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Volume IV No.
9 Tuesday 22nd August, 1967 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) OFFICIAL REPORT FOURTH SESSION OF THE SECOND PARLIAMENT OF MALAYSIA CONTENTS ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 1865] BILLS PRESENTED [Col. 1898] MOTIONS: The Finance Act, 1967, and the Turnover Tax Act, 1965—{Exemption of the Sarawak Shell Oilfield Ltd from Turnover Tax) [Col. 1899] The Parliament (Members' Remuneration) Act, 1960— Recission of Resolution on Amendment to Schedule [Col. 1900] The Parliament (Members' Remuneration) Act, 1960 (Amendment to Schedule) [Col. 1904] BILLS: The Padi Cultivators (Control of Rent and Security of Tenure) Bill [Col. 1907] The Minor Offences (Malaysia) (Amendment) Bill [Col. 1968] ADJOURNMENT SPEECH: Immigration [Col. 1972] DI-CHETAK DI-IABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, A .
M .

N ., PENCHETAK KERAJAAN KUALA LUMPUR 1968 MALAYSIA DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) Official Report Fourth Session of the Second Dewan Ra'ayat Tuesday, 22nd August, 1967 The House met at Ten o'clock a.m.

PRESENT: „ The Honourable Mr speaker, DATO' CHIK MOHAMED YUSUF BIN SHEIKH ABDUL RAHMAN, S.P.M.P., J.P., Dato' Bendahara, Perak.

the Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs, Y.T.M.

TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M.

(Kuala Kedah).
(Kuala Kedah).

the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence, Minister of Home Affairs and Minister of National and Rural Develop ment, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N.

(Pekan).

the Minister of Finance, TUN TAN SIEW SIN, S.S.M., J.P. (Melaka Tengah).

the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, TUN V. T. SAMBANTHAN, S.S.M., P.M.N.

(Sungai Siput).

the Minister of Transport, TAN SRI HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N.

(Pontian Utara).
(Pontian Utara).

the Minister of Education, TUAN MOHAMED KHIR JOHARI (Kedah Tengah).

the Minister of Health, TUAN BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah).

the Minister for Welfare Services, TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT A LI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang).

the Minister for Local Government and Housing, TUAN KHAW KAI-BOH, P J .

K. (Ulu Selangor).

the Minister for Sarawak Affairs, TAN SRI TEMENGGONG JUGAH ANAK BARIENG, P.M.N., P.D.K.

(Sarawak).
(Sarawak).

the Minister of Labour, TUAN V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., PJ.K.

(Klang).

the Minister of Information and Broadcasting and Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, TUAN SENU BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Kubang Pasu Barat).

the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, TUAN HAJI MOHD.

GHAZALI BIN HAH JAWI (Ulu Perak).

the Minister of Lands and Mines and Minister of Justice, TUAN HAJI ABDUL-RAHMAN BIN YA'KUB (Sarawak).
„ 1859 22 AUGUST 1967 1860 The Honourable the Assistant Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ABDUL KADIR, J.M.N., S.M.T., P J .

K. (Trengganu Tengah).

the Assistant Minister of Education, TUAN LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N., PJ.K.

(Sepang).

the Assistant Minister of Finance, DR NG KAM POH, J.P. (Teluk Anson).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health, TUAN IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN, J.M.N.

(Seberang Tengah).
(Seberang Tengah).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Labour, TUAN LEE SAN CHOON, K.M.N.

(Segamat Selatan).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance, TUAN A LI BIN HAJI AHMAD (Pontian Selatan).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Deputy Prime Minister, TUAN CHEN WING SUM (Damansara).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, TUAN THOMAS KANA, K.M.N.

(Sarawak).

TUAN ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N.

(Melaka Utara).
(Melaka Utara).

TUAN ABDUL KARIM BIN ABU, A.M.N.

(Melaka Selatan).

WAN ABDUL KADIR BIN ISMAIL, P.P.T.

(Kuala Trengganu Utara).

TUAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB, P J .

K. (Kuantan).

WAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN DATU TUANKU BUJANG, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN HAJI ABDUL RASHID BIN HAJI JAIS (Sabah).

DATO' ABDULLAH BIN ABDULRAHMAN, S.M.T., Dato' Bijaya di-Raja (Kuala Trengganu Selatan).

TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD.

SALLEH, A.M.N., S.MJ., P.I.S.

(Segamat Utara).


TUAN HAJI ABU BAKAR BIN HAMZAH, J.P. (Bachok).

TUAN AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N.

(Muar Utara).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SA'AID.

J.P. (Seberang Utara).

PUAN AJIBAH BINTI ABOL (Sarawak).

O.K.K.

DATU ALIUDDIN BIN DATU HARUN, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

DR AWANG BIN HASSAN, S.MJ.

(Muar Selatan).

TUAN AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam).

TUAN JONATHAN BANGAU ANAK RENANG, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

PENGARAH BANYANG ANAK JANTING, P.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N.


(Kluang Selatan).

TUAN CHAN SIANG SUN, P J .

K. (Bentong).

TUAN CHEW BIOW CHUON, J.P. (Bruas).

TUAN CHIA CHIN SHIN, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN FRANCIS CHIA NYUK TONG (Sabah).

TUAN D. A. DAGO ANAK RANDAN alias DAGOK ANAK RANDEN, A.M.N.

(Sarawak).

TUAN C. V. DEVAN NAIR (Bungsar).

TUAN EDWIN ANAK TANGKUN (Sarawak).

1861 22 AUGUST 1967 1862 The Honourable DATIN HAJJAH FATIMAH BINTI HAJI ABDUL MAJID (Johor Bahru Timor).

TAN SRI FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N.


(Jitra-Padang Terap).

TUAN S. FAZUL RAHMAN, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

DATU GANIE GILONG, P.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).

TUAN GANING BIN JANGKAT (Sabah).

TUAN GEH CHONG KEAT, K.M.N.

(Penang Utara).

TUAN HAMZAH BIN DATO' ABU SAMAH (Raub).

TUAN HAJI HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N., P J .

K. (Kapar).

TUAN HANAFI BIN MOHD.

YUNUS, A.M.N., J.P. (Kulim Utara).

TUAN HANAFIAH BIN HUSSAIN, A.M.N.

(Jerai).

TUAN HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N., J.P. (Baling).

WAN HASSAN BIN WAN DAUD (Tumpat).


TUAN STANLEY HO NGUN KHIU, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

DATO' HAJI HUSSEIN BIN MOHD.

NOORDIN, D.P.M.P., A.M.N., PJ.K.

(Parit).

TUAN HUSSEIN BIN SULAIMAN (Ulu Kelantan).

TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN, S.M.K., J.P. (Kota Bharu Hulu).

TUAN IKHWAN ZAINI, K.M.N.

(Sarawak).

TUAN ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan).

PENGHULU JINGGUT ANAK ATTAN, K.M.N., Q.M.C, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN KADAM ANAK KIAI (Sarawak).

TUAN KAM WOON WAH, J.P. (Sitiawan).


TUAN KHOO PENG LOONG (Sarawak).

TUAN EDMUND LANGGU ANAK SAGA (Sarawak).

TUAN L EE SECK FUN, K.M.N.

(Tanjong Malim).

TUAN AMADEUS MATHEW LEONG, A.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).

TUAN LIM PEE HUNG, PJ.K.

(Alor Star).

TtfAN T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.M.N., J.P. (Port Dickson).

TUAN C. JOHN ONDU MAJAKIL (Sabah).

DATO' DR HAJI MEGAT KHAS, D.P.M.P., J.P., P J .

K. (Kuala Kangsar).

TUAN MOHD.

ARIF SALLEH, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

DATO' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAH MUDA, S.P.M.K.

(Pasir Puteh).
(Pasir Puteh).

TUAN MOHD.

DAUD BIN ABDUL SAMAD (Besut).

TUAN MOHAMED IDRIS BIN MATSIL, J.M.N., PJ.K., J.P. (Jelebu-Jempol).

TUAN MOHD.

TAHIR BIN ABDUL MAJID, S.M.S., P J .

K. (Kuala Langat).

TUAN MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N.

(Temerloh).

TUAN MOHD.

ZAHIR BIN HAJI ISMAIL, J.M.N.

(Sungai Patani).

1863 22 AUGUST 1967 1864 The Honourable WAN MOKHTAR BIN AHMAD (Kemaman).

TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan).

TUAN MUHAMMAD FAKHRUDDIN BIN HAJI ABDULLAH (Pasir Mas Hilir).
TUAN HAJI MUHAMMAD SU'AUT BIN HAJI MUHD.

TAHIR, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

DATO' HAH MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI ABDUL JABAR, D.P.M.S., A.M.N., J.P. (Sabak Bernam).

TUAN MUSTAPHA BIN AHMAD (Tanah Merah).

TAN SRI NIK AHMAD KAMIL, D.K., S.P.MJK., S.J.M.K., P.M.N., P.Y.G.P., Dato' Sri Setia Raja (Kota Bharu Hilir).

TUAN NG FAH YAM (Batu Gajah).

TUAN ONG KEE HUI (Sarawak).

TUAN HAJI OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Hilir Perak).

TUAN OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Perlis Utara).

TUAN HAJI RAHMAT BIN HAJI DAUD, A.M.N.


(Johor Bahru Barat).

TUAN RAMLI BIN OMAR (Krian Darat).

TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD.

SAID, PJ.K., J.P. (Rembau-Tampin).

RAJA ROME BIN RAJA MA'AMOR, P.J.K., J.P. (Kuala Selangor).

TUAN SANDOM ANAK NYUAK (Sarawak).

TUAN SEAH TENG NGIAB, P.I.S.

(Muar Pantai).

TUAN D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh).

TUAN SIM BOON LIANG, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN SIOW LOONG HIN, PJ.K.

(Seremban Barat).

TUAN SENAWI BIN ISMAIL, PJ.K.

(Seberang Selatan).

TUAN SNG CHIN JOO (Sarawak).


TUAN SOH AH TECK (Batu Pahat).

TUAN SULEIMAN BIN ALI (Dungun).

TUAN SULEIMAN BIN HAJI TAIB (Krian Laut).

PENGIRAN TAHIR PETRA (Sabah).

TUAN TAJUDIN BIN ALI, PJ.K.

(Larut Utara).

TUAN TAI KUAN YANG, A.M.N.

(Kulim-Bandar Bharu).

TUAN TAMA WENG TINGGANG WAN (Sarawak).

DR TAN CHEE KHOON (Batu).

TUAN TAN CHENG BEE, A.M.N., J.P. (Bagan).

TUAN TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka).

TUAN TAN TOH HONG (Bukit Bintang).

TUAN TAN TSAK YU (Sarawak).


TUAN TIAH ENG BEE (Kluang Utara).

TUAN STEPHEN YONG KUET TZE (Sarawak).

TENGKU ZAID BIN TENGKU AHMAD (Pasir Mas Hulu).

TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD.

TAIB, PJ.K.

(Langat).

1865 22 AUGUST 1967 1866 The Honourable the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN, ABSENT: J.P. (Larut Selatan).

the Assistant Minister without Portfolio, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara).
the Assistant Minister of National and Rural Development, TUAN SULAIMAN BIN BULON, P J .

K. (Bagan Datoh).

TUAN ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSSIN (Lipis).

Y.A.M.

TUNKU ABDULLAH IBNI AL-MARHUM TUANKU ABDUL RAHMAN, P.P.T.

(Rawang).

TUAN CHAN SEONG YOON (Setapak).

TUAN CHIN FOON (Ulu Kinta).

TUAN SYED ESA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.M.L, P.I.S.

(Batu Pahat Dalam).

TUN DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, S.S.M., P.M.N.

(Johor Timor).

TAN SRI SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, P.M.N.

(Johor Tenggara).
(Johor Tenggara).

DATO' LING BENG SIEW, P.N.B.S.

(Sarawak).

DR LIM CHONG EU (Tanjong).

TUAN LIM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat).

TUAN PETER LO SU Y IN (Sabah).

DR MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMAD (Kota Star Selatan).

TUAN JOSEPH DAVID MANJAJI (Sabah).

ORANG TUA MOHAMMAD DARA BIN LANGPAD (Sabah).

TUN MUSTAPHA BIN DATU HARUN, S.M.N., P.D.K.

(Sabah).

TUAN QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Timor).

DATO' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM, D.P.M.P., P.M.P., J.P. (Menglembu).

TUAN TOH THEAM HOCK (Kampar).

TUAN YEH PAO TZE (Sabah).


PRAYERS (Mr Speaker in the Chair) ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS CITIZENS UNDER DETENTION AS POLITICAL DETAINEES TO VOTE IN NEXT ELECTION 1.

Tuan Ong Kee Hui (Sarawak) asks the Prime Minister to clarify whether citizens in Sarawak who are in deten tion as political detainees or in pro tective custody have the right to vote in the next election, and if so, to state where they would be allowed to vote.
The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, the same regulation as is applicable to those detainees and those in protective custody in the States of Western Malaysia will apply to those in Eastern Malaysia.

In short, it means that those detainees, or those in protective cus tody, if they are registered in any par ticular constituency, will be allowed to vote.
Tuan Ong Kee Hui: Would the Honourable Prime Minister clarify whether it would be in the constituency where they were registered or in the constituency where they are kept?

1867 22 AUGUST 1967 1868 The Prime Minister: Where they are registered.

I think the voting will have to be done by post.


Tuan Stephen Yong Kuet Tze (Sara wak): Mr Speaker, Sir, in view of the fact that some of the detainees were detained before registration had in fact taken place, I would like to know whether or not now they could be allowed to register at the place where they were ordinarily resident before they were detained?

The Prime Minister: That I cannot answer, but I will let the Honourable Member have my answer in due course.
REPRESENTATIONS ON DELIMI TATION OF STATE AND PAR LIAMENTARY CONSTITUENCIES IN SARAWAK 2.

Tuan Ong Kee Hui asks the Prime Minister to state: (a) whether the Election Commission representations would consider made by the people of Sarawak on the delimitation of State and Parliamentary Constituencies in Sarawak, and if so, when; (b) whether consideration of such representations would delay the forthcoming general elections in Sarawak.
The Prime Minister: In the course of the Election Commission's work, they had quite a number of representations from various bodies, associations, and so on.

From the report which I had looked into, these representations were attended to, considered, and answered.

I think from what I could see, every attention was given, every details was taken into account, before the answer was made.
Whether they rejected or they accepted representations these made by these people, they had given very, very detailed answers.

As to whether, according to the Honourable Member's question, such representa tions would have the effect of delaying the forthcoming general elections in Sarawak, I can say that it would not delay the forthcoming general elections in Sarawak, because the elections are some time yet to come and the report at the moment is in the hands of the Cabinet Committee.
After the Cabinet Committee has gone through the report it will have its considered opinion.

So, I can assure the Honourable Member that the elections in Sarawak will not be delayed at all.

Tuan Stephen Yang Kuet Tze: Mr Speaker, Sir, would the Honourable Prime Minister clarify the fact as to whether he is aware that so far we have put in our representations, but no answer or no reply has been given to our representations?
The Prime Minister: Perhaps, some of that the associations and bodies made the representations had not been given a reply, but it is contained in this the Election Commission report of which will be laid before this House in due course—I think during this session of Parliament.

SALARIES COMMISSION REPORT IV OFFICERS- ON DIVISION RELEASE OF the 3.
Tuan Sim Boon Liang asks the to state when Prime Minister Salaries Commission Report on Divi sion IV Officers will be published and why the publication has been delayed.

The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Government has received a report from the Royal Commission on the Revision of Salaries.

As I have in formed this House yesterday, this has been attended to by the Staff and the Official sides and after they have had some consultation, this report will then be released.
MEMINTA TENTERA NEGARA2 COMMONWEALTH BUKAN SA- HAJA AUSTRALIA BERKHID- MAT DI-MALAYSIA 4.
Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah (Bachok) bertanya kepada Perdana Menteri: (a) ada-kah Kerajaan akan menim- bukan sahaja bang meminta juga negara2 Australia Commonwealth yang lain saperti tetapi 1869 22 AUGUST 1967 1870 Pakistan dan India supaya tentera mereka berkhidmat di-Malaysia berikutan dengan pengundoran tentera2 British dari negeri ini; (b) sa-takat ini apa-kah usaha2 yang di-buat untok menjayakan per- sidangan lima negara yang di- chadangkan itu.
Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, berkenaan dengan menjaga keselamatan negeri ini, negeri2 yang berkaitan ia-lah Britain, Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia dan Singapura.

India Jadi, Pakistan dan tidak berkait.

Tambahan pula Pakistan ber- kait dalam SEATO dan India tidak masok mana2 satu.

Jadi, saya tidak nampak sebab yang patut mereka di- jemput masok champor tangan dalam hal ini.

tersebut Bagaimana yang kita tahu.

negeri2 itu ada hal masing2 yang sendiri.


Tetapi saya perchaya jikalau terjadi apa2 perkara yang besar, tidak dapat tidak sunggoh pun mereka tidak berkait di-dalam hal Perjanjian Perta- hanan dengan kita ini, mereka tentu- lah akan mengambil insaf di-atas apa2 yang akan berlaku di-dalam negeri kita ini.

Bagi soalan (b), sa-takat ini apa-kah usaha yang di-buat untok menjayakan Persidangan Pertahanan lima negara.
Bagaimana saya telah ma'alumkan kapada Rumah ia-itu saya akan mengambil tindakan untok menjemput negeri2 itu bersidang dengan kita dalam peringkat Menteri2.

ini kelmarin, Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Ada-kah benar berita yang di-siar dalam sa-buah akhbar di-luar negeri bahawa ketika Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku membuat lawatan-nya baharu2 ini ada berita2 di-Pakistan menawarkan bantuan yang sa-macham itu dengan sa-chara tidak rasmi lagi.
Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, yang itu saya tidak dengar, tetapi jikalau ada perasaan insaf yang sa-umpama itu.

terima kaseh-lah (Note: Oral Question No.

5 withdrawn) LETTERS WRITTEN TO GOVERNMENT DEPART MENTS—LANGUAGE 6.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon (under Standing Order 24 (2) asks the Prime Minister to state: (a) whether he could give an expla nation as to what is meant by the statement of the Attorney-General that from the 1st September, 1967, all letters written by commercial firms and individuals to Govern ment be returned or ignored"; departments "will to accept (b) to what extent Government is letters of prepared technical and in English after 1st September, 1967; (c) whether this restriction on the use legal matters of English applies to: (i) letters from foreign firms to our Government; (ii) matters of significance or relevance.
international The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, under Clause 2 of the Language Act, the Honourable Member will remember that it is stated that Malay shall be used for official purposes; and so if English is to be used special permis sion under Clause 4 would have to be obtained from His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong, and it is intended that this Order under Clause 4 will be made before the 1st September, so that English can be used for many purposes.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, can we have an assurance from the Honourable Prime Minister that this change-over, in the spirit in which we debated the Bill, should be a gradual one so as not to cause any dislocation in Government business.

The Prime Minister: That is, Mr Speaker, Sir, my personal desire, and I hope I will be able to carry the country with me.

RACIAL DISCRIMINATION IN INDONESIA 7.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon [under Standing Order 24 (2)1 asks the Prime Minister to state: (a) what is the Government's position with regard to racial discrimina tion in Indonesia; 1871 22 AUGUST 1967 1872 (b) whether the this differs Government's position relating to racial discrimination in South Africa.
from The Prime Minister: The question here is irrelevant in so far as we are it affects what concerned, because happens in another country which is not, I might say, on diplomatic rela tions with us; and as far as I know this is not quite the same position as that obtainable in South Africa under the apartheid policy.
This is as I under stand it, an action taken against those Communists who are out to wreck the Constitution of the country and try by the subversive means Government of Indonesia, and so this is not quite a question of apartheid.

It is a question of how best that country can deal with those elements who have gone all out to try and destroy it.

to overthrow FORMATION OF ASEAN 8.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Foreign Affairs to state: the (a) what progress has been made in the formation of a new regional organisation comprising Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, the Philip pines and Indonesia; (b) whether before such organisation is formed for Malaysia to secure regional co operation with Singapore.
is necessary it The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister had made a long reply in this House on this new organisation which the Honourable Member heard yesterday, and I could add no more to it.

How ever, I could say something on the second question, "whether before such organisation is formed it is necessary to secure regional co for Malaysia operation with Singapore".
I do not think we have any quarrel with Singa pore intention—inten tionally quarrel—because we have worked very closely with Singapore in many, many matters.

I do not think there is any big difference between us and Singapore.

Therefore, there is no need for us to seek any regional co operation with Singapore, or make any bi-lateral agreement with Singapore.
if that is his On the other hand, if we find it neces sary to do so, we can always have an agreement or understanding with Singa pore, but there is at the moment no need for it.

that is he aware Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, I think this House and the country must be very glad of this assurance from the Honourable Prime Minister.

But the words that he says in this House are totally the from his deeds and different deeds of his Ministers outside this House.
To quote but a few examples, Mr Speaker, Sir, this question of restricted passport does not affect the Honourable gentlemen sitting opposite me.

They just walk into Singapore, but those of us on this side and outside of that privileged group, we have to carry this wretched, restricted passport.
Is the Honourable Prime Minister aware that everywhere the world over, travel arrangements are made so that people can easily walk into and out of the country—but with our closest neigh bour we have to carry this wretched, restricted passport.

Will the Honour able Prime Minister relieve the citizens of this country by making arrange ments with Singapore to do away with this incongruous and wretched, restric ted passport.
The Prime Minister: This is entirely another question, but if he has to look for the fault of what is happening that is not quite to his liking, he has got to look to the other side as well.

How ever, if he wants me to answer this question I would like to have notice.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not think that that is an entirely different matter, but I will leave it as it is.
Mr Speaker, Sir, in the regional co-operation ingredients of between the two countries, one of the most important things is a common customs area which is very important on the common survival of this country and Singapore.

Will the Honourable Prime Minister give an assurance to this House that he and his ministerial colleagues will start off by trying to seek a common customs area with Singapore, so that industries can survive on both sides of the Causeway.
1873 22 AUGUST 1967 1874 The Prime Minister: That is another matter entirely irrelevant to the ques tion before this House, and as I said, I need a little bit of time to think over what he has said.

the new to defence communique Tuan C. V. Devan Nair: With regard to the progress made—the formation of organisation regional (ASEAN)—why was it necessary, Sir, for our Government to agree in the any joint to make reference the bases that would be temporary or otherwise?
Would it not have been better in the interest of this country to have cate gorically told everyone present there that whatever defence arrangements Malaysia makes would have relevance and bearing insofar as the preservation of our territorial integrity and security is concerned?

Would not it have been better, Sir, to have pointed out that this new organisation was intended primarily for economic co-operation and has nothing whatsoever to do with defence?
Unfortunately, this reference to defence was in this joint communique.

Sir, the permission of The Deputy Prime Minister (Tun Haji Abdul Razak): Mr Speaker, Sir, the Prime with Minister, I would like to reply to this question.
As the Honourable Member would have noticed from the Declara tion made in Bangkok, this regional co-operation which we call ASEAN is primarily for economic co-operation, but we included matters of defence because, quite naturally, matters of defence, security, would come into our time to time.
There discussion from was no harm we thought of mentioning matters of security because all these matters are inter-related, and as we said in this regional co operation is primarily for economic, social and cultural co-operation.

the declaration MALAYSIAN HIGH COMMISSION, LONDON 9.
Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Foreign Affairs: (1) to give the list of the staff em ployed by the Malaysian High Commission in London; (2) whether he is aware of numerous that complaints by Malaysians none of the responsible officials of the High Commission were available for assistance, some times for as long as several days, when they required assistance or advice from the Commission; and instruct all foreign service personnel that one of their primary duties is to make themselves available to Malaysian citizens residing in or travelling in the region to which they are accredited, losing instead themselves and becoming incom municado in cocktail circuits.
(3) whether he would of The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, I have a list of officials in our High Commission in London.
It is a rather long list, and I am quite happy to pass it on to the Honourable Member so that he can have a study of this list However, I can tell him that as far as we know these officials of ours have given a lot of time to those travellers and tourists, who go to England from time to time, and they number many hundreds, and it is not easy for the High Commissioner's staff to be at their posts for 24 hours in a day just to be at the beck and call of these people.
So, unless they get previous notice that these people are coming and they want help, it cannot be expected of the to officials of the High Commission remain at their posts to look after them.
On the other hand, there are always officials at their home, or in the office, who are always available, and if the Honourable Member can let me have a specific instance of any act of discourtesy on the part of our officials, or any instances where they are not available during reasonable hours of office, I will certainly attend to it.

Tuan C. V. Devan Nair: Mr Speaker, Sir, I shall certainly be glad to give the Honourable Prime Minister particulars of the specific complaints that I have received.
But Mr Speaker, Sir, what I would like to ask the Prime Minister is, whether he these complaints of lack of attention and of service to Malaysian citizens by the High Commission do not relate to lack is aware that 1875 22 AUGUST 1967 1876 of service after office hours but during normal office hours.
There is a case of a citizen who went for assistance during normal working hours, and he was asked to go to the basement next to the W.C. to see some attendant to see whether the attendant could possi bly help him; but even the attendant could not tell him exactly where the Passport Officers of the Malaysian High Commission were.

I shall pass on this, Sir, but I ask for an assurance that the Government would act upon this.
The Prime Minister: You could do that, but with regard to the going down next to the lavatory (Laughter), it so happens is next-door to the lavatory (Laughter).

that our Passport Office MASA YANG SA-ORANG ASING TINGGAL DI-SARAWAK UNTOK MENJADI WARGANEGARA SARA WAK 10.

Tuan Tama Weng Tinggang Wan (Sarawak) bertanya kapada Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri berapa lama sa-sengkat-nya tempoh masa yang yang di-kehendaki bagi sa-saorang asing tinggal di-Sarawak sa-belum ia layak menjadi warganegara Sarawak.
The Deputy Prime Minister (Tun Haji Abdul Razak): Tuan Yang di- Pertua, sa-bagaimana Ahli2 Yang Ber- hormat sedia mengetahui ia-itu Sarawak ada-lah sa-buah negeri dalam Malaysia dan yang demikian ada mempunyai kewarganegaraan-nya sen- diri ia-itu tidak ada "Citizenship of Sarawak", hanya-lah kita ada satu sahaja citizenship, ia-itu Citizenship of Malaysia.
tidak-lah Sa-saorang pendudok negeri Sarawak yang di-peranakkan di-luar Malaysia jika berhajat memohon menjadi warga negara Malaysia hendak-lah mempu nyai masa mastautin atau resident qualification di-Sarawak saperti ber- ikut: (1) Bagi sa-saorang yang biasa-nya bermastautin, atau ordinary resi dent, hari Malaysia boleh memohon di- bawah Fasal 16A dalam Per lembagaan yang berkehendakkan di-Sarawak pada masa mastautin sa-belum Hari Malaysia dalam Sarawak dan sa-lepas Hari Malaysia dalam Persekutuan sa-lama masa tidak kurang daripada 7 tahun dalam tempoh 10 tahun terdahulu dan permintaan-nya hingga dan termasok 12 bulan terdahulu daripada dan hingga tarikh itu; dan tarikh (2) Bagi sa-saorang yang tidak biasa- nya bermastautin (not ordinary resident) di-Sarawak pada Hari Malaysia boleh memohon men jadi warganegara Malaysia, tetapi hendak-lah membuat permintaan di-bawah Perkara atau Fasal 19 dalam Perlembagaan yang ber kehendakkan masa resident dalam Persekutuan sa-lama tidak kurang daripada 10 tahun daripada 12 terdahulu daripada dan tahun hingga tarikh permintaan dan termasok 12 bulan terdahulu dan hingga tarikh itu.
asing orang Tuan Tama Weng Tinggang Wan: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan tambahan.

Banyak-lah di-dalam Sarawak, banyak juga orang yang ber- parti, parti dia S.U.P.P., dia kuat-lah tudohan orang asing.

Jikalau dia sa-belah Parti Per- ikatan, dia ada berhak; ini-lah saya menerangkan di-Dewan ini (Ketawa).
sa-belah jikalau Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pehak Kerajaan tidak mem- bedza2kan ra'ayat negeri ini sama ada daripada berbagai2 parti, asalkan sa- sharat2 yang saorang di-tentukan dalam fasal Perlembagaan, ia-itu Fasal 16A dan 19A, mereka itu boleh-lah di-terima menjadi warga negara.
itu menepati Tuan Ong Kee Hui: Mr Speaker, Sir, is the Honourable Minister aware that there are a large number of Kayans and Kenyahs in the Belaga District who have settled down in Sarawak soon after the last war, and these people are now not recognised as Malaysian citi recent National zens and, the Registration, they were given Red Cards instead of Blue Cards.
Could something be done to regularise this feel position, because they are not rather aggrieved these people that in II 1877 22 AUG UST 1967 1878 accepted although residents for more than 20 years?
as citizens of Malaysia, they have been ordinary Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Obviously, if they apply to become citizens under Article 16A or Article 19 of the Consti tution, as I have explained just now, we will certainly consider their appli cation, but because they were not born in this country, they must apply for citizenship under the provisions of our Constitution.
Tuan Ong Kee Hui: Mr Speaker, Sir, is the Honourable Minister aware that the process of applying for citizenship normally is a long and tedious pro cess; and in the case of such people it is a very difficult matter, especially when hundreds of people are involved?

Could something be done to expedite this particular exercise?

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Sir, the process is not ordinarily very long, but in view of the circumstances explained by the Honourable Member, I will look into the matter.
Perhaps a special case could be made out to help these people to obtain citizenship.

PERIOD OF RESIDENCE IN SABAH AND SARAWAK TO QUALIFY FOR MALAYSIAN CITIZENSHIP 11.
Tuan Tan Tsak Yu (Sarawak) asks the Minister of Home Affairs to state, in view of the fact that any person residing in Sabah, who has been granted a permanent residence for a period of two years, will be eligible for citizen ship application, whereas in Sarawak for such person will have another seven years two before he is eligible for citizenship, whether he will consider abolishing this discrimination between the East Malaysia States.
to wait instead of Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Mr Speaker, Sir, it is not true that any person after residing permanently in Sabah for a period of two years will be eligible for citizenship application.

Article 16A which applies to both Sabah and Sarawak requires, among other things, that an applicant must have an aggre than seven years gate of not less includes residence in the ten years immediately preceding the date of the application and which the 12 months immediately preceding that date.
This applies to people, who are ordinary residents in Sabah and Sarawak on Malaysia Day.

With regard to immigrant labourers who had been in Sabah on work passes and in Sarawak on valid visit passes endorsed for employment issued before Malaysia Day, they are granted per manent stay after five years residence in either State and their residence on work passes or visit passes endorsed for employment would count towards the qualifying period required to obtain citizenship up to a maximum of five years.
This means that an immigrant labourer on a work pass in Sabah, or on a valid visit pass in Sarawak endorsed for employment issued before Malaysia Day after having stayed in Sabah or Sarawak five years requires only another two years' stay in order to complete seven years resi required under dential qualification Article 16A.

There is, therefore, no between discrimination whatsoever Sabah and Sarawak with regard to residential qualification or requirement for purposes of citizenship application.
for Tuan C. John Ondu Majakil (Sabah): In view of the fact that a person who has resided in Sabah, or Sarawak, for a period of two years out of five years has been granted permanent residence, the Honourable Minister aware is that the former editor-in-chief of a certain local newspaper in Sabah, after than seven residing years, long enough to qualify him to become a permanent citizen, was expelled without disclosing any reason either by the Federal Government?
there for more the State or Tun Haji Abdul Razak: correctly, I remember this particular person was on a work permit in Sabah, and his work permit was withdrawn by the State Government of Sabah.

If PROTECTION FOR SURREN DERED PERSONS IN SARAWAK the 12.
Tuan Tan Tsak Yu asks Minister of Home Affairs to state, in 1879 22 AUGUST 1967 1880 the killings committed view of in Sarikei District of Sarawak Third Division in April this year, whether adequate protection or rehabilitation those persons is being provided for who were terrorism or in communism, but who have now sur to Government and deter rendered mined to live a new life.
involved Tun Haji Abdul Razak: It is not possible to provide a 24-hour protec tion to all persons who were involved in terrorism or communism activities and had surrendered to Government with a view of turning over a new leaf.

If this were done, then the Police force would be tied down to providing just static guard duty almost all the time.
But the Police would, however, do everything possible within their means to protect the life of a person who had reasonable should have surrendered grounds to believe that their lives are in danger or threatened.

PEJABAT2 IMIGERESEN DAN KASTAM, CHANGLON Pejabat2 Imigeresen 13.
Tan Sri Fatimah binti Haji Hashim bertanya kapada Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri ada-kah Kerajaan sedar dan bahawa Kastam di-pekan Changlon enam batu jauh-nya dari sempadan Negeri Thai telah memudahkan penyeludupan di- lakukan di-sempadan itu dan telah juga menyebabkan kesulitan2 kapada pen- dudok2 kawasan Changlon membawa biji dan anak getah untok di-tanam di-kebun mereka, dan jika sedar, ada- kah Kerajaan berchadang memindah- kan pejabat2 itu ka-satu tempat yang berhampiran dengan sempadan.
ada-lah Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang sedar di-Pertua, Kerajaan bahawa Pejabat2 Imigeresen dan Kas tam berada di-pekan Changlon kira2 5| batu jauh-nya daripada sempadan negeri Thai.

Ada-lah di-persetujukan untok mendirikan Pejabat2 Imigeresen dan Kastam di-Changlon ini, kerana ia-lah sa-buah pekari yang berdekatan dengan sa-buah sempadan dan juga ada kemudahan2 rumah, kedai2, sekolah dan juga bekalan2 ayer dan sa-bagai- nya.
Chadangan hendak memindahkan Pejabat Kastam ini kapada Bukit Kayu Hitam kira2 tiga sa-tengah batu jauh- nya daripada sempadan, tetapi cha dangan ini tidak dapat di-laksanakan, kerana kawasan ini kawasan hitam dan di-kawasan itu ada penyakit2 demam tidak kura, malaria.

Jadi, di-fikirkan munasabah-lah hendak di-tempatkan pegawai2 di-situ, sunggoh pun bagitu Pegawai2 Imigeresen dan Kastam selalu pergi melawat ka-sempadan untok hendak menchegah penyeludup2.
ini kita biasa-nya Saya suka terangkan bahawa penye ludup2 dari luar hendak masok ka- negara tidak mengikuti jalan yang tertentu.

Mereka jalan2 dalam itu boleh masok dari hutan dan juga tidak melalui jalan raya.

Jadi, dengan pindahan Pejabat Imige resen berdekatan dengan sempadan tidak-lah akan me- ngurangkan penyeludup2 ini.
Yang mustahak-nya ia-lah Pegawai2 Kastam dan juga Imigeresen sentiasa melawat ka-sempadan dan ini ada-lah di-jalan- kan. ka-tempat yang CONTROL OF REMITTANCES BY MALAYSIANS TO DEPENDANTS OVERSEAS 14.

Dato' Haji Mustapha bin Haji Abdul Jabar (Sabak Bernam) asks the Minister of Finance to state whether Government introduce intends control or impose a tax for the purpose of control, the remittance by Malay sians to their dependants overseas.
to to The Minister of Finance (Tun Tan Siew Sin): Mr Speaker, Sir, at present remittances by Malaysians their dependants in the Sterling Area are not subject to exchange control.

In fact, all financial transactions with countries in the Sterling Area are not subject to control.

Remittances by Malaysians to their dependants in countries outside the Sterling Area require the prior per mission of Exchange Control.

Permis the amount sion involved is reasonable.


The Govern ment can see no reason for introducing exchange control or imposing a tax on remittances either to countries in the Sterling Area or to those outside the Area.

is given provided 1881 22 AUGUST 1967 1882 FEDERAL REVENUE AND IN SARA EXPENDITURE WAK—(1964-1966) 15.
Tuan Chia Chin Shin (Sarawak) [under Standing Order 24 (2)] asks the Minister of Finance to state: (a) the amount of Federal revenue collected annually in Sarawak; (b) the amount of Federal expendi ture expended in Sarawak annu ally from 1964 to 1966.

Tun Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, (a) Federal from Sarawak for the years 1964, 1965 and to $58 million, $69 1966 amounted million and $78 million respectively.
revenue collected categories, (b) The Federal Government's ordi nary or current expenditure in the State of Sarawak may be placed into two distinct firstly, expenses directly incurred by Federal Depart ments and, secondly, expenditure in the form of such as statutory grants escalating and balancing grants.

For the year 1964, total recurrent expenditure amounted to $77 million of which statutory allocations from the Federal Government accounted for $18 million.
In 1965 and 1966 the total had risen to $87 million and to approximately $102 million respectively; actual figures for 1966 cannot be provided yet since the accounts have not been closed.

Statutory allocations included in these two totals amounted to $21 million for 1965 and $27 million for 1966.
It should be noted, however, that Federal expenditure on common user services like defence, foreign affairs and Parlia ment are not included in the figures just given, since the cost of such services cannot be easily apportioned on a regional or State basis.

DEVELOPMENT EXPENDITURE IN SARAWAK (FEDERAL AND STATE) FROM 1964 TO 1966 to state 16.
Tuan Chia Chin Shin [under Standing Order 24 (2)] asks the Minister of Finance the amount of development expenditure expended in Sarawak annually from 1964 to 1966 and of this how much were from the the State Governments Federal and respectively.

in Tun Tan Siew Sin: The Federal Government and the State Government of Sarawak between them spent a total of $49 million on development projects in the State in 1964.
The financing of this expenditure was borne mainly by the Federal Government, whose share came to $37 million or 75.5%.

The Federal Government spent this $37 million in three ways: in the form of direct expenditure, in the form of grants the State for State development to projects, which qualified for Federal reimbursement, and the form of loans.

The State Government, therefore, financed only $12 million or 24.5% of the total cost during 1964.
In 1965, total development expenditure rose to $65 million with the Federal Govern ment meeting a greater proportion of the cost, viz.

$56 million or 86% was the met from Federal funds, while State Government financed only $9 million, i.e.

less than what is spent in 1964.

In 1966, a total of $60 million was increasingly greater proportion of the financing was borne by the Federal Government, which met $55 million or 92% of the cost.
The figures given for each of the years 1964 to 1966 do not, however, include expenditure on such items as defence and Police, since the cost of these services on a regional basis cannot be easily determined.

incurred, but an EXAMINATION OF FINANCIAL POSITION OF STATE GOVERN MENTS IN MALAYSIA 17.
Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah asks the Minister of Finance to state whether the Central Government intends to examine the financial situa tion of each State Government in Malaysia in order to provide a more equitable distribution of money between these States from the Central Govern ment.
three officials of Tun Tan Siew Sin: A Committee the consisting of Federal Treasury and the State Finan cial Officers of Kedah, Pahang and Sarawak was appointed by the National Finance Council to examine the financial position of the State Governments in West Malaysia, and in the light of such examination in May, 1965 1883 22 AUGUST 1967 1884 to recommend measures to improve the finances of the States, having regard to the effects of such measures on the financial the Federal Government.
position of The Committee submitted its Interim Report to the National Finance Council at its meeting on 19th April, 1966.

The recommendations of the Committee were accepted by the Council and some of these have since been implemented by the majority of the States, such as increasing land rents, irrigation rates, water charges and fees for the exploita tion of forest produce.
Other recom mendations Interim Report the pertaining to the revision of existing legislation on various fees, which are assigned the States, are being pursued.

to in The financial position of the various States in constantly being reviewed by the Treasury particularly in relation to their applications for grants from the State Reserve Fund.
Information and details on sources of revenue available to the States are being examined and the types of expenditure, both recurrent and capital, are being analysed for the consideration of the Committee, which is expected to submit its final report to the National Finance Council in the near future.
Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-kah Yang Berhormat Menteri Kewangan sedar bahawa kedudokan kewangan Kerajaan Negeri hingga sampai masa sekarang ini maseh juga di-dalam keadaan yang tidak memuaskan hati walau pun Com mittee itu telah membuat recommenda- tion2-nya dan telah di-terima oleh Kerajaan Pusat dan sa-tengah daripada recommendation2 ini telah di-jalankan dan perkara terang, kerana kita tahu satu kenyataan yang telah di-keluarkan oleh bekas Menteri Besar, Johor, dahulu, bahawasa di- dalam kenyataan-nya yang telah di- gambarkan bahawa Kerajaan Negeri Johor sa-olah2 sa-bagai sa-orang bujang yang kaya telah berkahwin dengan Kerajaan Pusat ia-itu suami-nya yang penghisap darah.
Ini satu kenyataan tolak kerana yang kita tiap2 Kerajaan kedudokan kewangan Negeri sangat-lah menyedehkan.

tidak dapat sangat-lah ini juga Baharu2 ini Duli Yang Maha Mulia Sultan Perlis sa-belum bertolak ka- Amerika satu telah membuat kenyataan bahawa kedudokan kewa ngan negeri Perlis sangat-lah menyedeh kan hingga sampai bayaran gaji bagi kaki-tangan Kerajaan pun sangat-lah susah, sebab itu-lah keluar-nya chada- ngan saya supaya di-adakan finance commissions.
Mr Speaker: Saya suka hendak tahu itu tambahan tentang mana soalan (Ketawa).

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Ada-kah Yang Berhormat Menteri sedar di-atas kedudokan Kewangan kewangan yang pinchang ini bagi Kerajaan2 Negeri.

Tun Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker Sir, I think the Honourable Member who has spoken last should be the last person to talk about "hisap darah", because the State from which he comes, I think, will not be able to exist but for the assistance of the Federal Government (Applause).
Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Soalan tambahan.

Ada-kah Yang Ber hormat Menteri Kewangan sedar bahawa 90 peratus daripada pendapatan kewangan negeri Kelantan, bahkan dari pada Kerajaan2 Negeri dalam Malaysia ini, di-ambil oleh Kerajaan Pusat, maka sebab itu-lah keadaan kewangan Kera jaan Negeri tidak sehat.

Itu sebab yang di-katakan Kerajaan Pusat itu penghisap darah.

Tun Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker Sir, I think he has got his economics and figures all wrong.
Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Soalan benar tambahan.

Ada-kah bahawa ada beberapa buah negeri yang terlalu rumit, keadaan kewangan-nya maka Kerajaan Pusat sa-bagai bapa yang mempunyai hati yang belas kasehan telah memberi bantuan kapada negeri2 itu?

Jika benar tolong sebutkan negeri2 yang telah di-kasehanikan itu.

Mr Speaker: Itu soal timbul daripada soal ini-kah atau soalan lain?
Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Soalan daripada kerumitan kewangan ini dalam hendak membuat penyiasatan 1885 22 AUGUST 1967 1886 kedudokan kewangan Negeri.

Jadi, ada- kah badan itu di-tubohkan kerana ada Negeri2 yang terlalu rumit kewangan- nya, dan dengan demikian sudah pun di-bantu oleh Kerajaan Pusat kapada Negeri2 itu.

Jika ya, tolong sebutkan Negeri2 itu.


Tun Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I think the Honourable Member will agree that his own State in particular will find it very difficult to carry on without the assistance of the Federal Government and even in the case of his State, I think, we have given them a fair deal.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, I think the Honourable the Minister of Finance is begging the point.
The plain question asked by the Member for Bachok was, is the Honourable Minister aware of any financial aid from the Central Government the State Government; if so, can he enumerate whatever financial aid that has been given?

It is a very simple question.

It has nothing to do with Kelantan.

to Tun Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker Sir, that is an entirely different question of which I will require sufficient notice.

The Speaker: Yes, that is what I thought.


AMOUNTS OF DEBT ON ACCOUNT OF DEVELOP MENT PROGRAMMES 18.

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: asks the Minister of Finance to state: (a) the actual amount of debt incur red by Government to finance development programmes; (b) the interest payable on the debt; and (c) when the debt is expected to be settled.

ferred from the Treasury Bills Account to the Development Fund have been used for development.
The transfer of the $300 million from the Treasury Bills Account was made with the consent of this House.

to For particulars of the public debt as at the end of 1965, may I refer the Honourable Member the Budget Estimates for 1967 (pages iv and v).

From the "Statement on Public Debt the and Sinking Fund Investments" Honourable Member will note that the present includes debts incurred since 1935, i.e.

since the days of the Federated Malay States.


outstanding debt in 1966 and (b) The interest payable on the debt for development programmes was $118 million is estimated reach $132 million.

Details of the payment of interest for 1967 are to be found in the 1967 Budget Estimates under Sub-Head C. 13. for 1967 to in that from the debt for himself (c) As the Honourable Member can the Budget see Estimates, each loan incurred by the Government has a definite repayment date.
Based on is presently outstanding, the last payment will be made in 1990.

More loans will be made the future which will stretch beyond 1990, and the process will go on forever.

It is worth noting that in any progressive economy, the public debt will never be settled at any one time.

Public debt is not merely a source of public finance, it is also an instrument of monetary policy.
Even its though an economy has reached optimum there might be a continuing need for the Government to borrow to regulate the level of money supply with a view to checking inflation or otherwise.

in order internally level, Tun Tan Siew Sin: (a) The total public debt outstanding as at 31st July, 1967, was $3,201 million.

Of this total, $2,898 million have been incurred to finance development programmes.
All foreign loans raised have been used for development purposes; in regard to the domestic debt, only medium and long term loans plus the $300 million trans Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: tam Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan terima kaseh bahan.

Saya uchapkan kapada angka2 yang di-beri itu, tetapi yang saya tertarek-nya ia-lah berkenaan di-belanjakan dengan hutang yang untok kemajuan, ia-itu development.
Soalan tambahan saya bagini: ada-kah berpuas Yang Berhormat Menteri 1887 22 AUGUST 1967 1888 hati bahawa wang yang di-hutang itu betul2 di-belanjakan kapada perojek2 tidak- yang productive; yang kedua, kah pehak Kerajaan terfikir bahawa masa membayar hutang sampai tahun 1990 itu atau pun yang lebeh daripada itu satu chara membebankan 1990, kapada parti2 lain apabila dia meme- rentah Kerajaan sa-sudah Perikatan kalah?

Tun Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, the answer to the first question is in the affirmative.
In regard to the second question, as I have tried to explain to the Honourable Member in my original reply, no progressive country as far as I know, has ever been able to settle its public debt.

It is not so much the quantum of the debt, but the purposes for which the debt is used that is important.
Further, the test of whether a country is able to afford a particular quantum of public debt must be related to its economy, or rather the growth of the economy is sufficiently rapid to permit the servicing of such a debt then, I sug gest, there is no undue cause for worry.

its economy.

If the size of saya bukan Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan tamba- han.

Soalan saya nampak-nya belum berjawab.
Soalan satu perkara yang luchu, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, yang saya bertanya bagini: saya bersetuju dengan Menteri bahawa satu negeri yang progresib macham negeri kita ini patut berhutang dan memandang kapada sumbar2 ekonomi kita, tetapi hutang yang sa-banyak ini apabila di-lakukan oleh sa-buah Kera jaan yang Kerajaan ini tentu-lah dia tahu bagaimana sumbar2-nya hendak membayar sebab rahsia2-nya di-tangan Kerajaan yang ada sekarang; tetapi itu jatoh dan naik jikalau Kerajaan Kerajaan yang lain tentu-lah Kerajaan yang lain itu menghadapi satu masa- alah; dengan demikian bukan sahaja Kerajaan yang baharu itu susah, tetapi negara sendiri membayar hutang-nya yang susah.
Point ini yang tidak di- jawab-nya.

Tun Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, the I sincerely hope Alliance were not to return to power, if ever that the party which succeeds it will take over the liabilities and obligations of the Federal Government.

There should be no question of that.

But, of course, the Honourable Member may be having idle dreams (Laughter).
Anyway, apart from that, I think we are talking at think, cross purpose because, I the Honourable Member, to my mind, appears to compare the position of a country with that of an individual.

As I have said before, it is not so much the quantum of debt which matters as the ratio of the quantum to the size of the economy.

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan tambahan yang terakhir.
Dapat-kah pehak Kera jaan memberi jaminan bahawa kalau Kerajaan lain naik, Yang Berhormat Menteri2 yang ada sekarang ini sang- pegawai gup berkhidmat (Ketawa) untok menolong Kerajaan baharu ini membayar hutang itu?

sa-bagai the Honourable Member Tun Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, is think I asking for the moon, if he expects those of us on this side of the House to serve on a P.M.I.P.

Government (Laughter).

VISITS OF STATE ASSEMBLYMEN TO FAR EASTERN CAPITALS- EXPENDITURE 19.
Tuan C. V. Devan Nair (Bungsar) asks the Minister of Finance whether regular trips by State Assemblymen to Far Eastern capitals is a necessary Government expenditure, and whether he would consider using his consider influence on State able persuasive Governments not to waste public money in this fashion, especially when the country at large is being asked to tighten belts and practise economic stringency.
Tun Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I think the Honourable Member will agree that what is relevant is not so much the overseas trip itself but the purpose of such a trip.

Secondly, each State Government financially autonomous body, and so long as it does not come to the Federal Govern ment for financial assistance, the latter is a 1889 22 AUGUST 1967 1890 is in no position to control the expen diture of such a State.
Where Federal assistance is sought, however, I can assure the Honourable Member that, the Federal in such circumstances, Government will insist that such a State must exercise the utmost restraint the and practise due economy expenditure of public funds.
All the same, however, the Central Govern ment has strongly advised all State to exercise the utmost Governments restraint in the matter of public expen diture, and in particular to eliminate all non-essential expenditure, in view of the serious financial situation which is at present facing the country.
in Tuan C. V. Devan Nair: Sir, if such advice had been given by the Central Government to the State Governments requesting them to exercise the utmost restraint, would the Minister say that the State Governments have, in fact, respected this advice by sending State Assemblymen on these trips to very exotic Far Eastern capitals?

Tun Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not think it is possible for me to give a general reply to such a general question.
I, myself, have read of those particular trips, but I must say I am not quite sure what the purposes of these trips are, as I can only rely on newspaper reports.

EXPENDITURE ON STRUCTURAL INTERNA REPAIRS-SUBANG TIONAL AIRPORT 20.

Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam (Ipoh) asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications to state total of money spent by Government on struc tural repairs to the Subang Interna tional Airport for 1966 and 1967.
The Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications (Tun V. T. Sam- banthan): Mr Speaker, Sir, there were no structural repairs carried out to the Subang International Airport in 1966 or 1967.

The only repairs done were minor repairs to the concrete aprons and floors and walls, replacement and re-laying of rubber strips at the road way edge of concourse floor, replace ment of perspects sheeting to skylight junctions, and re-fixing of metal cover joints.
These strips over expansion amounted to $1,447.16 in 1966 and $3,204.20 up to June this year.

SHORTAGE OF TELEPHONE LINES IN MUKAH TOWN AND INSTALLATION OF AUTOMA TIC EXCHANGE FOR MUKAH, DALAT OYA AND BALINGIAN 21.
Tuan Sim Boon Liang (Sarawak) asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications to state: (a) whether he is aware of the shortage of telephone lines in if Mukah Town, so, and whether he would consider increasing the lines to meet the public's demand; (b) when an automatic exchange will be for Mukah, installed Dalat Oya and Balingian.

Tun V. T. Sambanthan: Mr Speaker, Sir, Mukah Exchange, has 50 lines, which are fully subscribed.
At the moment, there are only two applica tions outstanding for telephone service.

It is hoped to alter the exchange to its automatic working and capacity during the current Malaysia Plan.

Along with Mukah, is proposed the manual convert exchanges at Dalat and Balingian to the same automatic working during period.

Oya the moment to be uneconomic, and no plans are in hand for conversion to automatic exchange.
is considered at increase to it Tuan Sim Boon Liang: Mr Speaker, Sir, I remember that the Honourable Minister did reply to my question in this House in 1965 that the automatic exchange would be installed in Mukah between 1966 and 1967, and Dalat between 1967 and 1968, but so far nothing has been done yet in these places.

Will the Honourable Minister stick to this promise?

Tun V. T. Sambanthan: There is no reason why it should not stick, because I have seen it in the First Malaysian Plan.
1891 22 AUGUST 1967 1892 CANCELLATION OF CARRIER LICENCES IN 1966 AND 1967 AND REINSTATEMENT 22.

Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam asks the Minister of Transport the number of Class "A", " B" and " C" carrier licences cancelled in 1966 and the these 1967 respectively and of number re that were subsequently instated and the reasons therefor.
to state The Minister of Transport (Tan Sri the Haji Sardon): Mr Speaker, Sir, number of Class "A", " B" and " C" carrier's licences cancelled in 1966 and 1967 are as follows: "A" 3 "B" 2 1966 "C" 23 Total 26 1967 (up to 30-6-67) "B" 7 "A" 6 The number reinstated—Nil.

"C" 48 Total 61 that was subsequently FORM VI CLASSES IN SARAWAK 23.
Tuan Sim Boon Liang asks the Minister of Education to state: (a) whether his Ministry would create more Form VI Classes in all in order Sarawak that suitably Form V qualified pupils (Grades I and II) would be given a place in Form VI Classes in 1968; and (b) whether he intends to start a Form VI Class in Mukah Three Rivers Secondary School in 1968.
The Minister of Education (Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari): Mr Speaker, Sir, the answer to (a) Yes, one addi tional Sixth Form Science class will be established in Sarawak in 1968.

The answer to (b)—No.

MALAYSIAN CERTIFICATE OF EDUCATION AND OVERSEAS SENIOR CAMBRIDGE EXAMIN ATION CERTIFICATE 24.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon Standing Order 24 Minister of Education to: (2)] asks [under the (a) explain his statement that he intended to solve the difference and between the Malaysian Certifi cate of Education the Senior Cambridge Overseas ad Examination by having vanced in taught English National Language medium schools as he seriously consi dered that the standard of the Malaysian Certificate of Educa tion is exactly the same as the Senior Cambridge Certificate; (b) state whether it is a fact that the Malaysian Certificate of Education and the Senior Cam bridge Certificate are exactly the same with the exception of English and if the standard of the former is lower than that of latter whether he would the increase the the standard of Malaysian Certificate of Educa tion.
Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Mr there is no difference Speaker, Sir, between two Certificates—Sijil the Pelajaran Malaysia (Malay Medium) the Overseas Senior Cambridge and Examination Certificate—except that most of the candidates who enter for the Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia (Malay Medium) Examination take the Lower English Paper in the same way as most candidates take the National Language Paper in the Malaysian Certificate of (English Education Examination the Malay Medium) Language.
instead of English Language is taught in all national schools (primary and secon dary) and it is expected that more and the more candidates will enter for English Language Paper in place of the Lower English in the near future, when the facilities for teaching English Language are improved.

UNIVERSITY COLLEGE IN PENANG the 25.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Education whether the projected University College in Penang has been considered by the Economic Planning Unit of the Prime Minister's Department, the Council of the Univer the Planning sity of Malaya and in Committee on Higher Education 1893 22 AUGUST 1967 1894 Malaya, and if not, why is it necessary for the foundation stone to be laid for this College before such considera tion is completed.
considered by Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Mr Speaker, Sir, the proposal to establish a University College in Penang has been the National Development Planning Committee, the Higher Education Planning Committee and the Cabinet.

For the information of the Honourable Member, a Working Committee has been set up to look into the detailed planning of the pro ject.

The membership of this Com representatives mittee also includes and from Senate.
the University Council is regarding Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Minister of Education aware that from time to time there have been pronouncements by one Mr Ramanathan the setting up of the University College, in particular, of starting classes?

I believe last year he thought he could start the classes this year.
I also believe that this year after the laying of the foundation stone, he has contradicted the Honourable Minister of Education by saying the that he hopes classes will be started next year.

Can the Honourable Minister of Education tell us what exactly is the position?

Will it be what he has enunciated in Penang, that the classes possibly will be started by 1970, or will the classes be started in 1968?
that Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Sir, I can tell the Honourable Member one thing, that no action will be taken in this matter until this Working Com mittee has fully gone into the various factors connected with the opening of the University College.
is Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Minister of Education aware that the Committee that he has set up with he himself as Chairman—and I am not trying to make any derogatory remarks about the Honourable Minister of Educa tion—is the most unsatisfactory one, in that you have, in what is essentially purely an academic matter, a politician sitting in charge of it, and a politician in the invited teachers who is very busy with this pergadohan with this country amongst his other numerous duties, settling UMNO strikes and the like?
Is the Honourable Minister of Educa tion aware that when the University of Malaya was set up in 1950, the then Sir colonial Government Alexander Carr-Saunders to this country to investigate the feasibility of setting up of an institution of higher education in Singapore?

the Honourable Is Minister of Education also aware that when it was decided to establish the Kuala Lumpur Division of the Univer sity of Malaya this was also then, looked into and carefully investigated by the academicians in Singapore?
Is the Honourable Minister also aware that when it was decided to establish the University of Malaya in Kuala Lumpur, again this matter was inves tigated for more than a year by the academic people?

How can he recon cile the careful planning that was done by this the academic people with hastily established Committee that is headed by himself?

Is he not aware that in giving it a political bias, it may well mean that we may establish a second-rate University College in Penang?
Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Mr Speaker, Sir, I acknowledge the fact that I have a lot of work to do, and for that reason I have made sure that the Vice-Chancellor was appointed the Deputy Chairman.

In my absence, he will be able to perform the work that is normally expected of the Chairman.

As regards the project itself, I do not think it is quite fair to compare the project in Penang with the project here in Kuala Lumpur.
When we started the University Division in Kuala Lumpur then, we had no experience whatsoever with University planning.

However, in the light of what we have undergone, when we established the Division in Kuala Lumpur, I think we can manage with this project our selves; but if at any time we do require the services of people from outside, I am sure this Committee will consider it.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Sir, I think the Minister has got me wrong.
I was not that we should trying to advocate 1895 22 AUGUST 1967 1896 that, bring people from outside to inves tigate into the feasibility of the estab lishment of the University College in Penang.

Like the Minister, I agree with him that there are people fully qualified the to do this job in Malaysia.
Is Honourable Minister aware in this Committee that he has established, there are two representatives of the Senate of the University of Malaya and two representatives of the Council of the University of Malaya?

But up to and including the 8th of this month, when the University Council met, there has been no formal notification from his Ministry the University of Malaya.
So, all this talk about Univer in sity's participation Penang is all so much hot air—by the Honourable Minister and also by the gentleman I have mentioned before in Penang, namely, Mr Rama- nathan.

in the project that to Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Sir, I never knew the Honourable Member is so pessimistic by nature!

in Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, I am not that pessimistic.
As one who has been associated with higher education this country for some years, what concerns me, and a large number of people who are interested in the academic standards is that a hastily established University College in Penang may well lead to lowering of standards there, which means that the University of its parent body, Malaya, will not recognise its degrees important, may and, what jeopardise internatio nally.
is more its recognition Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Sir, it is in order to ensure that there would be no hasty action that I have set up this Working Committee, and I think letters must have been sent already to to nominate the Council their representatives to the Working Committee.

them for Dr Tan Chee Khoon: One final question.


Will the Honourable Minister give an assurance to this House that no hasty action will be taken regarding the University the establishment of College the various facets of a University educa in Penang before all tion will be considered by this Com mittee and that Mr Ramanathan should be told to tune down or pipe down as regards establishing classes next year or the year after?

Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Well, I gladly give that assurance.
But as regards my asking Mr Ramanathan to pipe down, I do not think I should.

I think the Honourable Member for Batu will be the first to criticise me if I try to do that, because that is trying to prevent the freedom of speech from being practised by our countrymen.

{Question time is up and the follow ing are answers to Oral Questions Nos.

26 to 29) NUMBER OF FORM IV C L A S S E S- INCREASE 26.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Education to state whether he would increase the number of Form IV classes next year for all language streams in view of the fact that unless this is done, only five percent of the students sitting for L.C.E.

this year will find places in Form IV next year.


The Minister of Education (Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari): The number of Form IV places will depend on the performance of the candidates ap pearing for the Lower Certificate of Education/Sijil Rendah Pelajaran in November 1967.

It is not true to say that only five per cent of the students sitting for L.C.E.

this year will find places in Form IV next year.


Of the 86,432 candidates who will sit for the Examination, 40,204 places (representing 46.5% of the total number of candidates) would be availa ble required standards.

For the information of the Honourable Member, in the past only 38%-39% passed this Examination.

they achieve estimated the an if SECONDARY SCHOOL F E E S- INCREASE 27.
Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the increase Minister of Education what in secondary school fees the Govern ment plans to introduce next year, the total amount of additional revenue it expects this increase, and whether the increase in to collect or save by 1897 22 AUGUST 1967 1898 school fees could not have been avoided by slashing Government expen diture on non-essential projects.
Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: No decision has been made yet by the Government on the question of raising school fees in secondary schools.

SHORTAGE OF CEMENT IN SARAWAK, JULY, 1967 28.

Tuan Ong Kee Hui asks the Minister of Commerce and Industry to state whether he is aware that during July, 1967, cement was in very short if so what supply steps his Ministry intends to take to avoid a recurrence of such a shortage in future.
in Sarawak and The Minister of Commerce and Industry (Dr Lim Swee Aun): There was some shortage in the supply of cement in Sarawak during July, 1967.

This was due to a considerable reduc from in the import of cement tion China since April and May 1967 on account of shipping delays arising from the in Hong Kong.

Cement from China sources accounts for 73% of Sarawak's total import of this item.
trouble the To meet importers arranged for temporary shortage, Sarawak the purchase of cement from West Malay sia but on account of limited shipping schedules from Port Swetten- ham to the ports in Sarawak there was some delay in the arrival of cement.

the This temporary shortage would not have been felt if there was no increase in the demand for cement resulting from weather condition which permitted longer working hours in the construc tion business.
to charter vessels My Ministry understands that the importers in Sarawak have now made arrangements to ensure the regular supply of cement from Malaysia.

My Ministry will give to both every possible importers the in Sarawak and cement exporters in Malaysia to ensure adequate supply of cement.

So far there is no restriction and no duty on the import of cement into Sarawak.

assistance to TELEVISION IN SARAWAK the 29.


Dato' Ling Beng Siew asks Minister of Information and Broad casting to state when Government will implement the promise made by the Prime Minister when he visited Sarawak in July, 1966, that television stations would be set up in Sarawak soon.
The Minister of Information and Broadcasting (Tuan Senu bin Abdul Rahman): As I have already explained in this House on several occasions, the question of the setting up of television stations in East Malaysia has been receiving the uppermost attention of my Ministry.

However, in view of the financial position of Government at this moment, priority has to be given to economic projects first.
Once the position improves Government will definitely implement the extension of television services to East Malaysia.

BILLS PRESENTED THE MALAYSIAN COMBINED CADET FORCE BILL and Bill to provide for the establishment the Malaysian Combined Cadet of incidental for matters Force thereto; presented by the Parliamentary Secretary to the Deputy Prime Minister; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of the House.
THE SUPPLEMENTARY INCOME TAX BILL Bill to make provisions for the impo and recovery of sition, collection supplementary for tax and income incidental and related matters; pre sented by the Assistant Minister of Finance; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of the House.
THE INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS (AMENDMENT) BILL Bill to amend the Industrial Relations Act, 1967; presented by the Parlia mentary Secretary to the Minister of Labour; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of the House.

1899 22 AUGUST 1967 1900 Mr Speaker: The sitting is suspended for fifteen minutes.

Sitting suspended at 11.12 a.m.
Sitting resumed at 11.40 a.m. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) MOTIONS THE FINANCE ACT, 1967 AND THE TURNOVER TAX ACT, 1965 (Exemption of the Sarawak Shell Oilfield Ltd from Turnover Tax) The Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance (Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move, That this House pursuant to the provisions of section 4 of the Finance Act, 1967, and sub-section (2) of section 7 of the Turnover Tax Act, 1965, resolves the Third Schedule to the Act be amended in respect of turnover tax payable for the years 1965 and 1966 by inserting immediately after item 7 thereof the following: that "Sarawak Shell Oilfields Ltd, but only in respect of its undertakings under the Oil Mining Lease entered into between the Sarawak Government and the Company on the 23rd June, 1952."
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Lombong2 Minyak Shell Sarawak Berhad telah membuat perjanjian sewa dengan Kerajaan Sarawak pada 23hb Jun, 1952, di-mana Sharikat tersebut di-beri kebebasan, kuasa, dan keutamaan2 tersebut untok menchari dan meng- usahakan minyak di-sekitar kawasan yang di-sewa di-Sarawak.
Fasal 57 (1) jadual perjanjian sewa itu menyebutkan bahawa Lombong2 Minyak Shell Sarawak Berhad akan di-kechualikan dari sewa chukai sa-chara langsong sa-lain daripada chukai2 yang berjalan kuat-kuasa-nya tatkala surat sewa itu di-tandatangani.

Mengikut sekshen 76, Undang2 Malaysia No.

26/1963, semua hak, tanggongan dan perjanjian mengena'i apa2 hal yang dahulu-nya ada-lah tanggong-jawab Sarawak tetapi seka- rang menjadi tanggong-jawab Kerajaan Persekutuan.
Chukai turnover ada-lah tanggong-jawab Kerajaan Persekutuan.

Mengikut kuat-kuasa sekshen 76 Un dang2 Malaysia, maka perjanjian sewa antara Sarawak dengan Sharikat itu mengikat juga Kerajaan Pusat sa- panjang yang mengena'i chukai turn over dan hal2 lain yang menjadi tanggong-jawab Kerajaan Persekutuan.

Oleh itu Lombong2 Minyak Shell Sarawak Berhad hendak-lah di-kechu alikan daripada membayar chukai turnover mulai lhb Januari, 1965, tetapi hanya-lah sa-panjang mengikut perjanjian itu sahaja.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua saya memohon chadangan ini di-luluskan.

Tuan Thomas Kana: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya mohon menyokong.

Question put, and agreed to.
Resolved, That this House pursuant to the provisions of section 4 of the Finance Act, 1967, and sub-section (2) of section 7 of the Turnover Tax Act, 1965, resolves the Third Schedule to the Act be amended in respect of turnover tax payable for the years 1965 and 1966 by inserting immediately after item 7 thereof the following: that "Sarawak Shell Oilfields Ltd, but only in respect of its undertakings under the Oil Mining Lease entered the Sarawak Government and the Company on the 23rd June, 1952."
into between THE PARLIAMENT (MEMBERS' REMUNERATION) ACT, 1960— RESCISSION OF RESOLUTION ON AMENDMENT TO SCHEDULE The Assistant Minister of Finance (Dr Ng Kam Poh): Mr Speaker, Sir, on behalf of the Prime Minister I beg to move the following resolution: that the following resolution which was passed by the House during the sitting on the 22nd day of June, 1967, be rescinded: the House do resolve That "That the House pursuant to the provi the Parliament sions of section 4 of (Members' Remuneration) Act, 1960, resolves that the following amendments be made to the Schedule to that Act— For items 5 and 6 of the Schedule substitute the following— 5.
Travelling Allowance: Members (other than Ministers, Assistant Ministers, Parliamentary Secretaries and Political Secretaries) shall be paid a sum of one hundred and fifty dollars per mensem.

6.
6.

(1) Travel by Rail: Members who are Ministers, Assistant Ministers, Par liamentary Secretaries and Political 1901 22 AUGUST 1967 1902 Secretaries shall be supplied with two free railway passes (first class inclu the ding sleeper) one for use by Member and the other for use by the wife or husband of the Member or by any person accompanying the Member.

Other members shall be supplied with one free railway pass (first class inclu ding sleeper) for their own personal use.
(2) Travel by Sea or Air: Members may recover the expenses of any journeys made by sea or air for the purpose of attending meetings of the House or any Committee thereof."

Mr Speaker, Sir, Section 4 of the Parliament (Members' Remuneration) Act, 1960, provides that the Schedule to the Act may be amended by a resolution of both Houses of Parlia ment.

This means the motion passed by each House must be the same as the motion passed by the other House in order to amend the Schedule.
that that House amended At a sitting of this House on 22nd June, 1967, this House passed a reso lution to amend the Schedule to the Act.

The same resolution was moved in the Dewan Negara on 26th June, 1967, but the resolution and the resolution which was passed was not the same as the resolu tion passed by this House.

The effect of the amendment by the Dewan Negara and the resolution passed by the Dewan Ra'ayat is that the resolution cannot be said to have been passed by both the Houses of Parliament.
In the circum stances both resolutions have the become ineffective.

the slightly The Government has reconsidered this matter and has decided to move a new resolution which in substance differs resolution from already passed by this House and the resolution passed by the Dewan Negara.

It is, therefore, necessary to rescind the resolution which was passed on the 22nd June, 1967, so fresh resolution can be moved in this House.

The motion before the House now is therefore intended to rescind the reso lution.
that a Sir, I beg to move.

Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

for democracy Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, it is a matter for congratulation to this country at large that the Dewan Negara at long last has shown some backbone, at long last has a mind of its own, at long last has drummed up enough courage to be at variance with the Lower House.
In the past it was pathetic to see how the Dewan Negara had toed the line of the Lower House in passing all Bills from this House sent to it.

It is pathetic to see how the the debate on the speech made by Minister of Finance, which I think normally in this House takes about two weeks, sails through in less than one day in the Upper House.

It does not speak well this country if the Upper House acts as a rubber stamp the Lower House without considering very carefully all legislation sent to it.
I do hope that in the future the Upper House will look a little more critically at whatever Bills that the Lower House send to it.

This is so because as we know in this country the Upper House is packed with "Yes" men, is packed with poli tical failures who are kicked upstairs and is packed with political appointees for services outside this House.
In other countries where the Upper House is a fully elected House, for example, as in the United States or in Australia where the Senate is fully elected and where the Senators are more matured people, they are as powerful as the Lower House.
to in Having congratulated the Upper House on the courageous stand it has taken over this, what must be admitted as almost inconspicuous and innocuous Bill, I now wish to warn the Upper House that it should not get power- drunk and it should not take into its heads that it can delay legislation sent from the Lower House to it on any major than Mr Harold Wilson has warned the House of Lords that if it obstruct the Govern ment of the day in the United King dom, the Lower House will introduce legislation not only to curb the powers of the Upper House but possibly to do away with an anachronism like the Upper House.
Hence, I do hope, while I am glad that the Upper House is issue.

None other 1903 22 AUGUST 1967 1904 courageous enough to differ with the Lower House, that it will not take into to try and supersede the its head Lower House.

Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker Sir, I would like to reply to the Honourable Member for Batu on what he said about the Upper House.
Far from being a rubber stamp, the Honourable Members of the Upper House are people of some standing and if the Honourable Member for Batu has been in the Upper House, and I hope he has been, he would have listened to very, very interesting and cogent argu ments put forward by Members of the Upper House.
The reason why they were, shall we say, recalcitrant was that they wanted not only the President of the Senate as well as the Speaker of Parliament to be included, which I should think is right I think the Honourable Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker Sir, the Assistant Minister of Finance is getting the wrong end of the stick.

Where my speech is concerned, I congratulated the Upper House Mr Speaker: Well, let him finish his speech, as he did yours.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: In a sense both he and I agree that what the Upper House Mr Speaker: Let him finish.

Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker Sir, there is one point of difference between his argument and mine and that is where he calls them a rubber stamp and political failures.

I did not say so.

Mr Speaker Sir, the point where I said that they have been recalcitrant is that they wanted both the railway passes and in addition $150.

That, as you know, has not been passed by this Lower House.
However, I think they were quite correct to point out to the Lower House that the President of the Senate and also the Speaker of the House should be given these passes, and I quite agree with the Upper House in that respect.

But I do not play one side against the other, like praising the Upper House and saying that they have done a duty and that they have asserted their powers, and at the same time warning the Senate that they should not use these powers to curb the Lower House.
I would not do such a thing, but I will leave it to the good sense of the Upper House to do these things by themselves.

That is in reply to the Honourable Member for Batu.

Thank you.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That resolve the House do the following resolution which was passed by the House during the sitting on the 22nd day of June, 1967, be rescinded: that "That the House pursuant to the provi the Parliament sions of section 4 of (Members' Remuneration) Act, 1960, resolves that the following amendments be made to the Schedule to that Act— For items 5 and 6 of the Schedule substitute the following— 5.
Travelling Allowance: Members (other than Ministers, Assistant Ministers, Parliamentary Secretaries and Political Secretaries) shall be paid a sum of one hundred and fifty dollars per mensem.

6.
6.

(1) Travel by Rail: Members who are Ministers, Assistant Ministers, Par liamentary Secretaries and Political Secretaries shall be supplied with two free railway passes (first class inclu ding sleeper) one for use by the Member and the other for use by the wife or husband of the Member or by any person accompanying the Member.

Other members shall be supplied with one free railway pass (first class inclu ding sleeper) for their own personal use.
recover (2) Travel by Sea or Air: Members may the expenses of any journeys made by sea or air for the purpose of attending meetings of the House or any Committee thereof."

THE P A R L I A M E NT (MEMBERS' R E M U N E R A T I O N) ACT, 1960 ( A M E N D M E NT TO SCHEDULE) this Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker Sir, on behalf of the Prime Minister, I beg to move resolution.
T he House having rescinded the previous resolution to amend the Schedule to the Parliament (Members' Remuneration) Act, 1960, I now following beg resolution: to move the That the House pursuant to the provisions of section 4 of the Parliament (Members' 1905 22 AUGUST 1967 1906 Remuneration) Act, 1960, resolves that the following amendments be made the Schedule to that Act: to For items 5 and 6 of the Schedule sub stitute the following— than President of "5.
Travelling Allowance: Members (other the Senate, Speaker of the House of Representatives, Ministers, Assistant Ministers, Parlia mentary Secretaries and Political Secre taries) shall be paid a sum of one hundred and fifty dollars per mensem.

6.
6.

(1) Travel by Rail: Members who are President of the Senate, Speaker of the House of Representatives, Ministers, Assistant Ministers, Parliamentary Secre taries and Political Secretaries shall each be supplied with two free railway passes (first class including sleeper) one for use by the Member and the other for use by the wife or husband of the Member or by any other person accompanying the Member.
Other members shall be supplied with one free railway pass (first class including sleeper) for their own personal use.

(2) Travel by Sea or Air: Members may recover the expenses of any journeys made by sea or air for the purpose of attending meetings of the House or any Committee thereof."

Under Mr Speaker Sir, this new resolution differs very little from the resolution which was passed by the House on the 22nd June, 1967 and rescinded just now.

The difference is as follows.


the previous resolution the President of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives were to be given the same privilege as the Members of Parliament who are not holding any office in the Government and they were to get $150 travelling allowance and a railway pass for their own personal use in exchange for the second railway pass which they now have.
However, the Dewan Negara by its resolution has suggested that the President of the Senate and the Speaker of the House should be given the same privileges as the Ministers.

The Govern ment has considered this suggestion and has agreed to it.

This resolution before the House now provides that the Presi dent of the Senate and the Speaker would be given the same privileges as the Ministers.
They will not get the $150 travelling allowance but instead will each get two railway passes, one for his use and the other for the use of his wife or by any person accompanying him.

There is no other difference bet ween this resolution and the resolution previously passed by the House and rescinded just now.
I might mention, Mr. Speaker Sir, that the Dewan Negara has also in its resolution suggested that a railway pass be issued to each member in addition to the $150 travelling allowance for the use of his wife.

The Government cannot accept this proposal as this will increase Government expenditure.

It is to be noted that the Members are to be given $150 travelling allowance in addition to the privilege of claiming mileage allowance for actual transport expendi ture for attending meetings of this House.
It is, therefore, considered fair and the pass be that restricted to personal use only.

If the the Member wife concerned in his railway travel, the Member can surely pay from his own $150 travelling allowance.

to accompany reasonable is Sir, I beg to move.

Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That the House pursuant to the provision of section 4 of the Parliament (Members' Remuneration) Act, 1960, resolves that the following amendments be made the Schedule to that Act: to For items 5 and 6 of the Schedule sub stitute the following— than President of "5.
Travelling Allowance: Members (other the Senate, Speaker of the House of Representatives, Ministers, Assistant Ministers, Parlia mentary Secretaries and Political Secre taries) shall be paid a sum of one hundred and fifty dollars per mensem.

6.
6.

(1) Travel by Rail: Members who are President of the Senate, Speaker of the House of Representatives, Ministers, Assistant Ministers, Parliamentary Secre taries and Political Secretaries shall each be supplied with two free railway passes (first class including sleeper) one for use by the Member and the other for use by the wife or husband of the Member or by any other person accompanying the Member.
Other members shall be supplied with one free railway pass (first class including sleeper) for their own personal use.

(2) Travel by Sea or Air: Members may recover the expenses of any journeys made by sea or air for the purpose of attending meetings of the House or any Committee thereof."
1907 22 AUGUST 1967 1908 BILLS THE PADI CULTIVATORS (CONTROL OF RENT AND SECURITY OF TENURE) BILL Second Reading The Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Agriculture and Co-opera tives (Tuan Thomas Kana): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill entitled "The Padi Cultivators (Control of Rent and Security of Tenure) Act, 1967" be read a second time.

The Bill seeks to amend and re-enact the Padi Cultivators and Security of Tenure) Ordinance, No.

9 of 1955.
9 of 1955.

(Control of Rent The object of the Act is to control the level of rents in padi lands and to give security of tenure to padi cultiva tors.

This Act will have a great impact in all the padi growing areas, as 50 per cent of the padi farmers in the country rent a part or the whole of the padi land they cultivate.
It is estimated that there are 125,000 tenant padi farmers and over 90 per cent of them are in the five States of Kedah, Perlis, Kelantan, Pro vince Wellesley and Perak and further, padi growing is confined to only certain districts within each State.

The Padi Cultivators Ordinance of 1955 was ineffective and was largely ignored by most of the States, except in Kedah where some efforts were made to achieve effectiveness.
The other States either failed to apply the Ordi nance or failed to implement it although several States, in principle, set up the necessary administrative machinery such as Tenancy Committees, Attesting Offi cers, Registrars, etc.

investigate and study There are several reasons for the ineffectiveness of the 1955 Ordinance.
these, the To Malaysian Government requested the Ford Foundation to assist, and in 1964 a team of two experts, consisting of Messrs. E. D. Smith and P. R. Goethals, arrived in this country.

They examined the changes in legislation that will be required if the laws designed to provide rent control and security of tenure are to be effective.
The experts submitted their Report in 1965, and this has been thoroughly studied and examined at various levels, such as: (i) an "ad hoc" Committee compris of ing Senior Officers the Ministry of Lands and Mines, Ministry of National and Rural Development, Ministry of Agri culture and Co-operatives and the Economic Planning Unit of the Prime Minister's Department; (ii) all State Governments, who after studying the Report gave their views to the "ad hoc" Committee.
Consequently, in the light of these comments, the amendments that were necessary to the 1955 Ordinance were drawn up by the representatives of the principal padi producing States (Kedah, Kelantan and Perak), officials from the Ministry of Lands and Mines, Econo mic Planning Unit and the Ministry of Agriculture and Co-operatives.
The Draft Bill was further discussed from the legal and technical aspects with the State Governments of Perlis, two Kedah, Perak and Penang at separate meetings held at Alor Star and Ipoh.

Here, more refinements and the practical implementation of the Act were deliberated.

These meetings were called by the Office of the Peguam Negara for the purpose of finalising the Draft Bill.
This Draft Bill takes into considera tion the weaknesses of the 1955 Ordi nance and also the rapidly changing situation of padi cultivation this country that has taken place in the last twelve years.

in The Bill provides for the maximum rents on padi lands which are divided into three classes according to their productivity (Section 11—Second Sche dule).
The rents are to be paid in padi after the harvest and maximum rates as follows: Classification of land Class I Class II Class III Rent in Gantangs per acre 140 115 70 The State Authority may, with the concurrence of the Ministry of Agricul the ture and Co-operatives, amend 1909 22 AUGUST 1967 1910 above level and prescribe the maxi mum rents.

For lands that have been declared as double cropping padi areas, a further 30 per cent of this maximum rents will be imposed.
In this Bill, there is no provision for crop-sharing, that is, rents have to be paid in terms of a fixed quantity of padi and share renting will not be allowed.

This is a big change from the existing practice but is necessary if tenant farmers are to make the best use of the facilities their resources and provided by the Government.
Security of tenure is assured to all tenant padi farmers as all tenancy agreements are to be in writing in prescribed forms, (Section 3) and these agreements will not be for a period of less than three seasons (Years) (Section 6) and the tenant has the option to a renewal of his tenancy agreement (Sec tion 7).

The landlord will be commit ting an offence if he does not draw up a tenancy agreement, or have it regis- tered (Section 33).
The existing Ordi nance of 1955 made illegal any agree ment for more than one year but this is one of its weaknesses for no useful purpose is served in re-negotiating and re-registering agreements annually.
The extension of the minimum period to three seasons makes it less burdensome for landlords, tenants and administra tors and also induces better cultivation practices as farmers will apply ferti lizers and bring about other improve ments to the farm, for the beneficial effects of these may be up to three years.

Under the proposed Act, new posts of Enforcement Officers will be created by the Minister for Agriculture and Co-operatives (Section 15).
The respon sibility for investigating cases of non compliance, and the prosecution of these cases, will be with the Chief Enforcement Officer.

He will be respon sible to the State Government for the enforcement and the administration of the provisions of the Act.

A weakness of the 1955 Act was that there was no adequate enforcement machinery and this made it difficult or impossible for a public official to take the initiative in prosecuting cases of non-compliance.
The adjudication of landlord/tenant disputes will be by a Tenancy Com mittee of three persons, (Section 16) one of whom shall be a public officer who will be the Chairman.

The State Authority, instead of establishing and appointing a full Committee of three persons, may appoint a single Enquiry Officer who will have all the powers and perform all the duties of the Chair man.

The Chairman will have all the powers of a First Class Magistrate.
The decisions or orders of the Com mittee will be binding on all landlords and tenants and will be treated as the decision or order of a Magistrate.

is provision for appeal (Section 26) from any decision or order of a Committee.

The appeal will be to a Tribunal consisting of three persons appointed by the State Autho rity, one of whom shall be a public officer possessing professional legal qualifications and he shall be the presi dent of the Tribunal.
The decision of the Tribunal is final and shall not be called in question and be the subject of any proceedings in Court.

However, there tenure for maximum This proposed Act, in addition to rents and providing to tenants, states security of very precisely the responsibilities of landlords and tenants in relation to the (Section 9).

The tenancy agreement landlord will pay the quit rents, water rates, and other outgoings.

The tenant will bear all costs of cultivation and must also practise good husbandry.
Further, the tenant must not sub-let, lease or rent any part of the padi land held under agreement.

It was stated earlier that the condi tions under which padi is cultivated is changing very rapidly.

A definite effort is now being made to increase produc tion by the development of new techni ques.

One major change, is the possi bility of growing two crops of padi per year in the more important padi grow ing areas of the country in place of the traditional single crop.
The level of rent for the second crop is a compara tively new question and a very import ant one; if the rent is too high there 1911 22 AUGUST 1967 1912 is mainly investment will be no incentive for tenant farmers to cultivate the second crop; at the it is recognised same time although the that double cropping result of Government in irrigation and the landlord's contribu tion is practically nil, nevertheless, it is felt that the landlord should also have some share in the increased pro ductivity of the land.
In this proposed Act, the level of rent for the second crop of padi is fixed at 30 per cent of the maximum prescribed rent (Section 11); this will be fair to both the land lord and the tenant and at the same time encourage the resources of the tenant farmer.

the full use of Sir, I beg to move.

Dr Ng Kam Poh: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

the that landlords.
the that landlords.

In Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu): Mr Speaker, Sir, it has been evident a long time ago the Padi Cultivators (Control of Rent and Security of Tenure) Ordinance, 1955 has been in adequate and toothless, and since that time, and perhaps even before that time, the padi planters and cultivators in this country have been exploited, as in most cases, you all know, by, the previous absentee Parliament, then Socialist Front had brought up this matter time and again.
I myself in this Parliament have, as far back as 1964, brought to the attention of this House how padi plan ters have been exploited by absentee landlords and while the Ministry of Agriculture and Co-operatives may introduce double cropping, double cropping does not mean that the padi cultivators will enjoy a double income.

In fact, the benefits of the double crop ping has been negated by the rapacity of landlords.
As such, since it is better late than never, the Labour Party welcomes this Bill as an act in the right direction to improve the livelihood of the padi cultivators in this country.

the absentee Mr Speaker, Sir, the Government must not think that bringing this Bill to this House and getting it passed means that the problems of the cultivators in this country are over.
The Government the control of rent and knows that in in in the the tentacles of the Authority security of tenure forms part of the panorama of life of the padi cultivator, that he needs much more than control of rent and security of tenure for his land if he is to lead a meaningful life in this country and if he is to be free the absentee from landlords who exploit him to the full making use of the ineffectiveness of the Act of 1955.
The Government knows that it has to embark on a vast and bold scheme of land reforms if it is to to life more meaningful make the padi country.

cultivators this the Government has Here, again, moved to right direction to acquire land form and distribute it to the padi farmers- But the Government needs to open many more vacant areas of land for the land-hungry padi cultivators this country.

We all know that F.L.D.A.


caters only for 3% of the need for land in this country and, as such, the Minis try of Agriculture and Co-operatives in conjunction with the Ministry of Lands and Mines and also with the various State Governments, should see that many and more areas of land should be opened up for cultivation so as to assuage the need for land by the padi cultivators.
The Government should, and I believe the Ministers have time and again gone to Taiwan amongst other places to look at land reforms in that Island Republic.

Land reform and land exploitation of the peasants by absentee landlords is the bane of life amongst the peasants in Asia and very few Asian been countries successful break through in this question of land reform.
I believe Taiwan is about one of the very few examples where the Govern ment has been successful in passing out land to those who need land and to those who cultivate the land.

As such, I commend to the attention of the Minister of Agriculture and Co-opera tives that he should liaise with the Minister of Lands and Mines in order reforms to effect much needed in this country.
have a achieving land in Coupled with these land reforms to give land to the padi planter and to the cultivator in this country—because it is for an no use making him work 1913 22 AUGUST 1967 1914 facilities the need absentee landlord, what he needs is a plot of land, so that he can say, "This it"— is my land, I will look after for better credit and is marketing the to protect cultivators from exploitation.
Although various bodies have been established the cultivators are not to see that the FAMA exploited, for example, and that the credit facilities and marketing facilities are still not what they should be and there is need for the Ministry of Agriculture and Co-operatives to effect great changes in these two sectors, namely credit and marketing facilities, before the cultivators can enjoy the full fruits of their labour.
like, we all know the However, Mr Speaker, Sir, what is a little intriguing to me are two omis sions in this Act for the protection of padi cultivators.

One is, why confine it to padi cultivators alone?

Why should not this control of rent and security of tenure be extended to others who cultivate other crops as well?

This is a thing that I wish to commend to the attention of the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives.
The other thing is that this Bill states, and I shall read it: should to West Malaysia?

"Whereas it is expedient for the purpose of ensuring uniformity of law and policy to amend and re-enact the law relating to the control of rent and security of tenure of padi cultivators in West Malaysia."
this Bill be applied Why solely It seems rather incongruous to me why should the Parliamentary Secretary the Minister of Agriculture and Co-opera tives, who comes from Sarawak, not raise the voice on behalf of Sarawak.

Does the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives mean to tell us that in Sabah and Sarawak is no exploitation of the padi cultivators?

If there is, then this Act should apply to East Malaysia as well instead of confining it to West Malaysia alone.
there to Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish to touch on a few more points.

Clause 19 (1) lays down the procedure for application to the Committee, and it says: " .

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.. for the recovery of land comprised in a tenancy agreement, shall be in writing and shall be addressed to the Chairman."

Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, we all know that most of these padi cultivators are illiterate and the Government should try, as far as possible, to make the rules very easy for the padi cultivators.
Is there no possibility for such applica tions to be made verbally?

The other point is on Clause 20 (1).

It says: "On receipt of an application or reference the Chairman shall notify both parties in writing of the time and place at which the application or reference shall be heard."

Is there no time limit once such an application is made?
There should be a time limit, because otherwise it is in the interest of the landlord to drag things as long as possible in the hope that" the tenant will think, "Well, the landlord the Government and the Government is so big.

I can't try and tangle with the Government.

I better give in to what the landlord may say and do."

is part and parcel of Clause 24 (1) (c), Mr Speaker, Sir, talks about bad husbandry.
It says: "If the landlord satisfies the Committee that the tenant has been guilty of bad husbandry so as to cause damage to the land or to impair its value;" Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, nowhere in this Bill is bad husbandry defined.

Surely, on such an important clause as this wherein the tenancy of the land hangs, the Government should try and define what bad husbandry is, so that the tenant can have a case to answer, or knows what bad husbandry means.
It may be that the grass grows a little longer, say, by one inch and the land lord comes along and says, "Here, you are not taking good care of my land.

This is bad husbandry.

You better get out!"

And the poor tenant will think, "My God!

I have offended the law.

I better put something in the pocket of the landlord or I will get kicked out of his land."
I shall be very grateful if the Minister of Agriculture and Co operatives will try, at the later stage, to define what bad husbandry means, so as to see that this Clause is not abused by the landlord, and so as to prevent the tenant from being exploited despite the provisions of this Bill.
Now Clause 27, Mr Speaker, Sir, is a very complicated procedure, and 1915 22 AUGUST 1967 1916 again we are dealing with people who are mostly illiterate, who do not want to tangle either with the landlord, the Government or the law, and as such, the law should be easily understood to them and should be as simple as possible for the tenant-farmers to com ply with; otherwise the provisions of this Bill, good as they are, will be negated by the defeatist attitude that has sieved into the life, unfortunately, of the tenant-farmers in this country.
Now Mr Speaker, Sir, Clause 31 (1) says: "A party may be represented by a legal practitioner in any proceedings before the Tribunal."

Now, as you know, most of us have a morbid fear of legal practitioners in this country.

We try to stay clear of the law as much as possible, and this applies much more so to the tenant- farmers.
Is there no possibility of seeing that the landlord can easily engage a legal practitioner to represent him, the and Co Ministry of Agriculture operatives providing legal aid to these poor, illiterate, ignorant tenant-farmers, to see that they can get a square deal out of this Bill?

If this is not done, then I am afraid the whole essence of this Bill is all loaded against the tenant- farmer.
You frighten him with all sorts of rules, you say he must put it in writing, and then in Clause 31 you say he must be represented by a legal prac titioner.

How on earth is he to do so?

He lives up in the hulu.

He does not know where to get a lawyer—he pro bably has not heard of such a person as a lawyer.

How on earth is he to get a legal practitioner and, even if he knows, how can he afford to get a legal practitioner?
This is where, I think, although it may not be the intention of the Minister of Agriculture and Co operatives, he should see to it that the tenant-farmers, in cases of appeal, should have legal aid if it is required.
In conclusion, Mr Speaker, Sir, the success of this Bill does not depend on we in this House passing this Bill and going to sleep about it; we should see that it is implemented to the full, in the various kampongs up and down the country, not only in West Malaysia but in East Malaysia as well, and we should see that the farmers know the advantages and their rights under this Bill—and these should be simply and clearly explained to them, so that they can take full advantage of this Bill.
As anyone who has read this Bill knows, this Bill is loaded with agree ments—in the nature of complaints, with notices—with all sorts of bureau cratic procedures which frighten the tenant-farmer out of his wits and, as such, it should be made a little simpler, so that these procedures do not frighten the farmers, so as to enable them to take full advantage of the provisions of this Bill, so that they can lead a fuller and more meaningful life, free from the rapacity of the absentee land lords.
Dato' Abdullah bin Abdulrahman (Kuala Trengganu Selatan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun menyo- kong Rang Undang2 Penanaman Padi, Mengawal Sewa dan Menjamin Peme- gangan yang ada di-hadapan kita pada hari ini.

Saya sifatkan Rang Undang2 ini ada-lah satu lagi langkah, atau pun usaha Kerajaan Perikatan untok mem- bela nasib penanam2 padi dengan jalan menambahkan hasil pendapatan mereka tiap2 hari.
Kita tahu pada masa sekarang ini banyak penanam2 padi ada menjadi mangsa yang melampau kapada tuan2 yang empunya tanah padi yang sa-lama ini banyak tinggal di-rumah atau pun di-pekan2 dan tanah mereka di-kerja- kan oleh orang2 lain.

Ada-lah di-harapkan dengan ada-nya Bill ini maka kedudokan ekonomi pe nanam2 padi akan bertambah baik daripada masa2 yang lepas.
sa-luas2-nya kapada Saya suka menggesa kapada pehak Kerajaan supaya menghebohkan Bill pendudok2 ini kampong dan menerangkan dengan jelas isi kandongan Bill ini, supaya dengan jalan itu dapat-lah orang2 kam pong, penanam2 padi, mengambil ke- sempatan mendapat keuntongan dari pada Bill ini.
Saya juga sa-pendapat, atau pun ber- setuju dengan Yang Berhormat Ahli dari Batu supaya kalau boleh di-dalam 1917 22 AUGUST 1967 1918 masa yang lagi tidak berapa Kerajaan juga akan mengambil langkah membela kaum2 tani yang lain dan bukan sahaja terhad kapada penanam2 padi.
lama Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan sistem mempunyai tanah yang ada pada kita, yang ada di-dalam negara kita, pada masa sekarang ini di-mana sa-saorang yang kaya itu boleh memileki sampai beribu2 ekar tanah kalau mereka ter- daya beli, saya rasa patut sangat-lah undang2 yang saperti ini di-gubal lebeh banyak lagi dari satu masa ka-satu masa guna untok membela ekonomi pekerja2 yang ada di-atas tanah itu dan dengan jalan itu dapat-lah kita tolong memikir- kan jurang di-antara orang2 yang berada dengan orang2 yang tidak berada.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita semua tahu persaimbangan ekonomi sangat2 mustahak demi untok kepentingan ke- amanan dan kebaikan di-dalam negeri kita ini.

Satu perkara lagi, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya berharap pehak Kerajaan akan mengambil langkah yang tegas supaya di-dalam melaksanakan atau pun menguat-kuasakan Rang Undang2 ini nanti, sa-berapa boleh kita mesti mengelakkan daripada berlaku rasuah di-dalam perbicharaan mengenai tanah2 padi ini.
Juga, saya suka menarek per- hatian Yang Berhormat Menteri yang berkenaan, berkenaan satu dua sharat di-dalam undang2 ini yang saya rasa patut di-beri perhatian dan kalau sa- wajar-nya di-pinda kemudian hari atau pun sekarang ini juga.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berkenaan dengan Clause 4 (1) berbunyi: " .

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.. and shall be registered by the landlord within fourteen days of the date of execution thereof with the Registrar:" Di-sini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya rasa 14 hari untok mendaftarkan per- janjian itu ada-lah sangat singkat.

Saya chadangkan di-jadikan sa-bulan dan bukan 14 hari.

Saya buat chadangan ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ia-lah meman- dangkan ia-itu sa-tengah2 penanam padi itu jauh daripada Pejabat Tanah.

Sa-tengah-nya di-ulu2 yang mengambil masa 4-5 hari turun dengan sampan ka-bandar.
tinggal Saya ada mengambil perhatian ten- tang sharat (4) 2 yang mengatakan: "Notwithstanding the provisions of the preceding sub-section, the Registrar may extend the time for the registration of a tenancy agreement if he is satisfied that the failure to present it for registration within the period prescribed in the preceding sub section was not due to any default on the part of the landlord."
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kadang2 selalu sahaja berlaku kekeliruan atau pun kerumitan dengan perkara "Not due to any default".

Di-sini-lah saya kata sa- berapa boleh-nya kita hendak hindarkan sa-berapa banyak perkara rasuah di- dalam melaksanakan atau menguat- kuasakan Rang Undang2 ini.

Jadi, untok meringankan sadikit lagi beban kapada kedua2 landlord dan juga tenant, saya rasa patut-lah juga di-pinda daripada dua minggu tadi untok meregisterkan kapada tempoh sa-bulan.
Kemudian, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berkenaan dengan Clause (9) berbunyi macham ini: in "Notwithstanding anything contained any tenancy agreement such agreement shall be subject to the following implied condi tions"— Kemudian saya bacha Clause 9 (e).

Tuan Yang di-Pertua: "the tenant shall pay the rent due at the place of harvest within two weeks of the completion of the harvest;" Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya rasa dua minggu ini sangat-lah singkat masa-nya.
Sa-kali lagi saya juga mengshorkan tempoh itu di-panjangkan sampai sa- bulan bagi membayar sewa itu atau pun tuan yang membayar hasil kapada empunya tanah di-dalam masa sa-bulan sa-lepas daripada tempoh mengetam atau pun harvest.
Sebab-nya saya kemu- kakan shor ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ia-lah memandangkan sa-tengah2 tuan yang empunya tanah tadi tinggal di- dalam bandar dan tanah-nya pula ting gal beratus2 batu atau berpuloh2 batu jauh-nya daripada rumah tuan yang empunya tanah tadi dan ma'alum-lah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kadang2 untok petani2 tadi atau penanam2 padi tadi hendak membawa dengan banyak-nya hasil2 padi tadi bukan-nya senang pada masa sekarang ini, memandangkan yang 1919 22 AUGUST 1967 1920 kita maseh berkurangan jalan2 ka-ulu2 dan memandangkan kadang2 ada susah- nya bagi penanam2 padi ini mendapat- kan kenderaan baik melalui sungai atau pun jalan raya, maka saya rasa tempoh dua minggu ini patut sangat di-panjang- kan sa-hingga sa-bulan sa-kurang2-nya.
Fasal apa, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau tidak di-beri dalam masa dua minggu kalau hasil itu tidak di-beri kapada landlord atau tuan tanah oleh penanam2 padi tadi di-dalam masa dua minggu ini ada-lah menjadi satu hujjah atau sebab yang membolehkan tuan yang empunya tanah membatalkan perjanjian itu.

Ini yang kita bimbang.


Satu lagi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ia- lah berkenaan dengan Clause 12 yang berbunyi: "In the event of a general failure of the padi crop due to natural disaster within the State the Menteri Besar or .Chief Minister shall on the advice of the State Agricultural Officer declare in the Gazette defining the extent of the boundaries of the affected area and shall state the percentage of the reduction of the rent allowed to be paid by the tenant to the landlord."
the crop and failure of Saya nampak daripada clause ini Menteri Besar, atau pun Ketua Men teri ada-lah terikat kapada nasehat State Agricultural Officer, atau pun Pegawai Tanaman Negeri.

Saya rasa ada elok-nya kalau clause ini tidak mengikat pehak Menteri Besar, atau Chief Minister.
Dengan jalan di-pinda perkataan "shall" kapada "may" Menteri Besar, or Chief Minis ter may on the advice of the State Agricultural Officer declare the Gazette, kemudian yang satu lagi juga "shall" di-pinda kapada "may" yang berbunyi : in " .

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and the boundaries of the affected area and may state the percentage of the reduction of rent allowed to be paid by the tenant to the landlord."
Dengan jalan ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, daripada "shall" di-pinda kapada per kataan "may" maka pehak Kerajaan Negeri dan juga pehak Menteri Besar atau Ketua Menteri dapat mengguna- kan pertimbangan dan kuasa yang ada pada beliau sama ada patut atau tidak hendak di-ishtiharkan dalam Gazette saperti yang di-kehendaki di-dalam Clause 12 ini.
Jadi berma'ana tidak-lah sa-saorang pegawai rendah saperti State Agricultural Officer mengikat diri Men teri Besar yang menjadi Ketua di-dalam Kerajaan Negeri, atau Ketua Menteri— Chief Minister—yang ada di-dalam satu2 Negeri itu.

Saya rasa ini lebeh munasabah pada menggunakan per kataan "may".
Satu sebab lagi yang saya mengemu- kakan shor ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ia-lah kalau-lah nasehat yang di-beri oleh State Agricultural Officer tadi munasabah dan berpatutan tidak ada sebab Chief Minister, atau pun Menteri Besar tidak mahu mengikut.

Ini satu lagi ia-lah berkenaan dengan stamp, biasa-nya tiap2 perjanjian yang di-buat itu di-kehendaki stamp, baharu- lah boleh di-registerkan.
Saya rasa memandangkan yang banyak penanam2 padi kita maseh buta huruf, atau pun jahil dan juga memandangkan ia-itu banyak di-antara mereka2 ini sangat kechil pendapatan-nya—sangat miskin, maka saya rasa elok dan saya meng- gesa pehak Kerajaan mengechualikan perjanjian2 itu daripada di-kenakan stamp, sa-kurang2-nya buat sementara, di-Pertua.

Kemudian Tuan Yang dengan jalan itu baharu-lah mengurang- kan sadikit bebanan di-atas penanam2 padi ini.
Oleh kerana kita pun tahu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, hendak menyiap- kan, hendak mengisikan borang yang ada di-Schedule A dan hendak bawa pula borang itu ka-Pejabat Tanah di- registerkan memakan banyak juga belanja oleh penanam2 padi tadi, sa- kurang2-nya barangkali dia kena bayar kapada petition writer $3, $4 kalau tidak $10, $15 dan sa-lain daripada itu hendak pula mereka itu pergi daripada Mukim2 itu kapada Pejabat Tanah itu semua-nya kena belanja belaka.
Jadi kalau mereka di-paksa pula membayar tahu-lah kerana biasa-nya silap perjanjian yang sa-macham ini, jadi itu ada-lah satu bebanan yang besar kapada penanam padi.

Jadi buat sementara ini, saya shorkan supaya di-kechualikan buat sementara dari pada di-kenakan bayaran stamp di-atas perjanjian2 terima kaseh.

ini.
ini.

Sekian sahaja, stamp, saya $10 kalau tidak tidak L 1921 22 AUGUST 1967 1922 ini dan Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid (Sebe- rang Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun untok menyokong Rang Undang2 saya mengambil peluang menguchapkan sa-tinggi2 terima kaseh kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri dan Kerajaan yang telah pun menga- dakan Rang Undang2 ini sa-bagai ganti kapada Rang Undang2 No.

9/55.
9/55.

Saya telah beberapa kali mengemukakan ini dalam Dewan yang ber- perkara ini supaya dapat di-pinda bahagia Undang2 yang lama itu supaya sesuai dengan kedudokan pada masa sekarang ini.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya ingin menarek perhatian Yang Berhormat Menteri mengenai Fasal 6.

Di-sini ada di-sebutkan: "(1) Tiada-lah sa-saorang tuan-tanah boleh membuat sa-suatu perjanjian sewa sa-lama tempoh yang kurang daripada tiga musim berturutV tiga kali.
Kalau dia mulakan dengan padi biasa, yang kedua-nya padi luar musim, yang ketiga-nya padi biasa habis-lah tempoh perjanjian itu.

Kalau tidak silap saya dalam Undang2 Tanah Kebangsaan—National Land Code— ada menyebutkan satu sharat; saya chari Undang2 ini tidak jumpa, yang mengatakan tiap2 satu perjanjian bagi sewa tanah sa-kurang2-nya sa-kali buat perjanjian, mesti-lah sa-panjang tiga tahun.
Jadi, bagi pehak penanam2 padi, khas-nya orang yang menyewa tanah sawah di-tempat2 atau kawasan2 yang boleh buat dua kali sa-tahun, patut-lah di-ambil di-beri peluang kapada mereka itu membuat sawah sa-lama 6 musim, atau pun tiga tahun.

Bagi kawasan2 yang boleh buat sa-kali sahaja sa-tahun boleh-lah di- sebutkan tiga tahun.

Jadi dengan ini tuan2 akan memberi peluang kapada penyewa berusaha di-atas itu sa-lama tiga tahun, atau pun 6 musim.
perhatian supaya tanah Dan ta'rif musim pula, erti-nya tempoh mulai daripada masa menyediakan tanah untok menanam padi hingga-lah selesai padi di-tuai dan jika padi di- tanam dan di-tuai dua kali dalam masa 12 bulan, erti-nya tempoh mulai dari masa menyediakan tanah untok me nanam padi yang pertama hingga selesai tuaian kali yang kedua.
Jadi, di-sini saya ingin menarek perhatian kerana jikalau perjanjian itu di-sebut kan pada satu musim, ia-itu musim sa-tahun, biasa padi negeri bagi ada sa-luas lebeh daripada 30,000 ekar yang menanam padi dua kali sa-tahun.

Jadi padi yang biasa musim-nya ia-lah di-bagi sewa kapada penyewa2 tanah dan di-kenakan sewa itu sa- kuncha bagi satu relong, jadi relong di-Pulau Pinang ini besar sadikit dari pada ekar.

Dan padi luar musim di- kenakan sa-tengah kuncha bagi satu relong.
itu di-tanam Pinang Pulau tanah Jadi, saya harap-lah supaya Yang Berhormat Menteri mengambil per hatian di-atas perkara ini, yang meng- ikut sekshen 6 perjanjian sewa sa-lama tempoh yang kurang daripada 3 musim—musim erti-nya daripada mula tuai padi hingga-lah di-potong dia sa-kali buat per padi—berma'ana janjian, boleh-lah sa-orang itu menanam Mengenai perkara jadual yang ke ia-itu menetapkan had bayaran dua orang yang menyewa tanah kapada tuan tanah, ia-itu Kelas A yang di- sebutkan di-sini bagi satu2 ekar 140 gantang, buat luar musim sewa kalau di- sawah tambah 30% lagi daripada 140. di-benarkan jikalau Sa-kira-nya Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mengenai penetapan pembayaran sewa yang di- sebut jadual kedua ia-itu muka 23.
Kelas "A" 140 gantang satu ekar, kelas " B" 115 gantang dan kelas "C" 70 gantang.

sa-orang penyewa di-benarkan buat dua kali sa-tahun maka bagi yang permulaan- nya kena bayar 140 gantang.

Yang kedua tidak lebeh daripada 30% dari pada apa yang di-tetapkan dalam perjanjian itu, berma'ana pada satu tahun dia akan dapat 185 gantang satu tadi ekar.
Bagaimana saya sebutkan Pulau Pinang biasa-nya tanah beri sewa tanah untok sa-relong ia-itu satu suku ekar pada padi biasa 160 gantang bagi satu relong dan padi luar ia-itu 80 biasa gantang bagi sa-relong.

Jika di-sewa sa-tahun untok membuat dua kali, kena-lah penyewa itu bayar kapada tuan tanah sa-banyak 240 gantang bagi satu relong.

Jadi apa yang di-jalankan sa-tengah kuncha, tuan 1923 22 AUGUST 1967 1924 Ini saya di-sana untok luar musim tanaman ia-itu di-tetapkan 1/2 kuncha bagi luar musim.
Sa-balek-nya di-tetapkan di- sini chuma tak lebeh 30% daripada yang di-tetapkan.

ingin menarek perhatian Yang Berhormat Menteri sunggoh pun ada undang2 ini bagi satu dasar, tetapi akan dapat di- kaji mengikut kehendak2 dan adat resam, atau pun sharat2 perjanjian yang di-jalankan di-tiap2 satu tempat, dan tiap2 satu negeri dapat meminda ini, atau pun ketetapan2 undang2 mengenakan sewa itu mengikut apa yang di-jalankan di-tempat2 masing2.
chara sa-bagai Tuan Yang di-Pertua, undang2 ini untok satu ia-lah memberi kemudahan kapada tuan tanah dan juga kapada tuan penyewa tanah supaya mereka mematohi undang2 ini.
Sa-balek-nya apa yang di- harapkan kawalan di-atas perlaksa- naan undang2 ini, mesti-lah di-jalankan dengan kuat dan rapi, kerana sunggoh pun kita adakan undang2, ada lagi orang yang pandai untok mengatasi undang2 kerana dengan sa-chara undang2 mereka buat perjanjian sa-bagaimana yang di-sebut dalam undang2, tetapi sa-balek-nya di- buat perjanjian sa-orang dengan sa-orang berlainan pula, jadi ini akan mendatangkan keburokan kapada undang2 ini.
Saya harap pehak yang berkenaan akan mengadakan kawalan yang kuat dan rapi supaya undang2 ini berjalan dengan baik-nya.

di-adakan, di-antara yang tak ada Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sunggoh pun ada undang2 kawalan tanah ini, tetapi masaalah yang besar yang di-alami oleh petani2 kita ia-lah khas-nya pehak2 yang menyewa tanah bendang yang tanah sendiri.

Yang kedua orang yang dapat sewa, tetapi tak chukup bagi ekonomi keluarga-nya sendiri.
Dan masaalah yang besar ini saya harap supaya pehak Kementerian bekerjasama dengan pehak Negeri supaya mengadakan satu undang2 lagi supaya membolehkan tiap2 orang yang tak ada tanah sawah sendiri, dengan sa-chara bayar beransor2 bagaimana Kerajaan laksanakan mengikut dasar perumahan murah di-dalam bandar2, kerana jikalau sa-saorang keluarga itu sa- tidak memilek sendiri tanah kurang2-nya 3 ekar dan sa-banyak2 5 ekar yang saya anggap menjadi sa- bagai milek ekonomi, maka petani2 terus akan dapat kesusahan dan pen- deritaan.
Ini-lah satu masaalah yang sangat besar yang di-alami oleh petani2 kita.

Jadi saya berharap supaya satu lagi undang2 dapat mengatasi perkara ini dengan mengadakan satu chara, ia-itu Kerajaan menghadkan sa-luas2 tanah sawah yang patut di-mileki oleh satu2 keluarga lebeh daripada tak 10 ekar atau pun 5 ekar mithal-nya, dan yang lebeh-nya itu Kerajaan beli mengikut harga pasaran.
ia-itu tanah Perkara ini saya telah pun bawa kapada Kerajaan Negeri dan Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri men- tidak ada undang2 jawab, Kerajaan hendak paksa mengambil tanah orang.

Saya bukan-lah bermaksud supaya Kerajaan paksa ambil (acquire) tanah orang, yang saya bermaksud supaya Kerajaan adakan satu tabong supaya ikut harga pasaran.
membeli Kata-lah satu keping tanah mengikut harga pasaran $3,000 bagi satu ekar dan boleh-lah Kerajaan beli tanah itu mengikut harga pasaran, dan di-jual- kan kapada petani2 yang tak ada tanah, atau yang tidak chukup milek tanah ekonomi dan di-bayar sa-chara beransor2 sa-lama 15 tahun bagaimana yang di-jalankan mengikut ranchangan perumahan murah.
Jikalau satu ekar di-kenakan bayaran harga-nya $3,000 dalam masa 15 tahun, maka dapat-lah petani itu kumpulkan wang $200 satu tahun dan patut juga di-kenakan faedah, sebab Kerajaan pun pinjam wang kena bayar faedah dan kenakan sa-rendah2 faedah 3%.

Jadi kalau sa- orang itu mengikut patut-nya dia memilek 3 ekar, dia bayar $600 satu tahun, dan dengan faedah-nya barang- kali $620; $650 sa-tinggi2-nya satu tahun sa-luas 3 ekar; 15 tahun selesai pembayaran itu dan jadi hak milek dia sendiri.
Ini satu chara saya berharap supaya Kerajaan Pusat bekerjasama dengan pehak Kerajaan Negeri supaya dapat membaiki kedudokan petani2 kita yang tanah.

Mengikut keterangan, lebeh daripada 60% dari pada petani2 kita yang ada dalam tak ada 1925 22 AUGUST 1967 1926 negara kita ini menyewa tanah orang.

Jadi sa-lama mana-kah yang kita patut membiarkan mereka ini terus menyewa tanah.
Ini-lah yang saya harap sa-tinggi2 harapan supaya Kementerian menga- dakan satu Kertas Kerja atau undang2, buat undang2 baharu supaya mem- bolehkan petani2 yang tak ada tanah milek ekonomi sa-luas 3 ekar hingga 5 ekar yang akan beransor2 memilek- juga untok kepentingan nya sendiri tuan2 tanah yang sa-tengah2 kawasan tahu di-atas nama-nya saya dapat sendiri mempunyai 1,500 sa-hingga ekar, 500 ekar, 100 ekar yang dia sen diri tidak berusaha di-atas tanah itu, maka patut Kerajaan beli tanah2 ini ikut harga pasaran dan wang yang patut di-bayar kapada-nya, kata-lah sa- orang itu Kerajaan belikan 100 ekar; kalau $3,000 bagi satu ekar, dia dapat $300,000 dan daripada $300,000 itu di- beri kapada orang itu 50% daripada harga tanah dan yang 50% lagi di- tanamkan modal kapada perusahaan2 taraf perintis yang di- bagaimana laksanakan dan di-anjorkan oleh Kera jaan yang tuan tanah itu ada jaminan bahawa taraf perintis yang di-tanam- kan modal itu akan memberi ke untongan kapada tuan tanah itu.
Ini akan membolehkan keuntongan faedah kedua2 memelihara pehak—orang tanah dapat menga- yang dakan tanah, orang yang ada tanah yang Kerajaan belikan tanah-nya, dapat modal itu di-tanamkan kapada tempat yang ada harapan; ada keuntongan bagi orang yang tuan tanah itu sendiri.

tak ada Dengan ini, saya berharap supaya pehak Kementerian akan memikirkan masaalah ini yang mana kita sendiri menjalankan dasar ia-itu dasar demo- krasi milek harta.
Ini-lah masa-nya dan peluang yang chemerlang bagi Kerajaan Pusat bekerjasama dengan Kerajaan Negeri melaksanakan satu dasar yang sa-benar2-nya menolong kapada orang2 yang tanah dalam negara kita ini.

tak ada Mr Speaker: Persidangan ini di- tanggohkan hingga pukul 4.00 petang ini.

Sitting suspended at 1.00 p.m.

Sitting resumed at 4.00 p.m. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) THE PADI CULTIVATORS (CONTROL OF RENT AND SECURITY OF TENURE) BILL Second Reading Debate resumed.
Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, menyambong uchapan telah tadi saya saya sa-belah pagi pun mengemukakan satu shor dan pandangan untok di-ambil perhatian oleh pehak Yang Berhormat Menteri mengenai masaalah yang di-alami oleh peladang2 yang tidak mempunyai tanah sendiri dan saya berharap supaya Yang Berhormat Menteri bekerjasama dengan Kerajaan Negeri dan dapat membuat satu undang2 atau peratoran supaya memberi peluang kapada peladang2 yang tidak ada tanah sendiri untok mereka berusaha, sa-bagaimana yang saya shorkan, dalam tanah sa-luas sa- kurang2-nya 3 ekar sa-bagai milek ekonomi dan orang yang tidak chukup daripada itu di-tambah supaya menjadi chukup sa-bagai milek ekonomi kerana sharikat2 kalau di-laksanakan oleh kerjasama mithal-nya, faedah yang di- kenakan itu tinggi ia-itu di-antara 8% hingga 12%.
Jikalau Kerajaan sendiri melancharkan ranchangan ini, menge- nakan faedah yang rendah, kata-lah 3% maka dapat-lah peladang2 yang tidak mempunyai tanah itu mempunyai tanah milek jangka panjang sa-lama 15 tahun.

sendiri dalam tanah sa-orang peladang yang Di-kawasan saya pada masa sekarang tidak ini, mempunyai terpaksa menyewa tanah orang dan terkadang2-nya tuan tanah menghendaki bayaran wang dahulu, ia-itu sa-banyak $250.00 bagi satu relong baharu-lah boleh dia ber usaha.
Jadi, dengan sa-chara menga- dakan satu peruntokan oleh Kerajaan Pusat dan Kerajaan Negeri boleh menguruskan perkara ini bagaimana yang kita adakan dalam ranchangan perumahan murah sa-lama 5 tahun, Ranchangan Pertama Malaysia di- peruntokkan sa-banyak $20 juta.
Oleh yang demikian, saya yakin dan perchaya Kerajaan dapat mengadakan 1927 22 AUGUST 1967 1928 wang peruntokan sa-kurang2-nya $10 juta, atau pun $5 juta bagi tahun hadapan untok memulakan ranchangan beli tanah daripada orang yang memi- leki lebeh daripada yang patut supaya di-bahagi2kan kapada orang2 yang tidak ada tanah kerana kerumitan ini khas-nya di-negeri Pulau Pinang tidak ada negeri Pahang—perkara ini dapat di-atasi oleh kerana tanah resab banyak dan negeri2 lain pun bagitu juga.
sa-bagaimana tanah Tuan Yang di-Pertua, akhir-nya saya berharap pehak Yang Berhormat Men- teri menimbangkan di-atas orang2 yang berusaha di-atas tanah menggunakan tanah itu menanam sayor, mithal-nya, kerana banyak di-antara warga negara kita yang berusaha menanam sayor.

Undang2 tidak mengenai orang2 yang berusaha berchuchok tanam, ia- itu menanam sayor, dan juga pekebun2 buah2an yang kechil2.
Saya berharap pada satu masa nanti Rang Undang2 ini dapat di-pinda dan di-masokkan bersama2 dalam Undang2 ini orang2 yang berusaha tanam sayor dan kebun2 buah2an.

ini jikalau Saya ingin menarek perhatian Yang Berhormat Menteri mengenai perkara menanam luar musim.

Ada di-satengah2 kawasan mereka menanam padi sa- tahun sa-kali dan tanaman dua musim- nya ia-lah bukan daripada padi, bah- kan di-tanam dengan jagong, atau saya lihat di-sabelah Kelantan sana dengan tembakau.
Oleh yang demikian undang2 ini yang hendak di-kenakan sa-banyak Kelas "A", kata-lah satu ekar 140 gantang, dengan jagong, atau di-tanam dengan temba kau, harus akan menjadi satu per- balahan di-antara tuan tanah dengan penyewa bendang itu.
Jadi, saya harap Yang Berhormat Menteri bekerjasama dengan Kerajaan2 Negeri untok memer- hatikan perkara ini supaya dapat di- atasi dan dapat di-selesaikan manakala ada perbalahan di-antara dua2 belah pehak dan akhir-nya saya berharap-lah dan saya menyokong penoh Rang Undang2 ini supaya dapat di-laksana- kan sa-chepat mungkin.

Terima kaseh.

di-tanam Tuan Abdul Karim bin Abu (Melaka Selatan): Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya suka mengambil bahagian sadikit berchakap berhubong dengan Rang Undang2 pindaan ini.
Tentu-lah bagi pehak petani2 memberikan so- kongan yang penoh kapada Undang2 ini, tetapi pada pendapat saya berhu bong dengan Rang Undang2 ini, dalam bahagian 6 tadi ada di-dalam ini, ia-itu berhubong dengan "tiada-lah sa-saorang tuan tanah boleh membuat sa-suatu perjanjian sewa sa-lama tempoh kurang daripada 3 musim berturut2".

Perkara ini telah berlaku di-dalam Mahkamah di-Negeri Melaka dalam satu perbicha- raan di-antara yang memegang gadai dengan yang menggadai tanah.
Per- kataan "3 Musim" atau "musim" ini tidak ada dalam Mahkamah.

Jadi saya mengeshorkan bagaimana yang telah di-suarakan oleh salah sa- orang daripada rakan saya tadi patut di-potong perkataan "musim" ini di- ganti terus dengan "tahun".

Pada pen dapat saya 3 tahun yang di-letakkan ini sangat-lah pendek yang sa-patut-nya saya chadangkan 5 tahun.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Undang2 ini saya nampak ia-lah berhubong dengan sahaja.
Saya harap penanam padi dapat di-pinda Rang Undang2 ini bukan-lah kapada penanam padi sahaja tetapi sa-bagai negeri yang dudok di- sabelah Selatan tanah ayer kita ini, umpama-nya negeri kami di-Melaka, pajak yang sa-rupa ini terkena kapada dusun2 buah2an dan kelapa, lebeh dahshat lagi daripada yang di-gelarkan padi kuncha atau pun Undang2 yang sa-rupa ini.
Jadi saya berharap Menteri Pertanian dapat menjalankan penyia- satan berhubong dengan pajak musim yang berlaku di-sabelah selatan tanah ayer kita ini, lebeh dahshat lagi dari pada apa yang berlaku di-sabelah utara.

Saya telah pun menyuarakan sa- tahun yang lalu dalam Parlimen ini, tetapi hingga kini maseh senyap lagi.

terutama Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mata pencha- sa-kali petani2 di- rian, Melaka, sa-lain daripada bertanam padi, ada juga-lah apa yang saya kata- kan dusun dan kelapa.
Saya mengalu2- kan dalam Undang2 ini ada melantek Pengerusi sa-buah Jawatan-kuasa.

Saya berharap Yang Berhormat Menteri dapat memileh Pengerusi yang akan di-lantek itu sa-orang yang berperasaan 1929 22 AUGUST 1967 1930 bukan-lah dia itu orang tengah.

Kalau- lah salah Pengerusi, Jawatan-kuasa ini, rasa saya bagi pehak petani2 tidak sunggoh2 belaan.
akan mendapat Akhir-nya Undang2 Pindaan ini, petani2 yang miskin tentu-lah akan dapat per- lindongan dan dengan jalan ini tanaman padi, kerana tanaman padi-lah yang menjadi hasil utama dalam negeri ini.

Jadi saya berharap sangat2, lahir-nya Undang2 ini dapat petani2 dan pela- dang2 juga dudok di-bawah naungan yang selamat.

Sekian, terima kaseh.


Tuan Mohamed Zahir bin Haji Ismail (Sungei Patani): Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya menguchapkan sa-tinggi2 tahniah kapada Kerajaan yang akhir- nya telah pun berjaya mengadakan satu Rang Undang2 Penanam Padi, Menga- wal Sewa, dan Menjamin Pegangan.
saya banyak memorandum Sa-tahu yang telah pun di-hantarkan kapada Kerajaan supaya Kerajaan meminda- kan undang2 yang lama yang telah di- gubahkan dalam tahun 1955, kerana itu kita banyak chachat-nya dan banyak per- kara2 yang kurang lengkap dan demi- tidak-lah bagitu kian perjalanan-nya lichin dan terutama-nya sempurna, dengan tidak ada satu sharat pun di- dalam Undang2 tahun 1955 itu yang membolehkan pehak berkuasa mem- perkuat-kuasakan perjalanan Undang2 itu.
tahu Undang2 yang lama Tetapi walau bagaimana pun, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Undang2 yang lama itu telah pun berjalan juga di-satengah2 Negeri, umpana-nya, di-dalam negeri Kedah, Perlis, Pulau Pinang, tetapi malang-nya Undang2 tahun 1955 itu tidak di-dalam Negeri Kelantan.

Sa-bagaimana kita ma'alum, Undang2 yang lama tahun 1955 itu kuat-kuasa hendak menjalan- kan-nya ia-lah di-dalam tangan Kera jaan Negeri, dan Kerajaan Negeri Kelantan tidak memperkuat-kuasakan Undang2 1955 itu.
langsong berjalan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-Kelantan saperti yang telah saya di-fahamkan, atoran menyewa tanah ia-lah di-kira pawah, ia-itu tuan tanah akan berhak mendapat 50 peratus daripada hasil gross bukan daripada hasil berseh, tiap2 tanah padi-nya daripada pendapatan pada tahun.
Tetapi di-dalam negeri2 yang lain, umpama-nya, negeri Kedah, atau Perlis, tuan tanah ada-lah berhak sa-lebeh2-nya 6 naleh pada tiap2 relong atau pun jikalau di-kira peratus ia-lah lebeh kurang 20 peratus daripada hasil gross tanah bendang- nya.
Itu-lah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada fikiran saya tidak patut Kerajaan Kelantan tidak memperkuat-kuasakan Undang2 Kawalan Sewa Tanah Ben- dang tahun 1955 itu, kerana yang de- mikian maka tuan2 tanah di-Kelantan telah memerah keringat penyewa2 ben- dang di-negeri Kelantan itu, dan kita berharap muga2 Kerajaan Kelantan menguat-kuasakan Undang2 yang ba- haru sa-telah di-luluskan oleh Dewan ini dan Dewan Negara kelak.
ini sadikit bahasa di-dalam Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berkenaan dengan Rang Undang2 yang sedang di- binchangkan sekarang ini, saya suka hendak membuat sa-banyak pandangan2.

Pertama-nya, di-atas nama, nama Inggeris, (Control of Rent and "Cultivators Security of Tenure).

Saya tidak ada apa2 bantahan, tetapi nama di-dalam bahasa kebangsaan, ia-itu Undang2 Penanam Padi (Mengawal Sewa dan Menjamin Pemegangan).
Tentang perkataan "pe- megangan" ini-lah yang saya ragu2kan dengan kerana apa-kah istilah yang telah pun di-dapati berkenaan dengan perkataan "pemegangan" ini.

Sa-benar- nya ia-lah terjemahan daripada per kataan "tenure" dan dalam negeri Kedah, Undang2 tahun 1955, perkataan "security of telah pun di- tenure" terjemahkan kapada "ketentvan hak".

Jadi "pemegangan" ini datang-nya daripada mana, saya pun tidak faham.
Tetapi pada fikiran saya oleh sebab "tenure" itu ma'ana-nya tidak lebeh, tidak kurang kapada "sewaan" atau pun "pajakan", lebeh baik-lah kita te- tapkan kapada sewaan atau pun kapada pajakan, kerana tepat kapada ma'ana yang di-kehendaki oleh Un dang2 ini.

lebeh Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak berchakap bersangkutan dengan sek- shen 6 (1) ia-itu perjanjian sewa hen- dak-lah sa-lama tidak kurang daripada 3 musim berturut2.
tempoh yang 1931 22 AUGUST 1967 1932 Tentang ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, telah pun di-binchangkan beberapa lama, ia- itu berapa-kah lama masa yang patut hendak di-adakan perjanjian di-antara penyewa dengan tuan tanah.

Ada yang memikirkan ia-itu sa-tahun yang di- sharatkan di-dalam Undang2 tahun 1955 sekarang ini tidak-lah elok dan sangat2 membanyakkan kerja dengan kerana tiap2 tahun tuan tanah dan juga pe nyewa terpaksa meregisterkan perjan jian2 sewa mereka itu.
Sa-lepas daripada itu ada yang memikirkan patut supaya di-adakan lebeh daripada sa-tahun, dua tahun, tiga tahun dan lima tahun dan sa-terus-nya.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menge- luarkan hujjah ini dengan kerana per kara ini terta'alok kapada sharat 7 (2) itu dan jikalau sa-kira-nya penyewa, di- dalam masa dua bulan sa-lepas habis tempoh perjanjian sewa itu, tidak me- masokkan satu notice kapada pendaftar mengikut bentok yang di-tetapkan di- dalam Borang B Jadual Pertama, maka luchut-lah sewa-nya.
Jadi, jikalau sa-kira-nya penyewa itu hendak sam- bong, hendak mempunyai option di- bawah sekshen 7 (2) itu, dia dalam masa dua bulan lepas daripada luchut masa tempoh tiga tahun, umpama-nya dalam perkara ini 3 musim di-sharatkan dalam sekshen 6 (1) ini, maka hendak- lah dalam dua bulan sa-belum luchut masa itu dia memasokkan borang yang di-tetapkan dalam Jadual Pertama itu.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perkara ini sa- tahu saya sangat2-lah menjadi kesusa- han kapada orang2 kampong dengan kerana jikalau sa-kira-nya dia terlalai, dia tidak memasokkan borang hendak memanjangkan masa sewa-nya lebeh daripada tiga musim sa-lepas tamat-nya sewa yang lepas itu, maka ia tidak ber- hak lagi dan hak-nya itu telah pun di- tamatkan mengikut sekshen 24 (1) (a) yang mengatakan: "apabila habis tempoh perjanjian sewa."
Jadi lazim-nya, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, orang2 kampong selalu-lah tidak bagitu chekap dan chermat, hendak me- manjang masa tempoh itu.

Jikalau sa- kira-nya dia tidak memanjangkan masa tempoh-nya itu maka serta-merta itu- lah tuan tanah itu boleh membawa satu pengaduan di-bawah sekshen 24 supaya mengambil balek tanah yang telah di- sewakan kapada penyewa tadi.
Mengikut pandangan saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sekshen 7 (2) tidak-lah lagi boleh orang penyewa itu elak lagi dia kena serahkan dengan bulat2 ka pada tuan tanah balek tanah itu jika sa-kira-nya dalam dua bulan lepas tem poh tarikh sewa-nya maka ia tidak menyambongkan masa sewa-nya itu saperti yang di-kehendaki di-dalam sekshen 7 (2) itu.

Jadi, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, dalam perkara ini hendak-lah kita kaji sa-mula di-atas sharat 6 (1) itu, ada-kah patut di-adakan tiga tahun?
Jadi, pada fikiran saya elok jika sa- kira-nya sambongan2 pada tiap2 perjan jian, sa-lepas mati-nya atau pun habis masa-nya satu2 perjanjian itu, maka sambongan itu di-kira sa-chara auto matic, tidak payah lagi orang penyewa itu meminta supaya di-masokkan bo rang supaya di-minta sambongkan, di- kira automatic, di-kira sa-lama tiga ta hun lagi umpama-nya.
Jikalau ini, Tuan tidak macham Yang di-Pertua, umpama-nya apabila perjanjian yang telah habis dalam, umpama-nya dalam bulan Jun dan jika sa-kira-nya dalam bulan Ogos dia tidak sambong dan tidak memasokkan bo rang ini umpama-nya dalam bulan Julai dia telah menenggala tanah itu dengan tractor, kemudian tuan tanah berhak mengambil balek di-bawah sekshen 24 ini, maka menjadi kesusahan-lah ka pada penyewa itu.
Jadi, tujuan dan maksud undang2 ini yang di-chita2kan, yang di-tuju2kan, di-dalam undang2 ini tidak sampai.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berkenaan de ngan perkara 9 (b) ia-itu penyewa tidak boleh memindahkan, menyewakan atau memajakkan tanah padi yang di-pegang itu, atau mana2 di-bawah perjanjian bahagian-nya kapada sa-siapa juga orang lain, atau apa2 sharat, atau janji tanah padi itu.
bagi mengusahakan Jikalau dia berbuat demikian maka boleh-lah tuan tanah itu meminta mela- lui committee, atau pun jawatan-kuasa, meminta balek tanah itu daripada pe nyewa itu.

1933 22 AUGUST 1967 1934 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada fikiran saya sharat itu tidak-lah praktikal, de- ngan kerana kadang2-nya kata-lah sa- orang itu sakit dia tidak boleh buat, di-suroh anak dia buat bendang itu— itu telah pun berchanggah dengan sha rat 9 (b) ini.
Ada kala2-nya penyewa hendak keluar negeri, hendak pergi ka- Mekah umpama-nya, hendak pergi me- ngembara umpama-nya barangkali dua tiga bulan dia serah kapada chuchu-nya buat kerja tanah itu.

Maka telah pun berchanggah dengan sharat 9 (b) ini.
Dan lagi yang lazim-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang selalu di-jalankan oleh penyewa bukan-nya si-penyewa itu sa- orang sahaja yang membuat bendang itu, bukan dia sa-orang, barangkali isteri-nya pun menolong dia, barang kali anak menolong dia, kadang2 dia bagi kapada anak-nya buat tiga ekar-kah atau empat ekar.

Jikalau sa- kira-nya dia buat macham itu maka berchanggah pula dengan sekshen 9 (6) ini.

Maka yang demikian membolehkan tuan tanah itu meminta balek tanah itu.
Jadi yang demikian maka ada-nya sharat2 yang saperti ini tidak menjamin- kan penyewaan kapada si-penyewa itu sa-bagaimana yang telah di-sharatkan atau pun yang di-kehendaki oleh Undang2 ini.

Dan lagi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada kadang2-nya sa-orang yang mempunyai tanah yang besar kata-lah 300 ekar.

Maka dia sa-bagai tuan tanah kadang2- nya dia berkehendakkan supaya di- lantekkan sa-orang yang di-panggilkan principal tenant, ia-itu ketua penyewa.
Kemudian ketua penyewa ini dia pula- lah yang akan bagi kapada orang2 yang di-bawah dia yang di-panggilkan sub-tenant.

Yang demikian, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berma'ana jikalau sa-kira-nya ada sekshen 9 (b) ini tak ada-lah lagi sub2-tenant, atau pun sub-tenant, ia-itu penyewa2 yang kechil2 yang ada pada masa sekarang ini.

Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, jikalau yang demikian apa-kah yang akan ber- laku kapada sub-tenant yang pada masa sekarang ini ada di-dalam negeri kita?
Ada-kah di-kehendaki mereka itu mem buat surat sewa dengan tuan tanah itu terus?

Dan sharat2 tak ada di-dalam Undang2 ini yang berkehendakkan tuan tanah membuat surat sewa kapada s u b2 tenant umpama-nya, dan tentu-lah tuan tanah itu tidak mengakui sub-tenant dengan kerana tidak ada surat, atau pun tidak ada hubongan di-antara orang yang menyewa dan orang yang memberi sewa, atau pun contractual rights di- antara kedua2 orang mereka itu.
Jadi, ini-lah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya minta-lah Menteri yang berkenaan me- mikirkan soal itu.

satu itu.
Dengan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, lagi sekshen 11 (1), ia-itu berkenaan dengan pembayaran sewa dan hendak-lah di- bayar mengikut yang tersebut dalam Jadual Kedua kapada Act ini berse- suaian dengan kelas tanah bagi tanah yang terkandong di-dalam perjanjian sewa sharat bahawa dengan persetujuan bersama antara tuan tanah dan penyewa sa-telah padi di-tuai penyewa boleh-lah mengganti- kan sewa itu dengan bayaran wang tunai yang di-kira mengikut harga padi yang ada terdapat di-tempat pe- nuai pada masa pembayaran kena di- bayar dan mengikut jumlah padi yang kena dibayar sa-bagai sewa di-bawah sekshen ini.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak ada apa2 tegahan di-atas sekshen ini, hanya yang saya minta supaya Kementerian yang berkenaan memikirkan satu masa- alah lagi, ia-itu kita jangan-lah meng- anggap mengatakan bahawasa-nya tiap2 tuan tanah itu semua-nya kaya2 belaka.

Ada tuan2 tanah yang hanya ada lima ekar, enam ekar, ada sa-tengah-nya ada empat ekar dan sa-umpama-nya.

Jadi, kadang2-nya tanah ini telah pun di- sewakan kapada orang lain, dan ka- dang2-nya dia berkehendakkan wang.
Dan orang penyewa suka hendak mem- bayarkan wang kapada-nya, dan jikalau sa-kira-nya kita mengadakan satu sha jikalau sa-kira-nya kedua2 rat pehak itu bersetuju di-bayar dengan, kata-lah, sewa dengan duit tak lebeh daripada harga padi untok lima tahun, atau enam tahun, tujoh tahun, mengikut persetujuan di-antara kedua pehak.

Jadi, tuan tanah ini pun boleh meng- gunakan wang.


ia-itu Umpama-nya ia hendak membuat modal hendak meniaga, hendak mem buat modal untok hendak meninggikan 1935 22 AUGUST 1967 1936 tahun ambil pelajaran anak-nya, dia tak gadoh hendak menunggukan pada tiap2 tahun lepas tuai padi sa-tahun sa-kali dan boleh sa-kali lima umpama-nya.
Ya'ani, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, tidak pula kita hendak me- itu dengan nindas kapada penyewa kerana kita hendak buat perkara ini dengan persetujuan penyewa dengan memberi keuntongan kapada penyewa, jikalau sa-kira-nya wang yang akan di-bayar itu sa-bagai sewa kurang dari pada apa yang dia kena bayar pada tiap2 tahun lepas menuai maka tentu- lah berfaedah kapada-nya.

Dan dia tentu-lah mempunyai hak dan jaminan akan boleh buat sa-lama lima tahun.
tak mahu mengadakan Jikalau kita sharat yang itu maka sa-umpama principle pajak—lease yang telah pun lepas2, yang selalu di-adakan, yang di-turuti untok commerce, untok per- dan niagaan, kita telah batalkan mansokhkan di-dalam Undang2 ini.

Yang demikian, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tanah2 bendang tidak lagi mempunyai commercial value, tidak boleh lagi di- jadikan sa-bagai modal.
Jadi, itu-lah saya harap patut di-adakan satu sharat, ia-itu tuan tanah dan penyewa itu boleh mengambil sewa dengan wang untok beberapa tahun supaya yang demikian menolongkan kapada tuan tanah.

itu si-penyewa Di-samping juga memberikan ketentuan hak atau pun menjaminkan itu pemegangan kapada beberapa tahun yang akan datang dengan tidak takut mendapat satu notis daripada tuan tanah sa-lama sa-tahun yang membolehkan itu saperti mengambil balek yang di-sharatkan di-dalam Undang2 ini.
tuan tanah-nya tanah tuan tanah di-Pertua, Tuan Yang sekshen 24 (1) (a) apa yang saya sebutkan tadi, apabila habis tempoh perjanjian sewa- nya itu, jadi jikalau sa-kira-nya dia tak masok notis di-dalam masa dua bulan, maka itu dengan serta- merta jika tuan tanah yang tak berapa baik hati, macham helang di-sambar- kan hak-nya loyar membuat tuntutan balek akan tanah- nya.
Saya sharat— ini requirement—satu sharat yang tak boleh di-kechualikan, yang tak membolehkan ia pergi kapada ia-lah fikir itu hendak lagi penyewa lawan di- hadapan jawatan-kuasa dengan kerana dia terlalai daripada menunaikan satu sharat yang di-kehendaki oleh Undang2.

Jadi, tidak ada defence lagi atau tiada jawapan lagi.

Saya fikir perkara 24 (1) (a) ini, patut-lah di-timbang supaya di-pinda- kan berbunyi lebeh kurang : "Jikalau penyewa telah serah balek tanah itu kapada tuan tanah."
tahun Jikalau dia telah serah balek baharu- lah tuan tanah itu boleh ambil balek, jikalau tidak dia berhak automatic— automatic right to continue the lease, ia-itu ia berhak hendak sambongkan sa-kali, tiga sewa-nya pada yang di- melainkan, sa-bagaimana kehendaki oleh undang2 tuan ini, tanah itu boleh mengambil balek tanah itu sa-telah penyewa telah pun melanggarkan sharat2 yang telah di- bubohkan di-dalam undang2 ini atau pun tuan tanah itu boleh ambil balek jikalau sa-kira-nya telah pun memberi sa-tahun notis dia hendak membuat sendiri mengikut sekshen 24 (1) (/).
itu tidak Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berkenaan dengan 24 (1) (b\ "ahli", "keluarga" atau "sa-siapa juga" atau "sa-saorang ahli keluarga".

Ahli keluarga ini tidak di-ta'rifkan di-mana2 entah-lah barang- terbacha di-mana2, kali saya tetapi di-dalam undang2 ini nampak- nya tidak ada.

Jadi, ahli keluarga ini lazim-nya termasok-lah isteri, atau pun janda-nya.

Janda laki2, janda perem- puan, anak2 laki2 dan anak2 perempuan ada-lah ahli keluarga yang di-ta'rifkan di-bawah Undang2 Kawalan Sewa Rumah.
Tetapi dalam perkara ini saya rasa patut ta'rif supaya di-permasok- kan sama.

anak Kadang2 itu dua suami isteri itu tidak ada anak, dia buat sewa kemudian dia bela anak orang, kemudian dia angkat-nya meninggal.

Anak yang mengerjakan itu.

Apabila si- penyewa itu meninggal kemudian tidak boleh anak angkat-nya itu mendapat hak di-bawah sekshen 24 (1) (b).
kapada angkat tanah Jadi, saya rasa ahli keluarga ini luas patut-lah sadikit supaya termasok kapada orang2 di-ta'rifkan supaya 1937 22 AUGUST 1967 1938 yang membuat bendang2 itu yang sa- benar2-nya bukan-lah hanya terhad kapada janda, atau pun anak2 kapada penyewa yang telah meninggal dunia itu.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berkenaan dengan sekshen 31 (2) yang mengata- kan: "Tiada sa-orang pengamal undang2 atau pleader berhak hadhir bagi pehak mana2 pehak dalam apa2 pembicharaan di-hadapan ini kechuali Jawatan-kuasa di-bawah Act dan Jawatan-kuasa kebenaran dengan Jawatan-kuasa boleh memberi atau tidak memberi kebenaran itu sa-bagaimana di- fikirkan-nya patut."
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam perkara ini saya agak ganjil dengan kerana sa-orang peguam boleh mewakili mana2 pehak di-hadapan badan pengadil di-bawah sekshen 31 (1) itu.

Tetapi mengapa pula di-hadkan di-bawah sekshen 31 (2).

Apa- bila appeal ka-atas peguam boleh had hir.

Di-bawa ka-hadapan jawatan-kuasa maka di-hadkan melainkan jikalau sa- kira-nya di-beri kebenaran oleh Penge- rusi Jawatan-kuasa itu.
Jadi saya rasa ini tidak-lah lojik dengan kerana banyak perkara2 boleh peguam hadhir di-jawatan-kuasa itu dengan tidak lagi mendapat kebenaran, maka perkara appeal yang membawa kapada pengadil itu boleh kurang ber- laku.

Jadi, perkara banyak2 yang boleh di-selesaikan di-bawah dengan ada peguam di-situ ada kadang2-nya tidak payah lagi di-appeal ka-atas.
sa-kira-nya kalau itu Jadi, sa-belah atas itu boleh ada peguam, di-bawah ini tidak boleh, ini saya rasa ganjil dengan kerana jikalau sa-kira-nya hendak sa-saorang peguam di-bawah dalam Jawatan-kuasa dia tidak boleh.

Lazim ia akan bichara dahulu dan jika dia kalah kemudian appeal pergi kapada pengadil.

Di-dalam bichara pengadil itu dia ambil peguam juga.
Jadi apa-kah tujuan yang sa- benar-nya dalam undang2 ini yang menghadkan supaya sa-orang peguam itu tidak dapat menghadhiri di-dalam perbicharaan Jawatan- kuasa.

Saya rasa tidak ada-lah bagitu lojik-nya dalam perkara ini.

di-perengkat Tuan Yang di-Pertua, akhir-nya perkara saya hendak berchakap dalam perkara ini, saya hendak membuat sa- tanah2 bagai satu pertanyaan.
Ia-itu tahun memileki bendang baik di-dalam negeri Kelantan atau pun dalam negeri Kedah dan juga barangkali dalam negeri Perak boleh di-katakan kebanyakan-nya, di-dalam simpanan Melayu.

Dan jikalau sa-kira- nya mengikut sharat 7 (2) ia-itu orang penyewa itu boleh ada option, ia-itu dengan kehendak sendiri-nya hendak membaharui perjanjian sewa itu dan jikalau sa-kira penyewa itu bukan-nya jadi, berma'ana dia orang Melayu, dapat enam tanah Simpanan Melayu.
Lepas itu dia ada lagi pula berhak pula, sambongkan kapada 3 tahun, jikalau sa-kira-nya tanah itu tanah sa-orang yang harta- wan, tanah itu tanah Simpanan Melayu, tentu-lah orang hartawan itu tidak boleh meminta balek ini, di-bawah tanah sekshen 24 (1) (/) yang mengatakan tuan tanah itu kena-lah buat sendiri tanah itu, kerana dia hartawan tentu- lah dia tidak buat bendang.
Jadi pada tiap2 tahun tanah Simpanan Melayu ini kena di-sambongkan pada tiap2 3 tahun, mengikut sekshen 6 (1) ia-itu kena-lah tiga2 musim.

Mengikut undang2 Reserve Melayu, tanah Simpanan Melayu, tidak boleh di-pajak kapada orang2 yang bukan Melayu lebeh daripada 3 tahun— itu di-negeri Kedah.

Jadi, jikalau bagitu, maka berma'ana, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, undang2 telah pun berchanggah dengan Undang2 Tanah Simpanan Melayu—dengan sa-chara indirect.
Saya minta-lah pehak Kementerian memikir- kan soal ini dengan kerana barangkali dengan ada-nya sharat ini entah2 ber changgah pula dengan Perlembagaan negeri kita yang tersentoh dengan tanah2 Reserve Melayu.

Sekian-lah.
Sekian-lah.

ini Tuan C. V. Devan Nair (Bungsar): Mr Speaker, Sir, over the last few years in this House I have had occasion frequently to remind the Government of the crying need to introduce new legis lation to provide effective rent control and security of tenure for the padi farmers in this country numbering about 200,000.
Every time the reply was that some committee or other was studying the matter and, in the circumstances, Sir, no one is gladder than I am to see that this Bill has at last seen the light of day.

In one respect the Bill is a distinct improvement on the 1955 Ordinance, in 1939 22 AUGUST 1967 1940 providing enforcement powers which were conspicuously lacking in the pre vious law.
I wish to stress from the outset, Sir, the padi that whether farmers in the sawahs will benefit from the revised law will depend on whether the Alliance Government is determined to enforce the powers that it will acquire under this law.

If the Alliance's past is any reliable guide, then the plight of the Malayan padi farmers do not appear to be heading for improvement.

The existing law was passed some 12 years ago.


Among other things, it fixed the ceiling for rent at one-third of the harvest, but it was never imple mented.

The Government will reply that the reason why the 1955 law was not implemented was because of its lack of enforcement powers.
This is acceptable, but why has it taken the Government 12 years to rectify an obvious omission in the previous law, and this, Sir, makes a mockery of the Alliance's concern for the plight of the rural peasants when for the last 12 years it did nothing to relieve the miseries and the hardships of 200,000 padi farmers, who were ex ploited by land owners, many of whom, incidentally, happen to be Alliance big wigs.
The next General Election, Sir, is around the corner and now the Govern ment has acted with an unusual alacrity to revise the law.

In the interest of the 200,000 padi farmers and their families, we sincerely and earnestly pray that this revised Bill is not just another election gimmick, which will become another dead letter like its 1955 ancestor.

Now, Sir, to the Bill itself, we have been told that the revised draft Bill was based on the Ford Foundation Report on Land Tenure in this country.
This the Eldon Smith report, known as Report, has been submitted the Cabinet.

The Minister of Agriculture promised in June this year that this report would be released.

So far it has not been done.

We would like to know why this has not been done.

We must be clear, Sir, in our minds as to why we need effective tenancy legislation.
to The purpose is to establish equitable tenure relations which provide for conti nuous farming operations, sustained production, a reasonable standard of living for the cultivator and his protec tion against unjust eviction.
It is only when the cultivator is assured that he would enjoy benefits from his additional efforts and his permanent or semi permanent investments, that he will be encouraged to make all the improve ments he possibly can in relation to his productivity and to the development of the agricultural resources at his disposal.
Insecurity of tenure will not only dis courage initiative but may permanently damage the land by tempting the culti vator to indulge in harmful husbandry practice, which incidentally pointed out before, in order to get quick results, quick harvests.

I have Clause 7 (2), Sir, of the Bill provides that an option to renew a tenancy agree ment shall be exercised not later than two months before the expiry of the tenancy agreement by the tenant filling a required form.

The onus is, therefore, on the tenant.


We know, Sir, that the overwhelming majority of the padi tenants are illiterate.

Many of them, through ignorance of the law, will there fore, forfeit their option to renew their tenancy agreements, and God knows, Sir, like all this Government, Governments, have a habit of intimi dating members of the illiterate public with formidable looking forms.
that Sir, we propose that the Government should seriously consider amending this Clause to put the onus of renewing the tenancy agreement on the landlord just as the onus of registering tenancy agree ments is on the landlord.

If tenants wilfully refuse to renew the tenancy agreement, the landlord has recourse to apply for recovery of possession of land to a Committee of Inquiry under Clause 24 (1) (d).
Clause 24 (1) (b) permits the recovery of possession of any land by the landlord, and I quote, "in the event of the death or incapacity or otherwise of the tenant" with the proviso that, again I quote—"any person or member of the family of the tenant who is actually cultivating the land may apply to the Committee for an Order transfer ring the tenancy agreement to him."

If the Committee makes such an order the transfer is made, but the Committee may refuse to make the order.
This is 1941 22 AUGUST 1967 1942 manifestly contrary to social justice and we, therefore, urge on the Government to make such transfers of tenancy agree ments to members of the family of the tenant, in the event of the death or incapacity of the tenant, mandatory.

We are also perturbed by the uninhibited power of the landlord to recover posses sion of land on the grounds that he requires the land for self-cultivation.
Taking into cognisance the fact that the majority of the padi farmers are tenants, it is in the social interest to prohibit landlords, who are already cultivating more than 50 acres of land, to the right of recovery of possession.

Finally, Mr Speaker, Sir, the Bill should have provided for the absolute right of pre-emption in the tenants' favour by establishing the principle that land under lease may be sold only to the tenant.

Such provisions are con tained, Sir, in the Japanese and Belgian legislation.
In Belgium, the owner may not sell the property by private agree ment to a person other than the lessee— the right of pre-emption.

The owner must inform the lessee of the price and sale conditions.

The lessee must notify his acceptance within 30 days.
If the lessee does not accept, the owner may not sell the property to a third party for a lower price or on more favourable conditions than those proposed to the lessee, and I will submit, Sir, with all respect to the Government, that it take into consideration the suggestions that I have made in the interest of affording greater protection to the tenants than is contained in the Bill.

Thank you, Sir.
Thank you, Sir.

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah (Bachok): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan izin tuan, saya turut berchakap sadikit berkenaan dengan Rang Un- dang2 Penanam Padi, Mengawal Sewa dan Menjamin Pemegangan.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ini ada-lah satu perkara yang pada dasar-nya baik tetapi saya yang dukachita Rang Undang2 ini di-beri dalam tempoh yang tidak sempat bagi Wakil2 Ra'ayat, atau pun bagi saya sendiri, menyemak dan mengambil tahu ada-kah butir2 dalam undang2 ini dapat di-amalkan oleh ra'ayat jelata.
Kita tegoran2, atau pen- telah mendengar dapat2 yang di-beri oleh sa-orang Ahli Yang Berhormat yang juga sa-bagai peguam yang datang daripada tempat yang banyak kejadian sewa-menyewa yang sa-macham ini, dan nyata-lah apa- bila kita tolak champor dari segi merit dan demerit-nya itu kita dapati bukan sahaja kehendak Rang Undang2 ini tidak di-chapai tetapi nature of the very Bill itself sudah berlawanan di-antara satu section dengan satu section yang lain, ini sudah menchukupi untok kita memberi perhatian.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, jadi di-bawah section 4 (2) boleh telah di- perchakapkan, tetapi saya datang lewat, saya minta ma'af, kalau sa-kira-nya saya ulangkan balek, ia-itu walau apa pun peruntokan2 section kechil yang di- atas itu, Pendaftar boleh melanjutkan masa untok pendaftaran sa-suatu per- janjian sewa, jika dia puas hati bahawa sebab2-nya perjanjian itu tidak di-serah untok di-daftarkan dalam tempoh yang di-tetapkan dalam section kechil yang di-atas itu tidak-lah kerana apa2 ke- engkaran di-pehak tuan tanah.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mentafsirkan perkata- an "tidak-lah kerana apa2 keengkaran", jadi keengkaran daripada pehak tuan tanah itu, tentu-lah payah hendak di- tafsirkan, kechuali kalau di-butirkan tetap.
Saya perchaya, Tuan dengan Yang di-Pertua, ada section2 lain yang mentafsirkan tetapi apa salah-nya pula, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, clause ini atau sub-section ini memberi pula hak kapada penyewa bukan sahaja tuan tanah yang dapat membuktikan atau pun dapat peruf bahawa dia tidak engkar tetapi penyewa pun dapat mem buktikan juga.
section ini, itu Mithal-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, katakan-lah perjanjian tidak di- serahkan dan tidak di-daftarkan dalam masa yang di-kehendaki dan salah satu sebab-nya ia-lah tuan tanah itu tidak berada di-negeri itu, atau tidak berada di-tempat itu, maka nyata-lah bukan tuan tanah itu yang engkar, sebab dia tidak ada di-dalam negeri.
Maka tidak tidak menjadi kesalahan, atau pun dapat di-ambil satu2 tindakan terhadap- nya, boleh-lah di-teruskan pendaftaran itu tetapi apa kata pula, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, penyewa itu pergi keluar negeri, mithal-nya penyewa itu telah 1943 22 AUGUST 1967 1944 dapat nikmat dan dia pergi ka-Mekah dan masa yang di-kehendaki untok mendaftarkan itu, dia tidak ada di-sini dan itu bukan-lah satu keengkaran.
dalam spirit-nya, ini, boleh Pendaftar Dalam jiwa undang2 itu tidak ber- tetapi apabila menerima, tulis, maka kerap kali-nya dalam undang2, spirit hanya-lah dapat meng- untongkan pehak yang cherdek sahaja, sebab pehak yang bodoh ini dia bergantong kapada keadaan sa-mata2, tidak ada spirit dan ini ada-lah satu perkara yang dia niat baik, tetapi dengan amalan itu menjadi tidak baik sama-lah dengan beruang yang hendak menolong tuan-nya yang tidor meng- halau lalat, di-bawa-nya ketul batu, di-hempaskan di-atas muka, dengan niat hendak menghalau lalat itu, tetapi lalat terbang pechah-lah muka tuan- nya.
Dan ini ada-lah satu gara2 bagi dalam undang2 ini.

itu sewa sama perjanjian tahun yang ghalib-nya, Dalam section 6, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, kita dapati bahawa tiada-lah sa-saorang tuan tanah boleh membuat sa-suatu sa-lama tempoh yang kurang daripada 3 musim itu berturut2.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tiga musim bagi Tanah Melayu ini ia-lah tidak 18 3 bulan oleh kerana menanam padi dua kali itu tidak banyak tempat-nya.
Jadi satu undang2 hanya kalau di-buat untok di-maksudkan sa-chara tidak, sa-chara niat, langsong, atau tidak, undang2 atau pun itu boleh di-pakai kapada pehak yang terkechil, sebab tidak dapat di-namakan undang2 untok ra'ayat.

Kita boleh buat undang2 itu bagi kesemua pehak dan termasok pehak yang kechil.
Jadi mithal-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita tiga musim, saya mem- katakan-lah punyai saya tanah dan berhajat hendak pergi ka-Mekah dan saya sewa hanya dua musim atau pun dua daripada menyewa menchukupi bagi ka-Mekah, jadi hendak menyewa tanah itu, tetapi oleh kerana Rang Undang2 ini tidak membenarkan kita membuat sewa kurang daripada tiga musim, maka hajat saya tidak sampai dan ini saya lebeh suka kalau sa-kira-nya section 6, sub-section (1) tahun, kerana duit orang yang lima ekar ada-lah tidak-lah ini berbunyi, sa-saorang tuan tanah boleh membuat perjanjian tidak sewa sa-lama sa-suatu tempoh kurang daripada sa-kali tanam padi, sebab kalau kurang dari satu kali itu, tentu-lah tidak menjadi sewa.
Ini bukan maksud kita hendak menghalang dari tidak mahu tiga musim, tetapi kita menetapkan itu, kerana tiga musim maksud2-nya yang saya kata tadi.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tuan2 tanah ini, kalau di-Tanah Melayu, bukan yang mempunyai kesemua tanah—landlord—sa-bagaimana di- India, atau pun di-mana2 tempat yang lain mempunyai beratus2 ekar, boleh jadi ada 5, 4 ekar dan tak dapat duit nak pergi ka-Mekah, sebab orang2 Melayu kita hendak pergi ka-Mekah itu-lah satu benda yang ia ingin nak champion dalam dunia ini, sebab dia hendak memileki kemegahan itu dan dengan demikian lagi satu pula Rang Undang2 Tanah ini menyekat hasrat manusia.
Jadi, di-sini, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, section 6 ini pada saya tidak sesuai kapada ra'ayat jelata.

orang satu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada perkara yang tersempat bacha ia-itu section 9 (c)—penyewa hendak-lah sa- tiap masa mengusahakan tanah yang tersebut itu mengikut atoran pertanian yang sempurna dan hendak-lah me- nanggong segala belanja bagi mengusa- hakan-nya.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita belum pernah mendengar di-negara kita ini satu undang2 telah mengemukakan tanah2 yang tanah untok mengelok ekonomik.
Ada satu undang2 yang nak mengelokkan tanah atau pun maseh dalam peringkat perchubaan, jadi erti- nya kebanyakan atau boleh di-katakan tanah sawah dalam negara kesemua tidak berator.

tanah yang ini kita Kalau bagitu penyewa ini sudah lebeh tidak tahu lagi dengan peratoran itu, maka menjadi sesuai kapada penyewa yang di-kampong itu hendak tahu sa- petani bagaimana yang di-katakan sempurna.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apabila keluar satu surat pekeliling pertanian yang lebeh sempurna ini hendak di- tali ayer yang kechil yang adakan 1945 22 AUGUST 1967 1946 bagitu bagini yang kesemua-nya di- tanggong oleh si-penyewa tadi dan ini amat-lah berat yang di-harapkan nak mendapat untong dalam 200 gantang atau 300 gantang pada satu ekar, dia terpaksa pula membuat chara2 perato- ran pertanian yang sempurna bagi negara kita.
Saya tidak tahu apa-kah yang di-katakan negara chara yang sempurna kapada kita, sedang negara kita ini belum membuat satu peratoran Land Reform untok di-kemukakan kapada ra'ayat, jadi membuat undang2 dengan tahu dahulu ada-lah berlawan dengan chara2 mem buat undang2.
tidak memberi Saya perchaya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada peguam2 yang tolong membuat— frame—undang2 ini, tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, peguam2 yang membuat undang2 ini, dia tidak berhak men- champor polisi, hanya dia sa-mata2 mengikut teknik—itu sahaja, apa yang di-kehendaki oleh Kerajaan dia mem- betulkan dari segi legal—itu sahaja.
Jadi ini saya perchaya, kalau section (9) (c) ini berlaku, maka, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, menjadi salah pula kapada penyewa yang tahu peratoran tidak tadi; jadi kalau-lah dia chuba nak develop tanah itu, hendak tanam tanah itu pada musim-nya, kemudian datang- lah landlord, tuan tanah, yang cherdek sadikit itu, dia taksir chara, kemudian ini tidak betul dan terpaksa-lah kamu tali ayer bagitu dan mengadakan bagini maka kachau-lah penyewa itu nak buat.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ini pula dalam satu section yang lain saya tidak dapat hendak chari di-sini, tetapi saya telah bacha ia-itu apabila nak menyerahkan balek, boleh-lah pehak yang menyewa itu meminta balek perjanjian yang dia telah berikan di-masa dia menyewa, tetapi dengan chara benda2 yang di- buat tuan itu mengikut persetujuan tanah.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau mengikut tuan tanah, tentu-lah dia-tidak dapat hendak mengerjakan, sebab orang2 kampong yang menyewa tanah ini dia tidak tahu ilmu pertanian dan apabila datang ayer bah, mithal-nya, yang ia-tahu ia-lah changkol buat batas dan boleh jadi batas itu tidak valid mengikut legal persetujuan pula dan dia tidak tahu perkara ini semua dan dia hendak minta duit itu tidak boleh, sebab batas yang di-buat itu tidak sampai kapada taraf yang patut di-minta sagu hati balek.
Ini semua, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, undang2 sa-macham ini boleh di-buat kapada farmers di-Amerika, atau pun orang2 yang sudah mengerti ia-itu penanam2 yang mengerti laws, yang mengerti peratoran pertanian.

Bagi ini, Tuan Yang di- Tanah Melayu Pertua, orang2 kampong kita tidak pandai, sebab itu-lah kita kuat dalam ranchangan2 luar bandar, kalau orang2 kampong kita ini pandai saperti negeri yang advance dan sudah maju, sudah tentu mereka tidak mengundi Perikatan bagi memerentah negeri ini.
itu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, section 25, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya datang daripada kampong dan kedudokan orang kampong, saya rasa, saya lebeh pandai daripada Menteri2.

Saya dari kampong, saya besar dari kampong dan saya tahu segala2-nya, sa-hingga dengan Menteri Pertanian itu pun saya lebeh tahu hal kampong.
Tuan Yang di- Pertua, section 25 jikalau kita tengok di-sini, apabila sa-suatu rayuan di- maksudkan terhadap keputusan, atau perentah jawatan-kuasa, maka boleh- lah jawatan-kuasa, atas permohonan mana2 pehak dalam perbicharaan itu, menggantong perlaksanaan keputusan atau perentah itu sementara menanti keputusan badan pengadilan.
tanah, di-antara saya mengatakan clause Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dari segi legal boleh jadi sedap bunyi clause ini, ini tetapi tidak practicable, sebab, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, katakan-lah hujan sudah turun, musim sudah datang untok peladang bersawah, tiba2 jadi-lah satu salah faham antara penyewa dengan tuan tenant dengan owner atau landlord, maka penyelesaian itu terpaksa di-bawa kapada jawatan- kuasa dan jawatan-kuasa ini kalau dia memikirkan hendak menchari keadilan yang terpaksa kena serah kapada satu badan keadilan yang lain atau badan yang lebeh tinggi.
Apa akan terjadi kapada musim itu sendiri, tentu-lah sebab legal proceeding lebeh baik dia itu 1947 22 AUGUST 1967 1948 lebeh itu pula mengambil masa sa-kurang2-nya sa- turun, hendak sudah bulan, hujan tanam padi tidak boleh, tiba2 jawatan- kuasa takut hendak rasa memutuskan, dan kemukakan pula kapada satu badan yang lebeh tinggi.
tinggi Kebetulan badan yang itu mempunyai tugas2 yang lain, dia pergi ka-luar negeri-kah, bagitu bagini, maka tuan tanah itu pun tidak dapat duit, orang menyewa pun tidak dapat tidak boleh hendak di- duit, sebab tanam, perlaksanaan penanaman itu tidak boleh kerana tergantong pending judgement.

Jadi dia terpaksa kena menunggu maka berlalu-lah musim.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, musim membuat padi ini dia tidak menunggu Menteri2 atau pun wakil ra'ayat senang maka hujan itu turun, dia turun dan masa dia pergi habis dan hilang-lah musim yang sa-macham itu.

Ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-lah perkara yang kena- ra'ayat.

Ada pun mengena dengan masaalah Rang Undang2 ini sendiri saya berasa tetapi amalan-nya tidak baik.
tujuan-nya baik, ia-itu saya dengar Tuan Yang di-Pertua, lagi satu ia-lah masaalah yang kita hendak kenakan kapada orang2 penyewa sa- tadi bagaimana yang dalam jawatan-kuasa ini tidak boleh pakai peguam, tetapi di-dalam badan pengadilan baharu kita boleh pakai peguam.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, masa alah ra'ayat, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau dia dapat menggunakan peguam di-pehak yang atas itu sudah tinggi berfikir-nya, tetapi kebanyakan ra'ayat bukan sahaja hendak menunggu tidak sampai masa dia hendak menunggu badan pengadilan, badan jawatan- kuasa itu sendiri pun dia tidak sampai.

Di-setengah2 tempat Penghulu sahaja, di-Kelantan orang panggil Penghulu, di-tempat lain Ketua Kampong.

Jadi, orang ini sahaja dapat menyelesaikan.


Jadi, dalam perkara ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Penghulu dan Ketua Kam pong champor tidak dalam perkara di-daftar atau pun tidak ada perunto- kan dalam Rang Undang2 ini.
Saya tidak minta di-masokkan peruntokan, tetapi kedudokan maka terpaksa-lah penyelesaian itu di-bawa kapada jawa tidak boleh masok ini kerana dia tan-kuasa dan di-bawa kapada badan pengadilan dan di-masa itu kalau dia hendak minta pertolongan daripada To' Penghulu atau pun To' Penggawa atau pun Ketua Kampong, maka pegawai2 negeri yang berkenaan yang saya sebutkan ini sudah tentu-lah lepas tidak tangan.

Mereka berkata kami dapat Rang di-bawah Undang2 ini.
Kesemua-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, menambahkan lagi kerumitan kapada ra'ayat jelata.

bertindak sadikit Akhir-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berlain saya membahathkan Rang Undang2 ini, sebab saya mem bahathkan detail, kemudian baharu saya hendak membahathkan dalam umum, in general.

Jadi yang saya dapati, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Kerajaan kita sekarang ini berniat baik, tetapi dia tidak mempunyai satu konsep di- dalam perlaksanaan penyewaan tanah.
Mithal-nya yang di-sebut di-sini yang saya dapati yang di-tekankan-nya ia-lah pendaftaran itu atau penyewaan tidak boleh di-lakukan kalau kurang daripada tiga musim, tetapi dia tidak menetap- kan pula tanah sa-luas mana yang patut menjadi sewa.

Ada-kah tanah itu ekonomik dan kalau ekonomik ada-kah sesuai dengan darjat ekonomik Malaysia kita atau pun ekonomik meng- ikut negeri yang advance atau pun kita sa-mata2 memberi sa-barang tanah.
Ini juga, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, patut di- kaji oleh pehak Kementerian kita.

itu Yang kedua, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, nampak-nya rasa2 Kerajaan sekarang ini sudah berubah fahaman-nya dari pada capitalistic dan feudalistic kapada socialistic dan chuba hendak menceiling- kan ia-itu menghadkan milek dan inter fere kapada landlord dan nampak-nya hendak membunoh absentee landlord.
tetapi Saya menyokong perkara mengemukakan biar-lah dahulu sa- orang pemilek tanah berapa ratus ekar yang dia berhak memileki untok beri di-sewa.

Jadi dapat-lah kita menimbang- kan Rang Undang2 ini dengan baik, tetapi oleh kerana tidak ada undang2 tanah yang sa-macham ini saya berasa saya yakin apa yang di-sebutkan oleh wakil dari Sungai Patani tadi kalau di- beri tempoh Rang Undang2 ini kapada dasar-nya.
Mithal-nya, Kerajaan ini, 1949 22 AUGUST 1967 1950 ra'ayat untok mendalami-nya banyak yang kita akan dapati berlawan dengan Undang2 Tanah Negeri dan boleh jadi berlawanan dengan National Land Code dan boleh jadi berlawan dengan Per- lembagaan sendiri.
Dengan itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau betul Kerajaan ini hendak menchari satu social justice atau ke'adilan social kapada ra'ayat jelata, saya menchabar Kerajaan supaya berani menyerahkan Rang Undang2 ini kapada Select Committee dan Select Committee akan melantek satu Selection Committee untok mendalami.

Jika tidak, erti-nya Kerajaan kita hendak memaksa satu undang2 yang belum masak dan ini ada-lah amalan Kerajaan Perikatan dan saya harap tidak-lah di- sambong2.
The Minister of Agriculture and Co operatives (Tuan Haji Mohamed Ghazali bin Haji Jawi): Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya mengambil peluang meng- uchapkan terima kaseh kapada Ahli2 Dewan yang telah memberi tegoran, shor dan keselurohan-nya memberi sokongan kapada Rang Undang2 ini.
Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Batu, pada pagi tadi dalam menyokong Rang Undang2 ini telah pun membayangkan ia-itu dengan lulus-nya Rang Undang2 ini tidak-lah berma'ana semua masa- alah2 berkenaan dengan pertanian dan peladang2 dapat di-selesaikan.

Dalam masaalah ini saya telah beberapa kali menerangkan ia-itu masaalah yang ber- hubong dengan peladang2, atau pun petani2 ini amat-lah banyak dan sukar.

Kita chuma berikhtiar menyelesaikan satu demi satu dari satu masa ka-satu masa.
Beberapa perkara telah pun kita mula jalankan sa- umpama pemasaran, sekarang penyewa- an telah pun menjemput pakar2 daripada Bangsa2 Bersatu untok mengkaji masaalah pinjam meminjam dan lain2.

Dengan sokongan daripada Kerajaan2 Negeri dan juga Ahli2 Dewan, atau Wakil2 Ra'ayat, saya perchaya masaalah2 yang ada sangkutan dengan peladang dan petani ini akan dapat kita selesaikan satu demi satu bagi masa yang akan datang ini.
tanah dan saya juga laksanakan, atau Ahli Yang Berhormat itu telah pun mengeshorkan supaya pehak Kerajaan berikhtiar membeli, atau pun meng tuan2 tanah2 yang kepunyaan ambil tanah yang besar2 atau pun luas itu dan tanah2 itu pula di-bahagikan kapada peladang2 dan petani2.

Daripada segi ini pehak Kerajaan telah pun berikhtiar bagi membeli beberapa kawasan padi dan tanah2 bendang itu telah pun di- jual balek kapada petani2 dengan bayaran ansoran jangka lama.
Bertam Estate telah pun di-beli sejak beberapa tahun yang sudah oleh Sharikat Kerja itu sama dan Sharikat Kerjasama dengan beberapa sebab maseh terhutang kapada beberapa puncha dan pada akhir-nya Sharikat Kerjasama Bertam Estate itu telah memohon bantuan dari pada Kerajaan dan Kerajaan telah pun memberi pinjaman $1.7 juta kapada Sharikat Kerjasama Bertam Estate itu.
Baharu2 ini dua buah Sharikat Kerja sama lagi telah pun berjaya membeli Brown Estate di-Pulau Pinang dengan pinjaman di-buat daripada Kerajaan dan tanah2 dalam Brown Estate itu sedang di-dalam usaha untok di- bahagi2kan kapada, atau di-beri hak milek kapada peladang2 dan petani2 yang tinggal di-atas tanah Brown Estate itu.

Langkah ini akan di-jalankan oleh Kerajaan daripada satu masa kapada satu masa.
sa-umpama Ahli Yang Berhormat itu juga telah pun bertanya mengapa-kah Rang Undang2 ini chuma di-hadkan kapada negeri2 di-Malaysia Barat tidak di- Malaysia Timor.

Masaalah berkenaan dengan penyewaan tanah ini telah pun di-kaji dengan bagitu rapi dan teliti di- Malaysia Barat dan sa-telah mengkaji masaalah itu dan mengetahui keadaan- nya maka itu-lah menyebabkan pehak Kementerian saya dapat merangkakan Undang2 ini untok di-jadikan Undang2 bagi penyewaan tanah.
Langkah mengkaji keadaan2 di-Sabah dan Sarawak akan di-jalankan dan sa- kira-nya mustahak kelak sama ada Undang2 ini akan di-pinda untok di- laksanakan di-Sabah dan Sarawak atau sa-kira-nya mustahak Undang2 pun baharu dapat di-chadangkan.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Untok pen- jelasan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Rang Undang2 ini telah di-ambil 10 tahun 1951 22 AUGUST 1967 1952 untok membawa ka-Rumah Yang Ber- hormat ini.
Saya berharap Menteri yang berkenaan boleh menjamin kapada Rumah Yang Berhormat ini jangan-lah mengambil 10 tahun lagi untok melak- sanakan Rang Undang2 ini ka-Sabah dan Sarawak.

Tuan Haji Mohd.
Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya dapat memberi jaminan itu sa-kira-nya per- setujuan daripada Kerajaan Sarawak dan Sabah boleh di-dapati, kerana sa- bagaimana Ahli Yang Berhormat sedia ma'alum walau pun kita luluskan Undang2 ini pada hari ini dan Undang2 ini akan di-hantar ka-Senate dan di- luluskan oleh Senate, tetapi Undang2 ini tidak akan berjalan kuat-kuasa-nya, melainkan Kerajaan2 Negeri membawa Undang2 ini ka-Majlis Meshuarat Unda- ngan Negeri masing2 dan di-luluskan di-dalam Majlis Meshuarat Undangan Negeri masing2, kerana saya suka-lah memberi tahu kapada Ahli Yang Ber hormat kuasa berkenaan dengan masa- alah tanah ada-lah di-tangan Kerajaan Negeri, bukan-nya di-tangan Kerajaan Persekutuan.
Ahli Yang Berhormat itu juga ber- tanya mengapa-kah Undang2 ini chuma di-hadkan kapada tanah2 yang bertanam padi tidak jenis2 tanaman yang lain2.

Jadi berkenaan dengan perkara ini masaalah yang sa-umpama ini boleh di- terdapat di-kawasan2 katakan chuma tanaman padi sahaja dan kita tidak mendapati-nya di-kawasan2 tanaman kelapa sawit, kelapa, atau pun kebun2 getah.

Maka oleh yang demikian tidak- lah di-fikirkan mustahak tanah2 yang di-tanam dengan lain di- masokkan di-bawah Undang2 ini.
tanaman2 Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Untok pen- jelasan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau perkara yang di-sebutkan oleh saya berbangkit tentang mengenai tananam2 kelapa sawit, kelapa, dan getah, boleh- kah Menteri mengambil langkah mem bawa Rang Undang2 saperti ini ka- Rumah Yang Berhormat ini?

Tuan Haji Mohd.

Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, manakala ada perkara2 itu berbangkit, perkara2 itu akan di-timbangkan.
Ahli Yang Ber hormat itu juga telah pun menchadang- kan, atau pun mengeshorkan supaya itu tak Bab 19 (1) ia-itu permohonan2 daripada sa-orang penyewa itu hendak-lah di- buat dengan sa-chara bertulis dan di- 'alamatkan kapada Pengerusi.

Beliau menchadangkan supaya tidak dengan sa-chara bertulis chuma berchakap mulut sahaja.
Jadi selalu-nya pada adat-nya kalau berchakap mulut boleh jadi tidak dapat di-pegang dan saya berharap-lah kapada Ahli Yang Ber hormat jangan-lah memandang rendah sa-hingga orang kampong tak tahu membacha tahu menulis, padahal masa ini kebanyakan daripada mereka dalam apa perjanjian yang di- buat di-kampong2 kebanyakan-nya ada- lah dengan sa-chara bertulis dan mana kala bertulis, dapat-lah kita pegang perjanjian2 mereka.
Kalau sa-kira-nya apa pun tak bertulis chuma chakap mulut sahaja, boleh jadi siapa juga yang berpengaroh maka orang itu akan menang pada akhir-nya.

Jadi pada tuan2 kebiasaan-nya ada-lah lebeh pengaroh daripada penyewa2 tanah, dan barangkali boleh jadi kalau sa-kira-nya tidak di-buat dengan ber tulis chuma berchakap mulut sahaja boleh jadi peladang2, atau petani2 akan teraniaya pada satu masa akan datang kelak.
tanah Fasal 20 (1) apabila di-terima satu permohonan, atau rojokan, Pengerusi hendak-lah memberi tahu kedua2 pehak dengan bertulis waktu dan tempat permohonan, atau rojokan itu hendak di-bichara.

Perkara ini saya akan mem bawa pindaan dalam masa Committee tempoh dalam Stage masa 30 hari hendak-lah Pengerusi itu kedua2 pehak memberitahu belah tempat dengan bertulis waktu dan permohonan, atau rojokan itu hendak di-bicharakan.

Itu akan di-bawa dalam Committee Stage.


ia-itu memberi Fasal 24 (1) berkenaan dengan tafsiran bab husbandry, saya rasa perkara ini tidak-lah payah kita risaukan sangat, kerana Pegawai2 Pertanian ada di- semua kawasan dan sa-kira-nya datang satu2 masaalah maka nasihat daripada Pegawai2 Pertanian itu akan di-minta oleh pehak2 yang berkuasa di-situ.

Fasal 27, dalam tegoran Ahli Yang Berhormat mengatakan fasal ini ada- rasa sangat complicated.
Saya lah 1953 22 AUGUST 1967 1954 tidak-lah bagitu complicated sa-hingga tidak dapat di-fahami atau di-jalankan.

Jadi saya rasa tidak-lah mustahak fasal itu di-pinda atau di-kaji sa-mula.

Fasal 31, ia-itu berkenaan dengan .

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Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Untok pen- jelasan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mengenai fasal ini saya meminta Menteri yang berkenaan, boleh-kah Kerajaan me- nolong petani2, atau peladang2 tentang procedure for appeal.

pertolongan Tuan Haji Mohd.
Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berkenaan dengan memberi dan bantuan kapada peladang2 ini, saya berani-lah mengaku ia-itu pehak Ke- menterian, Jabatan dan badan2 di- bawah Kementerian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama akan menolong atau membantu petani2 pada sa-tiap masa, kerana di-semua kawasan2 atau jajahan2 dan daerah2 dalam negeri ini akan di-tubohkan Persatuan2 Peladang dan Persatuan2 Peladang akan di-arah oleh saya sendiri bagi menolong semua petani2 di-dalam masaalah yang ber- hubong dengan kehidupan petani dan peladang2 dalam negeri ini.
tuan Fasal 31, ia-itu berkenaan dengan bantuan dalam masa perbicharaan sa- kira-nya tanah mengambil sa- orang loyar, atau sa-bagai-nya.

Jadi dalam perkara ini pada kebiasaan-nya, atau pun dalam undang2 ini Yang di- Pertua Committee itu ia-lah sa-orang yang berkelulusan undang2 dan saya perchaya beliau dapat menimbangkan mana yang baik, mana yang burok berkenaan dengan masaalah2 ini.
Jadi jika sa-kira-nya apa2 perkara berbangkit pada masa akan datang maka dapat-lah kita timbangkan pada masa akan datang pula.

Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Kuala Trengganu Selatan dalam uchapan-nya telah pun membawa bayangan supaya perkara2 rasuah jangan berlaku di- dalam masa membuat perjanjian antara peladang2 dan tuan2 punya tanah.
Jadi perkara ini ada-lah di-dalam pandangan yang berat oleh pehak Kerajaan dan sa-bagaimana yang saya sebutkan tadi semua badan2 pertanian yang ada dalam negeri ini akan di-minta untok memberi pertolongan dan bantuan kapada petani2 dan peladang2 dalam melaksanakan undang2 ini.

Ahli Yang Berhormat lewatkan sangat boleh jadi daripada Kuala Trengganu Selatan juga telah mengeshorkan supaya Fasal 4 (1) di- pindakan daripada 14 hari kapada 30 hari.
Saya rasa 14 hari ini ada-lah sa-kira-nya memadai kerana kalau kita ini petani2 dan akan menggendalakan peladang2 dalam usaha mereka untok menjalankan perusahaan penanaman padi kerana pada masa ini padi di- tanam dua kali sa-tahun dan per- bedzaan atau masa lapang di-antara satu musim dengan satu musim ia-lah chuma lebeh kurang sa-bulan dan pada musim yang kedua ia-lah lebeh kurang tiga bulan.
Jika sa-kira-nya di-lanjut- kan masa daripada 14 hari kapada sa- bulan, boleh jadi ini menjadi kesunto- kan masa berkenaan dengan hendak memulakan menanam padi dan per usahaan padi.

Tetapi kalau sa-kira-nya di-dapati kelak ia-itu 14 hari ini tidak memadai atau menggendalakan pe ladang2 dan petani2, saya memberi kesanggupan untok mengkaji dan me- minda sa-kira-nya mustahak.

itu fasal itu ada-lah Ahli Yang Berhormat juga mengeshorkan supaya 9 (e) di-pinda daripada masa dua minggu kapada sa- bulan.
Pada pendapat saya ini tidak- lah mustahak kerana saya rasa Ahli Yang Berhormat salah ini.

faham berkenaan dengan Dalam masa beliau mengemukakan pindaan ini beliau telah pun memberi satu chontoh, sa-kira-nya tuan tanah itu berada di-bandar maka ada-lah mengambil masa bagi peladang2 atau petani2 hendak menghantar sewa padi daripada kampong ka-bandar dan sa- bagai-nya.

Tetapi dalam undang2 ini pula di-sebutkan penyewaan di- hendak-lah tempat menuai dalam masa dua minggu sa-lepas selesai menuai.
Maka di-sini ada-lah menjadi kewajipan kapada tuan tanah untok datang mengambil sewa di-tempat menuai bukan di- bandar atau di-rumah-nya yang jauh daripada tidak.

Hendak- lah padi sewaan itu di-ambil di-tempat menuai.

Jadi di-sini saya rasa tidak- lah menjadi kesulitan kapada petani2 ladang-nya, sewa-nya di-bayar ia-itu 1955 22 AUGUST 1967 1956 untok hendak membayar sewa padi dia terpulang-lah kapada tanah datang mengambil sewa tanah-nya itu.
tuan2 Beliau juga telah pun menchadang- kan supaya stamp duty bagi perjanjian2 itu di-lepaskan.

Perkara insha' Allah saya akan berunding dengan Menteri Kewangan dan akan di-beri pertimbangan bagi masa akan datang ini.

ini Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Seberang Utara telah pun menegor Fasal 6 (1) ia-itu tiga musim.

Kata- nya, kalau sa-kira-nya di-buat tiga kali ini boleh jadi bukan tiga tahun, tetapi chuma lebeh kurang 18 bulan.

Jadi ini saya suka-lah dalam masaalah menerangkan dengan lanjut sadikit.
Kita tidak dapat hendak menghadkan berkenaan dengan sewa tanah bendang ini sa-lama sa-tahun, dua tahun atau tiga tahun, kerana musim padi tidak dapat hendak di-hadkan bila berakhir, mithal-nya bulan dua belas atau bulan sa-belas.

Ada kala-nya di-lanjutkan sampai bulan satu, bulan dua dan sa- bagai-nya.
Maka dengan sebab itu-lah di-dalam undang2 ini kita menetapkan tiga musim dan tafsiran musim itu ia- lah, kalau sa-kira-nya di-buat sa-kali sa-tahun berma'ana musim itu dari pada mula kita bekerja membuat bendang kapada akhir-nya ia-itu sa- lepas daripada menuai.
Tetapi kalau sa-kira-nya dia tanam padi dua kali sa-tahun berma'ana-lah daripada tarikh awal kita membuat tanaman musim pertama kapada akhir tuaian padi musim kedua, jadi berma'ana-lah dua kali penanaman padi itu di-kira sa- bagai satu musim sahaja.

Jadi dengan keadaan yang demikian itu saya per- chaya ada-lah lebeh sesuai di-sebutkan 3 musim daripada di-sebutkan 3 tahun dan di-tetapkan tarikh-nya, kerana itu tidak dapat di-buat di-dalam menentu- kan musim padi.
Beliau juga telah pun berasa ragu2 berkenaan dengan perjanjian2 luar dan sa-bagai-nya.

Jadi perjanjian luar itu tidak di-buat kerana semua sa-kali ada- lah di-tulis di-dalam surat perjanjian.

Tetapi kalau sa-kira-nya berlaku juga boleh-lah peladang2 atau petani2 mem buat aduan dan kita akan mengambil tindakan yang sewajar-nya.
Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Seberang Utara juga telah pun menegor berkenaan dengan sewa tanah yang di- tetapkan itu ada-lah sangat kechil, kalau sa-kira-nya di-bandingkan de ngan keadaan di-Pulau Pinang, tetapi di-dalam undang2 ini pada Fasal 11 (2) kita ada meletakkan satu sharat ia-itu sewa2 tanah yang terdapat di-schedule itu boleh di-pinda sa-kira-nya di- persetujui sama oleh saya sendiri.

Jadi ini membolehkan sewaan2 itu sama ada hendak di-naikkan, atau di-kurangkan daripada satu masa ka-satu masa.
Tetapi, sewaan yang ada pada Schedule ini ada-lah di-tetapkan ber- dasar kapada pendapatan padi yang ada pada hari ini, ya'ani pukul rata pendapatan padi kebangsaan ia-lah lebeh kurang 450 gantang.

Jadi, kita tetapkan bagi tanah first class, atau perengkat yang pertama 140 gantang, tetapi kalau sa-kira-nya pendapatan padi kita kelak sa-chara pukul rata dapat lebeh daripada 1,000 gantang maka pada masa tentu sewaan padi itu akan terpaksa kita memberi pertimbangan lain pula.
itu sudah Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Melaka Selatan mengeshorkan supaya itu hendak-lah lantekan Pengerusi dengan betul2 supaya Pengerusi2 itu dapat menjalankan tugas2 yang baik.

sudah-lah Jadi tentu menjadi ini kebiasaan, ia-itu kita menchari pe- gawai2 yang berkelulusan yang mem- punyai pandangan yang luas dan dapat memberi timbang rasa yang baik ka pada kedua2 pehak dalam masa kita melantek Pengerusi2 bagi lembaga ini.
Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Sungai Petani telah pun memikirkan berkenaan dengan Undang2 Penanaman Padi, Mengawal Sewa dan Menjamin ini tidak di-laksanakan Pemegangan di-negeri Kelantan.

Sa-bagaimana yang saya telah terangkan pada mula tadi, Undang2 ini tidak dapat di-laksanakan melainkan negeri itu sendiri membawa ka-dalam Majlis Meshuarat Undangan Negeri masing2 dan meluluskan-nya.

Manakala ter- pulang kapada negeri itu sendiri men- jalan dan melaksanakan Undang2 ini.
Chuma di-dalam Undang2 yang baru ini telah di-lulus maka 1957 22 AUGUST 1967 1958 ada dua bab sahaja di-mana saya dapat champor tangan sadikit sa-banyak.

Yang pertama sa-kali ia-lah untok hendak meminda sewa2 tanah dan yang kedua ia-lah berkenaan dengan lante- kan dan tanggong-jawab enforcement officers, atau pun pegawai2 menguat- kuasa.

Jadi, yang dua ini sahaja yang ada kait-mengait dengan Kementerian saya, tetapi sa-lain daripada itu ada-lah kerja2 yang mesti di-laksanakan oleh Kerajaan Negeri masing2.
itu Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah (Kelantan Hilir): Saya minta penje- lasan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, daripada Yang Berhormat Menteri sa-kira-nya Kerajaan Negeri terpaksa meluluskan Rang Undang2 ini di-dalam Majlis Meshuarat Undangan Negeri oleh kerana sebab hendak berhutang-kah atau apa2-kah, maka soal yang di- bangkitkan oleh wakil daripada Sungai Petani terpaksa Kerajaan negeri meluluskan Rang Undang2 ini, walau pun perkara itu akan menyebabkan tanah Malay Reservation itu terlepas masok ka-tangan yang bukan orang Melayu.
Jadi ini ia-lah satu point yang paling penting yang saya menyokong penoh yang telah di-bangkitkan oleh tadi, wakil daripada Sungai Petani kerana kita tahu sa-kira-nya Kerajaan Negeri hendak meminta hutang untok kerana tali ayer-kah, atau irrigation- kah atau apa2-kah, di-sharatkan hutang itu tidak boleh di-beri kapada Kera jaan Negeri, melainkan sa-kira-nya Kerajaan Negeri itu meluluskan Rang Undang2 ini.

Jadi, ketika itu apa-kah satu jalan untok hendak menyelamat- kan tanah Malay Reservation tadi?
Tuan Haji Mohd.

Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: Dato' Yang di-Pertua, sa-benar- nya saya tak faham apa kehendak2 daripada Ahli ini.
Yang saya tahu apa yang di-tegor oleh Ahli daripada Kota Star Selatan tadi ia-lah Undang2 yang ada ia-itu Undang2 tahun 1955 tidak di-laksanakan Tetapi, Undang2 ini pada dasar-nya telah pun di-persetujui bersama oleh Yang Amat Berhormat Menteri Besar Negeri Kelantan, kerana saya sendiri telah semua Menteri2 berunding dengan Besar berkenaan dengan Undang2 ini dan pada dasar-nya mereka telah pun di-Kelantan.

bersetuju dengan Undang2 ini.


Chuma saya sebutkan sa-kira-nya Undang2 ini tidak di-bawa ka-dalam Majlis Me shuarat Undangan Negeri, maka tidak- lah dapat di-laksanakan mengikut Undang2 yang ada ini, dan kuasa yang hendak melaksanakan Undang2 ini bukan-lah dudok di-tangan Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama, atau Menteri Tanah dan Galian, tetapi ada- lah dudok di-tangan Kerajaan Negeri masing2.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Untok penjelasan.

Soal yang saya bangkitkan tadi sangat-lah mudah dan terang.
Terang-nya bagini, sunggoh pun pelaksanaan Rang Undang2 ini dudok- nya di-dalam tangan Kerajaan Negeri dan Kerajaan Negeri boleh tidak melaksanakan Rang Undang2 ini, tetapi oleh kerana satu2 sebab, ia-itu Kera jaan Negeri terpaksa meminta hutang daripada mana pehak juga untok hen dak mengadakan irrigation, atau tali ayer dalam negeri yang tersebut dan di-sharatkan bahawa hutang ini tidak boleh di-berikan kapada Kerajaan Negeri yang tersebut, melainkan Kera jaan Negeri itu melaksanakan Rang Undang2 terpaksa ini.
Jadi, apabila Kerajaan Negeri melaksanakan Rang Undang2 ini, walau pun pelaksanaan itu akan melibatkan yang di-katakan Malay Reservation, maka ketika itu soal yang di-bangkitkan oleh wakil daripada Sungai Patani memang kena pada tempat-nya.

Tuan Haji Mohd.

Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perkara yang di-bangkitkan Mr Speaker: {Kapada Tuan Haji tak Faham-kah, Mohd.

Ghazali) faham ?

Tuan Haji Mohd.

Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: Faham.

Mr Speaker: Saya (Ketawa).

tak faham Tuan Haji Mohd.
Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: Perkara yang di-bangkitkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Sungai Patani itu ada-lah satu perkara yang debatable, atau pun boleh di-binchang- kan kerana perkara itu ada-lah terikat kapada Undang2 Malay Reservation, 1959 22 AUGUST 1967 1960 ia-itu tanah2 dalam Malay Reservation tak boleh di-sewakan kapada sa-siapa jxiga yang bukan di-ta'arifkan sa-bagai orang Melayu, tetapi ada Negeri yang membenarkan penyewaan sa-lama tiga ia-itu mengikut Undang2 tahun, itu.
Tetapi, ini masa kita membuat Bill ini, kita tidak menyangkakan di-Kelantan sana mithal-nya banyak tanah2 itu di- sewakan kapada orang lain daripada tanah2 yang dalam orang Melayu, Malay Reservation.
Tidak ada terlintas di-fikiran, atau di-kepala saya sama sa-kali, tetapi kalau sa-kira-nya perkara itu ada, ia-itu tanah2 yang ada dalam Malay Reservation di-Kelantan ke- banyakan telah di-sewa kapada orang lain daripada orang Melayu, maka dapat-lah saya membinchangkan, atau merundingkan dengan perkara pehak yang kerkenaan Kerajaan Negeri juga pegawai2 Kelantan sendiri dan undangan2 sama ada chara mana dapat di-elakkan, kalau sa-kira-nya mustahak di-pindakan Undang2 ini untok mense- suaikan kehendak negeri Kelantan supaya tanah yang ada dalam negeri Kelantan, tanah yang ada Malay Reser vation terlepas ka-tangan orang lain, kita akan bawa pindaan kerana untok kebajikan dan kebaikan ra'ayat yang ada dalam negeri itu.
Jadi, perkara itu dapat di-rundingkan, dapat- lah saya membuat kesanggupan men- jalankan rundingan berkenaan dengan perkara itu.

tidak itu, ini Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah (Hilir Perak): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sebab saya tak faham juga tadi sa- bagaimana Dato' Yang di-Pertua, ia- itu mengikut keterangan daripada Yang tadi dapat kita Berhormat Menteri fahamkan bahawa reservation tanah yang ada di-negeri Kelantan itu tidak termasok dalam fikiran dia hendak di- gadaikan kapada orang yang bukan Melayu.
Kalau saya tak salah, saya daripada Yang minta Berhormat Menteri, seluroh tanah dalam negeri Kelantan itu ia-lah di-ta'arifkan dalam Malay Reservation, sama ada di-buka atau tidak di-buka, maka tanah Malay Reservation.

Jadi, bagaimana kedudokan-nya tanah yang telah di- gadaikan oleh Kerajaan PAS negeri itu di-namakan penjelasan tanah ia-itu Kelantan sa-banyak 375,000 ekar itu ada-kah dia telah melanggar peratoran itu; itu yang saya tidak faham.
Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Soal gadai itu tidak berbangkit, tetapi oleh kerana wakil daripada Hilir Perak itu tidak mengerti dan faham soal ini, sebab soal itu-lah di-keluarkan-nya gadai.

Soal gadai telah di-bahathkan, sa-jelas2-nya kami terangkan dalam Rumah yang mulia ini.

Tidak berbangkit lagi.

telah Mr Speaker: Tetapi sudah di-bang- kitkan-lah pada masa ini.

(Ketawa).

Tuan Haji Mohd.


Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Fasal 7 (2), pilehan untok membaharui sa- suatu perjanjian sewa hendak-lah di- buat tidak lewat daripada dua bulan itu sa-belum habis tempoh perjanjian dengan memasokkan satu notis kapada pendaftar mengikut bentok yang di- tetapkan dalam borang B ini.
Chadangan daripada Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Sungai Patani minta di-jadikan sa-chara automatic, ia-itu tidak payah di-beri tempoh, terus per janjian itu akan berjalan kuat-kuasa sa-lanjut-nya.
Tetapi perkara ini kita mesti-lah juga memikirkan kapada kepentingan dua pehak bukan sahaja satu pehak, kerana kalau sa-kira-nya kita tidak tetapkan, ia-itu chita2 atau tujuan hendak membaharui perjanjian itu di-beritahu oleh penyewa2, ke- mudian bila sampai chukup masa tiga tahun, datang si-penyewa kata, "Saya tanah."

Apa akan tak hendak buat tanah itu?


Masa sudah jadi kapada suntok, kerana sekarang sa-bagaimana saya sebutkan tadi, tempoh di-antara satu musim dengan satu musim chuma di-dalam masa dua bulan atau tiga bulan sahaja.

Kalau sa-kira-nya per- sediaan tidak di-buat daripada awal, boleh jadi tanah itu akan terbengkalai.

Bila tanah itu tidak di-buat bendang atau tidak di-tanam pula, tuan tanah pula kena saman, bermacham2 pula perkara akan berlaku.
Jadi, ada sa- tengah tempat, umpama di-Perak, di- tempat di-Lenggong, sendiri kalau sa-kira-nya tuan tanah itu tak buat bendang, tak tanam padi di-atas tanah dia, maka tuan tanah itu akan saya 1961 22 AUGUST 1967 1962 di-kenakan da'awa pula dengan sebab tak membuat padi.

Jadi, kalau sa-kira- nya perkara ini berlaku sudah tentu- lah akan menjadi kesusahan yang besar kapada tuan2 tanah.
Maka saya fikir bagi sementara, chara yang di-jalankan ini ada-lah berpatutan dan saya rasa memuaskan dan sa-kira-nya di-dapati kelak mendatangkan kesusahan yang besar kapada peladang2 atau petani2, maka kita akan memberi pertimbangan yang lain pada masa itu.

Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Sungai Patani juga, berchakap ber- kenaan dengan soal tenant dan sub tenant.
Jadi, saya rasa perkara ini-lah yang hari ini pehak Kerajaan chuba menghapuskan atau membasmikan ia- itu ada-nya sub2-tenant berselerak di- dalam negeri ini.

Jadi, kalau sa-kira- nya kita membenarkan sub-tenant ada di-dalam negeri ini, berma'ana-lah sewa tanah tadi tidak boleh di-tetapkan sa-banyak 140 gantang sa-ekar.
Mana- kala tenant mengambil tanah sa-ekar 140 gantang dan dia hendak beri pula kapada sa-orang lain untok di-sewa kapada sa-orang lain tentu-lah sewa itu akan naik daripada 140 gantang sa-kurang2 jadi 150 gantang atau 160 gantang.
Kemudian sub-tenant itu pula ambil lagi beri kapada orang lain pula, di-naikkan jadi 180 gantang, Kemudian tuan2 akhir-nya kita tanah akan mempunyai beberapa orang tenant dan sub-tenant di-bawah-nya dan yang penghabisan sa-kali orang yang bekerja peladang2 dan petani2 teraniaya dan akan di-tekan akan dengan itu senang sahaja kalau di-benarkan sub tenant dalam undang2 kita chukup ini saya senang hendak buat.

Hari lantek Enche' "A" di-jadikan tenant saya—ambil tanah 140 gantang sa- ekar.
Dia pula beri kapada "B" 160 gantang, " B" beri kapada "C" 180 gantang.

Akhir-nya "D" dapat dengan harga 200 gantang.

Jadi, dengan sebab itu-lah kita tak hendak mem benarkan perkara yang sa-umpama ini berlaku, ia-itu kita berkehendak semua sa-chara tuan tanah dengan penyewa, dan sewa-nya tidak boleh lebeh daripada 140 gantang.

tanah.

Jadi, kita boleh kawal harga Kalau sa-kira-nya kita membenarkan terok-nya.

Jadi, perkara terus, ia-itu di-antara akan dapati sub-tenant, kita mengawalkan harga sewa tanah.
tidak dapat hendak tuan tanah tidak boleh Tuan Mohamed Zahir bin Haji Ismail: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak berchakap sadikit.

Pada fikiran saya tidak mungkin jadi sa-macham itu dengan kerana jikalau sa-kira-nya sub-tenant itu mengambil sewa yang lebeh, dia akan melakukan kesalahan ini sa-bagai juga.

Sewa telah pun di-tetapkan di-dalam undang2 ini, dia lebeh daripada apa yang telah di-tetapkan di-bawah Jadual yang tersebut di-dalam perkara ini.
Dan lagi pula berkenaan dengan tidak ber perkara chakap bersangkut dengan, kata-lah, sa-orang si-penyewa itu hendak ka- luar negeri, umpama-nya dalam enam bulan, kemudian dia tidak boleh hendak bagi kapada kawan-nya me- nolong-nya.

Undang2 terlampau ketat.

Katakan-lah dia jadi jikalau dia tidak ada anak yang besar yang boleh menolong dia, dia panggil meminta pertolongan kawan-nya mem buat sawah itu pun berchanggah dengan sekshen 9 (b) ini.

ini, Menteri sakit, itu ini supaya Tuan Haji Mohd.


Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan sebab Ahil Yang Berhormat tadi telah di-benarkan pun meminta penyewaan daripada tenant ka-sub- tenant, saya rasa saya tidak silap.

Jadi itu-lah sebab-nya saya sebutkan ber kenaan dengan sub-tenant ini kita tidak dapat hendak membenarkan, kerana ini-lah tujuan undang2 ini ia-itu hendak menghapuskan segala kerja2 churang yang ada berkenaan dengan penyewaan ini.
Tetapi kalau sa-kira-nya berlaku sa-bagaimana yang di-sebutkan oleh Yang Berhormat itu, itu saya perchaya itu dapat di-bawa kapada perkara Jawatan-kuasa dan Jawatan-kuasa itu boleh menyelesaikan masaalah2 per- tikaian dan lain2 yang ada bersangkut- an dengan penyewaan tanah ini.

Jadi, tidak dapat kalau hendak sebab undang2 itu ketat, maka saya akan memberi pertimbangan lagi berkenaan dengan itu dan sa-kira-nya mustahak di-pinda, kita akan pinda, bagi masa yang akan datang.
di-jalankan sa-kira-nya dengan itu 1963 22 AUGUST 1967 1964 saya tanah, tuan2 perkara ini terpaksa, Sa-perkara lagi yang di-bawa oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu ia-lah Fasal 10 berkenaan dengan sewa yang di-kutip pada tiap2 tahun.

Beliau meng- supaya undang2 shorkan ini dapat menentukan ia-itu sewa boleh di-ambil dua atau tiga tahun terlebeh dahulu.
Jadi suka-lah ini menerangkan kapada Dewan ini ia-itu maseh, atau pun ada berlaku di-dalam Negeri Pulau Pinang, ia-itu sa-siapa juga yang hendak menyewa sa-keping ia-itu tanah pada hari tuan2 di-minta oleh supaya membayar sewa tiga atau empat tahun terlebeh dahulu kapada tanah dan kebanyakan daripada penyewa2 yang tidak dapat hendak membayar sewa sa-lama tiga atau empat tahun ini ada-lah di-halau keluar daripada tanah itu dan tidak di-beri tanah itu untok di-sewa.
Jadi, perkara ini ber laku dan saya rasa perkara itu juga tidak dapat hendak di-buat chara itu dengan sebab kita katakan-lah satu mithal tahun itu padi baik, kita mem bayar sewa dengan 140 gantang sa- ekar, tetapi tahun hadapan padi rosak, tidak baik; ada-lah tidak menasabah yang penyewa mesti juga membayar 140 gantang itu-lah sa-ekar.

sebab-nya kita menetapkan sewa tanah tahun bukan-nya di-ambil ini tiga sa-bagai tahun empat pendahuluan atau sa-bagai-nya.
tiap2 Jadi, atau Tuan Mohamed Zahir bin Haji Ismail: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, fikiran saya tadi bukan-lah hendak memaksa penyewa itu bersetuju, jikalau sa-kira- nya kita buat satu sharat yang mem- bolehkan penyewa itu sendiri dengan tidak payah di-paksa, dengan per- setujuan dia sendiri.
Kata-lah hendak buat sewa untok 10 tahun umpama- nya, maka dia membayarkan duit kapada tuan tanah itu kata-lah $5,000 kemudian penyewa dapat jaminan untok 10 tahun dan bukan-lah boleh, jikalau sa-kira-nya dia tidak setuju, tuan tanah itu tidak boleh memaksa saperti jawapan yang telah di-keluar- kan oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri tadi, ia membayangkan sa-olah2-nya kita hendak membolehkan tuan tanah itu— boleh memaksakan penyewa—tidak.
Chadangan saya ini biar-lah dia itu bersetuju; jikalau dia bersetuju, maka boleh-lah kedua2 pehak itu membuat perjanjian supaya penyewa itu boleh menyewa sa-hingga 10 tahun.

Yang demikian dia boleh ada ketentuan hak dan mendapat sewa tanah itu, dia tahu sudah 10 tahun dan bagi pehak tuan tanah itu pula, dia boleh dapat duit- nya hendak membuat perniagaan dan memberi pelajaran, umpama-nya.

untok itu sewa 10 Tuan Haji Mohd.


Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada kebiasaan-nya perkara itu amat sukar hendak berlaku.

Kalau sa-kira-nya kita hendak katakan penyewa bersetuju tahun hendak membayar dahulu, saya rasa susah-lah sadikit, tetapi kalau sa-kira-nya perkara sa- umpama itu ada berbangkit, saya rasa Jawatan-kuasa yang di-lantek itu kelak ber dapat memberi pertimbangan kenaan dengan yang demikian dan juga Yang Amat Berhormat Menteri Besar.
atau pun Ketua2 Menteri, saya rasa dapat memberi pertimbangan.

Sa- kira-nya tidak ada bab2 yang mem bolehkan perkara itu, perkara itu dapat pula di-timbang dan di-kaji pada masa yang tersebut.

itu jika Fasal 24 (b) yang di-mushkilkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Sungai Patani itu ia-itu ada-kah anak angkat di-sifatkan sa-bagai sa-orang ahli ke- luarga.
Jadi, saya rasa perkara itu dapat-lah di-selesaikan dengan per- kataan "sa-siapa jua", kerana di-dalam fasal sa-kira-nya penyewa tanah mati, atau tidak berdaya, atau sa-bagai-nya dengan sharat bahawa "sa-siapa jua"—anak angkat pun jadi, adek pun jadi, apa pun jadi, atau sa- orang ahli keluarga penyewa yang sa- benar2 mengusahakan itu—itu- lah qualify clause dia.

Kalau anak angkat tidak berusaha.


kata-lah bapa dia dudok di-Sungai Patani, anak angkat dia dudok bekerja di-Singapura, sudah tentu-lah agreement itu kita tidak hendak beri kapada anak angkat dia, kerana anak angkat dia itu besok bila dia dapat kerja tanah itu dia pula tidak buat bendang, dia terpaksa sewakan kapada orang lain pula.
Jadi, kalau sa-kira-nya dia sa-benar2 mengusaha itu boleh-lah memohon kan kapada jawatan-kuasa untok mendapat tanah tanah 1965 22 AUGUST 1967 1966 satu perentah memindahkan hak per- janjian sewa itu kapada-nya.

Jadi, saya rasa itu boleh-lah di-jalankan di-bawah bab yang demikian itu.

loyar Ahli Yang Berhormat itu juga ber- tidak di- tanya mengapa-kah com benarkan hadhir di-peringkat mittee, tetapi chuma di-peringkat badan pengadilan.
Jadi, saya rasa kalau sa- boleh2-nya biar-lah perkara ini tidak sampai ka-committee sa-kali pun, kalau boleh di-selesaikan oleh ketua2 kam- pong, oleh Dato' Penghulu atau sa- bagai-nya atau oleh Wakil Ra'ayat, saya rasa ada-lah lebeh baik daripada sampai ka-committee, dan di-committee pula di-situ Pengerusi-nya ada-lah sa- orang yang berkelayakan, berkelulusan Undang2 dan saya perchaya perkara itu dapat di-selesaikan lebeh baik dan tidak berpanjangan, kalau sa-kira-nya tidak ada pembela bagi mana2 pehak dan kemudian kalau sa-kira-nya tidak dapat hendak di-selesaikan pada pering- kat committee itu, baharu-lah di-bawa kapada peringkat badan pengadilan, dan di-situ baharu-lah dapat di-benar- kan pehak pembela2 atau loyar2 hadhir bagi peringkat yang tersebut.
Jadi, saya rasa, chara ini ada-lah lebeh sesuai kalau sa-kira-nya di-pandang keadaan2 di-kawasan2 bendang atau kawasan2 kampong.

Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Bungsar ia-itu telah mengeshorkan supaya tuan2 tanah yang mempunyai lebeh daripada 50 ekar di-hadkan dari pada mengambil balek tanah itu.

Jadi, saya rasa kebanyakan daripada tuan2 tanah yang ada di-dalam negeri ini ada-lah mempunyai tanah kurang dari pada 50 ekar, kebanyakan-nya 10 ekar, 8 ekar, 7 ekar dan sa-bagai-nya.
Barang- kali saya rasa kalau ada pun sa-orang berdua sahaja yang mempunyai lebeh daripada 50 ekar di-dalam negeri ini, melainkan estate2 sa-bagaimana yang saya sebutkan Bertam Estate dan Brown Estate tadi.

di-jualkan Ahli Yang Berhormat itu juga telah pun mengeshorkan supaya tanah2 yang hendak-lah hendak chuma di-jual atau di-beri keutamaan kapada penyewa2 sa-bagaimana di- negeri Jepun dan negeri lain2.

Perkara itu insha' Allah saya akan mengkaji dan menimbangkan-nya.
itu Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Bachok telah pun mengeshorkan ia-itu section 4 (2) supaya di-beri peluang ini kapada penyewa2 juga.

Jadi, perkara itu saya telah pun terangkan ia-itu ini ada-lah dengan sebab kesuntokan masa.
Clause 4 (2) berbunyi: "Walau apa pun peruntokan2 sekshen- kechil yang di-atas itu, Pendaftar boleh melanjutkan masa untok pendaftaran sa-suatu perjanjian sewa jika ia puas hati bahawa sebab-nya perjanjian itu tidak di-serah untok di-daftarkan dalam tempoh yang di-tetapkan dalam sekshen-kechil yang di-atas itu tidak- lah kerana apa2 keengkaran di-pehak tuan- tanah."

Tetapi di-atas daripada itu di-beri juga peluang kapada penyewa2 untok men- itu.
Jadi, saya daftarkan perjanjian perchaya siapa jua yang membuat per janjian pendaftaran itu sudah tentu-lah segala keinginan-nya untok dengan mendaftarkan perjanjian itu dengan pehak pendaftar penyewa2 tanah dalam sa-sabuah negeri.

Jadi, saya rasa per kara itu tidak-lah mustahak di-pinda atau apa2 lagi.

itu dan itu, buboh baja Ahli Yang Berhormat itu minta pindaan ia-itu 6 (1) di-jadikan chuma sa-kali tanaman padi sahaja.
Saya rasa perkara ini sangat-lah tidak memuas- kan kerana ini akan mengechiwakan penanam2 padi atau penyewa2 tanah dan memberi keuntongan besar kapada tuan2 tanah.
Kalau sa-kira-nya kita membuat perjanjian sewa ini chuma sa-kali tanam sahaja, kemudian mana- telah di-buat, musim kala perjanjian sampai, penyewa tanah itu akan ber- usaha di-atas tanah itu membersehkan tanah ini, kemudian di-akhir musim kalau sa- kira-nya dia tidak dapat hendak me- nyambongkan sewa-nya itu berma'ana- lah dia akan rugi besar kerana dia terpaksa menchari lain pula, berusaha di-atas tanah yang lain pula, buboh baja di-atas tanah lain pula dan mengeluarkan wang dengan lebeh banyak.
Jadi, pada fikiran Kementerian tiga ini ada-lah masa sangat sesuai ia-itu memberi peluang bukan sahaja kapada tuan2 tanah untok me- nentukan yang tanah dia bersewa tiga juga kapada penyewa2 tahun supaya dapat dia membaiki tanah itu dan dia sendiri tahu yang dia juga akan dapat berusaha di-atas tanah itu tetapi tahun tanah 1967 22 AUGUST 1967 1968 pada musim yang akan datang sa- kurang2 tiga musim kalau sa-kira-nya kawasan itu di-tanam dua kali sa-tahun berma'ana-lah 6 musim.
Jadi ini akan memberi keuntongan peluang yang lebeh baik kapada penyewa2 tanah.
Berkenaan dengan tafsiran "pertanian yang sempurna" ia-itu di-bawah 9 (c): "Penyewa hendak-lah sa-tiap masa meng- usahakan tanah yang tersebut itu mengikut atoran pertanian yang sempurna dan hendak- lah menanggong segala belanja bagi meng- usahakan-nya;" Jadi, dalam masaalah ini tiap2 jajahan ada mengeluarkan jadual berkenaan dengan berusaha membuat bendang, musim turun ka-bendang, musim me- najak, musim menanam, merumput itu dan ini, masa buboh baja dan sa- bagai-nya.
Jadi saya rasa perkara ber kenaan tafsiran "pertanian yang sem purna" itu ada-lah sa-bagaimana yang lazim di-jalankan dan dengan nasihat yang di-beri oleh Pegawai2 Pertanian.

Jadi, saya rasa perkara itu tidak akan berbangkit; kalau sa-kira-nya berbang- kit, teraniaya atau sa-bagai-nya, perkara itu boleh di-bawa kapada Jawatan-kuasa2 dan Jawatan-kuasa2 akan dapat memberi timbang dengan menerima pula nasihat Pegawai Pertanian yang ada di-dalam kawasan masing2.
Sa-takat ini-lah sahaja dan terima saya uchapkan kaseh.

ia-itu pehak penyewa Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time.

and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr Speaker in the Chair) Clause 1 to 19 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clause 20—- Tuan Haji Mohd.


Ghazali bin Haji ingin Jawi: Tuan Pengerusi, ia-itu berbunyi meminda Fasal 20, "Apabila di-terima sa-suatu permo- honan atau rojokan, Pengerusi hendak- lah dalam tempoji tidak lewat daripada 30 hari memberitahu kedua2 pehak saya dengan bertulis waktu dan tempat per- mohonan, atau rojokan itu hendak di-bicharakanT.

Mr Chairman: Ada-kah kertas pindaan, atau tidak?


Pindaan ini saya minta Menteri yang berkenaan mem buat dalam bahasa Inggeris, sebab bahasa Inggeris kita pakai hari ini.

Tuan Haji Mohd.

Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: Tuan Pengerusi, pindaan-nya berbunyi: On receipt of an application or reference the Chairman shall within not later than 30 days notify both parties in writing of the time and place at which the application or reference shall be heard.

Amendment put, and agreed to.


Clause 20, as amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clauses 21 to 42 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

First Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Second Schedule ordered part of the Bill.

to stand Preamble ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported with amendment: read the third time and passed.
THE MINOR OFFENCES (MALAYSIA) (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading The Parliamentary Secretary to the Deputy Prime Minister (Tuan Chen Wing Sum): I beg to move that a Bill entitled "an Act to amend the Minor Offences Ordinance of the States of Malaya, Sabah and Sarawak" be now read a second time.
to Mr Speaker, Sir, as stated in the the Bill Explanatory Statement itself, this Bill seeks to amend the Minor Offences Ordinance, 1955, of the States of Malaya, the Minor Offences Ordinance of Sabah, and the Minor Offences Ordinance of Sarawak, for extending the provisions relating to offences advertisements, etc., on public or private property or defacing such property.
for affixing 1969 22 AUGUST 1967 1970 that defaced it has been found had During the recent illegal demonstra the tions, demonstrators public roads by painting slogans.

As the law stands, it is not an offence as road has not been specifically mentioned in the Minor Offences Section 15 of Ordinance applicable to West Malay is sia.
Slogan writing on roads it becoming very common and is, therefore, necessary it an to make that persons would be so offence deterred from slogan writing on roads as a means of putting across propa ganda detrimental the national security.

To further deter persons from in carrying out such activities and order to the authorities to enable it is proposed arrest such offenders, that stipulated be the punishment enhanced and that arrest be allowed without warrants.
to Under the existing law, a person guilty of an offence under Section 15 of the Minor Offences Ordinance, namely, for writing upon, defacing or marking any public building, without the consent of the owner in the case of public or private property, walls, fence or trees being chopped or painted or in any other way, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding $100.
In the the light of such offences and frequency with which they are being the committed, in punishment stipulated adequate and therefore needs to be enhanced.

It is also proposed that the existing laws applicable in Sabah and Sarawak be brought in line with the law applicable in West Malaysia.

that is clearly realised is it Sir, I beg to move.

The Assistant Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports (Engku Muhsein): Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya menyokong.
Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan izin Tuan, saya berchakap sadikit ber- kenaan dengan Rang Undang2 ini.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mengalu2- kan Rang Undang2 yang sa-macham ini, tetapi saya menguchapkan pula dukachita oleh kerana Rang Undang2 atau pun undang2 yang sa-macham ini sa-patut-nya sudah lama kita kemuka- keadaan2 kan memandang kapada yang kita telah alami sejak pilehan raya tahun 1955.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada sungutan2 yang berkata bahawa kalau-lah per- kara2 yang berlaku saperti mana tunjok perasaan baharu2 ini bukan di- lakukan oleh pehak2 daripada parti lain daripada parti yang berkuasa tentu-lah Rang Undang2 yang baik yang sa-macham ini tidak di-kemuka- kan, tetapi oleh kerana perkara2 yang berlaku ini di-lakukan oleh pehak parti lain, maka itu-lah di-kemukakan.

Ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-lah satu tidak bagitu baik kesempatan yang bagi negara kita.
tidak ada-kah Yang kedua, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, orang yang akan bersalah di-sini ia- lah barang siapa yang tidak ada kuasa terhadap harta Kerajaan atau pun tidak dengan kebenaran tuan punya hak kalau hak itu hak persaorangan.

Ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, amat-lah susah oleh kerana kalau pehak Kera kita mengetahui' jaan mudah-lah barang authority siapa mempunyai atau pun sebab pehak Kerajaan boleh mengeluarkan borang2 yang tertentu untok mereka itu membuat sa-suatu.
Mithal-nya, dalam pilehan raya, satu canvasser boleh membuat canvassing melainkan kalau ada Form (E), tetapi dalam kita hendak kapada private property consent yang di-beri consent yang dengan itu chakap sahaja, atau pun dengan ber- tulis dan ini akan menyusahkan lagi ra'ayat.

Saya bersetuju dengan Kera jaan bahawa perbuatan2 yang sa- tidak patut di-lakukan macham dalam negara kita menchonteng di- sana, menchonteng tetapi di-sini, jalan, Tuan Yang di- menchonteng Pertua, tidak itu.
Mithal- menunjokkan kesalahan nya, kalau kita hendak pergi membuat kempen hendak pergi satu jalan.

Kita tidak tahu hendak masok ka-kiri atau ka-kanan, tiba2 pehak kita ini kalau kita pasang kayu atau pun indicator yang di-plant, atau pun di-pachak bagitu boleh jadi parti lain memegang signboard tetapi kalau kita buat anak panah di-jalan itu tidak ada-lah orang hendak pergi garu meter di-atas batu itu.
Ini, Tuan pehak Kementerian itu di-tarek keluar, ini 1971 22 AUGUST 1967 1972 Yang di-Pertua, mustahak bagi sim- pang2 yang kita tidak tahu oleh kerana orang yang menjalankan kempen itu tidak kesemua orang tempatan.

Maka saya minta-lah perkara ini di-perhati- besok2 kan undang2 ini.

apabila melaksanakan kita rasa saya tahu-lah amat-lah offence-nya ini minor kata bahawa sa-tara mana.
Yang ketiga, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dan yang terakhir sa-kali mengenakan kesalahan kechil2 yang sa-macham ini sampai kapada satu masa yang satu tidak tahun patut dengan erti-kata minor offence.

ini sa-patut-nya Minor offence sa- tahun sahaja.

Kalau-lah takat satu ini berat kita memandang perkara kita membawa kapada patut-lah kesalahan lain.

Tuan jenayah yang Yang di-Pertua, boleh jadi pelawat2 akan datang ka-negara dan di-dapati undang2 criminal di-negara satu kita tahun.
Jadi, kalau major offence-nya Jadi, tidak menunjokkan ra'ayat kita terlalu degil, minor offence sa-kali Ini pun mesti kena mencherminkan bahawa negara kita ini ra'ayat2-nya tidak sopan dan tidak beradab di-lakukan dengan kekerasan.

Perkara ini sudah di-Pertua, berbangkit, Tuan Yang dalam beberapa journal law di-negeri2 luar sa-hingga capital punishment, ia- itu hukuman yang tertinggi sa-kali pun ahli2 undang2 sudah minta hendak memansokhkan, minta abolish capital punishment itu.
Jadi di-negara kita ini mengamalkan sa- macham itu juga ia-itu capital punish ment hendak kita memikirkan memansokhkan.

Saya tidak berchakap dari segi hukum ugama atau pun hukum apa, tetapi yang saya maksud- kan ia-lah minor offence di-negara kita ini tidak-lah patut hukuman-nya sam pai sa-tahun.

dan mesti-lah falsafah tahun.


yang satu di-Pertua, Tuan Yang dalam undang2 saya perchaya bahawa satu tahun itu menjadi maximum dan ada-lah ke- bukan minimum dan bebasan kapada tuan hakim memileh di-antara yang tinggi dengan rendah dan di-sini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, akan bermain-nya perkara2 yang tidak tidak hendak menyentoh 'adil.

Saya keputusan mahkamah, tetapi sa-bagai chontoh, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya dapati ada orang2 yang di-tangkap kerana membawa senjata yang mer- bahaya.
Mithal-nya keris, atau pun badek dan hukuman-nya itu ada-lah tengkat maximum-nya dengan mini- mum-nya.

Ada orang yang di-tangkap bagitu di-kenakan hukum 3 minggu, ada yang satu bulan dan ada yang 9 bulan.

Mr Speaker: Masa sudah sampai.

Sambong sa-mula besok.

ADJOURNMENT (Motion) The Minister of Transport (Tan Sri Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menchadangkan persidangan ini di-tanggohkan.
The Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Agriculture and Co-opera tives (Tuan Thomas Kana): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon menyokong.

ADJOURNMENT SPEECH IMMIGRATION Tuan C. John Ondu Majakil (Sabah): Mr Speaker, Sir, the question of immi gration has been discussed and has caused much confusion mainly because of the fault of both the State and Federal Governments who seem to be unable to define clearly the functions of their respective roles in the matter.
Not long ago, the twenty point safe guards have been raised by my Party.

My Party feels that most of these safe guards, agreed to in the Inter-Govern ment and Committee meeting, embodied in the Malaysia Agreement, have been broken.

The Honourable Deputy Prime Minister made a state ment when he visited Sabah: amongst many other things, he mentioned that Immigration is a concurrent depart ment.

His implication, however, was that the Federal Government had greater power in the matter.
Mr Speaker, Sir, the I.G.C.

Report has clearly defined the Federal and State Governments on immigration.

It is clearly shown that the State should have power to restrict anyone, including West Malaysians, to the role of 1973 22 AUGUST 1967 1974 enter Sabah.

West Malaysians are allowed to come to Sabah if only they are coming on Federal matters and that can the Federal Government intervene on the entry of non-Malay sians only when the people seeking admission can consti tute security risks.
it feels that It is is is on there today labour pressure the following: shortage of there Mr Speaker, Sir, it is my contention that the Federal Government has practically taken over the control the immigration.

of Sabah's Federal Government who make deci sions, either directly or by means of unofficial the State Government.

Let me refer first to the Migration Fund Board.

It is said that it was the State Government of Peter Lo who asked for the setting up of this body.
This body was supposed to have come into existence because, we are told, there is shortage of labour in Sabah.

As far as I am aware, there is no in Sabah.

Indeed, the problem of unemployment.

However, it is interest ing to note that only labourers from West Malaysia are imported.
To me, Mr Speaker, Sir, I have reasons to the assume problem of unemployment in West Malaysia and to alleviate that problem they must send the un temporarily employed these so-called labourers are given attractive induce ments, such as, ownership of land after two years' stay in Sabah; the policy is to continue to send immigrant workers from West Malaysia, who would continue to come in indefinitely.
For those who went ahead, they need not work as labourers any more, for they have their own land afforded to them to till.

I suspect also, Mr Spea ker, Sir, that the Federal Government has purposely sent West Malaysian immigrants.

Mr Speaker, Sir, we are these not migrant workers have already joined the USNO Party.

Whilst the problem of unemployment in West Malaysia can be temporarily stopped, the un is employment problem increasing.

Right now Sabah suffers from unemployment.


There are many people interior of Sabah who want jobs.

They have not been given inducement to make them move really blind to Sabah; in Sabah to see that the in into enter cannot out from their villages.

There are also many young people who have finished the primary six education in Malay but who secondary English education and who are now in need of jobs.

What is the Government to do with these people?


Mr Speaker, Sir, not a single one of us in the UPKO Party the Migration Fund Board.

It is easy to see the reason why not one of us is included in the Committee.

If I may say so, Mr Speaker, Sir, this Migration Fund Board is suspect.

This body was created without the people's consent.

the Committee of is on if lies entirely with Now, Sir, there is another aspect of the Immigration Act that I would like to discuss.
As I said earlier, immigra tion control the Federal Government.

It is the Federal Government who puts pressure on our State officers to do things that might not be in accordance with the spirit of the 20 points.

Firms who are in need of experts, or expertise know ledge, have been victimised by the Federal Government, through the State Government, by cancelling the Work Passes of these people.
The Federal Government policy now is to have West Malaysians working in firms, or in the Government Departments in the State, the State cannot provide experts.

Firms wanting experts from outside have been requested to adver tise in West Malaysia.

A recent exam the ple of victimisation Chief Editor of a newspaper in Sabah.

This newspaper happens to be inde pendent and critical in its outlook.

Its ex-Chief Editor was a Singaporean.


He had been in Sabah for more than 7 years, long enough to qualify him to citizen.

He become applied citizenship many times, but his Work Pass was cancelled.

He was given exactly 24 leave the newspaper.

The hours the directive, of course, came from State Government, but I the think Federal Government had a hand in it.

lack Mr Speaker, Sir, we do not labourers in Sabah but we do lack experts.
I feel, Mr Speaker, Sir, that the Government must give a lot of explanation as to its past actions on the in Sabah.

I feel workers a permanent for permanent concerns that to 1975 22 AUGUST 1967 1976 Federal Government had, on many occasions, interpreted the law according to its whims and fancies and not in accordance with the letter or spirit of the Malaysia Agreement.

Thank you.
Thank you.

The Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Labour (Tuan Lee San Choon): Mr Speaker, Sir, the Hon ourable Member's speech just now consists of nothing but broad and the Central baseless I welcome Government.

However, this opportunity to make what, I hope, is a final clarification of this much talked about issue.

attacks on to the that time submitted the question of The Honourable Member has, as expected, raised the so-called 20 points.

Let me clarify the position on Inter- this.


Before Governmental Committee submitted its report, the political leaders of Sabah had at the Cobbold Commission a memorandum outlining 20 points on which they wished certain safeguards and assu rances to be made in joining Malaysia.

The Inter-Governmental Committee subsequently went through this memo randum and in the discussions in the Inter-Governmental Committee these 20 points were formally argued and negotiated.
The subsequent report of the Inter-Governmental Committee was the negotiated result of the so- called 20 points memorandum and this report was accepted in toto by all the Governments concerned.

It is quite obvious that what is relevant to us today, therefore, is not the 20 point the memorandum, but the report of and Inter-Governmental Committee the Malaysian Act and subsequent actions.
It is quite misleading and mischievous to still refer to these 20 points, and I hope that this is firmly and finally laid to rest.

Let me now deal with the Honour able Member's remarks concerning the immigration law and policy.

This matter has been dealt with adequately by our Honourable Deputy Prime Minister quite recently and I, there fore, need not dwell at length on it.
It should be sufficient for me, at this the Inter-Govern stage, to refer the mental Committee Report and to of all the the and, even subject empowers necessary after citizens of Sabah Immigration Act of 1963, which spell out the division of powers and respon sibilities between the Federal Govern the State Government on ment and the immigration.

The Immigration Act of 1963 empowers the State Government to exercise full control of entry into the State from within Malaysia.
A Malaysian citizen from West Malaysia, or from Sarawak, for instance, has no right of entry into Sabah, except with the express consent of the State Government.

He has to travel possess documents entry, cannot enjoy permanent stay in Sabah, except with the permission of the State the other hand, Government.

On Malaysian and Sarawak origin have full right of entry into West Malaysia, and they enjoy every right of permanent stay without having to obtain the Federal Govern ment's aproval.
The Immigration Act, however, Federal Government to exercise full control of entry into Malaysia from any place this, outside Malaysia.

Even however, the State Government has the final power to refuse such entry to any person, the Federal though Government might have no objections to the entry of such person.
In other words, the State Government can veto the decision of the Federal Govern ment on the entry of any person into the State, but the State Government has no power to permit the entry of any foreigner from outside Malaysia into Sabah, except after consultation with the Federal Government.

I would refer to I.G.C.

paragraph 16 the Report Immigration Act, 1963—to these provisions—as he does not appear to be fully versed with the significance of these provisions.
Con trary to what he claims, the Federal Government the into Sabah entry of non-Malaysians not only when it feels is this that necessary on security grounds but also interest.

on the grounds of national The reasons for such provisions should be fully known to him, and I am surprised that he should, at this stage, talk of the Federal Government taking away the State powers.
the Honourable Member if) (i) of intervene on even and can the in 1977 22 AUGUST 1967 1978 the He referred to the question of the Chief Editor of a newspaper in Sabah and complained that his work pass was cancelled at instigation of the Federal Government.
Let me inform the Honourable Member that the issuance of work passes is, sub to what I have stated earlier, ject completely in the hands of the State Government and section 5 (1) of the Immigration Act, 1963, very clearly empowers to refuse to issue or cancel the work pass of any person.

The decision in this case the State Government, and I am surprised that the Honourable Member, after prea and ching powers, should now complain about the State having used these powers or carried out its functions.
the State Government about State is entirely functions that of Let me now deal with his attacks on the Malaysian Migration Fund Board.

It is quite clear that his attacks on the Board are motivated entirely by the political ambitions of the UPKO, an the ambition which seeks, not for betterment of the people and the State of Sabah and the better co-operation between the Federal Governments, but merely the glory of UPKO and its leaders.
the State and then part of The Board was established in 1966 after exhaustive discussions between the Federal and State Governments and represents the co-operative efforts the two Governments.

and aims of These discussions were open and frank discussions and, I believe, the UPKO were the Alliance Government in the State.
We did not then hear even a squeak of dissatisfac tion from the UPKO members about its good reasons—as no one could deny that the establishment of the Board was an urgent necessity not only to fill the gap created by the drying up of the massive influx of outside labour into Sabah but also to man the development projects made possible by Malaysia.
establishment—for very The Honourable Member states vehemently that Sabah has no shortage of labour and that on the contrary there is a growing unemployment problem there.

This is such a flagrant Indonesian territory and mis-statement of facts that it should require no reply.

Before Malaysia, an average of no less than 10,000 workers from the Philippines entered Sabah every year.
The very fact that so many thousands of persons entered Sabah for work must in itself, surely, show that there was a heavy demand for and a serious shortage of labour in Sabah.

To quote figure: 40% of Sabah's only one mature untapped because of the stortage of labour.

remains rubber Whatever the policy might have been before independence, it was clear to every sane thinking person that such a total dependence on foreign labour cannot long continue.
If Sabah could not produce the men it required, it is only natural that the first place to look for that supply should be the rest of Malaysia.

If anyone suggests other wise, it only goes to show the sad truth the basic sense of patriotism or nationalism is lacking in that person.

that even Now, Sabah, during the discussions in the I.G.C.

asked for and obtained a certain amount of control over immigration into the State, especially immigration for Ihe purpose of employ ment.
It was realised and accepted, however, that despite this degree of State autonomy, Sabah's immigration policy should not contradict the overall national policy this regard—thus in the concurrent nature of this subject.

The Honourable Member protests that activities of the Migration Fund Board constitute a violation of this this understanding.

Let me examine more closely.


About 40% of Sabah's mature rubber remains untapped, and much of the maintenance work on estates remains unattended to, because of the shortage of labour.

Even today, 500 undocumented Filipino about workers enter Sabah per month to meet this shortage and for other things.
In addition, an average of about 300 from other countries were workers granted entry into Sabah monthly— and talks the Honourable Member glibly of there being no shortage of labour in Sabah and of the Federal to Government shutting out Sabah 1979 22 AUGUST 1967 1980 trained personnel expert and from outside Malaysia and of only workers from West Malaysia being, to use his word, "imported" into Sabah.

situation alleviating to Sabah He is upset about the migration of the workers somewhat.
unemployment May I ask him, why is he not at all concerned about Sabah relieving the unemployment problem of other coun tries by the thousands as the figures I quoted just now show?

The hyprocrisy of his argument sticks out like a very sore thumb!

Let me state categorically here and now that the Migration Fund Board is neither an imposition on an unwilling State Government, nor are the migrant workers from West Malaysia robbing even a single Sabahan of a job.
The Board was established at the invitation of the State Government as a joint Federal/State project, managed and financed by both Governments.

The Federal Government contributes 70%, while the State Government pays 30% of the cost of the Board's operations.

The Board consists of nine persons, of whom six are nominated and appoin the ted from Sabah.

The Office of Board its daily is in Jesselton and administration is overseen by the Vice- Chairman, who is the direct nominee of the State.
Does this, I ask, constitute Federal Government domination over the affairs of the Board?

He complains that UPKO does not have a seat on the Board.

I have little wonder that the State Government has not nominated an UPKO man.

I am sure that the State does not wish to see the work of the Board prejudiced by the destruc tive approach of the UPKO to its most constructive objectives.
He stated that the migrant workers are given such attractions as ownership of land while the people in the interior of Sabah are offered no such incentive.

This is a fabrication of the worst order.

Migrant workers to Sabah are offered the same, I repeat, the same wage rates as anybody else in Sabah.
They are eligible, after completion of two years' work under the Board's scheme, to participate in land settlement schemes that might be promoted by the State Government, or the FLDA, in much the same way as the other people in Sabah are eligible to do.

They enjoy no prio rity or preference in this eligibility and steps have been worked out to ensure that Under no circumstances will such workers account for more than 40 per cent or so of the settlers in any scheme.
They do not obtain land for the asking; no land held under native title is offered to them and my estimate is that there is not going to be a flood of applications from migrant workers to participate in these schemes.

In its flights of fancy and fabrication, the UPKO has alleged that very shortly there would be 20,000 West Malay sians in Sabah under the Migration Fund Board Scheme.

So far about 600 workers have been sent and the target for next year is 1,800 workers.
No West Malaysian is sent to Sabah if a Sabahan is available—the flow of such workers to Sabah and closely is carefully watched by the Controller of Immigra tion and the Commissioner for Labour there, and no employer is likely to seek if Sabahans are workers from here available.

The Board itself does not envisage that it would need to arrange for the migration of this number of West Malaysians indefinitely.

It is a to meet the transitional arrangement pressing and immediate demand.
While the UPKO might feel that it is to its advantage that the development and growth of the State should not be as it that the Federal/State is today and Government relationships should be soured up, I am sure that the people of Sabah are not foolish enough to fall into their trap.

The people of Sabah want Malaysia; they want unhampered and immediate progress, and they do not want anyone throwing a spanner into these substantial and concrete efforts.
I am satisfied that this is so and that UPKO is barking up the wrong tree in its quest for political status and power.

He complains that firms requiring experts are first requested to advertise in West Malaysia.

Far from it, Sir, the first preference goes to Sabahans; the next preference to persons from other States of Malaysia, and thereafter only to persons from outside Malaysia.
In 1981 22 AUGUST 1967 1982 any case, except for workers under the Migration Fund Board (which is con fined to the agricultural sector), no person from outside Sabah is given permanent stay in that State and are required to leave Sabah the moment a Sabahan is trained and available for the job.

Can there be anything wrong about this?

Or does UPKO prefer that non- Malaysians should be given first prio rity and allowed to stay indefinitely in Sabah?
In fact, Sir, the UPKO should thank us for ensuring that in the skilled trades and occupations, the first condi tion for entry of a non-Sabahan is that conscious effort must be made to train a local man for the job.

A work permit is extended by the Controller of Immi gration only if he is satisfied that satis factory arrangements have been made to train such local men.

He alleges that West Malaysian migrants are sent to Sabah to boost the USNO.
There was an allegation by UPKO earlier that the Migration Fund Board requires the migrant workers to join the USNO.

This charge has quite pointedly been denied by the Board as baseless and mischievous.

I have no information concerning the political leanings of migrant workers, and indeed I have no' interest in it.

Perhaps the rub is in the UPKO's suddenly trying to recruit these persons into their Party and their turning their backs to them!

I would not be surprised at all, if this were the position.
Mr Speaker: The House is now adjourned till 10.00 o'clock tomorrow morning.

Adjourned at 6.55 p.m.