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20 Thursday 26th November, 1964 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) OFFICIAL REPORT FIRST SESSION OF THE SECOND PARLIAMENT OF MALAYSIA CONTENTS ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 2705] MOTIONS: The Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) (No.

6) Order, 1964 [Col. 2722] The Customs Duties (Amendment No.
8) Order, 1964 [Col. 2723] The Currency Agreement, 1960 [Col. 2726] University of Malaya (Ahli2 Dewan Ra'ayat Di-Court of Univer sity of Malaya) [Col. 2732] BILLS: The Distribution of German Enemy Property (Repeal) Bill [Col. 2748] The Transfer of Functions (Registrar-General of Sarawak) Bill [Col. 2754] The Warrants and Summonses (Special Provisions) Bill [Col. 2759] The Education (Amendment) Bill [Col. 2764] The Elections (Amendment) Bill [Col. 2786] The Parliament (Members' Remuneration) (Amendment) Bill [Col. 2788] WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 2795] DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, A .
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N ., PENCHETAK KERAJAAN KUALA LUMPUR 1965 MALAYSIA DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) Official Report First Session of the Second Dewan Ra'ayat Thursday, 26th November, 1964 The House met at Ten o'clock a.m.

PRESENT: „ „ „ „ „ „ The Honourable Mr Speaker, DATO' CHIK MOHAMED YUSUF BIN SHEIKH ABDUL RAHMAN, S.P.M.P., J.P., Dato' Bendahara Perak.

the Prime Minister, Minister of External Affairs and Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, Y.T.M.

TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M.


(Kuala Kedah).

the Minister of Home Affairs and Minister of Justice, DATO' DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N.

(Johor Timor).

the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' TAN SIEW SIN, J.P. (Melaka Tengah).

the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, DATO' V. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N.

(Sungai Siput).

the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, ENCHE' MOHAMED KHIR JOHARI (Kedah Tengah).

the Minister of Health, ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah).
the Minister of Education, ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BII^ HAJI TALIB, P.J.K.

(Kuantan).

the Minister for Welfare Services, TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT ALI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang).

the Minister of Labour, ENCHE' V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K.

(Klang).

the Minister of Information and Broadcasting, ENCHE' SENU BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Kubang Pasu Barat).

the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara).
the Assistant Minister of National and Rural Development and Assistant Minister of Justice, ENCHE' ABDUL-RAHMAN BIN YA'KUB (Sarawak).

the Assistant Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, ENCHE' SULAIMAN BIN BULON (Bagan Datoh).

the Assistant Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ABDUL KADIR, J.M.N., S.M.T., P.J.K.

(Trengganu Tengah).

the Assistant Minister of Education, ENCHE' LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Sepang).
(Sepang).

„ „ „ „ „ „ „ 2699 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2700 „ The Honourable ENCHE' ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N.

(Melaka Utara).

ENCHE' ABDUL KARIM BIN ABU, A.M.N.

(Melaka Selatan).

WAN ABDUL KADIR BIN ISMAIL, P.P.T.

(Kuala Trengganu Utara).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAHIM ISHAK (Singapore).

WAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN DATU TUANKU BUJANG (Sarawak).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAUF BIN A. RAHMAN, K.M.N., P.J.K.

(Krian Laut).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSSIN (Lipis).


„ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN GUL AHMAD MIANJI (Pasir Mas Hulu) Y.A.M.

TUNKU ABDULLAH IBNI AL-MARHUM TUANKU ABDUL RAHMAN, P.P.T.

(Rawang).

TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH B N HAJI MOHD.

SALLEH, A.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S.

(Segamat Utara).

ENCHE' ABU BAKAR BIN HAMZAH (Bachok).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N.

(Muar Utara).

ENCHE' ALI BIN HAJI AHMAD (Pontian Selatan).

DR AWANG BIN HASSAN, S.M.J.

(Muar Selatan).

ENCHE' AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam).


ENCHE' E. W. BARKER (Singapore).

ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N.

(Kluang Selatan).

ENCHE' CHAN SEONG YOON (Setapak).

ENCHE' CHAN SIANG SUN (Bentong).

ENCHE' CHEN WING SUM (Damansara).

ENCHE' CHIA CHIN SHIN, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

ENCHE' CHIA THYE POH (Singapore).

ENCHE' CHIN FOON (Ulu Kinta).

ENCHE' C. V. DEVAN NAIR (Bungsar).

ENCHE' EDWIN ANAK TANGKUN (Sarawak).

TUAN SYED ESA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S (Batu Pahat Dalam).
DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI ABDUL MAJID (Johore Bahru Timor).

DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N.

(Jitra-Padang Terap).

ENCHE' HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Kapar).

ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD.

YUNUS, A.M.N., J.P. (Kulim Utara).

ENCHE' HANAFIAH BIN HUSSAIN, A.M.N.

(Jerai).

ENCHE' HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Baling).

WAN HASSAN BIN WAN DAUD (Tumpat).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN T O' MUDA HASSAN, A.M.N.

(Raub).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN SULAIMAN (Ulu Kelantan).


TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN (Kota Bharu Hulu).

ENCHE' IKHWAN ZAINI (Sarawak).

26 NOVEMBER 1964 2702 ENCHE' IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah).

ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan).

ENCHE' JEK YEUN THONG (Singapore).

PENGHULU JINGGUT ANAK ATTAN, Q.M.C., A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

ENCHE' KADAM ANAK KIAI (Sarawak).

ENCHE' KHOO PENG LOONG (Sarawak).

ENCHE' K OW KEE SENG (Singapore).

ENCHE' EDMUND LANGGU ANAK SAGA (Sarawak).


ENCHE' LEE KUAN YEW (Singapore).

ENCHE' LEE SAN CHOON, K.M.N.

(Segamat Selatan).

ENCHE' LEE SECK FUN (Tanjong Malim).

DR LIM CHONG EU (Tanjong).

ENCHE' LIM HUAN BOON (Singapore).

ENCHE' LIM PEE HUNG, P.J.K.

(Alor Star).

DR MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMAD (Kota Star Selatan).

ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson).

DATO' DR HAJI MEGAT KHAS, D.P.M.P., J.P., P.J.K.

(Kuala Kangsar).

ENCHE' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA, P.M.K.

(Pasir Puteh).

ENCHE' MOHD.


DAUD BIN ABDUL SAMAD (Besut).

ENCHE' MOHAMED IDRIS BIN MATSIL, J.M.N., P.J.K., J.P. (Jelebu-Jempol).

ENCHE' MOHD.

TAHIR BIN ABDUL MAJID, S.M.S., P.J.K.

(Kuala Langat).

ENCHE' MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N.

(Temerloh).

ENCHE' MOHD.

ZAHIR BIN HAJI ISMAIL, J.M.N.

(Sungai Patani).

WAN MOKHTAR BIN AHMAD (Kemaman).

TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan).

ENCHE' MUHAMMAD FAKHRUDDIN BIN HAJI ABDULLAH (Pasir Mas Hilir).

TUAN HAJI MUHAMMAD SU'AUT BIN HAJI MUHD.


TAHIR, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

DATO' HAJI MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI ABDUL JABAR, D.P.M.S., A.M.N., J.P. (Sabak Bernam).

ENCHE' MUSTAPHA BIN AHMAD (Tanah Merah).

ENCHE' NG FAH YAM (Batu Gajah).

DR NG KAM POH, J.P. (Telok Anson).

ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Perlis Utara).

TUAN HAJI RAHMAT BIN HAJI DAUD, A.M.N.

(Johore Bahru Barat).

ENCHE' RAMLI BIN OMAR (Krian Darat).

RAJA ROME BIN RAJA MA'AMOR, P.J.K., J.P. (Kuala Selangor).

ENCHE' SEAH TENG NGIAB, P.I.S.


(Muar Pantai).

ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh).

ENCHE' SIM BOON LIANG (Sarawak).

ENCHE' SIOW LOONG HIN, P.J.K.

(Seremban Barat).

2703 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2704 The Honourable ENCHE' SNAWI BIN ISMAIL, P.J.K.

(Seberang Selatan).

ENCHE' SNG CHIN JOO (Sarawak).

ENCHE' SOH AH TECK (Batu Pahat).

ENCHE' SULEIMAN BIN A LI (Dungun).

ENCHE' TAJUDIN BIN ALI, P.J.K.

(Larut Utara).

ENCHE' TAI KUAN YANG (Kulim-Bandar Bharu).

ENCHE' TAMA WENG TINGGANG WAN (Sarawak).


DR TAN CHEE KHOON (Batu).

ENCHE' TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan).

ENCHE' TAN TOH HONG (Bukit Bintang).

ENCHE' TAN TSAK YU (Sarawak).

ENCHE' TIAH ENG BEE (Kluang Utara).

ENCHE' YEH PAO TZE (Sabah).

ENCHE' YEOH TAT BENG (Bruas).

ENCHE' STEPHEN YONG KUET TZE (Sarawak).

TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD.

TAIB, P.J.K.

(Langat).


„ „ ABSENT: The Honourable the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence, Minister of National and Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N.

(Pekan).

the Minister of Transport, DATO' HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N.

(Pontian Utara).

the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan).

the Minister for Local Government and Housing, ENCHE' KHAW KAI-BOH, P.J.K.

(Ulu Selangor).
(Ulu Selangor).

the Minister for Sarawak Affairs, DATO' TEMENGGONG JUGAH ANAK BARIENG, P.M.N., P.D.K.

(Sarawak).

the Minister of Lands and Mines, ENCHE' MOHD.

GHAZALI BIN HAJI JAWI (Ulu Perak).

the Minister without Portfolio, ENCHE' PETER LO SU Y IN (Sabah).

TUAN HAJI ABDUL RASHID BIN HAJI JAIS (Sabah).

DATO' ABDULLAH BIN ABDULRAHMAN, Dato' Bijaya di-Raja (Kuala Trengganu Selatan).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kelantan Hilir).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAAID, J.P. (Seberang Utara).


CHE' AJIBAH BINTI ABOL (Sarawak).

O.K.K.

DATU ALIUDDIN BIN DATU HARUN, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' JONATHAN BANGAU ANAK RENANG, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

PENGARAH BANYANG ANAK JANTING, P.B.S.

(Sarawak).

ENCHE' FRANCIS CHIA NYUK TONG (Sabah).

ENCHE' S. FAZUL RAHMAN, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

DATU GANIE GILONG, P.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).

ENCHE' GANING BIN JANGKAT (Sabah).

ENCHE' GEH CHONG KEAT, K.M.N.

(Penang Utara).


„ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ 2705 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2706 The Honourable DR GOH KENG SWEE (Singapore).

ENCHE' STANLEY HO NYUN KHIU, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN MOHD.

NOORDIN, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Parit).

DATO' SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, P.M.N.

(Johore Tenggara).

ENCHE' KAM WOON WAH, J.P. (Sitiawan).

DATU KHOO SIAK CHIEW, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' AMADEUS MATHEW LEONG, A.D.K., J.P. (Sabah;.

DATO' LING BENG SIEW, P.N.B.S.

(Sarawak).


ENCHE' LIM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat).

DATO' LIM KIM SAN, D.U.T., J.M.K., D.J.M.K.

(Singapore).

ENCHE' JOSEPH DAVID MANJAJI (Sabah).

ENCHE' MOHD.

ARIF SALLEH, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

ORANG TUA MOHAMMAD DARA BIN LANGPAD (Sabah).

DATO' N IK AHMAD KAMIL, D.K., S.P.M.K., SJ.M.K., P.M.N., P.Y.G.P., Dato' Sri Setia Raja (Kota Bharu Hilir).

ENCHE' ONG KEE HUI (Sarawak).

ENCHE' ONG PANG BOON (Singapore).

TUAN HAJI OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Hilir Perak).


ABANG OTHMAN BIN HAJI MOASILI, P.B.S.

(Sarawak).

ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN WOK (Singapore).

ENCHE' QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Timor).

ENCHE' S. RAJARATNAM (Singapore).

TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD.

SAID, P.J.K., J.P. (Rembau-Tampin).

ENCHE' SANDOM ANAK NYUAK (Sarawak).

ENCHE' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM (Menglembu).

DATU DONALD ALOYSIUS STEPHENS, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

PENGIRAN TAHIR PETRA (Sabah).

ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka).

DR TOH CHIN CHYE (Singapore).


ENCHE' TOH THEAM HOCK (Kampar).

PENGHULU FRANCIS UMPAU ANAK EMPAM (Sarawak).

ENCHE' WEE TOON BOON (Singapore).

ENCHE' YONG NYUK LIN (Singapore).

PRAYERS (Mr Speaker in the Chair) ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS POLICE HEADQUARTERS, SABAK BERNAM 1.
Dato' Haji Mustaia bin Haji Jabar (Sabak Bernam) asks the Minister of Home Affairs to state if he is aware that the Police Headquarters at Pekan Sabak Bernam is going to collapse into the Bernam River due to soil erosion as a result of rising tide, and if so, whether Government has any proposal to build a new Headquarters at Sabak Bernam to replace the existing one.

The Minister of Home Affairs (Dato' Dr Ismail): Mr Speaker, Sir, the Government is aware that the Bernam River is slowly eroding its banks.
There is, however, no immediate fear of the 2707 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2708 Police Station collapsing into the river.

at Sabak Bernam The construction of a new police station on another site is projected to commence some time in 1967.

ESTATE MANAGERS AND ASSIS TANT MANAGERS—POLICY OF APPOINTMENT 2.
Datin Fatimah binti Haji Hashim (Jitra-Padang Terap) asks the Minister of Commerce and Industry to state the policy of Government with regard to the posts of Estate Managers and Assistant Managers which are still held by non-Federal Citizens.

persons here in skilled jobs, initially in the building industry, and would offer such persons the chance to go to Sabah and Sarawak if they so desire.
Government also proposes to extend such training facilities to the States of Sabah and Sarawak and, as a pre the liminary step, the Chairman of Central Apprenticeship Board has these two territories and has visited had discussions with officials concerned.
the BAHAGIAN AKITEK, KEMEN- TERIAN PELAJARAN, ME- MEREKSA SEKOLAH2 YANG TERPENCHIL The Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry (Tuan Haji Abdul Khalid bin Awang Osman): Mr Speaker, Sir, all applications by foreign nationals to enter the country to work as Estate Managers and Assistant Managers or to replace existing expatriates occu pying to be these posts have now examined by the Cabinet Committee on Malayanisation in Commerce and Industry.
Such application is considered on its merits and approval is only given where the Committee is satisfied that there this country available to fill the applicant's post.

A number of the existing Estate Managers and Assistant Managers are permanent non- Federal Citizens, and by virtue of being this so, country and to obtain employment.

is no citizen of they are free to remain in residents, though TRAINING OF UNEMPLOYED PERSONS FOR WORK IN SABAH AND SARAWAK 3.
Datin Fatimah binti Haji Hashim asks the Minister for Labour to state, in view of high incidence of unemploy ment in Malaya, whether Government proposes to train the unemployed in skilled labour to afford them a chance to go to Sabah and Sarawak for vacant positions in those territories rather than recruiting skilled labour from Hong kong and other countries.

The Minister of Labour (Enche' V. Manickavasagam): Mr Speaker, Sir, extend Government has plans training facilities for the unemployed to apa 4.
Enche' Hussein bin Sulaiman (UIu Kelantan) bertanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran sunggoh pun sebab sudah di-tubohkan badan kejuruteraan di-Kementerian Pelajaran, badan ini tidak di-tugaskan untok memereksa keadaan sa-tengah sekolah2 di-tempat2 yang terpenchil yang makin hari sa- makin burok dan membaiki sekolah2 tersebut sa-belum sekolah2 itu runtoh saperti Sekolah Kuala Krai dan lain2.
The Minister of Education (Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib): Tuan bahagian Akitek Yang Kementerian Pelajaran telah di-bubar- Ihb Januari, 1963.

Dari kan pada semenjak itu pembinaan dan kerja membaiki semua sekolah2 yang di- bantu penoh ada-lah menjadi tanggong- jawab Jabatan Kerja Raya.

Wang per- untokan untok membaiki Sekolah2 Yang di-Bantu Penoh pada tahun 1964 ada-lah terhad dan Jabatan Kerja Raya tidak dapat melayan keperluan2 semua sekolah2 itu.
di-Pertua, PENSHARAH2 DI-PUSAT LATE- HAN PERGURUAN HARIAN DAN NADZIR2 BEBAS (TANGGA GAJI DAN PANGKAT) kapada Menteri 5.
Enche' Hussein bin Sulaiman ber tanya Pelajaran mengapa Pensharah2 di-Pusat Latehan Perguruan Harian (yang mana 90% daripada mereka ada-lah tiada beri- jazah) dan Nadzir2 Bebas di-beri pangkat Bahagian I dan di-bayar gaji lebeh daripada Pengelola2 Sekolah dan Penolong2 Pepereksaan Setia-usaha 2709 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2710 Tempatan, pada hal tidak ada apa2 beza pun dalam tempoh perkhidmatan dan kelulusan akademik mereka.
Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kemaso- kan ka-dalam mana2 bahagian tangga gaji yang tertentu bukan-lah bergantong sa-mata2 pada kelulusan akademik dan tempoh perkhidmatan sahaja.

Dalam perkhidmatan pelajaran pengalaman yang sa-suai dan tanggong-jawab yang sa-wajar-nya di-dalam sa-suatu jawatan itu ada-lah sama penting-nya dalam menentukan perkara2 di-atas tadi.
MENGADAKAN SEKOLAH MENENGAH KEBANGSAAN DI-KELANTAN the Honourable Member to the Budget Speech delivered by my colleague, the Honourable Minister of Finance, which dealt with at the subject of length Pioneer Industries Ordinance.

COMMON MARKET G O O D S- PUBLIC INQUIRIES IN SARAWAK 8.
Enche' Tan Tsak Yu asks the Minister of Finance to state whether the Central Government will set up public inquiries in Sarawak to find out the suitability or otherwise of future lists of Common Market Goods that might affect Sarawak so as to give the people in Sarawak a chance to make representations on their difficulties.

Sekolah Khas kapada Menteri 6.


Enche' Hussein bin Sulaiman ber- Pelajaran tanya mengapa-kah Kerajaan tidak mengada- kelas2 kan menengah jurusan Melayu di-Kelantan, tetapi di-champor dengan Sekolah Menengah Inggeris sa-bagaimana pada masa sekarang ini.

untok Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-hingga ini jumlah bilangan murid2 di-sekolah2 Menengah Kebangsaan dan Menengah Jenis Kebangsaan tidak-lah bagitu besar hingga memaksa kita mengada- kan bangunan2 sekolah yang ber- asingan.
Tetapi dengan wujud-nya pelajaran Anika Jurusan, maka pada masa akan datang mungkin di-adakan dengan banyak-nya sekolah berasingan untok pelajaran Menengah Melayu.

EXTENSION OF PIONEER INDUS TRIES ORDINANCE IN MALAYA TO SARAWAK 7.
Enche' Tan Tsak Yu (Sarawak) asks the Minister of Commerce and Industry, in view of the fact that the Sarawak Pioneer Industries Ordinance is much that of inferior in comparison with Malaya or Singapore, whether the consider Central Government will extending the Pioneer Industries Ordi nance in Malaya to Sarawak, and if so, when this will likely be, enforced.
Tuan Haji Abdul Khalid bin Awang Osman: Mr Speaker, Sir, I will refer and the businessmen items was compiled by The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan Siew Sin): Mr Speaker, Sir, it is not the intention of the Central Govern ment to institute public inquiries in Sarawak on matters concerning the establishment of the common market as this is a subject coming within the purview of the Tariff Advisory Board.
However, I would like to point out that the first list of possible common market the Board only after consultation with the Sarawak State Government as well as with other interested persons in Sarawak.

It should also be noted that one of the Deputy Chairman was appointed on the joint nomination of the State Governments of Sarawak and Sabah.

In addition, two prominent persons from Sarawak are part-time members of the Board.
As a result of this, the interests of the people of Sarawak, in so far as the establishment of the common market is concerned, should be adequately safeguarded.

I would also like to add that the Chairman and Deputy Chair in man visited Sarawak and Sabah July last and had discussions with manufacturers and businessmen.

While there, they to took inspect factories in both States.

the opportunity IMPORT LICENCE Q U O T A- SARAWAK 9.
Enche' Chia Chin Shin (Sarawak) asks the Minister of Commerce and for Industry the necessity to state I 2711 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2712 import importers in Sarawak having to apply licence quota on goods for imported from Singapore, in view of the fact that Singapore dealers have already applied licence for quota into Malaysia, vide Government Gazette Notification on 24th October, 1964, under the Customs Ordinance.
import including the specific Tuan Haji Abdul Khalid bin Awang Osman: Mr Speaker, Sir, in order to licensing and implement quotas imposed by the Government to prevent speculative imports, Malaysia is divided into six customs areas, namely, Malaya, Sabah, Sarawak, Singapore, Penang and Labuan.

Each custom area is required to maintain licensing of imports of foreign goods from all sources transfers from other customs areas in Malaysia.
Licences for imports into each of the six customs areas are valid for that area alone.

It follows, therefore, that importers to apply for licences to import goods into Sarawak regardless of the source of the goods.

It is not correct to say that Singapore dealers are to apply for import licences into Malay sia.

When there is uniform quantitative in all customs areas, no restrictions licences for movement of goods between areas will be necessary.
This will be possible as soon as the machinery is built up to deal with import licensing.

in Sarawak will have required Datin Fatimah binti Haji Hashim: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon belas kasehan Yang Berhormat Menteri itu terangkan dalam bahasa kebang- saan.

Mr Speaker: Honourable Members, in view of the trouble we have been having with our loudspeaker system, the sitting is suspended for half an hour.

Sitting suspended at 10.20 a.m.


Sitting resumed at 10.50 a.m. (Mr. Speaker in the Chair) Mr Speaker: Yang Berhormat Datin Fatimah.

Datin Fatimah binti Haji Hashim (Jitra-Padang Terap): Yang mana satu?

Mr Speaker: Your supplementary question.

Datin Fatimah binti Haji Hashim: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sunggoh pun Majlis ini di-benarkan mengguna dua bahasa, tetapi oleh sebab Menteri yang berkenaan boleh berchakap Melayu, maka saya memohon kapada Menteri yang berkenaan itu menjawab dengan bahasa kebangsaan.
Tuan Haji Abdul Khalid bin Awang Osman: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, oleh sebab Yang Berhormat yang menyoal- kan soalan itu ia-lah sa-orang yang tidak dapat bertutor di-dalam bahasa faseh-nya, maka kebangsaan dengan sebab itu-lah pada masa saya men jawab itu saya fikir "translation" kita ini berjalan.

Jadi, kalau Tuan Yang tidak mustahak di-Pertua itu, tidak saya membuat mengapa-lah.
terjemahan fikirkan IMPORT LICENCE Q U O T A- EXEMPTION FOR SARAWAK IMPORTERS (SARAWAK) 10, Enche' Chia Chin Shin (Sarawak) asks the Minister of Commerce and Industry to state whether it is possible from to exempt Sarawak applying for import licence quota on goods imported from Singapore which was imposed recently.

importers Tuan Haji Abdul Khalid bin Awang Osman: Mr Speaker, Sir, the answer is "No".
It would not be possible to exempt from applying for import licences on goods imported the quota for Singapore is based on 1963 retained imports.
from Singapore since importers Sarawak Enche' Tan Tsak Yu: Mr Speaker, Sir, in view of the fact that, after the list of common market goods has been finalised, there will be no restriction on the movement of goods among the territories in Malaysia—as a matter of fact, it does not matter whether the goods are stocked in Singapore or in Sarawak—will the Minister concerned enlighten us as to why it is necessary to the restriction of goods imported into Sarawak now?
impose Tuan Haji Abdul Khalid bin Awang Osman: Mr Speaker, Sir, the answer to 2713 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2714 that question was embodied in my answer to question No.

9 and, with your permission, Sir, I wish to repeat that answer which reads, "In order to implement the specific licensing and quotas imposed by the Government to " prevent speculative imports As you are well aware, Sir, the Tariff Advisory Board is now studying a list of items under the common market.
Public enquiries are now being made and, to prevent speculative imports, the Government finds it very necessary and important to have this restriction.

Enche' Tan Tsak Yu: Sir, the Honourable Assistant Minister has not answered my question.

Tuan Haji Abdul Khalid bin Awang Osman: I think I have answered his question, Sir.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu): Mr the Honourable Speaker, Sir, will Minister tell us how many qualified Peace Corps volunteers have been seconded to the Borneo territories to teach in Science and Mathematics subjects?

Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: Sir, I need notice of that ques tion.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Sir, the Honourable Minister has mentioned that these agencies have been made use of by the Government.

So, would it not be possible, since he has mentioned them, for him to enlighten this House?
Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: I do not know the number, Sir.

SHORTAGE OF TEACHERS FOR SCIENCE AND MATHEMATICS IN SECONDARY SCHOOLS, SARA WAK 11.
Enche' Chia Chin Shin asks the Minister of Education to state if he is aware there is a shortage of teachers for Science and Mathematics subjects the Aided and Unaided Senior in the State Secondary Schools under Education policy and whether Colombo Plan Aid could be sought for assistance to recruit more teachers to meet the demands of the schools in Sarawak.
in Sarawak suitable for graduates teachers particularly Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: Mr Speaker, Sir, the shortage of secondary in schools, Science and Mathematics subjects, is fully appreciated, and the Honourable Member will be pleased to know that the Sarawak Department of Educa is already making full use of tion Colombo Plan, Overseas Service Aid Scheme, Commonwealth Co-operative Supply of Teachers Scheme, Voluntary Service Overseas, Peace Corps volun teers and other similar agencies to help relieve the acute shortage.
While the extreme shortage exists in Government and Aided Schools, no help from these schemes is possible for Unaided schools.

LOW-COST HOUSING FLATS Occupation by Original Applicants 12.

Enche' C. V. Devan Nair (Bungsar) asks the Minister for Local Govern ment and Housing whether he will state the number of low-cost housing flats which are occupied at the moment by the original applicants.
The Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications (Dato' V, T. Sambanthan): Mr Speaker, Sir, I take it that the Honourable Member means the Federal Capital.

If so, the figure is 1,199 original occupants.

LOW-COST HOUSING FLATS Occupation by persons in Higher Income Groups—Complaints 13.
Enche' C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing whether he is aware of complaints that several of these low- cost flats intended for persons in the lower income groups are occupied by persons in the higher income brackets and whether he will take immediate measures to prevent such abuse.

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: Mr Spea ker, Sir, I have not received any specific complaints of persons in the higher in low-cost flats which have been built with Federal loan funds.
If there is income brackets living 2715 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2716 any such case where such flats have been allocated to persons outside the category for whom low-cost flats are intended, and if the matter is reported to me with specific data, shall certainly take appropriate steps with the State Government or Municipality concerned.
I for reports Enche' C. V. Devan Nair: Mr Spea ker, Sir, would the Minister, instead of to be made, waiting consider instituting an investigation as to whether or not low-cost flats are, in fact, occupied by people in the higher income brackets.

I ask this because there are complaints that such, in fact, is the case.

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: In actuality.


Sir, the procedure adopted by the various Municipalities is that they have Housing Supervisors or these Super Housing Visitors, and visors make routine checks of these flats and wherever they find anything untoward or out of ordinary, they take action.

Under such supervisory facili ties, a number of persons who had given wrong information, or who had contravened tenancy agreements, have, in fact, been ejected.
the Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, is the Minister aware that some of the tenants of these low-cost housing flats own not small but quite big cars?

In view of the fact that the Minister has said that some have been found to be not what they should be, will the Minister enlighten this House as to the actual number who have been asked to leave these flats because their in comes exceed what is required?

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: For his information.


Sir, I would state that 22 the were evicted and about 205 of original tenants have vacated the flats on their own accord.

Enche' C. V. Devan Nair: Sir, what I was trying to get from the Minister was a concrete assurance at to whether he would consider sending out investi gating terms of reference to establish as to how many persons in the higher income brackets lower are income flats.
Could an investigation be in actual occupation of teams with specific made with reference?

those specific terms of it is Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: The posi tion is that the Federal Government gives loans for the building of these flats.

At the initial allocation of flats, the Federal Government is represented by a member.

Thereafter, the responsibility of the various Munici palities to look after the supervision and the running of these flats.
I feel the Federal Government were to if interfere unduly, the Municipalities would not take kindly to this inter ference.

The only thing the Federal this has Government could do—and been done—is to request the various Municipalities to see that these are run in proper manner.

Surely, under the running of the Honourable Member does not expect that the Federal Government should take over the Municipality and run these flats themselves!
local authority, the Enche' C. V. Devan Nair: Mr Spea ker, Sir, the Minister misunderstands me.

I do not ask that he should interfere with the powers of the local in Municipalities and so forth.

But respect of the responsible Central Government for—and the figure which he has given is only in respect of flats which come under its jurisdiction—would he insti tute an investigation into those areas?
those areas, where is Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: I can pass the Honourable the observations of Member on the various Munici palities and suggest to them that they may enquire into these facilities.

to Dr Tan Chee Khoon: I think the Acting Minister of Local Government and Housing has missed the point.
I think what the Honourable Member for Bungsar has tried to indicate is that he is referring specifically to Kuala Lumpur and since the Federal Capital comes within the Ministry of Local Government and it would not be Housing, improper for the Minister concerned to make known to the Municipality this request.
So far as Penang, Ipoh and the other Municipalities are concerned, I think it is justifiable to say that there should be no undue interference, but the portfolio of surely 2717 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2718 the Ibu Kota comes within the port folio of the Minister concerned.

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: I think the Member for Batu has slightly mis the interpreted Honourable Member, the Honourable Member from Singapore I .

.

.. think suggested of because intention the Enche' C. V. Devan Nair: Bungsar!
Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: The Mem ber for Bungsar—sorry, because of the frequent change of places, I don't know (Laughter).

Now, the Member for Bungsar suggested that his was a general question aimed at everybody and therefore I was replying in general principles.

However, the Member for Batu is slightly wrong when he said that we are in full control over the Municipality.

The Municipality has its own functions and it looks after even the Federal Capital.
I cannot, of course, interfere unduly in the running of the Federal Capital.

You might remember, Mr Speaker, that in the past various questions have been asked about the running of these fiats and even I remember correctly, had mentioned it some time ago and then the Minister of Local Government and Housing had asked him to give specific cases there was where he thought something wrong; but, apart from speaking, he has not until now, to my knowledge, given one such specific case.
If he finds somebody running in a Buick living in a flat, surely he could have got down the number and checked up the name of the person and then forwarded it to the Minister.

the Member for Batu, that if Dr Tan Chee Khoon: On a point of clarification.

Mr Speaker: I think the question has been fully answered.

AIR-RAID SIRENS, KUALA LUMPUR—TESTING 14.


Enche' C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing to explain, having regard to the fact that no sounds were heard during the recent test, how the air-raid sirens in Kuala Lumpur were supposed to have been tested, and would he consider an unmuffled test of the sirens in order to satisfy the public that they will be given sufficiently loud warning of an impending air raid.
Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: Sir, there was no intention that the recent test of the air-raid sirens was to be an open air test.

The test that was conducted was purely in the Telecoms Workshop to see if these sirens were serviceable.

These tests have now been conducted, and there will in fact soon be regular tests for Kuala Lumpur.

Enche' C. V. Devan Nair: Would these regular tests for Kuala Lumpur be muffled or unmuffled tests?

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: They will be regular tests—unmuffled.
LAND SURVEY DEPARTMENT, SARAWAK—SHORTAGE OF STAFF if he is aware of 15.

Enche' Edwin anak Tangkun (Sarawak) asks the Minister of Lands and Mines the shortage of staff in the Land Survey Department in the State of Sarawak, which has caused delays in the survey of lands in Development Scheme areas; and to if so, whether he proposes increase the number of existing staff.
informed by The Acting Minister of Lands and Mines (Enche' Abdul-Rahman Ya'kub): Mr Speaker, Sir, the Department of Lands and Surveys in Sarawak is a State Department and therefore staffing requirement for that Department is a State responsibility.

However, I have been the Department concerned in Sarawak that there have hitherto been no delays in the survey of land in the development areas in Sarawak.
Nevertheless, again we have that with a view to been informed coping with development work in future, action has already been taken by the State Department concerned in Sarawak to request the recruitment of six more senior Surveyors and two Survey Planning Officers and one Registrar.

2719 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2720 TRAINING OF LOCAL MEN IN THE ARMED FORCES AND FINANCIAL AID BY THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT 16.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Defence to state whether any arrangement has been made or contemplated with the British Govern ment to train local men to take over the defences of the country as soon as practicable and whether the British Government would give financial aid for such replacement equivalent or nearly equal to the amount spent by the British Government on its own forces in this country.
in their facilities The Minister of Home Affairs (Dato' Dr the Ismail): Mr Speaker, Sir, British Government is assisting us in the training of our Armed Forces personnel by seconding their officers into our Forces and by giving us training training establishments in the United Kingdom and in Singapore.

The British Govern to give us ment has also agreed financial aid in the procurment of new equipment and to subsidise the second ment of officers and the training of our personnel.
Presently the British Govern ment and ourselves are discussing the question of further financial aid.

The amount of aid now payable and will likely to be payable in the future will in no way be related to the amount the British Government is spending on its own Forces now stationed this country.

in Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Sir, I seek clarification on the question of financial aid.

Does financial aid mean outright gifts or loans to this country?

Dato' Dr Ismail: Both.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Does the of Honourable Acting Minister Finance consider that all that has been done so far is enough for the needs of this country in view of the fact that we obviously must expand our defence forces very rapidly in the very near future?

Dato' Dr Ismail: I am the Acting Minister of Defence; the Minister of Finance is here, so how can I act for him?

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

However, Sir, as the Honourable Member himself is aware, our need for defence is growing and the Government is accordingly trying to keep up with the growing needs of the defence of our country.

Mr Speaker: The Honourable Dr Tan Chee Khoon.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, Question No.

17.
17.

The Minister of Home Affairs (Dato' Dr Ismail): Sir, the Government has in fact decided not only to re-inforce the strength of Police Stations in lonely and isolated areas in Sarawak but also to establish additional police stations and police posts where necessary.

To a considerable extent, this decision of the Government has already .

.

.. Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, I asked Question No 17, which relates to the Prime Minister.
I think the Honourable Minister of Home Affairs is jumping the gun.

(Laughter).

MALAYANISATION—ADVANCE TO OFFICERS the (17.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks to state whether it is Prime Minister true the that as much as 75% of amount due to an officer on Malayani- sation is advanced to the officer before the post is actually Malayanised; if so, to state the reasons) The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, I did not see today's Order Paper, but I saw in this printed Order Paper, which was laid on the Table yesterday that the Question referred to was listed as No.
20—so I am sorry that I did not stand up to answer just now.

But I will try and answer as fully as I can this question.

eligible these officers The fact is that under the provisions of the Federation of Malaya Agree ment, 1948. and then again amended in 1956 (No.

4 of 1956), it is provided that all for to a loan compensation are entitled not exceeding 75 per cent of their the rate of 3 per cent salaries at interest.
This is done to provide an inducement for these officers to remain in service, as we find that their services are necessary in many departments.

I think most of the officers have taken 2721 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2722 this loan and these officers remaining in the service in all the States of Malaya are 115. the number of from Dr Tan Chee Khoon: I find this answer the Prime Minister rather paradoxical.

We all know that introduced Malayanisation has been specifically to get rid of the unwanted expatriates.
On the other hand, we have just heard the Honourable Prime Minister say that the services of these officers are required.

To me those two statements do not add up.

Will the Honourable Prime Minister tell us why was it necessary, apart from retaining the services of these people concerned, to give them such big loans, in view of the fact that some of these people may get up to about $90,000-plus in view of Malayanisation.

These are very big sums of money.

Why was it necessary to give it away?


today's Order Paper it is No.

18.

So, it is not correct to say that I jumped the gun, because I was reading from the original Order Paper as the Honour able Prime Minister had done pre viously; and if I erred I erred in good company.

(Laughter).

Now, the answer to question No.


18, as put down in the Order Paper for today, is that the Government has, in fact, decided not only to reinforce the strength of police stations in lonely and isolated areas in Sarawak but also to establish additional police stations and police posts where necessary.

To a considerable extent, this decision of the Government has already been carried out.

Mr Speaker: The Honourable Orang Tua Mohammad Dara bin Langpad two questions is not here.
He has standing in his name.

The Prime Minister: I should have mentioned that the loan is not taken in a lump sum, but in instalments.

Therefore, we do not have to pay as much as the Honourable Member had thought.

However, the services of these officers are necessary.

They are now on the outgoing and is no problem that arises in this matter.

there so Mr Speaker: The Honourable Enche' Sim Boon Liang.

Enche' Sim Boon Liang: Mr Spea ker, Sir, the question is set out as No.
18 in today's Order Paper but it was No.

17 in the original Order Paper.

Shall I read No.

18 or No.

17?

Mr Speaker: No.

18.

POLICE OFFICERS IN ISOLATED PLACES IN SARAWAK- REINFORCEMENT 18.

Enche' Sim Boon Liang (Sarawak) asks the Minister of Home Affairs whether the Central Government will consider stationing or strengthening the number of Police Officers in lonely and isolated areas or places in Sarawak, especially emergency period.

during this Dato' Dr Ismail: Sir, I think it is No.

18.
18.

In the original Order Paper it was given a different number but in Dato' Dr Ismail: Sir, on behalf of the Minister concerned, and according to Standing Orders, we will commu the Member nicate concerned.

the answer to MOTIONS THE CUSTOMS DUTIES (SABAH) (AMENDMENT) (No.

6) ORDER, 1964 The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan Siew Sin): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move: That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of section 8 of the Customs Ordinance (Sabah Cap.
33), the Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) (No.

6) Order, 1964, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

87 of 1964 be confirmed.

from In Sabah, timber revenue exported is derived either from royalty or from export duty.

The revenue is State revenue.


The rates of royalty are adjusted by the State Government every quarter and it is essential that corresponding adjustments should be made in the rates of export duty and this is the purpose of the Order now before this House for confirmation.

The rates of export duty imposed are the State those Government.
recommended by 2723 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2724 The procedure heretofore has been to be published simul for Orders taneously at the beginning of each quarter prescribing the same rates for royalties (under Forest Rules) and for export duties under the Customs Ordinance of Sabah.

of the Paragraph 3 of the Modification of (Customs) Order, 1964, has Laws transferred fixing power Customs duties in Sabah under section 8 (1) of the Customs Ordinance of Sabah to the Federal Minister respon sible for finance.
The Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) (No.

6) Order, 1964 was made by the Federal Minister of Finance and requires confirmation by resolution of this House.

Sir, I beg to move.

Tuan Haji Abdul Khalid bin Awang Osman: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of section 8 of the Customs Ordinance (Sabah Cap.

33), the Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) (No.


6) Order, 1964, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

87 of 1964 be confirmed.

THE CUSTOMS DUTIES (AMEND MENT No.

8) ORDER, 1964 Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move: That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of sub-section (2) of section 10 of the Customs Ordinance, 1952, the Customs Duties (Amendment No.

8) Order, 1964, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.
95 of 1964 be confirmed.

This Order is made solely for the purpose of protecting a domestic indus try.

The Government is satisfied that the home manufacturer will establish an efficient undertaking producing good quality products.

Nevertheless, in order to produce at an economic cost the manufacturer must capture a substan tial proportion of the market in the States of Malaya.
The establishment of the industry may be prejudiced by a flood of very cheap imports, and in order to avoid the risk of such imports in anticipation of protection being given the the domestic manufacturer, to duties have been imposed six months before such manufacture begins.

The Government has reached an, the understanding on prices with that domestic manufacturer, the duties will not result in consumers having to pay higher prices.
so the near future I am aware that there is a manu facturer of lamp bulbs in Singapore and in lamp bulbs are likely to be included in the Malaysian common market thus ensuring adequate competition.

In the meantime, however, we are not prepared to grant conces sions to producers outside the States of Malaya as this would amount to a variation of the assurances given by this Government to a manufacturer who has undertaken substantial invest ment in the States of Malaya on the strength of such assurances.
Sir, I beg to move.

Tuan Haji Abdul Khaiid bin Awang the to second Osman: Sir, I beg motion.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue the of sub-section Customs Ordinance, 1952, the Customs Duties (Amendment No.

8) Order, 1964, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

95 of 1964 be confirmed.


(2) of section 10 of Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, the Honourable Sir, we have heard Minister of Finance giving us the reason for moving this motion, and I think it must go on with the cockles of the hearts of the capitalists in this country that they have a Minister of Finance, who always consults the the capitalists, when manufacturer, impose protective to ever he wants the manu the benefit of tariffs for facturer.
I think it was none other than the Member for Penang Utara, at some previous session, who reminded the Minister of Commerce and Industry that the interest of the consumer must be taken into account, because if we impose protective tariffs then, naturally, there being so little competition, the price goes up and stays up—and as the Minister well knows once the price goes up without outside competition, 2725 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2726 it is to the detriment of the consumer.
Moreover, the quality of the goods may not be up to the standard of the foreign goods.

Here, Mr Speaker, Sir, I am not wanting to fight for the local capitalists, as to me they are both the same.
I am only concerned with the consumer, and I think in all these Bills, where pro tective tariffs are being imposed, of paramount importance is the consumer and not the manufacturer; and as such in future I wish the Government—if it wishes to impose such tariffs—should always bear in mind that the consumer in this country does count.

I am rather ashamed of Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, the Sir, Honourable Member for Batu, who has been twisting facts.
Hitherto, I have always regarded him as a reasonably fair-minded Member of this House, and he seems to have deviated from the standard which he himself has set.

I have made it very clear in my speech that the interests of the consumers in the States of Malaya will be adequately safeguarded, because the manufacturer has given an undertaking that prices will not increase.
There is, therefore, no question of the interest of the con sumers not being safeguarded, and I would like to remind the Honourable Member for Batu that concern for the interest of the consumers is not the monopoly of the Socialist Front.

(Laughter).

He also makes a glaringly incorrect statement of fact—I hope that this is due to the fact that he was not listening rather than sheer mischievous intent— by saying that the Government had to consult the manufacturer before impos ing this protective duty.
What really happened was that the manufacturer, before undertaking this rather substan tial investment, discussed this project with it was mutually agreed that this duty, or duty of this order, would be imposed six months before production is due to begin, and hence the necessity for this Order.

the Government and Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue the of sub-section (2) of section 10 of Customs Ordinance, 1952, the Customs Duties (Amendment No.

8) Order, 1964, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

95 of 1964 be confirmed.


THE CURRENCY AGREEMENT, 1960 Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move the motion standing in my name, viz— the That this House resolves that in accord ance with the Federation laws of pertaining to currency, approval is hereby given to the Government to lodge a notice of the replacement under Clause 17 of Currency Agreement 1960 with the Govern ment of Brunei.
Under the provisions of section 11 of the Currency Act, 1960. the Minister of Finance is authorised to lodge, on behalf of the Government, notice of replacement the Currency Board under clause 17 of the Currency Agree ment, 1960.

Such notice can, however, only be lodged with the prior approval, signified by a resolution, of the Dewan Ra'ayat.
to between Malaysia The Currency Agreement of 1960, which revised the Currency Agreement of 1950, was made between the then of Malaya, Singapore, Federation Sarawak, North Borneo and Brunei for the purpose of continuing the issue of a common currency in these territories.

With the coming into being of Malay sia, this Agreement has become an Agreement and Brunei.

Under the terms of the Agree ment, the Currency Board is the sole currency issuing authority in Malaysia and Brunei.
Clause 17 provides that if a Participating Government wishes to replace the Currency Board by another authority for the issue of currency, it should lodge a notice of replacement with the Currency Board 18 months prior to the date on which the new authority the issue of its own currency.

to commence intends In the Central Bank of Malaysia Ordinance, provision is made for Bank Negara Malaysia to have the sole right to issue currency in the country.
This part of the Ordinance, however, is not to come into force whilst our country 2727 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2728 to continues to participate in the Currency Agreement.

The Government, in con sultation with Bank Negara, has been giving serious consideration the question of our currency arrangements ever since the Bank was set up, and but for the establishment of Malaysia, the Bank would probably have become the sole currency issuing authority before now.
When it was decided at the time of the establishment of Bank Negara to continue to participate in the present Currency Board set up, it was felt that it would be unwise for the Federation of Malaya to issue its own currency and irrevocable possibly precipitate an relationships severance of monetary with Singapore and the other territories.

In retrospect, I can say definitely that the decision was a wise one as this has preserved the common currency link between all parts of Malaysia.
for began preparing Soon after its establishment, Bank Negara the assumption of currency issuing powers.

It became the agent for the Currency Board in Kuala Lumpur and Penang in 1961 and in Singapore in 1963.

It also took over the day-to-day administration of the Currency Board in July, 1962, when the Head Office of the Board was to Kuala Lumpur and a transferred senior officer the Bank was appointed Secretary to the Board.
Plans for the Bank to issue its own currency were in an advanced stage early in 1962 when the concept of Malaysia was under examination.

With the prospect of a radical change in the political scene in the Malayan currency area, it was felt that Bank Negara should delay finalising its plans for the issue of its own currency until after the out-come of the Malaysia proposal was known.
of the provisions of In order to avoid the complicated and long drawn out process of liquida tion of the Currency Board in accord ance with the Currency Agreement, the Government the Brunei started negotiations with Government regarding the taking over of the Currency Board by Bank Negara Malaysia soon after the formation of Malaysia in 1963.
In these negotiations, we indicated out willingness to extend the assets and liabilities of our full co-operation and assistance to Brunei if it wished to use, in place of the issued by the present currency Currency Board, the Malaysian cur rency to be issued by Bank Negara.

A memorandum setting out our proposals was sent to the Brunei Government in March this year.

The Brunei Govern ment has not yet made known its views on our proposals.
Nevertheless, it is essential should that Bank Negara become the currency issuing authority for Malaysia without further delay.

It is therefore necessary for us now to give notice of replacement to the Currency Board in accordance with the provisions of the Currency Agreement.
Eighteen months' notice is normally required for this but I hope it will be possible for us to obtain the agreement of the Brunei Government to reduce this period of notice so that Bank Negara Malaysia will be able to issue its own currency throughout the country as soon as adequate supplies of new currency can be made available.
any The lodging of notice of replacement to the Currency Board does not pre clude negotiations with the Brunei Government on the currency arrange ments should it so desire, even at this late stage.
The door remains open and we would be prepared to start negotia tions immediately if the Brunei Govern ment now decides to negotiate with us for the circulation of the Malaysian currency to be issued by Bank Negara Malaysia as legal tender in Brunei, and if an early agreement on the lines of the proposals which we have submitted the Brunei Government can be to obtained, such an agreement could supersede the provisions for the liqui dation of the Currency Board as set out in the Currency Agreement.
I must, however, stress that any negotiations on this matter should be concluded with the minimum of delay, as time is getting short.

it will become a the When Bank Negara becomes currency issuing authority of the coun try, full-fledged Central Bank and be in a better posi tion to carry out its objectives of pro moting monetary stability and a sound 2729 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2730 financial structure and also influence the credit situation to the advantage of the nation.

Sir, I beg to move.
Sir, I beg to move.

Dato' Dr Ismail: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

that this move Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, may I be permitted to congratulate the Government on for making the Bank Negara the currency- issuing authority in this country?

This is a move that is long overdue, and I am glad the Government has thought it fit now to take action on this.
I am also glad that the Government has not closed the door on its negotia tions with Brunei, remembering that Brunei has been very generous to this country by way of giving us, I think, $40 million loan.

Such a conciliatory move on our part and a gesture of that nature on our part would be appro priated, instead of closing the door on Brunei.

Mr Speaker, Sir, in saying this, I am a little perturbed because a few days ago I saw a copper coin and that copper coin had the stamp of Queen Elizabeth Regina.
Sir, such coins, if they are in circulation for a longer period, might give the foreigner an impression that we are still under the British raj, and the sooner the Bank Negara gets going on with the job of its own currency and with issuing drawing those, which have the stamp of Elizabeth Regina, from circulation, the most self-respecting will this country be.
Enche' Tan Toh Hong (Bukit Bintang): Mr Speaker, Sir, I rise to support this motion by the Honourable Minister of Finance to give notice of termination of the Currency Agree ment, 1960, thereby eighteen months from the date of notice the Board of Commissioners of Currency will go into liquidation.

the due I presume process, with due regard to Brunei's share, the rest of assets and currency shall be transferred to Bank Negara, Malaysia.
As the Honourable Minister of Finance has just explained, under the the Malaysian existing arrangement, in the Currency Board.

States, together with the Government of Brunei, share the common currency issued by In effect, this means that the Malaysian Central Bank is precluded from acting as a sole authority in the issue of currency.
Mr Speaker, Sir, this is an unsatis factory situation, and I must congratu late the Honourable Minister of Finance for being aware of the anxiety felt by economists and responsible people at the inability of Bank Negara, Malaysia, to issue currency and coins on its own accord.

Now that Malaysia is a reality and entity, guiding its own destiny politi cally, economically and socially.

there is all the more reason why we must be able independently to regulate and the volume of our own control currency.
Money is the life-blood of a nation, and Malaysia would be mean ingless if we have to consult and get the approval of a foreign State, the Brunei Government, each time we feel the need to regulate our own life-blood.

Mr Speaker, Sir, the volume of money circulating in our economy is like one of our shoes.

If it is too small, it pinches us, it injures our foot and may produce excruciatingly painful corns.

On the other hand, if it is too big, then it may cause us to walk wobbly, to sumble and to trip.
Thus, at any given moment of time, whether the weather is fair or foul, we must be able to change the size of our shoes, so to speak, according to the dictates of the moment.

The ability to regulate and to determine the volume of our own and freely, assumes significant importance, given the need to develop our economy at full steam, which is the avowed intention of the Alliance Government.
independently currency, that then Let us not to forget achieve maximum growth, free and unhindered application of monetary that of policy budgetary policy, to which we were exposed shocks of many new ideas yesterday.
important as is as Honourable Members will recall that the Central Bank was established 2731 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2732 as a national monetary institution with two major objectives to perform: (i) to promote and maintain mone tary stability and a sound finan cial structure in the country; instrument (ii) to be a policy to influence the size and flow of money supply, and the avail ability and cost of credit.
Unfortunately, because of our mone tary relations with Brunei, which the Honourable Minister has explained so clearly, the Central Bank cannot play its full and effective role.

This motion, therefore, serves to remove that limita tion, thereby enabling the Malaysian Central Bank to perform without hindrance one of its most important functions, i.e.

being the lender of last resort.

At last, Bank Negara, Malaysia, shall have the sole right and power of issuing our own currency and coins.
long I am sure responsible people, who have the economic wellbeing of our nation at heart, will welcome this motion and will commend the Honour able Minister of Finance for having taken the right step and also for leaving the door open for Brunei to resume further arrangements, if necessary.
to Before I conclude, Mr Speaker, Sir, and while speaking on Bank Negara, may I take this opportunity to request instruct the Honourable Minister to publish periodical Bank Negara publications, apart from the Annual Report—may I repeat periodical publi cations—on analysis of overall finan cial and monetary developments, on analysis of the performance of existing financial institutions and on analysis of credit policies in both the private the economy.
and public sectors of those who are This would enable the overall interested emphasis on our national financial stability and financial structure as well as on the Bank Negara's monetary performance in relation to our national development efforts.
to determine Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I am very grateful for the expres sions of support which have been given to this motion from both sides of this House; in particular, it is very satis factory to me to find that once in a way the Honourable Member for Batu and I see eye to eye.

the the The Honourable Member for Batu referred to the rather anomalous design on the face of coins.

In fact, that applies even to some of our currency notes.
We in the Government are well aware this anomaly, but unfortunately of under existing terms of Currency Agreement any new design, or any design at all, has to receive the unanimous agreement of all the partici pating governments—in the present case, Brunei and ourselves.

This is one the the disadvantages of having of present set up.
I well recall one instance some years ago when we tried to revise the design of the ten dollar note and I think it took us, as far as I can remem ber, two years to reach agreement on a simple matter of this nature.
But, as my Honourable friend the Member for Bukit Bintang has pointed out, the real purpose of this motion is not so much to enable us to act freely in the matter of designs of notes and coins— although this is important enough—the real purpose of to enable Bank Negara to be a lender of last resort.

That is the real objective of this motion and as the Honourable Member for Bukit Bintang has ex plained what "lender of last resort" means, I do not think that I have to add to his very able exposition.
Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That this House resolves that in accord the Federation laws of ance with pertaining to currency, an approval is hereby given to the Government to lodge a notice of replacement under Clause 17 of the Currency Agreement 1960 with the Government of Brunei.
this motion the is UNIVERSITY OF MALAYA (AHLI2 DEWAN RA'AYAT DI- COURT OF UNIVERSITY OF MALAYA) The Minister of Education (Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon menge- mukakan saya ia-itu: usul di-atas nama Bahawa, mengikut sharat2 Undangan II yang telah di-buat menurut sekshen-kechil 2733 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2734 sekshen 13 dalam (m) Jadual kapada Undang2 University of Malaya, tahun 1961, Majlis ini melantek ahli2 yang tersebut di- bawah ini jadi wakil-nya dalam Court of the University of Malaya: (a) Yang Berhormat Enche' Mohamed Zahir bin Haji Ismail.
(b) Yang Berhormat Dr Awang bin Hassan.

(c) Yang Berhormat Dr Ng Kam Poh.

(d) Yang Berhormat Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Sekshen 13 (m) bahagian 3 di-dalam Jadual Undang2 Universiti Malaya, tahun 1961, mene- tapkan wakil2 Majlis Undangan Per- sekutuan dan Negeri dan Lembaga saperti yang di-nyatakan Tempatan dalam Jadual tersebut untok menjadi ahli2 Court University.
Statute II fasal (I) 13 yang mengua- sai Sekshen 13 (m) di-dalam Perlemba- gaan University of Malaya menetapkan bahawa 4 orang wakil hendak-lah di- lantek oleh Dewan Ra'ayat.
Sa-bagai- mana Tuan Yang di-Pertua sedia ma- 'alum, Parlimen yang pertama dahulu telah pun di-mansokhkan dan oleh yang demikian 4 orang wakil yang di-lantek pada persidangan Parlimen pada 25 haribulan Jun, tahun 1962 itu ada-lah dengan sendiri-nya tamat menjadi ahli2 tersebut, oleh kerana Statute Court tersebut juga menetapkan bahawa sa- saorang yang di-pileh, atau di-lantek sa-bagai ahli University Court sa-bagai wakil, ada-lah menjadi ahli hanya sa- lama dia menjadi badan yang telah memileh, atau yang melantek-nya dan jika telah berhenti menjadi ahli badan tersebut, maka ia ada-lah ber henti juga menjadi ahli Court itu.
Jika ada kejadian saperti ini, maka keko- songan timbul.

Oleh yang demikian, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-lah mustahak Dewan ini membuat lantekan baharu.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon ia menchadangkan.

The Minister of Welfare Services (Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menyokong.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, as one who has been a member of the Court of the University of Malaya from 1959 with a very short break in the early part of this year, I think I can speak with a little knowledge of I in the composition of the Court of the University of Malaya.
I have with me here the Calendar of the University 1963/1964 and if one looks at it care fully one finds that the Court of the University of Malaya is already heavily loaded with what one may call either Government representatives or Alliance Party say representatives.

Now, Government representatives or Alliance Party representatives, because under the the various categories of people Court of the University of Malaya, under "G" there are 11 persons—one appointed by each Ruler or Governor of a State.
Now that we have 14 States, it is reasonable to expect that there will be 14 under this category and knowing that only two States of the 14 States of Malaysia are not under the control of the Alliance Party, it is reasonable to assume—in fact, it is not unreasonable, it is a fact—that all these people are members of the Alliance Party, which means that out of this category of 14 we already have 12 who the, Alliance are members either of Government or of the Alliance Party.
Then under another category, that is, one representative of each State Legis lative Assembly appointed by such Legislative Assembly, again we have 14 representatives of these State Assem blies to the Court of the University of Malaya and again, since only two States of Malaysia are not under the control of the Alliance Party, it is reasonable to expect—in fact, again it is not just reasonable, it is so—that all these people are members of the Alliance Party.
I do not say that it is wrong for the Alliance Party in the various State Assemblies to nominate their own kind to the Court of the University of Malaya.

Consequently, from this category you have another 12, which makes—12 plus 12 make—24 representatives in the Court of the Uni versity who are all members of the Alliance Party.

Then you have another category under "F"—8 persons appoin ted by the Yang di-Pertuan Agong.
Now, normally, as you know, the Yang di-Pertuan Agong acts on the advice of the Prime Minister and, as such, it is safe to assume that the Prime Minister naturally would want to appoint several people to the Court of the University 2735 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2736 the Court of there are 8 people of Malaya, as indeed the list down here shows, they are all "safe" people from the Government's point of view.

Con sequently, there.

24 plus 8 means there are already 32.


Now, if in addition to these 32, you add yet another 4, it means that the Alliance Party will have 36 members to the University of Malaya, which roughly forms about one-third of its composition.

This does not take into consideration that under the University of Malaya Act the Chancellor of the University—who, incidentally, is also the Prime Minister, has the power to appoint 30 members the University of to I must be gracious Malaya.
Here enough the Chancellor, that although he has appointed a few safe people from this list that I see—for example, Enche' Athi Nahappan, Dato' Nik Ahmad Kamil and the like—he has also appointed a large number of people who have nothing to do with the Alliance Party, or who are not sup porters of the Alliance Party.

the Court of to say Now, the point I wish to make is this, Mr Speaker, Sir.
It is really rather distressing to know that the Alliance Party makes use of its huge majority in this House to—I will not say "to give perks", because this is not a perk, except the word— the sense of appoint people to the various bodies like this one.
in the Opposition its wisdom, appointed to last Parliament, Mr Speaker, The two Sir, in the Members of the University of Malaya, Court of namely, Yang Berhormat Dr Burhanu- ddin and Enche' V. Veerappen, both of whom unfortunately are not in this House today.
But, Mr Speaker, Sir, in saying that this House should try and appoint more people—not all people from the Alliance Party, but give con sideration for some from the Opposi tion—I am not asking for a berth for in the list of four, because, myself Mr Speaker, Sir, as I have said before, I am already in the Court of the Uni versity of Malaya.

So, I am not jockeying for a place for myself, nor for my colleague—he, presumably, has no time even if he were appointed.
is that Mr Speaker, Sir, the point I wish to the Alliance Party mention could make use of this opportunity to be magnanimous in appointing not only people from the States of Malaya, or from Singapore, but people from Sarawak.

This is the point, I think, the that has escaped appointing Authority when they decided to nominate these four people as listed down here.
the notice of in from a Member Mr Speaker, Sir, yesterday there was from a question the setting up of a Sarawak about University College the Bornean States.

Sir, if we are to make a start in the Alliance surely that direction, Party can be magnanimous enough to appoint one or two of these four people from Sarawak, be it from the Alliance Party or probably from the Opposition.
I am sure the Mayor of Kuching, who is a Member of this House, would be a great asset the University of Malaya, and no doubt other Members of the Member sitting behind me, Enche' Stephen Yong—can very well contri bute a great deal to the proceedings the University of of Malaya.

the S.U.P.P.—for the Court of example, to I am Mr Speaker, Sir, realistic enough to know the huge majority that is opposite and beside me not to pro pose any amendment to this motion.
I am realistic enough that any sugges tion that I may make in this direction Honourable Members may well want me to go to Tanjong Rambutan to have my skull examined there.

(Laughter).

I am realistic enough to know that.

But, Mr Speaker, Sir, I do hope that there is still chance for the Government to remedy this state of affairs, because appointments by the Yang di-Pertuan Agong have not all been filled.
Con sequently, I do hope that the Alliance Government, when it decides to fill up all these eight appointments there, will pick on some from the Bornean States, whether they are from the Opposition or from the Government.

I have no grouse on that, but it will give them a sense of participation, a sense of brotherhood, with us down here and then not have a grouse: "Yes, you call us to come to Malaysia.
Every time 2737 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2738 there is a job of this nature, you take it all yourselves and leave us all in the cold.

What sort of Malaysia is this for us?"

Already the increase in tax from 10 per cent to 50 per cent., I think might well cause a commotion when the Members of S.U.P.P.

return to Sarawak at the end of this session.
the Alliance and Mr Speaker, Sir, as regards another way whereby the Alliance Government, or rather in this case the Chancellor of the University, that is, the Prime Minis ter, can be magnanimous enough, as I stated before, is that he has the power to nominate thirty people to the Court of the University of Malaya, and as I see from this list it does not extend up to thirty and many of those who have been appointed are no more in this country—for example, Enche' R. Ramani is no more in this country.
As such, I hope that the Prime Minis ter, even when it comes to his notice of what I have said, will be magnanimous enough, again, to appoint one or two or even three people from the Bornean States to the Court of the University of Malaya.

Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, I want to make it very clear that when I made this suggestion, and when I protested against the election of these four per sons, I have no personal grudge against these four people selected.
They no doubt will be an asset to the Court of the University of Malaya.

Of the last three of them, two are medical colleagues of mine and the third I know personally.

I want to make it clear that I have nothing personal against them, but I merely wish to say that the Alliance Government should use its vast majority with magnanimity not only towards the Opposition but towards the Members from the Bornean States.
Dr Mahathir bin Mohamad (Kota Star Selatan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berasa dukachita kerana tidak dapat faham chara2 fikiran yang di- keluarkan oleh Ahli dari Batu.
Saperti mana kita tahu Calendar dan Undang2 Universiti itu di-buat sa-belum Alliance Party ini mendapat "majority" yang bagitu besar di-dalam Dewan ini, juga undang2 itu di-buat oleh kerana kita itu tahu bahawa Universiti itu akan mene- lan belanja yang besar yang datang daripada Kerajaan, maka mustahak-lah Kerajaan ada pegangan yang kuat ber- kenaan dengan chara2 "administration" dalam Universiti itu supaya wang yang tidak di-beri kapada Universiti pergi kapada jalan2 yang lain, tetapi oleh kerana pada masa ini Parti Per- ikatan telah dapat kemenangan yang besar, maka kita dapati di-dalam Court of University itu ada-lah banyak orang2 yang terdiri daripada parti yang mendapat kemenangan.
Ini ia-lah satu benda yang menunjokkan bahawa orang2 ramai dapat meletakkan wakil2 mereka di-dalam Universiti itu supaya Universiti itu dapat menyesuaikan diri- nya dengan kehendak2 orang ramai tahu wakil saperti mana yang kita dewan di-pileh oleh orang ramai.
Kalau-lah wakil dari Batu tidak puas hati berkenaan dengan "representatives" yang bagitu besar datang daripada Parti Perikatan, maka perkara itu senang dapat di-atasi kalau-lah Socia list Front Party menyesuaikan dasar- nya dengan chara fikiran orang di- Malaysia dan kalau-lah parti ini dapat menyesuaikan diri-nya dengan kehen dak orang2 ramai saperti mengambil bahagian di-dalam "Minggu Perpa- duan" dan sa-bagai-nya, maka tentu- lah orang ramai pada tahun 1969 esok akan memileh semua ahli Dewan ini yang terdiri daripada Socialist Front, maka masa itu dapat-lah Socialist Front menjalankan Universiti itu ikut kemahuan diri mereka sendiri.
Terima keseh.

Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah (Bachok): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun hendak berchakap sadikit ber kenaan dengan perlantekan oleh Dewan ini beberapa orang ka-dalam Court of University of Malaya.
Saya tidak ada menaroh sa-barang shak terhadap ke- bolehan nama2 yang tersebut di-dalam usul ini, kerana sa-tengah2-nya saya tahu tentang calibre dan kebolehan-nya di-dalam lapangan pengetahuan, tetapi ia-lah yang menarek perhatian saya chara berfikir yang terbahagi dua di- antara pehak Parti Perikatan di-dalam Dewan ini dan pehak Socialist Front, ia-itu bagi pehak Socialist Front nam- pak-nya ke'adilan di-dalam menamakan 2739 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2740 ahli2 yang patut dudok dalam Court of University itu ia-lah menurut pem- bahagian partai di-dalam Dewan ini dan juga mengikut berapa banyak negeri2 yang menjadi ahli dalam Malaysia, maka dengan yang demikian akan ber- peluang-lah bagi parti2 Pembangkang ini menjadi ahli dalam Court itu, ter- utama sa-kali P.M.I.P.
kerana dia sa-kurang2-nya empat kali ganda dari- pada Socialist Front.
raya termasok Tetapi pendapat daripada Perikatan pula mengatakan bahawa oleh kerana pada masa ini Perikatan telah men- dapat ahli yang banyak dalam Dewan ini maka sebab itu-lah di-dalam Court of University itu terdapat banyak ahli2 yang mewakili Dewan ini dan pada satu masa kalau mana2 partai pembang kang dapat menyesuaikan diri-nya dan akan menang dalam pilehan banyak-lah wakil2 mereka dalam Uni versity itu dan ini saya perchaya pada tahun 1969 masa akan membuktikan kenyataan.
Tetapi, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya pula sa-kurang2-nya bagi pehak diri saya kalau tidak pun bagi pehak P.M.I.P.

semua-nya saya meman- dang perlantekan wakil Dewan ini bukan perlantekan ahli2 Perikatan atau ahli2 parti, ia-itu Dewan ini yang di- dalam-nya Pembangkang, tidak Pembangkang, orang yang di- pileh dan orang yang dapat masok dengan jalan yang mudah.

Jadi saya rasa pembahagian atau pun chara me- lantek itu hendak-lah di-tumpukan ka- pada orang2 yang layak dudok di- tempat in itu the proper place.
Saya dapati nama2 ini ada-lah yang sa-kurang2-nya memuaskan hati saya.

Chuma yang saya hendak kemukakan ia-lah University of Malaya ini sudah- lah tentu berlainan daripada University of Malaysia, sebab bila kita sebut Malaya dan Undang2 University itu pun di-buat sa-belum daripada Malay sia ini dan sa-belum daripada Kerajaan Perikatan dapat majority yang sa- bagitu banyak itu, maka polisi atau chara berfikir konsep University itu merupakan satu konsep Malayan sa- kurang2-nya dapat kita gambarkan.
Jadi apabila kita menjadi Malaysia polisi pelajaran di-Sarawak, di-Sabah dan juga di-Singapura ada berlainan ia-itu proper man tersebut di-dalam sa-kurang2-nya tidak 100 peratus sama dengan polisi pelajaran di-Tanah Me- layu yang menghendaki satu genera tion atau angkatan baharu yang akan menjadi satu bangsa baharu mengikut polisi Kerajaan yang memerentah se- karang.
Jadi, kalau kita bahagikan kapada perlantekan ini kapada wilayah2 dan kita bahagikan pula dengan me- urut paitai yang memerentah, maka University itu tidak akan dapat men- satu jalankan peranan-nya badan independent atau bebas sa-mata2 membahathkan education kerana me fikiran2 reka dengan wilayah2 dan fikiran2 politik.
terpengaroh sa-bagai susah-lah Jadi saya bersetuju dengan chara2 memileh orang2 ini dengan harapan bahawa orang2 yang di-pileh ini kena pada tempat-nya dan saya mengshor- kan lagi kalau boleh—tetapi oleh kerana 4 orang yang di-kehendaki saya rasa sadikit—kalau boleh nama2 yang akan di-lantek itu ia-lah mengikut jurusan2 yang di-pelajari di- dalam University itu, mithal-nya, juru san Undang2, jurusan Kedoktoran, jurusan Sastra dan pada masa yang akhir2 ini ada pula Islamic Studies.
Jadi, sa-patut-nya di-lantek-lah sa-orang di-dalam-nya itu sa-bagai proper man in the proper place dan saya nampak di-dalam barisan saya ini daripada Trengganu banyak orang yang ada mempunyai degree2, bila di-lantek di- situ nampak-lah yang orang2 yang ada mempunyai degree Islamic dapat dudok sama di-dalam University itu tidak sa- bagaimana sekarang beberapa banyak ahli2 dalam Dewan yang mempunyai degree University Islam tidak langsong di-pileh di-dalam ini sedangkan Islamic Studies di-majukan di-dalam Univer sity of Malaya itu dan saya perchaya perkara ini Tuan Yang di-Pertua ber setuju dengan saya.
Saya perchaya per- mintaan saya ini kalau boleh di-pinda atau pun pada masa2 yang lain akan dapat perhatian daripada Dewan ini, ia-itu yang di-pileh 4 orang ini mewakili Dewan ini, bukan mewakili satu parti itu memerentah.

walau pun parti Terima kaseh, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.


Enche' D. R. Seenivasagam (Ipoh): Mr Speaker, Sir, this very simple motion came before this House, and for Batu the Honourable Member 2741 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2742 made certain observations which are thought very relevant and which I were very sensible and would have appeared to be sensible to anybody with any commonsense.
However, we have heard one Member, from the other side of the floor, criticised those comments; but I stand here to support the comments made by the Honour able Member for Batu, Now, it was shocking to hear a backbencher say to this House, in effect, that the selection of these four names was made on a political basis, because the sum total of his comment was, "We are the Party in majority; we therefore choose Alliance men, because the Alliance men represent the people; and if the Socialist Front wants to get their men into the University Court, you win the elections in 1969 and then " Dr Mahathir bin Mohamed: Rises.
Enche' D. R. Seenivasagam: I refuse to give way, Sir.

"If you win the elec tions in 1969, then you can put your men into the Court of the University."

That is the sum total of the speech given by the Honourable Member opposite me as given in the English the translation, which came through earphone, and I accept that as an official translation, Mr Speaker, Sir.
Now, I would hesitate to say—in fact, I think, I would be quite confidently right in saying it—that the Honour able Member had nothing whatever to do with these four the election of names, because if he did have, then I would be apprehensive that that was the position, because only a person of his calibre would make this selection on political lines, but I have no doubt for that making them, these persons thought because were fit and proper persons to sit in the Court of the University, not bearing in mind any political affilia tions whatsoever.
It is regrettable that no Members from the Opposition were included.

It may have been an over sight, it may have been anything, but the time is not too late—it can be remedied.

Let nobody say that the P.P.P.

wants to get into the Court of these selections made they the persons responsible through the University this House, because the P.P.P.

is already on the Court of the University through the Municipality of Ipoh.
Therefore, let it not be said that I stand up here to make representations for this Party to get into the University Court.

Mr Speaker, Sir, on this matter, the Honourable Member sitting opposite me said that those who want to be on the University Court, in effect he said that if the Socialist Front ever hopes to get to the University Court they should take part in events like the Solidarity Week.
I fail to see what connection that has with the motion before this House, but I assure the Honourable Member the debate on the Budget starts he—not only he but the Honourable Assistant Minister who asked that political parties should be banned because they boycotted Solidarity Week—will hear a lot of it from this side of the House and there will be plenty for them to digest, and I hope they will be able to swallow what they hear.
that when Dato' Dr Haji Megat Khas (Kuala Kangsar): Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like to take this opportunity to say a few words on the set-up of the Univer sity because I have been for many years myself not only been a member of the Court of the University but also a member of the Council of the Uni versity.

I there is some mis conception of the set-up of the Univer sity that has made the debate so long this morning.
think institution First and foremost, Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like to say that the University has been assured of being an autono mous in which political ideologies or leanings are taken no account of.

I think I am correct in saying that the University authorities themselves, from the Chancellor down wards, are very jealous of this auto nomous standing of the University.

AN HONOURABLE MEMBER: Hear!

hear!


Dato' Dr Haji Megat Khas: We are that political indeed very perturbed factors should be admitted at this stage into the running of the Univer institution of sity.

It is purely an 2743 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2744 higher learning and politics, I think, as a member of the University myself, should have no part in the running of the day-to-day business of the Univer sity.
For clarification, Sir, I would like to say that the administration of the University is not in the hands of the Court.

It is in the hands of the Uni versity Council, which runs the day- to-day business of the University and which also runs the construction of new buildings and the recruitment of academic staff.

In its set-up, there are four separate bodies that are involved.

The teaching staff the Senate.


They have got no say in the the running of financial side or, the policies of the University; the policies of the Univer sity are laid down by the Council.

the University from is known as the Council, which The Senate itself is the lowest body and the is concerned merely with teaching of academic subjects.

As we all know, the members of the Senate being a teaching body, are recruited the world and can from all over to any political party.
The belong members of is actually the administrative body of the University, are recruited from various sections of the public including mem bers of the Senate, members of the Guild of Graduates, members of the Government, members from the Minis tries and also nominees of the Chan cellor.

To the Council the responsibi lity of the running the University is vested.

Above the Council is the Court.

Now, the Court is constituted of mem bers from all sections of the commu nity in the country.
All the commercial firms are included, the industries are included, the Guild of Graduates are included and many others including the nominees of the Yang di-Pertuan Agong and the Chancellor.

The duties of the Court are set above the duties of the authority of the University, which has got the power of making laws and passing them on to the Chancellor.
I think it is a good thing to have within the Court of the University all the communites in the country represented inclinations irrespective of political and political needs.
I hope I am not the Council, because is it the involved treading on toes of my Party, because I have had no directive in this, but I think purely from the standpoint of having been in higher education for many years, I feel that the question of politics should cer tainly be left out and that the members who have been selected and whose names have been put forward this morning as representing the Dewan Ra'ayat here should stand, not as members of any political party but as members of the Parliament.
I do think that the Member for Batu has got some ground for his complaint that most of the members selected by the Minister of Education happen to coincide at the same time to be members of the Alliance Party.

I take it that this question should be con sidered in the light of what I have said.
The members of the Court are called to a meeting only once a year and at this meeting the progress of the University the Vice- is reported by Chancellor, and they can suggest not how to run the University but what further improvements which are non- political, can be brought its deliberations during this yearly meet ing.
in in Mr Speaker, Sir, I think I have said sufficient, but I feel so strongly about the subject and I was so afraid that the University might become a political battlefield and that I thought I, in my own personal capacity and as a member of the University Council and for many years as a member of the University Court, should stand here to tell you all about it.

(Applause).
(Applause).

Dato' Dr Ismail: Mr Speaker, Sir, one would have thought that this is a very straightforward motion and would have been passed without any debate at all.

However, as usual, the Member for Batu always tries to make a mountain out of a molehill, and I would suggest that he did not even succeed in doing that, because he got everything confused.
Now, Sir, the motion asks this House to choose four Members of this House to be its representatives on the Court of the University of Malaya, so that it will be in accordance with the 2745 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2746 constitution of the University of Ma laya.

The motion reads: " .

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pursuant to sub-section (m) of of section 13 of the Schedule to the Univer sity of Malaya Act " that recognises there.
Be At the expense of trying to lecture to the Honourable Member for Batu, the University this House should be represented there and the University would like politicians to be there to give the views of the politicians.

After all, political parties are part of the life of our society.

So, let us not be confused about politicians being represented on the University of Malaya.

Of course, politicians are they Alliance represented Members, or Socialist Front Members, or P.P.P.
Members, or other Members of the Opposition, they are politicians.

If they are honest, they must say that they they are politicians; otherwise, have no right to be here.

So, the very fact that this House is asked to send its representatives there acknowledges that politicians are sent there.

How ever, they have been selected by this House to represent this House in the University of Malaya, where they give their views as politicians, and without attaching to it the party they belong to.
After all, the University should have on the various representatives of the society we are living in.

I would suggest that political parties are part of the life of a democratic country.

We choose the artists, we choose the prominent law yers, the prominent doctors, as the Member for Batu in his capacity as a member of that honourable pro this fession.

But the very fact House is asked to appoint its repre sentatives acknowledges that politicians have a part to play in the University of Malaya.
However, once they get in there, I would suggest, they give their views as politicians, because politicians have a different outlook on the life of this country.

The Honourable Member for Batu himself must realise that when he comes here, he does not think as a doctor but as a politician.

So, let us not delude ourselves that we in this House are not politicians.

its Court or Council that The second part of his observation these is this.
He has said that all people who are nominated are Mem bers of the Alliance Party.

Then, he goes on to say that he has no objection to these Honourable Members because they are men of ability.

So, what do we conclude from that?

We conclude that the Members, who are selected here and who are Members of the Alliance Party, are supported by the Members of the Opposition because they are able men.

If we go on with that logic, you must admit that all good men are in the Alliance.

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

Of course, when we in the Govern ment these names—the Prime Minister has a lot of say in this—we tried to pick the best men in the House to represent us and I think that was endorsed by the members of the Opposition who have spoken.

I they made a think very bad example to quote this motion as evidence that the Alliance always it chooses comes from this House.
its own members when to nominate members suggest tried all to is that The next point the Honourable Member for Batu said the Prime Minister as Chancellor of the University of Malaya will have at his disposal, so to speak, the power to nominate quite a number of members to the University of Malaya and he would hope that the Prime Minister would not nominate members of his own party.
the Court of should nominate Dr Tan Chee Khoon: On a point of explanation, I said that the Chancellor, if there are vacancies for him to nomi from nate, the members of Bornean States or from the S.U.P.P.

I did not ask for any representation from the Socialist Front.

It is not my intention to turn this into a political issue.

the Alliance from them Dato' Dr Ismail: I think I have had enough of the explanation Sir, and I think I can go on now.
But he did the Chancellor—the Prime remind Minister himself is the Chancellor of the University of Malaya—that he would like him to take the Honour able Member's observation into con sideration.

Now, Sir, we all know the Prime Minister.

In fact, I keep on 2747 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2748 reminding him that his great fault is his generosity both to his friends and to his foes, both in the political sense and in the personal sense.
I keep on reminding him that sometimes he has to curb this generosity of his, because he has got us into trouble because of it.

So, there is no need for the Honour able Member for Batu to advise the Prime Minister that he should be careful in the choice of his nominees to the University of Malaya.
the Court of feel My last point is this: after all, this is the House of Parliament and, as you know, this is just a motion from the Government and, of course, if Honourable Members the Government side is not being very proper in nominating these members then they could suggest other names.

There is nothing to prevent them from doing that, but the fact remains that they agree that these four members are the best men in the House to re present this Parliament.
that Br Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, on a point of clarification, I did not say that they are the best men in the House.

Dato' Dr Ismail: Well, I do not know what to deduce from what the Honourable Member said.

He said that they are able men and also he did not put up any alternatives from which the House could choose.
So, I must deduce that these are the four best men in the House, because there are no other candidates, and that the Honourable Member subscribes to the view that they are good men to represent this House.

I am, not a crystal gazer.

I can only deduce from what the Honour able Member has spoken.
Mr Speaker, Sir, I am not trying to prolong this debate, but I think the Honourable Member for Batu would be well advised in future, although we know that he has political secretaries, to have his political secretaries occupied in other business on the agenda of this House rather than to waste their time on this motion, to which I am sure we all agree.
Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji saya Talib: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak-lah hendak berchakap banyak, hanya satu perkara sahaja, ia-itu pada masa Kerajaan menetapkan nama2 wakil daripada Dewan Ra'ayat ini yang dudok di-dalam Majlis Court University bagi mewakili Dewan ini, kita menjalankan pilehan dengan ber- pandukan kebolehan, kelayakan Ahli2 Dewan ini dan pada himat dan tim- bangan Kerajaan bahawa Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang di-chadangkan ini-lah layak dan yang mempunya'i yang kebolehan bagi mewakili Dewan ini di-dalam Majlis Court University.
Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, Bahawa, mengikut sharat2 Undangan telah di-buat menurut 13 sekshen II sekshen-kechil yang (m) kapada dalam Undang2 University of Malaya, tahun 1961, ini melantek ahli2 yang tersebut di- Majlis jadi wakil-nya dalam Court of ini bawah University of Malaya: Jadual (a) Yang Berhormat Enche' Mohamed Zahir bin Haji Ismail.

(b) Yang Berhormat Dr Awang Hassan.

bin (c) Yang Berhormat Dr Ng Kam Poh.

(d) Yang Berhormat Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad.


BILLS THE DISTRIBUTION OF GERMAN ENEMY PROPERTY (REPEAL) BILL Second Reading The Assistant Minister of Justice (Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the Distribution of German Enemy read a (Repeal) Bill be Property second time.

Mr Speaker, Sir, at the end of the Second World War the Custodian of Enemy Property held German enemy assets valued at just over $600,000.
These monies received by the Custo dian, being German enemy property, became in law United Kingdom Go vernment property.
By virtue of the Distribution of German Enemy Pro (United Kingdom perty Act, 1949 Act) and by administrative further directions in 1954, the United King dom Government released these pro ceeds to the Federation Government 2749 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2750 with the expressed condition that these were to be used to finance schemes of development and welfare for the bene fit of the peoples of the Federation of Malaya.

In consequence, Mr Speaker, Sir, the Distribution of German Enemy Property Ordinance, 1959 (i.e.
Ordi nance No.

29 of 1959), which was similar to the United Kingdom legis lation, and also the Distribution of German Property (No.

1) Order, 1959, and the distribution of German Enemy Property (No.

2) Order, made there under, were passed covering all these assets.

Accordingly, Mr Speaker, Sir, an Administrator of German Enemy Property was appointed, who, after the claims against German meeting assets law, transferred the balance of approxi mately $592,000 to the Public Trustee as required by the No.
2 Order.

The Public Trustee applied to the Court and obtained approval for the establish ment of the United Kingdom Chari table Trust Fund.

in accordance with the that scheme are the The objects of clearly set out the explanatory in note to the Bill.
The Government has now decided in recognition of the excellent relations which have been the Government of established with the Federal Republic of Germany and the generous financial aid which has to been given by Malaysia, received by former German enemy the sale of assets should be repaid to the said Government.

Since adequate explana tions which have not been covered by my speech are contained in the ex planatory statement to the Bill, I do not propose to say further.
that Government the amount Sir, I beg to move.

The Assistant Minister of Commerce (Tuan Haji Abdul the to second Industry and Khalid): Sir, I beg motion.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Acting Minister of Justice in his very brief introduction to this Bill has told us why it is necessary to return this money to the Federal Republic of Germany.
Mr Speaker, Sir, since these funds have been transferred to the then Federation legalised rather of Malaya Government, or then Malayan Government—I the think this Bill was published after Independence but before the election of the fully elected Federal Legislative Council (that was in 1959)—both the legislations then of the Distribution of German Enemy Property (No.

1) and (No.

2) Orders have the appropriations of these German pro perty funds.
Mr Speaker, Sir, it is not secret that the German Government has been pressing for the return of these assets before and after Merdeka, and now in the Explanatory Note we are told that it is not considered that the issue should be settled on a purely legal basis.

I presume that on a legal basis the German Government has got no legs to stand on in demanding for the return of these funds.
But politi cally it is expedient that it should be returned to the German Government the sums transferred to the funds, that is, the balance after distribution and payments dividends mentioned above.

The sums involved amount to $592,000.

Mr Speaker, Sir, in the name of political expediency, I think we are doing something is politically corrupt and which is the beginning of moral decay.
Of course we are getting aid from Germany, and consequently it is politically expedient to give this money back; although, as I read it here, legally the German Government has got no basis to reclaim this money.

that of Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish to bring to the notice of the House the implications of this Bill, if it is passed by this House.
In the first place, the Assistant Minister of Justice did not mention that prior to this fund being administered by the Custodian of Enemy Property and Public Trustee and later on by an administrator named under this German Enemy Property (No.

2) Order, the Government pub lished a gazette asking people who have claims on these assets to stake in their claims, and I believe quite a number did so and did get their claims meted out of the German assets.
Well, Mr Speaker, Sir, what if the appetite of the Federal Republic of Germany is not satiated by this sum?

Supposing the German Government now says, "How 2751 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2752 to about returning to us what you have those people who have given successfully made claims on our assets at the end of the Second World War?"

That is the first question I wish to pose to the Government.

Mr Speaker, Sir, it is wellknown also that any assets of the Second World War do not consist only of those German assets.
What about the assets of Italy?

What about the assets of the assets of Austria?

What about Bulgaria and other countries whose properties were confiscated by the then British Raj and then handed over to the then Malayan Government, and now to the Malaysian Government?

Now, to get supposing we hope increased trade with Italy, will it then be considered politically expedient that we should return all these assets to the Governments that I have mentioned, namely, Germany, Italy, Austria and Bulgaria?
I would like to know, if the Honourable Assistant Minister of Justice will enlighten this House, what are the assets of these countries that I have named, and what are the inten tions of these assets.

But, Mr Speaker, Sir, perhaps these assets are not very important in total half- themselves.

They may a million dollars here or one-quarter million dollars there, and are of no consequence.
What I am perturbed is that if the Government in its generosity now seeks to give back to the German Government this $592,000, the Japanese Government will now say, "How about giving us back our assets?"
the Government on in this country amounted Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, at the end of the last World War II, the Japanese assets to $120 million-plus and all these assets were handed over to the War Damage Claims Commission and these assets were distributed to the people who staked their claims with that Commis sion.
Now, what if in the interest of political expediency, and in view of the fact that the Japanese are rendering us so much aid, so many joint ventures— in Jurong, in Prai and particularly elsewhere—so many iron mines, the Japanese Government now says, "How about returning to us the $120 million you have confiscated?"
Mr Speaker, Sir, as we all know there is this ques tion of "blood money" that we are claiming from the Japanese Government and that has not yet been settled, and there have been voices raised here and there asking why there should be these such undue delay claims.

in settling Dato' Dr Ismail: On a point of order—S.O.

36 (1)—I think the Honour able Member is irrelevant.

This Bill concerns the enemy property and has nothing to do with "blood money".

I the Honourable Member is irrelevant on this point.
think Dr Tan Chee Khoon: I shall be very brief on that, Sir.

Dato' Dr Ismail: Although he may be brief, I think he is still irrelevant and I would rule that he should not be allowed to go on speaking on that point.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: I do not think the Honourable Minister can rule me out of order.

(Laughter).

I think he is taking the prerogative of the Chair.

Dato' Dr Ismail: No, Sir, I only ask the Chair to rule him out of order.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: That is a different thing altogether, Mr Speaker, Sir.

Mr Speaker: (To Dr Tan Chee Khoon): Will you please speak to the point.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, I shall not dwell on the subject of "blood money"—that has offended the Honourable Minister of Home Affairs.

I only wish to say that, if the Japanese Government put in their claim and say, "Now, you have been so generous with the German Government, how about giving us our assets that you had con fiscated and now distributed?
", this country will be in real quandary.

I am posing this question, because I think very few people realise the implica tions of what would be a very simple Bill, and I shall be very grateful for any clarification from the Honourable Assistant Minister of Justice.

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: Mr Speaker, Sir, I anticipated all the 2753 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2754 arguments put forward by my Honour for Batu.
the Member able friend I know that he was going to say that because the German Government con cerned has no legal claim to this fund, it necessarily follows that the genero sity on the part of the Federal Govern ment to return this sum is—at least he has said so—something politically corrupt and is a sign of moral decay.

Mr Speaker, Sir, there are many things in this world which are not settled purely on a legal basis but on a friend to friend basis.
It even happens in this House—this morning when debating the motion concerning repre sentatives of this House to the Univer sity said the Honourable Member that it must not be decided on the basis of party politics; it must be decided on other considerations.

Innu merable instances can be given where in our relationship with foreign coun tries in matters such as this, we must consider many factors, not just legal factors but also political factors, before deciding on what course we should take.
Therefore, Mr Speaker, Sir, I have already mentioned that it is the view of this Government that in recognition of the excellent relation which has been established between this Govern ment, the sovereign Government of the Federation of Malaysia, and the Government of the Federal Republic of Germany, we feel that we should rightly return this sum to the German Government.

How can we be accused of being politically corrupt?

How can the German Government bribe us to do something?
How can we be accused, just because we give this money to the German Government, that this is an indication of moral decay?

It has got nothing to do with this question at all.

Italian With regard to the various assets mentioned by the Honourable Mem ber—he mentioned assets, Bulgarian assets, Japanese assets, etc.— I would like to state here that as far as the Italian assets are concerned, this is governed by the Treaty of Peace (Italy) Order, 1948.
The funds with respect to Italy and Bulgaria, if this will please my Honourable friend over there, were paid to the United Kingdom Government at their request.

As regards Japanese assets, this is governed by the the Peace Treaty Order and Japanese Government surrendered these assets voluntarily.

It has made no the request Federation of Malaysia the assets should be returned to them.
the Government of that all to the German Government Sir, the fear which the Honourable Member entertained with regard to possible further requests by the German Government, namely, what will happen should if come round and say, "Why not return to us all those sums of money which had been given to creditors?"

Well, I can assure the Honourable Member for Batu that that will not arise.

We have agreed to return $592,000 and the German Government is aware of that.
There will be no further claim or the German Government in this connection.

concerned request further from Regarding the "blood money", I need not have to reply as the question has already been replied the Minister of Justice himself.

That is all I need say, Mr Speaker, Sir, Thank you.

to by Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved into a Committee on the Bill.

itself Bill considered in Committee.


(Mr Speaker in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 3 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.

Sitting suspended at 12.55 p.m.


Sitting resumed at 4.30 p.m. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) THE TRANSFER OF FUNCTIONS (REGISTRAR-GENERAL OF SARAWAK) BILL Second Reading Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that a 2755 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2756 Bill intituled "an Act to provide for the transfer of certain functions from the Registrar of the High Court in Borneo the Registrar-General of Sarawak" be now read a second time.
to transferred The object of the Bill is to transfer from the Registrar of the High Court in Borneo, formerly known as the Chief Registrar of the Supreme Court of Sarawak, North Borneo and Brunei, certain statutory functions under cer laws which became tain Sarawak Federal on Malaysia Day.

In fact, these functions have administratively been the Registrar- to General with effect from the 1st day financial of March, 1964, and provision for the transfer was made in the 1964 Federal Estimates.
Mr Speaker, Sir, it was originally envisaged that these functions could have been by Modification Order transferred under Section 74 of the Malaysia Act, but on further consideration it was considered that the transfer would be outside the scope of that section.

It is most desirable that the laws referred to in the Schedule should be amended to bring the Sarawak laws into line with what is in practice.
the Clause 3 of the Bill contains a validation provision, because certain actions have already been performed by the Registrar-General for which he had no authority.

For example, he had granted a few Probates and Letters of Administration.

legislative Sir, I beg to move.

Tuan Haji Abdul Khalid: Sir, I beg to second the motion.
Enche' Stephen Yong Kuet Tze (Sarawak): Mr Speaker, Sir, the func tions of the Registrar-General, as I understand it, were intended to cope with the registration of matters which do not involve complicated points of law.
Now, in the Schedule as con tained in this Bill, we find that the the functions of the Registrar of Supreme Court under the Administ ration of Estates Ordinance and the Bankruptcy Ordinance are being trans ferred I to in the other States understand the to of Malaysia, the Registrar-General.

that that say is from nervous these particular the State of Peninsula States and functions Singapore, are exercised by an official of the Court.

That, of course, is as it ought to be.


I may say that it should be much more so in Sarawak, because, as I have stated in the previous sitting of this House, the Department of Registrar- General in Sarawak is over-worked and in fact it has so much work to be cleared up.

In addition, there is more work now pouring in in view of the registration of citizenship.
In fact, I do know that the officials in the depart ment are unable to cope up with the work that they have now and I am that one official was already told suffering exhaustion.

That, in turn, would mean chaos and that would also mean, of confusion; course, I have inefficiency, which already brought to the attention of this House.

Now, Sir, the blame for this state of affairs would not be so much on the officials concerned but would probably be on this House unless something is done.
I think we must bear in mind that sometimes it would not be good for a department if we were to burden it with something which the officials in the department would find it physically to dis charge their duties.
Therefore, I wouid appeal to the Minister concerned to have another the Schedule look at with a view to vesting the functions of the Registrar under these two Ordi nances—namely, the Administration of Estates Ordinance and the Bankruptcy Ordinance—to, say, another depart ment, or to the Court, instead of the Registrar-General.

impossible In passing, Sir, I note that there is no mention of the Trade Marks Ordinance and the person who is to exercise the functions of the Registrar of Trade Marks.
The Minister, I am sure, is aware that in this field there are always objections being raised by interested parties to the registration of trade marks.

When that happen, com plicated points of laws would be involved; therefore, in view of this, I trust consider carefully about the vesting of power, and the persons on whom the functions are to be conferred, in this case.
I am the Minister would 2757 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2758 sure that this House would see to it that the Department, which is a new one, would function efficiently and I believe it would not come about if we attempt to take the function of one department and heap it upon another, which we know that even now they are not able their present duties.

to discharge Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, I rise to say a few words, mainly to echo the sentiments expressed by the Honourable Member from Sara wak.
As I see it in this Bill, the officer concerned here is loaded with so many duties that I do not know how one person can possibly discharge all those duties.

As such, I heartily agree with the previous speaker that perhaps this Government may well consider whe ther some of his duties should be apportioned to some other officers.
If it is the intention to make this officer concerned to be in charge of registra tion of citizenship as well, then I think he has a well nigh impossible job to do, because I do know that in Malaya, for example, the Registrar-General is so overwhelmed with work that he has got his subordinates in each and every State of Malaya.

Consequently, he is a very overworked man with queries pouring into his office from all over the Federation.
As such, Mr Speaker, Sir, I do agree that there is a case for a reconsideration of the functions of the officer concerned.

by both expressed Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: Mr Speaker, Sir, I quite appreciate the concern the Honourable Enche' Stephen Yong from Sarawak and the Honourable Member for Batu regarding the volume of work now being handled by the existing Registrar-General.
I would like to reiterate what I have said in the last sitting of Parliament, namely, this Department was created that before Malaysia and it was intended by the colonial Government should be that all transferred to the Registrar-General's Department.

these functions that The present Bill, Mr Speaker, Sir, is intended to validate certain of the functions which have, in fact, already to letter is that in fact, from Sarawak, been transferred to the Registrar as from the 1st day of March, 1964.
I myself, I must admit here, am not really happy with this set-up.

I have already communicated to the Honour able Member and because of that I have instructed the officers concerned in my Ministry to look into this problem to see how best one can tackle the problem of com plications arising out of the transfer of so many functions to one person.
In fact, I have sent the Public Trustee from Kuala Lumpur to Kuching toge ther with the Secretary to the Ministry of Justice to Sarawak, in addition to the Authorities to writing a concerned in Sarawak.

As things stand at the moment, the staff in the High Court Registry in Kuching will not be able to cope up with any more work.

the What happens, officers concerned—those dealing with administration affairs i.e.
the Admi nistration of Estates Ordinance and the Bankruptcy Ordinance—have been the Registrar-General's seconded Department.

They are, in fact, officers dealing with the functions and duties under those two Ordinances.
I quite appreciate that the existing Registrar is not a legally qualified man, as I have mentioned in the last sitting of Parliament, and that various complicated points of law do from time to time crop up when it comes to matters under not only the Trade Marks Ordinance, but also the Bankruptcy Ordinance and the Admi nistration of Estates Ordinance.

I would, therefore, like to say it here that I will look into the matter.
But I do not promise that the matter can be done in one or two weeks or even in one or it involves so many things—e.g.

getting, perhaps, new officers, etc.

But in any event the Government is looking into this matter.

Meanwhile, in order to validate the various acts which had already been illegally performed by in Sarawak, the Registrar-General particularly the administration of estates, it is essen tial that this Bill must be passed.

Sir, that is all I need say at this stage.


two months, because in connection with I do know Question put, and agreed to.

2759 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2760 Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately into a Committee on the Bill.

resolved itself Bill considered in Committee.


(Mr Speaker in the Chair) like Clauses 1 to 3 inclusive— Enche' Stephen Yong Kuet Tze: Mr Chairman, Sir, perhaps it is rather irrelevant, but I would to ask whether the Minister concerned would consider the appointment of a Deputy Registrar-General who might be able to cope with the extra work.
I refer particularly to the Bankruptcy Ordi nance, because I do know as a fact that many cases—including one in which I myself was concerned has been pending for nearly five to six months—have not been dealt with.

This is a matter of course which involves some question of law, which might be dealt with by somebody who is especially appointed to clear off that part of the work.

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: Mr Chairman, Sir, the only thing I can say at this stage is that I will look into the problem.
I will not promise that a Deputy Registrar-General will be appointed, but I will do whatever the I can to see that Registrar-General in Sarawak will be carried out most efficiently.

the work of Clauses 1 to 3 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.

summonses, throughout Malaysia" be read a second time.
The object of the Bill is to enable warrants and summonses issued by a subordinate Court in any part of Malaysia to be executed in any other to certain part of Malaysia subject safeguards.

Before Malaysia was established, reciprocal provisions existed between the Federation of Malaya and Singa pore, but as between Federation of Malaya and Singapore on the one hand and the Borneo States on the other, it was necessary to rely on the the Fugitive Offenders provisions of Act, 1881.
It inappro is obviously priate that the Fugitive Offenders Act should continue to apply as between component parts of one Federation.

Provision has already been made both in the Constitution and by the Courts of Judicature Act, 1964, for summonses the superior Courts served or executed anywhere within Malaysia.
and warrants to be of in the receiving The safeguards to which I have referred to are, firstly, that a magis trate in the receiving territory must be that a warrant or summons satisfied was duly issued in the issuing territory before he endorses it for execution or service territory; secondly, when a person has been arrested on a warrant, he must be produced as soon as possible before a magistrate in the receiving territory, who must be satisfied that the person arrested is the person specified in the warrant before he directs that he be territory; taken back the and the receiving territory will have discretion to release on bail the person arrested subject to the law as to cases in which bail may lawfully be granted.
the magistrate thirdly, issuing to in THE WARRANTS AND SUM MONSES (SPECIAL PROVISIONS) BILL Second Reading Enche Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "An Act to provide for the execution of magistrates' war rants, and the service of magistrates' Mr Speaker, Sir, in addition, it has been provided that "magistrate" in the receiving territory means a President of the Sessions Court or a First Class Magistrate in the States of Malaya, a Magistrate of the First Class in the Borneo States, and a District Judge in Singapore.
Sir, I beg to move.

2761 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2762 Tuan Haji Abdul Khalid bin Awang Osman: Sir, I beg to second.

only concerns Enche Stephen Yong Kuet Tze: Mr Speaker, Sir, as I understand it, this Bill criminal matters, but we have in the Interpre tation Clause a reference to summons, which says, " 'summons' includes any subpoena or other process for re quiring the attendance of a witness."
Of course, a summons can mean matters concerning civil matters too, and we have, of course, in the civil procedure a different way by which a summons or writ can be served and it might cause some confusion as to whether this Bill, when it becomes an Act, would in some way be making inroads into the civil procedure that we know.
the I think that on the whole the Bill itself, as far as the getting of suspects or of people, who are liable to be arrested in one territory, to be brought local Court having to Court, is a jurisdiction over welcoming one.

However, I do want to draw attention that in so doing one should not complicate matters by suggesting that this may apply to civil matters as well.
that person, Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, not being legally qualified, if I were to make a faux pas I hope the Justice will Assistant Minister of excuse me.

Sir, the previous speaker has already drawn the attention of the House to the question of summons in a civil asked what would suit and has happen.

But,, broadly speaking, I think this House must welcome such a Bill.
In an independent country with 14 States, it is absurd to have the Fugi to tive Offenders Act of 1881, and regard a person from Malaya, who has run over to Singapore, as a fugi tive to a foreign country is patently absurd.

Consequently, as such, this Bill must have the support of all the Members of the House.

Mr Speaker, Sir, the previous spea ker has also drawn the attention of the House to the matter of summons in criminal cases and in civil cases.
It has just occurred to me as to what would happen if the fugitive in this case were a political one.

Does one has to serve a summons on him?

As I have said, I am not legally qualified, Mr Speaker, Sir, and perhaps in my ignorance I may be asking the wrong question.

I do hope the Honourable the Assistant Minister of Justice will enlighten me on this matter about political fugitives.

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: Mr Speaker, Sir, the answer to the observations made by the Member for Batu is very clear.
If he, for example, has not committed any breach of the law but prefers to run away to Sara wak or Sabah because of political matters that happen in Malaya, finding that Malaya is relatively hot, there is nothing that the Government can do.

But, however, if in the case of his political activities he has committed any breach of the law, then"* the law can be applied.
If the law advises that he be arrested on a warrant, then the Bill which is now before this House can be invoked for the purpose of compelling his attendance before a Court in Malaya or before the autho rities.

That is the position there.

This is really a very simple Bill.


As 1 said earlier on, as it stands at the moment there are no provisions and, therefore, the magistrates and the Courts are in a very difficult position as to how they for can example, a person who has committed a criminal breach of trust in Sarawak has run across to Malaya here.

There are no provisions at the moment as to how he can be brought before a Court here and sent back to Sarawak.
The purpose of this Bill is to enable the Court here to carry out such duties and vice versa.

the problem where, tackle The answer the observations to made by my learned friend the Mem ber for Sarawak is clearly contained the clauses, especially Clause 3, in the Bill and I need not answer of more on that question.

I do not think there will be any confusion in this matter.

Enche' Stephen Yong Kuet Tze: Mr Speaker, Sir, may I be permitted 2763 26 NOVEMBER 1964 to say something by way of clarifica tion?
House immediately resolved into a Committee on the Bill.

2764 itself Mr Speaker: Yes, but on a point of clarification only!

is that in a civil matter Enche' Stephen Yong Kuet Tze: I think the Assistant Minister did not quite understand my comments.

My the point decision of a Magistrate's Court is limited to its own District.

Now the Magistrate is allowed to issue sum mons for the attendance of a witness.
What I am afraid is this—it is two fold: one is that if you give power to Magistrates to issue summons, in other is words, outside his jurisdiction, and to give .

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.. everything to call a witness, which Mr Speaker: Is the Honourable Member making another speech?

Enche' Stephen Yong Kuet Tze: No, Sir, I am trying to clarify on what my comment: meant just now.
Would it be construed that this Bill would confer extra-territorial jurisdiction too on the District Court, which has hitherto no jurisdiction over the issues of subpoenas on witnesses?

in Kuching Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: is no question of extra there Sir, territorial at all.

The jurisdiction same thing happens in Sarawak.


If a District Court issues summons or subpoena to a witness, the it can be sent to Miri provided Magistrate in Miri is satisfied that the person referred to in the summons or in the subpoena is the person wanted by the Court in Kuching.

So what the District Court in Miri will do is just to serve the process on the person concerned.

This is really for the pur pose of simplifying matters within Malaysia itself.
It is really an anomaly that a subpoena issued in one territory in Malaysia cannot be served in ano ther issued territory.

The subpoena in Trengganu, for example, cannot be served in Kelantan.

So, it has nothing to do with the extra-territorial juris diction at all.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr Speaker in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 5 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.

THE EDUCATION (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading The Minister of Education (Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon men- chadangkan bahawa Rang Undang2 "satu Undang2 bagi yang bertajok meminda Undang2 Pelajaran Tahun 1961" di-bachakan pada kali yang kedua-nya.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tujuan Rang Undang2 ini ada-lah terang dan jelas, dengan sa-chara rengkas dalam kenya- taan yang telah terchatit pada hujong Rang Undang2 itu.

Tujuan utama-nya ia-lah untok membolehkan Kerajaan melaksanakan susunan baharu Pela jaran Anika Jurusan pada peringkat Sekolah Menengah Rendah.

Bahkan telah pun pernah menerangkan saya tujuan2 yang tersebut kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat ketika mengemuka- kan Anggaran Belanjawan Kemajuan Tambahan (No.

2) Tahun 1964 pada bulan Oktober yang lalu.


Akhbar2 tem- patan, Talivishen Malaysia dan juga Radio Malaysia telah juga menyiarkan berita2 berhubong dengan susunan baharu ini daripada satu masa ka- satu masa bila melaporkan sharahan2 dan kenyataan2 akhbar yang telah dan Pegawai2 di-buat oleh Kementerian Pelajaran ini.

Oleh sebab yang demikian tidak-lah rasa-nya mustahak bagi saya mene rangkan lebar tujuan2 susunan baharu ini sa-kali lagi.
Maka rasa-nya memadai'-lah jika saya tumpukan uchapan saya bagi menyata- kan sa-kali lagi dasar Kerajaan dan sahaja membuat penjelasan sa-chara panjang rengkas sa-lama saya 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2766 2765 berhubong Undang2 itu.
dengan tujuan Rang Di-sebabkan ada-nya kekeliruan di- pehak sa-bahagian daripada orang ramai, saya rasa mustahak menegaskan dengan jelas-nya sa-kali lagi bagaimana penjelasan2 yang telah di-beri oleh Kementerian saya beberapa kali sa- lama ini ia-itu pelaksanaan Pelajaran Jurusan Anika Sekolah peringkat Rendah itu ada-lah merupakan per- ubahan kapada ranchangan Program Pelajaran sahaja, dan BUKAN sama sa-kali BUKAN, perubahan dasar Pelajaran.
Berkenaan dengan ini khas- nya dua dasar yang telah di-terima oleh Dewan ini pada tahun 1960 ia-itu dasar berhubong dengan dua (2) Bahasa Rasmi sahaja yang di-i'tiraf menjadi Bahasa Penghantar di-Sekolah2 Menengah yang di-bantu Kerajaan dengan menyediakan Darjah2 Peraleh- an untok maksud kemudahan murid2, dan juga dasar menaikkan umor ber- henti sekolah kapada 15 tahun akan terus menjadi dasar Pelajaran Pegangan ini.
Dasar umum yang Kerajaan sa-bagai alat di-iktirafkan pelajaran dan pembangunan untok bangsa kebudayaan negara dan kemasharakatan siasah yang bertujuan menjadikan Bahasa Melayu sa-bagai Bahasa Kebangsaan dan yang menjamin pemeliharaan dan pemupokan bahasa dan kebudayaan kaum2 ini utama menerusi ajaran Bahasa China dan Tamil sa-bagai mata pelajaran akan terus di-laksanakan menerusi Pelajaran Anika Jurusan Menengah Rendah dan pelajaran sa-lepas Anika Jurusan peringkat Menengah Tinggi pada di-matlamatkan sa-bagaimana yang untok pembaharuan susunan yang di-jalankan sekarang ini.
iktisad dan di-negeri lambang yang Berkenaan dengan rang undang2 itu pula maka sa-bagaimana yang telah di-jelaskan dalam kenyataan di-hujong- nya fasal 2, 3, 4 dan 5, bertujuan membolehkan Kerajaan melaksanakan ranchangan yang baharu berhubong dengan Pelajaran Anika Jurusan dan menaikkan umor sekolah kapada 15 tahun.

berhenti Berkenaan dengan susunan baharu itu akan di-lakukan mulai daripada sa-chara automatik perlaksanaan Januari 1965.
Sa-bagai hasil Ihb ranchangan daripada ini, maka Pepereksaan Masok Sekolah Menengah di-Tanah Melayu akan di- mansokhkan dan murid2 yang mahu melanjutkan pelajaran mereka me- lebehi Peringkat Pelajaran Rendah tahun akan berpeluang berbuat 6 demikian ka- Sekolah Menengah Rendah.
Di-akhir ini murid2 akan pelajaran 9 Sijil Rendah di-kehendaki masok terima Pelajaran yang mereka akan pada tiga di-sekolah menengah rendah itu sa- bagai maksud persediaan bagi peperek saan Sijil Rendah Pelajaran ada-lah berupa pelajaran yang lengkap sa- chara pelajaran 'am dan pelajaran pre- vocational.

Dengan pelajaran berbentok demikian akan dapat-lah murid2 di- didek mengikut kebolehan dan bakat- nya masing2.
tingkatan satu, dua dan tahun Saya harus juga menegaskan di-sini bahawa susunan kenaikan darjah sa- chara automatic yang ada sekarang dan juga peratoran2 berhubong dengan chara menaksirkan kelulusan Sijil Pela jaran Rendah akan juga di-pinda bagi mensesuaikan-nya pelajaran anika jurusan itu.
dengan Pada akhir tahun yang ka-sembilan pula terpulang-lah kapada murid2 sama ada mereka hendak menchari peker- jaan, atau masok ka-sekolah2 menengah atas yang akan menyediakan pelajaran2 yang berchorak academic dan bukan tahun, atau academic sa-lama dua lebeh dalam mata2 pelajaran arts, science, pertanian, perdagangan, urusan tangga dan mata2 pelajaran rumah teknik, pertukangan dan sa-bagai-nya.
atau sa-lepas-nya Sekolah menengah atas ini akan me- lateh murid2 dengan satu kepandaian bagi membolehkan mereka menchari pekerjaan sa-bagaimana tujuan utama sekolah menengah atas pertukangan, pun mendidek murid2 memasoki pelajaran Sijil Pela tujuan jaran Malaysia sa-bagaimana sekolah menengah atas academic dan teknik.
Murid2 sekolah menengah atas academic dan teknik yang baik ke- lulusan-nya di-dalam pepereksaan ter- ada sebut berpeluang pula memasoki maktab2 khas sa-umpama sama 2767 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2768 Maktab Latehan Guru, Maktab Teknik, Pertanian, Perdagangan dan Urusan Rumah Tangga bagi melateh mereka menjadi guru, juru teknik, dan pegawai muda perusahaan dan lain2, atau pula mereka berpeluang belajar sa-lama dua lagi di-dalam Tingkatan VI tahun untok melayakkan diri-nya masok ka- universiti bagi berlateh dalam segala pem- lapangan baharuan ini, maka di-harap akan dapat: darjah 'am seluroh ra'ayat.
ikhtisas.

Menerusi ranchangan pelajaran (a) Meninggikan pelajaran (b) Menyamakan peluang mendapat pelajaran bagi semua kanak2.

(c) Mengadakan didekan, latehan dan mengeluarkan orang2 yang berkebolehan pada ketiga2 pering- kat kebolehan teknik ia-itu pe- juruteknik dan tukang, ringkat lapangan ka-ahlian dalam satu ikhtisas yang mustahak bagi maksud pembangunan negara.
Fasal 6 Undang2 Pelajaran itu pula tidak-lah ada hubongan-nya sa-chara terus dengan pembaharuan susunan pelajaran yang baharu saya jelaskan itu.

Tujuan pindaan ini ia-lah untok Simpanan membolehkan Wang Guru2 di-jadikan sa-bagai satu perbadanan dan dengan pemberian taraf demikian, maka akan dapat-lah lembaga itu mentadbirkan wang sim terator panan dan lanchar.

tersebut dengan Lembaga lebeh Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon menchadangkan.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menyokong.
Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya minta izin hendak memberikan pandangan sadikit berkenaan dengan undang2 pindaan atas pelajaran bagi negara Malaysia ini.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau kita per- hatikan maksud2 dan sebab2 mengapa undang2 ini di-kemukakan, pada zahir- nya kita dapat memahami untok membolehkan Kerajaan bagi membuat sa-suatu yang di-kehendaki-nya dan sa- suatu itu ia-lah mengadakan sekolah anika jurusan.
Saya bimbang, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bukan tentang niat Kerajaan mengada kan perubahan ini, tetapi saya bimbang tentang chara dan alat yang Kerajaan menjalankan proses education itu.

tidak sama ini di-kemukakan ia-itu menengah.


Tuan Yang di-Pertua, lama dahulu, saya lupa siapa yang menjadi tetapi pernah di- Menteri Pelajaran, negara kita satu pelajaran yang di-namakan Sekolah Lanjutan juga dengan Nampak-nya sekolah sekolah menengah kita dalam system baharu yang di-namakan anika jurusan ini ada dua, ia-itu yang rendah dan yang atas.

Sekolah menengah yang dua ini yang satu-nya dahulu di-namakan bimbang Sekolah Lanjutan.
perkara sa-bagai "Lanjutan" itu dia tidak berapa baik sangat, kerana ini sudah membuktikan satu failure, satu kekechiwaan kita dalam masa ta' berapa tahun sahaja kita sudah benamkan Sekolah Lanjutan itu, dan kita gantikan pula dengan sekolah yang berchorak anika jurusan, dan saya bimbang di-atas failure— kekechiwaan kita yang dahulu ini akan membangkitkan satu kekechiwaan pula yang sekolah anika jurusan ini akan merupakan "Sekolah Anika Ragam" pula.
Saya di-sifatkan yang 'am, tahun, atau pun 12 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya perchaya niat Kerajaan tidak-lah hendak men- jadikan peringkat anika jurusan ini sa- bagai sekolah yang merupakan factory untok menerbitkan murid2 yang mem- punya'i kelayakan untok bekerja terus.
Dia sa-mata2 merupakan satu penge- tahuan tetapi, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, umor budak2 yang berumor 15 tahun sa- rendah2-nya di-dalam sekolah rendah hendak masok ka-dalam sekolah anika jurusan ini belum patut lagi mereka itu di-arahkan kapada satu jurusan yang tertentu, kerana perbendaharaan murid2 itu tidak patut lagi di-halakan kapada satu2 yang tertentu.
Saya perchaya Yang Berhormat Menteri Pelajaran kita akan mengatakan bahawa perkara ini ia-lah sa-mata2 pelajaran, dan kita tunggu pada sekolah menengah atas, baharu-lah hendak di-palingkan kapada haluan yang tetapi dengan tertentu, kita menamakan darjah menengah yang bawah, yang rendah, yang tiga tahun 2769 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2770 itu sa-bagai sekolah anika jurusan, maka akan berlawan-lah dengan per- kataan tetapi Jurusan", "Anika jurusan-nya maseh satu juga.
Ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, akan menyebabkan banyak anak2 kita itu akan masok ka-sekolah itu dengan niat hendak bekerja sa-lepas anika jurusan itu, mereka itu pun akan berebut2-lah menchari kerja sa-bagaimana juga kita dahulu mengadakan Sekolah Melayu sampai Darjah V dan mereka itu akan menjadi peon, akan menjadi orderly, akan menjadi tukang sapu, dan akhir- nya mereka tidak akan menyambong- kan pelajaran-nya dengan lebeh jauh lagi.
itu tadi Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ini boleh jadi sahabat saya Menteri akan ketawakan saya sa-bagai mengatakan saya ber- falsafah kosong di-sini, tetapi kalau ingat di-mana Yang Berhormat sebab-nya kechiwa susunan pelajaran sekolah lanjutan itu akan terkenang-lah benda ini sa-bagai satu amaran akan berubah sekolah anika jurusan kapada sekolah anika warna.
Tuan Yang di- Pertua, kalau-lah maksud kita sa-bagai mana yang di-katakan oleh Menteri ia-itu maksud kita akan kita menempatkan budak2 ini mengambil pelajaran yang berupa akademik sa- mata2 sa-sudah itu.

Jadi, biasa-nya manusia sa-sudah mengalami "general knowledge" atau pelajaran umum baharu-lah dia menumpukan sa- suatu, sedang pada masa dia hendak naik sekolah menengah yang atas itu dia sudah menerima aliran2 yang di- namakan anika jurusan.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, akan berlawanan-lah dengan maksud yang di-sebutkan oleh Menteri kita tadi bahawa dengan jalan ini kita akan dapat membena satu masharakat negara kita ini dengan ter- susun, pada hal dengan jalan mengada kan anika jurusan pada masa bukan umor-nya lagi bangsa kita dari segi education, dari segi akademik dan dari segi penge- tahuan.
akan melemahkan ini Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berbalek kita kapada maksud yang kita hendak pinda ini saya tidak fikir-lah pada tiap2 sa- tahun atau dua tahun sa-kali mustahak di-adakan perubahan di-dalam educa tion policy, sedang ranchangan kema- juan tanah pun kita mengadakan lima tahun sa-kali, dan sa-lepas sekolah .

lanjutan kita mengadakan anika .

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Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, untok penjelasan, supaya Yang Berhormat itu tidak meraba2 telah jelaskan bahawa tidak ada perubahan policy hanya-lah programming—per- laksanaan sahaja.

sangat; saya Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bersetuju dengan Menteri yang mengatakan saya teraba2, sebab masaalah teraba2 yang di-bangkitkan oleh maksud Bill ini dengan penerangan-nya itu.
Kalau sa- kira-nya tidak ada perubahan di-dalam policy itu bagaimana pula kita hendak menjalankan sekolah yang di-namakan anika jurusan dengan syllabus yang sama dengan sekolah lanjutan itu, lebeh baik kita memajukan sekolah lanjutan itu walau sa-kali pun kita di-ketawa- kan oleh orang.
Sebab itu-lah, Tuan di-Pertua, saya rasa mengadakan anika tentu-lah bersetuju jurusan sangat dengan Menteri itu sa-kira-nya syllabus itu tidak ubah, tetapi akan kechiwa-lah kita bila kita memandang nama-nya itu sudah berubah, sedang isi-nya tidak berubah, dan ini akan menunjokkan Iuar kapada bahawa Parlimen kita ini hanya mem- buat wording di-atas paper, sedang isi- nya tidak berjalan dan tidak memberi perubahan.
ini saya dunia Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya rasa ada lagi perkara2 yang pahit berkenaan dengan education ini dan saya akan membuktikan diri kapada Menteri kita itu bahawa saya tidak-lah meraba dalam hal tetapi saya ada-lah memberi tegoran yang membena ka pada beliau itu.

Terima kaseh, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.


ini, Enche' Mohamed Yusof bin Mah- mud (Temerloh): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun untok mengambil baha- sadikit dalam Rang Undang2 gian yang di-bentangkan oleh Yang Berhor mat Menteri Pelajaran berkenaan dengan menjalankan dasar pelajaran yang baharu pada tahun hadapan ia- itu satu chara yang di-namakan seko lah anika jurusan.
Saya berpendapat ini-lah satu sistem atau chara yang 2771 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2772 ka-bahagian2 akan memberi jaminan kapada anak2 kita pada masa hadapan, oleh sebab 6 tahun yang pertama murid2 ini telah di-beri pengetahuan dan masok tahun itu pun di- ketujoh, maka mereka salorkan-lah di-mana mereka itu chenderong.
Saya anggap training" ini satu sistem "specialise yang telah di- jalankan di-negeri2 yang Jadi, saperti negeri maju dengan terjamin- ini saya perchaya lah anak2 kita mendapat pelajaran yang mereka chenderong untok men- chari mata pencharian mereka pada masa hadapan.

Jadi, saya rasa ini-lah yang di-kehendaki bagi negara kita yang baharu merdeka dan juga men- jamin segala pelajaran itu betul2 mem beri faedah kapada anak2 kita di-sini.

Jepun.
Jepun.

Pada masa yang lampau pelajaran di-beri sa-chara umum ia-itu sa-chara pelajaran tidak tetap dan di-utamakan, jadi mereka yang telah lulus, kata-lah sudah lulus sekolah tinggi, tidak boleh menjalankan bahtera hidup mereka, kerana mereka mengetahui' sadikit sana dan sadikit sini.

Tetapi dengan chara ini jika-lah anak2 kita itu chenderong kapada pertanian, mereka berpeluang belajar dan mendapat pelajaran terus- menerus dan boleh menjalankan ke- hidupan mereka yang senang pada masa hadapan.
yang pertama Dalam pada chara ini satu perkara yang saya berharap mendapat per- ia-itu hatian daripada Kementerian chara kita melaksanakan ini dan chara bagaimana yang kita boleh harap pelajaran2 yang di-beri kapada anak2 ini satu perkara sangat2 besar.

Mela- sa-kali sanakan-nya ia-lah guru2 yang akan memberi pelajaran dalam segala jurusan pela jaran pada anak2 kita itu.
Pada masa saya memerhatikan yang gelanggang di-sekolah pertelengkahan di- antara guru dengan guru dan den gan sebab saya perchaya dan saya memandang tidak dapat guru2 ini menumpukan 100 peratus menjalankan kerja2-nya, oleh sebab perbezaan di- antara satu guru dengan satu guru, ada guru yang lepasan Raffles College, ada guru yang lepasan Brinsford dan ada lepasan Day Training Centre, guru mereka ini saya rasa memandang di- berlaku lampau ini-lah yang satu itu yang lama lebeh antara satu sama lain churiga men- churigai.
Umpama-nya, guru2 lepasan Raffles College mengatakan kami telah lama dan ada pengalaman tinggi, me- ngapa guru2 yang muda yang baharu daripada di-beri gaji biasa dan lebeh, sa- layanan yang balek-nya pula guru yang baharu ini memikirkan, kami lebeh layak, maka guru2 itu patut-lah memberi peluang kapada mereka mengambil urusan yang penting.

Bagitu-lah sa- terus-nya kapada guru2 yang lepasan Brinsford dan Day Training Centre.
Jadi, dengan pertelengkahan ini saya memandang sekolah tidak dapat melaksanakan dasar apa yang kita tetapkan.

Ini satu perkara penting yang patut di-timbangkan dan patut di-sedari oleh guru yang mengajar dalam sekolah itu.

Sunggoh pun per kara ini tidak di-ketahui oleh umum, tetapi, hal ini.

Jadi saya rasa untok melaksanakan dasar pelajaran ini-lah yang sangat penting dan saya fikir patut di-timbangkan oleh Kementerian.

Yang kedua untok melaksanakan dasar ini tentu-lah guru2 ini berpuas hati.
churiga-menchurigai Yang atau pun tidak suka di-antara satu sama lain akan hilang.

ini perkara ibu-bapa pertama dapat tahu ini Layanan terhadap guru2 ini pada masa ini patut-lah mendapat perhatian, yang pertama guru2 yang dudok jauh daripada bandar tentang kedudokan mereka, kerana itu juga menyebabkan mereka itu tidak dapat menumpukan perhatian-nya tugas mereka terhadap pada dasar pelajaran atau pun apa yang di-tugaskan tentang pelajaran.
ia-itu Jadi ini-lah berkenaan dengan layanan terhadap mereka saperti itu rurnah.

Dan juga saya rasa patut juga di-beri peluang pada masa rehat mereka ia-itu pada masa chuti sekolah, ini berpeluang saperti mela- mereka pangkan fikiran, mereka sa-lama itu di-tempatkan untok melapangkan dada dan fikiran mereka dan boleh memberi chara kemudahan2 peluang dengan yang boleh di-buat terhadap mereka.
Sebab ada sa-buah negeri telah mem- buat chara layanan perkhidmatan pada guru2 ini ia-itu di-buat oleh sa-buah ia-itu Formosa di-mana pada negeri 2773 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2774 masa vacation—pada masa chuti-nya, mereka2 ini di-beri layanan oleh Kera- jaan, boleh merehatkan mereka di- tempat peranginan dengan harga yang murah dan di-sediakan pula bangunan2 itu berehat.
Jadi, saya pada mereka layanan rasa kalau dapat kita beri terhadap guru2 ini dan tidak-lah mereka itu memikirkan hak mereka atau pun kesenangan mereka terganggu.

Saya perchaya-lah guru2 ini juga dapat men- jalankan segala dasar2 yang kita beri saperti peratoran2, chara2 untok mem- beri pelajaran kapada anak2 kita itu.

Jadi saya rasa, ini dua perkara yang sangat besar saya pandang daripada pengalaman saya sendiri.

Saya berharap mendapat perhatian daripada Kemen- terian Pelajarian ini, terima kaseh.
failed in Enche' Tan Cheng Bee (Bagan): Mr Speaker, Sir, the Bill purely seeks to amend section 19 of the Education Act so that we can do away with the continuation school and replaces it with a system of education leading on to a comprehensive system of education.

The continuation school was intended to to keep boys who have qualify the for academic studies secondary school for another two years.
This Bill provides for some improve ment in that instead of six years of education for a child, which has been the subject of much discontent, this system will ensure a child nine years minimum education this means doing away with the continua it with tion the comprehensive school.

While at comprehensive these bovs' school, susceptibilities and aptitudes will be to enable taken a them towards the proper career when they reach upper secondary school.
I think, in short, this is an improvement on the system of education from the continua tion school lower secondary the school, which will give the boy a com prehensive system of education.

For this, Sir, the Bill very strongly.


into account and to be directed school and in school; replacing support to I Tuan Haji Rahmat bin Haji Daud (Johor Bahru Barat): Yang Berhormat Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sokong dan memberi dengan tahniah kapada Menteri yang ber- sa-kuat2-nya sekolah sa-takat kenaan di-atas Undang2 yang di-bawa- nya ini.
Kerana di-masa sa-belum mer- ini deka dahulu sekolah kebangsaan hanya-lah rendah sahaja dan juga apabila pergi sekolah menengah hanya di-sekolah bahasa Inggeris—hanya satu sahaja.

Jadi, kanak2 di-kampong tidak dapat lebeh tinggi.

Dengan peluang belajar ada-nya Sekolah Anika Jurusan ini maka banyak-lah kanak2, terutama sa- kali anak2 kita di-kampong2, dapat belajar lebeh tinggi dan lebeh sesuai lagi.
jurusan sahaja di-bandar Hanya satu sahaja, ini bukan bahkan saya merayu kapada Kementerian Pelajaran ini supaya buku2 pelajaran itu hendak-lah di-samakan di-seluroh Malaysia.

Pada di-seluroh masa Malaysia Johor Bahru, kalau ada umpama 5 buah sekolah maka 5 macham buku yang di- pelajari walau pun sama darjah-nya.

Maka ini sangat menyusahkan; bukan itu sahaja, buku2-nya pun boleh di- katakan tiap2 tahun bertukar2.
Maka ini sa-kira-nya sa-orang ibu bapa itu ada mempunyai 5 orang anak, kalau- iah buku2 itu tiap2 tahun di-tukarkan terpaksa-lah buku2 yang maka telah di-bacha itu tidak boleh di-pinjamkan tahun2 yang kapada adek2-nya pada akan datang.

Kalau sa-kira-nya buku2 itu di-gunakan dan tidak di-tukar, maka dapat-lah meringankan perbelan- jaan untok membeli buku2 pada tiap2 tahun.
Jadi, saya minta-lah kapada pehak yang berkenaan supaya buku2 itu di- -pileh betul2 dan di-berikan kapada sekolah2 itu untok di-pelajari dan di-tukar2kan jangan-lah hendak-nya pada tiap2 tahun.

Dan juga hendak-lah di-samakan di-seluroh Malaysia jadi dapat-lah dengan harga yang murah dan dapat-lah anak2 Melayu yang sangat kechecheran dengan keadaan- nya membeli buku2 dengan harga yang murah.

Demikian-Iah sokong Undang2 ini.
saya Enche' Othman bin Abdullah (Perlis Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya juga mengambil kesempatan mengalu2kan Bill ini sambil menguchapkan sa-tinggi2 tahniah kapada Menteri Pelajaran telah menukarkan satu chorak yang pelajaran daripada Sekolah Lanjutan 2775 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2776 terutama kapada Sekolah Anika Jurusan yang mana saya penoh yakin dan perchaya ini akan bahawa dengan pertukaran memberi lebeh kepuasan hati kapada orang ramai seluroh-nya, yang sa- belum-nya berasa ragu2 terhadap nasib anak2 mereka sa-kali itu, di-dalam peringkat menengah rendah di-dalam sekolah lanjutan atau pe lanjutan untok menentukan lajaran nasib anak2 mereka itu pada masa depan.
Tetapi dengan ada-nya Sekolah Anika Jurusan ini kita penoh yakin dan ada jaminan sa-penoh2-nya seluroh anak2 kita pada masa depan akan dapat pelajaran dengan sa-penoh2-nya dan akan dapat memenohi kechenderongan masing2 jenis lapangan pelajaran yang mana ini ada- lah satu nasib—satu ketentuan nasib anak2 kita pada masa hadapan dan Kerajaan pada hari ini telah menja- minkan pelajaran satu chorak atas kechenderong masing2.
itu kapada berbagai2 perchaya di-dalam bahawa telah Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-samping saya mengalu2kan Bill ini, saya suka hendak mengshorkan kapada Menteri supaya yang berkenaan di-adakan penerangan2 yang lebar, penerangan2 yang meluas atau lebeh tegas lagi di- adakan kempen pelajaran mulai dari sekarang ini kapada seluroh pendudok2 terutama di-kawasan2 luar bandar yang merasa ragu2 lagi tentang penukaran dasar pelajran ini, kerana saya dapat tahu ada juga, sa-lepas meshuarat ini, ada satu pehak yang churiga tentang kemajuan atau kejayaan Kerajaan Per- ikatan dan akan mengadakan kempen memburokkan pelajaran kita yang ada pada hari ini.
Jadi, kempen pelajaran perlu sa-kali di-adakan terutama sa- kali kapada orang2 di-kampong supaya mereka itu lebeh gemar lagi memasok- kan anak2 mereka itu ka-sekolah sama sekolah rendah ada menengah dan sa-terus-nya.

Kerana ini-lah satu chara yang agak sesuai saya fikir; pada masa ia-itu dengan memberi sa-penoh2 galakan.
sekolah atau ini Sa-lain daripada kempen pelajaran yang saya shorkan ini, juga tanggong- ini bukan-lah jawab dasar pelajaran terletak kapada Menteri Pelajaran tetapi kapada semua Kemen- sahaja terian2 dalam Kerajaan kita pada hari sa-kali, terutama ibu bapa yang ini ia-itu memberikan sa-penoh2 gala kan dan pertolongan, sa- kali kapada Menteri Kebajikan Ma- sharakat.
Kerana sa-lain daripada dar- jah pelajaran, orang2 kita, di-kampong2 terutama telah meningkat tetapi ada juga di-antara kalangan ibu bapa dan penjaga kanak2 yang tidak mampu untok menghantar ka-sekolah rendah jangankan sampai ka-sekolah menengah dan sa-terus-nya.
Maka per- hatian yang berat terhadap gulongan2 tidak ini—gulongan mampu, gulongan2 yang sa-rupa ini harus-lah di-adakan satu banchian yang mengejut, banchian yang mana dapat tahun di-berikan pertolongan untok 1965, ia-itu tahun pembangunan ka pada pelajaran yang lebeh active atau yang lebeh mendapat kejayaan pada masa hadapan.
Jadi itu- lah shor saya supaya pehak Kemen- terian Kebajikan Masharakat akan menjalankan gerakan ini bagi mem berikan sa-penoh2 pertolongan kapada ibu bapa yang tidak mampu supaya sama2 anak2 ra'ayat pada masa hada pan dapat mengechap nikmat pelajaran sa-bagaimana yang baik dan yang di-bentangkan pada hari ini.

Terima kaseh.

tegas, yang tegas Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji lebeh Talib: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya ingin menguchapkan dahulu terima kaseh kapada Ahli2 ribuan Yang Berhormat kedua2-nya.
Saya ingin hendak menjawab pandangan yang telah di-datangkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Bachok.

Kesim- pulan-nya yang saya dapat daripada uchapan Yang Berhormat daripada Bachok itu ada-lah Ahli Yang Ber hormat itu terkeliru faham atau pun tidak sistem pelajaran yang hendak di-jalankan ini dan sistem pelajaran yang sedang ber- jalan sekarang ini.
Sistem pelajaran yang kita hendak jalankan, kalau Rang Undang2 ini di-luluskan, ia-lah tiap2 sa-orang berpeluang belajar sa-lama 6 tahun di-Sekolah2 Rendah, dan mengikut sistem yang berjalan sekarang, sa-lepas 6 tahun di- Sekolah Rendah itu di-adakan Pepe- reksaan Pilehan ka-Sekolah, Menengah.
lebeh kurang 30% atau 40% Dan sahaja daripada kanak2 yang masok faham, akan kanak2 susunan akan 2777 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2778 tempat jenis sekolah itu di-sediakan Pepereksaan pergi ka-Sekolah Mene- ngah ka- Sekolah2 Menengah.

Mengikut sistem yang kita hendak jalankan ini Pepe reksaan itu akan di-hapuskan.

Jadi semua kanak2 dalam darjah VI yang berada di-bangku sekolah pada masa sekarang akan di-naikkan ka-tingkatan I atau pun darjah peralehan.
Jadi mengikut lama oleh sistem yang kerana tempat-nya di-sediakan bagi kanak2 yang lulus itu hanya lulus 30% atau pun 40% jadi mana2 yang tidak lulus itu-lah di-hantarkan ka-Sekolah Pelajaran Lanjutan atau pun ka- sekolah Pelajaran Lanjutan atau pun ka-Sekolah Lanjutan Kampong, yang di-sebut oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu.

Kedua2 itu akan di- hapuskan mulai' daripada tahun ha- dapan.
Jadi kita tidak-lah hendak mengkelas kanak2 itu pada masa umor 12 tahun atau pun 11 tahun lebeh, semua kanak2 akan pergi Sekolah Menengah atau Sekolah Rendah, ini yang di-namakan Sekolah Menengah Rendah Anika, Jurusan dan semua-nya masok dalam satu kelas sahaja.
Dan kanak2 itu pergi masok Sekolah Me nengah Rendah Anika Jurusan itu di-ajarkan di-dalam dua kumpulan pelajaran yang besar, satu pelajaran2 academik, satu pelajaran Free Voca tional dan mereka itu belajar-lah sa- lama 3 tahun di-dalam Sekolah Me nengah Rendah itu.

Dalam masa 3 tahun itu ada-lah satu sistem yang boleh menentukan bakat sa-saorang kanak2 itu sama ada dia boleh pergi meningkat ka-sekolah yang berjenis academik atau pun ka-Sekolah Tekni- kal.
Jadi di-akhir 3 tahun itu-lah di- adakan pepereksaan dan tiap2 sa-orang kanak2 akan di-beri Sijil kelulusan L.C.E.

itu.

Tetapi mata2 pelajaran yang lulus akan di-sebutkan dalam dia Sijil-nya itu.

Daripada sini-lah akan mereka itu di-alirkan kapada berbagai2 jenis Sekolah Menengah Atas saperti yang di-sebutkan di-dalam section (4) Clause (4) daripada Rang Undang2 ini ia-itu Upper Secondary Academic School, Upper School, Upper Secondary Technical School, Upper Secondary Vocational School.
Jadi mereka akan berada di- situ 2 atau 3 tahun kemudian sa-lepas daripada itu umor dia sudah ada di- Secondary Trade antara 17 atau 18 tahun.

Jadi apabila dia meninggalkan bangku sekolah pada tulang masa itu tentu-lah dia punya sudah keras, boleh membuat kerja, 'ilmu sudah bertambah dan juga ke- pandaian-nya telah ada dan menjadi warga negara yang berguna kapada negara kita Malaysia ini.

Itu-lah sis jalankan.


Jadi tem yang kita akan kalau sa-kira-nya dia takut bahawa Sekolah Anika Jurusan akan menjadi Anika Ragam atau Anika Warna barangkali warna itu hanya ada pada kacha mata sahaja, bukan-lah pada sistem-nya.

berkenaan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ahli Yang ada Berhormat daripada Temerloh membangkitkan dengan kemudahan kapada guru2 yang akan mengajar kalau ranchangan2 ini sedang mendapat perhatian daripada Kemen- terian.
Berkenaan dengan Yang Ber hormat daripada Johor Baharu Barat hendak mengadakan sa-jenis buku, itu tidak dapat di-jalankan kerana sistem dan dasar pelajaran kita tidak sama, tetapi bagi seluroh Tanah Melayu ini langkah tidak menyusahkan murid2 masa menukar- kan buku2 itu.

Satu peratoran yang baharu ka- sekolah2 dan di-harapkan akan dapat berjalan pada tahun hadapan dan kita akan baiki-lah daripada satu masa ka- satu masa.
sudah pun di-hantar telah di-ambil supaya kempen Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pedis Utara mengeshorkan supaya di-adakan pelajaran memberi satu fahaman kapada ibu bapa atau pun satu chadangan yang baik.

Saya suka- lah hendak menjelaskan bahawa Ke- menterian Pelajaran semenjak 2 tahun dahulu telah menjalankan kempen ini melalui" Gerakan2 Obor, tetapi saya ini hendak me- mengambil peluang minta pertolongan daripada semua Ahli Yang Berhormat dalam Dewan ini supaya menguatkan kempen ini, sakian-lah sahaja.
Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan bin Haji Sakhawat Ali Khan: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Yang Berhormat daripada Perlis Utara tadi ada sadikit menyen- toh Kementerian saya ia-itu supaya perhatian di-berikan kapada murid2 tidak mampu membeli buku2.

yang 2779 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2780 ia-itu Saya suka menyatakan di-sini Kementerian Kebajikan sendiri ada memberi bantuan sa-umpama itu dan sa-bagai-nya kapada murid2 yang otak- nya baik yang boleh menguntongkan diri-nya dengan pelajaran yang di- dapati oleh-nya.
Saya juga suka me ia-itu bantuan ada-lah di- nyatakan ibu bapa yang betul2 fikirkan bagi tidak mampu dan murid2 yang boleh menguntong diri-nya dengan pelajaran- nya di-sekolah.

Permohonan sa-umpama ini untok mendapat bantuan buku2 yang hendak di-beli oleh sa-orang bapa itu hendak- lah di-sampaikan kapada Pegawai Kebajikan Masharakat di-tempat-nya.

Perkara itu akan dapat di-pertimbang- kan oleh pegawai itu.

Sakian-lah.

Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately into a Committee on the Bill.

resolved itself Bill considered in Committee.

Clauses 1 to 3— it inevitable Dr Lim Chong Eu (Tanjong): Mr Chairman, Sir, that is when we discuss any amendments to the Education Act we have to look very carefully not only to the provi sions as they exist now but also how these provisions will affect us in the future.
In view of the fact that when the Honourable Minister of Education introduced this Bill he clearly stated that there was no change in the policy involved, I did not participate in the second reading of the Bill to talk in terms of general policy.

However, I would like to draw the attention of this House the clauses, namely, Clause 1 (2) which says that "This Act shall apply only to the States of Malaya."
Sir, right at the very first meeting of this session of the House, when we were debating His Majesty's Gracious Speech, I had indicated that it is very necessary and shall be very necessary for us very rapidly to try to create an educational system and an educational policy the which shall not only apply two aspects to in to States of Malaya but throughout the whole of Malaysia, which has now been created as a new nation.
As a matter of fact, when the Honourable Minister of Education made his speech, he made two references, namely, the entire people of our country should be given the opportunity to education and that everyone shall have equal oppor tunity for employment: That, I pre sume, under the clause, refers only to the States of Malaya and not to Ma laysia.
And we hope that in future all references to the entire people of this country will mean not only the people of the States of Malaya but the whole of the States of Malaysia.

to that Sir, the more important point, how ever, comes under Clause 2 (b) namely, "lower secondary education' means a three-year course designed to ascertain the abilities and aptitudes of a child who has completed a six-year course of primary education".
Sir, this is a very important point, because all of us understand that the comprehensive school system is to provide our child ren with the opportunity of nine years education.
However, Sir, it is inevita ble that when you introduce the com prehensive school system—a system which we all support by virtue of the fact it will be providing our children with three more extra years of education—without changing the present policy of education, namely the 1960 Education Act policy, it is inevitable there will be much dislocation and much unhappiness.

I refer in particular to the system as we understand it to apply today.
Under the present system, the primary schools run the medium of instruction in four different streams, that is to say, there is provision, the instruction in primary schools in the medium of the Chinese language.

I do not say this to stir up any emotion, although this is a matter where strong feelings can be stirred up, but I want to point out this issue from a purely administrative and educational point of view.
The children who are at the present moment going into the national the Chinese primary schools but medium will come lower the next secondary school in particular, in into level that the for in 2781 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2782 in the medium of three years the national language and in the medium of English.

These are the provisions of the present policy.
Sir, even prior to the 1960 amendment to the Educa tion Policy it was envisaged that there would be difficulty for children who went to primary schools in one me dium going into secondary schools in a different medium to acclimatize or to get the proper stream, and under the circumstances it was previously provided for a remove form whereby the children who come from one medium can take one year to study further the medium of instruc tion in the secondary schools.
Sir, that would mean that such children would have to go through not three years but four years of education.

themselves into to sit for Mr Chairman, Sir, there is another point, although at the present moment the dislocation is felt mainly by the Chinese medium primary schools— hence the great deal of outcry outside among teachers the Chinese school the Chinese educa associations and tional groups, and even among the M.C.A.
group—the point that we have to consider is that if we institute the comprehensive school system today, beginning 1965, 1966, 1967, under the present policy of education where there are two media of instruction, and unfortunately the two media of instruc tion administratively also are co-related to the extent that children are obli gated the official languages, we know that it has been stated many times in this House and outside this House that it is the intention of the Government to imple ment the policy of making the national language the only national and official language by 1967 and, under the cir cumstances, what will happen will be that the children who are now going yearly from the primary school system into the English stream of the compre hensive school system will by 1967, should the Government still at that time maintain it necessary to make or insist that Malay, the national langu age, shall be the only national language and official the Government's policy is still that the students who have gone through the language, and the L.C.E.
in if lower secondary school must sit the examinations in the L.C.E.

or G.S.E.E.

in the official language, then/ what will happen will be that when there is only Malay as the national language and official the only official language, the present provision of two streams of instruction language, .

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.. Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: Sir, on a point of order under Standing Order 55 (1)—I think the Honourable Member is speaking on the policy now.
The Committee Stage is only confined to the details of the Bill.

Dr Lim Chong Eu: Sir, I am not deviating at all.

I am referring to these three years .

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.. Mr Speaker: Will the Honourable Member confine himself only to the details of the Bill.

school Dr Lim Chong Eu: Sir, I am referring in detail to the provision of a three-year course.

I am only in dicating how the provision will pattern itself out, Sir.
So, what will happen is that the parents really have to decide, and they must make a decision whether their children going from an English stream primary should not convert themselves straight into a na tional medium secondary school; and in making such a conversion the pro vision of a remove form would still be necessary and for them a four-year three-year course course and not a would be necessary.
Sir, if we are to retain the present policy, it seems to me that it would be very necessary for us under Clause 2 (b) to define that lower secondary education means not only a three-year course but a three- year course with a provision for an extra year of a remove form, so that children can adjust themselves from to another medium of one medium instruction.

Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: Mr Chairman, Sir, let me briefly reply to the Honourable Member.
The first point raised by him is on Clause 1 (2) of the Bill.

This Bill, if passed, shall only apply the States of Malaya.

The reason, Sir, is that this Bill is an amendment to the Education Act, 1961 and that the Education Act, to 2783 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2784 to 1961, applies only to the States of Malaya.
So, this Act does not apply to the State of Singapore, which has autonomy in education; neither does it apply the States of Sabah and Sarawak, because Sabah and Sarawak have their own Education Ordinances.

For that reason Clause 1 (2) has been inserted to make it clear that this Bill, when passed, will only apply to the States of Malaya.
for The second point which the Honourable Member tries to get some reply out of me is about the extra those pupils who have year changed their medium of instruction from either the Chinese or Tamil to the English or Malay medium.

Though in my this speech that facilities are being provided for.

That means a child from a Chinese primary school who wants to go into the Eng lish lower secondary school will be given another year remove class—that I can assure the Honour able Member.
is not provided here, I have explained that the in Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Chairman, Sir, since that statement is very, very important; we would have wished it to have been put down in black and white in this Bill.

Clauses 1 to 3 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clauses 4 to 6— Wan Abdul Kadir bin Ismail (Kuala Trengganu Utara): Tuan Pengerusi, memandang kapada Clause 4 dalam Bill ini maka ternyata-lah pelajaran yang akan berjalan dengan panduan Rang Undang2 ini akan merupakan suatu perubahan besar pada pelajaran yang ada di-negeri kita ini, kerana faham dengan ada-nya upper saya schools, upper secondary academic secondary upper secondary technical schools dan upper secondary vocational schools, maka pelajaran menengah kita telah memberi anak2 saloran kapada menyediakan kapada bukan hanya untok mengeluar- kan orang2 yang boleh jadi "white collar" sahaja, kerana sa-panjang masa yang lepas, terutama semenjak masa penjajah, sistem pelajaran yang ada schools, trade dapat collar" dan hanya untok mengeluarkan pekerja2 "white tidak kapada bahagian2 yang lain.
Saya rasa dengan pembangunan yang ada, perubahan ini sangat-lah sa-suai sa-kali dan ini me rupakan suatu revolusi pelajaran yang tidak di-engkarkan.

hendak Tetapi ada satu perkara yang saya ingin mendapat penjelasan daripada Menteri yang berkenaan.
Dengan ada- nya susunan baharu saperti ini, maka apa-kah yang akan jadi kapada sekolah lanjutan kampong atau "rural exten sion school", ada-kah sekolah itu akan di-tukar kelak menjadi upper secon dary trade schools atau upper school vocational schools atau bagaimana?

Kerana sa-panjang masa ini sekolah2 ini memang ada berjalan pada banyak bahagian dalam negeri kita ini.
Dengan memandang kapada Clause 4 ini, maka saya merasa tadi sahabat saya Yang Berhormat dari Bachok memang-lah meraba2 sangat dalam uchapan-nya pada masa dia berchakap tadi, kerana dalam perkara dasar bacha Rang dia memang Undang2 ini dan faham satu persatu dia tidak berchakap bagitu, dan saya menchadangkan supaya di-tukar gelas mata dia itu kalau tidak chukup pakai dua gelas mata.

Terima kaseh.
Terima kaseh.

kalau Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Chairman, Sir, I would like to refer to Clause 4 where there is a substitution headed "Secondary Education" in sub-clause .

provision of education 23 viz " .


.. in national schools and secondary national-type secondary schools of the following description—" from (a) to to (a), regard Sir, with lower secondary schools, I think this provi sion is important, because the Boards of Governors who serve in the various secondary schools are at the present in a quandary as to what moment position they should adopt with regard to the com the prehensive system.
1 speak directly from experience in the Penang Free School where an instance is that the a directive has come down Board the lower secondary school forms in the secondary I schools and believe, the same difficulty prevailing to to consider eliminating implementation of school there is.
2785 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2786 amongst other Boards in other schools; and the provision really has been to add a lower secondary school to a primary school in the implementation the comprehensive school system of and not the question of adding a lower secondary school to an existing national-type secondary school.
to that schools As a matter of fact, I feel the pro vision should have been made where by the Minister should be empowered to add these various items of schools, the existing national (a) to (f), the schools so type primary national-type can primary extend their teaching from six years to nine years and that the provision the should not be taken away from secondary schools.

Sir, I feel there may be some technical differences here.

I am bringing it up merely for the Honourable the Minister.
I am sure he will look into this, because it is certainly creating a great deal of problem.

information of Another point I would like to refer to is Clause 6 regarding Section 117 of the principal Act where in para graph (a) of sub-section (2) the words "whether by a body corporate or otherwise" are to be inserted.
There have been representations from various secondary schools, particularly from the Penang Free School, as to what the actual status of the management this provision will be and whether that a School Board really means would become a body corporate in order to be able to hold autonomy of its own .

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Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: Sir, on a point of clarification.
Clause 6 refers to Section 117 of the principal Act which deals with the Teachers' Provident Fund and has nothing to do with any school manage ment board.
Dr Lim Chong Eu: It does, Sir, to the extent that if the body corporate deals with the Teachers Provident Fund it deals with a lot more; and if the powers are given to the manage ment to deal with the Teachers Pro vident Fund, we hope that the powers of the management would be given to the Boards to a larger extent, so that they could really function as auto the nomous bodies secondary in schools.
This is a matter which I am sure has created a pile of correspon dence from among the various boards the Ministry.

of management with sekolah lanjutan Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: Tuan Pengerusi, Ahli Yang dari Kuala Trengganu Berhormat Utara bertanya, apa-kah akan jadi kapada kampong yang ada sekarang ini.

Tuan Pengerusi, buat masa ini sekolah2 pelajaran lan jutan dan sekolah lanjutan akan di- gunakan sa-bagai sekolah menengah rendah.
Tetapi ada ranchangan supaya mana2 yang layak akan di-tukarkan menjadi sekolah menengah vocational atau sekolah menengah Trade pada satu masa yang akan datang.

(Continues in English): With regard to the point raised by the Honoura- able Member for Tanjong about the position of the Penang Free School, I am not familiar with the technicali ties, but I will certainly look into the matter and, if I can be of any help to this School.

I will gladly do so.

this section He also spoke about section 6.


I think I have made it clear to you, Sir, that the Teachers' Provident Fund Board; we want to turn this Board into a cor porate body so that it will be in a position to administer the Fund more efficiently.

applies to Clauses 4 to 6 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.
THE ELECTIONS (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg the Elections (Amendment) Bill be read a second time.

to move that Members of recall this House will per haps that Article 54 was amended some time last year and the amendment deletes the word "occurs" in Article 54. which appeared then the House To remind Members of 2787 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2788 what Article 54 is, I would like to read it.
Article 54 says: there "Whenever is a casual vacancy amongst the members of either Houses of Parliament, it shall be filled within sixty days from the date on which it occurs and election shall be held or appointment made accor dingly."

The word "occurs" has been deleted and in substitution for it, the words now used are "is established that there is a vacancy".

Therefore, in view of the above amendment, it has now been found necessary to amend sub-section (3) of section 12 of the Election Ordi nance, No.
33 of 1958, by substituting for the existing sub-section a new sub section, and this new sub-section will read as follows: "In relation to a vacancy which is to be filled at a by-election, a writ shall be issued not earlier than ten days and not later than is it thirty days from established that there is such a vacancy."
the date on which That the reason for fixing this mini mum of 10 days is to give time to the parties contesting the election to make preparation, to name their candidate, and it does also give the Election Commission time to make preparation for the election.

So, we have extended the period of issuing a writ from 20 days to 30 days so as to give the Election Commission certain laxity in making preparation and preparing and organising machinery election.
There is nothing more for me to add except that I beg to move that the Bill be read a second time.

for Dato' Dr Ismail: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Commitee of the whole House.

THE PARLIAMENT (MEMBERS' REMUNERATION) (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled the Parliament "an Act (Members' Remuneration) Act, 1960" be read a second time.
to amend Sir, the object of this Bill is to seek the approval of this House on a pro posal that the Deputy Speaker of the Dewan Ra'ayat be paid fixed monthly allowance and given Govern ment quarters in Kuala Lumpur.
a in that is aware This House in December that at last year, its meeting it passed an Act to provide the Deputy President of the Senate and the Deputy Speaker of the Dewan Ra'ayat with an allowance of fifty dollars for every day when they preside for more than one hour in the Senate and in the Dewan Ra'ayat respectively.

It is con sidered respect of Deputy Speaker, of the Dewan Ra'ayat.
whose work is a little bit more heavy, this arrangement is not satisfactory and that a more permanent arrangement should be made with the increase in in Dewan business Government Ra'ayat, the length of time for each sitting of the Dewan and the office duties of the Speaker.

It is only fair that the Deputy Speaker should relieve time to time and the Speaker from assist is in his office duties.
suggested, therefore, that the Deputy Speaker should be given a fixed allow ance of $500 a month, in addition to the allowance he receives as a Mem ber of Parliament, with Government quarters in the Federal Capital.

It Sir, I beg to move.

House immediately into a Committee on the Bill.

resolved itself Dato' Dr Ismail: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr Speaker in the Chair) Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.

Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad (Muar Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun ada-lah menyokong penoh atas Bill ini, chuma saya hendak me- narek perhatian sadikit sahaja ber- hubong dengan kemudahan2 yang ada dengan Timbalan Yang hubongan di-Pertua, ia-itu saya fikir walau pun 2789 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2790 tidak di-sebut di-dalam Bill ini, tetapi ada hubongan-nya dengan mutu dan jawatan Timbalan Yang di- darjah Pertua itu.
Apa yang saya pohonkan, saya ingin menarek perhatian supaya memberi tempat yang khas dalam satu2 upachara dan Majlis kera'ian sa-kurang2-nya bagaimana yang dapat oleh Menteri2 Muda kita.

Hal ini kita perhatikan, Timbalan Yang di-Pertua, pada masa yang lalu tidak dapat ke- mudahan2 ini maka mereka dudok-lah di-tempat2 dzaif kehormat yang biasa.
tempat Sa-lain daripada itu, saya menarek perhatian supaya dapat kira-nya di- berikan dia mileage allowance waktu menjalankan tugas sa-bagai Timbalan Yang di-Pertua.

Sakian-lah, terima kaseh.

sa-macham kehormatan Enche' Hussein bin Toh Muda Hasan (Raub): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka menyertai Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku dan menyokong Rang Undang2 yang ada di-hadapan kita ini.
Timbalan Yang di-Pertua hari Dewan ini sa-patut-nya akan di-beri kehormatan bagaimana sa-patut-nya di-beri kapada Dato' Yang di-Pertua sendiri.

Kerana saya lihat dalam Dewan ini Timbalan Yang itu dudok di-tempat Ahli2 di-Pertua Parlimen biasa sahaja.

Jadi kehor matan itu patut bagi kelebehan sadikit kapada dia dudok dalam Rumah ini, sa-kurang2-nya dia dudok di-sabelah kanan Menteri2 dan di-belakang Menteri Kesihatan, tidak pun sa-baris dengan Penolong Men teri.
Saya sendiri bersama2 dengan Yang Berhormat Timbalan Yang di- Pertua itu dalam Dewan ini sa-lama 5 tahun dan telah membinchangkan ini sa-lama 5 kali tetapi belanjawan apabila Tuan Yang di-Pertua itu terutama sa-kali bila merasa Meshuarat waktu malam, Timbalan Yang di-Pertua, telah dudok hingga sampai pukul sa-belas malam maka elaun bagi Timbalan Yang di-Pertua itu patut di-lebehkan lagi apabila dia mengerusikan Per- sidangan pada waktu malam.
sa-patut-nya leteh, Sa-balek-nya pula, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya hendak menyentoh sadi kit berkenaan dengan Bill2 yang di- di-sebutkan, bawa dalam Dewan ini sunggoh pun ada ia-itu Kerajaan Pusat ada berkuasa menasihatkan atau pun menegorkan Kerajaan Negeri berkenaan Bill2 kerana menentukan sara hidup Ahli2 Parlimen dan Ahli2 Dewan Negeri.
Dewan Negeri nam- sa-macham pak-nya membuat Bill mengikut suka2 hati mereka itu, ada ada pinjaman membeli motokar, dengan ini, itu dan lebeh maka sa-patut-nya mengikut parlia mentary practice elaun .

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.. Mr Speaker: Saya minta Yang Berhormat tolong-lah tepatkan kapada perkara yang ada di-hadapan kita ini.

Enche' Hussein bin Toh Muda: Tidak, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak membuat bandingan sahaja.

Mr Speaker: Bandingan sambil lalu boleh-lah.

(Ketawa).
(Ketawa).

taraf Parlimen, Enche9 Hussein bin Toh Muda: Sambil lalu sahaja.

Tuan Yang di- Pertua, maka oleh sebab taraf Parli men dengan Dewan Negeri itu lebeh tinggi sa-patut-nya keutamaan sa-bagai meninggikan sara hidup Parlimen di-timbangkan Parlimen dahulu dan menasihatkan kapada Kerajaan Negeri itu jangan- lah membuat sa-kehendak hati-nya, hendak-lah menerima nasihat dari pada Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri.
itu ini saya ingat Enche' Abdul Razak bin Haji Hussin (Lipis): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mengalu2kan Rang Undang2 yang di-kemukakan oleh Yang Tera mat Mulia Perdana Menteri sendiri.

Sa-panjang yang sudah dua kali pindaan di-lakukan pada Deputy Speaker kita, bagai mana penerangan yang di-terangkan ini.

Daripada hemat di-bawah Bill saya.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, $500 tidak chukup, apabila kita itu pun bandingkan taraf Timbalan Speaker Dewan ini sa-buah Dewan yang paling tinggi dalam Malaysia ini.
Kita boleh bandingkan dan saya minta ma'af, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pendapatan Setia-usaha Politik kapada Menteri sendiri lebeh tinggi daripada apa yang di-dapat oleh Timbalan Speaker kita.

2791 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2792 Kita Di-mana dudok tinggi-nya yang kita katakan Dewan ini.

Sedangkan dia ada-lah memimpin dan menyempurna- kan kesempurnaan Dewan ini sendiri.
tahu dan kita dengar di- England sendiri baharu2 ini Perdana daripada Menteri-nya £2,000 kapada £6,000 sa-tahun dan Ahli2, Member of Parliament, di- naikkan daripada £1,700 lebeh kapada £2,300 lebeh sa-tahun.

Ahli2 Dewan ini tidak minta lebeh lagi.

(Ketawa).

di-naikkan The Prime Minister: Ini, out of order; dia berchakap fasal gaji Yang Berhor- mat turun naik, apa yang kita bahath- elaun kan Deputy Speaker (Ketawa).
perkara di-sini ia-lah Enche' Abdul Razak bin Haji Hussin: Saya bersetuju, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, Mr Speaker: Ada pun perkara yang di-bahathkan ini ada-lah remuneration, bukan-nya gaji.

memohon kapada Dewan ini supaya memberi satu pakaian yang sa-patut- nya bagi kehormatan kapada-nya dan pada hari ini dan petang yang mulia ini saya mengulang lagi supaya Tim balan Yang di-Pertua itu juga mem- punya'i pakaian yang istimewa yang agak2 sesuai dengan zaman dan masa ini.
Jadi ini-lah harapan saya pada waktu yang akhir ini saya harap apa yang saya sebutkan itu ada dalam pandangan dan ingatan Menteri yang berkenaan dan lagi kapada Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri.

Terima kaseh banyak dan saya harap tidak akan ketinggalan.

lebeh2 the Mr Speaker: I shall now put Question to the House, that the Bill be now read .

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The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, there is another Honourable Member who wants to speak on increment of allowances to Members of the House (Laughter).

itu $500 sendiri (Ketawa).

jalan yang sendiri mendapat Enche' Abdul Razak bin Haji Hussin: Tadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sambil2 sudah boleh membenarkan lalu, paut-lah sadikit2 (Ketawa).
Saya chuma mengikuti tuan tebas Jadi dalam masa sokongan saya yang penoh kapada Bill faham, ini, saya peruntokan pun memandangkan kapada nilaian khid- mat perjawatan kapada Dewan ini pun tidak menchukupi.

Saya memohon kapada Perdana Menteri pada masa yang akan datang supaya menimbang- kan peruntokan yang lebeh baik, bukan sahaja kapada Timbalan Yang di- Pertua, bahkan kapada Menteri2 Yang sendiri pun patut Berhormat di- (Ketawa).
Tetapi timbangkan juga dalam masa menimbangkan faedah atau pendapatan kapada Timbalan dan Yang Menteri2 Yang Berhormat, jangan-lah lupa pada kami yang ada di-hujong ini.

(Ketawa).

di-Pertua, sendiri itu Sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya chuma hendak me- nyentoh sadikit sahaja lagi, bila mana, Tuan Yang di-Pertua tidak ada dalam Dewan persidangan ini di-jalankan oleh Yang Berhormat Timbalan Yang di-Pertua.
Saya telah berchakap dan EXEMPTED BUSINESS (Motion) Dato' Dr Ismail: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable before you allow to to speak, I would Member move, "That notwithstanding the pro visions of Standing Order 12, the House shall not adjourn until after the (Members' Remuneration) Parliament third Bill reading.

shall have received like its Dato' V. T. Sambanthan): Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 12, the House shall not adjourn until after the Parliament (Members' Remuneration) Bill shall have received its third reading.

Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman (Seberang Tengah): Tuan Yang di- Pertua, beberapa hari yang lalu apa- bila saya dapat Order Paper, saya pun buka-lah hendak membacha di-dalam "on the commencement of Public Business Bill No.

2".
2".

Saya lihat ada Parliament Members Remuneration Amendment Bill, saya pun berkobar2, ini di-tujukan barangkali harus Bill 2793 26 NOVEMBER 1964 2794 kapada Ahli2 Dewan ini.

Jadi, apabila saya datang di-sini baharu petang kelmarin saya dapat Bill D.R.

35 ia-itu berkenaan dengan gaji Timbalan Yang di-Pertua Dewan Ra'ayat.

Saya suka mendapat tahu daripada Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri (b) berkenaan dengan Section "Quarters which shall be provided free of charge".
Oleh sebab memandang- kan kedudokan Tuan Speaker dan Timbalan Tuan Yang di-Pertua dalam Dewan ini saya ber- harap sangat2-lah supaya rumah per- chuma chukup ini di-beri dengan lengkap—furnished quarters dan di- bahagi pula dengan servants dan lain2 lagi bagaimana Tuan Yang di-Pertua sendiri mendapat.

taraf dan (3) Saya merayu-lah kapada Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana Menteri, supaya ini di-lengkapkan, quarters quarters yang perkakas2-nya lengkap dengan orang2-nya sa-kali.

Terima kaseh.
Terima kaseh.

ia-itu soal berkenaan kehormatan Jadi, menurut atoran The Prime Minister: Tuan Speaker, soal yang di-bangkitkan di-atas perkara dengan ini bagi Deputy tempat Speaker.

ini ia-lah Ahli Dewan Deputy Speaker Ra'ayat, dan terpaksa-lah atoran ini di-jalankan saperti dahulu juga ia-itu dudok di-tempat yang Ahli Yang Berhormat ini mewakili kawasan-nya, dengan kerana itu belum lagi dapat di-atorkan tempat yang lain.
Sa-lain daripada itu ada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat meminta di-tambahkan elaun bagi Deputy Speaker, ini lebeh daripada mana yang di-untokkan dalam Bill yang ada di-hadapan Majlis ini.
Jadi, saya nampak tentang hal ini sa- lepas di-beri pandangan dan timbang- menimbang, nampak-nya $500 yang telah di-tetapkan itu berpatutan, ke rana dia juga dapat menerima elaun sa-bagai Member of Parliament, dan juga dapat rumah dan motokar, dan elaun motorkar berkenaan dengan itu, juga saya ingat dahulu dia terima sa-bagai ahli, Member of Parliament, apabila menjalankan kerja luar dari pada tempat ini, jadi saya tidak-lah nampak sebab yang hendak di-adakan pindaan.
Jadi, apa yang di-kehendaki oleh banyak Ahli2 Yang Berhormat ini apabila mendengar sahaja Members of Parliament Remuneration Bill hendak di-pinda, masing2 ada-lah cha- dangan-nya hendak pinda juga elaun yang di-bayar kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat.
tumpukan untok Jadi baharu sahaja saya nampak mereka itu dapat naik elaun, kalau di-tambah pula, harus juga sambutan di-dalam negeri ini tidak elok, tam- bahan pula pada masa ini kita menghadapi confrontasi, dan kena-lah kita perbelanjaan kapada perusahaan kita hendak meng- amankan negeri ini, Dengan kerana itu, saya minta Ahli2 Yang Berhormat sabar-lah dahulu, pada masa hadapan apabila selesai confrontasi, saya harap dapat-lah menimbangkan permintaan Ahli2 Yang Berhormat sekalian.
Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee, (Mr Speaker in the Chair) Clauses 1 and 2 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: time and passed.

the read Adjourned at 6.40 p.m. third