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Jilid IV No.
26 Hari Sabtu 27hb Januari, 1968 PERBAHATHAN PARLIMEN DEWAN RA'AYAT YANG KEDUA PENGGAL KEEMPAT PENYATA RASMI KANDONGAN-NYA PENANGGOHAN (USUL) [Ruangan 4297] PENERANGAN OLER AHLI YANG BERHORMAT DARI BATU (Dr Tan Chee Khoon) [Ruangan 4298] RANG UNDANG2: Rang Undang2 Perbekalan, 1968 (Bachaan Kali Yang Kedua) [Ruangan 4301] DI·CHETAK Dl-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, A.M.N., PENCHETAK KERAIAAN KUALA LUMPUR 1968 MALAYSIA DEWAN RA'AYAT YANG KEDUA PENGGAL YANG KEEMPAT Penyata Rasmi Hari Sabtu.
27hb Januari, 1968 Persidangan bermula pada pukul 10.00 pagi YANG HADHIR: Yang Berhormat Tuan Yang di-Pertua, DATO' CHIK MOHAMED YusuF BIN SHEIKH ABDUL RAHMAN, s.P.M.P., J.P., Dato' Bendahara, Perak.

Perdana Menteri dan Menteri Hal Ehwal Luar Negeri, Y.T.M.

TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PuTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M.

(Kuala Kedah).

Timbalan Perdana Menteri, Menteri Pettahanan, Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri dan Menteri Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar, Y.A.B.

TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N.

(Pekan).
(Pekan).

Menteri Kewangan, Y.A.B.

TUN TAN Srnw SIN, s.s.M., J.P. (Melaka Tengah).

Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos dan Talikom, Y.A.B.

TUN v. T. SAMBANTHAN, s.S.M., P.M.N.

(Sungai Siput).

Menteri Pengangkutan, Y.B.

TAN SR1 HAJI SARDON BIN HA.Jr JUBIR, P.M.N.

(Pontian Utara).

Menteri Pelajaran, TUAN MOHAMED KHIR JoHARI (Kedah Tengah).

Menteri Kesihatan, TUAN BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah).

Menteri Perdagangan dan Perusahaan.

DR-LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan).


Menteri Kebajikan 'Am, TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT ALI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang).

Menteri Buroh, TUAN V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K.

(Kelang).

Menteri Hal Ehwal Tanah dan Galian dan Menteri Ke'adilan, DATO' HAJr ABDUL-RAHMAN BIN YA'KUB (Sarawak).

Menteri Muda Kebudayaan, Belia dan Sokan, ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ABDUL KADIR, D.P.M.T., J.M.N., P.J.K.

(Trengganu Tengah).

Menteri Muda Pelajaran, TUAN LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Sepang).
(Sepang).

Menteri Muda Kewangan, DR NG KAM POH, J.P. (Teluk Anson).

Menteri Muda Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri, TUAN HAMZAH BIN DATO' ABU SAMAH (Raub).

Setia-usaha Parlimen kapada Menteri Kesihatan, TUAN IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN, J.M.N.

(Seberang Tengah).

4291 27 JANUARI 19'68 4292 Yang Berhormat Setia-usaha Parlimen kapada Menteri Buroh, TUAN LEE SAN CHOON, K.M.N.

(Segamat Selatan).

Setia-usaha Parlimen kapada Menteri Kewangan, TUAN Au BIN HAJI AHMAD (Pontian Selatan).
TUAN NIK ABDUL AZIZ BIN NIK MAT (Kelantan Hilir).

TuAN HAJI ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N.

(Melaka Utara).

TUAN ABDUL KARIM BIN ABU, A.M.N.

(Melaka Selatan).

WAN ABDUL KADIR BIN ISMAIL, P.P.T.

(Kuala Trengganu Utara).

TUAN ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJ1 RUSSIN (Lipis).

Y.A.M.

TUNKU ABDULLAH IBNI AL-MARHUM TUANKU ABDUL RAHMAN, P.P.T.

(Rawang).

TUAN HAJI ABU BAKAR BIN HAMZAH, J.P. (Bachok).

TUAN AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N.

(Muar Utara).

WAN ALWI BIN TUANKU IBRAHIM (Sarawak).

TUAN RAFAEL ANCHETA, A.M.N.


(Sabah).

DR AWANG BIN HASSAN, S.M.J.

(Muar Selatan).

TUAN AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam).

TUAN CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N.

(Kluang Selatan).

TUAN CHAN SEONG YooN (Setapak).

TUAN CHAN SIANG SUN, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Bentong).

TUAN CHEW BIOW CHuoN, J.P. (Broas).

TUAN CHIN FOON (Ulu Kinta).

TUAN c. v. DEVAN NAIR (Bungsar).

TUAN SYED ESA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S.

(Batu Pahat Dalam).

DATIN HAJJAH FATIMAH BINTI HAJ1 ABDUL MAJID (Johor Bahru Timor).
Yang Berbahagia TAN SRI FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N.

(Jitra-Padang Terap).

Yang Berhormat TUAN GANING BIN JANGKAT (Sabah).

,, TuAN GEH CHONG KEAT, K.M.N.

(Pulau Pinang Utara).

w AN HASSAN BIN WAN DAUD (Tumpat).

DATO' HAJI HUSSEIN BIN MOHD.

NOORDIN, D.P.M.P., A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Parit).

TUAN HUSSEIN BIN SULAIMAN (Ulu Kelantan\ TUAN HAJI HussAIN RAHIMI BIN HAn SAMAN, s.M.K., J.P. (Kota Bharu Hulu).

TUAN LEE SECK FUN, K.M.N.

(Tanjong Malim).

DR LIM CHONG Eu (Tanjong).

TUAN LIM PEE HUNG, P.J.K.


(Alor Star).

TUAN T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.M.N., J.P. (Port Dickson).

TUAN JOSEPH DAVID MANJAJI (Sabah).

DATO' HAJJ MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA, S.P.M.K.

(Pasir Puteh).

TUAN MOHD.

DAUD BIN ABDUL SAMAD (Besut).

TUAN MOHAMED IDRIS BIN MATSIL, J.M.N., P.J.K., J.P. (J elebu-J empol).

4293 27 JANUARI 1968 4294 Yang Berhormat TuAN MOHD.

TAHIR BIN ABDUL MAJID, s.M.s., P.J.K.

(Kuala Langat).

TUAN HAJI MOHAMED YusoF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N.

(Temerloh).

WAN MoKHTAR BIN AHMAD (Kemaman).


TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HUI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan).

TUAN MUHAMMAD FAKHRUDDIN BIN HAJI ABDULLAH (Pasir Mas Hilir).

DATO' HAJI MusTAPHA BIN HAJI ABDUL JABAR, D.P.M.s., A.M.N., J.P. (Sabak Bemam).

TUAN MUSTAPHA BIN AHMAD (Tanah Merab).

Yang Berbahagia TAN SRI NIK AHMAD KAMIL, D.K., s.P.M.K., s.J.M.K., P.M.N., P.Y.G.P., Dato' Sri Setia Raja (Kota Bharu Hilir).

Yang Berhormat TUAN NG FAH YAM (Batu Gajah).

TUAN HAJI OTHMAN BIN ABDUi.LAH (Hilir Perak).


TUAN OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Perlis Utara).

TUAN RAMLI BIN OMAR (Krian Darat).

TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD.

SAID, P.J.K., J.P. (Rembau-Tampin).

RAJA ROME BIN RAJA MA'AMOR, P.J.K., J.P. (Kuala Selangor).

TUAN SEAH TENG NGIAB, P.I.S.

(Muar Pantai).

TUAN SENAWI BIN ISMAIL, P.J.K.

(Seberang Selatan).

TUAN SOH AH TECK (Batu Pahat).

TUAN HAJI SULEIMAN BIN Au (Dungun).

PENGIRAN TAHIR PETRA (Sabah).

TUAN TAJUDIN BIN ALI, P.J.K.

(Larut Utara).


TUAN TAMA WENG TINGGANG WAN (Sarawak).

DR TAN CHEE KHOON (Batu).

TUAN TAN TOH HONG (Bukit Bintang).

TUAN TIAH ENG BEE (Kluang Utara).

TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD.

TAIB, P.J.K.

(Langat).

YANG TIADA HADHIR: Yang Berhormat Menteri Kerajaan Tempatan dan Perumahan, TUAN KHAW KAI-BOH, P.J.K.

(Ulu Selangor).

Menteri Hal Ehwal Sarawak, Y.B.

TAN SRI TEMENGGONG JUGAH ANAK BARIENG, P.M.N., P.D.K.

(Sarawak).
(Sarawak).

Menteri Penerangan dan Penyiaran dan Menteri Kebudayaan, Belia dan Sokan, TUAN SENU BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Kubang Pasu Barat).

Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama, TUAN HAJI MOHD.

GHAZAL!

BIN HAJI JAWI (Ulu Perak).

Menteri Muda Ta' Berjabatan, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara).

Menteri Muda Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar, Tu AN SuLAIMAN BIN BUI.ON, P.J.K.

(Bagan Datoh \ Setia-usaha Parlimen kapada Timbalan Perdana Menteri, TUAN CHEN WING SuM (Damansara).
TUAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB, P.J.K.

(Kuantan).

.

4295 27 J A.NU ARI 1968 4296 Yang Berhormat WAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN DATO' TuANK.U BUJANG, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN HAJI ABDUL RASHID BIN HAJI JAIS (Sabah).

TUAN ABDUL TAIB BIN MAHMUD (Sarawak).

DATO' ABDULLAH BIN ABDULRAHMAN, s.M.T •• Dato' Bijaya di-Raja (Kuala Trengganu Selatan).

TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD.

SALLEH.

A.M.N •• S.M.J •• P.I.S.

(Segamat Utara).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAAID, J.P. (Seberang Utara).

PuAN AJIBAH BINTI ABOL (Sarawak).


TUAN JONATHAN BANGAU ANAK RENANG, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

PENGARAH BANYANG ANAK JANTING, P.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN CHIA CHIN SHIN, A.B.S.

(Sarawak) .

.

TUAN FRANCIS CHIA NYUK TONG (Sabah).

TUAN D. A. DAGO ANAK RANDAN alias DAGO ANAK RANDEN, A.M.N.

(Sarawak).

TUAN EDWIN ANAK T ANGKUN (Sarawak).

TUAN s. FAZUL RAHMAN, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

DATU GANIE GILONG, P.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).

TUAN HAJI HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N .• P.J.K.

(Kapar).

TUAN HANAFI BIN MOHD.

YuNUs.


A.M.N., J.P. (Kulim Utara).

TUAN HANAFIAH BIN HUSSAIN, A.M.N.

(Jerai).

TUAN HARUN BIN ABDULLAH.

A.M.N .• J.P. (Baling).

TUAN STANLEY Ho NGUN Kmu, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

Yang Amat Berbahagia TUN DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, S.S.M., P.M.N., S.P.M.J.

(Johor Timor).

Yang Berhormat TUAN ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Pulau Pinang Selatan).

Yang Berbahagia TAN SRI SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, P.M.N.

(Johor Tenggara).
(Johor Tenggara).

Yang Berhormat PENGHULU JINGGUT ANAK ATTAN, Q.M.c., K.M.N., A.B.s.

(Sarawak).

TUAN KADAM ANAK KIAi (Sarawak).

TUAN KAM WOON WAH.

J.P. (Sitiawan).

TUAN THOMAS KANA, K.M.N.

(Sarawak).

TUAN KHOO PENG LOONG (Sarawak).

TUAN EDMUND LANGGU ANAK SAGA (Sarawak).

TUAN AMADEUS MATHEW LEONG, A.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).

TUA~ LIM KEAN SIEW (Dato KramaO.

DATO' LING BENG SIEW, P.N.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TuAN PETER Lo Su YIN (Sabah).

DR MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMED (Kota Star Selatan).


TUAN c. JOHN ONDU MAJAKIL (Sabah).

DATO' DR HAJI MEGAT KHAS, D.P.M.P., J.P., P.J.K.

(Kuala Kangsar).

TUAN MOHD.

ARIF SALLEH, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

ORANG TUA MOHAMMAD DARA BIN LANGPAD (Sabah).

4297 27 JANUARI 1968 4298 Yang Berbormat TUAN MOHD.

ZAHlR BIN HAn IsMAJL, J.M.N.

(Sungai Petani).

TuAN HAJI MUHAMMAD Su'AUT BIN HAJI MuHD.

TAHIR, A.B.s.

(Sarawak). "

Yang Amat Berbahagia TUN DATU MusTAPHA BIN DATU HARUN, s.M.N., P.D.K.

(Sabah).
(Sabah).

Yang Berhormat TuAN ONG KEE HUI (Sarawak).

TUAN QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Timor).

TUAN HAJI RAHMAT BIN HAn DAuo, A.M.N.

(Joh or Bahru Barat).

TUAN D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh).

DATO' s. P. SEENIVASAGAM, D.P.M.P., P.M.P., J.P. (Menglembu).

TUAN SIM BOON LlANG, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN Smw LOONG HIN, P.J.K.

(Seremban Barat).

TUAN SNG CHIN Joo (Sarawak).

TuAN SULAIMAN BIN HAJI TAIB (Krian Laut).

TUAN TAI KUAN YANG, A.M.N.

(Kulim Bandar Bharu).

TUAN TAN CHENG BEE, A.M.N., J.P. (Bagan).


TUAN TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka).

TUAN TAN TSAK Yu (Sarawak}, TUAN TOH THEAM HOCK (Kampar).

TUAN YEH PAO TzE, A.M.N.

(Sabah).

TUAN STEPHEN YONG KuET TZE (Sarawak).

TENGKU ZAID BIN TENGKU AHMAD (Pasir Mas Hulu).
DO'A (Tuan Yang di-Pertua mempengerusikan Meshuarat) PENANGGOHAN (USUL) Timbalan Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menchadangkan, Bahawa apabila tamat meshuarat hari ini, Majlis ini akan di-tanggohkan hingga pukul 10 pagi hari Jsnin, 5hb Februari, 1968. sa-minggu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saperti yang ini di-tang di-chadangkan Dewan gohkan Iama-nya untok hendak membolehkan Ahli2 Yang Ber hormat menyambut tahun baharu China, dengan sebab itu tidak di-ada kan meshuarat pada minggu hadapan dan meshuarat ini di-mulakan pada Shb Februari, hari Isnin, minggu sa kali lagi.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sukachita menchadangkan.

Menteri Kewangan (Tun Tan Siew saya Sin): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, menyokong.

Usul di-kemuka bagi di-putuskan, dan di-setujukan.

Di-putuskan, Bahawa apabila tamat meshuarat hari ini, Majlis ini akan di-tanggohkan hingga pukul 10 pagi hari Jsnin, 5hb Februari, 1968.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, ada satu permintaan dari pada Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Batu di-bawah Atoran dan Peratoran Me ia-itu dia menerangkan shuarat 14, sadikit berkenaan dengan perkara yang di-sebutkan perbahathan di-dalam petang hari semalam-Ahli Yang Ber hormat dari Batu berasa hangat dan di-kachaui, translation-nya, "hot and bothered", berkenaan dengan perkara ini.

Jadi, saya izinkan dia menerangkan.


PENERANGAN OLEH AHLI YANG BERHORMAT DARI BATU (Dr TAN CHEE KHOON) Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu): Mr Speaker, Sir, I am indeed grateful to you for your kind indulgence in this matter.

4299 27 JANUARI 1968 4300 Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Hendak ber chakap apa Bahasa?

regarding Dr Tan Chee Khoon (dengan izin): Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish to make a personal explanation the personal attack made on me by the Minister of Education yesterday.
I regret that the Minister of Education felt that I had made a personal attack on him when I referred to the fiddling of examination results.

I did not-I repeat I did not at any time say he was personally responsible for doing that.

But if I had attacked the civil servants who were responsible, the Minister would say that I was unfair as the civil servants had no chance to make a personal reply to my charges.
I have in my short stay in this House tried not to make any attack on civil servants personally, and hence I had to lay the Minister of Education.

There is nothing · personal about it.

But someone has to take the blame and I had to lay the blame on the Minister of Education in his official capacity.

It the Minister did not say a word regarding the charge about the H.S.C.

Entrance Examination.


As for the statistics that he has produced, I shall comment on them when we reach the Committee stage of the debate on the Ministry of Education.

the blame on is significant that The other personal explanation that I wish to make is in regard to my son.

It is unfortunate that the Minister should want to drag my son into this debate.
Mr Speaker, Sir, to put the matter in its true perspective, I shall quote, very briefly, from the testimonial that my son obtained from the Head master of the Victoria Institution, Kuala Lumpur.

I quote- "Tan Kee Kwong (that is the name of my boy) has been a pupil of the Victoria Jnstitu _tion since 1960.

He has made steady progress in his work and passed the School Certificate Examination with a Grade I in 1964.
In 1966 he obtained the full Higher School Certificate with a pass in the General Papers, Principal level passes in Botany, Chemistry and Zoo· logy, and Physics at Subsidiary level.

Kee Kwong had a coloured and rich life in the school, participating in every conceiv able aspect of school life.

He has been a real credit to the school in his diverse extra curricular activities.
In the field of sports he has been an exceptionally active figure and has represented the school in cricket, soccer and hockey, and the House in athletics and water-polo.

Owing to his enthusiasm and able leader ship, he was elected the school Hockey Captain and the House Captain for two successive years.

Besides these, he has been a Committee member of the Literary and Debating Society, a member of the Science and Mathematics Society, and a senior Scout.
He was made a school Prefect in 1964, and two years later he achieved the rare distinc tion of being school Captain, a post requiring outstanding sportsmanship and leadership and scholastic ability.

Tan Kee Kwong has been one of the outstanding pupils of the Victoria Institution, especially as an all-round sports man, leader and scholar.

He has rare leader ship qualities and has helped greatly in the pupils maintaining discipline amongst during his tenure of office as school Captain in 1966.
As school Captain too he has played a very leading part in moulding and shaping school life and helping the Headmaster in the day-to-day administration of the school.

entails great difficulties and The post also sacrifice, especially as the Victoria Institution is a large school with so numerous activities.

Kee Kwong was a very unselfish leader and could have done very much better in his examinations if the school had not made so many exacting demands on him."
that For the benefit of the Minister of Education, I have another boy who is now doing his finals in Medicine in the University of Singapore and he ended up there as the President of the Univer sity of Singapore Students Union and had a confrontation with the Prime Minister the there.

This boy Minister quoted, had applied for admis sion into the University of Malaya for courses in Medicine, Agriculture and Science.

He failed to get into Medicine but got admission into Agriculture and Science.
Although at that time I was already the Deputy Chairman of the University Council, I did not breathe a word of my son's application to any of the staff of the University of Malaya.

But as the boy wanted to do Medicine, I persuaded him to repeat his examina tion.
Mr Speaker, Sir, the Minister knows the boy personally and he also knows full well that the only reason why I approached him was that I felt the boy had literally sacrificed his studies for the good name of the school, as the Headmaster has stated.

I am still grate ful for the great favour that the Minister 4301 27 JANUARI 1968 4302 has made to the boy, but it is unfor tunate that he should drag this matter into this debate.
To him I shall repeat what Caeser said to Brutus-"Et tu Brute" freely translated it means "And thou too Brutus".

Thank you.

Menteri Pelajaran (Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari (dengan izin): What the Honourable Member for Batu has said has not altered the situation.

(Applause).
(Applause).

RANG UNDANG2 RANG UNDANG2 PERBEKALAN, 1968 Bacbaan Kali Yang Kedua Atoran Urusan Meshuarat di-bachakan bagi menyambong sa-mula Perbahathan yang di-tanggohkan atas masaalah, "Bahawa Rang Undang2 ini di-bacha kan kali yang kedua sekarang" (26hb Januari, 1968).
Menteri Hal Ehwal Tanah dan Galian (Dato' Haji Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Temerloh telah menyeru Kementerian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama supaya ber ikhtiar bagi mengawal tanaman padi sup1ya masa menuai padi tidak pula jatoh pada musim hujan dengan chara menukarkan masa2 bagi menuai.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-tiap2 Jajahan ada Jawatan-kuasa yang di-pengerusikan oleh Tuan Pegawai Daerah yang tarikh untok bertanam menetapkan padi mula1 dari menyemai dan menuai dan tarikh2 ini ada-lah sa-lepas meng kaji musim hujan dan panas supaya bekalan ayer dapat di-adakan sa-bagai mana yang di-kehendaki.

Di-beberapa kawasan terutama sa-kali di-Pantai Timor maseh berkurangan tali ayer dan petani menanam padi dengan berkuala ka-langit, ia-itu bergantong kapada ayer hujan.
Dengan hal yang demikian sangat sukar hendak menentu kan tarikh menanam dan membuat segala pekerjaan menanam padi meng ikut keadaan chuacha.

Dengan hal yang bagi sangat-lah demikian tanaman padi mengikut mengawal tarikh yang tertentu, malah petani2 maseh menanam mengikut keadaan chuacha dan dengan hal yang demikian mereka terpaksa mengalami berbagai sukar jenis benchana alam saperti banjir, kemarau dan lain2 yang di-sebabkan oleh perubahan keadaan iklim.
Waiau pun bagitu, Tuan Yang di Pertua, jadual bertanam padi di-tempat2 ini di-buat dengan berpandu kapada chatitan2 hujan2 yang ada tersimpan di-Pejabat2-nya.

Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Muar Utara telah menyeru supaya Kemen terian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerja sama hendak-lah mengambil langkah bagi menambahkan lagi pengeluaran makanan2 umpama-nya padi, jagong, ubi kayu dan lain2.
Tuan Yang di Pertua, saya tidak-lah berniat hendak memberi penjelasan yang panjang lebar dalam perkara ini, pada petang kelmarin saya telah memberi penjelasan mengena1 dasar2 Kerajaan untok membanyakkan tanaman2 padi dan buah2an yang lain atau pun makanan2 yang lain di-dalam negara kita.

Di-dalam perbinchangan untok peruntokan pembangunan negara, saya perchaya, satu perbahathan akan lagi timbul dalam perkara ini, jadi elok-lah penjelasan dalam perkara ini di-tunggu sampai kapada tingkat itu.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Kuala Kangsar telah berkata sa-malam, ia-itu memandang kapada kekurangan Pegawai2 Kerja sama di-kawasan Kuala Kangsar, Ke rajaan mesti-lah mengadakan empat orang Pegawai Kerjasama bagi men jalankan itu.

Menurut susunan pentadbiran Bahagian Kemajuan Kerjasama, sa-orang Pegawai Kerjasama ada-lah di-tugaskan me ngawal di-antara tiga puloh hingga empat puloh buah sharikat dalam satu kawasan atau lingkongan yang biasa nya mengandongi satu District atau pun Daerah.
tugas2 yang banyak Di-kawasan Kuala Kangsar ada hanya 40 buah Sharikat Kerjasama yang boleh di-kawal dengan sempurna nya oleh sa-orang Pegawai Kerjasama.

Waiau pun bagitu, Tuan Yang di Pertua, Bahagian Kemajuan Kerjasama menchadangkan hendak menempatkan sa-orang pemereksa kerjasama di-Kuala Kangsar untok menolong pegawai yang ada.

Demikian-lah sahaja jawapan saya bagi pehak Yang Berhormat Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama.
4303 27 JANUARl 1968 4304 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-bagai Men teri Hal Ehwal Tanah dan Galian, saya ingin menjawab beberapa pandangan yang telah di-kemukakan dalam Dewan ini.

Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Jitra Padang Terap telah bertanya mengapa tidak di-buka tanah dengan lebeh giat lagi, umpama-nya tanah2 yang di-dapati tidak sesuai untok ranchangan F.L.D.A.

boleh-lah membuka untok pemohon2 persaorangan.


Ahli Yang Berhormat itu telah menerangkan, ia-itu patut-lah perkara ini di-binchangkan di-dalam Majlis Tanah Negara untok membuat ketetapan menggesa Negeri2 itu mem buka tanah.

Saya ingin memberi pen jelasan ia-itu Majlis Tanah Negara telah membuat polisi memang-lah saperti yang di-katakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu.
Ahli Yang Berhormat Dato' Ling Beng Siew daripada Sarawak telah menyeru supaya lebeh banyak tanah lagi di-Sarawak di-beri kapada ra'ayat supaya dapat ranchangan pembangunan di-jalankan.
Masaalah pemberian tanah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-bagaimana kita ketahui ada-lah masaalah Kerajaan Negeri, bagaimana pun kita sakalian tahu bahawa Kerajaan Negeri Sarawak telah pun membahagi2kan tanah untok ranchangan yang di-jalankan oleh Ke rajaan, dan di-masa2 yang akan datang, saya perchaya lebeh banyak lagi tanah2 yang akan di-keluarkan oleh Kerajaan Negeri.
Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Temerloh telah menyentohkan Jabatan Kehutanan, mengenai masaalah perusahaan kayu balak ya'ani tentang sukatan 50 cubic feet satu tan dan juga tentang timbangan 40 cubic feet satu tan apabila kayu balak itu di-muatkan di-atas kereta2 atau pun terak2.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perkara 50 cubic feet satu tan yang di-kemukakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu dalam uchapan-nya, ia-lah chara mengira yang tertentu, ya'ani ukuran di-gelar kan true measure dan chukai2 yang di perbuatkan di-atas ukuran mengikut cubic feet, saperti juga dua ela satu depa, tiga kaki satu ela, bagitu-lah juga 50 cubic feet di-kirakan satu tan.

Ini yang di-panggil true measure.

Ukuran yang di-perbuat pada diameter balak, atau pun pangkal dan di-dharab dengan panjang-nya.
Tetapi kilang2 papan dalam negara kita ini atau pun si-pembeli2 di-ukur-nya lilitan balak2 itu di-tengah2 di-bawah kulit dan di ·dharab dengan panjang-nya.

Ukuran yang di-perbuat oleh si-pembeli, ia-lah chara yang di-gelar Hopp measure yang mana isi kayu kurang daripada true measure.
Perbuatan ia-lah dengan suka hati si-pembeli sahaja dan betul-lah orang yang menjual kayu tidak balak berjaga2• itu akan rugi, jikalau ini Berkenaan dengan tafsiran berat kayu, maka telah di-persetujui oleh Jabatan Kerja Raya, Jabatan Kende raan, Polis dan juga J abatan Hu tan menentukan 40 cubic feet, ia-lah ber samaan satu tan berat, bukan satu tan mengira volume kayu itu, tetapi satu tan berat.
Persetujuan ini di-perbuat, ia lah bagi menyenangkan mentaksirkan berat kayu balak yang di-muatkan ka dalam lori, jika tidak terpaksa-lah tiap2 lori berisi kayu balak di-timbang, sebab jalan2 raya ada-lah di-hadkan berat-nya bagi satu2 kenderaan yang boleh melalu"i jalan itu.

Maka dengan persetujuan ini, dapat-lah perkara berat kayu yang di-bawa oleh lori2 di tafsirkan de;ngan mudah.

Perjalanan ini ada-lah menyenangkan yang sa benar-nya pembalak2 kayu.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perkara cubic feet bagi mengenakan chukai tidak menjadi soal, sebab chukai kayu ada lah di-kenakan kapada satu2 cubic feet, sama ada di-Malaysia Barat, mahu pun di-Malaysia Timor.

Bagitu juga kapada kenderaan, tiap2 lori itu di tentukan berapa cubic feet dia boleh memuatkan daripada segi berat kayu itu, tetapi bagi si-pembeli membuat ukuran-nya sendiri itu, ia-lah di-atas persetujuan si-pembeli dengan si-pen jual.
Di-atas perkara menggalakkan per usahaan2 kayu kayan mendirikan kilang2 papan, memang-lah menjadi dasar Kerajaan di-dalam negara kita ini, ia-itu dengan sa-berapa boleh-nya kita menggalakkan penjualan keluar negeri kayu2 yang telah di-jadikan papan, tetapi baru2 ini tadi, kita terpaksa me longgarkan polisi itu, oleh kerana ba nyak sangat kayu balak yang keluar 4305 ~~ 27 JANUARI 1968 4306 dalam negeri kita clan kilang2 papan tidak dapat membeli semua-nya untok di-proseskan dalam kilang 2 itu.
Polisi Kerajaan memang suka kayu2 ini di proses dalam negara kita sendiri, ke mudian itu baharu-lah di-jual keluar negeri.

ingin menerangkan bahawa tidak lama lagi, saya akan mengadakan satu meshuarat dengan Pengerusi MARA mengenai: perusa haan kilang2 papan di-kalangan bumi putra2 kita di-Malaysia Barat di-sini.

Saya Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sadikit sahaja lagi, ya'ani saya minta kebenaran untok beruchap di-dalam bahasa Ing gcris, memberi jawapan kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Ipoh.
Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Member for Ipoh, as usual, has made many wild allegations, which I am sure he himself does not honestly believe, against the Ministry of Justice.

He alleges, amongst other things, that lawyers in this country do not know who the Minister of Justice is, because I, as Minister of Justice, was never seen in the courts.

I agree, Sir, that I have never appeared in any court in West Malaysia, nor in East Malaysia, from the time I became a Minister.
If I do show myself, as the Honourable Member appeared to have suggested, too often in courts, then I am sure he will come to the Dewan and he will say: ''Look, what is the Minister of Justice doing in courts every now and then?

Is he trying to interfere with the administration of justice?"

Mr Speaker, Sir, this.

is the sort of Honourable Member of the Opposition with whom we have to deal in this Dewan.
To say that lawyers in this ceuntry do not know who the Minister of Justice is, is really not to speak the truth.

In it is really an insult to their fact, intelligence.

In this House alone there are so many lawyers, to our right here, and also in front, and I have many other lawyers friends outside who have come to see me in the course of my duties as Minister of Justice.
His allegation that the Ministry of Justice or the Government has made no plans whatsoever for improvement of the courts, is again a cheap, wild attempt to pull wool over public eyes.

If he had taken the trouble .to study the First Malaysia Plan, he would have discovered that there are provi sions under Head 102 of $4.4 million for Court Houses in West Malaysia, and again $1.3 million for the Jessel ton High Court.
Whatever may be the provisions voted, Mr Speaker, Sir, the most important thing in the adminis tration of justice is not whether or not we have air-conditioned court rooms, but whether or not the Constitution, the Executive, and others in this country, guarantee that justice is done and seen to be done in Malaysia, and I think we, the Alliance Government, are very proud of our record that we have never at any time interfered with the admi nistration of justice here.
the Government, first-class these improvements Mr Speaker, Sir, for the information of this House-this really comes under the Development Plan-I would like to say briefly that since 1964 we have to carried out Court Houses: Court House, Kuala Berang, costing $22, 700, that was done in 1964; Court House, Klang, $225,430.

in 1965; Court House, Kuala done Trengganu, $308,306 in 1965; Court House, Kuala Selangor, $88,967.
There are many other details which I can give to disprove the allegations of the Honourable Member, but I will reserve these until the proper time, that is, until the debate on the Development Estimates.

Thank you, Mr Speaker, Sir.

Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di Pertua, kebenaran Tuan saya pohon menjawab dalam bahasa Inggeris di atas orang2 yang telah memberi ucha pan-nya dalam bahasa Inggeris.

Sayang sadikit kebanyakan orang yang ber chakap itu, masa kita hendak balas itu, mereka tidak mahu dengar.
Mereka tahu apa yang dia chakap itu bohong sa-mata2 (Ketawa).

lari, Mr Speaker, Sir, many things have been said and have been repeated in this House in the course of the general debate on the Budget.

Some of them were said with the best intention for the good of this Government and in all honesty and sincerity, and I will say that whatever have been suggested which could be used by this Govern ment will be used by this Government.
4307 27 JANUARI 1968 4308 I would like to thank the Alliance Members for supporting the Govern ment with their constructive proposals for the betterment of our society and the well-being of our country.

What has been suggested by the Government will take due notice of, and I can promise that when the time comes, and if we are able to imple ment them, we will do so certainly.
them, We have had for instance Tun Dr Ismail, who told the House about the security of this country and this region, and what measures he considered necessary to guard ourselves against aggression.

The suggestion is that, in view of the British withdrawal, we should strive to provide neutralisation for this area of South East Asia, guaranteed by the big powers, and in this neutralisation zone all the countries must sign treaties of non-aggression and a declaration of policy of co existence.
This is something which is worth giving thought to, but at the same time it is something which is difficult of achieving, without working hard and conscientiously for it and without making the right approach, and approach at the right time.

So, while we bear the suggestion in mind, we will try and put it across to the countries with which we come in contact, either in this region or out side this region of South East Asia, in the hope that such a proposal would find acceptance by them.
We must, as I have said, these nations and as they are all, or most of them are, very sensitive about this, we have got to find out the right time to do so and how to do it, and to sound them on the soundness of this scheme proposed by the Honour able Member.

try and sound Today Malaysia is moving well in the society of the other nations while, before, we were not so well disposed in the eyes of the other nations.

Now they look more favourably upon us than they did before.
We have emerged really from a period, when many countries ostracised us in the belief, or at least they thought, that we were stooges of the imperialist powers and so on.

Not only did they ostracise us, but an attempt was made of course, by President Soekarno, to crush us and also to wipe us out of existence.

He found quite a lot of support from other countries, because he had a very strong propaganda machine, and with the support of this propaganda he was more or less believed.
However, during all that difficult period, we maintained our position by carrying on as best as we could and at the same time trying to work our way into the confidence of these other nations in the hope that sooner or later the truth would come out and they will know as to who is at fault.

Now, we all know that the President has swallowed his bitter pill and leaders who were helping him or working with him are similarly placed, while at the same time we have managed to win friends abroad.
Today, even the Communist countries are more friendly disposed towards us.

In the course of the next few days, perhaps you will find that we will be having diplomatic relations with Russia, who will set up an Embassy here, and at the same· time we will have diplomatic relations with Yugoslavia, who will have their Ambassador in Bangkok accredited to the Court of His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong.
those that We are now free and able to move about and have been accepted by all free and independent countries as equals whereas we were not before.

When we sign treaties with these coun tries we might persuade them to agree to peaceful co-existence, agree to non aggression pacts and at the same time agree to the neutralisation of certain zones, in particular, South East Asia.

But, as I said earlier, we must wait for the time to do and we must choose the right moment to do so.
We must, at the same time, bear in mind that these so-called non-aggression pacts and so on are not 100% tool-proof; nevertheless, they will give us some form of confidence to feel that some of these countries do not intend to make war against us.

We have had experience in the last War, when there were so many non-aggression pacts that were signed, but before the ink was dry on the paper one country started to attack another.
But under 4309 ::::=--- 27 JANUARI 1968 4310 the new modem conception of non aggression, I hope it would be much better than it was in those times of the second World War.

reached Now, as regards the five-power talk which we propose to have with Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Singapore, it is only to discuss how best we can make arrangements to defend ourselves against aggression in keeping with the terms of the Treaty which we made with Britain, with which these other countries associate themselves.
These countries and ourselves have been associated in the Defence Agreement which we made with Britain since we became independent, and this so-called Treaty has held good in the face of the enemy-confrontation, aggression and what not-and in the face of the Com munist trouble which we met in the last 10 or 12 years.

But I will say th'lt the agreement should be confined to the role that each parti cipating country proposes to play in the event of trouble in pursuance of that agreement, and no more.
We must at the same time look further ahead than just confine ourselves to the arrange ments agreed to between these five countries.

There must be other coun tries perhaps who find themselves in a similar position as we are, countries who might like to have a pact with us and with those of our neighbours; we must not try to exclude these countries but try to work with them as well, using this pact perhaps as a comple ment to this other agreement.
Armed with this defence agreement with Britain, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore and ourselves, we would be in a good posi tion to make agreements with others, because we will be confident in entering into any pact with others that we have the backing of these other countries who have associated with ourselves over the defence of this region of Asia.
So, as I have said, it would be a good thing as and when we come into con tact with these countries to sound them to the proposition if them-the proposition to set up a neutral zone in this area of Asia.
What ever happens, there is still plenty of time between now and 1971 when the British propose to withdraw from this is agreeable area, and during this time-in the next four years-it is up to us to think to plan and to see how best we can secure ourselves against any aggression which naturally small countries like ourselves fear-and we have reason to fear all this, because we have had the experience of the confrontation which we had during the last few years from President Soekarno.
However, there is no reason why the people of this country should panic, why they should change their mode of living, or why they should get anxious.

They should not worry unduly but to rather have confidence that this Government will do everything within its power to safe guard our people from aggression from outside or trouble from within.

The pact with our old Allies will provide us with a certain amount of strength and will make us more dependable for any agreement with other countries.
Our alliance may even be a source of strength to each other.

Whatever it is, it will be understood that the Agreement which was made with our old Allies does not preclude us from making any other agreement with these other countries who want to make some defence arrangements with us to safeguard their sovereignty and their independence, in the same way as we are trying to safeguard our sovereignty and our independence.
It would be wrong, therefore, for anybody to think that this pact with our old Allies might prejudice our chances to work with the others.

I emphasise here and now that it is not so and that it is our intention to seek friendly ties with all our neighbours and at the same time to include in any form of treaty we make with them, or we might enter with them, provisions within the treaty for non-aggression and for setting up of this neutrality zone.
This is the calm attitude we have taken, and this has brought forth, as the Members Honourable Member for Bungsar, the remark-I quote- heard, from have "The projected withdrawal, 'he said,' of the British military presence from South East Asia by 1971 has caused the vigorous expres sion of distress and concern in Australia 4311 27 JANUARI 1968 4312 and New Zealand, but in Kuala Lumpur we have only had the consolation of a barren calm."

I have given the reason for it just now.


After all, what else can we do?

We cannot go and shout threats, curses and throw bricks and to attempt to black mail all these countries that have given us help all these years, just because they find that they are unable to main tain their position in this part of the world.

We cannot cry our hearts out to them.

After all, we are supposed to be independent and so we have got to take the bad and the good with inde pendence.
We cannot at the same time be independent and at the same time ask to be protected by some other power.

After all, Britain, as I said, has got her economy to think about and I feel we have got to sympathise with her.

Though what she has done is wrong, we know there is no point in repeating it, and it does not lead us anywhere.
It is for us to look after ourselves and see how best we can arrange for the defence of this region and at the same time we can depend, as we have heard it said and we have been assured, that when there is need Britain will not leave us in the lurch.

to have The Honourable Member has also suggested that the security crisis and challenge that faces the nation does not appear received adequate response from the Government.
I do not know what sort of response does he expect from the Government other than to take action in the manner we have already done.

We have taken action to call the five nations for this talk to see how best we can plan and work out our plan for the defence of this region.

We must not lose our heads taking and our mind by precipitate action over this, because it will lead us nowhere.
clusion, and we have defended this country against Soekarno's ~'Crush Malaysia" policy of confrontation for three years with equal success.

So, he can depend on it that we will not let this country down.

If we remain calm and quiet, it is for some very good reason and for good purpose.

There is nothing for the Honourable Member to get worried about.

After all, he is in this House and he can always be informed the worse.
So, no one, as I said, can accuse us of letting this nation down, for we shall never let this nation down.

things change for if The Honourable Member for lpoh is not here to listen to my reply to his charges.

However, that is his habit, we cannot stop it.

The leopard cannot change its spots and so I do not sup pose the Honourable Member for lpoh can change.
Having attacked people as much as he liked, lashing at them with his venomous tongue, he does not find it agreeable for him to be here to listen to our replies- so let it be.

Whatever I have to say I will say and if he does not hear about it.

at least it will be recorded in the Hansard of this House.

The Honourable Member had much to say, as he always had, and when it comes to making slanderous attacks on the Government he is not found want ing in words.
So, he comes out loudly with offensive lashings of the tongue.

That is characteristic of him.

He has never given credit to this Government for anything we do; we do not expect credit from him; and neither do you expect anything from a pig but a grunt.

While he is loud in his abuse of this Government, about what this Govern ment does and does not do, he has never at any time offered any con structive suggestion or proposals to the Government other than to attack us when opportunity arises.
The Honourable Member can rest assured that the Government is not callous, as he suggested, nor unaware, nor unmindful of our duty to the nation which it has been our pleasure and privilege to lead for these last ten years from success to success.

We have fought the Communists with the help of our allies within the country for 12 long years to a successful con- He talked about the denial of free dom of expression and association.
You can all see by the way he talks that there is no such thing as denial of freedom of expression for him.

He has spoken in this House as he liked; he has spoken outside this House as he liked; and the things he said do not bear repetition in any decent society.

The things he said, I do not think many 4313 27 JANUARI 1968 4314 decent people would even say in private, but to him it comes out naturally be cause he is just that type of man.
So there is no point of condemning him any more than we can, or try to correct his ways any more than we can, because he will never learn.

If there is no such things as freedom of move ment, freedom of speech, he would not have been free today and to take the platform outside this House.
He was appraised of what His Imperial Majesty the Shah of Iran had said in respect to certain human rights and equal opportunities for all who live in undivided loyalty-and equal oppor tunities for all who give undivided loyalty to this country is our motto.

We agree with what His Imperial Majesty has said.


We cannot, however, give equal opportunities to people who look elsewhere for their allegiance, people who jeer at everything we hold dear, people who disrespect our flag, people who make fun of our National Anthem, people who refuse to honour our Cons titution, less still uphold it.

Until these people can show their loyalty to this country, the problem of this equal opportunity, unfortunately, will forever exist.
When we tried to introduce our education policy and then implement our National language, he was one of those who was violently opposed to it.

He urged others to oppose it.

It is people such as him, who bring discredit to this country and the society in which we live, people like him slither like a snake in the path ready to strike when ever an opportunity presents itself.
If we want to l:Juild a united nation of Malaysia, we must have the material for it, and to collect all the good mate rial that we need for the building of this nation will take time-a strong united Malaysian nation can never be built with the material we have today, where the people are so divided.

All Malaysians will stand to lose if we listen to leaders such as the Member for Ipoh.
He indulges in communal politics, because he knows if trouble breaks out it will be trouble between the Malays and the Chinese, who will be, perhaps, doing one another harm, and he and his friends probably will be sitting back and doing nothing.

Therefore, if the Chinese and the Malays kill them- selves, he is there, perhaps, to watch the fun.
It does not harm him to say what he has said and does not harm him to continue saying what he has been saying and creating this communal suspicion and hatred and fear, because he will escape it.

When we were attacked by Indo nesia, or by Soekamo, more than 3,000 people in this country left this country to join Soekamo's forces, in order to come back and attack us and dominate us.

For whom?

For Soekamo and for those powers who are foreign to us.
The greatest challenge, therefore, to the Alliance Government, and to the well-being of this country, is the trea chery of those who are pretending to be citizens of this country while working against it-working to overthrow this Government by force of arms.

For whose benefit?

For the benefit of some other power outside here.

The ten years that we have been in power have taught us our lessons and taught us on whom we can depend when we are in real trouble.
Malaysia is not yet, as I said and I maintain it, a united nation; it takes time for us to work towards that end, and we can only achieve it when everybody in this country, however much he is opposed to the Government, at least can say, "I owe my loyalty to this country and to this country alone."

But how many people can say that?

The Honourable Member mentioned about the arrest of Mr Lim Kean Siew.

He has misquoted what I said in this House.


What I said when I agreed to the release of Mr Lim Kean Siew was that he provided no more security risk to the country and he could safely be released, because at the time things were quietening down and there was no point in keeping him behind bars.

I did not say that we had no right to arrest him-that was the impression he gave to this House.
Mr Lim Kean Siew him self had admitted what he had done was wrong and that if he had known that things were going to turn out the way they did, he would never have support ed it.

It is not for me to quote any correspondence I had with him, because it would not be fair on him, but I can ask this House to believe me, when I 4315 27 JANUARI 1968 4316 say that, when he was taken in, the arrest was justified in the interest of the peace of Penang, or in the interest of peace in Malaysia.
The Honourable Member also said that the members of the "Holy War" organisation in Kedah were released, and yet the non-bumiputras who were arrested at the same time were not.

But this is not an absolute misrepresenta tion of facts to this House, and for that matter to the country, to the people of this country, to the public of this country, who, I think, are entitled to know the truth.
There is no point for an Honourable Member of this House to get up and misquote facts just in order to make himself look big, or to make the Government look miserable, be cause the facts are that this organisa tion, the so-called "Holy War" organi sation, has not done anything at all.
When the Police knew of their exis tence, they just got hold of them and detained them, investigated all what they have done and then finally found that they have not done anything harm ful and that they are no more a security risk, and they told them to go to the Sultan and swear that they would not do anything that is likely to jeopardise the peace of this country-and that is what they did.
At the same time, those people, who were found to be at fault, or suspected to be a danger and secu rity risk, are detained up to now.

We do not care who they are-whether they are Malays or Chinese or Indians, or anybody.

If they are a security risk to the country, it is our duty to put them in, so that the people in this country can expect to have peace in the country.

So, it is mischievous to suggest that so many Chinese have been taken into custody and yet the Malays have not been.
I could supply figures, but I do not think it is going to be of help to anybody.

If I were to do that, it would merely create more suspicion, and it is going to create more com munal consciousness, and that is the thing I am trying to avoid, because everybody must know that in a country like Malaysia with a multi-racial so ciety, we all are living and sitting more or less on a keg of gunpowder.
Any thing wrong, anything that is not right, anything that is likely to cause trouble between the races is just like setting alight this keg of gunpowder which would blow us all to smithereens.

No body will benefit by it.

So, we have got to be very careful of what we say and what we do, and that is the purpose of the Aliance Government, and since we have been in power we have been try ing to prevent all this-and I think we have done quite well.
Tuan Haji Abu Dakar bin Hamzah di-Pertua, (Bachok): Tuan Yang minta penjelasan.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Kemudian boleh minta penjelasan.

he So, Perdana Menteri: has espoused the cause of these mischievous people who owe no loyalty to this country; he is espousing the cause of these criminals who have no loyalty to this country at all, who are here to make trouble-and this is a dangerous thing to do.

We know what hartal is; I think it is an Indian word.
I know from reading about hartal that it is a form of passive resistance where all the shops and businesses close to show their resistance or to show their objec tion to any action taken by Govern ment, but it is never intended to show force or to retaliate with force.
So, in this case of Penang, when they called a hartal, they could perhaps enforce a hartal in respect of the big shops and businesses, but there was no point in their going round beating up peaceful small vendors who sell goreng pisang, kachang puteh, belachan and what not.

This is pure wickedness.


And the Honourable Member, while he stays in security in his house in quietly lpoh, can talk about it now, but people like us who went among these people, who visited these troubled areas know what it is all about; and when we talk, talk from experience.

It was a we dangerous thing for those people who ~alled a hartal to set about it, using violence which had caused death and injury to so many innocent lives.
He talked about dictatorship in this Government-he said there is no more this Government.

He democracy in mentioned as an example that we disallowed peaceful demonstration.

He 4317 27 JANUARI 1968 4318 himself knew the situation: he asked to hold a demonstration when Presi dent Johnson was here a year ago; he asked permission to hold a demonstra tion, and Tun Razak offered to him: "You can have your demonstration provided it is peaceful.
If you can give your guarantee to have a peaceful demonstration, you can have as many demonstrations as you like."

He imme diately refused to have the demonstra tion, because he could not guarantee that it was going to be peaceful, and into this House and yet he comes talks about our disallowing peaceful demonstration.

Who disallowed peace ful demonstration?

The University of Malaya students held a peaceful the American demonstration when visitors were here and we allowed it, and things went on smoothly.
But there is no guarantee that these people who are going to have a demonstration are going to have a peaceful demonstra tion.

know As the Honourable Member for Batu knows himself-he is not here now when there was a demonstration in Batu Road, he had to flee for security at the same time crying out: "These are not my men.

These are not my men.

I do not them."

(Laughter).

These are the sort of peaceful demon strations they want.

And so now, where are they?

(Laughter).


If the Honour able Member wants a peaceful demons tration and provide himself as hostage, and if there is any outbreak of force or any outbreak of trouble we can put him behind bars, he can have as many demonstrations as he wants (Applause).

So, this is the position.

remark As regards his the that Malaysian medals were given to UMNO and M.C.A.

members only that is not really true and that is really mischievous.
So many medals were made at the time and they were given as souvenirs to members-he himself got it (Laughter).

He get a gold one too.

That he would not say here.

They were given to politicians, Members of Parliament, members of the Police and security forces.

It was given to every body who had anything to do with this Government, and yet he can come here and say that it is only given to UMNO to belong and M.C.A.

members-he did not even mention M.I.C.

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

The truth is that nobody was excluded from receiving this medal, just because they happened to some other party, or they are not affiliated to the Alliance Party.

So, it is mischievous on the part of the Honourable Mem ber to say something which he knows is not true, and that has all along been his politics-saying things which he, deep in his heart; knows are not true.

Yet he says it because it suits him to say it.


On the subject of ex gratia payment to Tun Dr Ismail, I think no man deserves it more (Applause), because this payment was made in recognition of his services to this country, services which he gave even when this Party was working to win independence for this country.
He had given up his own profession, given up everything he had, in order to work with us to win inde pendence for this country and when independence was won, he served this Government all these years-in fact, he was the first Minister among us.

He even served when he was asked to do during the time of the British adminis tration.

That is the least we can do for him.

A Minister in his portfolio, if he wanted to enrich himself, he could have made millions.
There was nobody who could stop it, nobody would know about it, but he did not.

So, what is the paltry sum of $60,000 to reward a per son for the glorious service which he has given to this country?

This is the sort of thing that the Honourable Member has brought up.

When Tun Dr Ismail retired, he did not retire just because he wanted to retire.

He had to retire on medical grounds, and I see from reports I have received from his doc tors that he is very serious.
He is a little bit better, but one cannot tell how long he will be (Laughter).

I hope he will be well for many, many years to come (Applause).

Whether he is out of the Cabinet or he is in, he has always been ready to offer us his help as he has done in this Budget debate when he gave his proposal of having this neutral zone and what not.

It is a pity that the Honourable Member for Ipoh should find cause to quarrel about it at all.
4319 27 JANUARI 1968 4320 in Now, he has mentioned about dissatisfaction the Civil Service, without quoting facts.

I have got all the facts and figl,lres here, but I do not think I need worry this House over this, because he is not here and I am taking too much time to give him too much publicity; and I do not think he deserves all this publicity (Laughter).
The Honourable Member for Batu he also has disappeared-complained about wasteful items of expenditure and he brought up the subject of the Banqueting Hall for His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong.

In actual fact, the Palace for His Majesty was originally a house that belonged to a rich Chinese man with ten wives and it had ten bedrooms.

(Laughter).

They were there for good purpose (Laughter).


There is only one small place where His Majesty could give a dinner and, therefore, it is necessary to build a new Banqueting Hall for His Majesty, because we have had visits from Heads of State, importa11t people from out side, and we want to hold functions in a proper place and in a proper manner.

It is not possible to hold these in the Istana as it is now.

So, we have had to build this new Banqueting Hall.


In fact, I can tell this House that His Majesty is not staying in the Istana today, because when it rains it leaks.

So, he is staying in Istana Trengganu just to keep himself dry and comfort able.

In fact, we should not be building for His just a Banqueting Hall Majesty, but we should have built a good Istana befitting His Majesty's person.
Sir, as regards the Sungei Way Golf Course-he has mentioned that too he thought that it is waste of money whereas, in fact, it is not a waste of money.

It is a loan from the Govern ment, and we have marked out these lots and we propose to sell them.

When we realise money from the sale of these lots, we can not only pay back the Government the money which we borrowed from the Govemment but also run the Golf Club as a first-class Golf Club.
It is something that this country needs because everybody has taken to golf.

It is a good game and I think people, whether young or old, should take to it, and while we can provide amenities for them to do so, I think they should take advantage of it.
The Honourable Member for Batu also touched on education and various other things like MARA and so on, and I think JllY colleagues, the Minis ters, have suitably replied to them, which necessitated him standing up in this House this morning with the per mission of the Speaker to try and defend himself, and as the Honourable Minister has said, it did not alter the situation.

That is so.
That is so.

There is, how ever, one matter which he mentioned, again like the Honourable Member for lpoh, about the denial of fundamental rights and so on.

These are all non sense, because nobody is denied any right here.

He talked about depriving certain people of their citizenship and that it would make them stateless and so on.
But he must realise that these people who worked against us are not, truly speaking, citizens of this country, and many of those who are earmarked for deportation, have not even got citizenship papers.

While they are here, they have abused their right to be here : while they enjoy all the privileges and the rights, they have given nothing in return except to make trouble for this country.

In other countries, I would say they might have been lined up and shot.
A man from Formosa once told me, "If you do not want any of these chaps in your country, why don't you send them to Formosa?

We know what to do with them.

What we have done with them in our country", he said, "is to put them in a sampan and tell them to row straight down to the mainland of China.

But if they even turn their face to look back, they will be shot.

That is the way to treat them".


But, I have no heart to send these people to Formosa, if they are going to be tossed a bout by a storm, if they are going to be shot when they turn back.

So, these people should remember that while they are here, they have been given the same protection as anybody else who are citizens of this country and they enjoy all the privileges and amenities, and they should at least show their gratitude by conforming to law and order and by respecting this country.

But they do not.
But they do not.

Then, again, 4321 27 JANUARI 1968 4322 as I said, when we talk of human rights.

we must those people who are good, who deserve to be given these rights as others.

But these people do not.

talk about to to say turn The Honourable Member for Batu has, quite truthfully in the past, been quite free from slant or leaning on communalism in his speeches to this House, but this time he has changed a bit, as my colleague has pointed out in his reply to the Honourable Mem ber.
This is quite, I think, out of trend with the policy which his party, or the Labour Party advocates, and it is a sign that the Labour Party has pro bably become weak, and has nothing to except else chauvinism-and so he spoke perhaps in the hope to rally the support of the chauvinists to agree with him.

He spoke about the MARA College and so on.

I think my colleague will reply to that.

But when he talked about apartheid and so on, he knows fully well that we have got no apartheid here.
When apartheid was first brought up at the Commonwealth Prime Minis ters' Conference I was the first to condemn it.

Therefore, it is not for us to practice apartheid in this country.

He says things like that without really thinking of the implications of state ments such as that.

All we are trying to do is to try and help these less fortunate people to do a little bit of business.
Unless the Government can help them, we know nobody else will, because businessmen cannot help them because they have got to provide employment for the Chinese.

We know one business firm to show was charged with favour to the Malays and they are trying to boycott the goods produced by this business firm.
That is the men tality of the people here, and so the Government has to do something for these people, as otherwise the gulf of differences between the "haves" and the "haves-not" will be so great that in the end it will cause nothing but trouble.

the Chinese trying He talked about building a Chinese University here.

That is very well.
That is very well.

For those people who can afford to build a university, why not invest the money Indians, who want in our University and expand it and set up, perhaps, a Chinese Faculty in the University?

With the money that they collect, it will not only serve the Chinese but it will help the Malays and learn Chinese, to go in for this is our Univer sity.

But to build a Chinese University in this country is to continually remind the Chinese that they are Chinese and the Malays that they are Malays.
And when are we going to get a united Malaysian nation if the people are going to retain that sort of mentality?

to The Member for Tanjong has spoken about economising by pre venting some of our Ministers from taking frequent trips abroad.

I can assure him that we have been very, very careful about these trips to the foreign countries, because we know that they cost money and the Minister of Finance is very much against it.
So, he can rest assured that Ministers do not go abroad unless we feel that their trip is absolutely necessary and that their participation at a conference is of benefit to us and to the countries who are attending the conference.

as cramped; absolutely He mentioned again about my new office-I think he said that it is an expensive building to have.
But I must tell the Honourable Member that since these last few years my Ministry has been the country has developed, so has my Ministry, and in the end we found it is necessary to build a new office for the Prime Minister; and also in that new office we provide a hall for dining, because in the old days when the Prime Minister had to do his official enter tainment it was necessary to build Dexion tent, which cost money every time he held any function or recep tion.
I think it is not a waste of money at all, and I consider it absolutely necessary.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, fasal perkara pakaian Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tiap2 kali kita adakan meshuarat Ahli2 Yang fasal pakaian Berhormat bergadoh Tuan Yang di-Pertua-tidak sesuai kata-nya dengan keadaan kita negeri yang merdeka.

Jadi, saya ingatkan, kita ini ikut Peratoran Parlimen di· itu, England, maka dengan ikutan 4323 27 JANUARI 1968 4324 bukan ikut sahaja Peratoran-nya tetapi pakaian-nya sama.
Jikalau kita boleh fikir, apa-kah chara pakaian yang sesuai, boleh-lah kita gantikan, tetapi buat sementara ini, saya ingat tidak payah-lah kita hendak ganti2 lagi.

Bagitu juga sungutan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Muar Utara berkenaan dengan Majlis Raja2.

Fasal apa kata nya tidak di-panggil bagaimana dahulu Majlis Raja2 Melayu.
Yang sa-benar sendiri berkehendakkan nya Raja2 bagitu dan terkandong-nya perkataan Majlis Raja2 di-dalam Perlembagaan Majlis itu, kerana ma'ana Majlis Raja2 termasok-lah negeri2 yang tidak beraja, Negeri2 yang ada Gabernor2.

Jadi, dengan sebab itu-lah di-sebutkan Majlis Raja2.
Berkenaan dengan hal orang2 Islam yang ada kata-nya menukar ugama, saya pun biasa !llendengar dan hal ini saya akan bawa ka-Majlis Raja2 supaya di-ma'alumkan kapada Raja2 dan dapat-lah di-fikirkan apa-kah chara2 yang boleh di-buat, kerana kuasa menjaga ugama bukan-lah di tangan Kerajaan; beberapa kali kita bawa dalam Majlis Raja2, hendak minta Pejabat Ugama di-dalam Kera jaan Malaysia ini, tetapi Raja2 tidak bersetuju, takut dengan ada-nya Majlis ini, kuasa Raja2 sudah pun kurang.
Jadi hal2 yang berbangkit saperti yang di-sebutkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat ini, saya akan bawa persembahkan kapada Majlis Raja2 masa di-adakan persidangan pada bulan hadapan.

Berkenaan dengan pertahanan ber sama dengan Singapura, saya di-tegor oleh Ahli2 di-sini, jaga-lah baik2 Per dana Menteri Singapura.

Saya pun kenal dia, saya pun sudah kenal sangat.


Jadi, Ahli2 Yang Berhormat boleh-lah perchaya, saya akan jaga baik2, kerana tidak dapat tidak, kita ini hendak-Iah kena terhadap dengan soal keamanan negeri dan keselamatan negeri kita.

Jadi apa2 yang telah lepas, lepaskan-lah.

Pada masa yang baharu kena-lah kita bekerja ber sunggoh2 dengan ikhlas untok kepentingan negeri kita ini.
kerjasama, kerana tulus Berkenaan dengan public orator, Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pasir Puteh bawa fasal public orator apa sebab itu lantek orang masa Duli Yang Maha Mulia Shahanshah Iran datang berangkat ka sini kita ini tidak mengambil orang Melayu.

Berkenaan dengan ini, saya sebutkan di-sini, masa kita angkat public orator itu di-lantek-nya di dalam Majlis Meshuarat Senate di dalam Universiti, semua suara ber setuju jadi public orator.
Mula2 di-minta hendak di lantek Professor Ungku Aziz; Ungku Aziz tidak mahu, dia tolak.

Jadi di angkat-lah orang ini dan semua dengan sa-bulat suara menerima-nya.

Jadi, Ahli2 Yang Berhormat pun tahu sa masa di-Convocation pada waktu itu, public orator telah menjalankan tugas nya dengan chukup terpuji dan pantun2 yang bahasa Melayu, kita yang dudok di-sini pun tidak boleh reka pantun yang sa umpa!lla itu.
di-keluarkan dalam Jadi di-dalam hal universiti ini per kara public orator dan lain2-nya yang sa-umpama itu, soal perkauman tidak berbangkit dan orang2 yang mem ini bangkang di-atas public orator telah pun berjumpa dengan saya dan saya memberitahu hal ini bukan hal yang patut di-bawa, kerana Ahli Yang Berhormat sendiri pun ada di-situ pada ini menjadi waktu di-lantek orang public orator, dan Ahli2 Yang Ber hormat pada waktu tidak ada tegoran langsong.
Apa-kah guna sudah terjadi hal itu sudah lantek, baharu ini sahaja hendak menegor fasal itu dan hendak membangkang?

Bukan-kah hal ini boleh mengechilkan hati orang yang di-lantek itu, dan apa-kah faedah nya yang boleh timbul daripada bang kangan Ahli2 Yang Berhormat itu?

itu Berkenaan dengan alat2 Kerajaan di gunakan dalam pilehan raya, ini sudah terangkan, dan Menteri Pene saya rangan akan menjawab hal ini, tidak payah-lah saya hendak bangkitkan.
Dan juga Penyata Bersama atas lawatan Duli Yang Maha Mulia Shah Iran dengan kita di-katakan kita tidak sebutkan di-atas hal Baitul Mukaddis (Jerusalem).

Hal ini, lawatan ini ada lah lawatan muhibbah dan hal2 yang sa-umpama itu yang sangat sulit, yang tidak harus di-bawa, sangat susah, jikalau di-keluarkan sa-suatu kerana sesuai dengan benda yang tidak 4325 27 JANUARI 1968 4326 kawan2 kita dengan negeri2 Arab itu, sudah tentu-lah tidak boleh guna-nya kapada sa-siapa, dengan kerana itu tidak di-bawa hal itu.
Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Johor Bahru Barat, beliau itu pun suroh kita jaga Perdana Menteri Singapura dan saya sudah jawab hal itu, tidak payah lah saya sambong lagi.

Berkenaan dengan pinjaman kapada Kerajaan Kelantan daripada bank2, saya Menteri saya Kewangan boleh jawab sendiri.

sahabat ingat Setakat itu-lah dapat saya sebutkan di-sini bagi menjawab perkara2 yang timbul daripada meshuarat ini (Tepok).

Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Persidangan ini di-tempohkan sa-lama 15 minit.

Persidangan pukul 11.20 pagi.


di-tempohkan pada Persidangan di-sambong sa-mula pada pukul 11.35 pagi.

(Tuan Yang di-Pertua mempenge- rusikan Meshuarat) Timbalan Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon izin men jawab pandangan2 yang di-datangkan oleh Ahli2 Yang Berhormat terhadap perkara2 di-bawah Kementerian2 saya dan saya mohon izin kadang2 hendak berchakap dalam bahasa kebangsaan dan kadang2 hendak berchakap dalam bahasa Inggeris.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mula2 saya suka menjawab berkenaan dengan per kara2 berkaitan dengan Kementerian Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar.

Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pasir Puteh ada menyentoh berkenaan dengan per lantekan sa-orang tokoh politik men jadi Pengerusi MARA.

Ahli Yang Berhormat itu bertanya, apa-kah sebab nya ahli tokoh politik itu di-jadikan Pengerusi MARA?
Saya berkata, ini lah satu langkah yang baik yang sudah kena pada tempat-nya, kerana Pengerusi MARA ini mempunyai: tanggong-jawab yang berat untok menjalankan kehen dak2 dan hasrat2 ra'ayat.

Jadi, hanya lah sa-orang tokoh politik yang berjiwa ra'ayat, boleh mengetahui kehendak2 ra'ayat yang sa-benar-nya dan dapat menjalankan tugas2 MARA.

Saya fikir Ahli Yang Berhormat tidak usah bimbang dengan perlantekan sa orang tokoh politik sa-bagai Pengerusi MARA ini.
MARA akan berjaya, sebab ra'ayat negeri ini semua menge tahui bahawa MARA ini, ia-lah dasar Kerajaan Perikatan dan ranchangan yang di-jalankan oleh Kerajaan Per ikatan, dan Parti· PAS pun tidak ada satu ranchangan kemajuan.

Perkara yang kedua, Tuan Yang di Pertua, berkenaan dengan masaalah Kilang Kain Puteh.

Ahli Yang Berhor mat dari Pasir Puteh berkata mengapa ini di-tempatkan di-Padang kilang Batang Kali, tidak di-tempatkan di Kelantan.
Kalau boleh di-tempatkan di-Pantai Timor, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tentu tempatkan di-Pahang, tidak di-Kelantan, akan tetapi bagi hendak menempatkan kilang yang sa-macham ini, ada-lah beberapa faktor2 yang kena di-timbangkan.

Di-Batang Kali ini di dapati ada ayer yang baik dan juga dekat dengan jalan raya dan ada kuasa letrik yang chukup dan kilang ini hen dak mengeluarkan kain puteh, bukan sahaja untok di-gunakan membuat batek, bahkan kain puteh untok kegu naan2 lain juga.
Jadi, itu-lah sebab-nya di-tempatkan di-Batang Kali ini.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Batu ada menyebutkan berkenaan dengan Maktab MARA.

Rakan saya Yang :Serhormat Menteri Pelajaran dan Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana Menteri telah pun menjawab perkara ini.
Pada pendapat Kerajaan sangat-lah mustahak di-adakan pusat latehan yang saperti ini untok memberi latehan2 kapada pemuda dan pemudi dari luar bandar supaya mereka itu dapat mengambil bahagian yang lebeh sempurna dalam lapangan perniagaan dan perusahaan.
Ini ia-lah menjadi dasar Kerajaan untok hendak meno long ra'ayat yang mundor dan Maktab ini telah berjaya mengeluarkan penun tut2 yang berkelayakan dengan banyak nya dan di-harapkan Maktab ini dapat di-perbesarkan dan di-perluaskan su paya menjadi satu teknoloji dan dengan itu dapat-lah pemuda dan pemudi dari luar bandar, ia-itu pemuda dan 4327 27 JANUARI 1968 4328 pemudi yang dahulu-nya tidak ada peluang hendak menerima latehan da lam lapangan perniagaan dan perusa haan di-beri peluang berlateh supaya dapat mengambil bahagian dalam lapangan perniagaan dan perusahaan, ia-itu lapangan yang mempunyai: per lawanan yang hebat Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sekarang saya datang kapada Kementerian Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri.
Ada dua perkara yang saya hendak sebutkan.

Pertama sa-kali berkenaan dengan Kementerian ini, yang pertama pada hari Khamis, Yang Berhormat Menteri Muda telah mem beri jawapan yang mengatakan, ia-itu semenjak kemerdekaan 14,711 orang telah di-benarkan dudok tetap di Malaysia ini.

Saya suka terangkan bahawa kebe tetap ini, bukan ber naran dudok ma'ana-nya kita memberi citizenship atau kera'ayatan.
Dan kebanyakan dari pada mereka2 yang di-beri kebenaran dudok tetap ini, ia-lah isteri2 ra'ayat Malaysia dan juga anak2 ra'ayat Malay sia yang berada di-luar negeri.

Jadi supaya tidak di-kelirukan hal ini, saya ambil peluang memberi keterangan atas perkara ini.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Kota Star Selatan ada menyebut berkenaan dengan surat2 khabar dan saya dapati ada dua tiga orang Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang lain juga mengatakan mustahak-lah akhbar2 di-Malaysia ini menchatet, menerbitkan akhbar2 di-Malaysia.
Perentah telah di-berikan kapada akhbar2 ini supaya menerbitkan di-Malaysia dan boleh di-katakan ka-semua akhbar2, melain kan satu dua sahaja lagi yang belum dapat menerbitkan di-Malaysia ini qan mereka itu akan menjalankan perkara ini tidak berapa lama lagi.

Saya telah tiga bulan, atau empat bulan, beri untok mereka itu hendak menyiapkan jentera2 supaya akhbar2 itu dapat di tempatkan, di-chetak dan juga di keluarkan di-Malaysia.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pasir Puteh ada menu doh bahawa dalam pilehanraya kechil yang di-adakan di-Kelantan baharu2 ini, pehak Kerajaan, Pegawai2 Kerajaan jentera2 Kerajaan ada menggunakan bagi menolong Parti Perikatan.

Di sebutkan juga Pegawai2 Polis menye belah pehak Perikatan dan champor tangan dalam hal ini, dan dia ada sebut juga yang saya menggunakan helikopter untok berkempen dalam pilehanraya itu.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berada di-Kelantan dua tiga hari sa-belum hari meletakkan undi di-negeri Kelan tan dan saya dapati keadaan di-situ ada tegang, di-sebabkan oleh per buatan2 penyokong2 Parti PAS meng gunakan kekerasan, mengugut2 penyo kong Parti Perikatan, menyerbu tempat2 Perikatan dan menggunakan senjata2• Dengan sebab itu-lah pehak Polis kena mengambil tindakan dan sa-tengah2- nya mereka itu telah di-tangkap.
Dan mereka2 yang mempunyai senjata api yang di-fikirkan, akan menyalah-guna kan senjata api ini, telah di-tarek sen jata itu.

Jadi langkah ini di-ambil, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ia-lah dengan tujuan hendak menjaminkan supaya pilehanraya di-Kelantan itu berjalan dengan terator saperti di-tempat2 yang lain.

telah Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita mengadakan pilehanraya sudah tiga kali Pilehanraya Umum di-seluroh Malaysia ini dan keadaan yang sa macham ini tidak berlaku, melainkan di-Kelantan.
Jadi dengan sebab-nya ber laku keadaan yang sa-macham ini, ia-lah saya kata penyokong2 daripada Parti PAS menggunakan tektik2 yang liar yang luar daripada batasan demo krasi.

Jadi dengan sebab itu-lah pehak Polis tindakan untok hendak menjaminkan yang pilehanraya di-Kelantan itu menurut peratoran yang sa-benar-nya.
terpaksa mengambil Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menggu nakan helikopter pada hari menaroh undi itu, kerana hendak melihat sen diri yang pengundi2 ada di-benarkan mengundi dengan terator dan tidak di ugut dan tidak ada berlaku apa perkara yang tidak di-ingini.
Jadi, saya meng gunakan helikopter sa-bagai Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri untok hendak menjaga dan memerhatikan kesela matan pada masa hari mengundi itu, dan tiap2 kali di-tiap2 tempat saya turun, pehak Presiding Officer telah 4329 27 JANUARI 1968 4330 di-beritahu dan Presiding Officer mem benarkan saya tidak-lah saperti kata Ahli Yang Berhormat itu yang Presiding Officer tidak bersetuju atas perkara ini.
turun dan Jadi, ini bukan-lah menentang un dang2, larangan pilehanraya, sa-bagai sa-orang Menteri, saya ada-lah berhak pergi melawat, memerhatikan yang keamanan ada terjamin dan pengundi2 tidak di-ugut dan saya tidak-lah masok ka-tempat mengundi, hanya-lah dudok di-luar, melihat keadaan keselamatan Polling Station di-tempat2 yang tertentu sahaja.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Batu ada menyebutkan dan Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana Menteri telah pun menjawab, ia-itu berkenaan dengan chadangan Kerajaan hendak deprive the citizenship of certain citizens of this country who have acquired their citizenship by regis tration or naturalisation.

The Honour able Member for Batu says that is against fundamental human rights and against the Principles of the United Nations.

Sir, as I have explained before.


these people were given the privilege of citizenship and it is expected that they would be loyal to this country, but because of their disloyal acts, because of activities which are prejudicial to the security of this country-and they have shown by their acts they are disloyal to this country-obviously they should not be allowed to continue to enjoy the privilege or the citizenship of this country.

It is different, Sir, if they are citizens by operation of law.
Then, they have a right to be citizens of this country.

But these people were given citizenship as a matter of privilege, and obviously if they abuse their privilege, then it is only fair that we should take away their privilege.
Sir, the Honourable Prime Minister has already replied on the subject of the arrest of Mr Lim Kean Siew, but I would like to say that it is within the right of the Police to arrest and detain any person pending enquiries, if the Police have reasonable grounds to justify the detention of such a person, and in this particular case, the Police had more than justifial?le grounds to detain Mr Lim Kean Siew for enquiries, because he himself admitted that he was responsible for planning the hartal.
Although he later stated that he did not expect that the hartal would turn out in the way it did, whatever it is, he was responsible for planning the hartal, and obviously as lives were lost and pro perties were destroyed, the least that should be done was that he should be made to answer for what he did.

On the question of banishment, Sir, the Honourable Member for lpoh asked why there should be delay in sending people out of this country.
There has been some difficulty in arranging ships to take them to China for several reasons, but these people refused to go back to China and that is why we have to continue to detain their cases are reviewed from time to time and if they are considered no longer to be of any security risk, they would be released.

the majority of them.


But Now, Sir, I come to the serious allega tion by the Honourable Member for lpoh that Government is interfering in the working of the Public Service and in the work of the Anti-Corruption Agency and also in the work of the Police.

Sir, I would deny here categori cally that there has been any inter ference from whatever quarter in the functions the Anti-Corruption Agency.
of The Honourable Member for lpoh has made a sensational reference to an incident involving a traffic policeman and a woman driver, who is the wife of a Ministry official.

Now, the Press stated that this woman is the wife of the Secretary to a Ministry.

This is not so.

She is the wife of an Assistant Secretary of the Ministry of Home Affairs and not the Secretary.

The account given by the Honourable Mem ber was half-truth.
I do not blame him because he must have got it from some one, but I would like to state the facts.
Sir, the woman driver one day was stopped by a traffic policeman for a minor breach of traffic regulations, namely, driving along the wrong lane, and when the car had been stopped by the policeman and while the driver's licence was being examined by the 4331 27 JANUARI 1968 4332 policeman, that the it was alleged policeman had been unnecessarily offensive to her in that he had used abusive and vulgar language in the pre sence of her teen-aged daughter.
She had, therefore, lost her temper and spat at the policeman.

The policeman, how ever, denied having used any abusive language as alleged.
Now, following normal procedure whereby if a member of the Police is involved in any inci dent, which is likely to prejudice the good name of the Police and the dis cipline of the Deputy the Force, Inspector-General of Police ordered a full enquiry into this allegation and statements from both the policeman and this lady driver were taken and the to statements were the is a non Attorney-General as seizable offence:.
On the advice of the Attorney-General's Office, no further action was taken as both parties con cerned expressed agreement to forget and forgive the incident as contained in the allegation and also counter allegation by the two parties.

I repeat that there has been no here inter ference at all, because it is the normal practice that in cases like this there should be full investigation into the incident in accordance with the normal Police Force directions.
referred this the Regarding transfer of Haji Noordin from the post of O.C.P.D., Kuala Lumpur to the Police Head quarters, this was made at his own re quest and his transfer was approved by the Police Force Commission.

There fore, it is not correct to imply that this transfer was the result of inter ference from senior officers of the Police force.

The Honourable Member for Ipoh also alleged, on the subject of the hartal in Penang, that everyone knew about the hartal except the Police.
The Police knew that there was going to be a hartal in Pcnang and they were in formed about it, but they were also informed that it will be carried out in a peaceful and constitutional manner.

Under our democratic practice, clearly the Police could not take any steps to prevent people exercising their demo cratic rights anci it is only when inci dents took place.

that the Police could intervene.

That was the position, Sir, but it is, of course, easy to be wise after the event.
If we had stopped the hartal from being held at all, then there would have been allegations against us for the liberty of the people.

interfering with On the subject of this Tentera Sabilullah, the Prime Minister has already explained, but I would like to say this.

These people were members of what we call a secret society.
We did not know of their membership until they themselves confessed to us and quite clearly it would be morally wrong for us to arrest them on an evi dence which £hey themselves confessed to us.

That is why no arrest was made, but if subsequently they were to com mit any offence, quite obviously we would take action to arrest them.

I now come to the other Ministry of mine-the Ministry of Defence.

The Honourable Member for Pasir Puteh spoke of the purchase of senapang katak.
Actually, Sir, during the early days of Confrontation because we had to recruit local defence corps urgently to protect the various areas, we thought the best weapon for these people would be shotguns and we ordered 30,000 shotguns from a known American firm and they are good guns.

Of course, some of them have not been used be cause our Army is using the SL Rifle, but these shotguns were thought to be the best weapon that we could have for use by villagers in the protection of their own villages.
On the question of the trucks, he alleged that we bought 200 trucks which can no longer be used.

I think he must be referring to the International Harvester Three-ton Tippers, which were presented to us by the Australian Government.

It is true that these trucks are not suitable for military use in cross-country roads, but nevertheless they can be used in certain areas for short-distance transport.

How ever, they were a gift by the Australian Government to us, and we cannot look a gift horse in the mouth.
On the subject of promotion, the Honourable Member for Pasir Puteh said that there were Brigadiers who were made to do desk work and not 4333 27 JANUARI 1968 4334 given field training.

This is not true.

We do train them from time to time.

All officers have to do field duty as well as desk work.

This has been done regu larly.

On the question of promotion, we follow the proper practice.
Promotion is normally carried out on the recom mendations of the senior officer and promotions to Colonel and above is carried out by a Committee of the Armed Forces Council on which I myself preside.

On the question of re fund of rent for officers, he alleged that Army officers were given refund of rent less than the members of the Malay sian Home and Foreign Service.

Offi.

cers in the Armed Forces are given re fund from $250 to $400 per month in certain areas.
However, this matter is being looked into and it is intended to recommend that the rates should be brought up to the level of the Home and Foreign Service officers.

I now come to our defence policy.

The Honourable Prime Minister has today explained it at great length.

I my self listened with particular interest to the wise, imaginative and far-sighted statement by my former colleague and friend, the Honourable Member for Johor Timor.
I fully agree with him that in the final analysis the peace and security of countries such as Malaysia, indeed the peace and security of this region of South-East Asia, can only be secured if it is guaranteed by all, and I emphasise, by all the major powers.

In order to achieve this, we must follow a policy and we must be seen to follow a policy, which is not directed against the basic interests of the major powers concerned.

That is to say, a policy of neutralisation if we wish to call it that way.
It would be equally appreciated that the prerequisite for adopting such a policy of neutralisation is a clear and categorical undertaking by the major powers to respect the integrity and independence of the countries in this area.

This, in fact, must mean that the major powers would not permit any action calculated to endanger and to subvert the security in this region and that peaceful co-existence is beneficial to all concerned, both big powers and small nations.
We cannot achieve this objective in the immediate future as the Prime Minister has explained, but this must be our long-term objective.

The facts of political life today, which are themselves the product of circumstances and forces going back over many years, require us to proceed with caution in that direction.
We cannot in our desire to attain our long-term objective ignore the immediate realities and dangers which confront us and we must leave open to oursdves all options to safe guard our national independence and our integrity.
But I can assure Honour able Members and the House that what ever we may do in response to the immediate problem, to the new situa tion, we shall act and we shall do so within the framework of the long-term objective which I have indicated above and which had been so clearly set out by my Honourable friend the Member for Johor Timor.

We shall do our best to ensure that whatever we do in the short-term wiH assist us in serving the long-term objective, or at least, we shall not hinder it.
Now, Sir, so much then for our relations and for the relation 'of the countries in this region with the major powers.

Next, there is the ques tion of relations of South-East Asian countries with one another.

Certainly the suggestion by the Honourable Member for Johor Timor of a non aggression pact, as the Prime Minister has said also, and of a declaration of co-existence, are laudable and have the full support of the Government.
It is clear that this Government is com mitted, as it has always been, to a policy of peaceful co-existence and friendly co-operation with all of our neighbours.

In this connection, I venture to think that the best way initially of ensuring co-operation among South through East Asian countries ASEAN, the Association of South-East Asian nations.

I readily appreciate the fact that a number of countries in this region are not members of this organi sation and that it is still in its very initial stage.
I am convinced, however, that ASEAN has within it the seeds of future growth.
The ASEAN Declara tion has taken cognizance of the mutual interests and common problems among the countries of South-East Asia and has affirmed that the countries of South East Asia share primary responsibility is 4335 27 JANUARI 1968 4336 for strengthening the economic and social stability of the region and ensur their peaceful and progressive ing national development, and that they are determined to ensure their stability and security from external interference in any form or manifestation in order to in preserve accordance with the ideals and aspira tions of their people.
their national identities that the emphasis It is our view, Sir, which we have persistently maintained ever since dis cussion began on the formation of ASEAN, that while the Association was primarily one for co-operation in the economic, social, cultural and related fields, there should also be room for discussion on all matters of common interest or concern and for such co operation as may be possible.

We believe should initially be on small and specific pro jects on which there can be agreement.
In this way a spirit of goodwill, of trust, and of friendship and an atmos phere of confidence and co-operation can gradually be built up and which would be directed the common interests of all countries in this region and not the particular interest of any one country.
I believe ASEAN to be the ideal vehicle for building up this spirit of goodwill and co-operation which are the essential first steps the laudable to realising objectives which have been put for ward by the Honourable Member for Johor Timor, and it is the policy of this Government to work towards this end.

serving to We in Malaysia harbour no ill-will against anyone, nor are we against anyone.
We seek only to live in peace and co-operation with all countries our immediate neighbours as well as those farther from us, big powers, not so big powers, and small powers-on the basis of mutual respect and friend ship.
As Honourable Members are a ware, the Prime Minister has informed this House that we have proposed, in view of the British decision to with draw all in Malaysia and Singapore, a conference of the five powers involved in the Defence Treaty that we now have with Britain, Australia and New Zealand.

forces stationed their to and latest proposal.


But It is necessary for us to review this Defence Treaty the defence arrangement we have had in view of Britain's this endeavour on our part must be n:garded as complementary the efforts that we are making to bring together the countries in this region for close co-operation in all fields for mutual benefit.
Whatever the outcome of this five-power talk may be, it will be in no way a substitute for our regional co-operation but efforts rather it will be in furtherance of the objectives that we have set ourselves of establishing peace and stability in this region of South-East Asia.
in Now, Sir, finally I come to the speech of the Honourable Member for Bung sar, who said in winding up his speech that after a decade of independence Malaysia cannot boast of anything but a declining political, economic and military situation.

Sir, this is a state ment which is completely contrary to the facts pertaining in this country.

It is a statement deliberately made to belittle the efforts which this Govern ment and the people have made in all fields of progress during the last ten years.
It is needless for me to state here the progress we have made in the field of development since we achieved independence.

Malaysia today stands as in this region, politically and economically.

Although we had to face difficult times last year due to the lowering in the price of rubber, but because of the success of our economic diversifica tion policy our Minister of Finance was able to tell this House in his Budget speech that the finances of our country show a slight surplus on current account.
the most stable country situation, Now, Sir, on the question of the military the Honourable Member showed a spirit of despon dency because the British have decided to withdraw their forces in this region.

We in the Government knew, Sir, when we achieved independence in 1957, that we could not depend on the British, or any power, for all time to look after us.

The time must come when we have to defend ourselves.
Now, with with drawal of the British forces here, quite 4337 27 JANUARI 1968 4338 obviously we have to adjust our defence policy and to some extent our foreign policy, so that there will be no vacuum but that our survival will continue to be guaranteed.

Obviously, Sir, the future of any nation and its survival must depend in the ultimate resort on the will and determination of the people themselves.
Now, we, Malaysians of all races, must show determination that we are prepared to survive as a nation, to defend our independence and our integrity, and to continue to forge ahead and become a modem, progressive and affluent country.

We in the Government are determined to do this.

We have given leadership to this country in the last ten years with great success, gaining respect and the admiration of our friends throughout the world, and we will continue to give that leadership.
Of course, "if the Honourable Member for Bungsar still looks to the British for leadership, he will find that there is no leadership.

We in the Alliance have always mapped out the path of progress of our nation not only for the next decade but for hundreds of years to come.
As I said, we have brought up this country during the last ten years of independence to be one of the most progressive and stable countries in this region of Asia, and we will continue to do that while at the same time upholding and nurturing the principle of parliamentary democracy and our democratic way of life which we up hold and cherish.

Now, I must ask the Honourable Member to look for leader ship to this country and not outside this country.
Our former colonial masters have decided this leave region for good.

It is just as well and we can now look after ourselves and look towards our neighbours in this region as friends and as brothers to work together for mutual benefit and for the peace and stability of this region.

Thank you (Applause).

to bangkitkan dengan Kementerian saya.


tiga perkara berkenaan Perkara yang pertama, di-Jabatan Kerja Raya jurutera2 maseh lagi men jalankan tugas Pega wai2 Pentadbiran dan di-dapati keputusan2 di-atas ten der2 biasa-nya mengambil masa ber bulan2.

Sa-orang jurutera, bagitu juga lah mana2 Pegawai Iktisas yang bekerja dengan Kerajaan, sa-lain dari pada menjalankan tugas2 iktisas-nya, kena-lah juga sadikit sa-banyak mem buat kerja2 pentadbiran.
Ia tidak boleh mengasingkan diri-nya daripada kerja tulis menulis (paper work), tambah2 lagi kalau ia sa-orang Ketua Pejabat, oleh sebab dia ada-lah bertanggong jawab terhadap kechekapan pentadbi ran pejabat-nya.

Tiap2 tawaran yang di-terima kena lah di-kaji dengan teliti bagi mem bentangkan supaya tidak ada kesalahan yang besar berlaku.

Sa-lepas itu tawa ran itu akan di-sampaikan kapada Lembaga Tawaran Persekutuan yang bermeshuarat tiap 2 dua minggu sa-kali untok pertimbangan Lembaga tersebut.
Jika tawaran itu berharga lebeh dari pada $1 juta, maka perkara ini akan di-bawa balek, oleh wakil daripada Perbendahafaan ka-pejabat-nya bagi mendapat keputusan pegawai atas-nya.
Jika satu2 kerja itu di-minta di-buat oleh Kementerian yang lain maka sa lepas keputusan tawaran itu di-terima dan sa-belum surat permintaan boleh di-keluarkan, J abatan Kerja Raya mesti-lah terlebeh dahulu meminta pengesahan daripada Kementerian itu tentang ada-nya peruntokan wang yang di-kehendaki bagi di-bayar dalam tahun yang berlaku, dan juga penge sahan bahawa peruntokan wang ada di tahun2 yang berikut.
sediakan bagi Sa-belum pengesahan itu di-terima dari pada Kementerian yang meminta su paya satu2 pekerjaan itu di-buat, maka Jabatan Kerja Raya _ tidak-lah boleh menerima tawaran itu dan memulakan kerja.
Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos dan Tali kom (Tun V. T. Sambanthan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-dalam meshuarat pada 26 haribulan ini, Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Muar Dalam ada mem- Tawaran yang berharga di-antara $10,000 sampai $25,000 ada-lah di panggil di-tingkat daerah dan ini ada lah juga di-kehendaki di-sampaikan melalui Jurutera Negeri yang berkaitan 4339 27 JANUARI 1968 4340 untok di-timbang oleh Lembaga Tawa ran Persekutuan.
Tawaran yang ber sampai harga $100,000 ada-lah di-panggil di-tingkat N egeri dan peratoran yang sama ada lah di-ikuti.

di-antara $25,000 dan culvert Perkara yang kedua, sa-masa banjir ini, banyak di-negeri Johor baharu2 jalan2 raya tidak dapat di-gunakan, oleh kerana keadaan jalan2 itu.

J abatan Kerja Raya di-minta supaya jalan2 itu di-bena di-tinggikan supaya keadaan-nya dapat di-baiki lagi.

Saya sedar bahawa beberapa bahagian jalan itu di-negeri Johor telah terkena banjir baharu2 ini.
Jikalau bahagian2 jalan ini hendak di-pertinggikan, maka kita kena-lah menimbangkan perkara ini pada segi perbelanjaan, bukan sahaja di-negeri Johor, akan tetapi perbelanjaan bagi meninggikan jalan2 yang terkena banjir di-negeri2 lain juga.

Pada masa ini perundingan daripada Bank Dunia sedang membuat satu kajian pengangkutan dan mereka di jangka akan juga membuat perakuan jalan2 mana-kah di-seluroh tentang negeri ini yang patut di-perelokkan atau di-perbaiki.
Perkara yang ketiga, sunggoh pun bahasa kebangsaan telah di-jadikan bahasa rasmi, di-dapati Operator2 Tele phone maseh lagi menggunakan bahasa Inggeris, sa-masa menjalankan tugas2- nya.

Arahan tetap telah pun di-keluar kan kapada Operator Telephone, ya'ani mereka hendak-lah menjawab: "Nom bor, Enche'."

Akan tetapi oleh sebab ada sharikat2 perniagaan dan orang ramai yang membuat permintaan dalam bahasa Inggeris, maka kena-lah di-jawab dalam bahasa yang di-minta nya.

Terima kaseh.
Terima kaseh.

Setia-usaha Padimen kapada Men teri Burob (Tuan Lee San Cboon) (dengan izin): Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Member for Batu dwelt at length on many aspects concerning labour.

While I welcome his concern and interest in the matter, it is difficult to go along with his extremely general criticisms and comments that he has made.

He has charged that the Govern to be ment's labour policy needs reviewed, re-organised, revitalised and pursued with more imagination.
While these are noble sentiments, I am afraid that they are not sufficient to be the basis of any serious examination.

The Government has kept its labour policy under very close and constant review.
We in the Government have approached labour problems not only with a view to promoting the standard the of welfare and well-being of ordinary working people this in country, but have tried to integrate the well-being of the workers and other sections of our citizens with the general growth and progress of the nation as a whole.

I submit, Sir, that this is the only positive and permanent way of approaching the question.
The welfare and the standard of living of the workers can only be increased if the economy itself is assisted in performing much better.
Productivity in existing industries has to go up significantly and new industries have to be established, if the size of the cake to be shared among the workers is to get bigger and bigger; otherwise, Sir, we would only be heading towards a contraction in the economy which must inevitably lead to extremely depressive effects on the standard of living not only of the workers but also of the other sections of the economy.
The Honourable Member for Kota Star Selatan has referred to the neces sity for such an attitude, and I agree with him fully.

All of us, workers, employers and Government alike, have to make a determined and joint com mitment to economic progress to ensure the continued growth of the country, so that all of us can share a higher life.

The example of standard of Britain, quoted by the Honourable Member for Kota Star Selatan, is well worth having in our minds.
The Honourable Member for Batu has charged that the Ministry of Labour has been responsible for, what he calls, the depressing Jabour situation.

Facts and figures available do not indicate that there has, in fact, been any depres sion in the labour situation, and they can definitely prove that the Ministry of Labour has played an active part in the terms and conditions of employment the general improvement in 4341 27 JANUARI 1968 4342 the it is collective agreements of our workers.
Sir, during 1967, about _ the Workmen's Compensation System.

40 covering He has asked about the Social Security wages, conditions of employment, re- Scheme itself.

Let me point out to the tirement benefits and bonuses were Honourable Member that the concluded.

These collective agreements Government which has taken the initia covered more -than 20,000 workers and tive on this matter and that we are registered a general 4% to 6% increase giving this all possible priority.

The in wages and other benefits.


The Colombo Plan expert with us has Ministry assisted in the drawing up of already submitted his full report on the scheme and is now engaged in most of these agreements and settlement of 161 odd disputes that drafting the necessary legislation for this purpose.

We hope to be able to arose during the year.

These figures submit this legislation to this House can by no means be termed as depres- sive, nor do they indicate any inaction fairly shortly.
The Honourable Mem on the part of the Ministry of Labour.

ber need have no doubts about this The Ministry of Labour will continue method.

to offer its services to en;iployers ~nd Regarding the rates of contribution under the Employees' Provident Fund wor~ers.

who ~re faced with ~ny d~ffi.- culties.

m the!r mutual relationships.


Ordinance, it must be pointed out that We will co~tmue to approach ~hese 5% contribution by both employer and problems with a s~n~e of national worker prescribed in this Ordinance purpose and a co~victlon to promote is merely the minimum rate.

There are the general well-bemg of our economy a number of industries where the rates of contribution are much higher than and its people.

this.
this.

He has also charged that the labour laws in existence in this country are He has charged that the Trade Union antiquated and colonial, and continued Ordinance and the Trade Unions Act, to name virtually all the labour laws 1965, are undemocratic and restrict that we have freedom of association unduly.

The referred to the Labour Code.

May I data that we have of trade union organi point out to him that what is left in sation in this country prove otherwise.
the Labour Code are only certain More than a third of the wage-earning is now provisions relating to health and places population of employment?

The other portions of organised in trade unions, and this figure the Code have been incorporated into compares favourably with the figures of new laws, such as the Employment any other country which the Honour able Member might hold up as exam Ordinance of 1955, the Workers (Mini- mum Standards of Housing) Act, 1966 ples.
and the Children and Young Persons Employment Act, 1966.

The Factories He as .alleged that the Re~1st~ar of and Machinery Act passed by this Trade Umons has acted arbitrarily.

I House some time last year also make am sure that the Hon~mrable Member substantially improved provisions for kn~ws ~hat the Registra~ of Trade the health and welfare of workers in Umons is an o~cer appo~nted u~der places of employment.

These are no the law.

and .


cames out hi~ functions mean accomplishments and will stand a~ provided •!!

the law.

This law pro v1des the various channe~s of apJ?t!als up to any test to determine the progres- to redress any alleged ar~1trary actions.

siveness of our labour policy.


He perhaps does not hke what has the happened to some of the trade unions Workmen's Compensation Ordinance, under the wing of the Labour Party, I need only reiterate here our assurance whereas such unions had been led into that the benefits to be provided under all sorts of violence in defiance, not the proposed social security legislation only of the law, but also the rights and interests of the workers as a whole.
It would be much superior to the present benefits and that the risk of employ- is with regret that we have to take firm ment injury would be taken care of in a action, and fast action, on these ele much more effective manner than under ments and the Honourable Member Regarding his comments on this country.

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as c a me d th t th a sions of this Act should in fact support such action as • wasteful trials of strength.

The Indus they h~ve been taken \_Vith the view of trial Relations Act provides adequate the procedure to avoid such action, and it true promotmg workers and the interest of parliamen- would be more profitable for trade unions to attach more importance and tary democracy in this country.
t ., 1 attention to greater usage of the provi- e n us na Relations Act, 1967, makes a travesty of the industrial relations practice.

Let Fmally, Sir, various other Honour me assure the Honourable Member that able Members touched on the question the Industrial Relations Act was the of employment exchanges.

Employment outcome of a long and careful review exchanges, as is aware, of our industrial relations system and merely match an.

employer's request for .


workers with practice, a review that he himself advo- those workers cates so strongly.

The Act is a balanced seekmg such employment.

They do not one if seen objectively in the context create employment and, as such, can of Government labour policy that I not be criticised _f~r having not do~e is referred to earlier.

It may indeed be a enough.


My M1mstry, however, stumbling block to those who choose to aware · that the operations at these pursue a path of destruction of our exchanges can be improved somewhat economy and of cashing in on the and, in fact, we .h!lve now w~th us an workers of this country, but that is a LL.q.

expert adv1sm~ us on this ma~ter, and improved t~chmques of operations matter with which no respectable per- son can have sympathy.

He has claimed a~e alre~dy bemg tne~.


out 1~ a few that there are all sorts of penalties pilot pro1ects, notably m Petahng Jaya imposed upon unions but not so for ~nd Butterworth.

I hope with these employers.

I do not know from where improvements the exchanges can be of he got this impression, as the Act pro- much better service to both employers vides for equal penalties for both and employees.

Thank you.

employers and workers in any given situation.


He has asked that when a strike has been called, the employer should just fold up his business and not try to continue to operate with the help of workers who are not on strike.

This is, indeed, a very strange argu ment as every one knows that when a strike is called or a lock-up is enforced, it is a trial of strength between the parties.

No one should launch into such action if they are not sure of their case or the strength of their side.
It is perfectly legitimate for an employer to try to continue to operate his business in the place of a strike with whatever help he can get.

The law provides for this right and only vests the right on striking workers to try to persuade non striking workers to abstain from work.

It does not empower striking workers to intimidate or threaten non-strikers.
Where such intimidations and threats do take place, the Police have a duty to ensure that the necessary action is taken, as the Police have a duty not only to prevent crimes but also to pro tect persons and properties.

Strikes are weapons of the last resort and lead to Menteri Kewangan (Tun Tan Siew Sin) (dengan izin): Mr Speaker, Sir, during the past few days I followed with very great interest the proceedings in this House on the 1968 Budget.
I would like to add that although I was not able to be present in the Chamber itself for as much time as I would have liked to, my aides have noted all the points which concerned the Treasury.

In accordance with my usual practice, I shall.

deal with the major issues raised in the course of this debate.

Honour able Members, however, can rest assured that constructive suggestions and proposals put forward by them will be carefully considered and adopted, if this is considered desirable.
I think it is fair to claim, Sir, that the Budget has been generally well received both inside and outside this House, and there was general support for the policies pursued or advocated by the the Government.
Many of speeches made showed that Honour able Members were, by and large, alive to the difficulties facing the Govern ment, and realised that the Government ,,,.. 4345 27 JANUARI 1968 4346 was determined to mobi1ise all the resources at its command, in order to maintain economic stability and finan cial viability.
In particular, I would like to express my thanks and apprecia tion to those Members of our Party, who have spoken in favour of the Budget, and to say that although this support has been available all these years, nonetheless it is valued on this occasion.

Honourable Members on the other side of the House have, as expected, criticised the Budget-some have criticised it moderately, others violently.
I should add that I was not surprised by such violent criticisms, because one cannot help coming to the conclusion that such Honourable Mem bers would be sorry to see this country prosper in peace and prosperity.

We cannot avoid the conclusion that they would prefer to see this country going down the drain.

Under these circumstances, the very violence of their criticism can be regarded as a compliment by those of us who are on this side of the House.
Indeed, it might be desirable for us to think again, if they and we were ever to be in agreement on the things which matter and the things which affect this country vitally.

I do not think that my strictures are unjustified because it is crystal clear that they have gone out of their way to misconstrue the facts and figures in my speech, in order to deceive and mislead.

They cannot be so unintelligent as not to realise that such blatant.
exaggeration is both irrespon sible and dangerous, and is clearly calculated the existing this climate of Government has laboured so hard and so long to foster.

confidence which to destroy GNP Growth in 1967-There appears to be serious, if not deliberate mis understanding on the part of Opposi tion Members on the question of the overall state of the Malaysian economy in 1967 in terms of the gross national product.
As I stated clearly in my Budget speech, the Malaysian economy continued to expand during the pasl year, though at a slower rate, namely 2~ % in 1967, compared with almost 6% in 1966.

This slackening in the rate of growth was, of course, unavoidable because it was a result of factors which were largely beyond our control, namely the fall in rubber prices to their lowest level in 18 years, aggravated by declining prices for tin and palm oil as well, and these are three of our most important export products.
Instead, those Opposi tion Members who spoke on this sub ject interpreted this slackening in the rate of growth as an absolute decline in the rate of growth.

I need hardly explain that there is a vast difference between a slackening in the rate of growth and an actual decline in growth, and yet Honourable Members of the Opposition have not hesitated to distort this simple fact.
In 1958, one year after independence, the gross national product actually declined even though commodity prices in which we were interested did not fall so heavily as in 1967.

This shows that our economy is more diversified, and hence more resilient than it was in the early years of our independence.
Indeed, the very fact that the GNP has managed to increase at all, in spite of the fact that rubber prices in 1967 fell to their lowest level in 18 years, is a silent but nonetheless eloquent tribute to the soundness and strength of our economy and to the Government and its policies which have made this achievement possible.

It is not my intention.

at this stage of the game, to burden this House with more facts and figures, but a simple illustration will to reinforce my point.
For suffice example, rubber directly accounted for nearly 30% of the total gross domestic product in 1950, but only 25% in 1957, and this figure dropped to only about 20% in 1967.

In fact, these figures speak more eloquently than mere words.

There is no gainsaying the fact that the performance of the Malaysian eco nomy in 1967 indicates that it is basi cally strong and healthy.

This fact emerges clearly when one examines the country's national accounts and balance of payments.
In terms of physical out put, the key sectors of the economy growth.

For showed satisfactory the production of rubber example, 4347 27 JANUARI 1968 4348 -- increased by 3!% in 1967, tin by 4!%.

saw logs by about 8%, sawn timber by 17%, palm oil by 15%, Government consumption by 8!% and manufac turing output by about 14%.

Unfor tunately, however, much of the increase in output was offset by a sharp decline in the prices of some of our major export commodities.
On the external front, despite the sharp deterioration in the terms of trade, a substantial merchandise trade surplus, though smaller than in 1966, continued to be recorded during the past year.

We have monetary stability and a strong currency, and our gold and foreign exchange reserves are rela tively high.
These cold, hard facts which I have enumerated and which demon strate the strength of our economy, are facts which even Honourable Members of the Opposition cannot brush aside in spite of their fiery eloquence.

Public Debt-Considerable concern was voiced during the past few days at the size of the Central Government's public debt and the debt servicing charges.
This is understandable, though in some ways this is rather amusing, because the people most concerned, namely our creditors, are not in the least bit concerned and they know far more about international and public finance than Honourable Members of the Opposition.

Their views matter, even if they are only slightly concerned, but if they are not concerned, that is good enough for the Government of Malaysia.

As at the end of last year, the Central Government's public debt amounted to $3,514 million.
I agree that this is a large amount of money in absolute terms, but expressed as a proportion of the G.N.P., it amounted to about 37%.

which is by no means high by international standards.

What is more basic is the composi tion of the debt.

In this respect, it is important to note that nearly $3,000 million of the total debt, that is, about 85 % , comprise domestic debt, and I should point out that there is a world of difference between domestic and foreign debt.
Whereas domestic debt and its service burden represent the Government's liabilities and transfers to the Government the other sectors of the domestic eco nomy and thus have no effect on the ba lance of payments, foreign debt and its service burden the Government's liabili ties and transfers to non-resident institu tions and individuals, with their accom panying adverse effects on the balance of payments.
In our context, domestic borrowing by is essentially non-inflationary, since most of the funds involved represent real savings from the other sectors of the economy.

In fact, there is something to be said for this sort of operation.

As the Employees Provident Fund is the major holder of Government securities, Honourable Members should note that there could be important income redis tribution effects in such an operation since interest payments come out of revenue and E.P.F.
funds essentially belong to the less well-to-do sector of the economy.

should It is, therefore, the external debt which interest Honourable Members.

At $517 million at the end of last year, the Government's external debt is modest by any standards.

It accounted for about 5~% of the G.N.P.

What is more significant is the Govern ment's external debt servicing charges amounted to only about $57 million or about 1!% of our export earnings in 1967.
This is a modest price to pay, whichever way you look at it.

In fact, the World Bank has repeatedly stated that the Malaysian economy can absorb a far greater volume of foreign loans without adversely affecting its credit worthiness, and the World Bank is distinctly conservative, whatever else it.
Honourable one may Members of the Opposition will, I hope, forgive me when I say that if I have to choose between their opinions and the opinion of the World Bank, I would feel the opinion of the World Bank is rather more reliable and more important, to put it at its lowest.

In October last, the Government success fully floated its second sterling loan of £7!

million in the London market.


I take it that Honourable Members of the Opposition are aware that very very few developing countries have been able to float a commercial loan on their own in the major capital markets of the world, and the very fact that we think of 4349 27 JANUAR!

1968 4350 have been able to do it a third time in five years clearly demonstrates our high credit standing in the financial circles which matter.
to finance It cannot be denied that if we have to spend vast sums on the development effort, in order to maintain our pro gress, the Government must continue to borrow both from the domestic market as well as from abroad.

Few countries in the world are blessed enough to be their entire budget able from aggregate revenue.

As such, the public debt and the service charges for it can be expected to increase with the passage of time.
This is the price we have to pay for sustained development, and I suggest that so long as the borrowed funds are expended wisely, i.e., on economic and revenue earning projects, the price we have to pay is not beyond our means, either now or in the future.

To expect the Govern ment not to borrow and yet increase the size of is equivalent to, if I may borrow a meta phor from the ladies, asking a house wife to make a much larger cake., but use less sugar, less eggs, less butter, and so on.
Like the housewife, even Finance Ministers are human (Laughter) and cannot be expected to achieve the impossible.

the economic cake to this Taxation-One or two Honourable Members pleaded for less taxes.

This is understandable, and I can assure such Honourable Members that no one would be happier than I, if we could accede request.
The same Honourable Members, however, should also understand that it is useless to taxation under present less suggest circumstances unless they can also suggest, at the same time, ways and means of replacing the revenue which would be lost if their suggestions were adopted.

Let us remember that we are still living on earth and we are not yet in Heaven.

One Honourable Member complained about the surtax payable by the tim ber industry.

I should explained that surtax is only levied on imports, not exports.
If he received this information from the timber industry, then I caQ only say that that industry has misled him.

He made further mis-statements of facts in regard to Customs valuation procedures on saw logs (kayu balak).

I would suggest that he drops into the Department for a chat so that he would be able to understand the position better.
Income Tax Evasion-I can assure the Honourable Member, who spoke on this subject, that there has been no let up on the activities of the Depart ment of Inland Revenue in this field.

For example, emphasis is now put on on-the-spot inspections with the pri mary aim of achieving speedy settle ments when evasion is detected.

In 1967 alone, nearly 800 visits to business premises were made by Inland Revenue officers.
In the last two years, the increase in the yield from income tax alone averaged $40 million per annum without an increase in tax rates, apart from the 10% reduction in the abate ment of income tax in East Malaysia in respect of chargeable incomes not exceeding $50,000 per annum.

Honour able Members will not expect me to reveal our methods of detection nor the devices employed, as this would clearly not be in the public interest.

When I have said on this subject.


however, should serve to demonstrate that the Department is maintaining and will maintain the tempo and vigour of its efforts in this direction, and that no stone will be left unturned to reduce extent evasion possible.

the maximum to number Excise Duties-A of Honourable Members have questioned the wisdom of levying the new excise duties.
I cannot understand their argu ments, because it is clear that the Government has to replace the revenue lost by declining yields from import duties as a result of industrialisation.

The question which should be asked is whether these new levies are fair.
In this connection, I should point out that the rates of new excise duties imposed on home manufactured products are no higher and, in fact, are, in several cases, much lower than the rates of import duty payable in 1957, when these products were imported.

In that year an import duty of 20% was levied on soap and soap powder, dental paste 4351 27 JANUARI 1968 4352 is, varnishes, and powder, rubber products, paints and and mono-sodium glutamate.
The import duty on cement was $12 per ton, or $6 per ton at the preferential rate.

In either case, the duty then was much higher than the new rate of excise duty of $2 per ton now imposed.

The effective tax burden on these products therefore, no higher than it was ten years ago.

That the rates of the new excise duties are low is readily apparent, when they are compared with the rates of import duty imposed on these products for protec tive purposes.
The manufacturers concerned have, therefore, little cause for complaint and, for this reason, they have no right to raise the selling prices of their products.

At the same time, I would like to make it clear that excise is not payable on domestic duty manufactures which are exported as it the is not our intention competitiveness of our manufactured goods in export markets.
to reduce Port Swettenham-Honourable Mem bers will be glad to know that the measures taken by the Government to channel more trade through our own ports are now bearing fruit.

For example, more rubber from the East through Port Coast is now flowing Swettenham.
For sixth-month the period commencing 1st April, 1967, when the new schedule of port and railway charges was introduced, exports to about of dry rubber had risen 153,700 tons, compared with 125,000 tons exported during the corresponding period of 1966.

This is an impressive increase of 22 % and is something which is clearly more than just normal growth.

In fact, Port Swettenham has now become the largest port for Malay sian rubber exports.
During the six months commencing 1st April, 1967, Port Swettenham accounted for 37!% of West Malaysian rubber exports, while Penang accounted for.

35!

% .

In other words.

the percentage of West Malaysian dry rubber exported during this six-month period via Port Swet tenham and Penang has increased from 68!% in 1966 to 73% in 1967, while that exported through Singapore has declined from 31!% in 1966 to about 27% in 1967. number Unemployment-A of Honourable Members referred to the unemployment situation.
As regards the source of the unemployment figures which I gave in my Budget speech, I might point out that the comprehensive sample survey of 30,000 households in West Malaysia was conducted in June last year by the Departments of Statis tics and Labour.

This survey was the data scientifically designed and quoted are based on some of the preliminary findings of the survey.

I am assured that these figures are firmly based.

It should, however.
It should, however.

be noted that although the overall rate of unemploy ment is a little too high for comfort, it has nevertheless remained relatively stable in recent years-6% in 1962 and 6!% in 1967.

While it is true that there has been an actual increase in the number of unemployed, it is also true, and this is a source of some satisfac tion, that the economy has been able to absorb a substantial proportion of the annual additions to the labour force in recent years, despite rapid population growth.
In the last analysis, promising solutions lie in two direc tions in the long term.

Firstly, our education system has to be reorientated to meet the technological requirements of the economy.

This is being done and the process will be accelerated in the years to com.e.

The other solution would seem to lie in the direction of greater private investment, and this is where State Governments can help by being more forward looking and liberal in their land alienation policies.
On their part, Honourable Members on both sides of this House can also help, by seeing to it that the Government and country as a whole reflect an image of financial prudence and economic sobriety, in order to induce more massive investment.

Miscellaneous Matters-One Honour able Member of the Opposition sug gested a much greater increase in the in order to offset expenditure, deflationary effects of the rubber price decline.
This would be the popular thing to do, and if we really had elections in mind, we would have done this also.

I am convinced, however, 4353 27 JANUARI 1968 4354 that it would be dangerous to increase Government spending at this stage, whatever the political advantages of this course of action might be.

It is rather odd that the Honourable Mem ber who made this suggestion has consistently castigated the Government for spending too much.

I wonder if he himself really knows what he wants us to do.
Coru:lusion-To sum up, considering the unexceptionally harsh circums tances which we had to face in 1967, we have done far better than we could have hoped.

Far from being downcast with our performance in 1967, we have cause for a fair measure of restrained optimism (Applause).

In 1967, we took more than one blow, we took several blows, each one of which could have floored us for the full count, if I may to use some boxing be permitted expressions (Laughter).
Instead, we are up and as springy as ever,_ and ready for the next round, and still fit and is what really matters fresh.

This (Applause).

Usul di-kemuka bagi di-putuskan, dan di-setujukan.

Rang Undang2 di-bachakan kali yang kedua.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Majlis meshu arat di-tanggohkan hingga pukul 10.00 pagi hari Isnin, 5hb Februari, 1968.

Dewan di-tanggohkan pada pukul 12.56 tengah hari.