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12 • t'.j Wednesday 3rd October, 1962 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) OFFICIAL REPORT CONTENTS ANNOUNCEMENTS BY MR SPEAKER: Message from the Senate [Col. 1255) Assent to Bills [Col. 1256) Kernatian YaOK Berhorrnat Enche' Mohamed Sulollll bin Mohd.

Ali, J.M.N.

[CoL 1257) ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 1257) BILLS PRESENTED [Col. 1263) MOTIONS: (No.
2) Estimates, 1962 The Development (Supplementacy) [Col. 1264) The Financial Procedure Ordinance, 1957-Deletion of the Central Bank Establishment Expenses Fund, the Tin Buffer Stock Contributors' Advances, and the Federation Air Service Fund from the Second Schedule [Col. 1268) The Customs Duties (Amendment No.
3) Order, 1962 [Col. 1269) Peratoran Naik Darjah [Col. 1270) Restrictions on travel by people from the proposed Malaysian territories into the Federation of Malaya [Col. 1312] WRI'ITEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [CoL 1337) DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, A.M.N., PENCHETAK IC.ERAJAAN PEBSEKUTUAN TANAH MELAYU 1962 • • FEDERATION OF MALAY A DEWAN RA'AYAT {HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) Official Report Fourth Session of the First Dewan Ra'ayat Wednesday, 3rd October, 1962 The House met at Ten o'clock a.m .
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PRESENT; The Honourable Mr Speaker, DATO' HAJI MOHAMED NOAH BIN OMAR, s.P.M.J., D.P.M.B., P.I.S., J.P. the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence and Minister of Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N.

(Pekan).

the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' TAN SIEW SIN, J.P. (Melaka Tengah).

the Minister of Transport, DATO' HAJJ SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N.

(Pontian Utara).

the Minister of Labour and Social Welfare, ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah).
the Minister of Education, ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB (Kuantan).

the Minister of Health, DR LIM SWEE AUN, J,P.

(Larut Selatan).

the Assistant Minister of Education, TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT ALI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang).

the Assistant Minister of Rural Development, TuAN HAJJ ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara).

the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry, ENCHE' CHEAH THEAM SWEE (Bukit Bintang).
the Assistant Minister of Labour, ENCHE' v. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K.

(Klang).

the Assistant Minister of the Interior, ENCHE' MOHAMED ISMAIL BIN MOHAMED YusoF (Jerai).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAUF BIN A. RAHMAN, P.J.K.

(Krian Laut).

ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN OSMAN (Sungai Patani).

TOH MUDA HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJJ ABDUL RAOF (Kuala Kangsar).

TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJJ MOHD.

SALLEH, A.M.N., P.I.S.

(Segamat Utara).

TUAN HAJJ AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kota Bharu Hilir).

ENcHE' AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N.


(Muar Utara).

ENCHE' AHMAD BoESTAMAM (Setapak).

1251 3 OCTOBER 1962 1252 The Honourable ENCHE' AHMAD BIN MOHAMED SHAH, S.M.J.

(Johor Bharu Barat).

TUAN Rux AHMAD BIN SAAID (Seberang Utara).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN HAJI YusoF, P.J.K.

(Krian Darat).

TUAN HAJI AzAHARI BIN HAJI IBRAIDM (Kubang Pasu Barat).

ENCHE' Aziz BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam).

DR BURHANUDDIN BIN MOHD.

NOOR (Besut).

ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N.

(Kluang Selatan).

ENCHB' CHAN SIANG SUN (Bentong).


ENCHE' CHAN SWEE Ho (Ulu Kinta).

ENCHB' CHAN y O(>N ONN (Kampar).

ENCHE' CHIN SEE YIN (Seremban Timor).

ENcHE' V. DAVID (Bungsar).

DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N.

(Jitra-Padang Terap).

ENCHE' GEH CHONG KEAT (Penang Utara).

ENCHB' HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N.

(Kapar).

ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD.

YUNUS, A.M.N.

(Kulim Utara).

ENCHE' HAR.UN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Baling).

ENCHE' HARUN BIN PILUS (Trengganu Tengah).


TUAN }LUI HASAN ADLI BIN HAJI ARSHAD (Kuala Trengganu Utara).

TUAN HAJI HASSAN BIN HAJI AHMAD (Tumpat).

ENCHE' HASSAN BIN MANSOR (Melaka Selatan).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN To' MUDA HASSAN (Raub).

TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAmMI BIN HAJI SAMAN (Kota · Bharu Hulu).

ENCHE' IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah).

ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan).

ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN HAJI KASSIM (Kuala Trengganu Selatan).

ENCHE' KANG KOCK SENG (Batu Pahat).


ENCHE' K. KARAM SINGH (Damansara).

CHE' KHADUAH BINTI MOHD.

SIDEK (Dungun).

ENCHE' KHONG KoK YAT (Batu Gajah).

ENCHE' LEE SAN CHOON (Kluang Utara).

ENCHE' LEE SECK FUN (Tanjong Malim).

ENCHE' LIM Joo KONG, 1.i>.

(Ator Star).

ENCHE' LIM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat).

ENCHE' LIU YOONG PENG {Rawang).

ENCHE' MOHAMED BIN UJANG (Jelebu-Jempol).

ENCHE' MOHAMED ABBAS BIN AHMAD (Hilir Perak).

ENCHB' MOHAMED AsRI BIN HAJI MUDA (Pasir Puteh).


ENCHE' MOHAMED DAHARI BIN HAJI MOHD.

ALI (Kuala Sehingor).

DATO' MOHAMED HANIFAH BIN HAJI ABDUL GHANI, P.J.K.

(Pasir Mas Hulu). "

1253 3 OCTOBER 1962 1254 The Honourable ENCHE' MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMuD.

A.M.N.

(Temerloh).

·~ TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJJ ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan).

NIK MAN BIN NIK MOHAMED (Pasir Mas Hilir).

ENCHE' No ANN TECK (Batu).

ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Tanah Merah).

ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH.

A.M.N.

(Perlis Utara).


TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJi MoHD.

SAID (Rembau-Tampin).

ENCHE' SEAH TENG NoIAB (Muar Pantai).

ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (lpoh).

ENCHE' s. P. SEENIVASAGAM (Menglembu).

TUAN SYED EsA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S..M.J., P.1.s.

(Batu Pahat Dalam).

TUAN SYED HASHIM BIN SYED AJAM, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Sabak Bemam).

TUAN SYED JA'AFAR BIN lIASAN ALBAR, J.M.N.

(Johor Tenggara).

ENCHE' TA1UDIN BIN ALI, P.J.K.

(Larut Utara).

ENCHE' TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan).

ENCHE' TAN PHocK KIN (Tan jong).


ENCHE' TAN TYE CHEK (Kulim-Bandar Bahm).

TENGKU BESAR INDERA RAJA IBNI AL-MARHUM SULTAN IBRAHIM, D.K., P.M.N.

(Ulu Kelantan).

DATO' TEOH CHZE CHONG, D.P.M.J., J.P. (Segamat Selatan).

ENCRE' Too.

JOON HING (Telok Anson).

WAN SuLAIMAN .BIN WAN TAM, P .u.:.

(Kata Star Selatan) .. WAN YAHYA BIN HAJJ WAN MOHAMED (Kemaman).

ENCHE' YAHYA BIN HAJI AHMAD (Bag~n Datoh).

ENCHE' YEOH TAT BENO (Broas).

ENCHE' YONG Woo MING (Sitiawan).


PuAN HA.l.JAH ZAIN BINTI SULAIMAN, J.M;N., P.l.S.

(Pontian Selatan).

TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD.

TAIB (Langat).

ENCHE' ZULKIFLEE BIN MUHAMMAD (Bachok).

ABSENT: The Honourable the Prime Minister.

Minister of External Affairs and Minister · of Information a11d Broadcasting, Y.T.M.

TuNKu ABDUL · RAHMAN PuTM Af:.-HAJ •.

K.o.M.

(Kuala Kedah).

the Minister otlntemal Security and Minister of the Interior.

DATO' DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N.
(Johor Timor).

the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, DATO' v. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N.

(Sungai Siput).

the Minister without Portfolio, DATO' SULEIMAN BIN DATO'.

HA11 ABDUL R.AllMAN, P.M.N.

(Muar Sela.tan) (On leave).

the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives.

ENCHE' ABDUL Aziz BIN lsaAK (Kuala Langat).

.

1255 3 OCTOBER 1%2 1256 The Honourable the Minister without Portfolio.

DATO' ONO YOKE LIN, P.M.N.

(Ulu Selangor) (On leave).


the Minister of Commerce and Industry, ENCHE' MOHAMED KHIR BIN JoHARI (Kedah Tengah).

ENCHE' ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N.

(Melaka Utara) .

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ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN MOHD.

NooRDIN, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Parit).

ENCHE' LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N.

(Sepang).

ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson).

ENCHE' MOHAMED NOR BIN MOHD.

DAHAN (Ulu Perak).

ENCHE' QuEK KAI DONG, J.P. {Seremban Barat).

ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka).

ENcmf' v. VEERAPPEN (Seberang Selatan).


w AN MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI ALI (Kelantan Hilir).

The Honourable the Minister of Justice, TUN LEONG YEW KoH, s.M.N.

IN AITENDANCE: PRAYERS (Mr Speaker in the Chair) ANNOUNCEMENTS BY MR SPEAKER MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE Mr Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Be.rhormat, saya hendak mema'alumkan ia-itu saya telah menerima satu perutusan yang bertarikh 21 haribulan August, 1962, di-Pertua Dewan daripada Negara, berkenaan dengan .
perkara2 yang tertentu ·yang telah di-hantar oleh Majlis ini minta di-persetujukan oleh Dewan Negara.

Sekarang saya jemput Setia Usaha Majlis supaya membacha kan perutusari itu kapada Majlis ini.

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Yang (The Clerk reads the message) "Mr Speaker, The Senate has agreed to the follow- ing Bills, without amendments : A Bill to empower the taking of action to secure the efficient operation of aids to air navigation.

A Bill to amend the Prevention of Corruption Act, 1961.
A Bill to provide that in times of war or other emergency, the Police Volunteer Reserve and auxiliary police officers and other police officers and constables as well as the Royal Federation of Malaya Police Force, may be employed to serve in conjunc- tion with the Federation Armed Forces or otherwise in the defence of the Federation.

A Bill to amend the Development Fund Ordinance, 1958.
A Bill to incorporate the Malayan Muslim Pilgrims Savings Corpora tion to manage a fund for the main tenance and utilisation of savings in connection with the pilgrimage to Mecca.

(Sd.)

DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN BIN MOHAMED YASIN, (President)".
ASSENT TO BILLS Mr Speaker: Honourable Members, I wish to inform the House that His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong has assented to the following Bills which were· passed recently by both Houses of Parliament : The Judicial Proceedings (Regulation of Reports) Bill, 1962.

The Air Navigation Aids (Control of Obstructions) Bill, 1962.

The Police Bill, 1962.

The Prevention (Amendment) Bill, 1962. of Corruption The Development Fund Bill, 1962.

·The Malayan Muslim Pilgrims Savings Corporation Bill, 1962.
1257 3 OCTOBER 1962 1258 KEMATIAN YANG BERHORMAT Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang ENCHE' MOHAMED SULONG BIN di-Pertua, pertunjokan itu di-jalankan MOHD.

ALI, J.M~N.

Mr· Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, dengan dukachita saya ma'alumkan kapada Majlis ini akan kematian Yang Berhormat Enche' Mohamed Sulong J.M.N., Ahli bagi bin Mohd.

Ali, kawasan Lipis, dan bagi pehak Majlis ini saya melafadzkan perasaan ke hilangan dan sedeh hati serta mengu chapkan ta'ziah kapada kaum keluarga Allah Yaraham itu.
ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS PERTUNJOKAN TARIAN GELEK DI-LAKE GARDEN, KUALA LUM- PUR-lhb SEPTEMBER, 1962 1.

Enche' Ahmad Boestamam.

bertanya kapada Perdana Menteri siapa-kah yang bertanggong-jawab maka achara tarian gelek boleh termasok dalam per tunjokan Pusparagam Merdeka di-Lake Garden pada malam 1 haribulan Sep tember yang lepas kerana menyambut Hari Kemerdekaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu.
pertunjokan di-Lake Garden The Deputy Prime Minister (Tun Haji Abdul Ra.1.ak): Tuan Yang di Pusparagam Pertua, Merdeka untok menyambut Harl Kemerdekaan Per sekutuan Tanah Melayu yang lalu yang di-anjorkan saperti masa yang telah lalu oleh Jabatan Penerangan dan Radio Malaya.

Tarian yang tersebut itu telah tidak sengaja, dan chara tarian itu tidak-lah di-ketahui terlebeh dahulu oleh pehak yang bertanggong-jawab.
Apabila sahaja di-ketahui langkah telah di ambil dengan serta merta menahan tarian itu daripada di-tunjokkan pada malam yang kedua.

di-masokkan dengan Enche' Ahmad Boestamam: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, biasa~nya pertunjokan yang saperti itu kalau hendak di adakan harus lebeh dahulu mendapat kebenaran dari Polis, dan Polis akan bertanya apa-kah jenis pertunjokan yang akan di-tunjokkan.

Ada-kah kabiasaan yang demikian ini juga ada di-jalankan?

oleh pehak Kerajaan.


Enche' Ahmad Boestamam: Ini nasib baik, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pertunjokan ini merupakan: tarian gelek dengan tidak di-siasat lebeh dahulu tarian itu.

Tidak-kah ada kemungkinan, umpama nya, satu tarian kominis hendak di tunjokkan tidak di-siasat lebeh dahulu'l Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Pada biasa· nya, perkara ini di~siasat lebeh dahulu.

Enche' Ahmad Boestamam: Kalau pada biasa-nya di-siasat lebeh dahulu mengapa tarian gelek itu tidak di-siasat lebeh dahulu?
Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Saya telah menjawab bahawa perkara itu berlaku dengan tidak sengaja dan tidak di.

; ketahui lebeh dahulu.

Enche' Zulkiftee bin Muhammad: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apa-kah ta'arif tidak sengaja dalam hal ini?
Ada-kah orang keluar sahaja bagitu atau pun orang itu keluar dan di-ketahui waktu dia menari atau pun orang itu keluar menari dan besok baharu di-ketahui'l sa-bagaimana yang Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang saya di-Pertua, tidak di· tarian katakan chara ketahui terlebeh dahulu, dan di-ketahui hanya pada masa .

pertunjokan itu di jalankan.

Sa-lepas sahaja di-ketahui .

langkah menahan tarian itu telah di· ambil.


itu Enche' Zulkiftee bin Muhammad: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-ketahui itu ada-kah masa pertunjokan itu atau lama sa-sudah itu?
Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I gather from the reply of the Acting Prime Minister that the display was held under the sponsorship of the Information Department; and since such a disgraceful episode has taken place, could I ask the Acting Prime Minister· if any action has been taken against the Director of Information · Services for his lapse?

Ton Haji Abdul Razak: Mr Speaker, Sir, I have already explained that this.

happened without the knowledge of the person responsible for staging the show.
As soon as it was known, then the 1259 3 OCTOBER 1962 1260 person responsible· took the necessary action to.irtop the show fr001 being held a second time.

I cQDSid« that necessary action has been those r¢~ponsible to stop the show .

being repeated a second time.

.taken by ngatakan, menurut · sutat yang saya terima dari Pesuroh Jaya Penjara No.

37 Dala:m DCHQ (Taiping) Secret 115/6167 bert.arikh .

10 September dia menyatakan bahawa Polis tidak mein- benarkan.
· DETAINEE YUEN FOO THONG- KEMALANGAN DI-PADANG KA· PAL TER8ANG, KUALA LUMPUR, REFUSAL OF LEAVE 38hb OGOS, 1962 2.

Enche' Ahmad Boeitamam bertanya j. Tuan llaji Hasan Adli bin Haji kapada Menteri Dalam Negeri apa- kah alasan maka ~uen Foo Thong, Arshad bertanya kapada Menteri Per sa-orang.

tahanan d1.·Kemah Tahanan tahanan berapa buah-kah kapal terbang ~uar, d1-tolak pe~mtaan-nya supaya kepunyaan Kerajaan yang telah rosak di-benarkan b.ercbuti.
pul3;ng ka-~- kerana kemalangan yang berlaku nya sa-Iama tl~a ban dan 15 hanbulan baharu2 ini di-padang kapal terbang hmgga 17 hanbulan September, 1962.

Kuala Lumpur.

, · · Y The ~ssistant Minister ?f ~ Interior Tile Minister of Defence (Tun Haji (Enche Mohamed Ism.ail bm Mohd.
Abdul Razak): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Yusof): Tuan ~ang di-Pertua, oran~ saya di-fahamkan kemalangan tersebut tahanan barus di-benarkan keluar dan ini ada-lah kemala:ngan berlaku pada tetnpat tahan~n-;iya u11:tok pulang k~: 30 haribulan Ogos tahun 1962.

Pada rumah masmg bagi menghadhin waktu ini hanya sa-buah sahaja kapal perkara2 yang si.mgat m~stabak-urge'!t terbang ang rosak.

matters-sapert1 kematian atau sakit tenat saudara mara yang sangat rapat.

4.
4.

Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji Permintaan keluar daripada Detention Arshad bertanya kapada Menteri Per tahanan apa-kah kerosakan-nya, taksir Camp-Tempat Tahanan-Muar pada tiap2 sa-buah, 15 haribulan hingga 17 haribulan Sep- harga kerosakan-nya tember, 1962, itu tidak termasok di- sebab2 boleb berlaku kerosakan dan dalam gulongan tersebut dan oleh yang kemalangan itu dan siapa dan apa pangkat-nya kaki-tangan ·yang ber demikian tidak di-luluskan.
- Enche' Ahmad Boestarnam: Soalan tanggong-jawab atas kenialangan itu.

tambahan.

Ada-kah larangan tidalf: di- benarkan orang dengan kehendak pehak Polis?

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang jawab-nya, sa-buah kapal terbang dua engine bangsa Cessna rosak semua sa-kali .

ada-lah harga $300,000.


Kemalangan 1tu berlaku pa~a terbang 1tu masa pemandu kapal Enche Ahmad Boestamam: Tidak sedang menjalankan lateban turun ka satu ~i-benarkan pennintaan orang tahana.n padang dengan menggunakan 1~u ·balek ka-kampong oleh sebab Pohs engine sahaja.

Sunggoh pun kemala tetapi ndak membenarkan-nya.

Enche' Mohamed Ismail: Saya sebut- perkara ini tidak dapat tiada berlaku bagaimana sa-kali pun kita jaga hal ini.

Enche' AJuruld.

Roestamam: Tuan 5.


Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Hajj Yang di-Pertua, pertanyaan saya, ada- Arshad bertanya kapada Menteri Per tahanan ada-kah kejadian itu berlaku kah Polis melarang erti-nya Kerajaan mahu meluluskan tetapi Polis menahan oleh sebab kechuaian dan jika ya, apa kah tindakan hukuman telah di-jalan- peratoran sa-macham itu.

Enche' Mohamed Ism8il: Tidak her- kan. peratoran itu memang ada.

apa terang tentang soalan itu.

ini mendukachitakan ini balek di-Pertua, tahanan ngan , · .
Enche' Mohamed Ismail: Tuan Yang kan ka-atas orang · itu.

di~Pertua, bukan 1:'olis menahan, .

per- atoran sa-macham 1tu sa-memang ada.

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kemalangan ini tidak-lah di Enche' Ahmad B04litamai: Kalau sebabkan kechuaian daripada siapa2 Polis bukan menahan, saya ingin me- pun.

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Enche' V. David asks the Prime Minister whether he is considering to hold the parliameptary elections by 1963.

Tun Haji Abdul R.azak: Mr· Speaker, Sir, the question of dissolution .

of Parliament:is 11 matter lot 'the Prime Minister to ad\'ise His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong.

Enche' V. David: Mr Speaker, Sit, I did not ask who is responsible.

But I asked whether the Prime Minister considers to have elections held in 1963 or not.

I am not asking· where the responsibility lies.


Tun Haji Abdnl Razak: Sir, that is a matter for the Prime Minister, and Honourable Members will be told of this in due time.

.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Sir, does is that mean that the Government unprepared to tell us whether· or not they are going to have.

elections in 1963?

_ !I'on Haji Ahdul ·Razak: Sir, I have said that the Government will t.ell this House and the country when the time comes. '

Enche' Lim ·KeP .$Jew: Mr Speaker.


Sir, will you .kindly ask the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister to answer the question?

He has not answeref,1 my question.

DETAINEE WONG.

LOU KUAN~RELEASE OF · 7.

Enche' v. David asks the Minister of Intern!,11 Security why Mr Wong Lok:e-Kuan detained under, the Internal Security Act, 1960, has not - been released and whether the Government will consider his release.

Tun Haji Abdul~: Mr Speaker, Sh".

Mr Wong LokeJ{uan :was detafued for directing · communist .
activities among members of the National Union of Factory and General Workers.

He has not been released because it is considered that he still.

,constittites a threat to thesecutity of ihe Federation.

Enc~• V. David: Mr Speaker, Sir.

Mr Wong Loke Kuan is a suspected T .B.

patient.

All ·th08e who were arrested with· ;him were released.

May I know why he is being detained still?

n. Haji Abdul Razak: Sir.

I have said that he is still considered to be a threat to the security of the Federation.
Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr Speaker.

Sir, why is it that after the Emergency had ended-and even.

{he Communist Party is no longer recognised a threat__.. that one detainee is being considered threat to the security of the as a Federation of Malaya-just one detainee?

.

DETAINEES AT BATU GAJAH- HUNGER STRIKE 8.

Enche' V. David asks the Minister of the Interior to state the ·reason why the detainees at Batu Gajah Detention Camp went on hunger strike.
Tun llaji Abdul Razak: Mr Speaker .. Sir, they went on a hunger.

strike in an· attempt to get the Camp authorities t0r relax the curtailment imposed on them with regard to the privilege oE the .use of radio sets in the Camp.

is that one of Encbe• Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker.

the Hon'ble Deputy Prime Sir, Minister aware the consequences of this hunger strike is that when the review of their detention came up again _ a week ago, the detainees refused to attend the enquiry and force was used on thetn?
T" Haji Abdul · Razak: It has nothing to do with the present question.

Sir.

· Enche' V. David: Mr Speaker.

Sir.

institute an will ···the Government enquiry into the hunger strike?

Tun Haji ·Abdul Rusk: There is.

no need to ~stitute.an enquiry ~ause the taets- are 1-nown to the Government.

Enche' V. Da-.id: Mr Speaker, Sir.


the detainees went on a hunger strike the authorities have been because exerting oppressiOh on them by curtail ing whatever privileges they are entitled to, and as such it is the duty of .

the Government .to set up an enquiry where they can ventilate .

their views.

As detainees they have no other privileges except .to inform the Gpvernment •.•• Mr Speaker: You are out of order.

You seem to be making statements!


1263 3 OCTOBER 1962 1264 · Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr Speaker, Sir.

the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister has said tha.t the Government knows all the, facts.

I wish to know whether the Government knows facts on the official side alone or on the detainees' side also.

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Sir, the Government knows all the facts.
Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Sir, is the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister saying to this House that the refusal of the detainees to attend the review on the last two occasions has not been caused by the same facts that have caused the hunger strike?

Ton Haji Abdul Razak: Sir, it has nothing to do with this question.
BILLS PRESENTED THE CHINESE TIN ML""ffiS (REHABILITATION LOANS) BILL Bill to provide for the control and management of the Chinese Tin Mines Rehabilitation Fund, to prohibit the making of further loans from that fund, and to provide for matters incidental thereto; presented by the Assistant Minister of Rural Development; read the first time ; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.

THE SUPPLEMENTARY SUPPLY (1961 AND 1962) (No.


2) BILL Bill to apply sums out of the Consoli dated Fund for additional expenditure for the service of the years 1961 and 1962 and to appropriate such sums for the certain purposes ; presented by Minister of Finance; read the first time; to be read a second time at a sub ~uent sitting ·of this House.· THE CONSOLIDATED FUND .
(EXPENDITURE ON ACCOUNT) BILL Bill to apply a sum out of the Consoli dated Fund to the service of the year ending on the thirty-first day of Decem ber, 1963; presented by the Minister of Finance ; read the first time ; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this.

House.
House.

THE JUDGES OF APPEAL BILL Bill to make further provision as to the appointment of the Judges of Appeal; presented by the Assistant Minister of the Interior; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE RUBBER INDUSTRY (ANTI INFLATIONARY CESS) FUND (WINDING-UP) BILL Bill to make provisions for the dis solution of the Rubber Industry (Anti Inflationary Cess) Board, the payment of claims made to the Rubber Industry (Anti-Inflationary Cess) Fund Ordi nance, 1956, and the disposal of the monies remaining in the Fund after the payments of such claims ·and for matters connected therewith; presented by the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent meeting of this House.
MOTIONS THE DEVELOPMENT (SUPPLE MENTARY) (No.

2) ESTIMATES, 1962 The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan Siew Sin): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move, in accordance with S.O.
67-C, that· the following motion be referred immediately ·to a Committee of the whole House: "That this House resolves that a sum not exceeding $5,000,000 be expended out of the Development Fund in the ·financial [ear, 1962, and that to meet the purpose o the Head and Sub-head set out in the second column of the Statement laid on the Table as Command Paper No.

31 of 1962, there be appropriated the sum specified opposite such Head and Sub-head m the third column thereof."

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Honourable Members of this House will remember that at the last session of Parliament in August, 1962, an Act to amend the Development Fund Ordinance, in order to provide for the creation of a Contingencies Reserve the Development Estimates, was in passed.
The House will also remember that the purpose of creating such a Contingencies Reserve for the Develop ment Estimates is to provide a source of funds from which the Minister of 1265 3 OCTOBER 1962 1266 in funds will ensure Finance can make advances to meet urgent and unforeseen requirements in connection w.ith the implementation of the Development Plan prior to the introduction of Supplementary Deve lopment Estimates the Dewan Ra'ayat.
The existence of such · a that source of urgent work for which no provision exists can proceed without wasteful interruption.

the is National Development Planning Com mittee too that additional funds may be required by certain Ministries before the end of 1962, owing to the rapid rate of progress of certain aspects of their approved programmes, and it is considered that a reserve of $5,000,000 should be provided.
The House is accordingly asked to approve the Deve lopment (Supplementary) 2) Estimates, 1962, to provide for a contingencies reserve of $5,000,000.

thought by (No.

It Sir, I beg to move.

The Deputy Prime Minister (Tun Haji Abdul Razak): Sir, I beg to second the motion.

in Enche' Tan Phock Kin (Tanjong): Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable the Minister of Finance introducing this motion is rather brief in explain ing to us the requirements.
We on this side of the House fully appreciate that the objective of the Contingencies Fund is to enable the Government to draw money for certain urgent projects.

However, Sir, it must be realised that, as far as development is concerned, it is known that in the course of one year Government is going to proceed on certain projects and, as fat as contingencies are concerned, I am sure that if the .
development is plaruied properly it is possible for the Govern ment to ascertain how much money is required for contingencies, and it is possible for Government to tell this House that in its opinion, acting on the advice of experts, what particular projects may need money from the Contingencies Fund.
Mr Speaker, Sir, I regret to note that in the course of his speech, the Honourable the Minister of Finance has made no effort \\'.hatsoevet to give a more detailed explanation as to how the· money is to be utilised.

It seems to me that $5,000,000 for contingencies, in the absence of explanation, may be too large a figure.

However, I feel that it is the duty of the Minister of Finance to convince this House that it should approve this sum of money and that this sum of money is by no means excessive.
I hope that in the coUfse of discussion in Committee, an attempt will be made by the' Minister of Finance to give us more explanation on this.

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker~ Sir, the House will recall that the total provision for development, which has been approved by this House for this year, is a sum in the region of $450 million.

If the Honourable Member for Tanjong were to do a little quick arithmetic, he will find that $5,000,000 is roughly equivalent to one per cent of the total.
What I have tried to explain in my speech is that it is not possible for the Government to foresee which particular project will be ahead of schedule and which project will not be ahead of schedule.

I suggest, Sir, that the sum of $5,000,000.

which as I have already pointed out previously, is of.

the order of one per cent of is not an excessive sum for this purpose.

Qwestion put, and agreed to.

immediately.

resolves House itself into a Committee of the whole House.

Motion and Development (Supple (No.


2) Estimates, 1962, mentary) considered in the Committee.

total, the (Mr Speaker in the Chair) Head 153- Mr Chairman: I propose that Head 153, Contingencies Reserve, amounting to $5,000,000 may be approved.

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Chairman, Sir, I do not think that a further speech is required from me, as what I. ha~e said previously explains the · s1tuat1on.

Enche' Tan Phock Kin: Mr Chair man, Sir, I would like to ask one question with regard to this particular Fund.
According to the speech of the Honourable Minister of Finance.

he reckons that one per· cent is a reason• able figure.

So, may I ask him whether 1267 3 OCTOBER 1962 1268 in calculating this one per cent basis.

does he take into consideration projects that may not be proceeding in accordance with schedule.

and thereby there will be substantial savings as far as expenditure on such projects are concerned?

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Yes.

Sir.


Enche' Tan Phock Kin: Can the Honourable Minister give us an esti mate of what percentage of the projects will be?

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Chairman.

Sir.

I am only a Minister but not a prophet; and I do not mind telling the Honourable Member that the original figure suggested was far greater than one per cent.

but the Treasury cut it down to one per cent and I feel that this figure is really a modest one.

Question put, and agreed to.


The sum of $5,000,000 for Head 153 agreed to stand part of the Deve lbpment (Supplementary) 2) Estimates.

1962.

(No.

Question on the motion put.

and agreed to.

viz.

: That a sum not exceeding $5,000,000 be expended out of the Development Fund in the financial year 1962, and that to meet the purpose of the Head and Sub-head set out in the second column of the Statement laid en the Table as Command Paper No.
31 of 19620 there be appropriated the sum specified cpposite such Head and Sub-head in the third column thereof.

House resumes.

Eache' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker.

Sir, I beg to report that the Committee has considered the motion referred to it and has agreed to it.
I accordingly move- That a sum not exceeding $5,000,000 be expended , out of the Development Fund in the financial year 1962, and that to meet the purpose of the Head and Sub-head set out in the second column of the Statement laid on the Table as Command Paper No; 31 of 1962, there be appropriated·the sum specified opposite, such Head and Su~head in the third column thereof.

Taa Haji A~ul Rusk: Sir;.

I beg to second the motion.

Question put.

and agreed to.


Resolved, That a sum hot exceeding $5,000,000 be expended out of the Development Fund in the fulancial year 1962, and that to meet the purpose of the Head and Sub-head set out m the second column of the Statement laid on the Table as Command Paper No.

31 of 1962, there be appropriated the sum sp_ecified opposite such Head and Sub-head in the third column thereof.
THE FINANCIAL PROCEDURE ORDINANCE, 1957 Deletion of the Celdral Babk Establillament Expemes Fund, the Tin Bder Stock Contri butors' Advances, and the Federation Air Service Fund from the Second Schedule En~' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir.
I beg to move, That, in accordance with the provisions of sub-section (4) of Section 10 of the Financial Procedure Ordinance, 19S7, the Second Schedule to the said Ordinance be amended by deleting therefrom the following items : "Central Bank Establishment ·Expenses Fund, Tin Buffer Stock Contributors' Advances, Federation Air Service Fund."

Hon'ble Members will recall that in July.

1958, a Bill called the Statutory Fund Appropriation Bill.
1958, was passed· by the then Legislative Council to create a statutory Trust.

Fund for the purpose of meeting the salaries and allowances of the staff of the then new Central Bank and for the purchase of the requisite office equipment and stationery to enable the Central Bank to commence operations.
In his speech to the Council then, my predecessor stated that when the Bank had been established on a firm basis, it would .be required to repay any .sums advanced by the Treasury and that the statutory Trust Fund Advance Account would be closed.

This position has now been reached.

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and the Central Bank Est3blishment Expenses Fund is thus should, O() accotdingly, be dele~d from the Second Schedule to the Financial Procedure Ordinance, 1957. ,longer.· required and Likewise.
the Tin Buffer Stock Contributors' Advances Trust Fund has now· served its purpose and is no longer required.

The Tin Control (Buffer Stock) Regulations, 1956, which covered the First Tin Bulfer Stock made provision for the grant of hardship loans· to miners.

When the buffer stock was contributions returned to miners •.

it was.

agrc;ed with the tin .


mining industry tha.t the Tin Buffer Stock Regulations,· 1961. which liqµidated and 1269 3 OCTOBER 1962 1270 made provision for contributions to the Second Tin Buffer Stock should not make any provision for the grant of hardship loans.

The Tin Buffer Stock Contributors'' Advances Trust Account should accordingly be deleted from the Second Schedule the Financial Procedure Ordinance.

1957. to In December.

1957, a statutory Trust Account was created •.


and an amount of $500,000 was credited to it to provide for a Federation Air Service to which advances could be made from the Fund.

With the transfer in mid-1958 of the aircraft operated for the Federation Air Service to Messrs Malayan Airways Ltd, the Fund is no longer required, The Trust Account can accordingly be closed and the Federation Air Service Fund deleted from the Second Schedule to the Financial Procedure Ordinance.

Sir, I beg to move.
Sir, I beg to move.

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That, in accordance with the provisions of sub-section (4) of Section 10 of the Financial the Second Procedure Ordinance, 19S7, Schedule to the said Ordinance be amended by deleting therefrom the following items : "Central Bank Establishment Expenses Fund.

Tin Buffer Stock Contributors' Advances, Federation Air Service Fund."

THE CUSTOMS DUTIES (AMEND MENT No.


3) ORDER, 1962 Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir.

I beg to move, That tbis House resolves that in accordance with the powers vested in it by virtue of ~ub-section (2) of section 10 of the Customs the Customs Duties Ordinance, (Amendment No.

3) Order, 1962, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

37 of 1962 be confirmed.


19S2, Sir, this Order under the Customs Ordinance has been made and it is presented to the House, as the Ordi· nance requires, for.

confirmation.

A domestic bicycle manufacturing industry has been established but it is meeting low-priced intense competition from imports from countries such as China and Japan where the manufacturers -enjoy the benefits of a large home market.
After consideration of a report the Federation submitted by the Tariff Advisory Com· mittee the Government is satisfied that our own manufacturers should be afforded increased tariff protection to enable them to build up sales in their home market.

At th~same time.

it is considered that the manufacture of an increasing number of component parts should be within encouraged.

The Order now before the House achieves in three ways.

firstly, by raising the duty on Code No.


733.110. that is on com plete bicycles, from $12 to $14 full rate.

and $9 to $11 preferential rate.

secondly, by increasing the rate of duty on those components which can be manufactured economically in the Federation and, · lastly, by removing the duty on those components whose manufacture locally is uneconomic at the present time due, primarily, to the limited size of the domestic market.
these objectives I am satisfied that these changes in the Tariff will afford a reasonable opportunity for the expansion of the domestic manufacture of bicycles whilst, at the same time.

ensuring that home manufacturers are not shielded from fair competition from imports.

as such cOmpeijtion is essential to ensure effi ciency.
Finally, I wish to emphasise that the changes in the Tariff made in this Order do not justify any sharp increase in the price of bicycles; on the contrary little or no .increase should occur.

Sir.

I beg to move.

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Sir.

I beg to second the motion.

Question put.

a~ agreed to.

Resolved, That this HoU5e resolves that in accordance with the po\vers vested in it by virtue of sulHection · (2) of section 10 of the Customs the Customs Duties Ordinance, (Amendment No.
3) Order, 1962, which has been laid before the House as· Statute Paper No.

37. of 1962 be confirmed.

19S2, PERATORAN NAIK i>ARJAH · Zulkilee bin Muhammad Enche' (Bachok)c Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

saya mohon menchadangkan usul yang ter diri dengan nama saya ia-itu : Bahawa Majlis ini.
mengambil ketetapan bahawa peratoran naik darjah detigan sendiri l)ada yang di·jalankan di·dalatn · sekolah2 1271 3 OCTOBER 1962 1272 masa ini hendak-lah di-kaji sa-mula dan di hapuskan suatu di-ganti serta peratoran yang lebeh baik.

dengan Tuan Yang di-Pertua.


apabila kita mengator susunan pelajaran dengan sukatan2-nya maka tujuan kita ia-lah supaya membole~an anak yang belajar di-sekolah itu mengikuti pelajaran itu dari satu masa ka-satu masa sa-suai dengan perkembangan fikiran dan pelajaran yang di-bentok menurut pelajaran yang kita atorkan.

Maka pelajaran rendah dan menengah telah di-bahagi 2 supaya orang2 yang men jadi murid atau budak2 yang menjadi murid sekolah itu dapat mempelajari sa-suatu yang sa-padan dengan akal- .

nya.
nya.

Timbul-nya susunan pepereksaan di-dalam falasafah pendidekan ia-lah dengan tujuan hendak menyesuaikan pelajaran dengan kebolehan kanak2, dan apabila di-lakukan pepereksaan dari satu masa ka-satu masa, maka itu nyata-lah di-dalam pepereksaan bahawa kanak2 itu sama ada ia dapat meneruskan atau tidak pelajaran ka perengkat kedua ada-lah bergantong kapada pengukoran kebolehan belajar yang hanya dapat di-tentukan dengan pepereksaan dari satu masa ka-satu masa.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ini-lah asas pepereksaan yang sa-lama hari ini di-pakai di-dalam negeri ini, dan pada waktu yang akhir ini Kerajaan telah meletakkan satu peratoran auto matic promotion atau naik darjah dengan sendiri.
Saya memang akui bahawa ada sebab2 yang boleh di terima dari segi pendidekan bahawa automatic promotion ini boleh di-jalan kan. Akan tetapi, jika kita pandang bahawa tujuan yang besar bagi kita ia-lah mengenalkan murid kita dan me ngetahui dengan dalam-nya sama ad.a murid itu boleh mengikut pelajaran pemindahan dari satu masa ka-satu masa.

Nyata kapada saya bahawa dengan sa-mata2 mengadakan automatic promo tion atau naik darjah dengan sendiri tidak-lah dapat di-akui bahawa masa alah ini dapat di-atasi.
Apabila saya lihat, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kapada Penyata yang di-kemukakan oleh Jawatan~Kuasa Mengkaji Dasar .Pela jaran yang di-keluarkan pada tahun 1960, maka nampak kapada kita bahawa asas bagi automatic promotion atau naik darjah dengan sendiri bukan lah lebeh di-letakkan di-atas asas pela jaran dan kepentingan pendidekan tempat tetapi di-atas asas memberi kapada orang lain.
Paragraph 149 dari pada Penyata itu mengatakan: "Under the recommendations of the 1956 Report no pupil shall spend more than one year in a standard of an assisted primary school or in a Form in an assisted secondary school except with the written approval of the appropriate authority.
Provision is made however for exceptions according to age in Standard VI and Forms HI and V." dan paragraph 150 mengatakan: "Some members of the public who have submitted memoranda to us advocate the discontinuance of system of auto this matic , .

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Apabila telah di-jalankan sistem naik darjah dengan sendiri itu di-asaskan supaya membolehkan orang lain pula mendudoki tempat itu, maka nyata-lah kepentingan atau yang di-ajar pada masa itu di-gantongkan kapada ke pentingan kedudokan atau kerusi yang ia dudok dan belajar di-sekolah itu.

Maka apa yang telah berlaku pada masa itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ia-lah bahawa murid2 yang belum.
dapat mengisi otak-nya dengan pelajaran2 yang di-beri telah di-naikkan, dan ini pada beberapa perengkat pelajaran itu kepayahan menyebabkan Ilmu sebab pelajaran, mithal-nya, Hisab dan sa-bagai-nya ada-lah pela jaran2 yang berhajatkan kapada ke kokohan di-perengk:at awal.

Maka dengan ada-nya automatic promotion tidak dapat meletakkan kita ukoran yang tepat kapada pelajaran budak2.
beberapa telah Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apabila di 'itirafkan hal ini di-dalam perbahathan dahulu oleh saya, maka di-kemukakan lah hujah saperti yang di-nyatakan oleh Penyata Pelajaran ini yang mengata kan bahawa walau pun sa-benar-nya automatic promotion atau naik darjah dengan sendiri ini berjalan di-dalam sekolah tidak-lah berma'ana bahawa tidak boleh di-adakan internal exami nation atau pepereksaan dalam sekolah yang di-jalankan oleh guru bagi ke pentingan murid2.
Di-sini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tujuan mengadakan peperek saan di-dalam sekolah dengan kelolaan dan kuasa sekolah itu sendiri, saya telah nampak jadi bagini: murid itu 1273 3 OCTOBER 1962 1274 di-pereksa supaya mereka itu rajin mengaji dan melanchar pelajaran mereka, tetapi mereka tahu bahawa kalau pun mereka tidak lulus dalam pepereksaan itu mereka akan di-naik kan juga dengan dasar naik darjah dengan sendiri yang di-amalkan oleh Kementerian.

Murid itu dengan sendiri nya lemah dalam pelajaran.
berlaku sekarang Tuan Yang di-Pertua, hal ini telah saya dapat perhatikan di-dalam satu perjumpaan dengan guru2 di-Sekolah Menengah Sultanah Zainab, yang ke betulan saya menjadi salah sa-orang daripada Jema'ah Pengurus.

Di-dalam pertemuan itu 10-15 orang guru telah di-panggil dan kebanyakan daripada mereka itu-apabila saya sebutkan ke banyakan-melainkan sa-orang sahaja telah mengatakan bahawa kelemahan yang di-dalam sekolah2 menengah.

satu daripada sebab yang besar ia-lah kerana automatic promotion.
Saya harap Kementerian Pelajaran akan mengambil tindakan di-atas guru2 itu.

Sebab kita bertujuan ia-Iah mengetahui apa-kah kelemahan ini berlaku di-sekolah yang tersebut.

Mereka itu menerangkan dengan jelas bahawa sa-kira-nya tidak di-betulkan hal ini maka akan berke panjangan kelemahan pelajaran murid sekolah dan ini akan mengakibatkan ~ejatohan di-akhir tahun ketika mereka di-pereksa.
tidak Satu daripada perkara yang telah menjadi ubat pada agakan Kementerian ia-lah kelulusan yang di-buat bahawa tiap2 boleh mengadakan sekolah sa·lain internal examination, tetapi daripada sebab yang telah saya sebut kan tadi ia-itu Guru Besar sekolah menyatakan bahawa telah ada surat keliling daripada Kementerian Pela· -jaran bahawa sekolah2 tidak-lah boleh menghabiskan waktu mereka dengan pepereksaan.

Ini bererti pepereksaan ·tidak-lah di-galakkan.


Jadi, apa yang telah berlaku bahawa mereka memikirka.n pada Dasar Ran changan Naik Darjah dengan sendiri ini berjalan dengan sa-penoh-nya, dan oleh kerana perkara2 saperti mathe matic-ilmu hisab yang patut di-kokoh kan pada peringkat.
awal daripada pelajaran lagi tetapi telah tidak dapat tiap2 di-lakukan pepereksaan pada tahun untok mengetahui sama ada sa-saorang budak itu boleh mempunyai kedudokan yang kuat di-dalam ilmu mathematic supaya membolehkan dia naik darjah.
Kira-nya ini dia telah tidak dapat maka dua tahun yang akan datang akan kehilangan sa-mata2, sebab dia akan berjalan dan pada zahir-nya dia akan naik darjah dan ketika dia akan di-pereksa atau pada ketika atas asas2 utama bagi ilmu mathematic ini akan di-kehendaki maka dia akan jatoh dengan sendiri-nya.

Ini-lah sebab nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mem .bawa usul ini supaya perkara ini di perhatikan sa-mula oleh Kerajaan dan di-timbangkan penghapusan sistem ini lebeh baik.
dengan peratoran yang Apa-kah sebab perkara ini di-fikirkan patut di-wujudkan satu peratoran yang lebeh baik.

Sebab dengan tiada-nya pepereksaan biasa, hilang-lah satu initiative-satu penarekan bagi budak2 supaya membacha dan mengkaji dengan halus sa-belum masok pepereksaan.
Pada fikiran Jawatan-Kuasa yang mengemukakan Kajian Sa-mula Dasar Pelajaran ini, ini sa-bagaimana para -graph 152: "It is also essential that yarents should be kept regularly informed o the progress of their children by being supplied with detailed reports from the school," itu Dia telah meletakkan perkara ini kapada kerjasama bapa murid2.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, memberitahu bapa2 murid tentang keadaan anak2-nya ada lah satu perkara yang mudah tetapi membawa bapa2 murid itu supaya memahami implication report yang di kemukakan ia-lah satu soalan.

Sebab kita berada dalam satu masha terutama bagi anak2 Melayu J"ak.a.t yang bapa2-nya belum lagi mengetahui peringkat pelajaran anak2 itu sendiri.

Di-suroh-lah membacha report card dan di-suroh·lah bapa-nya bertindak terhadap kedudokan report itu.

Dan itu .
Dan itu .

oleh kerana kebanyakan bapa2 miskin dan oleh kerana bapa2 itu .. sendiri tidak mengetahui apa-kah pela jaran2 dan bagaimana hendak me ninggikan pelajaran anak2-nya itu maka .

apa yang di-harapkan dan apa yang di-sebutkan sa·bagai essential di-dalam paragraph 152 daripada Penyata Meng kaji Sa-mula Dasar Pelajaran itu tidak dapat di-wujudkan.
Oleh yang demi- 1275 3 OC'POBER 1962 1276 kian, Tuan Yang di-Pertua oleh sebab anasir2 yang membolehkan kita men jalankan naik darjah dengan sendiri ini telah terbantut dan terchedera pada beberapa tempat dart tidak boleh di jalankan automatic promotion ini dengan sempurna-nya di-dalam negeri ini.
ia-itu supaya Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya telah mengemukakan satu usul yang tidak pun sempat di~fikirkan oleh Menteri Pelajaran ketika report ini di-kemuka kan, internal exami nation-pepereksaan dalam, yang di jalankan oleh sekolah2 pada tiap2 itu di-kira markah-nya dan tahun ·per akibat di-da1am mempunyai hetongan panjang markah pepereksaan akhir pada peringkat Primary dan Secondary, itu telah tidak di-timbang kan. Sa-kira-nya itu dapat di-lakukan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, umpama-nya walau pun dia akan di-pereksa pada kelas VI atau pada kelas yang akhir bagi tahun Sekolah Menengah tetapi telah di-beritahu kapada dia, di-tahun2 yang dia tidak di-pereksa itu, mark:ah2 yang dia dapat di-dalam internal exami nation itu akan di-kira maka dia sendiri akan mengambil · berat.
Dengan yang demikian boleh~lah Kementerian ini menggunakan pepereksaan yang mem punyai akibat pada perhetongan akhir ini sa-bagai asas bagi melakukan dua perkara.

Pertama, asas bagi melakukan perhetongan di-tahun yang akhir.

Yang kedua, asas melakukan • Jayanan yang tertentu kapada murid2 yang lemah bagi tahun2 yang tertentu.

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"kira-nya pada darjah satu, dua dan tiga atau darjah empat sa-umpama-nya di-dapati dia lemah di--Oalam · ilmu yang di-tentu kan itu tetapi oleh kerana atoran auto matic promotion ini berjalan maka dia di-pindahkan dan layanan hendak-lah di-beri kapada-nya supaya dia dapat menutup kelemahanl pelajaran-nya dalam matal pelajaran yang tertentu.
Hal ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, jika dapat di-Iakukan maka dengan sendiri nya dapat mengubat kesutitan2 kedu dokan tempat yang di-sebutkan dalam paragraph 149 daripada Penyata Pela jaran ini.

Ini-lah yang saya katakan.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, satu daripada chara yang dapat dengan mewujudkan satu sistem yang lebeh baik daripada automatic promotion yang tidak ada berkait dan tidak ada bersharat ini.
mengemb~ngkan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, orang me ngatakan sistem automatic ini oleh kerana ini-lah yang paling moden sa ka\i di-dalam chara pengajaran dan tetapi, Tuan Yang di pendidekan Pertua, paling moden sa-kali di-dalam masharakat yang saperti mana?

Sudah kah Persekutuan 'tanah Melayu dengan keadaan~nya yang ada sekarang ini, dengan keadaan ibu bapa: belum dapat ·mengikuti dan belum dapat memberi contribution-sumbangan bersendirian anak2-nya bagi dengan pelajaran-nya sendiri?
Sudah kah kita fikirkan di-dalam keadaan serba belum dapat ini patut kita melangkah kapada satu sistem pela jaran yang sudah di-pakai orang di tempat lain kerana berlainan dan ber bedza pelajaran ibu bapa itu sendiri.

Maka ini-lah perkara yang patut di fikirkan oleh Kementerian dan saya perchaya sa-kira-nya di-atas asas2 ini di-fikirkan saya perchaya hal ini akan dapat di-persetujui oleh Kerajaan untok mengkaji sa-mula.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berharap supaya Kera jaan dapat berhati2 di-dalam hal ini.
Sebab ibu bapa kanak2 di-dalam negeri ini apabila mereka itu merungutkan tentang kelemahan anak2 mereka dengan sebab tidak ada pepereksaan dan sa-bagai-nya, kita boleh-lah menjawab kapada mereka itu yang sa-benar-nya sunggoh pun tidak ada pepereksaan, kami menyuroh tuan2 supaya meng ga1akkan anak tuan2 membacha dan sa-bagai-nya.

Tetapi sa-telah kita menyiasat dan menyelideki-nya maka membolehkan .
mereka membuat demikian, oleh itu jangan-lah mereka itu menjadi mangsa, ·padahal Kerajaan boleh menibuat sistem yang lebeh baik lagi.

Ini-lah saya mengemukakan chadangan ini.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

Tuan Baji · Ahmad bin Abdullah (Kofa Bhan Hillr): Tuan Yang di Pertua.

saya menyokong usul yang ada di-hadapan kita ini.


Di-dalam sokongan saya bagi usul ini suka-lah saya hendak menarek pandangan Dewan ini di-atas dua tiga perkara yang penting di-atas kedudokan pelajaran yang ada di-dalam / I 1277 3 OCTOBER 1962 1278 ' · • .

examination technical education.

negeri kita sekarang ini.

Oleh sebab pada muridl sekolah pada masa yang ·automatic system yang sedang · di~ -akan · datang.

• ldta pada jalankan di-dalam negeri .EDche Chin See ~ID .
(Serem~an masa ini akibat-nya banyak-lah budak2 yang tidak mahu mengambil hirau ,di- T1mor): ~r S~ker.

Sir, the motion atas pelajaran mereka.

Saya ada-lah befo~e us ts to ask the Government to sa-~i salah sa-orang anggota bagi aOO¥sh the :present system of ~uto­ Jema'ah ,l>.enguius.

Sekota.h Menettitab matii.

c. promotion an~ to replace 1t .by Inggeris di-Kota ~haru.

j:iiga Sekolab a !>etter system.

Sir, .

OlJ!

education Rendah Jnggeris di-Kota ~haru.

Qleb policy at the moment.


1s mtend:d for itu · dapat-lah saya sadikit ·sa-banyak two ty:pes of ed:iication--0ne is for pengalaman .dan pengetahuan di-atas acade.m1cal educ!ltion and the other for kedudokan murid2 di-dalam kedua2 tersebut.

Dengan di-adakan Mr. Speaker, Sir, what we are now sekolah automatic system yang sedang berjalan considenng is the question of automatic itu banyak-lah budak.2 daripada orang promotion.
and this has a bearing on kita Melayu.. Q.emildan juga daripada the future generations of the country.

gulongan bangsa2 lain apabila mereka becal,1$e under the automatic promotion terus-lah.
mereka systeri1 a child at the age of six is sent pulang ka-rumah menchampakkan buku2• dan bermain2 to school and he does not need to sahaja, kerana mereka ta.bu bahawa prepare himself for examination at the mereka akan di-naikkan darjah walau end of each year, as he is certain to be pun mereka tidak belajar btrsunggoh2• promoted every, year until the end of the sixth year, when he has to take an Barangkali Menteri yang bersangkutan akan menjawab babawa ada-lah auto- to a entrance matic system ini ada berjalan di-negeri2 secondary scho91.
For six years a child y11ng bertamaddWl, t~tapi suka-lah saya can be very lazy, and the teachers of these children in the primary school menarek pethatian bahawa ada-lah ibu bapa murid2, lebehl lagi dari gulongan can also be lazy.

Now, who is to blame orang2 Melayu belum•lah lagi dapat when a child fails in the entrance mengikuti pelajarant · attalt:l Diereka itu - examination to .enable him to go to a yang sedang di~bangku sekolab.

: Kita sec6nclacy school?

During the six years tahu sunggoh pun ·ibU.


bapa il'U dl-bm Of education of .the ~hild, so far as the 'pun · rep0rt1.

untok teac;he~s are concerned, they can take kenyata:an atau mengeta.hui di-ataS kejayaa:n atau tidak- life easy.

because no one can say who is .

to .~ blaJl1ed for the failure of the nya bagi anakl meteka: itu· di-bangku sekolah, tetapi kebanyakan: ibu bapa child,, f'rc:nn the primary class he goes itu sendiri tidak tahu bahasa Inggeris, .~ Stand~d I.
Standard II and so forth, tidak · faham: rep0tt2· ~ang telah.

di- ana tbe teachers are di1ferent persons, not the.

saine teacher ~oughout; but berikan kapada-nya.

if it is tbe same teacher from one class to satu · 1agi.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa.

another oontinumg throughout until the tahu ·ada·lah sixth yeat~i then the teacher can be held bagaimana yang kita banyak guru2 yang belum lagi mem- ~ponsible.
As it is today a person sa- may be teaching Standard I. all{'ther punyai kebolehan ·yang bagaimana yang ada di-luar negeri yang Standard IJ..' and so forth; and when bertamaddun.

Saya tidak.tah bermatsud the child reaches Standard Six and sits bahawa gurui.

yang ada sekarang .. ini for.

the entrance· examination to a secondary school in which he fails, is tidak tnempunyai kebolehan.

Tetapi sa- the· child to be blamed or are the gulongan yang besar daripada mereka teachers to be blamed?
Therefore, the itu barangkali belum menchulupi mem- punyal kebolehan datl latehatt yang point is that it is necessary to have tinggi supa:ya dapat menjayakan amtk:2 monthly tests and annual examinations.

I am sute, Sir, that under the present kita yang sedang ada di-bangku sekolah itu.

Ini-lah sa-tengah daripada sebab2- system of automatic promotion very few schools.
as far as I know, would nya yang patutldta kaji dan timbangkan take the pains to ·give pupils monthly dengan balus-nya, dettgan ini dapat-lah tests or annual examinations.

The very kita mengatasi kelemahan yang ada to go tinggi · : · · · · · 1279 3 OCTOBER 1962 1280 few schools which, I know, are doing so are the Mission schools.
In the Mis sion schools most of the teachers are of the conservative type; they believe in teaching and that teaching is a noble profession; lives, they devote thoughts and everything to teaching.

The modern method of teaching is something like a teacher going to a class, reading aloud to the children and cai: ing little whether the pupils understand or know the subject or not.

their Mr Speaker, Sir, it has been suggested that the automatic system of promotion has been copied from other countries.
If that is true, then I would like to refer to the opinions of a Headmaster, who has been in this country for a long time and who has recently retired-he is Dr Lewis.

On his retirement, before he left the country he expressed his vie:ws and he gave his suggestions as to why he disagreed with the present system of automatic promotion.
Firstly, he sl1id that he disagreed with the Malayan system of the Primary School Examina tion-I think he has very good reasons for saying that; secondly, he said the system was unfair, because it did not take into consideration the different rates of progress of children.
Here, his opinion is supported by the five Russian teachers, who were touring England and who have, in fact, given their opinions on the matter : one Russian teacher said-this was at the time when they were in England some time in 1960: "We find your eleven-plus test quite unacceptable."

The teacher, of course, gave her reasons for that.


Now, coming to the ex-Headmaster of the Victoria Institution-Dr Lewis he has pointed out that some of the children are late developers and some are precocious and that we must give the children the opportunity to prove themselves and for that something addi tional must be provided-and that is lacking in this country.
We have not a school for such research, we have not the facilities, and if we have no such things, then why should we copy a system that is not practicable in this country?

The system may be practic able in England, but I understand now that even in England they are beginning to feel that the system is not good.

Therefore, Sir, it is about time that we should set up a school very quickly to.

do research and to make the necessary recommendations.
it wrong Now, let us come back to these five Russian school teachers who were tour the English ing England visiting boarding schools for a fortnight.

The Headmistress, Miss Klomakova, told the English people, "We find your eleven-plus test quite unacceptable.

We that some children think should receive a proper secondary education and others not.

Besides, we do not think you can possibly tell a child's ultimate capabilities at that age."
Sir, that is very true, because Sir Winston Churchill was found to be an able person only after he was 27 years~ and quite a number of our Ministers, in fact, became prominent when they were pretty old-some of them became grandfathers, I was told.

(Laughter).

Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, in Russia even unintelligent children are educated to a much higher level than the British children in secondary modern schools.
Therefore, the bearing on the future generations of children in this country is a very important factor for us to consider.

And if we were to consider the report for the year 1961, where it was stated that of the 40,000 odd children who sat for the secondary school examination, the majority of passes are in Grade "C" the large number of failures can be appreciated.

Further, in our education system, it is stated that if one fails to go to the secondary school one can go to the post-primary school--!
am just wonder ing how many post-primary schools there are in the country just now.

What happens to all these poor unfortunate children among whom are quite a number of very intelligent ones?
They are thrown into the streets and they are very quickly taken into the various camps, and they become thugs and rogues.· These are good people, but because they have gone to a place where the atmosphere is not good, they sort of contracted a bad disease, and no amount of police force in this country can help put the situation in good order, if we allow more children to go into the streets next year.
1281 3 OCTOBER 1962 1282 Therefore, Sir, it is important to note what another professor said in regard to the type of books ..... Mr Speaker: Is that one from Russia too?

(Laughter).

referred Enche' Chin See Yin: No, Sir.

This one is from England.

He was a profes· sor in the University of Malaya, but he talked a little too much and he was told to "pack off".

He is Professor T. L. Green and he made the remarks when he first came to the University of Singapore.
He his experience in Ceylon where conditions this are comparable to country and he said that the most important thing is the type of text books that must be prepared for the people.

He said that in a country, which got its there were quite a lot of opportunists and quite a lot of textbooks, as there was a large potential market for such ..•.

independence quite lately, those to in Mr Speaker: How is that relevant to the motion?
Enche' Chin See Yin: Books used in connection with primary education, and automatic promotion.

(Laughter).

The textbooks have.

been Malayanised and that is why the Education Department must be very careful.

Mr Speaker: That is not relevant.

Enche' Chin See Yin: I will confine myself to the motion.

I raised the matter, because I thought of dinning into the ears of the Ministry of Educa tion to be more careful.
If we have books that we commonly use daily for a child to study, then it is easy for the child to pick up-and here, again, very much depends on whether the teacher has taken much pains to see that what is taught in the day will be gone into by the pupils in the evening-and in this connection a taken monthly and an annual examination be · conducted.
test should be Mr Speaker, Sir, for these reasons and others which need not necessarily be mentioned but which are well-known to us, I think this motion is reasonable; and if it is a reasonable one, then I ask the Government to accept it, because of the advice given by His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong the First~ and I quote what he said : "Whatever is good for the people should have the support of all Parties irrespective of where the idea has originated.
All Parties alike have a duty to the people as a whole but on the majority Party in any Parliament lies the special responsibility of hstening with receptive minds all constructive criticisms of their policy ever ready to accept sincere contributions to the common weal."

Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji Anhad (Kuala Trengganu Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun mengambil peluang berchakap tentang usul ini sa-belum Menteri Pelajaran mengemukakan pendapat-nya.
Ada satu perkara yang saya hendak kemukakan ia-itu usul ini di-kemukakan di-sini ia-lah kerana terutama sa-kali me mandangkan kapada kelemahan dan kemundoran kanak2 di-sekolah2 ke bangsaan untok memasoki sekolah2 me ini.

Perkara nengah dalam negeri yang saya hendak bentangkan di-sini ia-lah perkara ujian2 yang di-jalankan pada tiap2 minggu, bulan dan tahun di-dalam sekolah itu bagi menentukan kemajuan atau kemundoran dalam pelajaran.
Harus-lah Yang Berhormat Menteri akan memberitahu bahawa sunggoh pun pepereksaan tidak di jalankan dalam sekolah pada masa: ini, tetapi ujian2 mingguan dan bulanan ada di-jalankan di-dalam sekolah itu.

Laporan berkenaan dengan ujian itu ada di-chatitkan dalam kad laporan, kemudian enam bulan atau sa-tahun sa-kali di-hantar kapadll( warith murid2 itu.
juga Saya suka hendak minta penjelasan daripada Yang Berhormat Menteri ia-itu ada-kah beliau puas hati bahawa ujian yang telah di-jalankan, terutama di-dalam sekolah2 kebangsaan negeri laporan yang di ini; dan chatitkan dalam kad laporan yang di-hantar kapada warith-nya itu benar basil daripada ujian telah di-jalankan dengan betul dan menurut arahan Kementerian Pelajaran?
Kalau sa·kira· nya perkara itu tidak dapat di-terang kan sama ada kita puas hati dengan peratoran yang di-ja_lankan itu, saya suka sa-kira-nya Yang Berhormat Menteri dapat menerangkan apa-kah pada masa ini ada di-jalankan apa2 ikhtiar atau arahan yang baharu bagi 1283 3 OCTOBER 1962 1284 menentukan bahawa ujian yang di jalankan di-dalam sekolah2 itu di jalankan dengan betul, dan laporan yang di-chatit dan yang di-hantar kapada warith murid2 itu ada-lah laporan yang betul.
Kerana, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sendiri ada mendapat kenyataan daripada sa tengah warith murid2 itu mengatakan anak2-nya yang belajar dalam sekolah2 kebangsaan itu pada tiap2 kali dia menerima kad laporan itu daripada Guru Besar tempat anak-nya ber sekolah itu pelajaran anak-nya ada-lah bagus, baik dan chukup memuaskan.

Mr Speaker: Perkara itu apa kena mengena dengan usul ini.

Tuan Haji Hasan Adli: Berkenaan dengan laporan itu.
Tuan Yang di Pertua, maksud saya ia-lah kalau sa-kira-nya Yang Berhormat Menteri tentu-lah beliau ini menolak usul akan menerangkan ia-itu sa-kira-nya ada ujian di-jalankan, kami hendak tahu apa-kah ujian yang di-jalankan telah di-jalankan dengan itu benar2 sempurna.

Sebab pengalaman warith murid yang menerima laporan tentang kemajuan anak2-nya itu saperti saya katakan tadi apabila anak-nya masok pepereksaan pilehan masok ka-sekolah telah.

kechiwa.
kechiwa.

menengah anak-nya Jadi di-situ-lah datang keraguan ba hawa sama ada laporan yang di-beri tentang ujian2 anak2-nya dalam sekolah itu benar2 telab di-tulis dengan betul dan di-laporkan dengan seinpurna.

Mr Speaker: I think it is a good time fifteen the sitting for to suspend minutes.

Sitting suspended at 11.25 a.m.

Sitting resumed at 11.50 a.m. Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid (Seberang Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun untok membangkang usul ini.
Bukan-lah bangkangan saya ini oleh kerana datang-nya usul ini dari pada pehak pembangkang, tetapi oleh kerana alasan-nya tidak lojik.

Saya dapati dan saya suka menarek per· hatian Ahli2 Yang Berhormat sakalian berkenaan dengan dasar pelajaran ia· itu manakala Perikatan menang dalani pilehan raya tahun 1955 dahulu, maka pehak Kerajaan telah memandang 1a-itu dasar pelajaran yang di-laksana· kan waktu pemerentahan penjajah dahulu itu tidak sa-suai.
Oleh yang demikian Kerajaan telah membentok satu Jawatan-Kuasa pengkaji bagi membuat laporan untok pertimbangan Majlis pada waktu itu, dan sudah pun di-persetujui ia-itu satu dasar yang baharu yang telah di-luluskan pada tahun 1956 dan di-laksanakan pada tahun 1957.

Sa-lepas dua tahun, dari segi pengalaman, perlaksanaan dasar pelajaran yang baharu itu, Kerajaan berpendapat bahawa ada beberapa perkara yang nampak-nya berkehen dakkan pemindaan untok di-sasuaikan lagi.
Maka Kerajaan telah melantek pula satu Jawatan-Kuasa untok meng kaji dasar tahun 1956 itu.

Dalam dasar yang baharu kita telah meluluskan pada tahun 1961 chuma ta' sampai dua tahun kita laksanakan dasar itu.

Oleh yang demikian satu2 chadangan, atau satu2 dasar, atau satu2 perchubaan bagi sa-barang ranchangan, perchubaan itu tidak-lah dapat kita ketahui bagai mana-kah kebaikan-nya sa-hingga kita telah berjalan beberapa tahun.
oleh di-kemukakan Usul ini pada pendapat saya ta' patut kerana memang menjadi kewajipan bagi pehak Kerajaan memerhatikan perlaksanaan dasar pelajaran yang pada masa ini sentiasa, atau selalu-nya menchari apa2 perkara yang di-fikirkan tidak sa-suai.

Sudah sa-benar-nya berlaku perkara itu, maka Kerajaan tidak ragu2 lagi akan meminda menyesuaikan kapada dasar yang baharu itu.
Usul ini ta' patut di-kemukakan ia-lah oleh kerana kewajipan bagi mana2 Kerajaan mene liti, atau memerhatihn di-atas dasar yang sooang di-laksanakan itu.

Sa· bagaimana usaha sekarang ini ia-lah chara menaikkan dengan darjah sendiri-nya-tidak ada di dengan tahan itu naik darjah2 dengan tidak di-teruskan me ngenai pepereksaan.

Memang di-ada kan pepercksaan dengan chara uFan.


Tiap2 penggal di·adakan pepereksaan dan buku bagi kemajuan murid itu di-tulis apa juga kemajuan sa-saorang murid itu dalam tiap2 penggal mana· kala di-adakan ujian.

Dalam buku itu .

sa-saorang murid 1285 3 OCTOBER 1962 1286 tangani, maka hendak-lah di-tanda terpulang-lah kapada warith-nya me· nyemak dan memerhatikan di-atas kemajuan anak2-nya.
Mengenai pela· jaran bukan-lah di-tanggong oleh guru2 tetapi warith dan ibu bapa sahaja ada-lah tanggong jawab bersama.

Jika lemah di-dapati pelajaran anak-nya dalam sa-suatu perkara itu, menjadi ibu bapa jawab kapada tanggong mengajar atau menghantar anak-nya kapada guru lain untok di-ajar supaya dapat kemajuan yang lebeh lagi.

Perkara ini, Tuan Yang di-Pettua, pada pendapat saya · baik-lah kita tanggohkan dahulu, ta' payah-lah di terima usul ini.
Usul ini sa-bagaimana pehak Kerajaan tahu ia-lah sa-bagai kewajipan-nya menghalusi dalam per kara sa-masa ka-samasa manakala di-dapati benar2 ada per tidak sasuai di-jalankan kara2 yang tentu akan di-pinda.

ini dari Lagi satu perbra mengenai murid2 yang masok sekolah.

Jika kita adakan pepereksaan, yang tidak lulus.


itu di· benarkan dia dudok dalam darjah, dan pada masa saya di-bangku sekolah dahulu, murid2 yang masok sekolah yang umor-nya dua tahun lebeh ·di· benarkan dudok dengan murid2 dalam satu darjah.

Saya dapati perkara ini sudah terjadi d~n maseh ada di· sekolah2 yang kadang2 murid2 yang berumor 12 tahun dudok sama dengan murid2 yang berumor 10 tahun.

Jadi kita dapati pada masa dahulu ke dudokan-nya tidak sa-baya.
Saya ber pendapat pada masa sekarang ini umor-nya ·sama belaka, dan murid2 tidak berapa ragu mempelajari dan bettekun sunggoh2 serta .

berlumba2 untok mendapatkan pelajaran.

Kalau lah kita ikut pelajaran dahulu, pela jarap 11?-asa penjajah, kita masoJc satu2 da1')ah itu k1ta akan dapati round yang lebeh umor-nya di-tahan naik darjah.

Jadi sa-hingga murid itu besar daripada yang patut di-biarkan belajar dalam sekolah.
Sekian-lah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, alasan saya, saya harap bagi pehak penchadang itu terima-lah bangkangan -saya ini-dengan baik-nya.

Enche' Othman bin Abdullah (PerJis Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pcrtua.

saya bangun menyertai rakan saya mem bangkang dengan keras-nya usul ini.
Sa-bagai sa-orang bekas guru tentu-lah mengetahui dan mengikuti dengan lebeh lanjut mengenai susunao pela jaran dan juga sistem pelajaran pen jajahan, yang mana perkara ini ada lah berlainan sa-kali dengan sistem atau pun chara yang telah di-jalankan dalam masa negara kita telah merdeka dan lebeh2 lagi sa-telah Dasar Pela jaran telah di-pinda pada tahun 1961.
Saya rasa sistem atau chara pelajaran yang di-jalankan pada hari ini ada-lah chukup sasuai dengan keadaan masa dan mengikut kehendak orang ramai tambahan pula dasar seluroh-nya, ia-lah hendak Kerajaan negeri memberi yang chukup kapada seluroh kanak2 dengan tidak kira apa gulongan dan apa darjah kehidupan.

Jadi dengan dasar ini-lah yang kita jadikan sistem pelajaran ini bertengkat2 dengan tidak mengambil sa-barang pepereksaan hanya ujian Penggal dan Tahunan.
ini jaminan pelajaran Sa-lain daripada itu, kita hendak memberi peluang kapada kanak2 men· dapat pelajaran dari perengkat pertama hingga menengah.

Kalau sa-kira-nya kita adakan sekatan ia-itu pepereksaan dan menaban kanak2 itu daripada naik darjah dari sa-tangga ka-satangga atau dari sa-tahun ka-satahun tentu sa-kali akan menjemukan kanak2 itu, dan boleh jadi berhenti sa-tengah jalan sahaja dan tidak dapat pelajaran daripada perengkat pertama hingga sa-terus-n,a.
J adi bidang pelajaran kita pada hari ini bukan sahajl;l untok sekolah kebang saan tetapi , sampai ka-sekolah me nengah dan lanjut dan sa-bagai•nya.

Jadi peluang yang kita beri kapada kanak2 dari mula itu sudah chukup memberi jaminan kapada seluroh ra'ayat ia-itu kita memberi pelajaran dengan tidak ada sekatan dan memberi dorongan melanjutkan pelajaran-nya.

Sa-perkara.

lagi yang di-bangkitkan oleh pehak penchadang ia-lah ke lemahan anak2 kita itu di-titekberat· kan kapada guru2.
Sa-bagai sa-orang bekas guru saya suk~ membela kedu dokan guru.·.

Yang sa-benar-nya, ke lemahan itu bukan di-sebabkan oleh guru sabaja, tetapi masharakat dan ibu-bapa ada-lah bertanggong-jawab.

1287 3 OCTOBER 1962 1288 Ini-lah sahaja bangkangan saya.

Dan saya menyeru kapada pehak pencha dang supaya memikirkan dengan teliti dan saksama berkenaan dengan sistem pelajaran yang ada berjalan sekarang ini, ia-itu sistem pelajaran yang baik dan yang dapat di-terima oleh seluroh ra'ayat.
Enche' Mohamed bin Ujang (Jelebo Jempol): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berpendapat ia-itu tatkala menimbang kan sa-suatu dasar pelajaran bagi negeri ini yang pertama kita hendak lah mengambil satu fikiran, ia-itu tiap: kanak2 dalam negeri ini mesti-Iah ada pelajaran.

Yang kedua tiap2 dasar itu hendak-lah di-tujukan.

dan menimbang kan kapada umor kanak2 itu.


Menurut dasar yang ada sekarang ini kanak2 mula masok sekolah berumor enam tahun, dan di-dalam primary mesti belajar sa-lama enam tahun, dan me reka ini hendak-lah di-naikkan tiap2 tahun.

sa-kira-nya di-adakan pepereksaan dalam darjah primary ini maka ta' dapat tiada ada di-antara murid2 itu tidak dapat naik darjah.

Kalau sa-kira-nya di-naikkan, pepe reksaan yang di-chadangkan itu tidak ada berma'ana.
Mithal-nya, kalau sa orang murid itu dua tiga kali tertahan maka apa-kah yang akan jadi kapada murid itu kelak.

Umor mereka itu akan lebeh dan tidak dapat meneruskan pelajaran-nya lagi.

Jadi, Mengikut pengalaman saya sendiri s~a dapati murid yang tidak lulus dalam pepereksaan dalam darjah Enam itu, mereka itu di-benarkan dudok sa tahun lagi kalau umor-nya rendah.

Ini ada-lah satu peluang bagi murid itu belajar lebeh kuat supaya mereka dapat naik ka-perengkat menengah.
Jadi saya tidak dapat menerima chadangan ini, kerana chara itu akan menyekat murid naik darjah dan tidak sa-suai dengan umor-nya kelak.

tadi Sa-orang Ahli Yang Berhormat me ngatakan ia-itu ada beberapa sekolah murid2 itu di-naikkan terus dari darjah Satu hingga darjah Enam dengan tidak ada · pepereksaan terus.

Tetapi mengikut pengalaman saya, sekolah2 di-Negeri Sembilan ada pepe- reksaan dan keputusan pepereksaan itu di-beritahu kapada ibu-bapa-nya.
Jadi saya dapati oleh kerana ada pepe- reksaan, murid2 itu belajar lebeh kuat lagi dan akan mendapat nama yang baik · dan pujian daripada guru2-nya.

Saya fikir chara yang sa-umpama ini memang ada baik-nya.

Sa-perkara lagi tentang tudohan ter hadap guru2 sekolah yang kebanyakan nya tidak ada bertanggong-jawab.
Walau pun saya tidak ada membawa pesan daripada pehak guru2, tetapi tudohan yang sa-umpama itu tidak berapa baik, kerana saya tahu guru2 itu ada bertanggong-jawab kapada anak2 kita, ra'ayat dan negeri ini.

Saya harap tudohan yang sa-umpama itu sa-belum di-keluarkan hendak-lah di fikirkan lebeh dahulu.

Pehak penchadang mengatakan yang dia dapat laporan atau keterangan tentang kelemahan di-sekolah2 itu ke rana dia menjadi sa-orang daripada ahli Lembaga Pengurus.
Saya tidak-lah hendak berkata panjang dalam soa:l ini, tetapi saya dukachita menyatakan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kerana ada ahli Lembaga Pengurus sekolah dalam ne· geri ini, kadang2 menchuba memberi nasihat atau menchampori pekerjaan ~ang dia sendiri tidak tahu: Saya dapati ada di-antara-nya chuba hendak me ngajar atau memandu guru2 itu menga jar.
Saya rasa perkara yang sa-umpama ini memang tidak baik dan tidak patut di-buat oleh mereka itu, kerana me ngajar ini ada-lah satu pekerjaan yang khas kapada guru2 sahaja, dan ahli tidak ada Lembaga Pengurus kelayakan untok mengetahui ada-kah chara mengajar di-sekolah itu betul atau tidak di-jalankan oleh guru2 itu.

Pada pendapat saya, Tuan Yang di Pertua, chadangan yang di~kemukakan oleh pehak pembangkang tidak ini patut di;.terima oleh Dewan ini.
itu Enche' Lim Kean Siew (Dato Kramat): Mr Speaker, Sir, I risi; to move an amendment to the motion by the deletion of the words "abolition and replacement by a beiter system of promotion" and to substitute therefor the phrase "improvem\!nt or replace ment".
The amended motion will then read as follows : That this House resolves that the present system of automatic promo!k>n o~ st~d~nts in schools should be re-examined wtth a view to its improvement or replacement, 1289 3 OCTOBER 1962 1290 Mr Speaker, Sir, I ask for this amend ment, because there is no doubt that the introduction of this system is in a way an experiment-unfortunately, at the cost of some of our students.
We feel that this present automatic system of promotion ought to be re-examined and, if possible, improved; and if it cannot be improved, it must be replaced by another system.

Sir, I have wilh some patience sat and listened to some of the speeches given in this House this morning.

Unfortunately, I have noticed that although many words have been used very facts have been produced, which has inclined me to believe that he who makes the most noise has the least material.
little Mr Speaker, Sir, I realise that at the moment the question of education and automatic promotion is very much a matter of opinion of educationalists throughout the world.

It is realised that this is a specialist subject, but in Malaya there is another added diffi culty, and this difficulty must not be ignored or minimised.
The difficulty here is the fact that we are trying to introduce Bahasa Kebangsaan, which is a foreign language to many of our students, and this language is going to be used side by side with English as a medium of instruction, which is also another foreign language.

Now, Sir, there are many schools, even so-called schools for the Malays, where English is still the medium of :instruction.

Therefore, a Malay student has to sit for an examination in a foreign language, or a language that is not his own.
In some schools Malay is now a necessary subject and in some primary schools it is in certain cases a medium of instruction.

To the non Malay students this is not his mother .tongue.

These students have to be examined in these languages.
In such instances, if a boy or girl has, after six -years, to sit for an examination for the first time in his life in another language, it is possible that he might get what 1s known as "examination jitters"; he might be frightened to have to answer in Malay or English which may be to bim a foreign language; and since this 1.s the first time he has to sit for an .examination, and since this examina- tion is going to decide his future-that is to say, either he leaves school or goes to a secondary school-it is quite the boy might be possible frightened.
that of Education-these Now, that figures which have just been given to me by a member of the are Ministry approximate figures--come to this: in 1961 about 60,000 students sat for the Malayan Secondary Schools Examina tion; and out of approximately 60,000 students who sat for it approximately only 30 per cent passed-about 20,000- and the other 40,000 had to leave school at the end of six years.
Sir, out of a possible 40,000 there must be a high proportion of students who have, because they have to sit for an examina tion for to use an idiomatic expression, "flunked it".

We believe that the first six years of educa tion for a student is most important.
Here, we wish to emphasise straight away that we believe that every student in Malaya should have at least six years education-because of this we accept the fact that there must be automatic promotion during the six years of a boy's education in this country.
the first time, However, Sir, there is something else, and it is this: if we have no examina tion at all, or no tests at all, during the six years, it is possible that we would not know how the boys are improving and whether some of the boys have the ability to absorb education as they are being promoted.
I remember that, when I was a school-boy, I used to play marbles-the examination period was the marble season-and I still remember that I played marbles until time came for the test; I went to the class and sat for my examination and came out again to continue my game of marbles .

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Mr Speaker: I hope you are not playing marbles now I (Laughter).

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: And I remem ber that I did not do very well.
So, I learnt a lesson very early in life which is this-unless somebody compels you to do something, you are bound to play the fool.

Soon afterwards I stopped playing marbles and concentrated on my examinations.

If we do not have a 1291 3 OCTOBER 1962 1292 national test at the end of every year, it is quite possible that none of the students may study; and it may be possible the students do not have to sit for a national examination, would not concentrate on teaching the students properly.
teachers, because that Sir, if I remember correctly, under the percentage of the old system, passes of every class was sent to the headmaster, who then took it into consideration in assessing the work of the master in charge of the class.

If the percentage of failures is high, the headmaster sent for the teacher con cerned to inquire why the percentage of failures was so high.
Therefore, the class test at the end of every year is essential in order to keep the teachers on their toes and in order to make certain that students do try to study.

Study is an active process; it is not a passive process.

When a person knows that he does not have to take a test, he may just sit down and try passively to absorb his education-and passive ness is certainly not as good as active learning.
Sir, the other p<>int about the annual class test is this : since boys pr~ss and absorb at different speeds, it is quite possible that· at the end of the year, if we have a class test, we would be able to diferentiate between boys who are learning and keeping pace with the class and boys who are falling behind; we may also find out the inclination of a boy, that is whether he is good in mathematics, or he is good literatura; and further by means of the yearly test, we may find out what boys need special tuition and in what subjects.· Under the auto01atic promotion system without the yearly test, a boy who is weak continues to be weak, and when he gets to the ·next higher class he finds .
that he is unable to cope with th~ tuition and therefore falls behind.

in · · Again, Sir, I remember that in my school days certain parents gave their children private tuition at home depen ding upon the results the boys got in school.

Certain boys got , additional tuition in literature and certain boys got tuition in mathematics.

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under promotion the automatic present is no proper national system, there test.

This is a failure of our educational system.


And I ·know of some Mem bers on the opposite side of the House who have sent their children abroad to complete their education, because they are unable their education in Malaya.

to complete Therefore.

Mr Speaker, Sir, we feel that the present· system must be re· examined with a view to improvement or replacement of the present automatic promotion system as it exists today.
At the end ·of every year there should be a national class test set by the school for all students, in order to find out which of the boys are backward and in what subjects; it will also find the· aptitude of every boy.

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annual test will also enable the school to give extra tuition in school on the subjects in which the students are weak: for example, it sometimes happens that a teacher of a subject may be so inadequate that the whole of his class may· be weak in that subject, and when· the students go to the next class and meet a new teacher in that subject that teacher may not realise until some time has lapsed that they are weak in his subject, but if we have a test at the end of every year, it at once becomes apparent from the test results what extra tuition should be given to those students and the teachers would not then dare to play the fool.
Mr Speaker, Sir, we that automatic promotion must at the same time be coupled with tests, in order to educate the students in the subjects in which they are weak, and in doing so it would give them .a better chance when they come to the entrance examination at the end of the sixth year when they have to move to secondary schools.

And Mr Speaker, Sir.


the figures which I have given just now is emphasised again in the figures given for example; in 1961 in the Lower School figures Certificate Examination given are that 34,049 students entered the and only 9,379 students passed; again.

the figures for the Federation of Malaya School Certificate Examination that l,l26 students only sat for it; and in .
the written examination replies : feel are the 1293 3 OCTOBER 1962 1294 finally also for 1961 only 3,797 sat for the Senior Cambridge Examination and only 1,423 passed.

Mr Speaker, Sir, in view of the lowering percentages of passes, I think that it is only fair that we should review this automatic promotion system and we should set up a proper committee to go into this matter again.

Enche' K. Karam Singh (Damansara): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to second the amendment.
The Minister of Education (Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, usul yang ada di ia-lah pindaan ini hadapan Dewan kapada usul yang asal yang berbunyi: bahawa sistem automatic itu hendak lah di-kaji sa-mula dan dengan tujuan membaiki atau pun menggantikan dengan satu sistem yang baharu ..... Mr Speaker: Bukan sistem yang baharu ...... improvement or replace- ment.

Enche' Abdul Rahman: Di-ganti dengan tujuan yang lebeh baik, atau di-ganti ·dengan satu peratoran yang lebeh baik.
Mr Speaker: Di .. ganti sahaja.

All those words are deleted and in substi tution the words "improvement or replacement".

That is correct?

therefore insert Enche' Lim Kean Siew: That is correct, Sir.

I am not interested whether the system will be better or not (Laughter).

Enche' Abdul Rahman: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, walau apa pun bunyi usul itu, tetapi tujuan-nya ada-lah sama ia itu di-tujukan kapada system automatic promotion.
Saya suka-lah hendak menjelaskan bahawa system automatic promotion itu ia-lah satu sistem yang baharu yang telah di-terima oleh Majlis ini pada masa membentangkan Penyata Menyemak Dasar · Pelajaran tahun 1960 kerana di·dalam dalam penyata telah menjelaskan bahawa system automatic yang di chadangkan atau pun yang telah ber jalan semenjak Penyata Tahun 1956 itu hendak-lah di-teruskan.

itu kita yang itu, kita di-Pertua, Tuan Yang tatkala .
Jawatan-Kuasa mengkaji dasat pela tahun 1956 yang dHalankan jaran dalam telah tahun 1960 fikiran daripada berbagai2 meminta bersangkut-paut ada badan dengan hal pelajaran negeri ini, dan kebanyakan daripada badan2 itu yang terdiri daripada orang2 professional ia-itu orang2 yang mengerti dalam selok belok pelajaran bersetuju automatic promotion di-teruskan hendak-lah tnenimbang pada beberapa perkara.

Satu daripada-nya ia-lah dasar hendak memberi pelajaran perchuma sa-lama 6 tahun.
Sa-lain daripada itu salah sa-orang daripada Ahli Yang Berhormat yang berchakap tadi mengatakan bahaw.a system automatic promotion ini ada-lah satu perkara yang di-import-di-bawa masok dari luar.

Saya suka-lah hendak menjelaskan bahawa system automatic promotion ini telah di-akui oleh semua negeri2 dan telah pun di-iktiraf oleh pakar2 berkenaan dengan pendidekan sa-bagai satu system yang baik.
Jadi keraguan atas system ini yang telah di-nyatakan oleh ahli2 yang telah ber chakap dalam Dewan ini boleh-lah di-bagikan kapada beberapa sebab.

Yang pertama, dengan ada-nya system ini daya-usaha atau pun initia tive yang ada pada ·murid2 dan juga pada guru2 akan berkurangan, dan ini akan melemahkan semangat guru2 dan murid2 bekerja bersunggoh2.
Satu lagi alasan yang saya dengar tadi ia-lah masharakat kita belum-lah lagi boleh menerima satu system yang berkehendakkan perhatian yang sa penoh2-nya daripada ibu bapa yang bertanggong-jawab atas pelajaran anak2-nya pada masa mereka di-rumah.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, biar saya mengambil peluang ini bagi menerang kan dengan sa-dalam2-nya ia-itu dari pada segi dasar pelajaran kebangsaan mesti-lah kita bertanya apa-kah faedah nya yang kita harapkan di-dapati oleh sa-saorang murid daripada pelajaran rendah, dan juga pelajaran menengah.
Dasar utama pelajaran rendah ini ia-lah melengkapi · sa-orang murid dengan pengetahuan dasar-basic-permulaan supaya membolehkan muri.d2 itu me- 1295 3 OCTOBER 1962 1296 dan jika pelajaran pepereksaan mainkan peranan-nyadalammasharakat.
Sekolalt2 rendah di-harapkan supaya membuat persediaan bagi membentok peribadi murid2 waktu umor mereka maseh kechil lagi dan sa-masa fikiran mereka chergas dan sedia menerinla bentok keinginan untok mengetahui sa fikiran mereka tebal, suatu maseh maseh subor dan semangat mereka maseh tinggi.
Sa-suatu pendidekan yang hanya menumpukan perhatian terhadap chuba sa-suatu memechah2kan bukan menurut umor masing2 tetapi m:enurut kebolehan mereka sa-chara vocal dalam beberapa mata pepereksaan tahunan di-jalankan sa-mula, akan dengan sendiri-nya lari · dan melinchong daripada tujuan pelajaran, dan harus akan menjadikan pelajaran sa-umpama ini satu perkara yang artificial.
Jadi dengan sebab itu-lah pakar2 pendidekan berpendapat, bahawa dalam masa permulaan, murid2 itu menerima pelajaran-nya maka hendak-lah dia menerima pelajaran-nya mengikut taraf umor murid2 itu, dan sa-bagaimana yang saya katakan tadi bahawa system ini ada-lah satu system yang telah pun berjalan di-lain2 negeri dan di-dapati berjaya.

Maka dengan sebab itu-lah system ini telah kita bawa ka-mari dan menjadikan satu daripada system pela jaran kita.
Sunggoh pun system auto matic promotion ini di-jalankan, tetapi bukan-lah benna'ana bahawa sekolah2 tidak di-galak mengadakan ujian2 penggal dan juga ujian2 tahunan yang di-adakan oleh sekolah2 itu sendiri.
Dalam Penyata Menyemak Dasar telah di-tegaskan bahawa Pelajaran ujian2 penggal, ujian2 tahun hendak-lah di-jalankan oleh semua sekolah2 dan keputusan ujian penggal dan ujian tahun ini hendak-lah di-nyatakan, atau pun di-rekodkan dalam satu kad yang boleh di-tunjokkan oleh murid2 itu kapada ibu bapa atau penjaga-nya.

Pada masa di-adakan ujian penggal dan ujian tahun dalam sekolah masing2, keputusan ujian ini ada-lah di-sampai kan kapada guru2 besar yang akan menasihatkan guru2 yang di-bawah jagaan-nya.
Biasa-nya atas ujian2 ini-lah murid2 itu di-bahagi kapada kumpulan2, dan guru2 yang mengajar murid2 ini akan itu, daripada istimewa memberi perhatian yang kapada kumpulan2-nya dalam satu darjah yang kurang chergas otak-nya.
Bagitu juga-lah .sa-terus-nya kalau di dapati sa-saorang murid itu lemah di dalam satu mata pelajaran sa-bagai mana yang di~sebutkan oleh sa-tengah Ahli Yang Berhormat tadi, maka guru yang mengajar mata pelajaran itu dapat-lah berpandu kapada rekod yang di-nyatakan dalam ujian Penggal dan Tahunan itu.
Sa-lain kemajuan murid2 ini · daripada darjah Satu sa hingga darjah Enam yang di-chatitkan dalam rekod itu pada masa di-adakan ujian2 dalam sekolah, ada-lah juga menjadi satu daripada perkara yang di timbangkan pada masa kanak2 itu masok di-dalam pepereksaan masok ka-sekolah menengah.
Berma'ana jika itu di-dalam pe sa-saorang kanak2 pereksaan masok ka-sekolah menengah yang di-dapati tidak bagitu baik dan tidak mendapat pangkat yang mem· bolehkan ka-sekolah dia masok menengah, tetapi jika di-dapati bahawa kemajuan-nya sa-lama 6 tahun yang lepas itu baik, dia akan di-timbangkan supaya ka-sekolah menengah.

Jadi perhetongan di-dalam hal kemajuan murid pada masa dia di darjah2 rendah ini juga mendapat per hatian pada masa menimbangkan naik ka-sekolah2 menengah.
boleh masok Sa-lain daripada itu, ada lagi satu perkara yang di-sebutkan oleh sa-orang daripada Ahli Yang Berhormat ia-lah berkenaan dengan murid2 yang lambat ma ju · dalam pelajaran a tau pun late developers.

Saya suka hendak menjelas kan bahawa mana2 murid yang tidak betjaya dalam pepereksaan pilehan masok ka-sekolah menengah, dia boleh lah memasoki satu jenis sekolah lain yang di-namakan Post Primary School yang dalam bahasa Melayu-nya Sekolah Pelajaran Lanjutan.
Pada masa dia berada dalam tahun yang pertama di· Sekolah Pelajaran Lanjutan itu guru2- nya ada-lah sentiasa memerhatikan kemajuan murid2 itu.

Dan jika di-dapati ada murid2 yang masok dalam kum pulan saperti yang saya katakan tadi (late developers) yang pergi ka-Sekolah Pelajaran Lanjutan ini layak masok ka sekolah menengah yang lain ia-itu- 1297 3 OCTOBER 1962 1298 yang Sekolah Menengah Akedemik-dia akan di-benarkan berpindah daripada Sekolah Pelajaran Lanjutan pergi ka Sekolah Menengah Akedemik.
Dan sa lain daripada itu saya suka hendak menjelaskan bahawa sa-lain daripada usaha yang telah saya sebutkan, pada masa sekarang di-dalam Kementerian saya ada satu Jawatan-Kuasa yang mengandongi pegawai2 ber tanggong-jawab berkenaan dengan hal ini, yang sentiasa memerhatikan dan mengkaji bagaimana-kah chara2 sistem automatic promotion ini boleh dapat di-baiki dan di-sasuaikan dengan ke adaan masharakat yang ada dalam negeri kita ini.
Jadi masaalah-nya ia-lah bukan-nya sistem automatic promotion ini tetapi ia-lah chara2 perlaksanaan nya.

Dan saya mengaku bahawa dalam perlaksanaan pada masa sekarang maseh ada perkara2 yang kurang tetapi sa-bagaimana yang sempurna, telah saya katakan, ini ada-lah satu perkara yang baharu yang sentiasa mendapat perhatian daripada pegawai2 Kementerian saya.
Sa-bagaimana yang saya katakan tadi bahawa satu Jawatan Kuasa yang mengandongi pegawai2 dalam hal ini ada-lah sentiasa memer hatikan hal ini dan akan membaiki sistem ini dari satu masa ka-satu masa.

Salah satu daripada chadangan atau shor Yang Berhormat dari Bachok tadi ia-lah supaya keputusan pepereksaan tahunan yang di-jalankan di-sekolah2 di-masokkan dalam perhetongan, dan saya telah jelaskan tadi bahawa perkara itu telah di-jalankan pada masa sekarang.
Oleh yang demikian, pada pendapat tidak Kerajaan bahawa usul mustahak dan tidak kena pada tempat nya pada ketika ini.

Oleh itu, Kerajaan tidak dapat menerima, sama ada pin daan atau pun usul yang asal (Tepok).

ini Mr Speaker: If no other Honourable Member wishes to speak, I shall put the amendment first.
The question is that the the amendment made by for the deletion of the words "abolition and replacement by a better system of promotion" and the substitution there for of the words "improvement or replacement" may be agreed to.

Question put, amendment negatived.

Mr Speaker: Now we come back to the substantive motion.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, I won't take up much time of this House.
I have had the advantage of hearing the reply of the Minister of Education, but I think that there has been a slight misunderstanding of our proposal.

Our proposal is that these tests should be annual tests and the examination papers should be set by a national body.
We have maintained that a teacher may not be inclined to give a proper education to the students regarding his subjects unless and until he feels that the questions set for examination shall come from some body other than himself and outside the school.
I am not saying that all teachers are not conscientious, but there are some teachers who may not be conscientious and who may only teach a proportion of the subjects he is supposed to teach and he will, there fore, set the test papers only on the subjects he has taught.

the Minister Sir, at the moment the annual or periodic tests are not held on a national system : some schools may have followed the system of annual tests and some schools may not have followed it.
I agree with the Honour able Minister of Education that this automatic promotion system is a new system and that it has been accepted by the House.

It has also been often stressed by the Ministers that Malaya has a different context.

Also I cannot that all agree with educationalists have agreed on the system which has been set up in Malaya.

The majority of the educa tionalists have accepted some form of automatic promotion.
That is on a matter of general principle ; on the implementation itself of the general principle there have been many dis agreements.

Not all States in America, for example, have the system of automatic promotion; neither is it true in certain districts of France.

So when he says, "all", I do not know what he means.

If he says that they have accepted the principle, I also say that we also accept the principle of auto matic promotion, but we say that this must have a greater elaboration.
There 1299 3 OCTOBER 1962 1300 must also be automatic promotion on a system whereby all our students and all our teachers are kept on their toes with national periodic test papers being sent to the schools for the testing of the students.

I hope that the House Will consider this matter and will remember that it is our children who are going to be system-not ourselves.

affected by this Che' Khadijah binti Mohd.


Sidek (Dungnn): Tuan Yang di·Pertua, saya menyokong kuat kapada chadangan yang di-kemukakan ini, walau pun pehak Yang Berhormat Menteri dan Yang Berhormat2 yang lain dari pehak Perikatan menentang cbadangan ini.

Saya suka mengeluarkan buah2 fikiran saya dan menegaskan lagi hujah2 dari pehak penchadang ia-itu bahawa system automatic promotion ini atau naik darjah dengan sendiri-nya, ini ada-Iah melemahkan murid2, yang pertama.
Yang kedua, juga ini akan melemahkan atau mengurangkan initiative daripada pehak guru2 mengajar.

Tuan Yang di Pertua, sa-bagaimana kita ketahui hasil2 atau korban2 daripada sistem ini ada lah kebanyakan tertimpa kapada anak2 jati negeri ini ia-itu anak2 orang kita Melayu.
Kalau sa-kira-nya tadi pehak Yang Berhormat Menteri mengatakan sistem ini bagus dan negeri2 di-luar telah banyak menjalankan sistem ini maka kita di-sini menjalankan-nya pula, saya fildr, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bahawa ra'ayat satu2 negeri di-luar itu saya merasa n'lereka sudah tidak banyak yang buta huruf lagi tetapi di-dalam negeri ini kita boleh katakan beberapa ban yak daripada · ibu bapa lebeh2 lagi daripada orang2 kita Melayu yang maseh buta huruf belum mengetahuI lagi apa-kah kepeiltingan keperluan pelajaran bagi anak2·nya.
Saya merasa tentangan2 di-ata.s dukachita sa-kali ini datang-nya daripada chadangan saudara2 saya Yang Berhormat'.2 bangsa Melayu sedangkan tidak ada bangka~ ngan satu pun daripada saudara2 yang bukan Melayu di-dalam Dewan ini.

Dan dari pehak saudara yang bukan bangsa Melayu itu pula ya'ani dari pehak pembangkang menyokong chada· ngan ini yang kalau.
di-sokong ini ada· lah ·kettntongan-nya banyak pergi · kapada anak2 bangsa kepentingan, Melayu, anak2 daripada Yang Berhor mat2 Perikatan bangsa Melayu sa-belah sana (Ketawa).

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, walau pun Melayu tidak berbangkit tetapi ra'ayat negeri ini ada-lah yang terbawah yang maseh tertinggal di-belakang ada-lah umat Melayu yang empunya negeri ini, bukan orang2 Arab atau orang2 asing.

Tuan Syed Ja'afar bin Hasan Albar (Johor Tenggara): Saya minta dia tarek balek.
Mr Speaker: Saya hendak mengingat kan kapada puan, usul yang ada di hadapan Majlis ini ada-lah sangat jangan·lah bersharah terang.

Tolong atas perkara lain daripada yang ada di-hadapan kita ini.

Che' Khadijah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak bersharah, tetapi bila saya berchakap maka ada2 .

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Mr Speaker: Perchakapan Che' Puan itu jaga sadikit, jangan terkeluar dari pada usul ini.
Che' Khadijah: Saperti yang saya katakan tadi,Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di dalam sekolah2, murid2 itu jika tidak tiap2 di-adakan pemereksaan pada tahun untok menaikkan mereka ka suatu darjah maka anak2.itu akan tahu.

"bahawa · tahun hadapan saya akan naik juga, kalau tidak belajar pun ta' apa".

·Dari pehak guru2 juga berfikir bagitu walau pun lemah murid2-nya itu, murid2 itu keselurohan-nya akan naik juga.
Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau sa-kira-nya ada satu2 tindakan daripada Kerajaan yang menyatakan markah daripada, murid2 · dari satu2 kelas itu ada-lah di-jadikan sa-bagai markah bagi guru2 yang mengajar di darjah itu, erti-nya jika markah murid2 dalam satu darjah itu rendah, bef~rti ~uru2 yang mengajar di·dalam darjah 1tt1 tidak berusaha bersunggoh2 tentang pelajaran yang di-berikan kapada anak2 itu supaya n1urid2 itu menjadi pandai dan mendapat markah yang tinggi.
Jadi ini ada-lah bererti kelalaian daripada sa-saorang guru.

Jadi, kalau sa-kira-nya ada peratoran macham ini saya merasa saperti saya juga bekas sa-orang guru dan saya merasa · kalau ada mithal-nya 3 OCTOBER 1962 1302 1301 peratoran yang macham itu tentu guru2 itu akan berlumba2 dengan guru2 yang lain, bersunggoh2 mengajar pelajaran kapada murid2.

Jika markah-nya tinggi bererti markah guru itu tinggi dan dia akan berlumba2 dengan kawan2-nya daripada darjah2 yang lain.
tidak-lah Satu perkara lagi, Tuan Yang di Pertua, kadang2 guru ini mengajar di sa-suatu darjah lama itu kerana ada yang menunggu result-nya.

Apabila dia dapati dia lulus tidak lama dari itu dia di-kirim keluar negeri untok meneruskan pelajaran-nya maka bertukar-lah guru di-dalam darjah itu.

Jika di-tukarkan guru maka pelajaran anak itu pun sudah mulai lembab sebab sistem sa-saorang guru untok memasok kan pelajaran ka-kepala anak2 itu ada lah berlain2an.
Ada guru2 itu yang jiwa-nya tidak berapa kuat maka chara pengajaran-nya agak lembab.

Kalau guru-nya itu chergas pantas maka pengajaran yang chergas dan pantas itu di-masokkan ka-otak anak2 itu maka otak anak2 itu chergas dan pantas pula.

Sa-sudah itu.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

ada hujah2 daripada saudara2 saya Yang Berhormat sa-belah.
sana me ngatakan kalau-lah di-pakai sistem ini, kata-nya memaksa murid2 yang bodoh itll) tertinggal di-sasuatu darjah maka nanti terdapat-lah umor murid2 itu 15 tahun atau kurang daripada itu mithal nya 10 tahun, jadi berbeza sangat Umor yang tinggi itu nanti sudah jadi itu orang dewasa di-dalam darjah bersama2 dengan artak2 yang lain.

Tetapi ini saya merasa, Tuan Yang di· Pertua, chetek betul hujah yang di• bawa-nya ka-mari.

Kalau pun akan jadi tetapi tidak banyak hanya sa-<>rang dua barangkali.
Kita memikirkan kalau sa kira-nya anak ini di-ajar dengan sunggoh2 dan anak itu lemah kerana kelalaian dia, dia akan belajar ber sunggoh2 supaya lain kali dia tidak ini bukan akan bererti meninggalkan mUrid2 isu kerana dia lembab, tidak; Guna-nya, dia itu di-tinggalkan satu pelajaran kapada-nya, malu dengan rakan2-nya yang lain.

Kalau dapat dia akan melangkah b:-kelas lain sebab ada pula orang2 yang pandai kerana bersunggoh2 belajar dia boleh melang kah dari .
satu kelas terus melangkah supaya menjadi lagi.

J adi, tinggal ka-kelas yang Pertua.

lain, Tuan Yang di Mr Speaker: Order!

Order!

Masa sudah chukup.

The sitting is suspended till half-past four this afternoon.

Sitting suspended at 1.00 p.m.

Sitting resumed at 4.30 p.m. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) Che' Khadijah binti Mohd.
Sidek: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-bagai me nyambong uchapan saya tadi maka di-sini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya terus memberikan jawapan dan hujah daripada Yang Berhormat wakil dari Seberang Utara yang beliau mengata kan ia-itu ada-lah tanggong-jawab ibu bapa untok menjaga anak2-nya sa-masa anak2-nya itu berada di-rumah dan kalau mereka itu kekurangan pelajaran maka hendak-lah mengajarkan mereka dan kalau tidak boleh di-ajar hendak lah menyerahkan kapada orang lain untok mengajar-nya.
Memang pada theory-nya sangat bagus, Tua:n Yang di-Pertua, tetapi manakala tiba pada practical-nya sangat susah; lebeh2 lagi terhadap orang2 kita Melayu yang kebanyakan-nya terkena oleh kemala ngan kelemahan pelajaran itu.

Sangat heboh dalam surat khabar mengadakan satu Jawatan-Kuasa untok menyiasat itu.

Kelemahan2 kelemahan murid2 itu saya merasa ada-lah di-sebabkan ibu bapa mereka itu miskin yang dari pagi hingga ka-petang menchari ke hidupan mereka.
boleh-lah kita ibarat kan kalau memakai kain yang singkat bila menarek ka-atas tampak lutut dan bila menarek ka-bawah nampak perut.
itu anak2-nya Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau untok sudah-lah mengajar masa-nya tidak ada dan kita tilek pula dari segi 'ilmu pengetahuan terhadap ibu bapa anak2 itu lebeh2 lagi orang kita Melayu tidak mempunyai 'ilmu penge tahuan menulis dan membacha ke banyakan-nya, baharu-lah sekarang ini pehak Kerajaan mengada kan kelas2 dewasa untok membasmi buta huruf untok menugaskan ibu bapa itu memereksa kelemahan anak2-nya.
kechuali 1303 3 OCTOBER 1962 1304 Mana yang mahu belajar dapat-lah mereka kenal sadikit sa-banyak dan sa tengah daripada ibu bapa itu tidak dapat belajar kerana tidak ada masa.

Jadi, hujah2 yang di-berikan oleh Yang Berhormat dari Seberang Utara itu saya rasa sangat mudah sa-kali dan tidak termasok pada akal kita kerana orang2 kita kebanyakan-nya sangat miskin dan sangat kekurangan di-dalam serba serbi-nya.
Mengikut pendapat dari pada Yang Berhormat dari Perlis Utara beliau mengatakan sistem yang di-berikan pada masa ini ia-itu auto matic sistem ini ada-lah sasuai dan juga sasuai dengan kehendak orang ramai.

Di-sini kami dari wakil ra'ayat membawa chadangan ini dan menyo kong chadangan ini kerana orang2 ramai di-kawasan kami merasakan tidak sasuai dan kami tentang dan kami minta ubah kerana ini ada-lah membawa kelemahan kapada anak2 kita orang Melayu di-kampong2 di dalam Persekutuan Tanah Melayu ini.
Jadi, kalau-lah di-katakan kehendak orang tahu-lah kalau tidak kehendak orang ramai di-kawasan Ahli Yang Berhormat itu.

Tetapi bagi kawasan kami meminta ubah kapada sistem yang lebeh baik atau sistem yang boleh membawa keuntongan bagi anak2 Melayu negeri ini.

ramai itu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, wakil daripada Jelebu berkata konon-nya pehak pen chadang ada-lah menudoh bahawa itu tidak me kami menudoh guru2 nunaikan kewajipan-nya atau tidak bertanggong-jawab kapada murid2-nya.
Sa-benar-nya ada-lah tudohan salah, pehak penchadang tidak sa-kali2 menudoh guru2 itu, tetapi kami me nudoh system automatic itu-lah yang menyebabkan kelemahan murid dan kelemahan guru2 di-dalam tanggong jawab-nya mengajar murid2-nya, yang jadi bukan-lah itu, bersalah sistem kami menudoh guru2 itu.

Agak saya niat wakil daripada Jelebu itu me mesongkan itu ada-lah hendak memanching undi pada masa akan datang.
Tuan Yang di Pertua, saya menyatakan dengan tegas bahawa kami daripada pehak pencha dang kami tidak ada niat merendab2- kan atau mengatakan guru2-Iah yang bersalah dalam soal ini.
Ada salah tujuan penchadang kapada saya yang sa-orang daripada Ahli Yang Berhormat tadi mengatakan pehak pembangkang tahun 1961 Sekolah bahawa pada Rendah, murid2 sa-banyak 30,000 orang di-adakan · ujian masok ka Sekolah Menengah dan memang sa tahu akan di-naikkan itu hanya 30 ka-darjah menengah peratus sahaja dan menurut keterangan Yang Berhormat tadi yang lulus dalam ujian itu hanya sa-banyak 9,376 orang daripada murid yang 30,000 orang itu lebeh kurang sa-banyak tadi.
Jadi, 21,000 orang ada-lah · tidak terus me nyambong pelajaran-nya.

Dalam lebeh kurang 21,000 itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, itu ada-lah sa-bahagian besar ada-lah anak2 Melayu.

tertimpa Sekarang kita masok kapada Sekolah Lanjutan pula sudah pernah terjadi yang rumah mereka jauh dari itu sekolah itu biar pun perbelanjaan untok pergi itu $10 atau $20 ibu bapa itu tidak mampu dan terpaksa anak2 mereka itu di-berhentikan daripada belajar.
Ada saya membacha surat khabar sa-belah daerah Renggam lebeh kurang 90 orang murid yang boleh masok dan Sekolah Lanjutan itu di-Keluang, kerana itu terpaksa anak2 itu tidak dapat masok ka-sekolah itu dan ter berhenti-lah pelajaran anak2 itu bagitu sahaja.

Kalau kita pandang anak2 kita yang berkelulusan darjah 6 sekaraµg di-Sekolah Melayu membacha pun kurang lanchar, bagaimana anak2 itu boleh meminta kerja.
Ini-lah sebab-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pehak kami di sini mengemukakan chadangan ini supaya di-fikirkan dengan sa-dalam2- nya bagaimana perkara yang menimpa anak2 orang Melayu di-kampong2 itu dapat kita ringankan dan dapat kita pilehkan sa-mula supaya ne'mat itu betul2 dapat di-rasa oleh anak Melayu kita.
ka-Sekolah Lanjutan Sa-bagai kata Yang Berhormat Men teri Pelajaran tadi, dalam Kementerian Pelajaran ada satu Jawatan-Kuasa yang terdiri dari pegawai2 Kerajaan yang mengkaji dan memerhati serta menilek keadaan2 tentang dasar pela jaran pada hari ini.
Oleh sebab itu-lah kerana ada Jawatan-Kuasa ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalili minta kerana sudah nampak bahawa system yang 1305 3 OCTOBER 1962 1306 di-chuba2 sekarang ini sa-bagai kata Menteri tadi system ini kita chuba, kita lihat kemajuan-nya, kalau ta' ada kemajuan nanti akan di-ubah dan akan di-perbaiki lagi.
Sekarang nampak-nya kemajuan tidak ada, tetapi kemeru sutan, kekurangan yang sangat banyak, oleh kerana kemerusutan menimpa terlalu banyak pada ra'ayat terutama kapada orang2 Melayu di-kampong2, maka ka;mi meminta pada hari ini dengan membawa chadangan ini su paya di-terima oleh pehak Kerajaan.

Jadi bagaimana yang di-katakan oleh pehak Kerajaan tadi meminta supaya pehak penchadang usul ini menarek balek, kerana chadangan ini di-adakan sekarang.
Saya minta supaya Jawatan-Kuasa yang di-bentok oleh Kerajaan ini mengambil perhatian yang berat dan mengubah untok memperbaiki kema juan2 bagi anak2 kita dalam negeri ini.

Sa-takat ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mudah2an dapat di-fikirkan dan di terima chadangan daripada pehak kami.
The Assistant Minister of Educadon (Toan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan bin Haji Sakhawat Ali Khan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-hadapan kita ada satu usul dari pehak Persatuan Islam sa Tanah Melayu ia-itu satu usul yang di-kemukakan oleh Ahli Yang Ber hormat dari Bachok.

Dia menchadang kan: Bahawa Majlis ini mengambil ketetapan bahawa peratoran naik darjah dengan sendiri yang di-jalankan di-dalam sekolah2 pada masa ini hendak-lah di-kaji sa-mula dan di hapuskan suatu peratoran yang lebeh baik.
serta di-ganti dengan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya telah me ngikut hujah2 yang telah di-buat oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu, tetapi apa yang saya faham Ahli Yang Berhormat itu dalam uchapan-nya tidak membuat satu kata yang tegas supaya di-hapus kan automatic promotions, atau pun chara2 mengikut darjah dengan tidak payah melalui pepereksaan.

Pendek kata, hujah2 yang di-bawa-nya itu ada lah berlawanan dengan usul-nya ini.
Hujah-nya menyatakan bersetuju jika internal examination di-beri perhi tongan besar dalam masa menaikkan sa-orang murid ka-satu2 darjah.

Pendek kata Ahli Yang Berhormat itu nampak tidak meminta di-mansokhkan, nya tegas-nya pada memperbaiki tetapi chara2 internal examination dan assess ment atau pun perhitongan, dan memberi pertimbangan ini dalam me nentukan naik darjah dari tingkat satu hingga tingkat atas.
Perkara yang di-sebutkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu memang di-ada kan pada masa ini pada peringkat M.S.S.E.

atau pun untok meningkat tingkat satu.


Sa-lain daripada itu, saya dapati di-pandang lebeh baik pula di adakan pepereksaan di-hujong satu2 penggal, kerana hasil daripada satu2 pepereksaan itu akan memboleh dan menjadikan satu panduan kapada sa orang murid dan juga kapada guru2 mereka untok memperbaiki keadaan dan kebolehan, atau pun kelemahan sa-saorang murid pada masa dia dalam pelajaran dalam satu2 darjah.
Jika di tinggalkan hanya pada akhir tahun sahaja, keadaan dan kelemahan sa saorang murid itu sa-masa dia dalam darjah tidak dapat di-atasi.

Sa-lain daripada itu saperti yang di katakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat, hanya di-tumpukan kapada automatic promotions, mengikut usul yang ter tulis rendah itu, hanya di-sekolah Kerajaan .

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Enche' Zulkiftee bin Muhammad: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, untok pene rangan-itu ada-lah terjemahan sahaja dalam bahasa Melayu.
Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Yang ada ini, di-dalam bahasa Ing geris.

Mr Speaker: Order!

Order!

Dalam usul ini kalimah primary itu sudah di potong sa-benar-nya.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Bagaimana pun saya telah mengatakan tadi hujah2 yang di-buat oleh Ahli Yang Berhonnat itu ada-lah berlainan dari pada kandongan usul-nya, dan jika hanya sa-takat untok memperbaiki keadaan yang ada sekarang sahaja, ini benna'ana yang hujah beliau ini ber lawanan dengan usul-nya tadi untok menghapuskan.
Sa-bagaimana yang telah di-terangkan oleh Yang Berhonnat Menteri Pelajaran tadi ia-itu pada masa 1307 3 OCTOBER 1962 1308 sekarang ini chara2 mtnjalankan auto.. matic promotions ada-lah dalam per hatian Kementerian dan beberapa kerja2 telah pun di-jalankan untok memperbaiki, dan dengan lebeh-nya kerja2 yang ada sekarans ini, umpama nya dalam Kementerian yang ada sekarang ini telah.
di-tubobkan satu educational and vocational service di mana sa-orang pakar dari Canada telah membuat siasatan dan mengeshorkan chara untok memperbaiki bagi men ini.

jalankan automatic promotions chara mengadakan pepereksaan, me nyimpan kad2 dan juga rekocl bagi sa orang murid pada masa sa-saorang murid itu dalam pelajaran-nya pada m~sa akan datang.
Sa-lain daripada itu, ada juga satu bahagian Educational Testing and Measurement Unit yang kita adak:an untok bertugas inengadakan rekod ia itu rekod bagi keadaan dan kemajuan kanak2 dalam sekolah.

Dengan charil itu dapat-lah kita tahu bagaimana per jalanan yang ada sekarang ini dapat di-baiki.
Sa-lain daripada itu, ada ·di· adakan "in service courses" bagi auru2 sekolah kebangsaan khas-nya, dan salah satu isi kandongan course ini ada-lah untok menyampaikan chara2 perlak sanaan automatic promotion dan assess ment atau memperhetongkan kebolehan murid2• Nazir2 Sekolah juga sedang di-perbesarkan supaya.

sekolah2 dapat di-lawati dengan lagi.

Dengan chara ini saya perchaya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, keadaan dan ke lemahan yang di~dapati pada masa sekarang ini dapat di-baiki lagi.
Dengan apa yang telah saya terangkan itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berpendapat ia-itu usul ini tidak mustahak, dan saya bagi pehak Kerajaan menolak:-nya.

lebeh baik Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji Muda (Pasir Puteh): Tuan· Yang di Pertua, hujah yang di-kemukakan oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Muda Pe lajaran tadi .
bahawa dengan di-adakan beberapa perubahan dan penambahan tenaga dalam bahagian Nazir2 · Sekolah dan lain2 itu di-harapkan bahawa ke Iemahan pelajaran bagi pelajar2 dan murid2 itu akan dapat di-atasi pada masa yang akan datang.
Itu dengan sendiri-nya dapat kita perhatikan bahawa pehak Kementerian atau sa· Sa-perkara kurang2-nya pehak Yang Berhormat Menteri itu sendiri telah sedar bahawa memang keadaan murid atau pelajar sekarang ini lemah dalam pelajaran-nya, chuma tidak di-nyatakan dengan tegas dan terus terang sama ada kelemahan pelajaran murid2 itu di-sebabkan oleh automatic promotion atau sa-bagai-nya.
lagi, Tuan Yang di Pertua, saya suka menarek perhatian tentang uchapan yang di-berikan oleh Yang Berhormat dari Seberang Utara.

Dalam uchapan-nya yang panjang lebar beliau telah menyatakan bahawa oleh kerana dasar pelajaran di-zaman pen jajah itu tidak sasuai lagi maka ter paksa di-buat dasar baharu bagi meng gantikan-nya.

Akan tetapi kata beliau pengalaman2 dalam perlaksanaan dasar pelajaran baharu itu Kerajaan berpen dapat ada kelemahan.
dan kekurangan yang patut di-pinda untok di-sasuaikan dengan masa.

Maka Kerajaan telah melantek sa-buah jawatan-kuasa bagi mengkaji dasar pelajaran yang baharu itu, dan akhir-nya melahirkan satu penyata yang merupakan satu dasar pelajaran baharu dalam tahun 1961.

Kata' beliau · masa.

yang dua tahun itu belum ,chukup.dan tidak-lah dapat kita hendak mengkaji atau mengubah dasar pelajaran yang telah di~buat dalam masa yang sengkat itu.
Kata dia sa suatu perc:hubaan tidak-lah dapat di ambil satu langkah dalam tempoh yang bagitu sengkat dan tidak dapat di· ketahui bagaimana kekurangan atau kebaikan-nya dalam · masa perchubaan yang tidak ·sampai.

dua tahun.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, memandang kapada uchapan · yang di-beri oleh Yang Berhormat dari Seberang Utara, maka sa-olah2 beliau hendak menyama kan bahawa dasar2 pelajaran yang di bentok untok negeri ini sa-bagai dasar perchubaan.
Saya tid.ak da.pat menyata kan atau menyetujui kenyataan yang di-berikan oleh: Yang Berhormat itu, sebab apa-lah erti-nya satu perchubaan dalam masa yang bagitu panjang, dan tidak boleh kita sifatkan sa-suatu dasar pelajaran itu sa-bagai satu chara per chubaan.

Dan kalau itu hendak di namakan perchubaan, maka boleh-lah kita katakan bahawa murid yang telah kechiwa itu, akibat , daripada dasar pelajaran atau sa-bahagian daripada- 1300 3 OCTOBER 1962 1310 nya · i.,laB · kurban daripada per chubaail2.
Boleb-kah kita hendak: jadi kan murid itu benda yang hendak di-hadzamkan di-d:alam satu bilek ma'amal atau bilek perchubaan, dan boleh-kah kita hendak katakan Kemen terian ,itu · sarbagai satu.

~enxmterian Pe1ajal'Q1l.

· qh\lba2 dalam mentmtukan sar$Wltu <iasac yang mana.

sa-suai bagi ra'ayat dalam sa-buah negara yang baharu merdeka ini?

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Tuan , Yans di J»e!


'.fua, ~atft:-nya Kcra'jaan ~ak ntgU2 lagt bagi meminda dasar pela1aran yat1g ada sekarang' ini kalau Kerajaan telah yakin bahawa ·· petchubaan-nya .

itu menghasilkan keedaan.yang tidak baik.

Sa-kali itu menegaskan bahawa im Dlenipakan dasar perchu baan.

la.fi be}iau Tuan Yang di·Pertua; saya sangat 0uUthita kalau bonat bahawa Kemen ta!iatt.

Pclajarah ,menjadikan.

· dasar pela.juan itu sa-bagai · dasar perehubaan.


Saya rasa kekechiwaan murid yang berpuloh2 ribu pada tiap2 tahun itu pa.tut di-perhatikan dengan berat oleh peba1c.

Kemeoterian bahawa ini satu daripada basil percbt1baan oleh Kemen terian, dan 'sudah sampai masa-nya bahawa dasar itu, terutama · bahagian Yalli di-kemukakan.

oleh Yang Ber honnat dari .· Bachok: ia-itµ automatic promotion di-kaji sa-muJ,a dan di-ganti dengan suatu dasar yang baharu.
ini bererti Yang Berhormat dari Jelebu-Jempol men_gatakan bahawa kalau kita tidak terpaksa ambit dasar memakai dasar zaman penjajahan dahulu.

Tuan Yang di•Pertua, tidak lah bererti bahawa kalau dasar ini kita tidak terima.

maka alternative bagi kita mesti kembali kapada dasar pen jajahan.

Bukan itu sahaja dasar yang ada dalam duriia ini.

Tidak-lah ahlF pelajaran kita s~mpai bagitu sa-kali beku chara berfi.kir.
Sa-o1ah2 hanya ada dua dasar pelajaran dalam dunia ini, ia-itu sama ada mengikut dasar pela jaran yang di-pakai oleh Kerajaan Perik.at;µl sekarang, atau pun dasar pelajaran zaman penjajahan.

Kami di bermaksud sabelah supaya Kerajaan .

kembali kapada zaman penjajahan dan mengamalkan dasar pelajaran zaman penjajahan.
Chuma kita menghendaki supaya ke adaan yang di..pandang lemah saperti tidak-lah sini apa yang kita katakan itu di-kaji sa mula supaya dapat-lah di-Jahirkan satu kaedah yang Jebeh baik dru'.ipada apa yang ada sekarang ini.

dengan diri-nya Enche' Zulkiftee bin Muhammad: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, walau pun telah bersusah payah Yang Berhormat 'Menteri Pelajaran menerangkan hal ini, tetapi nampak-lah kapada saya bahawa beliau sendiri telah mengadakan ubat2 bagi penyakit yang ada di-dalam sistem automatic promotion.
Demikian juga Yang Berhormat Menteri Muda, chuba mengatakan saya berlaga dengan diri saya sendiri.

Yang sa-benar-nya beliau berlaga sendiri.

Cherita-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, semua ubat yang di-kemukakan oleh Menteri2 Yang Berhormat ia-itu mengadakan kU["Sus, pepereksaan dan menambah Nazir2 Sekolah dan sa ·bagai-nya ia-lah untok merawati pe nyakit yang ada dalam naik darjah dengan sendiri itu.

Yang aneh kapada saya, walau macham mana pun di ubat dan di-betulkan akhir-nya di naikkan juga.
Yang sa-benar-nya, kalau penrakit itu timbul kerana di-naikkan daqah-di-tempekkan2 sini akhir-nya di-naikkan juga darjah, jadi bererti kita mengubat orang sakit dan besok balek kita mengemukakan sebab2-1'ya yang menyebabkan dia saldt kelmarin untok kita tempekkan ka perengkat yang akan datang.
sana Saya telah katakan tadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan tujuan menghapus kan perinsip saya ini bukan-lah mengatakan supaya balek kapada cbara yang lama, tetapi kapada satu peratoran yang lebeh baik daripada yang berjalan sekarang ini.

Dan dalam Report yang saya bachakan tadi, dan telah di-ulang oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri bahawa budak2 itu kalau pun kita terangkan asas kemajuan atau ke mundoran mereka pada masa itu, maka asas itu ada-lah asas artificial.
Ma'ana nya, kalau nampak berbeza pun pada lahir-nya tetapi batin-nya tidak-lah berbeza.

Jadi, kita menaikkan bagitu sebab kita tahu perkara itu.

Saya pun me mandang, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, me naikkan budak yang tidak pandai itu lah artificial dan itu-lah tempat yang di-tuju yang mengakibatkan keban- 1311 3 OCTOBER 1962 1312 tutan waktu dia sampai di-tempat yang tidak boleh lagi balek ka-belakang.
Saya teringat, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bahawa di-dalam menghadapi masa alah ini hendak-lah ada liberal mind fikiran yang terbuka sedikit, jangan lah prejudice yang mempunyai pera sangka terhadap apa sahaja yang bukan automatic promotion.
~aya teringat, ada sa-orang adek saya; ini fact, saya sebutkan apabila dia tidak pass di darjah VIII-Form IV di-dalam Malay College, saya sebutkan ini supaya boleh di-refer orang-nya, maka guru besar nya mengatakan, "saya boleh naikkan darjah awak tetapi saya fikir awak elok-lah tunggu sa-tahun lagi di-sini".

Kemudian adek saya bertanya-lah kapada saya bagaimana tentang per kara ini.
Oleh kerana saya tidak ber setuju dengan automatic promotion, saya katakan kapada dia belajar-lah di-kelas VIII dahulu sa-tahun 1agi.

Akhir-nya, alham dulillah sampai-lah dia ka-darjah IX dengan mendapat grade satu dan sekarang belajar dengan baik-nya di-University di-tahun yang akhir.

Jadi, nampak-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perhatian dan kebolehan pelajaran dengan penangkapan fikiran sa-saorang itu kadang2 belum tiba masa bagi diri-nya.

Jadi, kalau kita nampak belum tiba masa-nya.


kita tolakkan juga dia kerana hendak membolehkan orang lain dudok di-tempat-nya.

Saya berharap supaya di-perhatikan oleh Kerajaan asas2 ini dan ini-lah sebab saya katakan prinsip yang keras, prinsip ini di-naikkan walau apa jadi pun.
Chuba, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, per hatikan umpama-nya di-dalam uchapan Menteri Yang Berhormat, kata-nya sekolah2 boleh mengadakan pepe reksaan internal dan di-dalam pepe reksaan internal itu juga di-katakan; saya ingat kalau kiraan pepereksaan itu tidak baik dia tidak di-naikkan dan ini tidak di-kira in view of menaikkan dia sudah prejudice · chara2 lagi.

J adi, melayani satu2 kes.

Saya rasa sa-telah peratoran ini tidak sesuai maka patut fah kita perbetulkan.
Oleh kerana Kerajaan ini pun nampak-nya tidak mendengar kata orang maka saya me ngemukakan perchakapan yang pan jang lebar dan saya berharap-lah supaya hal ini menjadi satn perkara yang telah di-sebutkan di-dalam Dewan ini dan mudah2an Dewan ini dapat memikirkan-nya dengan halus dan di timbangkan lagi dengan saksama.

Question put, and· negatived.


increasing restrictions on RESTRICTIONS ON TRAVEL BY PEOPLE FROM THE PROPOSED MALAYSIAN TERRITORIES INTO mE FEDERATION OF MALAYA Enche' K. Karam Singh (Daman sara): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move, That this House views with grave concern the travel by people from the proposed Malaysia territories .

into the Federation of Malaya.


Mr Speaker, Sir, I hope that you will not consider me out of point, when I begin my speech by referring to the Berlin Wall which divides East Germany from West Germany.

Every day we read in the headlines of the newspapers of the world, "So-and-So shot while crossing the Berlin Wall", "So-and-So caught while climbing· the Berlin Wall", and '-'So-and-So held after successfully crossing the Berlin Wall."
We hear time and again con demnations of the wicked people who put up the Berlin Wall.

Now, Mr Speaker, Sir.


let us shift our attention from faraway Berlin to the borders of our own country-not only the borders of our own country but beyond, because with the advent of Malaysia the boundaries of this country will no longer be the Johore Straits but will extend much farther; and in view of this what has recently happened has caused dismay among all people who have any faith in the intentions of the Government in power in the Federation today.
We find that the Federation Government has pub the Government Gazette lished dated 13th September, 1962, Legal Notification No.

237 which reads as follows: in "INTERNAL SECURITY ACT, 1960 In exercise of the powers conferred by sub section (1) of section 42 of the Internal Security Act, 1960, the Minister hereby makes the following order : 1.

This order may be cited as the Internal Security Institution Visits) Order, 1962.

2.
Except in accordance with written permission first obtained under sub-section (Educational 1313 3 OCTOBER 1962 1314 (1) of section 42 of the Act, the pupils, students, teachers and members of the schools and educational institutions of the State of Singapore specified in the Schedules hereto are hereby forbidden to enter into or travel within the Federation as a group, or as one of a group of five or more such persons, or for the purpose of effecting as one of a group of such persons some common object within the Federation."
Mr Speaker, Sir, we have been shocked very recently by the fact that 19 students of the Singapore Chinese Schools who were boating in the Straits of Joh ore have been detained by the Federation Marine Police.

This appears in the Straits Times of 24th September and the·· students concerned were charged in Court.

.
I will read the charge, Mr Speaker, Sir: them to enter forbidding "That at 7 p.m. yesterday near Pulau Merambong, Geylang Patah, being a group of more than five students from Singapore who failed to comply with a written order made by the Federation Minister of Internal Security the Federation without the written permission of the Commissioner cif Police or any police officer not below the rank of the Assistant Superintendent of Police and they thereby committed an offence punishable under the Internal Security Act."
Mr Speaker, Sir, within Singapore and Federation there has been intense interest aroused by this incident.

In fact, Legal Notification No.

237 would nt>t have gained such publicity except for .the fact that it was so quickly put into use whereby 19 students were arrested.

that Mr Speaker, Sir.


perhaps many people do not know about this, but the fact is that such a ban on students' travel has existed within the Federation of Malaya itself, and I will quote from the Straits Times of 15th September, in which the Deputy Secretary, Ministry of Internal Security, Enche' Samad Noor has given a statement, and I will quote: "He said (i.e.
Enche' Samad Noor) that in l957 the Federation Government introduced the Schools (Tours) Regulations, 1957, which required the Federation students and teachers in groups of five or more to obtain permits before travelling from State to State within the Federation or outside Malaya."

He gives a further statement: "We feel that since such a restriction has been imposed on our own students, it would not be unfair to do so in the case of Singapore students."

Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker.

Sir, regarding this point, that since there is already this measure • affecting our own students, it is not unfair to apply it to students who come from Singapore, I would like to give my reply to that, and that is this : it does not mean that because there is an undemocratic law which affects our own people-and it does not give us the excuse-that law can be turned against students from Singapore.
I would also add that a bad example, a bad instance, of an undemocratic law can never be taken as a good precedent, and the the Deputy Secretary of Ministry of Internal Security has not at all in his statement justified this measure, because it is not justified against students from Singapore and it is not even justified against students and teachers within the Federation of Malaya itself.

the public.

in Mr Speaker, Sir, perhaps very few people have gone through Legal Noti fication No.
237, but the Press has brought some of its implications to the notice of is most It surprising its choice of school students and teachers who are banned from travelling into the Federation of Malaya.

First of all, we find that this notification affects many girls' schools : for example, Cedar Girls' Secondary School, Crescent Girls' School, Raffles Girls' Secondary School, Tanjong Katong Girls' School and many other schools.
Secondly, it affects Mission Schools, Christian Institutions, which we know do not at all preach any subversive documents.

Thirdly, we find that even Government Schools are affected.

The Federation Government, since it has entered into very close relationship with the Singapore Govern ment and the Singapore Premier, Mr Lee Kuan Yew, surprises us by even placing a ban on Government Schools.
Further on, Mr Speaker, Sir, under Schedule III, Other Educational Institutions, Universities/Colleges/Post Secondary Institutions, what do we the find heading the list?
We find University of Singapore; then we find the Nanyang University, the Singapore Polytechnic, Teachers Training College, Singapore, Trinity Theological College, Southeast Asia Union College, Singapore 1315 3 OCTOBER 1962 1316 Institute of Commerce and Mercantile • Institution-even the Institute of Com merce which is supposed to deal in business is being banned.

Then under Vocational/Technical Institutions where.
perhaps, ideological considerations are very distant, we find Balestier Junior Trade School, Tanjong Katong Second ary School, Queenstown Secondary School, Geylang Craft Centre (Malay) the Government is even afraid of visits by the Geylang Craft Centre, a Malay school-Maris Stella Vocational School (English) and Singapore Girls Voca tional High School.
Then under Other Secondary Schools, we find Kallang Malay Secondary School (Malay), and Sang Nila · Utama Secondary School (Malay)-1 suppose this is one of the institutions which is trying to pr<>mote the national language and even that school does not find favour with the Government that sits opposite to us today.

Mr Speaker, Sir, this ban causes sur prise and anxiety among the people of this country and it also causes fear in the people of the proposed Malaysian territories.
We find that the Government with a Cabinet which has lawyers and doctors in it fears to let university into our country.

students come Perhaps, they will welcome people who have n(j brains.

who do not know how to read or write.

We ask : Why has this Government got this intense mental inferiority complex in respect Of educated students and educated people?

Why, we ask, does this Government choose to victimise people who are in the process of getting higher educational qualifications?
Are we to presume that the Government is so mentally bankrupt as to fear people with brains?

And are we ito presume that the few highly qualified people in the ·Alliance Cabinet find that their mental stamina is evaporating on seeing to our educated people country?
coming Mr Speaker, Sir, this is a very bad startJ for the proposed Malaysian State, and if this is how it.is going to start, I would say that the latter phases of Malaysia are going to be very dangerous a.mt very damaging to the students and teachers and people of the· territories concerned.
We have already a state m~nt from the Deputy Secretary to the Ministry, of Internal Security that siDce 1957 ithe movements ef students and teachers have been under strong Police restrictiOn.. That was what has hap pened in Malaya up to today~ and now laws are these same undemocratic directed against the students and teachers of Singapore.
Tom()rrow, if and when Sarawak, Brunei and Sabah come into the Malaysian State, we may find that these same - measures are directed against them-although we welcome their stuoents and teachers are not welcome into the!

Federation.

Not only that but this measure, as it applies today, also restricts travel even within the States of Malaya-tra.Vel from State to State by teachers and students is restricted.
What guarantee .have we that tomorrow dte Government wilt nOt telt the tea chers and students ot Singapore, Brunei.

Sarawak and Sabah, "You cannot travel within your own State without a Police permit in groups of five or more"?T We have no guarantee at all, and all tbe indications are that this measure will be enforced in those them as a State, States.

Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker.

Sir, ,this measure becomes more sinister, as we know that the people of Sarawak and Brunei especially do oot share the political ideals of the Federation Government, and aay stu dent or teacher coming from B[1.\nei, Sarawak or Singapore wiB be treated most shabbily as has been done in the case of the 19 students who were arrested.

\ Mr Speaker, Sir, I referred to the Berlin wall.

The Internal Security Act.


this Order made section 42. and pursuant to section 42 (1) together bas created a wall across the Causeway, and although it is an invisible wall it is no weaker than its Berlin counter-.

part.

It is most · patadoxical because you say to the people of Singapore: let us .

bring down "Let us unite; come, closer,.. barriers ; you say that in worda-but in deeds you put up stronger barriers.
You separate than they 'are already separated from us uow~ you cause them more sufferieg than that them more let us 1317 3 OCTOBER 1962 1318 already existing.

So, this· is a case of Government paying lip service on one hand and doing the very opposite of what it preaches on the other.

Mr ~lter, Sir, we find today that the Causeway, the air corridors and the sea passages are closed to travels by these students from Singapore.

So, we ask: Are these people revolutionaries?

Are they criminals?
Are they criminals?

Are they politi cians?

What are they?

Mr Speaker, Sir, they are nothing but students.

Those students who want to travel, who may consider tlri& land: their own land and who may want to see it, are being treated suspiciously and prevented from coming in.

·Mr Speaker, Sir, this desperation of the Federation Government indicates that it is not sU:rei of itself and that the path that it is travelling is not sup ported by the peoplCf of this country.
or the people of the countries which may unile with us in the future.

This action that the Federation Government has taken against these students makes it ithe Infant Terrible of the newly independent countries.

We are told that we are a new democracy, a young democracy, a rising democracy.

But, Sir, if we are young and.

can be so bad, and can do so inuch harm to students and teachers· within and with out the Federation, I dread to think how this young ~mocracy will grow up.
If in its childhood, it can be so un~ democratic and so dictatorial, how will this practice blossom when it grows?

This leaves a very sinister question mark for the future of this country.

Mr Speaker.

Sir, we have been told when we were very young that one of the best methods of education is travel.

I do ·not think that any one in the Cabinet will dare deny that travel is one of the best forms of education.

yet when students want travel, they are restricted.
They are not allowed to travel they are not allowed to expand their mental horizon, they are not allowed to learn about various p}a¢es and these countries by first·hand knowledge.

But.

the surprising thing is that this· cruel blow ~Orne$ from a cabinet which is topped by people who have had the freedom to go to the United Kingdom.

·peoples of the to to study and who.

to Singapore, perhaps, in the countries of their study, were not prevented from travelling.
Are we to understand that the demo cratic practices that they were allowed in England have been forgotten and left behind in England by them?

If they were to do justice to the educa tional institutions in England in which they studied, and in which many Mem bers of the Opposition studied.

they should allow democratic practices among the students and teachers here.
for Mr Speaker, Sir, it is very strange indeed th~t today, when I am standing in this House and condemning the restrictions on its Government teachers• and students' travel, the Head of the Government which has brought in ·this measure, the Prime Minister.

is himself travelling to many countries it is very strange indeed, Sir.

If the students of India and Pakistan were to know this and were to ask our Prime Minister about it, what reply has the Government to give?
Mr .got Speaker, Sir, let us now think that we can determine the future of this country for ages to come.

We cannot.

We can only do it within our life span perhaps, fifteen ten years, perhaps years, perhaps twenty years, perhaps more.

After that into whose hands is the Government and the country going to go?
Into the hands of the students of the Universities, people who arc educated, people who are being given qualifications to man the best and the highest _posts in this country, because these people are the educated people, the intellectual elite of this country.

They will not only be the biographers of tomorrow.

they will not only be the historians of tomorrow, but they will also be the history makers of tomorrow.
And I must warn the Cabinet and its leaders through history will pass through the bands of these same students whose freedom they are robbing today.

It is these same people who today are studying history and the other sciences, who will write the history of this country and they will perhaps write the obituary of the Government of today.

So, I ask the Government not to blacken its ~ord.

an.cl its role in history.

I will their passage that 1319 3 OCTOBER 1962 1320 the Government ask suppression.
to cease its that liberties of it Mr Speaker, Sir.

political expedience and politics are not learnt from books.

They · are learnt from life.
So what ever we do, we must understand fully the consequences of our actions, and the act of the Government in suppress ing the freedom of students, curtailing the freedom of the teachers, is giving them political education, is educating them, is indoctrinating them with the idea that the Government of the day is no is no friend of democracy, the respecter of the people-not only is not a respecter of the liberties of the people but it is also not even a respecter of the liberties of innocent students.
This, Sir, is the practical political education that the Government is giving to the students of our country-and that it has given and imparted to the students of Singapore by the arrest, the humi liating arrest, of the 19 students of Singapore while they are at sea.

These students are being charged in Court and, perhaps, convicted.
Such things will not be easily erased from the memories of the people concerned-the nineteen students concerned-but it will not also be erased from the memories this of each and every student in country.

Mr Speaker, Sir, we are a demo cracy.

We fight for liberty, we are for the free world-yes-but we do not trust anybody.

We do not trust the students, we do not trust the teachers.

Even teachers cannot travel; they are potential subversives.

That, Sir, is the attitude of the Government.


The future of Malaya is in the hands of the teachers.

They are the people who are going to mould the minds of the people who are going to be the citizens of tomorrow, and as they mould so will this country be.

A Cabinet and a few Members of Parliament are not going to determine the future of this country.

It is the teachers.

who six days a week teach and instruct the children of this country.

It is these people who are going the future of this country.
So, I would like to ask the Government whether its distrust of these teachers is justified.

Sir, are we to mould living in an honourable society where we are going to credit every man with honesty of intentions, or are we going to treat even highly qualified teachers as potential subversives and dangerous characters?

There can be no worse insult by the Federation Government to the largest body of educated people in our country than this very humiliating measure.
that from Mr Speaker, Sir, one very interesting point which crops up this motion is that many of these schools that are affected by this ban are girls' schools, and I am sure the Honourable Member for Dungun and the Honourable Member for Jitra Padang Terap and the Honourable Member for Pontian Selatan will be very greatly agitated by this fact.

If they are not agitated, then I must say that it is no credit.
It has surprised me, Sir, that up to today no voice has been raised by these lady champions against this undemocratic measure which has applied since 1957 against girl students and women teachers of our country.

innocent girls are not Even young allowed travel without a. police permit; even women teachers cannot travel without a police permit.

to Mr Speaker: Order, order.

I must warn you that you have been repeating too much.
Enche' K. Karam ~ingh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I am clarifying on the lady aspect of it.

(Laughter).

the ladies Mr Speaker: Please do not repeat!

I am Enche' K. Karam Singh: touching on the ladies' aspect of it, Sir.

(Laughter) I have found it necessary in this House to stand up on many occasions to champion the cause of women's rights, and I would not have done it had themselves, especially on the Government Bench, been more attentive to the problems of the ladies and girl students of this country.
I have found that they have neglected their duties.

I have had to stand up here because there must be someone to see that these humiliating restrictions are not imposed on the lady teachers and female students of our country.

I ask the Honourable Member from Jitra-Padang Terap, who the was the Chairman of lately 1321 3 OCTOBER 1962 1322 Women's Day Celebrations on August 26, whether she gives her support to me (Laughter) when I seek to lift these restrictions on girl students and women teachers.
We know that in that Com mittee which celebrated the Women's Day.

there was another great champion of the ladies of this country and she was Mrs Bhupalan.

Mrs Bhupalan has been fighting for equal pay for women and other such issues; she has fought for women's rights.
So, I would ask the Honourable Member for Jitra Padang Terap whether she stands in this House today for democracy for lady teachers and democracy and freedom of movement and freedom from Police interference for girl students of our country ..

I would welcome that support, and I am sure the female students and women· teachers of this country will hail her support, and I hope both the ladies outside and I will not be dis appointed.

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

Mr Speaker, Sir, there is another point which I would like to stress.

I have already said that we are treating students and teachers with suspicion, but I will now even go further and say that· we are teachers and treating students both within Malaya and in Singapore like criminals released on parole and like dangerous detainees released on conditions.

Are we fair to these people to treat them in this manner?
· Mr Speaker, Sir, that is all that I have to say in moving this motion, and I hope that all .Members will give this motion their impartial and unprejudiced views.

Thank fou.

Enche' Liu Yoong Peng (Rawang): Mr Speaker, Sir, I. beg to second the motion.

In seconding the motion, I wish to point out that if we study history, we will find that all Govern ments which respected their scholars were able to maintain their power.
for a long time with the help of the scholars and that those which sought to suppress scholars found that they could not last very long.

The finding of this is that a genuinely good Govern ment, instead of putting restrictions on scholars, teachers and students, would rather help them to develop in a more healthy manner so that they would become useful citizens of the country and would help in the development and prosperity of · the country.
These re strictions, which the Government have put on teachers the students and travelling within Malaya and from out of Malaya into Malaya, are bound to cause a chain of reaction among these teachers and students, so that even if they had been very willing to help the Government, they might think other wise.
This measure of the Government is creating a type of condition whereby more anti-social characters may come into being, and I think no wise Govern ment would like to see this state of affairs come about.

Mr Speaker, Sir.

as my Honourable friend from Damansara has pointed out, the future of Malaya is in the hands of the students of the moment.

They are the people who are going to write the history of our country.
Therefore, I certainly think it is very unwise for the Government to impose such re strictions whereby these scholars would have less chance of developing in a more healthy manner.

Tuan Haji Azahari bin Haji Ibrahim (Kubang Paso Barat): Tuan Yang di Pertua manakala saya membachakan usul yang di-kemukakan oleh Yang Ber hormat dari Damansara, pada mula2- nya saya memikirkan ia-itu Yang Ber hormat itu baharu sahaja bangun dari mimpi.
Sebab saya mengatakan bagitu kerana usul yang di-kemukakan-nya itu ada-lah di-tujukan kapada orang2 yang datang daripada daerah2 bakal Malay sia.

ka-Persekutuan yang mana ter daripada berbagai2 masok orang2 gulongan ia-itu yang datang sa-bagai pelawat ka-dalam negeri ini kerana hendak melihat keadaan2 dalam negeri ini.
Tetapi manakala saya dengar hujah2 yang di-kemukakan oleh pehak Yang Berhormat tadi, dia telah menuju kan sa-mata2 kapada murid2 sekolah dan juga kapada penuntut2 University sa-terus-nya kapada guru2.

Maka saya dapati ada-lah usul ini ada bertujuan di-belakang-nya ia-itu sa-mata2 hendak membela pehak atau gulongan yang saya sebllltkan tadi.

Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr Speaker, Sir, on a point of order.

Is that not imputing improper motive?

1323 3 OCTOBER 1962 1324 Mr Speaker: He is in order.
Plea8e proOeed.

Tan Haji.

Azahari: Tuan Yang di Pertua, jadi ini ada-lah sangat2 ber telagah dengan tujuan Kerajaan yang mana padai hari ini telah pun membela atau memberi sokongan kapada pehak2 pelawat daripada luar negeri terutama sa-kali daripada negeri2 atau daerah2 bakal Malaysia yang akan di-tubohkan itu.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa bagaimana yang telah kita tahu ia-itu Kerajaan pada masa ini tidak ada mempunyai sekatan2 terhadap per jalanan atau pun lawaitan2 mahu pun dari negeri ini atau dari luar negcri.

Bahkan Kerajaan telah mengadakan penmtokan2 yang khas untok memberi gafakan kapada pcndudok2 dalam negeri untok melawat ka-satu negeri ka-satu negeri yang lain di-bawah anjoran Infor mation Department atau pun Pejabat Penerangan.

Jadi.
Jadi.

pada hari ini jika kita katakan ada sekatan2 yang di berikan oleh pehak Kerajaan maka sekatan2 itu ada-lah di-tujukan kapada orangl yang datang dad luar negeri yang membawa niat jahat terutama sa kali daripada orang2 yang di-pengarohi oleh komunis atau pun pehak2 pro-com munist.

Ini-lah tujuan yang kita adakan sekatan2 sa-umpama itu.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sekatan itu bukan-lah satu sekaitan yang tepat, bahkan jika sa-kira-nya mereka suka hendak masok melawat ka-Persekutuan Tanah Melayu di-bolehk:an merek:a itu masok membuat lawatan-nya dengan · ada-rtya kebenaran daripada polis.

Jadi, itu sa-mata2 witok hendak memberi polis kapada pengetahuan supaya polis itu menjaga orang2 yang ada mempunyai niat yang burok masok ka-Persekutuan ini.

Kita tahu bahawa orang2 yang dudok dalam Persekutuan ini dudok di-dalam aman dati damai.
jika sa-kira-nya kita tidak adakan: apa2 sek:atae yang chuk:up bagaimana yang dapat di-jalankan oleh Undang2 Secur akan ity Act maka boleh jadi mengakibatkan perkara yang tidak baik akan berlaku.

pehak The Minitter of Transport (Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Tuan Yang .. di-Pertua, ini sa-bagai sa-orang Menteri, kalau Yang Berhormat .itu sa:..onng loyar maka saya berdiri saya pun Joyar juga.

Kalau Yang Ber hormat dari Damansara itu belajar di-England.

maka saya pun belajar di England juga (Tiepok).


Tetapi saya harap-lah sa-bagai sa-orang loyar dan sa-orang Ahli Yang Berhormat hendak menjadi champion itu dan menjadi champion ini tolong-lah ada sadikit had·nya.

Beliau juga mengatakan bahawa pehak: Menteri2 Perikatan ini, otak-nya sudah chair, otak-nya sudah hilang terbang.

Memang otak kami chair, kalau otak tidak chair bagaimana hendak berfikir.
Kami Menteri2 Per ikatan ini ada-lah di-tugaskan oleh ra'ayat2 yang telah melantek chalun2 kami daripada Party Perikatan yang telah membentok Kerajaan bukan sa haja sa-kali bahkan dua kali mula dari 1955 hi.ngga 1959 dan dari tabun 1959 hingga 1%4 dan tugas kami ia-lah untok menjaga keamanan di-dalam negeri ini.

Waiau pun dharurat telah tamat, tetapi subversive element atau anasir2 subversive sedang masok men jelema di-dalam negeri ini.
Yang Berhormat itu sa-orang yang berani boleh-kah menapikan ada-nya anasir2 subversive yang sedang menyeludup, anasir2 yang menghasut orang ramai dan anasir2 yang hendak merobohkan ketenteraman orang ramai dalam negeri ini.

Boleh-kah Yang Berhormat itu menapikan perkara2 ini, sa-kira-nya pehak Kerajaan tidak mengambil tin dakan untok menyekat sama sa-kali apa juga saloran apa akan jadi di negeri kita yang aman ini.
Mula2 dia buka cherita berkenaan dengan wall of Berlin (Tembok Berlin) di-bawa-nya pula · ka-Persekutuan ,Tanah Melayu ini.

Perkara2 • ini semua-nya sudah kcterlaluan, sudah melampau.

Orang ramai mahukan keamanan, orang·ramai mahukan kema'amoran, saya harap tolong-lah pehak2 yang hendak 1'er chakap itu fikir-lah dahulu apa2 yang hendak di-chakap-nya, kalau ia Ioyar, kami di-sini pun banyak 10yar.
Yang Berhormat itu membangkitkan bahawa Yang Teramat Mulia lreluar negeri, siapa pun ada keluar negeri bah kan Yang Berhormat itu sendiri ada keluar pergi ka-London sadikit hari dahulu, dia tidak di-sekat kerana dia benar2 hendak belajar.

Tetapi sekarang di-bachakan-nya .


Gazette, Sekolah 1325 3 OCTOBER 1962 1326 itu, Sekolah Laki2 ini, Perempuan tetapi ini-lah dia kalau lnaha tahu, kalau belum tahu saya hendak beritahu tektik2 daripada kominis, tektik2 sub versive elements (Ketawa) menyerap di-dalam sekolah2 yang pehak Kerajaan tahu dari satu masa ka-satu masa.

Mr Speaker: Order!

Order!

Perlahan sadikit!

lagi.


jauh Dato' Haji Sardon: Ini-lah saya mengatakan di-minta ia menapikan tidak ada-nya soal2 ini, kita kalau cherita Tembok bukan membawa Berlin bahkan sa-kali, kita sekarang ini hendak mengadakan ke amanan.

Saya harap tudohan yang mengatakan bahawa kami ini bankrupt, tidak bankrupt bahkan kami kami lebeh subor Ia menggunakan pujokan kapada pehak kaum ibu dan meminta wakil dari Jitra-Padang Terap tidak supaya menyokong-nya, payah-lah.
Kalau di-tanya orang ramai mereka itu sukakan keamanan bukan sahaja pehak penuntut2 bahkan guru2 juga.

Kami tahu apa2 tujuan yang kami buat itu.

Saya harap-lah Yang Ber hormat itu tidak menapikan ada-nya keadaan subversive element, ada-nya benda2 yang ada sekarang ini, pertama sa-kali apa hal yang ada di-Singapura kita tahu kalau tidak di-jaga akan merebak lagi daripada jauh pulau yang kechil itu.
lebeh itu Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Mr Speaker, Sir, it is really difficult to reply to the Honourable Member for Damansara, because his speech was so full of irrelevancy and anomalies and, as you say, repetitions.

If I were to reply.

in a court of law, Sir, I would just say, "There is no case to .reply."

Unfor tunately, this is not a court of law; this is a political forum and speeches made here are not only intended for con sumption by Members of this House for consumption outside.
but also Therefore, Sir, reluctantly I have to state my case on behalf of the Govern ment.

First, Sir, the motion put up by the Honourable Member is also full of inaccuracies.

The motion says "This House views with grave concern the increasing restrictions"-!

would like to stress the words "increasing restric tions" -"on travel by people from the proposed Malaysia territories into the Federation of Malaya."

Now, Sir, is this true?


Since this idea of Malaysia was mooted, there has been increased travel by people from the other Borneo territories and Singapore to the Federa tion.

There has not been an increase of restrictions but rather people are encouraged to come to the Federation.

In fact, the Government has been paying for people to come and visit the Federation.
So, it is not true to say that there is increasing restrictions on travel by people from the proposed Malaysia territories into the Federation.

Now, Sir, it is not true to say that from the Singapore coming into the Federation was imposed due to Malaysia--this is not true at all.

The Honourable Member himself admitted that such a regulation was in existence in 1957, and at idea of time Malaysia was not even thought of.

So, therefore, obviously this motion itself is full of inaccuracies.
restrictions on students that the Sir, it is clear, as has been stated in this House on many occasions, that we in the Federation of Malaya, because of the somewhat unsettled situation due to communist subversion, have to have the Internal Security Act, and that Act was debated fully in this House some years ago and, I think, Members of this House by a great majority accepted that it was desirable the Internal Security Act.

Therefore, Sir.
Therefore, Sir.

under that Internal Security Act, it is necessary for the Government to have to pass a number of regulations-and one of the regulations is to restrict the entry of students from outside Malaya in groups of more than five.

As I have said, Sir, this restriction is not new.

It was imposed in 1956. to .


have In 1955, when I was the Minister of Education, we knew very well that, because there was unrestricted entry of students from Singapore, there was con siderable subversion on our students here by Singapore students-and that act of subversion resulted in student trouble in 1957.

Therefore, in 1956 under the Emergency Regulations then, we had to pass an Order restricting the entry of students in groups of more than five from outside the Federation.
1327 3 OCTOBER 1962 1328 outside, students Also, Sir, as the Honourable Member himself has said, we had also.

t0 restrict the movements of students from State to State within the Federation itself.

All these actions were taken in order to protect the interests of the innocent students.
It is necessary as innocent students who have no love for com munism, who want to Jive their own way of life, who want to devote their time to study, in order that they can grow up and become useful citizens, must be protected from the other students whose sole aim is merely to subvert the students so that they <.

'.an follow their communist way of life.

We have clear evidence that this was done from from by Singapore in particular, in 1955 and 1956.
And even recently, Sir, events in Singapore have shown that communist subversion among the students is still practised on a considerable scale.

Therefore, it is necessary in the interest of that we should continue to exercise this power under the Internal Security Act to prohibit students from outside to come here in groups of more than five.

Here, Sir, we only prohibit students from coming in without permission.

There is no total ban.


Now, the Honourable Member says that there is a total ban, and that we are treating students as criminals : we are not.

We are only saying, "You cannot enter the Federa tion without permission", because we must prevent students whom we know have been engaging in communist activities from entering the Federation and subverting the innocent students here.
We are really protecting the innocent students from being subverted by the students who are engaged in communist activities in Singapore.

That is really the purpose of this regulation prohibiting students from coming into the Federation.

innocent students here Sir, it is necessary that we should listJ all the schools; mayi be included in the list are some very good schools, but we cannot discriminate in the Order against any particular school.
We have to the schools, University of Singapore, but it does not mean these schools are bad.

Some of them, I say, are good schools.

including list all that But because in the Order we cannot discriminate against any school, we have to list them-97 of them, all the schools in Singapore-under the Order.

We are only doing this because we want to stop bad students-students who arc communists, students who will harm our innocent students here in the Federation.
That is th~ real purpose of this Order and there is no other purpose.

The Honourable Member for Damansara has always been champion ing the cause of his so-called innocent students, but these are the people who are really propagating the communist ideology-and as you know.
to us here the communists are the enemies of the State-and in the interests of the people of this country, in the interests of the good people of this country, and in the interests of the peace and happiness of our people, we must take necessary action to prevent our innocent students, our from being teachers, subverted by people who have no other aim in life but to force other people to adopt their way of life, to adopt their ideology.
And, as I have said many a time in this House, so long as the Alliance Government is in power, we shall continue ito take action against the communists, because we consider the communists as enemies of the State and are not acting in the interests of our people.

In fact, they are acting against the happiness and the interests of our people and our country.
Therefore, Sir, I must say that the Government totally rejects this motion, and I hope this House will support the Govern ment and thait this motion must be rejected.

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innocent Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, I have listened to the speeches from the Ministerial Bench on this motion, and I must say that although the lionourable the Minister of Transport spoke with vehemence, a lot of his phrases were empty.

I know that he is a lawyer.


I do not deny that, but I am sure that he is better known as the than as an Minister of Transport advocate and solicitor of the Malayan Bench.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I happen to know that he has been round the world and that be has been to England.

But what 1329 3 OCTOBER 1962 1330 has that got to do with the question of the banning of students coming into the Federation of Malaya?

How relevant is it?
How relevant is it?

He has said that the Member for Damansara has been irrelevant, but this is a case of the pot .

calling the kettle black.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I am very glad to hear the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister again talking of peace loving people and the happiness of Malaya.

That is a phrase which sounds very nice.

But is it because the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister has run out of words that he keeps repeating himself?
He talked of "happiness" and "peace loving people"-I counted and found that he used those words five times each.

As regards the word "subversion", I have counted up to a dozen times this morning and I stopped counting.

then Mr Speaker, Sir, I am glad to hear that the Honourable Deputy Prime Minis.ter went back to the time when he was the Minister of Education in 1955.
If a person has to go so far back to history to prove the needs of his present action, I think, either history has not moved, or he himself has not progressed-in this instance I do not know which is true.

Sir, if I heard it correctly, this is a blanket ban on not less than 97 educational institutions in Singapore.

It has been said that the good schools have also been banned together with the bad schools, in order that the innocent students of the good schools may be protected.
Sir, I wonder the Honourable Deputy Prime how Minister can see the logic of that statement-I certainly cannot, because this is not a question of preventing students from visiting other schools in Singapore but of preventing students from coming into Malaya.

Sir, it has been alleged-here, again, by the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister-that this ban is necessary to prevent subversion.

If we look at the words of paragraph 2 of this Order, it reads: "2.
Except in accordance with written permission first obtained under sub-section (1) of section 42 of the Act, the pupils, the students, schools and educational institutions of the State of Singapore specified in the Schedules teachers and members of hereto are hereby forbidden to enter into or travel within the Federation as a group, or as one of a group of five or more persons, or for the purpose of effecting as one of a group of such persons some common object within the Federation."
the Minister of Clearly, Sir, the first point here is that not only are the students banned but the teachers also.

The last two speakers on the Ministerial Bench have dealt with students and, obviously, by default teachers should have been exempted.

But no!-even the University lecturers and professors have to apply for per mission from the Interior or of Internal Security.

That is the first point.


Secondly, r think this is a very peculiar supposition because the Order says that only students who come as a group, or as one of a group of five or more persons, are banned.

Does it mean to say that a group of five or more persons can spread subversion and that a group of less than five persons cannot do so?

Supposing three pupils or six pupils of three in each group were to come here, could they not do the very same thing?

So, where is the logic of this Order?


It has been stated that the Honourable Member for Damansara was illogical.

Well, in that case I think the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister is also illogical.

Mr Speaker, Sir, another point is that under the said Order, it is stated that the students of the schools specified in the Schedule are forbidden to enter into or travel within the Federation as a group, or as one of a group of five or more such persons.
The first part of this phrase means that no group of more than five or more can come into the Federation, even if they do not have a common object, because the second part of the Order.

goes on to say, "or for the purpose of effecting as one of a group of such persons some common object within the Federation."

Obviously, Sir, here the Order does not distinguish between.

a group of five persons who come here for no object at all and a group of persons who come here with one common object.
There fore, if five or more persons happen to travel in a bus, and they happen to conic from· the same school and they happen to come also from the same place, whether or not they have a 1331 3 OCTOBER 1962 1332 to common object, according this Order-I do not know how it is inter preted by the Minister concerned they are guilty of an offence.

Therefore, we get this peculiar result when a group of 19 students who went out boating happened to cross the "magic line" and thus moved into.
the terri torial waters of the Federation of Malaya: because they were in one group and in one boat, they were supposed to have moved in one group of more into Malaya five perhaps with one common object that was to sail, and by sailing they were guilty of an offence.

than Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Minister of Transport says that he is a lawyer and I would ask him to correct me if I or my logic is wrong.
I, myself, do not particularly consider one Order or one Act by itself as important-and I am sure that the Honourable Member for Damansara is not merely talking of one Order.

The · point is this : wherever there is a storm, the leaves must first begin to fly ; wherever there is going to be a flood, drops of water must fall from heaven ; and wherever there is an attempt to restrict movements and freedom, there will first be indications such as this Order.
Sir, we agree that the Order may not have been aimed at Malaysia, but we cannot alter the fact that this Order was published on the 13th September, 1962.

Why was it not published before the idea of Malaysia had coagulated?
Mr Speaker, Sir, the question before the House in this motion is not merely whether the Honourable Minister of Transport is more qualified in law than myself, or that I am a better debater than him ; neither is jt a question as to whether the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister speaks more eloquently than myself and has a greater history or longer history in this Parliament.

The question is whether this is the beginning of a restrictive practice in Malaya.

Of course.
Of course.

the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister knows more about sub version than I do, since he has all the Police files at his disposal ; and since I cannot read at all anything about communism.

I am quite ignorant on the subject.

I am.

therefore, quite willing to accept what he says-and that is that subversion can come by any method or by any means.

In this con nection, I have only to say this : if sub version can come by any means, it can come by means of a group of less than five persons.
Mr Speaker, Sir, it is ridiculous for us to keep harping upon the desire for peace and happiness.

We all want peace and happiness.

We cannot, there fore, by claiming that because the Government wants peace and happi ness, conclude that the Members of the Opposition do not want peace and happiness-just because we oppose the Government.

That is not correct.

We want peace and happiness, but we have different methods and we believe in different methods, whereby we can achieve peace and happiness.
Mr Speaker, Sir, we must not forget that the symbol for education is the Torch of Learning; we must not forget that the question of education also depends upon the breadth of the mind ; and the breadth of the mind must depend upon the breadth of vision which must depend upon the person's educational background.
In other words, one cannot say that a person, who is brought up in a monas tery, or in a pondok school, staying in a little place, and confined to reading the pages of a book, can be more educated and can apply himself better to learning than another person who has gone and examined and seen for himself the various structures of educa tion in the various countries of the world.
I have no doubt that since Members of the Ministerial Bench are so fond of travelling round the world that they must agree with me on this and admit that every time they come back they must have gained a bit from such experience.

If that is not true, then what the former Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives said-that he learnt a lot when he went to Japan-and what the Minister of the Interior said that he also learnt a lot when he returned from Australia-cannot be true.
And if this statement is not correct or true, then let us not waste money on educational travel.

1333 3 OCTOBER 1962 1334 Mr Speaker, Sir, whilst our students go abroad and are encouraged to travel, and are given all facilities to travel, here in Malaya the students are being restricted not only as regards travel within Malaya but also as regards travel into Malaya from Singapore.
Mr Speaker, Sir, the House may not know that when the Honourable Mem ber for Setapak went to Brunei-the last trip-he was only given a 48-hour visa and had to leave that country within 48 hours.

He is a Member of Parliament, and if he went there for political reasons, he is justified-yet he was restricted.

Again, Sir, if it is correct that the Order is to restrict the political activities of students, then the Order must say so.

The Order merely says that if a group of five or more persons .

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Mr Speaker: I think that is not relevant.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Yes, it is, Sir.

Mr Speaker: According to the motion here, it says "restrictions on travel by people from the proposed Malaysia territories", not people from Malaya to the proposed Malaysia territories.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: About the Honourable Member for Setapak, or about the present motion?

Mr Speaker: About the Member for Setapak.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Yes, that is right.


I was merely giving an illustra tion to show what all these things could amount to-a little bit of restric tion here and a little bit of restriction there.

Coming back to the motion itself, the Order states that five or more persons who travel without permission in the Federation, whether or not there is a common object, or where one of the persons in a group of five has a common object with the other people, may be guilty of an offence.
Now, Sir, if it is merely a question of allowing students to visit other students, accord ing to .the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister, then the students could be prohibited from meeting other students; or if it is a question of restriction on the political activities of the students, this could be put in the Order.

As it is, the Order is too wide and too vague.


And because it is so, we say that in principle it is an attack upon the democratic practice which we are anxious to establish in Malaya-that is what the Honourable Member for Damansara was trying to say.

He was not merely saying that this Act alone is the death knell of democracy, that this Act alone will kill democracy, but that this Order and the present prac tice may to a point where democratic freedom will be seriously curtailed.

Thank you.
Thank you.

lead Datin Fatimah binti Haji Hashim (Jitra-Padang Terap): Tuan' Yang di Pertua, pada mula2-nya saya tidak-lah berchadang hendak berchakap pada kali ini tetapi nampak-nya peluang telah di-buka dan ini-lah peluang yang saya tunggu2• Berchakap dalam per bahathan chadangan yang telah di kemukakan oleh Enche' K. Karam Singh sa-bagaimana .

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Mr Speaker: J angan sebutkan nama nya.

Datin Fatimah binti Haji Hashim: Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Daman sara.
Saya tidak-lah hendak membutir satu persatu atas uchapan•nya yang panjang lebar yang telah di-hemborkan tadi.

Tetapi sa-balek-nya saya akan mengulas atas uchapan-nya yang ada mengusek2 dan mengejek2 saya dengan hendak chuba melemahkan semangat kami kaum wanita, dengan mengambil peluang membabit2 saya sa-bagai Pengerusi Jawatan-Kuasa Perhimpunan Hari Wanita yang telah di-lancharkan baharu2 ini dengan mengugut saya supaya bangun menyokong dengan chadangan-nya itu.
Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I never frightened anyone.

Mr Speaker: You want to explain on a point of information or on a point of order?

Enche' K. Karam Singh: On a point of explanation, Sir.

if the Honourable Lady would allow me.

Mr Speaker: Yang Berhormat hendak beri dia jalan?

1335 3 OCTOBER 1962 1336 Datin Fatimah binti Haji Hashim: Tidak.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang sa benar saya dapati Yang Berhormat ini ada menaroh ingatan yang tidak baik terhadap perjuangan kami dan ter hadap Perhimpunan Hari Wanita.

Baharu2 ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, orang ramai mengetahui melalui mem bacha surat khabar bagaimana chem buru-nya Yang Berhormat itu terhadap perjuangan kami dan kejayaan Per himpunan Hari Wanita yang mana dia membuat keritik .

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Enche' K. Karam Singh: On a point of order.

I do not think that .

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Karam Singh: Order 36 (1 )-irrelevancy.

Mr Speaker: Saya chuma hendak mengingatkan, dia tidak ada menyebut berkenaan dengan bagaimana Che' Puan menjadi Yang di-Pertua Hari Wanita itu.

Jadi jangan-lah di-panjang kan hal itu.

Datin Fatimah binti Haji Hashim: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sedar, tetapi tadi dia telah pun membawa perkara itu jadi patut-lah saya pula memberi penerangan dalam Majlis ini supaya dia tidak terkeliru dan faham apa maksud kami .

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Mr Speaker: Order!

Order!

The time is up.

The meeting is adjourned to 10 o'clock tomorrow.

Adjourned at 6.30 o'clock p.m. 1337 3 OCTOBER 1962 1338 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE AND CO-OPERATIVES Acreage of Padi Planted and Annual Yield 1.

Enche' Abdul Samad bin Osman bertanya ka pada Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat2 Kerjasama berapa-kah luas sawah padi yang bertanam dalam Persekutuan Tanah Melayu dan berapa banyak pula basil padi tiap2 tahun sa-lama tiga tahun yang lalu.
Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat2 Kerjasama (Enche' Abdul Aziz): Luas tanah yang bertanam dan hasil-nya ia-lah saperti berikut: Musim 1959/60 Luas tanah yang Jumlah hasil bertanam (Gantang) .

.. 868,420 (a) Hujan 33,610 (b) Panas .. .

(c) Luar musim 11,640 Musim 1960/61 (a) Hujan (b) Panas (c) Luar musim Musim 1961/62 (a) Hujan (b) Panas (c) Luar musim 879,300 30,200 20,890 872,740 33,270 35,570 .

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337,726,000 7,187,000 ... 4,902,000 .

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363,594,000 7,136,000 9,250,000 339,854,000 6,089,000 13,403,000 MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND INDUSTRY Hire-Purchase the 2.

Enche' Lee Seek Fun asks Minister of Commerce and Industry whether steps will be taken.
by the Government to ensure that all Hire purchase Finance Companies abide by the rule that, when Hirers have paid one-half of the Hire-purchase price of the goods and if they have not put an end to the agreement even though they are not paying their monthly repayment instalments promptly, they can only repossess the goods provided an Order of the Court is obtained.

The Minister of Commerce and Industry (Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari): At present there is no law in the Federation regulating Hire-purchase.
The Ministry of Commerce and Indus try and the Attorney-General's Cham bers are at present examining a draft legislation on Hire-purchase and the point raised by the Hon'ble Mem ber will be taken into consideration when a Bill is drafted.

Trade Figures of certain Malayan exports 3.


Enche' Abdul Samad bin Osman bertanya kapada Menteri Perdagangan dan Perusahaan berapa-kah harga dan banyak-nya basil Tanah Melayu yang tersebut di-bawah ini yang di-hantar ka-luar negeri pada tiap2 tahun sa lama tiga tahun yang lalu : (a) Getah; (b) Kelapa kering; (c) Minyak kelapa; (d) Minyak kelapa sawet; (e) Nenas dalam tin; (f) Sagu; (g) Tepong ubi; (h) Kayu balak.

Enche' Mohd.
Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari: Harga tahunan dan banyak-nya barang2 Ta nah Melayu yang tersebut itu di-hantar ka-luar negeri tiap2 tahun sa-lama tiga tahun yang lalu ia-lah saperti berikut: Barang2 yang di-hantar ka-luar negeri 1959 Harga ($juta) ... 1,721.8 13.4 Banyak- nya (tan) 782,875 20,319 ...

I Ge tab Kelapa kering Minyak kelapa (yang baik dan kurang baik) Minyak kelapa sawet Nenas dalam tin Sagu Tepong ubi Kayu balak (sudah di gergaji) ... 29.8 51.7 21.6 .3 .
9 28,715 76,968 27,186 2,452 2,998 32.7 255,642 ... ... ... ... ... ... 1960 1961 Harga ($juta) 1,829.1 34.5 23.9 60.5 26.2 .3 4.0 55.2 Harga Banyak- nya (tan) 766,797 61,380 ($juta) ... 1,442.4 .

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.. 32,990 .

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.. 27.7 61.2 26.2 .4 5.0 41.5 354,859 Banyak- nya (tan) 790,562 42,280 42,116 93,427 33,766 2,629 21,315 312,126 1339 3 OCTOBER 1962 1340 MINISTRY OF EDUCATION Secondary School Examinations 4.
Enche' Zulkiftee bin Muhammad bertanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran berapa orang-kah yang telah masok pepereksaan masing2 (a) Sijil Pelajaran (b) Sijil Persekutuan dan Rendah, (c) Sijil Persekolahan Sa-berang Laut dalam tahun 1959, 1960 dan 1961, dan berapa orang-kah yang telah lulus bagi tiap2 tahun itu serta nyatakan tingkat2 kelulusan-nya.
Menteri Pelajaran (Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib): Bilangan chalun2 dalam tiap2 satu bahagian itu ia-lah saperti di-bawah ini: (a) Sijil Pelajaran Rendah- YangMasok Pereksa Bilangan Naik Darjah Bilangan yang Lulus 5,472 6,828 9,379 22,436 27,999 34,049 1959 1960 1961 -.

(b) Sijil Persekutuan Tanah Melayu 7,967 11,116 11,062 .. .. .. sahaja- YangMasok Gr.

I Pereksa .. 181 .. 1,380 1,126 .. - 9 113 61 125 35 Persekolahan 1959 1960 1961 (c) Sijil Gr.

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Ill 32 300 404 Jumlah (I-III) 41 474 564 .


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II sahaja- YangMasok Pereksa .. 6,144 .. 5,165 .. 3,797 391 361 147 1,080 908 546 1,488 1,089 730 1959 1960 1961 (d) Sijil Persekutuan Tanah Melayu bersama dengan Sijil Persekolahan Cambridge- Yang Masok Pereksa .. 4,820 .. 6,753 .. 8,967 Gr.

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III Jumlah (I-III) 1,144 3,927 5,038 477 1,601 1,919 223 858 1,076 444 1,468 2,043 1959 1960 1961 MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Federation Army for service in West Irian S. Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad bertanya kapada Menteri Luar Negeri ada-kah Kerajaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu pernah menerima permintaan untok mengirimkan tentera-nya ka-Irian Barat di-bawah panji2 Bangsa2 Bersatu da lam masa peralihan.

dan jika ada.

ada-kah Kerajaan akan menimbangkan permintaan itu.

Perd~ma Menteri: Tiada.


MINISTRY OF FINANCE "Mushroom" Insurance Companies 6.

· Enche' Chin See Yin asks the Minister of Finance whether he will consider setting up a commission to investigate and report on the circum stances relating to the establishment of "mushroom" insurance companies without compliance with the statutory requirements to carry on business to the detriment of the public.
The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan Siew Sin): The circumstances in which some 16 of the "mushroom" companies evaded the law are well known and hence a commission to investigate and report is not necessary.

These companies were only granted registration by the Registrar of Com panies because they did not disclose in their Memoranda of Association that they proposed to carry on life insurance.

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Enche' Chin See Yin asks the Cambndge Minister of Finance whether he will consider setting up a fund to make ~i'..'Jlif .

certain compensation to the claimants from "mushroom" insurance companies 2 959 2:358 which were allowed to carry on business without complying with statu 1,423 tory requirements to carry on business to the detriment of the public.

these companies Enche' Tan Siew Sin: It is not proposed to set up such a fund.
There is no more a case for the Government recompense people who were to defrauded by than there is for it to recompense people who are otherwise defrauded.

In any case some of the owners of policies with the ''mushroom" companies de serve little sympathy for they were simply gambling on human lives.

It is impossible to separate this group from other policy owners.

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Enche' Chin See Yin asks the Minister of Finance to state whether he will consider legislation to seques trate the moveable and immoveable 1341 3 OCTOBER 1962 1342 properties of the promoters, directors and others involved in the management of "mushroom" insurance companies.
Enche' Tan Siew Sin: The existing machinery provided by the Companies Ordinance is as adequate as any new and special legislation could be for the purposes of securing a return of such of the companies' funds as have been wrongly applied.

It is not desirable to go beyond this and interfere with the basic principle of limited liability by imposing a levy on the personal estates of shareholders of companies that have simply traded at a loss.
Some directors and officers of companies have already been examined under oath and litigation is pending.

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Encbe' Chin See Yin asks the Minister of Finance whether Govern ment will consider extending the dateline for the submission of claims against "mushroom" insurance com panies to 31st December, 1962, to enable claimants more time to submit their claims.
Enche' Tan Siew Sin: The Liqui dators are responsible to the Court for the proper conduct of their liquidations and the Court's supervision extends to such things as the closing date for claims.

Commencing on 18th August the public has been asked by prominent advertisements, by radio and the public address vans of the Department of Information to submit their claims.
It cannot be said that ample notice has not been given and there is no reason why the refunds to all claimants should be delayed by dilatory claimants.

MINISTRY OF HEALTH The Minister of Health (Dr Lim Swee Aun): The Government Dispen sary at Slini Village has a floor area of 600 sq.

ft. and is considered ade quate to cope with the present average attendance of 40 patients per session of an average of 3 hours held on 3 days a week.
The construction of a new building or the expansion of the existing service will be reviewed as and when necessary.

Family Planning 11.

Enche' Ahmad bin Arshatd ber tanya kapada Menteri Kesihatan : (a) ada berapa buah Pusat Peran chang Keluarga di-Persekutuan Tanah Melayu; (b) ada-kah telah menjadi satu da sar Kerajaan menjarangkan be ranak.

Dr ·Lim Swee Aun: (a) Ada lebeh.


kurang 50 buah Kelinik Peranchang Keluarga di-seluroh Persekutuan Tanah Melayu di-kelolakan oleh 11 buah Persatuan Peranchang Ke luarga Negeri yang bergabong dengan Majlis Persatuan Peran chang Keluarga Tanah Melayu.

(b) Oleh sebab perjalanan Persatuan Peranchang Keluarga ada-lah memuaskan maka dasar Kera jaan pada masa sekarang ia-lah terpulang kapada persatuan2 sukarela itu sendiri menjalankan kerja2-nya.
SUNGEI BULOH LEPER SETI'LEMENT Charge for Food Supplied Government Dispensary, Slim Village 10.

Enche' Lee Seek Fun asks the Minister of Health if he is aware that the Government Dispensary in Slim Village js housed in a rented building which appears to be too small for the purpose, and if so, to state whether the Government proposes to provide proper accommodation.

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the 12.

Enche' Ng Ann Teck asks Minister of Health whether he is aware that inmates of the Sungei Buloh Leper Settlement who are employed in the Settlement are being made to pay $30 per month as payment for food, and if so, the steps he is taking to help these people, in view of the fact that their monthly income is very low.
1343 3 OCTOBER 1962 1344 Dr Lim Swee Aun: The inmates of the Sungei Bulah Leper Settlement are encouraged to undertake occupational therapy as part of their treatment and rehabilitation.

As psychological incentive allowances are paid.

These allowances are calculated on a daily basis which range from $1 to $11.84.

It is possible for an inmate to receive an allowance of as much as $308 for a 26 day month.

a Land for Discharged Patients 13.


Enche' Ng Ann Teck asks the Minister of Health to state what plans has he taken to ensure that those in the Settlement would be given land so that on discharge they would at least have land to till.

Dr Lim Swee Aun: The Ministry of Health is responsible for the cure and rehabilitation of patients.

It is not within its purview to ensure employ ment for discharged patients.
It is understood that the question of providing land for discharged patients is under action by the Malayan Leprosy Relief Association.

Maternity Hospital in Jlnjang New Village 14.

Enche' Ng Ann Teck asks the Minister of Health if it is correct that there was a proposal to build a in Jinjang New maternity hospital Village some two or three years ago and if so, why was this proposal not included in the Second Five-Year Plan.
Dr Lim Swee Aun: There was no proposal to build a Maternity Hospital in Jinjang New Village by the Ministry of Health.

Jinjang New Village, however, is at present served by : (i) a static dispensary with a resident Hospital Assistant; (ii) a resident Assistant Nurse and a resident Midwife; and (iii) a Maternal and Child Health team under a Health Sister which visits the village every Wednes day.

MINISTRY OF THE INTERIOR Detention of Prisoners who have served their sentence 15.
Enche' K. Karam Singh asks the Minister of the Interior to state- ( a) the number of persons who have served their prison terms and are still kept in continued imprison ment; (b) where they are kept; (c) the name of each such prisoner with details of Law under which each was charged, the sentence a\Yarded and the time of com mencement and expiry of sen tence; (d) when these persons will, justice, in be accordance with released.
The Minister of the Interior (Tun Abdul Razak): (a) 119 persons who have completed their terms of imprisonment are now detained under the Banish ment Ordinance.

· (b) Seremban Prison.

(c) A list containing details of each person is available in the Ministry and can be made available for inspection by the Hon'ble Mem ber.

(d) These persons are detained under Orders of Banishment.

They will be repatriated as soon as shipping arrangements are finalised.

Three-digit Lotteries the 16.


Enche' Chin See Yin asks Minister of the Interior whether he is aware that collections from the three digit lottery tickets run by the turf clubs amount to thirty or forty thousand dollars on each race day in every town of the Federation, where agencies exist, and if so, whether he will consider setting up a commission to examine and report on the moral, social and economic repercussions of this lottery on the community, particularly in the kampongs and new villages.
Ton Abdul Razak: The only towns where sales exceeded an average of 1345 3 OCTOBER 1962 1346 $30,000 per race day during the month of August, 1962 were: lpoh, Kuala Lumpur and Seremban.

These can scarcely be considered "Kampongs and New Villages".
The Government has always maintained that the operations of illegal digit lotteries, which are known to be rampant, do produce moral, social and economic repercussions ; but that, on the other hand, the existence of legal three-digit lottery branches alleviates such repercussions, particularly morally and socially.

is occasioned by On the economic!


aspect, it is the that more good Government's view than harm the existence of the Totalisator Board's three-digit branches, which serve the purpose of channelling away from illegal operators bets which would otherwise have certainly been placed with them.

In the circumstances described above, it is not considered necessary to set up a commission to examine and report on the moral, social and economic reper cussions of this lottery.
MINISTRY OF INTERNAL SECURITY "Chee Fab" Lottery 17.

Enche' Chin See Yin asks the Minister of Internal Security whether he would consider introducing legisla tion to enable drastic action to be taken the suppression of "Chee Fah" for organisations which are the source of moral, social and economic ruin to the kamp0ng folks and the new villagers.
The Minister of Internal Security (Tun Abdul Razak): It is considered that, at this stage, no necessity arises the introducing legislation since for provision in the existing law is adequate for the purpose.

Fee for Pennit to bold Public Rally 18.

Che' Khadijah binti Mohd.


Sidek bertanya kapada Menteri Keselamatan Dalam Negeri benar-kah Kerajaan memungut bayaran $10 pada tiap2 kali di-adakan rapat umum oleh sa-sabuah parti siasah, dan sa-kira-nya benar demikian, (a) bila-kah undang2 sa-rupa itu di-kuat-kuasakan; (b) ada-kah undang2 itu di-kuat-kuasakan seluroh Persekutuan; dan (c) ada-kah undang2 itu di-lakukan kapada semua parti siasah.

Tun Abdul Razak: Mengikut Peren tah Bayaran Yuran Polis (Police Fees Order) 1962 [L.N.
672 tahun 1952] sa-bagaimana yang telah di-pinda oleh Perentah (Pindaan) Bayaran Yuran tahun 1955], Polis, 1955 [L.N.

173 tidak ada bayaran yang di-kenakan untok mengehiarkan lesen atau permit bagi mengadakan rapat umum yang bertujuan politik.

MINISTRY OF RURAL DEVELOPMENT FEDERAL LAND DEVELOPMENT Allotment of Land to Families 19.
Enche' Ng Ann Teck asks Minister of Rural Development state: the to (a) the total acreage of land deve loped under the Federal Land Development Authority accord ing to States up to January, 1962, (b) the total number of families land the given development schemes, land under (c) a breakdown, by race, of land the figures allotment as per supplied for (a), (d) the expenditure for each scheme the number of acres giving developed.
'The Depufy Prime Minister (Tun Abdul Razak): (a) 60,874 acres, (b) 3,631 families, (c) Number of Malayan Families Settled- ... Johore ... Malacca Negri Sembilan Selangor Perak Pahang Trengganu Kelantan Kedah ... ... .

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... 717 589 125 492 400 400 908 Total ... 3,631 1347 (d) No.

Scheme 1.

Kong Kong ... 2.

Sungai Tiram 3.

Kulai I 4.

Ayer Hitam 5.

Parit Haji Idris 6.

Bukit Serampang 7.

Endau 8.

Tenang 9.

Teck Wah Heng 10.

Lenga 11.

Jalan Muar Labis ... 12.


Tenang Station 13.

Medoi 14.

Kemendore ... 15.

Machap 16.

Solok Menggong 17.

Hutan Percha 18.

Bukit Rokan 19.

Sungei Lui ... 20.

Sendayan 21.

Labu 22.

Sungai Buaya 23.

Gedangsa 24.

Sungai Kiah 25.

Bersia 26.

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Bilut Valley 28.

Kampong Awah 29.

Sungai Kertam 30.

Sungai Tekam 31.

Chalok 32.

Ayer Lanas 33.

Batu Lapan 34.

Guar Napai 35.

Bukit Tembaga 36.


Sungai Tiang ljok ... 3 OCTOBER 1962 1348 State Johore " Malacca " " Negri Sembilan " Selangor " Perak " Pahang " Trengganu Ke Ian tan Kedah 00 just begun.
Expenditure Acreage Under Development $1,633,418.96 3,265 139,930.01 550 870,597.60 2,460 487,244.54 2,288 85,478.30 253 404,863.48 2,200 1,212,588.67 1,860 2,192 465,860.65 1 400} No actual ex- 1'211 penditure as at that date ' groundwork l,4 1,235 on the Schemes Total ... 60,874 $20,194,031.64 MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT Malay Bus Compaoy-Telok Anson to Tapah Road 20.
Tuan Haji Haun Adli bin Haji Arsbad bertanya kapada Menteri Pengangkutan ada-kah kebenaran yang telah di-beri kapada Sharikat Bas Melayu yang menjalankan perkhid matan daripada Telok Anson ka-Tapah Road melalui jalan Sungai Manek Labu Kubong di-Perak itu hanya untok menjalankan perkhidmatan-nya dari pada Telok Anson sa-hingga Kampong Tapah Kechil di-sa-belah landasan keretapi Tapah Road itu.

sahaja atau .

pun sa-hingga ka-pekan Tapah Road.


Menteri Pengangkutan ,(Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haii Jubir): Sharikat Bas Melayu menjalankan perkhidmatan bas berhenti2 di-antara Telok Anson dengan Lintasan Jalan Keretapi khas untok keretapi sahaja (Railway Occupation Crossing) di-Tapah Road (Kampong Tapah Kechil).

apa-kah 21.
apa-kah 21.

Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji Arshad bertanya kapada Menteri Pengangkutan sebab-nya Sharikat Basini tidak di-beri kebenaran untok menjalankan perkhidmatan-nya sa-hingga ka-pekan Tapah Road; ada kah Pejabat Keretapi menentang-nya dan jika benar demikian, maka apa kah alasan tentangan itu.
Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji lubir: Oleh sebab Lintasan Jalan Keretapi 1349 3 OCTOBER 1962 1350 di-Tapah Road itu khas untok keretapi sahaja (Railway Occupation Crossing) maka hendak-lah di-jadikan Lintasan Jalan Keretapi itu sa-buah Lintasan Jalan Keretapi Aw.am dahulu sa-belum Sharikat Bas Melayu di-benar meng gunakan-nya dengan tujuan hendak perkhidmatan-nya menyambongkan sampai ka-Bandar Tapah.
Perkara hendak menukarkan Lintasan Jalan itu kapada satu Lintasan Keretapi Jalan Keretapi Awam sedang di timbangkan.

Apabila telah siap di tukarkan maka Sharikat Bas ini boleh lah memohon lesen daripada Lembaga Pelesen yang berkenaan untok me nyambongkan perkhidmatan bas-nya sampai ka-Bandar Tapah.

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Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji Arshad bertanya kapada Menteri Pengangkutan ada-kah Kerajaan sedar bahawa dengan tidak memberi kebe naran untok menjalankan perkhid matan-nya sa-hingga pekan Tapah Road, maka perusahaan bas ini tidak mendapat kemajuan yang sa-wajar-nya.
dan oleh sebab itu ada-kah Kerajaan akan menimbangkan supaya kebenaran di-berikan kapada Sharikat Bas ini menjalankan perkhidmatan-nya dari pada Telok Anson ka-pekan Tapah Road pada masa akan datang, supaya perusahaan bas ini bertambah maju.

Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Kerajaan tidak tahu bahawa Sharikat Bas ini tidak maju walau pun per khidmatan-nya sampai Lintasan Jalan Keretapi sahaja.
Sharikat Bas ini boleh-lah menghantarkan permohonan nya kapada Lembaga Pelesen untok menyambongkan perkhidmatan bas-nya sampai ka-Bandar Tapah apabila Lintasan Jalan Kereapi itu jadi sa-buah Lintasan Jalan Keretapi Awam.

RAILWAY CENTRAL WORKSHOP, SENTUL Recess Periods for Employees 23.

Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji Arshad bertanya kapada Menteri Pengangkutan supaya menerangkan jadual2 masa berehat bagi pekerja2 di Sentul Workshop, Kuala Lumpur, pada masa2 dan hari2 kerja biasa dan juga hari Abad.
Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Masa l'ehat pada hari2 kerja biasa ia-lah daripada pukul 11.30 pagi sam pai pukul 12.30 tengah hari sa.JJ.ain daripada masa rehat sa-belah pagi sa-lama lima belas minit antara pukul 8.45 pagi dengan pukul 9.00 pagi dan sa-belah petang sa-lama lima belas minit antara pukul 1.45 petang dengan pukul 2.QO petang.

Pada hari Juma'at pekerja2 Islam di-benarkan balek antara pukul 11.00 pagi dengan pukul 2.00 fardzu petang untok menunaikan Juma'at.
Pada hari Sabtu semua pe kerja2 bekerja sampai pukul 1.00 petang tetapi mereka berehat dari pukul 9.00 pagi sampai pukul 9.15 pagi.

Pada hari Abad biasa-nya Wokshop di-tutup dan pekerja2 tidak bekerja pada hari itu.

Recess Period for Prayer to Muslim Workers 24.

Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji Arshad bertanya kapada Menteri Pengangkutan bila dan berapa lama kah masa rehat yang di-untokkan bagi sa-saorang pekerja Islam, jika ia hen dak menunaikan fardzu sembahyang Zuhur.
Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Tidak ada di-khaskan masa berehat bagi pekerja2 Islam menunaikan fardzu sembahyang Zuhur.

Pekerja2 Islam boleh-lah menyempurnakan sembahyang fardzu Zuhur dalam masa rehat dari pada pukul 1.45 petang sampai pukul 2.00 petang.

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Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji Arshad bertanya kapada Menteri Pengangkutan ada-kah Kerajaan boleh menimbangkan untok memberi masa rehat kapada pekerja2 Islam di-Wok shop ini daripada pukul satu hingga pukul dua petang pada hari2 bekerja biasa, sa-lain daripada hari Juma'at itu.

Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Pentadbiran Keretapi tidak berchadang hendak memberi masa rehat kapada pekerja2 jam 1.00 Islam di-antara petang dengan 2.00 · petang kerana ini akan mengganggu urusan Wokshop.

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Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji Anhad bertanya kapada Menteri 1351 3 OCTOBER 1962 1352 Pengangkutan ada-kah pada rnasa rehat itu pekerjal Islam di-benarkan balek ka-iumah masing2 meninggalkan kawasan Wokshop itu.

Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Semua pekerja2 termasok pekerja2 Islam di-benar meninggalkan kawasan Wokshop waktu rehat sa-lain daripada rehat lima belas minit itu.

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Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji Arshad bertanya kapada Menteri Pengangkutan ada-kah Jabatan Keretapi mengadakan sa-suatu ternpat khas yang menasabah di-dalam kawasan Wok itu, bagi kemudahan pekerja2 shop Islam yang hendak rnenunaikan fardzu sembahyang.

Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Pentadbiran Keretapi tidak menyedia kan tempat sembahyang khas bagi pekerja2 Islam dalam kawasan Sentul Wokshop.

Menu in Malayan Railway Buftet Can 28.


Enche' Chin See Yin asks the Minister of Transport the reasons for pork and ham being removed from the menu in Buffet Cars of the Malayan Railway and thus deny them to the non-Muslim passengers.

Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Pork or ham is not served in the train because there is insufficient space in the train kitchen room to keep a separate ref rigerator for storing pork or ham so as to avoid it corning into contact with other food.
The use of separate cooking utensils and crockeries for pork or ham dishes would also require a separate storing place.

There have been strong passengers protests against the serving of pork or ham in the train while on the other hand non Muslim passengers can do without such dishes since no passenger will normally travel in the train for more than 20 hours.

Furthermore, other meat dishes are available.


from Muslim MINISTRY OF WORKS, POSTS AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS Fee for re-installation of disconnected Telephone 29.
Enche' Ahmad Boestamam ber tanya kapada Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos sekarang dan Talikom berapa bayaran yang di kenakan atas sa-saorang pelanggan talipon kerana menyambong sa-mula talipon-nya yang telah di-potong pada masa ini dan benar-kah bayaran itu telah di-naikkan dua kali ganda lebeh rnahal dari bayaran yang jika benar biasa terdahulu-nya, dan demikian, ada-kah · beliau bermaksud hendak dengan rnenimbangkan-nya tujuan hendak mengembalikan sa-mula bayaran chara lama itu.
Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos dan Talikom (Dato' V. T. Sambanthan): Bayaran sa-banyak $10 ada-lah di kenakan kerana rnemotong dan me nyambongkan balek talipon sa-saorang pelanggan yang telah di-potong oleh sebab lambat membayar bil talipon-nya.

Bayaran ini telah berjalan kuatkuasa nya semenjak lhb Julai, 1956 untok menggantikan bayaran yang dahulu nya di-kenakan sa-banyak $5, ia-itu semenjak tahun 1933.
Bayaran rnenyambongkan balek tali pon yang kena potong itu tidak hendak lama di-kurangkan saperti bayaran yang tidak pulang modal, oleh sebab bayaran saperti itu berma•ana bahawa sa-bahagian daripada belanja me mungut wang itu akan lebeh lagi ter kena kapada pelanggan2 lain yang tidak melambat2kan bayaran kira2 mereka.

Satu sharat di-benarkan membuka kira2 talipon ia-lah kira2 itu mesti di-bayar dengan serta-rnerta dan per atoran ia-lab bagi kepentingan ini pelanggan2 sendiri.
itu PRIME MINISTER'S DEPARTMENT Age for entry into Government Service 30.

Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji Arshad bertanya kapada Perdana Menteri berapa-kah tingkatan umor yang sa-habis2 tinggi yang.

lazirn-nya di-benarkan bagi sa-saorang yang hen dak memasoki jawatan2 Kerajaan pada masa ini, laki2 dan perernpuan.
Perdana Menteri: Sa-bagaimana yang di-nyatakan di-dalam Buku Sekim Gaji tahun 1956, )lad umor bagi sa•saorang masok terus ka-jawatan dalarn ber bagai2 perkhidmatan Kerajaan ada-lah berlain2 dari 23 hingga 35 tahun.

Dalarn pada itu, jika ada had umor itu tidak di-tetapkan dalam satu2 Sekim tiap2 ' 1353 3 OCTOBER 1962 1354 satu-nya itu di-timbangkan mengikut apa yang baik.

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Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji Arshad bertanya kapada Perdana Menteri oleh kerana had umor bersara bagi sa-saorang kaki-tangan Kerajaan pada masa ini telah di-naikkan, maka ada-kah Kerajaan akan menimbangkan ia-itu supaya tingkatan umor mulai bekerja itu pada masa akan datang ini di-naikkan lagi beberapa tahun dari- pada apa yang di-tetapkan pada masa ini, jika ia, bila-kah perkara itu boleh di-timbangkan, jika tidak harap terang kan sebab2-nya.
Perdana Menteri: Oleh sebab per atoran yang ada pada masa ini di tidak-lah dapati memuaskan maka di-chadangkan hendak di-naikkan had umor hendak masok Jawatan Kerajaan walau pun had umor bersara telah di-lanjutkan.