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8 Saturday 18th December, 1965 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DEWAN NEGARA (SENATE) OFFICIAL REPORT (SECOND SESSION OF THE SECOND DEWAN NEGARA) CONTENTS ADMINISTRATION OF OATHS [Col. 8411 ANNOUNCEMENTS BY MR PRESIDENT- Leave to the Honourable Dato' Ong Yoke Lin, P .M.N., and the Honourable Raja Rastam Shahrome bin Raja Said Tauphy [Col. 8411 Message from the House of Representatives [Col. 842] BUSINESS OF THE SENATE [Col. 8441 ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 845] ORDER OF BUSINESS (Motion)-- The Supply Bill, 1966 [Col. 8611 MOTION-- [Col. 8621 BILLS-- The Parliament (Members' Remuneration) Act, 1960 -(Amendment to Schedule) The Mini ^ters, Assistant Ministers and Parliamentary Secretaries (Remunera- tion) (Amendment) Bill [Col. 8811 The Turnover Tax (Amendment) Bill [Col. 8981 The Income Tax Laws (Malaysia) (Acne dment) (No.
2) Bill [Col. 909] The Excise (Amendment) Bill [Col. 9121 The Supplementary Supply ( 1965) (No.
2) Bill [Col. 9131 The Development Fund (Amendment ) Bill [Col. 918] The Customs (Malaysia Common Tariffs ) Bill [Col. 919] The Insurance (Amendment) Bill [Col. 926] The Convention on the Settlement of Investment Disputes Bill [Col. 932] The Federal Statute Law Revision (Suits against the Ruling Houses) Bill [Col. 9371 The Majlis Amanah Ra `ayat Bill [Col. 938] WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 4441 D;-CHETAK DI -JA3ATAN CHFTAK KERAJAAN OLEH MOKHTAR BIN HAJI SHAMSUDD: N, PI NGUASA JOHOR BAHRU 1967 Harga: $1 DEWAN NEGARA (SENATE) MALAYSIA Official R ep ort Vol.
[I Second Session of the Second Dewan Negara No.

S Saturday, 18th December-, 1965 The Senate met at Ten o'clock a.m.

PRESENT; The Honourable Mr President, DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN BIN MOHAMED YASSIN, S.P.M.J., P.I.S., J.P. (Johore) ENCHE' A. ARUNASALAM, A.M.N.

(Appointed).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN AHMAD (Perlis).

ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN OSMAN, P.J.K.

(Appointed).

TURN HAJI AHMAD BIN HAJI ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Penang).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN HAJI ABDUL MANAP, P.P.N.

(Melaka).
(Melaka).

CHE' AISHAH BINTI HAJI ABDUL GHANI (Appointed).

CHE' BIBI AISHA BINTI HAMID DON, A.M.N.

(Appointed).

ENCHE' AMALUDIMN BIN DARUS (Kelantan).

[DATU JOSEPH AUGUSTINE ANGIAN ANDULAG, P.D.K.

(Sabah) ENCHE' AWANG DAUD MATUSIN (Appointed).

DATU TUANKU BUJANG B N TUANKU HAJI OTH M AN (Sarawak).

ENCHE' CIIAN KEONG HON (Appointed).

„ ENCHE' CHAN KWONO-HON, J.M.N., S.M.S., J.P. (Selangor).

ENCHE' CHEAH SEND KHIM, J.P. (Penang).

„ DATO' DR CHEAH TOON LOK, D.P.M.K., D.M.K., J.M.N., J.P. (Appointed).
DATO' J. E. S. CRAWFORD, D.P.M.P., J.M.N., J.Y.

DATU' KURNIA INDERA (Appointed).

ENCHE' D. S. D0RAI RAJ, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Appointed).

DATO' FOO SEE MOI, D.P.M.K., J.P. (Appointed).

ENCHE' GAN TECK MEOW, J.M.N.

(Appointed).

ENCHE' GOH CHEK KIN, P.J.K.

(Trengganu).

ENCIIE' HOH CHEE CHEONG, A.M.N., J.P. (Pahang).

ENCHE' C. D. ISMAIL, J.M.N., J.P. (Appointed).

„ ENCHE' ANDREW JIKA LANDAU (Appointed).

ENCHE' KOH KIM LEND (Melaka).

DAm' LEE FOONG YEE, J.M.

N,, P.P.T ., J.P. (,Negri.


Sembilan} DATO' Y. T. LEE , D.P.M.S., J.M.N., P .J.K., J.P .

(Appointed).

ENCHE' L IM HEE HONG , J.M.N., J.P. (Appointed).

„ ENCHE ' LIM Joo KONG , J.P. (Kedah).

„ ENCHE' MOHAMED ADIB BIN OMAR, P.J.K.

(Trengganu).

DATU PENGIRAN MOHAMED DIGADONG GALPAM, P.D.K.

(Sabah) 839 1 8 DECEMBER 1 965 840 The Honourable DATO' HAJI MOHAMED NOAH BIN QMAR, P.M.N., S.P.M.J., D.P.M.B., P.I.s., J.P. (Appointed).

.. TUAN DAJI MOHAMED SAAID BIN HAJI ABU BAKAR (Appointed).
„ ENCHE' S. P. S. NATHAN (Appointed).

NIK HASSAN BIN HAJI NIK YAHYA, J.M.N.

(Appointed).

TEMENGSJONG OYONG LANAI JAU (Sarawak).

'l.

0K PANGKU PANDAK HAMID BIN PUTEH JALI, P.J.K.

(Appointed).

ENCHE' SAIDON BIN KECHUT, A.M.N.

(Appointed).

L, DATO' SHEIKH ABU BAKAR BIN YA -IYA AL-HAJ, D.P.M.J..

P.I.S., J.P. (Johore).

NATO' G. SHELLEY, P.M.N., J.P. (Appointed).

TUAN SYED AHMAD BIN SYED MAHMUD SHAHABUDIN, J.M.N., S.M.K., J.P. (Kedah).

Y, TUAN SYED DARUS BIN SYED HASHIM (Perlis).


„ ENCHE' WILLIAM TAN (Appointed).

DATO' T. H. TAN, P.M.N.

(Appointed).

,.

NATO' E. E. C. THURAISINGHAM, D.P.M.J., J.P. (Appointed ^.

,S ENCHE' S. O. K. UBAIDULLA, J.M.N.

(Appointed).

DATO' WAN IBRAHIM BIN WAN TANJONG, J.M.N., P.J.K., Orang Kaya Indera Maharaja Purba Jelai (Pahang).

y, ENCHE' YAHYA BIN AHMAD, P.J.K.

(Negri Sembilan).

ENCHE' YAHYA BIN HAM AIIMAD (Perak).

The Honourable the Minister without Portfolio , DATO' ONG YOKE UN, P.M.N.
ABSENT: (Appointed).

ENCHE' HONG KIM SUI (Appointed).

ENCHE' KHOO TECK PUAT (Appointed).

ENCHE' ATHI NAHAPPAN (Appointed).

RAJA RASTAM SHAHROME BIN RAJA SAID TAUPHY (Selangor.

p, WAN MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI WAN ALI , S.M.K.

(Kelantan).

ENCHE' YEOH KIAN TEIK (Perak).

IN ATTENDANCE : The Honourable the Minister of Home Affairs and Minister of Justice, DATO' DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N.

(Johor Timor).

(Melaka Tengah).


the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' TAN STEW SIN, J.P. the Minister of Transport, DATO' HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N.

(Pontian Utara).

,.

the Minister for Welfare Services, TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT ALI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang).

J.M.N., P.J.K.

(Kiang).

the Minister of Labour, ENCHE' V. MANICKAVASAGAM, 841 18 DECEMBER 1965 S42 The Honourable the Minister of Information and Broadcasting, ENCHE' SENU BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Kubang Pasu Barat).
the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, TUAN HAJI MOHAMED GHAZALI BIN HAJI JAW!

(Ulu Perak).

the Minister of Lands and Mines , ENCHE' ABDUL-RAHMAN BIN YA`KUB (Sarawak).

(Telok Anson).

the Assistant Minister of Finance , DR NG KAM POH, J.P. PRAYERS (Mr President in the Chair) ADMINISTRATION OF OATHS The following Members took and subscribed the Oath, or made and subscribed the Affirmation required by Law: ted).
(Perlis) Enche' Chan Keong-Hon (Appoin- Tuan Syed Darus bin Syed Hashim MESSAGE FROM THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Ahli2 Yang Berhomat, ada-lah saya menyatakan kapada Dewan ini, bahawa saya telah menerima satu perutusan daripada Dewan Ra`ayat.

Sekarang saya jemput-lah Setiausaha Dewan Negara membachakan Per- utusan itu.
(Whereupon the Clerk reads the following Message) "Mr President, Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Haji Abdul The House of Representatives has Manap (Melaka) Datu Tuanku B uj ang bin Tuanku Haji Othman (Sarawak) Enche' Chan Kwong Hon (Selangor) Datu Joseph Augustin Angian Andulag (Sabah) ANNOUNCEMENTS BY MR PRESIDENT LEAVE TO THE HONOURABLE DA TO' ONG.
YOKE LIN, P.M.N., AND THE HONOURABLE RAJA RASTAM SHAHROME BIN RAJA SAID TAUPHY Mr President : Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, saya ingin memberitahu kapada Dewan ini, bahawa menurut kuasa yang telah di-beri kapada saya, saya telah meng- izinkan Yang Berhormat Dato' Ong Yoke Lin dan Yang Berhormat Raja Rastam Shahrome, atas permintaan mereka kedua sendiri, berchuti dari- pada menghadziri Meshuarat Dewan Negara ini sa-lama enam bulan mulal daripada 9 haribulan Oktober, 1965 bagi Yang Berhormat Dato' Ong Yoke Lin, dan mulal daripada 17 hari- bulan Nobember, 1965 bagi Yang Berhormat Raja Rastam Shahrome.
Demikian-lah saya ma`alumkan.
passed the following Bills (1) to amend the written laws relating to the remuneration of Ministers, Assistant Ministers and Parliamentary Secretaries; (2) to amend the Turnover Tax Act, 1965; (3) to amend further the laws relating to income tax of Sabah, Sarawak and the States of Malaya; (4) to amend the Excise Act, 1961; (5) to amend the Development Fund Ordinance, 1958; (6) to create common tariffs for Malaysia and to provide for matters incidental thereto; (7) to amend the Insurance Act, 1963; (8) to ractify and give legal sanction to the provisions of the Con- vention on the Settlement of Investment Disputes; (9) to repeal the Laws of the States of Kedah, Negri Sem- bilan, Pahang, Perak, Perlis, Selangor and Trengganu relat- ing to suits against the Ruling Houses of those States; 843 18 DECEMBER 1965 844 (10) to establish a corporate body by the name of the Maj lis Amanah Ra`ayat and for the purposes connected therewith; (11) to amend the Prevention of Crime Ordinance, 1959; (12) to consolidate the laws relating to the possession and produc- tion of travel documents by persons entering or leaving, or travelling within, the Federa- tion and to provide for matters connected therewith ; (13) to amend the Immigration Ordinance, 1959; (14) to amend the Divorce Ordin- ance, 1952, of the States of Malaya; (15) to amend the Penal Code; (16) to provide for the reconstitution of the Rubber Research Insti- tute of Malaya and for matters incidental thereto; (17) to amend the Pineapple In- dustry Ordinance, 1957, and the Pineapple Industry (Amend- ment) Act, 1964; (18) to establish the Malaysian Timber 'Export Industry Board for the purpose of regulating and improving the timber export industry and to provide for matters connected therewith; (19) to repeal certain legislation relating to Mui Tsai; (20) to amend the Employment Ordinance, 1955; (21) to amend the Co-operative Societies Ordinance, 1948; (22) to incorporate the National Land Rehabilitation and Con- solidation Authority to be charged with the responsibility for
 the rehabilitation and de- velopment of any areas within the States of Malaya; (23) to apply sums out of the Con- solidated Fund for additional expenditure for the service of the year 1965 and to appropri- ate such sums for certain purposes; (24) to apply a sum out of the Con- of the year 1966 and to appro- priate that sum and such other sums as have been authorised to be issued for the service of that year; (25) to provide for the appointment of places of safety for the purposes of the Laws in forces in different parts of the States of Malaya for the Protection of Women and Girls; (26) to amend and consolidate the law relating to the registration of societies; (27) to amend the Road Traffic Ordinance, 1958; (28) to amend the Merchant Ship- ping Ordinance, 1952, in order to give legal effect to an Inter- national Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea signed in London on 17th June, 1964, and to international Regula- tions for Preventing Collisions at sea, 1960 and to enable Malaysian vessels exclusively employed in the fishing industry to be exempted from the pro- visions of Part III of the Ordinance; (29) to establish a body corporate to be called the National Pro- ductivity Council and to provide for matters connected therewith.
(sd.)

Dato' Chik Mohamed Yusof bin Sheikh Abdul Rahman (Mr Speaker) 15th December, 1965" BUSINESS OF THE SENATE Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to give notice that I will move the second and third readings of the following Bills at this meeting of the Senate: The Supply Bill, 1966.

The Ministers, Assistant Ministers and Parliamentary Secretaries (Re- munerations) (Amendment) Bill.

The Turnover Tax (Amendment) Bill.

The Income Tax Laws (Malaysia) (Amendment) (No.

2) Bill.
2) Bill.

solidated Fund to the services The Excise (Amendment) Bill.

845 18 DECEMBER 1965 846 The Convention on the Settlement of eligible for low interest loans under The Supplementary Supply (No.

2) The Development Fund (Amend- The Customs (Malaysian Common Bill.

ment) Bill.

Tariffs) Bill.

The Insurance (Amendment) Bill.

Investment Disputes Bill.

The Federal Statute Law Revision (Suits against the Ruling Houses) Bill.

The Majlis Amanah Ra`ayat Bill.

The Prevention of Crime (Amend- ment) Bill.


The Passports Bill.

The Immigration (Amendment) (No.

The Divorce (Amendment) Bill.

The Penal Code (Amendment) (No.

2) Bill.

2) Bill.

The Rubber Research Institute of Malaya Bill.

The Malaysian Timber Export Industry Board (Incorporation) Bill.

The Pineapple Industry (Amend- ment) Bill.

The Women and Girls (Appointment of Places of Safety) Bill.

The Mui Tsai (Repeat) Bill.

The Employment (Amendment) Bill.


obtain loan for building homes are charged 3% interest but those from Aided Schools are charged 9%.

The Minister of Information and Broadcasting (Enche' Senu bin Abdul Rahman): Mr President, Sir, teachers in Government Service in Sarawak are the Sarawak Scheme of Service.

Teachers in Aided Schools are not subject to this Scheme of Service.
The Grant Code makes no provision for loan assistance for Aided School teachers, who are not subject to posting in the same way as Government School teachers.

Enche' William Tan : Mr President, Sir, can the Honourable Minister kindly tell me why there is such discrimination in treatment between aided and un-aided school teachers?

Enche' Senu bin Abdul Rahman: Well, that is the law at present.

Nothing can be done about it now.


Enche' Abdul Samad bin Osman: Just now I heard from the Honourable Minister that Aided School teachers are not subject to posting in the same way as Government school teachers.

Cannot Aided School teachers in Sarawak be posted to other schools?

The Co-operative Societies (Amend- Enche' Senu bin Abdul Rahman: ment) Bill.

At the moment they cannot.

The National Land Rehabilitation and Consolidation Authority (Incor- poration) Bill.

The Societies Bill.
The Societies Bill.

The Merchant Shipping (Amend- ment) Bill.

The Road Traffic (Amendment) Bill.

The National Productivity Council (Incorporation) Bill.

Mr President : So be it.

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS Dato' Haji Mohamed Noah bin Omar: Cannot the law be amended in order to make these Aided School teachers eligible for such an allowance?

Enche' Senu bin Abdul Rahman: This is to be considered by the Minister.

Thank you.
Thank you.

ALLEVIATION OF CONDITION OF UNFORTUNATE PEOPLE IN THE FEDERAL CAPITAL (KUALA LUMPUR) HOUSING LOAN TO TEACHERS IN 5ARAWAK 1.

Enche' William Tan asks the Minister of Education to state why teachers from Government schools who 2.

Enche' William Tan asks the Minister for Welfare Services to state what actions are being taken to alleviate the condition of unfortunate people including child-beggars in the Federal Capital of Kuala Lumpur.

847 18 DECEMBER 1965 848 .


The Minister for Welfare Services (Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan): Sir, I do not quite know to whom the "unfortunate people" the Honourable Member refers to, but if the Honourable Member is referring to beggars and vagrants, then I would say that appropriate action has been taken to provide for the care and rehabilitation of such people in accordance with the provisions of the Vagrants Act, 1965.
A committee comprising representatives of Police and the Ministry has been formed to deal specifically with mendicity and vagrancy.

This committee has been entrusted with the task of reviewing the problems of vagrancy in the Federal Capital and take appropriate action to deal with them.

Since the coming into force of the Act, 187 adult beggars and vagrants were arrested, of whom 34 have been received into the Homes specifically established for the purpose of the Act.
The others were either bound over or cautioned and discharged.

In addition to this, another 28 adult beggars and vagrants were received into the Homes on a voluntary basis.

Beggars who have been received into the Homes will be given such training in order to reclaim them to a state of self-respect, economic independence and satisfying social conditions.

Among other things, they will be taught a trade suitable to their capabilities and wherever possible they will be found employment on dis- charge.
Those who are physically incapable of earning a livelihood will be given custodial care.

In regard to child beggars requiring care and protection, they will be received into the Children's Homes under the provisions of the Children and Young Persons Ordinance.

Alto- Enche' William Tan : Mr President, Sir, I thank the Honourable Minister for his rather elaborate statement, but if the Federal Capital, Kuala Lumpur, is going to cater for tourist trade, I am afraid we have got to put a stop to this nuisance.
Well, I would like to cite one example.

It was just last night that I saw one fellow sleeping on the five-foot-way of Bukit Bintang Road, near Malaysia Hotel, and...... Mr President : You are discussing the reply, which you should not!

Enche' William Tan: I wonder whether the Honourable Minister is aware of this.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Sir, as I said in my speech in reply to the Honourable Member, every possible care had been taken to see that these people are taken care of.
As I said, a total of 366 persons had been arrested and placed in the various Homes and Police action had been taken, and action will continue to be taken to see that these people do not become pests.

Enche' Lim Hee Hong : As far as I know, Sir, some of these beggars do not want to be taken care of.

As far as my knowledge goes, they are making a trade out of it.

Mr President : That is not a supple- mentary question !
Enche' Abdul Samad bin Osman: Sir, in the State of Kedah, and also in my place at Sungei Patani, adult beggars of over sixty (not child beggars) are still roaming the streets begging, but no action has been taken so far.

What action and when that action will be taken by the Ministry?

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: As gether 28 children were caught begging I said earlier, Sir, action is being taken and of this one child has been received within the law.
Unless a beggar can be into the Children's Home as in need proved to be a nuisance, then he can- of care and protection.

The remainder not be arrested by the police.

were cautioned and discharged.

The police must have evidence Children so received will be given care, according to the law that that person training, education and such other is acting as a nuisance.

If he just sits facilities until they are ultimately in the five-foot-way, lifts his hand up rehabilitated.
without pestering anybody, he cannot 18 DECEMBER 1965 850 849 so.

be arrested; and if he were arrested, he could say, "well, I just sat there resting and thanking God that I have got a good view to see around me", or something of that kind.

As I said, every precaution and every action has been taken and we will continue to do Enche' Abdul Samad bin Osman: The Honourable Minister has stated just now "sitting on the five-foot- way"-may I ask him whether this is one obstruction, a nuisance, or not.
Sitting on the five-foot-way is an obstruction to traffic !

(Laughter).

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: If it comes under the law of obstruction, then the Police will charge the man for obstruction, but not if he were to just sit somewhere where he is not an public, that is for the Police to say as they are the people who can best judge and they are the people who implement the law.
Dato' J. E. S. Crawford : Sir, on a point of clarification -I think the Minister answered that the figure he gave was for the whole of Malaya.

It is somewhat astonishing, Sir, because the question here specifically refers to the Capital only, i.e.

Kuala Lumpur.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: We have not got figures by individual towns, but what we have are of these people who have been arrested.
If the Honourable Member is interested, then he could put up a separate question and then we will be able to reply.

Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Our obstruction.

Quite a number of people Honourable Minister has stated that sit on the five-foot way or stand there also, and probably the Honourable Member has had occasion during rain to stand on the five-foot-way for "obstruction" is not a "nuisance".

But according to law, obstruction is a public nuisance.
Is it correct or not that obstruction is a public nuisance.

shelter (Laughter).

Enche' Abdul Samad bin Osman: In regard to the word "nuisance", who is going to charge a person for being a nuisance?

Is it going to be a Magistrate, or the Police, or the Minister himself?

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Well, the Police must be satisfied that they have a case before they bring it to Court, and it is for the judge to decide.
Enche' S. O. K. Ubaidulla: Sir, does the figure of arrest which he gave represent only Kuala Lumpur or whole of Malaya?

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: It depends, Sir, if it is obstruction and if it becomes a nuisance to the public.

then it is a public nuisance.

Dato' Haji Mohamed Noah: I am not quite clear on this definition of "begging".

It seems according to the definition given by the Minister, that unless a beggar is a nuisance then he cannot be arrested.
Now, if a man is begging without causing nuisance, can he be arrested or not?

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Well, according to the law, if he solicits and he just comes round to the Honourable Member and says, "Can Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: you please give me something?

", well, Whole of Malaya.

Enche' William Tan: Sir, may I ask the Honourable Minister whether he deems a man sleeping on the five-foot- way as an obstruction?
Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: "Nuisance" is one thing and "obstruc- tion" is another.

If the Honourable Member is asking whether that obstruction causes hindrance to the if the Honourable Member wishes to give him something, then there is a mutual agreement between the two (Laughter).

Then, Sir, the Honourable Member surely does not want the man to be charged because he wants to give him something for charity.
But if a person proves to be a nuisance and if he keeps on tugging at the Honourable Member's coat, and then the Honourable Member does not like 851 18 DECEMBER 1965 852 it, then that is a nuisance.

As I said, the people who are to implement the law are the Police, and they are the people who can judge best as to when an action is a nuisance or not.

Dato' Wan Ibrahim bin Wan Tan- jong: Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya suka menambah satu soal lagi.
Oleh kerana banyak anak2 yang di-bawah umor Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Jikalau dia ada tanggongan umpama- nya isteri, jadi dia itu boleh-lah di- timbangkan di-bawah orange mengang- gor atau pun orange yang tidak ada satu mata pencharian.

Dia boleh memohon kapada Pejabat Kebajikan Masharakat untok di-bantu.

Enche' D. S. Dorairaj : Sir, begging 15 tahun di-bawa oleh peminta2 is a crime, and all beggars should be sedekah, sama ada buta atau tepok, apa-kah langkah Kerajaan supaya ini arrested.
Well, I feel a different way.

People who give them money should tidak menjadi sa-orang yang bersusah be arrested first (Laughter).

People payah meminta sedekah?

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Anak2 ini boleh kita tempatkan dalam rumah2 di-mana ada di-tempatkan anak2, di-mana tidak ada orang yang menj aga-nya di-tempatkan di-Child- ren's Homes.
Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar bin Yahya: Apa-kah langkah2 yang Kerajaan akan ambil atas anak2 yang sentiasa di-bawa oleh peminta2 sedekah sama ada buta, tepok dan sa-bagai-nya, supaya anak2 ini tidak menjadi bertabi`at peminta sedekah.

°Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Jikalau peminta sedekah itu di-tangkap atau di-masokkan dalam rumah taha- nan, j adi anak2 ini boleh-lah di-ambil oleh Kerajaan di-tempatkan ka-rumah budak2.
Enche' Yahya bin Haji Ahmad: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, baik-lah kalau peminta2 sedekah membawa anak2- nya, orange yang minta sedekah itu ada keluarga dengan meminta- lah dia menanggong keluarga-nya.

Kalau di-tangkap, bagaimana pula keluarga-nya yang di-rumah.

Apa- kah satu langkah yang Kerajaan buat supaya orange yang meminta sedekah ini yang tanggong- j awab-nya ada, kalau dia di-tangkap, bagaimana keluarga-nya di-rumah?
Biasa-nya banyak di-tempat2 yang kita pernah lihat di-kampong2 datang-nya dia itu buta bawa anak2-nya, tiba2 di-tangkap.

Bagaimana Pula isteri di-rumah?

Apa-kah langkah yang patut Kerajaan ambit dalam perkara ini?

think that by giving beggars money, they can wipe out their sins.

Mr President : This is becoming a discussion now !

Enche' D. S. Dorairaj: So, Mr President, Sir, I feel some people are making beggary as a business.

It is very hard for any Government to get rid of beggars.
In certain countries I know that they make it a rule that begging is a crime but even then beggars are there; and though they put up so many homes, nobody lives there.

I think our Government is also having the same experience, taking them to Homes but nobody wants to remain there.

Mr President : You are out of order, please sit down !

Enche' William Tan: Mr President, Sir, may I point out to the Honourable Minister that one of the worst forms of nuisance is the jaga keretas in public parks.
Would the Police consider them as beggars who are imposing them- selves upon others?

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: The jaga keretas could be taken in under the Minor Offences Ordinance.

ESTABLISHMENT OF EYE BANK FOR CORNEAL GRAFTING 3.

Enche' William Tan asks the Minister of Health to state when Government intends to introduce legis- lation to authorise the removal of eyes from the dead and depositing them in 853 18 DECEMBER 1965 854 any Eye Bank for corneal grafting TINDAKAN UNTOK MENGATASI for the blind.
The Assistant Minister of Finance (Dr Ng Kam Poh): Mr President, Sir, a Bill on corneal grafting is being drafted and is now nearing its final stage for consideration by the Govern- m ent.

Dato' Haji Mohamed Noah: Sir, have religious bodies been consulted when drafting this Bill especially the Muslims?

Dr Ng Kam Poh : Mr President, Sir, the religious bodies will, of course, be consulted concerning this corneal grafting.
Where grafting will be done, of course, consent must be given by the relatives of the person concerned.

CHADANGAN MENGADAKAN LAG!

SATU SALORAN BAG!

TALIVISHEN 4.

Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar bin Yahy a bertanya kapada Menteri Penerangan dan Penyiaran ada-kah Kerajaan mempunyai apa2 chadangan hendak mengadakan satu saloran lagi dalam talivishen kita, dan j ika ada, bila hendak di-mulakan.
The Minister of Information and Broadcasting (Enche' Senu bin Abdul Rahman): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Kementerian saya memang ada ran- changan2 hendak mengadakan satu lagi saloran dalam Talivishen Malaysia, tetapi pada masa ini Jabatan yang ter- sebut sedang menumpukan segala tenaga-nya untok menambah dan meninggikan lagi mutu ranchangan2 tempatan yang sedia ada supaya chorak ranchangan2 itu dapat benar2 memberikan atau mencherminkan ke- budayan kita.
OIeh yang demikian, ranchangan hendak mengadakan satu saloran lagi itu terpaksa-lah di-tang- gohkan buat sementara waktu, perkara mengadakan satu saloran lagi itu bukan-lah satu perkara yang sudah, jika ada banyak ranchangan2 tempatan yang sesuai untok di-tun j okkan, tetapi tentu-lab tidak ada guna-nya jika saloran itu di-gunakan sa-mata2 untok menunjokkan kebudayaan2 asing.

KEKURANGAN PEGAWAI2 UNDANGAN KERAJAAN 5.


Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar bertanya kapada Menteri Ke`adilan memandang bahawa beberapa orang pegawai per- khidmatan undangan telah meletakkan j awatan, ada-kah apa2 tindakan yang Kerajaan telah j alankan atau bercha- dang hendak ambil untok mengatasi kekurangan pegawai2 undangan atau mengisi jawatan2 kosong.
Menteri Ke`adilan (Dato' Dr Ismail): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada masa ini ada lapan orang pegawai Kerajaan yang telah di-beri biasiswa undangan bagi mempelaj ari undang2 dalam Inns of Court, London, bagi mendapatkan ijazah Barrister-at-Law.

Tiga daripada- nya ada-lah dalam tingkatan pelaj aran yang terakhir, sa-orang lagi pegawai akan berlepas ka-England dalam bukan ini dan dua orang Iagi akan di-hantar pada awal tahun hadapan atas biasiswa yang tersebut.
Langkah2 telah juga di-ambil bagi mengadakan 10 biasiswa bagi pelajaran yang tersebut dalam tahun 1966.

Dato' Haji Mohamed Noah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan tambahan.

Saya hendak bertanya, ada-kah betul bagai- mana yang di-sebutkan dalam soal ini, ramai daripada pegawai2 dalam per- khidmatan undangan yang telah ber- henti daripada jawatan Kerajaan dan boleti-kah di-beri apa-kah sebab2-nya mereka berhenti.
Ada-kah sa-tengah daripada-nya orang yang sudah men- dapat scholarship daripada Kerajaan atau pun tidak?

Dato' Dr Ismail : Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya tidak berani hendak mengatakan banyak tidak banyak, sebab apa, itu atas taksiran masing2, tetapi sebab2-nya mereka itu keluar daripada j awatan Kerajaan, itu ada-lah terpulang kapada fikiran masing2.
Saya tidak tahu-lah fasal fikiran masing2 itu, apa-kah sebab-nya dia hendak keluar daripada menj adi pegawai Kerajaan, chuma ada sangkaan2 sahaja, yang dia itu ti_dak bersetuju dengan gaji yang di-berikan, tetapi telah di-nafikan pula ada pegawai2 yang lain telah berhenti, 855 18 DECEMBER 1965 856 dia kata, bukan itu sebab-nya dia berhenti.

Jadi ini perkara chuma Allah sahaja yang tahu apa sebab-nya dia berhenti.

MELEBEHKAN LAGI BIASISWA2 DALAM UNDANG2 6.


Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar bertanya kapada Perdana Menteri ada-kah Keraj aan akan menawarkan lebeh banyak lagi biasiswa2 kapada penun- tut2 yang layak dan chenderong dalam lapangan Undang2.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pemberian bia- siswa Persekutuan ada-lah berdasarkan kapada keperluan Kementerian2, Jaba- tan2, akan pegawai2 yang telah terlateh untok memenohi jawatan2 yang kosong.
Oleh yang demikian bilangan biasiswa Persekutuan untok pelajaran undang2 =ada-lah bergantong kapada bilangan jawatan yang kosong pada masa ini dan masa hadapan dalam Jabatan Perundangan dan Kehakiman.

ACTION BY THE MALAYSIAN GOVERNMENT TO NULLIFY THE ILLEGAL INDEPENDENT GOVERNMENT OF MR IAN SMITH IN RHODESIA 7.
Enche' Saidon bin Kechut asks the Minister of External Affairs to state whether, as a member of the Com- monwealth and the United Nations, the Malaysian Government will seriously consider using the maximum influence on the British Government to take immediate and positive action to nullify the illegal independence of Rhodesia and to depose the rebel Prime Minister Ian Smith accordingly.

Than Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Sir, I would like to take this oppor- tunity to make a comprehensive state- ment on Rhodesia.
The Malaysian Government's position has always been that Rhodesia, being a dependent territory of Britain, is solely a British responsibility.

We had acknowledged that a solution of the Rhodesian pro- blem was one that Britain alone had to meet.

When it appeared that the Smith Government of Rhodesia was seriously contemplating taking matters into their own hands and making a unilateral declaration of independence, on 20th October, made known publicly that in the event of U.D.I.
: (a) Malaysia would not recognise the U.D.I.
or the independent state claimed to exist thereafter; (b) Malaysia would accord Rhodesia the treatment she has accorded the Republic of South Africa : namely, no relations of any kind including a total embargo on trade; (c) Malaysia would support any action resolved by the U.N. General Assembly of the Security Council; and (d) Malaysia would give total moral diplomatic support, and other possible forms of assistance at its disposal, to the British Govern- ment to re-assert its authority in Rhodesia.
As Honourable Members will know, on 11th November, 1965, the Smith regime in Rhodesia, acting unilaterally, seized independence.

The Malaysian Government does not recognise this unilateral action nor the state the rebel regime claims to have come into being.
Following from this, the Malaysian Government does not recognise pass- ports or visas issued by the rebel regime, and any letters, parcels or communica- tion arriving by post in this country bearing postage stamps issued by the rebel regime will be surcharged in the same manner as letters bearing no stamps.

The Malaysian Government has also enforced exchange control measures against Rhodesia.
As a consequence, Rhodesia has been ex- cluded from the sterling area, and all payments to residents in Rhodesia and all financial transactions, which in any way involve Rhodesian interests, are restricted.
The Honourable Minister of Finance has also made an Order known as "The Custom Prohibition of Imports and Exports (Southern Rhodesia) Order, 1965" in respect of the States of Malaya and similar Orders in res- pect of Sabah and Sarawak, whereby 857 1 8 DECEMBER 1 965 858 the importation into and exportation from Malaysia of all goods which are consigned trom or to Rhodesia or to any territory administered by Rhodesia is absolutely prohibited.
The provisions are Malaysia-wide and have the effect of a total trade ban with Rhodesia.

Since the ill-conceived rebellion by the Smith regime, Malaysia has supported all resolutions passed by the United Nations General Assembly and Secu- rity Council.
Particularly on 20th November last, Malaysia subscribed to a resolution in the Security Council which, among other things, called upon all members to sever economic ties with Rhodesia, including the imposition of an oil embargo and called upon Britain to implement all other measures to bring about an early end to this rebel regime.
We are com- mitted to supporting any action Malaysian Government, fervently ad- heling to the principles of democracy and majority rule, cannot stand by and see the rights of some four million African Rhodesians flaunted by a white minority of some 200,000.

The Malaysian Government is not prepared to countenance rebellion.

Our attitude is unequivocal.

We have exerted our influence and we will continue to do so to wipe out the rebel regime of Rhodesia.
Enche' Saidvn bin Kechut: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan tambahan.

Boleti-kah saya mengatakan, dengan munchol-nya Kerajaan Penderhakaan Ian Smith di-Rhodesia itu memang benar di-dorongkan oleh Kerajaan British, demi kepentingan British sendiri?

Than Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Itu resolved by the United Nations to satu soalan yang lain; jadi saya tidak- settle the Rhodesian crisis and in the lah dapat menj awab-nya.

same spirit we will, of course, carry out the provisions of any resolution so passed.
Honourable Members will have noted that in our declaration of policy on 20th October, we slated that Malaysia would give total moral and diplomatic support to other possible forms of assistance at its disposal to the British Government to re-assert its authority in Rhodesia.

This stems from our belief that the Rhodesia problem is primarily a British responsibility.
In this respect, we have been in com- munication with the British Prime Minister, and this Government con- tinues to be seized of the Rhodesian problem.

We have noted with serious misgivings the latest developments in the Rhodesian crisis and the serious repercussions that they are having in Africa and also in the rest of the world.
Commonwealth solidarity, and indeed world peace, is being threatened, and when the Prime Minister of Nigeria proposed just over a week ago that there should be an emeruency meeting of Commonwealth Heads of Govern- ment on or about the 10th of next month, our Prime Minister readily agreed; and indeed the Prime Minister is prepared to grasp at any other possible means to settle the crisis.

The Dato' Haji Mohamed Noah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan tambahan.
Saya hendak bertanya kapada Yang Ber- hormat Menteri yang berkenaan.

Ada-kah Kerajaan Malaysia berfikir segala tindakan yang telah di-buat oleh Kerajaan British, hingga hart ini, di-atas Kerajaan yang haram itu, chukup atau di-fikir tindakan itu tidak chukup keras?

Tuan Haji Abdul ..amid Khan: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-bagaimana saya telah terangkan dengan panj ang lebar baharu sa-kej ap tadi, is-itu tujuan dan hasrat kita supaya meng- gulingkan Kerajaan Rhodesia yang Karam itu.
Jadi tentu-lah satu2 tin- dakan yang di-ambit oeh satu2 pehak tidak dapat menunjokkan kesan yang serta-merta.

Jadi tunggu-lah dahulu.

Jikalau tidak memberi kesan apa yang di-jalankan oleh Kerajaan British itu kita harus memikirkan apa chara pula.

Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: Jadi jawapan Menteri tadi, ada suara untok mengadakan satu persidangan Commonwealth bagi merundingkan nerkara Rhodesia mi.

Jadi sa-takat ini belum lagi di-dengar persidangan itu di-langsongkan.
Jadi ada-kah Kerajaan Malaysia ini akan menggunakan segala 859 1.8 DECEMBER 1965 860 pengaroh yang ada pada-nya untok Malaysia telah bersetuju dengan menegakkan Kerajaan British supaya persidangan itu di-adakan dengan sa-berapa segera?

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: mi kita akan jalankan, jikalau di- pandang peru.
Dato' J. E. S. Crawford: Mr President, Sir, purely on a point of clarification The Honourable Mem- ber, asking this question has asked our Government to influence the British Government to take immediate and positive action to nullify the Rhodesian independence.

Well, Sir, has not the British Government taken immediate and positive action?

I think our Government will agree to that, Sir.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Memang, kita bertujuan dan berhajat bagitu-lah.
Enche' Saidon bin Kechut : Ada-kah Malaysia berchadang mengikut lang- kah2 negara2 Asia-Africa yang lain menarek diri darpada Persatuan Commonwealth?

Nigeria untok mendesak Kerajaan British mengadakan meshuarat Com- monwealth di-Lagos saya ingat, tidak- lah elok sa-kira-nya kalau Malayia ini mengambil "initiative" untok Per- dana Menteri kita memberi tahu kapada Britain bahawa lebeh elok di- adakan Commonwealth meeting ini di-Kuala Lumpur ini?
Kerana Lagos itu satu negara daam Africa juga, hendak membinchangkan atas soal Africa juga, Rhodesia.

Tidak-kah &ok jikalau Perdana Menteri kita memberi tahu kapada Britain, lebeh baik kita mengadakan meshuarat Common- wealth itu di-Malaysia mi.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tempat-nya itu belum lagi di-tentukan.
Jika zau kita fikir perlu tempat lain tidy k mahu menerima menjadi tuan rumah dan jikalau di-persetujul pula supaya di- ada-kan perjumpaan sa-umpama itu kita suka-lah menjadi tuan runiah.

Enche' Abdul Samad bin Osman: Ma`ana-nya bi'a di-Nigeria itu jadi `bias' kerana Rhodesia pun Africa.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hanid Khan: Saya nampak Iebeh &ok di-Malaysia iii Kita akan memandangkan keadaan.

kerana kira Asia.

Tidak-kah kira boleti Jadi kita tidak membuat satu2 dan memberi tahu sana, kira bersetuju?
menjalankan satu2 kerja dengan ter- buru2.

Kita memik irkan.

Enche' S. O. K. Ubaidulia: May I ask the Honourable Minister whether the Government of Malaysia has received any representation from the Organisation of African Unity with regard to the question of Rhodesia?

Tuan Haji Abdul Harnid Khan: Sa-kejap tadi saya sudah beri t Chu.

kita ada perhubongan dengan Nigerian Prime Mini ter-sa-keiap todi aya sudah berchakap.

Jadi jikalau ada per- kara ini maseh lagi dalam perundingan, belum tamat lagi.
Enche' S. 0.

K. Cbaidulla: Soal saya, ada-kah kitaa terima apa' utusan daripada pertubohan ini`.'

Tuan Haji Abdul ]amid Khan: flu soalan lain, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

Enche' Abdul Samad bin O_xnan: Fuan Yang di-Pertua, o^eh sebab T uan Haji Abdul Hamld Khan: Jawapan tadi, Titan.

Yang di -Pertua, jadi kalau ada di-pandang perlu kita tirnbangkan.
Enche' Saidon bin Kechut: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dapat-kah saya m.enga- takan dengan sebab munchu _-nya Kerajaan penderhaka Ian Smith di- Rhodesia, moral Kerajaan British te'ah jatoh di-serata dunia.

Dan anggota2 kesatuan negara Commonwealth, kalau tidak berhati2, anggota kesatuan dari neggara Commonwealth juga akan menjadi patong permam an Kerajaan British itu.
Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ini ada-lah situ perkara yang lain, jadi panda.ngan satu2 pehak flu ada-lah tidak dapat kita hendak tentukan.

Dato' Dr Cheah 'l'oon Lok: Mr President, Sir, as a matter of c'arifica- tion., may I ask the Minister concerned 861 18 DECEMBER 1965 862 whether the oil embargo on Rhode is announced by the Briti h Government this morning is due to the influence of the Malaysian Government or not?
Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Jadi, ini ada- _ah de sakan daripada semua negeri, bukan Malaysia sahaja.

That consideration by the Senate of the Supply Bill, 1966, set out on the Order Paper today as item No.

2 be postponed until Monday, 20th December, 1965.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya menyokong.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, MALAYSIAN'S SUPPORT FOR AMERICA AGAINST VIETCONG IN SO UTH VIETNA V1 That consideration by the Senate of the Supply Bill, 1966 set out on the Order Paper today as item No.

2 be postponed until Monday, 20th December, 1965.

8.
8.

Enche' Saidon bill Kezhut asks the Minister or External Affairs to state whether, as a nation of the democratic bloc, Malaysia proposes to offer its full support, in whatever form poLsib e, to the Americans who are making great sacrifices to thwart the influence of Communist Vietcong in South Vietnam.
Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Tuan Yang di-Per tua, Malaysia me- mang ber: impati dengan Vietnam Se^atan yang di-ancham oleh musoh kominis da i Vietnam U t xra dan to :ah pun memberi perto ongan moral dan kebendaan kerana Malaysia maseh iagi teringat masa dharurat dahulu, apabi.a negeri ini juga to .ah di-ancham oleh kominis.

Wa au pun bag^tu Malaysia sekarang ini sedang menghadapi kon- frantasi daripada Indonesia.
Dan oleh yang demikian be ntugas menjaga kese'amatan negeri ini h.n tidak-lah bo`eh memberi sa-banvak2 bantuan yang di-kehendaki ka-Vietnam Selatan.

Enche' SIidan bin Kechut: Per- tanyaan tambahan.

Benar-kah menurut laporan2 is-itu ra-tiap ka'i pertemporan yang ber'a'cu di-antara America dengan Vietkong di-Vietnam, tenteMa America sela1u menerima puku'an terok, men- dapat kerugian yang bear?

Tuan Hali Abdul H9m'd Khan: Pu ada-lab soal a n lain, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, (Ketawa).
ORDER OF B STNESS (Motion) THE SUPPLY BILL, 1966 Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President.
Sir, under Standing Order 13 (2), I beg to move: MOTION THE PARLIAMENT (MEMBERS' REM UNERA'I ION) ACT, 16) (Amendment to Schedule) Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move : That this house pursuant to the pro- visions of Section 4 of the Parliament (Members' Remuneration) Act, 1960, resolves that the following amendments be made to the Schedule to that Act- Insert the following new items immedi- ately after item 10 of the chedu1e- "I1.
Death benefits applicable to members (other than Ministers, Assistant Ministers and Parliamentary Secreta- ries): Where death is caused by an injury sustained in an accident occuring in the course of or attributable to, the discharge of his duties as a Member of Parliament (hereinafter referred to as "an accident"), there shall be paid to his dependants or, if there are no dependants, to his legal personal representatives, the sum of sixty thousand (60,000) dollars; Proivded that where his dependants or his legal personal representatives are entitled to receive benefits simi- lar to those provided in this item under any scheme operated by the Government of any State or under any State law, such dependants or legal personal representatives shall be entitled at their option to receive one benefit only.
12.
Permanent disablement benefits ap- pCcable to members (other than Ministers, Assistant Ministers and Parliamentary Secretaries) : Where permanent disablement is caused by an injury sustained in an accident and such disablement occurs within twelve calendar months of the said accident, there shall be paid to him one of the following sums- 863 18 DECEMBER 1965 864 (1) where the injury results in the loss of two or more limbs by actual separation at or above the wrist or ankle or the total and irrecoverable loss of all sight of both eyes or the loss of one limb accompanied by the loss of sight of one eye, the sum of one hundred and twenty thousand (120,000) dollars; (2) where the injury results in the loss of one limb by actual separation at or above the wrist or ankle or the total and irre- coverable loss of the sight of one eye, the sum of sixty thousand (60,000) dollars; (3) where injury results in permanent disablements other than any of those specified in (1) and (2) above- (a) in the case of disablement which totally prevents him from engaging in or giving attention to any profess:on or occupation, the sum of one hundred and twenty thou- sand (120,000) dollars; or (b) in the case of a disablement which partially prevents him from engaging in or giving attention to any profession or occupation, such sum as may be arrived at by multi- plying the said sum of one hundred and twenty thousand (120,000) dollars with the percentage of the degree of disablement which is to be determined by a Medical Board to be appointed for the purpose by the Government: Provided that where a member is entitled to receive benefits similar to those provided in this item under any scheme operated by the Govern- ment of any State or under any State law, such member shall be entitled at his option to receive one benefit only.
13.
Temporary disablement benefits ap- plicable to members (other than Ministers, Assistant Ministers and Parliamentary Secretaries); (1) where an injury sustained in an accident has caused temporary disablement preventing him from engaging in, or giving attention to, his normal profess:on or occupation, subject to paragraph (2) there shall be paid a tempo- rary disablement benefit calculate3 in the manner following- (a) in the case of total disable- ment, a sum equal to the amount which, but for the said total disablement, he would have earned provided that such sum shall not exceed the rate of five hundred (500) dollars per week; or (b) in the case of partial disable- ment, a sum equal to two- fifths of the amount which, but for the said partial dis- ab'ement, he would have earned provided that such sum shall not exceed the rate of two hundred (200) dollars per week.
(2) The said temporary disablement benefit shall not become payable unless and until the sum men- tioned in paragraph (1) has been ascertained and agreed upon; and shall not be paid for a period longer than one hundred and four (104) weeks commencing from the date of the accident in which the injury causing the said tem- porary disablement was sustained: Provided that where a member is entitled to receive benefits similar to those provided in this item under any scheme operated by the Govern- ment of any State or under any State law, such member shall be entitled at his option to receive one benefit only.
Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Mr President, Sir, with your permis ion, I wish to take this oppo ~tun:ty to explain the object of the rero'ution on the Order Paper moved by the Honour- able Dato' T. H. Tan just now.
The alowances and privileges of Members of Pariament are provided for in the Scheduie to the Parliament (Members' Remuneration Act) 1960, and the object of this re-oufon is to amend that Schedu'e to p~ovide for personal accident benefits to Members of the Parliament in care they are injured, or to their dependants in case they die in an accident in the coure of, or attributab'e to, the discharge of their duties as Members of the Parliament.
Sir, Members of Parliament have to do a lot of traveling in the perfor- mance of their duties and obligations and occasionally they have to travel by air.

For theve reasons it is reason^b'e that some benefits should be granted 865 18 DECEMBER 1965 866 to them if they suffer injuries which cause permanent or temporary disable- ment .

Similarly, security should also be provided to their dependants in case they die in an accident.
The benefits are payable only if the accident occurs in the course of, or attributable to, the discharge of duties as a Member of Parliament .

This, I think, Sir, is a fair and reasonable provision.

It is foresee- able that reasonable doubts may arise as to whether a certain accident occurs in the course of duties as a Member of Parliament.

In such cases, the Govern- ment will give the benefit of the doubt in favour of the Member concerned.

to the word "accident" in this motion.


The word "accident", in so far as I could gather, is not defined under this motion.
I would seek clarification from the Honourable Minister on the point that if an accident is caused by negli- gence and carelessness of the Member concerned whether the Government will pay the compensation; I raise this point because in such an incident or accident, the Member concerned may be charged in Court and if he is found guilty, then he will be convicted and fined, or whatever it is, by the Court.
Therefore, is it necessary for the Government to pay for his carelessness The resolution provides for different and negligence?

This is important, Sir, rates for different degrees of injury and and it is not likely for the Government disablement.

Provision is also made to pay for the carelessness of a man, for payment of a percentage of these who has been convicted and fined by amounts in the case of a permanent the Court.

I would like to have a and partial injury, the percentage clarification, Sir.
depending on the degree of disable- ment as determined by a medical board.

Further, provision is also made for payment of temporary benefits in the case of temporary, total, and partial disablement.

There are two ways in which the Government can finance the scheme.

One method is to pay an annual premium to an insurance com- pany to cover each individual Member of the Parliament, and in the event of an accident, payment will be made by the Company concerned.
However, it is the policy of the Government, and this has proved cheaper in the long run, to carry its own insurance, and this is what the Government intends to do in this case.

Mr President, Sir, that is the clarifica- tion that I would give on the subject.

Datu' Sheikh Abu Bakar : Mr Pre- sident, Sir, I would like to support the motion moved by the Honourable Dato' T. H. Tan just now.
Even though the compensation seems to be rather big, I hope Members of our Honourable House will not injure themselves, Sir, (Laughter) because if there was a death caused, what is the use of getting.

the money.
the money.

- Another thing on which I would like to have clarification from the Honour- able Minister concerned is in regard Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, usul yang di-kemuka- kan oleh Dato' T. H. Tan memang sangat menarek hati dan saya perchaya boleh jadi dia berkait dengan Bill yang mengenai Perdana Menteri, Menteri2 Menteri2 Muda dan juga Parliamentary Secretaries.
Boleh jadi ada perasaan ini hati daripada Member of Parliament, jadi timbul usul ini yang meminta bahagian juga sa-olah2 merupakan satu insuran daripada Keraj aan sendiri kapada tiap2 Ahli Yang Berhormat.
Saya rasa saperti apa yang di-sebutkan oleh Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar, sa-bentar tadi pun satu daripada beberapa masa- aiah yang patut di-pertimbangkan oleh kerana walau bagaimana pun jaminan, tetapi tiap2 satu kemalangan atau katakan-llah kematian terus yang ter- libat dengan sifat yang di-katakan kemalangan, sudah tentu perkara itu akan sampai ka-dalam mahkamah, dan benar atau salah di-tentukan di-dalam mahkamah.

Bagaimana Kerajaan akan membayar kapada orang yang melaku.
kan kesalahan yang membawa kechela- kaan kapada diri-nya sendiri, sa-kali pun dia Member of Parliament.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya merasa walau pun ada negeri2 yang tertentu melakukan perkara yang saperti ini, barangk ali negeri2 itu telah j auh ma j u dan tidak saperti negeri kita yang 867 18 .

DECEMBER 1965 868 baharu hendak maj u; yang.. baharu khabar yang menyokong dan mendu menjalankan propaganda ma`amor kong pernerentah yang meny uarakan.

tetapi pengemis2.
tetapi pengemis2.

: maseh, ;berkeliaran,di- lagu2 yang sedap, kema`amoran, shurga.

Ibu Kota.

Untok menchontoh sa-suatu dan sa-bagai-nya.

Itu sahaja-lah yang yang baik kapada Ahli2 Yang Ber- di-dapati oleh ra`ayat yang kita bela.

hormat dari negeri2 yang telah maju, barangkali tidak tepat, sebab kita, kata saya-lah, harus sifatkan diri kita semua lebeh daripada ;apa yang di- katakan sa-orang politician, tetapi kita semua-nya is-lah struggle men (orange perjuangan) untok :.membena negara kita hasil.
daripada di-keroyok oleh penjajahan yang mengakibatkan, pen- deritaan dari kemiskinan dan penoh kehinaan di-dalam negara kita mi.

Sa-bagai orang perjuangan yang me- ngatakan diri-nya sedia berkhidmat untok kepentingan negara, saya rasa tidak munasabah peluang2 yang saperti ini balk sa-lekas2 kita chuba untok mendapatkan, pada hal ra`ayat yang kita.
Bela maseh jauh terlalu jauh daripada menchapai matalamat kebaha,- giaan di-dalam negara=nya sendiri: Jadi, Tuan Yang d:i-Pertua, dengan ini saya rasa boleh j ad} menimbulkan satu keadaan dalam perjuangan politik negara kita bertambah hebat walau pun betapa susah dan , berat tanggong-jawab menjadi Ahli2 Majlis Meshuarat, akan tetapi banyak orang_ ingin hendak menjadi Ahli2 Majlis Meshuarat dan sanggup berebut2 kerana peluang2 dan jaminan- yang bagini baik telah di-sediakan oleh Kerajaan.
Sa-benar-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-dalam negeri kita ini telah saya perchaya anggota2 Dewan ini pun ada yang memasoki insuran2 itu dan mereka sudah tentu berhak mendapat kerana kematian-nya, berhak mendapat kerana kemalangan-nya, berhak .Pula mendapat bahagian-nya dari segi hospital, kalau sa-kira-nya dia terpaksa berada di-hospital untok sekian2 minggu, sekian2 ratus, dan yang demi- kian saya tidak nampak mendapa usul ini di-kemukakan, terutama saperti yang telah saya.
katakan ` tadi; di-sa`at ra`ayat yang kita, beta, mereka itu-lah yang ..membayar chukai, belum men- dapat apa yang patut mereka dapat.

Kalau ada yang mereka dapat is-lah suara2 dari chorong radio dan surat2 Saya .

rasa sa-hingga keadaan negeri ini berubah, j urang yang memisahkan di-antara ra`ay.

at yang miskin.dengan ra`ayat yang kaya, jurang memisahkan ``have not" dengan "have" dapat kita dekatkan.
Saya tidak berkata ..dapat di-hapuskan, sebab tidak boleh meng hapuskan sa-kali pun dengan faham kominis, tidak boleti menghapuskan.

Maka kerana itu saya rasa lebeh balk kita _, berfikir sa-dalam2-nya sa-belum meluluskan usul ini.
Apa kata pem- bayar2 chukai sa-kali pun sa-orang ra`ayat itu miskin, sa-kotak manchis api dia membeli, dia membayar chukai dan daripada titek peloh ra`ayat yang miskin itu-lah yang kita harap akan mendapat sa-bagai bayaran kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat sedangkan mereka belum dapat memakan daging kambing, belum dapat makan mentega, b'elum dapat memakai lampu letrik belum dapat macham2 yang telah k ita dapat atau yang telah' kita rasa ni`mat dengan kerana kebetulan kits menjadi Ahli Yang Berhormat, kebetulan kita mempunyai kesempatan2 itu dan mi.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya harap Dewan ini akan mempertim- bangkan betul2 perkara ini, timbang- kan bagi kepentingan ra`ayat kita yang hampir 10 juta, yang sa-bahagian besar derita, yang mengharapkan Ahli2 Yang Berhormat.

AnQgota2 Parlimen bekerja baini muslihat kebaikan nasib mereka, tarsi kita nampak-nya lebeh dahulu hekeria untok muslihat kebaikan nasib kita dan jaminan hidup kita sendiri.

Dato' G.. Shelley: < Mn President, Sir, I rise to support the -Bill.
Mr President : This is not a Bill; it is a motion.

Dato' G. Shelley: I am sorry, Sir the motion.

I agree with the Honourable Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar that there is some vagueness about the term "accident".

To me, "accident ada sharikat2 insurance nyawa yang daripada-nya is-lah miskin dan men- 869 18 DECEMBER 1965 870 means something that is done un- expectedly or something that is done unintentionally.
Now, if a Member of Parliament makes an address in public and a section of the crowd does not like what he says and flings a chair at him, or certain other missiles thus injuring him, does that constitute an accident?

Members of Parliament have been threatened more than once in respect of their lives for saying things that others do not like.

If the threats are carried out and they are injured or killed, would they be compensated under the motion before the House?
Enche' Saidon bin Kechut : Saya juga bangun menyokong usul yang di- kemukakan oleh Yang Berhormat Dato' T. H. Tan dan sa-telah saya mendengar pendapat2 dan apa yang di-terangkan oleh beberapa prang Ahli2 Dewan ini tadi, saya rasa di- dalam soal untok memberikan apa yang di-katakan, bayaran2 kapada Ahli2 Parlimen, bagaimana yang kita semua tahu, tentu-lah dari pehak orange yang bertanggong-jawab ber- pendapat sa-telah mengkaji dan meneliti Ahli2 Yang Berhormat dari- pada Wakil2 Ra`ayat Ahli2 Parlimen sekalian-nya ada-lah orange yang betul2 menjalankan segala tanggong- jawab-nya dengan sa-chara yang tepat dan jujor yang mana mereka telah berikan sokongan yang sa-kuat2-nya di-atas apa sahaja yang di-kehendaki oleh Keraj aan bagi membena satu negara Malaysia yang aman ma`amor.
Saya ingin menyatakan di-sini, di- antara pehak Kerajaan dan juga pehak Pembangkang, Ahli2 Parlimen yang dua jurusan ini memang-lah, kalau di-katakan sa-pendapat atau sa- bahagian sahaja Ahli2 Parlimen dari pehak Keraj aan mungkin akan men- dapat keuntongan yang di-tetapkan menurut apa yang di-usulkan tadi.

Tetapi bagi pehak Pembangkang, ahli2 meshuarat-nya saya perchaya men- danat dua keuntongan.

Kalau ahh2 pehak Kerajaan dapat satu keuntongan ahli pehak Pembangkang dua ke- untongan.
Satu keuntongan dia tabu usul itu walau bagaimana di-tentang sa-kali pun akan tetap di-luluskan kerana dengan suara yang terbanyak dari pehak Keraj aan.

Satu lagi pehak ahli2 Pembangkang bermuka2 dengan ra`ayat.

Apa guna di-beri layanan yang istimewa kapada Ahli Parlimen, sedangkan ra`ayat hidup dalam ke- adaan mengemis, hidup dalam keadaan melarat.
Apa-kah dapat satu negeri pun dalann dunia ini yang benar2 telah maj a beratus2 tahun telah menghapus- kan anasir2 peminta sedekah atau pun orang menderita di-dalam negeri-nya.
Ini satu alasan yang tipis apa yang saya katakan tadi, keuntongan pehak Ahli Parlimen dari pehak Keraj aan hanya satu, tetapi daripada pehak Pembangkang, dua satu untok kepen- tingan mendapat layanan yang istimewa sa-bagai Ahli Parlimen dan sate lagi untok mendapat pengaroh daripada kalangan ra`ayat yang mana apabila mereka itu membuat pene- rangan2 nanti atau pun untok meng- gunakan kesempatan dalam pilehan2 raga nanti, mereka akan mengatakan, tenok-lah, w ak il2 tuan dan_ ppada pehak Perikatan ada-lah orang2 yang mengej ar kepentingan mereka tetapi melupakan kepentingan ra`ayat.
Saya rasa di-dalam keadaan tanggong-jawab yang harus di-perlukan kapada semua Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Dewan Ra`ayat dan Dewan Negara ini kita harus-lah berlaku jujor.

Jangan-lah chuba saperti kura2, bila terantok masok kepala dalam kulit tetapi bila namnak ada habuan di-hadapan-nya, meni ulor kepala-nya di-keluarkan.
Ini satu perkara yang patut kita fikir dan saya rasa tidak ada sebab, kerana apa, sa-bagai sa-orang Ahli Parlimen yang penoh bertangong- jawab, siang dan malam, tidak harus di-berikan layanan2 untok mereka lebeh kuat dan lebeh chergas bekerja demi kepentingan ra`ayat.

Sekian.

Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya menyokong usul yang di-bawa oleh Dato' T. H. Tan kita itu kerana ini ada-lah satu perkara yang sangat mustahak bagi Ahli2 Parlimen kita apabila terkena kemalangan.
Orange yang membang- kang usul ini ada-lah orang yang belum kena kemalangan lagi.

Pem- bangkang yang membangkang usul ini belum tahu bagaimana rasa 871 18 DECEMBER 1965 872 kemalangan, bagaimana kalau biji Rang Undang2 ini dengan membawa- mata-nya keluar , bagaimana kalau anggota-nya sudah jadi chapek dengan kan perkara lain is-itu di-bawakan perkara chorong Radio dan sa-bagai- kerana kena kemalangan , di-langgar nya dengan mengatakan yang Kerajaan kereta .

Dia tidak tahu rasa itu lagi.


Ustaz Zulkiflee daripada Parti PAS telah mati tidak dapat memberi tahu kapada pembangkang PAS ini, kerana kena kemalangan itu dia terus mati, tidak dapat menerangkan rasa-nya bagaimana dahshat kemalangan itu.

Jadi saya pun terkejut kerana dalam Dewan ini di-bangkang, dalam Dewan Ra`ayat ketua PAS sendiri menyokong serta memohon , meminta , supaya Kerajaan berikan walau pun tidak ada Perikatan ini berj anj ikan shurga dan sa-bagai-nya .
Kita belum pernah ber- janjikan shurga, yang janji shurga Parti PAS sahaja (Tepok).

Perikatan chuma berjanji kema `amoran, kebaha- giaan, kebaikan, keadilan, ini simbol kita.

mi apa yang kita suarakan dari- pada suara kita sendiri, daripada suara Kerajaan kita, daripada suara pemim- pin kita, daripada suara parti kita dan= sa-terus-nya radio dan Talivishen, ini yang di-suarakan ; shurga kita tidak undang2 berikan kapada family atau sebut, yang sebut shurga Parti Islam purl anak Ustaz Zulkiflee itu.
Jadi sa-Tanah Melayu yang memerentah saya rasa Ahli2 Pembangkang daripada Kelantan yang belum jumpa shurga satu Parti ini dia tidak berunding, dia lagi (Tepok).

tidak berfakat yang satu mahu, yang satu tidak mahu , nanti keluar Dewan beliau bergadoh sama2 sendiri.

Bagi saya perkara kemalangan ini sudah menjadi perkara yang termesti kita bantu.

Ra`ayat yang membayar wang hasil kapada negeri ini, walau dengan titek peloh pun, ra`ayat ini mengenali bagaimana dahshat kemalangan itu.
Dia tahu menghargakan Ahli2 Parli- men ini .

Dia tahu menghargakan kerja2 yang di-jalankan oleh Ahli2 Parlimen.

Kalau kerja Ahli2 Parlimen ini terkena kemalangan, sudah tentu ada peng- hargaan daripada ra`ayat .

Pemikiran ra`ayat itu tidak-lah sa -rendah bagai- mana yang di-bentangkan di-Dewan ini.

Ra`ayat tahu menghargakan, bukan ra`ayat yang tidak tahu menghargakan.
Jadi kita rasa lepas kita merdeka ra`ayat Malaysia ini lebeh cherdek daripada Ahli Parlimen daripada Pembangkang ini dalam penghargaan kapada Ahli2 Dewan , dalam harga mengenai kemalangan ini.

Jadi itu-lah saya rasa ada kesilapan sadikit, kira- nya kita bangkang usul ini , kira-nya ada Ahli2 Dewan yang membangkang usul yang sangat penting, yang sangat tinggi harga- nya, yang sangat baik penghargaan ra`ayat dan Kerajaan kapada orang yang berkhidmat kapada negara.
Saya ingat Parti Pembangkang tali tersilap , dia sebut shurga .

Jadi saya terlupa, kerana lama sudah kita tidak mendengar shurga , hari ini kita m.en- dengar shurga.

Jadi shurga ini tidak payah-lah kita sebutkan di-sini sebab tidak ada orang yang boleh memberi- kan shurga, shurga ini di-berikan oleh Tuhan sahaja.

Shurga ini bila kita mati , kalau kita buat baik baharu danat shurga , kalau atas dunia ini kalau mahu membawa shurga, ini bukan tempat shurga.
Jadi saya sokong usul ini dan soya harap pehak Menteri yang membawa usul ini menerangkan , menjelaskan, beberapa fasal yang patut yang di- suarakan oleh Dato ' Shelly kita dan juga beberapa hal yang lain yang boleh jadi berbangkit , mithal-nya, kata Dato' Shelly tadi, apabila satu orang Ahli Parlimen, tidak kira Parti Pem- bangkang atau pun parti Kerajaan, apabila dia bersharah di-depan orang ramai, orang benchi akan dia dan dia di-tembak , mithal-nya mati atau pun di-pukul mithal -nya.
Jadi ini satu perkara yang tidak siapa yang boleti.
kata, si-berchakap itu bekerja untok pekerj aan Parlimen , kerana dia ber- chakap di- depan orang ramai, dia itu Ahli Parlimen dan dia menyuarakan Dato' Yang di-Pertua , tadi sa-orang chakapan -nya itu boleh jadi dia ber- daripada Pembangkang ada menge- chakap menentang Kerajaan atau pun luarkan hujjah bangkangan di-atas boleh jadi dia berchakap itu 873 18 DECEMBER 1965 874 menyokong Kerajaan, boleh jadi dia berchakap itu menerangkan kerja2 Parlimen atau boleh jadi dia berchakap itu tidak kena-mengena dengan kerja Parlimen.
Jadi ini satu perkara yang patut mendapat penjelasan atau pun satu Ahli Parlimen mithal=nya naik motokar, dia hendak pergi tengok wayang gambar mithal-nya.

Boleh jadi rumah besar, boleh jadi mahu berbini lebeh daripada satu, jadi dia mengemis (Ketawa).

Itu ada.

Jadi itu-lah sebab- nya menjadi kesusahan bagi Kerajaan kita.
Jadi Kerajaan ma`amor, yang maju saperti Amerika di-buatkan undang2 menahan daripada mengemis sa-hingga yang mengemis terpaksa mahu mengemis juga, dia jual pensil, gambar itu gambar yang boleh mem- itu tanda mengemis, itu dia tudongkan ber pengetahuan yang lebeh kapa.da- nya untok menjadi Ahli Parlimen.

Katakan-lah cherita wayang gambar itu boleh membawakan pengetahuan, chara mengemis itu dengan menjual satu pensil atau satu manchis api, tetapi kerja-nya mengemis.
J adi dalam negeri Amerika yang bagitu maju dan yang boleh memberi khidmat-nya ma`amor, tidak ada banding dalam kapada Parlimen.

mi pun satu masa- alah jugs.


Jadi dia kena kemalangan tengah jalan hendak pergi tengok wayang gambar, tetapi wayang gambar itu ada faedah untok-nya bagi perkhid- matan-nya dalam Parlimen atau pun ada juga Ahli Parlimen kita ini kalau dia penting sangat umpana-nya, dia di-churi oleh orang kidnap mithal- nya, ada-kah orang yang kena churi itu mithal-nya juga akan mendapat layanan yang sama, di-cholek umpama- nya.
Jadi ini pun satu daripada perkara yang patut di-jelaskan oleh pehak Menteri yang membawa usul ini, yang memberi sokongan kapada usul ini dan satu lagi daripada perkara yang saya rasa terbuku, yang saya rasa patut-lah saya sebutkan di-sini nerkataan2 yang di•keluarkan oleh Ahli2 tadi berkenaan dengan pengemis.

Kerajaan kita Kerajaan yang ma`amor, bahagia, tetapi pengemis ramai Saya hendak beri tahu kapada.

Ahli Dewan ini, saya sudah pergi ka- dunia, tetapi ada pengemis.
Jadi masaalah pengemis kita tutup buku-lah tidak usah bicharakan hal mi.

Itu-fah sahaja, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, di-atas sokongan saya kapada usul yang di-bawa oleh Dato' T. H. Tan.

Sekian, terima kaseh.

Kato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Mr President, Sir, m believe the heart of the motion lies in the phrase "sustained in an accident".

"Accident" is defined in the dictionary as an event happening by chance "by chance" means unexpectedly, and it is not defined whether the accident is caused.
by negligence of the , victim or caused by somebody else.

Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar has asked whether negligence is considered as an accident.

Sir, m think it would be better if we put in another provision: we add "or by accident or in the performance of one's parliamen- tary duties"-e.g.

in a rally you might be shot at, you might be injured, and Amerika dalam tahun 1957 - negeri so on.
I suggest that if we add another Amerika ini negeri yang termashhor dalam dunia, kata negeri yang ma`amor yang tinggi darj at-nya tetapi saya pergi dalam satu negeri satu wilayah dalam Amerika saya berjumpa dengan pengemis peminta sedekah.

Itu negeri yang ma`amor ada juga pengemis.

Jadi perkara pengemis ini bagaimana Ahli Yang Berhormat tadi berkata, susah hendak hapuskan.

Ada sa-tengah2-nya dia mengemis kerana dia mahu mengemis bukan kerana dia tidak ada wang untok belanja, tidak.
Mahu chari sentence to cover everything that a parliamentarian does in ` a rally, in meetings, and so on, it will clear all doubts.

Here the words "in an accident" do not cover the performance of a parliamentarian's duties; and if an M.P.

suffers death, or injuries, such incident might not be the result of an accident, because i t is a pre-meditated act by an opponent, and cannot come under that definition.

Sir, m would like to have clarification on that point by the Minister.
875 18 DECEMBER 1965 876 Enche' Abdul Samad bin Osman: Tuan Yang di-Pertua , saya bangun menyokong usul mi.

Saya sokong bukan kerana Wang banyak , itu t idak, is-lah kerana f aedah yang akan di- dapati kapada balu Ahli2 Parlimen dan juga kapada anak2 - nya, kerana kita sa- bagai Wakil di-sini kita sendiri tidak boleh dapat.
Saya juga bersetuju dengan Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar tadi meminta-lah Menteri Yang Berhormat ini mengulas lebeh panjang lagi ber- kenaan dengan hal accident, supaya kita dapat tahu - lah apa yang termasok dalam accident itu.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua , dahulu apa- bila kita menimbangkan kenaikan elaun bagi Ahli2 Dewan Ra`ayat----dari- pada $500.00 sampai $750.40 maka Dewan ini j uga telah meminta kapada Kerajaan supaya di-naikkan elaun ,Ali Dewan ini bersama-lah beserta dengan Dewan Ra`ayat supaya di-beri dia satu taraf.
Pada masa itu jawapan Menteri Kewangan znz, dia kata, tidak dapat di-jadikan bagitu oleh sebab Parlimen kita menurut Undang2 sa- bagai Parlimen di-Britain is-lah ada dua bangunan House of Commons dan House of Lords .

Jadi kata-nya kita ini is-lah House of Lords, jadi kita ini macham Lords (Ketawa).

Tetapi di-England , Lords di-sana ada dua macham Lords satu itu Lords turun - temurun , yang kedua itu Created Lords yang di-berikan Lord .
Kita di- sini chuma -nya ada Lord yang di-buat2 "Created Lords" itu sa-orang berdua daripada Dato'2 sahaia , tetapi sa-orang Tun pun tidak ada lagi .

Sa-lain dari- pada ltu tidak ada apa-lah , ada yang datar z ka-mari daripada sepak kertas pun ada , bermacham2-la.h yang keb.a.- nvakan-nya lagi, kita ambit daripada pegawai2 yang bersara dan lain2.
Sunggoh pun ada dalam Dewan ini orange yang kaya , beberapa orang millionaire , atau sa-tengah millionaire, tetapi banyak-lah jugs orang yang miskin , boleh di-katakan papa.

Jadi saya ini salah sa-orang daripada-nya Ahli papa .
Saya memandang dengan ada-nya benefit yang akan d i-beri dengan sa-chara mati terkejut ini, maka kami Ahli2 yang miskin ini apa- bila kami berjalan dan keluar untok membuat apa2 kerja, jadi _hati seronok sadikit-lah kerana ada jaminan, sa- kira-nya j ikalau terlanggar j adi apa2 kapada kami esok , maka dapat-lah wang itu di - beri kapada anak isteri kami supaya dapat-lah budak2 belajar sekolah sa-hingga dapat bekerja dan juga-lah barangkali kami dengan Wang itu dapat membayar motokar loan, barangkali sa-tengah boleh dapat mem bayar loan rumah.
Jadi oleh sebab itu-lah nampak-nya dapat juga sa-tengah dapat -lah balu ada wang sadikit esok barangkali dia pun tidak dudok lama sudah orang lain meminta, menikah orang lain, ada peluang dia re-married .

Kalau tidak dengan duit itu harus-lah ramai balu kami itu hidup bujang sampai tua.
Kalau kedua2 Ahli wanita itu, saya berasa-lah sadikit tidak sedap hati, kerana sa -kira-nya mereka terus kena accident dan mati, suami mereka itu boleh di -katakan macham orang dapat lottery $60 ,000 dengan itu harus-lah dapat mereka menikah muda (Ketawa).

Sunggoh pun bagitu , saya perchaya, kedua2 wakil wanita kita ini tidak merasa hendak marah - lah apa boleh buat, kalau mereka sudah mati suami hendak menikah muda , nikah-lah buat mereka .
Jadi kerana itu saya perchaya- lah kedua2 wakil wanita kita ini tidak akan membangkang usul ini sa-bagai mana Wakil PAS tadi membangkang.
Tetapi sa-tahu saya kalau orang laki2 membangkang usul ini, kerana usul ini is-lah yang sa-benar2 -nya macham life insurance , kalau sa-saorang laki2 itu tidak mahu life insurance, saya berani berkata bahawa orang laki2 itu dia coati esok dia tidak mahu beri isteri dia itu menikah orang lain dan dia suka balu-nya itu menjadi papa, jadi tidak ada orang meminta-lah , dia takut kalau isteri menjadi kaya sebab orang lain meminta .
Jadi oleh sebab itu, saya bagi pehak laki2 kalau siapa betul2 tidak ber setuju dengan life insurance atau bagini, saya sangat -lah tidak bersetuju dengan perbuatan macham itu dan saya sa-kali lagi merayu kapada wanita kita kedua orang ini, Yang Berhormat, minta -lah jangan 877 18 DECEMBER 1965 878 membangkang usul ini, tolong sokong sama.

Sekian, terima kaseh.

bayaran mengikut tafsiran.


Kerajaan tidak akan memberi bantuan di-atas kemalangan ini, di-atas satu2 perkara Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: yang di-sengajakan oleh Ahli2 Yang Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mengu- Berhormat sendiri.
As an act delibe- chapkan berbanyak terima kaseh rately done by the Member, probably kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang he knows that if he loses one eye, he telah menyokong usul ini dan bia saya would get so much money, then he datang ka-Rumah ini saya tidak goes to the Hospital and says, "please sangka yang usul ini akan di-tentang take off one of my eyes" or something, oleh sa-orang sa-kali pun, kerana di- and he can see through glass eye Dewan Ra`ayat tdak ada sa-orang pun costing $4,000 or $5,000, whereas he yang menentang-nya termasok semua is go:ng to get tens of thousands of gulongan Ahli Yang Berhormat dari- dollars.
Kejadian sa-umpama ini pada PAS.

Bagaimana telah di-terangkan oleh sa-orang Ahli di-sini is-itu dia pun berasa hairan, kenapa fahaman di- rugi?

tentu-lah tdak akan mendapat ban- than atau ganti-rugi.

Hato' E. E. C. Thuraisingham: Siapa antara sa-orang daripada PAS di-sini dengan PAS di-Dewan Ra`ayat ada berlainan.

Nampak-nya perkara yang di-bangkitkan, boleh di-katakan, keba- nya'aan Ahli2 Yang Berhormat di-sini ada-lab di-atas tafsiran accident apa yang di-sebut kemalangan.
Jadi satu2 accident itu ada-fah satu perkara yang terjadi dengan tidak di-sangka2 atau pun yang tidak di-harapkan atau di- beritahu lebeh dahulu.

Ada Ahli Yang Berhormat yang bertanya sa-kira-nya jikalau satu kemalangan itu terjadi oleh kerana dengan kesalahan-nya sendiri, ada-kah dia itu patut di-beri wang atau bantuan mi.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka-lah menyatakan di-sini, kita membawa Bill ka-Rumah yang bertuah ini, bukan-lah untok menggalakkan orang membunoh diri is-itu `We don't, it is not our intention to encourage people to commit suicide' !

Jadi sudah tentu-lah kemalangan yang datang ini kema- langan yang tidak di-sangka2.

Ada juga yang bertanya sa-kira-nya, bukan-lah orang itu jatoh motokar atau jatoh kanal terhann, umpama-nya dia pergi ka-Kelantan, di-mana banuak orang bermain kapak kech il.
Oleh kerana dia menyokong pehak Perka- tan, menyokong satu2 Marti yang lain dia kena kapak kechil, oleh kema- langan itu mata-nya satu tersebok (Ketawa) atau pun tengkok-nya patch, Jadi ini pun satu accident jugga, boleh- lah sa-umpama itu Kerajaan memberi Tuan Haji Hamid Khan : Ya?

..... Hato' E. E. C. Thuraisingham: Siapa rugi?

Tuan Haji Hamid Khan: Tidak dapat ganLi-rugi jlkalau dia korek mata-nya sendiri (Ketawa).
Jadi di-atas perkara2 ma`ana acci- dent itu ada-Iah satu perkara j ikalau ada was2 perkara itu akan di-timbang oleh Kerajaan, ada-lah dia itu boleti di-tafsirkan sa-bagai accident atau tidak.

Jadi, kita ada-lah membagi satu pandangan yang luas is-itu untok menmbangkan apa2 bila satu2 kema- langan yang berlaku.

Jadi rasa saya itu sahaja-lah yang dapat saya jawab berkenaan dengan perkara2 mi.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That this House pursuant to the provisions of section 4 of the Parliament (Members' Remuneration) Act, 1960, resolves that the following amendments be made to the Schedule to that Act- Insert the following new items immediately after item 10 of the Schedule--- "11.
Death benefits applicable to mem hers (other than Ministers , Assistant Ministers and Parliamentary Secre- taries): Where death is caused by an injury sustained in an accident , occurring in the course of, or attributable to, the discharge of his duties as a Member of Parliament (hereinafter referred to as "an accident "), there 879 18 DECEMBER 1965 880 shall be paid to his dependants or, if there are no dependants, to his legal personal representatives, the sum of sixty thousand (60,000) dollars : Provided that where his dependants or his legal personal representatives are entitled to receive benefits similar to those provided in this item under any scheme operated by the Govern- ment of any State or under any State law, such dependants or legal personal representatives shall be entitled at their option to receive one benefit only.
12.
P e r m a n e n t disablement benefits applicable to members (other than Ministers, Assistant Ministers and Parliamentary Secretaries): Where permanent disablement is caused by an injury sustained in an accident and such disablement occurs within twelve calendar months of the said accident, there shall be paid to him one of the following sums-- (1) where the injury results in the loss of two or more limbs by actual separation at or above the wrist or ankle or the total and irrecoverable loss of all sight of both eyes or the loss of one limb accompanied by the loss of sight of one eye, the sum of one hundred and t w e n t y thousand (120,000) dollars; (2) where the injury results in the loss of one limb by actual separation at or above the wrist or ankle or the total and irrecoverable loss of the sight of one eye , the sum of sixty thousand (60,000) dollars; (3) where injury results i n perma- nent disaoiements other than any of those specified in (1) and (2) above-- (a) in the case of a disable- ment which totally prevents him from engaging in or giving attention to any profession or occupation, the sum of one hundred and t w e n t y thousand (120,000) dollars; or (b) in the case of a disable- ment which partially pre- vents him from engaging in or giving attention to any profession or occupa- tion , such sum as may be arrived at by multiplying the said sum of one hun- dred and twenty thousand (120,000) dollars with the percentage of the degree of disablement which is to be determined by a Medical Board to be appointed for the purpose by the Govern- ment : Provided that where a member is entitled to receive benefits similar to those provided in this item under any scheme operated by the Govern- ment of any State or under any State law, such member shall be entitled at his option to receive one benefit only.
13.
Temporary disablement benefits applicable to members (other than Ministers, Assistant Ministers and Parliamentary Secretaries): (1) where an injury sustained in an accident has caused temporary d:sablement preventing him from engaging in, or giving attention to, his normal profes- sion or occupation, subject to paragraph (2) there shall be paid a temporary disablement benefit calculated in the man- ner following--- (a) in the case of total disable- ment, a sum equal to the amount which, but for the said total disablement, he would have earned pro- v:ded that such sum shall not exceed the rate of five hundred (500) dollars per week; or (b) in the case of partial dis- ablement , a sum equal to two-fifths of the amount which, but for the said partial disablement, he would have earned pro- vided that such sum shall not exceed the rate of two hundred (200) dollars per week.
(2) The said temporary disable- ment benefit shall not become payable unless and until the sum mentioned in paragraph (1) has been ascerta ' ned and agreed upon ; and shall not be paid for a period longer than one hundred and four (104) weeks commenc'ng from the date of the accident in whi^h the injury causing the said temporary disablement was sustained Provided that where a member is entitled to receive benefits -similar to those provided in this item under any scheme operated by the Govern- ment of any State or under any State law, such member shall be entitled at his option to receive one benefit only".
881 18 DECEMBER 1965 882 BILLS THE MINISTERS, ASSISTANT MINISTERS, AND PARLIAMENT- ARY SECRETARIES (REMUNE- RATION) (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the written laws relating to the remuneration of Minis- ters, Assistant Ministers and Parlia- mentary Secretaries" be read a second time.

the motion.
Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second Enche' Tan Siew Sin : Mr President, Sir, the terms and conditions of service of Ministers, Assistant Ministers and Parliamentary Secretaries are provided for in the Ministers (Remuneration) Ordinance, 1957, the Assistant Minis- ters Act, 1960, and the Parliamentary Secretaries (Remuneration) Act, 1965, respective'y and the object of the present Bill is to amend these laws for the purpose, firstly, of providing a pension for life for a Prime Minister, when he retires, secondly, of providing medical facilities for Ministers and Assistant Ministers and, thirdly, of providing personal accident benefits for Ministers, Assistant Mini:tens and Parliamentary Secretaries, or their dependants, in case they die in an accident.
The manner in which the various laws are to be amended is set out in the three Schedules to the present Bill.

I think Honourable Members will agree that it is desirable that a man who has reached the highest political office in the land should not have to worry about his future in the matter of financial security and that no ex-Prime Minister of this country should, when he ceases to ho'_d pubic office, be put in the position of having to look for a job in order to earn a living.
This is the on'y consideration behind the pro- posal to provide an ex-Prime Minister with a pension for life.

Perhaps, I should a' co add that a pension i> paid to an ex-Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and to an ex-President of the United States of America and the practice is quite common in other democratic countries.

The Bill provides for varying rates of pension depending on the length of time a person has occupied the office of Prime Minister.
The rates are $1,000 per month for a person who has served less than three years; $1,500 per mensem for a person who has served between three and five years; and $2,000 per mensem for a person who has served for five years or more.
In regard to the proposal to provide facilities for Ministers, and Assistant Ministers, I should explain that similar facilities have not only been provided for Parliamentary Secretaries and Mem- bers of the Parliament but they have also been given the force of law in so far as these two categories of M.Ps are concerned.

In other words, these facilities are also enjoyed by Ministers and Assistant Ministers by virtue of the fact that they are Members of the Parliament.
Any payment for such pur- pose has hitherto been made from the appropriate vote.

It is, therefore, right that the position should be regularised by law for such Members of the Government.

Mr President, Sir, I now come to the proposal to provide personal accident benefits for Ministers, Assis- tant Ministers and Parliamentary Secretaries.
As Honourable Members are aware, these Members of the Government have to do a great deal of travelling in the performance of their duties and very often travelling by air is involved.

The risk of an accident is always present, though happily remote.

In addition, we are now facing Indonesian confrontation, which increases further the risk to life and limb.
For these reasons, it is considered desirable that some security to dependants shou^d be afforded in the case of death of a person who holds the office of Minister, Assistant Minister or Parliamentary Secretaries.

Similarly, in the case of injury, some relief should be granted to the incumbent.

There are two ways in which the Government can finance this scheme.
883 18 DECEMBER 1965 884 The first method is to pay an annual premium to an insurance company to cover each individual and, in the event of an accident, payment will be made by the company concerned, How- ever, it is the policy of the Government, and this has proved cheaper in the long run, to carry its own insurance, and this is what we intend to do.

The Bill provides for various rates for Ministers, Assistant Ministers and Parliamentary Secretaries.
The rates for death are different from that for injuries as should be the case.

The scale for benefits should death occur by accident is $250,000 for a Minister; $160,000 for an Assistant Minister, and $60,000 for a Parliamentary Secretary.
accident" regarding Members of Parlia- ment is not so comprehensive as the Bill that will be passed, because in section 9 of this Bill it is stated, "Where permanent disablement is caused by an injury sustained in an accident ..." but in the other one there is a limitation, i.e.

"occurring in the course or attributable to the discharge ... .

Enche' Tan Siew Sin : Sir, There is no section 9 in this Bill.

Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: I want to amend section 9 in this Bill.
Enche' Tan Slew Sin : There is no section 9.

I think you are looking at the wrong Bill.

The benefits payable in the event of Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: In the injury, on the other hand, depend Schedule.

upon the degree of the injury.

For the loss of two limbs, the total loss of sight or similarly permanent and total injury, Ministers will be paid $500,000, Assistant Ministers $320,000 and Parliamentary Secretaries $120,000.
Provision is also made for the payment of a percentage of these amounts in the case of a permanent or partial injury, the percentage depending on the degree of disablement as determined by a Medical Board.

For the loss of one limb or the sight of one eye, a payment of $250,000 will be made to Ministers $160,000 to Assistant Minis- ters, and $60,000 to Parliamentary Secretaries.
As Honourable Members are aware, a similar scheme has just been approved by this House to cover Mem- bers of Parliament who meet with an accident in the performance of Govern- ment or Parliamentary duties.

An administrative arrangement will be introduced to provide a similar cover for Political Secretaries and private individuals who are called upon to carry out Government duties.

Enche' Tan Siew Sin : There are three Schedules.

Which Schedule are you referring to?


Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Page 3, section 9.

Enche' Tan Siew Sin : There are three Schedules First Schedule, Second Schedule and Third Schedule.

Which Schedule are you referring to?

Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Second Schedule, section 9, page 3.

Because of this, I suggest that there is a limita- tion regarding one and no limitation regarding the other.
Here, in respect of our Members of Parliament, is a limitation which says "occurring in the course or attributable to the discharge of his duties as a Member of Parlia- ment".

So, if the accident occurs when he is not discharging his duties as a Member of Parliament, then the Member is not entitled to damages according to the motion that was passed in regard to the Members of Parliament.

But, here the thing is caused by an accident.

An accident is an event occurring by chance.


Besides, Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Mr "Ministers" are receiving a broader President, Sir, this Bill, which is to be definition in the accident.

They are passed, is almost similar to the motion getting more than what the Members that was passed regarding Members of of Parliament are getting.

But, if you Parliament.


I raised an issue in respect want to be fair, an amendment should of the last motion, because in that be introduced saying that "sustained motion the phrase "sustained in an in an accident or (the word "or") 885 18 DECEMBER 1965 886 occurring in the course or attributable to the discharge of his duties as a Minister", then it covers both both for us and for the Ministers.

As it is, there is a difference.


The Ministers are covered more than we are as Members of the Parliament, because we are limited by a section saying that only in the discharge of duties when accident occurs, then we are subject to this enactment, otherwise we are not.

So, I suggest that this should be altered.


In the words of the Law it should be for both Member of Parliament and for Minister: therefore, add another section "sustained in an accident or occurring in the course of attributable to the discharge of his duties as a Minister" If you put like that, it will be fair for both sides.
Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar: Mr President, Sir, before I ask for a clarification I would like to ask the Minister concerned, Sir, whether the First Schedule is amended with regard to medical facilities.

I have got this amendment here, Sir, but I do not know whether this has been included by the Minister just now.

Mr President : This amendment has already been included, and passed by the Lower House.
Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar: With regard to medical facilities, Sir, I would • like to read the second part of the amendment, viz : "Where by reason of an emergency a Minister is forced to obtain treatment (other:- than dental treatment) at a hospital not being a Government hospital, there shall be reimbursed to the Minister any sum paid by him to the said hospital in respect of the treatment".
.I would like to ask the Honourable Minister, whether in the case of Members of Parliament, other than Ministers, they will be entitled to recover the same amount because Ministers, Assistant Ministers and Parliamentary Secretaries are also Members of Parliament.

Parlimen.

Saya faham, saperti yang di-terangkan di-dalam penjelasan Bill ini, bahawa banyak atau ada negeri2 yang telah membuat saperti yang kits buat.
Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-kali lagi saya menarek perhatian Dewan ini kapada apa yang telah saya sebutkan tadi dalam membicharakan usul Yang Berhormat Dato' T. H. Tan, saya rasa tidak saperti sa-tengah orang berpendapat sudah terlambat, tetapi saya rasa terlalu awal bagi kita mem- •buat Undang2 yang saperti ini bagi maksud memberi j aminan kapada Perdana Menteri di-satu pehak dan lain2 lagi Menteri2, dan Menteri2 Muda serta Setiausaha Parlimen.
Di-dalam Bill ini, telah di-tetapkan tentang membalas jasa kapada Perdana Menteri, is-itu sesiapa yang menj adi Perdana Menteri sa-lama lima tahun, akan mendapat sekian2.

Sa-hingga kapada bayaran bulanan sa-bagai penchen, $2,000 sa-bulan, kalau men- jadi Perdana Menteri tiga tahun ka-atas atau tiga tahun ka-bawah, boleh mendapat sekian2.
Ini merupakan satu penchen atau pembayaran bersara kapada sa-orang ra`ayat negeri ini yang pada mula-nya menyatakan dia sedia berkhidmat, sedia memikul beban, memasoki parti2 politik, berjuang mengikut saloran politik dan demok- rasi bagi menchapai kedudokan menjadi Ahli Dewan Ra`ayat men- jadi Ahli Parlimen dan kemudian daripada itu, dia telah terpileh men- -j adi Perdana Menteri.
Semua-nya bermula daripada perasaan ingin ber- khidmat kapada negara dan untok khidmat itu negara telah memberi bayaran sampai $7,000 sa-bulan, sa- lain daripada kemudahan2 lain yang boleh di-dapati.
Apabila beliau ber- khidmat, sa-orang anggota itu berkhid- mat sa-bagai Perdana Menteri, enam bulan mithal-nya kurang daripada tiga tahun, dia boleh mendapat sa-jumlah Wang tiap2 bulan, boleh di-ertikan sa-lama2, sa-bagai bayaran bersara kapada sa-orang yang , telah memberi khidmat kapada negara.` Ini hanya Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-hadapan kita is-lah Bakal Undang2 mengenai apa yang :di-katakan Remuneration untok Men- teri2, Menteri2 Muda dan Setiausaha2 kapada Perdana Menteri, tidak kapada Menteri2, tidak kapada Member of Parliament yang lain.
Pada hat sa-orang yang menjadi Perdana Menteri, dia juga Ahli Parlimen.

Tidak boleh 887 18 DECEMBER 1965 888 menjadi Perdana Menteri melainkan apabila menjadi _Anggota Parlimen.

Saya kadang2 terfikir, barangkali pehak Kerajaan -- parti yang memeren- tah-merasa sangat terhutang budi kapada Yang Teramat Mulia Tengku Abdul Rahman Putra Alhaj, yang di-gelar sa-bagai Bapa Kemerdekaan, Bapa Malaysia, dan baps itu, bapa mi.
Maka, ini-lah barangkali di-bawa, di-adakan Undang2 akan memberi sudah tentu-lah lebeh lima tahun khidmat-nya akan mendapat $2,000 sa-bulan sa-bagai satu bayaran penchen di-atas khidmat sa-bagai Perdana Men- teri bagi negara kita ini.

Saya fikir barangkali tidak lama lagi Yang Ter- amat Mulia Tengku akan meletakkan jawatan.

Ini-lah sebab-nya Bill ini di-bawa dengan satu chara yang ter- istimewa.
Tentang hal pertukaran, itu tidak-lah soal, tetapi soal-nya kita akan membayar kapada sa-orang yang tadi telah saya katakan dari mina-nya telah menyatakan kesediaan berkhidmat untok negara dan saga katakan terlalu awal untok kita membuat yang saperti ini, kerana kita maseh jauh daripada apa yang sa-patut-nya khidmat kita beri kapada ra`ayat dan negara ini kita .maseh jauh !
Qleh kerana kita maseh dalam memberi khidmat kapada ra`ayat dan negara, maka terlalu awal-lah pula kita memikirkan soal memberi bayaran bersara kapada sa-orang yang menjadi Perdana Menteri yang belum pun, dalam masa-nya, dapat membuat sa- suatu khidmat yang dapat di-katakan satu khidmat yang benar2 saperti yang di-harapkan oleh ra`ayat dan negara.
Saya tidak menafikan siapa yang men- j adi Perdana Menteri telah memberi khidmat tetapi saya katakan sa-kali lagi, biar pun berulang2, khidmat yang di-beri hasil daripada kemahuan hati ingin memberi khidmat kapada negara mi.

Kalau khidmat yang akan di-jadi- kan ukoran, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

Nik.

Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya minty ta`arif khidmat yang sa-benar2-nya itu, tolong huraikan.
Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, khidmat sudah kalau kita hendak adakan definition atau pun ta`arif, sebab tiap2 orang memberi khidmat-nya masing2 dengan chara kebolehan atau kemampuan-nya atau keadaan-nya.

Buroh memberi khidmat, kalau sa-kira-nya bandar ...... Nik Hassan bin Nik Yahya: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, untok penjelasan, apa yang says soal pagi ini khidmat yang di-beri oleh Ahli Parlimen, Perdana Menteri, yang di-katakan belum sampai di-katakan khidmat.
Jadi sempadan dan had khidmat, sampai ka-mana-kah khidmat yang di-ta`arif kan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat tadi.

Bagaimana chon- toh-nya khidmat yang di-kehendaki.

Katakan-lah sa-orang Jadi Perdana Menteri, belum chukup khidmat, bagai- mana khidmat yang di-katakan chukup, bagaimana ta`arif yang di-kehendak oleh Ahli Pembangkang tali.

Bagai= mana khidmat-nya yang di-katakan chukup?


Tolong berikan butir2 khidmat yang chukup sebab kita mengkajikan undang2, jadi kalau chakap umum sahaja tidak chukup, tidak chukup apa?

Apa yang di-katakan tidak chukup itu?

Enche' Amaluddin bin Darns: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, suka saya memberi faham kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat itu.

Dalam soal khidmat tidak-lah dapat hendak di-tetapkan, oleh kerana dia tidak ada batas dan tidak ada hujong.
Sa-lama hidup kita dapat memberi khidmat sampai kita ter- baring di-tikar.

Sa-orang manusia dapat memberi khidmat dengan memberi nasihat kapada orange muda.

Jadi perkara Batas khidmat itu tidak men- jadi soap.
Apa yang saya katakan, bukan kita tidak berkhidmat, bukan Perdana Menteri kita tidak berkhidmat, tetapi kita terlalu awal memikirkan hal penchen, hal bayaran bersara, kapada siapa2 atau kapada Perdana Menteri kita sedangkan nasib ra`ayat yang kita bela, yang kita perjuangkan, yang kita ingin berkhidmat kapada mereka belum sampai kapada matala- mat, memang j auh daripada sampai sambong menyambong.

Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: (Bangun).


Enche' Amaluddin bin Darns: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak beri j alan.

889 18 DECEMBER 1965 890 Yang demikian, Tuan Yang di- di-elak daripada perkataan berkhidmat Pertua, tentu-lah akan menimbulkan sa-suatu yang saya bimbangkan.

kapada negara ini dengan memberi nyawa.


Kalau sa-kira-nya orange yang Negara kita ini ada kegiatan2 kominis saperti ini dapat di-perhatikan juga di-bawah tanah, ini tidak dapat di- nafikan dan tentu mereka akan memasokkan j arum terus menerus di-dalam negara kita ini maseh banyak orange miskin, orange tani yang maseh berchorak primitive yang belum dapat berfikir jauh.
Bagi orange yang berjalan chara kominis, kegiatan2 mereka men- oleh Keraj aan ada-kah insurance peri- badi mereka, tiap2 orang yang membuat kerj a sa-bagai berkhidmat kapada negara di-beri insurance ada pula j aminan mereka tetapi Keraj aan tidak memikirkan nasib mereka, kita lebeh dahulu memikirkan nasib orange atas, kita melupakan kepentingan orange jalankan propaganda boleh menimbul- bawah.

Ini yang saya rasa kesal.


kan kebenchian kapada Kerajaan, kapada orange yang tertentu dan sa-bagai ra`ayat, orange tani yang primitive, mungkin mereka tidak dapat berfikir panj ang, tidak sampai dengki dan hasad, tidak sampai untok meng- guling, untok menjatoh, untok menga- chau, tetapi rasa hiba dan sedeh itu akan menj elma dalam j iwa mereka.
Sebab orange yang mereka hargakan, yang mereka pileh untok memberi khidmat kerana janji2 lebeh men- dahulukan kepentingan diri sendiri daripada kepentingan orang lain.

Ini yang saya katakan pandangan terlalu awal.

Kita memikirkan, bukan menafi- kan khidmat.

Terlanj or dalam perkara ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tahu Bill ini akan di-luluskan.
Kalau sa-kira-nya khidmat Perdana Menteri akan di-bayar sa-sudah tamat tempoh khidmat-nya, anggota2 Parlimen juga memberi khidmat dan berhak untok di-pileh menjadi Perdana Menteri tidak Pula di-tetapkan, mendapat sekian2 bayaran sa-sudah dia berkhidmat sa-lama lima tahun umpama-nya, sa-kurang2-nya, dia berhak mendapat bayaran sampai mati saperti Perdana Menteri walau pun kechil.
Ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tentu akan menambah rumit, dan saya tidak-lah mengeshorkan yang saperti itu, chuma saya ingin Kerajaan memi- kirkan sa-dalam2-nya dalam menge- mukakan sa-suatu untok menjaga hati manusia, ra`ayat negara kita ini sendiri.
Pehak Polis, mithal-nya, memberi khidmat menggadaikan nyawa, tentera memberi khidmat menggadaikan nya- wa, dan banyak gulongan ra`ayat yang berkhidmat dan semua tidak dapat Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya minta Kerajaan yang telah menunjok- kan bukti mengambil berat nasib orange atas mengambil perhatian dan mengambil berat pula kapada nasib orange bawah, j aminan kapada orange bawah dan sa-bagai-nya.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan j clan itu kita akan dapat timbang rasa dan peng- hargaan yang talus ikhlas daripada ra`ayat yang tahu, bahawa mereka telah memberi penghargaan kapada orange yang betul2 berkhidmat untok kepentingan mereka, yang mereka juga mendapat hasil daripada khidmat orange yang mereka hargakan.

Sekian.
Sekian.

Dato' Haji Mohamed Noah: Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya pada mula-nya tidak hendak berchakap atas Rang Undang2 yang ada di-hadapan Majlis ini yang saya sokong pada dasar-nya, tetapi apakala mendengar huj j ah2 yang panjang lebar yang di-datangkan oleh pehak Pembangkang sa-bagai mem- bangkang usul Rang Undang2 bagi bachaan kedua ini, saga rasa terpaksa juga-lah saya bangun menerangkan sadikit sa-banyak pendapat saya atas huj j ah2 yang di-keluarkan oleh pehak Pembangkang baharu sa-bentar mi.
Saya rasa terharu hati bila dia menga- takan Rang Undang2 yang ada di-hadapan Maj lis ini, sa-olah2 di-buat oleh pehak Perikatan sa-mata2 kerana peribadi Yang Teramat Mulia Tengku Perdana Menteri yang ada pada hari mi.

Jikalau dia membacha betul2 Rang Undang2 ini tentu-lah nampak satu undang2 yang luas yang meliputi bukan-nya kapada Perdana Menteri yang ada pada hari ini, bahkan kapada beberana orang lagi Perdana Menteri yang akan datang yang akan menjadi 891 18 DECEMBER 1965 892 Perdana Menteri.
Boleh jadi harus pada satu masa saudara pembangkang kita itu Pula menjadi Perdana Menteri di-dalam Malaysia kita yang akan datang mi.

Ini satu tudohan yang berat yang di-datangkan oleh pehak pem- bangkang bila dia mengatakan, si-polan chakap-nya sa-olah2 undang2 ini sengaja di-buat oleh pehak Perikatan khas kerana peribadi Yang Teramat Mulia Tengku dan di-buat ini kerana Yang Teramat Mulia Tengku itu tidak lama lagi akan bersara daripada menjadi Perdana Menteri.
Ini satu tudohan yang berat yang rasa saya tidak patut di-diamkan dengan tidak di-jawab di-dalam Dewan yang ber- bahagia mi.

Hujjah2 yang di-bawa-nya tidak-lah bagitu tepat bila dia mengata- kan Rang Undang2 ini di-bawa ka-sini terlalu awal.

Saya pula mengatakan undang2 ini bukan sahaja di-bawa pada masa ini terlalu awal bahkan patut lebeh dahulu sudah ada undang2 yang sa-umpama mi.
Bila masa kita mendapat kemer- dekaan patut-lah Rang Undang2 umpama ini di-luluskan oleh Dewan ini supaya benda ini berjalan mengikut bagaimana perjalanan yang ada di- dalam negeri2 yang demokrasi.

Di-dalam Rang Undang2 ini ada mengatakan supaya di-beri penchen kapada Perdana Menteri dan mengikut hujjah yang di-bawa oleh pehak pem- bangkang, apa khidmat yang di-bunt oleh Perdana Menteri yang boleh melayakkan diri-nya mendapat penchen itu.

Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, untok penjelasan.
Saya tidak bermaksud saperti yang di-kata- kan oleh Yang Berhormat Dato' itu, apa kelayakan itu tidak timbol.

Saya tidak menafikan khidmat, tetapi Saya katakan terlalu awal, kerana sebab2 yang saya terangkan panjang.

Dato ' Haji Mohamed Noah: Ma`ana "terlalu awal" itu berma`ana tidak ada hormat juga-lah.
Masaalah khidmat kapada sa-suatu bangsa dan negara itu kalau kita hendak berchakap dalam Majlis ini, tentu-lah mengambil masa yang panjang tetapi mithal-nya sa- orang di-dalam Dewan ini ada mem- buat khidmat, termasok-lah saudara kita daripada pehak Pembangkang ini juga dengan sebab itu dia ada di-beri beberapa kesenangan (privileges) yang dia dapat kerana khidmat dia kapada bangsa dan negara.
Pada sa-orang Perdana Menteri sa-sabuah negara yang negeri-nya lebeh besar tentu-lah khidmat itu lebeh banyak dengan sebab berat "tanggongan".

Ada-lah perkhidmatan sa-saorang itu pada satu2 kerja yang di-tanggong-nya itu bergantong kapada perkhidmatan dia kapada bangsa dan negara.
Saya perchaya-lah perkara yang sa-macham ini tidak boleh di-kata telah terlalu awal, kerana chuba kita tengok jikalau undang2 ini di-luluskan dan di-jalankan beberapa tahun dahulu tentu-fah sa-orang daripada Ahli PAS yang telah mendapat kemalangan tidak dia tinggal bagitu sahaja, melainkan waris-nya akan mendapat saguhati daripada pehak Kerajaan dengan sebab kemalangan yang menimpa-nya.
Tetapi dengan tidak ada-nya undang2 macham ini hanya-lah yang dapat Kerajaan katakan pada hari ini "akan di-tim- bangkan".
Saya rasa tiap2 Ahli Yang Berhor- mat yang ada di-dalam Dewan yang berbahagia ini mesti menyokong satu Rang Undang2 yang saya fikir patut di-luluskan dalam Majlis ini dengan sebab rasa saya jikalau tidak ada undang2 yang sa-umpama ini, saya bim- bang kalau2 ada daripada pehak2 Yang Berhormat bila di-tawarkan menjadi Menteri dan Menteri Muda atau Par- liamentary Secretary, akan menolak memegang jawatan2 itu.
Apa akan terjadi pada sa-buah negara yang tidak ada mempunyai Menteri2 yang boleh menj alankan kerj a2, yang sanggup hendak memikul tanggongan2 yang bagitu begat, khas-nya saperti Perdana Menteri.

Jadi saya rasa tidak faham- lah bagaimana lojik-nya yang di-bawa oleh pehak Pembangkang atas menen- tang Rang Undang2 yang di-hadapan Majlis mi.

Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I rise to give my fullest support to the principles and to the provisions of this Bill.
The payment of pension is nothing new in this country.

We pay pensions to Government Servants and 893 18 DECEMBER 1965 894 we .

pay pensions.

to the Members of something new, novel or revolutionary.

the Armed.

Forces,• in recognition.. of their- services to the Country,.

particu- larly services.. rendered during • .

the best part.

of their lives.

I think, that is the t.east: the nation Gan' do..: .With regard to_ the provisions: _ for - the.

Prime Minister,., we .

have examples,.


both in the United.

: Kingdom and also in the United States, where pensions are paid to a former Prime Minister of England and a former President of the United States.

My only quarrel with the provisions of this Bill is that the sum of.
$2.,000 seems to me so very niggardly, because after all $2,000 .at the present time is not a big sum of money.. After all the sacrifices that the Prime Minister makes, after all the loads of worries and responsibilities that he carries, I think this sum could well be increased; and I sincerely hope that a day will come when an amendment to this part of the provisions will come before this House and that all Mem- bers= of the Senate would heartily agree to that amendment.
I was somewhat perturbed at the statements made by the Member from P.M.I.P His statement shows the heart- lessness of some people who wish to make themselves out to be crusaders of religion.

May be this heartlessness stems from 'the fact that no P.M.I.P.

or P.A.

S. Member of Parliament will ever be a Prime Minister of this country (Applause).

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr President, Sir, it is unfortunate that the Honour- able Member from the P.M.I.P.
has turned this issue of providing pension for ex-Prime Ministers into a political issue.

When this Measure came before the Dewan Ra`ayat, it was passed unanimously by all sections of the House, including the Honourable Members from the P.M.I.P.

benches, and I am, therefore, at a loss to under- stand why the lone Member -I believe there is only one member in the P.M.I.P.

section of this House should suddenly protest against what is a very common-place practice.
As a member of Honourable Senators have pointed out, the Measure that we are introducing in this House is not It.. is an accepted practice in the old established democracies of the free world, and I am, therefore, at a loss to understand why - the Honourable Member, who spoke against this, should get so hot under the collar.

In fact, when this Bill came before the Lower House, an Honourable Member from the Socialist Front actually said that wehave not gone far enough.
He proposed that we should not only give pensions to an ex Prime Minister, but we should 'give pension to all Members of Parlram^nt, (Laughter).

This suggestion came from an Honourable Member from 'the Socialist Front.
As I" pointed out already, it' is, I think, very undesir- able T think every fair minded person in this country would subscribe "ta this belief for a person, who his wfelded such enormous power, who has' had great responsibilities thrust upon 'him in performing the office of 'Prime Minister of Malaysia, havirig to worry, in case he is not a man of substantial private means, about his economic future should he have to retire one day; and even Prime Ministers have to retire one day unless, of course, they die in harness.
I should "think, therefore, this principle is ver`y' non- controversial because, as I hive said, it is nothing new or novel, and I am inclined to agree with the :last Honourable Member who spoke that, perhaps, the P.M.I.P.

people are taking a very short and narrow view in the belief that no member of that Party is ever likely to reach this high office.
Any way I am glad to see that this Measure is welcomed by every section, all Members of this House except that particular Member, and I think it is also clear that this Measure has ;beenk accepted by the whole country.

I should add, probably, a note- of confidence, if I may say so, that this proposal, in fact, originally came from me in the Treasury.

When I' drafted this Bill and nut it before the Cabinet for the first time.
the Prime Minister; in fact, instructed that it should not go forward because he felt that it might be misconstrued by his political 895 18 DECEMBER 1965 896 opponents any way it has been mis- construed by one Honourable Member of this House .

However, the Cabinet felt that this not only, as the Honour- able Member, Dato' Haji Mohamed Noah has pointed out, is meant for a particular person, but is meant for all the Prime Ministers who would succeed the present Prime Minister.
This is not to occur in the course of official or parliamentary work.

This is a deliberate decision, but I think it is a fair one under all these circumstances.

I think Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok also asked why we should make this differentia- tion not only in the matter of medical facilities, but also in the matter of payment of death benefits or injury a temporary measure .
It should be a benefits and ...... permanent feature of the political life of this country, and the Cabinet, therefore , felt that this Measure should go forward, because it was not meant for any particular individual but because it was right in itself.

The Honourable Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok has asked why we have differentiated in our treatment between members of the Government like Ministers , Assistant Ministers and Parliamentary Secretaries on the one hand and the other M.Ps.
on the other in the matter of the provision of medical facilities.

I agree that there is this differentiation, but I think the Honourable Member will also appre- ciate that there is a difference between the Members of the Government and the M.Ps.

who are backbenchers.

Mem- bers of the Government are full-time officers of the Government in the sense that they are on duty 24 hours a day.
To quote a little instance: it is possible, for example, for a Minister, or an Assistant Minister, or a Parlia- mentary Secretary to, say, take a holiday in Port Dickson, and in the course of his holiday he could be assasinated.

Well, if we have this limitation that such death benefits would only be paid in the course of parliamentary duties, it is open to question whether in such a case the benefit should be paid; it is clear under any laws of equity that such a benefit should be paid.
In the case of Members of Parliament who are after all ' only part-time members of the Government.

I think ' the circumstances are quite Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Not me Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar.

Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar : My point is with regard to these medical facili- ties.

I have said that because of an emergency, the same remarks applic- able to a Minister may apply to Members of Parliament in case of emergency, not otherwise that is my point, Sir.
Enche' Tan Siew Sin: I do not think, Mr President, Sir, that Members of Parliament are exactly in the same cate- gory as Members of the Government.
I think that although there may be cases in which Members of Parliament could justifiably be entitled to medical facilities, even though they are not in the course of duty, such contingencies are happily very remote, and I think the Ministers are in a different category, because they are full-time members of the Government; and the same thing, of course, applies to the other facility of death or injury benefits.

Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

'Bill considered in Commi^tee'.

(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses I and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

First Schedule ordered to stand part different.

They attend to parliamentary of the Bill.

duties for only part of their time and, therefore, we felt that, although originally it was the intention, in so far.
as ordinary Members of Parlia- ment are concerned, benefits should only be payable if death or injury were Second Schedule Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Mr Chairman,' Sir, after hearipg the explanation of the Minister concerned, I think the 'Ministers should be fully, 897.

18 DECEM BER 1965 898 pre-meditation.

the motion.

protected by law.

Now, as it is in this Bill, they are not fully protected by law from the legal point of view.
In every one of these death benefits, the phrase "sustained in an accident" occurs.

That phrase has its limitations because "accident" is an event hap- pening by chance.

Supposing there is premeditation, which this Schedule does not cover, then the Minister concerned does not get the benefit, because premeditation is not by chance.
So, I thought just now of suggesting, and I now do suggest that we work out another phrasing to cover pre-medita- tion, so that Ministers, if they are murdered, could be covered because they are always on duty.

So, I would like to add the words "or occurring in the course of, or attributable to, the discharge of his duties as a Minister", because the Minister is on duty twenty- four hours a day.
So, if you have the word "or" then it covers As it is, it does not, and it is liable to legal interpretation of "Chance" only and not pre-meditation.

I do not know what is the view of the legal experts on this, but I do suggest, if we want to protect our Ministers we must do better than having this phrase "sustained in an accident".

We have got to rephrase it in such a way it covers pre-meditation.

Thank you, Sir.
Thank you, Sir.

Enche' Tan Siew Sin : Mr Chairman, Sir, first of all, I take it that the Honourable Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok talks of pre-meditation.

It does exclude pre-meditation on the part of the member of the Government concerned.

In other words, it excludes suicide, and.

I agree that in the case of suicide, the dependants will not be entitled to the benefit of this payment.
But, if a Minister or a member of the Govern- ment referred to in this Bill is assas- sinated, there is no, question that his dependants would be entitled to these death benefits there is no question at all.

Enche' Tan Siew Sin : Mr- Chairman, Sir, according to our legal advisers; this wording is adequate, and 1 think it will be safe to abide by the advice of the legal advisers.

Question put, and agreed to.

Second Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

part of the Bill.
part of the Bill.

Third Schedule ordered to stand Bill reported without amendment read the third time and passed.

THE TURNOVER TAX (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sire I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Turnover Tax Act, 1965" be read a second time.
Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr President, Sir, in my Budget speech of 17th November, l stated that the Govern- ment had decided to convert the exist- ing turnover tax from a multi-stage to a single stage tax with effect from 1st January, 1966, by limiting the scope of the tax to the sale of imported goods only.

The purpose of this Bill_ is, therefore, to amend the Turnover Tax Act, 1965, in order to implement this proposal.
The various amendments proposed are contained in the Schedule to the Bill and, as these amendments appear to be somewhat complicated.

I shall touch upon the salient points of this single stage tax, so that such amend- ments may be more easily understood.

The tax will be levied on moneys receivable from the sale of goods imported into Malaysia, but where such goods are not immediately sold but are processed or manufactured in Malaysia for subsequent sale, the tax will apply only to .
that part of the sale proceeds which relate to the imported content of the goods; and Kato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Mr this liability to tax also includes the Chairman, Sir, may T ask then, there- imported contents of goods going into fore, the word "chance ".. be defined the manufacture of pioneer products 899 18 DECEMBER, 1965 900 Where goods imported into the country are subsequently exported to another country, no tax will be levied on such sales.
The sales of goods manufactured in one component part of Malaysia and imported directly or indirectly, e.g.

via Singapore, into another component will be exempted from tax in the hands of the importer in that other component.

Proceeds from other activities, which are charge- able to turnover tax under the existing multi-stage tax, will no longer be liable to this tax from the year of assessment 1966 onwards.
Under the existing multi-stage tax, the rate of charge is % of the taxable turnover, but under the single stage tax the rate has been increased to 2% thereon.

Where any goods are manufactured or processed in Malaysia, and such manufactured goods sold.

consist partly of imported goods, it is necessary to determine that part of the sale moneys appropriate to the impor ted content of the goods, and to levy on those moneys only and not on the entire sale price.
The moneys chargeable shall be such proportion of the total sale price as the c.i.f.

value (including customs and excise duty) of the imported part bears to the total cost (including such duty).

In other words, if an article costs $10.00 and the c.i.f.

value of the imported part was $5.00 then if the total sale price was $16.00, the taxable turnover would be 5/10 of 16, i;e. $8.00 Under the multi-stages tax, a: turn- over of $36,000 or less a year is exempted from tax, but since the tax.
is only on the moneys receivable from the sale of imported goods, and since most of these importers are generally large businesses, it is :unlikely that the turnover will be less than $36,000 ° a year.

The exemption is therefore being repealed.

The other amendments are conse- quential in nature, in view of the change in the scope of the tax, and others arise from the separation of Singapore.
Details of the tax can also be found in the Explanatory State- fnent at the end of the Bill, and I need not therefore elaborate further on them`.

Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, as Chairman of the Chinese Chambers of Commerce, I would like to say, first of all, that the Chinese commercial community supports in principle this form of taxation.
The Chinese Cham- bers fully realise the Government's need of finding additional revenue tc cope with the enormous spending on account of the Indonesian Confronta- tion and on account of the Develop- ment Plans.

The Chinese Chambers, however, only ask for a patient hearing of the difficulties which beset the commercial community arising- from the interpretation of the provisions of this Bill.
In the first place, the Chinese Chambers feel that there are good reasons for the Government to give further earnest consideration to their suggestion that it is inequitable to collect this tax on the basis of the previous year's turnover.

In the first place, the merchant might well have incurred a loss in respect of his pre- vious year's turnover.

Secondly, importers in particular often work on a margin of much less than 2%.
If the basis of assessment is on previous year's turnover, then the importer has to pay tax at a rate higher than his margin of profit with the additional possibility of having incur red a loss.

I believe, Sir, it is a generally accepted principle not to apply taxa- tion with restrospective effect.
Could the Government then not apply this turnover tax from 1966 onwards collecting the tax on the basis of actual import prices after the payment of duty to the Customs and after adding the generally accepted formula to provide the margin of profit?

Sir, I believe it is not the intention of the Government to impose any undue hardship through taxation.

Sir, I plead, on behalf of the Chinese Chambers, that patient and careful hearing be given to their representations.
I say main that the Chambers are always willing to pay tax.

May the Govern- ment make the process of payment as simple and as painless as possib'e.

Enche' S. U. K. Ubaidnllah: Mr President, Sir, I would like to pay a tribute to the Honourable the Minister 901 18 DECEMBER 1965 902 of Finance.
He has won the admiration of all, when in his Budget proposals he dropped, with the same boldness with which he announced the crown cork duty, capital gain tax and brought the turnover tax from % multi-stage to 2% single stage.

These tax changes reaffirm people's faith in his ever- willingness to listen to reasonable and workable suggestions.

Indeed, the Honourable Minister gave such assur- ances, when he announced these taxes and he kept them well.
Sir, in the same spirit and hope, the commercial and manufacturing com- munity have a few constructive suggestions to offer with regard to turnover tax.

My Honourable friend, Dato' T. H. Tan, has just now put them very ably.

As he has said, the trading and manufacturing community has accepted 2% turnover tax at single stage as a fair share of their national burden.

What now makes one unhappy is the technique of collecting this 2% turnover tax.
The good principle of taxation would be that any taxation should be equitable, easily understood and easily administered.

The proposed method of collecting 2% turnover tax on sale point is con- sidered by and large a measure that would cause some hardship.

What greatly concerns us is the basis of assessment.

This is not a tax on profit, but a tax on sales and the implementa- tion of the assessment of liability on a preceding year basis at a high rate of 2% is not equitable.
As a tax on sales, we contend that this should be levied on a current-year basis, This is the only basis on which fluctuations in the rate of tax can be recovered and it is our belief that it is the intention of the Honourable Minister that the tax be passed on by an increase in the ultimate sale price.

Sir, we would pre- fer to see this levied at the point of entry and collected by Customs on a valuation applied by the Customs in the normal way in assessing uplift to arrive at the open market value.
Such a tax would, of course, only be levied on goods imported for sale and not on goods imported by non-traders for their own use, or by traders for use in fixed assets in their trade.

To differen- tiate is not impracticable, as has been suggested.

We think it is fair to say that the Customs have built up over the years a fairly comprehensive know- ledge of the trading activities of most importers and could clearly differen- tiate between imports for sale and other imports.
Sir, the United Chambers of Com- merce have never suggested that imports not for sale should be subject to tax.

Sir, if this proposal is not acceptable, then we urge that the tax be collected monthly, quarterly, or half-yearly, in arrears, on a current year basis of actual sales.

Sir, much play has been made that this would place a mormidable burden on the trader in the maintenance of extra records and the possible expenses of dealing in accounts to extract figures.
This is not so, as the majority of traders, on whom the burden of this tax will fall, already maintain monthly records of sales; and if.

the current year basis is introduced it will present no problem for them to maintain the necessary records which will allow prompt submission of their returns for assessment of turnover tax.

Any adjust- ment for bad debts could quite easily be made annually in the return for the period ending December or even at a later date.
Sir, the adoption of this current year bais will allow collection throughout the year, and, while ensuring a steady income to the Treasury, will also allow the importer to spread his payments over the year even with this spread, in many cases, he will be paying tax before he has in fact been paid by the buyer for the goods.
Sir, it is a more formidable job to dig into the past and extract over one year the breakdown of sales of imported goods as distinct from those of Malayan manufacture as in the past and it is highly unlikely that any differentiation between imported goods and Malaysian manufactured hoods has been maintained in the trading com- munity.

This is indeed a burden and will lead to expenses which can readily be avoided if the current year basis is 903 18 DECEMBER 1965 904 accepted now.
Sir, if it is considered They are prepared to pay the 2% utterly unreasonable to saddle traders tax levied on all imported goods at and their accounts with a vast amount the point of entry using the services of extra work of compiling monthly of the Customs Department for collec- and quarterly returns, then it is even more unreasonable to saddle them with the vast amount of work involved in research over the past years' accounts.
Finally, Sir, as Dato' T. H. Tan has made an appeal, I would like to join with him and also say that we would like to thank Mr Varty, the Comp- troller-General of Income Tax, for his kindness in taking time off to explain to the commercial and manufacturing community the various points with regard to the turnover tax.
The United Chambers of Commerce, which is the national body of the country, has received representations from all its constituent Chambers to appeal again to Mr Varty, the Comptroller-General of Income Tax, and through him to the Honourable Minister of Finance, to reconsider some of the points which they would like to discuss with them.

I hope fervently that, as a result, a very acceptable form of levying this tax will be arrived at and the commercial community would be happy to pay the two per cent.
turnover tax.

Mr President : Persidangan ini di- tempohkan sa-hingga pukul 2.15 petang.

Sitting suspended at 1.00 p.m.

Sitting resumed at 2.15 p.m. (Mr President in the Chair) THE TURNOVER TAX (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Debate resumed Dato' Y.. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, I agree wholeheartedly with what was said by my colleague Dato' T. H. Tan.
At an emergency meeting of the Selangor - Chinese Chamber of Com- merce held on the 17th December, 1965, the members were unanimous in their support of your 2% turnover tax at source.

All of them hailed such new tax as fair and that this money is necessary for .

the defence of the country.

tion even if they could not eventually dispose of all their imported goods and even if there might be bad debts later on.
Sir, you may say that this is not possible since you have international obligations and regulations on the collection of customs duties.

But surely Sir, a way can be found to allow easy collection of this tax at source.

The merchants are apprehensive of the method of collecting the 2% turn- over tax as proposed.

For instance, some rice dealers will have to pay about $400,000 on the 2% tax based on the importation for 1965.

All these rice dealers do not make 2 % profit on the overall rice dealings.
All rice dealers are compelled by law to purchase a certain percent of local rice in relation to their imported rice and these were purchased at a loss.

Also there will be confusion of accounts between dealers and dealers.

Another illustration is of manufac- ture of local sauce.

In the process of manufacturing, part of the raw ingre- dients required is imported directly, others are imported goods purchased locally and there are also those produced locally.
All these compounds are required to produce the sauce.

Before the announcement of the implementation of the single tax at source, they believe that no firms have ever recorded these charges separately for the portion of goods imported nor those purchased locally.

If the method of implementation as prescribed by the Government, is adopted to levy tax according to the 1965 trading accounts, great difficulties may ensue.
I therefore, appeal to the Honour- able the Minister of Finance that the tax as from the 1st January, 1966, be 905 18 DECEMBER 1965 906 levied at source i.e.

that the tax be collected at the point of entry.

Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Mr president, Sir, I rise to support this Turnover Tax (Amendment) Bill.

I am proud that our democratic Govern- ment has listened to the voice of the people.
After all, democracy is an acceptance of the majority will of the people, and the Government has heeded the request and the multi-stage turnover tax has been amended to a single stage tax at source.

From reading this Bill, I understand that it shall come into force on the 1st day of January, 1966.

I think it fair that if it shall come into force on the 1st day of January, 1966, taxation should also come into effect on that day 1st January.
After all, Sir, if you want the milk, you must look at the cow and see what the cow is fed on, what type or quality of milk you can get from that cow, and whether you can look after the cow well enough.

If you are a farmer, and if you want only your fruits and never take care of the trees, your trees will not be producing the type of fruits that you require: or if you are an apiarist and you only think of the honey and not of the bees, then you will not be getting the product that you want very badly.
I think our Government is wise in heeding the voice of the people, and, in this instance, I think it is fair that taxation should begin on January 1st, 1966, because it will be fair to the traders, so that they could put up proper accounts to the Government in respect of their trading.

The tax could be collected on a month-to-month basis, so that taxation will be very easy.
The text of the speech which was given by the Minister of Finance reads: "This tax will now be levied on the actual value of sales of imported goods other than those re-exported.

In case an importer does not immediately sell such goods but processes or manufactures such goods for subsequent sale, the tax will apply only to that part the sale proceeds which relate to imported content of the goods.

All other business transactions will therefore, cease to be liable to turnover tax from next year."
From this, we can see that the Finance Minister has great sympathy for the trader he is right to have this sympathy because he is a democratic Minister of Finance.

He says that the tax will only apply to that part of sales proceeds which relate to the content of the goods.

But it must be remembered that we pay tax on importation, then we pay a tariff tax on importation, and then we pay a tax at source, i.e.
a sales tax: first you pay importation tax; then you pay a tariff tax; and then again you pay a sales tax, which means that there are three taxations there.

It is difficult for the businessman to pay so much at a time.
So, I implore the Government and the Minister of Finance to see whether this Government could find a way to lighten the burden of the businessmen in respect of the payment of this type of taxation, because the businessman has got to pay three times importa- tion tax, tariff tax, and sales tax.

If he could do it, I think it will be of benefit to the country in that we will have more businessmen trading, we will get more taxation, turnover would be better, and we get more money.

(Applause).
(Applause).

I hope that the Minister of Finance will think over this matter carefully.

Thank you Sir.
Dato' J. E. S. Crawford : Mr Presi- dent, Sir, in rising to support the Bill to amend the Turnover Tax Act, 1965, I must say that I am most astonished to hear what is said by many Honourable Members, who formerly in this House strongly urged the Honourable the Minister of Finance to change the turnover tax from a multi- stage tax at the rate of % to a single stage tax on import at a higher rate -I believe the rate of 2% was mentioned.. Now, Sir, that the Minister of Finance has introduced an amendment on the Turnover Tax Act, 1965, on the lines suggested, many Honourable Members appear to foresee as many difficulties as they did when the original Turnover Tax was introduced.
Therefore, Sir, my sympathies lie with the Honourable Minister of Finance, and I have great pleasure in lending my full support to the present Amendment Bill now before the House.

Thank you, Sir.

907 18 DECEMBER 1965 908 Enche' Tan Siew Sin : Mr President, that is to imports which are not sold Sir, the last Honourable Member, in imports for example which are made fact, has put the point very well.

As and meant for the personal consump- Honourable Members of this House tion of the importer himself.
Now, the will recall, when the original multi- advantage of this particular tax is stage turnover tax was proposed, nearly every Chamber in this country sug- gested that the Government should instead levy a single stage turnover that it will only be levied or will only be applied to imports which are sold as well.

I think that is a very big difference there, and this tax will tax at a higher rate.

That is exactly therefore exempt those who import for what the Government has now done.
their own use or for their own con- Now, the same businessmen are sumption.

Also I am not sure that all proposing that we should do some- the businessmen in this country want thing else, and I am sure if we are to straight import surcharge.

For example, fall in with the wishes at the next a few days ago I received a deputation Budget, they will say that this is not from the National Association of desireable and we should do something Manufacturers and they were honest else instead.
I think the trouble with enough to admit to me that opinion in this tax is not so much that it is in- their Chamber was evenly divided.

convenient but that those businessmen Some people preferred the present do not want to pay any taxation at all.

I have come to this conclusion because, otherwise, I cannot understand why they should object to the very proposal measure, some people preferred a measure based on import.
It will, there- fore, be seen that whatever we do, there will be advantages and disadvan- which they suggested only some time tages, and I am sure that if the Govern- ago.

Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Loll: Mr President, Sir, it has been stated that they are willing to pay tax, and not unwilling to pay tax.

Enche' Tan Siew Sin : Mr President, Sir, it is a strange sort of willingness to object to the very proposal which you yourself proposed only a few short months ago.
It is not a factor, as is suggested by one or two Honourable Members to levy tax on a current year basis, because it is obvious that if the tax is collected in 1966 there must be a standard of measurement, and the standard of measurement must be imports made in 1965, because otherwise, Honourable Members will appreciate, no tax will be payable in 1966 at all, and the Government will have to wait until 1967 before it could collect the tax.
It will, therefore, be seen that it is not really practicable to levy the tax on a current year basis.

This is not an import duty, it is a turnover tax, and a turnover tax can only be levied on sales.
The other disadvantage of a straight import sur- charge, or an import duty, is that it would be applicable to all imports, ment were to switch to the proposal which has been made in this House by a number of Honourable Members, other objections will be put forward, other disadvantages will be seen to be apparent, and then they will suggest that we should do something else instead.
I therefore, suggest to Honour- able Members that they should give this Measure a trial and, if there are any minor points of implementation about which they are unhappy, they can always have a chat with the Comp- troller-General of Inland Revenue.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the chair) Clauses 1 and 2 .


ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.

909 18 DECEMBER 1965 910 THE INCOME TAX LAWS (MALAYSIA) (AMENDMENT) (No.

2) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend further the laws relating to income tax of Sabah, Sarawak and the States of Malaya" be now read a second time.
Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Enche' Tan Siew Sin : Mr President, Sir, the purpose of this Bill is to amend further the Income Tax Ordinance, 1947, of the States of Malaya, the Income Tax Ordinance, 1956, of Sabah and the Inland Revenue Ordin- ance, 1960, of Sarawak, in order to implement the proposals announced in my Budget speech of 17th November, 1965 relating to income tax.
The opportunity is also taken to make minor amendments to streamline the operation of the existing legislation.

In my Budget speech, I stated that the abatement of the rates of tax in respect of the first $50,000 of charge- able income derived in Sarawak and Sabah would be reduced from 40 per cent.

to 30 per cent.

with effect from 1st January, 1966, in respect of Sarawak and 1st July, 1966, in respect of Sabah.
In order to give effect to this proposal, the respective income tax laws of Sabah and Sarawak have to be amended, and this has been done in paragraph 3 of the First Schedule of the Bill in respect of Sabah and in paragraph 2 of the Second Schedule in respect of Sarawak.

I also stated that, in order to encourage investment in new planting in Sabah, the existing provision relating to capital depreciation in Sabah would be amended to bring it into line with the existing provisions in the States of Malaya.
In Sabah, capital expenditure incurred on new planting may be 1965.

Paragraph 1 of the First Schedule to the Bill effects this amendment.

The opportunity is also taken in this Bill to transfer the power of exempting any person or class of persons from income tax from the Dewan Ra`ayat to the Minister of Finance.

Such exemption will be made by the Minister of Finance by means of an order which will have to be laid before the Dewan Ra`ayat.
The latter will have the power to revoke the order, wholly or in part, at a meeting of the Dewan Ra`ayat at which the order is laid or at its next meeting.

The transfer of this power is considered reasonable as in most cases these exemptions are purely routine in nature and considerable administrative delay is experienced at the moment in waiting for the Dewan Ra`ayat to convene before any exemp- tion can be approved.
I should emphasise that if the Dewan Ra`ayat considers that any decision of the Minister should be revoked, it still has the power to do so, when the order is laid before it.

The other amendments incorporated in the Bill are minor and technical in nature and are designed to redefine Federal tax as excluding tax paid in Singapore after 1965 and to make clear the position of companies becoming resident or ceasing to be resident in the States of Malaya during the year.
Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Mr President, Sir, I rise to support this Bill.

However, Sir, my intention is to encourage the growth of Sabah and Sarawak by the employment of women in the services, because Sabah and Sarawak are short of manpower/ womanpower.

If you have this income tax, you would tax the incomes of the wife and the husband together and the husband has got to pay more income tax on it.
However, if you tax them separately and thus allow the wife to pay her own income tax and the husband to pay his own income tax, written off in ten years, whereas in the you would encourage the women to States of Malaya such capital expendi- come forward to do public service and ture may be written off in two years.
to be employed, so that Sabah would The ten-year depreciation period in have more of the female population Sabah will now be reduced_ to two doing work for the good of the years with effect from 1st January, Government.

In that way it would 911 18 DECEMBER 1965 912 encourage the Sabah people, the women folk especially, to come out and work, so that they can help the Government to function.
As it is, following Malaysia, you would tax the husband and the wife together and they have got to pay more income tax on it.

So, I think that in the case of Sabah and Sarawak the Government should consider whether they should have separate income tax for the wife and the husband.

Thank you, Sir.
Thank you, Sir.

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr President, Sir, I do not know what prompted the Honourable Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok (Laughter) to make this request because, if he had been attentive to what was reported in the press lately about Sabah and Sarawak, he would have noticed that the Chief Minister of Sarawak told the Budget Meeting of his State Legislative Assembly that but for Malaysia the Sarawak Government would have to tax the people of Sarawak 20 times greater than what they are paying now.
I therefore, feel that the Borneo States have been extremely generously treated not only in the matter of Development Funds but also in the matter of taxation.

Sir, it will be appreciated that even with this amendment the people in Sarawak and Sabah would still be paying 30% less income tax than the people of the States of Malaya.

First Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Second Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Third Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.


Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.

THE EXCISE (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend The Excise Act, 1961" be now read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second.


Enche' Tan Siew Sin : Mr President, Sir, Honourable Members will recall that in my Budget Speech of 17th November, 1965, I stated that, in order to give more freedom of action to our own tobacco growers, who are now handicapped, in that they can sell their produce to only licensed dealers, it was intended to remove such restriction, so that growers could secure the best prices possible by selling to the highest bidder.
I also mentioned at that time that when the appropriate legislation has been amended to this effect, the present licence fee of $240 per annum charged for a dealer's licence will be In the matter of indirect taxation, abolished.

i.e.

the import duties and rates of The Bill before this House seeks to Customs duties in the Borneo States, amend the Excise Act, 1961 accord- they have still not been fully harmo- ingly, so that tobacco grown in the nised with those in Malaya.
I therefore, Federation will no longer be subject to feel and I am sure-that every fair minded person in this House and out- side will agree that the people in the Borneo States are getting an extremely fair, if not generous deal from Malaya.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) the payment of excise duty.
The manufacture of tobacco will continue to be licensed as usual and the Excise Act is amended to confer power on the Minister to impose excise duties on cigarettes manufactured in the Federation.

The amendments relate in particular to Part VI of the existing Excise Act, 1961, pertaining to the collection of excise duty on tobacco and dealings in tobacco grown in the Federaion.
Honourable Members will note from Clause 5 of the Bill that Part VI of the Clauses I and 2 ordered to stand Excise Act, 1961, is to be removed part of the Bill.

in tow.

The other amendments to the 913 18 DECEMBER 1965 914 Bill are consequential to the decision not to restrict tobacco growers in the sale of their products and the abolition of the excise hitherto imposed on home- grown tobacco and uncured leaf tobacco.

Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 8 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.

THE SUPPLEMENTARY SUPPLY (1965) (No.


2) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tao : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to apply sums out of the Consolidated Fund for additional expenditure for the service of the year 1965 and to appropriate such sums for certain purposes" be now read a second time.

the motion.
the motion.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second Dr Ng Kam Poh : Mr President, Sir, Clause 2 of the Bill seeks authority for additional expenditure of $35,557,365 for the service of the year 1965, and this is shown in the Schedule to the Bill and also in the supply expenditure section of the Second Supplementary Estimates of Expenditure 1965, tabled as Command Paper No.

36 of 1965.
36 of 1965.

Of the sum required, as additional expenditure an amount of $20,542,012 had been advanced from the Contingen- cies Fund to meet urgent expenditure and this has now to be recouped.

It will be observed that out of the total sum of $58,823,069 included in this supplement, a sum of $23,265,704 is required to meet the cost of financing charged expenditure services which are not, of course, included in the Supple- mentary Supply Bill.
The items of charged expenditure are fully explained on pages 4, 5 and 6 of the Treasury Memorandum tabled as Command Paper No.

37 of 1965.

In the Supply Section of this Supple- ment, the biggest item of expenditure is in respect of Head S. 19, Education Grants and Subventions, under which a sum of $12 million is required as a contribution towards recurrent expendi- ture in respect of the States of Malaya students studying in the University of Singapore for the years 1962-1964.
Head S. 25, Contributions to Statu- tory Funds, requires a supplement of $7.8 million of which $4.8 million is required for increasing the amount in the State Reserve Fund, so that pay- ment could be made to certain States which were in deficit during the years 1961-1964.
Another sum of $3 million is required for increasing the amount in the Supplies Department Trading Account to $68 million since the existing amount, has proved to be insufficient in view of the larger stock that has to be held on account of Malaysia and the prevailing security situation.

With this amount, the Account's limit will be raised from $65 million to $68 million.
Head S. 34, Royal Malaysia Police, requires a sum of $3.8 million of which $1.8 million is for supplementing the Secret Service Vote and $1.7 million for Personal Emoluments and Allow- ances for the Sarawak Auxiliary Constabulary, the cost of emergency works and equipment and the cost of security fencing and lighting of police stations.
Head S. 33, Ministry of Home Affairs, requires a sum of $2.8 million, of which $2.5 million is required for emergency regrouping in Sarawak, and $0.2 million for providing financial assistance to fishermen affected by curfew orders.
Head S. 24, Treasury General Services, requires a sum of $2.8 million, of which $2.7 million is meant to cover the cost of miscellaneous services rendered by the Singapore Government on behalf of the Federal Government for the period 16th September, `1963 to 31st December, 1964. a<< 915 18 DECEMBER 1965 916 Head S. 39, Commissioner of the then Honourable Minister of National Registration, requires a sum of $1 million to supplement the existing votes under Personal Emoluments, Other Charges Annually Recurrent and Other Charges Special Expenditure as a consequence of carrying out a re- registration scheme in Sarawak and to meet the payment of arrears of salaries and allowances arising from the revision of salary scales and housing allowances for permanent and tem- porary clerks.
Head S. 7, Prime Minister, requires a sum of $0.6 million to meet, among other things, the additional cost of official presentations consequent upon the overseas visits made by His Majesty, the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister, rental and maintenance charges of Rumah Per- sekutuan in Jesselton, expenses in connection with the birthday celebra- tion of His Majesty, the celebration of the second anniversary of Malaysia, expenditure on the National Memorial, National Mosque, and reimbursement to the International Bank for Recon- struction and Development for expenses incurred by the Rueff Mission.
Head S. 12, Overseas Service Aid Scheme, requires a sum of $0.5 million Health, Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Taiib, in his case against the Honour- able Enche' D. R. Seenivasagam and Enche' Abu Bakar bin Ismail.

The other items of expenditure in the second supplement, which have not been singled out by me, are relatively small in amount and these are des- cribed in the Treasury Memorandum mentioned before.
Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Mr President, Sir, it is indeed a great surprise that the Lower House gave sanction to the expenditure of $35 million, in excess of the expenditure sanctioned by the Supply Act, 1965, because we have spent more than we have estimated.

In other words, we have lost interest on the $35 million which otherwise would be in our Treasury.
At the same time, I se from Head S. 42, Radio Services, that they cannot make up their mind as to how much is required to improve our Radio Service they have put only $10.

Now, how could we account for this?

Is the Minister going to come to the House with another Bill in 1966 to ask for the sanction of the House for $5 million for Radio Services?

The Minister should make up his mind as since the provision in the original to how much is required for the Radio estimate has been under-estimated.
Services at least, he could put up This item is recoverable from the the estimates and not put $10, so that British Government.

Head S. 14, Ministry of Commerce and Industry, requires a sum of $0.4 million for subsidising the cost of electricity supplied to new villages for the year 1964.
Three token votes are also required under this Head for the purpose of establishing a Standards Institute for Malaysia, a Trade Com- missioners' Service, and for meeting expenses of Government representatives who attended the Management Meeting of the International Rubber Study Group in April/May, 1965.
Head S. 47 requires a sum of $88,323 to supplement Sub-head "Legal expenses, fees and retainers" as the existing provision to meet the fees incurred by Government is found to be inadequate to cover the legal fees of he need not come to the House often to ask for more money.

I do not think that is properly done.

I hope the Government would not be spending so much now, because after all the money comes from the taxpayers.
The more you spend, the more tax you want; and then you tax us without considering whether we can afford to pay such tax or not.

At least, the Government should give us a chance to say, "Now, we can pay this tax, but let us pay it in this way, or in that way", so that our people could be satisfied that they have the money to pay.

If the Govern- ment does it like this, I do not know how much we are being asked to pay more.

Sir.
Sir.

I hope that the Government will consider how to use this money properly, and I urge that the Den art- ment of Information and Radio 917 18 DECEMBER 1 965 918 Services should make up its mind as to how much it is going to spend.

It has put down only $10 here.

I hope the Minister could make up his mind.

Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr President, Sir, I agree with the Honourable Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok that we should live within our means -I fully agree with him.
However, Mr President, Sir, we sometimes meet with contingencies, THE DEVELOPMENT FUND (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Development Fund Ordinance, 1958" be read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second which we do not foresee and, as such the motion.
we sometimes have to put a token vote of $10, the reason being that, if we have a token vote, we can spend from the Contingencies Reserve for that purpose.

It is not the intention of the Government, Mr President, Sir, to waste the taxpayers' money nor to tax the taxpayers harshly, nor to levy a tax so burdensome on the taxpayers of this country that they cannot bear it and might turn communists.

I can assure the Honourable Dato' Dr Cheah that we will not be so.
We will never turn our country into such a state where each and everyone would want to turn communist.

We have confronta- tion to face, and that is why, to a certain degree, higher taxation is necessary.

I have already explained why the sum of over $35 million in excess of what was applied for in the Supply Act, 1965 is required Sir, conditions are not of our own making.
I regret that we have to come to the House each and every time to ask for supple- mentary supply estimates, because we find that in the running of the Govern- ment, estimates do not actually provide for the actual running expenditure of Government in that sense.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time.

Third Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, beg to move that the' Supplementary Supply (1965).

(No 2)' Bill, 1965 be read the third` time ` and passed.

.5 Dato' YT.
.5 Dato' YT.

Lee: Mr President, Sir, I beg.

to ••.secondd the motion.. .

Question put; and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read the third time and passed.

Dr Ng Kam Poh : Mr President, Sir, the Development Fund Ordinance, 1958, provides, inter alia, that the moneys in the Development Fund should be applied only for the purposes, or any one or more thereof, specified in the First Schedule to the Ordinance.
As the First Schedule stands at present, such moneys cannot be used to provide capital for a commercial undertaking in which Government may wish to acquire an interest.
In this connection, Honour- able Members will be aware that it has been publicly announced by Govern- ment previously that it would initiate action to establish a Bank to be known as Bank Bumiputera' along the lines of the resolution of the Kongress Ekonomi Bumiputera Malaysia and that the initial capital outlay of $5 million for this Bank would be provided by Government.

Such an outlay will be regarded as Government's equity invest- ment in the authorised capital of the Bank.
The Bank has already been registered as a Company known as Bank Bumiputera (Malaysia) Ltd, and it will operate as a commercial bank to be licensed as such under the Banking Ordinance, 1958.
In order that Government may be able to implement its policy decision to invest $5 million in Bank Bumi- putera, it is necessary that the First Schedule to the Development Fund Ordinance be amended by inserting immediately after paragraph 6 thereof a provision to the effect that the Development Fund may be used for the payment of any sum subscribed by the Government as equity investment in.

the authorised capital of Bank Bumi- putera licensed under the :.

Banking Ordinance, 1958.


919 18 "DECEMBER 1965 920 Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Mr President, Sir, may I ask the Assistant In these circumstances, it will be evident that it is not possible to Minister of Finance what is the impose, for instances a common level meaning of "equity investment?"

Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr President, Sir, "equity" means "fair".

So equity investment means a fair investment, which we think can bring profits to the Government.

Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses I and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and paned.
THE CUSTOMS (MALAYSIAN COMMON TARIFFS) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, ) beg to move that a Bill intituied "an Act to create Common Tariffs for Malaysia and to provide for matters incidental thereto" be now read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir• !

beg to second the motion.


Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr President, Sir• as Honourable Members are aware, there are five different customs regions in Malaysia at present; namely, the Principal Customs area of the States of Malaya, Sabah, Sarawak, Penang and Labuan.

The last two are adjuncts to their relative principal customs areas and are freeport areas.
So long as these customs regions remain separate as they are at present, the free movement of goods, even of those manufactured within Malaysia, is not possible except under authority of an Exemption.

Order under the relevant Customs legislation in force..

It still be remembered in this context that each of the component of Malaysia will retains its own Customs legislation pending the enactment of a unified Customs Ordinance to cover the whole of the Malaysia.
of protective duty to cover all parts of Malaysia in the interest of Malaysian manufactures and industry where such protection is required, unless the various Customs laws are invoked.

This, in effect, means the issue of Customs Orders under the Malayan Customs Ordinance, 1952, the Sabah Customs Ordinance and the Sarawak Customs Ordinance, should it be decided to subject a particular com- modity in Malaysia to a uniform level of tariff.
This procedure involves unnecessary paper work and can lead to confusion as the business community will have to refer to multiple Customs Orders under the respective laws in force to determine the level of common tariff in the various components of Malaysia.
In the light of the increasing tempo of industrial development in this country and the growing consciousness that home-produced goods should be bought in preference to the imported article, it is clearly necessary that where such domestic products are protected by tariffs they should be able to move from one part of the country to the other with the minimum of administra- tive delay.
In these circumstances, the Customs (Malaysian Common Tariffs) Bill has been drawn up to provide the Minister of Finance with statutory powers to levy common tariffs in Malaysia on goods imported into Malaysia.

The Bill also provides for the revocation of duties levied under the Customs laws in force in the States of Malaya, Sabah and Sarawak, when such goods become subject to a common tariff.
Imported goods will thus be subject either to common tariffs after which no further duties will be imnosed on them when they are moved from one part of Malaysia to another, or if no common tariffs have been imposed on such goods, they will then be subject to whatever tariffs may have been levied under the separate Customs laws in the three components of Malaysia.
921 1 8 DECEMBER 1965 922 Perhaps, the most forward looking feature in this Bill is the provision relating to the present free port areas of Penang and Labuan.

Hitherto, the Minister of Finance could not levy duty on any goods entering Penang and Labuan without effecting an amend- ment to the appropriate Customs legislation.
This is obviously highly unsatisfactory, as an amendment Bill takes time to be passed, and it is sometimes necessary to impose duties takes place, there will be consultation between the Central and State Govern- ments concerned.

I would like to mention again at this juncture that this Bill may be only a temporary measure, as the ultimate objective of the Government is to frame a unified Customs Act for all the components of Malaysia.
The fiat step in such an exercise would be the harmonisation of as many tariff items as is possible at this juncture, having without any delay, and without any due regard to the differing needs of the advance publicity, for revenue, pro- several components of this country.

tective or anti-smuggling purposes.


Until the overwhelming majority of the The Bill before this House would render this outdated procedure un- necessary as the Minister of Finance would then be empowered to extend to Penang and Labuan any common tariffs that may be applicable to the rest of Malaysia.
Honourable Members may recall that a substantial range of domestic pro- ducts were accorded additional pro- tection with effect from 9th October, 1965 and a majority of these were allowed free movement within Malay- sia.

It has not been possible, however, to accord this treatment to industries in Penang and Labuan because of their free port status and their special posi- tion in the respective Customs laws of the States of Malaya and Sabah.
Industries in Penang therefore may find that they have to compete in the Malaysian market on the same terms as foreign manufacturers while at the same time they will not be able to benefit from the protection accorded to similar industries in the rest of Malaysia.

This is, of course, one of the disadvantages of siting industries in a free port area.
A situation may arise where it is necessary for tariffs to be imposed, in Penang and Labuan despite their pre- sent free port status, and Honourable Members will note that Clause 2 (2) of the Bill will empower the Minister of Finance to extend common tariffs to Penang and Labuan.
I would like to assure Honourable Members, however, particularly those from Penang, that before any such extension of tariffs duties are harmonised, it is still a little early in the day to have such unified legislation, and this Bill should there- fore, serve the immediate purpose for which it is framed.
Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya menyokong Rang Undang2 di-hadapan kita ini, kerana banyak kesulitan2 yang di- tanggong oleh ahli2 di-pasaran di-Sabah dan Sarawak, umpama-nya dari negeri dalam Malaysia mi.

Jadi, saya harap apabila Rang Undang2 ini di-luluskan, masa menentukan barang2 yang hendak di-beri kebebasan dalam 1'cara kita ini jangan-lah Pula Menteri yang berkenaan itu lupakan barang2 yang di-usahakan oleh anak2 negeri ini, terutama sa-kali daripada perusahaan yang kechil2.
Saya suka mengingatkan kanada Menteri supaya mengambil per- hatian kapada barang2 saperti barang2 perusahaan tangan yang ada di-Pahtai Timor yang many j uga mustahak di-pasarkan ka-negeri2 saperti Sabah dan Sarawak.

Pada masa ini barang2 perusahaan ini terpaksa di-tahan di Kastam di-Sarawak atau pun di-Sabah dengan kerana terpaksa di-kehendaki kebenasan khan untok membawa barang2 itu masok ka-negeri2 itu, pada hal negeri itu ada-lah negeri dalam.

Malaysia kita ini j uga.


J a di, saga harap dengan kelulusan Undang2 ini, barang2 saperti barang2 perusahaan tangan_ kain batek tenon, barang2 nerak dan sa-bagai-nya yang di-keluar- kan o?eh anak negeri sa-chara bersendirian, sa-chara kechil, di-Pantai Timor itu juga di-masokkan dalam senarai kebebasan barang2 itu untok 923 18 DECEMBER 1965 924 di-pasarkan di-seluroh Malaysia ini sa-lain daripada barang pengeluaran yang di-xeiuarxan oieti kilang2 di- dalam Tanah Melayu kita ini is-itu kilang2 yang besar.
Satu lagi, saya suka hendak bertanya kapada Menteri yang berkenaan, apa- bila Undang2 ini berjalan, macham barang kita saperti kain batek daripada Kelantan, apabila di-hantarkan ka- Sabah atau pun Sarawak, ada-kah di-maksudkan mesti ada surat yang mengesahkan barang itu di-buat di- Tanah Melayu ini atau pun bpleh di-hantar terus dengan tidak payah mengadakan surat pengesahan keluaran barang itu daripada negeri Tanah Me- layu ini, atau pun macham mana-kah chara-nya hendak menentukan, sebab ada sa-tengah2 barang umpama-nya yang datang daripada negeri2 lain menerusi Singapore atau pun negeri2 lain yang di-tuj ukan kapada Sabah dan Sarawak, pada hal barang itu berasal daripada negeri lain tetapi sama jenis- nya dengan barang yang di-hantar ka-Sarawak dan ka-Sabah.
Bagaimana pehak kastam hendak membezakan yang barang itu berasal daripada Tanah .Melayu dan terus di-hantarkan ka- Sabah dan Sarawak.
Jadi apa yang saya kehendaki is-lah supaya barang2 daripada Tanah Melayu ini yang di- hantar terus ka-Sarawak dan Sabah itu di-bebaskan dan dapat di-beri kebebasan dengan tidak payah, kalau boleh, di-adakan permit khas bagi barang2 itu memada-lah dengan akuan2, kita katakan asal-nya barang itu di-buat di-Tanah Melayu itu akuan daripada Kerajaan Negeri atau pun akuan daripada Chamber of Commerce, atau pun macham many chara-nya.
Jadi saya hendak minta penjelasan daripada Menteri bagaimana perkara itu hendak di-atorkan.

Sekian, terima kaseh.

Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Mr President, Sir, I rise to support this Bill and to say that I agree with the suggestions made by my Honourable colleague, Nik Hassan.
Sir, the creation of tariff is a protection for our growing industries, but yet this protection is a double-edged sword, because there are articles manufactured outside which are better than those manufactured in our country, and even if you levy a tariff twice the price of an article out- side, people will still insist on buying the better article instead of buying the cheaper article.
I have been to shops and I can see that in many shops there are enamel wares which are manu- factured in Malaysia, but they do not come up to the standard of imported products.

We are protecting ourselves- yes-but it is a double-edged sword.

The manufacturer thinks that, as he is already protected, he need not manufacture a product which is equivalent in quality to that of an imported product here, we are losing money and at the same time we allow importation to come in even at a higher price.
I suggest that in order to remedy that defect we must have a Board of Standards, which will say to the manu- facturer, "Your article is not up to this standard; we want it to be up to this standard, or your licence, and so on, will be refused."

By this we can get a better product in place of the bad product that we are producing today and there are so many things, like tyres, enamel wares, etc., which are produced but which are not up to the quality that is internationally known.
So, I suggest again to the Government that it should have a Board of Standards to examine our products to see whether they can come up to the quality of imported goods.

If our own products cannot do so, then I think people will still insist, in spite of the lower price, on buying a better product, and I hope the Govern- ment will set up a Board of Standards to look into the matter of protection.
Sir, this Act is to create common tariffs for Malaysia, and as tariff is a pro- tection for our manufacturers, I hope that the Government will also see to it that for the protection afforded our manufacturers produce goods that can come up to international standard.

Dr Ng Kam Poh : Mr President, Sir, I shall reply to the Honourable Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok first.
I believe that in my speech just now on the Second Supplementary Supply Bill, I said that a Standards Institute for 925 18 DECEMBER 1965 926 Malaysia is to be instituted.

We are going to establish a Standards Institute, because goods manufactured in this country have come under a vicious campaign, as was mentioned by the Honourable Minister of Commerce and Industry in the Lower House.
Sir, a vicious campaign has been going on against goods manufactured in this country, and in order to wipe out such malicious and vicious propaganda, we are going to set up a Standards Insti- tute by which we can gauge whether product produced locally are equivalent to or if not better than the goods imported.

Again, Sir, it is no use saying that the goods produced here are no good, unless we know what our locally manufactured goods are.
I contend, Sir, that the Government, or the manufac- turers as a whole, did not advertise enough and did not let the people know enough that there are so many various types of locally produced goods.

If one would only go to one of the Trade Fairs in an around Malaysia and there was one in Kuala Lumpur recently one could see for oneself that the locally produced goods are of good quality.
However, it takes time for the people of Malaysia to accept that what is locally made is good and comparable to, if not better than what is imported and this is because we have been under 140 years of colonialism, during which there was no manufacturing in this sector but we had to import goods from countries like Britain, United States, European is the time for our young and developing nation to manufacture our own goods and show to the world that our goods can be equal to, if not better than any type of goods imported.
So, I hope Honourable Members of this Senate will feel the same as I do towards goods that are manufactured in this country.

Now, I shall reply to the Honourable Senator Nik Hassan.

I agree with him that at the present moment things like kain son gket, kain batek, are exported to Sabah and Sarawak, and they need a certificate of origin.

Unless they do that then they will be subject to cus- toms duty.
Other things being equal, they will be subject to customs duties for the time being for revenue purposes.

But once the .

Malaysian Common Tariffs Act comes into force and, later on the unified Malaysian Customs Ordinance is set, then goods, as I have said before in my speech, can move freely from one component State of Malaysia to the other without tariffs.
Goods manufactured in Sabah or in Sarawak can come to Malaysia without tariffs and goods manufactured in Malaya can go to Sabah and Sarawak without tariffs.

That is the main object of this exercise.

I hope I have satisfied the Senate in all aspects of argument.

Thank you very much.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.


(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 7 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.

THE INSURANCE (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Insurance Act, Che' Aishah binti Haji Abdul Ghani: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menyokong.
The Assistant Minister of Finance (Dr Ng Kam Poh): Mr President, Sir, after two years of administration of the Insurance Act, 1963, experience has shown that a few amendments are advisable.

At present the Insurance Com- missioner has no power to refuse registration of an applicant company if it complies with all the technical requirements.

Clauses 2 and 3 of the Bill allow the Minister discretion to refuse registration to insurance com- panies on other than technical grounds.
countries, Australia, even China.

Now 1963" be read a second time.

927 18 DECEMBER 1965 928 The applicant would retain the right of appeal against the decision of the Commissioner but not against that of An alternative method would be to legislate for payment of premium before commencement of risk allowing the Minister .

The relatively small a bank guarantee or monthly settlement insurance market in Malaysia is already crowded with 95 insurers operating.
Competition which is too intense -, tends to induce a high cost factor, which is not in the best interests of the insuring public.

The proposed ministerial dis- cretion provides a flexibility of approach to varying circumstances as they arise.

In the second Schedule to the Insu- rance Act, - 1963, a wide range of securities is authorised for insurance funds and deposits.

There is insufficient degree of selection for securities per- •mitted as statutory deposits .
Clause 4 of the Bill is designed to permit a higher degree of selection of securities used as statutory deposits .

Government loans, loans to statutory bodies, fixed deposits with banks or cash would be accepted automatically.

Shares, deben- tures of companies mortgages on land, etc., would be subjected to careful scrutiny.
The Insurance Commissioner- in his Second Annual Report drew attention to the extent to which general insurers have allowed credit for premiums and the serious effect this can have on the financial stability of the Malaysian insurance funds of these companies.

The extent of this credit was unknown when the Act was drafted.
From the returns received during 1964 twenty- three general insurers disclosed that their States of Malaya insurance fund comprised assets of which 30% or more were outstanding or un-collected pre- miums .

There even exceeded 98 %.

In the event of a winding up of the fund, these assets will be of little value as the cost of securing payment would most likely be too high .
Clause 5 of the Bill aims to limit the amount of outstanding premiums and agents, balances which may be claimed as an assets of the insurance fund .

Provision •to phase the limitations over a period of years has been made in order to avoid undue embarrassment to the in lieu of a cash payment.

The Govern- ment has not chosen this method because, given reasonable protection for policy owners,.

the companies should.

be allowed to manage their own affairs in the atmosphere of free enter- , prise.
This system of control would entail Government inspection of com- pany offices which is an added cost and for which trained staff would not be readily available.

Clause 6 of the Bill seeks to rectify an oversight in the Insurance Act and ensure that reports and accounts of insurance companies as a whole are available for public inspection.

Section 44 of the Insurance Act makes provision for the early payment of death claims where the proceeds of the policies do not in the aggregate exceed $1.0,000.
This is a usual type of provision to allow ready money to be available for the next-of-kin.

However, until evidence is produced that estate duty has been paid or that the estate is exempted from duty, 10% of the claim monies must be withheld.

If this 10% is not claimed within 12 months, the insurance company concerned is re- quired to deposit the amount with the Treasury.

Clause 8 of the Bill requires a certification of compliance to appear on the balance sheet.
Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bertanya kapada Menteri yang berkenaan dengan perjalanan Sharikat2 Insurance mi.

Ada-kah Kerajaan mempunyal satu badan yang tertentu yang mengawasi di-atas perjalanan Sharikat2 Insurance ini ?
Sebab, umpama-nya kita kata, kalau bank, bank2 itu sen- tiasa di-awasi, di-jaga oleh Bank Negara, tetapi, Sharikat2 Insurance ini ada-kah di-jaga atau di-kawal oleh satu badan yang boleh mengawal, menjaga, supaya tidak-lah sharikat ini berjalan mengikut suka hati-nya, yang boleh menyebabkan kesusahan kapada Kerajaan.

Itu sahaja per- companies concerned.

tanyaan says.
tanyaan says.

929 18 DECEMBER 1965 930 Dr Ng Kam Poh: Sir, in answer to awasi di-atas perjalanan Sharikat the Honourable Senator Nik Hassan, I Insurance ini, saperti Watch Dog would like to say that the Insurance Act of 1963 is the body or measure to protect the insurees of Malaysia who wish to insure for life insurance, for general insurance and so forth.
The Bill before the House is an amendment to the Insurance Act of 1963; it limits insurance companies in respect of declaring unclaimed 'liabilities, out- standing premiums, etc., as assets which is a dangerous practice in the case of unpaid premiums if there are declared as assets, then you have no assets at all.

This Bill is primarily aimed at preventing such an occasion arising.
Nik Hassan : Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka hendak bertanya, ada-kah Keraj aan mempunyai satu badan yang tertentu untok mengawalkan perjalanan Sharikat2 Insurance ini?

Bagaimana Menteri kata tadi, Undang2 ini-lah yang mengawalkan.

Itu saya f aham.

Sama juga macham bank2, Undang2 Bang Negara itu untok mengawal bank yang ada ini.

Tetapi, Bank Negara, dia ada Committee atau apa-kah, badan yang menjaga, mengawal, supaya Sharikat2 itu berjalan dengan betul.
Sebab, banyak ra`ayat yang terlibat dalam sharikat ini dia boleh buat macham2 perkara.

Jadi, kalau kita tinggalkan sa-orang pegawai sahaja, barangkali kesalahan itu berjalan ber- tahun2, baharu-lah hendak kita tahu h al itu.

Sa-bagaimana yang telah berlaku banyak company Insurance di-tuboh- kan dengan chara haram, macham kurap sahaja dia naik.

Kemudian Kerajaan tidak tahu apa yang berlaku.

Aleh2 Keraj aan ambil tindakan mem- bubarkan.


Mengambil tindakan yang menakutkan ra`ayat umum ini dalam perkara mengambil insurance ini.

Jadi daripada perkara itu berlaku, tidak-kah kita fikirkan baik kalau kita adakan satu badan mengawasi supaya j angan perkara itu berlaku.

Ma`ana-nya kalau kita j aga2 penyakit itu j angan-lah j adi ada-nya penyakit, j aga dahulu.
Ini kalau sudah sakit, habis, baru-lah kita pegawai2-nya yang boleh mengawasi, hendak ubat, itu satu perkara yang memereksa, dan menjaga supaya bank berat juga.

Jadi pada pendapat saya, itu tidak terkeluar daripada Undang2 patut juga Kerajaan mengadakan satu Bank itu.
Jadi, sekarang saya bertanya badan, badan yang boleh mengawal, kira-nya kita sudah ada satu undang2 sebab ada kala-nya sharikat Insurance insurance, kemudian undang2 ini siapa yang menjalankan, pegawai yang meng- awasi, satu badan yang mengawasi perjalanan itu.

Sebab saya bertanya itu kerana bagini, kita sudah banyak menempoh kesusahan berkenaan Sha- rikat Insurance ini.
Berapa banyak Sharikat2 ini telah di-bubarkan oleh Kerajaan dengan kerana tidak betul perjalanan-nya dan boleh di-jalankan dengan menyusahkan orang ramai dan yang kechil2 dia boleh memainkan wang orang kampong itu.

Ada sa- tengah2 Sharikat Insurance dia ambil wang dengan tidak mengeluarkan receipt, macham2-lah perkara.

yang ber- laku yang mana, boleh jadi, Company itu sendiri tidak buat bagitu, tetapi kaki-nya, wakil-nya yang berbuat bagitu.
Jadi perkara ini yang banyak terlibat is-lah orange kampong yang miskin dan sa-bagai-nya yang patut di- berbagai2 perkara yang berlaku yang kawal oleh Kerajaan dan pengawalan mana terpaksa Kerajaan mengambil itu kita buat dengan j alan undang2 mi.

tindakan.
tindakan.

Jadi, sa-lepas kita mengambil Tetapi undang2 ini tidak chukup, tindakan itu, tidak-lah Keraj aan memi- mesti kita adakan satu badan, badan kirkan Sharikat Insurance ini satu yang boleh menjaga mana2 Insurance perkara yang besar yang banyak Company yang berjalan tidak betul ra`ayat yang terlibat di-dalam-nya.

Kira-nya di-fikirkan bagitu, tidak-kah Keraj aan berfikir patut ada satu badan yang boleh menjaga, meng- barangkali badan itu boleh mengambil tindakan dengan serta merta.
Jadi itu- lah maksud saya bertanya akan badan yang sa-umpama itu.

931 18 DECEMBER 1965 932 Dr Ng Kam Poh : Mr President, Sir, I understand what he means.

There has been since 1963 a Division in the Ministry of Finance itu is-lah suatu Bahagian di-dalam Kementerian Ke- wangan) called the Insurance Division headed by the Insurance Commissioner.

He is in charge of all insurance com- panies throughout the whole of Malaysia.
Every year insurance com- panies must by law produce to the insurance Commissioner a report of all their activities throughout the year, and the insurance Division under the charge of the Insurance Commissioner goes through all these reports.

This is one of the reports which is tabled yearly in the Dewan.

Ra`ayat I do not know whether it is tabled in the Dewan Negara for the perusal of all Members of Parliament.
So you see, from this, we find out the mistakes, if any, of the companies, and we amend the law accordingly to control them.

What the Honourable Senator Nik Hassan is probably afraid of was the formation of the mushroom companies, if I am not mistaken; however, this has been done away with the publica- tion of the Insurance Act of 1963.
Even there we find that there are certain loopholes, and that is why we put an amendment to this Act, so that there would not be any more loopholes left and if we should find any more, we will still plug them.

(Laughter).

Therefore, Sir, there is a body, a Division, the Insurance Division, in the Ministry of Finance I hope I would not need to explain any further.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.
House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) THE CONVENTION ON THE SETTLEMENT OF INVESTMENT DISPUTES BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to ratify and give legal sanction to the provisions of the Con- vention on the Settlement of Investment Disputes" be now read a second time.
Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr President, Sir, as Honourable Members are aware, one of the major obstacles to private foreign investment in developing coun- tries has been the problem of the settlement of disputes between Govern- ments and private parties.

Hitherto, an investor who wished to contest the action of a Government had to invoke the diplomatic protection of his own Government or request his Government to forward his case to an international tribunal.

Neither remedy has been found to be satisfactory.


The absence of adequate machinery for international conciliation and arbitration has often frustrated attempts to agree on an appropriate mode of settlement of such disputes.

Hence the World Bank has suggested the establishment of an institution to be called "The Arbitration and Recon- ciliation Centre" as an answer to the problem.
This centre would be spon- sored by the Bank, but its relationship to the Bank would in no way impair its independence in the exercise of its quasi-judicial function.

The Convention on the Settlement of Investment Disputes has been sponsored by the World Bank as a means of strengthening the partnership between countries in the cause of economic development.

The Convention provides for the establishment of an international centre for the settlement of investment disputes.
This can be a major step towards promoting an atmosphere of mutual confidence which would stimulate a greater flow of international capital into those countries Clauses I to 8 inclusive ordered to with which it contracts.

stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed- The Convention will establish an organisation which will provide both conciliation and arbitration facilities at 933 18 DECEMBER 1965 934 international level.
The organisation African Republic, Dahomey, Ethiopia, will comprise an administrative council, Gabon, Ivory Coast, Japan, Liberia, a secretariat, and panels of conciliators Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Nepal, and arbitrators.

The administrative Sierra Leone, Somalia, Morocco, council will consist of one member Tunisia, and Upper Volta.

from each of the contracting Govern- ments.

Each member shall have one vote.


Each State designate four persons each to the panel of conciliators and the panel of arbitrators.

In accordance with Article 25 (4) of the Convention, "a Contracting Party can notify the Centre at the time of ratification, acceptance and approval of this Convention, or at any time thereafter, the class or classes of disputes which it would or would not consider submitting to the jurisdiction of the Centre."
It is proposed that Malaysia should refrain from com- mitting itself in advance to refer any particular class or classes of disputes to the Centre.

In accordance with Article 26, it is proposed that this Government should insist on the exhaustion of domestic, administrative and judicial remedies as a condition of its consent.
I would like to draw the attention of Honourable Members to the fact that adherence to the agreement would not by itself, legally or morally, obligate any State to submit itself to the jurisdiction of the Centre.

The use of the Centre would be entirely voluntary.


Jurisdiction can be conferred on the Centre, either by a unilateral declara- tion of a State agreeing in advance to the submission of particular types of disputes for arbitration or conciliation by the Centre or by agreement between a State and a particular investor.
In order to ensure that the Centre would not be meaningless, the Convention provides that once a State has volun- tarily agreed to submit a particular class of disputes to the jurisdiction of the Centre, this agreement would be a binding international obligation.

It would be very much in keeping with our policy of encouraging foreign capital to invest in Malaysia for us to lend our support to this Convention.
The proposed Bill will enable Malaysia to ratify and give legal sanction to the provisions of the Convention on the Settlement of Investment Disputes.

Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Mr President, Sir, from the reading of this Bill, it is stated that there should be conciliation, there should be arbitration.

It mentions about the award, but it does not say anytthing about penalty.

For instance, if a State does not agree to this conciliation, to this award, what is going to happen?
Have you got another provision?

What penalty could be awarded?

It has never stated anything about the penalty.

There is, first, the conciliation, arbitra- tion and award, but if a State does not agree, if a manufacturer invokes the power of his State to protect him, what power have we got?

As far as I know this Convention has no power to impose a penalty.

There is none at all!

It is a matter of conciliation only, and on arbitration award, I believe the Bill does not go far enough.
There should be a caveat attached to it.

Dr Ng Kam Poh : Mr President, Sir, in reply to the Honourable Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok, I think I have stated in my speech that neither party will be bound by any legal means within the Centre, if they do not submit to the Centre for arbitration or conciliation.

Therefore, there is no such thing as penalty or award.
However, if Malaysia should agree to submit to one class of disputes to the Centre, then it is internationally an obligation for the award or penalty to be issued by Honourable Members may wish to the Centre and that is what I under- note that as at 22nd October, 1965, stand.

I have mentioned in my twenty-five member countries of the World Bank, including Malaysia, has signed the Convention.
The signatories include a number of Afro-Asian countries, such as, Cameroon, Central speech and I repeat it: "In accordance with Article 26, it is proposed that this Government" that means our Govern- ment-"should insist on the exhaustion of domestic, administrative and judicial 935 18 DECEMBER 1965 936 remedies as a condition of its consent".
In other words, Sir, Malaysia, even though we pass this Bill through the Lower House and the Upper House to ratify that we agree to such a thing as a Centre do exist, we insist that the contracting parties and Malaysia must exhaust all their domestic, admin- istrative and judical remedies before the contracting States and us can come to an agreement to settle the class of dispute in the Centre; and if we do so, then their decision is final and the award is made, or the penalty is made, whichever way it may be.
We use the question of award.

If money is given it is an award and penalty is equivalent to an award in a sense.

However, we have protected ourselves to such an extent that we need not go to the Centre unless we so wish.

That is primarily our purpose.


However, we give the investors a chance to come in here and invest and a chance for them to seek remedies if they so wish, because nobody is going to invest in your country, if he sees no way of redress, no way of pulling out the money from your country, but he just pours millions of dollars and you say, "That's that, you can go home".

No contracting party, no individual, or no country, will ever do such a thing.
So, this is one means by which we allow them a way of redress.

I hope that is clear to all the Honourable Members, particularly to Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok.

Thank you, Mr President, Sir.

Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Mr President, Sir, as a matter of clarifica- tion, I would like to say this.

In any court of law there is, what we call, an enforcing agency, somebody to enforce the administration of that law or award.

Here, there is a defect in this Bill.

The defect is that there is no enforcing policy.


For instance, a criminal is arrested and the judge passes a sentence.

The enforcing agency, or the Police puts him in jail the Police is the enforcing power.

Now, in this, I suggest that the enforcing agency should be the court of the country because if they come to an agreement, you can have a special clause on that, so that you can enforce the award.

As it is, if they do not want to agree, then it goes on forever, and there is no enforcing agency.
If the court says, "well, if you don't accept the decision of the court in which you are a citizen, then you have got to be subject to such and such a penalty".

That is an enforcing agency.

An enforcing agent must be here according to the law, but it is not here.

So, I ask whether the Government will consider that point with its legal adviser to see whether it is suitable to have that point inside this Bill.
Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar: May I be allowed to interrupt regarding the meanings that have been dealt with by the Member just now?

With regard to the question asked by the Honourable Dato' Cheah Toon Lok just now, Sir, under section 3, I think, if I am not mistaken, it says that "an award made by an arbitrator under the Con- vention shall be binding and may be enforced in the same manner as if it is a decree judgement or order of the court".
In other words, Sir, if I am not mistaken, when you got a decree, you have to execute it and you can execute it in court.

Therefore, if a judgement is given by the arbitration and it is not fulfilled by the defeated party, then that order can be made by the court, Sir, and the court will give judgement accordingly if I am not mistaken.

It is for the Honourable Minister to answer, Sir, I think.

Dr Ng Kam Fob : Mr President, Sir, the enforcing body, the enforcing agent, is always there.
As I said, there are our domestic, our administrative, as well as our judicial remedies; they are the enforcing bodies, but the enforce- ment comes from the Centre.

If and when we submit a particular class of disputes or a dispute between two persons the country of Malaysia and another person to the Centre, when that is submitted to the Centre and an arbitration is going on and an award concerned.
For instance if the member is made, that enforcement is carried is Mr "A", then the court of Mr "A's" out by the Courts of law in Malaysia.

country should enforce the judgement, Article 3 makes it quite clear about 937 18 DECEMBER 1965 938 this, Sir.

But if Malaysia would not submit, or the other person would not submit, then it goes through the original courts of law.

That is as simple as all that, Sir.

Dato ' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: On a point of clarification, Sir, what does High Court mean?
This is an international agreement.

I would like to know what "High Court" means?

Is it a Malaysian Court, is it a court of the country of the citizen concerned or an international court?

I do not know which court is meant.

Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr President, Sir, the High Court evidently means the High Court of Malaysia.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.
Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) However, certain State laws restrict civil suits being brought in the State concerned against not only the Ruler but also his consort and other mem- bers of his family.

These State laws are unconstitutional because they are contrary to Article 8 of the Constitu- tion.

There is no provision in the Federal Constitution which authorises the restriction or prohibition of civil proceedings against the family or con- sort of a Ruler of a State.
The Laws protecting the consort and other members of the families of the Rulers were enacted in the States of Kedah, Negri Sembilan, Pahang, Perak, Perlis, Selangor and Trengganu.

No such legislation exists in Johore and Kelantan.

This Bill will remove from the various Statute Books and laws concerned so as to bring those Statute Books into line with the Federal Con- stitution.
I must add, Mr President, Sir, that the proposals to repeal the laws protecting the consort and other members of a Ruler's family have been submitted to the Conference of Rulers and the Conference has agreed Clauses 1 to 3 inclusive ordered to to the suggestion.

stand part of the Bill.

Sir, I beg to move.

Schedule ordered to stand part of Question put, and agreed to.

the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.

whole House.
whole House.

THE FEDERAL STATUTE LAW REVISION (SUITS AGAINST THE RULING HOUSES) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to repeal the laws of the States of Kedah, Negri Sembilan, Pahang, Perak, Perlis, Selangor and Trengganu relating to suits against the Ruling Houses of those States" be now read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, I beg to second the motion.
Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses I and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.
THE MAJLIS AMANAH RA`AYAT BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Sir, Article 181(2) I beg to move that the Bill intituled of the Constitution provides that no "an Act to establish a corporate body proceedings whatsoever shall be brought by the name of the Majlis Amanah in any court against the Ruler of the State in his own personal capacity.

Ra`ayat and for the purposes connected therewith" be now read a second time.
Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, 939 18 DECEMBER 1965 940 Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Dato' T H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, this Bill seeks the repeal the Rural and Industrial Development Authority Ordinance , 1953, and thereby replaces the Rural and Industrial Development Authority established under that Ordi- nance by a new corporate body to be called the Majlis Amanah Ra`ayat.
Most of the provisions of the Ordinance are re - enacted in this Bill except that they are arranged in a different numerical order.

The establishment of Majlis Amanah Ra`ayat is provided in section 3, and it is composed of a Chairman and fourteen other members.
Section 7 makes the Chairman to be the principal officer responsible for the preparation of programmes , schemes of projects for the consideration of the Majlis Amanah Ra`ayat, and also for the issue of policy guidance and for the supervision of the implementation of decisions made by the Majlis Amanah Ra`ayat.
For the purpose of executing these decisions, section 8 empowers the Majlis Amanah Ra`ayat to set up several divisions, each division being placed under the responsibility of an executive officer to be styled as "the director".
Each director is to execute and implement the decisions of the Majlis Amanah Ra`ayat pertaining to the divisions under his control and also to participate , but without the right to vote, in any meetings of the Majlis Amanah Ra`ayat , in which matters pertaining to his division are being discussed or considered.

The director is also the administrative head of his division whereby other officers in the division come directly under his administrative jurisdiction.
Section 9 empowers the Majlis Amanah Ra`ayat to appoint Com- mittees for the purpose of exercising functions which may be dedicated to those Committees, while Section 11 gives powers to the Majlis Amanah Ra`ayat to delegate its functions, powers or duties generally.
Apart from the changes made on the composition and organisation of the Majlis Amanah Ra`ayat vis - a-vis the Rural and Industrial Development Authority under the Ordinance , Section 6 has to promote and improve func- tions and duties of the Majlis Amanah Ra`ayat.

Enche' S. O. K. Ubaidulla: The Bill before us is a very important one.

I am glad that after the winding up of RIDA, Government has plans to inaugurate MARA and Bank Bumi- putera.

These two bodies will fulfil the functions of RIDA.
Sir, in the Lower House there was some allegation that sounded like that RIDA had failed .

As far as I know, and I have had long association with RIDA, RIDA had never failed.

It served well the purpose for which it was set up.

But for RIDA, a lot of the Malays would have been further behind than where they are now.

Sir, some even went to the extent of calling RIDA a colonial inheritance.

Though it was started in the colonial days, it was not created by the colonial Government .
Indeed , the lamented beloved late Dato' `Onn was the father of RIDA.

It was his brain child.

We discussed this in a small Committee before meeting this idea to the then Government .

Later the baby was adopted by our Deputy Prime Minister, Tun Abdul Razak, and he nourished the baby to its boyhood.

Sir, RIDA Section 10 empowers the Majlis created self-consciousness among the Amanah Ra`ayat to appoint other officers and servants .
Section 12 gives power to the Majlis Amanah Ra`ayat rural people of this country, and it instilled a hope in their minds.

RIDA's assistance was a success with one who to make rules with the approval of the had the skill and the will to better Minister in respect of salaries , allow- his lot .

RIDA, among many other ances and conditions of service of his things, built shophouses , latex factories, officers and servants generally, including bridges, roads and canals.
RIDA the power to create a contributory pro- taught boat building , batek printing, vident fund of its own.

mengkuang weaving , book-keeping and 941 18 DECEMBER 1965 942 commercial subjects.

R1DA gave new kita daripada segala bangsa yang buses and routes, rehabilitated crum- men.dudoki Persekutuan Tanah Melayu pling companies, and indeed there are ini yang ta`at serta kapada Kerajaan many more functions that RIDA very kita.
Sa-lain daripada mengalu^kan usefully fulfiied and it brought success Rang Undnag2 ini, Yang Berhormat to some of the rural people-the Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya j uga ber- achievements of RIDA are too pengalaman bahawasa-nya dengan numerous to mention here.

Before 1 conclude, Sir, 1 would like to make one or two observations that may be useful to its successor, MARA.

Experience in RIDA has shown a lot of new aspects.

1 hope these things would be useful to MARA.

Sir, much rests with the head of MARA.


The Chairman of MARA should be one with versatile experience.

He need not be a bumiputera.

Sir, to say this requires a lot of courage on my part, but I do say that he can even be an expatriate.

Malayanisation can never be a substitute for experience.

What we need is the success of MARA and not the sentiment of having one Malay bumiputera or a Malaysian as the head of MARA.
For the time being, we must have an experienced man with knowledge in all aspects of MARA's activities.

Secondly, Sir, MARA officers should not be seconded officers.

This was one thing that plagued the efficient working of RIDA.

All seconded officers are by and large birds of passage to that Department.

Thirdly, Sir, terms of service to MARA officers should be second to none.

If they are given a term of service on the pull of paternalism, I am sure they will not put their heart and soul to their work.
Finally, Sir.

MARA should be run strictly on business lines.

Perhaps, it is the intention of the Government to leave all lending policies to Bank Bumiputera.

If it is so, I here stand and say MARA is a body that is destined to progress and to serve the people.

Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar bin Yahya: Yang Berhormat Dato' Yang di-Pertua, di-sini saya bangun mengambil kesem- natan iuga menyokong Rang Undang2 MARA mi.
Memang-lah sa-patut-nya Kerajaan kita Kerajaan Perikatan heramal dengan sentiasa-nva meng- ambil langkah bagi memaiu dan menaikkan mutu serta murtabat ra`ayat ada-nya Rang Undang2 in apabila di-ishtiharkan oleh Kerajaan kita, maka besar-lah harapan orange bumiputera akan mendapat beberapa faedah yang tertentu dan yang memberi keuntongan yang besar kapada mereka itu.
Undang2 ini, saperti yang kita tabu, is-lah bangkit-nya atau pun telah di-tuboh- kan daripada MARA yang telah di- tubohkan pada bulan June yang lalu dan yang di-ketuai oleh Yang Amat Berhormat Tun.

Abdul Razak sendiri.


Yang Berhormat Dato' Yang di- Putera, sunggoh pun jika di-amat-amati dengan sempurna-nya, nampak-lah sa-bahagian besar daripada bangsa kita orang Melayu pada masa ini is-lah di-dalam keadaan yang tidak mendapat banyak kesenangan dalam segi ikhtisad dan lain2 j uga dan memang sudah di-ketahui oleh sekalian bangsa dalam negara kita ini, bahawasa-nya bumiputera ini sudah tentu dalam keadaan miskin dan ada- nya pula di-hadapan mereka itu sangat-lah merosot di-dalam kemis- kinan itu.
Oleh sebab itu saya merasai bangga dan besar hati apabila saya melihatkan di-dalam Rang Undang2 ini akan di- adakan satu peruntokan wang kerana memberi pinjaman kapada bumiputera k ita yang ben are berkeh endakkan kemajuan mereka itu sendiri.

Maka dengan ini dapat-fah mereka menjalan- kan segala hal ehwal yang bersangkutan dengan ikhtisad mereka supaya men- dapat kesenangan dan kemajuan yang terutama-nva kapada bangsa, kapada orange Melayu di-kampong2 dan juga yang jauh2 daripada bandar kita.
Saperti yang telah di-rekakan oleh RIDA.

saperti yang di-sebutkan oleh Yang Berhormat Enche' Ubaidulla tali Yang Berhormat Dato', ada-lah RIDA ini saperti yang kita tahu is-itu "Rural Industrial and Development Authority" satu badan yang telah di-tubohkan oleh Kerajaan yang dahulu pada masa kita 943 18 DECEMBER 1965 944 belttm •lagi mendapat kemerdekaan.
Saya berpenga i aman, sunggoh pun RIDA itu memang-iah saw baeian yang baik, tetapi saya dukachita juga menyatakan atoran dan peratoran yang telah di-keluarkan berkenaan dengan RIDA itu tidak sesuai dengan per- jalanan kita Bangsa Melayu; hingga menjadikan tidak maju orange yang mendudoki di-kampong2 saperti yang di-kehendaki oleh RIDA itu.
Yang demikian saya berharap atoran dan peratoran yang akan di-perbuat oleh badan MARA ini pada masa ka- hadapan kelak dapat-lah mempertahan- kan segaia kechewaan2 yang terjadi dahulu-nya pada masa RIDA itu ada di-dalam masa mi.

Yang pertama sa-kali saya suka menyatakan di-sini supaya MARA ini mempertahankan kejayaan yang telah tertiridas kapada kapitalis.

Pada hal orang bumiputera kita ini yang tertentu iktisad mereka itu di-dalam keadaan merusut.
Sa-lain daripada itu, Yang Berhor- mat Dato' Yang di-Pertua; saya berkata pada masa ini orange kita, bumiputera memang-lah mereka itu telah sedar kerana iktisad itu is-lah mesti mereka itu memperbuat-nya, supaya mendapat kesenangan pada masa ini dan juga pada masa yang akan datang.
Dengan sebab itu saya merayu dan berharap kapada Kerajaan dan juga kapada ketua2 yang berkenaan supaya bumiputera kita ini, terutama- nya, bangsa Melayu, di-beri utama sadkit dalam pekerjaan saperti kontrek2 yang di-edarkan ol_eh Govern- ment dan juga pejabat2 dalam Government kita mi.

Jika tidaa di-beri pertolongan neschaya mereka itu, sa-bagai yang saya sebutkan, boleh menjadikan lebeh2 merosot daripada masa sekarang.
Saya merayu kapada nehak yang berkuasa, walau pun tender mereka itu teriebeh sadikit daripada yang kechil sa-kali, maka harap-lah saya.

sa-hagai pehak yang berkuasa itu, memberi kontrek2 itu kapada bumiputera mi.
Saya tahu, Yang Berhormat Dato' Yang di-Pertua, pada masa saya bekerj a di-ba wah Kerajaan, saya mengetahu bahawasa-nya gerak-geri bangsa yang lain daripada Melayu, saperti Iionghua atau pun orang China dan juga orang India, mereka itu memang-lah sentiasa menolong bangsa kita, bangsa bumiputera atau pun orange Melayu.
1 etapi j ika sa-kira-nya pehak2 yang berkuasa tidak mahu dan tidak boleh mengendorkan sadikit2 per jalanan ikhtisad di-atas orang Melayu ini, maka saya berfikir dan saya berpengalaman, MARA itu tinggai-lah dengan nama .MARA sahaja.

Kemaraan di-atas orang Melayu itu tidak boleh di-dapati.

Yang demi- kian susah-lah saya berchakap dalam kehidupan bumiputera ini, saperti, Yang Berhormat Dato' sendiri pun tabu.

Saya sokong dengan sa-kuat2-nya undang2 MARA ini, Terima kaseh.
Mr President : Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, persidangan ini di-tanggohkan hingga pada pukul 10.00 pagi hari Isnin 20hb Disember mi.

Adjourned at 4.25 p.m.

WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND INDUSTRY Companies Act 1.
Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar bin Yahya bertanya kapada Menteri Perdagangan dan Perusahaan: (a) bila-kah Kerajaan berchadang hendak menguat-kuasakan Com- panies Act yang telah di-luluskan oleh Parlimen pada meshuarat yang lepas; (b) apa-kah yang menyebabkan ke- lewatan pada menguat-kuasakan Undang2 tersebut itu.

Menteri Perdagangan dan Per- usahaan (Dr Lim Swee Aun): Ada-lah di-jangka bahawa Undang2 Sharikat yang baharu itu akan di-kuat-kuasakan tidak berapa lama lagi.
The Minister of Commerce and Industry ( Dr Lim Swee Aun): It is expected that the new Companies Act will be enforced in the near future.

945 18 DECEMBER 1965.946 MINISTRY OF EDUCATION The Minister of Health (Enche' Housing Allowance Bahaman bin Samsudin): 2: Enche' William Tan asks the Minis- ter .

of Education to state whether teachers in aided schools are in receipt of housing allowances.

The Minister of Education (Enche' Mohd.


Khir Johari): Under the Grant Code Regulations, 1956 made under the provision of section 29 of the (Sarawak) Education Ordinance, 1950, aided school teachers are not eligible for housing allowance.

However, it is :known that in some instances local authorities in Sarawak do pay rent allowance to aided school teachers out of their own funds.

Free Primary Education 3.


Enche' William Tan asks the Minis- ter of Education to state when free primary education in Sarawak will be implemented.

Enche' Mohd .

Khir Johari: Free • primary education will be introduced in Government and Government Aided Schools in Sarawak from the beginning of 1966.

National Language Examination 4.

Enche' William Tan asks the Minis- ter of Education to state why Sarawak citizens are allowed to sit for the National Language examination only in Perengkat One, but not.
Two or Three.

Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari : Sarawak citizens are allowed to sit for the National Language Examination Stages II or III and are even permitted to take this examination before passing the National: Language Examination Stage •1.

MINISTRY OF HEALTH New Sarawak General Hospital 5.

Enche' William Tan asks the Minis- ter of Health to state (a) when the first phase building of the new General Hospital in Kuching will be completed; (b) the estimated cost of equipment for this Hospital.

lain.
lain.

(a) The first phase of the new Sarawak General • Hospital, is ex- pected to be completed 33 months after the commencement of site- work which should be by the end of this year.

(b) A sum of $1,000,000 is available for the.

purchase of medical equipment for the new hospital.

MINISTRY OF LOCAL GOVERN- MENT AND HOUSING Squatters 6.

Enche' William Tan asks the Minis- ter for Local Government and Housing to state whether he would consider re-settling the squatters in front of the A.I.A.
Building in Kuala Lumpur and converting this area into a: public garden, and if so, when appropriate action will be taken.

The Minister for Local Government and Housing (Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh): The Ministry for Local Government and Housing is unable to consider re- settling these squatters as they are on private land.

As the area is private land, he is further unable to consider converting it into a public garden.

PRIME MINISTER'S DEPARTMENT Stenographers 7.


Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar bin Yahya bertanya kapada Perdana Menteri bagaimana-kah kedudokan Juru- trengkas2 Bahasa Inggeris Tetap dan Sementara yang sedang berkhidmat dalam Perj awatan2 Persekutuan apa- bila Bahasa ,Kebangsaan jadi Bahasa rasmi yang tunggal pada tahun 1967 kelak.
Perdana Menteri : Perlembagaan mensharatkan bahawa bagi tempoh sa- lama 10 tahun sa-lepas Hari Merdeka, dan sa-terus-nya sa=lepas itu sa-hingga Parlimen mensharatkan sa-balek-nya, maka Bahasa Inggeris boleh di-guna- kan dalam kedua-dua Dewan Parlimen, dalam Dewan Undangan tiap2 Negeri, dan untok semua perkara2 rasmi yang 947 18 DECEMBER 1965 948 Sa-kira-nya Parlimen dalam tahun 1567 mensharatkan penggunaan Bahasa Kebangsaan, kedudokan Jurutrengkas2 Bahasa Inggeris Tetap tidak akan ber- ubah.
Mereka sedang di-galakkan untok mendapat kelulusan Trengkas Bahasa Melayu dengan di-beri elaun ta' ber- penchen jika lulus Pepereksaan Juru- trengkas Bahasa Melayu Kerajaan sa-pantas 80 p.s.m.

Jurutrengkas2 Bahasa Inggeris Sementara ada-fah di- kehendaki layak dalam Trengkas Bahasa Melayu dengan mendapat kelulusan Pepereksaan Trengkas Ba- hasa Melayu Kerajaan sa-pantas 60 p.s.m.

di-dalam satu2 tempoh yang di- tentukan.

Kedudokan mereka akan di- kaji sa-mula sa-lepas akhir tempoh mi.
Jurutrengkas2 Tetap dan Sementara itu sekarang ini ada-lah juga di-beri elaun jurutrengkas jika mereka menggu- nakan Trengkas Bahasa Melayu dalam kerja2 pejabat mereka.

The Prime Minister : The Constitu- tion provides that for a period of 10 years after Merdeka Day, and there- after until Parliament otherwise pro- vides, the English Language may be used in both Houses of Parliament, in the Legislative Assembly of every State, and for all other official purposes.
Should Parliament in 1967 provide accordingly, the position of Permanent English Language Stenographers will remain unchanged.

They are now being given encouragement to qualify in Malay Stenography by being granted non-pensionable allowance for passing the 80 w.p.m.

Government Malay Language Stenography Examination.

Temporary English Language Steno- graphers are required to qualify in Malay Language Stenography by passing the 60 w.p.m.
Government Malay Language Stenography Exami- nation within a specified period.

Their position will be reviewed after the expiry of this period.

Both Permanent and Temporary Stenographers are at present also granted stenography allowance if they use Malay Language Stenography in their official work.

8.
8.

Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar bin Yahya bertanya kapada Perdana Menteri berapa-kah jumlah bilangan jurutreng- kas Bahasa kebangsaan yang berkhid- mat dalam Perj awatan Persekutuan pada masa ini, dan berapa ramai di-antara mereka daripada bangsa Melayu.

Perdana Menteri : Bilangan Juru- trengkas2 Bahasa Melayu Tetap dan Sementara dalam Perjawatan Perse- kutuan is-lah 54 orang dan angka ini tidak menunjokkan jumlah mengikut bangsa.
Bilangan ini akan di-tambah apabila Surohanjaya Perkhidmatan `Awam selesai menj alankan kerj a mengambil pekerja2 tidak berapa lama agi.

The Prime Minister : The number of Permanent and Temporary Malay Language Stenographers on the Federal Establishment is 54 and the figure is not classified by race.

This number will be increased when the Public Services Commission has completed a recruitment exercise shortly.

MINISTRY OF WELFARE SERVICES Regrouped Centres 9.


Enche' William Tan asks the Minis- ter for Welfare Services to state when welfare services can be provided for Regrouped Centres which have over 8,000 people, half of whom are children, along the Simanggang Road, Kuching.
The Minister of Welfare Services (Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan): Provision of welfare services in the Regrouped Centres is a State respon- sibility and it is therefore suggested that the Honourable Member raise the matter with the Sarawak Government.

Malaysian Students in England 10.

Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar bih Yahya bertanya kapada Menteri Kebajikan `Am: (a) apa-kah jadi-nya suatu Penyia- satan di-atas masaalah2 yang di-hadapi oleh Penuntut2 Malay- sia yang berada di-England pada 949 18 DECEMBER 1965 .
950 masa ini, yang telah di-seleng- garakan oleh Enche' Colin Abraham, sa-orang Pegawai Kementerian Kebajikan `Am; dan (b) boleh-kah Penyata Penyelidekan itu di-bentangkan dalam Parli- men, jika telah lengkap.
Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: (a) Penyiasatan yang di-sebutkan oleh Yang Berhormat Ahli itu ada-lah di-jalankan oleh Enche' Colin Abraham dengan chara ber- sendirian sa-bagai memenohi sa-bahagian daripada sharat2 Kursus Dasar Kemasharakatan yang sedang di-ambil oleh-nya di-Maktab Pengajian Kemasha- rakatan, di-Bandar Hague, Hol- land dengan Hadiah Biasiswa Keraj aan Belanda.

Ada-lah di- fahamkan bahawa penyata pen- yiasatan itu belum lagi siap.
r(b) Oleh sebab penyata itu bukan laporan rasmi, tidak-lah dapat di- bentangkan-nya dalam Parlimen.

'Than Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: to know that the State Government had already received representations from all divisions of Government Servants in Sabah for increase in salaries.

These representations had already been submitted to the Salaries Commission for consideration.

MINISTRY OF EDUCATION Posting of Teachers 12.

Dato' J.
Dato' J.

A. Angian Andulag asks the Minister of Education whether he would arrange for Sabah teachers who have been trained in the National Language, in Kuala Lumpur, to be posted to national schools in the rural areas in Sabah to teach the National Language in view of the fact that students in those areas do not have adequate knowledge of the National Language.

Enche' Mohd .
Khir Johari: Sabah teachers who have been trained in the National Language in Kuala Lumpur will be posted back to the Government Primary Schools from which they came, (a) The Survey referred to by the or to other Government Primary Honourable Member was carried Schools in the same area, at the dis- out by Enche' Colin Abraham in cretion of the Divisional Education his private capacity as part requirement of the Social Policy Course which he is undertaking at the Hague on a Fellowship awarded by the Netherlands Government.
It is understood that the Report on the Survey has yet to be completed.

Officers.

The medium of instruction in these schools in Malay.

They will be responsible for the organisation of the teaching of the Malay language in these Government Primary Schools and, at the discretion of the Education Officer, in assisting the National Lan- guage Teaching programme in schools where the medium of instruction is not (b) The Report, being unofficial will therefore, not be presented to Malay.

Parliament.
Parliament.

PRIME MINISTER'S DEPARTMENT 1.1.

Dato' J.

A. Angian Andulag asks the Prime Minister whether he would increase the salary of Government servants in Sabah in view of the high cost of living in that State.

The Prime Minister : Civil Servants in Sabah are employees of the State Government.

Any revision of salary therefore will have to be considered by that Government.
In this connection it may interest the Honourable Member MINISTRY OF WORKS, POSTS AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS Bridges across Sungai Bayayo 13.

Dato ' J.

A. Angian Andulag asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications whether Govern- ment will construct a bridge across the 170 feet wide Sungai Bayayo, Sabah, in order to assist traffic across this river in time of flood.
The Minister of Works , Posts and Telecommunications (Dato ' V. T. Sambanthan): I understand from the State Government that it is anticipated 951 18 DECEM BER 1965 952 that this bridge will be constructed late in the development plan period.

The The Minister for Local Government and Housing (Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh): cost will likely be high and low priority In so far as Federal Officers in Sabah is being given on current economic are concerned, it is not the policy of grounds.
Efforts will be made to effect the Federal Government to build.

improvements in the near future.

quarters for them.

14.

Dato' J.

A. Angian Andulag asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing whether Government would consider constructing quarters for Government servants in Sabah.

As for State Officers serving the Government of Sabah it is a matter for the State Government to consider constructing quarters for them.

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