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Volume II No.

11 Wednesday 22nd December, 1965 P A R LIAMENTA R Y D E B ATES DEWAN NEGARA (SENATE) OFFICIAL REPORT (SECOND SESSION OF THE SECOND DEWAN NEGARA) CONTENTS EXEMPTED BUSINESS (Motion) [Col. 11811 ADJOURNMENT SINE DIE (Motion) [Col. 11811 BILLS- The Supply Bill, 1966 [Col. 1182] The Prevention of Crime (Amendment) Bill [Col. 1298] The Passports Bill [Col. 13011 The Immigration (Amendment) (No.

2) Bill [Col. 13051 The Divorce (Amendment) Bill [Col. 1306] The Penal Code (Amendment) (No.
2) Bill [Col. 1307] The Rubber Research Institute of Malaya Bill [Col. 1308] The Malaysian Timber Export Industry Board (Incorporation) Bill [Col. 1311] The Pineapple Industry (Amendment) Bill [Col. 1319] The National Productivity Council (Incorporation) Bill [Col. 1321] The Women and Girls (Appointment of Places of Safety) Bill [Col. 13241 The Mui Tsai (Repeal) Bill [Col. 1331] The Employment (Amendment) Bill [Cot.

1333] The Co-operative Societies (Amendment) Bill [Cot.
1337] The National Land Rehabilitation and Consolidation Authority (Incorporation) Bill [Col. 1350] The Societies Bill [Col. 1354] The Merchant Shipping (Amendment) Bill [Col. 13661 The Road Traffic (Amendment) Bill [Col. 13691 ORDER OF BUSINESS (Motion) [Cot.

13201 DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH MOKHTAR BIN HAJI SHAMSUDDIN, PENGUASA JOHOR BAHRU 1967 Harga: $1 DEWAN NEGARA (SENATE).

MALAYSIA Official Report Vol.

II Second Session of the Second Dewan Negara No.


11 Wednesday , 22nd December, 1965 The Senate met at Ten o'clock a. m. PRESENT; The Honourable Mr President , DATO ' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN BIN MOHAMED YASIN, S.P.M.J., P.I.S., J. P. (Johore).

„ ENCHE ' A. ARUNASALAM , A.M.N.

(Appointed).

„ ENCHE ' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN AHMAD (Perlis).

ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN OSMAN , P.J.K.

(Appointed).

t, TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN HAJI ABDULLAH , A.M.N.

(Penang).

„ TURN HAJI AHMAD BIN HAJI ABDUL MANAP , P.P.N.

(Melaka).
(Melaka).

CHE' AISHAH BINTI HAJI ABDUL GHANI (Appointed).

CHE' BIB!

AISHA BINTI HAMID DON, A .

M.N.

(Appointed).

ENCHE' AMALUDDIN BIN DARUS (Kelantan).

„ ENCHE ' AWANG DAUD MATUSIN (Appointed).

„ DATU TUANKU BUJANG BIN TUANKU HAJI OTHMAN (Sarawak).

ENCHE ' CHAN KEONG HON (Appointed).

„ ENCHE' CHAN KWONG-HON , J.M.N., S .

M.N., J.P .

( Selangor).

ENCHE' CHEAH SENG KHIM, J.P. (Penang).

„ DATO' J. E. S. CRAWEORD , D.P.M.P.

, J.M.N., J.P., Dato' Kurnia Inder^► (Appointed).


ENCHE ' D. S. DORAI RAJ, A.

M.N., P.J.K.

(Appointed).

DATO' FOO SEE MOI, D.

P.M.K., J. P. (Appointed).

„ ENCHE' GAN TECK YEOW, J.M.N.

(Appointed).

„ ENCHE' GOH CHEK KIN , P.J.K.

(Trengganu).

ENCHE' HOH CHEE CHEONG, A.M.N., J.P. (Pahang).

ENCHE' C. D. ISMAIL , J.M.N., J.P. (Appointed).

„ ENCHE' ANDREW JIKA LANDAU (Appointed).

DATO' Y. T. LEE, D.P.M.S., J.M .

N., P.J.K., J.P. (Appointed).

ENCHE' LIM HEE HONG , J.M.N., J .

P. (Appointed).


ENCHE' LIM Joo KONG, J.P. (Kedah).

ENCHE' MOHAMED ADIB BIN OMAR, P.J.K.

(Trengganu) „ DATU PENGIRAN MOHAMED DIGADONG GALPAM, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

DATO' HAJI MOHAMED NOAH BIN OMAR, P.M.N., S.P.M.J., D.P.M.B., P.I.S., J .

P. (Appointed).

1179 22 DECEMBER 1965 1180 The Honourable TUAN HAJI MOHAMED SAAID BIN HAJI ABU BAKAR (Appointed).

ENCHE' ATHI NAHAPPAN (Appointed).

NIK HASSAN BIN HAJI NIK YAHYA, J.M.N.

(Appointed).
(Appointed).

„ TEMENGGONG OYONG LAWAI JAU (Sarawak).

TOK PANGKU PANDAK HAMID BIN PUTEH JALI, P.J.K.

(Appointed).

ENCHE' SAIDON BIN KECHUT, A.M.N.

(Appointed).

DATO' SHEIKH ABU BAKAR BIN YAHYA AL-HAJ, D.P.M.J., P.I.

s., J.P. (Johore).

DATO' G. SHELLEY, P.M.N., J.P. (Appointed).

TUAN SYED AHMAD BIN SYED MAHMUD SHAHABUDIN, J.M.N., S.M.K., J.P. (Kedah).

TUAN SYED DARUS BIN SYED HASHIM (Perlis).

ENCHE' WILLIAM TAN (Appointed).

DATO' T. H. TAN, P.M.N.

(Appointed).


„ ENCHE' S. O. K. UBAIDULLA, J.M.N .

(Appointed).

„ WAN MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI WAN ALT, S.M.K.

(Kelantan).

„ ENCHE' YAHYA BIN AHMAD, P.J.K.

(Negri Sembilan).

„ ENCHE' YAHYA BIN HAJI AHMAD (Perak).

ABSENT: The Honourable the Minister without Portfolio, DATO ' ONG YOKE LIN, P.M.N.

(Appointed).

DATU JOSEPH AUGUSTINE ANGIAN ANDULAG, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

„ DATO' DR CHEAH TOON LOK, D.

P.M.K., D.

M.K., J.M .

N., J.P. (Appointed).

ENCTIE' HONG KiM SU I (Appointed).


ENCHE ' KHOO TECK PUAT (Appointed).

ENCHE' KOH KIM LENG (Malacca).

DATO' L EE FOONG YEE, J.

M.N., P.P .

T., J.P .

(Negri Sembilan).

„ ENCHE' S. P. S. NATHAN (Appointed).

RAJA RASTAM SHAHROME BIN RAJA SAID TAUPHY (Selangor). "

DATO ' E. E. C. THURAISINGHAM , D.P.M.J ., J.P. (Appointed). "

DATO' WAN IBRAHIM BIN WAN TANJONG, J.M.N., P.J.K., Orang Kaya Indera Maharaja Purba Jelai (Pahang).

ENCHE' YEOH KIAN TEIK (Perak).


IN ATTENDANCE : The Honourable the Minister of Home Affairs and Minister of Justice, DATO' DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N.

(Johor Timor).

the Minister of Transport, DATO' HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N.

(Pontian Utara).

the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan).

1181 22 DECEMBER 1965 1182 The Honourable the Minister for Welfare Services , CAPT.

HMI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT AL!


KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang).

the Minister for Local Government and Housing, ENCHE' KHAW KAI-BOH, P.J.K.

(Ulu Selangor).

the Minister of Labour, ENCHE' V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P .J.K.

(Kiang).

the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, TURN HAJI MOHD.

GHAZALI BIN HAJI JAW!

(Ulu Perak).. the Minister of Lands and Mines, ENCHE' ABDUL-RAHMAN BIN YA`KUB (Sarawak).
the Assistant Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ABDUL KADIR, J.M.N., S.M,T., P.J.K., (Trengganu Tengah) (Telok Anson).

the Assistant Minister of Finance, DR NG KAM Pox, J.P. PRAYERS Resolved, That at its rising today the Senate shall stand adjourned sine die.
(Mr President in the Chair) EXEMPTED BUSINESS (Motion) Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move, That notwithstanding the provisions on the Question, "That the Bill be now of Standing Order 11, the Senate shall read a second time" (21st December, Order read for resumption of debate THE SUPPLY BILL, 1966 Second Reading not adjourn until consideration of all 1965).

Government business set out on the Order Paper for today has been completed.

the motion.
the motion.

Resolved, Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second Question put, and agreed to.

That notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 11, the Senate shall not adjourn until consideration of all Government business set out on the Order Paper for today has been completed.

ADJOURNMENT SINE DIE (Motion) Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move, Tuan Hari .

Ahmad bin Haji Abdullah: Kato' Yang di-Pertua, sambongan saya sa-malam ....... Mr President : Ada sambongan lagi?
Jangan panjang sangat, sebab kita satu hari sahaja hari ini ada 18 Rang Undang lags akan di-perbahathkan.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Haji Abduilah: Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya menyentoh sadikit perkara yang berkaitan dengan chukai talipon.
Pem- bayaran talipon ini sudah pun berbangkit, y a n g menyebabkan macham2 perkara telah terj adi d an Dewan ini juga ada mengshorkan supaya meminda chara bayaran2 tali- pon itu di-bayar dengan chara di-tambah pendapatan daripada mengambil daripada internal-nya That at its rising today the Senate bayaran bulanan.

Tetapi, saya kata shall stand adjourned sine die.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.


di-sini, perkara chukai, yang susah-nya satu sahaja, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, sa-barang chukai yang di-ambil oleh Kerajaan yang mana Ke^ajaan men- jalankan chukai2 itu, Batang-nya 1183 22 DECEMBER 1965 1184 daripada Dewan Ra`ayat , kemudian kapada Dewan Negara .
Kalau tidak ada keputusan daripada Dewan Saya tidak bersetuju saperti mana ada sa-tengah2 yang mengshorkan di- tambah di-atas pembayaran talipon Ra`ayat dan Dewan Negara , tidak ada daripada $15 menjadi $20, itu kalau pengsahan dari pehak yang berkuasa chukai itu tidak berjalan.

Mithal-nya satu sahaja manakala satu2 chukai di-kenakan sa-chara pukul rata tidak kira orang kaya, orang miskin , chukai itu nama -nya chukai tidak `adil.
Penggunaan2 talipon oleh pehak2 orang yang menchari kese- nangan, menchari kekayaan , menchari kemewahan , kalau sa-kira-nya dia hendak menggunakan banyak-chakap banyak dalam urusan2-nya, sudah patut-lah dia membayar.

Tetapi, urusan2-nya dia hendak , supaya di- adakan perjalanan dengan lichin, dan kehasilan-nya banyak .
Tetapi sa-juzu' yang di-ambil oleh pehak yang ber- kuasa, di-sini bertindak , ada sa- tengah2 yang mengatakan chukai itu pemba- yaran di-atas panggilan talipon lebeh daripada sa-ratus panggilan itu tidak `adil.

Saya rasa apa yang telah di- buat di-pinda mengenai pembayaran talipon yang di-buat oleh Yang Ber- hormat Menteri Kewangan kits, ada- lah chukup2 baik .

Kita dudok dalam Dewan ini, sa-barang undang2 yang kita hendak timbangkan, biar-lah dengan timbangan yang `adil jangan berat sa-belah .
Kalau main berat sa- belah tidak boleh .

Sa-rupa dengan kedudokan Dewan ini bagitu juga tidak `adil.

Saraan di-sabelah beri chukup, yang sa-belah lagi di-beri tidak chukup itu juga tidak `adil.

Pendek kata, bukan sa-kadar chukai2 atau pun bayaran di-atas panggilan talipon itu sahaja sa-barang-nya.
Kerana kalau tumboh -nya sa-suatu chukai yang tidak sesuai dan tidak `adil, kita sa-sama kita tidak mengapa- lah, kita di-duna sahaja tidak apa, tetapi yang susah -nya, sa - telah kta mengagong2kan yang negara in i merasmikan Islam menjadi ugama rasmi , bila sa-suatu kerja kita men- j2lankan tidak kena pada tempat-nya tidak `adil, agak saya , kita tidak boleh lari daripada kesalahan yang kita lakukan itu, daripada pehak yang menguasai seluroh `slam ini, is-itu Tuhan.
orange yang menggunakan talipon, kerana orange yang menggunakan talipon itu orang yang berkeadaan.

Orange miskin, dia tidak hendak gunakan talipon itu.

Sa-kali sa-kala sahaja dia hendak menggunakan.

Kalau dia kena bayar pun tidak banyak .

Kalau ada yang menggunakan talipon itu pun, pada pehak orange yang susah ini , sadikit, tetapi orang yang bekerja menchari penghidupan dan perniagaan dan sa-bagai-nya, banyak.
Jangan- lah sa-mata2 hendak di-kirakan chara masok sahaja, tetapi chara keluar-nya yang muslihat itu kesemua - nya terputang kapa d a negara kita sendiri.

Bila kata pulang kapada negara kita sendiri, pulang kapada kita - lah kesemua-nya.

Yang selalu berbangkit dalam perkara chukai ini, sa-barang chukai, bila datang tahunan, atau dalam Dewan2, sama ada Dewan Ra`ayat, Dewan Negara atau Dewan Negeri perkara chukai itu chukup rumit.
Ada daripada manusia2, buat kata orang Melayu, kalau hendak makan sahaja dengan tidak berak, pechah perut.

Tetapi, hendak suroh Kerajaan ini berak, berak, berak !

hendak sarakan dalam Kemajuan Luar Bandar, Per- tahanan dan sa-bagai-nya, negeri dalam konfrantasi , kalau Kerajaan ini tidak dapat hendak makan macham mana hendak suroh berak.

Kalau hendak suroh teran juga, keluar tombong-lah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

Jadi kita dudok dalam Dewan ini kita hendak-lah insaf sadikit .
Gunong yang susah itu banyak, tetapi gunong yang susah itu banyak, tetapi gunong yang senang itu tidak banyak.

Sa-barang chukai, sa-barang apa juga yang di-ambil, kalau sama di-antara orang kaya dengan orang miskin, tidak `adil.

Bila tumboh tidak `adil, jadi dzalim, bila dzalim, berdosa.

Maka, sebab itu menasabah apa yang telah di-boat oleh pehak Kabinet, erti-nya Menteri Kewangan kita meletakkan pembayaran itu ada-lah menasabah.

Tidak payah bising lagi tidak payah 1185 22 DECEMBER 1965 1186 pinda.
Kalau kita hendak berchakap banyak, bayar-lah.

Orang yang tidak berchakap banyak dia bayar sadikit.

Sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, perkara bantuan kapada Sekolah Ugama Ra`ayat.

Saya minta- lah kapada pehak yang bertanggong- jawab menimbangkan rayuan saya, kerana saya ini selalu di-datangi ka- rumah tidak berhenti2 slang, malam pukul 3.00 malam pun marl lagi.

Tetapi dalam pada itu pun, ada orang berkata "Ahli Dewan Negara ini bukan apa, main rubber stamp sahaja".
Tetapi, dia tidak sedar siang malam kena buat kerja.

Bukan Dewan Ra`ayat sahaja bertanggong-jawab.

Hingga layanan pun tidak boleh di- beri kapada Ahli Dewan Negara ini kerana mereka tidor sahaja bukan kerja apa rubber stamp !
Bantuan kadang2 sampai berbulan2 sudah-lah bantuan itu sadikit ma`alum-lah di- dahulukan Sekolah Ugama Ra`ayat ini kerana dha`if -nya dan kelemahan- nya boleh di-katakan kebanyakan guru yang mengaj ar sa-chara lillahi ta`ala benar2 kerana bertanggong-jawab di- atas perkembangan ugama.

Jadi saya merayu-lah di-sini kapada Menteri kita is-itu saya berharap tolong sampaikan-lah supaya bantuan2 itu j angan lewat, j angan lama2 sangat, kerana susah-nya bagi guru2 yang mengajar.
Perkara ugama di-dalam Sekolah Ugama Ra`ayat di-pandang rendah oleh sa-tengah2 orang.

Tetapi sa-benar-nya perkembangan politik ini daripada mula-nya lagi, kalau tidak silap, Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri sendiri berkata : "saya dok sangka rupa-nya mereka jalan bawa unchang, bawa itu, bawa ini, rupa-nya itu ada politik pada mereka."

Ini cherita betul Yang Ter- amat Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri sendiri.
Bererti perkembangan politik ini boleh di-katakan banyak yang tumboh daripada Sekolah2 Ugama Ra`ayat.

Ini siapa pun tidak boleh menafikan saya sa-orang daripada- nya.

Jadi rayuan ini meminta-fah chepatkan sadikit kerana bantuan ini bukan-lah banyak.

Jadi bila sampai bantuan itu seronok-lah sadikit guru2 itu.
Sa-lain daripada itu, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, sunggoh pun meshuarat kita ini hendak di-habiskan dengan sa- chepat2-nya pads hari ini, ini-lah yang melemakan sadikit, Dewan Ra`ayat bermeshuarat berpuloh2 hari, tetapi Dewan Negara ini dengan masa yang sa-kejap sahaja.

Ada sa-tengah2-nya yang hendak mengeluarkan apa yang dalam hati, tidak dapat, maka sebab itu-lah sa-tengah2 Ahli Dewan Ra`ayat mengechap Ahli Dewan Negara ini sa-bagai Ahli Rubber Stamp.
Sebab itu- lah elaun pun tidak patut sama, biarkan $500 tidak usah $750.

Pada hal kita j uga berhak, tidak berj clan Dewan Ra`ayat melainkan dengan kelulusan daripada kita sendiri.

Itu patut di- timbangkan jikalau tidak mahu Dewan ini senget (Ketawa).

Dato' Yang di-Pertua, Sekolah Pertanian yang di-Bumbong Lima di- sana hampir siap.

Ini sa-buah Sekolah Pertanian yang mana sekolah itu-lah yang chukup2 memberi faedah.
Dengan keluar-nya penuntut2 daripada Sekolah Pertanian itu akan berkembang-lah berchuchok tanam khas-nya berchu- chok tanam daripada makanan2 yang mema`amorkan negeri.

Saya harap Sekolah Pertanian yang terletak di- Bumbong Lima, di-Kepala Batas sana tempat saya sendiri, ini bukan hak Kepala Batas sendiri tetapi hak seluroh-nya tetapi di-buat di-sana sebab di-sana kawasan2 padi banyak, padi dua kali sa-tahun, tiga kali pun boleh.
Di-uchapkan terima kaseh kapada Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama, tetapi malang-nya pula di- letakkan Sekolah Pertanian itu di-sana khas-nya tempat itu padi chukup banyak.
Dato' Yang di-Pertua, yang men- datangkan rumit bagi kami sana, bila peluang2 itu telah di-tedangkan kapada mereka sedangkan Kerajaan sendiri telah meletakkan Sekolah Pertanian itu di-Bumbong Lima di-kawasan2 yang benar2 banyak padi dan jiran di-tepi-nya itu Kedah bagitu juga kawasan-nya chukup banyak padi Kedah-lah nombor satu fasal padi.

Manakala hendak buat kilang kertas, Oh !


j erami tidak chukup, bahan di- buat daripada jerami nilai kertas tidak 1187 22 DECEMBER 1965 1188 baik dan bermacham2 hujah lagi telah di-beri.

Pada ha!

Tunku Yang Teramat Mulia sendiri, manakala hendak boat kilang baja dan kilang kertas, Tunku Perdana Menteri sendiri mengatakan kalau dual sa-kali di-buat tentu terok, belanja amat besar.

Oleh itu buat-lah dahulu kilang kertas-dia menyokong.
Kalau Perdana Menteri sendiri sudah beri sokongan, mengapa Pula terbalek ?

Kalau Tunku Yang Teramat Mulia Perdana Menteri sendiri, mengenal fasal bumiputera, bila dia beri satu ta`arif semua Oran) kata Ya !

betul, ikut Perdana Menteri."

Tetapi tentang ini, kami tidak boleh.

Ini pelek sadikit.

Dato' Yang di-Pertua, beri-lah sadikit !


Sebab saya j uga satu daripada- nya, bukan anggota, tetapi yang ber- ikhtiar bersama2 dengan pehak yang hendak mendirikan kilang kertas di- sana telah bersusah payah membanchi segala jerami2 dan sa-bagai-nya, tetapi dengan kegagalan, tunggu dari sa-tahan ka-satahun sa-hingga saham pun tidak berapa orang hendak keluarkan, ini semis karut belaka.
Yang lebeh2 mendukachitakan kami di-sana, takut dengan kerana akibah itu, kami hendak buat kerj a pun payah kerana d i - chapkan kami Wakil Ra`ayat ini-lah wakil yang chukup2 pembohong.

Datang beri propaganda untok mena- rek pengundi2 sahaja tetapi buat-nya tidak.

Yang hendak timpa bala itu atas kepala kami.


Oleh itu, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya berchakap di-sini supaya dapat kira-nya pehak yang bertanggong-jawab dalam perkara per- u sahaan, tolong-lah timbang sa-mina dan bantuan2 itu patut sangat di-beri, faedah-nya terpulang kapada ahli2 peladang yang kesemua-nya boleh di-katakan chukup banyak.

Saya takut satu sahaja, kerana orang Melayu-lah yang chukup banyak mengambil peranan di-dalam persawa- han.
Kalau kegagalan pula terj adi di-atas perkara ini, saya takut banyak lagi perkara lain akan gagal, kerja2 kita juga akan rosak.

Sebab itu-lah ner- timbangan patut di-buat dan Yang Teramat Mulia sendiri, saya dengar dia sendiri pun bersetuju.

Saya dengar pula perkara ini mengatakan, pehak yang bertanggong-jawab sendiri tidak menyampaikan perkara ini, tidak membawa perkara ini di-dalam Kabinet.
Jadi sebab itu saya merayu- lah di-pertimbangkan balek sa-mula juga perkara yang berkaitan dengan Bertam Estate yang telah di-beli oleh Bank Persatuan Saberang Perai, boleh di-katakan memberi faedah kapada seluroh orange yang susah di-dalam kawasan utara, banyak.

Tetapi mengenai kedudokan pinjaman Bank itu terhadap pehak yang meminjam, bayaran bunga pun sudah berpuloh2 ribu.
Jadi saya merayu-lah perkara2 ini telah pun ma`alum pehak Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama supaya boleh di-beri pinjaman mudah2- han dapat-lah Bank Kesatuan ini menyelesaikan kedudokan Bertam Es- tate itu supaya ahli2 jawatankuasa-nya dapat tidor lena sadikit.

Ini tiap2 malam macham hendak nechah kepala mengenangkan kedudokan Bertam Estate.

Dato' Yang di-Pertua, perkara yang berkaitan dengan luar negeri.
Ada juga saya dapati saperti mana Duta atau Konsol-nya dan kaki-tangan-nya yang berada di-Judah dan yang ada di-Republik Arab Bersatu.

Tetapi yang aneh-nya.

di-Judah bagi pehak Kera- jaan Saudi Arabia, kita tahu banyak daripada orange kita, khas-nya orang Islam-lah kerana tempat itu tempat orange Islam, bila pergi ka-sana, bila balek, bermacham2 angkara telah ber- laku dalam negeri kita mi.
Fatwa2 telah di-beri kadang2 di-sana, dia ta' tahu kedudokan negeri, jadi bagi pehak wakil Kerajaan ini yang ada di-Judah di-sana, sa-patut-nya di-tempat itu-lah di-datangi oleh manusia dari sa-genap cherok pelusok, merata dunia, kembangkan-lah pene- rangan supaya orange tahu kedudokan kita ini khas-nya yang tinggal di-sana yang ta' balek2 supaya j angan d i - fatwakan dengan buta-tuli, dia dudok di-sana dia ta' tahu kedudokan kita di-sini_.
Ada sa-tengah2-nya sunggoh pun dia berasal dari sini tetapi dudok d^-sana ta' balek2, dia sudah bertanah ayer di-sana.
Sunggoh pun orang Melayu ta' tahu hal ehwal di-sini, orang di-sini pula membawa perkara2 itu dan dia ta' tahu 11 89 22 DECEMBER 1965 1190 dari hal ehwal selok kedudokan di-situ Dato' Yang di-Pertua, d-harap bagi tumboh-lah perkara2 yang tidak di- pehak Kerajaan kita ini dapat dual ingini sa-hingga datang sa-orang dari- buah negeri itu, tolong-lah a moil pada sa-tengah2 orang itu kerana dua chara2 yang membawakan kebaikan tiga orang sudah menjadi rumit dalam negara kta ini, perkembangan ugama negeri kita ini tidak dapat hendak di- selesaikan.
Sebab perkara itu saya salah sa-orang daripada kawan2 saya dalam soal2 ugama yang sesuai dengan pemerentahan, di-perkembangkan di- sana dengan chukup2 kapada orange yang lain lagi yang selalu menutupkan yang ada di-sang daripada orange perkara yang berbangkit di-atas Melayu yang menjadi ra`ayat di-sana kedudokan negara kita mi.
Jadi saya harap-lah pehak Kerajaan kita ini sa-bagai sa-buah Kerajaan yang merasmikan ugama Islam menjadi ugama yang tunggal, supaya memberi arahan, bantuan yang lebeh2 banyak supaya di-perkembangkan benar2 di- tanah suchi sana tempat perhimpunan manusia yang datang daripada sa- genap cherok pelusok.
Bagitu juga Duta di-Republik Arab Bersatu, wakil kita di-Republik Arab Bersatu yang ada di-Cairo ma`alum negara, negara goyang padang pasir kalau-lah susah sadikit kalau2 kita dudok di-sana silap2 sadikit kita kelamkabut di-buat- nya juga lama2 meja dan kerusi pun tertinggal kalau2 ta' silap, sebab di- natahkan oleh orange di-sabelah timor, khas-nya, di-Tanah Arab dengan kata2 pepatah mereka, "Negara, kau datang sa-chara apa, kaya dalam itu pun ada kaya kau datang sho` dalam itu pun ada sho` kau, datang miskin, dalam negara ini ada miskin, serba serbi-nya, Mr President : Saya harap tuan rengkaskan perchakapan tuan itu sadikit supaya memberi peluang orang lain dapat berchakap.
Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Haji Abdullah : Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya pun hendak rengkaskan juga dengan sa-berapa boleh-nya.

Ini-lah yang susah yang saya katakan tadi, Dewan Ra`ayat bermeshuarat berhari2 yang kita ini dengan tergopoh-gapah selalu j adi pekak telinga, pedeh, bawa beg naik lalu ini puck rubber stamp sudah man, dudok sini na' luas sadikit ta' boleti, bawa beg puak Dewan Senget sudah maxi.
Jadi di-sini keluar sadikit pun ta' boleh, Jadi saya pun tidak tahu yang ta' balek ka-sini supaya orange yang pergi ka-sana tidak membawa balek perkara yang remit yang susah- nya wakil2-lah besok yang pechah kepala.

Dato' Yang di-Pertua, bagitu juga perkara yang berkaitan dengan ter- jadi-nya di-Dewan Ra`ayat perkara bakal2 haji.

Tempelak2 sudah berlaku, saya takut satu dengan jiran tetangga di-Indonesia sana pun sudah bangkit konfrantasi, sudah kelamkabut dengan kita, sudah na' putus.
Kita harap talak dua-fah, jangan-lah talak tiga; ada la.gi rujok, ada dapat rujok balek.

Lepas daripada itu sa-buah lagi sudah berlaku dengan Pakistan.

Kita harap juga talak dua, bukan talak tiga.

Ini-lah pula kalau di-bangkitkan tidak kena gaya-nya pula, silap2 pula putus satu lagi.

Jadi dengan chary putus dengan negeri2 ini, putus per- hubongan, lagi kelam-kabut.
Negeri ini tempat kita, mahu tidak mahu, terpaksa orang kita terpaksa kena pergi ka-tempat2 itu, ada satu rukun yang terpaksa hendak kena buat.

Jadi berbangkit perkara fasal haji saya ini pun lama juga dudok di-sana.

Perkara fasal jualan2 kapada orange haji, jadi satu bahan di-uchapkan di-dalam Dewan Ra'ayat, pada hal yang saya tabu, saya pun lama bukan hendak Bela Kerajaan Saudi Arabia.

tetapi sa-bagai tempat itu tempat haji saya pun lama di-sana.
Tumboh- nya perkataan tipu-menipu macham2 chara, bawa barang2 pergi jual kapada orang haji.

Kalau orang bawa barang itu jual kapada kita, kalau kita tidak mahu beli, apa salah-nya.

Orang hendak jual baran, kalau kita tidak mahu beli, tidak-lah patut dia chekek leher.

Mengapa di-bangkit2kan perkara hendak kata apa.

ltu.

1191 22 DECEMBER 1965 1192 Saya takutkan, ini sa - buah negeri, magi-lah dengan sedeh .
Hendak retak, sa-buah negeri j adi putus besok, kita yang saya takutkan ini sa-buah negeri, sudah dudok di-tinggalkan macham sa-buah negeri , lama2 kelam-kabut kera sumbang takut putus .

Sa-bagai kita.

Dewan ini yang di-uchapkan oleh sa-tengah2 Ahli2 Dewan Ra`ayat-- Senate elaun pun tidak boleh sama sana $750.00 di-sini $500 .

00 sama?

Tidak boleh !

Kita berfikir panjang di- Jadi saya perbetulkan balek perkara ini yang sa - benar-nya tidak salah kita.
Kurang daripada Duta2 kita yang ada di-sana, yang bertanggong -jawab di- atas satu2 perkara , j angan berlaku-nya sana, bukan dudok di - pejabat hendak kedudokan di-antara sa-buah negara menjalankan case passport sahaja, dengan sa-buah negara , khas-nya tern- tetapi yang banyak lagi, wakil kita di- pat yang kita terpaksa menunaikan sana diplomat apa-kah kerj a-nya?

rukun2 haji yang lima di-sana.


Kalau tumboh-nya di-hati mereka kesedehan di-atas paluan2 yang timbul di-Dewan Ra`ayat ini ma`alum sahaja-lah Keraj aan Arab Saudi , kalau tidak silap saya, ini Kerajaan kaya raja minyak.
Dahulu di-Mekah boleh di-katakan terlalu banyak orang haji kadang2 ber- larat dengan taun , tetapi sa-panjang j clan sekarang di-ikhtiarkan , di-usaha- kan kesihatan2 , boleh di-katakan orang yang menjaga kesihatan sa-panjang jalan, di - buat -nya jalan berbatu2 kerana hendak memberi orange haji ini pergi mengambil haji dengan senang.
Tiba2 dengan kerana perkara kechil, fasal nama , ada tipu helah pula meng- ambil nama orang "kaiau hang hendak buboh nama hang, tolong-lah tukar nama saya Awang Dokek dahulu, apa yang sesuai bagi saya".
To'2 Sheikh fikir juga, sebab saya pun tahu perkara ini yang banyak daripada sa-belah Indonesia-lah nama pelek2, sa-belah kita ini pun ada, j uga tetapi sa-belah kita ini kurang nama2 itu bagus, j adi dalam sa-tengah2 negeri nama2 itu tidak bagus , meminta kapada To' Sheikh kadang2 tok' ulama', "Tuan tolong-iah menamakan saya ini" dia pun saya pun boleh tunj okkan chara-nya itu, buka kapala lutut ambit serban ikat di-kepala, ambil letak di-atas kepala itu ...... (bahasa Arab) .
Erti-nya , aku namakan ini si-anu , si-anu , alfa-tihah !

Bacha- lah fatihah meminta berkat, tolong- lah ubah nama saya ini .

Ini bukan kerj a tipu, kita yang hendak orang kita yang hendak, bagitu j uga mereka, kita yang hendak .

Kalau di-angkat perkara2 dalam Dewan Ra`ayat sa- tengah Wakil Ra`ayat tidak tahu, Dia kena masok merata cherok di-mana Tok2 Sheikh yang berasa nampak-nya merbahaya kapada kita, masok beri tahu ini dia chara bagi kita, ini chara -nya.
Tidak ada yang lain2 bila mana Saya bercherita, aku sudah tahu case itu j angan di-kachau2 ini, tetapi kalau kita dudok diam sahaja, ashek dudok hendak dudok tunggu passport, orang haji datang sahaja baharu hendak buat kerja, many boleh macham itu.

Ini-lah dia, Dato' Yang di-pertua , yang Saya dapat kerana saya ini pun banyak gang di- Mekah , j adi perkhabaran banyak datang pada saya , walau pun di- Khairah pun gang saya banyak.

Saya minta-lah perkara ini di -perbetulkan.


Sa-lain daripada itu, sadikit me- ngenal kedudokan penuntut2 yang balek daripada Al-Azahar , supaya dapat satu pertimbangan, bukan-lah sa-kadar yang mana balek dari Al-Azhar itu boleh dudok dalarn j awatan ugama sahaja, kerana mereka j uga dapat pengalaman yang banyak.

Jangan Pula sa -tengah2 memikirkan kaiau pergi Bela j ar ugama dudok dalazn sekolah2 ugama atau di-Univer- sity Al-Azhar juga pelajaran ugama sahaja, tetapi hendak -lah kita fikirkan.
Istilah dalam perkara ugama penoh dengan pengertian , sebab itu saya juga ingin hendak menerangkan ugalna, bila sebut ugama sahaja, kesemua-nya sudah masok, penuntut2 yang pergi di-luar negeri itu mempelajari dalam Al-Azhar bukan sa-mata 2 perkara ugama sahaja .
Supaya harap dapat pertimbangan daripada penuntut2 yang balek daripada negara itu, bukan sa-kadar boleh dudok menjadi guru ugama sahaja atau dudok di-sekolah2 1193 22 DECEMBER 1965 1194 menengah sahaja atau pun boleh dudok di-radio sahaja sebab dia boleh ber- chakap Arab tetapi di-dalam j awatan2 yang lain patut juga di-pertimbangkan mengikut kelayakan-nya.

Kita belanja banyak juga wang sara di-beri sa-masa di-Khairah sana.
Satu lagi, saya harap pada Kerajaan, di-Madinah j uga ada satu University supaya dapat pula Kerajaan kita mahu mengambi l peranan meletakkan pula satu asrama di-Madinah sana .

Tempat pemimpin alam ada di-sana-kubor junjongan kita Nabi Muhammad (s.a.w.

), University ada di-sana, di- Madinah.
University sana, sara pun chukup pada hal anak2 Melayu yang pergi sara di-beri chukup, tempat tinggal dengan makanan semua-nya wang poket lagi di-beri, bukan ra`ayat dia, tetapi bagitu sa-kali segala penuntut patut-lah bagi pehak Kera- jaan mengadakan pula asrama di-Pusat Perkembangan Islam yang menjadi ugama rasmi di-negeri kita ini di- Madinah sana, tolong buka satu untok kita dapat menghantarkan penuntut2, ilmu pengetahuan yang ghaib dan ilmu khas-nya perkara ugama yang menjadi rasmi di-negeri kita ini supaya j angan Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Kuala Lumpur, Che' Aishah, fasal perche- raian dalam Islam kita, banyak sangat supaya di-adakan undang2 lebeh ketat.
Sa-benar-nya itu semua-nya ada, tidak ada apa yang kurang pun dalam Undang2 Islam.

Tetapi malang-nya yang memegang jawatan itu hingga yang dudok dalam pej abat sendiri.

Terjadi satu perkara ini saya hendak bercherita, sudah bertengkar dengan dia sa-bagai sa-orang ahli, apa dia, perkara Insurance nyawa, sama ada kita masok dalam sharikat2 bagitu juga dalam insuran.

Dia ada sa-orang ya`ani penama, orang yang di-namakan sa-orang lagi, menjadi warith dia.
Jadi tum boh d i-atas perkara wan g2 yang di-dapati daripada jaminan yang akan di-bayar daripada insuran nyawa, kalau sa-saorang itu masok insuran- nya dengan masa, katakan-lah 50 tahun atau pun 30 tahun dengan bayaran2 yang sekian2.

Kalau dia tidak mati wang itu sa-olah2 macham wang simpanan, ada lagi tambahan, apa orang panggil `bonos'.

Berbangkit perkara ugama ini mengenai wang itu boleh-kah di-jadi- kan wang pesaka?
Maka tumboh-nya keputusan sa-mata2 wang yang di-bayar kapada tiap2 bulan, kalau dia di- masokkan sa-lama 55 tahun, saya mithalkan, da^am satu tahun 2 tahun dia pun mati.

Jadi wang yang dapat itu, oh, tidak boleh, yang boleh di-j adikan wang peninggalan dia is-lah wang sa-mata2 yang di-bayar tiap2 bulan.

Yang ini dia tidak dapat.

Pada hal kalau dia mati dalam masa dua tahun, wang itu dia dapat kalau $30 $30-lah.

Jadi wang itu, sebenar-nya lari di-mana?


Kerana j aminan itu, kalau wang ini tidak di-ambil, jadi wang itu hendak di-lampirkan ka- mana?

Kalau wang itu sa-benar-nya wang si-mati itu, maka wang itu sudah jadi pesaka.

Kalau anak kechil pula, anak tidak baligh, erti-nya orang petuakan, menghanamkan, mette- nyapkan wang si-anak yatim, mele- nyapkan wang anak yatim, kesalahan amat besar.

Saya bukan hendak menjadi mufti pula dalam Dewan mi.
Jadi saya harap dapat pertimbangan supaya orange yang dapat didekan dalam perkara ugama tahu selok-belok sa-benar-nya datang di-pusat2 yang betul2 faham dengan perkara kedu- dokan, bukan sa-kadar mengajar fardzu sembahyang sahaja, bukan hendak mengajar puasa sahaja, tetapi selok-belok dalam kedudokan ugama supaya jangan bertelengkah perjalanan kita sa-bagai ugama rasmi dengan Kerajaan biar berkembang berjalan dengan baik, itu tujuan kita.
Itu saya ulang sa-kali lagi, tolong- lah pehak Menteri yang ada di-sini supaya menyampaikan, tolong buka sate lagi Asrama di-Madinah mudah2an dengan berkat pertolongan itu tiap2 maulud, tiap2 tahun, bila sampai 12 Rabiul Awal chuti, pasal mera`ikan junjongan kita Nabi Muhammad (s.a.w).
Tempat sini di-buka satu Universiti bukan mengajar ugama sahaja yang saya tahu, sedangkan sekolah anak yatim yang ada di- Madinah, anak2 yatim yang ada sekolah Madinah itu di-buat per- usah aan2, sama ada kasut dan lain2, lebeh baik daripada orange yang buat di-luar yang berniaga ini.

Bagitu punya 1195 22 DECEMBER 1965 1196 elok-nya pengaj aran di-beri, nilaian harga-nya lebeh.
Jadi kalau buka di-sana satu, banyak-lah dapat anak2 muda kita balek mengambil peranan dalam pemimpin ugama Islam yang menjadi ugama rasmi.

Akl► ir sa-kali, Dato' Yang di- Pertua ...... Mr President : Lekas-lah, beri pe- luang orang lain hendak berchakap.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Haji Abdullah : Habis, Saya pun tidak ada lagi, biar-lah apa yang terbuku di-hati ini terpendam shore saya di-dalam perkara Talivishen Bahagian Pene- rangan.
Sunggoh pun dalam Talivishen itu kadang2 ada j uga mimbar ugama, jadi patut-lah dalam Talivishen itu di-adakan foram2, mimbar Ugama di-dalam 4 macham; dalam bahasa Inggeris, dalam bahasa China orang China pun banyak masok Islam sekarang bahasa Tamil, bahasa Me- !

ayu, tetapi biar-!

ah 4 ini berj alan satu faham.


Jangan di-dalam bahasa Melayu chara satu macham, dalarn bahasa China pula satu macham di- bawa, dalam bahasa Inggeris satu macham tidak boleh biar sa-kata, supaya si-China dengar pun sa-rupa, s T -India dengar sa-rupa, si-Melayu pun dengar sa-rupa, si-Inggeris dengan pun sa-rupa.
Mudah2an yang di-rasmikan itu dapat berjalan dengan lichin dan keselurohan-nya orang faham, bukan di-beri cherita di-dalam bahagian foram ugama, di-titek-bengek perkara ran- chak masok dalam laut, hargm-kah, haul, nanti dahulu mi.

Kita mahu kira negara ini yang sesuai dengan kedudokan ugama rasmi dengan tidak salah silap nanti perkara itu titek- bengek tidak menjadi hat lagi.
Itu satu daripada shor supaya kalau sa-kira-nya balek anak2 kita daripada Khairah, daripada Madinah, daripada mana2 negeri, dapat berkumpul mem- ber cheramah dalam bahagian2 foram atau pun dalam Talivishen atau Radio atau lain2 yang menasabah mengenai kedudokan ugama di-negeri kita mi.

A.khir sa-kali Bahasa Kebangsaan.

Mr President : Dua tiga ka'.i dah akhir !

(Ketawa) Tuan Haii Ahmad bin Hail Abdullah : mi habis Iangsong, habis ini yang akhir betul2.
Bahasa Kebangsaan tahun 1966 hendak masok tahun 1967 sudah dekat.

Tetapi sa-makin dekat sampai saya tengok dalam Dewan ini pun muka saya naik tempelak.

Saya chatit dari- pada sa-orang ka-saorang, chakap Melayu sudah tidak mahu lagi-lah.

Semua berchakap bahasa Inggeris.

Betul berchakap bahasa Inggeris, pada masa ini ya.

Tetapi mana boleh sedap terbit daripada lidah-nya sendiri dari- pada dudok mendengar terjemahan.

Kadang2 sa-tengah-nya berchakap lekas macham berteh.
Mana tahan si-penter- jemah hendak ikut dia berchakap macham keretapi.

Baharu hendak berchakap lagi dia sudah pergi j auh dan kita yang menerima pun tidak dapat, chakap mana lebeh daripada berteh dalam buloh chepat.

Kalau dia chakap dengan satu bahasa; senang juga sadikit, sebab itu di-gunakan bahasa kebangsaan yang tunggal di- negeri mi.

Sunggoh pun sekarang ini berjalan tetapi lateh-lah, apa salah-nya.
Yang aneh-nya si-Melayu sendiri : Ada pula yang menudoh Radio daripada orang kita orange yang bukan Melayu berchakap di-situ pelat.

Tetapi sa- tengah-nya pula dia sendiri takut berchakap kerana dia takut pelat.

Pada hal dia benar2 Melayu dia takut pelat orang lain tidak apa, pada hal pelat2- nya di-fahami.

Saya fakir saudara kita dalam Dewan ini pun pelat tetapi tidak pelat macham apa Pula.

Berchakap Inggeris juga, jadi saya tidak mengerti.


Jadi minta ma`af-lah, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, sa-kali pun apa yang di-dalam Kati saya ini banyak sampai besok pagi pun tidak habis minta ma`af, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau salah silap dan saya minta-lah layanan di- Dewan Senate ini biar-Iah terpachak sadikit, s :paya ian^an Dewan ini langsong runtoh.

Terima kaseh, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.


Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sudah sampai hari ini, tiga hari Dewan Negara menimbang- kan Rang Undang2 Belanjawan tahun 1966, dan saya nampak tiap2 Ahli ingin menyampaikan pendapat sa- hingga kerana itu hari yang ketiga baharu saya dapat peluang berchakap.
1197 22 DECEMBER 1965 1.198 Sa-waktu Yang Berhormat Menteri Kewangan menyampaikan uchapan-nya yang kurang lebeh 78 muka kapada Dewan Ra`ayat dan salinan uchapan ini chuma di-kirimkan kapada tiap2 Ahli Dewan Negara, saya dapati banyak perkara2 yang dapat di-perde- batkan akan tetapi sa-lama lebeh dari- pada berbelas2 hari di-dalam Dewan Ra`ayat telah di -binchangkan sa-chara perinchian ,;f tnaka pada pendapat saya bagi menghormati Dewan dan ma sa kits, tidak- lah mesti di -ulangi seal daripada uchapan Yang Berhormat Menteri Kewangan itu.
Tetapi bagaimana pun, saya meng- alu2kan uchapan Ahii Yang Berhormat itu bagi Ranchangan tahun 1966 yang rnana beliau telah mencheritakan senang dan susah , pahit dan maung, yang di-hadapi oleh Kerajaan.

Kesu- sahan itu dapat kita rasai bersama, oleh kerana kekurangan wang.

Tetapi chita2 terlalu besar saperti yang te'ah saya katakan dalam uchapan dalam perbahathan Majlis Amanah Ra`ayat.

Masaalah pokok tidak mahu di-selesai- kan sebab.

itu timbul -lah kesusahan kapada kita .


Yang demikian tidak ada jalan lain me 'ainkan naikkan chukai.

Menaikkan chukai saperti yang telah di-j alankan pada tahun ini is-itu di-jelaskan -lah, terpaksa di-tarek balek, masaalah chukai botol.

Di-dalam tahun 1966 akan datang di-timbuikan satu perkara baharu menggantikan chukai tudong botol chukai talipon.

Lebeh daripada 100 call kenakan 10 sen. Chukai ini juga sedang menerima ten- tangan semenjak dalam bedongan-nya lagi.
Telor-nya belurn menetas, anak- nya belum keluar tetapi dalam bedongan, dalam telor, telah di-tentang saperti Chukai Tutup Botol , saperti Turnover Tax.

Barangkali kalau saya mengatakan saya perchaya , mungkin saya tidak berbohong kapada diri saya chukai talipon ini akan b erubah, walau pun Ahli2 Perikatan sa-terus -nya ada yang mempertahankan sikap Kerajaan, dasar Kementerian Kewangan.
Di-dalam coal chukai tutup botol waktu Budget Meeting tahun sudah, tetapi akhir2-nya Kerajaan surrender, Kerajaan hanya sa-kejap sahaja sang- gup jadi Steam roll , untok jadi steam roll sa-bentar kemudian itu dia gostan (go astern ) j uga.

Baglni juga soal talipon .

Sa-bahagian penyokong2 Kera- jaan ada yang menyokong habisan2 kerana mereka perchaya bahawa ana yang Kerajaan hendak buat itu baik.

Kebetulan pula mereka itu anggota party.


Di-dalam Dewan Ra`ayat dan menaikkan atau mengadakan satu jenis Dewan Negara ini pun sa-bentar tadi chukai2 tutup botol.

Tentu -lah meng- kita ada dengar bagaimana ada ang- g&ikan hati kita semua apabi'a Menteri Kewangan sendiri mengakui bahawa dalam perlaksanaan -nya amat sulit.

gota mempertahankan apa yang Kera- jaan hendak buat 1tu balk .
Tetani kalau tidak sa'ah ana yang saya fikir- Kerana ada sa-tengah2 sharikat peng- kan chukai talipon ini akan menerima guna2 bahan2 minuman dalam botol menggunakan tutup lama dan ada pula yang menukar dari botol kapada tin.

perubahan dan m.engQi.git ja ri -Iah rereka2 yang mempertahankan dasar Kerajaan yang boleh berubah satu hari Jadi mahu tidak mahu , sumber yang sa-nuloh kali.

telah di -chadangkan untok mendapat kewangan bagi negeri ini terpaksa di- tutup kemba 'i.
Erti -nya Kerajaan sedan bahawa penipuan daripada orange yang berkenaan te'_ah benlaku untok mengellakkan diri mereka bertanggong- jawab membayar chukai kapada neuara mi.

Tetapi yang aneh -nya sa-kali tidak ada satu t ' ndakan pun yang telah di- ambil oleh Kerajaan dari segi undang2, kalau tidak ada undang ,2 adakan undancv2 sa-panianc tahun 1965 ini, tetapi tidak pernah di-adakan.

Akhir2-nya di-dalam uchapan Men- teni Kewangan di-Dewan Ra`ayat.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sukachita mel hat perkembangan demokrast di- negeri k 'ta ini , sa-kali pun kadang2 saya fikir kta telah lebeh daripada demokrast terp'mpn malah - lah ter- tekan tetapi bagaimana pun dari dalam sedang tumboh dan tumboh ini-lah membawa s nar harapan yang sa-baik2-nya bagi perkembangan de- mokrasi tanah ayer kita ini zaman hadapan.
Saya katakan bagitu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sebab sungnoh nun kenyataan menunjokkan jumlah Pem- banukang dalam Dewan Ra`ayat tdak-lah sa-demikian besar-nya saperti 1199 22 DECEMBER 1965 1200 j umlah Pembangkang sa-belum tahun 1964, demikian juga dalam Dewan Negara mi.

Tetapi perbahasan2 yang berlaku di-dalam Dewan Ra`ayat, juga yang 14 buchu-nya atau jalor yang 14 kapada bendera -nya berubah .
Dia mesti di-ubah sa-hingga tinggal angka 13 - 13 buchu bintang, 13 jalor di -bendera di-dalam Dewan Negara, yang di- kita .

Sampai hari ini Kerajaan belum katakan rubber stamp telah sa-makin mengubah .

Apa-kah dari kalangan pangs dan menarek.

Menarek kata Menteri2 Kerajaan Perikatan ini orange saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kerana atau manusia2 yang perchaya kapada bukan hanya apa yang di-katakan tahyul ?
Perchaya kapada suatu yang manusia2 Pembangkang sahaja yang berchakap sa-bagai sifat -nya Pembang- kang, tetapi Ahli2 daripada pehak timbul di`alam fikiran orange barat, benchi kapada angka 13 sa•bagai unlucky number .

Saya tidak tahu pula Kerajaan sendiri pun telah mulai, apa-kah orang bijak (intellectual) yang sa-olah2 mereka Pula saperti Pem- bangkang.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua , dengan sa.tu perkataan dapat kita katakan, kalau ini telah terbukti dalam Dewan Ra`ayat dan Dewan Negara, tanda-nya tidak ada ko-ordinasi di-kalangan parti pemerentah sendiri .

Sa-benar-nya kalau ada sa-suatu yang patut kita malu Kerajaan- lah---maka gejala2 yang sudah terjadi akhir2 ini patut-lah terasa malu.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua , masa yang lalu banyak `yes', tetapi oleh kerana tidak tahan menahan perasaan yang bengkak di-dalam dada, tidak tahan telinga mendengar sungutan ra`ayat di- kampong2, akhir-nya di-kalangan penyokong2 Kerajaan sendiri telah.

timbul initiative untok menyatakan `no' dan tidak sa-lama2-nya 'yes'.
Saya ingin mengatakan kepentingan demok- rasi negeri ini, tiap2 orang ra`ayat harus berdiri di-atas dasar yang benar, mempertahankan yang benar, memper- katakan yang benar dan untok itu kits harus bersikap saperti kata pepatah, biar sa-hari hidup sa-bagai singa, jangan sa-ribu tahun hidup sa-bagai kuching menjilat2 sa -mata2.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua , sukachita saya menarek perhatian Dewan ini kapada peranan yang di-mainkan oleh Perdana Menteri dan oleh Jabatan Perdana Menteri .
Satu daripada-nya berkenaan dengan pemisahan Singapura-tin dakan daripada Kerajaan sendiri.

Saya perchaya saya tidak silap , apabila Sngapura keluar bererti satu bintang atau sate jalor di - dalam bendera kita ikut keluar.

Tetapi sampai hari ini, sa-panjang yang saga maseh ingat, belum ada perubahan terhadap b:ntang menjadi Menteri2 ini menerima kapada perkara tahyul, yang angka 13 ini sial?

Atau mungkin Kerajaan maseh meng- harapkan2 Brunei masok Malaysia?

Saya fikir jauh panggang dari api.


Sebab British yang membuat Malaysia dan British yang menentukan apa yang patut di-buat.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua , sa-waktu bentokan Malaysia , telah saya katakan, tanpa Brunei, Malaysia merupakan satu pinggan yang sumbing .

Tetapi pinggan sumbing ini di-jalankan terus, kita keluarkan Singapura, maka dia telah berlubang di-tengah2-nya.
Untok mengharapkan Brunei masok, dia telah boleh masok dari dahulu , kalau tidak timbul soal Indonesia menuntut supaya di-adakan penyiasatan daripada Bang- sa2 Bersatu .

British tahu kalau di- adakan penyiasatan ka-atas ra`ayat.

Brunei, ra.`ayat Brunei tidak akan ma:hu masok Malaysia .

Maka gagal-lah diplomasi British .

Lebeh baik Brunei jangan masok Malaysia .

British dengan British Adviser-nya saperti di-negeri2 kita dahulu , dan demikian Pula Brunei, nasehat-nya mesti di-ikut .
Kalau tidak kerana tentangan dari Indonesia, memnta supaya United Nations sham- por tangan , menanya pendaaat ra`ayat, tentu Brunei telah masok .

Sebab?

Sebab British boleti berbuat bagitu.

Dan tujuan yang di-buat Malaysia ini pun bagi kepentingan ekonomi British---mempertahankan kepentngan British.

, Tuan Yang di Pertua, sa-sudah Singapura keluar, pada fikiran kita habis- lah.

Demikian -lah yang di-sebut2 di-dalam uchapan atau perbahathan mengenai Bill mengeluarkan , Singapura daripada Malaysia .
Tetapi rupa-nya 1201 22 DECEMBER 1965 1202 penyakit ini tidak habis dengan di- keluarkan sahaja.

Dia terus-menerus menimbulkan pening kepala kapada Kerajaan Persekutuan Malaysia, khusus-nya kapada Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra Alhaj.

Dari Singapura, mereka berteriak, kita ada-lah sa-buah Kerajaan yang berseh.

Tidak demikian hal-nya dengan Malaysia yang cor- rupted.

Apa?

Dahulu: dia dalam Malaysia, boleh kita ambil tindakan.
Sekarang di-luar Malaysia, mempunyai kedaulatan dan di-akui oleh bangsa2 di-dunia de facto-nya dan de jure-nya.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, nyata-lah kita terpaksa menghadapi semua perkara yang timbul di-dalam negara ini, atau di-timbulkan oleh Singapura yang di- keluarkan daripada Persekutuan Malaysia, mahu atau tidak mahu.

Image Malaysia di-luar negeri, walau apa pun hendak di-pertahankan oleh seluroh anggota Kabinet di-dalam Dewan ini, tape orang tahu image Malaysia telah jatoh, sa-jatoh2-nya.
Apa-tah lagi, dengan perpechahan Singapura, maka bertambah kuat, dan bertambah balk peluang bagi gulongan2 yang ingin menjatohkan lagi image Malaysia dengan sa-bebas-nya.

Sebab itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Kerajaan harus-lah berikhtiar menjadi- kan Kerajaan ini dan negara kita ini, satu negara yang tidak ada rasuah.

Kita mempunyai Jabatan Penchegah Rasuah.

Tetapi saya tidak dengar, ada tangkapan2, pembicharaan2 yang ber- laku, hasil daripada rasuah.
Konon khabar-nva, sudah berganti2 Ketua Jabatan Penchegah Rasuah ini.

Entah kerana tidak seronok kerja di-sini, entah kerana tertekan perasaan j iwa- nva dalam memeang kerja Ketua Jabatan ini, entah ba^aimana, Tuhan- lah yang men^etahui.

Tetapi, saya mahu men^atakan rasuah sangat-lah sukar hendak di-berkas, kala.u di- kehendaki saksi2 dan kalau di-kehen- daki di-bawa ka-dalam mahkamah.

Jalan yang paUng baik, kalau timbul sa-suatu tudohan menaenai rasuah, adakan Surohaniaya Penviasat.
Saya perchava dia akan terbuka banyak tembelanc di-dalam neeri ini pun akan terbuka.

Dan neeri kita berseh nama kita balk.

Bukan-kah itu yang lebeh baik?

Apa guns, harta berkarong2 kalau nama-nya busok dan rendah?

Bear hidup miskin, tetapi jiwa-nya benar dan dia di-hormati orang.

Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mithal- nya, saya tidak ikut menudoh dalam perkara Rahman Talib.

Kalau Kera j aan membenarkan ........ Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar : Sir, on a point of order - Standing Order 35 (2).
The case is still sub judice.

Can the Honourable Member touch on that?

Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: Tu an Yang di-Pertua, saya faham, Standing Order tidak membenarkan kita menyentoh perkara yang sedang dalam timbangan mahkamah.

Tetapi, saya tidak menyentoh perkara-nya--saya membuat chontoh teiltang kejadian.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau ` perkara ini di-terima, adakan Surohaniaya Penyiasat, tidak-lah menjadi fasal berpanjang2.

Kalau benar, benar-lah, kalau tdak, tidak-lah.


Scapa salah siapa yang bertanggong-jawab.

Tetapi ini tidak, akibah-nya timbul-lah per- bahathan di-Dewan Ra`ayat yang bagitu panjang, bagitu hebat, di-dalam perkara Supplementary Bill yang saya sengaja tidak ikut berbahath di-dalam Bill itu baharu2 ini.

Perbelanjaan wang ra`ayat sa-banyak $88,000, wang ra`ayat itu wang amanah, amanah ra`ayat supaya di-belanjakan oleh Kerajaan dengan betul di-tenipat yang betul.
Tetapi Kerajaan telah belan j a- kan di-satu tempat yann tidak menye- nangkan hati ra`ayat.

Mengapa Parti Perikatan tidak mengeluarkan wang?

Mengapa tidak timbul ura2 atau ter dengar berita menaatakan orang Perikatan atau orang UMNO khusus- nya mengeluarkan derma untok perbicharaan atau perbelanjaan untok menanggong belanja perbicharaan itu?

Tetapi Syed Jaafar Albar telah di- beri bantuan moral dan wang oleh orange Perikatan.

Mengapa?

Tentu ada sa-suatu di-pehak orange Perikatan sendiri.
Penggunaan wang ini telah di- luluskan oleh Dewan, tetapi ini harus menjadi satu pengaj gran kapada Kera- jaan Perikatan bahawa jangan-lah chuba2 hendak terus jadi steam roll.
Fikir-lah apa yang di-1c atakan oleh 1203.22 DECEMBER 1965 .1204 Pembangkang atau yang di-katakan oleh pengikut2-nya sendiri yang kebe- tulan tidak menjadi Menteri sebab demokrasi yang sa-benar2-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua , is-lah apa yang di- katakan fikiran2 yang di-hormati dan suara2 yang di-dengari , tanpa ada fikiran manusia2 yang lain di-dengari Kerajaan, tanpa ada suara2 ra`ayat yang di-suarakan oleh wakil2 kapada Kerajaan , tidak ada ma`ana dan tidak ada erti demokrasi.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua , satu masaalah lagi yang saya ingin sentoh is-lah seal pilehan raya.

Pilehan raya telah kita tugaskan kapada Surohanjaya menge- nai dengan pilehan raya .

Tiap2 tahun boleh di-katakan Surohanjaya ini menjalankan pendaftaran sa-mula pengundi2.

Tetapi chara pekerja2-nya tidak-lah bagitu memuaskan.

Saya tidak mahu berchakap panjang tetapi saya mahu memberi satu chontoh supaya di-perbaiki sa-chepat mungkin.

Saya sa-orang warga -negara Perseku- tuan .


Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya saya bekerja, berusaha pula menyemak pergi membetulkan balek perkara mi.

Itu-Iah sedang saya tunggu2kan .

Tetapi mengapa saya mesti pergi ka-tempat menyemak meminta di-betulkan balek pada hal Benda itu tidak perlu jadi bagitu.

Sebab nama saya memang ada dalarn buku pengundi.


Kalau nama isteri saya yang juga ada di-dalam buku pengundi boleh di-daftar di-beri kad tanda dia telah di -daftarkan dun di-ubah di-dalam form B tetapi mengapa saya tidak boleh di-daftar pada hal saya tuan rumah ?

Dia da.tang ka-rumah saya , dia tahu rumah saya.


Tetapi ini-lah kejadian yang di-harap tidak akan di-biarkan kejadian sa- macham ini berlaku kerana sungutan2 mengenai pendaftaran ini berbagai tempat berbagai macham rupa-nya telah di-sungutkan oleh ra`ayat melalui akhbar2.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sukachita hendak menyentoh sadikit lagi tentang soal luar negeri .
Satu daripada perkara yang sangat menarek perhatian saya, mempunyai hak (entitle) menjadi sa - saya perchaya menarek perhatian sa- orang pengundi dan memang saya telah pun menjadi pengundi .

Tetapi kalau satu pilehan raya di-adakan dalam bahagian besar ra `ayat negeri is-lah satu perubahan kita yang gilang ge- milang dan sejarah telah menchatitkan waktu yang singkat ini , dua atau tiga is-itu kemenangan diplomasi kita yang bulan ini, saya telah di-nafikan hak-nya untok mengundi .
Mengapa ini terjadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua ?

Baharu2 ini gerakan pendaftaran mengundi orange baharu atau pertukaran orange lama semua-nya berlaku di-seluroh negeri2 Tanah Melayu .

Datang sa-orang pen- daftar ini ka-rumah jam 11.00 pagi yang kebetulan saya tidak ada.

Oleh kerana alamat rumah saya berubah, mengakibatkan putus-nya hubongan dengan Pakistan.
Putus-nya hubongan negara kita dengan Pakistan , negeri yang tidak berperang dengan Pakistan, bukan kerana kita melanggar Pakistan atau mengishtiharkan perang tidak.

Yang berperang is-Iah India dengan Pakistan satu bangsa bersaudara yang berlainan ugama yang terpechah sa- sudah kemerdekaan mereka baharu2 masok dalam kawasan pengundi juga, mi.
tetapi rumah -nya berubah jadi di-isi- lah Borang B hanya untok isteri saya dan tidak untok saya dan tidak untok sa-orang lagi dalam rumah saya yang patut dan berhak mengundi kerana dia telah chukup 21 tahun.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua , sebab-nya saya tidak ada di-rumah, dan sa-orang lagi yang telah genap umor 21 tahun dan berhak mendaftar sa- bagai pengundi , pun pergi kerja dan tidak ada di-rumah .

Kerana itu saya dan sa-orang lagi telah di -nafikan hak- nya untok mengundi .
Jadi terpaksa-lah Tetapi soal-nya bagi kita, Tuan Yang di-Pertua , kerana kita sendiri lebeh suka mempertahankan wakil kita di-Bangsa2 Bersatu atau di-Majlis Keselamatan Bangsa2 Bersatu daripada mempertahankan kedudokan kita yang berkechuali dalam pertentangan yang berlaku di-dalam atau di-antara negeri2 Commonwealth sendiri.

Diplomasi yang telah kita j alankan , Tuan Yang di-Pertua, diplomasi pentadbiran, amalan yang di-tinggalkan oleh penja- jah B.A .
atau British Adviser tidak akan menyalahkan sa-orang pegawai 1205 22 DECEMBER 1965 1206 alat penjajahan di-negeri ini di-mata Selatan.

Kita menentang, kita mengu- ra`ayat yang di-perentah, tetapi dia tok, kita marah British dan akhir2-nya akan bertindak kemudian daripada itu Kementerian Luar Negeri lagi menga- kalau perlu untok menukarkan pegawai takan bahawa sa-nya soal di-Afrika yang berkenaan ka-tempat lain atau Selatan ada-lah tanggong-jawab British.
menahan atau bertindak apa2 sebab moral penjajah itu hendak di-jaga, pentadbiran penjajah hendak di-jaga.

Itu chara penjajahan dan itu-lah jugs amalan kita, bersalah sa-kali wakil kita di-Bangsa2 Bersatu .

Saya tidak mahu mengeluarkan patah demi patah per- kataan walau pun saya sampan keratan2 akhbar tetapi kita memper- tahankan habis2an yang berakibat putus-nya hubongan diplomatik Pakis- tan dengan negeri kita.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak mengerti mengapa kita hanya men- jalankan diplomasi pentadbiran tetapi tidak menjalankan diplomasi sa-buah kerajaan.

Apa barangkali kita ini belum matang di-dalam chara diplo- masi, belum matang dalam chara perhubongan international akibat lama benar kita ini terjajah, akibat lama benar kita di-kongkong jiwa dan fikiran oleh British.

British sendiri satu bangsa yang terkenal handal dalam politik dan bijak dalam diplomasi.
Tetapi sayang Inggeris meninggalkan kita dengan tidak mengajar ilmu diplomasi kapada kita betul2 saperti dia meninggalkan ilmu pentadbiran-nya kapada kita supaya kita patoh kapada pentadbiran-nya, supaya kita pakai Generale Order yang di-tinggal-nya, walau pun telah lapok sesuai untok zaman penjajah, terus kita pakai walau pun bertahun2 sa-telah kita merdeka, terus kita patoh kapada kepentingan2 ekonomi British yang ada dalam negeri2 kita.
Pertahankan habis2an walau pun miskin ra`ayat, menderita ra`ayat kerana ada kepentingan2 eko- nomi asing itu yang di-tinggalkan kapada kita patoh untok kepentingan dia tetapi yang patut di-ajar kapada kita telah tidak di-ajarkan kapada kita.
Sekarang , Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa- bagai orang yang patoh nampak-nya bagitu-lah Malaysia , sa-kali lagi tampil ka-muka ta' kurang dan ta' kalah juga saperti dahulu sa-waktu Malaysia tampil ka-muka dalam soal Afrika Tuan Yang di-Pertua, lompat-lah sa-berapa tinggi yang is ingin melom- pat; tetapi orang tahu sandiwara apa ini.
Kalau telah kita faham bahawa ini-lah tanggong-jawab British yang sa-benar2-nya, mengapa kita harus bersikap maseh bodoh, bersikap sa- bagai burong kasawari menyorok2kan kepala ka-dalam pasir membiarkan badan sa-besar guni keluar.

Mengapa bagitu?

British, telah saya katakan dalam Dewan ini berkalie, beang keladi kapada beberapa perkara yang berlaku di-dalam dunia.
Masaalah Rhodesia Selatan masa- alah besar is-itu masaalah 200,000 orang kulit puteh manusia saperti kita berbanding 4 juta manusia kulit h.itam yang juga saperti kita sama2 manusia, sama2 mankind, sama2 human being.

Tetapi kata British kalau sa-kira-nya kita bertindak di-Rhodesia Selatan, akan timbul civil war (Perang Sau- dara).

British bijak, pandai berfikir, dia tahu Civil War, Perang Saudara, akan terjadi kalau tindakan di-ambil ka-atas Rhodesia Selatan kerana 200,000 orang kulit puteh di-sana.
Tidak demikian hal-nya di-Aden atau pun apa yang di-katakan Persekutuan Arab Selatan yang sama di-fikirkan dan di-ranchang-.

kan dengan Persekutuan Malaysia mi.. Di-Persekutuan Arab Selatan atau Aden itu British tidak bertanggoh2 lagi bertindak, menangkap, membubar- kan Kabinet, menggantong Perlemba- gaan dan apa sahaja dan kalau perlu membunoh sa-berapa banyak orang Arab boleh asalkan kepentingan Britain terjamin.

Tetapi mengapa Kerajaan British tidak mahu bertindak di-Rhodesia Selatan?
Kerana akan timbul Perang Saudara dan itu akan merugikan British.

Kalau di-biarkan Rhodesia Selatan akan menguntongkan kepentingan2 British sebab itu maka berkawan-lah Afrika Selatar.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-dalarn Dewan ini pernah saya sebutkan satu 1207 22 DECEMBER 1965 1208 perkataan yang pernah di-katakan oleh berganding2 tangan .
Jadi ini semua Marshall Montgomery, Panglima sandiwara British apa yang Tunku Perang Inggeris, yang telah mengata- Abdul Rahman Putra Al-haj, Perdana kan walau bagaimana sa-kali pun akan Menteri kita, berteriak2.

Saya kata tadi terjadi, Afrika Selatan ada-lah l^enting bagi anggota2 Dewan Negara dan kapada Inggeris.

Sebab Tanjong Peng- Dewan Ra`ayat lebeh baik jadi singa harapan itu telah membuktikan betapa satu hari daripada menjadi kuching penting-nya bagi perhubongan England sa-ribu tahun.
dengan Australia di-masa Perang Dunia dan kejadian Perang Suez dahulu.

Untok kepentingan British, untok kepentingan kulit puteh, baik yang ada di-Barat atau yang ada di- Selatan Dunia, Afrika Selatan mesti di-pertahankan untok kepentingan kulit puteh, untok kepentingan British dan untok memperkuatkan kedudokan Afrika Selatan pula supaya jangan kulit2 hitam ini bangun di-Afrika dengan bantuan China Kominis.
Jalan keluar bukan hadhir sidang Perdana2 Menteri Commonwealth sa- bagaimana yang di-chadangkan oleh Perdana Menteri, Sir Abu Bakar Taf a Balewa, sebab chadangan Sir.

Abu Bakar Tafa Balewa, Perdana Menteri Nigeria itu, akan sama-lah mutu-nya saperti chadangan Tunku Abdul Rah- man Putra Al-haj, Perdana Menteri kita, dalam coal Afrika Se'_atan.
Di- Asia orang kenal negara kita dan pemimpin negara kita di-Afrika pun Mudah2an di-jauhkan Allah dengan orang kenal Abu Bakar Tafa Balewa kesedaran bangsa Afrika dengan dan pemimpin Abu Bakar Tafa Balewa bantuan mereka itu, dengan Asia- di-Nigeria.

Afrika akhir-nya orange yang berkulit puteh yang sombong di-Afrika Selatan itu akan di-tendang keluar dan orange yang berhak, akan dudok di-tempat yang hak-nya, di-Afrika itu sendiri.
British tidak mahu perkara ini terjadi; dengan sebab itu mesti di-beri peluang supaya ada kawan.

Ian Smith kawan yang baik kapada Perdana Menteri Afrika Selatan, dan Rhodesia Selatan pun telah menjadi pengkalan untok kepentingan Barat.

Masa pemberon- takan Tshombe di-Congo dengan menegakkan Republik Katanga, niaka Rhodesia Selatan-lah pengkalan, peng- kalan kapada bantuan2 untok Tshombe dan Katanga.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang paling penting bagi saya bukan-lah mengada- kan sidang Perdana2 Menteri Common- wealth untok membinchangkan fasal mi.

Kalau satu sidang mahu di-adakan merupakan international, maka sidang itu yang paling tepat is-lah Bangsa2 Bersatu, bukan Commonwealth Bangsa2 Bersatu !

Sidang Common- wealth tidak ada memberi apa2 Afrika Selatan keluar daripada Common- wealth, kerana usul Malaya di-waktu itu.
Tetapi hubongan dari dalam British berjalan terus sebab kepen- tingan-nya di-situ; jadi ta' usah-lah kita berpura2, ta' usah kita mengikut lakunan sandiwara British sa-lama2- Faham-lah kita bahawa apa yang nya.

Mahu bawa perkara ini Malaysia sa-benar-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, terus usulkan kapada Bangsa2 Bersatu di-Katanga ada lombong tembaga, supaya di-binchangkan perkara ini lombong berlian yang kepentingan-nya terus terang.
Kalau Bangsa2 Bersatu besar, kepentingan Inggeris untok menjamin Katanga mesti bebas dari- pada negara atau Kerajaan Sosialist pun tiada boleh atau tidak dapat berbuat sa-suatu ta' sampai hendak mengadakan sidang pun ta' boleh Congo, untok itu Rhodesia Selatan kerana British ta' suka, maka foram hares menjadi pengkalan, untok itu dia international ini pun tidak ada guna harus hidup untok beberapa lama bagi kepentingan British di-Afrika.

Dan sate sen pun lag i .


Foram international ini harus di-perbaiki sa-mula, harus sekarang ini untok terus meneuatkan di-susun sa-mula, harus di-kaji sa- lagi sa-sudah keadaan Congo berubah mula, di-batalkan hak siapa yang maka Afrika Selatan yang menjadi kera sumbang harus kekal dan Rhodesia Selatan harus hidup pula di-katakan Big Four atau Big Five, Lima Besar atau Empat Besar yang mempunyai hak veto.
Ini semua bukan, 1209 22 DECEMBER 1965 1210 dia bukan Tuhan, yang mentakdir atau memberi hak kapada mereka untok menjadi Big Four atau Big Five dan sa-bagai-nya.

Ini mesti di-batalkan demi keadilan dan Malaysia patut mempelupori perkara ini dalam Bangsa2 Bersatu masaalah Rhodesia Selatan dan masaalah penyusunan sa- mula Bangsa2 Bersatu dengan menidak- kan ada-nya hak veto dan menidakkan ada-nya siapa yang di-katakan Big Four atau Big Five.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ini-lah dia jalan keluar yang sa-baik2-nya.
Saya merasa pelek, bukan hairan, apabila Perdana Menteri kita dengan susah hati dan dukachita merayu2 kapada negeri2 di-Afrika kalau betul hendak putuskan perhubongan dengan British, dengan England, United Kingdom, tetapi jangan-lah sampai hendak keluar dari- pada Commonwealth.

Ini Malaysia merayu, apa sebab, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, Malaysia ini terlampau sayang kapada British.
Jadi tuan2 di-Afrika itu hendak keluar pun, hendak putus- kan perhubongan kerana Rhodesia Selatan itu, putus-lah, ta' apa-lah Tetapi jangan-lah sampai hendak keluar daripada British Common- wealth.

Saya hairan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mengapa bagitu sa-kali kita sayang kapada British Commonwealth, tidak pernah kata Malaysia Commonwealth British Commonwealth dan ada sate Menteri urusan Commonwealth meng- ganti urusan yang ta`alok dahulu yang ada di-England dalam Kabinet.
Sejarah Commonwealth sendiri mesti kita faham kemudian dapat kita fikir dan kita uji sampai ka-mana untong dan pahit-nya Commonwealth itu kapada kita yang Perdana Menteri kita ingin benar2 memuj ok2 orang lain supaya jangan keluar daripada British Commonwealth.

Pemberontakan Amerika kerana orange yang kulit puteh yang pindah ka-Amerika tidak senang d engan ch ara British mahu menguasai ekonomi di- Amerika.
Maka timbul-lah pembe- rontakan ra`ayat di-bawah pimpinan George Washington dengan kebetulan dapat bantuan daripada Franchis pada masa itu maka merdeka-lah Amerika dan di-tegakkan-lah United States of America.

Pada masa itu telah terjadi satu civil war, perang saudara, di- antara orang Inggeris dengan prang Amerika, antara kulit puteh dengan kulit puteh.
Oleh kerana terpaksa British menyerahkan kemerdekaan kapada ra`ayat Amerika, maka timbul- lah daya utama initiative British sa-belum Canada bertindak ka-arah satu pemberontakan mengasingkan diri daripada British, saperti Amerika, sa- belum Australia bertindak, sa-belum New Zealand bertindak maka taraf Dominion Status harus-lah di-beri kapada negeri2 kulit puteh : Canada, Australia dan New Zealand.
Maka di- beri-lah oleh British dan ini-lah negeri2 yang di-katakan Negeri2 Dominion di-dalam lengkongan persema`amoran Inggeris atau Commonwealth.

Inggeris takut kehilangan ekonomi semua-nya saperti dia hilang Amerika dan di-beri taraf 2 Dominion kapada kulit2 puteh yang lain.

Tetapi negeri kita tidak, Malaya di- j aj ah tidak di-berikan taraf Dominion.
India di-jajah tidak di-beri taraf Dominion, Somalia di-jajah tidak di- beri taraf Dominion dan banyak negeri2 di-sabelah Afrika di-jajah tdak di-beri taraf Dominion sa-hingga datang Perang Dunia Yang Kedua.

Kelemahan Inggeris ternyata benar2, kesedaran ra`ayat di-negeri2- yang di- jajah telah bangun betul2 dan tenaga bertindak telah lahir.

Maka mahu tidak mahu, sate demi satu negeri yang di - jajah oleh Inggeris dia pun memberi kemerdekaan.
Tetapi kemerdekaan bentok Inggeris di-beri-lah ke- merdekaan oleh Inggeris, bukan taraf Dominion bebas fully independent.

Kata kita.

Tetapi dalam pemberian itu kapada Inggeris-ala-Inggeris kemer- dekaan bentok Inggeris kemerdekaan chara Inggeris sendiri.

Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bentok Inggeris ini-lah bentok menj amin ke- pentingan kekayaan British sendiri.
Tidak guna Dominion, sebab Australia dan lain2 saperti Canada, New Zealand, yang dahulu-nya mengakui King of England atau Queen of England, United Kingdom, Great Britain, sa- bagai Raja mereka, sekarang pun 1211 22 DECEMBER 1965 1212 telah bertukar chorak memakai Governor General sendiri, yang sudah tidak boleh di-ubah lagi.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita sudah mendapat Tuan Yang di-Pertua, masaalah banyak, masaalah yang timbul di- dalam negara kita ini terlalu banyak dan apa boleh buat takdir telah kemerdekaan tetapi semua negeri2 yang menjadi bagitu.

Negeri2 lain pun ada di-beri kemerdekaan, kechuali Burma, masaalah-nya tetapi masaalah negeri di-ikat betul2 untok muslihat dan ke- kita ini masaalah yang pelek dan saya pentingan British sendiri dan.
British sa-pendapat dengan siapa sahaja dan Commonwealth ada-lah kepentingan.

saya perchaya orang lain sa-pendapat British kesema`amoran British Raya dengan saya.

Ada-nya racial, ada-nya ini-lah dia yang sa-benar2-nya, Tuan gulongan2 dalam negeri kita ini yang Yang di-Pertua.
Kita takut keluar daripada British Commonwealth kerana takut hilang ke- untongan' yang kita dapati daripada apa yang di-katakan British Common- wealth, apa yang akan hilang sadikit, yang akan hilang-nya is-lah arang ke- hinaan yang terchonting di-muka kita.

Keluar daripada satu kumpulan yang di-permainkan oleh British bagi kepen- tingan-nya pertukaran satu chorak per- janjian kapada alam kebebasan yang penoh berdiri sama tinggi dudok sama rendah di-semua bangsa dunia itu satu kemuliaan dan kehormatan.
Sadikit sangat yang kita akan rugi dari- pada British, daripada apa yang kita dapat dalam Commonwealth : Kerana dari Commonwealth ini sadikit yang kita dapat, banyak yang British dapat.

Untok mempertahankan sadikit kita dapat yang banyak kita dapat ber- matian2, kita mempertahankan Com- monwealth dan menunjokkan orang lain supaya jangan keluar daripada Commonwealth.

Ganjil, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, chara kita berpolitik.
Sadikit sa-kali yang kita dapat dari Commonwealth dan British tidak ingin kapada Commonwealth keun- tongan tidak ada pada-nya, apa perlu- nya British kapada Commonwealth kalau keuntongan tidak ada?

Dia mempunyai keuntongan banyak dan dia memerlukan keuntongan itu dan ini tidak `adil yang mesti di-hapuskan.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-baik2-nya bagi Malaysia, mengator diri keluar daripada British Commonwealth dan semua nation pun patut keluar, hanya wujud satu pertubohan dunia foram mempunyai aliran2 yang berlainan menimbulkan satu masaalah politik yang sangat kusut untok di-selesaikan di-dalam tanah ayer kita ini, apa-tah lagi dengan permainan British divide and rule yang di-tinggalkan pada kita ini kusut dan terlalu kusut untok di- selesaikan.
Kita fikir pada mula-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dasar to build a united Malayan Nation sekarang ini ubah to build a United Malaysian Nation akan berj alan-lah dengan senang, sadikit2 batu j arang berj umpa duri-nya, tetapi nampak-nya tidak, batu-nya bagaikan gunong di-depan.

Mula2 kita nampak sadikit lichin, tetapi makin lama kita nampak ber- tambah berat.

Masaalah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, masaalah perasaan tidak sanggup menelan daripada satu gu- longan kapada satu gulongan.
Orang Melayu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang sekarang ini telah di-tudoh kaum pelampau kerana berchakap masaalah Melayu.

Orang Melayu yang telah di-katakan satu kaum yang kebetulan datang lebeh dahulu daripada yang lain.

Orang Melayu yang di-katakan pemalas, ini hati.

Sa-benar-nya orang Melayu tidak redza dengan tudohon2 yang di-limpar- kan kapada mereka.

Orang Melayu bukan kaum, bukan-lah pelampau kerana dia bukan kaum, dia ada-lah tuan punya bagi negeri ini dan dia terus menjadi tuan punya bagi negeri ini.
Bukan sahaja negeri ini di-katakan orang Melayu dia ada-lah tuan punya bagi seluroh Malay Archipelago.

Sekarang ini keadaan kita berubah.

Kita di-namakan Malaysia, sunggoh international is-itu Bangsa2 Bersatu pun Malaysia di-terima.

Saya sanggup yang di-perbaiki keadaan-nya.


menamakan diri saya bangsa Malaysia, 121.3 22 DECEMBER 1965 1214 tetapi dengan pengertian Malaysian, kebangsaan , dan bukan- lah saya ini satu kaum di-dalam Malaysia, Malay- sia itu nation , Malaysia itu Melayu kerana, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, orange barat yang menamakan-nya.

Melayu tidak menyala di-Malaysia di-seberang Tambak Johor.

Apa itu soal bahasa yang akan datang pada tahun 1967?
Soal bahasa ini telah menjadi satu soal yang dahulu-nya kita rasa ada tidak apa2 kerana yang menuntut, yang kata dato' nenek kita, Malaysia kata menentukan supaya Lord Reid dan sa-orang Amerika, Malaya atau Malay Surohanjaya-nya memasokkan di- State kata orang Inggeris, Indonesia dalam Perlembagaan is-lah memoran- kata orang Jerman, Philippina kata dum M.C.A., UMNO, M.I.C.

sendiri.
sendiri.

orang Sepanyol, Malanisia kata ahli2 Jadi kita fikir tidak ada apa2, tunggu- bumf, ahli2 manusia, Polynesia, kata lah sahaja tahun 1967, tetapi menjelang sa-tengah2 orang lain pula, tetapi semua-nya sama yang bernama Malay- sia, Malaysian, Indonesia, Philippina, Polysisian atau apa yang dia ada-lah satu hakikat-nya, darah keturunan bangsa Melayu, Melayu yang berta- boran di-seluroh Pulau2 Melayu mulai dari Semenanjong dari Sigenting Kera.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sanggup menerima Malaysia sebab pengertian-nya sama, tetapi sekarang ini kita mahu menyatu-padukan semua warga2 negara-nya bernama Malaysia, orang Iban suku bangsa Melayu, orang Kadazan suku bangsa Melayu, orang Bajau suku bangsa Melayu, orang Kenyah suku bangsa Melayu, orang akan tiba tahun 1967 berbagai2 masaalah timbul sa-hingga di-kalangan M.C.A.

sendiri, khusus-nya pemuda M.C.A.


Tuan Yang di-Pertua, satu yang malang, kalau hendak di-katakan malang, bagi bangsa Malaysia kita ini is-lah timbul-nya gejala2 akhir dari- pada kalangan kita sendiri.

Saya harap mulai tahun 1966 tidak ada sa-siapa2 yang patut berchakap dalam soal bahasa.

Sebab tidak akan wujud satu kebangsaan, tidak akan lahir satu keharmonian, tidak akan lahir satu persefahaman, dengan amalan multi language.
Lain di-Switzerland, sa-tom- pok ra`ayat dudok di-utara memakai Dusun suku bangsa Melayu, tidak bahasa Jerman, sa-tompok ra`ayat menj adi soal, asalkan j angan ada orang dudok di-selatan memakai bahasa chuchok2 dan divide and rule pula, tidak menjadi soal mereka ada-lah suku Peranchis.

Sa-tengah ra`ayat dudok di- sana memakai bahasa Belanda-kah, bangsa Melayu belahan badan bangsa tetapi kita ini semua bergaul mesti Melayu tetapi yang lain2 saya meminta satu bahasa yang tunggal.
mi di-terima supaya betul2 membuktikan undivided saperti yang di-terima orang, harap loyalty.

Kita boleh bust itu tanpa membuat sa -suatu yang bakal menim- saya, terima-lah.

Jangan di-timbulkan sa-suatu sa-hingga sampai-lah maksud bulkan kekerohan dan kekachauan.

Lee Kuan Yew yang mengatakan born Kita boleh perbuat bagitu.
Kalau dapat kita insaf bahawa ini-lah negara kita bersama dan ini-lah tempat yang ingin hidup aman damai , maka mari-lah kita menchari sa-suatu yang boleh di- tegakkan, sa-suatu yang baik dan menghalang segala unsor2 yang boleh menimbulkan perpechahan dan keka- chauan.

Perpechahan Singapura, saya ulangi , Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak menghilang penyakit dalam Malaysia.
Baharu2 ini dalam suatu kenyataan yang di-bust oleh Perdana Menteri Sin^apura dalam suatu perjumpaan ahli2 Dewan Perniagaan2 di-Singapura, beliau menyentoh soal bahasa.

Kata- nya bom semua born telah terpesong telah terpasang sumbu-nya akan di- chuchoh tahun 1967.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, satu chontoh saya akan beri dalam Dewan ini bagai- mana negeri Thailand.

Negeri Thai j Iran kits yang paling dekat yang ber- hubong tanah-nya dengan tanah kita.
Ada orange-nya bukan yang sa-benar- nya, bahkan boleh saya katakan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-bahagian daripada Jema`ah Menteri Thailand sekarang ini ada-lah manusia2 yang bernama nama Thai, berbangsa Thai, tetapi mereka itu ada-lah keturunan daripada orange Tiong Hua yang sa-tengah2 daripada-nya ada keluarga di-Kuala Lumpur ini sendiri.

1215 22 DECEMBER 1965 1216 Tadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, k i to tidak ada dengar nama lain melainkan nama Thai .

Mengapa boleh di-buat, nya perlaksanaan bahasa.


Mengapa tidak boleh?

Kalau betul2, terserah-lah kapada Kerajaan Perikatan yang mengapa kita sini tidak boleh?

Saya memerentah hari ini.

Jangan timbulkan tidak akan memaksa, mithal-nya Dato' T. H. Tan , tukar kapada Abdullah Sul- teka-teki kapada ra`ayat, jangan main- kan terus sandiwara2 panjang.
Jangan tan, tidak , tetapi chara berfikir kita tolak ansor dalam perkara bahasa, dan boleh kita tukar, chara berfikir yang kapada orang yang bukan warga- jujor dan ikhlas boleh kita ubah, Tuan negara beri-lah betul2 bukti ta`at setia Yang di-Pertua .

mi kita kehendaki kapada negeri ini dengan tidak menim- dan ini Malaysia kehendaki .

Jangan bulkan soal bahasa kebangsaan.

timbulkan soal bahasa, mengapa orange keturunan Tiong Hua di -tanah besar di-Malaysia ini menimbulkan2 soal bahasa.
Walhal tiap2 orang keturunan Tiong Hua mengakui saperti yang di- akui oleh Yang Berhormat Dato' T. H. Tan satu waktu dahulu dalam Dewan ini orange China patut-lah berterima kaseh kapada negeri ini kerana di-negeri ini-lah orang China mendapat hak dan terjamin hak mereka di-dalam negeri2 Tenggara Asia yang baharu merdeka.

Jadi , Tuan Yang di-Pertua , ini patut yang di-punyai dan tidak patut lain daripada ini yang di-punyai beri-lah betul2 bukti ta `at setia apa salah?
Ada orang mengatakan kalau di-tukar sign board itu sial, suwei , tidak betul.

Di-Thailand , warga-negara keturunan Tiong Hua ramai yang menjadi peke- dai, yang menjadi pegawai imigreshen, yang bekerja itu, menjadi itu ini, sampai Menteri - nya ada .

Bahasa2 Thai, sign board kedai , bahasa Thai.

Itu bahasa kebangsaan.

Kalau lain daripada bahasa Thai mahu di-nakai, boleh, tetapi kena bayar chukai.

Bayar chukai bahasa lain kalau mahu di- gunakan di-sign board di-kedai2 kena bayar chukai orang Tiong Hua.
®rang2 warga- negara Thailand ketu- runan Tiong Hua membayar chukai to enggunakan bahasa lain, bahasa Tiong Hua mithal -nya di-sign board kedai-nya di-dalam negeri Thai, tetapi tidak boleh taroh di - atas, tidak boleh di-buat besar kechil kalau boleh di- bawa.

'h di-gantongkan di-bawah sign board yang besar.

Mengapa boleh berj alan di-dalam Thailand , mengapa tidak pula boleh berjalan di -dalam Tanah Melayu?
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya ingin menyentoh lagi satu perkara perkara menjadi tanggong- j awab Per dana Men- teri tetapi di-jalankan oleh Menteri Muda Kebudayaan dan Sukan.

Kalau kita bertanya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kapada Menteri yang berkenaan atau kita bertanya kapada tiap2 diri kita sendiri kita semua, apa-kah ada satu kebudayaan Malaysia?

Sa-bagai satu sharat, satu rukun bagi satu bangsa, harus mempunyai kebudayaan.

Tentu- lah kita jawab tidak ada lagi.


Kebu- dayaan Malaysia belum wujud, belum ada, saperti belum wujud-nya betul2 bangsa Malaysia, kerana kita maseh dalam proses sekarang ini baharu bangsa warga-negara Persekutuan.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soal kebuda- yaan bukan-lah satu soal kechil.

Soal kebudayaan satu soal yang sangat besar erti-nya.

Dia tidak boleh di-buat, di-bentok2, di-susun2, di-ator2 bela- kang ltu dl-suroh suap, suroh telan, suroh pakai tidak boleh.
Dia lahir dan berkembang bersama2 perkem- bangan dan kelahiran musharakat bangsa yang akan di-namakan Malay- sia itu sendiri.
Jadi dalam soal membentokkan satu kebudayaan bagi satu bangsa yang akan bernama Malaysia akan datang yang sekarang maseh bernama warga-negara Per- sekutuan, patut-lah Kementerian ini memikirkan sa-dalam2 dan Kemen- terian Pelajaran juga mempunyai satu seksi, satu seksi yang betul2 memikir- kan sa-dalam2-nya supaya di-pupok dari sekarann soal kebudayaan ini, melalui sekolah2, melalui anak2 kita yang maseh menjadi rebong.
Tuan Yang di- Pertua, berchakap dalam soalkebudaya an ini kerana kita Saya tidak maksudkan chukai , maksud- tidak, ada lagi dan akan.

adakan, maka v 1217 22 DECEMBER 1965 1218 tanggong-jawab ada-lah tanggong- jawab bersama Kementerian Kebuda- yaan dan Sukan dan Kementerian Pelajaran.

Saya mahu supaya soal kebudayaan ini di-perhati dan di-fikirkan betul2.

Dahulu telah ada satu Kongres Kebudayaan.


Kongres Kebudayaan telah ada di- dukongi oleh orange Melayu sahaj a, telah memutuskan bahawa Kebudayaan Melayu teras kebudayaan Malaya.

Waktu itu belum Malaysia.

Tetapi sekarang ini teras kebudayaan Malay- sia.

Dan kebudayaan Malaya, yang sekarang ini Malaysia, tidak harus bertentangan dengan Islam.

Itu bagus, betul.
Itu bagus, betul.

Tetapi tentu-lah kalau Yang Berhormat Enche' Senu, Menteri Pene- rangan, di-beri peluang mengulas perkara ini dia akan mengatakan kongres yang tuan2 adakan ini tidak boleh menchapai tujuan, sadikit tempang, kerana tidak masok di-dalam- nya orange yang bukan Melayu.

Ya, dia betul juga, saperti yang beliau ber- kata baharu2 ini kapada persidangan Jawatan-kuasa Badan Bertindak Ba- hasa Kebangsaan.

Dia menganjorkan supaya patut ada di-dalam Jawatan- kuasa itu orang yang bukan Melayu.
Ya, memang di-dalam negara saperti ini memang patut ada, tetapi yang kita hairan mengapa orang bukan Melayu tidak mahu masok ka-dalam itu.

Ilia kena masok, tetapi dia belum mahu masok.

Saya harap kapada pemimpin2 bangsa yang bukan berketurunan Melayu mengerahkan pengikut2 mereka supaya ikut sama dalam perkara mi.
saya akan pergi dalam soal kebuda- yaan ini bukan soal kechil, perkara- nya besar sangat, dan saya tidak akan mempunyai masa yang chukup untok berchakap, tetapi ingin saya mengingat- kan kapada Kementerian yang ber- kenaan supaya menganjorkan satu sedang kongres, champorkan-lah semua orang mengkaji soal bentok kebu- dayaan yang sadikit demi sadikit dengan proses-nya kita akan dapat sampai kapada matalamat kita pada akhir-nya.
mengenai pengharapan saya supaya terbentok satu kebudayaan bagi bangsa Malaysia akan datang.

Saya minta supaya tidak di-amalkan terus dasar co-education.

Ini soal kebudayaan tidak di-amalkan terus co-education, ini soal kebudayaan.

Tuan Yang di- Pertua, co-education bukan pantas bagi bangsa Melayu, tuan punya negeri ini yang asal, tidak pantas bagi umat Islam.

Dan saya perchaya pada mula- nya j uga tidak pantas bagi semua warga-negara baik keturunan apa dalam negeri ini kerana kita semua orang timor.
Tetapi dia datang dari- pada Barat, dia di-bawa di-seludupkan oleh penjajahan Inggeris dari barat bagi menghanchorkan kemurnian ke- budayaan anak negeri ini.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soal co-educa- tion kalau di-amalkan kebudayaan kita akan jadi lain.

Lain daripada keputusan Kongres Kebudayaan Me- layu yang hendak berteras Melayu.

Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar: Yang Berhormat Dato' Yang di-Pertua, boleh-kah Ahli Yang Berhormat itu memberi ma`ana apa ma`ana co- education itu.
Enche' Amaluddin bin Darns: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pelajaran atau perse- kolahan yang berchampor antara pelajar laki2 dengan perempuan.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang saya maksudkan tidak di-amal satu sekolah atau satu darjah perchamporan antara laki2 dengan perempuan.

Sebab, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak manis, tetapi kerana yaan, maka dari sudut kebudayaan itu- lah yang saya akan binchangkan.
Apa yang telah berlaku di-barat yang sedang kita ikuti sekarang kehan- choran moral, akhlak, anak2 di-besar- kan dengan satu sistem pendidekan tanpa memikirkan natijah bear dengan mengetahui hakikat dan hak persamaan hak mahu kebebasan yang sama, keluar ka-sana ka-sini, dengan bebas membawa akibat keruntohan moral kapada bangsa dan negara mi.
Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perkara yang saya katakan tadi dari sudut kebuda- Dalam soal lain dari sudut Kemen- Untok penerangan berkenaan dengan terian Pelajaran, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pertama yang saya ingin katakan perchamporan laki2 perempuan bagai- mana Ahli Yang Berhormat kata itu, 1219 22 DECEMBER 1965 1220 Pusat Pengajian Islam yang akan di-ranchangkan di-Kelantan oleh Kera- jaan PAS pun menerima perempuan dan laki2 berchampor sama.
Jadi untok penerangan supaya Ahli Yang Berhormat itu sedar yang ada satu Pusat Pengajian Islam yang di-ran- chang yang berchampor laki2 perem- puan dan akan di-terima bersama2 dalam Pusat Pengajian mi.

Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: Terima kaseh, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ahli Yang Berhormat itu mengingat- kan saya, perkara yang saya memang ingat.

Saya tahu saperti saya tahu-nya `amalan yang sudah berj alan di-tanah ayer kita bagi semua sekolah.

Tetapi, yang saya harapkan supaya ini di-ubah.


Kita berikhtiar-lah supaya keadaan ini di-ubah di-masa hadapan.

Sebab kita ingin memberi pendidekan berdasar- kan saikoloji berdasarkan `ilmu jiwa dan nature tabi`i pembentokan manu- sia yang di-jeniskan laki2 dan perem- puan itu sendiri.

Kalau tidak itu kita buat, apabila bertentangan dengan nature, maka akan timbul kekachauan.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak menghalang memberi pelajaran sa- tinggi2-nya kapada kaum perempuan bahkan itu hendak-lah di-galakkan.

Tetapi, yang saya mahu, supaya kita memikir pelaj aran yang sa-bagaimana mesti menjadi pelajaran lanjutan kapada gulongan mi.

Pelajaran yang sa-macham mana yang menjadi pela- jaran lanjutan kapada orang ini.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau tidak kita fikirkan, jadi-lah saperti negeri barat.

Mr President : Tolong rengkaskan sadikit, Enche' Amaluddin.
Beni orang lain hendak berchaknp.

Masa kita sengkat.

Enche' Amaluddin bin Darns: Orange barat yang telah mendapat kebebesan dia telah sama2 bekerja ka-luar dan ka-dalam laki2 bekerja, perempuan pun bekerja.

Oleh kerana negeri-nya telah demikian maju, dia berjanji, pukul satu kita makan di- restaurant di-sana.

Sebab, di-rumah, siapa yang akan menjalankan tugas rumah tangga?

Tidak ada, sebab perempuan bekerj a, yang laki2 pun bekerja.

Jadi, keharmonian rumah tangga hilang.


Rumah tangga hanya tempat kembali sa-bentar untok tidor.

Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka hendak bertanya Ahli Yang Berhor- mat itu, ada-kah dia berchadang supaya di-buat satu undang2 menahan orang perempuan daripada bekerj a?

Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, biar-lah saya ber- chakap, kemudian itu Ahli Yang Berhormat itu dapat mengambil kesim- pulan.
Apa yang telah terjadi di-dunia barat sendiri, itu sa-bahagian daripada kebudayaan mereka, kerana mereka telah tergelinchir dan rosak.

Kita dalam pertumbohan.

Maka, kerana kita dalam pertumbohan, saya minta Kementerian Kebudayaan dan Kemen- terian Pelaj gran memikir sa-dalam2- nya perkara ini, supaya kita tidak akan menjadi juga pa' turut kapada mereka yang telah hanyut dan liar di-dalam kebudayaan.

Di-barat sendiri, orang menangis.


Orang bij ak2, yang laki2 atau yang perempuan yang telah berumor menye- sal akan keadaan masharakat dan kebudayaan di-barat.

Jadi, kita jangan ikut dia.

Nanti, waktu sa-sudah sampai, kita, kerana mengikut dia, kita pula hanchor.

Dia sudah mulai balk, kerana dia insaf.

Jadi, sekarang orang barat telah mulai insaf.

Sebab itu, harus kita fikir, meletakkan sa-suatu itu harus pada tempat-nya.

Perempuan harus di-didek untok di-letakkan pada tempat-nya.
Laki2 harus di-didek untok di-letakkan pada tempat-nya.

Perempuan harus boleh bekerja dan boleh jadi Senator Dewan Senget, kata sa-tengah orang.

Jadi, tidak jadi soal itu.

Tetapi ada tempat yang mesti di-beri pendidekan kapada perempuan, tetapi tidak ada galakan, yang sa-benar2-nya ka-arah ini.

Kalau untok menj adi guru sekolah rendah, siapa- kah yang lebeh tepat daripada perem- puan?
Perempuan sangat tepat menjadi guru bagi sekolah rendah, sesuai dengan watak dan tabi`at anak2 yang maseh kechil, yang maseh dalam process perkembangan otak.

Ini, boleh kita beri peluang.

1221 22 DECEMBER 1965 1222 Dan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, doktor.

Kita mahu, kalau ada sa-ribu doktor laki2, mesti ada sa-ribu pula doktor perempuan.

Sebab, kadang2 kalau kita buat banchian, jumlah laki2 sadikit kurang dari jumlah perempuan.
Jadi, mengapa tidak patut kalau sa-ribu doktor laki2, sa-ribu pula doktor perempuan?

Apa-kah usaha ini di- -j alankan oleh Keraj aan, dari satu sudut menambahkan jumlah doktor?

Tetapi, dari sudut lain, saya katakan, dari segi kebudayaan.

Mengapa?

perem- puan pun sakit terpaksa ugama pun mengharuskan, kita membiarkan pe- rempuan di-pereksa oleh laki2.

Tetapi, mengapa tidak di-ikhtiar oleh sa-buah Kerajaan, supaya doktor2 perempuan chukup dan daripada mereka punya specialist2.
Yang demikian, kehormatan perempuan, kehormatan kaum yang lemah, kehormatan kaum manusia yang Tuhan jadikan lemah-lembut dan chantek jelita, isteri2 kita, saudara2 kita, keluarga2 kita, mendedahkan tuboh-nya kapada doktor laki2 pada hal sa-boleh2-nya hendak-lah di-elak- kan daripada terjadi.

Tetapi, kalau tidak dapat, harus, ugama sendiri pun membenarkan.

Tetapi, saya katakan lagi sa-kali, mengapa Kerajaan tidak mahu fikir ini?

Kerajaan mesti fikirkan ini ini-lah kewajipan.


Saya rasa, kalau saya berchakap atas soal ini, barang- kali terlalu panj ang, jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, itu-lah, sudah chukup-lah.

Lain kali kita mengambil peluang lain.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Kementerian Pelajaran menerima sungutan, banyak.

dari tiap2 empat, penohkan itu semua penohkan itu semua-nya.

Panggil sa- j umlah orang yang sanggup interview.

Tidak dapat, kalau dia tidak lulus Grade I, tidak mengapa, kalau dia lulus Grade II.
Tidak chukup orang ini, panggil lagi siapa mahu masok, tidak lulus pereksa itu, Grade II tidak apa.

Beni peluang orange Melayu chukupkan quota-nya, sesuai dengan tujuan dan `azam Kerajaan.

Dengan `amalan yang saya harapkan, bukan dengan chakap2 waktu hendak habis sudah, dekat2 na' habis.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, banyak anak2 Melayu yang lulus Grade II, yang masok interview atau temuduga di- hadapan Jawatan-kuasa yang ineme- reksa hendak dapat scholarship jadi engineer atau sa-bagai-nya tidak lulus.
Jadi alasan Keraj aan tidak ada kelaya- kan-lah, tetapi dia jual tanah dia pergi dengan belanja sendiri dia pas di- universiti di-kalangan kawan2-nya ter- masok orange yang di-pileh yang di-hantar oleh Kerajaan Malaysia.

Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau betul jujor kapada orang Melayu, buktikan-lah dan jangan-lah lama sangat memainkan sandiwara kapada orang Melayu.

Saya khuatir nanti orange Perikatan sendiri, daripada UMNO, tidak tahan lagi.
Macham sekarang ini pun sudah mula nampak mereka tidak tahan sabar lagi kerana banyak sangat sandiwara yang telah mempermainkan bangsa Melayu is-itu bangsa saya sendiri, yang men- jadi tuan punya negeri mi.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya ingin Satu daripada perkara-nya maseh saya hendak menyentoh sadikit sahaja minta supaya Kerajaan mempertim- bangkan soal quota scholarship.

Quota Kementerian Pengangkutan, sayang Menteri yang berkenaan itu tidak scholarship ini tidak di-laksanakan hadhir.
Sebab dia pernah berhutang dengan sa-penoh-nya mengikut hak kapada saya, sampai sekarang tidak istimewa orang Melayu itu.

Alasan di-bayar tetapi di-bayar kapada lain Kerajaan tentu ada, mudah.

Sudah di-pereksa, tidak ada chukup yang ber- kelayakan.

Tempoh hake istimewa itu tempat.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam Dewan ini tiga atau empat tahun dahulu saya nernah mengeshor supaya pun sudah dekat2 hendak habis.

Orang nelabohan Port Swettenham (Selat Melayu maseh lagi kedapatan kurang kelayakan .
Saya mahu Kerajaan mem- buktikan `azam hendak memberi Kiang) yang sudah siap bandar Port Swettenham kalau sudah Sian esok ishtiharkan terus, jadikan Pelabohan keutamaan kapada orange Melayu, Tun Perak atau dengan perkataan lain, dengan tidak memperdulikan soal yang bandar pun bukan Port Swettenham sa-lama ini menjadi kurang kelayakan.

lagi, bandar Tun Perak.

Jadi Menteri Kalau di-kehendaki 100, tiga Melayu Pengangkutan bangun menyatakan 1223 22 DECEMBER 1965.
1224 "Bagus shor itu, akin di-pertimbang- kan bila tiba masa-nya."

Tiba-lah masa-nya pembukaan pela- bohan baharu, saya pun sa-bagai dzif ikut hadhir nama tidak ubah !

Saya tunggu2 lagi, dia kata hendak di-ubah, di-timbang, minta fikiran lagi.

Tiba2 satu masa saya terbacha surat k habar Menteri Pengangkutan kita itu pergi ka-situ menghadhiri isti`adat kerana Kerajaan Jepun hadiahkan kepala keretapi (rail car), di-namakan rail car itu Tun Perak.
Ini saya minta hutang in tidak terbayar di-bayar ka-tempat lain.

Saya minta di-bayar kapada Port Swettenham, dia bayar kapada kepala keretapi.

Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

mengapa saya menekankan perkara ini dalam Dewan Negara ini?

Di-Indonesia, Pateh Gajah Mada di-Melaka (masa itu Seanor nun tidak ada), Me'aka masa itu kerajaan besar bukan Melaka sekarang.

Di-Melaka, Bendahara Tun Perak (Bendahara Paduka Raja).
Di- Indonesia, mereka meletakkan Gajah Mada pada nama sa-buah universiti di- Jakarta di-Jokjakarta kalau tidak salah saya, saya pun tidak pernah singgah-nya kapal2 dani seluroh dunia akan datang, akan mengenali siapa dia Tun Perak saperti orang Indonesia telah menamakan Gaj ah Mada kapada universiti-nya supaya orang kenal siapa Gajah Mada.

Ini-lah satu perkara yang sangat saya kesalkan.

Tun Yang di-Pertua, kalau Menteri Pengangkutan ada tentu-lah seronok juga jawapan-nya n, nti.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya rasa chukup, sebab saya nampak kalau saya terus ber- chakap saya prepare banyak bahan2- nya untok di-kecham.

Mr President : Beni peluang kapada orang lain.

Pnche' Ama'uddin bin Daru: Ya !

Saya fikir untok orang lain, ter.

utama Yang Berhormat Enche' Nik Hassan v nampak-nya siap hendak pukul saya sahaja.

Jadi saya harap apa yang telah saya chakap tadi di-perhatikan, di- fikirkan bagi kepentingan dan muslihat kita bersama (Tepok).
Datu Pengiran Mohamed Digadong Galpam : Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka berchakap perkara yang mana pergi ka-sana, dan kita di-sini saya telah di-binchangkan dalam Dewan m nta letakkan-lah Tun Perak itu Ra`ayat hingga ka-Dewan Negara.

menggantikan nama orang puteh yang Saya rasa puas hati kechuali berkenaan pernah menjadi pegawai penjajah men- dengan kenaikan chukai2 barang2 di- iajah bangsa kita.
Kebetulan Tun Perak itu Pula dia-lah menjadi Gabnor di-Kiang sa-belum di-lantek menjadi Bendahara Paduka Raja Bandar Melaka.

Mengapa Bendahara Paduka Raja yang hidup sa-zaman dengan Pateh Gajah Mada di-beri nama kapada kepala keretapi?

Sangat-lah malang, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, perbuatan yang telah kita lakukan kapada sejarah kita sendiri, satu bangsa yang berbudi, satu bangsa besar yang jiwa-nya pun besar meng- Sabah.
Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya suka berchakap di-sini is-itu berkenaan perkara2 di-Sabah pada masa ini.

Yang Amat Berhormat Tun Abdul Razak di-minta supaya menyegerakan Bill ini ka-Sabah dengan ranchangan2 luar bandar yang mana telah di- chadangkan oleh Kerajaan Pusat peruntokan ka-Sabah tahun yang akan datang sa-terus-nya juga di-Sarawak.

Juga di-sini Yang Berhormat Menteri Tanah dan Galian di-minta Yang Berhormat dan pakar2 di-dalam soal hargai sejarah-nya sendiri.
Kita tanah2 dan galian melawat ka-Sabah meninggi dan mengekalkan riama penjajah Inggeris tetapi tidak mahu menerima fikiran2 untok meletakkan sa-suatu yang baik di-tempat yang baik saperti menamakan bandar Port Swettenham kapada nama Tun Perak.

Pelabohan itu akan menjadi pelabohan yang di-kenali oleh dunia kerana untok menyelideki tanah2 clan galian2 di-Sabah.

Demikian juga Menteri yang berkenaan memberi nasihat-nya kapada Kerajaan Negeri Sabah supaya per- usahaan2 atau kompeni2 yang.
besar2 di-Sabah tidak boleh menambah lagi kompeni2-nya di-Sabah saperti seka- rang ini.

Saya suka menyentoh sadikit 1225 22 DECEMBER 1965 1226 berkenaan dengan Menteri2 tetapi saya fikir mereka tidak ada di-sini hanya dua atau tiga orang.

Di-sini saya juga berchakap kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri Pelajaran di- minta supaya menambahkan ba- ngunan2 sekolah rendah di-kampong2 dan memperbaik keadaan sekolah2 yang ada pada masa ini di-Sabah.
Demikian juga mengadakan Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan untok t^ap2 daerah di-Sabah .

Di-minta juga me- na.mbah bilangan guru2 yang ber- pengetahuan dan berpengalaman yang bukan sahaja bahasa saperti yang lazim-nya di - ajar di -sekolah2 pada masa ini di-Sabah tetapi juga di-dalam tulisan Jawi menambah di-dalam jadual pelajaran di-sekolah2 termasok pelajaran Jawi.
Dato' Yang di-Pertua , di-minta Menteri yang berkenaan menambahkan pusat2 latehan guru2 dan menyamakan tangga2 gaji guru2 di-Sabah dengan tangga gaj i guru2 di-Tanah Melayu Berta membaiki pusat latehan guru2 yang ada pada masa sekarang di- Sabah .

Dato' Yang di-Pertua, sadikit saga suka berchakap di-sini, Yang Ber hormat Menteri Kesihatan di-minta supaya mengadakan pusat kesihatan kechil untok t'ap2 daerah di-Sabah dengan mengadakan klinik bidan di- kampong2 yang di-fikirkan perlu dan patut di- Sabah.
Jadi, Dato' Yang di-Pertua , di-minta Menteri yang berkenaan menambahkan bilangan bidan2 di-Sabah dan menam- bahkan pegawai2 kesihatan untok melawat ka -kampong2 yang jauh dari- pada bandar2 di-dalam Sabah.

Dato' Yang di-Pertua , di-minta Yang Berhormat Menteri Perumahan supaya mengadakan rumah2 tumpangan untok tempat pegawai2 yang datang her khidmat ka- Sabah ; sa-buah di -Jessel- ton dan sa-buah di - Sandakan dan sa-buah di-Tawau.
ml, Dato' Yang di Pertua , perlu kerana saya ketahui pegawai datang darinada Kerajaan Pucat ka-Sab ah yams selalu -nya payah sadikit kerana rumah tumpangan tidak ada.

Jadi sekarang Menteri Perumahan yang berkenaan , saya fikir , nr'ustahak supaya : di,adakan , di-Sabah.
Sekarang, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, di- sini saya suka berchakap sadikit kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri Penerangan di-minta Menteri yang ber- kenaan menambah Pejabat Penerangan di-daerah Labu dan daerah yang di- fikirkan mustahak, dan menambahkan pegawai2 Melayu daripada pusat is-itu ka-Sabah.
Dato' Yang di-Pertua , di-sini sa-benar-nya pegawai yang saya kata- kan is-itu berkenaan dengan Menter^2, tetapi yang sa-benar-nya saya tengok di-sini Menteri2 yang berkenaan itu tidak - lah dapat hadhir, saya fikir barangkali dia orang pun ada meshuarat.

Di-sini saya suka berchakap hapada Menteri Kewangan yang berkenaan, Enche' Tan Siew Sin, di -minty supaya menyamakan harga barang2 makanan di-Sabah dengan harga2 barang di- Malaya ini .
Oleh kerana , Dato' Yang di-Pertua, semenjak kenaikan2 harga barang2 di-Sabah pada masa ini saya suka bertanya ada-kah Menteri yang berkenaan sedang mengetahui me- ngenai kenaikan harga barang2 di- Sabah pada sekarang mi.

Saya fikir Menteri yang berkenaan tidak berapa mengetahui kerana apa yang saya ketahui di -Sabah macham yang sekarang di-Malaya satu kotak manchis api di-sini harga-nya 5 sen, di-Sabah pada masa ini sudah men- jadi 15 sen .
Jadi sa-benar-nya ini perkara yang menjadi susah kapada ra`ayat yang miskn2 oleh kerana barang makanan ini kebanyakan semua ra`ayat yang menggunakan.

Jadi barang makan ini sa-benar-nya ini-lah yang saga rasa naik harga-nya.

Jadi saya berharap Menteri yang berkenaan dapat menyelideki atau memberi macham mana pertolongan untok me- mudahkan atau pun memperbaiki harga barang2 di-Sabah pada masa ini.
Di-minta Menteri yang berkenaan mengambil langkah bagaimana chara hendak mengatasi keadaan kenaikan harga barang2 itu untok meringankan bebanan ra`ayat di-Sabah pada masa ml.
Dato Yanu di-Pertua , perkara ini yang saya suka membawa ka-dalarrii^} 1227 22 DECEMBER 1965 1228 Dewan ini supaya Menteri yang ber- kenaan dapat mengadakan perhubong- an dengan Menteri2 atau pun Ketua Menteri di-Sabah supaya ra`ayat di- sana tidak terlalu berat menanggong kenaikan chukai barang2 makan sebab yang saya ketahu%, Dato' Yang di- Pertua, barang makanan ini a.da-lah di-gunakan oleh ra`ayat.
Ada satu perkara yang saya rasa tidak puas hati atau pun saya rasa ini perkara bukan-lah orang yang miskin yang menggunakan : ada-lah perkara ini di-gunakan oleh orang yang kaya2 atau pun kompeni2 atau pun saudagar= is-itu trekter2 yang masok ka-Sabah dengan tidak ada chukai.

Maka barang ini benar2 mendatangkan basil kapada orang yang kaya2.
Jadi saya rasa per- kara ini ada-lah meringankan kapada orange yang kaya tetapi pula kenaikan harga barang' nlakanan itu mengena pula kapada ra`ayat yang miskln di- seluroh Malaysia.
Jadi di-sini saya berpendapat itu-lah tadi saya katakan, saya menyokong Rang Undang2 yang mana ada pada hari ini, tetapi kechuali berkenaan dengan kenaikan harga barang2 itu di- minta-lah Menteri yang berkenaan supaya menyelideki atau pun meme- reksa dengan baik, meneliti ka-Sabah kerana barang2 makan kalau-lah kenaikan bagitu yang berlipat-Banda, ra`ayat kita yang susah.
Jadi in i saya suka menerangkan di-Majlis ini supaya Yang Berhormat2 atau Menteri2 kita yang berkenaan dapat memikirkan supaya mengatasi berkenaan dengan kenaikan chukai barang2 pada masa ini di-Sabah.

Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya suka ber- chakap, tetapi itu-lah yang saya kata- kan Menteri yang berkenaan, saya fikir, tidak ada di-sini tetapi saya ber- chakap juga-lah.

Kerana kalau saya tidak keluarkan ini perkara memang saya sudah fikirkan dan mustahak-lah juga saya terangkan di-Majlis Dewan in!.
Yang Berhormat Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama di-minta-fah menambahkan memberi nasihat-nya kapada Kerajaan Negeri supaya menambah hasil2 pertanian2 di- Sabah dan memberikan panduan2 kapada petani2 dan chara2 mem- buka perusahaan2 mereka sendiri untok memajukan mereka di-Sabah dan di-minta Menteri yang berkenaan menguaaai Jabatan Sharikat Kerjasama yang ada di-Sabah pada hari ini.
Juga di-minta Menteri yang berkenaan mengadakan beneh2 yang baik saperti getah, kelapa sawit, dan padi untok petani2 dan ranchangan2 pekerjaan di- Sabah.

Sebab perkara ini, kalau tidak ada, sa-benar-nya tuan2 atau pun Menteri2 yang berkenaan tahu di-Sabah ada j uga getah atau pun kelapa sawit dan padi, tetapi saya rasa daripada Tanah Melayu ini memang ada lain- lah daripada Sabah tetapi yang haik- nya kita dapat beneh yang lebeh ba ik atau pun yang memang sudah terkenal di-Malaya supaya di-bagi ka-Sabah.
Dato' Yang di-Pertua, juga di-minta Menteri yang berkenaan supaya meng- adakan Pusat Pertanian Kechil di- tiap2 Daerah dan memperbaiki chara Pusat Latehan yang ada di-Sabah pada hari ini.

Saya perchaya di-Sabah ada j uga, tetapi yang saya kehendaki lebeh dapat sokongan daripada Kerajaan Pusat menghantar wakil2 atau pun pegawai'--nya membantu menjalankan perkara2 yang saya katakan ini di- Sabah.
Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya suka Menteri yang berkenaan dapat mengadakan latehan pertanian kapada petani bumiputera di-Sabah saperti mana yang ada di-jalankan di-.Malaya pada hari ini.
Kerana Sabah dan ra`ayat Sabah tidak ada banyak fikir atau pun tidak ada sadikit pun mem- bantah apa2 daripada mula-nya Sabah masok Malaysia sa-hingga pada hari ini sadikit pun Sabah tidak ada mung- kir atau pun tidak ada bertukar fikiran melainkan Sabah merdeka menerusi Malaysia yang ra`ayat Sabah semua nya kaseh kapada Kerajaan Pusat sa-terus-nya kapada Perdana Menteri Malaysia kita dan Menteri2 yang ada dl-negeri ini.
Jadi, Dato' Yang di- Pertua, ini-lah yang saya katakan di sini untok menjadi satu pengetahuan ra`ayat di-Sabah yang mana Sabah ini betul maseh muda tetapi barangkali juga pada hari ini boleh menjadi sa- perti negeri2 yang lain juga yang telah maj u dan telah berjaya pada hari ini.
1229 22 DECEMBER 1965 1230 Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya suka Dato' Yang di-Pertua, ini yang juga berchakap di-sini is-itu meminta penghabisan saya hendak berchakap Menteri yang berkenaan menghantar- is-itu kapada Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos kan bumiputera Sabah yang berke- dan Talikom.

Dato' Yang di-Pertua, layakan untok berlateh menjadi Pega- di-minta Menteri yang berkenaan wai Pertanian yang berkebolehan.
mengadakan di-pekan2 atau di-kam- Apabila pelateh2 itu kembali dari pong2 talipon box untok orang ramai Pusat Latehan Pertanian di-Malaya, mereka boleh-Iah melateh petani2 yang ada di-Sabah pada masa mi.
Jadi ini juga, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, sangat2 berpuas hati yang dapat saya peluang berchakap pada hari ini yang mana mustahak is-itu Sabah meminta kapada Kerajaan Pusat dan kapada Menteri2 yang berkenaan supaya perkara2 yang mana saya terangkan di-sini dapat-lah di-jalankan dengan sa-berapa segera- nya dan dengan menjadi kebaikan kapada Kerajaan Sabah dan sa-terus- nya Kerajaan Pusat juga is-itu di- Federal mi.
Dato' Yang di-Pertua, di-sini saya juga suka menyentoh sadikit berkenaan dengan Menteri Perdagangan dan Per- usahaan.

Menteri yang berkenaan ini di-minta memberi peluang kapada Sharikat2 Bumiputera supaya mendapat bantuan2 saperti f actory2 atau pun yang patut di-fikirkan, di-guna oleh anak bumiputera di-Sabah pada tahun yang akan datang.

Fasal apa saya Data, sekarang rasa saya tinggal dua tiga hari sudah lain tahun.
Jadi di-minta pada Menteri yang berkenaan supaya dapat membantu anak bumiputera di-Sabah sa-terus-nya juga dalam Malaysia mi.

Dato' Yang di-Pertua, di-sini pula saya bangkitkan dan saya suka ber- chakap berkenaan dengan Menteri Keselamatan.

Di-minta Menteri yang berkenaan supaya menambahkan - lagi Balai2 Polis di-Sabah untok anak pendudok Polis yang kurang di-Sabah dan di-minta ikut-lah sa-bagaimana yang ada di-Persekutuan (Malaya) mi.
Sebab apa, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, kerana kekurangan banyak sebab, saya sendiri dapati apabila siapa yang masok bekerja dengan Polis, kebanya- kan rumah tidak ada.
Jadi di-minta-lah Menteri yang berkenaan supaya sa-bagaimana yang saya tengok ada di-Malaya ini, oleh kerana di-Sabah, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, bukan-lah saperti di-Tanah Melayu ini, di-sana kebanyakan-nya sungai, jadi talipon itu tidak chukup baik di-mana satu district saya perchaya kebanyakan pegawai2 daripada Persekutuan ini yang melawat ka-Sabah, sa-benar-nya kadang2 boleh berchakap, kadang2 tidak boleh dapat berchakap.

Fasal apa, dia punya talipon tidak bagitu baik-fah.
Jadi saya minty Menteri yang berkenaan supaya berusaha untok melawat ka-Sabah supaya tempat2 yang j auh dapat di- fikirkan di-perbaiki dan di-beri talipon atau pun wireless supaya senang ber- hubong dengan Bandar saperti yang saya ketahul di-sabelah Laboh itu atau di-Kanabinatangan itu selalu juga di- sabelah Kanabinatangan ini saya rasa tidak berapa jauh-lah daripada sem- padan.

Jadi di-sana kita selalu dapat tahu yang talipon atau pun radiophone apabila kita mahu berchakap dia hilang sudah rosak.
Jadi ini perkara sa- benar2-nya kalau ada yang mustahak, apabila dahulu kita punya ra`ayat mati baharu kita dapat bantuan.

Jadi perkara ini di-minta-lah kapada Menteri yang berkenaan supaya boleh membantu dengan sa-berapa yang segera-nya.
Sebab masa ini kita di- tempat yang dekat sempadan2 atau pun di-pelusok2 itu, saya perchaya nanti satu hari jadi kesusahan-lah kapada ra`ayat kita dan, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, di-minta Menteri yang berkenaan menambah lagi jabatan2 di-Sabah untok ra`ayat di-sang supaya mereka senang membawa hasil2 tanaman dan buah2 untok di-jual di-bandar2 sa bagaimana yang ada di-Persekutuan Tanah Melayu ini.
Jadi, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, sava renambahkan lagi bangunan2 itu di- fikir tidak ada lain tidak-lah banyak untokkan kapada pegawai2 Polis atau saya berchakap di-sini hanya mana pun pegawai2 yang berkenaan di- Sabah.

sahaja chakapan tadi itu-lah sahaja yang saya bawa kapada Dewan supaya 1231 22 DECEMBER 1965 semua Ahli Yang Berhormat dan Menteri2 juga dapat membantu dan memikirkan untok menjadi kesela- matan di-negeri Sabah.
Ini, Dab' Yang di-Pertua, saperti di-Sabah, kerana sa-benar2 yang saya ketahui, saya ini ada-lah wakil daripada Sabah.

Jadi saya sangat faham di-sabelah Sabah sa-belah Persekutuan saya fikir cherita ini juga keadaan tempat kita masing2.

Jadi ini hanya dapat saya terangkan di-bahagian Sabah.

Jadi, Tuan yang di-Pertua, kira-nya kata2 saya tadi ada tersilap barangkali ada juga di-ambil chakapan2 ini di-tulis2 saya harap-lah saya ada satu kopi di-sini juga mana2 yang saya chakap tadi itu.
Enche' Chan Keong Han: Mr Pre- sident, Sir, much has been said in both Houses on the merits and demerits of Malaysia's first Five-Year Plan.

Some sections feel that it is bold yet realistic, a programme which will bring added prosperity to the nation and to the people.

But others are of the opinion that much more should be done to up-Lift the living standards particularly of the rural population.
I am, however, inclined to share the sentiment that the Plan is definitely going to greatly improve the living conditions through- out our country.

By 1970, the many projects set out in the Development blueprint, costing a colossal sum of $10,500 million, are bound to set the whole machinery of our nation hum- ming in greater activity.
With more irrigation and drainage schemes, agri- cultural production will certainly be stepped up, leading our country closer to self-sufficiency, particularly in the staple food of rice.

Mr President, Sir, the various indus- tries of our nation will also churn out more manufactured goods, both for home consumption and for export to other countries.

The per capita income will also and generally the people of Malaysia will become more prosperous.

Now all these will result in a better life for all.
But, Mr President, Sir, there is one thing to which I would like to draw the attention of the Government.

Sir, the First and the Second Five-Year Plans for Malaya were generally a success.

The various projects benefited the people, especially those in the rural areas.

Unfortunately, there were a number of schemes which I felt had cost more than they should.
It is a common utterance amongst the ra`ayat that our Ministers while inspecting various development schemes, were always pleased to hear from the officers in charge that so many millions had been spent, but they were generally not aware whether the amount was properly spent.

In other words, the cost of these projects could have been pruned down if closer scrutiny was exercised.
So, for the next five years, I hope the Government will exercise greater care in planning and in imple- menting the various projects.

Mr President, Sir, as every one is aware, the achievement gained in Malaya's Second Five-Year Plan was due mainly to the hard work put in by all, from the Ministers right down the line to the labourers in the field.

Now, this splendid co-operation was the result of proper planning and diyi- sion of responsibility.
Committees were set up at National, State, District and even Kampong level to discuss, formu- late, and implement the various schemes.

Every project was closely examined before implementation.

I am sure that with the same spirit, dedica- tion and determination, the First Five- Year Plan for the whole of Malaysia can also achieve the same success.

However, I wish to point out that when Malaya's Second Five-Year Plan was launched in 1960, the all-round enthusiasm was great and there was keeness everywhere.
Unfortunately, from personal experience, I noticed that the same enthusiasm began to wane in the closing stages, i.e.

during the last two years of the Plan.

This slack in enthusiasm and lack of spirit could easily wreck any programme how every well planned it might be.

This attitude must be corrected, if the First Malaysia Plan is to be carried out successfully.

We must, therefore, call for the revival of enthusiasm and resurrection of this spirit.
1233 22 DECEMBER 1965 1234 Mr President, Sir, there is another point which needs a little emphasis.

I refer to the question of red tape.

As our Deputy Prime Minister, Tun Haji Abdul Razak, had repeatedly stated in the past five years, civil servants must do away with all unnecessary red tape, if the pace of development is to be accelerated.

No undue obstacle or hindrance must be created for the in the evening.

This bridge because of its narrow width has caused many fatal motor car accidents.
I have per- sonally seen an accident where a mother and her baby were drowned.

During the past five years this bridge had claimed not less than 30 lives.

I have taken this matter up with the Public Works Department, Selangor, sometime ago and I was given to smooth and speedy implementation of understand that a plan is ready for the various schemes.

I know of one the construction of a wider bridge.


I definite instance where a simple small appeal to the Minister for his sympa- project to supply water to a kampong with a population of 3,000 has been held up for four years; and up till today this project is still on paper.

I understand the delay is due to differences of opinion among some of the officers concerned.

This has resulted in a marathon correspondence and the public is made to suffer.
Sir, I am sure that this is one of the many cases in which projects are held up.

I hope the Government will see to it that such nonsense will not be repeated for the First Malaysia Plan.

Mr President, Sir, I now wish to refer to page 596 of the Estimates of Federal Expenditures for 1966 under the Ministry of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, where a provision of $14,334,700 is budgeted for the Maintenance of Public Roads and Bridges.
I appeal on behalf of the residents of Jinjang New Village and Kepong that a certain sum from this vote be used to widen the bridge leading to the Jinjang New Village.

This bridge is hardly 20 feet wide ... .

Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar : Sir, on a Member refer to details in the Estimates?

in passing.

Mr President : I do not think he is referring in detail.

He is just quoting Enche' Chan Keong Hon: Thank you.
This bridge, as I said, is hardly 20 feet wide with no provision for a pedestrian walk, and it is sited at a very sharp bend.

There are about 5,000 people, tappers, labourers, school children and others, using this bridge everyday to go to work and return thetic consideration and release of funds for its early implementation.

Mr President, Sir, I would now like to refer to the problem of squatters and low-cost housing.

My spotlight will be on Kuala Lumpur.


Sir, it is true that several multi-storey flats have been built in the Federal Capital as part of the Government's programme to re-house squatters and to clear up slum areas.

The Government's effort is praiseworthy, because it is an open secret that these slum areas are not only a death trap but also serve as a hide-out for gangsters and thugs.
It is equally well known that many squat- ters are renting cubicles in the already small huts and it is these people, the tenants, who rightly deserve any alter- nate accommodation.

Therefore, in alloting low-cost flats, I hope the authorities will ensure that the real occupants and not the owners of squatter huts are given any consideration.

Another matter which I wish to point out is this.


I have been informed that there are quite a number of private low-cost flats to help in the Govern- ment's programme to solve the squatter problem; but, unfortunately, they face a big obstacle.

I refer to the exorbitant sums demanded by squatters or tenants as compensation before they are pre- pared to shift out to make way for any housing scheme.
I hope the Govern- ment will also look into this issue, so that slum areas in the capital could be speedily cleared up.

Perhaps, Mr President, Sir, to this end, certain form of legislation is the answer.

I am sure Honourable Members will point of order, could the Honourable developers, who are prepared to build 1235 22 DECEMBER 1965 1236 agree with me that squatter huts are an eye-sore to visiting V.I.Ps and foreign tourists.
Before I conclude, I wish to associ- ate myself with my colleagues in congratulating the Honourable Minis- ter of Finance for his so called mild Budget for 1966, and I hope he will be able to present to the House a less controversial Budget for 1967 in the light of constructive public criti- cisms and experience gained in its implementation during 1966.

Thank you, Sir.

(Applause).

Mr President : Persidangan ini di- tanggohkan sa-hingga pada pukul 2.30 petang.

Sitting suspended at 1.00 p.m.


Sitting resumed at 2.30 p.m. (Mr (Deputy) President in the Chair) Mr (Deputy) President : Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, oleh sebab kita ada lagi 17 Bill yang kita mesti habiskan pada hari ini, saya harap-lah Ahli2 Yang Berhormat itu boleh memendekkan uchapan mereka berkenaan dengan Supply Bill ini dan saya akan meminta Menteri2 menjawab-nya pada pukul 3.30.
Enche' D. S. Dorai Raj: Mr Pre- sident, Sir, first of all, I take this opportunity to congratulate the Minis- ter of Finance for presenting a well balanced Budget to the nation.

His national consciousness and farsighted- ness is leading the nation towards a just and prosperous society.

As the Alliance is dedicated towards national progress and the creation of equal society, the Minister of Finance has spared no time in achieving this object.
On scrutinising the Budget, I have certain observations to make parti- cularly on the estimates for Agriculture and Co-operatives.

As an ex-employee of a rubber plantation, I am gravely concerned over the fragmentation of rubber estates in this country.

Frag- mentation gives rise to many social problems, such as unemployment, housing, and economic ruin to the nation.

The National Finance and Land Co-operative Society and its leadership have agreed to battle against fragmentation .
For this purpose, it is my humble opinion that legislation by the Government is absolutely necessary to prevent fragmentation.

When we discuss fragmentation, we must at all times bear in our minds the human factor involved, and it cannot be dis- puted that fragmentation is a social evil.

Therefore, I call upon the relevant Ministry to undertake the prohibition of fragmentation by enacting appro- priate legislation.

Sir, I will also fail in my duty if I do not comment on estate hospitals.
Some of the estate hospitals are an eye sore and their present plight reflects on our national integrity and dignity.

It is time that the estate hos- pitals are brought under the supervision of the Government.

Such a move will enable an efficient and effective health service in estates.
Enche' Lim Joo Kong : Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menguchap ribuan terima kaseh, sebab saya dapat peluang berchakap sekarang dan sunggoh2-nya daripada kelmarin sampai sekarang lebeh kurang 20 kali saya sudah bangun tetapi sa-kali pun ta' dapat peluang boeh berchakap.
Mr President, Sir, I rise to join my other colleagues in congratulating the Honourable Minister of Finance for his ability in drawing up such a com- prehensive, bold and progressive Bud- get, without adding much extra burden to our tax-payers, despite so much development having been achieved by the Alliance Government under the brilliant leadership of our Tunku within such a short time and in the face of Indonesian confrontation.

Sir, human nature is such that it is more pleasant to take rather than give.
Hence, the job of the Minister to take money from the pockets of the people to run the Government is not a pleasant one no matter how little he tries to tax the people.
Sir, on behalf of the people of Kedah in particular, and the people of Malaysia in general , I thank the Minister of Finance and our Alliance Government for the successful conclu- sion of the agreement whereby our country obtains a loan of $135 million 1237 22 DECEMBER 1965 1238 from the world Bank for the purpose of the development of the Muda River project .
The completion of this project would enable a quarter of a million acres of padi fields in North Kedah and Penis to plant two padi crops a year, thereby increasing the padi planters ' income by more than one hundred per cent , thus improving the standard of living of our planters and of our people which comprise most of the indigenous people .
This will no doubt bring us nearer to our goal in the production of sufficient food for the people of Malaysia , saving our country much of the $600 million which goes to the cost of the food which we are now importing into our country yearly.

I sincerely hope that all Government officers responsible for the construction of this project will put their heart and soul into achieving the completion of this project at the earliest possible date.
It is most regretful to note that in the implementation of the Govern- ment's most important self-sufficiency policy, there have been some snags about which we have been informed by some Honourable Members of this House e .g.

that padi was allowed to rot in the padi fields and that some padi planters were only able to obtain as little as $8 for a pikul of padi, whereas the Government guarantees them that they would receive not less than $16 .
I fervently hope that the Honourable Minister of Agriculture will make every effort to find out the causes of such snags and take what- ever immediate action necessary to remedy the defects.

As I pointed out in this House before, the Government has been piti- fully slow in the payment of rice money to the millers and as a consequence the millers have suffered heavy losses and are unable to buy much of the padi from the planters.
It will be no use asking our farmers to grow more padi when they cannot market their padi.

Our Government would lose the con- fidence of the people , if it could not carry out its pledge , guaranteeing that the padi planters would not get less than what is guaranteed by the Government to them .

Therefore , unless the millers are in a position to buy ail the padi, the Government's aim would be defeated .
The padi harvest in Kedah will be in full swing in the next few weeks and, therefore , I sincerely hope that the Honourable Ministers will find all the ways and means to remedy this defect without delay.

Sir, it is wise for the Government to diversify industries throughout the length and breadth of the country, either in time of peace or war, and it would be advisable to have factories established at places where raw mate- rials can be obtained in abundance.
For example , it would be no use to put up rice mills in Kuala Lumpur, or in Ipoh , where you cannot grow padi and to put up smelting factories in Kedah, where we do not have tin ore.

I say this, because some Members of this House have been clamouring for the establishment of paper manu- facturing factories elsewhere.

Sir, Kedah is our country 's biggest pro- ducer of padi, and we are proud of being always referred to as the granary of Malaysia .
So, there is no argument that there is an abundance of padi straw , which is one of the best raw materia ls for paper manufacturing.

The establishment of a paper factory in Kedah would surely bring in much extra income to the padi planters, as they can cash in on their padi straw, which is now just thrown away , or left to rot in the fields, or burnt .
I hope the Honourable Minister of Commerce and Industry will kindly and carefully con- sider my suggestion for the establish- ment of a paper factory in Kedah, which will no doubt provide employ - ment for many thousands of farmers, who are idle for six months of the year during the off season.

Sir, I was given the honour by the Prime Minister to have samples of paper, which I manufactured by hand from padi straw , tested at the Govern- ment laboratory in Ipoh.
The paper was found to be much more stronger than that manufactured from rubber wood pulp .

Therefore , there should not be any reason to suggest that straw paper is no good.

12.39 22 DECEMBER 1965.

1240 Now, Sir it is with regret that I have Lumpur, I could not find any local rice some criticisms to make against the administration of the Department of Radio and Broadcasting .
i am reluc- tant to do so , because the Honourable Minister is my own kinsman or coun- tryman , having come from the same State and moreover one of my sons is serving under him in his Ministry, but, for the sake of advancement and for the benefit and good of our people and country , I have to point out some of the defects of this Ministry to Honourable Members of this House.
Recently, I wrote a letter to the Direc- tor, trying to correct some mistakes, but the reply gave me such a shock that I had to swallow one full packet of Aspro before I could recover.

It seems to me that our radio broad- casting system is some sort of foreign secret agency, doing propaganda work for some foreign countries at the expense of our country, because the reply given to me was that they got the information in respect of our local rice from a foreign source.
It makes us a laughing stock, Sir, when it cannot even pronounce correctly the name of our Minister of Commerce and Industry, Dr Lim Swee Aun.

I hope the Honourable Minister will find a quick remedy for this defect, and direct Radio Malaysia to do more publicity for our local products for the benefit and good of our people and the country.
Sir, our country produces some of the best rice , such as jarum mas, rambut pandan , ramai ringan, beras umai , etc., which are second to none in comparison with the other types of rice in any other part of the world.

Radio Malaysia daily broad- casts and quotes the prices of Kedah rice for $20.50 per pikul , which is hopelessly misleading and ridiculous, because even the cost of broken rice of some other countries are higher than this price .
Therefore , this creates a very wrong and bad impression in the mind of our people that our Kedah rice must be very, very bad indeed and unpalatable to human beings , because broken rice is usually used as animal fodder .

No wonder , Sir, when I visited some of the rice shops in Kuala being offered for sale to customers and when I called at some eating shops asking for a plate of Kedah rice, I was in fact served with foreign rice and was told that our local rice is no good .
Sir, here again , we can clearly note that unless we can put a stop to this state of affairs, all our efforts in encouraging our farmers to grow more rice would be thrown overboard and our aim to make our country self- sufficient would be defeated.

The actual fact is that the Government purchases rice from Kedah in Alor Star at $26 per pikul .
Therefore, the price in Kuala Lumpur should be very much higher moreover it is only for the ordinary type and therefore, the prices of other special varieties should be much higher .

Hence, I say the quotations by Radio Malaysia is hope- lessly misleading and radiculous.

Sir, I wish to make this opportunity to point our to the Honourable Mem- ber from Perlis in respect of what he said yesterday in connection with the purchase of padi, as I am directly con- cerned in this line.
He told this House yesterday that rice-millers in Kedah and Perlis paid more than $ 16 for a pikul of padi in June or July this year, and I am indeed grateful to him for telling the truth .
The G overnment guarantees the padi planters $16 per pikul of good, dry and fully matured padi free of empty grains , dust, straw and any other foreign matters, and the padi is to be delivered up to the Government ' s mill door; that is to say that, unless the private millers are prepared to pay in accordance with what is laid down by Government regulations, the padi planters can sell all his padi to the Government mill because the Government undertakes to buy whatever quantity of padi offered to the Government for sale .
Therefore, the interest of the padi planters is fully protected and well looked after by the Government , and I hope this will not worry our Honourable Mem- ber.

However, that does not mean to say that the planter can ask the miller to go to the padi field and collect his padi in other words , the miller will 1241 22 DECEMBER 1965 1242 be supplied with padi straightaway from the padi fields, without drying, full of moisture contents, straw, empty grains, dust, and be asked to pay $16 for a pikul of padi.
We have heard the Honourable Minister said yesterday that he found out that actually the millers in Tanjong Karang were buying at $13 after all the deductions, and not at $8 as alleged by some Honourable Members in this House the planter must harvest his padi after it is fully matured and then have his padi suffi- ciently dried up to a required standard of dryness, which can be measured by Sir, in the first instance, I should like to congratulate the Honourable Minis- ter for his very able speech which he was very kind enough to distribute to us here.
As usual, it presents the entire economic vista of the country and the approach is very rational.

As in the past, it covers the international aspects of economics, particularly projecting those countries which determine the cost of economics in the world, it also states the problems and in the end the Minister proposed various taxes that he would like to introduce.

Since last year, we have gone a certain moisture metre.
The Honour- through an important change; much able Member from Perlis has also water has flowed under the political admitted that conditions differ in each bridge of our country; and last year State and that in his State of Perlis none of us had any idea at all that the area of operation for a haulier is Malaysia would be bifurcated, but, as less than a distance of ten miles.
But, Sir, in Kedah the distance between its northern and southern frontier is more than one hundred miles and a rice-miller would usually send out his lorry to collect padi for a distance of nearly fifty miles.

To suggest that charges for carrying a bag of padi should be fifteen cents is senseless, unless the lorry can operate on air and water.

As the Member himself has also admitted, in accordance with the Road Transport Regulations, a haulier is entitled to charge twenty-five cents per ton per mile.
Working on this basis of calculation, it would amount to $1.25 per bag for a distance of fifty miles.

So, I hope this will satisfy that Honourable we know, the country is now no longer as it was last year.

Despite that, as has been stated by our Prime Minister, the bifurcation has brought about better stability in the internal affairs of the country, and we hope it will continue to be so.
In so far as the Honourable Minister of Finance is concerned, the Supply Bill this year has been generally well received it is said to be mild and various epithets have been attributed to it, such as a painless Budget, "or as a mild Budget".

But having regard to the one that we had last year, one might say that this is certainly not a very "biting" Supply Bill.
Last year, the Honourable Minister made inroads colleague of mine, and I hope my into various new avenues of taxation, explanation is quite clear to him.

That such as the turnover tax, the capital is all I wish to speak today.

Thank you very much.

Enche' Athi Nahappan: Mr Presi- gains tax and the payroll tax.
All these were new taxes to the country and these were introduced in the interest of the country mainly for three dent, Sir, I am conscious of the fact reasons; development, defence and dip- that this is a debate at large and an annual opportunity to air one's views, lomacy.

On all these three fronts the country had to make frontal attacks and, and every conceivable view might therefore, the country had to raise the appear to be relevant.
In view of the necessary money to meet the commit- fact that there is little time ahead of ments.
Last year the country received us and that a number of other Bills the Supply Bill with a great deal of have to be debated, I should like to misgivings, doubts, anxiety and fear, resist the temptation of making a long and during the last whole year I should speech and try to be as brief as I say that the economic market cf this possibly can, in view of the fact that other Members may still want to speak on this Supply Bill.
country has been rather tight buying and selling, particularly land transac- tions, had come to standstill; the sellers 1243 22 DECEMBER 1965 1244 were chasing the purchasers, yet the prices did not seem to come down very much though appreciably it had in some respects.. know that a number of building projects had come to a stand- still half-way, because of the credit squeeze imposed by the banks as a result of the monetary policy of the Government, the Supply Bill last year itself, and various impositions of taxes and so on.
I hope a better climate would be introduced, so that the buoyancy of economy will be main- tained and the fluidity of transactions will continue, so that there will be a healthy economic atmosphere.

Sir, I am glad to note that the Minister has opened himself to per- suasion.

Very often, he has been criticised as a very stern and strict Minister,, who would not easily give in, but he has admirably shewn that where sufficient convincing argument is put forth, he would reconsider his proposals.
His position is not enviable; his job is a thankless one, and he has got a dual role of having to raise money for the requirements of the country mainly, to meet the three dimensions of defence, diplomacy and develop- ment-and to release what he collects on the basis of fair-play and equilib- that it will keep up the healthy econo- mic growth of the country.
I know there are a number of countries which have capital gains tax, but if in the case, for instance, of lands the gradu- ated scales are proposed, 1 would suggest that if the Minister wants money there, I suppose the easiest way is to increase the stamp duty which can be quite easily collected.
At the moment we pay $10 per $1,000 which is less when compared with other countries -I was in India for the whole of last month, and I came back crAy 3 or 4 days ago; there, they have a higher level of stamp duty; I am told that they pay something like $10 for every $100 of transaction which is very high indeed but certainly we can raise it and instead of $10 for every $1,000 of transferred properties land, I mean it can be raised to $30 or $40.
and it can be very easily collected because the transaction would not be completed unless the stamp duty is paid.

From the point of view of admin- istration, it is simpler and would keep alive the land liquidity; and the Government it bound to get higher revenue from that angle rather than going to this complicated structure of graduated scales of capital gains tax.

rium between the various claims.


Both Sir, on the whole, I think the pro- these jobs are not easy, and both posals are quite reasonable having these jobs attract a good deal of criti- regard to the fact that we have not rid cism, so much so that the Minister ourselves of the onslaught or external himself said that he had developed, threat from Indonesia.

The threat is I think, a crocodile skin to all these there, the pressure is there, and we criticisms.
But even though he might have been compelled to increase our have developed this skin, he has shown defence expenditure from about 7 aer that he is prepared to reconsider things cent to 15 per cent or so, and that as in the case of the turnover tax, accounts for the second claimant in where he has reconsidered it and is the appropriations of our expenditure.

now limiting it to a single-stage levy.


This is of course, unnecessary, and In the case of the capital gains tax this was another source of anxiety to a lot of people, and particularly land transactions which, as I said, came to a stop because of this capital gains tax.

But, Sir, I am glad to note that this again is to be reviewed, and the though we do not want to do it, but when faced by a challenge we cannot simply sit back and expect God to help us.
We have help ourselves and, there- fore, this need for greater expenditure has come about.

I am particularly impressed that in experience of other countries is to be the appropriations, the field of educa- taken into consideration to see whether tion has attracted the largest amount.

or not it is to be implemented.


I would It is somewhere around $300,000.000 ask the Minister to drop the whole out of a total of $1,500.000,000 of capital gains tax, as I do not think expenditure, roughly speaking and 1245 22 DECEMBER 1965 1246 I made a quick calculation this is somewhere around 21 % of the alloca- tion of the entire expenditure.

This is something very high indeed.

I have had the occasion to look into the figures of countries elsewhere.
For example, Thailand nearby only spends about 16 per cent with no confronta- tion, whereas we who are in the midst of various tensions and pressures, are spending more on education and cer- Industrial Research, a Standards Insti- tute, and an Institute of Industrial Technology.

All these are, of course, most welcome steps.


They should have been established a long time ago but many of these things are, of course, relative; they do not grow out of a vacuum; they have to grow in the con- text of general development.

Now that we are industrialising, all these Insti- tutes are necessary, but then these are tainly this is a very good investment, at the higher level.

What we need is because in the modern world education is regarded as the soundest form of investment.
It is intangible but it is likely to produce results in the growth of a nation in the course of time.
I had occasion the last time to men- tion that our educational policy, as the Minister of Education is always brim- ming with ideas, and he is a man who is receptive to new ideas, had been subjected to changes from time to time, and to some extent this was causing anxiety to parents, because the parents did not know where their children were standing, in so far as education was concerned, and it had been said that in Singapore education had been rather stable.
However, we have this problem of having to create a nation and national consciousness and national personality, and our education policy will have to be geared and tied to that.

That is understandable.

Having accep- ted that, then I think it is only fair that the parents of this country have the right to expect some kind of stability in the educational system of the country and not for it to be changed from time to time, thereby creating all kinds of convulsions.
I asked and pressed for' the last time that our educa- tion should be given science orienta- tion.

We have been relying too much on the British pattern of paying great respect to arts.

I think the time has come for a country like ours to create a science orientation and, therefore, our science orientation should begin right at the primary level itself.
The Honourable Minister of Finance in his Budget speech delivered elsewhere has mentioned that arrange- ments are being made to establish a National Institute of Scientific and scientific knowledge being imparted to children right from a young age, so that our educational policy will be geared not merely from the point of view of acquiring knowledge but also from the point of view of securing full employ- ment.
If we are going to rely too much on the three arts, then, I am afraid we are going to create a lot of pro- blems for ourselves, as happened in India for instance where too many people with arts degrees are loitering in the streets seeking jobs.

We do not want to create a situation like that.


What we want to create is a community with sufficient scientific knowledge and knowledge of general affairs, so that they could be fitted into the various aspects of life when they reach the appropriate ages; and in this it is very important that that emphasis should be laid more on applied science rather than fundamental science.

As I said, when I was in India, I had made certain enquiries in this res- pect.
Where that country went wrong was that they had been paying a great deal of respect to fundamental research, abstract science.

As a result, they have not made much headway in spite of the fact that they say that they are now in the economic take-off, indus- trial take-off; but in spite of that, they have not gone to the kind of speed that Japan had when she took off econo- mically years ago.

In fact, Japan paid greater respect to applied science first, and then got on to fundamental re- search later.
That is why I emphasise that the sciences should be taught right from the primary level, where applied science can be taught to chil- dren so as to develop scientific thought, scientific attitude and a scientific frame of mind.
1247 22 DECEMBER 1965 1248 Now, Sir, while talking on education, I would like to touch on, as I have mentioned earlier, this question of full employment, because education is related to full employment and it is now accepted that the responsibility of a modern Government is to provide jobs for its citizens.

Gone are the laissez faire days, when the Government left the people to fend for themselves, Now, the Government has to provide society with the necessary means of livelihood.
Every State, no matter whether it is right or left, wants to be a welfare state.

Therefore, with our free enterprise economy, we believe never- theless, that we should create the necessary conditions for full employ- ment.

How far we can have this, consistent with free enterprise, is a matter of practical application, and probably the idea of free enterprise in its entire sense may not be enforced strictly.

It will have to be modified from the point of view of enforcing employment.
There, again, it is a matter of empiricism, and as we go by we may have to evolve our policies.

But what is alarming is what the Minister for Finance has pointed out on page 15 of the speech; he has rightly drawn attention to the fact that, for instance, last year itself, 115,800 boys and girls left school and again a similar number is expected at the end of this year, and he said -I quote, "Last year about 115,800 boys and girls left school.
At the end of this year at least another 100,000 boys and girls would be leaving school.

Unless many more jobs are created in the future than have been created in the past, the position will deteriorate progressively" This is a very students, boys and girls, are going to come out seeking for jobs, whereas the Malaysia Development Plan is only going to provide jobs for about 70,000 there is a short fall of about 30,000 every year.

How are we going to find jobs for them?


This is a very important problem -I find the Honourable Minis- ter for Labour is here because I remember in the Indian Government Second Five-Year Plan they created jobs for 8 million people during the Five-Year Plan period and during the same period about 12 million people came into the labour market seeking for jobs, and in the end there was a net loss and not a net gain.
A similar situation may arise here, considering the fact that our rate of population growth is one of the highest in the world and it is 3 per cent.

Now, if we allow this rate of growth to con- tinue, I am afraid that we will.

be having in our hands quite a problem of unemployment, unless our educa- tion policy is so geared as to provide jobs for all these youngsters, who are coming out.

As our country is not very big and we have only limited resources this will be a tremendous social problem.
Again the Minister, on page 16 of his speech, has spotlighted the fact that in 1964, for instance, and I am quoting the Minister: "The pattern of unemployment by age groups of both sexes followed the same pattern as in 1964 with the highest rate for unemployment occurring in the age groups 15-19 and 20-24".

Now, this is the age group that is by and large unemployed.

We are a strange sound warning.

How are we going to nation here, because roughly about 50 do it, the Minister has not mentioned per cent.
of our people are below the very much by way of concrete sugges- tions in his speech although he has pointed out the problem.

He has also drawn attention to the Malaysia Development Five-Year Plan, which makes provision for 65,000 jobs in 1966 and thereafter annually 70,000 jobs during the period of the Plan.

If you are going to take this figure as the ages of 21.
We have got a very youth- ful population and they are coming out every year in large numbers seeking for jobs, and something should be done in this direction and one of the long- term projects is, of course, population control through family planning.
That has also been mentioned, and I am glad to note that the Minister in his maximum correct figure envisaged, then speech has said, and I quote if we compare it with the Minister's figure that every year about 100,000 "The Government has decided to encour- age family planning as a matter of policy 1249 22 DECEMBER 1965 1250 as .

:a result of the findings of a high level committee headed by the Minister of Education."

I am glad that the Government has agreed to encourage this - as a matter of policy.
Hitherto, this was left in the hands of family planning associations, voluntary bodies, and they could just carry on in a very moderate way.

However, I think it is only proper that the Government should take it over and see that this idea of family plan- ning is spread, so that we would have manageable families, families with quality than quantity.

Of course, at the moment it can be said that, having regard to the fact that only about 17 per cent.

to 18 per cent.
to 18 per cent.

of the States of Malaya is developed and even lesser proportions of Sarawak and Sabah are developed, there is greater room for human expansion.

Strictly speaking, we are an underpopulated nation, but at this stage of development we are overpopulated.

Maybe, as we indus- trialise and we create more jobs, we can have the luxury of having un- limited numbers in our families; but at the moment of economic develop- ment, our industrial set-up, we are riot in a position to have large families.
Even in highly developed countries like Sweden, 85 per cent.

of the average family there has got only one child and about 10 per cent.

two children, and the rest three children.

So, even in countries so highly developed, they believe in the theory of limiting their families, and I hope that the Government will put teeth into this and not merely be hamstrung by other irrelevant considerations, because this is a very important matter of national importance and consequence.
Now, Sir, the other point that I would like to touch upon, without taking much more time, is (Laughter) I am trying to cut it short the question of foreign affairs, which is a matter of close interest to me and to other Members here.

In this field various Members have expressed their opinions unfortunately, the Minister of Foreign Affairs is not here, but we hope that- what we have said will fall into the ears of the appropriate authorities.
Now -on the whole, our foreign affairs has been a pragmatic one, not , merely tied down to high sounding platitudes; and it has been growing in terms of our national needs and experiences.

It has been said that the fundamental principle in evolving a foreign policy is your own interest national interest is the primary in- terest and we cannot simply be carried away by illogical consideration because we cannot afford the luxury of it.
Some other countries tried it, and now they are coming around to the pragmatic way.

For instance, again, I quote India, where at one time they considered themselves the har- bingers of peace, and Nehru's leadership was like that, but now they are coming around to the view that their primary interest must prevail in their thinking of their foreign policy.
Now, some time ago, the Honourable Prime Minister, who is the Minister of Foreign Affairs, more or less succinctly stated what the policy of the Govern- ment is in regard to foreign affairs.
The policy is broadly laid down in the Alliance Manifesto and it is very clear to anyone, but in the light of the experiences gained he recently said this and I quote this because this was an answer to a question raised in the Lower House : "The Government's policy was to cultivate the friendship of countries friendly to Malaysia."

He also said : "Foreign policy could not remain stag- nant.

It has to expand to keep pace with the changing world trends."
Then, also, the question of having diplomatic relations with communist countries was raised, and he said : "The question of Malaya establishing diplomatic relations with communist c en- tries depends very much on the desire for friendship on their side."

We have now come to this stage, in our foreign policy, of having relation- ship with communist countries.

We have gone through the terrible experience of internal communist trouble but that is internal.
However, in so fart` as international affairs are concerned, our thinking has `eome^ to this stage of now having " diplomatic relations with communist 'countries.

1251 22 DECEMBER 1965 1252 The main thing is whether the other sides are willing to show friendship.

If they are willing to show it, then we are willing to reciprocate that is a highly pragmatic approach.
The Prime Minister also mentioned about having connections with Bel- grade, but he said that merely by having diplomatic relations with communist countries does not mean readjustment in Malaysia's foreign policy.

Having stated this, I should now like to draw attention to what my colleague, Senator Aishah Ghani, mentioned about Taiwan.
She did raise one or two questions, and the way that she put it alarmed me a bit, because she said, "if we are going to have diplomatic relations with Taiwan, what will be the attitude of the Chinese here towards the Nationalist Govern- ment?

", thereby raising almost a doubt as to the attitude of the Chinese; and this was replied to by the Honourable Senator Lim Hee Hong, who has said that the Chinese loyalty to this country is second to none and that it cannot be doubted.
I am only taking this purely from the rational argument point of view.

If that is the argument, then we can take the same argument vis-a-vis the Indians.

We have got the Indian High Commissioner here and he has been here all along.

Are we going to say that it is dangerous to have the Indian High Commission here because there are lots of Indians in this country?
And then can you ask, "What will be the attitude of the Indians towards the Indian Govern- ment or to ......... Che' Aishah binti Ha ji Abdul Ghani : There are no two Indias, but there are two Chinas.

Enche' Athi Nahaapan : She says it only now, but she did not give this point yesterday.

In fact, I am now coming round to the point as to why.

If she had mentioned this point yesterday, then she would have had a stronger point in her favour.
The reason why Malaysia has not recog- nised Taiwan up till now is that there are two Chinas, and Malaysia has at some time or other even though of the possibility or recognising both : if we recognise one, we have to recognise the other, or recognise Taiwan, and the mainland China as China.

However, in view of various other reasons both could not be recognised, but not on the ground that there are Chinese here and if Taiwan comes in here it might upset the Chinese attitude here.
As a matter of fact, hypothetically, I would e^ en say that assuming China had not become communist and China had remained nationalist, there would in fact have been a Chinese embassy here a long time ago.

Because the mainland China went communist and Taiwan remained in the nationalist hands, and there was this problem of having to recognise both or not to recognise any, this problem was simply left in abeyance.
The question that was raised by the Honourable Senator Aishah Ghani, as to what would be the attitude of the Chinese in this country, somewhat impliedly raised a doubt as to their loyalty, and that is why Senator Lim Hee Hong had to answer that.

Of course, as far as Taiwan is concerned, the policy as laid down by the Tunku is this -I quote, "Government's policy is to cultivate the friendship of countries friendly to Malaysia."
If this is the criterion, then I would say Taiwan is friendly to Malaysia, because of the relationship we already have with them, particularly in the field of agriculture, and also to some extent in education, and they have been showing their friendship towards us quite openly, while on the other hand Red China has been trying to crush us.

I do not say this but, it has been said by no less than the Permanent Secretary to the Ministry of External Affairs, Dato' Ghazali Shafie.
He said this while addressing the Ipoh Rotary Club, and he referred to "Red China's urand design" he said that Red China's policy is to encourage hostilities, if possible, between Asian countries, while not involving their forces directly.

"For China's grand design to succeed.

Malaysia had to be crliched" that is what Dato' Ghazali Shafie said.
Not merely Malaysia had 1253 22 DECEMBER 1965 1254 to be crushed, she tried to crush us through Indonesia and she also tried to reduce India to size, because these two countries are now the only remaining true democracies in Asia, and she does not want these two countries to carry on this democratic pattern of society for fear that if they succeed, other Asian countries would emulate, and thereby defeating her own policy of international revolution to establish the communist society throughout the world.
Therefore, Red China is definitely against us.

We know that.

She has not minced her words about it.

She has openly said about it.

On the other hand, Nationalist China has shown us friendship, and is showing us friendship.

So, if our policy is to have friendship with countries who show friendship to us, then it is only logical that we should reciprocate and the opening has been made by hav:ng Nationalist China's Consul here.
I only hope that even- tually we will be able to have diplomatic relations with Nationalist China at the appropriate time.

I think the time has come for us to take bold stands on foreign policies.

While we are forging ahead to have relations with communist countries on matters of principle and self-interest, we should also be quite bold enough to have relations on matters of principle with countries like Nationalist China.
Of course, across the Causeway, they try to have all kinds of juggleries but let us be quite candid in our views, even though at the risk of being misunder- stood at some stage rather: but in the long run an honest foreign policy will be well appreciated.

There is one other point and that is the last.


The Honour- able Dato' Haj i Mohamed Noah in his speech has suggested that it is time for Government to participate in industrial projects, and I am glad that this also has been somewhat echoed by the Honourable Minister of Finance in his speech on page 12, where he says that ........ .

Mr (Deputy) President: How more will you take to finish?

"The Government intends to play a more active role in industrial promotion.
To achieve this, the Government has enlisted the services of a wellknown industrial consultant from the United States to identify specific investment opportunities in Malaysia."

This has been one of my pet theories, and 'I have been advocating it in this forum from time to time, because though we believe in free enterprise, there are a number of basic industries which cannot be convenient'y started off by free enterprise, and if we are going to wait for them, the country will not be able to forge ahead.
Now, the time has come for the Government to start off certain basic types of industries either exclusively by itself or in conjunction with private capital and thereby lay the necessary industrial fabric.

I hope some positive steps would be taken in this direction and even if it is termed "socialism" it does not matter, because we are committed to creating a welfare society.

That is all, sir.

Though I have so many other points to mention but in view of the shortness of time.
I conclude here, and I thank you for giving me this opportunity.

Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: (rises).

chakap ?

Mr (Deputy) President : Berapa lama Ahli Yang Berhormat hendak ber- Nik Hassan : Saya tidak berani ber- janji kerana banyak orang yang berj anj i telah melanggar j anj i ; saya memendekkan chakap saya itu sa- berapa rengkas yang bo'_eh.

Mr (Deputy ) President : Saya beri- lah 15 minit !


Nik Hassan : Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam menyokong chadangan yang di-bawa bagi Anggaran Perbelanjaan bagi tahun 1966 ini, saya memberi uchapan tahniah kapada Menteri Kewangan kita kerana keberanian-nya mengemukakan Anggaran Belanja tahun ini, walau pun dia di-serang oleh long perkara.

Tetapi ini sudah perkara ai2 pehak dalam berbagai berbag biasa.
Apa yang di-buat oleh Kerajaan Enche' Athi Nahappan : Another itu tentu-lah ada tegoran dan pan- five minutes Sir.

He said this : dangan yang di-datangkan daripada 1255 22 DECEMBER 1965 1256 wakil2 ra`ayat.
Ini-lah demokrasi, ma`ana-nya ' satu orang ahli pembang- kang ada berkata Kerajaan hari ini is-lak satu Kerajaan yang telah tidak lagi dapat keperchayaan daripada ahli UMNO sendiri oleh kerana dalam perbahathan2 ini ahli2 pehak Kerajaan pun telah juga memberi bangkangan atau pun tegoran kapada uchapan2 dan dasar2 Kerajaan.
Bagi saya, saya rasa ini-lah demok- rasi yang sehat; siapa yang mewakili ra`ayat dia berhak bersuara apa yang ra`ayat mahu kapada Kerajaan, mahu pun dia pembangkang, mahu pun dia dari ' pehak wakil daripada gulongan Kerajaan; tetapi dia berhak menyuara- kan apa yang di-kehendaki oleh ra`ayat dalam kawasan-nya itu.

Bagi Dewan Negara ini berhak-lah wakil2 daripada Kerajaan2 Negeri itu menyuarakan apa yang di-kehendaki oleh Kerajaan Negeri itu-lah demokrasi.
Tetapi bukan-lah ma`ana-nya kalau bagi pehak ahli Kerajaan menentang atau pun memberi fikiran, memberi pen- dapat-nya, itu menunjokkan sudah tidak ada keperchayaan.

Ini tudohan yang liar dan berat sa-kali.

Kita Kerajaan Perikatan, Kerajaan Pusat ini, tidak sa-bagaimana Kerajaan PAS di-Kelantan.
Saya hendak beri tahu kapada Dewan di-sini semenjak PAS memerentah di-Kelantan, dari- pada tiap2 tahun Meshuarat Budget- nya wakil ra`ayat tidak boleh berchakap membentangkan fikiran dan pendapat dari ra`ayat kampong.

Kerana Menteri Besar-nya menahan wakil2 ra`ayat itu berchakap.

Jadi yang boleh berchakap chuma wakil2 yang bukan mewakili daripada pehak Kera- jaan.

Ini baharu sahaja berlaku dalam supaya wakil ra`ayat berchakap.

Di- Kelantan demokrasi telah mati, telah di-bunoh oleh Kerajaan PAS.
Tidak di- benarkan berchakap dalam Dewan Negeri sa-hingga apabila bangkit satu ahli dalam Dewan Negeri, Menteri Besar tahan tidak mahu bagi dia ber- chakap.

Dia mahu berchakap juga, Menteri Besar bangun berchakap lebeh dahulu daripada wakil yang hendak berchakap.

Ini sama2 pada wakil Kerajaan, jadi ma`ana-nya ra`ayat Kelantan terpaksa bergantong kapada wakil daripada pehak pem- bangkang untok menyampaikan hasrat hati-nya.

Ini belum pernah berlaku dalam mana2 negeri pun dalam Per- sekutuan Malaysia ini.
Di-Perak, di- Trengganu, di-mana negeri kita beri kebebasan wakil ra`ayat boleh ber- suara apa yang dia hendak suarakan, bagitu juga di-Dewan Parlimen kita di-sini.

Jadi bukan berma`ana apabila ki to mengemukakan pendapat kita itu ki to tidak ada keperchayaan kapada Kera- jaan jauh sa-kali !

Ini kita sa-bagai wakil Ra`ayat yang di-pileh oleh ra`ayat, kita mahu bentangkan apa yang ra`ayat mahu dalam kawasan kita.

Itu tidak salah, tidak salah pada `adat demokrasi.


Itu point yang soya hendak terangkan pada Dewan ini supaya semua orang tahu demokrasi sudah mati di-Kelantan.

Perkara yang kedua saya menyokong kata pehak Pembangkang tadi, Kera- jaan hari ini patut segera menubohkan `Surohanjaya Bebas' untok menyiasat rasuah kerana kata-nya apabila jadi macham case Rahman Talib, jadi panjang cherita.

Kalau Surohanjaya Bebas pendek cherita, ra`ayat boleh Dewan Negeri yang bersidang baharu2 tahu ha!.
Saya sokong, dan Surohan- ini dalam Budget tahun ini juga.

Tiap2 jaya Bebas yang paling utama yang wakil daripada pehak Kerajaan yang natut di-dirikan is-lah untok menyiasat bangkit hendak berchakap di-beri Kerajaan Kelantan hari ini (Ketawa).

arahan supaya dudok jangan ber- Dato' Yang di-Pertua, dalam Odit chakap.

Tiada siapa pun wakil ra`ayat Report tahun 1964, satu bab yang dalam Kelantan yang boleh berchakap.

Ini menunjokkan demokrasi mati di- Kelantan, di-bawah Kerajaan PAS.
Kita tidak mahu Kerajaan Perseku tuan yang bagini besar mematikan demokrasi, kita mahu hidupkan de- mokrasi.

Kita mahu beri kebebasan di-sebut oleh Auditor-General ....... Wan Mnstapha bin Hai Wan Ali: Kalau tdak tersilao, di-bawah per- atoran Meshuarat 35, sa-orang Ahli hendak-lah menghadkan perchakapan- nya kapada perkara2 yang di-binchang- kan dan tidak bo'_eh mengeluarkan 1257 22 DECEMBER 1965 1258 apa2 perkara yang tidak berkait.
Saya, pada pendapatan saya, perkara ini tidak pun berkait dengan wakil ra`ayat di-Kelantan itu boleh berchakap atau tidak boleh berchakap itu bukan menjadi bahathan, dan jika wakil ra`ayat ta' boleh berchakap itu barangkali Ahli Perikatan sendiri barangkali tidak mengikut atoran Standing Order yang di-tahan oleh Menteri Besar tidak di-benarkan berchakap.
Nik Hassan : Dato' Yang di-Pertua, Ahli itu silap sadikit, saya suka terangkan .......... Mr (Deputy) President : Saya fikir di-bawah Supply Bill dia boleh ber- chakap.

Nik Hassan : Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya menyokong di-atas apa yang di- chakapkan oleh Pembangkang.

Jadi sekarang sa-orang ahli Pembangkang berchakap dia hendak tahan saya berchakap pula dalam masaalah itu juga, jadi tidak `adil-lah.

Itu tidak ada demokrasi.


Jadi chara tidak ada demokrasi di-Kelantan, jangan bawa ka-dalam Dewan Negara ini.

Dato' Yang di-Pertua, says sokong........ Mr (Deputy) President : Yang Ber- hormat, tujuan dia jangan-lah berchakap berbalek2 sa-mula, satu kali sahaj a sudah-lah.

Nik Hassan: Point yang kedua yang saya suka hendak chakap is-lah berkenaan dengan Surohanjaya Bebas.

Saya kata mustahak Surohanjaya Bebas ini di-tubohkan saya sokong bagaimana wakil tadi hendak tubohkan Surohanjaya Bebas saya sokong.
Kerana Surohanjaya Bebas yang pertama patut kita dirikan di-Kelantan, kerana saya suka hendak terangkan is-itu dalam Odit Report yang di- nyatakan oleh Auditor-General sendiri bagi tahun 1964 kata-nya "Kerajaan Kelantan telah menyalah gunakan wang Kerajaan Persekutuan, berjuta2 ringgit dengan mengambilkan wang itu dan di-masokkan dalam Bank untok faedah mengambil bunga dari- pada Bank itu untok pergunaan Kerajaan Negeri-nya yang mana menyalahi pada peratoran dan Per- lembagaan Persekutuan".
mi jelas satu kesalahan mengikut segi Perlembagaan Persekutuan.

Dan ada beberapa bab dalam penyata Auditor-General itu berkata "Wang2 Kerajaan telah di-belanjakan dengan tidak mengikut atoran dan peratoran Financial General Order".

Yang mana orang yang tidak menjadi pegawai Kerajaan telah membelanjakan wang Kerajaan, dengan tidak mengikut peratoran Financial General Order ia- itu pegawai yang bukan pegawai Kera- jaan membelanjakan wang Kerajaan.
Jadi ini, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, satu kesalahan yang mana saya fikir merugikan.

Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: On a point or order ....... Nik Hassan: Saya ta' beri jalan kerana saya takut ta' ada masa saya hendak berchakap.

Wan Mustapha: Dato' Yang di- Pertua, j ikalau sa-orang ahli bangkit di-bawah point of order terpaksa dia dudok.

bagi jalan.
bagi jalan.

Mr (Deputy) President : Dia tidak Wan Mustapha : Saya minta di-sini pehak Pembangkang hendak berchakap on a point of order terpaksa dia kena dudok dan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mesti dengar apa dia the point of order itu.

Nik Hassan : Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak sambongkan masa pendek mi.

Wan Mustapha : Tentang ber- chakap on a point of order.
Nik Hassan : Jadi maksud saya itu Surohanjaya Bebas itu is-lah supaya dapat kita menyiasat apa yang sa-benar berlaku di-sabalek pergunaan wang2 Kerajaan dengan chara tidak benar dan tidak mengikut peratoran ini, supaya tidak-lah Kerajaan Persekutuan ini menanggong segala kesusahan yang memberikan grant kapada State.

Saya tidak nampak pada Perlembagaan kita.

hari mi.
hari mi.

Pagi tadi saya chuba mem- belek2, menchari2kan di-bawah fasal mana dalam Perlembagaan yang boleh Kerajaan Persekutuan mengambil tindakan manakala satu2 negeri menya- lah-gunakan wang Kerajaan Perseku- tuan yang di-jalankan dalam negeri itu.
1259 22 DECEMBER 1965 1260 Jadi itu-lah sebab-nya pada saya tidak payah saya kemukakan banyak Perlembagaan negeri kita hari ini patut itu class-room lecture, macham Com- di-pinda supaya Kerajaan Pusat mem- monwealth History, berkenaan dengan punyai kuasa yang tertentu untok Commonwealth.

mengambil apa2 tindakan di-atas mana2 Kerajaan yang menyalah-gunakan wang Kerajaan dengan tidak mengikut chara peratoran dan Perlembagaan.

Tetapi, bagi pendapat saya, saya suka hendak kemukakan satu perkara.
Dalam surat khabar Straits Times hari ini, ada keluar berkenaan dengan per- Dalam Perlembagaan kita hari ini binchangan di-House of Commons chuma di-adakan fasal2 untok mem- di-England berkenaan dengan Malay- berikan grant kapada Negeri sahaja, sia kita mi.

Ada satu daripada Ahli umpama road grant dan berbagai2 Buroh, is-itu Ahli Parti Kerajaan ada grant.
Tetapi kalau sa-kira-nya road sebut di-sini, dia kata, ada baik-nya grant itu tidak di-gunakan untok membena jalan, untok membaiki jalan, di-gunakan wang itu untok perkara lain, umpama-nya, apa-kah tindakan Kerajaan British ini berunding ini berunding terus umpama-nya untok menarek balek pertahanan di-Malaysia ini, dan mengadakan satu pungutan yang Kerajaan Persek u tuan boleh suara yang baharu di-Borneo, di- ambil, Kerajaan Pusat boleh ambil?
Saya tengok dalam Perlembagaan itu tidak ada satu kuasa yang boleh Kera- jaan Pusat ini menahan wang itu di- berikan kapada Kerajaan Negeri meng- ikut Perlembagaan yang ada ini .

Jadi ini-lah satu perkara yang besar, satu perkara yang mustahak yang patut kita tarekkan perhatian Kerajaan Pusat supaya mengambil tindakan yang segera di-atas Kerajaan yang menya- lah-gunakan wang2 Kerajaan mi.
Jadi, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, bagai- mana Ahli Yang Berhormat mem- bangkang, itu berchakap chuma dia kata corruption itu supaya di-boat Surohanjaya untok menyiasat corrup- tion yang di-lakukan oleh orang.

Tetapi kalau corruption itu di-lakukan oleh satu Kerajaan, apa hal?

Jadi ini lebeh besar daripada corruption yang di-lakukan oleh satu manusia.

Jadi, corruption yang di-lakukan oleh situ Kerajaan lebeh besar daripada yang di-lakukan oleh satu manusia.
Jadi, ini lebeh besar patut di-ambil tinda- kan, di-ambil perhatian yang berat oleh pehak Kerajaan Pusat.

Buku lain, saya rasa tidak banyak apa yang di-kemukakan_ oleh Pemban- kang tadi, kerana semua-nya umum sahaja.

Dan banyak lecture2 macham kelas lecture sahaja macham bagi lecture pada budak2 sekolah berkenaan dengan Commonwealth History umpa- ma-nya, berkenaan dengan geography Sarawak dan Sabah.

Ini satu orang daripada wakil Parti Buroh, is-itu Parti Kerajaan yang berchakap dalam perbinchangan mi.
Saya rasa, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, sampai-lah masa-nya bagi kita, Kera- jaan Malaysia ini, memberi tahu kapada Kerajaan British, Kerajaan Inggeris ini, berhenti-lah daripada champor-tangan dalam hal negeri kita.

Itu lebeh baik.

Kalau mereka itu mahu champor-tangan j uga, lebeh baik kita beri tahu, angkatkan semua apa yang ada pada Kerajaan British dalam per- tahanan ini, keluarkan daripada negeri kita.

Tidak payah kita gunakan pertahanan British lagi.


Lebeh baik kita chari kawan yang lebeh baik, yang lebeh hormat kapada kita, yang lebeh jujor pada kita daripada Kerajaan British hari ini.

Ini, kita berunding, kita berkira, semua British .

champor- tangan.

Dia-lah yang menjadikan satu alat yang mengkhianati apa2 perkara yang berlaku di-Asia ini.
Dia-lah yang merosakkan, yang mengganggu, yang mengkhianati perkara2 dasar luar kita, apa perhubongan kita ini dia-lah merosakkan kita, yang memberikan gambaran sa-olah2 kita ini maseh di-bawah penj aj ah lagi.

Jadi, saya rasa patut-lah kita beri tahu pada British, beri tahu-lah kapada Kerajaan Inggeris, supaya Kerajaan Inggeris beri tahu-lah pada anggota2 Kerajaan-nya yang Malaysia ini sudah umpama-nya, itu lecture sa-chara merdeka tidak dudok di-bawah Bri- macham class-room lecture-lah.

Jadi, tish lagi.
Jadi, tish lagi.

Kalau dia mahu sifatkan kita 1261 22 DECEMBER 1965 1 262 jaan beri tahu chepat supaya jangan MARA-nya dan badan2 yang di-fikir- dudok di-bawah penjajahan dia lagi, kaiau dia fikirkan !wa ini anak jajahan lagi, iebeh baik keluarkan-lah apa yang aua, yang di-punyal o°eh kuasa2 per- tahanan yang ada pada British itu, baik-lah angkat ka4uar daripada Malaysia ini.

Kita chari kawan yang lebeh baik, yang lebeh jujor dengan kita, yang lebeh suka menolong kita dengaan ikhlas.
Ini-lah saya hendak minta dalam perkara hal luar negeri ini satu-lah.

Kerana kita sudah Malaysia Sarawak dan Sabah ini sudah jadi Malaysia.

Perkara meng- ambil suara itu tidak bangkit lagi.

Tidak payah di-bangkitkan dalam Dewan di-England, dalam mana pun, tidak payah di-bangkitkan lagi.

Tid^k jadi masaalah besar, tidak jadi lagi masaa'ah apa yang di-binchangkan itu tidak jadi masaalah lagi.

Itu ter- diri pada kita.

Kita tidak mahu negara lain menchabul hake kebebasan asasi kita ra`ayat di-sini.
Baik-lah Kera- terlewat masa-nya.
Sa-lain daripada perkara dasar luar itu, saya chuba hendak tarek perhatian k apada Kementerian Perdagangan dan Perusahaan supaya memikirkan dalam beberapa perkara yang mustahak, ia- itu pada saya, satu perkara yang mustahak is-Iah supaya dapat kita tubohkan satu jawatan-kuasa bersama yang terdiri daripada Kementerian, daripada pehak MARA, daripada pehak Dewan2 Perniagaan yang ada di-Malaysia ini supaya kita joinkan j ad ikan satu, adakan satu j awatan- kuasa yang boleh mengawasi atau membuatkan perhubongan berkenaan dengan modal2 luar yang di-masokkan di-Malaysia ini, untok di-adakan hubongan joint venture dengan bumi- putera yang ada dalam negeri mi.
Sebab apa, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, banyak modal2 luar yang masok dengan tidak di-buat kawalan yang tertentu.

Ini, kadang2 modal luar itu boleh melakukan sa-suatu perkara yang boleh merosakkan ekonomi k ita.

Jadi, daripada kita beri kebebasan yang jaan dan di-salorkan, dan di-galakkan supaya dapat di-satukan dengan modai2 anak negeri, terutama-nya bumiputera, supaya dapat-lah kiiang yang di-bena datam negeri ini bersama2 di-bena dengan modal mar dan juga modal bumiputera.
Keputusan ini telah di-buat dalam Kongres Ekonomi Bumiputera dan telah ada di-situ, chuma terenti kapada Kementerian sahaja untok meiaksana- kan-nya.

Jadi, pada saya, kalau kita hendak letakkan keperchayaan dan segala harapan kapada MARA sahaja untok melaksanakan semangat kesemua 69 keputusan yang ada dalam Kong- res Ekonomi Bumiputera itu, maka itu terlampau banyak sangat bebas yang kita letakkan pada MARA itu.
Jadi, patut-lah Kementerian Perdagangan dan Perusahaan menguasakan sendiri adakan satu daya usaha-nya sendiri, menyatukan dewan2 yang ada dalam Malaysia ini, kesemua Dewan-nya, kan, macham M.I.D.F.L-nya, supaya di-adakan satu jawatan-kuasa yang dapat menerima modal luar yang masok di-sini dan di-salorkan mengikut pada tempat yang baik.
Dengan kita buat bagitu, modal yang dating dari- pada luar itu mempunyai j aminan- jaminan keselamatan modal mereka dan juga jaminan kemajuan dalam perusahaan yang mereka bena itu._ Ini, pada saya sate shot' kapada Kementerian Perdagangan dan Perusa- haan, dan saya minta juga Kementerian ini supaya mengkaji 69 keputusan yang ada dalam Kongres Ekonomi Bumi- putera itu, yang mana salah sa to daripada keputusan yang saya ingat lagi, is-itu Kerajaan hendak-lah mem- ber pertolongan kapada Dewan2 Perniagaan Bumiputera dengan ban- tuan kewangan permulaan untok meng- adakan pegawai yang menjadi setia- usaha yang boleh menjalankan Dewan Perniagaan Bumiputera itu sampai satu masa Dewan itu boleh bergerak sen ctrl.
Jadi_ bant'Tan ini natut-fah di-kaii.

Dan dalam Amruaran Perbelaniaan, terlampau kapada modal luar yang patut-lah ada supaya Dewan Bum i masok ka-sini, kita salorkan supava nutera yann ada di-seluroh Malaysia modal luar yang di-maco"kin di- ini dapat berdiri dengan kaki-nya ta.nah Melayu itu di-jamin o'eh Kera- sendiri pada satu masa nanti.
1263 22 DECEMBER 1965 1264 Hari ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Dewan2 Bumiputera ini tidak dapat bergerak dengan lanchar dan dengan kuat kerana mereka kekurangan wang, mereka kekurangan kaki-tangan dan sa-bagai-nya.

Jadi apa yang mereka harapkan is-lah pertolongan daripada Kerajaan kita untok membenakan mereka mi.

Barangkali Dewan Bumi- putera ini belum ada di-Sabah, belum ada di-Sarawak, belum ada di-bebe- rapa buah negeri dalam Malaysia sendiri.

mi kerana kesusahan kewangan dan sa-bagai-nya.


Jadi dalam 69 keputusan yang telah di-terima oleh Kerajaan kita, oleh Tun Abdul Razak sendiri, di-antara-nya salah satu keputusan itu is-lah Kera- jaan hendak-lah memberi bantuan kewangan supaya Dewan Bumiputera itu dapat berdiri di-atas kaki sendiri dalam satu ketika yang tertentu.

Saya minta-lah, Saya tarek perhatian Kera- jaan, supaya melaksanakan keputusan mi.

Saya minta supaya Kementerian Perdagangan hendak-lah mengkaj i 69 keputusan itu.
Saya tidak mahu jadi apa yang telah kita buat kapada Surohanjaya Tender.

Dato' Yang di-Pertua, satu ketika Saya tidak hendak panjangkan kerana masa-nya sudah singkat jadi memada-lah dengan saya menutup uchapan saya dengan satu point lagi is-itu saya rasa ahli2 saudagar2, orang kaya, dalam Malaysia ini belum chukup lagi memberi khidmat-nya kapada negara Malaysia mi.

Dato' Yang di-Pertua, apa yang kita dengar hari ini desakan hendak meng- adakan Universiti di-Pulau Pinang.
Mahu Kerajaan j uga benakan Univer- siti di-Pulau Pinang.

Semua kita mahu Kerajaan bena.

Itu Kerajaan mahu buat, ini Kerajaan buat.

Bila Kerajaan kenakan chukai, kita marah kapada Kerajaan, ini tidak `adil.

Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya maseh ingat lagi saudagar2 yang membena Nanyang University dengan belanja dan Wang ringgit mereka sendiri.

Kerana kuat-nya kechenderongan mereka dalam perkara pelajaran bagi anak2 mereka, mereka telah membena Nanyang University di-Singapura.
Kenapa tidak boleh ahli bijak pandai, orang hartawan, orang dermawan dan segala foundation yang ada ini-tidak boleh-kah bena satu universiti lain di-Pulau Pinang dengan belanja dari- dahulu satu perkara telah berbangkit pada harta kekayaan yang ada pada berkenaan dengan tidak puas hati-nya ra`ayat kita sendiri, daripada orang orang ramai di-atas tender2 Kerajaan yang ta`at setia kapada negara kita dan Kerajaan telah menubohkan satu sendiri, kenapa kita mahu harap Surohanjaya dan Surohanjaya Tender kapada Kerajaan?
itu menyiasat dan telah memberi laporan yang penoh.

Shore-nya is-lah untok membaiki berkenaan dengan perjalanan tender Kerajaan.

Tetapi samoai hari ini belum-lah ada per- baikan mengikut shor yang ada dalam Surohanjaya Tender itu.

Mengikut Surohanjaya Tender itu, hendak-lah di-adakan pertolongan kapada Bumi- putera dalam perkara kontrek, hendak- lah ada perbaikan kapada susunan Jawatan-kuasa Tender dan sa-bagai- nya.
Dalam Surohanjaya Tender itu ada recommendation-nya, ada shor2- nya, tetapi Kementerian Perdagangan maseh belum melaksanakan shore yang ada dalam Surohanjaya Tender itu.

Jadi elok-lah Kementerian itu meng- ambil kajian yang teliti berkenaan dengan perkara mi.

Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak berjalan jauh tetapi banyak orang berjalan jauh.

Kalau kita pergi ka-Amerika, kita tengok berapa univer- siti yang di-bena dengan harta orang kaya.
Sa-orang mati, dia beri semua harta-nya kapada universiti bagi mem- bena pelajaran anak2 mereka.

Kenapa kita orang kaya di-sini mahu simpan sahaja kekayaan itu, tidak mahu belanjakan untok perkhidmatan.

Kalau hendak derma chari derma yang Tun Razak sendiri terima derma itu.

Kalau hendak derma nanti Tunku Abdul Rahman sendiri yang terima derma itu.

Hendak tunjok gambar dalam news- paper, ini dia si-auyang kaya ini derma kapada Tunku Abdul Rahman sendiri.
Yang seko1ah robek hendak 1265 22 DECEMBER 1965 1266 runtoh itu tidak ada siapa mahu tanya khabar.

Ini perkara beriaku dalam negara kita hari mi.

Saya fikir bagi orang kaya, orang berharta , orang yang ada kekayaan , kalau dia mahu mati pun chepat2 - lah dia derma (Ketawa) kapada universiti yang kita chadang- kan hendak di-bena di-Pulau Pinang ini.

Chepatkan !

Sebab kalau tidak, lambat, susah .

Sekian sahaja terima kaseh.


The Minister of Labour (Enche' V. Manickavasagam): Mr President, Sir, I have a few replies to make here in connection with my Ministry.

The Honourab le Dato ' T. H. Tan mentioned the dispute between the University and the Non-Acadamic Staff.

I know that this dispute is causing some concern to the students of the University, who will be sitting for their examinations sometime next month .
As Honourable Members would appreciate, the em- ployer in this case is the University Council and we are not in a position to dictate terms.

My officers have offered whatever assistance possible and some progress has been made in the negotiations , but certain issues still remain unresolved .
My officers are still endeavouring to bring about an amic- able settlement , but it appears that they have been experiencing some difficulties in obtaining the co-operation of the negotiating team of the Univer- sity Council which, I might point out to this House, includes some leading trade union officials.

I am surprised at the attitude of the negotiating team, and I hope that they would as far as possible avail themselves of the services of my officers to bring about an early settlement of this dispute.
Sir, the Honourable Member Enche' own.

I do not know the truth of this ailegation, but this House may be assured that the Registrar of Trade Union has powers to refuse to register a trade union, which is not in the interest of the workers.

A union sponsored by an employer would definitely be repugnant to the principles enunciated by the I.L.O.

and the free- dom and independence of the trade union movement , and the Registrar, I am sure, would bear this in mind.

Sir, the Honourable Dato' Haji Mohd .


Noah suggested that wage and other inducements should be offered for workers to move to Sabah.

My Ministry has made certain suggestions to the Sabah Government in this regard and also to provide for other facilities to encourage the movement of workers to Sabah .

I hope to finalise these arrangements soon and that we would be able to meet Sabah 's needs for labour as far as possible.
Sir, the Honourable Dato' Shelley and the Honourable Enche' Samad too touched on the question of shortage of labour in Sabah .

Honourable Members would have noted also in the press to-day the complaints of Sabah employers that they are unable to get suitable type of workers from here.

I think, Sir, that the time has come for some cold facts behind this recruit- ment exercise to be stated.
The difficulty at the moment is not as stated by the Sabah employers the inavailability of skilled workmen to go to Sabah but rather, I get the impression that Sabah employers are only half- hearted about recruiting labour from here .

They do not want to break the established pattern of recruitment of cheap labour from out- Saidon bin Kechut raised the problem side the States of Malaysia.

Let me of union recognition in Securicor.


As Honourable Members would know, an agreement had been reached on the various issues which resulted in a strike.

The procedure agreed to for settling the question of union recognition is now being implemented, and it is hoped to finalise this question in the next few days.

The Honourable Mem- ber suggested that the employer in this case was promoting a union of his give you some of the figures.
In March this year, a group of building contrac- tors from Sandakan arrived here on a recruitment mission .

A number of workers were recruited, but it took more than 8 months before the arrange- ments to transport these workers to Sabah were finalised.

Our reminders to them , both by cable and by letter, to expedite these arrangements apparently went unheeded .
It is not surprising, 1267 22 DECEMBER 1965 1268 therefore, that when these transport arrangements were finalised in Novem- ber, some of the workers recruited became tired of waiting and withdraw from their agreement to work in Sabah.

Sir, let me quote another example.

A group of representatives from Sabah Association of Contractors arrived here in October this year on another recruitment mission.
Over a hundred workers were interviewed, but even to this day we have not been told how many of them have been selected and what their transport arrangements are to date.

Here again our cables and our letters, and the persuasion of the Commissioner of Labour, Sabah, do not seem to have succeeded in getting these people to make up their mind:.

I would not blame the workers inter- viewed, if they turn down any offer of employment at this stage.
What is needed in this exercise is prompt action, from those who come here to recruit labour, in determining who they want to select and how they want to send them across to Sabah.

Sir, my Ministry has always and will always offer all necessary assistance to expedite these arrangements.

The group of workers who went to Sabah in November this year, probably, would not have gone even this month if my officers had not taken the keenest interest in the matter.
I appreciate that there are a number of difficulties at the moment in recruiting workers from here for work in Sabah.

These difficul- ties can be overcome, and.

measures are now being worked out in this regard, but more important than this is the necessity for employers in Sabah to desire whole heartedly to obtain workers from here and not still hang on to their old patterns of recruitment.
The recruitment of workers from here for work in Sabah would go a long way in solving Sabah's labour shortage nroblem which is, I understand, causing inflationary tendencies in their building industry.

It would also help to ease our unemployment here to some extent.
Sir, along with the measures that we are now taking to work out smoother arrangements for migration of workers to Sabah, I am instructing the Employ- men t Exchanges throughout the States of Malaya to fix a board in their offices with the slogan, ``Go East Young men".

I am thankful to the Honourable Dab' T. H. Tan for this suggestion of his.
Sir, 1 can assure this House and the Sabah employers that, if a genuine effort is made to obtain workers from here and such workers are not forthcoming in sufficient num- bers, I will not stand in their way of obtaining the required number of workers from outside Malaysia.

I am not prepared, however, to agree to the recruitment of workers from outside Malaysia where employers from Sabah make no genuine effort as is obvious from the two examples that I have quoted earlier.

Thank you, Sir.
Thank you, Sir.

The Minister of Transport (Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya chuma hendak mengambil waktu yang singkat sahaja menjelaskan terhadap uchapan Yang Berhormat Enche' Amaluddin ber- kenaan dengan Tanjong Perak.

Saya fikir semua orang suka hendak guna- kan Tanjong Perak ini, minta ma`af Tun Perak.
Yang sa-benar-nya saya sendiri telah memberi pengakuan nama Tun Perak ini akan di-pertimbangkan tetapi bukan saya mengaku telah terima yang pelabohan baharu di-Port Swettenham apabila di-sudahkan di- namakan Tun Perak.

Jadi saya tak hendak di-tudoh memungkir janji walau pun saya telah rundingkan; kerana seluroh dunia telah terkenal pelabohan yang ada sekarang ini Port Swettenham dan pelabohan yang baharu sekarang ini is-lah sa-bahagian daripada pelabohan Port Swettenham.
Jadi kalau kita hendak mengenangkan nama yang baharu jadi dari segala per- hubongan international kita akan rugi dan daripada perdagangan dan forme yang sudah ada semua sa-kali ini hendak di-pinda.

Jadi oleh kerana itu daripada pehak2 yang berkenaan semua sa-kali di-persetujukan supaya nama yang lama itu di-pakai juga chuma in i sa-bahagian nama baharu dari nada Port Swettenham.

Tentang kenala keretapi, di-tukarkan nama Tun Perak itu memang dengan persetujuan Pengurus Besar.
Kepala2 1269 22 DECEMBER 1965 1270 keretapi ini ada nama2 pahlawan, tetapi bukan fasal kepala keretapi itu boleh di-bandingkan dengan pahla Evan, tetapi mengenang jasa2 baik.

Dan saya perchaya kepala keretapi ini : boleh menarek banyak juga gerabak, kalau pahlawan itu sa-orang handal melawan beratus2 orang barangkali kepala keretapi itu sa-buah boleh menarek juga sampai 60, 70 gerabak juga.
Saya fikir sesuai juga-lah menge- nangkan nama2 baik, jadi itu sahaja- lah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya minta-lah supaya di-jelaskan benda mi.

Saya tidak berjanji nama itu mesti-lah nama Tun Perak tetapi saya berjanji menimbangkan.

Dan kalau sudah di-timbangkan tidak sesuai jadi terpaksa-lah kita gunakan nama Tun Perak dengan nama keretapi, kepala keretapi, terima kaseh.

Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Ker- jasama (Tuan Hai Mohd.
Ghazali bin Hail Jawi: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ahli Yang Berhormat Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Ahmad telah menegor berkenaan dengan.

Kilang Gula di-Pr.ai yang sa-mata2 bergantong kapada gala yang di-bawa daripada luar negeri dan bertanya sama ada pehak Kerajaan rnempunyal ranchangan bagi mena- nam gu'a dengan chara besaran dan di-mana-kah akan dapat beneh2 ata.u pun anak2 pokok gula yang hendak di-tanam.
Satu penyata yang telah di-buat oleh Australian Colombo Plan Sugar Cane Expert, telah pun di-serahkan kapada Kerajaan dan sekarang ini sedang di- dalam timbangan satu jawatan-kuasa pegawai2 yang terdiri daripada.

pegawai Kementerian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama, Pegawai Kementerian Per- dagangan dan Perusahaan dan juga Pesurohjaya Tanah dan Lombong.

Manakala penyata ini di-semak dan di-serahkan kapada Kerajaan, Kerajaan akan menimbangkan dan membuat keputusan.
Berkenaan dengan pokok2 tebu yang akan, di-tanam itu kelak, maka perkara ini tidak-lah menjadi susah kerana sa- hingga hari ini pehak Jabatan, Pertanian telah , pun membawa masok lebeh kurang 40, jenis tebn, ka-dalam negeri ini daripada Australia, Amerika, Taiwan dan Republik Arab Bersatu: Dan tebu2 ini telah di-tanam di-tempat perchubaan di-Serdang dan juga di- tanam di-Bukit Temiang Agriculture Station di-Perlis untok menchuba sama ada tebu2 ini sesuai bagi di-tanam di- awasan mi.
Ahli Yang Berhormat, Tuan Haji Ahmad, telah meminta supaya Kilang Kertas di-Kepala Batas itu di-dirikan.

dengan segera-nya.

Perkara ini pehak Kerajaan telah pun bersetuju yang Kilang Kertas itu di-dirikan oleh Sharikat Kerjasama Kilang Kertas dan pehak Kementerian Perdagangan dan Perusahaan telah di-minta supaya ber- ikhtiar mengadakan possibility report berkenaan dengan ranchangan ini dan perkara itu sedang di-uruskan oleh Kementerian itu dan manakala selesai perkara itu akan dapat di-laksanakan.
Dengan sebab ranchangan membena Kilang Kertas itu akan di-bantu oleh Kerajaan, maka terpaksa-lah peliak Kerajaan menjalankan penyiasatan-nya supaya is berpuas hati sa-belum dari- pada melancharkan ranchangan yang memakan belanja yang besar ini.

Ahli Yang Berhormat itu juga telah meminta supaya pehak Kerajaan member bantuan kapada Sharikat Kerjasama Bertam Estate untok membeli atau pun menghabiskan pembayaran berkenaan dengan Bertam Estate ini.
Perkara ini, saya perchaya, Ahli itu sendiri sedia ma`alum pehak Jabatan Sharikat Kerjasama dan juga Kerajaan Negeri Pulau Pinang telah pun menj alankan penyiasatan dengan teliti-nya berkenaan dengan ini dan satu ranchangan telah pun di-sediakan.

Anggaran Perbelanjaan telah pun di- buat dan perkara ini telah pun di-sampaikan kapada Perbendaharaan untok timbangan Perbendaharaan.
Manakala Perbendaharaan membuat timbangan itu saya akan berhubong terus dengan pehak yang berkuasa Sharikat Kerjasama Bertam Estate.
Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Sabah, Dato' Pengiran Mohamed Digadong Galnam, telah meminta supaya pehak Kerajaan, khas-nya saya sendiri; menchari jalan dan ikhtiar bagaimana meninggikan taraf hidup 127 1 22 DECEMBER 1965 1272 ra`iyat petani2 dan juga nelayan2 yang ada di-Sabah dan dengan itu meminta supaya Sharikat2 Kerjasama di-Sabah di-perbaiki; Saya suka-Iah menerang- kan kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat itu saya sendiri dengan semua Ketua2 Jabatan di-bawah Kementerian saya telah pun mengadakan lawatan ka- Sarawak dan Sabah pada akhir tahun sudah dan di-dalam lawatan itu banyak-lah perkara yang kami dapat pelajari, yang kami dapat runclingkan dengan pehak yang berkua sa Keraj aan Negeri Sabah dan pegawai2 Kerajaan yang ada di-Sabah.
Hasil daripada itu berhubong dengan Sharikat Kerjasama, saya sendiri telah pun mernrhantar sa- orang pegawai yang di-sfatkan kanan dar dada.

Jabatan Kemajuan Kerjasama ka-Sabah sa-bagai Pegawai Perhu- bongan di-antara dari saya sendiri dengan pegawai2 di-Sabah bai mem- perbaaki keadaan Sharikat2 Kerjasama di-Sabah.
Sa-bagaimana tuan2 atau pun Ahli2 Dewan ini sedaa ma`aium is-itu ber- kenaan dengan pegawai2 di-Sabah kita t:dak dapat memenohkan tempat2 sa-kira-nya ada kosong sa-kali pun dengan pegawai2 yang ada di-Malaya atau pun di-sabelah Malaysia Barat dengan sebab ada-nya I.

D .

C. Renort dan report itu dan report mi.


Jadi dengan sebab itu apa yang dapat saya buat is-lah menrhantar sa-orang peawai yang kanan, sa.-barai wakil diri sava is-'tu sa-baGai Lason Officer dan beFau akan menjalankan siasatan, memberi nas'hat kapada pegawai yang ada di-Sabah untok menjalankan Pergerakan Sharikat Kerjasama di- sana.
Ahli Yang Berhormat itu juga meminta supaya beneh2 yang bask, beneh padi, kelapa saw:t dan lane di-bantu atau di-hantar ka-Sabah dan Ahli itu juga meminta supaya latehan di-beri kapada petani2 di-Sabah bagai- mana yang di-beri.
Berkenaan dengan beneh ini, pehak Kementerian saya atau pun pehak Jabatan Pertanian di-Malaysia Barat, sent^asa ingn menolong ra `ayat2 yang ada di-Sabah sa-kira-nya mereka mustahak kapada beneh2 itu dan Maktab2 atau pun Sekolah2 kita yang ada di-sabelah Malaysia Barat ini sedia menerima penuntut2 yang ada di- Sabah-yang datang daripada Sabah.

Tetapi harus-lah di -ingat satu perkara yang besar is-itu pertan: an ini ia-lah di-bawah kuasaKerajaan Negeri Sabah, bukan di-bawah kuasa Kemen- terian saya.
Chuma apa yang dapat saya buat, memberi nas hat dan ada kala-nya nashat di-terima dan ada kala-nya tidak.

Ahli Yang Berhormat itu juga telah meminta supaya ra`ayat di-Sabah di- lateh di-Maktab Pertan^an di-Serdang.

Maka ini, pehak Kementerian saya akan menjalankan ikhtiar menyelesai- kan masaalah ini atau menolong dalam masaalah ini sa-kira-nya a.da ra`ayat daripada Sarawak atau pun Sabah yang berkelayakan hendak masok Maktab Pertan ian itu .
Tamhah- an kapada itu dalam Ranchanan Malaysia Yang Pertama yang akan datang in, beberapa buah Pusat2 Latehan J Sekolah2 Latehan akan d i- dirikan atau pun di-perkemaskan lagi di-neeri Sabah dan itu akan drat menolong ra`ayat yang ada di-Sabah.

Ahli Yang Berhormat, Enche' Lim Joo Kong, telah meminta supaya haraa padi ada-lah rendah is-itu ada kala- nva di-jual $8.00 dan sunggoh pun ha^-aa padi $16.00 sa-p'kul.
Jadi di- dalaxn masaalah ini, pehak Kemen- terian dan juga pehak Kerajaan memang sedan, ada nerkara2 yang fdak di-' ng'ni berlaku berkenaan dengan pemasaran path ini, sun^oh pun haraa padi yang di-tetan- k a n &eh Kerajaan sa-kuran g2-ny.a $16.00 sa-pikul, di-terima d:-p'ntu k i lang, tetapi ada di-antara petani2 kta, peladang2 k:ta, yang menjualkan padi2 mereka dengan haraa yang rendah is-itu $12.00 atau $13.00 dan ada sa-tengah tempat, mithal-nya, di- Kelantan $10.00 ada berbagai2 ber- laku.
Jadi dengan kesedaran ini pehak Kerajaan telah pun menubohkan Lem- baga Pemasaran Hasil Pertan:an Per- sekutuan dan kta harap Lembaga ini akan dapat menjalankan peranan-nya untok mengadakan pemasaran2 yang sesuai, tetapi dengan sebab Lembaga ini baharu sahaja di-tubohkan lebeh kurang dua tiga bulan yang sudah, 1273 22 DECEMBER 1965 1274 j adi belum dapat berj alan dengan ter- ator, belum dapat menyusunkan masa- alah2 mi.
Jadi dengan sebab itu tidak-lah dapat pada masa ini kita memperbaiki keadaan ini melainkan kita berharapkan kapada orange yang membeli orang tengah dan sa-bagai- nya, supaya bertimbang rasa dan sa bagai-nya.
Jadi walau macham mana sa-kali pun pehak Kementerian saya ada-lah sentiasa berunding dengan Kementerian Perdagangan dan Per- usahaan kerana urusan membeli padi / beras dan sa-bagai-nya ada-lah di- bawah Kementerian Perdagangan da.n Perusahan, bukan di-bawah Kementeri an _ saya, tetapi walau bagaimana pun saya sentiasa berunding dengan mereka untok memberi harga yang berpatutan kapada petani2 dan peladang2 mi.

Terima kaseh.
Terima kaseh.

Enche' Abdul Samad bin Osman: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, fasal petani ini, satu pun tidak di-jawab.

Itu sebab saya katakan Menteri mesti ada di- sini, dia terlupa.

The Assistant Minister of Finance (Dr Ng Kam Poh): Mr President, Sir, as I look around me, I find that I am in the midst of Honourable Senators, who are more or less of the age of my father, or at worse my elder brother.
Mr President, Sir, this is a very sobering thought seeing that I have come to this House to reply to Members, whose wisdom and ex- perience, I am sure, far exceeds mine both in politics as well as in finance and commerce and industry.

We have among us here business tycoons, millionaires, bankers, and experts in various fields, so it is with deep humiliation and respect that I stand up here to give my reply to the various suggestions brought forth by Honour- able Members.
As far as the Ministry of Finance is concerned, there are but a few things to reply to.

Foremost amongst them that is most criticised is the levy of telephone calls.

Honourable Mem- bers had argued that we can obtain as much money by increasing the rentals on telephones.
Even this proposal of increase, I observe, Sir, is not altogether unanimous-one Senator has proposed that telephone rentals should be levied on business telephones alone, and another has suggested that both residential and business telephone rentals .

be increased.

So you see, Sir, there is no unanimity even between Senators over the question of taxation.
The Minister of Finance has said in his speech that criticisms must be constructive, they must yield the same amount of revenue and have the same impact on the economy in general.

He also said that the criticisms and taxations as a whole must be more equitable than that presented by him.

Sir, in all the suggestions put forth so far, they have measured up to only two of the alternatives, i.e.
the yield is, I agree, equal and the taxation easy, if we increase the rental by $10 per month on business telephones alone.

Taxation is easy, but in my opinion, Sir, is ` it equitable?

That is the final criterion.

Sir, a big business house, a big business tycoon, might use the telephone more often than a small businessmen, therein the inequality exists.

This is the first issue.


The second issue, Sir, is made in the speech of the Minister of Finance in which he says that with this 10 cent levy on telephone calls, calls to neighbouring areas say within a range of 16 miles for which one pays 20 or 30 cents per call, can now be made free of trunk call charges.

If Honourable Members would only care to look up the Budget speech of the Honourable Minister, they will note that.

These are the two strong points.


Again, Sir, to quote the speech of the Honourable Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications given in the Dewan Ra`ayat, there were only 107,582 telephones on the 1st of January, 1965, and up to the 30th December, 1965, the number of telephones increased to 114,327.

Sir, out of population of 9.6 million, to be exact, roughly 100,000 or more make use of telephones.

Surely, Sir, this is an indication that only one per cent.
or more of the population of the whole of Malaysia make use of telephones.

So, where does the question of 1275 22 DECEMBER 1965 1276 necessity come to being?

Therefore, various Honourable Members here to Mr President, Sir, surely we are taxing come to see me, then I regret I cannot the "haves" and not taxing the "have- nots".

Those who can afford to use be of value to them.

They are at liberty to see the Minister of Finance telephones come only under the one directly.

per cent.

category.


Mr President, Sir, though we do not shout from the roof-tops that we are socialists, this is practical socialism.

We will now come to the second question, Sir, the question of the two per cent.

turnover tax at source.

A few of the Senators referred again to the turnover tax, that is the tax at source.
They say that it is difficult to imple- ment and that they would prefer taxation on the point of entry, or perhaps after paying Customs levy to pay the tax to the Income Tax Depart- ment-and they prefer in most cases a Customs levy.

Mr President, Sir, I fear that they do not know what they really want.
During the I3udget proposals last year, when the turnover tax was debated in this House it was then a multi-stage tax the various Chambers of Commerce in Malaysia pleaded with the Minister of Finance and asked for a tax at source.

Now that we have given them a tax at source, what then is the complaint?

I have heard a few Senators saying that they do not mind even if the tax is a bit higher, but that it should be a Customs levy.

But, Sir, they have never asked for a Customs levy.
They have only asked, as far as I : can remember and as far as I know, a tax at source and this is, Sir, a tax at source.

A few Senators have said that with a Customs levy, payment would be made easy when goods are imported into this country.

Mr President, Sir, drastic changes have been made to the turn- over tax and it was converted according to the wishes of the various Chambers of Commerce.
If the implementation of the tax at source is bothering the various Chambers of Commerce, I can assure this House that I am always available and I will always be at their service, should they want to come to discuss the implementation of this new tax with me.

Sir, I know that I am only the Assistant Minister of Finance, but if it is below the dignity of the A few Members from Penang have spoken on the Penang free port status.
Some Members from Penang have complained in this House that they want to retain the free port status of Penang.

They say that their ancestors have lived in the free port of Penang and they are living in the port of Penang, and they hope that their children, too, will live in the free port of Penang.

Mr President, Sir, I have no knowledge whatsoever of any Government move to deprive Penang of its free port.
But, as stated by the Honourable Senator Dato' Shelley, whether the free port of Penang will be an asset, or a liability, depends on things to come.

You can still have a free port with a Principal Customs area.

Penang can retain its entrepot trade and still join the Federation in the common Customs union in other words a common market and at the same time industrialise without being discriminated against.

I agree, Sir, that this is a complex problem.


However, the Government had given Penang an assurance that they would send a team of experts from the World Bank to come and assess the economic problems of Penang and formulate, for the consideration of the Central Government and the State Government of Penang, a long-term economic development plan for the whole Qf Penang Island.

But, Penang must remember that it has a growing population and a growing unemploy- ment problem.
Whether the free port of Penang is enough to contain un- employment is in the purview of this team of experts and I will not prejudice the findings of this team of experts from the World Bank.

Some Members from Sarawak have asked for a 300/ rebate in taxation equivalent to a 30% rebate in the income tax.

Mr President, Sir, I know that there is a saying "No taxation without representation" but I have yet to hear of "No taxation without deve- 1277 22 DECEMBER 1965 1278 lopment".
Even then, Sir, we were Council Agreement on tin control.

never stingy with Sarawak.

Although Mr President, Sir, the Government has we did not promise them any money considered this question very, very when they joined Malaysia and this carefully and has thought that joining is in the I.G.C.
Report they have the Tin Council at this juncture, when asked for $300 million, despite the the demand exceeds supply for a con- fact that we have never said that we siderable time to come, is foolish and will give it to them.

Yet, in the First foolhardy.

This is the reason why we Malaysia Plan, we have given them have refused to join the I.T.C.

How- over $400 million to be exact, $441.6 million, Sir (Applause).

This shows the ever, according to today's papers, there is a move by the I.T.C.
to come to generosity of the Central Government terms with Malaysia.

Suffice it for me towards Sarawak.

I do not see how to say, Sir, that the Cabinet is still the Sarawakians, or Sabahans for that considering the matter, and before it matter, who got also $300 million from decides on it, I am not in a position us, should haggle over this small bit to confirm whether there will be a of taxation.

change of attitude.
change of attitude.

Some Members have also brought up the question of taxation of spirits whisky, gin and brandy.

They say that the Honourable Minister of Finance, in the Lower House, has said that a second wife is a pleasure -I agree with him that a second wife is a pleasure and they also say that whisky, gin and brandy are luxuries and pleasures.

Incidentally, Mr President, Sir, I have only one wife (Laughter).
Honourable members may not be aware that out of a bottle of brandy costing roughly $20, approximately $12 goes to taxa- tion, and so you see that luxuries, where alcohol is concerned are already taxed and we have come to a point where the law of diminishing returns applies.
In other words, if we increase the taxation on liquor, it does not necessarily mean that you would get a higher yield, because it becomes so In conclusion, Sir, I would like to say that the Supply Bill together with the Budget speech presented by the Minister of Finance both in the Dewan Ra`ayat and the Dewan Negara has been a momentous one, and I can say without fear or favour that this Budget is one the like of which we will never see again.
I have thought, Sir, that the Senate would be full of praise for this "Painless Budget" as presented by many newspapers but, instead, a few Members should pick on certain small issues to criticise the Government.

Be that as it may, Mr President, Sir, I commend to this House, what the late President of the United States of America, John F. Kennedy said and in his inaugural speech and I quote.

"Think not what the country can do for you but what you can do for your country".
Sir, at this stage, when we expensive to drink brandy, whisky, or are facing a foe ten times our size, gin, that people will resort to illicit samsu.

Some Members spoke about tax evasion and tax avoidance.

This all boils down, Mr President, Sir, to tax evasion.
The Government is planning a full-scale war, as we have read in the newspapers, against tax evasion, and we are recruiting expert officers, both locally and overseas, so as to we should think not in terms of our- selves but in terms of helping and finding various ways and means to raise money to help the nation.

Thank you Sir.

(Applause).


The Minister of Local Government and Housing (Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh): Mr President, Sir, I wish to reply to two points raised by the Honourable Senator Enche' Chan Keong lion in revent persons in this very lucrative connection with my Ministry.

business from making a living.

This I can assure the House.

Now, I come to tin.


Certain Mem- bers ` have castigated the Government for not signing the International Tin First, he asked whether low-cost fiats are being allocated to occupants squatters' huts and whether we should confine to this and not extend the allocation to the owners.

This is, in 1279 22 DECEMBER 1965 1 280 fact, done in practice.
Sir, it is also a coming into operation of the National condition that the squatters' huts are Land Code on the 1st January next demolished after the tenant occupiers have moved into the flats or the low- cost houses.

The next point raised by the Honourable Senator is that many private developers want to build low- cost flats and houses, but many have found it dflicult in evicting squatters on their land and that the Government should help and give whatever ass's- tance to these developers.
The clearance of squatters is strictly a matter for the land-owners.

Never- theless, because of the serious souafter problems and slum clearance problems, particularly in urban areas, such as the Mun:cinal:ty of Kuala Lumpur, I have, in fact, a few months ago, appointed a special Committee to study the whole question of squatters clearance and slum clearance.
One of the points that I have asked the Committee to look into is the question of clearance of sauatters not only on Government land but also on private Committee to look into and to submit recommendations to me as to whether it is possible to come to some sort of arrangements, whereby private owners will surrender a part of their land filled with souatters to the Govern- ment, so that low-coot housing, ^^art'cularly malt storev flats, can be built on such land and the nonort'on of land to be surrendered will be such as to be sufhc'ent for the removal of those swatters from any particular piece of land.
Therefore, Sir, this matter is being looked into, and the Government is not only look'n into the auest'on of the removal of squatters in Government land but also in private land.

year.

I mentioned that under the Land Code there are provisions to control sub-division of land.

As from 1st January, 1966 , gone will be the days when landowners can indiscriminately, without the approval of the Govern- ment, sub-divide or fragment their land.

There fore, I think this is good news for the Honourable Senator.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua , Ah'i Yang Berhormat Senator Datu Pengiran Mohamed Digadong Ga:pam telah meminta supaya saya pergi ka-Sabah untok menasehatkan Keraj aan Negeri di-sana berkenaan dengan pentadbiran tanah dan juga untok melichinkan kerja dalam Jabatan Tanah di-sana.

Kita memang-lah bertujuan hendak hekerjasama dengan tiap2 Kerajaan Negeri dalam Malaysia ini, dalam masaalah pentadbiran negeri, bukan sahaja masaalah tanah , bahkan maca- alah2 yang lain.
Saya berharao akan Banat melawat Sabah , bo'eh jadi dalam bulan dua atau pun bulan tiga tahun Yang Berhormat Senator Nik Hassan ada menyentoh sadikit mengenai Foreign Affairs atau Hal-Ehwal Luar Negeri .

AhIi Yang Berhormat itu teiah membacha satu report dalam Straits Times hari ini, mengenai perbahathan dalam House of Commons di-England.
Saya suka menerangkan di-sini , ia.-itu fah am yang di-ke luarkan &eh sa-orang Ahli Pafimen dalam House of Com- mons itu, bukan -lah merupakan faham Kerajaan British , yang nampak dengan nyata-nya, daripada akhbar ini is-Iah fgham sa-orang bac-hencher Parti Buroh di - sana.

Benar-lah sanerti yang telah di-report dalam surat khabar ini, da meminta supaya kerajaan British memberi tawaran kanada Indonesia land, and I have also asked the yang akan datang.
The Minister of Land 3 and Mines dabu'u , ya`ani percedi^an Keraiaan (Enche' Abdo`-Rahman bin Ya`kub): Mr President, Sir, may I ren'y to a few obvervations raised by Honourable Senators.

First, the Honourable Senator Dorai Raj, I think, urged the Government this afternoon to intro- duce legislation to prevent fragmenta- tion of land.
This morning I gave a press conference in connection with the Brltivh hendak men^rek ba'ek tentera2 mereka darlracla Borneo , dan juga bo'eh jack berjanii suoava nerasaan atau nun kemahuan ra`ayat di-Sarawak dqn di - Sabah itll men enal kema'okan Ma'av^ia di-ii s^-multi.
Ini ada-1' h merupakan faharu n sa-oran wakil blasa sanerti iiwa fah'n 'u n Ahli2 Se- nator yang bukan Menteri dalam 1281 22 DECEMBER 1965 1282 Dewan ini atau pun Ahli2 Yang Ber- visited all the Middle East countries, hormat yang bukan Menteri dalam some Asian countries, and also some Dewan Ra`ayat.

Jadi pendirian kita African countries , and, I found we terang .
Walau pun Kerajaan British received overwhelming support from bersetuju supaya di-adakan petekan sa- mula suara di-Sarawak dan di-Sabah mengenai kemasokan Sarawak dun Sabah ka-dalam Malaysia, Kerajaan Malaysia tidak sa-mesti-nya mengikut keputusan itu, kerana kita ada-lah sa- buah negara yang merdeka dan ber- daulat.
Pendirian kita dalam masaalah ini telah tegas, is-itu Sarawak dan Sabah, sa-bagaimana yang telah di- tentukan oleh Bangsa2 Bersatu, telah pun memileh Malaysia kemasokan Malaysia sa-bagai chara yang lebeh baik sa-kali bagi mereka menchapaikan kemerdekaan.

Jadi, kita tidak akan berganjak daripada pendirian kita, ia- itu tidak-lah boleh kemerdekaan Malaysia itu menjadi perbinchangan untok berunding dalam masaalah konfrantasi.
Mr President, Sir, the Honourable Dato' T. H. Tan raised a number of questions, some of them concerning trade with communist countries.

Our the African and the Middle-East countries for our participation in the Algiers Conference , but their approach this is quite understand- able-was "Let us not talk about it, but if the question of voting comes, then we will come out in support of Malaysia."

Egypt, for example, came out openly in support of our participa- tion in the Algiers Conference.
The Honourable Senator Dato' Haji Mohamed Noah said that he thought it would be prudent to invite private capital investment to develop virgin land.

I would like to inform this Dewan, Mr President, Sir, that several months ago the National Land Coun- cil has relaxed its former decision regarding alienation of land to people of Malaya.

Before this decision in question, land could only be alienated to landless people.
Now, we have relaxed that to the extent that now State Governments can allow com- stand in this connection is clear; we panies to develop estates, and we have will only do so, if it will not prejudice our national interest, and that has heard reports in the newspapers that there have been applications and, in always been our stand.
If the proposal fact, certain State Governments have is considered to be prejudicial to the interest of Malaysia, then we will not have any trade or business with any country in the free world, let alone a already granted large areas of land for developments as estates, either as sugar plantations, as happened in Johore, or as oil palm industry.

communist country.
communist country.

Yang Berhormat Senator Saidon bin I agree with the Honourable Senator Kechut ada menyentoh masaalah Dato' T. H. Tan that the money voted for foreign affairs is not enough.

bahasa kebangsaan.

Ahli Yang Ber- hormat itu berkata ada-kah bahasa Frequently we receive requests from kebangsaan ini akan di-lebor untok overseas missions to get more money menegakkan bahasa Inggeris.
Yang but, Mr President, Sir, as in any other Berhormat itu sendiri, agak-nya dapat provisions in the Estimates, it is really menjawab soalan ini tentu sa-kali.

a question of priority.

We have limited Sa-bagaimana yang telah tertulis dalam resources; we have got to do the best with whatever money we have in the kitty.

I do not agree with him on the question of the attitude of the African nations concerning our admission to the Algiers Conference.
He said that their attitude was rather lukewarm support for our admission .

That is not so, Mr President , Sir.

I, myself, just Perlembagaan, bahasa Melayu men- jadi bahasa kebangsaan dan akan menjadi bahasa rasmi yang tunggal dalam negeri kita mi.

Dan jika Per- lembagaan kata bagitu, maka tidak- lah timbul hujjah Ahli Yang Berhormat itu, is-itu kita akan meleborkan bahasa kebangsaan untok menegakkan bahasa Inggeris.
Tetapi, apa yang kita mesti ingat, before the Conference was to be held, bahasa Inggeris is-lah satu bahasa 1283 22 DECEMBER_ 1965 1284 international yang boleh di -mengerti di-beberapa tempat di-dunia, dan dalam beberapa tahun yang akan datang lagi agak-nya berpuloh tahun, kita mesti mempelajari bahasa ini, kerana pelajaran dalam sains dan lain2 lagi menghendaki kita mengetahui bahasa Inggeris.

Dalam International Forum j uga, kita menghendaki bahasa2 Inggeris atau pun bahasa Pranchis.
Oleh sebab kita di-sini dahulu di- perentah oleh orang Inggeris, maka kita telah mempelajari bahasa Inggeris daripada bahasa Pranchis.

Sa-lain daripada itu, Yang Ber- hormat Senator Saidon juga telah menyentoh dasar luar negeri kita.
Sa-benar-nya Yang Berhormat itu telah membacha daripada Mingguan Malay- sia dalam beberapa masaalah masa- alah putus hubongan diplomatic kita dengan Pakistan, masaalah tarian Israel dalam Talivishen, masaalah barang2 Israel dalam market kita, masaalah Konsul Formosa dan lain2, ada-lah fahaman itu fahaman daripada Mingguan Malaysia.

Dan dia pun telah menerangkan dalam Dewan ini, apa yang dia kata itu is-lah berdasar- kan daripada keterangan2 di-dalam Mingguan Malaysia.
Pendirian Kera- j aan kita mengenai pelawat2 yang suka hendak melawat Israel nyata sunggoh kapada dunia kita tidak mempunyai perhubongan diplomatic dengan Israel.

Kita tidak menggalakkan, memberi kemudahan kapada orange kita hendak pergi ka-Israel.

Kita telah berkali2 menyatakan simpati kita, sokongan kita, terhadap kemahuan atau pun aspiration orange Arab yang mem- punyai tanah dan mempunyai hak di- dalam Israel.
Ahli Yang Berhormat itu juga telah menyentoh alat2 dan kereta2 burok yang di-gunakan dalam Kementerian Penerangan.

Boleh jadi perkara ini berlaku.

Kereta saya pun, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, terpaksa di-hantar ka-garage satu bukan lebeh kurang dua tiga kali sunggoh pun kereta itu tidak burok dan harga-nya selalu di-bangkitkan oleh Dr Tan Chee Khoon di-Dewan Ra`ayat lebeh kurang $13,000.
Saya rasa bukan-lah semua kereta yang di-guna- kan oleh Kementerian Penerangan itu burok, barangkali ada satu dua buah, kita pun tidak tahu, tetapi sentiasa kita ' perbaiki jika kita nampak alat2 itu burok atau pun kereta2 itu burok kita chuba perbaiki.

Ahli Yang Berhormat itu telah menudoh Kementerian ini telah tidak menj alankan tugas-nya dengan chekap dalam masaalah mem- ber penerangan2 kapada orange di-luar bandar dan oleh sebab itu-lah kita telah tewas dalam pilehan raya kechil negeri di-Rahang.
Masaalah belanj a perbicharaan Yang Berhormat Enche' Abdul Rahman Talib dan masaalah penchen bagi Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri telah, menurut Ahli Yang Berhormat itu, tidak di-beri penerangan yang j elas kapada pendudok2 di-dalam negeri mi.

Saya tidak bersetuju dengan pendapat Yang Berhormat itu oleh kerana talivishen kita, radio kita, telah memberi penerangan yang jelas.

Ada sa-gulongan manusia yang dudok di- dalam Malaya ini yang sengaja tidak mahu mendengar penerangan kita.
Kapada mereka itu apa yang hendak kita buat walau pun kita korek telinga mereka itu sampai tahi telinga keluar berbuku2 mereka tidak mahu dengar, mereka tutup telinga langsong.

Jadi kita tidak boleh buat apa2 pun kapada mereka itu.

Mr President, Sir, the Honourable Senator Dato' G. Shelley wanted a more definite assurance to be given by the Government regarding the estab- lishment of a University College at Penang, I think another Honourable Senator also raised the same question.
In reply, on behalf of the Minister of Education, I would like to say that the Ministry regrets that it is not able as yet to give a more categorical answer than the one already given in regard to the establishment of a University College at Penang.

The establishment of such a University College.

or for that matter any institution of higher learning, depends on the manpower need of the country which in turn will determine the courses of studies, dis- cipline, etc., to be provided at such institution.
Honourable Members, how- ever, can rest assured that it is the belief of the Minister of Education, or 1285 22 DECEMBER 1965 1286 rather the Government, that higher education will have to be substantially expanded, in order to meet the need for professional manpower in all its development projects.

On this basis the Ministry's Higher Education Planning Committee is giving the Penang University College project every con- sideration.
Yang Berhormat Senator Enche' Abdul Samad bin Osman telah mem- bangkitkan masaalah Form VI, kelas Sains, patut di-adakan di-Sungai Petani.
Bagi menjawab-nya,, saya suka-lah menerangkan is-itu permohonan ini kita ambil ingatan tetapi pada ketika ini kita dukachita-lah sangat bahawa kita tidak dapat, di-peringkat ini, untok mengadakan Form VI itu saperti yang di-kehendaki oleh Yang Berhormat itu oleh kerana beberapa sebab, satu dari- pada-nya is-lah masaalah guru dan Dato' J. E. S. Crawford : On a point of clarification the details have been passed over.

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Thank you, Sir.


Saya berbatek lagi kapada Yang Berhormat Datu Pengiran Mohamed Digadong Galpam.

Yang Berhormat itu meminta supaya banyak lagi Police2 Station dan juga tempat2 tinggal bagi polis2 di-buat di-Sabah.

Bagi men- jawab-nya saya suka menerangkan Police2 Station itu ada-lah kita buatkan di-mana2 tempat sahaja yang di- kehendaki dengan sharat kita ada chukup wang untok membuat-nya.
Dengan hal yang demikian di-bawah proj ek Malaysia Yang Pertama kita boleh-lah memberi jaminan kapada Yang Berhormat itu is-itu di-mana2 lain2 lagi.

Kita dalam keadaan yang tempat yang di-fikirkan Kerajaan patut ada menghendaki untok menyatukan atau menempatkan di-satu tempat sekolah2 yang tinggi saperti ini di-tempat yang tersebut itu kita memusatkan di-Alor Star supaya kita berjimat chermat dalam masaalah guru dan masaalah pegawai2 yang lain dan juga dalam masaalah perbelanjaan.
The Honourable Senator Dato' J. E. S. Crawford raised the question of the maintenance, or the unkeeping, of school buildings, and also teachers' quarters.

In reply, I would like to say di-adakan police station di-Sabah, kita akan mengadakan police station.

Kita sedar bahawa tempat2 kediaman bagi polis2 rank and file ada-lah kurang di-sana dan Kerajaan pun sedang mengambil tindakan pada masa ini untok mendirikan beberapa buah quarters atau pun rumah tumpangan di-Sabah bagi polis2 itu.
Jikalau polis2 tidak mendapat rumah atau pun quarters, maka dia akan di-beri oleh Kerajaan elaun rumah dan dengan chara itu dapat-lah dia menchari that the Ministry's Maintenance Vote tempat kediaman yang lain.

Sabah for School Buildings and Teachers' saperti juga di-Sarawak, dalam masa- Quarters including those that belong to estate management is of course not inexhaustible.
Failure of the Ministry in the past to respond favourably to some requests from some of the estate managements has been due to shortage of funds and also the need to spend the limited financial provision available on more urgent maintenance projects elsewhere in other parts of the country.

The Honourable Senator Dato' Crawford also offered to supply the details if the Ministry wants them.
I have been asked to say that the Ministry would very much appreciate it, if the details that the Honourable Dato' Crawford is prepared to give could be given to the Ministry.
alah police station ini memang-lah tidak memberi puas hati kita kerana ketika British dahulu polis itu sangat kechil dan masaalah perkembangan memang tidak ada sangat di-jalankan oleh Kerajaan ketika itu bertambah Pula masaalah ketika itu tidak bagitu besar saperti masa ini-dengan tidak ada confrontation dan kominis-nya, tidak bagitu giat saperti masa ini di- Sarawak.
Jadi sekarang oleh sebab banyak perkara masaalah security yang timbul, maka kita menghendaki mem- besarkan lagi polis2 ini di-dalam masa dua tahun yang lepas masa untok perkembangan itu sangat singkat tetapi bagaimana pun dalam Ran- changan Malaysia Yang Pertama kita 1287 22 DECEMBER 1965 1288 akan mengerjakan-nya dengan sa- berapa boleh untok menunaikan kewa- jipan2 kita terhadap negara2 itu.
Yang Berhormat Senator Amaluddin bin Darus telah menerangkan kapada Dewan ini is-itu dia tidak dengan bahawa ada prosecution dalam mah- kamah yang timbul daripada penyiasatan2 yang di-jalankan oleh Director, Anti-Corruption Agency.

Boleh j adi Ahli Yang Berhormat itu tidak membacha sangat akhbar2.

Jika kita bacha kita selalu dapat di-dalam mahkamah ada perbicharaan mengenai korapsi.

Banyak daripada kes2 itu ada- lah timbul daripada penyiasatan oleh Anti-Corruption Agency mi.
Yang Berhormat Senator itu juga berkata bahawa pentadbiran di-dalam Jabatan tersebut tadi tidak memuaskan hati oleh sebab ketua-nya selalu bertukar.

mi tidak-lah betul.

Semenjak Agency itu di-tubohkan chuma ada dua ketua sahaj a .

Yang pertama sa-kali i a -la h Tuan Syed Abdul Rahman yang bekerj a sa-bagai Director-nya sa-lama 3 tahun dan kemudian dalam bulan Mei tahun 1963 telah di-ganti oleh Director yang ada pada masa ini is-itu Tuan Syed Agil Barakbah.
Jika sa- benar-nya berlaku Director2 itu selalu sangat berganti tiap2 tahun atau tiap2 6 bulan, itu betul-lah akan merosakkan pentadbiran Agency itu.

Tetapi yang sa-benar-nya perkara bagitu tidak ada berlaku.

Yang Berhormat Senator Tuan Haji Ahmad (Pulau Pinang) telah melapor- kan is-itu alat2 pelajaran di-kawasan Kepala Batas, Seberang Perai, serba kekurangan.

Guru2 tidak menchukupi di-Sekolah terutama sa-kali guru2 rains.

Tambahan pula alat2 meng- ajar sains kurang dan lain2 lagi.
Bagi menjawab-nya saya suka mene- rangkan kekurangan2 yang di-kemuka- kan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu memang di-akui dan ini berlaku di- seluroh negara kita hasil daripada perkembangan pesat pelajaran yang di-jalankan oleh Kerajaan Perikatan.

Apa yang dapat Kementerian menga- dakan sa-chara permulaan is-lah kemudahan2 asas dan dengan menggu- nakan per capita grant termasok science teaching grant dan sa-bagai-nya maka sekolah2 hares-lah menambah kemudahan2 asas itu.
Berkenaan dengan Form VI pula, murid2 Kepala Batas harus-lah pergi ka-Pulau Pinang, kerana di-sebabkan kekurangan kemu- dahan terutama guru2 berijazah maka darjah2 demikian terpaksa di-putuskan.

Bagaimana pun pehak Kementerian mengambil perhatian atas apa yang di-cheritakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhor- mat itu.

Yang Berhormat itu juga menerang- kan is-itu tidak ada tempat belajar ugama sunggoh pun guru2 ugama di- beri kapada polis.
Pada menjawab-nya penjelasan yang akan saya beri is-lah pada tiap2 satu contingent sa-orang guru ugama ada-lah di-khaskan bagi mengurus segala hal ugama serta juga mengaj ar dasar2 ugama Islam kapada anggota2 pasokan polis yang berugama Islam; biasa-nya pelaj aran ugama itu ada-lah di-jalankan di-surau2 yang di- bena khas dalam tiap2 contingent pasokan polls.
Alat2 keperluan bagi pelajaran ugama di-jalankan mema.ng- lah ada tetapi tentu-lah tidak sa-bagai- mana yang terdapat di-Sekolah2 bawah arahan Kementerian Pelajaran.

Ahli Yang Berhormat itu juga mene- rangkan is-itu di-Pulau Pinang ada polis2 tidak mempunyai rumah dan mereka ini terpaksa menyewa rumah.
Penjelasan yang saya beri is-lah bagi- ni : sa-bagimana yang telah di-katakan oleh Menteri yang berkenaan, ya`ani Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri, pemberian rumah bagi pegawai2 rendah dalam pasokan polis ada-lah di-beri keutamaan dalam ranchangan pem- bangunan polls.

Ahli2 Yang Berhormat tentu lebeh ma`alum bahawa kita tidak dapat membena semua rumah atau quarters yang di-perlukan dengan sa- kali gus.
Di-bawah Ranchangan Pem- bangunan Malaysia Yang Pertama berikut ada-lah ranchangan2 bangunan bagi pegawai rendah dalam pasokan polls yang akan di-jalankan di-Pulau Pinang : Di-Petani Road, 16 kelas G; di-Gelugor, 16 kelas G; di-Jelutong, 1 kelas F, 10 kelas G; di-Telok Bahang, 1 kelas F, 9 kelas G; Dato' Keramat, 1 kelas E Flat, 1 kelas F, 65 kelas G; di-Butterworth pula, phase yang pertama 16 kelas G quarters, bagi phase yang kedua 2 kelas C quarters, 4 kelas E, 3 kelas F, 70 kelas G; 1 berek 22 DECEMBER 1965 1290 1289 mi.
bagi mereka yang tidak mempunyai isteri atau pun bachelor quarters ; dan lain2 lagi yang akan di-jalankan oleh Kementerian Yang Berhormat Senator Enche' Abdul Rahman Ahmad menerangkan is-itu kad yang di-gunakan di-lapangan terbang kita menggunakan letter head Kerajaan Negeri Slngapura .
Sa-benar- nya perkara ini telah di-bangkitkan di- Dewan Ra`ayat dan dalam Estimate bagi Kementerian Hal Ehwal Daam Negeri , kita telah menerangkan dengan jelas-nya is-itu kad yang mempunyai crest Malaysia akan di-keluarkan untok di-gunakan di-lapangan terbang itu.

The Honourable Senator Athi Nahap- pan argued that our education system should have a bias on science rather than arts .

He also said that emphasis should be laid more on applied science rather that on fundamental research.
The Honourable Minister concerned, ]Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari, has already mentioned that it is the Government 's policy to encourage more and more students to study science subjects .

The value of studying science need not be explained here -everybody knows that we want more engineers, we want more doctors, we want more architects, and so forth .

So, we will do our best.


Of course , it is left very much to the students themselves as to whether or not they are inclined towards the science stream or to the arts stream .

If a student prefers to study in the arts stream , we cannot force him to change to the science stream ; but it is our intention to encourage more and more students to go to the _science stream.

Mr President , Sir, I have purposely left right to this very end my reply to the observations by the Honourable Senator Wan Mustapha .
I understand that in the course of the debate on the Supply Bill, he again raised the ques- tion of the MARA Bill.

He chal'enged me to take the matter to the Federal Court and not to ask the Govern- ment to do so.

In fact , he was speaking very irrelevantly .

We have already concluded the MARA Bill a few days ago, if I am not mistaken.

Be that as it may , Mr President, Sir, we cannot really take any challenge by any member of the P.M.I.P.
seriously, They do not mean that this challenge should be taken seriously by us.

To give an example, the P.M.I.P.

Member, Yang Berhormat dari Bachok stood up in the Dewan Ra`ayat and chal- lenged an Alliance Member saying, "Well, let us go to the party to-night and see who can perform the chajtggong better, either you or I can?"

So, the Honourable Member accepted his challenge.


We attended the party, and he was sitting at the same table as I was, together with a few others : after the music started, the Honour- able Member from Bachok was invited, "Come let us do the chanugong".

Do you know what he did?

He just hid himself underneath the table just like, as I have said in the Dewan Ra`ayat, a "kuchinc kurap".

So, that is a clear example that we cannot actually take the challenge of the Honourable Member very seriously.
In any case, his challenge shows, perhaps, his ignorance of the Constitution, which says that you need only go to the Federal Court for interpretation of a Statute in connection with constitu- tional matters.

This is an ordinary interpretation of the MARA Bill.
One does not have to go to the Federal Court, one can go to the ordinary Hich Court; and in any event the Court will not interpret a hypothetical case unfiil a case comes up; until an offence is alleged to have been com- mitted and a person is prosecuted before the Court, you cannot get any court to interpret that law.

Wan Mustapha : (Rises) Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: All right, I will allow you.
Wan Mustapha : The Honourable Minister knows very well that you can take anything to the, High Court for a declaration.

There is no need to wait until such time when something has happened or an offence has been committed.

I think the Minister ...... Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: I think he is ignorant of the law of declaration.

is wrong.

Wan Mustapha : I think the Minister 1291 22 DECEMBER 1965 1292 Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: want to bet.

But when it does not suit Do you still want to speak?
I will him for example, I am sure, he loves give you a chance.

Wan Mustapha : You are wrong in referring to what has happened to the Member of the P.M.I.P.

in the Dewan Ra`ayat about this dancing business and going under the table.

I mean that he is not Wan Mustapha.

This is Wan Mustapha.

(Laughter).

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Does he not belong to the P.M.I.P.?

I should have thought that Members of the P.M.I.P.

always stick together and follow one policy.


Now, it would appear that there is one policy in the Dewan Ra`ayat and one policy in the Dewan Negara.

No wonder, they do not get any support from any other State in Malaysia.

Enche' Wan Mustapha : On a point of clarification.

We are not talking about P.M.I.P.

Party.

We are talking on personality, and you cannot just generalise.

Probably, you have not studied logic.


Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Mr President, Sir, there is such a thing as a party system in our country.

I am glad to hear the explanation by the Honourable Member.

He does not follow the P.M.I.P.

policy.

Be that as it may, as I have said just now, he is very wrong on the question of declaration.

A court will never give a declaration on any hypothetical case.
I will give him $10,000 if he can get a declaration from any court in Malaysia here to interpret Clause 33 of the MARA Bill.

Of course, he will stand up and say, "Oh, no.

We cannot bet", one who threw a challenge.

He said, "I bet a cent.

I am right, and he is wrong."

I accepted.

I^ bet him $100 and he said he is a Muslim and there- fore he cannot bet.

(Applause).

Mr (Deputy) President : Mr Minister, this is not a betting house (Laughter).

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Very good, Sir.


This is the thing that I want to point, out.

When it suits the Honourable Member, he quotes Islamic law which does not allow betting and therefore he does not to have a peg of brandy, if I offer it then he will not quote Islamic law.

He raises many questions in connec- tion with the Police, Mr President, Sir.
Of course, I agree with him that it is not the duty of the Police to decide the guilt or innocence of an accused person, and that it is the duty of the Police to investigate into any complaint that may come before the Police, but the Police must be given a certain amount of discretion as to whether or not the case should go to the court this has been very frequently remarked by judges.
A few months ago, Mr Justice Ong in Penang said that the Police should not bring any case to the court, unless they have got some reliable facts.

Now, here is an Honour- able Member, who says that on every report the Police must take action and go to court.

Well, that is not the practice ... Wan Mustapha: Mr President, Sir, what I was saying was that the Police would not accept the report.

They would not write down the report.


I never said that the Police should take action on the report and go to court: A person went to the Police station to lodge a report, a genuine one in the case where a man lost his wife he i$ from Kelantan and he did not know where his wife had been taken to but the Police said; "Tidak boleh bust apa."
Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, masa telah Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: If he would quote a concrete example and if he were to write to the Minister concerned, we would take action in that connection.

As a learned member of the Bar, he should know the atten- tion of the Attorney General who, under the Constitution, is vested with powers to.

order the.

Police to carry.

out investigation.

But he has not done that, I suppose.


He raised the question of fees to be paid to lawyers assigned to defend because he is a Muslim, but he was the lewat, dengan ini kita berhenti-lah.

1293 22 DECEMBER 1965 1294 murder cases.

He said that, if I remem- ber correctly and I. stand corrected, that he received only $250, and that it was not sufficient for him and per- haps not sufficient for others.

He said, "How can one expect a counsel to work hard receiving only $250.
The sentence sounds rather mercenary, Mr President, Sir, and I leave my remarks at that only.

He also touched on the counting of votes in Malaysia.

He said that the voters were not satisfied with the method of the counting the votes, because the clerks present at the counting of the votes belonged to a particular party.

We are not aware of this, Sir.


All these people are civil servants and if any case of malpractice had happened, surely the Honourable Member should bring it to the attention of the proper authorities and chal- lenged it in court.

We have counting agents everytime votes are counted.

What were his counting agents doing if it was not to see that all the votes were counted properly?
The purpose of having counting agents and polling agents is to see to the proper conduct of elections and also that the votes are properly counted.

He also urged upon the Government to recruit , graduates only as ambas- sadors and not to recruit politicians.
To that I would say that not all graduates will make good ambassadors and there are very good ambassadors, who are not graduates and who have just passed the School Certificate or the Higher School Certificate, but with experience in life and so on, they make _ very, very good ambassadors.
A certificate from a university is neither here nor there as far as diplomacy is concerned, Mr President, Sir, and therefore certainly the Government will not confine recruitment as suggested by the Honourable Member, just to graduates only.

He said that our Ambassador in the United Nations should not be biased.

None of our Ambassadors in the United Nations has been biased.

Mr Ramani's remarks there were quite in accordance with Government's instructions from Kuala Lumpur.
We maintained, right from the beginning, that there' was nothing in Ramani's speech, which could be interpreted to mean that Malaysia was on the side of India on this question of conflict between India and Pakistan.

In regard to Pakistan's attitude and its action in severing diplomatic relations with us, here is a country which was virtually declaring war against India but still having diplomatic relations with India.
With us there was no war, and assuming that Ramani did say some- thing, which they did not like, and for that reason alone they broke off diplomatic relations with us that we cannot understand.

I do not think any Honourable Member in this House can understand.

The Honourable Member also raised this question of Malaya House, I think, in England.

He should have read the Straits Times editoral today which explains the position quite clearly.
Surely, Sir, the principle is that Singapore is now a foreign country, though in the Commonwealth it is a foreign and independent sovereign State.

The primary responsibility of the }Federal Government, the Malaysian Government, is to look after the Malaysian students.

The Malaysian students must be preferred to any other students from any other country in respect of facilities provided in educational institutions.
Singapore Government is doing that in Singapore, not only in respect of students but also in respect of the workers.

All the Malaysian workers have got to get permits.

We do not do that in Malaya here.

We are still more considerate.

Therefore, this is nothing more than doing what is proper and right for our students.

Let us not introduce politics into this sort of things, Mr President, Sir.

He mentioned the British Council.


He has said that in England the British Council accepts students of all nationalities from different countries- I am not sure whether he did stay in one of the British Council residences but I did for a few years.

Well, the whole purpose of the British Council hostels is to cater for overseas students, 1295 22 DECEMBER 1965 1296 especially students from Common- wealth .
countries and, therefore, they will not discriminate between the British students and the non-British students.

Normally they do not accept British students in the British.

Council hostels, because British students can either live in digs, or in flats, or rather in university college hostels and so tional.

Institute of Scientific and Industrial Research and National Stan- dards Institution to provide research facilities for the technological yad- vancement of local industries.
The Ministry concerned will certainly look into details of the Queen's .

award to in- dustry in order _ to consider the in- troduction of a similar award to forth, and therefore the analogy, industry by the Malaysian Govern- according to his own argument just ment.

now, is illogical.

He also said that in Television or Radio, non-Malays were asked to read Malay news and that they could not pronounce the Malay words properly.

He appeared to take exception to that.


I really take my hat off to a few of these non-Malays who have the courage to appear on the T.V., speak on the T.V., and read news on the T.V.

Some of them, their Malay is very much better then the Malay spoken by the Honourable Member, the Senator from Kelantan.

(Some Honour- able Members : Hear!

hear!)

I was reading his speech just now, Mr President, Sir.

Honestly, with due respect, I could not make head or tail of it.

Thank you Mr President, Sir.


The Minister for Welfare Services (Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan): Mr President, Sir, there are one or two other matters raised by Members of this House to which I shall reply.

Mr President, Sir, the Honourable Dato' Haji Mohamed Noah asked if the Government would consider the granting of a royal award to industry along the lines awarded by the United Kingdom Government.
Sir, the Honourable Member will be aware that the Queen's award for industry granted by the United Kingdom Government will be for achievements based on visible exports and recogni- tion of technological achievement in industrial process of products.
I wish to inform the Honourable Member that a Government Committee is at the moment looking into the question of granting export incentives to industry or the export of our products to other countries on a competitive basis and that the Ministry concerned Yang Berhormat Senator Amaluddin bin Darus ada menudoh mengatakan Registering Officers tidak menjalankan kerja2 mereka sa-bagaimana yang di- kehendaki is-itu tentang memasokkan nama2 di-dalam register.
Saya tidak faham-lah sa-kira-nya ada perkara sa- umpama ini berlaku, akan tetapi semua Registering Officers ini telah di-beri arahan supaya mereka menjalankan kerja-nya mengikut sa-bagai chara2 yang telah mengikut peratoran boleh- lah ahli Yang Berhormat itu membuat satu surat kenyataan kapada pehak yang berkenaan dan perkara ini akan di-siasat.

Yang Berhormat Dato' G. Shelley telah menyebut berkenaan dengan perenggan2 yang tertentu di-dalam penyata odit bagi Negeri Sembilan dan Melaka.
Bagi menjawab-nya, saya suka menyatakan bahawa perkara penyata odit ini ada-lah perkara Negeri dan terpulang-lah kapada pentadbiran Negeri yang berkenaan itu mengambil tindakan.
Yang Berhormat Tuan Haji Ahmad telah menchadangkan supaya Tentera Wataniah ini patut di-luaskan lagi supaya dapat kaum2 ibu boleh mengambil bahagian dalam-nya dan saya suka menyatakan di-sini is-itu memang tujuan Kerajaan memperluas- kan daripada satu masa ka-satu masa mengikut kehendak dan keadaan masa dan pada masa sekarang ini pun kaum2 ibu ada-lah di-beri peluang untok masok dalam Tentera Wataniah itu.
Yang Berhormat Enche' Saidon bin Kechut menyatakan kesangsian-nya terhadap ketegasan ranchangan pela- jaran sekarang ini bagi melaksanakan matalamat pelajaran kebangsaan sa- will also be establishing the Interna- bagai mana di-shorkan dalam para- 1297 22 DECEMBER 1965 1.298 graph 12.. Penyata Pelajaran tahun 1956, Yang Berhormat itu.

sa-terus-nya mengatakan bahawa pelaksanaan ran- changan pelajaran sekarang .ini ada-lah menyeieweng daripada mata'amat yang tersebut.
Saya suka menjawab-nya dan menyatakan is-itu Kerajaan ada-lah sentiasa berpandu kapada mataamat yang di-nyatakan dalam paragraph 12 Penyata Pela°jaran 1956 dan kemudian di-sahkan oleh Jawatan-kuasa Penye- mak pela j aran tahun 1964, tetap walau pun .
ada hasrat Kerajaan melaksanakan-nya dengan segera, maka di-sebabkan oleh besar-,nya masaalah itu bukan sahaja dari segi merombak dan menyesuaikan dasar dan susunan pelajaran yang di-warisl daripada pentadbiran sa-belum mer- deka, tetapi juga besar-nya membena satu susunan pelajaran kebangsaan yang lengkap menerusi Bahasa :kebang- saan daripada permulaan al'f lagi dan ada-nya pula pertentangan fa.ham Bill accordingly read the third time and passed.
Mr (Deputy) President : The sitting is suspended for twenty minutes.

Sitting suspended at 5.25 p.m.

Sitting resumed at 5.50 p.m. (Mr President in the Chair) THE PREVENTION QE CRIME (AMENDMENT) BILL Second • Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill int:tuled "an Act to amend the Prevention of Crime Ordinance, 1959" be read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, I beg to second the motion.
Data' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, Section 15 of the Prevention of Crime di-kalangan masharakat yang harus di- Ordinance, 1959 empowers the Minis- sesuaikan, maka tidak-Iah dapat pe'akranaan matalamat itu di-jalankan, terpaksa-Iah lambat dan perlahan2.

Ini tidak-lah berma`ana Kerajaan telah lupa bahkan sava boleh memberi akuan di-sini bahawa Kerajaan, sa- bagaimana telah di-nyatakan.
beberana kali di-masa yang sudah2, tidak Akan berganlak daripada ma&amat ter, who may by order direct that any person registered under Section 12 (2) be subject to Police supervision for any period not exceedgng five years and such registered person shall be subject to certain restrictions as the Minister may decide : for example, his move- ments be confined to a certain Mukim or district.
However, there is no pelaj gran kebang'aan sa-baaimana provision in this Ordinance that t°~maktub da1.am naragraph 12 Penyata, P&ajaran tahun 1956.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sekan-Iah sahaja untok irenjawab pertanyaan2 yang di-kemukakan oleh ahl'2 yang Berhormat di-Dewan mi.

Sa-kira-nva ada apa2 kefn galan boleti-lah Ahli2 Yang Berhormat itu tujukan dengan chara bersurat kapada Menteri2 yang berkenaan.

Question put, and agreed to.

B11 accordingly read a second time.


Third Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that the Supply Bill, 1966 be read the third time and passed.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.

authorises the Police to escort the restrictees to the place of restriction.
An instance has occurred recently whereby a restrietee, upon his release from custody, failed to turn up at his place of restriction and, when ques- tioned as to the reason, he stated that he had not the money to do so.

To prevent this, it is thought that in all cases where police supervision orders are issued , the Police must, as a matter of routine, escort the restrictee to his place of restriction.
The law as it stands at present does not allow the Police to escort a registered person to his place of restriction.

In order to authorise the police to do so, the Prevention of Crime Ordinance, 1959 has to be amended, and this ff11 to amend the Prevention of Crime Ordi- nance, 1959, merely confers the necessary power of escort to the Police.
1299 22 DECEMBER 1965 1300 Wan Mustapha bin Haji Ali: Mr accused person for the reason that if President, Sir, I rise to support the the evidence is given in the presence amendment to the Prevention of Crime of the accused then there might be Ordinance.

As stated by the Honour- retaliation."

I mean, the witnesses able mover, under the previous might be threatened.

It is hoped that Prevention of Crime Ordinance, i.e.
without this amendment, the Police, as far as I know, did not escort the this section should be judiciously exercised, because if evidence is given to the enquiring Magistrate in the restricted persons to the place where absence of the accused, or his counsel, they should reside.
For instance, there naturally, of course, you cannot cross- have been quite a number of cases in examine the witnesses, though it is Kelantan, in which I appeared on suspected that these witnesses called behalf of the persons involved, where by the Police sometimes are not really after the order was issued or given, genuine witnesses they are witnesses it was the duty of these persons to who have a grudge personally against travel by themselves without any the person involved.
It is only in that escort with the result that, as Dato' respect that I wish • to comment on in T. H. Tan stated just now, some regard to this Bill.

people did not have the money to make the journey.

This amendment only says about the escort, but what about the fares for these people?
I think it is quite possible that once the Police has got the power to escort such a person, they will escort him, either by Police truck or Police jeep, or by train and then probably the Police will arrange about the fares.

This Prevention of Crime Act, 1965, of course, gives the power to the Government to order a person to be restricted at a certain place.

I would like to take this opportunity of saying that this Prevention of Crime Act should not be abused.

It is a very good Act except that there are.


sections under this Act, especially during the trial, where there is a certain section which empowers the prosecution to give evidence; in other words the Police would try to produce a certain number of witnesses before the enquiry officer or the Magistrate about the man involved, and it was his duty to say whether an order of restriction should by given or not.

However, during the `hearing itself.
in all cases I find that, because there is a certain section under which the Magistrate has the power to prohibit the taking down of evidence in the presence of the accused person, Sir, or even his counsel, the Police will say to the Sir, as I stated just now, I support this Bill, because it gives jurisdiction or power to the Police to escort the person involved and then the fare, I take it, would be paid by the Govern- ment, but during the trial, Sir, I find that the procedure is not very satisfactory.
Sir we are living in a democracy and justice not only must be done, but it must be seen to be done and, perhaps, it is quite possible if the Government can take up this' issue, for instance, that the Magistrate should not always listen to the Inspector or the Police officer who presents the case when there is an application that evidence should be given in the absence of the accused.
Mr President : Jika tidak ada Ahli2 Yang ' Berhormat yang hendak ber- chakap lagi, sava akan kemukakan is-itu Rang Undang2 ini supaya di- bachakan kali yang kedua Kato' .

Haji Mohamed Noah bin dinar: Saya rasa Yang Berhormat yang baharu berchakap ini ada juga perkara2 yang di-sebutkan, dia m inta sadikit ' kenyataan daripada pehak Keraj aan.
Ticlak-lah ada satu j awapan daripada pehak Kerajaan dalam per- kara ini Tuan Haji Abdul [amid Khan bm Hai Sakhawat All Khan: Than Yang Magistrate, "we would like to call di-Pertua, Menteri =yang berkenaan out witnesses in the absence of the tidak ada di-sini.

Saya tidak dapat counsel or in' the absence of the jawab.

1301 22 DECEMBER 1965 1302 Mr President : Sa-kurang2 patut ada of Malaya Law, there is no such wakil-nya di-sini.

requirement.
requirement.

Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I would like to say here that the points raised by the Honourable Wan Mustapha will be noted and passed on to the Ministry for attention.

Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau tidak ada Menteri yang bertanggong-j awab yang hendak menjawab-nya tanggohkan per- sidangan ini sampai besok.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.
House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) Mr President, Sir, the provisions of the new consolidating Act, which replaces the various existing laws relating to passports now in force in the component States of the Federation, are basically the same as those now contained in the laws which it replaces.
However, in view of the special position of the Borneo States with regard to entry into those States, there has been incorporated into the draft Act a provision relating to the produc- tion by persons travelling between Malaya and the Borneo States of internal travel documents issued under the immigration laws.

I refer, in parti- cular, to Clause 3 of the Bill.

Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand part whole House.

of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.

THE PASSPORTS BILL Second Reading Clauses 1 to 8 Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that the Passports Bill, 1965, be read a second time.
Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, at present the States of Malaya, Sabah and Sarawak have in force separate written laws pertaining to passports.
Rather than extending the Federation of Malaya Passports Act, 1960, to the other territories of Malaysia, it has been decided that it would be prefer- able to make a new Act for the whole of Malaysia, the reason being that the Federation of Malaya Passports Act, 1960, differs in an important respect from the passport laws at present in force in the other Malaysian territories.
The difference lies in the fact that in the Sabah and Sarawak Laws, it is mandatory for a person leaving those States to produce his passport for endorsement within a specified time of his leaving, whereas in the Federation Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar : Honoura- able Dato' President, Sir, I would like to refer to Clause 2, Sub-clause (4) of the Bill -I expect Dato' Tan will reply, Sir, if he can and I would like to quote it : "An immigration officer may make on any passport produced under this section such endorsement as he thinks fit".
The words I would like to have a clarification on, Sir, are : "as he thinks fit".

These words, Sir, give an unlimited power to the immigration officer.

"Immigration Officer" is not defined under this Bill.

If it says that an "immigration officer" is, for instance, the Minister or Assistant Minister, then I would say nothing on it.
Sir, if an 'immigration officer" is not defined, then there can be an instance happening somewhere in Malaysia where the power of that immigration officer is delegated to a mere clerk, and in such a case, that power might be abused by the clerk.

Sir, I would like also to enquire, how far is the power given to the 1303 22 DECEMBER 1965 1304 immigration officer in respect of such an endorsement on the passport, and what sort of endorsement is con- templated by the Bill.
This must be replied to by the Minister.

Dato' J. E. S. Crawford: Mr Presi- dent, Sir, on a point of clarification "Immigration officer" is defined on page 5; it is stated there that "immig- ration officer" shall have the meaning assigned to it in the Immigration Ordinance, 1959".

Date' Sheikh Abu Bakar : My second and third points have yet to be replied to : what sort of endorsement, and how far is the .

power to be given to the immigration officer?
Enche' Athi Nahappan : Mr Presi- dent, Sir, the language used here is wide for instance, under Clause 2 (3), it says "An immigration officer may, ......., put to any person producing such passport such questions as he thinks necessary; and such person shall answer any such question truthfully"; then sub-clause (4) says, "An immig- ration officer make on any passport produced under this section such endorsement as he thinks fit" I should imagine that, though the language is wide, he has still to function within the framework of the law itself, namely, matters pertaining to passport.
It does not mean that he can ask any question under the sun, which would be irrelevant; and I can imagine that in such a situation a citizen, who is asked an irrelevant question unconnec- ted with passport, may refuse to answer the question.

In so far as the endorsement is concerned, one may expect that an immigration officer is not going to make any kind of entry which is totally unconnected or irrelevant to the question of passport.
We can reasonably expect that an immigration officer will only be interested in matters assigned to him, and , he will only ask questions connected with his responsibility and make endorsement relevant to his responsibility.

It is.

to be expected that the language has got to be as wide as possible so as to give the immigra- tion officer a wide range of discretion within his responsibility.
Sir, so far as the drafting of this provision is concerned, I do not see why there should be any misgiving that it will be misapplied.
If it is mis- applied, then there is always the provision that any person who is aggrieved thereby can apply to the proper authorities, that is, in this case, the judicial authorities and ask for the necessary writs that is in Clauses 2, 3 and 4; if there is an abuse of power, it can be prevented by applica- tion for the necessary writ in the High Court, or, if there is a refusal a similar application can also be made for the necessary writ.
Date' Haji Mohamed Noah bin Omar: Mr Chairman, Sir, I would like to say that the definition of "immig- ration officer" is not stated in this Bill at all.

Normally, when we have a Bill of this nature, an officer of that kind is always defined.

Date' Sheikh Abu Bakar: Mr Chair- man, Sir, I would like to ask whether the Honourable Member who spoke just now across the passage was answering my question.
Enche' Athi Nahappan: Sir, I am not actually answering the Honourable Member's question, but I am merely making my own statement in the light of what the Honourable Member raised, and it is up to the .

Honourable Member to agree or disagree with me.

Date' Sheikh Abu Bakar bin Yahya: As he has answered my question, may I ask whether he is a Minister?

Enche' Athi Nahappan: A Senator need not be a Minister in order to agree or disagree with the views of another Senator.

Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir,.


here again, ' I must say that the ques- tions raised by the Honourable Senator Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar, will also be noted and reply given to him in due course.

(Laughter).

Question put, and agreed to.

Clauses 1 to 8 inclusive ordered to stand part of.

the Bill.. 1305 22 DECEMBER 1965 1306 Clauses 9 to 15 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.
THE IMMIGRATION (AMENDMENT) (No.

2) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Immigration Ordinance, 1959" be now read a second time.

the motion.
the motion.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, with the formation of Malaysia, the Immigration Ordinance, 1959, was extended to apply to the whole of Malaysia and an additional provision was inserted in section 3 of the Ordin- ance to provide for the appointment of Controllers to be stationed in and to act for different parts of Malaysia.
It is considered that the Controller of Immigration, Malaysia, should have in addition to the power vested in the Controllers of each component State, the further power of general supervi- sion and direction of all matters relating to immigration in Malaysia.

However, as section 3 of the Ordinance stands at present , each of the Control- lers appointed in the component States has the same power as the Controller appointed for the whole of Malaysia.
The purpose of this Bill is to vest in the Controller for Malaysia.

these additional powers and to change the title "Controller for .

Malaysia" to "Controller-General of Immigration."

Enche' William Tan: Mr President, Sir, may I be enlightened whether this Immigration (Amendment) Bill will eliminate the power of the Borneo States?

At present, under State control.

immigration is Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Mr President, Sir, did I hear i mmigra- tion is under State Control?
(Pause) Immigration is not State-controlled; immigration is under the Federal List, but as far as the Sarawak State is concerned , immigration into the State will be subject to further control by the State Government .

That is the position .

But Immigration from outside Malaysia, i.e.

those who want to come from outside Malaysia , will be under the control of the Federal Government.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.
House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 5 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.

THE DIVORCE (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that the Divorce (Amendment) Bill 1965, be read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, I beg to second the motion.
Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, the Federation of Malaya Divorce Ordinance No.

74 of 1952 was enacted at the time when Malaya was under the British rule.

Section 5 of the Ordinance conferred jurisdiction on the Malayan .

High Court to dissolve marriage of persons who are domiciled in the United Kingdom.

So long as the Federation of Malaya was under the colonial rule, this provision is com- pletely satisfactory.
But, once the Federation of Malaya became inde- pendent in 1957 and now forms °part of the Malaysian Federation the pro- vision of section 5 of the Divorce Ordinance is no longer compatible with international practice.

It has always been the international practice for the High Court of any i ndependent and sovereign state to exercise jurisdic- 1307 22 DECEMBER 1965 1308 tion over matrimonial and divorce practices only in cases where parties are domiciled in the country of that High.

Court.
Court.

Thus the object of the Bill is to make out divorce laws to conform with international practice.

The purport of the provisions in question is that where, in answer to a criminal charge, the defence of intoxi- cation is established, the law treats the accused as if he were a person of unsound mind.

Question put, and agreed to.

Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

whole -House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

Bill considered in Committee.


(Mr President in the Chair) (Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.

THE PENAL CODE THE RUBBER RESEARCH (AMENDMENT) (No.
2) BILL INSTITUTE OF MALAYA BILL Second Reading Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act further to amend the Penal Code", be read second time.

Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "the Rubber Research Institute of Malaya Bill" be read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, I beg to second the motion.
Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, a minor error, which has existed unnoticed for 17 years, has been discovered in the Penal Code.

The reference in that section to sections 347 and 348 of the Criminal Procedure Code is a reference to those sections of the Penal Procedure Code of the former Federated Malay States.

As Honourable Members are aware, there are two Criminal .

Procedure Codes in force in the States of Malaya-the former F.M.S.

Code in the 9 States and the former.


Straits Settlements Code in the States of Penang and Malacca.

The reference in the Penal Code to Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, Honourable Members will recall that in 1962 the Senate passed the Rubber Research Institute of Malaya Act, 1962.
This Act was introduced in order to' reconstitute the Institute after its long existence, which dated back to 1926, and to bring it into line with the major reorganisation of the Rubber Research Unit carried out in 1962 and financed by the Malayan Rubber Fund Board.

The Institute is charged with the responsibility of carrying out research and investigations into ways and means of increasing the efficiency of natural rubber production and impro- the two sections of the F.M.S.
Penal ving the presentation and quality of Code ought therefore to have been natural rubber for export.

It has a expanded to include a reference to the Board which is responsible for financial corresponding sections 373 and 374 of and administrative policies, and in its the Straits Settlements Code, when the research activities it is subject to the Penal Code was extended throughout direction and control of the Malayan the Federation in December 1948.
Rubber Fund Board, which provides 1309 22 DECEM BER 1965 1310 it with funds from the research cess collected on rubber exports.

Although the existing Act has brought about great improvement in administration and technical operations of the Institute, it has been found to contain some minor weaknesses and inconsistencies which sometimes led to difficulties in its administration.
For instance, under the existing Act the Director of the Institute is also at the same time the Chairman of the Board of the Institute.

The two roles of the Chief Executive Officer and the Chair- man should really be separate because of the possible conflict of loyalties and responsibilities attached to the offices of the Director of the Institute aLld to the Chairman of the Board of the Institute.
As the Director is an employee of the Board of the Institute and the Chief Executive Officer is responsible for its day to day admin- istration, it is inappropriate for him to officiate as Chairman of the Board of the Institute in which capacity he would have to exercise judiciously the role of balancing the interests of the Institute and its employees on the one hand, and those of the Institute's Board and the Malayan Rubber Fund Board on the other.
In order to remove this irregularity, it is proposed that the Controller of Rubber Research, who is also the Chairman of the Malayan Rubber Fund Board, should also be the Chairman of the Institute's Board.

At the same time, this proposed change will promote closer liaison between the Institute and its Board on the one hand and its parent body, the Malayan Rubber Fund Board, on the other.

With this proposed change, the Director of the Institute will how- ever remain a member of the Institute's Board.
Further, under the existing law, although there is provision for a person to be appointed to act as Director of the Institute, when its substantive Director is on leave or on overseas duty, there is no such provision to cover periods during which the post of Director is vacant, as, for example, between the date of resignation of the Director and that of the appointment of his replacement.
It is now proposed to introduce provisions which will enable the appointment of a person to act as Director during such periods.

Besides this provision, there are other provisions in the existing Act which need to be amended so as to harmonise the relationship between the Institute and its Board on the one hand and the Malayan Rubber Fund Board on the other.
From the drafting and presenta- tion point of view, it would be easier to repeal the existing Rubber Research Institute of Malaya Act, 1962, and to re-enact a new piece of legislation, incorporating all the basic provisions of the Act of 1962 and the amendments now proposed.

Mr President, Sir, I would like to add that the present Rubber Research Institute of Malaya is today acknow- ledged as one of the world's leading institutions in rubber research.
Through the skill, initiative and perseverance of its staff, the Institute has been able to build up, over the years, a fund of scientific knowledge on rubber research which is second to none in the world.

Its scientific and technical officers have made notable contribu- tions, not only in international scientific forums but also to industry and com- merce the world over.
With the rapid changes in the present position of the rubber industry, as a result of the phenomenal expansion of the synthetic rubber industry, both the Government and the Industry are keenly aware of the need for rubber research to pro- ceed with the utmost vigour, if the natural rubber producers are to maintain a fair share of the world's expanding demand for new rubber.
It is in the light of this need that this Bill has been presented with a view to strengthening and increasing further the efficiency of the Rubber Research Institute which is, and will be, a vital research organisation for the survival of the natural rubber industry in this country.
Dato' J. E. S. Crawford: Dato' President, Sir, in rising to give the fullest support to the Bill now before the House, I should like to take this opportunity to place on record the 1311 22 DECEMBER 1965 1312 deep appreciation and sincere thanks of the rubber producers of Malaya to the Rubber Research Institute of Malaya and all its staff, past and present, for the wonderful ad sterling efforts of this Research Institute, whose work has played a major part in placing our country at the top of the tree, as it were, as the greatest producer of natural rubber in the world.
Dato' President, Sir, in conclusion, on behalf of the rubber producers of Malaya, I would like to acknowledge the great debt the natural rubber industry of this country owes to the Rubber Research Institute of Malaya, which Research Institute, I should like to add, has earned international recog- nition due to its wonderful work and many dicoveries which have played so large a part in the battle against synthetic rubber.

1 support this Bill, Sir.

Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 18 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.
THE MALAYSIAN TIMBER EXPORT INDUSTRY BOARD (INCORPORATION) BILL S Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I begto move that a Bill intituled, "an Act to establish the Malaysian Timber Export Industry Board for the purpose of regulating and improving the timber export industry and to pro- vide for matters connected therewith" be read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second.

the motion.
the motion.

Dato' T H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, Honourable Members are aware that during the last decade or so, the timber important industry and its main pro- duct, sawn timber, now ranks as the sixth largest export commodity of this country.

From a total export of 116,380 cubic tons of sawn timber valued at $17.7 million in 1954 it reached 570,431 cubic tons valued at $86.5 million in 1964.
Needless to say, this rapid expansion of the timber industry has contributed greatly to the economic prosperity and wellbeing of this country.

However, in spite of this remarkable success, which in no small measure has been due to the initiative, enterprise and skill of the private sector, the timber industry in its export trade has been faced with numerous problems and difficulties, which have threatened serious damage to the industry.
On representations made by the timber industry, the Government set up a working party comprising Govern- ment officials and representatives of the trade and industry to examine the problems thoroughly and to recom- mend ways and means to improve and The working party in its deliberations noted that many of the difficulties, facing the timber industry and export trade, were due to existence of part- time exporters and traders who indulge in unscrupulous trade practices and whose only interest was a quick profit without any regard for the prestige of Malaysian timber overseas.
The working party, having examined the problems in the timber industry as a whole, cane to the conclusion that a body to be called Malaysian Timber Export Industry Board should be set up to regulate and control the timber export trade so as to put it on a sound and stable basis, in order to maintain overseas confidence.

The Government has considered the report of the working party and has decided to accept its recommendations for.
the establishment" of the Malaysian Timber Export Trade Industry Board as a corporate body.

A Bill to enact the legislation for setting up .this Board is now presented before the Senate.

M'r President, Sir, I would outline House immediately resolved itself to stabilise the position of the Industry.

industry has become an increasingly briefly the main features of the Bill.
1313 22 DECEMBER 1965 1314 The proposed Board will comprise a Chairman, two Federal Government representatives, one Singapore Govern- ment representative and seven repre- sentatives of the industry and trade, two of whom are from Singapore.

The trade and industry representatives are to be nominated by recognised associa- tions which are listed in the Second Schedule to the Bill.

The Bill provides the Minister with powers to amend the Schedule of recognised Associa- tions.
The main functions of the Board will be to promote, regulate and control the export of timber, and for this purpose it will be empowered to issue registration certificates to exporters who satisfy conditions set out in Section 13 and Section 14 of the Bill.
The Board will also be empowered to make regulations regarding types of contract to be used for the export of timber, methods of fixing prices, measures for the maintenance of proper standards of conduct in the trade and to deal with trading infringements.

The Board will establish a fund into which will be paid all moneys collected from a cess or cesses on all timber exported and this fund will be used to defray all expenditure of the Board in carrying out its functions under the Act.
Honourable Members will note that the jurisdiction of the proposed Board will not extend to the States of Sabah and Sarawak which are also important producers of timber.

In view of the different circumstances prevailing in the timber industry in those States, the Government of the two States have advised that for the time being the jurisdiction of the proposed Board should not be extended to their States.
The Government, however, is glad to announce that the Singapore Government has agreed to participate with the rest of Malaysia in setting up a joint Board and has agreed to enact parallel legislation with Singapore which also has considerable interest in the timber trade.

As stated earlier, the timber industry has now become a major economic activity in this country.
I have no doubt that with the establishment of the proposed Board, the industry will not only be able to stabilise its position but will also be able to enhance its competitiveness overseas.

Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak minta penj elasan daripada Menteri yang berkenaan, kalau tidak salah pada pendengaran saya, Dato' Tan kata, negeri Sabah dan Sarawak tidak bersetuju masok bersama dalam badan yang di-tubohkan oleh Kerajaan mi.
Jadi, tentu-lah ada sebab2 yang besar yang boleh menyebabkan dual negeri ini tidak bersetuju masok champor, pada hal-nya saya rasa, pengeluaran kayu balak daripada Sarawak dan Sabah ini, terutama-nya Sarawak, chukup-lah banyak.

Dan kira-nya kita tidak con- trol atau pun kawal daripada hari ini, saya bimbang takut menjadi kelewatan bagi kita hendak mengawal pada masa yang akan datang mi.
Dan j uga saya bimbang Kerajaan kedua2 negeri itu mungkin j uga di-pengarohi oleh kapi- talis2 yang mengambil peluang pada masa ini untok mengeluarkan kayu balak daripada Sarawak dan Sabah supaya menggunakan pengaroh yang ada pada-nya untok menahan dual Kerajaan itu berchampor dalam badan yang mustahak ini.
Jadi, kalau Singa- pura sanggup berchampor sama dalam badan ini, kenapa pula Sarawak dan Sabah, dual buah negeri dalam Malay- sia ini, sanggup menarek diri daripada badan yang di-tubohkan oleh Kerajaan lnl?

mi sate perkara yang sangat-lah mendukachitakan bagi kita mendengar- kan berita yang sa-umpama ini.

Saya rasa perlu Kerajaan kita atau pun Menteri Perdagangan kita, chuba-lah dengan sa-berapa daya upaya-nya memuj ok dua2 buah Kerajaan ini, supaya champor sama dalam badan yang kita telah tubohkan mi.
Kalau Menteri kita tidak boleh pujok ini, nampak sangat-lah lemah daripada oehak Kerajaan kita dalam mengguna- kan daya pnarek-nya untok menarek- kan dua2 buah negeri ini untok champor dalam badan mi.

Saya rasa dengan kebijaksanaan Menteri kita ini, kedua2 buah Kerajaan ini akan ber- champor.
Saya pernah pergi ka- Sarawak, saya melihat banyak kayu2 1315 22 DECEMBER 1965 1316 balak yang di-keluarkan daripada mempengarohi kedua2 buah Kerajaan negeri Sarawak ini, yang mana ini-lah ini supaya jangan bersefahaman dengan satu badan yang patut sangat menarek- kita.

Jadi, ini satu perkara bahaya, kan Sarawak ini, masok dalam badan saya rasa bahaya bagi Malaysia im.

mi.

Bagi Malaya kita ini, barangkali kayu sudah tidak banyak lagi.

Jadi Jadi, mustahak dalam perkara ini, kita j aga daripada awal.
J angan daripada badan yang kita bentokkan ini, sudah kechil kita biarkan benda itu beriaku.

dengan negeri Malaya sahaj a, saya chana kapada Malaysia kita mi.

j adi lewat.

Kalau bagi Malaya sahaj a, saya rasa sudah kelewatan.

Sebab-nya, negeri2 di-Pantai Barat sudah tidak ada kayu lagi tidak banyak kayu yang di-keluarkan.

Chuma reserve yang ada di-Trengganu, di-Kelantan dan di-Pahang.

mi harapan kayu keluaran banyak yang badan ini boleh dapat men j aga dan mengawal.
Tetapi kalau sa-kira-nya tidak masokkan Sarawak dan Sabah menunjokkan badan ini akan menjadi sangat lemah.

Berapa kita usaha pun, rasa tidak chukup.

Jadi, saya hendak minta-fah, jangan-lah jadi Sarawak dan Sabah ini, dalam masaalah kepentingan ekonomi bersama ini, dia hendak larikan daripada Malaya mi.

Lupakan-lah yang Sarawak dan Sabah ini negeri yang berasingan.

Sebab kita sudah jadi Malaysia hari ini.

Jadi tidak perlu lagi kita memikirkan kalau kayu balak, jangan champor Sarawak dan Sabah.
Kalau benda lain tidak apa kita masok sa-kali.

Jadi, mana menguntongkan mereka, takut kena cess umpama-nya, jangan champor.

Fasal apa tidak mahu cham- por?

Takut taukeh2 kayu balak ini beri tahu kapada pegawai2, pehak pemerentah atau pun mempengarohi Kerajaan, kalau di-masokkan di-sini, kena cess.

Kalau kena cess, harga sudah ada lebeh sadikit.

Pada hal-nya, dia orang patut faham cess ini beri pertolongan juga kapada perusahaan itu sendiri.

Bagaimana cess getah yang kita kena ini, ini tidak patut.
Jadi, chara ini patut kita sedar.

Jangan-lah satu Kerajaan atau pun dual buah Kerajaan ini mudah sangat di-penga- rohi oleh kaum2 kapitalis.

Jadi, kalau sa-kira-nya dalam kayu balak mereka boleh mempengarohi sa-hingga asing- Umpama-nya, dalam perkara yang lebeh besar Iagi, kalau kita tidak jaga yang kechil ini, yang lebeh besar iagi, nanti dia buat keputusan yang boleh menyusahkan kita.
Umpama-nya dalam bahagian persekolahan, dalam baha- gian immigreshen, dan macham2 per- kara lagi yang dia ada berkuasa sendiri, walau pun dalam Malaysia, tetapi ada sadikit hak di-beri kebe- basan.

Jadi, kalau kebebasan ini di-beri dengan sa-chara yang terlampau luas sangat, nanti membawa kapada ben- Jadi, saya harap Menteri yang ber- kenaan ini, satu Menteri yang chukup manis dan bijak ini boleh-lah memujok dua buah negeri ini supaya tarekkan sama, masokkan dalam badan mi.
Satu lagi pertanyaan saya dalam senarai pertubohan yang di-aku i ini, saya tengok di-Singapura Timber Export Association, (Singapore Saw- millers Association).

Tetapi Malaya ini sa-olah2 belum ada sawmillers associa- tion.

Ada-kah kerana tidak ada sawmillers association itu tidak di- masokkan dalam ini?

Atau pun apa- kah sebab-nya ketinggalan sawmillers association bagi Malaya ini?

Singapura itu Export Association pun di-masok- kan, Sawmillers pun di-masokkan.
Saya rasa tidak perlu Sawmillers Associa- tion macham di-Singapura itu di- masokkan sebab apa yang kita perlu barangkali berkenaan dengan export import sahaja sebab itu pelabohan.

Jadi kalau sawmillers di-masokkan jadi tentu-lah terlampau banyak sangat kita beri suara atau pun hak kapada orang Singapura ini bersuara dalam kita punya badan yang kita tubohkan ini.
Memada-lah kalau kita katakan tempat bagi Sawmillers Association itu beri-lah kapada Sawmillers Associa- kan daripada badan ini, barangkali tion bagi Malaya ini kalau ada; kalau perkara yang lebeh besar daripada ti_dak ada, boleh-lah kita tunggu supaya kayu balak, perkara mengenai dasar2 di-adakan.
Tetapi kalau bagi Singapura Kerajaan, boleh juga mereka2 ini Sawmillers Association di-masokkan 1317 22 DECEMBER 1965 1318 juga dalam badan ini, saya rasa tidak middlemen and exporters and some, perlu sebab apa yang kita perlu kapada Singapura is-lah kerana Singapura itu pelabohan.

Kalau kita hendak hantar kayu ka-Singapura baik-lah kita hantar kayu yang telah di-potong dengan tidak payah kita ambil suara Saw- millers Association di-sana.
Jadi kalau kita tarek Sawmillers Association dari- pada Singapura j adi mereka menyuara- kan chara kepentingan perniagaan sawmill di-Singapura yang many bertentangan dengan suara, barangkali sawmillers yang ada di-Malaya kita sendiri manakala sawmillers di-Malaya tidak ada suara di-sini.

Jadi apa yang kita dapat dengar suara daripada sawmillers yang ada di-saberang Tam- bak Johor sahaja.

Jadi saya rasa tidak kena-lah.

Itu-lah sahaja pendapat saya.

Saya manta-lah keterangan yang lebeh j etas.


The Minister of Commerce and Industry (Dr Lim Swee Aun): Mr President, Sir, it is correct that this Bill does not extend to Sabah and Sarawak, and the reason is that before Sabah and Sarawak joined Malaysia, at the Inter-Government Committee stage, it was agreed that timber and the trading in timber should not come under central control.
The second reason why Sabah and Sarawak were not asked to join in this Timber Export Industries Board is because their method of export, or their pro- blems of export are different from those existing in the States of Malaya and Singapore.

In the States of Malaya we have many people, who exploit timber from the forests, who have more relatively small areas to work upon: some of them have their own sawmills, but most of them do not have their own sawmills and they sell their timber through the sawmills.
Then these saw- millers, some own compartments, some do not own compartments, and they sell their timber sometimes to an exporter or export them direct.

So, the timber trade here, where export is concerned, can be handled by several types of people, the people who work the forests, the people who own only sawmills, people who are purely of course, go all the way to Singapore for export.

As a result of this multi- plicity and this competition to export timber, malpractices had arisen.
Hence the need for this Timber Board to control the exports of timber in the States of Malaya and Singapore.

In Sabah and Sarawak, however, the picture is very different, because of the vast areas of forests available and relatively few people in the trade.

There they talk in terms of square miles of forest reserve, or forest con- cessions, whereas here we only talk of acres.
As a result, people in the timber industry in Sabah and Sarawak invariably own their own sawmills, or, if they do not have their own sawmills, they export these logs direct so that practically there are no middlemen.

Hence, they do not have so many problems of export of timber in Sabah and Sarawak as we have in the States of Malaya and Singapore.

Sir, the other point raised was, why is there a Sawmillers' Association in Singapore, and why is there none in the States of Malaya?
Sir, in the States of Malaya, the people in the timber export trade have grouped themselves into three associations: the Federation of Malaya Timber Export Association, the Timber Trade Federation of Malaysia and the Malay Timber Trade.

Among these are already sawmillers.

They have not themselves formed a separate association.

These are the reasons.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.
House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 28 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Schedules 1 and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.
1319 22 DECEMBER 1965 1320 THE PINEAPPLE INDUSTRY (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Pineapple Industry Ordinance, 1957, and the Pineapple Industry (Amendment) Act, 1964" be read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: I beg to second the motions.


Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, the present legislations on the pineapple industry contain provisions to empower the Malayan Pineapple Industry Board to make regulations to register persons, who own or use land for planting pineapple intended primarily for sale to canneries, and who are not at the same time the owners of the canneries.
statistics, the Board will be better equipped to help and advise other Governmental bodies regarding plans to alienate lands for pineapple growing and statistical research concerning the pineapple industry.

The registration of pineapple grower will also enable the Board, from time to time, to have more accurate estimates of raw fruit production which can be related to the canning capacity of the existing canneries and to the world demand for canned pineapple.
The Bill also seeks to amend Section 5 of the Pineapple Industry (Amend- ment) Act, 1964, in order to remove certain ambiguities.
It is proposed to substitute the word "Corporation" for the word "Act" so that it is clearly understood that the levy to be imposed under the section is to be used solely These provisions, however, do not for the purpose of meeting the admini- make it compulsory for growers to strative expenses incurred in running register, nor do they offer incentives the marketing corporation and not for for growers to register themselves with the Board.
As it is essential for the Board to have a comprehensive record of all growers, so as to enable it to possess sufficient information pertaining to the various factors in the produc- tion aspect of raw pineapples, it is necessary to introduce provisions which provide the necessary stimulus and incentives to small growers to register with the Board.
In order to achieve this, it is proposed to introduce a new clause in Section 14 of the Pineapple Industry Ordinance, 1957, to provide that canners shall accept pineapples only from registered growers, except where the written approval of the Board has been obtained.

Consequent on this amendment, it is necessary to amend Section 11(a) of the Ordinance to empower the Board to keep a regis- ter of growers.
At present without a proper register of all pineapple growers, the Board has to make very rough estimates of the acreage, yields, income, etc., of the pineapple growers, especially the small growers.

The Board has to have accurate statistics on these items to enable it to plan a more effective rehabilitation and fertiliser subsidisa- any other purposes.

It is also proposed to replace the word "to" with the word "through" in that section.
This is because the marketing corporation is not the buyer of canned pineapple but is a body to which canned pineapple is to be sold for export.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 5 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.
ORDER OF BUSINESS (Motion) Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move, That pursuant to Standing Order 13 (2), the Senate shall consider the National Productivity Council (Incor- poration) Bill before the Women and Girls (Appointment of Places of Safety) tion programme.

With more accurate Bill.

1321 22 DECEMBER 1965 1322 Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second trial development in particular.

The the motion.

Resolved, Question put, and agreed to.


That pursuant to Standing Order 13 (2), the Senate shall consider: the National Productivity Council (Incor- poration) Bill before the Women and Girls (Appointment of Places of Safety) Bill.
BILLS THE NATIONAL PRODUCTIVITY COUNCIL (INCORPORATION) BILE Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to establish a body corporate to be called the National Productivity Council and to provide for matters connected therewith" be now read a second time.

the motion.
the motion.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second Data' T. H. Tan: Mr President, , Sir, the plan of operation for the establish- ment of the National Productivity Centre provides for a review of the status of the Centre after two years of operation and also makes provision for reviewing the need to grant an increasing measure of autonomy by transferring to industry a substantial share of the responsibility for its administration and financing.
The National Productivity Centre has now been in operation for almost four years and, whilst its training programmes have proceeded very satisfactorily, its continuation as a Government Department presents some administrative and financial problems, particularly in matters of recruitment, selection and salary scales of its staff and in matters of charging fees for its courses.
Judging, however, from the reaction of industry and commerce to the Centre's training activities, there is no doubt that the Centre, given the right impetus and reasonable facilities, can continue to be an extremely useful Centre has been providing for the nation the much needed training of managerial, supervisory and trade union executive personnal as proved by the impact of productivity on the organisations that have so far parti- cipated in the Centre's training programme, especially through short- term practical projects in plants, workshops, and offices of the parti- cipants.
The demand for the Centre's training activities has been increased not only in the Western States but also in the Eastern States of Malaysia.

The courses run by the Centre are also open to nominees of ` Government Departments as well as nominees of organisations sponsored by Govern- ment Departments with the approval of the Minister of Commerce and Industry.
The Bill, therefore, seeks to establish an autonomous National Productivity Council which will run the existing National Productivity Centre, ` which at present operates as a Government Department under the guidance of its Advisory Council: The Bill has provision for the Council through the Centre to charge fees, to borrow money and to receive grant and donation from Government as well as non Government sources.
The fact that industry and commerce will also have a share in the financial responsibility means that industry will have a bigger say in the running of the Centre.

The composition of the Council has, therefore, been carefully considered to ensure sufficient and equitable representation by industry, commerce, university, employers and trade unions.

Those Ministries of Government in- volved with productivity problems will also be represented.
The Council will be headed by a Chairman to be appointed by the Minister charged with the responsibility for commerce and industry.

The Chairman, in conjunction with the Council, will appoint such other executive and administrative staff as the Centre may need.
The organisation to the economic progress functions of the Council are spelt out of our country in general and to indus- in the Bill and are briefly as follows : 1323 22 DECEMBER 1465 1324 (a) to raise the standard of manage- commercial sectors and also the rate ment in commerce and industry; of industrial expansion in our country.
(b) to improve the efficiency of industrial operations, sales and (c) to initiate training and other marketing; programmes; (d) to publicise the aims, objectives and activities of the Centre and obtaining the co-operation of employer and employees groups; (e) to advise the Minister and the Government is keenly aware, that on the shoulders of our rising managers and executives rests the important role of giving our country the image of progress and efficiency that will attract the capital so necessary for our economic expansion.
Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time, and committed to a Committee of the private sector on productivity whole House.

techniques; (f) to serve as a forum for discussing organisational, managerial and supervisory problems in com- merce and industry; (g) to report annually to the Minister on the progress and problems of raising productivity in commerce and industry in the country and make recommendations an the manner in which such problems may be dealt with.
(h) to undertake and perform con- sultant services; (i) to establish and maintain contact with similar or other agencies both national and international; and (j) to do all such acts and things as may be incidental to or con- sequential upon the discharge of its functions under this Act.

Sir, I feel that the objects can be attained and the National Productivity Council will serve to accelerate the pace of industrial development, thereby raising the living standards of our people.
For a start, it is the intention that Government will give the Council an annual grant which will diminish proportionately until the Council is able to be fully self-supporting.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 18 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment; read the third time and passed.
THE WOMEN AND GIRLS (APPOINTMENT OF PLACES OF SAFETY) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled, "an Act to provide for the appointment of places of safety for the purposes of the Laws in force in different parts of the States of Malaya for the Protection of Women and Girls be read a second time.

Data' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second the motion.


The Minister for Welfare Services (Tuan Hali Abdul Hamid Khan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, semenjak tahun 1870, beberana buah Undang2 telah di-kuat kuasakan bagi perlindongan perem- puan2 dan gadis2.

Pada masa ini, kita The productivity movement has been mempunyai lima buah Undang2 yang gathering momentum, especially in berasingan yang maseh berjalan kuat Asia and productivity drives are being intensified by almost all newly deve- loping countries.
Malaysia should be no exception.

Through the autonomous National Productivity Council, we can kuasa-nya di-dalam Negeri2 Tanah Melayu dan kebanyakan daripada isi kandongan-nya di-dapati telah lapok dan tidak berfaedah lagi, oleh kerana Undang2 itu telah di-bentok untok increase efficiency in the industrial and di-sesuaikan dengan keadaan dan 1325 22 DECEMBER 1965 1326 kuasa pentadbiran yang ada pada xnasa itu.
Kementerian saya bersama2 dengan Jabatan Peguam Negara sedang ber= usaha menyediakan sa-buah Rang Undang2 yang lengkap dan terbaharu bagi menggantikan Undang2 yang sudah lama itu.

Sementara menant per aksanaan Undang2 baharu2 ini, Kementerian saya akan terus mengam- bil tindakan bagi menchegah dan menghapuskan pelachoran dan peme- rasan perempuan2 dan gadis2 di-bawah kuat kuasa Undang2 yang ada.
Di- bawah Undang2- yang berjalan sekarang ada terkand ong sharat2 bagi menahan perempuan2 dan gadis2 di-dalam tempat2 perlindongan, sementara menantikan perbicharaan atau pun perentah Mahkamah, tetapi tidak sa- orang pun di-beri kuasa di-bawah Undang2 yang ada itu bagi melantek tempat2 perlindongan itu.

Kuat kuasa yang dahulu yang di -kanun di-dalam Undang2 Negeri Melayu Yang Ber- sekutu berkenaan dengan perkara ini telah di-hapuskan dengan kuat kuasa Undang2 No.

27 tahun 1947.
27 tahun 1947.

Ada-lah di-anggap perlu supaya tempat2 perlindongan yang di-gunakan bagi menahan perempuan2- dan gadis2 sa-chara halal di-sisi Undang2 ini di- tentukan.

Oleh itu mustahak-lah d i -adakan undang2 bagi menentukan siapa-kah pehak yang berkuasa bagi mengishtiharkan sa-sabuah tempat bagi perlindongan untok maksud Undang2 yang ada sekarang.

Undang2 telah di- bentangkan untok di-letakkan kuat- kuasa kapada Menteri Kebajikan `Am.
Kementerian saya telah pun mengada- kan sa-buah y. ayasan di-Kuala Lumpur yang akan di-gunakan sa-bagai tempat perlindongan bagi penahanan dan pemulehan semua perempuan2- dan gadis2 yang telah di-perentah oleh Mahkamah untok di-terima di-situ.

Di-bawah Undang2 Perlindongan Perempuan2 dan !gadis2, sa-buah lagi yayasan di-Trengganu akan siap sedia di-bena sa-belum akhir tahun 1966 dan a-buah lagi Pula: ada-lah di-ranching- kan untok di-bena dalam jangka Ranchangan Pembangunan Malaysia Yang Pertama.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya men- chadangkan mengishtiharkan yayasan tersebut sa-bagai tempat2 perlindongan mengikut Undang2 yang saya bentang- kan kapada Dewan ini di-bawah kuat- kuasa Undang2 Perlindongan Perem- puan2 dan Gadis2.
Wan Mutapha bin ]Fuji Wan Ark: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-belum saya mendengar Menteri yang berkenaan berchakap berkenaan dengan Rang Undang2 ;ini, saya suka Rang Undang2 ini, tujuan-nya sa-bagaimana yang di- sebutkan dalam Explanatory Statement di- s in i tidak ada dalam bah.asa Melayu, tetapi mengikut Explanatory Statements is berkata : "The Object of this Bill is to provide for the appointment of places of safety in which women and girls in need of protection can be detained.
This is required because there are at present five different laws in force in the States of Malaya and consequently there is no provision for central places of safety .........." Jadi, saya sukakan tujuan Bill ini supaya di-beri kuasa kapada pehak yang berkenaan, umpama-nya mem- buat satu tempat khas untok perlin- dongan wani tae atau pun gadis2 yang akan di-tempatkan di-Pusat, umpama- nya di-Kuala Lumpur, dan hendak di- ubah segala Undang2, umpama-nya yang di-jumpal di-dalam lima Undang.2 di-dalam negeri di-Tanah Melayu.
Te- tapi mengikut Undang2 yang kedua ini; nampak-nya memberi kuasa kapada Kementerian ini supaya memileh sati.

tempat di-dalam Malaysia bukan Tanah Melayu sahaja mengikut Unda.ng2 ini, tujuan Kerajaan lain, tetapi mengikut Undang2 ini memberi kuasa kapada Kementerian memileh sate tempat di-dalam Malaysia is-itu berma`ana di-Sabah atau di-Sarawak di-mithalkan dan sebab itu ada terang2 "(Whether or not.

that place is situate in a part of the States of Malaya to which that law applies)."
Boleh adi ma`ana-nya katakan-lah, orang itu datang daripada Kelantan umpama-nya, daripada Kelantan da- hulu katakan-lah ada Undang2 Perlin- dengan Gadis2- atau Wanita2 ini dan dengan Undang2 hari ini, harus-lah di-luluskan.

Jikalau-lah Kementerian ini dengan kehendak hati-nya sendiri dia berma`ana dia lebeh suka hendak 1327 22 DECEMBER 1965 1328 hantar gadis2 atau perempuan2 Melayu it is due to an oversight not my over- tidak mahu dudok dalam Tanah sight.
Malaysia was mentioned in Melayu, kena buat sa-buah tempat Clause 2 of the Bill, whereas it was perlindongan ini di-Sabah.

mi boleh.

Jadi di-mana-kah jaminan, saga per- intended to refer to the States of Malaya.

I must apologise for this.

I chaya wanita Melayu datang daripada have not seen the amendment to Clause Kelantan, Trengganu, Kedah, Perak 2 which is to correct this mistake.
atau mana2 pun tidak mahu, tidak suka, tidak bersetuju, barangkali sa- umpama-nya di-hantar ka-satu tempat sa-umpama di-Sabah atau di-Sarawak.

Bukan saya berniat hendak menjatoh- kan negeri Sabah dan Sarawak, tetapi memang-lah orang Melayu atau orang bangsa Melayu, memang patut suka jikalau-lah di-hantar dapat dekat negeri yang dia dudok lama2.

Kalau Kelantan di-hantar di-Kota Bharu lebeh baik, di-Kuala Lumpur pun tidak mengapa, tetapi kalau di-hantar ka- Sabah tidak boleh.
Jadi buat fikiran saya pelek di-atas ini berbunyi : "Where any law in force in any part of the States of Malaya relating to the protec- tion of women and girls provides for the detention of any woman or girl in place of safety, the Minister may, by notification in the Gazette, appoint any place in any part of Malaysia."

What I would like to ask is, why not, instead of that use: "The Minister may by notification in the Gazette, appoint any place in any part of the States of Malaya."
Bagitu juga di-bahagian atas, sebab kits berchakap State of Malaya, undang2 yang lapok, yang tidak bagus, yang kotor, yang dalam itu daripada lima enam undang2 daripada satu dan sekarang kita pusing pergi kapada State of Malaysia dan yang kedua-nya, saya juga hendak bertanya juga ada- ka.h fiat Kerajaan.
Jikalau di-sini di-sebutkan women and girls, kalau girl; perempuan yang muda anak da ra barangkali dan ada-kah niat Kerajaan hendak hantar.. kalau perempuan itu patut dapat perlindongan anak dara umor 14-16 tahun berchampor dengan perempuan yang lain yang berumor 30-40 tahun perempuan juga yang kata-lah moral-nya tidak ada, umpama-nya saya tidak berani hendak sebut di-sini.

Ada-kah dengan fiat undang2 ini ....... Somebody has pointed out that we have got here an amendment.
Well, Explanatory Statement di-sini is-itu berlainan dengan Bill yang warna hijau ini, yang puteh kadang2 tidak nampak, fasal puteh ini, tetapi saya berchakap yang hijau ini.

Dalam hal bagitu pun saya hendak bertanya kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri yang berkenaan itu.

Ada-kah niat Kerajaan hendak meng- hantar orang perempuan atau pun gadis saperti anak dara itu dan ada-kah beza-nya umpama-nya perempuan itu maseh dapat perlindongan, tetapi perempuan ini kata-lah anak dara, kalau tidak anak dara pun.
Sunggoh pun Iebeh dari umor 18 atau pun 20 tahun, tetapi bukan orang j ahat sangat.

Ada-kah kita hendak champor dengan kata-lah perempuan yang telah niasok jail lima enam kali yang berumor.

25 tahun itu.

Dan yang kedua pula, nampak-nya di-sini di-sebutkan `where any law enforced in • any part of the State of......' berma`ana apa undang2 di-dalam sa-buah negeri Tanah Melayu ini boleh di-kaitkan di- sini.

Ada-kah termasok undang2 Muslim Law?


Ada-kah umpama-nya jikalau ada undang2 Islam yang bagi perlindongan kapada gadis atau pun perempuan Islam itu?

Ada-kah dengan Bill ini Rangy Undang2 ini _ Kerajaan Pusat ini boleh menarekkan bagi per- lindongan kapada, umpama-nya, gadis2 dan peremnuan vans di-Iindon^kan di- bawah undang2 Islam yang kechil?

Enche' Athi Nahappan: Mr Presi- dent, Sir, may I ask the Honourable Minister, by way of elucidation, as to the main purpose of this Bill?

It says "protection".


What kind of protection is envisaged?

It says "women and girls."

Are all, women and girls of whatever religious denomination and racial background covered by these words?

And then the word "detention" is rather an unhappy connotation, because it implies some form of compulsion, it implies some kind of 1329 22 DECEMBER 1965 1330 misdeeds on the part of women and girls concerned.

May be the Honourable Minister will give some.


explanation as to why this Bill is introduced as expressed.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Tuan Yang di Pertua, berkenaan dengan perkara yang di-bangkitkan oleh Senator Wan Mustapha tadi rasa saya perkara2 yang di-bangkitkan sama ada gadis2 daripada sini hendak di- hantarkan ka-Sabah.

Saya rasa, Bill ini telah pun di-edarkan dengan satu pindaan kapada Rumah mi.
Jadi perkara lagi satu di-tanya oleh sa-orang Ahli berapa-kah undang2 atau sama ada masok dalam undang2 Islam dan sa-bagai-nya.
Lima undang2 saya sebutkan tadi yang ada berasingan bagi tiap2 satu Negeri is-itu sekarang mi i 5 undang2 is-itu the Women and Girls Protection Enactment, Federated Malay States; the Women and Girls Protection Enactment of the State of Johore, the Women and Girls Protection Enact- ment, State of Kedah, the Women and Girls Protection Enactment, State of Perlis, the Women and Girls Protec- tion Ordinance of the Straits Settle- ments dan lain daripada itu F.M.S.
Enactment itu, ada-lah di-sambong ka- negeri Trengganu dan Kelantan juga mengikut the Women and Girls Protection Enactment Extension to Trengganu Ordinance, 1956, and the Women and Girls Protection Enact- ment to Kelantan Ordinance, 1956.
Jadi tujuan dan maksud ini ada-lah sekarang ini di-katakan orange yang kena hukum di-bawah undang2 negeri Kelantan, orange itu hanya boleh di- masokkan rumah di-Kelantan sahaja, tidak boleh di-masokkan tempat yang lain, (Central Place) tidak dapat, orange yang kena hukum di-Perlis tiada boleti di-letakkan di-tempat lain.
Undang2 ini memberi kuasa kapada saya, sa- bagai Menteri Kebajikan `Am menerusi undang2 yang di-kemukakan ka-Rumah pada hari ini supaya boleh di-masok- kan ka-satu rumah (central) atau rumah di-mana sa-kali pun.

Orang Kelantan boleh di-hantar ka-Kuala Lumpur, bagitu juga orang Trengganu, bagitu juga di-tempat2 yang lain.

Jadi kalau tiada undang2 ini dan kelulusan Undang2 ini, saya tidak boleh buat demikian.

Tadi ` Senator Athi Nahappan ber- tanya, `what kind of protection, perlindongan sa-umpama mana?
Jadi orange ini ada-lah orange yang di- hantar menerusi perentah mahkamah.

Jadi orange ini kita bagi perlindongan is-itu supaya kita rehabilitate is-itu di-beri orang ini latehan, latehan supaya apabila mereka telah d i-beri latehan telah chukup masa-nya dia dalam perlindongan rumah2 ini, apa- bila dia keluar, dia boleh-lah menchari nafkah-nya dengan chara yang halal.

Itu tujuan-nya.

Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: Ma`ana-nya Undang2 ini is-lah undang2 pemulehan bagi perempuan2 dan anak2 gadis.
Perkataan "pemulehan" dengan perkataan "perlindongan" ini saya rasa kedua2 sa-kali itu kena masok kedua2 sebab tidak ma`ana dia mesti berlainan.

Kalau hendak kata "perlindongan" ma`ana si-laki2 ini hendak kapada perempuan itu, jadi terpaksa perempuan itu pergi di-letak- kan kapada satu tempat untok melindong daripada satu perkara yang tidak baik.
Jadi kalau kita kata "pemulehan" "perlindongan", pemu- lehan ma`ana-nya, kalau satu perempuan di-hambat oleh satu jantan, umpama-nya, kita bawa satu tempat melindongkan dia sambil melindong itu mesti memulehkan dia kerana si- perempuan itu tidak baik perangai-nya.

Jadi terpaksa di-puleh.

Jadi saya rasa ini mesti mengandongi dua perkataan yang berasingan, ini mesti di-masokkan dalam Undang2 ini baharu-lah kena dengan kehendak Undang2 itu.
Kalau tidak di-masokkan "pemulehan", ada-kah Undang2 itu mempunyai hak dan kuasa untok memulehkan perempuan itu kalau tidak di-masokkan, kalau sa-kira-nya memada dengan perlindongan sahaja.. Saya rasa chuma kita .

melindong,.

bagitu-lah saudara kita Athi Nahappan bertanya hendak lindongan daripada apa?

Jadi saya rasa itu pun menasabah sebab tujuan hendak melindong itu mesti ada satu benda yang hendak menangkapkan benda itu atau hendak 1331 22 DECEMBER 1965 1332 merbahaya umpama-nya, hendak lin- dong.
Jadi kalau hendak memulehkan, itu perkara lain, satu budak yang sudah rosak akhlak-nya di-masokkan kapada satu rumah untok membaiki akhlak, ma`ana-nya rumah pemulehan akhlak, umpama-nya, itu lain ma`ana- nya.

Jadi saya meminta penjelasan.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, undang2-nya ada-lah di-kandongkan dalam undang2 yang lima yang saya sebutkan tadi.
Undang2 ini hanya memberi kuasa kapada Menteri Kebajikan supaya menentukan rumah2 (to provide for places of safety) menentukan sahaja rumah mana boleh di-tempatkan or.

ang2 itu.

tion?

Nik Hassan : °Tuan Yang di-Pertua, maksud Bill .


ini ada satu Undang2 main law bersabit dengan rehabilita- Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam uchapan saya tadi, saya sudah bagi tahu is-itu sekarang ini dengan pehak Legal Draf tman dan Kementerian saya sedang menggubal satu undang2 yang lengkap untok menggantikan undang2 yang lima ini, yang ada sekarang.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time, and committed to a Committee of the whole House.
House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.

THE MU!

TSAI (REPEAL) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to repeal certain legislation relating to Mui Tsai" be read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second the motion.


Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid .

Khan: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Undang2 Gadis dan Dara yang di-tunjokkan di-dalam Jadual kapada Undang2 ini, yang sekarang di-bentangkan dalam Dewan ini, telah di-kuat kuasakan sa-belum perang dahulu, bagi mengawal pen- jualan anak2 perempuan yang berumor di-bawah 18 tahun, untok rnaksud menggunakan mereka sa-bagai hamba di-rumah is-itu satu perbuatan yang biasa di-amalkan dalam negeri ini pada awal2 kurun yang kedua puloh.
Gadis2 ini atau pun Mui Tsai, mengi- kut istilah yang di-gunakan oleh orange China, telah di-perolehi dengan jalan pemberian hadiah atau pun pusaka, atau pun dengan jalan tebusan bagi menyelesaikan hutang-piutang.

Sa-telah berpindah milek, anak2 gadis ini biasa-nya di-gunakan sa-bagai orange surohan yang tidak bergaj i dan di-beri sara hidup yang sa-rendah2-nya, bagi perkhidmatan mereka.
Amalan ini telah berjalan sa-hingga lebeh kurang sampai tahun 1932.apabila undang2 telah di-kuatkuasakan bagi menahan pengambilan gadis dara dalam Negeri2 Selat, dalam Negeri2 Melayu Bersekutu, dan negeri2 Johor dan Kedah.

Kemudian Undang2 yang sa-rupa juga telah di-kuatkuasakan di-Kelantan dan Trengganu.
Di-sam- ping tindakan menghapuskan pem- bahagian gadis2 dara ini, undang2 itu juga telah mengadakan berbagai2 sharat bagi pendaftaran gadis2 dara yang telah di-perolehi dengan jalan bagitu dan bagi mengawal akhlak, tuboh badan dan kepentingan mereka.
Dengan ada-nya undang2 ini, bilangan Mui Tsai telah berkurangan dan tidak berapa lama lagi sa-lepas itu, amalan ini telah hapus sama sa-kali Pada masa ini pemerasan perem- puan2 dan gadis2 yang berumor ka- bawah daripada 14 tahun ada-lah di- larang di-bawah kuatkuasa Undang2 Kanak2 dan Orange Muda tahun 1947.

Sementara itu penambahan dan per- niagaan gadis2 dan perempuan2 untok maksud pelachoran pula, ada-lah di- tegah di-bawah kuatkuasa Penal Code dan Undang2 Perlindon^an Perempuan2 dan Gadis2.
Undang2 Gadis Dara yang di-nyatakan di-dalam Jadual kapada 1333 22 DECEMBER 1965 1334 Rang Undang2 ini telah lapok dan lama dan tidak berguna lagi.

Dan oleh itu mustahak-lah di-mansokhkan.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time, and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Fund.

The amendment proposed in this Bill is, therefore, necessary to bring the Employment Ordinance into line with the Employees Provident Fund Ordi- nance and to facilitate inspection and enforcement of both the laws.

Dato' J. E. S. Crawford: Mr Presi- dent, Sir, I would like to ask the Minister of Labour if he considers that this is really practicable.

Can he enforce it?

To my knowledge, Sir, there is something like 250,000 small- holders, a .
large number of whom employ one person on what is known as `bagi dua' system.

Does he really think that these people will keep a register, Sir,?

I wonder if he could Bill reported without amendment: elucidate on that.

Thank you.

read the third time and passed.

THE EMPLOYMENT (AMEND- MENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled, "an Act to amend the Employment Ordi- nance, 1955" be read a second time.
Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, this Bill seeks to amend Sub-section (1) of Section 61 of the Employment Ordinance, 1955.

By virtue of this amendment, every employer employing even one labourer has to maintain a register or registers containing such information regarding every labourer in his employ as may be prescribed by regulations made under this Ordinance.
As it now stands, Sub-section (1) of Section 61 of the Employment Ordi- nance requires only employers employing five or more labourers to maintain such registers.

There is, there- fore , some difficulty in enforcing the provisions of the Employment Ordi- Enche' V. Manickavasagam: Sir, it is the intention to enforce this law and that is why we have brought the law, Sir.
Nik Hassan : Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya faham pertanyaan Dato' Crawford itu pada segi Undang2 ini, termasok barangkali juga orange yang hekerja sa-bagai pawah, bukan buroh yang bergaji di-estate.

Ma`ana-nya pekerja2 yang menoreh getah yang berpawah dengan tuan kebun itu, ada-kah di-kira di-bawah Undang2 ini, mesti tuan kebun itu registerkan sa-bagaimana small-holders.

Saya i ngat itu patut di- fahamkan.


Enche' V. Manickavasagam: Sir, this law would apply to those who come under the definition of "labourer", except those who are employed as domestic servants, and to enforce this, of course, people who are employing even one person, will have to keep the E.P.F.

contribution slips so that we could be in a position to check.

Enche' Athi Nahappan : Mr Presi-.

nance in places of employment where dent, Sir, if I remember correctly, the there are less than five labourers.
definition of "labourer" in the Employ- Besides this, the existing provision is ment Ordinance relates to manual also not in line with the Employees Provident Fund Ordinance, the Second Schedule of which has been amended on 1st December, 1964, making it obligatory for an employer employing even one employee to contribute to the work, I think, and it provides an exception in so far as the domestic servants are concerned.
I am wondering whether in the case of a gardener, say a full-time gardener, who does manual work in the garden, is he to be treated 1.335 22 DECEMBER 1965 1336 as a domestic servant .

or a manual labourer, and if so whether he is covered by this?

Enche' V. Manickavasagam : Sir, if the gardener is employed in the house- hold, he becomes a domestic servant.

But if he is in a company where he receives his salary from a company establishment, then he comes under the Employment Ordinance.
He does not get exception.

But, Sir, all the same, if the domestic servant opts to con- tribute, the employer has to contribute under the amended E.P.F.

Ordinance.

Dato' J. E. S. Crawford : On a point of clarification, can the Minister defi- nitely say whether he expects all small-holders in this country to keep a register?

That is the question I am asking on behalf of the small-holders who form part of the Rubber Produ- cers Council, and I am very sure they will be interested to know, Sir.

Thank you.
Thank you.

Enche' V. Manickavasagam : I think they will have to keep these E.P.F.

.

contribution slips which we would be using for inspection purposes.

Enche' Athi Nahappan: The Honourable Minister just now said, "if the domestic servant opts to con- tribute".

Is this question of option purely unilateral or is it mutual?

In other words, if the domestic servant says, "I want to contribute", is the employer obligated to contribute or can he say "I do not agree"?
Enche' V. Manickavsagam: The employer has to.

It is obligatory.

Dato' J. F. S. Crawford : On further point of clarification The Minister has just said that they have to keep the E.P.F.

slips.

May I take it, Sir, that that can act as a register?

En^he' V. Manick vasagam: Yec, Sir.

The E.P.F.

contribution slips, if they can keep it for six months, we take it as a sort of register.

Enche' A thi Nqhar►ncun: On a point of clarification, Sir What kind of a register is a person expected to keep?
Enche' V. Manickavasagam: In certain establishments at the moment, there are already registers kept by employers for wage purposes.

Where we find that, under the new Ordinance, even one person has been brought into this E.P.F.

contribution, we allow employers to keep these E.P.F.

contri- butory receipts for proof of record.

Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sukachita hendak menyatakan saya menyokong Bill mi.
Tetapi sukachita saya hendak ber- cha&ap sadikit, kerana Biil ini di-buat bagi membe;a kepentingan buroh, di- dasarkan kapada tiap2 majikan mesti contribute membayar bahagian pro- vident fund-nya.
Oleh kerana Bill ini di-maksudkan bagi pembelaan nasib buroh, saya ingin mengetahui bagai- mana ranchangan Kerajaan tidak ada- kah di-fikirkan tentang nasib buroh j uga mengena soal2 ini, is-itu sa-orang buroh, mithal-nya, kata lima orang buroh bekerja dengan satu majikan majikan itu mesti mendaftarkan dan dia itu mesti contribute bagi provident fund.
Tetapi kalau sa-orang daripada buroh yang di-daftarkan itu kemudian- nya, saperti yang telah terjadi dalam negeri kita ini, ada orange yang telah membayar provident fund, kemudian itu dia berhenti kerja, dan dia sudah meniaga, sampai sekarang 100,00 lebeh, ruling perniagaan itu sedang berjalan, dan menyimpan 50 labourers pula yang dia membayar provident fund contribute pula.
Sedanukan duit dia yang ada dalam provident fund itu tidak pernah di-dapati balek, dan memang ti dak berhak dia dapat balek kerana tiua sebab tadi yang boleti niendapatkan balek wang ifu.

Jadi tidak-lah di-fikirkan oleh Keraiaan dalam membuat sa-barang undang2 biar flexible.

Kalau undang2 itu tidak flexible, erti-nya mesti kaku, dia tidak ada memberi erti apa.

Dan saya harap Kerajaan harus memikirkan ju2a masaalah ini dari sudut kepentingan buroh itu sendiri.
Enche' V. Manickavasaj!am: Mr President, Sir, fiat of a11.

this is out- side the scone of this Bill; that comes under the E.P.F.

Ordinanc°.

Sir, the purpose of the E.P.F.

Ordinance is 1337 22 DECEMBER 1965 1338 Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand sa-bagai pegawai.

for old-age and as the Honourable Member just said , it is only for four reasons that they can withdraw.
He says, if I get him correctly } that certain people who have been contributing may become employers themselves and employing more workers themselves.

But, Sir, we also know of cases where people employ labourers today and they are themselves employed the day after tomorrow .

So, if we allow people to withdraw, I am sure there would be a lot of synthetic employers (Laughter.)

Question put and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.
House immediately resolves itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.

THE CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETIES (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Co-operative Societies Ordinance, 1948" be read a second time.

the motion.
the motion.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Tan Yang di-Pertua, Undang2 Sharikat Kerjasama, semenjak berja- Ian kuat-kuasa-nya dalam tahun 1948 dahulu lagi, di-dapati perlu di-buat beberapa pindaan berda.sarkan kapada pengalaman2 yang telah di-pero'_ehi dan kapada kemajuan2 Sharikat Kerjasama sekarang mi.
Beberapa kesulitan2 t&ah di-hadapi dalam men- jalankan peratoran2 dalam Undang2 Sharikat Kerjasama tahun 1948 ter- utama sa-kali di-^ebabkan &eh tidak chukun kuasa yang di-berikan kapada Pendaftar Sharikat2 Kerjasama dan ketiadaan peratoran yang memboleh- kan tindakan di-ambil ka-atas bekas2 Pegawai Sharikat yang telah melaku- kan kechurangan.
Dengan ada-nya Fasal 4, 8, 9 dan 10 itu, maka Pendattar telah di-beri kuasa tambahan yang mana amat-lah perlu bagi menjatankan peratoran2 Undang2 dengan lebeh berkesan.
Dan dengan ada-nya Fasal 7 dan 12 pula, maka bekas2 pegawai sa-barang Sharikat Kerjasama yang berdaf tar, saperti yang di-terangkan dalam Fasal 2, boleh-lah di-samara oleh Pendaf tar atau sa-barang orang yang di-tugaskan oleh-nya untok memberi keterangan2 mengenai semua pelaksanaan2 dan urusan2 yang telah di-j alankan oleh- nya dan pegawai2 tersebut akan bertanggong-j awab di-atas sa-barang peianggaran peratoran2 Undang2 ini atau perentah2 yang terkanun di- bawah-nya yang tellah di-lakukan oleh mereka sa-masa memegang jawatan Sekshen 30 dallam Undang2 lama di-pinda dengan .cheraian dan dengan itu maka boleh-lah pinj aman2 di-beri- kan kapada kakitangan2 yang bekerja dalam sa-sabuah Sharikat Kerjasama.
Ini ada-lah di-fikirkan sa-bagai satu perkhidmatan yang hares di-perluas- kan kapada pekerja2 saperti tersebut.

Cheraian 6 meminda dan menugas sa-mula Sekshen 37 yang memboleh- kan keuntongan2 berseh sa-buah Sharikat Kerjasama di-bahagi2kan mengikut ketetapan2 yang terkandong da :am Sekshen 34(2), tetani sa-belum sa-barang pembahagian itu di-buat, maka sa-jumlah wang saperti yang di-tetapkan dalam Sekshen 34(1) yang baharu, hendak-lah di-pindahkan dari- pada keuntongan berseh itu ter'ebeh.

dahulu.
dahulu.

Sekshen 58 dalam Undang2 lama di-perkemaskan dengan Cheraian 12 dan dengan itu akan dapat mem- perhebatkan hukuman yang akan di-j alankan.

Enche' Athi Nahappan : Mr Pre- sident, Sir, in welcoming this Bill, I should like to make certain observations.
As the Exp'anatory Note states the various amendments sounht to the present Ordinance and the reasons 1339 22 DECEMBER 1965 1340 therefor, I shall not go into them, but tually this might lead to the society I should like to draw the attention being nose-led, too much paternalism of the Honourable Minister to some of might come in, and the spirit of self- the amendments and ask for some reliance on the part of the societies assurances which are necessary in my may be infringed, and the societies opinion.
In regard to Clause 3 of the Bill, it enabies anyone to appeal against the refusal of the Registrar within may not cultivate the self-reliance attitude.

I hope some clarification can be given on these.

The co-operative officer should not two months.

The present provision is be expected to go and control and one month.

The present provision is manage the affairs of co-operative stated in section 7 of the Ordinance.
I should like to ask whether, when the refusal is made, the grounds of the refusal would be made known to the parties concerned, so that when the application or appeal is made to the Minister, the appellant will have all the grounds of refusal and he can meet the case by stating the necessary defence.

If simply a blanket refusal is given without stating the reasons, very often the appellant is at a loss and he may not be able to meet the case effectively.
societies, thereby almost killing the autonomous spirit of the societies.

Since it is a new provision, I would solicit an explanation here, so that it will serve as guidance to the societies hereafter.

As regards Clause 5, this again is a new addition in that loans may be made to the employees i.e.

employees should have this luxury of receiving loans from the societies, if they are not members.

Under this provision, an employee need not be a member to receive benefits from the society.
I As regards Clause 4, there is a new should have thought that the society's provision being introduced as section main purpose is to help its members.

An 11A to the present Ordinance.

Under employee may be an employee today this every registered society shall give and he may some time later resign and to the Registrar notice of all meetings.

go elsewhere.
go elsewhere.

Is it safe to lend him The words "all meetings" here cover, I imagine, every type of meeting Committee meetings, Sub-committee meetings, whatever kind of meetings.

If a society is required to give notice of all meetings, then how many days notice is necessary, i.e.

how many days notice before a meeting is held, should be given to the Registrar?

What kind of notice is to be given oral notice or written notice?
This new provision, again, enables the Registrar or any person authorised by the Registrar to attend the meetings and to take part in the business of the meetings.

This appears to be some- what sweeping.

If he is to take part in the meeting, what is his role, what kind of participation is envisaged by him?

After all, we want the Ministry, the Commissioner of Co-operative Societies, to guide and to enlighten the societies but not to go to the extent of participating in the affairs of the societies.
This would mean that even- money?

After all, he does not bind himself to serve the society indefinitely: and if he goes away, then the society will be in an awkward position of having to take action to recover this money.

On the other hand, a member may be deprived of the benefit to that extent.

I should like to hear the reasons behind this and the principle on this.

It seems to me that this cuts across the basic principle of co-operative societies.
If he wants to seek the benefits of the society by obtaining loan, what is the difficulty in becoming a member or obligated to become a member before he seeks the benefit of the society?

As regards Clause 6, section 34 of the - Principal Ordinance has been repealed and a new provision is intro- duced.

Now, under this the Minister.


not the Registrar, is given powers, and the first part of Clause 6 relating to Section 34 (1) gives a mandatory power to the Minister, that is to have 1341 22 DECEMBER 1965 1342 one-fourth or such lesser sum as the adequately, so as to deem that there Ministry may prescribe shall be carried will be the right of being heard in to a Reserve Fund.

Well, this is as it person.


It merely says that "the is now, except that the Minister takes Registrar may, after considering the over the power.

Then the second part of it seems to intrigue me.

Here- it facts disclosed in an inquiry or inspec- tion under Section 37 and if he deems says "such sum as the Ministry may it necessary in the interest of the from time to time determine shall be paid to any educational institution or society .....
The word "inquiry" may imply that he may have heard the to any co-operative organisation estab- parties concerned, or he may have lished for the furtherance of the co-operative principles, or to both".

This appears to me that all that is made his own departmental inquiry through his Co-operative Officers without actually giving opportunity of needed is for the Minister, whenever being heard to the parties concerned.
he likes, to stipulate a sum, whatever That is what I would like to be the sum is, and then to direct that clarified, so that it will be a guidance sum, be handed over to any educational institution or any co-operative organi- sation .

This seems to give wide power to the Minister -I do not know why and it seems to take away a certain asset of the co-operative society for the benefit, perhaps, of promoting co-operative principles or any co-opera- tive institution.
But it seems such a mandatory provision and I only hope that the Minister' will use such mandatory provision with great caution and discretion.

As regards Clause 8, this again introduces a new section.

Section 37 (A).

It is of- course, both necessary and indeed very sweeping.

It gives the Registrar power to suspend, all or piny of the activities" of the society for such period as he shall specify, or suspend or dissolve the committee of the society.
Now, in this case I hope that, when' it is exercised by the Registrar, the principles of natural justice will be adhered to that .
is to say, that before 'he suspends 'unilate- rally, or dissolves unilaterally, he would give an opportunity of being heard, so that at least the principles of natural justice would be respected; otherwise; if the Registrar is simply going to suspend or dissolve, then the society would be simply left with the remedy of appealing to the Minister, and the appeal to the Minister may be only by way of record and there may not be the advantage of having to appear in person and to meet the case, whatever it is.
The section here, or the Clause here, does not spell it out hereafter.

Again, Clause 8, Sub-clause (6) says "Notwithstanding the foregoing pro- visions the Registrar may by order remove any person or members of the committee or any employee of the society if it is.

in the interests of the society for him to do; and any vacancies created by such removal shall be filled in the 'manner provided in the by-laws of the society."

'Here, the word "inquiry" is absent.


It looks that the Registrar from information received might simply take action of his own accord to remove a member of the committee from his post.
Now, this might be a very serious or drastic action, which might involve not only, perhaps, the livelihood of a person but also the reputation of the person, and, if a person is removed like that, it carries the necessary implications, and before this power is exercised,} It is only fair to expect that a" member of the committee, before he is removed, should be given the opportunity of being heard that is to say the natural principles of justice should be observed.
Sub-clause (7) says that ` , any aggrieved persons may within 21 days appeal to the Minister.

In practice, we know that if an appeal is made to the Minister -- the Minister is` a very diffi- cult person to be seen he may not hear any appeal in person and it is only usually by way of record, and after 'reading the record it is enter- tained or rejected.
So, since this is a very sweeping power, I hope that, when it is exercised, it will be exercised 1343 22 DECEMBER 1965 1344 in great caution, and after making real kuasa kita tidak dapat bayar hutang.

enquiries and after hearing the parties Nanti orang yang di-beri kuasa oleh concerned.

These are the observations Registrar itu di-da`awa di-mahkamah that I would like to make as the powers kerana tak membayar hutang.
Jadi given to the Registrar are very sweeping, and I hope that they will be used with j udical discretion.

Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak bertanya sadikit kapada Menteri yang berkenaan kalau ada Menteri yang boleh jawab dalam Fasal 8, di-beri kuasa kapada Pendaftar supaya mem- bubarkan atau menggantongkan satu2 badan yang di-daftarkan di-bawah Undang2 Co-operative ini dan di-beri kuasa pula kapada Pendaftar boleh melantek orang lain atau badan lain menjalankan society itu.
Itu mengikut Rang Undang2 yang ada mi.

Jadi saya hendak bertanya, sekarang kita katakan-lah ada satu Co-operative Society menjalankan perniagaan-nya dan di•dapati banyak terhutang, rugi, bengkerap, katakan-la.h bengkerap ber- puloh2 ribu, katakan hutang.

Baik !

Apabila Pendaftar ini menyiasat di- dapati nampak-nya Society ini tak boleh berjalan; bila ta' boleh berjalan dia gantongkan atau pun Pendaftar mengambil langkah membuangkan committee itu di-bawah Undang2 ini suspend-kah?
atau dissolvekan committee Society itu, kemudian di- lantek orang lain menjalankan Society committee yang sedia sudah berhenti, sudah di-gantongkan jawatan, di- buangkan darn committee.

Committee yang di-lantek oleh Registrar ini sudah kena da`awa pula kerana tidak mem- bayar hutang.

Jadi ini saya hendak tanya macham mana chara tadbiran itu hendak di-buat.
Kalau sa-kira-nya kita hendak champor hendak mengambil alehkan kuasa mentadbirkan sharikat itu, mesti- lah kita juga mempunyai kuasa, mem- ber wang untok menjalankan sharikat itu untok membaiki sharikat itu.

mi maksud saya.

Barangkali harus-lah tujuan hendak membaiki.

Jadi kalau tujuan hendak membaiki, ada-kah Menteri ini berchadang akan di-beri wang yang chukup untok dapat ber- jalan sa-mula sharikat itu?
Sebab-nya saya tahu hari ini banyak sharikat2 kerjasama ini tak boleh berjalan, rugi-lah macham2 hal-lah berlaku.

Kemudian barangkali harus kalau Undang2 ini berjalan, banyak society atau pun sharikat kerjasama yang akan terpaksa di-gunakan kuat- kuasa mi.

Jadi ini-lah yang saya hendak bertanya sadikit.

Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Ahmad: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tompang itu.

Jadi sekarang ada-kah orang yang mengambil bahagian dalam Rang di-lantek oleh Pendaftar itu boleh Undang2 mi.
Saperti mana yang tuan2 membayar hutang2 yang di-tanggong sedia ma`alum, bahawa tujuan besar- oleh Society itu?

Kalau orang yang nya pindaan ini di-buat is-lah kerana menjalankan kerja yang di-beri kuasa hendak membaiki keadaan perjalanan oleh Pendaftar itu tak boleh membayar Sharikat Kerjasama dan juga hendak hutang, siapa hendak bayarkan hutang meluaskan gerakan-nya supaya dapat itu?
Jadi maksud saya, kita beri kuasa kapada satu orang menjalankan shari- kat itu tetapi kita tidak beri modal dia untok menjalankan sharikat itu jadi ada-kah Pendaftar itu boleh rekomend, ma`ana-nya sharikat ini sudah tak boleh berjalan di-tarekkan kuasa dari- t^ada committee itu dan la ntek orang maju dan Jaya dan beberapa kuasa yang tertentu telah di-beri kapada pehak2 yang berkenaan.
Jadi khusus-nya is-lah dengan di-terima pindaan Undang2 ini, maka pergerakan kerjasama akan ber- gerak maju pada masa hadapan dan tanggong-jawab-nya akan bertambah lebeh daripada yang ada sekarang.

Jadi saya dalam perkara ini, saya lain menjalankan dan ada-kah Regis- hendak minta menarek perhatian trar itu sanggup memberi modal Kementerian yang berkenaan is-itu kapada orang lain untok menjalankan pada masa ini tanggong-jawab Kemen- sharikat itu?
Kalau tidak kita ambit terian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerja- 1345 22 DECEMBER 1965 1346 sama ini chukup-lah luas yang mans ingatan Kerajaan sa-telah dapat kita ini meliputi semua pergerakan2 yang menj alankan satu penyiasatan yang mengandongi atau pun jurusan baha- rapi, Keraj aan akan menghapuskan gian yang mengandongi orange di-luar hutang2 yang lapok yang ada pada hari bandar kemaj uan di-luar bandar, ini?

Sekian, terima kaseh.

khas-nya.


Jadi ada-kah pada masa tidak beberapa lama lagi kita perchaya pergerakan sharikat kerj asama ini macham mana, kata saya tadi, akan bertambah maju dan beberapa tang- gong-jawab akan bertambah.

Jadi ada-kah pada ingatan Kementerian akan menambahkan sa-orang Menteri Muda saperti mana yang ada di- Kementerian Belia, Kebudayaan dan Sokan?

Kerana pada masa ini tidak kurang lima jurusan is-itu Pertanian, Pant dan Taliayer, Kerjasama, Per- ikanan dan Haiwan.
Jadi kalau di-tambahkan sharikat kerj asama ini yang mana akan maju pada masa hadapan, tentu-lah bertambah banyak tanggong-jawab dan kerja2 yang akan di-jalankan.

Sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, pada masa yang lalu, pada tahun ini saya mithalkan, is-itu dalam orange yang bertanggong-jawab bagi memajukan, memberi nasihat dan mentadbir pergerakan Sharikat Kerja- sama ini is-lah Pesurohjaya Kemajuan Kerjasama.
Jadi pada tahun yang lalu dalam masa yang tidak sampai sa- tahun, sampai tiga kali pertukaran, ada-kah sa-telah pindaan ini di-buat, sa-telah Sharikat Kerj asama bertambah maju, pertukaran itu akan berlaku sa-hingga tidak ^empat si-tuan yang mengetuai itu membuat apa2 ran- changan?
Sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, pergerakan Sharikat Kerjasama dengan ini akan bertambah maju pada masa hadapan, tetapi saperti mana yang telah kita ketahui, beberapa halangan telah berlaku dan halangan itu akan di-atasi dengan Rang Undang2 mi.
Jadi satu perkara yang berkait rapat sama dengan maju atau mundor gerakan Sharikat Kerja- sama hari ini kerana ada satu perkara yang telah berakar umbi, yang telah membawa kapada sadikit sa-banyak kegagalan dalam Sharikat Kerjasama ini tentang hutang2 lapok.

Boleh-kah saya mendapat tahu ada-kah pada Dato' Foo See Moi : Mr President, Sir, I would like to get clarification under Clause 4.
After a little discussion with my colleague here, I find that the amendment is to entitle the Registrar to send anybody to attend any meeting and to take part in the business of the meeting.

I would like to ask the Minister whether taking part is actually tantamount to sharing certain respon- sibilities of running the society.

If it is so and the Registrar has the right under the power given under Clause 8 (Section 37A) to take action against the society, then I think that is a little bit conflicting.
I would like the Minis- ter to enlighten me whether taking part in business really means sharing in the discussion of opinions and putting up suggestions, etc.

I have no grudge in giving power to the Registrar, but to take part in the business is sharing the responsibility of running the society.
Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Mr President, Sir, with respect to the observations made by the Honourable Senator Athi Nahappan concerning Clause 3 in respect of grounds for appeal, I would refer him to Rule 7 of the Co-operative Societies Rules which requires that the officer con- cerned must record his ground for coming to a decision.
As regards Clause 4, the number of days in respect of which the notice must be given that is covered again by the Co-operative Societies Rules according to Clause 11, fifteen days' notice must be given.

There are many things concerning meetings and so on which appear in the Co-operative Societies Rules rather than in the main Ordinance for obvious reason because we want a certain amount of flexibility.
As we go along we will remedy the defects, and the easiest way to deal with that will be by regulations, except in matters of very important funda- mental principles.

1347 22 DECEMBER 1965 1348 Clause 5 concerning loans to employees, Mr President, Sir, is really a matter of opinion.

The Government feels that once a person has been employed by a society it should give him some sort of facilities so that he can feel that he really is being looked after by the society.
There is of course the point made by the Honourable Member that the employees themselves should be required to join as members of a society.

I am not sure whether the majority of them do, but we do feel that even if they do not join, they should get this sort of facility as is given in many other employments.

Of course, it is the duty of the Committee concerned to see that the loans will not be given which might prejudice the funds of the society.
Mr President, Sir, Clause 6 of the Bill concerns the disposal of profits.

Actually, there is nothing very much new there, if one compares it with the present provision.
The relevant para- graph which was raised by the Honourable Senator is paragraph (b) of sub-section (1) which says "Such sum as the Minister may from time to time determine shall be paid to any educational institution or to any co- operative organisation established for the furtherance of co-operative principles, or The existing provision, Mr President, to both."
reads- "Any registered society may, with the sanction of the Registrar"-now, with the approval of the Minister-"after one-fourth of the net profits in any year has been carried to a reserve fund, contribute an amount not exceeding ten per centum of the remaining net profits to any chari- table purpose or to a common-good fund."
The purpose of having this new Clause is to have it more specific and also to raise funds for our Co-operative College at Petaling Jaya it is more specific than the existing provision.

That is the advice which we got from the Legal Draftsman.

It is only a matter of wording.


Enche' Athi Nahappan : On a point of clarification, Mr President, Sir Does the Minister mean that this provision under Clause 6 (section 34(1) (b)) is an additional one, because further down the 10% of the net profits provided for charitable also is purposes?
Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Mr President, Sir, we want to be specific like to raise funds for the Co-operative College and I think we have decided that the Minister is the proper person to fix the amount rather than leaving it to the officials.

On Clause 8, both the Honourable Members, Senator Athi Nahappan and also Yang Berhormat Dato' Foo See Moi, have given the opinion that the new Section 37A is rather sweeping and would like some clarification.
Mr President, Sir, in a number of cases we discovered that under the existing legislation, we have no authority whatsoever to suspend or stop the operation of a society, al- though we know for certain that there is no good in continuing the work of the society without drastic changes.

Now under the existing Co-operative Societies Ordinance, we do not have power, and we need that in order to protect the interests of members of the society.
Of course, when the Registrar exercises his power, he will consider all the relevant facts which are dis- closed as a result of inquiry or inspection in accordance with the Ordinance itself.

I agree with the view made by the Honourable Member, Senator Athi Nahappan, that the principles of natural justice should be followed that is so and officers are told to follow that.
In other words, all the officers must give to Committee Members, who are going to be affected, and others also, an opportunity of being heard so as to present their views before a final decision is made.

In regard to Clause 8, sub-clauses (6) and (7) I have already said just now that the principles of natural justice as embodied in Clauses 6 and 7 will be followed.

It is, again, a matter of opinion whether or not the Ministers are difficult to approach.
I think the majority of us, as the Honourable Member knows, are very approachable.

We can be seen almost anywhere, and sometimes we spend most of our time 1349 22 DECEMBER 1965 1350 in the coffee room where we can discuss things unofficially, and I do not agree with his observation that Ministers are difficult to see.
Yang Berhormat Senator Nik Hassan tadi memnta penjelasan, oleh kerana Clause 8 itu memberi kuasa kapada Pendaftar menggantongkan tugas2 atau pun kerja2 sa-sabuah Sharikat Kerja- sama itu, ada-kah mereka itu mem- punyai kuasa juga supaya mendapat modal untok menggantikan modal yang telah hilang.

Sa-benar-nya tidak- lah ada di-sebutkan di-sini apa tujuan Clause itu.
Bala kita nampak satu Sharikat Kerjasama itu berjalan tidak balk dan kita hendak menyelamatkan, maka daripada membiarkan Sharikat Kerjasama itu terus menjadi rosak, maka Pendaftar itu boleh-lah champor tangan, dan jikalau di-fikirkan-nya patut, boleh-lah menggantongkan kerja2 Sharikat Kerjasama itu.

Jikalau fund sharikat itu telah hilang, jika ada orang yang bersalah mengenai kehilangan wang itu, nmaka tindakan sa-wajar-nya patut di-ambil.
Tidak-lah `adil, mithal-nya, kalau Kerajaan atau pun ra`ayat sakalian, jika empat lima orang telah meng- ambil fund sharikat itu kemudian lari dan sa-terus-nya, kemudian Kerajaan mesti memberi wang untok membantu Sharikat Kerjasama itu.

Jadi yang demikian itu tidak `adil.

Pegawai2 yang bersalah akan di-tudoh menja- lankan Sharikat Kerjasama di-bawah Clause 8. hendak melantek sa-orang Menteri Muda untok membantu Menteri yang berkenaan dan menjalankan tugas2 mengenai, terutama sa-kali Sharikat Kerjasama.
Masaalah itu ada-lah ter- pulang kapada Tengku Perdana Menteri sendiri dan tidak-lah soya dapat memberi jawapan di-sini ada-kah di-kehendaki sa-orang Menteri Muda.

Itu-lah saya katakan tadi di-bawah Perlembagaan kita, privilege melantek sa-saorang Menteri Muda itu ada-lah di-tangan Tengku Perdana Menteri.

Sekian-Iah sahaja agak-nya penerangan yang dapat saya berikan.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.
House immediately resolved itself in- to a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 13 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment; read the third time and passed.
THE NATIONAL LAND REHA- BILITATION AND CONSOLIDA- TION AUTHORITY (INCORPO- RATION) BILL Second Reading Sa-benar-nya telah di-nyatakan di- sini dengan terang dalam Fasal 8 Sekshen 37A, sub-section 4 dalam Undang2 lama yang berbunyi demikian "a person so appointed shall not be liable to the society or any member thereof or to any person for any act done by him in good faith".
Tuas2 Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to incorporate the National Land Rehabilitation and Consolidation Authority to be charged with the res- pon^ibility for the rehabilitation and development of any areas within the States of Malaya" be read a second dia is-lah membantu sharikat kerja- time.

sama itu.
sama itu.

Jikalau ada anal kesalahan yang telah lalu dan boleh di-hukum salah atau pun tidak, pegawai itu akan bertangong-jawab atas ana yang telah di-buat oleh mereka dahulu.

Ahli Yang Berhormat, Enche' Wan Abdul Rahman, kalau saya tidak salah, bertanya, jika Kerajaan berhajat Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, I beg to second the motion.
Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam bulan Ogos tahun 1964, Kerajaan Per- ikatan telah mengambil keputusan untok menubohkan satu Lembaga yang 1351 22 DECEMBER 1965 1352 sekarang ini kita gelarkan Lembaga persetujuan Dewan ini_ dan juga dengan Pemu4ehan dan Penyatuan Tanah.
Dan undang2 ini berjalan kuat-kuasa-nya, hasil keputusan ini, is-lah Rang kita akan mulakan tugas2 ini pada Undang2 ini, dan sa-benar-nya per- setujuan daripada National Land Council, pada prinsip-nya, telah pun kita terima mengenai Rang Undang2 ini.

Sa-bagaimana yang kita ketahui, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tuj uan utama Ranchangan Malaysia Yang Pertama is-lah untok menambahkan pendapatan pendudok2 di-uar Bandar di-seiuroh Malaysia mi.
Ada berbagai2 chara dan jalan yang boeh di-buat untok menchapai chita2 ini, antara-nya termasok-lah mem- perluaskan Ranchangan2 Pertanian, menggunakan pelajaran dewasa bagi menyibarkan pengetahuan2 pertanian, melipat gandakan penyiasatan bagi menambah hasil pertanian, memper- baiki a'at2 pemasaran dan lain2 lagi.
Kebanyakan langkah2 yang te:ah di- -j alankan oleh Keraj aan chuma dapat kita ketahui atau nampak hasi-nya da'am beberapa tahun yang akan datang, tetapi banyak lagi ra`ayat2 kita daam negeri ini, terutama sa-kali ra`ayat yang dudok di-luar bandar, yang menghendakkan bantuan yang segera.
Dan ini-lah tujuan Rang Undang2 ini untok menubohkan lembaga dan lembaga ini untok ber- tanggong-jawab pada pertama ka/i-nya bukan daripada segi penyatuan tanah tetapi pemulehan tanah, supaya kita dapat membantu mereka yang mem- punyai tanah yang telah tidak di-guna- kan untok berchuchok tanam o'eh kerana berbagai2 sebab, kita bo'.eh membantu mereka itu dengan kerja- sama Keraj aan Negeri dan j uga kerj a- sama mereka yang mempunyaI tanah2 itu.
Di-da _am Ranchangan Malaysia Yang Pertama itu telah di-peruntokkan untok Lembaga ini wang sa-banyak $20,030,000 dan Dewan Ra`ayat telah pun meluluskan sa-banyak $4,000,000 bagi Lembaga ini menialankan tugas2- nya di-da1am tahun 1966.

Saya pada masa ini sedang berun- ding hendak menchari pe^awai untok bertanggon^-jawab mentadbirkan lem- baga ini dan jika saya dapat da'am sa-minggu dua ini, saya harap, dengan awal tahun 1966 bulan Januari atau pun bu^an Februari, jadi dengan s.a-berapa chepat mungkin.
Dengan Rang Undang2 ini juga, menerusi lembaga ini, " kita dapat membantu Kerajaan Negeri da^am masaalah menja:ankan Ranchangan2 Tanah Pinggir.

Di-mana tanah pinggir patut kita bantu bagi Keraj aan Negeri men- jalankan-nya, kita bo_eh menyeleng- garakan perkara itu.

Peru saya tegaskan di-sini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, is-itu pengalaman kita dalam masaalah ini sangat2-lah kurang.

Oleh sebab demikian, pada per- mulaan2-nya, maka banyak-lah penyia- satan2 yang akan di-ja:ankan.
Saya bersukachita menerangkan di-sini bahawa Lembaga Kemaj uan Tanah Persekutuan telah pun bersetuju untok memberi sega'a kerjasama dengan lembaga yang akan kita tuboh mi.

Dengan hal yang demikian saya harap- lah Ahli2 Yang Berhormat saka±ian akan dapat mempersetujui supaya Rang Undang2 ini di-:uluskan.

Terima kaseh.
Terima kaseh.

Nik Ha3san bin Haji Nik Yahya: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, da'am menyo- kong Rang Undang2 ini, Saya minta pehak MMenteri yang berkenaan, apa- bi'a lu'us sahaja Rang Undang2 ini, mengambil satu langkah yang segera untok menyiasat ra`ayat yang ada di- kawaan Ulu Kelantan.
la-itu mereka yang di-pindahkan masa dharurat dahulu dari kampong2 yang jauh itu dan di-be«i tanah di-tempat2 yang mereka di-kumpulkan, tetapi mereka itu tidak mempunyal modal untok menanam getah atau nun tanaman yang layak di-atas tanah2 yang di-beri- kan oleh Keraj aan itu.

Mereka ini is-'_ah mereka yang kena pindah sa- ma "a dharurat masa kominis dalam tahun 1948 itu.

Jadi,.
saya rasa, mereka ini sangat- lah berkehendak kapada perto1ongan, kerana kebanyakan daripada mereka ini orang miskin yang susah menderita meningga'kan kamoong halaman mereka sa-hingga ternaksa men ga'ami masa yang sangat pahit sa-ka:i. Jadi 1353 22 DECEMBER 1965 1354 apabila berj alan-nya lembaga ini, saya minta-lah satu pandangan yang istimewa daripada Menteri yang ber- kenaan supaya menghantarkan pegawai bagi menyiasat kedudokan mereka yang ramai ini supaya di-ambil satu2 langkah yang sesuai menyegerakan pertolongan kapada mereka itu.
Sekian sahaj a, terima kaseh.

Dato' Haji Mohamed Noah bin Omar: Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya kita hanya dapat menjalankan tugas2 ini tadi dengan kebenaran Kerajaan Negeri.

Kita tidak dapat menarohkan perkataan shall di-sana, kerana jika kita buat demikian, memaksa Kerajaan Negeri harus ini akan bertentang dengan Perlembagaan.

Kerana Perlem- bagaan telah menentukan bahawa masaalah itu ada-lah masaalah Kera- jaan Negeri.
Perkara ini telah di-nyatakan dengan hendak bertanya sadikit sahaja ber- panjang lebar-nya oleh yang Amat kenaan Rang Undang2 ini is-itu di- Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri dalam Clause 5 (2) (e).

Masaalah di-sini berkenaan dengan kalimah "may permit the National Land Rehabilita- di-Dewan Ra`ayat ya`ani kita tidak jangka bahawa Kerajaan Negeri akan bersikap tidak mahu bekerj asama tion and Consolidation Authority".
dalam masaalah ini kerana ranchangan Ada-lah masaalah tanah ini masaalah ini akan menguntongkan ra`ayat dalam State, selalu biasa-nya kalau State ini negeri.

Dan apabila menguntong bukan main chemburu lagi akan kuasa2 ra ayat dalam negeri, dengan sa-chara yang ada pada-nya.

Jikalau Lembaga langsong atau pun tidak langsong, akan ini hendak menjadikan satu kawasan di- menguntongkan ra`ayat di-dalam negeri bawah jagaan-nya dan Kerajaan Negeri ini j uga.
Sa-bagaimana saya telah tidak bersetuj u, bagaimana akan j adi- nya?

Sebab di-sini nampak-nya tidak boleh memaksa Keraj aan Negeri mem- nyatakan tadi, Rang Undang2 ini telah pun kita nyatakan kapada National Land Council, dan National Land benarkan dengan sebab kalimah "may" Council itu bersetuju.
Jadi ini bererti di-gunakan, jikalau di-gunakan "shall" bahawa Kerajaan Negeri semua-nya, ma`ana-nya terpaksa-lah pehak Kera- termasok-lah Kerajaan Negeri Kelan- jaan Negeri itu memberikan kebenaran- tan, menyokong Rang Undang2 mi.

nya.

Tetapi oleh sebab dengan ada-nya kalimah "may" itu boleh jadi ada Kerajaan Negeri besok kata dia ini tanah hak dia, Kerajaan Negeri ada berkuasa atas tanah; takdir-nya kalau dia tidak membenarkan bagitu apa akan jadi pada masa akan datang?
Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, masaalah yang di-timbulkan oleh Yang Berhormat Senator Nik Hassan tadi akan kita kaj ikan dan pertimbangan yang sa- waj ar-nya akan kita ben.

Tidak-lah saya berjanji bahawa Lembaga ini boleh membantu mereka itu dengan segera.
Perkara itu akan di-kaj ikan dan saya akan mengarah Kementerian saya berhubong dengan segera-nya dengan Yang Berhormat ini memberi Dengan yang demikian kita berharap memang ada kerjasama yang penoh akan di-beri oleh tiap2 Kerajaan Negeri kapada Lembaga mi.

Question put and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.


(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 14 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : butir2 lain lagi jika di-kehendaki kelak.

read the third time and passed.

Masaalah Clause 5 (2) (e) ini sa- benar-nya-lah, tetapi, yang tepat sa-kali is-lah masaalah Clause 4.
Clause 4 ini menyatakan bagaimana yang telah di- terangkan oleh Yang Berhormat Senator Dato' Haji Noah tadi, is-itu THE SOCIETIES BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act amend and consolidate the 1355 22 DECEMBER 1965 1356 law relating to registration of societies" be read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, I beg to second the motion.
The Minister of Lands and Mines (Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub): Mr President, Sir, I hope you and Honourable Members will bear with me, if I give a bit lengthy explanation in respect of this Bill.

The object of this Bill is to amend and consolidate the three Societies Ordinances now in force in the States of Malaya, Sarawak and Sabah.
While the three Societies Ordinances are in force in Malaysia, a society proposing to operate throughout Malaysia is required to be registered separately in Malaya, in Sarawak and in Sabah as if these three territories are separate and sovereign States.

This situation is obviously unsatisfactory.

There is, therefore, the need for legislation on societies in accord with present day Malaysia.

Mr President, Sir, an important amendment has been made to the existing Ordinances.
The number of members constituting a society has been reduced from ten to seven.

Honourable Members may be assured that there is no sinister purpose in amending this provision of the law.

The real purpose is to keep societies in line with trade union, which are organisations of at least seven em- ployers or workmen each.

The English law on friendly societies also provides that a friendly society must consist of at least seven persons.
In Clause 5, Mr President, Sir, the Minister charged with responsibility for the registration of societies may, in his discretion, declare unlawful any society which is being used for the purpose prejudical to the security of the Federation, public order or morality.

This provision is not inconsistent with the provision of the Constitution relating to freedom of expression, assembly and association.

I must also clarify that this provision is not new.
The same provision exists as section 16 in the Societies Ordinance of the States of Malaya, as section 18 in the Societies Ordinance of Sarawak and as section 5 in the Societies Ordinance of Sabah.

Thus far, there has been no sugges- tion at all that the Minister has arbitrarily exercised his discretion in dissolving any society.

This provision is necessary to enable the Government to take immediate action where a society is being used for the purpose of endangering the security of this country.
In Clause 6, sub-clause (2), Mr Pre- sident, Sir, it is provided that until a society is registered it may not take part in any activity.

It can be appre- ciated that after a society has applied for registration a little time is required to investigate into the real purpose of the society.

During this period the society may not take part in any activity without the permission of the Registrar.

In a vernacular society this permission is generally given.
I should also add that this is also not a new provision.

It is in the three Societies Ordinances now in force in Malayasia.

Part II of the Bill makes further and better provisions for the control of mutual benefit organisations which hitherto are known as "death benefit societies".

In rural areas and in new villages the spirit of mutual help and good neighbourliness still prevails.

Mutual benefit societies operating there do no more than pass a hat round whenever death occurs amongst mem- bers.
The societies do not pose any problem to the Administration.

The provisions of Part II of the Bill will apply to those death benefit societies operating in the towns.

Existing societies are, therefore, free to continue operations, if they do not pay more than $600 for one death, if they will not admit as members persons above the age of 55 years and if they confine their operation to the town or village in which they are situated.
The maximum amount of benefit is fixed at $600, because this amount is sufficient as the funeral expenses of one deceased member.
The upper age limit for the admission 1357 22 DECEMBER 1965 1358 of members is placed at 55 years, because records in the possession of the Registrar of Societies show that the average life expectancy of persons of the age of 55 years, who join mutual benefit societies is eight years and in those eight years a member contri- buting, say, $1 per month will have paid up only $96 to the societies and all societies assure the payment of a minimum sum of $100.
The area of operation of a death benefit society is confined to a village or town, so that members can in fact practise mutual helpfulness.

On the other hand, if any society is able to submit a benefit scheme which has been certified by a qualified actuary as sound and equitable, then such a society may pay higher benefits and operate in a wider area.

It may be realised that a mutual benefit society assuring the payment of benefit on death is in effect carrying on the business of a life insurance.
Any mutual benefit society wishing to operate in a big way is at liberty to do so by incorpo- rating itself as an insurance company under the Insurance Act.

Honourable Members are aware of the crimes of violence, robberies and kidnapping that are being committed by secret society members.

To stamp out these crimes and ruthless secret societies, more severe punishment must be meted out to members of these societies.
Penalties for being members or office bearers of unlawful societies, or for allowing secret societies on pre- mises have therefore been enhanced Under Clause 50, a society may not adopt or display any flag, symbol, emblem, badge or insignia without the permission of the Registrar of Societies.

These provisions are aimed at pre- venting societies from using secret societies' flags, emblems or insignia.
Secret societies adopt insignia so as to identify their members and to enable members to recognise each other.

This provision will also serve to prevent the use of flag and emblem similar to those used by the Communist.

The only two new provisions in Part III of the Bill are: (1) A member or office bearer of a registered society misusing the money or property of the society may be ordered by the Sessions Court to deliver the property or to repay the money improperly applied to the trustees of the society.
Any person failing to comply with the order of the Court shall be guilty of an offence.

(2) Penalties for fraud, or false declaration, in connection with documents of a registered society are laid down in Clause 54.
Mr President, Sir, apart from the several Clauses in Part II and the two in Part III that I have just mentioned, which are new provisions, this Bill, as explained in the Statement attached to it, is in fact a repeal and the re-enact- ment of the existing laws relating to the registration of societies.

Thank you, Sir.

Enche' Athi Nahappan : Mr Pre- sident, Sir, in welcoming this Bill, I would like to seek some clarification.
Under Clause 5 of the Bill, the Minis- ter is given absolute discretion to declare a society unlawful in the interest of the security of the Federa- tion.

Absolute power is granted to the Minister in so far as this condition alone ghat is, if it is prejudicial or incompatible with the interest and security of the Federation, or any part thereof.
It seems to me that the Minis- ter has no discretion outside this particular state of affairs, and that if discretion is to be exercised for any other ground under Clause 7 in respect of registration, the Registrar can refuse registration.

Sir, under Clause 7, sub-clause (2), the Registrar has discretion to refuse registration under certain grounds.
Then, under sub-clause (3) he is given mandatory power to refuse registra- tion-it says here, "shall refuse, where it appears to him that such a local society is unlawful under the provision of this Act or any other written law, or is likely to be used for unlawful purpose or any purpose prejudicial to or incompatible with peace, welfare, good order or morality of the Federa- 1359 22 DECEMBER 1965 1360 tion;".
This particular paragraph is very wide, as it says, "peace, welfare, good order or morality of the Federation".

Therefore, I only hope that under both these provisions, the principles of natural justice will be adhered to as far as possible.

Sir, under Clause 18, provision is made for appeal within thirty days of the decision of the Registrar, and the appeal may be had to the Minister, whose decision shall be final.
In this regard, I hope that the grounds of the decision will be sufficiently recorded to enable proper representations to be made.

Now, I come to Section 2 of the Schedule which reads: "Where a society is of a political nature, the constitution or rules thereof shall, in addition to matters enumerated in paragraph.
I, provide that- (a) every member of the society, every officer performing executive functions in such society and every adviser, other than a legal adviser, shall be Federal citizens; and (b) every member shall have a right to vote and shall be eligible to hold office in the committee or governing body in the society."
This means, and I am subject to correction, that any particular political party hereafter, under this Ordinance, shall have members only who are Federal citizens, and that a non-Federal citizen, however long he has lived in this country, or who is a potential waiting for his residential qualification to be completed, shall not be allowed to become a member of any political party.

I am wondering in such a case whether a political party can have an associate member, who is not a Federal citizen.
For instance, in the case of a person waiting to be registered as a citizen, because he lacks a year or two in residential qualification and he has intention of remaining in the country, he does not want to leave and he wants to become an associate member, is his associate membership the same as a member if he becomes one?
An asso- ciate member has not even the right to vote and is not given the right to stand for election to any office, but he may be given the right to express himself and take part in meetings, probably, as an observer and so on, without the right to vote.
In such a case, would he be caught by the definition of a member under the Schedule because of the limited role he plays, even though in the meeting he may express an opinion and would he be considered as a non-member but only as an associate, thereby getting outside the orbit of this section?
I would like to ask this because I know that a number of political parties do have associate members and a number of political parties do have members, who are not strictly Federal citizens but who are potential Federal citizens.

Now, Sir, I saw during election time that many people were being used.

We have, of course, the Election Ordinance which says who can be an agent, who can be a canvasser and so on, and that only Federal citizens can play these roles.
However, there are many ways, where a person can take part in on election campaign without holding nominal offices, in which case I would like to know whether he will be caught by this Ordinance and whether prosecution will be made, because it is very important that this thing should be clearly borne in mind by all political parties, and one way or the other we should get clear directions, so that political parties can take them as guidance and observe them strictly.

Thank you, Sir.
Thank you, Sir.

Wan Mustapha bin Haji Wan Ali: Mr President, Sir, I agree with the Honourable Senator Athi Nahappan that this is an important Bill.

In fact, in my personal opinion, I think that this is the most important Bill since we have been sitting here after tea time.

Sir, I welcome the purpose of this Bill, which is that Sarawak, Sabah and Malaya will have one Act and there will not be separate Acts regarding the registration of societies.
However, Sir what concerns me is Clause 5 of the Bill which has been touched on by Senator Athi Nahappan, and I am rather concerned in that 1361 22 DECEMBER 1965 1362 wording was not indentical to section ately inserted in this Clause in to give 16 of the present Ordinance.

Having heard what Senator Athi Nahappan has stated , I am getting worried, because the wording of the Clause has by itself , and without reference to any Act and in my opinion, very wide power .
As long as absolute power is being given to a Minister, as long as absolute power, absolute discretion , which is given to the Minister , is confined to, say, any Society which , in his opinion , is being used for purposes prejudicial to or incompatible with the interest of security, public order or morality, then of course there is no need for us to worry.
But having read carefully Cause 5-it says , "It shall be lawful for the Minister in his absolute dis- cretion ....."-I do not mind saying that I do not very much like the word "absolute" -I am sure that the Honourable the Minister would agree with me that even the word "discre- tion", and sometimes the word "absolute " could be abused .

I am not proposing to say that the Minister should abuse his power, but discretion sometimes could be exercised not judiciously.
In Clause 5 you are saying that the Minister in his absolute dis- cretion by order to declare unlawful any society or branch or class or des- crintion of any societies which in his opinion ...." In other words, if the Minister is of the opinion, his own opinion, then he has got absolute dis- creion to declare any society as unlawful, and after that all he has to do is to publish in the Gazette that is under sub-section (2) which says, "An order made under this section shall be published in the Gazette and shall operate to cancel immediately the registration of any such society" and "society", under the Interpretation Clause, page 2 of the Bill is defined as "includes any club , company, partnership or association of seven or more persons whatever its nature or object" in other words , it mitrht include any society or any political party.
There is an absolute discretion here.

Sir, I would like to have some clarification from the Honourable Minister .

The wording here , deliber- absolute power to the Minister, so that there is no appeal at all to the Federal Court or High Court.
This is not constitutional , because normally in any legislation , when there is power given to a Minister, where he can exercise his discretion , and if the aggrieved person finds that the Ministry, or the Minister, has not exercised his discre- tion judiciously, or if he has exercised his discretion unfairly, prejudicially, or biasedly or improperly , then he can of course go to the Court and ask the learned Judge for declaration that the discretion was wrong 'y exercised.
But by having the words "absolute discretion", I fear that if a person takes the matter to Court , the Attorney - General, who is always defending the Minister, will say that the Minister has got absolute power, absolute discretion, to declare this society as an unlawful one.

I do not think there is any appeal because if you turn to Clause 1$ of this Bill, it will be seen that it provides for an appeal to the Minister .
Clause 18 reads : "Any local society , office-bearer or member of such local society who is aggrieved by the decision of the Regsitrar in the followinn cases" then paragraphs (a), (b), (c), (d), (e), (f), (.g); and then at the end, "may, within thirty days from the date of the decision of the Registrar, appeal anainst the decision to the Minister;".

What happens in the case where you want to appeal against the decision of the Minister himself?
I am afraid by giving absolute Dower , absolute dis- cretion, to the Minister , one cannot appeal.

No doubt, the Honourable the Minis- ter states that this does not conflict with the Perlembagaan , because under the Constitution there is freedom of association .

But if under Clause 5, power is given to the Minister, a power so wide, and he exercises it wrong'y, then of course it might conflict with the freedom of association as granted under the Constitution .
It is quite all right for the Minister to say that Ministers are all honourable men, and they will not abuse it.

But what is the guarantee ?

Is there a guarantee to safeguard our freedom , because we 1363 22 DECEMBER 1965 1364 belong to clubs?

We might not be politicians and might belong to certain clubs and, for reasons unknown, the Minister might declare that such and such a club is unlawful.

Then where can we appeal?


Sir, I would not like to take up more of the time of the House, as we have been sitting rather late but I would be grateful if the Minister would kindly reply to the points I have raised under Clause 5 of this Bill.

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Mr President, Sir, as usual, I find it difficult to follow the argument of the Honourable Senator Wan Mustapha, because, as we lawyers call it, it is only a crab-tree type of argument it is not to the point.
He usually beats around the bush before he comes to the point he wants to raise.

I will try to satisfy him, if I can.

Clause 5 of the Bill is not identical to the existing Section 16.... Enche' Wan Mustapha : Sir, am I to understand that, according to my colleague here, the Honourable Minis- ter has addressed this House by calling me bodoh?

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Mr President, Sir, I did not call him bodoh, I said that it is a crab-tree type of argument.
I am sure he has read Sir Henry Cecil's book.

Unless he wants me to explain, I will not proceed further.

Clause 5 of the Bill is not identical with the existing Section 16 of the Societies Ordinance of the States of Malaya, I agree.

The existing Ordi- nance uses the expression, "purposes prejudicial to, or incompatible with, peace, welfare or good order in the Federation", but there is not very much difference.
which are of national security, because if we do that, then we will endanger the lives of witnesses and others who have given evidence.

That is the crux of the who e matter.

As both Honour- able Members will admit, there has been so far, since independence, no care of abuse of power under these provisions, and there is no reason to believe that there will be any abuse of power in the future for as long as the Alliance Government is in control of Malaysia (Applause).
I agree with the Honourable Mem- ber Senator Athi Nahappan that the rules or principles of natural justice must be adhered to.

I am sure he knows fully well that all the Alliance Ministers have always adhered to the principles of natural justice.

Clause 18 is of the essence that we must have our grounds clearly stated.
As I said, Mr President, Sir, we do so, and I can assure him that wherever the Registrar is making any decision under the provisions of this Ordinance, he will record the ground of his decision.

Again, on Clause 5, the Honourable Senator Wan Mustapha has said that it may be in conflict with the Federal Constitution.

It is not so, in accordance with the provisions of Article 10 of the Constitution.
Further, Article 149, of the Consti- tution empowers the Minister to make laws in respect of the security of the Federation.

Article 10 which I men- tioned just now, is in connection with the freedom of speech and assembly and the Article clearly states that restrictions can be imposed by Federal legislation in the interest of security, in the interest of public order.

I do not have the Constitution with me, Mr President, Sir, but I still remember the provisions.
As regards Schedule I, paragraph As regards the discretion, it is 2 (a) where it is stressed that only admitted that it is absolute discretion, which means that there is no provision in this Bill which allows an aggrieved party to appeal to the High Court.

The reason is clear.


Under the ordinary rules of evidence, a Government officer, including a Minister, cannot be com- pelled to disclose to the Court matters Federal Citizens can become members of a political party, it is obvious that under our Constitution only citizens of Malaysia can exercise their politi- cal rights, such as voting.

There is no reason why such rights should be granted to non-Federal citizens .
Again, under Article 10 of the Constitution, 1365 22 DECEMBER 1965 1366 the expression used is "citizen" not any person.

Therefore, it is quite in con- Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the formity not only with the spirit but whole House.

also with the letter of the Constitution.

That of course does not mean that a non-Federal citizen cannot become a supporter of a political party, a mere supporter of a political party does not necessarily become a member.
He only becomes a member, if he applies to be a member and accepted as such by the society concerned.

The question of associate membership will make no difference under the present legislation.

Member includes the ordinary member and associate member and, therefore, associate members must also be Federal citizens provided, of course, it is a political organisation, as non-political organisations are not covered by paragraphs.
I think that is the only explanation I need give and, finally, if I have caused the Honourable Senator Wan Mustapha to feel that I have been rather offensive against him, then, I must apologise.

I did not honestly use the word `bodoh', I used the words "crab-tree argument."

Nik Hassan : Dia kata orang tidak menjadi ra`ayat Persekutuan ini boleh sokong dalam gerakan politik negeri mi.

Betul-kah bagitu?

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Sokong macham2 chara sokong.
Jika orang itu diam 15 tahun, 20 tahun, walau pun dia sa-belum menjadi Federal Citizen yang sah, yang mithal- nya dia sa-orang yang bukan warga- negara hendak bagi wang lima ribu ringgit kapada political party, tidak jadi salah di-bawah undang2.

Itu boleh sokong.

Nik Hassan: Undang2 orang yang tidak jadi warga-negara ini jangan di-beri boleh champor politik dalam negeri kita ini.

Itu lagi bagus.
Itu lagi bagus.

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Saya mahu terima siapa sahaja yang hendak beri wang dengan sharat tidak ada string, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

Question put, and agreed to.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 70 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Schedule I ordered to stand part of the Bill.

the Bill.
the Bill.

Schedule 11 ordered to stand part of Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.
THE MERCHANT SHIPPING (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Merchant Shipping Ordinance, 1952, in order to give legal effect to an International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea signed in London on 17th June, 1964, and to International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea, 1960 and to enable Malaysian vessels exclusively employed in the fishing industry to be exempted from the pro- visions of Part III of the Ordinance" be now read a second time.
Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, an International Conference on Safety of Life at Sea sponsored by the Inter- national Governmental Maritime Con- sultative Organisation was held in London from 17th May to 17th June, 1960.

The Conference, after delibera- tions, approved the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea, 1960, and also the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea, 1960, to replace the outdated ones of 1948.
The Malaysian Govern- ment has agreed to accept both the International Collision Regulations, 1960; and in order to bring into effect 1367 22 DECEMBER 1965 1368 their provisions, necessary legislation has to be made by way of amending the Federation Merchant Shipping Ordinance, 1952.
At the present time, our Merchant Shipping Ordinance, originated from the United Kingdom legislation on the subject, and the United King- dom legislation itself is subject to international conventions, such as the Convention on the Safety of Life at Sea and the Loadline Convention and a score of other maritime conventions relating to law of the sea.
When our Merchant Shipping Ordinance, 1952 was passed, since Malaya at that time was not an independent and sovereign State, there was no need for any power to be provided in the Ordinance to enable the High Commissioner, as he was then, to make any rules which would enable the various international conventions to be applicable in Malaya.
Thus, the international conventions under the structure of the Ordinance could only apply to the United Kingdom legislation, namely, to the As it will be noted, Clause 2 of the Bill applies the Merchant Shipping Ordinance, 1952, to the new Conven- tion.

Clauses 3 to 11 give effect to the requirements of the Convention for the construction and survey of the hull, machinery and equipment of cargo ships.
The rules to be made by the Minister under Clause 3 will apply to cargo ships registered in Malaysia and to foreign cargo ships while in Malay- sian ports unless exempted.

The requirements in the first place will only apply to ships of 500 gross tons or over, but the Minister is empowered to extend them to sea-going ships below that tonnage.

Clauses 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 deal with certification and enforcement of the new requirements.
Clause 9 provides a transitional provision for cargo ships affected by the new Convention.

The Merchant Shipping Ordinance, 1952, of Malaya has its root in the United Kingdom Merchant Shipping Act, 1894, and a number of subsequent United Kingdom Minister of Trans- legislations of the United Kingdom on port.

Thus, no rules have ever been the same subject.

Since the Ordinance made locally in Malaya which was passed in 1952 at a time when would be applicable to shipping here.
Malaya was still not an independent All rules applicable in, this country and sovereign State, the Ordinance originate from England.

When Merdeka was made specifically subject to the came, the Minister of Transport, United United Kingdom Merchant Shipping Kingdom, .

could no longer make rules Legislation.


Thus power to `make rules applicable to Malaya and now having extra territorial, effect was only Malaysia, and at the same tune there vested under the United Kingdom law, was no power in our Merchant Ship- and up to date the Merchant Shipping ping Ordinance to enable the Minister Ordinance, 1952, contains no power of Transport, Malaysia, to make rules for the Minister to make these rules.

having extra territorial effect.
Thus, Thus, when the International Collisions when Malaysia has become a sovereign Regulations came into effect, power independent nation, participating in the must be provided for in the Merchant law of the sea, and now becoming a Shipping Ordinance, 1952, so as to member of the International Govern- enable the Minister to give legal effect mental Maritime Consultative Organi- to these international regulations; hence sation, a number of conventions will section 252 requires to be amended.
have to be made applicable to Malaysia Similarly, under the present Merchant and in order to assimilate these conventions into our law, power must be provided for the Minister of Trans- port to make rules; thus amendment has to be made to the Merchant Shipping Ordinance.
Shipping Ordinance, 1952, construction rules for passenger steamers are invari- ably made by the United Kingdom Minister of Transport, and though power is provided under the Ordinance for our Minister to make these rules, 1369 22 DECEMBER 1965 1370 this power is not specifically stated.

Thus, an insertion of a new section 256A requires to be made.

The Bill has a Schedule which deals with minor and consequential amend- ments and some other important amendments.
For example, opportunity is now taken to have section 69 of the Merchant Shipping Ordinance, 1952, amended for the purpose of exempting certain provisions of Part III of the Ordinance from being applicable to Malaysian fishing vessels.

Section 208 is to be amended for the purpose of improving the present section.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.
Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 11 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.

THE ROAD TRAFFIC (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Road Traffic Ordinance, 1958" be read a second time.

the motion.
the motion.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, the Government has recently been advised by the Attorney-General that he is not happy with the expression "the insured person" appearing in section 80(I) of the Road Traffic Ordinance, 1958.

Although in all motor vehicle insurance policies, the insured person includes any person who is with his permission, it might be argued that he was not the insured person.
In order to put beyond any possible doubt that the third party who is injured through the negligence of a driver will get the compensation, the Attorney-General has, therefore, sug- gested that the expression "the insured person" be substituted with the wording "any person insured by the policy".
Prior to the introduction of the Road Traffic legislations for 1958 and 1959 there was no provision in the British Military Administration (Road Trans- port) Proclamation or Regulations made thereunder for Road Transport Officers to institute or conduct Court proceedings for offences against the Road Traffic Ordinance, or rules made thereunder.
Owing to the absence of such provision, officers of the Road Transport Department have been questioned from time to time by magistrates whether they have autho- rity to prosecute road traffic offences.

The magistrates were of the opinion that section 380 (2) (b) of the Criminal Procedure Court did not provide authority for Road Transport Officers to prosecute.
It was, therefore, consi- dered necessary to supplement the Road Traffic Ordinance, 1958, to pro- vide for Road Transport Officers to prosecute road traffic offences.

This, in fact, is now incorporated in Section 142 of the Road Traffic Ordinance, 1958.
With the introduction of orders under Section 62 of the above Ordinance relating to parking meters, it has been found that the institution and the conduct of prosecution for any breach of the provision of such orders could no longer be confined to persons specified in Section 142 of the Road Traffic Ordinance, 1958, and that offi- cers of the Municipality and other Local Authorities must be depended on for this purpose.
Therefore, with the introduction of orders relating to parking meters under Section 6 of the Road Traffic Ordinance, as re-enacted by Section 8 of the Road Traffic driving on the policy-holder's order or (Amendment) Act, 1964, an amend- 1371 22 DECEMBER 1965 1372 ment to Section 142 of the Road Traffic Ordinance , 1958 , has become necessary so that prosecution could conveniently be left to the Municipality itself.
The existing defect in the pro- vision of the Road Traffic Ordinance, 1958, will be remedied by the provision made in this Bill.

Question put, and agreed to.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 3 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment read the third time and passed.
Bill accordingly read a second time House adjourned at 9.35 p.m. and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

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