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44 Saturday 11th January, 1964 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) OFFICIAL REPORT CONTENTS E X E M P T ED BUSINESS A ND A D J O U R N M E NT 4845] SINE DIE ( M O T I O N) [Col, M O T I O N: The Development Estimates, 1964— C o m m i t t e e— Heads 100 and 205 [Col. 4847] Heads 101 and 102 [Col. 4851] Heads 103 to 105; Heads 155 and 181 [4855] Heads 107 to 111; Heads 113 and 114; Heads 156, 182 and 206 [Col. 4870] Head 115 [Col. 4902] H e ad 118 [Col. 4903] H e ad 120 [Col. 4906] Heads 121 and 183 [Col. 4907] Heads 122, 161 and 184 [Col. 4919] Heads 123, 162 and 185 [4962] Heads 124 and 125 [Col. 4982] Heads 126 to 129; Heads 186 and 187 [Col.
4986.]
Heads 130 to 135; H e ad 167; Heads 188 to 192 [Col. 4997] Heads 136 to 140; Heads 142 and 144; Heads 171 to 174; Heads 193 to 197; Heads 207 and 208 [Col. 5015] Heads 145 to 149; Heads 177 and 178; Heads 198 to 200; Heads 209 and 201 [Col. 5026] H e ad 152 [Col. 5029] H e ad 153 [Col. 5031] T HE C O N S O L I D A T ED F U ND ( N A T I O N AL S E C U R I TY E X P E N D I T U R E) BILL [Col. 5032] M O T I O N: F I S H E R M E N 'S R E H A B I L I T A T I ON F U ND [Col. 5039] DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, A.M.N., PENCHETAK KERAJAAN KUALA LUMPUR 1965 MALAYSIA DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) Official Report Fifth Session of the First Dewan Ra'ayat Saturday, 11th January, 1964 The House met at Ten o'clock a.m.
PRESENT: The Honourable Mr Speaker, DATO' HAJI MOHAMED NOAH BIN OMAR, „ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ rf P.M.N., S.P.M.J., D.P.M.B., P.I.S., J.P. the Prime Minister, Minister of External Affairs and Minister of Information and Broadcasting, Y.T.M.

TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M.

(Kuala Kedah).

the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence and Minister of Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N.

(Pekan).
(Pekan).

the Minister of Internal Security and Minister of the Interior, DATO' DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N.

(Johor Timor).

the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' TAN SIEW SIN, J.P. (Melaka Tengah).

the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, DATO' V. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N.

(Sungai Siput).

the Minister of Transport, DATO' HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N.

(Pontian Utara).

the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, ENCHE' MOHAMED KHIR BIN JOHARI (Kedah Tengah).
the Minister of Labour and Social Welfare, ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah).

the Minister of Health, ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB (Kuantan).

the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan).

the Minister of Education, TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT ALI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang).

the Minister for Sarawak Affairs, DATO' TEMENGGONG JUGAH ANAK BARIENG (Sarawak).

the Assistant Minister of the Interior, ENCHE' CHEAH THEAM SWEE (Bukit Bintang).
the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara).

the Assistant Minister of Information and Broadcasting, DATU MOHAMED ISMAIL BIN MOHAMED YUSOF, P.D.K.

(Jerai).

4839 11 JANUARY 1964 4840 The Honourable the Assistant Minister of Rural Development (Sarawak), ENCHE' ABDUL-RAHMAN BIN YA'KUB (Sarawak).

ENCHE' ABDUL A Z IZ BIN ISHAK (Kuala Langat).

„ ENCHE' ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N.

(Melaka Utara).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAUF BIN A. RAHMAN, K.M.N., P.J.K.


(Krian Laut).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSSIN (Lipis).

ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN OSMAN (Sungai Patani).

TOH MUDA HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI ABDUL RAOF (Kuala Kangsar).

TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD.

SALLEH, A.M.N., P.I.S.

(Segamat Utara).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kota Bharu Hilir).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N.

(Muar Utara).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN MOHAMED SHAH, S.M.J.

(Johor Bahru Barat).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAAID (Seberang Utara).


ENCHE' AHMAD BIN HAJI YUSOF, P.J.K.

(Krian Darat).

CHE' AJIBAH BINTI ABOL (Sarawak).

ENCHE' AWANG DAUD BIN MATUSIN (Sarawak).

TUAN HAJI AZAHARI BIN HAJI IBRAHIM (Kubang Pasu Barat).

ENCHE' A Z IZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam).

DR BURHANUDDIN BIN MOHD.

NOOR (Besut).

ENCHE' JONATHAN BANGAU ANAK RENANG (Sarawak).

PENGARAH BANYANG (Sarawak).

ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N.

(Kluang Selatan).

ENCHE' CHAN SIANG SUN (Bentong).

ENCHE' CHAN SWEE HO (Ulu Kinta).


ENCHE' CHAN YOON ONN (Kampar).

ENCHE' CHIA THYE POH (Singapore).

ENCHE' CHIN SEE YIN (Seremban Timor).

ENCHE' DAGOK ANAK RANDEN (Sarawak).

ENCHE' EDWIN ANAK TANGKUN (Sarawak).

DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N.

(Jitra-Padang Terap).

ENCHE' GANING BIN JANGKAT (Sabah).

ENCHE' GEH CHONG KEAT, K.M.N.

(Penang Utara).

ENCHE' HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N.

(Kapar).

ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD.

YUNUS, A.M.N.

(Kulim Utara).

ENCHE' HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Baling).


ENCHE' HARUN BIN PILUS (Trengganu Tengah).

TUAN HAJI HASAN ADLI BIN HAJI ARSHAD (Kuala Trengganu Utara).

TUAN HAJI HASSAN BIN HAJI AHMAD (Tumpat).

ENCHE' HASSAN BIN MANSOR (Melaka Selatan).

ENCHE' HO SEE BENG (SINGAPORE).

ENCHE' STANLEY HO NGUN KHIU, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

„ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ 4841 11 JANUARY 1964 4842 The Honourable ENCHE' HONG TECK GUAN (Sabah).

„ „ „ „ „ „ ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN T O' MUDA HASSAN (Raub).
TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN (Kota Bharu Hulu).

ENCHE' IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah).

ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan).

ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN HAJI KASSIM (Kuala Trengganu Selatan).

PENGHULU JINGGUT ANAK ATTAN (Sarawak).

ENCHE' K. KARAM SINGH (Damansara).

CHE' KHADIJAH BINTI MOHD.

SIDEK (Dungun).

ENCHE' KADAM ANAK KIAI (Sarawak).

ENCHE' K OW KEE SENG (Singapore).

ENCHE' EDMUND LANGGU ANAK SAGA (Sarawak).

ENCHE' LEE SAN CHOON, K.M.N.

(Kluang Utara).


ENCHE' LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N.

(Sepang).

ENCHE' AMADEUS MATHEW LEONG, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' CHARLES LINANG (Sarawak).

ENCHE' LING BENG SIEW (Sarawak).

ENCHE' LIU YOONG PENG (Rawang).

O. K. K. HAJI MAHALI BIN O. K. K. MATJAKIR, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson).

ENCHE' MOHAMED BIN UJANG (Jelebu-Jempol).

ENCHE' MOHAMED ABBAS BIN AHMAD (Hilir Perak).

ENCHE' MOHD.

ARIF SALLEH, A.D.K.

(Sabah).


ENCHE' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA (Pasir Puteh).

ORANG TUA MOHAMMAD DARA BIN LANGPAD (Sabah).

ENCHE' MOHD.

D UN BIN BANIR, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' MOHAMED NOR BIN MOHD.

DAHAN (Ulu Perak).

DATO' MOHAMED HANIFAH BIN HAJI ABDUL GHANI, P.J.K.

(Pasir Mas Hulu).

ENCHE' MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N.

(Temerloh).

TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan).

TUAN HAJI MUHAMMAD SU'AUT BIN HAJI MUHD.

TAHIR, (Sarawak).

ENCHE' NG ANN TECK (Batu).


TUAN HAJI OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Tanah Merah).

ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Perlis Utara).

ABANG OTHMAN BIN ABANG HAJI MOASILI (Sarawak).

ENCHE' QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Barat).

TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD.

SAID, J.P. (Rembau-Tampin).

ENCHE' SANDOM ANAK NYUAK (Sarawak).

ENCHE' SEAH TENG NGIAB (Muar Pantai).

ENCHE' SNG CHIN JOO (Sarawak).

TUAN SYED ESA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S.

(Batu Pahat Dalam).
(Batu Pahat Dalam).

TUAN SYED HASHIM BIN SYED AJAM, A.M.N., P.J.K., J.P. (Sabak Bernam).

4843 11 JANUARY 1964 4844 The Honourable ENCHE' TAJUDIN BIN ALI, P J .

K. (Larut Utara).

ENCHE' TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan).

ENCHE' TAN PHOCK K IN (Tanjong).

ENCHE' TAN TSAK YU (Sarawak).

ENCHE' TAN TYE CHEK (Kulim-Bandar Bahru).

TENGKU BESAR INDERA RAJA IBNI AL-MARHUM SULTAN IBRAHIM, D.K., P.M.N.

(Ulu Kelantan).

DATO' TEOH CHZE CHONG, D.P.M.J., J.P. (Segamat Selatan).

ENCHE' TOO JOON HING (Telok Anson).


PENGHULU FRANCIS UMPAU ANAK EMPAM (Sarawak).

ENCHE' V. VEERAPPEN (Seberang Selatan).

WAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN DATU TUANKU BUJANG (Sarawak).

WAN MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI ALI (Kelantan Hilir).

WAN SULAIMAN BIN WAN TAM, P.J.K.

(Kota Star Selatan).

ENCHE' WEE TOON BOON (Singapore).

ENCHE' YAHYA BIN HAJI AHMAD (Bagan Datoh).

ENCHE' YEOH TAT BENG (Bruas).

ENCHE' YONG NYUK LIN (Singapore).

ENCHE' YONG WOO MING (Sitiawan).

PUAN HAJJAH ZAIN BINTI SULAIMAN, J.M.N., P.I.S.


(Pontian Selatan).

TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD.

TAIB (Langat).

ENCHE' ZULKIFLEE BIN MUHAMMAD (Bachok).

ABSENT: The Honourable the Minister without Portfolio, DATO' ONG YOKE LIN, P.M.N.

(Ulu Selangor).

the Assistant Minister of Labour and Social Welfare, ENCHE' V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K.

(Klang).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAHIM ISHAK (Singapore).

ENCHE' AHMAD BOESTAMAM (Setapak).

O. K. K. DATU ALIUDDIN BIN DATU HARUN, P.D.K.

(Sabah).
(Sabah).

DR AWANG BIN HASSAN (Muar Selatan).

ENCHE' V. DAVID (Bungsar).

DATU GANIE GILONG, P.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).

DR G OH KENG SWEE (Singapore).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN MOHD.

NOORDIN, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Parit).

ENCHE' IKHWAN ZAINI (Sarawak).

ENCHE' JEK YEUN THONG (Singapore).

ENCHE' JHUMAH BIN SALIM (Sabah).

ENCHE' KANG KOCK SENG (Batu Pahat).

ENCHE' KHONG K OK YAT (Batu Gajah).

ENCHE' LEE KUAN YEW (Singapore).

ENCHE' LEE SECK F UN (Tanjong Malim).

ENCHE' LIM HUAN BOON (Singapore).


ENCHE' LIM JOO KONG, J.P. (Alor Star).

ENCHE' LIM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat).

„ „ 4845 11 JANUARY 1964 4846 The Honourable ENCHE' LIM KIM SAN (Singapore).

ENCHE' PETER LO SU YIN (Sabah).

ENCHE' MOHAMED DAHARI BIN HAJI MOHD.

ALI (Kuala Selangor).

ENCHE' PETER J. MOJUNTIN, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

NIK MAN BIN N IK MOHAMED (Pasir Mas Hilir).

ENCHE' ONG PANG BOON (Singapore).

ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN WOK (Singapore).

ENCHE' S. RAJARATNAM (Singapore).

ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh).


ENCHE' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM (Menglembu).

ENCHE' SIM BOON LIANG (Sarawak).

ENCHE' SONG THIAN CHEOK (Sarawak).

DATU DONALD ALOYSIUS STEPHENS, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

TUAN SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, J.M.N.

(Johor Tenggara).

ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka).

DR TOH CHIN CHYE (Singapore).

WAN YAHYA BIN HAJI WAN MOHAMED, K.M.N.

(Kemaman).

ENCHE' YEH PAO TZE (Sabah).

ENCHE' STEPHEN YONG KUET TZE (Sarawak).


IN ATTENDANCE: The Honourable the Minister without Portfolio, ENCHE' KHAW KAI-BOH, P.J.K.

PRAYERS (Mr Speaker in the Chair) EXEMPTED BUSINESS AND ADJOURNMENT SINE DIE (Motion) The Deputy Prime Minister (Tun Haji Abdul Razak): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move, That the House shall not adjourn this day until after the completion of all Government business set down on the Order Paper for today, and that at its rising the House do stand adjourned sine die.
This is the last day of the session of this House and it is necessary that we do get through Government business before we adjourn.

The Minister of Transport (Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Enche' V. Veerappen (Seberang Selatan): Mr Speaker, Sir, on a point of clarification.

I am surprised that we have this motion while we also, I think, have received an invitation to dinner by the Honourable the Prime Minister at 8.15 p.m.
I do not know whether the Government wants us to refuse the Prime Minister's invitation or to approve so many millions of dollars in forty-eight hours without proper discussion.

Mr Speaker: Under Standing Orders, the Speaker has the power to suspend the sitting of the House at any time.

I will suspend sitting at 8 o'clock tonight, then you can go to the dinner.

Every Member can go to the dinner.

Question put, and agreed.


Resolved, That the House shall not adjourn this day until after the completion of all Government business set down on the Order Paper for today, and that at its rising the House do stand adjourned sine die.

4847 11 JANUARY 1964 4848 MOTION THE DEVELOPMENT ESTIMATES, 1964 House immediately resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House.

Development Estimates, 1964, con sidered in Committee.
(Mr Speaker in the Chair) Head 100— Mr Chairman: The question I pro pose is that the sum of $458,500 under Head 100, Judicial, be agreed to.

The Assistant Minister of Rural Development (Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub) (Sarawak): Mr Chairman, Sir, I have little to say in presenting, on behalf of the Minister of Justice, the Development Estimates as far as they relate to the Ministry of Justice.
In doing so, I hope that I do not give the impression that the Ministry has been complacent about its development programme.

Honourable Members are aware that only a total of $1,000,000 was provided under the Second Five-Year Develop this ment Plan and will agree that amount .

.

.. Mr Chairman: Order, order.

I would like to know whether you want to take also Head 205—$70,000—Ministry of Justice, of Singapore.

Judicial, respect in Head 100 and Head 205— Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: Yes, Sir.
For your information, I was going to refer to it.

Mr Chairman: That should be done earlier.

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: I beg your pardon.

I will take the two Heads together—Heads 100 and 205.

Sir, with respect to Head 100, a provision of $458,500 is sought for the continuation of projects which were interest started Honourable Members that with sufficient funds which have been made available to the Ministry none of in 1962. to know It may the projects should be retarded in any way.
For the information of the House, the new court houses in Kangar, Grik and Selama were completed in 1961, in to addition to structural alterations three existing buildings, namely, in and Sungei Kuala Lumpur, Patani to house additional subordinate courts.
Ipoh The direct estimated expenditure for 1964 as shown in the Estimates is necessary to meet the cost of the pro ject for four court houses at Kuala Selangor, Kuala Trengganu, Klang and Kuala Brang which are either under construction or due to be constructed in the course of 1964. on item Touching the estimates were (iv), Kuala Selangor, it may disappoint Honour able Members to know that this project as well as the ensuing items, namely, the court houses at Kuala Trengganu and Klang were not, due to circums tances beyond our control, completed by 1963.
As Honourable Members are aware, with the rise in the cost of material, which was unforeseen at the time formulated, coupled with the cost of alienation of the sites, all the projects had to be kept in abeyance until such time as the actual estimated cost of construction was determined.

The only expenditure under is a provision of $22,700 shown against the court house at Kuala Brang.

This court is housed at the District Office building by the State Government of Trengganu.
The provision made against this item is towards reimbursement of part of the cost of the building.

this head Sir, in spite of all these setbacks, I am happy to say that we will be able to complete the projects in hand during 1964.

As stated earlier, the sites have been acquired and the plans completed and invited shortly.

What remains is the finalisation of the projects by constructing the buildings.

So much for Head 100. tenders will be turn Now I would to Head 205 Judicial Department, Singapore.
The sum of $70,000 here is required for the construction of another court house for the last of the Puisne Judges.

With the appointment of two new Puisne 4849 11 JANUARY 1964 4850 Judges in August 1963, the High Court of Singapore now consists of the Chief Justice and seven Puisne Judges.

But there are, however, only six courts and obviously there is no point in having Judges without court houses for them to sit.
At present there is one court house under construction by the Public Works Department which the Singapore Government had approved last year.

On completion of this court house by early this year, there will be seven court houses.

If approval of funds for the construction of this, the eighth, court is granted, there will altogether be eight court houses in Singapore and these will judges admirably.

The amount asked for is not excessive as the present court house under construction also costs about $70,000.
in all the fit to in fit for for Enche' V. Veerappen: Mr Chair man, Sir, although $458,500 is being asked court improvement houses, I must express regrets over the overall conditions of courts this country.

It is a pity that the places where justice is administered do not inspire the respect that they should get.

They are so undignified.

They generally look like sheds and the furniture in them is so old and archaic that they the national museum.
are Comparing the court houses with the police station, anyone could see the difference—the police stations are such imposing awe-inspiring build ings—and that goes to show to what extent to inspire fear in the minds of the people rather than to inspire respect for the laws of the country.

I hope that the Government would pay more attention to the court houses and especially the furniture of these court houses.

I think the removal of those old furniture in most of this country in would not cost very much.
the Government wishes the courts and Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji Muda (Pasir Puteh): Tuan Pengerusi, peruntokan kerana bangunan mah kamah ini pada fahaman saya sangat- lah mustahak dan baik, saperti kata Yang Seberang Selatan tadi bahawa mutu dan taraf mahkamah sangat-lah mustahak di- jaga sama ada bangunan-nya dan alat2- Berhormat dari nya.

Saya hendak berchakap dalam Sub-head 4.

(vi) Kota Bharu, ada estimates untok membuat bangunan mahkamah sa-banyak $590,069.
Telah di-habiskan perbelanjaan-nya dalam tahun 1961 sa-banyak $29,851 dan tahun 1963 sa-banyak $1,000.

Saya mustahak mendapat penjelasan dari- pada Yang Berhormat Menteri ia-itu sampai bila-kah bangunan mahkamah Kota Bharu itu hendak di-segerakan pendirian-nya, sebab bangunan mah ini kamah di-Kota Bharu sekarang nampak-nya sudah tua dan burok, sangat-lah tidak menasabah, lagi pun kawasan bangunan itu dalam kawasan pasokan keselamatan.
Saya perchaya pehak pasokan keselamatan pun hen- dak meluas dan membesarkan ba- ngunan-nya, maka tempat tapak yang ada bangunan mahkamah2 ini perlu bagi pasokan keselamatan ini, dan mustahak-lah bangunan yang baharu di-dirikan dengan sa-berapa segera- nya.
tidak Saya perchaya kalau sa-kira-nya pehak Kementerian ini sedar bagai- mana keadaan bangunan mahkamah di-Kota Bharu sekarang ini bagitu sa-suai neschaya burok dan dalam estimates tahun 1964 ini di- masokkan, tetapi malang-nya tidak di- masokkan perbelanjaan bagi tahun ini, dan saya minta penjelasan Yang Ber itu hormat Menteri, bila-kah wang hendak di-penohi dan bangunan itu hendak di-dirikan.
Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: Mr Chairman, Sir, I entirely agree with my Honourable friend from Seberang Selatan that court houses must inspire respect to members of the public.

1 am not sure whether he is a lawyer, but, as I said earlier on, with the funds made available to the Ministry it was not possible to carry out the projects to the fullest satisfaction of everybody in the country.
However, as I have said, when more funds are provided we will try our level best and that point is always borne in mind by the Ministry.

He said that police stations in Malaysia are more inspiring than court houses.

That is a matter of opinion.

I beg to differ.

But there is one point made by him: he said that police stations are made so inspiring 4851 11 JANUARY 1964 4852 in his reply that they cause fear in the minds of the public.
Well, the Honourable Minister of the Interior several days ago has already mentioned, to Opposition Members, that members of the public here treated our police as friends, not as enemies and therefore is no question of fear being there caused by the inspiring beauty of the police stations in Malaya.

However, as I have said, the Ministry will do our level best.

If we have funds everybody wants—the Ministry wants—all court houses to be inspiring.
itu Berhubong soal Court dengan House, Kota Bharu, dalam tahun 1964 ini sa-benar-nya tidak ada-lah kita buat peruntokan, oleh sebab beberapa perkara berkenaan dengan hal soalan ini.

Ahli Yang Berhormat telah meminta penjelasan bila-kah agak-nya bangunan itu akan dapat di-siapkan.

telah Di-sana, Tuan Pengerusi, kita berbelanja sa-banyak $29,851 dalam tahun 1961 dan dalam Development Estimates tahun 1965 kita ada perun tokan sa-banyak $559,218.
Jadi, kita harap dengan ada-nya lagi peruntokan dalam Development Estimates ini kita akan dapat menyiapkan programme kita dalam tahun 1965 di-mana Mah- kamah yang ada di-Kota Bharu itu boleh dapat di-pakai dan berkenaan dengan soalan ini banyak di-tempat2 lain dalam Malaysia telah kita lihat tidak menyedapkan hati kita, ada yang menggunakan Magistrate's Office dan Resident's Office.

Jadi, walau bagai- mana pun kita akan dapat menyiapkan dalam tahun 1965.

Terima kaseh.

Question put, and agreed to.


The sum of $458,500 for Head 100 and the sum of $70,000 for Head 205 agreed to stand part of the Develop ment Estimates, 1964.

Heads 101 and 102— Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Mr Chair man, Sir, with your permission, I would like take Heads 101 and 102 to together.

The Development Estimates under Head 101, Prime Minister, represent on the whole, except for Sub-head 5 (National Museum), only monies which were not spent during last year.
Under Sub-head 1, "Government Contribution to National Mosque" amounts to $2 million.

Of this amount $1,000,010 had been spent.

So far, the expenses incurred had been first charged to the National Mosque Fund.

In regard to Sub-head 3, Staff Train this project has been ing Centre, completed last August and payment in respect of the total cost has been made except for the retention money repre senting 5% of the total cost.

Now, the this retention money year, when the six months' guarantee has elapsed.
is to be paid In regard to Sub-head 5, National the original provision of Museum, $1,650,000 for this project has been found to be insufficient.

The building project has been completed in August last year, but equipment and displays for the second gallery need to be pur chased.

The second gallery will house the Natural History Section of the Museum.

We have at the moment an expert taxidermist on contract here for two years, and he is able to build up this Section during time.
This Museum has proved to be a success, and since its opening more than 300,000 persons have visited it.

that I come now to Sub-head 8, Economic Planning Organisation.

This project has been completed and the provision for this year is merely a sum not spent last year.

In regard to Sub-head 9, Government Contribution to National Monument this House will observe that the Govern ment contribution towards the cost of the construction of this Monument is $200,000.
This sum, provided in the Estimates for last year, has not been spent.

Expenditure has been fully met by the National Monument Fund.

Sub-head 10 refers to "Shipment of Capital Equipment under Colombo Plan."

The provision of $200,000 is required for 1964 to meet freight and marine charges for capital equipment the Canadian Government sent by under the Colombo Plan.
Under Head 102, Statistics, a provi sion of $82,500 is being entered for 1964 to meet the development cost of 4853 11 JANUARY 1964 4854 the expansion programme in the Statis tics Department.

Honourable Members may observe that this provision is part of the total provision of $1,508,552 for the expansion programme within the current Five-Year Development Plan, and this provision is for the purchase of various kinds of machines in order to carry out the expanded work of this Department.

Sir, I beg to move.
Sir, I beg to move.

Enche' V. Veerappen: Mr Chair man, Sir, I wish to touch on Sub head 8, Economic Planning Organisa tion.

I believe this Organisation has been subjected to some mis-directed criticisms.

I believe also that the job of the Economic Planning Organisation is to find how best it is to increase the productivity and the earning power of the country as a whole.
But, it must be made clear that it is not its duty to see how that income is re-distributed to the "have nots", as that is a matter of Government policy for which the Minis ter of Finance is responsible.

From his own words, the Minister of Finance has said some time ago that the M.C.A.

has been branded as a capitalist group, and we can see that it would be very difficult for the Minister of Finance to formulate a policy whereby the income derived from the country as a whole can be re-distributed.
It is needless to say that this re-distribution can only be done by proper taxation.

I hope that the the Honourable Members Government will take note of this and find the best means of re-distributing whatever income derived through the efforts of the Economic Planning Organisation.

in Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji Muda: Tuan Pengerusi, berkenaan dengan Muzium Kebangsaan ini, nam- pak-nya sudah hampir siap.
Ada orang beri tahu kapada saya, kata dia dia pernah tengok satu gambar, kata-nya bentok bangunan Muzium Kebangsaan ini hampir2 bersamaan dengan kita Muzium di-Peking di-negeri China.

Jadi, ada-kah benar, takut architect yang membuat itu mendapat inspirasi daripada situ, atau pun dari mana ta' tahu-lah saya.
Saya pun hendak me- itu betul2 bentok ngatakan bentok bangunan rumah orang Melayu pun ta' juga berani saya katakan, tetapi itu-lah kawan saya kata bagitu, saya pun menong-lah saya minta-lah Yang Berhormat Menteri yang berkenaan tolong-lah terangkan sadikit.

juga.

Jadi, belakang kehidupan Enche9 Ahmad bin Arshad (Muar Utara): Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak perhatian berchakap dan menarek pehak yang berkenaan ia-itu dalam Sub-head 5—Muzium Negara.
Apa yang saya hendak chakapkan di-sini lukisan daripada ia-itu satu gambar tanah yang terpampang di-Muzium Negara kita itu yang menggambarkan orang2 latar Melayu zaman 4,000 tahun yang lalu.

Di-antara kehidupan orang2 Melayu: pada masa itu ia-lah menangkap ikan di-laut dan berburu.

Di-antara gambar saya nampak orang2 berburu Melayu pada masa itu dapat sa-ekor babi tunggal yang terjerangkong di- dalam perahu.
Saya tidak membantah orang2 Melayu pada masa itu memang makan babi, tetapi oleh sebab pada masa sekarang ini orang2 Melayu telah berugama Islam, dan babi itu satu perkara yang di-pandang menyakitkan hati orang2 Melayu, saya harap-lah di-ambil perhatian supaya di-tukarkan mangsa yang lain yang sesuai dengan keadaan orang2 Melayu.

itu, Planning Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Mr Chair man, Sir, the Honourable Member for Seberang Selatan commented on the Organisation.
Economic Actually, the amount asked for is very little and it is required for equipment and library books for the Organisation.

So, I think the Honourable Member's comment has nothing to do with the amount that is asked for here.

Anyway, I can assure the Honourable Member that this Organisation is doing a very good job not only in preparing our Development Plans and seeing that they are implemented properly but also in keeping a watch on our economic pro blems in the country.
I can also assure that our the Honourable Member the from policy, although different Socialist Front, is to level up and that is the way in which we re-distribute our income.

Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pasir Puteh mengatakan Muzium Negara 4855 11 JANUARY 1964 4856 berbentok dan rupa-nya bentok Peking.

ini Saya tidak bersetuju di-atas hal kerana bangunan ini di-buat menurut architecture yang di-katakan architec ture Melayu asli.
Sunggoh pun tidak ada banyak pada masa ini di-Tanah Melayu tetapi itu di-fikirkan dengan bangunan asal dahulu yang di-dapati di-negeri Kedah—bentok Balai Besar Negeri Kedah itu di-fikirkan satu ba ngunan yang tertua sa-kali di-Tanah Melayu ini di-fikirkan ia-lah architec ture Melayu.

Berkenaan dengan pandangan dari Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Muar Utara, saya tidak mengetahui bahawa ada gambar orang Melayu memburu babi tetapi ada gambar orang Asli zaman dahulu barangkali sa-belum orang Asli masok Islam.
Walau bagaimana pun saya akan siasat perkara ini dan saya akan beri tahu kapada Ahli Yang Ber hormat itu.

Question put, and agreed to.

The sums of $1,884,338 for Head 101 and $82,500 for Head 102 agreed to stand part of the Development Esti mates, 1964.

Heads 103, 104, 105; Heads 155 and 181— The Assistant Minister of Informa tion and Broadcasting (Datu Mohamed Ismail bin Mohd.
Yusof): Mr Chair man, Sir, with your permission, Sir, I would like to take all the Heads under the Ministry of Information and Broad casting for Malaya, Sabah and Sarawak together and I therefore beg to move that Head 103 (Radio), Head 104 (Television), Head 105 (Information).

Head 155 (Information and Broad casting) 181 (Broadcasting) totalling $20,088,292, be approved.
and Head (Sarawak) (Sabah), Head 103 (Radio)— One of the professed aims of the Alliance Government is to provide a first class radio service for the enter information and education tainment, of the ra'ayat—not only in terms of news and programmes, but also of re ception and other services.
As such it is vital that more and better facilities be provided not only to enable our engineering news, programme and staff to do the work expected of them but also to enable the end product of their daily toil to reach the listening public satisfactorily.

It is essential that adequate regional coverage and pro gramming be developed in this country.

is One way of achieving this desirable objective to build a number of regional stations suitably deployed all over the country.
They will serve either as powerful medium wave relay stations (e.g.

Kuantan) or as produc tive stations (e.g.

Penang and Kota Bharu) which can both relay as well as originate programmes of their own.

Allow me, Mr Chairman, Sir, to take each item of Development for which the required funds are needed in 1964, either to start a new project or to advance a continuing one.

103 Item (4) of Head reads "Kuantan: Transmitters".
This project conceives the building of a powerful relay station in Kuantan employing two 10 kilowatt medium wave transmitters, as opposed to the present temporary 0.3 kilowatt unit.

A sum of $500,000 is needed to follow up this scheme.

Item (7) (ii) Malacca Studios and Equipment: this full-fledged Regional Station will be completed next year and so will Kota Bharu (item 8) for which the balance of $30,000 is needed in 1964 for each project respectively.
Item (9)—Ipoh Regional Station re quires $463,530 in 1964 to further the progress of its construction.

It will operate three 10 kilowatt medium wave transmitters.

to Let me now take items (10) ($34,000) and (18) ($91,985) together, both re ferring Johore Bahru Regional Station.

The sum of $34,000 is needed in 1964 to complete the construction of the station and studio suite but the project does not provide for studio equipment.
Originally, it was thought more economical to temporarily leave out Johore Bahru as a production centre, maintaining it only as a relaying station.

But at the behest of the Johore State Government, we find it necessary to seek provisions to equip the studio suites for programmes production pur poses.

Hence the sum $91,985 is being 4857 11 JANUARY 1964 4858 earmarked.

Incidentally, Johore Bahru a has been operating three- since 7th transmitter November last year.
as station relay to Item the plan (14) refers to construct a regional station at Kuala Trengganu for which an initial sum of $500,000 is needed to start the scheme in 1964.

The sum of $50,000 is needed in 1964 to complete the "Kajang—Malay sian Services" project.

This scheme is really a modest one designed around only one medium-power transmitter of 50 kilowatt strength to serve the Borneo territories.
the outside world about Overseas Broadcasting: it is univer sally acknowledged that every country even in normal peace time, strives to its inform standpoints and aspirations, its achieve ment and the role it is playing or hope to play on the international stage.

This it can do significantly through the radio medium by the use of several powerful transmitters operating at different fre quencies to minimise interference either deliberate or otherwise.
In times of national stress, such as we are experi encing at the moment, overseas Broad casting becomes a vital necessity and important instrument of nation building.

The scheme conceives the building of transmitting centre a new to house powerful transmitters, 100 kilowatt their associated aerial systems and ancillary sum of equipment.

The $1,960,000 is needed in 1964 to advance the project further.
Item (17), "New Broadcasting House" at Pantai Valley is a completely new project although it is an old plan.

Due to rapid expansion since Merdeka in 1957, Radio Malaysia at Kuala Lumpur is pressed for office space and studio facilities, so much so it now operates at four different locations in the city itself.

Its terribly congested Federal House office and studio areas are no more capable of further physical expansion.
And in view of additional commitments expected and required of the Department, of schools broadcasting and increased airtimes for both Domes tic and Overseas broadcasts, it is abso that lutely essential to provide for a new Broadcasting House.

When this building is ready for occupation, Radio Malay sia will vacate all its present scattered premises for use by other departments.

For 1964, only $750,000 are needed to start the scheme.
Item (19), "Central Monitoring Ser vices" is a $960,000 scheme designed to serve the needs of not only the Depart ment of Radio, Television and Informa tion Services, but also other Ministries and Departments which need reports and monitoring digests of foreign broadcasts, essentials to their work.

One of its various functions is to carry out checks on frequency drifts and radio interferences.
The item final Development for Radio Malaysia relates to provisions for the purchase of 50 kilowatt trans mitters, special aerial systems and ancillary equipment to be suitably housed for the purpose of beaming our domestic programmes to Sabah and Sarawak.

At present, the signals from our 10 kilowatt transmitters in Malaya are too weak to be picked up by Sabah and Sarawak radio stations for the relay and propagation of news and program mes material in that area.
A sum of $1,200,000 is needed to start the scheme in 1964, to be completed by mid-1965.

Mr Chairman, Sir, the above are major projects vital to the overall plan to provide a first class radio service for the nation.

Head 104—{Television)— As Hon'ble members are aware the Pilot Scheme of Television Malaysia was inaugurated on 28th of December, 1963 by the Prime the Hon'ble Minister.

This is a step forward developing country, bringing people information, entertainment to their homes.
education for any the and to The services initially is a pilot project temporary Studios and offices with at Dewan Tunku Abdul Rahman with a relatively low powered transmitter at Bukit Sungei Besi.

As I have already explained to this four service cater the for House 4859 11 JANUARY 1964 4860 languages in one channel.

It covers 10 to 15 miles around Kuala Lumpur.


Plans for permanent studios and offices to be constructed on a newly acquired site at Pantai Valley are in the advanced stage of design and it that work on construction is hoped would begin early this year.

It is also planned to go to higher power trans mitters to extend the service to 40 to 50 miles around Kuala Lumpur and to broadcast on two channels.
The amount provided is for capital expenditure in the esti in mates respect of equipment for initial service and for progress payment to wards the building of the permanent centre.
It is planned that the project will be completed by the end of 1965. the Provision of funds is also required for the erection of building and trans mitter on strategic points along the West Coast so that the signal could be received by all towns on the West Coast from Kangar in the North to including Singapore, Johore Bahru, in the South.

Most of the sites chosen have been on developed sites where the Telecoms Department have their communication services.
This is in order to save money for development and to cut down maintenance costs.

Plans for extending the service to the East Coast is now the aim being under active study, that the service would eventually cover nearly 75% of the population if every house has a television set.
The Go vernment is encouraging the owner ship of sets by levying a very low licence fee and have encouraged manu facturers to start television industries in our country in order to provide cheaper television sets besides pro viding Malaysian with employment.

This I am very glad to report has met with very favourable reaction as pro ducers have applied for manufacturing licences under scheme encouraged by Government.
the pioneer It is the Alliance Government's intention that the public should not be burdened by this amenity and in this respect the Government has plans for tele the introduction of commercial vision so thus earned that revenue could bridge the gap between expendi ture and income.

I must say that Television is no more a luxury—it is a necessity in this modern and progressive world we live in today.

The amount asked for will be recovered many times over but that is not the aim.
The Government's aim is to bring to your houses a richer and varied life and most of all to bring about a greater understanding of what is going on around us.

Head 105—{Information)— the terms of Work on the new Filem Negara in April, Malaysia Buildings started 1962 and under the Contract should have been completed in April this year, but owing to un avoidable delays, the building is still not completed.

It may take another 4 or 5 months before completion and Filem Negara moves into its premises.
A review of the expenditure position has increase of further $276,675 bringing the total cost of the project to $4,097,569.

The additional sum is for payment of Customs duty on new equipment as well as purchase of other equipment.

to a led The building of the Civics Centre is now to cost $750,000 estimated postponed the to after 1965 under Third Five-Year Plan.

$18,536 has already been spent on the acquisition of land.
and Broad Head 155—Information casting (Sabah)— the require I shall now deal with ments of Sabah for which a provision of $950,342 is now being sought.

The biggest item under this Head is Sub-head 4, Development and totalling Expansion of Radio Sabah $1,239,372 in all for which an alloca tion of $866,000 is now being sought.
This is a scheme which envisages a comprehensive radio in various parts of Sabah facilities which was drawn up some time ago and started from assistance under the Colonial Development funds and was approved the Federal Authorities.

recently by expansion of 4861 11 JANUARY 1964 4862 It is divided into two stages and the money now sought is for Stage I under which the main V.H.F.

Trans mitting Station will be established at Mount Kinabalu with Medium Wave relay at and Sandakan, Jesselton and Tawau.
Under Stage II of this scheme similar broad casting facilities will be extended to Lahad Datu, the Kudat Peninsula and Tenom.

transmitters station to serve supposed The existing transmission facilities which comprise one 5KW Short Wave transmitter the whole State and one JKW Medium Wave transmitter serving Jesselton is most inadequate from the point of view of State wide coverage and from the programme a multi demands of language service.
The solution to the problem of broadcasting in Sabah lies in the establishment of a central V.H.F.

Transmitting Station located at Mount Kinabalu which is expected to provide a fairly satisfactory signal to most of the populated parts of the State.

This V.H.F.

signal will be picked up and fed to Medium Wave transmitters in the densest populated areas to provide first class service for all the main towns, hence obviating' the necessity of buying a new set for V.H.F.

reception.
reception.

This scheme would incorporate two networks for simultaneous broadcast instead of the single network now in operation.

A Studio centre to enable the origination of programmes will also be established at Sandakan but the master control of the national networks will remain in Jesselton.
to cater for The other sums are required to complete the purchase of equipment for the new Studio Centre at Jesselton especially in settling up the second Continuity Studio the increasing demand for programming to establish a small facilities and receiving station in Jesselton to enable the of Radio reception Malaysia's and other such broadcasting stations' programmes for relay pur poses.
proper Head 181—Broadcasting (Sarawak)— Money under this Head is required to complete the scheme of establishing a new Transmitting Station in Kuching which was started some time ago under assistance from the Colonial Develop ment funds.

Under this scheme three 20KW Short Wave Transmitters would be installed to cover the length and breadth of the State from Kuching itself.
Since transport and other road communication in Sarawak facilities are most inadequate, it is not possible to establish the desired Medium Wave stations centered at the densely popu lated areas such as Sibu, Miri, etc.

The best solution therefore is to resort to fairly high powered Short Wave Transmitters directed to these areas from Kuching itself.
Mr Chairman, Sir, from the forego ing, I am sure Hon'ble Members will agree that the Development Projects which will be embarked by this Minis try in the coming year is an ambitious one.

Yet, I will not hesitate to assure the House that they are realistic, prac tical and feasible.

A lot of thought and planning has gone into them to ensure its smooth execution and maximum success.
In this connection I would like to inform the House that it is this Ministry's policy to provide opportuni ties for its own officers to participate as much as possible in the planning as well as the execution of every pro ject.

In order to equip them for this task, we have from time to time sent technicians, engineers and other officers abroad.
This year alone we have sent no less than twenty such officers to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, United Kingdom and the United States under the Colombo Plan for such specialised training.

Most of them have already returned home to man our various projects.

Sir, I beg to move.

Enche' V. Veerappen: Mr Chair man, Sir, in a long rambling speech the Assistant Minister of Information and Broadcasting touched on Sub-head 16, Overseas Broadcasting, and said that it is a vital necessity for nation building.
Although I do not agree that it is a vital necessity for nation building, I do agree that it is necessary to project the identity of the nation and to make the people around aware of the country, and I am glad that nearly $2 million ~ 4863 11 JANUARY 1964 4864 has been asked for the development of this.

But what I regret, Mr Chairman, Sir, is that some of the things that come out of the broadcast do not follow the times.
By the grace of God, the tension in this area is lessening and I was surprised last night that immedi ately after the commentary on what happened in Manila this broadcast should have continued to resort to violent and abusive attacks against our neighbours, who have now toned down a great deal.
I also appreciate that our Government and especially the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minis ter have also taken the cue and I should say, from their speeches, they are reacting in a way that should find a peaceful solution to our problem.

But nevertheless, it so happens that Radio Malaya seems to be the place for one or two political refugees from Indonesia, who seem to be using this as an opportunity to take their revenge back on Indonesia.
However, let them understand that they should not make this country a pawn in their game and, therefore, I shall be brief in calling upon the Minister to take steps to see that this radio attack ceases.

The Presi dent of Indonesia was termed a rogue last night.
I have never heard the broadcast from Indonesia and, there fore, I do not know what comes out through it, but I do say that Radio Malaya should follow the times and, if necessary, the commentator should be removed if he cannot adjust his commentaries to suit the times.
Now, I come to the question of tele vision, and here I feel indeed very sorry that none other than a Minister of the Government should have thought it fit to challenge a person for represent ing the views of a section of the people although that person does not know the language.
What I mean to say is that the other day when the question of television time for Tamil programme was brought up, the Assistant Minister of Labour, who is an Indian, challenged the Member for lpoh saying that he does not know Tamil.

I would like to ask the Government this : are we here to represent the people whose language we speak, or are we here to represent the citizens of this country?

Must I not, as an Indian, though I may not be able to speak Malay, speak for the Malays?
Should I not speak for the Chinese if I do not eat pork?

We are here to speak for anybody, whether he is Tamil speaking or Punjabi speaking, or whether he is a Sikh or a Malay or anybody else.

We speak for the Indians of this country and not like the Assis tant Minister .

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Mr Chairman: Order, order.

Enche' V. Veerappen: I think he owes an apology to all of us, Sir.

Mr Chairman: Order, order!

I want to ask you under what item are you talking.


Enche' V. Veerappen: Television, Sir, that is under sub-head 1 of Head 104.

Mr Chairman: How do you connect the challenge with Tamil programmes on the television?

Enche' V. Veerappen: Television time for Tamil broadcasts, Sir.

I was saying that the Honourable Assistant Minister owes an apology not only to the Tamils but to all the people in this country.

That is all, Sir.
That is all, Sir.

Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji Muda: Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak berchakap berkenaan dengan Siaran Sa-berang Laut (Overseas Broadcasting) di-dalam Kepala 103, Pechahan Ke pala Kechil 16, di-untokkan sa-banyak $1,960,000.
Saya perhatikan Siaran Sa berang Laut yang berjalan sekarang ini tidak banyak bahasa yang di gunakan, sedang tujuan kita mengada kan Siaran Sa-berang Laut ia-lah supaya dapat negara2 dan ra'ayat yang berjiran sa-kurang2-nya mengetahui hal-ehwa1 dan kedudokan dalam negara kita ini sendiri, ia-itu mengena1kan negara kita kapada dunia luar.
Jadi patut-lah da lam Siaran Sa-berang Laut ini di adakan juga siaran dalam berbagai bahasa saperti bahasa2 Thai, Burma, Tagalog untok orang Pi1ipina dan demikian juga bahasa Inggeris sendiri untok Australia dan sa-bagai-nya.

Jadi, dengan ada-nya Siaran Sa-berang Laut yang berbagai bahasa saperti ini dapat lah dunia luar mengetahui lebeh jelas dan lebeh dekat tentang hal yang ber laku dalam tanah ayer kita.
Tidak-lah Ii> 4865 11 JANUARY 1964 4866 saperti sekarang ini saya nampak kebanyakan Siaran Sa-berang Laut ini ia-lah dengan menggunakan bahasa Indonesia sa-mata2.

Betul-lah kita se karang sedang ada konferantasi dari Indonesia, tetapi asas kita mengadakan Siaran Sa-berang Laut bukan-lah · itu sa-bagai pokok-nya.

Kita hendak me ngenalkan negara kita, jadi di-samping kita menjawab konferantasi dari Indo nesia itu mahu juga kita mengenalkan tanah ayer dan negara kita ini kapada dunia.
Jadi, saya minta-lah kapada Yang Berhormat menimbangkan pada masa yang akan datang ini supaya Siaran Sa-berang Laut ini di-adakan dengan berbagai2 bahasa.

Tuan Haji Azahari bin Haji Ibrahim (Kubang Paso Barat): Dato' Pengerusi, saya suka hendak mengambil kesem patan untok merayu kapada Kerajaan di-bawah Kementerian ini ia-itu Ke pala 105-Information.
Saya suka hen dak menarek perhatian Kementerian ini di-atas kedudokan penerangan bagi Jajahan Kubang Pasu yang mana pada hari ini saya merayu pada pehak Kera jaan supaya dapat di-adakan satu buah kereta penerangan.
Mengikut perun tokan yang di-adakan di-sini, saya berasa susah hati-lah oleh kerana tidak ada specific programme, atau pun peruntokan tegas supaya di-beri pene rangan yang lebeh luas kapada pen dudok2 di-Jajahan Kubang Pasu; sa-kurang2-nya jikalau ada niat Kera jaan bagitu, tentu-lah akan di-adakan peruntokan yang banyak guna membeli beberapa banyak buah kereta pene rangan, atau untok menayangkan wayang gambar.
Jadi, saya minta su paya di-timbangkan untok di-adakan satu buah kereta yang khas bagi Jajahan Kubang Pasu, oleh kerana saya ta' payah-lah sebutkan bagaimana faedah-nya penerangan itu kapada ra'ayat, tetapi sa-takat yang ada pada hari ini kelebehan Jabatan Penerangan Jitra ada-lah bergantong belas kasehan kapada pegawai, atau Pejabat Pene rangan di-Alor Star.
Sa-kira-nya ada satu2 penerangan di-Alor Star itu menggunakan kaki-tangan di-Alar Star itu, maka ta' payah lagi pehak Jitra hendak menggunakan-nya, pada hal kawasan yang hendak di-gunakan ada lah lebeh luas daripada negeri Perlis dan pendudok2-nya ada-lah daripada pendudok2 negeri Perlis.

Saya sudah banyak kali berchakap dalam perkara ini, tetapi kalau boleh merayu-lah kapada Treasury untok di adakan peruntokan di-sana .

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Mr Chairman: Awak merayu ka mana itu?


Tuan Haji Azahari bin Haji Ibrahim: Saya merayu kapada Menteri.

Mr Chairman: Waiau pun awak merayu sa-kali pun, awak mesti-lah menghadap kapada Pengerusi.

Tuan Haji Azahari bin Haji lbmhim: Saya sengaja hendak menarek hati Menteri!

Datu Mohamed Ismail bin Mohamed Yusof: Mr Chairman, Sir, I find it very difficult to reply to the Honour able Member for Seberang Selatan, because I just could not get his points due in his speech.
He said I rambled about in my speech, but, in actual fact, he was rambling about in his speech, raising a I could not understand.

to his rambling about few points which Sir, he did mention something about Radio Malaysia overseas broadcast and said something to the effect that he disagreed that this is an instrument for nation building.

He did not say why he disagreed.


However, the fact remains, Sir, that in the present context of confrontation from Indonesia, the overseas broadcasting, which covers the territories of Sarawak and Sabah including Singapore and Malaya, is essential in order to bring together the various racial groups that form the Malaysian nation, with one purpose national unity and national cause-to fight this confrontation.

Therefore, overseas broadcasting is very important from the viewpoint of nation building.
Sir, the Honourable Member went on to say that tension has lessened now.

I simply could not understand when he said that, because the fact is that we are still facing confrontation.

We hear our fishermen being molested and robbed their catches, of their equipment; we also hear of Indonesian subversion and the high seas of in 4867 11 JANUARY 1964 4868 infiltration into our territory in Borneo.

the Honourable Member says But, that tension has lessened.
The fact that a few days ago President Soekarno himself went to Manila to have a talk with President Macapagal is, in itself, a proof that tension has not lessened— on the contrary, he has mounted tension in this part of the world.

So, in suming up, the Honourable Member told this House that Radio Malaysia should not attack Indonesia, but he has not said a word to this House that Radio Jakarta should not attack us.
He has given the impression to this House that it is Radio Malaysia the that is attacking Indonesia.

But it is actual position is the reverse: Indonesian Radio been has abusive and attacking this country, this Government and this it because we country.

We know monitor the broadcast by the Indone sian Radio Stations, and the language they use is abusive and vulgar.
the people of that Now, regarding Television air-time for Tamil programme, he was only replying to the Honourable Assistant Minister of Labour, and I still could not catch his point, because he was more or less trying to say that one need not know Tamil to defend the interest of one community.

But I do not know whether he, in fact, speaks Tamil although he might call himself an Indian, but it is not for me to argue on this point.

I think he can take this up with the Honourable Minister of Labour.
in order language or the Tamil Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pasir Puteh telah menyatakan kapada Dewan ini bahawa siaran sa-berang laut Radio Malaysia tidak menggunakan bahasa2 sa-lain daripada bahasa Indonesia.

Ahli Yang Berhormat itu sa-benar-nya ta' ta' tahu apa yang berlaku dan biasa dengar siaran sa-berang laut.

Kalau ta' biasa dengar, tolong tanya dalam perkara ini, sebab siaran sa- berang laut pada masa ini mengguna kan bahasa Inggeris, bahasa Mandrin dan bahasa Indonesia.
Sa-lain daripada itu Kementerian dan sedang pun bersedia hendak mengada- kan dua tiga bahasa lagi, umpama-nya saperti mana yang di-shorkan oleh ini berura2 itu, dan bahasa Burma Ahli Yang Berhormat ia-itu bahasa Thai, atau bahasa Siam, harus juga bahasa Vietnam.
Tetapi untok mengadakan siaran berbagai2 bahasa itu mustahak pula Jabatan Siaran Radio ini men- dapatkan pegawai2 yang berkelayakan, dan ini bukan-nya satu perkara yang mudah; saya suka-lah memberitahu kapada Dewan itu-lah dasar Kerajaan ini bahawa ini manakala siaran sa-berang di-perbesar, di-perelokkan dan di-susun terator, maka siaran dalam dengan bahasa2 lain itu akan di-jalankan .

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.. sunggoh pun bagitu laut Mr Chairman: Bahasa Korea ada juga!

(Ketawa).
(Ketawa).

Datu Mohamed Ismail bin Mohamed Yusof: Bahasa Korean ta' ada.

(Ke tawa).

atau terutama selalu menambah, Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Kubang Pasu Barat telah membangkitkan soal kereta penerangan sa-kali dalam kawasan-nya itu, Kubang Pasu Barat.
Sa-bagaimana yang telah saya ia-itu Jabatan Penerangan terangkan ini pun menukar kereta burok kapada kereta jadi kalau ada kekurangan baharu, lagi kereta2 pene akan di-tambah itu supaya di-tiap2 kawasan rangan dapat di-adakan penerangan2 dalam Ini ber- kawasan pilehan ra'ayat di-kampong2 ma'ana boleh mendapat siaran dan boleh mendapat serta mendapat pene pengetahuan rangan yang memuaskan berkenaan dengan dasar dan ranchangan2 Kera jaan.
Jadi itu, boleh-lah saya mengambil ingatan dan supaya saya di-tiap2 kawasan itu mendapat pene rangan2 daripada kereta2 yang berjalan dari satu kawasan ka-satu kawasan.

Sekian.

tentang kawasan-nya raya-nya.

atorkan chuba akan Enche' Tan Phock Kin (Tanjong): Mr Chairman, Sir, I regret to note that the reply given by the Honourable the the Assistant Minister for raised by points Seberang Selatan an ignorance as to the purpose of overseas broadcast.
My Honourable friend from Seberang Selatan raised the point that a good broadcast should not neces sarily be abusive, and he referred to to some of the Member demonstrates 4869 11 JANUARY 1964 4870 the that is friendly in to us and that the one in important point is being President of a Republic referred to as a rogue; and whether that Republic to us or otherwise is quite beside the point.
We must appreciate an overseas broadcast is not directed merely to the few hostile people who are responsible for the broadcast.

An overseas broad cast is intended to win the hearts of the people of a hostile territory.

We that that not everyone assume territory the is hostile purpose of a broadcast is to win them over; and I say we cannot win the people over by calling their President a rogue or other nasty names.
In the Indonesian same manner, if broadcast is going to win over the people of this country, it will not do them any good if they call our Prime the Minister names.

So, I feel that people who are directing Radio Malaysia have no imagination what soever, and they have no sense of proportion.

I am not saying that we should not retaliate any hostile broad cast from another country, but I say that such retaliation must be more imaginative, and language used must be more restrained and more the same dignified.
We can serve purpose of retaliating a hostile broad cast by more imaginative methods and I the activities of Radio Malaysia, it has in this respect very dismally.

failed The people in Radio Malaysia are thinking that they are directing their broadcast to a very small section of the population and as such they are not making very much progress as expected of them.
I feel, Sir, that had Radio Malaysia a more enlightened attitude in its broadcast, we may by this time be able to work up certain effective public opinion in Indonesia which may be a cause for restraining Indonesian confrontation to some extent.

The that Radio Malaysia has been unsuccessful in this sort of work is, I think, due primarily to I this unenlightened policy, and do not know whether it is that of the Government or of the Minister himself.
judging by feel, Sir, adopted that, fact the Mr Chairman: (To Datu Mohamed Ismail) Do you wish to reply?

using twisting Datu Mohamed Ismail bin Mohamed Yusof: Yes.

The Honourable Member, I think, is defending his Honourable the commentaries which friend on from were supposed to have come Radio Malaysia the word "rogue".

I wish to assure the Honour able Member that Radio Malaysia never referred to the President as a rogue.
The commentator of Radio Malaysia says something to the effect that the journalists of the Philippines are so bold and fearless that they will not hesitate to call a rogue a rogue.

the Honourable Member Obviously, and his colleague are the forthcoming the facts because of elections.

But I must tell the Honour able Member and that Radio Malaysia has always been objective in its broadcast; in fact, it in has built up public opinion Indonesia.

This has been proved by the President issued Soekarno, Edict.
No.

13, prohibiting the people in Indonesia to listen in to Radio Malaysia.

That in itself alone is proof of how effective Radio Malaysia has been all this while building up public opinion in Indo nesia, that Radio Malaysia has all this time been broadcasting, as I say, objectively in enlightening the people.

We have never been abusive nor have we used any abusive word or words as the one mentioned just now by the Honourable Member.

this House simple reason decree the for by Question put, and agreed to.
to 105 The sums of $19,031,188 for Heads for 103 Head 155, and $106,762 for Head 181 agreed to stand part of the Develop ment Estimates, 1964. inclusive, $950,342 Heads 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 113, 114, and Heads 156, 182 and 206— The Assistant Minister of the Interior (Enche' Cheah Theam Swee): Mr Chairman, Sir, I would like, with your permission, to deal with Heads 107.
108, 109, 110, 111, 113 and 114, and those Heads under Sabah, Sarawak and Singapore, within the responsibility of this Ministry, namely, Head 156 for Sabah, Head 182 for Sarawak, and Head 206 for Singapore at one rising.

4871 11 JANUARY 1964 4872 Head 107, Chemistry— A sum of $12,570 is asked for.

This sum is required for the purchase of the necessary equipment for the proposed Laboratory for Sugar Testing which will be set up in the Penang Office of the Chemistry Department this year.
With the establishment of such a Laboratory, it will be possible for the to conduct analysis of Department raw sugar the sugar to determine content for purposes of import duty.

Head 108, Printing— in is now A sum of $202,274 is sought and this is for the project on construction of a new Branch Press at Ipoh.

The the course of building construction and will be ready to function as a Branch Press this year.

The provision represents a revote from the 1963 provision.
Out of this sum, $160,000 is for the balance payment due the building contractor on completion of the building in April and the balance of $42,274 is for the purchase of office equipment and machinery.

the necessary to Head 109, Prisons— A total sum of $450,796 is required.

With regard to Sub-head 13, a token provision of $10 only is shown, as attempts to secure a suitable site for the proposed "Agricultural Scheme for Henry Gurney School" has so far not been successful.
Sir, I very much regret to say that we have not been able to pursue this matter although I am sure the House will agree that this is a scheme, because we have laudable found great difficulty in trying to get a suitable site.

these are all for As for the various provisions sought under Sub-heads 14, 15 and 16 respectively, the purpose of construction of quarters and barracks for prisons' personnel in accordance with the Department's phased programme under the Second Five-Year Plan.
There is an acute shortage of quarters for the Prisons' uniformed their conditions of service, warder staff, for instance, are entitled to free accom modation and they are required to live and, under staff available.

Because of in Prison quarters, so that they are the readily shortage of quarters, some of them are housed in poor accommodation some distance away from the Prisons, and this, I am sure the House will agree, is unsatisfactory.
The House will agree with me also that proper quarters are necessary the Prisons' organisation as well as for the morale of the Prison uniformed staff.

the efficiency of for Head 110— to make loan.

In order interest well below I now come to Head 110—Housing: Sub-head 4—Low-cost Housing, This year it is proposed to provide a sum low-cost housing.
of $6,000,000 for This, as shown under column (10) is a low-cost housing, the cost of which shall be as low as possible, it has been necessary for the Federal Government and the State Governments to subsidise the various schemes.

The Federal Govern ment makes available loans on rates of the normal market rate repayable over a period of 17 years, if the scheme is a hire purchase scheme, and over 60 years if the scheme is a rental scheme.
The State Governments on part provide land on nominal term and are responsible for site works, construction of approach internal roads, water supply and electricity mains without any charge the scheme—that would be State Govern the scheme.

ments' contribution Without it will be impossible for houses or flats to be classified as low-cost and to cater for the lower income groups.
these subsidies, roads, drains, their to to in that Sir, I am sure that the House will agree respect of such an immense item as housing, a sum of $6,000,000 is not a proper perspective.

But nevertheless, I am sure the House will be with me when I say that, though housing constitutes a major basic social development, its expendi if we were to tap on ture would, Government resources, overstrain the Government resources.
That being the case, we have explored—and to a great extent successfully—other avenues for financing housing schemes.

4873 11 JANUARY 1964 4874 for housing Sir, I think, we still remember the announcement made by the Honour able the Minister of Finance that the Commissioner for the Federal Capital has been authorised to float a public loan in the region of $20,000,000 for housing.
Out of this $20,000,000 it is expected that a sum of $10,000,000 would be utilised for Government officers and $10,000,000 for public housing.

I am glad to announce that the Commissioner for the Federal Capital has made consider able progress already in the flotation of this public money, and I expect that the success of this enterprise would, perhaps, set the pattern of things to come in the field of housing in this country.
Therefore, I do not expect Honourable Members to be perturbed over the provision of only $6,000,000 for housing in these Estimates.

Further, I would like to mention that the Government is in the process of acquiring some 700 acres of land at the Setapak, just a few miles from centre of the Federal Capital, for the purpose of housing.

This is a fairly ambitious scheme and the details are being worked out.
It is expected that we can go into the operation of this scheme by the end of this year, and I am sure that the success of this scheme holds out what I would call a golden promise to a large number of homeless families in Kuala Lumpur.

Heads 111 and 113— I now come to Heads 111 and 113.

These items, again, are loan funds to the Municipalities and they, in fact, speak for themselves.
111, Under Head of $3,450,010 is sought for a loan by the Federal Capital for the purpose as shown in the Sub-heads which are: sum a Sub-head 23—Sewerage—$1,500,000: This is an extension of the sewerage system, planned with the object of eliminating as far as possible all night soil collection in the Town centre.

Sub-head 24—Municipal Offices— $10: Since there is certainty of a site there is only a token and therefore sum.
Sub-head 25—Wholesale Market— the wholesale for $500,000: Land market at Maxwell Road has been acquired.

Tender for the construction of the market has been accepted and work will commence soon.

The project is expected to be completed by June this year.
Sub-head 27—Roads—$500,000: A team of consultants has been commis sioned to survey the traffic conditions in the Federal Capital, and until a report is received no major roadworks will be carried out with the exception of Jalan Pekeliling dual carriageway between Jalan Ipoh and Jalan Pahang and other minor road improvements.

Sub-heads 30—Street Lighting Im provements—$200,000: This loan is for the continuation of the Scheme for the general improvement of street lighting throughout the Municipal area.
the continuation of Sub-head 31—Surface Water Drain age—$750,000: This sum is required for the existing programme which is designed to bring the system drainage up to an adequate standard to cope with the increased development of the town and to reduce flood during heavy rain.

It is to be that unless continued pointed out improvements are made to the system of drainage, particularly surface water, to cope with the development of the town, the problem of flooding will remain serious.
Under Head 113, sum of $750,000 is a loan to the Penang City Council for the purposes as shown in the Sub-heads which are: the Sub-head 4—George Town Sewerage Extension—$700,000: This 'is required for the continuation of the sewerage scheme to serve the whole City.

loan Sub-head 8—Abattoirs—$50,000: The money is required for the construction of new abattoirs to replace the existing abattoirs which are out of date.

The new abattoirs will provide greatly improved facilities.
Head 114— Under Head 114 "Aborigines", a total sum of $506,000 is sought.

4875 11 JANUARY 1964 4876 in to enable is required accordance with With regard to Sub-head 1 a sum of the $363,000 Department to carry out its various projects its Five-Year Plan programme, the object of which is to provide more amenities to aborigines, particularly those living in deep jungle areas.
The provision under this Sub-head will be utilised for the following projects: (1) construction of seven Medical Posts in deep jungle areas, which are at present not covered by existing facilities.

These Medical Posts will bring the benefit of modern medicine to more than 3,000 aborigines; (2) purchase of a portable trans for mitter/receiver wireless set use at each of the 10 new Medical Posts (3 of which were built in 1963 and 7 to be built in 1964).
These wireless sets provide a vital communication link in our "flying doctor" service to the aborigines; (3) the launching of a Mobile Health Unit, which will play a vital role of the conduct of field surveys and provide on the spot treat ment to those aborigines infected with dysentry, intestinal worms.

and various other illness.
The Unit will consist of a Laboratory Technician, a Health Nurse and 2 Aborigines Assistants, and a fully equipped motor caravan; (4) the launching of a Mobile Dental Unit on the lines of a Mobile Health Unit; (5) construction of 8 new schools, hostels and Teachers' Quarters in Pahang, Perak, Kelantan, Selangor, Negri Sembilan and Johore as part of the programme for the extension of educational facilities; and (6) construction of an Administra tive Post at Kuala Rompin, Halting Station at Tapah, Staff Quarters at Bertam and at Ulu Gombak.
Under Sub-head 2, a sum of $118,000 is required to meet expendi ture on minor projects for the econo mic advancement of aborigines.
Funds under this Sub-head will be used for: (1) purchase of farming implements which will be distributed to abo rigine groups participating in "gotong royong" schemes under taken in all States; (2) distribution of fruit trees with a view to establishing dusuns; of fencing material; (3) distribution livestock and (4) construction of fishponds; (5) providing 6 large fishing nets and 4 outboard engines to the aborigine fishing community in Johore; (6) construction of 30 wells so as to provide wholesome water for drinking and cooking purposes; and (7) construction of 4 Community Centres—2 will be in Perak and 1 each in Selangor and Kelan tan.
Under Sub-head 3, a sum of $25,000 is required to enable the Department to carry out field surveys among the in remote groups of aborigines and the preparing various development schemes imple mented in the various States.

the groundwork for Head 156—Sabah— Sir, I now come to Head 156 for Sabah.

With regard to Sub-head 1, a sum of $424,000 is required for the con struction of a new prison, at Tawau.
The present prison at Tawau is totally inadequate for present needs, as it has accommodation for only fifteen pri soners and the daily average muster is over fifty.

Furthermore, it has no accommodation for female prisoners.

It is situated in the Police Compound and there is no room for extension.
The new prison, which it is proposed to construct this year will consist of: Ten Staff Quarters; Maximum cells with security accommodation for fifty prisoners; Mess hall and kitchen; Female cells; Single cells; 4877 11 JANUARY 1964 4878 Workshop; Office and Stores; and and the whole to be surrounded by a 14-foot wall.

Under Sub-head 3, a sum of $22,000 is sought as it is proposed to erect a new lock-up at Kudat with accommodation for 28 prisoners.
The present lock-up is a temporary build ing and the site is required for other purposes.

Head 182—Sarawak— the existing A sum of $104,195 standing under this Head is asked to be approved.

This sum represents the balance pay ment for the construction of a new Government Analytical Laboratory in Sarawak.

This Laboratory is under construction now, and ill is expected to be ready for occupation soon.
The volume and scope of analytical work of laboratory which started as the Chemist/Bacteriologist Laboratory, Public Works Department in 1959 continued to increase rapidly.

The total number of samples analysed during 1963 showed a 15 fold increase over the number of samples analysed in the first year of operation.

A new laboratory to to cope up enable with its the services.
increasing demand for is, therefore, required the Department Head 206—Singapore— Sir, a sum of $561,340 standing under Head 206, Prisons, is asked for.

The projects shown under this Head represent the final phase of develop ment projects, which have either been already started during the past year or years in the Prisons Department, but for some reason or other has not been completed.
The project on Expansion of Prison Industries is aimed at the development of more industries and the expansion of existing industries in the various prisons of Singapore, with the two-fold purpose of providing adequate em ployment to prisoners, the number of which is rapidly increasing, and of facilitating the rehabilitation of pri soners, so that on their release, they than can obtain employment easier those who have not been industrially trained.
A sum of $1,432,650 has been this project, originally provided for and until end of 1963, $1,008,310 has been expended, leaving the sum of $424,340 to be spent} this year to com plete the project.

Industries existing that are in the Prisons Department being expanded under this project are shoemaking, laundrying, carpentry, mattress making, printing, tailoring, toymaking, and other paper work, industries.
Those light miscellaneous industries which are newly created, or are in the course of being developed, are timber-grading, cement work, metalwork, car and bus respraying, and furniture-making.

On an average, Prison Industries bring in a cash revenue of about $180,000 per year in addition the forms of savings and value of work done for which no cash is collected, which is in the region of $700,000 annually.
timber-seasoning, to revenue in The projects on Modern Sanitation and Shed for 150 Inmates at Remand Prison are aimed at the improvement of facilities at the existing Remand Prison at Pearl's Hill, Singapore.

The sanitation currently in use at the Re mand Prison is outmoded and obsolete while the 150 inmates therein are not shaded in any form from the sun or rain in the courtyards, where they are detained during the day time.
As such to provide modern it sanitation and adequate sheds for the inmates of the Remand Prison.

is necessary The project to convert and expand Changi Camp at Moon Crescent to become a Medium Security Prison to accommodate about 500 first and second Offenders, who are deemed trainable, started in early 1963, on an approved provision of $287,000.

Of this amount, $187,000 has been spent so far and the balance of $100,000 which has been committed will have to be spent this year to complete this project.
The conversion and expansion the construction of includes scheme three big dormitories capable of accommodating 250 persons, a huge dining-hall, a kitchen for cooking food for 500 persons and a gigantic parade ground.

4879 11 JANUARY 1964 4880 The project on to improvements the buildings and grounds aims at repair from time to time of existing Prison buildings and grounds, which are being frequently worn out due to constant rough use by the 2,000 odd inmates.
Some of the buildings and grounds are more than 30 years old and I am sure the House will agree that these require frequent repairs.

Sir, I beg to move.
Sir, I beg to move.

(Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair) that he was going Enche' K. Karam Singh (Daman- sara): Mr Chairman, Sir, while most of the speech of the Assistant Minister sounded very nice and sweet, the barbs in that speech suddenly revealed themselves, when he touched on Sa- bah and pointed out, obviously with great pride and with a sense of achievement, to open a new prison in Sabah.
Sir, I do not know how many storey-high the prison will be and which gifted archi tect will come to design this building, but I hope that no person or persons from Sabah will take a cue from this and start boasting about this prison as a sign of the prosperity of Sabah.

Sir, we hear that these prisoners, who will be in the said prisons, will be taught industries and that the indus tries in the prison will be developed.
I hope too, Sir, that no one from Sa the prison bah will point out industries in that State are a sign of the economic development of that part of Malaysia.

If one does so, Sir, then, I am sure, it will only reveal to the world the repressive nature of things that are going on there.

that Then, Mr Chairman, Sir, it would also look rather strange that the first gift of Malaya to Sabah is a brand symbolic new prison.

What significance?
What significance?

Does it signify that the there are now people of dominated by the symbol of prison?

the State that its is Again, Sir, we hear that special quarters are going to be built or made for women, for our Malaysian sisters there.

From the speech of the Minis ter, we can gather that up to now there have been no women offenders in is preparation in Sabah, and that is why there have been no quarters for them in the hos the prison.
pitable surroundings of But, suddenly, when Malaysia comes for into being, there from housing our Malaysian sisters Sabah this new the quarters of prison.

Why?

Is it because you want to make provision for independent- minded ladies in that territory, who will not be taken in by the political charms of Mr Donald Stephens, who the political advances of will reject Mr Donald Stephens' Government, and who will want a greater indepen dence and a truer sovereignty for the people there?
Mr Chairman, Sir, this strange gift—and I have heard a few people from that area asking for .

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The Minister of Internal Security and Minister of the Interior (Dato' Dr Ismail): Mr Chairman, Sir, on a point of order—S.

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36 (1).

We are not discussing now the merits and the demerits of the prison.

The provision which is asked for here is for a prison to be built there.

Mr Chairman: Yes, it is irrelevant, and S. O.

36 (1) applies.

Don't touch on that!

You can speak about other prisons!


Enche' K. Karam Singh: Sir, I am speaking about that prison, and if the Minister is having his attention here, he would know that I am speaking about prisons.

I do not understand his embarrassment.


Sir, there have been requests for aid from those territories and there have been hopes expressed by the people that the Government of Malaya would be like Santa Claus; but I must say that this Santa Claus is not going to fill up the socks or stockings of the people there with gifts but that he is that going to fill up the prisons of place with that the population of place.

Mr Chairman: Order!

Order!

There that.


You is no money allotted for have been talking on the population, but we are discussing on this alloca tion for the prison.

Enche' K. Karam Singh: I am speak ing about the prison, but the Minister 4881 11 JANUARY 1964 4882 is only just trying to obstruct.

Mr there Chairman, Sir, so instead of being a Santa Claus, we find .

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Dato' Dr Ismail: Sir, on a point of order—Standing Order 36 (1).
I think to he must confine his observations what is asked for in the Development Estimates.

Mr Chairman: Yes, allotted there is no money Santa Claus (Laughter).

There is money allotted for that prison only.

So you are irrelevant.

for Enche' K. Karam Singh: I do not understand, Mr Chairman, Sir.

There is provision the Minister himself said the prison is for Tawau.

for a prison and Mr Chairman: But money is not allotted for what you have been talk ing just now.
Enche' K. Karam Singh: I am speak ing about the significance of the pri son and that the symbolic significance of is far from helping, assisting or developing that area.

the prison Dato' Dr Ismail: On a point of order.

We are not discussing the merits or demerits of the prison.

We are discussing the money allocated to build the prison in Tawau .

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.. Enche' K. Karam Singh: Yes, and I am opposing it, Mr Chairman.
Dato' Dr Ismail: Therefore, it is not the principle of the prison that is the point for debate now.

Enche9 Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman (Seberang Tengah): On a point of order.

The Honourable Member should in form the House whether that prison is too small or too big for him.

He the should mention about significance of the prison in Tawau.

(Laughter).

that, not Mr Chairman: (To Enche' K. Karam Singh) You should not discuss the merits or demerits of the prison.
You should speak on the money allotted for the prison.

Enche' K. Karam Singh: I am only this Government should saying not provide money for prisons there, that it because is going to create more trouble than goodwill.

That is why I am taking this stand, and I am sure the Minister is afraid to hear what I am saying, because I have to speak on the prison.

So long as I hold on to that prison, Mr Chairman, Sir, the Minister cannot stop me from speak ing.
(Laughter) So, Mr Chairman, Sir, that prison could only be the gift of Santa Claus gone insane and entirely out of his mind to think that by giving such a gift it will result in the sup pression of the people there, and that they are going to earn the goodwill of the people there.
throats of Mr Chairman, Sir, this also should bring us to our senses that when we thrust such unpalatable aid or deve lopment down the the people, then the people of Sabah can one day tell the Central Government to pack up and get out of that place, if it is going to carry on in this way.

Mr Chairman, Sir, even little Cam bodia told America to pack up and get out.

Dato' Dr Ismail: On a point of order.

I am requesting money to build a prison in Tawau.


We are not dis cussing the Development Plan in gene ral now.

Mr Chairman: Yes, I think I will have to stop you from speaking on that point.
Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr Chair man, Sir, I am only telling this Minis ter that if he carries on developing prisons, if he carries on making pro vision for the men, women and child ren of that country for imprisoning them and keeping the threat of im prisonment imminent, then the people of that country are going to throw this Ministry out of that part of the State.

And, Mr Chairman, Sir, although this Minister fond of uttering threats, I do not think the people of this country will be threatened.
is very Mr Chairman: Order!

Order!

Dato' Dr Ismail: Sir, I hold that action be taken against the Member the Standing Rules for contravening and Orders.

4883 11 JANUARY 1964 4884 Mr Chairman: (To Enche' K. Karam Singh) I rule you out of order.

Enche' K. Karam Singh: What I want this House to remember is that prisons will not win the goodwill of people.

of be or people Dato' Dr Ismail: On a point of the order.

We are not discussing prisons— demerits merits why to sent should prison.
We are discussing the money that is asked for from this House to build this prison in Tawau.

I beg of you, Sir, to use your power to stop the Honourable Member from disobeying your orders.

Mr Chairman: I have already ruled him out of order.

Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr Chair man, Sir .

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Mr Chairman: You want to argue with me when I said that I have already ruled you out of order?

Do not talk about that again.

You can speak on some other things.


Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr Chair man, Sir, do you rule me out from speaking on in Tawau.

the prison although it is provided for?

Mr Chairman: Yes, because you are speaking on the merits and demerits of the prison.

You can only speak on the money allotted for that prison.

Enche' K. Karam Singh: Sir, if you rule that I cannot speak on this prison in Tawau, then I am going to sit down, because that is going to be an unfair ruling.
There is money provided for the prison in Tawau and I have got to speak on it.

If you rule me out of order in speaking on the prison in Tawau, then the Chair is exceeding its powers.

Mr Chairman: What page is it?

Enche' K. Karam Singh: Page 46, Sub-head 156, Prisons, and the Assis tant Minister mentioned that he was speaking on a prison for Tawau.

Mr Chairman: I would like to refer you to Standing Order 67B (6) (ii) relating the Development Estimates, It says: " .
.. debate on the motion shall be confined to the service concerned."

You are to debate on items in now discussing prison policy; you are not confining yourself to the items in the Estimates.
Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr Chair man, Sir, so I would only say that this Government should not start building more prisons in North Borneo, and the people, who administer these powers to talk more imprison people, should reasonably and not go round threa tening people, because, Mr Chairman, Sir, if we talk like Madame Nhu, we will only bring disaster upon ourselves.

Dato' Dr Ismail: On a point of order, Sir.

Enche' K. Karam Singh: I have finished, Mr Chairman.

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

Toh Muda Haji Abdullah bin Haji Abdul Raof (Kuala Kangsar): Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak berchakap sa- dikit di-bawah Kepala 110, kepala kechil 4, ia-itu rumah murah.

Tuan Pengerusi, di-tempat saya di-Kuala Kangsar, rumah murah ada-lah sangat perlu kerana banyak orang di-sana telah pun bertanya2 dengan rumah murah itu dan ura2 membuat rumah murah di-sana telah pun ada sejak awal tahun 1962.
Bukan sahaja ura2 di-atas perkara itu tetapi Assistant State Secre tary telah pun datang ka-Kuala Kangsar berjumpa dengan ahli2 Majlis Perban daran dan telah pun melihat tapak yang di-ura2kan hendak di-dirikan rumah murah di-Padang Koloh, dan me shuarat telah pun di-adakan, perjum- paan State Secretary—saya telah lupakan bulan- nya tetapi tahun 1962—dengan ahli2 Majlis Meshuarat Perbandaran, Kuala Kangsar; juga telah di-binchangkan yang di-Padang Koloh itu ada-lah di-setujukan oleh ahli2 Majlis Meshuarat Perbandaran, Kuala Kangsar.
Akan tetapi kemudian- nya di-dapati tempat itu ada-lah rendah dan selalu bah, maka dengan sebab itu tempat yang lain telah pun juga di- dapati.

Sampai hari ini belum lagi ada apa2 perkara itu sama ada hendak di- buat atau tidak dalam pekerjaan di-atas ranchangan rumah murah di-Kuala Kangsar.
Jadi, saya di-sini, merayu kapada Menteri yang berkenaan supaya rumah murah di-Kuala ranchangan Kangsar itu di-teruskan, kerana orang2 Assistant di-antara perkara dan ini 4885 11 JANUARY 1964 4886 sudah menunggu2kan di-sana akan ranchangan2 rumah murah itu.

Sakian- lah, terima kaseh.

dengan berkenaan Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji Muda: Tuan Pengerusi, saya bercha- kap perkara rumah murah Kepala 110 pechahan kepala 4 yang di-dalam estimate ini di- untokkan sa-banyak enam juta ringgit.
Saya perchaya di-dalam enam juta ringgit ini memang ada tersedia di- sa-bahagian kechil pada dalam-nya orang yang menchadangkan untok rumah murah di-Kota Bharu, Kelantan itu.

Tiga empat hari sa-belum berakhir- nya tahun 1963 sa-puchok surat rasmi Kementerian telah di-sampaikan oleh Kementerian itu kapada Kerajaan ne- geri Kelantan yang menyatakan wang sudah siap, hanya menantikan pehak kesanggupan Kerajaan negeri mengada- kan persediaan untok membuat jalan, membuat bekalan electric lampu dan sa-bagai-nya.
saya Sa-malam, Yang Berhormat Menteri Dalam Negeri telah menapikan sama sa-kali kenyataan saya, dan telah menu- doh sa-bagai dusta di-atas keterangan2 yang telah berikan di-dalam Rumah ini, dan menyatakan bahawa langsong negeri menolak Kerajaan tidak mahu menerima bantuan dan pinjaman wang kerana rumah murah itu.

Saya dukachita, Tuan Pengerusi, kenyataan2 Yang Berhormat Menteri itu sa-chara kasar itu, tetapi mujor-lah, Tuan Pengerusi, telah di-minta supaya menarek balek kalimah dusta itu.
Sa-malam saya telah berhubong de ngan pehak yang bertanggong-jawab di-negeri Kelantan berkenaan dengan itu.

Saya ranchangan rumah murah minta penjelasan, malang-nya saya tidak dapat menerima minit2 dengan ada per- serta-merta di-adakan hubongan sa-hingga pagi tetapi melalui ini, talipon itu saya dapat satu kenyataan yang tegas bahawa sa-hingga hari ini belum pernah Kerajaan negeri itu de tegas dan tepat yang ngan sa-chara menyatakan bahawa tidak mahu mene rima duit daripada pinjaman rumah murah itu.
Apa yang saya cheritakan sa-malam ada-lah peroses yang ber- laku sejak dari mula ranchangan rumah murah itu di-ranchangkan untok di- sebab segera tidak dapat dirikan di-bandar Kota Bharu itu.
Sejak daripada soal menchari tempat, soal siapa hendak bertanggong-jawab mendirikan rumah itu daripada Majlis Bandaran bertukar kapada Majlis Kerajaan Negeri supaya Kerajaan negeri menyediakan peruntokan ke rana membuat jalan dan peruntokan2 yang lain, dan saya telah menyatakan bahawa di-dalam estimate itu Budget 1964 Kerajaan telah menyediakan lebeh dari dua ratus ribu ringgit kerana jalan dan bekalan ayer dan litrek di-kawasan perumahan itu.
Saya rumah murah suka-lah mema'alumkan kapada Dewan ini bahawa di-kawasan rumah murah itu telah pun sedia sekarang berdiri bangunan Sekolah Jenis Kebangsaan yang telah di-dahului" pembenaan-nya oleh Kementerian Pelajaran, dan saya uchapkan tahniah kapada Menteri Pe lajaran yang telah mendirikan bangunan rumah2 sekolah di-situ walau pun orang tidak ada di-sakeliling-nya sa- hingga sekolah itu sekarang ini telah berdiri dengan baik dengan nama Sekolah Ismail Putra yang terpaksa di-penohkan oleh murid2 dari semua kawasan Kota Bharu, sebab bangunan rumah murah itu belum di-dirikan.
Saya perchaya bangunan sekolah itu di-dirikan kerana mengharapkan ba ngunan rumah murah itu dapat di-diri kan. Tetapi mulai tahun hadapan sa- suatu akan berjalan dengan baik.

Pada 31hb Disember, 1963, ia-itu akhir-nya bagi tahun 1963 Jawatan-kuasa Khas kerana rumah murah itu telah bersi- dang, bagitu-lah ma'aluman yang telah saya dapat tahu pada pagi ini.
Dalam sidang itu di-ambil keputusan bulat dan menegaskan bahawa pehak Kera jaan negeri berkehendakkan pinjaman daripada Kementerian kerana wang ranchangan rumah murah itu, ini-lah sahaja perma'aluman yang saya dapati dan saya perchaya pehak Kementerian terutama-nya Menteri Keselamatan Dalam Negeri Yang Berhormat itu tidak-lah lagi chuba hendak meman- jangkan perkara itu, sekarang semua- nya sudah siap, duit juga telah ada, juga kalau hendak buat, buat boleh di-buat sa-kali, yang elok-nya kerja pembangunan jalan, bekalan api itu berserta dengan kerja mendirikan rumah itu, itu lagi baik, itu tanda kerja- apa sama sa-baik2-nya, tidak ada jalan 4887 11 JANUARY 1964 4888 benda yang hendak di-gadohkan atas perkara rumah murah itu.
Tuan Haji Azahari bin Haji Ibrahim: Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak bercha- kap berkenaan dengan Jalan2 (Roads) di-dalam Kepala 111, Pechahan Kepala 27.
Dalam perkara ini saya teringat pada satu masa di-mana Dewan ini dalam hendak meluluskan satu Rang Undang2 bagi menjadikan Ibu Kota ini di-bawah jagaan Pesurohjaya, maka di- situ ada-lah di-sebutkan bahawa pehak Ahli Dewan ini boleh juga berchakap tentang keadaan Ibu Kota ini, tamba- han pula manakala Dewan ini hendak meluluskan satu pinjaman sa-banyak $500,000 bagi jalan dalam Ibu Kota ini.
Jadi saya suka hendak menarek perhatian Pesurohjaya ini terhadap jalan yang terlampau burok sangat ia-itu Lorong Haji Taib.

ini ada berhubong dengan Lorong Jalan Tuanku Abdul Rahman dengan Jalan Raja Laut.

Kalau hendak tahu lagi mudah jalan yang dekat dengan Cosmopolitan Club.

Ibu Kota Barangkali, Pesurohjaya tidak pergi ka-kelab itu, jadi dia tidak menggunakan ini terlampau burok sangat.

itu.
itu.

Lorong Ibu Kota lorong ia-lah jalan ini lorong Kalau sa-kira-nya orang2 luar negeri melalui terutama sa-kali itu, orang2 dari Sabah dan Sarawak yang selalu menggunakan jalan itu, kerana hotel yang besar2 di-situ banyak satu nampak-nya pandangan yang burok terhadap jalan itu.

akan membawa Saya harap kapada Pesurohjaya mengambil perhatian dan membaiki jalan yang berlubang2 dan penoh dengan batu2 yang besar yang mana kereta susah lalu pada tahun ini juga ia-itu sa-belum Hari Raya, kalau boleh.
Enche' Liu Yoong Peng (Rawang): Mr Chairman, Sir, I wish to make a few comments on the items which have been provided under this Ministry.

First of all, I want to talk under Head 109, Sub-head 13, Agricultural Scheme for Henry Gurney School.

A year ago I did mention this to the Minister and since then a year has passed.

I can see the same—which is a nominal sum of $10.


Therefore, this indicates that there is the provision is still that no improvement in the situation what soever after a lapse of one year.

I think this may be attributed to the fact that when I mentioned this matter in the old House one year ago, the Assistant Minister concerned was unable to grasp the significance of what I said, and he had repeatedly said that he could not understand what I was talking about.
So, in order not to waste the time of the House, I suggested he should read more books about social reforms.

I do not know how many books he has read so far, but from the progress that has been made under this item, I think it has not gone anywhere at all.
So, now I wish to take this opportunity to say a few words about the desirability of speeding up this programme, for we know that one of the most important juvenile things delinquents is to provide them with some sort of training that is creative, so that when they go out of the reform school they will be able to do some work which can earn them a livelihood.
for Here, Henry Gurney School is exactly such a programme, a very essential pro gramme, which should be urgently given the opportunity of being carried out.

So, I hope the Minister would see to it that the land that is required for such a programme can be obtained as soon as possible, so that the people there can have the type of training that may be most suitable to them.

Some of them may be best suited for this type of agricultural training.
this agricultural scheme reform the of in Another matter which I want to raise now is under Head 111.

Sub-head 4, Batu Road By-Pass.

There is no money provided for this year.


Although a certain sum of money has been spent on it, I am sure that the con- diton of the Batu Road By-Pass is still very unsatisfactory, because Batu Road is still one of the most congested main roads in Kuala Lumpur, as in spite of the fly-over near the railway station the traffic congestion in Batu Road is actually getting worse.
There fore, there should be a by-pass for Batu Road which should run from the Campbell Road junction towards the new multi-storey Suleiman Court and 4889 11 JANUARY 1964 4890 then along Gombak River, coming out on the Ipoh Road side.

That would ease a lot of congestion by taking that might otherwise have to traffic utilise Batu Road.

As the congestion is so terrific that it is one of the biggest headaches of travellers in the city.
So I hope more money can be provided for the work on this project can be carried out as soon as possible.

this, and that is, it Enche' Mohamed bin Ujang (Jelebu- Jempol): Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak berchakap sadikit dalam Development Estimates ini, ia-itu Head 110, butiran 4 berkenaan dengan Low Cost Housing yang di-untokkan sa-banyak $6,000,000.
sukachita menerangkan Kera- Saya jaan Negeri tidak-lah Sembilan sa-bagai Kerajaan PAS di-Kelantan, kerana rumah murah ini banyak di- adakan di-Negeri Sembilan, barangkali ini ada-lah berkat kerjasama di-antara Kerajaan Negeri Sembilan dengan Ke rajaan Persekutuan.

Saya memang tertarek dengan ucha pan wakil PAS tadi yang mendesak supaya Ranchangan Rumah Murah ini di-adakan di-Kelantan dengan segera- nya.
Saya nampak uchapan ahli PAS yang baharu tadi bertelagah dengan uchapan wakil Bachok dahulu, ia-itu dalam masa membahathkan dasar Kerajaan, wakil Bachok mengatakan Ranchangan Rumah Murah ini tidak memberi faedah kapada ra'ayat dan sa-mata menghutangkan ra'ayat sebab mereka itu terpaksa bayar tiap2 bulan, dan ini beban, tetapi pada pagi ini kita dengar ahli PAS yang lain berchakap lain pula kehendak-nya.

Jadi, saya tidak faham apa-kah pendirian parti yang sa-umpama ini.
Tuan Pengerusi, dalam menguchap- kan terima kaseh kapada Kerajaan Persekutuan ini, di-Negeri Sembilan ada satu masaalah yang harus saya mem- berikan pandangan kapada Kerajaan ini supaya menyiasat, atau pun mem beri pertimbangan yang saksama.

Di- suatu tempat di-sana telah di-dirikan rumah2 murah ini sa-banyak 162 buah rumah, dan keadaan-nya sekarang ada- lah baik, tetapi apa yang saya kurang puas hati ia-itu saya nampak harga-nya terlampau mahal.
Sa-buah rumah di- lebeh kurang $7,000 sana harga-nya yang di-katakan rumah murah itu.

Saya juga bertanya kapada orang telah yang berkenaan dengan perkara ini, tetapi saya tidak mendapat jawapan yang sa-benar-nya.

Saya hendak tahu, ada-kah harga rumah yang sampai $7,000 itu termasok belanja menyedia kan tapak itu atau pun tidak.

Sebab apa, saya dapati di-lain2 tempat, rumah murah yang sa-umpama ini murah sadikit daripada yang ada di-Seremban.
Jadi, ini-lah yang saya minta kapada Menteri ini supaya menyiasat, ada-kah Kerajaan Negeri Sembilan itu memberi bantuan untok menyediakan tempat bagi membuat rumah2 murah itu, kera na kalau ada, saya rasa harga rumah2 murah itu akan murah sadikit.
rumah2 Tuan Pengerusi, berkaitan dengan perkara ini, saya nampak satu keru- mitan telah berlaku di-sana, kerana banyak daripada orang2 yang di-mak- sudkan hendak di-beri rumah2 itu telah tidak upaya hendak dudok di-rumah itu, kerana terlampau mahal dan Kera jaan terpaksa berkali2 memanggil orang nam dan akhir-nya sekarang saya telah pak maksud yang sa-benar-nya rumah2 tidak berapa betul, kerana itu sekarang telah di-dudoki oleh orang2 yang sa-harus-nya tidak-lah boleh di- beri rumah2 murah itu.
Saya dapati sekarang banyak telah di-ambil oleh satu orang dan di- lain, pada sewakan kapada orang hal maksud hendak tiap2 orang untok mem- memberi punya'i rumah sendiri.

Jadi, saya rasa, saya sudah bertanya kapada Kerajaan Negeri Sembilan, dia kata ada sharat2- nya, tetapi kalau sharat2 ada, kalau tidak di-laksanakan sharat itu, sharat itu juga tidak-lah berma'ana.
Itu-lah satu perkara yang saya berharap benar kapada Menteri ini supaya dapat me nyiasat perkara ini ia-itu supaya Kera jaan Negeri Sembilan itu memberikan kerjasama-nya, lebeh2 lagi bagi menye diakan tanah untok membuat rumah supaya rumah2 itu harga-nya murah sadikit daripada yang ada sekarang ini.

ia-lah kita itu Enche' Othman bin Abdullah (Perlis juga Utara): Tuan Pengerusi, saya sukachita-nya mengalu2kan dengan peruntokan perbelanjaan berhubong dengan Head 111—Ibu Kota Perseku tuan, Kuala Lumpur.
Satu perkara 4891 11 JANUARY 1964 4892 sahaja yang saya suka hendak menarek perhatian ia-itu berhubong dengan sub head 27 berkenaan dengan jalan2 raya di-Ibu Kota ini.

Saya juga menarek perhatian tentang satu daripada jalan yang saya agak perlu di-ambil ingatan oleh pehak yang berkenaan ia-itu di- hujong Jalan Raja Laut.

Hujong Jalan Raja Laut itu, jalan yang sangat kotor, bichak pada hal di-situ banyak rumah2 dan hotel2 yang telah pun di-dirikan.
Saya dapati banyak sungutan2 daripada pelawat2 luar negeri yang datang ber- kunjong di-situ, bertanya2kan hal ke- napa dan mengapa pehak Majlis Per- bandaran Kuala Lumpur tidak mem- bena jalan itu dengan sa-penoh-nya.

Dengan ada-nya jalan itu, akan juga dapat menolong bagi mengatasi lalu- lintas yang sangat sebok di-dalam Ibu Kota ini.

Saya rasa jalan itu boleh-lah di-teruskan hingga ka-jalan Parlimen yang ada pada hari ini.
Bagitu juga satu daripada jalan yang saya rasa patut pehak yang berkenaan mengambil ingatan dan melaksanakan dengan sa- berapa segera, ia-itu jalan ka-Utusan Melayu, Jalan Chan Sow Lin.

Saya rasa, jalan itu mengikut ranchangan-nya akan di-sambong antara Jalan Chan Sow Lin dengan Jalan Cheras, tetapi bila-kah masa-nya lagi hendak di-diri kan?
Saya rasa patut sangat, bukan sahaja Jalan Chan Sow Lin itu dapat memberi faedah kapada Utusan Melayu, tetapi faedah juga akan memberi kapada orang ramai seluroh-nya di- situ, lebeh2 lagi kita akan dapat mem- buktikan yang kita telah memberi satu dorongan kemajuan terhadap sa- buah di-dalam negeri ini.
akhbar kebangsaan Saya rasa patut-lah sangat pehak yang berkenaan ini mengadakan ran- changan supaya jalan yang tersebut itu di-bena dengan sa-berapa segera- itu nya, kerana bukan sahaja berfaedah kapada Utusan Melayu, tetapi juga sa-bagai sa-buah akhbar yang banyak pelawat2 yang telah ber- kunjong di-situ, dan semua-nya boleh di-katakan membuat sungutan2, kalau- lah Kerajaan telah mengadakan jalan2 di-tempat2 jalan di-situ lain, kenapa tidak di-bena dengan serta-merta.
jalan Perkara yang ketiga, juga menyokong chadangan daripada sau- saya dara saya tadi ia-itu Ahli Yang Ber- hormat dari Kubang Pasu Barat ber hubong dengan Lorong Haji Taib, dan saya suka menambah satu lagi ia-itu Jalan Cheras yang berhampiran di-situ juga, juga saya dapati bichak dan patut-lah Kerajaan mengambil tahu dan membuat ranchangan dengan serta-merta-nya.
Pada akhir-nya, saya mengambil kesempatan di-sini menguchapkan sa- tinggi2 tahniah dan terima kaseh ter hadap Pentadbiran Ibu Kota ini yang mana demi sahaja Pentadbiran Ibu Kota ini di-serahkan kapada sa-buah Surohanjaya, maka pentadbiran dan chara2 perjalanan-nya ada-lah berjalan dengan baik dan lanchar, dan sasuai- lah dengan taraf Ibu Kota ini.
Saya juga berseru bahawa dengan chara itu dan chontoh yang ada pada hari ini, patut-lah pehak Kerajaan mengkaji sa-mula berkenaan dengan perban- raya, di-tiap2 buah daran, bandar Negeri supaya pehak Kerajaan me ngambil aleh dan mentadbirkan sa- bagaimana pentadbiran yang ada di- Ibu Kota, Kuala Lumpur ini.
Dengan ada-nya bagitu, maka dapat-lah pehak ra'ayat2, atau penghuni2 di-dalam kawasan bandar itu hidup dengan chara aman dan sentosa dengan tidak berpehak kapada mana2 parti politik, kerana ma'alum tiap2 sahaja-lah bandar yang lain, ada-lah sentiasa di- lawati oleh pelawat2 dan pelanchong2 di-dalam dan di-luar negeri, maka taraf perbandaran, taraf Ibu Kota dan taraf Majlis Bandar Raya yang di- susun dengan irat-nya sesuai dengan keadaan masa.

Sekian-lah sahaja, terima kaseh.


pentadbiran Ibu Kota ini dan yang to Head Enche' Tan Phock Kin: Mr Chair the man, Sir, I would like to refer 110, Housing.

Minister Money is being voted for housing, and I would like to draw the attention of the Minister to the Klang Town Council to which money was allotted by the Ministry for the building of low-cost houses.
Sir, I have here a testimony from Councillor, Goh Keng Hee with regard to what can be described as irregular in activities of the Town Council 4893 11 JANUARY 1964 4894 Klang.

I think the Minister is aware that a low-cost housing project was instituted in Klang by the Council to build a sixteen-storey building, costing not more than $2 million.

A tender for piling was accepted for a lump sum amounting to $397,000.
However, Sir, in the meantime, there was elec tion in Klang and the composition of the Council changed.

It has become a Council with an Alliance majority.

As a result of the change in the com position of the Council, the original tender was scrapped, and piling work was awarded for $938,000 without advertisement in the to Councillor Goh Press.
According Keng Hee, this has resulted in the following : Firstly, increased; the cost of piling has been to a contractor Secondly, the cost of piling and piling caps would be $1,159,150; the ultimate Thirdly, according to the Acting Chief Architect, the project would not be less than $21/2 million, which is actually $500,000 more than what the Federal Government has granted for this project; total cost of into consideration Fourthly, according to Councillor Goh, taking the Consulting Engineers' fees, it would cost $1,000,300, just for the work up to ground level only; and Fifthly, according to the Chief Architect, the monthly rental of the two-room unit will cost $48.50 instead of $27.
So, Sir, the whole project cannot by any imagination be called a low-cost project, because the rental has been increased to $48.50.

Another glaring this particular project irregularity with is regard to the Consulting to that pertaining Engineer, and I think I can do no better than to read out to this House what Councillor Goh Keng Hee has to say with regard to the minutes.
He says : the minutes of "In going through the Low-Cost Housing Committee meetings of 17-10-63 and 17-12-63, one cannot help noticing that the decisions made therei n were vague and evasive.

At the meeting on 17-10-63, the Consulting Engineer assured the Com mittee that piling would be within the original estimate.
No one seemed to care to ask him the amount mentioned in the then original estimate, but everyone chose to assume that it would not be more than the original tender of $397,000 which the previous Council has the Committee meeting of accepted.
At 17-12-63 even the Consulting Engineer thought that there was an error in the calculation when the Acting Chief Architect drew his attention that, according to his plans, the piling and piling caps would cost $1,159,150; and again, this Consulting Engineer deemed it fit to call for the Contractor to proceed with full-scale piling on 12-12-63 when his report for two of the four test piles were only completed on 13-12-63."

irregu This, Sir, is another glaring larity.


How can the Contractor be asked to proceed with the piling when the report of the tests is only known on the 13th, and for the Contractor to start piling on the 12th?

These two are very important aspects which I think the Minister should look into.
the audacity is the motive Another point which, perhaps, the Minister has no control whatsoever is that one Councillor in the the fact to Town Council has suggest the use of bakau piles instead of concrete piles; and this is important because this particular Councillor was one of the signatories to the contract signed on 25-11-63 and in the con tract that it was stated specifically concrete piles should be used.
We do not know what that prompted this particular Councillor to suggest that bakau piles be used.

I feel that an investigation is necessary to determine as to why such a pre posterous suggestion was made by him at the Council meeting—and for the information of the Minister, this parti is not a Socialist cular Councillor Front Councillor.
The important fact with regard to this very deplorable situation is the fact that immediately after the elections, the Alliance Coun cillors in this particular Town Coun cil took deliberate action to prevent Opposition Councillors from serving in Standing Committees.

I do not know why this is so.


Perhaps, they thought that by eliminating all Oppo sition Councillors in such Committees, they will not be in a position to find out what actually goes on in the Council; and as a result of this, Sir, we have this very deplorable situation.

I would like to urge the Minister concerned to take a very serious view of this and to start immediate investigation into this particular complaint.
serving from 4895 11 JANUARY 1964 4896 Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid (Sebe- rang Utara): Tuan Pengerusi, saya ingin berchakap di-atas Kepala 114— Orang Asli, Sub-head 1—Extension to Deep of Government Services Jungle Areas, Sub-head 2—Minor Projects for economic advancement of 3—Investiga Aborigines, Sub-head tions and Surveys peruntokan sa- banyak $506,000.

Tuan Pengerusi, orang2 Asli ini selalu-nya sa-lepas dua tiga tahun mereka pindah chari tem- pat lain yang sesuai.
Jadi jika kita ikut kehendak orang ini selalu-nya kita kena menggunakan wang banyak untok masok ka-dalam hutan2 rimba berjumpa dan memberikan kemudah- an kesihatan dan perubatan kapada mereka.
Jadi saya mendatangkan satu pandangan supaya di-adakan perkam- pongan orang2 Asli ini di-champor dengan orang2 kita bersama2 mereka supaya mereka itu dapat hidup sa- bagai orang tamaddun dengan segera, boleh berchampor-gaul sa-bagai warga negara yang sa-benar2-nya mengetahui tanggong-jawab diri mereka di-atas itu terhadap Kerajaan.

Jadi saya ber- harap-lah kapada Kementerian ini sa- belum mengemukakan wang sa- banyak ini patut-lah di-kajikan dasar melaksanakan-nya.
untok Biar-lah orang2 ini di-satukan khas- nya di-antara mereka sendiri supaya dapat di-beri kemudahan2 sa-bagai mana persekolahan, kesihatan per ubatan dan lain2 kemudahan.

Dengan ini dapat-lah mereka bertukar kehi- dupan mereka daripada zaman kunu itu kapada zaman tamaddun mengikut keadaan masa.

hendak terlampau sewa $48 Tuan Pengerusi, berhubong dengan perchakapan Yang Berhormat dari Tanjong yang mengatakan bahawa bertingkat2 menggunakan bangunan mahal.
$48 bayaran Saya tahu, bandar raya Pulau Pinang ada bangunan bertingkat2 yang kena- kan sa- belum Majlis Bandar Raya di-kuasa'i ran- oleh Socialist Front ada satu changan di-Kampong perumahan Bharu Jalan Seang Tek.

Rumah2 ini ia-lah rumah model orang Melayu, tujuan-nya hendak di-berikan kapada orang Kampong Bharu yang keba- nyakan-nya orang2 Melayu dudok di- juga.

Dahulu tidak situ dengan bayaran murah sa-bulan.


Te lebeh daripada $35 tapi manakala Socialist Front ber- kuasa pada tahun 1961—ambil aleh, ranchangan tidak beri ini mereka kapada pemohon2 untok menerima sa- buah rumah yang sangat2 di-kehen- dakkan di-berikan-nya tetapi kapada orang2 parti-nya sendiri ia-itu parti Socialist Front dengan sewa bukan-nya bi-beri terus tetapi di-beri sewa kapada orang parti-nya.
itu saya tidak payah-lah Dan manakala orang2 parti-nya dapat rumah itu dia sewakan pula kapada orang lain.

Jadi, saya harap-lah Yang Berhormat Menteri tolong-lah ambil perhatian sadikit, kalau hendak beri bantuan kapada Socialist Front kena- lah ambil perhatian jangan di-gunakan duit itu sa-bagaimana yang di-minta pada dahulu.
Yang kedua, kalau Per- ikatan menang menubohkan Kerajaan rasa pehak Socialist Front berkhidmat dengan ahli Jawatan-kuasa, chukup payah, Tuan Pengerusi, kalau dia masok dalam Jawatan-kuasa apa yang kita binchang- kan dalam Jawatan-kuasa sa-belum kita sahkan dalam Majlis penoh, che- rita itu sudah keluar kapada orang lain, tepok dada, mengaku yang dia dia ini, yang itu dan menchadangkan orang2 semua dapat jalan, dapat rumah, dapat letrik dan dia mengaku bukan di-atas nama Majlis, tetapi sa-bagai nama diri dia membela untok ra'ayat, tidak benar sebab orang2 yang sa-umpana ini masok di- dalam Jawatan-kuasa yang mustahak, tetapi di-dalam Jawatan-kuasa yang tidak mustahak saperti buka tender, itu kita beri-lah, yang mustahak kita tidak beri, chukup merbahaya ia mengguna kan pengaroh-nya untok hendak mem- pengarohi diri dia dan parti dia, itu-lah keadaan dan pendirian Socialist Front itu.
itu saya sendiri Che' Khadijah binti Mohd.

Sidek (Dungun): Tuan Pengerusi, saya juga akan berchakap berkenaan dengan Low Cost Housing yang di-peruntokkan wang sa-banyak enam juta ringgit.
Di- dalam ranchangan rumah murah itu, Tuan Pengerusi, sa-bagaimana yang kita dengar dari Yang Berhormat Menteri tujuan mengadakan yang berkenaan ranchangan rumah2 murah itu ia-lah 4897 11 JANUARY 1964 4898 untok menolong memberi rumah ka- pada ra'ayat yang miskin untok memi- ini, leki rumah di-tanah ayer kita supaya tujuan asal daripada Kerajaan ini betul2 dapat di-rasa'i oleh orang2 miskin dalam negeri ini, Tuan Penge rusi, hendak-lah pehak Kementerian yang berkenaan ini mengawasi sung- goh2 kapada contractor2 yang meng- ambil bahagian dalam membuat rumah2 murah ini, sebab yang sudah berlaku dan supaya jangan berlaku lagi agar contractor2 itu bila hendak membuat rumah itu tidak memperhatikan dahulu tanah2 tempat rumah itu di-dirikan, ada tanah2 yang rendah mereka tidak mengambil peduli, saya fikir sa-bagai melepas batok di-tangga sahaja, asal di-dirikan tidak kuat, rumah—kuat betul tidak betul, tidak peduli-lah, ke rana itu untok orang miskin, mungkin barangkali pendirian daripada contrac tor2 itu.
Dan tidak pula barangkali dari pehak pegawai2 yang berkenaan yang menguruskan rumah2 itu tidak mengambil perhatian yang berat pula dalam soal itu, Tuan Pengerusi, sebab rungutan2 di-mana2 kita mendengar atau pun complain2 daripada orang2 yang telah memperoleh rumah2 murah itu.
Di-Majidi Baharu kebetulan tem pat saya dudok bersama di-situ, Tuan Pengerusi, sudah dua tahun rumah2 itu di-dirikan, ada rumah2 yang berkebe- tulan malang nasib orang yang men- dapat rumah itu ia-itu tanah-nya rendah, Tuan Pengerusi, apabila hari hujan sampai di-masa ini terlalu lechak ma- cham boleh di-buat bendang di- kawasan rumah itu, dan bila hari hujan lebat terpaksa-lah mereka itu bersiap2 kalau sa-kira-nya ayer naik di-rumah terpaksa pula mengangkat itu maka segala barang2 dapor dan mungkin akan berpindah pula di-rumah sahabat handai di-rumah yang berdekatan.
Jadi, kalau bagini-lah di-buat oleh pe hak Kementerian yang berkenaan, ter- letak atau kerja2 daripada contractor2 itu, ini ada-lah akan merosakkan nama baik dan tujuan baik asal pehak Kera jaan kita yang akan memberi sokongan dan bantuan kapada orang2 miskin.

Ini sa-olah2 kita beri mereka bantuan, tetapi juga di-dalam bantuan itu ada penganiayaan kapada mereka2 yang rumah2 murah yang sa- mendapat umpama itu.
Tuan Pengerusi, baharu2 ini, kalau saya tidak salah, dalam salah satu surat khabar pada 7hb January, ada rungutan2 daripada rumah2 murah yang baharu sahaja di-dudoki oleh orang2 di-Batu Pahat yang mengatakan tidak puas hati bagi pendudok2 di-tempat itu.
Saya merasa sunggoh betul juga, Tuan Pengerusi, dan saya lihat dengan mata kepala saya sendiri di-dalam Majidi Baharu—baharu sahaja di- dudoki oleh mereka, sampai sekarang mereka yang tidak ada berduit untok memperbaiki rumah itu bila hari hujan dan angin kenchang, bochor rumah itu—masok ayer sa-hingga di-tempat tidor anak2 kechil dan sangat menyu- sahkan bagi pendudok2 di-situ.
Bagai- mana chara contractor ini membuat benaan yang macham itu, saya pun tidak mengetahui-lah, Tuan Pengerusi, kalau sa-kira-nya pendudok2 itu ada terus menambah dan wang, mereka membaiki-nya di-mana tidak boleh masok, tetapi kerana tujuan kita hendak menolong orang miskin, untok membayar ansoran bulanan itu pun sakit bagi mereka, apa lagi akan me nambah dan memperbaiki membuat rumah itu lagi, Tuan Pengerusi.
Ini mungkin contractor2 itu, kerana hendak mengambil untong banyak, dan sa- bagaimana hasrat daripada Kerajaan hendak menyenangkan, atau menolong orang miskin daripada memileki rumah, saya juga berharap kalau yang sudah itu, barangkali tidak dapat di-perbaiki lagi, chuma dapat di-beri amaran kapada contractor2 itu untok mengha- dapi ranchangan2 yang akan di-bena pada masa yang akan datang ini.
ayer Sampai sekarang ini, Tuan Pengerusi, di-dalam kawasan saya di-Majidi Ba haru, longkang2 berkeliling rumah itu sudah mula di-bena, tetapi juga tidak dengan sempurna.

Di-buat oleh mereka itu, saya rasa lebeh baik tidak usah di-buat oleh mereka sa-sudah longkang2 itu di-buat maka antara satu keluarga dengan satu keluarga yang berdekatan di-sebabkan oleh longkang yang di-bena dengan tidak sempurna itu, Tuan Pengerusi, bergadoh satu dengan lain.
Mithal-nya longkang ru mah sa-buah rumah—tiba ayer yang di-depan rumah belakang daripada itu, 4899 11 JANUARY 1964 4900 kawan yang berdekatan.

Jadi, keko- toran daripada rumah itu tiba di-hala- man rumah kawan itu, dan kawan itu tentu merasa marah, Tuan Pengerusi.

Jadi, itu juga menyebabkan banyak nyamok dan banyak penyakit di-dalam kawasan2 itu.
Saya berharap kapada pehak Kementerian yang berkenaan supaya mengadakan penyiasatan di- dalam soal ini kerana tujuan asal dari pada pehak Kerajaan untok menolong orang2 miskin itu sunggoh2 dapat di- tujuan Kerajaan jayakan.

Jangan-lah dari asal-nya sangat suchi-murni, tetapi kerana pegawai2 di-bawah yang men- jalankan tidak berapa sempurna maka kerosakan nama baik itu di-timpakan ini, Tuan kapada Kerajaan.
Pengerusi, sampai sekarang di-dalam Majidi Baharu yang sudah dua tahun itu lebeh pembenaan rumah murah kesempurnaan parit2 atau longkang2 kechil yang berkeliling rumah itu be- lum di-selesaikan dengan sunggoh2 lagi.

Jadi, supaya ini saya berharap-lah pehak Kementerian akan mengambil perhatian yang sunggoh2 di-dalam soal ini.

Dan juga, Tuan Pengerusi, tentang hal pembahagian untok rumah2 murah ini, ada juga yang di-salah-gunakan oleh pegawai2 yang membahagikan rumah2 itu.
Jadi, orang yang sunggoh2 berharap hendak mendapat rumah itu tidak dapat, tetapi orang yang mem- punyai kemampuan, orang yang berada, orang yang mempunyai rumah dan tanah dapat rumah itu Jadi, Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan Pengerusi, pembahagian rumah itu bukan kerja Kementerian ini, itu kerja Local Council dan Municipal.

Jadi Yang Berhormat itu buang masa, Tuan Pengerusi.
Mr Chairman: Berkenaan dengan pembahagian rumah itu terpulang ka tempat itu masing2, sebab dia pada jawatan-kuasa yang memikirkan ada siapa yang patut dapat, jadi perkara itu tidak masok dalam Kementerian ini.

Che' Khadijah binti Mohd.

Sidek: Terima kaseh.


Yang sa-benar-nya, saya tahu soal itu, saya chuma menchadang- kan kapada pehak Kementerian yang berkenaan supaya memberi nasihat kapada pehak Kerajaan Negeri supaya perkara yang saya katakan itu jangan berlaku, sebab tujuan asal-nya dari pada Kementerian yang berkenaan, tetapi oleh telah di-salah-jalankan Kerajaan Negeri, maka nama yang tidak baik itu akan di-terima oleh Ke menterian itu saya ini.
Oleh sebab mengshor atau menchadangkan kapada pehak Kementerian supaya mengawasi dan memberi nasihat kapada Kerajaan Negeri supaya jangan berlaku yang demikian rupa dan hendak-nya tujuan asal itu berjalan sa-bagaimana yang di-buat daripada mula-nya oleh pehak Kementerian ini.

Jadi itu-lah harapan saya, Tuan Pengerusi, sa-moga pehak Menteri ini dapat mengambil perhatian dalam soal ini.
Enche' Cheah Theam Swee: Mr Chairman, Sir, first I would like to try and eliminate the expectation of the Member for Damansara, in that, he hoped that the prison in Tawau does not indicate a sign of prosperity.

On the contrary, I assure him, and also the people of Malaysia, that it is a sign of security.

His great objection to a new prison in Tawau is obvious.
Only those people who violate the law, the order and the social peace and security of the nation feel threatened by the establishment of a prison and I have no doubt that the fear of the Member for Damansara is, in his heart of hearts, a personal one perhaps, and I can assure all peace loving and freedom loving people in Malaysia that it is our intention to see that prisons for people who violate the laws and the security of this country are established.
It is in this respect that we, a responsible Government, seek the approval of this House for provision to establish a new prison in Tawau to provide for the security of the area.

Sir, with regard to the other remarks the Honourable Members made by who have spoken under the Ministry of the Interior in this House—i.e., with regard low cost housing, roads, etc.—I would assure them that we will look into all the matters that have been raised.
to With regard to the allegation of the Member for Tanjong—I am not quite sure whether the Councillor who informed him was absolutely right on 4901 11 JANUARY 1964 4902 his facts and on the progress of the scheme in Klang—I am to inform him that the idea of the multi-storey flats was subsequently changed to a scheme for several blocks of four-storey flats with several shops, thereby causing the various changes in the technicalities of the scheme.
However, with regard to the irregularities as alleged by him, if there are any I shall be only too pleased to look into them.

Sir, with regard to the reference made to the condition of the aborigines by the Member for Seberang Utara, I am grateful for his suggestions and we will definitely look into this.

The Member for Rawang again pointed out to the token sum of $10 provided under Head 109 for the Agricultural Scheme for Henry Gurney School.
I do remember that he pointed it out last year too, but in my opening remarks I did mention, Sir, that it was regrettable that we have been unable to find a site.

We realise fully the desirability of such a scheme and I am only too concerned over this and I am anxious to find a suitable site.

But I cannot, for example, have a site for this scheme in Rawang when the school is in Malacca.

Sir, the Member for Rawang said that I said that I do not understand him.
Well, I would like to ask Honourable Members: is it easy to comprehend the Member for Rawang in the unfortunate way in which he expresses himself?

Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $11,371,650 for Heads 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 113 and 114; the sum of $446,000 for Head 156; the sum of $104,195 for Head 182; and the sum of $561,340 for Head 206 agreed to stand part of the Develop ment Estimates, 1964.

House resumed.
House resumed.

EXEMPTED BUSINESS (Motion) Dato' Dr Ismail: I beg to move the following motion Standing Order 12: under That this House hereby orders that the sitting of the House this afternoon shall commence at 2.30 p.m. Dato' Haji Sardon: I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That this House hereby orders that the the House this afternoon shall sitting of commence at 2.30 p.m.

Sitting suspended at 1 o'clock p.m.


Sitting resumed at 2.30 p.m. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) THE DEVELOPMENT ESTIMATES, 1964 House immediately resolved itself into Committee of the whole House.

(Mr Speaker in the Chair) Head 115— Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Mr Chair man, Sir, I beg that an expenditure amounting to $92,370,841 under Head 115, Federation Armed Forces, be agreed to.
to move the period of Sir, the full scope of the expansion the Armed Forces, which began of the Second during Five-Year Plan, is now shown as $409,257,210, of which it is anticipated that a sum of $237,896,230 will be required for the period 1961 to 1965.

Now, most of these projects are con tinuation projects, and I will only deal with the new projects.
Aircraft, under Sub-head 71, Regular Army Equip ment, under Sub-head 92, Purchase of Ships, under Sub-head 104, are also projects which have been approved in 1963.

Now, under Sub-head 71, a sum of $17,723,000 is required the balance payment of aircraft ordered in 1963. to meet Under Sub-head 104, a sum of $30,457,142 is required to meet the part-payment of the cost of ships which have been ordered.
Under Sub-head 67, a sum of $799,990 is required the storage facilities in the Aircraft Equip ment Depot to meet the needs of our expanded Air Force.

to expand 4903 11 JANUARY 1964 4904 Under Sub-head 69, a provision of $640,000 is required for the construc tion of barracks for single airmen at the Royal Malaysian Air Force Station in Kuala Lumpur.

Under Sub-head 70, a is required sum of $795,010 for developing the Second Base of the Royal Malay sian Air Force for the Flying Training School.
Under Sub-head 72, a sum of $1,200,000 is required for the establish ment of an advance Air Base in the Borneo territories.

for The provision under Sub-head 83 is the construction of a the required Third Brigade Headquarters East Coast.

Now, Sir, the provisions required under Sub-heads 19, 38 and 101 totalling $5,074,000 is required to deve lop and expand the Main Naval Base at Woodlands.
in The sum of $2.4 million shown under Sub-heads 59 and 105 is required for the purchase of store and spare parts for ships to build up a Logistic Depot for the Navy.

It is also proposed to begin the con struction of a small, permanent Naval Base at Labuan to provide necessary maintenance and logistic support for our ships operating in that area, the cost of which will be in the region of $3,410,000 as shown in Sub-head 102.

Sir, I beg to move.

Question put, and agreed to.


The sum of $92,370,841 for Head 115 agreed to stand part of the Deve lopment Estimates, 1964.

Head 118— Mr Chairman: I now propose that expenditure under Head 118, the Ministry of Internal Security, totalling $31,020,697 be agreed to.

The Minister of Internal Security (Dato' Dr Ismail): Mr Chairman, Sir, the sum of I beg $31,020,697 appearing under Head 118, Royal Malaysia Police, be approved.
to move that It will be observed that this amount, which is required for 1964, is three is meant accommodation times the amount approved for 1963.

But while the 1963 amount is only meant to cover the then Federation of Malaya, (approxi the $31 million mately) is meant to cover Malaysia.
Of the amount of $31 million (approxi mately), $12 million are for continua tion projects for Malaya, $3.1 million are for continuation projects schemes for Sabah and Sarawak, and the amount of $15 million remaining (approximately) to cover projects or schemes which are mainly connected with Malaysia.
These pro jects are clearly indicated in Sub-heads 69 to 73 and include, in the main, building for and in Singapore Federaf Reserve Units and and Johore Bahru, buildings accommodation for Police Field Forces in Sabah and Sarawak.

They also include new Police launches and radio communications which are vital to the requirements of the Central Police Headquarters which control the various component forces.
From the other Sub heads under Head 118, it will be observed that the continuation projects are to provide additional buildings and to replace those which have already served their purpose.

I am glad to say here that the maim emphasis in these to provide continuation projects the rank and file, for quarters for which the roughly amount will be devoted.

two-thirds of is Sir, I beg to move.


sadikit saya Police Station Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad (Bachok): Tuan Pengerusi, banyak peruntokan yang hendak di-berikan di-dalam Kementerian ini bagi mem- baharui Police Station, saya hendak ia-itu di-Bachok berchakap di-kawasan itu pada pendapatan saya ada-lah sangat mendukachitakan.
Saya harap dalam tahun 1964 ini kalau ada duit lebeh harap-lah Menteri Yang Berhormat buatkan Police Station di-Bachok itu dengan bangunan yang sesuai dengan tempat sa-bagai sa-buah Police Station.

Tuan Haji Azahari bin Haji Ibrahim: Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka menarek perhatian Kementerian ini berkenaan dengan Minor Police Stations and Quarters, Ayer Hitam.
Pada masa ini 4905 11 JANUARY 1964 4906 jabatan kehendak Polis mengikut Kedah sana, Ayer Hitam ini akan menjadi satu tempat yang mana men- jadikan kepala atau pejabat Polis yang terbesar dalam kawasan saya, tetapi pada hari ini nampak-nya polis2 yang pergi ka-sana kerana ada tambahan pegawai2 polis, sebab hendak di- besarkan tempat itu sa-bagai tempat Sub-Station for Police itu.
Jadi, pehak polis ini selalu dudok menyewa rumah2 kampong dan ada juga satu barracks tidak yang di-buat dengan keadaan chukup sempurna, jadi nampak ganjil- lah pada pandangan orang2 di-situ.

Saya harap-lah jika $80,000 ini hendak di-gunakan tahun 1964, sebab apa $60,000 itu tinggal lagi.

Kalau boleh habiskan-lah dalam tahun ini juga— selesaikan programme itu, jadi nampak senang-lah bagi kita.

Saya harap supaya dapat di-selesaikan bagi tahun ini juga.
Enche' Hamzah bin Alang (Kapar): Tuan Pengerusi, Police Station Kapar sa-rupa sa-bagai- juga keadaan-nya mana kata wakil dari Kubang Pasu Barat tadi.

ia-itu Dato' Dr Ismail: Tuan Pengerusi, saya menguchapkan terima kaseh atas tegoran yang membena daripada Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Bachok dan juga Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang baharu tadi.

Memang benar kita berchakap ketahu'i kebanyakan Police Station memang-lah burok keadaan-nya itu-lah kita mengadakan ran- sebab changan 5 tahun ini.
Di-Bachok Police Station sana saya tahu burok tetapi di-tempat lain lebeh burok lagi.

Jadi mana yang lebeh burok tidak boleh itu-lah yang kita langsong berdiri tetapi me hendak buatkan dahulu kita mang-lah memang atau mengadakan sa-mula Police Station yang lebeh, yang tidak boleh di-pakai lagi.
Kerajaan hendak membaiki tujuan Atas rumah yang di-katakan rumah sewa atau pun perkara yang kita tengok tidak menyenangkan hati bagi pejabat Police ini kerana menyewa rumah2 ini untok menjaga discipline turun, dan moral anggota Polis itu saya uchapkan tetapi terima kaseh sunggoh pun bagitu kita tidak boleh janji pada tahun hadapan ini dalam itu ranchangan 5 semua tujuan kita akan membaiki Police Station dan rumah2 yang patut di-baiki, terima kaseh.

tahun, memang Question put, and agreed to.


The sum of $31,020,697 for Head the to stand part of 118 agreed Development Estimates, 1964.

Head 120— Mr Chairman: I now propose that the expenditure of $1,461,302 for Head 120, Royal Customs and Excise, Ministry of Finance, be agreed to.
sub-head The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan Siew Sin): Mr Chairman, Sir, the only the Development Estimates, 1964, which relates directly to the Treasury, is that at Head 120 in respect of the Royal Customs and Excise Department.

appearing in of quarters construction The sub-head in question—that the this sub-head is sub-head 7—provides for the sum of funds $1,461,302.

The bulk of provided under is for for the Customs staff stationed at Butterworth, Port Swettenham, Singapore and at Rompin in Pahang.
These are all con tinuation projects which are expected to be completed by next year.

Further quarters are to be built at Padang Besar and a site for this has already been obtained at a cost of $1,500, and provision for it is made at sub-head (x).

Honourable Members will 7 for agree the is necessary it their duties efficient performance of that Customs particularly officers, those in subordinate posts, should be provided with institutional quarters.
that A new Customs warehouse-cum- office is to be built at Kuah in Pulau Langkawi, and a sum of $27,000 is required for this purpose.

The ware- house-cum-office is to be built at a site adjacent to the new jetty at Kuah.

In this connection I should like to point out that provision for this project was first made in the Supplementary Esti mates (No.

3), 1963, but the Public Works Department, Kedah was unable to complete the work this year.
Hence a sum of $27,000 is now provided for this purpose at sub-head 7 (ix).

4907 11 JANUARY 1964 4908 Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $1,461,302 for Head 120 agreed to stand part of the Develop ment Estimates, 1964.

Heads 121 and 183— The Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry (Tuan Haji Abdul Khalid bin Awang Osman): Mr Chairman, Sir, with your permission I would like to move Head 121 and Head 189 together.
Sir, the Development expen diture of my Ministry for 1964 is estimated at $40,992,005 for direct payment and $25,500,000 for loans and investments under Head 121 and $7,700,000 for direct payment under Head 183 in respect of development project the State of Sarawak.
Except for Sub-head 17 of Head 121, Rehabilitation of New Villages Electrical Supplies, and Sub-heads 1 and 2 of Head 183, Rubber Planting and Rural Electrification, all items of expenditure are in respect of schemes which have been previously approved by this House, and I need hardly stress, therefore, the importance of providing the money to carry on and complete all these schemes, or projects.

I shall now explain briefly item by item.


in to the that is estimated is a continuation of {MALAYA) Head 121 Sub-head 1— Rubber Replanting Schemes— ($29,000,000)— re This planting programme launched in 1955.

Up the end of 1962 a sum of $218,763,657 has been expended and approximately it in 1963, $18,000,000 will be spent making a total expenditure of approxi mately $236.75 million.
The substantial increase over the amount of $20.7 million provided in 1963 is mainly due to the coming into force of the Go vernment Rubber Replanting Scheme (No.

2) in 1964 and a sum of $15 million has been included in the esti mates to meet payments for a second Replanting Scheme for Estates.

The other $14 million is required to meet the continuing commitments of the Government Rubber Replanting Scheme No.

1 of which the first Replanting Scheme for Estates is a major Scheme.
Sub-heads 4 and 8— Institute of Industrial Technology ($10) Industrial Productivity Centre and ($10) Only token votes have been provided for the Institute of Industrial Techno the Industrial Productivity logy and Centre because both of these projects are dependant of the establishment of the proposed Department of Scientific and Industrial Research of which they form part.

The setting up of this De partment is being examined in detail by a Working Party, whose report is being finalised.
Industrial Development Fi Sub-head 5— Malayan nance Ltd— Shares: Loan: $ 500,000 $7,500,000 in to approved accordance with The amount of $7.5 million is towards payment of the second instalment in the total loan of $37,500,000 which the the Government has the company recommendations of the World Bank.

By the end of 1963, 60% of the loan, i.e., $22,500,000 will have been paid out to the company and the remaining $15,000,000 is due in two equal instal ments of $7.5 million each in 1964 and loan 1965.
$500,000 has been provided the 1964 estimates to meet further call of capital by the company of which there is a balance of $1 million due from Government.

addition the In to in Sub-head 7— Industrial Estates ($2,000,000)— This is to provide loan to the Selangor State Government to acquire land for an industrial area.

But should the need arise for further funds for this and other proposed industrial areas in the country approval for a supplementary provision will be sought from this House.
Sub-head 9— The Federation of Malaya Pineapple Cannery Co. Ltd ($2,500,000)— It is estimated that the full amount of the vote will have to be used by the 4909 11 JANUARY 1964 4910 the early half of next year, when Cannery to begin pro is scheduled duction.

Cost of machinery, factory and buildings, wages, architents' fees and working capital will have to be met from this vote.
The bulk of these payments will have to be made at the beginning of 1964. ancillary Sub-head 10— Tourism ($300,000}— This amount is a revote from 1963.

Due to the delay in acquiring land and the need for a proper survey of sites the proposed motel at Kuala Treng- ganu and a halting bungalow at Dungun (Rantau Abang) could not be built.

However, the survey has now been completed and plans are being worked out.
It is anticipated that the work for the construction of the Motel and Rest House could be started after the monsoon period this year.

Sub-head 11— Rural Electrification ($3,000,000)— Progress on Rural Electrification pro jects for the first half of 1963 has kept pace with forecasts made in August, 1962, and an amount of $800,000 has been expended.

The remaining $1.2 million will have been expended by the end of the year.
Of the $3,000,000 required in 1964, $2.1 million will be for the outstanding projects under the 1963 programme and $0.67 million for carrying out a number of projects under the 1964 programme.

A sum of $0.2 million has been reserved for the possible transfer of certain contractor schemes to Board's Rural Stations as well as to meet the cost of special requests received from States.
Rural Electrification projects com missioned since 1962 as at 30th June, 1963, total 189 and it is estimated that an additional 50 projects will be commissioned by the end of 1963.

During 1964 it is anticipated that a further 71 villages will be given supply.

Sub-head 12— Mill, Godowns and Equipment for Government Reserve Stock of Rice ($3,401,985)— Hon'ble Members will recall that this the scheme is a continuation of scheme approved by the House in June 1962.
The provision now requested is for: (1) Rehabilitation of Govern ment Rice Mill, Bagan Serai, Perak (2) Rehabilitation of Govern ment Rice Mill, Parit Buntar, Perak (3) Rehabilitation of Govern ment Rice Mill, Telok Anson, Perak (4) New Godown, Government Rice Mill, Arau, Perlis ... (5) New Rice Godown, Malacca $2,142,922 417,200 80,863 11,000 750,000 $3,401,985 Sub-heads 13, 14 and 15— Prai Steam Power Station, Batang Padang Hydro-Electric Scheme and Transmission Lines Associated with Prai and Batang Padang Schemes ($11,000,000) In 1964, $11 million is required of which $7 million will be expended on the Batang Padang Hydro-Electric Scheme mainly on Civil works com prising preliminary access roads, con tractors camps, construction plant and equipment and on commencing of permanent works such as the Dam and tunnelling.
For Prai Power Sta tion a sum of $2 million will be spent on reclamation of the site, main build ing foundations and sub-structures for the circulating water intake and pump house.

A further $2 million will be spent on the Transmission lines inter connecting for route and profile surveys, clearing of line reserves and com transmission pensation, Transmission tower civil works and initial payments on mate rials.
two projects, these Sub-head 16— Acquisition of Huttenbachs ($5,000,000)— The electricity supplies at present by Messrs Huttenbachs operated Limited will be taken over by the Board on 1st March, 1964, at an estimated cost of $5 million and this sum is therefore required in 1964.
4911 11 JANUARY 1964 4912 Sub-head 17— Rehabilitation of New Villages Elec trical Supplies ($1,300,000)— the Central recommendation In order to improve the efficiency of electricity supplies to Government the Government has New Villages, Electricity accepted Board's replace to the existing diesel engines at the New Villages Power Stations by Semi automatic air-cooled diesel generators.

This will reduce operational costs con siderably.

this scheme will cost $1,300,000.


It is the ultimate aim of to hand over the responsibility of sup plying electricity to the new villages to the State Governments.

the Government is estimated that It SARAWAK Head 183 Sub-head 1— Rubber Planting ($7,500,000)— The total amount estimated under the Sarawak New Five-Year Plan for planting (1964-1968) is rubber individual largest $57,700,000.
The scheme under this plan will be that aimed at planting 100,000 acres of rubber during this period at a rate of 20,000 acres per annum.

The first phase of this scheme will be imple mented in 1964 at an estimated cost of $7,500,000 which is now provided in the Estimates.
Sub-head 2— Rural Electrification ($200,000)— in to and period In accordance with the aim of the New Sarawak Plan to provide rural amenities, consideration is being given to the problems of supplying electri the city small communities State.

An amount of $1,000,000 is provided for this purpose during the sum of five-year $200,000 has been estimated for 1964.
Dato9 Mohamed Hanifah bin Haji Abdul Ghani (Pasir Mas Hulu): Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak berchakap ber- kenaan dengan Rubber Replanting Schemes di-Sub-head 1.
Tujuan perkara ini ia-lah supaya pekebun2 kechil dapat pertolongan dan bantuan, tetapi apabila kita selideki pada hari ini pekebun2 kechil yang mempunyai 5 ekar tanah a tidak ka-bawah tidak mendapat pertolongan, sebab yang pertama barangkali pen- tadbiran pejabat menanam sa-mula ini tidak memuaskan, hingga pada hari ini, Tuan Pengerusi, kalau kita siasat tidak berapa peratus pekebun kechil yang mempunyai tanah 5 ekar ka- bawah yang kebanyakan-nya orang Melayu di-kampong2 berjaya walau pun mereka dapat bantuan yang pertama dan yang kedua hingga yang kelima.
Bila berchakap fasal ini, maka atau harus-lah pehak Kementerian Pegawai2 Menanam Sa-mula menga- takan pekebun kechil itu tidak bagitu rajin dan berusaha.

Yang sa-benar-nya, tidak Tuan tetapi bagitu malang-nya keadaan kehidupan me reka sa-orang kampong mempunyai 3 ekar tanah dan apabila mereka hendak menanam sa-mula sa-ekar atau dua ekar, maka tinggal sa-ekar untok di-toreh, dan ini menjadi kesulitan besar kapada pe kebun kechil itu yang mana kehidupan mereka itu bergantong kapada getah yang lama itu.
bukan-lah dan berusaha, sendiri, umpama-nya Pengerusi, rajin Oleh itu, saya harap pehak Kemen terian atau pehak Pejabat Menanam Sa-mula mengadakan satu peratoran atau tadbiran yang baik yang sa-benar- nya dapat menolong, bukan sahaja tetapi dari segi dari segi kewangan tadbiran boleh menjayakan pekebun kechil itu.
ia-itu sa-mula Tuan Pengerusi, sungutan2 pernah kita dengar daripada pekebun2 kechil yang menanam getah ini, ia-itu apabila mereka telah memberseh- kan kebun2 mereka itu, maka pegawai2 menanam sa-mula memereksa kebun mereka sa-telah kebun tumboh lalang dan semak, maka dengan sebab itu tergendala-lah bantuan yang akan di-peroleh oleh pekebun kechil itu.
itu yang di-anjorkan Yang kedua, saya suka mengeshor- kan kapada pehak Pejabat Menanam Sa-mula ini ia-itu satu chara konterek di-adakan oleh ini sendiri, kalau pekebun2 pejabat kechil yang suka hendak menanam sa-mula ini dapat chara konterek memberi khidmat yang chukup.

Apa saya berchakap bagini, Tuan bila Pengerusi, jangan-lah pehak Menteri mengatakan orang kampong itu malas.
4913 11 JANUARY 1964 4914 Mereka telah berusaha, tetapi apabila sampai bantuan yang ketiga dan yang keempat mereka tidak dapat, sebab tanah mereka tidak berseh.

Pekebun kechil ini bukan sahaja hendak mem- bersehkan kebun-nya, tetapi mereka terpaksa menchari kehidupan mereka sendiri.

Dan tabong tabong Sa-perkara saya mushkilkan tetapi pada hari supaya rubber cess ini, walhal wang tabong lagi, Tuan Pengerusi.
apa yang ia-lah pekebun2 kechil yang membayar rubber ini ada-lah di- cess, dan untokkan kapada bantuan pekebun2 kechil, ini, Tuan tahun bahawa Pengerusi, kita dapat pekebun2 besar yang telah berjaya memechahkan (fragmentation) kebun- nya dapat bantuan wang daripada tabong ini ia-lah untok pekebun2 kechil.

Saya harap perkera ini Kementerian dapat daripada betulkan kutipan itu hendak-lah sa-benar-nya di-gunakan atau di-beri bantuan kapada pekebun2 kechil, ia-itu mereka yang telah membayar cess.
sa- lagi, Tuan Pengerusi, bagaimana yang saya sebutkan tadi, suka-lah saya tegaskan ia-itu pekebun2 kechil yang mempunyai tanah 5 ekar berharap itu ka-bawah ini dan kapada pehak Kementerian Jabatan Penanaman Sa-mula (Re planting) supaya mengambil berat yang bersunggoh2 bagi memberi pertolongan kapada pekebun2 kechil ini, kalau kita mahu melihat bahawa pekebun2 kechil ini dapat menanam sa-mula getah-nya dan dapat mengeluarkan getah yang banyak.
Kalau tidak, hanya getah2 yang terpaksa lama sahaja di-toreh yang menggunakan tangga, berapa-lah satu hari mereka itu boleh dapat daripada susu2 getah itu, Tuan Pengerusi.

Maka oleh sebab itu, saya berharap kapada Kementerian dan Rubber Replanting bahawa soal ini harap-lah di-ambil perhatian yang berat supaya perbuatan- nya itu akan mendapat faedah yang sa-benar2-nya kapada pekebun2 kechil itu.
sangat-lah Toh Muda Haji Abdullah bin Haji Abdul Raof: Tuan Pengerusi, saya juga hendak mengambil bahagian di- dalam sub-head 1—Rubber Replanting pun Schemes di-suarakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat yang mana telah itu, untok kechil tanam orang2 sa-mula pekebun2 tidak-lah menjadi hendak menanam dari Pasir Mas Hulu tadi.

Saya berpendapat berlainan sadikit daripada Ahli Yang Berhormat itu, dan perkara ini telah pun saya terangkan dalam lepas berkenaan sadikit hari yang dengan ini.
Di- kampong2, Tuan Pengerusi, orang2 yang mempunyai banyak ekar tanah kesulitan getah untok sa-mula, kerana mereka itu ada mempunyai hendak memulakan wang kerja-nya bagi menebang pokok2 yang tetapi apa yang menjadi lama kesulitan kebanyakan bagi di-kampong2 yang mempunyai kebun2 kechil ia-lah orang2 yang mempunyai tiga ekar, empat ekar, atau lima ekar.
Mereka ini kebanyakan-nya, wang pendapatan yang di-dapati pada tiap2 itu di-gunakan untok barang2 hari makan, beli pakaian dan sa-bagai-nya, maka tidak-lah ada kesempatan.

atau peluang bagi mereka itu untok hendak menyimpan wang untok tanam sa-mula.

Jadi, ini-lah suara2 yang saya dapat tentang daripada kesulitan mereka hendak tanam sa- mula ini ia-itu soal-nya ia-lah tidak ada wang.
Jadi, itu-lah sebab-nya pada hari yang telah pun men- chadangkan bahawa soal wang ini ta' usah-lah di-ketatkan sangat, kalau sa- kira-nya hendak di-ketatkan sa-bagai- mana keadaan yang ada pada hari ini, tidak-lah dapat bagi pekebun2 kechil itu hendak menanam sa-mula, sebab kalau mereka hendak meminjam pun tidak siapa yang dapat memberi pinjaman, melainkan kalau-lah Kemen terian ini dapat memberi pinjaman, atau pun dahulukan wang-nya untok sa-bagai kerja yang pertama, dan jaminan grant itu di-pegang untok di- tanah-nya jadikan sa-bagai jaminan, dan saya sa-kira-nya Kerajaan fikir, mengeluarkan cess kapada pekebun2 yang besar 100 ekar tanah getah, tiap2 satu pound di-bayar empat sen dan sa-bagai-nya dan wang ini terus di- dapati oleh pekebun2 besar itu, sama ada mereka itu menggunakan wang itu untok tanam sa-mula, atau tidak; itu tidak menjadi soal nampak-nya, tidak- tahu sama lah Kerajaan mengambil sa-kali, kerana saya tahu di-dalam hal (security) boleh-lah lepas, saya kalau 4915 11 JANUARY 1964 4916 ini dan saya juga ada mempunyai share di-dalam satu kebun dan kebun itu sa-belum saya membeli-nya, saya dapati segala cess yang di-bayar kapada share' holder itu tidak pernah pun di- gunakan kebun, untok menchuchi melainkan di-keluarkan kapada share holder tiap2 kali dapat, di-keluarkan terus.
Jadi, kebun itu tidak di-chuchi, tidak di-buat kerja replanting.

Jadi, kalau-lah sa-kira-nya macham itu, wang untok pekebun2 besar itu di-beri wang cess sa-chara perchuma sahaja wang itu tidak pula di-gunakan untok faedah kebun2 itu saperti menchuchi kebun, atau pun replanting.
Kenapa pula wang bagi pekebun2 kechil yang wang cess itu kapada yang mereka getah mereka kurang daripada 100 ekar, tidak di-beri wang itu terus dan sa- balek-nya di-simpan oleh Kerajaan dan di-keluarkan pula dengan beberapa sharat di-kenakan.
sa-patut-nya di-sebabkan di-beri kebun Jadi, kalau-lah bagitu gaya keadaan- juga mengeshorkan nya, saya suka ia-itu perkara ini ta' usah-lah di-ketat- kan sangat di-atas Undang2 Tanam Sa-mula ini, atau pun wang yang hendak di-keluarkan itu untok pertama kali sa-kurang2-nya, tetapi untok kali yang kedua, kali yang ketiga dan kali yang keempat itu boleh-lah di-adakan sharat2 yang lebeh ketat sadikit.
Jadi, kalau perkara ini dapat di-fikirkan, saya perchaya banyak lagi orang2 yang mempunyai kebun2 kechil itu dapat berusaha, atau pun menanam sa-mula sa-bagaimana yang kita harapkan.

Jadi, itu-lah sahaja pendapat saya, dan saya shorkan kapada Kerajaan.

Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji Muda: Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak berchakap sadikit sahaja, ia-itu Kepala 121, Pechahan Kepala 17—Pemulehan Bekalan Letrik kapada Kampong2 Baharu.
Mendengar cherita yang di- sampaikan oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Muda tadi, nampak-nya bagus- letrik lah di-tukarkan kapada jentera disel yang baik, chuma saya hendak tahu satu sahaja ia-itu di-Kelantan, Tuan Penge rusi, ada sa-buah kampong baharu, nama-nya Gua Musang.
Bekalan Letrik itu terlalu tua, dan satu masa dahulu ia-itu segala jentera2 itu, pernah hendak di-serahkan tanggong- jawab-nya kapada Kerajaan Negeri, tetapi kalau Kerajaan Negeri pegang tanggong-jawab-nya, ma'alum sahaja- segala2-nya lah engine sudah tua, perbelanjaan kerana main lebeh besar daripada tain dia pun segala2 perbelanjaan yang lain.

Jadi, ada-kah sa-banyak $1,300,000 ini termasok di-dalam ran- changan untok Gua Musang di-sana?
sudah wang yang tua, Enche' Hamzah bin Alang: Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka hendak menarek perhatian pehak yang berkenaan pada Pechahan Kepala 11 ia-itu ada satu telah di-masokkan ranchangan yang di-dalam Buku Merah Rantau Panjang, Klang.
Saya rasa semenjak dari tahun 1960 sudah di-masokkan ranchangan itu di-dalam Buku Merah, dan telah pun di-bawa pada tiap2 kali meshuarat untok menyambongkan lampu yang hanya chuma 20 batang tiang sahaja yang boleh sampai ka-tempat yang itu, tetapi pada masa ka- di-tujukan saya dapat belakangan tahu bahawa telah di-potong oleh Kerajaan Negeri.
Saya tidak tahu apa-kah sebab-nya, boleh jadi kata-nya, chara yang sa-macham itu uneconomic, atau boleh jadi dengan chara2 lain lagi, tetapi saya berpen- dapat bukan-lah soal uneconomic, tetapi ada-lah kebajikan orang ramai yang berkehendakkan lampu di-tempat di-siasat tersebut, bahawa banyak orang2 yang meng- hendaki sahaja, itu.

lampu Tuan Pengerusi.


ini, baharu ranchangan telah pun Itu-lah dan itu The Minister of Commerce and Industry (Dr Lim Swee Aun): Mr Chairman, Sir, the points raised on the replanting of smallholders' estates by the Honourable Member for Pasir Mas the Hulu are not new.

In fact, Honourable Member had listened to my earlier replies, he would have all the answers.

However, as ho has raised them, I will answer them point by point.
if The first point he raised is that those holdings under 5 acres are not re planting as fast as they should and that it is not because the owners of the estates are not hardworking but be cause of economic reasons.

That we 4917 11 JANUARY 1964 4918 fully appreciate, and it was because of that that the replanting grants to small holders had been revised.
It has been increased from $400 to $600, from $600 to $750 and now any holder of an estate of less than 5 acres is entitled to $800 per acre for the whole 5 acres.

To encourage them further, these small holders with less than 5 acres are given the option, or rather the opportunity, to new plant an equivalent amount of new land with rubber, also at the same rate of $800 an acre.
That means to say that if a man has 5 acres of old rubber land, he can replant all those 5 acres, and he can new plant another 5 acres, making a total of 10 acres at $800 per acre.
If the trees in the 5 acres are still economic, that means to say if there are more than 60 trees per acre on an average and that they are the small still holder concerned to new plant first— to new plant the 5 acres of new land on condition that he replants the old holding within six years, so that by the is ready he time would have enough money to carry on with the replanting of the old rubber.
tappable, we permit the new planting and Now, the second point was the usual complaint that Rubber Inspectors do not visit clearings in time and as a result, by the time the Inspectors arrive there, lallang has grown and scrub has is grown, payment therefore to deferred.
Sir, I have been trying impress on Honourable Members in this House that this replanting grant is given to smallholders so that they will maintain good agricultural prac tice throughout the six years of replant ing—that is, from the day the trees are cut down to replant new seedlings till the day the seedlings are mature, that holding must be in a good agri that means it cultural practice, and should not be overgrown with lallang or even with scrubs, otherwise at the end of five years we will not be getting rubber trees but, as I have said, a forest of secondary jungle or a sea of is not correct to say that my Inspectors do not visit them in time.
They are bound to visit on receipt of the notification that the smallholder is ready, and if lallang is found, although payment is lallang.

Therefore, it deferred, the smallholder is given the opportunity to re-clear that area.

In Now, Sir, the Honourable Member has suggested that, perhaps, it might be more practical to assist these small holders by doing the replanting under a contract system by the Rubber Re planting Board, on behalf of the small holders.

This, Sir, has been considered by my Ministry.


fact quite a number of these block plantings have been taken over under this system.

But whether or not it would be practical for smallholders to do this under this contract the Replanting Board has to be considered, because smallholders holdings scattered all over the country and not it perhaps collected and to employ would not be economic the for to labour contract smallholder by the Replanting Board.
However, there is nothing to prevent the smallholder to give his land out on contract and then collect the money from us.

system by together, replant have their fragmentors, subdivided Now, the third point he raised was that the replanting cess paid by small holders, which are paid into Fund "B" is being used by the the people who have estates, to replant under Fund "B".
That might have happened before but, as I have said, we have already had legislation to correct this anomaly and a person who has fragmented his estate now and who had enjoyed the benefits of Fund "A", cannot enjoy the benefits of Fund " B" again.

The Honourable Member for Kuala Kangsar has raised an important point, and that is that smallholders with 5 acres or less do not have the capital to initiate replanting.

That, I think, Sir, has a lot of truth in that.


But, on the other hand, the argument is that whilst we realise that these people may not have the capital, as suggested by the Honourable Member, they have the titles to their land; they can get loans by using their titles as security.

the small But holder replant himself; he should employ his own the labour to fell holes, and plant the seedlings.
the main object of that he the trees, to dig should is 4919 11 JANUARY 1964 4920 is for the and cess collected really meant raised by for The other point the Kuala Honourable Member Kangsar is that he wants to know why is it that the replanting cess of 41/2 cents is refunded to estates over 100 acres but where the smallholders are is concerned, retained in Fund "B".

Well, that is a good question.


If Honourable Members will remember, I did say in this House that this collection of 41/2 cents replant the ing cess is smallholders—this money which collected the in Government grant of $400 per acre.

The smallholder today gets $750 per those under 5 acre acres get $800 per acre.
So, the amount of money which they get per acre con sists of Government grant of $400 per acre plus 41/2 cents replanting cess, whereas the large estates, they were brought cents for administrative convenience.

In practice, when Government gives them a grant for replanting, they only get $400 per acre; they do not get $750 per acre as the smallholders get.

That is why this refund of 41/2 cents.


this calculation of 41/2 to replant, and addition into to in the inquired whether The Honourable Member for Pasir new Puteh Village in Gua Musang will get the this $1,300,000 benefit of the renewal of the old diesel engine for production of electricity.

This all New $1,300,000 Villages and I believe—I am quite sure—that Gua Musang is included.
The Honourable Member for Kapar did not cite which village or which place the electricity was cut, therefore, I am not in a position to answer that question.

is meant for Question put, and agreed to.

The sums of $40,002,005 under Column (9), $25,500,000 under Column (10) for Head 121 and the sum of $7,700,000 under Head 183 agreed to stand part of the Development Esti mates, 1964.
Heads 122, 161 and 184— The Minister of Education (Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan bin Haji Sakhawat Ali Khan): Tuan Pengerusi, saya memohon izin Tuan mengambil kepala 122 bagi Malaya, kepala 161 bagi Sabah dan kepala 184 bagi Sara wak, Anggaran Belanjawan Kemajuan dengan sa-kali gus.
Tuan Pengerusi, saya mohon menchadangkan supaya kepala 122 sa-banyak $55,000,000 bagi Malaya dan bagitu juga kepala 161 sa-banyak $5,002,232 bagi Sabah dan kepala 184 sa-banyak $7,151,011 bagi Sarawak, Anggaran Belanjawan Kema juan tahun 1964 bagi Kementerian di- sa-bagaimana Pelajaran, tunjokkan dalam Kertas Titah 46 1963 di-luluskan.
Tuan Pengerusi, chita2 dan matalamat Kementerian Pelajaran bagi Ranchangan Kemajuan Lima Tahun Yang Kedua 1961-1965 ia-lah : yang (a) Bagi membanyakkan lagi Seko- lah2 Rendah supaya mendapat persaimbangan dengan penam- bahan murid2 tiap2 sa-orang murid di-beri peluang untok mendapat pelajaran rendah yang pada masa ini ada-lah di-beri dengan perchuma.

supaya (b) Bagi menyediakan Sekolah2 Menengah untok murid2 yang telah berjaya menamatkan pela jaran rendah.
(c) Bagi mendirikan Sekolah Pela jaran Lanjutan untok murid2 yang tidak dapat masok ka- dalam Sekolah Menengah.

(d) Bagi meluaskan lagi Pelajaran Teknikal di-tingkatan Sekolah Menengah dan juga di-tingkatan Maktab.

(e) Untok membesarkan versiti Malaya.

(/) Bagi meluaskan latehan guru.

lagi Uni- ranchangan lain2 (g) Bagi menjalankan ran changan saperti membaiki kea- daan Sekolah2 Ra'ayat dan juga bagi membena Asrama2 serta tempat Rumah Kediaman Guru2 di-Kawasan Luar Bandar.
Dalam masa dua tahun yang perta- ma dalam Ranchangan Kemajuan Lima Tahun Yang Kedua, jumlah wang sa-banyak $70.5 juta telah di- tahun 1963 belanjakan dan dalam membelanjakan sa-banyak lebeh ku- rang $52.2 juta.

Angka2 ini menun- ia-itu Kementerian Pelajaran jokkan 4921 11 JANUARY 1964 4922 telah menchapai kemajuan yang me muaskan dalam membena dan menja lankan pelajaran-nya dalam masa tiga tahun yang lampau.
ranchangan2 Dengan kebenaran Tuan, saya suka mengulas dengan rengkas-nya Kepala2 Kechil yang di-tunjokkan di-bawah Kepala 122 bagi tahun 1964. telah Kepala Kechil 1-"Ranchangan Sekolah2 Rendah" -Jumlah wang di sa-banyak $5,901,000 untokkan di-bawah Kepala Kechil ini dalam tahun 1964 dan peruntok an ini ada-lah di-kehendaki bagi ranchangan Sekolah2 menyiapkan Rendah yang sedang di-bena dan bagi menjalankan pembenaan sa banyak 348 bilek2 darjah baharu di-bawah ranchangan tambahan.
Kepala Kechil 2-"Ranchangan Seko/ah2 Lanjutan"-.Jumlah wang sa-banyak telah di $4,552,268 untokkan di-bawah ranchangan ini dalam tahun 1964 dan peruntokan ini ada-lah di-kehendaki bagi me nyiapkan baki projek2 yang telah di-mulakan dan juga bagi membena sa-banyak 12 buah Sekolah2 Lan jutan yang baharu.
Kepala Kechi/ 3-"Ranchangan Menengah" -Di-bawah Sekolah2 ranchangan ini jumlah wang sa banyak $12 juta ada-lah di-perun tokkan bagi menyiapkan baki pro jek2 yang mengandongi sa-banyak 52 buah Sekolah2 Menengah yang sedang di-benakan.

Sa-lain daripada itu, sa-banyak 19 buah Sekolah2 Menengah termasok-lah bangunan2 tambahan akan di-dirikan dalam tahun 1964.

Daripada jumlah ini, ia-lah Sekolah2 Menengah Kebangsaan saperti di-bawah ini: ~a) Sekolah Menengah Kebang sa-banyak 12 buah baharu saan, Batu Pahat.
(b) Sekolah Menengah Kebang saan, Parit Buntar, Perak.

(c) Sekolah Menengah Kebang saan, Tapah, Batang Padang.

(d) Sekolah Menengah Kebang saan, Western Road, Penang.

(e) Sekolah Menengah Kebang saan (Perempuan), Alor Star.

(f) Sekolah Menengah Kebang saan, Simpang Ampat, Perlis.

(g) Sekolah Menengah Kebang saan, Temerloh, Pahang.

(h) Sekolah Menengah Kebang saan, Kampong Raja, Besut, Trengganu.

(i) Sekolah Menengah Kebang saan, Padang Garong, Kelan tan.
(/) Sekolah Menengah Kebang saan, Segamat, Johor.

~k) Sekolah Menengah Kebang saan, Seremban, N. Sembilan.

(/) Sekolah Menengah Kebang saan, Melaka.

yang Kepala Kechil 6-"Ranchangan Pelajamn TeknikaI" -Ktementerian saya ada-lah chukup sedar bagi di memenohi keperluan2 kehendaki bagi membanyakkan ahli2 teknik dan memandang pada mustahak-nya perkara ini, Kemen telah menitekberatkan bagi terian teknik di memajukan pelajaran semua peringkat.
Ini akan di-untok kan lagi sa-jumlah wang sa-banyak $8,782,000 dalam tahun 1964 dan jumlah wang ini ada-lah di-kehen projek2 bagi menyiapkan daki yang sedang di-selenggarakan dan juga bagi mendirikan sa-buah Se kolah Menengah Teknik yang baha ru di-Kuala Lumpur dan sa-buah Sekolah Lanjutan Kampong di Kuala Trengganu.

Sekolah Mene ngah Teknik, Kuala Lumpur itu ada-lah di-anggap sa-bagai keuta maan dan ada-lah di-jangka akan tahun 1965.
Sekolah siap pada Lanjutan Kampong di-Kuala Treng ganu, sangat-lah mustahak di-diri kan bagi mengadakan kemudahan latehan vocational untok murid2 Melayu daripada Trengganu dan Kelantan Selatan.

Kepal.a Kechi[ 7-"Maktab Tek nik, Kuala Lumpur" -Peruntokan sa-banyak $780,000 ada-lah di-buat di-bawah ranchangan ini bagi mem belanjai ranchangan kemajuan Mak tab itu dan termasok-lah juga pem benaan rumah2 kediaman pensha rah2, asrama pelajar2, kantin, wok shop dan bilek2 belajar.
4923 11 JANUARY 1964 4924 Kechi!

Kepala 8-"Latehan ran suatu Guru" -Ini ada-lah changan yang mustahak dan jumlah wang sa-banyak $7,418,000 telah di-untokkan bagi tahun 1964.

Per untokan ini ia-lah untok menyiap kan projek2 yang pada masa ini di-dalam Sa-lain penglaksanaan.

daripada itu, kami akan membena tiga buah Pusat2 Latehan Harian dan Maktab2 saperti di-bawah ini: (a) Maktab Latehan Pergtiruan Teknik, Kuala Lumpur.

(b) Maktab Perguruan Malaya, Johor Bahni.


Maktab Latehan · Perguruan Malaya di-Joh or Bahni akan mengganti Maktab Perguruan di-Brinsford Lodge, di-United Kingdom.
Kepala Kechi[ 9-"Universiti Ma/aya"-Peruntokan wang bagi bangunan sa-banyak $9.6 juta ada lah di-untokkan bagi tahun 1964 bagi memenohi ranchangan kema juan termasok-lah pembenaan sa buah asrama, perpustakaan, dewan, sa-buah panggong dan pusat pen tadbiran, tempat kediaman pega wai2, Fakulti Kedoktoran, School of Education dan untok membesarkan lagi Fakulti Kejuruteraan.

ini.
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Jumlah wang Kepala Kechi/ 10-"Rumah Guru2 bagi Sekolah2 di-Kawasan Luar Bandar"-Wang sa-banyak $3 juta ada-lah di-untokkan bagi rancha ngan ini akan membolehkan kami menyiapkan projek2 yang sedang di-selenggara kan dan juga bagi mendirikan sa banyak 245 buah rumah2 guru di Kawasan Luar Bandar mengikut chontob2 bagi kepentingan guru2.
Sesuai dengan dasar Kerajaan bagi meninggikan darjah pelajaran di Kawasan2 Luar Bandar ada-lah di-fikir mustahak di-buat persediaan guru2 untok perumahan bagi meninggikan taraf pengajaran di dalam Sekolah2 Rendah Kebangsaan di-Kawasan Luar Bandar.

Kepala Kechi/ ll-"Sekolah2 Ra 'ayat" -Sa-jumlah wang sa-banyak telah di-untokkan dalam $638,000 tahun 1964 bagi melaksanakan ranchangan tersebut.
Ada sa-banyak dan lebeh kurang 213 buah sekolah di Perlis, Perak, Kedah, Kelantan dan Johar yang bangunan2 sekolah itu ada-lah di-anggap sa-bagai bangu nan yang tidak sesuai.

Ada-lah di taksirkan ia-itu bagi meletakkan Sekolah2 Ra'ayat yang ada sekarang ini supaya sa-taraf dengan sekolah2 lain atau menggantikan bangunan2 itu dengan bangunan2 yang sem akan membolehkan purna sekolah2 itu bertukar chorak men jadi Sekolah2 Rendah Kebangsaan yang mendapat bantuan penoh dan ini berkehendakkan sa-banyak $5 juta.
Ini tidak-lah dapat di-untokkan dalam tahun 1964 oleh sebab ia-nya akan menghalang projek2 pelajaran yang lain dalam tahun 1964.

Ber hubong .

dengan peruntokan wang yang terbatas di-bawah kepala kechil ini dalam tahun 1964, sa-berapa ini akan di dapat utamakan di-Negeri Kedah, Kelan di-mana tan dan keperluan2 di-sana ada-lah me munchakkan.
ranchangan Trengganu jumlah Kepala Kechil 12-"Ranchangan Asrama"-Ranchangan ini telah di untokkan wang sa-banyak $1,304,000 dan dari sa-banyak $406,000 ada-lah di-kehendaki bagi menghadapi perbelanjaan yang tidak dapat di-elakkan dan baki sa-banyak $898,000 akan di-gunakan bagi melaksanakan sa-banyak 7 buah asrama baharu.

ini akan ada-lah Kementerian Pelajaran asrama keperluan2 sedar supaya murid2 di-kawasan luar bandar berpeluang mendapat pela jaran menengah.
Kami berchadang hendak mendirikan banyak lagi asrama2 dalam tahun 1965.

Kepala Kechi/ 13-"Perkakas dan alat2"-Jumlah wang sa-banyak telah pun di-untokkan $610,000 di-bawah Kepala-Kechil ini dan akan di-gunakan bagi mengganti kerusi, meja dan perkakas2 yang ada sahaja.

ini di-sekolah2 sekarang Peruntokan ini tidak akan di-guna kan sekolah2 baharu yang sudah pun di-masokkan di-bawah ranchangan masing2 dalam lain2 mana harga bangunan dan sudah pun di-masokkan.
bagi melengkapi 4925 11 JANUARY 1964 4926 Kepala Kechil 14—"Pejabat Pela- jaran, Kota Bharu, Kelantan"— Pembenaan pejabat baharu ini ada- lah sedang di-jalankan dan di-jangka akan siap tahun 1964 ini.

Malaya Kepala Kechil 18—"Membeli, memperbaiki dan melengkapi Pusat2 Pelajar2 di-Seberang Laut"—Untok membolehkan Ke- menterian bagi menyelenggarakan projek2 mengenai Pusat2 Pelajar2 di- Belfast, Dublin, Glasgow, Brighton dan Perth di-Australia.
Jumlah wang sa-banyak $295,000 telah pun di- peruntokkan dalam tahun 1963.

Projek di-Belfast telah pun siap dan tender2 telah pun di-pelawa bagi ranchangan di-Dublin, tetapi kita tidak-lah menchapai kemajuan sa- bagaimana yang kita jangkakan untok Pusat2 di-lain2 tempat.

Dengan telah me- yang demikian, kita nguntokkan sa-banyak $220,000 dalam tahun 1964 bagi meneruskan ranchangan2 ini.
wang sekolah2 telah membolehkan Bagi Negeri Sabah, sa-jumlah wang sa-banyak $5,002,232 telah di-untok- kan di-bawah Kepala ini dalam tahun rendah 1964.

Penambahan dan guru2 sa- banyak 70% murid2 yang chukup umor bagi memasoki sekolah rendah tempat di-sekolah2.

Dalam mendapat tahun 1962 dan 1963 sa-banyak 470 buah bilek2 darjah baharu telah di- tambahan yang memberi dirikan tempat belajar kapada 19,000 orang murid.
Peruntokan di-minta dalam tahun 1964 ia-lah bagi mengada- kan kemudahan2 serta membuat per- sediaan sepanjang tahun 1964 mengikut ranchangan kemajuan negeri itu.

yang Di-tingkatan pelajaran menengah bilangan sekolah2 belum lagi men- bagi menampong murid2 chukupi peringkat umor sekolah menengah.
Kerajaan Sabah sudah pun mengambil langkah menjalankan ranchangan ke majuan bagi mendirikan sa-banyak 30 buah sekolah2 menengah baharu yang akan menitek-beratkan kapada ke- perluan2 pendudok2 di-kawasan luar bandar dan mengharapkan supaya ranchangan khas ini dapat di-seleng- garakan di-dalam tempoh yang tertentu tahun yang akan sa-lama beberapa datang ini.
Dalam tahun 1963, 65 buah bilek2 darjah menengah baharu ada-lah di- masokkan di-dalam ranchangan pem- bangunan yang akan memberi tempat tambahan kapada sa-banyak 2,400 orang murid.

Ranchangan ini termasok- lah 3 buah sekolah2 baharu kerajaan di-kawasan2 luar bandar dan juga bagi membesarkan lagi sekolah2 yang sedia ada yang terdiri dari sekolah2 kerajaan sekolah2 yang mendapat dan bantuan terutama sa-kali di-kawasan2 luar bandar.
3 buah asrama baharu telah pun di-dirikan untok memberi peluang kapada murid2 di-kampong2 bersekolah di-sekolah2 menengah ini.

juga Jika Tuan mengizinkan, saya akan mengulas dengan rengkas Kepala Kechil2 yang penting di-dalam Anggaran Belanjawan itu.
sa-chara Kepala 3—"Pembinaan Sekolah2 Rendah Kerajaan 1959-1964, Pe ringkat III"—Bagi melaksanakan dasar menyediakan tempat di-tingkat pelajaran rendah bagi tiap2 murid dalam tahun 1971 satu ranchangan sekolah2 rendah dan rumah2 guru telah di-mulakan dalam tahun 1962.

Peruntokan $1.3 juta bagi tahun 1964 merupakan baki wang yang boleh itu.
di-dapati dalam Ranchangan2 lain yang terkandong di-dalam berkenaan belanjawan dengan pembinaan sekolah2 rendah terkandong di-bawah Kepala Kechil 1, 2, 4 dan 16. ranchangan Kepala Kechil 6 dan 7—"Sekolah Menengah Kudat dan Asrama"— Tempat di-Sekolah Menengah Kudat yang sedia ada tidak menchukupi dan kerja2 telah pun di-mulakan bagi mendiri bangunan2 tambahan kapada sekolah itu, tambahan rumah2 guru dan sa-buah asrama baharu bagi murid2 dalam ada-lah ranchangan itu.
termasok Kepala Kechil 9—"Bantuan bagi bangunan sekolah"—Sa-belum tahun 1963 bantuan wang untok bangunan sekolah2 yang mendapat kapada bantuan ada-lah di-biayai daripada ranchangan C, D dan W. Rancha ngan C, D dan W akan berakhir dalam tahun 1963 dan peruntokan wang Persekutuan akan di-kehendaki bagi mengambil aleh bayaran ban tuan2 itu.

Bantuan2 biasa-nya di-beri 4927 11 JANUARY 1964 4928 sa-banyak 50% daripada harga bangunan yang di-luluskan oleh sekolah2 yang mendapat bantuan.
Peruntokan sa-banyak $1,115,000 telah di-adakan di-bawah Kepala Kechil ini dalam tahun 1964.

Kepala Kechil 23—"Perpustakaan Kent Kolej—Ada-lah di-chadang- kan bagi mendirikan sa-buah per pustakaan bagi Maktab Perguruan Kent di-mana kemudahan2 sangat tidak memuaskan.

Jumlah wang sa- banyak $50,000 ada-lah di-masokkan di-dalam Anggaran 1964 itu.
Kepala Kechil 24—"Pusat Per- tukangan 'llmu Khas"—Sandakan mempunyai sa-kumpulan perusaha- an2 yang kechil terutama sa-kali yang mengenai' perusahaan kayu kayan dan ada-lah mustahak di- adakan latehan pertukangan untok pelateh2 yang di-ambil bekerja di- dalam perusahaan2 ini.

Oleh yang demikian di-chadangkan supaya sa-buah pusat 'ilmu khas di- bina di-Sandakan yang akan mem- beri latehan pertukangan sambilan untok pelateh2 dan pertukangan kayu serta pertukangan logam untok murid2.
Ada-lah di-chadangkan kerja itu di-mulakan pada tahun 1964 dan peruntokan sa-banyak $300,000 ada- lah dalam Anggaran termasok Belanjawan itu.

ada-lah Di-Sarawak pula, dalam tahun 1964, ada-lah di-chadangkan bagi membena sa-banyak enam buah Sekolah Me- nengah Kerajaan yang baharu di- Sarawak.
Sekolah2 ini kebanyakan-nya akan bertempat di-kawasan2 luar ban dar ada-lah bagi kepentingan semua kaum serta merupakan sekolah cham- poran ya'ani di-champor murid2 lelaki dan perempuan dan mempunyai ke mudahan2 asrama.
Sunggoh pun ber- tambah banyak lagi jumlah murid2 dapat masok ka-sekolah2 menengah di- masokkan di-dalam Sekolah2 Menengah Kerajaan, sa-jumlah besar daripada-nya maseh lagi mendapat tempat di-sekolah2 yang mendapat bantuan dan wang ada- lah di-untokkan bagi memajukan dan menambahkan sekolah2 ini.
Penambahan jumlah murid2 yang berjaya menamatkan kursus menengah rendah dan lebeh banyak lagi tempat2 di-sekolah menengah atas ya'ani Ting- kat IV dan Tingkat V hendak-lah di- sediakan, dan ada-lah di-chadangkan bagi membesarkan lagi beberapa buah sekolah2 menengah rendah termasok- lah Sekolah2 Menengah Kerajaan dan sekolah2 yang mendapat bantuan semua murid2 mempunyai* supaya kelayakan dapat menamatkan kursus pelajaran menengah.

Bangunan2 tam- bahan dan alat2 akan juga di-sediakan untok Tingkat VI.
sekolah2 lebeh banyak Sa-jumlah wang sa-banyak $1.7 juta telah pun di-untokkan bagi tahun 1964 sa-bagai bantuan2 modal kapada Pe- ngelola2 sekolah untok membayar sa- bahagian daripada harga bangunan baharu rendah dan bagi memperbaiki sekolah2 yang sedia ada yang di-kelulakan oleh Majlis2 Daerah dan lain2 badan.

Kebanyakan daripada sekolah2 rendah baharu akan me- menohi keperluan murid2 di-kawasan2 luar bandar dan bantuan akan di-beri lagi bagi mendirikan rumah2 guru yang sempurna.
Penambahan yang besar jumlah sekolah2 rendah dalam beberapa tahun yang lampau ini dan penambahan yang lagi ada-lah di-jangka lebeh besar dalam tempoh Ranchangan Kemajuan menunjokkan betapa mustahak-nya di- adakan ranchangan latehan guru bagi mengadakan guru2 untok sekolah2 rendah dan menengah bagi mengatasi soal kekurangan guru2 yang terlateh yang makin memunchak.
Sa-jumlah wang sa-banyak $273,036 telah pun di-untokkan di-bawah Kepala Kechil 3 "Ranchangan Latehan Guru" dan dari jumlah ini sa-banyak $223,036 ada-lah di-kehendaki bagi menyiapkan Maktab Latehan Batu Lintang, dan sa-banyak $50,000 untok tapak bangunan bagi latehan baharu yang akan maktab melateh guru2 sekolah rendah.

Keperluan pelajaran teknik di- Sarawak akan di-penohi dengan men dirikan sa-buah sekolah pertukangan di-Kuching yang akan menampong murid2 daripada segenap daerah di- Sarawak.
Ranchangan I sudah pun di-jalankan dan sa-jumlah wang sa- banyak $400,000 telah pun di-untokkan bagi Ranchangan II dalam tahun 1964. tukang kayu dan tukang Pengajaran 4929 11 JANUARY 1964 4930 logam, pada masa ini di-beri di-dalam bangunan2 sementara dan akan di- pindahkan ka-bangunan baharu apa- bila siap kelak.
Tuan Pengerusi, saya mohon men- chadangkan supaya perbelanjaan yang di-tunjokkan di-bawah Kepala 122 sa- banyak $55,000,000 bagi Malaya, Kepala 161 sa-banyak $5,002,232 bagi Sabah dan Kepala 184 sa-banyak $7,151,011 bagi Sarawak di-luluskan.

for his rather detailed Enche' V. Veerappen: Mr Chair man, Sir, I think this House should be grateful to the Minister of Educa tion and lengthy explanation of the items of expenditure that have been set for ward in the Development Estimates.
Unfortunately, Sir, it is one of the ironies of the times that as time gets shorter, the speeches of the Ministers get longer.

to which Mr Chairman, Sir, I would like to congratulate the Ministry of Education for being able to get this substantial amount of money for the development of schools in this country.
However, although so much money has been provided here, there is one very im portant dissatisfaction I would like to refer, and that is over the question of discrimination in the allocation of funds for the Tamil and Chinese schools in this country.
I am not the only one bringing this to the notice of this House because, as you might be aware, Mr Chairman, Sir, the Minister of Commerce and Indus try himself in his speech at Taiping drew attention it was published very boldly in the Straits Times I have tried to emphasise and bring to the notice of the Government that, though in whatever other things we may discriminate, we should not try and discriminate in the matter of education as young children, if they should take certain attitudes, may find it hard to get rid of such attitudes in their later life, but this may be due to the fact that the Go vernment is not able to differentiate between the National language as a language and education in general as just education.
Well, I do not wish the Ministry and in September.

this and some time to to labour long on this point, but I just would like to say that all of us must be aware that an educated man is not one who is educated in a parti cular language and that he can be educated in any language and still is an educated man.

That does not mean that we should not go all out to make the National language language of this country.

We have supported it wholeheartedly.

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the Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid: Sir, on a point of order.

Enche' V. Veerappen: Sadikit sahaja- lah!

Mr Chairman: We have already debated the general policy!

Have you finished?

Enche' V. Veerappen: Almost, Sir, and that was my last sentence, except to conclude that I call upon the Mi nistry to take cognizance of this dis satisfaction.

The next point, which is of much more urgency, is in regard to Subhead 2, Secondary Continuation Schools.
We have had a lot of discussions on this and we are spending roughly nearly $5 million on this.

However, there the is one point which even teachers and the students are not clear about.

Although the schools are going to open day after tomorrow, most of the students are confused and the teachers also are confused, because the Ministry, perhaps, has not in formed the teachers, and so they are of the opinion that there will be a three-year course.
Some of the stu dents are thinking whether to go back to school or not because, as the Mi nister has stated that this matter is under active study, the report is ready and that the Government is consider ing it and that there have been no definite decisions on it.

I just ask the Minister—it late already— to make a statement as to whether it is going to be a two-year course or a three-year course and whether those people who have completed the two- year course will have to go back to school or not.
Such a statement will help the students.

That is all I am asking.

is quite 4931 11 JANUARY 1964 4932 jawapan-nya Toh Muda Haji Abdullah bin Haji Abdul Raof: Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak berchakap sadikit sahaja ia- itu Kepala 122, Pechahan Kepala 3— Secondary Schools Programme, per- untokan wang sa-banyak $12,000,000.

Saya perchaya wang yang sa-banyak ini bagi Secondary Schools Programme ini termasok mengadakan bangunan2, atau pun kelas2 untok science.
Kalau- lah termasok mengada kan kelas science, maka di-sini suka- lah saya merayu kapada Menteri Pe- lajaran supaya mengadakan satu kelas science untok Clifford School, Kuala Kangsar.

Guru Besar Sekolah itu telah pun berjumpa dengan saya dan mene- rangkan perkara ini ia-itu pada hari ini ada satu kelas science sahaja, tetapi kanak2 yang hendak menuntut, yang hendak belajar science ada-lah banyak, lebeh daripada satu kelas— kelas.
di-adakan sa-patut-nya Jadi, dengan sebab itu, saya di-sini merayu supaya dapat di-adakan tam- bahan satu kelas lagi, kerana nampak- nya kanak2 sekarang ini sudah sedar yang ilmu science itu ada-lah musta- tahu bahawa orang2 hak, dan kita kita maseh terkabelakang di- dalam ilmu science ini, dan kalau sa- kira-nya kita hendak menggalakkan anak2 kita mengambil bahagian di- dalam ilmu science, maka patut-lah kita mengadakan segala kesenangan untok mereka yang hendak belajar dan memberi pelajaran untok menga dakan segala kelas2 itu.
Itu-lah sahaja, terima kaseh.

lagi dua Enche' Geh Chong Keat (Penang Utara): Mr Chairman, Sir, I would like to speak under Head 122, Sub-head 8, Teacher Training Programme.

enough Sir, I would like to bring to the notice of the Minister that there are teachers of National not Language in the Chinese and English schools.

Some of these schools have several changes of these National Language teachers in the same year.

One school had six different teachers to teach Form III in a year.
There fore, during the changes from one teacher to another, there is a loss of continuity the method and pro gress of teaching.

This has resulted in many students passing all the subjects in in in that subject, the examination except in the Na tional Language.

Sir, our emphasis is on the National Language and any child who fails the National Language, the L.C.E.

fails the whole examination.


I mention this, Sir, just to show that the future of a brilliant child is damaged because of failure in the National Language.

I know of one case, that of a child who had six distinctions but who the National Language, failed because in his school, which has 20 classes, there was only one full-time and one part-time National Language this Sub-head, I teacher.
So, under request the Minister the training of more teachers in the National Language in the Chinese and English schools.

to provide in in of Sir, this factor everybody coagulating country accepts the National Language as the main our nationalism and our national spirit, and the main factor of unifying us as Malaysian.

But, Sir, there must be tea an adequate number of trained chers in the National Language in all the schools, and not to concentrate only in the Malay-pnedium schools.
If you want our students to speak the National Language, provide all the facilities, give them qualified tea chers in the National Language.

Sir, perhaps to the Minister would find out from me if I can quote exam ples.
To save time, I would like to inform him that cases have been brought to the notice of the Control ler of Examinations and I request the Honourable Minister of Education to review such cases of brilliant students who have passed with so many dis tinctions in various subjects except the National Language, and whether it is possible for them to be promoted so as to concentrate in the National Language in the next Form.
like too, Sir, under this Sub-head, I would like to bring forth to the notice of the Honourable Minister of Edu cation the question of teachers who are sent abroad for specialised train ing.

Sir, we have sent a lot of teachers abroad to study and to specialize in certain subjects.

However, some of to our country, them, on returning 4933 11 JANUARY 1964 4934 are not assigned to teach the subjects which they are specialized in.
If such being the case, Sir, I think we have diverted the interest and the intention of sending these teachers for training.

akan sunggoh di-jalankan Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad: Tuan Pengerusi, di-dalam peruntokan Kementerian Pelajaran ini sa-jumlah $9,600,000 akan di-berikan kapada University Malaya dan menurut apa yang telah di-terangkan oleh Menteri ranchangan2 bagi Yang Berhormat mengadakan asrama, pejabat dan sa- bagai-nya pada ini.
Tuan Pengerusi, nampak tahun ini nyata-lah saya dari peruntokan bahawa Kerajaan ada-lah memikul beban yang besar bagi perbelanjaan University Malaya.

Jadi saya hendak menchadangkan kapada Menteri Yang Berhormat supaya menimbangkan pada perbelanjaan yang kita keluar- kan kapada University Malaya ini.

University of Malaya hendak-lah di- arahkan oleh Kerajaan supaya lebeh membentokkan pengajaran di-Univer- sity itu menurut kehendak dan cha racter kebangsaan di-negeri ini.
Tuan Pengerusi, pun menjadi tabi'at University mempunyai kebe- basan di-dalam pelajaran academy tetapi sa-buah negara yang baharu bangun dan sa-buah nagara yang ingin supaya negeri kita mempunyai pelajaran University yang sipat kepe- ribadian kita sendiri, mustahak-lah di- kapada mereka tugaskan bahawa yang kita hendak bukan ha- nya menukar bahasa Inggeris kapada bahasa Kebangsaan konsep Inggeris kapada bahasa Kebangsaan.
Konsep yang di-timbulkan di-dalam negeri ini yang mengelilingi hidup ra'ayat negeri ini.

Ini, Tuan Penge rusi, ada-lah satu perkara yang besar di-pandang membahasa melayukan sa- aleran pengajaran di-University bagaimana yang telah di-nyatakan oleh Kerajaan.

Tuan Pengerusi, di- dalam hal ini tentu-lah Menteri Yang Berhormat akan berhadapan dengan orang2 dan anasir2 yang ingin menge- kalkan keperibadian University yang asal yang datang dari kesan2 lama.
Saya di- dalam masaalah ini supaya wang yang kita belanjakan $9,600,000 dan ba- di-pertegaskan berharap sentiasa tetapi lagi perbelanjaan2 di-tanggong ini dapat di-gunakan nyak oleh negeri pada tempat-nya.

Tuan Pengerusi, di-dalam Kepala- Kechil 10 dalam Kepala 122 ini ada peruntokan di-siapkan sa-banyak tiga juta ringgit bagi mengadakan rumah2 guru, sekolah2 di-kampong2.

Menurut keterangan Menteri Yang Berhormat lebeh kurang 245 buah rumah akan di-bangunkan dengan wang ini.
dia dengan anjoran ada-kah Saya rasa, Tuan Pengerusi, wang itu sangat-lah sadikit dan kalau 245 di-bahagikan kapada 11, kata-lah di- bahagi kapada 10 sahaja, 24 bagi sa-buah negeri, dan berma'ana sa-buah jajahan ada 2 buah sekolah sahaja hetong panjang yang akan mendapat rumah guru.
Tuan Pengerusi, dua buah rumah ada-lah sangat mendukachita- kan, sebab pada waktu saya telah ahli yang menimbangkan menjadi kesulitan perumahan guru2 di-negeri Kelantan jabatan pelajaran, saya dapati lebeh 1,000 buah rumah perlu di-buat, dan saya per- chaya di-negeri lain boleh jadi lebeh tidak daripada tahu itu, Jadi, saya bagaimana-kah gaya-nya ranchangan itu mahu di-jalankan oleh Yang Ber hormat, berchadang hendak memechah2kan ranchangan itu dengan ranchangan yang bagitu kechil, ini tidak dapat di-rasa atau di-punyai' satu chara yang untok membanyakkan perkembangan memberi rumah kapada guru2 di-kawasan luar bandar itu dapat di-rasai.
Tuan Pengerusi, saya nampak walau pun rural school quarters itu di-sebut pembangunan Juar bandar, tetapi oleh kerana di-tujukan pada sekolah ini menurut keterangan Yang sekolah Berhormat dengan rendah sa-banyak peruntokan lebeh baik bagi Menteri Yang Berhormat itu bukan peruntokan menjadikan rural school quarters, tetapi ulu school quarters, sekolah di-ulu sahaja di- dahulukan, sebab kalau hendak di- berikan kapada rural school quarters tidak akan menyampaikan tentu-lah sa-barang maksud oleh kerana banyak- nya sekolah2 yang di-kehendaki dan rumah2 guru itu.
Tetapi kalau di-jadikan ini di-utamakan di-ulu2 permulaan tempat2 yang tidak sampai kenderaan ada-lah kebangsaan, maka itu ada tadi, itu 11 JANUARY 1964 4936 atau tujoh sa-saorang guru sa-bagai-nya 4935 dengan mudah, tempat2 yang baharu di-bena sekolah itu ada rumah2 untok itu membolehkan menyewa saya perchaya dengan demikian sahaja akan menjadi berguna ranchangan itu.
Jika tidak, ranchangan ini akan menyim- bahkan ayer ka-dalam kolam yang besar yang tidak menambahkan sa- suatu, Tuan Pengerusi, saya ingin memperkatakan soal guru, dan latehan ini ada guru, di-dalam peruntokan di-siapkan perbelanjaan juta lebeh untok melateh guru2 bagi tahun hadapan ini.
Ini satu langkah yang baik, tetapi yang saya dukachita pada waktu2 yang akhir ini saya perhatikan satu perkara yang terjadi di-kalangan guru2 ia-itu mereka telah tahu bahawa pada akhir-nya sa-kali ia-itu kita mengajar guru sekolah yang kita ajar di-kelas kita sa-bagai sa-orang guru dan kedudokan kita di-sekolah itu ada-lah di-ator oleh Jema'ah Pengurus Sekolah itu sendiri.
Tuan Pengerusi, kejadian yang bagini telah menyebab- kan nasib yang tidak baik kapada Sekolah2 Menengah umpama-nya yang di-tempatkan di-tempat2 tidak berapa di-setuju oleh guru2 muda.

Saya men- chadangkan supaya dapat buat sa- kurang2-nya satu peratoran yang tetap bahawa guru2 hendak-lah berkhidmat kapada sekolah yang jauh2 pada masa awal tahun mereka di-jadikan guru yang terlateh.
Tuan Pengerusi, kalau langkah dan ini pemilehan tempat yang akan di-laku- kan hanya-lah akan berpusat di- bandar2 dan akhir maksud fasal kita melateh guru2 sa-demikian banyak dan sa-jumlah belanja yang demikian akan di-tumpukan hasil-nya kapada tempat yang sadikit.
Jadi, Tuan Pengerusi, di-Pantai Timor umpama-nya penarek- guru2 an pergi ka-Pantai Timor itu amat-lah sadikit, jauh, dan mereka merasa sekarang ini boleh jadi ia-nya maseh merasa kalau pergi ka-Pantai Timor dia akan menghadapi monsun, bahaya dan sa-bagai-nya.
Saya menchadang- kan supaya di-betulkan keadaan ini sebab sekolah2 di-dalam negeri ini ada-lah memberikan pelajaran dan lain2-nya yang penting pada pelajaran itu, dan mereka ini menggunakan wang ra'ayat demikian banyak mem tidak mengambil kapada supaya terlalu bolehkan mereka itu menjadi orang yang terlateh, maka sa-kira-nya kita tidak mengkeraskan mereka supaya berkhidmat di-mana2 sahaja yang kita arahkan untok mengajar, sudah tentu akan jadi-lah pemilehan yang tidak itu berlaku daripada di-kehendaki tiap2 sa-orang guru yang akan bertugas kelak.
Enche9 Abdul Ghani bin Ishak (Melaka Utara): Tuan Pengerusi, saya bersama2 mengalu2kan ranchangan belanjawan kiita pada tahun hadapan ini dalam Kepala 122, dan saya suka berchakap sadikit dalam pechahan kepala 1, kemudian cheraian 2 ber- kenaan dengan Sekolah Rendah.

Ada satu sekolah yang di-bena kira2 dalam tahun dua puloh ia-itu Sekolah Kebangsaan Durian Daun.
Saya telah membawa perkara ini di-dalam Jawa- yang mula2 tan-kuasa Kemajuan menchadangkan hendak di-bena dalam tahun 1962, kemudian entah bagai- mana di-hantar tempat lain dahulu, kemudian dapat nasihat daripada Kementerian mengatakan dalam tahun 1963 tetapi bila saya bertanya di- dalam meshuarat yang akhir ini harus barangkali pada tahun 1964 ini-kah, atau bila agak-nya.
Jadi, saya hendak menarek perhatian ini bukan sebab-nya yang saya dukachita ranchangan2 itu tidak dapat di-jalankan, tetapi sekolah2 khas—sekolah yang saya maksudkan itu di-bawah sekolah tiang-nya empat batang berdiri, kemudian dia punya bilek2-nya di-antara satu batang tiang dengan satu batang tiang itu, saya rasa, tentu-lah kita semua di-sini tahu bagaimana ranchangan sekolah tahun 1922 dahulu, sekolah2 itu pula budak2 belajar pagi dan petang, kemudian sekarang ini ada hendak di-tompangkan kelas2 dewasa pula.
itu ini kalau dapat Jadi, Tuan Pengerusi, ranchangan tahun 1964 tidak usah-lah tinggalkan berkenaan dengan Kebangsaan pembenaan Sekolah itu.

Durian Daun di-Masjid Tanah berkenaan berbangkit Kemudian dengan latehan guru, sub-head 8 ada perkara yang saya rasa patut dapat perhatian ini, umpama-nya kita melateh guru2 di- Day Training Centre mithal-nya, kemudian kata-lah guru2 yang di-ambil dari Kementerian 4937 11 JANUARY 1964 4938 ini saya daripada di-Sekolah kebangsaan juga.
Saya lain daripada Melayu ia-itu daripada guru2 China atau lain yang akan mengajar bahasa Kebangsaan mithal- nya Jenis Kebangsaan peringkat rendah—satu, dua dan tiga.
Pensharah2-nya terdiri daripada guru2 tidak-lah hendak China menyentoh darihal kebolehan mereka, tetapi saya suka dapat memberikan fikiran di-sini, kerana apa yang saya dapati murid2 yang menerima pelajaran pen- bahasa sharah2 yang ada itu, saya rasa tidak dapat hendak di-gunakan dengan chara yang lebeh baik pada masa mereka mengajar di-sekolah2 untok melanchar kan gerakan bahasa kebangsaan yang hasil-nya beberapa banyak anak2 yang barangkali di-sungutkan oleh wakil dari Pulau Pinang Utara tadi banyak di-antara murid2-nya tidak tamat pela jaran bahasa kebangsaan.
Jadi, masaa- lah saya rasa bandingkan di-antara dua orang guru yang mempunyai ilmu yang sama boleh mengajar bahasa kebangsaan, satu yang daripada-nya, mengajar bahasa kebangsaan kapada murid2 di-sekolah asing ini, kerana juga guru2 kita mengajar banyak dengan guru2 yang saya katakan dapat latehan di-D.T.C.
tadi yang pensharah- nya daripada orang China, kemudian lain chara-nya, dan dia mengajar pada pepereksaan tingkatan kalau di-jalankan oleh guru2 yang sebutan- nya maseh 80 peratus sahaja betul sa-bagaimana sebutan asli, tentu-lah kita dapati kesusahan menemui murid2 yang lebeh baik lagi menerima atau pun menjalankan bahasa kebangsaan ini pada masa yang akan datang.

Jadi, perkara ini patut-lah di-perhatikan untok kebaikan atau perkembangan pelajaran kita pada masa yang akan datang.
yang di-adakan pun itu guru Melayu apabila rendah Sekarang saya hendak berchakap berkenaan dengan Hostels Programme.

Saya tahniah suka menguchapkan kapada Kementerian kerana mengada- kan Ranchangan Asrama ini, sebab kita dapati sekolah2 menengah, sama ada sekolah menengah rendah atau pun tinggi kita dapati murid2-nya datang dari jauh, kadang2 kita 18-25 batu.
Kalau sekolah menengah fikir yang kechil perhatikan pada akhir tahun sa-bagai dalil banyak murid yang meminta dudok di-asrama, barangkali ya-baha- sahaja gian dapat elok-lah Saya di-tampong.

Kementerian lagi ini membesarkan itu supaya asrama yang sudah ada dapat menampong murid2 yang hendak dudok di-asrama.
Kalau kita banding kan dengan murid2 yang berulang, terutama sa-kali murid perempuan masa mereka habis di-tengah jalan, dan kalau kita siasat kebolehan di-antara murid2 yang berulang dengan murid2 yang dudok di-asrama yang ada per- atoran yang baik itu tentu-lah kita dapat akui bahawa murid yang dudok di-asrama lebeh bernasib baik dan kebanyakan-nya lulus pada tiap2 tahun Jadi di-dalam segala pepereksaan.

pandangkan kalau ini hal ini pun satu fikir mustahak.
Saya daripada jalan kita hendak menolong anak2 kita pada masa yang akan datang supaya tamat dengan lebeh baik lagi dalam pelajaran.

kita itu, Oleh elok-lah di-tambah saya merayu kapada Kementerian ini membesarkan asrama2 di-tempat2 yang nampak-nya mustahak.

Saya tidak-lah arahkan satu persatu, supaya tetapi sa-kurang2-nya 50 peratus murid2 yang dudok di-asrama kalau tidak dapat 100 peratus dalam satu dua tahun ini.
Mithal-nya, di-Melaka ada 4-5 sekolah tiap2 menengah satu asrama itu boleh muat 120 orang sahaja, jadi 4 kelas sahaja kalau hendak di-tampong, tetapi di-sekolah itu ada berpuloh2 kelas daripada Form 1 sampai-lah kapada murid2 yang Pelajaran hendak mengambil Sijil Persekolahan.

Oleh ini patut dapat rasa daripada Kementerian ini.

Terima kaseh.

itu, perkara rendah dan timbang tinggi, Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid: Tuan Pengerusi, berchakap saya hendak pendek sahaja.
Yang pertama sa-kali saya ribuan ingin menguchapkan terima kaseh kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri yang telah pun melaksanakan beberapa ranchangan bangunan seko lah sa-buah Sekolah Lanjutan Pelajaran di-Kepala sa-buah Sekolah Menengah Batas, lagi Inggeris dan Bahasa Sekolah Menengah Bahasa Kebangsaan kebangsaan, sa-buah rendah 4939 11 JANUARY 1964 4940 di-Bagan Tajam.
uchapkan Saya terima kaseh kerana pen- sa-tinggi dudok di-sana sangat-lah sukachita dan menyambut baik ranchangan2 itu yang telah pun siap dan akan berjalan pada tahun ini.

saya ingin Sekarang juga-lah kerumitan berchakap dalam Kepala 122 berkenaan dengan Ranchangan Melateh Guru.

Saya ingin memberitahu kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri ia-itu sekolah kebangsaan pun bagitu sa-bagai- mana yang di-sebutkan oleh wakil Pulau Pinang Utara mengenai' guru yang hendak mengajar bahasa Inggeris.
ia-lah satu bahasa Bahasa yang wajib bagi murid sekolah kebang saan Bahasa Kebangsaan kapada murid2 di-sekolah China.

sa-bagaimana Inggeris juga Oleh itu, saya harap guru2 bahasa Inggeris yang hendak di-tempatkan di-sekolah kebangsaan itu biar-lah terlateh betul2 di-hantar guru2 yang untok mengajar dan itu anak kita supaya dapat mereka lulus dalam bahasa Inggeris yang di-wajibkan kapada mereka itu.
berkelulusan itu lain2 yang mereka Yang kedua, Tuan Pengerusi, ada di-antara guru2 yang di-beri latehan khas saperti di-Maktab Perguruan Bahasa untok mengajar bahasa Ing geris dan bahasa kebangsaan.

Ada sa-tengah guru2 itu keluaran M.T.C.

lulus dan 'am.

Jadi, kadang2 dalam pelajaran latehan kita dapati orang yang ada khas di-suroh mengajar perkara 'am kapada murid2, dan guru yang di- hantar untok bahasa Inggeris di-suroh mengajar ilmu hisab dan guru yang di-hantar untok bahasa kebangsaan ilmu sains.
Oleh di-suroh mengajar itu, ada itu di-suroh mengajar latehan khas dalam pelajaran khas dan bagitu juga guru2 yang ada latehan perkara 'am di-suroh mengajar darjah2 yang ada perkara2 'am.

saya harap guru2 yang Yang ketiga, Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka mendengar bahawa pada tahun ini sa-banyak 240 rumah guru2 akan di-bena bandar.
luar sangat-lah mustahak, Perkara di-tempat Tuan Pengerusi, kerana lima buah sekolah saya sendiri ada di-kawasan ini rendah dan dua buah sekolah mene- ngah yang baharu dan satu sekolah lanjutan pelajaran yang baharu itu tidak ada rumah guru.

Jadi, kalau tidak ada rumah guru yang berdeka- tan dengan tentu-lah kita sekolah dapat beberapa kesusahan.

Sekolah2 itu terbiar dan tinggal bagitu sahaja.


Molek-lah sa-kurang2-nya di-buat dua buah rumah bagi satu2 sekolah; sa- buah untok Guru Besar dan sa-buah untok guru yang kanan supaya dapat mereka itu mengelola dan mengawasi itu dan dapat menjalankan sekolah pelajaran sempurna.

Kalau tidak, guru2 dan murid2 yang datang tahu lambat dan balek awal jauh.

sebab Guru Besar Jadi, molek-lah rumah guru dan di-utamakan kapada seko lah2 yang belum lagi ada rumah guru; langsong ada sekolah rumah guru.
Rumah guru ini sangat mustahak.

Saya minta pembenaan rumah guru ini di-utama dan di- dahulukan.

Terima kaseh.

tidak itu dudok itu tidak ada di-adakan dengan Enche' Abdul Samad bin Osman (Sungai Patani): Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka hendak berchakap pada Kepala 122, Pechahan Kepala 3—Secondary Schools Programme yang ada per- untokan sa-banyak $12,000,000.
Di- Sungai Patani, ada sa-buah sekolah menengah ia-itu Ibrahim School yang ada murid2 sa-banyak 1,600 orang, lebeh kurang itu ada di-antara-nya 400 orang murid yang belajar dalam kelas bahasa kebangsaan.
Dahulu-nya semua murid2 ini di-tempatkan di- tetapi baharu2 dalam satu sekolah, ini lebeh kurang 6 bulan yang sudah, murid2 yang belajar di-dalam kelas bahasa di- pindahkan kapada satu tempat ia-itu satu Sekolah Lanjutan Kampong yang ini kosong sekarang saya berasa rumit, dan di-sini saya hendak kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri, oleh sebab murid2 yang sa-ramai 400 orang itu telah di- pindah daripada Sekolah Menengah Ibrahim kapada Sekolah Lanjutan Kampong yang jauh-nya lebeh kurang satu batu, dan murid7 ini mengandongi murid2 laki2 dan murid2 perempuan, jadi terpaksa-lah mereka kena berjalan satu batu untok pergi belajar science, ini.
Jadi, soal kebangsaan kemukakan telah itu 4941 11 JANUARY 1964 4942 kerana science laboratory itu ada di- sekolah Ibrahim School sahaja.

sa-takat Yang kedua, sekolah yang di-beri tempat baharu sekarang ini ada chukup 400 murid2 sahaja, itu-lah muatan-nya, ta' boleh di-terima lagi.

Saya berasa susah berkenaan dengan perkara ini, barangkali pada tahun ini akan bertambah di-antara 50 hingga 100 orang murid lagi, mungkin ta' ada tempat hendak di-tempatkan murid2 itu.
Murid2 yang belajar ini bukan-lah mereka itu datang dari satu tempat, tetapi ia-lah datang dari satu jajahan Kuala Muda, maka dengan kerana itu, saya merayu-lah kapada Menteri ini atas dua perkara, yang pertama minta- lah di-perbesarkan sekolah ini, atau pun buat baharu sekolah menengah bagi kelas bahasa kebangsaan ini, dan yang kedua, tolong-lah buat science jadi laboratory di-situ gadoh murid2 itu berjalan satu batu pergi dan satu batu balek, kerana ini.
hendak belajar perkara science ini Saya harap pada Kementerian di-atas tolong-lah perkara sangat-lah rumit bagi murid2 yang belajar di-situ.

ambil perhatian itu, kalau supaya tidak ta' dengan Enche' Mohamed Yusof bin Man- mud!

(Temerloh): Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak berchakap berkenaan dengan pembenaan sekolah, muka 18, Kepala 122, Pechahan Kepala 1.
Saya harap pembenaan sekolah2 ini dapat kira-nya ini mengarahkan pega- Kementerian wai2 yang di-bawah supaya tiap2 satu benaan yang hendak di-buat itu di- rundingkan Jawatan-kuasa Pembangunan Luar Bandar Daerah segala kesulitan2 yang di- supaya pandang dari segi mata ra'ayat dapat di-selesaikan.

Jadi, saya harap, itu yang pertama-nya, tidak-lah dari segi kemudahan2 daripada pegawai2 itu hendak pergi ka-sekolah2 itu, atau pun kemudahan2 bagi pegawai2 itu untok menjaga pekerjaan-nya.
Jadi, ini-lah yang selalu merunsingkan saya apabila permintaan2 sekolah itu hendak sekolah baharu daripada membuat satu tempat yang di-minta oleh orang ta' dapat di-persetujul oleh ramai Pejabat Pelajaran.

rasa, elok-lah pembenaan2 ini di-persetuju'i Pembangunan oleh Jawatan-kuasa Jadi, saya ini, lampau sekolah terutama di-sebabkan itu, ada dua Luar Bandar dan baharu-lah di-bena.
Dalam pada itu, saya mengingatkan juga sa-bagaimana uchapan saya pada tentang benaan masa yang sekolah2 sekolah2 sa-kali rendah di-mana anak2 murid daripada darjah satu, darjah dua, dan darjah tiga yang dudok, yang payah hendak sungai2 pergi besar.

Saya telah menulis kapada Ke menterian ini berkenaan dengan per lagi dapat tetapi belum kara memuaskan hati saya atas jawapan itu.
Jadi, saya minta sangat-lah ia-itu ke- pentingan kita ia-lah hendak memberi pelajaran kapada anak kita, bukan-lah untok kepentingan untok membuat satu theory yang elok, sebab di-dalam negeri saya Pahang ia-itu Sungai Pahang yang besar tempat di- kampong Jelam, di-Telok Era; ini dua ta' dapat benaan2 sekolah tempat itu yang telah kami minta beberapa tahun yang sudah, akibat-nya pada masa bulan sa-belas, atau bulan dua belas, jikalau di-Kampong Jelam itu lebeh kurang ada 60 orang murid2 yang ta' bersekolah, oleh sebab banjir dari sungai itu.
Bagitu juga di-kampong Telok Era, sunggoh pun di-Telok Era ada perkhidmatan motor, tetapi saya ta' tahu-lah, yang saya tahu motor itu tidor sahaja-lah, ta' boleh di-pakai.

Jadi, rasa saya, maklumat yang di-sampaikan oleh Pegawai Tempatan itu kapada Ke tidak-lah betul.

Jadi, menterian untok mengelakkan segala perkara ini, saya harap dapat Yang Berhormat Menteri memikirkan pembenaan seko lah yang dua tempat yang saya cha- dangkan itu tadi.
terpaksa tiga ini Lagi di-buat saya harap sekolah2 satu, yang pembenaan-nya oleh orang2 kampong pada masa dharurat dahulu sampai sekarang ini elok-lah di- gantikan dengan baharu, sa-umpama- nya sa-buah kampong yang bernama Kampong Senyum lebeh kurang tiga batu masok ka-dalam hutan, bangu- nan itu patut-lah di-gantikan dengan baharu.

Anak2 murid-nya di-sana yang saya tahu ada lebeh kurang 60 orang lebeh yang belajar.
Jadi, sekolah yang sa-macham ini-lah yang saya harap- kan mendapat perhatian dari pehak yang berkenaan untok dapat di-bena.
4943 11 JANUARY 1964 4944 Saya tahu juga banyak guru2 yang ta' di- hendak suka pergi mengajar sekolah2 yang jauh di-dalam hutan2 yang sa-macham itu, sebab saya tahu Sekolah Senyum ini yang pada satu masa dahulu ada anchaman daripada satu dua orang yang tidak bertang- gong-jawab hendak di-tutupkan seko lah itu, tetapi dengan sebab bijaksana- nya Kementerian ini, maka perkara itu dapat di-elakkan.
Itu-lah yang saya juga, bukan katakan semua-nya pegawai2 ini yang ta' suka hendak berkhidmat di-sekolah2 kam- pong yang jauh2 di-dalam hutan itu.

Jadi, sekolah ini, saya minta-lah dan supaya dapat di-perbaiki, berharap sebab ada kemungkinan yang kam- pong ini akan menjadi besar, terutama ranchangan2 sa-kali dengan ada-nya pembangunan yang telah kita adakan sekarang ini.
tadi banyak ini itu, dan Lagi satu yang saya hendak cha- kapkan ia-lah Sekolah Bangau yang ada pada masa ini sudah banyak kali orang2 kampong merayu kapada ini untok di-perbaiki, Kementerian bahkan kapada Menteri yang lalu pun telah di-buat ia-itu Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib yang ada melawat ka-kampong telah tentang kedudokan ba- di-beritahu ngunan itu ia-itu di-atas siling sekolah itu di-dudoki oleh kelawar2, dan di- dapati najis2 terlampau banyak, dengan yang demikan tempat itu ber- itu, bahu busok di-dalam jadi terpaksa-lah anak2 murid di-situ bukan-nya belajar di-dalam sekolah, tetapi belajar di-luar sekolah.
Jadi, perkara ini kita telah menyampaikan sudah kapada pehak yang bertahun2, sekarang ini ta' dapat layanan.

Jadi, saya harap ini dapat di-siasat dan di- perkara perbaiki, kerana perkara ini sudah lama, dan telah ada jaminan daripada Menteri yang lama dahulu untok mengawasi di-dalam hal ini.
tertentu sekolah sampai tetapi itu itu terutama di-tempat puan yang akan belajar di-sekolah2 saya, menengah tetapi akibat oleh sebab tidak ada hostel, atau tidak ada asrama bagi murid2 ini menyebabkan kebanyakan ibu bapa mereka ta' berupaya hendak menghantar anak2-nya belajar oleh sa-kali sebab, yang pertama tentang keselamatan anak2-nya.
Dan yang kedua, oleh sebab hal2 yang lain yang ta' dapat mereka itu melan- saya jutkan merayu-lah terutama di-tempat saya ini, kerana belum ada lagi hostel yang dapat di-gunakan untok di-beri kapada anak2 murid perempuan, ia-itu di- lagi satu di-Chenor.

Temerloh dan kanak2 Di-sini-lah yang banyak yang akan melanjutkan pela jaran-nya ka-sekolah2 menengah.

pelajaran-nya.
pelajaran-nya.

peratus Jadi, lagi saya Lagi satu berkenaan dengan satu suka menarek sekolah yang perhatian ia-itu Sekolah Jenis Ke bangsaan China Kampong Kerayong.
Pada masa ini sekolah itu—sekolah- nya sudah lama, dan sekolah itu di- buat lebeh kurang 10 tahun dahulu sa-chara kechil2 kerana anak2 murid- nya sekarang sudah bertambah banyak, dan saya berharap supaya mendapat pandangan, ia-itu kalau boleh menda pat lebeh kurang enam darjah rumah itu untok menyempurnakan banyak-nya murid2 yang dapat belajar di-tempat itu.

Jadi, rasa saya perkara ini telah saya hantar kapada Kemen terian ini untok mendapatkan bantuan, dan kapada pembangunan negeri.
Saya harap pada tahun ini dapat juga di-beri kapada sekolah yang itu saya sebutkan tadi.

Dalam pada pun, saya juga menguchapkan terima kaseh di-atas bantuan yang telah di- beri oleh Kementerian ini kapada Sekolah Jenis Kebangsaan China di- untok Teriang science class, maka di-atas bantuan itu saya uchapkan terima kaseh.

ini daripada peruntokan telah di-hantar sa-banyak $30,000 juga Lagi satu perkara, Tuan Pengerusi, ia-lah berkenaan dengan hostel.
Saya berharap oleh ini sebab peratus anak2 murid pada sekolah2 kebangsaan yang lulus untok masok ka-sekolah2 menengah telah mening- jadi banyak anak2 murid ter kat, utama sa-kali daripada anak2 perem- sekarang berkenaan dengan juga Bagitu rumah2 guru ini.

Sebab pembenaan dalam lawatan saya ka-kawasan daerah saya, banyak orang2 kampong merayu kapada saya supaya tiap2 sekolah yang jauh yang mana guru2-nya terpaksa rumah-nya— datang patut-lah di-berikan rumah.
Sebab jika jauh daripada 4945 11 JANUARY 1964 4946 balek patut-lah ini atau sa-macham ini tidak ada guru2 itu di-kawasan sekolah terutama sa-kali guru besar di-dalam sekolah itu maka pelajaran luar dari- saperti per sekolah pada bangku mainan, guide girls scout, boys terpaksa terbengkalai kerana guru itu tidak ada di-kawasan sekolah dan kerana terpaksa-lah mereka mereka dudok 12 batu atau 15 batu daripada sekolah-nya.

Jadi kalau me sekolah reka macham di-adakan bangunan2 untok guru2 itu.
Sebab ini juga akan mengakibatkan tinggal ke- belakang anak2 kita di-dalam segi scout atau pun out door activities.

Saya dengar 240 buah rumah akan di- dirikan di-seluroh Persekutuan ini oleh itu saya harap di-buatkan di-tempat2 itu rumah2 guru kechuali, di-dalam kawasan bandar di-mana guru2 itu senang menyewa rumah dan berulang alek ka-sekolah.

Tidak-lah kita hirau atau dekat bandar2 tetapi sekolah yang jauh patut- rumah2 guru lah sangat di-adakan kerana keselamatan sekolah2 itu.
Yang kedua kalau guru2 itu dudok jauh dari sekolah-nya tentu-lah akan merasa risau atas keselamatan keluarga-nya.

Jadi itu-lah perkara2 yang saya harap dapat perhatian kerana telah berulang2 merayu, baik kapada Ke- menterian, baik kapada negeri dan juga supaya Pembangunan Luar Bandar dapat-lah pada ini di- tahun 1964 adakan rumah2 guru ini.
khuatirkan sekolah2 saya ini sekolah terutama Datin Fatimah binti Haji Hashim (Jitra-Padang Terap): Tuan Pengerusi, Kepala 122 dalam perkara mengada- kan sa-kali sekolah2 baharu, saya harap pehak dan Kementerian yang berkenaan Pelajaran dalam negeri ini dalam mengadakan sekolah2 baharu itu tidak- lah sahaja dapat mengadakan bangu nan sekolah sahaja bahkan dapat juga di-persiapkan padang permainan di- sekolah2 tersebut.
Kerana saya berkata demikian di-sini ia-lah oleh sebab ada- nya telah berlaku sedang Kerajaan mengadakan sekolah2 baharu ini tidak pula mengadakan padang2 permainan di-sekolah2 yang di-adakan itu.

Pada ini hal kita tahu padang permainan amat-lah mustahak di- sekolah2 itu kerana hendak memberi peluang dan melateh anak2 murid di-adakan saperti mengadakan latehan badan saperti senaman dan lain2 bersangkut- paut dengan pelajaran mereka.
juga yang terpenchil saya harap pehak Bagitu Kementerian ini dapat memandang jauh di-dalam mengadakan bangunan2 sekolah baharu ini hendak-lah memberi timbangan yang adil kapada sekolah2 di-kampong yang kurang ada-nya rumah2 kampong untok guru2 itu menyewa untok menjadi tinggal-nya, harap-lah pehak tempat Kerajaan mengadakan sa-kali rumah2 guru.
Kerana mustahak-nya sa-bagai- telah di-terangkan oleh mana yang telah berchakap sahabat saya yang ini lebeh dahulu mustahak juga kerana menjaga taraf guru, juga kesenangan kapada guru2 itu.

Di-kampong2, Tuan Pengerusi, sunggoh pun banyak rumah2 kampong senang di-chari oleh guru2 itu untok di-sewa tetapi ada sa-tengah2 kampong kurang pula rumah yang boleh dapat di-sewa bagaimana telah saya cherita- kan tadi.
Oleh itu saya harap dalam mengadakan bangunan sekolah2 baharu ini, di- timbangkan dengan sa-wajar-nya.

Ba rumah2 guru untok gitu memberi kemudahan dan menyenang- kan hati bagi guru2 itu.

tadi, rumah2 guru permainan juga-lah padang juga Bagitu juga di-sekolah2 yang lama yang belum ada mempunyai padang permainan hendak-lah di-adakan di- sekolah itu.
Kerana sa-bagaimana saya tadi mustahak padang di- katakan adakan ia-lah untok menjaga kesihatan murid2 yang belajar dalam sekolah2 tersebut, demikian pandangan saya, terima kaseh.

F.L.D.A.

Enche' Mohamed bin Ujang: Tuan Pengerusi, tadi apabila Menteri Pela jaran mengemukakan anggaran perbe- lanjaan tahun ini telah menyebutkan dalam Ranchangan sa- banyak 245 buah rumah guru akan di-bena.
Saya ingin dapat tahu, Tuan Pengerusi, ada-kah 245 ini termasok rumah guru di-satu tempat di-kawasan penempatan sa-mula ia-itu di-Sungai Lui.
Sungai Lui, di-Jelebu ini, Tuan Pengerusi, berkehendakkan sangat rumah2 ini kerana ranchangan penempatan sa-mula di-Sungai Lui ini jauh-nya lebeh kurang 40 batu dari Kuala Pilah, satu pekan dalam Negeri ada-lah 4947 11 JANUARY 1964 4948 tidak di-tempat di-tukarkan Sembilan dan kalau sa-orang guru itu telah ma'ana-nya dia akan dapat menempoh bandar Kuala Pilah sa- kurang2-nya satu bulan sa-kali.
Jadi saya ingin-lah dapat tahu ada-kah ini termasok rumah guru Sungai Lui, jika tidak saya harap-lah perkara ini akan di-masokkan.

Satu perkara lagi berkenaan dengan Rural School.

Saya rasa memang da- hulu saya telah kemukakan beberapa kali supaya di-adakan sa-buah seko lah kebangsaan di-Kampong Pantai itu lebeh kurang 8 batu dari Seremban dan permintaan lebeh kurang dua tahun dahulu.

Saya telah dapat jawapan akan di-buat pada tahun besok, tetapi sampai sekarang lagi.
Saya belum juga di-laksanakan harap kapada Menteri supaya memberi timbangan' dengan sa-penoh- nya berkenaan dengan sekolah ke bangsaan di-Pantai ini.

itu di-buat ini telah faham sekolah ada-kah ini Lagi satu, Tuan Pengerusi, saya ran- tidak berapa termasok changan bagi sekolah sekolah2 di-New Village.
Di-New Village, Jelebu, ia-itu di-Pertang ke- adaan terlampau itu burok dan Jawatan-kuasa sekolah itu telah beberapa kali mengadakan me- shuarat dan memanggil saya berun- ding dan saya telah mengadukan hal ini kapada pehak yang berkenaan tetapi belum juga dapat jawapan lagi.

Jadi saya harap-lah benar tiga per kara ini akan dapat di-pertimbangkan oleh Menteri yang berkenaan.
Enche' Othman bin Abdullah (Perlis Utara): Tuan Pengerusi, saya me- ngambil kesempatan sadikit mengalu2- kan peruntokan perbelanjaan ini, ter- utama sa-kali saya hendak berchakap berhubong dengan ranchangan seko lah2 rendah.
Saya mengambil kesem patan menguchapkan tah- niah kapada Menteri Pelajaran dalam lawatan-nya baharu2 bidang ini ka- negeri Perlis telah berpeluang mela- wat beberapa buah sekolah termasok Sekolah Besri, Datok Keraman dan lain2 di-chadangkan yang untok di-dirikan sa-chara yang lebeh terator.

Saya pcrchaya baharu dan itu, dengan lawatan yang sa-tinggi2 tersebut sekolah pehak Kementerian Pelajaran tidak akan melupakan dan akan menjalan- kan serta- merta.
itu dengan ranchangan Satu lagi saya suka hendak mengu chapkan tahniah kerana pehak Ke menterian Pelajaran telah mendirikan sekolah baharu ia-itu Sekolah Tinggi Tok Pandak di-Perlis yang mana sekolah tahun di-pe- gang dan di-dirikan oleh Lembaga Pengerus Sekolah itu sendiri.

Dengan ada-nya peruntokan dari Kementerian ini, maka tidak lama lagi budak2 di- daerah yang tersebut akan menerima sekolah yang baharu dan lengkap.

itu berpuloh2 Satu perkara berhubong dengan perkara 12—Hostel Programme.
Saya suka menyebutkan kapada pehak yang berkenaan bahawa di-negeri Perlis ada sa-buah sekolah Inggeris yang di- namakan Sekolah Derma yang di-diri kan sa-chara derma—sa-chara pakatan orang2 kampong pada masa itu dan sekarang ini sekolah itu telah pun di- ambil aleh oleh Kerajaan dan men- dapat jagaan daripada Kerajaan.
ia-itu Hanya satu perkara sahaja berkenaan dengan hostel, hostel itu boleh mengisi kanak2 hanya 50 orang sahaja, pada hal sekolah itu sekarang ini sa-makin besar dan luas, dan saya berharap-lah pehak yang berkenaan supaya hostel di-Perlis itu di-buat dengan lebeh besar dan sempurna lagi supaya dapat-lah kanak2 di-kawasan luar bandar itu mengambil bahagian yang penoh dalam lapangan pelajaran.

Atas perhatian dan kerjasama pehak yang berkenaan, saya mendahului uchapan tahniah dan terima kaseh.
tiga perkara Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji Muda: Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak ia-itu berchakap atas atas kepala 122 itu, pertama sa-kali berkenaan dengan sekolah rendah di- kawasan F.L.D.A.

Ranchangan menga dakan sekolah rendah di-dalam ka- wasan ranchangan F.L.D.A.
itu ada- lah bagus, kerana sa-bahagian besar bukan seluroh orang yang di-kawasan itu ada mempunyai anak mereka itu perlu mendapat pelajaran, saya hen dak bertanya kapada Menteri Yang di-bawah Berhormat apa-kah itu 4949 11 JANUARY 1964 4950 tanah sahaja itu dan ranchangan F.L.D.A.

yang perlukan sekolah itu?


Atau pun boleh- itu kah Menteri Yang Berhormat mengadakan satu ranchangan lagi ia- itu di-dirikan sekolah2 di-bawah mana2 tanah, umpama-nya ran ranchangan changan tanah di-negeri Kelantan, itu ranchangan walau pun tidak F.L.D.A., tetapi ternyata-lah ba- hawa mereka itu yang membuka itu mempunyai2 anak2 dan tanah mereka perlu kapada pelajaran.
Saya ini suka menyatakan dalam Dewan bahawa pehak Lembaga Kemajuan telah pun Tanah Negeri Kelantan memikirkan perkara saya perchaya perhubongan dengan pehak di-adakan, Kementerian sekarang pun nampak-nya ada per untokan di-dalam ranchangan Lem baga Kemajuan Tanah Negeri hendak sekolah2 tetapi mengadakan tanggong- pokok yang utama ini jawab bagi pehak Kementerian untok memberi kapada semua anak di-dalam negeri ini dengan tidak mengira dia di-dalam atau di- bawah ranchangan mana atau di-mana yang mereka itu berada.
Jadi, patut-lah pehak Menteri Yang Berhormat itu dapat mengambil perhatian di-dalam perkara ran di-mana changan sahaja kawasan tanah di-buka dalam negeri ini.
ini berkenaan dengan pelajaran sekolah rendah ia-lah akan itu, itu tempat2 Yang kedua, berkenaan dengan pechahan kepala 3 ranchangan Seko lah Menengah mengikut apa yang telah di-terangkan oleh Menteri Yang Berhormat tadi bahawa dalam ber- puloh2 Sekolah Menengah hanya ada 12 buah sahaja Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan, bagaimana itu di-negeri Kelantan bertuah mendapat satu daripada-nya di-Padang Garong.
Saya sa-lain daripada menguchapkan terima kaseh mengadakan Sekolah Menengah itu maka saya suka menya takan bahawa dalam berpuloh2 itu ternyata 12 buah sahaja ranchangan Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan itu, sangat-lah tidak adil dan tidak muna- sabah, sebab di-dalam usaha menuju kapada ketinggian bahasa Kebangsaan itu, dalam usaha hendak menjadikan bahasa Kebangsaan satu bahasa yang tunggal maka patut-lah pehak Kemen ini menambah dan melipat- terian lagi project2 mendirikan gandakan Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan dalam tiba satu ini sa-hingga akan negeri masa yang lagi Sekolah tidak ada Menengah, melainkan Sekolah Mene ngah Kebangsaan.
Sebab ini-lah arah dan tujuan menyatakan harus di-tuju oleh ra'ayat di-dalam negeri ini.

Yang tahun ketiga semua pelajaran berkenaan ranchangan dengan pechahan kepala 11 Yang Berhormat Menteri telah menyatakan tadi kalau hendak di-selesaikan sa-kali sekolah ra'ayat yang ada dalam ne geri Kelantan, Kedah dan Trengganu, akan menelan belanja lebeh daripada 5 juta ringgit, sedangkan peruntokan ini sa-banyak $638,000 pada sahaja.
Kata-nya kalau sa-kira-nya hendak menyelesaikan dan menyiap- kan semua sekolah2 ra'ayat supaya kedudokan-nya sa-bagai sekolah ren dah kebangsaan seluroh-nya maka akan menghalangkan project2 pelaja ran yang lain.

Saya suka menyatakan dalam Rumah ini, Tuan Pengerusi, menghalang project2 yang lain tidak- lah berbangkit dalam masaalah itu.
Sebab sekolah ra'ayat itu juga meru- pakan yang sangat2 di-kehendaki oleh kita semua, dengan ada-nya sekolah2 ra'ayat itu, Tuan Pengerusi, erti-nya tanggong- jawab pehak Menteri untok mendiri kan itu sudah kurang.

Ma'ana-nya jika di- tempat itu tidak ada sekolah ra'ayat maka terpaksa-lah pehak Kementerian ini mendirikan sekolah itu di-tempat itu, sebab ra'ayat2 atau murid itu jauh hendak pergi belajar di-sbkolah ke bangsaan yang sedia ada.
Jadi, satu daripada rahmat yang dengan chara telah menimpakan ka tidak sengaja pada Kementerian ini rahmat baik.
Jadi, kalau sa-kira-nya pehak Kemen terian ini dapat menumpukan perha tian yang berat di-dalam ranchangan membaiki bangunan2 baharu untok sekolah ra'ayat dan menerima sekolah itu sa-bagai sekolah kebangsaan, saya perchaya ini ada-lah satu langkah yang sa-habis2 bijak sa-hingga tidak ada dalam negeri ini sekolah rendah se karang ini yang di-tanggong oleh ra'ayat, melainkan sekolah yang men- itu jadi tanggong-jawab Kementerian rendah di-tempat sekolah 4951 11 JANUARY 1964 4952 lengkap baharu-lah sendiri, kerja Kementerian kita itu dan baharu-lah sempurna kerja2 Kementerian ini sa- bagai sa-buah Kementerian yang ber- tanggong-jawab bagi pelajaran anak2 negeri ini dan sa-terus-nya.
It this is my hope Enche' Yong Nyuk Lin (Singapore): Mr Chairman, Sir, as is my maiden speech, may I be permitted to preface my remarks by saying that I regard it as an honour and privilege to be a Member of this august body, the House of Representatives of Malaysia.

that my Party—the Peoples' Action Party— and I. will be able to make a positive contribution towards the betterment of the welfare of all our people in Malaysia.
I can assure you, Sir, that I do not intend to launch into an election speech—fortunately, for us in Singa pore, the elections are over and we are down to hard work and less talk— more action and less words.

It is also a pleasant change for me, Sir, to sit on the House—the Opposition side.

Of course, as part of the Opposition in this House, I feel there is a role for responsible that Opposition in our democracy—our parliamentary democracy, which we must defend to the bitter end.
side of this it Having been associated with edu cation for some years, I would like to make some comments on Head 122 for which an allocation of $55,000,000 has this been made for 1964.

Although sum shows an increase over what had actually been spent on education, in the development of education, over each of the last three years (1961 to is my considered opinion 1963), that we are not doing enough where education is concerned.

What worries me, Sir, is the change in the emphasis for education.
I gather, reading the in my hands, that there has reports been a revision to the Second Five- Year Plan (1961/1965), which has brought about a one-third reduction in the allocation of funds for edu it as cational development.

I regard being an unfortunate retrograde step for Malaysia, if to be a revision to the Second Five-Year Plan because, perhaps, there has been only 61 per cent achievement of the original there has Five-Year Plan during the past three years on non-security expenditure.
If I may have your permission, Sir, I will quote that this interesting document was tabled two days ago, the Interim Review Report on the Second Five- Year Development Plan, Command Paper No.

1 of 1964.

I quote para graph 40, page 24— "The pace of development activity has varied a good deal from one Federal Ministry to another, in accordance with the different tasks assigned.

Table 7 shows the record to date.


Total non-security expenditures in three years come to 61% of the original 5-year target but only 54% of the revised target."

I say.

Sir, that if there is to be a revision, then the least that could have been done would have been to leave education alone at $260 million or 12.4 per cent of total target.
that The Second Five-Year Development Plan as originally devised was well thought out, in that 71 per cent was allocated for economic development and 24 per cent for social develop the Treasury from ment—I quote Memorandum on the Development Estimates for 1964, Command Paper No.

49 of 1963, paragraph 8, page 3.


The second column shows the the Second Five- target for revised Year Plan will bring about a reduction of about 3 per cent for social develop ment, from 24 per cent to 21 per cent, and an increase for Government from the original 4.5 per cent to 7.7 per cent.

remains un Economic development disturbed at 71 per cent.

It is my humble view, Sir, that there should be no change at all.
Social develop ment should remain at 24 per cent and Government expenditure should remain at 4.5 per cent.

But, unfortunately, the 1964 Development Estimates in social development will be reduced from the original target of 24 per cent to 20.1 per cent and government expenditure raised from 4.5 per cent to 7.9 per cent.

Sad to say, Sir, education takes the biggest knock of all.
I refer again to the Interim Report, page 23, top of the page, Table 5, for edu target was $260 cation million, which amounts to 12.4 per cent of the total.

The revised target brings it down to $231 million, and the original 4953 11 JANUARY 1964 4954 to to the says some the same seems I table—(a)—which the percentage of the total to 9 per cent.

There is a note at the bottom of this that Federal estimates have been revised as of 13th November, 1963.
I mention this revision date, because according to Command Paper No.

46 of 1963, which today, Head 122 we are discussing to a sum of $227.7 million.

refers slight to be There discrepancy.

figure of think $227.7 million was modified—I think the words "revised" and "modified" probably mean thing.

At Table 7 there is a date—25th October, 1963.

However, I hope the difference of $3.7 million will accrue the advantage of my Honourable friend the Minister of Education.
Although technically I should refer to this figure of $227.7 million because the figure appears in Command Paper No.

46 of 1963 under debate, may I be permitted with your permission, Sir, to refer to the higher figure of $231 million, as I intend the to refer more often Interim Review Report, which I had through to the opportunity before standing up to speak, unlike my Honourable friend the Member for Tanjong, who spoke first without giving himself the Interim Review Report on Thursday.
Whilst I agree with him in principle to the fact that reports should be tabled at the House a few days before they are being used as a subject for debate, I feel that the Member for Tanjong is not quite justified in his protest over this Interim Report, because when Command Paper No.

46 of 1963 refer ring to the 1964 Development Esti the mates was accompanying Treasury Memorandum on this matter, which comes under Command Paper No.

49 of 1963.
49 of 1963.

If you turn the to page 2, paragraph 5, Government had indicated that there would be a review of the Second Five- Year Plan and it was hoped to table a report on the current that during meeting of the Dewan Ra'ayat.

So it is not something that came as a surprise to members.

Now, Sir, why do I say that educational development should at least, revert back to the original target of $260 million or 12.4 per cent of the Interim that total?
1 know the opportunity there was to read tabled, read in for funds allocated it failed Report, page 20, middle of paragraph 36, there is a statement to the effect that education calls for an investment is nearly 4 of $231 million, which times as much as during the First Plan.

I say that the First Plan is no criterion, because to give education the importance it deserves as being an essential part of economic development of a new country like ours.
I am not unaware that during the last three years, 1961 to 1963, despite education, the actual achievement was only 47.2 per cent of original target and 53.9 per cent of revised target—I refer to Table 7 on page 26 of the Interim Report.

Why then ask for a higher allocation for education when it is unable to utilise one-half of its allocation?

My answer is that we must have a yardstick where priority for funds is concerned.
To my mind, after food, shelter, and clothing—the basic for life—the Government rightly puts first in order of priority, by allocating 71 per economic funds development, the wherewithal to create more job opportunities and therefore of employment for our people.

Once the basic human needs have been achieved, then the next important thing is edu cation.

Money expended on education is an investment, an economic invest ment, to provide better trained men for future generations.
I, therefore, make a strong plea that in the revision of the Second Five-Year Development Plan, education should not be allowed to suffer.

If at all, I would even suggest an improvement to the original plan.

I say invest more in education for our people.

$55 million for development in education is not enough.

necessities cent of for In conclusion, may I use a quotation from the Interim Report again.
Page 62, first sentence of paragraph 104, "In sum, Malaya has made great pro gress during the first part of its Second Five-Year Plan, but much remains to be done."

May I take the liberty of the paraphrasing sentence to read: Much remains to be done for education, especially the more expensive and technical education in Malaysia, which includes Singapore, because we have type of vocational last part of the 4955 11 JANUARY 1964 4956 barely scratched the surface in regard to this aspect of education.
Enche' Tan Siew Sin: The last speaker who spoke on this subject, I think, has given the impression that the Government is not sufficiently aware of importance of educa the overriding tion even in an economic development plan.

I think the record of the Govern ment not only in the current year but since it came to office eight years ago, is ample evidence that education has been given top priority.
As I have mentioned in previous speeches, Sir, it is well to remember that in 1955 we spent something of the order of $85 million—I am speaking, of course, from memory and I am subject to correction, but I think that figure is approximately correct—we spent something of the order of $85 million in 1955 on education.

That year, as Honourable Members will remember, was the year of the Federa tion of Malaya's first General Election.
Next year we will be spending some thing of the order of $250 million, that is very roughly three times what we spent eight short years ago.

That fact and those figures, I think, demonstrate all too convincingly that we have set very great store on education, and we agree with the Honourable Member from Singapore who spoke just now that investment in education, in fact, can be considered an economic invest ment.
that indicates The Honourable Member bases his charge, that we have not given suffi cient importance to the needs of edu cation, on the fact that the Treasury Memorandum the allocation to the social sector has been cut back from 24% in the original Plan to< 20% as a result of the revised Estimates, but later on, in the course of his speech, he has answered this him self.
He himself is fully aware that, although we have allocated certain amounts to education, we have, in fact, in every year, both from the Ordinary and from the Capital Budget, been able to spend far less than what we hoped to spend—that is the real answer to his charge.

Although on paper it might appear that we are cutting back, in practice we have got to be realistic and that is the reason why the figures have been scaled down.
In other words, we have taken a realistic view and scaled down the figures allocated for educa tion, not because we do not want to spend that much on education, but because the Department concerned has not been able to spend the amount allocated owing to the shortage of teachers, shortage of building capacity, and so on.

That is the real reason why we have had to take, as I said, a realistic view and only allocate what can probably be spent within the limitations of contractual and staff capacity.
The Honourable Member also referred to the need of greater emphasis being laid on technical and vocational training.
That is precisely what the Government has done, and I think the Honourable Member may know that the Government has set up, or intends to institute, a crash programme with the idea of giving technical training to as many pupils as possible and as rapidly as possible, so that those who had to leave primary school at the age of 12 years or thereabouts and who have not been able to gain admission to secondary schools, will be able to earn a livelihood in their adult years as a result of this technical training which the Government hopes to be able to give them.
that that education Sir, what I have said just now, does the Government demonstrate is very im realises portant.

Another the emphasis we place on education, is the fact that education even now, in spite of Indonesian confrontation, takes the biggest share of the Budget—that is a fact and that record speaks for itself.

indication of Enche' Liu Yoong Peng (Rawang): Mr Chairman, Sir, I would like to say a few words in regard to the allocation for the Ministry of Education.
First of all, I want to touch on Head 122, Sub-head 2, Secondary Continua tion Schools Programme.

I think the Minister of Education has already the present secondary realised continuation is not system school satisfactory, and he has said that there is a Committee to study the question that 4957 11 JANUARY 1964 4958 under type or of a change.
In fact, the other day the Minister of Labour too pointed out that there should be a more compre hensive vocational technical type of secondary training to replace this continuation type of school.

There fore, I fail to understand why such a sum of money—$4,961,000—is big allocated Sub-head.

Although we know that schools can be used for various purposes, certainly schools of vocational or technical nature require special arrangements and special designs.
If more schools of this type will be needed in future, then I do not see why we should spend so much money on the type of school which is going to be discontinued—not continuation schools schools which are going to be discontinued.

this but Another thing I want to raise is in to Sub-head 3, Secondary regard Schools Programme.

Here, I have only a small suggestion to make.


You find now in Malaya, unlike in Singapore, that the school buildings are generally utilised for a particular type of medium of instruction: one school as an English School, another as a Chinese Middle School and another as a National School and so forth.

if But this is the policy of the Government, we will find that those students from the rural areas and from the small towns would have to go to the big towns in order to get this type the of education.
Therefore, I think Minister can do well to consider that in places where a town is not too big, type of building should be built a where there can be a number of streams in the school.

The school can then have classes in Chinese, in Malay, and also in Tamil, depending on the requirements of the students and their parents.
In this way, it would be easier to build a school instead of having to break it up into so many towns where it is difficult to have too many facilities, one school of this type can serve all these purposes, especially in such things as science laboratories and physical training facilities.

They can all share the same equipment instead of splitting them up.

I think the policy should be to have schools, especially in English, In small streams.
residence of secondary schools, situated as near to the as students the is adopted, this policy possible.

If then more schools can be built in the smaller towns.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan bin Sakhawat Ali Khan: Tuan Pengerusi, dalam perbahathan ini boleh di-kata- kan kebanyakan Ahli2 Yang Berhor- mat telah banyak menyentoh perkara2 yang sama saperti Hostel, Sekolah Ra'ayat, Rumah Guru dan sa-bagai- nya, dan saya akan jawab di-atas per kara itu bagi kesemua-nya dengan sa- kali gus.
ada Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pasir Puteh ada bertanya ada-kah Rancha- ngan Pembangunan Sekolah F.L.D.A.

sahaja ia-itu Kepala 122, Butiran 1— Sekolah Rendah bagi Ranchangan F.L.D.A., ada-lah demikian di-bahagi- kan kemudahan pentadbiran.

Pem- benaan sekolah bagi kawasan rancha ngan2 tanah lain termasok ranchangan negeri memang ada di-masokkan di- ia-itu sekolah2 dalam Sub-head (ii) lain daripada sekolah2 F.L.D.A.

di- mana sa-banyak peruntokan $4,961,000 di-kawal terus oleh Kemen terian saya.
Untok menambah sekolah2 menengah, memang tujuan Kerajaan dan Kementerian saya ada-lah bagi menambah boleh mengikut keadaan kebolehan bagi menggantikan sekolah2 ra'ayat dan sa- bagai-nya.

Sa-bagaimana telah katakan tadi banyak juga Ahli2 Yang Berhormat telah berchakap di-atas perkara ini.
Perkara ini memang-lah semua-nya Kementerian saya sedar di- atas perkara2 ini patut di-tambah dan patut di-perbaiki lagi akan semua ini, kesulitan2 ini ada-lah dalam pandangan saya Kementerian telah saya dan ranchangan2 terangkan satu persatu Kementerian saya bagi satu2 Kepala di- bawah perkara2 yang telah di-sebutkan tadi.

Bagaimana pun sa-berapa daya upaya dapat di-jalankan kita akan lagi kerja2 yang sa- menambahkan umpama itu dari satu masa ka-satu masa.
sa-berapa yang saya Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Jelebu- Jempol hendak tahu ada-kah rumah2 guru akan di-tubohkan di-Sungai Lui.

Jawab-nya rumah guru tidak di-dirikan di-Sungai Lui di-dalam tahun 1964 ini.

4959 11 JANUARY 1964 4960 Chadangan Yang Berhormat itu akan di-ambil ingatan oleh Kementerian ini.

Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Temerloh minta supaya di-adakan hostel di- satu2 kawasan di-Chenor dan Temerloh.
Pembenaan hostel itu bergantong-lah kapada keadaan sa-suatu kawasan itu dan Kementerian saya ada-lah me- ngator-nya mengikut sa-berapa yang boleh sa-telah menengok keadaan sa- suatu tempat itu.

telah Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Melaka Utara berkenaan berchakap dengan tambahan bilek darjah Sekolah Kebangsaan di-Durian Daun, Masjid Tanah.

Saya suka hendak menyatakan ia-itu dua bilek darjah akan di-bena dalam tahun 1964 ini.
Dan beliau ini juga mendatangkan pandangan ia-itu guru2 bahasa Kebangsaan hendak-lah daripada bangsa Melayu.

Ini sa-berapa boleh memang-lah dasar kita dan tujuan untok mengajar bahasa Ke bangsaan itu tetapi ada masa2-nya ia- itu di-ambil dari sekolah2 China.

Jadi sa-bagaimana kita sekarang ada me- lateh guru2 di-D.T.C.

supaya mereka dapat mengajar bahasa Melayu sa- bagai bahasa yang kedua dan mereka ini selalu-nya dapat kita letakkan di- sekolah2 China.
Berkenaan dengan asrama supaya yang sedia ada itu di-besarkan.

Soal membesarkan asrama2 akan di-tim- tetapi kehendak2 murid di- bangkan kawasan2 yang tiada asrama itu patut di-beri pertimbangan yang pertama dahulu.

apabila Berkenaan dengan padang permainan yang telah di-chakapkan oleh beberapa orang Ahli2 Yang Berhormat.

Ke menterian saya memang-lah sedar ia- itu padang permainan boleh di-adakan bersama2 kita membena sekolah2 baharu.
Akan tetapi keadaan kewangan ada-lah juga kerja2 yang dapat di-lakukan itu ada- lah terhad.

Jadi sudah tentu-lah kita membuat satu keutamaan sama ada itu hendak di- padang permainan utamakan atau bangunan untok budak2 belajar.

Jadi ini-lah sebab-nya di-sa- tengah2 kita mengadakan bangunan itu dahulu dan juga di-sa- tengah2 tempat tidak dapat di-adakan padang permainan oleh kerana boleh terhad dan tempat jadi macham di-sebelah Kedah tempat itu paya dan sa-bagai-nya, jadi susah padang sadikit permainan itu.
Bagaimana pun tempat anak2 berehat dan sa-bagai-nya ada- lah di-kelolakan.

di-adakan hendak Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Bachok mendatangkan pandangan ia-itu me- nukarkan chorak University kapada konsep Kebangsaan.

Tuan Pengerusi, memang ini-lah matalamat yang kita tuju dan memang matalamat Kerajaan sedemikian.

Dengan kerjasama yang sa-wajar-nya dari pehak yang berkuasa di-University, kita berharap tujuan ini dapat di-chapai pada masa yang sa- singkat2-nya.
Berkenaan dengan rumah guru di- ulu2 dan sa-bagai-nya memang-lah kita hendak mengadakan-nya dengan sa- berapa banyak, tetapi ini semua-nya terhad oleh kerana wang ada-lah dan "capacity ia-itu ke- bolehan untok mengadakan-nya, itu-lah sebab-nya pada masa saya berchakap menjawab estimate hari ini, kalau saya ada tongkat hikmat, alhamdulillah-lah, tetapi tidak ada.
for work" Pembangunan Yang Berhormat dari Temerloh ada membangkitkan satu perkara ia-itu Ke menterian patut-lah berunding dengan Luar Jawatan-kuasa sekolah2 Bandar Negeri berkenaan dalam satu2 tempat yang patut di-bena.
Ini, Tuan Pengerusi, semua-nya Ketua Pegawai Pelajaran dalam satu2 negeri di-dalam itu Jawatan-kuasa itu, dan sudah tentu-lah sama2 dia dapat mengeluarkan pan dangan mendengar apa2 juga Jawatan- kuasa yang lain itu hendak berchakap satu2 masa pada masa meranchangkan berkenaan dengan sekolah2.

ia-lah menjadi ahli in The Honourable Member for Sebe- rang Selatan has made mention of the allocation of discrimination capital grants to Chinese and Tamil schools.
Sir, I should like to explain that the Government does not discri minate between schools; and neither does it discriminate between types of schools, as the Honourable Member seems to think.

Whatever the difference there the present payment of grants, it is between former Govern ment schools and what constitutes to be non-former Government schools.
is in 4961 11 JANUARY 1964 4962 This difference is necessary because of the ownership of school building, land, and also security of tenure in the use of such building.

In regard to these schools, which were formerly private or partially-assisted schools, the land and building belong to the school and, therefore, there is a difference between these two types of schools.
Now, if these non-former Government schools fulfil certain requirements as regards to security of tenure in the use of land and building, then a fair and equitable amount of capital grant would then be paid.

This matter is under consi deration, and I assure the Honourable Member that we do not unnecessarily types of discriminate between schools.
these In regard to the secondary continua tion school course, now at present the course is for two years, but considera tion will be given to the problem raised by the Honourable Member regarding a third year, or its announcement, for the secondary continuation school, and I hope to be able to do this very soon.

its best The Member for Pulau Pinang Utara requested the training of more National language teachers.
Sir, as many times indicated by me in this House and in public, my Ministry will continue to do to overcome all short comings in the teaching of school sub jects, including the National language.

The Honourable Member will certainly agree that much improvement in the National language teaching and staffing have been achieved.
the problem of my Ministry this year is the difficulty of posting a number of Day Training College Chinese unit teachers, in trained who are especially the National insuffi language—there are cient places to put them in.

Whatever the problem regarding staffing, I can assure the House that my Ministry will do its best.

fact, In Yang Berhormat dari Kuala Kang- sar telah membangkitkan soal sains kelas bagi Clifford School, di-Kuala Kangsar.
Tuan Pengerusi, Kementerian saya sangat-lah sedar akan kekurangan orang Melayu dalam lapangan sains di-kelas2 untok mengatasi soal ini dan telah pun di-timbangkan dan permo- itu ada-lah honan Yang Berhormat sedang dalam timbangan saya, pendek kata saya ada surat-nya dan pada suatu masa Jawatan-kuasa sekolah itu hendak datang berjumpa dengan saya di-Kementerian, tetapi malang-nya dia tidak datang pada hari itu, saya juga tidak tahu apa sebab-nya, agak saya hendak membinchangkan berkenaan dengan sains kelas itu-lah.
Bagaimana pun saya fikir ada dalam pertimbangan saya.

Dan bagi perkara2 yang lain saya ingat tidak payah-lah saya menjawab- nya.

Question put, and agreed to.

The sums of $55,000,000 for Head 122 under Column 9, $5,002,232 for Head 161 under column 8, $6,551,011 for Head 184 under column 8 and $600,000 under column 9 agreed to stand part of the Development Estimates, 1964.
Heads 123, 162 and 185— 162 The Minister of Health (Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib): Mr Chairman, Sir, with your permission, I would like to present Head 123 totalling totalling $33,070,729, Head $1,828,215 and Head 185 totalling $3,921,405 of the Development Esti mates 1964 for Malaya, and the States of Sabah and Sarawak respectively making a total of $38,820,349, which represents the 1964 estimated expendi ture of the Second Five-Year Develop ment Plan of my Ministry.
the I will first of all deal with Medical and Health Services in Malaya.

Before going into the details of the provisions for 1964, I would touch briefly on the progress made to-date in the Develop the ment Plan in 1963 and in the previous years.

implementation of the end of 1963 The total provision for my Ministry for expenditure in 1963 was $23,966,344.

As against this, the actual expenditure estimated by is $22,753,464.
However, in the expendi the sum provided, certain ture of the changes had details as shown in the 1963 Develop ment Estimates.

Whereas, for example, only a total of $4,722,000 was provided in 1963 for projects under the Rural Health Scheme, it was found necessary, to during to be effected the course of the year, in 4963 11 JANUARY 1964 4964 increase this provision both by vire- ment and by supplementary provision to a total of $7.3 million in order to meet the total expenditure under this Sub-head in 1963.
I am happy to inform this House that the implementation of the Rural Health Scheme continues to make steady progress.

Of the 37 Main Health Centres, 148 Sub-Health Centres and 652 Midwives Clinics-cum-quarters, which formed the target for the Second Five-Year Development Plan, 27 Main Health Centres, 89 Sub-Health Centres and 406 Midwives Clinics-cum-quarters have now been completed.
With the completion, by the end of June this year, of the ground, and taking into account the projects constructed in the first Deve lopment Plan, there will be a total of 37 Main Health Centres, 104 Sub- Health Centres and 531 Midwives Clinics-cum-quarters.

the projects now on increased The provision of $3,500,000 to meet the cost of improvements to hospitals to in 1963, was similarly $4 million during the course of the year.
Improved facilities by way of new wards, renovations, extensions or to out-patients depart replacements theatres, maternity ments, operating wards, sanitary the scores of other ancillary facilities, had during the year to be provided in order to meet the ever increasing demand for our modern medical expanding population.
installation, and facilities of In the endeavour to solve the basic the problem of shortage of doctors last in January taken decision was year, to give priority to the Teaching Hospital project.
In order that the new Teaching Hospital will be ready to the beginning of 1966 provide at among facilities, necessary students the batch of others, tight recruited programme of construction of the Hospital was drawn up and a supple mentary provision of $750,000 was obtained to meet necessary cost of the project in 1963. last year, a in May clinical for The implementation of the Training projects of my Ministry continued to be vigorously carried out during 1963 and a sum of approximately $2.6 million would have been spent by the end of 1963 on the construction of training schools and hostels for the accommodation of trainees.
As in 1962 arrangements were continued in 1963 to train essential personnel abroad.

and training programme, Coming to the provisions for 1964, I would like to refer first of all to the revised total overall provision for my Ministry for the five-year period of the Second Five-Year Development Plan, which stands at $139,400,000.

It is to be noted that this reduction in overall provision leaves practically unaffected the provision for Rural Health projects, the the Tuberculosis Control Programme.
On the other hand there is an increase of $3 million in the provision for Rural and District hospitals, namely $500,000 and $2.5 million respectively for the Tanjong Karang and Kulim hospitals.

As I have stated earlier, priority has to be given to the Teaching Hospital project.

At the same time the high priority accorded to the Rural Health the District Hospital Scheme and projects must nonetheless continue unaffected.
Since my Ministry, parti cularly to exercise economy in expenditure, has the ceiling already to work within approved, to stagger the period of implementation of the Kuala Lumpur and Klang General Hospital projects.

This course the of action is well justified since completion of the Teaching Hospital with its 800 beds, in the early part of 1966, will mean that much of the load will be taken away from these two hospitals.
Nonetheless, the new Kuala Lumpur and Klang General Hospital projects remain on the programme but implementation is rephased for comple tion only after 1965. it becomes necessary in the light of the need I would invite the special attention of this House to Sub-head 218 (i), Rural Health Scheme, which contains a pro vision of $7 million in 1964.
This provision is required to meet the cost of completing four main Health Centres, seven Sub-Health Centres and 100 Midwives Clinics-cum-quarters now on the ground, and also the cost in 1964 of two main new projects comprising centres, 41 sub-health centres and 150 4965 11 JANUARY 1964 4966 midwives clinics.

The two main centres and the 41 sub-health centres will, however, be completed only next year.
Under Sub-heads 220 (v), (vi), (vii) and (viii), provisions totalling $3,700,000 are requested for the Rural Hospitals at Tanjong Karang, Changkat Melintang, and Dungun and for a new District Hospital at Kulim.

This is in implemen tation of the policy of affording, as far and as quickly as possible, ever increas ing and improving medical facilities to the rural areas.

to for that improvements "Improvements Similarly, a sum of $5,500,000 is included to Hospitals."
As I have said earlier, it is essential the facilities in the existing hospitals be continued in order to meet the increas ing needs of our population, particularly those in the rural areas, since with the integration of the Rural Health Scheme and the Hospital Services, the call on our hospitals will continue to increase rapidly.

It is to be noted that the total estimated expenditure 1961-65 for the General Hospital, Kuala Lumpur, and the General Hospital, Klang, has been considerably reduced.
As I have stated earlier, the rephasing of these projects has been made necessary by the need to provide the sum of $22 million required up to the end of 1965 for the Teaching Hospital, for which a total expenditure of $7,500,000 is estimated in 1964, in addition to the $2.5 million for the new District Hospital, Kulim.
It is also to be noted that urgent priority has been accorded to the implementa tion of the Seremban General Hospital project, capable of accommodating about 600 beds, for which $2 million is requested for 1964.

An estimated total of $15,541,409 to complete is envisaged in 1965 and 1966.

The training programme of my Ministry will continue to be given due emphasis and a total provision of $2,964,899 is requested under Sub-head 214 for the purpose.
Of special interest is the provision of $600,000 this year for the Public Health Institute, work on which started in November, last year.

The completion of this project at the end of this year will enhance the training of para-Medical personnel, in specially orientated preventive health, in the rural areas.

service for Another item worthy of note is the $1,500,000 for the Tuberculosis Control Programme under Sub-head 221.
It is essential that the measures being taken to contain, control and ultimately tuberculosis, as a public eliminate health problem, be as vigorously as ever.

continued Under Sub-head 20 a provision of $400,000 is requested for the Govern ment Pharmaceutical Laboratory and Central Store at Petaling Jaya, due for completion next month.
The bulk manufacture at the new Laboratory of Pharmaceutical preparations which, up to the present, have to be purchased from abroad will bring a saving of approximately $500,000 per annum to Government.

Sir, I will not go into the details of the remaining provisions for which comparatively small amounts have been requested for 1964.
I would merely state that the various provisions asked for are invariably to enable the continued implementation of the projects already on the ground and/or for the further expansion and improvement of the various services connected therewith.

Coming totalling to Head 162, $1,828,215 for the State of Sabah, I would first of all state that in common with other States the expansion and development of Rural Health Services is being given priority.
in Malaysia In Sabah, two general there are hospitals, 6 cottage hospitals and one mental hospital, together providing 1,323 beds and 12 dispensaries with 186 beds, for less serious cases.

There are also 18 static dispensaries, six travelling dispensaries and two urban health centres.

In addition, some religious missions and voluntary bodies also maintain medical facilities, and there are dispensaries or small hospitals at 49 places of employment.
Maternity and child welfare services are provided at the urban health centres at Jesselton and Sandakan, and at 46 clinics throughout the country.

4967 11 JANUARY 1964 4968 A Malaria Control project.

sponsored jointly by Government, the Wodd Health Organisation and the United Nations Children's Fund was launched in 1955.

The progress made is most satisfactory.

Under Sub-head 1, a sum of $1,800,000 is requested for the Tawau Hospital.
This is to meet the cost of a new hospital since, with the rapid increase of population in this agricul tural centre.

the present hospital.

which is in poor condition, is inadequate in size to provide the necessary services.

while the present site does not allow for expansion.

The implementation of the project will be in three stages ultimately to provide 600 beds.
Stage one provides for 114 beds in a multi-storied block, which will also contain the out-patients department, operating theatre, kitchen and administrative buildings for the full hospital.

Stage two provides for a further 148 beds.

It is proposed to proceed with the construction of stages one and two together at a total cost of $3,214,000 of which $2,892,600 will be contributed by the Central Govern ment.

Preliminary work financed from local funds has in fact started.
A provision of $28,215 is requested under Item (2), Tuberculosis Control Programme .. A campaign for preventive treatment against Tuberculosis, was started in 1949, financed partly from Colonial Development and Welfare Funds, with assistance from Colombo Plan countries.

The amount now the cost of requested to meet construction of quarters staff in Tuberculosis prevention engaged work.

for is fore, not attempt to repeat what I have already said.
I will, however, state that whilst provision is made under the Development Plan for the new Sarawak General Hospital at Kuching, the main emphasis will be on the further exten sion of the Medical and Health Services in the rural areas.

Under Sub-head 1, a provision of $373,133 is requested for the Malarial Eradication Project for 1964.

This is a continuation project which will be extended up total estimated cost over the period of the Development Plan, 1964 to 1968. is $1,106,000.

to 1968.
to 1968.

The A total expenditure of $740,000 over the period 1964-1968 is envisaged for the Tuberculosis Control Project, of which $238,030 is required in 1964.

In the main, this is to enable expansion of the project to the more remote areas.

Under Sub-head 3, Rural Health Improvement a total expenditure of $657,000 is envisaged for the period 1964 to 1968 of which $104,600 is required in 1964.

The amount requested is primarily training of personnel from rural areas for work on environmental sanitation.
the for A sum of $379,217 is requested in 1964 for the School Dental Service on which a total expenditure of $765,000 is envisaged over the five years 1964 to 1968.

The provision of $589,000 requested under Sub-head 5, is to meet the cost in 1964 of new rural treatment centres and the completion of some existing projects.

The total estimated require ment during is 1964 $2,124,000.

1968 to No provision is requested in 1964 under item (3), Construction of T.B.
Wards, Sandakan, but an estimate of $16,734 is included being requirement up to the end of the period, 31st December, 1965.

Under Head 185 (Sarawak), a provi sion of $3,921,405 is requested for 1964 for Sarawak.

I have.

in some consider able details, described the development of the Medical and Health services in Sarawak, when I addressed this House on the Supply Bill, 1964.
I will, there- Under Sub-head 6, Mental Health Units, $100,000 is required for expendi ture in 1964 as part of the cost of establishment of two units in Sibu and Miri, expected total of $150,000.

to cost a Planning of a new General Hospital at Kuching began in 1962.

Construction will be in two stages.


The first stage is to provide approximately 300 beds, casualty reception, and basic ancillary the second stage, a services, and further 270 beds together with a 4969 11 JANUARY 1964 4970 training school and a laboratory.

The total cost is estimated at $13,500.000 of which $2 million is required in 1964.

Sub-heads 8, 9, 10 and 12 expected to cost a total of $377,425 are self explanatory.

The total provision re quested in respect of these sub-heads in 1964 is $127,425.
is to meet requested Under Sub-head 11, a provision of the $10,000 expenditure in 1964 of mass health campaigns.

The total cost of $100,000 over the period 1964 to 1968 will include the continuation of work on leprosy, investigation of the problem of tracoma, and the initiation of work on nutrition.
the lack of in so far as Malaya In conclusion, I feel very happy to state, Sir, that the implementation of my Ministry's Development Pro gramme, particularly in the rural areas, has progressed very satisfactorily and definitely is concerned, will achieve, by the end of 1965, the target set in the Second Five-Year Development Plan.
We still have some problems, particularly those resulting from trained personnel, but the necessary foundation to solve them, by way of increased training institutions and facilities, has been laid.

I have no doubt, Sir, that the Development Plan of my Ministry, as part of Government's gigantic national development plan.
will con tinue to forge ahead smoothly and expeditiously, and thereby contribute its part of safeguarding and guarantee ing the health, an essential basis of prosperity and happiness, of our nation in the years to come.

(Applause).

Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan Pengerusi, saya hanya hendak berchakap dua perkara sahaja.

Yang pertama muka 20, sub-head 214 (ii) Student Nurses Training Schools and Hostels dan (v)-Miscellaneous Build ings and Hostels.

peruntokan sa-banyak $700,000 dan $300,000.


Saya berharap kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri Kesihatan supaya menguntokkan wang lebeh banyak lagi ia-itUi di-ambil wang daripada peruntokan Miscellaneous Buildings and Hostels untok di-jadikan perbelanjaan bagi Student Nurses Training Schools and Hostels.

Dasar Kerajaan nampak-nya suka menghantar Student Nurses ka-saberang laut.

Saya lebeh berpendapat bahawa ada-lah baik kalau kita hantar Trained Nurses sahaja ka-saberang laut daripada Student Nurses.
Adakan banyak tempat2 latehan bagi juru2rawat ia-itu Student Nurses di-Tanah Melayu ini.

Keadaan di-saberang laut ada-lah dengan keadaan di-sini, berbedza sebab Student Nurses ini mereka baharu sahaja berhenti daripada se kolah.

kemudian terus di-hantar ka England, Australia, atau New Zealand, sa-lama 3 tahun.

Apabila mereka itu balek di-dapati pelajaran2 itu ta' sasuai dengan adat istiadat kedudokan orang2 kampong yang tinggal di-Tanah Me layu ini.
Ada di-antara-nya yang saya lihat dan kita semua tahu bahawa juru2rawat ini ta' patut menghinakan orang2 kampong.

Ada di-antara Student Nurses yang balek daripada Eropah, atau pun daripada sa-berang laut itu, hendak pegang kain2 orang sakit pun bagini di-buat-nya (tunjok).

Ini kotor kata-nya; dia pegang bagitu sahaja.

Ini memang ta' baik.

Kalau sa-kira-nya mereka ini mendapat training, atau pun pelajaran di-sini, harus perkara ini ta' akan berlaku.
Sub-head 218 (i)-Rural Health Schemes sa-banyak peruntokan $7,000,000.

Saya percbaya tentu-lah peruntokan ini di-adakan untok klinik2, Pusat2 Kesihatan dan lain.

Jadi, saya berpendapat ada lebeh baik kaJau kita gunakan wang peruntokan ini untok membeli banyak lagi kereta2 ubat, kerana hari ini-saya ta' tabu di negeri2 lain--tetapi di-Pulau Pinang, hanya satu minggu sa-kali sabaja kereta ubat ini melawat ka-kampong2 dan ubat yang di-beri kapada orang2 sakit itu hanya untok tiga atau empat bari.
Apa akan jadi pada tiga atau Ini boleh empat hari di-katakan sa-bagai batok di-tepi tangga sahaja.

Jadi, kalau-lah kita adakan banyak lagi kereta2 ubat ini, maka dapat-Jah kereta2 ubat itu melawat sa-kurang2-nya 3 hari sa-kali, atau satu minggu dua kali.

Yang demikian dapat-lah orang2 sakit itu di-rawati oleb dresser, atau pun Hospital Assistant.

Dengan ada-nya bagini, Tuan Pengerusi, dapat-lah kita lagi itu.
4971 11 JANUARY 1964 4972 lagi orang2 menyelamatkan banyak kampong kita yang tinggal di-luar2 bandar daripada mendapat penyakit yang lebeh terok lagi, kerana kita tahu bagaimana yang di-uchapkan oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Kesihatan waktu membahathkan belanjawan ini mengatakan bahawa orang2 kampong ia-itu orang2 di-luar bandar kurang beranak dan banyak mati, tetapi orang2 yang tinggal di-dalam bandar pula, banyak beranak, kurang mati.
Jadi, di-kampong beranak kurang, banyak tetapi di-dalam bandar, yang mati; banyak beranak, kurang mati.

Ini menunjokkan yang kesihatan di-dalam bandar tinggi.

Maka dengan sebab itu-lah Kerajaan telah pun menguntokkan wang yang sa banyak $7 juta ini untok Rural Health Services.

Untok mengelakkan berlaku nya di-atas perkara ini, ada-lah lebeh lagi baik, saya kereta2 ubat ini.

Sekian.

rasa di-banyakkan itu memang Dr Burhanuddin bin Mohd.
Noor (Besot): Saya hendak berchakap sadi kit sahaja di-atas Pechahan Kepala 2 ia-itu berkenaan dengan Tuberculosis Control Programme.

Penyakit T.B.

ini sangat merbahaya dan saya rasa oleh sebab saya tahu banyak ra'ayat kita tahukan benchana penyakit ini tetapi kurang tahu sebab2 dia dapat penyakit itu.

Jadi saya mengeshorkan supaya tujuan daripada membelanjakan wang ini dapat jua di-keluarkan risalah2 yang menerangkan sebab2 penyakit ini dan chara2 mengelakkan supaya tidak da pat penyakit ini.
Bagitu juga berhubong dengan nutri tion-ha!

makanan dan sa-bagai-nya, dan banyak daripada perkara2 habit (chara hidup) yang saperti merokok dan sa-bagai-nya mendatangkan ben chana T.B.

ini.

Jadi dalam risalah itu dapat-lah di-terangkan dengan mudah untok orang2 ramai.

Ini-lah satu chara preventive yang mengurangkan belanja, kita dapat mengadakan satu tempat sahaja menunggu orang2 sakit itu da tang kemudian kita mudah control.
Jadi lebeh baik kita menchegah dengan chara preventive, dengan mengeluarkan risalah2 yang luas siaran-nya supaya pengetahuan itu di-ketahui oleh orang ramai dan dapat-lah mengelakkan ter kena daripada penyakit itu.

Yang kedua, Tuan Pengerusi, per kara ini juga saya sudah tiga tahun berturut ada membawa berkenaan de ngan ward T.B.

di-kawasan saya sen diri ia-itu di-Besut berchampor sahaja dengan ward penyakit1 lain dan sangat sempit pula.
Sudah di-nyatakan per kara ini tetapi harap-lah di-perhatikan supaya di-asingkan penyakit yang mer bahaya itu dengan ward yang tertentu.

J adi daripada peruntokan ini saya harap supaya dapat di-timbangkan dan di-buat ward T.B.

yang tcrtentu untok mengelakkan benchana itu menjangkit dan merebak, sa-kian.

Enche' Liu Yoong Peng (Rawang): Mr Chairman, Sir, I wish to speak under Sub-head 1, Rural Health Cen tres, and Sub-head 218, Rural Health Services.
I only wish ro point out a certain place-that is, Batu Arang.

At the moment, Sir, the Government has not set up a rural health centre there, and Batu Arang has a population of apptoximately 5,000 people.

There was a health clinic run by the Malayan Collieries Limited, but since they left the place about three years ago the Government has not taken any step to take over the service that was pro vided by the Malayan Collieries Limited.
Although Socfin Co., Ltd, which operates some rubber planta tions there, do provide a certain amount of clinical service, that service is only limited to its own employees about a few hundreds.

Therefore, the large majority of the population there are not able to get any local health attention whatsoever, and in times of emergency they will have to travel very long distances along rough routes, a stretch of three or four miles of mud roads full of holes, in order to go to the town to get treatment.
Therefore, there have been many complaints, in respect of especially complaints midwifery facilities, where an expectant mother finds it very difficult in an emergency to get proper care.

I hope the Minister will look into this matter and provide some health and midwifery facilities for Batu Arang in the very near future.
Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji Muda: Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak 4973 11 JANUARY 1964 4974 saya yang tidak dengan satu gerakan di-Kuala Lumpur berchakap berkenaan ran- changan mengawal penyakit batok kering.

Pada masa2 yang akhir ini pehak Jabatan Kesihatan telah melan- berbesaran2 charkan kerana me-X-raykan orang ramai untok mengetahui sama ada mereka mengidap penyakit T.B.

atau pun tidak.
atau pun tidak.

Sa- sudah di-lakukan ranchangan itu bila tanda2 yang menunjokkan di-dapati orang itu mengidap atau pun mulai di-serang oleh penyakit T.B.

maka orang itu di-panggil ka-Hospital untok di-X-ray sa-lanjut lagi, bila di-dapati sah ada maka mereka itu di-masokkan ka-dalam Hospital ward T.B.

Apa yang saya hendak chakapkan di-sini ia-lah memasokkan orang di-dalam ward T.B.
itu memang bagus tetapi pokok yang pertama sa-kali ia-lah siapa hen dak mengawal orang dan melayani orang itu dari segi penyakit T.B.

sen- perhatikan diri.

Apa boleh-lah saya katakan doctor pakar di-dalam penyakit T.B.

ini sangat-lah berkekurangan.

Saya tahu di- negeri sa-belah pantai barat atau di- ini Persekutuan tetapi apa yang berlaku di-Kelantan nyata-lah terang.

Seluroh negeri Kelan- tan sekarang ini tidak ada sa-orang pakar dalam penyakit T.B.

tetapi orang2 di-masokkan ka-dalam ward T.B.


pada masa akhir2 ini boleh di- katakan berlipat kali ganda bertambah daripada masa2 yang sudah daripada gerakan me-X-raykan orang ramai pegawai2 Kerajaan dan sa-bagai-nya baharu2 ini.

Sa-hingga berlaku satu kejadian baharu2 ini, Tuan Pengerusi, sa-orang sahabat saya sa-sudah di-X- ray dan di-dapati dia ada berpenyakit T.B.

permulaan ya'ani baharu dia di- serang oleh penyakit T.B., dia di-bawa berjumpa dengan doctor yang tidak pakar dalam perkara T.B.
kemudian tidak di-suroh-nya tinggal dalam ward tetapi di-beri ubat2 yang khas.

Di- antara ubat2 itu ada sa-jenis pill; saya tidak tahu apa nama-nya tablet warna- nya puteh besar di-suroh makan sa-banyak tiga biji sa-kali makan tiga kali sa-hari.

Hasil daripada makan pill itu dia telah pengsan dan tidak sedar- tua2 kata kan diri sampai orang macham hendak putus nyawa dan akhir-nya sa-kali di-bawa berjumpa dengan doctor di-Hospital akhir-nya tablet doctor yang menjaga ward T.B.
tetapi bukan pakar dalam T.B.

menasehatkan dia supaya dia ta'at memakan ubat itu.

Balek sa-mula ka-rumah makan malam itu terus dia tidak sedarkan diri lagi.

Bila di-jemput doctor yang ada di- ia-itu doctor tempat-nya memereksa Kerajaan juga, doctor itu memereksa- lah tablet2 yang telah di-berikan oleh doctor yang menjaga ward T.B.

itu, kemudian di-tanya berapa biji sa-kali makan, kata-nya tiga.
Dia pun mengge- lingkan kepala kata-nya, "kalau meng- ikut fahaman saya ini hanya sa-biji sahaja di-makan itu pun bagi orang yang terlalu kuat sangat sakit- nya".

Mengikut keterangan sa-orang yang pernah kena sakit dan di-rawat di-dalam ward T.B.

dia di-katakan makan hanya sa-tengah biji sahaja sa-kali makan.
Dan hasil daripada sakit yang bagitu terok dia terpaksa sakit ka- di-bawa Hospital dan di-rawat di-dalam ward biasa kerana sakit-nya akibat daripada makan ubat tadi, sa-hingga sampai hampir sa-minggu lebeh ya'ani hampir 10 hari dia di-rawat sa-bagai orang sakit biasa baharu-lah dia baik akibat daripada makan ubat tadi dan kemu dian daripada itu baharu-lah rawatan itu berjalan saperti orang biasa.
Saya cheritakan hal ini dalam Dewan ini, Tuan Pengerusi, ia-lah semata2 untok menyatakan betapa bahaya-nya tidak ada pakar di-dalam satu2 jenis pe nyakit.

dengan kereta tidak sa-ramai kalau Di-Kelantan, Tuan Pengerusi, saperti saya katakan tadi-lah tidak ada pakar dalam penyakit T.B.
Seluroh doctor yang salah ingatan saya ia-lah 10 orang ada sa- orang doctor pakar dalam penyakit mata, ada sa-orang pakar perkara belah, ada sa-orang perkara penyakit2 biasa, jadi tidak ada khas pakar atau specialist dalam perkara sakit T.B.

itu saya Jadi akibat yang demikian harap mudah2an tidak berlaku pada yang akan datang.

Saya perchaya pehak Menteri ini mesti-lah menguatkan tenaga-nya lagi supaya dapat menam- bah dan mengikhtiarkan lebeh pakar2 dalam penyakit T.B.
ini penyakit yang merbahaya, penyakit yang berjangkit, ini boleh di-katakan di-merata2 tempat ada ia-itu bukan sahaja di-bandar bah- kan di-merata kampong.

4975 11 JANUARY 1964 4976 sahaja tidak Hospital Satu perkara lagi yang hendak saya chakapkan dalam masaalah Hospital.

Hospital di-negeri Kelantan semua kita tahu ia-lah Hospital yang terbesar di- Kota Bharu dan yang kedua-nya ia-lah di-Kuala Kerai, sa-lain daripada itu ia-lah di-Pasir Mas.
Di-Pasir Mas itu baharu sekarang ada sa-orang doctor kalau tetapi doctor tidak ada.

Di-Kota Bharu pada keselurohan-nya bagus, apa yang bagus itu bertambah-nya orang sakit.

Katil2 terpaksa di-tambah kerana orang sakit.

Bagus-lah Kementerian ini dapat me- ngadakan katil2 sa-hingga oleh kerana banyak katil2 itu satu ward yang sa-patut-nya kata-lah ada 30 orang jadi 50 orang bersusun2.

Sudah-lah ber- susun2 tidak pula chukup kelengkapan.
Saya baharu sahaja sa-belum saya da- tang ka-meshuarat Dewan Ra'ayat yang terakhir ini saya telah pergi me- lawat ka-Hospital itu dan saya dapati sa-bahagian besar hampir sa-suku yang ada dalam satu2 ward ada-lah katil2, melimpah2 manusia yang sakit itu tidak ada kain chadar dan tidak ada sampol bantal.

Dan orang sakit terpaksa me- makai pakaian sendiri kerana tidak ada pakaian yang rasmi.

Bila saya tanya dengan doctor kata-nya tidak chukup.
Ini-lah nasib kami kata-nya barang2 tidak chukup dan dia menyu- arakan perkara ini supaya pehak Men- teri supaya sedar akan keadaan ini.

Boleh kita membanggakan bahawa Hospital itu besar, tempat tidor orang sakit di-tambah tetapi keadaan saperti berlaku Hospital yang besar di-Kota Bharu ini sangat-lah menyedehkan.

Kalau-lah tempat sakit kelas tiga, boleh di-katakan orang sakit ini ramai, kelas dua pun bagitu juga.
Kadang2 orang sakit kelas dua itu kalau penoh sangat terpaksa-lah di-bawa ka-kelas satu kadang2 di-undor ka-bawah ka-kelas tiga kerana tidak ada chukup—tidak ada sa-bagai-nya.

tidor dan Ini baharu soal alat2 belum lagi soal ubat2.

Walau pun dalam peruntokan ini ada dalam Kepala Kechil 181 per untokan sa-banyak $50,981 saya per- chaya peruntokan ia-lah kerana perkhidmatan perubatan dan alat2 belah sa-bagai-nya itu di-tambah sa-banyak $50,000 saya perchaya ini tidak men- chukupi.
Berdasarkan dengan penge- tempat ini tahuan yang saya saksikan dalam Hos itu nyata bukan pital di-Kelantan sahaja soal pakaian, tempat tidor tetapi ubat pun tidak chukup.

Ini-lah menye babkan keadaan orang sakit dan keadaan pentadbiran di-rumah sakit tidak bagitu terator oleh kerana ubat2 yang sa-wajar-nya tidak di-dapati dan oleh kerana peralatan yang kurang.

tetapi Sa-perkara lagi, Tuan Pengerusi, ia- lah masaalah perkhidmatan kesihatan di-luar bandar dan Pusat2 Kesihatan di-luar bandar.
Nampak-nya di-bawah ranchangan pembangunan, banyak-lah telah di-dirikan pusat2 kesihatan di- kampong2 atau pusat2 kampong telah di-dirikan dengan megah-nya sa-hing- gakan pelawat2 dari luar negeri datang melawat di-tempat itu terasa benar-lah perubahan kerana bangunan itu ada.

Apa yang menyedehkan saya ia-lah sa-bahagian besar bangunan itu megah dengan diri-nya sendiri telah tidak dapat membuat apa2.

Sebab saya katakan tidak dapat buat apa2 sebab tidak; ada kaki-tangan.
Sa-hingga pusat kesihatan yang hanya berguna apabila datang kereta ubat orang ramai datang ka-tempat itu baharu-lah mengambil ubat.

Hendak katakan ada orang yang bertugas tetapi di-tempat itu tidak ada.

Rumah2 untok tinggal pekerja2, kosong sahaja dan sa-tengah2 tempat rumah2 itu di-tompangi oleh pegawai2 Kera- jaan yang lain.
Saperti Pusat Kesihatan di-Wakaf Che' Yeh, Kota Bharu, apa lagi Pusat Kesihatan di-Ketereh, mithal- nya, sunyi sepi daripada manusia, dan ia merupakan bangunan yang tidak bernyawa, melainkan sa-minggu sa-kali saperti yang saya katakan tadi.

Jadi, apa-lah ada faedah yang dapat nampak pada zahir-nya dengan ada-nya ba ngunan itu, tetapi pehak Kementerian ini tidak menghantar kaki-tangan dan pegawai-nya.
Saya tahu bahawa pada masa yang ini pegawai2 kesihatan kurang akhir dan tidak chukup dan saya tahu pehak ini sedar bahawa ke- Kementerian itu-lah kurangan pegawai kesihatan yang menyebabkan kesihatan di-luar bandar terganggu sadikit sa-banyak.
Dan saya perchaya pehak Yang Ber- hormat Menteri ini pun sedar bahawa penyakit yang ber- berbangkit-nya jangkit saperti penyakit ta'un baharu2 4977 11 JANUARY 1964 4978 kaki-tangan kaki-tangan ini akibat kurang-nya dalam bahagian kesihatan ini, dan saya tahu pehak Kementerian ini sedar bahawa sudah ada rayuan saperti itu, tetapi kenapa—kenapa-kah tiada satu ikhtiar yang tegas dan betul2 konkerik bagi menambah dan pegawai kesihatan dalam negeri ini, sama ada dengan mengambil pegawai2 kesihatan dari luar negeri atau sa- bagai-nya?
Apa yang saya tahu bahawa jarang benar pehak doktor2 kita yang hendak mengambil bahagian berkhid- mat dalam bahagian kesihatan ini, sa- bahagian besar-nya menumpukan pada sa-mata2, sebab bahagian perubatan dalam bahagian perubatan ini, Tuan Pengerusi, kalau dia berhenti pun daripada perkhidmatan Kerajaan, dia boleh buka kelinik sendiri.
Kalau dia tidak berhenti dan dia sudah jadi pakar (specialist) dia dapat bayaran tetapi bagi pegawai ke pakar sihatan walau pun dia naik peringkat tinggi mana sa-kali pun tidak ada bayaran pakar walau pun dia pakar dalam bahagian kesihatan—apa lagi yang tidak pakar.
Jadi, ini-lah satu perkara yang harus di-fikirkan oleh pehak Kementerian ini, sama ada me- ngadakan chara baharu yang boleh menarek hati orang2 yang masok belajar bahagian kedoktoran ini supaya ada perhatian orang atau pelajar kita itu menumpu kan pelajaran-nya ka-arah kesihatan bersama dan tidak pada perubatan sa- mata2.
satu kaedah dan itu, terangkan ia-itu dua buah nya'i ra'ayat lebeh kurang 42,000 jiwa, maka kami hanya mempunyai hos rumah yang pital hanya mengandongi 100 orang dan dua buah rumah ia-itu tempat T.B.

hanya mempunya'i 80 katil bererti 80 orang.

Jadi atas perkara ini bagi telah pun pehak kami di-Baufort merayu kapada pehak Menteri Kesi hatan di-Sabah, tetapi sampai pada masa ini belum lagi dapat apa2 pen- jelasan-nya.
Sebab-nya, pada masa se- karang saya sendiri selalu melawat di- tersebut saya dapati orang2 hospital sakit itu tidor di-luar, kerana rumah2 itu tidak menchukupi bagi pehak orang sakit.
Bagi pehak kami di- Beaufort ada-lah sa-bagaimana saya telah tadi daripada dua sub-district ia-itu Sipitang dan Kuala Penyu hospital, hanya-lah mempunyai rumah sa-bagai sementara sahaja, jadi terpaksa orang2 yang sakit terok itu hendak-lah di- hantar ka-Beaufort dan juga termasok daripada daerah Papar menghantar ka- Beaufort.

Jadi sangat-lah rumah mustahak bagi pehak kami di-Beau- fort yang tidak mempunyai Kelas Dua hanya Kelas Tiga.
Oleh itu saya harap dan merayu kapada Kementerian Ke sihatan Pusat untok memberi penge- tahuan atau pun arahan bagi pehak Kementerian Kesihatan Sabah supaya memberi pertimbangan yang sa-halus2- nya berkenaan dengan perkara ini.

Sa- kian-lah.

Terima kaseh.

tidak mempunyai atas ini ini.


Saya Enche' Mohamed Dun bin Banir (Sabah): Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak berchakap sadikit sahaja berkenaan bagi dengan kesihatan pehak Sabah mengalu2kan dan me- nguchapkan terima kaseh banyak yang mana Anggaran Perbelanjaan yang telah di-chadangkan oleh pehak Men- teri Kesihatan.

Tuan Pengerusi, saya di-sini suka juga merayu kapada Men- teri Kesihatan Pusat ia-itu memberi ingat kapada pehak Menteri Kesihatan State kami ia-itu di-Sabah.
Sebab-nya, di- telah perhatikan di-sini dalam kandongan2 yang mana telah di-perchaya bagi pehak Menteri yang berkenaan tadi bagi pehak saya ia-itu di-Bandar Beaufort ada-lah mempu sub-district dan mempu nya'i dua saya Enche9 Zulkiflee bin Muhammad: Tuan Pengerusi, Public Health Ins titute, Kuala Lumpur kita akan me- nguntokkan $600,000.
Saya sukachita bahawa institute ini hendak di-tuboh- kan, tetapi menurut apa yang saya bacha dalam keterangan Yang Ber- hormat Menteri tadi bahawa latehan di-institute ini hanya akan di-mulakan agak-nya pada tahun hadapan, sebab bangunan itu sendiri akan siap hanya pada akhir saya harapkan ia-lah oleh kerana di-dalam kepentingan pengajaran public health di-sini kita terasa benar kekurangan- nya di-penohi oleh Kerajaan ia-lah supaya bilangan yang di-anggarkan bagi melateh pegawai2 itu hendak-lah di-banyakkan bukan bilangan yang ini.
Yang tahun 4979 11 JANUARY 1964 4980 ambil ada sahaja.

Tuan Pengerusi, sebab saya berkata demikian ia-lah kalau kita melateh 20-30 orang sahaja, maka Public Health Institute yang kita hendak tidak luluskan $600,000 dapat menutup kehendak2 kemajuan tuntutan kesihatan di-dalam negeri ini.
ini Satu tentu-lah Kementerian lagi, Tuan Pengerusi, oleh kerana banyak pegawai2 yang berlateh di-dalam public health ini mendapat latehan-nya daripada orang2 yang pa- kar, dan saya rasa oleh kerana ke- pakaran dan keahlian di-daiam public health bukan-lah boleh di-katakan banyak dalam negeri ini, dan di-akui oleh penyata tentang penyakit cholera di-Melaka tahun 1963 yang baharu di- bentangkan di-dalam Dewan ini, maka saya rasa ini akan mengambil pakar2 dari luar untok mengajar mereka itu.
Tuan Pengerusi, saya minta satu sahaja di-dalam pe- ngajian yang di-sampaikan kapada mereka yang belajar di-Public Health Institute ini, ia-lah supaya satu sema- ngat kesedaran dan keinsafan kapada kehidupan negeri ini berlainan dengan negeri2 yang mungkin guru2 mereka itu datang berada daripada-nya.

Kita dalam sa-buah masharakat yang di- namakan masharakat Tanah Melayu ini, dan oleh kerana yang demikian kehidupan ra'ayat ada-lah berlainan.
Sebab saya katakan bagitu, ada Pe gawai2 Kesihatan 'Awan dan Merinyu2- nya di-dalam negeri ini, yang chuba hendak membawa kesihatan kapada ra'ayat sa-chara yang terlalu ya'ani terlalu hendak berseh sangat sa-hingga ra'ayat memahamkan: kalau bagitu- lah chara-nya tidak dapat-lah kami chuba-lah di- mengikut-nya.

Maka adakan kursus2 di-dalam Public Health Institute itu yang di-padankan dengan keadaan negeri ini dengan kehidupan, tuntutan masharakat-nya dan keadaan ekonomi-nya.
Tuan Pengerusi, ini akan dapat di-jalankan dengan menjadikan pandangan orang2 yang belajar dan mengajar dalam Public Health Insti tute itu bahawa dia berhadapan dengan kesulitan2 kesihatan awam di-negeri ini yang mempunyai chara hidup sa- perti ra'ayat negeri ini sendiri.
Tuan Pengerusi jangan di-kechiwakan orang ini-lah saya minta, ramai terlalu keeropahan dengan dalam chara kesihatan yang sa-hingga hendak di-buat semua chara yang ada hingga menyebabkan, kalau bagitu-lah yang hendak sanggup-lah kami, dan ini menyebabkan orang ramai tidak mendapat faedah daripada pegawai2 yang akan keluar tahun 1965 daripada Public Health Institute ini.
di-buat, tidak berkenaan Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: Tuan Pengerusi, saya tidak hen dak menjawab banyak di-dalam per- kara2 yang di-bangkitkan oleh Ahli2 Yang Berhormat sekalian.

Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Seberang Tengah ada membangkitkan dengan latehan Student Nurses yang mana kata-nya patut di-banyakkan lagi di- sini dan di-berhentikan latehan di- saberang laut.

Saya suka menjelaskan bahwa latehan Student Nurses di- saberang laut itu ada-lah lebeh murah di-jalankan daripada di-sini.
Mengikut anggaran-nya, sa- orang Student Nurses yang di-lateh di-Malaya ini akan memakan belanja jikalau di-England sa-banyak $6,000 dan di-Australia, barangkali $2,000 sa haja, Itu yang pertama.

latehan yang Yang kedua, kesulitan-nya berkena an dengan hendak membanyakkan lagi Student Nurses yang terlateh di-sini ia-lah kekurangan guru2 yang terlateh yang hendak mengajar Student Nurses ini.
Jadi, tentu-lah kita berkehendakkan guru2 yang terlateh bagi mengajar mereka ini, dan oleh sebab kita tidak dapat menarek guru2 daripada sa- berang laut maka dengan sebab itu-lah kita Student Nurses kita ini bagi mendapatkan basic training di-saberang laut, bekerja di- sini dan sa-telah mendapat penga- laman, kita hantar mereka sa-mula untok mendapatkan latehan yang lebeh tinggi lagi bagi membolehkan mereka menjadi pengajar, atau pun pensharah2 di-dalam sekolah2 latehan ini.
terpaksa menghantar Berkenaan dengan chadangan-nya supaya di-banyakkan lagi kereta2 ubat ini, itu rasa saya ada-lah berlawanan, kerana dasar Kementerian ia-lah hendak mengutamakan "prevention" daripada "cure".
Sunggoh pun bagitu, kita ada juga menambah kereta2 ubat ini, tetapi Rural Health Scheme ini ini 4981 11 JANUARY 1964 4982 bertujuan untok memberi pelajaran2 kapada orang2 yang dudok di-dalam tentang perkara2 satu2 kawasan itu berkenaan dengan kesihatan, bagai- mana menjaga kesihatan supaya ja- ngan di-serang oleh penyakit, menjaga kebersehan dan sa-bagai-nya.

Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Besut dan Pasir Puteh telah menyentoh berkenaan dengan ranchangan meng- awal Penyakit T.B.
Ahli Yang Ber hormat dari Besut menchadangkan supaya di-banyakkan lagi risalah2 bagi mengajar orang ramai chara2 mem- perbaiki dan sa-bagai-nya.

Perkara itu akan di-ambil ingatan dan akan di- jalankan.

Menyebut berkenaan dengan itu, saya akan Ward T.B.

di-Besut siasat dan akan timbangkan.

Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Rawang ada meminta supaya saya menimbang- kan Rural Health Centre di-Batu Arang, perkara juga saya akan itu timbangkan.
saya jikalau specialist supaya dapat Berkenaan dengan kejadian yang di-cheritakan oleh Ahli Yang Ber hormat dari Pasir Puteh tadi bagai- mana sa-orang yang mengidap penyakit T.B.

tiga telah di-beri makan ubat biji, kemudian pengsan.

Saya suka-lah jikalau Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pasir Puteh itu memberi keterangan2 lengkap siasat dalam perkara ini.
Dia menchadang kan, ta' ta' ada usah-lah jaiankan perkara ini, itu rasa saya saya ta' dapat terima; patut kita fikirkan, sama ada kita hendak tunggu sa-hingga sampai kita ada chukop specialist baharu hendak di-jalankan ranchangan ini, atau pun memadai-lah dengan dua tiga orang specialist yang ada ini di-mana mereka memberi nasihat2 kapada doctor2 yang bekerja di-hospital2 yang jauh daripada sini.
Saya rasa kita ta' boleh tunggu supaya negeri kita ini chukop dengan specialist, baharu kita hendak men- jalankan ranchangan ini.

Kita terpaksa- lah menjalankan ranchangan ini, sebab bagaimana yang kita ketahui bahawa penyakit T.B.

ini ada-lah satu jenis penyakit yang sangat merbahaya, deras berjangkit dan banyak membunoh pendudok2 negeri ini.
sekarang Berkenaan rayuan Ahli dengan Yang Berhormat dari Sabah supaya saya berunding dengan Menteri Ke sihatan Sabah, suka saya menyatakan saya akan jaiankan perundingan itu.

Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Bachok telah mendatangkan shor2 dalam Majlis ini, saya akan timbangkan perkara2 ini apabila Pusat Melateh Pegawai2 Ke sihatan ini di-jalankan.
Saya sedar akan kekurangan pegawai2 kesihatan dalam negeri ini, dan dengan sebab langkah2 di-ambil itu-lah bagaimana yang di-nyatakan dalam Kertas Puteh yang mengikut Laporan Cholera ini bahawa langkah2 sedang di-ambil oleh Kerajaan bagi lagi galakan supaya membanyakkan doctor2 mengambil diploma dalam lapangan kesihatan ini.

sedang telah Saya telah terangkan bagaimana langkah2 yang telah di-jalankan oleh Kementerian ini untok membanyakkan lagi pemuda2 kita masok berkhidmat sa-bagai Merinyu Kesihatan.
Saya rasa apabila ranchangan ini berjalan de ngan lanchar ia-nya akan mengeluar- kan kaki-tangan2 yang chukop, dan Pusat2 Kesihatan yang ada dan yang akan di-dirikan itu akan di-lengkapi dengan pegawai2 yang chukop ter- lateh.

Sekian.

Question put, and agreed to.

of The sum $33,070,729 for Head 123, the sum of $1,828,215 for Head 162 and the sum of $3,921,405 for Head 185 agreed to stand part of the Development Estimates, 1964.
(Deputy Speaker in the Chair) Heads 124 and 125— The Minister of Labour and Social Welfare (Enche9 Bahaman bin Sam- sudin): Mr Chairman, Sir, with your permission, I would like to present the 1964 Development Estimates of the Ministry of Labour and Social Welfare comprising Heads 124 and 125 together for a total sum of $3,477,491.
Under Head 124, Labour and Indus trial Relations, a sum of $1,055,010 is required for Labour Offices at Kuala Lumpur, Segamat and Ipoh, and for the Industrial Training Institute of the 4983 11 JANUARY 1964 4984 Central Apprenticeship Board.

Except for the Labour Office in Ipoh, all the other projects are continuation projects.
Sub-head 10, item (viii), refers to re to the State novation and extension Labour Office, Kuala Lumpur, for which a sum of $40,000 is required to complete it by the end of January 1964.

A sum of $67,000 is provided under sub-head 10, item (x), for a Labour Office building at Segamat.

The difficul ties regarding site which delayed this project have been overcome, and plans have now been finalised for the build ing.
This proposed building will also provide accommodation for the Co operative Department which will con tribute a sum of $12,000 towards the cost.

Under the same sub-head, item (xi), a token sum of $10.00 is entered to enable this Ministry to put up a new office building in Ipoh in place of the present one which in adequate.

Only a token provision is entered as the question of site is still State being Government.
negotiated with is old and the Sub-head 11 refers to the Industrial Training Institute for the Central App renticeship Board.

The actual construc tion work was started in February this year.

It is expected to be completed by June 1964, and giving approximately 3 months for installation of the neces sary equipment, itself the should be able to start functioning by August-September 1964.

The balance of $50,000 which is provided for in 1965 is for the purchase of necessary equipment.
Institute the Coming to Head 125, Social Welfare, a sum of $2,422,481 will be required.

Except for token provisions of $10.00 each for a Remand Home/ Hostel at Penang and a Women and Girls Protection Home in Kuala Treng- ganu, all other projects under the various sub-heads are continuation pro jects, all of which are expected to be completed, barring unforeseen con tingencies, in the course of next year.
The Children's Home, Selangor (at Cheras) which comes under Sub-head 7, item (iii), is now under construction.

It is expected to be completed by May 1964.

A sum of $155,000 was spent in 1963 for the purchase of land, payment of architect's fees and progress pay ments.

Sub-head 10, amounting to $618,681 is in respect of the Old Peoples' Home in Kuala Lumpur.

The present Home belongs to the Agricultural Department in Serdang.
The new Home is now under construction and is expected to be completed some time in January 1964.

The sum of $35,000 required for 1965 is the retention fee which would be paid on satisfactory completion of the building.

11, Home children, for Under Sub-head mentally defective Johore Bahru, the project has somewhat been delayed due to the necessity of getting additional land, as the area already approved by the State Government was subsequently found to be inadequate.
However, the question of land is now settled and the Home is expected to be completed in 1964, and the provision asked for is to meet the complete cost of the project.

Under Sub-head 12, a sum of $244,957 is required to meet the cost of the second phase of construction of the National Youth Leadership Train ing Centre, Kuala Kubu Bharu.

Anti cipated progress of the centre has been hampered due to undue blasting and excavation required owing to the rocky nature of the site.
The project is expec ted to be completed in June 1964.

Under Sub-head 13, all staff quarters included in the plan have been com pleted, and the remainder is required for renovation of Serendah Children's Home.

The rehabilitation Centre for the Physically Handicapped which appears is now under under Sub-head 14 construction and to be completed in March 1965.

The Centre is anticipated to start functioning imme diately thereafter.
is expected Coming to Sub-head 17, Youth Centre, Selangor, the building is already completed and occupied.

The provision in 1964 is required for the construction of the playing field, construction of which was delayed.

The field is now expected to be ready by March 1964.
4985 11 JANUARY 1964 4986 Under Sub-head 18, item (i), the Home in Kuala Lumpur is now under to be construction and completed in June 1964. is expected Sir, I beg to move that the sum of $3,477,491 standing under Heads 124 and 125 be approved.

Enche' Liu Yoong Peng: Mr Chair man, Sir, I wish to speak under sub head 12, National Youth Leadership Training Centre, Kuala Kubu Bahru.
I presume that the intention of the Government to set up such a Youth Leadership Training Centre is to pro vide a place for the training and deve lopment of the character and moral of the youths of our nation.

This scheme, I think, can be revised in such a way so as to give it further scope than what it is now; in other words it can be adjust- ted to fit into the idea of a Work Brigade.
I am sorry to note that yester day, after I have suggested the idea of a Work Brigade, the Finance Minister remarked that he considered that such a Brigade could serve no useful pur pose—that it would be something like a Boy Scout movement and so forth.

I hope the Finance Minister would study carefully what has been done in Singapore—that is in respect of the Gudang South Area—and see how that has actually worked there.
If the Fin ance Minister has no confidence in the youths of our nation, then let us have a close look at the present system of youths working under the contrac tors.

They are youths and many of them are unskilled, but they are directed by the contractors; they carry out projects which have been designed by engineers and so forth, and they carry out their work all right.
If we provide that type of training to fit these youths into something which is more const ructive, so that they can handle this trained work properly, they can be into having a better moral and spirit and have some sense of duty to the nation.

I see no reason why this is not going to be a good scheme.

There fore, I strongly reject the criticism of the Finance Minister that the thing cannot work.

the kepalas of specialists and by Enche9 Bahaman bin Samsudin: Sir, I do not think I have much to say.
What the Honourable Member has been talking all the while is about the Work Brigade and against what the Minister of Finance said.

Sir, the pur pose of the Youth Leadership Training Centre at Kuala Kubu Bahru is, of course, to widen the scope we have at present, and he agrees with me on that.

Enche' Liu Yoong Peng: Sir, may I know whether the Finance Minister is prepared to reply?
Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Chairman, Sir, in the first place, I think the Hon ourable Member for Rawang has mis understood me completely.

He infers from my statement that a Work Brigade for is not a practical proposition channelling the unemployed into the ranks of the employed.

He infers from that that I have no confidence in our youth.

I should remind him that the two are two entirely different things.
It is not so much a lack of confidence in our youth as my contention that a Work Brigade effective instrument for reducing unemployment in this country—it is too much of an amateurish show, I think.

As I have said before, it has been tried out in a certain State further south, and I do not think that even the Government there seriously intends that it should be a method of reducing unemployment.

is not an Enche' Liu Yoong Peng: Sir, I do the the opinion of not agree with Finance Minister.
Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $1,055.010 for Head 124 and the sum of $2,422,481 for Head 125 agreed to stand part of the Develop ment Estimates, 1964.

Heads 126-129, 186 and 187— The Assistant Minister of Rural Development (Sarawak) (Enche9 Abdul- Rahman bin Ya'kub): Mr Chairman, Sir, with your permission, may I explain Heads 126 to 129 for Malaya, and Heads 186 and 187 for Sarawak.
With regard to Head 126, sub-head 1—Land Development Authority Hon ourable Members know that Federal Land Development Authority the main agent of the Federal Government in carrying out a number of large scale is 4987 11 JANUARY 1964 4988 and well planned land development schemes and settlements all over the country.
The provision of $33 million required under sub-head 1 of Head 126 will be utilised to cover costs of administration and maintenance of existing schemes and also the cost of starting the first phase of the additional 12 new schemes covering approximately 13,000 acres.

The provision is also for the purpose of phase 2 of the 1963 schemes and phase 3 of the 1961 schemes.

The Annual Report of the FLDA for 1962 has been tabled for the infor mation of Honourable Members.
This Report will enable Honourable Mem bers to know in detail all the land schemes which have been developed by the FLDA.

Turning to sub-head 8 of Head 126—Rural and Industrial Development Authority, sure Honourable Members are fully acquainted with the activities of the Authority.

Since the inception of the Second Five-Year the activities of Development Plan RIDA have been geared to conform to the National Rural Development Programme.
I am The main activities of RIDA are the provision of credit facilities to small rural traders, assistance in the process ing and marketing of rural produce, the provision of training facilities mainly on commercial subjects and home eco nomics and the provision of transport services in the rural areas.

The required provision the in Estimates before us today will be utilised for the purpose of intensifying RIDA's activities in the fields I have just mentioned and also other fields.
the assistance of With regard to Sub-head 15—Group Settlement Schemes, individual States have been carrying out Fringe and Controlled Land Alienation Schemes with the Federal Government in the form of loans and the States.

The amount grants provided for Loans has been reduced to $2.9 million for 1964 as compared to $5 million last year.
This reduction is due partly to the desire of some State Governments to concentrate on to the consolidation of their present land schemes and partly due to the un availability of suitable land in some States.

The provision under Grant will be used mainly to buy planting materials, cover crops and fertilisers for the new and existing schemes.
The provision of $10 million en tered under Sub-head 17 (ii)—Minor Rural Development Schemes—will be spent on Minor Development Projects both in the rural and new village areas.

The needs for Minor Rural Projects in the rural and new village areas are well-known to Honourable Members.
Amenities that exist today both in the rural and new village areas need im provement and additions on which the provision of $10 million will be utilised in 1964. essential With regard to Head 127—Geolo gical Survey—$224,861, I must em phasise that the expenditure on this long term scientific investment is not only the view of from planning but it is vital from the view of and knowledge on the mineral wealth of our country.
The provision of $224,861 is meant to enable this Department to carry out its 1964 programme of work.

accumulating information I now turn to Head 128—Mines.

The principal projects for the Mines Department under the Second Five- Year Development Plan have been completed.

These projects include the construction of new buildings com prising a mineral dressing pilot plant and overhauling drilling equipment.
The Estimates for the final 1964 include provision for payments construction of the buildings and also for the purchase of additional items of equipment and motor transport.

a workshop for for Coming to Head 129, Survey, I wish to inform the House that the Survey Department, of late, has been under increasing pressure to make available topographic maps more and more required for development and defence needs of the country.
Much of Malaya is still to be mapped to the standard of accuracy required for defence and development purposes, although map 4989 11 JANUARY 1964 4990 the standards of coverage of different the whole of accuracy exists over topo Malaya.

Preparations of graphic maps involve aerial photo graphy which calls for equipments such as rectifiers, aviographs, film settlers, and printing machinery.
Only with the aid of these instruments can the pro duction of topographic maps be under taken more efficiently and quickly.

With regard to Sub-heads 18 and 19, Honourable Members will recollect that the construction of a new Survey in Kuantan and a District Office Survey Office in Kuala Pilah was started early in 1963.

The amounts required under these two sub-heads are for the purpose of completing these two projects.

the lines to last Mr Chairman, Sir, I would now turn to Heads 186 and 187 for Sarawak.
Rural Development in Sarawak will be its implemented on similar three implementation over years in Malaya and, therefore, the detailed items shown under this Head 186, pertaining the Ministry of to Rural Development, do not give a complete and comprehensive picture of the Government's intention with regard to implementing Rural Development in Sarawak, because almost everything else in these Development Estimates, such as provision for roads, schools, health services, agriculture, veterinary, fisheries, drainage and irrigation, etc., are all part and parcel of the overall Rural Development Plan.
a Under sub-head 1, Minor Rural sum of Development Projects, the $100,000 is provided for under Federal Estimates for miscellaneous rural projects, but the State Govern ment has added a further $200,000 making a total of $300,000.

example, where It is intended to encourage the spirit self-help amongst village com of munities.
For a community is anxious to make a bridge or minor road, it would be encouraged to do so and Government will assist them by providing a small amount of money and paying for materials for bridging and so on.

As I said earlier on, the Develop ment Organisation in Sarawak will be similar to that which we have here, the District Development Committees being replaced in Sarawak by Divisional Development Committees.
Some of this $300,000 will be allo cated to these Divisional Committees to enable to carry out small minor works without any delay, so that the Government is aware of their needs.

the people can them that feel There is also $200,000 for Govern ment buildings in development areas.

Honourable Members, who have glanced at the Sarawak Development Plan, may have seen that it is intended that Rural Development should be focussed on areas of good soil where the results are likely to be most satis factory.
shown under Funds for all kinds of agricultural development are the relevant Ministries' Head, money for schools is under the Ministry of Educa tion and so on, but in addition it will be necessary to construct a number of Government buildings such as com munity centres, housing for develop ment staff, stores and so on and this is the purpose for which this money is intended.
Regarding sub-head 3 under which provision of $20,000 is available for the blasting of rocks, as Honourable Members know, a lot of transport and communications in Sarawak is by river and this provision to blast rocks is aimed towards better navigation.

Mr Chairman, Sir, turning to Head 187 sub-head 1, the provision of $439,250 is for the continuation and intensification of an existing scheme which was well under way before the formation of Malaysia.

Sir, I beg to move.
Sir, I beg to move.

Data' Mohamed Hanifah bin Haji Abdul Ghani: Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka berchakap kapada head 126 sub-head 8 Rural Industrial Develop ment Authority sa- banyak $4,368,044.

Tuan Pengerusi, ini maka berkaitan dengan RIDA suka-lah saya membayangkan dalam Dewan chara hidup orang kampong dengan pehak2 pemodal di-dalam bandar, perbezaan lagi dapat mereka ia-itu perbezaan peruntokan itu maseh jauh ini 4991 11 JANUARY 1964 4992 kechil supaya terutama menchapai sa-imbang kehi- dupan mereka itu.
Chara hidup orang2 orang Melayu kampong sunggoh pun mempunyai chita2 supaya taraf hidup mereka itu mendapat tinggi, dan dapat kemajuan2 dalam perusahaan2 maka perlu-lah RIDA ini menjadi pusat pendorong dan pusat memberikan chontoh tauladan supaya dapat di-ikuti oleh orang2 kampong dalam lapangan perusahaan dan per- di-kampong2.

Di- niagaan samping itu pula perlu-lah pinjaman wang kapada perusahaan2 itu di- besarkan dan di-perbanyakkan.
Ke- rana kadang2 ada perusahaan2 atau perniagaan2 kechil yang hendak di- ranchangkan oleh orang2 kampong tidak dapat kejayaan yang memuas- kan hati.

Kerana pinjaman wang dari pada RIDA kadang2 tidak chukup yang membolehkan mereka itu mema- kalangan jukan perusahaan dalam mereka.
Kita hari ini nampak ada perusahaan2 atau kilang2 kechil perlu di-tubohkan di-kampong2 yang akan mengusahakan oleh orang kampong sendiri dan perniagaan2 kechil yang dapat kemajuan yang boleh menchapai kemajuan kalau sa-kira-nya panduan sunggoh2 dapat di-beri oleh RIDA atau pinjaman wang yang chukup dapat di- beri oleh RIDA pada mereka itu.
Oleh sebab kita mahu melihat kejayaan2 daripada RIDA itu dapat memberi kesan yang betul2 supaya dapat di- lihat satu masa orang2 kampong itu dapat satu kemajuan yang dapat kita megahkan.

Hari ini, Tuan Pengerusi, sa-kira-nya pehak RIDA ini hanya mengambil ada-nya sahaja dan tidak bersunggoh2, maka harapan kita dan harapan Kerajaan mahu melihat satu tidak kemajuan orang kampong sa-kira-nya akan dapat kita pehak RIDA satu sokongan yang berkesan dan ber sunggoh2.
tidak memberi lihat itu Sunggoh pun ada RIDA pada hari ini, tetapi maseh kita mendengar sungutan daripada orang kampong— sungutan2 daripada orang yang chuba menyampaikan permohonan meminta pinjam, kadang2 susah dapat kelulusan pinjaman itu, bahkan dengan ada-nya sharat2 yang kuat dan ketat sa-hingga chita2 mereka tidak dapat di- itu lahirkan.
Maka saya berharap kapada RIDA supaya dapat memberi khidmat dan pertolongan dengan bersunggoh2 kapada orang kampong yang mahu melihat dan mahu mendapat keja yaan dengan sunggoh2 dalam negeri ini.

Sa-kian-lah sahaja, Tuan pe ngerusi.

kami sadikit berkenaan Tuan Haji Muhammad Su'aut bin Haji Muhd.
Tahir (Sarawak): Tuan Pengerusi, di- sa-benar-nya Sarawak sangat2 dahaga di-atas hal perkembangan luar bandar, dengan itu saya menyokong dengan penoh- nya Anggaran Perbelanjaan yang telah di-beri kapada negeri kami itu.

suka memberi Tetapi, di-sini saya tegoran dengan jawatan Pegawai Perkembangan (De velopment Officer and State Develop ment Officer) yang ada di-Sarawak Jawatan pegawai2 pada masa yang ada saya dapat tahu ia-lah di- beri kapada Expatriate Officer.
Saya berpendapat ia-itu jawatan ini hendak- sa-mula nya di-kaji dan di-fikirkan Pegawai di-beri supaya Tempatan (Local Officer).

Kalau sa- kira-nya lagi memberi kapada Expatriate Officer, maka berma'ana-lah semangat dan chorak2 "colony" itu maseh di-jalan- kan oleh mereka itu di-Sarawak, dan sa-balek itu lagi Pegawai2 Tempatan tidak shak lagi mempunyai perasaan yang tidak bagitu memuaskan.

langkah polisi maseh kapada ini.


pada Tuan Pengerusi, satu lagi tegoran yang saya suka hendak mengemuka- kan ka-Dewan ia-lah berkenaan ini dengan Development Committee akan di-tubohkan di-Sarawak ia-itu menurut penerangan daripada Yang Berhormat Menteri Muda tadi.
Sarawak kata-nya akan mempunyai" satu Divisional De tiap2 velopment Committee bahagian, yang mana Sarawak ada mempunyai lima bahagian Divisional Development Committee ini bertugas, tidak ubah saperti tugas District De velopment Committee yang ada di- Malaya ini.
Di-sini saya suka memberi ingat kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri Muda Pembangunan Luar Bandar itu ia-itu kawasan Sarawak ada-lah ber- saperti hampiran luas-nya sama dengan kawasan di-Malaya ini, dan tiap2 bahagian (division) di-Sarawak 4993 11 JANUARY 1964 4994 sama dengan itu ada-lah sa-buah state di-Malaya ini.

Dan itu, saya ber- tiap2 district di-Sarawak pendapat itu patut-lah di-beri Development Commitee-nya bersendirian.
Dengan ada-nya tiap2 district itu mempunyai Development Committee-nya, maka saya rasa pekerjaan atau penyiasatan mereka ada-lah lebeh halus dan sem- purna lagi dalam hal district mereka masing2.

tadi berkata Yang Berhormat Menteri Muda lebeh kurang bagini: "Honourable Members who have glanced at the Sarawak Development Plan may have seen that it is intended that rural develop ment should be focussed on areas of good soil, where the result are likely to be most satisfactory."
Tuan Pengerusi, chadangan ini pada zahir-nya sangat molek, tetapi saya suka memberi satu lagi tegoran di-sini ia-itu di-belakang chadangan itu ada- sangat2 lah memberi kesan yang burok, dan harus menimbulkan akibat tidak baik, sebab kalau cha yang ini di-jalankan, maka kita dangan akan dapat chuma dua atau tiga daerah sahaja yang di-perkembangkan.

Tuan Pengerusi, apa pula hal-nya kapada berpuloh2 daerah yang lain lagi?

Ada-kah mereka di-biar atau di-tinggalkan langsong bagitu sahaja?
Sa-patut-nya Kerajaan dan khas-nya Kementerian Pembangunan Luar Bandar itu berusaha, bukan sahaja mengembangkan kawasan yang mempunyai tanah yang subor, tetapi tanah2 yang kurang di-tempat2 atau subor di-perkembangkan juga.

Saya perchaya, Tuan Pengerusi, dengan ada-nya perkembangan atau kemajuan sains (Science) pada zaman ini, maka Kerajaan dapat mengikhtiar- kan supaya tanah yang kurang subor itu di-perbaiki dengan chara meng- gunakan baja.
patut-lah Pusat Tuan Pengerusi, satu perkara lagi yang saya suka hendak nyatakan di- sini ia-itu tidak berapa lama dahulu kita telah membacha dalam surat- khabar satu perishtiharan dari Kerajaan Sarawak yang menerangkan: Bahawa Kerajaan telah mengambil keputusan memberi beribu2 ekar tanah kapada bangsa China.

Perishtiharan itu tidak ada menyebutkan bahawa Kerajaan akan berbuat demikan juga kapada bangsa2 bumi putera.
Saya berpen- dapat langkah yang di-jalankan oleh Kerajaan itu boleh jadi untok menarek hati mereka yang nampak-nya bersim- pati dengan kominis.

Di-sini saya suka menerangkan ia- itu kebanyakan pendudok2 yang susah itu ada-lah daripada pehak bumi putera Sarawak.
Di-dalam Dewan yang mulia ini, Tuan Pengerusi, saya menyeru dengan harapan yang penoh agar Kerajaan Pusat, terutama sa-kali pehak Kementerian Pembangunan akan menjalankan Luar Bandar segala2 usaha untok memperbaiki untong nasib mereka yang sa-benar2- kepunyaan nya mempunyai sa-kira-nya mereka bumi putera Sarawak tinggal dalam yang menderita sedang pendudok yang datang (immi grant people) yang dudok di-Sarawak dengan mendapat kesenangan dan kema'amoran, maka nanti akan timbul perasaan tidak puas hati kapada mereka bumi putera di-situ, dan harus nanti akan membawa akibat yang tidak di-ingini berlaku dalam Sarawak.
Sa-kian-lah sahaja.

hak sendiri.

Kalau kehidupan tetap Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kup: Tuan Pengerusi, bagi menjawab pan- dangan yang di-datangkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pasir Mas Hulu, saya suka menyatakan bahawa pan- dangan-nya itu ada-lah di-ketahui, dan di-dalam peruntokan tahun 1964 bagi RIDA, kita berharap RIDA dalam melateh orang2 berkenaan dengan hal perusahaan2 di-dalam kampong2 itu akan dapat di-lebehkan lagi.
di-ketahui Kepentingan2 bagi pekerjaan RIDA dalam soal perusahaan di-kampong2 itu memang-lah oleh Kerajaan dan Kerajaan akan bekerja sa-berapa boleh-nya untok dengan menchapai tujuan Kerajaan tadi ia-itu membantu ra'ayat supaya mereka itu dapat berdiri di-atas kaki mereka sendiri.

yang Mengenai di- pandangan datangkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Sarawak, Tuan Haji Muhammad Su'aut Tahir; bin Haji Muhd.
pertama, tentang hal Development Officers di-Sarawak itu telah di-pileh 4995 11 JANUARY 1964 4996 daripada pegawai2 expatriat, saya suka menerangkan bahawa mereka itu ada- lah State Officers dan dengan hal yang demikian Kerajaan Federal tidak ada berkuasa berkenaan dengan hal lantek- an bagi mereka itu.

Perkara ini dapat di-kemukakan kapada Majlis Undang- an, atau pun Council Negeri, Sarawak, ia-itu Ahli2 Council Negeri ini dapat berunding dengan Kerajaan Negeri di-sana.
Jikalau pun ada di-antara mereka itu daripada Federal, harus juga perkara ini akan di-penohi oleh State Officers yang di-suroh bekerja, seconded, ka-dalam pejabat2 ya'ani tersebut.

Sama ada di-dalam satu tempat yang mempunyai tidak subor, tanah yang Kerajaan akan dapat mengembangkan di-sana, itu ada-lah bergantong kapada rupa perusahaan, atau rupa perkem bangan.

Jadi, perkara itu dapat-lah di-timbangkan bila masa dia sampai kelak.
Untok langkah yang pertama, yang penting sa-kali kita hendakkan itu mengetahui ra'ayat di-negeri bahawa Kerajaan dengan sa-berapa segera yang boleh hendak menjalankan perkembangan2 Sarawak; dengan chara yang demikian kita ada-lah menunaikan perjanjian2 yang telah di-beri.
dalam yang tidak-lah mungkin di-dalam Berhubong dengan soal Divisional Development Committee di- bandingkan dengan District Develop ment Committee di-Malaya ini, saya suka menyatakan bahawa sunggoh pun dalam Sarawak itu satu2 Division-nya lebeh luas daripada satu District, tetapi hendak-lah di-ingat bahawa di-dalam menjalankan ranchangan ini, kita ada- tingkat yang pertama lah di-dalam tingkat yang sa-kali.
Jadi, di-dalam kita demikian tiap2 hendak mengada District, di-dalam satu Division boleh jadi juga mempunyai sepuloh, atau pun lima belas District, atau pun empat lima District sa-kurang2-nya di-sana.

Jadi, untok pekerjaan yang pertama sa-kali lihat-lah bagaimana chara-nya kita boleh meng- itu dengan elok-nya.
ator pekerjaan Jikalau pada masa hadapan kelak kita berfikir bahawa di-dalam tiap2 District itu elok kita buat saperti di-sini juga— macham District itu Division di-sana—maka perkara dapat di-timbangkan oleh Kerajaan supaya dapat melichinkan pekerjaan pembangunan luar bandar Sarawak.
di-Sarawak, di-sini bukan kita Berhubong dengan soal kawasan untok perkembangan luar bandar ini dia menyebutkan "focus on areas of good soil", saya suka menyatakan di- sini ia-itu memang-lah biasa-nya baik di-mana tempat sa-kali pun, mithal- nya kalau kita hendak menanam getah, hendak menanam ta' ladang2 chari kita tentu tempat itu yang boleh subor untok di-tanam getah.

Bagitu juga soal kelapa, atau pun perkara2 yang lain.
kita pasir, tanah akan Berhubong dengan soal tanah yang beribu2 ekar yang akan di-beri menurut penerangan Kerajaan Sarawak kapada orang2 China di-Sarawak, saya suka menyatakan kapada Ahli Yang Ber- hormat itu bahawa menurut agreement Malaysia ini soal pemberian tanah itu ada-lah di-kuasai oleh Kerajaan Negeri.

Ini bererti bahawa Kerajaan Pusat tidak dapat champor tangan.

Siapa-kah yang patut di-beri oleh Kerajaan Sarawak, kapada Kerajaan Sarawak sendiri.

Demikian- lah.
Demikian- lah.

terpulang-lah itu Tuan Haji Muhammad Su'aut bin Haji Muhd.

Tahir: Berkenaan dengan hal di-katakan oleh Menteri Muda tadi itu ada-lah tanggongan kapada State .

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tanah telah yang Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: siapa yang itu mesti meminta State yang menguasai", hendakkan kapada State.

tanah Tuan Haji Muhammad Su'aut bin ada- di-hadapkan Haji Muhd.

Tahir: Tetapi kah State itu mesti memberi .

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Mr Chairman: Tiap2 soalan itu hendak-lah kapada Speaker, kemudian bila sudah habis, terus dua2 baharu menjawab.

Kalau menjawab sama2 bagitu, itu ta' boleh ini.

Kalau hendak dalam Parlimen tanya, sudah habis sahaja, dudok.

Kemudian baharu-lah pehak yang hendak menjawab saya benarkan dia boleh menjawab.

Ada hendak tanya apa2 lagi?

tanya Tuan Haji Muhammad Su'aut bin Haji Muhd.

Tahir: Ta' ada.

4997 11 JANUARY 1964 4998 Question put, and agreed to.
The sum of $27,322, also under Column (9) and the sum of $30,315,000 under Column (10) for Heads 126- 129 inclusive, and the sum of $520,000 under Column (8) for Head 186, and the sum of $439,250 under Column (8) for Head 187 agreed to stand part of the Development Estimates, 1964. di-hadapan Majlis saya sebab Mr Chairman: Ahli2 Yang Berhor- terlebeh dahulu daripada saya mat, menchadangkan peruntokan bagi tahun 1964 bagi Kementerian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama, saya hendak me- nyatakan, ia-itu saya berharap kerja2 ini ada yang di-habiskan, tahu ada jemputan daripada Yang Amat Ber- hormat Perdana Menteri kapada Ahli2 yang ada di-sini.
Bagi hendak meng- lagi elakkan daripada bermeshuarat sa-lepas daripada makan itu, saya berharap, kalau ada-lah Ahli2 yang hendak berchakap di-dalam Kepala2 yang akan kita bahathkan ini saperti mana yang ada di-hadapan Majlis ini ia-itu hanya-lah ada empat lagi, dan ada dua usul sa-lepas itu, maka saya minta-lah berchakap dengan sa-berapa pendek supaya dapat kita habiskan semua kerja2 ini dalam tempoh pukol 8 malam ini.
Mr Chairman: I now propose that the sums of $34,342,278 for Heads 130 to 135, $230,216 for Head 167 and $6,577,877 for Heads 188 to 192 shown in the Development Estimates, 1964 be approved.
The Minister of Agriculture and Co-opratives (Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari): Tuan Pengerusi, saya mohon meminta kebenaran membawa ter- utama sa-kali sa-lain daripada Kepala2 130 hingga 135 bagi Malaya sa-banyak $34,342,278; Kepala 167 bagi Sabah sa-banyak $230,216 dan Kepala 188 hingga 192 bagi Sarawak sa-banyak $6,577,877 sa-kali gus.
akan melihat Tuan Pengerusi, Ahli2 Yang Berhor- jumlah wang mat sa-banyak $34,342,278 telah di-per- untokkan di-bawah Kepala2 130-135 di-dalam Perbelanjaan Kemajuan bagi tahun 1964 di-bawah Kementerian Pertanian dan Sharikat Anggaran Kerjasama.

Satu perbandingan dengan tahun Anggaran Perbelanjaan bagi 1963 menunjokkan kekurangan sa- banyak $5,607,783.
Menjelang kemasokan ka-dalam tahun 1964 dari ranchangan kemajuan lima tahun ke-dua, satu peruntokan yang kurang ada-lah di-duga meman- dang kapada kenyataan bahawa kita telah melalui peringkat sa-paroh jalan dan akan menchapai ka-sempurnaan beberapa projek yang telah di-lanchar- kan pada permulaan ranchangan ini di-jalankan dahulu.
yang Bagaimana pun, maseh ada be berapa ranchangan atau projek yang baharu di-lancharkan akan tahun 1964, dan peruntokan dalam kewangan sa-jumlah $34,342,278 ini akan untok membaiki ranchangan2 dan projek2 yang maseh di-teruskan dari tahun2 yang sudah.

di-gunakan Sekarang saya akan terus menjelas- kan anggaran perbelanjaan kemajuan bagi tiap2 bahagian dalam Kementerian saya.

Bahagian Pertanian.
Bahagian Pertanian.

ia-lah perbelanjaan Dalam tahun 1964 belanjawan Ke majuan ada-lah terlebeh sadikit dari $7 juta yang mana sa-banyak $2.58 juta yang di- peruntok sa-mula dan $4.62 juta ia-lah projek2 yang di-maksudkan perbelanjaan2 Perpechahan baharu.

untok ranchangan2 utama-nya: untok 1.

$2.44 juta akan untok penyelidekan; di-belanjakan 2.

$1.86 juta untok kemajuan dan kerja2 lanjutan2 Pertanian; 3.

$1.50 juta untok Pemulehan/ tanaman sa-mula kelapa; dan 4.

$1.39 juta untok Pelajaran Per tanian.


beneh Serdang, Projek2 menyelidek Selangor ada-lah dan semaian kelapa bali di-pusat2 pen dan yelidekan di- Jerangau, Terengganu jangka akan mengeluarkan hasil2 yang terpenting bagi meluas dan meninggi- kan perusahaan kelapa bali.
Selain dari itu ranchangan mengeluarkan beneh2 kelapa bali yang baik telah di- lancharkan untok mengeluarkan sa-juta satu 4999 11 JANUARY 1964 5000 tahun hingga 1966—ia-itu beneh bagi chukup memenohi keperluan ranchangan2 kerajaan menanam kelapa bali.

pun salah ia-itu hasil2 ada-lah pekebun Kelapa, dari satu perusahaan kechil yang juga di-beri ke- penting, utamaan khas dalam usaha Kerajaan jenis2 per- menggalakkan pertukaran tanian yang sedang di-jalankan se- karang.
Walau dari penyelidekan dan penyiasatan ber- lambat kenaan dengan kelapa lebeh di-perolehi dari kelapa bali, tetapi beberapa kemajuan telah di-perbuat dalam perkara memileh beneh2 yang baik.

Salah satu dari kemajuan2 yang terchapai dalam ia-lah penyelenggaraan ranchangan pemuleh- an/penanaman sa-mula kelapa yang mana oleh beberapa tidak dapat di-jalankan lebeh awal.
tahun 1963 sebab BAHAGIAN KEMAJUAN KERJASAMA kawalan tidak-lah sa-benar-nya Peruntokan Kemajuan dalam ang- garan Kemajuan Bahagian Kerjasama tahun 1964 ini, telah di-letakkan di- bawah "Co-operatives Credit Funds" di-bawah Perbendaharaan Persekutuan, kerana kebanyakan pin- jaman2 kerjasama yang di-kehendaki itu terta'alok tujuan2 Tabong Kemajuan kapada di-gunakan mengikut yang Undang2 Tabong Kemajuan 1958; manakala peruntokan kemajuan yang sudah2 itu ada-lah di-letakkan di- bawah Kepala Kechil 131 bertajok pinjaman Kerjasama jangka pendek dan jangka pertengahan.
boleh Di-dalam tahun 1964, Bahagian Ke majuan Kerjasama Kementerian saya, lagi peranan2- akan memperhebatkan nya di-dalam kawasan2 luar bandar guna memperelokkan lagi iktisad dan keadaan ke-Masharakatan ra'ayat2 di- dalam kawasan luar bandar itu.
Di- antara ranchangan2 bagi tahun 1964 itu termasok-lah: (a) Menggantikan jentera2 kilang pengisar padi yang kechil ber- selerak dengan banyak-nya yang pada masa ini di-gunakan me- ngisar padi untok di-makan oleh pendudok2 di-tempat yang ber- kenaan sahaja; (b) Mengadakan kilang kopi di- Kuala Langat; (c) Membeli dan membahagi2kan alat2 dan perkakas pertanian ka pada sharikat2 kerjasama yang bertanggong-jawab bagi meninggi- kan taraf pertanian ahli2-nya; dan lanjutan atas ranchangan kenderaan kawasan luar bandar.
(d) kerja2 BAHAGIAN PARIT DAN TALI AYER Dalam tahun 1963, sa-banyak 7 buah ranchangan parit meliputi kawasan sa- luas 40,900 ekar sawah, dan 30 buah ranchangan tali ayer yang meliputi kawasan sa-luas 16,364 ekar sawah siap di-bena.

Beberapa buah telah ranchangan lagi berada di-dalam pe- rengkat yang hampir2 siap dan dapat tanah2 di-gunakan bagi mengayerkan sawah sa-luas 15,600 ekar lagi walau pun maseh belum siap betul, menjadi- sa-luas kan 32,120 ekar.
Di-antara itu, 12,556 ekar ada-lah sawah yang boleh di-tanam padi dua kali sa-tahun.

Di- sa-banyak 98 1963, dalam peratus daripada ranchangan2 tahun itu telah siap, dan sa-banyak 57 peratus daripada Ranchangan Kemajuan Lima Tahun telah berhasil.

kesemua-nya jumlah sa-luas tahun Di-dalam tahun 1964 pula, per untokan2 kemajuan akan di-gunakan bagi menanggongkan perbelanjaan ran changan2 saperti mana di-sebutkan di- Kepala2 Kechil dalam Anggaran ini.
BAHAGIAN PERIKANAN Wang sa-jumlah $2,234,098 ada-lah di-kehendaki bagi tahun 1964 untok kemajuan perusahaan perikanan di- dalam negeri ini.

Di-antara wang itu, sa-jumlah $626,098 telah di-letakkan di-bawah Kepala 133 untok berbagai2 ranchangan kemajuan.
Baki yang ber- jumlah sa-banyak $1,608,000 yang di- chadangkan bagi ranchangan membantu nelayan2 dengan berupa wang telah di-asingkan daripada Anggaran Ke majuan ini dan di-masokkan di-dalam Kira2 Amanah yang di-sebut "Co operative Credit Fund" saperti mana yang boleh di-dapati di-dalam Jilid I, Persekutuan.

Anggaran Belanjawan Wang yang terletak di-dalam tabong itu ada-lah di-bawah kawalan Per bendaharaan Persekutuan.
5001 11 JANUARY 1964 5002 Ranchangan2 kemajuan yang besar bagi tahun 1964 itu termasok-lah: (a) Menyelesaikan ranchangan Per- di-bawah Ranchangan ikanan Colombo sumbangan Kerajaan Canada, di-Pantai Timor, dan ranchangan kemajuan pemasaran ikan yang di-bekukan yang ber- jumlah sa-banyak $212,127; (b) Membesarkan pusat Pembahagi2 Ikan sa- dan Pusat Membiakkan belanja yang memakan banyak $120,000; (c) Pembenaan kapal untok men- jalankan Pemereksaan Kawasan yang boleh juga di-gunakan sa- bagai kapal tempat Perchubaan Perikanan, akan menelan belanja sa-banyak $100,000; dan (d) Meluaskan lagi kemudahan2 tem pat menurunkan hasil tangkapan berjumlah $61,000.
Sa-lain daripada Pusat Membiakkan Ikan di-Bukit Tinggi dan di-Cameron Highlands, sa-buah lagi pusat yang baharu akan di-buka di-Pantai Timor ia-itu di-Machang, manakala pusat baharu di-Keluang pula yang sedang di-dalam pembenaan yang di-mulakan dalam tahun 1963 itu, akan siap dalam tahun 1964 ini.

Dengan pembukaan pusat2 yang baharu membiakkan ikan ramai-lah pelateh2 akan dapat itu, mempelajari dari dekat peratoran me- melihara ikan dengan chara yang terbaharu.
Perchubaan dalam bidang mem biakkan Udang Galah telah membuka suatu jalan lagi dalam bidang mem- udang.

Ranchangan2 perdagangkan penyelidekan chara baharu boleh di- laksanakan sekarang ini dengan sebab tambahan pengambilan pe ada-nya gawai2 bagi membuat penyelidek penyelidek2an, umpama-nya chara me- melihara ketam2 batu.

Suatu ranchangan penyelidekan yang memakan belanja $86,000 untok mengkaji masaalah ikan-asin, membekukan memeramkan ikan, dan menyediakan makanan untok ikan, ada-lah sedang di-jalankan.
BAHAGIAN JABATAN HUTAN Dalam ranchangan kemajuan lima tahun peringkat ini sa-buah bangunan sekolah kehutanan di-jadualkan pem benaan itu dalam tahun 1964.
Sekolah yang ada itu hanya-lah sa-jenis sekolah sahaja dalam negeri ini memberikan latehan kapada pegawai2 hutan tem- patan peringkat dua dan tiga, dan juga kapada pegawai2 dalam wilayah Brunai di-masa dahulu dan sekarang ini juga bertanggong-jawab bagi melatehkan pegawai2 hutan dari Sarawak, hingga pada masa Sarawak mengadakan se kolah saperti itu bersendirian.
Pada masa ini sekolah itu mempunyai tiga buah bangunan yang berasingan dan manakala siap bangunan yang baharu itu kelak semua bahagian2 yang ber- taboran itu akan di-tempatkan di- sa-buah bangunan sahaja.

Kepala kechil 22 mengenai kemajuan Taman Negara dan kepala 23 menge nai Taman Negara Binatang itu telah juga di-masokkan ka-bawah ranchangan kemajuan bahagian jabatan hutan.
Manakala pada masa yang lepas itu terletak di-bawah kepala kechil 16 dan 19 kapada ranchangan Kementerian Pembangunan Luar Bandar, wang sa- jumlah $99,815 telah di-untokkan bagi mengelokkan Taman Negara yang tujuan-nya untok menarek banyak lagi pelanchong2 yang datang dari luar negeri, dan wang sa-jumlah $400,000 akan di-gunakan bagi untok menyem- purnakan meluaskan ranchangan Taman Binatang di-peringkat pengha- bisan.
Bahagian perkhidmatan haiwan wang sa-jumlah $2,195,470 telah di-untokkan bagi perkhidmatan haiwan dalam tahun 1964 ini.
Sa-bahagian besar daripada peruntokan di-belanjakan itu akan bagi peroject pembangunan serta mem- perluaskan pusat2 perkhidmatan rumah2 pegawai dan kaki-tangan serta juga bagi menjalankan ranchangan ternakan kambing, lembu dan babi serta ayam, saperti pada tahun2 yang lepas ran changan ternakan kambing akan terus di-jalankan sa-jumlah dan wang $68,000 telah di-untokkan bagi ran changan ini.
Wang sa-jumlah $1,714,575 telah di- untokkan bagi ranchangan2 kemajuan yang akan di-jalankan oleh Jabatan Hutan dalam tahun 1964 ini.

Sa-lain daripada itu Jabatan Haiwan juga telah mengadakan beberapa ba nyak pusat2 haiwan di-tempat2 yang terpenchil bagi memberi kesenangan 5003 11 JANUARY 1964 5004 yang lebeh kapada pendudok2 di-luar bandar.
Sir, under Head 167 of the Malaysia Development Estimates, 1964, Honour able Members will see that the Depart ment of Agriculture in Sabah has been provided with a sum of $230,216.

Agriculture is a State subject, and for 1964 Federal funds will only be required for the continuation of C D. and W. schemes.

The only scheme still existing is Sub-head 1, Tawau Settle ment Scheme.
This scheme provides for the settlement, on rich land the vicinity of Tawau, of landless settlers from west coast and interior residencies.

About 50 families have already been settled in the pilot scheme, and the scheme is now being expanded to pro vide for assistance to an additional 50 families.

in Sub-head Settlement 2, Tawau Scheme (Supplementary).
This scheme has not been attracting settlers at the expected rate while there has also been criticism by settlers that the conditions of the scheme are no longer generous enough compared with other opportu nities.

Following an enquiry, it has been following that improvements should be made in the terms of the scheme: accepted the (2) It (1) Houses provided for settlers should be of an improved type.

(This will increase the cost of each house by $900.)
is proposed settlers already their houses should be paid cash to carry out the work, whilst houses for new settlers would be built to the new design.

The scheme should pay a storekeeper for a period of three years.

in occupation of that (3) Subsistence grant should be made for two years in all with a full rate being payable for 12 months instead of 6 months and half rate for 12 months as at present.
(The rates of subsistence are: adults, full rate $18 per month; children, 10 to 14 years, full rate $12 per month; than 10 years, full rate of $6 per month.

This is necessary because settlers less taking are than antici longer pated to get a cash return from the land.)

The proposals will cost $120,000; and had Sabah remained a colony, applica tions would have been submitted for Supplementary C D. and W. funds to meet 90 per cent of the cost of the proposals.
This amount is now pro posed for inclusion in the 1964 Federal Estimates as a charge on the British grant to Malaysia.

Now, 1 come to Sarawak.

Honour able Members will note that, under Heads 188, 189, 190, 191 and 192 of the 1964 Malaysia Development Esti mates, a provision of $12,791,789 has been entered as developmental expen diture for the Departments of Agri culture, Drainage Irrigation, Fisheries, Forestry and Veterinary Ser vices.
1 will now deal briefly with estimates of each Department in the order that I have mentioned them.

and Head 188, Agriculture— Sub-head I—Agricultural Research (R. 1004 and R. 1004A)—A provision of $112,026 is for the completion of an existing approved C D. and W. scheme.

the this title of Sub-head 2—Sir, in this Sub-head the Development Esti mates for Sarawak reads "Agricultural (1963 Programme)."
The Research programme is actually meant for the period 1964 to 1968, and title should therefore be amended to read "Agricultural Research (1964/1968 Programme)".

This subhead is actually for the continuation and expansion of the existing programme of agricultural research with particular emphasis on research for new economic crops.

The initial in 1964 covers provision stages of a new agricultural research block, institutional housing, purchase of farm machinery and equipment, and laboratory equipment.
the the largest second Sub-head 3, Coconut Planting—This is agricultural scheme—the largest being the Rubber Planting Scheme—and is aimed at planting 50,000 acres of coconut in the next five years.

The 1964 provision 5005 11 JANUARY 1964 5006 covers subsidies to planters, housing for staff and transportation.

and rural pursuits Sub-head 5, Farm Institute—An In stitute for training of young people in agricultural is already in existence in Long Lama.
The provision is contained for run ning expenses for these institutes and also for expenditure on a new institute probably in the Second Division to be opened in 1966.

Sub-head 6, Agricultural Station— Three new agricultural stations in the Third, Fourth and Fifth Divisions are proposed.

Work on all these will be started in 1964.

Sub-head 7, Farmers' Courses—It has been found that short courses for their wives are both farmers and popular and of value the rural to economy.
It is intended that the scope and variety of these courses should be extended.

The provision is made in the Estimates and travelling expenses for those under going courses.

to cover transport Sub-head 8, Women's Institute— Women's Institutes, which were intro duced in Sarawak in 1962, are proving of considerable value in broadening the outlook of women in the rural areas.

The provision is contained for expansion of work in this field.
Sub-head 9, Agricultural Exten sion—This provision is for housing for the agricultural extension staff and for purchase of transport and equipment.

Sub-head 10, Mobile Publicity Units—Now that the road access to more of the rural areas is possible, it is desirable to make use of this for agricultural extension work, and a new scheme is included for mobile publi-.

city units.

Provision is made for pur chase of vehicles and equipment.
the existing Sub-head 11, Assistance to Padi Planters—This is a continuation and expansion of scheme whereby assistance is given to enable padi planters to improve their land.

This scheme is for areas of less than 300 acres, larger schemes being under taken directly by Government rather than on a subsidy basis.

has Sub-head 12, Padi Fertiliser Sub sidy—The Research Branch of the now Agricultural Department established the fertiliser application for hill padi can produce economic return.
In order to encourage farmers to make use of this new discovery, distribution of fertilisers would be subsidised in the initial period; after which, it is hoped that padi planters will the benefits and be prepared to purchase the fertilisers themselves.

realise Sub-head 13, Fruit Production—This is a continuation of existing scheme for the production of high quality planting materials.
Sub-head 14, Farm Development— The scheme is designed to encourage sound farming practices by the pro vision of subsidies in cash and kind for pigs, goats, calves and fruit trees.

It is envisaged that in the initial years the scheme will be confined to develop ment of areas and largely administered through the extension scheme.
Sub-head 15, Farm Mechanisation— The main object of this scheme is for the purchase of farm machinery by the Agricultural Department to enable it to be tested out in Sarawak conditions and this scheme to be continued and expanded.

Sub-head 16, Pepper Quality Certifi cation—This scheme is for the pur chase of capital equipment, such as moisture meters, which are required to test the quality of pepper.
Sub-head 17, Vehicles, Boats, etc.— In order to accomplish the substan tially increased amount of work, the Agricultural Department will require considerable addition to its transport equipment.

Head 189—Drainage and Irrigation— Sub-head 1 is for Equipment for Surveys.

Sub-head 2, Plant and Equip ment.

Provision is made in 1964 for the purchase of plant and equipment for the initial stages of two schemes— Sub-heads 3 and 4.
Sub-head 3, Kaboing/Grigat Drainage Scheme, Stage I and Sub-head 4, Mid Sadong Drainage Scheme, Stage I: The Drain age and Irrigation Branch of the 5007 11 JANUARY 1964 5008 Public Works Department has carried out a number of surveys for drainage schemes.

In most cases there are still somp land problems to be settled and it will also be necessary for Govern ment to make an economic appraisal in each case.
It the initial stages of these two schemes can be carried out in 1964. is hoped that Head 190—Fisheries— the culture of Sub-head 1, Freshwater Fisheries— The Freshwater Fisheries Division has made considerable progress in improv ing fishing ponds throughout the country.

This scheme is to provide for the continuation and expansion of the services given by this Division and subsidy for new ponds construction.

It to initiate brackish water fisheries deve lopment under this scheme.
intended is also Head 191—Forestry— Sub-head 1, Timber Research and Technical Training Centre—This is for the continuation of work on the centre for which equipment has been pur chased in 1963.

Head 192—Veterinary— Sub-head 1, Buffalo Training—This is a continuation of an existing scheme, the object of which is to improve the cultivation of padi by the provision of trained buffalos at a price which the cultivator can afford.

Sub-head 2, Pig Production.


The aim of this scheme is to improve the strain of local pigs by the introduction of suitable stock from elsewhere.

Sir, I beg to move.

ada-lah Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji Muda: Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak berchakap berkenaan dengan Meng- galakkan Persatuan Peladang di-Sub- Head 26 yang di-untokkan sa-banyak bersama2 $150,000.
Saya dengan Yang Berhormat Menteri ini erti-nya dan besar bahawa besar ini faedah-nya Persatuan Peladang untok kemajuan bagi kehidupan mereka sendiri sa-bagai peladang dalam negeri ini, tetapi apa yang saya hendak minta kapada pehak Yang Berhormat Menteri itu ia-lah supaya arahan2 berkenaan dengan pelajaran yang mengenai soal kehidupan mereka sa-bagai peladang dan pekerjaan mereka sa-bagai pela dang hendak-lah di-susun dengan rapi dan baik supaya Persatuan Peladang yang ini ada dalam negeri kita tidak-lah merupakan sa-bagai kelab2 tetapi biar-lah benar2 biasa sahaja, merupakan sa-buah Persatuan Peladang yang dapat memberi faedah kapada diri mereka dan masharakat peladang2 itu sendiri.
itu Sa-lain daripada berkenaan dengan soil Survey for Rural Develop ment di-Sub-head 27 dalam Head sa-banyak 130 yang peruntokan-nya pekerjaan Saya minta $141,900.

survey ini di-segerakan tidak saperti biasa yang saya perhatikan kadang2 pekerjaan ini ada kelambatan berlaku, sa-hingga kadang2 kerja2 untok kema juan pembangunan ini terhalang oleh survey kerana penyiasatan ini lambat.
Kalau selalu terganggu dan ini di-sebabkan sa-kira-nya gangguan peruntokan-nya kechil, maka sudah sampai masa-nya pehak Kementerian ini menambah dan membesarkan peruntokan ini.

soil ini $710,000 Sekarang saya hendak berchakap tentang Ranchangan Bantuan Baja Padi di-Sub-head 28.

Saya rasa per tidak untokan yang chukup, dan patut peruntokan ini di-besarkan lagi, terutama di-kawasan yang banyak padi saperti Kedah.

Perlis, termasok Kelantan dan utara Perak negeri Selangor ini.
Di-negeri Kelantan, Tuan Pengerusi, soal baja ini menjadi soal pokok.

Sunggoh pun sa-tengah pehak peladang itu mengadakan baja- tetapi dengan ada-nya nya sendiri, subsidy atau bantuan daripada pehak Kerajaan peng- gunaan baja padi dan menambah lagi hasil itu akan dapat di-rasai dari satu masa ka-satu masa.

ini menggalakkan tanaman padi Sa-lain daripada itu berhubong de ngan Bantuan Baja Kapor untok Tanah di-Kelantan.
Padi Masam Kelat sudah mulai Nampak-nya Kerajaan kapada berhenti memberi bantuan tanah kelat di-Kelantan.
Yang sa-benar-nya, sa- lama ini hasil sa-bahagian besar tanah2 yang masam kelat yang selalu tidak yang masam padi 5009 11 JANUARY 1964 5010 tanah dapat di-tanam padi, tetapi dengan bantuan baja kapor daripada Kerajaan banyak-lah perubahan yang baik dan banyak daripada itu dapat di-tanam padi dengan baik, dan kalau di-teruskan ini akan lagi bantuan dapat-lah kita mengadakan banyak perubahan di-dalam soal tanah padi masam kelat ini.
Sunggoh pun sekarang ini dengan kejayaan, di-rentikan bantuan ini nampak-nya ada gangguan sadikit sa-banyak, dan banyak lagi tanah padi masam kelat yang berkehendakkan bantuan baja kapor ini.

tetapi ada ini Sekarang saya berchakap berkenaan dengan Pemulehan Kebun Buah2an yang di-untokkan sa-banyak $340,100.
Ranchangan bagus, sangat-lah kerana apa yang kita perhatikan bahawa hasil buah2an dalam negeri ini kalau tidak di-kawal dan di-jaga serta di-pulehkan keadaan-nya boleh jadi dari satu masa ka-satu masa hasil buah2an sedang itu akan merusut, keperluan buah2an kapada makanan ra'ayat negeri ini sangat-lah mustahak, sa-hingga boleh di-katakan tiap2 tahun kita tengok banyak buah2an dari luar negeri di-bawa masok ka-dalam negeri ini.
Oleh itu, soal pemulehan pokok2 buah2an ini patut di-hebat dan di- besarkan pehak Yang oleh Berhormat Menteri, terutama di-mana negeri yang banyak kebun buah2an saperti negeri di-sabelah pantai timor.

lagi Sa-mula Penanaman Sa-lain daripada tentang Pemulehan Pokok2 dan Kelapa.
Saya telah bayangkan dalam masa saya berchakap pada dasar-nya tentang mustahak-nya hal sa-malam ini, dan saya harap ini-lah yang dengan wang peruntokan $1,500,000 ranchangan ini dapat di-perluaskan kapada semua negeri yang ada mem- punyai kebun kelapa yang sudah tua yang perlu di-puleh kembali tanah-nya, termasok-lah negeri2 di-pantai timor saperti negeri Kelantan dan negeri2 yang jangan-lah di-tinggalkan Kelantan itu dalam kerja2 pemulehan dan penanaman sa-mula pokok kelapa ini.

juga.
juga.

Jadi lain Di-Kepala 132 dalam Sub-head 56 (v)—Ranchangan Taliayer di-Butiran 1963 tahun Kemubu.

Pada per- untokan-nya $1 juta dan tahun 1964 hanya akan di-belanjakan $800,000.

Saya tidak faham.

Sunggoh pun kita nampak ini ranchangan besar yang memakan belanja sa-banyak $25 juta, tetapi kenapa wang yang di-untokkan bagi ranchangan ini bagi tahun 1964 lebeh kechil daripada wang yang di-untokkan bagi tahun 1963?
Pada tahu kerja awal, asas dan hal kita tahun permulaan di-lakukan dalam 1963 dan wang telah di-habiskan sa-banyak $1 juta itu patut-lah dalam besar2an tahun dapat tidak-lah menasabah di-mulai dan kalau memulakan sa-chara kerja besar2an itu dengan hanya wang sa-banyak $800,000 sahaja.

Ada-kah berma'ana bahawa kerja awal, atau kerja permulaan itu belum sempurna ada-nya sa-hingga menyebabkan di- tambah wang sa-banyak $800,000 lagi?
1964 kerja Muka surat 30, Kepala 134, Pecha- han Kepala 12—Silviculture dalam bahagian Kehutanan.

Nampak-nya ini sangat kechil, Tuan peruntokan Pengerusi, ia-itu sa-banyak $15,000.
Kita tahu bahawa memang negeri kita ini negeri yang penoh dengan hutan rimba, tetapi hendak-lah kita ingat dan faham bahawa satu daripada hasil yang kita dapati dalam negeri kita ini ia-lah hasil kayu2 hutan, kayu2 balak yang sa-bahagian besar-nya di-bawa ka-luar negeri dan ini erti-nya akan dapat menambah lagi hasil, atau hasil mahsul Kerajaan negeri kita ini.

Jadi, dengan ada-nya peruntokan wang yang sa-banyak $15,000 ini, saya rasa kerja Silviculture sempurna.
Banyak sudah hutan2 telah di-bongkar, dan banyak kawasan2 baharu, kawasan yang yang memang di-reservekan dalam kawasan hutan yang mana patut-lah perkara itu di-jaga dan di-awasi betul2 dan per untokan sa-chara besar2an mesti-lah di-untokkan dan mustahak di-adakan.

Peruntokan yang saperti ini, bukan sahaja di-satu tempat kawasan bahkan tempat di-seluroh Tanah di-merata Melayu, yang terutama banyak kawasan hutan rimba yang menjadi, atau merupakan satu daripada dagangan yang besar bagi negeri ini.

Sekian.
Sekian.

di-negeri2 di-bongkar ta' akan sudah itu itu 5011 11 JANUARY 1964 5012 bagi tahun Scheme Dato' Mohamed Hanifah bin Haji Abdul Ghani: Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka hendak berchakap dalam Head 132, sub-head 46 dan sub-head 53.

Saya berasa sangat dukachita, oleh sebab dalam Head 132 ini tidak ada Sungai peruntokan Linggi, Negri Sembilan.
Perkara Sungai Linggi ini telah menyebabkan beberapa ekar tanah sawah yang telah tenggelam yang tidak dapat di-gunakan untok di- tanam padi, dan bagitu juga dalam tiga ini telah menyebabkan empat banjir, oleh sebab tohor-nya Sungai Linggi itu maka timbul-lah banjir yang menyebabkan di-Kampong banjir Rasah ia-itu dalam 11/2 batu daripada bandar Seremban.
Perkara ini pernah di-sampaikan pengetahuan kapada Kerajaan Negri Sembilan pada tahun 1957 atau tahun 1956 dan Kerajaan Negri telah menyampaikan perkara ini kapada Kerajaan Federal, tetapi hingga hari ini belum lagi ada peruntokan wang bagi hendak mendalamkan Sungai Linggi itu, wal hal perkara ini pernah juga saya bangkitkan dalam tahun 1960 dahulu supaya Kerajaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu mengambil berat akan kedudokan Sungai Linggi itu supaya dapat di-dalamkan, ia-itu pertama-nya dapat di-beri keuntongan kapada orang2 kampong, petani2 dalam Mukim Ran- tau yang menyebabkan tanah2 sawah di-sana itu telah di-tenggelamkan oleh ayer yang tidak dapat di-hilirkan ayer itu, oleh sebab Sungai Linggi itu telah tinggi daripada sawah.
Tenggelam-nya sawah2 di-Sungai Linggi itu telah lebeh daripada 15 tahun dan hingga hari ini pun tidak ada satu ranchangan dari pehak Kerajaan untok hendak men itu supaya dalamkan Sungai Linggi membolehkan sawah2 di-situ dapat di- gunakan untok di-tanam padi.

ia-itu tahun sendiri apabila pehak Kerajaan akan menyebabkan tiga empat kali kampong sama kita supaya dapat di-timbangkan hal ini supaya segera dapat di-dalam kan Sungai Linggi itu saperti mana yang telah saya terangkan tadi.
Perkara ini bukan-lah perkara baharu, bahkan perkara lama yang telah bertahun2, dan tidak sa-kira-nya mengambil tahu dalam hal ini, maka harus-lah ke- rosakan2 yang banyak lagi pada tanah2 sawah di-Mukim Rantau itu, bukan itu sahaja bahkan juga akan merosakkan Kampong Rasah sendiri, kerana pada lalu tahun yang sudah sudah itu tenggelam apabila sampai musim hujan yang kuat, dan bagitu juga Bandar sampai Seremban musim hujan yang kuat, maka sa-paroh Bandar Seremban itu di-banjiri oleh ayer; bagitu-lah keadaan-nya dan de ngan sebab itu, saya berasa sangat du- kachita kapada Kementerian ini yang tidak dapat menguntokkan sa-bahagian wang bagi mendalamkan Sungai Linggi itu.
Baharu2 ini kita telah membahath- kan Anggaran Belanjawan bagi tahun ini dan pernah saya membangkitkan soal ini, maka apa yang dapat di-jawab oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama ia-lah dengan mengatakan bahawa Kerajaan sedang menyiasat untok mengukur bagaimana chara-nya hendak mendalamkan Sungai Linggi itu, tetapi sa-patut-nya perkara ini, sa-bagaimana yang saya telah terangkan tadi perkara yang sudah lama yang patut di-ambil berat oleh Kerajaan Federal, maka sa-patut-nya- lah dalam peruntokan Development Estimates ini dapat-lah pehak Menteri itu menguntokkan sa-bahagian wang bagi ranchangan mendalamkan Sungai Linggi itu.
Sekarang ini, Tuan Pengerusi, kalau ia-itu kita melawat ka-kuala sawah chuma tiga empat batu sahaja daripada Pekan Rantau, bukan hanya sawah2 di- tidak dapat di-gunakan untok situ di-tanam padi, bahkan juga masjid di-sawah itu hampir2 hendak tenggelam apabila sampai musim hujan, bagitu juga dengan kubur orang2 Islam yang berhampiran dengan masjid kapada sawah2 itu.
Maka dalam perkara ini, saya berharap kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikati Kerja- Tuan Pengerusi, sa-kira-nya orang2 yang pernah pergi ka-Port Dickson melalui Seremban, melalui' Kampong Rasah dan apabila sampai hujan kuat, maka akan di-dapati banyak kenderaan2 yang tergendala di-Kampong Rasah itu, oleh sebab ayer-nya melempah banjir ka-Kampong Rasah, maka saya berharap kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri ini jangan-lah chuai dalam soal Sungai Linggi ini, bahkan hendak- lah mengambil tindakan segera, kerana kalau lambat, banyak lagi kerosakan2 5013 11 JANUARY 1964 5014 akan beriaku, bukan hanya di-Mukim di-Kampong Rantau Rasah dan Bandar Seremban sendiri.
bahkan juga oleh ikan Tuan Pengerusi, muka 29, Head 133—Fisheries, sub-head 8—Financial Assistance to Fishing Industry.

Kita sedia ma'alum dan tahu bahawa ke- hidupan nelayan2 kita ada-lah susah dan selalu menderita, kerana mereka itu berharap bahawa dalam soal ini sa-patut-nya-lah menangkap pehak Kerajaan, atau pehak Kemen- terian ini memberi pertolongan yang chukop kapada nelayan2 itu supaya dapat mereka itu hidup yang baik dan sederhana.
Hal ini, Tuan Pengerusi, pehak2 telah mulai di-rasa penangkap ikan yang terdiri daripada orang2 asing yang menggunakan motor- boat modern bagi menangkap ikan, tetapi orang2 Melayu maseh lagi keting- galan, maseh lagi menggunakan perahu2 kechil, perahu2 kotak untok menangkap ikan.
Maka dalam hal ini sa-patut-nya- lah pehak Kerajaan dapat memberi per tolongan subsidy kapada mereka itu, jaring2 dan bagitu juga dalam soal jaring2 menangkap menangkap ikan itu selalu-nya menimpa kerosakan apabila di-lakukan untok jaring2 atau menangkap ikan dan pukat2 ini harga-nya mahal, dan sa- kira-nya pehak Kerajaan tidak dapat memberi bantuan kapada nelayan2 ini, maka harus-lah nelayan2 ini akan ketinggalan hidup-nya saperti sedia lebeh2 lagi sa-bagaimana yang kala, kita sedia ma'alum bahawa apabila musim hujan, nelayan2 ini tidak dapat pergi ka-laut untok menangkap ikan maka dengan hal yang demikian kehidupan mereka itu sangat-lah susah, dan ini terpulang-lah kapada pehak Kerajaan sendiri yang mahu melihat ra'ayat-nya mendapat taraf hidup yang tinggi untok memberi bantuan yang chukop kapada nelayan2 itu.
kerana ikan, Sekian-lah, Tuan Pengerusi.

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Tuan Pengerusi, saya tidak berhajat hendak menjawab satu2 soalan yang di-bawa oleh Ahli2 Yang Berhormat tadi, chuma berbanyak terima kaseh di-atas segala perkara2 yang di-bawa oleh Ahli2 Yang Berhor mat itu.

Ada dua tiga butir sahaja uchapkan saya yang saya suka hendak sebutkan ia-itu jawapan kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pasir Mas Hulu berkenaan dengan Ranchangan Sungai Linggi.
Saya suka memberi pengakuan bahawa perkara ini akan di-siasat dan sa-lepas itu satu plan kena-lah di-sediakan bagi rancha ngan itu.

Saperti mana yang saya sebutkan keadaan di-Sungai Linggi itu ia-lah keadaan yang berlaku di-situ dengan sebab ayer yang keluar itu lombong2 bijeh datang-nya daripada yang berdekatan di-situ.

Saya perchaya lepas kita membuat penyiasatan kelak, dapat-lah kita menimbangkan ada-kah dapat kita mengadakan scheme itu de ngan sa-berapa chepat yang boleh.
Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pasir Puteh ada bertanya, apa-kah sebab-nya kekurangan wang peruntokan bagi Ranchangan Kemubu pada tahun ini.

Sa-benar-nya pada masa tingkatan ini, kita chuma membuat plan, membuat juga menyiapkan survey sahaja dan plan bagi itu.

Dengan ranchangan sebab itu ada-lah di-jangka wang sa- banyak $800,000 ini chukop bagi mem- bayar kapada pakar2 atau pun sharikat yang telah menjalankan survey dan juga menyiapkan plan bagi ranchangan itu.
Ada-lah di-jangka bahawa Ranchangan itu akan dapat di-mulakan Kemubu dalam tahun 1965.

Berkenaan dengan Soil Survey, saya suka memberitahu kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat itu bahawa kelambatan kita menyiapkan Soil Survey itu ia-lah di- sebabkan kekurangan pegawai2, tetapi ada-lah di-jangka apabila sampai pada tahun 1967 semua sekali tanah2 dalam kawasan Malaya ini akan habis di- survey-kan. Berkenaan dengan Lime Subsidy kata-nya apa-kah sebab yang kita tidak buat lagi.
Perkara ini sudah menjadi State Scheme, dan jikalau Ahli Yang Berhormat itu, saya perchaya, dia menjadi Ahli Exco Negeri Kelantan, apabila balek di-sana nanti, boleh-lah bertanya bahawa sekarang ini Kerajaan Negeri sudah ambil balek.

Bukan kita tidak mahu, tetapi dia minta balek.

Berkenaan dengan buah2an saperti mana yang saya telah terang, saya akan tahun 1964 ini sa- mengishtiharkan bagai tahun bagi menggalakkan ra'ayat 5015 11 JANUARY 1964 5016 kita bagi mengeluarkan lebeh banyak lagi buah2an tempatan.
Juga berkenaan dengan Ranchangan Menanam Sa-mula Kelapa, ada-lah di-jangkakan bahawa dalam tahun ini juga dapat kita mulakan ranchangan permulaan bagi kawasan pantai timor.
Kemudian lain2 perkara; saya ingat tidak payah-lah, tinggal lagi saya suka hendak sebutkan di-sini kerana saya tidak dapat berpeluang semalam ia-itu berkenaan dengan Ahli Yang Berhor- mat itu suka saya menarek perhatian- nya, bagi pehak Kerajaan sunggoh pun dia mengaku mereka anak tiri kita, saya ini belum menikah lagi dengan orang Kelantan.
Jadi saya sebutkan, ranchangan2 dalam Kemen- bahawa terian saya sendiri kalau tuan2 bacha dalam Estimates kita ini memang ba nyak penyediaan atau peruntokan yang di-buat bagi menjalankan scheme2 di- dalam negeri Kelantan itu sendiri sung goh pun Kelantan itu mengaku diri mereka anak tiri kita, terima kaseh.

of sums $34,342,278 Question put, and agreed to.


The for Heads 130 to 135 inclusive, $230,216 for Head 167 and $6,577,877 for Heads 188 to 192 inclusive agreed to stand part of the Development Estimates, 1964.

Enche' Yong Woo Meng (Sitiawan): Sir, may I ask for a clarification from the Minister of Agriculture?

Mr Chairman: It is too late now!

the You can go and see him after meeting is over.
Heads 136 to 140; 142 and 144; 171 to 174; 193 to 197; 207 and 208— The Minister of Works, Posts and (Dato9 Y. T. Telecommunications Sambanthan): Mr Chairman, Sir, with your permission, I would like to intro duce all the Heads under my Ministry for is, the whole of Malaysia—that Heads 136 to 140; Heads 142 and 144; Heads 171 to 174 (Sabah); Heads 193 to 197 (Sarawak); and Heads 207 and 208 (Singapore)—with a total direct expenditure of $176,276,755 and loan item of $35,832,515 making a grand total of $212,059,270.
This amount, Sir, represents a very big allocation in the to the many needs of Development Estimates for 1964, and it is indicative of the importance which the Alliance Government places on catering the people in the provision of roads, water supplies, bridges, telephone and postal services.
Indeed, this sum mentioned by me is not indicative of the full mea sure of work that is carried out for it is also the responsibility of this Ministry to carry out the building programmes for Education, Health Armed Forces and other Departments.

total expenditure Beginning with Head 136—Postal Services—a of $2,056,835 is sought.

The Postal Ser vices Department has maintained a steady and continuous expansion of its services facilities to provide postal both in the urban and rural areas.
In 1963 five new Post Offices were opened, six Mobile Post Offices were purchased and have commenced operation.

Two Reverine Postal Agencies were also inaugurated and one more will be inaugurated at Kota Tinggi very shortly.

Altogether 40 Postal Agencies were opened throughout the country.
In 1964 work will commence on 15 new Post Offices at Bukit Mertajam, Maxwell Road, Penang; Ringlet, Pantai Remis, Ulu Tiram, Kapar, Grisek, Temangan, Kemaman, Parit Raja, Sentul, Bungsar Road; Sungei Buloh, Benta and one major Project at Kuala Trengganu.

Work on two other projects, at Klang North and Sungei Patani which should have started in 1963, will now com mence in 1964.

Four projects started in 1963 at Pengarang, Kangar, Pekan and Rasa will also be completed in 1964.
A sum of $128,022 is requested for the additional vehicles and postal equipment which will have to be pur chased, and a provision of $148,920 is asked for under sub-head 38.

By the end of 1964 it is expected that there will be 230 Post Offices, 482 Postal Agencies, 51 Mobile Post Offices and 4 Riverine Postal Agencies in operation.

For Head 137—Roads and Bridges, I am requesting a total expenditure improving of $81,922,158.

Work on is still the main North-South Road proceeding.
Construction of the Prai 5017 11 JANUARY 1964 5018 Bridge and calling for tender for a causeway at Juru to replace the single- way bridge will take place early in 1964.

Improvement work on the tor tuous section of the road on the Mantin Pass will be completed early in 1964, and work is in hand on realigning the unsatisfactory stretch of road imme diately south of Kuala Lumpur and that immediately north of Segamat.

Having touched on Sub-head 1,I would now like to say a few words on sub head 2.
Improvements to the alignment and pavement between Kuala Lumpur and Kuantan will continue.

A consider able amount of work has already been done and will continue between Kuan- tan and Maran.

With the establishment of new crushing machinery and premix set-up at Bukit Ubi Quarry at Kuantan, the problem of obtaining large quanti ties of stone will be overcome.

All bridges, which were under construction in 1963, are either completed or are nearing completion.
Work on the few remaining bridges has been duly phased in 1964.

As regards sub-head 3, despite construction difficulties, I am glad to say that work on the replacement of the East Cost Bridges has progressed extremely well.

Chukai and Paka Bridges have been completed and opened to traffic, and Kemaman Bridge will be completed early in 1964.

The remaining bridges at Dungun and Marang are expected to be completed by the middle and Kuala Trengganu during the latter part of 1964.
The pavement on is being strengthened to carry heavy traffic.

this Route is The construction of the 2 bridges at Pontian these are in hand, and expected to be completed by November, 1964.

Improvements will continue to be made to the pavement and alignment of the West Coast Road in Johore.

I am glad to say that work will commence on the two major bridges at Muar and Batu Pahat in 1964.

Tenders have already been called, and we should know in a couple of months and the work will commence thereafter.
The funds required under sub-head 6 are meant for the Slim River Deviation and Pekan-Batu Balik Road.

The Slim River Deviation between Tanjong Malim and Slim River has been completed, except for the surfacing.

This section will be opened to traffic in early 1964.

I am very thankful to the Canadian Government for undertaking a feasi bility survey of the proposed East West Highway.

This survey under Canadian Highway Colombo Plan Aid has been completed and the report has just been received.
Most of the projects under the American Development Loan Fund will be completed except for a few bridges and some paving works on the Gunong Kriang Road which will continue in 1964.

On the East-Coast the Tanah Puteh Bridge in Pahang was completed and opened in 1963.

The Kuala Lumpur-Klang Road is virtually completed except for a short stretch approaching Klang Town.

I would like to express our thanks to the American Government for this loan.
During 1963 some 400 miles of Rural Roads were completed and in 1964 further roads will be constructed.

Work will also continue in 1964 on the surfacing and the improvement drainage of Local Council and New Village Roads, for which a total of $5 million has been entered.

to Under Grants-in-aid to Municipality for Capital Works on Roads, the most significant project, which was carried out in 1963, was a complete traffic survey of Kuala Lumpur.
It is intended to prepare proposals to meet future traffic problems and to plan for short and long term remedies.

This traffic survey report is scheduled for comple tion early in 1964.

In former (54) the field of Water Supplies— Head 138—the provision sought for 1964 amounts to $7,505,227.

These are described as "direct" items of expendi ture and $34,955,000 are "loan" items.
includes $6,714,000 as The item for provision of water supplies to Federal Land Development Authority Schemes leaving a balance of $791,227 as Item (18) for continua tion works for the original Klang Gates the 60 Water Supply Scheme.

Of F.L.D.A.

Water Supply Schemes, 6 fully treated water supplies have been completed in 1963 as against 1 in 1962, whilst 9 other schemes are being supplied with partially treated piped 5019 11 JANUARY 1964 5020 water as pro-tem measures.
In addi schemes are under tion, 29 such construction and that it is expected 23 of them will be completed in 1964.

The provision sought for under "Loan" item for 1964 represents the estimated phased expenditure necessary to imple ment for which loans have already been nego tiated except Items (63) (iii), (iv) and (v).

loan projects the various Now, I would like to proceed to the Public Works Plant, Head 140, where the provision sought is $4,081,833.
Plant for Centralised Quarries requires final allocation of $3,095,492 in 1964.

This is to cover cost for works in hand for which payment will be made in 1964 and for completion of all installa tions, and for bringing the quarries into production.

It is anticipated that with the Central Quarries becoming all operational in 1964, the Department would, in future, effect a saving on the cost of purchasing coated stone as indicated in Lunchoo Quarry in Johore now being compiled by the Colombo Plan Expert.
the Department It approximately produce $12.64 coated stone inclusive of capital expen diture as compared with $25 to $35 for a premix product previously purchased in Singapore.

is now costing costing figures from to to like I would now touch on Head 142—Government Housing.

A sum of $2,000,000 requested for under Federal Labour Lines is for the con programme tinuation for the of improvement to and replacement of sub-standard labour lines.
During the sum of almost past $8,000,000 has been spent for this purpose.

five years a I would now come to Head 144— I Telecommunications—under which seek a total provision of $22,770,391.

The Telecommunications Department maintained in 1963, and even greater expansion is envisaged for 1964.
This can be seen from the total development expendi ture of $22.7 million proposed, com pared with $16.3 million for 1963. its rate of expansion Before I I proceed any would like to mention a few highlights of 1963 within the general programme further, in the of extending the Telephone Network the country.

In January, throughout 1963, Seremban and Malacca Ex changes were successfully converted to Automatic Working with a considerable element of Subscriber Trunk Dialling plans.
The incorporated surrounding Exchange subscribers were also enabled to dial each other by themselves, and these two areas are more fully automated than any other part of the country.

At the other end of the scale, Baling Manual Exchange, the type exchanges, was converted to a Modern Automatic Exchange.

the old Magneto last of for Sungei Patani The New Automatic Exchange Buildings and Taiping are complete and will be commissioned soon.
At the same time, the installation of Microwave Systems between Kuala Lumpur, Ipoh, Penang, Sungei Patani and Alor Star will, I am pleased to say, although they have fully extended the Department's resources, be in service very shortly.

of point interest Another to Honourable Members is the introduc tion of the Selangor Radiophone Service based in Kuala Lumpur.
With the introduction of this service, execu tives will be able to anywhere in the country through the their Kuala Lumpur Exchange from motor cars, whilst the move.

they are on telephone to for for Penang For the year 1964 a High Frequency Radio Link is to be installed between Penang and Bangkok, which will be partly financed by Australia under the Colombo Plan.

I would like to thank the Australian Government this aid.
Subscriber Trunk Dialling will be introduced in February this year and that for Sungei Patani in March of the same year.

Subscriber Trunk Dialling for Ipoh and Taiping will be introduced in the latter part of the year.

Operation Trunk Mechanisa is tion, whereby only one operator required to complete a call to any automatic telephone in the country, will be completed in 1964 and this facility increase efficiency should materially the benefits of from quite apart Subscriber Trunk Dialling.
5021 11 JANUARY 1964 5022 In the rural areas for the provision of rural call offices, a sum of $1,000,000 is to be spent under sub-head 53.

This will probably bring the total of rural call offices to 1,200 by the end of 1964, which is an increase of about ten-fold of the 1957 figure.

The Singapore-Jesselton-Hongkong section of the South-East Asia Common wealth Telephone Cable (SEACOM) will be complete at the end of 1964, or early 1965.
This will provide ade quate high quality circuits between Singapore, Jesselton and Hongkong, and provide a solid communication link between Sabah and the capital of Malaysia all day and every day.
In the meantime, an improved radio link has been installed between Singapore and Sydney two direct to provide telephone circuits, Singapore-London, circuits and switched at Sydney which will give service to Australia, New Zealand, North America and Europe between six in the morning and midnight on each week day instead of for a few hours each day as at present.

two other telephone Finally, under Malaya, I wish to give some details about the new Sub called Television Programme head Circuits.
These circuits link the Televi sion studios in Kuala Lumpur to the television transmitters maintained by Telecommunications Departments not only in Kuala Lumpur but to those which are shortly going to be installed to cover almost the whole of the West Coast between Kangar in the north to Singapore in the south.
The circuits will be carried by the Telecommunica tions microwave already established, or due to complete shortly, and as these microwave systems are extended to the East Coast, the extension of television to the East Coast will become practicable.

The Telecommunications Department is currently planning and surveying mic rowave to Kuantan, Kuala Trengganu and Kota Bharu.
The Television transmitters will be, in most cases, on existing Telecommunications hill-top sites and will, at least for the present, be maintained by the Tele communications Department on behalf soon as systems routes to be of Television Malaysia.

I would also like to mention here that I am seeking a provision of $200,000 on Television Bearers under Head 208, Sub-head 9, of Singapore Development Estimates, 1964.
This is for the terminal of the Programme Circuits so as to enable inter television programmes changed between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore.

At this stage, it would not be out of place for me to anticipate a time in the future when we will be television pro able grammes with our northern neighbour, Thailand.

Television would then be a great ambassador for the spread of culture between Thailand and West Malaysia.
With microwave now being initiated in Sabah and Sarawak, there will be a time when television will be a possibility in these areas also.

The Telecommunication Department is deeply honoured by the services it has been its able microwave network.

interchange through render to to respect of Sabah amounting Sir, I now come to Heads 171 to 174 to in $10,450,551.
With time running out, with our having tired the sun with our talking all day long, and without wishing to chase the sun further, I shall very briefly mention a few highlights.

station, initiative of the Department The first microwave link in Sabah will be brought into service in 1964 between Jesselton and the radio station at Kamburangoh on Mount Kinabalu.
This the establishment of which is a great credit to the foresight and in Sabah, serves as a relay point for trunk communication to most of Sabah, and the provision of the microwave link will vastly improve trunk communica tions to Labuan, Sandakan and Tawau and via the new multi-channel V.H.F.

installed at Lahad system Datu.

For 1964 the Jesselton Telephone Exchange will be extended and there will be further improvements.

recently 172—Roads Under Head and Bridges—a total sum of $4,467,500 is required.
In 1963 there were heavy rains which caused extensive damage to roads, river banks and buildings.

Much of the Department's efforts had to be deployed on to flood damage 5023 11 JANUARY 1964 5024 the Jesselton which caused great delays in normal works.

One road, to Kota Belud road was so damaged that repairs are still in hand.

Several major diversions had also to be made due to the severe slips on the hilly sections.
Despite the heavy rains, the Sandakan- Jesselton road reach the Labuk River, 87 miles from Sandakan, and a start July from reaching from Jesselton by Malaysia Day.

in a point 13 miles Jesselton was made is The road projects for 1964 are of a continuation of the Colonial Develop ment and Welfare Schemes.

One of the schemes the construction of Jesselton/Papar Road, which is the first chain in the link of road communica tions from Jesselton towards the south.
The length of this road is approxi mately 24 miles and formation work the has already been completed for first 20 miles.

The road is being con structed to class 1-E-l which is 30' formation with gravelled surface.

We will also continue in 1964 on the expansion of feeder roads to link up with major roads and to open new areas for settlement.

link between On west coast, Ranau Road scheme, I would like to mention that there is at present a road the west coast and Ranau.
The technical advice on this road has been to the effect that it is incapable of develop ment beyond a class II road.

The route will the Sandakan- Jesselton road, and with the develop ment of Ranau and upper Labuk a class inadequate.

road will be Included in this scheme is the construc tion of a road to Ranau following a new route.

form part of II Sir, I now come to Heads 193 to 197 in respect of Sarawak which has provisions of $26,688,788 as direct expenditure and $877,515 as loan item.
Here also, I would like to mention a few highlights.

Since 1958, 285 miles leaving of roads have been finished 145 miles completed.
still Mechanical Road Constructional Units the at present operating on are following the in First Division; Undup Valley Spur and roads: Bau-Lunde to be Engkilili-Saratok in the Second Divi sion; Saratok-Jakar, Kelupu/Julau Durin, Sibu/Ulu Oya, and Tanggi Spur in the Third Division; Bintulu/ Sibiew and Lambir/Subis in the Fourth Division; and Lawas/Lawas Damit in the Fifth Division.
In 1964, work will continue on the completion of these projects and in addition work will be started on new feeder roads in each division under the 1964/1968 Develop ment Plan.

It is also hoped to make an early start on the construction of the Miri/Bintulu of which the Lambir/Subis Road now under construction is a part.
Secondary Road to Under Water Supplies, I would like to make expression of the fact that construction of purification works at Bintulu and Limbang is now substan tially complete, and it is expected that these supplies will be commissioned early this year.

The Miri water supply has been extended the Krokop Estate, and water will become available to consumers as soon as connections are made.

At Simanggang, work on the construction of the Batang Lupar intake is well in hand.
Fluoridation to several introduced.

Construction of purification works and systems at Government distribution secondary schools at Bau, Saratok, Kanowit and Limbang and main exten sion to Marudi Secondary School from the town supply have been commis sioned.

towns has been like Coming now to Telecommunications, Sir, I would to make special mention of a small item here.
Con siderable progress has been made in 1963 in improving and extending the telephone network in Sarawak, and a radio survey will be carried out this year to provide an adequate "back bone" route, linking the main town of Sarawak and extending to Sabah.

To accomplish the provision of an adequate road network will be a major engineering achieve ment and a difficult system to main tain, but I am sure that it can be accomplished.
I should like to state the possibility of that a survey of introducing microwave in system Sarawak will be undertaken in 1964. in advance of this 5025 11 JANUARY 1964 5026 adequate for more This is necessary in view of the great circuits need throughout Sarawak.

Meanwhile Multi- channel V.H.F.

equipment displaced by our new microwave here, in Malaya, can possibly be re-deployed in Sarawak and materially assist to pro vide at least an interim "backbone" route.
Lastly, I must make special mention of the provision in 1963 of a High Frequency Radio call service with base stations at Miri, Sibu and Simanggang which will provide communications to remote locations where equipment will be owned and operated by private users.

For Singapore, Sir, a sum of $8,885,860 is required.

The details are listed in the Development Estimates.

I beg to move.

(Applause).


tentang Orang Tuan Mohamed Dara Lang- pad (Sabah): Tuan Pengerusi, saya mahu berchakap sadikit berkenaan dengan hal jalan raya dan jambatan.

Ada pun perbelanjaan yang telah di- untokkan di-Sabah oleh Kerajaan sa- terus-nya oleh Kementerian yang ber kenaan ini, saya uchapkan berbanyak2 ribuan terima kaseh.

Saya suka hendak menerangkan dua sadikit tempat di-Sabah ia-itu di-Simpuna dan Lahad Dato.
Orang2 di-tempat itu telah merayu kapada Kerajaan berkenaan lebeh jambatan, barangkali dengan kurang sudah tiga tahun, tetapi saya perchaya Kerajaan bukan-lah tidak mengadakan jambatan di-tempat2 itu, tetapi, Tuan Pengerusi, yang sa-benar- nya Kerajaan mengatakan perbelan tidak ada.
Jadi, perbelanjaan jaan fikir mustahil Kerajaan ini, saya tidak menchadangkan kalau wang chukup, saya fikiran tetapi pada kalau dapat Kerajaan menambahkan lagi, kerana saya kira satu2 jambatan yang di-buat sadikit peruntokan-nya.
Ini belum lagi saya jalan cheritakan berkenaan dengan tentang raya, chuma saya terangkan jambatan fikir sahaja, tidak-lah saya hendak memanjangkan uchapan saya, hanya saya merayu kapada Kerajaan dan kapada Ke menterian yang berkenaan supaya per belanjaan yang di-untokkan di-Sabah itu bukan-lah tetapi saya untok itu dapat di-tambah lagi.

Terima kaseh.
jalan raya dan jambatan Dr Burhanuddin bin Mohamed Noor (Besut): Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak bertanya sahaja ia-itu dahulu pada masa pembukaan Persidangan Persa- tuan Parlimen Commonwealth (Com monwealth Parliamentary Association Conference) memang telah di-adakan Post Office di-sini, jadi kalau dapat juga di-fikirkan satu sub-Post Office di-sini, saya fikir itu ada baik-nya, dan ini ada-lah tanda yang menunjokkan Parlimen ini men- jadi satu kesukaan kapada penchinta2 stem di-teruskan untok Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: Mr Chair man.
Sir, I will consider the suggestion of the Member from Sabah and in regard to the opening of a Sub-Post Office, we will certainly provide one in future.

Question put, and agreed to.


The sum of $130,201,557 total the sum of under Column 9 and $34,955,000 under Column 10 for Heads 136-140, 142 and 144; the total sum of $10,450,551 for Heads 171 174; the total sum of $26,688,787 under Column 8 and the sum of $877,515 under Column 9 for Heads 193-197 and the total sum of $8,885,860 for Heads 207 and 208 agreed to stand part of the Development Estimates, 1964.
Heads 145 to 149: 177, 178; 198 to 200; and 209 and 210— Mr Chairman: I now propose that the sum of $40,212,026 under Ministry of Transport for Heads 145 to 149, 177, 178, 199, 200, 209 and 210 be approved.

of Federal Departments The Minister of Transport (Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Mr Chairman, Sir, I rise to present the 1964 Development Estimates in res pect in Malaya, Sabah, Sarawak and Singa pore under my Ministry comprising Heads 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 177, 178.
198, 199, 200, 209 and 210 totalling $40,212,026, out of which $7,247,000 are loans to the Malayan Railway Administration, Port Swet- the Penang tenham Authority and 5027 11 JANUARY 1964 5028 Port Commission.

With your per to mission, Sir, I shall gether.

Sir, being second last in this budget, I would just like to take five minutes.
them take just to enable 145, Malayan I would Railways— Head $5,847,000: to like mention that, with regard to Sub-head 19 and Sub-head 40, these two amounts have been entered the Malayan Railways to contribute to wards the cost of a new Joint Rail way Station at Sungei Golok.

This contribution is in accordance with the terms of the Joint Agreement between the Malayan Railways and the Thai State Railways—and the P.M.I.P.
Members here will appreciate that the Alliance Government is doing something for the borderline between Kelantan and Thailand.

hope I Under Sub-head 38, a sum of $4,000,000 has been entered in order to supplement the Malayan Railways in respect of its project to extend the railway line to Butterworth in order to improve the economic position of the Malayan Railways by taking this line to the industrial areas of Butter- worth.

Now, I come to Sub-head 41.


The amount of $736,000 under this Sub head is to make provision for the cost of further conversion of wagons and the purchase of twenty new wagons.

I I come to Head 146, Ports (Malaya)—$1,614,874: the think items under this Head are all clearly explained in the Estimates except that the amount of $400,000 in Sub-head 4 has been retention entered, being money to be paid to the contractor.
Head 198, Ports (Sarawak)— $913,260: All items under this Head are for the continuation of existing approved schemes.

Sub-head 1 is for the completion of a new godown and a launch wharf at Sibu.

The remaining Sub-heads are for wharves and landing ramps.

at that the the out 1964.

The civil engineering con 31st of terminates tract December, 1964, and terminal contract at 16th March, 1965.

It is expected the project will be completed and brought into use by the middle of 1965.
The sum of $20 million is, therefore, required in 1964 to provide for progress payment for existing contracts and for electrical and other contracts which will be entered into during the year.

larger aircraft Under Sub-head 31, the introduction of requires a higher standard of fire fighting services in the aerodrome.

A sum of $390,000 under to this Sub-head meet the cost of six vehicles and equipment for the purpose.

is required Sir.
is required Sir.

coming (Sabah)—$2,547,830 to Head 177, Civil Sub Aviation heads 1 and 2 are for the continuation existing and of completion approved schemes for improve ment of the airstrips at Lahad Datu and Tawau.

the the Jesselton Sub-head 3 is for improvement to Jesselton Aerodrome.

is the Capital of Sabah and the obvious point for the terminus of a fast ser Singapore, vice between Malaya, Sarawak and Sabah and also the jumping of place for regional services to Hong Kong.
Head 199, Civil Aviation (Sara wak)—$1,279,056: The provision under Sub-head is for improvement to Sibu Aerodrome and Sub-head 2 for ex pansion of the Marudi Airfield.

Sub-head 3 is to meet part of the cost of high intensity cording aero drome installation, which will include a visual approach slope indicator system at Kuching Aero drome.

lighting Head 209, Civil Aviation (Singa pore): Sub-head 7 is for the passenger terminal building.

The present build ing, is a temporary one.
Head 147, Civil Aviation (Malaya)— 25, $21,299,427: Under work on the civil engineering and terminal building conracts is now in through progress and will continue Sub-head Sub-head 8 is for the Radar equip ment in order to achieve a much more rapid and accurate means of traffic control, which is necessary not only because of the increased density of 5029 11 JANUARY 1964 5030 both military and civil air traffic but also because of the bigger and faster aircraft now in use.
ment Estimates, 1964, amounting to $1,997,000 under Head 152, Minister of External Affairs, be approved.

148, Meteorological Services Head (Malaya)—$119,010: of $12,700 is required under Sub-head land for a the cost of 6 Meteorological Station and Quarters in Cameron Highlands.

to meet sum A Head 210, Meteorological Services {Singapore): The provision for the the $40,000 for radio facimile receiver and to complete existing approved schemes.
is installation of a has (Malaya): This Head 149, Marine provision of total Head $1,729,330.
The Department's fleet of launches is gradually being replaced and the sum now requested is required to meet the balance payment of the launch ordered in 1963 plus the cost of construction of river launches and water boats, and hence a sum of $620,017 is entered under Sub-head 4. four new Head 178, Marine {Sabah)—$34,439: This Head is required for the continua tion and completion of existing app roved schemes on Navigational Aid, purchase of a lighthouse tender and construction of Navigational Aid.
The last one, Sir, is Head 200, Marine {Sarawak)—$225,000: The pro- Vision under Sub-head 1 is required for the purchase of landing craft for the purpose of carrying plant and equipment to upstream areas which cannot be reached by other vessels.

Sir, I beg to move.

Question put, and agreed to.


sums of $23,362,641 under The column (9) and $7,247,000 under column 10 for Heads 145 to 149; the sum of $2,582,269 for Heads 177 and 178 under column (8); the sum of $2,417,316 for Heads 198, 199 and 200 under column (8); and the sum of $4,602,800 for Heads 209 and 210 under column (8), agreed to stand part of the Development Estimates, 1964.
Head 152— Mr Chairman: I propose that the the Develop expenditure shown in The Assistant Minister of Informa tion and Broadcasting (Dato' Mohamed Ismail bin Mohamed Yusof): Mr Chair man, Sir, I beg to move that Head 152, Ministry of External Affairs, Sub-head 1—Offices and Buildings Overseas, amounting to $1,997,000.00 stand part of the schedule as indicated by the title is the Sub-head.

This provision of required for the purpose of offices and buildings for our diplomatic missions overseas.
I should indicate that projects that are planned for the current year include acquisition of buildings, construction of buildings, improvement of buildings and properties already acquired, as well as furnishing of these buildings for the purpose of either the offices of the Missions or living accommodation for the Heads of Missions and other diplomatic staff.
The projects include the following: (a) London: (i) Purchase of new Residence for Counsellor; (ii) Purchase of new Residence for 2 Second Secretaries.

{b) New Delhi: Construction of Residence for High Commissioner, Chancery and quarters for Home-based Staff.

(c) Tokyo: Renovation of the old Resi dence and Outhouse for use as Chancery.

{d) Songkhla: Purchase of Consulate Property.


Work on some of these projects had already begun in the preceding year but due to certain technical difficulties as well as to the size of the projects which in some cases take more than a year to complete, provision is required for the current year for completion or to bring about progress on the projects a stage further.

Sir, I beg to move.

Dr Burhanuddin bin Mohd.


Noor Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak berchakap 5031 11 JANUARY 1964 5032 sadikit sahaja kerana ada di-sebutkan fasal Building.

Biasa-nya kita beli rumah atau tempat di-luar negeri maka elok-lah kalau building yang hendak di-buat itu merupakan building yang menurut bentok keperibadian kita.
appropriated the sums specified against such Heads and Sub-heads in the ninth and tenth columns in respect of Heads 100 to 153 and the eight and ninth columns in respect of Heads 155 to 210."

D a tu Mohamed Ismail bin Mohamed Yusof: Itu akan di-timbangkan.

Tetapi dengan sebab kita memikirkan per- itu kadang2 belanjaan di-luar negeri lebeh kalau hendak buat bentok keperi tentu-lah menambahkan badian kita lagi perbelanjaan.

selalu kita timbangkan dari segi wang perbelan jaan.
Kalau hendak belanja lebeh, boleh tetapi itu-lah kita kena timbang kan sama ada hendak bentok keperi badian atau pun wang yang kita hendak untokkan itu lebeh atau pun tidak.

Jadi Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $1,997,000 for Head 152 agreed to stand part of the Development Estimates, 1964.

Head 153— Mr Chairman: I now propose that the expenditure of $25 million shown under Head 153 of the Development Estimates, 1964, be approved.
Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Chairman, Sir, the provision for this Head for 1964 is $25 million.

As Honourable Members are aware, the Contingencies Reserve for 1963 has been increased from $10 million to $15 million to pro in vide for unforeseen requirements connection with the Development Plan.

For 1964 a larger Contingencies Re serve is considered necessary in view of resulting from the establishment of Malaysia and the need to maintain flexibility in the operation of the Plan.
the wider commitments Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $25,000,000 for Head 153 agreed to stand part of the Develop ment Estimates, 1964.

Question put, and resolved, "That a sum not exceeding $721,587,720 be expended out of the Development Fund in the year 1964, and that to meet the purposes of the Heads and Sub-heads set out in the second column of the Statement laid on the Table as Com mand Paper No.

46 of 1963, there be House resumed.


Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee has considered the motion referred to it and has agreed to it.

I accordingly move that the motion standing in my name be agreed to.

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Sir, I beg to second.

Question {Applause).

put, and agreed to.


Resolved: That a sum not exceeding $721,587,720 be expended out of the Development Fund in the year 1964, and that to meet the purposes of the Heads and Sub-heads set out in the second column of the Statement laid on the Table as Command Paper No.

46 of 1963, there be appropriated the sums specified against such Heads and Sub-heads in the ninth and tenth columns in respect of Heads 100 to 153 and the eighth and ninth columns in respect of Heads 155 to 210.
BILL THE CONSOLIDATED FUND (NATIONAL SECURITY EXPENDI TURE) BILL Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill entitled, "An Act to apply a sum out of the Consolidated Fund towards expenditure in during connection with the Federation, the maintenance of internal security and public order and related matters" be read a second time.
financial year 1964 the defence of the Sir, during the debate on the 1964 Supply Bill there were many references to the security situation arising from Indonesia's policy of "confrontation", and both my Honourable colleagues, the Minister of Defence and the Minis ter of Internal Security, had indicated that additional likely that expenditure for their respective Minis tries would be needed during the year beyond what had been included in the Estimates laid before the House.
Active fact, Indonesian hostility it was has, in 5033 11 JANUARY 1964 5034 increased during the course of even the present Parliamentary session; and it is, to therefore, not possible foresee or to inform the House, at this stage, of the details of the additional expenditure which may be required.
for me it unusual Article 102 (B) of the Constitution lays down a special procedure for meeting situations of this kind, when owing to the indefinite character of the requirements or to circumstances appears urgency, of to authorise expenditure necessary through without going the normal procedure of tabling detailed esti mates, and the Government has deci ded that the time has come to ask the House to take action in accordance with this special provision.
I should add that this procedure is followed in the mother of Parliaments, namely, the British Parliament.

It is called a vote of credit there, and several votes of credit were taken in each of the war years, that is, the years of both the First and the Second World Wars.

The the Prime Minister has Honourable already stated that we are practically in a state of undeclared war with Indonesia and thus the need for this special procedure is clear.
From the speeches which have been made during the Budget debate from almost every section of the House, I have no doubt at all that the over of Honourable whelming majority Members will give their wholehearted support to the Government in taking whatever measures are deemed neces sary to safeguard the security of our nation.
In my Budget speech, I stated that nothing would please some of our neighbours more than to see the wealth of Malaysia drained away in defence expenditure in a manner which has become familiar to themselves.

I made it clear that we have no intention of allowing this to happen, but neverthe less, the Government is determined to see that Malaysia is securely defended and will not hesitate to provide the money necessary for this purpose.
Whenever possible, the Government will, of course, come to this House in the normal manner with full estimates for approval.

The provision of $50 to keep within million asked for in this Bill is in the nature of an emergency reserve to be used in the event of it not being practi the estimated cable provision and small the amount which is provided in the ordi nary Contingency Fund.
It will be drawn upon only for purposes connec ted with the present threat to national security and only the Government is satisfied that the expenditure is essential for the protection of our country.

relatively Sir, I beg to move.

The Deputy Prime Minister (Tun to Haji Abdul Razak): Sir, I beg second the motion.
the Consolidated Fund Enche' Tan Phock Kin: Mr Speaker, Sir, Members of this House will note that is was only a few weeks ago when the Supply Bill was brought before this House, and today or tonight we have before us a Bill to enable the Govern ment to draw certain sums of money out of for defence purposes.

We appreciate that in time of war such a step may be necessary.

We on the Opposition have expressed our views on the present confrontation, and we have informed the Government of our views.
We have been told by none other than the Hon ourable the Prime Minister that today the country is not faced with war, but the Honourable of Finance isr telling us now, tonight, that this procedure is not unusual and that it is practised in the Mother of our Parliaments—but, Sir, it was practised in the Mother of Parliaments during the war years and not during years of peace.
the Minister At the moment, we agree that there is confrontation but, as the Govern ment itself has admitted, there is no national crisis whatsoever, and we feel, Sir, that this method of getting blanket approval of funds from Parliament, this method of preventing Parliament from discussing a detailed Budget as to how this sum of money is to be used is, particularly with the Supply Bill which we have indirect just approved, an method of window-dressing.
It is a method by which the Honourable the Prime Minister has tried to dress up the Budget, so that people will feel 5035 11 JANUARY 1964 5036 and that everything is well and that the national financial position is in a very good state.
We would think that under the present circumstances, the Minister concerned could have made ample pro vision for it, because at the time when the Supply Bill was introduced it was a well-known fact that there is Indo nesian confrontation, if more is required, it can easily be money incorporated in the Supply Bill.
But the Minister chose not to do so and decided to introduce this Bill at this very juncture to ask Parliament to give him powers to spend a sum of $50 million in the course of next year with out telling Parliament as to how this sum of money is to be spent.

As Mem bers of the Opposition, it is our duty to see to it that the Nation's resources are not unnecessarily spent on things that are quite unnecessary.

In our view there is no justification whatsoever for introducing this Bill.
The Minister could have included it in the Supply to do so he Bill, and having failed could have included in the next it Supplementary Supply Bill.

To do as he did is merely a method of trying to evade discussion in this House on an expenditure of this nature.
bagi Dr Burhanuddin bin Mohamed Nor: dasar-nya Tuan pada Pengerusi, pindaan bagaimana yang telah di- terangkan oleh Menteri yang berkena- an Consolidated Fund, National Security Expenditure tahun 1964 ini suka saya hendak menerangkan ia-itu pada dasar-nya perkara itu kerana tujuan security dan kerana defence tentu-lah kita boleh pakatkan, tetapi kerana perkara itu berkaitan dengan konfrantasi dengan keadaan2 sekarang ini ia-lah perdamaian, jadi, wang yang hendak di-chadangkan itu bagi hendak-lah di-gunakan bagi memper- juangkan keamanan dan bagi mene- gakkan keamanan dan perdamaian tidak di-gunakan bagi pergadohan dan memarakkan api peperangan bagai mana yang ada berjalan sekarang ini.
Sebab-nya, Tuan Pengerusi, kerana Malaysia dari semenjak di-tubohkan oleh Perikatan, timbul per- balahan2 kita sama kita dan de sa-hingga ngan sa-baka kita dasar-nya kegunaan telah jiran PAS kita pendirian sampai sekarang lagi maseh tidak puas dalam kedua-nya, bahawa perjuangan kebangsaan maseh di-teruskan sedang rupa bangsa bumi putera maseh berjalan kebangsaan sa- kerat, dan bagitu juga perjuangan ugama yang maseh berjalan sa-kerat, yang berkawan dengan penjajahan memang itu ada-lah musoh.
Mr Speaker: Masaalah yang di- hadapan kita ini fasal hendak minta kebenaran wang $50 juta bukan-lah masaalah berkenaan dengan perkara yang tuan katakan itu.

Jangan pan- jangkan perkara itu, sebab perkara itu bukan "point in issue".

Jaga sadikit!

Dr Burhanuddin: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya mengatakan hendak-lah di-tujukan kapada keama nan dan perdamaian itu sebab-nya .

.. Mr Speaker: Perkara itu tidak kena- mengena.

Kalau hendak shorkan saya benarkan.


Perkara yang tuan chakap- kan sudah pergi kapada masaalah lain.

Jaga sadikit!

Dr Burhanuddin: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, perkara ini berkait dengan confrontation.

Wang ini kalau di-bawa dengan chara yang salah akan men- jerumuskan negara ini kapada bahaya dan peperangan.

Mr Speaker: Confrontation sudah ada di-hadapan kita sekarang.

Wang ini di-kehendaki kerana confrontation, jadi confrontation sudah tidak menjadi setuju masaalah wang ini di-untokkan beri-lah hujah- nya.
Itu sahaja.

Jangan balek kapada asal, jadi panjang cherita-nya.

lagi.

Kalau tidak Dr Burhanuddin: Kita setuju kapada pertahanan dan menjaga security sa- dasar bebas yang di- bagaimana maksudkan tetapi pehak yang itu, mengadakan confrontation dan kita di-sini ada-lah dengan tegas menyata- kan perlawanan itu tidak di-tujukan kapada ra'ayat Malaysia dan Indo nesia .

.. Mr Speaker: Perkara itu tidak kena (di-Sampok).

Order!

Order!

juga.


Beri-lah hujah tuan kalau tidak ber- setuju wang itu di-untokkan—itu saya terima.

Dr Burhanuddin: Pendirian PAS ini kalau di-tujukan dalam perkara 5037 11 JANUARY 1964 5038 ada telah sekarang bagi keamanan walau pun confronta tion ada-lah bersetuju, dan wang itu tidak akan menjadi alat dan perkakas musoh terhadap ra'ayat yang menentang pen sekarang, sebab, Tuan Yang jajah di-Pertua, seluroh ra'ayat negeri ini ada-lah menentang penjajah dan terus berjuang mengkikis penjajah.
Musoh kita penjajah itu tidak menchari jalan perdamaian dan keamanan bagi ra' ayat, maka kita akan menjadi alat penjajah menekan ra'ayat yang pro gressive.

Jadi kerana itu-lah nanti tujuan internal security dan defence kita ini menjadi alat divide and rule penjajah itu yang akan merugikan kita sendiri, dan wang itu sudah tidak betul di-gunakan bagi maksud defence dan security kita yang merdeka.
Jadi tujuan saya, Tuan Yang di- ini Pertua, ada-lah bersetuju wang jika dengan hendak di-belanjakan penoh bijaksana mengatasi confronta tion untok menegakkan keamanan dan perdamaian, tetapi kalau untok me- marakkan api peperangan atau pun pergadohan, saya tidak bersetuju.

very unusual Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Mr Speaker, Sir, I just would like to reply to the two Honourable Members.
As my Honourable colleague the Minister of Finance has explained, we are facing at a the situation moment: we have a very serious emergency in our hands; and we do not know what may happen in the next few months.

So, the Government must be in a position to be able to have funds to expend in case the defence of this country requires it.

by enemy—attacked As the Minister of Defence, I must warn this House that we are facing a very serious situation.
Two weeks ago our own army camp was attacked by terrorists the trained and led by members of foreign armed forces—and members of the armed forces of another country, of Indonesia, have invaded our territory.

We are facing a very serious situation and this Government must be in a position to take adequate measures to defend this country.

That is why we have resorted to this Bill in order to give to the Government funds to ex pend in case it is necessary for defence and internal security.
We shall inform this House from time to time how this money is expended.

Sir, it is desirable for us to resort to this method, because, as I have said, we are facing a very serious emergency.

Although we have not declared war, but we have a war on our hands—an undeclared war as the Prime Minister has said—because foreign armed forces have invaded our territory.

Kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat dari terangkan bahawa Besut, saya suka wang ini akan di-gunakan kerana mempertahankan tanah ayer kita.
Saya tidak faham macham mana Ahli Yang Berhormat itu mengatakan Indonesia tidak menentang kita, kerana baharu2 ini 8 orang daripada ahli tentera kita di-binasakan oleh tentera Indonesia— tentera yang di-ketuai oleh ahli paso- kan tentera Indonesia.

Bagaimana kita ini di-katakan tidak di-serang oleh pehak Indonesia?

Dalam keadaan sa- macham ini bagaimana-kah tidak patut kita mengambil langkah bagi memper tahankan negara kita?
Jadi, saya tidak faham bagaimana-kah kita tidak patut mempertahankan negara kita?

Kita berkehendakkan keamanan.

Tetapi, kalau kita di-serang oleh musoh kita terpaksa mempertahankan negara kita dengan sa-berapa daya-upaya.

Kita mempunyai kedaulatan, kemer- dekaan dan kehormatan.

Kita mesti mempertahankan kehormatan negara kita.


Jadi dengam sebab itu-lah Kera- jaan minta kebenaran bagi meluluskan undang2 ini supaya dapat peruntokan juta bagi di- wang sa-banyak $50 jika di-kehendaki kerana gunakan, keadaan dharurat, sebab kita tidak tahu apa yang akan berlaku dalam masa dua tiga hari, dua tiga minggu dan dua tiga bulan pada masa yang akan datang (Tepok).

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.
House immediately into a Committee on the Bill.

resolved itself Bill considered in Committee.

5039 11 JANUARY 1964 5040 (Mr Speaker in the Chair) Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Preamble ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.
MOTION Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move, That, in accordance with the provision of sub-section (4) of section 10 of the Financial Procedure Ordinance, 1957, the Second Schedule of the said Ordinance be amended by adding thereto the following new item : "Fishermen's Rehabilitation Fund".

Sir, the purpose of the resolution is to create a new Government Trust Fund under the provisions of section 10 of the Financial Procedure Ordi nance, 1957.
This Fund is to be operated by the Ministry of Agriculture and Co-operatives to finance a scheme aimed at rehabilitating certain groups of fishermen adversely affected by trawler fishing.

The proposed scheme involves the grouping of such fishermen into several units, and each unit will be provided, on a hire purchase basis, with a boat and other fishing gear to enable the members of each unit to adopt new and more efficient methods of fishing.
It is estimated that the boat and the gear will cost approximately $25,000 per unit.

For this purpose an initial appropriation of $500,000 will be made to the Fund.

The details of the scheme will be worked out by the Ministry of Agriculture in conjunction with the Treasury.

Sir, I beg to move.

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That, in accordance with the provision of sub-section (4) of section 10 of the Financial Procedure Ordinance, 1957, the Second Schedule of the said Ordinance be amended by adding thereto the following new item: "Fishermen's Rehabilitation Fund".

Mr Speaker: The House is adjourn ed sine die, Adjourned at 9.15 p.m.