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THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT TUESDAY 15 MARCH 2022 MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO: 205 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon.

Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP.

DEPUTY SPEAKER Hon.

P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP.

(Tonota) Clerk of the National Assembly Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly Acting Learned Parliamentary Counsel Assistant Clerk (E) His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP.

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP.


(Boteti West) CABINET - President - Vice President - Ms B. N. Dithapo - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe - Advocate L. O. Tlhowe - Mr R. Josiah Hon.

K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP.

(Molepolole South) - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

K. T. Mmusi, MP.

(Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon.

Dr L. Kwape, MP.

(Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon.

K. K. Autlwetse, MP.


(Specially Elected) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon.

K. S. Gare, MP.

(Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

P. K. Kereng, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism Hon.

Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP.

(Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon.

T.M.

Segokgo, MP.

(Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon.

K. Mzwinila, MP.
K. Mzwinila, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon.

T. M. Rakgare, MP.

(Mogoditshane) - Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development Hon.

A. M. Mokgethi, MP.

(Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon.

P. O. Serame, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon.

F. M. M. Molao, MP.

(Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Hon.

Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP.


(Tati East) Hon.

L. M. Moagi, MP.

(Ramotswa) - Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology - Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security Hon.

M. Kgafela, MP.

(Mochudi West) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

M. R. Shamukuni, MP.

(Chobe) - Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development Hon.

E. M. Molale, MP.

(Goodhope-Mabule) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development Hon.
D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP.

(Gaborone South) - Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

S. N. Modukanele, MP.

(Lerala -Maunatlala) Hon.

T. Monnakgotla, MP.

(Kgalagadi North) Hon.

M. M. Pule, MP.

(Mochudi East) Hon.

M. S. Molebatsi, MP.


(Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

S. Lelatisitswe, MP.

(Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness Hon.

N. W. T. Makwinja, MP.

(Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education Hon.

B. Manake, MP.
B. Manake, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

H. B. Billy, MP.

(Francistown East) Hon.

A. Lesaso, MP.

(Shoshong) - Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES Names Constituency Hon.

L. Kablay, MP.

(Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon.

Dr U. Dow, MP.

Hon.


P. Majaga, MP.

Hon.

M. Balopi, MP.

Hon.

J. S. Brooks, MP.

Hon.

C. Greeff, MP.

Hon.

T. Letsholo, MP.

Hon.

T. F. Leuwe, MP.

Hon.

T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP.

Hon.

Dr T. Matsheka, MP.

Hon.

S. N. Moabi, MP.

Hon.

P. K. Motaosane, MP.

Hon.

O. Regoeng, MP.

Hon.

J. L. Thiite, MP.


Specially Elected Nata-Gweta Gaborone North Kgalagadi South Gaborone Bonnington South Kanye North Takatokwane Gaborone Central Lobatse Tati West Thamaga-Kumakwane Molepolole North Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon.

D. Saleshando, MP.

(Leader of the Opposition) Hon.

M. G. J. Motsamai, MP.


(Opposition Whip) Maun West Ghanzi South Selebi Phikwe West Mahalapye East Sefhare-Ramokgonami Ngami Okavango Maun East Bobonong Selebi Phikwe East Palapye Nkange Mahalapye West Francistown West Hon.

D. L. Keorapetse, MP.

Hon.

Y. Boko, MP.

Hon.

Dr K. Gobotswang, MP.

Hon.

C. K. Hikuama, MP.

Hon.

K. K. Kapinga, MP Hon.

G. Kekgonegile, MP.

Hon.

T. B. Lucas, MP.

Hon.

K. Nkawana, MP.

Hon.

O. Ramogapi, MP.

Hon.

Dr N. Tshabang, MP.

Hon.

D. Tshere, MP.

Hon.


M. I. Moswaane, MP.

Hon.

T. S. Khama, MP.

Hon.

L. Lesedi, MP.

Hon.

B. Mathoothe, MP.

Hon.

M. Reatile, MP.

(Botswana Patriotic Front) Serowe West Serowe South Serowe North Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon.

W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.
Francistown South (Alliance for Progressives) TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT TUESDAY 15TH MARCH, 2022 CONTENTS PAGE (S) QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...............................................................................................................20-27 SPEAKER’S ANNOUNCEMENT...........................................................................................................................7 APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY Organisation 1600 - Independent Electoral Commission Resumed Debate.................................................................................................................................................1-7 Organisation 1700 – Office of the Ombudsman.....................................................................................................8-19 Resumed Debate.............................................................................................................................................28-33 Organisation 1800- Ministry of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services...........................................34-59 Tuesday 15th March, 2022 THE ASSEMBLY met at 11:00 a.m. (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) P R A Y E R S * * * * ASSEMBLY IN COMMITTEE (CHAIRPERSON in the Chair) APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) ORGANISATION 1600–INDEPENDENT ELECTORAL COMMISSION (Resumed Debate) MR CHAIRPERSON (MR MOATLHODI): Honourable Members, when the House adjourned yesterday evening, I had just called on Honourable Molao to take the floor and he was left with nine minutes 42 seconds.

(MR MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION MOLAO): Ke a leboga Modulasetilo.

Ke tshwaetse gore ke ema nokeng gore Tona a fiwe madi a a kopang.
Ke batla ke simolole ka botlhokwa jwa lekgotla le le tsamaisang ditlhopho, gammogo fela le tsone ditlhopho, botlhokwa jwa tsone mo tsamaisong Puso le go babalela ledula le thokgamo e re tswang kgakala ka yone, re itsege re le lefatshe la Botswana.
Re tshwanetse ra tlhaloganya re le Batswana gore ditlhopho, bogolo jang ditlhopho tse di gololesegileng, tse di tshwarwang nako le nako fa sebaka sa tsone di goroga, di gololesegile mongwe le mongwe o a letlelelwa go ipapatsa ka fa a eletsang go ipapatsa ka teng, di botlhokwa mo thulaganyong ya rona ya ledula le re itsegeng ka lone re le lefatshe la Botswana.
Re eteletse mo mafatsheng a mantsi a Africa le ka kwa ntle ga Africa ka yone tsamaiso Puso e e lolameng, e re tswang koo, re e setse morago re le Botswana gape re le phathi ya Domkrag.

Go botlhokwa gore lekgotla le le tsweledise thutontsho le thuto mo Batswaneng ka botlhokwa jwa tlhopho, gore e re Motswana a ya go tlhopha, e bo e le gore o kgona go sekaseka dikgang tse di nang le boammaaruri, a bo a ntsha tse di senang boammaaruri.
A bo a ya go tlhopha phathi kana moemedi yo a dumelang gore o bua dikgang tse di nang le boammaaruri, tse di ka diragalang.

Gangwe le gape re le baemedi, re kgona go bua fela gore nnyaa, fa ke tlhophilwe, se le se, se tlaa diragala, mme e bo e le gore batlhophi fa gongwe ba sala morago ditsholofetso tseo tse di senang pele le morago.

Fa go na le thuto e e tseneletseng, voter education, motlhophi o kgona go itlhophela gore tota fela yo o buang boammaaruri ke ofe.
Jaanong ke sone se go leng botlhokwa gore ditlhopho di le teng le di seyo, public voter education e nne e tswelele, e gole, bogolo jang fa ditlhopho di seyo, go iketlile, gore batho ba kgone go reetsa sentle, ba utlwisise e bile ba itse maikarabelo a bone a tlhopho.
Mo kopong ya gago, re itse gore jaaka palo batho e simologa, gangwe le gape go nna le Delimitation Commission, e ke dumelang gore e tlaa re fa e bopiwa, e tle e kgone go tsamaya le lefatshe, e bope dikgaolo tse disha tsa Bopalamente gongwe le dikgaolwana tsa Bokhanselara.

Ke sengwe se se tshwanetseng gore se nne se lebelelwa.

Re a itse gore fa gongwe population threshold e a lebelelwa thata, go bo go lebalwa the terrain ya dikgaolo ka fa e ntseng ka teng.
E bo e le gore ba bangwe ba sala ba na le dikgaolo tse di bophara thata, le fa population e sentsi, mme e le dikgaolo tse di bokete gore ba goroge kwa bathong.

Selo se se tshwanetse gore go ya pele, se nne se lebelelwe le sone gore re se ka ra lebelela population fela, bophara le boatlhamo jwa kgaolo le jone bo lebelelwe gore baemedi ba tle ba kgone go goroga sentle kwa bathong.

Mr Chairperson, ke rata process ya ditlhopho e re nang le yone ya First-Past-the-Post (FPTP).
Ke e rata thata ka gore ke dumela gore it provides for certainty and stability ya tlhopho.

Motswana kwa gae o itse gore Mokhanselara, Mopalamente wa me ke mang le gore o nna mo ward le mo kgaolong efe, e bile o kgona go itshwaraganya directly le Mopalamente yoo le Mokhanselara yoo gore kana ke le motlhophi wa kgaolo e, mabaka a me ke a, ke eletsa se, ke kopa dithuso tse di ntseng jaana.
Fa o e tsaya o e bapisa le e gongwe e a tleng e buiwe ya bo Proportional Representation (PR), kwa go tlhophiwang phathi fela, motlhophi ga a itse gore go tsweng foo moemedi e nna mang, fa a nna le dikgwetlho tota o itebaganya le mang, ga ke dumele gore batlhophi ba rona really want Proportional Representation.

Fa gongwe e batliwa ke rona baeteledipele, re itse gore gongwe e tlaa re thusa.
Gape Proportional Representation, mathata a me le yone ke gore it gives the party bosses more power than the voters themselves and the members themselves ka gore yone ya party list system, kana go raya gore fa 1 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1600 - INDEPENDENT ELECTORAL COMMISSIONCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) o le Mopalamente e le gore you have a fall out le the party leadership, you cannot easily make the list wa ya Palamenteng kana khanseleng.
Mme e ya rona e, e go fa sebaka sa gore le fa e ka tswa gongwe boeteledipele bo sa go beye sebete, you can still be elected directly by your voters and go to council or Parliament.

Kgotsa le gone wa ema o le an independent member, wa tlhophiwa wa ya Palamenteng as opposed to e ya Proportional Representation.

That is why I like FPTP.

Ga re re ga e ka ke ya neela banana le bomme sebaka, e ka se ke ga nna le reforms to this process ya FPTP... HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): Clarification.
Ke a leboga motlotlegi, o e tshwere sentle thata.

Gongwe o tlhalose gore a mme gone ba a idiwa ba ba batlang the party list, go dira kwa diphathing tsa bone, ba dirisa party list, ba sa ya primaries?

Ke eng ba sa e practice kwa e leng gore they can do it freely, ga nna le party list kwa ...(Interruptions)… MR MOLAO: Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

Gone go ntse jalo.
Gone go ntse jalo.

Kana tumelo ya me ke gore kana fa re le diphathi, re iteisanya borathata jaana, re le Botswana Democratic Party (BDP), re ntse re le mo Pusong, ke dumela gore ba ba re ganetsang, they must actually be better than what the BDP proposes and/or practices.

Fa e le gore inner party democracy e e teng mo phathing ya Domkrag, e ka gaisa ya ba ba reng ba batla go ntsha Domkrag, then go raya gore ga go na mosola wa go tlhopholola Domkrag.
Ke buisiwa se ke gore o tlaa bona gore kwa diphathing tsa kganetso, there is a culture jaanong e e jwalegang ya gore, ke e bitsa ke re leadership by arrangement.
E go nniwang fela go bo gotwe nnyaa, wena semangmang o ema fale, wena semangmang o ema fale, go sena the inner party democracy e batlhophi ka bontsi, ba ka itlhophelang yo ba mmatlang, mme culture yone eo, fa e ka tswelela fela e jwelelela, batho ba santse ba le kwa ntle ga Puso, ke ka tlhalosa gore jaanong fa ba ka tsena mo teng ga Puso, it is likely gore le ditlhopho di se ka tsa tlhola di nna teng.
Ke culture e jaanong ba e jwalang e le batho ba diphathi tsa kganetso, gore fela fa o re inner party democracy kwa diphathing tsa kganetso, o tlaa rogakiwa, wa dirwa dilo tsotlhe.

Maloba Mopalamante wa Tonota o ne a rogakiwa mo Palamenteng e a bua fela ka inner party democracy.

Ga dirwa cartoons ka ene, ga dirwa dilo tsotlhe.

Batho ba bo ba bua ba bangwe ba re, nnyaa re siame, re tlaa dira inner party democracy re setse re tsene mo maemong.
Se Batswana ba tshwanetse gore ba se tlhaloganye gore, it is a red flag e e leng gore ba bo ba e itse gore fa ba ka tsenya batho mo Pusong ka mofuta o, e ka nna ya re ba tsene mo Pusong, ditlhopho tsa se ka tsa tlhola di nna teng.

Ga nna go dirwa arrangements fela tsa gore semangmang o tsena kwa, semangmang o tsena kwa.

Batswana ba latlhegelwa ke tshwanelo ya bone ya tlhopho.

Ke sone se ke reng ba ba tshwereng Puso gompieno… MR MOTSAMAI: Point of order.
Mr Chairperson, Rre Molao o tswa mo tseleng ka gore a re re le ba diphathi tsa kganetso, re ne re bua gore re tlaa dira inner party democracy, re setse re tsene mo Pusong.

Ke batla a state gore go buile mang?

A bua leng?

A raya mang?

Ga ke gakologelwe go buiwa jalo Mr Chairperson, gatwe le ba tlabe le se ba akele.

Tanki.

MR CHAIRPERSON: I think you are losing the point Honourable Member for Ghanzi South.
He has been talking about all the type of literature, insults and the cartoons that were hailed and written about the Member of Parliament for Tonota, following his deliberations on inner party democracy the other day.

That is exactly what the Honourable Minister of Basic Education is talking about.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go bo gotwe motho yo o ntseng jalo ke Speaker, e bile re mo tlotle fela a tsweledise lenaneo.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Let us have order please.

Please take your floor Honourable Molao.


HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ka se ke o tsenelele debate o ntse o le Speaker, o bo o bua ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Let us have order Honourable Hikuama.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, le wena a ko o itseye jaaka Speaker.

O se ka wa tsenelela debate.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Order!

Finish up your debate.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Now you are conflicted Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: I have ruled on that matter.

He is talking about the cartoons, did he not say that?
HONOURABLE MEMBER: You are conflicted.

O ka bo o didimala.

2 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1600 - INDEPENDENT ELECTORAL COMMISSIONCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) HONOURABLE MEMBER: You are conflicted, do not talk on that matter, you are conflicted.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ke tlaa go leleka kana Hikuama.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nteleka.

Gakere ke gone mo o go dirang.

Nteleka, ga go re sepe.


MR MOLAO: Mr Chairperson, se ke se buileng, modumo o o tsogileng o is a testament ya yone inner party democracy and tolerance of different views, gore ga di yo kwa diphathing tsa kganetso.

Le gompieno re a bona go iwa kwa ditlhophong tsa ward fela, tlhatlharuane e e tsogileng, e bua sone se Mopalamente wa Tonota o ne a se rogelwa maloba gore o bua eng, o tswa go selwa a bapile le lebitla, a reng.

A bua fela ka inner party democracy.


Mekwalokwalo e dule e e supang ntwa e. Videos di teng tsa baeteledipele ba kganetso, fa go ne go kgonega go di tshameka mo Palamenteng tsa bo Rre Boko, re ka di tshameka fa, ba bua fela gore kwa Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC), Botswana National Front (BNF) ke yone the natural leader ya UDC, ga gona ope gape yo o ka tsenang.

Golo moo fa e le gore is not a full testament ya lack of inner party democracy, then ga ke itse gore go buiwa ka ga eng.
Ke sone se ke reng, ba ba leng kwa ntle ba ba ganetsang Domkrag, should actually be better than what the BDP does.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Minister, your time is up.

Re jele nako bagaetsho re emetse lack of quorum.

Therefore, I am calling upon the Honourable Minister to reply to the debate.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: E fedile leng ka bonako Mr Chairperson?

MR CHAIRPERSON: E fedile sir.

Gakere re le emetse for almost 10 minutes, go re jetse nako.
Honourable Minister, please reply to the debate.

FOR AND PRESIDENTIAL MINISTER AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): Ke a leboga Modulasetilo.

Ke a ikokobetsa gore o bo o mphile sebaka sa gore ke fetole tse bakaulengwe ba me ba ntseng ba se bua.

Ba bua ba a kgwa dikgaba mafoko a ke neng ke a baya e le kopo ya me mo Ntlong e e fano, mabapi le lekgotla la Independent Electoral Commission (IEC).
Ke leboge gore ga ke gakologelwe ope wa bone yo o buileng, yo o emeng kgatlhanong le kopo ya rona.

Ga ke gakologelwe ope wa bone yo o reng ga a eme nokeng kopo eo, ke tshwanetse ke leboge.

Ke tlaa dira dikakgelo fale le fale go se kae, ke bo ke mover ka gore tota bontsi bo a dumalana.

Ntlha nngwe e ke ka simololang ka yone Modulasetilo ke gore, kana lekgotla le la IEC jaaka re buile, ke lekgotla le le tsamaisang ditlhopho mo boemong jwa rona rotlhe re le setšhaba.
Ditso tsa lefatshe le ka fa di ntseng ka teng, IEC ka fa e ntseng ka teng, ditlhopho di tsamaisitswe ka kagiso go tswa kwa tshimologong ya lefatshe le go fitlhela mo gompienong.
Fa ditlhopho tsa lefatshe le di ne di sa tsamaisiwe sentle, bangwe ba ditsala tsa me jaaka Motlotlegi Hikuama, Motlotlegi Wynter Mmolotsi, Motlotlegi Saleshando le bakaulengwe ba bangwe ba kganetso ba ba farologanyeng ditsala tsa me tse di mo Palamenteng e, ba mo Palamenteng e, e seng bone fela, le mo ditlhophong tse di fetileng ba kganetso ba tsene.

Le mo go tse dingwe tse di fetileng.


Tota fa e ne e le gore go a tsiediwa mo lefatsheng le, a tota ba ka bo ba le mo Palamenteng e bo Rre Kekgonegile le ba bangwe?

Ditlhopho tsa lefatshe le di gololesegile, le bone ba a itse gore di gololesegile, gammogo le Batswana.

Di a nna nako le nako after five years, di tsamaisiwa ke bana ba rona.

Bana ba rona ke raya batlogolo ba ga Rre Hikuama, bana ba ga Rre Motsamai le Rre Nkawana.
Batswana mo lefatsheng la Botswana ba ba nang le maikarabelo ka fa tlase ga lekgotla le le nang le Judge yo a leng Judge wa court yo o tlotlegang, le commission e e leng bomme le borre ba ba nang le maikarabelo.

Ba ba nang le seriti le serodumo se ba ka se keng ba tsenelele sepe se se tlaabong se dule mo tsamaisong.

Ka moo ke leka go supa gore, Batswana ba tshwanetse ba tswelele ba na le tshepho le tumelo ya gore ditlhopho tsa rona di tsamaisiwa sentle.
Ke tshwanetse ke supe gore go kotsi gore e re… bogologolo go ne go na le mongwe yo o neng e le modisa wa letsomane, mme e re a le kwa madisong, a ne a tla kwa gae a raya batsadi a re, diphiri di jele letsomane.

Fa batsadi ba ya kwa ba fitlhela diphiri di sa ja letsomane.

Kamoso gape o siela kwa motseng, a re diphiri di jele letsomane.

Fa go duwa go tabogiwa go ya go batliwa diphiri, ga go fitlhelwe di jele letsomane.
Ya re nako jaanong diphiri di jele letsomane, fa a tla go bua a re o tlile go ikuela kwa motseng gore bagaetsho diphiri di tlhasetse, kante e bo e le nnete, mme nako eo ba se ka ba ya kwa madisong, ka ba ne ba itse gore gantsi o tsosa modumo, a bo a bua se e seng nnete.

Ke leka go supa gore jaaka Motlotlegi Healy a ne a bua, re tshwanetse re dibele lekgotla la IEC, re se ka ra ne re re ga ba tsamaise dilo sentle, kgotsa re re go ntse le tsietso le mo e seyong.
E se ka ya re fela o utlwa manokonoko a democracy le a maduo a go jewa ke ditlhopho, o bo o re ke tsietso.

Kopo ya me ke gore a re itlwaetseng gore re amogela 3 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1600 - INDEPENDENT ELECTORAL COMMISSIONCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) maduo ka fa a ntseng ka teng.

Fa o sa bala sentle nako e o neng o emetse ditlhopho, o tlaa leka gape next time.
Kopo ya me fela ke gore, rotlhe fela re le baeteledipele ba dipolotiki, re le baeteledipele ba setšhaba, a re rotloetseng gore institutions tse di tshwanang le IEC, a e ne e re gongwe re bua ka tsone batlotlegi, re di sisela, ka gore batho fa ba ka tlhoka tshepho mo go tsone mme go sena boammaaruri, go ka tlhakatlhakanya lefatshe.

Ditlhopho jaaka mongwe a ne a bua, mo mafatsheng a mangwe di tlhakatlhakantse mafatshe e le boammaaruri gore ga di a tsamaisiwa sentle.
Mo ga rona Batswana ba a itse le rona rotlhe ba re mo Palamenteng e, re a itse ditlhopho tsa rona di direlwa mo pontsheng.

Go tswa fela kwa kwadisong; fa o sena go kwadisa, maina are checked gore a ba ba kwadisitsweng ke ba gone foo, go bo go iwa ditlhophong.

Di balelwa mo pontsheng, go na le balebeledi ba diphathi le ba ba emetseng ditlhopho.

Ka moo ditlhopho tsa lefatshe le, di gololesegile.

Ke ditlhopho tse mongwe le mongwe a di itseng.


Yes, ke a itse gore ba bangwe fa re sa atlega, fa gongwe we do not handle disappointment sentle.

Ke simolole ka one a le kalo.

Mabapi le kgang e ya mefuta ya tsamaiso ya ditlhopho, ke itse e le meraro.

Go na le mo gotweng First-past-the- post, Proportional Representation le Mixed Member Proportion.

First-past-the-post ke yone e re e dirisang mo lefatsheng la rona.
Fa o eme kwa Molepolole le Wynter kana tsala ya ga Wynter, and then o bo o bona palo e e rileng… MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister… MR MORWAENG: Yes sir.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Is the Wynter you are talking about a Member of Parliament (MP) or somebody else?

If e le MP, it would be Honourable Mmolotsi.

MR MORWAENG: Oh!

Thank you sir.

Ke a leboga motlotlegi.

Ke baya sekai gore fa o eme mo kgaolong, re na le seats tse di rileng, ba ba tshotseng seats tse dintsi ke bone ba ba tsenang.
Fa Domkrag e bone seats tse di fetang 29, ke yone e e tlhamang Goromente.

System e, e re bereketse mo dingwageng tse di fetileng go fitlhelela gompieno.

System e jaaka motlotlegi Rre Molao a ne a bua, bomolemo jwa yone ke gore batlhophi ba itse moemedi wa bone, direct, ba mo itlhophetse.

Ba itse gore Mopalamente wa Molepolole South ke Kabo Morwaeng, go sa tsaya party e bo e ya go le senkela lebonga lengwe.

E bo e re, nnyaa lebonga le, ke lone le le yang Palamenteng.
Tshwetso e sa tsewa ke batlhophi ba kgaolo e. Batho ga ba tlhophe party, party e itshenkela Mapalamente.

Therefore, systems tse ka fa di ntseng ka teng, nngwe le nngwe ya tsone e na le advantages tse di rileng le disadvantages.

As for this one, e dira gore go nne le botsalano jo bontle between the voter le moemedi.

E dira gore go nne le accountability.

E dira moemedi to account kwa kgaolong.


Jaaka o bona ke ya kwa kgaolong kgapetsakgapetsa ke buisa diphuthego, ke ya kwa Kgotleng ke ya go tshwara diphuthego le bomme, le fa e re kamoso borre bangwe ba bo ba lela ka ditilo, ba sa lele ka batho ba ba ntseng ditilo.

Jaanong batho ba ba itirela pharologanyo gore moemedi wa popota ke yo, yo o kgonang go tla go buisa diphuthego.

Ba bangwe ba bo ba lelela gore motho yo o buisa diphuthego.

Gone mo, ke gone mo batho ba go batlang.


Proportional e Rre Kekgonegile a neng a bua ka yone e na le advantages tsa yone.

Disadvantage e bo e nna gore diphathi jaaka re ntse re bua ke tsone, di tsaya control.

Batlhophi kwa gae ba sa tseye control, ba sa itse gore moemedi wa bone gore ke mang.

At the moment, this system e re nang le yone ya First-past-the-post has worked for us.

E bereketse lefatshe la Ennyelane kwa ga Mmamosadinyana kwa re tsereng system e teng.

E bereketse mafatshe a le mantsi.


Jaanong le rona e re bereketse so far.

Ke kopa re tswelele ka yone batho betsho ka gore go ya ka nna, it is more democratic.

E fa motlhophi dithata le ditshwanelo tsa gore a itlhophele Mokhanselara direct le Mopalamente direct.

Mixed Member Proportion; go na le mafatshe a a e dirang.

Mo Southern Africa go na le lefatshe le bidiwa Lesotho, le ke ntseng le lesego la go nna kwa go lone.
System ya Mixed Member Proportion, e mokaulengwe wa me Rre Kekgonegile a neng a bua ka yone, le yone e na le advantages le disadvantages.

All these countries have systems.

Go ka lebiwa mme re ne re re at the moment e re nang le yone e, e siame.

Ope a se ka a akanya gore because we are using First-past- the-post, go raya gore we are not democratic and then kwa Aferika Borwa because they are using Proportional Representation, they are more democratic.

That is not correct.

Ga go a nna jalo.


A re amogeleng gore systems di a fapaana, ga di tshwane.

Batho ba itlhophetse e ba e ratileng, re itlhophetse yone e gompieno.

Ke yone e ke reng Batswana, re tswelele ka yone.

4 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1600 - INDEPENDENT ELECTORAL COMMISSIONCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Funding of political parties; jaaka mokaulengwe Rre Kekgonegile a ne a bua ka yone, ke selo se se utlwalang se le sentle.
Fa o se akanya, it is a very good thing mme mathata ke kgang ya itsholelo, the economic status of a country involved.

A re ka kgona?

Fa madi a seyo jaaka a seyo jaana, mme diphathi dingwe di lwetse ruri, a la re batho ba mofuta o, go bo go tsewa madi gape gotwe tsayang madi.

Fa go lowa go sena madi, fa a le teng go ya go lowa ntwa ya mofuta mang.

Ka tsela eo, ke ne ke re, yes, ke kgang e e ka lebalebiwang fa itsholelo e letla.
But honestly, go na le matshwenyego a mangwe a lefatshe le nang le one kwa ntleng ga kgang eo.

E nngwe e mokaulengwe mongwe a e buileng ke e ntle ya go bala ballots kwa matlhophelong.

Eo ke nngwe ya recommendations tse di dirilweng ke ba Stakeholders Conference, e e neng e le teng.

Those recommendations di a lebiwa mokaulengwe wa me Rre Kekgonegile.

System ya go itlhophela Tautona direct; e e teng gompieno e e tshwanang le ya kwa ga Mmamosadinyana, that is the indirect election of the President.
Advantage ya system e re nang le yone e, e e leng gore party e e nang le dipalo tse dintsi... Fa o le Mopalamente o ema kwa Molepolole South o le Morwaeng, o a bo o saenne o itse gore mo go bontlhopheng ba boTautona o ema nokeng Tautona Masisi.

Motswana yo o go tlhophang kwa Molepolole South, o a bo a itse gore fa ke tlhopha Morwaeng, ke tlhophile Tautona Masisi.

Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona Masisi fa ke sa batle go mo tlhopha, then ga ke na go tlhopha Morwaeng.
Therefore, a o tlhopha Rre Motsamai kwa Ghanzi, go raya gore Tautona yo Rre Motsamai a mo supileng gore e ka nna ene Tautona, Batswana ba a bo ba setse ba itse.

Re ile ditlhophong tsa setšhaba tsa 2019 Batswana ba itse gore fa go fenya party ya gore, moeteledipele wa party eo ke ene a yang go nna Tautona.

System e, ke yone e e kwa ga Mmamosadinyana.

Go lebilwe kgang ya gore… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Clarification sought.

MR MORWAENG: Nnyaa rra, mma ke wetse.


Seats fa o di bone di le dintsi… HONOURABLE MEMBER: O tshaba engagement.

MR MORWAENG: …ka tsela eo, ke ne ke re thulaganyo e ya rona, e siame thata.

Ka tsela eo… HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR CHAIRPERSON: Let us have order please!

MR MORWAENG: Ntshireletsa Modulasetilo.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ke go sireleditse Honourable Minister.

That is the reason I am calling for dead silence.


Standing Order 58.4 sa re, fa yo mongwe a eme, rotlhe re tshwanetse re bo re didimetse.

We should stop making unseemly interruptions.

Have your floor Honourable Minister.

MR MORWAENG: Go na le kopo e nngwe e mokaulengwe wa me Rre Kekgonegile a neng a bua ka yone ya gore motho a kwadise gongwe le gongwe, e bo e le gore go kwadisa mo go ka isiwa kwa a eletsang go ya go tlhopha teng.
Ke re le yone eo, ke nngwe ya recommendations tse di tlisitsweng gore di sekasekwe, di lebiwe.

Di builwe kwa conference.

Then mabapi le delimitation, ke supe fela gore jaaka mongwe a ne a re gongwe ga e ka ke ya tsamaya sentle, ga e diriwe sentle, ke re nnyaa ka dinako tsotlhe e dirwa sentle go setswe tsamaiso morago, go ntse le consultation, a ope a se ka a belaela ope.
E sale e re re tswa kwa re tswang teng go fitlhelela gompieno, nako le nako kwa go ntseng le delimitation, e dirilwe ka tsela e e leng gore go ne go sena manganga le dikgang ka yone.

E ne e dirwa go lebilwe dipalo le dikgaolo mme gape le batho ba a rerisiwa.

Rotlhe re le Batswana, therisanyo e ya go nna teng, fa e nna teng, re bo re nna le seabe mo delimitation yone eo.

Le diphathi di na le seabe.

Ke gore morero o nna teng, ga gona sepe se se dirwang go sena morero.
Go na le ntlha e nngwe e ke neng ke eletsa go feta ka yone gape ya gore kana fa o leba tsamaiso ya ditlhopho gore tota mme IEC e dira eng, ke a utlwa gore batlotlegi ka fa ba buang ka teng ba re gongwe tsamaiso ya gompieno e e leng gore ga e fe… education ya batlhophi ga se mandate wa IEC per se.

Mandate wa IEC ke go tsamaisa ditlhopho.


Ke lemoga gore se se buiwang, kopo ke gore gongwe kgang e ya voter education e nne nngwe ya mandates tsa IEC tse di tona because kgang ya... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR MORWAENG: Yes, Rre Hikuama.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ao!

ke kopile pele comrade, nna o ntimile?

MR MORWAENG: Ke tlaa boela kwa go wena Rre Kekgonegile.
5 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1600 - INDEPENDENT ELECTORAL COMMISSIONCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) HONOURABLE MEMBER: O a tlhaola.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Chairperson, a ke bue?

MR CHAIRPERSON: You have been given a nod, please go ahead.

MR HIKUAMA: Point of clarification.

Ee rra, ke a leboga Honourable Morwaeng.

Ke a tshoga Honourable Morwaeng fa o bua gore voter education is not part of IEC mandate.
A mme o bua nnete totatota fela gore voter education is not part of the mandate wa IEC?

MR MORWAENG: Thank you very much... MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister!

MR MORWAENG: Ee rra.

MR CHAIRPERSON: You had indicated that you would also allow Honourable Member for Maun East so that you can respond to both of them.

MR MORWAENG: Mo fe sebaka sir.

MR KEKGONEGILE: Point of clarification.

Tanki Mr Chairperson, tanki Tona.


Tona, o file sekai sa gore fa o batla go tlhopha Tautona Masisi, o tlhopha Mopalamente Morwaeng.

Fa motho ene a batla go tlhopha Tautona Masisi mme a sa batle go tlhopha Mopalamente Morwaeng kana fa a batla go tlhopha Mopalamente Morwaeng mme a sa batle go tlhopha Tautona Masisi, o bona go ka diragala jang?

Tanki.

MR MORWAENG: Ke a leboga mokaulengwe wa me.


Back to ya ga Motlotlegi Rre Hikuama, fa o leba Section 65 (a) (12) e tlaa go tlhalosetsa mandate wa IEC Motlotlegi Rre Hikuama.

Ke kopa gore fa o tswa motlotlegi o ye go e bala, e tlaa go fa mandate wa IEC gore ke eng ka botlalo.

Ke dumela gore se bangwe re se buang gone jaana ke gore gongwe this mandate o tsene mo teng, but you see, kgang ya voter education, ke ne ke supa fela gore as the law stands now, ga se mandate sir.
Mandate wa bone o tlaa utlwa o tlhalositswe teng foo, o ye go bala Section 65, e tlaa go tlhalosetsa ka botlalo morwarre.

Ga ke re re ka se ke re e dire.

Re a e dira mme tota ga se yone mandate.

Ke sone se ke reng gongwe mogopolo ke gore e tsene mo teng, e nne nngwe ya mandates tsa rona tsa IEC tse di tona.

Jaanong mabapi le ditlhopho, jaaka Motlotlegi Rre Kekgonegile a ne a bua, system e re nang le yone ga se rona re e dirileng.

We have not created this system.

This is the Westminster system.


System e e teng ya gompieno ya ditlhopho, ke ne ke re rona ba re neng ra tsaya malebela re le lefatshe la Botswana kwa go Mmamosadinyana, go dirwa jalo.

Phathi e e tshotseng seats tse dintsi, moeteledipele wa yone, ke ene yo o nnang moeteledipele wa lefatshe.

System ya teng e bereka jalo.

Ke sone se ke reng system e, re e ratile re le Batswana ka gore e re bereketse dingwaga tse tsotlhe tse di fetileng mme e bile tumelo ya me e le gore re tswelele ka yone.
Le gompieno fa phathi e le mo setilong e nna le phetogo ya boeteledipele, ga go boelwe gape kwa bathong, phathi yone eo e e nang le seats tse dintsi, ke yone e e tsayang tshwetsho ya gore ke mang yo o nnang moeteledipele wa lefatshe.

So... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Honourable Morwaeng.

MR MORWAENG: Yes, Rre Tshere.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Through you Chair.

MR CHAIRPERSON.

Please go ahead Honourable Member for Mahalapye West.

MR TSHERE: Point of clarification.

Thank you very much.


Tona, sorry go go busetsa fa moragonyana mo kgannyeng yone e ya gore ditlhopho di a tura.

Bakaulengwe ba ne ba ngongorega ka ditlhopho gore di a tura le gone go ya go ikwadisa kwa le kwa.

Ke re a o itse ka Batswana ba ba nnang kwa mafatsheng a sele, ba e leng gore go ikwadisetsa ditlhopho ke bothata jo bo tona fela?
Fa ke go fa sekai, kwa America go ikwadisediwa kwa embassy ya rona kwa Washington DC, and then fa e le gore o tswa kwa San Francisco, San Diego, and the Eastern Coast or Western Coast area, o fitlhela e le gore ke bothata.

Kana ga re you fly across o ye go ikwadisa o bo o boela kwa sekoleng.

Fa o boa gape you fly o ya go tlhopha.

Fa o ya kwa Europe, it is even worse, bo Singapore ke problem fela koo.

Batswana ba a lela ka ditlhwatlhwa tse di tona.


A ga le nke le akanya le le lephata gore le tlise ditlamelo tse gautshwane le Batswana ba ba nnang kwa ntle?

Ke a leboga.

MR MORWAENG: Ke a leboga.

Ke tshwanetse ke amogele Motlotlegi Rre Tshere gore yes, kana o a itse gore kwa tshimologong kgang e ya go tlhopha ga Batswana ba ba kwa mafatsheng go ne go sa dirwe, mme ga felela go dirilwe.

E bile ke go supegetse gore e nna e tokafala nako le nako, ditlhopho tsotlhe tse di tlang go a tokafala.
Ke re ke amogele gore fa o tsaya lefatshe le tshwana le America mme polling station e 6 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1600 - INDEPENDENT ELECTORAL COMMISSIONCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) le kwa Washington DC ke baya e le sekai, yes, I agree.

Mo ditlhophong tse di tlang tumelo ke gore thulaganyo e fetoge sir, gore polling stations di nne kwa le kwa ka fa go ka kgonegang ka teng.

Kwa lefatsheng la Australia e le sekai, polling stations di ne di le about six.
Ka tsela e, ke ne ke re ke a amogela gore mme ditokafalo di tlaa nna di nna teng gore bakaulengwe ba rona, Batswana ba ba kwa mafatsheng re ba tlhofofaletse kgang ya go tlhopha.

Ntlha e nngwe e tona e bangwe ba e buileng, boammaaruri ke gore ditlhopho tsone tse, re tshwanetse re tswelele re itse gore... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR MORWAENG: Rre Nkawana.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke nna.

MR NKAWANA: Point of clarification.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.


Ke ne ke re ke tlhaloganye sengwe Honourable Minister gore a o kile wa tsaya matsapa a go tlhotlhomisa gore tota mo go tsalang gore batho ba bo ba itsapa go ya go tlhopha ke eng?

Le gore a mme o bona go na le mosola mongwe wa voter education e e dirwang ke ba IEC so far?

A go na le maduo a le a bonang kgotsa o bona e le matsapa fela a a sa thuseng ka sepe?

Ke a leboga.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister, please beware of the highly diminished time.
MR MORWAENG: Thank you very much, I think I have 10 minutes.

gone moo, research Motlotlegi Rre Nkawana e tsweletse gore naare voter apathy e tsalwa ke eng.

Ke tsaya gore gone mo go tlaa rarabolola kana go tlaa go araba sentle gore o tlhaloganye le rona re tlhaloganye gore matsapa di a tsaya kae.

Ke tsaya gore ke tlhalositse ka botlalo gore ke eng ke kopa madi, e bile ke eng ke le kopa gore bagaetsho le nkeme nokeng.

Mme ke re Batswana ba tswelele ba na tshepho le tumelo mo IEC.
E bereka operationally, they are independent.

Ba ba reng re tlise IEC kwa Palamenteng gore e ye go tsamaisiwa jaanong e nne accountable to Parliament, boammaaruri ke gore ministry mongwe o tshwanetse go kopela IEC madi, jaanong gape fa e le gore o a re IEC e bo e tla kwa go wena le Rre Kekgonegile le Rre Hikuama, gore e bo e le lona le tsamaisang IEC, nnyaa Rre Hikuama.
O a itse gore nna le wena re mapolotiki, the current system e e tsweletseng ke tsaya gore it is okay, ga go ise go ke go ngongoregiwe go tlhoafatswe ka tsietswe ya ditlhopho.

Ka tsela eo ga ke dumalane gotlhelele le mo gotweng re tle kwa go wena Rre Hikuama le Rre Moswaane, gore e nne lona le tsamaisang IEC.

Ga ke dumalane le gone.


In conclusion, Mr Chairperson, I now request that a total of Sixty- Six Million, Five Hundred and Eight Thousand, Seven Hundred and Twenty Pula (P66,508,720) for the Recurrent Budget and Forty-Five Million, Six Hundred and Eighty-One Thousand Pula (P45,681,000) for Development Budget be approved and stand part of the estimates for the financial year 2022/2023.

I move accordingly Mr Chairperson and I thank you.

MR CHAIRPERSON: You do not.

Question put and agreed to.


MR MORWAENG: Okay.

Motlotlegi Rre Nkawana, fa o ne o badile speech sa me, o ka bo o lemogile gore mo go sone nkgonne, ke supile gore go na le madi a ke a kopang mo go wena motlotegi gore study se re se dirang sa voter apathy se nne teng.

Ke kopa madi mo go wena.

Actually study seo se tsweletse go sekaseka gore naare mme ke eng bangwe ba sa ye go ikwadisa kana go tlhopha?
Mabaka one ao, gore re tle se ka ra a akanyetsa mogolole Motlotlegi Rre Nkawana, e nne a e leng a boammaaruri ka gore fa gongwe o ya go fitlhela e le gore gongwe mongwe le mongwe o tlaa tswa ka a gagwe.

Ba bangwe ba a gore diphathi tsa sepolotiki di rile, ba bangwe ba a go re mapolotiki a rile.

Ba bangwe ba a gore ga ba dumele mo ditlhophong, mabaka a ka nna mantsi.

Ba bangwe ba ka bua ka fa ba buang ka teng.


So SPEAKER’S ANNOUNCEMENT MR SPEAKER (MR MOATLHODI): In the remaining one minute pele ga ke ya kwa the next Organisation because Minister o re tlogeletse one minute, mma ke le bolelele dikgang tse di botlhoko.

Re kopa gore le rapedise Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Francistown West, Rraetsho Ignatius Mokwaledi Moswaane, Rraagwe Lebo.
Maabane fa a tšhaisa kwa ofising ya gagwe fela fa a re o tsena kwa lelwapeng ka gore he has been connecting a le kwa Francistown, next door neighbours ba a lwa, ba tsositse modumo o o seng kana ka sepe, a bo a ntsha phone a re a bitse mapodise.

Go raya gore batho ba ba lwantshang neighbours tsa gagwe ba ke batswakwa, e rile fela ba utlwa gotwe mapodise on the phone ba bo ba tsaya lentswe fela ba mo tika ba mo roba leoto.

O robaditswe kwa Sepateleng sa Nyangabgwe.


Re 7 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1600 - INDEPENDENT ELECTORAL COMMISSIONCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) kopa gore le rapedise mokaulengwe wa rona, Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Francistown West.

Ene o a sidilega, le ka kgona go mo leletsa ka gore ka phone o a itekodisa.

Re buile nae kgantele.

administration.


The Ombudsman constantly checks on the legality and fairness of Government decisions through its investigations, thereby providing checks on possible abuse of power by those on who it is vested.

ORGANISATION 1700 – OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMAN Performance during financial year 2021/22 Case Resolution HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ne ba sa romiwa tota batho ba?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba Domkrag.

romilwe ke MR CHAIRPERSON (MR MOATLHODI): Order!


Honourable Mmolotsi, we are on a sensitive matter!

O bua dipuo tse di go ronang jang!

Please, note that two hours has been allocated to this Organisation and I shall call upon the Honourable Minister to reply to the debate at 1500 hours today, and the question will be put at 3:30 p.m. today.

Honourable Minister responsible for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration, please talk to your Bill.
ASSISTANT MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC (MR MTHIMKHULU): ADMINISTRATION Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Honourable Chairperson, I rise to present to this Honourable Committee the Budget Estimates for financial year 2022/2023 under Organisation 1700, Office of the Ombudsman.
The total Recurrent Budget Estimate for the 2022/2023 financial year amounts to Forty-Three Million, Six Hundred and Forty-Two Thousand and Seven Hundred and Thirty Pula (P43,642,730.00) while the Development Budget is Fourteen Million, Eight Hundred Thousand Pula (P14,800,000.00).
Mandate to law Mr Chairperson, the Office of the Ombudsman is mandated by investigate complaints and allegations of maladministration against Government departments, parastatal organisations and other agencies of the Government, and to recommend remedial action to address any injustice suffered in consequence of any proven maladministration.
The Office therefore serves as one of the key contributors to good governance, democracy and the rule of law in Botswana as it constantly holds Government ministries and departments to account for their actions, and to remedy any injustice caused to members of the public by their actions, where such are found to flout principles of good Chairperson, during financial year 2021/22, the Office of the Ombudsman registered five hundred and twenty- nine (529) new complaints as at February 2022.
Out of this total, one hundred and ninety-four (194) complaints were resolved, representing a resolution rate of 36.7 per cent.

An additional seven hundred and nine (709) complaints were carried forward from previous years.

From that total, three hundred and thirty-four (334) complaints were completed leading to a resolution rate of 47 per cent on the backlog.
The total case load for financial year 2021/22, that is, the total number of new cases plus those carried forward from previous years was one thousand two hundred and thirty-eight (1,238), of which five hundred and twenty-eight (528) cases were completed, representing an overall resolution rate of 42.7 per cent as at end of February 2022.
The observable low-resolution rate continues to be attributed to the outbreak and spread of the Coronavirus (COVID-19) and the restrictions imposed in response there to, which disabled the Office of the Ombudsman from implementing interventions aimed at reducing turnaround times such as face-to-face consultative meetings and heads of departments seminars.
The other difficulty was that the use of unified communication systems is unevenly spread around the public service, such that some departments are ready for virtual meetings and engagements whilst others are still in the process of putting the systems in place.

Public Education and Outreach Chairperson, the Ombudsman 2021/2022 Public Education and Outreach Programme was similarly affected and was deferred for the second year running due to COVID-19 related restrictions on public gatherings.
Digitisation In line with the Government’s digitisation programme, the Office of the Ombudsman set out to digitise both its equipment and people.
8 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1700 – OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMANCommittee of Supply the Office of For financial year 2021/22, the Ombudsman invested in the procurement of Information Communication Technology (ICT) equipment for senior management and legal investigators, which were meant to support the digitisation process, and in turn, to enable virtual communication between head office and the regions during this era of COVID-19 and beyond, and thus to promote service efficiency, and at the same time curb the spread of COVID-19 by maintaining social distancing.
Chairperson, the adoption of technology enabled the office to virtually host the African Ombudsman and Mediators Association (AOMA), Southern Africa Region meeting in July 2021.

For the same reason, the virtual platforms enabled the Ombudsman to attend the Executive Committee (ExCo) virtual meeting of the AOMA in June and November 2021, as well as in January 2022.
The Office of the Ombudsman has through the use of technology benefited greatly from numerous virtual trainings offered by the African Ombudsman Research Centre (AORC), all of which were geared towards enhancing understanding of the Ombudsman institution and sharing best practices in the conduct of effective investigations.

The Office of the Ombudsman has also embarked on a project to automate its case management processes to improve its efficiency and customer satisfaction.
When fully implemented, the automated system (Computerised Case Management System) will be able to support customers consistently, accurately, effectively and most importantly, timeously.

The project is undertaken jointly with the Government on Line office and is currently at “project initiation stage,” where all stakeholders get to confirm the scope of work and approve the implementation methodology.
Office accommodation Chairperson, as I reported at the last Committee meeting, the Office of the Ombudsman is working on a program to provide suitable office accommodation for its officers with the view to creating an environment that is conducive to the effective discharge of its mandate.

Construction of a purpose-built facility to house the Maun office is ongoing, and currently stands at 54 per cent.

The project was estimated to be completed by 16th December 2021, which date has since passed.
The project is moving at a very slow pace due to several challenges, ranging from poor project implementation to insufficient resourcing by both the contractor and the supervising entities.

Chairperson, the Tsabong Regional Office is in its second year of operation, having commenced operation on the 3rd June 2020.

The office is housed in an adapted residential property, augmented with porta cabins to meet its operational needs.
The facility is however, not properly suited for the work of the Ombudsman, hence there is a need to find suitable accommodation for the office and its personnel.

The Ombudsman has also identified the urgent need for its services in the Central District, and has plans to open an office in Palapye.

To that extent Chairperson, plots have been secured in both Tsabong and Palapye for the construction of proper office facilities in the two centres.
Preconstruction activities in the form of design and layout for the Palapye office are planned for the financial year 2022/2023, while Tsabong will follow in later years.

Legislative Review Chairperson, the Ombudsman Amendment Act of 2021 was passed by this Parliament in July, 2021.

The Act confers on the Ombudsman the mandate to promote and protect human rights, in addition to the current mandate on administrative justice.
The conferment of the new mandate is most welcome as it provides residents of this country with an alternative avenue for ventilating their human rights related complaints, additional to the courts.

The conferment of the new mandate however has resource implications in terms of additional human capital, office space and other facilities requisite for the uptake and effective discharge of the expanded mandate.
The Government however remains committed to assisting the office in all manners possible, hence I will be proposing an upward review of the Recurrent Budget to support the preparatory works towards the assumption of the new mandate.
Budget Utilisation Chairperson, during financial year 2021/2022, the Office of the Ombudsman was allocated an amount of Thirty-Five Million, Ninety Thousand and Forty Pula (P35.090,040) under the Recurrent Budget, out of which Twenty-Three Million, Three Hundred and Forty-Two Thousand, Five Hundred and Forty-Six Pula 9 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1700 – OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMANCommittee of Supply (P23.342,546) or 77.92 per cent of the total budget had already been spent as at the end of February, 2022.
The figure is expected to grow beyond this by close of the financial year.

Under the Development Budget, the office was allocated P8 million for construction of office accommodation in Maun, development of a Case Management System and environmental impact plan for the anticipated Palapye Ombudsman office.
Owing to complications in the construction of the Maun office above, and the waiver of the Environmental Impact Plan in Palapye by the Central District Council, only One Million, Nine Hundred and Ninety Thousand, Seven Hundred and Sixty-Two Pula (P1.990, 762), representing 25 per cent of the allocated funds was spent during the plan period.
BUDGET PROPOSALS (a) RECURRENT BUDGET Chairperson, I now therefore request a total of Forty- Three Million, Six Hundred and Forty-Two Thousand, Seven Hundred and Thirty Pula (P43.642,730), being provision required to meet the financial requirements for the Office of the Ombudsman during financial year 2022/2023.

This represents an increase of 24.4 per cent, equalling Eight Million, Five Hundred and Fifty-Two Thousand, Six Hundred and Ninety Pula (P8.552,690) over the 2021/2022 budget.
The 24.4 per cent adjustment is mainly to cater for the uptake of the new human rights mandate and other running costs, including personnel emoluments, facilities maintenance and procurement and maintenance of office equipment.

(b) DEVELOPMENT BUDGET Chairperson, under the Development Budget, I request a total amount of Fourteen Million, Eight Hundred Thousand Pula (P14.800,000), being provision required to meet financial requirements for the Office of the Ombudsman during financial year 2022/2023.
This is an increase of 85 per cent from the 2021/2022 budget of P8 million.

The funds are required for the completion of the Maun office, development of a Case Management System, as well as the design and layout of the Palapye office.

CONCLUSION Mr Chairperson, this concludes my budget proposal for the Organisation 1700 – Office of the Ombudsman.
I therefore request that the sum of Fifty-Eight Million, Four Hundred and Forty-Two Thousand, Seven Hundred and Thirty Pula (P58.442,730), being Forty-Three Million, Six Hundred and Forty-Two Thousand, Seven Hundred and Thirty Pula (P43.642,730) for Recurrent Expenditure and Fourteen Million and Eight Hundred Thousand Pula (P14.800,000) for Development Budget be approved and stands as part of the Estimates for the financial year 2022/2023.

I move accordingly and I thank you Mr Chairperson.


MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Minister for saving us a substantial amount of time.

The matter is open for debate and the slot goes to Honourable Member responsible for Sefhare-Ramokgonami.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: He has attended an event ka kwa constituency Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you for those said news.

DR TSHABANG (NKANGE): Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Ke tseye nako e ke akgele mo budget ya ga Ombudsman.
Ke supe gore ke ema nokeng budget e ka fa e ntseng ka teng, le gore e okeditswe from around P35 million last year to at least P43 million, go supa botlhokwa jwa this organisation mo Botswana.

Le yone gore e kgone go ikemela ka dinao to deliver the mandate wa yone wa go reetsa le go tlhotlhomisa citizens complaints against maladministration in areas of public administration.
Ke tsaya gore mandate wa Ombudsman is very clear, ke go reetsa le go tlhotlhomisa complaints tsa batho mo Botswana fa ba sa tsewang sentle mo tsamaisong ya ga Goromente.

E bile ke lebogela gore last year, re kgonne go oketsa the mandate wa yone gore e tle e lebelele le human rights violations kana tsotlhe tse di amanang le go dirisiwa botlhaswa ga batho, le gore a batho ga ba gatelelwe, ditshwanelo tsa bone ga di gatakiwe ka dinao.
Mr Chairperson, ke tshwaele gore tota mme kana le fa e le teng Ombudsman, having been established sentle by its Act, e na le limitations tse tota re di bonang.

E tshwanetse gore fa go ntse go tsamaya, e fiwe its full independence from the Executive arm of Government.

Go na le ka fa ke bonang gore re santse re e bofeletse gore e se ka ya phuthologa thata.
Le fa ba bangwe can argue gore no, it is a debatable issue, tota gore the appointing authority ya the head of Ombudsman, kana ene the Ombudsman himself or herself, e tshwanetse gore e dirwe ke Tautona even though a rerisana (consult) le the Leader of the Opposition (LOO) mme go tshwanetse gore go nne le tribunal nngwe which 10 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1700 – OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMANCommittee of Supply does not include the Executive of Government gore e ka tlhoma (appoint) the Ombudsman.
Re lebile gore tota public administration in general is headed by the Government and most of these complaints tse di yang kwa Ombudsman, ke tse di supang Goromente kana tsamaiso ya public administration ka monwana.

O tlaa fitlhela e le gore fa gongwe ba a tle ba re, how can you bite the hand that feeds you?

Re supa fela gore mme the institution of Ombudsman in Botswana, e tshwanetse go nna le leverage kana independence e e leng gore it can exercise, starting by the appointment ya Ombudsman.
I think we must remove the President from being the appointing authority, go nne le committee or a tribunal which can appoint the Ombudsman.

So, fa e le gore independence ya the Ombudsman is going to be dominated by the power of the President, go ka se ke go nne sentle and re a itse gore go tlaa nna le gore nnyaa, ba na le independence, but re setse re supile dikai in the past gore the independence of the Ombudsman, gongwe is not complete.
Gape go nne le gore go laolesege kana a gololesege gore ditshwetso kana recommendations tse a di dirang, di kgone go nna di diragadiwa (enforced).

Fa o ka lebelela gantsi le fa Ombudsman a ntshitse pego kana katlholo, fa gongwe it is bypassed kana e lebelelwa fela kana go dirwa bogoma e bo e felela e le gore ga e diragadiwe.
Ke gakologelwa gore ngwaga mongwe, Botswana Congress Party (BCP) e kile ya isa kgang kwa Ombudsman, ya go kgweediwa ga Botswana Defence Force (BDF) aeroplanes and use of BDF equipment ke the then Vice President (VP), gore nnyaa, tota ga se tshwanelo.
Ombudsman o ne a tla a tlhalosa gore mme gone BCP e tshwere kgang, mme re bone the Government of the day, the BDP, o iseng a fetoge mo power, a tswelela a dirisa go kgweetsa ga the then VP, the BDF aeroplanes, go supa gore Domkrag yone the President at the time, did not heed the recommendations tsa Ombudsman.
So go supa gore fa gongwe re dira these institutions, re bo re sa di fe meno gore di kgone to enforce these recommendations, because we need the Ombudsman gore a nne le powers tsa to enforce whatever the recommendations.

Gape le rulings tsa gagwe, they must be taken serious by the Government.
O fitlhela e le gore fa a dirile those recommendations, complaint e re e bayang gone fa ke gore, the Government of the day, ga a lebelele those rulings as serious, gore di na le judicial powers tse e leng gore if the Government kana whatever public institution, e e sa obameleng those rulings, go tshwanetse gore e nne in the form of court order, gore fa ba sa dire jalo, ba tseelwe dikgato.
So fa e le gore ke recommendations fela, then di ka nna tsa gatakiwa go sena some judicial powers tse gongwe di ka ntshang court orders, ga re ka ke ra bona Ombudsman gore o na le meno.

Re gakologelwa ka 2016, the VP of BNF, Dibeela, o ne a ngongorega ka go dirisiwa ga... MR CHAIRPERSON: Reverend Dibeela.
DR TSHABANG: Reverend Dr Prince Dibeela, a baya kgang pele gore nnyaa, kana BDP enjoys 80 per cent of the coverage ya Botswana Television (BTV), the public broadcaster, as compared to the 18 per cent which is given to combined opposition.

So, the Ombudsman, then Augustine Makgonatsotlhe, reported that, the alleged report e supa gore tota this is unfair.

It is not balanced.

We still continue to see the public broadcaster covering BDP go feta combined opposition.
Golo mo go supa fela gore le fa Ombudsman a ka ntsha pego, it looks like e tlaa beelwa ka fa tlhoko.

So those recommendations di nne enforceable and the findings must be enforceable, di kgone go nna le moko kana meno in the form of a court order.

This must stop and must stop with immediate effect.

So, Minister, ke a utlwa gore o aga diofisi lefatshe le lotlhe; bo Maun, Tsabong le Palapye, mme ke bona e le gore rona tota o re tlodile.
Kwa North o re beile fela kwa Francistown, mme o tshwanetse go lebelela gore dikgaolo di bophara.

The population is increasing; the complaints therefore follows gore le tsone di a oketsega.

So, nte ke buelele kgaolo ya me gore le rona o re atumetse lephata lone le, gore fa o ntse o akanyetsa ba bangwe, ke utlwa o re Tsabong the next financial year, go raya gore the other financial year, e tshwanetse gore e tle kwa go rona.
O re tsenye mo lenaneong rraetsho, le rona re kgone go nna le tshono ya go nna le Ombudsman gore dikgang tsa rona di kgone go utlwala ka bofefo, tsa reediwa.

Ke bo ke tshwaele gape gore kana ke mo Komiting ya Infrastructure, e re neng ra ya to inspect ofisi ya gago e e agiwang kwa Maun.

E ne e supa gore e na le madiadia e bile e tlile go jela Goromente madi.
Fa o bona o setse o ikopela madi gape gore e tle go feleletswa on top of the P30 million that was allocated, mathata e ne e le gore Government does not supervise this project.

Your other sister department like bone ba Infrastructure, go raya gore le nne le bapile le bone, le ba kgotlakgotla gore fa go agiwa dikago tsone tse, le bo le na le bone, 11 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1700 – OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMANCommittee of Supply ka gore tota they supervise this project from Gaborone.
Le ba gakolole gore Maun le Gaborone, ga o ka ke wa supervise projects o tswa kwa Gaborone.

Tota rona kwa dikgaolong, re na le mathata a gore projects which are supervised from Gaborone di na le loopholes le delays tse dintsi, that is why gompieno jaana, madi a P30 million a tsamaile a sa fetsa project, o kopa some more.
Re kopa gore lona as the maiden department... gore ofisi e ya Ombudsman, segolobogolo ya lefatshe la rona la Botswana, e inaakantse le tsa mafatshefatshe le mafatshe a Africa, ba African Ombudsman and Mediators Association ba ne ba le mo teng ba inaakantse le bone.

E ne e le bone the Chairperson ya Southern African Chapter of that association.

Se e ne e le boeteledipele jwa ga Rre Augustine Makgonatsotlhe, ke makgonatsotlhe fela jaaka leina le bua rra.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Your time is up.


DR TSHABANG: Projects tsone tse, le kgone go nna gaufi le your sister department.

Thank you very much Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Member for Nkange.

The next Honourable Member to contribute will be Honourable Assistant Minister responsible for Agriculture, Honourable Member for Mmadinare.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MR MOLEBATSI): Ke a go leboga Mr Chairperson.

Ke a go dumedisa mo mosong ono.


Ke dumedisa bakaulengwe Mapalamente tlotlegang.

Mr Chairperson, ke tseye tshono e le nna gore ke latlhele a le mabedi mo kgannyeng e ya Committee of Supply ya Ombudsman.

a a Mr Chairperson, ke simolole ke re ke sebete se molangwana ka lefoko Ombudsman.

Ka mafatshe a mangwe a dule mo go bitseng ofisi e ba re Ombudsman, ka gore re batho ba re ikayang gore we are gender sensitive, ke eng re sa re Ombudsperson jaaka mafatshe a mangwe, jaaka bo Canada, ke e fa sekai.
Ga ba sa tlhole ba re Ombudsman, ba re Ombudsperson.

Fa go ka tsena mme mongwe, ke e fa sekai, fa go ka tsena Mma Leinaeng, a go tlaa nna go ntse gotwe Mme Mma Leinaeng wa Ombudsman?

Kana fa go buiwa jalo, o kare go kaiwa bong jwa rre.

Sa bobedi, ke leboge Rre Augustine Makgonatsotlhe yo mo Palamenteng re mo itseng thata, fa go na le workshops tsa Palamente, o ne a tla kwa go rona, a tle go re tlhalosetsa gore ofisi ya gagwe e dira eng.
Re utlwile pego e bega gore o ile kwa tirong e nngwe, jaanong o ile go emela lefatshe le kwa Kuwait.

O ka emela lefatshe le rra, ke monna wa tlhwatlhwa.

Re mo leboge gore fa a ne a le teng, rona ba re elang dilo tlhoko re le fair, re ne re bona tema kwa lephateng le.

Jaaka go ne go sa tswa go buiwa, go ne go na le dikgang tse dintsi, dingwe di tswa kwa dikgaolong tsa rona, mme ba di reetsa, di tsamaya sentle, re bona tema.
Re ne re bona 12 Tona jaaka a sa tswa go bua gore, Case Management System kwa go bone e fetogile.

Gongwe ke yone e e dirang gore go nne le diphetogo tse di kana tse re bonang gore go na le tema.

Maloba fa re ne re atolosa molao, dithata le ditirelo tsa bone, re ne re bua gore a lephata le le goroge kwa dikgaolong.

Ba simolotse, gatwe Rome was not built in one day.

Re a bona gore ba a aga kwa Tsabong, Maun le kwa Palapye fela jalo.
Jaaka Rre Tshabang, ke a kopa rra ke khubame gore le kwa Kgaolong ya me ya Mmadinare, a ba goroge.

A ke ba bone ba na le ofisi fa Maokatumo fale.

Maokatumo ke service centre e e tshwereng Tamasane, Diloro, Kgagodi, Mogapi le Mogapinyana, metse e le metlhano e e ka reng fa Batswana ba nna le dingongorego, e bo ba tabogela fela gone fale.

Ba sa ye gope kgakala, ga ba tle Gaborone, Francistown kana Palapye, ba bona thuso koo.

Metse e metona e tshwana Mmadinare le Sefhophe, re bone ofisi teng.
Fa go le thata re ka ba batlela ofisi ka Constituency Community Project (CCP), gore batho bagarona ba tle ba bone dithuso.

Ka fa go neng go ntse ka teng, ka gore ofisi e nna kgakala, o ne o fitlhela Mopalamente le Mokhanselara e nna bone Ombudsman, batho ba ngongoregela mo go rona.

Fa Puso e sa mo tsaya sentle, ba lala ba tla mo go rona mo.

Re tlaa reng, re tshwanelwa ke gore re nne melomo ya bone go tlisa dikgang tsa bone kwa ofising ya gago.

Fa le atumetse batho, go ka nna molemo.


Kwa ntle ga moo, ka gore ga re ka ke ra agelwa diofisi nako e nngwefela, gongwe go ka nna molemo gore nako nngwe ofisi e tsamaye.

Beke e nngwe e ya go ema fa Shakawe, beke e nngwe e bo e tla kwa Tshokwe, e dira mobile offices.

Beke eo batho ba tla go ipobola, ba na le mathata a gore ga ba a tsewa sentle ke Puso.

Motho o ne a ka botsa gore, tota ofisi eo tiro ya yone e tona ke eng e bile e tswa kae?
Kana ofisi e, mafatshe a tshwana le a Denmark, ke lefatshe le le nang le the oldest Ombudsman scheme.

Le na le the most effective scheme kana ditirelo tse.

Gongwe re ka bo re kopa mo go bone.

Le bone ba dira fela jaaka re ne re bua gore, ke mosireletsi wa setšhaba.
Fa go na le dingongorego, Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1700 – OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMANCommittee of Supply setšhaba se tle koo go tla go ipobola, ba batla mongwe yo o ka nnang mosireletsi kana motshereganyi fa ba na le dingongorego, mme ba sena madi kana nako ya go ka isa Puso kwa makgotlatshekelong.

Re ka bo re kopa jaaka ke e fa sekai ka the Danish perspective, the oldest Ombudsman Scheme in the world, having been there from the 18th Century.

E bereka sentle thata.


Kana bone ba dira sentle thata ka gore fa gongwe ga ba emele gore motho a tle go ngongorega kwa go bone.

Ba leba dikgang fa gongwe mo dipampiring, ba bo ba bona gore gatwe go diragala se kwa Botswana Meat Commission (BMC), batho ga ba tsewe sentle, ba a tweng.

Bone fela ka bo bone, ke bone ba emelela ba ya go tlhotlhomisa gore gatwe mathata ke eng mo lephateng le.

Fa gongwe batho ba a tla go ngongorega, ke nngwe ya dilo tse ba di dirang.

Fa gongwe ba tsaya anonymous reports.


Ka molao wa bone wa the Danish perspective ya Ombudsman, ba kgona go tsaya le ditshebo le ditshele.

Ba kgona gore fa e le tshebo, ka gatwe ga go ke go nna le mosi fela go sena molelo, ba a di latela le tsone gore gatwe go diragala eng, ba tlhotlhomise.

Ke se re ka se dirang, go thusa setšhaba.


Mr Chairperson, kana phathi ya Domkrag e rile fa e ipapaletsa ditlhopho, e ne ya bua gore e tla a dira gore e fetole melao le melawana, e tlhabolole makalana mangwe a a tshwanang le bo Ombudsman.
Re ne re re, “Government will identify policies, legislation, institutions requiring reform to make the environment conducive for economic transformation.” Ke sone se re se dirileng gore re oketse dithata le ditirelo tsa ofisi ya ga Ombudsman, gore gompieno e bo ba kgona go reetsa dikgang tse di amang ditshwanelo tsa motho kana ditshwanelo tsa setšhaba.
Kana fa go ntse jaana, go raya gore fa Goromente gongwe a sa ise ditirelo dingwe tse ka fa molaong e leng ditshwanelo tsa bone, setšhaba seo se ka ikatumetsa Goromente.

Gongwe ba timiwa metsi kana sengwe se se lebaganyeng le ditshwanelo tsa bone.

Ba na le gore ba ka ya go ipobola kwa go Ombudsman gore, mme tse tsone di goroga leng.

Ke sone se re dirileng gore re nne Puso e e direlang dilo mo mpaananeng, e bile we want everybody to have access to us.

Modulasetilo, ga go ke go nna fela go sena bothata.
Kwa go Ombudsman re a itse gore bana ba rona ba bereka ka bothata, go tshwanetse gore go nne le public education, batho ba tlhaloganye gore e dira eng.

E seng public fela, le bone badirelapuso ba o fitlhelang go ngongoregwa ka bone, ka gore fa gongwe bana ba rona ba ofisi e fa ba re ba ya go tlhotlhomisa dikgang, ga ba tsewe tsia, go nna madiadia, ba isiwa kwa le kwa.

Bangwe badirelapuso ba bodipa, ba a ba dipela, ga ba ba neele se ba tshwanetseng gore ba se neelwe.
Ofisi e e tshwanetse gore e nne le dithata tsa gore fa motho gongwe a sa tsamaisane le bone, o ka isiwa kwa makgotlatshekelong, kana ba nne le thata ya gore le bone ba tshware.

Fa motho a riana, ba kgone gore ba bitse mapodise gore tlang le re tseeleng motho ke yo, ga a dirisane sentle le rona.

Go ka dira gore ofisi e nne effective, e bereke fela jaaka re bona kwa mafatsheng a mangwe.

Ke ne ke bua ka Denmark, e bereka sentle thata.

Batho ba bangwe ba a itlhokomolosa le fa gotwe ba a batliwa.
Fa gotwe Mosireletsi o a go batla, ba a itlhokomolosa.

Rre Molelekeng kwa Mmadinare yo ofisi e mo thusang, o tlaa bona ditlamelo tsa gago jaaka o batla.

Ke eme gone foo Mr Chairperson.

Ke ema Tona nokeng.

Ke a leboga.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Le rona re lebogile rraarona Motlotlegi Mothusa Tona wa tsa Temothuo, new Integrated Support Programme for Arable Agriculture teng.
Development (ISPAAD) Scheme e Honourable Minister responsible for Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism, Honourable Philda Nani Kereng, Mmaagwe Galase.

le mo MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISM (MS KERENG): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

Ke dumedise Ntlo e e tlotlegang.

Le nna ke tseye sebaka se, go lebogela pego ya ga Motlotlegi Mthimkhulu ya Ofisi ya Mosireletsi.
Ke ema go atla le gone go ema nokeng pego e. Ke pego ya go kopela lephata madi, le le botlhokwatlhokwa.

Lephata le, botlhokwa jwa lone ka bokhutshwane jaaka le nankotswe, ke go itumedisa le go kgotsofatsa bagarona ka go fokotsa dingongorego.

Le araba dilelo tsa Batswana ba ba reng, “ga re thusiwe sentle mo ditirelong tsa Puso.

Ga re direlwe boammaaruri.

Ga re a tseelwa ditshwetso tse di maleba.

Re kgokgontshitswe kana re rontshitswe.” Ofisi e, e alafa dingongorego tse di ntseng jalo.
E tlhomamisa gore melao e e teng, e re tlholang re e dira, e diragadiwa sentle go kgotsofatsa mongwe le mongwe.

Go nne le tekatekanyo le tshiamelo jaaka re le mo pusong ya batho ka batho.

Re tshwanetse re tlhomamise gore tsamaiso ya Puso e tsisa maduo a a itumedisang.

Go ntse go buiwa gotwe lefatshe leno, batho ba lone ga ba itumele ba le bantsi; unhappy nation.

Dilo tse dingwe fa e le gore go ntse jalo, di dirwa ke gore batho ga ba itumelele ditsamaiso le ditirelo tsa Puso.
Jaanong 13 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1700 – OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMANCommittee of Supply go nna le dingongorego.

Fa batho ba ngongorega, ba bo ba itseela molao mo diatleng, ba ka nna mo ntweng kana ba ithusa ka fa ba ka kgonang go ithusa ka teng.

Ba leka go ikalafa mo dingongoregong tsa bone.


Ofisi e, e tlhomamisa gore tsamaiso ya melao e diragadiwa sentle le gore ba ba tsamaisang ditirelo tsa Puso, ba se ka ba fitlhelwa ba itireletse ga bone, ba dule mo tsamaisong, ba rontshitse Batswana ditshwanelo tsa bone.

Mo nakong e e tshwanang le e Mr Chairperson, Puso e itlamile gore e tlaa direla Batswana ka manontlhotlho, lerato le tekatekano.

Go botlhokwa gore re lebe ofisi e, e le e e thusang go sokamolola le go baakanya ditirelo tsa rona.
Botlhokwa jwa teng ke gore, ditlhotlhomiso e tshwanetse e nne tsa boleng jo bo kwa godimo, tse di dirang ka boammaaruri, di bereka ka dilo tse di tlhomamisitsweng go ka nna bosupi jo bo ka isang kwa ditshwetsong.

Bosupi e nne jone.

Kwa bofelong, ditshwetso tse di tsewang ke Mosireletsi, e bo e le tse di tsamaisitsweng ka tsela e e siameng.

Ke gone re tlaa supang gore re mo legatong le le siameng la go ka tlisa customer satisfaction mo ditirelong tsa rona.
Fa ke lebile ka fa lephata le dirileng ka teng mo ngwageng o o fetileng Mr Chairperson, ka tshoboko, go wetsa cases go supafala gore go kwa tlase thata ka 36 per cent and 47 per cent.

Tse dingwe di tswa kwa ngwageng o o fetileng ole.

Go raya gore fa dikgetsi di tlhatlagana jaana, di tswa kwa ngwageng o mongwe le tsa ngwaga ono di sa wele, re kwa morago.

Ga re direle Batswana ka bofefo jo bo tlhokafalang.

Fa go ntse jalo, go raya gore go nna le ditshenyegelo tsa madi.
Go dia batho go bona ditirelo le ditharabololo tsa dikgang tsa bone.

Motlotlegi Tona, a re lebeleleng gore dikgetsi di tswalelwa ka bonako ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Re a tlhaloganya jaaka o supa gore mathata e nnile COVID-19 le communication system.

O supa fa le setse le le mo go tsone go di baakanya.

A go nneng bofefo re tle re thuse Batswana ka nako.

Go diegela boammaaruri le tshiamisetso ka bogone e nna kgokgontsho.

Public education; paragraph 8, Mr Chairperson, ke supe gore e botlhokwa thata.
Batho ba tshwaraganele go ka itsisiwe ka ofisi e. Gape e aname.

Fa go na le offices tse di santseng di le manotonyana, a le tsone di oketsege ka satellite.

Batho ba di bone kwa ba leng teng.

Ke batla go bua ka offices tse di agiwang, tse di supafalang le tsone di le bonya.

Ke tsaya gore motlotlegi yo mongwe o sa tswa go feta ka yone.

A re gagamatseng supervision le monitoring ya development projects gore dikago tse, di fele ka nako.

Fa go na le bothata, bo bonwe ka nako, bo rarabololwe ka nako.
Ba ba diang tiro, ba tseelwe dikgato.

Ga re ka ke ra kgona go kopa madi, re a oketse mme ditirelo tsa rona di le kwa morago.

Paragraph 17; Mr Chairperson, ke batla go bua ka ya legislative review gore ofisi e, e okeleditswe boikarabelo go itebaganya le ditshwanelo tsa batho kana human rights.

Fa re tsweletse re utlwa ka yone, e ka diragatsa ditirelo tse di manontlhotlho tsa batho.

Jaanong golo fa go tlile go tlhokafala bodiredi jo bo oketsegileng, le ditsompelo.
Ga re utlwe sentle gore lenaneo le ya go tsenya human rights mo ditirelong tsa Ombudsman dife?

Ke kopa re tlhalosediwe gore strategy sa to mainstream human rights mo ditirelong tsa Ombudsman ke eng?

Ke bona go le botlhokwa Mr Chairperson, ke gatelele gore fa re bua ka ditshwanelo tsa batho, re tshwanetse ra simolola ka dife?

Re raya batho bomang?

Re ba kgobokanya jang, re bo re ba direle ka go amega ga bone?
Ditshwanelo tsa bomme, bana, banana, batho ba ba nang le bogole le baba gateletsweng ke diemo tse di rileng re ya go di diragatsa ka tsela e e ntseng jang?

This Ombudsman’s new portfolio e tshwanetse ya supa gore re ya go bereka jang le makgotlana a a ikemetseng ka nosi, ke e fa sekai, go tlisa kwa pele ditshwanelo tsa ditlhopha tse ke sa tswang go di bua?

Re bo re supa gore tsela ya rona gore re ya go dira jang ka projects tsa go nna jalo?

Strategy ke eng?

Framework ke eng?


Ke tsene kwa kopong ya madi; go setse go supagetse gore madi a lephata le neng le a filwe tiriso ya one e kwa tlase Mr Chairperson.

Fa e le kwa tlase jaana, ga ke bone go utlwala gore re ya go dira eng se se tokafetseng?

Madi a a kopiwang a oketsegile ka 25 per cent, re ya go tlhomamisa jang gore a ya go diragadiwa?

Ditirelo tsa one a di tlaa wela?

Madi a, a diragatswe ka go supa gore re oketsa budget ka 25 per cent.
Re sa tswa go supa gore a a kwa tlase a re neng re a filwe, ga a kgona go wela.

Ke tlaa boelela kgang e ke neng ke e bua gore, re ikaelela go dira jang gore development projects tsa rona are supervised?

Di tsenngwa leitlho, di a tlhotlhiwa, di a lebelelwa, e bile gape di tseelwa dikgato fa rakonteraka kana badiredi ba dia gore di diragadiwe ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.
Kwa bofelong ke supe gore ke dumalana le kopo e gore e oketsege ka ditshwaetso tsa gore re tokafatse how we supervise, monitoring and evaluation, le reporting e e tshwanetseng go dirwa ka nako.

Re supegediwe gore lephata le, le ya gore dira jang ka ditirelo tsa rona.

Go supafala gore diofisi tsa rona tse di kwa Tsabong ga di maleba.

Re batlile plots.
Re batlile plots.

A construction e tlaa wela 14 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1700 – OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMANCommittee of Supply mo ngwageng o o tlang mo teng ga this budget that is approved?

Tse dingwe tse di santseng di diegile di ya go fefosiwa jang?

Re ka atolosetsa kae?

Mr Chairperson, ke wele fela jalo ke re Ofisi ya Mosireletsi batho ba a e tlhoka.

Se ke se lemogang ke gore, bontsi ga bo itse gore bo ka e bona jang ka bogaufi.
Public education e re e buang, re tshwanetse re e atolose, e tswe mo boikarabelong jwa Puso.

Ke ne ke bua ka makgotla a a ikemetseng ka nosi a a itseng go dira advocacy kana go rutana.

Ba ka dira campaigns, go ka phutha batho, ba ba phuthulolela selo seo.

Fa e le gore re santse re tlhaela ka ditirelo tsa maranyane tsa go ka kgobokanya batho re ba ruta, kana COVID e re itsa go dira diphuthego tse di kgobokanelwang le one maranyane a, televisions, mo go leng teng re go dirise.
Ke kopa ke gakolole gore go botlhokwa gore re fefose go isa Mosireletsi kwa bathong Mr Chairperson, mme le batho ba thusiwe gore fa ba na le dikgang kwa Mosireletsing, ba ka ipapana jang gore ba se ka ba ya go welwa ke kgang mme tota e ne e sa tshwanela go ba wela.

Gongwe ba ka sireletsa bosupu jang, ba ka baakanya cases tsa bone jang, ba ka thusiwa ke bo mang ka tsela e e ntseng jang mme kwa bofelong re kgone gore re ntshe services tse di utlwalang.
Sa bofelofelo ke gore kana mme fa re re cases di wetse, ga re bue ka enforcement ya the orders kana judgments.

Re dira jang gone foo go tlhomamisa gore fa re re case e wetse, re raya le gore e diragaditswe kwa maphateng?

Mr Chairperson, ke ne ke re ke atle mokaulengwe ka mafoko a a kalo le dikgakololo tseo, kopo ya gagwe e a amogelesega.

Thank you Mr Chairperson.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba re o nne o bala dikgang.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Minister.


Ba tlhokomologe ke go sireleditse... MS KERENG: ...(Inaudible)... MR CHAIRPERSON: Ke go sireleditse, a ko o didimale.

Honourable Member for Serowe South.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Re ne ra dumalana gore ke tlaa tsena fa go ene Mr Chairperson.

O tlaa re itshwarela gore re ne ra se ka ra communicate le wena.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Gakere ke itse gore ga o ka ke wa ntsietsa Rraagwe Masa?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le fa go ka nna jang Mr Chairperson.
MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Member for Jwaneng-Mabutsane.

MR REATILE (JWANENG-MABUTSANE): Mma ke go leboge Mr Chairperson.

Le nna ke simolole ka go akgela mo mafokong a Tona a re a beileng pele a kopo ya madi.

Ke bo ke simolola le nna ke tswelela ka mosepele wa gore ofisi e re buang ka yone e botlhokwa thata mo Batswaneng gore tota ditshwanelo tsa bone ba bone gore di sireletsegile.
Le fa ba sa direlwang tshiamelo teng, go tle go felele e le gore ofisi e e ka tsiboga gore e re mo tsamaong ya nako, tharabololo e nne teng.

Jaanong gongwe ke simolole fela ke leboge yo o ntseng a tshwere ofisi.

Re bone maloba Tona le ene a setse a kwala a supa gore o mo romela go ya go emela lefatshe la Botswana kwa Kuwait.
Ke dumela gore o ya go emela lefatshe la Botswana ka botswerere kwa a romilweng teng ka gore ke motho yo re berekileng le ene e le senatla ka fa ba mo tlhalositseng ka teng le ka fa le rona re mo itseng ka teng.

Re dumela gore Modimo o tlaa mo etelela, o tlaa mo agelela go fitlhelela konteraka ya gagwe e fela a boela gae kwa thomo e felelang teng.

Mr Chairperson, ke dumela gore le ene yo o tlaa tsenang, ga gona sepe se se kalokalo se a ka se dirang fa melao e e santse e ntse jaaka e ntse.
Ke ne ke solofetse gore melao e e tlaa re fa re ya go bua gore ba tlaabo ba tshwere dikgang tse di tshwanang le tsa bo human rights, e tlaabo e le gore jaanong dithata tsa gagwe di tiisitswe, go bona gore ka fa Batswana ba tlaabong ba lela ka teng, jaaka e le gore o tshwere the human rights, e bo e le gore go raya gore o tlaabo a rarabolola dikgang tse di rileng, e seng mo a dirang reports a record the minutes a di fetisetsa kwa maphateng a yo o ngongoregang a ngongoregang ka bone.
Go bo go raya gore yo o ka tsibogelang se a se buang o ka tsiboga, yo o sa batleng go tsiboga o tlhokomologa fela, go bo go ntse go sa reye sepe fela.

Mr Chairperson, gongwe dilo tse dingwe o fitlhela e le gore re tlhomile diofisi tse ka tsela e nngwe re tshamekisang madi fela.
E a bo e le kgang ya go tshwaya boxes gore e re kamoso Tona a le kwa mafatsheng gotwe a o na le ofisi ya gore a bo a re, “go ntse jalo, ke ofisi e re saleng re nna le yone ka ngwaga wa gore, mme e bile e operational and functional” mme tota e sena boleng jwa gore e ka re Motswana a ile koo, a tla le ene a bona gore tharabololo e tswa go nna teng, ofisi e e tswa go 15 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1700 – OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMANCommittee of Supply tsaya dikgato tse di maleba, indeed, e sireletsa motshedi mo lefatsheng la Botswana ka sengwe le sengwe.
Ke diofisi fela tse di kgabisitseng fela Mr Chairperson.

Di kgabisa fela gore e re mafatshe a mangwe jaaka bo Aferika Borwa ba bua ka dikgang tsa bone tsa bo Thuli Madonsela gore o tsere dikgang, re bo re re, “mme le rona re na le yone.” Jaaka re gakologelwa Mr Chairperson, ba BCP ba kile ba report gore wa Vice President wa nako eo Rre Khama ga a na tshwanelo ya gore o ka fofa ka difofane.

Tautona wa nako eo a supa gore nna ke mo letleletse gore fofe ka difofane.
O ka ipotsa gore jaanong fa e le gore dilo di nna jaana, yo a ikuela, ofisi e dumalana le ene, fa ofisi e dumalana le ene, kgantele Tautona o tswa fela fa, jaanong ke gore Tautona ke motho yo o tsamayang fela fa godimo ga melao.

Rona re ne re tsaya gore gatwe molao o sireleditse Tautona fela gore a se ka a sekisiwa, mme e seng mo e leng gore jaanong ba re fa tlase ga gagwe o tlaabo a re sireletsa a re ke ene a re romileng.

Jaanong dilo tse Mr Chairperson, ke tse di latlhisang Ofisi ya ga Ombudsman boleng.
Re tlaa tshela e ntse e le gore ba hira nako le nako go ntse gotwe ba na le diagente di le kana.

Diagente tse, ga di reye sepe ka gore matlhale le dithata tse ba ka di dirisang, di felela e le gore ofisi epe e ba supang tshokamo ka yone, ga gona ope yo o kganang go e tseela dikgato ka gore le bone ga ba a neelwa tshwanelo ya gore ba ka tsaya dikgato.

Jaanong gone mo Mr Chairperson, tota re fa e le gore re mo maitisong fela re a tlotla.
Ditlotlo tse re di buang fa, ga di solegele Motswana ope molemo ka sepe fa re bua ka budget ya lephata le.

Re ka lebogela fela gore ee, go na le bana ba Batswana ba ba berekang mo teng, fa kgwedi e fela, ba kgona gore jaanong ba rekele bana ba bone phaletšhe.

Ke sone fela se ke ka se lebogelang mo ofising ya teng, not gore mme yo o tlaa tlang a lela o ka bona tharabololo mo ofising ya teng.
Gongwe e tlaa re letsatsi lengwe fa ofisi e e ntse e tsweletse e le teng, e tlaa re kamoso Honourable Mthimkhulu a seyo mo ofising e, go tsene Honourable Hikuama, ba neelwe dithata.

E tlaa re kamoso e bo e le gore jaanong Batswana ba itse gore ofisi ntsaana e ne e ntse e le teng e bo e sa neelwe dithata tse di maleba gore yo o tlang a ikuela a kgone go bona tharabololo ya selelo se a tlang ka sone.
Gompieno ke dikgang tse e leng gore re kgabisitse fela, ga go reye sepe, mme Tona tiro ya gagwe ke gore e re fela fa a bula molomo a bo a sireletsa a bolela gore kwa mafatsheng a mangwe ofisi e teng, ofisi e independent, ke gone ka fa a tlaabong a boka ka teng.

Re itse gore the very same person yo o a e sireletsang gompieno, kamoso ke ene yo a tlaabong a lela a bua ka fa e senang mosola ka teng.

Jaanong re itse gore malatsi ga a tlhabe ka go tshwana, mme le fa a ntse a tlhaba kwa botlhaba tsatsi fela.
Ke tsone dilo tse re setseng re di ithutile ka Batswana ba ba tshwereng marapo Mr Chairperson.

Mr Chair, ke na le dikwalo tse dintsintsi tse ke neng ke kwalela ba ofisi e ka dilelo tse di neng di tla mo ofising.

Se ke ka se ba lebogelang, ga se batho ba ba bapang le mekwalo fa o e rometse kwa go bone.

Ga ba tshwane le maphata ka bontsi.

Ba tlaa go fetola ba bolela gore re tsere kgang re tsamaile go tswa fa go ya go tsena fa, mme gompieno molao ga o re letle gore re ka tswelela ka yone.
Le e ba e rarabololetseng ba felela ba recommend those they recommend.

Jaaka ke bua, tota they are the people who record the minutes fela ba di fetisa, go tswa foo yo o lelang, ga a ka ke a bona tharabololo mo go se a neng a tla lela ka sone.

Re bua dikgang tse Honourable Mthimkhulu a di itseng.
O a itse gore kwa kgaolong ya gagwe e le Mopalamente ba a tla teng koo ba ba tlang ba lela, a ba ise kwa Ofising ya ga Ombudsman, mme ga go nke go nna le tharabololo e e maleba, e e tiileng, e ntse e le moemedi wa kgaolo e e mo tlhophileng ka dipalopalo.

Dilelo tse di leng koo, di tshwana fela le tse di leng jwa Jwaneng-Mabutsane, Chobe le Gaborone Central.
Ga gona gope kwa e leng re ka re ofisi eo e bereka… e se gore batho ga ba bone tharabololo ka mabaka a gore go na le boitseme mo Ofising ya ga Ombudsman.

Bone ba bereka ka fa tools tse ba di neetsweng di ntseng ka teng, mabaka e le gore ga ba a lomelwa meno.

Jaanong ba nyatsega go feta.

E bile kana fa ba ne ba nyadiwa ke bo radikonteraka, go ka bo go le botoka.

Gopola motho e le modirelapuso a bo a nyadiwa ke badirelapuso e bile e le ba maemo a magolwane.
Gone mo Honourable Chair, go latlha boleng jwa lefatshe, go goga boleng jwa lefatshe mo seretseng, ga go supe tota… Ke gore nna le gompieno go ntse gotwe “re e kopa kwa, ofisi e e etla kwa kgaolong ya me,” ke itse gore ga go reye sepe ka gore ga e kgakala le nna.

Nako le nako dikgang tse di tlang mo go nna, ke a di ba itsese, ba leka ka fa ba lekang ka teng.
It is not vicinity ya ofisi gore e nne two kilometres, 20 kilometres kana 200 kilometres, kgang ke gore dikgato tse ba di tsereng ba le a 1000 kilometres away ke tse di ntseng.
Diofisi tsa Mapalamente tsone di teng tse Batswana ba tsenang kwa go tsone, Mapalamente ba fetisetsa dikgang kwa go Ombudsman e bo e le gore mme ga go nne le tharabololo ya selelo sa Motswana ka fa se tlang se ntse ka teng ka gore Mopalamente ene ga a rarabolole sepe, ke messenger who conveys selelo sa motlhophi a se fetisa kwa diofising tse di maleba.
16 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1700 – OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMANCommittee of Supply Go bo go raya gore ofisi e le fa dilelo di tsena kwa go yone ga gona le fa e le ka fa e ka reng kamoso Motswana a ipelafatsa ka teng a re, gompieno dilelo tsa me di fitlhile kwa ofising ya konokono, ofisi ya ga Ombudsman.
Ke tsone dikgang tse ke neng ke re ke gakolole fela Minister gore, tota Minister, tsaya madi rra o ye go neela bana ba Batswana ba ba leng kwa Ombudsman ba amogele salaries tsa bone, ka gore reports tsone ba ya go tswelela ba di dira, jaaka ke re they record minutes tse di sa reyeng sepe fela fa pele ga matlho a gago o le Tona ya bone.

Frustrations tse ba nang natso, ga gona se o ka se dirang ka tsone.
Re go kopile gore o baakanye melao, o ba lomele meno, o ganne ka o batla gore e nne ofisi fela e e tlaareng kamoso o bo o ntse o re, mme re na le ofisi ya ga Ombudsman kwa Botswana, re tshwana le mafatshe a mangwe.

Jaanong tsaya madi rra, bone ke ba lebogela fela gore ba nne ba tsenye bana dikole, gongwe letsatsi lengwe ofisi e e tlaa tla e nna le dithata tse di tiileng, tse di bonalang, tse re sa di akanyetseng, which we do not claim.
Ke re Honourable Mthimkhulu, I support you gore o tseye madi a rra o ye go a neela Batswana ba amogele salaries, ka gore maduo ga a yo ka fa molao o o ba o diretseng o leng weak ka teng, o le useless, hopeless.

Molao wa teng ga o reye sepe mo ngwaneng wa Motswana.

Ke a leboga.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Le rona re lebogile Rraarona, Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Jwaneng-Mabutsane, kwa Thankane le kwa Mokhoma.

Honourable Member for Molepolole North, Rraagwe Tshepi.

MR REGOENG (MOLEPOLOLE NORTH): Tanki Modulasetilo.


Modulasetilo, ke a go leboga gore o bo o mphile sebaka se rraetsho le nna go akgela mo pegong le kopo e re tswang go e bewa ke Mothusa Tona mo ofising ya ga Tautona ya Lephata le la Mosireletsi.

Ke lephata le le botlhokwa fela thata mo tsamaisong ya rona ya puso ya batho ka batho, le kobamelo molao.

Jaanong re tshwanetse gore e re fa re bua ka kopo e ya madi e re bo re itse gore re bua ka lephata le le botlhokwa mo go sireletsegeng ga Motswana.
Modulasetilo, ke batla go simolola fela jaaka maabane e rile fa ke bua ka Lephata la Administration of Justice, ke bo ke re ke tshwenyegile ka tiriso ya madi, ka gore Tona o fa gore a kope madi gore re a rebole, mme go a lemosega gore e a re re sena go rebola madi a a bo a sa dirisiwe jaaka a ne a re solofeditse gore ke a go dirisa madi a. Selo se se a tshwenya.

Fa o bona lefatshe le la rona re le bonya mo dilong tse dingwe ke dikgang tse tsa gore e re le fa madi a dule a bo a sa dirisiwe.
Re a utlwa gore o bua ka gore kana re ne re le mo COVID, yes ke dumalana le ene, mme fa o tsaya fa moragonyana o ntse o boela fa morago, the trend was the same le pele ga COVID.

Fa o ka tsaya report ya 2019/2020 fa a ne a kopa madi fale, o ya go fitlhela e ntse e le gore tiriso ya madi bogolo jang mo go lone lekalana le la Development Budget e ntse e kwa tlase.

Jaanong selo se fela se le nosi ga se re beye sentle gore e re fa go rebotswe madi a bo a sa dirisiwe.
Le gompieno jaaka a re a kopa re batla go a rebola jaana, re a rebola jaanong re le bete semolangwana gore tota se se yang gore gompieno re dumele gore a ya go dirisiwa ke eng, e rile mo dingwageng tse di fa morago a bo a sa dirisiwe.

Ke bua se Modulasetilo ka gore, fa o lebelela mo ngwageng o o neng o feta o, Tona o ntse a re begela gore Development Budget, ba dirisitse only 25 per cent ya madi a re ba a abetseng.
O bo o ipotsa gore jaanong ka gore re setse ka dibeke tse pedi gore ngwaga o bo o fela, a the 75 per cent yo o setseng o tlaa kgona gore a dirisiwe?

O ne a bua ka diofisi tsa kwa Maun le Palapye gore di ne di sa dirwa ka fa go tshwanetseng gore di dirwe, mme kana nna ke ete ke re, le jaaka maabane ke ne ke bua le gompieno ke bua ke rialo ke re, Tona, ke gore fa le kopa madi go ise go ipaakanngwe on the ground, le a kopela eng?
Ke eng e se re fela gompieno fa e le gore o batla go aga ofisi kwa Molepolole o bo o simolola planning eo ya gore go ipaakanngwe, lefatshe le bonwe, plans di dirwe.

E re yo o yang go tsewa gore a age e bo e le motho wa tlhwatlhwa, a ya go dira tiro e e tshwanetseng.

E seng gore e re re le fa gare e bo e kete jaanong go tabogilwe, go baakanngwa tse dingwe tse di tshwanetseng gore di ka bo di ka baakanngwa.
Fa gongwe tota go fa kgang e ya gore, “re diilwe ke sele, baagi ba ne ba sa re, rakonteraka o ne a re,” nnyaa, ga ke bone fa re ka tswelela re e fa dikgang tse di ntseng jalo gore e bo Batswana ba sa thusiwa.

Maloba ke buile fa re bua mo go e ya kabo ya madi ke re, kana madi a Development Budget, ke one a a boelang kana a a berekelang Batswana ba re ba emetseng ka kwa ntle, a a recurrent ke salaries tse e leng gore ba ba mo ofising, ba diragatsi ba a amogela.
Mme o a go fitlhela one a dirisitswe jaaka o bona fa gompieno go dirisitswe 78 per cent.

A dirisitswe, mme tse ba tshwanetseng gore ba di dire tsone di sa diragala.

Re re nnyaa, a ko Tona o bone gore o dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang go baakanya dilo tse di tshwanang le tsone tse di ntseng jalo.

Ke bo ke boela gape mo go lone lephata le ka case resolution; o kare e bonya fela thata, mme le yone o file excuse ya gore kana re ne re tswa mo COVID.
17 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1700 – OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMANCommittee of Supply Kana batho ba batla ditiro.

O bona gore cases le ne le di amogela go ntse go le COVID.

Le di amogela di ntsifala go ntse go le COVID.

Go pala eng gore jaanong le di ntshe le di diragatse?

A ke go amogela fela, mme gore le ntshe maduo o bo o re COVID e simolola e nna mathata?
Ke re fa e le gore lephata le mathata e nna gore ga le na batho ba ba lekanetseng, ke kope Tona gore… jaaka ke ne ke go raya ke re ke lephata le le botlhokwa, it needs to be adequately resourced, so that batho ba tle ba bone tshiamelo ya bone.

Ke go kope gone gore dira jalo.

A e re jaaka re go fa madi jaana o senke ditsela tse o ka dirang gore lephata le le nne le batho ba ba lekaneng.
Le nne le ditsompelo tsotlhe tse ba di tlhokang, gore ba diragatse tshiamelo e batho ba tlang kwa go wena ba ikuela ka yone rraetsho.

Ga re kgone gore re bo re emela go nna le backlogs tse di kana kana tse o ntseng o di balolola tse, fela ka lebaka la gore gongwe batho ba a tlhaela kana ofisi ga e a kgona gore e dire jalo.

Rra, a ko o leke go thusa gore batho ba tle ba thuse, le ba fe ditsompelo tse di maleba.
Le neele lephata le tse di ba tshwanetseng, gore ba tle ba kgone go dira tiro ya bone ka botlalo.

Se sengwe ke se bakaulengwe ba ntseng ba bua ka sone Rra, se ke neng ke batla go feta ka sone; public education outreach.

Ke dumela gore le fa o ka tsena fela mo kgaolong ya gago fa Zola fa Honourable Mthimkhulu, o bo o botsa gore a o itse ofisi ya Mosireletsi, o a go fitlhela e le ba sekae ba ba mo itseng; bontsi ba sa mo itse.
E le fela gore thuto ga e ise e tswe gore go na le ofisi e e ka re sireletsang kana ofisi e tla anama le lefatshe le la rona ka bophara gore ofisi e e teng fa gore e tle e kgone go le sireletsa ke re… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation.

MR REGOENG: …a ko re tle re kgone gore…nako e tsamaya fa kae Modulasetilo, e re fa ba batla elucidation ke bo ke bona nako?

Ija!

ija!

nnyaa rra, iketle pele e setse e tsamaile mongwame.
Modulasetilo, ke ne ke re mo go e ya public education e botlhokwa thata gore batho ba itse gore ofisi ya Mosireletsi e fa kae, e ka dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Le kwa Molepolole re a e tlhoka.

Go nna gaufi le Gaborone ga go reye gore jaanong ditirelo tse dingwe tse e bo re beilwe gore re tlaa di latela mo Gaborone.
Ke a kopa Tona, go botlhokwa gore ofisi e… bogolo jang re lebile motse wa Molepolole, batho botlhe ba ba tlang, a ba batla tiro mo Gaborone kana kwa Mogoditshane le mo ditikologong, ba felela ba ile go kopa boroko kwa Molepolole.

Go bo go raya bontsi jwa batho, jaanong motse o o gola ka rate e e kwa godimo.

Ofisi e re a e tlhoka kwa Molepolole rraetsho gore, a e ba atumele le bone ba tle ba bone gore ditirelo tse ba di tlhokang ba di bona ka bofefo.
E nngwe e ke neng ke batla go bua fa ke tsamaela kwa bokhutlong Modulasetilo ke gore, diofisi tse di tshwanang le tse re tshwanetse gore mo tsamaong re se ka ra baya gore ofisi e dira tiro ya yone fela.

Enforcement of the recommendations tsa ofisi e, go botlhokwa thata thata gore e re tse e di ntshang go bonwe gore di a diragadiwa.

E se ka ya nna dikgang fela tse go tlaabong go ntshiwa tshwetso kana recommendation ya gore a go dirwe jaana le jaana, e bo e ya go beelwa fa thoko.
Foo go tlaabo go sa re thuse ka sepe, re re a e re fa… le mo dipegong tse rraetsho, gongwe e re next time fa o re bolelela o bo o re bolelela the type of cases tse di neng tsa tsena foo and resolved.

Le fa o sa di tseye ka bongwe ka bongwe fela, mme o ka di farologanya ka gore e e ne e le ya maladministration, allegations tsa mofuta wa gore le mismanagement, jalojalo fela.

Ra tla ra bona gore tota bontsi jwa dikgang fa di ntse jaana gatwe di sokela ntlha e feng.
Fa ke tsweletse Modulasetilo, ke ne ke re kana fa recommendations le resolutions di ntse di tswa jaana, go botlhokwa go bona gore to what extent do they impact on our operational procedures, processes and general public administration ka gore di botlhokwa, di ama gone foo.
Go leka gore e re fa di ntse di tswa jaana, re bo re bona gore processes tsa rona di ntse ka tsela e e ntseng jang, operational procedures re di baakanya ka tsela e e ntseng jang go leka go fokotsa mismanagement, maladministration, allegations le complaints tse di ka nna teng.
Dilo tse ke dikgang tsa tsamaiso gore go botlhokwa gore le rona re le Puso, re bo re ntse re ithuta mo, gongwe o bo o ka re tlhalosetsa le wena gore o dirile go le kae go leka go baakanya gore processes tsa rona go itsa go fokotsa go nna batho ba bega jaana.

Ka mafoko ao, ga ke ka ke ka ganana le kopo e motlotlegi a e kopang.

Re mo neela madi ao mme a ko a ye go a dirisa ka botlalo, e se ka ya re ngwaga o o tlang go bo gotwe a mangwe ga a ka a dirisiwa, go dirisitswe 20 per cent.
Honourable Ramogapi, ke ka go fa elucidation sir.

MR RAMOGAPI: On a point of elucidation.

Kana tota kgang e ya Development Budget honourable e a tshwenya ka gore tota bontsinyana jwa maphata, ba dira fela jalo ga ba dirise madi.

Fa re ka lebelela budgets tse 18 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1700 – OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMANCommittee of Supply tsotlhe fela maphata a otlhe, ke gore go tshwana fela.

Fa e le la ga Rraetsho Kabo Morwaeng lone le worse, ga ke itse gore go dirwa ke eng.
Ke a leboga.

MR REGOENG: I agree with the proposal Honourable Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Your time is up, you cannot agree nako e setse e tšhaile Rraagwe Tshepi.

Re lebogile rraarona, le kwa Boswelakoko le kwa Lekgwapheng le bone ba leboga le rona.

MR REGOENG: Le kwa Saint Paul.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Yes sir, Saint Paul.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MS MAKWINJA): Ke a go leboga Mr Chairperson, ke a le leboga batlotlegi.

Ke re le nna ke tsenye la mmotlana mo kgannyeng e ya botlhokwatlhokwa.
Mr Chairperson, office e ya Ombudsman ke e Batswana ba ka bong ba e dirisa ka fa e tshwanetseng go dirisiwa ka teng, ba e itse.

Batlotlegi ba setse ba buile, ke office e e leng gore e ka re solegela molemo fela thatathata.

Jaaka fela ya Attorney General (AG), office e ke nngwe ya diofisi tse di thusang go nonotsha puso ya batho ka batho.

Ke office e e tlisang mo ka Sekgoa go bidiwang administrative justice.
Ke batho ba ba tshwanetseng go fa, go reetsa ka kelotlhoko e bile ba reetsa dikgetse tse di tlang kwa go bone.

Ba tshwanetse go di reetsa ka bofefo jo bo riling mme e bile tota ba sa duele, Motswana a sa lopiwe sepe.

Ke gopola gore fa ba ka bo ba e itse Mr Chairperson, re ka bo re sena mathata a a ntseng jaana.

Jaanong kana rona re itse fela gore re ya kwa babueleding; lawyers.

Lawyers di a tura mme e bile mo makgotleng a rona a ditshekelo, ke moeleele o motelele.
Motswana kwa gae Ombudsman ke eo, batlotlegi ba ntse ba bua gore ga e itsiwe.

Ke lephata le le nonotshang puso ya batho ka batho gore o nne le lentswe, fa o ngongorega o bona sengwe se sa tsamaye sentle mo lephateng la gago, office ke eo gore Motswana o e dirise fela thata ka gore ga e go lope madi ape.

E bile e tlaa tsaya dikgang tsa gago e di isa kwa di tshwanetseng go isiwa teng.

Ke office Mr Chairperson, e e tlisang dikgakololo tsa semolao jaaka ke re ke e e botlhokwatlhokwa fela thata.
A re ka bua ra re gompieno jaana madi a re batlang go a rebolela Tona ke gore re bona dinomore fela tsa dikgetsi tse di ileng kwa go ene mme ke tsa mofuta mang?

A e ka re go ya pele, ra rarabolelwa gore bo 47 per cent ba, bokete jwa dikgetse e ne e le dingongora tse di rileng mme tse re di kgonneng ke tsa mofuta o, mme tse ga di a kgonagala ka mabaka a a rileng.
Jaaka batlotlegi ba bangwe ba ntse ba bua ka service delivery kana gore gongwe e bonya, re tle re itse tota gore office e dinomore tse di tshotse eng.

A ke selo se se tshwanetseng go re ngongorisa re le setšhaba gore ga e re thuse, kana e a re thusa, go na le dikgwetlho tse e rakanang le tsone mo tirong ya yone ya go tshereganya?

Ke baya sekai fela gore ke gopola gore mo public service, go na le dikgetsi tse dintsi tsa promotions mme a tle ka ditshwetso.
Ke dilo tse re tshwanetseng go itse ka gore fa re sa itse, ke tsone tse di kgobang bodiredi marapo gore kana ke kile ka nna le kgang e le mohiri wa me mme ya se ka ya atlega kana e atlegile fela mme re tshwanetse go itse gore re kgone go baakanya.

Ke sone se e reng kgantele re bo re re lephata le ga le na meno ka gore gongwe boteng jwa se ba se dirang, ga re se itse mme e bile ga gona go ntsha gore dikgetsi tse ke tsa mofuta mang.
Jaanong ke re ba tlise recommendations Mr Chairperson, mme tse jaaka re itse kana, ga di pateletse, they are not enforceable in court, ke recommendations fela.

Ke dilo tse re tshwanetseng go di bona re le Goromente gore tota gore lephata le le dire mo le tlaa tlotlomatsang yone puso ya batho ka batho, tota re ka le leba jang.

Re tshwanetse le rona re itebe ka gore tota Batswana ka bontsi ba a ngongorega, ba ngongoregela service delivery mme dikgetse tse di ya kwa Ombudsman.
Dilo tse re reng re tshwanetse go itse gore tota re ka di diradira jang gore Batswana ba itumele.

Ditlhotlhomiso di bua fa e le gore Batswana are the unhappiest, one of the unhappiest nations mo lefatsheng mme di dirwa ke gone go tlhoka gore e re fa motho a tlisitse kgetsi, e felela fela mo… Ke gore o a bo o itlhoboge jaaka re na le mathata a mantsintsi mo maphateng a rona a re a itseng.

Re tshwanetse gore dilo tse re bue ka tsone Mr Chairperson, re se ka ra nna re mpampetsa.
Ke lephata le le tlhokegang thata.

Ke a itse gore bagarona ba kganetso, ke gopola nako ya ga moswi Rre Maine, a mowa wa gagwe o robale ka kagiso, o ne a tla ka recommendation e e neng e le botlhokwa mme nako ya teng ga e a ka ya kgona go fela... MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you.

Honourable Member for Lentsweletau-Mmopane, you must just hold on to that recommendation by the departed leader, departed Counsel Chairman Rraetsho Maine, may his soul rest in peace.
You will continue with it after lunch when our dear substantive Honourable Speaker shall be presiding effectively as usual.

19 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1700 – OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMANCommittee of Supply Honourable Members, we are going to suspend our deliberations here, re tlaa mpa re nta gore re ye go bona dijo tsa matshegare.

Bon appétit Honourable Members.

Bon appétit.
PROCEEDINGS SUSPENDED AT 1:00 P.M. FOR APPROXIMATELY 1 HOUR PROCEEDINGS RESUMED AT 2:00 P.M. “EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP” QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER STATUS OF BMC DR T. MATSHEKA (LOBATSE): asked the Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security to update this Honourable House on the following: (i) the performance status of the Botswana Meat Commission (BMC) to date; (ii) the recruitment of the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of Botswana Meat Commission and whether this delayed state of affairs will negatively affect the restructuring of the Botswana Meat Commission; and (iii) when the Transition Bill that was passed by Parliament will be implemented.
ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MR MOLEBATSI): Dumela Mr Speaker, dumelang Bakaulengwe Mapalamente a a tlotlegang.

Ke lebogela potso ya gago Motlotlegi Dr Matsheka.

(i) Mr Speaker, fa re lebile ka di 31 tsa ga December 2021, Botswana Meat Commission (BMC) e ne ya supa gore e na le ditatlhegelo tsa P106 million.

Re tshwantshanya le gore e ne e dirile profit ka nako yone eo, ka di 31 tsa ga December 2020 ya P3.2 million.
Se Mr Speaker, se raya gore ka December yo o neng a fetile yo, BMC e ne e na le tsone ditatlhegelo tse di bontsi jo bo kalokalo.

Mr Speaker, ditatlhegelo tse di neng di le teng, go supagala gore re ne re bolaile dikgomo di le 19 671, di tswa kwa matlhabelong a a kwa Lobatse le Maun.
Mr Speaker, ka motlotlegi o ne a batla go itse gore seemo sa BMC, the performance status, se ntse ka tsela e e ntseng jang, ke na le dibuka, unaudited financial statements tse di supang nako ya 31st December, 2021, tse ke ka di mo neelang mo mokwalong.
Dibuka tsone tse Mr Speaker, di supa fela gore ditatlhegelo tse di supa gore re ne re dirisa madi mo go eng, jaaka administration expenses tsa bokae, selling and distribution expenses, financial charges, production expenses, tse ke neng ke ka di mo neela ka gore ke mokwalo o gotweng financial statements, mme ka bo madimabe, ga di ise di dupiwe ke badupi ba dibuka, di santse di le mo lenaneong la go dupiwa fa re bua jaana.
Mr Speaker, jaaka ke ne ke bua ka fa matlhabelo a dirang ka teng mo ngwageng one o, ke na le pego go fitlhelela ka end of February, e e supang gore dikgomo tse di bolailweng, go simolola ka January 2022 go ema ka February a fela, re bolaile dikgomo di le 3 029 compared to ka nako yone e January to end of February 2021, re ne re bolaile dikgomo di le 561 fela.

Se Mr Speaker, se supa kgolo fela e tona gore mo ngwageng o, matlhabelo a tsogile, a dira sentle.
Mo ngwageng o ke o buang, ke bega (report) Mr Speaker, ka 2021, di ne di le 561 fela, mme mo ngwageng wa 2022, nako yone e ke e begang, re bolaile 3 029.

Mr Speaker, se se dirile gore re oketse madi kwa matlhabelong.

Ka nako yone e ya January to February, re itemogetse madi a a kana ka P20.1 million, mme ka 2021 e ne e le P11.4 million fela.

Se se supa gore go na le pharologanyo, go na le go dira sentle fela thata mo re go lemogileng ngwaga one o.
(ii) Mr Speaker, lenaneo la go hira motsamaisi kana Chief Executive Officer (CEO) kwa BMC le tsamaya sentle fela thata, re mo go lone.

Tsholofelo ke gore e tlaare kgwedi e re leng mo go yone fa e fela ya March, re tlaabo re setse re ile go kopa teseletso kana tetla kwa Khuduthamageng ya ga Tautona gore re bo re hirile CEO.

Go na le ba re ba tlhomileng leitlho, ba re buang le bone mo bogompienong jaana.

Matlhabelo a tsamaya sentle Mr Speaker, ga go na CEO fela, mme bodiredi jo bongwe bo teng.
Matlhabelo a na le botsamaisi like Board of Directors, yo o nang le Chairman, yo ba tshwereng sentle fela thata, ba dira fela sentle.

A tsamaya fela sentle thata mo re nang le lenaneo kana strategy se se bidiwang Mereting, se se simolotseng ka 2022 se fela ka 2025, ke sone se re betlang tsela ya gore matlhabelo a BMC ya Batswana, a boele kwa re a itseng teng, mme go tsamaya sentle fela thata.
Go betla tsela gone mo kana strategy sone se, kana moalo one o Mr Speaker, o tlaa batla madi, mme re tabogile, re a tshematshema mo lephateng gore re batle ditsela tse di farologanyeng tsa gore re kgone to implement strategy sone se.

20 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER (iii) Mr Speaker, ya bofelo e ne e botsa gore the Transition Act e tsenngwa leng mo tirisong; ga e sa tlhole e le Bill jaanong ke Act ka gore e saennwe, ke Act ya 2019.
Se ke ka se buang ke gore re e simolola ngwaga one o, the first quarter of financial year 2022/2023, mme kana Transition Act e raya gore re ya go dira matlhabelo a BMC kgwebo e e tletseng, kana we are going to corporatise it.
Re ya go dira Meat Industry Regulatory Authority, re ya go dira liberalisation of the meat export market kana re dira gore jaanong batho ba kgone gore ba ka rekisa nama, BMC le yone e se ka ya nna monopoly, e kgone gore e nkgisane magwafa le barekisi bangwe ba matlhabelo a mangwe a a farologanyeng, ba ba ka batlang go rekisa nama.
Se Mr Speaker kwa phelelong, ke gore se ka kgonagala fa re na le ene CEO kana moeteledipele wa BMC, yo ke neng ke netefatsa gore re setse re tsamaya kgakala ka gore re tloga re mo fa tiro, re mo fe setilo sa gagwe, re tlaa dumela gore ke ene a tlaabong a tsamaisa strategy sone se, moalo one o wa go baakanya BMC.

Ka a le kalo, ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke a go leboga Dr Matsheka.

DR MATSHEKA: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.


Ke leboge Tona Molebatsi, o arabile ka boleele jo bo kalo, mme ke rurifatse dintlha tse pedi tse tharo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ntlha ya ntlha e nna gore ke ne ke sa botsa specifically ka performance, ke sa e bua ka bomo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Jaaka Tona a tlhalosa, ntswa dipalo tsa dikgomo di oketsega tse di bolawang, mme ditshenyegelo tsa matlhabelo a BMC le fa Tona a re dilo di tsamaya sentle, di supa gore ke losses, the cost structure jaaka e ntse ka boyone gompieno le bodiredi jo a buang ka jone, e tswelela e baya matlhabelo a mo seemong se e leng gore ga a kgone go itshegetsa go ya kwa pele.

A selo seo Tona ga a bone gore cost structure ya BMC ke yone e leng mathata?
Ya bobedi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke gore, a Tona o bona tiego ya go tlhoka go hira motsamaisi e se yone e e jwelelelang go tlhoka go tsamaisa matlhabelo ka madi a a tsentsweng mo matlhabelong mo dingwageng tse di fetileng?

Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, go sena bogogi jo tota bo ka tsamaisang matlhabelo ka tsela e re solofetseng gore a kgone go tsamaisiwa ka teng.

Ya boraro Mr Speaker, ke yone kgang ya Transition Act.
Kana Act e Mr Speaker, e tlhalosa gore Batswana ba tlile to be empowered ka go rekisa diabe mo BMC.

E bile Goromente, ba ba ikemetseng, Batswana fela ka bophara le babereki ba BMC, ba tlile go bona nako ya go reka diabe.

A ga a bone tiego e e le gore ke yone e ntshang dithata mo Batswaneng gore ba kgone go e tsamaisa?

A ga e supe gore Goromente tota ga a batle go neela maphata a a ikemetseng ka nosi boikarabelo jwa go tsamaisa mo lefatsheng la rona?

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.


MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga Mopalamente wa me yo o tlotlegang.

Dipotso tsa gago tsotlhe ka boraro, pele fa ke di tsaya ka bongwe ka bongwe, dingongorego tsa teng di na le cost structure e e dirang gore gongwe matlhabelo a se ka a nna le dipoelo, delay ya ga Chief Executive Officer (CEO) le commercialisation of BMC.
Tsotlhe ke dumalana le wena, tiego ya go dira tse tsotlhe ka boraro kana ya go dira dingwe tse re rileng re tla di dira kwa BMC, ke yone e ka tsalang gore tse di se ka tsa direga sentle.

O bua boammaaruri, cost structure ya BMC, ke tsaya gore fa o re cost structure, ke tlhaloganya gore o raya tsotlhe tse di ka dirang gore matlhabelo a dire dipoelo kana a se ka a dira dipoelo.
Tsotlhe tse di diragalang mo BMC, operations, babereki ba ba leng teng kwa BMC, tse di amanang le plant ya BMC gore ke plant e e nang le efficiencies tse di kae, and all these things.

Ee, ke dumalana le wena, mme kana ke tse re le Puso le lephata re di itseng, re itse gore tsotlhe tse di dirang gore re baakanye nama kana re dire business e, ke dilo tsa bogologolo.

Gongwe fa go ne go ka tsenngwa tsa malatsi a, di ka nna more efficient or more effective than tsa bogologolo.
Kana fa re ne re bua gore we are going to privatise BMC, the Transition Act e bua tsone tse gore we implement them gore re tle re kgone gore re tle re nne le babeeletsi.

Ba tle ba re thuse gore re tle ka dilo tse di tlhabologileng, ba tsenye madi, ba tle ka megopolo e e tlhabologileng ya gore re dire business go gaisa jaaka re dira jaana gompieno.

Ya go diega ga CEO, ke dumalana le wena.

Fa go senang moeteledipele gope kana moeteledipele mo lwapeng, fa gongwe dilo ga di ka ke tsa tsamaya sentle.
Se ke ka se buang ke gone fela gore re ne re le mo tseleng ya go batla CEO, mme yo re neng ra mmona la ntlha, yo re neng re mo ratile thata a supa gore o ka kgona, re ne re ka se ke re mo kgone.

O ne a tura.

Ra tshwanelwa ke gore re boe re ye go batla ba bangwe.

Process e e telele, mme ke a go netefaletsa gore re a tšhematšhema gore ka bofefo jo bo kgonagalang re nne le CEO.
21 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Ya Transition Act e e buang ka to commercialise BMC, gongwe le go tla go rekisa diabe, ee kana tota re tlhoka gore re bo re na le strategy in place, ka gore se tsamaelana le gone.

Re tlhoka gore go bo go na le CEO, re batla CEO yo o nang le boitsaanape, gongwe ke gone mo go re diang gape.
Re tlhopha yo o nang le boitsanaape gore a re tseye fa re leng teng, re kgone go busetsa BMC…(Interruptions)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: O a reng o kare he is debating, o araba potso?

MR MOLEBATSI: …re e rekise fela sentle.

Fela jaaka re kile ra dira kwa Botswana Telecommunications Corporation (BTC), o a itse gore fa re batla go rekisa diabe tsa BTC jaaka o ne o bua, re ne ra ya go batla monna yo go neng gotwe Paul Taylor, a moya wa gagwe o robale ka kagiso.
Ga se mongwe le mongwe yo o kgonang dilo tse, fa le batla go dira jalo, go batla boitsaanape bongwe jo bo rileng.

Ke dumela gore re mmone, e tlaa re kgwedi e e ise e fele, re bo re kgonne.

Ke a leboga.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary.

MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Go a kwalwa Mokwena, ga go kuiwe fela.

DR TSHABANG: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke lebogela tshono eo.

Honourable Minister, ke go utlwa sentle, o bua o kanotse sehuba gore o na le tshepho gore BMC is performing.
Kana Botswana Accountancy Oversight Authority (BAOA) that audits companies tsa ga Goromente, for the past three years e ntse e supa gore BMC is the worst performing organisation.

Le gore the money that is being owed is close to one billion mo report ya bone, wena ke utlwa o bua 116, something like that.

Are you aware gore statements tse o re di neelang tsotlhe are unaudited?

Are you aware gore BMC ntse e sena audited financial statements for some time?
That is why le wena gompieno o tshotse which are unaudited.

Ga o bona gore mo go supa gore BMC is not managed sentle?

e dira botoka thata, a ko o re bolelele gore those areas tse di sa kgoneng go tsena kwa BMC, what strategies are in place go ka thusa the farmers tseo in the communal areas?

Thank you very much.

MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga motlotlegi, o buile di le dintsi thata.

Ke ne ke tshwantshanya dingwaga tsa 2020, 2021 le wa gompieno.
Ke ne ke re ka December wa ngwaga o o fetileng, re nnile le loss ya 106 million.

O ne o bua billions, ga ke itse gore o ne o di tsaya kae.

Ke bo ke go supegetsa gape gore, mo ngwageng wa gompieno that I am reporting on go simolola ka January le February, re bone kgolo ya business ya BMC ka gore re bone re bolaya dikgomo di le 3 029 go na le tse di 561 tse re di bolaileng pele.

Se se rayang gore farmers are supplying BMC ka mmetela.
Ke a tlhomamisa gore the farmers, ka re bua le bone malatsi a, ba a itumela gore BMC jaanong e a duela sentle, ditlhwatlhwa di botoka, BMC e duela within 14 days.

Jaanong ke sone se re neng re batla gore re se dire, gore BMC e boele kwa maemong a yone jaaka re e tlwaetse.

Ya tshenyetso-setšhaba kwa BMC gore batho ba ne ba utswa dinama, kana tshenyetso-setšhaba go na le makalana a a itebaganyang le yone.
Fa ke leng teng fa, ke tlaa botsa legale, ga ke itse fa gona le tsheko nngwe ya tshenyetso-setšhaba ya go utswiwa ga dinama kwa BMC.

Ke solofetse gore fa ke sena go nna ke botsa bagarona, ke tlaa boela kwa go wena.

Ga ke ise ke utlwe sepe sa go nna jalo.

BMC rra jaaka o ne o bua, re na le keletso ya gore re thuse the farmers, especially gone kwa North.

Re ne re bua maloba mo Palamenteng mo gore the farmers ba a turelwa gore ba ise dikgomo kwa kwarantining kwa Makalamabedi.
Jaaka re ne re bua maloba, re na le metlhala ya gore re ka thusa the farmers ka tsela e e ntseng jang, gore go se ka ga tura gore dikgomo tsa bone di goroge kwa BMC.

Re tsosa dikampa tse dingwe tse di gaufi tse di tshwanang le tse di kwa bo Kgomokgwana, tse ke neng ke bua gore re a di baakanya, gore go nne gaufi.

Costs tsa kgomo e e felelang kwa BMC, di felele di sa nne kalokalo jaaka di tlaabo di isiwa kgakalakgakala.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Also, are you aware gore go ntse go na le madubadube a bo corruption gore some senior officers, le bo dinama ba ne ba itseela, go supa gre BMC fela, go tsamaisiwa ga yone go ne go sa nna sentle.

Le gore wa reng ka dikgomo tsa communal farmers tse di sa kgoneng go goroga kwa BMC under the current management system?

Gongwe kwa North ga di kgone go ya Maun.

Ka gore wa re BMC HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga a araba ya financial statements.

MR REGOENG: Supplementary.


Tanki Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Gongwe ke baakanye e e neng Dr Tshabang a bua ka yone.

Dr Tshabang o ne a re, the accumulated loss in the last year was over a billion.

22 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER So go raya gore P105 million loss yo o buang ka ene is adding into that billion.

Ke yone e a neng a bua ka yone Minister.


Ke mo potsong ya gore, a ko o re bolelele Minister, re le Goromente re bua gore we want to promote private sector.

We want a private sector-led economy.

A ko o nne boammaaruri, re thetse madi a a seng kana ka sepe, these billions losses tse re setseng re le mo go tsone ka BMC, ga re itse gore go ya go dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

What is stopping Government gore a kgaogane le BMC, either a e rekise ka the normal process fela?
A e rekisetsa private sector, ba ba ikemiseditseng go e reka.

We have to privatise ka process ya go rekisa shares.

Se se itsang ke eng ka gore gompieno jaana matlhabelo ale ke dumela a setse a nna magologolo mme a sa dirisiwe?

Ke costs tse Goromente a leng mo go tsone.

A ko o re tlhalosetse ka boammaaruri gore se se itsang Goromente go kgaogana le BMC ke eng?

MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ga go na sepe se se itsang gore Goromente o ka kgaogana le BMC.
Re dirile molao o o bidiwang Botswana Meat Commission Transition Act, o re buang ka one jaana.

O bua gore re ikaeletse jaaka makalana a mangwe, re dire a private sector-led economy, BMC e le mo teng.

Go tsamaiwa ka motlhala.

Golo mo ga se tiro e e motlhofo, e batla go tsewa steps tse di siameng, go nna le baitsaanape.

Re se ka ra tsaya BMC ya Batswana re sa gate dikgato tse di siameng, re felela re e latlhile jaaka o latlha ntša e sule kwa sekgweng.
Re batla gore ka ke asset ya Batswana, re e tshware sentle.

Go boammaaruri gore BMC e kolota Goromente P1.3 billion jaaka o ne o bua.

BMC ke ngwana wa rona.

Ke sone se re reng re dire strategy gore BMC e nne profitable.

E nne kgwebo e e tlaa busang madi a. Batswana ba rekise dikgomo kwa go yone.

Re bone BMC e boela, re isa dinama kwa mafatsheng a a farologanyeng; Norway le China fela jalojalo.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.
PLOT ALLOCATION IN MOLEPOLOLE MR O. REGOENG (MOLEPOLOLE NORTH): asked the Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services: (i) how many residential, commercial, civic and community plots have been allocated in Molepolole in the last 12 months and if none, how many such plots will be allocated in the next 12 months; (ii) how many residential plot transfers have been effected in Molepolole by the sub-land board in the last 24 months; (iii) whether there is a plan to reduce the waiting period for plot allocation to less than five years; and (iv) if the Minister is aware that in the next 10 years, Molepolole will have grown beyond its 10 kilometers radius yet the land board continues to allocate new masimo within that radius MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR MZWINILA): Good afternoon Mr Speaker.
(i) Molepolole Sub-Land Board has allocated five residential plots in Molepolole in the last 12 months.

The land board had targeted Ratlhomelang- Magokotswane and Ranta layouts for allocations following their approval as part of Molepolole Development Plan in 2020.

The estimated number of residential plots from the two layouts is 2062 plots.

Acquisition of properties located within the layout plans is still ongoing and it is lengthy because some of the property owners are reluctant to release the land.
(ii) Mr Speaker, Molepolole Sub-Land Board has effected a total of 351 residential plot transfers in the last 24 months.

(iii) Mr Speaker, my ministry has a plan to reduce the waiting period for plot allocation to less than five years.
The plan will be achieved through cooperation that is cordial working relationship, by both parties in the land delivery process including title holders of land earmarked for acquisition so that layouts can be developed to facilitate allocation of plots for residential, commercial and civic use.
As I have indicated in the past when responding to Parliamentary question number 148 by Honourable Moabi, my ministry is currently working towards addressing some of the identified delays to expedite land allocation to Batswana.

During the 12th Parliamentary Session, Parliament approved the allocation of un- serviced land.

My ministry through all land boards immediately implemented the decision to expedite land allocation of un-serviced plots to meet the demand for residential and business plots.
My ministry is also dealing with delays in land acquisition by looking into different compensation models with the view to have partnership with land owners.

My believe is that the introduction of other models of compensation will address the concern 23 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER of Batswana and shorten the land acquisition process which in turn will avail land for allocation to Batswana within a short period of time.
Mr Speaker, I am not aware that in the next 10 years, Molepolole will have grown beyond its 10 kilometre (km) radius.

What I am aware of Mr Speaker, is that Molepolole village has a Development Plan of up to 2036.

The plan has identified the village growth areas for the period mentioned with quarterly reviews along the life span of the plan.

It is worth noting that, Molepolole is surrounded by ploughing fields in all directions, primarily old allocations made by Bogosi before the land boards.
It is inevitable that the village would grow into the fields, which will require the land board to repossess them to avail land for allocation.

I am not aware of any new allocation of masimo within the 10 km radius of Molepolole village.

Molepolole Sub-Land Board has not allocated new ploughing fields within the areas earmarked for village growth in Molepolole save for cases where such fields are being registered having existed before the establishment of the land boards.
The registration is important to facilitate land owners to access Government programmes.

Future acquisitions will also need proof of ownership in the form of certificates.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR REGOENG: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Thank you Minister ka dikarabo tse o di mphileng tseo.

Mo go ya (iv) ke go reye ke re, fa o se aware Minister, o ele tlhoko.

Masimo a abiwa mo tikologong ya Molepolole.


Jaanong go a bo go tloga go re direla mathata fa motse o golela koo, a bo batho gotwe ba sute ba thubelwe.

Mo go e ya ntlha Honourable Minister o rile go abilwe ditsha di le five ka fa ke neng ke go utlwa ka teng.

Ga o a tlhalosa ka ke ne ke botsa gore is there residential, commercial or civic and community?
Ke buisiwa se ke gore fa o ka lebelela e ya commercial, batho ba Molepolole ga ba itse gore matshelo a bone ba ka a baakanya, ba itirela dikgwebo lefatshe le le kae.

Ke se o bonang ke botsa ka sone se.

Dikereke di a lela, ba tsena mo dijarateng tsa bone.

Batho ba setse ba ngongorega gore dijarata di ntshitswe dikereke ka gore ga ba fiwe lefatshe.

Fa e le gore go abilwe five fela e ntse jaana, tota e tlaabo a tsenela fa kae?
Dikgang tse ke ntseng ke bua ka tsone tse, ba tlaa ithusa jang ba sa fiwe lefatshe gore ba dire ditlhabololo tsa bone?

E nngwe ya bofelo Mr Speaker, land board e dise lefatshe.

A Tona o a itse gore fa o tsamaya mo tseleng ya Molepolole-Letlhakeng, squatters ba setse ba simologa?

Land board ke dumela gore ba a itse gore batho ba simolola go ipaya ditsha gone foo.

Ke eng o sa tsiboge Tona gore batho bao ba thusiwe ba se ka ba ipaya?
Ga re batle seemo se e tlaareng morago ga lebaka, go bo gotwe katakata e tle go thuba, e ntshe batho gone foo ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Rra, a ko o lebelele gore go ka baakanngwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang?

Sa bofelo Tona, go na le spaces tse dintsi mo motseng wa Molepolole tse batho ba neng ba idiwa go bewa mo go tsone gotwe go santse go baakanngwa design ya water and sanitation development.

Ke dumela gore this design has long been completed.

Ke eng jaanong batho ba sa beiwe ka mealo ga e fete teng?
Go ka thusa gore go ntshe lefatshe le batho ba bewang mo go lone.

Ke a leboga.

MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ga ke itse fa masimo a santse a bewa, mme ka gore motlotlegi a re a a bewa, go raya gore re ye go tlhotlhomisa.

Re tlaa ya go tlhotlhomisa motlotlegi gore a mme go ntse jalo.

Fa e le gore go ntse jalo, re tlaa emisa.

O ne o botsa gore ditsha tse ke neng ke bua ka tsone a ke tsa residential, commercial kana industrial; ke tsa bonno.
Jaaka ke buile, gompieno re na le thulaganyo ya gore re abe di le 2062.

Mo go 2062 yo, go na le tse di farologanyeng; tsa madirelo, bonno, industrial le dikereke tse di bidiwang gotwe civic and community plots.

Motlotlegi o ne a bua ka ba ba ipeileng mo tseleng ya Molepolole-Letlhakeng.

Ke tseela gore batho ba ba ipeileng, tota ga go letlelelwe ka fa molaong.

Motho o tshwanetse a bewe semmuso.

Ke tseela gore motlotlegi o rile re bone gore re ka ba thusa jang.
Ke tseela gore ke bogakolodi, re tlaa ya kwa go bone, re buisana le bone gore re ka thusanya jang le bone gore ba se ka ba ipaya.

Motlotlegi o ne a bua ka mo go bidiwang gotwe infields and open spaces tse di teng mo motseng.

Ke gore go ne ga dirwa moalo wa gore ditlhabololo tsa metsi le tsa kgopo ya metsi a a dirisitsweng di tlaa tsamaya jang.

Ke tsaya gore moalo wa teng re o feditse ka gore jaanong re batla go senka rakonteraka.

Borakonteraka bao ba tlaa dira tiro yone eo.


Ke tsaya gore jaaka a bua, go raya gore ka gore re feditse moalo wa teng, re ka tsena mo thulaganyong ya gore re simolole go baya batho mo ditphatlheng tsone tseo, mme re tlaa dira jalo.

Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
24 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER UPGRADING A SATELLITE PRIMARY SCHOOL K. (SEFHARE- GOBOTSWANG DR RAMOKGONAMI): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development to state: (i) what informs the upgrading of a satellite primary school to a fully-fledged stand-alone primary school; and (ii) what plans are in place to upgrade Letoreng Satellite Primary School to a fully-fledged stand- alone primary school including specific timelines.
OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MODUKANELE): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke go leboge Dr Gobotswang ka potso e ke bo ke dumedise.

(i) Mr Speaker, ka bokhutshwane mma ke supe fela gore go godisa sekole go tswa mo go re go itseng gore ke satellite school go ya kwa sekoleng se se feletseng fa ke ka rialo, go lebiwa mabaka a le mmalwanyana.
Lantlhantlha konokono ke gore a itsholelo e teng re bo re lebelela le dipalo tsa bana le sekgala se bana ba se tsamayang go ya le go boa kwa sekoleng se ba a bong ba ya kwa go sone se se golwanyane.

(ii) Sa bofelo Mr Speaker, mma ke supe gore Khansele ya Legare le rona re le ministry, re sekaseka gore mo Togamaanong ya Lesome le Bobedi, re tsenye kopo ya go dira sekole sa kwa Letoreng.

Ke supe gape Mr Speaker, gore dikole tse tsa satellite, ga se kwa Letoreng fela, di tletse lefatshe le lotlhe.
Di mmalwa kwa North West le dikgaolo tse dingwe le tsa bo Molepolole, tota fa gautshwanyane fa.

Go bo go raya gore mo go lebeng jalo Mr Speaker, re ya go lebelela matlhoko a otlhe.

In other words, we are going to look at all competing priorities in this regard Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga.

DR GOBOTSWANG: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Tota fa gongwe o fitlhela ke ipotsa gore tota batho ba Letoreng gatwe ba jetse Goromente wa Domkrag eng se se tona?
Kana e rile ba tlaa tlhomamisiwa gore e nne motse, go ne ga nna le ikgaratlhelo e telele go le ditoitoi.

Gompieno jaana ba mo mathateng.

Honourable Minister, a le raya gore Goromente wa ga Rre Masisi o o buang ka bo Reset le knowledge-based economy, sekole sa Letoreng se setse se na le Standard 5s le classrooms tse di lekaneng go nna le Standard 6s, go bo sala class fela e le nngwefela ya Standard 6 e e senang morutabana?
Honourable Minister, a o raya gore le ka palelwa ke gore go nne le morutabana a le mongwefela yo o ka tlang go ruta Standard 6s?

Honourable Minister, a o a itse gore jaaka re bua jaana, term e tsamaela go fela, Standard 6s ba ya sekoleng letsatsi le letsatsi mme ga gona morutabana yo o ba rutang?

A o a se itse seemo se?

Wa reng ka sone?

Maloba e rile le le kwa la bua gore e tlaa re sekole e tlaa nna sone se bo se setse se ema ka Standard 3, mme gompieno sekole sa Letoreng se setse se ema ka Standard 5.
La re bothata ke eng, go pala eng fa sekole se na le sengwe le sengwe, bana ba le teng, classrooms di le teng?

La re go pala eng gore morutabana wa Standard 6 a nne teng le fa leina le satellite o kare ga le batle go tswa mo go lone Honourable Minister?

Ke a leboga.

MR MODUKANELE: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke leboge Rre Gobotswang ka dipotso tsa tlaleletso tse a sa tswang go di baya fa.
Ka bokhutshwane Mr Speaker, mma ke supe gore gongwe ke se ka ka itetla go gogelwa ke Honourable Member kwa dikgannyeng tsa bo gore mang o diretse mang eng.

Ke re nnyaa, se ke batlang go se kopa motlotlegi ke gore a re tseye boikarabelo jwa gore bana ba Letoreng ba bone thuto.

Ke go kope gore re thusanye kgang e, o tseye boikarabelo jwa moemedi wa nnete.
Re tlhalositse Mr Speaker, le Rre Gobotswang a le mo teng gore se e leng gore ke letlhoko la gore gongwe Letoreng se nne sekole se se feletseng ka nako ya gompieno ke eng.

Re akantshanye le batho ba bantsi le Rre Gobotswang a le mo teng gore re ka dira eng, ra se ka ra dira eng mo nakong ya gompieno gore bana ba bone thuto.

Ke one mmangmang wa kgang Mr Speaker.


Jaanong ke re ke kope the Honourable Member gore a nte gangwefela fela mo botshelong re tsepame mo dilong tse di botlhokwa re tlogele tse dingwe tse e keteng o tlaa leka go nkgogela kwa go tsone.

Mr Speaker, mma ke supe gore kana fa re le fa re ntseng teng fa, fa re bua ka a satellite school le go dira a satellite school jaaka ke sa tswa go supa, ga re lebe sekole se le sengwefela fela.
Ke sa tswa go supa gore gompieno jaaka ke bua fa ke ntseng teng, fa o bua fela ka satellite schools across the country, we are looking at a minimum of 14, mme kana gore o dire a satellite school, ga o ka ke wa leba se le sengwefela fela ka gore ke kwa Letoreng kana Rre Gobotswang a re ba Letoreng ba ka bo ka jetse Goromente eng Mr Speaker.

Ke re nnyaa, fa re dira a plan, the purpose of a plan is to create some 25 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER fairness and equity.
Jaanong ga re ka ke ra tswa fela from those principles re bo re re tlaa siana fela ka gore Rre Gobotswang o ne a re nnyaa.

Re na le maikaelelo a a tsepameng a go bona gore bana ba Letoreng ba bona thuto jaaka bana ba ba kwa Kajaja, Khwee, Kedia kana kae fela ba e leng gore gompieno re lebagane le gore re ka dira jang gore ba bone thuto, ba bone dikole tse di feletseng Mr Speaker.

Re leba dilo tse di farologaneng Mr Speaker, ga re ka ke ra re gone gompieno re bo re re letsatsi leno kana kamoso.
Go dirwa plan Mr Speaker.

Re mo gare ga seemo se Rre Gobotswang a se itseng sa lešhekere le re leng mo go lone le le tsetsweng ke dilo tse dintsi.

Jaanong ga e ka ke ya re fela gompieno re bo re re kamoso re tlaa tsoga re agile class e nngwe, re tlisitse sengwe le sengwe se se tlhokafalang gore sekole se nne a fully-fledged school.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

DR GOBOTSWANG: Further supplementary Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: The last supplementary.

DR GOBOTSWANG: Yes Mr Speaker.


Honourable Minister, a ko o tsepame fela o arabe potso fela e e tlhamaletseng, a re re sekole sa Letoreng ga se kgone go nna sekole se se ikemetseng ka nosi, mme jaanong ke eng o sa ise morubataba go ya go ruta Standard 6s teng?

Fa e le gore o batla sekole se se nne se bidiwe satellite, a bana bone ba rutwe.

Wa re go pala eng fela gore morutabana fela a le mongwefela gore a tle go ruta bana ba Letoreng?
Bana ba Letoreng ga ba bolo go sokola go le kanakana ba tsamaya bo 16 kilometres a day for all these years.

Wa re go pala eng Honourable Minister?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kgethololo.

MR MODUKANELE: Mr Speaker, mma ke supe jaana, ke lekile go bua ka ditsela tsotlhe tse di ka buiwang.

Fa e ne e le gore re babedi re kwa ntle ke ka bo ke bua Setswapong, gongwe Honourable Member o ne a tlaa ntlhaloganya botoka.
Mma ke supe jaana Mr Speaker, ke leka go supa gore go dira sekole ga o lebe selo se le sengwefela, ga se classroom kana morutabana fela.

Go boroko le sengwe le sengwe.

Gompieno ke ne ke solofela gore Rre Gobotswang o ka bo a bolelela Palamente gore ga gona boroko kwa Letoreng.

Gompieno jaana, barutabana ba ba thusang kwa commute from Matlhako every day to Letoreng.

Dilo tse ke dilo tse e leng gore rona le ba Ministry of Basic Education, ke mathata a re lebaganeng le one Mr Speaker.
So, it is not a simple as a, b, c jaaka motlotlegi a batla go e baya.

Fa o utlwa ke re a re tseye boikarabelo, re akantshane, re bo re leba dilo tse re di sobokile, re le botsadi, re bua jaaka botsadi, gore dilo tse tsotlhe ke tse di tlhokang gore di bo di ka emelwa ka dinao.

We cannot just single out and make the whole thing look so simple gore, nnyaa, morutabana ke sone fela selo se re se tlhokang kwa Letoreng.
Rre Gobotswang, cannot tell me gompieno gore boroko bo fa kae jwa morutabana kwa Letoreng, it is not there.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Boroko bo teng sir.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary, Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko, Member for Mahalapye East.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary.

MR SPEAKER: No; Member for Mahalapye East.
UB EMPLOYEES MR Y. BOKO (MAHALAPYE EAST): asked the Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology to state: (i) why employees of the University of Botswana (UB) are paid far less than other Government funded institutions such as Botswana International University of Science and Technology (BIUST), despite UB being ranked higher; (ii) how many labour court cases UB has had since the assumption of duty of the current Vice Chancellor (VC); (iii) how many of such cases were won and lost by the institution; (iv) how much the institution has spent on such cases; (v) how many staff members were suspended from duty, fired and/or resigned from the institution since the coming in of the current VC; (vi) how many of those suspended and fired were reinstated and the reasons for their reinstatement; and (vii) why the institution does not offer tuition waiver for UB staff members’ children who are beyond 23 years of age, irrespective of the programme they are registered for such as PhD.
26 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER ASSISTANT MINISTER OF TERTIARY EDUCATION, RESEARCH, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (MR LESASO): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke go leboge and good afternoon.

Good afternoon Honourable Boko.

Ke le leboge, e bile ke le dumedise bo Honourable Members mo Palamenteng.
(i) Mr Speaker, the pay for employees of the University of Botswana (UB) and the Botswana International University of Science and Technology (BIUST) is based on the salary structures approved by the individual University Councils as empowered by the Acts of Parliament establishing them.

It is not based on universities being ranked differently by entities that do university rankings worldwide.
(ii) There have been 11 labour cases between the university and employees since the assumption of duty of the current Vice Chancellor.

(iii) Out of 11 cases, one of the cases was won by the employee; one by the University of Botswana; four cases were amicably settled by the parties, and five are still ongoing.

(iv) Mr Speaker, the institution has spent a total amount of P1,010,231.44 as legal fees on the cases.
(v) Due to various reasons and circumstances, 13 staff members were either suspended, five of them were suspended, four dismissed and four resigned.

The seven staff members were reinstated as the University Staff Disciplinary Committee did not find them guilty of a dismissal offence.

The University of Botswana Condition of Service, Section 10.20.8 does indicate that when a dependent child ceases to be a dependent as defined in the Conditions of Service, they shall not benefit from the tuition fee benefit.
However, a dependent shall be allowed to continue with their programme of study until they complete the programme or reach 23 years of age, whichever comes first.

This is not based on which programme the dependent is studying but is based on the fact that at age 23 years, UB considers them independent and also affordability is the constraint.

Mr Speaker, I thank you and thank you Honourable Member.

MR BOKO: Supplementary.

Ke leka go amogela karabo ya gago Tona, le fa e sa nametse fale le fale.
Potso e nngwe e ke neng ke batla go e botsa Tona ke gore, gongwe o ka tlhalosetsa Ntlo e gore la bofelo ke leng lecturers kana staff sa Botswana se nna le salary increment ka go lebega e le gore go tsere lebaka le letelele ba sa kgone go ka okeletswa dituelo, mme fa o ka lebelela other institutions dituelo tsa bone di oketswa kgapetsakgapetsa?
Ke re gongwe o tlhalosetse staff sa University of Botswana gore ke eng go tsere lebaka, le gore a mme go mo thulaganyong ya go ka ba okeletsa dikatso mo nakong e khutshwanyane?

Mr Speaker, e tlaabo e le yone fela, then we can give to the former lecturers tsa University of Botswana, di teng gone fa le tsone gore di tle di thuse.

MR LESASO: Thank you Mr Speaker.

The last time there was salary increment at the University of Botswana was four years ago.

Thank you.
Thank you.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Dr Tshabang; that will be the last supplementary.

DR TSHABANG: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Tla ke simolole ka yone ya gore last salary increment was four years ago.

Why was it four years ago; all these four years go sena increment?

Then the second one; are you aware gore the University of Botswana has gone for almost a year without the Governing Council and have you completed the appointment of the University Council?
Also, why have you gone for almost four years the positions tsa Deputy Vice Chancellors, the three of them, di le mo acting capacity for these four years without substantive appointments?

Thank you.

MR LESASO: Mr Speaker, ke tsaya gore dipotso tse dingwe tse di extended, ke tse di tlhokang gore jaanong ke batlisise gore ke eng go sa diragala jaaka bakaulengwe ba botsa.
Fela ke tshwanetse go tlhalosa gape gore maybe one of the issues that affected the failure to increase the salaries ke gore council e ne e sena madi to effect those salary adjustments, jaaka le botsa bo honourable.

Ke a leboga.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure, Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: There is no procedure Mr.

The time is up for questions.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A o tlaa tla ka dikarabo tsa teng?

MR SPEAKER: …(Laughter!

)…O tlaa di botsa gape.

If you come with new questions, that is what you should expect.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: No, it is not a new question, ke supplementary.

Anyway I will sit down with him later on, so that he gives me answers.

Thank you.

27 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MR SPEAKER: Let us move on to Motions.

ASSEMBLY IN COMMITTEE (CHAIRPERSON in the Chair) APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) ORGANISATION 1700 – OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMAN (Resumed Debate) (MR MR CHAIRPERSON SKELEMANI): Honourable Members, the debate on this Bill is resuming.
When the House adjourned earlier today Honourable Makwinja was on the floor debating and she was left with four minutes 38 seconds.

Honourable Makwinja.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MS MAKWINJA): Ke a leboga, good afternoon Mr Chairperson and good afternoon batlotlegi.

Ke ne ke re kantoro e ya Motshereganyi e ka thusa Batswana fela thata fa ba ka bo ba itse ka botlalo tota gore e dira eng.

Kwa ntle ga moo e thusa Motswana e sa mo lope le fa e le ledi.
Ke batho ba ba reetsang, ba a tlhotlhomisa, gore fa ba tla ka dikgakololo tseo tsa semolao ba bo ba tlhotlhomisitse thata.

Gape ke re ke kantoro e e nonotshang puso ya batho ka batho, ka gore e neela Motswana mongwe le mongwe monyetla wa gore fa a ngongorega ka ditiragalo dife fela mo maphateng a Puso le one ao a a emetseng Puso, o na le kgololesego ya gore o ka ya teng.
Re buile Mr Chairperson gore go a tlhokafala gore ditiro tsa ofisi e di nne mo pontsheng, gore e re fa gotwe dikgetsi ke tse re itse gore ke dikgetsi tsa mofuta mang, ke dife tse di palang gore Batswana ba tle ba kgone go e dirisa.

Ka bua Mr Chairperson gape gore, go na le mathata a mantsi a promotions tsa civil servants le maphata a mangwe fela, a ke gopolang gore dikgetsi tse di tsene koo.
Re tshwanetse go itse re le Goromente gore re ka thusa jang gore batho ba se ka ba ngongorega ka bontsi ka bodiredi jwa rona re le Puso.

Go botlhokwa gore e re fa re rebolela Tona madi a tota fa a tla ngwaga o o tlang, Modimo a re thuse re tshele re bo re na le tsone dikarolwana tsa gore tota ofisi e deals le dikgetsi tse di ntseng jang, tsa bokete jo bo kae, mathata a fa kae.

E tle e re fa re mo rebolelela madi a a bo a ya go dira le core business.

Ke ofisi ya tlhwatlhwa.


Re gopola kgetsi e e neng ya nna teng ya mokatakata e e neng ya tla ka Ombudsman Rre Maine, a mowa wa gagwe o robale ka kagiso, fa a bua ka tiriso ya difofane jalojalo.

Ke tsone dikgetsi tse di bokete tse di ka thusang go tlhamalatsa tsamaiso ya Puso fa e le gore fa Ombudsman a tla ka tsone dikgakololo tse di a diragala, fa e le gore ga di diragale, Motswana a bo a itse gore ke eng di sa diragale.
Mo go tonatona mo go setseng go builwe ke batlotlegi Mr Chairperson, ke kgang ya human rights.

Mandate o jaanong o tsenang mo ofising e ya Ombudsman gore ba bo ba tlile go tlhokomela go bona gore ditshwanelo tsa batho ga di gatakiwe.

E bile re re budget e tota e ka bo e tseneletse ka gore re batla dilo tse di dirwa Mr Chairperson.
Re tshwanetse gore fa re dira molao jaaka re o dirile jaana re ba neetse tetla e, go bo go na le tema ya gore go ya go tsamaiwa jang, e seng jalo e tlaabo e nna molao o dithole go sena sepe se se diragalang.

Re ne re eleditse gore re ka bo re bone plan ya gore molao o tsile mme jaanong re tshwanetse go tsamaya jaana le jaana fela at high level re sa ye kgang le kgang, mme go bonwa gore it has been budgeted for, this is the requirement, re ya go diragatsa jang.
Ke matshwenyego a re tshwanetseng go a leba jaaka re isa ditirelo kwa Batswaneng.

O kare re ka nna le se kwa Kenya ba se bitsang a Citizen Centric Public Service, e e leng gore Ombudsman e a tlhokagala thata go bona gore selo se se a diragala mme e bile e ka nna one matlho a ga Goromente go bona gore re dira dilo ka tsela e e tlhomameng.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson, ke a leboga batlotlegi.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank Honourable Keorapetse.

you Minister.
you Minister.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Chairperson I am back, ke ne ke kopa gore re baakanye foo.

Ke ne ke re e ne e le tumalano ya gore ke tle ke bue gompieno.

Ga ke itse gore a wa nneela?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ee rra.

GOBOTSWANG DR (SEFHARE- RAMOKGONAMI): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

Le nna ke akgele mabapi le office e ya Mosireletsi.

Ke supe gore office ya Mosireletsi ke ya botlhokwa mo tsamaisong ya puso ya batho ka batho gongwe le gongwe.
Ga re dumalane le ba ba busang mabapi le mo dikgannyeng tse pedi; kgang ya ntlha ke ya gore Mosireletsi yo re nang nae mo seemong sa molao wa gompieno, ke gore ga a a ikemela.

Ke tlaa tlhalosa gore ke eng re re ga a ikemela, gape le fa re tlhalositse gantsi.

Selo sa bobedi ke gore ga a na meno, ke marinini fela; ga a na dithata tse di kalokalo.

Ke tsone dikgang tota tse di re farologanyang thata.
Ke batla go supa gore tota 28 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1700 – OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMANCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) fela ka keletso ya rona ke gore e bo e le gore office e e ka bo e tsentswe mo Molaomotheong, ya ba ya ikemela ka bonosi.
Kgang ya go ikemela ka nosi o kare re na le bothata le bagarona ka gore bone fa o utlwa motho e bile a rutetswe molao a tshwana le Honourable Kgafela, a kgona go bua fela gore Directorate on Corruption and Economic Crime (DCEC), Ombudsman le Palamente di ikemetse.

Ah!

O a bona gore re santse re le kgakala, re na le bothata fela jo bo seng kana ka sepe, lefifi le lentsi le fa o solofelang gore go na le lesedi.

Bagaetsho, office e ga e a ikemela.


Selo sa ntlha fela ke gore e ka fa tlase ga Office ya ga Tautona, yone e go sirelediwang setšhaba kgatlhanong le bontsi le ditshwetso tse di tsewang ke Puso e e eteletsweng pele ke Tautona.

Jaanong fa o tsaya lekgotla le le tshwanetseng go sireletsa setšhaba kgatlhanong le ditshwetso tsa Office ya ga Tautona le Puso ya gagwe, o bo o le baya mo ofising ya gagwe, o a bona gore ga gona sepe se se ka diragalang.
Le ka fa tlase ga ga Tautona, Mosireletsi o hirwa ke Tautona, fa a rata o ya go mo ntsha jaaka gompieno a mo ntshitse gotwe o ya go nna Ambassador.

Ba mo hirela babereki ba ba bonang gore gongwe ba ka sireletsa dikeletso tsa bone.

Le yone mo khirong ya Ombudsman jaaka le ba bangwe ba mofuta wa yone, le fa e leng gore gatwe go tshwanetse gore Moeteledipele wa diphathi tsa Kganetso go nne le morero le ene, ga gona morero o o nnang teng.
Kana morero go tewa gore fa e le gore Tautona o batla gore go nne le Mosireletsi o mosha mo maemong ao, ke gore go anamisiwe, batho ba itshupe gore ba eletsa go tsaya maemo a teng, ba itshupe ka dikitso tsa bone foo.

E bo e le gore Tautona gongwe o isa maina a le mabedi, a le mararo kwa go Moeteledipele wa Kganetso gore go na le maina ke a a ba ba neng ba ikopetse, dipampiri tsa bone ke tse mme ke ba sekasekile.
E rile kwa tshekatshekong ya me ke akantse mo maineng ke a, mme ke a tlhomagantse gore wa ntlha ke yo, wa bobedi ke yo jalojalo fela.

E ne e le gore Moeteledipele wa diphathi tsa Kganetso le ene, o sekaseka dikitso tsa batho ba ka fa go ntseng ka teng, e bo a ka ntsha mogopolo wa gagwe a o busetsa kwa go Tautona gore ke sekasekile mme ke ne ke akanya jaana.

Jaanong ga go a nna jalo, se se diragalang ke mokang a bolelelwang fela gore motho ke yoo, ke ene ke mo akantseng.
Gore Moeteledipele wa Kganetso o akanya jang, Tautona ga a na sepe le kgang ya gagwe.

Jaanong se sengwe ke gore re buile gantsi, e bile Honourable Lucas ke ene wa kgang e ya gore Ombudsman ke marinini fela.

Ke dirise lefoko le ka gore ke lone tota le le mo tlhalosang sentle.

Mosireletsi o dumela gore o ikemetse ka gore o tlhotlhomisa dikgang le ditshwetso tsa gagwe a sa kgorelediwe ke ope.
Le fa a sena go nna a ntsha ditshwetso tsa gagwe, di kgona go itlhokomolosiwa ke maphata a Puso ka go farologana ga one mme fa ba di itlhokomolosa, ga go lebege go na le sepe se a ka se dirang.

Ke sone se re reng ga a na meno, ke marinini fela… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke mantšhe.

DR GOBOTSWANG: …ke mantšhe fela.

Fa o lebelela e e neng e buiwa ke Honourable Makwinja… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Dr Gobotswang.

DR GOBOTSWANG: …ya helicopter…ke mang wa clarification go sena nako jaana honourable?
One second.

MR HIKUAMA: On a point of clarification.

Honourable Chairperson, ke ne ke re gone mme go na le mokaulengwe yo o buileng kgantele pele ga gago, a supa gore go tsaya ditshwetso ga ga Ombudsman, a tsaya nako a research, a ntsha pego mme ya bo e itlhokomolosiwa, ke mokang e le go senya madi a Puso ka gore ga e reye sepe fela mo tsamaisong ya Puso.

Wena o e bona jang?

DR GOBOTSWANG: Go ntse jalo Mr Chairperson, through you.
Tota e bile ke kwadile fa ka re are we getting value for our money mo Ombudsman?

Ke botsa potso yone e o e buang gore a mme madi a re a tsenyang mo Ombudsman, a re boelwa ke sengwe?

A re ka nna le office e e leng gore sa yone ke go tlhotlhomisa fela, mme e re e sena go nna e tsaya ditshwetso, di bo di sa diragadiwe, fa di sa diragadiwe, go bo go sena sepe se a ka se dirang.

Yone kgang e ya helicopter e e neng e buiwa ke Mma Makwinja, is a typical example.
Tota ke yone e e neng ya test gore a mme lekgotla le le ka re solegela molemo, mme ga itshupa gore ga le ka ke.

O ne a tsaya tshwetso ya gore ga go a dirisiwa sentle chopper mme Tautona wa nako eo Rraetsho Mogae, a itlhokomolosa e bile a ba a bua gore e bile ga re ka ke ra diragatsa tshwetso eo ya ga Ombudsman.

So o a bona gore re tsenya madi mo lekgotleng le e tlaa reng kwa bofelong, le bo le ka se ke le re solegele molemo gotlhelele fela Mr Chairperson.
29 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1700 – OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMANCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Tota keletso ya rona e ne e le gore re batla Ombudsman yo o tshwanetseng gore a sireletse ditshwanelo tsa batho tsotlhe fela tse o ka di akanyang, a sireletse setšhaba.

Gompieno jaana fa re bua ka gore Tautona o filwe shares tsa P2 million ke Choppies, kana this is the beginning of kgang ya state capture gore Goromente fa re sa tlhokomele, o tlaa tsenngwa mo pateng ke bagwebi.
Ba mo tsenya mo pateng ka gore pele ba tsentse Tautona ka go mo neela dilo tse a di tsayang fela without declaring.

Ga ke itse gore fa a di fiwa o a bo a tsaya gore ke tsa gagwe personally because o re emetse.

Jaanong fa a fiwa shares tsa bo P2 million ke Choppies, a mme le raya gore tota fela la bofelo, re tlaa nna le Puso e e tsamaisiwang ke Choppies, a le a itse tota?
Ke selo se se sa siamang, mme kana fa e ne e le Ombudsman yo o berekang, mme re tshwanetse go ikuela, gongwe ke ka botsa gore re ikuela kae fa go diragala dilo tse di ntseng jaana?

Kana re ne re tshwanetse gore re ikuele kwa go Ombudsman… MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Dr Gobotswang, your time has expired.

I now call upon the Honourable Minister to reply to the debate.

ASSISTANT MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL PUBLIC AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND ADMINISTRATION (MR MTHIMKHULU): Thank you Mr Chairperson.
Ke simolole fela ka go leboga bo Honourable Members ba ba akgetseng, ba ne ba ema nokeng (support) kopo ya Ombudsman, le ba ba neng ba ema nokeng ba sa akgele.

Ke simolole fela ka go araba dintlha dingwe tse di builweng ke Honourable Never Tshabang.

A bua ka the appointing authority gore kana appointment ya ga Ombudsman, e dirwa ke President with consultation le Leader of the Opposition (LOO), mme fa a bua jalo, a bua gape a ipelaetsa gore jaanong golo mo go supa gore Ombudsman ga a independent.
Golo mo go ntse go boelela mo dibuing di le mmalwa fela tsotlhe tse di neng di bua.

the Republic of Botswana.

Jaanong a re se ka ra... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa tlhaloso.

MR MTHIMKHULU: …re fapaanya appointment le independence.

Ke mang yo o kopang tlhaloso?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke Kgafela.

MR MTHIMKHULU: Ee, o ka tsena morena wa me.

MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR KGAFELA): A o ntshiwa jaaka Baatlhodi?

Tsamaiso ya go mo ntsha, a e tshwana le ya Baatlhodi?
MR MTHIMKHULU: Ke lebogile Rre Kgafela.

Di tshwana fela thata, tota e bile o ntshiwa ka tsone provisions tsa Molaomotheo, tse di ntshang batho ba ba tshwanang le Baatlhodi jalo, bo Directorate of Public Prosecutions (DPP).

Ke ba e reng fa ba le mo ofising, ofisi ya bone e sireletsegile.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa tlhaloso, ke Boko.

MR MTHIMKHULU: O batla go kopela Mr Kgafela jaanong Mr Boko?

MR BOKO: I am not.

MR MTHIMKHULU: O ka tsena, nako e khutshwane.


MR BOKO: Ke na le boboko jwa me le nna, ga ke kake ka dirisa boboko jwa motho yo mongwe.

Re ne re lela ka kgang ya gore consultation e dirwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang, e e dirwang ke Motlotlegi Tautona.

A wena o itumelela ka fa go ntseng ka teng, mo Tautona a tlaabong a bitsa LOO, a bo a mo raya a re ke bone semangmang, ke ene yo ke batlang go mo tsenya, e bo e nna amen?

Is it a tidy process?


Does it give LOO time to... Ke supe gore nnyaa, kana independence ya ga Ombudsman ga e tswe from the manner of the appointment.

Independence ya ga Ombudsman e papamaditswe fela mo Section 9 ya the Ombudsman Act.

E bua gore ga a ka ke a ntshiwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang mo ofising.

Fa a setse a tsene fela, o na le tshepho ya gore dingwaga tsa gagwe tse a di hiretsweng (appoint) tse five, re itse gore kana Act ya pele e ne e le four years, e ne ya baakangwa, gompieno ya re five years.
Fa a tsene fela, o a tsene, o fetsa term ya gagwe, o ka tswa fela ka go beilweng ka teng under the Constitution of MR MTHIMKHULU: Ga go na process e e tidy go feta eo Rre Boko, e bile malatsi a ka go ne ga lemogiwa gore LOO o kgona go tla, e re fa a sena to be consulted a bo a itatola, molao o o baakantsweng o mosha o o tlang, gatwe ga go rerisiwe ene fela, go rerisiwa le the Speaker of the National Assembly, gore this process ya appointment, e nne more transparent.
E bile go nne le batho ba le bantsi ba ba ka supang bophepa jwa yone.

E se ka ya re fa go tshwanetse gore go hiriwe, mongwe a bo a ngala a tsamaya a re ga a yo mo teng a sa appoint gore a tle kamoso a re Ombudsman ga a hiriwa sentle.
30 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1700 – OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMANCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Kante e re fa a sena go rerisiwa, a bo a ya go itatola, jaaka re ne re ntse re bona mo nakong e e fetileng batho ba itatola gore ga ba itse gore Ombudsman o hirilwe, mme ba ne ba rerisitswe.

Ke matlhabisaditlhong.

MR BOKO: Ke kopa tlhaloso ya bofelo.

MR MTHIMKHULU: Nnyaa, tla ke tswelele Rre Boko, ke go arabile.
Jaanong o ne gape a bua gore, I believe e araba potso ya independence ya Ombudsman, kgang e e neng e buiwa ke Rre Never Tshabang a re, how can you bite the hand that feeds you.

Nnyaa, fa o sena go hirwa fela, motho wa teng e bile gape o a lebelelwa gore go hirwa motho yo o ntseng jang.

Ke motho yo o tshwanetseng gore a bo a na le maemo a a kwa godimo thata, who qualifies to be a Judge of the High Court.
Jaanong motho yo o ntseng jalo, o na le integrity fela e e tsitsibanyang mmele, gompieno re tla fa re bo re bua gore batho bao ba ka tswa ba berekela President ka gore ke ene a ba hirileng, ke go nyenyafatsa ofisi le integrity ya bone, re tshwanetse re tshephe gore ke batho ba ba kgonang go bereka jaaka Judges.

Honourable Tshabang o buile gape ka kgang ya aeroplanes.

Kgang e e builwe gape ke dibui tse dingwe tse di neng di bua di le mmalwa, kana kgang ya aeroplanes fa le gakologelwa, report e dirilwe.
Fa e sena go dirwa with the recommendations, jaanong molao o o dirang ofisi ya Ombudsman, o supa gore fa recommendations di sa diragadiwe, go na le tsela e e ka tsewang, tsela ya teng ke go ya kwa Palamenteng.

Jaanong fa report e tlisitswe e bewa fa pele ga Palamente, Palamente le yone as another arm of Government, e na le dithata tsa gore e bone gore recommendation e e ka tsamaya jang.
Jaanong kana ba bangwe ka fa ba buang ka teng, ba batla gore Ombudsman e re fa a ntsha ditshwetso, gongwe a tshwane le court.

Nnyaa, fa a dira ditshwetso gongwe a bo a dira ditshwetso tse di tshwanang le tsa court, ene o tlaabo a fetoga go nna Ombudsman jaanong a bo a nna court.
O lemoge gore fa e le gore mongwe o ka ipelaetsa, mme ka gore re dumela gore these recommendations tsa ga Ombudsman have the force of law, e dirilwe ka fa tlase ga molao o o dirilweng ke Palamente yone e. Fa e le gore go na le mongwe yo o ipelaetsang gore ga di diragadiwe sentle, o ka bona gore o ka tsaya tsela efe, go bona gore they are enforced jaaka kwa mafatsheng a mangwe re bona batho ba kgona go ya kwa court, ba batla recommendations tsa ga Ombudsman to be enforced.
them, almost 99.99 per cent of Jaanong gape, le lemoge gore kana it is not every recommendation ya ga Ombudsman e e sa diragadiwang.

their Most of recommendations di a diragadiwa (implemented).

E bile gape ga re ise re utlwe gope mo seterateng kana gope mo dikgannyeng gotwe ga di obamelwe, di a obamelwa.

Jaanong lona le setse morago e le nngwefela e e bileng motho wa teng, o na le lona ka fa le leng ka teng.
Le nna le ene e bile le a mo tlotlomatsa gore o ne a busa sentle, o ne a tsamaya... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR MTHIMKHULU: …le sa mo kgale gore boa o ye go dira sentle kwa o neng o tswa teng.

Gatwe we create institutions and we do not give them teeth.

Ombudsman fa o ka mo lebelela ka fa a berekang ka teng mo Act, go na le fa a filweng powers teng gore a kgone go bitsa motho, a investigate, a dire eng, fa a dira jalo, ga a ka ke a kgorelediwa ke ope, mo tirong e a tlaabong a e dira.
The difference fela ke gore ka fa le buang ka teng, ke gore jaanong fa a sena go ntsha report, go diragala eng ka yone.

Nnyaa, fa a sena go ntsha report, go nna le ba e leng gore fa e le gore ba a ipelaetsa, e ka dirwa teng, jaaka ke ne ke tlhalosa gore e ka ya go diragadiwa teng.

Honourable Never Tshabang gape a re Ombudsman o tshwanetse gore a neelwe powers tse di tshwanang le judicial powers.

Nnyaa, fa e ntse jalo jaanong go tlaabo go sena distinction between courts of law le Ombudsman.
O lemoge gape gore le mo molaong o o dirilweng, o o iseng o tsene mo tirisong, o o fang Ombudsman powers tsa to investigate human rights violations, o o lebelele gore le one ga o ise o re Ombudsman o kgona to enforce any order e a e dirang.

Ya re fa e le gore Ombudsman o ntshitse that order kana award, e bo e le gore ga e obamelwe, Ombudsman o kgona go e tsaya, a bo a e isa kwa court, gore court jaanong e ye go ntsha order ya enforcement.
Ke gone go dira gore Ombudsman e se ka golo gongwe, ditiro tsa bone le tsa court di tlhakatlhakane.

E bile gape, go fa Ombudsman powers tse, ke go thusa Batswana thata mo dilong tse di tlaabong di ba ama personally, gore gongwe jaanong motho as an individual who has been affected a kgone go bona thuso fa e le gore his rights have been violated.
Ke golo mo bakaulengwe ke neng ke solofetse gore gongwe they will pick it up, ba bo ba go supa e le kgatelopele, tlhabololo e bile e le tiro e ntle e e dirilweng ke Goromente wa Botswana a direla Batswana.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa tlhaloso.

31 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1700 – OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMANCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) MR MTHIMKHULU: Ee, o ka tlhalosa Morena.
MR KGAFELA: A ga gona criminal prosecution kgatlhanong le yo a sa obameleng recommendations tsa ga Ombudsman?

Tshekiso ya bokebekwa, ga e yo mo molaong oo?

MR MTHIMKHULU: E teng Rre Kgafela.

That is why ke ne ke re fa motho a ipelaetsa gore golo gongwe melao e ga e salwe morago sentle, o ka tsaya kgato, a bona gore dilo dingwe di a dirwa e bile di dirwa sentle.

A se ka a tla fa a bo a tla a re Ombudsman ga a na the powers.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A ka mapodiseng?

tlaleya kwa MR MTHIMKHULU: Ee rra.


Never Tshabang o buile ka ofisi e e sa feleng kwa Maun.

Ke bue gore kana ofisi e e kwa Maun ga e fele, go filwe contract to an independent contractor yo o agang ofisi ya kwa Maun.

The problem mostly is not with the institutions of Government themselves, o fitlhela problems di dirwa ke construction companies tse di agang.
Mathata a teng a tsena mo go reng, babereki ba ga Goromente ba ba tshwanetseng gore ba di beye leitlho, bontsi jwa nako o fitlhela ba bofegile matsogo, ba bofiwa ke the contracts that are signed le companies tse.

Ke sone se o boneng maloba Honourable Serame a tla fa pele ga Palamente a re, o ya go fetola ka fa contracts tsa ga Goromente di dirwang ka teng.

O ya go tla ka motlhale o mošha wa go dira gore konteraka fa e abiwa, motho a itse gore o ya go dira design and build, e tla e le complete e ntse jalo.
Ke dumela gore moo go tlaa thusa Goromente go boloka madi a a senyegang thata.

Rre Molebatsi o buile ka leina la Ombudsman, a re leina la teng ga le gender neutral.

Nnyaa, ba ofisi ya ga Ombudsman ba nkgakolotse gore leina leo, di Ombudsman world over are embracing it.

Ba re le siame, ba batla ofisi ya bone e bidiwa fela gotwe Ombudsman.

Ba re the word Ombudsman is generic.

Go raya gore go tewa mosadi le monna, ga go tewe monna fela.
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR MTHIMKHULU: Ke lebogela gore o bo o lebogile Rre Makgonatsotlhe, gore ka nako ya gagwe a bo a bone gore o tlogela tiro (resigned).

E le ene a tlogelang, kwa morago Tautona a mo akanyetsa gore o ka mo appoint e nne Ambassador kwa Kuwait.

E le ene voluntarily who resigned.

MR LUCAS: Clarification.

A ko o ntlhalosetse e, ke itse gore fa gongwe o rata go kgaolela batho fa ba sa tlhaloganye.
Fa e le gore go na le maphata a Puso, a Ombudsman a lemogang gore kgapetsakgapetsa go tlisiwa dikgang tsa maphata a a tshwanang le ao, for instance maphata a tshwana a Pensions, Labour le a mangwe, a ga gona ka tsela e Ombudsman a ka tlang a recommend maybe structural changes to maphata ao?

Fa a kare he deals le batho ka bongwe ka bongwe, maphata a mangwe a setse a bodile fela thata.
Ga ke itse gore a gona le gope fa a ka nnang proactive, a lemoga gore kgapetsakgapetsa go tla ba pensions, land board le labour.

A o na le dithata dipe tsa gore a re, batho ba tla ka mmetela ka dikgang tse di tswang kwa, jaanong I recommend gore go nne le some structural changes?

Ke a leboga rraetsho.

MR MTHIMKHULU: Thank you.

Ombudsman o dira tiro, o dira recommendations.

Fa a dira recommendations, o di dira ka tsela e ene a bonang gore go ka bereka mo lephateng leo.
So recommendation that he feels it will be appropriate to address the particular concern in that particular department of Government, o tlaa e dira e bo e tsamaya.

Ke ka se ke ke mo akanyetse gore o ka dira e e ntseng jang gompieno, mme ke itse gore o dira recommendations.

Recommendation is a broad word, go tewa recommendations that can cover any particular situation e a bonang e le necessary for it to be addressed.
Rre Molebatsi gape o buile ka gore, kwa mafatsheng a sele Ombudsman e le ene, can initiate investigations.

A sa tlhoke gore go bo go na le report.

Ee Rre Molebatsi, le our Act at Section 10 under functions of the Ombudsman, Section 10 (1) (a) (ii), e a supa gore Ombudsman le fa go sena report, if there is a particular concern that he feels gore ga go dirwe sentle, o a kgona gore a bo a emelela and initiate those investigations tsa that particular issue that concerns him.
Mma Kereng tota o ne a galaletsa ba Ombudsman thata… ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MR MOLEBATSI): Clarification.

Molao o ke neng ke fa sekai ka one kwa Denmark, kwa gotweng o kgona gore a tsamaye le ka magatwe fela, go na le magatwe fela.

Go ne gotwe rumour.

A le wa rona kwano molao o letlelela gore o ka tsamaya ka the rumours?

MR MTHIMKHULU: Molao fa ke o bala Rre Molebatsi wa rialo.
Wa re, “subject to the provisions of this Section, the Ombudsman may investigate any action taken by or on behalf of a Government department in the exercise of administrative functions of that department.
32 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1700 – OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMANCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) (ii) on his or her own motion where he or she considered it necessary to investigate the action on the ground that a person has or may have sustained injuries or unfair treatment in consequence of maladministration with the actions so taken.” Rumours are covered there, anything that may lead him or put him into action is enough, is sufficient to investigate.
Ke leboge Motlotlegi Kereng gore a bo le ene a lebogile tiro e e dirwang ke ba Ombudsman.

O buile ka low resolution of cases.

Re a dumalana Motlotlegi Kereng, there is a low resolution of cases.

Ba re tiro ya bone e interactive thata, ba tshwanetse gore ba kopane le batho, ba ye kwa complaints di tswang teng.

Jaanong ka nako ya COVID-19, tota go ne go pala gotlhelele.
That is why le cases tse di begilweng di le kwa tlase, because gone go na le staff se se nnyennyane, go na le decongestion mo diofising, go na le mathata.

Gape ba ka se ke ba kopane le batho ba ba reetsa, mme ba a solofetsa gore mo nakong e e tlang, ba tlaa leka go tsosa dinao, ba bone gore ba ka dira tse dintsi go feta fa ba dirileng teng mo dingwageng tse.

O buile gape ka public education, ke re it is very important.

E builwe ke ba bangwe jaaka Honourable Reatile le ba bangwe.
It is very important, jaaka re bona Coke e nna e advertiser gangwe le gangwe re e itse rotlhe, mme ba tswelela ka go advertiser fela.

It is very important gore public education should not stop, gore batho ba nne ba ntse ba gakololwa ka the existence ya ofisi e le tiro e ntle e e e dirang.

Ba tlaa tswelela ba dira jalo.

Ke dumela gore ba tlaa oketsa fa go ntseng go tlhaela teng, gore ba ye kwa bathong.
Ba le utlwile gore batho ga ba itse sentle ka ofisi e. O buile ya construction; I have addressed it ke re kana sometimes badirelapuso may be limited fa contract e setse e le awarded le agreements which are signed on behalf of the Government, tse e leng tsone gantsi di bayang Goromente ka fa mosing.

Jaanong go thata gore e re fa motho a setse a beilwe on site, o bo o ya go mo emisa, ka gore o tloga jaanong o direla Goromente go se gontle.

E bo kamoso a atlholwa madi a a seng kana ka sepe.


Rre Reatile tsa gagwe tse a neng a di bua ke gore Ombudsman ga a na meno.

I have addressed them, ke supile gore Ombudsman o na le meno thata, e bile o a loma.

Se se setseng ke Palamente, re tshwanetse re ikgale ka bo rona.

Re supe gore Ombudsman o dira tiro, o tsaya nako e telele a tlhotlhomisa.
Dilo tse le neng le bua ka tsone, di ama mapolotiki, bangwe ba bone ba na le bo Rre Reatile mo diphathing kana mo opposition, ba nako ya teng e ne e le Vice President (VP), go ngongoregiwa ka bone.

Ke tsone dilo tse rona re le mapolotiki re tshwanetse re re nnyaa rra, ema ka dinao.

Fa e le gore o ne o le Mothusa Tautona kana Tautona ga o a obamela recommendation ya ga Ombudsman, kana taolo ya lekgotla lepe e e dirilweng, o itse gore you failed o le Tautona kana Mothusa Tautona.
You failed to make sure gore Molaomotheo le melao ya Botswana e a tlotlwa.

Diofisi tsa Botswana tse di filweng marapo ke Molaomotheo le melao ya Botswana o di tlontlolotse.

You were not supposed to be a President.

Ke yone kgang e re ka bong re e bua le bohonourable mo Palamenteng.

Re batla gore batho ba ba ntseng jalo, e se ka ya nna Presidents.

MR REATILE: On a point of clarification Mr Chairperson.

Honourable Minister, o bua kgang e e maleba, e e tlhamaletseng.
Ga go na sepe se se phoso mo go se o se buang.

Re tshwanetse le rona re itebe, re ikale gore a mme re obamela melao ya lefatshe ka nako ya rona fa re le mo maemong a gore.

Kgang e ya difofane, BCP e ne ya bega gore Rre Khama ga a tshwanela go fofisa difofane.

Rre Khama ga a ise a re o na le tshwanelo.

President wa nako eo, o ne a re o mo letleletse.

Ga go na ka fa Rre Khama a rileng he is defying tshwetso ya ga Ombudsman.

Ke sone se re tshwanetse gore fa re le mo ofising re bone gore re a tlotla.
Go tshwana le wena Honourable Minister, o itse gore o boleletse Palamente e gore e tlaare ka October wa last year, batho ba bo ba duelwa madi a bone ka judgement e e saleng e tswa kwa court.

Gompieno batho ga ba ise ba bone madi.

O a itse gore re tsweletse re go bitsa honourable, e bile ga o tlhabelwe ke ditlhong polelo e o neng wa tla go e neela Palamente.

Gompieno batho ga ba ise ba bone madi.

Ke tlaa kopa gore o nne sekai honourable.


O ne o ka se ke o neele Tautona mokwalo wa tlogela maemo a o a tshwereng ka gore o a itse gore ga o a bolelela setšhaba boammaaruri last year.

I thank you sir.

MR MTHIMKHULU: Reatile o bua dilo tse di duleng mo tseleng.

Golo moo ga Secretaries go a dirwa.

Ministry wa rona o o eteletsweng ke Rre Morwaeng, ga re oshaoshe, re gateletse gore batho bao ba neelwe madi a bone.
Ba tlaa le bolelela ba union fa e le gore ke ditsala tsa gago gore position ya rona re le Ministers ke gore, batho ba duelwe Rre Reatile.

Ga re tshwane le ba 33 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1700 – OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMANCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) e leng gore e rile tsala ya bone e le Mothusa Tautona, a kgweetsa flying machines gotwe a se ka a di kgweetsa.

Ba sa mo reye ba re, a obamele taolo ya ga Ombudsman.
Re bua ka lona gore ga o na any moral authority go tla fa gompieno o bua gore Ombudsman ga a na meno.

O ne o le mo Palamenteng nako ya teng, o na le tshono ya gore o emelele ka dinao o bue gore taolo ya Ombudsman e tlotlwe.

Motho yo o e tlotseng, ga a na tetla ya go nna President ka gore ga a obamela Molaomotheo le melao ya Botswana.

He had disrespected the lawful orders from lawful institutions of this country.

Ke wena o ka bong o tsere kgato.


E ka bo motho wa teng gompieno lefatshe la Botswana le sireletsegile, a sa nna Tautona.

O ne wa bua gape ka ya public education fa ke sa fose Rre Reatile.

Jaaka ke ne ke bua, e tlaa tswelela e dirwa.

Le nna ke batla gore batho ba kwa Old Naledi ka o ne o o fa sekai ka bone, ba itse thata ka Ombudsman.

Ba e dirise thata mo dingongoregong tsa bone.

Moreso gompieno e dira ka issues tsa human rights.


Batho ba kwa dikgaolong tsa rona ba ngongorega thata ka go tsuololwa ditshwanelo tsa bone ke badirelapuso.

E ka tswa e le mapodise, le ba bangwe fela ba ngongorega ka bone.

Jaanong go dirilwe sentle.

Ke eletsa gore ba simolole kwa kgaolong ya me ba ye go ruta ka this office ya the Ombudsman.

MR LUCAS: Ke kopa go tlhaloganya e ya ditshwanelo Rre Mthimkhulu.
Rre Mthimkhulu, Ombudsman yo mosha yo o mmuang o tlaabo a sala morago dikgang tsa kgatako ya ditshwanelo tsa batho.

A ditshwanelo tse di a tleng di buiwe e le tsa legato la boraro, tse gotweng ke tsa itsholelo, botsogo jo bo siameng, thuto le tse dingwe, di mo teng kgotsa ke ditshwanelo tsa gore o se ka wa tshwenngwa ke mapodise?

MR MTHIMKHULU: Nnyaa, ditshwanelo tsa sengwe le sengwe; human rights in general.

Ba tlaa rutiwa ka tsone.


Ke ne ke efa e le sekai ka batho ba kwa kgaolong gore ba ngongorega ka reports tse di ntseng jaana, e seng gore ke gone fela.

Go gontsi mo ba ka ngongoregang ka gone.

Jaaka ke file sekai ke re, our human rights are violated.

They should know about their rights.

Mma Makwinja o ne a bua ka the human rights law gore e pasisitswe jaanong is implemented leng?

Mma Makwinja, ba Ombudsman ba emetse gore molao o, o bewe monwana on the commencement date ke Tona.

Bone ba eme sentle.
Bone ba eme sentle.

Ba o emetse gore o tle o simololwe.

Ba baakantse sengwe le sengwe kwa ofising ya bone gore fa o saenwa, ba bo ba tswelela ba ya kwa pele to implement molao o. Ba re ba tshwaragane le ba Directorate of Public Service Management (DPSM) gore ba ba baakanyetse diofisi le batho ba bayang go tsena mo maemong a a farologanyeng, ba ba tlaabong ba dira tiro eo kana ba tlatsa ba ba ntseng ba le teng go dira tiro ya human rights.

Ke dumela gore ke le arabile lotlhe bakaulengwe.


Tse dingwe di ne di boelela gantsinyana.

Jaanong ke tswale… MR LUCAS: Mma ke kope e nngwefela Honourable Mthimkhulu.

Go na le maphata a o fitlhelang a direla Puso tiro, a a tshwanang le security jaana, a a sa tseyeng babereki sentle, mme a hirilwe go kata premises tsa Puso.

Batho ba, Ombudsman a o na le phatlha ya go goroga kwa go bone gore ba dire tiro ya bone sentle kgotsa ke private sector e amana le Puso?
MR MTHIMKHULU: Ee, nnyaa o a itse gore ke private sector, e bo e amana le Puso, e tlhamaletse.

Ka bonnyennyane jo ke bo itseng ke sa batle go go araba, e kare ba kwa Defence ba itse ka fa dikompone go berekiwang le tsone ka teng.

Gape go na le molao wa kwa Labour wa mohiri le mohiriwa.

Eo tota o ka e isa koo.

Ombudsman ga yo foo.

Ombudsman o bua ka administrative issues tse di dirang le administrative organs of Government e seng private entities.
Jaanong ke fetsa ke tswala ke re, Mr Chairperson, this concludes my budget proposal for Organisation 1700, Office of the Ombudsman.

I therefore request that the sum of Fifty-Eight Million, Four Hundred Forty-Two Thousand and Seven Hundred and Thirty Pula (P58, 442, 730.00) being Forty-Three Million, Six Hundred and Forty-Two Thousand and Seven Hundred and Thirty Pula (P43, 642, 730.
00) for Recurrent Expenditure and Fourteen Million, Eight Hundred Thousand Pula (P14, 800, 000.00) for Development Budget be approved and stand as part of the Estimates for the financial year 2022/2023.

I move accordingly.

I thank you, Chairperson.

Question put and agreed to.


ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICES MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Members, 2 hours 16 minutes have been allocated to this Organisation and I shall call upon the Honourable Minister to reply to the debate at 1750 hours today and the question will be put at 1505 hours tomorrow.

Honourable Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services, may you present your budget proposal sir.
34 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR MZWINILA): I thank you Mr Chairperson.

Mr Chairperson, please allow me to present my ministry’s budget proposal for the financial year 2022/2023 for consideration by this Honourable Committee.
My presentation Mr Chairperson, will be preceded by a summary of the 2021/2022 budget performance and a review of key activities, undertaken by the ministry during that financial year.
2021/2022 BUDGET EXECUTION The ministry was initially allocated a total of Four Billion, Three Hundred and Sixty-Five Million, Two Hundred and Nineteen Thousand, Five Hundred and Sixty Pula (P4, 365,219,560) consisting of Three Billion, Four Hundred and One Million, Two Hundred and Seventy-Two Thousand Pula P3, 401,272,000 for the Development Budget and Nine Hundred and Sixty-Three Million, Nine Hundred and Forty-Seven Thousand, Five Hundred and Sixty Pula (P963, 947,560) for Recurrent the Development Budget.
By November 2021, Expenditure stood at 92 per cent and an amount of One Billion, Eight Hundred and Sixty Million, Five Hundred and Ninety-Four Thousand, Five Hundred and Seven Pula (P1, 860,594,507) was approved as Supplementary Budget at the November Parliamentary Session, which increased the Development Budget to Five Billion, Two Hundred and Sixty-One Million, Eight Hundred and Sixty-Six Thousand, Five Hundred and Seven Pula (P5, 261,866,507).
The ministry requested for the sum of One Billion, Nine Hundred and Twenty-Seven Million, Nine Hundred and Fifty-Four Thousand, Two Hundred and Forty-Eight Pula (P1,927,954,248) as supplementary budget for ongoing projects and commencement of new contracts being; Goodhope Water Supply Phase 2.2, Maun Water and Sanitation and Land Servicing projects.
The approved P1, 860,594,507 therefore excluded part of the amount for commencement of new projects, which resulted in some of the planned land servicing projects being deferred to 2022/2023.
Expenditure as at 8th March 2022 stood at Eight Hundred and Eighty- Three Million, Eight Hundred and Fifty-Two Thousand, Two Hundred and Fifty-Eight Pula (P883, 852,258) for the Recurrent Budget and Four Billion, Five Hundred and Eight Million, Six Hundred and Sixteen Thousand, Five Hundred and Eighty-Eight Pula (P4, 508,616,588) for Development Budget.

The Development Budget expenditure is expected to further increase after payment of the February claims.
Review of the 2021/2022 Major Activities Land Management National Spatial Planning the Mr Chairperson, the establishment of the 11 new planning regions as one of initiatives for implementation of the National Spatial Plan (NSP) 2036 is almost complete.

The consultation process was an extensive exercise since it included all the local and land authorities through their various committee structures as well as all relevant stakeholders, for wider coverage.
Public scrutiny and gazettement of the planning regions will be completed by March 2022.

National Spatial Data Infrastructure (NSDI) Mr Chairperson, the establishment of a National Spatial Data Infrastructure (NSDI) is a critical project that contributes to digital transformation and Smart Botswana.

NSDI is a way of enhancing the accessibility, communication, and use of geospatial data to support a variety of decisions at all levels of society.
It allows for access to, and exchange of geospatial data from multiple sources which makes it the ultimate tool for reduction of duplications of efforts between various organisations.

Mr Chairperson, I am delighted to report that from April 2022 we shall commence issuing of Secure Land Titles (SLTs) after passing through the hurdles that delayed the process in the current financial year.
Issuance of SLTs is a key milestone for a good land administration system which guarantees ownership and security of land tenure, facilitates access to secured credit, and also supports land and property taxation.

Land Allocation In terms of the land issues, the ministry is currently working towards addressing some of the identified impediments, without compromising on environmental sustainability and good governance in land delivery.
One of the impediments is the standardised procedures for land delivery and developments across towns, villages and rural settlements irrespective of size, location and planning hierarchy.

We are addressing these bottlenecks by rolling back the administrative and legal requirements and allowing the land market to flourish.
We are also looking into different compensation models including partnerships, to deal with delays in land acquisition, specifically addressing land title holders who backtrack on the agreed compensation amounts and demand compensation in kind.
35 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply Land Servicing Water and Sanitation Mr Chairperson, the ongoing full land servicing project at Metsimotlhabe Block 4 (1,068 plots) that was planned for completion in 2021 has been delayed due to COVID-19 restrictions and poor performance by one of the contractors.
The project was also affected by delays in completing the acquisition process for ploughing fields within the project area.

The delay is a result of resistance by land title holders to surrender the land to pave way for the project.

Mr Chairperson, due to the earlier mentioned budgetary challenges, some of the 2021/2022 planned land servicing projects that were at tendering stage for the construction phase were deferred to the 2022/2023 period.
The affected projects are: Francistown Aerodrome Link Road Component 1 and Component 2, Mmopane Block 1, Mochudi South, Seuwane, Kachikau and Nnyungwe projects.

Projects that were at design review stage during the financial year 2021/2022 included Ghanzi extension which is a total of about 8200 plots, Kasane Plateau, Maun Central Business District (CBD), Botshabelo, Matshwane and Disana which is around 4244 plots, Selibe Phikwe Phase 2 under SPEDU and Palapye Extension 10 with 3200 plots.
The design for Ghanzi extension was completed in December 2021 while Kasane Plateau designs were completed in November 2021.

Bid documents for these projects are being vetted in preparation for procurement of the construction contractor during the next financial year.

Maun land servicing was planned to commence in September 2021 but it was deferred to the financial year 2022/2023 due to budgetary constraints.
Reaffirmation of International Boundaries Mr Chairperson, well defined international boundaries are the backbone of a country’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.

Boundaries that are internationally recognised and maintained create a conducive environment for the development of, among other things, a country’s economy, trade, and tourism, cross border cooperation and sharing of natural resources along the boundaries.
The reaffirmation of common boundaries between Botswana and her neighbours is a project that my ministry is mandated to undertake continuously.

Since the project is a joint exercise between Botswana and her neighbours, it is largely dependent on the availability of both parties.

The advent of virtual platforms has made it possible to hold meetings and agree in principle on the way forward.
The challenges of COVID-19 pandemic have hampered progress with regard to the physical delineation demarcations and surveying of our boundaries.

Mr Chairperson, through the World Bank loan-funded Botswana Emergency Water Supply Efficiency Project, my ministry completed the development of the National Water Conservation and Demand Management Strategy; a study on the Demarcation of Catchment Management Areas; and the Raw Water Abstraction and Pricing Strategy.
The ministry is now in the process of completing the development of Sanitation Management Strategy and the revision of the 1968 Water Act and its related pieces of legislation together with the assessment for possibility of establishing an Independent Water Regulator.

Development of a Long Term Water Security Strategy through the support of various water experts in the country is ongoing and it is expected to be completed by May 2022.
Botswana continues to cooperate with other countries with respect to shared trans-boundary water resources.

Currently, active key projects under the Orange- Senqu River Basin Commission (ORASECOM) and the Okavango Watercourse Commission include the implementation of the UNDP/GEF Strategic Action Programmes.

The projects supported the communities living within the basin in Rappelspan and Struizendam with two solar- powered water treatment plants for community projects and a horticulture garden.
Recently, a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) for water cooperation was signed during the third (3rd) Bi-National Cooperation meeting between Botswana and Zimbabwe held in Victoria Falls, Zimbabwe.

On 25th February 2021 His Excellency (HE) the President of Botswana visited Namibia to discuss the state of the joint water cooperation between the two countries.
During the meeting Botswana expressed and reiterated the interest in a water supply scheme from desalinated seawater at the Namibian coast to Botswana.

Following His Excellency, the President’s visit to Namibia, the two countries continued to engage at a technical level, discussing progress made by each country; feasibility study on the Seawater Desalination conducted by Namibia; and also establishment of pre- investment activities for the Seawater Desalination project.
Water and Sanitation Infrastructure Development and Service Delivery In line with the Reset Agenda, Government has continued to prioritise the provision of water as a basic need and a critical resource in facilitating the key sectors 36 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply of the economy.
Throughout the National Development Plan (NDP) 11 period, over 80 per cent of the ministry’s Development Budget has been allocated for Water and Sanitation Infrastructure projects.

During the last financial year 2021/2022, the ministry completed the construction of Masama-Mmamashia 100km Water Pipeline benefiting Greater Gaborone area including Kanye, Ramotswa cluster, Lobatse cluster and Goodhope Sub District.
The ministry also completed the construction of Shakawe and Gumare Water Treatment Plants, benefiting Shakawe and Gumare catchment areas; and pipeline connection of Mokgacha Village from the Seronga – Gudigwa Potable Water Scheme.

The expansion of Water Treatment Plants for Mahalapye and Palapye were commissioned and handed over in February 2022 and we are due to do official commissioning of these projects during the course of next month, and these communities are now benefiting from these projects.
Construction of Lobatse bottleneck and Mogojogojo Pipelines are also substantially complete.

Commissioning of these will occur during the course of next month.

Maun Water and Sanitation Phase 2-Contract 1 (extension and upgrading of water distribution network and sanitation reticulation) commenced in October 2019, and is scheduled to be completed in 36 months.

The water reticulation component of the project is substantially done, while the sewerage component of the project is behind schedule.
The Design and Building of Mmamashia Water Treatment Plant commenced in November 2020 with the design phase.

Construction was scheduled to commence in March 2021 and it is scheduled to be completed by October 2023.

The North-South Carrier (NSC) 2.3 is a potable water scheme intended to further distribute water from Mmamashia Water Treatment Plant to Gaborone and it commenced in November 2020.
Progress is at different stages for the three components of the project and the project completion date is due to be May 2022.

Lobatse Water Supply Master Plan also commenced in November 2020.

The project involves construction of a water transfer scheme that conveys potable water from Gaborone to villages in the five constituencies of; Lobatse, Moshupa-Manyana, Goodhope-Mabule, Ramotswa, and Mmathethe-Molapowabojang.
Moshupa Sanitation and Tswapong South Villages Potable Water Scheme projects also commenced in November 2020 and the projects are on schedule.

Kgalagadi North and Ghanzi South project entails the supply of potable water to 11 villages in Kgalagadi North and seven villages in Ghanzi South and the Engineering and Environmental Consultancies are progressing well.

The project entails verification of borehole yields and water quality and it was awarded in July 2021.
The Rehabilitation of Kasane-Kazungula Water Distribution Network commenced in March 2021 and it is planned to be completed in January 2023.

Molepolole (Gamononyane) - NSC Connection, commenced in October 2021 and it is planned to be completed in April 2023 and the project is running on schedule.

Goodhope Water Supply-Phase 2.2 (connecting 32 villages in the Goodhope Sub District) was awarded in February 2022 and it is expected to be commenced during the course of this month.
Pre-qualification of the bidders for the proposed Glen Valley Wastewater Reclamation Public Private Partnership (PPP) project was completed in June 2021.

The shortlisted bidders have been issued with Request for Proposals, so that they can submit technical and financial proposals for implementing the Project.

The tender is currently running and will be closed by end of March 2022 and this project involves taking raw sewage water and transforming it into potable water for human consumption.
Tender for Transaction Advisor for the Chobe/Zambezi Water Transfer Scheme (Pandamatenga to Gaborone) which will be another PPP basis closed in November 2021 and we are now evaluating the submitted tenders and this will be completed this month and appointment of the Transaction Advisor for the Project is expected to be done by the end of this month.
World Bank Supported Botswana Emergency Water Supply and Efficiency Construction of the North East/Tutume Sub District Water Transfer Scheme under the Botswana Emergency Water Supply and Efficiency (World Bank supported programme) has been completed except for six villages.

It is a 52-village projects.

So far 46 are beneficiating from the project and we are still finishing off with the remaining six villages.

Selebi Phikwe–Serule Water Transfer Scheme is progressing well.
Boteti Southern and Central Cluster of villages Water Supply Scheme is at tender evaluation stage and expected to be awarded by June 2022.
37 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply 2022/2023 BUDGET PROPOSALS Mr Chairperson, the ministry’s proposed budget for the financial year 2022/23 is Six Billion, and Six Million, Five Hundred and Fifty-Eight Thousand, Seven Hundred and Forty-Eight Pula (P6,006,558,748) which consists P5,064,798,358 for the Development Budget and P941,760,390 for the Recurrent Budget.
The ministry’s 2022/2023 budget allocation is 37.6 per cent more than the 2021/2022 original allocation.

RECURRENT BUDGET In terms of the Recurrent Budget, the sum of P508,558,540 of the proposed Recurrent Budget is allocated to the 12 land boards which is 54 per cent of the Recurrent Budget.

The remaining 46 per cent will be allocated to the ministry’s eight departments.
DEVELOPMENT BUDGET In terms of the Development Budget, the proposed Development Budget is Five Billion, and Sixty-Four Million, Seven Hundred and Ninety-Eight Thousand, Three Hundred and Fifty-Eight Pula (P5,064,798,358) and the largest share of the Development Budget is allocated to Water Supply Pipelines, at P2,332,287,108 or 46 per cent.

The second largest share is allocated to Water Supply and Sanitation Networks at P2,192,500,000 or 43.3 per cent of the Development Budget.
Land acquisition is allocated P32,000,000 for compensation of land owners for plots that are acquired for re-allocation to the public.

The amount allocated for land acquisition is expected to pay for 4,000 hectares of land and it is estimated that this land will produce 40,000 plots which we intend to allocate.

Under the Land Administration Procedures Capacity and Systems (LAPCAS) project, an amount of P5,500,000 is allocated for plot surveys which is expected to cover a total of 8,462 plots.
Other components of the LAPCAS project are allocated P32,900,000.

In terms of the Strategic Environmental Assessments (SEA), my ministry and the Ministry of Environment Wildlife and Tourism-Department of Environmental Affairs, have come to an understanding that the SEA requirements may be exempted under certain conditions.

On that note, for the 2022/2023 financial year we will continue to engage them.
We have set aside P4,300,000 for the preparation of SEA in the highly sensitive areas and the budget will facilitate 1,433 hectares of land (which is about 14,333 plots).

The budget for Development Plans will cover Gaborone, Francistown and Segoditshane Development Plans, Good hope Sub District Cluster Plan, and Kopong/Lentsweletau Structure Plan.

The SEA and Regional Development Budget is estimated to cover about 156,303 plots which we hope to allocate during the course of the next year.
CONCLUSION Mr Chairperson, as I conclude my presentation of the 2022/2023 budget proposals, I move that the sum of Nine Hundred and Forty-One Million, Seven Hundred and Sixty Thousand, Three Hundred and Ninety Pula (P941,760,390) for the Recurrent Budget be approved and stand part of the 2022/2023 Appropriation Bill (No.
1 of 2022) for Organisation 1800 and that a sum of Five Billion, and Sixty-Four Million, Seven Hundred and Ninety-Eight Thousand, Three Hundred and Fifty-Eight Pula (P5,064,798,358) for the Development Budget be approved and stand part of the same Schedule of the Appropriation (2022/2023) for Organisation 1800.

I move accordingly.

I thank you Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister Autlwetse.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: He has debated at the Cabinet Mr Chairperson, o ka tsenya rona.
MR CHAIRPERSON: …(Laughter!

)… Honourable Gare.

OF AGRICULTURAL MINISTER SECURITY DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD (MR GARE): Ke a leboga Modulasetilo.

Mma ke go dumedise tshokologong eno, ke bo ke dumedise Batlotlegi Mapalamente.

Ke lebogele sebaka se o se mphileng gore le nna ke latlhele la mmotlana mo pegong e re sa tswang go e bewa pele ke Tona wa tsa Lefatshe, Metsi le Kgopho ya metsi a a leswe.
Mr Chairperson, ke tshwanetse ka simolola fela ka go supa gore kana dikgang tsa metsi le lefatshe ke dingwe tsa dilo tse di leng konokono mo botshelong jwa motho.

Ka jalo go botlhokwa gore kopo e re e eme nokeng gore re nne re totobe, re bone gore batho ba rona re ba thusa ka mokgwa o o ntseng jang.
Mr Chairperson, re tshwanetse ra dumalana gore fa re lebelela dikgwetlho tse re nang le tsone mo kgannyeng ya go tlhabolola lefatshe go dira services le go isa ditlamelo tse di tshwanang le tsa metsi le kgopho ya 38 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply metsi a a leswe kwa bathong, ke nngwe ya dilo tse di turu thata.
Jaanong kopo ya me kwa go Tona ke gore ke ne ke eletsa gore a nne fa fatshe le ba Ministry of Finance go bona ditsela tse re ka kgonang go di dirisa go leka go tsenya madi mo projects tsa mofuta o, ke dife.

Tumelo ya me ke gore ga re kitla re nna le budget epe e e tlaa lekanang go dira ditlamelo tse tsotlhe ka mokgwa o re di batlang di ka bo di dirwa ka teng.
Jaanong Mr Chairperson, ke buisiwa se ke gore kgwetlho ya tse di amanang le tsa metsi, lefatshe le kgopo ya metsi a a leswe, e aname lefatshe lotlhe ka bophara.

Go simologa le gone mo toropong e ya Gaborone jaaka o kgona go bona fela gore fa pula e nele, ga gona gope fa re fetang teng, metsi ga gona gore a ka gopiwa ka mokgwa o o ntseng jang.
Ke sone se ke reng gongwe go tlile nako ya gore ba sekaseke on how to finance dilo tse ka gore dikgang tse di botlhokwa thata le mo dikgannyeng tsa go rotloetsa bagwebi, ke tsone enablers gore bagwebi ba kgone go dira ditiro tsa bone sentle.

Mr Chairperson, fa ke lebelela kgaolo e e tshwanang le ya Moshupa-Manyana, ke nngwe ya dikgaolo tse e leng gore dikgang tse tsa lefatshe le metsi di e ama thata.
Ke simolola fela ka motse o wa Manyana o e leng gore ke tsena mo Palamenteng ka 2018 ke ntse ke bua ka kgang ya lefatshe ya batho ba ba tshwenngwang ke metsi kwa selokong se se kwa Manyana.

Kopo ya me mo go Tona ke gore kgang e e tswa kgakala kwa go 2007.

Mo go swabisang ke gore ga gona ope yo o kileng a ipha matsapa e le Tona kana e le moeteledipele, a ya go bua le batho ba Manyana fela go ba fa tsholofelo ya gore mme re utlwile selelo sa lona, re tlaa dira se kana re tlaa se ke re kgone gotlhelele.
Ke gore go ba kgwa kgaba fela go kgona gore le bone e le batho, ba itse gore boeteledipele bo tlhaloganya gore ba mo seemong se.

Mr Chairperson, jaanong ke ne ke sa tswa go bua gore ke eletsa Tona a ka ipha nako a ya go bua le morafe wa Manyana go kgona go ba tlhalosetsa gore o tlaa ba thusa ka mokgwa o o ntseng jang.

Kana a ba fuduse, a bone gore o ba thusa jang gore seemo se ba mo go sone, se se ka sa ba babalela ka mokgwa o se ba babalelang ka teng gompieno.
Ke seemo se re se itemogelang kwa motseng wa Moshupa, gore mo kgaolong e tshwana le ya Sedudu, mmu wa teng le one o seloko fela jaaka wa kwa Manyana.

Le one fela jaaka wa Manyana, go sale go begwa gotwe reports di kwa go bo Permanent Secretary (PS), di kwa kae, ga ke itse gore a ga di goroge kwa ofising ya ga Tona.

Le bone re tshwanetse go bona gore re ba kgwa kgaba ka mokgwa o o ntseng jang.
Mr Chairperson, o tlaa lemoga gore fela ka dipula tsa bosheng, go ne go bonala le mo social media gore fa pula e na mo Kgaolong ya Moshupa-Manyana, go nna ka mokgwa o o ntseng jang.

Ke dilo tse ke neng ke re ke di bue fano gompieno gore di botlhokwa go di tsibogela gore batho ba ba Modimo, re bone gore re ba thusa jang gore e se ka ya nna e re fa pula e tla, ba bo jaanong ba lala ba sa bona boroko, kana ba tshoga gore matlo a tlaa lala a ba wetse ka ntata ya metsi a a tsenang mo matlong a bone.
Mr Chairperson, seemo sa metsi mo kgaolong, e re ntswa re lebogela project e e dirwang gompieno ya sanitation le gone gore metsi mo motseng wa Moshupa a tokafatse, re santse re itemogela tlhaelo e e feteletseng kwa Kgaolong ya Manyana gape, bogolo jang kwa ditsheng tse disha.

Re kgona go bona two weeks a feta fela e le gore ga gona le fa e le thothi e e tswang mo pompong.

Ke sengwe se le sone fa re lebetse budget ya gompieno, re tshwanetse go bona gore re se sekaseka ka mokgwa o o ntseng jang.
Re setse re rotloetsa batho gore ba dirise ditlamelo tsa mo matlong tse di tlhokanang le metsi mme jaanong fa e le gore two weeks o kgona go feta batho ba sa bone metsi, ke seemo se se sa nneng sentle gotlhelele.

Kgaolo e tshwana le ya Lotlhakane West, le yone e santse e kgona go itemogela go tlhaela ga metsi.

Le yone re tshwanetse go tshwaragana le Tona, re bone gore re dira jang gore seemo se re a se tokafatsa.

Kgaolo ya Pitseng ...(Inaudible)….


le tsone di santse di na le seemo se se ntseng jalo Mr Chairperson.

E e utlwisang botlhoko thata ke ya Pitseng ka gore Kgotla meeting mongwe le mongwe o ke o tsenang, go nna le potso ya gore metsi a tla leng.

Phetolo e ba e bonang ba tewa gotwe tender e mo tseleng; go ka nna dingwaga tse tharo go ntse gotwe tender e mo tseleng.
Jaanong o ka utlwa gore seemo sa Pitseng se ngomola pelo ka gore le tsela ga ba na nayo, jaanong le metsi fa ba sena one, e nna seemo se e leng gore ga gona ope yo o ka kgatlhegelang le go tla go ema fa go bone gore a ke tlhome semausunyana fa, le lona le tle le kgone go lala le itshetse metsi mo ganong.
Dilo tse ke tsone tse re tshwanetseng go di tsibogela Mr Chairperson, ka gore totatota jaaka ke ne ke bua kwa tshimologong, kgang ya metsi ke selo se se konokono mo botshelong jwa motho letsatsi le letsatsi.

Mr Chairperson, go na le seemo se sengwe se ke eletsang gore Tona a se lebelele.

Land boards tsa rona o kare ga di na ditlamelo sentle mo go re thuseng.
Ke gore 39 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply fela fa o kopa transfer fela o sa re ntshegelang lefatshe, o sa re ntireleng sepe fela, ke golo mo go kgonang go tsaya six months.
Mo bogompienong re bua jaana re leka go rotloetsa batho gore ba tsene mo temong le mo dilong tse di ba tshetsang, mme jaanong ba bo ba diiwa fela ke dikgang tsa gore fa gongwe tshwetso e e tshwanang le ya to transfer lefatshe fela, e tsaya nako e telele.

Rra Nkamo a ke go fe a second, through you Mr Chairperson MR MOATLHODI: On a point of clarification.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke a leboga thata Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tona.
Ke ne ke re kana re na le lenaneo le Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona a sa tswang go le bula la go tsaya metsi kwa Masama, a fetela ntlheng e ya Lobatse.

A metse e o e buang e ya batsadi ba rona, a ga e a amega?

Fa e le gore ga e a amega, ke eng le sa dire gore ka pompo ke e e ya kwa, le kope go sa le metsi jaana, ka jaana masepa a ntša a dubiwa a sa le metsi?

Good luck Honourable Minister.

MR GARE: Ke a leboga Honourable Moatlhodi.

Ee go boammaaruri pompo eo e teng e tshela metsi.


Fa e le gore o ne o gakologelwa sentle, Tona jaaka a ne a kile a supa gore e ya go tlisa metsi a a kana ka 64,000 litres mo Gaborone, mme a bo a sa lekane gotlhelele gore a ka fetela kwa metseng yotlhe.

Ke sone se gongwe o ntseng a sa tswa go tlhalosa gore ba dira projects tse dingwe tsa bo Lobatse tse re solofelang gore gongwe re ka bona sengwe mo go tsone.
Ke ne ke e bua ka mabaka a gore kana fa gongwe fa go nna seemo sa bo two weeks batho ba sa bone metsi, go tshwanetse gore go nne le se se ka dirwang, water be bowsed, batho ba kgone go a bona.

Jaanong fa ke tsamaela go fetsa Mr Chairperson, ke ne ke supa yone kgang ya gore go bonya mo kgannyeng ya ditlamelo tsa land board.

Mabaka a teng jaanong a felela a ama ditshwetso tse dingwe tse le tsone di neng di le botlhokwa mo matshelong a rona, bogolo jang a dikgwebo.
Re sa tswa go tswalela ditapole le maungo a mangwe gore re kgone go di itirela ka kwano.

Jaanong fa e le gore ga re kgone go bona lefatshe le metsi, gongwe maiteko a rona a go leka to empower bagwebi ba rona ka kwano a tlaa itaya se fololetse, re santse re diilwe ke go neelwa lefatshe kana go fetola tiriso ya lone.

Ke sone se ke neng ke kopa Tona gore a lebelele seemo se go leka go bona gore land boards tsa rona are resourced enough go kgona go dira ditiro tse re tshwanetseng re di dire.
Kgang ya servicing ya lefatshe, ke setse ke e buile Mr Chairperson, gore ke dingwe tsa tse ke dumelang gore re tshwanetse re di dire, re fefogele go neela batho ditsha ka gore fa o lebelela waiting lists tsa rona, di boela kwa morago ka bo 25 years.

Jaanong mme kana fa rotlhe re ka dumalana, motho mongwe le mongwe o tlhoka fa a ka bayang tlhogo teng, motho mongwe le mongwe o tlhoka setsha.
Jaanong ke sone se ke neng ke bua kwa tshimologong, ke supa gore re tshwanetse ra sekaseka go bona gore fa e le gore budget ya rona ya ngwaga le ngwaga, ga e re thuse gore re dire ka bonako, re dira jang, re tswa ka dikakanyo tse di ntseng jang tsa go leka to finance projects tse di ntseng jaana, gore re kgone go di fefosa, ka gore fa re ka ya ka gore re tlaa emela budget ya ngwaga le ngwaga, batho ba le bantsi ba tlaa felela e le gore ba re sia ka kwano le ditsha ba ise ba di bone.
Mr Chairperson, ke ne ke re ke e tswalele ka go supa gore jaaka ke ne ke bua kwa tshimologong, kgang ya metsi, lefatshe le kgopo ya metsi a a leswe, ke dilo tse e leng gore they directly influence dikgang tsa bo investment, gore bagwebi pelepele fela fa a batla go tla go beeletsa mo lefelong, o tlhola gore a dilo tse di teng.
Ke sone se ke gatelelang gore Tona a sekaseke, a bone gore go ka dirwa jang gore dilo tse di nne teng, ka gore go felela e le gore go kgobokanya batho mo Gaborone ka ke gone kwa go leng botokanyana kana kwa metseng e metona e e nang le ditlamelo tseo.

Re tshwanetse gore mme re bo re kgona go phatlalatsa ditlamelo tse gore bagwebi ba ye to settle kwa dikgaolong tsa rona, ba kgone go dira mebereko ba thuse setšhaba sa rona.

Ka a le kalo, ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.


MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Dikoloti followed by Honourable Saleshando.

MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (DR DIKOLOTI): Nte ke go leboge Modulasetilo.

Ke simolole ka gore ke ema nokeng kopo ya ga Tona Mzwinila.

Tona Mzwinila, ke go lebogele thata gape gore o bo o kgonne go dirisa madi selekanyo sa boferabongwe mo lesomeng a Development Budget.

Golo moo rra, ke phitlhelelo fela e tona.


Ke itumelela segolobogolo gore bontsi jwa phitlhelelo e, o ne o itirile motimola-lenyora, o netefatsa gore Batswana mo khutlong tse nne tsa lefatshe, metsi a a goroga kwa go bone, segolobogolo mo borwa jwa lefatshe le.

Re itumeletse thata rra, tshika ya Masama.


Ke gakologelwa fa ke simolola ke tsena mo Palamenteng e, ke go bolelela gore re a swa, re a nyelela ke lenyora kwa Mmathethe-Molapowabojang, mme wa ntsholofetsa gore nnyaa, mme Rre Dikoloti, dingwaga tse di lesome tsa lenyora, tse le ntseng le di bona kwa Mmathethe-Molapowabojang, e tlaa fetoga dingwaga tse di lesome tse di tlang, tse e tlaabong e le tsa tobucho wa metsi.
40 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply Mosepele wa gago o a bonala rra.

Go ne go se kgale, e ne e le maloba fela jaana, re simolodisa tshika ya metsi e e tswang kwa Ramonnedi e ya kwa Mmathethe, batho ba Mmathethe ba ne ba sa bolo go nna mo lenyoreng.

Ke raya lenyora le le mowa o neng o sa tlhole o tswa mo pompong.
Kana mme Tona, metsi ale a Ramonnedi go ya kwa Mmathethe, go lebega pipes di kabane kwa Mmathethe ka gore go ne go le lebaka tota metsi a sa tswe ka fale, metsi a felela ka fa tlase ga lefatshe.

Ke ne ke re fa o ka bona Thebenyana yo mongwe kana change-nyana tlhe, a re ye go bona moalo o gore re a o ntšhafatsa, mme e bile re o atolose, kana Mmathethe o godile le ene, gore kwa dijarateng tse di sha ka kwa, ba kgone go bona metsi ao.
Ke lebogela gape le tshika ya metsi e e isang kwa tankeng ele e e kwa Mogojogojo.

Kgosi Sebopo yo ke neng ke bua le ene kgantele, re re re tlaabo re go emetse rra, gore re tle to commission yone tanka eo ka gore re solofela gore le yone e tlaa timola lenyora thata mo kgaolong ya rona ya Mmathethe-Molapowabojang.
Ke solofela gore mo dikgannyeng tsa metsi rra, ka ke a bona gore o tshwere bobojane, o tshwere sepannere se setona tota, o kurufolola mathata fa ntse a le teng, o kurufela tse di siameng, ke dumela gore o tlaa kurufela le kwa Block 8 gore o tle ka moalo wa metsi.
Kana Molapowabojang le ene o godile, ke ne ke bua maloba gape gore kana ka kwa bo Kate ka fa le bone metsi ga a tle sentle, dijarata dingwe di tswa metsi, tse dingwe ga di tswe metsi, o reye bana ba gago ba se ka ba ipona tsapa, ba nne ba phatlalale le kgaolo ele yotlhe.

Kwa Lorwana ka fa morago ka sekole ka fale, Rre Mosalakatane o nna a omana fela gore tota o ipotsa gore ba dirile eng go bo metsi a sa bonale kwa go bone.
Ke dumela gore kgang eo fa re ka e ela tlhoko thata, e ka kgona gore e re tswele mosola.

Ke eletsa gore bobojane yo o mo tshwereng kwa metsing, ka fa o ntseng o le motimola-lenyora ka teng, a ko o tle ka jone kwa dikgannyeng tsa peo ditsha kana dikgang tsa lefatshe Tona Mzwinila.

Peo ya ditsha Tona ga e re beye sentle gotlhelele.

Fa e le kwa Molapowabojang, ke se se botlhoko, ga re kgone go gakologelwa le gore la bofelo go bewa ditsha ke leng.

Re tshwere bothata.
Re tshwere bothata.

Go na le kgang e nngwe ya bangwe kwa Molapowabojang kwa Phate, ya dikgang tsa lefatshe e e leng gore ga e fele, ba nna ba ntse ba bua le nna ka yone fela.

Ke solofela gore dikgang tse di batla gore di fefogelwe.
lebile kgaolo e le Mmathethe- Fa o Molapowabojang, kwa Mmathethe fela re na le ba ba emetseng go bewa ditsha ba ka tshwara 5158; ba kwa tshwana Molapowabojang ba ka tshwara 6985; fa o ya kwa Gasegwaga o na le batho ba ba emetseng go bewa ditsha ba ka tshwara 1327; Tswaaneng 1495; kwa Lejwana ke 3711; kwa Digawana ke 9672; Gathwane re tsamaya kwa go bo 5000; Mogojogojo ke bo over 4000.
Fa ke ntse ke bua le ba land board Tona, go na le kgang ke e, kana ke kgang kana ke motho, go na le motho ke yo gatwe Strategic Environmental Assessment (SEA), fela fa o re o a riana, o utlwa gotwe nnyaa, mme re dirile layout, go na le motho ke yo gatwe SEA yo, dilo ga di wele ka lebaka la gagwe.

Ke bone mo report ya gago o bua gore o buile le ba environment gore fa gongwe motho yo gotweng SEA yo, o bone gore o ka sutisiwa jang gore a ko re kgone go baya batho lefatshe.
Kana go nna le setsha go fa motho seriti, motho le ene o a ikutlwa gore ke motho, ke a tshela fa ke na le lefatshe.

Thulaganyo e Tona, fa e ka diragala jalo, ke dumela gore o tlaabo o re koleketse thata, o tlaabo o re thusitse thata kwa kgaolong ka gore banana ba setse ba tshaba go ya kwa gae ka gore kana kwa ke nnang teng, fa gongwe le fa o hirisitse, o fitlhela o itse gore mme gone o na le phuthologo.
Jaanong fa o ya gae, ga o itse gore o ya kae, mme ke dumela gore dithulaganyo tse le ka fa ke boneng ka teng, gore madi a mangwe o tlaa leka gore o tiise land boards, gore le tsone di nne le gore di kgone go nonofa, di kgone go baya.

Ke solofela gore thulaganyo e yotlhe fa e ka diragala e wela, re tlaa kgona gore kwa bofelelong Tona, re nne le lefatshe.
Kgang e nngwe yone ya lefatshe Tona, kwa bo Gasita fale, kana o fitlhela e le gore fa o na le morakanyana kgantele o nna le segotlonyana, mme re ne re tshwere bothata, re tswa kgakalanyana re sa sokole, re kgona gore Kgosi a re kwalele mokwalonyana gore nnyaa, mme segotlo se ke sa ga Kabalanyane, mme segotlo se ga e le sa ga Kabalanyane jaana, a bo a kgona go ya go kopa dipeonyana fa go Motlotlegi Gare fale, a kgone go ipeela temanyana, gore a je, mme a a ja, a bo a a ja le leruo la gagwe.
Re bona mme thulaganyo e e simolotse gore e se ka ya nna teng.

Tsweetswee e okomele Tona, ka gore kana fa re kgona go baya temanyana jaana e a re thusa.

E itsa botlhoki jo gore kamoso re bo re se batlhoki rotlhe, e fokotsa line kwa go mmaboipelego.
Tsweetswee kgang eo a re e ele tlhoko go bona gore re e dira jang kana re bereka jang, re tsentse le ba ba re lebeleletseng lefatshe mo go yone, gore kwa bofelelong Batswana ba kgone gore fa go tlhokafalang teng, ba ipeele temanyana e gore re kgone go ja, botshelo bo tswelele.

41 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply Kgang e nngwe Tona ke ya moalo wa metsi kwa gaMaila.
Go lebega go sa welelane sentle golo ka kwa Tona.

Ke ne ke re a ko e re fa o bone tshono, fa o araba, o tlhalose thata ka kgang ya kgopo ya metsi a a leswe kwa gaMaila, gore e tlaa tsamaya jang le ya go atolosa moalo.
Ba gaNgwaketse ba a ngunanguna Tona, go utlwala e le gore tota ga go na tharabololo ya dikgang tse sentle, ke nna ke ntse ke bua kgapetsakgapetsa le Modulasetilo Ramaphoi le Modulasetilo Chabalala, ba supa gore dikgang tse ga di welane sentle tota, Bangwaketse ba a ba botsa, mme e kare ga ba bone dikarabo tse di nitlameng tse di ka kgonang go re fa confidence eo ya gore mme dilo tse di tlaa wela.
Ke solofela gore le yone ya Kanye kana fa o ka nna o ntse o bona madi Tona, dira gore pipes tse ka gore ke lebaka re le lenyora, a ko di kgone go ntshiwa, re tsenye tse di ntšha re kabolole, Bangwaketse ba kgone go nwa metsi.

Ke tsaya gore fa re ka kabolola Bangwaketse ba kgona go nwa metsi, le kwa go ntseng go sena metsi teng, ke itse gore go botlhoko fa o ya ka kwa bo Diabo ka fale, fa o ntse o tsamaya ka kwa merakeng ka fale, go dingalonyana gore re kgone go bona metsi sentle.
Ke tlaabo ke setse tankanyana ke e baya ka fale, ke nna ke re ba Water Utilities ba ye go nna ba ntse ba tshelanyana gore batho ba kgone go nwa metsi, mme re dira ka ditshokolonyana.

Ke solofela gore fa moalo o ka baakanngwa, batho ba kgona go nwa, re tlaa kgona gore ba e leng gore ga go na moalo kana pipes tse di yang kwa go bone gotlhelele, kwa bofelong e tlaare fa re bone tankanyana e, re kgone go nna re ba tshelela.
Go ne go le botoka thata ka nako ya COVID Tona, le ne le kgona go tshela ditankanyana tse di kwa bo Gatuma tsele, tankanyana …(Inaudible)…e le kgona go nna le e tshela jaanong fa go nna o kare go a tokafala mo COVID, le feta fela ga le sa tlhole le tshela yone tanka eo.

Jaanong ba nna ba mpotsa gore ao, le tshela tanka e Dikoloti fela fa go le COVID, fa COVID e kare e nna botoka ga le sa tlhole le e tshela metsi.
Metsi e ne e se a go tlhapa diatla le gore re kgone go ipabalela, re ne re a tlhokela gore re kgone go nwa metsi a a phepha, re se ka ra nwa metsi a a mo matamong, ka gore o fitlhela fa metsi a seyo re sena option, fa a leng teng fela re leka gore re dirise ao.
Ke itse ke go tshepha rra, ke dumela gore o tshwere bobojane joo jwa metsi, ke dumela gore o tlaa re tla rra kwa Mmathethe- Molapowabojang, gore jaaka o solofeditse dingwaga tse lesome tse re mo go tsone tse, e nne dingwaga tse re tlaabong re na le tobutšho wa metsi.
O tlaa tsamaya ka yone bobojane e gape gore, e re mo dingwageng tse lesome tse re leng mo go tsone tse, re netefatse gore dikgang tsa kabo lefatshe le tsone di a diragadiwa, banana ba bona bonno, re bona lefatshe gore re ko re kgone go nna le seriti.

Dilo tse pedi tse di a tsamaelana.

Fa di ka dirwa tsotlhe tsa welelana, re tlaa kgona gore re bone botshelo jo bo duleng diatla.

Ke tsaya gore ke ne ke tshwere go le kalo Modulasetilo.
Ke ema nokeng Tshutiso e ya ga Tona Mzwinila, o tie rra, bobojane jo o bo tshware sentle.

Ke a itse gore le kwa bo Maun o ya go tsamaya ka jone o ya go baakanya dikgang tsa metsi gone koo.

O se ka wa kgobega marapo fa ba ntse ba tla ‘bo re a bua,’ ba bua tse ba di buang.

Size your nuts sentle gore o kgone gore o neele Batswana metsi, o timole lenyora rra.

Ke ema nokeng Tshutiso e ya gago e. Ke a leboga.

(MAUN WEST): Tanki MR SALESHANDO Modulasetilo.


Ke tlaa tsibogela puo ya ga Tona ka go bua dikgang tsa me at two levels; tsa constituency le tse di amang policy ka bophara.

A re simolole ka land boards; national level.

Tona Mzwinila, go na le nako e e neng lefatshe la Botswana le leka go busetsa kwa morago go tsenya sepolotiki mo lefatsheng, ka gore mafatshe a le mantsi, ditsamaiso tsa one di thakatlhakane ka go tsenya sepolotiki mo tsamaisong ya lefatshe.
O le Tona Mzwinila you will go down in history, gore o ne wa busetsa dipolotiki mo lefatsheng, wa tlatsa ma Domkrag ka land boards.

E le wena moDomkrag fela mo lefatsheng la Botswana yo o reng ga o itse gore leina le le tshwanang le Raditanka kwa Serowe, ke leina le le moDomkrag.

Le kwa Ngami, ke ka bua maina a mantsi a wena o reng ga o itse gore o ne o tsenya maDomkrag.
Itse fela gore this corruption e re e bonang kwa land boards e e tsamaisiwang ka sepolotiki, kwa o tlaa felelang teng mo botshelong jwa gago, nako nngwe o solofele gore o tlaa utlwa go kokotiwa mo lwapeng la gago o tlogetse tiro, o tlile go arabela tse di neng di diragala tsa tshenyetso-setšhaba ya lefatshe, ka gore it was under your watch.

E ne e le ka tetla ya gago go tsenya dipolotiki sa phathi ya Domkrag mo teng ga kabo ya lefatshe.
E re ntswa re amogela go abiwa ga ditsha kwa Maun mo go simolotseng, re saletse kwa morago.

Kwa Maun go santse go abelwa batho ba ba kopileng ka 2006, ke bone ba ba abelwang mo nakong ya gompieno.

Bangwe jaaka re itse, ba ya go abelwa unserviced land.
Ke le nosi kgang e ya unserviced land ga se gore ke dumalana le yone, ka gore population e e less than 3 million, e 42 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply bo Goromente a ema ka dinao a re ke turelwa ke go le tlhabololela lefatshe, lefatshe fela, that is a sign of a failed Government.

MR MOATLHODI: Clarification.

Ke a itumela Modulasetilo.

Ke a itumela ngwana wa ga nkgonne.


Kana ke ne ke eme ke le nosi ngwana wa ga nkgonne, o sa nkeme nokeng, ke sa dumalane le kgang e ya unserviced land.

Letsatsi leno ka o mpatile, ke dumalana le wena.

Let us do everything possible to ensure that people get serviced land.

Good luck Honourable Saleshando.

MR SALESHANDO: Ke a go leboga Rra Nkamo.

Mathata ke gore wena fa motho a dumalane le wena, o kgona go fetoga motlhofo.
Di dintsi tse re ka di buang tse o di fetogetseng, gore bagolo ba tshwanetswe ke bokae tsa dituelo tsa bone, o fetogile…(Interruptions)… HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SALESHANDO: …but anyway, back to the main issue.

Yes Rra Nkamo, ga ke dumalane le unserviced land mo population e e ka fa tlase ga 3 million.

Re ntse re le mo go tsa lefatshe, jaaka ke ne ke bua, corruption e nngwe e teng e ke e iponetseng.
Fa re utlwalela kwa Maun ka kgang ya lefatshe le wena Tona Mzwinila o nnileng le seabe mo go lone gore le ntshiwe ka lepotlapotla, gotwe go ya go agiwa lefelo le Tautona a ka neng a itapolosa teng le baeng ba gagwe, ke ne ka leka go tsena kwa land board ka tsena meetings le diofisi tsotlhe ke botsa gore gatwe go diragalang.

Sephiri se le neng le se dirile le leka go fitlha, go fitlhelela go tsena dipotso tsa Palamente, le lona le leka go itatola, you were very invasive in your answers.
Honourable Mzwinila, o foo ke fano, letsatsi lengwe o tlaa bidiwa o tšhaisitse, go tla go araba gore ditiro tse dingwe tse, di ne di diragala jang.

Re a e bona corruption e e diragalang.

the stroke of a pen.

Se Honourable Mzwinila fa o na le letswalo, se ka bo se go tlhaba mo bogompienong, gore a ke raya gore a ke ka latlha P305 million at the stroke of a pen ka a baseless allegation.
Gape dikompone tse pedi tse, le fa le ne le emisa le re e nngwe is a threat to the national security, e go neng gotwe is a threat to national security, I have it on very good authority gore bangwe ba kompone eo, ditshwantsho tsa bone di teng mo phuthegong e e neng e biditswe ke Mothusa Tautona go lebogiwa ba ba neng ba thusa Domkrag ka madi ka 2019.

Ba ne ba le teng, bone ba le latlhetseng P300 million kwa go bone.

I hope o dira dilo tse, o itse gore molato ga o bole, e tlaa tla nako Honourable Mzwinila.
Mo go e ya Maun, bothata jo bo leng teng ke gore re bo re bona gore sub-contracting, go fa ditiro Batswana ba ba nnyennyane gore le bone ba nne le seabe, ga go lebege go diragala ka tsela e re neng re solofetse ka yone.

Madi a ya go felela mo dikomponeng tse di tona tsa maChina tse di filweng ditiro.
Unrecognized settlements tse di sa fiweng metsi; tota ke kopa gore Puso e lebalebe selo se gape, ka gore mo mafelong a le mantsi a gotweng ke unrecognized settlements, didiba tsa bo Water Utilities Corporation (WUC) di teng.
Kana nna ke tsaya gore go tlhabisa ditlhong gore batho ba bo ba ntse ba bapile le sediba sa WUC, e pompa metsi e a isa kwa Maun, ba bo ba bolelelwa gore lona ba le bapileng le sediba, ga le ka ke la nwa metsi a a tswang fa tlase ga lona ka gore Puso ga tseye gore le teng, you are unrecognized.

Water is a basic right, go leka go dirisa metsi go koba batho fa ba leng teng, o ba raya o re ba fuduge, ga go tsamaelane le basic human rights.
Ka fa Puso ya ga Domkrag e timang batho metsi ka teng a le teng fa go bone, go tlhabisa ditlhong.

Fa re tsena mo go tsa metsi, again in the case of Maun, ke lebogela project e e diragalang… ka le tlwaetse, fa le sa lebogiwe e nna mathata, ya water and sanitation project.

Then again Honourable Mzwinila, you know gore this project was awarded ka P1.5 billion, la dirisa Directorate of Intelligence and Security (DIS) to cancel the tender, la e neela kompone e nngwe e yone e tsereng P1.8 billion.
The difference between P1.5 billion and P1.8 billion is P300 million.

So project e go na le P305 million to be specific yo o ka bong re sa mo duela, yo re yang go mo duela.

A bo o raya batho o re ga ke ka ke ka kgona to service lefatshe, to provide metsi le dilo tse dingwe mme ke kgona go latlha P300 million at Tourism land Honourable Mzwinila.

Tourism e hema ka mathombo, batho ba a tle ba rialo, e mo mathateng.
The pity is that le e le mo mathateng jaana, fa godimo ga yone e leka go tsoga, e palelwa ke go tsoga ka gore mo molaleng wa yone, go na le lengole la ga Honourable Mzwinila.

Dikompone tse di nang le leases that long expired, ga di kana ka sepe, ba tewa gotwe nnyaa, Rre Mzwinila o santse a lebeletse leases.

Bangwe ba na le more than five years, lease e fedile.
Fa o le mogwebi o sa šhafaletswe lease, o ne o akanya gore o ka renovate lodge, wa oketsa rooms wa hira batho, wa godisa madirelo, ga o ka ke wa dira jalo go fitlhelela o tewa gotwe lease ya gago e teng kana ga e yo.

Golo 43 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply mo go lebega go le itumedisa, ka gore go na le sengwe se le batlang go se dira, se se itsiweng ke lona fela ka leases tsa mafelo a ka bontsi.
Ba ba sa berekeng kwa Maun mo gompienong, babeeletsi ba sa godise lodges ka fa ba neng ba batla ka teng, ba tshwanetse ba itse gore ba kwa lwapeng, ga ba ka ke ba ya go theogela ka gore Honourable Mzwinila le phathi ya Domkrag, ba tsere tshwetso e ba e tsereng, e e kganelang bagwebi go godisa dikgwebo.

They are not working because of the BDP and Honourable Mzwinila.

My last point ke mo Pandamatenga-Gaborone water transfer.
Mr Chairperson, fa o ka reetsa fela Matona botlhe, mongwe le mongwe yo o nang le project e gotweng ke ya Public Private Partnership (PPP), o bua gore ke ya go hira motho gape o bidiwa gotwe Transaction Advisor.

How many Transaction Advisors are we going to have in one financial year, one Government?

Re ntse re itse gore there are organisations like the World Bank tse di kgonang go ntsha consultancy services not at the rate e re batlang madi a a ntshiwa ka yone for a plethora of consultants.
By the end of this coming financial year Mr Chairperson, Goromente wa ga Domkrag o tlaabo a duetse over P1 billion to Transaction Advisors.

Mo go P1 billion yo, go tlaabo go sena Motswana a le mongwefela.

O tlaabo o reeditse Matona a ga Domkrag ba ntse ba re, Economic Inclusion, re tlaa akanyetsa Batswana, re tlaa reng.

Go logilwe scheme, go na le ba ba yang go akola madi a. Mo ga boEconomic Inclusion ke gore Motswana a iteege tsebe a akanye gore Puso e a leka.
“Ke tshela ke utlwa ba bua ka Economic Inclusion mme ga re ka ke ra kgona.” Over a billion Pula this financial year e ya kwa go baitsaanape ba ba bidiwang Transaction Advisors.

Amongst those go tlaabo go sena le fa e le Motswana a le mongwefela.

Therefore, re a kopa, ga o tlhoke Transaction Advisor go bulela boreholes tse di kwa mafelong a a tshwanang le Phatshwa, Makgalo, Makgwelekgwele kwa kgaolong ya Maun ba ba bapileng le borehole tsa gago, mme le tsere tshwetso ya gore ga ba ka ke ba neelwa metsi.
Metsi ao a a ba rona, ba siame ba lala ba sa tlhapa.

Bulela metsi batho ba nwe.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

MR BALOPI (GABORONE NORTH): Ke a leboga Modulasetilo.

Ke go dumedise, ke bo ke dumedise batlotlegi.

Ke simolole ka go amogela pego e re e beilweng pele ke Tona Rre Mzwinila ya lephata la gagwe.

Ke supe gore ka fa a neng a bega ka teng, ke mo eme nokeng ka kopo ya gagwe.

Go lebilwe gore metsi ke botshelo, a tsamaisa botshelo jwa rona.
Ntle le mowa o re o hemang o o re tshetsang, metsi ke one a latelang go tsaya maemo a bobedi.

Fa go sena metsi, ga go na botshelo.

Ke sone se ke dumelang gore tlhwatlhwa e o e lopang gore o tswelele ka go re fa botshelo, ke dumalane le yone.

Tona, o supile ka bophara dikgang tsa lefatshe gore lephata la gago le ya go fefosa go abela batho lefatshe.

E bile ka April yo re tsenang mo go ene wa ngwaga o, go tlaabo go na le tsamaiso e e dirang gore Batswana e nne baungwelwa.
Lefatshe le ba nang le lone le ba tswele mosola ka go dira thulaganyo ya go ba neela tletla ya go nna mo go lone.

Kwa bofelelong go thuse go tsamaisa ditlhabololo motho a phuthologile, a sosologile.

A itse gore o ya go nna mo lefatsheng leo ka lebaka le le rileng, e bile e le la gagwe.

Gape go thusa Puso go itse gore batho ba fa kae, ba ba sale morago sentle mo go lefeng tse di tshwanetseng go lefiwa fa motho a dirisa lefatshe mo Botswana.
O buile gore le ya go ikamanya le ba ba ikemetseng ka nosi go bona gore le ka thusanya jang gore le nne le lefatshe le le Puso.

Batho ba ba ikemetseng ka nosi ba ba ka kgoreletsang tiego ya go nna le lefatshe mo Botswana, le tsene mo dipuisanyong.

Ke go lebogetse metsi le lefatshe Tona Rre Mzwinila.

Ke dumela gore e ne ya re fa o bolotsa letsholo la metsi a Masama a a tswang kwa Bokone jwa lefatshe a tla Borwa, o ne wa supa gore o itumetse thata gore metsi a gorogile gaufi le Gaborone North.
A tlaabo a tsena mo Greater Gaborone, metse e tshwana le Oodi jalojalo.

O remeletse thata gore jaaka o bona a gorogile jaana, banni ba Gaborone, segolobogolo ba Gaborone North Farms, ba tlaa ungwela gore a tsene mo go bone.

Moalo o tsene, ba akole botshelo jo ke buang ka jone.

Ke tsaya gore e tlaare fa re tsena mo Ditogamaanong tsa Bolesome le Bobedi jaaka re di lebile jaana, o se ke o lebale gore go tshwanetse go diragale jalo.

Ke batho ba ba itekileng thata.


O itse tlhokego ya lefatshe segolobogolo mo Botswana ka kakaretso.

Re lebile gore mo Gaborone e kwa godimo thata.

Ke kwa batho ba tlang teng ba tla go dira botshelo.

Fa ba tsena e nna e kete ke bomoeng o etetse mang ba sa bone lefatshe.

Ba fitlhela metseletsele ya batho ba ba emetseng go abelwa lefatshe e tswa kwa dingwageng tse di kwa moragonyana.

Ka jalo, fa ba iteka ba reka mo go ba ba ikemetseng ka nosi.
Ke tsaya gore lephata le a lemoga, e bile le a itse gore lefatshe ga le yo.

Le tshwanetse la itumela, le bo le ikitaya ka thupana 44 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply gore le kopane le ba ba iponetseng fa ba ka nnang teng.

O ka ba isetsa ditlamelo di tshwana le metsi, kgopo ya metsi a a leswe ka ke batsayakarolo mo itsholelong ya lefatshe la Botswana.
Ba emelela ba ya ditirong, ba nna mono gore ba ye go tsaya karolo mo go tsamaiseng Puso le lefatshe.

Ke dumela gore e tshwanetse e nne selo se se kwa godimo thata mo thulaganyong ya gago rraetsho.

O bona gore ba ba dirileng jalo, ke bua thatathata ka ba Gaborone North Farms, le ba thuse.

Le tsene gone foo ka ke batsayakarolo mo lefatsheng la Botswana, ba bone tse di ba lebanyeng.

a yo, a simolola kwa Gaborone North.


Gaborone North ke tsaya ke re gongwe a simolola teng ka gore pipes di tsena ka bokete mo toropong.

Ke kopa le rarabolole thulaganyo e ka gore nako le nako fa gotwe ga go na metsi, go a bo go simolotswe kwano.

Fa gotwe ga go na motlakase, go a bo go simolotswe mo Gaborone North.

Gongwe molato ke gore re mo kgorong.

Dilo tsotlhe tse di sa siamang, di tsena lantlha mo kgorong.

Fa di setse di le fa gare ga ntlo, di a bo di setse di fetile ka kgoro.
Mongwe le mongwe a itse gore go tsene eng kana ga go a tsena eng mo ntlong.

Tona, go na le tsamaiso e e teng, e o buileng ka yone ya dikgwebo tse di ikemetseng ka nosi di ikamanya le Puso, PPP models.

O setse o buile ka Glen Valley, e e leng gore ke mosupi, ke ne ke le teng, ke ile go bona.

Ke tsamaya le wena re na le baagi ba bangwe ba Gaborone North ba ba emetseng ditlhabololo jalojalo gore ba bone gore go diragala eng.

Go ne go na le monko o o masisi, ga o sa tlhole o utlwala.
Monko o o kwa godimo thata o o neng o kgoreletsa ledula la batho go nna mo Gaborone North, segolo jang Tsholofelo East, Tsholofelo West, go ya go tsena kwa Glen Valley le Phakalane tota.

O ne o kgoreletsa batho ba ba nnang foo ka gore tshosologo ya ledulo la motho, e tshwanetse e nne selo se se molemo.

Ke batla go go lebogela gore o ne wa supa lenaneo la go fedisa monko oo, e bile o supa gore le tlaa tswelela le dira gotlhe gore o fele.
O ntse o bua gore go na le thulaganyo e nngwe e le leng mo go yone, gore ba ba tlaa batlang go tsaya karolo, ka go tswalelwa ka March a fela, ba ye go tsena mo legatong la go arogana metsi a. O ne o bua gore monko o dirwa ke metsi fa a na le leswe le lengwe gape.

Re tsaya gore o ya go farologanya metsi a a kwa Glen Valley Sewerage, a dirisiwe ke motho.

Go nne le by-products kana masalela a thulaganyo ya to sieve metsi gore a dirisiwe ke motho go nowa.
Ke kopa tseo di tswelele di le teng kwa Glen Valley; by-products tsa teng.

Di tsene mo thulaganyong ya temothuo jaaka go setse go simolotse fale.

Batswana segolo jang banana, bomme ba ba itekang thata ba ye go tsaya karolo mo thulaganyong eo.

E nne a very highly integrated agricultural initiative.

E e kgonang gore e re ntswa go sielwa batho mme le dijwalo di ungwelwe ka manure le tse dingwe tse di tlaabong di tswa e le by- products.

Re lebogela thulaganyo eo Tona.


O bona gore private sector e tshwanetse e simolole go tsaya karolo thata mo go yeng kwa pele go dira thulaganyo e e ntseng jalo.

Ka jalo rraetsho, ke tsaya gore thulaganyo e bakaulengwe ba ntseng ba bua ka yone ya kabo ya lefatshe lotlhe ka bophara, e dirwe.

Motswana seriti sa gagwe ke bonno.

Go akanyetsa isago ya Motswana ke bonno.

Go akanyetsa dikokomane tsa rona ke bonno.


Fa o sena bonno, ga o ka ke wa kgona go akanya sentle gore isago ya gago o ya go e dira jang, e bile o le fa kae.

Fa o le mo toropong o dira, o nna mo ntlong ya ga Mmasepala.

O ya go nna o palelwa ke gore o tseye maleba a go bona gore fa tiro e wela mo Gaborone, o ya go dira jang fa o boela kwa gae ka gore go a bo go sena kwa o yang go nna teng.

Fa o na le bonno o ntse o le mo toropong mo, o felela o ithulaganya sentle gore fa o tswa fano o ya kae.
Dithulaganyo tse dingwe tsa gore bomme le ba ba tserweng ba nne le lefatshe, tse re buileng ka tsone thata Tona Rre Mzwinila, gore ba nne le lefatshe ntswa ba tserwe ka gore mo nakong e e fetileng, go ne go na le gone gore fa o tserwe o le mme, o tlaa nna le lefatshe ka gore o na le rre, o ka se ke o nne le lefatshe wena fela o le nosi o le mme yo o tserweng, thulaganyo eo e tswelele e dirwe gore botlhe ba kgone gore ba ungwelwe ba tseye karolo e le Batswana.
Ba se ka ba beelwa ka fa mosing ka gore fela ba tserwe.

Thulaganyo ya gore bontlha bongwe jwa ditshimo bo dirisediwe dikgwebo tse di farologanyeng fa bontlha jo bongwe bo dirisediwa temothuo… tshimo e e ka tswang e e neetswe gore e dirisiwe mo go yone, ke kopa gore le gone go dirwe ka bofefo jaaka maloba o ne o bua gore ba land boards ba a itse, e ka tswa e le boitseme.
Gongwe fa e le gore ga ba itse o tlaa tswelela ka go ba itaya ka thuphana gore ba felele ba tlhaloganya gore Batswana ba tshwanetse gore ba dire ditiro tse di ka ungwelang lefatshe le ka bofefo, mme ba ka di dira fela mo lefatsheng jaaka thulaganyo e ne e nnile teng.

Ke dumela gore e tlaare fa o ntse o ala metsi jaana Tona, o se ka wa lebala metsi a a tshwenyang segolobogolo jang ka ke lemogile gore mo Gaborone fa gotwe metsi ga Le banana rraetsho go ya kwa pele, Gaborone o tletse.
Fa Gaborone a tletse jaana, ke itumelela kgang e o neng o e bua ya go ikamanya le the private sector gore batho ba 45 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply simolole go nna ba dirisa ditshimo tsa bone le mafatshe a mangwe a a gaufi le Gaborone, metse e tshwana le bone bo Ramotswa le Kgatleng jaaka re setse re bona fa o tsena mo Oodi mo gore ke toropo, ke Phakalane o mongwe.
Go atolosiwe gore le Batswana ba bangwe ba se ka ba nna ba rekisetsa lefatshe la bone batho ba bangwe ka gore ga ba itse gore ba ka dira eng ka lone le le gaufi le toropo.

Ba fiwe ditshono, ba gakololwe gore ba ka dira jang ka lefatshe la bone e le Batswana ba sekei, gore e se ka ya re kwa bofelong re bo re iphitlhela re le lefatshe la Botswana mme re fetotse seemo sa rona ka fa Motswana a itseweng a lebega ka teng mo nakong e e tlang.
Ke a leboga e bile ke go eme nokeng Tona mo kopong ya gago, re tlaa tswelela re bua tse dingwe.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson, ke a leboga Tona.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you sir.

Honourable Dr Kwape.

…Silence... HONOURABLE MEMBER: O kwa Dubai.

MR CHAIRPERSON: O kwa Dubai?

Honourable Monnakgotla.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mma ke mo tseele ka re neighbours.

OF MINISTER LOCAL ASSISTANT GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MS MONNAKGOTLA): Thank you Mr Chairperson and good afternoon.
Mma ke go leboge go bo o mphile sebaka se gore le nna ke fetise megopolo e e tswang kwa Kgalagadi kgotsa ke re dithomo.

Ke ema nokeng Lephata la Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services ka gore le tshwere matshelo a batho jaaka re itse gore water is a basic need e bile setsha sa bodulo le sone se fa motho seriti.
Ka jalo Mr Chairperson, go botlhokwa gore re le Ntlo e ya Palamente, re dumalane le kopo ya ga Tona Mzwinila gore Batswana ba tle ba kgone go bona metsi ga mmogo le ditsha gore ba tle ba kgone go simolola go itirela matshelo.

Mr Chairperson, banana le bomme ka bontsi ba tlhokana le ditsha tsa bodulo ga mmogo le tsa go dira dikgwebo.
Ka jalo, ke dumela gore kopo ya lephata le e tlaa thusa gore banana le bomme ka bontsi ba kgone go fiwa ditsha tsa bonno le tsa kgwebo fela jalo gore ba tle ba kgone go tshetsa bana, le bone banana ba tle ba kgone go itshetsa.

46 Gompieno ke re Puso e phutholotse letsogo, bogolo jang mo metseng ya Rural Area Development Programme (RADP).

Mr Chairperson, go na le gore banana le bomme ba tlhokana le poultry.
Bana ba sekole ba fiwa mae, ke sone se o bonang ke re ba tlhokana le ditsha tsa dikgwebo gore ba kgone go dira dikgwebo tsa dikoko.

Ke re a Tona a lebelele dikopo tse tsa banana le bomme, bogolo jang fa ba batla go dira dikgwebo tseo ka gore gompieno bana ba sekole ba tlhokana le mae.

Mr Chairperson, mma ke lebogele project ya Ncojane- Hukuntsi water pipeline.
Le fa ke e lebogela jalo Tona, re le ba Kgalagadi North, re kopa gore a project e e tsenngwe leitlho, re le banni bone ba metse ya Matsheng, gore e fele ka bonako gore re tle re kgone go bona metsi, bogolo jang ka re le mo lenyoreng.

Ke re banni ba kgaolo ya Kgalagadi North, ke batho ba ba itshetsang ka go rua, mme ba na le kgwetlho ya metsi a leruo.

Ke a bona gore o lekile mo metsing a re tlaabong re a a nwa a project ya Ncojane-Hukuntsi, mme re santse re na le kgwetlho ya metsi a leruo.
Ka jalo, ke kopa Tona Mzwinila gore a lebelele seemo se gore a re thuse jaaka le itse gore re balemi-barui, re batla le go itshetsa le fetola matshelo a rona.

BMC e ntshitse letsogo gompieno tota, prices di botoka.

Le fa re re ga gona ditiro, re tlaa itirela ditiro ka lone leruo.

Maloba fa ke akgela mo Budget Speech, ke supile fa kgaolo ya rona ya Kgalagadi North e sena lefatshe la mafudiso a leruo.

Ke kopa Tona gore kgwetlho e le yone o e lebelele ka re batla go itirela ditiro Tona.
Mr Chairperson, kgaolo ya Kgalagadi North e tlhomamisitswe go nna planning area.

Jaaka ke supile maloba fa ke fetola Budget Speech, banni ba kgaolo ba nthomile go bua gore go dirisa private physical planners go a ba turela.

Ka jalo, ba kopa gore Hukuntsi Sub-Land Board e nne le badiredi ba Physical Planning gore e ba thuse, selo se se a ba kokonela.

Jaanong se tsenye leitlho... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MS MONNAKGOTLA: Ee rra, ke a mo neela Chair.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Motsamai.


MR MOTSAMAI: Ee mma, ke a leboga Motlotlegi Mma Monnakgotla.

Ke re mo kgannyeng e, kana o e bua fela o kare o a feta mme tota ke yone kgang e thatathata e tshwenyang.
Ga o bone go tlhokafala gore Rre Mzwinila e re ka nako nngwe a etele banni Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply ba kgaolo ya gago ya Kgalagadi a ye go bona jaaka ba sotlega ba gelelela leruo metsi ka dikoloi?

Jaaka e le dipodi le dikgomo, a ye go bona ka matlho tota gore a kgone tsaya action.

Ke a leboga.

MS MONNAKGOTLA: Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Motsamai.

Tona o tlaa tla jaaka o buile.


Ke solofela gore Tona o utlwile o tlaa tla ka gore ke letshwenyego le le tona fela jalo.

Batho ba Kgalagadi North ba nna ba ntse ba nthoma kgang e kwa go Tona.

Re buile ka metsi a batho, a leruo ke solofela gore Tona o tlaa tla go ba ikutlwela.
Lekgotla la kabo ditsha kwa Hukuntsi le a leka go diragatsa dikopo tsa ditsha, bogolo jang tsa bonno le masimo, mme gone ga go a lekana, bogolo jang mo metseng ya RADP jaaka re lebelela bo Ncaang, Manong le Ngwatle gore e santse e saletse kwa morago, e na le lesokolela, bogolo jang mo kabong ya masimo gammogo le ditsha tsa bonno.

Kwa metseng ya tengnnyanateng go santse go saletse kwa morago Tona.

A re tsenyeng leitlho ka gore dilo tse fa re ka di lebelela, gongwe di ka re thusa.
Go na le kgwetlho e nngwe Tona e ke batlang gore le le land board le e lebelele.

Re e lebelele ka matlho otlhe re le batlotlegi mo Ntlong e ka gore go na le gore e re fa o le motho wa mme, e bo e le gore o latlhegelwa ke rre kgotsa o le rre o bo o latlhegelwa ke mme, mme o ne o na le bana.
Gongwe o le motho wa mme kgotsa rre le agile le ne le na le bana, mme e bo e le gore mo khularong ya ga rre, yo mongwe e bo e le gore o ya go bona o a go nyala, kgotsa o le rre o bo o nyala gape, jaanong kana o tshwanetse gore o bo o tlogelela bana motse.

Fa o tlogelela bana motse ba santse ba le bannye Tona, mme e bo e le gore fa o re o ya go ikopela setsha go nna le bothata.
A e lebelelwe ka gore, tota jaanong fa e le gore o mme kana rre o latlhegetswe ke mokapelo, mme jaanong fa o nyala gape ga o a tshwanela gore e bo o tsenya yo mongwe gone koo, yo gongwe a ka tshwenyang bana.

Mme e bo o re o dira Setswana, o re o dira tlotlo gore, mma ke ye kwa land board jaanong to apply sesha, ke ye go simolola lelwapa le lesha.

E bo e le gore land board e a re o na le setsha.


Jaanong gone fa e bo e le gore o a re, tla ke tseye setsha se ke se tsenye kwa baneng, mme land board e bo e ntse e re nnyaa, ke dikgang tse dintsi tse re kopanang le tsone kwa dikgaolong.

A kgang e o e lebelele sentle Tona.

Go na le kgang e nngwe e tota e ntshwenyang, bogolo jang mo dikgaolong tse dingwe, kgaolo e tshwana le Thankane ka fa kgaolong e ya Jwaneng.
Kgaolo e banana ba teng gompieno jaana… kgaolo e tota e dikaganyeditswe ke dipolase, ga gona kwa ba ka bewang teng masimo le ditsha banana ba kamoso.

E lebelele Tona o e tseye mofago, o bone gore dikgang tse o di dira jang.

Ke re, le rona kwa Kgalagadi North, lebelela gore batho ba Kgalagadi North ba sa le ba eme Tona, ga ba na dipolase.

Ba re ke go botse gore o ya go ba segela leng dipolase ka o itse gore ke balemi barui ba popotla, ka e bile ba itse go rua le go tshwara kgomo le podi?
Dilo tse Tona di lebelele sentle.

Batho bale ba ikuetse, mme fela jalo ke ne ke tlisitse dikopo tse.

Ke re a lebelele gotlhe, golo gongwe re tlaa ya kwa pele.

Tse tsa metsi ke a di bona gore o a leka, mme e bile ke a go galaletsa le lephata la gago gore, tota le tshwere ka manontlhotlho, ka gore le bone fela jalo metsi a a tswang kwa north fela jalo, ba south ka kwano re tlile go felela re bona metsi, ka gore lephata la gago tota le tshwere ka thata.
Ga se gore o ntse fela golo foo, re bona maiteko a gago.

Fela jalo, ke re ba Kgalagadi North ba re ba emetse dipolase mo go wena.

O tla leng kwa go bone?

Ke jaaka Motlotlegi Motsamai a ne a re ba tla leng, o tla leng?

O tla leng le lephata la gago ka kwano?

Mma ke go leboge Chairperson, mma ke leboge Tona.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Minister.

Honourable Lesedi, Honourable Lesedi!

Honourable Mmolotsi.

MR MMOLOTSI (FRANCISTOWN SOUTH): Thank you very much Mr Chairperson.
Ke re le nna ke tseye nako e gore ke latlhele mo kgannyeng e ya Lands and Housing mme ke simolole fela ka go supa gore… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Lands and Housing?

MR MMOLOTSI: Hello!

MR CHAIRPERSON: Tswelela, Morolong, tswelela.

Ke ya ga Mzwinila.

MR MMOLOTSI: Ee, lephata la ga Rre Mzwinila.

Ke supe fela gore lephata le la ga Rre Mzwinila ke lephata le tota ke dumelang gore re le Palamente re tshwanelwa ke go ema ka dinao go le batlela le go le neela madi.
Ka lebaka la gore lephata le le tshwere matshelo a Batswana, ka gore sengwe sa dilo tse re itseng gore tota motho mongwe le mongwe o a se tlhoka ke kgang e ya bonno.

Kgang e ya bonno Mr Chairperson e tshwentse Batswana mo go gakgamatsang, mo re itseng gore go 47 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply tsaya Motswana dingwaga di ka nna masome a mabedi le boraro go neelwa setsha.
Fa gotwe ga a ema lebaka le leleele, go mo tsaya dingwaga tse di bo 23 gore a neelwe setsha kwa dikgaolong di tshwana le toropo ya Francistown.

Le kwa bo Tati Siding tota go setse go tsaya yone nako e teleletelele ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Jaanong ka tsela e e ntseng jalo Mr Chairperson, se se tshwenyang go gaisa sengwe le sengwe ke gore, batho apply for ditsha ba santse ba bereka.
Fa ba ikopetse ditsha ba santse ba bereka di a go tswa ba sa tlhole ba bereka, development covenant ya ga Tona e a re, fa o palelwa ke to develop setsha morago ga dingwaga tse pedi setsha se se a tsewa.
Jaanong o kgona go bona gore fa e le gore ditsha di a go tswa batho ba sa tlhole ba bereka, mme e le gore morago ga dingwaga tse pedi fa ba sa tlhabolola ditsha tse go raya gore di a tsewa, tota ga gona balance fa gare ga dikgang tse tsa ga Tona, ka go raya gore batho ba na le unfair deal e ba e neelwang ke lephata le.
Ke sone se ke neng ke eletsa gore Mr Chairperson, kgang e ya zero-based budgeting e Goromente a buang ka ga yone, fa go na le lephata lengwe that deserves zero- based budgeting ke la ga Tona, gore tota re itebaganye le go bona matlhoko kana letlhoko la setšhaba la ditsha le kae.

E bo e le gore fa re dira budget jaana re itse gore re leka go ntsha madi a a tsamaelanang le go lekana le letlhoko le, gore re kgone go thusa Batswana, ba kgone go nna le bonno.
Mr Chairperson, ke setse ke kile ka bua ka kgang ya gore, because go tsaya lebaka le leleele gore batho ba neelwe ditsha, re bona batho ba le bantsi ba tlhokafala ba tlogela bana ba bone mo nageng ka lebaka la gore ba tlhokafala ba sa neelwa ditsha.

Ke ne ka tsenya Tshutiso mo Palamenteng ya bolesome, e ke neng ke kopa Goromente gore, a re dire gore fa motho a tlhokafala a ne a ikopetse setsha, setsha se bana should go and claim it kwa estate ya gagwe.

Palamente e ne ya dumalana le nna.


Ya re fa re baakanya Land Policy, Tona Rre Maele ka nako ya teng a tlhalosa gore, kana fa re ka dira jalo jaanong we will be legislating, mme e le gore molao o re o dira ka lebaka la gore re le Goromente gongwe we are inefficient mo go abeng ditsha.

Jaanong a tlhalosa gore, mme ga re ka ke ra raya policy ra rialo.
Se re tlaa se dirang ke gore re le Goromente re leke go itlola, go bona gore tota re kgaola nako e Batswana ba emelang ditsha ka yone, gore bontsi jwa bone ba se ka ba tlhokafala ba emetse ditsha.

Go a itshupa Tona gore golo mo go padile, ka gore ga go a tlhabologa sepe, e bile fa e le sengwe, kabo ya ditsha e nyafetse go gaisa.
Ke sone se e leng gore Mr Chairperson, kgang ya me e mo go reng Tona tota fa re batla gore Batswana ba nne le bonno, re tshwanelwa ke go ema ka dinao go bona gore lephata le le neelwa madi fela a a ka lekang go fokotsa selo se.

Sengwe sa dilo tse re setseng re buisane ka tsone gone mo Palamenteng e e ne e le kgang ya batho ba ba neng ba nyalane kana e le couples.
Re a itse gore policy ya pele e ne e supa gore fa motho a nyetswe kana a nyetse, fa mongwe wa bone a ka nna le setsha yo mongwe does not qualify go nna le setsha.

Re buile kgang e ra e dumalana gore, nnyaa, mme jaanong golo mo go bolawe, ga bolawa gore partner mongwe le mongwe o ka iponela setsha sa gagwe.

O tlaa tsaya ditshwanelo tsa gagwe tsa go neelwa setsha.

Jaanong mo go tshwenyang ke gore, Goromente kana o ne a setse a iditse batho ba le bantsi ditsha ka lebaka leo.
Jaanong go bo go raya couples ka bontsi di ne tsa felela e le gore fa monna a filwe setsha e nna setshanyana seo fela ka mosadi o ne a sa letlelelwe.

Jaanong go raya gore ka mosadi has forfeited kana wa rre has forfeited, go ne go nna bokete ka gore le mo nakong ya gompieno batho bao ga ba na ditsha.

Go itshupa fa go setse go kgaoganwa.


Fa divorces di nna teng mongwe wa bone o boela kwa go mmaagwe e setse e le mosadimogolo kana monnamogolo, a ya go simolola go ipopa kana go ipaakanya gore o ka nna le bonno ka tsela e e ntseng jang, ka dingwaga tse a bong a setse a godile ka tsone.
Ke sone se e leng gore nngwe ya Ditshutiso tse ke nang le tsone mo pampiring ya Labotlhano mongwe le mongwe, ke Tshutiso ya gore, a lephata la gago Tona le bone gore can it not create a special window e e leng gore batho ba ba neng ba se ka ba kgona go nna le ditsha ka mabaka a lenyalo, ba direlwe a special window e ba ka abelwang ditsha, go na le gore ba ye go fola line kwa morago, ka gore fa re lebile gore ba bangwe ba bone ba setse ba godile, ke belaela gore go tlaa pala gore ba felele ba bone ditsha tseo.
Kgang e ya home ownership Tona, ke batla gore e nne e re e emelang ka dinao; kgang e ya ditsha re tshwanetse go e emela ka dinao.

Ke buile le bo Tona ba bo infrastructure, ka kgang ya go nna le bonno, e tota Batswana ba tshwenyegileng ka yone.

Jaaka gompieno re itse gore go ne ga nna le moratorium wa gore go emisiwe go rekisa pool houses, e e dirang gore Batswana ba se ka ba nna le bonno ka lebaka la gore ditsha di pala go tswa.
Jaanong le gone gore ba reke pool houses tse ba sa bolong go nna mo go tsone dingwaga, go a pala ka gore Goromente o ne a emisa thulaganyo eo.

Re buile, ke kgang e ke sa tlhaloganyeng gore e tsamaya fa kae.

48 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply Home ownership kana ga re ka ke ra baya mo go reng Tona o ntshe ditsha fela, go raya gore le maphata a mangwe a a rekisang matlo, a bone gore a a rekwa.
Re buile ka thekiso ya flats tsa Botswana Housing Corporation (BHC) tse e leng gore because of the sectional law title e e padisang gore batho ba reke flats tse di tshwanang le tsa kwa Sweets jalo le tse dingwe.

Batswana ba ba ka bong ba nna le bonno ka lebaka la gore Tona ga a kgone gore a ba neele ditsha because of budget, ga ba kgone go bona matlo ka molao o Palamente e palelwang ke go o baakanya.

Tona o palelwa ke gore a tle ka paakanyo e, re baakanye gore Batswana ba nne le bonno.
Kgang ya home ownership Minister, re tshwanelwa ke go e emela ka dinao.

Ke sone se o tshwanelwang ke go bona gore o buisana le Matona a a tsamaelanang le mandate wa gago wa gore batho ba nne le bonno.

Fa e le gore go na le sengwe se ba sa se direng sentle jaaka ba Infrastructure, Presidential Affairs, go ya go felela le kwa DPSM, re tshwanelwa ke go ema ka dinao go bona gore ope yo o dirang gore kgang e ya home ownership e diege kana e pale, go buiwe le ene.
Kgang e ya gore batho ba reke flats e wele, moratorium wa pool houses be lifted le yone e wele gore e tle e re fa o sa kgone go neela batho ditsha Tona, ba kgone gore jaanong ba nne le tshono ya go reka flats le go neelwa matlo.

Se sengwe Tona se ke batlang go wela ka sone ke go kopa gore a lephata le la gago le lebelele thata le kwa land boards gore a di dira tiro sentle.
Gompieno go na le dikgang tse di gakgamatsang tsa masimo a o fitlhelang e le gore e ne e le a bo semangmang, mme a felela a abetswe batho o sa itse gore a abilwe ka tsela e e tseng jang.

E re go tsweng foo batho ba masimo a bone a tsewang ba sa itse, fa gongwe e le batho ba batona ba sa itsholela, go a pala gore ba felele ba a bone, land board e a abile.

Ba palelwa ke go itsheka ka gore go felela go tura mme e le gore land board e abile masimo fa godimo ga yo mongwe.
Dilo tse Tona o di lebelele thata ka ke tsaya gore ke gone fa corruption e simololang teng fa e le gore batho ba ka tlhatlaganngwa mo masimong a le mangwefela mme e le land board e neng e beile motho wa ntlha, e bo e tla e baya yo mongwe fa godimo.

Go tswa foo ditsheko di bo di simologa di nna tse di gakgamatsang; fa gongwe yo o fenyang ke yo o nang le madi, yo o ka kgonang go hira diagente tse di mmuelelang.

Golo mo Tona re tshwanelwa ke gore re go emele ka dinao.
Gape ke kope kwa bofelong Tona gore kgang e ya development covenant ya two years, e nne nngwe ya dikgang tse re di lebelelang go leka gore re di oketse.

Ke a itse gore gone ga le setlhogo thata mo go reng fa e wela two years, le bo le raya motho le re re tsere setsha sa gago, le rerisana le ene.

A re e direng ka tsamaiso fela gore re e oketse ka lebaka la gore re a lemoga gore go tsaya lebaka le leleele go neela batho ditsha.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

OF TRANSPORT AND MINISTER COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): Ke a leboga Modulasetilo.

Nte fela ke simolole ka go amogela pego ya ga Tona, mme e bile ke mo reye ke re ke mo eme nokeng mo kopong ya gagwe.

Sa ntlha gape ke batla gore ke akgole, ke leboge Tona ka fa a dirileng ka bonatla ka teng mo projects tsa gagwe tsa gore a phatlalatse metsi mo lefatsheng leno.
Go a itshupa tota gore ka fa ba dirileng ka teng le tiriso ya bone ya madi a Development Budget le go fitlhelela ba kopa le a mangwe, ba ne ba tshwere ka thata ba dira ka bonatla.

Ke kopa gore go tswelele go nne jalo.

Tota e bile o hemile seemo se se ka bong se ne sa tsala mo ke bonang e le a national crisis ya letlhoko la metsi fela mo metseng e mentsi thata mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Bonatla le botswerere jwa a dirileng ka jone, o rekile nako; he has bought time.
Ke santse ke mo kopa gore a semelele a itse gore re lefatshe le le sekwakwa, le e leng gore metsi tota ke a continuous challenge.

So e re a wetsa ditiro jaaka a di wetsa jaana, a tsepame a dire dithulaganyo tsa gore re ya go a bona kae.

E bile ke lebogele le ka fa a neng a lekodisa ka teng, gongwe metsi a re ka a bonang a tlhatswiwa a lewatle go tswa kwa Namibia jaana, a a fefose dinao.

Mo go tsa lefatshe Tona, tota fela matshwenyego a setse a builwe ke Mapalamente a mangwe.
Lengwe la matshwenyego a matona a ke nang nao ke gore lefatshe le lentsi la bonno la masimo, jaanong le tswa mo diatleng tsa Batswana le fetela mo go tsa batswakwa ka ntata ya gore ba tshotse itsholelo e e ba letlang go reka lefatshe mme rona kana re aba lefatshe re sa lope tuelo mo go lone.
Tota go a bonafala gore ka fa re tsamaisang ka teng, gongwe it is not sustainable ka gore we create a demand e tona thata ya lefatshe, e e leng gore golo gongwe fa re ka tswelela jaana, re ya go iphitlhela re le mo mathateng.

Tona, ke bona go le botlhokwa gore ke itebaganye le dikgwetlho le dikatlego tse re di fitlheletseng ke lebagane le kgaolo e ke e emetseng ya Tlokweng.

Ke batla ke simolole jaana fela ke bue gore kana Tlokweng ke kgaolo e potlana fa o e tsaya ka lefatshe la yone.
E bile fa go agegileng teng, go agilwe motse o dikagenyeditswe ke 49 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply o kare dinoka tse tharo; o ya Notwane kwa bophirima, o ya Sefhoke kwa borwa go tsamaela borwa botlhaba, o ya Maratadiba kwa bokone le bokone botlhaba.

Ga bo go nna le molelwane wa Afrika Borwa, o le one o re pitlagantseng.
Ke buisiwa se ka gore fa go na le fa re tshwanetseng gore re tsepame, re bone gore re dira bojotlhe in our planning go tlhomamisa tiriso e e lolameng, e e rileng ya lefatshe, e gone mo kgaolong ya me ya Tlokweng.

Rraetsho, ke lebogela gore e bo jaanong o kgonne to approve the Tlokweng Development Plan.

Ke selo se se intumedisang ka lebaka la gore se ya go re fa tshono ya gore jaanong re tle re kgone gore dingwe tsone, di dirwe.
O e umakile, e tlaa re fa plots gongwe tse di ka tsamaelanang tse di fetang 5,000 gone foo, kana ba ba ikopelang ditsha koo gone ba tsamaya kwa go 55,000.

O kgona go bona kgwetlho e ke buang ka yone.

Mo plan ya gago rra e o e amogetseng, ke itumelela gore mo go yone tota go na le dintlha tse di itebagantseng le dikarolo tsa lefatshe.
Fa o lebagana le tsa bonno, mo teng kana jaanong go raya gore approval e raya gore re ka tswelela ka se gotweng go aga mo mafelong a a supileng gore re ka dira high density certification ya one; a mangwe a le moderate, a mangwe a le fa tlase.

E bile dikago tsa matlhatlaganyane di fitlhelela kwa go three stories; ke ne ke re ke batla lefoko la Setswana sentle foo.
Selo se ke bona gore se tlaa thusa thata gore ba ba nang le lefatshe gompieno, ba kgone go oketsa bonno jo bo teng, re se ka ra golela ka go atologa ka tiriso ya lefatshe, re golele fa godimo.

E re plots tse re tlaa di bonang tse 5,000 tse, mme gone re bo re ntse re kgona gore ka go golela godimo, re oketsa bonno, re sa tseye lefatshe le lengwe.
Ke lebogela thata gore go re kgontsha gore re tswelele ka dikabo tsa lefatshe mme e bile re setse jaanong re na le fa re itseng gore re tlaa berekela teng sentle, re aga se gotweng Central Business District (CBD) gore Tlokweng a tle jaanong a kgone go tsaya seemo le bolebego fela jwa toropo e tshwana le Gaborone.
E bile ke ka tlhalosa fela jalo gore ke itumeletse gore mo National Spatial Plan (NSP) gone, in the regional planning, le bone gore tota Tlokweng, Mogoditshane le Gaborone, di setse di kopane le gore di tlhoka gore fa go dirwa plan, di bo di sekasekwa, di lebilwe ka tsela e e tshwanang, mme re ntse re itse gore re na le ka fa re nang le our own identities ka teng kana ka fa re ka bong re na le characteristics tse di farologanang.
Selo seo se botlhokwa rraetsho ka gore se re thusa gore re tswelele re kitlane, re tshwaragane re le motse, mme re itse gore re karolo ya yone this DMT.

Se ke batlang gore gape ke se itumelele ke gore e re go tseyeng lefatshe le le neng le tlhoka gore le oketse go dira dilo tsotlhe tsa ditlhabololo; residential, commercial le industrial, go nnile le lefatshe le le kgonneng gore mo plan, le le supe, le le tlaa re fang horticulture plots tse 100 of 3 hectares sizes.
Tota fela mo Tlokweng, go na le balemi-barui ba ba santseng ba kgatlhegela thata gore ba tsene mo golong mo.

Jaanong ke solofela gore kabo ya ditsha tse, e tlaa ba thusa gore ba fitlhelele ditoro tsa bone tsa go nna le plots tsa horticulture, mme re santse re babaletse le one mafelo a masimo a rona re sale re tswa bogologolo re agile ...(Inaudible)… fences, tse di kgaoganyang mafelo a mahudiso le masimo.

Ka gone fela gore re nne le tsamaiso e e babalelang tiriso ya lefatshe.
Rraetsho, nte ke tswe mo go tsa lefatshe, ke se ka ka remelela fela mo go tsone.

Legale ke supe gore ke itumeletse gape gore kwa Letlapeng le ne la dira that minimal land servicing, mme kana selelo se se tona ka gore batho ba agile, ba bantsi, ba tlhoka metsi, go tlhoka gore go atolosiwe, go tsenngwe metsi gone koo.
Ke ka yone tsela e ke kopang gore rra, a e re plan e e tlang e jaanong, go lebiwe ka botlalo gore ba fiwa metsi segolobogolo, mme le tsone tse di sha tse re tlaabong re di aga ka fa tlase ga plan, go tlaa tlhoka gore di bo di fiwa metsi, servicing eo ya metsi ka gore kana motho fa a fiwa plot, o setse a fefogela go aga.

Ba fefogela go aga, mme letlhoko la metsi e bo e nna kgwetlho e tona thata mo motseng.

Go na le mafelo a a neng a se ka a fitlhelelwa ke go tsenngwa kgopo ya metsi a a leswe.
A le one ke eletsang gore e tle e re fa re bua ka National Development Plan (NDP) 12, le one a tsenngwe fela jaaka ke dira dikopo tsa metsi, gore a atolosiwe.

Ke tsaya gore ke dikgang tse re ntseng re di bua, ke go tlhalosetsa seemo se fa ke bona sebaka, re kopane fela gore tota seemo se ntse jang.
Modulasetilo, e re ke ya go wetsa fela ke rialo ke re, Tona, ke go eme nokeng, ke dumela gore o dire ka natla, o tshware thata, e tle e re mo isagong, re feme seemo se go ka nnang le tlhaelo ya metsi mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Ke bona e bile o ka tlhoka go okelediwa madi, go lwantsha kgwetlho e tona e e kanakana ya lone letlhoko la metsi.

Ke a leboga Modulasetilo.


50 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply ASSISTANT MINISTER OF TERTIARY EDUCATION, RESEARCH, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (MR LESASO): Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Mma ke leboge gore o mphile nako e gore le nna ke akgele mo kopong ya madi a a kopilweng ke ba lefatshe le metsi.
Mr Chairperson, ke tshwanetse gore ke simolole ka go akgola Tona, gore tota ka teko le maikaelelo a a kanakana, o lekile gore in terms of bulk supply ya metsi mo lefatsheng la Botswana, a a atolose gore a kgone go goroga kwa bathong jaaka ba a tlhoka.

Metsi a re itseng gore a a tlhokwa mo lefatsheng lotlhe ka bophara, mme mo lefatsheng le re dirile maiteko a a kanakana gore re kgone go aga matamo, re tsenye pipes tse di isang metsi kwa borwa go tswa kwa bokone.
O ntse a re bolelela ka fa a tsweletseng ka go atolosa metsi mo lefatsheng la Botswana, re go akgolela tiro e ntle e o e dirang e Tona.

E re fa go ntse go tsweletse go ntse jalo, ke tshwanetse gore ke gakolole ka dilo dingwe tse di botlhokwa, gore jaaka le tlaabo le kgona gore le bo le atolositse metsi jalo, one a le a thothang ka bontsi, jaanong a re itebaganye le a re ka a gasang mo metseng, re bone pipes jaaka o itse Tona, di setse di tsofetse.
Ke a itse gore pipes tsa metse e megolwane e e tshwanang le bo Kanye, Molepolole, bo kae, o di fitlhetse di ntse di tsofetse.

Ke re jaanong o simolole go itebaganya le paakanyo ya tsone, gore metsi a se ka a tshologa ka gore a felela mo mmung a le mantsi.

Re gakolole gone foo Tona.

E nne yone kgwetlho e re tshwanetseng go itebaganya le yone mo nakong e e tlang.

Se sengwe se ke ka se kopang Tona ke gore re tshwanetse go lemoga gore malatsi a gompieno dilo di fetogile.
Re tshwanetse to integrate innovation, technology and science mo water management, gore re bone gore technology, science and innovation is part of our water supply management system e e teng.

E ka thusa ka to facilitate efficiency and effectiveness ya to manage metsi and le gore le rona ba decision making jaaka o tlaabo o re kopa, re kgone go bona, o re fa facts tsa gore go diragala eng mo lefatsheng, e le yone innovation.
Gape le policy development ya rona can be guided ke yone innovation and research jaaka re tlaabo re kopa gore gongwe o ka integrate in your ministry part of research and development gore dilo tse re kgone go di itse re na le facts ka tsone and some of these things di kgona to benefit le yone economy and environment.
Jaaka re bua ka dilo re bona gore malatsi a gompieno, issues tsa climate change, pollution and different types of treatments tse re di tlhokang mo lefatsheng, tsa to treat metsi jaaka a tlaabo a na le all the challenges.
Gompieno jaana, re ikaelela go tsena mo temong e e tseneletseng, mme kana e tlaabo e tlhoka chemicals, dilo tse dintsintsi and in the process, that will affect the water quality and fa e le gore ga re a ipaakanyetsa technology, research and treatments tse di tlhokafalang, re ya go fitlhela e le gore re sentse se re neng re re re a se baaakanya.

Tona, dilo tse o tshwanetse go di lebelela, o bone gore gongwe o ka netla.

Selo se sengwe se o tshwanetseng gore o se lebelele ke environment.
E ke neng ke batla go go raya ke re ke conservation of water.

A re se ka ra lebelela fela gore re le department kana organisation, re dira madi.

Re tshwanetse go lebelela gore le one metsi a re a dirang a, re a dira ka boturu.

Fa o fitlhela motho bill ya gagwe e ntse e oketsega, mme e sa tlwaelesega ka le ne le ntse le mo direla bill, lebelelang le leke go mo thusa.

Le nne le an element of advice, le thuse Batswana gore ba se ka ba ne ba fitlhela e le gore ba duetse bills tse ba sa di kgoneng.
Le thuse gore kana rra, bill ya gago ke e e a oketsega.

Last month o ne o ntse o duela P400, gompieno ke P4000, leka gore o tlhole pipes tsa gago mo teng.

This is some way e re ka thusang, gape le go boloka le one metsi a a seyong.

Ga go thuse sepe gore re epe metsi a a kanakana, re a tsaya kwa bo Masama, e bo e le gore a ya go tshologa, mme re lebile gore re a bill, mme go sena ka fa e leng gore re ka a boloka (save) ka teng.
A e nne nngwe ya dilo tse e leng gore we can integrate in our system especially a component ya water conservation, e go tlaa emiwang ka dinao go bolokiwa metsi Tona.

Ke ne ke re ke go akgole Tona ka fa lefatsheng gore kwa Shoshong, ke itse fa e le gore plots di le 2480 mo kgaolong yotlhe ya Shoshong, re di solofetse mo ngwageng one o le o o tlang, tse o ikaelelang go di baya mo kgaolong ya rona.
Mo ke maiteko a mantle a o a dirang Tona, bogolo jang thata gore gompieno kwa Shoshong, re solofetse mo ngwageng one o le o o tlang about 967 plots tse o ka di bayang le mo dikgaolong tsa bo Kodibeleng le Mosolotshane fela jalo.

Tona, ke a go leboga gore o bo o reetsa dilelo tsa rona mo kgaolong ya rona.

Gape ka fa metsing Tona, re a kopa, o ne o oketsa treatment plant ya Mahalapye maloba.
Re na le metse e e tshwanang le bo Kodibeleng, Mosolotshane, Moralane le Ikongwe, e metsi a teng a sa siamang a nang le golo gatwe fluoride.

Fluoride e ke buile ka yone Tona, e senyetsa batho ba rona, makgarejwana a rona a a golang a a ka bong a ka bonwa ke batho, ba senyega meno le marapo, a senya le botsogo.
Kana fa 51 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply o lebelela fluoride, ke nngwe ya dilo tse e leng gore fa e nna ntsi mo metsing, le fa e le ka mokgwa mongwe o o lekaneng, gompieno e tseneletse thata, ke ne ke kopa gore o atolose metsi a a tswang kwa Mahalapye a, a tle mo Shoshong, o bo o a atolosetsa kwa Mosolotshane, Ikongwe le Kodibeleng.
Le bone ba kgone go utlwa metsi a a tswang kwa dinokeng tsele tsa bo Molebatsi, a a tswang kwa bo Shashe, tse di kwa kgakalakgakala tsele, le rona re a utlwe metsi a a monatenate ao.

Re se ka ra nna re e nwa metsi a a letswai.

Re a go kopa Tona, re reetse, re mo dilelong.

Re na le dikole tse ditona kwa Shoshong.

Gompieno jaana la re le ya go re tsenyetsa an integrated school kwa Shoshong, go raya gore re ya go nna le senior secondary schools tse pedi.

Di tlhoka metsi a gompieno a tlhaelang.


Se se nnang se re tshwenya ke bill ya metsi Tona.

Sekole sa Shoshong is always billed metsi fela a a kanang ka bo P1.3 million ka kgwedi, mme fa gongwe re bowser.

Ke ipotsa gore gatwe go diragala eng, golo mo o go sekaseke, o bone gore a mme tota ga se gore go na le phosego e e diragalang golo gongwe kana tshenyo e e sa tsamayang sentle.

Ke dilo tse re tshwanetseng gore re di lebelele Tona, re bone gore a mme re ka se ke re di baakanye.
Mo kgaolong ya Dibete le Poloka, ke na le tsholofelo Tona gore this North-South Carrier (NSC) 2.2 fa e tswelela, go nne le treatment plant e e tlaa fang metse eo metsi.

Gongwe ke kopele le metse ya Mookane le Mmaphashalala ka fa go Boko ka fale, gore ba sielwe.

Dibete re tlhoka metsi Tona, mo e leng gore gompieno ke kopile boeteledipele jwa gago mo kgaolong gore ba kopane, ba ye go bolelela Kgosi le Mokhanselara.
Ke ka bo ke na le bone gompieno, ke ne ka pateletswa go tla kwano ke potso ya ga Rre Boko, ka gore o ne a ntshwere a re ke tle go e araba.

Ke ka bo ke le kwa gompieno, ke ye go botsa gore ba re tota mathata a Dibete ke eng, ba sa ba siele metsi fela sentle.

Le ba Poloka ba tlhoka metsi, ba nna ba tlhaelelwa ke metsi.

Mme kana go na le dikole, police station e tona, clinic le batho ba ba tlhokang metsi nako le nako.

Fa a ntse a tlhaela, e tloga e nna mathata.


Tona, ke dilo tse o tshwanetseng gore o di lebe.

Kopo ya me ya bofelo ke gore o na le kgwetlho Tona, metse e mennyenyane e o neng o e tsaya mo dikhanseleng, ga ke itse gore jaaka re tlaabo re atolosa gore dikhansele di boele di ikemele ka nosi, re ne re ka se ke re go kope gore o kope balekana ba gago ba o nang le bone gore, metsana e e tshwanang Mokgenene, Poloka, Moralane le Otse, ga se gore gongwe e boele mo khanseleng.
E kgone go thusa batho ba ka fa ba neng ba itse ba ba thusa ka metsi ka teng.

Gompieno o kare go nna bokete gore o atolose thuso ya metsi mo metseng e mennyennyane, ka gore ka fa o tshwanetse gore o dire sengwenyana se se ka go tlisetsang gore o tsweledise to run Water Utilities Corporation (WUC) o le Tona.

Ke nngwe ya dilo tse ke kopang gore o di lebe.

Golo mo gongwe mo ke eletsang gore gongwe o ka go sekaseka Tona, ke gore go nne le water authority e e ka kgaoganyang the water sector into regions.
Region nngwe le nngwe e nne le water authority ya yone kana water supply board, which will be independent from each other, mme go na le an oversight authority gore re kgone go nna le efficiency of supplying metsi mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Ke nngwe ya dilo tse ke ka akgelang mo go tsone.

Gape gongwe le ka baya a system ya water treatment, e le ka kgonang to train Batswana gore ba ithute to treat bottled water a a tlhaelang mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
Ke sengwe se se ka thusang gore Batswana, ba kgone go ithuta ka systems tsa reverse osmosis and different treatment systems tse di teng, ba kgone go itse to treat metsi.

Mongwe a tswe fa a ye to treat metsi kwa Tsabong, a a rekisiwang ka mabotlele.

Ke nngwe ya initiatives tse le ka di dirang gore le thuse batho, mme training eo e nna teng mo WUC or e le controlled, le ba ruta ka quality le different types of treatments tse di teng.

Ke eme gone foo Tona.


Ke a go leboga, ke ema nokeng kopo e o re e neetseng mo letsatsing la gompieno.

Ke a leboga.

MR TSHERE (MAHALAPYE WEST): Thank you very much Honourable Chairperson.

Ke leboge gape le Tona Mzwinila.

tlile mo Tona Mzwinila kgapetsakgapetsa fa a Palamenteng a kopa madi jaana, ke mo solofeditse gore ke tlile go mo ema nokeng, ka ke tsaya gore kgang e a e dirang e botlhokwa, ya go tlisa metsi le tse di amang bonno.
Di botlhokwa thata and gangwe le gape ke a mo tlhaloganya fa a bua ka dikgang tsa go atolosa metsi.

Gompieno ke swabile nko go feta molomo Mr Chairperson, ka gore fa ke bua jaana, sephatlo sa batho kwa Mahalapye, ba kgaoletswe metsi, gatwe ba a kolota.

Kgang e e ntseng e buiwa ke Honourable Lesaso, jaaka o utlwa a re Shoshong e direlwa bill ya about P1 million ka kgwedi.

Go a tlhobaetsa Mr Chairperson, gore a half ya batho ba Mahalapye ba ka kgaolelwa metsi, go bo gotwe ba a kolota.
52 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply Ke rotloetsa thata gore re somarele metsi kwa gae re le batho, re netefatse gore fa metsi a kgaogile jaana, re tswale pipes gore metsi a se ka a tshologa.

Gape e re re bona metsi a tshologa, either kwa lwapeng la rona kana mo tseleng, re a bege gore a baakanngwe ka gore metsi ke selo se se botlhokwa thata, ka ga re ka ke ra tshela a seyo.
Ke tshwenngwa ke gore half ya batho ba Mahalapye ba kgaoletswe metsi, mme ga gona le fa e le alternative.

Ga gona le fa e le sepe se ba se neelwang go emisetsa seo.

Se e ya go nna bothata, ka gore metsi is a basic need.

Re tshwanetse re nwe metsi, mongwe le mongwe o tshwanetse a nwe metsi, a tlhape a apeye.

Fa e le gore batho ga ba na metsi, ba kgaoletswe metsi, mme lephata la metsi le sa ba tlisetse sepe in return, go sena standpipes kwa ba ka gelelang metsi teng.
Gompieno jaana fa ke go bolelela Mr Chairperson, batho ba kwa Mahalapye ba ba kgaoletsweng metsi, ba nwa metsi mo manholes tsa North-South Water Carrier, a a leswe a a tlang ka pipes tse.

Ba nwa metsi mo molapong, a le one a seng phepha.

Jaanong ke ipotsa gore Tona, fa boikarabelo jwa gagwe e le go siela Batswana metsi, a bo a tsaya motse wa Mahalapye ka bogare a bo a ba kgaolela metsi, mme a sa provide standpipe sa gore batho ba tle go nwa koo, a re go dirwe jang.

Go dirwe jang fa go ntse jaana?


Re na le problem; Honourable Lucas o tlaa go bolelela go kana failure to provide clean water is also a sign of a bad Government.

Fa e le gore batho ba kgona gore ba tswalelelwe metsi fela go bo gotwe, no ga gona metsi ka gore o a kolota, then there is a problem.

Honourable Chairperson, I think the solution ke gore re fokotse pressure, re kile ra bua ka kgang e. Batho ba tsweledise, gore bogolo ba tle ba kgone go timola kgokgotsho lenyora, fa go na le lenyora.
Ga re ka ke ra phutha matsogo re bo re re batho ba a kolota, re bo re nna fela jalo, ga gona le fa e le sepe se re se dirang.

Gape o tshwanetse o letlelele batho go ikepela didiba mo metseng le businesses tsa bone, gore ba kgone go inosa metsi, ka gore a gago a a tura.

O beile tlhwatlhwa kwa godimodimo, mo o sa itseng gore metsi a tlhokafala, ga gona gore motho o ka tshela a sena metsi.

Se sengwe se batho ba lelang ka sone, ke metres tsa gago.
Kana metres ga re tle ka tsone Honourable Chairperson of this committee, metres di tla ka wena ka lephata la gago.

Ke wena o itseng the specification le flow rate ya metre oo.

Rona re belaela gore metre oo tlang ka one, o bala se two-two, gongwe e bile three-three ka gore ka fa o balang ka teng, o a gakgamatsa Mr Chairperson.

Dilo tse gongwe di tshwanetse di tswe di le clear, o tlhalose gore flow rate ya metre wa lona ke bokae, go diragala eng, o bala jang, o ka bala jang P1.3 million ka kgwedi.
Ke selo se se gakgamatsang thata.

Se Mr Chairperson, se ntshwenya ka gore gangwe le gape fa ke gakologelwa, ke gakologelwa mafoko a a mo Baebeleng mo bukeng ya Lamentations Chapter 5 Verses 2-4.

If I can read it with your permission Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Please do.

MR TSHERE: Thank you.

Ke e bala ka Setswana, 2-4, “Boswa jwa rona, bo filwe baditšhaba, matlo a rona a tsewa ke bahaladi, re dikhutsana, ga re na borraarona.

Bommaarona ke baswagadi.


Metsi a rona re a nwa ka go a reka, le dikgong tsa rona re a di rekisetswa.” Ke mafoko a a tswang mo Baebeleng, ka dilelo tse di neng di diragala tsa maIseraele, and go a supafala gore re gone foo le rona.

Re mo nakong yone eo, e e leng gore sengwe le sengwe sa rona re a se rekisetswa e bile re se rekisetswa ka tlhwatlhwa e kgolo, e re sa kgoneng to afford it.
Ke batla go wela ka e nngwe ke e Tona Mzwinila, maloba Batswana ba ne ba bua mo Facebook, ba ngongorega gore ke eng metsi a kgaoga mo Gaborone, mme maloba o ne o re bolelela gore Masama Pipeline e a bulwa, we have spent almost a billion.
Fa ke santse ke reeditse gore o tlaa tswa ka tharabololo ya gore ke eng metsi a tlhaela mme o re boleletse gore o ya go tsaya metsi kwa Masama, e bo jaanong o ntsha mokgekgethima wa lekwalo of two pages, o o ntsha o na le monwana wa Chief Executive Officer (CEO) ya Water Utilities Corporation (WUC).

O o ntsha jaana e le gore you are completely erring on the side of the contractor.

I need not to remind you Honourable Minister gore which side you need to err.
You cannot be erring and writing two-page letter defending the contractor.

You should be defending Government and the people.

Ke a go gwetlha gone jaana gore mo karabong ya gago, a ko o tlhatswe kgang.

Ke na le unconfirmed report that Masama ga e bereke.

Fa o e bulela fela, and build pressure, it burst all the way to Masama, 100 kilometres (km).

It is not working.

Therefore, confirm this issue today.

O tlhalosetse Batswana gore go diragala eng?

Ga e bereke fa re bua jaana.


Ga ba a bulela metsi ka gore ga a kgone go tsamaya mo Masama.

O tlhalosetse Batswana gore ba tlhaloganye gore ke eng go sena metsi mo Gaborone?

O re boleletse gore o ya to supply metsi ka Masama.

53 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply Fa ke wela, maloba ke ne ke bua le Honourable Boko ka Mahalapye gore go na le metse e go santseng go sena sewerage line.
Fa le dira sewerage line ka nako eo, le fa le dira an upgrade ya go atolosa metsi mo motseng wa Mahalapye and replacing pipes tse di sha ka 2016, le ne la se ka la fetsa.

You know it, 25 per cent of the job remains behind.

Ga e a fela.

Re batla o re tlhalosetse gore kgang e, e ya go fela leng?

Fa o tsena mo motseng wa Mahalapye, mo Leretwa, fa gare ga motse, go santse go na le fa re ka kgonang to connect mo sewerage line.

Fa gongwe sewerage line is a meter away from my yard.
Mo e leng gore ga go na how I can navigate go ya kwa go yone ke tlola ditsela ke reng.

Mo Tshikinyega, Madiba, Thomadithotse, Parwe le Mowana, same thing.

Go na le fa go senang metsi, ga go na kgopho ya metsi a a leswe.

Re batla dikarabo kwa Mahalapye ka kgang e. Fa re bua ka Mahalapye in general, ke akaretsa e ke tlholang ke bua le Honourable Boko gore we are pursuing Mahalapye Policy re lebeletse Flower Town Phase 2, kwa e leng ditsha tse di sha tse o di beileng, both residential and industrial.
Kwa residential ke matlhabisa ditlhong Honourable Minister.

You are creating dikasi kwa Mahalapye kwa go nang le poor sewerage, poor infrastructure development e e amanang le go kgopha metsi.

Jaanong o fitlhela e le gore re dira makeishane in a developed area like Flower Town Phase 2.

O leke o tlise metsi re kgone go kgopha a a leswe sentle mo teng.

Fa e le kwa Industrial, on the other side of the road, koo e bile ke matlhabisa ditlhong.
Yes, e rile ka 2016 le tlisitse moalo gone fale mme ke mokokotlo fela wa pipeline ya lona.

Ga o kgone to connect mo dijarateng.

Selo se a ko o tlhalosetse batho ba Mahalapye gore ba tlaa gokelelwa leng metsi kwa Mahalapye Flower Town Phase 2 mo Industrial?

Ga e bereke fa ke bua le wena jaana.

It cannot operate, ga e na metsi, sewerage line le motlakase.

How can we operate Mahalapye Industrial ka seemo se re leng mo go sone?
Ke eletsa thata gore a ko o itebaganye le kgang e ya Mahalapye re tle go fetsa that 25 per cent yo o setseng, yo e leng gore ga go na sewerage, ga go na metsi mo gare ga motse wa Mahalapye.

I wish you could go there le wena o ye go bua le ba lephata la gago kwa Mahalapye, ba go tlhalosetse gore mafelo a ke buang ka one ke eng.

Ga se lantlha, ke nna ke bua thata.


Ga se lantlha ke botsa potso e mo Palamenteng ka kgang ya tiro e e saletseng kwa morago, that 25 per cent e e leng gore batho ba Mahalapye ba bapile le batho ba na le metsi, ba kgopha metsi a a leswe mme ba bangwe ga ba kgone go bona ditlamelo tseo mme re nna rotlhe mo motseng le mo Kgotleng.

E tsamaya ka kwa e tlola ba ba kafa.

Ga ke itse gore thulaganyo eo e ne e tsamaya jang Honourable Minister.

Ke kopa o arabe dikgang tsa motse wa Mahalapye.


Kwa bofelelong, ke bua dikgang tse ke di emang nokeng tse di buang ka metsi.

Re atolose thulaganyo ya metsi.

Jaanong go nkutlwisa botlhoko fa e kare ga o tseye dilo tse ka tlhwaafalo le mashetla a a tlhokafalang gore go dirwe, e bile gape go na le botsotsi mo teng.

Ke tsone dilo tse e leng gore ga ke ka ke ka ema nokeng fa go tsamaya jalo.

In general terms, we need to bring drinking water and portable water to the people.

I thank you Mr Chairperson.


MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Autlwetse… …Silence… MR CHAIRPERSON: Ga o utlwale.

…Silence… MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR AUTLWETSE): Mr Chairperson, can you hear me?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Now we can hear you.

MR AUTLWETSE: Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Ke go leboge Modulasetilo go bo o mphile sebakanyana sa gore ke tshwaele mo kgannyeng ya Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services.

Ke kope maitshwarelo rraetsho ka se se neng sa diragala.
Mathata e ne e le maranyane.

Ke ile kwa ofising ya ga Honourable Modukanele gore ke tle ke akgele ke le mo teng.

Ke simolole Motlotlegi Modulasetilo ka go supa fa ke na le kemonokeng mo kopong e e fa pele ga rona ya lephata le le eteletsweng pele ke Honourable Mzwinila.

E le ruri ntle le metsi, setshedi se gotweng motho mo go sone fa a seyo, botshelo bo a ema.

Re ka tswa re di akantse tsotlhe, ra leba makalana a Puso fa e le gore otlhe a botlhokwa, mme le, le botlhokwa go a feta otlhe.
Dijo tse re di jang, ga o ka ke wa kgona go di dira, fa metsi a seyo.

tshwanela go leboga Modulasetilo, ke bona go Goromente wa lefatshe leno la Botswana ka e rile mo teng ga mathata a re neng re na le one a tlhaelo ya metsi, tebelopele ya nna teng ya gore fa re sena madi, ga re a tshwanela go rwala mabogo mo tlhogong ra lela selelo sa Matebele, Maebaboi.

Ga tliwa ka mogopolo wa gore a go adingwe madi.


Bontlha bongwe jwa madi ao, 54 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply bo itebaganye le go direla Batswana metsi.

Ke bo ke itumelele ka fa Tona Mzwinila le bodiredi jwa gagwe bo neng jwa leka ka teng gore metsi a nne teng mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
Ga go ise go lekane Mr Chairperson, ke gone ka moo ke kopang Tona gore a nne a leke thata, a atamele Tona Serame gore e re mo nakong e e tlang, gongwe lephata le le adimelwe madi gape.

Selelo sa metsi se santse se le kwa godimo mo lefatsheng leno la Botswana, mme segolobogolo fa re leba, go nna re tswelela re anamisa metsi le lefatshe la Botswana, re leke gape le go baakanya pipes tse di kgologolo.
Mo metseng e re leng mo go yone jaaka o ke tsalwang mo go one wa Serowe, pipes dingwe e santse e le tsele tsa galvanised steel tse di saleng di tsena ka bo 1975, bo 1980 mo e leng gore letsatsi le letsatsi le mo metseng e mengwe kwa ntle ga Serowe, dituelo tsa metsi di kaega di le kwa godimo fela thata ka lebaka la gore bontsi jwa metsi ga a nowe ke batho, one a a tlhaelang, mangwe a one a boa gape a tsena mo mmung ka molato wa pipes tse di onetseng.
Ka jalo, a e re fa re ntse re tsenya metsi kwa a seyong teng, mme re sekaseke go bona gore le pipes tse di kgologolo le tsone di a ntshiwa go tsenngwa tse dintšha.

Selelo sa Batswana se kwa godimo fela thata, ba lela ka dituelo tse di kwa godimo tsa metsi.

Boammaaruri ke gore bontlha bongwe jwa metsi ga se jo ba bo dirisitseng, ke jo bo ba latlhegetseng e se ka bofafalele jwa bone, e le fela ka gore didirisiwa tsa rona tota di setse di tsofetse, di eletsa e kete le tsone sengwe se ka dirwa ka tsone.
Fa ke tsena mo go ya kabo lefatshe Modulasetilo, ke rata ke supe gore a re fefogeleng gore fa go sa tlhokeng mealo teng Motlotlegi Mzwinila, bogolo jang kwa masimo, a batho ba bewe.

Go nne bothata fa re itseng teng gore, gore batho ba bewe go tshwanetse go nne le yone mealo eo e e leng gore fa gongwe e nna yone dikgoreletsi.

Kwa masimo ga gona dikgoreletsi dipe ka gore koo batho ba kgona go ikepela didiba, ga gona mealo e e tlhokafalang.
Ga gona distance ya gore tshimo e tshwanetse e bo e le sekgele se se kana go tswa mo tshimong e nngwe.

Bogolo go nne le bothata gongwe kwa go tsa didiba fa e le gore gongwe dikoloi tsa gago e ka bo ka nako nngwe di robegile ka gore koo go tshwanelwa ke gore go balwe.

Ke a itse gore molao wa gago wa re sediba se tshwanetse go nna six kilometres go tswa mo go se sengwe le fa Batswana ba setse ba kuakuetsa ba re six kilometres o o motona, a go sekasekwe gore a fokodiwe.
Eo ke tshwetso e e tlaa tsewang ke Batswana le fa nna fela ka namana ke na le poifo mo go yone.

Kana le selo se gotweng kgomo, ga e batle go nna mo mmolong, mme didiba fa di bewa three kilometres apart, kana go raya gore jaanong re dira mmolo.

E tlile gore namane e tsamaya one kilometre e bo e setse e kopane le marole a a tswang ka kwa merakeng e mengwe, bogolo jang ka dipaka tse e leng gore lefatshe la Botswana kana ga le sa tshephega, dipula tsa rona ga di sa tshephega, re tshelela mo leubeng.
Jaaka le gompieno jaana ke a bona re gomagomediwa ke leuba le le gakgamatsang.

Ke tsamaile dikgaolo tsa Tswapong, tse dintsi tsa Legare le Southern mme go a mpontsha gore pula e e neleng ngwaga ono ga e a lekana.

Sone seo fela ka bosone se supa gore leuba le gaufi, mme fa go tla go tsena leuba, go bo go fitlhela lefatshe le gotlhegile ka gore meraka e ne e le mokang le yone e leng mmolo.

Ke mathata a a tlaabong a tlhatlagane.


Nna yo ke leng fano, le fa Batswana bone ba tlaa itseela ditshwetso, mme sediba sa three kilometres go tswa mo go se sengwe, ga ke bone fa e le se ope a ka tsadisetsang mo go sone.
Monana e ka re a neelwa dikgomo ka madi a Citizen Entrepreneurial Development Agency (CEDA) kana a Livestock Management and Infrastructure Development (LIMID) tota re ka nna le tsholofelo ya gore o ka ikokotletsa mo e ka reng nako nngwe a bo na le dikgomo tse di ka tshwarang 100 kana 200 gore di tle go mo thuse go duela sekoloto se a tseneng mo go sone.

Ka gore fa o tsetse o tsene mo sekolotong o tshwanetse go se duela, project ka mokgwa wa yone e tshwanelwa ke gore e ituelele.
Ga o a tshwanela gore jaanong o bo o ya go tsaya madi a meamuso e sele go tla go kgarametsa sekoloto seo.

Ke sone se ke neng ke bona gore ke tshwanelwa ke gore mo go le letsatsi, Honourable Mzwinila, ke go supegetse gore ke go eme nokeng mo kopong e ya madi.

A e re a goroga, tseo tse nna le bakaulengwe re setseng re buile ka tsone, a di fefogelwe go bona gore tota di ka diragadiwa.

Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Modulasetilo.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MS MAKWINJA): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.
Ke emela go raya Tona Mzwinila ke re ke mo eme nokeng fela thatathata e bile jaaka dibui di setse di buile, tota o kare o ka fiwa madinyana fa a ka bo a le teng a le mantsi gore mathata a o rakanang le one, bogolo jang mo kabong ya lefatshe, a ko a fokotsege.

Ke mo akgole fela thata le ba lephata la gagwe Mr Chairperson ka gore lephata le ke la botlhokwa fela thata.

Re mo akgolele se a se dirileng, o setse a akgotswe mo go tsa metsi go bona gore o dira tiro e ka manontlhotlho a a feteletseng.
Ke akgole ba Water Utilities fela thata.

Batho ba ba 55 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply Modimo ba bereka bosigo le motshegare, ga nkitla ke ema go ba akgola.

Ba dira tiro e ntle fela thata le fa re ntse re na le mathata a metsi.

Ba a tsapoga fa go na le dikgwetlho mo kgaolong.

Ke re tsa lefatshe Mr Chairperson, ke tse di ngomolang pelo mo dikgaolong tse tsa rona ka gore di gaufi le Gaborone.
Ke bua ka bo Lentsweletau le Mmopane.

Re mo kgatelelong ya gore ditsha ga di bewe ka nako e e tshwanetseng ntswa lefatshe le le teng.

Re a itse gore Tona o na le mathata.

Ba land board ba a leka ba dira base maps, go bo feta go thama foo, planning e le gore jaanong di nna foo ka gore gongwe ga ba na batho kana ditsompelo tsa go thusa ba land board fa ba sena go dira base maps.

Ke kgang e re kopang Tona Mzwinila ka madi a gore e fele, ba land board ba tle ba kgone go dira tiro ka manontlhotlho.
Ba Water Utilities Corporation (WUC) ba dira tiro e fela mo go nametsang.

Mr Chairperson, ditlhotlhomiso mo Botswana di supa fa e le gore 73 per cent ya single-headed households… majority of those, over 80 per cent, ke basadi ba ba nang le bana ba nna mo malwapeng a bo nkokoabone le bo mmaabo ba na le bana.
Re ne re bona ditlamorago tsa COVID-19 re lela ka matlho mo o tlaa fitlhelang mmenyana, a low income, fa gongwe a sa bereke a nna mo lelwapeng, mongwe le mongwe a nna le mmolopitana wa gagwe o a apayang ka one.

Ke dilo tse di botlhoko Mr Chairperson.

O tlaa fitlhela four generations di nna mo lelwapeng le lengwefela.

Ke kope gore fa go ntse go tsamaya Tona re bone gore single-headed households, bogolo jang tsa bomme ba ba sa nyalwang mme ba na le bana, ba fiwa priority e e rileng.
Re nne le quota e e rileng ka gore golo mo, bana go tswa fa jaanong ka gore bo mmaabone ga ba a itsholela, ba a kgokgontshiwa mo malwapeng ke bo mmangwaneabone le bo malomaabone.

Re tsena kwa dikoleng, ga ba dire sentle, kamoso ba mo seterateng, ke bo bašhi.

It is a ripple effect, ga gona yo o kgaolang chain eo ya lehuma mo single-headed households, bogolo jang tsa bomme.
A e re re le Goromente re bone setlhopha sa batho ba, ba ba tletseng mo Ipelegeng, ba ba beileng ditafole, bontsi jwa bone are single parents, ba na le bana.

Re le Goromente re tshwanetse go nna le pelotlhomogi, go bona gore a e kare korotokoroto every year ra re quarter ya ditsha maybe 10 per cent in every village, whatever it is.

A go bonwe priority gore, fa o na le bana ba le bane kana batlhano o le single parent, re ka se ka re go fe bonno joo.
It will economically empower them, o tlaa baya two rooms.

Ke rakane le yo mongwe a single parent yo o ikgatlhang ka Ipelegeng, o na le setsha, o itiretse two rooms a ntse a bereka Ipelegeng.

O na le seriti, o kgona go bona gore bana ba gagwe fa ba ya sekoleng phakela a ba ntse sentle.

O kgona go nna le confidence, that dignity e re e buang fa a ya go lebegana le teacher gore, mma, wa re ngwanake o dira jang.
A sa tlhabiwe ke ditlhong gore kana ba robala ba le eight mo room e le nngwefela ga ba a kgona go tlhapa phakela.

Ke dilo tse re kopanang le tsone mo magaeng a re nnang mo go one Mr Chairperson .Go ba neela lefatshe le ba ka bayang mokgotshwana teng go ka ba fa seriti.

Bana ba le bone bokamoso jwa bone ba nna botoka, ka gore ke bone ba ba tshabelelwang ke teenage pregnancy, bo delinquent, ba kamoso re ba bitsang bashi.

Kamoso re ba bona ba tshwere ka chains e le magodu tota.
Ke yone kgang fela e ke neng ke e kopa, ga ke emele sepe Mr Chairperson, gore a re boneng single headed households ya bomme ba ba sa nyalwang ba na le bana.

Ke re Tona, ke a kopa ka tsweetswee e re fa le ntse le dira mananeo re bone gore go ya pele batho ba re ka ba thusa ka eng.

Kwa Lentsweletau le Mmopane mathata a o a itse, ga ke ka ke ka a tlontlolola fa ke sale ke ntse ke buile mathata a land boards kwa re leng teng.
Ke gopola gore ba tlaa leka fela thata gore tota ga re a tshwanelwa ke gore re bo re na le waiting lists, bogolo jang Lentsweletau Sub Land Board ka gore go na le lefatshe le lone tota mo … (inaudible)… extension… go na le lefatshe le e leng gore tota fa e ka bo base map le surveyors di dira ditiro tse ba tshwanetseng go di dira, o kabo o se mo mathateng a a kanakana Tona.

A re emeng ka dinao re bone gore tota batho ba fiwa lefatshe.
Gape ke re le bone Batswana kwa gae, le a lela la re le batla ditsha, re a leka gore Goromente a le fe ditsha tse go se nang service mo go tsone, gore bogolo le nne le lefatshe.

Jaanong go tswa fa re bo re lela gape ka ditlamelo, mme re boleletswe gore di tlaa sala morago.

Go tlhoka ledi go bo go raya gore go tsaya lebaka, ke re Batswana kwa gae se re feleleng pelo, ditlamelo tse di tlaa tla.

Itumelele gore o filwe lefatshe leo, le fa le sena ditlamelo, ka gore ba bangwe ga ba na nalo.
Ke re ka tsweetswee a re nneng pelo telele, bogolo jang ka ditlamelo, mme re fefose Tona go fa batho ditsha.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Elucidation.

Thank you so much.
Thank you so much.

Ke ne ke re fa o tshwere kgang e ya pressure ya lefatshe, o gakolole Tona gore, kana go na le metse e e tshwanang ya bo Letlhakane jaana, allocation ya lefatshe e sale e dirwa bogologolo, e bile 56 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply jaanong bo maipaafela ba oketsegile.

Kana go tla go ntsha maipaafela ke kgang e e thata.
Ke re ka gongwe ga ke na go bona tshono ya go bua, o nne o kgabola ka tsone mma gore, le kwa Boteti kwa a lebe teng, a bone gore batho bale ba fiwa lefatshe mmaetsho.

Le dikgang tsa kgopho ya metsi a a leswe, pressure e e teng kwa kgaolong ya gago le rona re na le yone.

Ke a leboga.

MS MAKWINJA: Ke a leboga Mothusa Tona.

Ya squatters, ya kgopho ya metsi, ke selelo se se mo metseng yotlhe e e megolwane.

O a itse gore re a tlhabologa, mme dilo tseo di tlaa tla.
Ke gopola gore kwa Letlhakane gone tota di batlega thata ka gore re na le ditswammung koo tse di thusang lefatshe le lotlhe.

Squatters le nna ke one mathata a a leng mo kgaolong ya me, ka gore go tsaya lebaka batho jaanong ba bo ba ipaya… MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Minister, your time is up!

MS MAKWINJA: Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

MR LUCAS (BOBONONG): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

Ka e bile nako ga e yo, ke re tota ke gatelele mo kgannyeng ya transfers.
Go sokodisa batho tota gore e re ba tshwanetse to transfer ditsha tsa batsadi ba bone di ye kwa go bone, go tseye lebaka le le leele fela thata.

Ke ipotsa bothata jo gatwe a bo kwa go rona fela kwa Bobirwa kana ke ja lefatshe lotlhe.

Minister, e-e, a ko o tlhoafalele kgang e ya transfers, lebaka le le kgonang go tsaya five or six years motho a ntse a siana fa gare ga land board a re, thusang mme go sa kgonagale.
Ke kgang e ke e tseelang kwa godimo, e ke dumelang gore le wena rraetsho o e tseele kwa godimo.

Ke mo komiting ya gago, re phaketse re e buile, ke dumela gore kgang e o neng o e solofetsa gore transfer e tshwanetse gore fa gotwe e diegile e tseye 30 days.

A ko go nne jalo motho wetsho, gore transfers di kgone go tsaya bone bo 30 days.

Kgang e nngwe e ke batlang go e gatelela ke ya metsi, ke utlwile Honourable Autlwetse a bua ka yone, ke kgang e e tona thata.
Go lebega bills tsa batho di le kwa godimo thata mo bathong ba bangwe, mme o fitlhela gongwe a sa nne mo lefelong.

E le motho a nna mo toropong, a nna a etela kwa gae, mme fa a tsena kwa bills tsa kgwedi tsa bo P600 o kare di a bo di le kwa godimo thata.

Ga ke itse gore a bothata bo dirwa ke kgang e e neng e buiwa ke Honourable Autlwetse a re pipes di a dutla, di a reng?

A ko le sekaseke kgang e fela thata, le e tsenye leitlho, e a tshwenya.
Ke go utlwile Tona fa re le mo komiting phakela o bua gore, kgang ya Thune Dam ya to connect metse ya Lepokole, Gobajango, Semolale, Mabolwe, Motlhabaneng, o supa gore it is budgeted for.

It was still budgeted for mo ngwageng o o fetileng, mme ya se ka ya diragadiwa.

Wa re dira baaki, ka gore re ne re setse re solofeditse batho ba dikgaolo tseo gore ba tlaa nosiwa metsi a Thune Dam.

Ba tlogele go nwa metsi a a bodedema, a a tswang mo didibeng.
Ke dumela gore gompieno ga se tsholofetso fela ka gore, kgantele o tlaa tloga o re tlhobogisa batho ba re, ba ba a solofetsa, mme ga ba diragatse se ba se solofeditseng.

O solofeditse gompieno, o rile go simolola ka April madi a tlaabo a le teng a project e ya to connect metse eo.

Rraetsho ke dumela gore seo se tlaa diragala.

Re a tshwenyega rraetsho ka line ya batho ba ba ikopetseng ditsha.
Mo metseng e mengwe e e tshwanang Bobonong batho ba ba ikopetseng ditsha ba ka tshwara 11, 000, mme ditsha tse di leng teng they are less than 50 tse di ka abelwang batho.

Gone moo ka bogone ke re a ko o fefose seemo seo, ka gore tota setsha se neela motho seriti.

Fa o sena setsha le wena o ipona o se motho wa sepe.

Bogolo o nne o se etela fela, o nna ka fa tlase ga moriti wa mophane o sa aga sepe, gone moo ka bogone go ka go neela seriti fa o ise o bone madi a kago.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.


MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR MZWINILA): Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Modulasetilo, ke leboge batlotlegi ba ba neng ba akgela.

Ke tlaa simolola ka Honourable Gare; o ne a bua gore, go batla re nna fa fatshe le ba Lephata la Madi, re buisane le bone ka ditsela tse di farologaneng tsa gore re kgone go bona madi a go dira ditlhabololo tsa rona.
Ke tseela gore re mo thulaganyong eo, jaaka gompieno re le mo thulaganyong ya go dira mo gotweng PPP, ke tsela e e faphegileng ya gore re ka bona madi ka ditsela di sele, gore re fefose ditlhabololo tsa rona.

Motlotlegi o ne a bua ka kgang ya Manyana e e simolotseng ka 2007.

Motlotlegi o rile re tle, re tlaa tla go buisana le bagolo, re tlhaloganye kgang ya teng.
Jaaka ke e tlhaloganya, ke kgang ya gore pele fa re baya ditsha mo mafelong a mangwe, re tshwanetse go dira mo gotweng geotechnical investigation ka Sekgoa.

Re tshwanetse go kanoka seemo kana boleng jwa mmu wa teng gore o ntse jang.
Ke tsone dingwe tsa ditshenyegelo tse ke tlholang ke bua ka tsone gore le fa re ntse re baya batho mo ditsheng tse e leng gore ga di a tlhabololwa, re tshwanetse ra tsena mo ditshenyegelong ka gore go na le dilo tse dintsi tse re tshwanetseng go di dira pele ga re ka 57 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply neela setsha.
Nngwe ya tsone dilo tse re tshwanetseng gore re di dire ke geotechnical investigation, kana go kanoka mmu wa teng gore ke o o ntseng jang.

Motlotlegi o ne a bua ka kgang ya gore go na le phases tse disha, kana kwa motse o golelang teng, kwa go senang metsi, ga a goroge sentle.

Ke tseela gore re tlaa tla re buisana le ba Lephata la Metsi gore ke eng go ntse jalo ka gore metsi a a tswang kwa Mmamashia kwa kgaolong a goroga.

Kgang ke gore go phatlalatsa metsi a teng e ka nna kgwetlho.
Motlotlegi gape o ne a bua ka gore transfers di a diega.

Transfers ga di a tshwanela go diega.

Ke buile le ba land board le bogogi jwa teng gore ke ba beela seelo sa gore transfer e tshwanetse go tsaya kgwedi, fa go diegile e tseye dikgwedi tse pedi.

Ke thulaganyo e ke ba neetseng taelo ya teng, ba tlaa netefatsa gore go nne jalo.

Motlotlegi Ngaka Dikoloti o ne a bua ka kgang ya gore kwa Mmathethe go na le thulaganyo e re tshwanetseng go bona gore re phatlalatsa metsi ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Metsi one a goroga mme mathata ke go a phatlalatsa.

Ke tseela gore re tlaa dira jalo, re mo thulaganyong ya teng.

Motlotlegi o ne a bua ka Mogojogojo gore re tshwanetse gore ya go pulo semmuso.

Ke tseela gore re tlaa dira jalo, gongwe ka kgwedi ya April kana ya May, re tlaa dira pulo semmuso ya tlhabololo yone eo, e ba e lebogetseng fela thata ba Mogojogojo.
O ne a bua ka kgang ya gore Strategic Environmental Assessments (SEAs) di a diega mme re mo thulaganyong le ba lephata le le maleba la ga Mme Mma Kereng gore re dire dithulaganyo tse di faphegileng, re fokotse tiego ya SEAs.

Kwa go botlhokwa gore di nne teng, re tlaa batla madi ka gore re tsentse madi mo kabong ya madi gore SEAs di nne teng, di tshwanetse go nna teng.

Fa di sa nne teng, mathata a bagolo le batho ba tleng ba bue ka one, a ya go nna teng.
So SEA e tshwanetse go nna teng, ga re ka ke ra tlhoka gore e se ka ya nna teng.

Se re ka se dirang ke gore fa re bona gore SEA ya lefelo le lengwe e ka dirisiwa kwa lefelong le lengwe, re tlaa leka gore re dire jalo.

Motlotlegi o ne a bua ka kgang ya Kanye gore maikaelelo a rona ke eng?
Maikaelelo a rona kwa Kanye mo ngwageng o o tlang wa madi ke go bona gore re ka bona madi mangwe a gore re anamise phatlalatso ya metsi mo Dikgotleng tse nne tse ditona, kana tse di nang le dikgwetlho tse ditona tsa phatlalatso ya metsi.
Ke tseela gore le mo kabong ya madi a rona, ga re ka ke ra tsena mo thulaganyong ya go baakanya phatlalatso ya metsi mo motseng ka gore kabo ya madi ga e re letle gore re dire jalo mme re tlaa simolola mo ngwageng wa madi o o tlang ka thulaganyo yone e. Motlotlegi Saleshando, tota gone o ne a kgala gape a tshosetsa.

O ne a bua ka gore land boards ga di a bewa sentle, a re go na le ba ba ka tswang ba kokota kwa go nna.

O ne a bua gore kwa Okavango ga go a dirwa sentle.


Kana dikgang tse ke tsa molao, thomo ya ma land boards e kwadilwe fela sentle mo molaong o o dumalanweng ke Palamente.

Re diragaditse molao wa teng fela ka fa tsamaisong e e lolameng.

Fa e le gore o na le mathata le molao, o a itse gore o ka dira eng, e seng gore a ntshosetse.

Motlotlegi, o se ka wa ntshosetsa.

Batho ba e leng gore ba ya go kokota kwa go nna ba tlaa simolola kwa go wena pele.
Ga ba ka ke ba kokota kwa go nna ba ise ba fete ka wena, e bile kwa go wena ba ya go diega.

Motlotlegi Saleshando o ne o bua gore metse e e leng gore ga e a tlhomamisiwa semmuso, e tshwanetse gore e neelwe metsi.

Go na le fa ke dumalanang teng le fa ke sa dumalaneng teng.
Mo ditsamaisong tse di fetileng ka Palamente, melao e e tshwanang le ya Water Works Act le ditsamaiso tse di tshwanang le bo Settlement Policy, re buile gore ditlhabololo tsa Goromente di ya kwa mafelong a a ntseng jang kana a a rileng; kwa metseng e e tlhomamisitsweng semmuso.

Re na le keletso ya go isa metsi kwa Batswana ba leng teng ka gore ke yone thomo ya rona mme ka mabaka a tlhaelo ya ditsompelo le ditlamelo, gongwe ga re ka ke ra kgona go isa metsi kwa mafelong otlhe.
Ke sone se re isang metsi kwa metseng e e tlhomamisitsweng semmuso.

O ne a bua ka kgang ya concessions lease; ga ke itse gore o ne a bua eng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa tlhaloso mo go ya metsi o ise o e tlogele.

MR MZWINILA: Nnyaa, denied.

O ne a bua ka kgang ya leases ya concessions.

Ke tseela gore gongwe motlotlegi ga a tlhaloganye gore re fetisitse leases.

Re ne re na le bothata mo leases mme re di baakantse motlotlegi.
Mo sebakeng sa gompieno ba Tawana Land Board le ba Chobe Land Board ba neetswe leases tse disha.

Re ne re tshwanetse go baakanya leases mme ke tsaya gore kgang ya leases jaanong e tlhatswegile gore ba ba di tlhokang kana ba ba tlhokang go ikopela lefatshe gore ba neelwe lease, ba tlaa thusiwa fela jalo.
58 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply e diilwe kwa Makgotlatshekelong mme re tlaa netefatsa go fefosa tlhabololo e ka bofefo jo bo kgonegang gore bagolo ba kgaolo ya gago ba bone metsi.

Motlotlegi o ne a bua ka metsi a leruo mme ba metsi a leruo ke ba Lephata la Temothuo.
Rona tota re lebagane thata le go tlamela Batswana ka metsi a a nowang ke batho, mme ba Lephata la Temothuo gongwe ba ka tla ba thusa ka megopolo ya bone mabapi le gore leruo le ka tla la bona metsi ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Motlotlegi o ne a bua ka dipolase tsa Kgalagadi gore re di sege.

Ke kile ka ya kwa dikgaolong tsone tsele motlotlegi, ke utlule bagolo ba bua ka kgang yone eo.
Re na le togamaano e e leng teng ya gore kwa lefelong le gotweng SO2, re bone gore re ka tla ra sega dipolase jang, mme gape re nne le lefatshe la mafudiso.

Re kgaoganye lefatshe la teng gore go nne le lefatshe la mafudiso, re bo re nna le dipolase tse re tlaabong re di sega.

Re mo thulaganyong ya teng, e tlaa wela mo bogaufing jwa nako.

MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Order!

Order!

Honourable Minister, you will continue tomorrow.


It is now 6:00 p.m. and I call upon the Vice President (VP) as Leader of the House to move a Motion of adjournment.

MOTION ADJOURNMENT LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, as you have requested that I must move a Motion of adjournment, I do so Mr Speaker, I move that this House do now adjourn.

Question put and agreed to.


The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 6:01 p.m until Wednesday 16th March, 2022 at 2:00 p.m. Motlotlegi o ne a bua ka Pandamatenga-Gaborone gore ke eng re tlhoka Transaction Advisor.

Tota gone re tlhoka Transaction Advisor ka gore ke yo o itseng tiro ya teng, ke mankge wa teng.

Ga ke itse gore a go ka kgonagala gore go nne le Transaction Advisor yo o ka itseng dikgang tsa maphata otlhe ka gore ke tse di batlang batho ba ba itseng dikgang tsa teng.
Jaaka yo re mmatlileng, ke yo o tlhaloganyang dikgang tsa metsi.

Ga ke itse gore a re ka tsaya Transaction Advisor wa Lephata la Metsi, a bo a ya go dira transactions tsa Lephata la Botsogo e le sekai fela.

Ke tseela gore gongwe foo ga ke dumalane le motlotlegi jaaka a ne a bua.

Motlotlegi Balopi o ne a bua ka kgang ya gore re rile Masama e ya go oketsa selekanyo sa metsi a a gorogang mo Gaborone.
Go ntse jalo mme go na le tlhabololo e nngwe gape e e yang go ama kgaolo ya gagwe, e bitswa gotwe North South Carrier (NSC) 2.3.

Ke thulaganyo ya go tokafatsa phatlalatso ya metsi mo motseng wa Gaborone.

Se re se dirang motlotlegi ke go leka gore kwa mafelong mangwe a Gaborone le kgaolo ya gago e le mo teng, re oketse selekanyo sa metsi a a tlaabong a goroga gone koo.
Mo tsamaong ya nako, maikaelelo a rona ke gore re kgone go neela ba Gaborone North metsi mme gore re goroge foo, go batla dilo dingwe tsa rona; dithulaganyo le ditogamaano tsa rona di bo di siame sentle.

Motlotlegi o ne a bua ka Glen Valley mme ke tseela gore re ne re ile kwa madirelong a teng.

Re dirile thulaganyo ya go ntšhafatsa madirelo a teng mme re lekile go fokotsa monko o o tswang kwa madirelong a teng.
Go ntse fela jalo ka gore ba ba itseng dikgang tsa teng, ba ba kgonang go kanoka selekanyo sa monko o o tswang, ba re boleletse gore monko wa teng o fokotsegile.

Ke tsaya gore ke thulaganyo e tlhabololo ya teng gongwe e wetseng ka November 2021, fa e le gore ke gakologelwa sentle.

Motlotlegi Balopi o ne a bua kgang ya gore go botlhokwa gore bomme ba ba mo nyalong e e boitshepho ba bone lefatshe.
Ke tsaya gore re ne ra baakanya Land Policy gore go nne fela jalo, gore mongwe le mongwe yo o lenyalong; monna le mosadi, botlhe ka bobone ba bone lefatshe.

Re baakantse jalo.

Motlotlegi Mme Mma Monnakgotla o ne a bua ka kgang ya pipeline e e yang kwa Hukuntsi le metse e mengwe.

Ke tseela gore ke tlhabololo e e leng gore ga re a bolo go e emela.

E ne e le mo ditshekong di le tharo kana pedi; o kare di ne di le tharo.
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