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THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT TUESDAY 22 FEBRUARY 2022 MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO: 205 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon.

Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP.

DEPUTY SPEAKER Hon.

P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP.

(Tonota) Clerk of the National Assembly Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly Acting Learned Parliamentary Counsel Assistant Clerk (E) His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP.

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP.


(Boteti West) CABINET - President - Vice President - Ms B. N. Dithapo - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe - Advocate L. O. Tlhowe - Mr R. Josiah Hon.

K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP.

(Molepolole South) - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

K. T. Mmusi, MP.

(Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon.

Dr L. Kwape, MP.

(Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon.

K. K. Autlwetse, MP.


(Specially Elected) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon.

K. S. Gare, MP.

(Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

P. K. Kereng, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism Hon.

Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP.

(Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon.

T.M.

Segokgo, MP.

(Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon.

K. Mzwinila, MP.
K. Mzwinila, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon.

T. M. Rakgare, MP.

(Mogoditshane) - Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development Hon.

A. M. Mokgethi, MP.

(Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon.

P. O. Serame, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon.

F. M. M. Molao, MP.

(Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Hon.

Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP.


(Tati East) Hon.

L. M. Moagi, MP.

(Ramotswa) - Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology - Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security Hon.

M. Kgafela, MP.

(Mochudi West) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

M. R. Shamukuni, MP.

(Chobe) - Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development Hon.

E. M. Molale, MP.

(Goodhope-Mabule) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development Hon.
D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP.

(Gaborone South) - Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

S. N. Modukanele, MP.

(Lerala -Maunatlala) Hon.

T. Monnakgotla, MP.

(Kgalagadi North) Hon.

M. M. Pule, MP.

(Mochudi East) Hon.

M. S. Molebatsi, MP.


(Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

S. Lelatisitswe, MP.

(Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness Hon.

N. W. T. Makwinja, MP.

(Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education Hon.

B. Manake, MP.
B. Manake, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

H. B. Billy, MP.

(Francistown East) Hon.

A. Lesaso, MP.

(Shoshong) - Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES Names Constituency Hon.

L. Kablay, MP.

(Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon.

Dr U. Dow, MP.

Hon.


P. Majaga, MP.

Hon.

M. Balopi, MP.

Hon.

J. S. Brooks, MP.

Hon.

C. Greeff, MP.

Hon.

T. Letsholo, MP.

Hon.

T. F. Leuwe, MP.

Hon.

T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP.

Hon.

Dr T. Matsheka, MP.

Hon.

S. N. Moabi, MP.

Hon.

P. K. Motaosane, MP.

Hon.

O. Regoeng, MP.

Hon.

J. L. Thiite, MP.


Specially Elected Nata-Gweta Gaborone North Kgalagadi South Gaborone Bonnington South Kanye North Takatokwane Gaborone Central Lobatse Tati West Thamaga-Kumakwane Molepolole North Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon.

D. Saleshando, MP.

(Leader of the Opposition) Hon.

M. G. J. Motsamai, MP.


(Opposition Whip) Maun West Ghanzi South Selebi Phikwe West Mahalapye East Sefhare-Ramokgonami Ngami Okavango Maun East Bobonong Selebi Phikwe East Palapye Nkange Mahalapye West Francistown West Hon.

D. L. Keorapetse, MP.

Hon.

Y. Boko, MP.

Hon.

Dr K. Gobotswang, MP.

Hon.

C. K. Hikuama, MP.

Hon.

K. K. Kapinga, MP Hon.

G. Kekgonegile, MP.

Hon.

T. B. Lucas, MP.

Hon.

K. Nkawana, MP.

Hon.

O. Ramogapi, MP.

Hon.

Dr N. Tshabang, MP.

Hon.

D. Tshere, MP.

Hon.


M. I. Moswaane, MP.

Hon.

T. S. Khama, MP.

Hon.

L. Lesedi, MP.

Hon.

B. Mathoothe, MP.

Hon.

M. Reatile, MP.

(Botswana Patriotic Front) Serowe West Serowe South Serowe North Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon.

W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.
W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.

Francistown South (Alliance for Progressives) TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT TUESDAY 22nd FEBRUARY, 2022 CONTENTS PAGE (S QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...............................................................................................................19-26 GOVERNMENT BILL Appropriation (2022/2023) Bill, 2022 (No.
2 of 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate)......................................................................................................1-18, 27-58 Tuesday 22nd February, 2022 THE ASSEMBLY met at 11:00 a.m. (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) P R A Y E R S * * * * APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) MR SPEAKER (MR MOATLHODI): Order!

Honourable Members, the debate on this Bill is resuming.
When the House adjourned yesterday evening, Honourable Autlwetse was on the floor debating and he is left with 12 minutes 36 seconds.

Honourable Minister of Local Government and Rural Development, the floor is yours sir.

MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR AUTLWETSE): Ke a go leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Re letse re kgaogane maabane ke santse ke bua ka ditshono, tse ke neng ke supa gore e le boammaaruri motlakase mo lefatsheng la Botswana ditlhwatlhwa tsa one di kwa godimo, di kokonela Batswana.

Mme ke rata legato le Puso e le tsereng la gore a re rutuntsheng Batswana gore mo nakong ya gompieno, ba iphokoletse ditlhwatlhwa tsa motlakase ka gore gongwe le gongwe kwa merakeng le masimo, ba dirise motlakase wa letsatsi.
Ba ba kgonang jaaka fa ke itse gore go na le ba ba dipata di boteng, jaaka re na le dibanka tse di tshwanang Citizen Entrepreneurial Development Agency (CEDA) le National Development Bank (NDB), bogolo jang banana, ba ipope ba ye go tsaya madi koo ba ye go dira plants tse ba ka fetlhang motlakase.

Ka gore fa ba fetlha motlakase, mmakete o setse o le teng, ba ka rekisetsa Botswana Power Corporation (BPC).
Ya re mo tsamaong ya nako ra bo re na le motlakase o le rona re le lefatshe la Botswana o re lekaneng, o re ka bang ra rekisetsa mafatshe a mangwe.

E le motlakase o re o itirelang mo gae, o o cheap wa marang a letsatsi.

Kwa masimong le merakeng le gone jalo, ke bona e le gore this is an opportunity ya gore re intshe mo ditlhwatlhweng tse di bogale tsa leokwane, re dirise letsatsi ka gore fa o nosa ka marang a letsatsi ga go na nako ya go tlhola o sikere engine o re e ya to be serviced.
Ga go na nako ya go tlhola o sikere drum ya diesel o bolaya le koloi ya gago.

Ke gore ke motlakase o e leng gore ke mpho e e tswang kwa Modimong jaaka fa bangwe ba a tle ba bue.

Ke ganelela thata le gone ka fa Ministry wa Agriculture, ke re, re na le kgang ya mokatakata gompieno e o kareng ga re e lebe ka go tshwana, e o kareng kamoso re raya Goromente re re dira se, fa a se dira, nnyaa se dire seo, dira se.
Goromente o tsere tshwetso e ke e ratang, ya gore le fa merogo re ise re kgone go e dira e e lekaneng gore e ka fepa Batswana botlhe, mme fela let us protect mo re nang le gone, re tswale kwa melelwaneng, gore tse re nang le tsone… ka gore mo nakong ya gompieno thobo ya rona e nngwe e bolela kwa masimo.

E bolela kwa masimo ka gore re a e tlola, ga re e reke, jaanong re kgatlhwa ke tse di tswang kwa ntle, hence this huge madi a re a duelang kwa melelwaneng a makgetho.
Ke ne ke re a Batswana ba tseye se e le gore ke pulelo ya dikgwebo tse di potlana tse ba ka di itirelang.

E ke thuto mo go rona re le Batswana, gore go re neela tshono ya gore jaanong let us produce more, ka gore demand e teng.

Goromente o a re thusa gore re se ka ra phadisana le dikompone tse di tswang kwa ntle.
Jaanong ke utlwa e le gore bangwe ba setse ba bua gore, “sennanne ga se yo a go bulwe, sennanne ga se yo a go bulwe,” sone sennanne se se seyong seo, kana go raya gore jaanong a re kgothatsaneng re le Batswana gore, let us produce more.

A re ntsheng go le gontsi, bana ba dikole ba je thobo e e tswang mo masimong a rona.
Dikgwebo tsa rona di reke thobo e e tswang mo masimong a rona, ka gore mo nakong ya gompieno go na le dipelaelo tsa gore madirelo kana mabentlele mangwe a matona ga ba reke dijo tse di tswang mo masimong a Batswana, ba reka dijo tse di tswang kwa masimong a a tswang kwa mafatsheng a sele.

Go raya gore jaanong re tlhamela bao ditiro, fa ba rona bone ka kwano e tlaa nna babogedi fela.
Ke tsaya gore tshwetso e Goromente a e tsereng ya gore a re nameng re tswetse pele go babalela tse re di ntshang, ke dumalana le yone.

Ke nako ya gore jaanong re eme ka dinao, re rotloetse banana gore bongwanaka tsenang mo kgwebong.

Go ntse fela jalo le ka mashi… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR AUTLWETSE: Mashi mo lefatsheng la Botswana a a tlhaela.
Re ka kgona go oketsa mashi fela fa e le gore jaaka fa mananeo a le teng ba ba gamang dikgomo di le 40 ba ka thusiwa ba oketsa, ba ba batlang go simolola le bone ba ka thusiwa ba simolola.

I yield for clarification.

1 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT (MR SHAMUKUNI): Clarification Mr Speaker.

Honourable Autlwetse o e tshwere sentle mogolole.


Fa o tsena mo wholesales o fitlhela shelves di le empty, gotwe ga go na ditamati le green peppers.

Mme fela fa o tswela kwa ntle ga wholesales tseo mo stalls tsa Batswana ba ba kwa ntle, o fitlhela dilo tseo di le teng and in very ample supply.

Go ya ka wena fela golo mo go dirwa ke eng?

you MR AUTLWETSE: Thank very much mokaulengwe.


Golo mo go dirwa ke gore, bagwebi ba re nang le bone mo lefatsheng la Botswana ga ba batle go reka mo Batswaneng ba rekisa.

Ba senka gore ba reke kwa mafatsheng a sele, tse di rekisiwang ke Batswana ga ba di batle.

Jaanong kare a ba lesiwe ba ntse jalo, re le Batswana re tlaa ja tse di tswang mo masimong a ga rona, go fitlhelela lebaka le ba tlaa bonang gore ga go na kwa ba ka rekang dilo tse teng, fa e se ba reke tse di diriwang ke Batswana.
Go ntse fela jalo le kwa kgaolong ya ga Motlotlegi Shamukuni, ditlhapi di teng, mme dishopo tse re nang le tsone mono le fa Motswana a ka tla ka cooler e na le ditlhapi di le 500 ga ba ka ke ba di reka.

Ba reka fela tse di tswang kwa mafatsheng a sele.

Jaanong seemo se re tshwanetse go nna lehufa, ra babalela dikgwebo tsa ba ga rona.
Fela jaaka e tsamaelana le ya gore, ke dumalana ka botlalo gore tshwetso e Goromente a e tsereng ya gore, le dikonteraka tsa rona, a re dira projects tsa Constituency Community Projects (CCP), tsa Ipelegeng, national projects, tsotlhe a re lebeng Batswana.

Ke yone nako ya gore re rutuntshe our local artisans gore ba tsene mo kgwebong.
Re bo re ikemisetse gore diphoso tse ba di dirileng re le Mapalamente ga re a tshwanela go di tseela kwa godimo, re tseye Setswana se se reng, “morogo wa ngwana wa ngwana ga o tlhaolwe dithoka,” re ba rutuntshe ba tsene mo kgwebong.

Ke gone fela ka jalo dikompone tse di tswang kwa ntle tse re tlaa di ragelang kwa ntle, Batswana pele!

A re tseyeng kgang ya gore Batswana pele, batswakwa re tlaa ba bona, fela jaaka le fa e le gore kwa ga bone ga ba ka ke ba rontsha ba ga bone ba tsholela rona.
Re ja matlhotlhora, beng ba lefatshe ke bone ba jang tse di kwa godimo.

Le rona a re direng jalo, se re nang le sone a re bone fa e le gore a go tle Batswana pele, merafe e sele kwa morago.

E seng jalo re tlaa nna lefatshe le e tlaa reng phelelong Batswana e bo e le gore tiro ya bone gongwe ke go bina kwasakwasa fela, fa mafatshe a mangwe jaanong ba gweba mo lefatsheng la rona.

Ke kgang e ke e buang e Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Motlakase re ka o dira le ka wind, re ka dira wa phefo.
Ke dilo tse dintsi tse re ka di dirang, mme a banana re leke go ba bontsha gore, ga se gore fa ba ya dikoleng… bona gompieno balemisi ba re ba alosang mo dikoleng tsa rona, re alosa balemisi ba e leng gore ga ba tsamaye mo bolemeng.

Masimo ke a a fa Sebele, ga go lengwe, kana ke yone education with production.

Bana ba ba kwa Botswana University of Agriculture and Natural Resource (BUAN) ga ba a tshwanela go ka bo ba reka dijo, ba ka bo ba di itirela.
Ga ba a tshwanela go ka bo ba reka mashi, ba ka bo ba a itirela, e le on the job training.

Jaanong le letsatsi loora leng, training le tumelo ya bone ke gore fa ba fetsa, Goromente o tshwanetse a ba hire.

Fa Goromente a sa ba hire, ke kgang e sele.

MR MAJAGA: Elucidation.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke a go leboga Motlotlegi Tona.

O e tshwere sentle ka education with production, e e leng gore tota fa o lebelela makalana ka bontsi, ga e yo.
Gongwe motho o ka tshwaela kana a go botsa gore o ne o re e kare mo Budget yone e, le fa re itse gore go na le madi a a budgeted for dilo tsone tseo, o ne o sa bone gore gongwe maphata a simolole gompieno?

Nako e ile mme dikgang tse di tshwanang le tse o di buang tse di tshwanetse, ke tsone tse di batlegang gore banana ba tle mo dipolaseng, ba ye masimong, ba dire tse tsotlhe.

O ne o sa bone go le maleba gore go simololwe gompieno, madi a tlaa nna a ntse a tsomiwa?

Thank you sir.
Thank you sir.

MR AUTLWETSE: Thank you Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Honourable Majaga o nkutlule sentle, Batswana go bolelelwa ruri gotwe ngwana wa koma o utlwa koma ka molodi.

Ga a nkutlwa ka tsa ga monna wa Morolong Morakile, o nkutlwile ka tsone tse a tshwanelwang ke gore a nkutlwe ka tsone.

Nako ke yone e ka gore maphata otlhe a Puso, all Government ministries di a reka.
Re natefelelwa ke go reka dilo tse di tswang kwa ntle mo e leng gore le fa ke apere bakinyana e tshwana le e ke e apereng e, fa ke botswa gotwe o e rekile kae, ke bo ke re kwa Afrika Borwa.

Potso ya ntlha ke gore o tlaa ya teng leng o ntlele?

Fa ke ka re nnyaa e segwa ke mosadi mongwe fa Nata fale, karabo e nna ehe!

Ke gore bontle jwa baki ele jaanong bo timetse, ga e sa tlhole e le ntle fela ka lebaka la gore e dirwa kwa Nata.
E ne e lebega e le ntle ka tsholofelo ya gore e rekilwe golo gongwe kwa ntle ga lefatshe la Botswana.

Jaanong selo se ke sone... HONOURABLE Honourable Autlwetse.

MEMBER: Clarification MR AUTLWETSE: …selo se ke sone se Goromente wa ga Domkrag a neng a re mind-set, mme ke rona e leng gore re ka dira... 2 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) MR SPEAKER: Clarification sought.
MR AUTLWETSE: Ke setse ke siilwe ke nako, ke saletswe ke two minutes fela, mma e re fa ke ka kgona go gorosa kgang ya me, ke tle ke go letlelele mokaulengwe, ga ke go tseye ka lepe.

Re tshwanetse mo nakong ya gompieno re bontshe Batswana gore tota kwa re tshwanetseng go ya teng ke kwa kae.

Dilo tse re di dirang di dintsi, re ka dira cooking oil ka mahura a morama more so that market o teng mo ministry o ke leng mo go one wa Local Government.

Re fepa bana ba dikole mme dilo tse re di lebela kwa tlase.
Re a di nyenyafatsa fela ka lebaka la gore e setse e le tlwaelo, go mo mading a rona gore re ka a ja fela tse di tswang kwa ntle mme banana ba teng ba ba nang le dikitsokitso.

Fela se se leng teng ba tlhoka rona re le Batlotlegi Mapalamente gore a e re re tshwere diphuthego mo Dikgotleng, re rotloetse bana ba gore ba dire jang.

Re thuse le ka madi one a CCP gore kwa masimo mo clusters, re ba epele didiba.
Ka nako e ke neng ke le Mopalamente kwa Serowe North, ke epile didiba di le four, sa bo five ke tlogetse ke se goketse ka marang a letsatsi.

That is the way to go.

Bagaetsho, mo go tse di amang ministry wa me jaaka ke utlule batlotlegi ba di bua tsa decentralisation, ke tlaa tla ke re tseo in my Committee of Supply ke feta ka tsone.

Mma ke se ka ka senya nako ya gompieno ka gore ke bue ka tsone ka gore time is not on my side.
Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, mme ke ka... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga o mphe o ise o tsamaye?

MR SPEAKER: It is addressed to you Honourable Minister.

Do you allow him?

MR AUTLWETSE: Ke a letla rra.

MR HIKUAMA: Clarification.

Honourable Autlwetse ke a leboga.

Ke lebogela presentation e e botlhale, ke ne ke bona o e tshwere sentle tota.
Go ya ka wena fela, ke ne ke re ke botse gore institutions tsa bo BUAN le tse di tshwanetseng gore di dire dijo le go itirela dilo, o bona go tlhaela eng, go ka dirwa eng gore di kgone go dira dilo tse sentle?

Ke a leboga.

MR AUTLWETSE: Ke dumela ke re ke tlhalositse gore lefatshe le teng.

Mmu o re nang le one mo lefatsheng la Botswana, ke one o o kwa Afrika Borwa, Zambia le Namibia.
Se se leng teng fela ke mind-set change gore Batswana ba itse gore fa ba sena go rutwa kwa dikoleng tsone tse, e re fa a leba mmu, a bone gore ke gone fa ke ka hirwang teng fa.

A se ka a leba kwa go epe office ya Puso gore ke gone kwa thuso ya me e ka tswang teng.

Se se ka diragala fela fa e le gore jaaka fa Motswana a tle a re kgetsi ya tsie e kgonwa ke go tshwaraganelwa, a re tshwaraganeleng selo se.
Re rute Batswana gore o ka rua ditlhapi tsa go tshedisa… MR SPEAKER: Your time is up Honourable Minister.

Thank you very much.

MR AUTLWETSE: You are most welcome.

MR SPEAKER: The slot that we are at, it is supposed to be for the opposition but there is nothing handed to me in the form of names.

Let me read to you what Standing Order 10.3 (b) and (iii) says.
The heading is; the functions of the Whips shall include “submit to the Speaker names of Members to speak on a designated subject in the interest of quality and/or specialised debate.” HONOURABLE MEMBER: Kgafela o tsholeditse Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: He is not the Member of the opposition.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, ga o bone sentle, rola digalase.

MR SPEAKER: May we have order please.

Let us have order Honourable Ramogapi.


(iii) Liaison with the Speaker’s office with respect to the arrangement of the business of the House and to this end, will be Members of the Business Advisory Committee.” Se molao wa rona o se buang ke gore Honourable Kablay o tlisitse maina a batho ba gagwe.

Honourable Motsamai ga a tlisa maina mme ke setse ke digela list ya ga Honourable Kablay.
Fela jaaka ke e digela, I will be calling upon the Honourable Minister responsible for the chapter to respond to the debate.

Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Maun Botlhaba, that is your slot comrade.

MR MOTSAMAI: Procedure.

Mr Speaker, ke ne ka dira thulaganyo ya gore ke kopane le ba ofisi ke ba itsise gore ga re ne re submit list, lebaka e le gore kgang e e buegang e ya Budget, mongwe le mongwe o entitled go akgela mo go yone.
So rona we resorted to go tsholetsa diatla, o re bona kana le re bona, fela jaaka le ntse le tla le re supa le re bona.

Re santse re ntse re tsholetsa Mr Speaker, o se ka wa fela pelo.

Re a tsholetsa fela jalo, ba bangwe ba kwadile, ba bangwe ba a tsholetsa Morena.

3 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Member for Ghanzi South, I was just flagging a warning.
I am not too far away from calling upon the Honourable Minister responsible for the chapter.

Honourable Member for Maun East.

MR KEKGONEGILE (MAUN EAST): Thank you Mr Speaker, mme re dumedise batlotlegi le setšhaba ka kakaretso.

Re mo go yone Kabo Madi ya 2022/2023.


Go buiwa thata ka Honourable Serame e le motho wa mme, e le boammaaruri e le motho wa mme mme gone mo boitumelong jo bo kana go nne le dipotso tse dintsinyana gore naare gone mme ke eng e tlaa nna motho wa mme wa ntlha morago ga dingwaga tse 55?
A ga se gore gongwe ba ba ntseng ba tshwere jaaka ba tshwere, ba ntse ba beile batho ba bomme ka fa mosing ka bomo kana ka tsamaiso ya bone e e leng gore ga e lebelele bokgoni jwa bone le gore a ke batho ba ba ka bong ba ka kgona go nna gone foo?

Gape re tla re re ngwao jaaka go a tle go buiwe, ke selo se se tsamaelang kwa pele.

Culture is dynamic, progressive and it is not archaic.
Ke selo se se tsamaelang kwa pele gore ditlhabololo fa di ntse di goroga mo mothong, le ngwao le yone e ntse e a tlhabologa.

Batho ba borre thatathata ka fa tsamaisong yone e ya ba ba tshwereng setilo, nako ya gore ba iphitlhe ka monwana ka ngwao le ka patriarchy gore setlhako go lela sa ga rre fela mo Africa, e tlodilwe ke dipeba.

Gone moo fela ka bogone go raya gore batho ba bomme le bone ba na le tshwanelo ya gore ba bo ba ka nna mo ditilong tse di rileng fa ba di deserve, ba na le bokgoni.
Rona tota fa e ne e le mo Pusong ya rona, re lebile gore kwa parties tsa rona kwa re setse re kile ra nna le Vice President (VP) tsa bomme, chairpersons, treasurers le bo Deputy Secretary General ba bomme, ke selo se e e leng gore fa Batswana ba ne ba sa itia ka bone ba ba itiileng ka bone ba, re ka bo re sa bolo gongwe re tsamaya mo legatong la bobedi la Tautona wa mme mo lefatsheng.

Motho o ka ipotsa gore, a go kotama setilo ga ga Honourable Serame, it is worth celebrating.
Kana motho fa a ka tsaya mafoko a ga Mopalamente wa pele wa Francistown, Comrade Vain Mamela, o ne a etle a re moDomkrag wa rre le moDomkrag wa mme, tsamaiso ya bone e a tshwana.

A o ka tla o le mme, mme fela gone o gorogela mo tsamaisong ya Domkrag e e rigid, ga e na room for improvement, e e leng gore nako ya gompieno dikakanyo tsa teng le ditsamaiso tsa teng di tlodilwe ke dipeba.
Re ka tsaya sekai fela ka 2019 maloba fa ke ne ke ntsha Motion mo citizenship Palamente e o dumela, e rona kwa ga rona gantsinyana re e bitsang re re “Njambinikwatere,” e e leng gore motho o citizenless mo lefatsheng, mme Palamente ya dumela.

Gompieno re mo go 2022, yo o tshwanelwang ke gore o ka bo a fetotse molao, ke motho wa mme, ke Honourable Anna Mokgethi.

Jaanong fa tsamaiso e go kganela, e go gana, whether o mme kana o rre, ga go na botswelo, go tshwana fela.
Ke sone se re ipotsang gore is it worth celebrating.

Gape fa re leba budget e, re bona e le tswelelopele ya charge sheet e e sa bolong go simolola go tswa kgakala mme thatathata go simolola ka 2020 e simolola ka Honourable Matsheka, re re ke charge sheet.

Go nna le dikatlholo tse dintsinyana tsa lekgetho, le oketsega; bo Value added Tax (VAT), bo eng ba oketsega, metlakase le yone e simolola go nna le makgetho a ka nna mararo a le four mo bill e le nngwefela.
Gompieno the park fees go tsena fela mo Chobe National Park, Moremi Game Reserve, ditlhwatlhwa tsa teng di oketsegile 380 per cent for the citizens.

O ipotsa gore naare gone mme 380 per cent mo mading a Ipelegeng, batho ba na le dingwaga tse di kanakana ba sena letseno, gone batho ba ba tshela ka bojanala koo, bojanala bo ole, jaanong fa o oketsa ditlhwatlhwa tse di kanakana tse, go raya gore o bo diga le go feta.

Kana ke tsamaiso ya Domkrag; whether ke mme kana ke rre go tshwana fela.
Re tla gape re lebelela dikgang tse di tshwanang ditsela tsa bo Nata-Maun, Sehithwa-Mohembo gore se se neng se ntse se buiwa mo dingwageng tse pedi tse di fetileng tsa bo go agiwa ka Public Private Partnership (PPP), Honourable Serame o tsweledisa tsone dikgang tseo, tsa gore re ya go e aga ka PPP.

Re dumela gore budget ke Bill, ke molao o e leng gore gatwe mo dikgweding tse 12 tse, re tlaabo re dira se.
Fa e le gore Honourable Serame o ya go bua dikgang tse e leng gore o a itse gore mo dikgweding tse 12 ga di na go diragala, ke yone tsamaiso fela e e teng ya Domkrag e e tsweledisitsweng ke motho wa mme.

Ka fa Domkrag e dirang dilo ka teng, tota yone it has no reform potential, whether o motho wa mme kana wa rre, RESET Agenda ya bone e e tlhokafalang fela ke gore Batswana ba e tseele tshwetso, ba e ntshe.
Mma re lebelele yone budget implications in the broader sense, re lebelele projects kgatlhanong le local empowerment.

Kana go na le selelo se se tona thata sa gore projects tsa rona jaaka re di dira mo lefatsheng jaana, jaaka di ntshetswa madi, di diragala morago 4 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

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A ke CCP, a ke project e e mo Ipelegeng, a ke projects tse di tona tse di tshwanang tsa bo dikole bo ditsela, marogo, they are handed morago ga nako.

Gone moo fela go raya gore go na le price and budget implications.

Gantsinyana fa o ne o tshwanelwa ke go fetsa ntlo ya gago ka May, o bo o ya go e fetsa ka December, go raya gore ditlhwatlhwa tsa go dira selo sa go nna jalo, di a oketsega.
Ke yone 30 per cent ya wastage e e buiwang e, go sa kgathalesge gore ke project e tona kana e e nnyennyane, go tshwana fela.

Re bone maloba gotwe Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Board (PPADB) jaanong ga e sa tlhole e tsena mo projects tse, di isiwa kwa ministry gore Accounting Officers ke tsone tse di tlaabong di diragatsa projects tse.

Motho o ipotsa gore a mme bothata ke PPADB kana ke ka fa re dirang dilo ka teng, go tswa fela gone kwa ministry, kana kwa officer e e kwa kgaolong, kana jang.
Kana re ne re na le lebaka la gore re ntshe projects tse kwa ministres re di ise kwa PPADB.

A lebaka la teng ga le sa tlhole le le teng, kana ra re re le kgonne jaanong ga go sa tlhole go tlhokafala PPADB.

Kana legale se re se dirang ke gore jaaka re ntse re kua thata ka gore badirelapuso ba tswe mo tenders, ba tswe mo go gwebeng le Goromente, jaanong re ntsha kgwebo le Goromente ya babereki mo babereking ba ba kwa tlase, re e isa kwa Matoneng le senior management ba civil service.
A mme ga re ipone e le gore jaanong corruption fale ka e ne e diragala e le ntsinyana ka dipalo, gompieno e ya go diragala e le ntsinyana ka bokete jwa madi.

Dilo tse di batla gore Honourable Serame fa o ntse o ntsha madi jaana, o di ele tlhoko.

We welcome decision ya gore CCP e dirwe fela ke citizens.

Kana rona ba re leng kwa tennyanateng, lefoko ‘citizens’ le re baya ka fa mosing ka gore citizen kana go tewa motho a kgona go tswa mo Gaborone a bo a ya Maun a ya go dira project, ke citizen.
Rona re ne re tseela gore CCP gongwe re ka bo re dirisitse lefoko ‘locals’ mo go yone, e seng citizens; gore they are reserved strictly for locals.

Gompieno fa o dirisa lefoko locals mme o le tswakanya le citizen, ke bothata ka gore le bone ba go bolelela gore they are locals.

Jaanong le batla gore the definition ya lefoko local re le tlhaloganye rotlhe gore ope a se ka a tla a tsenya citizen mo local.
Kana CCP is only 0.3 per cent of the development budget, mo go rayang gore still, 99.7 per cent of the Development Budget e ntse e tswela kwa batswakweng.

Ke sone se re reng go oketsweng lemme la benggae mo go tsamaiseng Development Budget.

A re oketseng… ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MR MOLEBATSI): On a point of clarification.
Ka bofefo, o lemogile mokaulengwe gore Motlotlegi Serame o ne a re the budget for CCP will be reserved for contractors in the immediate locality?

A mme ga e arabe sone se o se batlang se o reng locals gona le citizen?

E bua ka tsone dikonteraka tse di mo motseng one oo.

A ga go arabe matshwenyego a gago motlotlegi?

Ke a leboga.

MR KEKGONEGILE: Tanki Honourable Molebatsi.


Ga go arabe matshwenyego ame ka gore, gompieno fa re lebelela, e se ka lepe fela, the Chinese have taken over the market in Gaborone, and Gaborone locals have moved to Maun.

They have set up in Maun, now they are calling themselves immediate local contractors within Maun.

Bana ba Maun ba di local bone ba ka fa mosing.

Go raya gore bone jaanong ba ye kwa bo Gumare, bo Shakawe.

Ba Shakawe le Gumare ba ya kae; ba ye kwa bo Tubu.

A kwa bo Tubu go na le projects?


Ke sone se ke se buang ke re fa o re ‘immediate’ as long as o sa e tlhalosa, re batla gore e nne issue ya gore a e nne batho who originate fa.

At least kwa CCP, mme re bo re boa re e oketsa gape kwa Development Budget ya maintenance gore a e se ka ya nna locals fela, le gone fa e le gore re ya go ba fa seabe sengwe sa maintenance, that immediate a a tlhalosiwe.
Go nne a certain percentage from this Development Budget ya maintenance e e leng gore immediate yo o tlhalositsweng yoo, o nna le seabe mo go yone.

Otherwise re ya go nna re baya selo se le sengwefela fela, ba bangwe ba itumela, ba bangwe ba sa itumele.

Gape Honourable Serame, re re kana the finished products tsa projects tse le quality ya tsone ke bothata fela.

Re setse re bona projects tse di tona, dikole di sena marinfose (burglar proof).
Re setse re bona tsone tse tsa bo CCPD, ditanka tsa di Jojo di pegiwa fa godimo ga terata, ga o ka ke wa pega metsi fa godimo ga terata.

Metsi ke selo se se bokete mo e leng gore fa o dirile disenkenyana, o bo o re o pega Jojo gone foo, fa e tlala fela e a diga, e a phatlola, we are back to square one.

Re tshwanelwa ke go dira dilo tse di tlaa diregang.

Fa o lebelela bus ranks tsa bo Mahalapye, fa e fela dibase di re di a tsena, pula e na gangwefela, go ile fela jalo.
Re tshwanela ke go dira dilo tse di diregang, tse di kgatlhang, di na le boleng mo mading a, otherwise, re ya go nna re dira shololoviya fela e re yang go nna re dikologa golo go le gongwefela.

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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Re bua gape ka Directorate of Intelligence and Security (DIS), Honourable Serame gore a ko DIS e tswe from the projects.
Gompieno go ntse go duelwa P112 million dikompone tse dingwe tse intelligence report e neng ya supa gore ga ba a tshwanela gore ba ka bona projects.

Court ya re intelligence report e bua se sele se e leng gore ga se amane le projects ka gope.

A DIS e tswe from the projects, e re busetsa kwa morago, projects ga di tsamaye, go engwe golo go le gongwefela ka go santse go emetswe gore DIS e tlise intelligence report e e tsayang dingwaga tse dintsintsi.
Cost overruns di nna teng, a re ntsheng DIS from the projects.

E bile gape a re ntsheng DIS mo public service appointments.

Maloba go ne go buiwa ka Coordinator kwa Institute of Development Management (IDM), e le gore o a theogela, ga a theogele, intelligence report ya re ga se motho yo o ka theogelang.

Rona kwa Maun, re digela ngwaga re sena Molaodi le Senior Assistant Council Secretary (SACS), go santse go emetswe intelligence report ya gore go ka tla ga tsena mang.
Ke ipotsa gore naare batho ba e leng gore gongwe ke Bathusa Balaodi le ACS, ga se gore gongwe ba tseye dikarata tsa lona fela botoka ba ye go di diga fa pele ga DIS, mme ba itse gore ga ba ye go le tlhopha, gongwe projects di tlaa tsamaya mo lefatsheng… MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Clarification.

Thank you very much Honourable Member.


Ga ke a go utlwa sentle golo fa, a wa re kwa Maun ga le na Mothusa Mokwaledi wa Khansele ka gore go santse go emetswe ba intelligence gore ba tlise report gore a go ka hirwa Mothusa Mokwaledi wa Khansele?

Ke ne ke batla o e papamatsa ka gore ga ke a e utlwa sentle.

Thank you.

MR KEKGONEGILE: Tanki Honourable Healy, kwa Maun rra, ga re na Molaodi le SACS.
Ke posts tse di tona tse di tladiwang kwa Directorate of Public Service Management (DPSM), go rerisantswe le Office of the President (OP).

Ke posts tse go dirwang intelligence check pele ga di tladiwa.

Jaanong rra, ga re na batho bao, kgang ke yone eo.

Re fete re tsene mo budget le research, kana fa re batla go dira a knowledge-based economy, re tshwanetse go nna le research-based interventions.
Gompieno re na le mathata a gore go berekwa fela, ga go na le fa e le research e e dirwang, mme kana dipatlisiso tsa go diragatsa ditlamelo, ke yone backbone ya every development undertaking.

Fa go sena maikaelelo mo go Goromente gore dilo tse di ka diragala, fa go sena babereki ba ba dirang dipatlisiso tse go bona gore Goromente service e a e isang kwa bathong ke ya boleng jo e leng yone, a mme e na le maduo, gone moo fela ka bogone, ga re ka ke ra nna le knowledge-based economy.
Fa re sena monitoring and improvement for efficiency of our programmes, ga re ka ke ra nna le knowledge- based economy.

Fa re sena ba ba kgonang go tsena mo setšhabeng, ba tlhodumela gore a mme mananeo a rona a a kgotsofatsa, a goroga jaaka rona re ikaelela gore a goroge, ga re ka ke ra nna le yone knowledge-based economy.
Go tlhokafala gore e simolole gone foo because monitoring and evaluation ke yone e dirang gore fa re re ya go nna le economy e e ka diragatswang ka dikitso tse di rileng, gone fa, re bo re fetile teng pele e le yone foundation.

Re bo re ka boa ra ya go tsena mo ditalenteng, skills, mo go eng tse re ka di gasang, batho ba itshetsa ka tsone.

Fa re ise re fete fa, ke mathata.

Gone fa Honourable Serame, go batla gore research e nne konokono ya dikgang tsa ga Goromente.
Re tlhasetswe ke borukutlhi lefatshe le ka bophara.

Go ntsha madi batho ba ya go a berekela, ba itirela ditsabone, fa ba tsena kwa malwapeng a bone, ba a tlhaselwa.

Mo mebileng mo fa ba tswa ditirong, ba a tlhaselwa ba tseelwa ditsabone.

Kwa diofising kwa fa ba santse ba theogetse, ba re ba a produce, ba a tlhaselwa, ba tseelwa ditsabone.

Golo mo go a gakala e bile fa o bona re setse re export le dirukutlhi kwa bo South Africa jaana, go a gakala go ya kwa godimo.
Ga re utlwe lentswe la ga Honourable Mmusi, I think sengwenyana ga se diragale sentle.

Go batla gore Honourable Serame, re invest mo crime prevention, mo go lwantsheng borukutlhi mo lefatsheng la rona ka gore bo tsere phekelo e sele.

Police visibility e tshwanelwa ke go nna teng, re oketse palo ya mapodise, police stations le police posts tse di leng teng.

Re tlogele diemo tse di tshwanang le tsa bo Maun kwa Boseja, go na le police post ke e ga e na koloi le phone.
Batho ba Modimo o ipotsa gore fa ba tshwanelwa ke to react gone foo, ba dira jang, ba communicate jang, hei!

Ke mathata fela.

Re oketse technology e e tlhokafalang gore re kgone go tswelela re tshela.

Ke nako Honourable Mmusi ya gore re sekaseke gore setšhaba se nne le ditlhobolo, se itshireletse, ga le kgone to defend setšhaba.

Mapodise a a leng teng a, ga a kgone gore a bo a le everywhere because magodu jaanong a tsere phekelo e sele ya gore a a tlhasela.
A batho ba fiwe ditlhobolo gangwefela ba itshireletse Honourable Mmusi.

Stock theft, e tsere phekelo e sele mo jaanong batho ba setse ba tsere ditshwetso tsa gore they will defend their property.

Fa ba defend property ya bone jalo, ba tsena mo molatong wa go gobatsa le go bolaya magodu a. E le kgang e e totobiwang, e buiwa ngwaga le ngwaga, e buiwa letsatsi le letsatsi.

Ke nako ya gore re nne le a fully-fledged stock theft unit.
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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): Clarification.

Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Rre Kekgonegile.

Kana there are two sides of the same coin, gongwe ke tle ke botse ka ntlha e e botlhokwa e o fetileng ka yone ya gore a setšhaba se fiwe ditlhobolo se itshireletse mo borukutlhing.
The two sides of the same coin ke gore kana dirukutlhi tse le tsone ke bontlha bongwe jwa setšhaba, they are also citizens ba bangwe.

Kana go raya gore le bone dirukutlhi ba tlaabo ba fodile mo line ba batla ditlhobolo, go ya go dira tiro ya bone sentle ka botlalo.

Fa re e lebile jalo, a mme e tlaare berekela Rre Kekgonegile ka gore borukutlhi ga bo a kwalwa mo phatleng?

Gongwe ba bangwe ba ntse ba tlhoka tsone gore ba nne dirukutlhi, ba bo ba tla ba bona phatlhanyana eo.
Ke se ka ka go jela nako, tanki.

MR KEKGONEGILE: Tanki Vice President (VP), ke boammaaruri, there are always two sides of a coin, mme kana lenaneo lengwe le lengwe, le na le golo mo go bidiwang gotwe means test.

Ga re ka ke ra fa motho tlhobolo fela, re tshwanelwa ke gore re bo re itse gore motho yo ke mang, fa a gola o ne a gola ka tsela e e ntseng jang, boitsholo jwa gagwe bo ntse jang.

Ga e ka ke ya fiwa mongwe le mongwe, go tlaa nna le means test VP.
Re tsene mo dikgannyeng tsa bobereki, ke dikgang tse Honourable Leader of the Opposition (LOO) a di buileng, a di gatelela ka bophara gore bobereki jwa rona go sa kgathalesege gore a ke public service kana private sector, bo ka fa mosing.

Go na le lebaka go buiwa ka gore go tlaa baakanngwa melao, jaaka re tlwaetse, le ngwaga o Minister o o tlang Honourable Shamukuni, o tlaabo a re bolelela gore o ya go baakanya melao.
O tlaabo a re bolelela gore ka July o tlisa molao, July o ya go feta, kana o beile mo go reng July o appear ngwaga le ngwaga, ga re itse.

Kgang ke gore babereki ba ka fa mosing, our legislation is pro business and employer.

Nako ya gore re ntshe Department of Labour mo go tsamaiseng dikgang tsa ditsheko tsa pereko, ga e a bolo go feta.

A re direng mo go tshwanetseng.


Re tlaabo re ntse re le emetse le bua jaaka le bua, ka 2024 re tlaabo re gakolola babereki gore go ne go na le Tona yo o buile jaana, yo o buile jaana, bone ba ba tlholang ba raya babereki ba ba re le ka nowa moro ba, ka gore le tseela gore fa le ba rile serwenyana golo gongwe ba tlaa tlhola ba ntse ba goga babereki.

Babereki ba ikutlwetse, ba iponetse, ga ba sa tlhole ba utlwa ka ope yo o tshwereng serwe gore ke ene a ka ba akanyetsang, ba a ikakanyetsa.
Dirang mo go tshwanetseng babereki.

Fa o lebelela dikgang tsa kwa dikgaolong kwa, terrain ya rona kwa bo North West e bokete.

Fa le emisitse gore babereki ba ba tswang kwa Kwai, Mababe, Sankoyo, Somelo, Seronga, Beetsha, Gudigwa, Xangwa le Xaxa ga le sa tlhole le ba isa kgwedi fa e fela gore ba ka ya go itshetsa, ke mathata ka gore ditsela tsele ga di tsamaege.

Ga gona ope Maofit kana Corolla e e tsamayang fale, mme kana re a itse gore dituelo ga di yo, they can only afford Corolla and Maofit.
Ga se tse di tsamayang mo ditseleng tse, di a tlhotlhorega.

Mo go rayang gore go emisa lenaneo leo fela Honourable Autlwetse le Honourable Molao, le bolaile babereki thata mo dikgaolong.

Ga go sa tlhole go na le botshelo, sekasekang gore le busetse lenaneo la go nna jalo.

Maloba le buile ke National Employment Policy, rona re ne re tsaya gore jaanong le simolola go itharabologelwa, gore itsholelo without mmereki ga se sepe.
National Employment Policy e fa o e lebelela, o bo o lebelela ka fa go rileng tuu!

ka teng mo go baakanyeng melao e e ka tsamaisang National Employment Policy e, o a bona gore ga le a ithuta sepe.

Le mo go jeng babereki ka leleme o kare madila.

Gone moo fela ka bogone ga go ka ke ga re thusa mo itsholelong ya rona go fitlhelela re dira mo go tshwanetseng.

A re emeleng dikgang tsa babereki ka dinao.


Bo Performance Management and Delivery Unit (PEMANDU); kana le ipata ka gore PEMANDU ga e ka ke ya diragadiwa ga gona madi.

Dikgang tse di mo PEMANDU, ga se dikgang tsa madi fela.

Go na le dikgang tse e seng tsa madi tse di mo PEMANDU, tse di tlhokafalang gore di ka lebelelwa, tsa rarabololwa.

Matshelo a babereki a nna botoka, ba malwapa a bone a tshela.

E re fa madi a ya go goroga le dira tsa madi within PEMANDU, e bo structures di teng.
Gompieno fa e le gone le ya go simolola structures, go dira Public Service Bargaining Council, go ya go nna jang.

Le ya go tsaya ngwaga le santse le nganga ke constitution le nganga ka eng.

Mo ga constitution fa le ne le setse le feditse ka gone, e ne e re fa madi a tsena e bo e nna gore let us bargain.
Jaanong ke sone se o bonang gore fa ba le kwalela, le simolola le ba fetola fela without any consultations, without go tla go nna fa fatshe le bone le ba lebisa gore nnyaa mme mathata a re nang le one ke a. Motho o kwala fela fa a fetsa go bala lekwalo o a fetola gore, bolelela batho bao gore ga gona madi.

We are in a bargaining era, ga go sa tlhole go dirwa jaaka o rata e bile o eletsa.

Melao le tsamaiso e teng e tlhamaletse, a re berekeleng mo tsamaisong go tsamaisa lefatshe.
Re se ka ra tsamaisa lefatshe ka tšhakgalo, tenego le go sa rata bo mangmang.

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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Re tsene mo go tsa thuto Mr Speaker, re leboge ba Sankoyo Primary School gore ba bo ba bone 100 per cent.

Dikole tsa Maun East di tsere 1 up to 9 mo North West tsa primary, re leboga thata.

There is a room for improvement, re tlaa tswelela re ntse re ba rotloetsa gore ba tokafatse.
Re tsene mo dikgannyeng tsa secondary, Maitamo Junior Secondary School e tswa kgakala e ntse e eteletse pele ngwaga le ngwaga mo North West mo secondary schools.

Though the percentage ga e wele sentle, mme re na le tsholofelo ya gore ngwaga o o tlang o, ka dikgwetlho go lebega di tlaabo di se kalokalo ba tlaa tokafatsa.

Tsodilo Secondary School standard sa yone se ole, e kile ya bo e le yone e tshwereng maemo a.

Re tsaya gore re tlaa ba rotloetsa go tlaa bereka.


Gape re re lebelelang curriculum e; curriculum ya bana ba sekole is just too congested.

Lebelelang pass rates tse le di beileng.

Ke gore fa o beilwe gore 77 per cent is a (C) 77 per cent is a high mark., fa o re ke (C) jaanong (D) e ya go nna eng.

Ke sone se o bonang gompieno go tletse (E) le (U) .
Ke gore fa gotwe ngwana o dira subjects tse 9, mme tse di markiwang fela di 6, a bo a sa kwale subject e nngwefela a kwala tse 8 o bo o mmeela (U), what are you saying.

A re sekasekeng dilo, re tlogele go bolaya bana ba le bannyennyane.

We are breeding dirukutlhi fa re rialo, a re ageng bana re ba dire e nne batho.

Re tsene mo dikannyeng tsa Health.

Re na le mathata kwa Letsholathebe Hospital, mme re a bona gore go ntse go iwa teng.
Go santse go le kgakala, theaters and generators di santse di sa bereke le staff se santse se seyo.

Tsholofelo ya rona regarding staff, especially fa go setse go tla kwa go bo midwife, baoki, le other technicians ke gore gongwe mo National Development Plan (NDP) 12 re tlaa nna le Institute of Health Sciences (IHS) kwa Maun kwa Sepateleng sa Letsholathebe.
Le se ke la re bolelela dikgang tsa bo gore capacity tsa IHS tse dingwe ga di a tlala, ka gore they are a 1000 kilometers (km) away from us, they are 500 km away from us.

Madi a Ipelegeng ga a kgone gore a ka pega bana ba rona, ba ntse ba tla kwano for interviews ba boela kwa, ba tla kwano ba tla sekoleng.

We need an IHS, e e ka kgonang to supplement kwa Letsholathebe.

Batho ba bomme ba tlhokafala go sa tlhokafale.


Re dumela gore ke nako ya gore re nne le clinics tsa bomme, tse di lebaganyeng le malwetse le mathata a ba nang le one, a bo ba ka kgona go lebagana le dipatela tsa bone, ba tlhatswiwa kwa dipateleng tsa bone.

Re nna le dintsho tsa bomme tse di sa tlhokafaleng.

Nako 8 e gorogile ya gore mmele wa mme, e nne tshwetso ya gagwe gore o dira eng ka one.

Re le borre re tlogele go akanyetsa gore bomme ba dire eng ka mmele wa bone.
A re nneng le women’s clinic, re babaleleng matshelo a batho.

Batho ba tlhokafala go sa tlhokafale.

E bile tshwetso e ba e tsayang ka mmele ya bone le matshelo a bone, e sa re ame ka gope fela.

Mr Speaker, la bofelo re re Constitution ke e, go tsamaiwa mo.

Ga re dumalane ka fa go dirilweng ka teng, mme go siame thata gore Cabinet e iketle pele.

Mo go neng go buiwa maloba kwa Molepolole ke leloko la Cabinet a tsenya batho mo sekgweng ka dikgang tsa tshekatsheko ya Molaomotheo, a iketle.
Batswana ba tseye tshwetso ya gore ba batla go isa lefatshe la bone kae.

Mo a tlang a re ke romilwe ke bagolo go tla gore, gore, gore, ga go tlhokafale.

Batswana ke bagolo, ba a itse gore ba batla gore lefatshe la bone le ye kae.

Dikgang tse tsa bo Museveni jaaka le rona re simolotse go tsenngwa mo go tsone, Honourable Mmusi gatwe fa ba latela mongwe nako nngwe, mongwe o ne a tshega go fitlhelela ba mo latela.

Museveni o ka tswa a tlhasetse rona gompieno, mme letsatsi la gago le tlaa tla.
Act gompieno, letsatsi la gago le ise le tle.

Tanki Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O Honourable Molale ba tlaa mo latela?

raya gore le MR SPEAKER: Re a leboga Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Maun Botlhaba, re balela bo Boro, Senonnori, Matlapana le tse dingwe… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure.

thata MR SPEAKER: …next mokaulengwe wa me yo ke mo ratang, o se ka wa re malwetse a bomme, o re makoa a bomme.

Malwetse is something else, makoa a a tshwenyang bomme.

fa o bua time MR KEKGONEGILE: Tanki Mr Speaker.


MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Member.

Honourable Minister Industry, Investment and Trade, as well as Member of Parliament for Mochudi West, Honourable Kgafela.

responsible for HONOURABLE MEMBER: O se ka wa letlelela procedures Mr Speaker LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Procedure.

Mmelaelwa o setse a akgela.

Mr Speaker, ke re side remarks tse dingwe fa gongwe di tlaa re ntsha mo tseleng.
Ke raya gore go ne go feditswe fela sentle, yo a neng a bua o ne a fetsa kgang ya gagwe sentle.

Dr Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Gobotswang a bo a simolola a re le raya gore le “Molale ba tlaa mo latela.” Dikgang tse di ntseng jaana ga di a siama, di batla go nna di kgalemelwa.

Jaanong o tshasa Motlotlegi Minister leswe.

Ke a leboga.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Your Honour.


Ga o bone ke mo tlhokomologile, side remarks are not addressable.

It is a side remark.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... MR SPEAKER: Order!

The Minister is... MR TSOGWANE: Palamente e, ga se ya pele!

Palamente e, ga se ya pele, e ke ya mo setšhabeng.

Setšhaba se utlwa side remarks Mr Speaker.

Ga se Palamente ya pele.

MR SPEAKER: Ke utlwile Your Honour.

Ke utlwile morena wa me.


(MR KGAFELA): Ke a MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Fa re tsweletse pele, nako ya me e tsewa ke gore Ntlo e bo e sa tlhole e le mo tseleng.

Ke kope ke ikokobeditse gore e emisiwe go fitlhelela Ntlo e boela mo tseleng.

E tlaabo e sa ntirela sentle gore nako ya me e bo e jelwe ke bagolo, batlotlegi, ba bua tse e leng gore... MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister, please continue, you are starting on the right foot.
Nako ya gago ga e ise e senyege, please continue.

MR KGAFELA: Re utlwile Mma Serame, Bakgatla ba ga Kgafela le bone ba mo utlwile, botlhe le Batswana ka kakaretso.

Re ne re mo file tsebe sekono fa a ala kgang ya gagwe ya madi.

Ke tlaa simolola le nna ke mo akgola gore e bo e le motho wa mme lantlha mo ditsong, morago fa re tsaya boipuso gore e bo e le Tona yo o okametseng tsa Madi.

Ke dumela gore bomme ba lefatshe leno ka kakaretso, selo se se ba tliseditse boitumelo.
Se supa tsepamo le tlhwaafalo mo moeteledipeleng wa lefatshe e bong Tautona Dr Mokgweetsi Masisi.

Tlhwaafalo ya go diragatsa tse re leng lefatshe la Botswana re di dumalaneng le mafatshe a mangwe.

Dilo dingwe tse mafatshe a di itemogetseng, tse di bakang gore dikarolo dingwe tsa setšhaba sa rona di bo di saletse kwa morago, ke gore re bo re sa kabe diphatlha, jaanong di a kabiwa.

O dikile a diragaditse seo, ka go tlhopha Mma Serame gore e nne Tona yo okametseng tsa Madi mme a sa felela foo.
O tlhophile bomme ba le bantsi go kaba diphatlha tse di neng di le teng mo botsamaisapusong.

Selo seo re a se lebogela go menagane gantsi.

Ke tshwanetse ke akgolele lefatshe la Botswana mowa wa neelano Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Mowa wa go letla gore mmualebe a bue la gagwe.


Selo se se a supa gore re le Batswana, re diragatsa se Molaomotheo wa rona o se re neetseng, e bong tshwanelo ya puo; freedom of expression e tshetlana ya bolesome le bobedi ya Molaomotheo e e neelang Motswana mongwe le mongwe.

Jaanong ka go dumela mo tshwanelo e, ke ne ka reetsa batlotlegi ka go farologana gammogo le Moeteledipele wa Kganetso fa a kgwa Tona dikgaba ka pego e ya madi.

Dilo dingwe tse di buiwang gantsi di etle di kgopise, di nne botlha.
Ke kope Mapalamente le Batswana ka kakaretso gore le fa dipuo di le botlha, di kgopisa, re nne re gakologelwa gore re na le tshetlana e ya bolesome le bobedi ya Molaomotheo e e reng, “mmualebe o a bo a bua la gagwe, a letlwe.” Ke utlwile batlotlegi le ba kganetso ka mo le neng le kgwa motlotlegi dikgaba ka teng.

Maikutlo mma, a Bakgatla ba ga Kgafela a farologane jaaka re le tšhaba e gololesegileng.

Bangwe ba eme nokeng pego e, ba feletse fela foo.


Bangwe ba e eme nokeng, e bile ba a go rotloetsa, ba a go rapelela gore o dire go le gontsi go feta mo o setseng o go dirile.

Bangwe ba supa fa ba sa itumelela dilo dingwe ka ga o a di buledisa ka tlhamalalo.

Jaanong ga ba itumelele seo.

Ke nngwe ya kgololesego ya Batswana gore e re fa re atlhaatlha dikgang tse, e bo mowa o wa neelano re o eteletsa pele.
Selo se sa mowa wa neelano, ke sone se se dirang gore batlotlegi ba kgale maikutlo a Tona wa tsa Bodirelapuso a le kwa gaabo, a bua ka fa a eletsang gore Molaomotheo o tseye tsela efe.

O a kgalwa gatwe a se ka a rialo.

Ditshwanelo tse di mo Molaomotheong tse, ke tsa mongwe le mongwe, Tona, Tautona le Moeteledipele wa Kganetso.

Jaanong ga re ka ke ra mo rontsha tshwanelo eo ka gore ke Tona, a idiwa gotwe a se ka a rialo.
Selo se se supa gore bangwe ba batlotlegi ba rona, ga ba tlotle ntlhana e ya Botswana e re saleng re e simolola ka 1966, ya mowa wa neelano le go lesa mmualebe a bua la gagwe.

Jaanong ga ke itse Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente gore fa re ka etelelwa pele ke ketapele e e kgatlhanong le mowa o wa neelano le kgololesego ya puo, a mme tota ga re kitla re jela mo dikotleleng tse di magogo.
Selo se se e tla se ntshosa, Batswana ba se ele tlhoko fa se ntse se buiwa morago ga dingwaga tse tlhano tsa ditlhopho.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR KGAFELA: Iketle pele ka clarification ke boledise puo e, ke tlaa go neela fa nako e ntetla.

Tona, ke lebogela gore o bo o tsere tshwetso ya gore bokete jwa madi bo ye kwa ditlhabololong, mme go nne le phokotso ya madi 9 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) a gotweng ke Recurrent Budget.

Selo se, se a itumedisa.

Se supa gore o na le tebelopele ya gore economy e tshwanetse e eme ka dinao e tlhwaafale.

O sekamela thata kwa goreng madi a Batswana a a mo diatleng tsa gago, o a lebise ditlhabololo tse di saletseng kwa morago le tse di tshwanetseng tsa simololwa.
Ke leboga gape gore o tsere tshwetso ya gore madi a recurrent bontsi jwa one ka o ne o tlamega, o sena go le go ntsi mo o ka go dirang, o a ise kwa Lephateng la Botsogo.

Mmuso o itlamile gore ga go na Motswana ope yo o tshwanetseng a tlhoka botsogo.

E bile o itlamile gore o sireletse Batswana e le nngwe ya ntlhakgolo ya ntlha e o itebagantseng le yone.

Jaanong ga go thona gore e bo lephata la ga Rre Dikoloti le Rre Lelatisitswe, le bo le tsaya madi a mantsi.
Le tlaa rarabolola dingongora tse di kwa dikgaolong tsa tlhaelo ya badiri ba booki gammogo le didirisiwa tse di tlhokafalang.

Fa o sa tsoga, ga o ka ke wa theogela.

Ga go na sepe se o ka se dirang fa e le gore ga o a tsoga.

Ke leboga ntlha e o neng wa e bua mma.

O ne wa tlhalosa gore bokete jwa ditiro di tshwanetse go neelwa dikompone tsa Batswana tse di ikwadisitseng le lekalana la PPADB.

Re tshwanetse ra ikela tlhoko re le Batswana gore selo se gotweng kompone se, se marara.
Ke selo se se nang le bokgoni jwa go tlisa yo e seng Motswana, a felela a iphitlhile ka fa tlase ga yone.

Re aga re iponela Batswana ba itetla gore mo dikomponeng tsa bone, go nne le bangwe ba e seng Batswana.

Mo dipampiring go itshupa fa ba e seng Batswana, e le batsayaseabe ba ba kwa tlase ka molao o lebelela gore batsayaseabe mo komponeng ba bantsi ke bafe.

Fa dipampiri di supa gore ke Batswana, kompone e tlaa supiwa gore tota ke ya Batswana.
Re bo re fitlhela e le gore bangwe ka rona, batsalwa le rona, bokgaitsadiarona le bomorwarraarona, ba itetla gore ba tsene mo dithulaganyong tsa mofuta o o ntseng jalo.

Selo se, re se ele tlhoko gore se se ka sa diragala.

E re fa re diragatsa ntlhana e ya reservation ya dikonteraka to citizen-owned companies.

Mme fela ke re le yone kgang e ya madi a CCPs, ke leboga gore e bo e le gore a teng a tlaa leriwe.
Re ne re na le ketsaetsego mo nakong e e fetileng ya gore a mme a tlaa dika a lerilwe, Bakgatla ba ne ba botsa.

Fela o ntlhatswitse ngati gore o bo o rurifaditse gore madi ao a tlaa dika a le teng.

Re tlaa nna fa fatshe le baromi ba rona re sekaseke gore a dirisiwa ka tsela efe ka gore tota fela kwa pheletsong, re tshwanetse ra itebaganya le se se tlaa nonotshang itsholelo ya rona.
Nngwe ya dilo tse re bonang gore… ke ipuelela, di botlhokwa, ke nonotsho ya bobi jwa ditsela mo dikgaolwaneng tsa rona le mo lefatsheng lotlhe la Botswana ka gore ditsela ke tsone konokono ya kgarametso ya itsholelo.

Fa go sena ditsela, ga go na bogwebi, phatlalatso ya kitso le yone e felela e tlhotsa.

Jaanong ke re gongwe batlotlegi e re fa ba ntse ba sekaseka, ba lebelele thata mo go phatlalatseng bobi jwa ditsela mo dikgaolwang tsa bone.
Ke rotloetse le ene Tona wa Ditsela gore ditsela tse a di okametseng tse di kgabaganyang lefatshe ka bophara a di emele ka dinao a tlhomamise gore a di nna teng, di a phepafadiwa kgotsa di a baakanngwa tse di setseng di tlodilwe ke nako.
Ke leboga thata gore go bo go sena lekalana lepe la Puso le le kileng la ina lebogo, segolo jang Lephata la Botsogo ka re ne re itse gore le ne le lebaganwe ke namane e tona ya tiro kgapetsakgapetsa le go kopa Motlotlegi Mma Serame gore o ye go ina lebogo mo makalaneng a mangwe gore o tle o kgone gore o thuse Lephata le la Botsogo.

Ke leboga gore ga le a ka la ina lebogo mo mading a a neng a beetswe fa thoko gore a dirisiwe mo tseleng ya Malotwane.
Ke leboga gore ka se sebaka e bo e le gore rakonteraka a bo a setse a tlhomile dikara tsa megoma fale a thuthuntsha a simolotse go baakanya tsela eo.

Fela jaaka o tlhalosa mo pegong ya madi gore nngwe ya dilo tse e leng gore gangwe le gape di re busetsa kwa morago ke go retelelwa ke go sala dikonteraka tse morago sentle le go tlhomamisa gore di dira tiro ya tsone mo nakong le mo mading a di a a abetsweng.
Ke solofela gore badiri ba tsela e ya Malotwana ba tlaa se ke… kgotsa ke dirise lefoko le ke le utlwileng le dirisiwa ke batlotlegi kwa boseja ga noka, le ba neng ba re a swabise saatane, ke re mma ke kope gore borakonteraka bao le bone ba swabise saatane ba dire tiro e ka manontlhotlho.

O buile ka social welfare programmes mma.
Ke dumalana le wena gore social welfare programmes tse di teng di wela ka fa tlase ga Motlotlegi wa Dikgaolo le Tlhabololo Magae, e bo e le gore o di emetse ka dinao gore di tshegediwe, segolo jang koketso ya madi a e leng gore selelo ke se utlwaletse kgakala sa gore P100 o monnye, mme fela tota fa o mo tsaya o mo soboka mo mading otlhe a lefatshe, o tlaa fitlhela e le gore mosima o P100 oo o o epang mo sepatšheng sa gago mma Batswana ga ba itse gore ke di million-million, didikadike.
Jaanong ke re P100 o o lekile mma, re a go akgola gore o bo o dirile jalo.

Le rona re tshwanetse ra ikitaya ka thupana re le Batswana gore go se ka ga ikaegwa ka social welfare programmes, ka gore fa re sa ikaege ka tsone go tlaa go kgontsha gore o nne le madi a mantsinyana a gore fa go tlhokagala gore o di oketse e bo e le gore o oketsa seelo sa teng.

Seelo se ke 10 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) dumela gore o pitlaganngwa gore o se ka wa se oketsa ka gore re bantsi mo go sone.

Molomo e mentsi mo sekotleleng, jaanong re tshwanetse ra fokotsa melomo e. Ba re ikgonang, ba re hirilweng kgotsa re a ipereka re tlhomamise gore batsadi ba rona ga ba tsene mo social welfare programmes.
Kana kwa mafatsheng a mangwe fa motsadi wa gago a le mo social welfare programme, go tsewa fela gore o tšhonne phetelela kgotsa ka Seesemane you are insolvent, e bile ga o ka ke wa emela ofisi epe e e tlhokanang le tshepo mo go yone.

Ga o ka ke wa emela ditlhopho, ga o ka ke wa nna Mayor ka gore motsadi wa gago go supagetse gore o mo a social welfare programme.

Jaanong o tšhonne phetelela ka gore kotlo ga se ya bana fela, tlhokomelo ga se ya bana fela, go itsege e le ya bana mme ga e felele foo.
Molao wa re fa motsadi a setse a tsofetse a sa tlhole a ikgona, ngwana wa gagwe a mo tlamele.

Jaanong borra le bomma a re emeng ka dinao re tlameleng batsadi ba rona re ba ntsheng mo sekotleleng se se se kwa ga Motlotlegi Rre Kgotla Autlwetse, sa nama leoto.

Ke utlwile gape o umaka le keletso ya gore gongwe e le bontlha bongwe jwa go fokotsa bokete jo Puso e leng ka fa tlase ga bone, go sekaseka gore a mme kwa tertiary kwa a batsadi ga ba thuse.

Ke re selo se ke tlhabololo e e amogelesegang.


Nako e gorogile ya gore Batswana re se ka ra tlhola re lebelela Puso fela, le rona re itebe ka gore joko e e ya go tlhomamisa gore re le Botswana re tswelela pele re ntse re le Botswana ga re metswe ke ditšhaba tse dingwe ke ya rona rotlhe, ga se ya ga Dr Mokgweetsi Masisi a le esi kgotsa le Khuduthamaga ya gagwe, re e tshwaraganetse dikhutlong tsotlhe tse nne tsa Botswana.

Jaanong nako e tlaa goroga gore ba ine lebogo mo dipateng.
Fa e le gore motsadi o ntse a tsenya ngwana sekole kwa private school a kgona, jaanong re tshwanetse ra ipotsa gore a tlhoka go kgona jang e re fa ngwana jaanong a fetela to a tertiary school, a ya university kgotsa jalo?

Re re kana Mmuso ga o re o tlile go gobelela, go tlaa sekwasekwa gore a motsadi o a kgona kgotsa ga a kgone.

Yo o sa kgoneng e le boammaaruri a sa kgone, o tlaa tshwanelwa ke gore Puso e tswelele pele e mmelege.
Yo o ntseng a kgona e bo e re fela fa a biloga e bo e le gore jaanong all of a sudden a re ga ke sa tlhole ke kgona ke itlhotlhora maikarabelo ke a neela Puso, gongwe o ka nna a iphitlhela e le gore o a tlamega gore a thuse ngwana wa gagwe e nne ene a mo neelang allowances tse a di tlhokang gore a mo tshegetse fa a le kwa sekoleng.

Ke a go akgola mma gore o bo o kile wa ema ka dinao wa lwantsha mmaba o o neng o re apere wa gore European Union (EU) e bo e le gore they have blacklisted us.
Re ka fa tlase ga leitlho le le supang gore ga re tlhokomele ditsamaiso tsa rona tsa tsholo ya madi, re a dutla, re maputlela, mongwe le mongwe o a itsenela o itirela dilogorata a itsamaele, mme e bile go supa o kare re lefelo le e leng gore bobeeletsi jwa ba ba eletsang go balaya lesika loo-motho ka kgatlhampolo ba kgona go beeletsa mo go rona.

Ke leboga gore o ne wa reetsa ngongora eo e e neng e tswa kwa mafatsheng a sele wa re phutha.
Re le Batswana ra phuthagana ra ingwaya ditlhogo, mme ra felela re dule mo seemong se, ra bitsa batlotlegi ka lebelo la lepotlapotla, re ba kopa gore ba tle go re thusa go fetisa melao e re neng ra e fetisa mo dibekeng tse di fetileng.

Re ne re e fetisa re le ka fa tlase ga sepitlaganyane sa nako re gateletswe, mme e le gore fa re ka se ke ra e fetisa, re ya go iphitlhela e le gore re boetse mo seretseng sele sa gore ga re sa tlhole re tshephiwa.
Jaanong lefatshe la Botswana re ipela ka gore re tswa fela since 1966 re tshephiwa, go dumelwa gore re lefelo le go ka beeletswang mo go lone, le go ka gwebiwang mo go lone ka mabaka a gore le yone tsamaiso ya Puso ga go na ka letsatsi lepe le re kileng ra utlwa go twe tlhobolo e ledile.

Ntwa kgolo ke ya molomo mo lefatsheng la Botswana, mme e tlaa tswelela pele e le ya molomo.
Ke akgola Tona mongwe le mongwe yo o nnileng le karolo mo go reng a tlise molao a thuse Motlotlegi Mma Serame ka tota fela noka kgolo e tlatswa ke melatswana, gore a felele a kgonne gore a supegetse ba ditšhabatšhaba gore bagaetsho le santse le ka tswelela pele le re tshepha.
Kgang e mma ya gore go tsweng kgakala re bo re ntse re ikantse go sena tekatekano, magare kana go farologana ka tsela e e ngomolang pelo, magare ga tse rona re di rekang kwa ntle, le tse di rekwang ke ba ba kwa ntle ba di reka mo go rona, gore tota fela pharologanyo e e ngomolang pelo eo o eletsa gore o thibe phatlha e. Re simolole re ipone re le Batswana re rekisa dilo tsa rona kwa ntle ga lefatshe.

Ke re selo se ke a se go akgolela gore e bo e le gore o a se lemoga.
Nako e gorogile ya gore re le Batswana re tshwanetse ra leba dimmaraka tse di kwa ntle ga lefatshe la Botswana, fa re akanya ka bogwebi.

Ga go ka ke ga thusa sepe gore re bo re ntse re lebeletse ba ba leng teng mo gae, re ba supa ka menwana, re re yole o ja phetelela, yole o ja ka tsela e e ngomolang pelo.

Yole o a tsietsa mo dikgwebong.

Re tshwanetse ra lebelela mebaraka e e kwa ntle.


Mme re ithute re le Batswana gore, fa mebaraka e supa gore ka re palo nnye kana se re se dirang se sennye, se supa e le gore ga se kgatlhise ka mabaka a bonnye jo, itshwaraganye le 11 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) mafatshe a a bapileng le rona a tshwana le bo Namibia, le Zimbabwe, re itshwaraganye se re se dirang, re se dire re tshwaraganetse gore mmaraka e tle e re kgatlhegele.

E re fa re ba atumela re ba kopa go gweba le bone ba kgatlhegele bokete jwa se re tlang ka sone, “ka sedikwa ke ntŝa pedi ga se thata.” Ke tiro e mma ke tlaa go e thusang, gore dimmaraka tse di kwa ntle tse re kgone gore ba re amogele.
O buile gape le ka gore kana re le lefatshe la Botswana re tswa kgakala re ikantse diteemane.

Bontsi jwa madi a rona e le a diteemane, a mangwe e le gore a tswa mo Southern African Customs Union (SACU).

Re tshwanetse ra kotula go feta ka mo re kotulang ka teng.

Le kwa diteemaneng Rre Lefoko o tshwanetse a ema ka dinao a tlhomamisa gore re kotula go feta ka mo re kotulang ka teng ka sebaka se.

Re tshwanetse ra kotula go feta ka mo re kotulang ka teng kwa Customs Union.
Ga go thona gore o eletse se se fetang se o se filweng mo lebogong.

E re fa o lebeletse o bo o bona gore sone mme se teng.

Jaanong re tshwanetse ra mena phata, ra se ka ra tlhajwa ke ditlhong go eletsa se re setseng re se tshotse, go fetsa mo re setseng re ntse re go filwe.

Jaanong le yone ntwa eo ke tlaa e go thusa gore re tle re kotule go fetsa mo re kotulang ka teng, gore letseno la rona le tle le oketsege.

Ke leboga gore o thubile lebelo la go baakanya thulaganyo ya motlakase mo lefatsheng le.
O kwadile mma, o buile gore power stations di kae, di kae, ke dumela o ne o thusiwa ke Rre Lefoko ka tseo.

Selo se re a se itumelela.

Re a itse re le Batswana gore re ka fa tlase ga kgatelelo ya tlhaelo ya motlakase.

Kwa gaetsho kwa Mochudi, Bakgatla ba dikile ba nkemetse ka dinao ba re, “rra, re ya go lala re letse le wena.
Fela fa re phirimelwa re tlhoka motlakase, o itse fela gore re ya go lala nao.” Jaanong ke leboga gore e bo e le gore seemo se o eme ka dinao gore o se baakanye, go tle go rene boitumelo, go rene monyenyo.

Ke utlwile gape mma o bua le ka metsi, gore o tlaa tsaya bokete ja madi o a ise kwa metsing.

Ke re le one metsi le sanitation ka tota fela gore amenities, facilities tse ke dilo tse di tlhokafalang.
Re setse re bone gore tota tiro e a bonala, metsi a setse a phatlaletse ka dikgaolo tsa rona ka go farologana, le projects di setse di ntse di tsweletse pele.

Dilo dingwe tse re tshwanetseng ra se ka ra tlhoka go di akanya, le fa ntswa gongwe go ka felela go tura, mme kana jaanong o kwadile gore PPPs le tsone re a di rotloetsa, re etse mafatshe a mangwe re felele re goga metsi kwa lewatleng.

Ka gore ga re a goga koo, tota fela re ya go dika re le mo maphatšhaphatšheng re sa tlhaele metsi.
Ga go thona go nna le dikeletso.

Jaanong fela le dikeletso mmaetsho, le wena o nne le keletso ya gore re ka goga metsi kwa mawatleng.

Ke eletsa gore ke bue gape le ka maikaelelo a o a beileng pele, a go tlhomamisa gore Integrated Support for Arable Agriculture Development Programme (ISPAAD) le Livestock Management and Infrastructure Development (LIMID) le Ipelegeng, di tlaa sekwasekwa, be restructured.

Ka gore kana ke dingwe tsa dilo tse e leng gore they are part and parcel of social welfare programmes.
Go botlhokwa mma for them to be reviewed, ka gore go le gantsi re imetsa Puso morwalo wa gore e re Motswana a ikgona, e bo e le gore jaanong ntswa a ikgona, mme a bo a eletsa gore a lemelwe ke Puso, a fiwe dipeo ke Puso.

Selo se se tshwanetse sa tla bokhutlong.

Go ka swabisa e re re bona Motlotlegi mo Palamenteng mo, kana Mokhanselara, e bo e le gore jaanong re fitlhela terekere ya Puso e mo lemela.
A fodile laene kwa diofising tsa Puso, a ile go phaka peo, mme a na le tshono ya gore o ka tsamaisa itsholelo ya the private sector, a ithekela dilo tse.

Ka gore private sector kana it is thriving, kana e kgona gore e tshegediwe fa re reka mo go yone.

Jaanong ke dilo tse ke eletsang gore Tona, o ntse o itshwaragantse le Tona wa Agriculture le di lebalebeng.

Gone gore ikaego ka social welfare programmes e ya bokhutlong kana e fokotsege.
Selo se se tlaa kgontsha Matona ka go farologana ba ba okametseng programmes tse.

Se tlaa ba kgontsha gore jaanong e bo ba kgona gore ba di atolose, ba di neye ba e leng gore they are truly deserving of them.

Go ka swabisa go fitlhela koloi ya mogobagoba e fodile laene, mong wa yone a fodile laene a ile go phaka peo, mme a kgweetsa koloi ya mogobagoba.
Jaanong ke leboga gore e bo e le gore you are restructuring mananeo a. O buile gape ka to decentralise ditirelo tsa Puso, go di isa kwa Lephateng la Dikgaolo le Tlhabololo Magae.

Ke re selo se is long overdue.

Puso e tshwanetse ya reetsa batho.

E tshwanetse ya reetsa Batswana.

Batswana ba buile, kgang e ba tswa kgakala ba ntse ba e kopa ka ke bone baamogedi ba ditirelo tsa Puso.
Ba ntse ba kopa gore ka tsweetswee, maloba fale, fa nne ditirelo tse di le mo diatleng tsa di khansele, re ne re di bona botoka.

Fa e sale di tsewa di isiwa kwa Central Government, iyoo!

re mo mathateng.

Jaanong ke re selo se ke se e leng gore it is a development in the good direction, gore e bo e le gore selo se se tlaa diragadiwa.
Ke re ke kgothatse le ene Tona Rre Kgotla Autlwetse, le Matona a mangwe gore a re emeng ka dinao re tshematshemeng, re fefose lebelo le la to decentralise decision making le service delivery re e iseng kwa makalaneng a.

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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) O buile ka lekgetho mma.

Lekgetho ga se mang le mang yo o ratang go le duela.
Batho ba a leka ka bojotlhe gore ba le tile, mme ke selo se e leng gore re rata kana re sa rate re tshwanetse ra tswelelapele re ntse re na le lone.

Dipatlisiso di supa gore tax ya lefatshe, gore lefatshe le kgone go itshegetsa at the very least, e bo e le gore it is at 15 per cent of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) ya lefatshe.

Anything below that Minister, o tlaabo o sa tlhwaafala.

O tlaabo o tsene mo seemong sa gore se o se dirang o di gamela mo mokgokodisaneng.

O di gamela fa fatshe.


Jaanong ke dilo tse e leng gore ga o a tshwanela go tlhabiwa ke ditlhong gore o bue le rona.

Re sekaseke ka thuso ya baitseanape gore lekgetho le ka tsamaisiwa ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Dipatlisiso kana reports tse di tswang kwa World Happiness Report ya 2020, di supa gore boitumelo mo lefatsheng, mafatshe a e leng gore ranks kwa godimo ka seelo sa boitumelo, ke mafatshe a a nang le the highest tax rate.

Ke dipatlisiso, ga ke re ka rialo, ka re dipampiri tsa rialo tsa baitseanape.
Di supa gore those countries tse e leng gore on the report they enjoy a higher ranking of world happiness, ke mafatshe a e leng their tax rates are very high.

Kana le fa go buiwa ka lekgetho, go tshwanetse ga lejwa gore go kgethisiwa bomang, go kgethisiwa eng jalo le jalo ka tsela e e tlaa babalelang itsholelo, e sa gobelele.

Nngwe ya dilo tse re itseng gore lekgetho le a di dira ke go tlhomamisa gore botsogo le bone bo nna teng.
O fitlhela gangwe le gape mafatshe, mma o se ka wa tlhabiwa ke ditlhong go dira jalo, gore fa o tshwanetse gore o rurifatse gore Batswana ba a tsoga, o tsenye lekgetho fa e leng gore mekgwa e teng e e tlhaetsang botsogo.

O tsenye lekgetho go ba rotloetsa gore mekgwa eo e fokotsege.

Re dikile re fetisitse melao e e neng e tsenya makgetho mo go jeweng ga sukiri e e feteletseng jalo le jalo.
O tshwanetse wa tlhomamisa gore motsoko le tse dingwe tse dingaka di opelang pina kgatlhanong le tsone, o se ka wa tlhajwa ke ditlhong go tsenya lekgetho.

O ntse o tlhomamisa gore mme fela 15 per cent of the GDP, ga re iphitlhele e le gore re kgakala or we are off the mark.

Jaanong mafoko a gago mma re a itumeletse.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke eme Motlotlegi Serame nokeng ka Tshutiso e ya gagwe.

Ga ke ošaoše ka kemonokeng ya me.

Ke a leboga.


MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT (MR SHAMUKUNI): Ke a go leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Mme le nna ke tseye sebaka se ke akgele mo pegong ya Kabo ya Madi e re e beilweng pele ke Motlotlegi Mmaetsho Serame.

Honourable Minister, batlotlegi ba ba buileng pele ga me ba setse ba go akgotse, ba go eleletsa tsotlhe tse di molemo.
Le nna ke eletsa gore ke atolose la me lentswe, ke go akgole go bo o nnile motho wa mme wa ntlha go nna Tona yo o okametseng dikgang tsa madi tsa lefatshe la Botswana.

Ke tsepame ke tsene mo pegong ya gago ke supe gore ke dumalana le priorities tsa gago jaaka o di beile, segolo bogolo jang o tsere tshwetso ya gore o fe ba Ministry wa Botsogo serwe se se utlwalang, madi a mantsi go gaisa ministries tse dingwe.
O dirile jalo go le maleba, re lebeletse seemo se re leng mo go sone sa COVID-19, le gore tota as priority number one, re tshwanelwa ke gore re boloke matshelo a Batswana.

Ke tseye nako e ke leboge le bone ba botsogo, particularly botlhe ba ba nnileng le seabe mo go re thuseng go lwantsha segajaja se, re ise re tswe mo go sone.

Ba dirile maiteko otlhe a ba a kgonneng, segolo bogolo jang around securing vaccines.
Re a itse gore re ne re le mo selelong se se ntseng jang ngogola e le gore go tlhaelo ya vaccines, mafatshe a mangwe ba di ikgapeleletse ba sa batle gore di bo di ka tswa mo melolwaneng ya bone di tla go thusa mo mafelong a a tshwanang le a a ka kwano.

Re dirile mo re ka go kgonang Mr Speaker, gore re reke melemo le mekento.

Mo nakong ya gompieno re na le vaccines tse di ka thusang setšhaba sa rona thata.
Jaanong ke go rotloetsa Batswana fela gore let us go out and vaccinate, jaaka re kopilwe go tsaya booster dose.

A re direng jalo Batswana betsho, ke gone jaaka re tlaabo re itshireletsa kgatlhanong le mogare o wa COVID-19.

Se sengwe se re tshwanelwang ke gore re se lemoge Batswana ke gore fa re sa tseye mekento le boosters tse, e tlaa re mo tsamaong ya nako di senyege.

Kana to expire mo, re tlaabo re latlhile madi le lekgetho la rona.
Seo re tshwanelwa ke gore re se itse, a re kenteng ka bokete, re tseye booster doses.

Madi a Mr Speaker, a Lephata la Health a justified… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR SHAMUKUNI: Iketle pele mokaulengwe.

Ga e ka ke ya re e le gone ke simololang to tour horizon, o bo o re clarification.

Ke a ala golo fa.

Madi a justified Mr Speaker, for Ministry wa Health go bo ba filwe madi a a kanakana.
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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) gore as a country, e re go nna le segajaja se sengwe gape mo isagong, re bo re setse re itshetletse, re tlhabolotse systems tse di tlaa re kgontshang gore re itepatepanye le outbreaks tsa go nna jalo.
Ga ke moporofita Mr Speaker, mme sengwe se nthaya sere golo gongwe ka dingwaga tsa bo 2110, 2120, go ya go nna le outbreak e nngwe ya flu ya go tshwana le yone e fa re tsamaya ka history le cycle gore go tla go nna jang.

Go tlaabo go le molemo jang gore ka dingwaga tseo bao ba ba tlaabong ba le mo botshelong, ba gadime kwa morago mme ba re rona ba generation e, re dirile mo go tlalang ka diatla, re dirile gotlhe mo re go kgonneng.
Re dirile mo go neng go tshwanetse to develop systems tse di dirang gore re nne le resilience as a society.

E re dikgang tse di tla tsa segajaja se tshwana le sa COVID-19, re bo re ka kgona gore re itepatepanye le sone.

Ke a itse gore bontsi re tlaabo re seo gone fa Mr Speaker, mme re tshwanelwa ke gore re dire systems tse di yang go thusa ba ba tlaabong ba le mo botshelong ka nako eo.
Ga re a boelwa thata mo kitsong ya outbreak ya 2018 Mr Speaker, ka gore that is way back, re ne re ise re nne independent and go sena sepe se re neng re ka ikaega mo go sone.

Jaanong this is the reason why o ne o bona fa outbreak e e tswa, e bo e kete ke selo se sesha mo go rona.
O tlaa dumalana le nna gore mafatshe a mangwe, segolobogolo jang a a tlhabologileng, ka a mangwe a ne a le independent already, ba ne ba develop systems tse di ba thusitseng thata mo nakong ya gompieno gore tse dingwe responses tsa bone di bo di le robust, ba kgona to develop vaccines le go sireletsa le setšhaba sa bone.
Jaanong ke batla gore ke wele mo kgannyeng ya gore ke support establishment ya Botswana National Public Health Institute, e e tlaabong e lebelela dikgang tse ka bophara gore we develop systems go bona gore re ka ipaakanya jang re le lefatshe gore go yeng pele, re bo re ka tla ra respond botoka fa re nna le challenges tse di tshwanang le tse.

Honourable Serame o supile mo pegong ya gago gore budget allocation e ke ya bofelo ya NDP 11.
We will be transitioning re ya kwa NDP 12, e e leng gore le yone ke projects tse ka tumelo le maikaelelo a rona ke gore re tle re implement projects and programmes go leka go atolosa le go tlhabolola itsholelo ya rona.

Ke tseela gore there are lessons tse re tshwanetseng gore re di ithute ka NDP 11 mme re leka go ipaakanyetsa NDP 12.
Tota e bile motho a supe fela gore ngwaga o re tsenang mo go one o jaaka o re abela madi a, ke o o botlhokwa thata ka gore it will give us a preview ya gore NDP 12 o ya to be implemented jang.
Ke bua jaana ka gore go na le melawana e re e fetisitseng re le Palamente, e maikaelelo a yone ke go thusa project delivery, particularly around issues tsa procurement, project monitoring le fela gore Batswana ba nne le seabe mo itsholelong e through Acts tse re neng ra di fetisa, tse di tshwanang le tsa bo Economic Inclusion Act.
Tumelo ya me ke gore implementation ya rona ya ngwaga o jaaka o re abela madi jaana, ke yone e e tshwanetseng gore tota, given the legislative framework e e leng gore we have introduced, e re fe preview ya gore NDP 12, we are going to implement it ka seemo se se ntseng jang ka gore bontsi jwa projects tse jaaka bakaulengwe ba sa tswa go bua, ke tse di tswang mo planning periods tse di kwa morago.
Ke ka a fa sekai kwa kgaolong ya me, sepatela sa Kasane se sale re reflect mo NDP 9, sa tla mo NDP 10, gompieno re wetsa NDP 11 e le gore tota tshimologo ya sone e bonya, le go setse go nne le provision ya gore preliminaries di a dirwa in terms of go isa ditlamelo kwa setsheng seo.

Re sale re abetswe plot ke ba lands bogologolo ka period ya NDP 9, mme bona gompieno re atumela NDP 12.
Se se raya gore tota in terms of project implementation, in terms of ensuring gore projects di dirwa ka nako, sengwe re tle re se dire se se pharologanyo.

Tumelo ya me ke gore, melao e jaaka re e fetisitse, e tlaa re thusa thata.

Ke nna le tshokolo mo moweng go bona dinako tse dingwe re palelwa ke to spend madi re a filwe ke Palamente.

This is common Mr Speaker, across all ministries and departments gore re fiwa madi, mme ga re a dirise.
Kana go sa spend madi re a filwe ke Palamente, go raya gore we are doing a disservice to setšhaba re se eteletse pele.

O fitlhela madi a le teng, letlhoko le le lentsi, mme re sa kgona to spend madi to address letlhoko leo.

This is common across ministries.


Gongwe jaaka re transition jaana through this budget, we should make sure gore tota mo budget, o a stress Honourable Minister gore fa go tla mo quarter ya boraro, set for us a standard sa gore mo quarter ya boraro in terms of expenditure ministry mongwe le mongwe o tshwanetse gore o bo o tsamaya mo percentages di fe.
Ideally, it should be more than 70 per cent fa go tsena mo quarter ya boraro ya kabo ya madi, re tle re fe Batswana Mr Speaker, projects tse di ba tshwanetseng, Palamente e rebotse madi gore ba di neelwe.

14 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Implementation ya NDP 11, o supile Minister gore yes, go nnile le kgolo, mme ga e a create employment opportunities jaaka re ne re solofetse.
Ke gore in other words, gongwe it has been a jobless growth.

Le gone fa, this is a lesson Mr Speaker, gore gongwe ga re re dire sengwe.

Se ke se bonang, kana golo mo go dirwa ke yone underspending e e leng e a diragala.

Fa o ka lebelela bontsi jwa projects tse e leng gore tse dingwe di ne di tshwanetse go godisa itsholelo ya rona, ga di a dirwa.

We roll them over into NDP 12 jaaka re tlaabo re tsena mo go yone jaana.
Gongwe o ya go fitlhela 40 per cent wa projects tsa NDP 11, tse e leng gore were extremely critical for growing this economy, for diversifying this economy to create jobs, o fitlhela di sa dirwa because of our project implementation challenges.

Le gone fa, re tle re bone gore re gagamatsa jang.

Gompieno re mo seemong se e leng gore the whole period ya NDP 11, you will find gore go communities tse di farologanyeng tse e leng gore they live in areas which are so in doubt with natural resources.
Or any other resources kwa e leng gore investment e ntsi teng, mme o fitlhela e le communities tse e leng gore lehuma le a tsamaya mo motseng.

Ke gore fa o tsena mo that community, o kopana le lehuma le tsamaya ka dinao o kgone go le dumedisa, le lone le re ee.

Go nna o kare investments di dirwa di le in isolation of activities tse di diragalang in the communities.

Ke rata the way you stressed it Honourable Serame on development of value chains.
Ke bona e le sone se se ka tlang sa re golola sa thusa communities tsa rona, so that we encourage all these investments in our localities ka go farologana ga tsone.

Gore ditirelo le dithoto tse di dirwang mo areas tseo di rekwe ke dikompone tsa go nna jalo, di rekwe ke botlhe ba ba beeletsang in those areas.

Ke palelwa ke go tlhaloganya gore why 90 per cent ya merogo ya kgaolo ya me kwa Chobe, ya vegetables, meat products, di bo di santse di tswa outside kgaolo ya Chobe.
Ke palelwa ke go tlhaloganya seemo seo, and still ke palelwa ke go tlhaloganya seemo se e leng gore bontsi jwa dithoto le tse dingwe di dirwa mono, re bo re santse re di letla gore di tswe from outside the country.

Decision ya gore e bile o kganele tse dingwe gore di se ka tsa tsena ka border e, to force bagwebi gore ba tseye ditirelo mo Batswaneng, ke decision e e maleba.
Le fa go ka nna le modumo o o kana ka eng Honourable Serame le Honourable Gare wa Agriculture, itseng fela gore most of the farmers ba eme le lona.

Le rona we have an obligation to develop our industries tse di santseng di le kwa tlase.

Re se ka ra letla gore products tse di tswang kwa ntle to dominate mmaraka fela at the expense of farmers tsa dikgaolo tsa rona.
Kgang e Honourable Autlwetse a neng a e bua ke e mmotsa, e le gore o tsena mo shelves tsa wholesalers, o fitlhela di le empty, products di seyo, but fela immediately o tswa o tsena mo stalls tsa Batswana, o fitlhela products tseo di le teng.

Ke sesupo fela sa gore products tse dingwe tse gotweng ga di yo di a tlhaela, ba batla go tsosa modumo.

This is deliberate, mme rona Batswana we should reject that, re emele farmers tsa rona, re reke mo go bone re ba thuse.
The other issue e ke eletsang go feta ka yone Mr Speaker, before ke tabogela kwa go tsa ministry le tsa kgaolo ya me, ke issue ya PPP.

Go boammaaruri Mr Speaker, mafatshe ka go farologana ga one ba lemogile gore the PPP model e ka thusa mo go tlhabololeng mafatshe.

In terms of public works, re kgona go tshwaraganela le ba private sector go tlhabolola fela jalo.
Ke tseela gore what we need to do now ka gore already re setse re na le a dedicated PPP unit mo lephateng la gago Mme Serame, gongwe pele re lebelele le the legislative framework gore a mme melawana e e teng mo bogompienong, e fa bokaedi jo bo tsepameng.

Currently, we are only guided by a policy, like the PPP Policy, but ke tseela gore mafatshe a a atlegang around PPP are graduating into enacting laws e e fang bokaedi, go le mo molaong gore PPP, this is how you go about it.
Ke tseela gore le gone fa let us see Honourable Serame, gore gongwe re simolole go buisana ka go dira a law around which will guide us gore PPPs tse di tle di dirwe jang.

I note Honourable Minister gore projects which are earmarked ke dife.

Ke eletsa gore ke go rotloetse ke lebeletse botlhokwa jwa tsone, jaaka tsela ya Maun/ Sehithwa, Sehithwa/Mohembo, these are very strategic roads.
E re mo tsamaong ya nako fa o bona o kare PPP ga e re tsamaye sentle, tlaa kwa Palamenteng re go fe permission o ye go adima madi, re tle re dire ditsela tse re lebeletse botlhokwa jwa tsone.

Ke balela le rail line e e yang to link Kazungula le Mosetse, le yone fa e le gore mo tsamaong ya nako re fitlhela e le gore o kare it is not very attractive to the private sector, o kare ba bonya, kana mo gongwe bonya jwa bone e tlaabo e le in terms of mobilising resources.
Rona let us make sure gore fa e kete go nna bonya, wena tlaa kwa Palamenteng re tle re go rebole o ye go batla madi a mangwe.

Di dirwe, re itse fela gore go tlaa nna le dipoelo.

These are very strategic roads mo itsholelong ya rona.

Tsone ditsela tsa bo Francistown-Nata, Nata-Maun, o bo o link le ditsela tsa kwa Chobe, e re o feta jaana, kwa bo Gudingwa, o bo ya go welelela kwa bo Parakarungu, o tsena ka bo Kachikau.
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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) 10 Honourable Serame, ditsela tseo di tlaabo di busitse madi, re lebeletse gore they are going to stimulate economy ka tsela e e ntseng jang mo dikgaolong ka go farologana.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O tsenye ya Dibete le Otse.


MR SHAMUKUNI: Nnyaa, le yone e le mo teng, mme tota ke remeletse thata mo go tse di gokaganyang Kgaolo ya Chobe jaaka o ka tlhaloganya.

We are grateful ka projects tse di tlang kwa kgaolong ya rona ya Chobe, Honourable Serame jaaka o ne o di nankola mo budget ya gago.

Dikgang tse di amang mehama ka go farologana, metsi, ke bona dikonteraka onsite di mo Kasane, di simolotse.
Rre Moagi le ene is going to connect us to the national grid ka go re tlisetsa motlakase mo kgaolong ya rona ya Chobe which links le o re o fetlhang mo Botswana.

Issues tsa land servicing mo areas tsa bo Nyungwe fela jalo, ke tse re di lebogang fela thata.

I must indicate gore go na le tse di critical tse le fa re gola, o tlisa ditlamelo jaana, kana selo santlha fa o di tlisa, you attract batho ba le bantsi.

Palo batho ke gore e ya go go bontsha gore Chobe o ya go gola maybe three folds.
Mo re neng re go akanyeditse mo census e re neng re tswa mo go yone, gore Chobe o ya go gola ka selekanyo se se kae, I can assure you, population ya Chobe is going to shock a lot of people.

Gongwe e setse e potile predictions ka kwa three folds looking at economic opportunities tse di teng kwa.

Other sectors di saletse kwa morago.

The health sector most importantly e saletse kwa morago.

Ke kopa gore issue ya health sector, re se ka ra e lebelela fela gore ke health, there is a business case to it.
Mo nakong ya gompieno, if you look at Kasane e le almost our hub for events, conferencing and all these other activities which attract a lot of people.

Fa batho ba tsena kwa and then go nna le issues, ga re re ba ise mo facilities tsa botsogo jo bo rileng.

We cannot even take anybody to Kasane Primary Hospital, re lebeletse seemo se Kasane Primary Hospital a leng mo go sone.

Last week, we hosted Matona a Labour a mafatshe a Africa.
Ke ne ke nna fela ke tshogile gore e tlaa re fela fa gotwe Minister, a ko o nkise kwa sepateleng foo, ke gore ba ya go re leba jang, mme re ba ntsha mo magasigasing a dihotele tsa bo Mowana fela jalo.

Se se botlhoko ke bone benggae, batho ba Chobe ba ke tseelang gore mo nakong ya gompieno, in terms of access to health facilities they deserve more.
O tle o bone fela gore referral ya motho a tswa kwa Parakarungu, o tsamaya more than 600 kilometres (km) o ya kwa Francistown, e le gore it is a referral ka gore services dingwe o paletswe ke gore a di bone mo Kasane.

Tota I want to plead gore Kasane e nna a centre ya many international activities.

Ka weekend jaana, re tlaabo re gorogelwa ke baeng ba bantsi thata for the Kazungula Bridge Marathon, ba bontsi le batlotlegi bangwe fa, ba supile keletso ya gore ba ya teng.
We have attracted le participants as far as bo Kenya, ba ba tlaabong ba le ka kwa.

All the hotels are fully booked ka kwa.

It is an activity e mongwe le mongwe a buang ka yone.

In terms of health facilities, go saletse kwa morago ka tsela e nngwe e e tlhobaetsang, e ke tlaa eletsang gore let us take health issues tsa Chobe, tota there is a business case tota gore in terms of stimulating the economy, re netefatse gore di nna teng, di nna mo seemong se se amogelesegang.
The Education Sector le yone fa local economy ya Chobe e gola the way e golang ka teng jaana, what it means ke gore fa bodiredi bo nna bo ya kwa, ba batla bana ba bone gore ba tsene mo dikoleng tse di rileng.

Ba batla gore dikole tsone tsa bo junior schools tsa ga Goromente, di bo di le mo seemong se se siameng.

As we speak now, all junior schools, they have oversubscribed.

Tse di agilweng e le 18-stream, ke 21-stream and even more now.
Jaanong re simolola re reka porta cabins gore jaanong bana ba simolole ba tsenele ka koo e le gore facilities di saletse kwa morago.

There is even a much stronger case gore jaanong re age a unified secondary school if not a fully-fledged senior secondary school because of population ya bana mo kgaolong.
I am grateful to the Chinese ba e rileng ba bona letlhoko la rona kwa Kazungula Primary School, e le gore ke sekole se nna se nnyennyane, Kazungula o gola ka bokete, ba bo ba donate a new primary school which the contractor is onsite and ba simolola go aga.

Ke ba leboge fela thata.


Rona as Government tota, re lebelele gore e re re isa ditlhabololo tse di nang le that pulling factor gore batho ba tlaabo ba ya koo, mme e re batho ba ya ka koo, a re boneng gore re ba tsenyetsa ditlamelo tse di siameng, tse di maleba.

Di dintsi tsa Kgaolo ya Chobe tse ke tlaa tlang ke di atolosa fa Batlotlegi Matona ba bua ka maphata a bone during the Committee of Supply, tse di tshwanang le tsone tsa ditsela, agriculture le tse dingwe fela jalo.
Di dintsi tse ke tlaabong ke tla ke bua ka tsone.

Ke wetse Mr Speaker, ka gore kwa ministry o re leng mo go one, o Mma Serame a o fileng madi a gore re implement programmes dingwe tsa Puso, re a lemoga 16 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) gore boikarabelo jwa rona ke go leka go tokafatsa seemo sa khiro mo lefatsheng.
Re dira jalo le our social partners gore seemo sa khiro se nne teng, se atlege, se nne se se botoka so that we bring about decent work.

These programmes tse re buang ka tsone, di dirwa ke bodiredi.

Bodiredi ga re mo tsamaong ya nako, re bone gore re bo motivate jang.
Tumelo ya me ke gore Mr Speaker, e re fa itsholelo e tla e nna botoka, go tlaabo go se thona gore re le lefatshe, re lebelele seemo sa bodiredi, re ipotse gore mme after COVID-19, le go fokotsega ga disposable income, a re ka se simolole a conversation gape around letseno la… …Silence… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister, did we lose you?

MR SHAMUKUNI: Am I audible?

Am I back?

MR SPEAKER: You are now audible.

MR SHAMUKUNI: Thank you.


Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke lebogele sebaka se se molemo se o se mphileng sa go re ke buise mafoko a ga Honourable Serame.

Jaaka bakaulengwe ba supile, ke go eleletsa tsotlhe tse di molemo, ke go ema nokeng mo Tshutisong ya gago.

Ke a leboga Motsamai Motsamai.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Minister responsible for Labour.
Honourable Members, let me remind you of what Standing Order 5.1 sub Section (c) says; “the role of the Speaker shall be to protect the right of all Members of Parliament including the minority and the Speaker shall be the guardian of the privileges of the National Assembly.” Sebaka se re leng mo go sone se ke slot sa Opposition, and it is my right to protect them gore ba tseye slot sa bone.

Fa Morena wa me a tla a bitsa the Minister, le se ka la mo tshwaya phoso.
Without that fa go sena yo o buang from the Opposition to utilise their slot... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Honourable Khama o tsholeditse, look at your chats.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Minister.

MR SPEAKER: Ga a a tsholetsa.

MR SHAMUKUNI: Ke lebeletse sone seemo sa bodiredi gore tota gone the fact of the matter ke gore dipalo tsa the working poor di a gola Mr Speaker.

Re tle re lebelele gore re ka simolole conversation fela ya letseno fela le le tlhoafetseng la madi la bodiredi.
Tumelo ya me ke gore some sectors, I know re beile a minimum wage but some sectors ba dira ka bomo.

Some sectors can afford to pay more than the minimum wage, ba ka duela fela mo go tlhwaafetseng.

O kare ba retelelwa ke go dira jalo, ka gore ba a itse gore re beile molao and molao wa re minimum wage ke bokana.

Mo tsamaong ya nako jaaka itsholelo e tlaabo e fatlhoga, go tlaabo go se thona Mr Speaker gore re simolole conversation around go lebelela the minimum wage.
Gape re lebeletse le the levies le taxes which were imposed following COVID-19, tota disposable income e ne ya ngotlega.

Ke wetse ka go sekasekiwa ga the pay dates, thulaganyo e leng gore beke le beke go tlaabo go amogelwa, o a utlwa Honourable ... (Inaudible)… beke le beke go tlaabo go amogelwa.

Se se botlhokwa mo itsholelong ya rona, ka gore go ya go tokafatsa circulation ya madi.
Rona ba re tshelang ka go etelwa mo itsholelong e e tshelang ka bojanala, ke gore weekend le weekend bojalana bo tlaabo bo le on Honourable Hikuama.

Weekend le weekend Batswana ba tlaabo ba amogela, ba tsaya loeto ba etela dikgaolo tsa rona ka kwa.

Go tlaa re thusa thata go tsosolosa itsholelo in such areas.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O tsholeditse.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go a supafala gore o tsholeditse kwa go rona.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you, ke gone go bonalang.


The next speaker shall be the Honourable Tshekedi Stanford Khama, Rraagwe Kaedi, ke nako ya gago Kgosi ya me.

LEADER OF THE MINORITY (MR KHAMA): Thank you Mr Speaker, ke a go dumedisa Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ke batla go akgela mo Budget Speech e e tswang kwa go... MR SPEAKER: Come closer to the microphone Honourable Member, come closer to the microphone.

MR KHAMA: Ee, ke batla go akgela mo Budget Speech e e tlang ka Mma Serame to Parliament.
Mr Speaker, ke batla gore before ke tswelela ka yone, ke bue fela gore ke itse gore Budget Speech e e baakantswe jang, gore e ya kae, e tswa kwa kae, go tswa bo mang ba ba tswang go bua ka yone.

Se ke tsileng go se bua, ga se gore ke lebegana le ene fela, ke lebagane le lephata la gagwe le stakeholders botlhe ba ba neng ba akgela mo this Budget Speech.

Ke na le matshwenyego ka fa e dirilweng ka teng, ka gore fa ke leba summary e a neng a bua ka yone, o ne a bua ka Budget Pitso.
Ke a itse gore fa re lebagane le CCP, ga re ise re kopane le batho ba Finance kana 17 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) bangwe ka kgang ya Budget Pitso e lebaganeng le kgang e. Mo dingwageng tse di fetileng since CAVA e tsaya Puso in 2019, the CCP di emisitswe, madi a teng a ne a emisitswe.
Ke ipotsa gore fa go ntse jaana, o raya gore tota re ka bo re dumetse se se tshwanang le se gore re emisang madi a CCP, and then go bo go kwalwa gotwe “stakeholders have been consulted, and feedback ya bone ya re.” That is the first thing se se ntshwenyang in this Budget Speech.

fail ka dipalo tse dintsi jang, how are we ever going to achieve a knowledge based economy.
Ke mafoko fela, ke go tlhatswa fela, o kare go kgabisiwa fela le dirisa mafoko a re reng re ya go tlhakanya dilo fela ka go dirisa mafoko a a tshwanang le ao.

Fa re lebile results tsa kwa dikoleng gore di ntse jang, and the term ya knowledge based economy, no, ga go tsamaisane.

It is a definite disparity in what this budget is saying and what the promise is.
Se sengwe gape ke kgang e e lebaganeng le dilo tse di tshwanang le Millennium Development Goals, ke ne ke batla mo speech gore mo Millennium Development Goals or the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) as they are referred to now, go na le nngwe ya SDG 4 e e buang ka quality of education.

Re a itse gore dikole tsa rona mo Botswana, totatota gotlhelele ga di na mosola.

Fa o ka bona dikole kwa kgaolong ya me kwa Serowe, nako ya fa go na le COVID-19 ke ne ke ile go di lebelela tsotlhe.
Ke raya gore it is embarrassing for a country jaaka Botswana which has got so much resources from diamonds, bana ba rona ba bo ba ya kwa dikoleng tse di tshwanang le tse.

Ke raya gore e ne e le makgasa fela... MR SPEAKER: Honourable Khama!

MR KHAMA: Yes.

MR SPEAKER: The technicians are saying television (tv) does not focus on you properly, please face your monitor.

We want that handsome you… yes that is better, to come out clearly.

Please take your floor Honourable Khama.


MR KHAMA: Mr Speaker, jaaka ke ne ke ile go lebelela dikole go bona gore seemo sa tsone se ntseng jang, nnyaa tota ga re direle bana ba rona sentle, we have failed.

As the Ministry of Education, they have failed.

Fa ke re ba paletswe ga ke reye gone jaana, ke raya from time past, ka gore curriculum ke selo se se batlang go lebelelwa, ka gore bana ba fa ba tswa sekoleng ga gona kwa ba yang teng, go ya go dira homework tsa bone.
Sa bobedi fa ba tsena mo laboratory classes, di dirisiwa tse ba ka di dirisang foo ga di bereke.

Bangwe ba ne ba re dilo tse di tswa kwa Germany, madi a a yang go tla le makgoa go tla go di baakanya ke madi a mantsi, so re di beile fela foo, ga di bereke.

I believe gore when we are looking at this Budget Speech and SDG 4 e buang ka quality of education, re fositse.
Phathi ya CAVA e paletswe mo go e, because quality education is going to talk about moving from resource based economy to a knowledge based economy.

Fa o bona ka fa bana ba rona Ke kopa gore tsweetswee fa re ya go buisana le morafe, a bueng boammaaruri.

Re se ka ra bo ra re re ya go tswa mo resource-based economy to knowledge-based economy, mme bana ba rona ba sena dikole tse ba di tsenang tse di supang gore results tsa bone ke tse di gakgamatsang.
Tota di a gakgamatsa, e se gore ba pasa ka grades tse di kwa godimo, e le the way they are failing, ke sone se se gakgamatsang.

Dilo tse re di tlwaetse, re tswa kgakala ka kgang ya education.

So Mr Speaker, ke na le matshwenyego one a gore, this Budget Speech contradicts itself in the way it is being presented.

That is why ke ne ke re Mma Serame, I am not labelling this at you.

I know who put these things together, ke ne ke le koo, ke a itse gore go dirwa jang.
Fa ke bala Budget Speech e, ke a bona gore nnyaa, go a pala.

Mma ke tsene mo go tse dingwe... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarity Stanford.

MR KHAMA: Ke mang yoo?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke nna, ke bidiwa Motlotlegi Palelo Motaosane.

MR KHAMA: Nnyaa, ke tlaa go fa kwa pele rra, o nkgakolole, okay.

Mma ke tswelele fela ka gore we are going to break ka lunch and I do not want to lose my momentum.
Jaanong e nngwe gape rra, CCP jaaka ke ne ke bua ka tsone... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, nako e ke eng e ka re ke gone e simololang go bala jaana?

MR KHAMA: Fa re lebile community projects, we provide funding for the developments... MR SPEAKER: We are at 1 o’clock, is it not?

MR KHAMA: Ee, e tšhaile.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Honourable Member for Gaborone Central, Order!

Order!
Order!

The presentation by the Honourable Member for Serowe West has brought 18 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) us to refreshments time and we are going to temporary halt on to our work here, we shall come back again at 2 o’clock.

But before we go, I want to implore all of you Honourable Members, to take …(Inaudible)… from Honourable Tshekedi Stanford Khama.
He is so impeccably dressed, that is how Honourable Members must dress.

Keep it up Rraago Kaedi.

Bon appétit Honourable Members.

PROCEEDINGS SUSPENDED AT 1:00 P.M. FOR APPROXIMATELY 1 HOUR PROCEEDINGS RESUMED AT 2:00 P.M. “EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP” MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): We are starting with questions.
QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER PHOTOCOPYING MACHINES IN SCHOOLS MR G. KEKGONEGILE (MAUN EAST): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development if he is aware that primary schools in the Maun Administrative Authority have photocopying challenges due to none functioning of photocopying machines in almost all schools, and to further explain: (i) the ministry’s school photocopying machine provision policy, its replacement and maintenance policy; (ii) school alleviation policy of photocopying challenges in the meantime; and (iii) the number of schools with functional machines, number of those without machines and provision date to such in the Maun Administrative Authority.
MINISTER LOCAL ASSISTANT GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR PULE): Thank you very much Mr Speaker.

Good afternoon Mr Speaker and colleagues.

OF Mr Speaker, I am aware of the challenges existing in schools of shortage of photocopying machines.

Currently, there is no documented policy on the above but schools are provided with machines through the normal budget process, and machines have been procured by batches where the budget permits.
(i) Mr Speaker, maintenance of schools’ photocopying machines have been placed under a maintenance contract.

A total of 27 out of 38 primary schools have working photocopying machines, of which 24 are contracted to a company called Copiers Botswana.

In all the contracted photocopiers, the contracted company, that is Copiers Botswana, have responsibility of maintaining all photocopiers and providing the toners for the machines, a period of contract, while the council pays for photocopying services cost.
the (ii) Mr Speaker, Maun Administration Authority has been experiencing photocopying challenges in most of the primary schools.

However, since 2019 to date, the organisation has procured 24 photocopiers as I mentioned earlier, on contract basis to help alleviate photocopying challenges in primary schools.

The photocopiers have been rationalised to assist the nearest schools that do not have photocopiers yet.
Schools without photocopying machines are being clustered to get the services from their neighbouring sister schools.

(iii) Mr Speaker, a total 27 of primary schools as I said earlier, have working photocopying machines.

Machines with obsolete status were acquired through donations to Ministry of Basic Education with the direct delivery to schools.
Some schools with no electricity were not planned for due to that reason, but the status is changing as electricity is being brought to proximity of those schools, hence they will be considered in the next plan, funds permitting.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

MR KEKGONEGILE: Supplementary Mr Speaker.

Honourable Minister, go na le Sekgoa se se reng, “if you do not plan, you plan to fail.” Machines tse le di rekileng tse, maikaelelo ke eng?

A di tlaabo di nna fela, fa di senyega le tlaabo le baakanya?
Fa go pala, a le beela kwa thoko, kana le ikaelela go baya plan in place ya gore machine fa le o rekile ka 2022, ngwaga wa go nna jaana o tshwanelwa ke gore o bo o setse o dule mo botshelong and replace it?

Fa go ntse jalo ke dingwaga tse kae that you replace machines ka tsone mo sekoleng?

Sa bobedi, Copiers Botswana, kompone e, e nna lefatshe la Botswana ntlha efe kana e tla e tswa kwa ntle ga lefatshe?

La bofelo e le kwa Maun to maintain photocopying machine ke leng, kwa sekoleng sefe?
Ga o a araba potso ya boraro ya gore dikole tse di senang machines di kae ka palo mo Maun Administration Authority?

O arabile fela ya gore tse di nang le machines di kae, ke kopa gore o arabe e ya gore tse di senang machines di kae?

Tanki Mr Speaker.

19 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MR PULE: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke tlhalose jaana gore machines tse di rekilweng tse ke neng ke bua ka tsone ke re di 24, di rekilwe ka 2019.
Seemo se di leng mo go sone right now se siame.

Ke dumalana le motlotlegi fa a re go tshwanetse go nne le a documented plan ya gore fa re rekile machine wa seemo sa gore, re solofela go o dirisa lebaka le le kae.

That one I agree with you.

It is very important for us to have that.

In the meantime, re na le a contract with Copiers Botswana.

Motlotlegi o ne a botsa gore ke company e e nnang kae; Copiers Botswana ke company ya Botswana.
Ke company ya Gaborone e e leng gore it has been contracted ka capacity ya yone to supply machines tse and then go tswa foo maintain them gape.

We have a contract le bone, I think it is three or four years if I am not wrong Mr Speaker.

I will correct fa e le gore gongwe ke wrong.

Sengwe se ke batlang go se go tlhalosetsa motlotlegi ke gore, go reka machine o le mongwefela it is about P50,000 kwa Industrial.
Go raya gore go dingalo gore Goromente a reke machines go tswa fa go bo go nna le issue ya maintenance.

That is why re dirile a contractual agreement with Copiers Botswana to supply those machines.

Ke dumalana le motlotlegi gore re tshwanetse re nne le a documented policy e e supang gore once we have the machines in place, then di tlile go nna le rona lebaka le le kae.

Ke tsaya gore re a leka.


Dikole tse di senang machines right now ke; MAUN ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY PRIMARY SCHOOL PHOTOCOPIER STATUS AS AT 01/02/2022 No.

1 Name of Primary School Khwai Primary School Nxaraga Primary School Bothatlogo Primary School Legotlhwana Primary School Makakung Primary School Sankoyo Primary School Semboyo Primary School Komana Primary School Kubung Primary School Gxhabara Primary School Moremi Primary School Tse dingwe tse gotlhelele ga di na machines.
That is why ke ne ke re about seven of them ga di na machines gotlhelele.

Ke sone se re dirileng thulaganyo ya gore ba dirisane le clusters they exist mo go tsone.

Tse dingwe tse nne; Komana, Kubung, Gxhabara le Moremi di na le machines mme di di kgologolo, ga di sa tlhole di bereka sentle.

They are obsolete.

Ke tsone tse re reng fa e le gore budget e ka re letlelela in the next financial year, re tlaa lwa gore dikole tse di setseng tseo, di nne le machines.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


DR GOBOTSWANG: Supplementary Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Honourable Minister, ke tsaya gore seemo sa selelo sa photocopiers se gongwe le gongwe, le mo kgaolong ya gago ke tsaya gore se teng, unless o ka re raya wa re kwa ga gago go siame fela.

Potso e ke batlang go e botsa ke gore, wa re go na le metse mengwe e e leng gore ga e na photocopiers kwa kgaolong ya ga Honourable Kekgonegile.

Ke batla go itse gore fa o re di thusana ka clusters, go a bo go le bokgakala bo kae?
Di thusiwa kae sentlentle mo dikoleng dife?

Ka gore ke lebile gore dikgaolo tsa teng ke tse di kgakala le mafelo a mangwe.

A o raya gore mme seemo seo se o se buang ke se re ka tswelelang ka sone?

Sa bofelo ke gore a mme ka fa go ntseng ka teng bagaetsho, re santse re palelwa ke photocopiers fela, photocopier fela ya photocopier, a re ka bua ka gore re ka tswa mo seemong sa resource-based ra ya kwa bo knowledge economy Honourable Minister?
A mme seemo se re leng mo go sone sentlentle a o a dumela gore re ka goroga le gore re ya go goroga leng Honourable Minister?

Ke a leboga.

MR PULE: Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, mma ke bue boammaaruri.

Tota fa nne motlotlegi gongwe a kile a botsa potso eo, ke ka bo ke kile ka supa the distances between the schools tse di mo clusters, gore ke bone gore is that a walkable distance jaaka a bua.

Unfortunately, I do not have that information.


Ke na le tumelo e e tletseng gore bodiredi jo bo leng teng kwa kgaolong ya ga Rre Kekgonegile, ba dirile gore go nne le boammaaruri jwa gore clusters tsa teng ga di a katologana thata gore ba kgone go thusana.

Jaanong mo kgannyeng e a buang ya gore fa re santse re le mo go seo, kana lantlha fela ke dumalane le ene gore kgang ya photocopiers ga se mo kgaolong ya ga Rre Kekgonegile fela, le kwa go Rre Gobotswang le Mochudi East e teng.
Mme kana boammaaruri jo bo leng teng, re ntse re tswa mo a very serious problem ya finances.

Ke tsaya gore gongwe fa re ne re se mo dikgannyeng tsa COVID, nkabo e kile ya re mo ngwageng wa 2020/2021 kana 2021/2022, e bo e le gore dikole tsotlhe gongwe lefatshe ka bophara di bo di reketswe photocopiers.

Jaanong tota re santse re tlhotsa.

Jaanong ke ne ke re motlotlegi a amogele gore re a tlhotsa.
20 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Ke na le tumelo e e tletseng gore re le batsadi, including Ministry of Basic Education le Local Government, re batla go bona bana ba rona ba tsena dikole mo diemong tse e leng gore resources are available, all of us.

Jaanong tota fela se se leng teng, re tlhotsisiwa ke gore madi ga a yo, mme tota fela maikaelelo a rona a matona a a papametseng ke gore re batla gore dikole tsotlhe di nne le photocopiers.
Ke na le tumelo e e tletseng gore fa re ka nna le photocopiers, re tlile go ya kwa go Rre Gobotswang a batlang.

Ke a leboga.

MR SPEAKER: Last supplementary, Honourable Regoeng.

MR REGOENG: Supplementary.

Tanki Mr Speaker.

Honourable Minister, ke ne ke re kgang e ya photocopiers e jaaka Honourable Gobotswang a bua, tota o kare ke lefatshe lotlhe.
Jaanong ke re ke go botse gore a konteraka ya those who do maintenance on them, a go na le tsela nngwe e le ba salang morago ka yone gore le tlhomamise gore ka boammaaruri they maintain these photocopiers?

I am saying this because mo kgaolong e ke tswang mo go yone, I have 10 primary schools.

They all have the machines, but they are not functional because they have never been maintained, go na le lebaka go ntse ba tewa gotwe di tlaa tla go baakanngwa.
Jaanong ke sone se ke botsang gore a le na le seelo le nako e e beilweng gore machines will be maintained ka tsela e e ntseng jang?

Go re busetsa kwa kgannyeng e re kileng ra ne re ntse re e bua, ya 37 per cent wastage ka lebaka la gore fa ba tswa fa ba ya go dira photocopiers go sele ka madi a mangwe gape.

Thank you.

MR PULE: Thank you Mr Speaker.


Bokhutshwane jwa karabo ya me ke gore dikonteraka tsotlhe tse di dirwang le companies that supply photocopiers, di na le mo gotweng ke service level agreement, mme kana fa go na le service level agreement, obviously go na le officer e e bidiwang gotwe ke a liaison officer.

Tiro ya gagwe ke to make sure gore photocopiers tseo are maintained as and when there is need for them to be maintained.
Ke tsaya gore officers tseo tiro ya tsone ke go dira jalo, mme ke ka se ka ka ganetsa motlotlegi fa gongwe a akanya gore golo gongwe go na le fa dilo di sa tsamayeng sentle, ka gore tota go bua nnete re le batho, re a farologana.

O tlaa fitlhela e le gore kwa kgaolong e nngwe gongwe officers tsa go nna jalo ba majato, mme kwa kgaolong e nngwe ba tsamaya ka bonya.

Ke raya gore eo ke seemo se e leng gore ba botlhe re a se itse e bile re a se tlhaloganya.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

GENDER BASED VIOLENCE MR Y. BOKO (MAHALAPYE EAST): asked the Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs to state: (i) the progress made so far in relation to the Inter Ministerial Committee’s set up to deal with Gender Based Violence (GBV) in Botswana; and (ii) if it is not advisable that the Government of Botswana declare Gender Based Violence a national crisis.

MINISTER OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRS (MS MOKGETHI): Thank you very much.
Let me also thank Honourable Yandani Boko, Member of Parliament for Mahalapye East for the question.

(i) Mr Speaker, the Inter-Ministerial Committee (IMC) was established in December 2020.
The committee comprises of Ministers of; the Ministry of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs, Ministry for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration, Ministry of Basic Education, Ministry of Defence, Justice and Security, Ministry of Health and Wellness and the Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development.
The Committee is supported by Permanent Secretaries responsible for the ministries I just mentioned as well as Dikgosi, Faith Based Organisations, Civil Society Organisations (CSOs), the media and academia.

These provide technical expertise to the Inter-Ministerial Committee.

Mr Speaker, to commence work, the technical experts held their inaugural meeting on 2nd February, 2021 whilst Ministers held theirs on 8th February, 2021 where they considered their terms of reference.
their inaugural meetings, the experts Following underwent training on Gender Mainstreaming and GBV Management on 23rd to 25th August 2021 whereas the Ministers were trained on 4th to 5th February 2022.

The training equipped them with knowledge and skill on gender mainstreaming and GBV management.

Following this training, the IMC has identified key areas that require immediate action.
These are intense public education, resource mobilisation, setting up appropriate sectoral structures, and strengthening of laws.

21 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Since establishment of the IMC, the Government also initiated the following major interventions aimed at mitigating GBV: as well.

In addition, Government undertook Violence Against Children Survey in 2019.

It is these studies that currently inform programming at various levels.
(1) Adoption of the Criminal Procedure and Evidence Act, (2021) which amongst others empowers survivors of rape to have more voice during evidence collection and at prosecution stage while at the same time taking cognisance of the trauma they have suffered.

(2) Adoption of The Sexual Offenders Registry Act, (2021) which provides for amongst others; the establishment of the Sex Offenders’ Registry, in which names and particulars of all persons convicted of sexual offences are recorded.
(3) Establishment of GBV Special Courts which are intended to speed up hearing of GBV cases.

(4) Introduction of “Mmueledi Wame” television programme by Legal Aid Botswana which aims at providing legal literacy.

The programme covers amongst others, child custody, divorce, GBV, cohabitation and general litigation.
(5) Launch of the GBV Perpetrators Programme by Botswana Prisons Service in September 2021 under the theme: “Projecting the Mind and Voice of the Perpetrator.” (6) Establishment of the Gender and Child Protection Branch in Botswana Police Service which has encouraged and increased reporting of GBV cases particularly by children.
(ii) Mr Speaker, on declaring GBV a national crisis, Government has long recognised GBV as a thereby undertook several national concern, initiatives such as conducting the initial GBV Indicators Study in 2012.

This study established the prevalence of GBV and indicated that GBV was mostly perpetrated by men.

In 2013, Government developed the Domestic Violence Act Regulations to facilitate implementation of the Act.

In 2016, Government developed the National Strategy Towards Ending GBV.
The strategy provides guidance to various sectors on the national response.

To further assess progress on interventions, Government undertook a follow-up study in 2018, which this time also focused on men not just as perpetrators but victims Mr Speaker, let me conclude by assuring this House that GBV remains a major priority to Government.

Government will therefore, continue to undertake critical interventions to address this scourge.
Mr Speaker, allow me to inform this House that their voice on GBV has not fallen into deaf ears as Government for the first time ever, committed a budget of P2, 875,000.00 to GBV.

In addition the Government increased financial support to shelters being; Botswana Gender Based Violence Prevention and Support Centre in Gaborone and Women Against Rape in Maun.

This allowed shelters to open more facilities to house GBV survivors, especially during the extreme social distancing period.
Lastly on behalf of my colleagues in the Inter-Ministerial Committee (IMC), let me reassure this House that the IMC is fully committed to drive the national GBV response towards a GBV free generation.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR BOKO: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Thank you for the response Honourable Minister.

O e tsere ka boleele, ke lebogela tiro e o e dirileng.

Gongwe e le potso fela e nngwefela ka gore bontsi jwa tsone o di arabile le tse ke neng ke sa di botsa, e bile ke go lebogela seo.
After setting up yone Inter-Ministerial Committee e e setseng e supafala gore e setse e simolotse go taboga go ka dira tiro ya yone, despite the fact that dikgang tsa GBV di a gola, o a di bona on a day-to-day basis, legale gongwe motho o ka tsaya gore re tlaa felela golo gongwe in terms of dealing with the situation ka Inter-Ministerial Committee, re botsa gore le tla leng kwa Palamenteng go tla go re begela the progress le challenges tse le ka tswang le na le tsone?
Le go tla go utlwa gore re ka thusana jang ka megopolo re le Batlotlegi Mapalamente go ka leka go lwantsha kgokgontsho e e teng?

Ke tsaya gore le wena e go tshwentse thata ka gore o a lemoga gore e diragala letsatsi le letsatsi, you hear on national television or radio, everywhere.

Ga go supafale gore gongwe the interventions tse le tlileng ka tsone di leka go ka mekamekana le seemo sa GBV?
Number two; e le ya bofelo, ka gore ga ke batle go tsaya nako ya gago e telele, o kare re tlogetse the community kwa morago in terms of dealing with GBV.

Fa o ka tsamaya kwa magaeng, let us say o ya kwa motseng wa 22 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Mookane, Mmaphashalala kana kwa…(Inaudible)… ga o ye go fitlhela gongwe ba itse sepe kana ope a kile a feta ka bone mo dikgannyeng tsa GBV.
Kana sekai e le sone sa dikole, gore le leka gole kae gore dikgang tse di goroge kwa dikoleng, gore barutabana ba le thuse, ba leke ka bojotlhe go ka oba lone lore, that is the students, ba ba santseng ba le bannyenyane go ba ruta ka dikgang tse.

Not only that, even at the Kgotla level gore you involve Magosi a rona go le kae go leka go le thusa mo dikgannyeng tse tsa kgokgontsho?
Ga ke reele ba utlwa fela on radio kana television, ke raya le ba latetse le bua le bone gore, nnyaa mme le lona tsenyang letsogo, ke le Tona ke a le kopa, ke a le mema gore le re thuse mo dikgannyeng tse tsa kgokgontsho ya bong e e diragalelang bana le bomme mo malwapeng.

Le borre ba bangwe ba a kgokgontshiwa re a itse ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Ke re o e tlhatswe Tona.

Other than that, ke lebogela dikarabo tse o di mphileng.

Re tlaabo re ntse re le lebile.

MS MOKGETHI: Thank you Mr Speaker.


Let me start with the second question, whereby Honourable Member Yandani Boko a supang gore go lebega re sa ya to the community jaaka bo dikole, re ye go ruta batho kwa Dikgotleng jalojalo.

Selo sa ntlha Mr Speaker, the Ministry of Nationality Immigration and Gender Affairs has established 17 District Gender Committees tse e leng gore boikarabelo jwa tsone is to mobilise the communities mabapi le dikgang tseo, tsa go hema dikgang tsa kgokgontsho mo the communities tseo.
Gape Goromente o tswelela ka go rotloetsa le to support the civil societies organisation tse e leng gore tiro ya tsone ke go dira tshidilo maikutlo kana psychosocial support, le go ba thusa ka shelters, gore ba thuse bone ba ba kgokgontshitsweng, gore ba kgone go bona boroko.

Those civil society communities Honourable Speaker, ke bone ba ba berekang, ba dira mo go bidiwang gotwe the advocacy work in the community.
Ba bereka at grassroots level, gore ba kgone go thusa setšhaba sa Botswana go lwantsha dikgang tsa kgokgontsho.

If I can just say also mabapi le the first question, we will at some point come to Parliament to share with them the progress that we have made so far.

At this point in time as I have indicated, both the technical committee and the ministries have now been trained.
It is only after we have consolidated all the views that were presented during those training sessions that we can come to Parliament and share with them what we have done thus far.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Last supplementary, Honourable Mmolotsi.

MR MMOLOTSI: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Tona, re tlhalosetse gore go ya ka wena o bona o kare committee e le tiro ya yone le ne la e kgomogela ka bofefo jo bo tlhokafalang?
Ke lebile gore wa re committee was set in 2020, go tswa foo some people were trained ka 2020, others were trained ka 2021 jalojalo.

A ga o bone o kare le bonya mo go diragetseng maikaelelo a a tshwentseng setšhaba, a re tsayang lebaka le le kana re santse re setup fela re ise re simolole go wela mo tirong?

A ga o bone gore golo gongwe ke gone mo go ka tswang go baka gore kgang e ya GBV e bo e tsweletse ka bokete jo bokanakana?
Gape ke utlwa o bua ka trainings Tona, go diragalang eng, fa go ntse go nna le cabinet reshuffle gongwe Matona a neng e le part of the Inter-Ministerial Committee ba tswa mo maphateng one ao, go diragala eng?

A go re reye gore jaanong re tlile go nna re ntse re boela kwa morago nako le nako, kana o bona e le selo se se tlaabong se ntse se siame fela?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MS MOKGETHI: Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, go tlaa lebega e kete go na le tiego.
Se re tshwanetseng go se gakologelwa ke gore, go na le batho ba bantsi ba ba in this committee, ba re ba bitsang key stakeholders.

Ga se bo Minister fela, re na le batho ba ke ba nankotseng, ba e leng gore go thata gore they must mobilised gore re tle re tswelele ka fa re tshwanetseng go tswelela le bone ka teng.

Jaaka ke ne ke bua, tiro ya ntlha ya rona e re neng re tshwanetse go e dira ke go senka batho bao ba re tlaa ba tsenyang mo komiting eo.
Re batle banaleseabe ba ba botlhokwa gore re ba tsenye mo teng.

Sa bobedi e ne e le gore re beye the terms of reference fa pele ga bone, ba di dumalane.

The terms of reference tse di beilweng fa pele ga bone ba ne ba na le megopolo ya bone, ba felela ba baakanya those terms of reference.

Dilo tse ga se tse di tsayang letsatsi le le lengwefela Honourable Wynter Mmolotsi, di tsaya nako.

Bontsi jwa Ministers ba re neng re simolotse ka bone, ke bone ba ba santseng ba le mo Komiting eo.
Fa o ka tsaya Honourable Autlwetse, he was an Assistant Minister of Local Government and Rural Development mme o ne a na le tshwanelo ya gore le ene a participate, even though Honourable Eric Molale o ne a sutisiwa mo Local Government and Rural Development mme re 23 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER santse re tsweletse le Honourable Autlwetse.

Se ke ka se buang fela ke gore le bone ba Basic Education, re santse re na le ba re simolotseng le bone mo tshimologong.
Le ene the Minister for Presidential Affairs, ke ntse ke ene jalojalo, so ga gona diphetogo dipe tse di nnileng teng.

Rotlhe re santse re le mmogo, we are all on board mabapi le training e re e dirang.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

NATA SUB-DISTRICT MR P. MAJAGA (NATA-GWETA): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural development to update this Honourable House on progress made to enable the Nata Sub-District to function at Sub-District level.
OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MODUKANELE): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke leboge Rre Majaga ka potso e. Mr Speaker, Nata currently operates as a service centre not sub-district.

Progress made so far to enable Nata Service Centre to function at sub-district level has been modest.
Establishment of Nata Sub-District was among 19 others that were approved to be sub- districts in the year 2008 and further prioritised to be implemented during NDP 11 and beyond.

However, given the persistent challenge of resource constraints, the Government adopted a strategy where resources permitting, implementation will be done in phases.
The first phase entails developing a service centre and Phase 2 envisages establishment of full sub- district and this has not been realised because of budgetary constraints Mr Speaker.

By way of update Mr Speaker, currently Nata operates as a service centre headed by the Service Centre Coordinator at D3 salary scale.
It provides some selected services including Social and Community Development (S&CD), Environmental Health, Self Help Housing Agency (SHAA) growth, Architecture, Building and Maintenance Division Services, Management of Matimela …(Inaudible)… and Administration.
In respect of revenue services Mr Speaker, I am happy to update that the Central District Council (CDC) has partnered with local bank ABSA to provide support to facilitate payments and transfer …(Inaudible)… Commissioner at D1 salary scale who coordinates 24 central Government extension services.

These extension services include National Registration (Omang), land board, Youth, Sport and Culture, Agriculture, Tribal Administration, Education and Botswana Police Service.
Last but not least Mr Speaker, my ministry is desirous of implementing the Government decision to make Nata and others; for example Shoshong, Lerala, Sehithwa and Sefhare, fully-fledged sub-district resources permitting.

I thank you.

MR MAJAGA: Thank you.

Re a go utlwa ka fa o arabang ka teng, this thing has taken a longer time jaaka re bua ka 2008.
Mo these intended sub-districts tsotlhe fela tse re ka di buang, bo Rakops, Mmadinare, Sefhare, jalojalo, o raya gore le mo nakong ya gompieno le fa re itse gore go thata jang ka bo COVID-19, ga gona tse pedi fela tse e leng gore gongwe they are funded go supa gore there is progress?

Go ntse go eme fela jalo jaaka 2008?

A mme re tlaa tswa tema Tona wa me yo o tlotlegang, le ene a amega?
Ya bobedi ke gore, kana decentralisation, bo Tona especially Tona Autlwetse le Tona Molale, maloba ba tsamaile lefatshe le lotlhe to speed up this process ya decentralisation.

Mo Nata ke bona Mothusa Molaodi a le teng mme Mothusa Council Secretary (CS) ga ke mmone.

O diilwe ke eng ka koo go bona tota gore even though go ise go agiwe, mme the relevant officers are in place kwa di tshwanetseng teng?
O ka nkaraba Tona ke ka leboga, ka le wena o moanelwa mogolo mo kgannyeng e. MR MODUKANELE: Ke leboga thata Honourable Majaga ka potso eo.

Ke supe jaana gore jaaka o sa tswa go supa, nna le wena dikeletso tsa rona gone fa di kopana 120 per cent.
Tla ke supe gape jaana Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, gore keletso ya rona re le Local Government ke gore gongwe mo nakong e khutshwanyane fa sengwe le sengwe se kgonega, gongwe policy ya decentralisation jaaka o sa tswa go bua gore re ne re tlhotlhoma le lefatshe le Rre Majaga, bo Rre Molale le Rre Autlwetse, le bangwe ba rona re bua ka yone.

Fa e ka …(Inaudible)… le kwa Khuduthamageng ya ga Tautona, e bo e felela gone mo Palamenteng yone e, ke dumela gore le tlaa e fetisa ka bonako Mapalamente.
Gongwe e bo e ka thusa to be part of some of these things …(Inaudible)… constraints tse e leng gore di ntse di teng.

Gongwe go bo go ka bonwa gore a e nngwefela kana tse pedi jaaka o sa tswa go bua, gongwe re ka di fitlhelela Mr Speaker.

Ke rialo for now, ke se ka ka bua thata Honourable Majaga.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER UPGRADE OF HEADMEN OF ARBITRATION DR N. TSHABANG (NKANGE): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development: (i) when he intends to upgrade the Mabuwe, Magapatona Headmen of Selolwane and Arbitration to Headmen of Records; (ii) whether he is aware of a court ruling to have some of the Dikgotla upgraded to the status of Headmen of Records; and if so, (iii) when he intends to implement the court ruling.
MINISTER LOCAL ASSISTANT GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR PULE): Thank you Mr Speaker, thank you Tachakanaka.

OF (i) Upgrading of Dikgotla takes place in gazetted villages and therefore all wards within villages are serviced at the level of Headman of Arbitration.

Mabowe which is a ward in Nkange, Selolwane and Magapatona which are wards within Tutume villages respectively, and therefore they are not eligible for upgrading to Headman of Records.
(ii) Mr Speaker, I am not aware of any court ruling to have some of Dikgotla upgraded to the status of Headman of Records and therefore, my ministry has no plan to upgrade these Dikgotla.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

DR TSHABANG: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Minister, I think ga o a dira research ya gago sentle.

Last year batho ba Magapatona ba fentse case kwa court gore ba busediwe stamp sa bone sa Headman of Records.
Ke kopa gore o boele kwa morago o ye go batla information, o bo o ya go fa batho ba Magapatona Headman of Records ya bone le ba Selolwane.

Ke tlaa e tlogela gone foo gore o kwa morago thata.

Thank you very much.

MR MAJAGA: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker, ke a go leboga Mopalamente Tshabang le Minister.

Minister, a mme o itse metse e Mopalamente a botsang ka yone?
Ke raya gore kana fa o tsaya metse e e tshwanang le bo Ramotswa le Mochudi, o bo o tsaya Tutume, go na le Dikgotla tse di tsamaelanang le sone se se batliwang ke Mopalamente.

Mo mafelong one ao, a mangwe bo Ramotswa le Mochudi di a bereka mme kwa Tutume kgang e e sale e tsaya lebaka go fitlhelela batsadi ba ya court.

That is why ke botsa gore a o itse mafelo one a le Dikgotla tse go buiwang ka tsone?
Ka ke itse o le motho yo o pelo le batho, o ka bona gore go tshwanetse go dirwe sengwe fa o ka ya go bona sone se se buiwang ke Mopalamente Never Tshabang.

Ke a leboga.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: He has not informed himself.

MR PULE: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke itse Nkange le Tutume fela thata.

Se ke ka sekang ka se paka ke Dikgotla tse di mo teng, Mabue ke ka paka gore e simolola fa kae e felela fa kae, Selolwane le Magapatona.
Kana e rile fa ke araba, ke rile ka re mo nakong e re leng mo go yone, the Headmen of Records di bewa fela in gazette villages.

Ga ba bewe mo wards tse e leng gore they are within villages.

Ba bewa mo separate gazetted villages.

Motlotlegi Mopalamente a re go na le court ruling e e dirilweng e e reng Magapatona e tshwanetse e neelwe post ya Headman of Record.

Jaanong ke tlhalositse fela ka botlalo kare, I am not aware of that ruling.

Fa e le gore Mopalamente o na le yone gongwe a share le nna.
I am not aware.

Fa motho a go botsa gore, “Are you aware?” O bo o re, “I am not aware”, what else can you say?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR SALESHANDO: On a point of procedure Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ka ditsamaiso tsa rona, a o ka se ka wa tsaya tshwetso go kopa Tona gore a boele mo Palamenteng ka karabo e, ka gore kana (ii) and (iii), ga di a arabiwa, Tona a re ga a itse sepe ka court order e e leng teng, e e laelang ministry wa gagwe.
Gore fa a sena go bona court order, a o ka boela mo Palamenteng a tla go fa karabo e e tletseng ka gore ya gompieno ga a e araba?

MR SPEAKER: I thought he suggested that Honourable Dr Tshabang a mo thuse ka the judgement.

It leads to that.

Is that not so Honourable Minister that when you are aware of the judgement… MR PULE: Of course, ke ka bo ke arabile jaaka Batlotlegi ba batla, jaanong I am not aware Mr Speaker, like I said, of the judgement.
E bile ke kopile ka boikokobetso gore Member of Parliament for Nkange a ntlele ka judgement eo.

Ga ke ise ke e bone, ga ke ganetse gore e teng.

I never said it is not there, I said I am not aware of it.

That is what I said.

MR SALESHANDO: That is fine Mr Speaker.

Ke mathata a go nna le Matona a le four mo ministry ba sa itse judgements against their own ministry.
25 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER DR TSHABANG: Go raya gore re e tlisa Palamenteng not kwa go wena ka gore o bua mo Palamenteng.

MR SPEAKER: Yes.
MR SPEAKER: Yes.

SEHITHWA CLINIC MR K. C. HIKUAMA (NGAMI): asked the Minister of Health and Wellness: (i) if he is aware of the poor state of the Sehithwa clinic; (ii) if there are plans for major maintenance of the clinic in the near future; and (iii) why Sehithwa clinic has such a huge shortage of health professionals such as doctors, midwives and pharmacists.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Thank you so much Mr Speaker.

Good afternoon.

Ke tsaya gore ke a utlwala.


MR SPEAKER: Ee rra.

MR LELATISITSWE: Mr Speaker, (i) Ke supe jaana gore ke a itse ka seemo sa Sehithwa clinic ka fa e ntseng ka teng, gore e tlhokana jalo le maintenance.

Ke sone se e neng ya re ka ngwaga wa 2021-2022, Lephata la Botsogo undertook the following kwa Sehitlhwa clinic; supply and installation of a generator 80kva, supply and installation of 24 air conditioners and installation of eight flood lights tse di neng tsa dirwa gone ka koo.
The project commission e ne ya simolola jalo beginning of February.

Ke sone se se supang jalo gore tota re ne re bona letshwenyego lone leo le le gone ka clinic yone eo.

Further, go ne ga tsenngwa motlakase in a guardhouse le tsabana storeroom, including a replacement of malfunctioning light points in the clinic.

That was also done.

Se se ne se diragala jaana Mr Speaker, gore go se ka ga nna le kgorelesego mo clinic e jaaka babereki ba tlaabo ba ntse ba theogetse.
(ii) Major maintenance of the clinic will be considered in the next budget cycle ya 23-24 financial year.

(iii) Mr Speaker, gone mo clinic e ya Sehithwa, re supe jalo gore there is a huge shortage of staff in the clinic, especially Dingaka, Midwives and Pharmacists.

Re supe gore this situation e tokafetse as a Resident Doctor and Pharmacist were redeployed to Sehithwa cluster.
Ke gore cluster go tewa fa re kgobokantseng clinics, mme re bo re dirisa yone a mother clinic gore go nne go nna le the outreach around those clinics.

Ke gore Sehithwa cluster ke tsaya gore mokaulengwe ene o a tlhaloganya.

Batho ba ba based kwa Toteng clinic, covers catchment area yone ele, including Sehithwa.

Ba sale ba ya teng ka August 2021.

These officers are based kwa Toteng due to accommodation challenges kwa Sehithwa.
Mr Speaker, Ministry of Infrastructure and Development were instructed by ministry wa rona gore ba re agele mantlo gone kwa Sehithwa.

Go ne ga diegwa ka ntata ya gore go ne ga fetola fa re neng re ka bo re agile mantlo one a bodiredi.

Batho ba ke buang ka bone ba, ba ka bo ba le gone kwa Sehithwa.

Go ne go tshwanetse gore go agiwe mantlo jalo, eight staff houses, 40 kwa Sehithwa, 40 kwa Tsao.
Ke tsaya jalo gore ke projects tse di tsweletseng, tse e leng gore e tlaa re mo bofelong jwa tsone, batho ba boele gone kwa Sehithwa Mr Speaker.

The construction yone e ya mantlo e e tlaa bong e tsweletse mo ngwageng ono wa madi for the Doctor and the Pharmacist who will be now redeployed gone kwa Sehithwa e leng yone the mother clinic.

Gompieno these Doctors and Pharmacists cover the Sehithwa clinic on outreach basis.

Ke dumela jalo gore ke se se tsweletseng.


Re supe jaana Mr Speaker, gore ministry redeployed two nurses to Sehithwa clinic in October and November, one midwife gone kwa Sehithwa clinic.

As the ministry, re tlaa tswelela fela jalo re lebelela letlhoko la rona la babereki jaaka Corona e ntse e boela kwa tlase, batho ba rona ba boa kwa sites tsa borders kana ke sa isolation rraetsho.

Ke tsaya gore ke yone karabo yame ya potso ya ga mokaulengwe.

Ke mo lebogele gore a bo a e tsentse le ene.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

MR HIKUAMA: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Karabo ya ga Tona ga e kgotsofatse le e seng.

Tona ga ke itse gore a mme o a lemoga gore ka ngwaga wa 2016, Tautona wa gompieno yo e neng e le Mothusa Tautona ka nako ya teng, o ne a ya kwa Sehithwa a ba bolelela gore ba tlaa tokafaletswa sepatela sa bone, se tlaa nna le x-ray laboratory, a bua kwa Kgotleng, le matlo a bodiredi ka programme ya Economic Stimulus Programme (ESP).
Jaanong ga ke tlhaloganye gore go ne ga diragala eng ka gore e ne e tshwanetse gore ka 2016 ba bo ba agile, ba tokafatsa.

Jaanong wena karabo 26 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER ya gago e bua ka go tsenya bulbs mo guardrooms tse di sa tokafatseng tirelo ya botsogo mo Sehithwa.

Ke sone se ke reng karabo eo ga e nkgotsofatse ka gore se le neng le se solofeditse batho bale, ga le a se dira, mme ga o tlhalose gore ke eng le sa se dira.
Le ene residential doctor yo o buang ka ene Tona, ga ke itse gore go agiwa ga mantlo one a, a ya go dirwa leng, ka gore Sehithwa fa o ka e lebelela, is a strategic centre ya yone the Sehithwa cluster ka gore e fa gare?

Jaanong fa go beilwe dingaka kwa corner kwa bo Toteng, di tlaa nna accessible jang ke ba ba tswang kwa bo Kareng, Makako, Semboyo, le bo Bodibeng fa ba le mo matlhokong a a tlhokang ngaka?

Selo se Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, a Tona o se bona se siametse banni ba motse wa Sehithwa?
MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Mr Speaker.

Ke go leboge Honourable Member.

Ke supe jalo gore rona mo botsogong, light ke golo mo go botlhokwa thata.

Ke utlwa Honourable Member a re go tsenya lights ke golo mo a go tsayang e se golo ga sepe.

Re mo supegetse jalo gore rona mo botsogong, re batla go berekela fa go nang le lesedi.
E bile re ka itumela thata gore fa e le gore go na le lesedi gona le lefifi, o kgona go thusa motho, o tshwanetse gore o mmone gongwe le gongwe, o kgone go dira a proper analysis.

Jaanong go tsenya dipone ke golo mo go botlhokwa thata rraetsho, ke ne ke re seo o se tlhaloganye ka gore ke bona o kare o go tsaya e le golo mo go nnyennyane thata.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Kana wena o bua ka go tsenya dipone mo guard room, wa re ke yone tokafatso e e diragetseng?

MR LELATISITSWE: Nnyaa, ke buile dikgang tse dintsi.
Re tsentse 80 kilovolt generator eo ka gore is going to light the clinic.

Jaanong fa o tsaya golo mo, o bo o go tsaya e le golo mo go motlhofo, mme batho ba Sehithwa, beng ba motse, ba bona e le tlhabololo e tona e e tlileng go ba tlhabolola... HONOURABLE MEMBER: A ko o bue ka ditokafalo tse di utlwalang, se nne mo generator, re batla tokafalo ya sepatela.

MR LELATISITSWE: Fa re tsena mo dikgannyeng tsa sepatela rraetsho, ke ne ke re gongwe eo, you can ask a separate question ke ka e araba.
Ya matlo, ke supe gore kana go ne ga nna le phetogo ya lefelo, rona re sena go ntsha madi, re a isa kwa Ministry of Infrastructure, ba ba neng ne ba tshwanetse gore ba simolole go a aga.

Ke sone se e leng gore this project has delayed up to today.

Jaanong ke sone se se dirileng gore letsatsi leno, batho ba ba ka bong ba le kwa Sehithwa, ba bo ba le kwa Toteng.
Ke tsaya gore they are attending Sehithwa on outreach basis, ba ya fela kwa Sehithwa, mme re ntse re itse gore ke yone our mother clinic, re lebeletse fa e leng teng, the centre of it, gape e na le maternity.

Re a itse gore ke our mother clinic, mme fa project e e wela, kana jaanong fa go nna le dingaka, go nna le pharmacists jalo mo lefelong, tsotlhe tse o di buang tseo, di ka tla tsa tsena mo lefelong leo ka gore go a bo go na le batho ba ba ka di dirisang.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: O tlhalose gore e... MR LELATISITSWE: The project e rraetsho, e tshwanetse go simolola mo this financial year yone ya 2022/23, ke dumela jalo gore construction o a itse gore ke dikonteraka tsa rona tsa Batswana, ke tsone tse di dirang, mme ga re ka ke ra ema fa, re bo re re e ka wela within a short period of time, mme yone e filwe selekanyo sa ngwaga.
Fa e le gore ba a diega fela jaaka re tlhola re bona, maloba ke ne ke na le wena kwa kgaolong, ba bangwe ba phuagantse ditiro, tsone dikonteraka tsa rona tsa Batswana.

Ga ke itse gore jaanong fa ke go neela date fa, ke tlaabo ke sa itsenya kgole mo molaleng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, we overshot the runway.

Let us move on to Appropriation Bill.

APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!
Order!

Honourable Members.

The debate on the Bill is resuming, when the House adjourned ...(Interruptions)… Honourable Minister Autlwetse was on the floor and he is left with 12 minutes 36 seconds.

MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR AUTLWETSE): Mbidzi, ke setse ke buile.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Tsena fela o bue malome.

MR AUTLWETSE: Ke setse ke buile Mbidzi.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Khama is the one on the floor.
27 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) LEADER OF THE MINORITY (MR KHAMA): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Good afternoon to you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, I was proceeding to the conclusion, in particular at the time, I was reading on SDG 4.

SDG 4 obviously we were talking about things related to the quality of education.
Mr Speaker, jaaka ke ne ka bua gore kwa kgaolong ya me, kwa Serowe West, dikole tsone tota ke makgasa fela, didirisiwa mo dikoleng ga di yo.

Ke ne ka tlhalosa gore bana fa ba ya kwa sekoleng, tota fa o ka bona gore classrooms tsa bone gore di ntse jang, le kwa go apewang dijo teng, nnyaa, ga go a siama, mme go ne go ntse fela jalo, go tsweletse.

Ga ke bone gore Goromente o leka go baakanya dilo tse di tshwanang le tsone tse.

Fa re tswa mo kgannyeng yone eo, ke batla go fetela kwa go SDG 3 ya botsogo.
Fa o bona dipatela tsa rona, especially jaaka fa ke ka go bolelela gore Sekgoma Memorial kwa Serowe, se se gologolo, Serowe Clinic, Dimajwe Clinic le clinic e nngwe gape mo Serowe di di kgologolo.

Baoki ba a tlhaela, melemo le yone ga e yo.

Dikoloi le ambulances tse di thusang batho kwa dikokelong le tsone di a tlhaela.
So ke a ipotsa gore fa re lebile sustainable economy, mme re sa kgone go tlhokomela botsogo jwa Batswana, tota ra reng ka kgang yone e. That is why ke ne ke bua kgantele ke re this Budget Speech, tota ga e a lebagana sentle le reality on the ground.

Fa o kare ke mafoko fela, go kwadilwe gatwe tsamaya o ye go dira Budget Speech.

Budget speech ke eng?

Fa le ka tsamaisa Budget Speech le botsogo jwa Batswana le ka fa Batswana ba tshelang ka teng, le tsile go bona gore Budget Speech e e a tlhaela.
Jaaka Tona wa Immigration kgantele, Mme Mokgethi a ntse a re ba ya go ntsha P2 million for Gender Based Violence (GBV).

P2 million ga se madi a sepe.

Ke raya Mr Speaker, fa o tsaya batho ba ba itewang mo lefatsheng la rona, maabane fela re utlwile gotwe lesole le bolaile mosadi wa gagwe.

Jaanong cases tse di tshwanang le tsone tse, fa ba ya go seka, go duela mang?

Motho fa a sa kgone go ituelela lawyer, P2 million o ya go felela kae?
Gape fa motho a iteilwe kwa ntlong ya gagwe, o ya go siela kae, kwa ntlong ya ga mang?

Fa a tsena kwa ntlong ya GBV, o tsile go fitlhela batho ba ba ka mo tlhokomelang gone koo, ba ba mo apeelang dijo, ba ba mo rekelang diaparo ka gore gongwe ba kgagotse diaparo tsa motho ene yo.

Gape e bile gongwe motho yo le ene o batla go isiwa sepatela ka fa a iteilweng ka teng, le fa a sa kgone go ya kwa sepateleng sa ga Goromente, a bo a isiwa kwa private hospital, P2 million o ya go felela kae?
That is why ke re this GBV issue e e fetotsweng ke Molale in the 11th Parliament gore it should be elevated to the President, it was an injustice to anybody who has suffered through GBV, it was an injustice!

Lona lotlhe maDomkrag le e dumetse kgang yone eo, so le se ka la tla, le bo le re bolelela ka P2 million-nyana wa lona, le bo le re nnyaa, tota se se ne se diragala kwa 11th Parliament, le ne la dumalana le Molale fa a fetola the Motion wa ga Rre Boko.
Dikgang tse di lebagane le lona, you are responsible, anybody yo o iteilweng ke motho yo mongwe a sa kgone go tlhokomelwa, ke Mapalamente a Domkrag ba ba fetisitseng molao ole, it is on your heads, le tlaa ipona lona ka kgang yone e. Le tlaa arabela ba ba tswang go tlhaselwa ke batho bone bao, le tlaa kopana nabo ka kgang yone eo.
I think it is very sad because Mr Speaker, in 1975, when most of these Parliamentarians were not born at that time, nako ya fa go ne go buiwa ka kgang ya madi a Pula le bo Botswana Defence Force (BDF), I remember that time Tautona wa pele Sir Seretse Khama, o ne a bitsa Mapalamente a kganetso a re re na le kgang ya madi a Botswana, gape re tlhasetswe ke maRhodesia, ga re ka ke ra lwantsha ntwa ele ka mapodise, re tshwanetse go nna le defence force.
Ba bo ba kopana, ba buisanya kgang yone e, kwa bofelong, fa ba tswa kwa State House, ke ne ke le teng, ke a itse, ga go na ope fa yo o ka ganetsang, le ne le seyo lotlhe, le Tsogwane o ne a ise a nne Mopalamente ka nako ya teng.

At time, ba ne ba tswa go dumalana ba re ee, tota re batla gore go nne le sesole and gape re batla madi a rona a Botswana.

Go ne ga buisanngwa.


Nako ya fa re tlhaselwa ke COVID, re kopile jalo gore... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, TK, gatwe le ne le…(Inaudible)... kwa lelwapeng BDF… MR KHAMA: O a ntlhodia Healy.

Rre Saleshando o... HONOURABLE MEMBER: A se ka a bua ka COVID ka gore o ne a re ga e yo.

MR KHAMA: ...kile a e bua fela jalo, a re re kopa gore le rona re akgele mo kgannyeng e, le se ka la re tlogela kwa morago... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order Mr Speaker.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: TK, le ne la ngala, le bo le tsamaya le gana go bua.

LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Point of order.

Mr Speaker, ke batla gore Motlotlegi Tshekedi Khama, e re fa a bua jaana, Batswana ba mo utlwe sentle.

A re tlhasela e bile a bitsa le maina a rona gore re ne re seyo, dilo tseo fa di diragala o a itse o ne 28 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

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Gongwe a admit gore o ne a na le influence, go raya gore sepe se se neng se sa tsamaye sentle, o ne a na le input ka boene, ka gore ke ene a neng a le teng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Gatwe ba e rerile kwa lelwapeng BDF.

MR SPEAKER: What is out of order?

MR TSOGWANE: Point of order is that, when you imply that, “you guys were not around, and I know when these things were made, I was around,” go bua Tshekedi.

The implication is that he has an input, he influenced everything that was happening that time.
So he should not accuse us for not even being there… HONOURABLE MEMBER: There is no point of order there.

MR TSOGWANE: …he cannot accuse us for not having been there, because we were not privileged to be there.

He was privileged and he had an influence on everything that was happening.

MR SPEAKER: ...(Inaudible)... order Vice President (VP)?

MR TSOGWANE: Rra?

MR SPEAKER: ...(Inaudible)... order.

MR TSOGWANE: It is what?

MR SPEAKER: I do not know his argument.


MR KHAMA: O a bona gore Mothusa Tautona o… HONOURABLE MEMBER: TK, a ke nnete BDF e ne e direlwa mogoloo?

MR KHAMA: ...kwa tlasetlase, ke ne ke le nine years old ke tswa sekoleng, e seng gore ke ne ke tsene mo diofising.

Le fa o ...(Inaudible)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ne a seyo, a le kwa Orapa.

Ga re itse gore kwa Orapa o ne a dira eng.

MR KHAMA: …dikgang tseo.

Dilo tse a di buang, e bile ke ne ke le... HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ne a fetola maina kwa Orapa.
MR KHAMA: …ka re o nkutlwe sentle.

Mr Speaker, nako ele fa ba... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Goriana o monnye TK, o ne o le nine years MR KHAMA: …kwa Palamenteng.

Ka State of Emergency (SoE), go ne go sena tumalano epe mo gare ga lona le rona gore re ka le thusa jang, le ganne.

Le Rre Tsogwane o ganne, so le ne la gana, mme o ne a le teng nako ya fa a gana, gakere.

That is why fa le bua mo speech sa lona sa estimates se, le bua gore madi ga a yo.
Yes, re ne re seyo, madi ka fa a dirisitsweng ka teng ke lona, e ne e se rona.

Gape le tswa go itaya own goal ya lona, e Rre Tsogwane o ne a le teng fa le bua ka P100 billion wa madi a a tserweng.

Jaanong le a gakgamala fa Financial Action Task Force (FATF), ba re ba re tsentse mo grey listing, le bua ka terrorism.
Ke own goal ya lona eo, jaanong you are paying the penalty, e le neng le le mo diphuthegong tsa teng re seyo, le rona re ka bo re tsile ra le gakolola gore go dirwa jaana le jaana, le se ka la tsaya chances ka matshelo a Batswana.

Ke ne ke batla go feta ka yone e gore, Rre Tsogwane o tsaya gore ke ne le dingwaga di le nine, ke tswa sekoleng ke bo ke ya go tsena mo diphuthegong tse, nnyaa.

Jaanong ga ke itse, fa e le gore re na le... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Gatwe le ne le dira jalo TK.
MR KHAMA: …yo o ntseng jaana, ga ke itse gore re ya kae jaanong ka kgang e. Healy, didimala… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, o ne a le kwa Orapa motho yoo.

MR KHAMA: …o se ka wa ntsenya modumo rra, nte ke fetse.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Laughter!

)… MR KHAMA: The next one e ke batlang go feta ka yone ke ya metsi, clean water; SDG 6.

Mr Speaker, ke utlwa gore le ntse le epela dipompo go tsaya metsi kwa Masama go a isa kwa Gaborone le kwa a yang teng.
Mo dingwageng tse di fetileng since 2017, 2018 and 2019 go fitlha ngwaga o, dipompo tse di isang metsi kwa Serowe ga gona beke e e fetang di sa thubega.

Nako le nako batho ba Water Utilities Corporation (WUC) ba leka ka fa ba lekang ka teng, go baakanya dipompo tseo.

Ke gone batho ba Roads ba tsenang mo tseleng ele, go leka go e baakanya morago ga gore batho ba swe mo dikotsing, ka gore tsela e le e ne e senyegile.
Le gone jaana, ga gona beke e e fetang metsi a sa goroge kwa metseng… 29 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR KHAMA: …e e bapileng le yone, mme le bona go ntse go siame fela le sa go baakanye.

Fa re bua ka SDGs, clean water, re raya lefatshe lotlhe, e seng bangwe fela re re ke bone ba ba bonang ditlhabololo, ba bangwe owai!

re setse kwa morago.


Kgang e e nkisa to the same... HONOURABLE MEMBER: O raya tse di kwa Serowe?

MR MOSWAANE: Clarification.

Thank you Honourable TK.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Go na le kgang e o neng o e tshwere ka botswerere thata ya gender, e o e buileng ka lebaka le le leele.

A ko o tlhalose TK gore, ka go tswa goo-Lowe re ntse re na le P50 million budget e e neng e ya kwa economic empowerment scheme, lenaneo le le na le more than four years le eme gotwe it is being reviewed.
A mme fa re bua ka GBV e e dirwang ke Puso against bomme, a ga o bone selo se e le bosetlhogo?

Ke raya ka gore budget e e ntse e le teng dingwaga tse tsotlhe, mme e emisitswe, e tshwana le lenaneo la poverty eradication le le setseng le na le more than three or four years le sa bonale mo Francistown.

Mathata a tswa fa kae?

Thank you sir.

MR KHAMA: Thank you Honourable Moswaane.
Ke potso e e siameng tota, ka gore fa o leba se se kwadilweng mo Budget Speech e, go ne gotwe… let me see if I can find it, there was a comment ya gore “bold decisions will have to be taken.” Fa go ntse go buiwa jaana gotwe bold decisions, bold decisions a go raya gore… le nna ke batla go e botsa le go e tlhaloganya potso e. A go raya gore tse dingwe re a di lebala, and then we make that bold decision go di lebala, kana tse dingwe ga re na go tswelela ka tsone, and we make that bold decision to do that?
This Budget Speech e ntse e tsweletse fela ka kgang eo, gore mananeo a mangwe a a ka bong a dule bogologolo ga a yo, ga a bonale.

Bo Ipelegeng, LIMID and ISPAAD di ne di emisitswe nako nngwe, e le fela go tsosa modumo gore le bo le a busetsa gore a tswelele.

Mme ka fa Batswana ba sotlegang ka teng... HONOURABLE MEMBER: ISPAAD e na le four years backlog!

MR KHAMA: Ehe, exactly, le go fa batho masimo le ditsha, ga gona, go emisitswe.
So fa o raya Motswana o re tsamaya o ye go tlhagola kana o ye go itirela botshelo botoka, ga gona ka fa a ka dirang ka teng, ka gore le tshwere madi le lefatshe.

Le bo le re le batla gore ka 2036 re bo re robile sengwe, mme go ntse go padile gone jaana gore re emelele.

Ke batla go itse mo Palamenteng e ya Domkrag, ya maCava, sorry Domkrag ga e a bolo go swa, maCava, ke batla go le botsa gore tota fa le dira jaana, la reng ka gore Batswana ba a sotlega ga ba na ditiro le dijo?
Fa ke lebile SDG e nngwe gape fa, e supa fela gore go tshwanetse gore mongwe le mongwe a bo a kgona go bona tiro… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR KHAMA: …le dijo tse a di jang.

Fa le re le tlile go re phakisa dijo, ga se botshelo, motho o batla go ithekela, a itirela kana a lema ka boene.

E seng gore o mo phakise nako le nako.

So fa le bua ka Vision 2036… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Patron ke ene motho wa go phakisa.
MR KHAMA: …ke ipotsa gore tota is this Budget Speech e tlhamaletse, e lebagane le your own goals tse lona le di beileng, mme o kare le tlile go tlhaela.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification TK.

MR KHAMA: E nngwe gape e ke batlang go feta ka yone, ke fetile ka dikole.
Clinics ke buile gore tseo ga di bereke gotlhelele, di teng ee batho ba teng go bereka, but thuso e ba e bonang mo go tsone, and ga se molato wa batho ba ba berekang koo, molato o tswa fela in your headquarters gore, ke eng melemo e sa goroge koo.

Dilo tse ke kopa gore le ye go di lebelela, baakanyang ka koo, ke gone jaanong le ye go baakanya dilo tse le di tshabang.

Since the last three years, re bone the grading of corruption ya Botswana e ile kwa tlase.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Rre Khama.


MR KHAMA: Nnyaa, ema pele.

Ke tlaa go fa kgantele.

Jaanong go ne go na le kgang ya SoE, le ne le bua gore masks di rekwa bokae, I do know whether it was P6 kana P15 fela jalo, mme mo Budget Speech e le bua gore le tshwanetse go lebelela gore madi a dirisiwa jang.

Fa go bua lona ba le senyang, le ya go ikaraba jang?

Ga le ka ke.

Ga le ka ke la ikaraba, ka gore ke lona ba le senyang.

Ke lona ba le dirang SoE.


Ke lona ba le neng le re le batla SoE go dira jaana le jaana.

Le re beile fela kwa thoko fa re tsena mo Palamenteng.

Ke ne ke re ke a tlhalosa before Honourable Vice President (VP) a akgela.

Ke ne ke re go a buisanwa.

Batho ba re lebile gore Palamente ya rona ke e e ntseng jang.

Ba bangwe ba ne ba kgatlhega pele jaanong ba a re tshega.

Ditshwetso tse re di tsayang 30 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) mo Palamenteng, ke tsa lona, ga se tsa Batswana.

Le rona re emetse Batswana, mme fa le sa re reetse, go raya gore bone bale le ba beile fa thoko, le ipatlela ba lona fela.

Le a itse gore le gorogile kwa ditlhophong tsa 2019 jang.

Mma ke fete ka eo Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke dilo tse o neng o di dira, o di itse botoka gakere?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ee, o a di itse, o a le bolelela, ga a le botse.

O a di itse.
O a di itse.

MR KHAMA: Go na le yo o tsosang modumo Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke mogoloo TK.

MR SPEAKER: No!

No!

This is not a freedom square.

MR KHAMA: A ko o mo kgalemele motho yole, a se ka a lebala gore o mo Palamenteng.

O tlhoka maitseo motho yole, mo gakolole Mr Speaker.

Ee, o dirile sentle wa mmolelela gore golo fa ga se freedom square.

A itshware, fa a palelwa bogolo a tswele kwa ntle a ye go ntsha mowa gone kwa.

Jaanong... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke botoka ga ke tshwane le wena.
MR KHAMA: Ga o ka ke wa tshwana le nna, moririnyana oo wa gago ke... Mr Speaker, a re fete ka eo and not answer the side remarks tse di senang mosola.

Kgang ya dipeterole, sugar tax, dijo, motlakase, metsi, go okeletsa Batswana dilo tse, mme go sena madi.

Tota potso ya me e boela kwa kgannyeng ya go okeletsa Batswana madi a lekgetho, a re e beye fela jalo.

Maabane ke fa ke utlwa gore lephata la ga Mme Kereng ba okeditse park fees.

Ga ke gane gore parks di batla go tlhabololwa.


Nako e, re batla gore batho ba ba sa kgoneng go tswela kwa ntle ka gore ga ba na madi a go duela Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) kana ba tshaba mokento, whatever the case is, ba tsene mo mafelong a diphologolo tsa rona.

Re a itse gore go goroga go bokete mo go bone because of dipeterole le boroko.

Fa le okeditse park fees, go raya gore Batswana ba tlile go tshaba go ya kwa mafelong a diphologolo.

Re batla Batswana ba itse lefatshe la bone.


Ba tsene thata mo lefatsheng.

Ba ithute ka lefatshe la bone e le bajanala.

Ba tlile go gakgamala ba re thaakaa!

ke ne ke sa itse gore go na le se, le se gone fa.

Jaanong re isitse madi kwa godimo.

Ke kopa Tona wa Diphologolo a lebelele kgang e, gore tsweetswee, se kganeleng Batswana ka go isa madi kwa godimo gore ba se ka ba tsena mo lefelong la diphologolo.

Ke batla go feta ka kgang ya crime; Mr Speaker, ke ne ke bua bogologolo ke re fang mapodise madi.
Ga ba na police stations.

Police stations di tshwana fela le clinics, di onetse.

Fa o bona kwa Serule, ba dule mo go yone, ba nna fela mo two and a half.

Nako le nako fa o feta mo Serule, o tlile go fitlhela mapodise gone foo, up until midnight, 2 o’clock in the morning.

Re ba beile fela mo room ya two and half, la re ke police station, ao!

Tiro e ba e dirang e bokete.

Re tlhasetswe ke magodu gape, Rre Dikoloti o a itse gore go ne ga diragala eng.
Jaanong ra re mapodise ga ba yo, hirang mapodise, batho ba batla ditiro.

Le hire kwa sepodiseng gore re lwantshe magodu.

Se sengwe gape fa re bua ka crime, ke kgang ya diphologolo kwa Okavango.

Ditshukudu ba di feditse.

Masole ba ne ba ile teng go di tlhokomela.

Ga ke batle go boela mo kgannyeng ya ditlhobolo tsa mawildlife, ka gore re kile ra e bua kwa Palamenteng.

Le ganne gape gore re ye go lwantsha poachers ka mawildlife.

Jaanong bona diphologolo di fedile.


Ga di yo ditshukudu, go setse di le kae; go itse lona.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go itse lona.

You have tagged them.

MR KHAMA: Didimala wena!

Fa o batla go bona ditshukudu, o ya go di bona kae?

O tlaabo o re, mme di ne di le teng gone fa.

Ka nako ya ga semangmang ... MR BOKO: Point of order.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko, we do not have time for this kind of staff.

MR BOKO: No, there is point of order.

MR SPEAKER: What is out of order?


MR BOKO: Mr Speaker, can you kick Honourable Healy out of this House, we want to listen.

He is making too much noise.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: O tshwana fela le lona.

MR KHAMA: Mr Speaker, ka fa ke godisitsweng a teng, ga ke ka ke ka tlhasela Healy ka fa a ntlhaselang ka teng.

Ka fa re godisitsweng ka teng, go supa gore ga re tshwane.

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Ke kopa o dire jalo.

Healy, I am telling you straight, fa o bua ke ne ke sa dire jalo.

Le fa o romilwe, ka gore o tlwaetse go dira jalo, o itshware.

Nna... MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Go raya gore le wena o romilwe TK, ke belaela o romilwe le wena.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Motho yo o rekisa motokwane wa itse.

MR SPEAKER: Information Technology (IT), park Honourable Healy, just park him!

Enough is enough!
Enough is enough!

MR KHAMA: The second last point I want to go on to Mr Speaker is diversification of the economy.

Ke a itse gore nako ya fa ke ne ke le mo Cabinet, re ne ra bua ka diversification of the economy.

Re ne re na le mogopolo gore lephata lengwe le lengwe le tle ka mogopolo wa lone gore go ka dirwa jang.

Re ne ra dira jalo.

Ke batla go botsa fela gore mo dingwageng tse di fetileng, since 2018, megopolo ele e feletse kae?
Nako e ya COVID, we need sustainable development and diversification of the economy.

Re a itse gore diamonds le tsone di tlile go fela.

Fa di fedile, re tlile go bona botshelo ka eng ka gore tota ga re a ipaakanya?

Fa le lebile 2036, a knowledge- based economy as well, middle income, gore re tsamaya fa kae, inflation ke utlwa gore e felela kwa go 10 per cent.

Fa inflation e le kwa go 10 per cent jalo, and then unemployment ya banana generally e tsamaya kwa go 24 per cent, mme le bua ka 2036.
Re bua gape ka tse dingwe tse, tota le a bona gore it is not going to add up.

This will not add up, there is a deficit.

Deficit e e teng, kwa ntle ga madi, ke gore le reye Batswana le re, fa le batla go iteka, a ko re bueng kgang e. Fa e le gore le batla go tsena mo dikgwebong, a re yeng go dira jalo.

Let me give you an example; when I was in Cabinet, ke ne ka kopa gore go nne le mephato e le four kana five.

E le youth, agriculture, infrastructure, tourism, le e nngwe gape.
Ke ne ke kopile gore mephato e yotlhe e ntshetswe P120 million.

Tona wa Youth a lebagane le dilo tse di lebaganeng le banana and sport, he is not a scientist, ga se an agriculturist, ga se molemi.

Fa batho ba adima madi, ga a ka ke a kgona go bona gore a dirisiwa jang, eo ke tiro ya agriculture.

Go fiwe Agriculture P120 million wa Youth Development Fund (YDF), Infrastructure P120 million wa YDF, Tourism P120 wa YDF.

Ke ne ka kopa gore maphata a, a kopane go bona gore re ka thusa banana jang.
Go nna bokete mo go Goromente go thusa mongwe le mongwe.

Fa re bua ka diversification of economy, a ko le botseng ba bangwe gore re ka dira jang ka gore Batswana ba a sotlega jaaka ke ntse ke bua.

Banana ka COVID, o a itse gore go ne go le bokete jang mo go bone.

Jaanong fa go ntse jaana, go raya gore mafatshe a mangwe a tsile go re sia.
Bana ba ba senang sekole, fa e le gore ga ba pase ka fa ba tshwanetseng go pasa ka teng, fa ba ya go batla ditiro kwa ntle, ga ba ka ke ba bona ditiro tse di tshwanang le tsa ba bangwe.

So, a re ba fe chance gore at least fa re sa kgone go ba hira mo Botswana, re ba fe education e e gaisang ya mafatshe a mangwe.

and then re bo re ba raya re re tsamayang le ye go batla ditiro kwa le ka yang go di batla teng ka gore rona ga re kgone go le hira mo Botswana.
Go tlaabo go o fa ba bangwe space gore le bone ba batle ditiro gore le bone ba bone botshelo jo bo botoka.

Sa bofelo Mr Speaker, kgang e re lwantshang Batswana re le Batswana, golo moo go tshwanetse go emisiwa.

Ke tlile go kopa mo Palamenteng.

Go monate gore re tlhasetse Kgosi Kgafela kana former President mme reputation ya lona le le mo Botswana ga e a re ema sentle.
Le fa re tsaya gore re dira sentle kana re batla go swabisa batho ka go dira jalo, ga re dire sentle ka gore Batswana ba tlotla Dikgosi tsa bone.

Jaanong fa e le gore le ya go ba tlhasela, le a itse gore e tlaabo e tsosa kgang e nngwe jaanong?

So, ke ne ke kopa gore lona ba le setseng kgang e morago, dirang sengwe, baakanyang gore Batswana botlhe ba kgone go boela gae, e seng ka nako fela ya fa go na le leso mo lesikeng la bone.

Ga go a siama, le gone go ne go padile.


Dilo tse di lebaganeng le lona ba ba mo Pusong, ga gona …(Inaudible)... Mr Speaker, the last point ke the development hubs.

Ke ne ke kopa rra gore fa e le gore le batla go tlhabolola Botswana, NDP 11 le 12 di siame re a itse mme madi a CCPs a a boele tsweetswee, ke gone re tlaa tlhabololang lefatshe la rona.

Ke ngwaga wa bobedi go sena madi a CCPs kwa Serowe.

Jaanong o kare ditiro tsa rona di eme fela gone foo.
Fa e le gore le dirisa polotiki go dira jalo, le itse fela gore phathi ya Domkrag e simolotse kwa Serowe bogologolo.

Jaanong ka gore le jelwe kwa ditlhophong le batla go gana go re fa madi, le batla go swabisa Batswana.

Nnyaa, le se ka la dira jalo ke a le kopa ka tsweetswee.

Motswana mongwe le mongwe, irrespective gore o tswa mo phathing efe kana o tlhopha mang, o na le tshwanelo ya go tshela sentle mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
Fa le tima motho botshelo ga le 32 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) dire sentle, le a itse gore ga le dire sentle.

Ke batla gore you go and search your conscience on this thing and consider gore a se le se dirang a se siame kana le batla Botswana to become what it used to be.

Mr Speaker, on this point, there is no better term that I want to use now, that is to say, we need to make Botswana great again.
Ke tlaa e bua gape, we need to make Botswana great again.

Thank you.

MR SPEAKER: IT, you can unpack Honourable Healy.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A bake.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nkabo a ne a pack le Gobotswang.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!

)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le ene o fitlhela a tsosa modumo.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY (GABORONE CENTRAL): Thank you Mr Speaker, ke lebogela go bo o mpuseditse, o ne o nkgapetse kwa ntle ka motsotswana.

Good afternoon Mr Speaker, good afternoon Honourable Members.
Mr Speaker, I want to thank you for tshono e o e mphileng e ya gore le nna ke latlhele tlhware legonyana …(Interruptions)… dikakanyo tse tsame tse.

Mr Speaker, o nne o re tsaya ka tekatekano, kana Dr Gobotswang o modumo mme o fitlhela o kare o a mo lebala fa o ntse o re pack jaana.

Legale ke a lemoga gore ke mogolo gongwe o a bo o mo itshwarela.

Mr Speaker, Tona ya Madi Motlotlegi Serame e rile ka di 7 tsa kwedi ya Tlhakole, a re baya pele kgaoganyo ya madi a setšhaba (Budget Speech).
Motlotlegi Serame o simolotse fela mo Paragraph 2 go bua gore kgaoganyo e ya madi a setšhaba e fiwa mo seemong sa itsholelo se se sa iketlang, se se dirilweng thatathata ke bolwetse jo jwa COVID-19.

Gape pele ga ke tswelela, mo Paragraph 3 o ne a re lemotsha fa e le gore ke ene mme wa ntlha go fiwa maemo a Minister of Finance.

Jaanong ke re ke tseye sebaka se le nna fela jaaka bakaulengwe go mo phophotha ke mo akgole gore you have made history, you are a history maker madam.
When the history of this country is told, leina la ga Peggy Onkutlwile Serame will be amongst those who are mentioned as firsts, the first to do this or the first to do that.

Go tlaa buiwa gore you are the first woman Finance Minister mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Gape ke tseye sebaka se go akgola bomme ba bangwe ba e leng gore fa e sale labofelo re le fa, le bone ba ne ba fiwa gongwe firsts as well.
The Permanent Secretary to the President (PSP), Mme Emma Peloetletse, ke dumela gore she is the first woman to ever be the PSP as well as her deputy, gotlhe le the Judge President Tebogo Tau.

Mme Peggy serame, you are in fine company, you are in the company of women of firsts.

Ke boe gape ke go akgole mmaetsho.

Honourable Serame o buile ka Budget Pitso Consultation on your Number 4.

Ke re ke go akgole mma.


This process e ya rona ya budgeting is very important gore e simolole jaaka e a tle e buiwe ka puo ya seeng gotwe from the bottom-up gore go buiwa le batsayakarolo ka go farolgoana ga bone, re simolola fela ka structures tsa rona tsa di Village Development Committees (VDCs).

E bo e tla e ntse e tlhatlologana, e tlhatlologana, batsayakarolo ka go farologana ba nna ba akgela gore ba bona budget ya rona e ka nna jang.
Jaanong ke re golo moo ke selo se se tshwanetseng go tswelela, especially mo lefatsheng le le tshwanang le la rona la puso ya batho ka batho, as well as what the Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) has promised ka 2019 Manifesto, to run an inclusive Government.

Ke dilo tse di amogelesegang.

Gape mo go yone eo, o ne wa bua ka calls for more budget to be allocated to development projects.
Ke tsaya gore jaaka bakaulengwe ba le bantsi ba buile, ke gopola gore Honourable Lelatisitswe o kile a e kgoma e e buang gore madi a ditlhabololo a okediwe ka gore re lefatshe le le tlhabologang, le le santseng le tlhoka clinics.

Ke gopola gore le Honourable Regoeng o kile a e kgoma.

Re lefatshe le le santseng le tlhoka dipatela le dikole.

Go maleba gore madi a ditlhabololo a nne fa godimonyana.
Re a lemoga mmaetsho gore o lekile le ntswa gongwe mongwe a ka re ga re ise re goroge koo mme o re solofeditse gore ke yone tsela e o e tsayang go simolola mo letsatsing la gompieno go ya kwa pele.

O ya go leka gore dikgang tse tsa ditlhabololo o di beye kwa pele.

Kana o ne o re maintenance of social and economic infrastructure.

Jaanong fa o bua ka social infrastructure, o bua ka dilo tse di agang setšhaba, boleng jwa batho.
Sengwe se ke neng ke batla gore gongwe ke se go gakolole fa o bua ka go aga setšhaba, ke non-state actors kana ba ba ikemetseng ka nosi ba ba thusang Puso gongwe ka dikgang tse di tshwanang le consultations le interests sa civil society jalo le jalo.

Makgotla a umbrella 33 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) jaaka bo Botswana Council of Non-Governmental Organisations (BOCONGO) le Botswana Community Based Organisations Network (BOCOBONET) a a akaretsang makgotla a a ikemetseng ka nosi, Non- Governmental Organisations (NGOs) or non-state actors, go maleba gore o oketse madi a o ba neelang because when you talk of social infrastructure, this is the social infrastructure.
Fa bo BOCONGO fa ba leng teng gone jaana, I believe ba neelwa P300 000 every quarter kana P100 000 kgwedi le kgwedi.

Jaanong o ka lemoga gore madi a o ga a lekana.

Golo moo force our Civil Society Organisations (CSOs) gore di simolole go ikgolaganya le ba mafatshe a sele gore ba ba thuse.

Mme kana golo moo go tlisa interests tsa bone batho ba mafatshe ao.

Interests tseo ga se gore ka dinako tsotlhe di nyalana le interests tsa Batswana.
Go tlaabo e le gore, ke fe sekai, gongwe kgang nngwe e Batswana ba nang le maikutlo a a rileng ka yone, e bua ka ditshwanelo tsa setho kana sengwe sa go nna jalo.

Fa ba simolola ba kgona go nna le madi a a tswang kwa ntle ga lefatshe, ba kgona go itlhaganelela go ya court rather than gongwe push a referendum e Batswana ba tlaa buang maikutlo a bone.

Ba tlaabo ba kgona go tabogela kwa court.


Ba bo ba felela gongwe ba tswa ka outcomes tse e leng gore fa o tsena mo Batswaneng o leka go utlwa gore maikutlo a bone ke eng, gongwe nako e nngwe ga ba dumalane le se e leng gore has been imposed on them through a court.

When maybe they could have had an opportunity through a referendum to reiterate their position.

Jaanong ke re, when you talk about social infrastructure o se ka wa lebala makgotla a go nna jalo.
Mme Serame, ke itumelela gape jaaka o buile ka gore o tlaa oketsa madi a projects, allocation of more money to complete ongoing projects and maintenance of the existing ones.

Nngwe ya dilo tse re bonang tota di re beile ka fa mosing, ke go tlhoka to maintain existing infrastructure.

Go a itumedisa fa o ntse o supa gore that is the direction you want to go.
Paragraph number five; talks about the President’s Reset Agenda, priority number one e e buang ka go tlamela matshelo a Batswana mo segajajeng se sa COVID-19.

Go supa tlhoafalo e, o a bona mo budget ya gago the lion’s share, o file ba Ministry of Health ka P16 billion.

Go a supa tota gore this Reset Agenda priority number one, go babalela matshelo a Batswana mo segajajeng sa COVID-19, ke mo Motswana a tleng gongwe a re, put your money where your mouth is.
Go a supa tota maikaelelo a teng, go supafala ka matshebetshebe a melemo e e rekilweng, e e bileng motho a ka tsayang sebaka se go akgola Batswana go bo ba iketleeditse go ya go kentiwa.

E bile a ba rotloetse le go ya go tsaya booster shots.

Re sa lebale le ba ga rona ba ba re latlhegetseng ka ntata ya jone bolwetse jo jwa COVID-19, ba lelwapa, masika le ditsala, gomotsegang.
Rotlhe ke tsaya gore mo lefatsheng la Botswana fela jaaka re kile ra nna ka fa tlase ga kgatelelo ya segajaja sa Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV), the same thing with COVID-19, ke mo gotweng, you are either infected or affected.

Jaaka re itse gore mo Palamenteng re le bantsi bo kile jwa re tsena bolwetse jo.

Go a supa tota gore we are really focused on this one.
Number six; Mme Serame, o ne o bua ka P3 billion maintenance of public infrastructure, e o buileng gore the bulk of it e tlaa beelwa dikompone tsa benggae.

Ke batla go tsenya lentswe la me mo lentsweng la Mapalamente ba ba setseng ba buile pele ga me gore, let us not talk about the bulk, let us talk about the entirety of that P3 billion, gore a beelwe bagwebi ba Batswana.
E bile re se ka ra re bagwebi ba Batswana fela, re re bagwebi ba Batswana re kaelwa ke Economic Inclusion Act e re e fetisitseng mo Ntlong e. Ke a itse Honourable Lelatisitswe o kile a e kgoma, Honourable Molebatsi Molebatsi le ene o ne a bua ka yone thata, gore, re fetisitse molao o o botlhokwa wa Economic Inclusion Act, jaanong fa re ya kwa pele, anything to do with procurement must always be guided by this Act, gore re tsenya jang Batswana mo itsholelong.
Jaanong P3 billion o a beelwe bo rakonteraka ba Batswana, targeted Batswana, e seng fela mongwe le mongwe yo o nang le Omang, ba re bonang gore ba tlhoka go etleediwa.

Jaaka re kile ra nna le bo Boswa Construction, Tlhoraboroko, tse dintsi tse di neng di le teng, re sale re thuthuga, tse di agileng junior secondary schools tse di tletseng lefatshe le la Botswana.

We want to stimulate that, we want to bring that back.

CCP go tilwe di tlaa beelwa bo rakonteraka ba ba gaufi.
Fa o le mo toropong e e tshwanang ya Gaborone jaana, golo mo go tlile go tlhoka tota gore re thusane.

Fa o le mo kgaolong ya Gaborone Central for instance, fa o bua ka ba ba gaufi, go raya gore gongwe le batho ba e leng gore they are not in Gaborone Central kana ba se mo Gaborone gotlhelele ka gore companies tsa bo Commerce Park di tsaya licences gongwe kwa Ramotswa.
Jaanong gongwe go ya go tla company e tswa Ramotswa e bo e tla go tsaya ditiro tsa Gaborone Central tse benggae ba Gaborone Central ba tlhokang 34 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) ditirelo tseo, ba tlhoka go tsenya letseno, ba tlhoka gore ba hiriwe.

Re lemogile gore gantsintsi fa o tlisa dikonteraka tse di tswang go sele, o fitlhela e le gore ga di hire benggae.
Jaanong ke ne ke re go tlaa batla gore re thusane mo go e. Kana gongwe jaaka Honourable Kekgonegile a ntse a bua, fa o bua ka Maun gongwe go motlhofo gore o ka tlhotlha gore dikompone tsa Maun ke dife.

Fa o bua ka Gaborone kana kgaolo e e mo teng ga Gaborone jaaka Gaborone Legare, go nna thatanyana.

Ke ne ke re re se ka ra dira one size fits all.


Dikgang tse di ntseng jaana fa re leba dikgaolo tse di rileng jaaka bo Gaborone Central, re tshwanetse go nna le leitlho le le rileng gore implementation ya teng e nne le the desired outcome.

E nngwe e e itumedisang Mme Serame e bile ke le mo Komiting ya Finance and Estimates, yone e e lebaganyeng le budget, ke e o buileng gore ministry wa gago o ya go rekegela tsebe ka bothata jwa ba ba tlang ba batla madi a tlaleletso kana supplementary budget requests.
Ga le na go di dumela motlhofo.

Jaanong ke selo se se nametsang, ka gore kwa komiting ya rona ke a itse gore ke nngwe ya dikgang tse re nnang re ngongorega ka tsone, gore e kare tsamaiso e ya budget ga e salwe morago sentle, ka gore batho ba tlaabo ba itse gore ba ya go nna le tshono ya supplementary budget.

Go a itumedisa tota go go utlwa o re, you are going to be allergic to supplementary budget, ke a go akgola mmaetsho.
Jaaka go ntse go builwe, dikgang tse tsa grey listing by the Financial Action Task Force and blacklisting by the European Union, ke dilo tsa 2017… MEMBER: Clarification HONOURABLE honourable.

HONOURABLE Honourable Healy.

Emang MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: pele bakaulengwe, ke santse ke bua.

Ke dikgang tse di tswang kgakala, 2017, that is when we were grey listed by the FATF.

Jaanong ke a tle ke utlwe go buega gantsi mo Ntlong o kare ke sengwe se se diregileng gongwe ka 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021 kana 2022.
Nnyaa, golo mo go diragetse ka 2017 and motlhala wa dilo tse ka fa o ntseng ka teng, ga se selo se e leng gore batho fa ba le tlhola gangwefela fela ba a le blacklist kana grey list.

Fa o bona go diregile ka 2017, go raya gore go ne go le dingwaga pele ga 2017 kgang e e ntse e buiwa, lefatshe la Botswana le sa reetse.

Motho o ka ipotsa gore re ne re fitlha eng ka gore ke dikgang tse di buang ka money laundering, di bua ka botsokonopi jwa go nyeletsa madi a sena go tsewa ka fa go seng ka fa molaong.
Jaanong o ka ipotsa gore Party e ya ga Domkrag ka dingwaga tsa bo 2017 e ne e tshaba eng go tsena mo melaong e e tlaa supang gore madi fa a tserwe kwa a sa tshwanelang go ka tsewa teng a bo a tlhatswiwa a fitlhiwa, a felela a gorogile kwa a sa tshwanelang gore a kabo a le teng, Party ya ga Domkrag ka 2017, 2016, 2015 e ne e tshaba eng mo dikgannyeng tse…(Inaudible)…ka recommendations tsa ba Financial Action Task Force.
Le nna ke na le go ipelaetsa gore party e ya rona go ne go na le botsokonopi bongwe jo bo neng bo diragala ka fa tlase ga leitlho la Party ya Domkrag ka bo 2017.

Motho a ipotsa gore ke eng ba ne ba sa batle go ipetelela foo… MR MOSWAANE: Point of order.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke re the Honourable Member of Parliament is out of order because he is washing the party dirty linen in public.

Gongwe a ka ipaakanya ka gore go ne go ntse go busa Domkrag.

Thank you.
Thank you.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Ee, that is why ke ne ke re Domkrag gakere.

MR SPEAKER: Ga ke itse gore o bua ka ga eng, continue Honourable Healy.

MR MOSWAANE: Ke a leboga morena.

Thank you MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Mr Speaker.


Number 13; Honourable Serame o bua ka kgang e e reng, “it is therefore critical to strengthen accountability within Government for the implementation of agreed policies.” Botlhokwa jwa quote e cannot be over emphasised ka gore re le mapolotiki fa re dira policies… MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Just a second.

Re bo re di dumalana fa, then they are not implemented.
Honourable Serame, re batla gore dikgang tse o di sale morago ka gore Batswana e nna o kare re ba baya bobi mo matlhong.

Re a bo re dirile our part and then the Government machinery, technocrats, go bo go sa diragale their part.

Ke kopa gore o sale kgang e morago.

Mr Speaker, I will allow Honourable Rakgare to come in with his clarification.

Thank you.

MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR RAKGARE): Clarification.

Thank you very much Mr Speaker.

Tanki Honourable Member.


Honourable 35 MEMBER: Clarification HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Healy, a o ne o gakgamadiwa ke ka fa bagarona ba re nang nabo mo Palamenteng e le ba kganetso, ka dikakgelo tsa bone fa Mma Serame a tsile ka thulaganyo ya Financial Intelligence Bill, ka fa ba neng ba akgela ka teng?
Kana gompieno jaanong go lebega e le gore tse di neng di diragala mo dingwagenyaneng tsa bo 2017 le fa morago, ka go ne go busa mongwe e le ene moeteledipele wa lefatshe, yo ba leng gaufi thata le ene, a o ne o gakgamala gore ba ne ba bua ka fa ba neng ba akgela ka teng?
Kana go lebega e le gore dilo tse di neng di diragala tsa bo grey listing tse, tse di tswang kwa morago, ba ba nang le bone mo nakong ya gompieno, ba ba ba ratang lebaibai, ke bone ba ba neng ba eteletse lefatshe le pele, including Rre Khama.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: you Honourable Rakgare.

Mr Speaker, the Deputy Speaker also go ne go na le sengwe se a neng a batla go se botsa, if you will allow him.

Thank MR MOATLHODI: Clarification.

Ke a go leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Ke a go leboga thata Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Gaborone Legare, go ntetla go go tsenya mo ganong.

Ke kopa go go busetsa fa moragonyana.

Ka fa ke neng ke go utlwa ka teng, o ne o bua gore kgaolo ya gago e nne le funding e e rileng gore go itsiwe gore ke kgaolo e e rileng.
Jaanong ke re ke go botse fa e le gore ke go utlwile sentle mokaulengwe wa me yo ke mo ratang thata; ke gore Kgaolo ya Tonota, Kgaolo ya ga Thamaga, Kgaolo ya Lerala-Maunatala, ke fa sekai fela ka tsone, a o dumela gore di tlogelwe fela mo bosetlheng re lela ka go tlhoka dipatela?

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you Deputy Speaker.


Nnyaa ga ke rialo, I was speaking specifically to the Constituency Development Fund (CDF) or CCP gore kana fa o le kwa Tonota, kompone e e kwadisitsweng mo Tonota, go motlhofo to monitor it.

Jaanong mo Gaborone o kgona go fitlhela madi a Gaborone Central a felela gongwe mo komponeng ya kwa Ramotswa ka gore dikompone tse di kwa bo Commerce Park, di tsaya licenses kwa bo Ramotswa.

Ke ne ke raya jalo.
Ke ne ke raya jalo.

Honourable Rakgare, nnyaa jaaka ke setse le nna o bona gore ke ne ke leka go lemotsha gore dikgang tse di tswa kae, ga go gakgamatse mokaulengwe.

Ga go gakgamatse and we know why they were opposed to these things because …(Interruptions)… Kwa pele dikgang tse Honourable Rakgare ka fa di dirilweng ka teng, di na le gore di ka tshwara bangwe ba nako eo ba neng ba sa batle melao e e ka tsenngwa.

They have a vested interest so to speak in these matters.
I am not at all surprised sir, it is very consistent with what was to be expected.

Paragraph 42, Mma Serame o ne o bua ka Development Manager Approach to project delivery, e o neng o bua gore public projects are to be packaged and their implementation sourced to private companies.

Mma Serame, nngwe ya dikgang tse o fitlhelang re na le mathata mo go tsone which I hope this will solve ke mega projects tse go tlaabong gongwe di baya dikompone tsa benggae ka fa mosing.
Jaanong in implementing this Development Manager Approach, please make sure that it takes into consideration the Economic Inclusion Act, e e tlaa dirang gore dikonteraka tsa benggae di kgone go anya meamuso ya lefatshe la bone.

Jaanong mo go Number 52, o ne wa bua ka global economy recovery from COVID-19 recession.

Kana go ntse go na le supply chain challenges throughout the world ka ntata ya COVID-19.
Jaanong golo mo go dira gore dithoto le ditirelo di ne di ntse di tlhaela, the laws of supply and demand di supa gore fa dilo di tlhaela, ditlhwatlhwa tsa teng di ya go ya kwa godimo.

Selo seo ke sone se se felelang se dira gore re nne le mathata a inflation.

It is not unique to the country of Botswana, the world over is experiencing this problem ya inflation, koketsego ya dithotho ka lebelo le le kwa godimodimo.
Ke raya gore fa o ka tsaya sekai sa leokwane; every country throughout the world and sometimes including producers themselves, bo Nigeria le Angola, ba oketsa ditlhwatlhwa tsa peterole, bone bafetlhi ba peterole.

Jaanong o bo o ipotsa gore fa bafetlhi ba peterole ba kgona go oketsa ditlhwatlhwa, jaanong rona ba re senang peterole, ba re sa e fetlheng, ke eng se se ka re kganelang gore re oketse ditlhwatlhwa.
Kana fa petorole e oketsega go raya gore the cost of everything ka gore se tlisiwa ke diteraka jalo le jalo, di tlile go e oketsa.

Ka jalo ga go gakgamatse.

Jaanong mma ke tsene mo go tsa Gaborone Central ka pela Mr Speaker.

Kgaolo e ya Gaborone ka bophara, particularly Gaborone Central, re na le mathata a botsogo.

Re na le sepatela sa Princess Marina, mme kana ke sa lefatshe lotlhe.
Mma Serame, ke ne ke solofetse gore gongwe ke ya go utlwa o bua sengwe se se tiileng ka capacitating particularly clinics tsa Gaborone le Francistown ka gore we have got similar problems, ga re na district hospitals, re na le national referral hospitals.

Ke re ke nngwe ya dilo tse ke fitlhetseng di seyo fa.

36 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Sepatela sa Gaborone, district hospital is long overdue.
Jaanong jaaka re tsena mo NDP 12, ke kopa gore e nne nngwe ya dilo tse e leng gore we are going to prioritised them.

Re lekile go bua ka tsone kwa kgaolong fa re bodiwa ka dikgang tsa NDP 12, jaanong ke kopa gore le rona le re akanyetse kwa pele.

Kgaolo ya Gaborone Central e na le bo more than 30 years go sa agiwe dikole.

E na le primary schools tse four, le one junior and one senior in a population of more than 50 000.

Jaanong ke nngwe ya dikgang tse re tlileng go eletsa go di utlwa fa go iwa pele.
Re a bona gore di tlhaetse fa.

Number 44 o ne wa bua ka PPP kana kgwebo magareng ga Puso le ba ba ikemetseng ka nosi.

E mo teng o neng wa fa sekai ka Reclamation and Treatment of Gaborone Waste Water for Portable Use.

Ke tsaya gore golo mo go tlaa thusa toropo ya Gaborone le mafelo a a mabapi ka ditlhaelo tsa metsi.

Jaaka re ipona fela mo malatsing a mabedi a a ntseng a feta, re na le mathata a metsi.

Re solofela gore golo mo ke sengwe sa dilo tse di tlaa re thusang.
Number 46 go builwe ka Decentralisation Agenda.

Motho o ka eletsa gore gongwe mo toropong ya Gaborone, re iphitlhele re na le sub-districts tse pedi ka gore batho ba Gaborone Central in particular le batho ba Gaborone ka bophara ba a sokola.

There are more than 300 000 people in the district of Gaborone mme they are serviced ke council e le nngwefela.

Jaanong selo seo se tlhoka gore re se akanyetse.

Jaaka ke bua jaana batho ba Gaborone Central le fa o le kwa Maruapula, o ya go batla Lekgotla kwa Urban.
Fa o le kwa Ginger gatwe o ye kwa Ledumang.

Jaanong motho o akanya gore gongwe mo go tsone dikgang tse tsa decentralisation, o tlaa utlwa e bile gongwe finally Rre Autlwetse a re utlwela botlhoko, a re tlisetsa Kgotla kwa Gaborone Central.

Nngwe ya dilo tse di tlhobaetsang thatathata ke tsa crime.

Motho o a bona gore o okeditse madi a Ministry of Defence ka P135 million.
Jaanong dikgang tse tsa bo cash in transit robbery, traffic lights robbery, burglaries, re tsaya gore re tlaa bona di fokotsega ka ntata ya ditsompelo tse o di fang ba sepodise.

Sengwe se se ntlhobaetsang thata, se ntshwabisitse nko go gaisa molomo ke kgang ya Number 95; Orapa House Technology Park.

Mr Speaker, Orapa House is a building that was purpose built for diamond cutting and polishing.

Lefatshe la Botswana le na le competitive edge mo dikgannyeng tse tsa diteemane.
We will never lead the world in Information and Communications Technology (ICT).

We have never and we will never, but we have led in the area of diamonds.

So ke utlwa gotwe a facility e e tshwanang le Orapa House e ya go fetolwa gore e dire IT.

Ke bona e le tota jaaka re sentse go senya.

Building ele can be subdivided into cubicles, the first floor gongwe o ka e fa licensed holders ba diteemane mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Floor e nngwe o ka e fa ba cutting and polishing.


Batswana ba na le dingwaga tse dintsintsi ba dira business e, o ka ba rulaganya into small cooperatives; batho ba ba neng ba le kwa Serowe le Molepolole, ba tla go dira cutting and polishing.

Floor e nngwe o ka e dira mo gotweng Minerals Brokerage, wa dira gore ba ba nang le customers ba itse ba ba nang le se se batliwang jaaka bo diteemane, ba ba kopanye.

Lens for analysis, platforms for diamond trading and a diamond museum.
So this thing of turning Orapa House into something that will never lead, ga go a re siamela gotlhelele.

Mo go ya bofelo Mr Speaker, motho o ne a ka batla go itse go kgoma tse dingwe tse di kileng tsa buiwa fa re ntse re le mo debate e. Leader of Opposition (LOO) like the ...(Inaudible)…, patriarch that he is, e rile a bua a akgola Mme Serame, a dira jaaka re mo itse a etle a bue gore bomme ba tlile fa ba sikere dibeke, ba emetse fela go duelwa.
If you let me quote Mr Speaker, ke batla go dirisa mafoko a ga Honourable Kekgonegile ene ne a re BDP has no reformed potential go a dirisa fa, ke nopola mafoko a ga Rre Saleshando.

Rre Saleshando e rile a feleletsa go akgola Mma Serame, a re “ke solofela gore mo go farologaneng ga rona, ga o ka ke wa go dirisa gore kana le bona ke le mme.” Se a se buang ke gore, Mma Serame might play the gender card.
Golo moo is very consistent kwa the Leader of Opposition (LOO) jaaka re mo itse gore o nyatsa bomme tota, at any given opportunity fa go buiwa ka mme a leka go galalediwa, o tlaa supa sengwe se se tlaa supang gore nnyaa gongwe ke a dumalana, mme a bo a goga e nngwe go supa gore mole e ne e le gore bua fela.

Mma Serame, do not pull the gender card; that is what he said to you.
E nngwe e rile go arabiwa to what Honourable Tumiso Rakgare said with regards to the relationship between the UDC, Honourable Kapinga o ne a bua gore tsotlhe di siame fela.

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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) HONOURABLE MEMBER: On a point of order Mr Speaker.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Le nkemisetse nako fa e le gore re tsena mo point of order, ke bona e ntse e tsamaya.
MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Ee rra, e mo speech sa ga Honourable Leader of the Opposition, on the first page towards the end fa a fetsa go bua ka Minister of Finance.

O dirisa mafoko a a reng “ke solofela gore mo go farologaneng ga rona, ga o ye go dirisa gore kana ke bona o le mme.” Ke mafoko a gagwe.

MR SPEAKER: Point of order Honourable Saleshando.

LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION (MR SALESHANDO): Point of order.

Ee Mr Speaker, ga ke ka ke ka tsenngwa mafoko a e seng ame kana a ranolwa ka tsela e sele.
Ga go na sepe se ke se buileng se se supang fa ke nyatsa bomme.

Gore ke mo akgole mme ke mo reye ke re o na le bokgoni o le mme, e se ka ya re go le thata wa bo o re le bona ke palelwa ka gore le tsaya gore ke mme, ga se go nyatsa mosadi.

I was very clear in my submission.

Fa e le gore a re go na le sengwe se ke se buileng se e leng go nyatsa mme, I still have a copy of my submission, o ka bala a re mo ke lenyatso mo go bomme.
Se ke se buileng was to congratulate the Minister, ke bo ke bua gore e bile ke motho yo o nang le bokgoni fela jaaka borre, a e se ka ya re go pala a bo a simolola jaanong a akanya gore mma ke tlogele yame ya bokgoni ke re kana jaanong ke gore ke mme fa go buiwa jaana.

That cannot be said go nyatsa bomme, and I would rather a batle lebaka le lengwe fa a batla to paint me ka pente ya go nyatsa bomme, not in this particular instance.

MR SALESHANDO: Go supa lenyatso fa kae mo go bomme?

That is the question.


MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: You want me to answer that Mr Speaker, kana nna ke bua through you?

MR SPEAKER: Yes Honourable Healy.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Nnyaa, go supa lenyatso ka gore kana se a se buang ke gore e tlaa re Mma Serame a palelwa ke go itsetsepela, a bo a re ka gore o bona e le mme, go supa gore ke gore ga a na boitsetsepelo ka bo ene, jaanong gona le gore a ikarabele, a re o gatelelwa ka gore ke mme.

Kana ka rialo Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O feletswe monna Healy.


MR SALESHANDO: Lenyatso le fa kae mo go bomme?

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Mr Speaker, can I go on?

Ke buile gakere gore go fa kae in the speech.

Can I go on?

MR SPEAKER: You understand Honourable Healy?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: I understand Mr Speaker, but as I have already said, I was quoting se a neng a se bua, but I understand sir.

MR SPEAKER: You were quoting se a neng a se bua kae?
MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Gone mo molaetseng wa gagwe, gone fa in the Budget Speech.

MR SPEAKER: Mo Palamenteng?

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Ee rra, in his speech... MR SPEAKER: O tswa kae Minister?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Healy.

MR SPEAKER: Minister o tswa kae?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: How can you clarify when we are still on the point of order?

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Healy, what you have quoted, and as I said, I have the speech, I do not see any lenyatso mo go bomme.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: interpretation sir.


It is your MR SPEAKER: I have a copy of his speech, there is nothing like that... MR SPEAKER: Yes, it is either a warning gore o se ka wa dirisa that as an excuse.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: No, it is there, let me read it to you sir... MR SPEAKER: ...ke ya kae?

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: My interpretation is saying instead of defending yourself, you are going to pull the gender card, so that to me ke go nyenyafatsa bomme.
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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) MR SPEAKER: That is your interpretation, okay.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Yes sir, okay.


MR SALESHANDO: Mr Speaker, ka gore I am the one who objected, at the end of the day it would be very easy to say nna fa ke reeditse Healy, interpretation yame ya se a se buang ke gore he is a narcissist, e bo gotwe nnyaa ke interpretation ya gago, kamoso yo mongwe o tlaabo a supa yo mongwe a re, fa ke go reeditse fela jaana you are a tribalist, e bo e nna label fela gotwe ke interpretation.
I was very clear in my statement when congratulating the Minister, and I still know exactly what I said, go ne go sena sepe se se neng se supa lenyatso mo go bomme.

Re ne re bua ka bokgoni jwa Tona, but fa e le gore o... MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Why did you bring the gender card into it?

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Saleshando... MR SALESHANDO: Ee rra.

MR SPEAKER: I have told Honourable Healy that the speech which was read hear, and I have a copy, ga go na sepe sa lenyatso la bomme mo teng.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: O feletswe motho yoo, finished.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Healy.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Lenyatso le mo go eng ne monna?

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke ne ke santse ke bua gore kana go ne ga nna le ngangisano magareng ga Honourable Kapinga, kana Honourable Kapinga responded to what Honourable Rakgare said about the relationship within the UDC.

So, if you would quickly let me quote the Patriot on Sunday February, 8th 2021 ka pela Mr Speaker.
“In a message posted in his birthday, Boko said all those who have supported and through trials and tribulations before launching a skiving attack against some unnamed individual whom he accused of being ungrateful.

He said.

“I have met scoundrels along the way, ungrateful people who I have supported, and for whom I have done so much, yet to this day, they are unable to express thanks and gratitude, they rather elect to insult, malign, disparage me.
I have witnessed dramatic eruptions of envy, jealousy and betrayal from many I assisted.

Even gratitude from unemployment and employability... HONOURABLE MEMBER: E tsena fa kae in this Budget?

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Ema pele, a ko o iketle.
“The close infuriated some BCP members who interpreted it to be a slight against Saleshando whom Boko supported and helped with the Maun West Constituency under the UDC ticket.” Jaanong Mr Speaker, o a bona gore dikgang tse di buiwang gotwe there is peace, go a reng, go a reng, they are not true because constantly, back and forth... HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: ...(Inaudible)... Ee Mr Speaker, fa ke wela, Honourable TK o ntse a bua gore gatwe dikole di tsere equipment e e turang from Germany, jaanong go a turisiwa go a reng.
Honourable TK ke dumalana le wena, mme motho o ka batla go itse gore golo mo mme o ka go farologanya jang le Land Rovers tse 500 tse di neng tsa rekelwa BDF gotwe di ne di tsewa from scrapyard?

Gore a golo mo ga se go tsweledisa gone go tshamekisa madi a setšhaba?
O ntse o bua thata o re o ne o le teng fa BDF e tlhamiwa, jaanong fa o leba tsone dikgang tse di buiwang tsa go tshamekisa madi tse, motho o ka ipotsa gore kana o na le dikgang tsa gore e tlhametswe lona gore e le dire millionaires, gongwe go na le nnete mo kgannyeng eo... MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Healy, your time is up.

Honourable Mthimkhulu followed by Honourable Motsamai.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go tsena mathata a mangwe gape, o tlhomaganya mathata.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O itumetse VP.


HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Motho a bua nnoto fela jaana.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mthimkhulu.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: There is nothing wrong with the procedure.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, ke ne ke batla go botsa ka line-up sir.

MR SPEAKER: Botsa ba ga lona ka line-up, ga ke dire line-up ya lona.

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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, ke botsa kwa go wena sir, ke ne ke batla go... MR SPEAKER: Ga o ka ke wa mpotsa ka line-up ya lona.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga ke reye ya BDP sir.

MR SPEAKER: He is not here, so we go to the next person.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, kana ke ne ke kopa go botsa gore ka go ne gotwe go tsena two ya opposition... ASSISTANT MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION (MR MTHIMKHULU): Mr Speaker, ke simolole fela ka go akgola Mme Serame ka maemo a gagwe a a filweng a masha, a go nna the Minister of Finance e le mosadi wa ntlha mo Botswana gore a bo e le ene a eteletseng pele Ministry of Finance mo ditsong tsa Botswana.
Ke supe gape gore re akgole le Tautona Masisi gore a bo a bone e le tshwanelo ya gore gompieno a beye mosadi, a etelele pele Ministry wa Finance go dira ditso tsa tšhaba ya Botswana.
Ke selo se se siameng fela thata, e bile gape e re fa o eteletswe pele ke mosadi jaana, jaaka Rre Healy a re re se ka ra nna re tla ka dilo tse di tshesanyane, tse di ka fa thoko go batla go nyenyafatsa gore mosadi yo o kgonang kana yo o supang a na le bokgoni jo bo kanakana, re bo re batla gore re re fa a eteletse, re bo re re o eteletse pele ka gore gongwe ke mosadi.
Re ba akgole fela, re bo re mo rotloetse mo tirong e ntlentle e a e dirang, le budget e a e beileng fa pele ga rona e, e e siameng thata mo go kanakana, e supa gore e ne e eteletswe pele go dirwa ke motho a itse se a se dirang e bile a itse kwa a batlang go isa lefatshe la Botswana teng.

Ke simolole fela ke re Mr Speaker, kana mo budget e go buiwa ka dilo di le mmalwa, mme ke tlaa se ke ke di tshware tsotlhe.
Ke tlaa simolola fela ke bua ka kgang ya corruption e Mme Serame a umakang ka yone mo Budget Speech ya gagwe.
Ke boa ke tswelela gape, kana re a itse gore corruption go na le makalana a Puso a a ntseng a le teng, a a ntseng a mekamekana le yone, go tshwana le bo Directorate on Corruption and Economic Crime (DCEC), mapodise ba thusiwa ke ba Directorate of Intelligence and Security (DIS), gompieno go na le bo Financial Intelligence Agency (FIA), re dirile gape melao e e tshwanang le ya bo Asset Disclosure Act gore melao e yotlhe e re thuse go lwantsha corruption.
Jaaka maloba re ne re bua re le fa pele ga Palamente ya tshoganetso, ka melao e re neng re e fetisa e e neng e tlisiwa ke batho ba Eastern and Southern Africa Anti- Money Laundering Group (ESAAMLG), e re neng re bua le ka go reetsa batho, go ba tlhodumela fa ba bua ka megala le melao e mengwe fela e mentsintsi eo, ke yone melao e e tlileng go re thusa go lwantsha corruption go feta jaaka go ntse go dirwa gompieno.
Mr Speaker, go na le batho ba jaanong fa re bua ka corruption, re e lwantsha jaana ka gore e ne e le teng e le ntsi, kana go e lwantsha go bokete e bile gape ga go motlhofo ka gore e diriwa ke batho ba ba botlhale thata e bile ba na le botsipa jwa go fitlha borukutlhi jo ba bo dirang.

Go na le batho jaanong ba eme ka dinao, ba batla go nyenyafatsa tiro e e dirwang ke ba ba lwantshang corruption, makalana a Puso a a lwantshang corruption.
Ba e nyenyafatsa e bile gape ba batla go dirisa le yone Palamente to defend babelaelwa ba borukutlhi jwa corruption.

Golo mo Mr Speaker, re tshwanetse re eme ka dinao, re le Mapalamente, re go kgale ka gore tshenyetso-setšhaba e dira gore madi a re buang ka one a development, kamoso a bo a seyo, e le gore Batswana ditiro le ditlamelo ga di kgone go fitlha kwa go bone ka gore madi a phatlaletse, a sentswe.
Jaanong mme gore dilo tse re kgone go babalela madi a Batswana, ke gore tiro e e ntle e e dirwang ke ba corruption, a bo e le gore gope fela rotlhe ga re e kgale.

E bile gape re itse gore kana fa e dirwa jaana, ga e a tshwanela go tlhaola ope gore o Kgosi, Minister, Former President, lepodise, ngaka kana eng.

Rotlhe re a lekana before the eyes of the law, they say the law is blind.
Jaanong fa e ntse jalo, re tshwanetse gore e re fa re deal ka dilo tse di ntseng jaana, re bo re itse gore re dira re sa direle ope fela, re direla Batswana ka kakaretso.

Kana le lone lekalana la DIS, le ntse le tlhasetswe le dira tiro, mme kana le tshwanetse go letlelelwa gore le dire tiro, le kgone go bona gore dilo tse di tswela kwa ntle, di bo di salwa morago.
Ke boa ke tsena gape mo go e e latelang issue, e neng Mme Serame a bua ka yone ya CCP, gore ba tsere tshwetso e le Ministry of Finance gore jaanong projects tse di simololwe go dirwa ke companies which are in the immediate vicinity ya fa di tlaabong ditiro di dirwa teng.

Re lebogile fela thata Mme Serame, re tswa kgakala rona kwa Gaborone South, re bua ka tsone dilo tse di ntseng jaana.
O tlaa lemoga gore mo dikgaolong tsa rona ka go farologana, e seng Gaborone South fela, go na le unemployment e ntsi fela thata, e bile gape go na le banana ba ba nang le kitso ya ditiro tsa diatla tse 40 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) di farologanyeng, tse ba ka dirang dilo tse dingwe tse di dirwang ke companies tse di tswang kwa ntle ga dikgaolo tsa rona.
Ke ka go fa sekai fela mo Gaborone South, re ntse re dira ditsela tse di dirwang ka paving, mme bontsi jwa tsone, di ne di sa dirwe ke companies tsa bana ba ba mo Gaborone South, beng ba tsone companies tseo ba nna kwa ntle ga Gaborone South.

Ke dumela gore le batho ba ba neng ba hiriwa mo teng, bontsi jwa bone, le fa ba ne ba hira bana ba Gaborone South, mme kana ba ne ba hira le batho ba ba tswang kwa ntle ga kgaolo yone e. Re a di lebogela thata dilo tse di ntseng jaana, Mme Serame.
Kamoso di tlaa re thusa ka gore madi ke fa o supa fa re tlaa a fiwa a re tlholang re ntse re a fiwa a community projects gore di tlaa re thusa thata gore re tswelele re tokafatse matshelo a batho ba dikgaolo tsa rona even though gape re tlaabo re ntse re ba tlisitsa ditlhabololo.
Ke riana gape Mme Serame ke re kana mo kgaolong ya rona e bile re ne re ntse re gaketse re re tota re batla e re madi a fa a tla, a constituency projects, e re fa a ntshiwa, a simolola a dirisiwa, re bo re engage companies tsa mo kgaolong ya rona ya Gaborone South.
Jaanong golo mo tota go tlile at the right time for us gore re tle re kgone go bona gore bana ba Gaborone South le bone ba tlaa kgona gore e re dilo tse di dirwang mo kgaolong ya bone, ba kgone to enjoy kana ba obe letsogo, ba ba tlaabong ba na le bokgoni jwa go di dira.

Ke tswelele ke bue ka budget e e o e fileng ba Ministry of Health, ya madi a mantsintsi gore it received the biggest part of the budget.
Ke bue fela gore kana re tswa mo COVID, ba Ministry of Health ba dirile tiro e ntle fela thata and re tshwanetse go e ba akgolela.

Kana re tshwanetse go itse gore ba e dirile jaana, ba eteletswe pele ke Goromente wa rona kana Tautona Masisi, a ba eteletse pele e bile a sa oshaoshe, a batla go lwantsha COVID.
Re itse gape gore e rile fa e simologa kgang ya COVID, go ne go na le bangwe mo Palamenteng e gape, baitimokanyi, ba ne ba tla ba re COVID ga e yo, ba bangwe ba re ga e bolaye kana ba re nnyaa, melao e le e dirang eo, le e dirile fela gore le tle le je madi a Puso.

Gompieno ke fa re kgonne kana Goromente o kgonne go laola COVID.

Jaanong mme batho ba gape ga ba tswe, ba tla gone fa Palamenteng e, this national platform e ba e filweng ke Batswana gore ba e dirise in the best interest ya Batswana botlhe.
Ga ba tle ba bua fa pele ga Palamente gore Goromente wa ga Domkrag, Masisi kana wa Batswana, gompieno o lole ntwa e e boitshepo e bile jaanong ke fa Batswana ba kgona go nna jaanong le fa COVID e ntse e le teng, ba kgona go nna ba na le tshepo ya gore matshelo a bone a babalesegile, ga ba bue jalo.

Gape ga ba bue gore melemo e ba neng ba bua gore ga e rekwe, e bile madi a dirisiwa go senya, ga ba bue gore melemo e gorogile.
Ga ba bue gore mo Africa kana mo borwa jwa Africa, re lefatshe le le nang le melemo e e fetileng, e bile re kentile batho ba bantsi fela thata.

Ga ke lebelela statistics tsa batho ba health tse ba di ntshitseng mo graph e ba tlholang ba e ntsha, go supega gore e kare re feta 90 per cent ya the 1.53 million yo ba neng ba mo ipeetse gore re bo re e kentile ka nako e e rileng.

Re tshwere palo e e ntseng jalo, e bile jaanong re fetile, ba kenta jaanong le bana botlhe fela go simolola ka 12 years upwards.
Le gore gape the booster dose, the rate of uptake e kwa godimo fela thata.

Ke dilo tse bakaulengwe ba rona, ba ba reng ba buelela Batswana, ba ba reng Batswana ba ba tshepha ka matshelo a bone, ba sa di bueng… HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… MR SPEAKER: Rre Modukanele, we are in Parliament MR MTHIMKHULU: Ba didimetse ka gore jaanong ba bona re dira bontle, mme se ke batlang go se lemosa Batswana ke gore, fela fa dilo di tsamaya sentle, di siame, di berekela Batswana, ba opposition ba a didimala.
O tlaa ba utlwa fela ka deafening silence.

That is what will tell you gore sengwe le sengwe se siame.

E bile fa sengwe le sengwe se siame, ga ba ka ke ba bua gore dilo tse di siame tse di dirwang ke Goromente wa ga Domkrag.

Batswana ba tshwanetse ba lemoge e bile ba ele tlhoko gore, go supa fa ba opposition, bakaulengwe ba rona mo Palamenteng, ba sa batle sepe se se siametseng Batswana se dirwa, kana ba sa batle Batswana ba lemoga sepe se se siameng se a dirwa.
Ke tlhola ke bona kwa mafatsheng a mangwe a a kwa ntle ga Africa le mo Africa, fa dilo di dirwa di siame, batho ba ba itseng gore Goromente ke wa batho botlhe ba ba mo lefatsheng, ba a emelela ba supa gore nnyaa fa go dirwa sentle, ba bo ba boa ba rotloetsa batho ba lefatshe la teng gore, ba tsene botlhe mo tseleng ya teng ba kgone go ema nokeng Gormente kana se se dirwang, gore se kgone to benefit batho botlhe mo lefatsheng.

Ke sone se ke neng ke batla go se supa, ke se kaetse Batswana.
Ke bue gape Mma Serame, ka kgang e o neng o bua ka yone ya... HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): Elucidation.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke se ka ka go jela nako Honourable Assistant Minister.

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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) O ntse o e tshwere sentle ka botlalo, o bua tota se o se itseng, o se tlhaloganyang ka bagarona.
O buile kwa ntlheng ya botsogo jaaka o ne o bua, a mme kwa ntlheng ya itsholelo, ka gore COVID-19, e ne e sa ame botsogo fela, mongwe le mongwe o ne a tlhaloganya le ene gore ntlheng ya itsholelo re ne re solofetse tse di maswe le go feta.

A mme o kile wa utlwa ba galaletsa bo industrial support facility, gona le go ngongorega.
Dithuso tse di neng di neelwa batho go leka gore ba fokoletswe manokonoko, go thuswa batho gore ba fokoletse manokonoko a COVID-19, a o kile wa utlwa lentswe la kganetso le galaletsa?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga re a tla go galaletsa mo Palamenteng.
MR MTHIMKHULU: Ke dumalana le wena Your Honour the Vice President gore, e rile nako ya teng fa Batswana ba thuswa, ga gona ope wa bone yo o kileng a ntsha ...(Inaudible)… la bone, se ba neng ba se bua fela go akgola Goromente, se ba neng ba se bua e ne e le go kgala e bile ba bua gore madi a utsuwa ke companies dingwe which are associated le bangwe ba ba mo go Goromente.
Madi a a neng a tswa ao, le Batswana ba ka supa ba ba santseng ba theogetse kwa dikomponeng kana kwa ditirong tsa bone gore a ba thusitse gore dikompone tse di ba hirileng di bo di sa phutlhama, ba santse ba le mo ditirong jaaka re bua jaana.

Botlhe fela fa ba ne ba sa bue, e bile ga ba ka ke ba tswelela ba bua ka gone.

Se ba ka se dirang ke gore ba tsamaye ba ye go bona diphoso.
Phoso e e sa dirwang ke mogopolo o montle o o beilweng pele ke baeteledipele kana Goromente wa Botswana yo o eteletsweng pele ke Rre Masisi, o o dirilweng ke batho ba ba berekang mo go Goromente.

Bangwe ba bone ba ba tlhophang opposition ba tlhopha le Domkrag.

Ga ba ka ke ba ba farologanya ka gope, mme fa ba emelela ba bona phoso mo Pusong ya ga Domkrag, go nyenyafatsa tiro e ntle e e dirwang.

OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MODUKANELE): Clarification.
Thank you Mr Speaker.

Minister o e tshwere sentle ka manontlhotlho.

Golo mo go go raya goreng, ga go supe e le go tlhoka boikarabelo gore bangwe ba rona mo Palamenteng mo, ba le maranyane a supang gore ba ne ba re COVID-19 ga e yo, ya re kwa morago ga ba a ja semenogane, ba tlhoka gore ba tseye boikarabelo jwa go boela kwa Batswaneng ba ba raya ba re re ne re dirile phoso.

Kgang ya go nna jalo Minister, o e leba e ntse jang.

MR MTHIMKHULU: Honourable Modukanele, ke dumalana le wena.
42 HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, ga o kgone go mo okeletsa nako a tswelele?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mo fe nako ya me.

MR MTHIMKHULU: Ba tshwanetse gore ba ye go ikopa maitshwarelo kwa Batswaneng.

Ba ne ba nyaditse gore golo gongwe, ba ne ba tsere gore Goromente o tlaa palelwa ke go thusa Batswana, jaanong ba ne ba batla go tlhakatlhakanya.

Ba ne ba sa elele matshelo a Batswana ka sepe, e bile ba sa kgathale gore Batswana matshelo a bone a ka tsena mo diphatseng ka tsela epe fela.
Ba tshwanetse gore ba boe ba ye go ikoba, go supa gore they are true leaders.

Kana a leader o itshupa jalo, gore ga a dirile phoso he stands out and acknowledges gore I made a mistake and apologise to that.

Not to the BDP, but to the entire nation, mo go tsenyang le ba bone members, batsadi ba bone le masika a bone kwa malwapeng gore ba ikopa maitshwarelo mo go bone gore re le diretse phoso.

Ke tswelele Mr Speaker, ke tsene mo go ya education.
Gore re a bona gore education e filwe madi a mantsinyana go latela a health.

Ke golo mo go ntle fela thata, Basic Education.

Rona mo Gaborone South re go itumeletse fela thata, ka gore re dumela gore go tlaa thusa bana ba kgaolo ya rona ka gape go na le that part of the budget e e buang gore jaanong e ya go thusa ka tsa maranyane mo dikoleng le go bona gore bana ba na le tsa maranyane tse ba ka di berekisang go ithuta motlhofo.

Ke golo mo go siameng fela thata Mr Speaker.


Kwa kgaolong ya rona ke kwa bana ba rona ba tsholwang ba gola e bo ba fetsa sekole, ba ya go bona tsa maranyane ba setse ba le batona, ba sa kgone go di dirisa letsatsi le letsatsi, ba sa kgone go di ithuta kwa bonnyennyaneng.

Rona mo Gaborone South, re batho ba e leng gore dilo tse fa batho ba bangwe ba kgona go nna le tsone, rona ga re kgone go nna le tsone.
Ba tlaa kgona go di bona kwa dikoleng, e bo ba kgona gore ba di dirisa, ba di tlwaele, e bile ba nne le botsipa go feta jo re nang le jone gompieno rona bo Mthimkhulu, ka gore they would have been afforded this opportunity at a very young age gore ba kgone go tshwara ka pela.

Re a leboga fela thata, e bile ke dumela gore go tlaa thusa.

E tlaa re fa di ntse di ya pele dilo tse, go tlaa thusa le gore barutabana ba kgone gore ba lebagane le bana ba ba sa kgoneng sentle ka bongwe ka bongwe.
Le gore jaaka classes di le dintsi jaana re itse gore go thata gore di fokotsege, because of the environment fa di leng teng, re le bantsi in a small space, dikole ga di dintsi e bile go Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) thata gore di gole motlhofo, gore di tlaa thusa to fill that gap bana ba kgone go nna le nako e ntsi le barutabana kana ba thusiwe botoka, ba rutiwe botoka ke barutabana a bone.
Gape Mr Speaker, go na le barutabana bangwe ba gotweng ba ya go hirwa ba le 3500.

Rona mo Gaborone South re a kopa gore e re fa ba hirwa jaana, classes tsa rona ka fa Gaborone South di lebelelwe gore di tle di fokotsege, the number ya bone in a class e fokotsege, ka gore ba bantsi fela thata.

O tlaa lemoga gore batho ba ba tswang kwa ntle ga Gaborone South, because we are in the city centre, ba tlisa bana ba bone ka fa ba bo ba tsena sekole kafa, maitseboa ba bo ba boela kwa ba nnang teng.
Jaanong bana ba ba golelang mo Gaborone South, dikole tse di dirilwe go lebilwe palo ya batho ba nnang foo le bana ba ba foo, jaanong they are being crowded.

Go raya gore bana ba nna bantsi in classes.

Ga ba kgone go ithuta sentle because of the large size of classes tse di ka bo di lekanetse.

Mr Speaker, posts when they are filled kamoso, re itse gore re ya to benefit mo Gaborone South.

Go se ka gatwe re mo toropong, re bo re lebalwa di isiwa go sele.
Re tlogelwa mme re na le mathata a a tshwanang le ba ba kwa ntle ga toropo kana ba ba kwa mafelong a mangwe.

Mr Speaker, development approach to delivery tsa projects tsa ga Goromente le go dirisa turnkey project; ke tshepisa gore this new approach I believe is better than e e ntseng e dirisiwa ke Goromente wa Botswana mo go direng ditlhabololo ka kakaretso.

O tlaa lemoga gore when you use this vehicle go dira projects, o kgona go lekanyetsa go senyega ga madi thata, that will benefit Goromente.
O kgona go tsena mo project o bo o re, ke na le P100 million, P10 million kana P1 billion, mme ke batla go dira tsela e e tswang kwa Lobatse e ya Gaborone.

Madi a me ke a, ke a baya fa fatshe.

Wena o o batlang go dira tsela, o dire, o itshupe gore o ka e dira jang, of course you will select the best as the procurement entity.

Re tlaa batla yo o ka dirang tsela ka madi a a kana.
Motho yoo fa a dira tsela eo, whether saves, o dira profit kana ga a e dire, ke ga gagwe, re batla project e e dirwang mo selekanyong sa madi a a kana.

Motho fa a tla, a bo a itse gore fa a fitlhela makgwere, project e sa dire madi ka gore ga a dira tiro ka matsetseleko, a itse gore he or she will be suffering a loss.

Profit ya gagwe is included in the charge.

Fa go ntse jalo Mr Speaker, projects tsa ga Goromente di tlaa simolola go dirwa di sa senye madi thata, jaaka gompieno di a senya.
O kgona go fitlhela project e dirwa ka P500 million, e re kamoso fa o tsena o utlwa gotwe it has overshot ke P800 billion kana P1 billion.

Go bo gotwe go na le tshenyetso- setšhaba kana go senya Goromente wa ga Domkrag.

Ministers tsa ga Goromente wa ga Domkrag di sa itse sepe di le kgakala le golo moo.

Golo moo go dirwa ke badirelapuso.

Go dirwa ke batho ba ba hirilweng (technocrats) to implement these programmes, ideas kana mananeo a ga Goromente.
Go se na mathata ape, re dirile dilo ka kwano ka tshepo ya gore di tlaa tsamaya sentle, di bo di ya go senyega kwa implementation.

Ke dumela gore this is one of the answers tse di tlaa thusang Goromente go fitlhelela its pledges to the people gore in this period of time, re ya go dira eng.

The more we save money a a dirisiwang go dira projects, the better for Batswana because we will be able to deliver more with the limited resources tse re nang le tsone mo Botswana.
Motlotlegi Serame, ke tsena gape fa o neng o bua ka sport at paragraph 6, gore o beile aside P24 million ba sport ba tle ba thusiwe in the development of sporting talent.

This is also a welcome development Motlotlegi Serame.

Madi a ye go dira a deliberate effort gore bana ba Batswana ba ba nang le bokgoni, ba fitlhelele golo gongwe mo maitekong a bone.

Ba tletse kwa kgaolong ya rona ya Gaborone South Motlotlegi Serame, ba ba mo sport.

Re na le banana ba mabelo, football and boxing.


Re bone mongwe wa rona last year a lwela lebante.

He was a title holder.

O ne a le lwela kwa Gaborone International Convention Centre (GICC) kwa a neng a latlhegelwa teng.

E le monana wa ntlha kwa Old Naledi go nna mantswitswidi wa mabole, e bile e le a holder of a continental boxing belt.

Le bo le mo latlhegela kwa GICC last year.

Re batla ba le bantsi ba lemoge gore e rile fa a lwa jalo, le fa a ne a latlhegelwa, o ne a neelwa P50 000.
Yo o neng a fenya e ne e le ngwana wa Motswana.

These are developments tse di diragalang mo the sporting space sa Botswana.

Re a bona gore jaaka ba dira jaana, ke dilo tse di kgonang go ba direla bokamoso.

Di ba direle letseno.

Ga se go ne mo fela, re bona ba mabelo ba relay ya 4x4 fa ba tswa kwa China, Honourable Rakgare a ba fa matlo.

These are the good things that are being done by this Government.

A ba fa matlo gore ba lemoge gore le bone ba diretse lefatshe.
Ba dirile sengwe, e bile gape as an encouragement to ba ba tswang kwa morago ga bone.

Le bone kamoso ba tsoge ba fitlhelela kwa bale ba fetileng teng.

Dilo tse tsotlhe tse ke maiteko a ga Goromente yo o eteletsweng pele ke President Rre Masisi.

E bile o ka bona gore ke Goromente who has the best interest ya Batswana at heart.

O batla Batswana ba ya kwa pele fela thata.

Ga a batle go nna gotwe ke Batswana fela, go sena sepe se ba nang le sone.
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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Mr Speaker, o bua gape ka budget e e neetsweng ba agriculture.

Ke batla go akgola ba agriculture ka se e leng gore last year ba se dirile when they banned importation of horticultural produce.

Ba dirile sentle fela thata.

Fa o ka lemoga, golo moo ka bogone, Batswana ba le bantsi ba bone ditiro.
Fa o tsamaya mo masimong mo, o ne o fitlhela a farmer a le one a sa hira batho, gompieno o hirile ba le 20, 30 and 40.

Ba a lema, ba a harvest, ba duelwa madi fela a a nametsang which is creating employment in the rural areas.

Go tsenya madi mo dipateng tsa Batswana, e bile gape go fokotsa the import bill e e dirang gore re nne re na le madi a a fetileng, a a dirisitsweng mo lefatsheng.
Fa re ntse re fokotsa the importation of goods and services, le import bill fa e ya kwa tlase, go thusa lefatshe go tlhama more employment.

Ke golo mo go siameng fela thata.

O tlaa bona gompieno ba opposition gone ka kwa ba didimetse.

Mr Speaker, ga ba bue ka gone, ga ba bue ka maiteko a ga Tautona Masisi.

Ga ba batle go bua gore Goromente go emisa importation of vegetables o dirile sentle.
Ba emetse gore go nne le mathata jaaka batho ba bangwe ba etla ba ngongorega mo dikhoneng ba re ga go na ditapole, ga go na eng.

Ba emetse gore go nne le mathata, ke gone ba bo ba tlhabeletsa chorus ba re Goromente yo ga a siama.

Maiteko a teng gore Botswana a siamelwe.

Ga go na sepe se se tlaa tlang kwa Batswaneng se le motlhofo kana madi a a tlaa tsenang mo dipateng tsa Batswana go le motlhofo.
Re tshwanetse re sokole, re ngakalale, e bile gape re berekele gore re ntshe Botswana from a middle income country to an upper income country.

Gore re dire jalo, ke gore go ngakalalwe fela thata.

Dilo tse di ntseng jaana, small steps put together; re kgona COVID, re thusa ba sport, dikole, re lwantsha corruption jaaka gompieno jaana, we banned importation of horticultural projects.

These put together at the end of the day, ke tsone tse e leng gore they will lead Botswana to the next level of development.
Ke tsone tse di tlaa re tsayang di re kuka di re isa kwa godimo, e bo kamoso re bua re re Botswana o tlhabologile.

Batswana are taking part in the economy of the nation.

Ke one maiteko a re a dirang.

Ke gone jaaka re bua ka delivery of the promises that BDP made during the 2019 campaign.

We are delivering on the Manifesto wa Domkrag ka contract e re e dirileng le Batswana fa ba re tlhopha ka 2019.

Ke sone se re buang gore Rre Masisi is delivering fa a dira Constitutional Review e bo e kgalwa.
This is about delivery.

Ba ne ba kgala ba re ga e dirwe, e a dirwa ba a kgala, ga ba batle sepe se se siameng.

This is the delivery of promises that were made to Batswana.

We have a contract with Batswana, we are delivering on it.

We will work very hard to deliver on the promises and pledges that were made by this Government to Batswana.

Ya bofelo ke bue gore go na le ba bangwe ba ba sietseng kwa ntle ga Botswana ba re ba a tshwenngwa.
Ba ne ba kobile journalists ba le mo Pusong ba batla go ba tsenya ka toronko, ba ba phuruphutsha.

Le a itse gore batho ba siile ba re ba a bolawa mo Botswana, journalists.

Ga gona journalist e e kileng ya sia gompieno mo Botswana a re o a bolawa.

All journalists are free to talk about everybody.

They are free to criticise the Government, President, Ministers…(Interruptions)… ke mang yo o neng a batla gore ba bolawe?

A boe fela koo a tle mo Botswana.


Fa e le gore go na le molato mongwe o a o dirileng o a o itseng le o a sa o itseng, a tle fa a tle a face molao.

O tlaa ya kwa court jaaka mongwe le mongwe, o tlaa fiwa chance ya go iphemela…(Interruptions)… jaaka ba bangwe ba a ipoka ba re they have won cases kwa court, “hei!

Goromente o a latlhegelwa, hei!

Goromente o roba molao, o gatelela batho…” O tlaa tla gape le wena le ditsala tsa gago le win kwa court fa e le gore le tlaa win.
Fa le sena go win le tlaa bua se ba ntseng ba se bua gompieno ba re Goromente o a gatelela, e seng Goromente a go gatelela fela o siile o ise o tshwarwe ke ope.

E bile ba ne ba go kopa gore, “heela rra, ntsha ditlhobolo kwa o di beileng teng!” Nako ya teng fa go kwala lekwalo o kopiwa go ntsha ditlhobolo, ke lone le bo le go koba mo Botswana.

Fa o sena go sia o bo o re o a tshwenngwa.

Ke re ba opposition le bone gape ka gore dilo tse ba ne ba di kgala pele, a ba tswelele ba di kgale.
Ba se ka ba batla go dirisa Palamente go sireletsa disinyi le batho ba ba tshabang go nna mo lefatsheng la bone.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR MOTSAMAI (GHANZI SOUTH): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ke tseye nako e ke akgele mo pegong e re e beilweng pele.

Mr Speaker, pele ke supe gore le nna ke itumelela gore gongwe re bo re ka rotloetsa Mme Serame gore a tle a tswe ka maduo.

Re mo rotloetsa e le Motswana re sa mo rotloeletse gore ke motho wa mme.
Re bo re kgala ba ba ntseng ba beile bomme ka fa mahure, mme gompieno e le bone ba ba itumelelang gore ba ba ntshitse ka fa mahure e bile ba ikgatlha ka golo mo o kare ke phathi e ntšha kana Goromente o mošha, re na le lebaka le le kanakana ba na le bomme ba ba nang le bokgoni.

Ke re thulaganyo e ya dipuo tsa bone tsa go bua ka fa ba buang ka teng, e tlhabisa ditlhong.

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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Ke batla go supa gape ke bo ke tsibogele kgang ya gore ba BDP ba na le kgang e ba e buang e ba e dirileng sefela ya gore mo maitlamong a bone a 2019 ba ne ba kwadile se, ba kwadile se.

Mr Speaker, rona re bua ka dibuka tse dintsintsi tse di tladitseng thuto le tlhatlhelelo ya batho ka dikgang tsa sepolotiki, re tsentse le one maitlamo go tswa fela kwa diphathi tsa kganetso re neng re simologa teng.
Re bua ka one mathata a gompieno a ba BDP ba nnang ba tumisa gore, “nnyaa, gompieno re a itumela re na le metsi mo dikgaolong.” Ga re bolo go bua ka metsi, ga re bolo go feta foo Mr Speaker, ka dikgang tsa bo metsi, ditsela; dikgang dingwe le dingwe tse ba di buang tse ba ikgatlhang ka tsone mo maitlamong a maabane.
Ga ba tlhabiwe ke ditlhong gore kana e rile re sena go dira maitlamo re le ba UDC, ba BDP ba ne ba ntsha maitlamo a bone mo go tsone ditlhopho tse ka 2018, ba cancel ba re golo mo ga se maitlamo, a re ye go kwala sešha.

Ba ne ba tsamaya ba ya go kwala sešha ba re kopela.

Gompieno ke bone ba ba opelang go re feta Mr Speaker.

Ke gore ka mantswe a mangwe fa re ne le re bo Brenda le bo Lucky Dube, re ka bo re ka charge ka copyright.

Mr Speaker, mma ke fete ke tsene mo kgannyeng ga Ghanzi South.
Ba Ghanzi South Mr Speaker, ba ngongorega ka lekgetho le gotweng le ka dikgomo; 4 per cent levy wa livestock.

Farmers are charged go kgaolwa madi a a boitshegang mo go bone.

Lekgetho le Mr Speaker, fa e ne e le gore fa le kgaolwa go bo go dirwa gore Farmers Associations ba bone sengwe ba baakanye masaka, ba dire ditirelo, ba dire diofisi tsa Farmers Association, go kgona go tsholetsa mohama wa dikgomo.

Ke sone se ba kgaolo ya me ba se lelelang, ba batla gore se baakanngwe Mr Speaker.
E bile ba gakgamaletse gore fa Goromente a bitsa bagwebi ka kwa ntle o ba bolelela gore kana mo lefatsheng la Botswana lekgetho le kwa tlase, ga le na go kgetha, go bo go raya gore Batswana jaanong mo gae bone ba bolawa ka lekgetho.
Ba Ghanzi South ba supa gore go ne go na le speech sa ga Matambo se a neng a bua gore o batla go dira ditekeletso mo dikgaolong tsa bo Kgatleng, Central le Ghanzi, go bona gore mohama o wa itsholelo wa temothuo o ka dirwa industries tse di tlaabong di dira ka bo ditswakgomong jalojalo.

Maikaelelo e ne e le go bona gore matlalo le dinaka, ditekeletso tse di ame mohama oo Mr Speaker.
Go fitlhela le gompieno ka speech sone seo sa 2015 sa ga Rre Matambo mo paragraph number 58, ga gona sepe se se dirilweng Mr Speaker.

Re santse re ntse fela.

Ba Ghanzi South ba kopa gore kana kgaolo e ya Ghanzi e ka bo o e diretswe SPEDU fela jaaka dikgaolo tsa bo Phikwe ka gore ke kgaolo e e nonneng mo beef industry.

Go dirwe melawana le ditshetla tse di tlhamaletseng tsa gore go bonwe gore go rutuntshiwe.

Go tle madirelo a a amanang le ditswakgomong le nama, go simologe kwa Ghanzi Mr Speaker.
Re bo re hire le ba mafelo a re bapileng le nao gore ba ye go bereka kwa Ghanzi ka mohama wa kgomo.

Mma ke fete ka bonako Mr Speaker ke ntse ke le mo dikgannyeng tsa Ghanzi South.

Kana Minister, wa re re reye farmers re reng ka kgang e ya meat regulator?

Ke kgang e e yang go fela leng?

Ba re botsa gore ke tsamaiso e e yang go wela leng ba kgone go nna le tshosologo?

Dikgomo tsa Batswana di tsewa sesolo, prices tsa dikgomo di a farologana, bogolo jang di Tuli.
Le fa di lekana ka dingwaga, di farologana ka weight, go lopiwa prices tse di farologaneng.

Tuli e e senang meno e ka tsaya P25, e nngwe yone e a goroga e sena meno ka gore ke e e fa godimonyana, e ja madi a kwa tlase ga a ya weight e e fa godimo.

Ya weight e e kwa tlase e ja madi a a kwa godimo.

O ka bona gore golo mo ke tsietsa Motswana, mme e bile go kgoba Batswana marapo, mogopolo ke gore rekang dipoo go tlhabolola dikgomo Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, fa ke tswelela pele ke bue gore, ke batla go tsibogelwe seemo sa babereki ba ba berekang mo agriculture; Bakenti, Boralephalo, ba botlhe go bonwe gore go tsibogelwa seemo se.

Ba bangwe ba tserwe ka nako ya COVID ba ya go bewa kwa molelwaneng wa Mamuno.

O ke tlaa batlang gore go bonwe gore golo fale fa Mamuno go tlhabisa ditlhong, ditsela di dikhuti, megopo, dikgatlampi, ga go tsamaege.

Bagorogi fa ba goroga ba bona gore lefatshe le la Botswana tota ga se le lefatshe le le siameng.
Ke re babereki ba duelwe overtimes, e se ka ya nna e re ba berekile go bo go tsaya dikgwedikgwedi bo six, eight months go bona overtimes.

Go se ka ke ga tsena tsheko fa ba bereka, mme claims fa di tsena go a sekiwa.

Ke kopa gore re ye go duela allowances tsa bone.


Mr Speaker, puo ya gore re tshwanetse gore parastatals di neelwe tshono ya gore di tseye lefatshe, di tswelele ka dikompone gore ba neelwe tshono ya gore e nne bone ba ba tlaabong ba di goga kwa pele gore go nne le maduo a a siameng, e bile a a nametsang.
Ke re fa ke baya sekai fela ka Water Utilities, dikgang tse di padile, dikgang di padile kwa Water Utilities, o fitlhela e le gore batho ba bo Metsimantsho, Xade ga ba nwe metsi sentle, jaaka ba ne ba ntse ba a nwa mo go Water Affairs.

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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) kgaoganya lefatshe.
Mme gompieno ke mo Palamente ke a se ntsha Mr Speaker.

Mma ke kgaoganye lefatshe go nne se se nnang, fa e le gore ke tlaabo ke kgaoganya lefatshe.

Fa Water Utilities e ka tswelela batho ba kgaolo ya me ba sokola ka go bona kana ka go sielwa metsi, ke tlaa ya court Mr Speaker gore ba letlelelwe ba epe didiba mo dijarateng tsa bone ba siele masika a bone.

Mongwe le mongwe a ikepele sediba, e nne mesima mo dijarateng mo kgaolong yotlhe ya Ghanzi South.

Ka gore fa go pala ga go na gore re ka dira jang.


Mr Speaker, go builwe ka tshenyo, gore re tshwanetse go lwantsha tshenyetso, ga buega le gore tshenyetso- setšhaba e re tshwanetse go e emela ka dinao rotlhe.

Kana Water Utilities e ke ntseng ke bua ka yone o ka bona madi a a senyegileng mo teng, a maloba pego e tswa go supa gore around P212 million one a senyega jaana e le gore ba DIS ba ne ba itshuntse nko mo dikgang tsa gore batho ba ba dire tiro ya bone ka tshosologo.
Tshenyetso-setšhaba ya bo P12 billion ya kwa Morupule B ke kgang that causes concern.

Millions tsa digalase kwa bo Palapye, bo Milk Afric, ke tshenyetso-setšhaba e re buang ka yone.

Fa e tswa foo re bona batho ba tlhaga e le Matona, bo Mthimkhulu ba re bolelela gore ga re dueleletse Goromente gore o dira sentle.

Ga a re a tla go tla go duduetsa.

Ga re a hirelwa go duduetsa.

Re hiretswe go tla go buelela ditshwanelo tsa setho le batho, le go baakanya le go supa tshenyo.

Ga re baduduetsi.
Ga re baduduetsi.

Fa le batla baduduetsi tsamayang le ye kwa manyalong.

Mr Speaker, ke a feta, ke supe gore kwa Ghanzi South ba ntse ba lela le ka dikgang tsa motlakase.

Kgang ya motlakase, phefo fa e foka motlakase o ile kwa Ghanzi South.

Pula fa e gadima motlakase o ile kwa Ghanzi South.

Dikgang tse tsa motlakase o re o tsayang kwa Namibia a di emelwe ka dinao.
Rre Lefoko Moagi, ke a tle ke bone o tsipatsipa mongwame, ke sa reye gore o tsogile, ke reela gore a ko o tsipatsipe, o bone gore Ghanzi South e laete le mo settlements, batho ba tsenyediwe metlakase, ba tlhabologe, ba dire ditiro.

Mma ke tsene mo health.

Ke tswelele Mr Speaker, ke fete ka bonako ke bue ka dikgang tsa health.
Ke re health posts tse tsotlhe tsa Ghanzi South; bua ka health post ya kwa New Xanagas, Hanahai, West Hanahai, Kacgae, jalojalo, le bo Tshobokwane, a di ntshiwe mo maemong ao e nne fully fledged clinics tsa maemo a segompieno.

Clinics tsa bo Ncojane, Kalfontein, bo Charles Hill.

Bogolo jang thata kwa Charles Hill, re batla sepatela se se tletseng, se e leng gore it is a primary hospital fa kwa Ghanzi go tlaabo go diriwa district hospital e e ka thusang batho ba Ghanzi.
Go se ka ga lebaganwa le dikgang tseo fela, go bonwe gore kana go kile ga bolelelwa batho ba Ghanzi fa go agiwa sepatela sa Ghanzi gore go ya go nna le boitsaanape kana boranyane jwa telemedicine.

Jaanong boranyanane jone jo bo a pala ka gore batho ba a tlhokafala bontsi.

E ne e le gore dingaka ba ka kgona go tlhatlhoba balwetse ba le kwa bo Marina, Nyangabgwe, ba ba tlhatlhoba ka boranyane jwa telemedicine, ba bo ba bua gore ba ka thusiwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Jaanong dilo tse ke tse ke di emetseng, e bile ke bua ka tsone.

Mr Speaker, ke batla to register my concern mo observation ya me ya Palamente.

Palamente e fetogile talk shop.

Re bua fela, ke lephata lefe kapa lefe, go fitlhelela re bo re ya go phatlalala.

Mapalamente fa ba sena go bua ga go na sepe se se diragalang kwa kgaolong.

La re re ye go bua kae Mr Speaker?

Go bo go ya go dirwa kae?

Re tletse eng fa?

Re duelelwa eng?


A ko e nne e re Mapalamente ba bua dilo go ye go bonwa bothata joo kwa dikgaolong, bo dirwe kwa dikgaolong tsa bo Mthimkhulu ba lese gore ba na le stress tsa teng ba bo ba baya gore ke ba kganetso ba e leng gore ga ba bue ka dilo tseo.

Social programmes; re a go akgola Mma Serame.


Ke tumelo ya lona ya seDomkrag gore “lemme ga le bolaye go bolaya lefifi.” Le tlaa tswelela le ntse le sotla batho le ba latlhelela ma P100.00, le fa go kgonagala gore batho ba ka latlhelelwa madi a a bonalang.

Le re botsa dipotso fa re re okeletsang bagodi madi e nne P1, 500.00 ka kgwedi, la re re ya go bona kae madi?

Ga ke itse gore madi a a sennngwang le a bona kae?

Tsamayang le ye go tsaya madi a le a senyang.


Ke ntse ke bua ka projects tse di weleng, di digwa ke go sa tlhoka to be monitored.

Le madi a le neng le re a apetswe kwa South Africa, tsamayang le ye go tsaya madi kwa le reng a teng le okeletse bagodi.
Gompieno jaana a le batla go nthaya le re Rre Balopi ka ke nkgonne, ke ene motho yo ke mo itseng, fa e le gore e ne e le modirelapuso wa maemo a a kwa godimo, let us say Permanent Secretary to the President (PSP), la re a duelwe madi a gagwe a pension kgwedi le kgwedi, a bo bo a neelwe P500.00 fa godimo?

Re le ba UDC ra re, nnyaa go na le se a setseng a se bona, mo tlogele ka P500.00, okeletsa bagodi ka madi ao a bo PSP, Director, Former President le Former Vice President.
Ke dingwe tse re di buang re le ba UDC, re le ba lekgotla la kganetso.

Ga se gore re kgala fela, re tswa le ka megopolo.

Se neele batho madi fela le sa lebelela gore a le dira sentle kana ga le dire sentle.

Go pala eng fela gore bagodi ba 46 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) okelediwe madi, go lebilwe gore matshelo a gompieno ke lona ba maabane le oketsa motlakase, lekgetho, dipetorole, le oketsa sengwe le sengwe.

Gompieno le palelwa ke go itse gore, gore motho a tshele sentle ke fa a ka duelwa bokae e le mogodi, gore motho a tshele sentle ke fa a ka duela bokae a bereka mo filling station, mo shopong ya Choppies le Spar...(Inaudible)…la re madi a ya go tswa kae.

Le a gakgamatsa, mme e bile le gakgamatsa mo go tlhabisang ditlhong.
A ko o bone fela, maabane le letse le oketsa palo ya Matona, maloba le ne le oketsa palo ya Makhanselara a a itlhophelwang.

Maloba le ne le oketsa palo ya land board members a itlhophelwang, ka e bile gape le dirisa sephathi.

Ke lona ba le gorogang fa gape le supa gore madi ga a yo.

Ao!

E kare le tshwere sefalana le fata mo teng, le e ja, le senya, le bo le tla go re bolelela gore madi ga a yo, re ntse re bona jaaka le tshutshuma.

Ntsha madi le duele bagodi, babereki le rekele bana tablets.
Ntsha madi le duele ma P2,500.00 a ba tertiary kwa sekoleng.

Ntshang one madi a le a senyang le dire ditiro ka one Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, Paragraph 43 e bua gore go na le tlou mo teng ga ntlo, Mme Peggy Serame a re there is an elephant in the room.

Ke mang yo o tsentseng tlou; tlou e ka tsena mo ntlong, e tsene ka tsela e e ntseng jang, o e bone leng, a ke gone o e bonang?

BDP e ntse e le mo pusong, tlou e e ntse e le in the room, kana ke gone e tsenang in the room?
Ke dipotso tse ke tlaa di go botsang Mme Peggy Serame.

Re batla gore gompieno re go itsese gore tlou e o buang ka yone mmaetsho o re e mo ntlong, rona ga re a bolo go bua ka yone.

Domkrag ke yone e leng mo ntlong, in the room.

Ke yone e kganelang dilo go diragala.

...(Inaudible)… ke go itsese, goga wa lona ka jale Mma Dow, le ene ke a mmona o a lela ka tlou e gore go a senngwa, e bile le bone ba senngwa maina, e bile ba tlhasetswe e le bomme mo party ya Domkrag, ba tlhaselwa ke system ya Domkrag.
Mo goge ka jale and quit, le tswe mo kgannyeng ya ditlou, le ene a tlogele go lela a ntse golo go le gongwefela ntlo e e sha.

Mr Speaker, Palamente e bua ka gore go na le mo gotweng ...(Inaudible)… paragraph 55 sa boranyane, sa budget deficit, go bo go bolelwa jaana gore kana re tlhaelelwa ke madi.

Nako e re neng re sa tlhaelelwe ke madi, le dirile eng?

Nako ya madi le ne le na le surpluses, le ne la dira eng se se gakgamatsang?
E bile in the budget deficit ... (Inaudible)… gore le ipata ka COVID-19, nako e COVID-19 e neng e seyo, le dirile eng?

Ditsela tsa New Xade, New Xanagas, Hanahai, Metsimantsho, le ne la dira eng go sena deficit kana e le surplus, ga go na sepe se le se dirileng.

Sone Setswana se le se buang, ga le a dira sepe... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke dirile tsela ya Charles Hill.

MR MOTSAMAI: Le dule mo go zero la ya kwa go O. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, mma ke tswelele.

Le ene Charles Hill ga o itse kwa a lebetseng teng.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go batla o o nwa a a molelo ka gore lentswe le tsamaile, matlapa ale a dirile mathata.

MR MOTSAMAI: I wish ke ka bo ke lebagana le wena, jaaka maloba ke lebagane le wena kwa Mogoditshane, ke go tanta, ke bo ke tsaya kgaolo mo go wena.

Mr Speaker, ke tswelele ke re budget e e dirilweng e, ga e gakgamatse, ke budget ya Domkrag, gore e dirilwe ke mme, kana rre, gore a e ne e ka dirwa ke gay kana lesbian, kana jang, e ne e tlaabo e ntse e le budget ya Domkrag.
It remains a Domkrag budget Mr Speaker.

It is a manmade budget ya Domkrag, ga go na gore re boke re re nnyaa, gompieno ke ya ga mme, gompieno ke ya ga yole, ke ya party ya Domkrag Mr Speaker.

Jaanong nna ...(Interruptions)… budget tse dingwe Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, mma ke tsene mo dikgannyeng tsa education, mathata a a kwa kgaolong yame a thuto, ke batla go remelela fela in the region.
Mr Speaker, fa re bua le Matona gore go na le mathata, tsenyang leitlho, go to the Ghanzi Region le bone gore ke eng bana ba palelwa ka tsela e e ntseng jaana.

Go na le dikgang tse e leng gore bana ba fail fa gongwe e le ka lebaka la backgrounds tse di farologanyeng.

Go na le gore barutabana ba nna lebaka le le leele without transfers go sena go dirwa transfers ka botsala le bo lesika Mr Speaker.
Go na le dikgang tse e leng gore barutabana ba ba lwalang ba isiwa kgakala le ditlamelo tsa botsogo Mr Speaker.

Fa ba le koo, ga ba rute ba a itheetsa, ba ...(Inaudible)… jaaka botsogo jwa bone Mr Speaker.

Ke dikgang tse di tshwanetseng gore di tsibogelwe.

Mr Speaker, ga ke ka ke ka fetsa ke ise ke bue ka kgang ya police ya kwa Ncojane le ya kwa Kalkfontein, gore e sale jaaka di agiwa from 1976/1977.

Mr Speaker, police stations tse di tsofetse, di a wa.
Ke supe gore le ba sepodise ba bangwe, le mantlwana tota fela a boitiketso, ba dirisa matlwana a charge office.

Can you imagine, motho a ralala pula a ya kwa charge office Mr Speaker?

Golo mo ke go sotla bana ba batho.

47 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Le kgang fela Mr Speaker, jaaka ke ne ke le mo sepodiseng, tlogelang gore fa gongwe e re lepodise le sa dire sentle, kana le le otlhaya, le bo le le isa kwa Kgalagadi, Kweneng, Ngamiland, kana kwa Okavango kwa kgakala le ditlamelo.

Baakanyang mathata a lepodise, a officer kwa a direlang mathata teng.

This kind of punishing badirelapuso ka go ba isa kgakala Mr Speaker, ga go bereke.
A police stations tse Mr Speaker, di baakanngwe, di nne mo seemong se se eletsegang.

Fa re bua ka kgang ya metsi, ke tsaya gore Honourable Mzwinila o ne a nkaraba ka yone, mme ke tlaa ya go tsaya karabo yame ya metsi a kwa Xade le kwa Metsimantsho gore batho bao ba a sokola, water is bowsed for them from day 1 go fitlhelela.

Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo Mr Speaker, go tshwanetse gore go bonwe gore ba a thusiwa.
Ke bua ka discrimination at the settlements, gore kana settlements through Remote Area Development Programme (RADP), re boleletswe gore batho ba RADP ke ba ba kgakala le ditlamelo, mme go a ne go nna le kgethololo ka gore fa o fitlhelwa at the settlement, kana o se motho Sesarwa, o ka bolelewa gore ga o ka ke wa thusiwa Mr Speaker.
Go tlhokega gore go tsenngwe dithuto tse di tseneletseng mo bodireding jo bo ka tswang bo le koo gore mongwe le mongwe yo o nnang at the settlement, a sekasekiwe according to matshelo a gagwe, ...(Inaudible)… foo Mr Speaker, mme a thusiwe ka fa a ka thusiwang ka teng.

Ke bo ke supa gape Mr Speaker, gore go na le kgang ya matlo a a agiwang a batlhoki le a RADP, gore kana matlo a batlhoki go agilwe ntlo fela e bo e bewa mo lebaleng, ga a agelelwe ke dikhansele.
Golo mo ke lesotlo le lengwe le le fetang selekanyo.

O tlaa tsenya jang pompo ya metsi go sa tsenngwa terata gore o kgone gore o kganele dikgomo le dipodi?

Le fa gotwe o motlhoki, jaanong fa go tsibogelwa botlhoki jwa gago, go tliwa ka lesotlo fa godimo ga botlhoki jwa gago, mo go sa tshwanelang gore go diragale.

A go tsenngwe component ya fence Mr Speaker.

Bo ra tenders le bo radikonteraka ba ba bonang tenders kwa settlements, a ba sekasekwe prices gore di se ka tsa lekanngwa Mr Speaker.
Kana ke bua jaana e le gore RADP house, a two and half has been put to P130, 000, ya destitute e beetswe P100, 000.

To date, is more than 20 years, prices tse di ntse di le teng, boradikonteraka ga go na kwa ba bonang teng material.

MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MS MONNAKGOTLA): Point of clarification.

Mr Speaker, ke ka bua?

OF MR SPEAKER: Ee mme.

MS MONNAKGOTLA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, mme ebile ke a go dumedisa.
Ke botse Motlotlegi Motsamai gore Motlotlegi, ke utlwa a re matlo a batlhoki ga a na dipompo, mme ke botse gore motlotlegi, kana madi a CCP a kile a nna teng ka 2018/2019, mme e bile le jaana ke jaaka Motlotlegi Serame a ne a bua gore madi ao a ya go tswa ka di 1 tsa April.

Ga o akanye gore o ka dirisa madi ao gore Ipelegeng e kgone gore e tsenye terata e bo e dira labour ya metsi, e bo e ka reka material?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


MR MOTSAMAI: Ee ke utlwile, ga ke itse, kana madi a o buang ka one a CCP o a gakologelwa gore maloba fa re ya kwa COVID-19 jaana, go na le dilo tse di neng tsa ema, tse e leng gore wena fa o emelela gompieno, wa re ga di kgonagale ka lebaka la COVID-19.
Jaanong madi a ne a ema lebakanyana, mme gape, jaaka o re ga ke akanye a ka dirisiwa, ke akanya gore a dirisiwe, ke a emetse gore ke ye go a dirisa Mr Speaker, mme bear in mind gore go na le other projects tse di lebaganweng le ke one madi ao gore di a dire.

Ga se gore e ka nna madi fela a agela batho.


Mr Speaker, ke batla gore ke tswelele ke wetsa, ke wetsa jaana Mr Speaker ka gore ba party ya Domkrag ba rata gore fa ba bua, ba re ba parties tsa kganetso ke batho ba ba tsileng mo Palamenteng go tla go ganetsa fela.

Ke bone baitimokanyi ba ntlha.

Fa re na le Motions le dipotso tse re di tsentseng mo Palamenteng, ba a di gana maDomkrag.
Ba bangwe ba re rotloetsa gore tsamaya o ye go tsenya potso kana Motion, mme fa re sena go dira jalo, ba a fapaana ba re ba tshaba go lelekwa mo phathing.

Ba bangwe ba feletse e bile ba supa gore ga ba itumelele ka fa ba sukurwang ka teng mo BDP, bo Rre Moswaane; ba sa itumelele go gobelelwa le ka madi a Masama.

Ke bua dikai ke batla gore mongwe a emelele a nkganetse.
Bo Motlotlegi Reatile, go ne ga tsewa ditshwetso tsa gore he should be suspended from the party gore ba dumalane le ba kganetso, mme Reggie Reatile a supa gore ke ne ke sa dumalane le kganetso.

Ga re a ka ra dumalana sepe kwa caucus ya Domkrag, se ke neng ke se dira ke ne ke dumalana le Palamente.
Se se mo kobileng mo teng ga Domkrag, suspending him mo teng ga Domkrag, jaanong ke batla gore fa e le gore ga go na puso ya batho ka batho kwa go bone, a bo e re ba tshwanetse to address dikgang tsa bone ba bo ba supa gore kganetso ke yone e e sa robalelwang ke ditlhokwa.

Phathi ya Domkrag gompieno ke lantlha re bona Matona ba tlogela botona ka bokete jo bo kanakana.
Botona bo monate; o neelwa ntlo, koloi e e manobonobo le koloi 48 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) e nngwe gape e e tsayang bana e ba isa kwa sekoleng, mme fa o bona motho a kgwa lefura a re nnyaa, a bo tsewe ke ba bangwe, o a bona gore golo fa ngwana wa Modimo o tshela ka botlhoko e se noga.
Ke bone gape ba phathi ya Domkrag, ba gompieno jaana ba setsesetse bangwe ka bone morago ka ditsompelo tsa Puso tsa bo DIS, go supa gore DIS jaanong ga e bereke tiro ya yone, e bereka gore mmaba wa ga semangmang, mmaba wa ga President ke mang kana yo o sa batliweng ke President.

Ke bone batho fela ba ba nnang ba setswesetswe morago gotwe ba tlaa upololwa.

Hei!

Le tla upolola eng, batho?

Legale ka le a re ba sietse kwa mafatsheng a sele.


Dilo tse di diragalang mo phathing ya lona, ga se history ya ga ope, ke history ya Domkrag.

Fa e le gore le ka ipoka la re ka nako ya ga Khama, e ne e le dilo tsa ga Khama, ke history ya Domkrag; tse di ntle le tse di maswe tse di diragatseng ka nako eo, ke lona ba le neng le le Matona.

Bangwe ba lona were cheering him, le ne le le bathusi, le mo thusa gore a dire dilo tseo.

Jaanong le fetogile bo Judas.

Emisang mogopolo wa go fetoga bo Judas Iscariot.


Ba Ghanzi South le kgobe kgetsi, mathata a lona a a re apereng mo Kgaolong ya Ghanzi South, ke tla a emela ka dinao, ke bo ke boa gape ke ya go a emela ka dinao kwa ditlhophong tse di tlang le sena go nna le mpusetsa.

Tla ke leboge jalo Mr Speaker.

Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, ke re neelwang ke Pula motho wetsho.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Motsamai.

HONOURABLE Honourable Motsamai.

MEMBER: Clarification MR SPEAKER: A re o feditse.


HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ehe!

Ke ne ke batla go botsa gore a o ka tshwantshanya le bo Judas ba ba fetogetseng Duma Boko a sena go ba thusa go tsena mo tirong?

FOR PRESIDENTIAL MINISTER AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): Ke a go leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente rraetsho, mme e bile ke a go ikokobeletsa.
Ke dumedise Mothusa Mookamedi, His Honour the Vice President (VP) le Moeteledipele wa Baganetsi, Motlotlegi Rre Dumelang Saleshando le bakaulengwe ba me botlhe ba ba mo Palamenteng e. Ga ke na go nna motelele mo puisanong ya me ka gore tota bakaulengwe ba me ba Domkrag, ba beile mafoko ka botlalo ka tsela e e leng gore tota ga e na go ganediwa ke ope yo o nang le boammaaruri.
Santlha fela jaaka bakaulengwe ba buile, kgang e ya ga Motlotlegi Mme Mma Serame gore a bo a le fa a leng teng, ke ka tsamaiso ya phathi ya Domkrag.

O tsena mo tseleng e re ntseng le Matona a ka nna nine ba ba neng ba dira tiro ka botlalo.

Re ntse le Matona a Finance ba ba neng ba tlhokometse meamuso ya lefatshe le sentle.

Botlhe fela ba ba fetileng, ba dirile tiro ka botlalo mme e le gore le Mme Mma Serame, re dumela gore ka ke wa lesaka le le lengwefela, le ene o ya go dira tiro ka botlalo.
Ga go na fa a tlhaelang teng gotlhelele.

Re itse tiro ya gagwe a dirile mo Pusong, mme e bile gape le ene a tswa mo phathing e e nang le maikarabelo ya Domkrag, o tla dira tiro ka botlalo.

Seo re a se lebogela e bile re mo eleletsa masego gore a tswelele ka tiro e ntle e. Tla ke leboga, ke fetele kwa pele ka gore pele fa ke ya kwa pele, ke leboge dikole tsa Molepolole Borwa.

Ke simolole fela ka sa Kgari Sechele se e leng gore morago ga dingwaga di le mmalwa… MR HIKUAMA: Procedure Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, ke kopa o ntlhalosetse fa, gongwe o tla mpusetsa mo tseleng.

Mme Mma Serame, kana ke yo o itlhophetsweng ke Palamente, jaanong Rre Morwaeng fa a re o tswa mo phathing ya Domkrag, o raya jang ka gore re itse gore o tlhophilwe e le Specially Elected, ga a tlhophiwa ke Domkrag?

A mme o bua sentle fa a re ke moDomkrag o tswa mo phathing ya Domkrag?

MR SPEAKER: O tlaa ipoletsa Mme Serame ka bo ga gago, ga ke di tsene.

leboga Motsamaisa MR MORWAENG: Ke a Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ga a molato.
Ga a molato.

Ke leboge sekole sa Kgari Sechele; mogokgo, barutabana, bana ba sekole le batsadi; maiteko a ba a dirileng monongwaga gore sekole se ne se le kwa go number 28 mo maduong a a fetileng, gompieno ba bo ba le kwa go number 20.

Le percentages tsa bone di supa gore go na le maiteko.

Ke leboga barutabana ba Kgari Sechele le botlhe ba ba amegang.

Ke leboga le ba Lephata la Education kwa Molepolole ka maiteko a ke itseng gore ba a dira mabapi le go tokafatsa seemo sa thuto mo kgaolong ya rona.
Ke a leboga.

Dikole tsotlhe bogolo jang community junior secondary tsa rona, Dithejwane e e gatetseng pele thata, Sedumedi, Boitshoko le Masilo, maiteko a ba a dirileng; barutabana, bana le batsadi, ke a leboga thata.

Go a bonala gore go na le pharologano.

Le primary schools tsotlhe tsa Molepolole Borwa, maiteko a teng, go a bonala gore ka nnete ba na le Mopalamente yo a ba 49 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) kgothatsang, yo o berekang le bone sentle e bile maduo a bana ke sekai sa gore fa re tshwaraganetse tiro mmogo ya go tokafatsa maduo a bana ba rona, ke selo se se ntle thata.
Ke ne ke re pele fa ke fetela kwa pele bogolo jang ke itebagantse le ba thuto, o ya go fitlhela motho a tshwana le mogokgo wa sekole sa Dithejwane, a dirile sentle thata, a tsweletse ka go dira sentle jaaka a ntse a dira, mathata a bo e nna gore tsela ya go leka go lemoga se a se dirileng, we promote him to the region.
Ke mmaya e le sekai fela gore system yone ya gore fa gongwe motho a bo a dira sentle fa a leng teng, mme gongwe e re when we promote him, re bo re mo tsenya mo administration, re mo isa fa pele fale, gongwe ke nngwe ya dilo tse re le ba bodirelapuso, re tlaa tshwanelwang ke go akantshana le bagarona go bona gore re tla e tokafatsa jang go bona gore motho e le morutabana, a dira tiro ka botlalo, a kgone gore a lemogiwe a ntse fa a leng teng, go sa tlhokege gore a bo a ka ya go sele.
Re setse re kile ra latlhegelwa ke bagokgo ba bangwe ba ba very good mo kgaolong ya rona ya Molepolole jaaka motho a tshwana le Rre Fraser Tlhoiwe yo o kileng a re latlhegela and promoted go sele.

Jaanong ke re ka tsela yone e, thulaganyo e ke ne ke re ke le tlhomamisetse gore re tla e ela tlhoko, re tlaa bona gore re itsibogela (address) jang go bona gore re tle re kgone gore performance ya rona e tle e ye kwa godimo ka tsela yone e e ntseng jalo.
Re lemogele motho fa a leng teng and promote him a ntse a le mo classroom, re mo okeletse a ntse a le mo classroom.

Mooki a okelediwe a ntse a le teng foo; administrators e nne administrators.

Ke thulaganyo e re tlaa e lebang as a caring Government.

Ntlha nngwe e ke batlang gore ke fete ka yone ke gore, you know lefatshe la Botswana, Puso... MR TSOGWANE: Clarification.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, o bua ntlha e e botlhokwa Motlotlegi Morwaeng.
Kana thulaganyo e fa e sa diragadiwe, e tlaabo e le gongwe ka phoso.

O lemoga sentle gore go ne ga simolodisiwa (introduce) mo nakong e e fetileng mo go neng go bidiwa gotwe parallel progression.

Go raya gore motho ga a tlhokane le gore a ye go nna Headmaster, fa nako ya gagwe ya go tsholediwa maemo (promotion) e gorogile, go tshwanetse gore go nne le parallel progression.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR MORWAENG: Ke a leboga Mothusa Mookamedi.


Ke sone se re yang go leka gore re itebaganye le sone, gore se diragadiwe ka botlalo.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… MR MORWAENG: Ke boammaaruri gore re bona gore le gontsi, e bile re tlaa dira gore go diragadiwe, tiro e tle e kgone go direga sentle.

Mma ke taboge ke re mabapi le COVID-19, re dirile.

Mmuso wa ga Tautona Masisi le Domkrag o dirile tiro e tona ka go boloka matshelo a batho.
Jaaka ba ntse ba bua, re ntse sekai le sekao mo mafatsheng re le Lefatshe la Botswana, re kgonne go boloka matshelo a batho.

Ke sone se ke dumalanang le mogopolo wa gore Lephata la Health and Wellness, le bo le neetswe madi a mantsi le mororo sepatšhe se sena sepe, madi a seyo, mme ba bo ba neetswe go le go golwane gore ba tle ba kgone gore ba dire tiro ya bone sentle.
Se se supa ka bokgoni jwa rona re le phathi ya Domkrag le Goromente wa ga Motlotlegi Rraetsho Masisi, gore we care, re tlhokomela matshelo a batho ba rona.

Ke sone se re kentileng batho botlhe, e bile baganetsi le ba e leng bo marata helele, nnyaa tlhe ba didimetse, ba a lemoga gore ga gona sepe se ba ka se buang.

Se setona, go a supega, tiro ya rona e a bonala re le phathi ya Domkrag.

Re bolokile matshelo a batho, batho ga ba sa fitlhwa jaaka pele.
COVID-19 e ntse e teng, mme batho ba rona ba bolokesegile.

Se ke ka se buang Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente ke gore, mo go ya health, ke a amogela gore madi a ga a na go lekana, mme re ele tlhoko thata kwa Kgaolong, bogolo jang ya Molepolole Borwa.

E e leng re nang le sepatela se se siameng thata, se mathata a sone e nnang dikgang tsa dipilisi le dingaka di tlhaela.

Re na le dikgang tse di tshwanang le tsa clinics Rre Dikoloti, jaaka o di bone kwa Molepolole, di dinnye di sale di agilwe bogologolo.
Keletso ya me ke gore fa madi a bonetseng teng rra, a re bone gore go ka kgonega jang gore clinics tsa Lekgwapheng, Kgosing, Mokgopeetsane, Loologa, Mmanoko le kwa Gamodubu, o fitlhela di le dibotlana di clinics tse.

Fa madi a bonetseng teng, kopo ya me ke gore a re tle re di lebe di kgone go okediwa.

Le baoki ba ba mo go tsone o fitlhela ba le palo potlana, fa madi a le teng a go tle go itebaganngwe le gore ba okediwe, gore kgang e ya botsogo e e tle e lwantshiwe sentle ka mmetela.
Kgang ya dipilisi, ke a itse gore re na le mathata a gore fa gongwe dikompone tse di fiwang tenders tsa gore ba reke dipilisi, ba tlise dipilisi, go atle go nne le mathata.

Ke na le tshepho ya gore ka thulaganyo e ntšha e re yang go dira ka yone, e e kwa Paragraph 42 re tlaa bona gore 50 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) tota go ye go salwa morago gore botlhe ba ba fiwang tenders tsa gore ba direle Puso sengwe, ba dire ka ponyo ya leitlho, tiro e tle e direge sentle ka gore re Goromente yo o kgathalang, re ikaelela gore matshelo a batho a tokafale.

Selo se re tshwanetseng re se emele ka dinao Mma Serame gore, go se ka ga nna le lephata lepe la Puso le le busang madi.
Rona re le Puso re ntshitse madi gore a ye go tlhabolola dikgaolo tsa rona, mme madi a bo a busiwa because of kgang ya go tlhoka to implement.

Ke tswelele pele rraetsho ke supe gore budget e, e tla ka nako e re nang le dikgwetlho.

Nako e COVID-19 e ntseng e na le rona for two years, diteemane di sa rekwe, go na le dikgwetlho tse e seng mo Botswana fela.
Kana fa ba bangwe ba sa buse, tota bone ke bo mogotswana ikage fela, mo go bone ga se sepe fela, re batla se, dirang jaana, ke eng le sa duele batho bokana.

Ke sa ba tshwae phoso gotlhelele, boammaaruri jaaka ke atle ke bue, fa o ganetsa le o neetswe tiro o dira, go a farologana, mme ke sa ba tshwae phoso kana tota tiro ya bone ke go ganetsa.

E se molato, ke raya fela gore... HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ne o rile o tlaa nna mokhutshwane, go fedile, ema.
MR MORWAENG: Re lemoga dikgwetlho tse, ke dikgwetlho tse Batswana ba tshwanetseng ba itse gore Mma Serame, lephata la gagwe le badirelapuso, go dirilwe budget e ka nako e re tswang mo dikgwetlhong tse re ntseng re le mo go tsone mo bogompienong.

Ga re solofele gore re ka bo re na le madi a mantsintsi, re ntse re itse dikgwetlho tse re tswang mo go tsone, le tse re leng mo go tsone mo bogompienong.
Batswana se ba tshwanetse ba se itse gore, budget e e dirilweng gompieno, is the best budget e dirilweng ke bodirelapuso, e dirwa ka consultation e e ntseng teng.

Ga se boammaaruri jaaka Motlotlegi Rre Khama a ne a re ga go a nna le morero, morero o ntse teng sentle.

Ke a itse gore gongwe mogolo o tsaya nako go ya kwa kgaolong, mme fa a ka bo a ya kwa kgaolong, ba ka bo ba mmoleletse kwa gae gore nnyaa, mme ba ba maleba ba buile se ba ka kgonang go se dira.
Fa ke feleletsa ke bue kgang ya gore, ke utlule e bile ke a itse gore re na le dikgwetho dingwe tse di amanang le implementation le gore tenders fa gongwe di tsaya nako e telele pele fa go nna le implementation jalojalo.

Go na le thulaganyo e ntšha e e teng mo ministries tse tsotlhe, tse re boneng gore go na le kgang ya batho ba re reng ke buyers.

Go leka go fema seemo sa tiego ya go pasa tenders tsa rona, go ne go diega thata.
Karabo e nngwe e teng mo Paragraph 42, e e supang gore re ya go fetola seemo sa implementation ya projects tsa rona.

Tse tumelo ya me e leng gore tiego e e neng e ntse e nna teng, e tlaa kgona gore kgang e ya implementation e e neng e diega, ya gore fa gongwe go bo go busiwa madi.

Ke a itse gore go builwe ka kgang ya corruption, eo ke a e dumela gore rotlhe re tshwanetse re e lwantshe.
Mo ministries re na le diagente, buyers le officers tsa DCEC, kopo fela ke gore a mongwe le mongwe yo o neetsweng tiro ya gagwe gore a e dire, a e dire ka botlalo go fema seemo se go tlaabong go nna, “mashi ke montle ke tswa thobeng, selabe se tla le motsaya kgamelo.” Re le Goromente re na le mananeo a mantle, a bo a sa direge jaaka re eleditse.
Jaaka mongwe a ne a setse a buile, kgang e re e dirileng bogolo jang through the Ministry of Finance and Economic Development le bodirelapuso jo bo farologaneng ka fa tlase ga bokaedi jwa ga Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona, ke ya greylisting e re duleng mo go yone.

Bangwe ba utluleng botlhoko gore re dule mo greylisting, ka gore e ne e le pina e le kosha ya nako le nako.

Bo moeka ba ikgatlha, ba itumela gore ba tlaa ratwa ke batho fa go na le greylisting.
Re a leboga gore gompieno re bo re dule mo greylisting, re bo re leboga gore Palamente e, bosheng re ile ra ema ka dinao ka fa tlase ga leadership ya Domkrag le lefatshe le, gore re kgone go baakanya melao ka tsela e e leng gore ga re kitla re boela mo seemong seo.

Mo ke... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Rre Morwaeng.

MR MORWAENG: Ee, mpha five minutes fela ke tlaa le neela sebaka tsala ya me.
Ke re mme ka sone seo, go na le kgang e e teng ya ditlhabololo, gore re tshwanetse fa gongwe re adime madi jaaka re kile ra a adima through Minister wa Finance a kopa tetla ya gore a adime madi, mme fa gongwe batho ba bo ba kgala gotwe golo moo jaanong Goromente o tsamaisiwa ka bo matšhonisa jaaka go ne go bua mogolole Motlotlegi Nkawana a bua ka sengwe sa bo matšhonisa.

Bagaetsho, re batla ditlhabololo ba rotlhe.

Batswana botlhe ba batla ditlhabololo.


Fa go tlhokegang teng gore re adime, re tlaa tswelela re adima.

Madi a gore re tle re kgone go a busa ka nako mo go tshwanetseng, re tsamaisitse lefatshe le ka tlhokomelo e ntsi ya matlole a lefatshe.

Tota re tshwanetse re amogele gore fa go tlhokega gore re adime, re adime, e bile re tlaa tswelela re dira jalo.

Ga se go tsamaisa lefatshe ka bo matšhonisa.

Motlotlegi Nkawana tota ke a itse gore o mo kganetsong.
Ba 51 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) paletswe ke go tla ka alternative budget, e le ba kganetso.

Re utlwile fela go buiwa dilo tse dintsi tse di sa amaneng le budget tse e leng gore fa nako e le teng re tlaa bua ka tsone.

P1,500.

Ke re tota le rona re na le bana kwa malwapeng batho betsho ba e leng gore fa gongwe fa o tla ka setlhako, o lelela borokgwe, Dr Never Tshabang.

Ke re seemo se se a tlhaloganyesega.


Opposition ya rona, maloba fa go na le State of the Nation Address (SONA) ba paletswe ke go tla ka alternative, gompieno go na le Budget e e re e filweng ke Motlotlegi Serame, ba paletswe ke go tla ka alternative budget.

So, ke re Batswana ba tshwanetse ba lemoge gore batho ba ba garona ba kganetso, ga go na sepe se ba ka tlang ka sone se se tokafatsang tsamaiso.

Tota tiro ya bone ya go ganetsa ba e dira sentle, ke baganetsi.
Gore ba ka tla ka megoplo e e ka agang lefatshe, ga se se ba ka se kgonang.

Ke tshwanetse ke wetse ka gore re bona budget e go na le fa go lebilweng batho ba ba tshwanetseng go thusiwa, sekai re bua ka bagodi, VDCs le batho ba ba farologanyeng ba e leng gore… MR TSOGWANE: On a point of elucidation.

Ke a leboga Honourable Minister.

O se ka wa fela pelo, o tseye nako eo ya gago o tlhalose go utlwale, Batswana ba utlwe.

Ke elucidation ya ntlha.


La bobedi, wena le fa o ntse o supa gore ke baganetsi, nna ke bona gore ga se boganetsi fela, ke boganetsi jo bo kopantseng le go sa tlhaloganya gore priorities tsa setšhaba ke eng, priorities tsa Puso e ke eng, Reset Agenda e re lebisitse kae, our Budget Strategy Paper e re… …Silence… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Re a itse gore priority ke Banyana Farms le Tautona Lodge.

MR MORWAENG: Mma ke tswelele, ga ke mo utlwe.

O feditse Mothusa Mookamedi?

MR TSOGWANE: Thank you sir.


MR MORWAENG: Ke ne ke re we are caring Government.

Goromente wa ga Tautona Masisi, ke Goromente o o kgathalang.

Ke sone se batho ba re lelang ka bone jaaka ke tlhalosa gore mo the vulnerable group, re okeditse ka fa go ka kgonegang ka teng mo budget e ya ga Motlotlegi Serame.

Fa madi a ne a le teng, re ka bo re oketsa go feta fa.
Jaanong ba ba ntseng ba kgala ba re re ka bo re okeditse go feta fa, le rona including Motlotlegi Serame, keletso e ne e le gore re ka bo re okeditse go feta fa, mme madi ga a yo.

Ga ke gakgamale fa bangwe ba re nnyaa, go ka bo go okeditswe ka ma Batswana ba tshwanetse ba lemoge gore ke maiteko a Puso e bile phathi e a kgathala, Goromente o a kgathala.

Gore re bo re okeleditse batsadi ba rona ka bonnyennyane jo, e tlaa re nako ya go kgonegile, nako ya re na le gone re ba okeletse go feta foo.
Ka tsela eo, ke tsaya gore bagarona selo se ba tlaa se lebogela.

Re tshwanetse re lemoge gore re le Puso re mo seemong se e leng gore di dintsi tse re ntseng re di dira le mo gompienong.

Fa o bua ka kgang ya education, ga re a fetogela gore bana ba rona ba bo ba ntse kwa dikoleng, Goromente e le ene a duelang.

Ga re a fetola gore mo go tsa botsogo Goromente e bo e le ene a ntse a duela, ga re a fetola gore kgang ya bagodi e re ka gore madi ga a yo re bo re re nnyaa a re e phimole.
Go ntse go tsweletse jaaka ke ntse ke bua ka batlhoki, banalebogole, dikhutsana le mananeo a a farologanyeng a a kwa agriculture.

Goromente ene o wa Domkrag, ke Goromente yo e leng gore ga a ise e ko e re ka epe nako e re fa re le mo mathateng a madi re bo re re a re emise go tlhokomela batho ba ga rona.

Selo se Batswana ba tshwanetse ba se lemoge gore ke mokgwa wa Puso e e kgathalang.
Lenaneo la Poverty Eradication, as an example, ke lenaneo le re le tokafatsang, le ya go nna lenaneo le e leng gore it empowers batho ba garona go gaisa mo seemong sa gompieno.

Ke mananeo a go tokafadiwang ka tsela e e leng gore batho ba ga rona ba ya go thusega go gaisa gompieno.

Mo gompienong bangwe ba ne ba kgala Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona ka lenaneo la gagwe la diphoko jalojalo.

Ke re ga le a sutlha mananeo a Puso.


Se e neng Motlotlegi Tautona a se dira, o ne a supa bopelotlhomogi le lorato la gagwe mo setšhabeng ka go fa batho diphoko le diphelefu ka tsela yone eo.

Ga a tshwane le yo e leng gore o ne a tlaabo a a fa batho diphaphatha, tsala ya me bo Hikuama ba bo ba opa diatla.
Ke bo ke re nnyaa fa motho e ka re a tshwana le Motlotlegi Tautona a a fa motho …(Interruptions)… mo kgaolong yone eo… mo gompienong Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona, o na le lenaneo le lengwe gape le le tlang le e leng gore dipoo di ya go abiwa lefatshe leno lotlhe.

E ne ga a gope a bo a tsaya dilo a bo a di metsa nnyaa, o a kopa.
Le rona re le Mapalamente jaana, re na le tshwanelo ya gore reye kwa go ene re re, “rra, tsaya dipoo tse pedi ke tse o ye go neela Batswana ba kgaolo ya gore gore tiro e direge.” Mme ke re seemo sone…(Interruptions)… 52 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MS MONNAKGOTLA): On a point of elucidation.
Ke a leboga Mr Speaker mme e bile ke utlwa Motlotlegi Morwaeng a e tshwere sentle, bogolo jang ka tiro e e leng gore Motlotlegi Tautona o a e dira ya diphelefu ka gore tiro eo, ke tiro e ntle thata mo Motswaneng Rre Morwaeng.

Phelefu eo e e neng e ile kwa kgaolong ya me e monana e neng a e bona, e setse e mo diretse ka diatla e bile lesaka le tsamaela go tlala.

So, tiro e e ntle, e gaisa ya diphaphatha mme ke a go leboga motlotlegi.

Thank you.
Thank you.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... MR MORWAENG: Ke na le five minutes, ke kopa gore le eme pele ke na le dikgang tse dintsi.

Go na le kgang ya corruption e e leng gore Puso e ya rona ya Domkrag, e e lwantsha ka tsela e e gakgamatsang.

Bagaetsho, ke phathi ya Domkrag, Goromente wa Domkrag o o beileng makalana a go lwantsha tshenyetso-setšhaba.

Makalana a bo DCEC, FIA, Ethics and Integrity le a mangwe, ke phathi, Goromente wa ga Domkrag a tlileng ka one go lwantsha tsenyetso-setšhaba.
Jaanong go a gakgamatsa, fa gongwe le fa tshenyetso- setšhaba e lwantshiwa, o tlaa utlwa bone ba ba reng ga e lwantshiwe, e bile ba batla re tlhopha gore go tshwarwe mang, mang a thuse mapodise ka ditlhotlhomiso.

Fa ba kopa gore mmasemangmang kana rasemangmang ema fa o re thuse ka ditlhotlhomiso, bangwe ba a bokolela, “nnyaa e seng yoo, se mo tshwareng, se mmitseng!” Re tshwanetse gore re itse gore… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: What is out of order Honourable Member?
MR BOKO: On a point of order.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, in the past Honourable Morwaeng o ne a tla gone fa, a kgalemela batho ba dirisa mafoko a e seng one, together with the Deputy Speaker.

Jaanong fa a re Mapalamente a a bokolela, I do not think go ka dirisiwa lefoko gotwe motho o a bokolela Mr Speaker.

Go na le Mapalamente a matona mo go ene, boHonourable Gobotswang, honourable …(Interruptions)… Ke kopa a boele mafoko ao morago.
Ga se mafoko a a tshwanetseng go tswa kwa Office of the President (OP).

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... MR MORWAENG: Sa ntlha, ke rile fa e le gore bangwe go thusa ka ditlhotlhomiso… MR BOKO: Mr Speaker, are you not going to make a ruling on this one?

MR SPEAKER: I am not ruling because ga ke itse gore o bua ka ga eng.

Fa gotwe batho ba a bokolela, ga o itse gore go tewa eng?

MR BOKO: Okay Mr Speaker, ke ne ke sa itse gore lefoko le le a letlelelwa, ke tlaa tla ke le dirisa kamoso.
MR MORWAENG: Ka tsela eo, bagaetsho, a re nneng boammaaruri, re se ka ra nna teme pedi.

Fa re re a re lwantsheng corruption, re raya e lwantshiwa mo setšhabeng sotlhe gore disinyi, dibataladi, maepantlo le botsomela gae, re kgone re tshele sentle, rotlhe re a dumalana.

Ke ne ke re morwarre Rre Kapinga, maloba o ne a tlhasetse gore go begilwe kwa go Tautona, Mothusa Tautona le Ramapodise.
Ke re nnyaa, motlotlegi tsala ya me yo ke go tlotlang thata ke go rata Rre Kapinga, ke itse o le an experienced police officer.

O gakolole batho gore go na le selo se bitswa police station.

Fa o na le dikgang o ya kwa police station o ya go ipega teng.

Ga go begiwe kwa go Tautona le Mothusa Tautona.

You report kwa mapodiseng, ke araba Rre Kapinga tsala ya me.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, o araba Dow.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, Boko o a re tlhodia.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga ke tsala ya gago.


MR SPEAKER: O tshwana fela le Boko le wena.

MR MORWAENG: Ee, go siame o a intatola.

Mr Speaker, a nako ya me e emisitswe?

Mr Speaker, nako ya me ka koo ka boikokobetso ka tsweetswee sir.

MR SPEAKER: Ee, ba a go disturb, continue Minister.

MR MORWAENG: Ka tsela eo ke re, nnyaa batho betsho, re itlamile go lwantsha corruption, e bile re ya go tswelela re e lwantsha ka ditsela tsotlhe.
Kgang ya gore re dira developments mo dikgaolong dingwe, e seng mo go tse dingwe jaaka go e tle go nne le batho ba re kgaolo ya me e tlhoilwe, batho bagaetsho ba tlhoilwe, ke re nnyaa batho betsho, lefatshe le kwa le tswang teng, re batho ba re dumelang mo popaganong ya bosetšhaba.

Ga go na development epe since independence e e dirwang go lebilwe dikgaolo dingwe, tse dingwe di seegetswe fa 53 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) thoko.

Re le Batswana, re le tšhaba, bana ba rona ba re ba hirileng mo diofising, ga ba hiriwe ka semorafe.

Ba ba re thusang ka dikgang tsa developments ba tswa gongwe le gongwe.

Ke ne ke kopa ka tlotlo bakaulengwe ba me Mapalamente, le mororo o ka tswa o eletsa ditlhabololo kwa ga lona, se akanye gore fa sekole kgotsa clinic e ise e tle, ke ka gore Goromente o a go ila.

Ga o ilwe ke ope, e bile batho bao ba ba kwa kgaolong eo ke Batswana.
E bile go na le ditlhabololo dingwe mo kgaolong ya ga lona, ga se mo o kareng go raya gore Goromente o ila batho ba koo.

Ga go na Goromente yo o ilang batho ba kgaolo epe mo lefatsheng la rona.

Ke ne ke re ke fete ka ntlha nngwe pele ga ke nna fa fatshe.

Bagaetsho, kgang ya Bargaining Council e mongwe a kileng a kgabola ka yone ke re, it is on process.

Batho ba tsweletse go a buisanngwa go a welwa.

Kgang ya negotiations tsa salaries, le yone go tsweletswe go a buisanngwa.
Mongwe o ne a setse a akgetse ka gore e tlaare ka April, re bo re tsena mo seemong se e leng gore bodirelapuso bo tlaa duelwa beke ya ntlha, ya bobedi le ya boraro.

Dipuisanyo di tsweletse le bagarona, tse re dumalaneng le ba unions.

Tirisanyo ya bone le Goromente ke e e kgatlhang, e ntle thata.

Kgang e mongwe a kileng a e bua le Mme Serame a e bua, rationalisation e Goromente a buileng ka yone, e tlaa diragadiwa.
Re solofetse gore e tlaare fa e wela mo malatsing a a sa fediseng pelo, mookamedi rraarona Tautona a tlhalosetse setšhaba ka botlalo.

Ke ka le tlhomamisetsa gore e tlaa dirwa ka gore maikaelelo le maikemisetso a rationalisation ke gore, ditlamelo di tle di kgone go isiwa kwa bathong botoka.

Maphata a a nyalanang a dirisanya sentle, a nne mo lephateng le le lengwefela.

Maikaelelo le maikemisetso ke gore ditlamelo di tle di isiwe kwa bathong sentle.

Re Goromente yo o kgathalang.


Re Goromente yo e leng gore fa batho ba bua, re a utlwa.

Re Goromente yo e leng gore mo nakong e e sa fediseng pelo, re ya go bona seemo se e leng gore kwa television ya Botswana, content 80 per cent would be local, 20 per cent e le foreign.

Re Goromente who cares.

Ba ne ba bua bangwe ba re Morwaeng la reng ka kgang ya commission e le tseneng mo go yone le sa tshwanela.

Motswana mongwe le mongwe ka boikokobetso a a ye kwa Kgotleng ya ga bone a ye go ntsha maikutlo a gagwe.
Ba ba ngadileng ba re ga ba bue, a ba se ka ba kgoreletsa rona ba re sa ngalang.

Ntshang maikutlo le le Batswana le ye go ntsha dikgang tsa lona kwa commission e e tlhophilweng sentle ka fa molaong.

Maikaelelo a yone ke go isa lefatshe le golo gongwe.

Motswana mongwe le mongwe, parties tsa sepolotiki… MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Minister.

MR MORWAENG: I support Mme Serame mo kgannyeng e ya Budget.

HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): Thank you Mr Speaker.
Ke dumedise Batswana kwa gae, dikgaolo tsotlhe tsa Botswana.

Ba setse ba utlwile ka fa Budget e neng e rolwa ka teng le gore batlotlegi fa ba buisana, ba ntse ba e sekaseka ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Ba tshwanetse go e tlhoma matlho, ba e ela tlhoko.

Ke tseye sebaka se lantlha jaaka batlotlegi ba bangwe, ke leboge Tona Mme Serame go bo a re roletse Budget e, ka nako e e thata, e mongwe le mongwe a lemogang gore go ne go se motlhofo gore e ka bo e ntse ka fa e ntseng ka teng.
Ke bo ke mo leboge gape ka gore ke Budget ya gagwe ya ntlha e le Tona wa Madi le Ditlhabololo.

Ke mo lebogele gore mo godimo ga moo, e bo e le Tona wa ntlha wa mme mo Pusong e ya ga Domkrag.

Go raya gore re dirile ditso, le nako e e tlang go tlaa supafala gore re ne ra tlhoma Tona wa ntlha wa mme, Mme Serame.

Re go lebogise fela thata, ka gore bokgoni jwa gago bo a itsege, ga bo kana ka sepe.

O kile wa etelelela lephata la Puso o le Permanent Secretary ka lebaka.
O ne wa nna Tona, le go ikgethelwa ga gago go maleba.

Ga go tshwane jaaka bangwe e rile fa nako ya Tautona a kgetha ba a ba ikgethetseng la bo le marwamarwa ka dipuo, le buiwa gore bangwe le ka tswa e le gore le tswa kwa kgaolong efe, le ka tswa le sikana jang, mme go sena boammaaruri mo dikgannyeng tseo tsotlhe.

Jaanong ba ba neng ba di bua ba a ikitse.

Le gompieno ba santse ba ikitse.

Fa e le gore ke batho ba ba nang le thong, ke tsaya gore thong eo e nnile teng.
Gongwe go ya kwa pele ga ba ka ke ba tlhola e re fa go tlhophiwa Matona kana ba Specially Elected ba bo ba ipelaetsa ka tsela e ba neng ba ipelaetsa ka teng.

Ke go leboge ka seemo seo.

Ke bo ke tseye sebaka se ke leboge Tautona, gore mo nakong e e thata e e tshwanang le e, e re itseng gore seemo se re tswang mo go sone kana se re santseng re le mo go sone se bokete go le kae, a bo a tsweletse ka go tlhomama mo maikaelelong a Puso a a dirileng, a a dira ka ditlhopho tsa 2019.
Ga a ise a ko a boele kwa morago.

O bile a dira maikaelelo a mangwe a rotloetsa gore tse di tlang, tse di botlhokwatlhokwa mo nakong ya gompieno jaanong e ya go nna eng le eng.

Mo re neng re go bitsa His Excellency’s Priorities le Reset Agenda.

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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Re bua Budget e Mr Speaker re lebile seemo se re leng mo go sone.
Re lebile gore re ne re sa itse gore mo nakong ya gompieno tota le Budget e e ka bo e le teng.

Kana re ne re le mo gare ga mathata, ra ipha botlhale.

Mid-Term Review re ne ra e dira ka boitumelo le tshwanelo re ise re tsene mo mathateng.

Ya re fa go nna le mathata ra boa, ra ya go bona gore re ka dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang to finance dikeletso tsa Batswana, national priorities le strategic objectives.

Tse re neng re tshwanetse to finance them.


Ra tla ka Economic Recovery and Transformation Plan (ERTP), jaaka o itse Mr Speaker.

Mma Serame a di eteletse kwa pele a re tlhomamisetsa ka Budget Strategy Paper, e e neng e le matlhagolela tsela, a supa gore mo letsatsing la gompieno re tlaabo re na le Budget ya sebopego se se ntseng jang.

Ga a fapoga gope mo go tse re neng re di solofela mo go ene.
O dirile fela sentle, ka botlalo, maikaelelo a matona jaaka re a itse, e le a gore jaanong re ye go tlhomama mo national priorities tsa rona le Reset Agenda, e e leng gore ke yone e re tlhomameng mo go yone.

Re rotloetsa ERTP jaaka re tshwanetse gore re ye to finance Budget ka yone gompieno.

Re a itse gore reserves tsa rona di ne tsa amega thata.

Re a itse gore our Government investment account e ne ya ya kwa tlase thata ga tsenya tsebetsebe.
Mo nakong ya gompieno letshogo leo le e tla le ntse le fela, le fa re santse re lwantsha bolwetse, ka gore jaanong go tlaa tsaya lebaka to recover kana gore di boele mo seemong sa pele ga this pandemic, jaaka go ntse ka teng.

Fela re mo tseleng, mo seporong.

Batswana ba se ka ba nna le letshogo, ba a utlwa le bone gore re tsweletse sentle ka se re se tlhomameng.
Ke batla gore pele fa ke tswelela ke ya kgakala, let me quote mo go yone, “The Budget Strategy Paper ya 2022”, Mr Speaker, ka gore ke yone moalo, ke yone foundation.

Ke yone e e supang gore re simolotse kae.

Ke eng re le fa re leng teng.

Ke kopa gore o ntetle Mr Speaker to quote paragraph 27 ya yone… MR SPEAKER: Proceed, Leader of the House.

MR TSOGWANE: “The National Priorities and Strategy Objectives for 2022/2023.
The overarching set of national priorities and strategic objectives was laid out in the Mid-Term Review of National Development Plan 11.
And accompanying economic Recovery Transformation Plan, ERTP, since the approval of the Mid-Term Review and the ERTP by Parliament in September 2020, the economic and social environment has been overshadowed by the impact of COVID-19, which has prolonged beyond the expectations of many when the pandemic was first announced.” Se se re bontsha sentle ka botlalo gore re ne re duba ntlhaga e re leng mo go yone e ka seemo se.

Ga re a ka ra ipona tsapa.


Re a itse gore dikgwetlho di teng tsa kgolo ya itsholelo, tsa go leka go fedisa lehuma.

Re a itse gore dikgwetlho tse jaaka le letlhoko la ditiro le ntseng ka teng, di bifetse kwa pele, di nnile maswe thata le go feta, these are structural problems or challenges.

Go tla ga COVID-19 ga go a ka ga fokotsa kana gareng, instead go ne ga re baya mo seemong se se bokete le go feta mo dintlheng tse ke setseng ke di buile.

Jaanong go batla eng Mr Speaker?


Go batla maano a a tseneletseng, a re neng ra felela e le gore to deal with these problems and structural challenges we have to transform the economy.

Ke gone fa transformation of the economy away from the mineral led growth to a more diversified employment intensive and also knowledge intensive and competitiveness based growth e tshwanetse gore e nne teng.
Ke sone se o bonang re eme ka dinao Mr Speaker, priority ntlha ya rona e ya COVID re tsweletse ka go e lwantsha, ka gore ke yone e e bifisetsang seemo se pele.

E re ke le foo, ke lemoge, ke bo ke leboge Batswana mo go yone priority ya go lwantsha COVID, gore Batswana re bangwe ba batho ba ba tlaa balwang mo bathong ba e leng ga re a ka ra nna le ketsaetsego fa go buiwa ka mokento wa COVID-19.

Re ne ra nna bofefo, ra amogela mokento.


Mafatshe a mangwe a ne a nna le mo gotweng vaccine hesitation, batho ba iteega tsebe, bangwe ba dumela thata gore mekento ga e a siama.

Bangwe ba dumela thata gore mekento e ke selo se se itiretsweng fela.
Ke sone se gongwe bangwe ba ga rona ba neng ba nna le dipelaelo kwa tshimologong tse ke sa batleng go tsena mo go tsone, ka gore Rre Morwaeng le Mapalamente a mangwe, bo Rre Healy le ba bangwe jalo, go bala ke go rata, ba buile thata ka dintlha tse tsa tshimologo ya bolwetse jwa COVID-19 le ka fa re tshwereng ka teng.

Fa go ne go na le sengwe se se batlang commission, e ne e le gone gore maikutlo a batho a ne a ntse jang ka COVID-19.
Ke yone e e neng e ka batla commission, gore re tle re bone gore a mo maikutlong a ga go a ka ga nna le gore bangwe ba timele, ba timetse bangwe.

Ke re dilo tse di ntseng jaana we have learnt lessons ka se se neng se diragala ka fa re neng ra itshola ka teng, ra tshwara COVID ka teng.

Re ithutile go le gontsi, e bile re tlaa tswelela mo nakong e e tlang fa pandemic ya seemo se e ka tla, re tlaabo re itse fela sentle gore re tshwanetse ra reng.
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Gompieno re santse re le mo motlhaleng, re santse re bua ka COVID, wa go bona gore a ga re ka ke ra itirela vaccines rona ka kwano.
Kana go tlhokana le matlhale, le ba ba nang le kitso tse di rileng, babeeletsi ba ba rileng, ba re tshwanetseng gore re bo re ka buisana le bone.

Re ntse re buisana le bone, ba phelelong gongwe fa dipuisano tse di ka atlega re ka felela re le bangwe ba re itirelang vaccines le rona mo lefatsheng le la rona.

Ke sengwe se ke batlang gore ke se akgole, ke bo ke se akgolele Puso e thata gore re tswelele mo seemo se se ntseng jaana, e re kamoso re boloke matshelo a batho ba rona.
Fa re feta foo, re bua gape ka gore kana re bua ka the national priorities tse di tsamaelang le tsa ga His Excellency, gone mo ga gore jaanong re batla go gatela kwa itsholelong e e tsamaisiwang ka dikitso e e kwa godimo, re santse re tlhomame mo go sone, maikaelelo a rona ga a ise a bo a fetoge.

Re a itse gore bangwe fa go buiwa jalo, ba a taboga, ba simolola go botsa dipotsa tsa bo electric car.
Ga re ise re bo re fetogele maikaelelo ao, re ntse re na le one, e tlaa re kgabagare go tswe melaetsa mengwe e e supang gore re gatela kwa kae ka dikgang tse di ntseng jalo.

Jaanong gompieno re setse re supile... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR TSOGWANE: Nnyaa, ke na le nako e khutshwanyane, ke batla go ala dikgang tse di ntsi thata.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke Boko.


MR TSOGWANE: Ee, ke a utlwa, re tlaa kopana, ke tlaa go thusa kwa Dovedale o se ka wa tshwenyega, ke a itse gore ba go gakaletse, mme ke tlaa nna ke go thusa.

Ke ne ke re ke supe jalo Mr Speaker, gore re tlaabo re ntse re tsweletse re tlhomame mo maikaelelong a rona.

Feta ka bokhutshwane Rre Boko, o se ka wa tloga wa ya go ntlhoisa ba ga rona kwa.

Ka bokhutshwanyane fela.

MR BOKO: Point of clarification.

Thank you Vice President (VP).


Ke a leboga fela thata go bo o mphile sebaka se.

Tota ke ne ke batla go botsa yone ya koloi ya motlakase gore, kana lefatshe la rona ka bophara, Batswana ba sale ba e emetse, ba eletsa go ka itse gore ka le sale le buile, e tlaa gogora leng, e tlaa bonala leng?

I think go botlhokwa gore fa gongwe re bue in terms of time frame gore mme re kgoreleditswe ke COVID-19, ga e ka ke ya bonala ngwaga o, gongwe e tlaa bonala in the next two years or three years.
I think that is very important and thank you for giving me this opportunity.

MR TSOGWANE: Ke a leboga.

Potso e maleba, e ntle, ga e na bana ba phefo.

Re tsweletse Rre Boko, ke tsaya ke re kana fa o setse o simolotse mosepele jaanong, tota go a bo go le mo go ba ba dirang go bona gore jaanong ba tsweletse jang ka mosepele.
Fa ke bua jaana, ke letse ke kopane le bangwe batlhatlheledi ba kwa university, ke ne ke kopana le bone fela ke ne ke ile dikgaolong tse dingwe, ke ba botsa gore ba tswa kae, ba re ba tswa Francistown ba ne ba le mo thulaganyong yone e ya koloi ya motlakase go anamisa dikitso le go thusa ba ba nang le maikaelelo a gore ba tle ba re atle mo dikgannyeng tsone tse.

Jaanong ke re nnyaa, e tlaa goroga motho wetsho.


Wena e bile kana botshelo jwa gago bo santse bo le bo telelele mo lefatsheng, o tlaa e bona, ba bangwe gongwe re sa itse.

Jaanong ka go rialo Mr Speaker, ke leboge botlhale jwa go nna le reserves.

Reserves tsa rona jaaka re itse gore di ne tsa amega, di ne tsa re inola thata mo dikgannyeng tsone tsa gompieno tsa letlhoko le le tona la madi.

Di ne tsa ya kwa tlase, mme di ne tsa re thusa.


E bile ga bo go re thusa le go lemoga gore gone fela madi a rona a jewa thata ke go duelela dithoto tse di tswang ka kwa ntle.

Ke sone se re neng re gatelela thata, le gompieno re gatelela jaaka re tswetse melelwane jaana, gore a Batswana ba intshetse dithoto tse ba ka di ntshang.

Bogolo ka kwa ntle go tswe tse e leng gore economy ya rona ga e mo selekanyong sa gore jaanong e ka di kgona.
Fela tse re di kgonang, re di ntshe especially tse di tshwanang dijo jaana.

Jaanong re tswetse, re a itse gore gompieno ka kwa ntle bangwe ba a bua, ba tsosa modumo ka gore ditapole di a tlhaela.

Ee di tshwanetse gore di tlhaele mo nakong e e riling.

Fa re re re batla go ijesa, re raya gone gore re bone gore cycle e ya go jwala dilo, re ka di jwala ka tsela e e ntseng jang, re le bantsi go le kae gore di se ka tsa tlhaela.
Fa re ka re re boela maikaelelo a kwa morago re re nnyaa gatwe ditapole, dipotata di a tlhaela, re tlile go felela re ka sa ya gope.

Batho ba re setseng jaanong re ba hirile gompieno, le bone ba ba setseng ba tsere dithuso tsa go tsosolosa horticulture jaaka re itse gore ke P300, 000 o e leng gore 50 per cent o tlaabo o ituelela, ba ka tloga le bone fela ra bo re ba tsentse mo mathateng.
Re buile le botlhe bagwebi kana balemi ba ba tona ba ditapole, ba supile gore nnyaa, golo mo ke circle fela gompieno, e bile ka re ne re sa ipaakanyetsa sentle, five weeks re tlaabo re boetse mo tsamaisong, mo thulaganyong ya go ntsha sengwe le sengwe ka botlalo.

Ba bo ba supa gape gore fa re le fa jaana, re le kwa Ghanzi, re na le season e re sa kgoneng, mme yone Ghanzi e kgona go ntsha throughout the year ka climate kana seemo sa loapi sa bone.
56 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Mo mafelong a mangwe kwa go mogote thata jaaka kwa bo Chobe ka kwa, ba tlaa nna ba ntsha ka nako e e leng gore ga go mogote.

Bo Tuli Block ba tlaa nna ba ntsha ka dinako tse e leng gore mogote ga o montsi thata.

Jaanong re tlile go felela e le gore gongwe mo ngwageng o o tlang, nnyaa, re tlile go fitlhela re relela fela, ga go na tlhaelo e kalokalo.
Ke dingwe dilo tse ke neng ke batla gore ke di supe ka gore di ama batho ba dikgwebo tse di potlana, jaaka ba the informal sector ba ba rekisang dijonyana fale, ka plastic mo ditafoleng.

Ba a amega.

Ke se re se tlhaloganyang, se re se itseng, mme batho bao ke bone ba re batlang go ba rotloetsa thatathata Tona Mma Serame.

Re batla gore next time fa re bua ka budget, re bo re ka tlhomamisa seabe sa bone gore se a gola, mo GDP bone ba the informal sector.
Ke dingwe dilo tse e leng gore re tshwanetsera tsepamisa matlho mo go tsone.

Re tshwanetse gape ra tsepamisa matlho a rona mo go boneng gore itsholelo ya kwa magaeng, go se ka ga nna le diparologanyo tse di kalokalo, ga nna le these pull factor or push factor e re itseng gore e nna teng gore batho ba tshologele kwa ditoropong ka letlhoko la ditiro le le ntsi kwa dikgaolong.
Jaaka o bona mo go yone the priorities tsa rona, the RESET Agenda, re supile gore re ya go rotloetsa thata the value chain development e eleng gore kana gone koo kwa go ntshiwang the raw materials, dithoto, ditemo, di diragala kwa dikgaolong.
Fa go ka nna le the value chain development, mindset change ya tsena thata mo go bone, ba lemoga gore ba ka ntsha dithoto, ba bo ba di dira gone kwa dikgaolong kwa, ba felela ba ntshitse dithoto tse di tlang kwa toropong, e le tse di feletseng, nnyaa batho ba tlaa ya ka lefatshe le teng, ga se le le tshwenyang thata gore batho ba bo ba re ga re na lefatshe kwa dikgaolong.
Ke rotloetsa thata ka gore sone selelo sa kabo ya lefatshe se ntse se teng, ke dingwe dintlha Mma Serame tse re tshwanetseng gore re di emele ka dinao, re bone gore mo kabong ya madi fa e ntse jaana, seabe sa go dira gore go ya go baakanyetsa lefatshe le sone se ya kwa godimo gore batho ba rona ba kgone go bona masimo, transfers tsa ditsha tsa go tswa mo batsading fa ba tlhokafetse, re di dira ka tsela e ntseng jang gore di kgone go thusa itsholelo ya kwa magaeng.
Ke leboge jaaka bangwe ba ba lebogileng ke se ka ka lebala, gore go rotloetsa jaaka go rotloediwa leruo le le botlana le re le tlhokang thatathata, e bile re le bone mmaraka o botoka kwa mafatsheng a bo Saudi Arabia, re tshwanetse re rotloetse batho ba rona thata.
Ba agriculture ba tlaa tla ba feta ka dikgang tseo ka nako ya go bega dikgang gore ba tsamaya fa kae, le gone gore thotloetso e re e bonang mo go Tautona e tonatona e ya gore batho ba kgone gore ba rue, diphoko di nne teng le diphelefu go tlhabolola leruo la bone, ke selo se se botlhokwatlhokwa thata.

Gape ke supe jaana, re tshwantshanye dilo le mafatshe a mangwe, kana re bapile le lefatshe le bidiwa Namibia, le re sa kgaoganeng thatathata ka itsholelo le lone.
Re tshwanetse go tsaya malebela, re itse gore batho bao ba a rua kwa ba leng teng.

Leruo la bone le a ata fela ka dipalo tse di seng kana ka sepe, dipodi o fitlhela e le tse di seng kana ka sepe.

Ke tsaya gore Motsamai o tlaa supa ka gore ke motho yo a tshelang a ba etela ba ga bone ka kwa.
Jaanong ke re gone moo bagaetsho, re tshwanetse re itse gore batho bale ga ba na dikgang tse gotweng ba tshwenngwa ke diphologolonyana tse di senyang ka gore it is clear gore bo phiri, bo phokojwe ga ba a tshwanela go tsena kwa mafelong a thuo.

Go na le mo go ka tweng gongwe re ka re elimination of predators, so le rona go tshwanetse gore barui ba rona ba tswe mo go reng nnyaa, ke tlaa tlogela leruo la me fela ke bo ke re fa le jelwe, ke tlaa ya go batla madi kwa Wildlife.
Nnyaa, leruo gompieno ke madi a mantsi, ga re a tshwanela go rotloetsa moo.

A re direng ditsamaiso tse e leng gore disinyi kana diphologotswana tse, di tswe mo mafelong a go ruelwang mo teng, barui ba nne le dithata tse di tletseng, tse di feletseng tsa gore ba itwantshetse dibatananyana tse and eliminate them mo mafelong a go ruelwang leruo la rona le le potlana, gore leruo la batho le tle le kgone go atlega.
Le dikotlhao tsa bogodu jwa leruo le ditsheko tsa teng jaaka ba ntse ba bua, re bone gore re di gagamatsa jang, di sekiwa kwa mafelong a Dikgotla tsa Setswana.

Ke ise ke wele Mr Speaker, ke bue ka kgaolo.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation.


Ke bua jaana ka gore ke okametse Rural Development Council (RDC) e e leng gore tota e ikaegile ka gone go bona gore kwa dikgaolong ka kwa itsholelo e a tokafadiwa, batho ba rona ba kgona gore ba itshetse, ba tlhabolole matshelo a bone, ba kgone gore ba rue ba phuthologile, mme e bile ba tle ba ntse dithoto tse di feletseng.

MR TSOGWANE: Ema pele ke bue Motsamai ka kgaolo, kana o batla go ntebatsa.

Kgaolo ya me le nna ke le Mopalamente, e na le matlhoko.
E na le matlhoko a mantsi, mme fela se ke batlang go se bua, pele ke gatelele kgang ya to monitor projects.

Re na le project e gompieno e ka bo e fela, mme e ya go senya madi ka gore gompieno e ne ya senngwa ke batho ka go sa 57 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) tlhokomela projects gongwe ga dikhansele, ya mabala a metshameko, ya youth, e e neng ya nna vandalised fela e ne e tshwanetse gore e fele.
E bile re solofela metsi.

Metsi mo dikgaolong tsa rona a botlhokwa.

Ke leboge gore metsi a neetswe lefatshe lotlhe ka kwa south ka fa, le rona mme re solofetse metsi.

Yes, ke tlaa bua jaaka Lelatisitswe maloba a ne a bua gore metsi a sennelaruri a matamo, le one re nna le tsholofelo ya gore mo nakong e e tlang, ka metsi a a kwa tlase ga lefatshe, le one a a fela fa gongwe, re nne le seemo se se tshwanang le seo.

MR SPEAKER: Order!
MR SPEAKER: Order!

Your Honour, it is now six o’clock, may I request you to move a Motion of adjournment.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... MOTION ADJOURNMENT LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Nnyaa, mme I am moving.

I am moving against my wish gore re tle re ye kwa bokhutlong, ke ne ke eleditse gore ke ka bo ke tlogetswe ka fetsa pele.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Question put and agreed to.


The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 6:01 p.m. until Wednesday 23rd February, 2022 at 2:00 p.m. 58 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
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