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11 Wednesday 10th November, 1965 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) OFFICIAL REPORT CONTENTS ADMINISTRATION OF OATHS [Col. 1909] ANNOUNCEMENTS BY Mr SPEAKER: Welcoming New Members [Col. 1909] Resignation of members [Col. 1910] Messages from the Senate [Col. 1910] Assent to Bills Passed [Col. 1913] Leave to the honourable Tuan Haji Abdul The Customs (Import and Export) Duties (No.

6) Order, 1965 [Col. 1994] The Customs Ordinance (Cap.
26) of Sarawak— The Customs (Import and Export) Duties (Amendment) (No.

2) Order, 1965 [Col. 1980] The Customs Ordinance (Cap.

33) of Sabah— The Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) The Customs Ordinance (Cap.

26) of Sarawak— Khalid bin Awang Osman [Col. 1914] ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 1915] BILLS PRESENTED [Col. 19471 PERMISSION FOR MEMBER FOR TANJONG TO INTRODUCE THE CONSTITUTION AND MALAYSIA (AMENDMENT) BILL (Motion) [Col 1950] The Customs Ordinance (Cap.
26) of Sarawak— (No.7) SITTING OF THE HOUSE (Motion) [Col. 1967] BILLS: The Treasury Bills (Local) Ordinance, 1946— Payment of moneys from Treasury Bills into The Majlis Amanah Ra'ayat Bill [Col. 1968] The Insurance (Amendment) Bill [Col. 1969] The Mui Tsai (Repeal) Bill [Col. 1974] MOTIONS: Duties [Col. 1976] The Customs Ordinance, 1952—The Customs (No.

5) Order, 1965 (Amendment) The (Amendment) (No.

3) Order, 1965 [Col. 1996] The Customs Ordinance, 1952—The Customs (No.
8) Order, 1965 Duties (Amendment) [Col. 1998] The Customs Ordinance (Cap.

33) of Sabah— The Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) Order, 1965 [Col. 1998] The Customs (Import and Export) Duties (Amendment) (No.

4) Order, 1965 [Col. 1999] the Development Fund [Col. 2000] The Income Tax Ordinance— Exemption from Income Tax of the monthly [Col. allowances of State Assemblymen 2001] Development (Supplementary) (No.

2) Estimates, 1965 [Col. 2005] The Customs Ordinance (Cap.
33) of Sabah— Committee: The Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) No.

4) Order, 1965 [Col. 1977] Heads 103 and 104 [Col. 2016] Heads 106 and 107 [Col. 2025] The Customs Ordinance, 1952—The Customs Heads 112 and 201 [Col. 2026] Duties [Col. 1978] (Amendment) (No.

7) Order, 1965 The Customs Ordinance (Cap.

33) of Sabah— (Amendment) The Customs Duties (Sabah) (No.
5) Order, 1965 [Col. 1979] WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 2041] ORDER OF BUSINESS (Motion) [Col. 2005] DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, A.M.N., PENCHETAK KERAJAAN KUALA LUMPUR 1966 MALAYSIA DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) Official Report Second Session of the Second Dewan Ra'ayat Wednesday, 10th November, 1965 The House met at Ten o'clock a.m.

PRESENT: The Honourable Mr Speaker, DATO' CHIK MOHAMED YUSUF BIN SHEIKH ABDUL RAHMAN, S.P.M.P., J.P., Dato' Bendahara, Perak.
the Prime Minister, Minister of External Affairs and Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, Y.T.M.

TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M.

(Kuala Kedah).

the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence, Minister of National and Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N.

(Pekan).

the Minister of Home Affairs and Minister of Justice, DATO' DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N.

(Johor Timor).

the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' TAN SIEW SIN, J.P. (Melaka Tengah).
the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, DATO' V. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N.

(Sungei Siput).

the Minister of Transport, DATO' HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N.

(Pontian Utara).

the Minister of Health, ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah).

the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan).

the Minister for Welfare Services, CAPT.

HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT A LI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang).
the Minister for Local Government and Housing, ENCHE' KHAW KAI-BOH, P.J.K.

(Ulu Selangor).

the Minister for Sarawak Affairs, DATO' TEMENGGONG JUGAH ANAK BARIENG, P.M.N., P.D.K.

(Sarawak).

the Minister of Information and Broadcasting, ENCHE' SENU BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Kubang Pasu Barat).

the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, TUAN HAJI MOHD.

GHAZALI BIN HAJI JAWI (Ulu Perak).

the Minister of Lands and Mines, ENCHE' ABDUL-RAHMAN BIN YA'KUB (Sarawak).
the Assistant Minister of National and Rural Development, ENCHE' SULAIMAN BIN BULON (Bagan Datoh).

1903 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1904 The Honourable the Assistant Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ABDUL KADIR, J.M.N., S.M.T., P.J.K.

(Trengganu Tengah).

the Assistant Minister of Education, ENCHE' L EE SIOK Y E W, A.M.N., PJ.K.

(Sepang).

the Assistant Minister of Finance, DR NG KAM POH, J.P. (Telok Anson).
the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health, ENCHE' IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Labour, ENCHE' LEE SAN CHOON, K.M.N.

(Segamat Selatan).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' A LI BIN HAJI AHMAD (Pontian Selatan).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Deputy Prime Minister, ENCHE' CHEN WING SUM (Damansara).

ENCHE' ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N.

(Melaka Utara).

ENCHE' ABDUL KARIM BIN ABU, A.M.N.


(Melaka Selatan).

WAN ABDUL KADIR BIN ISMAIL, P.P.T.

(Kuala Trengganu Utara).

WAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN DATU TUANKU BUJANG (Sarawak).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSSIN (Lipis).

ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN G UL AHMAD MIANJI (Pasir Mas Hulu).

DATO' ABDULLAH BIN ABDULRAHMAN, Dato' Bijaya di-Raja (Kuala Trengganu Selatan).

TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD.

SALLEH, A.M.N., S.MJ., P.I.S.

(Segamat Utara).

ENCHE' A BU BAKAR BIN HAMZAH (Bachok).


TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kelantan Hilir).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N.

(Muar Utara).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAAID, J.P. (Seberang Utara).

CHE' AJIBAH BINTI ABOL (Sarawak).

O.K.K.

DATU ALIUDDIN BIN DATU HARUN, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

DR AWANG BIN HASSAN, S.MJ.

(Muar Selatan).

ENCHE' AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam).

ENCHE' JONATHAN BANGAU ANAK RENANG, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

PENGARAH BANYANG ANAK JANTING, P.B.S.

(Sarawak).

ENCHE' CHAN SEONG YOON (Setapak).


ENCHE' CHAN SIANG SUN (Bentong).

ENCHE' CHIA CHIN SHIN, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

ENCHE' FRANCIS CHIA NYUK TONG (Sabah).

ENCHE' CHIN FOON (Ulu Kinta).

ENCHE' D. A. DAGO ANAK RANDAN alias DAGOK ANAK RANDEN (Sarawak).

ENCHE' EDWIN ANAK TANGKUN (Sarawak).

TUAN SYED E SA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.MJ., P.I.S.

(Batu Pahat Dalam).

DATIN HAJJAH FATIMAH BINTI HAJI ABDUL MAJID (Johor Bahru Timor).
1905 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1906 The Honourable DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N.

(Jitra-Padang Terap).

ENCHE' GANING BIN JANGKAT (Sabah).

ENCHE' GEH CHONG KEAT, K.M.N.

(Penang Utara).

TUAN HAJI HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N., P J .

K. (Kapar).

ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD.

YUNUS, A.M.N., J.P. (Kulim Utara).

ENCHE' HANAFIAH BIN HUSSAIN, A.M.N.

(Jerai).

ENCHE' HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Baling).

WAN HASSAN BIN WAN DAUD (Tumpat).

ENCHE' STANLEY HO NGUN KHIU, A.D.K.

(Sabah).


ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN T O' MUDA HASSAN, A.M.N.

(Raub).

DATO' HAJI HUSSEIN BIN MOHD.

NOORDIN, D.P.M.P., A.M.N., PJ.K.

(Parit).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN SULAIMAN (Ulu Kelantan).

TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN (Kota Bharu Hulu).

ENCHE' IKHWAN ZAINI (Sarawak).

ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan).

DATO' SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, P.M.N.

(Johor Tenggara).

PENGHULU JINGGUT ANAK ATTAN, Q.M.C., A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

ENCHE' KADAM ANAK KIAI (Sarawak).


ENCHE' THOMAS KANA (Sarawak).

ENCHE' KHOO PENG LOONG (Sarawak).

DATU KHOO SIAK CHIEW, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' LEE SECK FUN (Tanjong Malim).

ENCHE' AMADEUS MATHEW LEONG, A.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).

DATO' LING BENG SIEW, P.N.B.S.

(Sarawak).

DR LIM CHONG EU (Tanjong).

ENCHE' L IM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat).

ENCHE' LIM PEE HUNG, PJ.K.

(Alor Star).

ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson).

ENCHE' JOSEPH DAVID MANJAJI (Sabah).


DATO' DR HAJI MEGAT KHAS, D.P.M.P., J.P., P J .

K. (Kuala Kangsar).

ENCHE' MOHD.

ARIF SALLEH, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

DATO' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA, P.M.K.

(Pasir Puteh).

ENCHE' MOHD.

DAUD BIN ABDUL SAMAD (Besut).

ENCHE' MOHAMED IDRIS BIN MATSIL, J.M.N., PJ.K., J.P. (Jelebu-Jempol).

ENCHE' MOHD.

TAHIR BIN ABDUL MAJID, S.M.S., P J .

K. (Kuala Langat).

ENCHE' MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N.

(Temerloh).

WAN MOKHTAR BIN AHMAD (Kemaman).


TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan).

ENCHE' MUHAMMAD FAKHRUDDIN BIN HAJI ABDULLAH (Pasir Mas Hilir).

TUAN HAJI MUHAMMAD SU'AUT BIN HAJI MUHD.

TAHIR, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

1907 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1908 The Honourable DATO' HAJI MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI ABDUL JABAR, D.P.M.S., A.M.N., J.P. (Sabak Bernam).

ENCHE' MUSTAPHA BIN AHMAD (Tanah Merah).

DATO' N IK AHMAD KAMIL, D.K., S.P.M.K., S.J.M.K., P.M.N., P.Y.G.P., Dato' Sri Setia Raja (Kota Bharu Hilir).
ENCHE' NG FAH YAM (Batu Gajah).

ENCHE' ONG K EE H UI (Sarawak).

TUAN HAJI OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Hilir Perak).

ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Perlis Utara).

TUAN HAJI RAHMAT BIN HAJI DAUD, A.M.N.

(Johor Bahru Barat).

ENCHE' RAMLI BIN OMAR (Krian Darat).

TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD.

SAID, P.J.K., J.P. (Rembau-Tampin).

RAJA ROME BIN RAJA MA'AMOR, P.J.K., J.P. (Kuala Selangor).

ENCHE' SEAH TENG NGIAB, P.I.S.

(Muar Pantai).

ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh).

ENCHE' SIM BOON LIANG (Sarawak).


ENCHE' SNAWI BIN ISMAIL, PJ.K.

(Seberang Selatan).

ENCHE' SNG CHIN JOO (Sarawak).

ENCHE' SOH AH TECK (Batu Pahat).

ENCHE' SULEIMAN BIN A LI (Dungun) PENGIRAN TAHIR PETRA (Sabah).

ENCHE' TAJUDDIN BIN A L I, P.J.K.

(Larut Utara).

ENCHE' TAI KUAN YANG (Kulim Bandar Bharu).

ENCHE' TAMA WENG TINGGANG WAN (Sarawak).

DR TAN CHEE KHOON (Batu).

ENCHE' TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan).

ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka).

ENCHE' TAN TOH HONG (Bukit Bintang).


ENCHE' TAN TSAK YU (Sarawak).

ENCHE' TIAH ENG BEE (Kluang Utara).

ENCHE' T OH THEAM HOCK (Kampar).

ENCHE' YEOH TAT BENG (Bruas).

ENCHE' STEPHEN YONG KUET TZE (Sarawak).

TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD.

TAIB, P.J.K.

(Langat).

ABSENT: The Honourable the Minister of Education, ENCHE' MOHAMED KHIR JOHARI (Kedah Tengah).

the Minister of Labour, ENCHE' V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P J .

K. (Klang).
K. (Klang).

the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB, P.J.K.

(Kuantan).

TUAN HAJI ABDUL RASHID BIN HAJI JAIS (Sabah).

1909 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1910 The Honourable ENCHE' ABDUL RAUF BIN A. RAHMAN, K.M.N., P.J.K.

(Krian Laut).

Y.A.M.

TUNKU ABDULLAH IBNI AL-MARHUM TUANKU ABDUL RAHMAN, P.P.T.

(Rawang).

ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N.

(Kluang Selatan).

ENCHE' c. v. DEVAN NAIR (Bungsar).


ENCHE' s. FAZUL RAHMAN, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

DATU GANIE GILONG, P.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).

ENCHE' KAM WOON WAH, J.P. (Sitiawan).

ENCHE' EDMUND LANGGU ANAK SAGA (Sarawak).

ENCHE' PETER Lo Su YIN (Sabah).

DR MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMAD (Kota Star Selatan).

ORANG TUA MOHAMMAD DARA BIN LANGPAD (Sabah).

ENCHE' MOHD.

ZAHIR BIN HAJJ ISMAIL, J.M.N.

(Sungai Patani).

ENCHE' QuEK KAI DoNG, J.P. (Seremban Timor).

ENCHE' SANDOM ANAK NYUAK (Sarawak).


DATO' s. P. SEENIVASAGAM, D.P.M.P., P.M.P., J.P. (Menglembu).

ENCHE' Smw LooNG HIN, P.J.K.

(Seremban Barat).

ENCHE' YEH PAO TzE (Sabah).

PRAYERS (Mr Speaker in the Chair) ADMINISTRATION OF OATHS following Members The took and subscribed the Oaths, or made and subscribed the Affirmation required by law: Enche' D. A. Dago anak Randan alias Dagok anak Randan.

Enche' Thomas Kana.
Enche' Thomas Kana.

ANNOUNCEMENTS BY MR SPEAKER WELCOMING NEW MEMBERS Mr Speaker: I would like to take this opportunity of welcoming the two new Members, the Honourable Enche' D. A. Dago and the Honourable Enche' Thomas Kana to this House.
They were elected by the Council Negri Sarawak to take the places of the Honourable Dato' Abang Othman bin Abang Haji Moasili and the Honour- able Penghulu Francis Umpau anak Empam, who have resigned from this House upon assuming office as Minis ters in the Sarawak State Government.
RESIGNATION OF MEMBERS Mr Speaker: The Honourable Dato' Abang Othman bin Abang Haji Moasili and the Honourable Penghulu Francis Umpau anak Empam resigned from this House with effect from 24th September, 1965 and 1st October, 1965, respectively.

I have also to inform that Dato' Donald Aloysius Stephens, Member from Sabah, resigned from the House with effect from 2nd November, 1965.
MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE Mr Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Berhormat saya hendak mema'alumkan ia-itu saya telah menerima dua perutusan yang bertarikh 9hb dan 16hb Ogos, 1965, daripada Yang di-Pertua Dewan Negara berkenaan dengan perkara2 yang ter tentu yang · telah di-hantar oleh Majlis ini meminta di-persetujukan oleh Dewan Negara.

Sekarang saya meminta Setia usaha Majlis supaya membachakan perutusan itu kapada Majlis ini.
10 NOVEMBER 1965 1912 1911 (The Clerk Messages): reads the following "Mr Speaker, Sir, The Senate has agreed to the follow ing Bills: 1. to repeal certain Enactments of the State of Johore relating to matters on the Federal List; 2. to repeal certain Enactments of the State of Kedah relating to matters on the Federal List; 3. to repeal certain Enactments of the State of Kelantan relating to matters on the Federal List; 4. to repeal certain laws of the State of Perak relating to matters on the Federal List; 5. to repeal certain Enactments of the State of Perlis relating to matters on the Federal List; 6. to repeal an Enactment of the State of Selangor relating to a matter on the Federal List; 7. to repeal certain laws of the State of Sabah relating to matters on the Federal List; 8. to repeal certain laws on matters on the Federal List enacted by the legislature of the former Federated Malay States; 9. to repeal certain Ordinances of the former Straits Settlements; 10. to provide for the Repeal of Pro clamations of the British Military Administration in force in Malay sia relating to matters on the Federal List; 11. to repeal certain laws on matters on the Federal List enacted by the legislature of the former Malayan Union; 12. to repeal certain Ordinances of the Federation of Malaya; 13. to repeal certain Acts of Parlia ment which have had their effect; 14. to repeal certain laws on Financial and connected Matters which have become spent or redundant; 15. to make certain general provisions in relation to the Statute Law Revision of Federal Laws and to repeal certain obsolete existing legislation on that subject; 16. to amend the Reprint of Federal Laws Act, 1965; 17. to make provision for the payment into the of unclaimed moneys Federal Consolidated Fund; 18. to further amend the laws relating to income tax of Sabah, Sarawak and the States of Malaya; 19. to amend the laws relating to estate duty of Sabah and the States of Malaya; 20. to apply a sum out of the Cons~li­ dated Fund to the service of the year ending
 on the thirty-first day of December, 1966; 21. to enable the Government of the Federation to carry out housing schemes; 22. to amend the National Land Code (Penang and Malacca Titles) Act, 1963; therewith and 23. to amend and consolidate the laws relating to land and land tenure, the registration of title to land and of dealings the collection of revenue therefrom within the States of Johore, Kedah, Kelantan, Malacca, Negri Sem bilan, Pahang, Penang, Perak, Perlis, Selangor and Trengganu, and for purposes connected there with; 24. to repeal certain laws relating to aliens and to make provision regarding the obligation of keepers of residential accommodation in respect of the registration of their guests and for matters connected therewith and ancillary thereto; 25. to make further provision with respect to the law relating to trade unions; 26. to amend the Industrial Courts Ordinance, 1948; 27. to amend the Social and Welfare Services Lotteries Board Ordin ance, 1950, and the Social and Welfare Services Lotteries Board Act, 1962; 28. to make better provision for the Penang and Province Wellesley Silver Jubilee Fund; 29. to amend the Rubber Industry (Replanting) Fund Ordinance, 1952; 1913 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1914 30. to consolidate and amend law relating to companies; the 31. to amend the Electricity Ordin ance, 1949; 32. to amend the Muslim Pilgrims Ordinance, 1951; 33. to further amend the Malaysia Act, without amendment.
16th August, 1965.

(Sgd.)

DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, President" "Mr Speaker, Sir, The Senate has agreed to the Bill to the Constitution of Malaysia amend and the Malaysia Act.

9th August, 1965.

(Sgd.)

DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, President" ASSENT TO BILLS PASSED Mr Speaker: Honourable Members, I wish to inform the House that His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong the following Bills has assented which were passed recently by both Houses of Parliament: to The Malaysia Act (Amendment) Bill, 1965.
The National Land Code (Penang and Malacca Titles) (Amendment) Bill, 1965.

The National Land Code Bill, 1965.

The Federal Statute Law Revision (Johore) Bill, 1965.

The Federal Statute Law Revision (Kedah) Bill, 1965.

The Federal Statute Law Revision (Kelantan) Bill, 1965.

The Federal Statute Law Revision (Perak) Bill, 1965.

The Federal Statute Law Revision (Perlis) Bill, 1965.

The Federal Statute Law Revision (Selangor) Bill, 1965.

The Federal Statute Law Revision (Sabah) Bill, 1965.
The Federal Statute Law Revision (Former Federated Malay States) Bill, 1965. of Federal Laws The Federal Statute Law Revision (Former Straits Settlements) Bill, 1965.

The Federal Statute Law Revision (British Military Proclamations) Bill, 1965.

The Federal Statute Law Revision (Former Malayan Union) Bill, 1965.

The Federal Statute Law Revision (Former Federation of Malaya Ordi nances) Bill, 1965.

The Federal Statute Law Revision (Acts of Parliament) Bill, 1965.
The Federal Statute Law Revision (States of (Financial Legislation) Malaya) Bill, 1965.

The Federal Statute Law Revision (General Provision) Bill, 1965.

The Reprint (Amendment) Bill, 1965.

The Registration of Guests Bill, 1965.

The Unclaimed Moneys Bill, 1965.

The Income Tax Laws (Malaysia) (Amendment) Bill, 1965.

The Estate Duty Laws of Sabah and the States of Malaya (Amendment) Bill, 1965.

The Penang and Province Wellesley Jubilee Fund Bill, 1965.

The Federal Housing Bill, 1965.


The Companies Bill, 1965.

The Consolidated Fund (Expenditure on Account) Bill, 1965.

The Trade Unions Bill, 1965.

The Industrial Courts (Amendment) Bill, 1965.

The Muslim Pilgrims (Amendment) Bill, 1965.

The Social and Welfare Services Lotteries Board (Amendment) Bill, 1965.

The Rubber Industry Fund (Amendment) Bill, 1965.

The Electricity (Amendment) (No.

2) Bill, 1965.


(Replanting) LEAVE TO THE HONOURABLE TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN Mr Speaker: Honourable Members, I wish in exercise of the powers conferred upon me by the Resolution of the House of the 25th April, 1961, I have given the House inform that to 1915 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1916 leave of absence under Article 52 of the Constitution the Honourable to Tuan Haji Abdul Khalid bin Awang Osman for two years.
ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS RANCHANGAN MENDIRIKAN KELINIK2 DI-LUAR BANDAR DI-SARAWAK 1.

Che' Ajibah binti Abol bertanya kapada Menteri Kesihatan bila-kah agak-nya ranchangan mendirikan keli- nik2 di-luar bandar akan di-laksanakan di-bawah Ranchangan Pembangunan Luar Bandar di-Sarawak.

Menteri Kesihatan (Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ranchangan mendirikan kelinik2 di-luar Bandar di-dalam Negeri Sarawak telah pun di-jalankan.
Dalam tahun 1965 ini dua buah rumah sakit kechil baharu di-kawasan Luar Bandar ia-itu di- Lundu dalam Bahagian Pertama dan di-Marudi dalam Bahagian ka-Empat telah pun siap dan sedang di-gunakan.

Pusat2 Perubatan telah juga di-dirikan di-Pantu dan di-Sekerang di-dalam Bahagian ka-Dua, di-Long Linau di- dalam Bahagian yang ka-Tiga, di-Tatau di-dalam Bahagian yang ka-Empat dan di-Nanga Medamit dalam Bahagian yang ka-Lima.
Kerja2 telah di-mulakan bagi mendirikan Pusat Perubatan di- Bario di-dalam Bahagian ka-Empat, di-Roban di-dalam Bahagian yang ka- Dua, di-Pulau Beruit di-dalam Bahagian yang ka-Tiga dan Long Lama dan di-Batuniah di-dalam Bahagian ka- Empat.

Ranchangan telah juga di-sedia- kan bagi mendirikan rumah sakit kechil yang ketiga di-Bintulu di-dalam Baha gian yang ka-Empat, dan di-anggarkan pekerjaan akan di-mulakan tidak berapa lama lagi.
Sa-lain daripada itu kereta ubat ada-lah mula'i bertugas di-dalam kawasan2 Sarikei dan Searian.

Enche' Stephen Yong Kuet Tze (Sarawak): Will the Minister inform this House whether on the setting up of these rural clinics that trained personnel are being employed to look after these clinics?

Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: Yes, trained personnel are being employed.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu): Is the Minister aware that, although he has given his assurance that trained person nel are being made available in Sarawak, there are no trained personnel in many of the rural centres in the States of Malaya?

If so, what does he intend the deficiency at home first?

take care of to do to Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I am quite aware of that.

The Minister of Lands and Mines (Enche9 Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub): But Sarawak is also our home, Mr Speaker, Sir—Malaysia.
{Laughter).

the Is Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Honourable Minister aware that the Dresser up at Penang Hill is not only unqualified but is overaged, and he has not yet been replaced?

Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: It I do not know.

may be so, but (Laughter).

MEMBERI SENJATA KAPADA AHLI PASOKAN PERTAHANAN 'AWAM 2.
Che' Ajibah binti Abol bertanya kapada Menteri Kerajaan Tempatan dan Perumahan ada-kah di-fikir perlu dalam keadaan sekarang ini memper- senjatai Pertahanan 'Awam dan seterus-nya melateh mereka menggunakan senjata2.

ahli2 Pasokan The Minister for Local Government and Housing (Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-lah di-dapati bahawa tidak-lah mustahak bagi Kera jaan membekalkan senjata kapada ahli2 Pasokan Pertahanan 'Awam dan juga melateh mereka itu chara2 mengguna- kan-nya.
Pasokan Pertahanan 'Awam bukan-lah satu pasokan pejuang sa- bagaimana yang di-ta'arifkan dalam Undang2 Pertahanan 'Awam tahun 1951 yang berbunyi demikian: "Sa-barang langkah tidak akan membawa kapada maksud perjuangan sa-kira-nya di-laku- kan untok pertahanan daripada sera- ngan2 musoh atau menjauhkan daripada serangan musoh pada keselurohan atau pun sa-bahagian daripada-nya sama telah di-ambil sa- itu ada belum, di-waktu atau pun sa-lepas serangan itu berlaku".
langkah2 1917 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1918 CLERK AND POSTMAN FOR DALAT POST OFFICE, SARAWAK 3.

Enche' Sim Boon Liang (Sarawak) asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications if he is aware that there is a need for a Post Office Clerk and a Postman for Dalat District (Sarawak) to serve the population of 16,000; if so, whether he proposes to recruit the staff as early as possible.
The Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications (Dtao' V. T. Sam- banthan): Mr Speaker, Sir, at the Dalat Post Office, the Sarawak Administrative the Officer acts as the Post-master, Administrative Clerk does the postal work, and the court peons perform the duties of postman in addition to their normal duties.
This the general arrangement under which the Adminis tration co-operates and assists the Postal Department at a number of small stations in Sarawak where the limited amount of postal business transacted at present does not warrant the appointment of a full-time depart mental staff.

is The value of stamps sold at Dalat during the past three years has been falling and was $4,182 in 1962, $2,469 in 1963 and $2,410 in 1964.
The volume of postal business per formed at all such offices is constantly reviewed and, where necessary, depart mental staff are appointed, as has been done in the case of Bau and Serian in the First Division of Sarawak.
Enche9 Sim Boon Liang: Is the Minister aware that especially impor tant letters from the Inland Revenue— the Income Tax forms and the demand notes sent by the Inland Revenue Department to the Income Tax payers —always expired without postmen deli vering them, and the income tax payers may have to be prosecuted by Govern ment if the date expired?

Will the Minister consider about this matter?

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: I will look into it.


EMPLOYMENT OF Mr J. GLATZ IN THE TEACHING HOSPITAL, UNIVERSITY OF MALAYA 4.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecom munications if he is aware that one Mr J. Glatz, an expatriate, is employed as the a site Electrical Engineer at Teaching Hospital, University of Malaya at a salary of $1,770 per that mensem from May, 1965, and Mr J. Glatz does not possess the full required qualification engineers of employed by the Central Electricity Board.

If so, what steps he proposes to take regarding the employment of Mr J. Glatz.
Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: Mr Speaker, Sir, the employment of Mr J. Glatz as a site Electrical Engineer is not the responsibility of my Ministry.

It is a matter for the Medical Centre Development Committee and all deci sions lie with that Committee.
I under stand that the Medical Centre Develop ment Committee the appointment of Mr J. Glatz, in view of the urgent need the Teaching Hospital in time and in view of the fact that Mr J. Glatz has con siderable experience, even though his qualifications are not such as required by the National Electricity Board.

The salary offered the Medical Centre Development Com mittee as commensurate with his quali fications and experience.
is considered by to complete agreed to rests with The responsibility for proper super vision the Consulting Engineers, and they assured the Medical Centre Development Committee of his experience and competence.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Tuan Yang di- tambahan: Ada-kah Pertua, soalan Dato' Menteri sedar di-antara sharat2 yang Sharikat Thomas & Anderson and Partners ia-lah satu sharat ia-itu orang yang ini mesti ada memegang Degree Ka-juruteraan.
di-kehendaki jawatan oleh Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: I am afraid that the Honourable Member is mis guiding himself.

To go back to the history of the particular enterprise—he, as a Member of University, has, I understand, tried to raise this matter at the University itself, and somehow or other not being satisfied with it, he said that he would ask a question in the other House.

So he had asked the same question here.


The Medical Centre 1919 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1920 Development Committee is advised by a Technical Committee in which the Principal of the Engineering College is also a member.

Does the Honourable Member assume that he is questioning the ability of the Principal of Engineer ing College the Medical to advise Centre Advisory Committee?
He would understand that among other things, in a job like this, it is not enough, if you have qualified engineers to supervise— they must have experience.

The Medical Centre Technical Committee which advised the Development Committee were assured and were happy that this man had the competence based upon his experience.

As to Mr Glatz, he comes from a Western European coun try—I think it is Austria.

In any case, if he has a Ph.D. we would not recog nise it.
This is the way that many nations behave; it is a common pro cedure.

Even in the United States, I understand that between State and State they do not recognise each other's degree—but that does not mean that the other man does not have merit.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Perhaps, my Malay was very atrocious and did not enlighten the Minister on my question.
The question that I posed was, is not the Minister aware that among the con ditions for employment for this job that was laid down by Messrs Anderson & Partners themselves were that the person holding this job must have an engineering degree—and the Minister has been saying something about Ph.D. in America.
Is the Minister aware that in an advertisement in the Straits Times of 14th October, 1965, there is this notice, "Position wanted Bachelor of Electrical Engineering degree; Graduate—passed First Class; Indian, Federal Citizen.

Reply to Box A2497"?

Mr Speaker, Sir, is it not the policy of the Government local citizens should take preference over expatriates in any job in this country?
Also Mr Speaker, Sir, I am aware of the circum stances regarding the appointment of Mr Glatz—incidentally, Mr Speaker, Sir, for the information of Minister for Works, Posts and Telecoms, there is no College of Engineering but there is a Faculty of Engineering.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I will read for the benefit of the that Minister concerned this relevant pas sage, and I do not know whether the Minister has been briefed by his repre sentative on the Medical Development Centre.
It says, "The Committee noted that Mr Glatz did not possess qualifica tions normally required of engineers employed by the C.E.B.".

Is the Minis ter aware that it was on the instructions of the representative of the N.E.B.

that the University was compelled to take this "engineer".

It was virtually a gun pointed at the Head of the University.

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: Coming down to this fundamental assumption that the N.E.B.
has no right to decide, the Technical Committee has not got the ability to decide, so the Honourable Member for Batu can decide, I am surprised at this, because he runs against the current of everything conceivable.

You have a Medical Training Centre which has got to be put up as quickly as possible.

You have consulting engineers who have been appointed, and they are men supposed to advise them and super vise this particular job.
The Medical Centre Advisory Committee considers the application; they find that according to rules of the Government this man does not have qualifications of an engineer to be employed in this country.

Let us not assume that every engineer who cannot be employed in this country is not an engineer.

In that case there will be no engineers all over the world.

That is a fact that we have got to recog nise.

In considering this question the Technical Committee and the N.E.B.
realise the experience of Mr Glatz.

In a work like this you cannot put in an engineer who qualified yesterday to supervise—he does not know his job.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Do I take it that the Minister who is in charge of this heap of engineers is postulating that experience matters, that qualification does not matter?
Mr Speaker, Sir, on another matter, what I wish to ask is this—and he has not replied to it: here is a local man who wants a job; he cannot get a job; he is a First Class graduate of Bachelor of Engineering; and yet for the benefit of the Minister for Works, there is this 1921 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1922 advertisement—it is on the 14th Octo ber, 1965.

Perhaps, he will look into these things more carefully.
All I want to find out is, is it the policy of the Government to deprive local citizens of jobs in favour of the expatriates?

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: May I ask the Honourable Member when was this thing gone through?

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, it was some time in July.

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: Am I to assume that this Committee who met in July would know that on October 14th an advertisement would appear in the Straits Times that an engineer would be out of job and wanted a job?

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: That is begging the question, because at that time I do know there were a lot of engineers with a degree in engineering wanting jobs.

Perhaps, the Minister for Works, the Posts and Telecommunications, N.E.B.

not being in his portfolio, is not aware of it.

Perhaps, he is not the person to answer this question.
Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah (Bachok): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada satu masa yang lalu, Yang Berhormat Menteri Kewangan kita telah memberi jaminan bahawa pegawai2 yang mem- punyai kelayakan, orang itu menjadi warga negara kita, dia akan di-utama- kan terutama berkenaan dengan Juru Odit.
Jadi, dapat-kah Menteri kita— Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos dan Tali- kom—memberi jaminan di-Rumah ini bahawa di-dalam Kementerian beliau sendiri—yang kekuasaan- nya sendiri—tidak berlaku pengambi- lan pegawai2 yang bukan daripada warga negara negeri ini.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bertanya ini tidak-lah hendak jawapan rengkas sa-bagaimana "ya" atau "tidak" kapada pertanyaan itu, oleh kerana beberapa orang ada mengadu dengan surat dan saya tidak- itu sa-bagai lah memandang benda "conceivable" tetapi saya minta jami nan bahawa berlaku-kah tidak dalam Kementerian beliau itu sendiri?

di-bawah Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: I wish to give assurance that we do give prefer ence in all cases to citizens.

That is why we have been able to Malayanise the P.W.D.
and various other depart ments.

Dr Lim Chong Eu (Tanjong): Arising out of the answers which the Honour able Minister gave in reply to questions that were put to him, if I remember the words correctly, the Honourable Minister did say that because the job had to be finished, or the project had to be finished, "as quickly as possible", therefore, they had to employ person nel without the necessary qualifications.
Sir, are we to take it that this is a policy of the Ministry—that if any job or project had to be finished as quickly as possible, or such a label were to be given to such project, then the Ministry would employ unqualified personnel?

the responsibility Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: I think the order was all wrong.

The Consulting Engineers have to the Medical Centre Advisory Commit tee for the supervision of this particular job, and to appoint they have got someone.
In this particular case, in my statement, I said that a series of factors were involved, one of them being the fact that this had to be a job which had to be done early and, therefore, they could not wait for Malaysian engineers to be duly qualified to arrive in this country for them to employ such engineers; secondly, that if they were to recruit expatriate engineers, it may well take time.
In any case, the fundamental point is that in the Tech nical Advisory Committee of the Medi cal Centre, there is the Principal of the Engineering Faculty.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: The Dean of the Faculty of Engineering Faculty of the University of Malaya.

technical personnel: Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: The Dean of the Engineering Faculty of the Uni versity of Malaya is a member as well as other they advised the Medical Centre Develop these ment Committee.
Now, when into it, people have already and then they are satisfied, I do not know why this question is being asked here.

Personally, I feel that I have in fact no reason to reply to this at all.

looked Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-kira-nya Yang ini bukan Berhormat Menteri kita 1923 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1924 di- orang yang bertanggong-jawab dalam perlantekan Jurutera yang di- soal oleh Ahli dari Batu itu, apa-kah ada itu maka Menteri kita ini ya2 sangat membela- kan masaalah2 ini?
sa-suatu di-sabalek Data' Mohamed Asri bin Haji Muda (Pasir Puteh): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan tambahan lagi.

Ada-kah tidak sa-waktu hendak menchari sa-orang Engineer bagi pekerjaan yang di-sebut- kan mi di-keluarkan i'lan dan jika di- keluarkan tidak ada i'lan, ada-kah permohonan daripada Engineer2 tem- patan yang mempunyai' kelayakan yang penoh yang penoh bagi menjalankan pekerjaan itu dan jika ada kenapa tidak di-beri per- timbangan kapada orang tempatan?
pengalaman atau/dan Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: I do not know these details.

As I said, this matter is directly under the purview of the Medical Centre Edvisory Com mittee.
Dr Lim Chong Eu: Are we to take it that in view of what the Honourable Minister has said—the term used is "as early as possible" rather than as soon as possible—are we to take it that if any job has to be finished as early as possible, then persons with experience, though not necessarily with the acade mic qualifications, would be consi dered?
And if that were so there are any number of people in Malaysia, who have had enormous experience in the electrical engineering field although they have not had the opportunity of acquiring academic the government qualifications, would then consider the use of such persons?

necessary the Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: In this case the Medical Centre Technical Commit tee had gone into the qualifications.

This man had his academic qualifica tions in a Western European country.
EMPLOYMENT OF Mr R. DONDA AS SITE MECHANICAL ENGINEER AT THE TEACHING HOSPITAL, UNIVERSITY OF MALAYA 5.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecom munications if he is aware that Mr R. Donda, an expatriate, is employed as the a site Mechanical Engineer at of Teaching Hospital, University Malaya at a salary of $1,770 per mensem, and that Mr R. Donda does not possess the full qualification re quired of engineers employed by the P.W.D.
; whether he is also aware that the April Monthly Report of the Labour Department showed that two Malaysian qualified Mechanical Engi neers were registered with the Employ ment Exchange.

If so, whether he will state what steps he proposes to take regarding the employment of Mr R. Donda who has deprived a qualified Malaysian Mechanical Engineer of a job in this country.

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: Mr Speaker, Sir, my Ministry is not res ponsible for the employment of Mr R. Donda.
It is a matter for the Medical Centre Development Committee which has been set up for the medical pro this ject, and all decisions lie with Committee.

that Mr I understand Donda is now employed at) a salary of $1,770 per mensem on the proposal of the Medical Centre Technical Advisory Committee.

Mr Donda does not possess the full qualification as required of Mechanical Engineers in the P.W.D.
It is understood also that the Medical Centre agreed to the employment of Mr Donda not only because this was urgently required but also because they were assured by the Consulting firm that the qualifications and experience of Mr Donda were sufficient to qualify him for this particular job.

The Medi cal Centre Technical Advisory Com mittee, when considering this question was not aware of there being Mechani cal Engineers registered with the Em ployment Exchange.
the April Monthly Report of the Labour Depart ment only one mechanical engineer was registered with the Employment Exchange and not two, as stated by the Honourable Member.

On enquiry as to the qualifications of this gentleman, I am told that he obtained a Diploma in Mechanical Engineering of the Perth Technical College, Western Australia.
According to the rules for examination and submission of thesis (March 1964) of the Institution of Mechanical Engi in neers, London, mechanical engineering, Perth Techni cal College, is not included among the the Diploma In 1925 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1926 Universities and Colleges listed in the booklet granting exemptions from Part I and Part II of the Institution of Mechanical Engineers Examination, which is the minimum qualification for entry into the government service.
I understand further that he is employed in a firm.

is Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Is it not a fact that, in any event, payment of these expatriate employees from public coffers?

If so, should not the Honourable Minister make certain that whilst the Malaysian Government expatriate is kicking out qualified officers expatriate that unqualified officers do not creep backi by the back door?

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: Sir, this is a different question.

This is not related to the Medical Centre.


Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Sir, I am afraid it does, because the Honourable Minister is trying to shift all the blame for employment of unqualified expat riates to the Medical Committee.

Mr Speaker: Your question was rather general—that what is meant.

supplementary is Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, it is quite true that it is general, but it is from the general that we come to the particular.

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: The Honourable Member is generalising on the particular, Sir.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, is the Honourable Minister aware that what I did say just now about Mr Glatz equally applies to Mr Donda as has been admitted by the Honour able Minister?

Is the Minister also aware that the question as to whether Mr Donda should, or should not, be employed by the University rested with the advice given by his representative on the Medical Centre Advisory Com mittee.
I see the Minister is shaking his head.

He is not in the University Council, but I am and I can tell him that it is on the advice of his repre sentative on this Advisory Committee that the University was forced to take Mr Donda.

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: The Honourable Member again is at vari ance with facts.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: I beg your pardon, Sir.

The Minister has not got the papers, but I have here papers relevant that I am asking and I can pass them on to the Minister, if he likes.
to the question Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: Indeed, yes.

The Honourable Member has a lot of details.

When I met the Principal of the Medical Faculty Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Dean of the Faculty of Medicine.

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: The Teaching School!

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, for the edification of the Honour able Minister there is a Dean of the Faculty of Medicine, and for God's sake do not denigrate his office to that of a Principal.

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: I stand corrected.


Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid: I would like you to exercise your authority on this.

Mr Speaker, Sir, on a point of order— Standing Order 24 (4).

"A question shall not be made the pretext for a debate."

Mr Speaker: I rule that it is not a debate but an explanation.

(Laughter).

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: Mr Speaker, Sir, I have done some home work on this.

When I asked the Dean of the Faculty of Medicine about this, he was rather annoyed.
He said: "Look, we have got a good committee; we have got good advice; and we are doing our work."

A "So-and-so" gentle man tried to raise this question at the University level, and we gave him certain answers, and then he tried to postulate and finally said, "If I do not get the answer here, I will get it in another House."

He made the Senate appear to be another House, too.
In any case, all I can say is that the technical people are quite unhappy about this questioning of their ability to decide on this particular issue.

I then called up Mr Donda and spoke to him.

He is a young Italian, who got 1927 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1928 a diploma from Milan.

Now, I under stand from him that he would have gone for a degree just then if he had been rich enough.

He came from poor parentage, so he went for a diploma.
After that, he has been gaining experience, and ultimately he went to Australia and he got a post-graduate in this particular line.

Now, I wonder why the Member for Batu should hold it against Mr that he has got a diploma Donda from Milan simply because he hap pened to come from poor parentage.

That is the first point.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: I did not say anything about parentage in my ques tion, Mr Speaker, Sir.

{Laughter).

Whether he comes from Iceland or Timbuctoo does not matter to me.
Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: Yes, Sir.

The second point is that this gentleman has been working from 1954, and he has gained a lot of experience.

I then called up the Architect's firm in charge of this, Messrs Cubitt and Partner, and asked them for a personal and definite statement in private to me as to what they thought of Mr Donda.

They said they are extremely happy with the abilities of this particular gentleman.
So, we have the Medical and the Technical Committee, we have the assurance of the Architect, and we have the assurance of everybody that he is the problem involved doing a good job; and we have their assurance that they are not overpaying him, but are paying him $1,770; and that is all there is to it.
the assurance of in Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, that Mr Sir, is the Minister aware Donda is an employee of Thomas, Anderson and Partners and, therefore, Thomas, Anderson and Partners create a situation, where it is urgent for them to have a job for such a person?

They are pressing that he must be employed.

That is what I am objecting.

The urgency of this situation was created by Thomas, Anderson and Partners.

Mr Donda and Mr Glatz are employed by Thomas, Anderson and Partners.
If it is not that Mr Glatz and Mr Donda are employees, then the situation that is so unsatisfactory would not have arisen.

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: For the information of the Honourable Mem ber, Thomas, Anderson and Partners have been in employing Mr Donda, because he is an able man.

What more do you want?


right Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Finally, Mr Speaker, Sir, is the Minister aware that in the University Council itself, the University Council has resolved that this is a very unsatisfactory way of employing underqualified people and that, in future, they will not be subject to such a Russian roulette game.

ESTABLISHMENT OF DIPLO MATIC RELATIONS WITH YUGOSLAVIA to diplomatic 6.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of External Affairs if it is the intention of the Central Government to establish relations with Yugoslavia, and if so, when.

If the answer is in the affirmative, would the Minister also state whether this means the dawn of a new era in our foreign policy in that we will establish diplomatic relation with more Eastern European Communist countries.
this end, that country The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Central Government has always been regular and proper in its policy of cultivating friendship with countries that are friendly towards the Malay the sian Government.

To shown Malaysian Government has willingness to establish diplomatic rela tions with any country in the Eastern European zone, is if similarly inclined—in other words, if that country has a mutual desire to set up diplomatic relations with us.
It would also depend on the availability of our men or officers and on the availability of finance.

As he has quite correctly assumed, we are quite willing to set up diplomatic relations with Yugoslavia, if Yugoslavia is inclined to do the same with us.

But to suggest that this move on our part, or this stand on our part, is the dawn of a new era in Malaysia's foreign policy, I think to say the least, goes a little bit too far.
Malaysia's readiness to have close ties with Eastern European coun tries was not a readjustment of our foreign policy, but purely an expansion 1929 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1930 of it.

A nation's foreign policy can never stagnate, but it must continue to meet changing world situations.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Although this may not be the dawn of a new era, Mr Speaker, Sir, is the Honourable Minister of External Affairs aware of the agitation that is going on within UMNO itself for a more liberal attitude towards communist countries; in parti cular, the A.A.P.S.O., i.e., the Afro-Asian Peo ples' Solidarity Organisation, Malay sia—a set-up of the Alliance P a r t y- has asked for the recognition of Soviet Russia?

is he also aware that The Prime Minister: We have recog nised Soviet Russia.
To say that just because we have not set up diplomatic relations with Soviet Russia, we do not recognise Soviet Russia is wrong.

As I said just now, regarding our foreign policy, we do not stick by hard and fast rules; this policy, as I have said, needs expansion and we are pre pared to expand.

We do not propose to stagnate.

As I have said, we have got to see that there is a mutual desire to be friendly, or to set up diplomatic relations with us.
Except for certain countries which we consider as being rather on the extreme side—a country which is likely to cause us embarrass ment, if we were to set up diplomatic country—with such relations with others we are quite prepared to look into it.
is Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Minister of External Affairs aware that while it is the desire of the Government to set up friendly relations, diplomatic relations, with countries who show a friendly attitude towards us, the com munist-baiting utterances of the Minis ters of the Crown are not conducive towards establishment of such friendly relations?

The Prime Minister: They do attack us, and as I say, we do not intend to have diplomatic relations with them.
It is only when there is a mutual desire on both sides that we will look into it.

Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: tambahan, Tuan Yang di- Soalan timbul di-sini dengan Pertua.

Saya bersetuju-lah penerangan yang di-beri oleh Perdana Menteri kita sa-bagai Menteri Urusan Luar Negeri berkenaan dengan chita2 hendak mengadakan perhubongan dip- lomatik dengan Yugoslavia.
Tetapi satu perkara yang ia-lah dapat-kah Perdana Menteri kita mem- beri jaminan sa-bagai sa-orang yang sudah tua dan berpengalaman dalam terutama di-dalam dunia dunia barat, bahawa negara2 kominis di- itu boleh kita buat benua Europah sa-bagaimana negara2 kawan kominis di-sebelah Asia ini.

Jadi erti- nya kalau di-Europah, kominis sa-kali pun, boleh kita berbuat baik.

Jadi boleh-kah Perdana Menteri kita mem- beri jaminan kapada kami di-Pantai Timor hendak tahu sama di-atas per kara ini.
tidak ini, The Prime Minister: Tuan Speaker, hendak membuat jaminan itu tidak-lah boleh.

Kita mana tahu hati sa-saorang manusia atau sa-buah negeri, baik atau tidak, ada masa dia berbaik2 dengan kita macham Indonesia tetapi dalam berbaik2 itu dia telah memutuskan tali persahabatan dengan kita, dalam itu dia menjalankan konfrantasi di-atas kita.

Bagitu-lah juga Pakistan dalam berbaik2 dengan kita dan perasaan-nya hendak memutuskan persahabatan, dia buat bagitu.
Jadi ada yang saya sebut- kan tadi, jikalau sa-buah negeri ada perasaan hendak bersahabat dengan kita, maka dalam itu boleh-lah kita timbangkan di-atas kehendak negeri itu.

Jadi hendak memberi jaminan, tidak-lah boleh saya hendak memberi- kan. I.L.O.

CONVENTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS RATI FIED BY THE GOVERNMENT OF MALAYSIA 7.

Enche' Ong Kee Hui: (under Stand- ing Order 24 (2)) asks the Minister of Labour to give the list of I.L.O.
Con ventions and Recommendations ratified by the Government of Malaysia in respect of the States of Malaya, Sabah and Sarawak.

The Assistant Minister of Labour (Enche' Lee San Choon): Mr Speaker, Sir, since the reply to this question requires a long list of Conventions and 1931 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1932 Recommendations, I shall hand over to the Honourable Member a full list as required by him.

ACCELERATION OF EXAMINA TION OF I.L.O.

CONVENTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS 8.


Enche' Ong Kee Hui: (under Stand ing Order 24 (2)) asks the Minister of give Labour whether favourable consideration to the accele ration of the process of examination of the numerous I.L.O.

Conventions and Recommendations with a view to securing their early ratification by the Central Government.

he would Enche' Lee San Choon: The answer is "Yes".

REFUSAL BY EMPLOYERS TO ALLOW TRADE UNIONS TO CHOOSE THEIR REPRESENTA TIVES 9.
Enche' Ong Kee Hui: (under Stand ing Order 24 (2)) asks the Minister of Labour whether he is aware that some employers refuse trade unions the right to choose their own representatives to their negotiations represent with the employers, and whether he will take steps in order to ensure that the right of trade unions to choose their own representatives will be respected in future by all employers.
them in Enche' Lee San Choon: Mr Speaker, Sir, I am not aware of any problem regarding the right to be represented during negotia tions by bona fide officials of those unions.

trade unions securing INADEQUATE GENERAL KNOWLEDGE AMONGST SCHOOL CHILDREN 10.
Dr Lira Chong Eu asks the Minister of Education whether the Minister is aware that parents are greatly per turbed by the evidence of an inade quate general knowledge about facts concerning Malaysia amongst school children such as has been demons trated during the popular T.V.

pro gramme called "Quiz" and if the reply the affirmative, in to whether the Minister will assure this House that he will take the necessary the above is steps to correct this inadequacy in the education of our school children.
The Assistant Minister of Education (Enche' Lee Siok Yew): Mr Speaker, Sir, it is not proper to take the per formance in quiz programmes on the television as a reflection of the standard of general knowledge amongst school children.

However, recent in schools, I have myself speeches stressed this point.

In addition to this, I shall look into the matter further and, should I find it necessary, I shall take appropriate steps to correct the inadequacy.
in my it that Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Speaker, Sir, a supplementary question arises out of the answer.

The Honourable Minister started off by saying that it is not proper to adjudge but, however, he con siders is worthwhile looking into.

I do say that this programme has brought out defects which are very clear: for example, questions which from were asked of schools and who were supposed to be the brightest, probably, the schools, as to who the Governor of Penang title "S.M.N."
stands for, these could get no reply and these affect are Malaysians.

questions which representatives is, what from the Enche' Lee Siok Yew: Mr Speaker, Sir, I will look into the matter.

APPOINTMENT OF FOREIGN NATIONALS AS MALAYSIAN AMBASSADORS 11.

Dr Lim Chong Eu asks the Prime Minister to give the reasons why it is to for necessary appoint as two Malaysian Ambassadors.
the Government nationals foreign that The Prime Minister: Sir, I have no doubt the Honourable Member refers to Tun Lim Yew Hock and Dato' Hamid Jumat.

At the time of their two people were these appointment, nationals of Malaysia.

Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji: Soalan tambahan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

Sekarang Malaysia sudah putus dengan Singapura, dan mereka sudah menjadi Singapura.
Mengapa kita hendak beri mereka itu ra'ayat 1933 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1934 sa-mata2 ra'ayat Malaysia, kerana hendakkan mereka menjadi Duta kita?

represented his country, I think, to the satisfaction of all concerned.

The Prime Minister: Soal itu ter- kandong di-dalam soal No.

12.

Saya akan jawab apabila sampai soal No.

12.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Do I take it that the Honourable the Minister of External Affairs will not appoint these two ambassadors in question at the termination of their present term of office?

The Prime Minister: Well, to be truthful, they have been very good ambassadors of ours, and they have performed real good service for this country; and if they propose to become Malaysian citizens, I see no reason why they should not be appointed, if they so desire.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, on the question of their becoming citizens, can the Minister of External Affairs enlighten this House under what provisions of the Constitution can these two gentlemen be good Malaysians?

The Prime Minister: I will answer that when we come to Question 12.

Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji: Soalan tambahan lagi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

Tidak ada-kah orang Malaysia yang layak macham chalun dua orang itu?
The Prime Minister: Mereka ini, orang Malaysia saya katakan tadi, masa di-lantek mereka menjadi Ambassador mereka orang Malaysia.

sa-bagaimana Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, on the question of good Ambas the sadors, Mr Speaker, Sir, does Honourable Minister of External Affairs judge the performance of our in Canberra as High Commissioner being good and noteworthy the presence of confrontation by the Prime Minister of a now neighbouring and friendly country in Australia?
in The Prime Minister: It is a matter of opinion.

The opinion of the Opposi tion is always different from the opinion of Government.

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

My opinion is that the Minister concerned, or the High Commissioner concerned has done his work admirably well and has Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, another supplementary question: is the Honourable Minister of External Affairs aware the State visit of the Prime Minister of a neigh bouring country, the High Commis sioner took a diplomatic holiday from Canberra?

that during The Prime Minister: What is wrong with that?

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

that in fact when the Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Is the Honourable Minister aware of the Prime facts, Minister of Singapore appeared in Australia and made statements against the Central Government, the High to Australia was no Commissioner where to be seen; and if his absence, when the statement was made against the Central Government, is an example of good ambassadorship, then what is bad ambassadorship?

The Prime Minister: It is a matter of judgement in this case.
The Prime Minister of Singapore had no more standing than the Menteri Besar, or Chief Minister, of any State of Malaysia at that time; and then again, I think, the Honourable the Member is aware that there has been no love lost between the two, and perhaps the Prime Minister of Singapore at that time does not want to see his face and so he made himself scarce.

That it (Laughter).

is all there to is MALAYSIAN CITIZENSHIP FOR FOREIGN NATIONALS APPOINTED AS MALAYSIAN AMBASSADORS 12.
Dr Lim Chong Eu asks the Prime Minister whether he is aware that in a recent press statement one of these two foreigners was reported to have said that he would be applying for so, Malaysian Citizenship, whether he would elucidate under what Constitutional provisions this gentle man qualifies for citizenship.

and if The Prime Minister: This is a law answer.


If the Honourable Member will bear with me I will have to read some the particulars, because involves it 1935 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1936 of naturalisation of Naturalisation Constitution as well.

The question is, whether the two foreigners are eligible to be called Federal citizens.

They are, in fact, eligible to be called Federal citizens, if they apply for and obtain under certificates Article 19 (1) (ii) in our Constitution.
Tun Lim Yew Hock, our High Com missioner in Australia, applied for a Certificate under the 19th of Article 19 (1) (ii) on September, 1965, and was issued with a Certificate as F.C.C.

No.
No.

0624412 on the 22nd September, 1965, after he had satisfied the Government that he had required the residential qualifications by the said Article, and here the said Article 19 (1) (ii) states, among other things, that he has resided in Singapore for the required periods and intends, if the Certificate is granted, to do so permanently—and this particular clause has not been amended after the separa tion of Singapore.
So, these two gentle men are eligible to acquire Federal Citizenship under this Article 19 (1) (ii); and from information which I have received, the other gentleman, Dato' Hamid Jumat is also applying for his Federal citizenship.
Now, the periods of residence in the Federation, or for that matter in Singapore, the relevant part of it for the grant of the certificate of naturalisation are periods which amount in the aggregate to not less the twelve years in than immediately preceding the date of the the certificate, and application which twelve months the immediately preceding that date.
for include ten years in Singapore and as These two particular gentlemen were born their knowledge of Malay, I can say that in one case although he is a Chinese, his is lingua Malay, and the other gentleman is a Malay by birth and origin.

franca or home language to Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Speaker, Sir, there is a supplementary question arising out of the reply given.
Sir, in view of the fact that Article 19 (1) (ii) has not been amended, would other citizens in Singapore, who desire to become Federal Citizens, though not this necessarily Ambassadors country, qualify to be citizens of Malaysia?

of The Prime Minister: It is obvious that it is so.

So, we have to hurry now and try to amend that particular clause (Laughter).

Dr Lim Chong Eu: Sir, is not this a very peculiar arrangement between ourselves independent nation?
another and The Prime Minister: As you realise, the separation was decided all of a sudden, and we have had no time to look into it until the Honourable Mem ber brought this matter to our atten tion; and now we have to start working on it (Laughter).

kita luar kalau Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: tambahan, Tuan Yang di- Soalan Pertua.
Pada waktu2 yang tertentu, saya pun bersetuju dengan Kerajaan itu menjadi menerima orang warganegara khidmat mereka itu baik dan negara ini ber- hajatkan-nya; tetapi yang menjadi masaalah di-sini ia-lah dalam perkara yang umum, ia-itu "in general"-nya, ada-kah sebab2 yang di-berikan oleh Perdana Menteri kita, maka dua orang yang berkenaan itu di-terima, sebab2 itu boleh di-gunakan kapada orang2 lain di-Singapura, atau pun di-negeri2 jiran untok menjadi warganegara di- sini.
Jadi, di-dalam keterangan Perdana tadi bukan di-titek-beratkan Menteri di- mustahak-nya terima tetapi section2 dalam Per- di-kemukakan lembagaan yang membolehkan dua orang itu menjadi warganegara.

Jadi, sebab-nya yang di-beri oleh Perdana Menteri itu, ada-kah pula boleh di- gunakan bagi orang lain di-negeri yang berjiran dengan kita?

sa-bagai warganegara, orang dua itu Mr Speaker: Itu soal lain—soal lain.

ABOLITION OF THE TRADE LICENCE FEE IN SARAWAK 13.


Enche' Chia Chin Shin asks the Minister of Finance whether considera tion will be given to abolish the Trade Licence Fee for Sarawak as this fee is not paid elsewhere within Malaysia; and if so, when.
The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan Siew Sin): Mr Speaker, Sir, as agreed in the Inter-Governmental Committee 1937 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1938 Report, fees imposed under the Sara wak Business Professions and Trade Licensing Ordinance become State revenue although is Federal.

Any repeal of this legislation will, therefore, require the agreement of it the State Government since would involve the loss of State revenue.

legislation the RECOGNITION OF MEDICAL DEGREES FROM TAIWAN UNIVERSITIES 14.
Enche' Chia Chin Shin asks the Minister of Health whether considera tion will be given for the recognition of Medical Degree holders who gra duated from Taiwan Universities in view of shortage of doctors in Malay sia.

The Minister of Health (Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin): Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish to explain that there are three medical registration bodies in Malaysia: one in the States of Malaya, one in Sabah and the other one in Sarawak.
In so far as Sarawak is con cerned, one local Sarawak doctor and one local dentist, both of whom quali fied in Taiwan, have already been con ditionally registered in Sarawak for Government Service and are now working in the Medical Department.

Consideration will be given to any received.

other similar applications This is not a question of recognition but a question of registration according to the Medical Registration Ordinance of each State.

TRAINING FOR LOCAL DRESSERS AND NURSES 15.


Enche' Chia Chin Shin asks the Minister of Health whether the Ministry will look into the problem of training local dressers and nurses to meet the increasing demands of service and whether steps will be taken to remedy the shortage of staff in Hospitals in Sarawak.
the staff position Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: Mr Speaker, Sir, in Sarawak hospitals as far as nurses and hospital assistants are concerned has greatly improved over the past few years and will continue to improve.

The intake of student nurses to the training school in Kuching has been increased to the maximum possible in view of the existing accommodation and tutorial staff available.

There are now 181 nurses and hospital assistants in training.
Efforts are being made to recruit another tutor, and plans are in the the course of preparation for establishment of a second training school attached to the Lau King Hau Hospital, Sibu.

TRADE LICENCE FEE 16.

Enche' Khoo Peng Loong asks the Minister of Finance whether merchants and traders in the mainland of Malaysia pay annual trade licence fee.

If the answer is no, can the Minister explain why we, in Sarawak are required to pay trade licence fee.
Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, merchants and traders in mainland Malaysia do not pay annual licence fees apart from what may be imposed by their local authorities like Munici palities and Town Councils.

The licence fee was imposed in Sarawak before the State became part of Malaysia; and, as I have already indicated in reply to an earlier question, it forms an item of revenue for the State, whose consent would therefore be required for its abolition.
REVOCATION OF TURNOVER AND PAYROLL TAXES IN SARAWAK 17.

Enche' Khoo Peng Loong asks the Minister of Finance, with regard to the request made during his visit to Sibu recently to revoke the extension of Turnover and Payroll taxes to Sarawak, whether he would consider suspending and deferring the extension of these two taxes to Sarawak for few years.
Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, as I stated in my 1965 Budget Speech, and I have repeated it on subsequent occasions, it is the Central Government's policy to keep under close and constant study the impact of all types of taxation, so that anomalies may be corrected and the tax burden spread equitably as far as possible.
All aspects of taxation are also regularly reviewed each year when the 1939 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1940 Budget is under preparation, and I would therefore ask the Honourable Member to be patient for a few days more in order to find out whether his prayers have been answered or not.

TERMS OF THE LONDON AGREEMENT REGARDING GRADUAL INCREASE OF TAXES IN SARAWAK 18.
Enche' Khoo Peng Loong asks the Minister of Finance whether he can assure the House and the members from the State of Sarawak in particular that the terms of the London Agree ment regarding the gradual increase of taxes in the State will be respected.

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: I am glad to have this opportunity of confirming once again that the Central Govern ment will of course respect the under taking that increases in taxation in Sarawak, and for that matter in Sabah also, will be made in graduated stages.
Mr Speaker: Presentation of Govern ment Bills!

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, we have got some more questions for today.

Mr Speaker: Those questions will be given written answers.

The time is up.

[Note: Written Answers to Oral Questions Nos.

19-29 are given below.]

TULISAN JAWI DI-SEKOLAH KEBANGSAAN 19.

Tuan Haji Muhammad Su'aut bin Haji Mohd.

Tahir bertanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran tulisan Jawi menjadi satu daripada mata pelajaran dalam Sekolah2 kebangsaan sekarang.
ada-kah Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Tulisan Jawi ada-lah di-ajar sa-bagai sa-bahagian daripada pelajaran bahasa kebangsaan di-Sekolah2 Kebangsaan atau di-sekolah2 yang mengadakan pengajaran bahasa Melayu di-pering- kat yang lebeh tinggi daripada bahasa kebangsaan.

PEMANSOKHAN PEPEREKSAAN MASOK SEKOLAH RENDAH DAN MENENGAH 20.

Tuan Haji Muhammad Su'aut bin Haji Mohd.


Tahir bertanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran bila-kah Peperek- saan Masok yang sama akan di- mansokhkan di-Sarawak saperti yang telah berlaku di-Tanah Melayu.

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Pemansokhan Pepereksaan Masok Sekolah Rendah dan Menengah di- Tanah Melayu ada-lah sa-bahagian daripada ranchangan melaksanakan Sistem Pelajaran Kebangsaan Anika Jurusan.

Ada-lah di-jangka Sarawak akan mendapat faedah itu apabila Negeri itu menurut Sistem Pelajaran Kebangsaan.
SHARAT2 PERKHIDMATAN BAGI GURU2 21.

Tuan Haji Muhammad Su'aut bin Haji Mohd.

Tahir bertanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran ada-kah benar atau tidak layanan di-beri terhadap guru2 berkenaan kemudahan perumahan, perubatan, dan tangga-gaji sunggoh tidak memuaskan.

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Sharat2 perkhidmatan dan gaji guru2 tidak-lah boleh di-katakan tidak me muaskan jika di-bandingkan dengan lain2 jawatan sama ada di-Malaysia atau di-seberang laut.
Ini bukan-lah berma'ana sharat2 perkhidmatan dan gaji itu tidak boleh di-baiki; tetapi, sa- barang chadangan untok memper- termasok-lah kemudahan baiki-nya, perumahan dan perubatan, mesti-lah di-timbangkan dari segi kedudokan seluroh-nya termasok pembangunan ekonomi dan masharakat seluroh-nya.

BROADCAST OF LOCAL AND WORLD NEWS IN MELANAU LANGUAGE BY RADIO SARAWAK 22.
Enche' Sim Boon Liang asks the Minister of Information and Broad casting whether he would consider arranging 20 minutes' Local and World News in Melanau Language every evening in Radio Sarawak for the Melanau listeners.

Enche' Senu bin Abdul Rahman: As the Hon'ble Member is aware, my Ministry proposes to spend millions of dollars under the First Malaysian Development Plan to expand and im prove further radio and information 1941 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1942 facilities in Sarawak.
When these are completed, it is proposed to review the whole programme content and policy of Radio Malaysia Sarawak, taking into consideration the likes and dis likes of the listeners in Sarawak as a whole.

At the moment it is not the intention of my Ministry to add new pro existing increase grammes or number of news bulletins as the present facilities are is my contention that any ad hoc arrange ments with regard to programming is far from satisfactory.

inadequate.
inadequate.

the It PASOKAN PENGAWAL KAMPONG DI-SARAWAK 23.

Che' Ajibah binti Abol bertanya kapada Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri untok menubohkan Pasokan Pengawal Kam- pong di-Sarawak maseh lagi dalam pertimbangan, dan sa-kira-nya ya bila agak-nya akan di-laksanakan.
ranchangan ada-kah Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri (Dato' Dr Ismail): Pengarah Pasokan Kawalan serta dengan Ibu Pejabat-nya adarlah di-tubohkan di-bawah Kemen- terian saya dan pada ketika ini ia hanya bertanggong-jawab atas penu- bohan2 Pasokan Kawalan di-Negeri2 Tanah Melayu (Malaya).

Ranchangan bagi menubohkan Pasokan Kawalan di-Negeri2 Sabah dan Sarawak telah pun perkem- di-kajikan mengikut bangan2 yang telah di-chapai di- Negeri2 Tanah Melayu.
Kajian ini telah pun selesai dan keputusan yang akhir akan di-buat tidak lama lagi.

REDUCTION OF FEE CHARGED FOR LATE BIRTH CERTIFICATE- SARAWAK 24.
Enche' Sim Boon Liang asks the Minister of Home Affairs, whether he would consider to reduce the present fee of $8 charged for a Late Birth Certificate to $3 as before, because the rural people especially those in Mukah, Oya, Dalat and Balingian, are poor and cannot afford a high fee, as they are still very backward and did not even apply for their Late Birth Certificates before Malaysia when the fee was only $1.50.
Dato' Dr Ismail: The present proce dure for application for late registra tion of birth, in Sarawak, in respect of persons other than Natives of Sarawak, requires the application to be suppor ted by two Statutory Declarations from either the parent or close relative or relatives and neighbour or friend who has personal knowledge of the birth.
To obtain a birth certificate under late registration an applicant would there fore have to pay: Fee for a birth certificate ... $3.00 Fee for two Statutory Declarations at $2.50 each ... 5.00 Total ... $8.00 late registration The $3 fee for a birth certificate under is prescribed under Rule 16 of the Registration of Births and Deaths Ordinance, 1951, of Sarawak.
The Rules made under the Registration of Births and Deaths of 1948 prescribed a fee of $1.50 cents but these were superseded by the Rules made under the Registration of Births and Deaths Ordinance, 1951, which raised the fee to $3.

It is therefore not correct the fee before that Malaysia was only $1.50 (The fee for Statutory Declaration is prescribed under the Statutory Declaration Ordi nance of Sarawak).
to say It is possible to revise the procedure for application for late registration of births by insisting only one Statutory Declaration instead of two, in support of the application, so that the total amount of fee an applicant would have to pay would be reduced to $5.50.

It is not possible to dispense with the Statutory Declaration altogether.
One Statutory Declaration, at least must be submitted in support of the application for late registration of birth otherwise it would lead to all kinds of abuse and it would be very difficult indeed for taken against a any action person who has deliberately given false information.

to be I have considered this matter and have decided that in future only one Statutory Declaration need be required for an application for late registration, instead of two.
1943 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1944 APPLICATIONS FOR CITIZENSHIP BY REGISTRATION—SARAWAK 25.

Enche' Tan Tsak Yu asks the Minister of Home Affairs to state: (a) how many applications for citizenship by registration have been approved and how many have been rejected; (b) what are the reasons for their rejection.
Dato' Dr Ismail: (a) On is that the assumption the question relates to the State of that the answer Sarawak, 14,734 applications for citizen ship have been approved up to 31st October, 1965, and 41 applications have been rejected (up to 31st October, 1965).

(b) The applications were rejected the applicants were because unable the Federal Government that they had the necessary qualifications stipu lated in the citizenship provi sions of the Constitution.
to satisfy submitted by applicants from Sarawak up to the end of August, 1965 are from those 45 years of age and above.
This is a clear indication that the vast majority of eligible applicants of 45 years of age and above have already submitted the time the language test exemption ended on 31st August, 1965. their applications by It is not understood how the Hon'ble Enche' Tan Tsak Yu arrived at the "official figures showing that approxi mately 30,000 people in Sarawak have not yet applied for Citizenship".
But even if there are still approximately 30,000 people who have not yet applied, it is contended that, on the basis of the high percentage of applications already those of 45 years of age and above, the number of applicants above the age of 45 who have not yet applied, if any, could only be but a small percentage of the 30,000.

To extend the language test period, which means exemption amending Article 16A (d) of the Con stitution for the sake of a few appli cants, is not justified.
received from EXTENSION OF PERIOD OF EXEMPTION OF LANGUAGE TEST FOR PERSONS OVER 45 YEARS—SARAWAK the 26.

Enche' Tan Tsak Yu asks Minister of Home Affairs to state in view of official figures showing that approximately 30,000 people in Sara wak have not yet applied for citizen the ship by Central Government will consider extending the period for exemption of the language test for those who are over 45 years of age.

registration whether RELEASE OF DETAINEES AFTER REVIEW BY THE ADVISORY BOARD 27.
Enche' Lim Kean Siew asks the Minister of Home Affairs how many detainees have been after their cases were reviewed by the Advi sory Board and how many within their first year of detention.

released Dato' Dr Ismail: A total of 247 detainees have been released after their cases were reviewed by the Advisory Board, including 195 who were released within the first year of their detention.
Dato' Dr Ismail: Facilities for citizenship registration were made available in Sarawak as from August, 1964 and there was therefore a period of 13 months within which applicants of 45 years of age and above could submit their applications for citizen ship by registration under Article 16A in order the language test exemption which ended on 31st August, 1965.
Records in the Citizenship Central Registry show that approximately 85% of the applications take advantage of to BECAUSE DETENTION OF MEMBERS OF OPPOSITION OF SPEECHES THAT MALAYSIA IS NEO-COLONIALIST PLAN, ETC.

28.
Enche' Lim Kean Siew asks the Minister of Home Affairs to state: (a) whether members of the Opposi tion have been detained on the grounds that they have reiterated in speeches that Malaysia is a neo-colonialist plan and that it 1945 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1946 about hardship, has brought the to tribulation and misery resulted in people which has conscription, national tenants' vigilante registration, called upon the masses to boycott the Government's defence measures; and service corps and have and (b) whether the Government intends to brand any member of the Opposition as subversives who put forward arguments used by communists.
Data' Dr Ismail: The answer to the first part of the question is "No".
No person, whether a member of the Opposition political party or not, has been detained solely on the grounds that he has reiterated in his speeches that Malaysia is a neo-colonialist plan which has brought about hardship, tribulation and misery to the people and has resulted in national service conscription, and vigilante tenants' registration, even though he might have, in addition, called upon the masses to boycott Government's defence measures.
The sole considera tion in the arrest and preventive deten tion of any person is whether he poses a serious security threat to the nation because of his activities which are considered prejudicial and therefore the preventive measures of warrant detention.
corps (b) The Government has no inten tion to brand anyone, irrespective of his political affiliations, as a subversive unless there is evidence to show that he is deliberately furthering the cause of Communism or promoting com munist subversive activities.

DETENTION OF MEMBERS OF THE OPPOSITION FOR PARTICIPATING IN THE 13th FEBRUARY DEMON STRATION AT KUALA LUMPUR 29.
Enche' Lim Kean Siew asks the to state: Minister of Home Affairs (a) whether members of the Oppo sition have been detained for the taking an active part demonstration at Kuala Lumpur to disrupt on 13th February in law and order in the country as this was allegedly Communist inspired; (b) the grounds the Government has for saying that this demon stration is Communist inspired; and (c) whether the Government intends to consider all those who took an active part in the demonstra tion as subversives.
Dato' Dr Ismail: (a) The answer to the first part of the question is that no one has been detained under the Inter nal Security Act for taking an active part in the demonstration at Kuala Lumpur on 13th February, 1965.

Several persons were arrested at the time for breaking these persons were dealt with ade quately in a court of law.
law and the (b) As regards the request of the Hon'ble Member for Dato Kramat, for the grounds that the Government has for saying that the demonstration of the 13th February, 1965, is Communist inspired, I do not consider it in the public interest to divulge all the information that Govern ment has on the demonstration.
I should, however, like to inform Hon'ble Members of this House that the Government is aware of the identity of the persons in behind question, of their connection with the Communist United Front and of the purpose for which the demonstration was organised.

the demonstration led against (c) The Government is aware of the circumstances under which most of the demonstrators were sub verted and their better judgement to participate in the demonstration of Feb ruary 13th by certain subversive elements.
The Government, therefore, does not propose to consider all those who took an active part in the demonstration as subversives.
1947 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1948 BILLS PRESENTED THE FEDERAL STATUTE LAW REVISION (SUITS AGAINST THE RULING HOUSES) BILL, 1965 Bill to repeal the laws of the States of Kedah, Negeri Sembilan, Pahang, Perlis, Selangor and Trengganu relating to suits against the Ruling Houses those States; presented by the of Deputy Prime Minister; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE PREVENTION OF CRIME AMENDMENT BILL, 1965 Bill to amend the Prevention of Crime Ordinance, 1959; presented by the Minister of Home Affairs; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.

THE IMMIGRATION AMENDMENT (No.

2) BILL, 1965 Bill to amend the Immigration Ordi nance, 1959; presented by the Minister of Home Affairs; read the first time; to be read a second time at a sub sequent sitting of this House.
PASSPORT BILL, 1965 Bill to consolidate the laws relating to the possession and production of travel documents by persons entering or leaving, or travelling within, the Federa tion and to provide for matters con therewith; presented by the nected Minister of Home Affairs; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
DIVORCE BILL, 1965 Bill to amend the Divorce Ordinance, 1952, of the States of Malaya; presented by the Minister of Justice; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.

THE PENAL CODE (AMENDMENT No.

2) BILL, 1965 Bill to further amend the Penal Code; presented by the Minister of Justice; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, may we know whether this Bill has been tabled or not?
Dato' Dr Ismail: It will be printed after the First Reading and will be sent to Honourable Members.

THE CONVENTION ON THE SETTLEMENT OF INVESTMENT DISPUTES BILL, 1965 Bill to rectify and give legal sanction to the provisions of the Convention on the settlement of Investment Disputes; presented by the Assistant Minister of Finance; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
to create custom THE CUSTOMS (MALAYSIAN COMMON TARIFFS) BILL, 1965 Bill for Malaysia, and to provide for matters incidental thereto; presented by the Assistant Minister of Finance; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.

tariffs THE SUPPLEMENTARY SUPPLY (No.


2) BILL Bill to apply sums out of the Consoli dated Funds for additional expenditure for the service of the year 1965 and to appropriate such sums for certain purposes; presented by the Assistant Minister of Finance; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE DEVELOPMENT FUND (AMENDMENT) BILL Bill to amend the Development Fund Ordinance, 1958; presented by the Assistant Minister of Finance; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE MINISTERS, ASSISTANT MINISTERS AND PARLIAMEN TARY SECRETARIES (REMU (AMENDMENT) NERATIONS) BILL Bill to amend the written laws relating to the remuneration of Ministers, Assistant Ministers, and Parliamentary 1949 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1950 Secretaries; presented by the Assistant Minister of Finance; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE RUBBER RESEARCH INSTITUTE OF MALAYA BILL Bill to provide for the reconstitution of Institute of the Rubber Research incidental Malaya and thereto; presented by the Minister of Commerce and Industry; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
for matters regulating THE MALAYSIAN TIMBER EXPORT INDUSTRY BOARD (INCORPORATION) BILL Bill to establish the Malaysian Timber Export Industry Board for the purpose of the and timber export industry and to provide for matters connected therewith; pre sented by the Minister of Commerce and Industry; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
improving THE PINEAPPLE INDUSTRY (AMENDMENT) BILL, 1965 Bill to amend the Pineapple Industry Ordinance, 1957, and the Pineapple (Amendment) Act, 1964; Industry presented by the Minister of Com merce and Industry; read the first time; to be read a second time at a sub sequent sitting of this House.
WOMEN AND GIRLS (APPOINT MENT OF PLACES OF SAFETY) BILL Bill to provide for the appointment of places of safety for the purposes of the laws in force in different parts of the States of Malaya and for the protec tion of women and girls; presented by the Minister for Welfare Services; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE EMPLOYMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL Bill to amend the Employment Ordi nance, 1955; presented by the Assistant Minister of Labour; read the first time; to be read a second time at a sub sequent sitting of this House.

THE CO-OPERATIVES SOCIETIES (AMENDMENT) BILL Bill to amend the Co-operative Socie ties Ordinance 1948; presented by the and Co Minister of Agriculture operatives; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE NATIONAL LAND REHABI LITATION AND CONSOLIDATION (INCORPORATION) AUTHORITY BILL Bill to incorporate the National Land Consolidation and Rehabilitation Authority the responsibility rehabilitation and development of areas within the States of Malaya; presented by the Minister of Lands and Mines; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.

to be charged with the for Sitting suspended at 11.30 a.m.

Sitting resumed at 11.48 am.


(Mr Speaker in the Chair) PERMISSION FOR MEMBER FOR TANJONG TO INTRO DUCE THE CONSTITUTION AND MALAYSIA (AMEND MENT) BILL (Motion) Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Speaker, Sir, the purpose of my moving the motion under my name has been clearly stated in the Order Paper, which has been this circulated House.

to every Member of First of all, I would like to draw the attention of this House to the fact that I am moving this motion under Standing Order No.

49.
49.

This Standing Order makes the manner of my putting forward the motion a little difficult to understand from the general point of view, and I would like to take this opportunity, Sir, to thank you for your advice in the procedure of moving a private member's Bill.
I would like to draw the attention of the House in particular to Clauses (3) and (4) of Standing Order No, 49, because I think it is proper for this House to realise that this motion when 1951 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1952 put and carried will mean that the proposed Bill will have been deemed to have been read a first time.

However, our Standing Orders make it quite clear that the Bill shall be referred without discussion the Minister concerned.
to On many previous occasions in this House I have assured Members of the Government benches that it is our intention to provide loyal and effective opposition in this House.

This motion is just one of the examples of the kind of loyal opposi tion which we intend to demonstrate.
It must be clear to the Members of the House that such a Bill, as is proposed by me cannot be successfully carried through all its stages in Parliament unless there is co-operation in this House, both from the Government as well as from the Opposition;—and this is as it should be because, my motion asking that this House hereby grants me leave to introduce a Bill which may be cited as the Constitution and Malaysia Act (Amendment) Bill, in fact seeks to bring about what we hope will be to the benefit of the nation as a whole.
The purpose of this motion as I have already stated, is clearly laid down in the motion itself.

Sir, I am quite sure that everyone in this House is fully aware that since our last meeting of Parliament, when the Government found it necessary to drastically amend our national Consti tution, in order to evict the State of Singapore, there has been a widespread sense of unease and insecurity over the stability of our Constitution which is prevalent amongst all citizens of what is now left in Malaysia.
The Bill implied by this motion seeks, in some small measure, to reassure the people of our nation, Malaysians in all walks of life, that the stability of our Constitution can be restored and that it is a matter of deep interest to all the Members of this House, whether they are from the Opposition or from the Government benches, to do so.

We are not here to debate the merits or the demerits of what took place on August 9th this year at the last meeting to some of Parliament.
However, measure the Bill is an attempt to restore confidence in our national Constitution.

We consider that this is necessary because, as we all know, Malaysia today exists simply because we are a nation with a written Constitution.

This in effect means that the national struc ture, and the political character of our nation is determined by the Consti tution which we are all bound to uphold, protect and to defend.
It means that the status, the rights and the liberties of each and everyone of our citizens, including those of Their High nesses The Rulers, are all defined within the Constitution, and therefore they are sustained only to the extent whereby our Constitution is stable.

For all these reasons we frequently refer to the "sanctity" of our Consti tution because so much, in fact the whole nation, depends upon the stabi lity of our Constitution.
However, when we look back, in the short history of our nation, especially as we look back to the beginning of our Constitution, which is founded upon the 1957 Federation of Malaya Constitution, we must all be concerned by the fact that, both prior to Malay sia and since the formation of Malay sia, the Alliance Government has been consistently nibbling away at, and eroding the foundation of our Consti tution ever since 1960.

This has become almost a bad habit with the Alliance Government.
More important than the number of times, actually eight times since 1960, three prior to Malaysia, and five after the formation of Malaysia, more important than the number of times whereby the Alliance has made amend ments to the Constitution—and I say that it is more important because we appreciate the fact that no written Constitution is perfect and therefore it should be subject to amendment—is that we are deeply concerned by the manner whereby the Alliance Govern ment has steadily increased the number of amendments per year.
They have mad£ amendments of greater signi ficance, and more important yet they have made these amendments arro gantly in as short a time as possible.
1953 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1954 We in the United Democratic Party, as well as other Opposition Parties, have often drawn the attention of the people to this bad and arrogant habit of the Alliance Party in power, which if unchecked could erode away our Constitution to such an extent as to endanger the democratic character of our nation, and the rights and liberties of our citizens.

However, all our protests have been ignored.


The Alli ance back-benchers themselves have been ineffective, and seemingly unaware of the significance of the meaning of the words "the sanctity of our Consti tution".

Thus this year we experienced amendments being made to our Consti tution after very short notice and entire amendments to the Constitution "steam-rolled" through in all its stages within one meeting of Parliament.
The climax came on August 9th this year, when without any prior notice this House virtually dismembered our Con stitution as well as our nation all within three hours.

I have already said previously that we are not concerned in this debate with the merits and demerits of the separation of Singapore.

What has happened has already happened, and it will be sometime before the RE UNIFICATION with Singapore can be achieved.
But we are deeply concerned by the method and manner whereby the Constitution of our nation could be so tragically and drastically altered within a matter of three hours.

We are concerned because the haste whereby the eviction of Singapore was effected has brought about the sense of in security and unreality over our Consti tution which now prevails throughout the country.
The tranmatic shock, if I may use the words of our honourable friend the member from Bungsar, has left a sense of fear that unless some thing were done to stabilise our Consti tutional position, then the precedent of August 9th may well lead to the break up of Malaysia itself, and the destruc tion of democratic processes followed by the institution of an autocratic form of government and, perhaps, even by dictatorship.
Following upon my comments about the tragic destruction of our Consti tution by the Honourable the Prime Minister himself on August 9 which I made during a mass public rally in the Malaysian Solidarity Convention on August 15th at the Penang City Stadium, the Utusan Melayu criticised me for my denunciation of what is left of our Constitution and the manner whereby the amendments of August 9 were carried out.
But I think that they got hold of the wrong end of the stick altogether and misunderstood the situa tion.

Nevertheless, I am confident that we in the loyal opposition truly reflect the feeling of the people in the country, when we say that we are deeply con cerned by the tragic erosion of our Constitutional stability.

This is well borne out by the result of the Ayer Itam by-election last Saturday.

And I urge the Alliance Government seriously to pay heed to the sensitivities of the people.
that The people fully understand the amendments which effected the eviction of Singapore actually touched upon practically every article and section of our Constitution: from the very first Article to the last word of the last Schedule, from the Oath of Office as laid down in the 6th Schedule to the provisions defining the status and rights of our citizens.

Mr Speaker, Sir, if I may be per mitted, for the benefit of the Members of this House, I would like to read to you this Oath of Office and allegiance.
However, in view of the fact that earlier today two new Members took the Oath of Office, I need only to stress that the Oath which all of us took, apart from these two Members, refers to a Malaysia under the Constitution which included the 11 States of Malaya and the two States in Borneo of Sabah and Sarawak and also the State of Singa pore.
As a matter of fact, apart from the two Members who this morning took the new Oath, all of us were, on the date of August 9, bound by Oath to defend the States of the Federation as defined by Article 1.
And even to this day I wonder whe ther in fact the Honourable Members 1955 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1956 the amendment on who voted for August 9 were aware of the Oath which they had taken on assuming their seats in Parliament, and if they did whether they understood that under Article 1 (2) (c) of the Constitution which they had sworn to preserve, protect and defend "Malaysia"—the nation Malaysia means the 11 States of the Federation, the Borneo States of Sabah and Sarawak and the State of Singapore.
That the people should be concerned and agitated is due to the fact that they are today aware that the amendments of August 9 virtually meant the deprivation of the status and rights of all the citizens from Singapore—1,500,000 and more of them, Malaysian citizens at that time, and apparently from what we have heard from the Honourable the Prime Minister "potential this morning, Malaysian citizens even today".
Once again I repeat that in this motion and the debate on it, we should not concern ourselves over the contro versial issue as to whether the separa tion of Singapore was necessary, was effective, or was wise.

Admittedly, even to this day, after three months we are still concerned over this issue and over the question whether or not other alternative ways could not have been found to so solve the problems prevailing at that time.
to stress the opportunity At this point, Sir, I would like to take the importance of my motion, because although I have not had the opportu nity to discuss my motion with the Member for Johore Tenggara, who is not present, I feel sure that he is probably as deeply concerned as I am over the method and manner whereby the eviction of Singapore was effected.
However, it is quite likely that his ultimate reasons and objectives may be different from mine, nevertheless, I do think that we are both deeply interested in the preservation of a Malaysia as it was defined on September 16, 1963.

The people of this country are perturbed and concerned, because they realise the new dangers to our nation that can arise out of the precedent of what happened on August 9, 1965.
For example, recent statements made by certain prominent UMNO leaders which threatened to revise the citi zenship provisions of our Constitution have acquired an undue emotional reaction because of what had happened on August 9th.

To this extent, I commend the more responsible Alli ance leaders for having put a stop to such irresponsible statements.
Never theless, we all realise that there can be no smoke without fire and unless the causes and roots of such irresponsible attitudes are removed we will have to continue to face the spectre of racial ism in our multi-racial nation.

Furthermore, the separation of Singa pore from Malaysia has led to a growing desire amongst the people of Sabah and Sarawak for some alter native arrangements to be made in our Federation.
This growing body of opinion is at the moment not yet the views completely united and to advanced vary from a demand review the terms of the Agreement, which led to the formation of Malaysia, to an out-right demand for a plebiscite to indicate the true desire of the people, particular of those in Sarawak, for independence and therefore of secession from Malaysia.
that recently in Sabah matters had seemed to settle down from what we can read from the newspapers, but at the same time I think everyone appreciates that the present political in Sabah, based as it is upon a three- tier indirect election, does not truly and wholly reflect the popular view of the people in Sabah.
I understand leadership The danger of the precedent set on August 9, 1965, however, is that all these issues that I have briefly referred to could spark off another major and tragic amendment to our Constitution unless we do something now.
I consider that it is only fair for all of us to accept that whatever are the existing controversies, and whatever will be the outcome of the amendments to the Constitution which led to the eviction of Singapore, the one important fact which stands out clearly for all of us to see is that on August 9 neither the Members of Parliament of this House, nor the people of the country 1957 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1958 in to understand the amendments and as a whole, were given adequate time the and opportunity purpose of to reflect upon what each and everyone of ua should do.
Certainly, apart from the few Cabinet Ministers and Menteri2 Besar and Chief Ministers the country, none of us in this House were given adequate time and opportunity to consult with the people, who elected us to represent them, as to what actions or what stand we should take.

Probably the Honourable the Prime Minister had much more leisure and much more in a time, as he was convalescing hospital as was reported in the news papers.
It was this absolute haste in steam-rolling through the amendments made on August 9, and the fact that the amendments could be steam-rolled through which makes us in the Opposi tion say that the shadow and the fear of autocracy—even of dictatorship— institution of hangs over this democracy, institution which we call the DEWAN RA'AYAT.

this very this building and that to say It may be well for some of us in this House they have implicit faith and trust in the Honour able Prime Minister, Tunku Abdul Rahman.
But we must all realise that the nation does not depend upon any one man, the destiny of our nation cannot be attributed to any one man, nor can it be equated to the lifetime of any one man.

We all wish the Honourable Prime Minister good health and long life, but at the same time we say that it is our bounden duty now and at all times to strive to ensure that our nation will exist and prosper long after the lifetime of many generations of Malaysians.
We consider realistically that it is our duty as loyal citizens of this coun try to point out that the precedent established by the Honourable Prime Minister, Tunku Abdul Rahman, by amending the Constitution so drasti cally as to dismember one of the most important States of our nation from our Federation all within three hours is a dangerous one—and we say, so, Sir.
As a matter oi fact, when preparing my motion, I was then concerned largely with the feelings and the sensi tivities of the people of our nation following the eviction of Singapore.

However, since then, the Honourable the Prime Minister has seen it fit to publicly state that there are irrespon sible extremists within his own Party, who are trying to topple him from power.
We can all immediately realise that if such an untoward situation were to arise, and if the power of governing this country were to fall into the hands of the dire peril that our nation would be placed in, if the extreme chauvinist elements were to make use of this same kind of precedent.
irresponsible elements, these that It is clear that only positive way whereby we can ensure that such dangers do not go on growing until the entire nation is destroyed is to the people of our make sure country must be given time to think over changes to the Constitution, and that their representatives in Parliament must be given adequate time to consult the people before major changes to the Constitution are passed.
I appeal to everyone in this House, Sir, that we must be very firm over the meaning of the words "sanctity of our Constitution", that as representatives of the people, Members of Parliament should not come under the Party Whip when matters concerning amendments to the Constitution are debated; other wise, as on August 9 this year, the ranks of the Alliance could be turned into rows of puppets or statues in a wax museum, and the democracy of our time will go down in history as museum, and the democracy of our in history as time will go down "WAYANG KULIT" democracy.
Time, Sir, is the most important factor which will determine the stability of our Constitution.

The more quickly and the easier it is for us to make amendments to our Constitution, the less stable will our Constitution be.

Sir, my motion and the bill implied by it seeks to provide our members of Parliament and the people of our country with more time to reflect and to consider proposed changes of our Nation's Constitution.
We have recent examples in our own legislation where, after some period of time for reflection, the Government finally considered it 1959 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1960 necessary to withdraw or amend the legislation.

The most important, recent, example is, of course, the one which to the involved the right of appeal Privy Council, where because the people of our country had the oppor tunity and the time to think and to consider and the legislation, it was eventually put aside for the time being.
to protest against Now, Sir, the Constitution is our most sacred and our most important legislation.

Under the circumstances, Sir, my motion seeks to provide that there shall be interposed a mandatory interval of at least one month between the date of introduction of a Bill to amend the Federal Constitution and the date upon which such Bill is to be taken through its second reading.
Al though I have in the course of my debate referred to certain unhappy events and to certain highly controver sial and emotional statements, I have done so not in the spirit of back biting or of unwarranted criticism.

I would like to assure all the Members of this House that whilst the events of triggered August 9 precipitated and my motion today, for a long time past I have been deeply concerned over the slow erosion that was taking place in the stability of our Constitution.
No one who has a spark of democracy in his heart, no one with the slightest appreciation of the economic, political, social and human relationship between Singapore and the rest of Malaysia, could have remained unmoved by what happened on August 9.

But, Sir, my motion, I again repeat, is not concerned with what has already happened.
My thesis is that the very least we should do today is to re-assure the people of our country that our Constitution is sacrosanct and stable, and we should ensure that the Constitution amend ment must never, never, never again be steamrolled through without ade quate time given for consideration and decision.

The people must be consult ed, the people of our country must be given time to think and to reflect upon the consequences of these amendments.
People must be given the opportunity to tell their elected representatives what they think about the proposed consti tutional amendments.

The Members of this House must be given the time and the adequate time to ponder over the importance and significance of the constitutional amendments which they have been asked to make.

I move this motion, Sir, in the inter ests of preserving and sustaining the spirit of democracy which our consti tution has hitherto ensured.
I move this motion, Sir, not in the interests of any one section of our people, or to the interest of any one colour or partisan ship.

I move this motion, Sir, in the interests of the people of our nation who are concerned with the present instability, and also their concern over the future destiny of the generations to come.
Sir, I have at the beginning already pointed out that under Standing Order 49 (4) that if my motion receives the support of this House, then the Bill which is implied stand referred without discussion to the Minister concerned.
Therefore, Sir, I urge the Members of this House to consider the importance of my motion which, in effect, seeks, I repeat again, to give more time to the Members of this House to consider the proposed amendments to our Con stitution and to ensure a thereby greater stability in our Constitution.

I urge the Members of this House to consider the merits of my motion in a non-partisan manner, and to put na tional interests above everything else.
Sir, I urge this House to support the motion standing in my name.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, in rising to speak on the motion before this House, I am grateful to you for allowing me the opportunity to speak.

As you are aware, I also sent in a similar motion seeking the leave of this House to introduce a private member's Bill on the same subject.

The Member for Tanjong, however, has submitted his request earlier, hence his motion is on the order paper, and mine is not.
I wish to assure this House that there was no collusion on our part.

In fact, time past we were locked together in a bitter struggle at Ayer Itam in Penang from which our for some 1961 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1962 candidate, Enche' Lim Kean Siew, who was here just now, who is also the Member for Dato Kramat, emerged victorious, thus confounding the prophets of doom sitting opposite us.
Mr Speaker, Sir, in supporting this motion, like the Member for Tanjong, I do appeal to Members of this House to look on this Motion on a non partisan basis, because the fundamental liberties enshrined in our Constitution does not affect us on this side of the benches alone.

It affects all of us in this House—indeed, it affects the whole country.
And as such under our Stand ing Orders, unless we get the leave of this House to present a private mem to ber's Bill, present a private member's Bill will be aborted, if this House does not support both the Member for Tanjong and I. this motion of ours Mr Speaker, Sir, the fact that my Party, the Socialist Front, is willing to support a motion tabled in the name of another Party on the opposition benches shows quite clearly that on issues affecting the fundamental liber ties guaranteed under the Constitution, whatever our differences may be, we are prepared to bury the hatchet and act together as one, in order to pre serve what little freedom that is left to us.
Mr Speaker, Sir, it is true to say that the manner in which the Constitu tion and Malaysia (Singapore Amend ment) Bill had been steamrolled through this House at its last session is not only disgraceful but has given rise, as the Member for Tanjong has clearly put it, to a great deal of con cern and misgivings the intention of the Alliance Government to abide by the parliamentary demo cracy.
regarding Mr Speaker, Sir, we are a nascent democracy and so it behoves all of us, whether we be on the Government benches or on this side of the House, to nurture and nourish this nascent democracy, so that time attain maturity.

But the high-handed way in which the Alliance Government has amended the Constitution without regard to the feelings not only of those of us on this side of the House but also the people of the country shows it will in that the Government merely pays lip service to democracy.
Mr Speaker, Sir, since May, 1964, there have been four constitutional amendment Bills passed by this House.

Let me enumerate them: The Constitution (Amendment) Bill, introduced on 6th July, 1964, passed by the Dewan Ra'ayat on 10th July, 1964, passed by the Dewan Negara on 23rd July, 1964. introduced The Constitution and Malaysia Act first (Amendment) Bill on 1st March, 1965, but lapsed on prorogation.
It was re-introduced on 26th May, 1964, passed by the Dewan Ra'ayat on 31st May, 1964, and passed by the Dewan Negara on 7th June, 1964.

The Constitution and Malaysia (Singapore Amendment) Bill intro duced on 9th August, 1964, passed the Dewan Ra'ayat on 9th by August, 1964, and passed by the Dewan Negara on 9th August, 1964, as well.
times The Malaysia Act (Amendment) Bill introduced on the 10th August, 1965, passed by the Dewan Ra'ayat on 11th August, 1965, and passed by the Dewan Negara on 16th August, 1965.

Mr Speaker, Sir, many in the past Opposition Members have expressed concern that amendments to the Constitution have been undertaken so light-heartedly by the Government that both the Opposition Parties and the people of this country have been given too little time to think about the proposed constitutional amend ments.
If I remember rightly, none the Minister of Justice other himself assured us, that where any major amendment was proposed, we would be given sufficient time to consi der the proposed changes.

Alas, the solemn promise given by the Minister was indeed a hollow one, for on August 9, 1965, we saw the disgraceful way in which, in the space of three hours, as has been pointed out by the Member for Tanjong, Singapore was kicked out of Malaysia.
The Govern ment may well congratulate themselves on the manner in which they brought off the coup d'etat, but there is no than 1963 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1964 doubt that all sections of our people are extremely concerned at the manner the Constitution and Malaysia (Singa pore Amendment) Bill has been bull dozed through the Dewan Ra'ayat.
Not only that, it is true to say that a large section of the rank and file, and indeed a large part of the leadership of the UMNO itself, was not only shocked but also angry and frustrated that they had not been this important issue.

None other than the former Secretary-General of the UMNO was constrained to send in his resigna tion.

consulted on As for the M.C.A.

and the M.I.C., only the respective Presidents were consulted and the other M.C.A.

and M.I.C.
and M.I.C.

Cabinet Ministers were ignored, let alone the rank and file.

It is true to say that a large section of the rank and file of the Alliance Party are not only thunderstruck but are also seething this with anger and frustration on matter.

Hence it is that both the Member for Tanjong and I have sought for checks and counter-checks, so that the events of August 9, 1965, will never be repeated again in this House.
Mr Speaker, Sir, let me now show very briefly how these safeguards are provided in other Constitutions.

take Let us the Constitution of Australia.
On page 437 of the Consti tutional Laws of the Commonwealth by Sir Ivor Jennings, Article 128 of the Australia Constitution Act read thus: 'This Constitution shall not be altered except in the following manner— The proposed law for the alteration thereof must be passed by an absolute majority of each House of the Parliament, and not less than two nor more than six months after its passage through both Houses the proposed law shall be submitted in each state to the electors qualified to vote for the election of members of the House of Representatives."
Mr Speaker, Sir, William S. Living ston in his Federalism and Consti tutional Change, page 117, explains the amending in described Section 128 of the Constitution as follows: procedure "Briefly its provisions are these: the pro posed Amendment must be agreed to by an absolute majority of both Houses of Parlia ment, after which it is submitted to a referen dum; in the referendum it must receive the approval not only of a majority of all those voting but also of a majority of those voting in a majority of the states.
If one House refuses twice to concur in an amendment proposal the Governor-General may submit it to the electors.

Anyway the representation or the territory of a state cannot be dimi nished without its consent."

Now let us look at the American Constitution.
Article V of the Ameri can Constitution entitled "the amend ing power" reads as follows: to "The Congress, whenever two-thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two-thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three- fourths of the several states, or by a con vention thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress."
in these three-fourths of Between 1789 and 1957, five thou intro sand amendments have been duced by Congress but only twenty- seven have actually been proposed.

been Twenty-two ratified still awaiting possible ratification.

Thus it will be seen that the Americans go to extra ordinary their Constitution is not tinkered and tam pered with at the will and pleasure of the Federal Government.
these is and one to see lengths have that the written law governs and convention Now let us see how things are done in the United Kingdom, the Mother of Parliaments.

Here there is no written rather Constitution the than passage of a Bill through the House of Commons.

When a Bill is presented, it gets a formal first reading.

This is then printed—presumably at least a day or two will lapse before it goes through the second reading.
We saw how the the Government presented first reading of Bills this morning— they do not even have the Bills printed for us to see.

In U.K. after the second reading the Bill is sent to Committee, it is then sent for the third reading which verbal to alterations.

There is no specification as this whole to passage will take.

But as a matter of practice, a Bill is debated fully in Committee in the House and in public, when the subject matter justifies it.
the number of days is only amend 1965 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1966 Mr Speaker, Sir, thus it will be seen that in Australia, the United States of America and in the United Kingdom there are adequate safeguards when to the Constitution are amendments proposed.

I that for one do not say the Constitution of Malaysia must remain inviolate.
But I do untouched and maintain that when the Government intends to amend our Constitution, it should not only give its own Members, but we on the Opposition Benches, and the public as well should be given, the adequate to deliberate on it proposed is passed by there must be no repetition of the disgrace ful events of the 9th August, 1965. time amendment before this House.

Surely Akhir-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Buku ini ia-lah Buku Perlembagaan Persekutuan Malaysia.
Apabila di- kehendaki oleh Kerajaan Pusat, Buku ini telah menjadi Buku yang suchi; tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apabila di-kehendaki oleh Kerajaan Pusat, Buku ini Kerajaan Pusat mengoyak, menjatohkan membuangkan.

ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Dengan saya menyokong di- usul chadangkan oleh Yang Berhormat Wakil dari Tanjong.

Terima kaseh.
Terima kaseh.

yang dan that The Deputy Prime Minister (Tun Haji Abdul Razak): Mr Speaker, Sir, the Government has no objection to leave being granted to the Honourable Member for Tanjong to introduce a Private Member's Bill as stated in this motion before this House.

The Honour able Member for Tanjong stated that he would always give the Government what he says a loyal opposition.

I can assure him the sentiment he expressed will be duly reciprocated.
is as much The Government Sir, concerned, the than members of the opposition, over what the Hon'ble Member for Tanjong called the stability on the Constitution the Constitution.

or Indeed, are aware, the Government has more than two-third majority in this House and the Government can effect amendment to the Constitution at any time the Government so wishes.

The fact that amendments to our Constitution have as Hon'ble Members the sanctity of fact, more in been indeed few, augurs well for the Government.
We have always consi dered any proposed amendment very carefully.

It is only when we consider it absolutely necessary that we bring the amendment to the Constitution to this House.

The Constitution makes provision for its amendment, as pro vided for under Article 159 (3), and vve have always followed that provision strictly legally.
However, Sir, I do hope that the Hon'ble Member for Tan jong, being one of those responsible for the original Constitution formulating of the Federation, would stand by his word and not from time to time go back on his own words.

that There is one matter, Sir, I would like to comment on the speech made by the Hon'ble Member for Tanjong.

The Hon'ble Member for Tanjong said that Members of this House must always be given time to consult their is constituents before any measure decided.
I must say, Sir, the Hon'ble Member is carrying demo cracy a bit too far.

If any measure, to be decided in this House cannot be so decided unless all the Members have had time to consult their constituents, obviously it is impossible to govern this country under our present demo cratic system.
The Hon'ble Member for Tanjong was elected by the people of his constituency, it is for him to make decisions from time, using his discretion and act in his best light; and it is for him to explain his actions to members of his own con stituency.

That is the way, Sir, demo cracy works the world and that is the way we should work democracy here.

in other parts of time to Sir, I do not wish to speak at length on what the Member for Batu said.

He obviously took the trouble to read some of the legal books.
I only wish to say this.

He should not worry about what happened within our Party—he said that some members of the Alliance, the UMNO, were concerned over the way in which the separation of Singapore was brought about.

As we explained, as the Prime Minister and Members of Government explained, on August 9, the separation of Singapore was a unique measure in 1967 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1968 our history; and we explained the circumstances in which we had to take the action in the way we did it.
So, I do not think we need go further into that at this stage.

I only wish to advise that the Hon'ble Member for Batu does not need to worry about what happens in our Party—we do not concern ourselves with what happens in the Socialist Front.

Indeed, if the Socialist Front chooses to disintegrate, I do hope that in the interest of the country it will do so as speedily as possible.

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: On point of clarification, Mr Speaker, Sir, the Ayer Itam result quite clearly shows that the party that is about to disintegrate is the Alliance; they got 2,600 plus votes against the opposition Anti- Alliance of 5,500 plus votes.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved.


That this House hereby grants leave to the Member for Tanjong to introduce a Bill, which may be cited as the Constitution and Malaysia Act (Amendment) Bill, to amend Article 159 (3) of the Constitution of Malay sia to provide that there shall be interposed a mandatory interval of at least one month between the date of introduction of a Bill to amend the Federal Constitution and the date upon which such Bill is to be taken through its second reading.
SITTING OF THE HOUSE (Motion) Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move: "That pursuant to the provisions of para graph (1) of Standing Order 12, this House hereby orders that during the present meeting the provisions of— (a) sub-paragraph (a) of paragraph (1) shall be construed as if for the words 'or Thursday' there were substituted the words Thursday or Saturday'; (b) paragraph (3) shall be construed as if there were for substituted the word 'Saturdays'.".
the word 'Fridays' Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tujuan-nya saya membawa usul ini ia-lah supaya membolehkan Dewan ini bersidang pada hari Sabtu, sebab pada per- sidangan ini ada beberapa banyak perkara2 yang di-kehendaki di-bin- changkan, dengan sebab itu mustahak- lah Dewan ini bersidang pada hari Sabtu.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, "That pursuant to the provisions of para graph (1) of Standing Order 12, this House the present that during hereby orders meeting the provisions of— (a) sub-paragraph (a) of paragraph (1) shall be construed as if for the words 'or Thursday' there were substituted the words "Thursday or Saturday'; (b) paragraph (3) shall be construed as if there were 'Fridays' for the word substituted the word 'Saturdays'.".
BILLS THE MAJLIS AMANAH RA'AYAT BILL, 1965 (Postponement of Second Reading) Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menchadangkan Rang Undang2 yang bernama "an Act bagi menubohkan satu perbadanan yang bernama Majlis Amanah Ra'ayat dan bagi maksud2 yang berkenaan dengan- nya" di-bacha pada kali yang kedua- nya.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, will the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister allow me to seek a point of clarification?
Mr Speaker, Sir, just now we talked about how things have been steam-rolled this House.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I have received this Order for the day perhaps 3 or 4 days ago, but I received this Bill only this morning when I came here; and now the Government expects us this Bill without to go through having read through it.

through Mr Speaker, Sir, in all sincerity.


I appeal to the Government that they should postpone the second reading of this Bill, so that we on the opposite benches here can have at least time to read through it.

You will agree with me that this is a very important Bill, because it affects the lives of a great number of people.
Consequently, I do wish to make it quite clear—and I think I am speaking for all of us on the this side of the House—that Government seeks this Bill and get it through all the stages, we on this side of the House will not discuss this Bill.

if introduce to Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah (Kelantan Hilir): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, 1969 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1970 nampak-nya Kerajaan terburu2 menge- mukakan undang2 ini buat di-bacha pada kali kedua, dan kami tidak ada langsong peluang untok mengkaji ini.
Saya minta supaya di- perkara tanggohkan second reading-nya kapada masa yang akan datang.

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Mr Speaker, Sir, there is no need for the Honour able Member for Batu to speak with vehemence.

We on this side of the House, the Government, are always fair and reasonable, and if it is the wish of the Opposition that they would like to have time to consider this Bill with your agreement, Sir, I am pre pared to postpone it to another date.
in tabling this was approved by I must regret that there has been some delay this Bill.

the Actually Government some time ago.

However, if the Honourable Member wishes to defer consideration of the Bill until tomorrow or some other day, with your permission, I will gladly do so.

(Applause).

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: I thank the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister!
THE INSURANCE (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading The Assistant Minister of Finance (Dr Ng Kam Poh): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "An Act to amend the Insurance Act, 1963" be read a second time.

After two years of administration of this Act, experience has shown that a few amendments are advisable.

if At present the Insurance Commis sioner has no power to refuse registra tion of an applicant company it complies with all the technical require ments.
Clauses 2 and 3 of the Bill allow the Minister discretion to refuse registration to insurance companies on technical grounds.

The other the right of applicant would retain appeal against the Commissioner but not against that of small the Minister.

The is insurance market insurers already is too operating.

Competition which relatively in Malaysia crowded with 95 the decision of than intense tends to induce a high cost factor which is not in the best interests of the insuring public.
The proposed Ministerial discretion provides a flexi bility of approach to varying circum stances as they arise.

to In the Second Schedule the Insurance Act, 1963, a wide range of securities is authorised for insurance funds and deposits.

There is an insuffi cient degree of selection for securities permitted as statutory deposits.

Clause 4 of the Bill is designed to permit a higher degree of selection of securities used as statutory deposits.
Government loans, loans to statutory bodies, fixed deposits with banks or cash would be accepted automatically.

Shares, deben tures of companies, mortgages on land to careful etc., would be subjected scrutiny.

insurers disclosed The Insurance Commissioner in his Second Annual Report drew attention to the extent to which general insurers have allowed credit for premiums and the serious effect this can have on the the Malaysian financial stability of insurance funds of these companies.
The extent of this credit was unknown when the Act was drafted.

From the returns received during 1964, twenty- three general that their States of Malaya insurance fund comprised assets of which 30 per cent or more were outstanding or uncollected premiums.

Three even exceeded 98 per cent.

In the event of a winding up of the fund these assets would be of little value, as the cost of securing pay ment would most likely be too high.
Clause 5 of the Bill aims to limit the amount of outstanding premiums and agents' balances which may be claimed as an asset of fund.

the Provision to phase the limitations over a period of years has been made in order to avoid undue embarrassment to the companies concerned.

insurance An alterative method would be to legislate for payment of premium before commencement of risk, allowing a bank guarantee or monthly settlement in lieu of a cash payment.
Government has not chosen this method as, given protection reasonable policy owners, should be the companies allowed to manage their own affairs for 1971 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1972 in the atmosphere of free enterprise.

This system of control would entail Government inspection of company offices which is an added cost and for staff would not be which readily available.
trained Clause 6 of the draft Bill seeks to rectify an oversight in the Insurance Act and ensure and accounts of insurance companies as a whole are available for public inspec tion.

reports that for the available Section 44 of the Insurance Act makes provision for the early payment of death claims where the proceeds of the policies do- not in the aggregate exceed $10,000.

This is a usual type of provision to allow ready money to be next-of-kin.
However, until evidence is produced that estate duty has been paid or that the estate is exempt from duty, 10 per cent of the claim monies must be withheld.

If this 10 per cent is not claimed within 12 months, the insu rance company concerned is required to deposit the Treasury.

Clause 8 of the Bill requires a certification of compliance to appear on the balance sheet.

Sir, I beg to move.

amount with the The Assistant Minister of Education: (Enche' Lee Siok Yew): Sir, I beg to second the motion.
Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Speaker, Sir, in the introduction of this Bill, the Honourable Assistant Minister for Finance did indicate something very interesting.

As a matter of fact, the whole of this morning's session has been very interesting because it shows Government in a spirit of concession introducing and co-operation.

In his remarks he did mention the fact that the Act has gone on for two years, and it is only now that we are seeking amendments to it.
The amendments that have been provided for are com mendable.

Sir, however, as was said in the speech by the Honourable Assis tant Minister for Finance, the previous Act did allow of the development of ignominiously cailled what has been "mushroom insurance companies", and he has also mentioned the fact that there was an amazing situation where in the amendments companies did not collect premiums amounting up to 30%, and in the case of three companies up to 98%.
I think Sir, the reasons why the Government the has moved amendment list for the Insurance Act receive all our support.

However, Sir, it is a pity that no measure can be made in the case of those companies, the which had mushroomed under previous Ordinance, and had created hardships on the members of the public subscribing to the insurance, whereby they can claim back their premiums, where the companies had closed down.
Sir, that, I feel, is a matter of tragedy, and to if only Government were remember the lessons of the day and give us time to think, consider, before we pass Bills of this type, I am quite sure the Honourable Assistant Minister for Finance, had he been a Member in 1959 in the House, would have probably objected to the original Insurance Act as it was framed.

Sir, the present amendments have all our support.


that I hope for early that provision review, rather than two years, will be made for the present amendments in the event that they do not work out as well as they should, so that we need not have to wait for two years before effective amendments can be made.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time.

Sitting suspended at 12.55 p.m.


Sitting resumed at 4 p.m. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) THE INSURANCE (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Debate resumes.

Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish to thank the Mr Speaker: I have already put the question.

Do you now wish to speak?

Dr Ng Kam Poh: Yes, Sir.

I wish to reply to the Honourable Member for Tanjong.

1973 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1974 (Mr Speaker indicates assent).

Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I thank the Member for Tanjong for supporting me in this Bill.
In voicing his support he brought up several points of refer, this House.

I firstly, the mushroom companies which he had mentioned and, secondly, that we had taken two years before we can provide amendments to the Bill.

interest to to On the first point, I would like to remind him, as he has said, that, if I were a member of this House in 1963 when the question of mushroom com panies was brought up, I would probably have objected to the Insurance Act of 1963.
To clarify this, I was not a member of this House then.

So, the question does not arise.

Secondly, the House had passed the Insurance Act in 1963 then, and as it has been passed it must have had the support of the House.

Again, I wish to remind him that not only the support of the House was given, this very Act was debated on the platform of the various Parties concerned during the election of 1964.
On his second issue about our taking two years to amend this Act, he must remember that the Act was passed in 1963 and it takes at least one year for the Insurance Commissioner to work on it before a report can be submitted and recommendation made to amend the Bill.

The report was tabled on April 29, 1965.

So, the amendments to the Act were prepared when the whole of the annual returns were available.
In the Second Annual Report of the Insurance Commissioner loopholes have been discovered and therefore amendments were sought to close these loopholes.

I can assure the Honourable Member for Tanjong that the report of the Insurance Commis sioner will be presented yearly for the information of the Members of this House.

So, there is no necessity for him to doubt the efforts and duty of my Ministry.
Credit must be given when amendments of this sort are presented to the House and not just try to make an issue out of it.

This is a straightforward Bill which brings great benefit to the insuring public as a whole.

So if the Opposition were a loyal therefore, and good Opposition they should in every way amplify what I have said in my speech and praise the Govern ment when the Government has done the right thing.

Thank you, Sir.

Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House resolved immediately into a Committee on the Bill.

itself Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr Speaker in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 8 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.
THE MUI TSAI (REPEAL) BILL Second Reading The Minister for Welfare Services (Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan bin Haji Sakhawat AH Khan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun untok mencha- dangkan supaya Rang Undang2 yang berjodol "Undang2 bagi memansokh- sa-tengah2 Undang2 Berkaitan kan dengan Gadis Dara" di-bachakan buat kali yang kedua.
yang Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Undang2 Gadis Dara di-dalam di-tunjokkan Jadual kapada Undang2 ini yang seka- rang di-bentangkan dalam Dewan ini telah di-kuat-kuasakan sa-belum perang dahulu bagi mengawal penjualan anak2 perempuan yang berumor di-bawah 18 tahun untok maksud hendak di- gunakan mereka sa-bagai hamba mem- satu di-rumah, buat kerja perbuatan yang biasa di-amalkan dalam negeri ini pada awal2 kurun kedua puloh.
Gadis2 ini atau pun Mui Tsai, mengikut istilah yang di-gunakan oleh orang2 China, telah di-perolehi dengan jalan pemberian hadiah atau pun pusaka atau pun dengan jalan tebusan bagi menyelesaikan hutang piutang.

Sa-telah berpindah milek, anak2 gadis sa-bagai ini biasa-nya orang2 surohan yang tidak bergaji dan di-beri sara hidup yang sa-rendah2-nya kerana perkhidmatan mereka.
Amalan di-gunakan ia-itu 1975 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1976 sa-hingga di-Kelantan telah berjalan ini lebeh kurang tahun 1932, apabila undang2 telah di-kuat kuasakan bagi menahan pembelian gadis dara dalam negeri2 Islam—Negeri Melayu Bersekutu dan negeri2 Johor dan Kedah.

Kemu- dian, Undang2 sa-rupa ini juga telah dan di-kuat kuasakan tindakan di-Trengganu.
Di-samping menghapuskan pembelian gadis2 dara ini, Undang2 itu jua telah mengadakan berbagai2 pendaftaran gadis2 dara yang di-perolehi dengan jalan bagitu dan bagi mengawal akhlak tuboh badan dan kepentingan mereka.

Dengan ada-nya Undang2 ini bilangan Mui Tsai telah berkurangan dan tidak berapa lama sa-lepas itu amalan ini telah hapus semua sa-kali.
sharat bagi tahun Pada masa ini pemerasan perem- puan2 dan gadis2 yang berumor di- bawah daripada 14 ada-lah di-larang di-bawah kuat kuasa Un dang2 Kanak2 dan Orang2 Muda tahun 1947.

Sementara memperhambakan dan perniagaan gadis dan perempuan2 untok maksud pelachoran pula ada-lah di- tegah di-bawah kuat-kuasa Penal Code dan Undang2 Perlindongan Perempuan2 dan Gadis2.

Undang2 Gadis Dara yang di-nyatakan dalam Jadual kapada Rang Undang2 ini tidak lagi, oleh itu mustahak di- berguna mansokhkan.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan hormat-nya saya mengemuka- kan usul ini.

lapok dan telah Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately into a Committee on the Bill.

resolved itself Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr Speaker in the Chair) Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

MOTIONS THE CUSTOMS ORDINANCE, 1952 Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.
5) Order, 1965 Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move: That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of Sub-section 2 of Section 10 of the Customs Ordinance, 1952, the Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.

6) Order, 1965, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

146 of 1965 be confirmed.


Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ahli2 Yang Berhormat boleh-lah mengingatkan balek ia-itu dalam bulan Mach tahun ini, Dewan ini menetapkan satu peren- tah ya'ani order yang memberikan tariff kapada pembuat2 perlindongan Zip Fasteners dalam negeri ini.

Chukai sa-banyak 15% atau satu sen bagi satu inchi panjang—yang mana lebeh juga chukai tinggi—telah di-kenakan sa-banyak 15%.
Chukai2 atas Zip Fastener dan bahagian2 Zip Fastener juga di-kenakan dengan tujuan untok menahan pembawaan masok ya'ani "importation" bahagian2 Zip Fasteners yang murah bagi di-jalin sahaja di- dalam negeri "domestic assembly".

ini ya'ani itu ada-lah chukai juga Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-lah di- dapati bahawa satu daripada bahagian2 itu ia-itu rantai zipper yang bersam- bong2 ya'ani "continuous" zipper chain sa-banyak yang di-kenakan satu dari 15% pada hasil penting dalam perusahaan dalam negeri ini.
Rantai yang murah yang di-import ini mudah boleh di- jadikan zip telah menyebabkan perlawanan atau per- tidak adil kapada pembuat2 saingan di-dalam Malaysia akan barang2 itu.

Dalam keadaan yang demikian maka mustahak-lah di-kenakan rate chukai yang sama atas rantai2 zip fastener sa-bagaimana atas zip fastener juga.

Ini akan mempastikan perlindongan yang chukup bagi hasil2 Malaysia.

fastener dan ini Schedule ordered stand part of the Bill.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon menchadangkan.


Bill reported without amendment; Enche' Chen Wing Sum: I beg to read the third time and passed.

second the motion, Sir.

1977 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1978 Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of Sub-section 2 of Section 10 of the Customs Ordinance, 1952, the Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.

6) Order, 1965, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.
146 of 1965 be confirmed.

THE CUSTOMS ORDINANCE (CAP.

33) OF SABAH Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) (No.

4) Order, 1965 Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move: (3) of Section 8 of That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of Sub-section the Customs Ordinance (Cap.

33) of Sabah, the Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.

4) Order, 1965, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

147 of 1965 be confirmed.


(Sabah) itu ada-lah Tuan Yang di-Pertua, hasil kayu ya'ani "timber" di-Sabah ada-lah di- pungut sama ada sa-bagai royalty atau sa-bagai chukai ekspot dan di-dapati oleh Sabah sa-bagai hasil negeri-nya.

Rate royalty kayu2 ter- ta'alok kapada sharat di-kaji pada tiap2 tiga bulan oleh Kerajaan Negeri dan perusahaan kayu, serta boleh berubah2.

Sa-barang perubahan rate yang terbit tiap2 tiga bulan itu daripada kajian bererti perubahan chukai ekspot juga.
Dalam keadaan demikian dan mengikut Undang2 Kastam yang berjalan seka- rang perubahan chukai ekspot hendak- lah kemudian-nya di-tetapkan ya'ani "confirmed" oleh keputusan Dewan ini.

Telah di-tentukan kemudian-nya bahawa tetap 10% daripada harga kayu yang di- gezetkan dengan persetujuan Kerajaan Negeri.
Telah di-tetapkan-lah juga tertentu chukai untok di-ubah ekspot atas kayu pada 10% "ad valorem" Pindaan ini akan mempasti- kan supaya royalty dan chukai ekspot atas kayu itu sama, dengan tidak perlu lagi meminda rate tertentu pada tiap2 tiga bulan sa-bagaimana yang di- kehendaki dahulu.

Perentah ya'ani order ini membuat pindaan yang ber- tujuan demikian itu-lah.

royalty senentiasa-lah rate Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon menchadangkan.

Enche' Chen Wing Sum: I beg to second the motion, Sir.
Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of Sub-section (3) of Section 8 of the Customs Ordinance (Cap.

33) of Sabah, the Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.

4) Order, 1965, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

147 of 1965 be confirmed.

(Sabah) THE CUSTOMS ORDINANCE, 1952 Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.
7) Order, 1965 Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move: That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of Sub-section 2 of Section 10 of the the Customs Customs Ordinance, 1952, Duties (Amendment) (No.

7) Order, 1965, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

148 of 1965 be confirmed.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perentah ini bertujuan memberikan perlindongan tambahan kapada banyak jenis barang2 yang di-hasilkan di-dalam Malaysia.
Sa-bahagian yang lebeh besar daripada perkara2 yang tersebut dalam perentah ini telah di-masokkan di-dalam senarai pertama dan kedua Pasaran Bersama yang telah di-timbangkan oleh Lembaga Penasehat Tariff ya'ani Tariff Advisory Board.

Perchetakan perentah ini oleh Kerajaan pada 9 haribulan Oktober tahun ini ada-lah mengikut dasar yang telah di-nyatakan ia-itu untok meng- galakkan perusahaan ya'ani "industriali sation" dalam negeri ini.
Pada masa yang sama juga mesti-lah di-tegaskan bahawa ada-lah juga chita2 Kerajaan hendak melihat supaya perlindongan yang sekarang di-berikan kapada per usahaan2 Malaysia itu tidak di-salah chara menaikkan gunakan dengan harga2 sa-chara tidak adil atau pun menurunkan mutu barang2 buatan Malaysia.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon menchadangkan.

Enche' Chen Wing Sum: I beg to second the motion, Sir.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue 1979 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1980 of Sub-section 2 of Section 10 of the the Customs Customs Ordinance, 1952, Duties (Amendment) (No.

7) Order, 1965, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

148 of 1965 be confirmed.

THE CUSTOMS ORDINANCE (CAP.

33) OF SABAH Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) (No.
5) Order, 1965 Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move: (3) of Section 8 of That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of Sub-section the Customs Ordinance (Cap.

33) of Sabah, the (Amendment) Customs Duties (No.

5) Order, 1965, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

149 of 1965 be confirmed.


(Sabah) Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perentah ini di-niaksudkan untok menchapai dua tujuan: Pertama untok memberikan perlin- dongan tambahan kapada hasil barang2 Malaysia di-Sabah.

Kedua untok mengurangkan chukai atas banyak jenis bahan2 mentah (raw materials) dan jentera sa-hingga men- jadi kapada tiada sama sa-kali.
tidak sama Kesan seluroh-nya perentah ini ia- lah perusahaan yang di-dalam Sabah akan lagi membayar harga bahan2 mentah lebeh tinggi daripada rakan2-nya di-negeri2 di-Tanah Melayu ini ya'ani kechualikan ungkus pengang- kutan yang mungkin berbedza.

Per usahaan2 di-Sabah itu akan mendapat perlindongan dengan yang perusahaan2 yang sa-jenis dengan-nya di-negeri2 di-Tanah Melayu ini dan dalam banyak perkara mereka akan mendapat munafaat per lindongan pasaran seluroh Malaysia.
Sa-bagaimana dalam perkara Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.

7) Order, telah di-tetapkan oleh 1965, yang Dewan lebeh ini maka sa-bahagian besar perkara2 yang telah di-berikan perlindongan itu telah di- tambahan masokkan dalam senarai pertama dan kedua Pasaran Bersama Lembaga Penasehat Tariff.

daripada Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon menchadangkan.

Enche' Lee San Choon: Sir, I second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of Sub-section the Customs Ordinance (Cap.

33) of Sabah, the (Amendment) Customs Duties (No.

5) Order, 1965, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

149 of 1965 be confirmed.

(3) of Section 8 of (Sabah) THE CUSTOMS ORDINANCE (CAP.

26) OF SARAWAK Customs (Import and Export) Duties (Amendment) (No.
2) Order, 1965 Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move: (3) of Section 8 of That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of Sub-section the Customs Ordinance (Cap.

26) of Sarawak the Customs (Import and Export) Duties (Amendment) (No.

2) Order, 1965, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

150 of 1965 be confirmed.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perentah ini di-maksudkan sama juga saperti Cus (Amendment) (Sabah) toms Duties (No.
5) Order, 1965 dan di-harapkan menchapai tujuan2 yang sama juga di- itu.

Tidak perlu-lah negeri Sarawak saya melanjutkan keterangan mengenai-nya.

lagi Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon menchadangkan.

Enche' Chen Wing Sum: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

from some clarifications Enche' Stephen Yong Kuet Tze (Sarawak): Mr Speaker, Sir, I rise to seek the Minister.
Firstly, if I understand him is rightly, he says that this motion aiming at encouraging the local indus tries—in other words, putting into effect the proposed limited Common Market.

As far as the local industries in Sarawak, and Sabah for that matter, are concerned, I think it is quite clear that any product that is produced in these States by local industries would not be able to compete with the indus tries in Malaya.
Whatever may be the consequences of that, it is not for me to say: but I do feel that even if we are going limited introduce Common Market set-up, even though the local industries in Sarawak might suffer, the question would be whether, in Malaysia generally, the people this to 1981 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1982 would benefit by the introduction of this amendment to the import duties as a whole.
To my mind, even if the end result would be to give some form of impetus or encouragement to the local industries in Malaya, or Malay sia as a whole, the important con siderations are whether the consumers in Sabah and Sarawak would get, firstly, cheaper goods, and secondly, as good a quality of products as are imported.
the the products from Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like the Minister to know that even though on local paper industries in Malaya should be cheaper, because of the preferential terms now being proposed, in fact the consumers in Sabah and Sarawak are paying not much less than they used to pay for the products imported from elsewhere.

Furthermore, the quality of the goods produced in Malaya has not come up to the standard one would expect.

There are many reasons for it.


One of the reasons which was put forward by the Government was that the traders were trying to make more profit out of this scheme of things.

However, the Chambers of Commerce in Sabah and Sarawak have already made statements to the effect that it was not quite so.
the that although Sir, one of the reasons put forward was import duty might have been reduced, the freight charges and the handling charges for goods from Malaya to Eastern Borneo are much more than before, when the imports came from Singapore direct.

There are, of course, other reasons with which I would not like to bother this House.
The point which I would like to find out is, how far has the Ministry concerned really looked into the consequences—that is the effect on the market and on the consumers in Sabah and Sarawak which the introduc tion of this amendment would have.

In other words, by giving preferential treatment to locally produced goods, how much benefit the people on the whole will get?

Sir, this is another matter which, perhaps later, we may have to go into in much more detail, i.e.
much of the industries we know in Malaya are not completely owned by the citizens of this country.

Much of the big concerns here are, in fact, subsidiaries or branches of foreign companies, and all that they did was to set up a factory here with some semblance of local investment, but nevertheless, being fully controlled by people outside the country, they yet claim for preferential treatment in respect of their products.
So, although the people, who have got shares in the industries, might benefit these substantial benefit would go out of this country.

Therefore, how much of this benefit which accrues will remain in this country, when we are losing our revenue from import duty, if the goods were to come from the countries where these big industries were originally established?

These are the questions which, probably, when we come to to Governments policies, we have discuss much more fully.
However, at this stage I think the people in Sabah and Sarawak particularly would like the Ministry concerned to keep a very watchful eye as on the cost of living that might be affected by this amend ment.

it is, I think wrong merely to say that on paper the people there will benefit, will get cheaper goods.

If the end result is such that, in fact, people are going to pay more, then I think the Ministry must see to it that further adjustments should be made.
itu, ini berkenaan dengan ini Enche' Mohamed Yusof bin Man- mud (Temerloh): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka juga mengambil bahagian sadikit dalam usul yang di-hadapan tujuan2 kita untok menyekat Kementerian barang2 yang datang dari luar negeri kerana hendak menjaga kepentingan perusahaan2 negeri kita.

Saya puji atas tujuan2 tetapi saya memandang dari dua segi, terutama ia-lah untok menjaga kepentingan perusahaan2 kita yang besar.
Saya mengambil berat ia- lah timbul daripada menjaga kepentingan2 per patut-nya ini.

usahaan kita Kementerian ini memandang berat terhadap kenaikan harga barang2 hasil daripada Undang2 yang kita adakan ini.
Jadi, saya perchaya jika Kemen terian ini dapat sadikit kuasa penoh, jika di-dapati perkara2 yang tidak di- ingini timbul, saperti kenaikan harga terhadap keadaan2 akan Jadi 1983 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1984 jika barang2 ia-itu bila barang2 yang mengenai keperluan barang ra'ayat jelata yang kebanyakan-nya daripada orang miskin maka dapat-lah kenaikan Umpama-nya, di-awasi.
di-dapati ini, harga melebehi, patut-lah Kementerian ini boleh berkuasa memasokkan barang2 lagi supaya menjadi macham buffer stock, itu naik harga, maka kita benarkan di-bawa masok lagi barang2 supaya barang2 itu stable harga-nya.

Jadi dengan chara ini saya perchaya-lah kedua2 belah pehak, ia-itu pehak perusahaan dan perdagangan kita jaga, dan keperluan ra'ayat yang terdiri daripada orang miskin, pun kita jaga.

Jadi, saya harap ada dalam pandangan Kementerian ini berkenaan dengan perkara ini.
to Dn Lim Swee Aun: Mr Speaker, Sir.

Some very interesting points have been raised and I think, they deserve a very detail answer.

So, I hope the House will bear with me if I go into a bit in detail.

Sir, let us recognise the purpose, or purposes, of industrialisation—why do we want industrialise?
The people in Malaysia, both inside this House and outside this House, have heard more than once that our Minis ter of Finance has stated very clearly that we must try and save our foreign exchange, we must try to export more to earn more foreign exchange; other wise, we would find ourselves in a position, where we will not be able to import foreign goods, consumer goods, or capital goods, even if they are very very cheap and below cost.
So, one of foreign the ways exchange, and also foreign exchange, is through industrialisation.

We realise all this.

While we have been depending on the export of rubber, tin, pepper, palm oil, the world's market prices have been going down and, therefore, our export earnings in these areas are not increasing commensurate to the needs of the country.

So, it is necessary to industrialise to save and also to earn foreign exchange—and that must be fully understood.
Then, the second purpose of industrialisation is, of course, to create employment for our growing numbers of young people leaving the schools, and unless there is there will be a employment, conserving to earn then of living lowering of standards; and, thirdly, of course, through industrialisa tion we hope achieve higher to standards of living.
to the speaking than what comparatively Now, because our market is a small market, a small market, there are possibilities of certain manufactured goods manufac tured here costing slightly more than imported goods, because of the lack of volume, and we must be prepared to pay a little bit more for the local made goods as compared imported goods—that is one of the prices for industrialisation.
Some of you may want to know why, how is it possible that something made in, let us say a foreign country, could be sold here so is being much cheaper produced locally.

Sir, these are com mercial practices, which are being carried out by developed industrial countries to seek export earnings, to seek foreign exchange earnings.
One of the methods used by these developed countries is that if they have set up a factory with a capacity of 1,000,000 units of a certain product, whereas the home consumption is only 50% of its capacity—that the home market can only absorb 500,000 units and the capacity of production of that factory is one million units—then how do they work the costings?

Now, I have been told from reliable sources— manufacturers have from explained to me—the procedure is this.
Suppose the unit cost is $1.00 per unit; the factory can produce one million total cost of the units production is $1,000,000.

The home market can only absorb 500,000 units.

excess of Therefore, there 500,000 units which have find export markets.

Then, what they do is, they divide the cost of $1 million by 500,000 units giving a cost of $2.00.
They the goods—the 500,000 units—in the home market at $2.00 each, so that they cover their total cost for the 1,000,000 units; and the 500,000 units, the balance, can be exported and sold at any price—even below their cost production.

That is why Malaya, or Malaysia today has been one of the cheapest markets for foreign goods.
We have at that time therefore, abroad, to say is an that sell to is is 1985 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1986 the that never industrialised, and being a free market the import duties were very low.

Hence, it was very easy for these industrial countries to pour in their goods here—and, I think, all Honour able Members here will accept and will admit the Malaysian in market you have a wide variety of goods of the same type.
Take cars, for example, we have any number of makes of cars; brandy, there is any number of brands of brandy; cigarettes, any number of brands of cigarettes; shirts, any number of brands of shirts; cameras, thing.

Why?

same Because, here, they are able to compete on this procedures; and, invariably, if a factory is set up in Malaysia produ cing the same goods, the cost of produc tion will sometimes be slightly higher than the imported goods.

As I have said, this is the reason for it.


So, if we want industrialisation, we must be prepared to pay a slightly higher cost for some of the locally made goods.

However, there are other goods, made in Malaysia, which can be cheaper than the foreign goods, because we have the raw materials, where we have the advantage over the imported goods— these, we can produce cheaper than the imported goods.

That is, in general, the position of the costing of the selling prices of the goods.
Now, that Sabah and Sarawak have joined Malaysia, we are now one nation.

Before Malaysia came into being, we have several customs areas: the eleven States of Malaya we have two customs areas—the ten States of Malaya plus Penang, a free port; Sarawak and Sabah are two separate customs areas; Labuan is a free port and therefore, that is another customs area.

in So, there are five different customs areas in the nation of Malaysia.
In the Inter-Governmental Talks we had agreed that gradually we would bring all these customs areas into one.

Sir, on the 9th of October, that was the first process of trying to bring gra dually certain items under a limited common customs tariff.
Before this was done, the Tariff Advisory Board, which is an independent body with an inde pendent Chairman from New Zealand and a Vice-Chairman representing the territories and Malaya, had Borneo made public investigations into whether or not certain manufactured products in Malaysia should receive protection, and, if they should receive protection, what should be the level of protection.
Gentlemen of this House would have known that there were public meetings, evidences were given, and this Tariff Advisory Board had brought into consideration the effect of these new changes on the national economy, on the cost of living, on the question of availability of manufactured goods in Malaysia and also on their quality; and it was after careful consideration by the Tariff Advisory Board that this Order was produced.
Sir, the Tariff Advisory Board felt that we had now reached the stage where these items were involved, where new protective duties were given, that there was adequate supply and that the quality was competitive and com parable to imported ones.

Sir, there is, and there has been, a vicious campaign going around that locally made goods are poor in quality.

Sir, I have still not been able to pin point what exactly is the case, or what particular item is inferior in quality.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Sir, on a point of clarification—surely the Minister of Commerce and Industry is at fault.

It is the job of the Ministry of Com merce and Industry to popularise local products and if it loses out to foreign capitalists we are to blame, not the foreign capitalists.

Dr Lim Swee Aun: I think the Honourable Member has misunderstood me completely.

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

What I said was that there is a vicious campaign amongst the people of Malaya, saying that locally made goods are not up to standard.

Sir, it is hard to believe that most of the locally manufactured goods, which are manufactured in joint venture with foreign firms, from whom we used to import the same goods before, but which are now producing them here, should produce goods of lower quality.
Most of these products are made by reputable firms, but there is no point in mentioning them; and I think every body knows.

They are now in joint venture with local capital producing 1987 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1988 the same goods which once we used to import.

However, to ensure that there is sufficient quality, I am coming to this House to get approval for money to set up a Standards Institute to make sure that the locally made goods are up to standard.
Sir, the effects of these changes in duty rates recommended by the Tariff Advisory Board and put into effect by the Government on 9th October, as explained by the Honourable Mover, were two: (1) is that it brought into harmony the tariff rates in Sabah and Sarawak with mainland Malaysia on already certain manufactured here; (2) on the other hand, it has also removed duties from a number of goods from Sabah and Sarawak, which we felt were unreason able and the example here are certain drugs which they had to pay food duty which has now been removed—quinine, antibiotics, lycerides and certain medi caments.
goods which are Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, can we have a more detailed list of these?

Dr Lim Swee Aun: They are already in Statute Paper No.

150 of 1965; they are to be found in that Paper.

I am afraid the Honourable Member has for once not done his homework, Sir.

(Laughter).

Everything said is in here.

I do not want to read the whole lot in order to save the time of this House.

Where they are marked "nil" it means to say that duties have been taken away from all those items.
that Sir, therefore, it would be reasonable to expect the cost of quite a number of items in Sabah and Sara wak should have gone down.

But, apparently, from reports of the papers, there has not been this reduction and there are probably reasons which I am not fully aware of.

As the Honour able Member has explained, it is probably because of freight, because of direct the high shipment from mainland Malaysia instead of via Singapore.
However, in order to ensure that there should not be any exploitation as a result of these changes in tariff duties, a mission has been sent yesterday to Sabah and Sarawak consisting of representatives from Sarawak of the Industrial Development Divi sion, the Trade Division of my Ministry, the Deputy Chairman of the Tariff Advisory Board and, most im portant, manufacturers and members the Chambers of Commerce of of Malaya.
This mission will visit Ku- ching, Jesselton, and all affected areas, and have talks to try to solve the problems on the spot and to try and improve an easier flow of goods from the States of Malaya to these Borneo States, so that there would be adequate supply and there should be a reduction in the prices in a number of goods.
I was surprised that although we have taken off the import duty on out board motors, the prices of these out board motors in Sabah and Sarawak are still higher than they used to be before.

There must be some misunder standing, or misinterpretation, of the laws somewhere.

However, this team will be in these two States to explain and try to sort out this problem, and I do hope after that things will settle down.
But we must accept that in any structural change in the trading pat tern, it must take some time for the different areas to settle down and bring down the prices of goods.

Sir, these goods.
Sir, the Honourable Member for Temerloh has raised another point, and that is that he feels, or he suggests, that because we have started manu facturing and that some of our locally manufactured goods are higher in price, we should therefore allow free import of foreign goods, so as to bring down the the prices of whole idea of industrialisation, as I said just now, is to try and save foreign exchange and we probably have to pay, as a price for industrialisation, a bit locally made more goods.
That is why it is necessary for the Tariff Advisory Board to advise the Government on what level added duty, or added protection, should be given, so that imported goods would cost a bit more than local goods, as then only the local manufacturer can compete.
Sir, if we were to take away that protective element and allow foreign goods to come in cheaper than the locally made goods, then it would the whole of our purpose of defeat the price of in 1989 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1990 industrialisation, I hope I have got him correct.

Enche' Mohamed Yusof bin Mah- mud: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya men- chadangkan menetapkan sa-telah barang2 kita dengan harga yang tetap.
Tetapi ada manufacturer chuba meng- gunakan ka'edah menaikkan harga barang yang menjadikan barang itu tinggi daripada yang di-tetapkan oleh Kerajaan.

Sa-telah itu kita tidak boleh hendak paksa dia menurunkan harga.

Kita masokkan barang luar negeri supaya harga kita stable.

Dr Lim Swee Aun: There is mis understanding of his suggestion, but the point is this, Sir.
Whilst Govern ment is prepared to give protection to local manufacturers, we do have an agreement with the manufacturers that they should not take full advantage of the protective duty to be added to their retail price, so that the local con sumer has to pay more—and I give you one classical example in the ques tion of matches.
Although the import duty for one box of matches is very high so that a properly imported box of matches would cost more than six cents, we do not allow the locally made matches to be sold at more than five cents, and we have marked on the match boxes five cents.

So, similarly, with other products there is an agree ment between the Government and the manufacturer that they should not take full advantage of the tariff difference to make all that money.
However, if these manufacturers do not honour their promises, certainly the Govern ment has many, many, methods of bringing down the prices and the most simple one would be, as the Honour able Member has said, not only to import more foreign goods but to the duty.

The moment we reduce reduce the protective duty, the local companies will find that they are in very great trouble, and I am certain that they will play.

Thank you.
Thank you.

in Dr Lim Chong Eu (Tanjong): Mr Speaker, Sir, I had not intended to participate I listened to the extremely erudite expla nation on trade, conservation of foreign exchange, and industrialisation the purposes of the the mechanics of this debate until which Commerce brought to us.
the Honourable Minister of just Industry has and in to retain or bring The first point is that we in the State of Penang, and particularly the island of Penang, which is a free port component of the State of Penang, are greatly interested in this question of harmonisation of tariffs and, therefore, what is happening in Sabah and Sara wak naturally gives us great concern.
I was struck first by the fact that the Honourable Minister of Commerce and Industry repeatedly remarked that the sole purpose of industrialisation was to in conserve and foreign exchange.

He, however, in the course of his speech did stress that there were two other important factors.

One was the question of provision of employment, increase in employment, and the second one was the intention of raising the standards of living.
Sir, I feel that here is a situation I do not know whether in this particular debate the Honourable Minister was putting forth the Government policy or he was just giving us an illustrative example of economics of modern industrialisa tion where I do think that the Govern ment should really make up its mind as to which of these three factors, industrialisation for the conservation of foreign exchange, industrialisation for the increase of our employment, indus trialisation for the increase of our live lihood, which of these three factors find priorities, and how these three factors should be co-related and inter- balanced, because Sir, I feel that there is very important moral.
Our country is set on the path of industrialisation and the causes which set us on the path of industrialisation are not as simple as the Honourable Minister of Commerce and Industry has tried to explain.

I understand that he was just making it as plain as possible.

Sir, I feel that there are two points which the Honourable Minister should bear in mind.
The first is that in this question of harmonisation of cost of tariffs, Government should also attempt to provide for free interflow and free exchange of labour between the areas which are concerned, and the Govern ment should also provide for a wider 1991 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1992 dispersal of industrialisation.

I admit that this last point which I made was suggested by the fact that the Honour able Minister has suggested that a mis sion has already gone.
But I do suggest that the mission having gone yesterday is not good enough after two years of independence of Malaysia; they should have gone right at the beginning and by now we should be seeing even at least, if not a Mak Mandin in Sarawak or Sabah, the beginning of a Mak Mandin if not a Petaling Jaya.

Sir, the other point I would like to mention is Government's relationships with employees.
The Government trade union laws must be maintained, so that there must be stability, stability in the cost of labour, whereby Government can protect interest of its avowed increasing the livelihood patterns of our people and at the same time main taining a reasonable cost for labour.
Therefore, I believe that in most indus trial nations they do not attempt to difficult two equate problems, except by maintaining good labour relationships between employers and employees, and here think Government might well take the lesson to heart but I feel that the important point is to provide for, in long term planning, a fairly stable cost of labour.
these very I industrialisation, The other factor, Sir, I think which arose was that throughout his very long dissertation on the economics of our country, or of the Honourable Minister only mentioned the word "consumer" once and that was towards the end of the speech.
Sir, I have advocated to the Govern ment time, and Government had promised us for over a year that it would take steps, to pro mote the development of consumers' associations, that it would take steps to promote the development of con sumer government inter-liasion com mittees, and Government would provide facilities for the development of these organisations.
for quite a long think Sir, I the Government that may well take into account the fact that some of the most highly indus trialised nations have in recent years paid a great deal of attention to the by sufficient attention question of consumer reaction and consumer response to the industrialisa tion of the country.

I think we on our part with newly developing industries might just as well start off on the right foot.
Do not repeat the errors of the other industrialised nations, but begin in a proper way, in the modern 1965 way, and not in the 1955 way.

Sir, the position of the consumer is not being given the Government except for, I think, P.O.

5,000 or something like that.

I do not know what response P.O.


5,000 has brought the Honourable Minister con cerned, but I think the Government to should give serious consideration this question of developing consumers' interest, because consumers' interest will assist Government to give Govern ment a fair control over the rate of rise in the indices of consumer pro ducts.

After the Tariff Board has done its work the consumers' associations, the consumers' organisations, can take over.
Secondly, I think the development of consumers' organisations is very impor tant because they will provide a very legitimate and, from the political point of view, unbiased opinion as to whether consumer goods have gone up fairly or unfairly.

Thirdly, I think consumers' organisations will provide the country, the government, the manufacturers, and the industrialists with a fairly good index as to how our own local con sumer considers our local produced goods in relation to the foreign pro duced goods.
Sir, I think, the lesson here is that it is not enough for us to appeal to the emotions of the people in our country to buy locally produced goods.

It is very important for us to insist that our new industries should begin on the right footing with all the modern assets, with all the modern they can pro that know-how duce goods which are not only a little bit higher priced, because they are produced in Malaysia but because they are better than goods that come from abroad.
Sir, 1 enjoin the Honourable Minister and the government in their long examination of the industrialisa to tion process of our country not forget the importance of the consumer.

so 1993 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1994 in the purposes—is Dr Lim Swee Aim: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Member for Tanjong has no doubt touched on certain impor tant points.

In my explanation about the needs for industrialisation, it was natural that I had to try to make it simple as possible.
I agree fully with him that it is a very complex subject and that the purpose of industrialisa tion—it is not the sole purpose but one of to save foreign exchange and earn foreign exchange, I never said that it was the sole purpose.

I said that there were other purposes like employment, standard of living; they are all inter-related and they are all complex.

However, Sir, he has said that there should be free exchange of labour in industrialisation.
Sir, this is something the Central Government is quite happy to accept.

There is free the eleven labour movement of States in mainland Malaysia; a number of young people from Penang have moved on to the mainland to seek employment in industries, and it would be nice, of course, if industrialisation gets on in the State of Sabah and Sarawak, that there would be a free flow of people from mainland Malay sia to Sabah and Sarawak.
That, Sir, as you are aware, is a matter for the State Governments—to their immigration laws.

However, I would like to correct an impression which has been given by the Honourable Member for Tanjong, that there are no industries or no industrial estates in Sabah or Sarawak.
There is, in fact, already an industrial estate in Kuching and another one in Jesselton, where factories are already in production and this mission that has gone yesterday is not so much a question of urging them to go ahead with industrialisation but trying to solve the problems that have arisen as a result of these changes of duty on the 9th of October and trying to increase the flow of goods to bring down the prices to their proper levels.
the Honourable Member from Tanjong for laying stress on importance of consumers' associations.

I fully agree with him but I had pinned a tremen dous amount of hopes on the Honour for his very early able Member response to Government's appeal that indeed grateful Sir, I am relax the to there should be consumers' associa tions in this country.
The Honourable Member, as you know, Sir, started to launch the formation of a consumers' association and had a great idea of having it made into nation-wide one, but up till today, I am still waiting to see the creation of a national con sumers' association.

Certainly Sir, the Government is very happy if the con sumers take their own positive steps interests.
As this Government has said, we will even give them financial aid once that association is properly regis tered, but unfortunately up till today, Sir, that project of a national consu mers' association, which had been strongly sponsored and strongly voiced by from the Honourable Member Tanjong has not materialised.
this country would to protect in Dr Lim Chong Eu: On the point of clarification, Sir, I was under the im pression, from the past exchanges in this House, that the Government was to be forthcoming with its aid, in order to get the associations to develop to the stage the Government so wishes it from previous questions which I have put the Honourable to in Minister, it was quite clear that the financial aid was not forthcoming.
to be; but unfortunately this House Dr Lim Swee Aun: It would be forth coming once this association has been registered.

Question put and agreed to: Resolved, That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of Sub-section the Customs Ordinance (Cap.

26) of Sarawak, the Customs (Import and Export) Duties (Amendment) (No.

2) Order, 1965, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

150 of 1965 be confirmed.

(3) of Section 8 of THE CUSTOMS ORDINANCE (CAP.


33) OF SABAH Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) (No.

6) Order, 1965 Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move— That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue the of Sub-section (3) of Section 8 of Customs Ordinance (Cap.

33) of Sabah, the Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) 1995 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1996 (No.

6) Order, 1965, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

151 of 1965 be confirmed.


Mr Speaker, Sir, the export duty on illipenuts is at a fixed rate, whilst the export duty on illipenut oil was at 15% ad valorem.

Illipenuts are forest products in Sabah and Sarawak and in order that an incentive may be pro vided to manufacturers, particularly in Sarawak, to convert illipenuts into oil before exportation, the State autho rity has requested a reduction of the export duty of illipenut oil from 15% ad valorem to 5% ad valorem.
The Order before this House effects in the ad valorem such a change illipenut oil accor export duty on dingly.

this that with It change, manufacturers may be encou raged in the Borneo States to process these nuts, rather than export the raw material itself.

is hoped Sir, I beg to move, Enche' Chen Wing Sum: Sir, I beg to second.

locally Enche' Stephen Yong Kuet Tze (Sarawak): Mr Speaker, Sir, the Minis ter now proposes that the export duty be reduced by 10%.
That, of course, we hope very much would reflect in the price to be paid to the producers; and he also mentioned that it is hoped that the local industry might process these illipenuts.

Here, Sir, there is this question, of course, of the setting up of factories for this purpose.

I think the Minister of Commerce and Industry did mention that we might be able to cheaper manufacture goods because of raw materials.
Here, Sir, I would like very much that, if that is the policy of the Government to set up factories for the manufacture of these illipenut oil, it would be set up either in Sarawak or Sabah, where the raw materials is found, and not to be set up in Malaya, because by that time if the raw material is to be exported by ship to Malaya, the cost of freight, and so on, would not help in the reduc tion in the price.
I would like very into much account and in setting up factories should be given to the in Sabah or local Sarawak.

the encouragement industrialists this point to be taken Dr Lim Swee Aun: Mr Speaker, Sir, this effect of reducing the export duty from 15% to 5% will benefit a factory that will be put up in Sabah or Sarawak, because there is no export duty in Malaya, because we do not illipenuts here.
The whole produce intention of this is to encourage some body to start up some mills there to mill the nuts into oil and export the oil, because then it will be more profit able, rather than being charged 15% by the Government.

So, if a factory comes up, obviously the choice would be Sabah or Sarawak.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of Sub-section the Customs Ordinance (Cap.
33) of Sabah, the Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) (No.

6) Order, 1965, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

151 of 1965 be confirmed.

(3) of Section 8 of THE CUSTOMS ORDINANCE (CAP.

26) OF SARAWAK Customs (Import and Export) Duties (Amendment) (No.

3) Order, 1965 Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move, (3) of Section 8 of "That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of Sub-section the Customs Ordinance (Cap.
26) of Sarawak, the Customs (Import and Export) Duties (Amendment) (No.

3) Order, 1965, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

152 of 1965 be confirmed."

The purpose of this Order is the same as that for the Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) (No.

6) Order, 1965, which has just been confirmed by the House.

I need not, therefore, elaborate further on this.

Sir, I beg to move.

Enche' Chen Wing Sum: Sir, I beg to second the motion.
Enche' Stephen Yong Kuet Tze: Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like to follow up what the Honourable Minister of Commerce and Industry has said—it is more of a clarification really—and that is that I mentioned about the 5% export duty.

I had in mind what he said earlier about the abolition of these Customs areas.
He told us that there 1997 10 NOVEMBER 1965 1998 are five set-ups in Malaysia, and he mentioned that the eventual aim is to unify all these and try to set up one central one, and that if it does come about, the 5% will not apply to export to illipenuts, say, from Sarawak of Malaya.

That is the reason why I am asking, would that be the object of establishing these factories in Malaya rather than in Sarawak?
illipenuts if I produced Dr Lim Swee Aun: Sir, the question of export duty usually is charged on the export of raw materials, or primary commodities.

In this case, Sarawak, used to charge 15% on its value as export duty of illipenut oil.

That means to say, in Sarawak and, if I made it into oil, I had to pay Government 15% of its value in duty as export duty.
So, the effect of this is really to bring down the export duty to 5% only, so as to make it more profitable for me, who has illipenuts in Sabah, or Sarawak, to turn them into oil.

I hope the Honour able Member is clear now.

We are reducing the export duty so that the people in Sarawak, rather than export the illipenuts as they are, would do a further process—milling them into oil, selling them at a higher price in world markets—and pay the Government and make it more compe titive.
Therefore, if it is the fear that a factory would be set up in the States of Malaya to mill these nuts, then I can assure him that it would not be so economical.

It certainly would be more feasible and economical to set up the factory in Sabah or Sarawak.

less duty to Enche' Stephen Yong Kuet Tze: Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like the Minister to accept my apologies, because we are not told whether it is illipenuts states or No.

422 902, and that is the mistake that I would like to clarify.

illipenut oil.
illipenut oil.

It merely Dr Lim Swee Aun: In the speech of the Honourable Mover, he did specify illipenut oil.

(Laughter).

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue the of Sub-section (3) of Section 8 of Customs Ordinance (Cap.

26) of Sarawak, the Customs (Import and Export) Duties (Amendment) (No.

3) Order, 1965, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

152 of 1965 be confirmed.


THE CUSTOMS ORDINANCE, 1952 Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.

8) Order, 1965 Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move, is consequential That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of Sub-section 2 of Section 10 of the Customs Ordinance, 1952, the Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.

8) Order, 1965, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

153 of 1965 be confirmed.


This Order amends the classification of glucose and lactose in the First Schedule to the Customs Duties Order, to 1961.

This the amendment made by the Customs for Co-operation Council, Brussel, technical reasons.

This amendment is also in line with the Standard Inter national Trade Classification.
As Malaysia is a member of the Council, and the Malaysian tariff classification is generally in line with those of these two internationally recognised authori ties, it is desirable that we move in the same direction to avoid confusion in trading circles.

Sir, I beg to move.

Enche' Chen Wing Sum: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of Sub-section 2 of Section 10 of the the Customs Customs Ordinance, 1952, Duties (Amendment) (No.

8) Order, 1965, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

153 of 1965 be confirmed.

THE CUSTOMS ORDINANCE (CAP.

33) OF SABAH Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) (No.
7) Order, 1965 Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move, (3) of Section 8 of That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of Sub-section the Customs Ordinance (Cap.

33) of Sabah, the Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) (No.

7) Order, 1965, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

154 of 1965 be confirmed.

1999 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2000 This Order is similar to the Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.
8) Order, 1965, which has been confirmed by the House.

It amends the First Schedule of the Customs Duties (Sabah) Order, 1963.

Sir, I beg to move.

Enche' Chen Wing Sum: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of Sub-section the Customs Ordinance (Cap.

33) of Sabah, the Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) (No.

7) Order, 1965, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.
154 of 1965 be confirmed.

(3) of Section 8 of THE CUSTOMS ORDINANCE (CAP.

26) OF SARAWAK Customs (Import and Export) Duties (Amendment) (No.

4) Order, 1965 Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move, (3) of Section 8 of That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of Sub-section the Customs Ordinance (Cap.

26) of Sarawak, the Customs (Import and Export) Duties (Amendment) (No.

4) Order, 1965, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.
155 of 1965 be confirmed.

This Order is similar to the Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.

8) Order, 1965, which has been confirmed by the House.

It amends the Customs (Import and Export) Duties Order, 1963.

Sir, I beg to move.

Enche' Chen Wing Sum: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.
THE TREASURY BILL (LOCAL) ORDINANCE, 1946 Payment of Moneys from Treasury Bills into the Development Fund Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move, That this House, in exercise of the powers the conferred by Section 2 (ii) (b) of Treasury Bills (Local) Ordinance, 1946, hereby resolves that a sum not exceeding $200 million be paid the moneys received for Treasury Bills in the Consoli dated Loan Account into the Development Fund specified in the Second Schedule to the Financial Procedure Ordinance, 1957, for the purposes of such Fund.
from received that moneys Section 2 (ii) of the Treasury Bills (Local) Ordinance, 1946, provides, inter alia, from Treasury Bills issued under this Ordi nance may be paid, with the prior approval of the Dewan Ra'ayat into the Development Fund specified in the Second Schedule to the Financial Proce dure Ordinance, 1957. in for As Honourable Members will be aware, moneys the Development Fund are derived from appropriations to it from the Consolidated Revenue and Account, grants development that may be credited to it, and receipts from long term loans.
In this connection, receipts from the issue of Treasury Bills have been rising in recent months, and stood at nearly $393 million at the end of October this year.

defence It is considered appropriate in such circumstances that a sum not exceeding $200 million of such moneys should be paid into the Development Fund, as allowed under the Treasury Bills (Local) Ordinance, 1946, and if this House so approves.

Sir, I beg to move.

Enche' Chen Wing Sum: Sir, I beg to second the motion.
Resolved, That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of Sub-section the Customs Ordinance (Cap.

26) of Sarawak, the Customs (Import and Export) Duties (Amendment) (No.

4) Order, 1965, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

155 of 1965 be confirmed.

(3) of Section 8 of Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That this House, in exercise of the powers the conferred by Section 2 (ii) (b) of Treasury Bills (Local) Ordinance, 1946, hereby resolves that a sum not exceeding $200 million be paid from the moneys received for Treasury Bills in the Consoli dated Loan Account into the Development 2001 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2002 Fund specified in the Second Schedule to the Financial Procedure Ordinance, 1957, for the purposes of such Fund.
INCOME TAX ORDINANCE Exemption from Income Tax of the Monthly Allowances of State Assemblymen Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move, That this House, pursuant to the provi sions of— (a) section 102 (2) of Ordinance, 1947 of Malaya, the Income Tax the States of (b) section 88 of the Income Tax Ordi nance, 1956 of Sabah, and (c) section 101 (1) of the Inland Revenue Ordinance, 1960 of Sarawak, resolves that a member of hereby the Legislative Assembly of a State be exempted from the payment of income tax on the monthly allowance or, where a member is in receipt of a monthly salary, on that portion of the salary equal to the monthly allowance, received by him from State funds with effect from the assessment year 1963 for Members of State Legislative Assemblies in the States of Malaya and from the assess ment year 1964 for Members of the State Legislative Assemblies and Sarawak.
in Sabah Sir, by virtue of section 102 (2) of the Income Tax Ordinance, 1947, of the States of Malaya, section 88 of the Sabah Income Tax Ordinance, 1956, and section 101 (1) of the Sarawak Inland Revenue Ordinance, 1963, this House may, by resolution, exempt any person or class of persons from all or any of the provisions of the Ordinances.
Representations have been received from the various States of exemption the from monthly allowances received by State Assemblymen in the same manner as Members of Parliament are exempted from the allowances they receive as Members of Parliament.

It is considered that the request is reasonable, and it is accor dingly proposed the monthly allowances received by State Assembly men from the States should be exempted from income tax.
in respect of in respect of income tax income that tax Some State Assemblymen, however, received salaries instead of allowances from the States.

It is suggested that in the case of an Assemblyman who receives a salary instead of a monthly allowance, that portion of his salary equal in amount to the allowance of an Assemblyman in the same Legisla ture be also exempted from income tax.
In this manner, a Mentri Besar or Chief Minister will only be eligible for exemption in respect of that amount equivalent to the allowance drawn by other members of the Assembly.

This will be in line with the policy adopted in respect of Ministers and Assistant Ministers.

Enche' Chen Wing Sum: Sir, I beg to second, Sir.

Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah (Bachok): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak hendak berchakap panjang-lah, kalau sa-kira-nya Kerajaan sudah hen dak bagi kechualian daripada Income Tax.
Tetapi ada timbul di-sini satu ia-itu Ahli2 bagi Majlis Undangan Negeri, jikalau bekerja Kerajaan itu mendapat salary bukan elaun, maka salary itu juga atau gaji itu juga tidak di-kenakan chukai Income Tax dan yang di-beri ia-lah dahulu-nya Menteri Besar atau Ketua Menteri sahaja yang terta'alok di-bawah itu dan pada masa ini kita ada Timbalan Menteri Besar atau pun Timbalan Ketua Menteri.

Tetapi ada-kah pula masok juga mana2 Ahli yang lain yang bekerja di-dalam negeri itu mendapat salary bukan elaun.
Jadi erti-nya ini kita sudah memberi peluang kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat itu makan gaji sa-mula sa-sudah dia meletak jawatan daripada makan gaji untok menjadi Wakil Ra'ayat dengan jalan mendapat elaun.
Yang kedua, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apa kata pula kalau sa-kira-nya Mem ber Parliament, macham saya-lah mithal-nya, atau pun Menteri Muda sendiri, sudah mendapat elaun dan dia sudah mendapat dua kali elaun di- dalam Parlimen ini dan bekerja pula dengan negeri, mithal-nya negeri Johor, atau di-mana2, dan mendapat lagi satu salary.

Jadi tiga kali dia mendapat.

Ada-kah kemungkinan, ini bila berlaku, akan di-kechualikan juga daripada kena Income Tax.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya kata bagini sebab saya banyak-lah jawatan, saya ini orang Perikatan mengajak bekerja, jadi saya kata bagitu ta' kena juga itu.

Jadi ada-kah termasok juga 2003 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2004 Itu-lah di-dalam di-kechualikan saya minta penerangan daripada Men- teri Muda supaya terang-lah penjelasan yang di-beri itu.

ini.
ini.

Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang di-kechualikan daripada Income Tax hanya-lah elaun, kalau Parlimen sa-bagai MP dan juga kalau State sa-bagai State Assembly man.

Kemudian kalau sa-saorang itu, sama ada Menteri Besar atau Ketua Menteri atau pun Timbalan Menteri Besar, kalau dia menerima gaji maka sa-banyak yang sama dengan elaun sa-bagai Ahli Dewan Undangan Negeri itu sahaja-lah yang di-kechualikan daripada Chukai Pendapatan, yang sa- lebeh-nya itu akan di-kenakan.
Kemu dian kalau Timbalan Menteri Besar atau pun yang lain2-nya itu, sa-lain daripada elaun sa-bagai Ahli Dewan Undangan Negeri, mereka mendapat elaun lain, maka ini sudah tentu-lah di-kira sa-bagai elaun.

Tetapi jikalau di-kira sa-bagai gaji maka sudah pasti- lah di-kenakan Income Tax.
Perkara yang kedua ya'ani pada masa ini undang2 kita hanya menyatakan ia-itu kalau dia menjadi Ahli Dewan Ra'ayat, mithal-nya, maka pendapatan yang di-kechualikan daripada Income Tax ia-lah elaun sa-bagai Ahli Dewan Ra'ayat.

Kalau sa-lain daripada itu ia juga menjadi Ahli Dewan Undangan Negeri maka di-pehak negeri elaun- nya sa-bagai Ahli Dewan Negeri di- kechualikan juga daripada Income Tax.
ia-itu Tetapi saya sa-orang tahu Ahli daripada Parti Persatuan Islam Sa-Tanah Melayu juga menjadi Ahli Dewan Undangan Negeri dan menjadi Menteri Besar dan juga menjadi Ahli Parlimen.

Kalau hendak di-benarkan satu sahaja elaun-nya sa-bagai Ahli Meshuarat yang di-kechualikan, saya rasa perkara ini akan di-timbangkan untok di-kenakan chukai kapada orang2 yang lebeh daripada satu Dewan Meshuarat sa-bagaimana pada Yang Berhormat Menteri Besar Kelan- tan itu.
Tetapi kalau di-kenakan bagini, saya harap Ahli2 PAS, kalau hendak marah pun, marah-lah Ahli daripada Bachok itu sendiri.

jadi ahli Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Said (Sebe- rang Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam Bill ini perkechualian chuma ini di-kechualikan ta' di-kechualikan, di-kenakan kapada Ahli2 Dewan Ra 'ayat, Ahli2 Dewan Negara dan Ahli2 Majlis Undangan Negeri.
Jadi satu ia-itu orang2 gulongan perkhidmatan yang berkhidmat dalam Majlis2 Kera jaan Tempatan ia-itu Majlis Perban- daran, Majlis Daerah dan lain2, dapat juga elaun sa-banyak $100.

Jadi ada- kah orang2 juga.


Sa-kira-nya saya harap Yang Berhormat Menteri berikan-lah peluang perkechualian ka pada orang2 ini kerana mereka pun berkhidmat dengan sukarela dengan mendapat elaun sa-banyak sa-tinggi2- nya $100 dan sa-bagai Pengerusi Majlis mendapat $150 elaun jamuan, semua- nya $250, sama-lah juga dengan Penge rusi2 di-Majlis2 yang lain2.

Saya harap tolong-lah kaji sama di-atas gulongan orang ini kerana mereka pun berkhid mat dengan sukarela juga.
Enche' Hanafiah bin Hussain (Jerai): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka hendak bertanya kapada Menteri Kewangan, fasal apa di-pileh tahun 1963 untok di-kuatkuasakan pindaan undang2 ini.

Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya harap ta' ada lagi soalan.

Jadi saya hendak jawab perkara yang di-kemukakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Seberang Prai Selatan.
Perkara mengechualikan dari pada Income Tax elaun Ahli2 Majlis Meshuarat Tempatan, Bandaran, Muni cipal dan itu ada-lah sa-bagai-nya di-dalam pertimbangan Kerajaan.

Ke mudian Ahli daripada Jerai bertanya ini di-buat mengapa pengechualian mulai tahun 1963?
Sebab-nya ia-lah Ahli2 Parlimen ya'ani Dewan Ra'ayat dan Dewan Negara mendapat penge chualian ini mulai daripada tahun itu dan oleh sebab ini-lah Kerajaan berasa 'adil kalau Ahli2 Dewan Un lebeh dangan Negeri2 itu di-berikan penge chualian daripada ini mulai pada tahun atau pun pada tarikh yang sama.

Income Tax Question put, and agreed to.
Resolved, "That this House, pursuant to the pro visions of (a) Section 102 (2) of Ordinance, 1947 of Malaya, the Income Tax the States of 2005 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2006 (b) Section 88 of the Income Tax Ordinance, 1956 of Sabah, and (c) Section 101 (1) of the Inland Revenue Ordinance, 1960 of Sarawak, resolves that a member of hereby the Legislative Assembly of a State be exempted from the payment of Income Tax on the monthly allowance or, where a member is in receipt of a monthly salary, on that portion of the salary equal to the monthly allowance, received by him from State Funds with effect from the assessment year 1963 for Members of State Legislative Assemblies in the States of Malaya and from the assess ment year 1964 the State Legislative Assemblies in Sabah and Sarawak."
for Members of ORDER OF BUSINESS (Motion) Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move, That under Standing Order 14 (2), the House shall proceed forthwith to the consi deration of item No.

16 on the Order Paper for the day.

Sir, I beg to move.

Enche' Chen Wing Sum: Mr Speaker, the motion.

to second Sir, I beg Question put.

and agreed to.

Resolved, That under Standing Order 14 (2), the House shall proceed forthwith to the consi deration of item No.

16 on the Order Paper for the day.


Sitting suspended at 6 p.m.

Sitting resumed at 6.20 p.m.

THE DEVELOPMENT (SUPPLEMENTARY) (No.

2) ESTIMATES, 1965 Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move, That this House resolves that an addi tional sum not exceeding $42,865,942 be expended out of the Development Fund in respect of the financial year 1965, and that, to meet the purposes of the Heads and Sub-Heads set out in the second column of the Statement as laid on Command Paper No.
38 of 1965, there be the sums specified opposite appropriated such Heads and Sub-Heads in the 8th and 9th columns thereof.

the Table Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the motion standing in the name of the Minister of Finance on the Order Paper be referred to a Committee of the whole House.
Honourable Members will recall that the original Development Esti mates for 1965 amounted to $801.1 million and with the previous supple ment approved earlier this year, the estimates have been increased to $810.8 million.

For various reasons which I will give shortly, it is necessary to increase the approved provision in the Development Estimates by a further sum of $42,865,942 as shown in the Development (Supplementary) (No.

2) Estimates, 1965.
2) Estimates, 1965.

This will bring the in respect of all total appropriation expenditure the Development from the year 1965 to $853.7 Fund million.

It is not possible at this stage to say precisely what the expenditure for 1965 would be, but from present indications it is likely to be in the region of $615 million, which is rough ly 23% below the original Estimates.
Out of the amount of $42,865,942 now sought, a sum of $30,910,020 has been advanced from the Contingencies Reserve appearing under Head 153 of the main Development Estimates.
for It will be observed that the largest item of additional expenditure is in for respect of Head 107—Housing, which a sum of $10 million is required for the purpose of making loans to the Federation of Malaya Government Officers' Housing Society to enable that Society to make a fair start on the implementation of its housing schemes for Government servants.
Another sum of $425,000 has gone to the Sharikat Bekerjasama2 Persekutuan Kebang- the purpose of saan, Smgapura, for acquiring a block of Singapore Housing Trust flats at Gelang Serai.
The second largest item is for Head 126—Minister of National and Rural Development, is for which a sum of $7,068000 required for the purpose of emergency resettlement and regrouping schemes along the Kuching/Serian Road area, Sarawak, and in other areas in the Borneo States purely to ensure that there is complete co-ordination of the emergency aspects with the long term development requirements of resettle ment.
The largest supplement is in respect of Head 201—Prisons (Sarawak), sum of $5,961,500 is required for the 6th Mile for which third a 2007 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2008 for prison Camp at Kuching and quarters at Sibu.

The next largest supplement is in respect of Head 119— Treasury, for which a sum of $5 million is required for Bank Bumiputra as Government's equity investment in the Bank.

To enable this investment to be made, this House will be asked to pass a Bill to amend the Development Fund Ordinance.
Another large supplement is for Head 134—Drainage and Irriga tion, under which a sum of $3.5 million is urgently required for the construction of access roads to the Muda River Project area in Kedah.
in Of the smaller supplementary items, a sum of $2,502,010 is required for Head 137—Roads and Bridges and for the continuation of the rural road pro gramme the States of Kedah, Trengganu and Pahang; $2 million for Head 146—Ports, to meet the cost of land acquisition in order that general improvements in and around Butter- worth wharves may be undertaken; $1,460,000 for Head 208—Telecom munications, being the cost of acquiring 10 houses on 8 1/2 acres of free-hold land at Cable Road/Holt Road, Singapore, belonging to Messrs Cable & Wireless Ltd for the purpose of accommodating Federal officers serving in Singapore; and $1.4 million for Head 122—Educa tion, for the purpose of extending the capacity and improving the facilities of the College of Agriculture, Serdang, in order to increase intake and output to meet the urgent and vital needs of agricultural development.
The other items are relatively small.

The sum of $630,000 required under Head 199—Civil Aviation (Sarawak) is for improving Bintulu Aerodrome and the runway at Sibu airfield.

These improvements have been planned so that these airfields can take on the Fokker Friendship and other similar aircraft towards the end of 1966.

For the same purpose, an additional sum to augment of $400,000 is required Head 177—Civil Aviation (Sabah) to meet the development of Lahat Datu airfield.
Under Head 121—Minister of Commerce and Industry, a sum of $590,000 is required for the purpose of making loans to certain States to enable them to establish industrial estates.

The sum of $422,801 required under Head 103—Radio, is mainly for the improve ment and extension of overseas and funds Malaysian services.

Additional to augment other Heads amount to approximately $1.5 million.
There are also 10 items for which only token votes are required for the purpose of obtaining the approval of this House to total estimated costs of revise the creation of certain projects and new Sub-heads.

the Further details of the expenditures for which approval is sought will be given by the Ministers concerned when the Estimates are discussed under the various Heads during the committee stage.

Sir, I beg to move.

Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Sir, I beg to second.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, the explanation Sir, we have heard from the Assistant Minister of Finance.

Mr Speaker, Sir, the Second Malayan Five-Year Plan is now drawing to a close.

This House and this country has had the benefit of an interim report about the Second Malayan Five-Year Plan.
Mr Speaker, Sir, I do hope that when after the end of this year, and at an appropriate time next year, the Government will give us a final report of the Second Five-Year Plan, not only for our benefit and our education on this side of the House, but I am sure the Government in going back over the events of the last five years may well learn from re-examination and reap praisal of what has been done or left undone during the last five years.

I do hope that the Government will give us a report.
Next, Mr Speaker, Sir, if I hear the Assistant Minister of Finance rightly.

he did tell us about some sums of in money being spent on housing Gelang Serai, Singapore, the workers of Cable and Wireless, also in Singapore.

Mr Speaker, Sir, in view of the changed circumstances, surely the Government must re-examine whatever allocation made.
If this sum of money that is asked of this House is not spent, surely re examine the matter in the light of new the Government must for 2009 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2010 if political the situations; because Government persists in buying houses— I do not know for whom, perhaps for UMNO members in Singapore— then it may well be construed as an interference in the internal affairs of a neighbouring and, we hope, a friendly country.
Mr Speaker, Sir, I just want to say that this Muda River Project is such a huge project and such vast sums are being asked for—I myself know very little of it.—I do hope that when the is first Malaysia Five-Year Plan presented, we will have greater details of the Scheme, not only because of the vast sums involved, but because of the vast promises promised by the Govern ment.

We are told that at least, very roughly, the scheme alone is enough in to make this country self-sufficient rice.
As such, I do hope that the Government will give us more details of this Muda River Scheme.

improvement of Finally, Mr Speaker, Sir, I notice that there is an item here—it is on page 5, Ministry of Local Government and Housing, No.

20.

I notice that the sum of $650,000 has been spent on the extension and the Istana at Arau.
Now, I do know that this House has already approved that sum; but of course this House knows that the improvement and extension of any State property is not within the province of this House so desires.

Now after spending $650,000 we are asked today under the Second Five-Year Plan to provide for yet another expenditure of $150,000.

Now Mr Speaker, Sir, it is evident that $150,000 is being asked for.

this House, unless AN HONOURABLE MEMBER: loan.


It is a Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Ya, loan, but whatever it is, it is asked for.

You call it euphemistically a loan; you write it off later on.

(Laughter).

It does not fool anybody.

But whatever it is, Mr Speaker, Sir, we have heard time and again from our Deputy Prime Minister, who is Minister for National and Rural Development, that no money is hard to come by, the so-called Friends of Malaysia Club are a little worried and cagey about giving us money.
We are told that we gather from drips here and there, that this huge First Malaysia Five-Year Plan that is supposed to be $5,000 million with the eviction of Singapore comes automatically down to $3,500 million and that has been pruned down to $3,000 million, and that our little drips from bits here and there may well be below $3,000 million when they come through.
We are also told, Mr Speaker, Sir, that in future only projects that generate prosperity will be considered and that all prestige and non-productive projects will not be entertained.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not know under what category this loan of $150,000 comes under—whether it is prestige project, or whether it is a pros perity generative project—I do hope that this Government will practise what it preaches.
I, for one, cannot see how to extend an Istana can generate pros perity and that of course gives rise to all sorts of accusations from neighbours across the Causeway, from neighbours across the seas that we are this and that.

Then Mr Speaker, Sir, Christmas is near.

We are all today on the 10th of November; 25th of December is Christmas.

I do know there are lots of money left behind for spending.
Let us hope the various Ministries concerned do not go on a shopping spree because there is money here, let us quickly fulfil the targets and the like irrespective of whether these pro jects are profitable, or necessary, or are for the good of this country.
that pembangunan Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah (Bachok): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya perchaya bahawa tujuan Kerajaan meminta tambah wang yang tertentu sa-bagaimana untok yang ada di-hadapan kita ini tentu-lah tidak ada orang yang membangkang dari segi penambahan-nya itu, tetapi dari segi chara atau pun manner yang Kerajaan meminta dan membelanja- nya, di-situ-lah tempat-nya yang saya perchaya bangku Kerajaan sendiri pun akan bangun berchakap.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, satu daripada mithal2-nya yang dapat kedua pehak di-dalam Dewan ini memikir ia-itu di- dalam bulan sa-belas ini, kita meminta lebeh daripada $42 million dan apabila pehak 2011 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2012 di-benar, atau pun Dewan ini mem- benar, apa-kah yang dapat Kerajaan Pusat membuat-nya dalam masa yang bagitu singkat menuju kapada akhir tahun, mahu tak mahu, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, ada satu jalan ia-itu Kerajaan Pusat mesti-lah memaksa tiap2 Negeri (State) supaya menyediakan projek2 dan membelanjakan wang itu dalam masa yang tertentu yang singkat, di-sini-lah akan timbul-nya gopoh-gapah dalam perlaksanaan projek2 itu.
tahu, jambatan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mithal-nya tidak ber- di-negeri Kelantan, saya chakap atas nama negeri Kelantan, tetapi di-kawasan saya di-Bachok ada projek2 kechil yang di-katakan akan mendapat bantuan daripada Kerajaan sa- Federal yang mesti di-jalankan belum daripada habis tahun ini.
Di- negeri Kelantan patut-lah ahli2 di- pehak Kerajaan ia-itu dalam musim bulan sa-belas, dua belas ini banyak hujan dan ribut; dan projek2 itu tidak dapat di-jalankan, mithal-nya hendak membena jalan, hendak mem buat titi, apabila hujan turun kerja2 itu tidak dapat di-buat oleh orang2 yang bekerja itu.
Jadi ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau di-beri $1 million pun di-dalam masa satu bulan tidak sempat membuat apa2 di- kawasan macham kawasan Bachok itu dan saya perchaya di-kawasan2 yang lain pun akan mengalami juga kesulitan2 yang sa-macham ini.

Jadi.
Jadi.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apa-kah niat Kerajaan Pusat kalau tidak Kerajaan Pusat, apa-kah niat daripada Kementerian yang berkenaan itu mem- beri bantu wang dengan memberi masa yang bagitu suntok, tidak-kah ini satu sendiri sabotage Kerajaan chara sendiri projek Kerajaan terhadap hendak menekankan dengan negeri2 opposition supaya Kerajaan Pusat dapat berkata, "Kami telah memberi duit, tetapi kamu tidak dapat membuat kerja2 itu."

Ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, D.O.


atau pun Pegawai tiap2 Jajahan yang Daerah dalam mendapat wang akan merasa kesulitan2 apabila Menteri dan wakil2 ini melawat kapada Bilek2 Menteri Gerakan Ranchangan Kemajuan yang di-bawah development yang kita minta duit pada hari ini.
Ini, Tuan Yang di- niat pun itu tanah kemajuan ranchangan Pertua Menteri2 kita ini memikir bahawa di- Luar Bandar atau pun di-tempat2 yang bukan Kuala Lumpur ini, mereka suasana menyangka keadaan hujan dan panas itu sama dengan Kuala Lumpur—tidak, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, berlain.

Jadi chara berfikir orang2 yang di-Kuala Lumpur, di- tidak dalam bilek dingin dapat membuat satu gambaran projek bagi kawasan2 Luar Bandar mengikut chara yang di-fikir di-sini.
Ini Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang saya sebut tadi, tidak ada orang yang hendak mem- bangkang dari segi penambahan itu, tetapi dari segi manner dan chara terselit satu2 niat yang saya nyata perchaya niat ini, mudah di-tafsir oleh Menteri Perdagangan sebab banyak- lah itu chorak-nya.
yang macham kerja2-nya tentu-lah Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ini berkenaan dengan projek2 besar, saya pun tidak dapat-lah hendak meneka, atau pun hendak meramalkan mustahak-nya Sungai Muda, Projek Sungai Muda dan ada satu kawasan lagi di-utara juga di-negeri Pahang, dan bagitu tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang dapat saya gambarkan di-dalam kita membuat development bagi negara kita ini, atau pun kemajuan bagi penting-nya ini—yang negara kita bukan-lah projek2 yang besar yang konterektor2 boleh menguntongkan daripada gulongan kapitalis, tetapi ia-lah projek2 yang boleh di-katakan kechil, tetapi mempunyai faedah sa- chara langsong kapada ra'ayat jelata, itu chepat dapat di-rasa dan faedah oleh itu sendiri.
Ada pun, mithal-nya Perdana Menteri hendak- satu kan di-negeri-nya mempunyai terbesar sa-kali dalam projek yang Malaysia Perdana dan Timbalan Menteri pula hendakkan satu projek yang terbesar pula yang nombor dua di-negeri Pahang, dan ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, membawa kapada ra'ayat menunggu buah development itu lam- bat dan ini akan mengakibatkan apa bila ada pilehan raya, saya perchaya nasib Kerajaan Perikatan akan men- jadi nasib-nya di-Ayer Hitam dan saya uchapkan ta'ziah kapada Kerajaan Perikatan dalam perkara itu.
(Ketawa).

ra'ayat 2013 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2014 Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

pada umum-nya dengan rengkas-nya, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, ia-itu masaalah jalan, jamba- tan yang terta'alok di-bawah develop ment ini banyak-lah ranchangan2 atau pun projek yang sudah di-mulakan tetapi oleh Kerajaan Pusat sendiri terbengkalai projek2 tidak di- sudahkan.
itu saya tidak kawasan Jadi ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua satu 'ajaib di-dalam chara2 perkara yang Kerajaan Perikatan melaksanakan pembangunan ia-itu sa-patut-nya kerja2 yang sudah di-mulakan sa-tahun dua di-selesaikan projek2 itu dan di-buat- lah benda yang baharu.

Ini tidak, yang itu siap di-bawa pula yang baharu dan yang baharu itu pun di- bagi duit pada bulan November.
Jadi kita tidak tahui di-mana-kah niat yang tempat2 sa-benar yang memaksakan itu menjalankan projek2-nya, dengan suntok dan meninggalkan projek2 yang sudah lama.

Dalam sa-bagai chontoh—saya tidak membela sangat kawasan saya, saya tahu kalau minta, Menteri Kewangan tidak akan bagi.

Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-bagai satu chontoh ia-itu ada satu jalan yang sudah 8 batu berjalan tetapi terhalang oleh satu sungai.

Kalau-lah Kerajaan Perikatan menang pada tahun 1964, saya yakin jambatan itu sudah di-buat.
Tetapi malang-nya parti Perikatan tidak bekerja kuat di-situ; jadi bila dia tinggalkan kawasan itu (Ketawa), Jadi, ini yang menjadi susah-nya Tuan Yang di- Pertua.

Saya kebetulan berjaya dalam pilehan raya menjadi wakil dan dudok dalam Parlimen.

orang2 di-kawasan itu tidak peduli PAS-kah, parti Perikatan- kah, dia mengatakan, saya sekarang ini sudah menyokong Kerajaan Peri katan tidak payah di-buat tempat itu pergi buat di-tempat lain.
Jadi, ini satu perkara yang kita sa-bagai Wakil Ra'ayat di-sini dengan tidak meman- ini satu perkara yang dang parti, pedeh yang tidak di-buat oleh kita dalam perkara itu.

tidak menang, dia Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada lagi satu perkara yang saya tidak tahu sangat berkenaan dengan detail-nya—chara perinchian saya tidak tahu.

Tetapi ada sa-orang Menteri Muda; saya hendak sebut nama-nya tidak boleh pula tetapi kerja-nya Menteri Muda Pembangunan Luar Bandar dia ada di-sini.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada satu masa dia telah pergi dengan chara mengejut masok ka-kawasan saya dan round di- sana dan di-sini berjanji dia hendak bagi itu dan hendak bagi ini, lama2 saya kata maju-lah Bachok.

Rupa2-nya dia tidak bagi, dia hanya pergi berjanji sahaja.

Jadi, orang2 itu sudah mendesak saya pergi mendesak Men teri yang berjanji itu, saya hendak pergi tidak boleh dia orang Perikatan dan saya orang PAS (Ketawa).
Jadi sabotage, berbohong ini pun kapada ra'ayat itu saya hendak tang- gong di-sana, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kapak kechil banyak (Ketawa).

Ini pun satu perkara yang sa-patut-nya-lah Menteri2 kita kalau hendak buat satu2 benda itu apa salah-nya berjumpa dengan Wakil Ra'ayat; ta' usah peduli- lah apa kerana Menteri2 lain pun buat bagitu ini chuma tidak buat bagitu.

Tetapi saya ma'af- kan dia sebab dia Menteri Muda tentu-lah kesopanan sa-bagai sa-orang Menteri kurang daripada Menteri yang tua-nya.
saya dukachita Menteri parti PAS parti atau satu yang di-terbitkan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-lain dari pada itu pula, ada satu perkara ia-itu berbangkit daripada lawatan Menteri Muda ini timbul beberapa statement atau pun kenyataan dalam surat khabar yang berlawanan pula dengan kenyataan2 oleh sa- Menteri Besar negeri Kelantan sudah Menteri Besar Kelantan buat beberapa persetujuan pada pokok-nya dengan pehak Kementerian Pemba ngunan Luar Bandar sendiri.
Jadi yang mana satu yang betul dalam perkara ini, saya pun tidak tahu.

Tetapi yang saya tahu perjanjian yang di-buat oleh Menteri yang berkenaan dengan pehak negeri Kelantan bukan bertulis tetapi kenyataan yang di-buat tentu ini sudah oleh Menteri Muda kenyataan-nya tidak bertulis— bersharah dengan mulut yang kita tidak tahu boleh-kah atau tidak kita paakai uchapan2 yang sa-macham itu.
tentu-lah itu Sebab itu-lah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bimbang kenyataan2 yang tidak 2015 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2016 boleh ini.

Orang2 UMNO elok bagitu.

Di-Kelantan boleh orang2- nya bersabar tetapi kalau di-negeri Perak, daripada tempat Menteri kita ini datang orang2-nya tidak sabar.
Bila kenyataan2 yang di-buat terlampau tidak betul maka akibat-nya sangat pejabat—tempat Yang Berhormat itu sendiri—di-kawasan-nya jadi kena pechah dengan kapak sa-bagai- mana yang telah berlaku di-Tapah baharu2 juga sendiri menghentam Pejabat UMNO itu kerana Jadi yang aneh-nya pula kalau ahli biasa bohong, kalau Menteri itu bohong tentu-lah maha bohong dalam perkara ini.

Jadi bila maha bohong untok Wakil Ra'ayat kena kapak, untok Menteri maha kapak nanti kena.
Jadi ini sa-bagai sa-orang Menteri dan sa- bagai kita sa-buah negara yang sedang dan menuju perpaduan ini patut-lah di-elakkan.

kapada pembangunan rasa perkara2 sentiment bohong.

saya Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kesimpulan yang saya hendak minta, yang pertama ini tentang hendak menambah duit ta'kan-lah bangkang, saya hendak tentu-lah saya tidak bangkang tetapi jangan-lah di-buat pula bulan Novem ber tidak sempat orang hendak buat kerja-nya.
Dan yang kedua projek2 yang sudah berjalan di-selesaikan pro jek itu dahulu jadi baharu-lah dapat ra'ayat ini tompang melihat dan me- nikmati.

di-situ-lah Yang ketiga projek2 pembangunan ini, kechuali-lah projek2 yang luar sangat patut-lah projek2 biasa, itu merupakan projek2 yang dapat di- rasai dan di-nikmati oleh ra'ayat jelata sa-chepat sa-chara langsong dengan baharu mungkin.

Dan maksud perbelanjaan kita itu sesuai dengan perkataan Development ia-itu pembangunan sadikit2.
Tetapi kalau projek tidak dapat di-pandang, di-rasa, melainkan orang2 yang besar sahaja dapat chepat untong-nya.

Jadi, ini-lah sahaja saya dapat berchakap dalam polisi dan saya akan masok pula bila sampai dalam satu2 Committee berkenaan dengan Kementerian, kaseh, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

jauh sangat besar terima itu posed by the Honourable Member for Batu before we go to the Committee the allocation of stage.
Concerning money the Sharikat Bekerjasama to Persekutuan Kebangsaan, Singapura, and also in regard to the question of Cables and Wireless Ltd, this was done and agreed upon between the Singapore Government and us before separation.

So, how can we fall back on our words?

We have to give it to them.

In the first place, one was a loan; in the second place, the agreement between one and the other has been signed.

We cannot fall back on our word, even though Singapore has been separated from us.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: On a point of clarification.

I did not ask for falling back or falling forwards.

I asked for mengkaji sa-mula.

at quo the present Dr Ng Kam Poh: A review of the policy of the Government, as I have explained just now, is that it is at time.
status However, concerning the Honourable Member's remarks about the "Aid to Malaysia Club" and also his remarks about non-profitable projects and so on, I can assure the Honourable Member for Batu that the "Aid to Malaysia Club" which was mooted by the Minis ter of Finance deserves considerable credit and I can assure him that in the long run it will be a success.

That is all I have to say, Sir.

Thank you.

Question put, and agreed to.


immediately The House resolved itself into a Committee on the Develop ment (Supplementary) (No.

2) Estima tes, 1965.

Motion and Development (Supple mentary) (No.

2) Estimates considered in Committee.

(Mr Speaker in the Chair) Heads 103 and 104— Mr Chairman: I propose that the expenditure shown in Heads 103 and 104 of the Development (Supplemen tary) (No.

2) Estimates, 1965 be approved.


Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like to reply to a few questions The Minister of Information and Broadcasting (Enche' Senu bin Abdul 2017 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2018 Rahman): Tuan Pengerusi, dengan per- setujuan tuan, saya suka mengemuka- kan Kepala2 103 dan 104 bersama2 clan permohonan peruntokan2 berikut di-luluskan.

Kepala 103 Kepala 104 ... ... Sekarang saya akan meraberi sadikit $422,801 $200,000 penjelasan di-atas keperluan2 ini.
Sub-head 7 (iii) Malacca Water Supply.

Oleh sebab tekanan bekalan ayer di-Melaka sangat rendah di-dapati tiap2 alat penyejok di-studio dan pejabat Radio Malaysia di-Melaka tidak dapat di-jalankan.

Untok me- nyelamatkan alat2 yang tersebut satu paip khas terpaksa di-adakan dari Kolam Ayer ka-Steshen Radio.

satu Sub-head 12—Kajang: Short-wave Transmitters, Replacement.
Peruntok an ini di-perlukan untok menjelaskan bayaran penghabisan kapada agents yang mana tuntutan-nya telah di-buat Ini lewat daripada yang di-jangka.

ada-lah mengenai pembelian satu alat pemanchar 10 kilowatt yang meng- pemanchar gunakan 5 alat kilowatt yang telah tidak dapat di- gunakan lagi.

Sub-head 21—Overseas / Malaysian Services and Quarters.

Peruntokan ini di-perlukan segera untok membeli sa-buah alat pemanchar Gelombang Pendek untok ranchangan khas bagi membalas di'ayah2 dari radio Indonesia.
Sub-head 22—School Broadcast Ser ini ada-lah vice Studios.

Peruntokan di-kehendaki untok memulakan ran changan Radio ka-Sekolah2.

Dahulu- ranchangan Radio ka-Sekolah2 nya ini di-kelolakan oleh Radio Singapura dan di-dapati sesuai dengan tidak kehendak2 kita dan sa-telah di-pereksa, bagitu juga.

Oeh yang demikian telah di-putuskan hendak memulakan ran changan tersebut dari Kuala Lumpur walau pada permulaan-nya.
Wang $56,000 ini di- perlukan untok membeli alat2 yang di-perlukan untok studio Penyiaran ka-sekolah2.

Head (Malaya), 104—Television Sub-head 3—Extension of Television Service to part of East Coast $200,000.

Sa-telah alat2 pemanchar talivishen di- Kedah, Perak dan di-Tampin, Melaka sa-chara kechil pun di-dapati kekuatan di-lancharkan, signal2-nya dapat di-terima dengan baik-nya di-Pulau Langkawi, Perlis dan juga kawasan Muar.
Dari hasil kajian2 permulaan yang di-buat, tempat2 ini memerlukan Steshen2 Kechil tetapi oleh sebab penerimaan di-tempat2 yang ter sebut sekarang ada-lah rnemuaskan, alat2 yang di-perlukan bagi kedua2 kawasan ini dapat-lah di-pindahkan ka-Pantai Timor untok kawasan Kota Bharu dan di-sekitar-nya.

Peruntokan $200,000 ini ia-lah untok mendirikan steshen2 penyambong di-Bukit Bakar, Kota Bharu dan Bukit Brinchang, Cameron Highlands untok memboleh- kan pendudok2 di-kawasan2 Pantai Timor menikmati talivishen.
Tuan Pengerusi, saya dengan suka- chita-nya kemukakan.

Dato' Mohamed Asri bin Haji Muda (Pasir Puteh): Tuan Pengerusi, Kepala 103, Kepala-kechil 19, Kepala-kechil 21 ya'ani permintaan wang kerana mem- lagi Perkhidmatan Siaran besarkan Radio Malaysia bagi luar negeri.

Mengikut apa yang di-terangkan oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri tadi bahawa hendak di-adakan satu alat pemanchar hendak gelombang pendek kerana menangkis serangan2 yang di-lakukan oleh pehak Indonesia.
Saya hendak tanya-lah kapada Men ini, apa-kah teri Yang Berhormat siaran Sa-berang Laut ini sa-mata2 di- adakan kerana hendak menangkis serangan radio daripada pehak musoh sahaja atau pun hendak mengadakan satu siaran atau pun Perkhidmatan Radio untok Sa-berang Laut dengan lengkap saperti mana yang sa-wajar- nya ada bagi sa-sabuah negara yang merdeka dan berdaulat?
Soal hendak menangkis serangan2 daripada pehak musoh melalui radio2 ini, ini ada-lah satu soal yang biasa bila mana Per khidmatan Radio bagi Sa-berang Laut itu baik dan sempurna maka dengan itu dapat sendiri-nya perkhidmatan di-gunakan, untok apa sahaja maksud bagi pehak Kerajaan ini termasok-lah perkara menangkis serangan daripada pehak musoh.
Jadi saya harap jangan- lah apabila kita hendak membesarkan Perkhidmatan Sa-berang Laut bagi radio ini dengan di-letakkan bahawa menangkis serangan musoh itu sahaja 2019 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2020 sa-bagai pokok yang menyebabkan hendak membesarkan Perkhidmatan Sa-berang Laut itu, biar-lah soal Per khidmatan Sa-berang Laut itu di-jadi- kan satu perkara yang mesti, sebab kita perlu segala sa-suatu yang berlaku, pandangan, kupasan dan segala-nya di-negeri ini dapat di-ketahui oleh dunia luar melalui Perkhidmatan Luar Negeri.
tetapi perbelanjaan ada tidak ada.

Jadi hari ini baharu-lah di-minta per belanjaan tambahan.

Yang saya hairan untok yang lain2 itu dapat di-ambil pendahuluan daripada "contingencies" tetapi yang ini ta' dapat di-ambil pen apa2-nya pula di- dahuluan.

Ada belakang ini agak-nya.

Barangkali pehak Menteri sendiri yang tahu sebab2 hal yang demikian.
sesuai lebeh2 tidak itu dan Kepala 22 ya'ani Siaran Radio ka- Sekolah2 yang dahulu-nya kita menum- pang melalui Siaran Radio dari Singapura tetapi sekarang, kata Men lagi teri, kita dapati keadaan siaran2 lagi kita telah berpisah maka mustahak- lah ada perkhidmatan sendiri untok siaran ka-sekolah2 ini.

Bila masa-nya kita baharu berasa atau pun baharu tahu yang Siaran ka-Sekolah2 melalui Radio Singapura itu ta' sesuai dengan kita, sa-sudah berpisah, sa-sudah kita bertelagah dengan Lee Kuan Yew atau bila?
Saya ta' fikir baharu dalam sa- bulan dua ini baharu kita terasa benda itu ta' munasabah sebab walau pun sa-sudah berpisah, siaran ka-sekolah2 itu nampak-nya ta' berubah, chara-nya macham itu juga.

Jadi apa-nya yang ta' sesuai itu?

Siaran-nya-kah atau pun kerana negeri-nya sudah berpisah dan dasar negeri-nya tidak sesuai dengan dasar negeri kita?
Kalau siaran-nya ta' sesuai, kenapa sekarang baharu sedar, lagi kenapa di-putuskan ter- masok Singapura, sa-hingga Malaysia telah menjadi Malaysia yang kudong ta' sesuai siaran baharu kita Radio ka-Sekolah2 itu.

tidak daripada dahulu sa-waktu Malaysia terasa Kepala 104 Kepala-kechil 3.

Ber- terima kaseh-lah saya kapada pehak Menteri ini sa-sudah mendengar pen- jelasan tadi bahawa satu alat peman- char bagi TV di-Pantai Timor atau di-Kota Bharu akan di-bena dengan serta-merta.
Chuma saya hendak sebut- kan di-sini, Tuan Pengerusi, sa-benar- nya ranchangan untok mengadakan alat pemanchar ini sahaja tetapi sudah hampir sa-tahun, kalau ta' salah ingatan saya, hampir sa-tahun lama-nya dan pehak Menteri ini sanggup demi sanggup, tetapi bukan dalam Dewan ini-lah.

Itu perundingan di-luar.

Konon khabar-nya alat2 sudah ini bukan-lah hari Terima kaseh.
3 Sub-head Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah (Bachok): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak berchakap sadikit di-bawah Menteri Siaran dan Radio ini ia-itu betul-kah tidak, saya hendak bertanya kapada Menteri ia-itu sa-sudah ini, Menteri kita ini berikhtiar hendak dalam melaksanakan Kepala 104 berkenaan dengan Tali- vishen di-Pantai Timor itu, timbul satu chara berfikir yang kurang sehat di- kalangan Parti Pemerentah ia-itu di- kalangan Perikatan supaya benda ini di-lambat2kan.
Kemudian daripada itu satu chara penyelesaian Menteri kita ini dengan kebijaksanaan-nya mengambil jalan tengah ia-itu hendak menyelesai- hendak kan membawa alat2 yang sudah di-pakai di-tempat lain yang dia rasa kurang sesuai, maka alat2 yang burok itu hendak di-pindahkan ka-Pantai Timor.

Jadi ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya ada fact, kalau hendak ia-lah saya tidak mahu-lah sampai hendak pergi ka- tetapi me- Mahkamah perkara madaMah dalam Dewan, kalau ta' sunggoh pun—"biar pi-lah".
perkara dengan ini, itu Yang kedua, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam Talivishen, dan bagitu juga radio, patut-lah Menteri kita ini meng ia-itu ingatan dan perhatian ambil pada masa yang terakhir2 ini terasa sangat bahawa radio dan siaran Tali vishen ini, sa-kali pun dia merupakan alat bagi negara, tetapi sa-patut-nya dalam negara kita yang Parti-nya berbagai2 Parti di-dalam Dewan ini, jangan-lah tidak rasmi itu di-untokkan kapada orang2 Parti Perikatan sahaja ia-itu mithal-nya dalam ruangan ugama, maka nampak- nya satu Tuan Haji itu dia sahaja konterek-nya pada hal orang lain pun boleh juga bersharah.
ranchangan2 yang 2021 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2022 Macham orang PAS pun kalau hen- dak memberi fikiran dari segi Islam yang tidak berkaitan dengan current politik ini, ada orang2-nya, jadi baharu- lah negara luar nampak bahawa kita di-antara opposition dengan Kerajaan ini bergadoh di-dalam chara2 pelak- sanaan negara kita, tetapi tidak di- dalam konsep national kita sendiri.
Tetapi dengan chara yang ada sekarang ini bukan sahaja-lah konsep yang nam- pak-nya Kerajaan Perikatan bergadoh dengan pehak pembangkang ini pada perkara2 yang detail, yang kechil bagitu sangat di-lakukan oleh pun Kementerian kita berkenaan dengan siaran radio ini.

terasa kita Jadi tidak sehat.


Tuan Pengerusi, jadi ini satu per kara yang orang2 luar mari ka-sini sudah membuat satu remark di-dalam perkara ini, membuat satu perhatian ia-itu orang2 intellectual yang meman- dang dari segi kedudokan radio dan siaran itu sa-bagai alat negara yang tulin tidak sa-bagai alat parti.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya perchaya Menteri kita pun tentu-lah sampai kapada pengetahuan-nya bahawa ba- nyak akhbar2 di-Timor Tengah telah membuat satu ulasan berkenaan dengan kedudokan radio dan siaran talivishen di-Tanah Melayu ini, dan chara2 yang di-ulas atau pun di-comment itu amat- sa-patut-nya lah Menteri ini memerentahkan pegawai2-nya supaya menangkis balek ulasan2 atau pun comment2 yang tidak baik itu.
Jadi ini-lah yang sahabat saya tadi daripada Pasir Puteh mencherita- kan ada-lah Suara Malaysia ka-luar sa-mata2 untok negeri menangkis serangan, konferantasi dari pada Indonesia.

Negara2 luar hendak tahu negeri Tanah Melayu ini, terutama apabila sudah berpisah dengan Singa- pura atau pun Singapura berpisah dari pada Malaysia tahu ke dudokan Malaysia, tetapi siaran Suara Malaysia ini tidak lain yang di-siarkan, menghentam Sukarno,menghentam kon ferantasi.
Jadi orang2 itu sudah muak telinga hendak mendengar.

Dia orang hendak tahu, hendak mengenal negara Malaysia lebeh banyak daripada dia hendak mendengar bergadoh dengan Sukarno, sebab Sukarno, Tuan terpaksa kena Yang di-Pertua—saya itu di-buat ini hendak kita dan rasa puji Sukarno ini—dia mengatasi Per- dana Menteri kita sa-kurang2-nya dia mempunyai Ratna Dewi, tetapi Perdana Menteri kita tidak ada.
Jadi di-dalam perkara ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada- lah menjadi tidak puas hati kapada negeri2 luar mendengar siaran Suara Malaysia ini.

Ini saya sebut, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada satu masa saya pernah di-interview oleh Suara Malaysia: Saya nampak interview dia hendak suroh saya berchakap itu di- sekitar Sukarno konferantasi Sukarno, Sukarno, konferantasi, pada hal Suara Malaysia orang hendak men dengar hal lain lagi—hal Parti PAS memerentah di-Kelantan orang hendak dengar juga di-sana.
Jadi tidak ada peluang langsong orang hendak ber chakap dalam perkara itu, jadi tidak dapat-lah orang hendak mengambil satu panoramic picture bagi negara kita ini kalau kita hanya menumpukan peranan kita kapada Indonesia dan luar memikir boleh bahawa negeri kita ini negeri bergadoh tiap2 hari dengan Sukarno, sahaja bangun pagi bergadoh, tengah hari ber gadoh, petang bergadoh.
Jadi negeri ini sa- tidak aman mata2—suara negeri yang bergadoh, suara negeri yang demam, suara negeri yang kena tekan pada hal orang meng- harapkan Malaysia ini satu negeri yang saya sendiri.

boleh dudok hendak memberi satu perhatian kapada Menteri kita dan saya minta-lah kapada dia menerangkan perkara2 ini.
langsong bergadoh jadi negara2 Ini-lah Enche' Senu bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan Pengerusi, saya menguchapkan sa-tinggi terima kaseh kapada wakil daripada Pasir Puteh dan wakil dari pada Bachok yang telah mengeluarkan pendapat dan fikiran tadi.

Wakil dari pada Pasir Puteh ada menyebut ber kenaan dengan apa yang saya sebut tadi ia-itu penambahan ada-lah untok menangkis Radio Indonesia.
Boleh-lah sadikit kerana salah saya katakan memang-lah tujuan kita hendak meng- adakan pemanchar yang baharu ini bukan sa-mata2 untok menangkis siaran atau pun di'ayah daripada Indonesia, tetapi sa-bagaimana wakil Pasir Puteh tentu faham, radio atau pun pemanchar kita ini di-gunakan untok selurohan- nya dan sa-lain daripada itu berkenaan 2023 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2024 supaya tetapi sudah ranchangan2 itu berkenaan dengan dengan siaran ka-sekolah2, siaran ka- sekolah2 telah di- ini sa-benar-nya berhentikan daripada awal tahun ini lagi.
Dan kita maseh menchari pakar2 dan sedang membuat anggaran2 per belanjaan sampai-lah pada hari ini.

Pendek-nya maksud dan tujuan kita hendak mengadakan ranchangan baharu ka-sekolah2 itu bukan-lah baharu hari lama.
Pendek-nya ini, mulai daripada tahun ini kita sudah membuat ran changan sekolah ini dapat di-buat di- Kuala Lumpur ini sendiri, dan kalau pada hari ini ranchangan2 ka-sekolah2 ini belum chukup memuaskan per- chaya-lah ranchangan2 sekolah itu akan di-perbaiki daripada satu masa ka-satu masa sesuai dengan keadaan negara ini.
Dan sa-lain kita yang merdeka daripada teli- vision ka-Pantai Timor, saya perchaya Yang Berhormat wakil daripada Pasir faham ber tentu-lah Puteh sendiri soal soal kenaan dengan telivision ka-Pantai Timor yang sa- benar-nya ada-lah di-masokkan di- dalam anggaran perbelanjaan di-bawah Ranchangan Lima Tahun Malaysia, tetapi dengan kerana permintaan dari pada Pantai Timor juga, maka saya jalan sa- telah menchuba menchari berapa di- dapat ini-lah hasil-nya perchepatkan dan telivi supaya dapat di-perchepatkan sion2 itu ka-Pantai Timor.
Jadi saya fikir Ahli2 Yang Berhormat patut-nya menerima kaseh berkenaan dengan ini kerana kalau hendak di-tunggu meng- ikut ketetapan yang asal terpaksa-lah di-tunggu sa-lepas anggaran atau pun Ranchangan Malaysia Yang Pertama di-jalankan berkenaan ini dan supaya boleh .

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.. Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Kalau Menteri cherita betul2 bagitu, tidak ada-lah berbangkit macham ini, tetapi dia sembunyi, jadi kerana dia sembunyi itu, orang silap faham, dia terpaksa memakan masa yang lain pula.
Jadi mengadakan sa-suatu yang sudah ada.

Enche' Senu bin Abdul Rahman: Perhatian yang di-beri oleh wakil dari juga, sa-lain daripada Bachok talivishen yang saya sudah jawab sa- kejap ia-itu berkenaan dengan ruangan ugama atau pun dalam tali tadi, tadi vishen di-ambil, kata-nya, daripada orang2 Perikatan, tetapi saya rasa tidak bagitu.
Yang sa-benar-nya, dalam soal mimbar ugama itu kalau Yang Ber hormat wakil dari Bachok itu sendiri melihat atau menyaksikan ahli2 yang mengambil bahagian itu bukan semua- nya daripada ahli2 Perikatan, bahkan ahli2 itu sama sa-kali tidak menye- belahi mana2 parti pun tetapi di- pandang mereka dari segi kebolehan dan pengetahuan dan sa-bagai-nya.
Pendek-nya, saya buka talivishen itu untok sa-siapa pun juga yang di-fikir- kan dapat memberi fikiran, pendapat atau berkenaan pengetahuan dengan soal2 yang tersebut.

pun Sa-lain daripada itu, saya suka juga- lah, macham kata Ahli Yang Ber hormat tadi, kalau ada berita2 yang di-pancharkan dari Timor Tengah.

Yang sa-benar-nya, saya tidak tahu apa surat2-khabar Timor Tengah mengke- ritik atau mengkecham kita.
Jadi, kalau Ahli Yang Berhormat itu mempunyai" surat2-khabar yang demikian berkenaan dengan mengkecham talivishen kita atau pun radio kita, saya suka-lah mendapat berita2 yang tersebut, sama ada surat2-khabar atau pun majallah2 dari Timor Tengah.

Sa-lain daripada itu berkenaan de ngan siaran Suara Malaysia AN HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ratna Dewi!

saya perchaya Ahli Enche' Senu bin Abdul Rahman: itu, Berkenaan dengan Ratna Dewi saya tentang tidak mahu berchakap itu.
Berkenaan dengan Suara Malaysia, yang sa-benar-nya, kalau Ahli Yang Berhormat itu mendengar Suara Malay itu sia kita, tentu-lah tidak akan mengatakan ba- hawa Suara Malaysia kita itu di- Indonesia, tujukan ini memang-lah tetapi pada hari kapada kebanyakan-nya Indonesia, walau pun banyak, saya ingat, tidak sampai 1/10 daripada apa yang kita dapat daripada Indonesia sendiri yang menghentam dan mengeji kita—sadikit sangat kalau hendak di- bandingkan dengan apa yang Indonesia tiap2 hari, pagi, menghentam kita petang dan malam.
sa-mata2 kapada di-tujukan 2025 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2026 Saya suka memberi pengakuan di- sini memang tujuan Kementerian ini untok memperbesarkan Suara Malaysia ini bukan sahaja ka-Indonesia, tetapi sampai ka-Timor Tengah, sampai ka- Eropah dan sampai ka-seluroh dunia.
Ini-lah ranchangan yang sedang di-ator oleh Kementerian ini dan di-dalam Ranchangan Pembangunan Malaysia Yang Pertama juga ada di-masokkan, dan pada hari ini yang sa-benar-nya kita sedang menchari pakar2 yang boleh berbahasa Afrika, French dan bebe- rapa bahasa lain yang akan di-gunakan untok memperbesarkan Suara Malaysia kita.

Tuan Pengerusi, sa-kian jawapan saya.

Terima kaseh.

Questions put, and agreed to.


The sums of $422,801 for Head 103 and $200,000 for Head 104 agreed to stand part of Development (Supple mentary) (No.

2) Estimates, 1965.

Heads 106 and 107— Mr 'Chairman: I propose that the expenditure shown under Head 106 of (Supplementary) (No.

2) Estimates, 1965, be approved.


the Development The Minister of Local Government and Housing (Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh): Mr Chairman, Sir, with your permis sion, I beg to take both Heads 106 and 107 in respect of my Ministry and move that the sums appearing under those Heads as explained under Statu tory Command Paper 38 of 1965, be approved.
Head 106, Sub-head 20, Extension and Improvement of Istana, Arau— $150,000: Honourable Members will recall that an amount of $500,000 was approved in 1964 for the renovation and extension of Istana, Arau.

This sum was found to be insufficient and a further sum of $150,000 was required to complete the works.

The total sum of $650,000 is an interest free loan to the Perlis Government on the recom mendation of the National Finance Council.
Under Sub-head 4 of Head 107, the Sharikat Kerjasama Perumahan Ke- bangsaan, Singapura, made representa tions to the Central Government for a loan to enable its members to purchase flats low cost the Singapore from Housing and Development Board.
The amount of $425,000 was given as a loan to the Society on terms and con ditions as follows: Period of loan Rate of interest ... 25 years ... 5% per annum originally approached Under Sub-head 8 of Head 107, the Government Co-operative Housing Society the Government for a loan to build houses servants, who are for Government the members of enable Society's objective was Government officers to purchase their own houses, the Government considered this move sympathetically and agreed to provide a loan of $10,000,000 to enable the Society to take off.
the Society.

Since to Enche' Stephen Yong Kuet Tze: Mr Chairman, Sir, may I ask the Minister is there any security for repay the loan under Head 107, ment of Sub-head 4?

Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: The Agree ment in respect of this loan is usually drawn up between the Treasury direct with the Society concerned.
Short of perusing the Agreement itself, I am unable to categorically state whether there is security or not, but this loan is provided to buy a block of low cost flats already built and completed by the Housing Board.

Question put, and agreed to.

The sums of $150,000 for Head 106 and $10,425,000 for Head 107 agreed the Development to stand part of (Supplementary) (No.

2) Estimates, 1965.
2) Estimates, 1965.

Head 112 and Head 201— Mr Chairman: I propose that the 112, expenditure shown Ministry of Home Affairs, of the Development (Supplementary) (No.

2) Estimates, 1965, be approved.

in Head The Minister of Home Affairs (Dato' Dr Ismail bin Dato' Haji Abdul Rah man): Mr Chairman, Sir, with your per mission, I would like to take Head 112, Prisons (Malaya) and Head 201, Prisons (Sarawak) together, as they both come under my portfolio.
I, therefore, 2027 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2028 beg to move that the total sum of $6,047,035 standing under these two Heads be approved.

Under Head 112, Prisons (Malaya), Sub-head 13, Agricultural Scheme for Henry Gurney School, a sum of $75,535 is required for payment of land dues to the Malacca State Government for acquisition of 150 acres of State land in the Mukim of Bukit Katil, Malacca, as site for the project.
Honourable Members will recall that at previous sittings of this House I mentioned about the difficulty of obtaining suitable State land for this project.

In fact, this laudable project had to be shelved for a few years because of this difficulty.

I would, to place on record my appreciation to the Malacca State Government, who agreed to pro vide the State land required for the project at very favourable terms.
therefore, like Under Sub-head 17, a sum of $10,000 is required to meet expenses on site appraisal and ground survey of a piece of land of approximately 232 acres in the Mukim of Kamunting, Perak, which is required as site for the proposed Central Detention Camp.

This camp will be designed on modern lines and when completed will provide accom modation space for 1,000 detainees and the necessary staff quarters.
There will also be facilities for recreation and sufficient land for implementation of schemes on occupational therapy such and vegetable as poultry gardening.

All these amenities and facilities are either non existent now or provided on a limited scale only in the existing two camps owing to lack of space.

farming The intention therefore is to establish a central detention camp in Malaya in place of the existing two camps.

I turn now to Head 201 Prisons (Sarawak).


A sum of $61,500 shown under Sub-head 1, Quarters, Sibu, is required to meet the cost of acquisition of land upon which prison quarters will be constructed in 1966.

It is proposed to construct one unit class II quarters, two units class III quarters, two units class IV quarters and 30 units barracks for is insufficient number of barracks and the Prison Staff, as there for quarters at present.
Funds the construction of these quarters will be sought under the First Malaysia Plan.

Sub-head 2, Sixth Mile Camp, Kuching, is actually a transfer from the 1965 Ordinary Estimates, where this item is shown as Sub-head 56 of Head 33.

In the estimates under that Supply Head, a sum of $2 million was shown.

A transfer is made, as it is considered more appropriate to treat this project as a project under the Development Estimates.
A sum of $3,201,000 has already been advanced from the Contingencies Fund and a sum of $5,900,000 as shown now in the Estimates before the estimated total cost of the project, which is expected to be completed by March next year.

The camp will have accom modation space for 1,280 persons not staff accommodation with including various amenities and for recreation, and when completed detai nees now accommodated at temporary detention camps will be transferred to this new camp.
the House facilities is is supposed Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Chairman, Sir, in the modern society, detention camps, prisons, are, I hope, from the sociological point of view an undesir able aspect of our society.

It looks to me that with the Alliance Government, or in particular with the Ministry of Home Affairs, it is not only a desirable but an essential feature of our society.

We did hear the Minister for Home Affairs say that there is this camp at to hold Taiping which 1,000 detainees.
Well, I do not know the number of detainees being held at the moment in the States of Malaya.

On one visit, I think the number for Batu Gajah was only round about 213 or so.

I do not know what the number for Muar is.

I do not suppose it will be more than that figure of 213 for Batu Gajah.

So, are we going to presume that the Minister for Home Affairs has in mind roping in more and more detainees to fill up this detention camp?
Otherwise, I take it that members will agree with me that it is a waste of public funds to build a huge camp when it is empty—I hope.

Sir, I have the unpleasant experience of visiting some of the detainees both 2029 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2030 at Taiping and at Batu Gajah.
If I heard the Minister rightly, he said that there would be facilities for vocational training: he talked of poultry farming, and he talked of—I do not know what else he talked about, but in any way the provision is a long sought one and is a very necessary one.

Indeed one detainee told me that life in this camp is soul destroying—that he has nothing to do.

He is a professional man and he cannot get books.


Now, this is one aspect, and Mr Chairman, Sir, I hope that this camp will not only provide for vocational training, for recreational facilities, but also other amenities, in particular, newspapers.

I do not know whether the Minister for Home Affairs realises that the detainees—at least in Taiping and Batu Gajah that I have visited—have complained to me that they do not have enough newspapers to read.
They do not ask for news papers, Sir, in the language of the Eskimos or some tribal language in Africa.

They asked for newspapers in Rumi and for any other literature in Rumi.
Mr Chairman, Sir, one of the detai nees I know just sat, at my instigation, for the Bahasa Melayu Examination at the LCE level and I do hope that the Minister will provide facilities, so that our detainees will be given the opportunity to advance themselves like the brother of Lim Chin Siong in Changi Prison who has now, over a period of time, not only passed his Senior Cambridge and passed his HSC, but he has got his LL.B.

London External.
London External.

I have yet to see such facilities being provided for in as I have said, the two camps that I have visited, but the urgent need, Mr Chairman, Sir, is for reading material.

A person goes mad, if he does not have any opportu nity to read.

Another aspect Mr Chairman, Sir, is that I noticed the Minister for Home Affairs talking of this camp at 6th Mile Kuching, costing $5.9 million going to be completed, if I heard him rightly, next year.
I do hope that when it is completed the detainees from Sarawak who are now kept in Batu Gajah will be sent back to it.
I see it is a prison and I do not know whether it is meant also for detainees, because I am sure the Minister for Home Affairs knows that he has just received a petition from the relatives of the detainees from Sarawak complaining that it is so costly for them to come over from Sarawak to Batu Gajah to meet their loved ones down there, and that they hope that these people will be sent back to Sarawak as soon as possible.
Sir, I do hope that the Minister will bear in mind that detention camps—as I have said before—he may think it is a necessary evil—is a very undesirable feature of any society and that he would make the amenities of these camps as amenable as possible to the detainees.

Finally, Sir, I do not know whether the Minister knows that there is at least one professional man, who is being detained now, and I want to convey to this House that this detainee is a doctor now being detained in Batu Gajah.
Since the hospital is next door to the Batu Gajah detention camp and since this doctor is trained in Orthopaedic Surgery, and since there is no Ortho paedic Surgeon in the whole of Perak, would he consider making use of the services of this doctor, who has indi cated that he will work free of charge in this hospital.
He is not only an Orthopaedic Surgeon in his own right, although he has no higher qualification for it, but he is also a very good general practitioner and I am sure that the Minister for Health will welcome such services free.

for Enche' Stephen Yong Kuet Tze: Mr Chairman, Sir, in following the Honourable Member for Batu, I would like to know whether the facilities now proposed for the Taiping Camp would be provided in the 6th Mile Camp, Kuching.
I have in mind particularly rehabilitation because, facilities apart from recreational and other facilities, I think it is very desirable that we should not keep political detainees too long, and we do know that in Sarawak, perhaps, for parti cular circumstances, many people were detained purely on suspicion and usually they were given a three-month order for detention—and that does show that the authority concerned did not feel strong enough that these men 2031 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2032 should be detained too long.
Unfortu nately, because men are insufficient to really go into the cases of each indivi dual, sometimes three months turned out to be an extra three months, and it went on and on indefinitely; and this does give a sense of frustration to some people.

However, some of them do get out in the end.


But the unfortu that people nate part of it is this: like that, being detained on security reasons purely on suspicion, sometimes become tainted—in fact they feel more anti-government and sometimes get bad influence in the detention camp.
So I feel, there must be proper segregation of these groups of people; and, secondly, there must be—and I think it is the most urgent thing to rehabilitation do—some scheme, particularly this Camp, which is a very expensive one.

We should not waste money.

If we want to use the money for a good purpose it should be used wisely.
firstly, form of in Lastly, I feel that to bring the build ing of prisons under "Development" does seem to be out of place {Laughter), Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Totally out of place, Mr Chairman, Sir.

Enche' Stephen Yong Kuet Tze: It is out of place, because it would not be correct to come under a development scheme.

There was this estimate in the Budget for $2 million but now it seems that the cost of this has bumped up to nearly $6 million.
So, the fear that is expressed by the previous speaker is to the effect that development tends to go not so much for the development of the development or enlargement of prison walls.

the country, but more for Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Speaker, Sir, I just wish to add to the comments that have already been made with regard to the provision for increased detention area and how it is associated with development.
Sir, I was quite struck, when I visited Kuching recently, to notice this sixth mile development project.

In actual fact, when I first saw it, I think it was a development project, because it was development biggest probably the in Kuching at housing project the present moment.
Sir, I do understand the difficulty in which the Minister of Home Affairs and Justice finds himself in because he on the one hand would like a just society, where we need not necessarily have prisons, and on the other, as Minister of Home Affairs, unfortunately, he has the realities to provide for prisons and at the same time has to come to this House to ask for development funds.
to meet Sir, I do feel that the amount of money that we are spending for deten tion camps and prisons is a matter of concern, because we should be opti mistic that the society in which we live, especially the property-owning society which the Alliance Government aims to achieve, will reach a stage when in actual fact we will have a situation where a prison becomes an unessential feature in our society.
Therefore, Sir, I do commend to the Honourable Minister of Home Affairs not only the provision for vocation training and other amenities in these detention areas, but really to build these detention areas in such a manner whereby with a little bit more expen diture in future it could be developed into nice low cost housing areas, or even industrial areas, to suit the Minis ter of Commerce and Industry.
Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak membuat ulasan rengkas sahaja berkenaan de- ngan Peruntokan Tambahan yang di- minta oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri bagi Hal-Ehwal Dalam Negeri di- bawah Head 112—Sub-head 13 dan 17.

Tuan Pengerusi, nama bagi Henry Gurney School, nama bagi satu2 tempat pengajian yang bagini atau pun pem- bentokan sa-mula yang sa-macham ini di-ambil daripada nama orang2 yang menjadi chontoh.
Jadi di-ambil-lah Sir Henry Gurney sa-bagai nama yang patut di-letak kapada Sekolah Budak2 Nakal itu.

Apabila kita sudah merdeka banyak-lah nama2 itu di-tukar, Batu Road mithal-nya sudah di-tukar— Pudu—banyak-lah dan kita chari-lah tokoh2 kita di-dalam negara kita sen- diri.

Saya minta, mengshorkan supaya Menteri kita dapat menukarkan nama ini kapada Henry Gurney School 2033 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2034 Dr Ismail School.
Saya tidak bermaksud bahawa Dr Ismail—Menteri yang ber- nama Dr Ismail itu sa-bagai simbol atau pun model bagi budak2 nakal.

Tetapi erti-nya dia sudah membuat satu jasa to reform akhlak2 orang2 itu, jadi terkenal Dato' Ismail sa-bagai sa-orang reformer—sa-bagaimana juga orang terkenal sekarang ini sekolah2 Dale Carnegie, bagitu bagini.

Jadi ini sa-bagai satu shor saya, supaya negara kita kenal dan ingat nama-nya, sa-kali pun kita sudah mati dan tulang kita sudah reput.
Tuan Pengerusi, dalam Sub-head 13 ini kita nampak agricultural Scheme, ada sekim Tanaman pula di-situ.

Jadi ini dapat kita faham bahawa budak2 yang di-masokkan ka-dalam sekolah ini, dalam kita chuba hendak mem- bentok akhlak mereka itu, kita memberi beberapa kerja yang boleh-lah kita namakan vocational education di-situ, sebab itu kita masokkan perkara ini.

Jadi, Tuan Pengerusi, saya mengshor- kan Kerajaan memindahkan tempat itu, pergi kapada rural area—pergi kapada luar bandar.
Sebab-nya, Tuan Penge rusi, apabila tempat yang kita hendak reform budak2 ini di-dalam bandar sendiri, di-Kuala Lumpur sendiri, Ibu Kota sendiri,—suasana dalam Kuala Lumpur ini suasana orang yang boleh berfikir yang baik2, yang tidak jahat.

Jadi dia ada talivishen, ada radio, ada bermacham2 kemudahan facilities lagi.
Jadi sa-patut-nya budak2 yang nakal bagini di-bawa di-satu kawasan yang jauh dan di-situ supaya dia hidup 'alam yang dia nampak dalam satu 'alam itu baharu—baharu-lah dapat kita membentok chara berfikir budak2 itu, watak budak2 itu, dan bagitu juga akhlak budak2 di-bentok 'alam baharu.

Tempat dalam satu Henry Gurney School ini, boleh-lah kita gunakan di-tempat2 yang lain mithal-nya kita bawa pergi ka-Johor, ka-Perak-kah—kita bawa di-satu ka wasan luar.
Jadi ini lebeh tepat, Tuan Pengerusi, untok hendak membentok akhlak2 budak2 itu.

itu—jadi Tuan Pengerusi, berkenaan dengan kem di-Taiping, saya pernah masok di-situ, bukan sa-bagai detainee, tetapi saya sudah masok melihat dahulu barangkali sudah lama dekat 10 tahun.

itu jail Jadi kem itu juga, Tuan Pengerusi, apa salah-nya kalau kita bawa pergi ka-luar bandar.

Orang2 ini di-beri juga vocational.


Tanah2 atau hutan2 kita yang itu tidak develop, beri orang bekerja, dapat-lah dengan sendiri-nya develop daripada kita di-Taiping di- bawa barang2 bagi segala kemudahan.

Jadi orang jahat kita beri kemudahan2 maka banyak-lah orang ini suka hendak masok jail.
Kalau sa-kira-nya Menteri kita ini boleh menyediakan satu bilek dan banyak lagi kemudahan2 (facilities) bagi orang detainee, boleh bawa isteri, boleh bawa anak dan anak itu boleh keluar belajar, bapa dan emak dudok dalam jail, saya pun hendak meminta satu bilek dalam (Ketawa).

Tetapi yang kita maksudkan tahanan orang2 ini ia-lah kita, sa-bagai satu balasan kapada akhlak2 yang mereka lakukan.

Jadi kita bawa ka-satu tempat itu dapat merasa yang jiwa mereka di-atas kesalahan yang dia lakukan.
Itu tidak pula saya menafikan apa, kawan saya di-sabelah, meminta ba hawa orang2 yang di-tahan itu dapat bahan2 literature bagitu dan bagini.

Tetapi yang saya maksudkan dari segi pokok (fundimental) orang2 yang kita hendak membetulkan akhlak2-nya itu, tidak boleh hidup dalam satu environ ment yang sama dengan orang2 yang baik.
Ini ada-lah satu kesilapan dari pada Menteri kita yang datang daripada Taiping, dia tidak ambil tahu langsong masaalah di-Taiping sedangkan dia beranak daripada kechil dudok di- Taiping.

Jadi ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, boleh kita bawakan pergi ka-kawasan luar bandar, barangkali Menteri kita dari Taiping tahu, kawasan Tupai itu tempat manusia selalu melawat dan sekarang tidak ada, Tupai dan cherita2 Tupai itu sudah tidak ada lagi dan kawasan itu sudah di-buat deve lopment yang chantek.
ini Dr Lim Swee Aun: (Interruption).

Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Ini, Tuan Pengerusi, jadi saya tunjok- kan sa-bagai chontoh-nya, erti-nya kem yang sa-macham tidak-lah patut ini memakan space kita di-dalam Mr Speaker: Jadi Ahli Yang Ber- hormat tidak mahu hendak menjawab, bagitu!

2035 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2036 Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Saya pun lupa, Tuan Pengerusi.

Jadi space kita di-dalam bandar itu sa-patut-nya kita menggunakan untok rumah2 sekolah dan rumah2 yang lebeh baik dari itu.
Ini satu perkara yang merupakan kesedaran bagi negara kita bahawa orang yang sa-macham itu mendapat tempat yang layak untok kita hendak reform akhlak2 mereka itu.

Jadi tidak, Tuan Pengerusi, banyak Ahli2 daripada Front Socialist, dalam Parti Buroh, dan tiap2 kali masok Parlimen dia memintakan kem itu di-elokkan, tempat makan baik, doktor buat banyakkan di-situ, perbesarkan dan beri macham2 lagi kemudahan sebab tahu orang dia hendak masok dia tempat2 ka-dalam supaya di-buatkan yang elok (Ketawa).
Jadi ini, Tuan Pengerusi, dia chuba hendak menjadi- kan kem tempat training orang2 dia di-sana chukup dengan segala kemudahan (Ketawa), dengan satu nada dia hendak membela orang2-nya.

Jadi saya tidak bersetuju- lah, Tuan Pengerusi, kalau hendak di-adakan tempat yang elok pun pada satu dua untok Yang di-Pertua-nya dan kawan2-nya, chukup-lah (Ketawa).

itu sa-bagai satu Dr Lim Swee Aun: Sir, on a point of clarification—is the Honourable Member regretting that there are very few P.M.I.P.

Members inside?
Members inside?

Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Pengerusi, kalau di-tempat2 yang baik itu boleh di-beri kapada Parti2 yang lain di-tempat2 yang bagitu juga boleh-lah di-sediakan kapada P.M.I.P.

(Ketawa).

Dan lagi pula kalau di- sediakan bagitu, untong, Tuan Penge rusi, apabila Kerajaan Perikatan besok2 jatoh, P.M.I.P.

pula memerentah—jadi kami memegang—Menteri ini masok dia dapat tempat yang baik pula bagitu (Ketawa).

Persiapan itu persiapan bagi saving clause.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Untok penjelasan, Tuan Pengerusi, Wakil daripada Bachok sekarang dia mem- beri amaran kapada Perikatan Pusat.

Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Pengerusi, yang saya maksudkan kalau sa-kira-nya Menteri2 kita ini buat tidak buat salah, kita salah, kalau menggunakan orang2 ini sa-bagai pe- gawai2 kita, sebab orang2 ini mem- punyai pengalaman, kerana kita hendak menchari pengalaman.
Jadi, yang saya ia-itu nama bagi Henry maksudkan itu di-ubah kapada Gurney School nama sa-siapa-lah, dan bagitu juga, kalau boleh, di-pindahkan pergi ka- kawasan luar bandar dan bagitu juga kem di-Taiping dengan menitek berat- kan kapada orang2 itu dan reform akhlak mereka itu.
vocational pelajaran Dato' Dr Ismail: Mr Chairman, Sir, I would like to reply by saying that I could not agree more with what has been said by the Honourable Member for Tanjong that the amount of money spent on prisons and detention camps is a matter of great concern.

In fact, the very fact that the amount is not astronomical is a tribute to the Alliance Government in the manner that it has managed to contain subversion in this country (Applause).
The fact that we have to spend this amount of money which can be spent on development, I think is a reflection on those Opposition parties who connive at the people who try to subvert this country.

Sir, the Member for Batu said that in a modern society detention camp is an unnecessary evil.

I cannot agree more if that modern society consists of people, who take great interest in peace and security of this country.
Unfortunately, in our society here, there are people who try to subvert the country, and there are political parties, who for one reason or another, either connive at or they pretend not to know that these subversive elements are in their midst, and in some cases I am tempted to come to the conclusion that these people are trying to make use of the subversive elements to further their political ambitions.
Sir, the Honourable Member for Batu asked that with the amount of money asked for detention camps and prisons whether it was my intention to rope in more detainees.

I will not hesitate to answer him, that so long as our security is threatened, so long as there are people who try to subvert this country, I will rope in as many detainees as are consistent with our 2037 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2038 policy to preserve peace and good order in this country.
those provided Now Sir, the Honourable Member for Batu drew our attention to one detainee in Singapore, who managed to get through his law examination; and he said that if such facilities were given to our detainees in our detention camps, probably, more of them would qualify, would pass law examinations.

Sir, the that we provide here are facilities no different from in Singapore.
The fact that some of the detainees do not sit for law examinations and have not passed any law examination, that cannot be blamed on me, or on the facilities afforded to them.

He mentioned the news papers especially the ones in Rumi should be supplied to the detainees.

I wonder why he should particularise newspapers in Rumi and not in Jawi.

There are also very important news papers in Jawi.

these that trying Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Sir I was merely the to show moment the non-Malay is literate in Rumi.
In years to come maybe when they are literate in Jawi, I will ask for Jawi as well.

But let us go step by step.

that at Dato' Dr Ismail: The fact is that it is not customary to supply newspapers to detainees simply for the reason that it is very expensive, but I would try to be constructive and consult my colleague, for Broad the Minister casting and Information, whether we cannot supply the news summaries to the detainees.
Now, Sir, he also suggested that when this camp in Kuching is completed, those detainees from Sarawak who are now at Batu Gajah should be trans ferred there.
These detainees who are in Batu Gajah Camp, as I mentioned in a previous statement to the House, are there not because we would like them to be there, but because we want to segregate them, because they are the hard cores: we do not want them to infect the less-hardened detainees in Sarawak and as regards these hard-core detainees in Batu Gajah, their cases are being reviewed periodically and, if we consider that they are safe to be transferred, certainly even if not for any reason, from the humanitarian angle we would transfer them back to Sarawak.
Now, he suggested that one doctor experienced in orthopaedic surgery in Batu Gajah camp should be allowed to render his professional service free in the hospital nearby.

Sir, this doctor is detained because his activities were considered prejudicial to the security of this country.

If we allow him to practise orthopaedic surgery, what is to prevent him, for example, if one of the patients happens to be me there, to experiment on me, let me have a taste of what he has suffered?
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Sir, I am sur prised that here is a doctor himself casting a slur on a fellow member of his own profession.

It is most unworthy of a member of the noble profession of medicine to cast a slur on a colleague.

Dato' Dr Ismail: Sir, I am trying to generalise from the particular.

After all, in every profession there are black sheep in the profession.

I am not saying that this doctor is a black sheep, but I was just putting a hypothetical case.
If he should deduce from my summary that I am casting a slur on the medical profession, of which I am one of the members, then it is a great shame on that him—not on me.

I never cast reflection on the profession at all.

The Honourable Enche' Stephen Yong wanted that the facilities in the Detention Camp in Kuching should be similar to those going to be provided in Batu Gajah.
When I made my introductory speech I did mention that the facilities that would be provided in the Kuching Detention Camp would be similar to those provided in the new Detention Camp in Batu Gajah.

Then he made a very extraordinary observa tion.

He said that people are detained on suspicion.

Sir, it is never my habit, nor the habit of responsible police officers to detain people on suspicion.
We go into every case very carefully, and each case is being reviewed by the Review Committee, and it has never been said that we have detained people merely on suspicion.

We have good grounds when we detain any person.

2039 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2040 He also enquired why, when formerly the amount asked for the prison in Kuching was $2 million, now the amount has gone up.

As regards the sum of $2 million, it was only the estimated sum that was thought possible to be spent in 1965.
It did not represent the full sum required.

Finally, I would like to reply in the national language to my Honourable friend the Member for Bachok.

Yang pertama sa-kali, usul2-nya itu semua telah terlintas di-kepala saya dan pegawai2 yang bekerja di-bawah saya.

Saya pun ada berfikir kadang2 patut- tidak kita hantar orang2 di- kah Detention Camp ka-Kelantan supaya buka hutan2 di-sana.
Tetapi di-fikirkan tidak sesuai dengan keadaan ia-itu orang2 yang kita ini kerana tahan mereka itu ada-lah di-tahan bukan-nya mereka telah kena hukum.

Dan di-atas hendak menukar nama Henry Gurney School dengan alasan nama ini di-beri masa penjajah dahulu.

Di-sini saya suka-lah menyatakan ia-itu Sir Henry Gurney ini sa-bagai nama yang di-ketahui oleh Yang Berhormat itu ia-lah High Commissioner di-sini dahulu, dan dia telah meninggal dunia di-sini kerana dia di-serang oleh kominis.
Walau pun dia itu pegawai daripada Kerajaan penjajah tetapi ada juga jasa dia pada menentang kominis yang hendak menawan negeri kita ini.

Dan atas shor-nya supaya nama seko- lah itu di-tukarkan kapada nama Dr Ismail School.

Pujian2 ini sunggoh pun tidak selalu Ahli Yang Berhormat itu memuji saya; selalu dia keji saya, saya menguchapkan terima kaseh dan terima chadangan-nya saya itu kerana saya tidak hendak mengekal- kan nama saya dan saya mengikut ajaran Nabi Muhammad s.a.w.
ia-itu saya tidak hendak nama saya itu di- kekalkan bila saya sudah meninggal dunia (Tepok).

tidak-lah Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $85,535 for Head 112 and the sum of $5,961,500 for Head 201 agreed to stand part of the Develop ment (Supplementary) (No.

2) Estimates, 1965.

House resumed.

Mr Speaker: Honourable Members, I have to report that the Committee on the Development (Supplementary) (No.

2) Estimates, 1965, has progressed up to Head 201 of the Estimates.
The House is now adjourned till 10 a.m. tomorrow.

Adjourned at 8.10 p.m. 2041 10 NOVEMBER 1965 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE AND CO-OPERATIVES Padi Planters and Vegetable Farmers 1.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew asks the Minister of Agriculture and Co-opera tives how many per cent of the padi planters are Malays and other races and how many per cent of the vegetable farmers are Chinese.

The Minister of Agriculture and Co operatives (Tuan Haji Mohd.
Ghazali bin Haji Jawi): The last occupational census by races was in 1957 where the racial composition was as follows: (a) Padi farmers— Malays Chinese Other races ... (b) Vegetable farmers— Chinese Malays Other races ... 96% 2% 2% 84% 15% 1 % Bank Bumiputra—Bank Ra'ayat the 2.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Agriculture and Co-opera tives when the Bank Ra'ayat will be established or whether this project has been shelved or abolished in favour of the Bank Bumiputra.
If this is so, what is the reason for this decision.

Tuan Haji Mohd.

Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: The Government envisages the Bank Bumiputra fulfills the same objec tives as proposed for Bank Ra'ayat and as such considers Bank Bumiputra and Bank Ra'ayat as one and the same thing.

2042 rubber to prevent fragmentation of estates.

Tuan Haji Mohd.

Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: No legislation is contemplated.
However provisions have been made in the National Land Code to empower the State Authority to control sub division of lands.

Purchase of Estates by MARA or FLDA 4.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Agriculture and Co-opera tives whether the Government will introduce legislation to enable MARA FLDA or any other Statutory Authority to buy large estates, particularly from European Concerns that are winding-up their interests here and thus ensuring the continuity of maximum production and at the workers of their employment.

the same time assuring Tuan Haji Mohd.


Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: No legislation is contemplated on this matter.

Animal Husbandry the 5.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Agriculture and Co-opera tives to state: (a) the reason all the posts for Ani mal Husbandry are monopolized by Veterinary Surgeons and that graduates possessing, B. Ag.

Sc.
Sc.

(Animal Production) cannot and have not been employed for such post; (b) whether he is aware that no progressive country puts animal production nutrition, economies, technologies, solely in the hands of the profession of Veterinary Surgeons, and if so, whether he will open this avenue of employ ment to the graduates of the Faculty of Agriculture, Univer sity of Malaya as well.

Fragmentation of Rubber Estates 3.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Agriculture and Co-opera tives whether the Government will con sider introducing appropriate legislation Tuan Haji Mohd.

Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: In the past emphasis has been on animal health.
However, since animal health in this country has now reached a high standard, it is the policy of the 2043 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2044 Ministry, in keeping with the Govern ment Agricultural diversification efforts, to give greater emphasis on animal production.

In the light of this, it is the Department of that expected future Veterinary Services will employ officers with qualification in animal husbandry.
For the time being it the veterinary surgeons who have had specialised training in animal husbandry will be able to cope with the present develop ment programme.

is considered that in Agricultural Graduates from University of Malaya 6.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Agriculture and Co-opera tives if he is aware that although the Bachelor of Agricultural Science Degree from the University of Malaya is not recognised for research by the Govern ment, such graduates are being grabbed up by Commercial Firms for SPECIA LIST and other RESEARCH purposes and are doing very well indeed; and if so, to state what steps his Ministry proposes to take to remedy this.

Tuan Haji Mohd.
Tuan Haji Mohd.

Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: The Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives is aware that commercial firms are employing graduates of agri culture from the University of Malaya.

But it is not known in what capacity they are employed.

The Ministry of Agriculture and Co-operatives, since the first batch of agricultural graduates the University of was produced by Malaya, has recruited no than 7 graduates in the Department of Agri agronomic culture, research.
For the other research posts the existing schemes of service specify that the minimum requirement would be specialisation in the particular disci pline.
But as the Faculty of Agriculture now does not provide specialist courses in is actively considering in what manner the existing scheme of service for research posts can be modified so that graduates of the Faculty of Agriculture of the University of Malaya with specialisa those disciplines the Ministry including 2 less in tion in the research disciplines may be recruited to these research posts.

Co-operative Societies 7.

Enche' Mohd.


Daud bin Abdul Samad bertanya kapada Menteri Per- tanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama, berapa banyak-kah Sharikat2 Kerjasama yang ada di-seluroh Malaysia daripada: (a) Sharikat Kerjasama Kampong.

(b) Sharikat Kerjasama Nelayan.

(c) Sharikat Kerjasama Kilang Padi.

(d) Sharikat Kerjasama Kedai.

Tuan Haji Mohd.

Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: Bilangan Sharikat2 Kerjasama yang berdaftar seluroh Malaysia pada 31-12-64 ia-lah 3,367.
Keterangan bagi bilangan Sharikat2 bagi 4 jenis yang di-kehendaki itu ia-lah: (a) Sharikat Kerjasama Kam ... pong (Rural Credit) (b) Sharikat Kerjasama Nela yan (c) Sharikat Kerjasama Kilang Padi (d) Sharikat Kerjasama Kedai 1,638 76 387 274 Co-operative Societies' Accounts 8.

Enche' Mohd.
Enche' Mohd.

Daud bin Abdul Samad bertanya kapada Menteri Per- tanian dan Sharikat2 Kerjasama, apa- kah sebab-nya pehak Kementerian Sharikat2 Kerjasama tidak mengadakan Juru2-kira Kerajaan bagi memereksa kira2 seluroh Sharikat2 Kerjasama di- Malaysia.

Tuan Haji Mohd.

Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: Bahagian Kemajuan Sharikat Kerjasama dalam Kementerian Per- tanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama memang telah mengadakan satu chawangan odit khas untok mengodit kira2 semua Sharikat2 Kerjasama.
Akan tetapi pada masa ini maseh ada beberapa jawatan kerani2 odit yang kosong oleh kerana tidak ada chalun2 yang layak untok memenohi-nya.

Walau bagaimana pun untok tindakan memenohi jawatan2 itu dengan segera- nya.

sedang di-jalankan 2045 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2046 9.

Enche' Mohd.

Baud bin Abdul Samad bertanya kapada Menteri Per- tanian dan Sharikat2 Kerjasama, dari- pada sharikat2 kerjasama itu, berapa banyak-kah yang dapat membentangkan penyata kira2 sharikat dalam Meshuarat Agong Tahunan-nya.
Tuan Haji Mohd.

Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: Bilangan Sharikat2 yang dapat membentangkan penyata kira2 yang telah di-odit ia-lah lebeh kurang 1,000 sa-tahun.

MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND INDUSTRY Kerosene the 10.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Commerce and Industry to state if it is true that the oil companies have decided to divide the kerosene business in Malaysia and Singapore in this way: Shell Esso Caltex Mobil B.P.

59.5% 21.0% 13.0% 11.5% 5.0% ...


If so, whether it is also true that the oil companies have agreed that which ever company that sells more than its agreed quota will have to buy back at market prices the "oversold" quantities from the oil company which sold less than the agreed quota.

If this is the case whether the Minister of Commerce and Industry will appoint a committee to inquire into this evil practice of price fixing by these big oil cartels and introduce anti-Trust Laws in this country.
Dr Lim Swee Aun: From the infor mation available to my Ministry there is no evidence of such practice of price fixing amongst the big oil companies.

However, should there be definite proof that the oil companies are dividing up the kerosene business in Malaysia and alleged, Government Singapore would be prepared to take appropriate action.

as Import of Sugar 11.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Commerce and Industry the reasons for the Government's intention to introduce a tender system for the import of sugar, whether he is aware of the protest of the sugar associations in this country, and if so, what action he intends to take regarding this protest.

Dr Lim Swee Aun: I have on more than one occasion explained in this House the peculiarities of the world sugar market in that it is both a free and a "tied" one.
In the free market there are violent fluctuations of the price which varied from as high as £110 to as low as £19 per ton.

When quota restriction on the import of sugar was introduced based on past performance it was unforeseen that the free market price of sugar would fall so low.

The price deferential between sugar imported under quota and that refined locally at Prai gave rise to large profits to a few quota holders who were big importers before.
On representations made by the sugar merchants objecting to allocation based on past performance and after careful consi deration Government decided to intro duce the tender system in order to even out the benefits which otherwise would go to a few importers.

the Since the announcement of the tender system the protests from sugar mer chants have come only from those who were previously allotted large quotas based on their past performance.

12.
12.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Commerce and Industry if he is aware that the sugar mer chants in Penang, Perak, Selangor and Malacca have accused the Government of competing with them in the import of sugar following its decision to intro duce a Tender System, and if so, whether he will state the reasons for introducing the Tender System.

Dr Lim Swee Aun: Yes.

I am aware of the criticism by the sugar merchants the Tender System.
The regarding 2047 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2048 Government does not import sugar therefore does not compete with the traders.

The reasons for introducing the Tender System are given in the answer to the Hon'ble Member's oral question.

(b) Tidak ada perangkaan berkenaan dengan pertanyaan ini.

(c) Berkenaan dengan kadar bunga, pengilang2 padi berkira dengan Bank yang berkenaan.

Rice for Government Stock Pile 13.


Raja Rome bin Raja Ma'amor bertanya kapada Menteri Perdagangan dan Perusahaan berapa banyak beras yang telah di-beli oleh Kerajaan untok Stock Pile dari kilang2 beras dalam Persekutuan Tanah Melayu, bagi tiap2 tahun 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963 dan 1964 dan berapa harga yang telah di-bayar pada tiap2 tahun tersebut.
Dr Lim Swee Aun: Daripada tahun 1959 hingga 1964, banyak-nya beras yang di-beli menurut Harga Paling Rendah yang di-Jaminkan ia-lah sa- perti berikut: Tahun 1959 1960 1961 1962 1963 1964 Jumlah ton di-beli Berapa di-bayar 68,935.2527 $28,768,527.66 91,288,100.05 86,049,918.92 50,882,996.15 58,384,830.98 95,685,825.17 221,151.2467 206,936.0284 122,860.4991 141,178.5172 219,071.6410 14.
Raja Rome bin Raja Ma'amor bertanya kapada Menteri Perdagangan dan Perusahaan, dalam hal membeli beras untok Stock Pile, terangkan: (a) berapa peratus beras yang di- terdapat dari taksirkan boleh pada satu pikul padi; (b) apa dia kilang padi yang me- ngeluarkan peratus beras yang tertinggi sa-kali; (c) bagaimana-kah chara-nya Kera jaan menetapkan kadar faedah atas pinjaman2 yang di-ambil oleh kilang2 padi tersebut dari Bank2, dan berapa banyak faedah satu yang di-kenakan ka-atas pikul cadi yang di-kisar untok Stock Pile.
Dr Lim Swee Aun: (a) Hetong panjang dari 60 hingga 65 peratus beras di-perolehi dari pada sa-pikul padi, bergantong kapada jenis padi yang di-kisar.

15.

Raja Rome bin Raja Ma'amor bertanya kapada Menteri Perdagangan dan Perusahaan berapa peratus beras ter termasok beras hanchor) (tidak dapat daripada satu pikul padi yang di-kisar oleh kilang2 Kerajaan di- Anak Bukit, Arau dan Telok Anson.
Dr Lim Swee Aun: Hetong panjang lebeh kurang 62 hingga 65 peratus sa-pikul beras di-perolehi daripada padi, bergantong kapada jenis padi yang di-kisar: Beras di-perolehi (i) Anak Bukit (ii) Arau (iii) Telok Anson ... 60-65 peratus 60-65 peratus ... 62-65 peratus Agency Houses 16.
Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber tanya kapada Menteri Perdagangan dan Perusahaan ada-kah Kerajaan sedar bahawa 90% daripada ekonomi negeri kita maseh di-kuasai' oleh Ajensi2 Ero- pah; jika ya, apa-kah langkah2 penga- wasan yang di-kenakan ka-atas Badan2 Ajensi ini oleh Kerajaan supaya mereka sa-jalan dengan dasar Kerajaan hendak memberi peluang kapada bumiputra dalam bidang impot dan eksepot.
Dr Lim Swee Aun: Malaysia mengamalkan kebebasan dalam dasar perniagaan-nya dan oleh kerana itu Kerajaan tidak champor tangan dengan perniagaan2 yang sah, sama-ada per- niagaan2 itu di-mileki oleh ajensi2 tem- patan atau ajensi2 Eropah.

Kerajaan hanya boleh merayu kapada sharikat2 asing ini supaya memberi lebeh banyak lagi peluang bekerja dan berlateh ka pada ra'ayat bumiputra.
Walau bagaimana pun, semenjak tahun 1962, Kerajaan telah menjalan- kan langkah2 yang berikut : (a) Sharikat2 asing hanya di-benar- kan berniaga dengan negara2 jika di-tubohkan dalam lain negeri ini dengan penyertaan modal2 tempatan.

2049 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2050 (b) Sharikat2 asing yang di-tuboh- kan dalam negeri ini mesti-lah menjemput penyertaan modal dari dalam negeri dan kadar modal itu hendak-lah 51% asing dan 49% tempatan.
(c) Sharikat2 asing tidak di-benar- kan mengambil bahagian dalam perniagaan ronchit.

National Poductivity Centre 17.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Commerce and Industry to state (a) what efforts have been made to train Malaysian to eventually take over the running of the National Pro ductivity Centre, (b) whether he is aware that most of the local officers seconded to this Centre have left it, and (c) whether it is true that the Director of the Centre, Mr S. A. Abishegam himself that he is thinking of leaving the Centre.
If so, whether he will take immediate steps to remedy this sorry state of affairs.

is so dillusioned Dr Lim Swee Aun: (a) Five local officers had been recruited to under study the five I.L.O.

experts assigned to the National Productivity Centre.

In addition to being trained locally by the I.L.O.


experts two of these local officers or counterparts have also been sent overseas for advanced fellowship training, (b) and (c) It is not correct that most of the local officers seconded to this Centre have left it.

Of the 3 local officers seconded to this Centre, only one Mr S. A. Abishegam, the Director of the Centre has left to accept an attractive offer of employment in an industrial firm.
It is the policy of the Government not to stand in the way of its officers who wish to leave Govern ment service for better prospects else where.

of quota restrictions on imports; that a quota system based on 1963 imports is unrealistic as most manufacturers were only beginning to produce their goods in 1963 and some started production even later, and that owing to this quota restriction these manufacturers had to reduce production and retrench staff.
If so, whether he will reassure the House that the policy on quota restriction will be reviewed once again in the light of changing circumstances.

Dr Lim Swee Aun: I am aware of the statement made by Tun H. S. Lee at the recent annual conference of the Federation of Kwang Tung Association but I am not aware of local manufac turers of the items under quotas having to reduce production and retrench staff as a result of the imposition of the quotas.
In fact the effect of the quotas is to control imports so as to enable manufacturers to increase production to supply the local market in place of imports.

I can assure the Hon'ble Member that the quota restriction is used as a temporary measure and many have been removed.

Tourist Information Office 19.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Commerce and Industry if he is aware of the complaint of one Mr Nick Mason that appeared in the Sunday Times of 3rd October, 1965, of the inadequacies of the Government Tourist Information Office in Kuala Lumpur, and if so, what steps he pro poses to take to iron out these inade quacies.

Dr Lim Swee Aun: I am aware of the referred the complaint Hon'ble Member for Batu.

to by Local Production and Import Quota Restrictions 18.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Commerce and Industry if he is aware that Tun H. S. Lee, the first Finance Minister for Malaya, speaking at the recent annual confer ence of the Federation of Kwang Tung Associations, called for the abolishment The inadequacy of the present site of the Government Tourist Information Office is known and efforts are being to obtain a more convenient made location.

Several suitable sites have been applied for but they are not available.
Regarding tour itineraries and sche dules, the Tourism Division has been liaising with tour operators and travel 2051 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2052 agents to keep the Division supplied with such information and those which have been supplied by tour operators can be obtained at the Information Centre upon request.

Tour itineraries and schedules offered by tour operators do provide for internal air travel where such travel is possible.
The Government welcomes construc tive suggestions such as those made by Mr Mason for improving tourist service.

They will be given serious consideration.

APs (Approved Permits) 20.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Commerce and Industry whether he is aware of the complaint by a member of the Johore Chinese Chamber of Commerce, Mr Lee Chin Yap that businessmen in Johore had to go all the way to Kuala Lumpur to personally see Government Officers who acted as "middlemen" so that the businessmen could get their APs (ap proved permits) cleared, and if so, whether he has investigated this allega tion and, if it is true, what action he has taken against the officers concerned.
Dr Lim Swee Aun: I am aware of the complaint the referred Hon'ble Member and have investigated the complaint and found no evidence to substantiate the allegation.

to by MINISTRY OF CULTURE, YOUTHS AND SPORTS Social and Cultural Programmes and Agreements 21.
Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Muda Kebuda- supaya yaan, Belia menyatakan: dan Sokan (a) berapa buah negeri yang telah mengikat perjanjian Kemasha- rakatan dan Kebudayaan dengan Kerajaan Malaysia; (b) apa ranchangan2 kebudayaan yang telah di-buat setakat ini dengan negeri2 yang berkenaan; dan (c) sama ada Kerajaan sedang mem- tukar buat ranchangan besar menukar kebudayaan dengan negeri berkenaan. ]
Menteri Kebudayan, Belia dan Sokan (Ei (Engku Muhsein bin Abdul Kadir): (a) Kerajaan Malaysia sa-hingga ini baharu mengikat satu perjanjian kebudayaan sahaja, ia-itu dengan Kerajaan Republic Korea.
Di- antara perkara2 yang telah di- persetujui di-dalam perjanjian ini ia-lah pertukaran penerbitan2, filem2, ranchangan2 radio dan talivishen, karya2 seni, penuntut2, guru2, ahli2 sains, ahli2 techno logy dan doktor2, dan lawatan2 wartawan2, penulis2, pelukis2, ahli2 musik, penari2 dan pa- sokan2 olah raga dan sukan.

Perjanjian ini telah di-initialkan pada 28hb April, 1965, di-Seoul, bersempena dengan kunjongan Y.T.M.

Tunku Perdana Menteri ka-Negeri itu.


Duta Besar Ma laysia di-Seoul telah mewakili Kerajaan Malaysia, manakala Naib Menteri Luar Korea telah mewakili Kerajaan Korea di- majlis yang tersebut.

Pada 30hb September, 1965, perjanjian ini telah pun di-tanda tangani oleh Tuan Yang Terutama Duta Besar Korea di-Malaysia bagi pehak Kerajaan Korea dan Yang Berhormat Menteri Pelajaran bagi pehak Kerajaan Malaysia dan telah di-saksikan oleh Per dana Menteri dari kedua2 Negeri yang berkenaan.
(b) Perjanjian ini belom lagi di- luluskan dan di-ratifaikan oleh Parliament dan sa-hingga belom mendapat kelulusan dan ratifai Parliament belom-lah boleh lagi di-jalankan apa2 ranchangan di- dalam perjanjian ini.

Itu pun chuma boleh di-jalankan selepas sa-bulan daripada tarikh apa- bila semua kehendak undang2 negeri ini telah di-penohi me- ngenai-nya.

(c) Kerajaan akan berusaha dengan sedaya upaya bagi menggalakan pertukaran2 yang terkandong di- dalam perjanjian itu supaya dapat di-laksanakan.
2053 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2054 MINISTRY OF DEFENCE British Soldiers 22.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Defence if he is aware that four British soldiers serving with the 1st Bn.
Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders were found guilty by a general Court Martial of having con spired to murder a village headman, Annggu Anak Otoh on 25th May, 1965, at Biawak, Sarawak, and if so, what steps he has taken or proposes to take to prevent a recurrence of such high the handed action on British soldiers serving in Sarawak and Sabah.

the part of taken against The Minister of Defence (Tun Haji Abdul Razak): Yes.

Appropriate action has been the soldiers concerned in accordance with Military Law.
As is aware all soldiers are always under strict disciplinary control.

the Hon'ble Member to Lieutenant to Captain to Major it usually takes for an army officer to be promoted from: 2nd Lieutenant Lieutenant Captain Lieutenant-Colonel to Colonel to Brigadier Colonel to Major-General Brigadier Major-General to Lieutenant-General.

What are the salary scales for each of those categories of officers.
Tun Haji Abdul Razak: The length of time it usually takes for an army officer to be promoted is shown below: Second Lieutenant to Lieutenant— Completion of four years satisfactory service as an officer cadet/officer dating from the day of commencing officers training at the Federation Military College or other recognised training establishments or the case of short service commissioned officers from the date of commis sioning.

in Welfare Work by members of the Armed Forces Lieutenant to Captain— 23.
Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Pertahanan sama ada pasokan keselamatan kita, sa-lain daripada mempertahankan negara kita apa2 di-Timor Malaysia, membuat kebajikan terhadap orang2 luar bandar di-situ; dan sama ada mereka akan terima sa-barang sagu hati sa-chara eluan atas khidmat mereka yang che- merlang itu.
Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Pasokan tentera kita ada membuat berbagai2 kebajikan terhadap orang2 luar bandar di-Timor Malaysia saperti memberi perubatan dengan perchuma, membena sekolah dan mengajar, membena mas- jid dan lain2 lagi dan mereka sememang di-galakkan berbuat sedemikian.

Per- sa-chara elaun ada untokan wang di-beri kapada pasokan tentera yang berkhidmatan di-sana.

Promotion in the Army 24.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Defence the length of time Completion of four years satisfac tory service as a lieutenant but an officer having completed two years service as a lieutenant will be eligible for selection for accelerated promotion to captain.

Captain to Major— An officer having completed 5 years satisfactory service in the rank of captain will be eligible for selection for promotion to the rank of major.
However, an officer who has passed the promotion examination may be considered for accelerated promo tion before the completion of 5 years in the substantive rank of captain.

Major to Lieutenant-Colonel— An officer having completed 6 years satisfactory service in the rank of major will be eligible for selection rank of for promotion to lieutenant-colonel.

However, an officer may be considered for accele rated promotion before the comple tion of 6 years in the substantive rank of major.
the 2055 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2056 Lieutenant-Colonel to Colonel— two An officer having completed years in lieutenant- the rank of colonel will be eligible for promotion to the rank of colonel.

However, an officer may be considered for accele rated promotion before the comple tion of two years in the substantive rank of lieutenant-colonel.

No period is laid in the Regulations for promotion to the rank of Brigadier and above and this must necessarily depend on merits and availability of posts.
In the present stage of the expansion of the Armed Forces, however, calcu lated risks are being taken and most officers are promoted by way of accele rated promotion.

The period they stay in the various ranks vary and it is, therefore, not possible to give a genera lised answer.

The salary scales for each of these categories of officers are quoted below: Substantive Ranks (after (after 2/Lieutenant Lieutenant (on appoint ment) Lieutenant two years' service as such).

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Lieutenant (after three years' service as such).

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Captain appoint (on ment) Captain (after two years' service as such).

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Captain (after four years' service as such) Captain (after six years' service as such).. Captain eight years' service as such).. Captain (after ten years' service as such) Major (on appointment) Major (after two years' service as such) Major (after four years' service as such) Major (after six years' service as such).. Major (after eight years' service as such) Major (after ten years' service as such).

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Lt.-Colonel (on appoint ment or after 17 years' service) Pay per month Marriage allowance per month Pay COLA No child ren Marriage or widower with children Substantive Ranks Pay per month Marriage allowance per month Pay COLA No child- Marriage or widowe with children (after Lt.-Colonel two years' service as s u c h ).
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Lt.-Colonel four years' service as s u c h ) .. (after Lt.-Colonel six years' service as s u c h ) .. (after Lt.-Colonel eight years' service as such).

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(after Colonel m e n t) (on a p p o i n t Colonel (after two y e a r s' service as such).

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Colonel (after four y e a r s' service as such) Colonel (after six y e a r s' service as s u c h ) .. Brigadier Major-General Lt.-General By Appointment Brigadier (when D e p u ty General Officer C o m manding) Major-General (when C o m General Officer m a n d i ng and Chief of Staff) 880 25 920 20 380 380 960 15 380 1,000 10 380 1,125 — 380 1,185 — 380 1,245 — 380 1,305 1,350 1,650 1,900 — — — — 380 380 380 380 $ 410 420 420 420 420 420 420 420 420 420 420 1,560 — 380 420 1,875 380 420 MINISTRY OF EDUCATION D.T.C.
Trained Teachers 25.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Education the reasons why D.T.C.

trained teachers are not wanted for service in Sabah and Sarawak.

The Minister of Education (Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari): Sabah and Sarawak have so far requested only for the services of teachers in secondary schools and not in primary schools in which D.T.C.

teachers are trained normally employed.


Should there be a request for the services of the latter category of teachers, steps will be taken by the Ministry to work out the neces sary secondment terms and to approach them for service there.

Compulsory Primary Education 26.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Education to state: (a) when his Ministry to introduce free compulsory pri mary education; intends the 2057 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2058 (b) what action, if any, his Ministry has taken before implementing this proposal; and (c) whether all conditions relevant to this proposal, e.g.

extra tea chers, classrooms, etc., have been considered yet by his Ministry.

Enche' Mohd.
Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari: I have appointed a Committee of Ministry officials to make a preliminary study of the problems affecting the introduction of free and compulsory primary educa tion.

This Committee has since reported to me its findings.
It is my earnest intention to introduce free compulsory primary education at the earliest possible opportunity but, as the Hon'ble will be appreciated by Member, this will necessarily have to be subject to the financial circumstances of the country and other conditions, including material facilities and ancil successful for services, lary implementation.

its The above details are now being examined further and I hope to be able to say more on this subject early next year.

Sabah Education Policy 27.


Pengiran Tahir Petra bertanya ada-kah kapada Menteri Pelajaran Kerajaan berchadang hendak meminda Dasar Pelajaran Sabah supaya sama dengan Dasar Pelajaran Kerajaan Pusat.

Jika ada apa-kah langkah2 yang akan di-jalankan dan bila-kah hendak di- laksanakan.
to the general principle that pupils are to be educated in accordance with the wishes of their parents: And whereas further provision is required for securing the effective execution of the said policy, including in particular provision for the progressive development of an edu cational the national language is the main medium of instruc tion."
in which system cheraian Ada-lah menjadi tujuan dan hasrat Kerajaan Persekutuan bahawa dasar ini akan meliputi Negeri2 pelajaran Borneo akhir-nya bagi mengembangkan di-Malaysia.
perpaduan kebangsaan ingatan Tetapi hendak-lah di-ambil bahawa sunggoh pun, menurut Per- lembagaan, pelajaran di-Negeri2 Borneo ada-lah tanggong-jawab Persekutuan, tetapi, Penyata Jawatan-kuasa Antara Kerajaan Malaysia, tahun 1962 telah menetapkan 17 di-dalam bahawa dasar dan sistem pentadbiran pelajaran di-Negeri2 Borneo (termasok Undang2 yang telah ada) pada Hari Malaysia, tidak boleh di-ganggu dan hendak-lah di-bawah jagaan Kerajaan kedua buah Negeri itu sa-hingga Negeri2 sa- balek-nya.
Bagi pertama kali kedua buah Negeri Borneo itu akan mendapat faedah pelajaran rendah perchuma mulai daripada tahun 1966 hasil dari- pada menjadi sa-bahagian daripada Malaysia, dan ada-lah menjadi harapan Kerajaan Persekutuan yang sesunggoh2- nya supaya kedua buah Negeri ini, dengan persetujuan Kerajaan masing2, tidak lama lagi akan menerima dan menurut dasar pelajaran kebangsaan demi kepentingan negara Malaysia seluroh-nya.

itu bersetuju tinggal tetap Enche' Mohd.
Khir Johari: Dasar Pelajaran Kebangsaan di-Negeri2 Tanah di-dalam Melayu mukadimmat Undang2 Pelajaran, tahun 1961, yang berbunyi: di-nyatakan ada "Whereas the educational policy of the Federation, originally declared in the Edu cation Ordinance, 1957, is to establish a national system of education which will satisfy the needs of the nation and promote its cultural, social, economic and political development: And whereas it is considered desirable that regard shall be had, so far as is com patible with that policy, with the provision of efficient instruction and with the avoi dance of unreasonable public expenditure, Language Institute, Kuala Lumpur 28.
Pengiran Tahir Petra bertanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran: (a) apa-kah pelajaran2 yang utama di-berikan kapada guru2 dari Sabah yang berlateh di-Maktab Perguruan Bahasa di-Kuala Lum pur, dan dalam bahasa apa-kah pelajaran2 itu di-berikan; (b) ada-kah Kerajaan berchadang ramai hendak menerima lagi guru2 dari Sabah untok ber lateh di-Maktab tersebut; lebeh 2059 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2060 (d) apa-kah (c) apa-kah kelayakan guru2 yang di- terima berlateh di-Maktab itu; dan tugas dan di-sekolah jenis apa-kah di-tempatkan guru2 tersebut apabila mereka tamat latehan dan balek ka-Sabah nanti.
Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari: (a) mata pelajaran utama yang di- ajarkan kapada penuntut2 Sabah di-Maktab Perguruan Perseku- tuan, Kuala Lumpur, ada-lah sa- perti berikut: (i) Pengajaran bahasa Melayu dan Kesusasteraan; (ii) Pengajaran bahasa Melayu sa-bagai bahasa pertama dan kedua; (iii) Kaedah Mengajar—Tawa- rikh, Ilmu Alam, Sains, Ilmu Hisab kapada Kelas2 Sekolah Rendah Atas dan Menengah Rendah; (iv) Latehan Mengajar—Kelas2 Sekolah Rendah Atas dan Menengah Rendah.
(b) sa-banyak 15 tempat ada-lah di- khaskan bagi Sabah pada tahun 1966 saperti pada tahun 1965; (c) kelayakan yang di-chadangkan itu ada-lah S.C./F.M.G/M.C.E./ S.P.M.

dengan pujian dalam bahasa Melayu dan 2 lagi mata pelajaran; (d) guru2 ini akan di-tempatkan mengajar ka-Sekolah2 Rendah Kerajaan dari mana mereka atau ka-lain2 datang dahulu Sekolah Rendah Kerajaan me- nurut arahan Pegawai Pelajaran Daerah.

Bahasa pengantar di-sekolah2 ini ia-lah bahasa Melayu.
Tugas2 mereka ia-lah mengelolakan pe ngajaran bahasa Melayu di- dan/atau membantu sekolah bahasa ranchangan mengajar yang kebangsaan Inggeris menggunakan bahasa dan China.

di-sekolah2 Lower Secondary School, Bukit Gambir 29.
Enche5 Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran ada- kah Kerajaan sedar bahawa murid2 Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan, Bukit sekarang ini menghadapi Gambir, kesulitan hendak belajar di-Sekolah Rendah di-situ dan jika sedar, ada-kah pembenaan sa-buah Sekolah Menengah Rendah di-Bukit Gambir sedang di- ranchangkan dan bila-kah ranchangan itu di-laksanakan.

Enche' Mohd.
Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari: Saya sedar tentang masaalah yang di-sebut oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat, dan saya telah pun mengarahkan supaya di- bena bangunan baharu untok Sekolah Menengah Rendah di-Bukit Gambir.

Bangunan itu ada-lah di-jangka siap dalam tahun 1966.

School Girls' Deliquency 30.


Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran supaya menyatakan hasil penyiasatan Kemen- terian-nya mengenai tudohan sa-orang ahli Bebas Majlis Bandar Kuala Kangsar bahawa penuntut2 perempuan di-situ melachorkan diri mereka dan jika tudohan itu tidak benar, apa tinda- kan Kementerian-nya berchadang hen dak yang terhadap berkenaan.

ambil ahli Enche' Mohd.


Khir Johari: Tudohan itu di-dapati tidak benar dan laporan di-atas perkara ini akan di-kemukakan kapada Peguam Negara bagi satu2 tindakan yang di-fikir mustahak.

Scholarships for Agriculture 31.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Education the number of scholarships students awarded studying: to (a) in the Faculty of Agriculture, University of Malaya; and (b) abroad, for the years 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963 and 1964, and also to state why so few scholarships have been given to students studying agriculture in the Uni versity of Malaya and whether this is because there is no agri cultural representation on the Government Scholarship Alloca tion Committee, if so, whether he will give an assurance that more scholarships will be given to deserving students studying agriculture in the University of Malaya.
2061 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2062 Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari: The to is as number of scholarships awarded students follows: studying agriculture 1961 I960 Year University of Malaya Overseas 5 1 3 4 1 2 1 12 8 7 10 13 1962 1964 1963 1965 the National Union of Expulsion of Teachers from the National Joint Council of Teachers 33.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Education if he is aware that the expulsion of the N.U.T.

from the N.J.C.T.

is ultra vires, and if so, what steps he has taken to put things right.
Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari: The power to terminate the appointment of a member of N.J.C.T.

lies with the Minister of Education.

I am personally investigating into this matter.

Teachers and Mahjong Total .

.. 40 27 For the information of the Hon'ble Member there is no such Committee as the Government Scholarship Alloca tion Committee.
All selections for the award of Federal Scholarships are made by the Public Services Commis sion and the number of scholarships subject awarded depends on the Ministry concerned and the availability of suitably qualified candidates.

a particular the requirement of for 32.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Education if he is aware that if more scholarships are given for studying in the Faculty of Agriculture, then scholar University of Malaya, ships from aid agencies, e.g.
Fullbright, Ford Foundation, Colombo Plan, etc., can be used to send students abroad for courses that are not available at the University of Malaya.

If so, what steps does he propose to implement this suggestion.

Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari: I am aware of the fact that if more scholar ships are given for courses of study in the Faculty of Agriculture, University of Malaya, then scholarships from aid agencies can be used to send students for other courses.
At the same time it should be borne in mind that he has no control over applicants who may apply for scholarships in any subject they like from aid agencies.

So far as it is known these agencies have been offering scholarships for subjects not available in the University of Malaya.

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Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Education to state if he has any basis for his accusation of teachers in the East Coast indulging in mahjong and the like outside their school hours and whether he is aware that this accusation of all the teachers has tarnished the good name of the teaching profession and has caused grave concern amongst them.

If so, what steps he proposes to repair this damage.

take to Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari: Yes, I have my basis for such accusation.
I would, however, like to make it clear that the accusation was meant NOT for all teachers as the Hon'ble Member has wrongly imputed but for those few teachers who indulge in such activities detrimental to the education of our children and the progress of education in the country as a whole as well as to their profession.
The majority of the members of the teaching profession should not worry themselves unduly since I am fully aware of the good work they do and I have every respect and reason to be appreciative for their sense of dedica tion to service and duty.

Like them, my only concern is to ensure a high standard of education in our schools.
For this purpose, it is incumbent upon me to make such observation, as I did, in order to make every teacher realise the importance of giving their best a pre-requisite amongst which is exemplary conduct on the part of the teacher himself both in and outside the school.

education to 2063 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2064 L.C.E.

Examination, 1965 35.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Education to state the number of pupils who took the 1965 L.C.E.
Examination and the amount of revenue paid up as Examination fee; how much of this will go towards paying Invigilators and Assistants, to Chief Examiners and Assistant Examiners, and what is the cost of printing question papers and the cost of stationery.

the Chief Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari: 108,265 pupils entered for the L.C.E.

Exami nation this year and the total revenue from examination fee is $1,433,040.50.
It is not possible at this stage to give expenditure invigilation work, marking, printing of question papers and supply of stationery as the payment for all these bills and claims can only be finalised at the beginning of 1966. figures for Islamic Religious Instruction that the 36.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Education when the Government proposes to legislate for a uniform system of religious (Islam) instruction in this country, whether he is aware the Muslim religious teachers, as a professional group, are the worst exploited class this country, and if so, whether the pro posed legislation will also put an end to this form of exploitation and give a fairer deal to the Muslim religious teachers.

in to unifying Enche' Mohd.


Khir Johari: In consul tation with the State Governments consideration is still being given with a view the system of Islamic Religious Instruction in this country.

Since the majority of the Islamic religious teachers do not come under the jurisdiction of my Ministry and are at present in existence eleven their Schemes of Service governing employment, it will be too presump tuous for me to comment on the status of these teachers as has been done by the Honourable Member.
But one thing I can assure the Hon'ble Member and that is—it is one of the aims of the unification exercise to streamline the professional require ments of Islamic Religious Teachers for the country as a whole.

Such changes, as have been all changes introduced by this Government until now, will certainly be for the better.

Half-pay Study Leave for Teachers 37.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Education to state: (a) the reason why about 16 Trusted/Benham Scheme teach ers most of whom are Govern ment servants are given half- pay study leave this year; (b) the grounds on which the re maining 5 were refused half- pay they were since accepted by the University and had offered at least one or more teaching subject; leave (c) why half-pay leave was denied to U.T.S.
teachers who suffer more than the other categories of teachers since the maximum of the School Certificate trained teacher has been reduced by over $3,000 during the last 20 years and in addition they are deprived of Medical and Hous ing facilities.

study the relevant Enche' Mohd.


Khir Johari: (a) The 16 Trusted/Benham Scheme teachers, most of whom are servants, were Government granted half-pay leave under terms of General Orders on the academic merits of each case, which was assessed with the assistance of the University authorities, and also the importance of the rele the vant applicants at the University.
(b) The remaining 5 teachers were not granted half-pay study leave because their academic achieve ments did not merit the pay ment of half-pay, and also because subjects the relevant chosen for study at the Univer the more sity did not reflect in our Upper urgent needs Secondary and Sixth Form Classes.

taken by subjects 2065 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2066 (c) There is no provision at present for leave the Unified on half-pay teachers Teaching Service.

under study Housing Allowance to Teachers are teachers 38.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Education if he is aware in Trusted/Benham that housing for eligible Scheme allowance provided they were teaching in former aided schools, and if so, to deny housing whether allowance the same teachers Scheme merely on the grounds that they are conforming Chinese secondary schools.

is fair to in newly teaching in it Enche' Mohd.


Khir Johari: Teachers in the Trusted/Benham Scheme in the former aided schools are eligible for housing allowance in accordance with their conditions of service negotiated between the aided school authorities concerned and the Government.

The question of payment of housing allow ance teachers, including those who are teaching in the newly conforming secondary schools is the subject of negotiation the National Joint Council for Teachers.
to all categories of in National Secondary Schools bertanya 39.

Enche' Mohd.

Daud bin Abdul kapada Menteri Samad Pelajaran, berapa banyak-kah Sekolah2 Menengah Kebangsaan yang ada di- seluroh Malaysia.

Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari: 330.

Secondary English Schools bertanya 40.

Enche' Mohd.

Daud bin Abdul Samad kapada Menteri Pelajaran, berapa banyak-kah Sekolah Menengah Inggeris yang ada di-seluroh Malaysia.

Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari: Sekolah Menengah Jenis Kebangsaan (Inggeris) (Bantuan Kerajaan)=499.
Sekolah Me nengah Jenis Kebangsaan (Inggeris) (Tidak di-bantu)=172.

Enrolment in National Secondary Schools 41.

Enche' Mohd.

Daud bin Abdul kapada Menteri Samad bertanya Pelajaran, berapa banyak-kah murid2 di-Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan di- seluroh Malaysia.

Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari: 67,276.

Enrolment in Secondary English Schools 42.

Enche' Mohd.

Daud bin Abdul Samad kapada Menteri Pelajaran, berapa banyak-kah murid2 di-Sekolah Menengah Inggeris di- seluroh Malaysia.

bertanya Enche' Mohd.


Khir Johari: Sekolah Menengah Jenis Kebangsaan (Inggeris) (Bantuan Kerajaan)=230,264.

Sekolah Menengah Jenis Kebangsaan (Inggeris) (Tidak di-bantu)=47,865.

Scholarships for Higher Studies Overseas 43.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew asks the Minister of Education to state: (a) the number of scholarships given to H.S.C.

students for higher studies overseas by the State and Federal Governments, with a the number of breakdown of scholarships given to Malays, Chinese, etc.
; and (b) whether or not students of other races have applied for such scholarships, if so, can we know the figures.

Enche' Mohd Khir Johari: (a) The Federal Government is only awarding Federal Government scholarships for higher studies overseas.

I regret that it is not the policy of the Government to give a breakdown figure of the number of scholarships given by race.

(b) Students of all races, who are Federal citizens, have applied and are eligible for Federal scholarships.
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Singapores' Admission to the United Nations 44.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of External Affairs if he is that Enche' S. Murugesu, aware 2067 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2068 Selangor State Assemblyman and a member of Malaysia's delegation to this year's United Nations General Assembly was reported to have stated that Malaysia would not sponsor to the United Singapore's admission Nations but would instead give the privilege to an African country.
If so, whether this represents the views of the Government, and if so, what steps the Government to prevent such irresponsible statements by equally irresponsible Alliance Party politicians in future.
intends take to The Prime Minister: Mr S. Murugesu was reported by the press on 18th September, 1965, to have stated at an the previous day interview airport that leaving for New York before Malaysia will not sponsor Singapore's admission to the United Nations but will instead give that privilege to an African country.

the stand of This reported statement did not, of course, represent the Government as announced by Prime Minister.
Malaysia sponsored Singa pore's admission to the world body not only in the Security Council but also in the General Assembly.

The Government has made a full investigation of this matter the result of which is as follows: According to Mr Murugesu he did not say Malaysia would not sponsor Singapore's admission.

One of the questions asked by the press suggested that Singapore preferred other Afro- Asian states to sponsor its admission.
Mr Murugesu answered that if that was Singapore's wish then Malaysia would to naturally respect other Afro-Asian countries to sponsor its admission.

He added however that Malaysia would certainly support the admission.

it and leave it It would appear therefore that from that answer to a specific question suggesting Singapore's preference it was erroneously assumed and reported by the press that Mr Murugesu had stated that Malaysia would not sponsor Singapore's admission.

Freedom of Speech is aware 45.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of External Affairs whether he that some Malaysian Colombo Plan Students in Australia told by an Australian have been External Affairs free speech was a right of Australians and to Asian students it did not apply studying the under Colombo Plan.

If so, whether he has investigated this matter and taken any action on it.
in Australia official that The Prime Minister: The Hon'ble member is presumably referring to the incident when a special writer of the "Perth Daily News" approached a the number of Asian students at University of Western Australia for their comments on the deletion of the words "White Australia" the the Australian Labour platform of the students Party.

In expressed views on the Australian Immigration policy and the treatment of Australian aborigines.
The results of the interview were published on 9th August, 1965.

Among the students inter viewed were 2 Colombo Plan scholars one of whom is a Malaysian.

the interview from An Australian External Affairs official stationed in Perth who was responsible for assistance to overseas students subsequently drew the atten tion of these students to their under taking the Colombo Plan Scholarship to refrain from engaging in political the host activities country.
under in The Government has fully investi gated the incident and is satisfied that the Australian External Affairs official concerned did not deny the right of free speech in its general sense to Asian students that he in Australia but merely drew the attention of the stu dents to their undertaking under the Colombo Plan Scholarship, to refrain from engaging in Australian political activities.
the When accepting scholarship Colombo Plan students sign an under taking among other things to refrain from engaging in political activities.

the This is a standard provision of 2069 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2070 in in Indeed participating nomination form for Colombo Plan trainees issued by the Colombo Plan Council for technical co-operation.

The Malaysian Government like all other Governments the Colombo Plan subscribe to this condi tion.
the Government's memorandum of statement of terms and conditions of Colombo Plan Scholar ship tenable, in this particular case, in Australia is a clause relating to conduct, supervision and discipline which stipu lates that: "Every scholar undergoing a course of study in Australia is subject to the control, supervision, and disci pline of the Colombo Plan Authority.
Whilst on the scholarship course he will be expected to conduct himself in a manner which is not inconsistent with his obligations to the Government of Malaysia.

In the event of his engag ing in activities or making statements or publications which are not consis tent with this simple rule he may run the risk of having the award withdrawn and being recalled to Malaysia .

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The government is satisfied that the Malaysian scholar in this incident did not deliberately try to interfere in the domestic affairs of the host govern ment but was merely, in the way of students and in answer to questions, expressing his opinion without realising he had committed a breach of a Colombo Plan Scholarship provision.

Friendly Relationship with Communist Countries 46.


Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Hal Ehwal Luar Negeri ada-kah Kerajaan akan mengu- bah dasar luar Malaysia dengan ber- usaha berbaik2 dan berdamping dengan Negara2 Blok Kominis, dan terangkan juga, dengan negeri kominis yang mana telah di-adakan perhubongan itu dalam bidang perniagaan, perdagangan dan kebudayaan.

Perdana Menteri: Dasar luar Negeri sa-sabuah negara tidak sa-harus-nya tinggal tetap bagitu sahaja bagi satu2 tempoh.
Ia-nya mesti berubah dan berkembang mengikut aliran perubahan peristiwa2 politik di-dunia.

Salah satu daripada prinsip2 politik Malaysia yang utama, ia-lah berusaha mengadakan hubongan baik dengan negeri2 yang benar2 inginkan hubongan demikian.

Ini berkehendakkan saling faham dan berbalas-balasan dalam ikhtiar membuat hubongan itu.
Jika Negara2 Block Kominis melahirkan tu- juan yang jujor dan berbaik2 terhadap Malaysia, maka mengikut kemampuan- nya mengadakan pegawai2 dan wang, Malaysia harus bersedia membalas hasrat baik itu terutama sa-kali jika penubohan ikatan persahabatan dengan negara2 akan menguntongkan Malaysia.

itu Sa-panjang yang ada kaitan-nya de ngan perdagangan dan perusahaan, negara2 block Kominis telah pun ber- niaga dengan Malaysia dalam masa yang agak panjang jua.
Mithal-nya, pengimbangan kira2 perniagaan sangat tinggi ka-pehak negeri China.

Perhu bongan perniagaan rasmi akan di- timbangkan mengikut sumbangan-nya terhadap kepentingan negara, politik dan ekonomi.

47.

Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Hal Ehwal Luar bersedia ada-kah Kerajaan Negeri mengatasi pengaroh Kerajaan Kominis China dengan mengadakan perhubo negara2 ngan Kominis Barat, saperti Russia, Yugos lavia, Rumania dan Albania.
diplomatik dengan Menteri Hal Ehwal Luar Negeri: Kerajaan Malaysia sedar akan berat- nya anchaman pengaroh Kominis China di-Tenggara Asia, yang sa-tahu kita mungkin boleh mengancham keselamat- an dan perpaduan negara Malaysia.
Wujud-nya Malaysia berasas kapada prinsip2 yang sah di-sisi Undang2 dan prinsip2 berdemokratik itu dengan sendiri-nya menjadi batu penggalang kapada kemajuan2 dasar China untok maju terus, menerusi revolusi yang tidak boleh tidak, ini-lah sebab ada-nya dasar Peking hendak menghanchorkan kita.

Kita semua tentu mengetahui benar2 akan bahaya2 yang di-hadapi oleh suatu demokrasi penoh saperti yang kita punyai, daripada faham Kominis.
Oleh itu, kita telah mendiri- kan benteng pertahanan yang kukoh untok menghadapi kekachauan Kominis 2071 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2072 dan pengalaman kita sa-lama 12 tahun dalam menghapuskan keganasan Ko minis ada-lah bokti-nya.
Malaysia tiada memperchayai faham faham Kominis Kominis sama ada (revisionist) yang sudah di-ulangkaji atau faham Marx yang itu terbiasa (traditional Marxist), tetapi Malaysia akan menimbang berhubong dengan negara2 yang chondong kapada apa2 sahaja dorongan faham politik asalkan negara2 tersebut melahirkan perasaan persahabatan yang tulus-ikhlas terhadap kita, dan dengan berasaskan kapada fahaman ini, akan menimbang meng- hantar dan menerima wakil2 diplomatik kapada atau daripada negara2 Kominis saperti Russia dan Eropah Timor Yugoslavia, di-pandang sa-kira-nya berfaedah kapada negara seluroh-nya.
Khusus-nya, kita akan menyokong apa2 langkah tindak-balas pengaroh China Kominis di-Tenggara Asia, kerana kita mengetahui akan ranchangan2 yang di- ranchangkan dalam bahagian benua ini.

Australian Immigration Regulations 48.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of External Affairs to state if he is aware that Mr Siva Kuru the newly elected President of the Overseas Students' Association of New South Wales made the allegation that Asian "being in Australia were Students treated like a bunch of criminals" by the Australian Immigration Depart ment, and if so, whether our High Commissioner in Canberra has investi gated this allegation and what is the result of his investigation.
The Prime Minister: The quotation comes from a speech made by Mr Siva- kumar of Seremban who is President of the Overseas Students Council from New South Wales.

The Overseas Students Council thirteen overseas student bodies in New South Wales and have a total of two thousand five hundred to three thousand mem bers.

The speech was made at a Student Council Dinner.


represents reference Mr Sivakumar made this allegation resolutions in to certain adopted at the Overseas Students Ser vice Conference held in Adelaide from 15th to 17th August which Mr Siva kumar, as President of the Overseas Students Council of New South Wales, attended.
One of the points contained in the resolutions is the manner in Immigration the Australian which Regulations are applied to overseas students which often contributes to the problems non-European students in Australia and the welfare of overseas students being adversely affected by restrictions imposed by the Immigration authorities.

confronting from resist attacking Whatever may be the feeling of the students Malaysia would expect them to the host country.
Any genuine grievances could be brought up with Malaysian High Commission in Australia who is con stantly in touch with Malaysian students there.

The Malaysian High Commission enjoys good relations with the Depart ment of Immigration and all Malaysian student problems taken up by the High satisfactorily Commission have been dealt with.

Afro-Asian Conference the 49.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of External Affairs if it is true that he stated that it was "IMMATE RIAL" whether Malaysia was invited or not to the Algiers Conference of Afro-Asia Nations, and if so, whether this indicates that Malaysia is veering away from Afro-Asia instead of getting into the mainstream of Afro-Asia.
The Prime Minister: The Hon'ble the Prime Minister did not exactly say that it was "immaterial" whether Malaysia was invited or not to the Algiers Con ference.

Taken in the context of his speech during this occasion, and at other times, what the Prime Minister meant was just that Malaysia would be very happy to attend the Conference, if invited, but that she will not go on her bended knees to beg for admission.

it must be Malaysia's pointed out, is a matter of right, and not of privilege.
Attendance at the Afro-Asian Conference, it must be stressed, is based on geographical grounds: i.e.

all sovereign and indepen dent countries within the geographical region of Asia and Africa.

attendance, 2073 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2074 MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING Mrs Chin Sai Khen 50.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Information and Broad casting to state: (a) the reason why Mrs Chin Sai Khen failed to get a plane flight to Kuching to be by the bedside of her husband before he passed away; (b) whether he realizes that no amount of condolence rewards, etc., will wash away the negli gence on those concerned for their failure to get to Mrs Chin a plane Kuching 28th August, 1965; and the part of Saturday, flight on (c) whether he is aware that on that day at 5.30 p.m. a Malaysian Airways Comet left Singapore for Kuching with 18 vacant seats.
If so, why Mrs Chin was not put on that flight.

The Minister of Information and Broadcasting (Enche' Senu bin Abdul Rahman): The Information Depart ment here was informed of the incident at 10 a.m. on Saturday.

As Mrs Chin had no telephone at her house in Seremban the Informa tion Office there was immediately told to convey the news to her and to make all necessary arrangements to bring her to Kuala Lumpur to catch the 1.15 p.m. flight to Singapore to embark on that evening's Comet to Kuching.
The department here also made immediate arrangements for her immi gration and passport clearances.

Un fortunately, Mrs Chin arrived here after 1.15 p.m. and the plane had already taken off.

for to Singapore At this time a cable was received from Kuching that Mr Chin would be treatment.

flown Information Because of this, from Department sought clarification Kuching by telephone but owing to poor reception it was not possible to know for sure whether Mr Chin had left.

for Singapore.
for Singapore.

In view of this, the sending Mrs Chin over that evening might be a wild goose chase, when in all probability Mr Chin was on his way to Singapore, as stated in the cable gram.

However, subsequent message indicated condition was improving and that he would remain in Kuching.

that his A seat was therefore booked for Mrs Chin on the Monday morning flight to Kuching.

To ensure that she would be on time for the flight at 7 a.m. arrangements were made for her to stay in Kuala Lumpur.
But when news of her husband's death was received in the early hours of Monday morning and broken to her, she called off the trip to return to Seremban to make necessary arrangements.

Press Coverage of Prime Minister's Visit to Sarawak the 51.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Information and Broad casting to state the reasons for the inadequate for press arrangements coverage of the Prime Minister's visit to Sarawak on 22nd August, 1965, whether he is aware that there has been a complaint by the Straits Times that its reporter had been excluded from a reception at Kuching, and if so, whether the he will assure Department of Information will co operate fully with the press at all times.

the House that that paper.
Enche' Senu bin Abdul Rahman: The Honourable Member seems to be under a misapprehension on this subject probably because he has taken note only of the complaint made by the Straits Times Reporter as published the Honourable If in Member had followed issue he would have found out the true position both from the letter to the Editor of the Straits Times from the Director of Information Services and a few days later from the statement by the Honour able Chief Minister of Sarawak himself.
the As stated by the Honourable Chief Minister, the invitations to the recep tion in Kuching were issued by his office to certain members of the press in their individual capacity only and not as journalists since no invitation 2075 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2076 was issued to the press as such.

How ever, the speeches made at the reception were duly released to all the news papers and other mass media through the Department of the same night.
Information In the circumstances, it is difficult to blame the Department for the Straits Times Reporter not getting an invita tion and fully co-operated with the press in respect of professional needs as evident from the release of speeches at the said recep tion the very same night.

the Department had Duty Officer at Press Room the 52.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Information and Broad casting if there is an officer on 24 hours duty, at the press room in the Department of Information and if not, why not; whether he is aware that this important facility must be available to the press so that information of an urgent nature will be disseminated to the press at all times of the day and night.
important facility which Enche' Senu bin Abdul Rahman: The the Honourable Member has expressed to be made available to the Press by the Press Division of the Department of Information adequately provided by arrangements existing which have been specifically made to meet the needs of the Press and their publication deadlines.

been has Thus the Press Room is open from 0830 to 2200 hours on week-days, 0830 to 2100 hours on Saturdays, and from 1500 to 2200 hours on Sundays and public holidays.
During those hours when the Press Room is not open a stand-by to receive any urgent message for transmission to or the Department.

contact officers of Press Division Officers and other senior officers of the Department are on call duty at any time of the day or night.
is on duty To facilitate mutual contact with pressmen and other connected with mass communications media, the Press Division produces and issues a "Press Guide" containing the names, addresses, telephone numbers, both office and house, of persons connected with: (i) the Ministry of Information and the Depart Broadcasting and ments under its charge—Infor mation, Radio, Television, Film Unit; (ii) Newspapers; (iii) News magazines journals; and other (iv) foreign news agencies, corres pondents and representatives; (v) High Commissions and Embassies Information (Press Attaches, Officers); (vi) Commercial and Industrial Orga Relations (Public nizations Officers, Information Officers); (vii) Mass media communications organizations (Rediffusion).
MINISTRY OF FINANCE Loans Floated the 53.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the amount of Minister of Finance loans in 1965 (a) abroad, (b) locally, and their rates of interest.

that were floated The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan Siew Sin): raised (a) Up to 25th October, 1965, the Government had two loans abroad during the year.
agreement has been Firstly, reached with the United States Government for the supply, on credit, of military equipment to the extent of US$4 million (M$12.2 million) at 3% per annum a public issue of US$25 million (M$76.4 million) was made in New York at 5 1/2% per annum interest.

interest.

Secondly, raised (b) Up to 25th October, 1965, the four Government had loans the in Malaysia during year, totalling $168 million, at interest rates ranging from 5% to 5 |% per annum.
In addition, National Defence Bonds were issued this year at interest rates ranging from 5% to 5 3/4% per 2077 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2078 annum, depending on the dates to of maturity.

Subscriptions these Bonds are still being received, and $7,173,550 have to 25th been subscribed up October, 1965.

54.
54.

Dr Lim Chong Eu asks the Minis ter of Finance to state what loans the Government has incurred from local and from foreign sources in the years 1962, 1963 and 1964, giving details of total sums of money borrowed in each case and calculated total amount of interest to be repaid at the rate of interest set for each loan when the loan is finally repaid.

the Government Enche' Tan Siew Sin: In 1962, the Government raised five domestic loans totalling $195 million.
The rates of interest for these loans ranged from 4 1/2% per annum to 5 1/2% per annum.

Interest payable up to maturity, that is, to 1980, will be $147 million.

In raised seven 1963, domestic to $223 loans amounting million at interest rates ranging from 44% to 5 1/2%.

The interest payable up to maturity, in this case, 1983, will be $169 million.

In 1964, the Government raised five domestic totalling $171 million at interest rates ranging from 4 1/2% to 6%.
The interest payable up to maturity, in this case, 1984, will be $164 million.

loans The amounts of interest mentioned above are gross figures which include interest paid on advance deposits for each of the loans in question.

amount of interest payable by 1980 will be $5 million.

the Government did not raise any foreign loans.

In 1964, Loans from Employees Provident Fund 55.


Dr Lim Chong Eu asks the Minis ter of Finance to state the total amount of money which the Government has borrowed from the Employees Provi dent Fund, and also what sums of money have been borrowed from the E.P.F.

by other organisations, which are quasi-government bodies or other non-government bodies, and the rate of interest on which these loans have been made.
Enche' Tan Siew Sin: The total the amount of money borrowed by Federation Government from the Em ployees Provident Fund as at 30th September, 1965, was approximately $1.1 billion.
Sums of money borrowed from the Employees Provident Fund by other organisations which are quasi- Government bodies or other non- Government bodies as at 30th Septem ber, 1965, and interest on which these loans were made are as follows : the rates of Description Amount (a) Quasi-Government $59,957,050 bodies Average rate of interest 4.42% (b) Non-Government bodies 49,650,178 6.46% In 1962, the Government did not raise any foreign loans.

In 1963, the Government raised two foreign loans.


Firstly, a loan of £5 million (M$42 million) at an interest rate of 6 1/2%.

The gross interest payable to the time of maturity in 1973 will be $27 million.

This is a gross figure which has not been set off against interest receivable by the Sinking Fund on stock which has been purchased the market.

Secondly, a loan of D.M.


21 million the (M$16 million) was raised from Kreditanstalt fur Wiederaufbau (Re construction Loan Corporation) of the Federal Republic of Germany for the Deepwater Wharves Project in Butter- worth at 3% interest p.a.

The total in Customs Examination Hall Subang Airport 56.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Finance if he is aware that customs officers and passengers too feel embarrassed when the examination of the luggage of passengers takes place under the eyes of onlookers in the public gallery above at the Subang Air port.

If so, what steps does he intend to take to prevent the "clearance hall looking like a public museum" as has been remarked upon by the Minister of Transport.
Enche' Tan Siew Sin: I am aware of this problem and I will examine the possibility of blocking the Customs examination hall from the view of those in the public gallery at the Airport.

2079 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2080 Prosecutions under Customs Ordinance and Excise Act 57.
Enche' Kam Woon Wah asks the Minister of Finance to state the number of cases under the Customs Ordinance, 1952 and Excise Act, 1961 which have been brought to and dealt with by the courts in the State of Selangor within the last three years and the percentage of these cases where admissions of guilt by the accused were made to the Cus toms and Excise Officers.
the last Enche' Tan Siew Sin: In the State of Selangor over three years, 28 cases were brought before the courts under the Customs Ordinance, and 186 cases under the Excise Act.

Of these, 78% were cases where admissions of guilt had earlier been made.

Aid from World Bank 58.


Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Kewangan sama- telah menjadi Ahli ada Malaysia "Kelab Bantuan kapada Malaysia" Bank Dunia yang di-anjorkan oleh negeri2 yang maju, dan jika ya, apa- kah langkah permulaan Bank tersebut dalam ranchangan-nya membantu kita.
ini Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Menteri Ke wangan telah beruchap dalam suatu meshuarat yang di-anjorkan oleh Bank Dunia, di-Washington pada 4hb Okto- ber, 1965 mengenai apa yang di- perlukan bagi pembangunan Malaysia, dengan berasaskan projek2 yang ter- masok dalam Ranchangan Pembangun an Lima Tahun Malaysia Yang Per- tama (1966-70).
Meshuarat telah di-hadhiri oleh wakil2 dari dua belas negara yang terdiri daripada Australia, Belgium, Canada, France, Jerman, Jepun, Belanda, Norway, New Zealand, Switzerland, United Kingdom dan Amerika Sharikat.
Menteri Kewangan berjaya dalam tujuan utama membuat itu, oleh kerana meshuarat uchapan telah melahirkan per- pada setujuan terhadap chara yang di-jalan- kan oleh Kerajaan Malaysia dalam tugas memajukan ekonomi dan ber- setuju pada dasar-nya bahawa suatu Badan Perundingan bagi melaraskan bantuan2 luar kapada Malaysia, perlu di-adakan.
Badan Perundingan ini, sa- terus-nya, bersetuju bersidang lagi dari 'am-nya masa ka-samasa untok mengatorkan chara2 yang patut bagi melaraskan bantuan2 saperti itu kapada Malaysia.

Ini telah di-jelaskan dalam kenyataan akhbar yang di-keluarkan oleh Bank tersebut.
sa-lepas meshuarat Dunia Tidak lama sa-lepas di-adakan meshu arat yang pertama Badan Perundingan itu, beberapa buah negara yang di- wakili dalam meshuarat itu, sa-sunggoh- telah berunding dengan Bank nya Dunia berkenaan dengan tempat hen- dak mengadakan meshuarat akan datang, yang mereka rasai patut di- adakan di-Eropah.

Ini menunjokkan bahawa sambutan awal dari negara2 yang sa-harus-nya menyumbang, ada- lah menggalakkan.
Badan Perundingan ini boleh bersidang lagi hanya sa-lepas Ranchangan Pembangunan Lima Ta hun Malaysia Yang Pertama, di-lulus- kan oleh Parlimen, dan kemudian itu baharu-lah dapat di- daripada mulakan ranchangan bantuan yang sa-benar-nya.

59.
59.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Finance to state how suc cessful has been his mission to raise the $2,000 million from abroad for the 1st Malaysian Five-Year Plan, and whether he could enumerate the countries who have agreed to help us in raising this amount of money.
Enche' Tan Siew Sin: The Minister of Finance addressed a meeting spon sored by the World Bank in Washing ton on 4th October, 1965, on the development needs of Malaysia based on the projects included in the First Malavsian Five-Year Development Plan" (1966-70).

This meeting was attended by representatives of twelve countries, viz., Australia, Belgium, Canada, France, Germany, Japan, the Netherlands, Norway, New Zealand, Switzerland, the United Kingdom and the United States.
The Minister of Finance was successful in the imme diate object of the exercise in that the meeting expressed general agreement the Malaysian Government's with approach task of economic development and agreed in principle for co that a Consultative Group ordinating to Malaysia was desirable.

This Consul to tative Group has further agreed assistance external the to 2081 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2082 of meet again from time to time to devise appropriate ways of co-ordinating such aid to Malaysia.
This was made clear in the press statement issued by the the meeting.

The World Bank after very fact that soon after the first meet this Consultative Group, a ing of number represented countries thereat had actually discussed with the World Bank the venue for the next meeting, which they felt should be held in Europe, is an indication that the initial response from potential donor countries is encouraging.
This Consul tative Group can only meet again after the First Malaysian Five-Year Develop ment Plan has been approved by Parliament, after which it should be possible to get down to the actual aid programme.

MINISTRY OF HEALTH Sungei Buloh Leprosarium "Open Day" 60.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health if he is aware that the Sungei Buloh Settlement Council has been asked to renovate and repaint the Community Hall for the "Open Day" of the Leprosarium to be held in October, 1965; that this renovation and repainting has cost the Sungei Buloh Settlement Council about $2,240, and if so, whether he will take steps to reimburse the Sungei Buloh Settlement Council for work undertaken at the request of the Ministry of Health.
The Minister of Health (Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin): It is not true to say that the Sungei Buloh Settle ment Council was asked by the Minis try to renovate and repaint the Com munity Hall for the "Open Day" of the Leprosarium held in October, 1965.

This building belongs to the Sungei Buloh Settlement Council and is main tained by it.

I do not therefore see any reason why the Government should reimburse the Council Pay Cut from Hospitalized Workers 61.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health if he is aware that workers in the Leprosarium when they are hospitalized have 70% of their pay cut, that this is contrary to the promise he made in the Dewan Ra'ayat in reply to an adjournment speech by me that he will take steps to remove this cut from the pay of workers who are hospitalized, and whether he will take action to correct the situation.
Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: What I said in reply to the Honourable Member's adjournment speech on 5th March, 1965, was that I would look into this matter more closely with a view position especially in regard to those who are absent on account of illness.

The question is still being studied by my Ministry.

improving the to Leaks in Roofs 62.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health if he is aware that the roofs of some of the houses in the labour lines at the Sungei Buloh Lepro sarium leak during a heavy rain, and if so, whether he will take steps to see is remedied as early as this that possible.

Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: I am not aware that the roofs of the houses in the labour lines of the Sungei Buloh Leprosarium are leaking.

If they are, the is occupants to the Medical Superintendent.
the responsibility of to report it Roads the roads 63.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health if he is aware that some of the workers' quarters are in a bad state of disrepair and that they have not been repaired for if so, whether he will take immediate steps to repair these badly kept roads.

the last eight years, and to Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: No, T am not.
The approach road to the workers' quarters is being improved every year and except for the last sec tion which is about four chains, the whole road has been tarred.

By 1966 the last section of the road will be tarred.

Cloth Rations 64.
Cloth Rations 64.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health if he is aware that the cloth rations issued to the female 2083 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2084 patients for Sungei Buloh Leprosarium is in respect of the cloth rations for the year 1964, and if so, to state (a) why have the cloth rations for the female patients for the year 1965 not been issued to them yet, and (b) whether he will issue instructions that the two rations for the year 1965 be issued without further delay.
Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: Due to the delay in getting the cloth in 1964 that year's ration was given at the beginning of 1965.

The ration for 1965 has already been issued to the patients in October, 1965.

65.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health if he is aware that the cloth rations for male patients have been reduced from 4 1/2 yards to 3 1/2 yards per patient, and if so, to state what are the reasons for such a cut.
If it is on the promise that the quality of the cloth will be improved, whether he is aware that this has not been so.

Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: I am recently aware that cloth ration for male patients at the Sungei Buloh Leprosarium has been reduced from 4 1/2 yards to 3 1/2 yards.

I am looking into this matter.

Patients Overstaying Their Leave 66.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health if he is aware that recently some of the patients of the Sungei Buloh Leprosarium overstaying their leave have been discharged from thus causing the Leprosarium, and great hardship the discharged to patient, and if so, whether he will take steps to put a stop to such practice.

Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: The patients who overstay their leave are usually warned or fined, but are not discharged on this account.

Eye Bank 67.
Eye Bank 67.

Enche' Kam Woon Wah asks the Minister of Health to state in view of the urgent necessity of an eye bank and in particular of recent visits to this country of eminent eye surgeons who have recommended the setting up of an eye bank, whether he would consi der introducing legislation for the set ting up of an eye bank in this country.

If so, whether he would consider utilizing the services of the Malayan Association for the Blind.

If not, why not.
If not, why not.

Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: I am quite aware of the need for an eye bank and for this reason a bill on corneal grafting has been drafted.

It is now nearing its final stage for consi deration by the Government.

My Ministry will welcome any help from voluntary organisations including the Association for the Blind to bring in donors.

Che' Tom binti Limon 68.


Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Kesihatan (a) kenapa sa-orang yang bernama Che' Tom binti Limon dari Singkang, Bukit Gambir, Muar, yang hendak bersalin telah di-kejarkan ka-Rumah Sakit Besar, Melaka pada 12hb Ogos, 1965 tetapi tidak ka-Rumah Sakit, Muar, (b) apa rawatan yang di-berikan ka- pada-nya apabila dia di-masokkan ka- Rumah Sakit Besar, Melaka, dan (c) berapa lama kemudian daripada itu dia meninggal dunia.
Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: Pertanyaan ini agak-nya mengenai Che' Tunjiah binti Asmor dari Seng- kang, Muar, oleh sebab tidak ada orang dengan nama Che' Tom binti Limon yang di-masokkan ka-Rumah Sakit Umum, Melaka, untok bersalin pada 12hb Ogos, 1965.

Che' Tunjiah binti Asmor mula2-nya di-bawa ka-Rumah Sakit, Muar dan telah di-pereksa oleh Pegawai Per- ubatan siapa telah memberi rawatan chemas oleh sebab di-dapati perempuan itu tidak dapat bersalin dengan senang.
ia-nya di-pindah kapada Kemudian Rumah Sakit Umum, Melaka, dengan ambulan oleh sebab di-Rumah Sakit, Muar, tidak ada Tabib Sakitpuan.

Rawatan dan perubatan yang mustahak telah di-beri kapada Che' Tunjiah binti Asmor di-Rumah Sakit Umum, Me laka, akan ia meninggal dunia lepas 10 jam 15 minit.

tetapi malang-nya 2085 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2086 69.


Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Kesihatan supaya menyatakan puncha2 yang bertanggong- jawab atas kelambatan memberitahu kematian Che' Tom di-Rumah Sakit Besar, Melaka, yang menyebabkan jenazah perempuan itu di-kebumikan empat hari sa-lepas kematian-nya dan ada-kah tindakan telah di-ambil ter- terlibat dalam hadap mereka yang perkara itu.
Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: Tidak-lah benar di-katakan ada ke lambatan bagi melaporkan kematian Che' Tunjiah.

Suami si-mati itu telah di-beri tahu melalui' Polis dengan sa- berapa segera lepas kematian akan tetapi suami itu tidak datang sa-hingga dua hari kemudian.

Tatkala ia sampai ia tidak mengambil mayat itu pulang.

Ia datang pula ka-esokkan hari-nya dan meminta mayat itu di-kebumikan oleh pehak Rumah Sakit.

Sa-telah itu pehak Rumah Sakit pun kebumikan mayat itu dengan tidak berlengah lagi.
Overtime to Hospital Assistants the 70.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Health if his Ministry had agreed in principle to pay overtime allowances to Hospital Assistants.

If so, why has this not been implemented; if not, whether his Ministry will start negotiations with the Hospitals Assis tants as early as possible before they go on strike.
Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: to The question of paying overtime Hospital Assistants is still being studied by the Government and it is hoped that a decision will be made soon.

Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: Dr Ramamritham resigned from the Government Service of his own accord.

I am not aware of the shabby treat ment as alleged by the Honourable Member.

Antibiotics in Chinese Medicine Shops 72.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health if he is aware of the illegal sale of antibiotics in Chinese Medicine Shops, and that (his consti tutes a menace to the health of the if so, what steps has his buyers, this Ministry practice.

to stamp out taken illegal sale of antibiotics Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: The Ministry of Health is aware of in such Chinese Medicine shops.

5 cases have already been brought to court.


Action has also been taken by the Ministry of Health to bring intensify efforts to offenders to book.

73.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health whether he is aware of the need to recruit more pharmacists to eradicate this illegal sale and that there were pharmacists in this country who cannot get jobs in the Government service.

If so, to state the reason for not recruiting them.
to Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: I am aware of the need for more Pharmaceutical Chemists to meet the requirements of the country.

It is not qualified true Pharmacists in this country who could not get job in the Government Service.

The recent advertisement to fill 13 vacancies brought in only eight can didates.

there were say Dr Ramamritham Hospital Assistants 71.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health to state the reason for the resignation of Dr Ramamri tham, the eye specialist at Malacca Hospital and whether there has been shabby treatment of Dr Ramamritham as alleged.

If so, whether the Minister does not realize that such action on the part of the senior officers in his Ministry will lead to further resigna tions.

74.
74.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health whether he is aware of the acute shortage of the old style Hospital Assistants, and if so, whether his Ministry has instituted a crash pro gramme to meet this critical shortage of Hospital Assistants.

Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: I am very much aware of the shortage.

Action has already been taken by my 2087 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2088 Ministry to embark on a revised pro gramme for training of more and more Hospital Assistants to meet the short age.
Mr P. Visuvanathan 75.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health if he is aware of the allegations by Mr P. Visuvanathan of Pokok Assam New Village, Taiping, the Taiping that his son died at Hospital for lack of medical attention in July this year, whether he has investigated this matter, and if so, what are the findings of the investigation and the action that has been taken; whether, if there has been negligence on the part of any officer, the Minister will assure the House that he would impress on all officers working in all hospitals that they should not be negli gent in their duties as such negligence may well in death as has happened in this case.
result Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: The case has been thoroughly investigated by my Ministry.

I am satisfied that there was no undue delay in examining the child as soon as he was brought to the hospital.

No blame can therefore be placed on the hospital staff.

Hospital Services the 76.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Health if he is aware that there has been allegations of lack of courtesy and of negligence regarding hospital services, that this is mainly due to shortage of staff of all categories, and if so, what steps he has taken to remedy such shortage of staff.

that Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: there have been I am aware allegations of lack of courtesy and of negligence regarding hospital services.

This is due to various factors.


Among these are shortage of staff, as stated by the Honourable Member, resulting in extra load being thrown on them and misunderstanding which frequently arises between the staff and the public.

Increasing awareness on the part of public to get more and more medical treatment and the lack of full appre ciation and understanding on their part of our limited services at this stage of the country's progress are also contri buting factors.
The Ministry has already embarked on training programmes for the various categories of staff to meet the shortage.

Goodwill Committees 77.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health what progress has been made in the formation of Good will Committees and whether they have served any useful purpose so far.

Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: There are not less than 65 Government hospitals and institutions in the States of Malaya.
Over the last two months not less than 50% of these hospitals institutions have goodwill com and mittees.

So far they have served a very useful purpose.

Salary Structure of Medical Officers the 78.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Health to state how far he has been successful in persuading his ministerial colleagues that the doctors in this country deserve a better deal, whether he is aware that not only are the number of superscale posts for doctors not adequate but the highest that a specialist can aspire to is Super- scale F which carries a salary of $1,490, and if so, what steps he has taken two needs of these to meet serving doctors.
Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: The allowances for housemen have been increased and the commencing salaries of Medical Officers and Dental Officers have also been increased recently.

I am aware of the need to improve the Superscale structure of not only the specialists but also of the administra tive Medical Officers.

A special com mittee has been appointed to go into this subject.

MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS Political Detainees 79.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Home Affairs if there are any political prisoners, who, having 2089 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2090 served the sentences meted out to them by the British, are still being kept in detention by the present Government.

If so, to state how many of these politi cal detainees are there, and of these how many are Malays.
The Minister of Home Affairs (Dato' Dr Ismail bin Dato' Haji Abdul Rah man): There are no political prisoners originally arrested by the British in the States of Malaya and the Colony of British North Borneo, who are still being kept in detention by the Alliance Government.

There are, however, still under detention in Sarawak 90 political detainees who were arrested during the period of in December, 1962, and the early days of Indonesian Militant Confrontation.

Two of these detainees are Malays.


They are being detained because, after full consideration of each case, I consider that if they were released they would present a threat to security.

the Brunei Rebellion Police Investigations 80.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Home Affairs if he is aware of the statement by Mr Justice Ali bin Hassan in the High Court at Ipoh on 7th September, 1965, that he was stunned by the low standard of inves tigations by the police in this country in certain criminal cases, and if so, what steps does he propose to improve the efficiency of this respect.
the police in Dato' Dr Ismail: I am aware of the statement made by Mr Justice Ali bin Hassan in the High Court at Ipoh on 7th September, 1965.

The learned Judge did not say that he was stunned at the low standard of investigations by the Police.

His statement was merely on the facts that the accused in the parti cular case should not have been brought before the Court and that the clothes the complainant were not worn by produced as exhibits.
The Preliminary Enquiry was ordered at the instance of the Deputy Public Prosecutor and the Magistrate who heard the Enquiry had already con sidered sufficient grounds for committing the accused for there were that trial on a charge of rape.

The com plainant's clothes were not produced because they had been washed by the complainant and the Chemist found no incriminating evidence and the Deputy Public Prosecutor decided not to pro duce them as exhibits.
I am generally satisfied with the standard of police investigations.

I am also satisfied that every effort is being made by the Police to attain the highest possible standards by sending officers on training courses both at the Police College, Kuala Kubu Bharu, and overseas.

if he the 81.
if he the 81.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Home Affairs is aware that on 25th September, 1965, a magistrate, Tuan Abdul Rani bin Haji Hussein, told a police officer, Inspector Inder Singh ''you are not fit to be a police officer.

You have been not an an interested party investigating impartial one officer".

If so, whether he has inves tigated this case and taken appropriate action so that all police officers shall at all times act impartially in the course of their duties.
as an in Dato' Dr Ismail: I am aware that on 25th September, 1965, the Kuala Lumpur Magistrate, Enche' Abdul Rani bin Haji Hussein, severely criticised Inspector Inder Singh in open court.

The Investigation Paper which resulted the prosecution of one Surjan Singh for making a false report had been perused by the Deputy Public Prosecutor, who directed the prosecu tion of Sarjan Singh and issued a sanction.
A study of the Investigation Paper has shown that Inspector Inder Singh had carried out a fair investiga indication of tion and without any being biased in favour of either party.

Training to Police Officers the 82.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Home Affairs if he is aware of the obvious shortcomings of newly appointed the Police Force, and if so, whether he will con sider establishing a Police College for the purpose of giving adequate training to police officers.
Inspectors in 2091 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2092 they Dato' Dr Ismail: Candidates for appointment to the Inspectorate must be educationally and otherwise quali fied as specified in the Police (Scheme of Service for Inspectors) Regulations, 1959.

The minimum educational quali fication is the Oversea School Certi ficate or the Federation of Malaya Certificate of Education.
Successful to serve a candidates are required three years probationary period of during which undergo time theoretical and practical training for 18 months; before becoming eligible for confirmation as Inspectors they must pass prescribed examinations in law, the Malay language and must obtain satisfactory reports on their work and conduct from their Commanding Officers.

I am not sure what the questioner means by the expressions "obvious shortcomings of newly appointed the Police Force".
They are all qualified on appointment as probationers and must further qualify themselves before becoming eligible for confirmation as Inspectors.

As regards the establish ment of a Police College, there has been a Police College in existence at Kuala Kubu Bharu ever since 1952 where courses of higher training are continuously held for Inspectors and for other police officers.

regulations Inspectors and in Police Interference in Trade Union Disputes 1965, police the accusation by 83.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Home Affairs if he is aware of the Transport Worker's Union of the police interfering in trade union disputes, that on 7th October, officer a threatened to arrest the leaders of the strikers of the Chip Seng on strike at Industrial Area, Setapak, the Light Kuala Lumpur, under the Emergency Regulations and to demolish their tents.
If so, whether this does not constitute interference in a trade union dispute and should be stopped as the police should be neutral in any trade union dispute.

Dato' Dr Ismail: On 7th October, 1965, about 35 strikers of the Chip the Seng Printing Press obstructed entrances to the office and store.

The management made a complaint to the leave strikers across to to enter or seated explained Police to the effect that their lorries were unable the premises.
Acting on the report, a party of Police under a senior police officer proceeded to the Chip Seng Press.

On his arrival there, he found male and the female entrances.

He those causing the obstruction that they were committing an offence and warned them that if they refused to clear the entrances, he would be forced to act in accordance with the law.

After his warning, those causing the obstruction cleared the entrances and the Police party withdrew.
At no time did the senior police officer or any other police officer present make any threats to any of the strikers.

the 84.
the 84.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Home Affairs to inquire into and explain, and if necessary, set up a Commission of Inquiry to investi gate into the behaviour of the police in breaking the strike of the Pahang Mail Transport Workers at Chan Sow Lin Road, Kuala Lumpur, on the 16th February when at about 12 noon 3 lorry loads of police interfered with the strike and apparently with the help of P.W.D.

drivers, removed the lorries from the area.


Dato' Dr Ismail: I have caused enquiries to be made into the allega tions against the police, of breaking the strike in connection with the Pahang Mail Transport Workers strike at Chan Sow Lin Road.

I am satisfied that the police went to the scene as a result of information their received and presence there was purely to ensure that there would be no breach of the peace.
I am to say emphatically that the police had nothing whatsoever to do with providing the drivers employed to remove the lorries,the arrangements for which were made by the manage ment.

that Tun Lim Yew Hock 85.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Home Affairs to state under what provision of the Constitution of Malaysia has Tun Lim Yew Hock been made a Malaysian citizen and whether he has fulfilled the residential qualifi cation for naturalization.
2093 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2094 Dato' Dr Ismail: Tun Lim Yew Hock was granted a certificate of naturalisation under Article 19 (2) of the Federal Constitution after he had satisfied the Government that he had the residential qualifications stipulated in the said Article.

Victims Killed or Injured by Gangsters 86.


Enche' Kam Woon Wah asks the Minister of Home Affairs to state: (a) the number of criminal cases within the last three years where innocent persons were killed or injured by thugs or gangsters in this country; and (b) whether the Honourable Minis ter would consider legislation for compensation or financial assistance to the families of the victims.
Dato' Dr Ismail: (a) The number of persons believed to be innocent who were killed or injured by secret society or thug gang members over the past three years is as follows: (i) Killed (ii) Injured 9 58 rival It should be stated that some of these victims might themselves secret be members of society or thug gangs but whose activities had not come to Police notice and as such were not traced from Police secret society records.

(b) No, as this not regarded as being a Government liability.
Citizens, Foreigners and Indigenous People 87.

Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri: (a) berapa bilangan orang2 asing yang menjadi warganegara negeri ini sejak Merdeka hingga sekarang; (b) bilangan orang2 asing dalam negeri ini, dan (c) berapa bilangan ra'ayat bumi- putra dalam negeri ini.

Dato' Dr Ismail: (a) 1,740,244 orang (sa-hingga 30hb September, 1965); (b) Lebeh kurang 1,970,000 orang; (c) Lebeh kurang 4,850,000 orang.
(Perkataan "negeri" itu di-beri ma'ana Malaysia).

Police Barrack in Tangkak 88.

Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri ada-kah Kementerian itu akan mendirikan Barrack Polis di- bandar Tangkak, dan jika ya, bila.

rendah yang Dato' Dr Ismail: Kementerian Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri sedang membuat pertimbangan untok mendirikan sa- serta buah balai polis di-Tangkak dengan 34 buah kelas "G" quarters untok pegawai2 telah kahwin.
Penting di-ingatkan bahawa ranchangan ini akan menerima perha- tian yang sama saperti ranchangan2 bangunan Polis yang lain.

Dengan itu tarikh bagi ranchangan bangunan di- Tangkak di-mulakan ada-lah bergan- tong kapada wang perbelanjaan yang akan di-beri pada masa hadapan untok ranchangan bangunan2 polis.

District Police Office at Tangkak 89.


Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri ada-kah pehak Kemen terian sedar akan beberapa kesulitan2 yang di-alami oleh 70,000 orang pendudok2 di-Tangkak sejak di-bubar- kan Pejabat Polis Daerah di-situ.

Jika ia, ada-kah Kementerian itu ber- chadang mengadakan balek Pejabat Polis Daerah di-Tangkak.

Dato' Dr Ismail: Kawasan Tangkak pada masa ini ia-lah di-bawah kawa- lan 4 balai polis, ia-itu Tangkak, Sungei Tami, Bukit Gambir dan Sagil.
Ka-empat2 balai polis ini mem- punyai kekuatan sa-orang Merinyu, sa- orang Merinyu Rendah dan 58 orang pegawai2 rendah.

Segala pengeluaran lesen2 daripada pehak polis ada-lah terdapat Polis Tangkak, senjata- kechuali pengeluaran api.

Lesen ini boleh di-dapati di-lbu Pejabat Polis Daerah, Muar, ia-itu 17 di-Balai lesen 2095 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2096 batu daripada Tangkak.

Memandang- rendah-nya bilangan2 kan kapada jenayah di-kawasan ini kawalan polis pada masa ini ada-lah di-anggap menchukupi.
Tidak ada sebab2 yang nyata untok memberi dorongan bagi kawasan ini di-tubohkan sa-buah Peja- bat Daerah Polis.

Sarawak United Peoples' Party 90.

Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri berapa buah chawangan2 Parti Ra'ayat Bersatu Sarawak (SUPP) yang telah di-haramkan sa-takat ini, sebab2-nya di-ambil tindakan demikian dan bilangan ahli2-nya yang di-tahan.

Dato' Dr Ismail: Sa-banyak dua chawangan dan tiga chawangan kechil Parti Ra'ayat Bersatu Sarawak telah di- haramkan.
Mereka ia-lah Chawangan LUNDU dan SARIKEI dan cha wangan kechil SEMPADI, Batu 24 Jalan Serian dan JAKAR.

Sebab2 telah mereka itu telah di-haramkan pun di-umumkan pada tempoh hari yang lalu.

Segala chawangan2 ini ada- lah di-bawah pengaroh komunis dan mereka telah di-gunakan untok men- jalankan perbuatan2 mengkhianat ka- atas negara.
Tidak ada chatetan2 rekod yang di-simpan mengenai perhubongan politik orang2 tahanan ini ia-lah sebab mereka di-tahan dan di-tangkap atas kenyataan2 dan perbuatan2 subversif mereka ka-atas negara.

Penangkapan dan tahanan mereka bukan di-buat atas dasar bahawa mereka telah termasok dalam sa-suatu parti politik, dengan itu tidak-lah dapat di-katakan dengan tepat berapa-kah orang2 tahanan ini yang terdiri dari pada ahli2 Parti Ra'ayat Bersatu Sarawak (SUPP).

Illicit Arms Manufacturing Unit in Kedah 91.
Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri berkaitan dengan kilang membuat senjata, baharu2 ini di-jumpai dan di-binasakan dalam hutan dekat Alor Star, Kedah; (a) berapa jumlah senapang2, pistol2 dan peluru2 yang di-keluarkan daripada kilang itu dan dapat di-rampas oleh pehak polis; bilangan pengusaha2 (b) berapa kilang tersebut, dan ada-kah mereka itu ra'ayat Malaysia, dan (c) dapat-kah pehak polis menentu- kan yang mereka itu menerima latehan daripada arahan dan pengganas2 komunis di-sempadan Siam, yang bertujuan hendak membekalkan senjata2 api terse sa-kali kapada but mereka2 yang bersimpati dengan perjuangan mereka, dan terutama (d) berapa lama-kah kilang senjata tersebut telah di-dirikan dan ada- kah senjata2 tersebut untok pasa- ran atau untok tujuan yang lain.
Dato' Dr Ismail: (a) Jumlah senjata api yang telah di- keluarkan dari kilang itu ia-lah 5 pistol dan sa-puchok senapang patah buatan sendiri.

Tidak ada peluru yang di-keluarkan, tetapi 4 butir peluru senapang patah laras 2 telah di-dapati.

Tidak ada senapang atau rifles yang di- buat dari kilang itu; (b) Chuma sa-orang sahaja yang telah di-dapati bertanggong-jawab menjayakan kilang itu.

Ini ada- lah sebab kilang itu boleh-lah di- katakan sa-buah pondok kechil yang terpenchil di-dalam hutan.
Orang yang bertanggong-jawab menjalankan kilang itu ia-lah sa- orang warganegara Malaysia dan ia sa-orang Melayu tempatan.

(c) Orang yang bertanggong-jawab sesuatu tidak menerima itu arahan atau latehan daripada pengganas2 komunis, ia mendapat pedoman-nya dalam membuat senjata2 api perbuatan sendiri waktu pengalaman-nya di-Bang- kok.

Tidak ada senjata yang di- keluarkan oleh-nya kapada peng ganas2 komunis atau mereka2 yang bersimpati dengan perjua ngan2 komunis.
Ia nampak-nya tidak mempunyai maksud2 yang tertentu dalam membuat senjata itu.

(d) Orang yang bertanggong-jawab itu mula bekerja sambilan lebeh kurang dalam bulan Mei, 1965. telah di-tangkap pada 9hb Ia 2097 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2098 Julai, 1965.

Senjata2 yang telah di-buat oleh-nya itu telah di-jual dengan sa-orang sulit kapada nelayan, sa-orang penanam padi dan 3 orang jenayah yang ter- kenal.
Penyelidekan telah menun- jokkan bahawa ia chuma sempat membuat senjata2 yang telah di- terangkan dalam jawapan (a) sa- ia di-tangkap.

Ketiga2 belum jenayah yang di-katakan orang itu telah pun di-berkas.

Enche' Ahmad Boestamam is the 92.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Home Affairs if he is aware that Enche' Boestamam in bad health in that he had been admitted to Batu Gajah Hospital twice lately and that he has had haematemisis and malaena as well, and if so, whether he will see that Enche' Boestamam gets adequate medical attention and a diet that will not aggravate his ailment.

Dato' Dr Ismail: I am informed that Enche' Boestamam has not been admitted to the Batu Gajah Hospital for treatment lately.
This is confirmed in a by Enche' Boestamam himself letter to the Utusan Zaman published on 30th October, 1965, when he said that since his detention he has never been admitted into hospital for treat ment.

2.
2.

All detainees are visited by Govern ment Medical Officers at least once or twice a week to ensure that they are in good health, and if any detainee is seriously ill or in need of special treat ment he would be immediately trans ferred to another hospital outside the detention camp for further treatment.

3.

Sick detainees who require special diets are so provided on the advice of the Medical Officer.

"Bulan Jujor" 93.
"Bulan Jujor" 93.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Home Affairs if he is aware that the Selangor State Government will be launching a "Bulan Jujor" in February 1966 to stamp out corruption among civil servants and to instil in them the need to be polite, alert and efficient in their dealings with the pub lic, and if so, to state what the Anti- Corruption Bureau has done in this direction and whether it will launch a similar Bulan Jujor for the whole of Malaysia at a later date.
Dato' Dr Ismail: I am aware that the Selangor State Government will be launching a "Bulan Jujor" in February 1966 to stamp out corruption among civil servants and to instil in them the need to be polite, alert and efficient in their dealings with the public.

2.
2.

One of the main tasks of the Anti- Corruption Bureau is to inculcate upon members of the public an awareness of to the evils of corruption and instil into the minds of Government servants the need to be prompt, cour teous and efficient in their dealings with the public.

To this end, the Director of the Anti-Corruption Bureau and his Assistant have been touring the country giving talks on this subject not only to members of the public attending civic courses but to Government servants.

also 3.
also 3.

It has always been in the mind of the Federal Government to launch such a campaign throughout the country but in view of the present heavy emergency commitments shouldered by the Minis try of Information and Broadcasting, this will have to be shelved for the present.

Uniform for Immigration Officers issued the 94.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Home Affairs if he is aware that members of the Immigration Ser vice of Malaya are dissatisfied with the uniform to 117 subordinate Immigration Officers, and if so, what steps he has taken or proposes to take to meet the wishes of the said officers, or whether he proposes to wait until the said union take industrial action before he bestirs himself.
Dato' Dr Ismail: I have received the recommendations of the Controller- General of Immigration, Malaysia, on the new style of uniform to be adopted as a common uniform for Immigration Officers in Malaya, Sabah and Sarawak 2099 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2100 the existing ones.

These to replace recommendations are being actively considered by my Ministry in conjunc tion with the Treasury and the Federa tion Establishment Office.

A decision on this matter will be made shortly.

Official History of the Emergency 95.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Home Affairs to state : the (a) how much has been spent so far on the "official" history of the 12 year Emergency by the Mr Anthony Short; (b) how much time has been already spent on this project; and (c) how much longer will it take before the project will be com pleted.

Dato' Dr Ismail: (a) The total amount spent up to end of October, 1965, is $38,244.82.

(b) Since June 1961.


(c) The work is expected to be com pleted by the end of 1966.

Work Permits for Singaporeans 96.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Home Affairs if the Govern ment intends to introduce work permits for Singaporeans and if so, to state how he proposes to impose this restriction.

Dato' Dr Ismail: The Government has no intention, for the time being, of introducing work permits (Employment Passes) for Singaporeans.
MINISTRY OF JUSTICE stolen property but The Minister of Justice (Dato' Dr Ismail bin Dato9 Haji Abdul Rahman): I was aware of the remark made by Mr Justice H. S. Ong when he called for a revision of the case P.P.

vs. TAN BAK LAY where the accused had pleaded guilty to a charge of knowingly retaining the President, Sessions Court, did not accept his plea of guilt and discharged the accused after he had given an explanation of how he came into posses sion of the property.
The Learned Judge did remark that the President was wrong in discharging the accused, and that he should have rejected the plea of guilt and proceeded with the trial.

This is the case where on 4th August, 1965, a person in Penang Town lost in his house a steel trunk containing $50 cash and his clothings.

At 8.30 a.m. the next morning an old Chinese man named TAN BAK LAY was seen opening a steel trunk at a back-lane and when approached by a person he ran away but was chased and arrested.
It is clear, therefore, that there is ample evi dence to charge the accused for retaining stolen property.

The duty to put up the charge is either done by the Police or the Deputy Public Prosecutor and in this particular case it was done by the Police.

The Judge is free to make his comments or remarks but that does not mean that all his remarks should be taken for granted as correct.
I can assure the House that Court officials and the Police prosecuting officers always try their best to be careful in their work the administration of justice but this does not mean that they do not make mistakes once in a way.

in Tan Bak Lay Shortage of Magistrates the 97.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Justice if he is aware that on 19th August, 1965 in Penang, Mr Justice H. S. Ong criticised the framing of charges against a 70-year old man, Tan Bak Lay accused of an act of which "there is not one jot of evidence".
If so, whether he will assure this House that the Court officials up and down the country will be more careful in their work so that innocent people will not be charged in Court and thus bring our system of justice into disrepute.

the 98.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Justice if he is aware of the acute shortage of Magistrates in the lower courts in Kuala Lumpur, so much so that often one Magistrate had to cover three courts to ensure that there was no delay in the administra tion of justice.
If so, whether he will take immediate steps to remedy this deficiency.

Dato' Dr Ismail: I am aware that there is no acute shortage of Magis trates in the lower courts in Kuala 2101 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2102 Lumpur, which has particularly neces sitated one Magistrate to cover three courts to obviate delay in the adminis tration of justice.

An answer to the second part of this question therefore does not arise.

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99.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Justice what is the reason for the chronic shortage of Magistrates in Malaya the Courts in most of whether it is because there is a shortage of legally qualified personnel in this country, also whether he is aware that there lawyers trained both locally and abroad who can be recruited as Magistrates and will he to recruit more Magistrates to meet this shortage.
is an abundance of take steps Dato' Dr Ismail: The establishment of Magistrates in the Judicial Depart ment is made up of qualified Legal Officers and State Clerical Service Officers on secondment.

The shortage of Magistrates is due to the resignations of Legal Officers who enter into private practice after gaining experience, trans fers of Judicial Officers to the Legal Department and the award of Judicial Scholarships to serving Magistrates.
The Legal Department and the Judicial Department are staffed by Legal Officers in the Federation Legal Service.

It there is an is true that abundance of Non-Malay Lawyers trained both locally and abroad who can be recruited as Magistrates, but because of the shortage of Malay personnel with legal qualifications it is not possible to recruit Legal Officers to fill existing vacancies of Magistrates on the basis of the Malay: Non-Malay ratio.
However, it would be possible to recruit Malay officers without legal qualifications on a temporary basis to fill existing vacancies of Magistrates in the Judicial Department but this cannot be done for the Legal Department which accepts only qualified officers.

Circuit Magistrate 100.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Justice if he is aware that the absence of a Circuit owing Magistrate, Nibong Tebal, Butterworth and Bukit Mertajam have been without to in these a Magistrate since April, 1965, and that more than 100 cases have not been heard three courts.

If so, whether he will expedite the posting of an adequate number of Magistrates to the three courts concerned so that there shall be no delay in the adminis tration of justice in these three courts.
fact Dato' Dr Ismail: I am aware that owing to the ill-health of the Circuit Magistrate, the Magistrates Courts at Butterworth, Nibong Tebal and Bukit Mertajam had been without a Magis trate since April, 1965, and that despite that a Circuit Magistrate the from Parit Buntar was detailed to cover these courts in addition to his duties, there was a number of outstanding cases.
A new Circuit Magistrate has been posted to these Courts with effect from 1st October, 1965, and it is hoped that the backlog of cases will be cleared soon.

Divorce amongst Muslims 101.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Justice whether he is aware that the divorce rate amongst Muslims in this country is still very high and that Muslim women and their children are the ones who suffer most; if so, whether the Government proposes to introduce legislation to provide uniform Muslim marriage and divorce laws throughout the country and to make efforts to urge the people of this country not to practice polygamy.
Dato' Dr Ismail: As provided under the the Constitution, divorce under Muslim Law is a State matter and not a Federal matter and it is, therefore, outside the responsibility of my Minis try.
Although the Constitution provides that Parliament may make laws with respect to any matter enumerated in the State List the purpose of for promoting uniformity in the laws of two or more States (Article 76 (i) (b)), this Government at present does not pro pose to introduce legislation to provide uniform Muslim marriage and divorce laws the country unless there is a request by the States to put up such legislation.
The States will not make such a request unless the Rulers of the States, who in each State is the throughout 2103 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2104 Head of the Muslim Religion (except Penang and Malacca), have given their approval.

It is to be noted that at present the Muslim Laws in each State are almost uniform.

MINISTRY OF LABOUR Medical Cards of Employees that insist on in writing the 102.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Labour if he is aware that some employers their em ployees, prior to taking up an employ ment, agreeing their medical cards can be at the disposal of, and be read by the management, that this is an unethical practice, and that the Malayan Medical Association and workers have protested against this coercion by the employers, and if so, whether he will take steps to per suade MECA to stop this unethical practice.
The Minister of Labour (Enche' V. Manickavasagam): I understand that the Malayan Medical Association has already taken the matter up with the MECA and that MECA has agreed to this advise practice.

its members stop to Medical Certificates issued by Doctors the 103.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Labour if he is aware that some employers refuse to recognize the sick certificates issued by general practitioners to their employees, that this has caused a great deal of difficul ties between their patients, and if so, whether he will use his good offices with MECA to per suade employers the sick issued by private practi certificates tioners.
the doctors and to accept Enche' V. Manickavasagam: Agree ments with trade unions or factory rules themselves normally provide for medical certification by doctors who have been retained by the respective companies.

Tt is understood, however, that in most cases emergency certifi registered medical cation by other practitioners are acceptable to com panies.

Estate Hospitals 104.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour whether his Minis try has worked out the details of the take over of all estate hospitals.

If so, whether they will be made public and the NUPW and the MMA will be consulted on this matter before action is taken.
Enche' V. Manickavasagam: My Ministry is now examining the possi bility of extending the services avail able in the estate hospitals to persons who are not employees of such estates and also the extent to which Govern ment assistance could be provided to such hospitals.

tentang kemungkinan 105.


Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Buroh ada-kah benar bahawa Kerajaan sedang meng- kaji ia me- ngawal Rumah2 Sakit Ladang, dan jika benar, sa-jauh mana-kah kajian itu berapa-kah telah jumlah besar Rumah2 Sakit Ladang di- seluroh Malaysia.
di-jalankan dan Enche' V. Manickavasagam: Saya sedang mengkaji kemungkinan meluas- perkhidmatan2 Rumah2 Sakit kan Ladang kapada orang2 yang bukan pekerja2 ladang tersebut dan sa-takat mana bantuan Kerajaan boleh di-beri kapada rumah2 sakit ladang.

Ada 98 ladang dalam sakit buah Negeri2 Malaya.

Angka2 bagi negeri Sabah dan Sarawak tidak ada.

rumah2 Sickness Insurance Scheme 106.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour when will Mr J. R. Ford complete the study for a sickness insurance scheme and when does the to introduce this Government scheme.

intend actuarial Enche' V. Manickavasagam: A pre liminary examination has been effected and the implications of this are presently under study.

I am unable to say when this will be com pleted.

Social Security Scheme 107.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour when will Mr A. M. Ambo complete the study of a 2105 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2106 Social Security Scheme and when the Government intends to introduce this scheme.

Enche' V. Manickavasagam: Mr A. M. Ambo arrived in Malaysia on 4th October, 1965, and is now examin ing the possibility of introducing an Invalidity Pension Scheme.

It is not possible to state when he will complete his work but every effort is being made to expedite this matter.
Overlapping of work done by Mr Ford and Mr Ambo 108.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour to state (a) if there are any other experts in this country drawing up insurance scheme and a social security scheme, (b) whether the work of Mr Ford and Mr Ambo will overlap, and if so, whether too many cooks will not spoil the soup.

sickness a Enche' V. Manickavasagam: (a) No.

(b) No.

Unemployment Statistics 109.


Enche' Lim Kean Siew asks the Minister of Labour for statistics on unemployment in Malaya for the years 1963, 1964 and 1965.

Enche' V. Manickavasagam: The statistics on unemployment are not available for this period.

However, the following are the figures of registrants at in the Employment Exchanges Malaya: 79,979 1963 1964 90,798 1965 (as at 30th Sept., 1965) 91,334 It should be noted that not all regis trants at the Employment Exchanges are unemployed persons.
Some of them register to seek a change of employ ment whilst some on the register might have already found employment subse quent to their registration.

110.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour to state the figures of unemployment State by State up to the end of September, 1965.

Enche' V. Manickavasagam: The figures of unemployment are not avail able for this period but the following are figures in respect of job-seekers registered with the various Employ ment Exchanges in Malaysia.
It should be noted that not all registrants are unemployed.

Some register to seek a change of employment, while some on the register might have already found employment: No.
of Job-seekers registered at Employment Exchanges as at 30th September, 1965 Kedah/Perlis Penang/Province Perak Selangor Negri Sembilan Johore Pahang Kelantan ... Trengganu ... Malacca Wellesley ... 9,366 13,964 20,274 17,953 3,802 11,178 2,907 4,300 2,143 5,447 Total ... 91,334 Racial Composition of Estate and Rubber Plantation Workers 111.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew asks the Minister of Labour what are the racial estate proportions of workers and rubber plantation workers.
the various Enche' V. Manickavasagam: No records of the racial composition of estate and plantation workers are kept.

Employment of Young Persons in Machinery Work 112.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour if he is aware that the Chip Seng & Co., Setapak, Kuala Lumpur, is employing young persons between the ages of 16 to 18 years to do work on machinery.

If so, would he state (a) how many of them are there and (b) since when has Chip Seng & Co. started employing such young persons.
Enche' V. Manickavasagam: I am the Chip Seng & Co., employs aware Setapak, Kuala Lumpur, that 2107 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2108 persons between the ages of 16 and 18 to work on machinery.

On 27th September, 1965, there were 11 such persons, employed since the following dates : 1-5-61; 13-8-62; 16-11-62; 16-1-63; 9-9-63; 1-5-64; 1-8-64; 1-10-64; 1-3-65; 1-6-65 and 27-9-65.

Employment and Trade Union Ordinances 113.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour whether he would consider setting up a Special Committee to revise the Employment Ordinance in the Trade Union Ordinance and view of protests made by numerous trade unions in this country.

Enche' V. Manickavasagam: My Ministry is now reviewing all labour legislations and a Special Committee of officials has in fact already held two meetings in this respect.

South Indian Labour Fund casually employed or on contract.
The provision of hospitalisation benefits, holidays, etc., would depend very much on the the contract of service and nature of the employment.

I am not, therefore, at this stage contemplating legislation in this regard.

I.L.O.

Convention 87 116.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour to state when the Government will recognise Convention 87 of the I.L.O.—Freedom of Associa tion and Protection of the Right to Organise.
in Joint Enche' V. Manickavasagam: Conven the tion 87 has been examined National Labour Advisory Council which advised the Minister of Labour that it would be not possible for Malaysia it.

However, to ratify many of the principles enunciated in this Convention have been recognised in Malaysia.

114.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour to state the amount of assets held by the South Indian Labour Fund Board, what the these annual assets and for the purposes this revenue is spent.
revenue derived from is Enche' V. Manickavasagam: Full details on these matters are contained in the Annual Report of the South Indian Labour Fund Board for the year 1964, tabled as Statute Paper No.

ST. 99/65.

Protection for Contract and Casual Workers 115.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour to state whether legislation will be introduced as early as possible to protect workers engaged on contract and casual systems of employment so that employers will not evade the necessity of paying work men's compensation and hospitilisation benefits, etc., of giving them holidays and security of employment, and from having to work excessively long hours.
Enche' V. Manickavasagam: Legis respect of lation already exists Workmen's Compensation and Hours of Work covering all workers, whether in Trade Union for Workers of Beatrice Food Products 117.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour if he is aware that the Registrar of Trade Unions refuses to give or is reluctant to give even application forms to workers to form Trade Unions thus because of this the workers of Beatrice Food Products have to get applicationt found forms to form a trade union.
If so, whether he will take steps to expedite matters for the workers.

it difficult Enche' V. Manickavasagam: The Registrar of Trade Unions has not refused nor has he been reluctant to give forms of application for the regis tration of trade unions.

I am not aware the workers of Beatrice Food that Products have requested for such forms of application.

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Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour the reasons why the Registrar of Trade Unions refused to allow the thirty-odd employees of Beatrice Food Products who are in canning condensed milk, engaged in making most of which coffee, to join the National Union of Drink Manufacturing Products Workers.
is used 2109 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2110 Enche' V. Manickavasagam: The Registrar of Trade Unions considered that the employees of Beatrice Food Products are not engaged in a trade, occupation or industry similar to the trades, industries catered for by the National Union of Drink Manufacturing Industry Workers.

occupations or Rubber Millers and Latex Processing Workers' Union 119.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour to state why the Registrar of Trade Unions has to date not taken any action to register the Rubber Mill and Latex Workers' Union which submitted its Constitu tion and application on the 26th April, 1965, and for which, though it has repeatedly (at least six letters had been sent) asked for it has not received any acknowledgement let alone replies.
replies, Enche' V. Manickavasagam: The Registrar of Trade Unions has in fact taken action on the application sub mitted by the Rubber Millers and Latex Processing Workers' Union but the all correspondence addressed Union, under Registered Cover, has been returned to him as there was no such addressee.

to Dismissal of Workers for Trade Union Activities 120.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour what protection, judicial or administrative recourses there are for workers who are victi mised by employers and dismissed for trade union activities in spite of section 8 of the Employment Ordinance, and whether he is aware that this Ordinance itself gives the employers the right to dismiss workers by giving them one month's notice.

Enche' V. Manickavasagam: I am aware of the provisions in the Employ ment Ordinance relating to the termina tion of employment.
I am also aware of allegations of dismissal of workers for trade union activities.

Disputes over such matters have normally been dealt with by the workers' trade unions and, where necessary, the Officers of the Ministry of Labour have offered their services to assist in the settlement of such disputes.

Section 17 of the Employment Ordinance the 121.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Labour whether he is aware that Section 17 of the Employment Ordinance states that where a contract of service between the labourer and his employer terminates, the spouse is also automatically dismissed from service hence not necessitating any separate notice being given to the spouse, and that this particular section has been large estates arbitrarily used in resulting in great hardship to families, e.g., the PARAMASIVAM case that occurred in Malacca.
If so, whether he will take steps to repeal this provision.

the Enche' V. Manickavasagam: Section 17 of the Employment Ordinance pro vides that the spouse of a labourer whose services have been terminated by an employer may within 48 hours of such termination notify the employer that he or she desires to continue in employment with that employer.

No action is contemplated to repeal this section of the law.

of Workers in Local Mining Companies 122.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour if he is aware that his Parliamentary Secretary, Enche' Lee San Choon at the 3rd Biennial Con ference the National Mining Workers Union held recently criticized local mining companies with local management for their lack of progres- siveness, and if so, to state what steps his Ministry is taking to see that the mining workers in local mining com panies have a fair share of the fruits of their labour.
Enche' V. Manickavasagam: The Parliamentary Secretary was, in fact, referring to the lack of unionisation among workers of the local mining companies and the need for the union to extend these its membership companies.

to Strike by National Union of Securicor Workers 123.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour the reason for the 2111 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2112 threatened strike by the 140-strong National Union of Securicor Workers.
How long this dispute has dragged on, and what action his Ministry has taken to settle this dispute.

Enche' V. Manickavasagam: The strike commenced on 25th October, 1965 allegedly over the question of non- recognition of the Union and the dis missal of a number of workers by the employer.

The services of the Ministry have, in the usual way, been made available to reach a settlement.

to both sides MINISTRY OF LANDS AND MINES Tin-ore Produced in Selangor 124.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Lands an Mines the pro duction figures of tin-ore for the State of Selangor from the year 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963 and 1964.

The Minister of Lands and Mines (Enche9 Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub): PRODUCTION OF TIN CONCENTRATES STATE OF SELANGOR Tin Tin-in- concentrates concentrates I960 .. 1961 .. 1962 .. 1963 .. 1964 .. Pikuls 385,874 .. 412,046 .

405,355 .

424,048 .

411,347 .

Tons .

17,382 .

18,542 .

18,210 .

19,044 .


18,463 itu Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: So'alan yang di-kemukakan oleh Yang Berhormat sangat umum.

Sa- panjang yang saya ketahui Pegawai2 di-bawah Kementerian saya menjalan- kan pekerjaan dengan memuaskan, malah Pegawai2 itu benar2 mengetahu'i dan insaf tentang kesan2 burok peme- rentahan penjajah kapada Negeri ini.

Tidak ada Pegawai2 Negeri di-bawah jaga'an Kementerian saya.
Jika benar ada Pegawai2 Persekutuan di-bawah saya jaga'an Kementerian yang bersikap saperti yang di-tudoh, itu di-minta-lah Yang Berhormat menyebut dengan tepat, dan saya akan mengambil tindakan yang sa-patut-nya.

Petroleum Companies 126.


Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Tanah dan Galian nyatakan: (a) bilangan sharikat2 minyak petrol yang telah memohon kebenaran untok mengeluarkan minyak petrol di-Malaysia; (b) berapa bilangan permohonan2 sa telah di-terima; itu yang perti dan (c) negeri2 di-Malaysia yang mem- punyai sumbar2 pengeluaran mi nyak, atau sama-ada di-darat di-laut.

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: (a) Tiga sharikat2 minyak petrol.
(b) Dua permohonan telah di-lulus- kan. (c) Negeri Sarawak sahaja.

Behaviour of Officials 125.

Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Tanah dan Galian ada-kah dia sedar bahawa ada sa-tengah2 pegawai Negeri dan Per sekutuan di-bawah Kementerian-nya bersikap sa-olah2 mereka maseh berada dalam zaman penjajahan dengan mem- buang masa, tenaga, kertas Kerajaan dan dengan membalek2kan fail.
Jika tindakan dia berchadang sedar, apa hendak ambil untok menyegerakan tindakan ka-atas sungutan2 ra'ayat luar bandar.

MINISTRY FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND HOUSING Assessment due to Municipalities by Federal Government the 127.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister for Local Government and Housing (a) how much assessment the Federal Government owes the Muni cipalities of Kuala Lumpur, Penang, Ipoh and Malacca giving the figures for each town up to the end of 1964; (b) whether the Minister is aware that the Federal Government is setting a very 2113 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2114 bad example to the exemplary rate payers of these towns by not paying up their dues to these Municipalities, and if so, what steps the Minister has taken to prod the Federal Government to pay up its dues as early as possible.
The Minister for Local Government and Housing (Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh): (a) Under Article 156 of the Malay sian Constitution the Federal Government is not liable to pay rates but shall in aid of those rates make such contribution in respect thereof.

Up to the end of 1964 the approximate assess ment payable to the Municipali ties is: Kuala Lumpur $6,804,193.00 Ipoh Penang Malacca 1,850,237.00 1,848,896.00 194,990.00 ... ...
The Federal Government has however been making yearly payments on account to all the Municipalities pending a final agreement with the Municipal ities.
For the period ending 1964 the Federal Government has made payments on account as follows: Municipality, Kuala Lumpur $5,768,775.00 Municipality, ... Ipoh City Council, Penang ... Municipality, Malacca 1,671,831.00 1,892,690.00 301,000.00 (b) From the payments made on account it is evident that the Federal Government is not set ting a bad example by not pay ing its dues as alleged by the Hon'ble Member.
Action is being taken by the Valuation Division of the Treasury with the Municipalities to determine the contribution payable with a view to final settlement.

Jalan Haji Taib, Kuala Lumpur 128.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing if he is aware that Jalan Haji Taib, Kuala Lumpur, has not yet been repaired although more than a year ago in reply to an adjournment speech of mine in the Dewan Ra'ayat he said that it would be repaired soon, what is the cause of the delay, and when will the road be finally repaired.
in reply explained the Federal Capital Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: As has been previously to adjournment speech by the Hon'ble Member, Jalan Haji Taib is a Private Street and, as such, the Commissioner of is not em powered to spend Municipal funds on its maintenance and repair.

The road must first be made up to his satisfaction under Section 103 of the Municipal Ordinance at the expense of the front agers and declared a Public Street before the Commissioner can expend such funds on its maintenance.
However, emergency repairs have already been carried out for which funds were provided by the frontagers.

No additional works can be done unless further the frontagers.

funds are provided by The present width of Jalan Haji Taib is less than 30 ft whereas it is planned as a 40 ft street which means that a strip of 10 ft or more along the whole of the north side must first be surrendered by the owner of the land or acquired at the expense of the frontagers.
In my reply to the Hon'ble Member's ad journment speech, I stressed that the difficulty lies in the expense of land acquisition, and this is still true.

Action to acquire this land was initiated but it was found that the cost of acquisi tion was prohibitive as it would result in the frontagers having to meet an expenditure of approximately $127 per foot in respect of acquisition and $60 per foot in respect of cost of making up the road, thus making a total of $187 per foot.
Until this question of land acquisition is resolved and the street made up to the satisfaction of the Commissioner by the frontagers, no 2115 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2116 major maintenance and repair can be carried out by the Commissioner of the Federal Capital.

Low Cost Housing Schemes 129.
Raja Rome bin Raja Ma'amor bertanya kapada Menteri Kerajaan Tempatan dan Perumahan: (a) ada-kah benar bahawa ran changan2 rumah murah ada-lah khas sa-mata2 untok pendudok2 kawasan bandar, dan jika ya, terangkan apa-kah ranchangan2 untok mengatasi soal perumahan pendudok2 luar bandar termasok pegawai2 rendah dalam perkhidmatan Kerajaan; di-kawasan (b) ada-kah Kerajaan akan melak- rumah ranchangan sanakan murah di-Kuala Selangor dan Tanjong Karang, di-janjikan dalam tahun 1957, dan jika ya, tersebut akan bila-kah projek di-laksanakan.
Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: (a) Tidak-lah benar bahawa ran changan2 rumah murah di-ada- kan sa-mata2 untok pendudok2 bandar.

Mithal-nya, dalam tahun 1965 Kementerian ini melulus- kan projek2 perumahan yang berikut di-kawasan2 yang boleh kawasan2 di-anggap sa-bagai luar bandar kerana projek2 itu sa-tengah2-nya boleh memberi faedah kapada pendudok2 luar bandar: Jumlah Yunit Rumah No 1.

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Kawasan Pulau Subang, Melaka Sitiawan, Perak Lenggong, Perak Bidor, Perak Batu Gajah, Perak Selama, Perak Kampong Besut, Trengganu .

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Bukit Kechil, Trengganu Wakaf Mek Zainab, Kelantan Lembah Jasar, Pahang Ranchangan perkampongan bagi Nelayan di-Kuala Pahang 12.

Rawang, Selangor 13.

Ulu Bernam, Selangor.

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Kalumpang, Selangor 50 50 50 50 50 50 78 100 187 30 113 129 20 40 Harga $175,000 175,000 175,000 175,000 175,000 175,000 195,000 200,000 748,000 120,000 90,000 352,000 40,000 90,000 No Kawasan 15.

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Perkampongan Baharu Panda maran, Klang Telok Gadong Klang (Pering kat II) Ranchangan menempat sa-mula nelayan2 Mersing, Johor Rengam, Johor 21.

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Kota Tinggi, Johor 24.

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Kampong Seberang Tok Pi Perlis Ranchangan untok Nelayan Kuala Kedah Jumlah Yunit Rumah 30 50 56 Harga $ 60,000 120,000 112,000 123 230,000 100 30 50 25 38 120,000 105,000 175,000 87,500 133,000 100 250,000 220 385,000 Ahli Yang Berhormat itu tentu- lah mengetahui' bahawa sunggoh pun beberapa buah daripada ranchangan ini ada-lah di-dalam kawasan2 pehak berkuasa tem patan, namun demikian kawasan2 itu bersifatluar bandar.
Mengenai soal memasokkan pegawai2 Kera jaan dalam Bahagian2 rendah supaya mendapat faedah ran changan rumah murah ini, ke- dudokan-nya ia-lah asalkan sa- saorang kakitangan Kerajaan itu pendapatan-nya sa-keluarga ber- jumlah tidak lebeh daripada $300 sa-bulan, dia boleh bermohon minta sa-buah rumah berharga murah.

Ahli Yang Berhormat itu hendak-lah juga sedar bahawa Lembaga Kemajuan Tanah Per- sekutuan membena rumah2 di- dalam kemajuan tanah yang kesemua-nya di- kawasan2 luar bandar.
ranchangan2 belum (b) Kementerian Kerajaan Tempatan dan Perumahan lagi menerima apa2 permohonan dari pada Kerajaan Negeri Selangor untok meminjam wang bagi projek2 rumah berharga murah di-Kuala Selangor dan Tanjong Karang.

Oleh hal yang demikian, tidak-lah di-ketahui' bila projek2 ini akan di-lancharkan.

Civil Defence Corps 130.


Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber tanya kapada Menteri Kerajaan Tem patan dan Perumahan berapa jumlah 2117 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2118 Ahli2 Pasokan Pertahanan 'Awam di- seluroh Malaysia menurut perkara2 di-bawah ini: (a) Laki2; (b) Perempuan; dan (c) kemudahan yang di-berikan.
Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: Jumlah kekuatan tenaga Pasokan2 Pertahanan 'Awam dalam Malaysia ada-lah saperti berikut: (a) Lelaki (b) Perempuan 16,302 657 16,959 (c) Kemudahan2 yang di-sediakan ia-lah: (i) Semua ahli2 Pasokan Per tahanan 'Awam di-lengkap- kan dengan kelengkapan peribadi termasok yang uniform2, topi2 beret, wisel2, chapras2 (shoulder badges), sepatu2 (boots) dan pemba- lut betis (anklets).
(ii) Semua ahli2 Pasokan Perta hanan di-bayar 'Awam elaun2 latehan (yang boleh turun naik sa-bagaimana yang di-sharatkan dalam Undang2, dan bergantong kapada pangkat2 yang di- sandang oleh ahli2 dalam Pasokan2 itu).

Sa-lain dari- pada itu, tiap2 ahli di-bayar elaun kenderaan daripada tempat tinggal-nya ka-tem- pat dia di-lateh, mengikut kadar bayaran Kerajaan.
(iii) Semua ahli2 juga di-beri la tehan daripada latehan da lam pertolongan-chemas, api-kebakaran, memadam tugas2 pengawas, menyela- mat hingga ka-tugas2 keba- tugas2 di-ibu jikan dan pejabat.

Alat2 latehan sen- untok di-sediakan tiasa mereka berlateh.

Replacement of Local Councils by Rural Councils 131.
Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- kapada Menteri Kerajaan tanya Tempatan dan Perumahan bahawa memandang kapada kemerosotan dan kesulitan2 yang di-alami oleh Majlis Tempatan, di-Malaya, sama ada Ke- menterian tersebut akan mengambil itu, dengan aleh Majlis Tempatan persetujuan Kerajaan2 Negeri, dan di- gantikan dengan Majlis Luar Bandar, sa-bagaimana yang di-laksanakan di- Melaka dan Pulau Pinang.
Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: Sangkaan umum Ahli Yang Berhormat bahawa sekarang semua Majlis Tempatan menghadapi kesulitan2 dan sedang merosot, tidak-lah benar.

Oleh kerana Surohanjaya di-Raja, yang di-lantek untok memereksa kerja2 Majlis Tem patan, telah mula menjalankan tugas- nya, maka ada-lah di-rasai bahawa apa2 'am untok mengubah taraf Majlis2 Tempatan, patut-lah menunggu shor2 Surohanjaya tersebut.

langkah Bridges across Klang River 132.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing to state: (a) whether it is true that the deve lopers of Malaysian and Sela- ngor Mansions, off Batu Lane, Kuala Lumpur, had undertaken or promised to build two bridges across the Klang River in that area, and if so, why they have not been built yet; if not, why they had been allowed to deve lop that area where the entry and exit facilities are so poor that it is virtually a fire trap; (b) whether he will the developers to construct the bridges as early as possible.
require did Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: (a) The developers of Malaysian and Selangor Mansions not undertake or promise to build two bridges across the Klang River in this area at the time of approval to their development.
The approval was given in early 1961 by then Municipal Council for the development and they considered that the 20 ft wide access (now known as Jalan the 2119 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2120 Masjid India) from Jalan Melayu would be sufficient until the new bridges proposed by the Com missioner of the Federal Capital were constructed over the Klang River, together with the road along the Sungei line of Bunus between Jalan Ampang and Jalan Campbell.
the has completed, have been lying unoccu pied for more than half a year; if so, what are the reasons, and whether it is not a waste of tax-payer's money to leave these flats unoccupied; and would he assure this House that there will be no such delays over the occupancy of housing financed by his schemes Ministry in future.
(b) As the Commissioner has been unable to allocate sufficient funds for the construction of the bridges and road, and the traffic consul that tants have recommended a is unnecessary this general traffic point of view until 1970-1975, the developers have offered to construct one of the bridges at their own expense.

A is at present being contract drawn up for this purpose.

from Shortage of Parking Space along Jalan Tuanku Abdul Rahman, Kuala Lumpur the 133.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister for Local Government and Housing if he is aware that there is a great shortage of parking space along Jalan Tuanku Abdul Rahman, Kuala Lumpur, that the space between Nos.

335 and 337 Jalan Tuanku Abdul Rahman, Kuala Lumpur, can be con verted into a car park; if so, whether he will take steps to do this as early as possible so as to ease partly the parking problem along that road.
that there Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: The Minister for Local Government and Housing is is a shortage of aware parking space along Jalan Tuanku Abdul Rahman, Kuala Lumpur, but the space between Nos.

335 and 337, Jalan Tuanku Abdul Rahman is a street reserve and is a private street.

As such the Commissioner is unable to make it up as a car park although it is quite extensively used for the purpose.

Low-Cost Flats at Johore Bahru and Kuantan 134.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing if he is aware that the Low- Cost Housing Flats at Johore Bahru and Kuantan upon which construction largely due inability to to accept laid down by Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: The Low- Cost Flats at Jalan Lumba Kuda, Johore Bahru, were built with State funds and not Federal loan funds and as such the allocation of these flats is a matter entirely for the State Govern ment.
The Minister for Local Govern ment and Housing is not aware of any low-cost flats built in Kuantan but if the Hon'ble Member is referring to the in Tanah low-cost housing project Puteh, Kuantan, it is true that there has been delay in the allocation.

The delay the State has been the Government's the allocation policy Federal Government and even to this date no reply has been received from the State Government asking that our allocation policy be observed.

It is understood that the houses are now tenanted.


As for wasting the tax-payer's money, in so far as the Federal Govern ment is concerned the State Govern ment must repay the loan to the Federal the Government terms of the loan agreement regardless of whether the houses are occupied or not.

No loss is incurred by the Federal Government and any loss resulting from non-occupation must be borne by the State Government.
Allocation of low- cost houses and flats outside the Federal Capital are the responsibility of the State Governments and Municipalities but the Ministry of Local Government and Housing is represented on State/ Municipal Allocation Committee to offer advice and to see that Federal Government policy is observed.

The Ministry has already addressed State Governments/Municipalities the need to allocate low-cost houses before they are completed, so that they can be tenanted immediately after completion.
State Governments/Municipalities will be reminded of this from time to time.

In so far as the Federal Capital is in accordance with on 2121 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2122 the Minister gives concerned the assurance that there will not be any unnecessary delay in tenanting low-cost houses/flats.

Central Bus Station 135.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing when will the CENTRAL BUS STATION for Kuala Lumpur be built, and whether he is aware there is a desperate need for the station and that the sooner it is built the better.

Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: The Minister for Local Government and Housing is aware of the need for a Central Bus Station but does not agree that this need is desperate.
The proposal for the Central Bus Station was included in the First Malaysia Plan, 1966 to 1970 but in view of the current financial stringency, this proposal has been accorded low priority and has been deferred.

However, the bus station will be erected as soon as funds are made available.

Work will commence next year on the construction of another bus station at Jalan Skola.

towards By-pass Roads for Kuala Lumpur 136.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing if he is aware that the pro vision of by-pass roads for Kuala together with an efficient Lumpur system of internal transport will go a long way solving Kuala Lumpur's chronic chaotic traffic ail ment, and if so, whether he will take steps to implement this suggestion.
Enche5 Khaw Kai-Boh: A traffic study has been undertaken for Kuala Lumpur and certain by-pass roads have been recommended in the report.

Land is at present being reserved for these and they will be constructed as and when they become necessary and funds are available.

It is intended that certain of those recommended in the traffic survey as required during the period 1965-1970 should be constructed during this period.
Many improvements to junctions within the town area have already been completed and a number of minor improvements to the busy main roads will be carried out during the next five years.

that Fire Services 137.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing the if he is aware 1,000-member National Union of Fire Fighting Services of Malaya wants the Central Government to take over all fire fighting units in the country instead of their now being controlled by either State Government or Local Authorities.

If so, what action has been taken over this request for centralization.

Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: Yes.


Fire Services under the 9th Schedule of the Federal Constitution is a State subject, and any step towards centralization will involve consultation with the State Governments and amendments to the Constitution.
The request for centrali zation has been considered and it has decided that except in time of war, there is no valid reason why fire services should be a Central Govern ment responsibility because throughout the world the common practice is that fire services are the responsibility of Local Authorities, viz., Municipalities, County Councils and authorities of like nature.

Training Facilities for Fire Services 138.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing to state, since he has admitted that there is a lack of training facilities for fire services, what steps he has taken to remedy this deficiency.

Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: It is not correct to say that there is a lack of training facilities for fire services.
A Central Fire Training School has been in existence since 1958 at which instruc tion in fire fighting and fire prevention is being given to all ranks of fire service personnel up to Station Officer level.

Training in industrial fire pro tection is also given at this Training School.
With the rapid pace of indus trialization and other developments in the country, the Ministry of Local Government and Housing has recog nized the need to improve training facilities and for this purpose, a new Central Fire Training School will be built under the 1st Malaysia Develop ment Plan.

2123 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2124 Developers of Housing Estates 139.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing if he is aware of the exploita tion by some developers of housing estates, and if so, when he will intro duce legislation to curb such exploita tion.

Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: The Minister for Local Government and Housing is aware of the exploitation by some developers of housing estates.
Action was taken to draft legislation to curb such exploitation and since "Housing and provision for housing accommoda tion" is a subject in the State List of the 9th Schedule of the Federal Consti tution, the draft Bill was sent to all the State Governments in the States of Malaya on 9th April, 1965, for their comments and views.

All State Govern ments but one have sent their views and comments which are now being processed.
The Minister for Local to Government and Housing hopes introduce this legislation at the first sitting of Parliament in 1966.

Low-Cost Housing Units in Malaya 140.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing to state: (a) the number of low-cost housing units that have been built by the Government in Malaya for the years 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963 and 1964; (b) what is the generally accepted requirement of housing in rela tion to the population; and (c) whether the low-cost housing provided by the Government ful fils that requirement.

Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: (a) Year 1960 1961 1962 1963 1964 No.
of low-cost housing units built 110 418 815 2,628 2,491 (b) In of the absence of a National Housing Survey of the States of Malaya, the Ministry of Local Government and Housing has had to rely on population statistics to work out the housing needs of the country.

The population, as at mid-1964, was 7.8 million for the States of Malaya with an annual increase of 3%.

This gives increase of 234,000 an annual persons.


Of it is increase this estimated that about 20% will be able to purchase their own houses without any difficulty.

Of the remaining 187,200 persons it is that about 60% will estimated require low-cost housing while the other 40% will require some form of financial assistance such loans from Malaya Borneo as Building Society, Co-operative Societies, Banks, etc., to purchase therefore gives a houses.

This figure persons 112,320 requiring low-cost housing.
The Ministry assumes a standard of 6 persons per dwelling and this therefore equates an annual need of 18,720 low-cost housing units.

This does not however take into account the present backlog in urban housing from squatters, overcrowding in shop slum houses, the clearance.
According Federal Commissioner for Town and Country Planning it is esti mated in Kuala Lumpur 60% of the total population is inadequately housed and if it is assumed that similar conditions exist in other urban areas, then of the 3.2 million living in urban areas (1962 figure) 1.92 million housed.

At are 6 persons per housing unit this represents a backlog of 320,000 units.

No figure is entered for backlog in rural housing since it from readily available is not existing statistics.
Acknowledging a 20-year period to work out the present backlog in housing it will be necessary to build 16,000 units per annum which in addition to the 18,720 units for population increase give a total inadequately resulting required cubicles that and to 2125 10 NOVEMBER 1965 of 34,720 units of housing to be built per annum.

low cost Year No.

Name of Scheme 2126 No.


of Settlers Resident as at 30-9-65 Even- tual (c) Owing to of the stringency financial arising from Confrontation and to finance the diversion defence, low-cost housing provided by Government will not be able to completely fulfil the requirement given the pre ceding paragraph.

Because of this the Minister into every possible avenues of finance for low-cost housing other than Government.
is pursuing in Footbridges at Jalan Tuanku Abdul Rahman and Jalan Bungsar 141.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing whether there is a proposal to build footbridges at Jalan Tuanku Abdul Rahman and Jalan Bungsar, and if so, when will they be built.

Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: A footbridge is already under construction by the A.I.A.

over Jalan Ampang.
over Jalan Ampang.

Considera tion is now being given for provision to be entered in the 1966 Budget for a similar footbridge over Jalan Tuanku Abdul Rahman and Jalan Bungsar.

MINISTRY OF NATIONAL AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT F.L.D.A.

Schemes 142.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of National and Rural Deve the number of F.L.D.A.

lopment schemes that have been started since its inception.

Kindly give the number and name of schemes in each State year by year and the settlers in each scheme.
The Minister of National and Rural Development (Tun Haji Abdul Razak bin Dato' Hussain): The details requested are as follows: Year No.

Name of Scheme State No.

of Settlers Resident as at 30-9-65 Even- tual 1957 1.

Ayer L a n as .. K e l a n t an .. 400 400 1958 2.

K e m e n d o re .. Malacca 3.

Solok Menggong ,, 4.

C h a l ok .. .. Trengganu 5.

Batu L a p an .. K e d ah .. .. 379 97 372 86 380 97 400 86 1959 6.

E n d au .. 7.

M a c h ap .

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8.

Bilut Valley 9.

Sungai Tiang 10.


Bukit T e m b a g a.

11.

G u ar Napai J o h o re Malacca Pahang K e d ah 1960 12.

Kong K o ng J o h o re .

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13.

Sungai Tiram 14.

Kulai 15.

Ayer H i t am 16.

P a r it Haji I d r i s. 17.

Bukit Serampang 18.

Tenang 19.

H u t an Percha 20.

Sendayan 21.

L a bu Jaya 22.

Gedangsa 23.

Ijok 24.

K a m p o ng Awah 25.

Kg.

New Zealand .

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.. 1961 26.

27.

28.

29.

30.

31.

32.

Teck W ah Heng Lenga .. K e m e l a h. .


Medoi .. Chemplak Bukit R o k an Sungai Lui .

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Malacca .

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N. Sembilan Selangor .

P e r ak P a h a ng J o h o re .

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N. Sembilan 1961 33.

34.

35.

36.

Sungai Buaya Sungai Klah Bersia Sungai T e k am Selangor Perak , P a h a ng 1962 37.

Pasak J o h o re 38.

Pasir Raja 39.

Bukit Batu 40.

Pasir Besar N. Sembilan 41.

Sungai D u s un Selangor 42.

Lasah 43.

Klau Valley 44.

Ulu J e m p ol Perak P a h a ng 45.

Seberang Tayor Trengganu 46.


Jerangau 47.

Belara .

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48.

Tenang-Besut 49.

Teloi K a n an K e d ah 1963 50.

Bukit Besar J o h o re 51.

U lu Tebrau 52.

Bukit Serampang U t a ra 53.

Bukit Jalor N. Sembilan 54.

Sungai Kelemah 55.

Sungai Berang .

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P e r ak 56.

K a m p o ng Sertik P a h a ng 57.

Sungai Nerek .

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58.

Bukit Tajau 59.

Bukit Bading Trengganu 60.

L u b ok M e r b au .

K e d ah 1964 6 1.

Sungai Sayong.

Johore 1965 62.

Bukit R a m un .


Nil Nil 390 300 J u m l ah 9,202 21,099 2127 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2128 Monetary Assistance to Settlers the 143.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister and Rural of National Development to state (a) the amount of monetary assistance given to each settler every month; (b) whether it was not originally intended that the assistance should be only for the first two years; (c) whether it is true that this cash aid has not stopped; and (d) if so, what are the reasons for this continued aid.

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: (a) A settler is paid at the rate of $2.90 per working day.
On the average a settler earns between $50 to $75 depending upon the number of days he works.

(b) Yes.

(c) Yes.

(d) The original intention to stop "subsistence allowance" was based on the assumption that it would be possible to develop term dusun areas—for crops—by the third year.

It was found that it is not possible for settlers simul to undertake taneous development of both the main and the subsidiary crops.

short 144.
short 144.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the and Rural of National Minister Development the amount of monetary assistance given to F.L.D.A.

settlers year by year since its inception and whether any of the money spent has been recovered.

If not, why.

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Payments to settlers for work done are charged not to the individual accounts but to job accounts which will ultimately be cash pro-rated.
Consequently, to receipts by settlers are charged various expenditure such as and maintenance of establishment agricultural areas, roads, drains, etc., etc.

Total direct agricultural develop tools ments costs including housing, items all and implements for F.L.D.A.

Schemes, year by year, are given below— Year Amount of Direct Agricultural Development Expenditure August 1956-June 1957 .

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$ 212,660 July 1957-June 1958 .


258,910 July 1958-June 1959 July 1959-June 1960 July 1960-June 1961 July 1961-June 1962 July 1962-June 1963 July 1963-June 1964 July 1964-June 1965 .

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1,311,936 2,782,225 4,220,124 10,639,285 10,156,647 15,771,373 16,450,062 $61,803,222 The settlers start repaying their loans when their rubber or oil palm starts production.

Up to date seven schemes have already commenced production and the settlers in these schemes have begun to repay their loans.

145.
145.

Pengiran Tahir Petra bertanya ka pada Menteri Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar ada-kah dia sedar bahawa sa-bahagian daripada ra'ayat bumiputra Sabah mempunyai' tanah yang tiada di-usahakan tetapi kerana mereka tidak ada kemudahan hendak mengusahakan tanah itu ada-kah Kera jaan berchadang membantu mereka mengusahakan tanah mereka, dan jika sedar, apa-kah bantuan itu dan chara ia boleh di-dapati.
di-Sabah Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Saya sedar ia-itu sa-tengah daripada orang2 bumi putra tidak mempunyai kemampuan yang perlu untok mema- jukan tanah mereka.

Tetapi, keadaan ini sedang di-baiki oleh Kerajaan Negeri dengan memberi bantuan wang kapada kumpulan2 pekebun2 kechil dalam Ranchangan Penempatan Ke chil.

Bantuan2 yang di-beri berupa bahan2 tanaman perchuma, baja, per- kakas2 rumah, dan pemberian wang kerana tanaman.
2129 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2130 Rubber Factory in Gersik, Johore MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT 146.

Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar: (a) ada-kah benar bahawa Kerajaan berchadang hendak menutup kilang getah di-Gersik, Johor, dan jika ya, apa sebab-nya; dan (b) boleh-kah Kerajaan menyerah- kan kilang itu kapada Sharikat Kerjasama Membeli Getah Bumiputra.

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: (a) Pada masa ini saya tidak ber chadang hendak menutup kilang getah di-Gersik itu.
Akan tetapi, ada-lah menjadi dasar Kerajaan menutup kilang2 yang tidak mendatangkan keuntongan.

(b) Kerajaan akan bersedia menye- rahkan kilang itu dengan sharat2 tertentu jika Sharikat Kerja sama Pasaran Getah Bumi putra itu di-dapati berkebolehan menguruskan-nya.

Bumiputra Congress Resolutions 147.

Enche' Mohd.

Daud bin Abdul Samad bertanya kapada Menteri Pem bangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar, daripada 19 keputusan Konggeres Bumiputra, berapa banyak-kah sudah di-laksanakan dan sebutkan perkara2- nya.
Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Konggeres Ekonomi Bumiputra mengambil 69 ketetapan semua-nya.

Empat ketetapan yang penting, ia-itu menubohkan: (1) Majlis Amanah Ra'ayat (MARA) (2) Bank Bumiputra (3) Badan Kebangsaan, dan (4) Lembaga Pasaran Pertanian Per- sekutuan (FAMA), telah pun di-laksanakan.

Ketetapan2 yang lain sedang di-jalankan.


Kerajaan telah melantek sa-buah Jawatan-kuasa Tetap yang di-pengerusikan oleh Tim- balan Perdana Menteri dan Menteri Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Ban dar untok memberi penerangan rengkas sa-bagai mengawasi perlaksanaan kete tapan2 ini.

R.I.M.V.

Office, Kuala Lumpur 148.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Transport if it is true that in the office of the R.I.M.V.
in Kuala Lumpur a peon has been asked to do the work of a telephone operator, and if so, what are the reasons for the department cancelling telephone the Main Switch connections Board, and is the Minister aware that this practice has caused a great deal of inconvenience to the people who have to ring up the R.LM.V.

in Kuala Lumpur.
in Kuala Lumpur.

from the it The Minister of Transport (Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir): There is no telephone switch-board in the Senior Inspector of Motor Registrar and Vehicles's Selangor office and is therefore not true to say that a peon has been asked to do the work of a telephone operator.

There are two tele phones in that office, one a direct line to the Senior Registrar and Inspector of Motor Vehicles, No.

89988; the other No.

88899 is in the general office.


Originally there was only one line and since the installation of the new line the situation has slightly improved.

Fatal Motor Accidents the 149.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Transport if he is aware of the spate of fatal motor vehicle accidents that have taken place in the last two months, and if so, what action to has been prevent such fatal accidents.
taken by his Ministry Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: The Minister of Transport is aware of the spate of fatal accidents during the last two months.

A Press Conference was held at this Ministry on 21st August, 1965, in which the Minister appealed to the public to report in to any State Registrar of writing Vehicle any bus, lorry or commercial van violating the speed limit imposed on that appropriate action can be taken against it.
The Minister also stated that his Ministry was considering to identify lorry attendants and warned the vehicle, so issuing badges 2131 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2132 taken against that action would be those attendants who went to sleep while on duty.
campaign Following the publication of the Minister's statement in Sunday Times of 22nd August, 1965, the Kuala Lumpur Traffic Police which is work the ing in close co-operation with launched a Ministry of Transport speeding special lorries and vans, and as a result, up to 26th October, 1965, 747 lorry drivers were booked in and action by way of summons were taken against to court actions, them.
In addition reports on the offending drivers were sent to the various RIMV's concerned for their information and records.

against The Minister of Transport, during his meetings with transport operators as well as transport companies has made off-and-on appeals to the motor ists not to exceed the authorised speed limits and warned them of the danger of driving recklessly.
It is hoped that the Road Safety Week to be held in Kuala Lumpur in conjunction with the coming Highway Safety and Traffic Engineering Con ference at the end of this month will educate road-users to be safety con scious and to obey the road traffic rules and the Highway Code.

Pilgrimage to Mecca by Land 150.


Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Pengangkutan ia-itu berhubong dengan kenyataan- nya bahawa orang2 Islam di-Malaysia sekarang boleh menunaikan Fardhu Haji ka-Mekah dengan mengikuti jalan darat, nyatakan (a) apa-kah rancha- ngan2 utama yang telah di-jalankan dan (b) memandang bahawa Malaysia telah menjadi ahli Jawatan-kuasa Ker- jasama Jalan Raya sa-Asia, apa-kah peranan yang di-jangka Malaysia akan jalankan di-dalam ranchangan tersebut.
Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: (a) Sa-masa saya membuat kenya- taan itu, saya khusus-nya meru- jok kapada Jalan Raya sa-Asia, ya'ani bila Jalan Raya itu siap kelak, boleh-lah orang2 Islam di-Malaysia menunaikan Fardhu Haji ka-Mekah dengan melalui jalan darat.
Oleh kerana me- mandangkan yang Jalan Raya itu akan mengambil masa bebe- rapa tahun lagi untok menyu- dahkan-nya dan beberapa per- kara lagi, saperti chara2 kawa- lan lalu lintas yang sama dan kemudahan2 menyeberangi sem- padan dan lain2 lagi, yang mesti di-selenggarakan maka setakat ini ada-lah lagi untok kita membuat apa2 ran changan.
terlalu awal (b) Sekadar negara Malaysia, kita telah pun memainkan peranan kita dengan menyudahkan Jalan Raya Pertama (Route I) dari- pada dan Johore di-Selatan sampai-lah ka-sempadan Thai land di-Utara yang merupakan sebahagian daripada Jalan Rays sa-Asia.

Mutu dan darjat Jalan Raya kita ini ada-lah lebeh baik daripada apa yang di-kehendaki untok Jalan Raya Antara Bangsa yang merupakan Jalan Raya sa-Asia itu.

Cargo Handling Corporation Ltd, Port Swettenham 151.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Transport to state: the (a) whether it is true that the Port Authority at Port Swettenham owns 98% of its subsidiary, the Cargo Handling Corporation Ltd, if so, to state the reason why the Cargo Handling Corpo- tion Ltd, is not COMPLETELY owned by the Port Authority at Port Swettenham; (b) who are the shareholders of the remaining 2% of the Cargo Handling Corporation Ltd, and what is the proportion of the shares that they hold; (c) whether Y.B.
Dato' Cheong Jin Hoe the Manager of the Cargo Handling Corporation Ltd, is a shareholder; if so, whether this is not undesirable as he is both employer and employee of the Cargo Handling Corporation Ltd, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Port Authority at Port Swettenham.
2133 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2134 Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: (a) It is true that the Port Swetten- ham Authority owns 98% of its subsidiary, the Cargo Handling Corporation Ltd. whether he will request to re-examine this proposal carefully, bearing in mind that it is the safety and convenience of the travelling public that matters most.

from The Port Swettenham Autho rity acquired 98% the Railway Administration when the Port Authority, was estab lished on 1st July, 1963.
The company was originally a run ning concern owned by one Mr Tan Teck Bee when the Mala yan Railway bought the majority shares.

Subsequently, the Mala yan Railway bought the whole share of Mr Tan Teck Bee and at the same time sold 2% of the shares to two persons at 1 % each who became the directors.

This was done presumably with the intention of having two persons unconnected with the Railway Administration to participate in the affairs of the company.
When these two persons took the shares, there was an under taking with the Railway Admi nistration not to give up their shares to any other person except to the Railway Adminis tration.

into aspects, Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: The proposal to combine the two night trains running between Kuala mail Lumpur one and Singapore stemmed from the Railway Adminis tration's study of the economics of the two trains and consideration of other train services as a whole.
The proposal has not been implemented yet as all including related practical valid objections raised by the Union, are still being investigated before the proposal is finally implemented.

The Minister is aware of Union objections, as whatever objections there are, are being administratively dealt with by the Railway Administration.

There is not the least intention to reduce passenger comforts and requirements or safety standards set by the Administration for the travelling public on any of its services.
In fact, it has been the policy of the Administration to improve the safety, comfort and other requirements of passengers.

Railway Locomotives (b) The shareholders of the remain ing 2% of the Cargo Handling Corporation Ltd, are: 153.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Transport the number of railway locomotives: bin Abdullah (1) Y.M.

Dato' Hamzah ... 1% (2) Enche' G. Leo, J.M.N.

1 % (c) Y.B.

Dato' Cheong Jin Hoe is the Manager of the Corporation and is not a shareholder.
Train Service between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore 152.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Transport the reason for the proposed cancellation of one of the twice-nightly two way Kuala Lumpur- Singapore mail trains and whether he is aware is bitterly that R.U.M.

opposed to this proposed cancellation, and that besides inconveniencing the travelling public, the proposed single mail train per night may endanger the lives of the travelling public.

If so, (a) Steam.
If so, (a) Steam.

(b) diesel that were available in 1955 and at the end of Septem ber, 1965, and how many new railway diesel locomotives were bought or presented this period.
in Number of Locomotives Dato9 Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Avail- Avail- able in able on 30-9-65 1955 112 151 13 Steam locomotives (main line) Steam locomotives (shunting) Diesel locomotives — (main line) Diesel locomotives (shunting) 26 — 41 41 2135 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2136 Diesel locomotives purchased bet ween 1955 and 30th September, 1965: Main liners Shunters ... .

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41 15 Of the 41 main line diesel locomotives available, fifteen were recently acquired from Japan and were undergoing tests before being commissioned into service.

No diesel locomotives were presented during the period.

Railway Goods Carriages 154.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Transport the number of railway goods carriages that were available in 1955 and at the end of September, 1965, and how many rail way goods carriages were bought or presented in this period.
Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jobir: Number of wagons Available Available in 1955 on 30-9-65 5,520 .

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4,938 (all types) Traffic Wagons Departmental Wagons ... ... 878 900 During the period 1955 to 30th Sep tember, 1965, 978 new wagons were purchased and 307 wagons built in Sentul Works.

None was presented.

45 more wagons have since been pur chased, 12 more are on order and tenders have been invited for a further 100 wagons.

Railway Passenger Carriages 155.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Transport the number of railway passenger carriages that were available in 1955 and at the end of September, 1965, and how many rail way passenger carriages were bought or presented in this period.

Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jobir: Number of coaches Available Available on 30-9-65 (all types) Coaches Steam railcars Diesel railcars Railcar trailers in 1955 .

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322 5 .

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322 5 .

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362 12 12 During trailers were constructed to 30th the period 1955 September, 1965.

81 coaches and 12 railcar in Sentul Works.

No coaches/trailers were purchased or presented.

Six railcars were purchased from Australia and seven railcars were presented in all, six by the Australian Government and one by the Japanese Government.

15 more diesel railcars are on order from Japan.

Tonnage of Railway Goods Traffic and Revenue Earned 156.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Transport the figures for : the (a) tonnage of goods carried by the Malayan Railway; and (b) the revenue from this source for the years 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963 and 1964.
Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jobir: Goods traffic- Tonnage carried Revenue earned 1955 1956 1957 1958 1959 1960 1961 1962 1963 1964 ,, ,, 2,376,121 tons $31,347,627 2,611,310 36,368,647 2,477,859 35,692,830 2,295,725 30,015,827 2,933,171 32,269,928 3,604,853 3,833,303 3,496,903 3,065,576 3,330,252 37,086,098 37,144,905 34,435,307 30,660,924 33,170,272 " ,, .. ,, " .. .. Railway Passenger Traffic and Revenue Derived 157.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Transport for the figures for: (a) passengers carried by the Malayan Railways; and (b) the revenue from this source for the years 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963 and 1964.

2137 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2138 Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Malayan Railway Administration Commission of Inquiry Passenger Train Traffic— No.
of Passengers Passenger Revenue 1955 1956 1957 1958 1959 1960 1961 1962 1963 1964 7,686,839 7,508,753 7,643,207 7,134,823 7,314,378 7,743,443 7,531,687 7,239,032 5,335,967 6,046,839 $16,685,356 19,622,032 20,526,605 19,514,000 19,548,234 20,137,811 19,991,478 19,680,152 18,181,723 18,692,052 Subang Airport Parcels and Mails Revenue $3,592,358 4,428,053 4,325,582 3,976,963 3,861,130 3,997,756 4,076,448 4,025,433 3,650,944 3,873,995 159.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Transport if he is aware of the call by R.U.M.

made on 15th October, 1965 for a public inquiry into the day-to-day administration of the Malayan Railway, and the statement by the general secretary of R.U.M.

Mr S. Packrisamy who said "we have gathered enough written evidence to warrant an important public inquiry.
The administration is losing thousands of dollars daily in its running of goods trains," and whether in view of these serious allegations he will set up a Commission of Inquiry.

the 158.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Transport if he is aware of the leaks, moths, unsuitable furniture, general untidiness and lack of air- conditioning for visitors and passengers if so, in whether he will take immediate steps to rectify these faults before there are serious repercussions from tourists.
the Subang Airport, and Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Yes, the Minister is aware that there were leaks in the roof of the terminal building and action has been taken to rectify this.

The Minister is also aware large the nuisance created by of numbers of moths attracted by the high intensity lighting of the terminal building and this too has been rectified by the use of insecticides.
As regards the unsuitable furniture, action has been taken to place cushioned furniture in the concourse area for those who do not wish to use the original cement chairs.

Finally, the Minister is also aware of the complaint regarding the lack of air- general untidiness and conditioning for visitors and passengers using the terminal building and action has also been taken to require the cleaning contractor to increase his staff and to order mechanical equipment for more effective service.
The air-condi tioned holding area is now made acces sible to departing passengers as soon as they have "checked in" and this appears to have overcome the original complaints.

In addition, for visitors to the airport there is an air-conditioned restaurant which is open to the public.

Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: 1 am aware of the call made by R.U.M.

only as reported in the Press.


However, the matter is being investigated into and there being any reasonable cause for an inquiry, then a Commission the purpose will certainly be set up.

if it is found for MINISTRY FOR WELFARE SERVICES Social and Welfare Lotteries Board Ordinance 160.

Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Kebajikan 'Am sudah-kah di-minta persetujuan me- luaskan kuat kuasa Undang2 Lembaga Loteri Kebajikan Masharakat ka- Sarawak dan Sabah daripada Kera jaan Negeri2 itu.
supaya Menteri Kebajikan 'Am (Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan): Kerajaan Negeri Sabah dan Sarawak telah di-minta kuat persetujuan memberi kuasa Undang2 Lembaga Loteri Ke bajikan Masharakat di-luaskan ka- Sabah dan Sarawak.

Oleh kerana ada beberapa mas'alah yang terpaksa di- atasi, maka rundingan sedang berjalan bagi untok menchapai persetujuan meluaskan kuat kuasa Undang2 itu kedua2 wilayah yang tersebut.

Women's Welfare Board 161.


Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Kebajikan 'Am supaya menyatakan, sa-takat ini, apa 2139 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2140 bantuan yang telah di-berikan oleh Kementerian-nya kapada Lembaga Ke bajikan Perempuan yang telah di-tuboh- kan empat tahun dahulu dan jika belum di-hulorkan bantuan, ada-kah Kemen terian-nya berchadang memberikan-nya.
'Am Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Kementerian Kebajikan tidak memberi bantuan kapada Lembaga Kebajikan Perempuan yang di-sebutkan dalam pertanyaan itu, oleh kerana Lembaga itu tidak meminta bantuan dari Kementerian Kebajikan 'Am.

Kementerian ini tidak tahu tentang ada- nya sa-buah Lembaga saperti itu.

Unclaimed Prize Money 162.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Welfare Services to state the amount of unclaimed money by Social Welfare ticket holders year by year since the inception of the State Welfare Lotteries Board and what the Government intends to do with this amount of money.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: The since 1953 are unclaimed prizes ; follows: 1953 ... .
1954 1955 1956 1957 1958 1959 1960 1961 1962 1963 .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 1964 1965 up to 11th Draw on 11th August .. $214,000.00 229,000.00 313,000.00 288,000.00 279,500.00 404,000.00 556,600.00 962,150.00 773,850.00 621,450.00 704,850.00 988,950.00 519,650.00 Unclaimed prizes revert to the Board and form part of total the proceeds.

Since Social and Welfare Lotteries Act, 1962 all unclaimed prizes are credited to the Consolidated Fund.
the Board's the passing of MINISTRY OF WORKS, POSTS AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS Labis Dual Carriageway the 163.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Works, Posts and Telecom munications if he is aware that the Labis Dual Carriageway has been the scene of an increased number of acci dents lately, and if so, whether he will steps, e.g., better take lighting, more traffic sign boards, etc., to prevent the number of traffic accidents from increasing along this road.
immediate luminous to The Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications (Dato' V. T. Samhanthan): This carriageway has a the Southern right angled bend approach to the Bridge and traffic is limited to 30 miles per hour.

Improve ments to the road including supereleva tion has reduced the accidents rate to 2-3 per year.

However, action is being taken to further improve this parti cular stretch.

Bridge at Tanjong Karang 164.


Raja Rome bin Raja Ma'amor bertanya kapada Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos dan Talikom, oleh kerana jalan Sabak Bernam ka-Kuala Selangor jadi sa-bahagian daripada Asian Highway, ada-kah Kerajaan akan menyiapkan jambatan yang sudah 7 tahun terbeng- kalai atau pun membena sa-buah jam batan baharu pula, untok menggantikan jambatan papan yang ada sekarang ini di-Tanjong Karang, yang sangat mer- bahaya kapada kenderaan2 yang berat.
Dato' V. T. Samhanthan: Jalan Sabak Bernam ka-Kuala Selangor tidak akan menjadi sa-bahagian daripada Asian Highway.

Berkenaan dengan jambatan di-Tanjong Karang itu, satu konterek sa-banyak $149,980 telah di- itu beri untok pembenaan yang akan siap dalam bulan September, 1966.

Jambatan ini akan menggantikan jambatan papan yang ada sekarang.

jambatan Bridge at Kuala Selangor 165.


Raja Rome bin Raja Ma'amor bertanya kapada Menteri Kerja Raya, 2141 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2142 ada-kah Kerajaan Pos dan Talikom, oleh kerana lalu2- lintas di-Kuala Selangor makin ber- tambah2 di-sebabkan jalan raya besar menjadi sa-bahagian daripada Asian Highway, ber- sa-buah chadang, hendak membena jambatan untok menggantikan peri tersebut atau pun memperbaiki per- khidmatan peri yang ada sekarang dan yang menyulitkan kenderaan2 yang berulang alek.
Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: Jalan di- Kuala Selangor itu tidak akan menjadi sa-bahagian daripada Asian Highway.

lalu2- Kementerian saya sedar akan lintas di-Kuala Selangor makin ber- tambah2 dan sa-buah peri lagi telah pun di-adakan untok memperbaiki perkhidmatan peri yang ada sekarang.

Post Office, Muar 166.


Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos dan Talikom sama ada Kementerian beliau sedar akan kesulitan2 yang di- hadapi oleh Pegawai2 Jabatan Pos, Muar, berkenaan dengan pejabat-nya, dan jika sedar, bila-kah Kerajaan ber- chadang hendak membena Bangunan2 Kerajaan untok menempatkan Jabatan itu.

lama dan Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: Pejabat Pos, Muar sekarang ini di-tempatkan tiap2 di-sabuah bangunan ruangan-nya di-gunakan.
ada-lah Ruangan itu ada-lah menchukopi untok menjalankan urusan2 pos sekarang ini.

Keadaan ini sentiasa di-dalam perhatian dan langkah2 yang sesuai akan di-ambil untok memenohi kehendak2 yang akan datang apabila ada-nya wang.

Talikom nyatakan talipon yang luar Telephone Booths 167.
Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber- tanya kapada Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos dan bilangan pondok2 telah di-bena di-kawasan2 apa-kah sebab2-nya Kementerian berkenaan tidak merasmikan pembukaan pondok2 itu, walau bagaimana kechil talipon sekali dan tetapi berfaedah pun mustahak kapada negara dan ra'ayat saperti juga dengan ranchangan2 luar bandar yang lain, yang selalu di- rasmikan pembukaan-nya.
bandar, Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: Sa-hingga masa ini pondok2 talipon yang telah di-bena di-kawasan2 Luar Bandar ada- lah berjumlah sa-banyak 1,189.

Pem bukaan2 telah di-rasmikan bagi sa- tengah pondok2 talipon itu tetapi oleh kerana banyak-nya pondok2 itu yang telah di-benakan maka sa-kira-nya pembukaan kesemua-nya di-rasmikan Kerajaan sudah tentu membelanjakan wang yang tidak memerlukan.

Klang Coast Omnibus Company 168.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecom munications to state: (a) the arrears, if any, owing by the Klang Coast Omnibus Company to the Telecoms Department for the months of January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August and September of this year; (b) if there are arrears of payment why has this been tolerated and whether this is due to negligence on the part of the Telecoms Department; if so, whether he this matter would and take appropriate disciplinary action against the officers con cerned.
investigate Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: It is the the Telecommunications policy of Department not to disclose the accounts of a telephone subscriber to a third party, and it is, therefore, regretted that it is not proper for me to give the details of accounts of the Klang Coast Omnibus Company.

Telephone subscribers' lines are dis connected when there is delay in settling outstanding accounts, and in this case there was disconnection.

Telephone Facilities at Subang Airport 169.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecom munications if he is aware of the com plaints about poor telephone facilities for the public at the Subang Airport, and if so, whether he will assure the House that these facilities will always be properly and adequately maintained all the times.
2143 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2144 Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: There were quite a number of faults on the Subang Airport public telephones when they were first installed but these faults have been cleared and, apart from the usual faults which can occur on all electro mechanical equipment, the service is now considered satisfactory.

telephones over An analysis of the faults made on the six public the period 28-9-65 to 27-10-65 showed that there was a total of 10 faults.
Daily checks are made by technicians and it is hoped that the fault rate will be further reduced.

Working Hours of Telephone Operators if he 170.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecom the munications discrimination in the weekly working hours of telephone operators, and if so, whether he will standardise the weekly working hours of telephone operators in exchanges throughout the country.
is aware of in the large those in the smaller Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: Telephone operators telephone exchanges work less hours per week than telephone exchanges.

This is because telephone operators telephone to work at higher exchanges have pressure the smaller those towns as the number of calls made by larger telephone subscribers towns is much greater the in smaller towns.

the than larger than the in in in Traffic Congestion in Jalan Klang 171.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecom munications if he is aware of the con gestion in Jalan Klang between the Brickfields Bridge and the roundabout at the start of the Federal Highway, and that the road there is narrow and the absence of bus bays makes matter worse, and if so, whether he will take steps to widen this stretch of the road and provide bus bays so as to ease the traffic congestion there.
Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: The road in question is a Municipal Road and it will not be proper for me to reply to the points the Hon'ble raised by Member.

Istana Arau 172.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecom munications the renovation, reconstruction and exten sion of the Istana Arau.
total cost of the Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: The reno vation, construction and extension of the Istana Arau is a State project undertaken by the State Public Works Department and the figure for the total cost of the work has not been finalised as yet.

Waterworks Department, Kuala Lumpur 173.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecom munications whether he is aware that in the Straits Times of 30th August, 1965, there was a letter from one Mr H. H. Chua complaining of the infuriat ing impatient queuers waiting to pay their water bills at Jalan Tangsi, Kuala Lumpur, and if so, whether he will investigate this com plaint and take appropriate action.

long row of Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: This is a State matter.
Penang-Province Wellesley Causeway it is true (a) if 174.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Tele communications to state: that the Prime Minister agreed to the proposal to build a causeway linking Penang and Province Wellesley; (b) whether this is considered the best way of linking Penang to the mainland or there are other ways of doing this, e.g., by tunnel on the sea bed; (c) whether the Government has decided in favour of a cause way, and if so, whether this has been incorporated in the First Malaysia Five-Year Plan; (d) whether the Government has decided on this because of the possibility of Singapore closing its port facilities against us, and if so, whether this is not con the protestations of trary co-operation between two Governments.
the to 2145 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2146 Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: (a) The possibility of building a causeway linking Penang and Province Wellesley has been mentioned by the Honourable the Prime Minister.

(b) This is a matter for investiga tion.

(c) This depends on the findings of (b).

No provision has been made the 2nd Five-Year Plan.

in (d) This proposal was made by the Prime Minister over a year ago when Singapore was still part of Malaysia.

PRIME MINISTER'S DEPARTMENT Parliamentary Secretaries 175.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the if a Parliamentary Prime Minister Secretary is an officer of the Crown.

If he is, whether he is allowed to carry on his private work pari passu with his work as a Parliamentary Secretary as, for example, whether a Parliamentary Secretary who is a lawyer is allowed to carry on his law practice pari passu with his duties as a Parliamentary Secretary.
If the answer is in the negative, whether he would ask all Parliamentary Secretaries to sever all connections with their previous work and devote all their attention to their duties as Parliamentary Secretaries.

The Prime Minister: A Parliamen tary Secretary is not a member of the Public Service nor an officer of the Crown.

He is like a Minister or Assis the tant Minister, a "Member of Administration".
As a member of the Administration he is not allowed to carry out his private professional work pari passu with his work as Parlia mentary Secretary.

I am not aware of any Parliamentary Secretary doing his private work, however, I will give notice to all Parliamentary Secretaries to cease carrying on with their private business.

Utusan Melayu 176.
Utusan Melayu 176.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks if he is aware Prime Minister the that during the past few months the Utusan Melayu has been mounting a series of attacks against the Christians that it has taken the reading of the sedition laws embodied in the Internal Security Act by the Prime Minister of Singa pore to get an assurance that these attacks against the Christians in the Utusan Melayu will cease and that such attacks are likely to cause religious discord in Malaysia.
If so, would he state what steps the Alliance Govern ment proposes to prevent to further attacks against the Christians being printed in the Utusan Melayu.

take the law of The Prime Minister: The Govern ment believes in the freedom of the Press and has no intention of interfering with any publication unless such publi cation contravenes this country.

2.

The Government has no reports to suggest that any article published by Utusan Melayu has caused, or is likely to cause, religious discord.

3.
3.

In fact, its editorial of 25th in September, 1965, the Utusan Melayu had pointed out that there was freedom in Malaysia and had of advised the people of this country to adopt a policy of religious tolerance.

religion Visits of the Prime Ministers of Korea and Vietnam 177.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Prime Minister how much was spent on the State visit of (a) Tun II Kwong Chung, and (b) Tun Nguyen Cao Ky. How many floodlit arches were built in Kuala Lumpur and how much did they cost.
The Prime Minister: The Govern ment has spent the following amount on the visits of the Prime Ministers of: (1) Korea—Tun II Kwong Chung $35,000 ... 25,000 Cao Ky (2) Vietnam—Tun Nguyen ... Four arches were built at a cost of 12,750 I might inform the Hon'ble Member that Korean Government had been a most generous host to me and so was last Vietnam Government when I 2147 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2148 visited that country.

Visits of foreign heads of State should not be made a subject of contention in this country.
Allowances to Voluntary Organisations 178.
Raja Rome bin Raja Ma'amor bertanya kapada Perdana Menteri oleh kerana sa-tengah2 Pasokan2 Sukarela, saperti Pasokan Tentera Wataniah, Pasokan Pertahanan 'Awam dan Pasok an Setia Negara ada-lah di-beri elaun apabila mereka menjalani latehan atau bertugas, ada-kah Kerajaan akan me- nimbang memberi elaun yang sama kapada pasokan2 sukarela yang lain, saperti Pasokan Pertolongan Chemas dan Persatuan Palang Merah, jika tidak, apa-kah sebab-nya ada perbezaan2 ter- sebut.
Perdana Menteri: Pasokan Tentera Wataniah, Pasokan Pertahanan 'Awam dan Pasokan Setia Negara ada-lah Pasokan2 Sukarela yang di-anjorkan oleh Kerajaan.

Akan tetapi Pasokan Pertolongan Chemas (St. John Ambu lance Brigade) dan Persatuan Palang sukarela Merah ada-lah pertubohan itu yang bersendirian.

Oleh kerana Pasokan Pertolongan Chemas dan Per satuan Palang Merah tidak di-beri elaun latehan oleh Kerajaan sebagai- mana yang di-nyatakan itu.
Ahli2 dari- pada pertubohan sukarela yang ber sendirian, itu masok jika mereka pasokan2 sukarela anjoran Kerajaan akan juga di-beri elaun saperti yang di-bayar kapada ahli2 Pasokan Tentera Wataniah, Pasokan Pertahanan 'Awam dan lain2.

Oleh sebab itu perkara per bezaan yang di-sebutkan oleh ahli Yang Berhormat itu tidak-lah timbul.

Expatriates in Malaysia 179.


Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad ber tanya kapada Perdana Menteri jumlah pegawai2 dagang yang berkhidmat di-: (a) Malaya (b) Sarawak (c) Sabah Bagi (b) dan (c) berapa lama mereka berkhidmat di-situ.
Perdana Menteri: Jumlah pegawai2 dagang yang berkhidmat di-Malaya, Sarawak dan Sabah ada-lah saperti berikut: (a) Malaya— Bilangan 31 (i) Pegawai Tetap (ii) Pegawai Konterek 128 ... (b) Sarawak— (i) Pegawai Tetap ... 113 (ii) Pegawai Konterek 206 (c) Sabah— (i) Pegawai Tetap ... (ii) Pegawai Konterek 98 145 laporan Mengikut Jawatan-kuasa Antara Kerajaan, 1962, Pegawai2 Tetap di-Negeri Sabah dan Sarawak ada-lah di-beri sa-hingga kapada suatu masa dan jaminan masa itu ada-lah saperti berikut: jaminan bekerja (a) Pegawai2 Pentadbiran—4 tahun daripada Hari Malaysia.
(b) Pegawai Technical dan Profes sional—6 hingga 8 tahun dari pada Hari Malaysia.

Sunggoh pun demikian ada seramai 20 orang pegawai perubatan yang ber tetap khidmat dalam perkhidmatan Pejabat Perubatan Sabah telah di-benar bekerja sa-hingga mereka bersara atau pada bila2 masa pun mereka minta berhenti.

Berkenaan dengan pegawai2 Konterek pula biasa-nya perkhidmatan mereka ia-lah selama 24 hingga 30 bulan.

Report of the Athi Nahappan Committee on the Rent Control Ordinance 180.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Prime Minister to state whether the nine-man Committee under the Chair manship of Senator Athi Nahappan to consider whether the Rent Control Ordinance should be revoked or not has completed its work, if so, why the Committee has taken such a long time to complete its work, the reason for the delay in making it public.

The Prime Minister: The nine-man Committee has not yet completed its work.
It is not true to say that the Committee has taken such a long time to complete its work considering that the Committee began its work only in 2149 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2150 August 1964, has held 17 meetings including a Conference with State Secretaries and representatives of Town Councils and Town Boards, went through answers to questionnaires from State Governments, Municipalities, Town Councils and Town Boards and Volumes of memoranda and written views from numerous organisations and individuals.
The Committee also had through the exacting relevant thoroughly.

Being a controversial subject the Com mittee has had to deal with diverse views and it only stands to reason that the Committee had to spent some con siderable time in its deliberations.

The Committee has however completed the draft report with recommendations and this should be finalised within the next fews days for submission to the Hon'ble Minister for Local Government and Housing.
legislation very task of going Employment of Malayanized Expatriates 181.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Prime Minister to state if it is the policy of the Government : (a) not to permit any Malayanized Expatriate to work in Malaysia in any form and in any capacity after his retirement; (b) that no retired officer is allowed to work anywhere in Malaysia while he is still on leave prior to retirement.
to in there rule: to for gain The Prime Minister: (a) It is the policy of the Govern to allow expatriate ment not officers who have been Malaya- nised under the 10th Schedule of take up Agreement, 1956 this employment are country.

However exceptions for the example in the case of an officer who possesses specialist qualifi cations or experience, and where qualified Malaysian suitably officers are not available, such officer may employed.
Furthermore, if an expatriate officer who has retired from the public service with compensa tion but who has acquired has Federal Citizenship be or married a Federal Citizen, he is allowed to be gainfully em ployed, but not until he has applied in writing for permission to do so and his application has been approved by the Govern ment; (b) Yes, except in respect of officers who have obtained prior appro val from the Government.

Mr Ferguson 182.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Prime Minister whether he is aware that Mr Ferguson, the former Chief Planning and Development Officer of the Ministry of National and Rural Development was Malayanized on 31st July, 1963, and that he started on his more than a year's accumulated leave on 1st August, 1965, but that in spite of his retirement and leave he was allowed by the Government to work as a "Colombo Plan Adviser" in the if so, to state same Ministry, and whether his continued employment does not violate both the principles enunciated in the preceding question.
Also whether he is aware that both the M.C.S.

Association and S.A.G.O.A.

have lodged strong protests against the violation of these principles.

The Prime Minister: Government is aware of Mr Ferguson's retirement and re-employment under the auspices of the Colombo Plan but this was with Government's approval.

His re-employ ment therefore is in conformity with above.
The stated the principles Malayan Civil Service Association has submitted a resolution against the re employment of expatriate officers who have been Malayanised.

However, in the case of Mr Ferguson, he is not filling a cadre post and therefore does not jeopardise the promotion prospects of local officers.

Division IV Officers and I.M.G.

Employees 183.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Prime Minister to state the reason why the offer of $10 a month or five per cent increase was made only to about 20,000 Division IV officers and that this offer had not been made the 50,000 workers in the I.M.G.

group of workers to 2151 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2152 the Government will and whether extend this offer to the I.M.G.

group of workers as early as possible so as to forestall any further industrial unrest in this country.
The Prime Minister: The majority of the Division IV officers have had no general revision of salaries since 1956.

The claim submitted by the Staff Side of the National Whitley Council for the revision of the salary scales of the Division IV staff was received after 31st December, 1962, and there fore it cannot be considered at this juncture.
However in order to alleviate the hardship experienced by these officers the Government has agreed to grant an interim salary increase by way of special allowance at the rate of 5% of basic salary subject to a mini mum of $10 per mensem the Division IV officers with effect from 1st January, 1965, pending the review of their salary scales by the Salaries Commission.

This offer had not been made to the I.M.G.


employees because they have had two increases in their salaries since 1956: once in 1960 whereby lower paid categories were given a slight increase in their wages, and the second occasion was in 1963 when all of them were converted from the daily rates to the monthly rates of pay.

the to Supplementary Information to the I.M.G.

was 1.
was 1.

Prior to 1956, both the daily-rated employees (as then known) and the Division IV staff were paid on me basis of 26 times the same daily rates of pay.

salary 2.

As a two the result of increases made subsequently the I.M.G.

employees in 1960 and 1963, the salaries of the I.M.G.

employees were generally higher than that of the Division IV staff by an average of $5 p.m. 3.

To restore parity between the salary structures of the I.M.G.
employees and the Division IV staff, Government has offered an interim increase of $5 p.m. to the I.M.G.

employees, to be made effective from 1st January, 1965.

The offer has been rejected by the Staff Side who have requested for an increase of $27.

This request will be considered by the Government.

Prestige Projects the 184.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Prime Minister to state whether, in view of the financial stringency prevailing in this country, all prestige projects, e.g., Bank Negara buildings in Kuala Lum the Ministry of pur, Penang and External Affairs building, will be shelved for the time being.

The Prime Minister: For the time being it is not foreseen that any pres tige project will be included in the next Development Plan period.
It should be mentioned that the Bank Negara build ings in Kuala Lumpur and Penang are not Government buildings, though the former is being designed by the P.W.D.

The Ministry of External Affairs build ing is almost completed.

Proscription of Branches of Political Parties 185.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Prime Minister to state whether the Chief Minister of Sarawak has any power to proscribe the branches of any the political party answer is in the negative, whether he is aware that the said Chief Minister has banned several branches of the SUPP, and is thereby usurping the powers of the Minister of Home Affairs.

in Sarawak.
in Sarawak.

If The Prime Minister: The Chief Minister of Sarawak has no power to proscribe the branches of any political party in Sarawak and I am not aware that he has done so.

The power to proscribe the branch of any society in Sarawak is conferred on the Local Federal Authority who is the Federal Secretary, Sarawak, by virtue of Regu lation 9 (a) of the Preservation of Public Security Regulations, 1963.

Salary Revision of Interpreters and Translators 186.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Prime Minister if he is aware that the President of the Union of Interpreters and Translators at its annual general meeting held recently stated that inter preters and translators are "the most frustrated and unfortunate" workers in 2153 10 NOVEMBER 1965 2154 The Prime Minister: The women the Statistics in Machine Operators Department stage a to threatened demonstration because of a slight delay in the implementation of the Service their salaries.
The Circular revising Circular was received by the Depart ment on 14th August, 1965, and the Department had to take some time to work out the conversions, to calculate the arrears payable, and to prepare reports payment vouchers.

Payment was completed by 18th October, 1965.

There was no reason really for the threat.

change and of Stenographers and Dispensers 188.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Prime Minister to state the reason why Stenographers and Dispensers are not included in the latest list of 12 cate gories of civil servants whose salaries are to be revised in the recommenda the Review Committee on tion of Salaries and whether the Government will reconsider this decision.
The Prime Minister: The Review Committee was appointed to review the Special the recommendations of Negotiating Team which were not acceptable to the Staff Side.

The recom the Team did not mendations of include the Dispensers and the Stenographers as these claims were not negotiated by the Team with the Staff Side.

those on claims from These claims are being referred to the Special Commission on Salaries.
that service, ignored, and their the Government claims for a revision of salary, sub mitted to the Government in 1957 and if so, 1959 had been whether he is waiting for the said union to take industrial action before he helps their claims.

If not, what steps he has taken to help the said union to settle their claims.
the union to settle The Prime Minister: The claims for salary revision submitted by the Union of Interpreters and Translators in 1957 and in 1959 were considered and rejected by Government as there was no case for revision.

The Union was notified of rejections on 29th November, 1957 and 12th January, 1960 respectively.

The claims are there fore no longer outstanding.


the As the Hon'ble Member is aware Government has appointed a Special Commission on Salaries to review the salaries of the entire public service.

The salaries of Interpreters and Trans lators will be included in the review.

Statistics Department in the 187.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Prime Minister to state the reason for the threat by 100 women employees in the Statistics Department to demon strate front of Federal House, Treasury and their own Department and whether it is usual for Govern ment to wait for such flexing of muscles by workers before it wakes up and makes last minute efforts to settle the just grievances of the workers.

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