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Volume III Tuesday No.
5 25th April, 1961 PA R L I AMEN TA RY D E B AT ES DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) OFFICIAL REPORT CONTENTS ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 339] BILLS: The Corrosive and Explosive Substances and Offensive Weapons (Amendment) Bill [Col. 441] The Loan (International Tin Buffer Stock) Bill [Col. 457] The Loan (Local) Bill [Col. 4621 The Local Government Elections (Amendment) Bill [Col. 464] The Life Assurance Companies (Amendment) Bill [Col. 471] MOTIONS: [Col. 4801 Leave of Absence of Members [Col. 474] Report of Standing Orders Committee (Paper No.
DR. 1 of 1961) The Development Estimates , 1961 [Col. 485] DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG , PEMANGKU PENCHETAK KERAJAAN PERSEKUTUAN TANAH MELAYU 1962 FEDERATION OF MALAYA DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) O fficial Report Third Session of the First Dewan Ra`ayat Tuesday, 25th April, 1961 The House met at Ten o'clock a.m.
PRESENT : The Honourable Mr. Speaker, DATO ' HAJI MOHAMED NOAH BIN OMAR, S.P.M.J., D.P.M.B., P.I.S., J.P. the Prime Minister and Minister of External Affairs, Y.T.M.

TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL -HAJ, K.O.M.

(Kuala Kedah).

the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence and Minister of Rural Development, TUN ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N.

(Pekan).

the Minister of Internal Security, DATO' DR. ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N.

(JOhore Timor).
(JOhore Timor).

„ the Minister of Finance , ENCHE' TAN SIEW SIN, J.P. (Malacca Tengah).

the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, DATO' V. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N.

(Sungei Siput).

the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, ENCHE' ABDUL Aziz BIN ISHAK (Kuala Langat).

„ the Minister of Transport , ENCHE' SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR (Pontian Utara).

the Minister of Health and Social Welfare, DATO' ONG YOKE LIN, P.M.N.

(Ulu Selangor).
(Ulu Selangor).

the Minister of Commerce and Industry, ENCHE' MOHAMED KHIR BIN JOHARI (Kedah Tengah).

„ the Minister of Labour, ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN the Assistant Minister of Education, ENCHE' ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT ALI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Kuala Pilah).

(Batang Padang).

the Assistant Minister of Rural Development, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara).

the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry, ENCHE' CHEAH THEAM SWEE (Bukit Bintang).
the Assistant Minister of Labour, ENCHE' V. MANICKA- VASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K.

(Klang).

„ the Assistant Minister of the Interior, ENCHE' MOHAMED ISMAIL BIN MOHAMED YUSOF (Jerai).

435 25 APRIL 1961 436 The Honourable ENCHE' ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N.

(Malacca Utara).

„ ENCHE' ABDUL RAUF BIN A. RAHMAN (Krian Laut).

„ ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN OSMAN (Sungei Patani).

„ TURN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI ABDUL RAOF (Kuala „ TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MoHD.

SALLEH, A.M.N., Kangsar).

P.I.s.

(Segamat Utara).


„ TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kota Bharu Hilir).

„ ENCHE' AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N.

(Muar Utara).

„ ENCHE' AHMAD BOESTAMAM (Setapak).

„ ENCHE' AHMAD BIN MOHAMED SHAH, S.M.J.

(Johore Bharu Barat).

Barat).

Terap).

„ TURN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAAID (Seberang Utara).

„ ENCHE' AHMAD BIN HAJI YUSOF, P.J.K.

(Krian Darat).

„ TURN HAJI AZAHARI BIN HAJI IBRAHIM (Kubang Pasu „ ENCHE' AzIz BIN ISHAK (Muir Dalam).

„ DR. BURHANUDDIN BIN MOHD.

NOOR (Besot).


„ ENCHE' CHAN SINNG SUN (Bentong).

„ ENCHE' CHAN YOON ONN (Kampar).

ENCHE' V. DAVID (Bungsar).

„ DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N.

(Jitra-Padang „ ENCHE' HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N.

(Kapar).

„ ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD.

YUNUS, A.M.N.

(Kulim Utara).

„ ENCHE' HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Baling).

ENCHE' HARUN BIN PILUS (Trengganu Tengah).

„ TUAN HAJI HASAN ADLI BIN HAJI ARSHAD (Kuala Treng- ganu Utara).

TUAN HAJI HASSAN BIN HAJI AHMAD (Tumpat).


„ ENCHE' HASSAN BIN MANSOR (Malacca Selatan).

„ ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN TO' MUDA HASSAN (Raub).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN MOHD.

NOORDIN, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Pant).

„ TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN (Kota Bharu Hulu).

„ ENCHE' IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah).

ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan).

„ ENCHE' KANG KOOK SENG (Batu Pahat).

ENCHE' K. KARAM SINGH (Damansara).

„ CHE' KHADIJAH BINTI MOHD.

SIDEK (Dungun).


„ ENCHE' LEE SAN CHOON (Kluang Utara).

„ ENCHE' LEE SIOK YEW (Sepang).

ENCHE' LIM Joo KONG (Alor Star).

„ DR. LIM SWEE AUN, J.P .

(Larut Selatan).

„ ENCHE' Liu YOONG PENG (Rawang).

„ ENCHE' MOHAMED ABBAS BIN AHMAD (Hilir Perak).

437 25 APRIL 1961 438 The Honourable ENCHE' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA ( Pasir Puteh).

„ ENCHE' MOHAMED DAHARI BIN HMI MOHD.

ALI (Kuala Selangor).

ENCHE' MOHAMED NOR BIN MOHD.

DAHAN (Ulu Perak).


DATO' MOHAMED HANIFAH BIN HAJI ABDUL GHANI, P.J.K.

(Pasir Mas Hulu).

„ ENCHE' MOHAMED SULONG BIN MOHD.

ALT, J.M.N.

(Lipis).

„ ENCHE' MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N.

(Temerloh).

„ TURN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan).

„ NIK MAN BIN NIK MOHAMED (Pasir Mas Hilir).

ENCHE' NG ANN TECK (Batu).

„ DATO' ONN BIN JA`AFAR, D.K., D.P.M.J.

(Kuala Trengganu ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Tanah Merah).

„ ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Perlis Utara).


„ TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD.

SAID ( Rembau- „ ENCHE' SEAH TENG NGIAB (Muar Pantai).

„ TUAN SYED ESA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S .M.J., P.I.S.

(Bahl Selatan).

Tampin).

Pahat Dalam).

Bernam).

TUAN SYED HASHIM BIN SYED AJAM, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Sabak „ ENCHE' TAN CHONG BEE, J. P. (Bagan).

„ ENCHE' TAN PHOCK KIN (Tanjong).

„ ENCHE' TAN TYE CHEK (Kulim-Bandar Bahru).

„ DATO' TEOH CHZE CHONG, D.P.M.J., J.P. (Segamat Selatan).
ENCHE' V. VEERAPPEN (Seberang Selatan).

WAN MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI AL!

(Kelantan Hilir).

WAN SULAIMAN BIN WAN TAM, P.J.K.

(Kota Star Selatan).

„ WAN YAHYA BIN HAJI WAN MOHAMED (Kemaman).

„ ENCHE' YAHYA BIN HAJI AHMAD (Bagan Datoh).

ENCHE' YEOH TAT BENG (Bruns).

„ ENCHE' YONG WOO MING (Sitiawan).

„ PUAN HAJJAH ZAIN BINTI SULAIMAN, J.M.N., P.I.S.

(Pontian Selatan).

„ TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD.

TAIB (Langat).

ENCHE' ZULKIFLEE BIN MUHAMMAD (Bachok).


ABSENT : The Honourable the Minister of the Interior , DATO' SULAIMAN BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N.

(Muar Selatan).

„ the Minister of Education , ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB (Kuanta [l).

the Assistant Minister of Information and Broadcasting, TURN SYED JA`AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, J.M.N.

(Johore Tenggara).

„ ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN ( Kluang Selatan).

„ ENCHE' CHAN SWEE HO (Ulu Kinta).


439 25 APRIL 1961 440 The Honourable ENCHE' CHIN SEE YIN (Seremban Timor).

ENCHE' GEH CHONG KEAT (Penang Utara).

ENCHE' KHONG KOK YAT (Batu Gajah).

ENCHE' LEE SECK FUN (Tanjong Malim).

ENCHE' LIM KEAN SIEw (Dato Kramat).

ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson).

ENCHE' MOHAMED BIN UJANG (Jelebu-Jempol).

ENCHE' QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Barat).

ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh).

ENCHE' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM (Menglembu).

ENCHE' TAJUDIN BIN ALI, P.J.K.


(Larut Utara).

ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Malacca).

TENGKU INDRA PETRA IBNI SULTAN IBRAHIM, J.M.N.

(Ulu Kelantan).

IN ATTENDANCE : The Honourable the Minister of Justice , TUN LEONG YEW KOH, S.M.N.

PRAYERS (Mr. Speaker in the Chair) ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS Gift of Wickham Trolleys to South Vietnam 1.
Enche' V. David asks the Minister of External Affairs to confirm whether thirty Wickham Trolleys (Pilot Trains) were sent to South Vietnam, and if so, to state the reason for Government's action.

The Prime Minister : It is confirmed that the Federation Government sent thirty Wickham Trolleys to South Vietnam.
The reason for sending this gift has been elaborated to a great extent in the course of last night's debate and I do not know whether the Honourable Member wants me to enlighten any more on this subject.

In fact the Member for Setapak has been told quite a lot about this.

Enche' V. David : I have been informed that the 1954 Geneva Agree- ment did not permit any nation to support South Vietnam by aid of arms.

Is that correct?

The Prune Minister : That is quite correct, Sir.


In fact the Commission has not made any protest to the Fede- ration Government for the aid that the Federation Government has sent to South Vietnam.

For that reason, it can be assumed that what we have done has not been in contravention of the terms of the Geneva Agreement.

Boycott of South African Goods 2.


Enche' V. David asks the Minister of External Affairs whether the boycott on South African goods has been successful and to what extent it has affected the South African Government.

The Prime Minister : Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is difficult to assess the effects of the Federation's boycott on South African goods.

At the same time, it is true to say that the Federation Govern- ment is not the only Government that has applied sanctions against South Africa.
However, I can assume from the internal reaction in that country that it is having a telling effect on the South African Government.

In fact, Col. R. Johns, the Director of South African Exporters Association, is re- ported to have said that the boycott of South African goods was by far the most serious blow that South Africa has hitherto suffered from trade boy- cotts.
Apart from this, there are also reports relating to the rapid decline of gold reserves in South Africa and the flight of capital from that country.
The Federation's policy on this subject cannot be measured in the terms put forward by the questioner, but it must be viewed in the long-term perspective 441 25 APRIL 1961 442 of its desire to impress upon the Act to amend the Corrosive and South African Government that the Explosive Substances and Offensive immorality, brutality and danger of Weapons Ordinance, 1958" be read a their perverted policy of apartheid is abhorred by most of the right thinking countries.
In this connection, the policy of boycotting goods of South African origin is only one aspect of the political and diplomatic moves of the Federation Government.

At the United Nations, at meetings of the Commonwealth, and through other channels we try to obtain our objective.
Enche' V. David : Would the Prime Minister elaborate to what extent the Federation Government has acted to make this boycott effective in this country, and what further action he intends to take to make it more effec- tive as far as Malaya is concerned?
The Prime Minister : Well, Sir, as far as Malaya is concerned, the Honour- able Member must have known that we were the first country to have taken action against South Africa, and when we took such action it was our inten- tion that whatever action is taken must have some effect on South Africa.
We were the first country to apply economic sanction too on South Africa and in doing so we have asked all the other countries to follow suit, and as far as we know the boycott by the Federation Government has been strictly observed.

Even recently when I went to the United Kingdom I tried to find out if there are other means of defeating our purpose through the channel of the U.K.

I am satisfied that no support has been given to South Africa by the businessmen of the U.K.
So, from that I can assume that the action we have taken have been more or less effective.

BILLS THE CORROSIVE AND EXPLO- SIVE SUBSTANCES AND OFFEN- SIVE WEAPONS (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading second time.

This is a short Bill to amend the principal Ordinance which came into force on 1st January, .1959, and which, I am glad to say, has proved effective in curbing offences relating to the use of offensive weapons and acid throwing.
A total of 1,671 persons, including 123 juveniles had been arrested and charged in Court under the Ordinance.

775 were sentenced to imprisonment; some were fined or bound over and the juveniles were sent to Approved Schools for Juveniles such as the Gurney School.

The majority of the persons dealt with were in fact young men with secret society affiliations.
In respect, of the cases involving acid throwing, the deterrent effect of the Ordinance is illustrated by the fact that in 1959 there were 47 police reports of acid throwing whilst in 1960 there were 23 reports.

Experience has shown, however, that the effectiveness of the Ordinance could be further increased.

In accordance with section 6 of the present Ordinance, the carrying or possession of offensive weapons is illegal only if such weapons were carried in a public place.
There are, however, certain weapons such as chain whips, knuckle-dusters and certain types of knives, the mere posses- sion of which, even in a place other than a public place, creates a reason- able presumption that they are to be used for offensive purposes.

Honour- able Members, I am sure, have had the opportunity to inspect for themselves some examples of these types of wea- pons which have been placed in the Library at this House.
This Bill seeks to make it an offence to possess wea- pons of this type and which are defined in the proposed Second Schedule.

There are two amendments, notice of which has been given, which I propose to move at the Committee stage.

Sir, I beg to move.

The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan Slew Sin) : Sir, I beg to second the The Minister of Internal Security (Dato' Dr. Ismail bin Dato' Haji Abdul Rahman) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "An motion.
443 25 APRIL 1961 444 Enche' V. David (Bungsar) : Mr. Wan Mustapha bin Haji Ali Speaker, Sir, I do not intend to oppose (Kelantan Hilir): Mr. Speaker, Sir, this Bill, but at the same time I like I rise not to oppose this Bill.

The to make certain observations which I feel will be borne in mind when the Mover brings this Bill to the Committee stage.

Sir, certain number of offensive weapons have been exhibited in the Library for the inspection of Members.
However, I feel that there is a large number of offensive weapons which have not been included among those exhibited.

For instance, Sir, during the recent Seremban elections, where I I happened to be, the Police discovered certain number of iron rods in a jeep operated by the M.C.A.

Youth Section, but after the discovery of these wea- pons, no arrest was made and only the weapons were confiscated.

Sir, it is no point of making laws when those laws are not effectively implemented.
There are also other weapons, Sir, which have been used usually by the M.C.A.

Youth Section in elections; one of those are bottles filled with sand and this has happened in my own constituency and the throwing of those bottles in the midst of a crowd might hurt a large number of persons.

This kind of bottles were used by members of the M.C.A.

Youth Section in the State election in Petaling Jaya, but fortunately the Police were informed of this who prevented an incident.
However, no enquiry was instituted, no action was taken, to find out how these weapons were brought to that area and who were responsible for bringing those weapons.
Sir, as I said, the Honourable Mover should include more items which are considered to be offensive weapons, and the Police should be directed to probe into cases of reports where such weapons were possessed by any person, and they should also ascertain who were responsible in bringing those wea- pons, how did they bring and for what purpose were they brought.

To my sur- prise, Sir, in the recent Seremban elections, no action was taken nor any arrest made even though those weapons were found in a jeep.
Therefore, I request that the Honourable Minister concerned should bear in mind the consequences of the use of these wea- pons which are not effectively looked upon by our Police in this country.
reason why I do not oppose this Bill is that I consider that it is high time that the present Corrosive and Explo- sive Substances and Offensive Weapons Ordinance, 1958, be amended, because under the present law, section 3, it is provided that any person who carried or has in his possession or under his control any corrosive or explosive substances could on conviction be sentenced to imprisonment up to three years, and to whipping.

I mean that the present law is quite justified.


In fact, that law was drafted for the purpose of preserving or safeguarding persons against secret society thugs and gangsters.
Section 6 of the Ordi- nance before being amended reads : "Any person who in any public road or place carries or has in his possession or under his control any offensive weapon otherwise than with lawful authority or for a lawful purpose shall be guilty of an offence and on conviction be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, and to whipping."
Sir, under that section a man is liable on conviction to imprisonment up to two years and to whipping, and an offensive weapon is interpreted under section 2 of the principal Ordinance to include any instrument which if used as a weapon of offence is likely to cause hurt.

During my experience as a barrister, I most regretfully find that when a man has been charged for carrying merely a knife like pisau jam, kris, or a small blade, the Police has inter- preted those weapons as offensive weapons.
It has been probably mis- interpreted in Court by some Magis- trates too in that if a man merely carries a knife about 3" long, then he could be convicted and there are cases where a very, very good citizen has been convicted just by merely posses- sing a knife.

Under section 6, once a man has been convicted, he is liable to be imprisoned for two years.
That is mandatory, and I cannot understand how the Honourable Mover stated that 1,671 persons had been arrested and that 775 had been sent to prison and that some had been fined.

Under 445 25 APRIL 1961 446 the present law no person can be fined, Mover's speech was wrong in saying if he is convicted he must be sent to that 775 had been fined or sent to prison or must be given a whipping.

prison, because the present law is So, I consider it is high time that this mandatory.
present law should be amended because under Clause 3 of the present Bill, a new section is inserted after section 6 which gives the Court or the Magistrate an option either to send the accused person to the prison or to levy a fine, because in the Schedule of weapons, which is on the second page of this Bill, it is clearly defined what are offensive weapons, which include any knife, sometimes known as flick- knife, gravity knife, knuckleduster, chain whip, a whip' manufactured from bicycle or motorcycle chains which we have seen in the Library, any blade or any instrument attached to or forming part of a bicycle pump in other words, it does not mean that when a person carries a blade, he can be liable under this amendment : if a blade is attached to a bicycle pump, then there is intention on the part of the person carrying it and he must be a criminal, otherwise he will not carry such a thing.
Clause 3 of this Bill says : "The following new section is inserted in the principal Ordinance immediately after section 6 thereof : 6A.

(1) Any person who, otherwise than for a lawful purposes-- So I strongly recommend this Bill except that according to this Bill nothing has been touched under Sec- tion 3, regarding corrosive substances, and probably the Honourable Mover might make it clear whether Clause 3 in this Bill includes all corrosive substances.
Therefore, I would end my speech by saying that this is a very good Bill, as it is a good amendment, and I strongly recommend it and we on the Opposition Bench support it.

Enche' Liu Yoong Peng (Rawang) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, .I agree that it is high time some stringent measure should be drawn up against gangsters for using offensive weapons, because gangsterism is spreading nowadays and it will spread to local elections.

For example, when local elections are run, we know there is a jeep No.

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204 involved and this jeep was detained by the Police in Seremban.

This jeep has been seen quite often in operation in Jinjang, in Jenderam and on other occasions; and it has been found that this jeep carries iron bars and these iron bars were meant to be used against Socialist Front members.

(Laughter).

Certainly, measures should be taken against the use of (a) carries or has in his possession or such weapons.
under his control ; or (b) manufactures, sells or hires or offers for sale or hire ; or (c) lends or gives to any other person, any scheduled weapon shall be guilty of an offence and shall on conviction be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, or to a fine not exceeding two thousand dollars ..." Sir, I notice in this Bill there is mention of flick-knife, gravity knife, bicycle chain, knuckleduster, bicycle pump, metal pipe, stick or similar object.
May be, we can add iron bar as well to the list of offensive weapons.

In other{ words, this, is a good law, because it gives the Magistrates some These long iron bars which had been used quite often of late are discretion in passing sentence.
After known to have been used by certain all, human beings can do something members who belong to the M.C.A., wrong and if a good citizen inadver- or at any rate they are working for the tently carries an offensive weapon and Party, helping the Party; and the if he is brought to Court, then the occupants of Jeep BD.

204, in fact, Magistrate should inflict a fine in this are known to be men of a person no case, which he is quite empowered to other than the Honourable Member do.
Under the present law he cannot : for Sepang.

(Laughter).

Therefore, I once a man is convicted, he is forced think that gangsterism as such is wide- by law to send that man to prison and spread and this Bill is a good sign if he gives a fine then that is wrong.

I provided it does act against gang- would consider the Honourable sterism whether it be under the 447 25 APRIL 1961 448 cover of any political organisation or otherwise.

Thank you.
Thank you.

The Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry (Enche' Cheah Theam Swee) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, from the debate on this Bill, it is now apparent that Opposition Members have the bad habit of trying to throw wild allegations against the Malayan Chinese Associa- tion at every opportune moment.

Sir, for the last three days, we have heard wild and uncontrolled outbursts of allegations, whether correct or not and I must say not correct against the Malayan Chinese Association and the M.C.A.
Youth Organisation.

Sir, this Bill extends further the original Ordinance, and from the speeches of the Opposition Members we have found that they have missed the target again they have missed the target entirely.

They have used this moment again to make vilifica- tions, for example, in the case of the jeep mentioned, saying that the Police failed to carry out their duties in making arrests and taking action.
Sir, we believe that the Police under the very able Minister of Internal Security are performing all their functions loyally and faithfully in the administration of peace and justice in this country; and to accuse that the Police had failed in their duty in arresting the people of this jeep, I can say, is a great slander on the Police there can be no greater slander.

Sir, it is not easy in a Bill of this nature to define a simple iron rod as an offensive weapon.
Even a pencil for that matter can be used as an offensive weapon, if one makes use of it to prick somebody.

Further, it has been noticed also that in the past members of the Socialist Front were in the habit of using changkols, and in that context a changkol becomes an offensive wea- pon; but can you define the changkol in this Bill as an offensive weapon when it is an agricultural instrument?

There are cases too where sugarcane has been used !
Sir, it is up to the Police on whom we have every faith to carry out their duties loyally in the administration of peace and justice in this country.
Enche' Zulkidee bin Muhammad (Bachok) : Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di- dalam mengalu2kan Rang Undang2 ini saya tidak-lah hendak berchakap ba- nyak, tetapi oleh kerana negeri kita ini nampak-nya sedang menghadapi be- berapa keadaan yang timbul dalam kesamsengan, maka saya rasa satu dari- pada perkara menyuborkan pelak- sanaan Undang2 ini is-lah bahawa Keraj aan melebarkan penerangan ka- pada orang kampong dan orang yang di-fikirkan akan berlaku demikian supaya menjauhkan diri daripada membawa alat yang saperti itu.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, alat yang meletup atau pun merbahayakan hidup manusia bukan sahaja di-dapati dalam negeri ini tetapi ada juga alat2 itu di-bawa daripada sempadan negeri kita mi.

Saya berharap Menteri yang ber- kenaan memerhatikan dengan halus supaya senjata yang saperti itu tidak di-bawa dari negeri lain.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kejadian sarn- seng bukan-lah terbatas kapada kalangan pilehan raya dan politik saperti yang di-gambarkan oleh be- berapa pehak di-sini, tetapi pada pendapat saya ada-lah meliputi ka- seluroh masharakat, dan negeri yang bersempadan, umpama-nya, negeri Siam yang orang boleh datang dari- pada sana ka-mari atau sa-saorang itu datang melakukan kejahatan di-sini kemudian lari ka-sana.
Maka pem- bawaan alat2 itu saya nampak sedang menjadi2, dan oleh kerana Menteri Yang Berhormat menyebutkan bahawa is ber`azam hendak membasmi dan menchegah kesamsengan, saya ber- harap supaya di-beri penerangan yang lebeh banyak kapada negeri2 yang bersempadan oleh pehak Pulis kapada bahaya-nya alat yang saperti itu di- gunakan.

Dengan yang demikian ra`ayat akan mengetahul betapa mer- bahaya membawa alat yang menyalahi undang2.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, menangkap sa-saorang ada-lah kerj a Keraj aan, tetapi mendidek-nya juga ada-lah kerja Keraj aan.

Maka biar-lah kedua2 ini berjalan dengan baik supaya dalam Tanah Melayu ini tidak wujud satu masharakat yang pergi kapada ke- 449 25 APRIL 1951 450 samsengan dalam menyelesaikan kesu- litan mereka.
Enrhe' Tan Siew Sin: Mr. Speaker, Sir, to those of us on the Government Benches, it is most refreshing to see that Honourable Members of the Socialist Front are on this occasion at least ranged on the side of the forces of law and order.

We can only hope that this very welcome blending of forces will continue in other fields.
I am also sure that everyone in this House will agree with the Honourable Member for Bungsar that the Police in applying the provisions of this Ordi- nance should apply them impartially and without regard to the status and the political complexion of the offender in question.
It is perhaps rather odd to my simple way of thinking that Honourable Members of the Socialist Front should complain when in point of fact, according to the best of my knowledge and belief, very few, if any, members of the Socialist Front have been injured as a result of acts of gangsterism.

So far, we know that the only casualties hitherto have been members of the M.C.A.

Youth Section.
Youth Section.

I believe I am correct in saying that at the last encounter -I will not say with whom very nearly a score of mem- bers of the M.C.A.

Youth Section suffered very serious injuries, and a good proportion of, them had to be treated in hospital.

One must assume and I think this is a fair assumption that those injuries were not self-inflicted (Laughter); I think it is also fair to assume that those injuries were not inflicted by members of one's own party.
One is, therefore, driven to the inevitable but regrettable conclusion that those injuries were inflicted by one's opponents, and I believe that in the encounter of which we have heard so much in the last few days, namely, the one in Jinjang, the main opponents of the Alliance were the Socialist Front.

(Applause).
(Applause).

It is therefore sur- prising, to say the least, that those who have suffered the most as a result of acts of hooliganism and gangsterism should not only be the last to complain but should be attacked for having taken the offensive.

Perhaps that is not very surprising, because the Socialist Front obviously believe in the maxim that attack is the best defence ; and it is perhaps not coincidence that the Front was trying to hide their guilt behind a facade of victimisation and righteousness.
Enrhe' Othman bin Abdullah (Tanah Merah) : Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun berchakap berkenaan dengan kesalahan pads, orange yang mem- punyai senjata yang merbahaya.
Bagi saya dan rakan2 saya yang telah berchakap terlebeh dahulu mengalu2- kan pindaan yang saperti ini, kerana kita yakin dan perchaya bahawa dengan terhad-nya orang yang meng- gunakan dan membawa senjata yang amat merbahaya itu dapat-lah me- nyelamatkan dan dapat-lah menjaga keselamatan orang lain daripada pekerj aan yang mungkin di-timbulkan daripada-nya.
Tetapi, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, pada pendapat saya ada satu perkara yang patut di-ambil perhatian oleh Menteri yang berkenaan is-itu kerjasama di-antara pehak pulis dengan orang ramai dalam melaksanakan dan menchapai chita2 penyerahan dan pengembalian senjata yang merbahaya saperti ini hendak-lah di-adakan.

Kalau dalam mengamalkan Bahasa Kebangsaan, kita telah mengadakan Minggu Bahasa dan Bulan Bahasa Kebangsaan supaya Bahasa Kebang- saan itu dapat di-amalkan.
Maka pada pendapat saya bagi menjayakan maksud dan tujuan kerjasama di- antara pulis dengan orang ramai patut-lah juga di-adakan "minggu atau bulan kerjasama" supaya orang ramai dapat memahami dengan sunggoh-nya akan senj ata2 yang boleh merbahayakan diri-nya dan boleti mer- bahayakan orang lain serta membawa diri-nya sendiri ka-Mahkamah dan boleh di-hukum.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, menurut `adat orang Melayu di-kampong2 sa-bagai- mana yang kita tahu bahawa mereka itu kalau berjalan di-waktu malam, ter- utama sa-kali kalau kampong itu j auh dan lengang serta berhutan rimba, maka sa-lama-nya mereka itu mem- bawa senjata yang boleh memper- tahankan diri-nya daripada sa-barang kejahatan orang lain kapada diri-nya atau daripada kejahatan binatang buas.
451 25 APRIL 1961 452 Tetapi tidak semua perkara ini boleh berlaku demikian, dan kita tidak dapat membezakan mana-kah di-antara orang yang membawa senj ata itu kerana mempertahankan diri-nya dan mana- kah pula orange yang membawa senj ata kerana hendak menchederakan orang lain.

Terutama sa-kali, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, di-kawasan sempadan saperti yang di-sebutkan oleh sahabat saya tadi.
Kawasan sempadan ini, mithal- nya, kawasan Tanah Merah hanya beberapa ela sahaja dengan kawasan Siam, yang mana dengan mudah-nya orang melakukan jinayah di-Siam boleh lari masok ka-Tanah Melayu dan orang yang melakukan kesalahan dalam Tanah Melayu bagitu mudah lari ka-Siam.
Pada pendapat saya patut-lah Kementerian ini mengadakan kerj asama di-antara orange ramai dengan pulis bagi merapatkan per- hubongan dan paling mengerti di- antara kedua pehak: Di-sini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bahawa di-kawasan saya di-Tanah Merah itu satu kawasan yang paling ramai orange-nya di-dalam negeri Kelantan, tetapi kalau kita lihat kes2 pulis yang terj adi di- kawasan itu amat-lah kurang-nya daripada apa yang kita lihat dan yang terjadi di-bandar2.
Walau pun bagitu saya telab mengadakan perundingan dengan Chief Police Officer Kelantan sa-waktu beliau melawat ka-daerah Tanah Merah supaya mengadakan perhubongan yang erat di-antara orang ramai dengan pulis, terutama sa-kali menghilangkan para-sangka orange ra- mai dengan pulis, oleh sebab sa-belum kita merdeka, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, satu kata sa-pakat.

Insha Allah, dari lhb May 7hb May ini akan di-adakan sate; Minggu, Keamanan di-daerah Tanah Merah oleh saya dan C.P.O.
sendiri akan membuat kempen di-kam- pong2 dan mengadakan penerangan dengan sa-luas2-nya dengan kerj asama daripada orange ramai dan pegawai2 Kerajaan serta penghulu2 di-sana mem- berikan penerangan yang sa-luas2-nya akan tanggong-jawab orang ramai terhadap keamanan serta mengharap- kan Minggu Keamanan yang akan di- lancharkan itu orange ramai akan rela menyerahkan senjata2 yang boleh mem- bahayakan kapada orang ramai.
Saya harap Minggu ini akan mendapat hasil yang balk serta menghilangkan para-sangka orange ramai terhadap pulis.
Sa-lain dari itu dalam kawasan saya pernah terj adi satu2 hal yang memerlukan bantuan pulis dengan segera maka terpaksa-lah mereka pergi mengadu kejadian itu di-Tanah Merah, apa lagi di-tempat saya itu tidak ada Talipun bagi pehak pulis, yang ada is-lah Wireless yang di-gunakan pada waktu2 yang tertentu, untok menolong orange pulis di-dalam menj aga keamanan negeri ini dan menj aga keselamatan diri orang ramai dan diri mereka itu sendiri serta menj aga dari- pada kesulitan2 dan perkara2 yang tidak senonoh maka patut-lah Kemen- terian ini mengadakan satu Bulan Keaman an.
Mithal-nya saperti dahulu itu di-adakan Bulan Pulis Sedia Berkhidmat dengan tanda yang ada di- lengan mereka, kalau dapat di-j alan- kan dengan erti kata yang lebeh luas dari orang ramai maka rasa saya kita dapati kalau pulis2 masok ka- senjata2 yang merbahaya itu akan kampong maka pulis itu menj adi dapat di-hindarkan.

momok kapada orange kampong, kalau anak-nya menangis, ibu sianak akan berkata jangan menangis nanti mata2 datang.
Sampai-lah sekarang ini j ika sa-kira-nya ada pulis masok ka- kampong dengan memakai uniform maka orange .

kampong telah shak mesti ada orang yang hendak di- tangkap-nya.

Jadi, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, untok menghilangkan perkara2 itu saya sendiri telah mengadakan temu-ramah dengan C.P.O.

dan Demikian-la1 saya berharap Kemen- terian ini dapat mengadakan ran- changan yang lebeh berkesan lagi dalam kerj asama orang ramai dengan pulis dalam negeri mi.
Enche' Abmad bin Arshad (Muar Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya ada-lah menyokong Bill yang di- hadapan kita ini dalam bidang mem- bahathkan letupan ayer api.

Saya chuma hendak berchakap sadikit O.C.P.D.

di-kawasan ini supaya me- sahaja dalam alat barang letupan.
ngadakan kerjasama di-antara pulls Gemar saya menarek perhatian Ahli dan orang ramai maka terdapat-lah Yang Berhormat Menteri Keselamatan 453 25 APRIL 1961 454 Dalam Negeri bagi membakar letupan weapons to the members of the meriam pada waktu Hari Raya Socialist Front?

Why is that they are dengan di-kenakan sharat2 yang ter- tentu bagi mengawal kemalangan orange yang membakar itu.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bila di-tinj au Hari Raya ada-lah sama ada Hari Raya orang Islam atau orang yang bukan Islam.
Berhubong dengan letupan, meriam itu sudah menj adi satu kebiasaan dengan masharakat kita orang Melayu dan walau pun ada undang2 yang menegah daripada membakar meriam ini maka maseh juga berlaku lagi.

Jadi chara yang saya hendak tujukan kapada mereka yang gemar memainkan letupan meriam itu is-itu boleh di- kenakan beberapa sharat is-itu meriam buloh itu hendak-lah di-simpai dengan kawat dan di-bakar j angant di-kerumun rama.i2 dan j angan berhimpun ramai2 pada mast membakar-nya.
Merayakan Hari Raya dengan tim- bakan meriam itu sangat sukar hendak kita basm.ikan, walau pun pehak pulis telah menjalan tangkapan2, akan tetapi mereka tidak juga berhenti daripada memainkan letupan meriam itu.

Satu langkah yang telah di-ambil bagi menangkap pemain2 meriam itu sa- waktu Hari Raya, ini juga ada-lah mendukachitakan.
Masharakat yang bersukaria hendak menyambut Hari Raya maka anak2 mereka di-tangkap dan ada duit untok berhariraya itu di-gunakan pula untok membayar denda yang di-kenakan kapada anak2 mereka.

Saya harap kapada pehak yang berkenaan bahawa sharat2 bagi pemain2 meriam ini akan dapat di-atasi kerana memain meriam itu ada-lah sudah menjadi sa-olah2 fardhu kifayah kapada orange Melayu.

Sakian-lah Tuan Yang di-Pertua.


Data' Dr. Ismail : Mr. Speaker, Sir, Members of the Alliance have given the Member for Bungsar an example of the political whipping which the Socialist Front always likes to receive in this House.

Now, Sir, as a Minister, and also as a doctor, I am very interested in diagnosing.

Now what is this magic, magnetic attraction that draws the secret societies' offensive the only ones who seem to attract the offensive weapons of these secret societies again?
I am more interested if they would tell me what is the affinity that they have for these secret societies and for these offensive weapons probably he may help me in trying to suppress this gangsterism in this country.

Just to accuse the Alliance does not make me believe that they are angels.

I think that might be enough; I will not try to go any further in reply to the Honourable Member for Bungsar.
As regards the Members for Tanah Merah and Bachok, saya uchapkan berbanyak terima kaseh di-atas shore yang telah di-berikan itu dan saya akan sa-berapa daya upaya menchuba akan menj alankan shore yang telah di- berikan oleh kedua2 Ahli itu.

As regards the Member for Muar Utara, I am very surprised that you are very generous this morning in allowing him to speak on a subject that has nothing to do at all with the Bill in front of the House.
Now, as regards one Honourable Member who tried to query the figures that I have given, I would like to inform him that the example of mine was based on police information and I think, with due respect to him, that I would rather accept the figures given by the police to me without casting any aspersion on him, because the figures given by the police are from their statistics and I am liable to believe them.
Now, Sir, as regards the iron bar I am afraid I will have to come back to the Honourable Member for Bungsar, because, otherwise he would get up and say that I did not answer him as regards the iron bars iron bars are included within the meaning of "offensive weapons" which are defined in the interpretation clause of the Ordinance Clause 2, and the possession of any of these weapons provided for in the Bill would consti- tute and offence.
Coming back to my legal colleague, to whom I was replying just now, he 455 25 APRIL 1961 456 ' said that sometimes people are con- victed by magistrates under this Act for having in possession a pen knife.
If there is a counsel for defence, I think there should be something wrong with the counsel for defence (Laughter); if there is no counsel for defence, I think there will be some mental abberation on the part of those who tried the accused and if the latter be the case, I hope he will give me a specific instance and I will have investigation made into the mental capacity of the person who tried the accused.

Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr. Speaker in the Chair).

Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clause 3 When asked by the Magistrate, Mr. Chew Kok Chooi, if he could find a bailor, Wong said, `I belong to the Mah Cheng (youth section of the M.C.A.).

They will bail me out.'


Wong's identity card was issued in Johore.

He was offered bail of $500 in one surety and the case was postponed to May 11."

Mr. Speaker : How is that relevant to the amendment before the House?

We are now dealing with the amend- ment to Clause 3.

Enche' V. David : Sir, I am just asking the Honourable Mover to amend the Ordinance in such a manner so as to provide enough powers to the Police to act on gangsters who call themselves as election workers during elections.
Mr. Speaker : You don't want to move yourself?

Enche' V. David : I am asking the Honourable Mover himself.

I would like to say that it is no point accusing the Socialist Front when there have been cases with clear proof of M.C.A.

members.

Dato' Dr. Ismail : Sir, I beg to move that Clause 3 be amended to read as follows : Insert after the words "sells or hires or offers" in the new section 6A (1) (b) the words "or exposes".

I would like to add that this amend- ment has already been circulated to stage.
Honourable Members.

Enche' V. David: Mr. Speaker, Sir, the amendment proposed by the Honourable Mover is, to my conten- tion, not enough, and in the course of the general debate earlier, replies have been following very rapidly against the Socialist Front for stating that members of the M.C.A.

Youth Section have been attacking members of the Socialist Front.
I would like to read a statement appearing in the Straits Times for the information of the Honourable Mover so that he will be able to amend this Bill with clear definitions at the various stages of the Committee.

The statement reads as follows : "A Johore youth, Wong Yin Kai, 18 of no fixed abode here, pleaded not guilty in the Magistrate's Court today to a charge of possessing an offensive weapon-a knuckleduster-at the Ipoh railway station on Saturday.
Mr. Speaker : I must rule that outer because that has got nothing to do with the amendment.

Enche' V. David : That is all right, Sir.

I will dwell on that at a later Amendment put, and agreed to.

Clause 3, as amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clause 4 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clause 5 Dato' Dr. Ismail : Sir, I beg to move that paragraph 5 of the Second Schedule be deleted and the following substituted : "5.
Any blade or other instrument attached to or forming part of a bicycle pump, metal- pipe or stick, and concealed therein, which is capable of being used for cutting or stabbing."

Amendment put, and agreed to.

Clause S, as amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported with amendment : read the third time and passed.
457 25 APRIL 1961 458 THE LOAN (INTERNATIONAL TIN BUFFER STOCK) BILL Second Reading Enche' Tan Slew Sin : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled The Loan (International Tin Buffer Stock) Bill, 1961, be read a second time.

The purpose of this Bill is to enable the Federation to borrow up to $55 million in order to finance its contri- bution to the International Tin Buffer Stock to be established under Article VIII of the International Tin Agree- ment, 1960.
In view of the rapid rise in the price of tin I shall be moving an amendment in Committee to subs- titute $ 60 million for the figure of $55 million.

As payment may have to be made on 3rd July next it has been necessary to take all stages of the Bill at this meeting.

Honourable Members were informed in a White Paper Command 55 of 1960, tabled on 21st November, 1960, that the Federation Government would ratify the International Tin Agree- ment, 1960.
The Agreement, which will replace the 1953 Agreement, has since been ratified.

Article VIII of the Agreement makes provision for the establishment of a new tin buffer stock equivalent to 20,000 tons of metal.

The Federation's share of the buffer stock will be 38 per cent Contributions to the buffer stock are due on 3rd July or such later date as the new Tin Council may decide.
It is not possible at the present time to predict the precise liquidation should be returned to the miners who contributed to the Buffer Stock as has been requested by them.

It will not be possible, therefore, to utilise the proceeds to finance this country's contribution as a set off against the Second Buffer Stock.

Such a contribution will in fact be financed by means of an overdraft to be obtained from one or more of the Malayan Exchange Banks.
Agreement has been reached with the Malayan Exchange Banks Association that the rate of interest on the loan shall be the best minimum debit interest rate as agreed between the Bank Negara and the Ex- change Banks Association from time to time.

This Bill seeks the necessary statutory authority for the raising of the overdraft.
Repayment of the overdraft and interest thereon together with the administrative expenses involved will be made from the proceeds of a levy to be imposed on tin concentrates mined in this country.

Provision for such a levy will be made in the Tin Control (Buffer Stock) Regulations, 1961, which will be gazetted shortly.
The tin industry has been consulted and has agreed that the full cost of the overdraft together with the adminis- trative expenses should be recovered in the manner proposed, which is in general similar to that used in respect of the overdraft previously arranged for the purpose of paying the Fede- ration's contribution to the First Inter- national Tin Buffer Stock.
Clause 4 of the Bill states that the amount in terms of tin metal and cash principal moneys together with all which we will be required to contribute interest thereon shall be charged on and to the buffer stock, as these matters are to be decided by the new Inter- national Tin Council.

It is estimated, however, that the Federation will be called upon to pay the equivalent of not more than $60 million either in tin metal or cash.
This is a maximum figure and the actual contribution may payable out of the Consolidated Fund.

This is a constitutional requirement as the Government will be the borrower.

Nevertheless, I wish to emphasise that the proposed borrowing of up to $60 million will not in any way constitute a burden on the general revenues of the country.

be appreciably lower.


The International Tin Agreement, 1953, expires on 30th June, 1961, and the proceeds of the first Tin Buffer Stock will be repaid to contributing countries.

Here it has been decided that our share of the proceeds of the Clause 6 (2) provides that all sums borrowed under the provisions of the Bill shall be repaid within a period of 4 years.
It is anticipated, however, that the repayment of all sums raised under the provisions of this Bill to- gether with interest thereon will be 459 25 APRIL 1961 460 repaid within a period of 22 years from the proceeds of the proposed levy on tin concentrates mined in the Fede- ration.

Repayment of the overdraft will be made daily on the basis of the sums received by Government in respect of the levy on tin concentrates.
In this way the interest which will have to be paid by the tin industry on the over- draft will be kept to a minimum.

Sir, I beg to move.

The Minister of Commerce and Industry (Enche' Mohamed Khir bin Johari) : Sir, I beg to second the motion.
can have a big sum at its disposal, and, what is more important, that this organisation would be able to tie down big countries not to resort to dumping tin and other devices to upset or interfere with the price of tin in the market and this would be more to the benefit of this country, Malaya, and to the whole world.
So, I think the solution should be for the Government to look more into the question at the international level and bring such countries into the group of countries participating in the Interna- tional Tin Agreement.
Enche' Tan Siew Sin : Mr. Speaker, Enche' Liu Yoong Peng : Mr. Sir, if I may, I would like to suggest Speaker, Sir, I have heard just now with all humility that Honourable from our Honourable the Minister of Finance that the proceeds from the pre- vious Tin Buffer Stock are to be returned to the owners, and for this reason he says that the Government has to raise a sum of $60,000,000 from loan.
I think the principle should be that the tin mine owners should bear some of the burden of this amount instead of relying on the Government raising funds from a public loan.
Another point, which I want to raise, is that although in principle we agree that under international obliga- tion the Malayan contribution to the international Buffer Stock is supposed to be $60,000,000 this sum must be found and must be paid -I would like to say that even after having paid such a sum to the international Tin Buffer Stock, we consider the sum to be quite inadequate to meet the demand for tin stability in the world market.
By this I do not mean to suggest that Malaya should contribute more, because no mattes how much it contri- butes Malaya cannot by itself solve the problem.

The problem lies in the fact that some of the major tin producing and consuming countries in the world are not members of the International Tin Agreement.

Therefore, a better solution would be for Malaya and other tin producing countries in the world to get countries such as America even Russia to be mem- bers of the International Tin Agree- ment.
Only in this way, can we hope that the international Tin Buffer Stock Members of the Socialist Front might perhaps be able to make far more useful contributions to debates than they have yet been able to make, if they were to come to this House with an open mind rather than read from a prepared text, with the result that what they have to say, what they do say, bears no relation to the speeches made by Ministers of the Government.
In my opening speech, I tried to make it clear that this levy which we intend to impose on tin concentrates mined in the Federation will, in fact, pay not only for the overdraft but also for all the administrative expenses involved in administering this new contribution to the second Tin Buffer Stock.

In other words, the Government itself will only act as an agent of the industry in order to channel this con- tribution to the new International Tin Buffer Stock.
I agree that it will have to give a guarantee to the banks that this overdraft will eventually be repaid, but, as I say, it is a constitutional requirement which could not be avoided.

In practice, however, it is most unlikely that the Government will lose, because whatever expenses are incurred will be recoverable in full by means of the levy, and the Govern- ment is in a position to impose a sufficiently high levy in order to recover what has been spent.
I hope I have made they position clear and, I hope, that in future the Honourable Member for Rawang will listen more carefully to what I have to say.

461 25 APRIL 1961 462 I agree with him that it is desirable that all consuming countries should adhere to the International Tin Agree- ment-and at the moment there are a number of major consumers who are not members, among them the United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
I was also extremely interested to hear his remarks on tin dumping, and I sincerely hope that if he has the occasion to do so, he will bear in mind that it was Russia which in 1958 dumped enough tin on the world market in such quantity that for one day the London Metal Exchange ceased to operate, and if he can do any good in that direction, I am sure this House will appreciate his effort.
already been circulated to Honourable Members : To leave out the words "fifty- five" wherever they occur and to substitute therefor the words "sixty".

Amendment put, and agreed to.

Long title , as amended , ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported with amendment : read the third time and passed.

THE LOAN (LOCAL) BILL Second Reading Enche' Tan Siew Sin : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that The Loan (Local) Bill, 1961, be read a second Question put, and agreed to.

time.
time.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

This Bill authorises the Minister of Finance to raise local loans not exceeding $100 million at any one time, the period of any loan not to exceed House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

five years.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr. Speaker in the Chair) Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clause 3 Enche?
Clause 3 Enche?

Tan Siew Sin : Sir, I beg to move the following amendment referred to in the amendment slip which has already been circulated to Honourable Members : Clause 3 (1)-To leave out the word "fifty-five" wherever they occur and to substitute therefor the word "sixty".

Amendment put, and agreed to.

Clause 3, as, amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clauses 4 to 6 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Long title Honourable Members are aware that it is the policy of the Government to stimulate the interest of domestic investors in Government securities.

The Bank Negara has advised that in order to stimulate the interest of institutional investors, in particular banks and insurance companies, it is desirable that short-term loans, i.e.

loans for periods of between two to five years, should be issued and this Bill will enable such loans to be issued.
The stock will be transferable in the normal manner, such transfer being free of stamp duty.

There is no active market in Government securities at the present time but the short life of the loans and their marketability should encourage investors, particularly the banks and other institutional investors, to employ their surplus funds in taking up such stock rather than remitting them overseas for investment as is done at present to a great extent.
The purposes for which the monies received by the issue of loans under the provisionsi of this Bill may be used are set out in Clause 4.
Whilst it would be unsound practice to rely heavily on Enche' Tan Siew Sin : Sir , I beg to move the following amendment referred short-term loans to finance develop- to in the amendment slip which has ment, it is considered that at least a 463 25 APRIL 1961 464 proportion of the money raised by the issue of such loans can be devoted prudently to the financing of long-term investment, especially as the maximum sum which may be raised at any one time is limited to $100 million.
Clause 4 (b) therefore provides for payment of the proceeds of the loans into the Development Fund to the extent that such payment is authorised by resolu- tion of the Dewan Ra`ayat.

This provision will ensure effective Parlia- mentary control over the use of the funds for development.

No provision has been made for the creation of a sinking fund as it will not be readily practicable to redeem such short-term loans by means of a sinking fund.
Clause 4 (c) therefore provides that loans can be redeemed from the proceeds of other loans issued under the provisions of this Bill.

It is anticipated that the total amount of loans issued will increase gradually to $100 million and that it will nor- mally be possible to re-finance matu- ring loans having regard to the gradual development of a domestic money market.

The Bill otherwise follows the common form of legislation authorising the raising of local loans.

Sir, I beg to move.
Sir, I beg to move.

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari : Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Enche' Liu Yoong Peng: Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is not my intention to rise to oppose the Government every time.

On this occasion, Sir, I have to agree with the Government that it is a good idea to have these loans raised locally.
I think $100 million may be a good start, but more can be raised later on because it is certainly quite in accordance with Socialist principles that the Government should take more part in the economic activities of the country.

In rural development or otherwise, Sir, the trouble, as I said in the first session of Parliament, has been that not enough utilisation of the private financial resources of the country has been made by they Govern- ment previously.
But ever since that was said, I notice that there are more and more local banks and local in- surance companies coming up to take their place.

But although these private activities and enterprise may in a way stimulate the development of the country in one way or the other, I still feel that the better solution would be for the Government to enter more and more into the economic activities of the country for the development of the country.
Therefore, such measures as the raising of loans locally by the Government should be encouraged.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr. Speaker in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 14 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.
THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ELEC- TIONS (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' Dr. Ismail : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Local Government Elections Act, 1960," be now read a second time.

The main object of this measure is to bring Local Councils within the scope of the Local Government Elections Act, 1960.
The House may be aware that under Section 5 of the Local Councils Ordinance, 1952, there is provision only for an informal' method of election of members of such Councils.

Elections to these Councils have been conducted on simple rules of procedure devised by the Govern- ment of each State for the guidance of the District Officers.
Whilst these rules might have been adequate in the past when it was difficult to get persons to stand as Councillors, the recent increase in political activities has led to large numbers of people coming forward as candidates for Local Council elections, which they regard as 465 25 APRIL 1961 466 the initial step in their political careers.
Unfortunately in many cases this political enthusiasm has sometimes led to local disturbances, which have in some cases been caused by the lack of appropriate legislation dealing with the conduct of elections and the qualifica- tions of the electors.

The Local Government Elections Act, 1960, provides for uniform qualifications for Councillors and electors, and enables the Election Commission to assume responsibility for supervision of the conduct of the elections.
By this that Ordinance to elections to Local Councils.

I would like to inform the House that the terms of this Bill have been discussed in the National Council for Local Government and have been agreed to by the Council.

Sir, I beg to move.

The Minister of Transport (Enche' Sardon bin Haji Jubir) : Sir, I beg to second the motion.
Enche' Liu Yoong Peng : Mr. measure, electoral procedure at the Speaker, Sir, this Bill will enable the Local Council level will be assimilated Election Commission to have control with that in force in relation to Town and Rural District Councils.

Clause 1 provides that this measure will only come into operation in any State when adopted by the Government of that State.
Under the proposed Section 5A the Ruler or Governor of a State may provide for the election and appointment of members of a Local Council in the State.

Orders must be made under that section within three months of this Act being brought into force by a particular State Govern- ment, and elections will then follow.

The remaining provisions of the Bill are of a formal nature.

The object of Clause 3 is to meet the case where a.
State Government wishes to set up a new Council which cannot properly be called a Town Council or a Rural District Council.

Clause 5 provides for the use of current electoral rolls for the purposes of election.

Act of 1960.

Clause 6 repairs an omission in the Clause 8 restricts non-resident pro- perty owners to only one vote in the local area of a Council and provides for the abolition of the non-residential qualification, if the Ruler or Governor so desires.
Clause 9 disposes of Parts of the Local Authorities Elections Ordinance, 1950, which no longer has any applica- tion.

Finally Clause 10 makes a conse- quential amendment to the Election Offences Ordinance, 1954, so applying over the elections and it is a good measure, but some provisions here, I think, need consideration.
For example, Part III (A), Local Councils, where there is a provision that boundaries of local areas will be decided by the State authority in doing so, I hope that in future the Government will take into consideration certain matters.

We know that so far not all the District Councils have been having elections.
In Malacca we find that there is election to the District Councils, but in Selangor many of the places have not had any elections to the District Councils and in Selangor most of the local elections take place in the new villages.
But we find that when resi- dents of the new villages participate in local councils their authority does not extend over the boundaries of the new villages and in this way their sphere of administration would be much less than that those who are in the District Councils, such as in Malacca.
And so we find, for example, that in Selangor the local elections only enable the residents of this area to have control over very limited pockets in the State, and wide areas in these places are not under the control of the local residents.

We know that new villages as such are mainly residential areas.

There may be a few shop houses and cottage industries, but they are quite small in scale and many of the residents in the new villages work in the surrounding rubber estates.
But they have no say whatso- ever in the activity of the estates and there are some cases where new villages have become places where 467 25 APRIL 1961 468 there is a marked lack of modern facilities and modern amenities and of bagi membolehkan ra`ayat negeri ini memerentah sama ada Persekutuan any improvements because the local Tanah Melayu, Negeri, Bandaran dan councils do not have enough money to Tempatan menurut kehendak inereka itu better the conditions of the new sendiri.

Maka!
Maka!

yang amat menyedehkan villagers although the bulk of the kita is-lah ada-nya beberapa kekerasan residents may be working in the yang di-amalkan dalam pilehan2 raya.

surrounding regions.

I think there should be some provision to see that either there should be more elections in the District Councils or the Authority of the Local Councils should extend to places where residents are also working where they do get their employment in the surrounding regions.
Another aspect of the problem which I want to raise is under the provisions of Clause 8 (a) of the Bill, where it is stated that the owner of the immovable property may be allowed to vote in the area.
I think this is certainly favouring the capitalists in a way rather, because for a person to be able to own an immovable property demands capital and money and quite often we find that in the local areas there are people who go to that region to work and they may not own a house or a shop or any immovable property, but they do go there and work and earn their livelihood although they do not stay or reside in that region.
In this connec- tion, I would say this: if a person who merely owns an immovable property is allowed to vote in that area, I do not see any reason why a person who works in that region should be deprived of the right to vote too it that region.

So, I consider this is rather capitalistic in concept and if this is to be allowed, then the workers should also be allowed to vote if they work there under the same circumstances.
Enche' Zulkidee bin Muhammad : Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada pendapat saya Rang Undang2 ini ada-lah satu Rang Undang2 yang menasabah.
Saya berchakap demikiart is-lah kerana Pilehan Raya Bandaran dan Tempatan sedan 'g berjalan dalam negeri ini dan oleh kerana telah banyak perkara2 yang bersangkutan dengan pilehan raya telah timbul dalam Parlimen ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, membuat Undang2 Pilehan Raya tentu-lah berma`ana kita hendak menj alankan chara2 demokrasi Saya tidak hendak menyebutkan dengan panj ang apa yang telah ber- laku, tetapi Dewan ini telah menyaksi- kan dalam dua tiga hari yang lalu betapa hal ini telah menjadi burok.
Maka Saya harap Kerajaan dan dengan kerjasama daripada Surohanjaya Pilehan Raya dapat memberi ikhtiar bagi menj amin dan menj alankan demo- krasi dengan aman dan tenteram dalam Pilehan, Raya Bandaran dan Tempatan dalam negeri mi.

Sebab-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, akan hilang-lah demo- krasi sa-kira-nya kekerasan samseng itu akan bermaharaj alela dan akan menyebabkan orang mengundi kerana takut dan di-tindas dan itu akan merampas pada hakikat-nya hak mereka memikir mengikut kehendak mereka sendiri.
Saya harap Menteri yang me- ngemukakan Rang Undang2 ini supaya sunggoh2 dalam lapangan ini, dan demikian juga Parti Politik supaya memberi kerj asama dengan sunggoh2 dan ikhlas.

Enche' V. David : I just would like to mention that some of the electorate (voters) lists are not in order.

For instance, the names of some voters in a^ certain ward are found in a different ward.

This difficulty, in fact, was experienced in the recent Seremban elections where electoral books were not in order.
I hope the Minister concerned will bear this in mind and rectify.

Enche' Lee San Choon (Kluang Utara) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish to refer to Part III-A (e) which provides for the qualifications and disqualifica- tions of a candidate for Local Council elections.

As you might have noticed from the newspaper this morning.

Sir, three Alliance candidates were dis- qualified in the Kluang Town Council elections.
These three strong men, who were the assured ones to be returned as Councillors to the Kluang 469 25 APRIL 1961 470 Town Council, were disqualified on the ground that they were civilian employees of the British War Depart- ment in the Garrison in Kluang.

Sir, with regard to this matter, I would like to say that we have written .

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make the following provisions, and sub-para.


(2) (e) states that the State Authority has the power to make provi- sions prescribing how Councillors may be disqualified and their qualifications.

Mr. Speaker : Subject to the provi- Mr. Speaker : What section of the sions of this Act.

Bill you are talking about?

Enche' Lee San Choon : Part III-A (e), Clause 4, Sir.

Mr. Speaker : Clause 4?

what is that part you want to talk on?

I think you are referring to Sub-Clause (2) (e) of Clause 5.
You are not entitled to speak on disqualification of members in respect of the Kluang Town Council elections.

Your can't do that.

I must rule you out as there might be an appeal on that.

At the same time that has nothing to do with the Bill before the House.

Enche' Lee San Choon : Anyway, Sir, I wish to inform the House that we have received a letter from the Election Commission, Johore, in regard to this matter.
Paragraph 2 of that letter reads as follows : "It would appear, therefore, that any civilian employee in any of the armed forces of the Federation is disqualified.

However, if he is a civilian employee of the British War Department and paid for by them, he is not, in my opinion, in the Public Service of the Federation.

The War Department is not a Department of the Government of the Federation and he is in no different position from a private employee."
Sir, our candidates were disqualified on the ground that they were civilian employees of the British War Depart- ment, and the reason given was that.... Mr. Speaker : I have ruled you out on that point.

If you want to talk on Clause 5 (2) (e), I can allow you and you are entitled to speak on that.

But don't touch on the disqualifications of those two persons in Kluang.

Do you want to say anything?

Enche' Lee San Choon : No, Sir.


Dr. Lim Swee Ann (Larut Selatan) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to refer to Clause 5A of the Act which says : "SA (1) .. .. the State Authority may, after consultation with the Election Commis- sion .

', Dr. Lim Swee Aun : I take it, Sir, that I am correct in saying that it is the State which has the power.
May I appeal to the Honourable Minister that some understanding be arrived at between the Federal Government and the States to clarify the definition of a public servant, the reason being that apparently different States have diffe- rent definitions.

We do know that in Perak, for example, candidates who are members of the War Department are allowed to stand, whereas in Johore they are not allowed to stand.
So, it is important that something should be done to clarify the definition of what is a public servant.

Data' Dr. Ismail : Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Member for Rawang pleads for bigger Local Council Area.

Well, I think, he knows that as far as Local Councils are concerned, this matter is for the State Governments and the Commissioner of Local Government, and I am told that they are looking into the matter.
As regards his observations on Clause 8, that is about non-resident property owners being allowed to vote, I would like to say that we try to discourage this but, at least, one State Government has insisted on this.

How- ever, the Honourable Member will be pleased to note that this Bill enables a State Government to abolish the residential vote which, I think he agrees, is a step in the right direction.
Sir, Local Councils is a State matter normally, and in this matter he will agree that we can only go as far as we can obtain agreement with the States.

Now, Sir, as regards the observation made by the Honourable Member for Bachok, saya chuma menyertai dengan- nya dan kita dengan sa-daya upaya hendakkan pilehan raya ini di-jalankan dengan lichin dan terator, tetapi ter- lepas bagi tiap2 political parties di- 471 25 APRIL 1961 472 kawasan voters itu.
Sa-bagai Menteri, saya setuju dengan dia dan sa-daya upaya chuba-lah dengan democracy itu berjalan dengan aman dan terator.

Coming to the observations made by the Honourable Member for Larut Selatan, and Rluang too, on the ques- tion of the definition of a public servant, as you have stated, Sir, a case is pending appeal.
I think we definitely should look into the matter, but I personally feel, in order not to be accused of being biased towards my Party, that we should await the result of the appeal to see whether the defini- tion is clear or not as a result of that judgment and subsequently amend it if necessary.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.


(Mr. Speaker in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 10 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment; read a third time and passed.

THE LIFE ASSURANCE COM- PANIES (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Enche' Tan Siew Sin.

: Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "An Act to amend the Life Assurance Companies Ordinance, 1948" be read a second time.
new insurance companies registered for the purpose of undertaking life insurance business , no less than 17 companies having been registered.

These companies have very limited capital resources , and inadequate expe- rience in the conduct of insurance business, the principal safeguard for the interests of policy-holders being the $200,000 security deposit required to be made by each company by virtue of Section 4 of the Life Assurance Com- panies Ordinance , 1948.
This rapid growth in the number of companies will inevitably result in fierce competition, which will in all probability lead to the adoption of unsound practices , and the eventual failure of some of the weaker and more inexperienced companies, the real losses being eventually sustained by the holders of policies issued by such companies .
It is therefore very neces- sary to check this unhealthy growth until comprehensive legislation to con- trol the conduct of insurance business generally can be introduced.

I consider it essential that the con- duct of life insurance business should, with certain exceptions which area provided for in this Bill, be confined to those companies that have adequate paid up capital resources .
Clause 2 of the Bill therefore provides that only companies having a paid up capital of not less than $1 million may conduct life insurance business.
Companies already registered and conducting life insurance business prior to 20th April, 1961 , will not be affected , but I should like to emphasise that such companies will be made subject , in due course, to the provisions of the new Insurance Act including those provisions relating to the minimum amount of paid up As Honourable Members are aware, the Government intends to introduce capital required.
comprehensive insurance legislation to ensure not only the sound growth of the industry in the Federation, but also the maximum protection of the interests of policy-holders.

The introduction of this legislation has been deferred pending the recruitment of an expe- rienced Insurance Commissioner, whose appointment is essential if the provi- sions of the proposed legislation are to be enforced effectively.
In the last year there has been a spectacular growth in the number of Life insurance is at present also carried on by certain societies which provide what are known as "death benefits ".

Such societies if properly registered under the provisions of the Societies Ordinance and falling within the definition of "Death Benefit Societies" as contained in that Ordi- nance will not be subject to the provi- sions of this Bill.
Nevertheless the need to increase control over the conduct of these societies is being examined with a view to determining 473 25 APRIL 1961 474 whether or not they should be brought within the scope of the proposed insurance legislation.
I think the Government will see its way to introducing them; but I am not quite sure they are prepared to pay for such Co-operative insurance societies in existence before 20th April, 1961, are exempted from the provisions of this Bill, and provision has also been made for His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong to grant exemption to individual companies or societies already in existence should this be considered desirable in any particular case.
This Bill should be regarded as an interim measure to increase the degree of protection afforded to policy-holders pending the introduction of comprehen- sive insurance legislation.

Sir, I beg to move.

Enche' Mohamed Khir bin Johari : Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Enche' Liu Yoong Peng: Mr. Speaker, Sir, we have this Bill to protect the interests of those who want to be members of assurance companies.
It is a good thing, Sir, but the provision of $1 million makes it certain that the richer people would be more likely to be able to form such companies.

I am not arguing against the principles of the Bill, but I think the ultimate solution would certainly lie in Government having a national assurance scheme.
I do not know for certain to what extent the Government intends to implement a national assurance scheme, but as the Minister of Finance has pointed out that this Bill is only an interim measure, I do hope that the Govern- ment is working towards the direction of a full national insurance policy.

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr. Speaker, Sir, I welcome the support given to this Bill by the Honourable Member for Rawang.
In regard to the suggestion that the Government should introduce a comprehensive insurance scheme, I do not know what sort of insurance scheme he means -I believe it is un- employment or sickness.

Anyway, he obviously wants the Government to extend the scope of these social services.

As I have stated repeatedly in this House before, these things have to be paid for.

If the people of this country are prepared to pay for such services, services.

Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr. Speaker in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 3 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.
MOTIONS LEAVE OF ABSENCE OF MEMBERS The Deputy Prime Minister (Tun Abdul Razak): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to move, That the leave of the House under Article 52 of the Constitution shall be given to, and may be signified by Mr. Speaker in the case of, any member of the House of Representa- tives whose absence thereunder has been approved by Mr. Speaker : Provided that Mr. Speaker shall report to the House the name of every member to whom such leave has been given.
Sir, under Article 52 of the Constitu- tion this House may declare the seat of a Member vacant if two conditions are fulfilled : first, that the Member is absent without leave of the House for a period of six months, and second, if the House passes a resolution declaring the seat of such a Member to be vacant.

The normal method by which this House expresses its views is of course, Sir, by means of a resolution.
In the case of the granting of leave of absence, however, such a method is, in my view, extremely cumbersome, and it is accordingly proposed, by the motion now before the House, that Mr. Speaker shall be empowered to give leave to a Member, provided that he makes a due report thereof at the next sitting of the House.
Now, Sir, this motion will not, if adopted, imply that a Member obtain- 475 25 APRIL 1961 476 ing the leave of Mr. Speaker may not have his seat declared vacant , for the power to do this rests under the Constitution with this House, and no other authority .
It will , however, enable a Member to obtain an early reply to a request for leave of absence for six months or more; and only if Mr. Speaker is unwilling to give such leave on behalf of the House will there be any likelihood of a formal resolution being brought before the House : for Article 52 does not, as I have indicated, automatically create a vacancy.

Now, Sir, the practice in various Parliaments in the world varies.
In the United Kingdom House of Commons leave of absence for a Member is not now normally required by, or given to a Member.

In the Singapore Legislative Assembly the permission of the Speaker of the Assembly is sufficient authority for the purpose.

All in all, Sir, I venture to suggest that the House is prepared to rely on your good sense and discretion in this matter , subject to the House being duly informed of which Members will be absent from its deliberations .
The House is prepared to leave this matter to you, Sir.

Constitution shall be given to Mr. Speaker, and may be signified by Mr. Speaker in the case of any member of the House of Representatives whose absence thereunder has been approved by Mr. Speaker.

Article 52 does not mention a word regarding the approval of the Speaker of this House for any Member to be absent for a period exceeding six months.
We have just heard the Honourable the Deputy Prime Minister say that Article 52 is cumbersome as it stands.

If that is the case, why does not the Government amend Article 52 to conform to what it considers it requires, but not by moving a motion of this character in this House, which is in direct contra- vention of Article 52.

The Honourable the Deputy Prime Minister also mentioned that by approving this motion the despatch of business in allowing a Member leave for six months will be accelerated.
Now, how many Members of this House really require to be absent for six months from this country?

I would say very few.

So, there must be, in my opinion, some underlying motive in bringing this motion into this House.

This, Sir, is essentially , therefore, a And what is that motive?

A Minister motion designed to facilitate the of the Government has quite recently prompt despatch of the affairs of the been appointed High Commissioner in House, and therefore it is a business Australia.
He would go there not as motion ; and as such I commend it for High Commissioner actually, but as a adoption by this House.

Sir, I beg to move.

Enche' Sardon : Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Dato' ®nn bin Ja`afar : Sir, I rise to oppose very emphatically this motion by the Deputy Prime Minister as a very obvious, unwarranted, unmitigated attempt by the Government to subser- viate the Constitution to the needs of the Government itself.
Article 52 says : "If a member of either House of Parlia- ment is without the leave of the House absent from every sitting of the House for a period of six months the House may declare his seat vacant."

Minister of the Government, drawing the pay and allowances of a Minister but officiating as High Commissioner.

Now, is that a proper step to take?


It may be that the Deputy Prime Minister will quote the previous example of the present Minister of the Interior who was sent to America, who was then the Minister without portfolio and who was appointed the Representative of the Federation Government in the United Nations.

I say that two wrongs cannot make a right.

If this Minister chooses to become the High Commis- sioner in Australia, he should resign his Ministry and take up the post of High Commissioner.
If he is not prepared to do that, then the Govern- Now, the wording of the present ment should appoint him as a Minister motion is in contravention of Article without portfolio and retain him here 52, because here it says that the leave to be a jack of all trades but master of of the House under Article 52 of the none.
477 25 APRIL 1961 478 I, therefore, Sir, most emphatically oppose this motion as being in contra- vention of Article 52, and it is a very definite attempt on the part of the Government to distort the intentions of the Constitution and to subserviate the Constitution to the requirements of the perkara itu boleh di-bahathkan atau di-timbangkan oleh Dewan ini sendiri.
Apa yang telah di-sebutkan dengan sharat bahawa Tuan Yang di-Pertua hendak-lah menyatakan (report) kapada Dewan ini nama tiap2 Ahli Parlimen yang chuti itu telah di-beri kapada-nya.

Government.

Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad : Tuan Yang di-Pertua, penerangan yang Merepot sa-suatu kapada Dewan ini tidak mesti berma`ana bahawa sa-suatu itu di-bahathkan.
Maka dengan demi- di-beri oleh Yang Berhormat Timbalan kian nyata-lah chadangan ini sendiri Perdana Menteri yang memestikan di- telah berlawanan dengan Perlembagaan terima chadangan ini tidak-lah dapat memuaskan saya bahawa chadangan ini patut di-terima.

Fasal 52 dalam Per- lembagaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu dalam perkara ini telah di-jelaskan, dan dalam Perlembagaan itu sendiri telah di-nyatakan soal tidak datang atau tidak ada dalam Parlimen bagi masa 6 bulan.
mi ada-lah satu hak yang di-beri kapada Dewan ini.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sendiri tidak shak atas kebersehan chara pekerj aan yang akan di-jalankan oleh Tuan Yang di- Pertua sa-kira-nya hak-nya di-beri.

Tetapi yang menjadi soal kapada kita sekarang ini is-lah kita berhadapan dengan Perlembagaan yang telah menerangkan Leave of Absence saperti yang di-sebutkan dalam Fasal 52.

Persekutuan Tanah Melayu ini yang meletakkan hak memberi chuti lebeh dalam masa 6 bulan kapada Dewan mi.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak-lah mengetahui apa-kah yang menyebabkan chadangan ini di-kemukakan.

Tetapi kalau benar-lah apa yang di-anggap dan yang di-agakkan oleh Yang Ber- hormat dari Kuala Trengganu elatan, maka saya rasa hal ini patut-lah di- tarek balek oleh Kerajaan, sebab tidak- lah mustahak bagi Kerajaan membawa usul ini, kalau itu-lah sebab-nya.
Sebab-nya terang bahawa Ahli Yang Berhormat (The Minister of the Interior) menjadi Menteri hendak meninggalkan Dewan ini bagi menj alankan satu tugas yang di-tugaskan ka-atas-nya oleh Kerajaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apa yang di- maka sudah pada tempat-nya is tidak sebutkan oleh Perlembagaan sendiri lagi mend adi ahli Dewan mi.
pun sudah menjadi satu perkara yang longgar, menurut Professor L. A. Sheridan waktu membuat ulasan ber- kenaan dengan Perlembagaan ini, sa- saorang Ahli Parlimen itu chukup-lah menunjokkan muka-nya dua kali sa- tahun dalam Parlimen ini supaya mem- bolehkan is dudok dalam Parlimen ini dengan sah-nya, sebab yang tidak boleh is-lah lebeh daripada 6 bulan.
Maka kalau ini pun umpama-nya tidak dapat di-lakukan oleh sa-saorang Ahli Par- limen, maka tentu-lah perkara itu ada- lah satu perkara besar yang patut di- bawa ka-dalam Dewan mi.

Dalam penerangan Yang Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri tadi telah di-sebutkan-nya is-itu sa-kira-nya Tuan Yang di-Pertua umpama-nya tidak mengizin chuti itu, maka perkara itu boleh-lah di-fikirkan oleh Dewan ini sendiri.
Tetapi dalam chadangan ini tidak pula di-nyatakan sama ada Hal ini bukan-lah daripada timba- ngan politik saya sendiri, sebab saya tahu kawasan Ahli Yang Berhormat itu ada-lah satu kawasan yang kuat bagi Perikatan.

Yang menjadi soal is-lah soal apa yang ada dan apa yang di- kehendaki oleh Perlembagaan Perse- kutuan Tanah Melayu.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, oleh itu saya ada-lah membangkang usul mi.
Tun Abdul Razak : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I strongly disagree with the Honourable Member for Kuala Trengganu Selatan when he says that this motion is unconstitutional.

It is very constitu- tional, Sir.

As I have explained, this House has the right to choose any method it likes to express its approval.

In the Constitution it is not stated specifically what method the House should adopt to grant leave.
Therefore, the normal method for the House to 479 25 APRIL 1961 480 express its approval in granting leave is by resolution, and I have explained that it is a very cumbersome method indeed for the House to pass a resolu- tion to enable a Member who wishes to take leave of the House, to be granted leave.

So, this motion suggests that the House should delegate that power to the Speaker, and then the Speaker will inform this House from time to time the persons to whom he has granted leave.
And if any Honourable Member of this House objects to any leave being given to any particular Member, he has a right under that Article to introduce a motion to this House.

Sir, as I have said when I introduced this motion, this motion does not derogate from the power of the House.

The ultimate authority in this is this House.

There is no underlined motive behind this motion at all.

It is intended to facilitate the business of the House.
Any Member who wants to obtain leave will definitely find it difficult if a resolution will have to be brought to this House before he can take that leave.

Any Member may want to go on leave on urgent business.

So, as I have said, in order to facilitate the procedure for the granting of such leave this motion is introduced and this motion does not take away the ultimate power of this House.
It only delegates the powers to grant leave to the Speaker and, as I have said, this House should be able to rely on the good sense of the Speaker to exercise his discretion in a matter like this, and the House is the ultimate authority to question the exercise of that power by the Speaker by introducing a motion under Article 52 of the Constitution.

Data' Onn bin Ja`afar: On a point of explanation.


Article 52 says : "If a member ... is absent without leave of the House ... for a period of six months It does not refer to a period of one week , one month , two months, three months , four months or five months but six months.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That the leave of the House under Article 52 of the Constitution shall be given to, and may be signified by Mr. Speaker in the case of, any member of the House of Represen- tatives whose absence thereunder has been approved by Mr. Speaker : Provided that Mr. Speaker shall report to the House the name of every member to whom such leave has been given.

REPORT OF STANDING ORDERS COMMITTEE (Paper No.

D.R.
D.R.

1 of 1961) The Minister of Health and Social Welfare (Dato' Ong Yoke Lin) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to move : That the First Report of the Standing Orders Committee (Second Session), which has been presented to the House as Paper No.

DR. 1 of 1961, be adopted with effect from the end of this meeting.
Sir, Honourable Members will recall that the present Standing Orders were adopted substantively by the House on the 9th December, 1959, when it accepted the recommendations set out in the First Report of the Standing Orders Committee (First Session), which had been presented to the House as Paper No.

DR. 2 of 1959.
DR. 2 of 1959.

That Report was the outcome of an exhaus- tive review by the Standing Orders Committee of the Standing Orders ad interim which the House had adopted provisionally on the 12th September, 1959, soon after the in- auguration of Parliament.
In submitting its recommendations at the time, the Standing Orders Com- mittee stressed that the Standing Orders must be regarded as being of an interim nature, that it was necessary to see how they actually worked, and that they would require to be adapted from time to time to suit the needs of the House.
The Standing Orders Committee, in pursuance of its policy of keeping the Standing Orders under constant review with object of evolving better proce- dures for the disposal of the business of the House, held two meetings during the last session to consider what amendments or improvements were necessary or desirable to the Standing Orders in the light of the knowledge gained of their working since they were first adopted.
As has been mentioned in the Report itself, the Committee 481 25 APRIL 1961 482 received a number of suggestions for amendment from the Honourable Member for Kuala Trengganu Selatan, and, on behalf of the Committee, I would like to thank him for the trouble he has taken and the keen interest he has shown.
The Committee earnestly hopes, with the passage of time, that more and more Members will show a like interest in matters of procedure, for it is very much on the Members themselves of this the first Parliament that a special responsibility rests for ensuring that sound procedures are laid down now for the future.
The amendments which the Com- mittee has recommended in the present Report may be classified into two types : first, those designed to give greater clarity to, or to render explicit the intentions behind, the Orders involved; secondly, new provisions which experience has shown to be necessary.

Amendments of the first type are those to Standing Orders 9 (1), 14 (2), 23 (1) (c), 34 (1), 53 (4), 62 (2) and 99.

Of the new provisions, two are amendments which have been recom- mended to Standing Order 12.
These lay down what are the days on which the House shall sit, and the hours of sitting of the House on each day of the week.

The second recommendation by the Committee the insertion of a new paragraph (5) to Standing Order 15 will, it is hoped, enable Private Mem- bers' motions to be dealt with by the House as expeditiously as possible.
I might add, however, that this new provision will not rule out altogether the spectacle of a Private Member possibly having to introduce his motion two or three times, as happened in the case of the Honourable Member for Kuala Trengganu Selatan.

The remaining two new provisions suggested are to Standing Order 23 (1), relating to the admissibility of questions on foreign affairs.
As the House is aware, there has been a growth of interest in world affairs amongst Honourable Members and this has been reflected in the increase in the number subjects.

It is considered desirable that questions asked in Parliament should not have a prejudicial effect upon the Federation's external policy.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah (Kota Bharu Hilir) : Tuan Yang di- Pertua, di-dalam menyokong Bill ini saya suka hendak berchakap dalam dua perkara.

Pertama-nya tentang perkara Standing Order No.


14 (2) mengikut report ini saya telah tidak bersetuju sa-bagaimana yang telah di- chadangkan dalam report itu.

Sekarang saya bacha : Standing Order No.

14 (2) "House may upon the motion may with- out notice of all other business decide to proceed of any particular business out of the regular order."
Sebab yang saya tidak bersetuju sa- bagaimana pindaan yang di-buat dalam report itu is-lah kerana kita maseh ingat lagi pada suatu masa dahulu ia- itu wakil daripada Seberang Tengah telah membuat satu motion supaya di- masokkan ka-dalam Atoran Urusan Meshuarat lebeh dahulu daripada motion yang lain, walhal motion yang lain2 itu telah di-tablekan lebeh dahulu daripada motion yang telah di-kemuka- kan oleh wakil itu.
Maka ini-lah sebab nya maka saya tidak bersetuju kerana saya pandang mesti-lah tiap2 motion yang di-tablekan di-Rumah ini mengi- kut kepentingan motion itu yang dahulu di-dahulukan.

Yang kedua is-lah Standing Order 23 (1).

Di-dalam perkara ini saya tidak- lah bersetuju dan saya tidak-lah mem- ber sokongan di-atas pindaan ini is-itu tentang perkara perbahathan di-atas perkara2 yang bersangkut-paut dengan negeri2 asing.
Dalam tiga empat hari yang lalu kita telah berchakap ber- kenaan dengan orange Melayu di-negeri Siam.

Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana Menteri telah berchakap dan meng- ambil begat di-dalam soal South Africa dan lain2 negeri lagi ini tidak menjadi salah pula kapada Kerajaan.

Saya Pan- dang kalau sa-kira-nya di-persetujukan dengan chadangan ini maka tetap-lah akan menjadi satu keberatan bagi member2 Rumah ini untok mengambil bahagian di-atas Question tersebut.
Bnche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad : Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam menj alan- of questions asked on international kan pindaan yang di-kemukakan oleh 483 25 APRIL 1961 484 Yang Berhormat Menteri is-itu Pe- nyata Jawatan-Kuasa Peratoran Me- shuarat di-chadangkan di-terima oleh Dewan ini maka is-itu ada-lah per- chubaan yang di-jalankan oleh Jawatan- Kuasa yang di-lantek ini bagi menam- bah lebeh elok Standing Order dalam Dewan ini.
Memang, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, banyak perkara2 yang telah nyata dalam pindaan2 ini yang telah dapat menyelesaikan sadikit sa-banyak kesulitan yang telah pun di-hadapi daripada Dewan ini dari sa-masa ka- sa-masa.

Chuma saya bangun di-sini ia- lah oleh kerana ada beberapa perkara yang pada fikiran saya patut di- timbangkan oleh Dewan ini bagi me- nambahkan elok lagi Standing Order yang ada pada kita mi.
Baharu2 ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, menurut kelaziman dan menurut petua yang di-beri oleh Tuan Yang di-Pertua dan saya tidak-lah hendak menchabar Tuan Yang di-Pertua di-sini, tetapi pada fikiran saya dalam membahath- kan sa-suatu pindaan kapada sa-suatu usul ada molek-nya Jawatan-Kuasa ini menimbangkan masa hadapan bagai- mana usul itu dapat di-selesaikan dahulu di-timbangkan atas pindaan ini supaya clapat-lah hak pindaan itu di- binchangkan dengan halus yang di-beri oleh Standing Order ini.
Mithal-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apa yang telah berlaku dalam uchapan terima kaseh yang telah di-kemukakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Larut Selatan yang meminta supaya Dewan ini meluluskan satu usul berkenaan dengan terima kaseh kapada Duli Yang Maha Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda Yang di- Pertuan Agong.

Saya telah mengemuka- kan pindaan itu oleh kerana permintaan Tuan Yang di-Pertua supaya di- jalankan sa-kali perbahathan dalam usul asal itu.
Saya merasa bahawa hak membahathkan atas pindaan itu atas chara yang tegas telah tidak dapat di- jalankan.

Maka saya fikir elok di- fikirkan oleh Jawatan-Kuasa Standing Order pada masa akan datang supaya Jawatan-Kuasa itu dapat menimbang- kan lebeh dalam lagi.

Di-antara perkara2 yang ada dalam Dewan ini is-lah chara kita mengambil tahu dalam hal luar negeri saperti yang di- katakan oleh sahabat saya tadi yang sa-benar-nya.
Saya sangat bersetuju dengan keputusan pindaan yang di- buat oleh Jawatan-Kuasa ini is-itu Standing Order 23 (I) (k) sa-suatu pertanyaan itu hendak-fah jangan mengandongi apa2 sebutan kurang adab berkenaan dengan negeri luar yang berbaik dengan negeri ini; dan (1) sa- suatu pertanyaan itu tidak boleh meminta penerangan berkenaan dengan hal-ehwal dalam negeri sa-sabuah negeri luar.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau sa-kira- nya (1) sa-barang hal yang hendak kita tanya, umpama-nya kita hendak ber- tanya apa-kah keadaan perniagaan dalam negeri Afrika Selatan semenjak di-lakukan pemulauan oleh Kerajaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu.

Maka ada- kah ini berkesan atau tidak?
Kalau menurut Standing Order ini tidak dapat di-katakan, sebab itu ada-lah urusan dalam negeri Afrika Selatan, tetapi bagi membolehkan Dewan ini dan bagi memberi ra`ayat negeri ini serta Ah1i2 memikirkan sa-suatu perkara yang ada kala-nya is terpaksa bertanya kapada Kerajaan soal yang perlu tentu-lah Keraj aan akan menchari j awapan yang baik dan terator supaya ma`aluman itu dapat di-kemukakan kapada Dewan ini, sebab amat merbahaya kalau sa- kira-nya Dewan dan Ahli2 mengambil ma`alumat yang lain dari puncha rasmi.
Maka itu-lah sebab-nya yang saya rasa supaya dapat soal ini patut di-fikirkan sa-mula dengan halus-nya oleh Jawatan-Kuasa mi.

Dato' Onn bin Ja`afar: Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am in general agreement with the amendments proposed by this Com- mittee with the exception of one : Standing Order 57 (2) reads "At least one day's notice of any proposed amendments shall wherever practicable be given, and .

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and the existing Standing Order 57 (1) says "The Clerk shall call the number of each clause in succession, If no amendment is proposed thereto, or when all proposed amendments have been disposed of, the Chairman shall propose the question .

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Now, Sir, this is the Committee Stage of a Bill, where in the course of a debate on the principles of the Bill it may be necessary for a Member to a 485 25 APRIL 1961 486 propose an amendment in Committee.
Therefore, he would not be in a position to give one day's notice of his proposed amendment.

I am quite aware of the words "wherever practicable", but I do feel that there might be a misunderstanding or even a misruling (Laughter) on this matter unless it is clarified better than it is at the moment.

I also welcome the additional words to Standing Order 99 and I would at the same time like to give notice that I propose to make use of this S.O.

99 to introduce a motion at the next meeting of this Council.
Data' Ong Yoke Lin : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would again say that the Standing Orders Committee would welcome suggestions from Honourable Members for any further amendments to improve the Standing Orders.

I am rather surprised, shocked, to hear from my Honourable friend the Member for Kota Bharu Hilir, if I heard him correctly, when he men- tioned South Africa.

I presume he referred to apartheid as a matter of internal affair of South Africa.
The whole world knows that it is no longer an internal affair of that country.

The Honourable Member for Kuala Trengganu Selatan referred to Standing Order 57 (2) and, as he himself pointed out, the use of the words "where practicable" should take care of amendments in Committee : wherever practicable, Honourable Members should try to give one day's notice of any proposed amendment.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That the First Report of the Standing Orders Committee (Second Session) which has been presented to the House as Paper No.

D.R.

1 of 1961, be adopted with effect from the end of this meeting.

THE DEVELOPMENT ESTIMATES, 1961 Enche' Tan Slew Sin : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to move the motion standing in my name.
Last December my Honourable col- league, the Deputy Prime Minister, introduced on my behalf Provisional Development Estimates totalling about $196 million to cover the period until the main Development Estimates for 1961 could be prepared in accordance with the Second Five Year Plan.
This Plan was adopted by the House last February and the Statement now before the House represents the full develop- ment programme for 1961 including those schemes for which interim arrangements were made in the provi- sional Development Estimates.

I would mention that the preparation of these Estimates in the short time that has elapsed since the Second Five Year Plan was published has not been an easy task.
First of all, each Ministry and Department had to bring its five- year development programme within the total of the funds allocated to it in the Plan.

Then the expenditure for each scheme had to be phased over the five years making due allowances for planning, land acquisition, the building up of works capacity and other factors.

Only when the five-year phasing had been completed could the detailed work of estimating the expenditure for the year 1961 commence.
After the Ministries and Departments had carried out their part of the work the results had to be carefully examined by the Treasury and amendments made with the object of ensuring that the Estimates were as realistic as possible.

Notwithstanding the short period avail- able for their compilation I feel that the Estimates represent a good beginning to the Second Five-Year Plan.

Honourable Members will note from the Treasury Memorandum laid as Command Paper No.
19 of 1961 that the total provision made in these Estimates represents considerably more than 1/5 of the total expenditure of the Federal Government in the public investment sector of the Five-Year Plan.

In view of the many occasions in the past when actual expenditure fell far short of estimates, there may be a tendency for some people to think that the Government is presenting a wildly optimistic and unrealistic programme.

This, however, is not the case.


On the present occasion these Estimates must be considered primarily as an instal- ment of a five-year programme rather 487 25 APRIL 1961 488 than merely as an annual budget.

If our ambitious target for the period 1961-1965 is to be attained, we must make quite sure that a start is made on all the schemes included in it as soon as the departments concerned are ready to make that start.
It is impossible when planning for a large number of the fact that no figure of estimated actual expenditure to 31 - 12-60 appears against them in Column (4).

I will not dwell at length on the actual items included , as my Honourable colleague, the Deputy Prime Minister, who will second this Motion and the Ministers who will speak in Committee will have substantial development projects to enough to say on the projects them- estimate exactly the rate of progress which can be achieved on each one.
When there is an unexpected hold-up on one project it is essential that the available resources should be at once selves .

I would like, however , to draw attention to the considerable sums which have been provided as grants in reimbursement of expenditure carried out by State Governments.

These concentrated on another one instead of include $250,000 for group settlement being left idle.
This can only be done schemes , $1,384,750 for agricultural if funds are available for expenditure schemes , $12,193,551 for drainage and on alternative projects as well as on i r r i g a t i o n , $49,000 for forestry, those which were initially thought to $1,735,000 for veterinary schemes, $15 be suitable for speedy completion.

In million for State and rural roads and other words, one must have a degree of $2 million for water supplies in Federal flexibility in carrying out the Plan.
It so happens that this year, as a result of the high prices achieved for our main export commodities in 1960 and because of the general state of prosperity in the country, we should be able, without difficulty, to finance the whole of this large programme of $455 million should it in fact be possible for the Ministries and Departments concerned to complete all the schemes provided for in these Estimates.
We therefore feel that the chance of sending the Five-Year Plan off to a flying start should not be missed even though we do not in fact expect the whole of the expenditure budgetted for to be dis- bursed during 1961.

I should mention here that however much we do in fact achieve in 1961, it is not the intention of the Government to overload its works capacity or its financial resources by increasing the target figure for total development expenditure over the five- year period.
I have mentioned that these Estimates Land Development Authority schemes.

These grants totalling $32 ,612,301 are in addition to the large sums provided as loans to State Governments for group settlement schemes and economic water supplies .
Honourable Members will see therefore that the Federal Government is not only concerned with the services which are its own respon- sibility under the Constitution, but is also giving very considerable assistance towards those services which are the responsibility of the States.

Honourable Members will notice that no stars have been used in these Estimates to indicate that expenditure on the schemes is subject to prior Treasury approval.
This does not mean that the Treasury will not be conducting further detailed examination of the projects provided for here to ensure that they are economically sound.

The Treasury will, in fact, be subjecting the new schemes included in these Estimates to close scrutiny from time to time but as far as possible this will incorporate the projects included in the be done without holding up Depart- provisional Development Estimates for mental programmes.

In the last few days 1961.


The effect is therefore that all the we have had clear evidence that man- Government's expenditure for develop- ment purposes from 1st January onwards falls within the allocations made in the Second Five-Year Plan.
Those projects which are entered for the first time are not separately marked but can in general be distinguished by kind has now definitely entered the space age, but nevertheless I feel there are still occasions when one should keep one's feet firmly planted on the ground.
In other words, I am most anxious to see not only that, during the period of the Second Five-Year 489 25 APRIL 1961 490 Plan, the Government spends the full amount which has been budgetted for, but also that every dollar of that So, Sir, our National Development Policy is designed to take our people on a journey towards prosperity in amount is spent to good purpose and which they will also experience a feeling that there are worthwhile results to show for it.
Sir, I beg to move, That this House doth now resolve itself into Committee of the whole House to consider the Statement laid on the Table as Command Paper No.

18 of 1961 and to recommend whether the expenditure shown therein shall be approved by this House with or without modification.

Tun.
Tun.

Abdul Razak : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to second the Motion and, in doing so, I must say that I am attracted by the closing words of my colleague, the Honourable Minister of Finance, who reminded us that since the last Session of this House, when our Second Five-Year Plan was launched, mankind has entered the Space Age; but, never- theless, in order to implement our Plan, we in Malaya must keep our feet firmly on the ground.
Now, Sir, in my view we should have no difficulty in following the advice of my Honourable Colleague.

The Alliance Government has always had a firm foothold on the path of progress; and, throughout the length and breadth of our Nation, the many development projects under construc- tion proudly proclaim this fact.
Projects in the nearest towns; projects in the farthest Kampongs; speak for themselves more eloquently than any words; projects which are positive proof that the Government have not only got its feet firmly in the right place, but also, its shoulders to the wheel of progress and its heart in the task of Nation-building.
It can also be said that our Five- Year Development Plan, the first year of which the Estimates are now before the House, is in fact a Plan very much in keeping with the modern spirit of the "Space Age".

I understand that the great thing about space travel is that, after Man has gone sufficient distance to be freed from the forces of Gravity of this Earth, he goes on into Space and experiences a wonderful feeling of weightlessness.
of weightlessness from the burden of poverty; (Applause) and in these Estimates before the House are projects which stand out as pillars of progress in the first part of this journey.

Also like Man in Space, free from the Gravity of the Earth, so have our people being recently freed from the Gravity of the forces of Communist Terrorism which delayed the develop- ment of our Country for so many years.

(Applause).
(Applause).

In order that Malaya may develop to the fullest extent of its natural resources and economic potential, we must forcibly follow, with determina- tion, a double-based Development Programme : (a) the development of our trade, commerce and industry; (b) the development of our Rural Areas.
I shall leave it to my colleague, the Honourable Minister of Commerce and Industry, to deal with our National Industrial Programme, but, nevertheless, I would like to make it clear to this House that although it is possible for these two Development Programmes to be separated on the Pages of the Estimates before you, the two cannot in fact be separated in practice, because, in order to maintain and also to in- crease our present standard of living, both in the Urban and Rural Areas, we must remember, in all seriousness, that our National prosperity, to a great extent, depends on world trade.
No Nation, in this Space Age, can hope to achieve a high degree of prosperity unless it is prepared to open its doors to the commerce and industry of other Nations.

All nations of the Free World are, by necessity, inter-dependent on the great interchange of international trade.

This House will remember that the underlying purpose of our National Rural Development Programme is to ensure that the people of our Rural Areas get a fair return for their labour.
491 25 APRIL 1961 492 Let us therefore consider seriously what return for their labour would our Rural people receive if other countries did not trade freely with us and buy our National produce, such as rubber and other raw materials.

Let us never forget therefore that even the prosperity of our Rural Areas is directly dependent on international enterprise and endeavour.
So it is essential that all of us, by our daily words and our daily actions, not only in this House but wherever we may be, take thought so that we can constantly give proof to the rest of the world, by our good sense, our sincerity and our political stability, that we are in fact a Nation in which investment, expenditure and endeavour on the part of international enterprise, is secure.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, the untapped potential resources of our Country are large enough to afford opportunity, not only to our own National free Enter- prise but also to International Enter- prise.
Let us ensure that the Door of Welcome is continually kept open to those of other Nations who have faith in the stable and democratic way in which we govern our Country, and, as a result, have also the trust to establish industrial enterprise within our shores; the wider this Door of Welcome is kept open, the greater will be the possibilities of our National Economic Prosperity.

Now; Sir, I would like to turn to our National Rural Development Pro- gramme.
If we look at the Map of Malaya, and on it compare the distance separating the Federal Capital from the more remote Kampongs in our Rural Areas, we remember that many Kam- pongs are far away and that a journey to them by road, by rail or by river would take many, many hours.
However, in keeping with the tempo of travel in the Space Age, the Alliance Government has made it possible to make a journey into the heart and soul of any Kampong in record time; this journey takes less than a minute; it is a mental journey made possible by the use of the "Red Book".

(Applause).
(Applause).

The "Red Book" was conceived, designed and put to use by the Alliance Government, for the purpose of ensuring that, no matter how far away any Kampong may be, nevertheless, the hopes and needs of its people are forever near to the heart of Govern- ment.

The "Red Book" is in fact, therefore, tangible proof of the fulfilment of that trust the people of the Rural Areas placed in the present Government when, two years ago, they themselves chose it to take charge of the affairs of their Country.
This House will remember that when the Government launched its Rural Development Programme, it stated quite clearly that it had no intention of setting up a large and costly organisa- tion to implement its Aims for the benefit of the Rural people; but that instead, it would make the fullest use of our existing Government Machinery, and that all policies at all levels Ministerial, Federal, State and District would be framed with a priority focus ensuring that all the resources of Government, and the entire energies of its executive effort, would be harnessed and directed, to the development of the Rural Areas.
This has in fact been done.

The Ministry of Rural Develop- ment remains small but, a very active Ministry performing the vital function of co-ordination.
So therefore in the Estimates before the House Honourable Members will not find funds for all Rural projects under the Heading of the Ministry of Rural Development, but they will find, under the Head of each Ministry and Department which has a service to give, or a responsibility to shoulder in the Rural Areas, plenty of provision for projects designed to ensure the progress of our Rural people.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to second the Motion.

Mr. Speaker : The motion is now open to debate.


But I think this is a good time to suspend the sitting until tonight.

So the meeting is suspended to 8.30 tonight.

Sitting suspended at 12.45 p.m. 493 25 APRIL 1961 494 Estimates (Cmd.

18 of 1961) itu, maka tudohan daripada Kementerian yang Sitting resumed at 8.30 p.m. (Mr. Speaker in the Chair) THE DEVELOPMENT ESTIMATES, 1961 Debate resumed.

Question again proposed.

Dr. Burhanuddin bin Mohd.


Noor (Besut): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Deve- lopment Estimates, 1961, ini sa- bahagian daripada-nya telah pun kita binchangkan pada 17-4-1961.

Saya rasa sa-sudah kita luluskan Development telah timbul beberapa perkara yang Yana atas perkara itu-lah yang hendak saya chakapkan dalam Dewan mi.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam masa mengulas Titah di-Raja saya telah membawa chadangan is-itu supaya Kerajaan Persekutuan membahagikan wang per- untokan Ranchangan Lima Tahun Ke- dua saperti pembahagian Kerajaan Persekutuan membahagikan wang per- untokan Ranchangan Lima Tahun Ke- dua ini saperti pembahagian "capita- tion grant itu sama rata".

Perbelanjaan bagi Ranchangan Lima Tahun yang Kedua is-lah $5,050 juta, dan bagi Development Estimates, 1961, di- keluarkan sa-banyak $455,283,020.
ketentuan supaya dengan jalan itu perkara2 yang di-katakan saperti "anak tin " dan sa-bagai -nya tidak akan timbul .

Dan kita ketahul bahawa keadaan negeri kita berjalan dengan chara pilehan raya sa -bagaimana yang telah berlaku kapada kedua2 Kerajaan PAS itu mungkin berlaku pada bahagian negeri yang lain juga akan membawa perubahan.

O1eh itu kalau ada satu peratoran di-sediakan dapat- lah dasar itu di-lancharkan dengan lichin.
Yang kedua, berkenaan dengan mengatakan Kerajaan PAS menolak Ranchangan Lima Tahun mi.

Yang sa-benar-nya , perkara ini tidak di-tolak, kerana pada dasar-nya telah pun di- sokong.

Yang menjadi pertelengkahan itu is -lah tentang masaalah Undang2 Tanah Negeri Kelantan dan Trengganu berbeza, kerana negeri Kelantan memakai Undang2 Tanah-nya sendiri dan negeri Trengganu memakai Undang2 Tanah-nya sendiri.
Apa yang menjadikan kekeliruan itu is-lah masaalah undang2 tanah kebang- saan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu ini, jika di-jalankan mungkin mengkechi- wakan undang2 tanah negeri Kelantan.

Jadi di-atas masaalah lnl-lah timbul- Maka dengan ada-nya beberapa nya segala pertelengkahan itu.
Saya keadaan yang telah berlaku yang telah rasa jadi dengan masaalah ini dapat- di-sebutkan saperti keadaan di- lah dengan chara jalan memelihara Kelantan dan Trengganu itu, yang kepentingan kedua pehak maka saya sa-benar-nya perkara itu pada dasar- rasa perkara ini dapat dengan sendiri- nya sudah di-setujui oleh PAS.

Yang nya di-selesaikan.

menimbulkan pertikaian itu is-lah masaalah dasar Undang2 Tanah Kera- jaan Negeri dan Undang2 Tanah Kebangsaan Persekutuan.
Saya suka bertanya Menteri yang berkenaa^l bagaimana chara atau per- atoran pembahagian wang yang di- untokkan kapada sa-sabuah negeri itu di-jalankan.

Saya rasa perkara ini akan berpanjangan dari satu masa ka-satu masa.

Nampak-nya apa yang telah di- jalankan itu di-kira dengan bagitu sahaja dengan tidak ketentuan sa- bagaimana yang di-tentukan apa pem- bahagian "capitation grant" itu kapada Persekutuan, dan dalam bahagian2 kemajuan ini tidak di-tentukan lagi pembahagian-nya.
Pada fikiran saya perkara itu elok-lah di-buat satu Satu perkara lagi dalam ranchangan ini kita telah lalu ranchangan 5 tahun dan dalam ranchangan 5 tahun yang pertama itu sudah termasok rancha- ngan2 untok pembenaan beberapa perkara di-Pantai Timor , tetapi sangat- lah di-rasakan bahawa kekechiwaan ranchangan 6 tahun yang tidak berjalan itu dan mungkin ranchangan 5 tahun yang kedua juga akan membawa kechiwa lagi.
Jadi saya berharap dalam perkara ini untok kepentingan ra`ayat dengan tidak memandangkan dengan kepentingan kepartaian , tetapi is-lah bagi muslihat ra`ayat seluroh-nya bahawa ranchangan kemajuan yang pertama yang telah tidak di-sempurna- kan terus di-dalam ranchangan kema- j uan 5 tahun yang kedua, dengan tidak 495 25 APRIL 1961 496 pula tergendala ranchangan2 yang telah mempersatukan ejaan di-antara Ejaan di-buat dan telah di-chadangkan dalam Malaya dengan Indonesia.
Saya tahu kemajuan 5 tahun yang kedua mi.

Jadi bahawa telah sampai-lah masa-nya di- bererti-lah kedua2 ranchangan itu akan ambil satu persetujuan hendak mem- berjalan dengan sempurna-nya mana- buat ejaan bersama oleh pehak yang kala sampai pada masa-nya.

berkenaan.

Ini-lah perkara pandangan `am dalam general policy yang saya hendak chakapkan.
Berkenaan dengan beberapa caption daripada estimate ini saya berasa yang sangat perlu is-lah ber- kenaan dengan hal kesusahan ra`ayat peladang2 dan petani2 di-kawasan itu dan di-Besut sang.

Kerana banyak binatang2 yang merosakkan tanam2an mereka itu, jadi saya rasa perkara ini kapada Game Warden dapat di-susun dengan baik maka dapat-fah di- musnahkan musoh2 yang merosakkan tanam2an di-sana.
Berkenaan dengan perkara kesihatan, terutama tentang Hospital di-Besut itu sangat-lah kekurangan, sebab di-situ ada satu ward yang kechil maka semua sa-kali di-champorkan di-situ.

Jadi perkara ini saya berharapkan supaya di-bahagian ini di-atorkan dengan baik dengan membuatkan Hospital dan ward2 yang sa-suai bagi ra`ayat yang berkehendakkan rawatan kesihatan.
Dan bagitu juga dalam lapangan Jalan Raya dan Jambatan di-Pantai Timor itu juga saya harap dapat-lah rancha- ngan2 yang di-kirakan tidak berj clan daripada ranchangan yang pertama, saperti j ambatan Dungun itu akan dapat-lah di-jalankan dengan segera dalam tahun ini juga.
Berhubong dengan perkara transport di-dalam kawasan2 yang di-buka jalan2 baharu oleh State dengan bersambong jalan2 yang telah ada bas maka Saya berharap dengan ada-nya ranchangan menjalankan Bahasa kebangsaan kita ini maka ada-lah satu perkara yang sangat mustahak di- pentingkan dan di-segerakan.

Enche' Tan Siew Sing: Sir , on a point of order.

I do not think that the development of the National Language has got anything to do with the Development Estimates.
Mr. Speaker : But there is an amount provided under Education in the Development Estimates.

Dasar2 Development Estimate ini sudah di-bahathkan dengan panjang lobar-nya; kita sudah 4 hard mem- bahathkan tentang titah Di-Raja yang mengandongi boleh di-katakan semua perkara di-atas muka bumi ini (Ketawa).

Jadi sa-patut-nya-lah sampai masa-nya kita berchakap atas dasar wang yang kita untokkan.

Dr. Burhanuddin bin Mohd.

Noor: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya pun dalam soal ini menurut dalam Cmd.
19 tetapi saya rasa perkara ini penting yang hendak di-bawa sebab perkara ini di- ulang2kan tidak berjalan rasa-nya.

Jadi saya rasa sa-bagai kata yang akhir ia- itu berkenaan dengan menyatukan bahasa dan persuratan antara Malaya dengan Indonesia.

Ini-lah satu usaha yang patut di-segerakan benar.

Dengan jalan ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, per- kembangan bahasa kita akan bertambah memandang kapada keadaan semangat luas.

hidup orange Melayu di-sana.


Jadi hendak-lah pehak Kementerian Trans- port ini menjalankan satu ketentuan supaya jalan2 membuka jalan baharu itu dapat-lah di-berikan peruntokan-nya supaya orange Melayu dapat pula peluang membuka Base Company di- kawasan2 yang di-buka j alan baharu itu.
Satu perkara lagi saya rasa sangat-lah mustahak dalam perkembangan Bahasa di-negeri ini dan perkembangan kebudayaan kita is-itu-Iah keputusan2 Enche' Zulkifee bin Muhammad: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam uchapan Yang Berhormat Menteri Kewangan is-itu mengatakan bahawa sa-sunggoh- nya kita hendak membelanj akan banyak dalam ranchangan pembangun- an menurut anggaran pembangunan yang ada di-hadapan kita ini is-itu kita akan membelanj akan wang itu chukup dengan penoh harga-nya dari ringgit ka-ringgit dan dari sen ka-sen. Ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, is-Iah perkara yang hendak di-jadikan pokok perbinchangan 497 25 APRIL 1961 498 kita di-sini.
Kita ketahui bahawa ang- merasa lain sa-besar mana tugu itu garan perbelanjaan ini memakan wang sebab walau macham mana besar tugu beratus2 juta ringgit dan dahulu pun itu sa-kali pun tugu itu hanya menjadi Menteri Kewangan kita telah menyata- simbol dan simbol tidak padan dengan kan bahawa tidak-lah tepat kalau dalam harga-nya, tetapi kerana besar harga ranchangan2 pembangunan yang non- jiwa-nya.
Jadi ini-lah yang saya katakan productive kita menggunakan wang2 dalam menjalankan ranchangan pem- yang kita pinjam dari pehak2 yang lain.
bangunan yang akan datang maka oleh Dalam anggaran belanja tahun 1961 kerana kita menginsafi bahawa wang biasa kita telah mendapat $13 million yang kita belanjakan itu tidak-lah kelebehan wang berbanding dengan datang dari kelebehan kita, sebab wang wang yang akan kita belanjakan dalam kita hanya-lah $13 million maka anggaran belanja ini nyata-lah bahawa hendak di-lakukan dengan sa-ribu daya $13 million yang kelebehan dalam upaya berjimat wang itu di-laksanakan.
anggaran belanja itu akan habis di- chelah2 gigi anggaran pembangunan bagi tahun 1961.

Pertimbangan ini menjadi penting, menjadi asas bagi Kita tahu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ketika membelanjakan sa-suatu rancha- ngan yang berhimah tinggi saperti ini melakukan pada berhemat dalam akan melayangkan kita mengikut istilah perbelanjaan.
Saya teringat, Tuan Yang Timbalan Perdana Menteri di-angkasa di-Pertua, Yang Berhormat Perdana awang2 bersama2 dengan orang Russia, Menteri malam tadi mengatakan apa- tetapi kalau berpijak bumf hendak-lah lah yang di-marah-nya sangat kita kita ingat bahawa perbelanjaan dengan menggunakan sadikit wang kata-lah wang yang tidak chukup dalam negeri $1 million bagi membuat Tugu kita ini menjadi berlaku-nya saperti di- National.
Yang menjadi soal, Tuan Temerloh dengan kerosakan jambatan Yang di-Pertua, is-lah ringgit ka-ringgit dalam pembangunan baharu2 ini ada- berjimat yang hendak di-belanjakan lah menjadi chontoh pada kita dan hal itu, bukan $1 million, bukan $10 ini patut-lah menjadi pengajaran kapada million, bukan $100 million bahkan kita.

Ini-lah yang saya harapkan kapada dari sa-ringgit.

Ini-fah yang menjadi Kerajaan supaya bersunggoh2 benar dasar kapada kita.
Saya maseh ingat melakukan jimat-chermat dalam kiraan dalam membahathkan Ranchangan membelanjakan wang Kerajaan.
Sa- Pembangunan Luar Bandar dan malam dalam anggaran perbelanjaan anggaran pembangunan sementara bagi ini ada di-sebutkan anggaran belanja tahun 1961 dahulu satu chadangan telah bagi padang kapal terbang antara di-kemukakan oleh Kerajaan bagi bangsa di-Kuala Lumpur ini, walau mengujudkan dan menubohkan sa-buah pun di-katakan faedah2-nya ada, tetapi Tugu National, dan Yang Berhormat tidak-lah mesti Persekutuan Tanah Timbalan Perdana Menteri telah murah Melayu ini mendahului dunia dalam hati menunjokkan kapada saya chontoh menunjokkan diri-nya bahawa dia-lah atau gambar bagi Tugu National mi.
Kerajaan yang besar sa-kali dan yang Chontoh dan gambar itu sederhana dan chepat sa-kali membuat satu padang saya perchaya tidak-lah memakan kapal terbang antara bangsa untok belanja yang banyak, tetapi apabila tiba menyambut orange dari bulan turun fikiran baharu Yang Berhormat Per- ka-Tanah Melayu ini.
Ini tidak penting, dana Menteri telah menukarkan yang penting is-lah mengukor baju di- chontoh itu mengikut chara chontoh badan sendiri, walau pun dalam erti Amerika dalam kejayaan mereka pembangunan dan kemajuan hal yang perang Iwo Jima.

Ini-lah chontoh yang saperti ini terutama saya minta di- patut di-perhatikan oleh Kerajaan perhatikan oleh Kerajaan dalam non- dalam menentukan sa-suatu wang productive-non-productive p r o j e c t Kerajaan yang kalau tiga bulan dahulu yang akan di-buat dalam negeri mi.
kita merasa tugu sa-rupa 1111 chukup- Apabila kita lihat dalam estimate2 yang lah bagi mewujudkan satu simbol ada di-hadapan kita ini maseh banyak pengakuan atas perkhidmatan mereka bilangan ranchangan2 yang tidak maka jangan-lah sekarang ini pula kita productive sa-chara langsong maka 499 25 APRIL 1961 500 dalam ranchangan ini hendak-lah kita Kerajaan, maka apa-kah lagi kewajipan perhatikan bahawa kewangan negeri Kerajaan yang wujud dalam negeri ini?

ini tidak chukup di-belanjakan.


Saya tahu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bahawa Kerajaan akan menjawab yang kami pun berfikir demikian.

Saya tahu juga bahawa Kerajaan aan mengubah dari ratus ka-million ringgit-nya saperti biasa-nya.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada pendapat saya soal yang besar dalam pem- bangunan ini is-lah pembentokan ra`ayat supaya menjadi orang yang lebeh layak hidup dengan pengetahuan dan dengan demikian sanggup menolong diri-nya sendiri dalam memajukan diri- nya di-negeri yang sudah merdeka mi.
Hak pelajaran dan pengetahuan ada- lah satu hal yang besar.

Menteri Kewangan kita telah menyebutkan bahawa tidak-lah boleh kita memasoki perkhidmatan kemasharakatan dan pelajaran sa-lagi kita tidak yakin bahawa kewangan kita sudah tegap, dan dengan hal yang demikian tidak- lah kita mesti pada masa yang akan datang menarek perkhidmatan mi.

Sebab penarekan perkhidmatan pela- jaran dan kemasharakatan akan mem- bawa akibat yang burok ka-dalam masharakat kita yang telah tahu menerima-nya.
Tetapi, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, soal ini tidak dapat kita tunggu sebab orange yang umor-nya layak belajar itu umor-nya berjalan sama ada Kerajaan mempunyai ranchangan atau tidak mempunyai ranchangan.

Saya tahu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di- seluroh Tanah Melayu ini, terutama negeri2 Kelantan dan Trengganu dan di-kawasan saya Bachok terutama sa- kali ada beberapa daerah yang belum mendapat sekolah daripada Kerajaan.
Mereka itu oleh kerana hendak-nya hidup sa-bagai manusia yang mem- punyai kelayakan dan kebolehan dalam negeri yang merdeka ini mengadakan sekolah mereka sendiri, tetapi malang- nya sudah sa-kian lama maseh banyak bahkan pulohan sekolah itu belum dapat bantuan daripada Kerajaan, apa lagi hendak di-angkat oleh Kerajaan sekolah itu menjadi sekolah yang di- tanggong oleh Keraj aan perbelanj aan- nya, sedang kita ketahui bahawa kalau sekolah tidak menjadi kewajipan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya me- mandang walau pun kita hendak menchermatkan perbelanjaan dan walau pun ada keutamaan2 yang kita letakkan dalam.
Ranchangan Pemba- ngunan dan Kemajuan, soal pelajaran- lah yang lebeh utama terutama bagi kawasan luar bandar yang berhajat kapada pelajaran pada masa mi.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak dapat mengelakkan diri saya sendiri daripada menyebutkan dengan tegas- nya di-sini bahawa dalam Ranchangan Kemajuan Luar Bandar ini dan Ran- changan Kemajuan Lima Tahun ini kita terpaksa mengenepikan sa-suatu yang lain bagi kepentingan pembangu- nan itu.
Ini saya maksudkan dengan tegas dan dalam hal yang bersangkutan dengan pantai timor.

Sunggoh pun, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada perselisehan faham di-dalam soal tanah di-pantai timor, tetapi jangan-lah Kerajaan mem- bawa2 hal ini sangat dalam tiap2 satu Ranchangan Pembangunan Negara yang di-katakan dengan tegas-nya itu kapada soal yang lain, sa-hinggakan, umpama- nya, dalam soal jalan raya, dalam soal pertanian, dalam soul perikanan dan dalam apa sahaja akan terasa oleh kita perbezaan itu.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ranchangan Kemajuan Luar Bandar tidak lagi saperti kata Timbalan Per- dana Menteri, tidak lagi merupakan satu ranchangan yang di-kendalikan oleh sa-buah negeri sahaja tetapi akan di-masokkan tugas dalam beberapa Kementerian2 yang berlainan, dan oleh kerana itu amat-lah mustahak Kerajaan mengawasi supaya jangan berlaku apa yang di-katakan "pileh kaseh" dan tindas-menindas dalam kemajuan luar bandar ini.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya merasa bahawa Anggaran Perbelanjaan ini ada-lah satu Anggaran Perbelanjaan yang besar.

Enche' K. Karam Singh (Daman- sara) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is not my intention today to dwell at length on policy, and I will just confine myself to a few subjects.
Sir, the Honourable the Deputy Prime Minister, in seconding the motion of the Honourable the Minister of 501 25 APRIL 1961 502 Finance, has thought of going to outer just let that wealth be taken away by space in solving the financial problems a small group of capitalists.

of this country.

We hope that that is not an escape from the realities of the pro- blems facing this country.
We also hope that in his journey to outer space, our Honourable the Deputy Prime Minister does not get into an American rocket, otherwise within three or four seconds of the launching of the rocket, he may find himself somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean.

(Laughter).

Sir, we must remember that what the Honour- able the Deputy Prime Minister has said is highly symbolic.
When he talks of man in space, of achievements in science, we hope that his rocket is as good as Yuri Gagarin's rocket and not a rocket built on a private enterprise which will explode at the nearest and first crisis.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Honourable the Deputy Prime Minister has said that there are large untapped resources in our country.

We agree that Malaya is very rich, but up to to-day, we ask, what have the masses benefited from Malaya's wealth?
The masses, the ra`ayat, the people of this country, have not benefited from the wealth of this country.

It was only a few capita- lists who have seized the wealth of this land, and it is only those capitalists who taste the wealth of the country.

Mr. Speaker : Order !

Order !

We are not debating on the general policy.

You can only speak on the policy of the service for which money is provided in the Estimates and on nothing else.

We have already dealt with the general policy last time.
Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr. Speaker, Sir, I will be touching on the Ministry of Rural Development, but I think I must explain a few remarks made by the Deputy Prime Minister.

Mr. Speaker : You are always making a very long preamble !

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

Enche' K. Karam Singh : Mr. Speaker, Sir, if the large untapped resources of our country are going to be utilised, our proposition should be to let the ra`ayat receive the full benefits of the wealth of our country and not Mr. Speaker, Sir, the idea that sent our Deputy Prime Minister to outer space was because of the Rural Development Plan or the Five-Year Plan.

Sir, we know that during the Emergency, the Emergency gave birth to a class of millionaire contractors who did military contracts.
Now the rural development plan, we have heard from the Government side, will be largely in the hands of contractors.

Sir, our only wish is that the net result of the rural development programme is not a new class of millionaire con- tractors who have made money out of the rural development programme.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, we have been hearing the phrase "spoon feeding".
I do not wish to introduce any racial element into it -I am completely free from the racial or communal outlook but I would like to ask the Government this : you give all the work of opening up the land, of cleaning the land, of planting it, into the hands of contrac- tors; and you bring in the people, you settle them on it; everything is ready- made-is not this spoon feeding?

Is not this making our people less reliant on themselves and less confident?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, if this rural development programme is such a vast and dynamic enterprise, we would like to know where is the pioneering spirit in this rural development programme.

There is no pioneering spirit in it; the spirit of enterprise is not instilled by this programme into the people.

Everything is laid on the table by the contractors.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, we know that when the contractors clear the land and work on it, they will get very well paid for it.
But, if we are going to be engaged in the reconstruction of our country, in uplifting the people of the country, then it is the Government, it is the Ministers with all of us, who must work with the ra`ayat; and together with the ra`ayat we must clear the land and together with the ra`ayat we must overcome the obstacles, so that whatever is achieved in this programme will be considered by them as their own achievement and not something just laid on the table.
503 25 APRIL 1961 504 Mr. Speaker , Sir, there is a phrase can build your new Parliament House : which goes like this "easy come, easy but that will and should come only go" and if everything is laid on the table so nicely , it will not be appreciated.

Unless the people earn it by their toil and by their sweat , I do not think that after you have served the ra`ayat.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, by this I do not mean that we are against any essential development of this country.
We are it will be appreciated , and I do not all for essential development and think it will last.

Mr. Speaker , Sir, we find that not enough money is devoted to social welfare .

In Kuala Lumpur for almost half a million people only $1,300 is devoted to social welfare work for the widows , orphans , the needy and the aged for about half a million people only $1,300 is provided.
To cover this shortage, some of our very philantropic persons are approached of course, they belong to the Alliance and are asked to give flour, milk and other items to these needy people.

But, Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is not the solution of the problem for the needy among half a million people .

It is a shame to give only $1 ,300.


Probably we may require something in the region of $30,000 or $40,000 and I would ask the Govern- ment to devote more money for those persons , the helpless orphans , widows, the aged and the disabled in our country .

When I make this appeal, I do not make it a sectional appeal for the people of Kuala Lumpur only, and I hope that more money is provided for all the needy , for all the helpless all over the country.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, there is one last thing which I would like to mention, and that is this there is a tendency for the Government to pay more attention to the showy rather than to attend to the basic needs of our people.

We find on the one hand the ra`ayat crying for more food , for more schools; the ra`ayat is crying for a decent life, a decent home.
But on the other hand the Alliance Government , by high ideas of probably glory , or whatever else you may call it, builds or throws money on an airport and a new parliamentary building which , in my humble opinion, are utterly useless to the ra`ayat in the solution of their basic difficulties.
Once the ra`ayat is served , once you have served them , once you have fulfilled their needs , you can build your monu- ments, you can build your airport, you essential progress, which would directly benefit the ra`ayat of this country.

Thank you.

Enche' Mohamed Yusof bin Mah- mud (Temerloh ) : Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya banuun menguchapkan sa-tinggi2 tahniah di-atas Kerajaan Persekutuan yang telah menguntokkan wang yang banyak untok pembangunan negeri ini sabanyak 450 million lebeh.
Peruntokan wang yang banyak itu is-lah satu peruntokan yang di-nanti2 oleh ra`ayat.

Segala ranchangan2 yang ada dalam Development Estimate itu ia- lah ranchangan2 yang telah di-janjikan oleh Keraj aan pada masa dahulu.

Dalam wang yang banyak itu saya berasa sangat besar hati, terutama sa-kali pembahagian wang yang banyak dalam membangunkan sekolah2, Sekolah2 Rendah dan juga Sekolah2 Menengah.
Itu rasa saya akan dapat memenohi kehendak2 ra`ayat jikalau tidak semua sa-kali akan tetapi dengan peruntokan ini tentu-lah akan dapat memberi satu titek ayer yang akan melegakan dahaga ra`ayat terhadap pelajaran anak2 kita.

Bagitu juga sate lagi yang mengambil perhatian saya dalam ber- kenaan pekebun2 kechil is-itu pekebun2 kelapa.

Saya tengok di-sediakan sa- banyak 1 million, saya rasa ini akan memberi faedah yang besar kapada pekebun2 kelapa yang berselerak di- Persekutuan Tanah Melayu mi.
Berkenaan dengan memberi per- untokan wang untok memberi bantuan ayer is-itu di-Temerloh dan di- Mentakab sudah beberapa tahun yang Iepas mereka2 sangat sukar untok mendapat ayer maka dengan ada peruntokan yang banyak mereka di- tempat itu menguchapkan berbanyak2 terima kaseh.
Berkenaan dengan perkara sekolah, Sekolah Permulaan Primary School, saya berkehendakkan supaya Kerajaan mengadakan satu sekolah di-Temerloh di-mana anak2 kita daripada daerah 505 25 APRIL 1961 506 Temerloh terpaksa pergi dengan motokar yang jauh-nya lebeh kurang Pahang, kalau ta' dapat, di-perbesarkan lagi perkhidmatan yang ada di-Kuala 8 batu untok belajar di-Sekolah Rendah.

Lumpur mi.

Lebeh kurang empat ratus dan lima ratus orang murid2 yang terpaksa meng- gunakan bas daripada Temerloh ka- Mentakab.
Dalam Kementerian Kesihatan saya uchapkan berbanyak terima kaseh terutama sa-kali peruntokan wang kerana Batok Kering.

Kedua berkenaan dengan perbelanjaan untok membuat perjalanan memberi ubat dengan perahu yang mana sedang di-nanti2kan oleh orange di-tempat saya sudah sekian tahun lama-nya.

Jadi saya nampak orange itu telah ada dan saya perchaya ta' lama lagi orange di-daerah Sungai Pahang dapat-lah menerima layanan yang lebeh baik lagi daripada masa ini.
Dalam hal kesihatan ini satu perkara yang saya nampak ta' ada di- masokkan di-sini terutama sa-kali negeri Pahang tentang perkhidmatan berkenaan dengan mengubat orange sakit mata.

Pada masa ini orange di- tempat saya saperti Kuantan, Pekan, Temerloh terpaksa-lah pergi ka-Kuala Lumpur untok rawatan belah mata itu.
Saya perchaya pada masa ini pakar2 tidak chukup dan oleh yang demikian di-negeri saya ta' dapat mengadakan satu ward untok rawatan itu, tetapi sa- kira-nya dapat ward di-Kuala Lumpur ini di-beri lebeh banyak lagi katil2 supaya dapat lebeh banyak untok rawatan itu.
Baharu2 ini saya ada melawat per- khidmatan clinic mata di-Kuala Lumpur dan saya ada membawa satu dua orang untok di-rawat maka saya dapati dan saya telah di-ma`alumkan oleh sebab tidak ada tempat yang chukup maka orange sakit itu terpaksa menunggu berbulan2 bahkan bertahun.
Saya telah di-tunjokkan juga di-mana satu orang telah menanti daripada tahun 1959 maka baharu-lah ini dapat di-belah mata-nya, sebab belah mata ini sangat mustahak terutama sa-kali orang yang telah berumor 55 tahun ka-atas yang kebanyakan berpenyakit cataract atau selaput mata, dengan sebab itu orang ini telah tergendala daripada pekerjaan- nya untok sara hidup pada hari2.
Maka saya merayu lagi supaya dapat di adakan perkhidmatan dalam negeri Lagi satu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dahulu juga saya ada meminta ber- kenaan dengan ward T.B.

atau Batok Kering di-Mentakab dan saya tengok ini ada peruntokan wang $1 million maka saya harap yang Kementerian ini tidak akan lupa lagi di-atas perkara itu.

Penyudah-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam negeri Pahang belum lagi kami mendapat nekmat untok bertanam padi dua kali sa-tahun.
Jadi saya berharap dengan ada-nya peruntokan ini per- ubahan akan di-adakan di-mana tempat2 yang ada Drainage and Irriga- tion, umpama-nya Paya Kangsar dan juga Paya Luas untok perchubaan di- adakan bertanam dua kali sa-tahun supaya dapat juga di-daerah negeri Pahang menekmati saperti mana yang ada dalam negeri Kedah.

Seluroh ranchangan ini saya rasa telah terator dan sa-elok-nya kalau sudah terator kita serahkan kapada Tuhan mudah2an dapat kejayaan segala2-nya.
Saya sangat tertarek hati di-atas satu tegoran yang telah di-hadapkan kapada Jambatan Temerloh.

Saya rasa Kerajaan sangat teliti segala2-nya untok menjalankan sa- suatu ranchangan, tetapi bagi sifat saya sa-bagai orang Islam yang perchayakan kapada Islam segala kerja2 kita itu telah kita ikhtiarkan, maka kita pulang- kan atau serahkan kapada Tuhan untok menjaga-nya, tetapi dengan takdir Allah subhanahu wata`ala jambatan itu telah siap dan telah musnah.
Mudah2an dengan ikhtiar kita, boleh juga jambatan itu di-gunakan, boleh lalu lintas dan ta' payah-lah menunggu sekarang di- j ambatan Temerloh itu, tidak saperti dahulu beratus2 Lori yang menunggu- nya.

Jadi saya rasa bagi pehak Kera- jaan segala ranchangan itu telah di- timbangkan, di-perhatikan dengan segala pakar2-nya maka dengan itu rasa saya segala kejayaan tentu-lah akan dapat melainkan dengan takdir illahi.
Tuan Ha ji Ahmad bin S a id (Seberang Utara) : Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya bangun untok menguchap- kan tahniah kapada Menten Kewangan dan juga Jemaah Menteri yang telah bekerjasama untok membuat perunto- kan bagi kemajuan dalam negara mi.

507 25 APRIL 1961 508 Satu perkara yang saya sangat tertarek hati is-lah.

Kepala 141 is-itu peruntokan bagi Pembenaan Masjid Negara.

Ada- lah ranchangan ini sangat di-idam2kan oleh.

orange Islam khas-nya untok mend adi sa-bagai lambang keislaman negara kita mi.
Saya harap dapat di- laksanakan dengan sa-berapa chepat yang boleh supaya dapat pemelok2 ugama Islam sa-bagai ugama negara ini merasa megah dan sombong di-atas ada-nya Masjid Negara yang terbesar dalam Persekutuan Tanah Melayu mi.

Kedua saya menarek perhatian Kepala 101, sub-head 5 berkenaan dengan chadangan Perdana Menteri hendak membuat Museum Negara.

Ini pun satu perkara yang sangat2 mustahak dan menunjokkan ranchangan ini telah di-buat bagi permulaan-nya.
Saya berharap ranchangan ini supaya maju dan dapat di-laksanakan dengan sa- berapa elok-nya.

Bagi pehak pendudok2 dalam kawasan saya Seberang Utara menguchapkan sa-tinggi2 terima kaseh kapada Menteri yang berkenaan yang telah membuat peruntokan untok kawasan says sa-banyak $452,831 sa- bagaimana yang telah saya tegaskan pada waktu membinchangkan dalam anggaran belanj awan yang lalu is-itu hendak di-beri kapada segala rancha- ngan yang boleh mendatangkan faedah kapada ra`ayat.
Alhamdu lillah pen- dudok2 di-tempat saya itu dapat-Iah menyatakan dengan sukachita-nya kerana peruntokan untok menjalankan ranchangan2 bagi mendapatkan faedah yang berlipat ganda daripada yang lalu, khas-nya berkenaan dengan Tali Ayer yang kawasan saya ada bendang2 sa- banyak 22,000 ekar itu.

Sekarang chuma 10,000 ekar sahaja yang baharu di-tanam dua kali sa-tahun.
Manakala dapat peruntokan ini boleh-Iah segala pesawah2 itu menekmati penghidupan- nya yang baharu yang boleh menjamin kehidupan mereka itu dan mendapat nekmat daripada peruntokan itu untok pembangunan luar bandar mi.

Mr. Speaker : Saya hendak men- gingatkan Ahli2 Yang Berhormat is-itu Sekarang ini bukan-lah masa-nya kita membahathkan dasar `am, kerana dasar 'am kita telah bahathkan terlebeh dahulu.
Kita akan sampai hlam Jawatan-Kuasa yang mana tiap2 per- kara itu akan di-minta persetujuan Majiis ini, di-situ Ahli2 Yang Berhor- mat boleh berchakap tiap2 satu perkara apabila saya buka bagi di-bahath.

Oleh itu tunggu-lah sampai masa-nya.

Saya chuma mengingatkan jikalau Ahli2 Yang Berhormat hendak ber- chakap masa ini boleh-lah berchakap atas perkara yang di-sebutkan ^aleh Menteri Kewangan masa is menge- mukakan usul ini' atau uchapan Timbalan Perdana Menteri yang me- nyokong usul ini.
Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid : Terima kaseh.

Sa-perkara lagi saya hendak menarek perhatian Menteri yang ber- tanggong jawab mengenai ranchangan2 yang di-masokkan dalam Buku Merah situ supaya dapat di-laksanakan dan mana2 yang telah di-persetujui oleh Jawatan-Kuasa Daerah, keutamaan2 itu jangan-lah di-pindahkan kapada ke- utamaan yang lain.

Dengan jalan ini ranchangan2 itu dapat di-jalankan dengan baik-nya.

Sa-lain daripada itu, says hendak,.

berchakap berkenaan dengan perun- tokan membuat Sekolah Menengah.
Saya berharap Sekolah Menengah da- pat di-bena dengan banyak di-luar bandar khas-nya, sebab kebanyakan orang luar bandar pada masa sekarang ini terpaksa berjalan jauh pergi ka- bandar untok melanjutkan pelajaran mereka itu.

Oleh itu, saya harap supaya ran- changan berkenaan dengan Sekolah Menengah yang di-buat oleh Jawatan- Kuasa itu di-jalankan dengan sa-berapa yang boleh.

Enche' Mohamed Sulong bin Mohd.


All (Lipis) : Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun menyokong Ranchangan Kemajuan 1961 yang di-kemukakan oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Kewa- ngan dan telah di-sokong oleh Yang Berhormat T'imbalan Perdana Menteri.

Di-dalam uchapan Menteri2 tentang Ranchangan Kemajuan ini yang besar sa-kali akan memberi kebajikan ka- pada ra`ayat, terutama sa-kali bagi membuka tanah baik dengan j clan F.L.D.A.

atau Group Settlement Areas Act atau Land Alienation.
Tetapi 509 25 APRIL 1961 510 dalam tiga empat ranchangan yang akan di-buka oleh Kerajaan bagi faedah ra`ayat yang miskin , ada satu ranchangan yang nampak-nya ada di- hadapan kita yang telah berjalan is-itu ranchangan tanah di-bawah F.L.D.A.

Pada pendapat saya Kerajaan chuma menguntokkan wang sa-kian2 banyak bagi membuka perusahaan tanah da- lam F.L .D.A., tetapi malang-fiya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua , Saya mendapat tahu ada-lah dalam F .L.D.A.
itu mengandongi kebanyakan-nya dari- pada kaki -tangan Kerajaan saya ber- diri di-sini bukan-lah mengechilkan perkhidmatan kaki-tangan Kerajaan, tetapi dalam perusahaan membuka tanah, menanam getah dan sa-bagai- nya, kita berkehendakkan orang yang bukan sahaja untok mentadbir tetapi orang yang faham dan ada kelulusan dalam pembukaan tanah dan ber- chuchok tanam.
Jikalau sa-kira-nya kita berkehendakkan kejayaan atau pun kemajuan kita mesti-lah memikir= kan atau mengambil nasehat daripada orang yang betul2 tahu tentang mem- buka tanah dan menanam barang2 yang di-kehendaki oleh F .L.D.A.

tidak-lah hanya mengumpulkan kaki- tangan Kerajaan bagi mentadbirkan- nya.
Tujuan kita yang besar is-lah kerana hendak memberi harta atau tanah kapada ra`ayat yang miskin, dan kita tidak kira berapa banyak yang kita akan belanjakan mengikut Estimates, tetapi tidak ada faedah-nya jika kita bukng sahaja wang kalau tidak men- dapat kejayaan yang sempurna.
Kalau kita hendakkan kejayaan dengan sempurna hendak-lah orang yang menjalankan atau orang yang menase- hatkan Kerajaan itu betul2 mengetahui dan bekerja sendiri saperti Manager Estate yang ikhlas kerana hendak menolong kita dalam perusahaan mi.

Saya tahu banyak orang kita bukan sahaja mereka bijaksana dalam hal berchuchok tanam tetapi juga mereka ikhlas menasehatkan kita bagi men- jayakan ranchangan yang kita belanja- kan berates juta ringgit itu.
Oleh itu pada masa yang akan datang ini saya tidak mengechilkan kaki-tangan Kerajaan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tetapi tidak menasabah da- lam satu Lembaga yang saperti itu kita banyakkan wakil Keraj aan men- jalankan kerja itu, kerana kadang2 wakil Kerajaan itu tidak dapat hendak memberi nasehat kapada Menteri dengan sempurna sebab mereka takut ketua pejabat-nya.

Saya harap Menteri Pembangunan Luar Bandar memikir- kan dengan sunggoh berkenaan dengan hal mi.

Yang kedua, berkenaan dengan menanam getah sa-mula.
Saya mengu- chapkan banyak terima kaseh kapada Kerajaan kerana menguntokkan wang sa-banyak $44,000,000 untok menanam getah sa-mula.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya telah banyak kali berchakap perkara ini dalam Dewan mi.

Dalam ranchangan menanam getah sa-mula ini ada dua perkara.

Yang pertama, menanam sa-mula sa-bagaimana yang saya katakan tidak dapat di-buat oleh pekebun kechil.
Dan sa-lepas daripada itu Kerajaan sendiri telah membuat satu Undang2, is-itu pekebun kechil yang kurang 5 ekar tanah-nya di- bolehkan mendapat tanah baharu dan di-beri bantuan daripada peruntokan ini sa-banyak $600 sa-ekar.

Tetapi malang-nya, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, pada hari ini duit2 pertolongan daripada Kerajaan itu dan duit2 simpanan pekebun kechil itu tidak dapat di-jalankan perusahaan2 mi.
Saya fikir is-lah di-sebabkan kerana susah hendak mendapatkan tanah, dan Kerajaan terpaksa menjalankan Rural Development di-dalam usaha memin- dahkan memberi tanah kapada orange miskin; akan tetapi saya fikir kerana negeri ini tidak bersangkut-pact dengan bantuan wang dan patut-lah pekebun2 kechil yang sa-umpama itu kita bahagi- kan juga layanan dan bagi juga per- untokan kapada mereka itu supaya boleh mereka itu bekerja dengan sendiri dengan bantuan yang telah ada di- hadapan kita.
Yang ketiga, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berkenaan dengan ranchangan bertanam sa-mula ini saya dapati dalam kita membinchangkan anggaran perbelan- jaan pada dua bulan yang lalu, sa-orang daripada sahabat saya Ahli Yang Berhormat wakil daripada 511 25 APRIL 1961 512 Kemaman telah meminta Kerajaan For example, the Honourable the memalayanisekan Board Bertanam Sa- Prime Minister has said that $1,000,000 mula, tetapi sampai-lah hari ini saya is to be spent on the building of a tidak nampak apa-kah tindakan Kera- jaan atau pun Menteri Perusahaan berkenaan dengan permintaan itu.
Oleh kerana saya nampak pekerjaan yang di-buat oleh sa-orang expatriate itu sengaj a di-lambat2kan perusahaan itu maka saya menyokong permintaan memorial and that it is only a tiny drop of water in a big ocean ; and using that as a standard of measure- ment, then many of the important economic schemes are being given just tiny drops of water.

We find that coconut rehabilitation and replanting daripada Ahli Yang Berhormat is given only $1,000,000 that is one daripada Kemaman itu.
Saya harap memalayanisekan itu patut-lah di- segerakan.

Berkenaan dengan dasar ranchangan Pembangunan Luar Bandar itu maka suka-lah juga saya mengingatkan ka- pada Menteri2 yang bersangkutan is-itu ada-lah Buku Merah itu di-isi oleh Jawatan-Kuasa Tempatan, maka tentu-lah Kerajaan berkehendakkan kerjasama daripada Jawatan2-kuasa District pada menjayakan kerja2 itu.
Saya dapati pandangan dan fikiran2 dan keputusan2 yang di-buat oleh Jawatan-Kuasa District itu yang telah memikirkan dengan tenang tentang bantuan satu2 tempat itu, tetapi apa- bila sampai di-State Development atau Federal Development perkara itu di- ubah2, j adi ini tidak-lah memuaskan hati Jawatan-Kuasa District yang mana mereka itu juga pergi ka-tiap2 kampong mencheritakan apa-kah ha1- nya yang mereka sudah buat.

Jadi nampak-lah saya bahawa perkara2 ini tidak akan menyenangkan hati ra`ayat di-kampong2.
Kita hendak- lah mengadakan kerjasama daripada Jawatan-Kuasa Pembangunan Luar Bandar State dan Federal, kalau tidak tentu-lah sukar sadikit hendak menjalankan ranchangan2 kita mi.

Itu-lah sahaja, Tuan Yang di- Pertua.


Enche' Lin Yoong Peng: Mr. Speaker, Sir, although we see that under the Rural Development Esti- mates there is provision for the spending of more than $400 million, but in view of the fact that the Government is putting such a big emphasis on rural development, I would say that the Estimates do not quite bear out that sufficient emphasis tiny drop of water in a big ocean.
Sir, we know that the problem of coconut rehabilitation in Malaya now- adays is very acute, because there is such a shortage of copra and coconuts ; and we also know that the coconut trees, many of them, are already quite old.

Therefore, this matter needs urgent attention.

I also see that on all the schemes in respect of coconuts the amount to be spent is $1,138,000-slightly more than a drop of water.
Then I notice in respect of padi schemes, the money to be spent for planting padi itself, the total amount is $1,742,750 not more than two drops of water.

Now, I wish to point out that there are certain projects such as the International Airport in Kuala Lumpur, the estimates for this year is $6,389,000.

Whereas, against this figure we find that for Fisheries, under the Ministry of Agriculture and Co- operatives, only $3,838,875 is pro- vided to be spent on Fisheries.
Under the Ministry of Works in respect of Water Supplies only $4,640,604 are to be spent on water supplies.

Therefore, all these figures fall far short of the money that is to be spent on the International Airport alone, counting them individually.
For the irrigation projects, I have added all the projects which I can understand as irrigation, I notice that the figure to be spent is $3,826,804 at any rate I would say not more than $4,000,000 and this is definitely much less than the amount to be spent on the International Air- port.

So, from this, I can safely say that the Government is not placing sufficient emphasis on rural development projects or rural economy.

Now, I turn to another question is being placed on rural development.
about pineapples.

This problem has 513 25 APRIL 1961 514 been mentioned by me, but it was not mereka menghantar anak2 mereka ka- answered by the Honourable Minister bandar itu is-lah oleh kerana terutama concerned.
I notice that a sum of sa-kali kerana tarekan2 daripada $2,500,000 is going to be spent on a bangunan2 dan guru2 yang mengajar di- factory, and I wonder whether it sekolah dalam Bandar ada-lah lebeh includes facilities for the production of memuaskan hati mereka daripada guru2 byproducts from pineapples.

I think yang ada di-luar bandar.

Maka kalau that is all I have to say at the moment.
kita perhatikan kapada kekurangan2 Enche' Othman bin Abdullah (Tanah MMerah) : Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di- hadapan kita sekarang ini ada estimate pembangunan yang telah di-kemukakan oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Ke- wangan dan di-sokong oleh Yang Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri.

Pada keselurohan-nya Development Estimates ini ada-lah merupakan estimate pembangunan baik di-dalam mahu pun di-luar Bandar.

Di-dalam bandar atau di-luar bandar ada-lah semua-nya terkandong dalam Develop- ment Estimates ini.
Di-dalam mem- bahathkan perkara2 pokok daripada anggaran perbelanj aan di-dalam dan d1-luar bandar, saya menarek perhatian Menteri yang bersangkutan is-itu dalam Ranchangan Pembangunan Luar Bandar yang menjadi pokok daripada usaha2 Kementerian Luar Bandar ini saya berpendapat bahawa perkara2 yang penting sa-kali bagi melancharkan ikhtiar2 dalam kawasan luar Bandar ini sa-lain daripada apa yang tertulis di- dala.m ranchangan Buku Mrrah, maka pada pendapat saya perkara yang mustahak sa-kali is-lah menampong kekurangan2 pelajaran pada anak2 kita di-kampong2.
Kita tahu bahawa ke- kurangan2 pelajaran kapada anak2 kita di-kampong2 itu akan menyebabkan.
perjalanan kemajuan kapada pem- bangunan negeri ini akan tergalang, sebab, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-lain daripada pembangunan yang kita sediakan di-Bandar terhadap penam- pongan anak2 kita dalam soal pelajaran amat-lah manarek perhatian kita mithal-nya dengan ada-nya bangunan2 dan sekolah2 yang dapat memberikan dan dapat menerima pelajar2 itu di-sekolah2 dalam Bandar sa-hingga bangunan2 di-bandar itu ada-lah ma- narek perhatian orange di-luar Bandar dan dengan yang demikian banyak pula di-antara mereka itu yang menghantar anak2 mereka belajar di-bandar.
Sebab2 pembangunan sekolah2 di-luar bandar, kata-lah sekolah2 yang jauh di-kam- pong2 telah menyebabkan ibu bapa dan anak2 kita bila melihat bangunan sekolah itu sendiri telah tawar hati-nya dan menyebabkan malas anak2 kita itu belajar di-sekolah2 itu sa-lain daripada atap yang telah bochor dan lantai yang telah lapok dengan ta' bersimin pula kadang2, dan bagitu juga rumah guru yang tidak sempurna bagi kedudokan guru2 itu sendiri yang menyebabkan pelajaran kapada anak2 itu tidak-lah dapat memuaskan, walau pun tadi kita telah mendengar bahawa Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Lipis mengatakan tidak puas Kati-nya terhadap usaha2 melak- sanakan dan menchapai tujuan ranchangan di-luar bandar dan apa yang di-buat oleh Jawatan-Kuasa Daerah itu tidak di-laksanakan untok ranchangan2 yang tersebut.
Maka nyata-lah sa-kali meleset-nya kalau sa- kira-nya Ranchangan Pembangunan Luar Bandar ini tidak mengikut apa yang tertulis dengan kehendak2 Jawatan-Kuasa Luar Bandar itu sendiri maka kita berpendapat bahawa segala usaha2 itu tidak akan dapat memuaskan pendudok2 dalam kawasan itu.
Maka demikian juga hal-nya, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, kapada sekolah2 yang saya sebutkan tadi terutama sa-kali dalam kawasan yang ta' ada j alan yang baik dan anak2 kita ada yang sampai berjalan kaki 4 batu jauh-nya daripada rumah ka-sekolah, dan sudah-lah demikian hal- nya bangunan sekolah itu sendiri tidak memberi kesihatan kapada anak2 yang belajar di-situ.
Saya pernah melawat ka-kawasan2 luar Bandar terutama-nya kawasan luar bandar di-pantai timor kalau kita hendak melawat ka-sekolah itu terpaksa kita melalui hutan2 baharu-lah kita sampai ka-sekolah itu.
Anak2 yang belajar di-situ sa-lain dari- pada kaki-nya tidak berkasut, baju-nya tidak sempurna maka guru yang mengajar di-situ juga tidak dapat 515 25 APRIL 1961 516 berbuat apa2 terutama-nya sa-kali bantuan dan sokongan dari Kemente- rumah sekolah itu sendiri, kalau kita rian Pelajaran negeri ini, maka saya tengok rumah sekolah itu amat-lah menyedehkan dan bagitu juga kalau kita tengok rumah guru, hanya ber- lantaikan kulit2 kayu dan bagitu juga dinding-nya daripada kulit2 kayu, memandang sa-lama Sekolah' Ra`ayat saperti itu tidak mendapat perhatian yang kuat dari Kementerian ini maka penampongan sekolah2 rendah kapada anak2 kita itu akan sa-lama2-nya kerana rumah2 Sekolah itu terpenchil terchichir.
dari bandar.

Maka dengan kesan saperti itu dapat-lah kita tengok apa- kah hasil-nya usaha pembangunan kita dalam bandar dan usaha kita di-luar bandar maka nyata nanti hasil-nya ia- lah perbezaan di-antara anak2 kita yang belajar di-luar bandar dengan anak2 kita yang belajar dalam bandar.
Kalau sa-kira-nya kita hendak meng- saimbangkan hidup mereka itu masa akan datang supaya anak2 kita di-luar bandar itu dapat juga merasa rahmat- nya apa yang di-harapkan-nya tidak- lah sa-umpama kata Ahli dari Kemaman pada suatu masa dahulu is mengharapkan ayer sa-titek ayes itu tidak kunjong datang.

Maka sa-kira- nya hal ini berlaku saperti apa yang di- sebutkan oleh wakil dari Lipis itu hanya mengharapkan ayer, ayer itu ada juga datang-nya tetapi titek-nya tempat lain.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Primary School atau Sekolah Permulaan Kampong.. .

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Mr. Speaker : Banyak sangat di- ulang2kan perkara itu itu akan meng- hilangkan masa.

Mengulangkan sa- suatu perkara itu akan menghilangkan masa Majlis ini dan lagi saya hendak mengingatkan perkara itu sudah di- bahathkan 4 hari 4 malam sa-masa kita membahathkan titah di-raja dahulu.

Tolong pendekkan sedikit.


Enche' Othman bin Abdullah (Tanah Merah): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam anggaran ini ada tersebut berkenaan dengan Sekolah Ra`ayat.

Sekolah Ra`ayat pada pendapat saya is-lah sekolah yang di-buat atau yang di- bangunkan oleh ra`ayat yang belum lagi di-terima oleh Kementerian Pelajaran supaya sekolah itu di-dirikan dan di-belanj ai oleh Kementerian ini sendiri.
Di-pantai timor kita akan dapat berjumpa banyak sekolah2 ra`ayat dan sekolah2 itu mengharapkan Satu hal yang patut saya kemukakan di-sini sa-lain daripada itu is-lah tentang hostel kapada anak2 kita yang berada di-Indonesia yang pada suatu masa dahulu kita telah di-desak supaya sa-buah hostel di-dirikan bagi pelajar2 Malaya di-Indonesia itu dan di-sini kita telah pun memberi peruntokan sa-buah hostel kapada pelajar2 di-Cairo maka alang-kah baik-nya kalau pelajar2 kita di-Indonesia yang bagitu banyak jumlah-nya yang mengharapkan ban- tuan dari Kementerian dan Kerajaan kita supaya Kerajaan dapat mengada- kan sa-buah bangunan untok mereka itu supaya mereka dapat bertukar2 fikiran dan bersama2 tinggal di-sabuah rumah di-Indonesia di-mana mereka itu^ belajar di-university2 Indonesia, maka akan besar-lah faedah-nya kapada pelajar2 di-sana.
Tidak banyak perkara2 yang hendak saya sebutkan di-sini hanya satu hal yang patut di-ambil perhatian oleh Kementerian Kerja Raya is-itu baharu2 ini telah terj adi, satu kej adian kemalangan ferry dekat Kuala Treng- ganu di-mana ferry itu telah tenggelam.

dan telah membahayakan dua tiga buah kereta dan juga beberapa buah baisikal telah masok ka-dalam sungai dan tenggelam bersama2 ferry itu.
Saya tidak menudoh apa-kah yang telah berlaku da1^ m kemalangan, yang saperti itu, tetapi; kits dapat mengagak bahawa ferry yang di-gunakan itu telah terlalu tua, dan oleh sebab itu bila di-isi dengan kereta, barangkali kereta dalam ferry itu hebeh maka i.a telah tenggelam.

Pada pendapat saya Menteri yang berkenaan patut-lah me- ngambil perhatian yang berat dalam soal mi.
Dalam negeri Trengganu kerapkali benar berlaku ferry2 ini mengambil nyawa ra`ayat, ferry Dungun telah mengambil berpuloh2 nyawa ra`ayat, dan sekarang ini ada lagi 517 25 APRIL 1961 518 ferry2 yang chuba menenggelamkan kereta2.

Dan kita harap dengan ada- nya Kementerian mengambil berat dan menukarkan ferry itu dengan ferry yang baik walau pun tidak di-tukar dengan sa-buah jambatan, maka akan banyak-lah faedah-nya.

Pada akhir-nya, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, berkenaan dengan hospital baharu.
Nampak-nya tentang hospital baharu ini ada-fah membaiki' hospital yang memang sudah ada saperti mana mengikut Titah di-Raja.

Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang penting bagi saya sekarang ini bukan-lah membaiki hospital yang memang sudah ada, tetapi mendirikan hospital yang tidak ada dan yang belum ada, dan dengan yang demikian dapat-fah pula menam- pong kesehatan ra`ayat di-luar bandar.
Saya rasa, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, itu-i.ah sahaja yang dapat saya kemuka- kan dan mudah2an Kementerian yang berkenaan dapat mengambil perhatian di-atas hal` yang saya sebutkan itu.

Enche' Abdul Ghani bin Ishak (Malacca Utara): Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya bangun menyokong dan menguchapkan tahniah kapada Menteri Kewangan yang telah membentangkan Anggaran Perbelanjaan 1961 yang ada di-hadapan kita mi.
Nampak-nya dari- pada apa yang di-untokkan pada Pembangunar Negara^ sama ada, luar bandar mahu pun dalam bandar ada- lah sa-imbang.

Pada pendapat saya sendiri sangat-lah berlawananr dengan pendapat yang di-keluarkan oleh Ahli2 Yang Berhormat dari Damansara dan Rawang yang mengatakan kita menitekberatkan kapada perkara yang kurang menafa`at atau kurang memberi faedah kapada ra`ayat luar bandar.
Mereka hanya membanding atau memandang sa-belah j urusan ma.ta sahaja, kerana mereka nampak di- bandar hendak di-dirikan Bangunan Parlimen, hendak mendirikan Tugu Negara, tetapi mereka lupa Anggaran Perbelanjaan 1961 yang berjumlah $450,283,020 itu dalam-nya termasok semua perkembangan.

Dalam soal ini kita tidak boleh mengikut f ahaman yang di-suarakar oleh Barisan Sosialis khas-nya yang mengatakan peruntokan wang bagi perikanan tidak chukup dan patut-lah di-tambah daripada wang Tugu Negara.
Saya rasa kalau bagini- lah keadaan-nya satu kerja pun tidak boleh buat, kerana kita longgokkan umpama-nya beratus juta ringgit kapada satu tempat, maka kita tidak boleh membena dalam tahun 1961 benda2 yang di-sebutkan itu.
Anggaran Perbelanjaan yang di-buat oleh Kerajaan Perikatan yang saya sokong ini kerana sudah di-agak atau sudah di-susun, maka dalam tahun 1961 segala tenaga yang ada4 pada kita, kaki-tangan Kerajaan yang ada pada kita benda itu hendak di-buat untok menghasilkan atau pun untok menjaya- kan chita2 ini-lah dia benda-nya.

Maka dengan ini saya; sa-kali lagi menyokong dan mengalu2kan Anggaran Perbelanja- an 1961 untok kemajuan negara kita mi.
Dalam hal ini kita patut tahu is-itu bagi pehak Kerajaan tentu tidak dapat memberi atau menguntokkan wang kapada ra`ayat atau tidak tergamak memberi segala kemahuan ra`ayat.
Tetapi dalam atoran atau susunan kerj a kits saya rasa benda yang di- chadangkan ini, umpama-nya, membuat tali-ayer ka-sawah, yang berkehendak- kan ayer itu kita adakan, bukan-kah ini menguntongkan ra`ayat, bukan-kah ini juga akan dapat mendirikan sub- kelinik dengan banyak di-luar Bandar, bukan-kah Benda ini juga dapat di- gunakan oleh pehak sekolah sa-bagai- mana yang di-suarakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Tariah Merah?
Saya suka menyatakan di-sini kalau di-lihat dalam negeri Melaka dalam tahun 1960 sahaja 84 bilek Sekolah Rendah telah dapat di-dirikan, dan ada di-antara sekolah sekarang' yang dahulu-nya tidak pernah masok paip ayer, sekarang; sudah masok paip ayer, yang dahulu-nya tidak ada j amban tarek sekolah Meiayu khas-nya, sekarang sudah ada.

Maka bukan-kah aliran2 atau arahanini kita tujukan untok meninggikan keadaan hidup ra`ayat di-kampong dengan ada-nya ranchangan yang kita susun ini ?
Dan sa-kali lagi saya tegaskan, saya tidak akan menyokong kalau umpama-nya di-buat satu Anggaran Perbelanjaan dengan tergopoh2 atau di-longgokkan 519 25 APRIL 1961 520 pads, tempat2 yang tidak menasabah, kerana kita tahu wang ra`ayat yang kita gunakan; itu tidak akan selamat kalau chara-nya tergopoh2 atau tidak mempunya:i susunan yang tertentu saperti; ranchangan yang di-chadangkan oleh pehak yang bertentangan itu.
Sa-takat ini-lah sahaja pandangan saya pada menyokong Anggaran Per- belanjaan 1961 yang di-bentangkan oleh Menteri Kewangan itu.

Che' Khadijah binti Mohd.

Sidek (Dungun) : Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak berchakap sadikit berkenaan dengan Kementerian Perdagangan dan Perusahaan.

Perbelanjaan yang di- untokkan, kapada Kementerian ini.

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Mr. Speaker : Saya baharu mengi- ngatkan tadi kita akan sampai kapada Jawatan-Kuasa.
Apabila bersidang sa- chara Jawatan-Kuasa tiap2 bab yang ada dalam Anggaran Perbelanj aan ini akan di-kemukakan bagi di-bahath, dan tiap2 perkara.

itu Ahli2 Yang Berhormat boleh berchakap.

Dasar `am kita telah luluskan.

Saya suka hendak memberi, pandangan, kalau Ahli2 Yang Berhormat hendak berchakap, ber- chakap-lah apa yang telah di-chakap- kan oleh Menteri Kewangan dan uchapan Timbalan Perdana Menteri yang; menyokong usul ini.

Dengan jalan itu kita boleh memendekkan masc.


Che' Khadijah : Saya hendak ber- chakap sa-chara `am, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, dalam soal Kementerian mi.

Saya merasa besar hati kerana peruntokan Kementerian ini untok membena dan akan menyokong usaha ra`ayat negeri ini dalam hat industry.
Sa-bagaimana yang kita ketahui usaha ra`ayat negeri ini ternama dan di- agong2kan oleh pemerentah is-itu usaha dari Pantai Timor is-itu dengan kain songket-nya, dengan keris-nya dan pekerj aan tangan perak dan tembaga dan anyaman dan segala-nya, saya harap Kementerian yang berkenaan dapat betul2 memajukan usaha ra`ayat ini supaya dapat di-banggakan sa-chara besar2an di-luar negeri.
Dalam Kementerian Pelaj aran saya harap di-adakan peruntokan untok murid2 Melayu yang kelemahan-nya sekarang heboh dalam surat khabar.

Saya rasa satu daripada kelemahan itu ada-lah?

di-sebabkan anak2 yang tinggal j auh daripada sekolah, ibu-bapa-nya tompangkan di-rumah kawan2-nya dan membayar makan di-rumah orang itu.

Alang-kah bagus-nya kalau pehak Kerajaan membuat rumah tompangan bagi murid2 yang tinggal j auh dari sekolah itu.
Mithal-nya, dalam kawasan saya di-Dungun muridz daripada; Bukit Besi datang ka-Dungun dengan menaiki keretapi yang sangat kechil dan mer- bahaya dan jauh pula.

Saya harap Kementerian Pelajaran akan mengada- kan rumah tompangan bagi murid2 yang datang dari Bukit Besi ka- Dungun itu guna bagi keselamatan anak2 kita dan bagi menambah kecher- gasan anak2 itu kerana rumah tom- pangan itu terator.

Satu lagi kelemahan bagi anak2 Melayu kits is-lah kekurangan makan Vitamin.
Kerana kebanyakan ibu2 bapa mereka itu tidak mempunyai wang.

Saya harap Kementerian Kesihatan akan memberi makanan2 yang berzat kapada kanak2 sekolah di-luar bandar supaya kesihatan mereka itu bertam- bah baik lagi.

Kerana kalau anak2 kita sehat tuboh badan-nya maka otak- nya pun akan turut sehat.
Sa-lain daripada itu saya berharap Kementerian Kesihatan supaya menam- bahkan lagi kaki-tangan Hospital Dungun; kerana saya lihat orange yang datang berubat dari kampong sangat banyak hingga tidak terlayan oleh kaki-tangan di-Hospital itu.

Enche' Tan Slew Sin: On a point of order, Sir.

The Honourable Member is going to detail and I think she has not heeded your instruction that she should not go into details.
Mr. Speaker : If she is going outside the policy of the service for which money is provided, I will stop her.

(To Che' Khadi jah).

Semua perkara yang di-sebutkan is-lah perkara mem- bahathkan Titah di-Raja, jadi Benda itu berulang2.

Rasa saya sudah ramai yang berchakap fasal itu.

Saya telah menghitong sudah 58 orang yang berchakap berkenaan dengan Titah di-Raja.

521 25 APRIL 1961 522 Che' Khadijah binti Mohd.


Sidek : Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam anggaran perbelanj aan itu saya minta supaya berkenaan jangan-lah anggaran per- belanjaan tahun 1961 ini berkenaan dengan paip yang telah di-luluskan bahagian tersebut anggaran ini di- oleh Dewan ini dan pekerj aan2 itu untokkan di-sana.
Tuan Yang di- hendak-lah di-habiskan juga dalam Pertua, bahagian Pas dan Talikom dan tahun 1961 ini dan j angan-lah di- Government Office atau Government anggarkan bagi tahun 1961 tetapi Building saya telah lihat, Tuan Yang pekerjaan2 itu di-buat pada tahun 1962 di-Pertua, sudah banyak saya jalani atau pun 1963. tempat2 di-dalam Persekutuan ini tidak a,da-lah Government Office sa-burok yang di-dalam kawasan saya is-itu rumah yang sangat burok.
Oleh itu saya minta beri-lah kami di-Dungun satu Government Office yang baharu yang dapat sa-rupa dengan kawan2 atau rakan2 di-seluroh Persekutuan Tanah Melayu.

Di-dalam soal Talikom supaya di- beri Public Taliphone sa-bagaimana negeri Trengganu itu antara-nya ber- puloh2 bate tidak ada satu pun Public Taliphone, kalau sa-kira-nya terj adi satu2 hal berlaku di-tengah2 malam atau pelanggaran apa2 j auh untok memberitahu kapada Hospital atau di-tempat Polis.

Sakian-lah sahaja, terima kaseh.


EncheY ' `Abdul Rauf bin A. Rahman (Kerian Laut) : Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berdiri ada-lah menyokong usul yang di-kemukakan oleh Menteri tadi di-atas anggaran perbelanjaan tahun 1961 mi.

Saya berpendapat ada-lah apa yang di-tulis di-dalam buku nggara^ iperbelanjaan bagi tahun 1961 itu dapM lah faedah2 di-atas anggaran belanja itu di-dapati oleh ra`ayat negeri mi.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua saya tertarek hati sadikit is-itu berkenaan dengan water supply sa-bagaimana yang ada di-dalam ranchangan itu boleh di- Sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya suka hendak berchakap sadikit berkenaan dengan titi atau pun jambatan.

Saya lagi ingat is-itu dalam Dewan ini juga saya ada berchakap berkenaan dengan satu jambatan is-itu menyambongkan pekan Pant Buntar dengan Bandar Baharu, ada-lah keadaan orange yang menyeberang itu hanya menggunakan sampan kuda sahaja.
Jadi saya harap-lah kapada Menteri yang berkenaan chari-lah jalan dengan.

apa chara jua pun untok mengadakan titi atau jambatan di- Pant Buntar dengan Bandar Baharu itu dan jika tidak boleh membuat titi atau jambatan yang sa-benar-nya, buat- lah kata orange di-Krian atau pun kata orang Utara Malaya, buat-lah titi timbul, sa-bagaimana titi yang ada di- Permatang Pauh, Seberang Prai itu.
Dato' Yang di-Pertua saya ulangi sa- kali lagi is-itu berkenaan dengan di- kawasan saya bagi mendapatkan ayer itu sangat-lah sudah-nya kerana boleh di-katakan 100% di-kawasan saya itu tidak boleh di-buat perigi, akan tetapi di-tempat2 lain boleh juga di-buat perigi, di-tempat saya kalau pun boleti di-buat perigi tetapi ayer-nya jangan- kan hendak di-buat minum, hendak di- buat mandi pun tidak boleh.

Sakian, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.


Enche' Tan Phork Kin (Tanjong) : katakan tiap2 negeri ada mempunyai Mr. Speaker, Sir, we are here tonight peruntokan berkenaan dengan water to discuss the Development Estimates supply.

Berkenaan dengan bekalan of 1961, four months after the com- ayer ini bukan sahaja di-kawasan saya mencement of the year.

We are told tetapi pada fikiran saya ada-lah di- that this is part of the Five-Year seluroh Persekutuan Tanah Melayu Development Plan.
But the facts are as ini boleh di-katakan orange kampong follows.

This Plan is a co-ordination of di-luar bandar berkehendakkan dan haphazard suggestions made by the berhajat sangat bekalan ayer ini.

Jadi Government from time to time.

We dengan ada-lah ranchangan yang kita have in this Plan proposals which were anggarkan akan di-buat bagi, tahun ini put forward at the spur of the moment, saya berharap kapada Menteri yang proposals suggested at the whims and 523 25 APRIL 1961 524 fancies of Ministers .
In view of the allow themselves to run away with fact that we must have a Five-Year their enthusiasm, and feeling itself that Development Plan, efforts were made to co-ordinate all these little proposals into what is being described by our Minister as the Five-Year Development Plan.

These are the actual facts.


Even in speeches delivered at this House, it was pointed out to us very clearly that the Five-Year Development Plan will have to co-ordinate firstly the rural development plan, which was put forward very much earlier.

Because it was not possible to allow this House to consider the Five-Year Plan earlier, the provisional Estimates were put forward at the beginning of this year.
So, I submit that though this is des- cribed as a Plan, it is by no means a satisfactory Plan, because it will have to take into the Plan commitments that have already been made by Govern- ment, commitments that have not been considered in the light of the overall plan but which were put forward haphazardly as one item, because some Ministers fancy that it is a good thing to have such a thing.
So I express the hope that the Alliance Government will not repeat this very sorry spectacle again and that if they do propose, if they are in a position to come to this House again with another Five-Year Plan in the next five years, they will not make this miserable blunder again and that they will put forward a Plan well ahead before the time for the Plan to be implemented.

Coming now to the Plan itself, I must remind the Government of the problems of the First Development Plan.
When the First Development Plan was put forward, Government was rather ambitious, as they are now, and they were very confident that the Plan was put forward at a time when rubber prices were high and, if I am not mistaken, the Honourable the Minister of Finance has said this morning that he is confident that with the present prices of rubber there would be sufficient money for this Five-Year Plan.
However, he is quite entitled to they can get the money is not suffi- cient : they must be doubly sure that the money will be obtainable.
This is particularly important in view of the fact that they have stated here in the Treasury Memorandum, as far as the phasing of the Plan is concerned, as follows : "In submitting their phased programmes most Ministries provided for the bulk of the expenditure to be committed early in the five-year period, on the grounds that if plans were made to spread the work more equally over the five years the inevitable unforeseen snags and delays would almost certainly cause a substantial under -fulfilment of the programme."
So, on this particular point, one must be aware that with such a great sum of money being expended in the initial period, should the Government face a period of financial crisis, there will be a big problem facing the Government.

In the First Development Plan, we have heard of abortive works com- menced but uncompleted, and a lot of unnecessary funds being expended on them and wasted.

Secondly, there is the question of personnel.


I think from the experience of the First Plan, quite a number of projects had to be delayed because of the shortage of personnel.

It appears to me that the Government is rather ambitious in the hope of expending such large sums of money in the initial or first two years, but they are the people who should know about it, and I am merely giving them a warning.

The third problem also from the experience of the First Plan is the lack of co-ordination.
We have heard from the First Plan that very often certain projects were com- menced and certain machinery being ordered, but, before the projects were completed, the machinery arrived and so the Government was faced with the problem of where to place the machinery.

These are actual happen- ings and it is my earnest hope that they will not happen again.
However, in view of the fact that his views, but I would like to warn everything is being done so hapha- the Government that they must con- sider every Five-Year Plan most conservatively and that they should not zardly, it seems to me that I will not be overdoing my duty by repeating this warning here again.
From here, we can 525 25 APRIL 1961 526 see quite a number of prestige projects, projects which, in my view, were not envisaged by the planners, but projects that were introduced because of the whims and fancies of the Ministers.

A glance at the estimates will show us quite a number of these projects Parliament House and Stadium Negara are two very glaring examples.

Work on these projects was started even before we heard of the Development Estimates.
It seems to me that the Government, in putting forward pro- posals like this, should also consider whether the project will be fully utilised when it is completed.

It seems to me that, from our experience of the Merdeka.

Stadium, the Stadium Negara may not even be utilised to the extent of the Merdeka Stadium.
In considering this tonight, it is too late for me to put forward any proposals that it is no use having a Stadium Negara, because they have already constructed the Stadium Negara, and I do not know what is the hurry in constructing that stadium and they have constructed it without even calling for tenders.

Sir, these are well-known facts and tonight we are discussing lots of items in such categories.
Though it is put here for consideration by the House, though it is included here in the Esti- mates so that we can discuss every item in conjunction with other items, putting forward suggestions , which we may have, as to the necessity of certain items, and that if certain items are not necessary or if the expenditure appears to be too high, it is usually expected that as members of the Opposition, we are supposed to put forward our views and the Government, being a demo- cratic Government, will consider our views most objectively and if our pro- posals are very concrete and very useful, the Government will see their way to reduce the expenditure.
But I cannot see how this Government is going to do anything on such lines.

far as this country is concerned, we should not merely be concerned with the question of raising the standard of living of the people, but we must be concerned with another very important issue .
In the Gracious Speech of His Majesty, reference is made to the question of racial unity, and if Govern- ment is taking this particular problem very seriously in the Development Estimates, one should see projects which will work towards the integration of the people.
And on this I must say that I still have not discovered any project which will work towards that end, because in the various projects like rural development, housing, the build- ing of community centres, stress should be laid on the question of racial integration.

Sir, I will just put forward some examples.


It appears to me that parti- cularly in the sphere of rural develop- ment, this Government is concerned with land settlement; and also in the field of housing, attempts should be made to allow the various communities in this country to integrate in other words, to provide facilities for them to live together, to provide community centres where the different races can meet socially.
In housing, I would venture to suggest that as far as housing scheme is concerned, we should encourage various communities to live together rather than to have one section for Chinese, one section for Malays and one section for Indians, which will work contrary to the intention of the Government to integrate the people.

I think that in the various Ministries concerned, whether it be housing or land settlement, we should bear that in mind.
Until we carry out this policy conscientiously by providing facilities for the people to mix, mere talk of racial harmony will not bring us very far, and it is my earnest hope that Government will bear this in mind when they carry out the various pro- It appears to me that they are merely jects.

putting it here before the House and trying to convince us that it is necessary, without being able to give us all the facts.
Coming now to another criticism of the Development Plan, I feel that as On the question of rural development, I would like to draw the attention of Government to the fact that, though we talk of rural development generally in the country, the concentration of rural development work appears to me 527 25 APRIL 1961 528 to be in only a few States or, perhaps, I am not wrong when I say that it is being concentrated in one State.
As far as the State, where I come from, the Government's reply was that there is hardly any land that is referring to the Island of Penang.

So, as a result of that, it is not possible to have rural development in the Island of Penang and the net result will be that the people of Penang will not benefit by rural development.

To me, Sir, this is a very lame excuse.

If there is no land in Penang, surely, it is within the powers of the Government to acquire land.
If there is no Crown land, there is private land and it is within the powers of the Government to make compulsory acquisition of land for public purposes.

I sincerely hope and this is my appeal to the Ministry concerned that it will not allow that to stand in the way, because it will be unfair to the people of one particular State to be deprived of the opportunity of enjoying the benefits of rural deve- lopment, just because the Ministry feels that there is insufficient land in that particular place.
Further, I would appeal to the Minister concerned that he should not concentrate rural development parti- cularly to any one State alone.

Afterall, the Plan is meant to benefit the people of this country as a whole ; and besides we in this Parliament are concerned with the whole of the Federation and we should forget that we belong to this State or that State and as such we should only assist this or that State.
Therefore, I hope, that the Minister concerned will bear all these in mind when he implements the Plan.

Enche' Tan Slew Sin: Mr .

Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Member for Besut has appealed to the Government to give a fairer allocation to the States.
I should remind him that under the Constitution, Article 109 to be precise, there is a formula for the calculation of the capitation grant and the road maintenance grant to the various States of the Federation and, therefore, it is not possible for the Federal Govern- ment to show any discrimination for or against any particular State.

These two grants form the major part of the financial assistance given by the Federal Authority to the State Authorities.
There is, of course, the State Reserve Fund, but that provides only a very small proportion of the assistance so rendered.

In regard to the expenditure for capital development, my Honourable friend and colleague, the Deputy Prime Minister informed the House that the Federal Authority would be only too happy to receive the co-operation of the State Governments.

In this respect, I presume that the Honourable Member for Beuut in making this appeal had in mind the two States of Kelantan and Trengganu.
But I think it cannot be too strongly emphasised that co- operation is a two-way traffic and as far as the Federal Government is concerned the traffic is desirable and even welcomed, but reciprocal co- operation must come from the State Governments concerned themselves.
The Honourable Members of the Socialist Front, at least two of them in particular, have criticised the Govern- ment for giving what they regard as undue emphasis on non-productive or welfare projects on the one hand as against economic or productive projects on the other, and they have advised us that the emphasis should be on projects which can be revenue produc- ing, or can be economic, or can be productive.
The Government could not agree with them more in fact my Honourable friend, the Deputy Prime Minister emphasised this point when he introduced in February last the main Five-Year Plan.

In that speech he informed this House and the country that in point of fact more than 70 per cent of the total investment would be devoted to economic projects, some- thing like 25 per cent would be devoted to social welfare projects, and some- thing of the order of 5 per cent to Government projects.
It will, therefore, be seen that the Government has placed the correct emphasis on projects, which are likely to yield a return in the long run, and yet the Honourable Member for Damansara in the very same breath criticised the Government for not allocating enough money for social welfare.

Well, you cannot have it both 529 25 APRIL 1961 530 ways:: you cannot in one breath criticise Kuala Lumpur Airport is not capable the Government for giving insufficient of further expansion.
In the first place, emphasis on economic progress and in it is too near the town.

If we want to the very same breath criticise equally develop it into a really first-class jet severely for giving insufficient emphasis airport, it will not be possible for really on social welfare projects.
He also tall buildings to be erected within a stated that there was a tendency on the part of this Government to show off and I think this point was also made by the Honourable Member for radius of several miles from the Air- port, and that would include practically the whole of Kuala Lumpur.
However, it is the view of experts, of jet pilots, Tanjong in the sense that it was that the surrounding hills in Kuala concentrating too much on what he Lumpur are in fact a positive rick for calls "prestige projects".
Well, the only fast flying jet planes and that in this prestige projects that I can think of are modern age it would be extremely Parliament House, which will cost $10 dangerous for jet planes to land in this million, the National Museum, which area if the airport were to remain in will cost $12 million, and the Indoor its present site.

It is, therefore, clear Stadium, which will cost $22 million.
Altogether I do not think the Govern- ment will have spent more than $20 million in the next five years on prestige projects, and that will only come to one per cent of the total expenditure.

So I do not think he can that if we are to have a first-class air- port, which is worthy of a nation such as ours, it will be necessary to go elsewhere If we have got to go elsewhere, we might as well make a good job of it and put up a really first-class airport.
Even the World justifiably accuse the Government of Bank, which is very strict by any stan- spending too much on prestige projects.

dards, regards the airport as a com- The Honourable Member for Da- mansara also stated that one of the results of this Five-Year Plan would be that a few contractors would get rich at the expense of the masses.
No con- tractors will be used in rural develop- ment schemes and I believe in this respect he is referring to the Federal Land Development Authority sche- mes-apart from clearing work, and in that respect I think it is justifiable for the Government to employ con- tractors to clear the land, so that the settlers need not waste time clearing land when they come on to the scene.
Land clearing is not exactly an econo- mic activity, and if the Honourable Member thinks that it is so, the Government would welcome the arrival of himself and his colleagues4 at the jungle for that purpose.

(Laughter).

The Honourable Member for Bachok stated that an airport was unnecessary and I think he practically described it as a social welfare project.

I entirely disagree.


I do not see how you can describe an airport, which is a vital means of communication, especially in pletely and fully economic project.
The Honourable Member for Rawang, in an obvious effort, I think, to raise racial excitement, accused the Government of putting insufficient emphasis on rural development, I did a rapid calculation and, even in the few minutes in which I was able to do some work, I find that apart from the allo- cation to the Ministry of Rural Deve- lopment, which amounts to $25 million, a further sum of $165 million has been allocated to deal with rural develop- ment projects throughout the various Ministries.
If he had taken care to read the notes in the "Remarks" column of the Summary Section of the Ministry of Rural Development, he would find the following words : "Funds for rural development projects are also included under the Heads of the various Ministries concerned".

And I think every reasonable Honourable Member will agree with me that a total allocation of something like $190 million out of $455 million is a very reasonable proportion.
The Honourable Member for Tan- jong has stated that this Plan is a co- this modern age, as something which ordination of haphazard projects, which is unnecessary.

Let us remember that were conceived by Ministers hurriedly.

531 25 APRIL 1961 532 As far as my knowledge of the English development projects in only one State.

language goes, a haphazard co-ordina- That is completely untrue, and he has tion is a contradiction in terms.
You not one shred of evidence to support his cannot co-ordinate if it is haphazard.

allegations.

If he were to look at the On the other hand, if it is co-ordination, activities of the Land Development it cannot be haphazard.

He also accused the Government of not giving sufficient attention to the problem of racial integration in rural development projects.
We all know that the biggest factor in our rural develop- ment schemes is the various land settlement schemes put up by the Federal Land Development Authority.
I am informed by my Honourable friend and colleague, the Minister of Rural Development that in point of fact a conscious and determined effort is made in most rural development schemes to mix the races together; and the only case where they have not been mixed together, where the attempt has not been made, is in the East Coast States, because there most of the popu- lation belong to only one race, but in the other States there is .
a conscious attempt to bring the races together through the medium of these rural development projects.

For example, I can speak from personal knowledge of a rural development project which I myself visited and that is the Kemen- dore Land Development Scheme in Malacca.

The project covers 4,000 acres on which are settled 400 families are Malays and 200 families are Chinese.

So I think that there is really a serious and earnest attempt to bring the races together in these land development schemes.
I am tempted, in regard to the Honourable Member for Tanjong, to recall a certain story about a back bencher who wanted to make his maiden speech.

So he thought that it might be prudent to ask the advice of make his maiden speech.

The Prime Minister thought for a moment and then advised the back-bencher that it might sometimes be far better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

The Honourable Member for Tan- jong also stated that my Honourable friend, the Minister of Rural Develop- ment has concentrated his rural Authority, he will find that they are spread throughout the length and breadth of the Federation and I do not know how he arrived at that conclusion.

Other Honourable Members referred to various details in the Development Estimates.
I would not attempt in this general debate to reply to them, but I have no doubt that the Ministries con- cerned will take due note of them.

Question put, and agreed to.

House immediately resolves itself into a Committee of the whole House.

Development Estimates, 1961, con- sidered in the Committee.

(Mr. Speaker in the Chair) The Assistant Minister of the Interior (Enche' Mohamed Ismail) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the expenditure shown under Head 100 totalling $366,188 be approved.
The Minister of Justice (Tun Leong Yew Koh) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have little to say in presenting the develop- ment estimates so far as they relate to the Ministry of Justice.

Honourable Members will recollect that a sum of $1 million has been earmarked in the Second Five-Year Development Plan for the construction, improvement and replacement of court houses.
For firm projects, we are now asking for $4 million over the next five years, of which about half is expected to be expended over the next year or so.

Further projects will be added in due course in the light of actual costs on Speaking purely as Minister of Justice, I should be lacking in candour if I did not admit that I am sorry we have not had a bigger slice of the development cake.
We had hoped to demolish the very ancient and decrepit courts in Kuala Lumpur and build instead a Palace of Justice---a "Dewan Ke- `adilan" to house all the courts from Court of Appeal downwards under one roof.

This item has had to be deferred his Prime Minister, whether he should the eight projects listed.

533 25 APRIL 1961 534 for the future.

As Minister, I am sorry fikirkan, umpama-nya di-Pasir Puteh.
that that is the case; but as a Member Saya tengok court di-Pasir Puteh itu of the Cabinet in which I share collec- sangat mendukachitakan jikalau hen- tive responsibility with other Minis- dak di-bandingkan burok-nya court ters I am sure that the decision not itu hanya-lah boleh di-bandingkan to proceed is the correct one.

The $24 dengan Post Office di-Pasir Puteh.


millions which the Palace of Justice Maka kita berharap pada masa yang would have cost is now available for akan datang dua tiga court lagi akan rural development elsewhere.

I am di-adakan di-sana.


Mudah2an court itu afraid the Magistrates and lawyers in tidak akan ramai orang pergi ka- Kuala Lumpur will just have to grin dalam-nya, sebab kejahatan orange itu and bear their discomfort for a few akan di-habiskan di-negeri Kelantan years more : and I am sure they will dan Trengganu.

do so willingly.

The Alliance Government has been accused of a sort of weird politico- financial "apartheid" in Kelantan.
Hon'ble members from that State will see that we are spending about $ million in all on building a new Supreme Court at Kota Bharu, and this building will also house the subordinate courts and allied adminis- trative offices.
And so let the Hon'ble Member for Bachok take heart (Laughter)-and, indeed for that matter, the Hon'ble Member for Ulu Kelantan also (Laughter) ; if they are so unfortunate as to find themselves arraigned before the High Court in Kelantan, they will find themselves in a tribunal appropriate to their high status; doubtless they will be able to retain the expert legal assistance of the Hon'ble and learned member for Kelantan Hilir.

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

Enche' Othman bin Abdullah (Perlis Utara) : Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya juga mengalu2kan peruntokan per- belanj aan yang di-bentangkan pada malam ini terutama mengenai Court House, Kangar, Perlis.

Kalau ta' silap pada meshuarat dahulu saya telah pun berchakap berkenaan dengan sa-buah Mahkamah di-Kangar, tetapi chadangan2 saya pada tahun yang lalu itu telah berjaya, dan di-sini saya uchapkan terima kaseh kapada Menteri yang berkenaan yang telah mengadakan peruntokan perbelanjaan tersebut itu.
Court House itu sedang di-bena di-bandar Kangar dengan agong dan megah-nya yang mana dapat-lah mengatasi segala kesulitan sa-bagaimana yang telah di-sebutkan pada masa yang lalu is-itu court tersebut itu letak-nya di-tepi jalan, sangat biseng bagi lalu lintas pada tiap2 hari.
Jadi sa-kali lagi saya uchapkan Enche' Zulkifiee bin Muhammad: terima kaseh di-atas peruntokan saperti Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-bagai meng- itu dan di-harap court yang baharu ini hormati uchapan Menteri Ke`adilan akan dapat di-bena dengan sa-berapa supaya j angan hilang uchapan-nya itu segara-nya da.n di-siapkan pada tahun bagus-lah dan di-uchapkan berbanyak ini juga.

terima kaseh.
terima kaseh.

Jadi dengan ada-nya rumah Court House, Kota Bharu yang memakan belanja sa-banyak $100,000 pada tahun ini maka kita berharap collective responsibilities atau taraf bersama yang betul sa-kali bagi Kementerian Ke`adilan patut-lah di- Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $366,188 for Head 100 agreed to stand part of the Develop- ment Estimates.

Adjourned at 11.00 p.m.