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Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF SEYCHELLES nou ti terminen yer apre midi.

Minis.

Wednesday 25th May, 2022 The Assembly met at 9.03am National Anthem Moment of Reflection Mr Speaker is the Chair MR SPEAKER Bonzour tou Manm Onorab.

Bonzour nou staff e bonzour nou piblik a lekout.

Byenveni pou nou travay, pou ozordi nou pe kontinyen avek Bill Fair Trading Commission.

Madanm raporter i ava apel Minis e son delegasyon silvouple.
Bonzour Minis Naadir Hassan, Minis pou Finans National Planning and Trade.

E bonzour osi ou bann zofisye Mr Ronald Cafrine, PS pou Trade Department Mr Francis Lebon CEO Fair Trading Commission Edmond Mrs Deputy Chief Executive Officer Fair Trading Commission ganny e reprezantan AG’s Office pli tar dan bomaten.

Nathalie kapab nou'n Minis nou ariv lo pwen pou ou fer ou repons lo deba ki MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Mr Speaker, tou bann Manm Onorab.

E tou manm piblik a lekout, bonzour.


Mr Speaker, premyerman mon ti a kontan acknowledge sipor an gran mazorite ki bann Manm Lasanble in donnen pou sa Bill.

Sa Bill li menm li i en Lalwa, ki pou anmenn en kantite benefis pou pep Seselwa.

In terms of annan plis konpetisyon dan marse, proteksyon konsonmater.

E sa pou mwan ki Lasanble an antye in inifye pou donn sipor sa Bill, mon gran lankourazman, pou nou Fair Trading Commission li menm, li, dan son pou plis amenn konsonmater.
linisyativ pour benefis krwar en i Bomaten mon ti a kontan pran bann issues ki'n leve.

Mon a pran bann issues zeneral premye.

I annan bokou bann in pwen ki bann Manm mansyonnen ki’n repet son lekor, e osi mon a pran enn de pwen spesifik, ki serten Onorab in mansyonnen.

E si i annan okenn item ganny ki'n spesifik mansyonnen ki mon pa adrese, 1 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 CEO i ava adrese ler nou al dan Bills Committee.
Premye issue ki mon krwar bokou bann Manm in koz lo la se, ledikasyon lo sa Lalwa.

E sa mon krwar i en keksoz ki nou tou nou agree, ki i annan bann bon provizyon dan sa Lalwa.

Me enn, nou bezwen letan pou edik ;- enn pran konsonmater about son bann drwa.

E ki mannyer i servi sa Lalwa, pou li protez son lekor.

Me osi en pwen ki'n leve, se ki responsabilite konsonmater i annan li menm.

E ki mannyer li i empower son lekor, i enform son lekor ki i get the best deal.
So en kantite pouvwar ankor i reste dan lanmen konsonmater.

Me osi bann biznes ki sa Lalwa pou enpakte lo li, son responsabilite ki li i annan atraver bann konsonmater, sa osi i enportan.

E diskisyon ki nou’n fer avek Komisyon se ki zot pou gannyen bann resours pou fer sa bann ledikasyon.

E osi, i pou enportan ki i annan en dele letan, avan sa Lalwa i komans bite.

Again pou donn FTC sa letan pou la al edik diferan biznes.
So tou sa bann proposal ki'n ganny eksprimen yer dan diskisyon sa i bann keksoz ki definitivman, lo plan Fair Trading Commission.

Lo kote ki bann spesifik changes ki'n ganny fer dan sa Lalwa ki donn FTC ledan.

Mon krwar keksoz pli enportan, se setting up of the Tribinal li menm – ok?

E pli gran konplent ki ti annan se kantite letan, ki pran pou ganny en desizyon, pou ganny en ruling.

E ki i mannyer sa bann ruling binding lo bann dimoun.
E mon krwar bokou, leksperyans FTC ki bokou gannyen, lo sa dernyen bann lannen ki'n operate in baze pou li bouz dan sa direksyon pou li set up sa Tribinal.

So, annan en Mazistra ki son louvraz plen tan, se adres bann case pou Fair Trading, mon krwar sa i enn bann keksoz pli enportan ki'n sanze dan sa Lalwa.

En lot keksoz osi ki'n sanze se dan sa Lalwa i annan sa abilite, for administrative fines, ki bann aksyon ki kapab, ganny pran vit par Komisyon.

Me i osi annan compounding of offences.


Sa i trwa parmi bann, lezot plizyer lezot mezir ki annan.

E mon santi ki sa trwa pou vreman donn ledan Fair Trading Commission pou pran aksyon, e pran aksyon vit.

En trwazyenm issue ki'n bokou Manm in mansyonnen yer dan diskisyon se kartel.

Issue cartel, Lalwa 2 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 annefe Seksyon 55 dan sa Bill.

I adres issue cartel.

Ok?

Me Lalwa i la e parey nou'n diskit en kantite yer, se ki mannyer nou enforce Lalwa.
E la mon krwar kot, nou bezwen kontinyelman build kapasite FTC pou fer lenvestigasyon.

Ki kapab trouve, devan en Tribinal or devan Lakour, ki i annan kartel behavior.

Bokou letan, ki nou'n vwar se ki ler nou koz lo cartel behavior i bann anecdotal evidence, ki pa pou stand devan en Lakour.
nou bezwen So mon krwar la, bann clause, bann seksyon dan Lalwa in ganny strengthen, next step build investigating capacity dan SRC ek pou li osi kapab lyez ek diferan lezot regilater or Lazans pou kapab deal ek sa issue cartel.

In mansyonnen parey dan sekter retail.

E mon konnen poudir i annan, i annan serten behavior ki donn ou lendikasyon ki sa se bann behavior cartel.

Par egzanp, zis serten brand serten marsandiz ki ganny mete dan bann laboutik.

Sa i en konplent ki'n vin bokou.


Me sa i bann keksoz ki mwan personnelman mon pou take it up with FTC ki zot ganny sa resours pou zot kapab investigate.

E si sa bann practice i ganny prouve pou zot prosekite.

pwen Katriyenm pwen se lo kote enforcement.

E obviously sa bann ki mon’n mansyonnen lo kote kwa ki'n donn FTC plis ledan, sa osi pou ed issue enforcement, i investigate.

E i annan bann tools dan Lalwa, ki ed li pou pran aksyon.
li pou adres sa FTC ki Me enforcement li osi i pa senpleman pou vin zis en louvraz FTC, e sa kot nou pou bezwen improve, se ki mannyer bann diferan lazans pa travay in silos.

Me travay an zot kolaborasyon avek kanmarad pou pran enforcement.

Akoz FTC travay ek Customs, i bezwen travay ek SLA i bezwen travay ek Public Health.

Ek diferan Lazans, pour li ensure ki ler pou li pran aksyon ou investigate, i annan sa efficiency.
i bezwen So sa i en keksoz osi ki, mon pou ensiste ki i annan sa multi-agency approach pou lo kote enforcement or bann diferan Lalwa.

En lot issue, ki'n leve sa issue safety and standards.

Again i annan plizyer legzanp lo ki’n ganny mansyonnen.

E par egzanp si i annan bann bwat, bann tin ki’n kraze or i annan expiry date or labeling i mal - ou 3 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 konnen, again mon krwar i enportan ki en multi-agency approach i ganny pran.

I pa zis FTC.
I pa zis FTC.

Nou'n mansyonnen at the point of entry Customs i zwe son rol.

Me Customs lo li menm osi pa pou kapab adres tou issue.

Akoz i enposib pou ou verifye, tou marsandiz ki pe arive Sesel.

So i annan ki pou pase.

E sa ki pase Licensing, Public Health i fer son bann vizit.

Li osi i annan pouvwar pou pran aksyon, FTC i annan.

So ler tou sa Lazans i travay ansanm, sa i improve efficiency.

E i donn plis resours pou adres en problenm.

Mon pa bezwen pran tou resours, e duplicate louvraz.
Tou Lazans travay ansanm, i redwir need pou met least staffing dan en single agency.

So sa i enn bann pwen mon ti a kontan leve lo kote bann safety and standards.

specific Me en lot se ki bokou bann technical sector standard sa pou bezwen ganny issue par bann appropriate Lazans.

I annan ki pou ganny anba Health and issued, Public Health - Safetyb Authority.

Si i annan ki tonm lo kote electronics, e ki relye kekfwa avek bann wiring, bann keksoz koumsa, PUC pou bezwen update son bann standar.
I pou annan bann ki lo kote telecoms, sa DICT pou bezwen issue bann technical standards ki li STC li menm li i napa sa lekspertiz, pou fer.

Me i pou bezwen led bann lezot Lazans pou issue sa bann technical standards.

Me li ava ede pou enforce.

La mon bouz en pe lo bann pwen spesifik.

Ti annan en komanter lo bann unlicensed business.

Pou i definitivman lemoman sa ilegal.

Me selman nou bezwen pran en lapros balanse.

Akoz nou le nou dimoun i leve, i debourye.

I ganny en lavi.
I ganny en lavi.

E lapros ki nou devret pran se ki mannyer nou travay ek sa bann dimoun.

Fer monte zot standar ki zot meet bann health and safety standard.

So sa i en louvraz ki pou bezwen ganny fer avek Public Health Authority.

Ki nou pa vini dir ou non, pa fer, pa fer.

Me nou travay ek ou.

E si ou kapab meet bann standar health and safety, then ou a ganny en license.

So mon krwar en lapros, kolaborativ, en lapros konstriktiv, should be the right approach dan sa issue.
Ti annan en Onorab, ki ti mansyonn bann issue taxation ki enpakte lo plizoumwen lo pri lavi.

Ou konnen i annan en balans ki nou bezwen fer.

E sa i dilemma, ki en Minis Finans, i fer fas avek.

Se ki tou depans ki 4 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 ou bezwen fer, i annan en landrwa ou bezwen anmas sa larzan.

Ou pa kapab fer depans, me napa reveni pa antre.

Ok.
Ok.

So mon krwar nou bezwen, ler fer en diskisyon dan nou Lasanble, nou sa konprenezon, sa balans ki nou fer li dan en fason ki realistik.

Ok?

ganny So si lo en kote, pe dir Gouvernman ed plis lo welfare, fer monte saler.

Fer plis lakaz, fer plis semen, met plis lalimyer dan distrik, tousala i depans.

E ler i annan depans, i parey kot en lakour, ou bezwen annan reveni ki pe antre.

Me at the same time ou pa kapab dir ogmant depans, me ou dir redwir reveni.

Ou Bidze pa balanse.


E lala kot ou ariv dan det.

E si nou servi en legzanp, annan nou get ki pe arive Sri Lanka ozordi.

I en tipik legzanp kot ler ou napa bann Polisi Bidzeter responsab, ou end up dan problenm.

So, nou tou nou ti a kontan tax i desann, but bezwen unfortunately anmas tax, pou nou fer depans.

Lo kote online shopping, i annan en seksyon dan Lalwa.

seksyon 82, lo distance selling, ki fer bann provizyon, lo kote proteksyon for distance selling ki kouver online shopping.
nou Ti annan en kestyon lo, par egzanp bann counterfeit pharmaceuticals.

Sa again se en louvraz pou fer Public Health Authority avek Customs, pou adres sa issue.

Lo kote telecoms i annan bann komanter ki'n ganny pase lo kote telecoms.

E ki CEO in dir mwan se ki i annan en plan ki sa sector regulator, which is DICT, pou li issue bann technical regulation, regulate sa bann ki pou konsern ki'n leve yer.

en deal avek kestyon Lo kote advertising, ti lo annan advertising.
E sa Bill li menm li, i plizoumwen misleading advertising.

Ok?

Me kestyon ki leve yer se ki, advertising parey lo lalkol, lo sigaret lo bann prodwir ki nou dir i annan bann lefe advers, lo lasante, lo lakominote.

E sa mon krwar i bezwen, en policy direction, poudir i pa pou tonm dan Lalwa.

Me si nou pran en policy direction, nou poudir be nou pou ban advertising lalkol, or sigaret, then sa i avenir ki nou devret swiv pou fer li.

Lo kote, point of entry inspection, sa mon’n, mon’n adres sa issue.
Parey mon pe dir wi, Customs i bezwen ranforsi son control, at the point of entry, me li lo li menm i pa pou kapab adres tou issue.

Akoz Customs 5 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 pa verifye, each and every item ki pe antre dan pei.

So the multi- agency approach is the right way.

Lot kestyon ki ti releve se lo cash machine.

E parey mon ti anonse dan budget speech pou fer requirement ki tou retail shops i annan cash machines ek POS.

Sa i en louvraz ki Licensing pe fer aktyelman.


E ki pou vin an efe avan lafen peryod lannen.

Avek tranzitwar, pour serten bann kategori retail ki zot annan, as a minimum en cash machine e en point of sale.

Me sa pa pou tonm neseserman anba FTC me anba Licensing Authority anba Condition of a Retail License.

en lot En issue ki ti mansyonnen se VAT.

Wi mon a plizyer de fwa, ou vwar poudir serten biznes i advertise son pri i dir ou excluding VAT.
Me mwan mon krwar poudir as en konsonmater tou ou pri i sipoze sa pri ki ganny advertise, se sa pri ki pe al peye.

Savedir i sipoze ou pri inclusive of VAT.

Sa i en propozisyon ki mon met devan Komisyon in terms of advertising ki i kapab fer.

Lo kote, language requirement for GOP.

Sa i en issue ki Imigrasyon ek Lanplwa i bezwen adrese, ki bann standar ler en dimoun, par egzanp pe vin travay dan en laboutik, pe vin travay dan en take away - mon pa konnen.
Ki requirement, bann minimum kalifikasyon, ki annan langaz ki i koze.

Sa i pa pou tonm anba FTC, me anba sa de Minister.

Kestyon lo kote lasirans, ki'n leve sa i pa pou tonm anba FTC parey nou konnen.

I pou tonm anba The Financial Consumer Protection, ki tonm anba FSA.

Ti annan enn de komanter ki Leader Lopozisyon ti’n pase.

lenterferans dan Regarding Zidisyer.

Mon pa tro agree avek son pwennvi, ki i annan lenterferans.

Mon krwar, sa Bill i klerman state ziridiksyon bann diferan Lazans.
E mon pa tro vwar ki bor lenterferans dan Zidisyer i vini.

Lo issue, RRP e CEO i kapab konfirmen taler - RRP i en keksoz ki legal.

I pa biding, as son non i sizere.

I en Recommended - Recommended Retail Price.

I pa dir ou vann a sa pri, i rekomande, ki ou kapab annan sa pri.

So, la mon pa tro agree ek sa komanter ki'n ganny fer.

bann Ti annan enn lo seksyon, regarding exemption clause.

lo application of the Act ki donn Minis pouvwar pou exempt.
Zis pou klarifye sa pwen - sa pwen ti annan Wi 6 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 se ki si i annan en sekter ki - e sa nou pe koz en sekter, ouswa en lendistri, ki nou le exempt li from this Act.

E i pou annan son spesifik requirement, i donn Minis avek pouvwar pou li fer sa.

E les mwan eksplike practically, kan sa i kapab.

Si demen nou dir, ki sekter telecom, pou exempted from this Act, akoz i pou annan son Act spesifik ouswa, son framework spesifik, then sa exemption i vini.
E sa i kapab ganny adrese dan sa fason.

Ok?

kote Member disclosure, konsern ki Leader Lopozisyon ti mansyonnen, sa i ganny adrese dan seksyon 28 Ok?

E ti annan en lot konsern, vizavi public ek private hearing.

Sa i ganny adrese, dan seksyon 45.

Lo Mr Speaker mon krwar mon’n kouver mazorite pwen ki bann Manm in leve.

Me avek ou permisyon Mr Speaker, mon ti a kontan adres en pwen ki’n ganny link avek diskisyon lo sa Bill.

E sa pwen se cost of living ki, yer Onorab Uranie ti komans mansyonnen.
E ki mannyer sa Bill i annan lefe lo la.

Mr Speaker, ozordi nou tou nou bezwen acknowledge ki pli gran konsern Sesel, e dan lemonn antye, pou tou dimoun ki get nouvel mon krwar, i kler ki logmantasyon pri komodite i pli gran konsern ki annan.

E nou tou nou konnen akoz.

Mon pa bezwen al dan rezon.

I pa Gouvernman aktyel ki'n fer pri monte.

Sa i kler.

Mon krwar nou dan en delusion si nou pou krwar poudir pri mondyalman pa'n monte.

Mon kapab anvoy zot plizyer bann lartik, ki eksplike, ki pri in monte.
Akoz in monte, e ki nivo in monte.

So mon konnen i fasil pou blanm Gouvernman pou tou keksoz.

Me la realite i diferan.

So, ler mon tann serten Onorab, pe koz lo Seselwa ki pe soufer - i mwan osi mon santi.

E sa i keksoz ki kit mwan awake at night.

Sa i plis diskisyon ozordi dan dan Gouvernman, se ki mannyer nou pou redwir sa lenpak lo pri lavi ki pe monte?

Minister, e i en Sa ozordi konsern primordyal.

E mon konforte ki Onorab apre mon mazinen apre le 26 Oktob.
Li osi Le Saint Esprit in desann, in ekler li pou vwar ki Seselwa ti pe soufer lo pri lavi.

E - (Interruption) MR SPEAKER Silvouple!

Silvouple!

7 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 (Interruption) MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mr Speaker mon ti pe adres.

MR SPEAKER Stop!

Stop!

Mon a ekout Minis silvouple.

(Interruption) MR SPEAKER Onorab Pillay arete.

Onorab Pillay arête!

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mr Speaker mon ti pe adres, en komanter ki Onorab Uranie ti pase.
MR SPEAKER Ou permet - ou kapab.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN E mon konforte ozordi ki, zot in vwar sa lalimyer ki Seselwa ti pe soufer.

E i annan en problenm, cost of living Sesel.

Me napa en baton mazik pou adres sa problenm.

E Gouvernman, e mon konforte avek Mosyon, ki Onorab William pe anmennen, pou demann Gouvernman, ki i kapab fer, pou adres sa problenm.

E Gouvernman pe fer plizyer keksoz pou adres sa problenm.
Me mwan mon ti a kontan, envit Parti Lopozisyon dan en fason konstriktiv, pou donn propozisyon ki mannyer nou kapab adres sa problenm.

(APPLAUSE) MR SPEAKER Akoz Mr Speaker, koze, koze i fasil, kritik i fasil.

E mwan mon ti a kontan zwenn ek zot, pou zot donn mwan zot bann propozisyon.

(Interruption) MR SPEAKER Minis.

Minis.

Aret enn pti kou silvouple.

Onorab Pillay i fer, trwazyenm fwa ou enteronp Lasanble avek komanter.

Alor mon pe dir ou fodre ou arete.

Mersi.

Minis ou a kontinyen.


MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Wi Mr Speaker.

E wi nou Gouvernman dan sa bann semenn ki pe vini.

Pou annan bann mezir ki pou ganny anonse, pou ed kous nou popilasyon ki pli vilnerab.

I annan bann mezir ki'n deza ganny pran nou bann weights welfare.

Apre 10an in mont par 32poursan.

Nou annan PUC ki pe donn rebate, lo bann Bill pou bann dimoun mwen fortinen, e 8 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 en nou pou annan bann lezot mezir.
Me i enportan, pou nou ganny konversasyon balanse.

Ou konnen pou Gouvernman e mon’n mansyonnen, se ki tou ou depans ki Gouvernman i fer, i baze lo son abilite finansyer.

- E sa i en keksoz ki enportan e mon anvi emphasize sityasyon la.

Si nou lo ekonomik, sityasyon nou bidzeter pa ti’n stabilize.

E nou tou nou konnen, end of 2020, ki bor nou ti ete.

Mon pa pou pas ladan plizyer fwa mon’n explain, nou pei ti annan en det ki pa ti soutenab.
Bidze 20poursan defisit, e nou ti pou napa larzan pou ed dimoun.

Akoz Polisi responsab ki'n ganny pran par Gouvernman, pou re-anmenn nou Bidze dan soustenabilite, pou re-anmenn nou det dan soustenabilite.

Ozordi nou pou dan en pozisyon pou dimoun ki pli vilnerab.

bann Me si nou pa ti'n pran sa bann Polisi parey mon dir nou ti pou Sri Lanka ozordi.

Ler nou pran bann Polisi, dan letan difisil, i ti pou popilis, nou ti pou dan en problenm.
E ozordi kantmenm nou dan en problenm, nou annan diferan defi, me nou pou dan en nou sityasyon.

ek performans ekonomik Akoz bidzeter pour nou ed nou pep ki pli vilnerab.

E sa i akoz bann bon Polisi ki sa Gouvernman in met an plas.

(APPLAUSE) MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Ankor mon anmenn en lapel, avek Lopozisyon, pou zwenn ek nou, en lapel ki mon’n fer a plizyer fwa.

Si zot annan, propozisyon ki konstriktiv, met devan nou a diskite, nou ava evalye, e nou a pran desizyon.
Me pou zis kritike, e pou fer krwar ki zot vreman, vreman annan lentere bann dimoun ki pli vilnerab, sa pour mwan, i dezonnet.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Minis.

Bon avek sa nou ariv ler pou vot lo Bill pour general merit.

Manm ki an faver, lev lanmen silvouple.

(Interruption) MR SPEAKER Order!

Onorab Uranie.

(Interruption) MR SPEAKER Bann Manm!

En moman silvouple, Madanm Clerk.

Manm, mon devret demande si annan okenn Manm ki vot kont.
9 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Selman mon vwar tou dimoun in vote alor, mon pa'n - Mersi.

Bon lo general merit Fair Trading Bill, 2022, 27 Manm in e 0 vot pour, 0 kont abstansyon.

Bill lo general merit.

E Madanm Clerk a fer Formal Second Reading.

in pase to MADAM CLERK Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Mr Speaker.

Bonzour tou bann Manm, bann dimoun ki a lekout.


A Bill for an Act to consolidate and revise the Law Trading, relating competition consumer and protection and to repeal The Fair Trading Commission Act, The Fair Competition Act and The Consumer Protection Act and to provide for matters connected therewith or incidental thereto.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

Fair MR SPEAKER Mersi Madanm Clerk.

Bill in lir lo Second Reading.

Mon pe demann bann Manm Lasanble ankor enn fwa, pou gard lord dan Lasanble.
E mon pa kapab aksepte ki annan enteripsyon kontinyel, Manm ki koze off-mic ki kriye.

Si pour sa, mon pe dir sa Manm pou bezwen kit Lasanble.

Mersi.

Mon profit sa pti interval pou dir bonzour e byenveni Attorney General Frank Ally ki'n zwenn nou pou konsiderasyon sa Bill.

E mon krwar son, partisipasyon dan Staz Komite i ava ed nou.

Nou a prezan pas dan pou amannman e klarifikasyon lo Bill.
Komite, Staz Lo kote Bills Committee, mon dir bann Manm si, otan ki posib sey keep in step avek bann amannman Bills Committee, nou pou desann klarifikasyon.

Koumsa nou pa bezwen retourn an aryer, tanzantan.

anmezir Bill dan lo Alor Bills Committee lekel ki pou diriz nou?

Onorab Henrie.

kote HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour tou dimoun.

Mr Chair nou annan pa mal bann pti lamannman isi, laba.

the Tribunal, Premye pwen dan kot mon ava tir latansyon panel.

Dan arrangements of sections lo paz 3.


Nou'n note ki pwen 15 i Quorum of diferan avek sa ki clause 15 lo paz 27.

I - wi akoz i koz lo composition.

So i annan en diferans.

Savedir nou a rektifye sa.

Mersi.

Bann premye, lamannman Mr Chair, i pou vin dan seksyon Interpretation.

E alors si bann Manm i go dapre 10 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Premye alfabetik.

lord lamannman pou vin dan definisyon “safe”.


E dan “safe”, dan subclause (e), kot i lir “reliance on the accuracy of any measurements, calculation or”, nou le azout mo “other” dan nou dan “Interpretation”.

E nou pe swiv li alfabetikman.

So nou dan “safe”.

Definisyon “safe”.

“Safe” go according to, yes alphabetically.

(e).

“Safe” subclause Yes.


Savedir i lir “reliance on the accuracy of any measurements, calculation or”, nou le azout “other” nou le retir “are they” pou li dir “other reading made by or by means of goods”.

Mr Chair i annan en entervenan.

MR SPEAKER Yes, panel i in step avek nou.

Parey labitid si zot bezwen, lanmen, kestyonnen silvouple a nou Onorab kontinyen.

Georges.

lev sansan Yes HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker i annan - avek ou permisyon mon a retourn enn pti pe an aryer, lo definisyon price, e sa se en keksoz, ki nou pou bezwen rezourd at the start.

fer serten propozisyon lo sa mo ‘good.’ In Mon’n fact, mwan mon prefer, goods in the plural.

Instead of a good.

Akoz par mon formasyon, napa en keksoz ki ou kapab apel ‘a good.’ Toultan ou apel li ‘goods’ even if, i dan sengilye.

E mon’n fer propozisyon, pou sanz ‘a good’ or ‘service’ partou kot i arete.
Pou met ‘goods or a service.’ Akoz, pou mwan sa i reads better, dapre mwan formasyon.

Me mon bezwen admet ki semenn pase mon pe ekout Prezidan Biden, e i ti pe koze.

E i ti koz, i ti dir “a good”, dan menm konteks.

Alor i pa oule dir ki akoz mon pe propoze, se that’s what it should be.

Me mon ti a kontan, ki very early on nou tonm dakor si nou pou apel li ‘’goods’’, oubyen si nou pou ‘’a good’’.

kontinyen avek Tanzantan, item ler spesifik.


i en Parey mon dir, mon’n fer propozisyon e mon’n konnen dan track version, dan bokou landrwa, ‘a good’ or ‘service’ in ganny sanze,’ to be goods’ or ‘a service.’ Donk panel i ava ed nou from the very start.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Panel i a dir si i dakor avek sa propozisyon, ki i reste ‘’goods’’ partou.

Yes AG?

11 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman, nou santi poudir a good.


Akoz si ou pou servi sa mo, ou pou demande.

What is the price of the good?

Ou poudir, will you ask the word, the question what is the price of the goods?

Ou pou konfiz sa dimoun ki ou pe demann sa kestyon.

i, Mon krwar it quite settled, mon konpran ki Onorab Georges.

Anfet ler nou ti pe go over the law.

Nou osi nou ti anvi petet servi, plural akoz i sonn pli byen.

Akoz toultan nou dir, ‘the goods’.


Me selman parfwa, i arive kot en dimoun pou demann ou, what is the price of that good?

So unless goods then, becomes the noun.

Be, it’s a bit like verbs that doesn’t take an “s”.

That doesn’t take plural.

par egzanp.

dir ‘equipments.’ Me selman nou dir ‘equipment.’ So the same.

Me selman mon krwar i, whilst equipment i sonn enn pti - i mal sonnen dan zorey dimoun ler, dimoun ‘equipments.’ Ouswa ‘furnitures’, akoz zot pa pran “s”.
equipment, pa i dir Parey Nou Me “good” i think, does take, can do, can be used without, the “s”.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Eski mon ti a kapab met en pti kontribisyon lengwistik?

Dan lengwistik an zeneral, an Angle, goods always remain as goods.

E i parey, furniture, i parey equipment.

Si ou bezwen refer to one thing.

You say what is the price of this item, what is the price of this product.

I annan, lezot term.

Sa i son lengwistik.

Mon pa pe enterfer dan legal soz, mannyer i mete.


Me selman this is en pwen ki mon ti a kontan.

Onorab Georges.

Koman HON BERNARD GEORGES Mr Chair mersi bokou pou ou klarifikasyon.

en, ansyen teacher Angle.

I pez for.

Mon ti anvi zis - e sa se pwen, Deputy Speaker, pa pou mwan.

Dan son definisyon goods.

I ti define as goods in the plural rather, parey goods e non-pa ‘’a good.’’ So kekfwa, sa i kapab lenfliyans nou.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Pillay.


HON BERNARD GEORGES E la, e la mon pandan ki mon annan fek resevwar en mesaz ki dir, “a good’’ is grammatically correct.

So, for what’s it’s worth.

Mersi.

laparol.

Mon 12 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 MR SPEAKER Onorab Pillay, ou annan en pwen pou fer lo la?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mon pe sey ganny en konpran lekel ki Lasanble, ant panel oubyen nou?
So, si nou, nou santi i en goods, i revin ‘goods’, e ‘goods’ i parlance i ganny servi.

Then nou met ‘goods’ and we move on.

Nou pa kapab ale vini, panel i le met “a good”.

Nou, nou le met “goods”.

Tou dimoun in agree poudir tou dimoun i agree poudir lafason ki ou dir li se ‘good.’ Partou larestan landrwa dan sa Lalwa, zot ‘’goods.’’ A leksepsyon dan sa landrwa.

servi in So si nou krwar i devret koumsa, because we are spending time, on semantic or linguistic, Kan nou devret pe bouze avek sa.
Mwan for what it’s worth, mon krwar sa ki ou pe dir i fer sans.

I ‘’goods’’ or ‘a service.’’ Apre si ou al aste en item, ou poudir konbyen sa telefonn, konbyen sa lot.

That’s usually how it is.

Partou i ganny dekrir koumsa.

So petet eski nou kapab pran en desizyon.

Nou move on?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Wi.

Panel, kot zot ete.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Bon Mr Chairman mersi.

Mon krwar if the Assembly feels that it should be “goods” or “a service”, then we have no issue with it.
MR SPEAKER Thank you.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Parey Leader Lopozisyon in dir, i pou - Son lenterpretasyon, pa pou vreman ganny afekte.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Henrie back to you.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair.


Savedir pou benefis, Lasanble nou pe fer en sanzman dan, interpretation kot “price”, nou pou dir “includes any charge or fee, by whatever in name connection with the provision of goods or service.” payable called, HON BERNARD GEORGES “A service” (off-mic) 13 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 HON GERVAIS HENRIE “A service”.

Ok, very good.

So Mr Chair savedir nou pou, bouze aprezan.

Nou reste dan seksyon Enterpretasyon.


Nou kontinyen, alphabetically, e nou al lo, “substance”.

Lo premye laliny, “means any natural or artificial”, nou le azout mo “material” e retir “substance”.

Larestan i reste parey.

Nou kontinyen dan Enterpretasyon, e nou kot definisyon “supply”.

“Supply” i annan de definisyon.

I annan subclause (a), apre subclause (b).

Nou pou al dan subclause (b).


Dan dezyenm laliny, savedir mon pou komans avek sa fraz, sa bout fraz ki dir “grant or confer”, nou le azout mo “the” avan “service”.

So i pou vin “grant or confer the service or to offer to provide”.

Mr Chair nou kontinyen, dan seksyon Enterpretasyon.

E dernyen dan definisyon, “unit price”.

I ava lir koumsa, means the price of a standard amount of any goods, as”, nou le azout mo “to” e retir “of”.

So, i ava lir koumsa “amount of any goods, as to weight or volume”.
I paret panel, is in agreement.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Prezan nou kontinyen nou al dan application of this Act.

Savedir clause 3.

E nou pou al dan subclause 3.

3(3) dan premye laliny “This Act shall bind the Republic to the extent” nou le azout mo “that”.

So i ava lir koumsa, “to the extent that the Republic”.

Lot touzour lo ‘application of this Act’ nou pe al dan subclause 8.

Savedir lo paz 19.

La i annan enn de pti mon ki nou le azoute.


I lir koumsa “Where it is alleged in any proceedings under this Act a person is a consumer in relation to particular goods or” nou le azout, “a service, it shall be presumed, unless the contrary is proved that the person is a consumer in relation to”, nou le azout mo, “ those” e retir “that”, azout “s” avek “good”, pou li lir “goods, or azout mo “that service”.
in So i lir koumsa “Where it is alleged in any proceedings under this Act that a person is a to a consumer particular goods or a service, it shall be presumed, unless the is proved, that the contrary person is a consumer in relation to those goods or that service”.

relation MR SPEAKER Thank you.

14 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 HON GERVAIS HENRIE Dan lot seksyon ki swiv.

Exemption from application of this Act, Clause 4(3).
4(3) dan dernyen laliny i annan mo “exempt”, nou le azout “ed” avek pou lir “shall be exempted”.

Ou ganny mwan.

Dan Clause 4, dernyen 4(3), “ed” dan mo “exempt”.

li Mr Chair nou pou bouz dan Part II.

I annan en - MR SPEAKER Sorry yes.

Mon pe konsantre lo Bill, mon pa'n vwar ou lanmen Onorab Pillay.

4. grant the application HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mon annan en konsern vizavi clause of The exemption.
Clause 4 is worded pou dir ki Minis “may, by order, of a on regulatory authority, exempt any sector or industry or any class of suppliers or any class of goods or transactions” from laplikasyon sa Lalwa.

services or So Minis i kapab donn en egzanpsyon.

E dan son 4(2) i dir ek Minis an konsiltasyon Komisyon, i fer sa atraver en notis, ki donn sa egzanpsyon.

So, i fer en lord, notis.

So premye kestyon ki mon annan, se akoz dan 4(1) nou pa dir, the Minister on consultation with the Commission?
Clause 1 nou pa dir, akoz clause 2 i dir sa, mon pa vwar Clause 1, i dir sa.

Prezan kot mon main konsern i vini, se lefe ki eski Minis, i ganny drwa.

Eski sa Clause i byen, an relasyon avek provizyon ki kree sa Tribinal, ki anba ziridiksyon Lakour?

Mon ti en leksplikasyon lo la silvouple.

kontan ganny a So laplikasyon sa Tribinal, i anba ziridiksyon Lakour.

So eski an relasyon ek sa Lalwa.

Minis i annan drwa, exempt en supplier pou aparet devan sa Tribinal.
Mon li koumsa mwan, unless mwan ki pe mal lir li mon pe konpran li koumsa.

Eski panel i kapab kalifye pou nou?

konpran pe MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Minis i a pran laparol.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab, pou sa kestyon.

Partikilyerman lo 4(1) ek 4(2), mannyer mwan mon lir li.

Se 4(1), i dir ou “The Minister may, by an order, on the application of a regulatory authority, exempt”.
Ok. 4(2), i swiv 4(1) ki pe dir ou in consultation “The Minister 15 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 otomatikman, with the Commission, may by notice published in the Gazette”.

Savedir the Minister receives en application from en regulatory authority.

E 4(2) i pe dir ou, “in consultation with the Commission issue an order”.

So, otomatikman Komisyon i pe ganny konsilte li.

Ou bezwen lir.

Mwan mon pou mwan ler ou get li san.

Mon pa en Avoka, me as a layman, mon pe lir 1 ek 2 ansanm.
Mon pa konnen si kekfwa AG, ou mon kontan lenterpretasyon.

avek MR SPEAKER AG.

Yes.

ki THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Mon krwar.

Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman, mon krwar Leader Lopozisyon - Onorab Leader pran Lopozisyon konsiderasyon, se ki i bezwen premyerman en laplikasyon par en regulatory authority.

bezwen, annan petet So annou pran en legzanp en, i annan en authority ki regulate, par egzanp financial consumer protection.

E prezan i anvi exempt sa sekter.

I fer en laplikasyon ek Minis.


I kapab dir ek Minis, be gete i annan en sekter ki nou, nou kapab provide son bann rekour.

E alor mon le ki ou, tir li anba sa Lalwa.

So dan sa ka okenn sekter, okenn lendistri, okenn class of suppliers, class of goods oubyen and tranzaksyon, i kapab ganny exempted, from application of sa Lalwa.

services, So e prezan, sa i kapab baze lo, en Lalwa osi ekrir.

Okenn Trete enternasyonal.

E la Minis an konsiltasyon, parey Minis in dir an konsiltasyon avek Komisyon.
I a pibliy sa notis, i a grant sa exemption.

Mersi.

i fer E sa pou fer sir, i pibliye pou annan sir latransparans, pou fer sir ki tou dimoun i konnen, poudir be sa sekter, si ou annan en issue avek sa class of supplier, class of goods and services, then ou pa pou anmenn ou case, devan sa Tribinal, par egzanp.

Oubyen sa Lalwa pa pou apply.

Me i pa vedir ki ou napa en rekour.

Ou annan en rekour.

Si i annan okenn issue, Lakour i la pou donn ou rekour.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab.


HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY 16 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Mon Mersi Mr Speaker.

konpran sa ki ou pe dir.

Me selman si sa Lalwa, i pli modern.

E i pli konpreansiv ki Lalwa.

As we stand la, i pou pli konpreansiv - i pou pli modern ki lezot Lalwa ki nou annan.

Petet zis Financial Consumer Protection Act, be ki nou’n annan konsern avek.

Osi as well.

Mon pa krwar Financial Consumer Protection Act, i fer annan en provizyon pou fer Tribinal.
So si i pa li provizyon, pou annan en Tribinal.

E ou pe dir mwan, poudir sa i koumsa, ou pou al laba anba sa Lalwa.

Mon kestyon pou ou se lefe, ki sa Tribinal i anba ziridiksyon Sef Ziz, eski Minis i annan drwa dir par egzanp - sa group of supplier pa pou kapab, si annan en konsern avek zot, si i annan en issue ki'n ganny raised, pou ganny exempt, pou pas devan sa Tribinal.

Se sa ki mon pe regarde akoz i premye ki mon rankontre, mon enterakte avek sa Lalwa, dan sa fason.
So mon ti a kontan satisfer mon lekor ki nou pa pe kree en sityasyon, kot en egzanpsyon i ganny donnen lo baz ki, ou le protez sa enn sekter, oubyen ou le protez sa group supplier.

Se sa ki mon pe rode.

Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Minis.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou sa klarifikasyon.

Mon i senp.

larepons pou sa Desizyon pou exempt en sekter, en lendistri, en class of goods and services, is ultimately, en policy decision.

Ok?
Ok?

lenstitisyon E en Minis, as the political head of en is ultimately responsible for policy making.

the responsibility of a Minister, anba Konstitisyon.

That’s So, mwan mon ler mwan mon regarde this is, within the remit of manda en Minis.

Akoz i the policymaker.

E sa ki ou pe koz lo la ou, se egzekisyon en Polisi.

So ler i pou al Tribinal, si pou al Tribinal, si i pou ganny exempted, si i pou annan en particular regulator.

That is a Policy direction.


Ki mannyer i egzite, apre i swiv sa policy direction.

This is the way ki mwan mon vwar.

E sa pou mwan sa Clause i donn, fleksibilite ki mannyer nou adres diferan sekter.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER 17 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Mersi Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair mon krwar i byen ki Onorab Leader Lopozisyon i raise en konsern.

Akoz i en konsern ki i annan.

E mon krwar ki Minis in eksplik byen ki sa se en desizyon Policy.
Be mon ti ava kontan reasir Onorab Leader Lopozisyon e bann Manm Lasanble.

Ki mon pa krwar ki pou annan okenn problenm.

E mon akoz.

eksplike ava Premyerman, i annan oversight par Komisyon.

Se komisyon pou bezwen angaz avek Minis dan sa desizyon.

Dezyenmman, pou annan latransparans pou piblik.

Akoz sa order pou bezwen ganny pibliye dan Gazette.

So tou dimoun pou vwar.

E trwazyenmman i annan 2 lezot posibilite pou anpes sa arive.

Enn se dan nou pouvwar Lasanble.


Akoz sa egzanpsyon pou ganny fer par en S.I.

Order or a notice dan Gazette.

E nou, nou annan pouvwar quash, si nou krwar ki i mal ganny fer.

E katriyenmman, piblik an zeneral ki dissatisfied avek sa egzanpsyon, i kapab al devan Lakour e demann en judicial review sa desizyon Minis.

E donk mon krwar i annan sifizaman sofgard pou fer sir ki sa pouvwar pa ganny abize.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Nou pou bezwen move on lo la.

Mon krwar lesplikasyon Minis i fer sans, i kler.


Onorab Pillay ou ava fer en dernyen pwen apre Lasanble a dir si nou pou aksepte oubyen non.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker.

Be la kot mon tyonbo ou la.

Ou konnen?

Ou’n vin lo sa pwen ki mon ti anvi ou vin lo la.

Pouvwar to quash.

Mon annan enn pe vini la mwan.

Nou pou war ki mannyer ou reakte avek.

Akoz pouvwar to quash ou Minis in dir ou poudir sa pou en desizyon politik.
Eski ou koman mazorite dan Lasanble ou pou al kont en desizyon politik, ki ou Gouvernman pou mwan?

Mon pa pe impute lo ou, konpran mwan?

I en legitimate argument ki mon pe met lo latab.

Pou fer dimoun konpran poudir mazorite dan Lasanble ki pou annan the final decision si sa S.I.

oubyen sa notis ki pou pase.

Now, natirelman si nou Lopozisyon nou santi nou sa 18 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 S.I.

pa devret pase, nou pou vin quash li.

Be Minis in dir ou sa i en Polisi Gouvernman.


E from what i have seen so far mazorite i le siport tou Polisi Gouvernman.

That is why mon annan en konsern lezitim ki mon pa ti ava kontan en supplier oubyen en group supplier i ganny exempt baze lo en Polisi politik ki Gouvernman i annan.

Be mon napa pouvwar pou sanz sa.

So vwala kot nou stand.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Mersi Onorab Georges.

Desizyon Lasanble mazorite oubyen minorite i zot desizyon.

Zot prerogativ.

So, zot ava fer li ler i arive.


Mon krwar si Manm an zeneral napa ki nou kontinyen.

Nou ava kontinyen silvouple avek sa.

lobzeksyon Onorab Henrie.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Pou benefis tou dimoun nou'n ariv lo part 2 aprezan.

Administration of the Act.

E dan clause 6, ‘’functions of Commission.’’ Nou le azout en mo ‘the’ avan ‘Commission’.

Touzour dan clause 6 Mr Chair.

Nou pou bouz subclause 6(2) (l).


Ok nou pou retourn 6 (2) (e) dan premye laliny i annan da mo ‘contraventiond’ e nou le azout ‘s’ apre dan premye laliny mo ‘contravention’ nou pe azour ‘s’ avek.

nou pe tir ‘s’.

Ok nou pe tir ‘s’.

Nou prezan desann 6(2) (l).

dan trwazyenm laliny nou met en comma apre mo ‘and’.

I vin ‘that arise out of policies and, … E dan 6 (2) (o) i annan.
I lir koumsa ‘deal with any matter referred to it by the Tribunal, Minister, other and regulator.’’ Sa i sa 3 pti lamannman Mr Chair dan Clause 6. any Lot lamannman kot nou pou ale.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Henrie enn de fwa letan ou’n sot seksyon ou’n osi donn nonm paz.

Si i ede sa.

I fer nou al pli vit lo la.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Ok, savedir la nou pe al.

Wi.

Mersi Mr Chair.

Nou pe al dan clause 7 ki lo paz 22.

E son tit i ‘Executive Officer and Chief Deputy Chief Executive Officer’.
E nou pou al dan clause 7 Dan tit la, ‘functions of the (5).

Commissions’.

MR SPEAKER 19 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 En moman wi.

Yes Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Yes.

7(1) ‘The President shall appoint a Chief Executive Officer and Deputy Chief Executive Officer for a term of 5 years, on such terms and conditions as the may be determined by President’.

Now, konnen Prezidan i Sef Egzekitiv.

Napa problenm ek sa.

Be li ki pou determin kondisyon en CEO?


mon How does that work in reality?

Prezidan i only present, nou annan en Prezidan ki le … MR SPEAKER Minister ou ti ava kontan adres sa?

Wi Minister.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Onorab in mars parey toultan lepase.

in deza marse dan ‘The Mazorite Lalwa President shall appoint on such terms and conditions as may be determined by the President’.

i dir, dan I pa something ki'n ganny envante Lalwa.
Prezidan, plizyer Prezidan anba zot ladministrasyon ti annan menm pouvwar pou fer li.

sa E napa naryen ki'n sanze.

It is the prerogative of the Head of the Executive.

MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Ok Mr Speaker.

Mon pran sa largiman so zot le fer parey lepase ti fer.

Napa problenm.

Be mon konnen keksoz ti sanze.

E usually ti entrodwir en buffer ant sa ki Prezidan i apwente e rekomandasyon.
Savedir pou fer sir ki dimoun i kapab apply pou sa bann post oubyen i annan en advertisement pou sa bann post.

E sete sa nide ler LDS ti dan mazorite dan Lasanble.

Ki dayer ti ganny siporte par Gouvernman US.

Savedir bann bann post advertisement ki ganny fer pou zot ganny apwente.

annan ti La nou pa pe war la.

Mansyon advertisement.

E mon war ou’n very quick lo draw.

Parey en cowboy ki annan 2 fizi ou’n degaze ou’n anvi tire.
Ou bliye poudir dan Lalwa se ou koman Minis ki ganny mansyonnen koman interface avek Komisyon.

lo Mon ti ava espekte ki Prezidan rekomandasyon Minis from suitably qualified candidates, i apwent en Deputy Chief CEO, en Deputy Chief 20 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Executive Officer and a Deputy CEO.

Mon pa ti ava espekte ou en dimoun ki krwar dan latransparans pou vin dir mwan poudir nou Gouvernman US ti fer parey, alor nou fer parey.
So, mon propozisyon i senp, eski nou kapab annan en buffer ant Prezidan apwente.

E koumsa ler nou pe koz lo kondisyon mon pa krwar se Prezidan ki determin sa bann pozisyon.

Prezidan i rely lo en lot antite pou determin sa bann kondisyon.

Akoz si nou regard sa Lalwa i annan en keksoz enteresan ki mon pou montre zot taler, ki pou mwan i montre pou dir nou bezwen rod en fason pou donn sa lotorite en pe from sa plis lenterferans politik.

Sa mon pwen Mr Speaker.

lendepandans MR SPEAKER Mersi wi.


Selman la ankor Onorab Pillay ou’n ariv lo en posibilite en amendment ki pa'n ganny met dan Lalwa.

So amwen ki Lasanble i krwar poudir i en simple amendment, nou a zis kapab move on.

Onorab Cosgrow ti annan, ti'n lev lanmen.

Mon pa konnen si ou ankor lo menm pwen.

HON WALLACE COSGROW Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker mon tant pou dakor avek sa ki Leader Lopozisyon in dir.

Mon santi i devret annan en buffer between Prezidan avek sa Sef Egzekitiv.
lapwentman E parey in ganny dir dan lepase in toultan annan sa largiman, akoz ki Prezidan i politiz sa lapwentman dan en sans.

Me solman mon annan en lot pwen ankor mon le fer sorti.

I an relasyon avek sa zafer 5an.

Akoz si nou pe go to lepase.

Then normalman 3an was the acceptable term.

E dan mazorite ka pou bann Chief Executive.

E akoz dan sa enn nou’n deside met 5an?

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis, panel.

Yes Minis.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.


Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

Mon ava adres kestyon Onorab Leader Lopozisyon e Onorab Cosgrow at the same.

Lo kote pratik ok, lo kote pratik ou’n koz lo advertising 21 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 the post.

I annan plizyer legzanp ki mon kapab donn ou.

E ki pe vini osi ki pou advertise diferan post CEO.

So, an pratik napa naryen ki anpes advertising the post.

E is candidate recommended proposed to the President.
Me pwen ki mon pe sey fer i Head of the se Prezidan Executive.

E i son prerogativ pou apwent bann dimoun ki pe head bann diferan fonksyon egzekitiv.

Lo pwen ki Onorab lo Cosgrow in mansyonnen term letan.

Larepons se ler diskisyon in ganny fer se ki i annan en eleman leksperyans, knowledge that needs to be build up over time.

E nou’n war li rezonnab dan fonksyon Komisyon Fair Trading, ki en peryod letan i 5an rather than 3an.
I senpleman due to the - pou ou kapab build up sa leksperyans, sa lekspertiz ki limite.

Me osi i pran letan pou build, i senpleman sa rezon ki in met li 5an.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Loze.

HON JOHAN LOZE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mon ti zis anvi kontribye ki presedans Lasanble ki'n ganny etablir depi 6enm Lasanble.

Nou ti pe konmans move trenn from sa zafer away laprezidans.

E la mon pa pe koz Prezidan la.

mon pe koz laprezidans.


ti'n Lafason ki nou aksepte pou travay, se ki enn nou ti pe buffer laprezidans.

Dezyenm nou ti met li E sa ti fray.

above laprezidans.

Pa ti neseserman Prezidan.

the E tou largiman ver sa direksyon in ganny anmennen par parti SNP/ LDS zot menm.

In fact, it was a standing joke dan Bills Committee.

E Onorab Georges pou konfirmen.

i A sak fwa nou ti war sa mo ‘shall be by the President,’ nou tou nou ti riye akoz nou ti konnen nou bezwen tire.
Parske si nou pa ti tire ler i ariv lo Assembly floor Onorab Ferrari ti pou ganny apoplexy.

Nou tou nou ti konnen sa dan Bills Committee.

It was a given practice.

E i ti’n accepted as best practice pou nou depi tou sa letan ki i ti meyer pou elev laprezidans.

Aret mel li dan tousala.

Be la mon santi nou pe fer en pti pe en regresyon.

Be selman se sa direksyon ki Gouvernman i le ale, fine.

22 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Loze in siport mon pwen.


Sa pwen ti’n devret ganny en amendment.

E pas dan Bills Committee.

Nou pa kapab- koman fer E sa bann lamannman ki zot pe mete i quite substantial lo soz.

Onorab Henrie.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Lo menm pwen.

i en pwen ki mwan personnelman mon ti leve dan Bills Committee.

Me pou benefis Lasanble e piblik an zeneral.

Mon krwar son konpleksite around sa clause i se ki dan Sesel ozordi i napa en standar.
Akoz sak sa bann antite, e mon ti donn legzanp si nou pou al dan Lalwa, par egzanp i en Infrastructure Agency standar.

La FTC nou pou war e standar.

Planning Authority nou pou war en standar.

E SBC nou pou war en standar.

Donk vwala en loportinite kot nou koman Lasanble, nou merit antre dan en diskisyon lo sa size.

Kwa ki nou le pou al avek largiman Onorab Loze.

Standar pou laprezidans.

Parske i vin en kestyon Polisi lekel parti ki la ki anvi fer.
Be koman en parti si nou ti kapab annan en pwennvi bipartizan lo sa size.

Nou entame en diskisyon fer serten pli tar kot nou propozisyon.

Zisteman letan anmenn sa mon pa'n anvi fer okenn propoz okenn, lamannman.

Akoz i annan diferan standar Mr Chair.

Me touzour lo sa Clause mon sel konsern mon ki mon annan, se sa zafer 5an, mon ti ava kontan vwar en term limit.

Akoz ler nou pe koz Fair Trading i en area kot i annan risk pou sa CEO ganny tante avek gro biznes pou vir lizye lo zot.
So, ou la konbyen letan ?

Mon krwar i merit annan en moman kot i ale e fer lespas pou en lot dimoun pou anpese ki nou ekspoz li avek sa bann risk ganny okenn lenfliyans.

Mersi.

tante avek MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Mon ava pran dernyen pwen Onorab Pillay.

Apre Minis i ava adrese.

Me selman mon pe dir ankor, for one of an amendment on the floor nou pou bezwen carry on.

Yes Onorab Pillay?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker.


Mr Speaker premyerman - premyerman se swe ou atraver demann ou si ou le nou, nou move en Mosyon 23 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 pou demann ou pou allow sa lamannman.

Mon le met devan ou ki i pa premye Lalwa ki vin devan Lasanble.

E mon'n asize la e plizyer repriz mon’n remark panel, Gouvernman vini, propoz lamannman lo floor, ki pa'n zanmen pas atraver okenn lamannman.
Akoz prosedir nou'n dekouver ki i mank en keksoz dan Lalwa e ki ou’n allow.

Mon le met sa devan ou.

e sa i en pratik ki nou'n fer.

I en presedans ki ou ou’n kree.

Prezan si mon vin lo ou pwen ki Onorab Henrie in raise.

Ou konnen nou annan en serten sityasyon ozordi ki enteresan dan pei an relasyon avek apwentman bann dimoun.

Par egzanp si nou pran Human Rights Commission ozordi, Human Right Commission son Commissioner e bann lezot dimoun i ganny apwente an konsiltasyon avek Speaker Lasanble Nasyonal.
Me Rights Human ler pou Commission ozordi Speaker apwente, ganny Lasanble Nasyonal i Leader en parti politik.

So Prezidan li menm li i sorti dan sa parti politik.

So pou annan efektivman dan next appointment of the Human Right Commission ki pou ganny fer par current Speaker Lasanble e Prezidan, ki pou ganny fer par tou lede sorti dan en parti politik e pou efektivman politiz sa lapwentman.

Ler nou regard ek SBC par egzanp - SBC kot nou ti annan gran deba lo la.
SBC i annan provizyon pou Speaker Lasanble Nasyonal e lezot dimoun apwent bann manm.

E nou ti fer provizyon ki son CEO, son post ti ganny advertise.

E ki mannyer SCAA i propoz lapwentman son post.

E ankor enn fwa ek SBC nou pou vwar en sityasyon kot nou pou politiz en lapwentman, kot Speaker i Leader son parti politik.

Me kot nou annan en issue la ki enteresan anba sa Lalwa?

Ler nou regard removal of sa CEO.

Usually i annan en sa kot line reporting lorganizasyon i report to.
Par egzanp an relasyon avek bann Tribinal, i annan en I annan en reporting striktir ki'n ganny etablir ant Minis avek Sef Ziz.

line.

Me an se ki konsern CEO ek Deputy CEO napa.

Akoz si ou retourn pli ba zis i dir ou i kapab Prezidan terminate apwentman sa 2 dimoun lo offence, convict of insolvent, undischarged mentally physically or incapable, engaging in activity an 24 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 that may integrity of the Commission.
undermine the Be lekel ki pou raport ek Prezidan sa?

Lekel ki pou dir Prezidan sa?

Napa okenn dimoun dan milye.

i le So, mon konsern i sa.

Mon konsern se ki mon konpran ki Gouvernman fer.

Gouvernman i le kre en antite ki annan en zirisdiksyon.

E pa pe met li anba en reporting line ki constrain li.

Mon konpran sa.

Me dan sey fer sa nou'n osi kre en keksoz ki kre anomaly.

Akoz there is no one to report on the CEO.


i bezwen So that is why nou pe propoze ki, mwan, mon krwar ki en konsiltasyon avek en antite an relasyon avek lapwentman sa dimoun ki pou head sa Konmisyon.

Ou konpran?

annan Ozordi nou annan en dimoun ki annan leksperyans ladan.

Nou sanse.

Nou annan en dimoun ki annan en dimoun ki annan leksperyans dan sa domenn, ki'n swiv sa domenn.

Ki kapab son apwentman i transfer direk lo la.

So napa issue.

Be going forward nou pou annan en issue.

Nou konpran sa.
Nou konpran sa.

E se pou sa rezon ki nou fer sir poudir nou bezwen koman Lasanble nou ringfence Lalwa.

pa Mon konnen ki mannyer Minis i santi nou kapab fer sa.

E ki mannyer sa reporting line pou ganny etablir.

Mon pa krwar ou pou permet mwan move en lamannman Mr Speaker, akoz mon napa 48erdtan.

MR SPEAKER Non, mon al plis lo la.

Nou ava permet Minis adres.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY So vwala kot nou ete.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi sa 2 Onorab pou zot entervansyon.


Lo premye, lo term 5an mon konpran konsern ki Onorab in met devan regarding, si ler ou spend tro bokou letan dan en post.

Ki kalite konfli lentere ki ou kapab, lendepandans i ganny afekte.

ki mannyer Me selman kekfwa mon ti ava eksplik rezondet akoz.

Akoz sa i en keksoz ki'n ganny diskite lo nou kote.

Se given ki Sesel i en pti pei e ou pa le met bann rizidite in terms of apwentman ki ou annan en small pool of skilled experienced people dan sa domenn.
E si ou met term limit demen ou war ou dan en sityasyon ki ou riske dan en 25 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 problenm - pa ganny en dimoun ki fit in avek sa rol.

Me i en balans.

Mon antyerman konpran sa konsern ki ou’n met devan.

I en konsern ki reel.

E lo kote en term limit.

So, mon en pe dan tou lede kote nou bezwen gete ki mannyer nou balans sa 2 konsern.

Konsern ki si ou met term limit, then ou annan sa rizidite pou ou kapab extend let’s say en trwazyenm term.
Or en dezyenm term.

Me sa en kestyon ki kekfwa Lasanble i ava bezwen gete ki mannyer i fer sa balans e gid nou.

Lo pwen Onorab Leader Lopozisyon, si mon pe konpran ou byen Onorab, eski enklizyon of the President in consultation with the Minister shall appoint?

that what ou pe Is propoze?

MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab Pillay.

pe Mon HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY propoze Yes.

efektivman sanmenm.

So that nou Lasanble nou ava annan oversight lo en dimoun.

Ou konpran?
Ou konpran?

E prezan in consultation with the Minister from suitably qualified From suitably qualified candidates.

candidates.

MR SPEAKER Yes Minister.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Onorab mon napa lobzeksyon enklizyon in consultation.

Me mon pa war li neseser pou met suitably qualified akoz seksyon 7, 5.

Non -sorry.

7 (2) wi, 7 (2) i deza donn ou what is a suitably.

In fini met sa an plas pou ou 7(2).

So, mon pa war li neseser pou repet li ankor anler.

Akoz in mete la.
Akoz in mete la.

Me mon napa lobzeksyon pou include ‘‘the President in consultation with the Minister’’.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Eski lo kote LDS i annan okenn lobzeksyon?

Eski nou bezwen pran vot lo sa?

HON BERNARD GEORGES Non Mr Chair.

Nou dakor ‘’in consultation with the Minister.’’ Napa okenn problenm.

In any event mon ti pe al dir si mon ti'n pran laparol.

In practice this is exactly what happens.

Prezidan pa reve.

I call Minis i dir lekel ki ou ti ava kontan e zot travay koumsa.
Mon mazinen.

But out of caution.

an abundance of 26 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Annou mete, pou pa annan polemic.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Mon a reponn prezan Leader Lopozisyon lo kan mon en pou propozisyon en amannman.

aksepte pou kapab Pou mwan i senp.

Nou bezwen progrese lo sa Bill.

Si en amannman i leve ki i evidan ki i annan keksoz mal avek sa Bill, e ki panel i war poudir there is a lapse, there is a gap.

E lezot Manm Lasanble i osi i war.


Then obviously nou bezwen soz lo la.

Sa ki mwan mon pe evite se en protracted debate lo en pwen ki ti'n devret ganny mete koman en amannman.

Si ou propoz en keksoz e Minis i dakor.

Lezot Manmi dakor, nou aksepte li, i napa problenm.

Nou move on.

Ok.

So, la par egzanp nou'n aksepte li nou move on.

Let’s go forward Onorab Henrie.

Yes.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mon le zis dir mon rekonforte par ou prononsman.
E mon osi santi mon bokou pli alez par lefe ki petet prezan mon pa santi poudir ou ankoler avek nou lo sa kote latab.

E ki nou kapab fer bann propozisyon.

So nou pou ede nou osi pou fer sa Lalwa vin bokou pli for.

Mersi bokou Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Ou konnen dan en amannman i kapab annan 2 pozisyon.

Si en pwen ki'n fini kalkile, ki'n fini ganny konsidere deza, nou pa pou antre dan en deba la dan Lasanble ki pou prolonz sa.

Me si tousala i dezakor.

All Yes, we can.

size agree?

Onorab Henrie please.


HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Nou ankor lo clause 7.

Nou pou bouz lo clause 7 (2), 7 (2) (b) lo paz 23.

Ki li ‘is undischarged’ nou le azout ‘an’.

‘Is an undischarged insolvent’.

Savedir i pou lir.

Next, nou pou bouz lo clause 11.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY (Off-Mic) MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab Pillay.

Mersi.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairmen.

Mon le ganny pozisyon AG lo.

Mon konpran larestan clause ABC anba 7 (5).


Kot i dir si in ganny arete, i ganny convicted over en lofans - Insolvent byensir.

27 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Apre mentally or physically.

Me sa (d) la, eski sa dimoun i annan drwa al reprezantasyon ler Prezidan in terminate son lapwentman?

Eski i pou pas atraver prosedir normal pou li al PSAB or whatever, what is the, how, ki mannyer i pou kapab?

Akoz la nou pe donn en dimoun en fonksyon vreman enportan.
So mon pa war okenn safeguard.

Sey eksplik mwan petet ki nou pou fer dan sa ka.

MR SPEAKER AG kestyon in ganny mete pou ou.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Mersi Mr Speaker, Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman Chief Executive Officer oubyen son Depite zot pou bann public officers.

E Public Officers Act i dir ou poudir.

Well, PSO will apply.

Parske PSO i apply across the Board to bann public officers.

So, an rezilta sa, i annan en prosedir anba public Officers, anba PSO.
Me de tout fason si pou reponn ou kestyon.

Si en, vi ki Chief Executive Officer pou en public officer.

Anba Konstitisyon i pou kapab lodge en konplent son termination kot PSAB.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Henrie back to you.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Donk nou pe move lo clause 11.

Investigators, sa i lo paz 24.

Dan clause 11, 11 (3) (b) small (ii), nou le azout ‘s’ avek sa mo ‘request’.

11 (3) (b) (ii) nou le azout ‘s’ ek ‘request’.


Lot nou al lo clause 12 ‘relations with other regulatory authorities.

12 (b) (ii) lo paz 25.

Non, annou inyor.

Lot nou pou al lo paz 26 Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Lekel ki pe adrese la LGB oubyen.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mr Chair dan clause 12 (b) (ii) nou pe retir sa mo ‘to’ devan ‘unsure’.

Si i vin zis ‘ensure compliance with this Act’.

E dan clause 13 guidelines by Commission 13 (2).


Nou le retir en mo ‘the’ pou li lir ‘the Commission may review an its issue revised version of guidelines’.

28 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Next nou pou bouz lo chapter 2.

MR SPEAKER Hold on a second.

Onorab Pillay i annan en pwen.

Yes Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker mon annan en dernyen pwen lo sa seksyon an ski konsern Komisyon.
Mon vwar lentansyon se pou kre en Komisyon ki annan pouvwar pou li regulate son prop fonksyon, son bann prop kondisyon.

Now lot antite ki annan preski menm konfigirasyon se Oditer Zeneral.

E apre mon pa vwar menm konfigirasyon avek Human Rights Commission ki sipoze menm annan konfigirasyon.

Now mon kestyon se, eski dan sa sirkonstans Departman Public Administrations, son bann circulars, pou apply to the Commission as it relates to son recruitment or to lezot keksoz ki annan desizyon pou li pran.
Akoz in annan konsern ant bann diferan antite whether sa bann sirkiler i apply pou zot.

So, mon ti ava kontan ganny klarifikasyon si nou pe dir poudir sa Komisyon pou annan tou pouvwar pou li regulate son bann fonksyon.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Panel.

AG.

Minis.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman mon krwar i kler anba Lalwa get si nou and General Interpretation Cause Provisions Act, kwa ki public service?

E Komisyon i pou part of the public service.


Mon krwar sa i, sa i en keksoz ki mon krwar bokou fwa mon war i manke dan kwa ki consist of public service.

Tou antite ki i budget dependent.

Savedir larzan i sorti dan Consolidated Fund i part of the public service.

Si ou en antite, ou en anba Authority Public Konstitisyon, me ou pa ganny funded dan Consolidate Fund, ou pa pou vin part of the public service.

Me la ou pou part.

Mon krwar sa i the answer to the question.


E si nou diriz avek sa an tet, petet i annan serten keksoz ki pa pou poze.

Akoz i pou so obvious ki nou pa pou bezwen demann, i pa pou ganny raised.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER 29 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 So, this is take care of.

Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker mon komans per.

Akoz i paret pou dir i annan bann sistenm ki desin dan laliny bann Gouvernman konmela.
Eski ou pe dir mwan Human Rights Commission ki budget dependent i part of the public service?

Eski ou pe dir mwan Oditer Zeneral is part of the public service?

In which case i subject to public service Orders.

In which case i subject to ki recruitment i pou fer?

Ki kantite Oditer i pou recruit?

Be nou Oditer Zeneral fek dir enternasyonalman pou dir i pa part of the public service.

E sa i enn bann rezon akoz in ganny awarded as one of the most supreme body institutions.
independent Eski ozordi Gouvernman pe dir nou e lot keksoz?

Mon konpran ou anvi eksplik mwan Lalwa.

Mon napa problenm ek sa mwan.

So si ou, ou kre kondisyon ki fer laplikasyon.

Ok mwan.

Mwan mon pe zis demann en konsern lezitim, akoz in annan konsern eksprimen par bann antite ki ler nou'n zwenn zot koman Lasanble.

Zot in dir nou sa.

So si ozordi Human Rights Commission is part of the public service dan ou thinking?

Thank you very much mon byen kontan.


Se sa lafason ki sa Ladministrasyon i war keksoz.

E piblik Seselwa i a tande i ava konpran deor.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Minis.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Onorab mon krwar kekfwa i annan 2 keksoz ki pe ganny konfize.

La nou pe koz lo, let’s say nou pe koz lo staffing ok. lezot, Ki eski ler nou pe koz lo sa lotonomi pou dir ki en antite parey Rights Human e Commission, zot the budget from excluded process?

Si ou dir ou annan full lotonomi.


Full endepandan, full lotonomi, recruit kantite ki ou le.

Pey sa ki ou le, be ki bor sa Bidze pou sorti?

Kekfwa ou kapab gid mwan, ki bor sa resours bidzeter ler ki i annan en kontrent sa.

En Bidze ler ou prepare there is a constrain.

Akoz i binded by paramet ki an plas pou Bidze en lannen.
Me si ou pe dir, si mon'n konpran ou largiman byen, ki 30 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 ler nou pe koz lo lotonomi, lo sa, zot devret annan full abilite, kot kontrol terms of bidzeter.

i vini in MR SPEAKER Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair mon krwar ki i en konfizyon ki kapab rezourd ase fasilman.

Attorney i annan parfetman General rezon, ler ou budget dependent ou vin en public office.
in demande E sa napa, e ou vin public office pou rezon ki Leader Lopozisyon - setadir kote ou ale si i annan en problenm demen.

Attorney Zeneral i en public officer li.

Si demen enn son staff i ganny met deor, zot pou al kot PSAB, akoz zot budget dependent.

Sa ki enportan e mon krwar fodre pa nou bliye, se ki malgre ki serten antite i bann public offices, i annan serten ki endepandan.

E nou napa okenn a) premyerman nou, nou napa okenn drwa oversight lo zot.
E dezyenmman nou pa kapab call sa ki zot fer an kestyon.

Nou pa kapab anmenn Attorney Zeneral demen isi demann li akoz in donn tel advice avek Gouvernman.

Nou pa kapab demann li akoz ou’n pourswiv en dimoun e in swazir pa pou pourswiv en lot.

Nou pa kapab apel CAA.

Nou pa kapab apel Human Rights Commission.

Nou pa kapab apel Ombudsman.

Nou pa kapab apel Zidisyer.

Nou pa kapab apel SBC.

E mon repete ankor akoz tou zot sa bann antite constitutionally independent.
I pa oule sir ki zot pa en public office.

zot Me annan en lendepandans konstitisyonnel ki met zot apar.

Setadir dan kategori public offices i annan serten ki subject to oversight.

I annan serten ki pa subject to oversight.

Akoz konstitisyonelman zot zot ganny donn in lendepandans.

Mon krwar se sa refleksyon ki nou bezwen fer.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Speaker mon kontan Onorab Georges in sey vin rekalibre son Gouvernman.

Ou konnen akoz pou mon se sa ki en problenm.


Si ou dir Interpretation and Job mon Provisions Act i dir ou poudir si 31 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 ou budget dependent ou en public office.

E ou subject to tou sa ki public office i dir.

Ok. Now i enteresan sa.

Mwan mon konnen poudir Attorney Zeneral li son Lotorite i enshrine dan Konstitisyon.

CAA dan Konstitisyon.

Ombudsman dan Konstitisyon.

Me Human Rights Commission i pa dan Konstitisyon.


Oditer i dan Zeneral par kont Konstitisyon.

So nou bezwen etablir interface ki pou egziste ant sa bann Lotorite.

Akoz zot pou annan en fonksyon ki pou anmenn zot pou kestyonn aksyon antite serten Gouvernmantal.

I lozik sa pou nou demann sa kestyon.

Me selman mwan mon konsernen si sa thinking ki annan dan Gouvernman ozordi.

Then mon krwar bann antite ki pe ekoute demen i bezwen konpran byen zot rol.
i pou Akoz nou pa ti ava kontan initilman ki Gouvernman en sipor withhold lorganizasyon, zis akoz sa lorganizasyon i kapab anmenn en defayans pou Gouvernman.

So se sa ki mon ti pe eksprim mon konsern.

Be selman Mr Speaker mon ava, I will let the matter rest.

Mon war AG i very eager pou li reponn mwan.

So mwan mon ti le zis raise sa konsern, akoz mon'n gannyen sa konsern dan lepase avek serten antite.
Regarding kot bann Departman Public Administration ki'n dir zot pa kapab recruit, oubyen zot pa kapab fer tel keksoz.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

circulars sorti MR SPEAKER Thank you, AG.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman mon konpran serten konsern ki Onorab Leader Lopozisyon pe raise.

In fact, mwan mon santi poudir promilgasyon Konstitisyon ’93, leta in fail pou li update son Lalwa.

avek E se sa ki kre sa kalite problenm ozordi.


Si Leta ti fer sa legzersis pli konpreansif petet.

Mon konnen i ti annan bokou challenge pou fer sa.

Kot nou ti klarifye what is a anba service public Konstitisyon, aliny li avek lezot Lalwa, Organiz par egzanp Public Offices Act.

Public Service Orders ki zis pa en vreman en ganny pibliye.

32 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Mon krwar sa ti ava klarifye bokou keksoz.

Me parey Minis in dir nou osi annan bann issue Bidze.
So ler tax payer i - ler Lasanble.

Parske Lasanble ki hold the purse.

Ler Lasanble i aprouv en Appropriation Bill, i donn larzan en antite ki ganny kree oar en Lalwa.

E ki egzers serten lendepandans.

Me son lendepandans tre souvan i part of son fonksyon.

Parey en Ziz.

En Ziz se i egzers lendepandans ler i pe zir koman en Ziz.

Me son saler i ganny provided par en Lalwa ki Lasanble ki pase.

So nou bezwen konpran sa.

Me petet pou nou put an end to this.


Mon pa krwar i - sa rol Komisyon afekte Komisyon.

Parske sa Komisyon li i pou part of the public service.

I pou part of the Executive.

Se sa Tribinal.

Nou bezwen konpran poudir i annan en Tribinal ki li Konmisyon i annan son louvraz ki ganny fer li.

ki pou fer.

Tribinal i pa subject to the Commission.

Komisyon pou al devan Tribinal koman en parti pou li anmenn en konplent devan Tribinal.

E Tribinal li i pou form parti Zidisyer.


E la parske anba Konstitisyon Zidisyer i kapab form bann Tribunals i kapab form parti Zidisyer.

endepandan E la Tribinal li dan en i pou fason adjudicate okenn konplent ki ganny anmennen devan li par Komisyon.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Deputy, Onorab Henrie ti pe al lo Chapter II.

Be mon krwar i ava en bon moman pou pran en poz.

Nou a retournen 11.10.

Mersi.

(BREAK) MR SPEAKER Byen nou ava repran kot nou ti'n arete.

Komans Sapit 2.

Onorab Henrie.


HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Ankor enn fwa bonzour tou dimoun.

Mr Chair nou kontinyen.

Donk nou'n ariv lo Sapit 2 Fair Trading Tribunal lo paz 26, clause 14. of Establishment Fair Trading Tribunal.

E dan 14 (5) (5) dan dezyenm dezyenm laliny, nou le azout ‘a’ avan mo ‘part-time’.

Pou li lir ‘other members who shall serve on a part time basis’.

laliny.

14 Lot lamannman pou vin dan clause 15, Composition of the Tribunal for adjudication of any matter.
33 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Dan 15 (2) dezyenm laliny.

Nou le azout mo ‘in’ avan ‘any proceedings’.

Pou li lir ‘with the Chairperson at any sitting of the Tribunal or in any proceedings on a complaint or matter’.

E Mr Chair letan ki mon annan floor, akoz sa i en pwen ki nou'n diskit lo la dan Bills Committee.

Mon pa'n met en amannman an ekrir.

Selman mon ti pe anvi ki nou sanze.

Ki sa Chairperson i oblize, i oblize selekte omwen ouswa an mwayenn 2 manm.
2 manm pou asiz ek li.

e non pa any number ki i kapab swazir enn.

So, mon ti pe propoze par egzanp pou sa clause lir 15 (2).

‘The shall select at least two members to sit together with the chairperson at any sitting of the Tribunal or in any proceedings on a complaint or matter’.

chairperson MR SPEAKER Ok. Well parey mon'n dir annou met sa devan panel avek Lasanble.

Si napa obzeksyon oubyen.

Onorab Pillay premye.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mon konpran sa lamannman akoz pe ganny propoze.


Me selman mon ti ava kontan ganny en klarifikasyon.

Lefe ki sa Lalwa i dir ki poudir se Sef Ziz ki pou set bann lord e prosedir sa Tribinal, eski sa Lalwa li menm i kapab dictate en quorum sa Tribinal?

Eski nou le al dan sa laliny?

Eski nou le dir ki i pou annan en Tribinal quorum?

Akoz se sa ki mon bezwen etabli.

Akoz si nou dir ziridiksyon Sef Ziz i siprenm an relasyon ek sa laplikasyon sa Lalwa.

Akoz nou pa mansyonnen quorum dan sa Lalwa.


E mon krwar sa ki Onorab Henrie pe dir, i pe basically etablir en quorum the Tribunal ler i pe dir at least 2 manm.

for Nou ti ava kontan ki nou ganny klarifikasyon lo la.

MR SPEAKER Byen.

annou pran lesplikasyon ava.

AG apre nou ava pran sa amannman.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman mon krwar i pa en problenm pou en Lalwa dir ki pou konpozisyon sa Tribinal.
Si nou pou pran par egzanp Tribinal Lafanmir, ki li osi anba ziridiksyon Sef Ziz.

34 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Anba Ziridiksyon Zidisyer rather.

Or ki form parti Zidisyer.

Oubyen Employment Tribunal i dir ou ki kantite manm ki pou sit pou en hearing.

E sa enn Lalwa osi pe dir parey.

i pe dir ki i kapab ganny ekzerse Chairperson.

Setadir Chairperson i pou ekout okenn konplent ki ganny mete devan Tribinal.
par Me Chairperson li i kapab lakantite al selekte okenn Manm ki li i santi neseser pou li ekout en case.

Rezon ki nou'n li koumsa se ki i annan bann pti ka ki vin devan Tribinal, ki vin devan FTC Board.

fer E tre souvan i arive ki sa bann case i kapab ganny disposed of as a matter of en pti git letan.

I pa raise much in terms of issues.

E therefore pou ou asiz avek plizyer manm, i pa pratikman neseser.

O kontrer par asiz avek plizyer Manm, i kapab fer soufer sa konplenan.
Akoz i difisil pou ou ganny en quorum.

E evantyelman case i drag.

Mon pa pou dir ki si en Chairperson i asiz li tousel case pa pou drag.

Me sa posibilite ki i drag i bokou plis ler i annan 3 manm.

Akoz la ou bezwen al fer sir ki tou le trwa.

E tre souvan i arive, ou bezwen ganny tou le drwa.

Si case i anvoye.

Ou bezwen ganny tou le trwa pou available pou ekout case.

So petet sa ki i reponn en pti pe.

Me parkont ler i annan en case ki Chairperson i santi poudir i bezwen serten manm.
war Akoz kalifikasyon pou vin en Manm i bezwen petet en dimoun ki annan plis spesyalizasyon.

nou'n parey Then i kapab, i demande ki bann Manm i asiz ansanm avek li.

E la zot kapab pran en desizyon avek bokou plis sipor.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Bon AG in donn lesplikasyon lo tou lede pwen.

Onorab Georges ou ti'n lev ou lanmen ou ankor.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Yes.

Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair mwan mon enn sa bann dimoun ki pa krwar dan Tribinal.

I en zoli figir pou donn avek piblik.


ki en Mazistra pe asiz avek 2 lay assessors.

E nou'n vwar sa de tout tan dan Rent Board, apre dan Tribinal Lafanmir, apre dan Tribinal Lanplwa.

E osi la prezan la prezan dan Tribinal Komers Zis.

Problenm ki nou vwar souvan se ki sa bann manm la, 35 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 e mon bezwen pez mon mo akoz mon, bokou sa bann manm ki asiz lo sa bann Tribinal i mon bann zanmi.

pa E mon kapab zeneralize.

E mon pa anvi zeneralize.


Me nou vwar ki dan bokou ka, zot defer tou sa ki sa Chair pe fer, sa Mazistra pe fer.

E pa dan tou ka e mon bezwen dir sa.

Me dan bokou ka.

E mon krwar ki lespri deryer annan en Tribinal avek bann lay assessors, se pou reasir sa bann dimoun ki vin devan zot ki i annan dimoun - en pti pe parey ziri.

I annan dimoun ki pa neseserman bann dimoun legal ki pe ekout sa case.

E i tre bon annan de fwa annan en lot pwennvi.


Me mon vwar ki in practice, dan son pratik annan de fwa bann Tribinal pa mars koumsa.

E dan bokou ka, sa bann les Chairman keksoz.

tou tou demann li ki ekrir zizman i zis fer i manm vreman Chairman kestyon, eksetera.

So, at the end of the day son lespri pa ganny met an pratik.

Sa se premye.

Premye pwen me se en pwen zeneral e i pa afekte nou isi.

Akoz i annan en provizyon kot i sipoze annan en Tribinal.
isi Me mon'n dir, mon'n dir sa ki mon'n dir akoz mon anvi depart avek pti propozisyon Onorab Henrie.

en pe Mwan mon plito partaz Lopozisyon Sorry panel.

pozisyon panel ki dir ki sa Chairperson sa Tribinal i kapab swa sit li tousel oubyen li i ava deside kan e konbyen bann lezot manm ki pou sit avek li.

Premyerman sa i pou fer en saving.

Etandonnen ki sa bann manm pou ganny peye zis ler zot sit obviously.

E donk ou pa pou obliz sa arive dan tou ka.


ou les Me pou a diskresyon sa Chairperson pou li deside kan i krwar ki akoz en case i ase konpleks.

I bezwen en dimoun ki annan pou fer avek tele kominikasyon.

Oubyen en dimoun pou fer avek Kontra fer lakaz eksetera pou sit avek li.

i annan Mon partaz en pti pe lespri Onorab Henrie kot i pe dir ki ler ou pou annan en co-opting, oubyen pardon pa en co-opting - co-opting en lot keksoz.
Ler ou pou annan 2 manm ki pou sit avek sa Chair - en manm ki pou sit avek sa Chair, fodre annan at least 2.

E akoz obviously pou ki napa en deadlock.

Mon ti ava propoze donk ki nou pa obliz sa Chairperson 36 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 pou li sit avek en dimoun.

Les li parey i ete konmela.

Me dir ki ler i pou sit avek manm, fer sir ki i annan at least 2 manm.
Sa mon krwar i en konsesyon ki nou kapab fer san ki nou sanz lespri ki Minis avek Attorney General in donn nou deryer konpozisyon sa Tribinal.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Henrie.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mon sezi largiman LGB Mr Chair akoz wi nou anvi gard sa fleksibilite e nou konpran ki ennler i annan bann case zis Mazistra sa Chairman ki pou asiz tousel.

So si nou ti kit sa clause koman ‘the Chairperson may select’ e nou dir at least 2 members.

Me savedir anytime i kapab asiz li tousel.


Me selman zour i pou swazir.

I bezwen at least swazir 2.

Akoz ankor pou mwan mon get li koman en sekter ki riske.

E nou pa anvi zis en dimoun e i annan sa nespes kolizyon ant zot de.

Me i ava annan en trwazyenm dimoun la ki ava kapab anpes annan en deadlock Parey LGB in dir.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Wi be selman la sa ki ou pe dir ou pe retourn lo ou propozisyon orizinal, ki AG in dir i pa war nesesite.

So nou pou bezwen rezourd sa.

Onorab Pillay wi.


HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Ou konnen mwan mon annan en konsern.

Savedir what was the point alors ki nou pou met en Tribunal.

E nou dir dan Lalwa ki son konpozisyon would be en Chairperson avek 7 lezot manm.

Si mon’n swiv largiman Onorab Georges Leader Zafer Gouvernman e ki main sponsor sa Bill.

ki Ki li i pa tro krwar dan Tribinal.

E si mon pou swiv largiman AG, tou lede i 2 dimoun ki'n frekant Lakour, 2 dimoun ki'n frekant Zidisyer.
E ki zot pwennvi se ki sa Mazistra ler mon pe ekout zot.

se li ki annan pouvwar ou ekout sa bann ka akoz se li ki pou donn desizyon lo sa bann ka.

So, what was the point ki nou met 7 dimoun?

Akfer nou ti bezwen met 7 dimoun?

Se sa ki enportan ki prezan ki Minis i eksplik nou akoz dan lentansyon Lalwa nou pe met sa 7 dimoun.

E pou nou konpran akoz i neseser prezan annan sa bann 37 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 dimoun prezan, si Tribunal pe fer en sitting.
Se sa ki nou bezwen etablir.

Akoz sinon then might as well nou repeal sa set 3, 3 (b).

E tir li konpletman e kit zis Tribinal.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Minis ou lesplikasyon.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou sa kestyon.

Larepons i senp, add fleksibilite.

I annan plizyer kalite ka ki pou vin devan Tribinal.

clause sa i So si i vin en ka par egzanp ki nou’n servi bokou dan bann legzanp ki nou’n donnen, kot i annan en ka kot en can baked beans in kraze.
Ou pa bezwen 7 manm lo Tribinal.

Ou bezwen en dimoun pou fer en ruling lo la.

ler Tribinal Me i annan ka ki pli i konpleks.

E regarde i war poudir be mon bezwen sa, sa lekspertiz.

I co- opt sa bann members into the panel.

E i dil ek sa bann ka.

E sa i senpleman en clause ki i ad fleksibilite.

It is cost effective akoz ou pe pey sa bann Manm as and when they are meeting.

Ki si ou annan en permanent number of people whether you need them or not.

Ou pe pey zot, i pa cost effective.


So pou mon sa i en clause ki senp e ki vreman lozik pou annan dan sa Lalwa.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER AG wi.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman mon krwar an relasyon avek sa ki Onorab Deputy Speaker in raise.

Nou bezwen al anba seksyon 53.

Akoz seksyon 53 i pran konsiderasyon ler Tribinal i annan plis ki en Manm.

E ou konnen ler, nou bezwen get lenplimantasyon en Lalwa avek en lespri juridique.
E en Chairman ki konsyan ki en desizyon i ganny pran par mazorite.

I pa pou zanmen annan en even number.

I pou toultan rod en odd number.

Akoz?

Pou fer sir ki pou annan en mazorite.

Otherwise i pou annan en tie.

E dan lenplimantasyon Lalwa, ou pou war ki toultan i pou annan en odd number ler en Tribinal oubyen en Lakour i constitute itself.

Continual Court i toultan annan 3.

Court of Appeal i 38 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 toultan annan 3.
Tribinal Lafanmir i toultan annan 3.

Ek sa lespri juridique.

Ou konnen i annan en kantite keksoz ki nou apel implied, ki nou implied dan en Lalwa.

Implied dan good practices ki i ganny enplimante.

So alor se sa ki 53 i dir, ‘a decision of the Tribunal shall be by a majority’, and where the decision was taken with any other member by the member.

‘ So, mon krwar sa petet i ava satisfer en pti pe.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.


Onorab Henrie mon in donn diferan krwar AG lesplikasyon akoz i pli bon koumsa.

So nou ava aksepte li mannyer i ete e nou a kontinyen.

Ou pa dakor?

Non lo ou pwen permet mon Onorab Pillay, lo ou pwen pou ou akoz i annan 7 dimoun.

Si mon kapab fer en pti kontribisyon.

Si nou get dan 4.

4 i dir Chairperson i kapab swazir en dimoun dapre son konpetans, son expertise pou kapab soz lo la.
oubyen ti Savedir mon ava mazinen poudir i neseser annan en pool dimoun pou li lekspertiz kapab tir diferan dapre sa ka.

So mon krwar sa kekfwa i reponn en pe ou konsern.

Yes?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Speaker mon le fer 2 pwen.

Premyerman lo sa pwen ki Onorab Attorney Zeneral in raise.

Pou mwan koman en Lezislater mon ti ava kontan konpran, what do you mean by a majority?

A majority of who?

Usually a majority of members present and voting or whatever.
Konmsi koman en Lezislater i enportan pou mwan kapab eksplik dimoun ki sa Lalwa pa ganny enplimante lo li.

What we mean by that?

Mon lenterpretasyon keksoz i se ki sa co-opting i ganny fer dan sirkonstans.

Akoz i dir ou ‘the Tribunal may co-opt any person ki annan technical expertise.’ Be ler mon pe get li mon.

sa Chairperson ek son 7 dimoun, form Tribunal.

En manm Tribunal co-opted under pa Tribunal.

zot ki ganny se En manm ki ganny selekte pou vin lo e Tribunal i en manm sa Tribunal.
I pa pe ganny co- opted li.

Co-option i ganny fer pou en dimoun ki an deor sa 7.

39 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 So nou bezwen konpran sa byen.

Akoz otherwise then nou pe mix le de.

Mon konpran ki largiman ki pe ganny fer.

Akoz i annan largiman pe ganny fer from a perspektiv ziridik.

ki Be selman eski pa nou fer kler Tribinal quorum Lafanmir?

Nou pa fer kler ki quorum Tribinal Lanplwa.

Eski Lalwa pa eprekonize konbyen dimoun ki pou asiz lo Tribinal Lanplwa?
So, mon konpran petet Me problenm ek sa enn.

selman mon pa subscribe to largiman ki lalwa i ase kler pou fer nou konpran sa.

E prezan mon ti ava kontan demann Minis en kestyon ou dir mwan koumsa sa dimoun i ganny peye ler i pe sit lo Tribinal.

Si Tribinal pe sit mon pa’n ganny swazir pou al lo Tribinal sa zour.

So, mon pa ou ganny peye?

Mon pa pou ganny peye?

Se sa ki zot pe dir nou.

Me i kler sa.

Mon ti ava kontan ganny klarifikasyon lo sa premye pwen.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.


AG oubyen panel.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman mon krwar Leader Lopozisyon, Onorab Leader Lopozisyon in raise en issue ki majority of an unknown.

Non i pa of an unknown, krwar akoz mon Leader Lopozisyon pran pa konsiderasyon Seksyon 15.

Nou pa pe koz, nou pa'n dir quorum.

pe in E fact en premye amannman ki Onorab Leader Deputy Speaker ti fer, se pou sanz headnotes of seksyon 15.
Nou ti tir quorum akoz dan body of the law i composition of the Tribunal for adjudication of any matter.

So ou annan ou 8 manm Tribinal, ki enkli Chairperson avek son 7 manm.

E but then i pe exercise jurisdiction, i pou exercise son jurisdiction by the Chairperson.

Me i kapab then select any number of members pou sit avek li.

the Chairperson I annan en konfizyon ant sibseksyon 4.

Sibseksyon 4 i dir ‘The Chairperson may co-opt any person who, in the opinion may require the Tribinal during the hearing’.
it comes Me when to select.

So i annan enn kot ou select ou members ki li in ganny apwente anba sa Lalwa.

40 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 E apre i annan co-opt any person ki dan son lopinyon i annan technical knowledge.

serten Rezondet deryer sa, policy deryer sa se ki si par egzanp sa 7 manm zot kouver only en serten - annou pran en legzanp, mon pe zis pran sa legzanp pa ki i vreman en legzanp pli reflesi.
Si par egzanp demen i annan en dimoun i vin kot Tribinal, e i vin raise en issue ki en dimoun in offer li crypto in pran crypto currency e currency in barter for money for crypto currency.

E Tribinal i santi poudir napa personn dan mon panel ki annan technical knowledge of what crypto currency is.

Akoz parey nou konnen i ankor en keksoz ki konfiz bokou dimoun.

I annan i dir ou i en asset.

I annan i dir ou i pa en asset.

E i anvi co-opt ki konn crypto.

Sa i en legzanp klasik.


En legzanp ki kapab ganny servi.

So, mon pa krwar i annan en problenm lo la.

Si nou, when it comes to the issue about peye, fason ki mannyer Lalwa in ganny fer se ki bann manm pou ganny peye per sitting.

Savedir ganny apwente.

So kree sa 7 manm.

E zot apre a sak fwa ki zot, zot hear en case devan Tribinal, then zot ganny peye e la pou annan rates ki ava ganny bann determinen for each sitting konbyen zot gannyen e tou.
In fact, lontan bann Court of Appeal Judges ti ganny peye by sitting.

Zot pa ti ganny en saler zot.

Ler zot ti vin Sesel la zot ti ganny peye en larzan for every day, for every session of the Court of Appeal.

So i en pti pe dan sa laliny.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Henrie.

Yes Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair mon krwar i annan en keksoz ki reste pending.

E sa se malgre leksplikasyon Attorney General ki Chairperson pou toultan fer sir ki i annan en odd number.
ti anvi Mon pa sir ki Lalwa mannyer i ete actually provides for that.

E provides for that.

E fer en mon propozisyon.

E sa se en konsern ki’n ganny souleve par Bills e par Deputy Committee Speaker, Deputy Onorab Speaker ozordi.
zis E pou dir dan 15 (2) pou azoute at the end ‘out of a abundance of caution’ apre 41 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 ‘matter’ azoute ‘and where the Chairperson so selects, the Chairperson shall select such number of members as shall ensure is composed of an odd number’.

the Tribunal that Just to make this clear.

I en substantial amendment alor tou keksoz pou depan lo ou.
Mon pa konnen si Onorab Deputy Speaker ti anvi pran sa koman en propozisyon e move li avek ou permisyon Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Wi i kapab move.

Si panel i aksepte.

senp vin amannman.

Pou vi napa, pou vi nou pa bezwen al dan en gran prosesis deba ladan.

en I Yes Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Wi Mr Speaker mwan mon konpran sa statement ki ou’n fer.

Me selman mon pa dakor ek sa statement ki ou’n fer.

Panel napa naryen pou li dir nou si i aksepte oubyen non, li.
Si nou, nou santi poudir nou bezwen etablir klarite dan Lalwa, then sa ki nou demann ek ou akoz Standing Order i dir ki nou bezwen annan 48 erdtan pou anmenn sa lamannman.

72 hours sorry si mon pa tronpe.

Ou ki pou bezwen relax prosedir pou vwar.

Mon vwar li lamannman koman en sibstansyel ler mon pe regard li.

akoz i pe zis mentenir klarite.

Sa ki Attorney Zeneral pe dir nou i sipoze arive an pratik.
Sa ki nou koman lezislater pe dir, nou ti ava prefere war li ganny ekrir dan Lalwa, pou ki i kler pou tou dimoun ki pou enterakte ek sa Lalwa.

Be it Tribinal, be it piblik, ki sa i ganny mete dan Lalwa pou fer sir ki landscape i kler pou tou dimoun.

Se sa ki nou pe dir.

E mwan mon krwar sa i en lamannman ki neseser ganny fer.

MR SPEAKER Wi be selman panel i bezwen annan son say pou fer sir - HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Non Mr Speaker mon pa dakor ek ou.

MR SPEAKER Hold-on!
MR SPEAKER Hold-on!

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY En mistake ki nou pe fer sa.

Non.

MR SPEAKER I bezwen annan son say pou fer sir ki i pa pe deranz sa Lalwa dan en lot fason, dan en lot soz.

Mon pa pe dir ki panel pou deside.

Si panel i war sa i 42 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 akseptab then Lasanble i kapab vote dir yes.

Si i le.

Be selman.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Ok Mr Speaker.


MR SPEAKER Be selman nou pa kapab met en keksoz ki deranz lezot provizyon dan sa Lalwa e sa se zis panel ki kapab donn en prononsman lo la.

AG ou kapab adres sa silvouple.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Mr Chairman, nou napa okenn obzeksyon lo sa propozisyon.

MR SPEAKER Ok. Prezan Lasanble eski i annan okenn lot Manm ki anvi counter sa propozisyon ki’n ganny fer oubyen nou aksepte li?

Si napa obzeksyon ok it is accepted, Thank you.

Onorab Henrie.
Onorab Henrie.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mr Chair nou kontinyen.

Nou annan en pe pou ale so mon ti ava swete nou al en pti pe pli vit.

Nou lo Clause 15 (3).

Dan premye laliny apre sa mon ‘presided’ nou le azout mo ‘over’.

So i ava lir.

‘A sitting of the Tribunal under subsection (2) shall be presided the over Chairperson’.

by Nou al lo lot paz savedir 28 Clause 17.

Salaries, allowances, etc, of members of Tribunal.

Dan 17 (2).

Dan dezyenm laliny.

Wi dan 16 (2) Mr Chair.

mon prezant en leskiz 16 (2).


Dan premye laliny apre ‘than’ nou le azout ‘the’.

So pou li lir ‘The Chairperson of the Tribunal shall, not later than the 31st day of March in each year’.

MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair eskiz mwan.

Mon bezwen retourn an naryen en pti kou akoz i annan en pwen ki mon krwar nou pa'n fer.

Si mon kapab demann retourn lo 14 (5).

14 (5) se kot Sef Zis i apwent bann lezot Manm sa Tribinal.

E mon krwar ki nou bezwen fer li kler.


Akoz mannyer i ete la i dir shall, in ‘The Minister the Chief consultation with Justice, appoint other members who shall serve on a part time basis’.

Mon krwar nou devret dir ‘appoint the other members’.

43 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Pou fer sir ki se sa 7 ki i apwente.

E non pa okenn dimoun an deor sa 7.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Minis.

Ok Minis i dir i ok. Let’s move on back to Onorab Henrie.
Ou ti'n ariv lo… HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Savedir nou pe al lo Clause 17.

Salaries, allowances, etc.

lo paz 28 - 17 (2).

MR SPEAKER 17 (2) ok les li fer son pwen.

wi ale.

17 (2) ki ou pe dir lo la Onorab Henrie?

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Non, mon ti krwar Onorab Leader Lopozisyon lev lanmen non?

in MR SPEAKER Wi mon krwar i le koz lo 17 (2).

Ale ou fer ou pwen.
Ale ou fer ou pwen.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Ok. 17 (2) dan dezyenm laliny apre ‘members’ nou le azout ‘of lir the Tribunal’, pou other of ‘employment members of the Tribunal shall be determined’.

the li MR SPEAKER Onorab Henrie.

Onorab Pillay ou le fer en pwen lo la.

Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman mwan le zis rod en quick mon klarifikasyon avek Minis.

An relasyon avek bann Gouvernman.

Board Gouvernman pou enskrir en sa ki ou apel Honorarium ki bann Board Members i ganny peye.

Right?
Right?

E an relasyon ek sa la, sa ki mon pe Tribinal konpran se ki sa konpozisyon ki ti Trading Commission ki egziste ozordi, in bouz anba Zidisyer pou li kouver the cost of sa Tribinal.

anba Fair lendepandans pou Eski nou pe anvizaze ki pou annan en, akoz mon pa konnen ki mannyer i pou marse.

Akoz Zidisyer i sipoze annan li remunerates.

i pou annan en Eski maximum En maximum ki pou ganny etablir lo konbyen en Manm sa Tribinal pou gannyen as en Honorarium.

oubyen.
oubyen.

Apre zis an pasan Mr Speaker, mon le zis ranforsi le pwen.

E remind ou Lartik 85 ek 86 Konstitisyon.

in Ki se ki legislative power is vested National the Assembly.

And not with the member, malgre zot la, be not with the executive.

44 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 So, mon pran lofans sa kestyon.

Si panel i dakor avek en lamannman.

I think that should not be a practice ki nou purvey dan Lasanble.

Mon pa krwar sa i lafason ki nou devret ale.

Akoz i pou kre en presep.


En persepsyon ki nou bezwen demann permisyon en Gouvernman lamannman lo en Lalwa.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

pou fer nenport ki diferan – sa- seksyon bann Lasanble osi i vini ler i set ler bann members of sa, secretariat.

en I diskisyon ki ganny fer lo size Bidzeter.

annan So, me Lalwa i kler, se the Chief Justice ki determine.

Me in practical wise i bezwen en diskisyon finansman sa lo Bidze.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mon pa pou al dan sa pwen.

Nou a kontinyen.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.


Ok, nou a kontinyen Onorab Henrie.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Nou lo Clause 19.

MR SPEAKER Eskiz mwan in lev en pwen pou klarifikasyon.

Lekel ki pou adrese?

AG oubyen Minis.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Seksyon 17, wi seksyon 17 (2).

I dir ‘shall be determined the Chief by Justice’.

Me obviously in practical sense tou keksoz ki annan pou fer avek reminerasyon larzan.

I bezwen diskisyon avek Minister Finans lo alokasyon Bidze.
So ler i pou set sa, i bezwen fer dan bann paramet.

Akoz si - E sa i apply pou HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Savedir nou lo Clause 19.

Appointment of Acting Member.

Dan 19 (1) dan dezyenm laliny zis apre mo ‘performing’ nou le azout ‘his or her duties’ pou li lir ‘a member temporarily or is incapable of performing his or her duties’.

absent Apre nou al lo Clause 20 lo paz 29.

20(1)(b) dan premye laliny nou pou azout ‘s’ avek proceedings.

Pou li lir ‘terminate the proceedings’.


Dan Clause 22 Mr Chair.

wi 20 ankor, touzour 20 (3) dan trwazyenm laliny apre ‘Tribunal’ nou le azout ‘comprising’.

Pou li lir ‘relation to any proceedings commenced before 45 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 the Tribunal comprising of that member’.

Sa i lo 20 (3).

Prezan la nou al lo clause 22.

22 (1)(a)(i) dan dezyenm laliny nou pe tir 2 mo, ‘for adjudication’.
So i pou lir ‘any complaint of alleged prohibited conduct referred to it by the Commission under section 35(3)’.

MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman mon le zis akoz la mon pe catch up avek en pwen ki Onorab Georges in fer taler, vizavi Minis apwent en manm.

E mon le zis tyek en kou Clause 19 (1).

Ok.

I dir ler Chief Justice i satisfied ki en manm pa la, e i dir ou ‘The Chief Justice main consultation with the Minister appoint’.
Anler mon rapel Onorab Georges ou ti dir poudir se Minis ki apwent bann lezot manm lo Tribinal.

Eski sa fwa si la ler i annan, eski nou pou fer en derogasyon ant ler i annan en absence ki mannyer apwentman i ganny fer?

Avek ler apwentman fer orizinalman.

i ganny Ou konpran ki mon pe dir?

MR SPEAKER Onorab Georges ou pe konsilte sa bann seksyon?

HON BERNARD GEORGES efektivman Mr Chair.

Wi Onorab Leader Lopozisyon i annan rezon.

Ler i apwente se Minis an konsiltasyon avek Sef Ziz.
Me ler pou ranplase, se sef Ziz an konsiltasyon avek Minis.

Me mon mazinen ki, e la mon pe koz pou panel, akoz mon pa konnen ki sa ki dan lespri bann ki'n drafte sa.

Me mon mazinen ki ler ou pe substitute, Tribinal in fini ganny konpoze alor in tonm anba Sef Ziz.

Alor se pou sa rezon ki se Sef Ziz at that point ki bezwen fer li e non pa Minis.

But I am just surmising.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Panel i annan en pwennvi lo la please?

AG yes.
AG yes.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Yes, mon krwar parey ki in ganny dir.

Se Sef Zis ki pou apwent the other Magistrate.

Me sa akoz i tanporer.

Because there is an absence.

Me selman lapwentman pou ganny fer.

Eski Leader 46 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 lo pe Lopozisyon Chairperson oubyen bann lezot manm?

koz HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY (Off-Mic) THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Bon bann manm pou ganny apwente parey ou’n dir par Minis an konsiltasyon ek Sef Ziz.
E nou'n koz absence of only the Chairperson.

Mon pa mazin nou'n ganny absence of the other members.

MR SPEAKER Well the 19 (1) (a) i dir ‘a member is absent’.

I refer to members.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY i pou en acting Again, sa appointment.

So Sef Ziz i ava apwent en dimoun to act.

MR SPEAKER Ok. Eski Lasanble i satisfe avek sa?

Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker mwan mon pa satisfe ek sa leksplikasyon.

Mon konpran ki Onorab Georges pe dir.


Akoz ler ou’n konstitye ou’n dir anba purview Zidisyer.

Me selman still lefe i reste ki se Minis ki annan rol pou apwent bann lezot Manm.

So Sef Ziz i bezwen alert Minis.

Mon ti ava konpran pou dir Sef Ziz i alert Minis poudir be gete ou annan en manm pa pe vini swa manm pe ganny retire.

So, mon krwar i still reste ki, akoz si ou pou fer en revi ziridik lo sa sityasyon, Minis is the accounting officer la anba sa Lalwa.
So, Minis ki bezwen retenir pouvwar pou re apwent en lot manm.

Akoz nou bezwen hold Minis accountable e responsab pou son aksyon ki i pran anba Egzekitiv.

Dan sa konteks nou pa pe hold Minis responsab.

Nou pe hold Sef Ziz responsab pou sa konpozisyon sa Tribinal.

Se sa ki mon krwar i devret, Minis i bezwen apwent en manm apre ki in konsilte ek Sef Ziz dan labsans en manm.

Nou retenir li parey.

Si ou konpran mwan.

MR SPEAKER So ou pe dir turn this around?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Wi.


Akoz pou fer li anliny avek lo sa ki Minis komansman.

ti dir 47 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 MR SPEAKER Yes, dan plas Chief Justice met Minister e Chief Justice.

In consultation with Chief Justice.

Panel yes.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairmen mon krwar Onorab Leader Lopozisyon in donn en lesplikasyon lo la ki pli plozib e pratik.

Avan ki Tribinal i ganny, ler Tribinal fini ganny in constituted.
E sa manm ler in ganny apwente.

Se si i absan se Sef Ziz ki pou konnen e absan.

E se sa rezon ki sef Ziz prezan i ava konsilte Minis e i ava dir ek Minis be i annan en dimoun ki absan e mon anvi apwent en serten manm pou pandan sa peryod labsans oubyen incapacity ziska ler sa vacancy is filled.

Me parey avek Chairperson, se Sef Ziz ki pou deside lekel en lot dimoun ki qualify koman en Mazistra pou li apwente dan sa pozisyon Chairperson lo manm.
Petet nou ti pe fer sa sityasyon pli consistent apre than o apwentman.

Rather moman ki Act i komans operasyon.

Savedir Tribinal i ganny establish, oubyen ler ki sa bann Manm i fini zot term.

La prezan Minis i apwente an konsiltasyon avek Sef Ziz.

Me si Lasanble i santi poudir i pou pli konsistan ki Minis i apwente an konsiltasyon avek Sef Ziz.

Then we don’t have an issue.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Meri Mr Speaker.

Mon pou fer mon pwen pli kler.


Ekspre mon’n anmenn AG la.

Akoz taler ou ti dir ek mwan koumsa irrespective of sa 7 poudir manm sa Tribinal i kapab fonksyonnen.

So, absence of a member should not be an issue.

Sa ki mon pe war premyerman se ki ler nou’n met sa clause ansanm.

Nou'n met absence of a member.

Mon krwar nou ti devret kalifye.

Sa vacancy i devret vin ler en Manm pa kapab perform son fonksyon as a member.

Akoz absence of a member is irrelevant an relasyon avek sa Tribinal.
Zisteman pou rezon ki Onorab Georges in dir ki sa Mazistra i kapab lo son prop volition, i bezwen zis 3 Manm pou sit lo en ka.

Sa ki mon krwar mon pe sey etablir se oversight lo sa ki 48 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Zidisyer i fer i pa purview Lasanble Nasyonal.

Me oversight lo sa ki Gouvernman i fer i purview Lasanble Nasyonal.

So se sa ki mon le retenir perspektiv pou nou kapab annan oversight lo sa ki ganny fer anba sa Lalwa.

appoint a person to act’.


Ok i bezwen shall, i bezwen fors li.

Akoz sansan i riske reste avek zis mwens ki 7 dimoun.

So, the minute ‘the Chief Justice shall direct in consultation with him or her to appoint a new Member’.

Mersi.

the Minister MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair mon krwar ki pli, an mezir ki mon pe reflesir lo la, mon krwar ki tou lede kote i annan rezon.
I kler parey Attorney Zeneral i dir ki en fwa ki Tribinal i ganny konstitye se Sef Ziz ki responsab pou sa Tribinal e se li ki pou konnen si i annan en manm ki absan.

E donk se li ki bezwen pran linisyativ.

Me sa pa ipso facto eksklir lefe ki en fwa ki in fer sa, in rekonnet sa, i pa kapab demann Minis apwent en manm ranplasan.

Alor mon krwar ki la nou kapab fer en distenksyon e mon ti ava propoze ki nou mete dan 19 (1) apre (b).

‘The Chief Justice shall’.

Ok in konsyan ki i annan en manm ki absan.


“The Chief Justice shall direct the Minister to in consultation with him MR SPEAKER Ok. Nou annan en nouvo propozisyon la.

AG ou ….

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Nou napa obzeksyon.

Mon konnen poudir Onorab Leader Lopozisyon in fer sorti sa mo absence.

Mwan, mon krwar dan sa ka absence pou ganny en purposive interpretation, vi ki bann manm i part-time.

Savedir nou pou bezwen met li par egzanp en dimoun ki parey nou servi dan anba vye Curatelle Act.
Nou apel li en absentee.

Se en absentee i ganny define more or less en dimoun ki pa dan pei.

Ki nou pa pe war li.

Nou napa kontak ek li.

MR SPEAKER Ok.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY 49 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Oubyen Egzakteman.

consistently parey Onorab Georges i dir pa vini.

Me selman i kapab, me temporarily in capable i vin pli larz dan lesans ki sa dimoun i kapab malad e i pa pe kapab perform son duty.

E i enform ou, i dir ek ou koumsa be gete mwan.


Ouswa en dimoun i pe al en training i dir ou be mon pa pou la pou 6 mwan.

So, mon kwa sa i nou kapab gard absence.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Eski Lasanble i dernyen sa aksepte propozisyon?

Napa obzeksyon.

Ok in that case it is accepted.

Onorab Henrie.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Nou ankor lo clause 22 Mr Speaker.

Nou lo 22 (1) (a) (v).

E la nou le azout ‘a’ devan ‘grant’ ‘a pou of authorization’.

grant dir Nou bouz lo 22 (2) dan dernyen laliny.


Nou le tir sa mo “the’ devan ‘property’ pou li lir ‘physical damage to property under section 56’.

Nou al lo lot seksyon ki Seal of the Tribunal.

Lo paz 31 Clause 24(1).

Dan dezyenm laliny nou ‘a’ devan le tir ‘proceeding’ pou azout ‘s’.

Pou li lir ‘refer a question of law arising in proceedings before it’.

Dan 24 (2) dan premye laliny nou pou fer menm zafer.
Nou devan tir ‘proceeding’ e nou pou azout ‘s’ ek ‘proceeding’, pou li lir ‘If a question of in proceedings’.

law arising pou ‘a’ Lot clause nou al lo 25 touzour lo paz 31.

Indemnity of members of Tribunal.

MR SPEAKER One moment Onorab Pillay.

please.

Yes HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Speaker mwan.

Mr Mr Chairman mon pa war kote nou’n mete.

Koriz mwan si mon pa korek.

Kote nou'n mete ki en manm Tribinal i bezwen deklar son lentere?

Legalman nou obliz li pou deklar son lentere an relasyon avek en.
28 ok alright.

MR SPEAKER So, sa i pli devan.

Ou ava konsider li ler nou ariv dan sa plas.

Onorab Henrie.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi, Mr Chair.

Nou lo Clause 25, Indemnity of members of Tribunal.

Lo 25(a) nou pou tir serten mo e azout serten mo.


So, mon zis lir ‘shall not be 50 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 liable for anything done by any’, nou pou tir ‘one of them’ e met ‘him or her’ in good faith in the performance of, nou pou tir ‘their’ e met ‘his or her’ functions under this Act.

So i lir, shall not be liable for anything done by ‘any’ - MR SPEAKER Mon krwar ou annan en ‘any ‘tro bokou la.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Nou bezwen tir ‘by’ avek ‘any’ non?
HON BERNARD GEORGES Anyone of them.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Anyone of them.

Ok, so i lir nou ‘shall not be liable for anything done by him or her in good faith in the performance of his or her functions under this Act.’ MR SPEAKER Eski mon a zis demande si dan 25 si i pa bezwen a Member of the Tribunal la ?

Sorry, ou ti pe adres sa Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mon ti pe al lev sa pwen Mr Chair.

In fact, mon bezwen pran responsabilite pou sa, akoz mwan ki’n donn move lenstriksyon Committee.
avek Bills Swa nou ti pou kit members of the Tribunal shall not be liable for anything done by any of them.

Or nou ti pou fer li vin sengilye.

Etandonnen ki nou’n fer li vin sengilye, nou bezwen met ‘a Member of the Tribunal’ dan son chapeau.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Ok, Onorab Henrie ou a kontinyen.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Yes Mr Chair, mersi.

Nou pou al next lamannman.


Mon vwar en pti lamannman, anpenn si lizye i kapab vwar lo clause 29, 5enm laliny kot i komans of the Tribunal or the Chief Executive Officer, nou met en comma la apre.

Apre ‘officer.’ MR SPEAKER Thank you, kontinyen.

Panel pe lev lanmen.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Apre nou bouz lo clause 30.

Funds of Commission, dan 30(2).

E dan sa fraz ki dir, ‘The funds of the Commission may be applied to.’ Savedir nou pou tir ‘for’ pou ranplas li par ‘to’.
MR SPEAKER 51 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 One second, Minis lanmen.

in lev MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Yes Mr Chairman.

Non, zis pou 30(1)(c) kot nou pe koz ‘moneys received by the Commission by way of grants.

‘ Ou konnen, mon prensip lo la se ki tou larzan ki antre should then be appropriated the Consolidated Fund budget and the National approved by Assembly.
from So, mon mazinen si nou ti kapab met en ‘moneys received by the Commission by way of grants as per the Public Financial Management Act’ ki a donn sa gidans ki mannyer ki larzan ki vini.

It comes to Government, appropriated and approved by the National Assembly.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Pillay.


HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker, mon ti pe raise menm pwen, akoz nou pou annan en issue going around akoz i annan en fason ki Minister Finans i tret grants anba current prosedir ki nou pran Bidze.

E grants i ganny allocated within Bidze, apre i ganny appropriated as such.
Sa ki pou fer, se ki ler pou fer lodit pou sa Lorganizasyon, son lodit pou vin difisil akoz ou pou annan larzan ki sorti dan Consolidated Fund e ou pou annan larzan ki ou’n gannyen, meton par en grant avek EU somewhere, ki pou pe ed li fer son fonksyon, me ki oditer pa pou kapab capture dan son odit si i pe fer en performance audit par egzanp.

So, i enportan ki nou met li anba framework.


Zis mon oule fer sir nou kler ki si, eski PFM ki fer sa, oubyen eski Polisi Gouvernman ozordi ki mannyer zot deal avek grants, kot zot fer li NNL effects, si i antre, si i pa antre eksetera?

Akoz nou pa pe koz zis grants la - eski nou pou koz osi lo bann.

Nou Komisyon i pou annan relasyon ek bann lezot Komisyon enternasyonalman.

E i annan lezot Komisyon par egzanp, lezot lorganizasyon ki ed bann antite ki fer bann fonksyon koumsa.
So, eski sa i encompass to sa bann eleman?

Me mon krwar i byen ki nou met li anba PFM Act.

Sa osi mon krwar i enportan.

Apre vi ki mon annan floor, eski Minis ti kapab eksplik nou ler i ariv kot 32(c) ki nou pe sey dir par creating any reserves as may be determined 52 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 by the Commission?

Ki sa rezerv ki nou pe koz lo la ler nou pe koz Mersi Mr la?

Chairman.
Chairman.

lo by Mon krwar nou devret amann, selman Seksyon 30 (c) ‘moneys the received Commission by way of grants, in accordance with the Public Finance Management, Act.’ In accordance with the provisions with Finance the Management Act.

Public MR SPEAKER Kekfwa Minis i a zis repet sa adisyon ki i oule mete, koumsa Lasanble a kapab deside.

Minis.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.


Mon mazinen ti ava - avek gidans bann dimoun legal nou ti a word li ‘moneys the received Commission by way of grants in line with the procedures laid in accordance with the Financial Management Act.’ by MR SPEAKER Byen.

Lasanble i annan okenn lobzeksyon lo la oubyen nou aksepte?

Onorab Georges, ou lo la.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Zis the name of the Act Mr Chair, ‘In accordance with the of the Public provisions Financial Management Act.’ Is that it?
Or Public Finances.

What is the name of the Act itself?

Public Finance Management Act.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Accepted?

Byen.

Pwen Onorab Pillay dan 30(2)(c).

any reserves.’ Eski panel pou donn son pwennvi lo la?

‘Creating HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mr Chair nou pa ankor ariv laba.

MR SPEAKER Ou pa ankor ariv laba ou?

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Non, nou ankor lo 30(2)(b).

MR SPEAKER Oh, alright.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE E i annan en pti lamannman la.


Lo premye laliny apre ‘to’ nou oule met mo ‘the’ pou li lir and allowances the Chief to Executive Officer.

Prezan la nou kapab al lo ‘c.’ MR SPEAKER 53 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Yes, ok. Minis eski ou pou donn en pwennvi lo propozisyon pou 30(2)(c).

Yes Minister.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.


Wi Onorab, ler mon pe get sa clause mwan osi, mon pa vwar nesesite annan Clause 30(2)(c), son mon propoz en deletion of 30(2)(c) akoz mon pa vwar dan ki lenstans ki ou pou kree en rezerv for the the Fair public.

Trading Commission.

Mersi, Sorry for MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Lasanble.

This accepted Wi.

Minis HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Wi Mr Chair, Minis in propoz en in lamannman.
rekomande ek Lasanble ki dan son Bill i pa ti a kontan vwar clause 30(2)(c) so, Lasanble ti ava en lamannman kot i dir repeal clause 30(2)(c) then renumber 30(2)(d).

legal draftsperson Gouvernman i a sa kapab lamannman.

Mon krwar propoz kapab avek deal MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Ok this is accepted?

right.

Yes Onorab Henrie.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE III, Nou next Yes Mr Chair.

lamannman i pou trouve dan PART Enforcement provisions.

E nou pou al lo paz 35.

Savedir i pou vin clause 33(7)(b) lo paz 35.


Dan dezyenm laliny nou oule azout mo ‘from’ apre ‘suffers.’ So, pou li lir ‘where the person is incapable of reading or writing or suffers from an incapacity to sign.’ Dan katriyenm laliny nou oule tir sa mo ‘print’ e azout affix -pou li lir ‘make his or her mark or affix his or her thumb print.’ Lot propozisyon lamannman i vin dan clause 34.

Determination of complaints lo paz 36.


34(1) dan dezyenm laliny apre ‘of’ nou oule tir mo ‘the’ pou met ‘a’ pou li lir of’ a complaint made under section 33(1).’ Dan sa menm seksyon, setadir 34(2)(d), nou oule azout mo ‘an’ devan ‘interest’ pou li lir ‘the complainant does not have an interest in the matter.’ Nou reste lo sa menm seksyon, setadir 34.
Nou pou al 34(4), dan premye laliny apre mo ‘provide’ nou oule azout ‘any’ pou li lir ‘A complaint shall lapse if the complainant fails to provide any information.’ MR SPEAKER Carry on, panel pa pe obzekte.

54 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 HON GERVAIS HENRIE Ok, i annan en pti pti.

Zis en comma dan 35(2) dezyenm laliny kot i dir ‘Commission shall,’ i vin en comma apre mo ‘shall.’ E nou reste lo 35.

35(4) lo paz 38, dan dezyenm laliny apre ‘complainant may.’ Napa?
Ok, nou tir Tou tir ‘make an.

So, ‘complainant may appeal to the Tribunal.’ lir i Next one nou bouz lo paz 39 Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Yes, seksyon 36 mon vwar nou’n met en prescription period of 2 years - 36(1).

Me eski nou ti kapab ganny en klarifikasyon petet akoz 2 years?

MR SPEAKER Panel.

Yes CEO.

CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour tou dimoun.
Bonzour tou dimoun.

Wi Onorab, nou rasyonnel ek nou thinking par deryer, currently i deza 3an e nou pe ganny en kantite difikilte pou ganny levidans pou bann case ki pe vin devan nou.

So, nou’n vwar avek lentansyon se ki fer keksoz bouz en pe pli vit e finaliz bann case pli pre - parey Minis in ganny dir dan son opening remarks, se ki nou’n redwir li par 1an ki nou’n fer li vin 2an.
Me selman sa ki mon anvi dir osi, se ki sa i pa tir drwa sa dimoun pou li anmenn okenn ka Ankour ki peryod anba Civil Code i 5an.

Ok?

Me selman mon vwar poudir i neseser avek resours ki nou annan e kalite investigation ki nou pe fer, ki 2an i soutenab pou nou kapab travay around sa time ek levidans ki available.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Yes, Onorab Pillay.

preskripsyon HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Se sa kestyon ki mon ti pe klarifye.

Vi ki ler nou pas lamannman lo Civil Code nou ti regard an relasyon avek 5an.
So, eski i normal dan nou sistenm legal, dan sa framework kot sa i asize pou annan diferan peryod preskripsyon an relasyon avek serten ka?

Akoz basically sa ki pe arive la, sa i parey en case sivil.

Mwan mon’n donn ou en - ou pe met mwan Ankour pou en keksoz ki’n arive.

Ou konpran?
Ou konpran?

eski dan sirkonstans kot mon anmenn E prezan, 55 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 sa case Ankour, kot sa - mon pa’n amenn li dan 2an - Lakour i annan dwa dir, be si Komisyon Komers Zis in vwar poudir i pa pe kapab deal ek sa ka, e Komisyon Komers Zis i annan i annan tou bann eksper, dimoun ki sipoze deal ek sa ka.

Akoz ki mwan mon pou sa?

Ou konpran?


li dir So, petet mon ti oule zis fer sir ki dimoun la deor i konpran ki si ou’n depas 2an, ou pa pou kapab anmenn en ka kot Komisyon pou li al investigate pou ou, oubyen pou anmenn en ka kont en dimoun.

Savedir fodre ou konnen kan sa lofans pe arive, kan sa keksoz pe arive.

Ou annan 2an pou fer sir ou anmenn ou ka Komisyon.

Akoz otherwise nou ti pou pas sa Lalwa, en dimoun ti pou krwar poudir apre 5an ou ti pou vwar dimoun ki pe anmenn en ka kot ou.
MR SPEAKER Thank you.

CEO.

CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Wi, sa i enn bann keksoz ki lo kote ledikasyon ki bann nouvo provizyon ki nou hammer-on lo la, ki dimoun i konpran tre klerman lo sa kote.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Eskiz mwan, eski ou premye kestyon sete si i konsiltan ki i annan de - si i akseptab ki i annan 2 limit.

Enn pou sa Komisyon e lot pou - ?

Sete sa mon krwar.

Annefe si AG i kapab adres sa.

Well nou Lalwa THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Bon.

in senplifye preskripsyon.


Me dan bokou pei preskripsyon i varye lo ki ou cause of action parey nou dir.

Nou, nou annan zis en preskripsyon 5an pou tou bann personal rights.

E apre sa nou napa ankor preskripsyon.

Me selman preskripsyon i en dele letan kot ou perdi ou drwa pou anmenn en ka, pou prosekit en ka devan Lakour.

E dan sa ka se, i kler dan sa Lalwa ki en dimoun i annan en swa.

I kapab deside pou li pa anmenn son konplent devan Komisyon.
Me i pourswiv son ka devan en Lakour ki annan ziridiksyon sivil.

Me sa ki sa Lalwa i dir se ki en konplent pa pou ganny refer oubyen ganny fer anba seksyon 33 apre e peryod 2an ki’n lapse.

So, la i dat ki ou fer konplent.

Komisyon, li i kapab pran li en pe letan pou li investigate sa konplent.

E once ki in investigate sa konplent, 56 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 prezan i kapab met sa konplent devan Tribinal.

Se sa preskripsyon.
Se sa preskripsyon.

I sa dele letan i run an relasyon avek konplent ki ou pou mete devan Komisyon pou li investigate.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER So in short, yes it’s acceptable.

No?

Yes, Onorab Georges.

zeneraliz HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Mon ti zis anvi reasir Leader Onorab sa ki Lopozisyon annefe Attorney Zeneral in dir i vre.

Nou’n plito tou preskripsyon pou li vin 5an.

Me still enn de preskripsyon ki diferan.

Par egzanp si ou pe anmenn en ka ki annan pou fer ek later.
Preskripsyon swa 10an i oubyen 20an.

Si ou pe anmenn en ka pou posesyon annan defwa preskripsyon i 1an.

i annan i la ti, Donk si ou le anmenn en ka kont an recherche de paternite par egzanp, dan napa serten ka preskripsyon ditou.

Me avan sa i ti en preskripsyon zis 1an.

Donk i annan plizyer e napa naryen ki anpes en peryod preskripsyon fixed pou en ka partikilye.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Henrie, next.

to HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair, nou lo clause 37.
Powers of Commission in investigation of relation complaints.

Dan 37(1)(a) i lir koumsa, akoz nou oule azout fraz en keksoz a ‘summon any person to appear before an the Commission, (comma) ‘when in its opinion such person.’ So, nou pe azout ‘when in its opinion such person.’ lafen sa officer of Prezan dan 37(1)(a)(i) nou tir ‘in its opinion.’ I ava komans ‘will be able to furnish.’ Panel i ok avek sa.

MR SPEAKER Well si panel pa. Si zot pa obzekte nou kontinyen.
‘Imposed HON GERVAIS HENRIE Ok. Touzour dan 37.

Nou dan 37(1)(j) i pou li koumsa ‘impose’, nou tir ‘a’ - ‘impose fixed’, nou tir ‘penalty’ nou fer li plural - fixed ‘penalties.’ penalties.’ E dan 37(1)(k) dan premye laliny nou pou tir ‘and proper’.
Alor i pou lir, ‘to do all the necessary acts in the lawful exercise.’ Nou kontinyen touzour dan 37, sa voyaz 37(2)(c), nou pou tir 57 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 ‘the person’ e ranplas li par ‘he or she’ pou li lir ‘has put forward particular reasons why he or she should be heard.’ in 37(4) nou pou tir ‘may’ e fer li vin ‘shall’ savedir i ava lir, apartir dan milye ‘by the Chief Executive Officer and shall be served prescribed the manner’.

Apre nou pou sorti.
Apre nou pou sorti.

Setadir, la lo paz 40 e nou pou bouz lo paz 42.

E nou pe koz lo clause 38.

Savedir i pou vin 38(8) lo paz 42.

Dan dernyen laliny nou oule tir ‘that is’ pou li lir ‘the documents or extracts therefrom removed the warrant.’ E zis par lao Mr Chair, wi i annan en comma apre ‘to’ pou tire.

Ok, fini aksepte.

Nou dan clause 39. terms of in HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY 38 i donn ‘power to search and seize on warrant.’ MR SPEAKER Ok, so dan 8 en?

Yes panel.

Yes, eski AG in lev lanmen?

Yes AG.


HON GERVAIS HENRIE Nou ti lo 38.

38(8) page 42.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Bon se en zofisye Komisyon i a kapab fer sa search.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Avek ou permisyon Mr Chair.

Mon oule klarifye.

MR SPEAKER Yes, hold on please.

Onorab Pillay.

MR SPEAKER Yes.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Wi Mr Chairman, very quick query.

So, eski nou pe dir ki zofisye Komisyon ki pou annan power of entry?
Oubyen i pou akonpannyen avek en zofisye Lapolis?

MR SPEAKER Kote ou pe fer referans, Onorab Pillay please?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Wi, Mr Chairman.

Sa ki mon oule klarifye se ki mon oule fer li kler ki sa power of entry i ganny donnen avek sa zofisye Komisyon e i pou al lo li tousel lo sa scene or whatever, pou li fer sa entry, pou li antre dan sa landrwa.
Usually dan lezot Lalwa, sa ki mon’n vwar - petet koriz mwan - i prekonize ki i 58 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 annan prezans zofisye Lapolis ler i pe fer sa search.

Akoz nou pa donn power of entry dan lezot si konstans, byen, byen.

So, mon ti oule zis klarifye ki nou pe koz sa zofisye sa Komisyon.

Mersi.

Nou a bouze pou nou al lo Clause.

MR SPEAKER One second.

Onorab Pillay i annan en pwen la.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Georges.

a HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.


Mr Chair, annefe Leader Lopozisyon son repons i dan 38(2) apre a and b.

‘the Magistrate may at any time issue search warrant authorising an officer of the Commission.

‘ Donk i kler.

Me dan 3 i dir ki si i satisfe ki sa zofisye pou bezwen lasistans i kapab direct a police officer to take such steps to help.

Alors sa i kler.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Yes, Onorab Henrie, ou kapab kontinyen.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair.


Dan Clause 39 mon’n ganny dir i annan en comma la ki’n ganny aksepte.

Savedir nou al lo Clause 40.

40(3)(b) the power to inspect.

Dan premye laliny nou oule tir ‘shall’ e met ‘may’ savedir pou li lir ‘an application may be made to a Magistrate.’ - antre HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Chair.

I zis enportan ki mon klarifye.

40(1), nou dir ki sa zofisye pou sa authorized officer pou conduct en inspection e i pou fer sa only in daylight?

Zis dan lazournen?
Zis dan lazournen?

‘In daylight enter any land or to premises ascertain In daylight.

I pa pou fer li aswar?

inspect to compliance.’ it MR SPEAKER Well i met in daylight.

AG mon pa konnen si ou kapab adrese.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Mr warant Chairman, normalman pa ganny egzekite aswar.

Sirtou search.

MR SPEAKER Ok.

In tande.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Chairman, sorry.

I enportan pou nou klarifye, akoz in annan sirkonstans kot dimoun in serkle kot dimoun pou fer search aswar.
59 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 MR SPEAKER So, AG ou pe konfirmen ki in daylight la.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY I annan bann sirkonstans par egzanp anba Misuse of Drug Act.

Me selman zeneralman, par egzanp servi somonn, i annan en ler ki ou servi somonn.

Mersi.

Me selman Mr Chair.

Sa Lalwa li in dir, in fer provizyon.

In dir si pou annan en search, i ganny fer during daylight.

So - MR SPEAKER Thank you, mon krwar sa in klarifye.

Onorab Henrie.
Onorab Henrie.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair, nou lo clause 41 lo paz 44 laliny kot Imposition of fixed penalties.

Dan sizyenm i komans avek ‘discharge their ‘of liability,’ nou oule payment of’ pou ranplas li par ‘ to pay’.

So, i pou lir koumsa, ‘discharge their liability to pay the financial penalty.’ tir i konmans Touzour 41(2) dan dezyenm laliny kot than SCR1,500 and, nou pou azout ‘shall’ not exceed SCR20,000.
Alors i pou lir koumsa ‘shall be not less than SCR1,500 and shall not exceed SCR20,000.’ 41.

(4)(a) nou oule azout ‘a’ zis apre ‘give’ pou li dir’ give a brief description.’ Nou ava bouz lo 41(5).

41(5) lo paz 45.

Dan premye laliny nou oule tir ‘a’ pou ranplas li par ‘the’.

I ava lir as if it were a financial penalty imposed for commission of the prohibited conduct.’ Nou pou bouz lo clause 42. offences.

Compounding of Selman nou pou al lo paz 46.


Savedir i pou vin 42(4) dan dernyen aliny ki komans ‘and the financial benefit accrued’, nou pou azout ‘to the offender’ from the violation.

Nou’n zis ranplas sa mo la.

Nou bouz 42(6), i annan en keksoz mon’n manke?

Ah 5, dernyen laliny.

Apre offender nou’n azout ‘in’ savedir i vin ‘offender in accordance with subsection (1).’ Bann kouler in sanze from purple to blue.

Savedir nou reste lo 42.

Nou lo 42(6) aprezan.


Dan laliny avan dernyen ki komans sum of money within 14 days from the date of service of, nou pe azout ‘the compounding agreement.

42(7) zis apre ‘in the event’ nou pe azout mo ‘that’.

4.

(8) dan bouz Nou lafen mo laliny a dezyenm ‘thereupon’ nou pou tir ‘the’ pou met ‘any’.
I ava lir ‘in court and 60 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 thereupon any proceedings.’ Dan menm laliny ki komans avek ‘proceedings’ apre ‘which’ nou pou tir ‘is’ pou ranplas li par ‘are’ pou li vin ‘offence which are pending.’ Dan 42(9) dan dezyenm laliny kot i komans and final nou pou tir sa mo ‘and’.

Nou ok avek sa?

Non, nou pa ok avek?

Nou pa pou tire?

MR SPEAKER Well, i sanble mwan i annan en keksoz ki manke la si ou tir sa ‘and’.

Mon krwar ou bezwen sa ‘and’, non?


‘Shall be conclusive and court proceedings shall be instituted.’ ‘and’ no final HON GERVAIS HENRIE Savedir Mr Chair, i reste parey.

Mon a re lir, sa dernyen laliny i vin ‘and final and no court proceedings shall be instituted for that offence.’ Nou ava bouz lo clause 43(2) dan dezyenm laliny ki komans avek chambers and, nou oule lir ‘shall’ pou azout mo ‘chambers be and accompanied by an affidavit.’ Nou pou bouz lo lot paz, me touzour lo clause 43.
Nou pou al lo 43(4) lo paz 47.

Dan dezyenm laliny ki komans avek ‘person named in the order of notice of the issue of the order’, ‘but’ e azout nou pou tir shall li ‘however’ - ‘however the non- service.’ Eski panel i ok avek, the word ‘however’ dan plas ‘but.’ Ok?

Mr Chair, nou reste lo clause 43.

Nou lo 4.

(6), dan dernyen laliny nou oule azout ‘s’ avek mo ‘requirement’.

Dan dernyen laliny, 43(6).

Prosen propozisyon lamannman i pou dan Chapter II.


MR SPEAKER Bon, me si ou’n ariv lo Chapter II, part II, mon krwar nou a bezwen pran en pause la, i en bon moman.

Zis bookmark sa landrwa kot nou’n arive.

Nou a pran pause nou a re pran travay 2er.

Mersi.

(BREAK) MR SPEAKER (Part missing due to technical issues)… konsiderasyon bann amendments ek klarifikasyon.
Onorab Henrie in averti mwan poudir in bezwen deplase pou en lot langazman ki i bezwen tenir e Onorab Hoareau pou kontinyen avek travay prezant bann amannman.

HON JOHN HOAREAU Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonn apre midi Minis, bonn apre midi tou dimoun.

Nou’n ariv zisteman lo 61 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 kot after 45(4)(e) the word ‘shall’ nou pe met the word ‘receive’.

Nou pou kontinyen, nou pou al en pe vit akoz vi ki sa i en gro dokiman.

next amendment.
next amendment.

Nou MR SPEAKER Un instant, Onorab Georges i annan en pwen.

Onorab Georges, wi.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair, annefe dan (f) mon ti anvi propoz en pti amannman ki mon vwar zot in manke.

‘May permit and regulate the use in any any telecommunication facility that the Tribunal considers will assist ‘it’ in the determination of a matter.’ Mon pe propoz ki nou insert ‘it’.

proceedings of MR SPEAKER Si panel pa pe lev lanmen nou kapab kontinyen.

En pti lamannman teknik.


HON JOHN HOAREAU Mr Speaker, nou’n ariv lo 53(3) kot apre the word ‘member’ dezyenm laliny, nou add ‘or members’.

Apre kot lafen fraz i fini avek ‘Tribunal’ so, nou delete’ or any of them.’ Nou kontinyen avek 55(1).

55(1) dezyenm laliny after the word ‘to’ nou delete ‘the’, nou insert ‘any’.

Apre trwazyenm laliny nou, apre the word ‘Commission’ nou azout ‘and’.

Senkyenm laliny after the word ‘so’ nou delete ‘it’ nou insert ‘the Tribunal’.

56(1)(iv).

Sa 6 i Roman numerals.


Dezyenm laliny after the word ‘information’ nou add ‘or’.

Apre 56(1)(viii) Roman numerals.

(A) to refund money or return goods to, nou delete ‘the’ nou insert ‘a’ person.’ MR SPEAKER Petet nou a zis pause la, mon pa konnen si nou pe al en pe tro vit pou bann Manm, si i annan kestyon.

Ok, Onorab Pillay wi?

set aside HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker.


Lefe ki nou’n bann lamannman tipografik, mon ti a kontan zis demann en senp klarifikasyon si posib, an sa Corporate relasyon Immunity Policy ki shall be published in the Gazette.

What is the intent of providing sa Immunity Policy silvouple.

E anba seksyon 55 Mr Speaker.

(5)(1).

ek MR SPEAKER 62 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Panel.

Yes CEO.

kot CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.
Mersi Onorab.

Well corporate immunity, sanmenm sa ki nou’n koz lo la as one of sa tools ki pou ed deteksyon cartel.

I blower parey en whistle laplipar program, ziridiksyon in met an plas ozordi kot sa bann dimoun i kapab apros Commission, vin devan, serten donn lenformasyon, e si i kredib ki nou kapab servi pou prosekit bann sa lezot manm or collusion an zeneral, then ou kapab donn li serten immunity from the fines.

E tousala i pou baze lo a market system basically.


Kwa ki i pe prvide pou nou kapab servi pou nou fer sa.

E i en detection tool ki ase efektiv, i annan destriksyon ki’n servi li vreman byen.

La mon kapab dir ou parey Sid Afrik, e Moris osi i pe servi li ase byen.

Ok, mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Hoareau back to you.

HON JOHN HOAREAU Ok, nou next amendment i lo clause 57(1).

Premye laliny after the word ‘of’ nou insert ‘it’s’ nou delete ‘the.
Trwazyenm laliny menm paragraph, after the word ‘of’ ankor ‘date of’ nou insert ‘the decision’ ok. the end of 59(2) i annan en ‘s’ ki ganny azoute at the paragraph (2).

At the end of the paragraph 59(2) i annan en ‘s’ ki azoute pou fer ‘costs.’ Nou al lo 61.

Sorry 60.

Subsection (C).

60(3) subsection (C).

i annan en ‘s’ after the word ‘reason’ pou fer li ‘reasons’.

Sorry i tire, i ganny retire.

Sorry.

I ganny retire.

Ok. 61(1) dezyenm laliny after the word ‘subject to’ nou tir ‘the’.
Apre i vin confirmation, apre nou tir ‘made’.

MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab Pillay, wi.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Nou lo clause 60 e mon ti a kontan zis ankor petet en pti klarifikasyon petet pou nou kler ki nou pe dir.

Anba 60(3)(c) nou dir Komisyon ki pou resevwar sa sonm larzan ki in satisfaction of the a decision or order of Tribunal.

Prezan Komisyon ler i resevwar sa larzan se li ki pou pey sa complainant?
Savedir Tribinal pa pou fer en lord pou sa gannyen pou pey 63 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 complainnet direkteman li.

Eski sa i le ka Mr Chairman?

MR SPEAKER Onorab Pillay.

MR SPEAKER Thank you panel, lekel ki pou adrese?

AG.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Thank you.

This is why there is a ‘may.’ So, ‘the Commission may receive any sum of money in satisfaction of a decision by reason of execution.’ Sa i ler i annan egzekisyon.
Par egzanp si sa dimoun, Komisyon i kapab apply pou egzekisyon e la prezan sa larzan i kapab ganny peye avek Tribinal.

E prezan nou kapab sub prescribe en sonm ki kapab vin li, en charge ki Komisyon li i kapab gannyen an relasyon avek sa, akoz li osi i pe fer en louvraz.

Ou konnen, ler par egzanp Lakour i fer legzekisyon en zizman, Lakour i pran en serten poursantaz lo sa larzan ki i resevwar li.

So, the same.
So, the same.

Prezan Komisyon li i anvi antre dan en diskisyon avek Lakour, si an ka i annan serten egzekisyon, then i ava kapab forfeit sa atraver Komisyon.

Mon pa konnen si i kler.

Unless mon kapab klarifye en pti pe pli byen.

*Tribinal HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Wi, si petet akoz i pou enportan ou dimoun ki pe ekoute.

So, admeton mwan mon’n aste en loto e son valer i sibstansyel.

R400 a R500.

So, i arive, i annan en case, nou’n al Tribinal eksetera, tou bann keksoz i arive.
So, ler Tribinal i donn sa lord pou peye eski, mannyer mon konpran AG, Komisyon pou osi kapab resevwar as a charge part of sa larzan ki Tribinal i demande pou sa lofans.

Eski sa i le ka?

Akoz ler mon swiv anba ek 4 i osi dir poudir ‘any sum of money paid to and received par sa Komisyon for a complainant.’ Mon pe prezimen sa Komisyon i resevwar larzan lo behalf sa complainant, apre li pou Komisyon apre i pey sa complainant.

Se sa lentansyon en?

Ok. MR SPEAKER AG in konfirmen?

Wi.


HON JOHN HOAREAU Mr Speaker, nou kontinyen avek 64(1)(d).

I dir whether they, apre nou pe inset ‘ would be’.

Apre lo dezyenm laliny after the word ‘in’ nou insert ‘the’.

64 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Nou al lo 64(4) kot nou pe include the word ‘the’ apre ‘in’ lo premye laliny.

Nou al lo 66.

(1) dezyenm laliny after the word ‘or’ nou pe include ‘the’.

Nou al lo 68.

Sorry, nou al lo 66(3) kot after the word ‘terms’ nou pe retir en ‘s’.
Korek la.

Claims that a term, wi nou pe retir li plural.

Apre nou ariv lo 68(1) kot nou p - dan premye laliny nou pe met en ‘s’ apre service pou fer li vin ‘services.’ Menm zafer avek dezyenm laliny.

Goods or services.

Nou pe met en ‘s’ e nou pe retir ‘is’.

Nou pe met ‘are supplied’.

Nou ariv lo 70(2).

MR SPEAKER Un instant, Onorab Arissol i ole fer en pwen.

HON SANDY ARISSOL Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonn apre midi tou Manm.


Avan nou al lo 70(2) Mr Chair, mon ti a kontan demann avek AG 70(1)(b) ‘Where a person is required under this Act or any other written law to produce, provide or display a notice, document or other visual representation to a notice, consumer, document visual representation shall be— (a) in plain language; and (b) in English, French or Creole.
such or Mon pe zis demande si zot dan en fason korek, parske letan mon get chapter one nou Konstitisyon, i dir ek nou poudir i komans, the national language of Seychelles shall be Creole, English and French.

Be li i dir, English, French or Creole.

Mon pa konnen si i ok oubyen.

I ok. No problenm.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Hoareau wi.

Yes Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Not to be pedantic Mr Speaker, eski nou pe dir French or Creole.

Savedir a choice of one or the other?


Or nou pe dir French and Creole.

Konmsi tou le 3.

Any of the 3.

MR SPEAKER Mon krwar kot nou ti’n propoze.

AG, Creole, English or French.

So, one language.

Yes.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Thank you.

Mon krwar i pou mean any one of the 3.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Hoareau, wi.

HON JOHN HOAREAU 65 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Mersi Mr Speaker.
Nou’n ariv lo 70(2), lo sizyenm laliny after the word ‘document’ nou retir ‘of’ e nou met ‘or’.

Nou al lo 71(1)(b) pou komans sa fraz nou komans avek ‘of’ of which.

the Apre dezyenm laliny after the word ‘or’ nou include ‘of’ of which.

Nou al lo 71(c) katriyenm laliny, word after ‘agreement’ nou retir ‘and’ senkyenm laliny after ‘and’ kot i mark (2), (3) and (4), and nou tir ‘the’.

Nou ‘the’ consumers.

‘Consumers’ i reste be ‘the’ i ganny delete.


Shall be, apre nou ‘shall be include deemed to’ ‘be deemed to’.

delete Nou kontinyen lo 72(1) after the word ‘services’ nou include the word ‘offered’.

Apre 72(3)(a) plural for the word ‘ticket’ so i vin ‘tickets’.

Opposite, mon pa remarke si in met en pti cross lo la.

Wi.

So, i retir sa plural dan plas ‘tickets’ i vin ‘ticket’.

Apre bann commas nou pa pou pas lo la parske in fini agree lo la.

MR SPEAKER Yes, Onorab Pillay.


HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Ok. Mon’n resevwar bomaten en portre kot i annan sa bann.

STC lo son bann sak, sa bann sak plastik, whatever ki i servi, bann sa - i annan en RRP lo la.

Now, si en marsan i servi sa sak e i met en komodite ladan, pou met lo letazer - mon pa konnen en legim or something, kelkonk, sa display lo sa legim se sa RRP ki lo la.
So, eski zot pe dir nou poudir i devret vin en pratik par bann marsan, bann komersan, retailers ki format ki zot display pri i kler e lizib, me pa kree konfizyon pou sa konsonmater?

Eski sa i le ka.

Par egzanp mwan mon’n vwar enn sa sityasyon kot an relasyon avek en komodite ki vann en serten pri, sa RRP in mete lo la, me sa lot komodite pe ganny vann dan sa sak.

So, sa i en keksoz ki mon ti a kontan klarifye.


Apre dezyenmman prezan, mon’n vwar sirkonstans kot i lo en annan 2 pri afise komodite, e ler sa dimoun i pran sa komodite i anmenn kot letazer, marsan me dir li non, in fer en fot dan pri.

I pa sa pri ki i sipoze pe vann.

Ki sa konsonmater i fer dan sa ka la?

Mannyer Lalwa pe dir ou, poudir sa konsonmater i devret pey sa pri ki afise lo sa bwat baked beans par egzanp.
Si ou, ou’n fer ou fot ou’n met R10 lo en bwat baked beans e tou bwat baked beans pe vann R12, sa dimoun i 66 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 devret pe pey R10 akoz Lalwa i kler la mannyer i ete.

I fer li eksplisit ki sa dimoun i sipoze pe pey R10.

Ou konpran mwan in annan bann la?

Akoz sirkonstans.

So petet sey klarifye pou nou ki mannyer sa pou ganny aplike.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Lo panel, CEO ki pou pran?

Wi.

CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Mersi Mr Chair.


Anyway, mon pa’n get tou sa bann portre an detay.

Selman ki mon pe - parey ou’n dir.

Si i annan 2 pri ki ganny display lo en prodwi, normalman the consumer pays the lowest price.

Selman si par egzanp ou’n aste en prodwi, parey nou pe dir RRP la, sa retailer in aste en prodwi, RRP pa binding li.

I pe servi sa plastik petet, me selman the correct price in mete lo la, poudir mete i R10 par egzanp.
E ler ou al devan i dir ou pey R10 e kekfwa konsonmater pe krwar i devret pey sa RRP.

Me ki konsonmater i bezwen konpran, ki sa RRP is a recommended price Sa retailer i pa binding sa RRP lo la.

The packaging petet i met RRP lo la.

Me selman RRP i en recommended price STC dan sa li.

ka la.

I pa sa pri sa retailer ki independent of STC.

lo So, nou bezwen get li dan perspektiv ki mannyer in arive.

Me selman nou pou dekouraz pratik pou ou servi en plastik la pou pa konfiz RRP konsonmater.

Ou konpran?
Ou konpran?

Akoz i annan bann prodwi ki sorti deo, ki osi annan RRP lo la, me selman kekfwa i an en lot currency.

I pa vedir ler ou pou al peye devan i pou sa RRP ki lo la.

I pou sa pri ki in afise an Roupi.

So, mon’n deza koz avek STC lo la sa semenn pou nou kapab rektifye sa.

E mon krwar i demann en progranm osi, ledikasyon.

Akoz sa ler nou ti zwenn ek STC way, way back.

Nou ti dir zot fodre zot fer sir nou avoid sa pou pa konfiz konsonmater lo sa kote.

Ok. Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.


HON JOHN HOAREAU Ok, nou kontinyen nou ariv lo 73(4) premye laliny after the word ‘of’ nou retir ‘a’ apre after the word ‘good’ nou add en ‘s’ pou fer li vin ‘goods’ or a service.

Nou include the word ‘a’ after ‘or’.

Apre dan son dernyen laliny i vin ‘services’ instead of 67 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 ‘service’.

So, nou pe include en ‘s’.

Nou al lo 73(7), laliny after lo the trwazyenm word ‘that’ nou include ‘the’.
Nou al lo 74(1) after the word ‘Creole’ nou delete the word ‘language’.

MR SPEAKER Sorry, eski Onorab Arissol ou pe fer menm demann la?

HON SANDY ARISSOL Non, Mr Speaker.

An vi ki AG in donn en pti leksplikasyon, mon krwar mon ava tonm dakor avek sa.

MR SPEAKER Byen, Onorab Hoareau.

HON JOHN HOAREAU Nou kontinyen avek 74(11).

743(b), ok.

Sorry.

74(3)(b), dezyenm laliny after the word ‘good’ nou add en ‘s’ pou fer li vin ‘goods’.
After the word ‘good’ ankor lo dernyen mo dan sa laliny nou add the ‘s’ with it pou fer li vin ‘goods’.

Apre dan dernyen laliny, vedir trwazyenm anliny nou add ‘s’ ankor pou fer li vin ‘goods’.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Ok. Now, lo sa pwen regarding labeling mon annan en query ki mon oule raise avek Fair- trading Commission e Minis ki la.

Mon annan dan mon lanmen la ki Lasanble in aste e mon pa pe fer referans ek sa prodwi.

En prodwi ki sorti dan en pei e son labelling i dan en lot langaz apart ki Kreol.
Me par deryer i annan en papye ki’n ganny kole, ki eksplik ou detay sa prodwi.

E rezon i annan sa detay sa prodwi lo la se akoz i annan en lenpak ki si en zanfan i ingest sa prodwi, i kapab afekte li.

Now, if i may ask, eski Komisyon, how do you ensure lekel ki fer sa travay pou ensure ki sa prodwi avan i ariv lo sa letazer, sa labelling, mon krwar Minis pe gete - you understand what I’m ok talking about.
Sa labelling in fini ganny mete e ki ler mwan koman sa konsonmater mon antre dan sa landrwa pou aste sa prodwi, sa labelling i lo sa prodwi.

Akoz i en moot point pas en Lalwa me nou pa kapab enplimant li.

So, eski ou pa kapab Ok, prezan nou al lo 74(11) regard sa pou mwan please.

MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab Pillay.

MR SPEAKER Panel.

Yes CEO.

68 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Mersi Mr Chair.
Lo kote kot nou, ki mannyer nou travay ek sa, nou, nou okouran poudir i annan bann prodwi ki vin dan pei ki i annan bann label ki bann ganny enportater deza avek sa bann prodwi.

supply ek Akoz Sesel i annan en pti market e petet sa volume ki zot pe anvoye i pti git, me selman i annan ki zot anvoy sticker, ki zot deza vin avek ki zot zis bezwen kole.

E i annan osi tou ki public i otoriz zot pou the health correct, translation espesyalman pou zengredyen, ki zot, zot ganny lotorizasyon pou plas lo la.
is Selman nou, dan nou lenspeksyon ler nou vwar nou notifye Public Health.

Me selman normalman i ariv at the point of entry sa.

I pa telman ariv lo kote dan market ki nou vwar.

Ler petet sa ti pe vann in deza lo la.

bann largiman ki nou pe fer la.

Son langaz par egzanp.

Eski langaz i vin dan sa 3 langaz ki son Lalwa pe demande display?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Panel, CEO menm.

Yes CEO.

CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Wi, normalman parey son display normalman zot kol lo la.
Ki ler ou pe aste, ou pe fer ou purchase decision koman en konsonmater ou kapab vwar ki i annan lo la.

So, i bezwen afikse ouswa print lo sa prodwi ki ou pe al aste.

Akoz se sa ki pou ed ou fer sa desizyon.

Akoz si i separe ler ou ariv kot ou, ou pou okenn dokimantasyon pou ou refer to.

So, normalman i afikse.

Parey Onorab Lopozisyon in met devan.

Zot afikse lo sa prodwi.

napa MR SPEAKER Onorab William.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Arissol.

Yes, Onorab HON SANDY ARISSOL Lo menm laliny Mr Chair.
In regard to display lo son prodwi.

Son display, ki mannyer i vini son display, par egzanp lo sa HON WAVEN WILLIAM Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mon ti a kontan demann sa kestyon.

Pa dan sa leksplikasyon ki ou’n donn nou la.

Mon anvi konnen kapasite pou nou authenticate.

Akoz dizon in vin dan en langaz, pou dir poudir i annan en dokiman ki’n ganny anvoye, 69 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 me lekel ki authenticate sa leksplikasyon e verifikasyon an menm tan?
Akoz ki arive se ki nou konnen ozordi lafason ki komers pe ganny fer i annan en ta distorsyon e tou bann pei gran bann ouswa lakonpannyen pe anvi vann zot bann keksoz.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Panel.

Yes CEO.

CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Wi, Mersi Mr Chair.

Par egzanp normalman, si i deza lo la ki at the point of entry petet Public Health in deza fini otoriz li pou mete.

I pa en keksoz ki petet nou, nou pou al authenticate.
Me selman si nou vwar dan market nou, nou menm, nou kapab atraver en investigation ki nou’n deza fer verifye si sa ki lo la i korek or not, atraver gete kot sa prodwi i sorti e tir portre e anvoye, gete ki si sa ki i in mete translator aktyelman pe reflekte.

la lo Sanfwa i pou tonm osi dan misleading dimoun si son zengredyen ouswa sa ki lo labeling i pa korek osi tou.

Ou konpran?

Selman mon krwar at the point of entry sa bann keksoz i tyonbo.
devret petet ganny Akoz i enportan pou sa ki ariv i dan marse, nou dimoun konpran ki zot pe aste, e i pa en keksoz ki zot bezwen desifre parey en puzzle ouswa al met en keksoz lo la.

Me parey mon’n dir pli boner, nou enport keksoz dan en kantite parti lemonn.

Ozordi enportater i al partou pou li ganny keksoz en pe pli meyer mars ouswa de kalite ouswa non.

Me selman i enportan ki sa bout ki donn konsonmater lenformasyon i vin at least lo sa prodwi.
E si pa lo la prodwi, petet lo en lekipman, i bezwen annan en manual at least ki donn sa bann lenformasyon dan sa bann langaz osi ki nou, nou servi pou nou kapab servi sa prodwi byen lo nou kote.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Esparon.

HON REGINA ESPARON Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair, mon konpran sa ki Mr Lebon pe eksplike.

Me selman dan la pratik li menm i pa koumsa.

Parske si mwan mon pe antre dan en magazen, mon napa sa Mon pe get manual zengredyen sa manze sirtou.
E konmela i annan bokou dimoun ki dir ou zot pa manz keksoz ki annan gluten ladan.

Zot pe rod en keksoz gluten free.

Me dan mazorite letan sa bann keksoz i la.

70 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 an langaz e ou pa pe konpran ki ou pe aste.

E sirtou si - Ok, nou pa pe ganny tou keksoz an Kreol oubyen Franse, me sa bann langaz parfwa enn ler i difisil.

E en lot keksoz ankor ki nou remarke lo sa bann display se ki i annan bokou sa bann expiry date.
keksoz napa Parfwa ou atrape ou regarde - Les parey dir, mon pran en pake diri ki lontan in lo letazer, i napa expiry date li, selman i annan en ta gon ladan.

En pake macaroni, en kantite gon ladan.

Ki fer ki sa prodwi li menm li ou vwar poudir i expire, me selman i napa en expiry date ki’n ganny display.

MR SPEAKER Eski panel i kapab adrese ki mannyer zot respond ek sa.

Yes CEO.

CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Chair, mersi.

Mersi Onorab.


Mon’n take note of sa, selman zis mon ti a kontan met devan osi i annan serten keksoz ki antre dan pei ki serten standar deor, zot napa sa expiry date lo la.

Ok ?

Me selman nou ki par ler nou require.

E ou pou vwar poudir sa i dan bann prodwi osi parey domestos, parey bann prodwi ki annan pou fer ek javel.

En bon pe zot, serten bann ziridiksyon ki zot sorti zot napa expiry date lo la.

E mon konnen poudir STC lontan ti ganny difikilte avek sa.
I enn bann area ki nou’n press zot.

Me ler ou ti pe get, i napa, i pa require.

Ou konpran?

Me selman nou a keep an eye pou sa ki ou’n dir e zis pe note ki nou travay pre ek Public Heath e osi SRC.

So, petet sa multi -agency approach pou nou kapab fer sir ki sa pa vin dan marse.

Me mon krwar i demann osi en pe ledikasyon.

Pou bann marsan osi, fer sir sa ki zot pe met dan zot laboutik, osi ek sa ki zot pe aste ek enportater i dan langaz ki nou dimoun i kapab servi.

E for reasons of safety osi tou.


Parey ou’n nonmen osi, i kapab annan bann ouswa bann reaksyon.

Mersi Mr Chair.

alerzi MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Aglae.

HON EGBERT AGLAE Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonn apre midi.

Mon pou swiv en pti git dan laliny Onorab Esparon, akoz ozordi baze ISO recommendation, ozordi nou annan bokou bann enportater ki pe buy in bulk, e ki zot pe vin anmenn isi pou zot re anbale pou re distribye.
E kot i konsern lo 71 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 expiry date, i sipoze print lo sa package pa lo en sticker li.

I sipoze lo sa.

Parey si en boutey i sipoze lo sa boutey.

So, ki garanti ki nou annan poudir ki.

Akoz mon kapab fer vini sa, petet sa kantite boutey vid, ouswa si mwan, mon menm mwan mon pe fer parey Seybrew i fer avek ban pet, ki garanti ki it’s the right expiry date ki pe al avek sa batch prodwi ki zot in aste in bulk.
Ki fer sir ki demen napa personn ki’n ganny mislead pou dir mon pe aste en prodwi ki ti antre Sesel 2002, me selman swa mon printing ki lo la li i koresponn avek en lot lannen ki pa koresponn avek sa prosedir son li menm manufacture.

Mersi.

baze lo MR SPEAKER Thank you.

CEO, wi.

CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Wi, mesi Mr Chair.

Mon krwar poudir sa i en pwen valid.


So, si i annan okenn ka ki nou, nou come across or zot menm zot come across ki annan, ki petet nou bezwen verifye if it is the correct expiry date, ouswa i pa’n ganny manipile dan okenn fason, then nou kapab vin kot Commission, nou travay ek SBS.

Nou’n deza arive bann ka kot bann expiry date ti’n ganny sanze e ki nou’n vwar poudir it was not correct.

So, sa i pa pou depan zis lo FTC, me selman nou kapab travay avek bann agency pou nou kapab fer sir nou verifye.
Akoz the main konsern se ki napa en public safety issue ki kapab afekte dimoun.

Selman nou a keep a close eye out pou sa.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Pillay wi.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair, mon apresye bann leksplikasyon ki Mr Lebon pe donnen.

I montre ki in en dimoun ki’n enterakte avek sa sekter pandan plizyer lannen.

I annan leksperyans e i konnen ki i pe dir nou.

Me mon ti a kontan ganny lopinyon Minis oubyen Mr Cafrine.
Mon konnen an relasyon avek trade nou form parti WTO, so i annan louvertir nou market avek lezot prodwi sorti dan lezot pei.

Mr Lebon pou capture sa prodwi ler in ariv dan magazen.

Ler konsonmater in aste li e i vini i dir li, e bon lo sa prodwi i mete poudir sa i sipoze kapab last mwan tel kantite letan, me la mon pe gete, pa ni menm 2 mwan mon sa in brile or whatever.

72 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Ki Trade i fer li, avan ki sa prodwi i antre.
Ki bann keksoz ki nou met, akoz nou bezwen protez konsonmater akoz hard earned money ki sa dimoun in gannyen e pe al depanse pou aste sa prodwi.

Nou pe koz en Lalwa Komers Zis, nou pe koz en proteksyon konsonmater, i bezwen annan tou bann paramet otour li ki ede sa konsonmater.
protez Lalwa pou pou protez So, kwa ki ganny fer lo sa nivo pou reasir nou ki pou annan lezot eleman ki antre an zwe sa konsonmater, menm avan ki sa prodwi i ariv lo letazer sa komersan, sa retailer, sa - mon pa konnen mwan - sa dimoun ki pou vann li.

Mersi Mr Chairman, si ou permet sa.

MR SPEAKER Yes panel.

Mr Cafrine, yes.

TRADE RONALD FOR PS DEPARTMENT CAFRINE Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.
Mersi Onorab.

Well, lo kote Trade, Customs ou konnen i sa lazans ki lo border e fer sir ki sa ki antre dan pei i bon pou lasante, i bon pou kominote, pou lanvironnman, eksetera.

bon i Nou annan bann keksoz ki nou apel restrikte ki nou servi import permit pou kontrol son enportasyon, son kalite and so on.

Me i pa tou keksoz ki annan import permit.

So, tou sa ki import permit ki antre definitivman i al dan bann verifikasyon ki nou apel sa red channel e i ganny verifye most of the time 100 percent.
Lo kote par egzanp keksoz elektronik.

Yer nou’n tonm nonm dispenser.

I en keksoz ki lemonn antye i service, nou servi e i annan dimoun.

I zis parey fan, enn ler ou vwar fan apre 3 mwan i lo bor semen, i lo bor en bin.

So, ki mannyer ki ou pe dir nou kapab fer sir ki sa fan ki antre i will last for so many month or so many years.

Mon krwar pa si i annan en standar.


Mon konnen i annan bann lekipman en pe serye par egzanp pou wiring, sa mon krwar Energy Commission i annan en say ladan pou son lenportasyon.

Me larestan bann keksoz elektronik i zis en matter of peoples choice e normalman nou dir cheap i fasil.

Me selman cheap osi, ou konnen ki savedir cheap.

So, nou swete kekfwa i en pti pe pli ser, i sorti dan en market en pti pe pli kontrole.

Normalman nou vwar li koman pli bon.


Par egzanp si dimoun i 73 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 ou mark Le Grand dir elektronik, i pli bon ki petet sa bann Lenova par egzanp.

So, sa i bann desizyon ki en dimoun i fer li baze lo son ledikasyon lo kwa ki pli bon and so on so.

Nou pa pou kapab, nou pa pou annan sa kapasite kot Customs pou nou get tou keksoz.

Ou bezwen les - ok. Parey bomaten in dir, Minis in dir.
Ler i antre dan market prezan, sa bann diferan lazans ki involve - parey SBS i fer bann inspection, Ministry of Health e osi Komisyon Komers Zis kekfwa i fer son bann.

Apre kliyan osi e konsonmater i bezwen zwe sa pli gran rol pou anmenn sa lenformasyon back.

So, si napa en keksoz ki annan en labeling proper, i pa devret ganny allowed lo shelf.

E ler sa i ganny vwar i bezwen go back to en serten lenstitisyon parey Energy Commission.
E sirtou si keksoz manze ki pas anba Food Act, sa fodre i neseser, fodre i annan sa 3 langaz lo la.

Sa i pa sipoze.

Mon a konnen si dimoun in vwar en keksoz manze lo shelf ki napa sa 3 langaz ki nou rekomande, e si i annan then i en kontrovansyon pli serye akoz sa i en keksoz manze.

So, when to electronics, sa i en pti pe pli difisil, i baze for lo en dimoun i it comes konnen si sa i vann R2, then pa espekte sa pe last li.
Pran li koman en keksoz ki ase bonmarse i pa pou last ou long e i kapab fer en danze pou ou lasante oubyen pou ou safty.

Be selman parey mon pe dir, to stop at the border, how e ki standar ki nou mete, poudir sa pa kapab antre, en lot dimoun i bezwen gid Customs lo la e Customs pou napa sa vreman knowledge toulezour kapab dir, be this one is good and that one is not.

pou So mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Byen, avek sa leksplikasyon.

Onorab Hoareau ou a re pran.


HON JOHN HOAREAU Mersi Mr Speaker.

Nou’n ariv lo 74(11).

Nou lo avan dernyen laliny after the word ‘goods’ nou pou insert ‘being’ apre nou pou retir bracket ki ganny ki ganny trouve zis avan ‘the’.

Apre i fini apre ‘set’.

So, nou retir sa bracket.

Nou al lo 76.

Sorry 77(4).

MR SPEAKER Ou avan 77 Onorab Georges?

Yes.

Onorab Hoareau, nou a les Onorab Georges fer son pwen avan.

74 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chairman.
Mr Chairman, mon annan 2 pti keksoz avek ou.

Mon regrete mon bezwen retourn zot en pti pe an aryer, eskiz mwan.

Me i annan telman papye devan mwan.

Eski mon kapab retourn Lasanble lo 71(3)(b) on top paz 65.

E sa se en propozisyon lamannman ki Mr Victor Pool ki ti responsab pou sa Bill yer ti donn mwan.

Eskiz mwan, mon’n manke taler.

I ti pe propoze ki nou delete dan chapeau sa paragraf (b) ‘the earlier of’ so, that sa chapeau i read ‘before the the consumer….’ 71(3)(b).
Pou delete ‘the earlier of’ so that it reads ‘before the time at which the consumer….’ at which time MR SPEAKER Ok, kontinyen.

Panel pa pe.

HON BERNARD GEORGES E 76.

Avan ki nou al lo 77.

Ankor enn fwa Bills Committee ti’n soulev en kestyon lo sa mo ‘particular’ dan chapeau, dan 76(1).

‘A person shall not offer to supply, display or supply any particular goods.’ E kestyon sete ki savedir sa any particular goods.
E Mr Pool pe propoze ki 76(1) i ganny sanze akoz i krwar ki particular goods e panel ava ed nou, i refer to food items or perishables ki kapab annan en konsern lasante.

E i difisil pou kalifye sa bann good obviously.

Alor si pe propoze ki dan plas (a) and (b) mannyer i ete la.
In fact dan plas (1) antye i pe propoze ki nou met ‘a person shall not’ (a) ‘offer to supply, display or supply any particular goods where the nature of those goods requires that there is displayed information about their shelf life or’ (b) ‘offer to supply, display or supply such particular goods at a date later than the date on the shelf life of those goods.’ Se sa propozisyon legal draftsperson Mr Chair.

E mon pe met sa devan panel.

MR SPEAKER Ok, quite a bit of language la.


Onorab Pillay ou lo menm pwen?

Yes.

Please adrese apre nou ava al kot panel.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Inevitableman ler ou servi sa dernyen bout, sa fraz ki ou’n servi.

I annan en pwen ki Onorab Lemiel ti raise yer.

What happens dan konteks kot en, akoz ou pe kree en loophole la.

En marsan i pran par egzanp cast offs par egzanp ki i aste.

En seri prodwi ki pe ganny 75 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Ki almost ganny dispose.
annan petet en semenn avan son shelf life i fini oubyen en mwan avan son shelf life i fini e i met dan son laboutik pou li vann li at a reduce cost.

E prezan tou dimoun pe ale, pe aste sa.

Ou konpran.

krwar Akoz mannyer ou’n word sa, se ou pe word li ou pe get sa loopholes.

i Mon enportan ki nou sey capture sa self-life dan en fason zeneral.

Rather than try to, mon konpran ki Onorab Georges pe fer, ou pe sey zero in lo perishables akoz sa i pou annan en lenpak direk lo lasante I understand that.
dimoun.

Me selman ler ou pe koz lo shelf life, i pa zis perishable ki annan en problenm vizavi son shelf life.

Ou konpran?

Bann dairy products still dimoun pou bwar e zot ingest.

Mon konpran ki ou pe fer, konmsi annou sey sitye ki mannyer nou kapab move forward avek sa.

Akoz sa bout i enportan pou dimoun sa.

MR SPEAKER Ok, back to Onorab Georges, apre nou ava al kot panel.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mon pe demann mon lekor, mon konpran e mon konsyan sa pwen.
Me mon pe demann mon lekor si nou pa kapab fer li pli senp e senpleman dir ‘a person shall not offer to supply display or supply any goods with a shelf life’ (a) ‘without displaying the shelf life and (b) at a date later than the shelf life.’ That will cover everything mon krwar.

Non, the word it’s ‘particular’.

Mon krwar it’s the word ‘particular.’ Mon krwar nou devret just delete the goods.
Sanz ‘particular’ ‘by goods having a shelf life.’ Akoz sansan nou pa pou zanmen konnen what are particulars goods.

MR SPEAKER Wi, mon annan plizyer.

Mon ava al kot Onorab Cosgrow avan, apre.

HON WALLACE COSGROW Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, mon konpran ki Onorab Georges in dir e mon krwar i kind of fit sa ki nou pe sey rode la.
Me mwan mon annan en pti kestyon an relasyon ek par egzanp bann locally produced goods e la mon pa pe koz dan chips bannann ouswa lot, lot, lot, mon pe koz par egzanp fresh goods ki sorti lo laferm par egzanp.

Bokou laboutik i stock bann fresh goods.

Pye bred, 76 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 leti, kokonm.

So, how do we put an expiry date a shelf life lo la san kree en sityasyon kot en pake difikilte pou sa fermye li menm or petet pou sa boutikye ki pe vann.

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Mon krwar nou annan telman pwen la pou panel deal avek.

Annou les zot donn en repons apre nou a kapab kontinyen.

Ok, panel.

Nou annan en konsiderasyon wording propoze par Onorab Georges, apre nou annan sa klarifikasyon lo local produce.

Lekel ki kapab adrese silvouple?

Yes AG.

Leader THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Mr Chair, mon krwar sa ki Onorab Zafer Gouvernman in propoze i fer en sans.

Savedir zis nou ava tir ‘particular’ and then nou ava met sa bann mo ki’n dir.
Nou a kit sa 76(1) more or less entak.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Lo kestyon Onorab Cosgrow lo local produce.

Eski panel pou donn en repons ?

Eski i bezwen fit par egzanp dan sa wording ki la?

Yes, ok Onorab Pillay, letan nou pe espere.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chair.

Petet sa kestyon i a pli byen pou Minis an relasyon ek komanter fer par Onorab Cosgrow.

So, si nou pran 2 kategori bann prodwi.


Par egzanp i annan bann landrwa ou pou ale ou pou aste bann fresh products par egzanp bann salad ki’n fini ganny packaged.

E lo sa packaging i pou annan en shelf life.

But then obviously ou pou annan sa fermye ki pe fer son prodiksyon e ki son transpor i pas dan bann distrik avek son plastik e ki li son leti pou dan en plastik e ki pou napa en displays of en shelf life.

Mon pa krwar lentansyon Lalwa se fer ki sa fermye i bezwen met en shelf life.
Me eski wording Lalwa pe dir sa?

That’s the question ki nou bezwen reponn e fer sir nou skirt around ki nou pa fer li vin en konplikasyon pou nou bann local producers la deor.

Akoz once Lalwa i vin an aplikasyon i bezwen ganny aplike.

Me ou a pa pou kapab annan en sekter ki pe akt an deor Lalwa.

So, nou bezwen protez.

Mon pa oule servi sa mo protez, me nou bezwen rod en fason pou fer sir ki nou pa kree en problenm pou nou bann local producers.
77 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Minis yes.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mersi Onorab pou sa pwen.

Bon mon antyerman dakor avek ou.

Nou bezwen practical in terms of Lalwa ki nou met an plas.

E mwan ler mon pe regard li, lentansyon se pa pou capture, akoz i enposib pou ou kapab al enforce ouswa - I zis pa fer en sans pou li apply pou sa kategori ki nou pe koz lo la.

Bann prodwi lokal ki pe vann parey dan market and all.
Now whether sa clause i capture ouswa pa capture, sa mon ava defer to the legal people ki pou dir.

Me selman lentansyon is not to capture it.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Yes CEO.

in dir, CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Mersi Mr Chair.

Zis pou azoute sa parey Minis lentansyon nou pe kaptye bann prodwi ki vann lo shelf me pa pou met en added cost lo fermye pou local produce, akoz bann local produce normalman by kapab obzervasyon determinen si i bon ouswa i pa bon ouswa i pres pou gate.
ou ou I pou normally enposib pou determinen, al kantmenm mon’n vann ou, mon’n pran mon’n met dan mon laboutik.

Si ou expiry date pou parey ek pou mwan akoz i fakter ki annan en kantite kapab involve ki pou ou i kapab pouri avan pou mwan.

Ou selman konpran?

lentansyon se bann keksoz ki met lo shelf, ki deza annan bann expiry date, so ki i pa ganny avek supply konsonmater, so, sa ti more or less lentansyon pa pou met en more or less en lot added cost lo bann local fermye.
Me E mon pa krwar okenn par dan lemonn ki mwan mon okouran ki sa i koumsa menm si zot annan sa bann provizyon Lalwa.

Petet nou kapab gete si i annan keksoz ki fodre fer pli kler pou pa konfiz personn.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Cosgrow.

HON WALLACE COSGROW Yes Mr Speaker, mersi.


Mon pe zis sey anmenn en pti pe, petet en solisyon akoz si nou desann lo 77, konsernan resi i annan en exemption anba clause 4 ki dir the Minister may exempt okenn Legislation through kategori ki pa bezwen donn en 78 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 resi.

Par egzanp ou al bazar, bazar nou tou nou konnen ou pa bezwen donn en resi.

Well, ou pa pe donn en resi e i pa pratikan pou bazardye donn en resi.
So, petet 76 anler - menm keksoz ti kapab ganny replike kot nou dir bann local bezwen producers neseserman display en expiry date.

en replikasyon.

Petet en way forward.

Konmsi zis pa MR SPEAKER Minis, yes.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mon pa obzekte avek propozisyon ki Onorab Cosgrow in fer as long ki Onorab Leader Lopozisyon i ok pou donn Minis sa pouvwar.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Nou pa ankor donn li pouvwar pou fer okenn pour lamannman lemoman.
Sa ki nou pe propoze, sa ki Onorab Cosgrow pe propoze i bezwen vin avek en caveat.

Mon krwar sa clause ki mannyer in ekrir se i ava donn determinasyon par Departman Trade lo lekel sa bann prodwi.

I pou annan prodwi malgre i ganny prodwi lokalman ki pou bezwen annan en expiry date.

Sa i lozik sa.

E mon vwar, Mr Cafrine in fer sa kler.

Me pou annan ki pou anpe posibilite.

E an se ki konsern resi, i fer en sans.


Akoz bazar, nenport Roche landrwa, Caiman ou kot ou pe aste prodwi, nou bi se pa - se fer sir ki Lalwa li menm dan son aplikasyon pa al met okenn keksoz an plis lo nou bann producers e bann dimoun ki pe prodwi, e fer li vin en pti pe pli difil pou zot.

Mon krwar i annan en posibilite ki sa i kapab ganny fer Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Wi, eski nou pou rod en posibilite pou capture li dan sa wording Onorab Georges?

Yes, back to you.
Yes, back to you.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mon krwar Mr Chairman.

Propozisyon Onorab Cosgrow i en tre bon propozisyon e panel i pa kont.

I annan de fason mon krwar ki nou kapab fer sa.

Enn se donn Minis, parey Onorab Cosgrow in propoze menm pouvwar ki i annan anba 77.

Se pou li exempt par en notis dan Gazette e i ava exempt all local produce or whatever.

Sa se en fason.

Me i met en burden lo Minis pou fer en lalis.


79 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 fer en Lot e mon pe propozisyon, se dan 76 li menm, ki nou limit 76 a bann prodwi ki annan en shelf life.

Ok, tou prodwi i annan en shelf life.

En leti ki dan en sak plastik i annan en shelf life.

Me obviously napa en shelf life lo la.

Tandis ki i annan serten prodwi kot en Seybrew par egzanp kot i annan son shelf life lo la.

E mon sey capture sa distenksyon ant sa de.


E mon ti ava propoze kekfwa si zot.

Pou anfen, Lasanble ava deside ki dan 76 nou limit 76, to ‘a person shall not offer to supply display or supply any goods’ olye having a shelf life because all goods have a shelf life.

Pou met ‘any goods endowed with a shelf life’.

E sa i ava limit sa kategori goods ki annan deza en shelf life lo la e non pa lezot ki napa.

Those are 2 proposals ki Lasanble i a kapab konsidere, mersi.
MR SPEAKER Eski panel pou donn nou en lide ki mannyer zot kapab posede.

Yes AG.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Thank you.

Panel i dakor ek sa propozisyon me alternativman parey Onorab Leader Zafer Gouvernman in dir, petet ti a bon ki nou prevwar en egzanpsyon e kot Minis i a met subject tou bann kondisyon.

E sirtou par egzanp bann prodwir ki pa vreman ganny manufactured me selman ki ganny prodwi lokalman.

Well, pa ganny manufactured, unless sa bezwen ou distenksyon ant prodwi ki ganny manufactured.
pou fer Par egzanp prodwi ki ganny kwi oubyen prodwi ki ganny processed in whatever Menm si zot way.

local produced, me selman zot ganny process swa par kwi.

Me par kont sa bann goods ki nou pe dir la i bann ki pa vreman ganny process, i ganny grown.

So, then i annan sa distenksyon ki ganny fer.

Me la prezan ou pou bezwen annan bann kondisyon e kondisyon se ki sa supplier i bezwen ensure ki sa prodwi ki i pe vann i pa defective, it can be consumed.

So, this is were the conditions would be if ever.


Me otherwise we can stick to ‘endowed with a shelf life’ e sa pa pou.

Me selman i pou bezwen prezan, swa anba Food Act oubyen Lezislasyon, whatever ensure ki si i annan okenn prodwi ki ganny process.

Par egzanp si en dimoun i fer nouga i pou bezwen met en shelf life lot 80 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 date lo la.

Parey i annan ek dipen.

So, endow may be would.


E demen si i annan okenn issue enterpretasyon, verbatim i kapab servi pou kapab montre poudir it was not meant to regulate bann prodwi ki ganny grown rather than bann ki ganny process.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Eski mon kapab demann en kestyon silvouple.

Mon konnen Speaker pa entervenir dan deba normalman.

But what does endow mean.

Does it mean konmsi sa prodwi i annan en shelf- life in ganny mete lo la avan.
But what about the ones ki napa shelf life e ki devret annan en shelf life?

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mon mazinen.

Etan donnen ki tou keksoz i annan en shelf life, me i annan en bann ki deza sa shelf life in ganny marke lo la.

Nou pe dir sa bann pa kapab ganny display without the shelf life.

Parey dipen, akoz i deza lo la.

Me pou bann lezot, Minis i ava annan en diskresyon pou li exempt.

So, i ava kapab donn en lalis bann ki pa bezwen endow avek en shelf life.
Me everything else must be endow with one and circumvented.

cannot be MR SPEAKER Eski ou pou met keksoz ladan la pou kouver sa exemption ?

HON BERNARD GEORGES Wi, mon’n fini mete Mr Chair, zot permisyon pour avek Lasanble mon’n met 3.

Sub- section 3 - ‘The Minister may by Order publish in the Gazette exempt any category of good from the application of this such section, conditions as the Minister may deem fit to impose.’ Se plito, plizoumwen cut and paste of subsection 77(4).

Mersi.
Mersi.

subject to MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Eski panel i annan en pwennvi ?

Eski Lasanble i dakor avek sa propozisyon?

Panel.

Ok, panel lets hear pou nou kapab prosede.

Ou pe revise wording Onorab Georges, is that it?


HON BERNARD GEORGES Yes Mr Chair, avek konsey Attorney General, mon pe propoze ki nou azout en (4) ki pou plito baze lo 77(5) pou dir ki notis sa Order ki ganny pibliye dan Gazette i ava ganny pibliye dan Gazette li menm, akoz sa Order pou en S.I, pa 81 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 tou dimoun ki pou lir, me at least lo sa Gazette li menm i ava annan en notis zis pou dir menm zafer.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Ok, so AG in propoz sa.


So, zot in dakor Lasanble?

Nou aksepte?

Ok, no objection.

Ok, thank you, we can move on.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Nou ava ariv lo 77(4) ki after the word as, premye laliny, nou retir ‘a’.

MR SPEAKER One second.

Onorab Georges.

Onorab Georges, apre Onorab Woodcock, wi.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair, wi mon dakor e mon pe demann lekor si nou bezwen mon annan.

Akoz mon’n tir li dan sa enn ki mon’n fek mete, as a legislation.
subsidiary Obviously is Order subsidiary legislation.

the MR SPEAKER Ok, AG in nod.

Son mon krwar in aksepte.

Onorab Woodcock.

HON WAVEL WOODCOCK Ok, mersi Mr Speaker.

Anba Clause 77(2) i dir ki ‘at any time, subsequent to the purchase, the receipt issued by the supplier shall be adequate proof of the purchase of the goods or services and may be used for the purposes of refund in any of the circumstances specified in this Act.’ Apre anba (3) i donn ou bann lalis bann keksoz ki merit enkli lo bann resi.
Me le problenm, enn bann problenm ki plizyer bann konsomater in refer sorti avek bann resi konmela, i annan en pratik ozordi kot bann resi ki pe ganny print, dan lespas 2 zour, 3 zour tou sa bann lekritir lo la i blansi ouswa ou nepli vwar sa bann lekritir lo sa.

Mon pa konnen si sa petet en keksoz ki zot merit get ladan ouswa enkli ladan, ki bann resi ki ganny issued, apre detrwa zour zot lekritir pa sorti lo la.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Si panel in pare.

Yes CEO.


CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Mon krwar konmela zot pe sey servi bann thermal paper.

Me salanm si at the point ki i pe donn sa konsonmater, i meet requirements Lalwa, tou keksoz i la, i pou en pe difisil pou get 82 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 lo kote quality, konbyen letan sa resi i bezwen reste.

Selman ki nou kapab fer, nou kapab petet koz avek sa bann biznes pou gete si i annan en pli bon quality ki zot kapab donnen.
Me selman pou nou, si nou le ler nou fer lenspeksyon, son resi i annan tou son bann kalifikasyon ki i mete anba Lalwa, then i pou meet sa clause.

I pou en pe difisil pou dir print lo en papye ki last 5an, print lo en papye ki 2an.

Ou konpran, i pou en pe difisil.

Me selman anyway, mon take a note.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY An relasyon ek sa size resi, right.
So, eski Minis i kapab donn nou en konfirmasyon ki zistans Gouvernman i ete ek sa size POS machine, pou fer ki par egzanp, sa i vin segonn natir aprezan.

Ou vin en landrwa, en kantite dimoun i servi zot kart labank pou fer zot bann achat.

E sa POS machine i donn sa resi direkteman, me osi pa zis sa, ou ganny sa.

SRC i ganny sa rikord.

E sa i pou enkli dan bann lezot landrwa ki Gouvernman osi i annan kot petet i devret annan POS machine.

Parey kot landrwa kot i lapos, bann anmas reveni.


Sa osi i enn bann keksoz mon krwar ki pe ganny konsidere.

Mon pa konnen si Minis i annan keksoz i kapab dir lo la.

Just to reassure nou ki FTC pa pe al enplimant en keksoz ki dan en lemonn i difisil.

Dan serten landrwa resi i ganny byen donnen me dan serten landrwa i pa neseserman parey.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Minis.

Yes, Minis.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mersi Onorab.
Mersi Onorab.

Ou kestyon se ki, mon mazinen ou pe refer to statement ki mon ti fer, making it compulsory pou annan POS machine avek tills dan bann retail shop.

Wi SLA pe fer sa louvraz.

Annefe mon fek zwenn ek zot last week pou met sa as en kondisyon license.

Me ki zot in met devan mwan, se ki nou bezwen fer bann klasifikasyon, ok. Les mwan eksplike akoz.

se Lentansyon pou capture bann laboutik.

Ok, bann laboutik normal ki dimoun i al fer konmisyon ladan, en retail shop, wi.
Me si ou annan ou en snack shop, en - pirman en snack shop ou pou 83 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 al require li pou met en till ladan, it doesn’t make sense.

So, louvraz ki SLA pe fer la, pou fer sa categorization pou fer sir ki ler nou met sa requirement i pa annan bann unintended consequences ki pa ti the policy decision.

So, sa i ape ganny travay lo la.


lentansyon of Lo sa issue POS li menm in term of kalite papye, quality masin and all, mon mazinen sa i ava tonm anba ziridiksyon Labank Santral, anba Payment System Act ki regulate sa bann issues.

E osi kekfwa anba Financial Consumer Protection Act.

Me s a i en keksoz ki mon ava met devan zot latansyon ki si annan en nesesite pou regulate standar of bann POS.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER CEO wi.

CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Mersi Mr Chair.

Zis pou azoute.
Zis pou azoute.

Sorry Mr Chair, zis pou go back to Onorab Woodcock.

Ki mon kapab dir li, as part of nou bann ledikasyon osi ki nou fer nou ankouraz konsonmater, si ou’n aste en keksoz ki ase pricy ouswa en elektronik, ou kapab servi ou telefonn pou tir en porte sa resi osi, ki i last ou.

Sa osi ou kapab prodwi apre.

Akoz bokou konplent ki vin e osi bann dimoun i provide zot resi ki zot in tire lo telefonn.

So, sa i en lot fason smart petet ki nou fer en pe ledikasyon pou advice dimoun osi.
En lot fason pou pa kit en ta papye.

Ok, mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Bon avek sa bann lekspansyon nou kapab move on.

Onorab Hoareau, ou ti’n avans en pe.

HON JOHN HOAREAU Yes Mr Speaker, nou’n ariv lo 78.

Kot dezyenm laliny after the word ‘or’ nou add ‘a’.

Apre nou’n ariv lo 81(2)(a).

Premye laliny ‘services’ so nou pe add ‘s’ avek ‘service’ pou nou fer li vin ‘services’ e menm zafer lo dernyen laliny nou pe li vin add en ‘services’.
‘s’ pou fer (b) osi nou pe add en ‘s’ li vin ek ‘service’ pou ‘services’ lo trwazyenm laliny avek dernyen laliny.

fer 83.

Nou annan osi menm zafer, ‘s’ ek ‘service’ pou fer li vin ‘services’ lo dezyenm laliny avek senkyenm laliny e osi 84(1) nou annan ‘s’ ek service pou fer li vin services.

Dezyenm laliny, trwazyenm laliny.

Trwazyenm laliny i annan 2 lenstans.

I annan after ‘and’ epi after ‘or’ ki 84 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 annan sa word service pou fer li vin services.
Ankor lo 84(1) apre the word ‘price’ nou pou include from which is deducted e nou pou retir ‘the discount is taken off from’.

Apre i kontinyen, ‘is accurate’.

the discount Anba 84(3)(a) nou start avek ‘that’.

Menm zafer avek (d), nou start avek ‘that’.

Savedir pou annan en ‘that’ ki ganny include avan ‘it’ dan (a) apre avan ‘the’ dan (d).

(s) apre Nou al lo 86.

86(d).

I annan the word ‘represent’ ki ganny tire - (e) osi i annan en ‘s’ ki ganny tire.
E (f) in the word ‘make’ in met ‘makes’ nou pou tir sa ‘s’ pou fer li vin ‘make’ - (g) osi parey, nou pou tir ‘s’ pou li vin ‘make’ instead of ‘makes’.

Apre dan (g), trwazyenm laliny after the word ‘repair’ nou pou met ‘of’ - (h) ankor nou pou retir ‘s’ apre dan sa mo ‘makes’ pou fer li vin ‘make’.

Apre (i), menm zafer.

Nou tir sa ‘s’ dan plas ‘makes’ i vin ‘make’.

Nou al aprezan 87.

(2) katriyenm laliny after the word ‘consumer’ nou retir ‘the’.
Apre nou laliny menm menm kontinyen’ regard may have’ nou retir sa mo ‘have’ nou met ‘may be had’.

MR SPEAKER One-one.

Wi Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mr Chair, ankor enn fwa se Mr Pool ki in remarke i annan de ‘may’ la, nou bezwen tir enn.

‘regard may be had to’.

Mersi.

I annan 2 ‘may’, nou bezwen tir enn.

HON JOHN HOAREAU Yes, i annan 2 ‘may’, so i retir enn.
Nou al lo 87(2)(k) kot after the word ‘contract’ nou retir ‘of’ nou include the word ‘for’ e apre subsection (4) ki sivre, nou retir lo dernyen laliny after the word ‘person’ nou retir ‘the’.

Lot kote paz, so 87(4)(a) apre the word ‘shall not be’ mon vwar en ‘had’ apre nou retir ‘have’.

Mon pa vwar li, ok, alright, yes.

MR SPEAKER Sorry, mon kapab demann ki zot tyek sa (a) la.

‘shall not be had to and circumstances’.

Does it make sense the way it tyek Si zot kapab is ?
backwards whether it follows from the chapeau and so on?

Onorab Georges ou le fer sa.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Yes Mr Chair, in fact si nou the sentence the purpose of regard byen, reads ‘For 85 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 determining whether a person has contravened subsection (1) in connection with the supply or possible supply of goods or services to any other person, regard ―shall not be had to any circumstances that were’ and then next ‘regard may be had to conduct’ eksetera.
Mersi.

Nou al lo 88(4) after the word ‘he’ nou met ‘or she’ lo premye laliny.

Nou al lo 91.

Sorry 89(b).

MR SPEAKER Sorry, one second.

Hold on please Onorab Hoareau.

Onorab Pillay, wi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

HON JOHN HOAREAU So, yes ‘be had’ i ganny mete la dan (a) apre dan (b) after the word ‘may’ ‘be had’ i ganny mete.

MR SPEAKER Excuse me.

Onorab Georges I just want to see that we have the correct word.
Should it be ‘shall not be had’ or ‘shall not be given to any circumstances.’ Ou satisfe avek ‘had’.

I’m not disputing, just checking.

Thank you.

Ok, had.

Yes Onorab Hoareau, kontinyen.

I’m HON JOHN HOAREAU Ok. 87(5).

87(6) a reference in this.

Nou tir ‘e’ avek ‘this’ mon krwar ti annan en ‘e’ ki’n mete an plis.

Ti ‘the’, ti ‘the’ avan, apre nou’n met li ‘this’.

Same thing avek (7).

A reference in the, nou tir ‘the’ nou met ‘this’.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Zis en klarifikasyon lo 88(1) en.
Mon pa konnen si i en keksoz ki ganny pratike dan nou kiltir, me selman how do you police this without the intention of providing or with the intention of not providing it as offer.

Eski sa i parey bann buy one take two, sort of initiative?

Akoz mon oule sitye sa.

Akoz i annan bann enticement ki ganny servi par en komersan.

Ler mon dir en komersan, i mean anyone pou ou aste en prodwi kot li.

On the basis ki ou pou ganny something else.

So, how do you police this petet Mr Chairman si ou permet mwan?
MR SPEAKER Thank you.

CEO, wi.

CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Mersi Mr Chair.

Bon kestyon Onorab.

Laplipar letan sa bann ek i enticement konsonmater either to an advert ouswa through en brochure swa vin 86 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 en keksoz ki ganny mete somewhere ki nou, nou kapab prove apre.

Akoz parey ou konnen nou bezwen levidans.

So, sa bann keksoz i ganny fer dan en fason ki pe tous plizyer dimoun.

So, i pa en keksoz ki nou pa’n rankontre.


Me selman i en keksoz ki nou Police pa rod bann levidans dan fason kwa ki mannyer zot in ganny entise, si lentansyon of not ti annan providing ouswa okenn sa bann prodwi.

So, ki mannyer ou vwar sa seksyon la, it’s only through investigation ki pou prouve si i annan en intention to offer.

Thank you.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Hoareau, ou ti’n ariv.

Yes Onorab HON JOHN HOAREAU Nou’n arive 89.

(b), after the word ‘or’ nou in cloud ‘a’.


Nou’n arive lo 91(2)(b) after ‘or’ nou include ‘a’.

91(3).

MR SPEAKER One second.

Onorab Georges wi.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Sorry Mr Chair.

Si mon kapab retourn nou an aryer lo 90.

Subsection of to laliny.

The (2)(c)(ii) dernyen number additional participants.
A person shall not promote or operate a pyramid selling scheme that is unfair, or is likely to be unfair, to many of the participants in that— the of number additional that must be participants a produce recruited to reasonable participants not is attainable, or is not likely to be attained by many of the participants.

Sa de ‘may’ i en pti pe vag.

E mon ti pe demann mon lekor si nou pa kapab tighten li en pe, because otherwise its very vague.

May participants.

What is many?


More that 3 or more than half or more than two- thirds, eksetera ?

reward either MR SPEAKER Panel i annan en pwennvi?

Minis wi.

li, just qualify MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Mon ti pe zis mazinen why not pa ‘by participants’.

Non, non.

Mon krwar i annan en danze met significant numbers.

Because it could be insignificant as well.

just not qualified by So, participants.


87 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 So, ou kit li ase ouver, me i pa met en qualification lo the number of participants.

MR SPEAKER Agree?

Ok. HON BERNARD GEORGES Dan tou le de landrwa Mr Chair, nou tir li dan (b) - that to many participants.

E nou tir li dan (c) chapeau the participants’ nou tir ‘many of’.

E nou tir li anba osi dan (c)(2) ‘to the participants’ is that correct.

‘to many of MR SPEAKER The way I understand, wi.


So, me selman ou ki pe fer sa antre ou.

Ok. Onorab Hoareau nou’n pare.

HON JOHN HOAREAU Yes.

Nou’n ariv 91(3).

Nou’n dir after the word ‘or’ nou met ‘a’.

dezyenm laliny.

Apre 91(3)(a) first line after the word ‘of those’ nou metet, nou retir ‘that.

Apre i vin ‘goods or that service’ so nou pe include ankor ‘that’ after the word ‘or’.

Lo 92(3) dezyenm laliny after the word ‘or’ nou include ‘a’.

Then nou al 95(1)(c).

Ok, 95(1)(c).


MR SPEAKER One second.

Georges.

Yes, Onorab HON BERNARD GEORGES Eskiz man Mr Chair.

94(2) mon krwar i annan en keksoz ki nou’n manke.

94(2).

Oh, yes 94(2) The supplier may release himself or herself from this obligation.

Before the purchase is concluded, that he or she does not supply replacement parts or, mon pe propoze ‘or offer’ a repair service.

Akoz nou pa supply a repair service.

So, does not supply replacement parts or offer a repair service.

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Yes Mr Chairman.

Chairman, mon krwar sa pou mwan i en keksoz ki en pe danzere sa.

Akoz si ou annan en sistenm kot ou pe allow en dimoun pou supply en prodwi, me selman i pa kapab back son prodwi par en repair service.

Ou allow li pou efektivman, savedir sa dimoun i kapab ofans vann en kalite komodite and then move on vann another, vann en lot, vann en lot, vann en lot, vann en lot.
Mon krwar ou bezwen lekspektasyon annan rezonnab ki ler ou pe aste en en 88 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 ek en prodwi en dimoun i kapab make good lo warranty pou sa prodwi.

Akoz get sa, akoz sa warranty ki sa dimoun i bezwen la, par egzanp an ofer ou relasyon prodwi elektronik i swa pou replace en keksoz ki faulty anba sa warranty oubyen en keksoz koumsa.

E li ler in aste sa prodwi kot i annan warranty, i bezwen annan warranty kot in aste.
So, i pa pe kapab back menm warranty son prodwi, so ou pe leave the consumer at the mercy of sa supplier e sa i kapab extend menm to transpor par egzanp.

Si ou konsider en dimoun ki vin vann loto ou deza annan ou bann established.

Dimoun ki vann loto e zot annan zot bann spares division, zot annan en mekanisyen ki asir zot sa.

Mon pa vwar li rezonnab ki en dimoun pa kapab asir son prodwi.

Ankor again parey Mr Cafrine i dir, its at the own risk of the consumer ki i al aste sa zafer laba.
Me at the same time, eski i pa lezitim pou nou protez lezot akter dan sekter ki’n pare pou envestir dan provide en comprehensive service.

I dont know.

Petet mon ti a konpran ki.

MR SPEAKER Thank you, Minis pou adrese.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chairman.

Onorab mon partly agree with you.

Mon vwar plizyer ka kot nou annan bann sellers ki vann.

Me zour ou annan en breakdown, ou annan en problenm ou ale pou rod spares, me zot pa enterese ek ou.

So, ou bezwen aste en keksoz nouvo.


So, mon sa largiman ki ou pe fer.

Me at the same time mon pe mazinen, leson ki nou bezwen aprann se ki ler nou pe aste sa bann komodite, annan ou al kot bann sellers ki li i kapab prouve ek ou poudir i kapab fer repair, i kapab fer servis.

I donn li sa competitive advantage in the market.

So ankor la i sa laspe ledikasyon ki vini.

konpran Lo kote warranty ki ou’n mansyonnen.

Mon krwar sa nou kapab pran li koman en issue separe anba warranty.
A warranty is a warranty.

Si ou pa kapab repair ou bezwen either refund or replace the product.

So, mon pa vwar li en issue around warranty akoz sa i set e i annan opsyon si pa kapab repair ki i oblize fer.

Konsern ki ou’n leve se eski ou devret fer li mandatwar si ou en seller ki ou annan en aftersales service.

Sa i kestyon 89 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 mon krwar ki ou’n demande.

Akoz sa i pa pou aplik pou tou marsandiz.


Nou pe koz kekfwa serten bann goods, bann loto, bann elektronik and all.

Mon pa vwar ki mannyer nou pou fors tou laboutik, poudir be si ou en retailor pou sa bann prodwi, ou bezwen annan.

Mon krwar i sa ledikasyon ki pou vini, ki bann ki annan after sales service for repair and spares li i ganny competitive edge in the market by - Mwan mon pou al kot enn kot mon konnen i annan en after sales ki reliable.

So mon krwar nou bezwen apros li from sa angle.

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Yes, Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Chair, mersi.

Mwan mon annan zis en dernyen pwen pou fer lo la.

So, assuming ki mwan mon oule fer en after sales service, so mon cost i monte akoz obviously mon bezwen envestir dan building, dan resours pou mwan ofer sa after sales service.
So obviously mon markup lo sa prodwi ki mon pe vann i pou pli o akoz si mon pe vann sa prodwi a en pri ki mon kapab fer en return pou maintain en after sales service avek en comprehensive - ou ava eksplik mwan, i riske fer monte mon prodwi.

fer So, i riske fer ki malgre lo sa servis ki mon provide mon kapab ganny en competitive edge, i kapab osi fer ki mon pri mon prodwi i fer mon perdi sa competitive edge from en lot dimoun ki pe vann li just at the base price.
li Mon pa pe dir mandatwar ki tou dimoun ki vann sa kategori prodwi i annan sa servis.

Me selman mon pa konnen ki mannyer nou pou fer sir ki en konsonmater ki’n depans son larzan, i kapab ganny en proteksyon avek sa dimoun ki’n vann li sa prodwi.

Se sa mon main bi.

E mon’n vwar bokou dimoun in pri dan sa sityasyon Mr dan Chairman.

Mersi lepase.

MR SPEAKER Yes Minister.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chairman.


Onorab pou parfetman konpran where you are coming from e annou servi en legzanp tipik, se bann Lazans ki vann loto.

E ler nou pe travay lo nouvo Polisi in terms of licensing bann Lazans bann vann loto, enn 90 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 requirement should be ki ou bezwen kapab provide after sales service.

Sa i spesifik pou en sekter.

Me i pa pou posib pou apply li pou tou sekter.


Me serten Sekter mon dakor ek ou, nou bezwen fer li as a condition to the license ki pou ou kapab satisfer Lotorite pou ou ganny issue en license, pou vin en biznes ki vann transpor ou bezwen annan after sales servis.

So, mon dakor avek ou.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you Minister.

Well, les mon a propoz en break la e nou a retournen 4er en kar.

Mersi.

(BREAK) MR SPEAKER Thank you Onorab Henrie pou repran.

Mersi.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair.


Bonn apre midi tou dimoun.

Nou’n ariv lo paz 86 setadir nou lo clause 95 return of parts and materials dan 95 (1) (c) dezyenm laliny ‘decline’ nou pou azout s avek, fer li vin ‘declines.’ Dan 96 clause 96 products as parts of other goods.
Dan premye laliny a person who supplies any goods’, nou pou azout ‘of’ e tir ‘in’ pou li lir ‘any goods of which other products form part.’ Next i dan laybys clause 97, 97 (4) (a) dan dernyen laliny nou oule azout ‘’s avek subsection nou pe tire plito.

Nou pe tir ‘s’ avek subsection.

Lot lamannman Mr Chair i dan sapit Romans VI Right to Choose.
Dan 98(1) nou oule azout dan premye ‘s’ avek service pou fer li vin ‘services.’ Dan 98(1)(a) dan premye laliny apre ‘of goods or’ nou oule azout ‘a’ pou fer ‘a service.’ laliny 98(1)(b) Roman dan (i) dezyenm ‘introduces laliny goods or’ nou oule azout ‘a service.’ Dan sa menm paragraf setadir 91(1)(b) Roman (i) dan senkyenm laliny dernyen mo apre ‘service’ nou oule azout ‘are’ e tir ‘is’ pou li lir ‘the agreement the new goods or service are unsolicited.
‘ 98 (1) (c) dernyen laliny, nou oule tir ‘is’ e azout ‘are’ pou li lir ‘the goods or service are unsolicited.’ Dan menm clause setadir 98 (1) (d) dan avan dernyen laliny apre ‘service’ nou oule tir ‘is’ e azout ‘are’ pou li lir the goods ‘or service are unsolicited.’ Apre Mr Chair nou pou al lo paz 90.
Setadir nou pe koz clause 98(7) dan premye laliny nou oule tir sa mo ‘to’ pou li lir 91 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 ‘a person has no obligation to pay the supplier for unsolicited.’ Nou reste lo clause 98.

Nou al 98(8) dan dezyenm laliny, dezyenm laliny dernyen apre delivery nou oule azout ‘of’ pou li lir ‘or the delivery of any such goods.’ Nou reste lo 98 nou al 98 (10) 98(10)(b) premye laliny nou ‘any’ avan oule azout mo ‘unsolicited’ pou ‘any li unsolicited service supplied to.
‘ Mr Chair apre nou bouz lo paz 91.

91 e nou pou al lo paz 91 clause 98(11)(b) nou oule azout ‘s’ avek mo proceeding pou li lir ‘threatens to bring any legal proceedings with a view to obtaining the payment.’ lir Touzour dan clause 98 nou bouz lo 98 (13) (b) dan dezyenm laliny apre ‘than’ nou pou azout mo that pou li lir ‘goods if it is an address other than stated under paragraph (a).’ Nou pou al lo paz 92.

Aprezan dan clause 99.

Rules to applying cancellation of Dan clause 99(1) contract.
‘a laliny premye cancellation of a contract for the supply’ nou oule azout ‘of a service shall not take effect.’ anler Touzour dan 99, 99(1)(b) dan dernyen laliny apre sa mo ‘his’ nou oule azout ‘her’ pou li lir circumstances, ‘his or her intention to cancel the contract.’ Lo menm paz me sapit Roman VII Right to Safety dan clause 100 - 100 (1) (a) zis avan general nou oule tir sa mo ‘the pou li lir ‘supply any goods which to comply with general safety.’ Mr Chair lentervansyon.
i annan en fail MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab William.

Mersi Onorab Henrie.

HON WAVEN WILLIAM Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair sa bout sirtou la i en lartik ki a ler aktyel ki en bon pe bann dimoun vizavi safety, kot i konsern bann prodwir lokal.

Letan nou pe dir general safety requirements, mon anvi demann avek panel akoz mon pa’n vwar kalifikasyon safety requirements, eski i pou annan en standar akoz, ki arive se ki ozordi.

Mon ava donn ou en legzanp Mr Speaker.


La Misere kot Mr Dugasse ouswa kot ou menm en dimoun i pase i vol ou sousout e dizon i ou’n spray e prezan sa dimoun ki pe vann sa obor semen ouswa i al dispoz sa.

Me mon santi poudir ozordi en bon pe bann dimoun san realiz zot pe ganny toxicated, akoz nou pou vwar i annan 92 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 bokou bann ka kanser ki i pou monte me ki mannyer nou pou kapab?
Akoz mon konnen poudir Minister Lagrikiltir ti pe fer serten travay menm Lapolis.

Me ki fason nou kapab reinforce en pti pe sa zafer safety lokalman?

La mon pa pe kritik poudir tou bann fermye ozordi pa pou obzerve.

Mon konnen lontan poudir ti annan en sertifika ki bann fermye ti gannyen par lefe ki zot in train pou zot kapab spray e obzerv serten standar.

Me mon anvi konnen konmsi vizavi nou prop safety bann konsonmater prodwir ki mannyer ki sa dan sa Lalwa la nou kapab ranforsi li?
avek Akoz ozordi Mr Speaker parey mon dir i en gro konsern.

Akoz dimoun pa konsyan poudir zot pe kapab ganny toxicated avek kemikal.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Panel.

Lekel ki kapab adrese silvouple?

Yes AG.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Mersi Mr Chair.

I en kestyon en pti pe difisil sirtou dan la pratik.

Akoz ozordi, laplipar ozordi nou vwar dimoun pe trade en kantite dimoun pe trade without a license e dan bann sekter kekfwa ki pa osi regulated.
So si nou les bann marsan anbilan, pou vann zot bann prodwir lo trotwar, san regulate then nou espekte nou pou annan sa problenm.

Me si Lotorite i dir no person shall sell anything without a license, then ou kapab regulate son prodwir.

I parey ler ou pe fer gato piman kot ou avek sanmousa e apre ou vin.

Me si ou fer li dan ou lasanmben, oubyen dan ou toilet parey e apre ou vann.

So ou pa pou kapab regulate li.

So alor ou pou bezwen al kot sa dimoun ki pe prodwir sa.
Dan sa ka ou bezwen gete ek sa dimoun be kote ou’n aste ou fri ek legim or whatever.

So i en kestyon regulate li.

E pou ou regulate parey bann bazardye zot annan zot en permisyon ki zot bazardye.

Me nou vwar ki i annan en dan past years kot i annan bann dimoun ki pe vin vann ki zis met en latab e zot pe vann bann prodwir parey.

So Lotorite pou bezwen antre konmans regulate si nou anvi anpes en sityasyon sa arive.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER 93 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Thank you.
Onorab Aglae.

HON EGBERT AGLAE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Lo kote lo kote cancellation of 99 contract, petet mon vwar li en pti pe tro ouver kot ou pou les antre en lesefer attitude mon kapab dir.

Akoz mon pe dir sa, akoz mannyer mon pe enterprete zot ava get mon se ki ou kapab cancel en kontra of service avek ou supplier by endik li swa an bous swa dan bann lezot formil.
Be bann lenstans kot nou’n agree lo en servis e tandis ki mwan konman sa supplier ok mon pe servi mon larzan, sirtou si i annan keksoz konponan enporte e ler mon’n fini procure, e dan semen kot keksoz pe vini swa lo bato ou deside cancel en kontra avek mwan.

I annan son perd ekonomik ki vin avek.

Si sa keksoz petet mon pa kapab, mon pe fer vini inikman pou sa rezon spesifik kot mon pa kapab servi li dan bann lezot lenstans ankor.
So eski bann cancellation of i bezwen vin avek contract serten petet regilasyon ki i ava vin, avek on justifiable ground ouswa reasonable ground osi pou zis cancel en kontra servis.

Ouswa petet par serten i kapab annan bann akt malisye ouswa kas anba osi, tousala i egziste.

So petet en pe gidans lo la as to dan en fason ki ou zis cancel en Kontra.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Panel yes ler zot pare.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Mersi Mr Chairman.
Mr sezi Chairman mon pa’n antyerman sa ki Onorab Aglae in dir.

Me selman dan tou kontra ou lobligasyon i dapre bann dapre sa ki ganny prevwar dan sa kontra.

Me selman i annan bokou bann provizyon dan en kontra sorry i annan serten provizyon dan Lalwa ki fer ki ou pa annan drwa kontrakte kont oubyen bann kontrerman of provizyon sa ki nou apel bann rules of public policy.
sa Par egzanp mon pran en legzanp petet zis pou donn ou donn sa legzanp ;- par egzanp i annan serten garanti, ki ou bezwen donn en dimoun dan en kontra.

So ou pa kapab par sa kontra dir mon pa pou donn ou garanti.

So menm si dan en kontra ou mete poudir mon pa pou donn ou sa mon pa pou fer sa keksoz, Lalwa pou provide ki ou 94 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 fer sa keksoz.

Akoz ou’n derogate from the requirements of the law.
Pou ou sorti dan en kontra i pou depan lo sa kontra li menm li.

me normalman bann kontra supply i pou bezwen annan en dele letan, pou ki, ki sa kontra i valab son term.

Akoz personn i en prensip Lalwa Kontra se ki ou pa kapab kontrakte kou lavi.
So tou kontra i pou annan en term kot i napa en term se bann kondisyon bann i annan en term ki nou servi setadir bann sa term pa vini, me selman i sa sirkonstans ou bezwen kalite Kontra ki ou fer ki ou kapab sorti oubyen ou donn notis, ou donn notis pou ou terminate sa kontra.

Me si sa kontra par egzanp in spesifye pou en term e ou oule donn notis e notis pa’n spesifye ladan.

La petet ou pou pey serten keksoz sirtou bann Kontra servis.
E Lakour pou ordonn ou pou pey sa dimoun, akoz sa dimoun ki ou’n antre dan en kontra servis avek li in kalkil son gen ki i pou gannyen dan legzekisyon sa kontra.

E si ou ale ou terminate sa kontra savedir i pou annan en gen manke.

E la i pou vin claim ou son konpansasyon, pou sa gen ki in legzekisyon sa manke dan kontra.

Mon pa konnen si mon’n reponn ou kestyon me selman sa i bann keksoz ki i annan en kantite Lalwa dan drwa konman en kontra ki pou ede pou okenn aksyon koumsa.

Mersi.
Mersi.

enterpret MR SPEAKER Wi Onorab Aglae.

HON EGBERT AGLAE Yes AG ou partly right i kler sa ki ou pe dir.

Me selman savedir mannyer nou pe enterpret Lalwa, i pou egzizan la ki i annan serten servis pou ki i pa ariv bann sityasyon kot tou le de parti, i vwar li dan en pozisyon ki ler i ariv en kontra i kennsel pa fer bann pert.
So i bezwen stipile dan Kontra kler ozordi, parey ou’n dir dele letan si mon pa pe met sa timeframe ki mon sipoze meet ki son bann kontrent mon sipoze meet ki son bann konsekans.

En pe parey arive avek bann kontra Gouvernman sirtou avek bann konstriksyon ozordi ki arive si ou pa admit ou ganny sarze.

Ou pou bezwen pey mon ouswa mwan ki pou bezwen pey ou.
So eski prezan nou pou bezwen baze lo Lalwa i annan bann servis kot i pou obligatwar prezan pou zot - i pou pli meyer pou zot proteksyon antre dan 95 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 bann kontra spesifik i ganny dikte avek bandi diferan laliny.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Panel i ti ava kontan azoute?

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Wi ou konnen bokou bann dimoun i antre dan en kontra an ekrir.

me tre souvan bann kontra pa ekrir.


E pa akoz ou napa en kontra ekrir, i vedir ki napa en kontra.

Parfwa i annan Kontra i ganny constituted par exchange of korespondans ant de dimoun email.

Parfwa i zis verbal me selman i annan sa ki nou apel bann keksoz, bann levidans ki mon demontre poudir i annan en kontra ki’n ganny antre ladan.

Par egzanp ou al aste en transpor kot en dimoun e ou pa ekrir nanryen.

Me selman be ler ou donn li cheque i montre poudir ou’n donn li en cheque pou en keksoz.
E so i sa bann keksoz ki determin legzistans en kontra.

E ou menm en servis.

So me selman i ankourazan pou ou annan en kontra ekrir.

E se sa pou dan sa Lalwa i annan bann unfair contractor.

I annan bann term ki unfair e prezan i permet i pou permet tribinal deklare poudir sa bann term e kondisyon i pa fair i pa zis.

E alor swa i anyel sa kontra oubyen i pou anil sa bann term e kondisyon ki montre ki pa zis.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Pillay ou ti’n lev lanmen, ou ankor anvi fer en pwen?
HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair sa i lev en si oule en sityasyon enteresan.

What if sa konsonmater ki pe resevwar servis atraver sa kontrakter, li i pa neseserman onor bann lobligasyon sa Kontra.

egzanp Pran Gouvernman bann kontrakter LWMA, ki rekour zot annan la zot vizavi sa dan bann sirkonstans koumsa?

avek par So par egzanp sa kontrakter i sipoze fer en tel travay me pou lakantite larzan ki i pe gannyen pou i pa lakantite neseserman anliny.
travay Ou konpran ler mon pe gete Gouvernman ki pe consumer la.

I benefisye atraver sistenm ek thinking ki nou annan.

Me sa kontrakter ki pe provide sa 96 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 servis where does sa Kontrakter i ale li specific?

Si AG i kapab donn en lesplikasyon.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Panel.

Ale panel si nou ava ekout en pti moman Onorab Gill i ava azout son pwen.

HON CHURCHILL GILL Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonn ou apre midi Minis delegasyon, tou Manm.


ek Dan menm laliny sa menm kontrakter LWMA, ki li i lo son Kontra i sipoze ganny peye lafen dimwan le 30 Oktob oubyen le 31, me selman zot vwar zot souvan pe ganny peye oubyen bann ka kot zot ganny peye le 5 le 6, menm keksoz ki rekour ki bor zot annan rekour ki sa Lagreman pa pe ganny respekte dan sa sans?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Panel ou kapab eklersi sa silvouple.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Mersi Mr Chairman.
Mr Chairman mon krwar nou pou al dan en pe detay ki petet i kapab anbaras mon konman Attorney Zeneral si demen i demann nou pou LWMA reprezant zot.

lobligasyon pou Bon i annan dan tou kontra fer en en keksoz.

i en lobligasyon pou ou peye.

Parski i en kontre parti lo kontra.

E peyman So si en dimoun i santi poudir son lobligasyon son kou kontraktan in ganny i pa’n ganny fer.

Then i pou bezwen fer en demann avek son kontraktan sa ki oblize perform son lobligasyon and then si i pa fer i claim.
E si i claim e i sa dimoun ki oblize pa peye.

Then Lalwa i prevwar ki i annan sa ki nou apel en domaz en domaz pour non-performance.

Ki nou apel sa to son extend en domaz moratwar.

E la i ganny par peyman lentere lo larzan, akoz se larzan ki involve.

I parey avek en kontrakter.

Oubyen zot servi zot bann mekaniz i annan en kantite mekaniz legal ki ou kapab servi pou ou terminate ou kontra.
Me bokou i annan dimoun pa pou terminate en Kontra akoz son kontra i ankor valab, me i annan zis en eleman en obligasyon ki pa pe ganny perform.

Alor li i deside pou li al Ankour.

E se Ankour ki determinen lekel ki an tor e lekel ki pou perform en serten lobligasyon.
97 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 E si dan kontra i annan par egzanp si i annan en dele dan peyman i annan en lentere ki payable, then be bokou kontra napa sa, e alor ou bezwen al Ankour pou ou ganny en deklarasyon avek Lakour ki i annan en kontravansyon sa Kontra, savedir i annan en breach of the obligation e baze lo sa breach therefore Lakour pou ordonn peyman sa sonm ki due an plis si i santi poudir i annan sa domaz in performance, prezan i pou pey i pou dir subject to interest at whether en commercial rate oubyen at par egzanp nou pou dir en legal rate.
Mersi.

the delay MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Bon vi ki bann Manm pa pe rod okenn sanzman dan Lalwa anmezir lesplikasyon mon krwar nou kapab aksepte sa e nou ava kontinyen Onorab Henrie.

Next one Mr Chair i lo paz 94, savedir i pou vin clause 100 (4)(b) Roman (ii).

Dan dezyenm laliny apre ‘supply’ nou oule azout mo’ them’ pou lir li ‘offered to supply them’, … MR SPEAKER Bon nou ava aret en pti moman.

Mon annan en lanmen ki’n leve.

Onorab Andre.

HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Mersi Mr Chair.


Mr Chair Onorab Henrie in sot 100 100 (1) e deletion of the word’ the’ between ‘with’ and ‘general.’ Ok.

Sorry.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Ok, so that’s done.

Ok. HON GERVAIS HENRIE Kontinyen Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Back to you yes.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Lo clause 100 general safety requirements lo paz 92.
Dan sa clause i annan de mo requirement ki dan 100 (2) apre 100(3) pou nou fer li anliny avek headnote nou’n azout ‘s’ dan tou le de lenstans pou fer li vin ‘requirements.’ Sa i lo 100 (2) avek 100 (3).

So next clause i 100(5) (a) dan trwazyenm laliny nou oule azout ‘s’ avek sa mo person pou li lir ‘goods to person who generally.’ Apre nou pou al lo paz 15.
Savedir i pou vin clause 102 (2) laliny ki dan konmans avek ‘may dispose’ trwazyenm 98 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 apre dispose nou oule azout mo ‘of.’ E apre, mo goods dan menm Savedir laliny, nou oule tir ‘to’ e met ‘at.’ ‘may i pou dispose of or deposit goods at a collection facility.

‘ lir Prosen propozisyon lamannman i dan clause 104 standards for performance of services.
Dan laliny, dezyenm dernyen mo i ‘regard to’ e la nou oule azout en mo ‘the’ pou li lir ‘having regards to e la nou oule azout mo the pou li lir ‘having regard to circumstances of the supply.’ 104(1) (a) dan dernyen laliny nou oule i pou lir koumsa’ in the performance of the service.

‘ MR SPEAKER Thank you Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.


Mr Chair si mon kapab retourn an aryer mon krwar get lekel ki pe 102 (2) - 102(2) dan premye laliny mon pe regarde ‘if any return law prohibits the disposal or deposit’ sorry eskiz mwan pardon.

‘If any regulation or industry waste management plan under for the management’ mon krwar i annan en mo ki an plis la.

Mon ti ava propoze ki nou tir under.

regulation If any industry waste management plan eksetera applies.

Mersi.

the management for MR SPEAKER Thank you.


Mon krwar panel i aksepte.

Make sense Onorab Henrie.

Ou ava repran.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mr Chair nou prosen propozisyon lamannman i pou dan Chapter Roman VIII non mon’n fini pase sa.

104 (3), 104 (3) ki lo paz 96.

Apre dan dezyenm laliny apre mo perform nou oule azout ‘a service.
‘ Apre sorti paz 93 nou pou sot lo paz 98 setadir dan clause 105(d) - 105 (3) (d) dan sa mo paragraph, dezyenm laliny nou oule azout ‘s’ avek pou li lir ‘paragraphs.’ La apre nou pou al lo 106 (6) lo paz 98.

Dan dezyenm laliny ‘tampered’ pou tir sa e met ‘a with contrary to any instructions after leaving the control of the supplier.’ Next propozisyon i lo paz 99, clause 107(1) dan trwazyenm laliny sa mo section dernyen nou oule met capital.

Nou oule tir capital ‘S’ e fer li vin en pti ‘s’ section.
99 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 E dan laliny avan dernyen tampered ankor i ‘a’ non pa ‘e.’ 107(2) premye laliny apre ‘conformity’ nou oule azout ‘with applicable standards.’ Pou li lir ‘where the goods are not in conformity with applicable standards.’ MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab Gill i annan en pwen.

Onorab.

HON CHURCHILL GILL Sa dezyenm clause nimero (2) anba 107 i met 106 devan sipoze met 107 non?

Anba section 107 (1) apre ler ou fini sa paragraf i met 106 (2).
Anr ok. i form par dan sa paragraf?

Ok. MR SPEAKER Korek.

Yes Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chair.

Why six months an relasyon warranty, nou’n ariv la non?

Nou pa ankor ariv kot 107 (2)?

MR SPEAKER Non i ti’n ariv lo 107 yes I think.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY So 107(2) the consumer may, within six months why six months?

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Panel.

Yes CEO.

CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Well six months i deza dan nou current Act.


E implied warranty mostly in many places they are six months.

Me selman in addition to implied warranty ou osi annan supplier ki bann provide express warranty osi tou ki en sign of quality ouswa guarantee pour zot prodwi.

Me selman mon krwar more less between sis months i sa letan ki petet sa defo i kapab arise.

Be selman zeneralman ok nou pe get en peryod sis mwan lo sa kote.
Ou kapab petet anmenn largiman en pe pli lwen poudir i annan diferan kalite prodwir.

Me selman most Lalwa konsonmater zot tan pou relax otour six months period ki Commission i kapab egzers son bann warranty provision.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Thank Esparon.

you.

Onorab HON REGINA ESPARON Mersi Mr Chair.


Mr Chair letan nou lo sa size garanti la, 100 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 mon ti ava anvi petet Mr Lebon i eklersi mwan ou annan bann sityasyon kot PUC konman en service provider li, i pe donn ou sa servis, prezan ou konman sa konsonmater li son kouran i koupe e ou, ou vwar ou kot ou annan en lekipman ki anba garanti sis mwan, son letan garanti i pa ankor fini i brile akoz PUC in koup son kouran.
E bokou bann dimoun i fer avek bann problenm fas koumsa.

E ozordi sityasyon mannyer i ete PUC i dir ou i pa kouver pou sa lekipman ki’n brile.

ou Kote konman sa konsonmater ou al rod rekour pou ou reganny ou lekipman?

Parski sa lekipman osi in brile akoz kouran in koupe, e sa dimoun ki’n donn ou sa ki’n vann ou sa lekipman i pou dir ou koumsa it’s not a default ek sa lekipman li i pa pou rann ou li.
PUC lo son kote i pou dir ek ou koumsa poudir li i pa sa dimoun i pa la pou rann ou Kote dan bann lekipman.

sirkonstans koumsa ou al rod en rekour, ou konman sa konsonmater?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Panel.

Yes CEO.

Sa provizyon Lalwa - mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

sa provizyon Lalwa i fer provizyon pour waranti lo kote bann item petet ki vin Commission ki defective pou nou kapab donn en solisyon within that time period.
Be selman zis in ariv en keksoz avek PUC, ki kouver anba PUC Act ou kapab fer en claim avek PUC lo sa kote.

Mon pe mazin li koumsa.

Unless AG i kapab koriz mwan diferan.

Selman sa provizyon ki la i kouver en lekipman pou en peryod sis mwan si i annan okenn defo ki arise avek ki i no longer fit for the purpose, ki prezan sa konsonmater pa bezwen remet lanmen dan son pos FTC i kapab prouv sa i kapab ganny either en repair en replacement ouswa en refund.
I pou enposib si in ariv en keksoz ek PUC pou ou kapab konfirmen si sa ti defective ouswa non.

So mwan petet mon stand to be corrected - mwan mon mazinen poudir sa i kapab fer en claim direkteman ek PUC e mon krwar i annan ki pe fer li koumsa.

Be selman mon stand to be corrected lo la.

Mersi.

CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Yes Onorab Esparon.

MR SPEAKER 101 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 HON REGINA ESPARON Mersi Mr Chair.
Mr Chair i pa leka parski resaman dan distrik Glacis i annan enn de bann dimoun ki letan kouran in koupe, detrwa semenn pase, zot lekipman in ganny bliye.

E zot in al PUC, PUC in dir kategorikman poudir i pa pe entertain okenn claim.

Akoz anba son Lalwa li i pa pe rann nanryen li.

Prezan sa bann dimoun zot, zot bann konsonmater PUC zot, kote zot al rod rekour.

Eski zot pou ganny kouver anba sa nouvo Lalwa la ki nou pe fer?

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Bon mersi Mr Chairman.
Anba sa Lalwa se bann supplier savedir en dimoun ki pe vann ou en keksoz ki bezwen vann ou en prodwir san defo, whether i bann de fwa par an oubyen par bann de fwa par an.

E lo kote PUC mon pa pou pronons mon lekor petet sa bann dimoun seek legal advise, pou zot deside si zot pou kapab sue PUC oubyen non baze lo sa ki’n arive.

Zot pou bezwen legal advise.

E akoz zot pou bezwen montre poudir zot se koupir kouran, ki’n trigger zot appliances ki pou ganny andomaze oubyen pou pa marse.
MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab Zialor.

HON NADDY ZIALOR sa.

Mersi Mr Speaker, bonn apre midi.

Petet en pti pe anliny ek sa ki Onorab Esparon in dir avek clause 2, par lefe nou pe azout ‘with applicable’ standar.

Mon pa konnen si nou’n Dan bann kouver liberasyon in fer sorti bokou fwa konsernan konstriksyon, bann lakonpannyen konstriksyon ki fer bann lakaz ki pas bann diferan sistenm elektrik - nou annan en kantite legzanp bann adaptors ki vini ki tou difil i menm kouler.
en regilasyon bann standar Eski dan sa laliny nou pe mazin alongside sa Lalwa annan ki standardiz policies, konsernan sirtou elektronik bann aplikasyon elektronik ki vini ki nou ava dir be ok tou konstriksyon i sipoze separeman standar American oubyen standar UK oubyen standar Chinois.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Panel.

102 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY Mersi.
Mr Chairman mon krwar si ou pou koz lo konstriksyon sa ganny anba building regulate regulations si mon memwar i servi mwan byen.

i Akoz i annan ki bann kalite par egzanp electrical ki ou bezwen servi pou ou wire en building.

Me lezot lo kote bann appliances par egzanp sa ki nou aste televizyon, bann lezot mon pa kapab dir egzakteman.

Me selman definitivman i bezwen annan bann serten keksoz ki ou pou anmennen pou marse dan pei.

Me selman mon pa pou kapab pronons mon Mon pa osi o fe avek sa.

Mersi.
Mersi.

lekor.

MR SPEAKER CEO wi.

CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Mersi Mr Chair.

Zis en pti keksoz petet mon kapab demann Lasanble sirtou lo kote 107(2) kot nou pe koz en pe standards.

with Konmsi goods not in conformity with applicable standards.

Rezondet akoz nou pa ti met applicable standards nou akoz dan nou travay nou’n vwar applicable serten prodwir ki vin kot Commission ler ou pe assess whether defective or not, napa serten standar pou kapab mezir avek.
Mon santi poudir petet with applicable standards tant pou restrikte konsonmater abilite, pou nou si nou santi atraver son lobzervasyon petet assessment ki serten prodwir i pa comfort, ok?

So mwan mon ti pe mazin li pirman lo kote leksperyans ki nou’n anann ki nou’n kapab kit li ouver e deza seksyon (1) i fer referans 106(2) rather than applicable standard ki en lot baromet lo sa kote.
Sa i zis bann keksoz ki nou, nou’n come across dan nou leksperyans pou nou akoz nou pe koz prodwir la, i kapab varyete prodwir i annan ki petet nou pa pou gannyen sa e petet i pou anmar nou lanmen osi pou nou kapab konsonmater e remed.

I ava en keksoz ki sift the balance en pe the supplier.

Sa i en pti git ki mon pe mazinen lo sa kote petet i ti devret reste parey.

Sa en pe mon thought lo sa bout, me solman mon pa konnen ki Lasanble i panse.

Selman mon pe vin from an experience.


to 103 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 MR SPEAKER Si Lasanble i annan okenn pwennvi lo la nou ava kapab ekoute.

Nou ava pran Onorab Roucou.

HON MICHEL ROUCOU Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonn apre midi a tous.

Mr Speaker Mr Lebon in al en pti lo sa laliny ki mon ti pe koz lo la sa CEO.
Me solman souvandfwa nou vwar poudir i annan bokou laboutik ki zot sorti sa 6 mwan zot menm zot extent pou al lo kote 1an lo kote garanti, me solman problenm ki i annan souvandfwa se ki sa prodwir ki ou’n aste i pa bon li.

I pa bon ou retourn avek kot sa laboutik me solman sa laboutik dan plas donn nou enn nef, petet i pran sanmenm sa i al aranze kot ler zot re donn ou ankor ou vwar poudir i annan sa problenm menm.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER So wi panel.

Wi panel si ou kapab adres sa.


CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Mr Chair avan kekfwa mon pran kestyon Onorab Roucou.

Mon krwar Mr Georges i anvi koz lo sa issue ki mon’n raise early on, petet nou ava ganny klarite lo sa enn Mr Chair avan nou bouz lo sa lot.

MR SPEAKER Lo sa pwen ki ou ti’n fer Onorab avan ou pe dir?

Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Annefe Mr Speaker mon anvi adres plizyer bann pwen ki’n ganny fer la apre midi ki mon krwar kekfwa kapab rezourd sa.
compared Premyerman with applicable standard CEO i dir i restrikte e wi annefe.

Me si nou gard li where the goods are not in conformity i pa fer sans i bezwen an konformite avek serten keksoz.

Alor nou bezwen revwar sa fraz.

Akoz nou pa pou kapab zis dir where the goods are not in conformity akoz they not in conformity to something else.

Alor nou pou bezwen revwar kisisa ki nou pe mete konman nou comparable - preyerman.

Dezyenm keksoz se sa clause 107 la, i koz lo en spesifik warranty.
E sis mwan is an industry standard six month guarantee, mon krwar se pou sa rezon ki i la, se en universal standard.

E parey Onorab Roucou in dir, i annan serten sa se en minimonm i kapab ki en i ava donn ou en supplier 104 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 garanti 1an.

I kapab i ava donn ou contractually en garanti 3an oubyen en lifetime guarantee tousala i posib.

Sa clause 107 i pe zis restrikte en kalite garanti.
I pe dir ou dan ka kot i annan en implied warranty of conformity avek sa standar ki ti sipoze pe confirm avek.

Si i pa comply ou kapab anmennen e ganny e retourn sa product e ganny en refund se sa.

Me i annan plizyer lezot garanti, garanti i kapab dir ou mon ava repair dan 6 mwan.

Oubyen mon ava repair dan 1an i pa obliz repran.

Sa Lalwa i pe i spesifik lo repran.

Mon retournen mon rann ou, ou zafer, ou, ou larzan rann mon bezwen oubyen rann mon en lot keksoz.

So it’s a specific warranty.


i sa annan spesifik Me malgre parey warranty Attorney Zeneral in dir lezot garanti, anba Civil Code i annan warranty against defects.

bann defects ki aparan oubyen bann defects ki latent.

Ki i pa aparan ou pou vwar li pli tar.

Sa ki sa pe fer sa enn i senp i pe zis focus lo sa set tournavis ki ou aste e premye vis ki ou sey vise, vis i reste tournavis i ploye.

Se sa ki i pe vize.

Ou prezan ou retournen ou kapab dan en peryod 6 mwan reganny ou keksoz.
ki Me i annan par deryer sa bann lezot garanti contractual ki kapab al pli lwen ki 6an 6 mwan oubyen ki kapab tous bann lezot fason remedy e i annan garanti anba Lalwa Sivil normal tou konsomater whether or not i annan sa seksyon 107.

Alor mon ti anvi ki nou sezi, ki sa i pe zis koz lo en spesifik garantee, me i napa - i pa pe afekte tou bann lezot garanti ki kapab annan dan en komers lib.

Mersi.

protez MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab Pillay.

this HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Sa i kler sa.
Sa i kler sa.

E rezon akoz mon’n demann sa kestyon pou nou konpran implied warranty.

Konmsi zeneralman se ki ou pou gannyen.

Me ou bezwen realize osi ki ou annan de landrwa kot i mete en sign anler goods once sold are not returnable.

is an So si son store policy lekel li pli enportan la?

Eski is it the store policy ki pli enportan or implied warranty anba the Lalwa ki ti sipoze protez sa konsonmater?
105 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 in kan Se sa ki rezon mon pe demann sa kestyon, akoz si lenplikasyon ki nou pe dir se kisisa sa supplier in dir ou poudir goods once sold are not Ou six month returnable.

warranty implied dan ou Lalwa i tonbe.

Akoz mon pe aste sa komodite ganny expressly dir goods once sold are not returnable.

Me mon drwa anba Lalwa ki mon annan 6 mwan pou retourn avek sa prodwir si i defective.
E i deza ganny kouver anba 106(4) ki dir whether sa defect i latent or i vin aparan apre.

So i enportan pou nou sitye nou ler nou pas sa Lalwa k i mannyer sa clause pou ganny aplike.

Sa i mon premye pwen.

Prezan mon dezyenm pwen an relasyon avek serten item ki en supplier kapab supply ou.

Annou pran par egzanp lo lendistri otomotiv right?

I annan en world right par egzanp an standard relasyon ek serten brand ki warranty i 3an.

Me i annan posibilite parfwa ki Sesel ou vwar ki warranty i 2an.
Konmsi ki mannyer nou fer ki si ou pe vann mon en prodwir anba sa brand ki’n ganny - mon krwar i annan en dokiman pou depoze kot Trade pou ou ganny sa copyright si mon pa tronpe i pas dan Gazet sa.

i ou dir pou i met konsonmater So i bezwen annan en fason ganny ki proteze, akoz si non ou pou vwar en konsonmater ki dan en lot ziridiksyon i bezwen benefisye avek warranty, me ki en konsonmater dan zirestriksyon pe benefisye avek sa warranty parey.
rezon sa E malgre ki manufacturer sa warrant,y se akoz i konnen poudir i riske annan sa defect dan sa peryod letan.

Petet sa 3an dan plas 2an.

So i annan sa de pwen mon ti ava kontan met an perspektiv.

Me sa enn premye i enportan pou nou deal avek an relasyon avek en sign ki pou aparet dan en laboutik.

Mon asire ki tou dimoun i vwar, ‘goods once sold are not returnable.

Savedir once ou’n aste en keksoz ou pa kapab retourn avek.

Mersi Mr Chairman.
Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Wi ok panel i kapab adres sa bann lesplikasyon, selman apre sa nou mazinen si i annan okenn sanzman wording dan Lalwa ki nou pe propoze.

Panel yes CEO.

CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON 106 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Mersi Mersi Mr Chair.

Onorab.

Mon krwar dan nou bann ledikasyon ouswa osi dan nou market monitoring en kantite landrwa nou’n fer zot tire sa zafer ‘goods sold not refurnable.

Pou prensipalman akoz sa provizyon anba Lalwa.


Selman nou bezwen realize poudir i annan worldwide osi i annan serten bann item ki vann parey clothing, ki pou izinik ou pa kapab retourn avek.

Be selman mon pou dir ou en kantite ki nou’n fer tire.

Me selman en provizyon Lalwa i bokou pli o ki i donn portes konsonmater ki en shop policy ki i pa anliny avek sa ki Lalwa Konsonmater pe dir.
la So sa en keksoz ki nou osi lo lo kote pou focus ledikasyon, e nou’n deza konmans fer i annan en kantite laboutik fer zot tire lo sa kote.

I annan byensir ki i annan serten konsern ki’n met devan nou, ki zot bezwen verifye sa prodwir ki vini pou fer sir sa - ou dimoun pa’n konpran?

Selman la nou bezwen mazinen poudir si sa prodwir i defective, ok ou’n vann sa konsonmater poudir defective i annan en rekour anba Lalwa akoz ou pa sipoze vann en keksoz ki defetive.

Mersi.

servi MR SPEAKER Thank you.


Eski i annan okenn pwen wording ladan ki nou bezwen sanze, oubyen i zis en lesplikasyon.

Onorab Georges.

kestyon HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair swivan sa ki in dir with applicable CEO standards kekfwa nou devret met with specified standards.

Akoz mon dir sa?

Akoz bann standards in fini ganny spesifye dan 107 (1) anler.

In dir that the goods are in conformity with requirements and standards specified under section 106 (2).
Alor nou met dan number 2 dan clause 2 where the goods are not in conformity will refer back with specified standards, alor nou pe refer to 106(1).

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

CEO.

CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Mersi Mr Chair.

At least sa ti mon pou ti pou mon dezyenm komanter ki lentansyon ki se ki nou ti pe refer avek 106(2) ki deza set out bann fakter ki conformity i kapab conformity to.
107 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Apre Mr Chair mon krwar Onorab Roucou ti’n demann en kestyon - mon krwar avek ou permisyon si ou les mon ti kapab reponn li.

MR SPEAKER Yes.

CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Wi.

I annan wi bann laboutik ki kantmenm ou annan ou waranti zot dir ou zot ava aranze avan.

E ou pou vwar poudir anba Lalwa sa biznes i annan drwa pou li repair.

Ok si i pa kapab repair petet nou pa ankor ariv lo la, i ava replace apre eventually i ava refund.
Akoz nou pa oule osi de- balans biznes.

Nou bezwen strike en balance lo kote Lalwa Konsonmater.

i mars Akoz tou ansanm ok?

So ou pou vwar pli tar ler nou ale dan sa bann clause ki sa bann kriter ki nou set pou repair apre kote ki vin replacement apre kote ki ou refund.

So i further down.

Thank you.

le de MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Ok nou’n settle sa pwen standar.

Avek lezot lesplikasyon Onorab Henrie ou kapab kontinyen.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair.


Nou lo clause 109 liability for damage caused by unsafe - 109 (1) (b) sa mo defects nou pe tir sda ‘s’ avek fer li defect.

Apre nou al lo paz 103 savedir nou pe koz clause 109 (5) (5) (d) Roman (ii).

Premye anler dezyenm laliny nou pou sanz nou pou ‘applies’ olye ki ‘apply’ to the person by virtue nou pou tir ‘of the’ only nou azout of the.

Alor i lir koumsa ‘or applies to the person by virtue only of the things done otherwise.

‘ Lot propozisyon lamannman nou desann.


MR SPEAKER Onorab Georges HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair avan ki Onorab i al lo prosen lamannman, mon ti ava kontan atir latansyon panel lo menm paz 103 paragraf (f) Roman (ii) E la mon bezwen en pti pe led.

Si nou regard the liability of a particular person under this section does not arise if- (f) sorry if (a), (b), (c), (d), there’s not arise if they’re unsafe, i annan en problenm la.
Fodre nou tir ‘that’ dan premye mo (e ) e fodre nou tir ‘that’ dan premye mo (f) pou li swiv eskiz mwan.

108 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 If the unsafe product characteristic, failure, defect or hazard to was wholly attributable to the design of the subsequent the markings on or accompanying the subsequent product order to compliance by the producer of the goods in question with instructions or warnings given by the subsequent product.’ product, I found this very challenging.
E mon ti ava kontan revi avek panel pou sey ed mon konpran sa paragraf.

Eskiz mwan me maybe I missing something me i annan en mon mazinen i annan en drafting issue la.

mersi.

MR SPEAKER Yes panel.

Pillay.

Yes Onorab HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair si mon pe ekout Onorab sa (f) i flow from sa chapeau anler kot i dir the avalibility does not arise if so then mon krwar sa premye ‘that’ i redundant dan (f).

Sa i tonbe.

And then nou wi dan (e) osi i tonbe.

Apre nou kontinyen.
Apre nou kontinyen.

Mon ava zis fer li tonbe.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Georges ti ankor pe rod lesplikasyon Roman lo (ii) non?

AG ou pare pou adres sa?

HON BERNARD GEORGES of I got it.


Mon krwar Mr Chair avek ou permisyon sa order la dan trwazyenm laliny i devret ‘or.’ Was only attributable to the subsequent the design product - easy the markings on or the accompanying subsequent product- easy - or to compliance by the producer of the goods in question with instructions or warnings given by producer of the subsequent product.

Mon krwar si nou tir sa ‘order’ e nou ranplas li par ‘or’ we’re ok. Mersi.

MR SPEAKER AG nou kapab aksepte sa?


Yes ok that’s done.

Onorab Henrie.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Savedir la nou lo clause 109 (6) lo paz 103.

(6) (b) nou oule tir ‘an’ devan mo illness e dan (d) nou oule azout s avek result pou fer li vin results.
Then we proceed to paz 104, savedir i vin clause 109 (8) dan premye laliny apre ‘for’ nou oule azout the i ava lir ‘for the purposes of subsection.’ 109 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 E dan dezyenm laliny apre sa mo ‘wood’ nou oule azout ‘lead’ e tir ‘need’ pou li lir ‘damage to any property are such facts about the damage as would lead a reasonable person with.
Next one is clause 110 (2) savedir lo paz 105 dan premye laliny avan service nou oule azout a pou li lir a supplier of a service who.

I vin menm zafer dan clause 112 premye laliny a supplier of goods or service.

E dan next one.

Nou pe al clause 114.

MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY So mon oule zis ganny en reasiran ki ler nou pe koz lo 112 an relasyon ek prohibition of notice to disclaim liability or right ki ti en pti pe dan laliny ki mon ti pe demande taler.
This is where i pou ganny kouver la, kot ou pa pou kapab met en notis dan en landrwa dan en magazen somewhere ki anpes.

Thank you.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Yes so sa i ganny kouver yes Onorab Henrie.

Ou ti’n ariv lo 114 (d) Roman (ii) ki lo paz 107 dan dezyenm laliny nou oule tir sa mo ‘for’ pou li lir ‘liable to a financial penalty.’ Apre nou pou bouz en pti pe devan.

E nou next proposal for lo paz 112;- amendment savedir nou sorti 107 nou sot 112. i MR SPEAKER Ki clause?
HON GERVAIS HENRIE 112 clause 123 (3).

Dan dernyen laliny 123 (3) nou tir ‘a’ devan notice i ava lir ‘after giving the Commission notice to do so.’ Next one nou pou al clause 124 review of notices to Tribunal dan dezyenm laliny.

MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Zis en pwen klarifikasyon ler nou dir liability of an insurer, eski Minis pour Finans nou kapab kalifye what you mean by an insurer dan sa perspektiv spesifik la?

Akoz.

MR SPEAKER Ki seksyon Onorab please?


HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Liability of an insurance certain cases.

Ok of an insurer under contract of insurance.

110 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 So as it stands la se eski nou pe mean an insurer dan lesans pli larz as an insurer as in a insurance company in which case doesn’t that fall under the remit of Financial Consumer Protection Act?

Me selman mon open ki si i annan lezot nide ki separe avek sa.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Minis wi.


MR SPEAKER Panel.

Yes CEO.

CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON i Mersi Mr Chair apre AG kapab.

So ler nou ti pe devlop sa seksyon ou pou vwar sa seksyon i focus pirman lo kote recall of goods.

Me selman ler mon’n diskit avek Minis i paret mwan en seksyon ki pe kouver ki pe kouver anba financial consumer section at this point i kapab akoz sa seksyon i osi kouver possible defects in the goods.
So nou pe koz lo liability of insurer, akoz nou konnen in certain cases poudir i pou annan sa ki pou arive ou pe recall sa bann goods.

So nou’n met li la pou sa lo sa kote, akoz ou rezon bezwen mazinen osi poudir petet sa Lalwa osi i en pti pe ganny devlope avan Financial Consumer Protection Act ler nou ti pe get sa bann seksyon.

Selman i en area kot nou santi poudir nou devret donn serten proteksyon lo sa kote.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.


Onorab si mon pe mazinen ki sa clause i vreman spesifik.

I pa en clause ki ler ou get Financial Consumer Protection sa clause i spesifik dan sa Lalwa.

Sa enn la i pe kouver li direkteman with regards to en kontra anba e ler ou annan en i pa ganny kouver recall spesifikman anba Financial Consumer Protection, so mon pa vwar en problenm pou include li ladan, akoz i pe go once step plis pe further proteksyon ki already available the Financial Consumer on Protection.
donn i MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Zis sa ki mwan mon pou demann ou se ki konman Minis ki sa bann antite tousala i tonm anba ou.

Akoz FTC i tonm anba ou.

So donn nou en garanti ki poudir pou napa en zwe ziridiksyon apre ant Komisyon 111 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 avek FSA kan i annan en sirkonstans kot en dimoun i annan en liability regarding en insurer, pou li met good lo en recall lo en prodwi.

Akoz apre nou’n gannyen dan lepase sa bann issues.


In deza arive plizyer fwa dan lezot pei i osi annan sa bann issue akoz whilst en antite regilatwar ki i annan ziridiksyon, i pa neseserman pa oule korpore.

serten annan Me lenformasyon ki napa sa resanz so si ou donn nou sa garanti, mon napa problenm akoz mon krwar i devret la.

Akoz sa i fer li pli senp, en pe pli neat en pe fasil pou en konsonmater kapab ganny en rekour.

Konpran?
Konpran?

So mon ti ava kontan i vin pli konplike, akoz mon santi personnelman ki anba Consumer i en pe pli Protection Act konplike.

Financial i MR SPEAKER Minis pou azoute - wi.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Thank you Mr Chairman.

Non mwan mon vwar bann diferan Lazans i devret travay an kolaborasyon ek kanmarad.

Mon pa vwar akoz i devret annan en territorial issue lo la e mon si sa i vin devan mon latansyon i en keksoz ki mon pou anmenn li dan Lazans lo latab poudir we need to deal with sa sityasyon.
MR SPEAKER Ok thank you.

Minis in donn en pledge omwen pa en garanti.

Onorab Henrie.

Ou’n pare pou move on?

by Tribunal HON GERVAIS HENRIE Wi mersi Mr Chair.


Nou proceed to clause 124 review of dan notices dezyenm laliny 124 (1) i pou lir koumsa ‘apply to Tribunal in the prescribed manner and form to review the notice.’ Savedir nou pe tir sa mo ‘at that’ pou nou fer li vin ‘the notice.’ i E dan konmans avek within 20 days of receiving it nou tir’ that notice.’ I lir within 20 days of receiving it, or such longer period as may be allowed.
Apre nou proceed lo paz 114 setadir nou pou lo clause 125 (3) an enterprise nou tir sa mo ‘may’ i ava lir an enterprise holds nou azout en ‘s’ dominant position, if.

laliny ki swiv MR SPEAKER Ok. Panel CEO i oule fer en pwen.

CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON 112 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Mersi Mr Chair.

Rezon akoz nou ti met ‘may’ parey ou pe vwar dan seksyon 3 i more less en mechanical approach pou sey determin dominans.
Me solman nou’n vwar poudir bann desizyon ki’n sorti osi bann lately ziridiksyon i annan bann enterprise ki kapab dominan avek pli ba market share ki sa si zot hold en critical asset.

dan e ‘May’ i donn Commission ability pou get sa bann diferan sekter dan en lizye ouver e obzektif.

Me solman pa met li dan en fason ki determinan, zis par sa approach ki nou nou’n mete dan Lalwa, akoz la nou pe koz pirman market share apre market power.
Me selman i annan petet bann lezot eleman ek bann lezot market ki devlope.

Sirtou bann digital market, ki petet paler i annan en firm avek 28poursan market share ki nou vwar deor.

Be selman i hold en critical asset ki donn li market power.

So mon santi poudir nou devret larg lanmen en pe, e les nou bann largiman ek nou bann levidans ki nou mete pou nou kapab determin dominant position.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.


Mr Chair konpran CEO, me mon krwar si nou met ‘may’ i annan en lot defayans.

E se pou sa rezon ki mon krwar propozisyon se pou pa fer sa.

Akoz dan 125 (1) i kler.

E la i ouver ‘an enterprise hold a dominant position if by itself or together with an interconnected - it occupies such a position of economic strength as will enable it to dominate.’ Donk legzanp ki CEO in donnen i tonm anba 125 (1) i wild.
125 (3) pe actually pe dir kip en kategori e defini dominant position.

I pa pe limit li.

The problem avek ‘may’ si nou met ‘may hold the dominant position if it has that’, se ki nou pe lans laport ouver pou Fair Trading Commission dir kisisa en ki en dominant position.

Alor si nou tir sa e nou dir 40poursan, i ler otomatikman ipso facto i annan en dominant position.

annan Oubyen si i annan mwens ki 40 i annan market power ipso i annan en dominant facto position.

Donk sa de kategori I kler.


Zot annan en dominant position.

Me i annan otour zot tou sord lezot kategori ki kapab anba 125(1) osi annan en 113 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 dominant position.

I think that’s the approach.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Minis.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.


Mon anvi zis servi kekfwa en legzanp practical pou kekfwa emphasize sa pwen of serten fleksibilite lo kote Komisyon En enterprise i kapab involve dan plizyer diferan segments of business - o biznes.

pe So ou ler koz 40poursan of the market, which market you’re talking about?

Annou servi en legzanp en lakonpannyen I annan li en marse corporate, en marse retail.

I annan diferan prodwir dan plizyer marse.

I annan data, i annan fixed line, i annan televizyon.
telekonm.

So mwan mon krwar ki sa definisyon si tro rigid i kapab koz Komisyon serten problenm lo determining market power.

konpran So ler CEO i fer sa pwen li mwan mon antyerman dan en fason pratik.

Si ou annan ou en biznes ki or en antrepriz ki li i dan en single market for a single product, i fasil determinen.

Me si i dan plizyer sekter mon krwar i kapab anmenn serten practical issues.

Mersi.

Thank you.

Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.


Mon krwar ki pe arive avek sa ki Minis pe dir nou, nou pe sort of eksplik keksoz, the sa is not problem 40poursan.

Problenm i avek ou definisyon market.

Se sa ki ou pe dir nou.

E sa i kree en lot problenm pou nou prezan.

then avek Akoz si ou enterpretasyon market it means ki ou pe koz lo an relasyon - pran par egzanp konman en layperson ler ou pe koz mon telekonm.

Telekonm mon pe mean en lakonpannyen ki fer ki provide sa servis.
So i pou enkli son data tou son zafer.

Me la ou pe dir mon poudir lenterpretasyon market dan sa konte sit means data, it means mobile, it means eksetera, it means sa bann keksoz.

en konplikasyon.

E akoz ou definisyon market i kree en konplikasyon then, si ou met li poudir i rizid, then i vin en problenm pour Komisyon.

i kree So So mon pa konnen i pou difisil pou get around sa, unless nou sey define market.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER 114 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Onorab Georges.
HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair mon konpran kot CEO avek Minis pe ale.

Me mannyer i ekrir la - ‘an enterprise may hold the dominant position if it has at least 40 percent of that market.

What does this means?

Si en enterprise i annan 40poursan of the market, does it have a dominant position or does it not?

Perhaps it does or perhaps it doesn’t.

Me lekel ki pou determinen?

How are you going to ki mannyer ou fer sa determinasyon?

Tandis ki 125(1) i kler.

I enperatif.


dominant A enterprise holds a dominant position if - La nou’n fer li kler.

Be dan (3) nou pe retir sa laklerte.

Who’s going to decide si i annan en dominant position or not si nou met ‘may?’ Lekel ki fer sa determinasyon?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Yes panel.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mon konpran - Dapre zot largiman zot, zot pe dir ou sanmenm akoz the problem, akoz zot pa oule ganny pri.

Akoz zot oule Komisyon fer serten determinasyon.


that’s Me for the purpose of the law, zot de clause i at logger heads ek kanmarad akoz enn i fer li kler, lot i reentrodwir anbigite prezan.

Me prezan i vin difisil.

Lekel sa ki dan milye sa ki pou perdi se konsonmater prezan en.

i Solman mon krwar devret kler.

I devret eksplisit, 40poursan it means ki ou sitan for dan sa marse pou ou kontrol keksoz.

E se sa rezon akoz konsonmater i perdi at the end of the day.
Prezan en lot problenm Mr Speaker, si ou ava permet mon Mr Chairman ki pe leve.

Prezan nou definisyon of market i vin en lot issue, akoz ki mannyer nou pou definir market dan sa sirkonstans.

MR SPEAKER Ok so ‘may’ or no ‘may?’ Ok, ale kot nou’n arive la?

Eski lot annan i panel lenterpretasyon?

en HON BERNARD GEORGES parey Assuming nou assume ki Lalwa fodre i serten.
Si sa ki panel pe dir i sa ki zot anvi, the simple thing to do is to say ‘the Commission will decide whether an enterprise has a on the dominant position market.

I senp.

Mon napa okenn problenm ek sa.

Let 115 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 decide.

Me Commission lemoman ki ou pe met sa, ler ou pou dir avek en konpannyen you have a dominant position, malgre ki ou napa 40poursan akoz ou annan market power.

Fine.
Fine.

Me ler ou pou dir li ou annan 60poran me ou still napa en dominant position.

I pou dir ou be why did you put 40 Ou percent the konpran?

Annou trouv en solisyon ki nou pa benchmark li lo en poursantaz.

Mersi.

law?

in MR SPEAKER assessment So eski ou ti ava met par ‘enterprise holds a egzanp dominant position if according to the the Commission’ oubyen the opinion?’ Would that suit?

Ok. Minis in agree yes nou kapab aksepte sa.

Thank you.
Thank you.

‘in of HON BERNARD GEORGES Ok if in the opinion of the Commission it holds what?

I pa kapab hold anything.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Basically it should be simple, the Commission shall decide on whether an enterprise hold a dominant position.

Wi i ava annan bann prezan prosedir ki fer pou li fer li.

MR SPEAKER CEO.

CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Petet ki mon ava propoze se satisfer se ki the Commission shall be termin at dominant position its subject investigation.

to MR SPEAKER En Onorab Pillay?


lot wording.

Yes Eski AG HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY i kapab fer komanter lo lefe si par egzanp Komisyon i dir poudir avek en konpannyen, konpannyen A one en dominant position.

Eski sa konpannyen li i annan drwa rebut e dir avek AG me prouve ki mannyer mon annan en dominant position.

Kwa ki fer ou dir mon annan en dominant position?


Eski i pou en defans pou sa konpannyen pou li dir prouv ek mon ki mon annan en dominant position e sa retard eski an sa laplikasyon relasyon avek en konsonmater.

i kapab Lalwa sa MR SPEAKER Yes CEO.

CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Ok, dan bann assessment dominance abuse of of 116 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 definitivman pou ou prouv abuse ou bezwen prouv dominans.
So en Commission li i pou gather evidence pou li prouve poudir sa etablisman ouswa sa enterprise i hold en dominant position ki kot i en pozisyon kot i pa zis gro me i kapab exert sufficient market power pou li afekte lezot lantrepriz.

Pou li kapab engage dan sa bann conduct.

Me the other party ki definitely reboot – rebut sa prezonpsyon ki FTC in fer dan son assessment e son bann levidans ki’n kolekte pa provide diferan lezot lenformasyon.
Me selman sa ler FTC i fini son investigation sa the matter for the Tribunal pou deside.

is Me Selman nou ki nou ti pe sey fer dan sa Lalwa, se tir sa bann keksoz ki ti napa avan ki ti kapab koz uncertainty, e met li dan Lalwa ki o kler pou en biznes realize.

Me selman sa ki nou bezwen konpran parey mon en pti git mon konsern lo kote (3) ki sa bann (a) ek (b) i enn de dedikasyon ki i for.
i annan selman sirkonstans ki i kapab annan parey mon’n dir en critical assets ki determin dominans beyond sa de pwen ki i annan.

Me Petet i ava bon si nou zeneraliz li.

Be mwan mon ti santi poudir ‘may’ i donn nou sa fleksibilite pou nou kapab dir be ou annan 50poursan, me selman ou napa market power.

Akoz ou annan en konpetiter ki osi annan 50poursan me selman en fold dan en critical asset.

Akoz mon pa kapab dir dan ki sekter ou pou determin abuse.

I diferan.

E sak sekter i annan son konpleksite.


So mwan mon ti pe mazin zis larg lanmen en pe sanmenm sa nou’n mazin li koumsa.

E mon konnen parey Sud Afrique in ganny menm issues lo sa kote.

Ou konpran ou pa pin li down avek sa de poudir i annan.

Akoz ou pou vwar ou dan en sityasyon kot petet kot Tribinal ki sa i ganny reverse.
E ou’n fer tou sa resours, tou sa travay me selman ou’n pri ek sa bout So lentansyon se petet sa fleksibilite dan assessment akoz abuse - akoz i competition is an economic law.

I annan en kantite keksoz ki diferan avek sa, ler ou pe get konpetisyon.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES 117 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Mr Chair mon konpran mon ti anvi propoz en solisyon.
Me kekfwa Onorab Gill i annan en lot propozisyon pou fer avan mon annan en propozisyon pou mon fer ki kekfwa i ava settle sa.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Gill oule fer ou pwen?

retenir en serten fleksibilite.

Dezyenmman dominant position zot anvi kategoriz li dan enn ant de fason.

Enn se ki ou annan en substantial share of the market or ki ou annan market power.

E market power i ganny definir dan souseksyon (4) at great length.

Alor nou pa kapab perdi san nide market power.


HON CHURCHILL GILL I pa en propozisyon selman mon oule zis atir ek bann latansyon panel dimoun ki pe pran par dan deba, ki lo sa clause nou pe koz i annan ler dominant.

sa dimoun Me selman nou pa pe dir akoz ler sa dimoun in ariv sa staz i pou only grow.

Be ki nou fer prezan?

Akoz li i pou napa fini go konpetiter akoz bann beyond competitors.
in son tou this Taking all of into consideration, mon pe propoz ki (3) i lir as follows: an enterprise pa ‘may’ but ‘an enterprise holds a dominant position if in the opinion of the Commission.’ Alor la, la kot sa ‘may’ i antre dan en lot fason.

if So an enterprise pa may but an enterprise holds a the dominant position opinion of the Commission (1) it holds a substantial share of that market or (2) it has market power.

San ki nou kay lo en poursantaz.

Mersi.

in Son abilite in pase.


Me ki nou fer prezan?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER MR SPEAKER Ok. La en lot size.

Onorab ou propoz oule Georges wording?

HON BERNARD GEORGES Yes Mr Chair.

Mersi bokou.

Mr Chair mon si mon konpran byen Komisyon i anvi Panel.

Ok Minis i dakor lo Ok la.

that accepted Lasanble?

Napa okenn soz?

Ok done.

Ok nou kapab move on.


is HON BERNARD GEORGES Mr Chair Attorney Zeneral pe propoze ki in fact i devret vin (3) i devret vin (2) oubyen zis 118 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 apre (1) akoz i swiv - follows better.

E si Lasanble i dakor san ki nou retard Lasanble, nou ava les sa the drafters pou entegre li pou vi ki nou annan son wording ki nou kapab tonm dakor lo la, la apre midi.

Mersi.

to MR SPEAKER Thank you.


Ok so yes nou konpran propozisyon Onorab e AG.

Ok panel nou’n settle sa nou kapab move on.

Onorab Henrie.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Setadir la prezan nou pou al lo paz 117 e nou pe regard clause 127 restrictive vertical practices.

I annan en lentervansyon Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab Cosgrow.

HON WALLACE COSGROW Yes mersi Mr Chair.

Avan nou bouz lo 127 mon ti anvi zis fer en pti lentervansyon lo 126.
Parey zot konnen yer dan deba merit lo Mosyon mon ti’n koz en pe lo bann zafer cartel avek collusion.

E mon krwar sa 126 i seksyon ki best represent sa zafer collusion ek cartel.

Spesifikman 126(1) i dir an agreement between, or decision or concerted practice by, enterprises in a horizontal relationship, or an association of enterprises, in the same market is prohibited -.

Now mon annan en pti pe problenm sa zafer agreement.

Akoz souvandfwa sa bann kalite practice pou napa en keksoz an ekrir.
It would be something ki ganny agree parey AG in dir taler en kontra - kind of en kontra verbal kot I ganny agree.

So ki mannyer Komisyon en pou agreement between sa bann dimoun pou zot kapab akte?

detekte kapab Par egzanp ladan mon vwar concerted practice apre horizontal relationship i ganny defini.

So eski petet i pa pou pridan pou annan en definisyon pou agreement, pou nou kapab fer sir ki Komisyon i kapab tyonbo sa practice si an ka i arive?
Akoz sa issue cartel i enn ki an collusion i enn ki enkyetan Mr Speaker Mr Chairman.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Minis.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chairman.

lo ler nou koz Onorab 119 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 agreement writing.

i pa bezwen in as ‘includes Dan seksyon lo bann definisyon agreement i ganny define any arrangement or understanding whether oral or in writing or whether or not it is it is or is intended legally enforceable.

‘ So concept agreement.


i pe broughten the an of what be to is E ou lot bout ou largiman se ki Komisyon li menm li i pou bezwen build sa investigative capacity pou li kapab prouve.

Me Lalwa li menm li in kit li ase ouver of what is an agreement.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

A risk ki sa i vin en ledan ki pa kapab morde.

Ki mannyer sa i kapab ganny reinforce akoz la nou pe koz lo Komisyon bezwen al etabli ki i annan sa concerted practice?
Ou vwar?

E se sa problenm ki nou annan.

Me Komisyon lo li tousel sa pa pou kapab concerted practice san ki i annan lezot antite ki antre dan zwe pou kapab fer sa.

etabli Akoz par egzanp nou pe koz lo collusion sete par egzanp fixing, nou pe koz price industry bann construction keksoz koumsa.

So ki langazman eski Minis pe donn nou?


Lefe ki sa i en Lalwa ki sipoze ase modern e nou’n pas pa mal letan la depi bomaten e yer pou nou debat sa Lalwa, travay lo lamannman e nou pe sey rod fer sir ki konsomater i ganny plis avan ki nou, nou lev nou lanmen lo la osi lo sa kote.

Ki garanti oubyen ki langazman nou kapab gannyen ek Minis ki mannyer dan sa laplikasyon?

Sa i en size ki zot deza pe konmans fer en serten travay internally pou etabli si i annan sa bann concerted practices ki pe go on currently.
MR SPEAKER CEO wi.

CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Mersi Mr Chair.

Mon ava zis kontribye lo la dan plas Minis.

Mon krwar nou bezwen konmans lo en pwen.

Nou annan provizyon pou nou anpes collusive practices parey dan tou Lalwa Mondyal.

Nou konnen poudir collusive practices or cartel i enn bann conduct konpetisyon ki 120 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 vreman difisil pou on cover everywhere.

That’s why ki ou vwar poudir i annan bann tools ki ganny devlope.
Parey 55 corporate immunity i enn bann tools ki ganny devlope pou sey tir bann cartel members pou donn lenformasyon Commission pou prosekite.

Ou annan bann lezot tools parey dawn raid ki ganny servi kot atraver Mazistra ou ganny n search warrant kot ou kapab pran serten lekipman pou analize pou gete si ou kapab ganny lenformasyon ok?

Sa la i la bann fason ki zot sey ganny lenformasyon pou zot kapab prosekit bann case.

Nou’n dir pli boner poudir okenn case ki ganny prosekite i bezwen baze lo levidans.
E sa bann zouti pe ganny donn nou dan nou bann Lalwa pou nou kapab prezan al fer sa louvraz, ki nou bezwen fer pou nou kapab ganny sa bann levidans.

nou ganny So sa challenge pou vin investigative capacity ki kot mannyer sa levidans.

Be selman sa bann tools i la.

E napa okenn par dan lemonn kot ou pou vwar i cartel i ganny uncovered i ganny penalize ki vin en matter fasil.

I toultan i sa bann tools ki ganny servi pou fer sa.

So komitman i la.

In vini atraver Lalwa.


Kapasite i la i pe kontinyen devlope.

So nou, nou angaze pou nou kapab uncover cartel si i egziste prouve, prosekite e fer i annan en strong sir ki deterrent ki i pa vin ankor dan sa sekter.

Me selman parey mon’n dir o konmansman, nou bezwen realize Onorab poudir dan la konpetisyon sa i enn bann keksoz kot i vreman difisil.

I pa ganny fer openly, i ganny fer dan kasyet.

Ou annan lendikasyon obzervasyon me selman ou bezwen annan lenformasyon.
E sa that’s why ki nou annan sa bann tools dan Lalwa pou nou kapab fer sa bann travay lo sa nivo.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Bon avek sa lesplikasyon nou ava kapab kontinyen Onorab Henrie.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mr Chair aprezan nou lo clause 127 restrictive vertical practices.
127(5) dan dernyen laliny avan service nou oule met ‘a’ pou li lir ‘ or a service providided.’ Mon ava repran akoz son laliny avan, avan dernyen: a minimum or a maximum resale price to the reseller of’ nou tir ‘a’ ‘recommend 121 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 ‘of goods or a service provided.’ Sa i dan 127.

Next nou proceed to paz 118, clause 128 grant of Dan 128(3) authorisation.
laliny avan dernyen ki konmans avek public benefit is reasonable in the circumstances, prezan nou ‘shall recommend to the Tribunal’ nou tir ‘for’ nou met ‘to’ grant nou tir of an authorisation.

azout oule Alor i lir si mon repran anler apre circumstances, ‘shall recommend to the Tribunal to grant an authorisation.

‘ Apre nou al lo clause 129.

Register of authorisation.

Dan 129 (1) e dan 129 (2) kot sa mo ‘authorisation’ annan propozisyon pou azout ‘s.’ I ok?
i Wi savedir Mr Chair headnote osi tou nou bezwen azout ‘s’ pou fer li konsistan.

Register of authorisations.

I korek?

Nou pe swiv.

Good.

Prezan nou pe sorti lo paz 119 e nou pou al lo paz 122 dan clause 133 (5) 133 application to Commission for merger.

133 (5) dan dezyenm laliny i ava lir koumsa within 120 days and nou oule azout make a recommendation to the Tribunal.

Alor i lir within 120 days and make a recommendation to the Tribunal.
Mr Chair apre nou bouz lo paz 123, dan clause 135 factors to be considered in determining merger.

Dan 135(1) (i) dernyen laliny nou pou tir sa mo ‘the ‘avan ‘market power.’ Alor i pou lir ‘to the merger having market power.’ Sorti 123 nou al lo paz 124 dan clause 136 clause 136 (3) (b) nou tir mo ‘to’ devan adopt.
E dan 136 (4) nou met a devan ‘recommendation pou li lir the Commission, while recommendation making under this section.’ a Nou reste lo 136(4)(b) Roman (i) savedir lo paz 1265 nou pou azout mo ‘the’ e tir mo ‘to’ e apre nou pou met prohibition.

Alor i pou lir koumsa:’ if it recommends the prohibition of the proposed merger.’ Savedir apre prohibition, ou; azout osi ‘of.’ Next one nou pou al lo paz 126 part Roman VI market inquiries.
138(1)(c) nou oule azout ‘s’ avek ‘consumer’ pou fer li vin interest of ‘consumers’ in the market.

Nou ava reste lo 138.

138 (4) dan premye laliny a lafen nou oule tir sa mo ‘the’ e azout ‘any.’ Pou lir ‘the Commission may conduct the market inquiry in any manner.’ I annan en- MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab Pillay.

122 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman mon konnen in long.
Me la nou’n ariv lo en clause ki vreman enportan e mon ti ava kontan lo 138(2) Mr Chairman.

Mwan mon krwar on a reasonable grounds to suspect that there is a market failure Mwan affecting consumers.

personnelman mwan krwar mwan.

E mon krwar Lasanble antye i krwar poudir i annan en market failure.

Sirtou nou lo sa kote latab.

Kan ki Komisyon pou konmans sa lenvestigasyon dan sa market failure, pou nou get en kou sa bann pri dan bann laboutik la?

li Ou kapab konmans konman sa Lalwa i fini pase?


Mon pe sey found out Mr Chairman si nou kapab bouz speed things along en pti pe pou nou kapab ed dimoun la en pe deor la en.

Sanmenm sa nou pe siport sa Lalwa.

MR SPEAKER Panel.

CEO.

CEO FTC FRANCIS LEBON Mr Chair mon krwar nou ava esper Lalwa pase apre nou ava get bann priyorite.

Mon krwar pri lavi i konsern tou dimoun.

E sak sekter i annan son So dapre nou problenm.


kapasite ki nou annan nou pe fer marketing Me i annan market selman si spesifik ki anvi nou pa get zis pri me plizyer lezot keksoz osi tou akoz pri i pase lo fakter.

inquiry.

Me selman mersi pou sa pwen.

Mon pran li serye an konsiderasyon.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Carry on Onorab Henrie.


HON GERVAIS HENRIE Prezan nou pou kontinyen nou touzour lo 138, solman nou sanz paz nou pou al lo paz nou pou al lo paz 128, savedir clause 138(7) (c) avan nou azout nou delete sa ‘s’ avek ‘matter.’ E dan (d) ki swiv nou oule azout ‘the’ avan Government li pou such recommendations the Government.

lir make to Sorti paz 128 nou pou al lo paz 130 dan part Roman VIII nou pe koz clause 142 ki kouver dan regulations.

dezyenm laliny i konmans avek penalties.


Nou oule azout ‘not’ mo ‘not’ before exceeding.

142(3) 123 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 Savedir i pou lir ‘penalties therefore to a fine not exceeding that of level 6 on –‘ I annan en.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Georges.

Wi ou annan en pwen?

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair mon pe regard en pti pe 139 (2) (b).

Mon pa konnen si nou’n tous lo la, bribes or fails to bribe.

Nou pa’n tous li ?

Wi.

Ale go ahead.


HON GERVAIS HENRIE Wi savedir panel in note sa enn la.

Ler pe ale, bann lekritir i konmans vin pli ptipti.

La aprezan 139 wi Mr Chair nou pou retourn lo 139(2)(b) avek bribe nou oule azout ‘s’ pou li lir ‘attempts to bribe or bribes any officer of the Commission.’ La aprezan nou pou kontinyen e nou pe al dan clause 143 -143 lo paz 131 i vin 143 (2) (a) dan dezyenm laliny i konmans avek ‘far as.’ E nou pou retir it is.
Alor i lir ‘far as not the inconsistent with provisions of this Act.’ Prosen propozisyon pour lamannman nou pou al lo clause 144 ki clause transitional provisions.

I vin 144 (2) (b) dan sa paragraf ki konmans avek shall stand dissolved.

E nou pou al lo katriyenm laliny, ki konmans avek ‘for premature termination of’ nou oule azout the respevtive terms of their office.
Alor i pou lir ‘for premature termination of the respevtive terms of their office or of any contract of service.’ Mr Chair nou sorti lo 132 paz 132 nou pou al lo paz 135.

E paz 135 la nou’n ariv dan schedule contract terms deemed unfair individually not negotiated.

E savedir i pou vin (1) non, non i pou vin (3) lo paz 135. if Ok savedir nou pe koz lo trwazyenm laliny ki konmans avek consumer or due.
Nou oule tir sa mo ’to’ e azout mo ‘by.’ Pou li lir ‘consumer or due by the latter.’ MR SPEAKER Ok we’ll stop there.

Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mr Chair mon demann leskiz meakoulpa.

Annefe mon pe relir sa e tir enn propozisyon ki mwan mon ti’n fer avek Bill Committee.

Interest payable by the consumer or due to the latter mon krwar i byen.

Akoz labank consumer i pey lentere avek labank.


Me osi labank i pey 124 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 lentere avek consumer si annan en deposit par egzanp.

i So I think on reflection mon krwar ti byen.

Interest payable by the consumer or due to the latter to the consumer basically.

So avek mon demann mon leskiz avek Bills Committee ki mon’n redwir zot an erer.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER So- HON GERVAIS HENRIE lo limero Savedir reste parey i orizinal Mr Chair.
Prezan nou pou bouz (4) ki konmans avek paragraph (1) (g).

E nou pou al lo trwazyenm laliny ki komans avek duration.

E nou oule azout mo ‘supplier’ pou li lir koumsa ‘duration, comma provided the supplier is required to inform the consumer with reasonable notice.

‘ that Nou kontinyen touzour lo paz 135 Mr Chair e nou pou bouz (7)(7)(a) dan dezyenm laliny nou oule azout the supplier apostrophe’s.
lo pwen E dan lot laliny nou pou tir ‘his.’ E dan lot laliny nou oule azout ‘or her.’ Alor i pou lir koumsa ‘excluding or limiting the liability of a supplier by reason of the supplier’ sown fraud or gross negligence or that of his or her employees or agents.’ Nou kontinyen (7) lo lot paz ki swiv savedir paz 136 i pou vin (7)(c ) dan trwazyenm laliny ki konmans avek ‘or inadequate performance by the supplier of any of his or her contractual obligations.’ Ok. Nou kontinyen paragraf ki vin anba savedir nou pe koz (7) (d) dan dernyen laliny apre same nou oule azout mo ‘supplier.’ Pou li lir ‘which the consumer may have against the same supplier.’ E nou tir’ trader.’ Dan lot paragraf ki swiv savedir (7)(e) ankor lafen sa paragraph nou oule tir ‘trader’ e li azout lir ‘supplier’ pou ‘condition whose realisation depends solely on the will of the supplier.’ E apre sa, son numbering i reste parey sa.
Nou pou desann i vin (7)(g) ki konmans avek ‘requiring a consumer’ lo premye laliny la nou pe koze, nou pou azout apre ‘his or her.’ Savedir i pou vin ‘requiring a consumer who fails to fulfil his or her - dan sa menm obligation’ paragraf trwazyenm laliny ki konmans avek disproportionately nou pou azout mo ‘compared.

Pou li lir ‘disproportionately high compared to the value of the 125 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 goods or services purchased or hired.
‘ Lot paragraf i swiv (h) determining the compensation.

Dezyenm laliny ankor apre ‘his’ nou pou azout ‘or he’r e a lafen ankor apre ‘his or hers’; nou pou azoute.

I kler so far?

Nou kontinyen Mr Chair, nou pou al dan paragraf (7) (k).

Dernyen lo paz 136.

Dan dernyen laliny i konmans avek contract apre ‘his’ ankor nou pou azout or her pou li lir ‘contract if the supplier fails to fulfil his or her obligations’.
Nou kontinyen i vin (7) (l) dan dezyenm laliny nou pou tir mo trader e azout ‘supplier’ pou li lir i konmans koumsa ‘the supplier, in connection with any guarantee.’ E dan laliny ki swiv trwazyenm laliny ki konmans avek warranty given, apre ‘his’ nou pou azout ‘or her obligation.
‘ Nou kontinyen (7) (m) dan premye laliny zot ava vwar I termin avek mo ‘he’ so nou pou azout ‘or she’ pou li vin ‘to terms with which he or she had no real opportunity.’ Lot sanzman i ava vin dan paragraf (7) (p) ki konmans avek ‘providing for the price of goods.’ laliny ki konmans avek ‘of delivery by the supplier or allowing’, nou Dan dezyenm oule azout ‘the supplier’ e retir mo ‘him.’ swiv Lot paragraf ki savedir (7) (q) ki konmans avek causing the price.
A lafen nou oule tir sa mo ‘trader’ e azout sa ‘supplier.’ Savedir dan dezyenm laliny pou lir ‘only on the will of the supplier.’ Nou kontinyen dan (7) (t) ki konmans avek’ limiting or eliminating.’ Dan dezyenm laliny apre ‘his’ nou oule azout ‘or her agents or employees.’ E finalman lo paz 137 dan (7) (u) ki konmans avek obliging the consumer to fulfil apre ‘his’ nou azout ‘or her.’ E a lafen apre ‘his’ nou azout ‘or hers.’ Nou kontinyen i vin (7) (v) savedir lo paz 138 premye paragraf anler dan premye laliny apre ‘his’ nou pou azout ‘or her rights and obligations.’ E a lafen nou pou azout the supplie’s obligations; savedir I pou lir dernyen laliny ‘to serve suppliers reduce to obligations.’ ‘the fraz Lot paragraf i vin (7) (w) e premye mo nou oule azout ‘reducing’ avan sa the ‘guarantees’ or ‘warranties.’ lot Apre nou pou vin paragraf ki vin (7)(x) e dan dernyen laliny ki konmans avek ‘depends only on the will of the supplier’ nou pou tir ‘trader’ pou azout ‘supplier’ pou li lir 126 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 ‘depends only on the will of the supplier.’ Lot paragraf ki pou annan sanzman i pou vin (7)(z) ki konmans avek ‘excluding or limiting the legal liability.’ MR SPEAKER Eskiz mwan eski mon kapab soz ou?
Dan versyon ki mwan mon pe gete kekfwa i annan en pti diferans.

Mon vwar de (w) mon vwar (v) (w) (w) de fwa.

Eski sa in rektifye?

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Wi akoz versyon ki mwan i mon annan Mr Chair renumbered.

MR SPEAKER demann panel pou gid nou la en pti kou, eski i pa osi dan (l) kot letan nou pe koz his or her obligation.
MR SPEAKER Wi HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Obligations dan ‘s’ konmsi akoz pe lefe ki nou’n swiv anba in terms of ‘s’, mon pe zis demande si nou pa met en ‘s.’ i pa zis en obligasyon i plizyer obligasyon.

So- MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Ok si sa in ganny rektifye byen.

Onorab Henrie.

Ok am sorry thank you.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE HON GERVAIS HENRIE Panel i ok?

MR SPEAKER Yes.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Panel pe swiv.

MR SPEAKER Sorry Onorab Andre.

HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Mersi Mr Chair.


Mr Chair par lefe ki (v) nou koz suppliers obligation.

Eski i pa mon pou Nou kontinyen Mr Chair.

Savedir nou’n ariv lo (z) ki konmans avek excluding or limiting.

Dan sa premye laliny apre supplier nou pou tir or supplier.

Savedir i ava lir excluding or limiting the legal liability of a supplier in the event.

Nou lo (7) (z) yes.

Apre (z) prezan son numbering i pou vin son paragraf ki swiv zis apre i pou (a)(a) sa lot i pou (b)(b) lot i pou (c)(c) lot i pou (d)(d).
Savedir zis apre lo paragraf I pou number konman (z) 127 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 (a)(a) konmans avek authorising the supplier.

Nou pe tir dan premye Dan ‘or supplier.’ laliny trwazyenm laliny ankor apre supplier nou pou ‘or supplier.’ Dan senkyenm laliny ‘nou pou tir apre Apre ankor ‘or ‘himself herself.’ ‘nou pou azout ‘or supplier.’ ‘supplier tir So i pou lir where it is the supplier himself or herself pou dissolve the contract.

MR SPEAKER Yes pause please.


Wi Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES A very quick one Mr Chair dan sanmenm sa clause ki lo serten nou screen i (z) lo serten i (a)(a), dan enn de trwa kat katriyenm laliny not yet supply by him i annan en ‘or her’ ki manke la silvouple, mon pe propoze ki nou insert.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Wi nou’n fini dir.
Savedir dna sa laliny ki konmans avek ‘retain for services not yet supplied by him.’ I pou vin ‘or her where it is the supplier.’ Nou tir ‘or the sums paid supplier himself or herself who dissolves the contract.’ Prezan lot paragraf ki swiv i ganny numbered konman (b)(b) e dan premye laliny apre ‘supplier’ nou retir ‘or supplier.’ Lot paragraf ki swiv i pou ganny numbered konman (cc), e lot ki swiv i (dd) e i dernyen Mr Chair ki nou pou annan en proposed amendment lo la.
Dan dernyen laliny ki konmans avek available to him nou pou azout or her or imposing on him.

Nou pou azout’ or her a burden of proof which…’ Sa ti dernyen apre en long lazournen.

Mersi (APPLAUSE) MR SPEAKER Amen.

Okenn bon avan nou pran vot, mon ava zis verifye napa okenn lot verifikasyon oubyen sanzman ki pe ganny propoze.

Good thank you.

Me dan sa ka nou kapab repas dan Staz Lasanble pou vot lo Third Reading.

E mon ava demann LGB pou prezant Mosyon pou Third Reading.
HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker anba order 76 (1) mon move ki the Fair Trading Bill 2022 as magnificently amended 128 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 i ganny lir en Trwazyenm Fwa.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Segonnman silvouple, Onorab Arissol.

HON SANDY ARISSOL Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonswar lekout.

tou dimoun ki a Mosyon i ganny segonde Me Speaker.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Nou ava vot lo Bill Third Reading, Manm ki an faver lev lanmen silvouple?

Thank you.
Thank you.

Okenn Manm ki kont?

Thank you.

Lo please lo Formal Third Reading of the Fair Trading Bill 2022 as amended 31 Manm in vot yes - 0 - No, e 0 abstansyon.

Alor mon an plezir anonse ki Bill in pase lo Third Reading e Madanm Clerk i ava kapab fer Formal Third Reading.

MADAM CLERK Mersi Mr Speaker.

This Act may be cited as the Fair Trading Act 2022 and shall come into operation on such day as the President may, by notice in the Mersi Mr Gazette appoint.

Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.


Donk Bill in approve par Lasanble.

Mon ava remersye bann Manm pou zot kontribisyon e zot long travay lo sa Bill.

E byensir mon ava remersye panel ki zot in pas en zournen edmi avek nou pou konplet sa travay.

Mon ava swet tou dimoun bonn kontinyasyon lasemenn e Lasanble i ava adjourn ziska Mardi prosen 9er.

Adjourn.

(ADJOURNMENT) 129 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 25th May, 2022 130