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Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF SEYCHELLES Friday 02nd December, 2022 The Assembly met at 9am National Anthem Moment of Reflection Mr Speaker in the Chair FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE UNIT MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Mersi tou Manm Onorab, nou zofisye Lasanble, nou piblik ki avek nou - byenveni pou nou travay ozordi.

Nou a konmans direkteman avek kontinyasyon committee work lo Bidze.

Madanm raporter ou ava apel delegasyon e nou a pas dan Staz Komite.
Mersi byenveni Minis Finans, Plan Nasyonal e Komers Mr Naadir Hassan.

E son bann koleg dan Minister Finans Mr Patrick Payet Sekreter Deta.

Madanm Astride Tamatave Comptroller General.

E lo kote Financial Intelligence Unit ki nou pe tret son Bidze ozordi, Mr Richard Rampal son CEO.

Madanm Debra Port-Louis Deputy CEO e Ms Wilna Azemia Finance Manager.

Mersi zot tou davans pou zot partisipasyon.

Nou a trouv Bidze Financial Intelligence Unit lo paz 205 ziska 211 e i pou en total R25milyon 857mil.
Minis nou a konmans avek lentrodiksyon lo sa Bidze.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Chairman, Dirizan Lopozisyon, Dirizan Zafer Gouvernman, tou bann Manm Onorab e tou dimoun a lekout bonzour.

Unit lentelizans FIU kree anba Lalwa lalit kont blansisaz larzan finansman terorizm i annan pou manda prensipal, resevwar e analiz rapor lo bann tranzaksyon sispe ki ganny raporte par bann reporting entities.
1 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 E pou travay an etrwat kolaborasyon avek bann diferan lotorite ki ranforsi Lalwa, pou asiste dan deteksyon e prosekisyon ki relye avek blansisaz larzan e finansman terorizm.

FIU i osi annan manda pou siperviz en antite koni konman en designated non- financial business and professions.
E administre Seychelles Beneficial Ownership database kot bann lenformasyon beneficial owners bann antite e laranzman legal ki ganny formen isi Sesel, i ganny mentenir.

Mr Chairman Bidze ki’n ganny propoze pou lannen 2023 i R25.8milyon - sa i fer en logmantasyon R6.7milyon ki reprezant en poursantaz 35poursan konpare ek lannen 2022, ki ti R19.064milyon.

Dan sa Bidze R15.7milyon pou ganny plase anba saler pou tou le de progranm.

E R10.1milyon i pou al pou goods and services - ankor pou tou le de progranm.
Enn bann egzizans pli fondamantal bann standar enternasyonal an se ki konsern lalit kont blansisaz larzan e finansman terorizm, se ki sak pei i idantifye e konpran son bann risk e vilnerabilite.

Pandan lannen 2022 nou konsantre bokou lo la e an se moman pei pe travay pou finaliz son national risk assessment.

An kolaborasyon avek bann lezot partner, nou’n reisi etabli e konpran risk ki egziste dan sekter asset vertyel e bann antite ki pe ofer sa servis.
Nou’n konklir ki risk asosye avek sa sekter i o e sa i fer li neseser pou bann desizyon ganny pran o nivo Polisi, pou ki en kad regilatwar apropriye pou sa sekter, i ganny met an plas.

Nou’n osi konmans letid pou determin risk ki asosye avek bann lorganizasyon non-profitab e sa i enkli bann groupman relizyez, spor, artizanal, eksetera.

E sa legzersis pou kontinyen lannen prosenn.


An sa ki konsern nou bann app prensipal pou resevwar e analiz bann rapor lo tranzaksyon sispe ki ganny raporte par bann reporting entities pou 2022, nou’n eksperyans en logmantasyon dan lakantite rapor.

E plis kolaborasyon avek bann Law Enforcement Agency.

Pou pli byen konpran ki mannyer FIU i pli byen siport bann Law Enforcement Agency e ogmant efikasite pou konbat blansisaz larzan, an 2022 staff in osi ganny plase dan sa bann Lazans.
FIU in osi travay dan plizyer rapor pou pli byen konpran tandans e patern kriminel e sa in ganny partaze avek bann Lazans apropriye.

2 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Mr Chair direksyon FIU ansanm avek bann staff, i determinen - bann staff determinen i prevwar ki an 2023, FIU pou konsantre son resours dan rann pli for bann sistenm e kontrol larzan sal antre dan nou sistenm finansyel.
E pou ankouraz partisipan dan sa sistenm, pou azir konman gardyen prensipal ki permet lentere pei pou ganny prezerve kont blansisaz larzan e finansman terorizm, ki kapab redwir konfyans dan nou sistenm finansyel, atraver lenplimantasyon dan plan sipervizyon and enforcement.

An 2023 nou pou konmans kosyonn e sanksyonn bann antite kan i apropriye, pou fer sir ki i annan konformite avek Lalwa.
Amelyorasyon dan nou kad beneficial owners, pou asire ki nou pe anmas lenformasyon kredib; Amelyorasyon dan nou kapabilite lentelizans e nou partenarya ki nou kree avek sekter prive pou nou soutenir lenformasyon.

Ranforsi nou rapor avek nou bann partner lokal e enternasyonal avek ki nou esanz lenformasyon.

Ek bann kriminel ki pe vin pli inovativ FIU i osi pe toultan bezwen met resours dan teknolozi, e devlop fason inovativ pou resevwar e analiz lenformasyon.
E dan devlopman nou resours imen ki reste pilye nou lorganizasyon.

Mr Chairman avek sa prezantasyon mon pou demann sipor Lasanble Nasyonal pou Bidze FIU.

E mon met mon a dispozisyon pou reponn okenn kestyon adisyonnel konsernan Bidze FIU.

Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Minis.

Nou a pas lo kestyon bann Manm Onorab Aglae i a konmanse.

HON EGBERT AGLAE Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour Minis e Direkter FIU ek panel.

Mon le met latansyon lo progranm 2 FIU kot zot core function.
I annan en ‘other allowances’ mon annan en pti logmantasyon dan lekspektasyon.

An vi ki pou annan sa bann konsolidasyon ki Minis ti anonse dan Bidze - e an menm tan mon pe war en logmantasyon apepre R400mil zis dan other allowances’’ mon ti a kontan ganny en leksplikasyon?
Apre dezyenm, zot manda e ki Minis in site osi, petet mon ti a kontan konnen petet ki bann retonbe - depi ler ti annan sa 3 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 sanzman dan Lalwa kot FIU - ki bann retonbe ki petet pa neseserman ki zot bezwen al dan detay bann ka ok; - Akoz enn zot travay se pou osi rekiper bann larzan.

So ki bann retonbe mon ti a kontan ki FIU pe fer, ki dan lepase ki’n annan en kantite kritik anver sa lenstitisyon li menm li?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.


Minis ou a reponn oubyen diriz panel.

Yes Direkter CEO.

CEO RICHARD RAMPAL Bonzour Mr Speaker Mr Chairman.

Bonzour tou Manm a lekout.

Mersi Onorab pou kestyon.

Petet mon a pran dezyenm kestyon e mon a les Mrs Azemia pran premye kestyon.

Si mon’n konpran byen in terms of like ki FIU nou pe, nou pe war an se moman, progre ki FIU pe war an se moman.
Lo kote FIU premyerman, i bann keksoz ki nou pe war i ase sansib, so mon pou kit li ase zeneral, pou laspe sekirite, me kwa ki enportan pou sorti nou pe still resevwar bann gran logmantasyon dan bann reporting ki ganny fer by bann reporting entity.

E an gro ki nou kapab montre nou war ki dan konteks domestik bann disclosures ki ganny fer i relye avek drog, ki nou tou nou konnen.

Nou pe war i osi i annan laspe kot i annan frod dan nou sistenm.

E nou pe war i annan, i annan bokou scams.


Scams nou, nou pe war par rapor to nou bann citizen.

Ki i annan bann diferan model - i annan bann diferan striktir ki ganny servi pou defraud and scam nou bann rezidans.

Petet lo sa pwen osi, mon ti ava fer rapel tou, tou manm piblik ki a lekout, pou zot espesyalman dan sa peryod kot nou ete finisyon lannen, pou zot et vreman vizilan.

Akoz trwa kar di-tan i bann Scheme ki met dan plas, ki montre ou en gran retour lo la.
E nou war ki i annan bokou, bokou bann citizen despite kot nou fer serten antretyen avek manm piblik, ki vin kot nou, zot montre serten konsern lo serten potential investment.

Me still zot go ahead pou zot met zot lekor angaze dan sa bann aktivite.

So parey mon pe dir again sa romance scam i enn bann area ki nou pe war i annan bokou aktivite pe arive on the ground.

E mon pa asire si mon’n kouver ase laspe ou kestyon.

Petet mon ava pas ou premye kestyon avek Mrs Azemia.

Mersi.
Mersi.

4 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Madanm?

FINANCE MANAGER WILNA AZEMIA Bonzour tou Onorab.

Mersi pou ou kestyon Onorab.

Pou sa logmantasyon ki ou pe regarde anba progranm 2, i pou recruitment.

Nou’n ganny aprouve trwa recruitment pou lannen prosenn.

Sa i en strategic analysist avek de analis pou VAPS ki nou’n ganny aprouve.

MR SPEAKER Yes CEO ou a kapab kontinyen?

CEO RICHARD RAMPAL Mersi Mr Chair.


Zis pou azoute lo la lo, lo sa de analis ki nou pe koze parey in fer resorti dan speech Minis - virtual asset Sesel i en hub vreman aktiv lo kote virtual asset e i annan en risk assessment ki’n ganny fer isi Sesel.

Sa risk assessment in ganny aprouve par Cabinet of Ministers e the next step i ki the policy papers needs to be worked on.

Me lo nou kote FIU despite nou pa ankor ganny kad legal, i enportan ki nou bezwen fer serten tranzaksyon lo la.
Nou’n, nou’n met propozisyon pou nou ganny de analis ki pou spesyalize lo virtual asset.

Zot kapab apresye ki virtual asset i en keksoz bokou pli teknikal ankor.

E alor nou met analis pou siport nou.

Me neanmwen kantmenm nou pa ankor ganny sa bann dimoun, internally nou pe fer en ta capacity building - en ta training.

E menm i annan serten cases ki nou, nou pe take onboard ki nou pe pursue lo sa laspe.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Wi nou a pran-?

Yes nou a pran ou pwen siplemanter Onorab.


HON EGBERT AGLAE Mersi pou larepons.

Lefe ki nou pe bouz ver en monn global digital ok?

E cybercrime i en keksoz ki ozordi i lenkyetid bokou dimoun.

E vi ki sekter finansyel i enn bann target ladan petet mon ti a kontan ki rol petet ki FIU pou zwe avek bann lezot antite?

Akoz ou’n nonmen poudir ou fer bokou rapor.

5 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Me selman i annan sa laspe lenvestigasyon osi ki enportan.
So how in-depth ki zot ale avek bann lezot departman pou investigate, pou get bann lorizinalite sa bann cybercrime ki bokou dimoun ozordi pe perdi larzan parey Sesel pe arive?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Yes CEO.

Mon pas laparol avek CEO Minis, a mwen ki ou lev ou lanmen?

Mersi.

CEO RICHARD RAMPAL Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.


Lo kote cybercrime nou, nou konman FIU, nou osi tou nou pe build kapasite atraver - parey mon’n dir lo kote mon’n dir virtual asset, nou pe build capacity, pou nou kapab pli equip dan nou lekor, pou nou kapab fer bann analiz.

Me selman i pa -.

Dan sa value chain, i pa zis en konponan FIU efektiv, me selman ou bann lezot partner pa efektiv.

Nou rekonnet ki i annan serten limitasyon dan serten lezot Lazans.
E alor ki nou pe ankouraze at an national level nou, nou pe pran plis en lapros task force kot instead of FIU i fer son bout, i pas li kot en law enforcement, apre i go through prosekisyon, nou come together nou formil en task force;- Ki prezan ki annan plis leksperyans, plis ekspertiz, i kapab drive en pe sa bann diferan linisyativ.

Sa i pa pirman zis pou bann cybercrime.

Me en pe lo bann lezot laspe ki ase konpleks lo bann prodwir ki konpleks dan nou sistenm finansyel.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.


Wi Minis?

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Onorab zis mon ti a kontan azout lo sa ki FIU in dir basically lo kote cybercrime i pa en issue ki enpakte zis FIU.

FIU i annan en konponan ki i zwe ladan, me i nou pe met en lapros nasyonal lo cybercrimes.

I annan diferan linisyativ ki pe konmanse lo en national level.

DICT, Ministry of Internal Affairs e bann lezot stakeholders pou get cybercrimes konpreansivman.

So FIU i zwe zis en rol ladan.


I en stakeholder dan sa lager kont cybercrimes.

Me rest assured i annan louvraz ki pe ganny fer nasyonalman lo la.

Mersi.

6 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Nou a pran kestyon lot Manm.

Onorab Vidot?

HON AUDREY VIDOT Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour Minis ek ou delegasyon, tou Manm Onorab e tou dimoun ki a lekout.
Mon kestyon pou panel, anba zot Bidze anba sa konponan ki konsern monitoring bann aksyon finansyel - e la mon pou vin spesifikman lo bann money changers, eski zot in kapab, eski zot in kapab dir nou si zot in kapab track oubyen swiv bann tranzaksyon, ki relye ek bann money changers?
E mon pe regard dan zot pou sa lannen 2023, zot annan en Bidze R25milyon 857mil, eski sa konponan pou permet zot kapab direkteman etidye bann risk, oubyen pou zot kapab dir nou, petet konbyen zot ki zot konbyen zot anvizaze depanse pou fer sa legzersis, kot i konsern monitor bann tranzaksyon bann money changers?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

CEO?

CEO RICHARD RAMPAL Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou kestyon.


Lo kote money changers i zot ganny, zot ganny groupe ansanm avek bann labank, an term lo nou formil ki nou servi pou nou monitor zot, right?

So lo zot laspe menm, menm eleman ki labank i annan in terms of lesanz larzan or even bann tranzaksyon ki ganny fer pou anvoy an deor bann transfer i ganny fer, lo la i annan bann level of aktivite ki nou fer, nou.

Nou fer what we call strategic analysis e i part of operational analysis - right?
E Operational analysis i vin plizoumwen rapor tou bann ka, kot nou swiv tou bann aktivite, tou bann tranzaksyon ki ganny fer par endividi or group of endividi.

As opposed to strategic analysis nou war in terms of like ki bann flow of tranzaksyon ki ale and so on and so forth.

Dan nou Bidze wi en konponan of it i ganny allocate pou sa bann aktivite.

Me kwa ki enportan pou fer resorti, i ki pou ou fer li in the absence of IT platform, i preski en aktivite enposib.
Se pou sa rezon ki dan nou Bidze nou annan souskripsyon ki nou annan avek GO ML - right?

Sa i pou ki bann antite, zot fer zot reporting lo sa platform.

E premyerman keksoz ki i fer i netway 7 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 lamazorite bann - I netway tou bann data ki antre kot FIU e i kapab siport nou osi tou, pou nou kapab fer serten analysis.

Ler mon pe koze la platform i pa ankor an plenn mars - nou pe servi li de lezot fonksyon osi - de lezot fonksyon ase prensipal.
Me premye quarter 2023, nou pou espekte ki platform i pe pare pou nou efektiv lo sa laspe.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Oule en klarifikasyon Onorab?

HON AUDREY VIDOT Yes en pti klarifikasyon Mr Chair.

Eski zot - mon zot in dir nou wi zot pe monitor li parey labank.

Me selman zot pa’n, zot pa’n detay li dan Bidze poudir nou spesifikman, konmsi ki sa konponan larzan ki zot pe fer sa travay pou montre sa breakdown – en?
Pou montre klerman bann risk ki petet atraver bann tranzaksyon ki zot pe monitor anver money changers?

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

CEO ou kapab klarifye.

CEO RICHARD RAMPAL Zis pou klarifye osi.

Mersi Mr Chair.

Zis pou klarifye lo kote FIU when it comes to bureau de change, zot en reporting entity ki zot bezwen raport de keksoz;- suspicious transaction avek nou, apre what we call bann threshold report – right?
Me an term pou monitor zot par rapor to AMLCFT Act, sa i ganny i responsabilite Labank Santral - zot ki ensure compliance with the AML Act for that purpose.

Me nou, nou antre plis in terms of bann tranzaksyon zot, zot pe fer.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Mondon.

HON TERENCE MONDON Mersi Mr Chairman.

Bonzour Minis avek ou delegasyon.

Mon premye kestyon i relye avek sa nouvo landscape krim finansyel, ki Minis in koz lo la.
E risk ki i koze e osi pou nou pei, kot bann kriminel pe kontinyen servi bann fason pli sofistike, pou vol larzan oubyen vol lenformasyon personnel.

8 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Eski Bidze i fer ase provizyon pou devlop kapasite neseser, pou lalit kont kriminel krim finansyel?

E dan zot progranm awareness, eski ou kapab dir bann leaders bann lenstitisyon finansyel e politik zot konpran risk ki asosye avek sa bann tranzaksyon?
E ki nivo risk ki asosye avek crypto currency - an vi ki sa currency i donn users, use bann users i reste anonim?

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

CEO?

CEO RICHARD RAMPAL Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Lo kote awareness i annan diferan kalite eleman.

I annan awareness lo AML/CFT apre i annan awareness lo Beneficial Ownership Act, right?

Lo kote awareness lo AML/CFT, sa i par rapor to nou reporting entities.
la nou pe koz nou bann labank, nou pe koz lo bureau de change - parey pe fer resorti pli boner.

Nou pe koz lo dan nou sekter domestik, nou pe koz lawyers, real estate dealers, car dealership, right?

FIU an kolaborasyon an kolaborasyon avek sectoral supervisor - Central Bank avek FSA, nou’n fer bokou awareness.

I annan osi bann awareness ki’n ganny fer avek bann lasistans bann eksper sorti deor.

Kot nou’n kree sa platform of konversasyon avek nou bann reporting entities.
Zot annan zot bann compliance officers ki zot apwente.

So zot ase equipped pou zot kapab deal avek sa nivo krim ki zot bann antite i fer fas avek.

Ok?

Me selman parey nou kapab fer konpran osi tou, i risk i diferan nivo pandan ki sekter ki ou pe angaze.

Ki petet sa i ava anmenn nou lo sa laspe crypto fer ki ou’n aborde.

Lo kote crypto konman en pei, nou pe pran bokou linisyativ.

Nou pe engage avek osi avek bokou foreign partners, pou nou kapab build kapasite.
E mon pa poudir ou sa i en laspe ki nou pou kapab ahead of the game.

Akoz lo kote crypto, nou’n fer diskisyon ozordi.

Ler nou, nou pe fer diskisyon keksoz pe bouze, nouvo teknolozi pe antre - e nouvo fason fer.

I annan menm cases ki nou, nou’n travay avek expert dan sa domenn - mon pe koz eksper mondyal - kot ler nou pe anmenn cases kot nou pe share, this is where we bound ideas - nou pe 9 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 share.
Zot osi zot pe war ki defayans i annan dan nou understanding of the subject matter.

Me selman kwa ki enportan - i ki i annan standar – sa standar enternasyonal ki’n fini bouz devan e ki’n fini konmans mete, ki pei i bezwen annan, par rapor to virtual asset, ki nou konman en pei nou bezwen comply avek ki nou fer Lezislasyon.

E parey mon’n fer resorti nou en pei nou, nou’n fer en risk assessment, ki it was well informed.
Akoz mon dir ou it’s well informed - lo kote FIU, kontribisyon prensipal ki nou’n kapab donnen dan sa aktivite, i ki despite sa bann aktivite pa ganny regulated here in Seychelles, nou’n annan en ta bann platform ki volonterman ki anrezistre isi Sesel, anba Lalwa Enternasyonal Biznes - Lakonpannyen Biznes.

Zot volonterman anvoy bokou disclosure kot nou.

So nou prezan resevwar bokou insight dan kwa ki pe arive lo kote virtual asset here in Seychelles.
E dezyenm konponan atraver lesanz lenformasyon - parey nou’n montre dan nou bann - dan nou statistik, i montre ki nou’n resevwar nou 294 request from foreign FIUs.

Ki arive zot, zot pli pres avek sa bann antite ki pe operate e nou annan serten pei ki vreman avanse.

Zot in menm fini ouver zot laport pou bann dimoun ki pe ganny defrauded bann dimoun ki pe ganny afekte par virtual asset.

Kot zot ale zot raport sa laba.

E Sesel nou resevwar bokou request kot nou, nou provide sipor.
E kot menm i annan lenstans nou’n kapab servi nou seksyon 27 anba nou AML Act pou nou exercise freezing lo wallet.

E i pa zis en matter freezing lo wallet.

What is next petet ou kestyon?

Menm ler nou pe fer sa bann freezing, nou pe angaz avek CIU.

Nou pe sey build en model case pou nou regarde ki ler nou, nou pe kapab - ler nou pou regulate in terms of what is the minimum that can be - that should be dan nou Lezislasyon, pou nou kapab effectively konbat sa bann krim.
Mon panse petet mon’n kouver tou kestyon.

MR SPEAKER Thank you CEO.

Thank you.

Nou a move on - Onorab Bistoquet?

HON ROSIE BISTOQUET Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Minis avek ou delegasyon.

E bonzour tou bann Onorab e bann dimoun ki pe ekoute.

Minis mon’n regard anba ou challenges ki zot annan anba 10 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 ‘absence of case management ‘ki pe fer problenm dan - kot i anpes zot pou rekiper data pou siport zot analiz finansyel.
Prezan pou piblik konnen en pti pe dir nou ki stratezi ki febles ki sa i anmennen dan zot sistenm finansyel?

Apre ki bann stratezi ki zot pe met an aplikasyon, pou asire ki petet lannen prosen keksoz i mars pli byen?

Apre Onorab in koz en pti pe lo allowance, kot mon ti anvi konnen anba zot PSC allowance P2 - zot PSC allowance in ogmante, mon demande konbyen staff zot annan?

Eski laplipar mazorite zot staff i lo PSC contract?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

CEO.

CEO RICHARD RAMPAL Mersi Mr Chair.


Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

Lo kote - mon a pran ou dezyenm kestyon, lo laspe konbyen staff nou annan?

Nou annan 43 staff an se moman.

E bann staff ki nou, nou’n met zot dan lo kontra, i bann Senior staff.

La mon pe koz ou bann Manager onward.

Dan nou striktir nou annan nou Manager, nou annan nou Head of Division e apre Deputy CEO avek CEO itself.

Apard sa bann lezot staff ki donn sipor zot, zot normal continuous employment.
Lo laspe case management son main lenportans osi tou i pa zis pirman pou FIU.

I pou ed nou kolekte statistik osi tou pou pei nasyonal lo kote AML/CFT.

Si ou regard anba AML/CFT Act, FIU i osi responsab pou li kolekte bann statistik.

So i vin en full flow kot i konmans bann disclosures ki ganny fer lo kote kot nou.

Analysis ki nou, nou fer kot i ganny anvoye kot Law Enforcement Authorities.

Bann investigation ki ganny fer, kot i ale prosekisyon up to the pwen finisyon.
So en case management is very important pou nou FIU, me dan nou Bidze osi tou, nou pe fer en demars - an deor nou Bidze rather - nou pe fer demars osi tou nou annan konversasyon ase avanse avek bann partner etranze, pou nou kapab gete si nou kapab offload en serten keksoz presyon lo sa ki nou gannyen dan nou Bidze.

So mon pe gete si nou kapab ganny en case management rod bann partner ki nou travay avek.

E mon kapab ganny case management atraver partner ki nou travay avek.
E mon kapab dir ki diskisyon i ase avanse lo sa laspe.

Mersi.

11 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Wi ou bezwen klarifikasyon?

HON ROSIE BISTOQUET Wi zis en pti klarifikasyon lo staffing menm.

Mon remarke sirtou letan ou pe koz lo staff ou pa’n koz lo bann zenn ganny atrakte pou antre dan sa profesyon, swa dan sistenm.

Sirtou bann economist, akoz mon pe get anba ou Bidze, lannen pase ou ti napa student allowance.

E mon war i annan en pti bout ki ou’n mete.


Eski zot pe ankouraze zenn sirtou bann economist pou pran sa travay?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

CEO klarifye?

CEO RICHARD RAMPAL Mersi pou ou kestyon.

Lo kote retain, retainership avek atrakte - mon krwar petet bokou lezot antite osi - spesyalman bann antite Minister Finans, ler zot in fer prezantasyon, ki sa i remain en issue e nou FIU nou, nou pa’n ganny eparnye par sa.

Me nou bezwen travay avek resours ki nou, nou’n gannyen.
Lo sa konponan allowance nou enkli - sa allowance ti par bann eksper ki pou antre sa.

An menm tan ki nou pe bouze avek digitization, i enportan ki nou pa ganny zis en platform an plas.

Kwa ki nou met dan sa platform ki pli enportan.

Tou nou bann historical data ki nou annan konman en lorganizasyon, sa i bezwen ganny transfer dan platform.

E sa bann junior staff ki nou anvi pran on a part time basis, i pou donn serten lasistans lo la.

Me selman we are well - well mindful ki i annan laspe sensitivity.
So pa nenport ki kalite dimoun ki pou ganny pran.

So despite nou anvi ede dan devlop siport nou zenes, me selman i annan prosedir ki pou bezwen ganny fer, pou protez lentegrite ek lenformasyon osi tou.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi CEO.

Onorab Loze?

HON JOHAN LOZE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker Direkter in mansyonnen lo kote bureau change, zot plito responsab pou bann 12 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 transactions.
Se zisteman lo kote transactions, ki mon en pe konsernen.

Zot ti deza put out en rapor zot, ki ti donn en sif ase enorm lo bann outflows ki sorti dan bann bureau change.

E at the time zot ti mansyonnen ki zot pe al fer en lenvestigasyon, lo sa bann tranzaksyon.

Sa ki mon ti a kontan konnen ozordi, eski zot in annan ase sipor atraver Bidze, pou zot fer e konplet sa lenvestigasyon?

Eski zot in nobou pin down kisisa sa bann out flows - si i remitans, ouswa i serten lezot keksoz ki pe pase?
Akoz nou isi dan Lasanble, whether i Minis ki vini, ouswa Labank Santral ki vini zot eksplik nou bann presyon ki annan lo deviz etranzer dan pei.

E sa bann outflows - sa gro sonm ki ti dan zot rapor la, i met en kantite presyon lo sistenm.

Apre mon annan en comment - nou mon pa konnen si nou tant pou penn en portre ki zeneralman i negativ lo crypto currency isi.

Nou toultan pe - tou nou kestyon i al ver negativ.

Mon war ou pe riye - mon konnen nou’n fer sa konversasyon.
We’ve been having this conversation for years.

Ou konnen ozordi en BNB i desann $388 ozordi.

Si en Seselwa, i ale i pran li 20mil - R100mil, R200mil i met dan BNB i met ek zis en lentansyon li.

Akoz i konnen poudir BNB is projected to go up to $500mil.

Sel lentansyon ki pou annan, i pou annan loportinite fer en arbitrage la e fer en pe profi.

So i annan sa kote osi ki petet nou pa koz lo la - napa zis kote scamming.
Apre lo kote proteksyon krim, eski par azar zot pa’n ganny sans detekte si en, en lot Lazans enforcement Sesel in partisip dan okenn aktivite blansisaz larzan resaman?

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

CEO?

CEO RICHARD RAMPAL Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi pou kestyon.

Zis mon ava klarifye lo sa dernyen sonm ki nou ti prezant devan zot lo bureau de change;- parey nou ti dir zot ki lenformasyon ki nou resevwar i lenformasyon ki ti ase raw.
E menm bann bureau de change i ti zot premye lenstans ki zot, zot ti pe fer reporting.

So sif ki ti vreman o - i ti en sif both bann tranzaksyon incoming ek outgoing kot bann bureau de change.

13 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 So zis pou fer li kler - wi i ti en pe misleading lafason ki i ti prezante dan sa rapor oparavan.

I ti ganny reprezante konman bann outflow tranzaksyon.
Be selman ler nou’n ale nou’n clean up en pe plis data, nou’n war ki i ti enkli both in flow ek out flow.

Lo aktivite bureau de change, zis pou point out, Central Bank i remain the leading regulator, pou ensure zot compliance avek Lalwa AML/CFT.

Me nou, nou antre lo disclosures ki zot fer avek bann threshold reporting.

Ki nou’n fer - aktyelman i annan en rapor ki nou, nou’n travay lo la.

Nou’n fer analysis lo bann data ki nou resevwar avek nou bann bureau de change.

E i pa en rapor piblik.


Nou’n disseminate li to bann antite konsernen spesyalman Central Bank.

Kot sa i pou gid en pe direksyon kot zot, zot sipoze regarde pou zot supervision.

Akoz en laspe prensipal ki nou ti pe war, i ti lo - parey mon’n fer resorti oparavan - i lo quality of lenformasyon.

Prezan kot bokou lenstans nou ti pe war duplication of reporting, kot menm, menm tranzaksyon ki’n ganny fer, i ganny report de a trwa fwa kot FIU.
Me nou in the absence of any mechanism kontrol lo la, nou’n aksepte kwa ki i ti ganny report to us.

So prezan tousala i bann fakter ki fer li mont en pe in terms of like volume of tranzaksyon ki nou ti war.

MR SPEAKER Mersi CEO.

Wi Onorab i annan klarifikasyon ou bezwen?

HON JOHAN LOZE Mr Speaker ti a byen si Direkter ti kapab update nou lo sa nouvo sif pou out flows ki zot in annan apre ki zot in netway zot data.
Apre mon ti pe le en dezyenm ki ti tre senp e kler, eski FIU dan son bann monitoring, in ganny loportinite sans pou detekte si en lot bann Law Enforcement Agency Sesel, in resaman partisip dan okenn aktivite money laundering?

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

CEO wi ou a kapab adrese.

CEO RICHARD RAMPAL Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Nou a kapab fer - mon pou napa sa egzakt figure ek mwan la.
Me definitivman nou a kapab fer li available, pou nou update zot avek en clearer version of bann tranzaksyon lo kote bann biro bureau de change.

14 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 E sa dezyenm kestyon, petet mon pa dan en pozisyon pou donn en reaksyon an piblik lo la.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Mon sipoze Onorab i a konpran sa.

Onorab Cosgrow ou kestyon?

HON WALLACE COSGROW Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour Minis.

Bonzour tim.

Bonzour tou dimoun a lekout.


Mr Chair mon premye kestyon i an relasyon avek zot core functions.

Mon konnen ki FIU over the years in annan bann amannman dan Lalwa.

Si CEO ouswa Minis i kapab dir nou an gro, ozordi ki zot core function, functions?

E ki zot relasyon ozordi zot annan avek bann lezot entity, ki’n pran en pe zot bann fonksyon?
E ki ler ou konpar li avek sa ki zot ti pe fer avan your success rate avek ozordi, zot success rate dan bann diferan ka ki zot deal avek, si ou kapab donn nou en pti konparezon?

Dezyenm Mr Chair, si mon konpran byen CEO, an se ki konsern financial crimes - ozordi FIU i pa neseserman annan sa full kapabilite - kapasite pou deal avek tou bann modalite financial crimes, ki prezant devan zot ozordi.

E ki prezant devan lemonn finansyel ozordi.

So si CEO i kapab donn nou serten presizyon lo la?

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

CEO?

CEO RICHARD RAMPAL Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou kestyon.

Lo kote FIU - parey ou’n fer resorti yes atraver lamannman ki ti ganny fer - nou, nou nepli en hybrid FIU parey nou konnen.

Nou plizoumwen the Center ki resevwar bann rapor.

Nou conduct analysis lo la e nou, nou pass it on to nou to law enforcement.

Mon’n war konman Direkter FIU mon’n war son laspe pozitiv lo la akoz ler mon regard oparavan.
Lenstans ki nou ti annan, ki nou ti annan investigative power osi tou petet nou pa ti antre dan sa spesyalizasyon of nou core fonksyon osi ki nou ti bezwen fer.

I pa vedir si ou en hybrid FIU, ou pa sipoze fer ou laspe core fonksyon - ou sot zis lo investigation.

I annan bokou FIU across the globe, ki remain en hybrid FIU.

Zot annan zot success story e zot osi tou zot annan, annan pwen feb lo sa laspe.
15 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Me lo nou kote, keksoz ki nou kapab dir – ki ti ganny resorti dan nou mutual evaluation, ti fer resorti ki FIU nou weak lo nou kote operational analysis - which is very critical - sa i dealing avek bann cases.

Nou ti aktyelman mon kapab dir nou ti non-existent lo laspe nou strategic analysis.

This is en konponan ki nou pe travay lo la.

Parey mon’n fer sorti - nou pe fer bann rapor, ki nou pe anvoy kot reporting entities.
Depending on natir assessment ki’n ganny fer - nou pe anvoy kot bann competent Authorities.

So lo sa laspe in annan, in annan bokou progre mon kapab dir, anba sa kad legal ki nou pe operate.

Me an se ki konsern partenarya ki nou annan bann lezot antite, i touzour reste en konsern lo partenarya.

Nou konpran ki sak lenstitisyon i annan lot priyorite.

Zot annan zot diferan kontrent.


Me despite sa ki nou lapros, nou pe esey pran an se moman, i ki depandan bann cases ki nou, nou handle, obviously nou bezwen handle en risk-based approach.

E nasyonalman bann lezot antite i bezwen exercise risk-based approach.

So bann lenstans kot nou pe war bann case ki is of higher risk, nou vin ansanm formulate en task force, kot nou bezwen travay en pe lo sa bann cases.

Me mon pa pou - mon pa pou fer krwar ki tou cases i pe ganny travay koumsa.
I pou enposib dan en sistenm kot tou keksoz ou pou vin avek en task force pou travay.

Me i annan en pwen final lo la mon ava dir ki i annan bokou pou fer an term kolaborasyon, ou efikasite lo serten Lazans pou fer sa value chain mars fonksyonn byen.

Si mon a pran dezyenm kestyon lo kote bann financial crime dan en sistenm finansyel - it’s involving everyday.

Nouvo risk ki antre, nouvo teknolozi nouvo fason fer keksoz i antre.

Nou konman FIU, nou esey nou mye.


Parey mon’n dir nou annan nou 43 staff - 43 staff.

Ler nou pou get nou bann staff teknikal i pa bokou, me selman nou esey nou mye pou nou donn bokou exposure nou bann staff.

Bokou training petet parey zot ava war dan nou Bidze, ki nou pe demande pou nou kontinyen sa lannen, fer bann langazman avek bann foreign partners.

Nou rely heavily lo nou bann foreign partners.

Par egzanp nou annan nou en Manm Egmont.


En Manm Egmont i antre dan sa, dan sa lemonn FIUs i en grouping - i en groupman pli prestizye.

16 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 I prestizye dan lesans ki ou ganny ekspertiz; ou ganny access to lenformasyon; ou, ou devlop bann Polisi ki then nou esey transpose li dan nou bann domestical or nou domesticate it.
So atraver bann groupman koumsa, nou ganny bokou training e exposure parey mon pe dir, ki kapab fer nou staff en pti pe pli equipped lo catching up avek the rate of financial grant ki annan dan sistenm.

Selman mon pa pou dir ou ki wi nou kapab handle tou keksoz.

I pou fo pou mwan dir sa.

Me selman on a risk-based approach parey mon’n dir - mon’n fer resorti, nou esey nou mye pou nou kapab keep nou lekor azour avek sa ki pe arive.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Wi klarifikasyon Onorab?


HON WALLACE COSGROW Yes Mr Chair.

Mr Chair en klarifikasyon ki mon ti a kontan gannyen - akoz CEO in koz lo bann referral ki vin kot zot.

So eski FIU i akte zis lo referrals from bann lenstitisyon, ouswa zot - mon konnen zot napa sa investigative power - me selman eski zot al fouye zot menm pou al rod problenm kot problenm i ete?

Konmsi konpran mwan?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

CEO wi?

CEO RICHARD RAMPAL Mersi Onorab.


Nou sours prensipal - nou sours prensipal i bann antite bann reporting entities, right?

Me selman nou ganny partou, right?

Nou ganny partou manm piblik i kapab vini pou zot fer serten disclosure.

Nou ganny atraver nou bann competent Authorities - nou ganny Government Agencies.

Dan nou rapor nou’n detay tou bann sours lenformasyon, nou resevwar from bann Lazans Lentelizans.

E en tool ki nou servi osi tou, open source.


Nou servi bokou open-source e open-source osi tou i donn nou bokou lenformasyon pou nou komans initiate bann keksoz.

E an vi ki nou annan en offshore center here in Seychelles, nou ganny bokou cases osi tou ki ganny refer to us by bann other competent Authorities.

E osi bann Law Enforcement Authorities ki vin kot FIU.
So pou nou pa restrikte despite Lalwa i allow nou pou nou resevwar sa bann - anyway i met dan legasyon lo sa bann reporting entities, 17 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 pou zot fer serten disclosure, me napa any restriksyon lo endividi ki kapab vin kot FIU pou fer serten disclosure.

Nou annan bokou ka petet nou’n resevwar bann disclosure, me selman most of the time i annan en link avek existing case.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi CEO.

Onorab Lemiel?

HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL Mersi Mr Chair.


Bonzour Minis avek ou delegasyon, tou dimoun a lekout.

Mr Rampal bonzour.

FIU zot lorganizasyon i pe toultan rod fason petet pou zot modernize.

Akoz zot konnen poudir dan lemonn antye, diferan krim ki annan pou fer avek sa ki zot kot FIU zot deal avek, i pe evolye.

E an menm tan mon war ki enn zot bann priyorite stratezik, se ki zot ti pe koz lo pwen limero 3, kot zot ti pe mazin pou moderniz en pti pe zot sistenm lenformasyon teknolozi.
Me letan nou get FIU an zeneral apard zot sistenm lenformasyon teknolozi zot le modernize e si zot le vin pli relevan an term detekte or ganny plis bann detay dan zot bann travay ki zot pe fer lo bann krim ki pe pase, be it lo cyber - be it bann lezot money laundering menm ki pe pase; Eski sa Bidze 2023, i pe i pou permet zot fer bann diferan modernizasyon apard lo kote teknolozi?
E si wi i pou annan diferan modernizasyon ki zot le fer kot FIU, ki kalite sa bann modernizasyon ki zot pe mazin fer pou vin pli efektiv e pli relevan?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you Onorab.

CEO.

CEO RICHARD RAMPAL Thank you Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

Mon pa ava tous lo laspe IT - mon krwar ou’n eksplik li ase byen, son relevans dan nou louvraz, me ki mon kapab fer resorti - an se moman nou dan langazman avek de expert ki baze avek nou FIU pou en peryod 6 mwan.
Zot, zot pe ed nou pou nou revwar nou sistenm lo kote core fonksyon an zeneral.

So premye laspe ki zot pe fer, zot pe fer en assessment of tou nou bann prosedir, tou nou bann striktir ki nou annan.

18 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 E nou pe gete ki son relevan, ki son efikasite kote ki nou kapab amelyore, right?

E menm osi tou dan sa, dan sa legzersis, i kapab annan posibilite kot nou kapab war ki nou bezwen reviz nou kad legal osi tou.
Akoz ler nou koz modernizasyon, nou pa kapab zis fer modernizasyon dan labsans nou Lalwa.

Nou bezwen fer sir ki i swiv avek nou Lalwa.

So sa i bann laspe ki nou pe regarde.

I annan bokou aktivite ki pe deroule lo sa, lo sa laspe e menm besides sipor ki nou pe gannyen avek sa de expert, nou annan langazman avek Linyon Eropeen.

Zot pe donn nou sipor lo kote supervision of DNFDPs, lawyers, accountants and the rest.
Lo kote Beneficial Ownership, mon konnen ki zot tou zot in konn bokou fwa lo kote at length dan National Assembly.

Nou pe resevwar osi tou sipor lo sa laspe.

Nou konnen nou annan sa kad legal ki ti ganny aprouve by the House.

Me son lenplimantasyon the more nou go into it nou war kantite practical it is - si i vreman efikas.

So i annan sa laspe ki pe osi ganny regarde e i tou depan ankor lo, lo outcome of it, i kapab lead to serten revizyon dan propozisyon pou revizyon dan Lalwa.
E nou annan osi tou NPO - NPO nou’n diskite ankor dan sa Lasanble.

Nou ankor pe fer risk assessment kot nou pe ganny sipor pou nou asize regarde.

Akoz lo kote NPO i en kad ki vreman sansib.

Nou tou nou konnen ki zot la pou zot ed kominote dan en fason ou en lot.

E the more ki nou met lobligasyon lo zot, nou pa anvi ki zot nou fer zot farous - parey nou dir.

So nou pe regarde tousala ki mannyer nou kapab amelyor keksoz ki nou pe fer.
Akoz i pa en matter zis nou vini standar i dir fer koumsa - nou pran nou enplimant li e nou asize nou sit back nou regarde.

Nou en lekonomi e nou pei ki vreman pti e whatever ki nou, nou adopte, nou bezwen fer sir ki nou adapte to context nou pei.

So part of sa bann transformasyon i vin atraver bann processes ki nou pe fer.

Me selman IT osi tou, i reste en konponan vreman kle ladan.

E dan nou bann Bidze oparavan, nou ti’n fini resevwar sipor bidzeter pou nou annan go AML.
Me selman nou’n repriyoritiz son use, kot nou’n servi li lo kote beneficial ownership e la ki nou pe antre lo laspe core fonksyon, pou nou konmans servi li lo core fonksyon.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi CEO.

Onorab Pillay?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY 19 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Mersi Mr Chairman.

Bonzour CEO, Minis e delegasyon ki sorti kot Minister Finans.

E bonzour koleg Onorab e tou dimoun ki pe ekout nou.
Mr Chairman pandan sa bomaten mon’n ekout CEO, mon bezwen dir poudir FIU i en antite ekstrememan enportan dan konteks protez nou sekter finansyel.

Me selman mon bezwen dir bomaten mon pa antyerman satisfe ek bann larepons ki mon pe gannyen.

E mon konsernen avek serten larepons ki mon pe gannyen.

Akoz mon war poudir pou en Bidze ki nou pe al donn FIU pou 25 ekek milyon Roupi, mon pa pe vreman war kote nou pe al met lanfaz pou nou deal ek sa bann keksoz pase.
Ler mon pe regard ou rapor ki ou’n pibliye pou 2021, mon realize poudir i annan en kantite keksoz ou’n sanze lafason ki ou pe raporte.

Par egzanp Mr Chairman, anba ou Bidze ou annan zis de klasifikasyon.

Ou annan enn;- governance and administration apre en core functions.

Mon ti ava’n espekte ki ou ava annan en breakdown pou bann lezot eleman.

Par egzanp reporting - ki mannyer ou pe met larzan dan reporting?

Ki bann mezir ki ou pe met an plas pou fer reporting pou improve reporting.
Mon pa war ki mannyer ou pe breakdown ou core functions e larzan ki nou pe donnen.

E mon pa pe war si larzan i ase pou ou kapab fer sa.

E les mwan ilistre mon pwen.

Par egzanp lannen pase ou ti donn nou en sif ki sorti kot bann money changers e sa ti vin dan tune of almost R2bilyon.

La ou vini ou dir nou poudir sa sif pa ti korek.

E sa lannen ou pa donn nou okenn sif me sa sif in ganny donnen internally ek bann Lazans.

Pou mwan, mon pa war sa akseptab!


I pa akseptab, akoz mon pa konnen prezan eski ou reporting capacity i up to the standards pou ou kapab investigate sa ki bann money changers pe donn ou.

Akoz mon ti a kontan konnen e pou tou Seselwa si napa currency flags?

Si savedir dimoun pa pe servi - biznes pa pe servi money changers, pou tir larzan dan nou lekonomi e anvoy li aletranze.

Oubyen eski sa i zis remitans?

E lannen pase ler mon ti lir ou rapor ti napa in flow nou ti pe koz lo out flow.
Larzan ki pe sorti Sesel.

So mon premye kestyon;- eski ou annan ase larzan dan sa Bidze pou ou setup en striktir pou fer lenvestigasyon lo bann money changers, pou idantifye whether i annan larzan ki pe kit pei atraver sa bann money changers e i pe al lezot ziridiksyon?

E ki sa bann larzan ki pe kit pei whilst i annan ki kit pei atraver remitans atraver bann transfer normal, i pou annan larzan 20 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 pou bann etidyan, eksetera.
Be mon pa krwar Gouvernman i servi money changers pou etidyan - Gouvernman i servi labank.

So eski ou annan larzan pou ou kapab fer sa e donn nou en rapor lo konbyen - oubyen eski ou kapab dir nou la lo konbyen larzan from out flow ki’n sorti from bann money changers, pandan sa lannen?

Sa i mon premye kestyon.

Prezan mon dezyenm kestyon, ler mon regard bann diferan indicators dan ou rapor, ou annan bann diferan rezon pou reporting kot ou koz adverse media, ou koz lo fraud, money laundering.
Mon war 161 case money laundering.

Ler mon get lalis kriminalite ou koz lo child abuse, ou koz lo dark net market activity, ki ekstrememan danzere pou nou pei, given la kalite ziridiksyon ki nou ete, ou koz lo illegal gambling, money laundering.

I kler ki ou annan sitan diferan landrwa ki ou bezwen fer rapor lo la, me ozordi ou senpleman zis en quasi reporting entity.

So oli-?

Kote nou’n met larzan, pou ou kapab annan kapasite pou fer en proper lenvestigasyon, lo sa bann keksoz ki ou pe raporte?
Akoz mon pa pe war kote ou’n met sa larzan pou fer sa.

Sa i mon dezyenm kestyon?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

CEO?

CEO RICHARD RAMPAL Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou, pou kestyon.

Lo kote dezyenm kestyon lo kote nou’n met larzan - this is where by nou annan sa propozisyon for us to recruit trwa nouvo analis – right?
Sa trwa nouvo analis zot, zot part of nou core fonksyon e espesyalman i annan sa laspe sa enn pou strategic analysis, zot ki - i sa unit ki deal prensipalman avek bann disclosures ki nou, nou resevwar.

Lo kote threshold reporting both in terms of cash avek wire, wire transfer.

This is where nou’n mete.


Me selman en laspe ki nou bezwen fer atansyon osi tou, zis nou pa le zis vini demande pou nou ganny en ta resours right - kan nou pa ankor kapab devlop nou internal capacity pou nou fer sa bann aktivite – right?

Akoz ki mon pa anvi, ler mon vin devan Lasanble ankor, kot mon’n ganny dir mon ganny dis dimoun, me selman ki mon pe fer avek.

Parey mon’n fer resorti oparavan, nou annan nou sa de expert ki anndan avek nou, zot pe travay fortman avek nou.
Enn;- 21 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 zot area of expertise i egzakteman ki ou pe dir lo laspe, pou sa size - fer sans.

So sa disclosure ki nou’n resevwar met bann striktir an plas, gete ki bann diferan analysis ki nou bezwen fer.

Regarde ki son relevans, pou kot nou bezwen disclose to Gouvernman, kot nou bezwen disclose to Labank Santral, kot nou bezwen disclose kot bann lezot antite.

E menm osi tou ki pou lead bann investigation ki FIU nou pe fer.
So an se moman ler nou pe koze, i annan bokou aktivite ki pe ganny fer lo sa laspe analysis ki fer resorti.

E atraver resours bidzeter ki nou, nou pe demande, pou nou ganny sa bann analis ki zot, zot kapab zwenn, pou kapab abzorb sa bann training ki pe gannyen - abzorb sa bann fason fer.

Kot prezan nou ava kapab reprodwir.

Nou ava kapab reprodwir en pe plis bann rapor.


E as we speak right now nou annan trwa rapor ki’n ganny fer without - avan sa bann eksper ki zwenn nou - i annan trwa rapor ki the Strategic Analysis Unit in deza fini release.

Ki parey mon’n fer resorti, in ganny anvoye kot bann Lazans neseser – right?

Me fondamantalman osi tou ler nou’n fer sa analysis, i go back parey ler nou ti fer sa konversasyon kot FPAC - wi mon ava pran sa premye kestyon.
Kot nou ti montre ki i annan en amount signifikan ki pe ganny sorti koman out flow lo kote bureau de change.

Ler nou ti fer sa konversasyon - yes nou ti retournen, nou ti ale nou ti regard tou nou bann disclosures ki ti ganny fer atraver nou.

E ler nou’n war - nou’n remarke ki bann bureau de change ti pe mal raporte lenformasyon kot nou – right?

Zot ti pe donn nou tou lenformasyon konman out flows kan i ti both in flows avek out flow.
Rezon ki nou pa’n fer any referans spesifik dan nou nouvo report, i ki still nou pe ganny serten issue, in terms of quality of data ki pe antre.

Se pou sa rezon ki nou pa’n met li piblikman.

Me selman nou, nou annan sa lenformasyon kot nou, nou kapab fer li be made available.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Wi ou klarifikasyon Onorab?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman mwan, mon pa kapab sanz Polisi Gouvernman aktyel, lo ki mannyer i war ki i le setup son striktir Financial Investigation Unit.
22 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Akoz la pou mwan, ou pa en financial investigation ou en Financial Analysis Unit la.

Ou fer zis analiz ou.

Ou’n koz strategic analysis, ou’n koz lo operational analysis, ou fer zis analiz, ou pa en Investigation Unit.

Me problenm se ki ler mon pe get ou rapor, everything i relate lo fer lenvestigasyon.

Ou ganny rapor ki R2milyon in sorti dan pei, ou bezwen al fer en lenvestigasyon.

Me ou pa fer lenvestigasyon, ou fer analiz.


I dir ou i pa’n donn ou lenformasyon, la nou pa konnen si sa letan larzan in kit pei, lekel ki’n fer larzan kit pei - nou pa pou konnen?

Ki sekter?

Eski sekter touris atraver remitans i annan plis larzan?

Eski lot sekter?

I kapab annan money laundering ki pe arive, nou pa pou konnen!
E mon problenm avek sa aprezan, se ki ler mon pe get ou Bidze R25.8milyon ou annan governance, management, administration, ladan i vin tou bann zafer normal akoz hospitality, adverse, donations eksetera.

Mon vin anba dan core functions menm parey;- basic pay, adverse, donations.

Mon pa war nanryen dan core functions ki dir strategic analysis, nou pe met R2milyon pou nou kapab setup en unit pou fer strategic analysis.

Operational analysis nou pe met R3milyon pou nou kapab setup sa.
Rezon mon pe donn ou sa, akoz ou konn tre byen ki mwan, mon konnen ki mon pe dir ou, akoz mwan osi apre ki nou’n enterakte ek ou, nou’n osi enterakte avek plizyer stakeholders an relasyon avek sa AML/CFT group!

So Mr Chairman si bomaten Lasanble - e mwan, mon anvi siport CEO mon anvi siport ou akoz FIU ou enportan so konpran mwan langaz, i pa en langaz ki pe atak FIU.

Me ki mannyer nou fer ou vin pli efektiv dan fer ou louvraz?

E ou pa kapab dir mon ou pe rod resours.


2an ou ankor pe, ou ankor pe met ou striktir.

So obviously ou konnen ki ou pe fer CEO, me ou bezwen annan en striktir ki montre Lasanble Nasyonal sa Bidze ki ou pe delivre lo la.

Otherwise akfer nou pou met sa 25milyon kot nou …?

La nou’n vin pli a risk Mr Chairman avek scammers dan sa pei.

Nou vin pli a risk ek scammers, akoz scammers ozordi demen Mr Speaker i anvoy en zafer lo ou telefonn ou pa konnen, ou, ou tonm ladan.
MR SPEAKER Onorab mon krwar CEO in konpran ou bann kritik.

23 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Non, non Mr Chairman, i enportan akoz nou annan letan pou nou diskit sa Bidze!

This is a budget ki sipoze protez - akoz les mon fer mon pwen.

Whilst ACCS … MR SPEAKER Wi?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY …i busy avek son bann case koripsyon e i pe met tou son focus lo son case koripsyon - nou’n war sa.

FCIU pe asiste ACCS be lekel ki protez larestan Seselwa?

So it’s you.
So it’s you.

MR SPEAKER Poz sa kestyon avek CEO i a reponn.

Mersi.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Relax, mon pou bezwen mon pou demann li mon kestyon.

So eski FIU pe met lanfaz lo pou li fer resours, pou li kapab improve son kapasite pou li investigate - parey son non i dir - sa bann tranzaksyon?

Kote ou’n met lanfaz?

Konbyen larzan ou’n mete - 1milyon, 2milyon, 3milyon?

Right now I have no idea konbyen ou pe mete dan bann konponan spesifik, pou ou kapab fer sa.
And then i en kestyon dir nou konbyen alors apre ki ou’n fer sa lot rapor ki ou’n disseminate internally - Mon pe demann sif, mon pa pe demann detay – sif - konbyen ki’n sipoze sorti out flow from bann money changers?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

CEO ou klarifikasyon?

CEO RICHARD RAMPAL Ok mersi Onorab.

Mon pou napa ek mon la sif lo out flow, me certainly mon kapab donn sa detay, right?
Lo kote FIU ok - nou bezwen petet zis pou en klarifikasyon - FIU nou Financial Intelligence Unit right, me non pa Investigation – right?

E anba Lalwa, nou pe deservi nou fonksyon ki’n ganny donn nou anba Lalwa - right?

Mon konpran petet par rapor nou kontan fer referans avek FIU oparavan, ki nou dir toultan i ti annan ledan or i resevwar rapor e i osi tou i investigate.

Nou, nou fonksyon i en 24 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 fonksyon ase kritik nou osi tou – right?
Nou resevwar sa bann disclosure; nou fer investigation – (laughter) nou fer nou analysis.

Mon konnen i pa en mo ki ou anvi tande, me selman nou fer nou analysis lo la.

E kwa ki enportan, nou, nou package bokou bann-.

De package ki sorti kot nou i bann package lentelizans e bann package osi tou ki ganny anvoye pou investigation by the respective Law Enforcement Authority - right?
So lo sa laspe si ki parey nou rapor i fer resorti, nou pe klerman desarz nou responsabilite, anba nou manda ki’n ganny donn nou anba Lalwa Anti-Money Laundering Act, 2020 - ou trouve?

Pou nou fer sa fonksyon nou bezwen larzan e this is whereby dan nou Bidze, i annan parey bann diferan laliny nou’n mete.

Me selman bann rekomandasyon mon take note in terms of like i ti pou enportan pou nou pou pli striktire, in terms of nou bann analysis ki nou pe fer - kantite larzan ki ganny allocated avek sa.
Akoz sa onnetman ti pe monte - konmsi towards preparasyon pou Bidze, nou ti pe realize nou menm - ler nou ti pe fer sa diskisyon internally - pou nou kapab donn en reasirans – ok - par rapor to nou core fonksyon, analysis avek monitoring - kantite larzan ki ganny mete pou sa.

Nou, nou ti’n globaliz nou progranm koman de;- enn governance e (2) core fonksyon.

Me selman lo laspe core fonksyon unfortunately i annan trwa aktivite – right?
I annan en ta aktivite revizyon AML/CFT;- i annan en aktivite Beneficial Ownership e i annan the actual core fonksyon of the FIU.

So sa i ava en keksoz ki nou, nou kapab amelyore lo la, pou nou kapab diriz zot en pti pe pli byen, in terms of kote sa bann larzan ki pe ganny - i ganny targeted.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you CEO.

Next kestyon Onorab Adelaide.

A ti Onorab Labrosse?

Yes Onorab?

HON RICHARD LABROSSE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Minis.

Bonzour tou Manm koleg prezan.


Mr Speaker nou bezwen osi realize ki FIU - ler nou pe koz FIU avan ek FIU konmela - i annan gran travay ki pe ganny fer.

E la mon ti a kontan osi i reste sa group profesyonnel laba, sirtou CEO ek son lekip ek son bann travayer.

Nou war sa zefor ki 25 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 zot pe fer, pou fer sir nou lendistri finansyel i ariv lo sa level ki nou sipoze ete.
Mr Speaker mon kestyon ler mon, ler mon lo sa menm laliny Mr Speaker mon ti ava osi kekfwa Minis oubyen CEO ti a dir avek Lasanble, ki bann package ki zot annan pou travayer ki pe travay vreman dir laba?

Taler ou’n nonmen ki Management zot lo en sistenm Kontra.

Be sa bann travayer ki pa lo sistenm Kontra zot e lo zot package, ki bann keksoz ki annan ki pou enteres zot pou reste?
Ouswa ou menm eski ou annan bann propozisyon pou annan en Scheme pou sa bann travayer laba, pou fer zot vin align avek bann lezot lorganizasyon sirtou FIU ek son kalite louvraz ki li i fer?

Mon dezyenm kestyon Mr Speaker, i konsernan en pe lo ledikasyon piblik lo louvraz FIU.

Nou tou nou’n tann diferan fason lo FIU.

Nou’n tann diferan keksoz dan nouvel, eski FIU zot menm zot annan en fason pou edik dimoun en pe lo zot travay ki zot fer?
E dan menm lenstans osi kekfwa dimoun, ti a kapab ed zot osi dan sa travay nob ki zot pe fer.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

CEO?

CEO RICHARD RAMPAL Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou kestyon.

Depi 2019 nou’n met en Scheme of Service ki regard tou nou staff – right?

Me the Scheme of Service ler i ti ganny met an 2019 ti zis pou ankadre tou dimoun, akoz vi ki nou ti napa enn oparavan - zis pou ankadre tou dimoun.
Me si i à jour avek fonksyon lorganizasyon - si i ajour avek bann lezot antite ki dan menm laliny fonksyon aktivite as well, an se moman i non.

Ki lo nou kote nou ganny difikilte pou nou atrakte bann nouvo talan.

Nou menm ganny difikilte osi tou pou retain – right?

Parey Onorab ti pe demande in terms of like ki nou pe fer - petet i pe anvi war plis dimoun ki ganny antre kot FIU and so on.

Me nou bezwen- Keksoz pli fondamantal ki mwan, mon anvi fer kot FIU, i pou mwan retain mon existing expertise.
Akoz nou bann dimoun ki nou annan, sa i nou- This is the heart of the organisation – right?

And it’s true zot ekspertiz ki kapab fer nou et efektiv e i pa fer sans at times, kot ou pou zis atrakte nouvo dimoun - ou bann dimoun - ou bann resours pli kle i zis sorti i ale.

Toultan ou pou war ou annan en average of staff ki zis petet 2an.

Nou pa discount 26 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 value of en staff ki 2an.
Me selman dan en, en sekter ki vreman teknikal, ou bezwen annan dimoun ki above en leksperyans timeframe of 2an.

So lo sa laspe nou’n deza met en nouvo propozisyon pou nou Scheme ganny revwar, me sa i ava en diskisyon ki nou ava take up - nou a kontinyen take up avek Minister Finans.

mon asire Minister Finans i konpran osi tou sa bann pwen ki ou pe - zot in fer resorti, ki zot osi zot konpran sa bann pwen koumsa.

E lo kote awareness – wi, awareness i zanmen ase espesyalman dan nou sekter domestik.
I annan tro bokou keksoz pou zot abzorbe.

Back in the days toultan nou’n war focus in lo offshore sector.

E lo kote offshore sector, mon a kapab dir ase konfortableman, ki sa bann profesyonnel ki travay dan sa sekter, zot annan en bon level of understanding lo bann risk - lo laspe teknikal osi tou.

E when it comes to banking sector i parey.

Me now nou war nou ki nou pe konmans focus en pe lo lezot sekter, ki pa’n zanmen deza konnen or ganny angaze dan sa parkour AML/CFT.
Nou’n annan bokou aktivite ki nou’n fer e menm osi tou dan sa konteks beneficial ownership.

Sa enn ki la mon krwar i tous en pti pe plis pou sosyete.

Lo kote FIU nou, nou pe re strategise nou bann progranm pou 2023.

Nou anvi fer bann aktivite ki anmenn bann greater impact.

An 2022 la the current year nou’n fer serten awareness both lo Mahe, Praslin ek La Digue.

Me sa rezilta ki’n anmennen i pa’n ase satisfezan.


Ler mon pe dir rezilta - i rezilta ki nou pe war kantite dimoun pe servi sa platform nimerik ki zot sipoze pe anvoy zot lenformasyon lo la.

Level of population lo la i vreman low, so nou pe re strategise pou nou gete ki bann aktivite ki kapab pli impactful pou nou fer an 2023.
E lo kote AML/CFT wi, parey mon’n fer resorti oparavan, kantmenm nou annan nou bann reporting entities ki report kot nou, nou welcome any endividi ki zot anvi anmenn lenformasyon kot nou.

Because after all parey mon’n deza fer resorti devan sa Lasanble, FIU nou welcome - nou welcome any bann linisyativ or anyone ki pare pou montre nou plis larealite ki pe arive dan nou sekter finansyel domestik.
Kot prezan nou, nou kapab antre, pou nou kapab gete ki bann aktivite ki nou, nou kapab fer in terms of deterring.

Mersi.

27 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Klarifikasyon Onorab ?

HON RICHARD LABROSSE Mersi CEO pou larepons.

Mr Speaker i pa en klarifikasyon i plito en sipor.

So la mon ti a kontan dir ek Minister Finans, pou donn zot sipor pou zot Scheme of Service pou kontiny sa bon travay.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.


CEO ou bezwen adres sa oubyen nou a kontinyen?

Nou a pass on?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY (Off-Mic) MR SPEAKER Onorab ou ki pe chair.

Mon ava apresye ganny en pe respe avek ou.

E avan mon terminen, mon a dir ou laprosenn fwa evite dir mwan ‘’relax’’ ler mon dir ou en keksoz, en?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY (Off-Mic) MR SPEAKER Mon’n dir ou evite dir mwan ‘’relax’’ ler mon’n dir ou en keksoz, ki ou ti dir taler.

Mersi.

Onorab Gabriel ou kestyon.

HON CONRAD GABRIEL Mersi Mr Chair.


Welcome Minis ou delegasyon, panel.

Bonzour tou dimoun ki pe ekoute.

An prensip CEO, mon ti a kontan demann ou, petet dan sa dernyen 2an, ki kantite ka zot in kapab deal avek e ki valer monneter i reprezante pou Sesel?

E osi ki kantite ka ki reste zot pou zot travay avek e osi ki kantite rannman ki kantite son valer an term monneter?

Apre osi an pasan ou annan 43 staff, petet zis dir nou konbyen staff etranze i annan ki travay ek zot?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.


CEO si ou annan sa bann sif ?

28 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 CEO RICHARD RAMPAL Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou kestyon.

Lo kote nou bann staff tou nou bann staff i lokal - Seselwa parey nou dir.

Me selman nou annan nou de konsiltan ki pe travay ek nou lo en term 6 mwan, pou donn nou en pe sipor lo nou kote lo nou core fonksyon.
E ok eskize pou sa ;- lo bann rapor ki nou, nou’n fer sorti, cummulatively dan sa de lannen ki ou pe koz lo la, nou’n fer sorti 222 - 222 rapor, sa in al kot bann Law Enforcement Authorities.

The such of lapolis zeneral, me selman ler nou spesyalize it’s like lo kote FCIU, lo kote ACCS lo kote Komisyon Taks e menm i annan bann competent Authorities.

So nou annan nou 222 rapor both - zis pou pa anmenn any konfizyon osi tou - nou annan both rapor ki zis bann parey mon pe dir, bann package Lentelizans.
E i annan bann package ki sorti pou Investigation - yes.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Eski ou’n reponn lo kestyon staff si ou annan staff etranze?

Sorry mon’n manke.

Onorab ou annan klarifikasyon?

HON CONRAD GABRIEL Yes Mr Chair mersi.

Mon pe demann li an valer moniter pou Sesel, kwa ki ou’n met dan kof Sesel so far e kwa ki reste pou ou anmase?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Wi CEO si ou kapab adres sa.

CEO RICHARD RAMPAL Mersi.

Lo valer tranzaksyon - right?

Non mon pou napa ek mwan la.


Sel sif ki mon pou annan, mon pou annan sif 2021. mon annan … MR SPEAKER Wi annou -.

ok zis terminen CEO.

CEO RICHARD RAMPAL Petet mon ava donn zot sa sif pli tar.

Selman mon annan la, mon pou bezwen al antre dan rapor.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Wi nou a kontinyen - Onorab John Hoareau?

29 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 HON JOHN HOAREAU Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour Mr Chair.

Bonzour Minis ek ou bann delegasyon avek tou dimoun ki pe ekoute.
Mr Chair mon kestyon i en pti pe - baze lo en pti pe lo sa ki Onorab Cosgrow in demande bomaten.

Annefe ler nou pe get FIU 2an pase ek ozordi, nou war poudir nivo oubyen la kantite louvraz in vreman, vreman ogmante.

Akoz si ou pe gete ozordi nou annan capital market ki pa ti an egzistans 2an pase, me ozordi nou annan apepre 107 ki’n anrezistre.
Nou annan osi en kantite group relizye anba Associations Act ki’n anrezistre e zot osi zot poz serten defi pou zot kapab monitor bann STRs ki sorti lo bann tranzaksyon finansyel ki pase ant sa bann Lasosyasyon.

Alor ki mon pe demande – annefe - si sa 6milyon an plis ki zot in gannyen pou sa Bidze, si i pou permet ou - ok - si i pou permet ou kapab ogmant ou kapasite a en nivo, ki ou kapab fer fas avek sa logmantasyon dan louvraz ki zot pe gannyen?
Dezyenmman, lo kote ou percentage of timely exchange ki ou’n met li 80poursan anba latab 6, mon ti a kontan konnen si sa i en sif ki akseptab avek bann rekomandasyon FATF?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

CEO.

CEO RICHARD RAMPAL Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou kestyon.

Lo sa laspe lezot prodwir finansyel ki pe ogmante dan nou sistenm i - kwa ki soulaz nou striktir mannyer i ete e ki nou annan sa bann sectorial supervisor – right?

Parey si nou pe koz lo kote capital market, collective investment Schemes.
Nou pe koz lo kote nou - bann laspe bann prodwir ki tonm lo kote FSA, zot, zot responsab pou zot fer - be the sectorial supervisor lo prudential aspect.

E nou, nou remain selman the Lazans ki resevwar bann disclosure – right?
E parey mon’n fer resorti oparavan, lo kote building capacity, i touzour en konsern akoz i takes a lot pou ou kapab – ou menm group dimoun, ozordi i deal avek en case ki pe annan pou fer avek domestik e then nou pou annan kot i pe deal lo capital market - the collective investment Scheme ki bann area very, very technical.
30 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Me through bann exchanger ki nou pe fer avek bann regilater domestik, as much as possible nou get them onboard pou kapab mentor en pe nou bann staff ki dan core fonksyon.

Akoz i pa pou fer sans pou vini ou vin fer serten analysis me kan ou pa konn the subject matter - ou pa konnen mannyer i, i marse.

So internally avek sipor bann competent Authorities, nou fer bokou exchange lo la.
E osi tou, tou bann groupman ki nou attend osi, nou part of Egmont – ESAAMLG - nou kind of servi sa bann platform, pou nou build kapasite FIU en pe.

E petet en keksoz ki mon ava fer resorti osi, tou sa bann platform nou pa neseserman zis servi zot pou nou build capacity.

Nou menm annan problenm ki nou fer fas avek – right?

E as we speak right now FIU through myself, I am the chair of FIU Forum within the eastern and southern Africa.
E i kind of met ou dan en pli bon pozisyon, pou nou kapab diriz en pe bann diskisyon ki arive dan nou rezyon.

Akoz petet trwa kar di-tan letan ou asize ou pou pe deal avek zis petet wildlife trafficking.

Ki ler nou, nou asize dan en forum koumsa, nou pa kapab neseserman relate to sa bann aktivite koumsa.

Me ler ou asize ou annan Chairmanship e ou menm be active dan sa bann diskisyon, nou kapab fer bann konversasyon at a regional level.
E now as we speak one area ki bann Manm in fer resorti lo kote crypto e virtual asset, nou konman en pei, nou’n fini met sa la pou diskite dan nou rezyon - in terms of like regionally - ki pe arive?

Mannyer zot, zot pe deal avek?

Mannyer nou, nou kapab aprann?

Mannyer nou, nou kapab esanz en pe nou leksperyans avek zot.

So nou ase byen pozisyonnen lo, lo sa laspe.

E si mon’n konpran byen dezyenm kestyon i lo nou timely exchange of information.
I lo exchange of information, yes - i set en peryod letan kot ou kapab donn, donn sa bann lenformasyon.

Me parey ou kapab apresye pa tou lenstans osi tou - ler sa bann exchange - nou pe koz plizoumwen bann non- domestic antite ler zot vin isi Sesel, i pa neseserman ki tou lenstans ki lenformasyon ki zot, zot pe rode i ganny garde isi Sesel.
But kwa ki enportan anliny avek rekomandasyon FATF - anliny avek nou Lalwa, basic information ki ganny maintain here in Seychelles, in most cases, we are able to access it with bann domestic counterpart e pou nou exchange it back to the reporting entities.

Me selman i vin en process osi tou kot nou bezwen eksplike pou nou set zot lekspektasyon in terms of ki nou Lalwa i permet nou anmase.
31 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 E ki nou Lalwa osi tou i pa allow nou pou anmase ki beyond nou.

Yes, mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi CEO.

Onorab Georges?

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour Minis avek ou delegasyon.

Mr Chair mon anvi - mon pou bref - avek ou permisyon mon ti a kontan fer en pti lesanz kekfwa pou konmansman.

E sa se mon pe ekout Onorab Pillay - son kestyon - e mon krwar i annan en keksoz ki sa Lasanble nou bezwen remind nou lekor.
E sa se anba Order 81 nou kapab at this point fer bann lamannman avek bann heads.

E Onorab Pillay taler in fer en pwen ki sa Bidze FIU pa’n broken down into bann konponan neseser.

E mon krwar sa i en keksoz ki nou merit pli focus lo la.

Akoz sa ki nou fer dan sa peryod la, i enportan - i enteresan - nou debat lo bann detay Bidze be nou pa sanz nanryen.

At the end of the day Bidze i pase tel parey in fini ganny prepare.
E mon krwar ki avek ou permisyon Mr Speaker, i annan de keksoz ki nou devret konman en Lasanble focus lo la, premye se sa lapel ki mon ti fer avan yer - e sa se ki i annan en konsiltasyon at the time of the preparation of the budget ant Minister Finans ek Lasanble.

E sa ti’n ganny aksepte dan bann Lasanble presedan, me zanmen nou’n met li an aplikasyon.
I devret kekfwa annan en Assembly Budget Committee ki pou meet avek Minister Finans, ler bann gran laliny Bidze i ganny, i ganny prepare, dan en fason ler i ariv isi nou’n deza ganny en serten input dan Bidze.

E kekfwa an atandan ki nou a ki nou fer en Assembly Budget Committee nou kapab servi FPAC konman sa Komite ki pou kapab fer sa travay.

Just a suggestion.

Me dezyenmman se ki bann Manm nou bezwen remind nou lekor ki anba Order 81, nou kapab fer lamannman -propoz lamannman.
Sa ki nou pa kapab fer se zis Minis ki kapab fer, se raise en head.

Me annou pa bliye ki nou se Lasanble ki kontrol supply.

Se nou ki kontrol larzan ki Gouvernman i depanse.

Sel keksoz ki Minis i fer, se i donn nou en propozisyon dan Appropriation Act, me se nou ki bezwen aksepte sa propozisyon.
E mon dir sa, akoz ler nou war ki i annan de fwa nou kapab anmenn en kontribisyon - nou pa kapab raise - se zis Minis ki kapab fer - 32 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 me nou kapab sanz en pe bann heads, tan ki son lanvlop pa sanze;-nou kapab donn en pe plis detay e fer bann lamannman bann propozisyon lamannman lo ki mannyer bann sub heads i kapab ganny atribye.

Mon ti anvi zis fer sa, fer sa sorti Mr Chair.


I dernyen zour ozordi nou pa pou kapab fer li sa lannen, be kekfwa pou lannen prosenn nou kapab annan en nouvo lapros avek Bidze.

Mon kestyon pou FIU se sa enn;- i annan - e i kler dan sa dernyen lannen nou’n war i annan gaps dan Mutual Assistance - kantite gaps.

Si en antite etranze i anvi lasistans Sesel, zot kapab fer li - in the criminal sphere zot kapab fer li atraver Lapolis etranze avek FCIU isi Sesel, that works.
Me in the civil sphere i annan definitivman bokou gaps.

E resaman nou ti war de, de gaps ki ti ganny mansyonnen par Lakour Siprenm li menm.

Premye se crypto currency - e i vre ki nou pa kapab demonize crypto currency, me nou konnen ki i annan enn ou de ou pe fer plis exchange ganny anrezistre isi Sesel.

E ki donk dan bokou ka i annan en lenformasyon ki nou bezwen atraver sa exchanges.
In the civil sphere ler en Lakour etranze i donn en lord, i pa toultan ki sa lord - akoz nou napa sa mekanizm - i pa toultan ki sa lord i kapab ganny enforced isi Sesel.

E sa set en gap, akoz nou konnen crypto currency ou bezwen fer en enforcement vit.

By the nature of the transaction nou bezwen fer li vit.

E ler ou pou bezwen al Ankour pou ou anmenn en case pou domesticate en zizman etranze, i pou pran ou plizyer mwan and the bird has flown.

Alor la i annan en travay ki nou bezwen.


E ki nou bezwen fer urgently.

Dezyenm, ou plito 1B dan sa premye vole, se ki dan bokou ka avek crypto currency ler i annan en fraud ki’n arive, ou pa konnen lekel en fraudster.

E ler en Lakour etranze i donn en zizman kont persons unknown, nou Lakour isi Sesel pa oule aksepte, akoz napa en dimoun ki known.

Alor la osi i annan en travay pou fer.


Dezyenm pwen ki ti arise recently se ki nou still pa ankor anmenn into force the cross-border insolvency section of nou Insolvency Act.

Depi 2013 in pase me sa seksyon pa ankor still vin brought into force.
E sa i en zouti ki efektiv akoz i permet tou bann dimoun ki’n siny - enkli Sesel - Konvansyon lo cross border insolvency, i permet en Lakour dan en pei zis ekrir - pa ni bezwen donn zizman - zis ekrir son omolog dan en lot pei e dir ‘’this is what I’d like you to do please’’ e i ganny fer otomatikman.
33 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Recently ti annan en case lo crypto currency ankor, kot Lakour Sid Lafrik in ekrir Sef Ziz Sesel poudir please help me akoz nou tou le de signatories, me malerezman akoz nou pa ti ankor domesticate - nou pa ti ankor bring into force sa provizyon i ganny dan nou Insolvency Act, nou pa’n kapab fer li isi e donk ankor enn fwa the bird flew.
Alor mon kestyon apre tousala Mr Chair - mersi pou ou pasyans - mon kestyon se avek CEO - CEO eski anba sa Bidze la ou ava annan resours neseser;- e mon konnen ou annan lavolonte neseser - me eski i pou annan resours neseser pou kapab close sa bann gaps dan lannen ki pe vini?

Pou ki nou annan Mutual Assistance bokou pli fasil pou deter bann keksoz ki ou konman FIU ou la pou deter?

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

CEO ou kapab adres sa de pwen dan ou Bidze?

SS Payet i anvi adrese?


SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour tou Manm Onorab e tou dimoun ki a lekout.

Mersi Onorab pou sa kestyon.

Mon krwar propozisyon ki Onorab in mete ozordi nou kapab pran li at the level of National AMLCFT Committee.

E as the Chair ki enkli bann lenstitisyon, nou ava enkli li as part of the azanda for 2023.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Bon nou a kapab termin la.

Wi Onorab Loze ki point of order?

HON JOHAN LOZE Mersi Mr Speaker.


I avek bokou respe for both Chair and Onorab LGB, ki mon raise en point of order.

Mon’n note ki Onorab LGB i parfetman akseptab pou li source sa ki Lakour in dir - sa ki’n pas devan Lakour - be ki resaman ou pa ti dan Chair letan ACCS ti la.

Johan Loze li i napa drwa ni site, ni source anything ki pas devan Lakour dan Lasanble Nasyonal.

E set avek bokou respe ki mon’n raise sa matter towards the Chair Mr Speaker.
MR SPEAKER 34 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Mersi.

Mon pa kapab rule lo sa point of order.

Petet mon pa ti dan Chair letan Onorab Loze ti fer sa.

E byensir mon realize poudir Lasanble i bezwen very careful ki mannyer i refer to soz la.

Me selman mon sipoze i pou depan lo ki kalite referans ou fer.

So mon bezwen aret la mon pa kapab rule lo la plis.

Mersi mon remersi panel pou zot partisipasyon e bann Manm.
Nou ava prezan vot lo sa Bidze pou Financial Intelligence Unit ki pou R25milyon 857mil.

Manm ki an faver lev lanmen silvouple?

Mersi.

Manm ki kont?

Lo Bidze pou Financial Intelligence Unit 25 Manm in vot pour, 0 kont, 0 abstansyon Bidze in aprouve par Lasanble.

Mon a swet Financial Intelligence Unit - bann zofisye, bon depar e bonn kontinyasyon.

Mon krwar Minis ek SS nou pou war zot ankor nou a repran, nou a repran 11er.

Sorry mon koup zot break en pti gin.

Me nou a repran 11er mersi.


(BREAK) OTHER GOODS AND SERVICES SOCIAL PROGRAMS OF TAX CENTRAL GOVERNMENT, CONTINGENCY AND EXEMPTION OTHER GOODS AND SERVICES MR SPEAKER Byen mon swet lekel mon a swet labyenveni Mr Jude Commettant Deputy Comptroller General ki’n zwenn nou.

Nou annan konsiderasyon senk laliny dan Bidze mon pa tro rapel ki mannyer nou’n fer avan.

Me selman mon krwar i ti pou pli bon si nou pran lentrodiksyon ek kestyon ansanm.
E apre vot lo bann Bidze separe pou evit nou fer senk round kestyon ki pou vreman stretch nou management letan.

Minis nou a prosed koumsa?

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Wi Mr Chair.

Mon pou napa lentrodiksyon nou kapab komans direk lo … 35 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 MR SPEAKER Les mon anons bann laliny Bidze koumsa bann Manm a kapab pinpoint zot paz dan liv.
Other Goods and Services ki lo paz 34 pou R131milyon 669mil; Social Programs of Central Government ki lo paz 38 ziska 39 pou R298milyon 200mil.

‘Others’ - mon sipoze Others dan sa kategori ki lo paz 41 - R10milyon.

Contingency lo paz 42 pou R50milyon e Tax Exemption pou R10milyon.

Minis ou lentrodiksyon lo sa bann laliny silvouple.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair pou sa bann laliny nou napa lentrodiksyon.

Nou kapab al direkteman lo kestyon sorti kot bann Manm.

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Tre byen nou a pran kestyon bann Manm lo sa bann expenditure items.

Sorry si -?

Ou kapab adres mon Onorab Lemiel.

HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL Mersi Mr Chair.

Nou pe pran zis Other Goods and Services la?

MR SPEAKER Non sa i - HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL Oubyen nou pe pran tou sa bann heads?

MR SPEAKER Nou pe pran tou ansanm.

HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL Tousala ansanm?

MR SPEAKER Wi.

HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL E nou’n ganny zis de kestyon, non?

MR SPEAKER Anr mon konpran ou.


Ok si ou annan kestyon lo diferan heads?

36 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL Wi.

MR SPEAKER Ok be dan sa ka nou bezwen fer … HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL Akoz Other Goods and Services i vin enn, ki annan son bann diferan sa anba la.

MR SPEAKER Mon konpran ou - si ou annan … HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL Apre lot osi i annan son bann diferan … MR SPEAKER Si ou annan kestyon lo sak sa bann soz.

HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL Wi.


MR SPEAKER Dan sa ka eski nou kapab limit kestyon lo en kestyon lo sak sa bann item?

Onorab Pillay ki ou mazinen?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mon pe mazinen Mr Chairman i annan sa bann heads, ki nou fer i annan zis sa trwa ki reste nou fer en sel ale, nou kontinyen.

And then si nou bezwen fini kanmenm 1er nou konnen poudir nou’n fini nou pa met bezwen break ankor 12.30edmi nou fer en sel ale.
Prezan Manm ki annan kestyon parey ou’n dir, si ou annan enn ou kapab pran tou ou bann kestyon and then we nou fini avek.

Ki ou panse?

MR SPEAKER Well, nou annan zis trwa nou pa zis trwa -nou annan sa senk la, apre nou annan sa trwa apre midi.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Chair.

37 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 MR SPEAKER Madanm Clerk ki mannyer nou’n abitye prosede avek sa?

Sak - enn par enn?

Ok. HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Chair?

MR SPEAKER Mon war SS osi … Onorab?


HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mon Whip pe dir mwan - par egzanp baze lo sa lide nou fer en sel nou fini.

Nou pran Other Goods and Services nou fini ek li.

Nou pran lot nou fini - nou pran lot nou fini.

What I meant was nou pa break konmsi, nou fer en sel ale.

MR SPEAKER Oh well definitivman nou pa pou break, me selman i depan lo ki kantite kestyon i annan lo sak sa bann, sa bann.

Nou a sey koumsa.

Bills Committee pe zwenn 12.30.


Wi nou pou terminen, si bezwen nou a repran apre midi si i neseser.

Ok nou a konmans avek Goods and services nou a regarde ki mannyer i ale, apre nou a regarde si nou bezwen aziste.

SS wi oule advice?

SS PATRICK PAYET Mr Chair kekfwa lo kote sa vot, mon krwar Astride Tamatave in mansyonnen ki letan zot ti pe fer Other wages, zis pou advice Lasanble ki Other Goods and Services pe kouver professional and consultancy - 20.5milyon.
Unforseen visit - 3milyon, advertisement and publicity - 1milyon, cleaning services - 101.2milyon e National Day Celebration - 5milyon.

E parey zot war pli gro vot parey pli gran vot se professional consultancy services.

Anba sa vot nou annan the IFMIS consultant ki nou’n kouver 4.5milyon.

AML/CFT konsiltan - 3.1milyon.

Nou annan en kontribisyon ki nou fer for AG’s Office lo kote drafting ek lo kote legal.
Sa i en kontribisyon 1milyon ki Gouvernman i fer me selman FSA avek CBS zot osi zot kontribye, vi ki mazorite sa bann Lalwa i sorti kot sa de antite.

Apre nou annan en lagreman avek World 38 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Bank pou bann servis devlopman finansyel - sekter finansyel - 3.18milyon.

E apre, AFRITAC South phase 2 e lagreman sa AFRITAC South se IMF;- en antite IMF ki annan en groupman bann lezot pei dan Lafrik.
E nou bezwen fer en kontribisyon 1.9milyon e Fitch Ratings 0.7milyon.

Lo kote cleaning services, parey Minis in anonse dan Bidze, konpansasyon 24.7milyon lafen Desanm 2023.

E 13enm mwan - 5.9milyon e salary increase - 4milyon.

Sa in ganny enkli parey zot war sa significant increase konpare avek Bidze 2022.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Wi nou a konmans lo kestyon Onorab Pillay ou kapab konmanse.

Wi Onorab?

HON WALLACE COSGROW Wi Mr Chair nou pe get Other Goods and Services lo paz 34 si mon byen en?

44?
44?

34.

Wi be ler nou get sa paz la en, ler nou get Budget 2023 mon war i annan en problenm kalkilasyon.

Eski ler nou get dan son latab anler i dir 100ekek milyon, me ler nou get anba total goods and services i 300 - i dir 3bilyon ou a krwar.

Si mon pe byen war en?

Zis annou klarifye sa apre nou ava kapab bouze.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER SS ou’n swiv sa?

Wi?

SS PATRICK PAYET Wi mersi Onorab.

Zis pou klarifye, se letan nou dir total goods and services i enkli byen e servis dan bann Minister.
Parey ou pou war lo paz 31-32 i azoute, ki parey mon’n dir pou sa konponan lo Other Goods and Services - 131milyon 669mil i pou zis professional, unforeseen, advertisement, cleaning services avek National Day Celebration.

MR SPEAKER Ok. Mon’n swiv ou SS.

Onorab Pillay ou kapab konmanse.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman mon pou demann premye kestyon i an relasyon avek sa egzekisyon for elections - execution for elections.
39 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Mon war ti annan en sonm R3.9milyon ki ti bidzete an 2022, mon ti a kontan konnen ki’n arive avek sa sonm?

Apre an relasyon avek cleaning services lo sa 102milyon, mon ti swiv lanons Minis ki pou annan en restriktirasyon an relasyon avek cleaning services.

Eski sa nou pe koz - anba sa Bidze ki la - vi ki mon pa war li aparet an 2024 ek 2025.

Sa i pou dernyen lannen ki i aparet.


Eski sa i vedir an 2024 efektivman tou dimoun ki tonm anba sa head, pou’n fini ganny asimile dan bann lorganizasyon?

E prezan reasir nou ki dan sa asimilasyon ki pou ganny fer pandan lannen 2023, ki sa bann dimoun pou ganny pou, pou retenir zot lanplwa?

Si i annan ki’n ariv laz retret obviously - akoz nou pa konnen ki’n arive ek Lalwa 65an.

Me eski tou dimoun pou efektivman retenir zot lanplwa anba sa, anba sa head?
E la nou pe koz bann dimoun mon krwar ki predominaman dan Cleaners Corporative si mon pa tronpe?

Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

SS wi kestyon lo eleksyon avek cleaning services?

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Premye kestyon lo kote egzekisyon for election 3.9milyon parey nou ti mete dan Mid-year Review nou ti met sa konman en budget line.

Akoz lentansyon ki ti pou annan propozisyon dan Lalwa Mayor of Victoria pou annan sa eleksyon.
E nou Minister Finans nou ti met sa provizyon me si pa arive nou pa ankor disburse larzan i pou en savings within the budget.

Dezyenm lo kote cleaning services wi, parey zot in war 2024- 2025, i pa ganny enkli dan Other Goods and Services.

E sa in ganny enkli dan bann antite konsernen dan sak MDAs sa budget line anba cleaning services e nou’n met ladan, selman zot konpansasyon pe ganny peye pou lannen 2023.
E definitivman i pou annan zot nouvo Kontra ki pou sinyen avek konmansman 2024 e sa bann endividi pou ganny abzorbe dan zot respective avek bann nouvo kondisyon.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Wi, klarifikasyon Onorab?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi pou ou larepons SS.

Mon apresye e note e nou pou swiv asimilasyon sa bann dimoun dan sa bann diferan landrwa, pou 40 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 asire ki pandan sa prosesis, personn pa ganny afekte avek zot restriktirasyon ki zot pe ganny propoze.
Me mon ti a kontan demann en kestyon adisyonnel Mr Chairman.

An relasyon avek unforeseen visit pou bann dignitaries mon war ki nou end of year 2022 ti fini lo 2.5milyon.

E mon’n, mon ti resevwar breakdown sorti kot Departman Foreign Affairs lo vizit Prezidan Kenyatta ki ti ariv 2.6 ekek milyon.

Prezan ki mon ti a kontan klarifye, akoz dan sa end of year visits for dignitaries, mon pa’n war sanzman dan sa Bidze, akoz in annan lezot vizit ki pe arive ki sipoze pe ganny kouver anba sa vot.
So lekel vot ki’n kouver sa bann vizit, an vi ki sa larzan ki’n sipoze pe ganny depanse par egzanp zis pou vizit Prezidan Kenyatta, in fini exhaust sa Bidze ‘’unforeseen visit for dignitaries’’?

So kote ki’n met sa larzan ki’n ganny depanse an plis?

Kote ki in sorti sa larzan ki’n depanse an plis, dan perspektiv asir latransparans, accountability lo nivo Gouvernman pou ki nou, nou konnen e ki Seselwa i konnen ki mannyer Gouvernman pe depans sa larzan?

Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.


Minis mon pas kestyon ek SS?

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Kekfwa zis pou mansyonnen ki letan nou’n soumet - Foreign Affairs mon krwar in soumet lenformasyon kot FPAC, in donn ou total depans ki’n ganny fer.

E menm parey mon krwar ti arive avek depans bann Ziz Lakour Dapel ki ti vini.

I annan bann depans ki ti’n vin dan - kot Minister Finans, be however i annan depans ki’n ganny depanse dan bann Minister konsernen - parey Foreign Affairs li menm.
So ou pou war kekfwa lo kote Minister Finans nou, nou pa’n depans - Aktyelman nou, depans ki’n vin kot nou, i zis 1.98milyon.

Me tandis ki sa balans ki’n ganny depanse kekfwa kot Foreign Affairs.

Me selman li ler in soumet lenformasyon kot ou, in donn ou total.

Me selman Onorab kekfwa si ou anvi en pe plis detay lo kote ki mannyer sa in ganny finanse, nou kapab donn ou konbyen ki’n ganny depanse anba unforeseen visit kot Minister Finans.
Konbyen ki’n ganny depanse anba Minister Foreign Affairs - sa nou kapab donn ou baze lo soumisyon ki ti ganny fer.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER 41 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Mersi SS.

Eski i annan lot Manm ki’n lev lanmen ki mon pa’n war?

En moman - Onorab mon a gete si napa lot Manm mon a kapab donn ou ankor en kestyon.

Ok, Onorab Pillay ou kapab poz ankor en kestyon.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mersi SS pou sa, sa reasirans ki ou pou donn mwan lenformasyon adisyonnel.
So prenan kont ki nou annan en vot ki nou mete dan Bidze pou sa bann vizit, me apre nou war depans pe ganny fer anba lezot heads.

Savedir nou Bidze pou bann vizit bann dignitaries i pa pe kouver sa bann vizit?

So mon kestyon prezan se, ki mannyer Lasanble ki pe fer oversight prezan, pou konnen ki mannyer bann Minister pe depans zot larzan vizavi sa bann vizit, si nou pa pe santraliz sa depans pou ki apre nou kapab fer oversight lo sa depans?
Otherwise then tou dimoun pou depans kot li laba e sa i pa anliny avek Minis sa ki li i anvi war.

I anvi war en fason santral, kot i kapab koman Minister Finans gete pou dir be la nou pe depans tro bokou, ou bezwen tenir en pe.

Akoz then i - ki mannyer ou asire ki ou’n ganny value for money par egzanp kot ou’n pey de lotel, ou’n pey en lotel - ou’n pey isi, ou’n pey laba.
Minister Finans napa en kontrol, ki mon krwar Minister Finans i bezwen retenir kontrol anba sa vot, akoz se zot esansyelman ki finalman i bezwen vin devan Lasanble pou reponn kestyon lo la.

So eski Gouvernman pe met an plas en striktir pou fer sa?

E ki mannyer zot pou fer sir ki Lasanble Nasyonal i pou ganny met okouran?

Prezan ki nou pa bezwen demann kestyon avek Minister ki li i donn nou en bout lenformasyon, but then en bout lenformasyon i sorti anba en Bidze ki Minister Finans pe kontrole?
Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

SS ou a adrese?

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Mr Chair letan nou pe planifye sa bann unforeseen visit espesyalman bann dignitaries avek Foreign Affairs, zot prezant avek nou en Bidze ki zot war zot pe al depanse pou sa dignitaries.

42 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Zot soumet e nou, nou agree avek zot baze lo sa provizyon ki nou fer, ki kantite ki i pou ganny kouver kot nou e ki kantite i ganny kouver kot zot.
Me however definitivman nou, nou annan en oversight lo kote depans ki pe al ganny fer both kot Foreign Affairs, avek kot Minister Finans.

Par egzanp nou donn en - sirtou bann depans ki ganny fer kot anba sa provizyon, i natirelman bann gro depans.

Par egzanp lo kote hiring of landrwa, transportasyon.

Me tandis ki par egzanp zot pe rod en endividi par egzanp pou fer translator, ouswa pou fer lezot aktivite, nou war sa bann vot zot kapab kouver dan zot Bidze.

E sa i en diskisyon ki nou ganny fer avek zot.


Me parey Onorab i konnen letan lenformasyon ti ganny soumet zot ti donn nou lo son totalite.

Kekfwa sa ki kekfwa i manke pou advise FPAC ki kantite ki’n ganny abzorb dan provizyon santralize.

E ki kantite ki’n ganny abzorb dan bann lezot Minister.

Me selman sa i en laranzman ki nou kapab travay ek Foreign Affairs, se kekfwa letan zot soumet sa bann lenformasyon, zot kapab met en pe plis klarite dan sa soumisyon.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi SS.


Mon sipoze FPAC i kapab touzour demann Minister Finans pou donn zot en figure ki’n reconcile - ki’n met tou ansanm.

Mersi.

Bon, napa lot kestyon alor nou a kapab vot lo sa laliny Bidze, pou Other Goods and Services pou en total R131milyon 669mil.

Manm ki an faver lev lanmen silvouple?

Mersi.

Okenn Manm ki kont.

Bidze lo Other Goods and Services 25 Manm in vot pour, 0 kont e 0 abstansyon.

Nou’n aprouv sa laliny.


SOCIAL PROGRAMS OF CENTRAL GOVERNMENT MR SPEAKER Social Programs of Central Government mon ti dir taler lo paz 38 ziska lo paz 39 pou R298milyon 200mil.

SS oule fer okenn remark lo sa Bidze avan Manm i kapab demann kestyon?

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair parey zot war lo sa sou progranm, i mazorite depans ki nou mete se sa pension - en special pension payment.

Parey zot konnen anba sa special pension payment i annan en minimum pension ki Fon Pansyon i peye - R3mil.
43 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 E ladan i annan en - vi ki i minimonm R3mil e Gouvernman i abzorb sa diferans.

Apre i annan bann lezot antite - bann pli gro sonm ankor se SME Scheme avek sa Housing Finance Scheme.

SME Scheme 50milyon aprovizyon lo kote lentere; Housing Finance Scheme nou met en provizyon 18milyon.

E bann lezot Scheme osi ki egziste parey nouvo ki pou annan lannen prosenn, i se sa Educational Loan Scheme.
E dan provizyon osi ki pou annan lannen prosenn, i sa temporary financial assistance, ki pou kontinyen pandan sa premye kar lannen prosenn - Zanvye, Fevriye, Mars - nou’n met en total 20.6milyon.

E apre parey zot war, i pou bann lezot provizyon pou lo kote the non-profit organization 9milyon ki nou mete.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Aglae?

HON EGBERT AGLAE Mersi Mr Chair.

SS mon kestyon i lo sa SME Scheme ok?


Mon ti a kontan konnen la ok kantite larzan petet ki’n ou’n ganny aplikan ki anba la ki’n depanse?

Apre osi lekel osi bann - akoz ti annan de labank prensipal Nouvobanq ek SCB ki ti pe ede pou distribye sa Scheme.

Eski bann lezot labank pe ganny involve ladan?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

SS?

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Wi Mr Chair tou labank i enkli Credit Union zot osi zot enkli dan sa Scheme.
Zot osi zot enkli dan sa Scheme - zot annan en MOU.

Me tandis ki lannen prosenn i annan en diskisyon ki nou’n fer en nouvo - restriktir en pe sa Scheme.

Par egzanp lo kote definisyon turnover - parey Minis in anonse dan Bidze - avan pou ou kalifye ou turnover ti bezwen within the threshold of 6milyon.

Me la nou’n increase threshold avek sityasyon ekonomik 10milyon.

E pou met li anliny avek definisyon ki ESA i annan dan son Lalwa.
Apre secondly lo kote repeyman, sa osi son Scheme nou’n revwar lo kote son terms.

Avan - la nou’n war ki ou kapab repeye dan 10an, so - dan bann lanons ki nou’n fer.

44 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Me tou labank i enplike, ki enkli Credit Union.

Kekfwa zis pou advice se lo kote loan value 2014 letan Scheme konmanse, son total loan value - i pa sa subsidy interest rate; – 2014 - 220milyon.
2015 - 235milyon, 2016 - 344milyon, 2017 - 184milyon, 2018 - 308milyon, 2019 - 467milyon, 2020 - 212milyon, 2021 -126milyon.

E up to Septanm 2022 - 122milyon in ganny disburse.

So sa i bann sonm ki bann labank in disburse, me tandis ki lo lentere i en provizyon 50milyon apepre ki zot anvoy kot nou pou nou peye.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Nou a pran kestyon Onorab Henrie.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair.


Premye kestyon i konsern contribution to CARE;- nou war ki inisyalman dan Bidze 2022 ti napa alokasyon pou CARE.

Apre end of year i annan en sonm 1.2million.

So mon anvi konnen ki rezondet ki annan en larzan ki’n re antre pou sa NGO?

Akoz enn bann pwen ki mon ti fer se ki mon ti pe dir i en NGO parey nenport ki.

So i merit kapab apply par egzanp National Grants for Other Non-profit Organization pou son bann progranm?

Sa i mon premye kestyon.


Dezyenm kestyon Mr Chair i konsern Seychelles News Agency.

E pou bann dimoun ki’n swiv travay Lasanble, zot ava konnen mon pozisyon lo la depi letan mon ti dan Lopozisyon.

Premyerman mon rod I wonder akoz i anba Social Program of Government?

I en antite ki i napa kad legal.

Ozordi i napa en kad legal, akoz i pa parey NISA, i pa parey SBC ki napa Lalwa.

E mon pa kapab konpran akoz i - Nou pa ankor fer en refleksyon lo egzistans Seychelles News Agency.
Mon lopinyon lo la, i se ki Gouvernman i seryezman konsider met News Agency avek NISA e leave in the online section of NISA.

E sa ki pou enteresan, akoz News Agency zot fer bann lartik telman enteresan, ki bokou dimoun zot servi for research.

So ou kapab ganny en receipt ek li.

So dimoun i click pou ou read the whole article, ou bezwen peye.

45 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Ou kapab annan en subscription par egzanp e i kapab anmenn larzan pou News Agency.
E deza laba i annan bann zournalis ki bezwen al fer lartik zot ekrir li de fason enn pou newspaper e enn pou online version.

So mon pledwari sa voyaz konman MNA ki sorti dan ruling party, se pou ki Egzekitiv i seryezman konsider en major reform lo size News Agency.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Minis a repon?.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou kestyon.

Annefe mon a reponn premye kestyon e SS i a pran dezyenm kestyon lo CARE.
I wi, i annan en refleksyon lo Seychelles News Agency.

E mon personnelman agree avek ou pwennvi, ki i annan en kantite sinerzi ki nou kapab etabli, si nou entegre News Agency avek vin striktir NISA.

So sa refleksyon annefe i al dan sa laliny.

E pou annan en lankadreman ki pou ganny anmennen boner lannen prosenn ki reflekte en pe sa thinking.

So nou pe al dan sa direksyon.

Mersi.

SS ou a pran dezyenm.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

SS?

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.


Mr Chair lo kote kestyon pou lo kote CARE, sa desizyon nou ti pran dan Mid-year Review si nou pou repran rapor ki nou ti soumet mid-year zot pou war sa virement 1.2milyon kot nou ti vire.

E sa desizyon se pou fer - akoz letan nou ti diskite avek CARE, zot pa ti ankor pare pou zot fer sa nouvo striktir ki lannen prosenn zot pa pou ganny Bidze direkteman dan Bidze.
Me zot ti demann nou en sipor adisyonnel pou zot kapab prepar zot e pou zot kapab revwar lo kote zot bann rent, pou fer zot kapab vin en pe pli soutenab.

So lagreman ki Cabinet ti deside se, wi pou sa lannen donn zot sipor adisyonnel.

Me selman lannen prosenn zot sipoze self-sustain, ouswa si zot bezwen sipor zot bezwen vin through the Grant Committee.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER 46 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Thank you.

Onorab Cosgrow?

HON WALLACE COSGROW Mersi Mr Chair.


Mr Chair mon annan kestyon lo de, de laliny premye laliny i sa laliny PV Rebate Scheme ki mon war zot pa’n met nanryen.

E pou mwan i al en pti pe against sa ki Gouvernman pe prese an term lenerzi renouvlab.

Mon war anba SEEREP Scheme - mon war SEEREP Scheme i annan pou fer avek lentere ki zot kouver, ouswa me PV Rebate Scheme mon pa war nanryen, petet SS i kapab dir nou akoz?
E dezyenm i temporary financial assistance - 20milyon 615mil, si SS i kapab dir nou ki sa i entail, vi ki nou annan financial assistance anba ASP, so ki sa i entail silvouple?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

SS.

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Lo kote PV Rebate Scheme nou pe travay avek Departman Lenerzi, pou restriktir en pe sa Scheme li menm.
En diskisyon ki nou pe diskite avek Departman Lenerzi lo kote – Par egzanp letan ou regarde, menm si sa Scheme ti egziste, the awareness campaign osi, dimoun pa ti okouran pou zot al rod sa loan avek bann labank.

So nou pa’n met en provizyon lannen prosenn.

Me selman nou pe travay avek zot pou revwar sa Scheme dan son totalite, an menm tan pou regard baze lo zot stratezi nasyonal in regards to renewable.
Secondly lo kote temporary financial assistance, sa i diferan avek provizyon ki nou’n mete lo kote ASP.

Sa i spesifik lo kote sa R500 financial assistance ki nou pe provide lo kote bann travayer dan Gouvernman, private sector avek SOEs.

Apre lo kote bann benefis.

E sa i spesifik just premye kar lannen prosenn Zanvye, Fevriye, Mars.

Apre ki once ki the salary increase i kick in, sa financial assistance i sorti e bann lezot benefis zot kontinyen ganny dan zot benefis sa R500 from April.
So parey dan Budget speech zot in anonse, this is why ki nou’n met zis sa provizyon 20.6.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER 47 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Wi Onorab, klarifikasyon?

HON WALLACE COSGROW Mersi Mr Chair.

Wi Mr Chair, so eski SS pe dir nou sa 20.6milyon pe ganny peye par ASP or … ?

MR SPEAKER Yes, annou les SS klarifye.

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Zis pou konfirmen sa i pou kot Minister Finans, kot Trezor.
Me selman nou travay konzwentman avek zot, akoz nou ganny bann lenformasyon baze lo kote kantite dimoun on a monthly basis.

So nou ganny lenformasyon sorti kot zot.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Wi?

HON WALLACE COSGROW Wi anvi ki sa i la dan Bidze e zot ki pe disburse, mon ti ava demann zot pou, pou sa voyaz ler zot peye, pey li en pe pli boner - par egzanp bann dimoun ki ganny zot pansyon.

Oubyen bann dimoun ki ganny dezabilite, ennler i ariv le 5 zot pa ankor ganny zot pti larzan e zot bezwen.
So si zot kapab pey li en pti pe pli boner.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Panel i a note.

Mon pa konnen si SS i kapab enform sa ki responsab?

Nou a pran kestyon Onorab Esparon?

HON REGINA ESPARON Mersi Mr Chairman.

Bonzour Minis ek ou delegasyon.

Mon ti zis anvi en klarifikasyon an sa ki konsern contribution to religious organization.

Mon’n war i annan en sonm 1milyon 500mil la.

Mon ti ava kontan Minis si ou kapab eksplik nou si ki paramet zot servi pou ed bann larelizyon anba sa sonm ki la?
Parske an se moman dan pei - san ki mon vin bias dan against okenn larelizyon oubyen groupman relizyez;- parske an se moman nou war en kantite bann groupman relizyon.

Larelizyon en boug i sorti Kenya i vini, i fer de semenn Sesel ,taler i pe ouver en legliz!

48 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 I dir ou i annan en legliz.

En lot boug i sorti laba Nigeria i vini, taler li osi i dir ou i annan son larelizyon.
Semenn pase apre Lasanble la dan krwaze Perseverance, en boug avek en pti speaker, en pti organ, i osi demen ou a tande poudir i pe ouver en larelizyon.

I a pe sante laba li - konpran mwan?

Konmsi ki paramet ki zot servi pou ed bann groupman anba sa sonm?

Sa i mon premye kestyon.

Dezyenmman letan mon pe al pli ba mon war poudir i annan en lot head la residential care service Roman Catholic Church.
La osi mon ti ava kontan konnen Minis si anba la i - si sa i ganny zere - sa sonm i ganny zere antyerman par legliz katolik.

Parske an se moman i annan en vizit ki ti madanm fek fer Ste Elizabeth, kot bann leser ti pe met devan nou ki leta zot, lenstitisyon ki mannyer i ete.

E zot war li difisil pou ganny ed pou kapab renovate zot landrwa.

Butterfly day care in bezwen fermen akoz i pa dan en bon leta.
Met bann zot pe met bann zanfan dan en pti zis en pti landrwa ki li menm li i deza i annan problenm akoz zot annan en kantite zanfan.

E sa servis pe ganny ofer pou bann paran, ki travay anvil ki annan zanfan.

Mon ti ava kontan konnen konmsi si sa sonm ki la osi, i kapab ganny zere pou lezot lenstitisyon relizye anba katolik, ki pa neseserman annan pou fer ek legliz - ki i en legliz?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Minis wi?

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou kestyon.


Mon a pran premye kestyon e dezyenm kestyon Ms Tamatave a pran.

Regarding contribution to religious organization;- pou le moman i ganny fer on a case-by-case basis.

Me parey ou pe dir, mwan osi mon share ou bann ou konsern ki ou annan.

Annefe SS i dir mwan i annan en konversasyon avek SIFCO, pou nou met en lankadreman ki a fer sa bann paramet, ki mannyer sa bann lasistans i ganny donnen.

Ki i dan en fason ki byen.


So nou anvizaze by next year ki sa i ava ganny met an plas apre sa konsiltasyon avek SIFCO.

Lo ou dezyenm kestyon mon a pas avek Ms Tamatave.

MR SPEAKER 49 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Yes Ms Tamatave?

COMPTROLLER GENERAL ASTRIDE TAMATAVE Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour Mr Chair.

Bonzour tou Manm Onorab.

Mersi Onorab pou kestyon.


Zis pou mwan azoute lo sa contribution to religious organization Onorab, i al anver kou konstriksyon ouswa renovasyon sa striktir li menm.

So i en maksimonm R500mil ki nou asiste bann legliz.

So letan par egzanp pou 2023 so far nou’n ganny de lenstitisyon ki’n soumet zot aplikasyon pou konsiderasyon.

E menm maksimonm amount ki Gouvernman i kontribye anba sa laliny ki R500mil.
In regards to residential care sa sonm li i pou reminerasyon bann travayer ki travay kot Fwaye Providence;- Fwaye Providence 1 ek 2.

Fwaye Nazareth, Missionary of Charity, Fwaye Morisco.

So sa i provizyon saler pou sa bann dimoun.

Thank you.

MR SPEAKER Wi Onorab annou al en pe vit.

Ou annan klarifikasyon?

HON REGINA ESPARON Wi Mr Chairman.

Zis en pti klarifikasyon oubyen en sizesyon.

An se moman Legliz Glacis kot mon en krwayan laba, i koule.
Nou pe ganny difikilte pou nou kapab raise fund pou nou kapab sanz nou twatir - savedir nou kapab fer en klarifikasyon pou nou ganny sa 500mil omwen, ki ava en konmansman pou nou kapab sanz sa twatir.

Parske la an se moman nou pe al antre dan letan lapli, nou pou dan problenm, parske nou pa kapab ganny sa kantite larzan ki nou bezwen, pou nou kapab sanz nou twatir.

Nou pou bezwen fer li lannen prosenn.


Nou pe fer en pledwari ki legliz Glacis i ganny ede enn fwa anba sa fund, pou nou kapab sanz twatir nou legliz.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Minis, SS i kapab?

Yes SS.

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Wi definitivman okenn legliz.

Selman par egzanp letan lo kote katolik vi ki zot annan sa pwen santral, zot bezwen fer li through Dyosez Victoria.

zot bezwen fer sa soumisyon endorsement ki nou fer sir ki i annan en synergy.
50 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Zot okouran zot osi ki pe arive e apre soumisyon i vin kot nou pou sa 500mil.

MR SPEAKER Thank you SS.

Onorab Lemiel?

HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL Mersi Mr Chair.

Mon war ki i annan serten progranm par egzanp anba sa bann lasistans ki bann groupman i gannyen - petet ti napa larzan.

Par egzanp SS letan mon pe regard New Born Scheme - hmm - lannen pase - sa lannen I mean – mon war R286mil - lannen prosenn i mont 1milyon.

Petet akoz sa logmantasyon?


Kwa ki pe fer zot ogmant sa?

Woman’s Trust Fund ti napa nanryen ladan lannen pase - sa lannen I mean.

Lannen prosenn mon war pe met 400mil - petet pou kwa sa increase?

Akoz zot pe demann sa?

Apre mon ti a kontan ganny en lesplikasyon lo Laptop Scheme sorti 3milyon pou vin 5milyon, eski zot pe mazin asiste plis etidyan dan pli ba laklas, or i zis akoz pri laptop in monte se sa ki zot pe fer monte sa pri?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Wi SS trwa sif pou eksplike la.


SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Premye lo kote sa New Born Savings Scheme, parey ou pe war tou le lannen nou’n met provizyon 1milyon baze lo kantite new born i annan apepre dan pei.

Me tandis ki letan mon krwar i annan ki bann paran zot pa servi sa bann dokiman pou zot soumet avek Seychelles Commercial Bank, pou zot kapab ganny sa benefis.
So sa i en keksoz ki kekfwa nou pou bezwen kapab diskit avek Minister Lasante, akoz zot sipoze once avan ki zot sorti lopital ganny sa bann dokiman.

E osi si zot pa’n pran, kekfwa ki bann lezot striktir ki nou met an plas ki within 3 a 4mwan ki zot fer zot aplikasyon avek labank, pou zot kapab fer open the bank account.

So sa i en striktir ki nou kapab diskite me selman nou, nou’n fer sir i annan sa provizyon, ki baze nou the birth rate ki pe arive dan pei.
Secondly lo kote Woman Trust Fund - sa parey ou pou war dan Bidze orizinal 2022, nou ti’n met sa provizyon me selman akoz zot pa’n servi li sa lannen, selman provizyon 2023 in ganny mete.

51 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Me selman provizyon 2022 sa in ganny tire, ki nou bezwen diskit avek sa Komite sa Fon.

Zot ti pe re travay en pe lo kote striktir li menm, pou regarde pou kapab konmans fer bann kominikasyon, pou fer bann endividi, ouswa bann groupman madanm fer aplikasyon.
So sa i nou bezwen kapab travay avek zot, pou fer sir kekfwa zot fer plis kominikasyon ki we are hopeful lannen prosenn ki zot servi sa provizyon Bidze.

Lo trwazyenm kestyon kekfwa mon a pas avek Ms Tamatave pou reponn lo la?

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

COMPTROLLER GENERAL ASTRIDE TAMATAVE Mersi Mr Chair.

In regards to Laptop Scheme, son Bidze inisyal ki R5milyon li, me selman ler nou’n fer revi bidzeter in desann par 3milyon baze lo laptop etidyan anba sa Scheme.
Me selman pou lenformasyon Onorab ziske to date, nou’n disburse 664 manrmay in ganny lasistans.

Ladan i 95 etidyan ki’n fer zot dezyenm aplikasyon, akoz apre 5an zot eligible pou reapplication akoz sa bann gadget son lifespan anba the Scheme is 5 years.

Me selman i annan en diskisyon.

Pou le moman i pe asiste manrmay S1 ziska pos-segonder.
I annan en diskisyon ki nou pe fer pou revwar sa Scheme lannen prosenn, an vi ki Minister Ledikasyon i anvi digitalize the educational system, pou regarde si sa Scheme i ankadre manrmay ki at en level en pe pli ba.

So i annan sa diskisyon ki pe fer ek Ledikasyon e petet lannen prosenn kapab war en, en lamannman dan sa Scheme.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you Comptroller.

Onorab Sandy Arissol.

HON SANDY ARISSOL Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour Minis avek ou lekip.


Mon pe get i annan en pti alokasyon parey labitid pou Seychelles Red Cross Society.

Mon ti a profite letan mon la poudir zot mersi avek sa pti alokasyon ki zot gannyen, toultan zot rann lakominote.
E nou Bel Ombre nou’n benefisye atraver bann pti donasyon ki zot in donn nou, spesyalman Mr Chair letan bann paran ti war sityasyon Covid devan zot laport, kot zot pa ti kapab sorti, me Red Cross ti toultan asire ki i ti annan en pti keksoz ki ganny aporte 52 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 atraver distrik kot sa bann dimoun.

Alor mon ti a kontan dir Red Cross mersi pou sa.

Mon kestyon ki mon ti a kontan demande se Scheme pou home improvement pou reroofing pou bann dimoun aze la.
Mon ti a kontan demann avek SS oubyen avek Minis, eksplik nou, i ankor on ongoing, i marse pou ki bann dimoun aze ki pe ekout nou deor, okouran poudir i annan sa Scheme ki zot kapab servi pou zisteman amelyor zot sityasyon zot lakour;- parey nou’n tann amelyor sityasyon bann legliz.

Be mon ti a kontan demann avek SS ki mannyer peyman pe ale?

E ki letan bann dimoun aze i vini i annan sa pti disbursement ki ganny fer, eski kontribisyon pe retournen?

Eski i ok kontribisyon?


Pou nou kontinyen kapab asiste lezot dimoun donn nou en pti kontrandi lo la.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Panel?

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Parey mersi Onorab pou sa kestyon.

Parey zot okouran sa Scheme i annan de konponan;- Premye i annan sa home improvement loan avek e sa i ganny fer direkteman avek HFC.

Home Improvement loan ki en maksimonm R50mil e apre i annan en reroofing loan maksimonm R100mil.

So sa de konponan e napa lentere lo la - i 0poursan.
E loan term i pou 7an.

E sepandan nou Gouvernman nou fer sa bout lentere sa ki subsidies.

So dan sa provizyon ki nou’n mete i sa subsidy ki nou mete lo kote lentere - e apre parey ou konnen ki Gouvernman i fer sa provizyon 25poursan of sa loan amount.

So, par egzanp si enn sa dimoun i fer sa demann R75mil, i annan en konponan ki HFC i donn zot that loan apre i annan en konponan as grant, ki zot pa repeye ki zot vin dan sa provizyon.
Lo kote 2021 - kekfwa pou donn zot en pe sif - lo kote 2021 lo kote sa home improvement loan ti annan 29 ka pou en total amount 1.45.

E reroofing ti annan 51 cases pou en total 2.1milyon.

Pou 2022 ti annan 42 case pou en total 2.1milyon e reroofing ti annan 17 pou en total 1.65milyon.

Me selman mon kapab find out avek HFC, si bann dimoun pe repey byen.

Selman mon prezimen ki mon krwar bann dimoun aze letan ou donn zot en loan, zot bann endividi ki pey byen zot loan.
Me selman nou kapab find byen avek HFC si i annan okenn non-performing loan anba lo sa Scheme.

Mersi.

53 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Vidot.

HON AUDREY VIDOT Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair mon premye kestyon i an referans osi lo sa home improvement ek reroofing.
Mon war sa sonm i kontinyelman reste parey, mon pe regarde si i deza an diskisyon avek petet finans avek HFC, pou war petet ki bann defi petet bann dimoun pansyoner pe rankontre pou zot ganny akse avek sa home improvement loan, akoz mon konnen i annan pa mal sa issue ganny dimoun pou garanti zot.

Petet war ki zot nouvo linisyativ ki kapab fer, pou fasilit zot ganny akse.
akoz i annan ki vre zot leta kondisyon lakour i vreman renovasyon, me pa kapab akoz zisteman serten kriter ki pe ganny difikilte pou ganny akse.
Apre dezyenm mon ti le konn en leklersisman - referans sa ki Onorab Esparon in dir pli boner, kot kontribisyon kot bann group relizyez, eski zot annan en mekanizm an plas pou asire ki i annan fairness ki letan ki zot pou regard bann by case-by-case basis, pou regarde lekel ki priyorite pou asire ki i annan en zistis lo lekel bann ki pe ganny akse, vreman ki bezwen, nesesit sa sipor finansyel?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Panel?

SS?

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.


Onorab definitivman kekfwa nou kapab travay avek HFC, pou war kekfwa si i annan okenn defayans, ouswa bann challenges ki zot pe rankontre.

E ki kantite case kekfwa ki zot pa’n ganny loan e ki bann rezon.

Sa nou kapab travay avek zot e kekfwa si nou bezwen revwar sa Scheme dan son totalite.

E sa i en travay ki nou kapab fer pou lannen 2023.


Secondly lo kote the kontribisyon ki nou fer lo kote religious organization, once ki nou ganny sa dokiman nou anvoy dan nou seksyon proze.

Ki bann project officers i avek the QS, zot fer en evalyasyon pou regarde si sa bann cost ki ganny estimen, i dapre bann cost benchmark ki par egzanp SIA in travay lo la e sa nou, nou osi diskite avan nou donn en larepons.

So i pa zis otomatik.


54 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Me sanmenm sa ki ennler mon dir i bon par egzanp lo kote katolik i pas lo kote santral, pou zot osi okouran avan ki zot ganny zot soumet sa - ki zot war en pe kekfwa lo priyorite over priyorite.

So i annan bann striktir ki nou diskite avek bann diferan parey sirtou avek katolik, ki nou fer sir nou at least i pa zis direkteman from distrik ki vin direkteman kot nou.

Menm si zot kapab cc nou.


Me selman pas lo kote santral avan zis pou zot kapab- Si zot anvi fer evalyasyon diskite avan i vin kot nou.

Me selman nou osi nou annan en striktir ki nou met an plas.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab klarifikasyon?

HON AUDREY VIDOT Mersi Mr Chair.

Zis en rekomandasyon osi, lo sa diskisyon ki petet zot kapab fer avek HFC, mon ti ava apresye si petet osi ler apre zot diskisyon annan osi en dyalog avek bann Ladministrater Distrik.
Akoz bokou fwa the first point ki bann dimoun i al tap laport se kot DA e pou rod sa gidans.

E zot, zot konn byen bann, bann challenges ki bann dimoun i gannyen.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

SS ou’n note oule fer en remark.

SS PATRICK PAYET Wi Mr Chair pwen note.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Pillay?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.


Mr Chair mon pou, mon pou premyerman mon pou pran lo sa de premye laliny dan sa Bidze, apre mon pou relate li avek sa kestyon ki’n ganny demande lo sa Reroofing Scheme ek Home Improvement Loan Scheme ki nou pe dir bann dimoun aze partake.
Petet mon pou fer en stetment la pa pran li mal - i pou difisil poudir ek bann dimoun aze osi vin devan pou pran bann loan, si zot santi poudir zot pa kapab cope;- zot pa pou kapab cope avek en repey loan an menm tan avek sa pti larzan ki zot gannyen.

55 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 E petet en pti logmantasyon pou bann dimoun aze, ti ava ede pou zot kapab vin devan pou kapab pran sa bann loan.
Prezan Mr Chairman, dan lespri ki nou pe koz en pti logmantasyon pou bann dimoun aze, mon vin lo sa de pwen pansyon ek sa special pension payment.

E petet ou ava permet mon parey Onorab Georges ti ganny sa loportinite taler pou ganny en pti pe konteks mon kestyon - e mon remersi ou pou akord mon menm privilez ki li i ti gannyen.

letan Gouvernman Angle oparavan, ki in travay en pe letan pandan Gouvernman ler in sanze apre lendepandans.
I annan plizyer dimoun ki’n travay pandan Me apre zot in retire me ler zot, zot ti retire, sa nivo saler ki zot ti retire lo la pou sa menm louvraz ki ozordi ki en dimoun pou retire lo la - nivo saler i vreman diferan.

Prezan ler zot pe ganny zot pansyon ki azout avek zot sekirite sosyal, i vreman minim.

E napa bokou dimoun - mon pe koz ou bann dimoun ozordi ki zot laz mwayen i 75 par lao 75an – ouswa 70an.
Eski dan zot travay ki zot in fer relasyon ek sa pension ek sa special pension - mon war zot in remet li preski menm amount, eski in annan okenn travay aprofondi ki zot in fer pou idantifye -nou annan en kous retrete dan sosyete ki ozordi avek zot konponan pansyon.

Zot konponan benefit which is sa sekirite sosyal, sa de ler i zwenn ansanm son amount i totalman diferan - par egzanp parey en dimoun ki’n fek retire petet dizon 1an, 2an pase.
Ki li pou menm louvraz son saler ti pou bokou pli diferan e son pansyon i diferan.

Eski zot in fer en travay?

Akoz mon pa war okenn logmantasyon dan sa, dan sa head.

Probableman zot pe go according to existing figures.

So mon pe met sa, sa pledwari devan zot.

Mon dezyenm kestyon i konsern sa home improvement loan e link li avek sa temporary financial assistance ki mon le Gouvernman pe donnen.
Malgre nou’n tann, nou’n tann plizyer prononsman lo la sa ki mon ankor pe tande, i annan still dimoun ki pa pe benefisye avek sa full R500.

Akoz ler ou azout sa de pansyon gross i par lao ou threshold pou li ganny R500.

Eski zot pe konsidere pou sa kategori dimoun, pou regard zot net ler ou azout sa de figure - sirtou mon pe koz ou bann dimoun ki par lao 63an la - pou regard zot net?
Akoz si ou pe gross li ou pran sa ki ou gannyen avek Pension Fund, ou pran sa ki gannyen avek Sekirite Sosyal - akoz bokou zot ler zot in retire, zot servi zot pti larzan pou aranz zot landrwa, pou zot ganny en pti pe plis konfor.

56 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 So prezan i pe fer ki bokou zot pa pe ganny akse ek sa R500 parey ou pe dir.
So eski i annan en travay ki nou’n fer pou regarde si from perspektiv, sa temporary financial assistance, nou kapab vin en pti pe pli stratezik, dan lafason ki nou asire bann dimoun ki’n travay ki annan en deserving case, pou zot kapab ganny en pe larzan?

Akoz nou pe met Mr Chairman -si nou pa tronpe - R20.6milyon dan sa basket pou ed sa bann dimoun.

Prezan anliny ek sa, i annan dimoun osi ki akoz pa pe kapab fer transfer par labank pa pe gannyen sa R500.
E la mon ti a kontan zot dir mwan si i annan en landrwa, kot i annan en lofis kot sa bann dimoun i kapab annan en landrwa kot zot kapab ale, anmenn zot case devan e sort out si i annan en eleman administrativ ki pe anpes zot kapab ganny akse avek sa temporary financial assistance?

Mon ava tenir lo sa de Mr Chairman.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Minis, wi?

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.


Onorab i annan ki’n preski finalize la mon kapab dir pou regarde en issue of a minimum retirement benefit – ok?

Parey ou konnen ozordi i annan sa ki ou gannyen ek Fon Pansyon, apre ou annan sa ki ou gannyen avek sa ki nou dir Gouvernman - sa ki nou dir Sekirite Sosyal.

Me the way it is now mon kapab dir i annan en lenzistis ok e mon a eksplike akoz.
Ozordi i kapab annan en dimoun ki sa ki i gannyen ek Pension Fund - i kapab pe ganny 15 a R20mil ek Pension Fund i still ganny R5mil750 avek Gouvernman ankor, ok?

Kestyon ou bezwen demande, eski fodre i merit ganny sa R5mil750 ek Gouvernman?

Ouswa ki nou fer se ki bann ki lo en pansyon pli ba, nou fer monte son benefis ki ariv en minimum level e sa enn ki pe ganny en pansyon pli o, li sa ki Gouvernman i donn li i desann -ok?
So sa en louvraz ki Minister e bann lezot lorganizasyon, stakeholders pe travay lo la, pou asire i annan plis lazistis sosyal in terms of annou, annou anmenn tou dimoun lo en minimum level e Gouvernman ki mannyer i kontribye ek sa.

E ki nou pe regarde la, i senpleman the striktir in fini more or less finalize - is what is that level.

What should be the minimum level of pansyon ki what en dimoun i eligible?
So sa mon krwar i 57 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 pou reponn ou kestyon in terms of sa minimonm retirement pension.

Lo kote R500 Polisi it was very clear ler nou’n setup e nou’n eksplike.

Nou, nou pe get the minimum income ki ou pe ki ou pe earn, ok?

Savedir ou bezwen pran tou le de.

Ou pa kapab pran zis enn ou lot.

E basically ki nou pe dir se ki, si ou ganny mwens ki R9mil, then ou ganny asiste.

E tou dimoun i merit anmenn kot lakour en minimonm R9mil.
Savedir si ou ganny total R8mil500 ou ganny ou full R500.

Si ou pe ganny R8mil600 ou ganny ou 400 ok?

Sa osi i bezwen annan osi en level of fairness.

Mon konnen kekfwa Onorab ou, ou dezagree avek sa prensip.

Me this is what nou’n kapab met an plas baze lo lanvlop fiskal ki nou annan, san kree serten unfairness dan sa process.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Wi Onorab.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mon’n ekout Minis.

Minis nou lo de diferan ekstrenm lo sa premye larepons.
Mon perspektiv i se ki si en dimoun in travay e i kontribye e sa entitlement i devret atraver kontribisyon en sistenm ki li in kree, i devret kapab pe benefisye avek sa sistenm ki li in kree;- sa servis ki li in donnen.

Me ou pa’n adres mon kestyon, akoz mon kestyon i adres en sityasyon ki egziste konmela.

Ou, ou le adres en problenm ki pe vini dan lonterm avek en Bidze 77.5milyon.

Mon kestyon i adres la;- par egzanp mon annan en msye ki reste Anse Etoile.
Mr Speaker mon dir sa, akoz sa lakantite dimoun ki annan i pa en kantite zot.

I bann dimoun ki dan en age group ki byento zot mazorite pe apros lamazorite 80 lannen.

E zot napa bokou letan - mon pa dir napa bokou letan me avek lagras Bondye, zot a viv bokou letan ek zot fanmir.

Me mon ti a kontan war ki zot lavi i vin en pti pe pli sa.

Bokou zot pa ti dan en kad travay.


Zot ti dan travay fonksyonner piblik ki sa letan fonksyonner piblik anba Gouvernman kolonyal, ler in transfer, i pa’n vin lo sa en nivo ki lapey en fonksyonner piblik ozordi.

E mon kestyon pou ou se, eski Gouvernman pou pare par egzanp pou pran lo en baz fairness - parey ou pe dir - pou regard nivo pansyon anba special pension ki sa bann dimoun pe gannyen, pou revwar sirkonstans e ed zot pou owe sa special pension.
58 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Mon konpran R500 ki mon pou vin lo la me eski Gouvernman i pare pou fer en legzersis koumsa, ki ava ede pou deal avek sa sityasyon.

Akoz i pa zot lafot zot in ganny anploye par en Gouvernman kolonyal sa bann letan.

Me pou ed sa lenzistis ki - zisteman akoz levolisyon dan sistenm i fer ki zot ler zot ti retire zot perdi lo sa baz.

Me zot ankor vivan zot ankor pe viv en menm pei.

Zot ankor pas dan menm laboutik.


Zot ankor pe go through menm keksoz.

E sa i a ed bokou zot kot nou pe pas kot zot lakour ozordi, kot 10an pase ou pas kot lakour sa msye ti byen annord, byen aranze, ozordi i pa pe kapab fer li.

Mersi Mr Chairman pou permet mon fer sa pti pwen.

Dezyenm pwen Minis mon le retourn lo bann mezir ki oule met en akse ek bann mezir loan sa group laz.

Mon’n koz en kantite pou long service - en kantite pou bann ki ankor pe travay.
Me mon oule met lanfaz lo bann ki’n nepli kapab donnen - ki’n travay.

I annan ki’n edik mwan - i annan ki’n travay pou plizyer lannen avek Gouvernman.

Ki mannyer nou ed zot viv en lavi an dinyite?

E la mon vin kot en pwen kot nou annan en diferans.

Mon konpran ou largiman lo fairness as a general one-size fits-all pou tou dimoun.

Me dan ou largiman fairness - ler ou met sa R9mil ki sa boug i anmenn kot li, ler in pran ou pti loan home improvement, i nepli pe anmenn kot li R9mil.
I pe anmenn kot li mwens ki R9mil.

Me ou Polisi pe fer ki en mezir ki ou anvi li i ganny akse avek, ou pa pe allow li pou li ganny akse avek.
So eski i annan - eski zot pare - lefe ki Gouvernman pa oule pronons son lekor lo en logmantasyon pou pansyon pou pansyon sekirite sosyal - mon pa kapab fors en deba lo la, akoz i pa dan sa Bidze e Speaker pa pou apresye - in donn mwan ase letan pou koz lo la - me eski ou, ou pou pare pou re regard stratezikman ki mannyer ou pe align ou temporary financial assistance, pou bann dimoun sa age group?

Ki zot pa pe kontinyen travay.


Zot pa pe fer ankor en pti louvraz pou fer en income, pou ou revwar si vreman ou pe tous zot avek ou mezir financial assistance?

Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis avan ou reponn, mon konnen i pa souvan ki Speaker i entervenir.

Me selman lo premye pwen Onorab Pillay i en pwen ki’n leve dan Lasanble dan lepase - bann - e sirtou mon konn detrwa teachers ki’n tonm dan sa kategori.
Petet mon kapab zis 59 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 sizere an sipor pwen ki Onorab Pillay in leve, ki si Minister - mon pa konnen lekel antite ki kapab fer petet en pti resansman, pou gete konbyen?

Ki kantite dimoun ki annan e gete si i annan en mannyer aziste?

Mon met sa parol zis an sipor bann dimoun ki’n apros mwan.

Par egzanp mon souvan dir ‘’bokou dimoun in dir mwan’’ – ‘’detrwa dimoun in dir mwan.’’ Minis mon a les ou kontinyen adrese.

Yes Minister?
Yes Minister?

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Onorab rezon akoz mon’n eksplik sa nouvo retirement benefit, akoz i direkteman enpakte sa bann dimoun, ok?

Parey ou aware ti annan sa bann dimoun ki ganny mon krwar R1000 apre ti increase the minimum sa to R3000.

The reason akoz mon’n eksplik the nouvo retirement threshold, se akoz bann dimoun pou ganny enpakte par sa.
Savedir sa threshold R3000 ki nou pe dir nou, se ki anba nouvo framework ki nou pe travay lo la, nou bezwen anmenn tou dimoun to a minimum level.

So whether that minimum level i R8mil, i R9mil, i R10mil, sa i rezon ki mon’n anmenn sa travay tousel akoz sa bann dimoun pou ganny enpakte par sa.

I vedir si zot ti pe ganny R3000 ler nou fer sa minimum retirement benefit level la, zot tou zot bezwen ganny eleve lo sa nivo.
So mon pa konnen si ou ganny mon se si sa - sa dimoun pou nepli - let’s say i ti pe ganny R3000 i pou nepli li - i pou ariv en minimum level - i kapab R9mil - i kapab R10mi - i kapab R8mil.

Sa i sel keksoz ki nou ankor pe diskite what is going to be that level i anba diskisyon, me i pou ganny enpakte pozitivman par sa par nouvo framework ki nou pe al met an plas lannen prosenn.

I hope mon’n reponn ou kestyon lo sa enn.

Lo kestyon - mon’n mank enn ou kestyon taler regarding bann labank.
I annan en sa ki nou’n met an plas ansanm ek Labank Santral, pou bann dimoun ki ganny difikilte pou ouver en kont ek labank.

Nou’n travay ek Labank Santral ki kapab facilitate sa avek Labank Komersyal.

So bann dimoun i senpleman - i annan limero kontak ki nou’n donnen ler nou’n fer nou bann interview sa lo sa size.

E sa bann dimoun i kapab call sa limero kontak e nou a lyez ek Labank Santral pou facilitate louvertir en kont.
Lo issue R500 mon konpran ou largiman, me at the end of the day zis parey sistenm welfare ki dan plas pou plizyer lannen, 60 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 sa osi i dir ou - serten kalite loan ki ou’n pran, i enpakte lo ou abilite pou ganny welfare.

So nou bezwen anmenn en sistenm en nivo fairness in terms of bann ki pa’n pran kredi - bann ki’n pran kredi, ki mannyer i enpakte.

So pou le moman pozisyon Gouvernman se ki, i get zis minimum income level ki antre.

Mersi.
Mersi.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY (Off-Mic) MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab akoz mon napa lot Manm ki’n lev lanmen nou pe al terminen.

Me selman mon a demann ou pou fer li kourt en.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mon pou fer li tre kourt.

Mr Chairman otour da latab la i annan trwa zenn Seselwa ki’n etidye ki’n vin bann eksper dan zot domenn respektiv.

Depi from Mr Commettant, Minis - i annan kat zot sorry pa trwa - kat zot enkli ou Minis ok?
Tou le kat zot in grandi dan en sistenm - dan en letan kot i annan en kantite dimoun ki’n travay avan, enkli Mr Speaker enkli mon manman ki ti en teacher ki’n pass away;- enkli papa Onorab Arissol.

Nou tou, tou sa bann dimoun in travay pou ki nou, nou ki la anndan ozordi.

E mon swiv pwen ki Mr Speaker pe koz lo la, ok?

Zot tou ki la anndan zot sharp, depi Jude, ou menm ou Minis, Patrick, Astride - zot sharp lo zot domenn.
Sa ki mon pe demann zot se nou past zot konsiderasyon teknik pran sa lapros ki Mr Speaker in demande.

Annou - i pa kout nou nanryen pou nou zis fer en pti resansman konbyen sa bann dimoun ki annan.

Zis annou etabli sa fact avan, apre nou a konnen ki mannyer nou pou proceed ek sa.

Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Wi oule adrese Minis, yes?

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.
Mersi Onorab.

Zis vitman - mon krwar nou telman dezagree nou de Leader Lopozisyon even ler nou agree i krwar nou pe dezagree.

Mon pe agree avek ou Onorab, pou dir ki nou bezwen get sa bann dimoun.

E annefe sa ki pe travay lo la i 61 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 pou positively impact lo sa bann dimoun ki nou pe koz lo la.

So nou pe agree nou.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you Minister.

Nou a pran vot lo Bidze Social Programs of Central Government pou en total R298milyon 200mil.
Manm ki an faver lev lanmen silvouple?

Thank you.

Okenn Manm ki vot kont?

Mersi.

Vot lo Social Programs of Central Government 28 Manm in vot pour, 0 kont e 0 abstansyon.

Mon annan plezir anonse ki Lasanble in aprouv sa Bidze.

Annefe sa ti de item pli konplike ki nou annan, leres i aktyelman ase senp.

OTHERS MR SPEAKER E Others, par egzanp i vreman senp.

SS ou a kapab zis dir sa menm pou benefis nou piblik.

SS PATRICK PAYET Mr Chair savedir nou pe pran Others la?

MR SPEAKER Wi annou pran Others.


SS PATRICK PAYET Ok. MR SPEAKER Akoz i ase senp.

SS PATRICK PAYET Others Mr Chair i lo paz 41 - pti 41 ki pou capital subscription to international organization.

E sa i pou en total R10milyon.

Ki nou’n war i pou de antite - i pou Labank Mondyal avek Labank Devlopman Afriken.

Tou le 3 a 4an, zot demann adisyonnel issuance of new shares e si en pei pa pran li i ganny afekte akoz son shares i desann.
E apre lo kote ki kantite loan i kapab prete avek sa bann lenstitisyon, son quota osi i desann.

So i annan en lavantaz.

62 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 E parey zot okouran pandan sa dernyen 3an, par egzanp si nou al lo kote Labank Mondyal - Labank Mondyal pou 2020 in pret Gouvernman 15milyon; 2021 - 35milyon e nou espekte resevwar 25milyon sa lannen.

E dan Bidze 2023 - 15milyon.

So en total R90milyon an total.


Pou Labank Devlopman Afriken AfDB in pret nou 2020 - 10milyon; 2021 – 20milyon.

Nou espekte resevwar 25milyon e actually Board in aprouve yesterday e nou espekte ganny sa larzan dan mwan Desanm.

E 2023 - 20milyon, ki en total 75milyon.

So avek diskisyon, zot in fer rekomandasyon pou tou pei annan bann additional capital subscription e Sesel in agree pou met 10milyon propozisyon dan Bidze 2023, pou en total $664mil831 ki ekivalan 10milyon.

Mersi Mr Chair.
Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Okenn kestyon lo la.

Onorab Pillay wi?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Premye kestyon mon a pran lo sa bann pre.

Fotespere Minis nou pa pe finans Bidze pei avek zis pre.

So mon- mon - yer nou’n fer en gran zoli performans avek SRC, so nou bezwen get byen sa bann pre ki mannyer i vini.

Me la ki nou napa tou lenformasyon, nou ava espere apre first quarter, pou nou ganny en pe lenformasyon.
An se ki konsern capital to subscription international organization mon ti a kontan zis demann Minister Finans en pwen, ou Konnen an se ki konsern Egzekitiv, tou sa ki zot subscribed to, zot kapab peye.

Lasanble Nasyonal parkont ki nou subscribed to - nou fek fer en desizyon la nou FPAC - ki nou merit kalkil seryezman si nou pou kontinyen avek SADCOPAC which is Southern African Corporation of Public Accounts Committees.
Akoz i pe demann nou en subscription $40mil, ki mon pa konnen si nou kapab peye anba nou Bidze.

So petet konsidere si zot kapab ed nou avek sa, akoz i pa en keksoz ki nou ti’n bidzete, akoz pa nou ki ti - Covid in vini nou kapab maintain bann subscription.

E bann Manm mon Komite pou perdi avek benefis ki zot kapab gannyen pou bann training ki ganny fer avek ADB, ki ganny fer avek lezot bann lenstitisyon lo nivo Lafrik, ki pre avek nou pou zot kapab attend.
63 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 So petet si mon kapab ganny en pti commitment avek Minister Finans, ki zot pou konsider demann Lasanble Nasyonal ler i vin avek sa subscription to bann lorganizasyon?

Mr Chairman mon kestyon lo sa capital subscription to international organizations, mon’n war poudir dan lepase i pa’n en keksoz ki’n ganny demande.

Ler mon pe get dan Bidze i pa’n la, ok?

So eski sa i en nouvo lapros ki bann bayer de fon pe servi?
E prezan over time konbyen nou espekte repeye e ki poursantaz nou espekte peye lo sa bann pre ki nou pe gannyen avek sa bann lorganizasyon?

Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Panel?

SS?

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Onorab lo kote capital subscription parey ou pou war, vre dan lepase nou pa’n mete zis akoz affordability ki nou ti napa.
I annan demann ki’n vini depi 2000 - depi last demann par egzanp ki ti vini 2018 Labank Mondyal ti fer, me selman akoz resours nou pa ti kapab subscribed.

Me nou’n war avek sa i, i afekte pret ki zot pret Gouvernman loan ki zot donnen.

E nou’n war ki nou osi bezwen kontinyen fer sir ki nou azour, avek nou kantite shares ki nou annan.
Letan ou regarde - par egzanp pandan sa de dernyen dan sa de dernyen 3an ki nou’n ganny larzan, nou pou war avek reveni par egzanp dan letan Covid - pandan letan Covid-19 ki sa trwa lenstitisyon Labank Mondyal AfDB apre IMF, zot ki’n kapab pret nou larzan pandan sa bann moman difisil.

So nou osi nou bezwen fer sir ki nou, nou quota i reste parey, pou ki si i arive avek en lot sityasyon ki nou kapab pret larzan.

Me lo kote zot bann term i vreman favorab.


Akoz par egzanp i apepre 1.5 a 2poursan e it’s a long term repayment.

I annan grace period osi ki donn nou ennler 5an.

E son term ennler i ale pou 20an- 25an.

So it’s vreman favorab lo kote term.

Lo kote souskripsyon parey zot in war dan Bidze, sa lannen 2022 i dernyen lannen ki zot in war dan sa vot santralize.

Pou lannen 2023 onwards to sa bann vot in ganny anvoye dan zot bann MDAs respektivman.
So sa i ava ed MDA’s osi pran en desizyon akoz nou ti pe travay avek zot pou war bann benefis ki egziste lo sa bann 64 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 souskripsyon pou international organization.

Me napa bokou ki’n donn nou sa assessment ki zot in fer.

Me nou’n anvoy kot zot dan zot Bidze, ki zot aprezan kapab pran en desizyon baze lo zot bann priyorite bidzeter.
Si zot war kekfwa sa souskripsyon zot pe annan sa benefis, zot kit li, ouswa si zot war i annan bann lezot depans ki zot anvi fer ki priyorite, zot kapab sanze e fer li.

Me selman nou agree i bezwen annan en prosedir ki egziste, espesyalman akoz nou pe fer li through Foreign Affairs;- ki sa osi nou bezwen kapab menm si sa bann souskripsyon i dan zot Bidze zot bezwen kapab fer li through Foreign Affairs osi.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Nou kapab vot lo la prezan?

Ou annan klarifikasyon Onorab.


HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Premye;- mon premye kestyon ler mon pe get term repeyman over 25 years, so nou pou annan en kantite travay, pou fer sir nou kapab repey tou sa bann loan.

E sa i pou tonm lo mwan pou en bonpe letan, akoz mon pou la pou en bon pe letan -pa la lo sa kote latab probableman nou pou State House sa bann letan.

Apre i pou tonm lo mon zanfan - sa i kler.


Me selman sa ki mon ti a kontan demann ou - ou’n dir nou i annan en grace period an relasyon avek sa bann ki la, ki grace period ki nou annan an relasyon avek sa bann ki ou’n nonmen spesifikman?

Prezan lo mon dezyenm pwen, si par egzanp nou FPAC nou angaz avek IAC e Lasanble Nasyonal i fer en travay avek IAC, pou nou kapab prezant zot avek en dokiman, ki montre nou bann nou rezondet deryer sa bann subscription?
Vi ki zot pa’n bidzet sa pou nou la, eski Minister Finans pou siport demann bann Komite Lasanble, ki ava annan en lesanz avek tel lorganizasyon, pou donn nou serten sipor from Minister Finans pou nou kapab kouver sa bann souskripsyon?

Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis wi.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN 65 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Onorab zis lo kote det - pou premye kestyon - det napa nanryen mal ek det.
Ou bezwen konnen ki kalite det ki ou pran, ok?

E ki legzersis ou’n war nou’n fer pandan sa 2an, se nou’n extend peryod det e redwir kou det.

Ler ou dan domenn finansman this is what you do.

Ou pa pran short term debt expensive debt - ou pran long term cheaper debt.

Sa annefe ki nou’n fer ki ozordi det pei i lo en trazektwar pli soutenab.

So dan sa pti posibilite, si ou la pandan 25an, mon krwar ou ava kontan sa travay ki nou’n fer Onorab.
Lo ou dezyenm kestyon ki ou’n leve, lapros ki nou, nou pran Minister Finans ki nou dir annou gete lo subscription ki lanvlop ki nou annan ok?

Ki lanvlop ki nou annan an total.

E baze lo la nou, nou donn - be it Egzekitiv - be it Lezislativ - be it Zidisyer, nou dir la, la this is lanvlop ki nou annan prezan ou priyoritiz dapre ou needs lekel ki pli enportan.

Akoz sa largiman nou pa fer zis ek Lezislativ even ek lezot MDAs dan Egzekitiv nou dir zot menm keksoz.
Se ki nou pa kapab zwenn tou lorganizasyon ki nou anvi, ok?

Akoz i annan en kou finansyer ki vin avek e i annan en kou resours imen ki vin avek, akoz ou bezwen partisipe ler ou ladan.

So baze lo la tou antite i bezwen fer son analiz e then gete lekel ki priyorite pou li.

Sa i nou pozisyon Minister Finans.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Bon nou a vot lo sa Bidze Others R10milyon Manm ki an faver lev lanmen silvouple?

Thank you.

Okenn Manm ki vot kont?

Mersi.


Lo sa laliny Others 28 Manm in vot pou, 0 kont e 0 abstansyon.

Bidze i aprouve.

CONTINGENCY MR SPEAKER Mon sipoze sa de ki reste osi nou a pran li enn par enn.

Contingency R50milyon SS ou a donn en pti leksplikasyon?

SS PATRICK PAYET Mr Chair lo kote Contingency nou’n met sa provizyon R50milyon e parey Minis in anonse dan Bidze nou annan konpansasyon pou pei e pou Praslin the PUC.
Apre secondly i annan bann konpansasyon ki devan actually i annan Departman Kiltir, 66 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Ledikasyon ek Lasante konsernan fungus.

So nou anticipate premye kar lannen prosenn pou nou peye.

E parey zot pe regarde dan Bidze, dan Bidze 2024, nou pa’n kapab afford pou met konpansasyon pou La Misère dan Bidze 2023 - nou’n met dan Bidze 2024 parey in anonse.
So anba Contingency nou’n met en provizyon R50milyon, pou kouver en pe sa bann konpansasyon ki devan nou.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Kestyon - Onorab Henrie?

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Mon kestyon i ava vin sa kestyon konpansasyon.

Mon konpran bann dimoun in ganny afekte par en keksoz, i bezwen ganny en konpansasyon.

Selman to move forward ki mannyer nou pe mazin zer sa sityasyon?

Par egzanp bann kalite building ki nou fer, pou asire ki napa sa problenm fungus ankor?
Ouswa La Misère konmsi kan nou pou the final end to this saga.

Akoz ler 50milyon i ganny pran i pey pou konpansasyon, se mon dimoun dan Lenn ki pran li 15an pou ganny en bus shelter.

Ouswa pou semen Mont Buxton pave, ouswa pou fer bin site, ouswa met lalimyer.

So whilst sa bann endividi i ganny en keksoz lo nivo personnel, me kominote avek pei i perdi.

So ki mannyer nou manage sa a lavenir ki nou perdi lakantite larzan ki Gouvernman pe depanse dan konpansasyon?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Minis?


MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Onorab ou konsern i zistifye e i en konsern ki mwan, mon annan sa konsern.

Se ki konpansasyon lo li menm i comes out of en sityasyon ki nou’n fail, ok?

Annou, annou pran sityasyon fungus;- e sa i en gro kou lo Gouvernman.

E i arise dan en sityasyon kekfwa kot building pa’n byen maintain; kekfwa osi arsitektir or design sa bann building pa soutenab, pa adapte par nouvo, nouvo sityasyon ki nou ladan.
Par egzanp bann building ki pa’n ganny fer ek aircon, me ozordi ou war aircon ladan e sa ki encourage the growth of fungus.

So solisyon pou sa se, fer, regarde ki enn;- ki mannyer nou adapte tou nou existing building ,pou redwir risk fungus.

67 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 So la ou pe koz ensuring ki ou invest dan proper ventilation sistenm e bann lezot mezir ankor ki anpes fungus.
E sa kot mwan, mon pe met en kantite lanfaz, se ki mwan personnelman mon santi ki i annan bokou neglect ki’n arive lo lenfrastriktir dan Gouvernman, ki’n lead to bann issues parey fungus.

Me osi ki ou bezwen regarde se ki bann nouvo building ki nou pe fer, i bezwen adapte ek sa nouvo realite e nou take into account sa bann issues.

Par egzanp ler nou pe re regard library pe ganny re refer, nou’n asire poudir son sistenm vantilasyon i annan extraction and pushing of fresh air into the building.
Ki the miray mannyer in ganny trete, i pa ankouraz growth of fungus.

So, so tou i bann eleman ki nou bezwen fer dan bann nouvo design building, ki redwir sa bann posibilite pou konpansasyon.

Akoz, So si fungus dimoun lasante in fini ganny afekte.

Ler ou pey en konpansasyon sa i en fer larzan, me ou lasante in fini ganny afekte.

Napa en pri lo, lo lasante.

So sa i the way ki mon, mon pe regard problenm.


So ou bezwen vreman be proactive in terms of ki mannyer nou manage bann building - maintenance e design nouvo building.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Sandy Arissol?

HON SANDY ARISSOL Mersi Mr Chair.

Mon le retourn lo sa pwen konpansasyon.

Mon kontan pou aprann poudir bann zabitan Baie Ste Anne pou ganny zot konpansasyon - sirtou bann ki reste zalantour power station PUC ki ti la.
Mon pe dir sa akoz mon rapel sete Mr Philoe - en zabitan Baie Ste Anne, i ti vin war Onorab Ramkalawan sa letan pou eksprim en pe sa.

E Onorab Ramkalawan ti anmenn sa Mosyon dan Lasanble Nasyonal - mon byen rapel - en gran diskisyon lo la.

E mon ti a kontan felisit li pou sa.

E tou bann lezot - bann Onorab osi – lezot dimoun ki’n kontinyelman anmenn sa larger pou dimoun Baie Ste Anne.

E i annan dimoun Baie Ste Anne ki’n reste la ki pa pou zanmen ganny zot konpansasyon.
Parske Sanmdi mon annan en Madanm Bellard pe antere.

So … Alor mon ti a kontan dir bann dimoun Baie Ste Anne o mwen, zot a ganny en keksoz.

Parey Minis in dir ou lasante i afekte me 68 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 selman i ava annan en pe bokou pli zenn, zot ava o mwen al fer en tes medikal avek zot konpansasyon.

Alor felisitasyon pou tou bann dimoun ki’n lager pou anmenn sa pou dimoun Baie Ste Anne.

Mon dezyenm pwen lo la se an relasyon avek SPTC Mr Chair.
Letan mon war i annan domestic financing pou SPTC mon anvi zis dir avek Minis - donnen letan zot pe koze … (Off-Mic) MR SPEAKER So mon krwar i pe dir - i pa dan Contingency?

HON SANDY ARISSOL Non i pa ladan.

MR SPEAKER Non.

HON SANDY ARISSOL Ok yes ok i tonm pli ba.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Ok well mon asire panel in not ou rekomandasyon e ou sipor pou dimoun Baie Ste Anne.

Mon a demann kestyon Onorab Roucou?

HON MICHEL ROUCOU Mersi Mr Chair.

Minis bonzour.

E bonzour tou dimoun a lekout.


Minis mon kestyon i koumsa mwan en – an vi ki konpansasyon espesyalman sa bann problenm fungus in la pou bokou letan.

E i annan dimoun ki dan lepase zot osi zot ti pe sey fer deboury apre ki zot in ganny afekte, ki petet pe dir anmenn dokiman anmenn tou keksoz neseser, papye dokter ki’n pran bokou letan - ki zot, zot in malgreman ki zot in passed away la.

E ki mannyer sa pou marse eski zot fanmir ki zot pou bezwen vin devan?
Zot fanmir ki pou ganny kontakte?

Ki mannyer i pou marse?

Eski zot sa - sa once sa dimoun in passed away sa i tonbe - ki mannyer sa?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Minis.

69 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Onorab nou, nou note sa sityasyon nou ava diskit avek Biro Attorney General si i annan posibilite ki zot heirs i benefisye.

Sa i en keksoz ki nou ava diskite avek Biro Attorney Zeneral.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Minis.

Onorab Pillay?


HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman vi ki nou pe koz lo sa size konpansasyon an premye lye, mon ti a kontan zis nou fer en stock- take tou bann konpansasyon.

Eski Minis i kapab dir nou - si ou annan lenformasyon - mon prezimen zot bezwen annan - tou bann konpansasyon ki sipoze somewhere along the line i avek AG’s Office i due.
Depi konmansman La Misère pou ki ler mon ti zwenn avek detrwa dimoun laba zot pe koz mwan en konpansasyon ki ti ankor outstanding?

Apre ou’n mansyonnen poudir i pou ganny peye.

Mon le felisit Onorab mon Churchill Gill pou anmenn mon krwar trwa Mosyon - kat ekek kestyon, pou met presyon pou fer ki sa i ganny materyalize pou bann konpansasyon pou bann dimoun Baie Ste Anne.

E mon krwar dimoun Baie Ste Anne i fyer sa swa ki zot in fer pou met Onorab Gill dan Lasanble, pou reprezant zot.
So Minis si petet si ou kapab dir nou eski sa lanvlop ki la pe kouver tou bann demann ki ou’n gannyen, enkli fungus, enkli lot?

Prezan ler nou regard sa bann ki relye avek recent devlopman, eski Contingency osi pe prevwar okenn konpansasyon an relasyon avek travay, sityasyon ki’n arive dan travay, ki pa relate avek, avek fungus, swa en keksoz polisyon, environmental, oubyen lasante eksetera?

Sa i mon premye kestyon.


Mon dezyenm kestyon an relasyon avek Contingency, ou konnen Konstitisyon ler i koz lo Contingency, Konstitisyon i prevwar Contingency i devret vin anba en Lalwa.

E ler pou li pe ganny depanse, Minister Finans i sipoze vin kot Lasanble pou rod aprouvasyon, pou depans larzan lo Contingency.
Eski Minis pou pare going forward, pou nou swiv sa prosedir konstitisyonnel e pou fer ki en Lalwa ki prevwar pou Contingency - akoz ler pou replenish Contingency, ou pou bezwen retourn kot nou, ok?.

70 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 So eski ou kapab fer sa akoz mon pa krwar PFM Act, ki adres li parey Konstitisyon ti annan lentansyon.

PFM Act i, i kre en kondisyon, me nou ti a kontan war en pli gran kontrol lo Contingency.
Akoz ozordi parey nou’n set out pou konpansasyon - i byen nou’n set out pou serten depans - i byen.

Me ler nou set out pou Gouvernman i anvi donnen i pa akoz Contingency ki kapab zis al dan sa Contingency.

Then sa i vin konman en Bidze adisyonnel e prezan i pa ganny reflekte dan end of year lezot Minister.

E ler nou pou nou Lasanble nou pe get depans bann Minister, nou pa ganny sa correct amount ki’n ganny depanse.

Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Minis.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.


Mersi Onorab.

Mon a pran dezyenm - well zis en pti remark - nou pa tro pran presyon sorti kot Parti US parey mon ti dir dan mon repons.

Size konpansasyon Baie Ste Anne, se Prezidan Ramkalawan ki ti ensiste avek mwan personnelman ki sa i ganny peye zis pou ou lenformasyon - e lenformasyon pep Seselwa.
(APPLAUSE) MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Lo trwazyenm kestyon ki ou’n raise regarding the Contingency mwan, mon konprenezon se ki i annan provizyon dan PFM Act ki empower the Contingency.

Me nou kapab tout ankor fer en diskisyon AG’s Office.

I bezwen annan additional laws ki bezwen pase.

Me sa i mon konprenezon, me sa mon ava demann AG si i annan nesesite pou sa.

At the same time FPAC i still annan sa oversight lo fon ki ganny servi anba Contingency.
Lo trwazyenm kestyon ki ou ti demande regarding konpansasyon.

Mon ava zis demann SS si i annan sa lenformasyon.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Minis.

SS?

71 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Lo kote Ledikasyon, Kiltir, Health Care Agency avek PUC Praslin, i annan en total maksimonm 54.5milyon – maksimonm.

However sa i exclude peyman La Misère.

Peyman La Misère nou’n met li dan Bidze 2024 ki pou en total 38.8milyon - 38.8milyon.
Me sepandan parey zot konnen pou La Misère, i annan sa second phase ki ti annan demann bann lezot endividi ki pa ti dan sa premye faz, sa nou bezwen travay avek Attorney Zeneral pou zot fer evalyasyon lo sa bann demann.

So sa pou le moman nou pa’n enkli li.

Apre trwazyenm konponan ki Onorab in demande lo kote provizyon ki, ki nou’n mete.
Wi i annan en provizyon ki nou mete, par egzanp si i annan okenn bann lezot konpansasyon ki annan par egzanp endividi ki an deor sa bann ki nou’n mete, ki’n anonse dan Bidze.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Wi, Onorab silvouple, mon bezwen demann ou pou fer li vit akoz … HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Avek gran plezir mon ava fer li pli direk posib.

Premyerman an se ki konsern ledikasyon tou sa bann antite ou’n nonm mon en sif 54.5milyon.
Apre ou’n nonm mon La Misère 38.1milyon e ou annan dezyenm faz ki pe go according to, to AG’s Office.

E mon pran parol Minis ki FPAC in donnen, prenan kont ki sa i en dokiman ki pe vin en lenformasyon piblik eventually, eski mon kapab premyerman ganny en langazman ek Minister Finans ki zot pou travay lo en breakdown avek en timeframe?

ki sa i ava anvoy kot Lasanble atraver Deputy Clerk e i ava ganny disiminen avek bann Manm FPAC ki zot kapab ganny sa lenformasyon, pou nou follow-up lo la.
Akoz sa i en lenformasyon ki zot kapab donn nou.

Prezan dezyenmman an relasyon avek sa second phase ki ou’n dir mwan pou La Misère e pending ek AG’s Office, eski zot annan en prozeksyon letan lo kan ki sa i kapab terminen, pou zot kapab move avek sa peyman konpansasyon?

E mon not pwen Minis ki Prezidan in li Prezidan in demann li e in dir li fer, mon konpran.

Be mwan, mon krwar i bezwen atraver presyon ki Prezidan in gannyen avek US pou fer li fer sa.
72 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 MR SPEAKER Mersi.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY … so mon krwar i reste relevan travay ki nou pe fer.

Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Ok. Minis annan de pwen presedan ki si ou annan pou adrese?

Minis oubyen panel?

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mersi Speaker vi ki LOTO pe met presyon, mon ava pas laparol avek SS.

Mersi.

(laughter) MR SPEAKER SS?

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.


Wi lo kote sa 38milyon, i deza dan Bidze 2024 akoz sa i ti sa dezyenm konponan ki nou ti pey zot premye konponan.

Me tandis ki sa dezyenm group endividi ki ti’n vini e sa nou ava regarde avek AG sa timeframe, apre nou kapab advise Lasanble Nasyonal.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Aglae eski ou ti annan kestyon ou osi?

Ou ti’n lev lanmen?
Ou ti’n lev lanmen?

Ok dan sa ka mon ti ava zis demann Bills Committee pou retard zot miting en pti gin zot kapab - oubyen si zot prese zot kapab sorti, mon a kontinyen avek sa.

Si nou retarde mon kapab extend letan break en pti gin koumsa zot a kapab fer zot biznes.

Mon a pran kestyon Onorab William.

HON WAVEN WILLIAM Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman zisteman an relasyon avek konpansasyon La Misère.

Mon anvi demann avek Minis ouswa konman en averti par lefe avek FA4JR nou ti war labi.
73 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 So mon pe fer en pledwari avek Minis ki sa bann claim ki deza devan, si en travay i kapab ganny fer davans davantaz pou eklersi sa lalis, akoz i pa pou normal ki serten dimoun i ganny konpansasyon ki pa merite, akoz i annan en ta keksoz ki’n pase anba ansyen Gouvernman, vizavi sa lalis.

So mon ti ava demande ki sa lalis i ganny reverifye ankor, ki bann dimoun ki konnen ansanm avek Attorney Zeneral i ganny enplike.
Akoz si non, nou ava pe depans bann larzan avek bann dimoun ki pa merite.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

En kestyon senp.

SS wi?

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Pwen note.

Definitivman nou a travay avek Departman Internal Audit Minister Finans ansanm avek Attorney Zeneral.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Tre byen.

Bon nou a fini avek Onorab Aglae.

HON EGBERT AGLAE Mersi Mr Chair.


Minis oubyen SS mon le en leklersisman an term bann diferan konpansasyon ki pe ganny donnen - anliny ki osi i annan bann konpansasyon ki lye avek bann - sirtou bann later baze lo bann proze ki Gouvernman i fer lo later prive sirtou; - Mon konnen dan lepase ti annan en vot anba Minister Land Use and Habitat.

Mon krwar ti apepre 20milyon par lannen ki ti ganny mete, eski li i pe tonm ladan ouswa i tonm dan en lot pou …?
Akoz i annan bann dimoun ki ankor pe esper - Zot in donn zot later fer semen proze, me zot ankor pe esper konpansasyon?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Panel SS.

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Wi i annan anba MLUH 20milyon pou anba land acquisition.

So i pa en provizyon anba Contingency i tonm anba.

Mersi.

HON SANDY ARISSOL 74 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 (Off-Mic) MR SPEAKER Wi, wi?

HON SANDY ARISSOL Mersi Mr Chair.


Mon ti anvi zis ganny en pti klarifikasyon, anvi ou pe dir ek bann Manm Bills Committee zot kapab ale, eski …?

MR SPEAKER Nou pe terminen la.

HON SANDY ARISSOL Anr zis mon ti pe demande.

MR SPEAKER Wi nou pe terminen la, pa trakase.

HON SANDY ARISSOL Ok. MR SPEAKER Wi mon konnen akoz i annan en lot item la.

Me selman vi ki menm panel, i fasil pou nou pran li apre midi - i napa problenm.

Ok la nou a vot lo Bidze pou Contingency pou 50milyon.
Manm ki an faver lev lanmen silvouple?

Mersi.

Okenn Manm kont?

Lo vot pou Contingency 25 Manm in vot pour, 0 kont, 0 abstain.

Sa Bidze in aprouve par Lasanble.

Bon nou ava aret la.

Nou ava extend lunch break pou ziska 2er15.

Nou ava donn zot zis en detrwa minit pou ratrape.

Minis, panel nou a rezwenn apre midi 2er15.

Mersi.

(BREAK) TAX EXEMPTION MR SPEAKER 75 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Bonn apre midi tou dimoun.
Nou a repran kot nou ti kite avek Tax Exemption ki lo paz 5 ek 6 pou en Bidze R10milyon.

SS ou pou fer remark.

SS PATRICK PAYET Bonn apre midi Mr Chair, tou Manm Onorab e tou dimoun ki a lekout.

Mr Chair sa provizyon 10milyon parey nou’n mete lo paz 5 avek paz 6, i 5milyon anba customs duty exemption apre 5milyon anba VAT.

Sa i en provizyon ki nou mete si i arive evantyalite ki i annan en don ki nou resevwar, ki dan lagreman ki annan en exemption ki nou, nou bezwen peye.
Me si kekfwa nou pa’n met provizyon bidzeter dan en respective MDAs.

So si pa ganny servi, i en savings a lafen lannen i arive, me i zis en provizyon ki nou mete.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Kestyon Manm?

Onorab Pillay?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Byen, byen vit Mr Chairman.

Ler, ler ou dir mon i pa ganny servi en savings kote i ale?

Akoz kwa ki dir mwan poudir apre ki i pa’n ganny servi, Gouvernman pa pran li anvoy li laba pou pey en zafer ki pa’n fini peye.

Ki mannyer nou pou konnen?

Mersi.


MR SPEAKER Mersi.

SS ou a eksplike please.

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Onorab parey ou okouran ki i en, i en Code ki ou pa kapab fer virement.

I pa parey lezot Code dan bann Minister ki ou kapab allow for virement.

I en Code ki ou pa kapab fer virement.

Si par egzanp dan Mid- year Review nou war ki nou pa pe servi i kapab vin en budget cut.

Me selman ou kapab donn Bidze adisyonnel dan en lot depans.
So definitivman si nou pe redwir li e fer en lot depans dan en lot Minister nou pou bezwen vin devan Lasanble.

So i pa en vot ki ou kapab fer virement ki Gouvernman i kapab pey bann lezot depans.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER 76 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Mersi.

Sa in ganny eksplike napa okenn Manm ki annan lot kestyon alor nou a vot lo sa Bidze.

Tax Exemption R10milyon tou Manm ki an faver lev lanmen silvouple?

Mersi.

Okenn Manm ki vot kont?


Lo Bidze pou Tax Exemption 24 Manm in vot pour, 0 kont, 0 abstansyon.

Sa Bidze Lasanble in aprouve.

NET LENDING, DEVELOPMENT GRANT TO PUBLIC ENTERPRISES AND SUBVENTION TO PUBLIC ENTERPRISES NET LENDING MR SPEAKER Bon nou a kapab nou a bouz lo prosen seksyon.

E premye se Net Lending ki lo paz 41 pou en total R265milyon 228mil.

SS en pti leksplikasyon?

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair parey zot war anba Net Lending dan Bidze i pe demontre 140milyon.
Me sepandan nou, nou pe vin devan Lasanble pou demann larzan pou depanse i 265 - sa parey zot pe war ki i annan bann larzan ki pe ganny rann par bann antite ki nou’n prete.

Anba Net Lending i bann lagreman ki nou, nou’n pran bann loan avek bann partner.

Me sepandan nou’n fer bann lagreman avek bann antite Gouvernman pou repret zot.

So i on lend to them apre zot bezwen repey nou dapre lagreman ki nou’n sinyen.
E mazorite sa larzan i pou PUC - i pou bann proze swivan;- Premye proze anba PUC i 33UV Network Enforcement Project sid Mahe.

E sa i 97 konplete nou espekte fini sa proze le 30 Mars 2023.

Aktyelman i en loan avek Saudi Fund, $20milyon e BADEA 11milyon e Gouvernman in met $5milyon.

I en loan ki nou’n sinyen an 2015.

Ti annan en grace period 5an e 2039 son maturity e son lentere ti on average 2.5poursan.
Dezyenm konponan se danm La Gogue;- danm La Gogue nou espekte - pou le moman i 87poursan konplete - e nou espekte by Desanm konplet sa proze.

Me selman akoz i annan defects liability period, nou espekte extend sa proze ziska le 31 Mars 2023.

Nou’n 77 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 annan en diskisyon avek AfDB e sa i en loan ki nou’n pran avek AfDB pou lavaler $20.6milyon e as apartir Oktob nou’n disburse $17.5milyon.

E sa loan nou’n sinyen an 2015 - maturity date 2034.
Nou’n ganny en grace period 5an.

Lentere i LIBOR plus en margin 0.6.

Lot proze anba PUC i the Water Sanitation Project Neptune.

I pou en lavaler €54.6milyon e sa i avek EIB, AFD e ADF e Gouvernman osi.

Sa proze nou espekte li - i annan bann diferan proze anba sa proze Neptune - e mazorite sa bann proze in konplete me i annan ki ongoing.

Par egzanp the Mahe-La Digue Waste Water System sa i ongoing.

Apre the upgrading of Hermitage-Cascade waste water Treatment Plant sa i ongoing.

Mersi Mr Chair.
Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Kestyon Manm?

Wi Onorab Aglae i kapab konmanse touzour.

HON EGBERT AGLAE Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonn apre midi tou dimoun.

Lo kote PUC Minis ouswa SS, an vi ki li i enn lakonpannyen ki ankor annan bann - baze lo son loperasyon i neseser pou li moderniz son bann lenfrastriktir - sa nou konnen.

Me selman an vi ki i pe abzorb en kantite sa bann gro loan -menm bann konponan lokal ouswa enternasyonnal.
So eski i annan petet en plan etale pou dir kan ki PUC i kapab war li at least son repeyman, son bann det?

E osi kot in ariv en nivo kot i pa pe bezwen al borrow sa kantite larzan.

Pou nou kapab petet demen ki fer ki PUC i kapab osi donn rediksyon son konsonmater ki baze lo servis ki i pe donnen osi?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Minis.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Onorab sa i tou depan lo tarif ki PUC i sarze.
Si PUC i cater pou son operational cost apre son investment needs, savedir tarif i o pou li cater lo li menm.

So i annan legzersis ki pe regarde kwa ki Gouvernman i donn PUC konman grants.

E kwa ki PUC lo li menm 78 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 i, i kapab generate enough income pou li fund son bann social investment requirement i need.

E parey ou konnen i pou masiv.

Nou pa pe koz zis elektrisite, me network delo - nou pe koz extension sewage system.
Ler ou pe get pou kouver antye Mahe with the centralized sewage system nou pe koz ou en investment apepre R2bilyon.

So tousala i bezwen ganny regarde ki fason ki efektiv ki PUC i kapab raise funds pou li invest dan sa bann proze.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Wi Onorab, ou klarifikasyon?

HON EGBERT AGLAE Minis mon konpran ou, ou larepons.

Sa ki mon anvi konnen se plan lonterm.

Parey ou pe nonm sa bann lezot gro proze.


Savedir ki fer ki eski de la - 15an ouswa 20an, ki nou pou war PUC, petet avek bann modernizasyon lenfrastriktir etale avek sa bann loan, ki i pou bezwen, ouswa sa bann grant ki i pou bezwen?

So eski i annan en plan etale lo la?

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis.


MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Wi i annan en plan i, i parey mon pe dir annou, annou get diferan sekter - si ou get elektrik ok, Gouvernman i fini commit poudir serten kantite nou bann prodiksyon elektrik i pou bezwen renewables, ok?

Ki mannyer nou ariv lo sa poursantaz?

Ki investment ki bezwen ganny fer?

E obviously Gouvernman lo li menm pa pou zanmen kapab fer tou.
E la, la kot nou bezwen regard bann PPPs ki mannyer investment from private sector i kapab vin dan sa equation, pou ultimately anmenn nou ki bor nou devret ete.

Parey menm pou delo.

Ok nou ankor pe servi - in terms of storage plizyer lannen nou storage pa’n increase.

La nou ava avek danm La Gogue ki ler i konplete nou a sa.

Me nou napa lezot sa.

So i annan en plan lenvestisman.

Kestyon ki nou bezwen demande, ki mannyer nou finans li?

Sa i kestyon fondamantal.


I annan plizyer opsyon so nou bezwen tal tou keksoz lo latab e evalye ki opsyon i meyer pou pei.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER 79 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Thank you.

Onorab Pillay?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Si nou admet ki kapasite pei pou ganny akse ek sa bann loan i baze lo performans ekonomik pei.
E performans ekonomik pei i ganny dirize par sa ki son pep - son Nasyon i zenere atraver son travay, son prodiksyon pou li permet son Gouvernman, envestir dan bann keksoz ki redonn li en servis.

Prezan si mon swiv ou largiman Minis - si ou largiman i zis pirman en largiman biznes, i fer sans.

PUC i bezwen fer depans alors i met en tarif e sa tarif se konsonmater ki peye, pou PUC raise son larzan pou kontinyen fer son depans.

Me malerezman ou pa kapab toultan regard Gouvernman pirman konman en biznes.
Gouvernman i osi en antite sosyal, ki annan en fonksyon sosyal.

E i bezwen al ver en byennet sosyal osi.

E si dan sa konteks ou bezwen al ver en byennet sosyal - e ou pe dir ek ou Nasyon travay plis e sa moman ou war poudir ou tarif par egzanp pe kree stress lo ou Nasyon - pe kree difikilte pou ou Nasyon pou li kapab prodiktiv.

En boug ki pa kapab pey son bill i pa en boug ki son lespri i annord, akoz tanto i pe mazinen si son elektrisite pou koupe.

So ki mannyer ou Gouvernman ou vini pou re balans sa?
Akoz si mon pran ou largiman pirman from en perspektiv biznes, then savedir tou servis dan lefitir ki nou peye Sesel pou monte.

E mon pa krwar sa i ideal Gouvernman.

So ki mannyer ki nou, nou kapab ganny en leksplikasyon lo kwa ki pe ganny fer rezonableman par egzanp di-si la dan kourt term - dan kourt term pou anmenn en rediksyon dan bann tarif?

Akoz ler mon pe get sa bann sonm ki nou pe mete dan loan se nou ki pou garanti sa bann loan pou PUC.

So eski ou kapab dir nou kwa ki zot pe fer lo sa kote?
E dezyenmman an relasyon avek PUC, mon dakor nou bezwen envestir dan PUC.

Me eski Minister Finans pe kontinyelman fer en legzersis, pou osi monitor expenditure PUC?

Mon konnen en kantite son larzan i al ver son reminerasyon given son workforce.

Me ou osi annan expenditure ki ganny fer lo nivo lekipman, lo nivo son bann assets ki i pe maintain.

So eski i annan legzersis kontinyel, pou fer sir ki nou pe monitor?
Nou ti zwenn FPAC avek PUC pou li koz ek nou lo bann mezir ki i pe pran pou protez son bann assets ki i met lo storage.

Me eski Minister Finans li menm ki ou ki fer fason pou ki PUC on 80 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 lending, i kapab pe ganny li 255 ekek milyon dan lannen ki pe vini la.

So ki zot pe fer osi pou reasir nou ki zot pe met an plas en mezir, pou kontinyelman monitor e regard byen bann striktir kot PUC pou fer sir ki zot pe marse.

Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.


Minis?

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Onorab zis pou klarifye kekfwa ou’n mank en pti bout mon larepons, ler mon’n reponn sa kestyon lo finansman PUC pou diferan proze, mon dir i bezwen en konbinasyon looking at tarif, me osi ki kantite ki Gouvernman i mete dan PUC as grants, ok?

E Gouvernman i ankor pe met larzan dan PUC as grant.

So ou largiman ki Gouvernman osi i bezwen kontribye lo en baz sosyal - mon toutafe dakor ek ou.
E sa i Polisi ki nou pe adopte.

So mon pa pe dir ki PUC becomes totally self-sufficient finansyerman.

Me i en konbinasyon between income ki PUC i raise e grant ki Gouvernman i mete as son kontribisyon dan devlopman lenfrastriktir pei.

So mon krwar nou agree lo la lo.

Lo dezyenm pwen ki ou’n mansyonnen.

Lo basically cost effectiveness of PUC ki mannyer i ganny run ; mon toutafe ankor dakor avek ou, ki i annan - mwan, mon santi poudir i annan lespas ki nou kapab improve the operational efficiency of PUC.
Annefe parey mon’n anonse dan Bidze PUC i enn bann antite to be subject to en operational and governance audit an 2023.

Egzakteman pou etabli ki landrwa kot nou kapab improve operational performance of PUC.

Obviously si PUC pe ganny run dan en fason pli efektiv operational goes down, se kliyan ki at the end of the day ki benefisye.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Yes Onorab nou a fer en dernyen round.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Mr Chairman.


Mr Chairman anvi ki nou pe al agree lo en kantite keksoz, eski nou kapab agree ki Minister Finans pou fer en pti travay pou fer desann tarif elektrisite ek delo tou dan sa kourt term?

Sa i premye keksoz.

Mon a gete si nou kapab ganny 81 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 - nou’n ganny de lagreman la, nou a gete si nou kapab ganny enn trwazyenm.
Apre lo sa operational audit ki ou pe dir mwan, eski lekel antite ki pou conduct sa operational audit?

Akoz mon pa pe dir mon dout kapasite Oditer Zeneral pou fer li, me mon krwar la kantite travay- E ler nou pe koz operational audit en antite parey PUC, deza Oditer Zeneral pe deal avek servis renal care - dyaliz.

Eski zot pou anmenn en outside consultant?

E eski zot pou pare pou angaz Lasanble Nasyonal dan legzersis ki sa operational audit pou fer, pou nou kapab keep abreast kwa ki pe pase?
Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Minis.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Yes Onorab sa odit i en odit ase spesyalize so pou annan - I annan en terms of reference ki pe ganny drafte pou le moman avek lasistans Labank Mondyal.

E nou pou fer en expression of interest pou bann firm spesyalize vin fer.

E mon krwar Lasanble - FPAC can benefit from finding sa odit ki ganny fer.

So napa lobzeksyon.
So napa lobzeksyon.

Lo kote si Minister Finans ki pou fer travay pou redwir tarif, si Onorab i donn mwan sa manda pou mon al negosye ek Mr Putin ek OPEC pou fer desann pri petrol, mon ava seye.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Bon nou kapab vot lo Bidze pou Net Lending en total R265milyon 228mil.

Manm ki vot an faver lev lanmen silvouple?

Mersi.

Mon war tou Manm in vote.

Lo Bidze Net Lending 27 Manm in vot pour, 0 kont, 0 abstansyon.

Lasanble in aprouve sa Bidze.


DEVELOPMENT GRANT TO PUBLIC ENTERPRISES MR SPEAKER Development Grant, Grant to Public Enterprises lo paz 42 pou en total R148milyon 661mil.

SS parey labitid leksplikasyon?

SS PATRICK PAYET 82 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair anba development grant pou bann Public Enterprise en provizyon pou SPTC nou’n mete anba domestic financing 14.5milyon e sa i zot bann proze ki zot pe prozekte pou lannen 2023.
Anba foreign financing sa i en provizyon pou the purchase of 59 buses.

Parey zot pou war i annan en provizyon dan 2022 ek 2023 sa i pou sa 59 buses ki nou pe travay avek Government of India anba LOC.

E provizyon ki nou’n fer pou 2024-2025, i pou en adisyonnel 50 buses.

Anba Property Management Corporation - 52.8milyon.

I annan provizyon pou sa loan ki nou ti’n pran - ki PMC ti’n pran avek Pension Fund pou repeyman.

E osi en provizyon zot bann lezot proze ki zot annan.
Anba PUC this is sa local component ki nou met sa kontribisyon Gouvernman, pou zot bann capital investment e sa nou’n mete pou en lavaler 60milyon.

E propozisyon pou development grants 148milyon 661mil.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab William i a konmans kestyon Manm?

HON WAVEN WILLIAM Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman zis en pti klarifikasyon lo sa de alokasyon foreign avek domestic financing.

Mon anvi zis konnen si ladan i enkli sa bann bis ki sipoze mars avek elektrik or …?
Akoz par lefe ki ti’n ganny dir poudir sa pou ganny entrodwir apartir lannen prosenn.

So nou pe zis demande si i tonm dan sa laliny?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Wi panel?

SS?

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Lo kote sa grant sa i pou anba Chinese Government e sa i pa enkli.

Me selman nou lekspektasyon se lannen prosenn resevwar.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Mondon?

HON TERENCE MONDON 83 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Mersi Mr Chair.
Mr Chair mon le en klarifikasyon, akoz ler mon pe get de latab i annan en latab development grants lo paz 42 e sanmenm sa ki nou pe gete ki fer son total i R35milyon 859mil.

Apre lo sa latab kot in met subventions to pubic enterprise lo paz 40 - sa sonm ki sibvansyon pou SPTC i 36milyon 930mil, ki fer en diferans 1milyon 73mil.

Eski nou pe koz - ki sa diferans sa?

Kote i sorti sa diferans?

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Eskiz mwan eski subvention i en lot laliny sa SS?

SS ou a eksplike – wi?


SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Lo sa enn lo paz 40 Mr Chair, ki apre nou pou vin avek sa budget line i bann sibvansyon.

So i en pe operasyonnel.

Tandis ki sa enn lo paz 42 ki nou pe diskite la, sa i pou zot bann capital investment zot bann proze.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER So nou pe koz de diferan keksoz la?

Onorab Sandy Arissol.

HON SANDY ARISSOL Mersi Mr Chair.

Mon le vin pou bann proze kapital ki SS pe koz lo la pou SPTC.
Mon ti anvi zis dir avek Minis kekfwa - parske sa ki nou apel bus terminal dan lavil Viktorya, ti ganny fer en bon pe letan pase e i ti ganny fer dan sa konteks.
Me i annan en pe mirmirasyon an relasyon avek kekfwa letan i sanze, so bann kontrent ki kekfwa bann dimoun - bann zabitan – espesyalman zabitan Bel Ombre, ki servi sa landrwa pou esper bis, an relasyon avek lapli, soley - kekfwa letan zot pe revwar larzan bann finans ki zot gannyen an relasyon avek zot proze, pou osi revwar striktir en pe dan sa konteks ozordi ki nou pe viv konpare avek parey i ti ganny konstrir.
Zis pou fer sir ki nou bann kliyan - nou bann Seselwa ki servi SPTC, sa fasilite, zot kapab fer li dan en pe konfor.

Mon ti anvi zis fer sa pti komanter an siportan sa proze sa Bidze Mr Speaker.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis ti a kontan adrese.

84 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Wi Onorab nou a met sa a latansyon Departman Minister pou Transpor e regarde pou zot konmans en evalyasyon lo la e ki way forward.

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Cosgrow?

HON WALLACE COSGROW Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair mon ti a zis kontan Minis ouswa SS i dir nou egzakteman ki sa domestic financing R14.5milyon pou SPTC i entail?

Apre si mon kapab demann en siplemanter apre si mon konnen ki i entail.

MR SPEAKER Ok. SS?

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Mr Chair zis pou note, ki SPTC zot in soumet en lalis zot bann capital investment ki zot anvizaze fer pou lannen 2023.
E ladan zot annan devlopman pou al en Praslin depot Ile Eve, Barbarons, Baie Lazare depot, Ile Du Port depot lenfrastriktir, apre lezot maintenance ki enkli Anse Aux Pins, Viktorya e lezot depot - sa pou bann lezot maintenance.

Apre lo kote lekipman pou bann masin ki zot bezwen pou zot bis.

Apre zot sistenm - ERP sistenm inventory vehicle maintenance avek performance tracking and staff productivity.

Lezot IT lenfrastriktir zot in met provizyon e upgrading of workshop lenfrastriktir.
Sa bann provizyon ki zot in mete.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Wi Onorab, ou kapab follow-up?

HON WALLACE COSGROW Ya.

Mr Chair mon premye issue lo la i se ki SPTC pe demann sa larzan, me mon pa konnen si zot fer serten diskisyon avek SPTC ler i vin rod sa Bidze.

Akoz tou resaman nou, nou’n kontakte SPTC lo kote United Seychelles, pou li fer serten kours pou nou e i ti zot in refiz nou.

So sa i larzan ki zot kapab gannyen pou redwir larzan kot Minister Finans - Gouvernman i donn zot.
E si zot pe refize, then 85 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 i vedir ki zot pa bezwen larzan.

So mon ti a kontan next time zot fer serten diskisyon pou domestic financing pou SPTC, dir zot pa diskriminen lo lekel ki zot ki zot ofer servis e lekel ki zot pa ofer servis.

Sa i enn.
Sa i enn.

Dezyenm, an se ki konsern pri bis Mr Speaker eski in annan serten diskisyon kot pou annan serten sibvansyon atraver Gouvernman, pou revwar pri bis e soulaz en pti pe bann travayer Seselwa ki pe pran de, trwa, kat bis dan en zournen, pou zot kapab al travay?

Ki pe enpakte lo zot Bidze lafanmir.

So eski nou annan diskisyon pou revwar sa pri pe sarze e ki kapab ganny en pe plis sibvansyon pou SPTC?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.


Minis Onorab in al en pe dan laliny operasyonnel SPTC, si panel i kapab adrese?

Yes SS?

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Mr Chair kekfwa i annan sa eleman ki nou pou touse lo kote son sibvansyon ki nou pe donnen.

Ki annan lefe lo kote son bus fare ki i sarze.

Me selman zis pou note ki i egziste sa Workers Special.
So en travayer ki pe pran de bis ouswa ki pe amenn zanfan lekol ouswa dan daycare, zot kapab eligible so zot bezwen fer li through zot lakonpannyen ki zot pe travay avek.

So i egziste ozordi bann ki pe pran diferan bis.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Esparon?

HON REGINA ESPARON Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman mon ti zis anvi en pwen klarifikasyon an se ki konsern foreign grants.
Eski letan ki Gouvernman i ganny en foreign grant i reste totalman anba, anba kontrol sa donor oubyen Minister Finans i annan en say ladan?

Mon a eksplik ou akoz mon pe demann sa - sa kestyon Minis, parske mon pe toultan mazin lekol Glacis ki’n ganny fer anba en don Sinwan.

Me selman aprezan nou war nou pe depans en kantite larzan an plis, pou fer en kantite rektifikasyon parske, parske sa grant in totalman anba kontrol sa donor.
E zot napa avanse ladan menm lo kalite materyo ki’n servi pou fer serten konstriksyon avek.

Eski konmsi i annan sa kontrol 86 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 kot zot annan sa say ladan oubyen i zis anba kontrol sa donor?

Mersi.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Wi i mon lobzervasyon osi ki i annan bokou bann proze ki’n fer anba sa bann don, ki ler ou get nivo travay kekfwa sometimes i en pe substandard e apre i annan maintenance e renovasyon kou ki vin o.
Me avek Lazans Lenfrastriktir ki travay lo tou sa bann proze, one of the priyorite ki nou’n mete se, the quality assurance dan louvraz ki pe ganny fer.

E sa bann louvraz i ganny fer anba oversight SIA, ok?

So sa i donn rekonfor Gouvernman ki kanmenm i en don me bann standar in terms of the work ki pe ganny konplete i lo en standar ki akseptab.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.


Mon annan detrwa kestyon - Onorab Cosgrow i pran kestyon lo SPTC, me mon ou konnen Subvention to Public Enterprises pe vini, non nou ava tackle sa size bus fare ler nou al laba.

Mon le koz plito premyerman lo lapros ki nou pe pran la.

Ou konnen, tou bann antite ki bezwen en Bidze in vin devan nou in eksplik zot Bidze.

E nou war par egzanp SPTC i pe demann domestic financing, larzan ki nou, nou’n generate atraver tou dimoun in travay - ok?
E konman en antite, i pa la pou reponn bann kestyon.

E nou war anba liv Development Grant i annan proze ki pe tonm Takamaka, i annan proze ki pe tonm Anse Aux Pins.

Mon krwar ki going forward Mr Chairman, ler nou ariv lo sa pwen dan Bidze, sa bann antite i bezwen vini.

E pou zot kapab pran kestyon avek bann Manm lo kwa egzakteman ki zot pe al fer ek sa larzan.
E dan sa laliny Mr Chairman mon ti a kontan demann panel;- par egzanp ler nou regard Property Management Corporation e nou war sa finansman ki i pe gannyen - ok?

So mon ti a kontan konnen ki kalite finansman ki PMC pe gannyen - nou annan bokou housing estate dan tou bann distrik, dan Lasanble - eski ki bann proze ki pe al ganny kouver anba sa finansman.
87 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Pou nou kapab e konnen pou fer en oversight lo apepre R52.8milyon ki pe al ganny depanse anba Property Management Corporation?

Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Mon a adres ou premye pwen.

Mon krwar ou’n kapab lev sa dan Assembly Business Committee, tan ki i konsider prosedir Lasanble, nou a regarde si i annan keksoz pou fer.

Next point mon a pas pou panel.

Yes Ms Tamatave?

COMPTROLLER GENERAL ASTRIDE TAMATAVE Mersi Mr Chair.
In regards to sa sizesyon Onorab, mon krwar i en keksoz ki nou kapab take into account going forward, pou bann antrepriz piblik pou vin devan Lasanble pou vin defann sa bann laliny Bidze.

In regards to sa larzan spesifikman anba PMC, sa i pou repeyman de loan ki enn ti avek Fon Pansyon - en loan R150milyon e en lot avek Nouvobanq en loan R200milyon.
E sa bann loan i bann loan ki date en pe letan e par mwan, nou pe pey R6.3milyon pou sa repeyman loan Pension Fund e par quarter nou pe pey 6.9 lo sa loan Nouvobanq.

E sa bann loan i ti pou konstriksyon bann lakaz anba sa 24- 24.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Ou pe swiv Onorab – wi en follow-up?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mon’n swiv sa bann repeyman pou PMC, so mon note ki sa repeyman loan.

Be an relasyon avek SPTC ti osi annan development projects ki pe ganny fer.
Mon pa konnen si prezan petet Mr Commettant i kapab adres sa akoz li i konpran byen sa bann sif lo sa bann a performance sa bann antite.

Lekel ki fer en evalyasyon oubyen monitoring lo prosesis sa bann proze, ki sa bann antite i tender out?

Par egzanp mon’n tann nonm Takamaka, lekel ki fer monitoring pou war si SPTC premyerman i pou swiv bann en sistenm procurement proper?

E dezyenmman the output the value for money sa proze finalman ki SPTC in fer sa development grant?
Akoz i pa en mainstay Gouvernman pou fer li zot swiv bann lezot proze.

So ki mannyer nou kapab ganny en reasirans ki i 88 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 annan en follow-up ki ganny, fer pou asire ki sa proze i alaoter sa larzan ki nou pe met ladan?

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Panel lekel ki pou reponn?

Mr Commettant yes?

DEPUTY COMPTROLLER GENERAL JUDE COMMETTANT Thank you Chair.

Thank you Onorab.
Thank you Onorab.

Bann proze ki ganny fer atraver bann SOEs, parey nou annan SPTC nou annan PMC e lezot ankor, normalman anba Gouvernman nou annan PEMC ki tant pou monitor loperasyon sa bann entities.

Me epi si i annan larzan ki pe sorti dan Bidze parey pou SPTC, ki son peyman pou son bann proze i vin kot nou, kot nou, nou ganny en sans pou nou verifye bann dokiman ki konsernan sa peyman – si in annord - si i swiv bann prosedir ilegal, si in swiv tou keksoz.

E prezan nou, nou efekte li.


Parey nou fer peyman avek bann lezot Minister.

Me selman lo kote monitoring loperasyon bann SOEs sa i plis anba PEMC.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Bon aprezan nou pran sa vot lo Development Grant to Public Enterprises pou total R148milyon 661mil.

Manm ki vot an faver lev lanmen silvouple?

Mersi.

Manm ki vot kont?

Bidze pou Development Grant to Public Enterprises 24 Manm in vot pour, 0 kont e 3 in abstain.

Bidze in aprouve par Lasanble.


SUBVENTION TO PUBLIC ENTERPRISES MR SPEAKER Item Subvention to Public Enterprises lo paz 40 pou en total R44milyon 930mil.

E sa se seksyon ki Onorab Mondon ti pe fer referans avek.

SS en pti leksplikasyon parey labitid?

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair parey zot war anba sa vot, ti annan zis trwa antite pou lannen 2023 ki Gouvernman pe donn sibvansyon.

Premye i Seychelles Postal Services pou en lavaler R6milyon.

Dezyenm i pou SPTC pou en lavaler R36.9milyon.


Pou SPTC parey zot okouran ki Gouvernman i annan sa Workers Special ki donn, ki don sa subvention, disability apre retirement pension ki zot pa pe pey bis.

89 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 So sa i kouver apepre en total 28.8milyon e dan sa 36.9 i enkli 8.1milyon pou zot deficit loperasyon.

T Trwazyenm antite i the Guy Morel Institute pou en lavaler R2milyon.
E Guy Morel apard sa 2milyon ki nou pe donnen anba sibvansyon, i annan 2milyon anba ANHRD training fund, i pou sa public service college pou zot train bann public service - zofisye public service dan sa frame lankadreman RBM avek bann lezot training capacity building ki nou bezwen.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Wi kestyon Manm, Onorab Ernesta?

HON PAUL ERNESTA Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair, Minis ek delegasyon, bann koleg Onorab e tou dimoun a lekout, bonzour.
Mr Chair letan mon’n get sa laliny, mon war ki i annan pa mal rediksyon - si oule - dan bann sibvansyon ki pe donnen.

Mon kestyon, eski sa bann rediksyon pa pou afekte performans delivery sa bann lorganizasyon?

E an menm tan sirtou parey PUC, si nou pa pe espekte ki next year - mon krwar taler mon koleg Onorab Cosgrow in dir - eski nou pa pou war - olye war en bes dan pri bis, nou pou war en logmantasyon dan zot pri?

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Minis.


MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Onorab ler ou get laliny ki’n desann plis lo Subvention to Public Enterprise se Air Seychelles e mon krwar - annefe nou ti pe diskite nou de SS, i fer premye lannen konmsi ki nou napa Air Seychelles subvention to Air Seychelles.

So sa drain ki Air Seychelles ti pe mete lo Bidze, in sorti.

So pli gran rediksyon ki ou pou war dan Subvention se Air Seychelles.

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Wi ou kapab follow-up Onorab.

HON PAUL ERNESTA Mr Chair zis en pti koreksyon, taler olye dir SPTC mon’n dir PUC.

Mon dezyenm kestyon i pa’n ganny reponn - si nou pa pou war en lefe ki pou war avek sa rediksyon dan sa bann rediksyon ki’n 90 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 donnen, dan bann servis par egzanp logmantasyon dan servis bis, ensidswit?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Well Minis, ou kapab repran si ou annan en repons?

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Wi Mr Chair.


Wi Onorab sa bann amount dan Bidze i baze lo menm pri ki egziste ozordi.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Pillay?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi, mersi Mr Chair.

Fotespere mon pe al demann ankor en kestyon rediksyon lo tarif.

Taler mon’n ganny dir donn li permisyon pou al negosye avek Mr Putin.

Mon pa konnen akoz Minis i ankoler ler nou dir li koz lo rediksyon, nou dir li koz lo rediksyon pri lavi Minis i ankoler ek mwan … MR SPEAKER Onorab.
HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mon dir li koz lo rediksyon … MR SPEAKER Onorab go ahead.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY … rediksyon elektrisite e Minis i dir mwan al get Mr Putin.

MR SPEAKER Onorab go ahead – go ahead avek ou kestyon silvouple?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY … kekfwa i krwar i pe reponn mwan anndan - mwan mon pe koz pou dimoun la deor - li i pe reponn mwan la anndan.

So Minis an relasyon avek pri bis, Onorab in demande in war sa koupir dan sibvansyon e sa ou pe dir nou i reflekte pri ozordi.
E prezan i annan en konsern ki i annan dimoun ki rely lo servis bis SPTC.

E ki ler zot fer li over en long peryod, i en kou 91 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 adisyonnel lo zot.

Kwa ki Gouvernman in terms of sey regarde ki zot kapab fer, pou fer ki sa kou sa depans pou sa travayer ki petet ou ek mwan, nou pa sibir sa kou.

Me i annan dimoun ki sibir sa kou.


Ler pri fuel in desann petet nou, nou ganny serten benefis, me li i pa gannyen sa benefis, akoz i bezwen still pey sa pri - sa tarif bis ki mannyer i ete.

So kwa ki Gouvernman pe fer, pou sey adres sa kou sa pri bis, pou sa dimoun ki travay e ki bezwen sa servis toulezour; - 5er bomaten sorti Takamaka desann pou vin, pou vin anvil.

Apre Mr Chairman, mon ti annan en pwen ki mon’n bliye adrese taler me mon ava adrese ler Minis i koz lo la.

MR SPEAKER Byen.
MR SPEAKER Byen.

Minis ou kapab adres sa premye pwen silvouple.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Zis pou mwan asir Onorab i pa fer mwan ankoler.

Annefe i fer mwan riy bokou ler i demann mwan son bann kestyon.

So all good Onorab.

Lo kote SPTC Gouvernman i ankor pe donn significant subvention both lo kote kapital e operasyonnel to SPTC.

Savedir i pe ankor ede pou ki pri bis i reste afordab.

Me selman nou bezwen realize e realistik ki pri operasyonnel en i kontinyelman monte, ok?
Ler ou donn lakonpannyen logmantasyon saler, son Bidze i ogmante.

Ler i met plis larout lo schedule pri depans en lakonpannyen pa zanmen desann.

I plizoumwen toultan monte, akoz this is a fact of economics ki pri i monte.

Now sa logmantasyon bis ki ti ganny fer, i pa premye logmantasyon bis ki’n ganny fer dan listwar Sesel.

Bis ti deza R2, R3, R7 so, Konmsi annandler mon en pe konfize ler mon war logmantasyon ki’n arive, mon ganny lenpresyon ki premye fwa dan listwar Sesel ki pri bis in monte.
Me i pa premye fwa - pri bis in deza monte plizyer fwa dan lepase.

So mon i enportan ki nou note enn;- ki kou loperasyon pou run SPTC i kontinyelman monte e i bezwen annan en fason finansman.

E Gouvernman i ankor – dezyenm;- Gouvernman i ankor pe kontribye dan Bidze pou kou loperasyon SPTC pou kou kapital ki SPTC i incur.

Savedir nou pe fer nou best pou nou kit kou SPTC - kou tiket ase afordab.

Mersi.

92 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 MR SPEAKER Mersi.
Ou ankor annan en kestyon Onorab?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Definitivman Mr Chairman.

An se ki konsern son dimoun la deor, mon pou toultan annan kestyon.

Menm si Minis i krwar li i bezwen riye ler mon koz lo … MR SPEAKER Me Onorab akfer ou bezwen fer sa bann komanter?

Annou let’s get serious!

Let’s get serious!

I lo Bidze.


HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Be Mr Speaker it is serious, akoz nou pe koz larzan - nou pe koz lo fer lavi Seselwa la deor vin pli meyer - mon pa konnen kwa ki pli serye ki ler ou dir ek en Minis annou sey regarde ou kapab fer desann tarif elektrisite.

Kwa ki pli serye ler ou dir ek en Minis, annou met en pe plis larzan pou vyeyar.

Kwa ki pli serye ler ou dir ek en dimoun pou nou … MR SPEAKER Mon kapab eksplik ou?
HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY … pou nou dir ek en Minis pou nou sey fer tou dimoun ganny en 13enm mwan saler.

(Interruption) MR SPEAKER Hold on - hold on Onorab.

Mon kapab … (Interruption) MR SPEAKER …silvouple lord!

Annou fini sa annord.

Mon kapab eksplik ou, se akoz ou bann kestyon i annan evidaman i annan en lapros politik.

Oule fer pwen politik, ki Minis i reponn ennler, me realize ki ou osi ou pe zwe en game politik.
93 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 So mwan, mon enterese fini sa Bidze.

Terminen!

So si nou kapab prosede lo la silvouple.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Speaker mersi.

E mon remarke ki ou kote latab i enterese avek zis fini sa Bidze whilst mwan, mon enterese avek fer sir ki ler nou pe fini sa Bidze sor Seselwa la deor in ganny tande!

Prezan zot, zot kapab asize pa demann kestyon pa koz lo behalf dimoun … (Interruption) MR SPEAKER Silvouple!
HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY … sa i zot problenm, i zot swa i zot perogatif!

MR SPEAKER Ale.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Selman mwan lefe ki mon ganny peye pou koz pou dimoun, mon pou koz pou dimoun.

MR SPEAKER Onorab … HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Prezan mon a vin lo mon kestyon.

MR SPEAKER … si ou zis al lo ou kestyon.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mon a vin lo mon kestyon Mr Speaker, mon a vin lo mon kestyon.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Mersi.


HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY 94 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Taler mon ti’n bliye demann Minis sa e mon konnen sa i anba en lot head.

Mon’n war Minis ki an relasyon avek IOT, nou’n met - ankor enn fwa nou’n met nou kontribisyon pou deal avek sa long service pou deal avek size IOT.

E mon fotespere ki prezan Minister Finans i osi angaz li avek size IOT ki pou ganny zot 13enm mwan, i ganny son 13enm mwan.
Me an se ki konsern SPTC nou pa kapab koz SPTC dan labstre bann dimoun ki travay dan SPTC konman en SOE.

Resaman in annan redundancy kot SPTC e sa larzan ki la i sipoze ed SPTC avek son bann kou operasyonnel.

Mon ti a kontan demann Minis, si eski son Minister in angaz a okenn moman SPTC?

Akoz mon konnen SPTC i tonm anba Minister Transpor - si son Minister in angaz a okenn moman SPTC, pou war si i annan okenn kontrent operasyonnel?
I ti resaman fer redundancy lo en giz i bezwen save larzan, me i refize pran hire - so kwa ki pe fer ki i annan serten kontrent operasyonnel?

E eski Minister Finans ou angaze an se ki konsern serten SOEs pou monitor kwa ki pe pase e pou asire ki bann travayer - bann dimoun ki pe fer sa SOE fonksyonnen, fer SOE marse - parey mon asire Minis i fer pou son bann staff dan Minister Finans - pou fer sir ki zot pe ganny trete parey ki bann Lalwa Lanplwa e bann prensip ki annan ozordi an egzistan?
Mersi Mr Speaker mon pa war sa en kestyon politik Mr Speaker.

Mon war sa i kestyon pou lentere dimoun.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis ou repons?

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Larepons se wi.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Eski Onorab Henrie ti’n lev lanmen?

Bon nou a pran kestyon Onorab Henrie.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonn apre midi tou dimoun.


Mr Chair dabor par lefe ki mon war dan sa latab e lefe ki Minis in dir nou i premye fwa ki nou pa war sa sibvansyon pou Air Seychelles.

Mon krwar i ava en moman oporten pou nou felisit Gouvernman e tou bann dimoun san eksepsyon, ki’n enplike dan 95 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 demars pou tir Air Seychelles kot i ti ete e anmenn li kot i ete ozordi.

(APPLAUSE) HON GERVAIS HENRIE Nou’n war poudir okenn travayer pa’n perdi zot louvraz.
Zot pou ganny zot 13enm mwan.

Pli enportan, nou pa’n sibir en lanbarasman enternasyonal atraver en proze legal, kot nou airline ti kapab fermen.

E alor nou konman Seselwa, nou dwatet annan tou rezon pou selebre sa ki’n a rive vizavi Air Seychelles.

(APPLAUSE) HON GERVAIS HENRIE Lo kestyon SPTC Mr Chair, mon’n note ki pri SPTC in monte.

Selman menm ler pri bis i monte, nou war ki Gouvernman pe bezwen touzour sibvansyonn SPTC.
E non selman sibvansyonn SPTC, me met larzan ankor dan bann lezot pilye sosyal, Ledikasyon Lasante, Byennet Sosyal, Welfare, pou nou bann dimoun pansyon, pou bann dimoun aze.

Mon krwar ki petet i ava en loportinite pou Minis re eksplik nou konteks en Bidze.

Akoz i annan just so much ki nou konman en pei, nou zenere konman an term reveni.

E si i annan en serten kantite delo ki antre ladan, mon pa pou kapab met plis i pa kapab antre.
E ki nou konman Manm Lasanble e pep Seselwa i kapab apresye kwa ki nou kapab fer, kwa ki nou pa kapab fer.

Ou si non nou pou bezwen sanz nou model ekonomik net, poudir ok napa problenm, nou ava fer pri bis desann net vin R2, selman dezormen ou zanfan pou bezwen peye pou al lekol!

Konmsi lekel ki vin priyorite?

Kot nou balanse?

Dan en quick answer Mr Chair, si panel ti kapab re contextualize sa zafer.

Akoz ki kantite ki Gouvernman i kapab sibvansyonnen.
E pez bann pri, pou ki nou konman tax payers nou kapab apresye pou konpran zafer Bidze, an term reveni avek depans?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis si oule adrese?

I napa kestyon, selman kekfwa ou annan en remark - mon pa konnen.

Mon ankor annan en kestyon.

Minis?

96 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

Non dan economics tou keksoz i ganny trade-off, ok?

Si ou pe depans la i pe bezwen sorti en lot landrwa.
Napa en absoli dan Bidze ki ou ganny tou sa ki ou anvi, ok?

Economics i about the most efficient allocation of resources.

Savedir si ou deside poudir nou pe fer met larzan la, i bezwen en lot landrwa ki li i perdi morso, akoz n lanvlop sa paramet ki en Bidze - son lanvlop total li i fixed dapre resours ki annan.

Savedir si ozordi - e sa i diskisyon ki annefe mon fer ek plizyer Minister ler deba Bidze.
I annan bann deba ase entans avek plizyer Minister, akoz toultan demann i toultan pli o ki resours ki available.

E pwen ki toultan as Minis Finans ki mwan, mon met devan se si ozordi Minister Ledikasyon i bezwen en pe plis larzan, en lot Minister li i bezwen compromise poudir be mwan, mon bezwen pran en pe mwens.

Nou tou nou pa kapab … Sa ki mannyer en Bidze i marse.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Cosgrow ou’n lev lanmen ler mon ti pe al terminen.
Wi mon a permet ou demann ou kestyon e mon a termin avek Onorab Cosgrow.

HON WALLACE COSGROW Mr Chair mersi bokou, pou allow mon sa pti kestyon.

Aparaman Onorab Henrie in bezwen vin save lot kote latab, ki personn pa ti pe koze.

In antre in fer en pti komanter - ni menm en kestyon ti napa.

Me mwan, mon annan en kestyon, mwan.

Mon pa pou vin sa – mwan, mon annan en kestyon malgre ki LDS pa pe koze.
I annan R6milyon avek postal, postal services subvention, eski Minis i kapab dir nou egzakteman ki or SS ki kote sa R6milyon pe ale?

Akoz zot konnen poudir i annan en bonpe fristrasyon deor la, avek postal services an term lafason ki zot delivre bann let, bann parsel ki pe vini - ennler i tarde, ennler i pran dimoun i dir ou i perdi tou.

Onorab Bastienne ti fer en komanter en fwa dan Bidze.

So dir nou kote i ale?

E dezyenm mon zis anvi fer en propozisyon avek Minis lo sa kote trade-off.
97 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Ou’n donn Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal R60milyon - i ti depans R8milyon, ler i montre ou poudir i kapab annan konpasyon pou pep Seselwa, donn li en pti pe plis.

Me si ou kapab trade-off pran en 10, 15milyon laba lot kote anvoy dan SPTC, nou a fer desann en pe sa pri bis!

Mersi Mr Speaker.

(APPLAUSE) MR SPEAKER Bon Minis ou ava adres son kestyon.

Mon sipoze son premye kestyon i valab - son dezyenm kestyon mon krwar nou’n pas lo la.
MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

Premye kestyon SS i ava pran - dezyenm kestyon … MR SPEAKER Aktyelman i pa ti en kestyon.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Anr i pa ti en kestyon.

MR SPEAKER I ti zis en rekomandasyon – (Off Mic) MR SPEAKER … en rekomandasyon.

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Ale, mersi.

MR SPEAKER SS adres premye kestyon, mersi.

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Mr Chair lo kote sa 6milyon i baze lo zot deficit Bidze pou lannen prosenn.
Parey zot okouran ki pou Bidze 2022, nou ti donn zot 8milyon baze lo zot deficit e pou lannen prosenn osi i still annan deficit.

So nou pe donn zot en prozeksyon R6milyon.

98 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Me si Onorab bann konplent ki egziste e sa nou ava diskit avek CEO avek the Board, pou nou idantifye si i annan okenn problenm e ki bann stratezi ki zot pe servi.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Nou aprezan pran vot lo Subvention to Public Enterprises pou R44milyon 930mil.
Manm ki vot an faver lev lanmen silvouple?

Mersi.

Manm ki vot kont?

Lo Subvention to Public Enterprises 26 Manm in vot pour, 0 kont e 1 in abstain.

Bidze in aprouve par Lasanble.

Bon nou’n ariv a lafen travay Komite lo Appropriation Bill e napa amendment pou nou vot lo la.

Nou a repas dan Staz Lasanble pou Third Reading.

E mon ava apel LGB Onorab Georges pou anmenn Mosyon pou Third Reading.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonn apre midi Minis avek ou delegasyon.


Mr Speaker set avek en gran lazwa - en sans lakonplisman e en remersiman spesyal pou tou Manm Lasanble e pou Minister Finans ki’n propoz enn bann meyer Bidze dan sa bann dernyen lannen.

(APPLAUSE) HON BERNARD GEORGES Apard pou Bidze Lasanble kot i annan bokou room for improvement, ki anba Order 76 (1) nou Standing Orders, mon move ki Appropriation Bill, 2023 i ganny lir en Trwazyenm Fwa.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Mon a ganny segonnman lo Mosyon?


Onorab Sandy Arissol?

HON SANDY ARISSOL Mersi Mr Speaker.

Avek lazwa e avek en gran loner mon segonn sa Mosyon prezante par Onorab Georges.

Mersi bokou.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Nou a vot lo Third Reading.

Manm ki vot an faver lev lanmen silvouple?” Mersi Manm ki vot kont?

Thank you.

Lo Third Reading 99 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 Appropriation Bill 2023 - 19 Manm in vot pour, 0 kont e 9 Manm in abstain.
Donk Lasanble in aprouv Appropriation Bill.

E lo sa enn mon bezwen tap en kou marto.

(APPLAUSE) MR SPEAKER Bon mon remersye tou Manm pou zot partisipasyon.

Madanm Clerk a fer Third Reading?

MADAM CLERK Mersi Mr Speaker.

This Act may be cited as the Appropriation Act, 2023.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis ou ti a kontan dir en dernyen mo?

MINISTER NAADIR HASSAN Mersi Mr Speaker.


Mr Speaker mon ti a zis kontan remersi tou bann staff Minister Finans ki’n travay lo Bidze, bann staff bann lezot Minister ki’n travay lo Bidze.

I en travay ki’n ase entans - it requires en kantite zefor, komitman so en gran mersi pou tou sa bann staff.

E osi mersi pou bann Manm ki’n debat lo Bidze;- bann Manm Sekretarya Lasanble osi, ki’n involve dan sa prosedir ase long pou Bidze.

So mon dir zot en gran mersi.


E dernyen mersi pou bann manm piblik ki’n ekout en deba Bidze lo televizyon.

Zot osi mersi pou pran par dan sa deliberasyon.

Avek sa mon ti a dir tou lezot dimoun mersi.

Thank you.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Bon zis avan nou disperse en pti not lo semenn prosenn, nou travay malerezman pa ankor fini.

Nou annan ankor travay Lasanble lafen lannen e sa i pou konsiste laplipar lo Lezislasyon - bann Bills.

I annan plizyer Bills ki pe vin devan nou.


Nou konmans pran sa semenn prosenn, me Lendi Assembly Business Committee, in deside ki nou pa pou sit Lendi pou permet tou bann Manm catch up, avek bann Lezislasyon ki annan devan nou.

100 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 02nd December, 2022 E sirtou Bills Committee pou catch up e staff osi avek tou bann paperwork ki bezwen sirkile avek bann Manm.

So fotespere Lendi, nou a kapab met nou annord pou en sesyon ase long lo Lezislasyon.
Avek sa mon a swet zot bon wikenn, bon lodyans foutbol pou bann ki swiv foutbol.

Pou lezot fotespere zot a ganny en pti repo.

Mersi nou ava adjourn ziska Mardi prosen 9er.

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