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Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF SEYCHELLES Thursday 24th November, 2022 The Assembly met at 9.04am National Anthem Moment of Reflection Mr Speaker in the Chair MINISTRY OF EMPLOYMENT AND SOCIAL AFFAIRS MR SPEAKER Bonzour tou Manm Onorab, zofisye dan Lasanble.

E oditer e spektater an deor byenveni pou nou travay.

Nou a pas direkteman lo travay Committee Stage.

Nou a pas Committee Stage Madanm raporter i ava apel delegasyon silvouple.
Bon bonzour e byenveni tou bann zofisye e Madanm Patricia Francourt Minis pou Lanplwa e Social Affairs.

E dan son Minister Mr Jules Baker PS pou Lanplwa, Madanm Linda William-Melanie PS pou Social Affairs, Madanm Nicole Pool accountant.

E lo kote Minister Finans welcome Mr Patrick Payet ankor enn fwa e Madanm Terryll Adrienne finance analyst.

Mon osi annan lo official table akote Madanm Chantal Jules senior accountant dan Departman Lanplwa.
Byenveni zot tou e mersi pou zot partisipasyon davans nou pe pran Bidze pou Ministry of Employment and Social Affairs ki lo paz 497 ziska 510 pou en total R90milyon 710mil.

Nou konmans avek lentrodiksyon Bidze par Minis.

Minis please.

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Mr Chairman.

Bonzour Leader Biznes Gouvernman.

Bonzour Leader Lopozisyon.

Bonzour tou Manm Onorab e tou Manm piblik ki a lekout.
Pou konmanse, mon oule fer rapel Departman Lanplwa ki enn ki primordyal dan demars pei pou reisir annan krwasans [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 ekonomik, espesyalman apre sa detrwa lannen difisil ki nou’n pas ladan.

An premye lye, nou bezwen asire ki marse lanplwa i reste touzour stab e ki tou akter dan sa proze, proze i garanti zot proteksyon neseser atraver bann norm ki’n ganny etabli, pou ki zot aksyon lo zot bann responsabilite dan tou sekirite ek dinyite.
Se selman si tou sa i an plas, ki nou pou kapab asire ki nou tou sitwayen i ganny akse avek en travay desan parey nou Konstitisyon i demande.

Lannen 2022 in enn ki’n byen sarze pou sa departman e nou espekte ki lannen 2023 pou osi parey.

Mr Chairman Departman Lanplwa, in ganny en Bidze R44.784 milyon pou lannen 2023 konpare avek R37.786milyon pou lannen 2022.

Sa i reprezant en diferans R8.998milyon, ouswa en logmantasyon 25poursan.
Sa logmantasyon i konpri R4.809milyon anba wages and Sa salaries e R4.190milyon anba goods and services.

logmantasyon R4.809milyon pou wages and salaries, i enkli R1.09milyon pou transfer 5 staff sorti kot ANHRD pou vin kot Departman Lanplwa.

Parey zot konnen planifikasyon e devlopman resours imen nasyonal, i aprezan tonm anba Departman Lanplwa.

Bidze pou zot saler in aprezan ganny transfer avek departman.
R365mil pou kreasyon 2 nouvo pos dan seksyon Policy and Planning Evalyasyon e Seksyon Prodiktivite.

R2.24milyon ki enkli revizyon saler e 13enm mwan lapey ki Gouvernman in anonse.

R1.114milyon pou bann pos ki nou pa’n reisir recruit sa lannen.

Sa logmantasyon R4.190milyon anba goods and services i konpri prensipal, prensipalman office expenses in ogmant par R561mil pou elektrisite, delo e printing ek stationery.
Transportasyon and travel costs in ogmant par R1.03milyon sa i enkli R156mil pou vwayaz Minis e R124mil pou vwayaz PS pandan lannen 2023 ki’n sorti kot Biro Prezidan, e transfer kot Departman Lanplwa.

R750mil pou vwayaz delegasyon Sesel pou partisip dan bann konferans enternasyonal e lezot workshops.

Dan ‘other goods and services’ in ogmant par R2.608milyon ki konpri R550mil consultancy and maintenance fees for ki nou dir the market information system - MNIS.
R1.33milyon for employment reskilling, R228mil pou office building rent.

Sa i due to additional room ki nou pou annan kot Ocean Gate House previously i ti occupied by ASP.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 E R225mil campaign on ‘attitude mindset on national level’ e on other workshops.

Mon profit sa lokazyon Mr Chairman pou remersi tou mon bann staff ki travay vreman for e vreman dir pandan lannen e zot donn tou sa ki zot kapab kanmenm i annan konstrent.
Mr Chairman mon swete ki Lasanble Nasyonal ava, ava konsider Bidze Departman Lanplwa dan en fason favorab ki ava ede pou enplimant nou bann stratezi pou lannen 2023.

Si ou permet mon Mr Chairman prezan mon ava pran mon pti introduction pou Departman Zafer Sosyal.

Provizyon Bidze Zafer Sosyal pou 2023 i an montan R45milyon 925, 572.29 ki reprezant en logmantasyon R12.950, 952milyon oubyen 39poursan konpare avek Bidze 2022 ki’n ganny revize.
En logmantasyon R2.12milyon pou reviz saler e osi pou 13enm mwan lapey.

Logmantasyon R812mil pou 9 pos pou social worker apard ki provizyon 13enm mwan lapey.

Nou bann statistics in montre levidans ki nou bezwen plis travayer sosyal, pou adres bann defi ki fanmir pe kontinyen fer fas avek e gid zot pou sirmont bann defi.

Mr Chairman parey nou konnen, Gouvernman pe konmans enplimant program RBM - Result Based Management ki pou ganny mezire e evalye atraver performance contract.
Departman in war li neseser pou re priyoritiz serten bann progranm e servis e repartir pli byen nou depans dan bann aktivite ki pli enportan, pou nou war pli bon rezilta e lenpak pozitiv pou nou bann kliyan.

Departman pe osi kontinyen ek son plan formasyon bann staff, pou ogmant zot skills e kapasite pou reponn egzistans perform a la oter e donn en pli bon servis nou bann kliyan.
Kot i konsern proze PSIP, nou note ki Minister Finans in ankor sa lannen met en lokasyon R9milyon pou bann travay preliminer, ki pou kapab annan pou konmans sa proze Youth, Hope Center pou nou donn bann adolesan, pou nou travay ek bann adolesan ki at risk.

Boner 2023 nou pou kontinyen diskisyon avek zofisye proze e CEO SIA, ki konn byen konsep sa proze pou finaliz plan ki ti deza travay lo la, pou sa sant.
Mr Chairman mon anvi met lanfaz poudir ki sa sant i primordyal e kle pou nou Minister e osi Minister Ledikasyon, akoz i pou ede ofer sa servis ki manke konmela, pou siport bann adolesan avek difikilte.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Pou konklir Mr Chairman, mon oule dir ki mon Minister antye in travay vreman dir pandan 2022 e in servi byen Bidze ki Lasanble ti’n aprouve pou nou loperasyon.
Mon oule remersye tou mon staff e tou Manm Lasanble, pou zot sipor ler nou donn zot plis detay atraver zot bann kestyon.

Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Mon deza annan en long lalis entervenan donk mon a rapel bann Manm pou gard zot kestyon to the point.

Si zot fer stetment pa bezwen fer long stetment.

Letan i vreman presye e delegasyon osi, delegasyon osi silvouple gard zot repons lo kestyon - focus.
Mon a pran ankor – HON NADDY ZIALOR (Off-Mic) MR SPEAKER Hold on, zot lev lanmen pou kestyon, oubyen kwa?

Wi, wi, wi, wi, wi ok les mon a pran non premye Onorab, Onorab Gill yes Onorab Zialor wi.

HON NADDY ZIALOR Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour.

Mr Speaker mon bezwen zi sou gidans pou gid nou si nou pou pran kestyon pou tou le de departman, ouswa si nou pou pran enn avan oubyen apre nou pou pran lot?

MR SPEAKER Yeah nou’n deza abord sa.


Tan ki Minis i fer son lentrodiksyon lo tou le de Bidze e Manm in lev lanmen deza, annou pran en sel round tou le de nou a pran tou le de departman ansanm.

Kanmenm tou fason nou seye nou ale vini so i vin menm zafer anyway.

Onorab Aglae wi mon’n ganny ou osi.

Tre byen nou a konmanse e mon pou sey al dan lord ki zot in lev lanmen, me si mon pa reisir bear with me.

Premye Onorab Monthy.

HON PHILIP MONTHY Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour.

Bonzour Minis avek ou delegasyon.


Mon annan 2 kestyon pou Lanplwa e 1 kestyon pou Sosyal.

Premye kestyon lanplwa strategic priorities limero 1 se pou met plis [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 travayer plis Seselwa dan lanplwa atraver bann progranm egzistan.

E nouvo progranm ki zot pou vin avek.

So si Minis i kapab elabor en pe lo bann nouvo progranm?
Akoz menm si mon pou felisit zot pou travay ki zot pe fer, en pti konplent ki mon annan ler mon bann zabitan i dir mon zot in al anrezistre kot Lanplwa, me selman apre zot pa tann nanryen napa follow-up zot kontinyen call ou pou ganny louvraz ki ou sey ou mye pou met zot ladan.

Dezyenm kestyon current challenges So si ou kapab koz en pe lo sa bann nouvo progranm ki sa Bidze pe permet zot vin avek, pou met plis travayer dan lanplwa?

limero 3 non- compliance with Labor Laws.


Mon’n annan konplent sorti kot serten kontrakter ki’n dir ki annan bann kontrakter, ki pe anploy travayer Endyen - etranze e ki pa pe respekte Lalwa Lanplwa.

Zot vin ek 2 Kontra enn dan langaz Endyen ki anba minimum wage ek enn an angle pou tronp Minister Lanplwa ki ladan zot pe pey minimum wage e sa i en dezavantaz pou kontrakter Seselwa.
Zot Unit Compliance and Monitoring, eski sa Bidze pou ed zot beef up sa abilite pou kapab detekte sa bann si mon kapab dir manboulouk ki sa bann lakonpannyen pe vin avek?

Kestyon pou Sosyal enn pti remark ki mon’n fer, dan mon distrik pou war en bonpe child neglect, kot ou war paran ki lo sibstans avek manrmay dan lebra 8er diswar dan semen partou.

I annan serten case ki social worker dan mon distrik i okouran nou, nou pe sey travay lo la, me ki zanmen ou war sa, sa bann keksoz konmsi i ganny deal avek.
Ou war sa bann paran i kontinyen obor semen ek sa bann manrmay pti manrmay.

Konmsi kwa ki pou ganny fer pou ki sa bann sityasyon koumsa i ganny deal avek, sa bann manrmay i ganny pran ek sa bann paran, e i ganny mete dan en, en fanmir rezonnab?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab in konmans avek 3 kestyon nou a fer sa lareg 3 pwen.

Me silvouple i enportan ki zot gard li concise.

Bon Minis ou kapab konmanse silvouple.

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chairman.

Onorab mersi pou ou kestyon.


I enportan pou mwan fer resorti ki sa 3 progranm ki nou annan kot Departman Lanplwa which are skills development program ki pran bann zanfan 15an a 17an.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Pou sa lannen ziska la nou’n plas 213 dan bann zenn dan plasman.

Zot, zot fer plizyer kantite skills workshops.

I annan ki up to 6 weeks i annan ki up to 12 weeks.
E normally sa bann zanfan i bann zanfan ki petet drop out of school oubyen zot pa’n ganny en post-secondary institution.

So la straight away nou konn zot, akoz detay pou sorti kot Minister Ledikasyon nou pou ankadre zot.

Sa progranm i en sikse.

EK Bidze ki nou gannyen nou’n fer sir poudir nou’n servi li byen, pou fer sir sa bann zanfan i ganny en bon plasman.

E course i varye from tourism, from mechanic, hairdressing - it’s a long list of things ki nou, nou war nou bann zenn i le training ladan.
So sa i enn.

I en sikse e la nou’n ganny sa larzan si nou ganny sa larzan ankor, nou kontinyen avek sa progranm.

My First Job i osi pou bann zenn ki’n fini zot post-secondary so sa i en lot nou progranm ki very successful.
E sa nou annan nou, nou call zot bann graduates nou annan nou, nou annan nou up to October 762 zenn ki’n ganny plase dan sa progranm, e sa i en sikse akoz nou pa ganny difikilte ek sa bann zenn ki’n sorti dan post-secondary dan en PC - parey nou dir - oubyen university nou plas zot fasilman.

E zot, zot very proactive.

Then we have what we call the reskilling program e sa i mars vreman byen.
So an montan 17an ziska laz there’s no limit ziska ler sa dimoun i ankor still bezwen training - 30an, 40an, 50an si i vin join sa progranm nou fer bokou advert lo la nou met bann reskilling programs ki an plas e ki nou pe ofer.

E ziska la nou ankor pe ofer.

I annan bann nouvo progranm ki pe vini right through until December.
E sa pou bann dimoun ki kekfwa i le reskill, so they are unemployed probably, zot le antre - kekfwa zot pe ganny difikilte pou zot ganny en louvraz akoz zot napa sa skills oubyen zot napa sa qualifications, me zot ganny sans pou zot reskill zot lekor konpletman pou donn zot en sans pou antre dan domenn travay.
Sa 3 progranm i en sikse e nou pou kontinyen avek sa Bidze ki nou’n gannyen pou nou target e nou targeted candidates oubyen partisipan nou toultan pe pas advert lo televizyon lo nou Facebook page lo nou website kot zot kapab apply.

E nou fer outreach programs as well, kot nou konnen sa bann zenn i la e apre nou fer en graduation service pou zot osi pou zot kapab ganny zot sertifika.

So pou dezyenm kestyon ek trwazyenm kestyon konsernan lanplwa, mon a fer PS Baker Mr Chairman.

Mersi.
Mersi.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 MR SPEAKER PS Baker.

PS JULES BAKER Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour Mr Chair.

Bonzour tou Manm Onorab.

E bonzour tou dimoun ki a lekout.

Vitman Mr Chair, parey nou ti dir lannen pase Departman Lanplwa staff i reste angaze pou asire ki bann anplwayer i anliny avek Lalwa Lanplwa.
Zis pou mwan remind Lasanble Nasyonal se ki i annan en prosedir an plas avan ler ki case i al Ankour nou donn en premye warning, en dezyenm warning e trwazyenm warning.

E letan case i ariv Ankour most of the time lanmenm ler ki anplwayer i pas kot nou i dir tir case Ankour.

An term statistics pou koz lefe ki mon pe dir lo la Mr Chair, se ki nou annan nou 19 ka konsernan vyolasyon Employment Act devan Employment Tribunal.
Nou annan 14 ka ki nou pe al fayle devan Employment Tribunal e pli enteresan ankor Mr Chair, se ki nou annan 17 konviksyon ki’n fini ganny etablir depi Mars ziska le 31 Desanm 2021, e nou annan konviksyon 11 ka ki’n fini depi pou lannen Zanvye 2022 ziska, ziska la Novanm 2022, ki’n fini ganny convicted.

Annefe nou annan en diskisyon avek Biro Attorney General, pou nou ganny loportinite pou nou pibliy sa bann konviksyon dan medya, me selman nou ankor pe diskit lo formalite mannyer nou pou fer.
E pli tar si sa i aprouve nou a kapab les Lasanble konnen ki bann aksyon ki nou fer.

So sa i montre ki nou ankor reste angaze pou fer sir ki anplwayer i onor zot obligasyon dan Lalwa Lanplwa.

Lo sa ki konsern ou, ou trwazyenm kestyon regarding whether staff is enough, Mr Chair Manm Lasanble staff zanmen i ase, Bidze zanmen i ase.

Sa ki pli enportan ki pli bon fason stratezi ki nou kapab servi Bidze ki Minister Lanplwa i donn nou.

E ankor en fwa nou progranm counselling sansibilizasyon i reste azour.
E annefe la mon konnen taler sa kestyon pou leve lo kote Employment Act.

Nou pe dir ki Employment Act pou vin pli rezilyan e pli strong e pli mordan, pou ki fer sir ki nou vin en regilater plis en regilater olye ki bann Gouvernman i entervenir dan bann fonksyonnman administratif, labor relations.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Ti annan en trwazyenm pwen.

PS Social Affairs ki pou adrese wi.


PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour Mr Chair.

E bonzour tou bann Manm Lasanble e piblik a lekout.

Mr Chair pou reponn sa kestyon konsernan Departman Zafer Sosyal, vizavi bann sityasyon sosyal dan distrik Cascade.

Mon le fer resorti ki Cascade nou annan en very high case load.

Nou social worker i annan 58 fanmir ki vreman ki i pe travay avek ki annan sa bann difikilte parey.
E parey Onorab in dir bann paran ki nou war dan bor semen avek bann zanfan, nou pa le servi sa term ki nou stigmatise zot, me i bann paran ki nou konnen bokou i lo sibstans.

So letan zot - zot konnen poudir travayer Sosyal i deryer zot, so zot pa kit manrmay tousel kot lakour so kot zot ale zot anmenn zot zanfan avek zot.
Parey Minis in dir nou pe re, re priyoritiz nou travay, e konmansman lannen prosen nou’n konmanse sa lannen pou annan bokou plis travay apre ler, kot nou bann travayer pou vizib dan bann kominote e osi bann vizit pou nou kapab zisteman donn sipor sa bann paran pou travay avek zot.

Akoz zis retir zot zanfan avek zot, i pa pe ed sityasyon vreman, akoz nou bezwen al idantifye fanmir ki pou pare pou pran sa bann zanfan.

So i annan bokou travay pou fer e nou fer li ansanm avek nou bann partner.
Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Zailor.

HON NADDY ZAILOR Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour Minis ek ou delegasyon.

Mon annan de kestyon pou Departman Lanplwa avek probableman en kestyon pou Departman Sosyal.

Anba program 3 kot ‘employment services’, mon war en rediksyon dan local consultancy fees, petet si ou kapab donn en serten gidans as to kwa ki’n sanze ki alternativ zot pe servi?
Training fees mon war en logmantasyon apepre 1milyon, eski dan zot bann training pou e progranm - la mon pe mazin sa progranm reskilling ki zot annan ki zot in annan lo Mahe pou bann [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 dimoun ki pe viv avek en dezabilite - eski zot pe mazin broaden li lannen prosen?

E petet etal li osi lo nivo Praslin parske i annan en demann?
Apre mon’n tann ou koz lo ekstansyon, ekstansyon biro pou Departman Lanplwa, eski zot pe mazin en seksyon spesifik ki pou bouz dan ensel lokasyon parske sa osi i kre serten fristrasyon pou piblik?

Pou Departman Sosyal, in annan serten lenstans kot par egzanp ou annan sirtou elderlies avek bann dimoun dezabilite ki war zot lopital.

E parfwa i annan mon krwar i annan serten zofisye Sosyal ki tonm anba departman Lopital ki zot war nou pe follow-up at district level pou serten issues.
Eski i annan en sinerzi ant Departman Lasante avek Departman Sosyal, when it comes to bann cases?

Ouswa sa de seksyon, oubyen sa de group social worker zot pa neseserman pe tonm dan menm cadre?

Mersi bokou.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Wi bann Onorab annou sey gard kestyon lo Bidze silvouple.

Progranm ki mannyer departman pou travay, nou pou touzour annan en kantite letan dan Question Time pou kapab egzaminen silvouple.

Minis ou repons.

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.
Mersi Onorab.

Mon pou fer li vreman short Onorab akoz mon konnen ou vreman o fe avek Departman Lanplwa.

Pou bann progranm ki nou’n fer avek reskilling pou bann zanfan dezabilite - wi ti en sikse en sikse pou Mahe.

E tou - mon mazinen zis enn preski tou nou bann zenn ki nou’n fer sa progranm e training avek zot dan lanplwa.

E zot pe fer vreman byen e i lo nou azanda dat osi in fini fikse pou Praslin pou nou kapab fer en similar program.

Mersi, PS Baker i a pran sa lot pti bout, thank you.
MR SPEAKER PS, wi?

PS JULES BAKER Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

Vitman wi i annan en rediksyon dan progranm 3 pou local consultancy, sa i pa [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 neseserman ki in redwir me i en matter reassignment of resours ki nou annan.

Nou ti savedir nou ti servi pou pey bann private Employment Agencies, pou ed nou plas anrezistre plas dimoun dan lanplwa.
Me selman nou’n war ki pli fezab pou nou transfer sa larzan anba nou bann progranm reskilling, ki ou pou war li anba sa nouvo Bidze ki tonm anba skills development anba Bidze.

Mersi Onorab, thank you.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Dernyen kestyon lo disabled.

PS Melanie ?

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.


Mon zis anvi fer resorti ki i annan en relasyon travay etrwat ant sa social worker ki pe travay ek Minister Lasante avek nou departman ler i annan bann ka kot i bezwen nou lasistans i pran kontak avek bann social worker lo nivo bann distrik.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Mondon kestyon.

HON TERENCE MONDON Mersi Mr Chairman.

Bonzour Minis avek ou delegasyon.

Mon premye kestyon i relye avek zot defi aktyel.


Dapre zot statistic 995 zenn aze 15 a 20an, in vin anrezistre pou ganny en travay an 2021.

E dan latab 8 lo ‘youth unemployment’ zot target pou 2021 ti 22poursan e pou 2022 i 18poursan e zot target pou 2023 i 16poursan.

Pou fer bon konparezon lo performans departman, i neseser annan an sif aktyel e mon kestyon se akoz ki zot napa en sif pou youth unemployment pou lannen 2021?

E akoz zot target pou 2023 i selman 16poursan e pa mwens?
E an menm tan mon lot kestyon i lo latab 6 labor protection kot zot dir anplwayer ki, ki pa, ki pa ti pe comply avek Lalwa Lanplwa e me apre zot comply apre aksyon in ganny pran.

Zot target pou 2022 ti 21poursan e pou 2023 i reste 21poursan.

Kwa ki anpes zot met bann target enpe pli o pou kapab vreman fer sa diferans dan, dan sityasyon ki zot pe fer fas avek aktyelman?

Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

PS i a, i a pran repons Minis.

PS?


[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 PS JULES BAKER Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

Premye kestyon i konsernan youth unemployment, ou a kapab konstate Onorab ki Minister Lanplwa avek Minister Ledikasyon i travay tre pros ansanm, pou asire ki maksimonm posib tou etidyan i reste dan sistenm ledikasyon avan ki i sorti lo sa baz ki nou apel 11an mandatwar.
Malerezman i annan en group ki pa neseserman konplet sa peryod segonder, e menm bann ki sikse pou antre dan pos- segonder pa neseserman reste dan pos- segonder, pou en rezon ou en lot bann defi ki zot fer fas avek.

E se sa rezon akoz ou war ki nou annan nou, nou youth unemployment i reste ase o, e ki nou travay tre pros atraver bann progranm ki Minister in koz lo la pou nou asire ki nou met maksimonm posib zenn dan lanplwa.
Me keksoz ki pli enportan pou kapab konstate ki pandan Covid Labor Force survey pa’n ganny fer.

E nou youth unemployment ozordi la ki nou, ki nou’n gannyen avek ANBS i 12poursan pou le moman la, e sa i baze depi 2020.

So annefe la ki nou kapab dir se ki nou annan en population census ki an progre e ki pe ganny fer, nou espekte ganny rezilta tre byento ki nou a kapab ganny en apresyasyon ki nou youth unemployment i ete dan Sesel ozordi.
Lo kote labor compliance regarding 21percent, yes Onorab parey ou kapab konstate malgre nou annan Lalwa Lanplwa an egzistans, malgre nou annan ase zofisye ki al lo teren pou fer sir ki dimoun i comply, me malerezman nou pa toultan ganny sa sipor anplwayer pou zot comply, fodre nou bezwen anmenn case Ankour.
Parey mon’n dir taler, nou donn li en premye warning, nou donn li en dezyenm warning, nou donn li en dezyenm warning nou donn li en trwazyenm warning, only letan case i ariv devan Lakour ki i dir ou sorry prezan ki mon’n konpran.

La, la kot problenm i arive, arive.

So basically nou’n mentenir sa, sa 21poursan an term compliance.

Akoz nou, nou bi prensipal i pa pou prosekit anplwayer pa sa nou bi prensipal.

Be sa i plito the end result of it.


Nou, nou ti a kontan ki plis anplwayer i reste an konformite dan Lalwa Lanplwa.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Bastienne.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 HON DESHEILA BASTIENNE Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour Mr Chair.

Bonzour Minis avek ou delegasyon.

Bonzour tou lezot Onorab.


Minis mon kestyon i annan en pe keksoz parey Mr Baker fek dir la, anplwayer i sipoze an konformite li osi ler nou pe koz training - ler nou pe get bann training parske dan alokasyon i annan training fees.

Nou war ki bann travayer Lanplwa i konn bann training outside dan bann landrwa travay.

E mon war zot, zot target plis bann employees.


Be ler mon la mon pou tous anplwayer li menm, kot parfwa zot pa pare pou zot let go e sa i vin en legzanp kot en enn ou travayer in fer keksoz e ganny dismiss ou’n demann li pou resign.

Demen letan li i leve i al rod en lot plas travay dan en lot landrwa, konmsi son anplwayer i toultan tant pou ser li donn bann move rapor lo li.

Wi en dimoun i fer en fot i tonbe demen i pou realize i pou releve - i pou tir en leson ladan.
E mwan, mon pe demande letan zot fer sa bann training eski bann anplwayer osi i kapab ganny include, pou zot konpran ki fot i arive partou;- donn en sans en dimoun aret ser li ler i al rod en travay parske demen i pou al fini lo welfare.

I pou al demann welfare ler i pa pe anploye, anploye.
I pou al rod lo welfare pou li viv so mon ti ava kontan konnen anba sa training anba sa bann training fees si zot pe reorganiz zot fason conduct bann training - bann training outside kot bann kot zot anmenn plis sansibilizasyon anver bann anplwayer osi.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Wi nou en pe an deor Bidze.

Minis annou donn en repons ase bref.

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

Very briefly mon kontan ki ou pe dir ki ou aware bann training programs.
En kantite ki nou fer e wi nou annan bann executive leadership training ki nou fer 1000 partisipan;- en lot mindset pou 21st Century Leadership ki nou annan 145 -sa i o nivo - 145 partisipan.

Workers Productivity, Education program 700, Ethics and Productivity, nou annan the target bann youth osi.

E sa youth forum on productivity, savedir nou pe konmans vreman zenn osi avek bann training programs ki nou annan.
Ou dezyenm pwen ki ou’n dir in regards to donn sans travayer i en keksoz ki mon pous vreman for dan mon departman, akoz [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 mon ganny piblik enn de piblik ki vin kot mwan se zisteman akoz zot in fer en fot somewhere ki ler zot pick up referans, referans i toultan negatif.
Mwan, mon pa krwar sa i devret arive e mon, mon konnen poudir i annan en serten bout dan referans ki you should not give a reference ki ou pou impede sa dimoun i ganny en louvraz, it’s not right, it’s not correct.

Tou dimoun i fer fot dan lavi parey nou dir e nou bezwen donn li en sans pou rekonmanse.

E mon ler bann cases i vin kot mon individually, I do pick up on that.

La recently just last week ki mon’n pick up, went back to the employer poudir non you can’t do that.
Sa dimoun i pare pou li refer son lavi, in fer fot donn li en loportinite.

Koz lo son fonksyon ki i ti fer.

Sa fot ki in fer in fer, me selman an mezir nou pe regarde si in fer en fot ki ti pou fer avek zanfan;- for example sustainability, then of course sa dimoun pa pou al travay avek zanfan ankor.

So sa en bann ka en pe serye.

Me selman en keksoz ki mwan, mon pran very seriously, is bad references.
E mon pou annan en konversasyon ek AG’s Office pou nou regarde ki mannyer nou kapab formalise sa ki it should not be the case.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Esparon.

HON REGINA ESPARON Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Minis ek ou delegasyon.

Mr Speaker mon annan 2 kestyon pou Lanplwa 2 kestyon pou Sosyal.

Mon ti ava kontan konnen letan mon pe regarde Minis anba lo latab 3 anba ‘new spending initiative’ i annan alokasyon 812mil pou anploy 9 nouvo social worker.
Mon ti ava kontan konnen si zot satisfe ki avek sa Bidze ki zot pe gannyen la pou anploy sa 9 social worker, zot pou kapab konmsi amelyor louvraz ki bann social worker pe fer dan distrik.

Parske an se moman mon konnen poudir en social worker pe ganny allocate en rezyon e i annan en kantite defayans dan bann travay, ki annan pou fer avek distrik li menm li, eski zot satisfe ki sa i pou kouver sa?
Epi mon pe war anba deskripsyon e ‘motivation’ la in dir zot pe fer anploy sa 9 social worker pou kapab donn sa sipor avek lentrodiksyon dan Domestic Violence Act work load ki pou increase.

E mon ti ava zis kontan klarifye si Domestic Voilence Act in ganny [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 en commencement date, ziska dapre dernyen lenformasyon pa ti ankor ganny en commencement date pou sa?
Pou Lanplwa mon ti ava kontan konbyen pos dan Gouvernman ki ti annan en Seselwa ki ti pe understudy en etranze, ki zot in reisir plas en Seselwa dan bann Minister sirtou.

MR SPEAKER Ou’n annan 3 kestyon lo Lanplwa Onorab.

HON REGINA ESPARON Non Mr Speaker sa 2 ti pou Sosyal sa.

La prezan mon pe al lo Lanplwa.

MR SPEAKER Anr tre byen.

HON REGINA ESPARON Wi e ki zefor ki Minister pe fer pou redwir kantite GOP ki zot pe donnen ?
E eski zot pe ganny sa korperasyon avek bann etranze avek bann lakonpannyen, pou met sa konsern devan pou donn sans plis Seselwa ganny en lanplwa.

E sirtou sa i konsern parey dan bann laboutik, dan bann laboutik kot ou war bokou etranze ki pe travay, ki zot pe kontinyen demann GOP e zot pa pe donn sans Seselwa pou ganny en lanplwa.

MR SPEAKER Thank you Onorab.

Minis diriz ou delegasyon please.

PS Social Affairs.

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou kestyon.


Onorab wi letan nou bann statistics, nou’n war poudir i annan en nesesite pou ogmant bann travayer sosyal sirtou lo nivo distrik.

E ankor nou, nou pe met lanfaz ki i annan plis travay ki fer lo nivo kominote ansanm avek lezot partners pou nou kapab vreman tackle sa bann problenm ki’n ganny idantifye.

Pou le moman mon kapab dir poudir lo kote distrik Glacis, sa ki nou pe war nou social worker son case load i 29.
Petet i apepre the range ki nou devret pe kapab annan en social worker pou travay avek, me si i annan bann lezot aktivite ki bezwen ganny fer, sa i bann keksoz ki nou bezwen take onboard.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Me i annan lezot distrik ki case load i vreman o e parey nou’n zistifye bann social worker adisyonnel i bezwen pe ale pou al travay pou ed sa bann distrik, kot i annan case load ki o. Kot i konsern Domestic Violence Act, sa ki mwan, mon okouran i pankor vin an operasyonnel me nou konnen i annan en gran parti dan sa Act, ki bann ka i bezwen ganny refer kot Departman Zafer Sosyal, enn fwa ki si i annan ka ki raport kot Lapolis ki sa konplenan pa pe kontinyen avek, nou bezwen beef up sa unit.
Akoz enn fwa ki sa Lalwa i vin anfors nou pou agree ki i pou annan bokou ka ki pou ganny refer e deza kot sa unit ki pe deal avek bann ka parey, zot osi zot annan zot case load ki very high.

So i annan nou i annan zistifikasyon pou nou annan sa kantite social worker ki nou’n ganny met dan Bidze e ki nou remersi Minister Finans.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Kestyon yes Minis.

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.


Mon a pran zis en pti bout lo kestyon zefor ki Departman Lanplwa pe fer pou kapab redwir GOP workers.

Onorab nou annan parey ou konnen localization plan mon konnen ou’n demann pou Minister.

Nou napa sa avek nou pou provide sa, sa figures for you, me selman nou annan pou an deor private nou annan.

Apre nou annan nou succession plan osi ki nou pe fer sir ki ler dimoun i antre i always annan en succession plan ki sa dimoun in vin lo GOP 2an - nou donn 2an GOP.
And the idea is that sa dimoun i ganny en dimoun pou li train, pou li kapab pran sa pozisyon.

Ou’n nonm magazen tou dimoun i konnen poudir Departman Lanplwa in pran en stand very firm on that, akoz bann keksoz ki ti pe arive in the past in terms of dimoun zis i vini, dimoun i vini.

Nou’n ankouraze pou nou dir i ok nou’n donn ou enn, me selman nou pa pou donn ou 4, nou pa pou donn ou 5.

E nou war poudir gradually pe zot pe konpran sa.


E bann employers osi pe konpran poudir si ou’n demann 3, mon pa pou kapab donn ou 3.

Mon pou donn ou 1 - at least i a kit ou business going.

Nou pa oule ser lanmen bizines nou, me selman i annan reliability e ou konnen poudir sa dimoun i la, i pou kontinyen, me selman pran en lot.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 E sa nou fer vreman byen dan nou Employment Services pou kapab plas dimoun.
Akoz avan ler nou donn en GOP i annan en Komite ki asize ki deside.

GOP approval pa fer par en dimoun.

I annan en Komite sak seksyon dan Departman Lanplwa whether it is Employment Services, whether it is Migration Section whether it is the Labor Relation section.

Zot asize e zot diskite pou war suitability pou nou approve en GOP.

I pa en task fasil, me selman at the same time nou pa le anmar lanmen biznes, nou fer sir poudir nou donn zot balanse.
Mr Chairman PS i a pran en pti bout ki ou’n demann en lot kestyon lo la Onorab.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

PS JULES BAKER Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mersi Onorab.

Vitman, annefe Departman Lanplwa i reste angaze an sa ki konsern localization e nou progranm lokalizasyon.

E nou grandi nou zefor depi ler sa progranm in konmanse, nou’n earmark 490 pos dan sekter paraetatik e prive.

E nou’n reisir localize 178 pos e nou ankor annan bann travay ki nou pe fer avek sekter prive.
E nou kapab dir ki i annan zefor par sekter prive pou bring onboard Employment Department pou successful operations of the program.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Ernesta.

HON PAUL ERNESTA Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair, Minis, SS, delegasyon, bann koleg Onorab e tou dimoun a lekout, bonzour.

Mr Chair mon kestyon an premye i vize lo SP1 ek SP2, ki mon’n war mon pe obzerv en logmantasyon dan zot kou elektrisite.
Petet Minis i a kapab eksplik nou, akoz sa si zot napa en lot mwayen petet pou fer desann, akoz sa logmantasyon i ase sibstansyel.

Apre dezyenmman nou konnen i annan sa se kot in dir kot dezormen pou annan logmantasyon dan sekter piblik, eski Minis ansanm avek Minister Finans zot in diskite pou war ki mannyer zot kapab fer, swa ankouraz sekter prive pou zot osi kapab donn sa 10poursan logmantasyon?

Mersi Mr Chair.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 MR SPEAKER Mersi.
Onorab mon krwar kestyon logmantasyon pou sekter prive in ganny adrese longman par Minis Finans.

Minis ou a reponn son premye kestyon silvouple - delegasyon savedir lo logmantasyon dan elektrisite.

PS Baker yeah?

PS JULES BAKER Wi mersi Mr Speaker.

Mersi Onorab pou kestyon.


Basically ki nou’n war se ki nou actual expenditure for last year e nou’n konstate ki kou elektrisite ek delo i kontinyelman ogmante, menm si nou kot Departman Lanplwa, nou fer sa zefor pou nou tenny nou lalimyer, tenny nou aircon apre travay.

Me selman nou still war ki i annan en logmantasyon of course dan bill elektrisite.

E vwala akoz ki nou’n war nou bezwen demann avek Minister Finans pou fer logmantasyon.
Fodre fer resorti ki sa logmantasyon dan elektrisite, i pa neseserman en logmantasyon ki’n vin an plis sorti kot Minister Finans.

I plito reassignment reallocation dan landrwa kot nou’n kapab fer en savings during the year, nou’n zis pran li dan elektrisite.

Akoz ler nou get nou actuals, nou krwar nou kapab servi li pli byen e par lo la ankor, nou annan plis staff ki nou pe recruit plis staff, plis kouran, plis delo.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Gabriel ou kestyon?


HON CONRAD GABRIEL Mersi Mr Chair.

Welcome Minis ek ou delegasyon, panel.

E mon a dir bonzour tou dimoun a lekout.

Minis mwan premyerman ti annan en lager mon ti konmanse depi ler mon’n antre dan Lasanble.

I konsern desantralizasyon sa servis employment.

Mon ti koz lo la ou ti dir mon a very good idea.


Kot nou anmenn employment officer petet dan distrik, mon krwar tou bann MNA ki la zot konnen ki difikilte ki nou pe gannyen, pou travay e nou bann zenn lavi i en pe dir, bis pou peye i en pti pe tough - ou konnen ou menm.

So Minis mon kestyon pou zot, dan sa Bidze 44milyon ki 8milyon plis ki 2022 mon pe regarde, eski zot kapab fer retourn sa progranm kot dan distrik nou atas en employment officer kot dan distrik li menm ki’n fini etablir?
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 I annan welfare officer, i annan social worker, kot zot a kapab link, link ansanm travay ansanm an kolaborasyon pou kapab ed nou pei bouz devan.

Mon panse petet sa i posib zot in ganny logmantasyon 8milyon, so tou sa bann keksoz i egziste deza an distrik.

Mon ti a kontan petet ou elabor en pe lo la.


Apre i konsern pou link data ansanm petet dan ou Minister dan sa Bidze 45milyon, eski i annan provizyon pou upgrade en pe zot bann IT system, pou zot kapab konekte ek kanmarad?

Par egzanp ler enn i dan distrik lenformasyon i ganny tape - ou konnen?

Pou nou al en pe speed up ek sa process?

Sa i mon pwen.
Sa i mon pwen.

Lo kote employment li menm P1 - SP3 ou annan ou 447mil pou anba other goods and services honorarium and awards, mon ti a zis konnen petet kisisa ki bann awards sa lannen?

Donn nou en pti pe plis detay lo la?

E mon dernyen pwen Mr Chair, i petet Sosyal - Madanm Sosyal i konn tre byen dan mon distrik Pointe Larue pa’n ganny eparnye avek bann sityasyon so, ki zot pe fer an plis?
Mon’n tann ou dir zot travay apre ler lot, lot, dir nou en pti pe lekel bann antite ki zot met onboard pou kapab tackle sa problenm sosyal li menm, ki pe vin vreman alarman dan tou kous nou- Dan tou distrik i alarman, me selman Pointe Larue i en pti pe out of limit.

Akoz nou annan en lekol segonder - i annan segonder Pointe Larue ki pe pas pa mal difikilte, e bann lezot zenn ki’n fini kit lekol, pe pas dan en serten difikilte enorm la deor?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Bon Minis?


MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

Onorab ou kestyon vizavi employment officers in the district it is a wishful thinking.

Mon konnen ou koz lo la, ou feel very strong about it.

Pou nou kapab fer sa, savedir nou bezwen annan bokou plis staff ki Bidze pa permet.

Akoz letan nou koz lo Bidze, nou bezwen realize sa Bidze i pou tou Minister e nou’n travay konman en lekip nou.
Nou travay konman lekip poudir pran en bout kot mwan donn en lot bout.

E nou’n fer sa korperasyon pran bann priyorite pli pertinan.

Zis pou mon fer ou konnen ki kot Ocean Gate House building nou [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 annan zis 12 employment officers ki travay, e i toultan plen, i toultan plen.

Savedir dimoun ki le search pou louvraz, i fer sa zefor i pey son bis oubyen i desann i vin kot lofis.

E they do that very well.


Pou mwan kapab met employment officer dan sak distrik 23 districts mon pou napa, right?

So i vreman difisil.

Nou’n nobou fer li avek ASP, nou kapab fer li avek social worker, me selman mon pa enn ki pou al egziz en Bidze, pou met en realite - en i pa en realite ki posib.

Me selman nou fer en kantite sensitization pou dimoun ganny akse avek sa servis ki nou donnen.

Whether it’s on TV whether, it’s open days, whether it’s bann fairs ki nou fer.
Enn bann keksoz actually ki nou pe mazin pou fer, nou ti konmans fer avek La Digue avek Praslin - Onorab Uranie i konnen - ki nou anmenn nou lekor konman en Fair Day to the district.

E sa nou le met li lo nou azanda.

So sa mon krwar i a plito mars pli byen;- less cost effective e i pa pou kout nou bokou, me selman nou vini nou kapab set it in the district.

Actually mon krwar nou ti pe mazin fer li regional to begin with, right?

So, sa i en solisyon to what you are proposing.


Parey mon dir i en wishful thinking, selman nou realistik osi at the same time.

I annan en kestyon pou PS Baker pran, mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Yes PS.

PS JULES BAKER Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

Dezyenm kestyon i konsern the role of IT - wi Mr Speaker parey mon mazinen kekfwa en dimoun en Onorab parey ava demande, nou pou war poudir prezantasyon dan nou alokasyon pou devlopman LMIS, i vreman progre.
E se sa rezon ki nou santi ki sistenm ki pli enportan olye ki dimoun, Onorab.

Letan nou’n war ki poudir - letan nou get dan sak distrik - parey Minis in dir nou taler nou annan nou apepre en 467 active job seekers dan Sesel an antye 467.

So basically, si ou pe met en zofisye lanplwa dan sak distrik pou al deservi 467 dimoun does it make sense?

Plito ki nou fer letan nou itiliz sa larzan pou nou kout plis dimoun dan devlopman e IT, kot letan bann dimoun i anrezistre nou kapab fer matching proper.
E se pou sa rezon ki nou’n demann [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Minister Finans e in aprouve pou donn nou en pe larzan pou lannen prosenn, pou nou kapab upgrade nou sistenm.

Parey Minis in dir nou - wi sa prosesis rezyonal kekfwa i en keksoz ki nou kapab konsidere, pou anmenn plis vizibilite, wi, me sa i ankor an diskisyon.
Ou trwazyenm kestyon regarding honorary award pou bann anplwayer ki fer byen dan devlopman resours imen, sa ti en fonksyon anba ANHRD ex ANHRD ki’n la, in ganny aboli e prezan parti sa fonksyon, in ganny transfer anba Departman Lanplwa.

Savedir sa i en Bidze ki ganny allocate avek ki pou ganny allocate avek Departman Lanplwa tou le 2an - pa tou le lannen - tou le 2an pou ki en legzersis i ganny fer parey ou war.
E parey ou konstate Onorab i kapab konstate ki sa fonksyon HR, in ganny transfer anba Departman Lanplwa.

E nou annan en responsabilite, pou nou asire ki nou meet bann challenges ki nou fer fas avek devlopman resours imen dan Sesel.

E si nou kapab rekonpans bann anplwayer ki pe envestir dan devlopman zot prop dimoun, nou ti ava apresye osi donn zot en pti award.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis mon sipoze PS Social Affairs pou pran sa katriyenm kestyon Onorab, ki en kestyon vast.
Ou a realize tackling social affairs ou pou pran plis ki 1erdtan pou reponn li, me alor mon demann ou pou summaries.

Yes PS ou annan laparol.

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Wi mon krwar sa kestyon pou vin par mon mazinen ki tou Onorab pou annan menm konsern, se sa rezon ki nou pe demann sipor pou ganny plis travayer.

Nou travay avek tou partner nou.

E nou annan bann diferans lenstans travay kot nou bezwen fer bann travay apre ler en spot check.
Parenting nou fek pe fini annan diskisyon avek Minister ki responsab pou Lafanmir, ki mannyer nou pou anmenn plis progranm lannen prosenn.

E Onorab ou distrik i enn parmi sa 10 premye distrik, ki annan bokou plis case, kot nou bezwen travayer sosyal adisyonnel pou donn koudmen.

So nou konnen sa bann distrik i annan tou sa bann eleman lalkol, drog, delenkans, e se sa ki fer i annan bokou problenm sosyal.

E nou bezwen travay an partenarya pou nou kapab tackle sa bann problenm ansanm.
Travayer Sosyal li tousel pa pou kapab fer tou.

Mersi.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 MR SPEAKER Mersi bokou.

Onorab ou’n poz 4 kestyon deza.

Klarifikasyon 1 kestyon silvouple.

Mersi.

HON CONRAD GABRIEL Ya Mr Chair, mersi.

Madanm eskiz mwan petet nou konman MNA how do we get onboard letan zot pe fer zot spot check en keksoz we don’t know.

Nou pa okouran.

Petet ti a bon akoz nou ki dan sa distrik.


En lide to go forward ti a bon zot lyez ek nou as DA, MNA we get onboard e sa ti ava ed zot petet dan zot travay.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Ou kapab pran sa rekomandasyon?

PS?

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mr Chairman, mersi.

Mersi Onorab pou sa sizesyon.


Me selman mon ti pou anvi dir konman leader dan bann distrik nou travay byen mon pou donn en legzanp Praslin, apre Perseverance kot MNA ansanm avek DA, i inisye serten travay - mon krwar Anse Royale osi nou inisye serten travay ek travayer sosyal.

I la dan zot distrik servi li dan fason pozitiv, pou donn sipor pou nou kapab travay ansanm, pou konnen pou nou kapab rezourd sa bann problenm ki zot pe idantifye.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Vidot.


HON AUDREY VIDOT Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour tou dimoun ki a lekout.

E bonzour tou dimoun ki prezan.

Mr Chair mon kestyon pou panel mon pou siport sa 2 distrik dan mon rezyon - distrik Pointe Larue avek distrik Cascade, akoz nou partaz menm konsern lo sa size lanplwa.

Desantralizasyon i enportan, i tir sa presyon santral e i donn sa sipor bann distrik, pou nou kapab ed nou bann zenn e osi nou bann dimoun ki ler Lalwa pou vini la pou 65an la, nou annan dimoun.
Mwan dan mon distrik ki annan 58an pe struggle la plis ki 3mwan, pou kapab ganny en louvraz, pe monte desann kot Lanplwa.

Please desantralizasyon zot pa kapab met dan sak distrik, me omwen lo baz rezyonal, siport nou bann distrik.

Sa i enn.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Dezyenm, nou pe koz lo sa Bidze konsernan proteksyon travayer, nou ankor annan en konsern dan pei lo zil, nou bann zil kot i annan bann dimoun dan lotelri, dan casino.
Nou bann travayer Seselwa pe struggle dan avek bann etranze ki par lao zot.

Pou donn zot sa respe kominikasyon e i annan ki kominik avek Lanplwa pou raporte, me i annan ki annan defi pou zot war sa respe zot drwa avek zot kondisyon travay dan lorganizasyon.
Alors Bidze ki zot pe gannyen pou 2023, eski zot pe ranforsi pou war pou adres sa bann defi, pou fer li redwir e war osi ki kondisyon parfwa Gouvernman ler zot al lo sa bann zil, pa kree li difisil pou prezan ler i koze i pa ganny sipor avek zot lo Departman Lanplwa?

Trwazyenm pwen, mon le konnen eski dan sa Bidze zot in annan revi pou war ki mannyer zot kapab osi soulaz sa bann zenn ki lo skill development program.
Zot allowance ki zot gannyen, mon konnen i annan landrwa ki ganny atraver sa ek lorganizasyon travay, me i annan ki at times i kouver.

Zot pe revwar akoz sa bann zenn i annan zot pa zot tou ki ganny fasilite transpor ek lorganizasyon travay zot bezwen pey dan zot pos fanmir i ankor deza dan difikilte zot bezwen siport zot ankor.

Please dir nou poudir sa Bidze ki roz la, zot pou adres sa bann konsern ki 2023 travayer Seselwa i a ganny byen valorize?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Minis?


MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Onorab mon krwar enn ler ou pa tande ki nou dir letan nou vin dan Lasanble.

Akoz ki mon’n dir, mon’n dir i annan zis 467 dimoun ki pe rod louvraz dan pei what is 467 people?

Nou ti annan nou pres 1800 dimoun letan mon ti vin Lasanble dernyen fwa, la nou 467.

Nou fer bann survey - nou call tou sa bann travayer tou le quarter, pou regarde si zot dan lanplwa zot pa dan lanplwa.
Si zot anrezistre kot nou e zot pa dir nou zot in ganny en lanplwa zot call pou regarde.

Apre la nou fek fer en survey Novanm.

I montre nou ki nou’n fer 903 phone calls.

Ou pe call dimoun son telefonn pa, pa, pa sonnen.

Ou pe call dimoun i pe dir ou ‘’be mwan lontan mon’n ganny mon louvraz mwan.
Zot ki pa konnen.’’ [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 So i annan tou sa bann keksoz ki nou fer konman en lekip, pou fer sir poudir nou bann dimoun annou aret fer leskiz pou dimoun letan i pe rod louvraz.

Tou le Mardi, tou le Zedi nou lo Facebook, lo nou website, nou anvoy kot zot tou MNAs dan sa lasal, pa konnen ki pou fer ek louvraz Sesel.

Mon krwar sel pei dan lemonn ki annan plis travay ki dimoun.
Mon krwar nou’n clock in si mon pa tronpe 4mil, 4mil500 louvraz just this year!

Savedir i annan plis louvraz ki dimoun.

Annou aret spoonfeed dimoun.

Tou sa bann progranm, skills development program, My First Job ki mon’n koz lo la, si sa zenn i deside i le dormi ziska 12midi, i pa leve pou vin rod louvraz lekel ki pou al tay deryer li?

Non, nou pa pou tay deryer li.

I a bezwen leve marse vin kot Biro Lanplwa vin anrezistre vin rod louvraz.

Skills Development Program R1900 -15 a 17an manage son Bidze.
Ler i fini i ganny li 18an antre dan en lanplwa - i annan louvraz.

R2800 nou donnen pou bann 18an an montan.

Again nou pe ed ou nou, nou donn ou sa bout, prezan ou fer sa lot bout si oule ganny R7mil, R8mil, vin rod en lanplwa ou ava antre ladan.

So get bann statistics Onorab ki nou pe donnen, it speaks for itself.

Mersi.

(APPLAUSE) MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Tre byen Onorab William, ou kestyon?

HON WAVEN WILLIAM Mersi Mr Chairman.

Bonzour Minis avek ou lekip.


Mr Chairman, mon annan en kestyon pou Lanplwa, apre 2 kestyon pou Sosyal.

Mon premye kestyon se ki mon anvi konnen avek Minis lo kote lanplwa, akoz mon war anba bullet point 2 current challenges ‘’reduction in the local labor skills supply in reliance of foreign workers.’’ Mon rapel dan bann mwan ki’n pase nou’n koz lo la, e nou santi poudir i mank sa sinerzi ant ANHRD, Minister Ledikasyon ek Unisey.
E i annan en legzanp ki ti’n monte se ki ozordi nou napa ekonomis dan pei, so mon anvi konnen si i annan en interagency avek tou sa bann partner konsernen pou zot adres sa problenm.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Akoz si nou pa fer li byento, nou pou kontinyelman annan sa difikilte.

So mon anvi konnen si zot annan sa?


E Mr Chairman lo kote Sosyal mon war poudir zot pe anvi anploy 9 social worker ki mon krwar i byen, me eski ozordi dan pei baze lo pwen ki mon’n fek koz lo la, eski zot santi poudir nou annan ase dimoun kalifye ozordi la, pou pran sa bann, sa bann pozisyon?

Akoz pa bliye poudir dan Mid-term Review nou war ki en bonpe bann new initiatives in ganny retire, akoz ti napa.

So ki demars pe ganny fer pou fer sir ki enn, nou kapab recruit sa bann dimoun?

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Minis?

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

On the subject of the national HR plan, mon kontan ki ou’n fer sa monte.

Parey zot konnen mon’n dir dan mon stetment i pou tonm anba nou e sa mon konnen poudir nou’n kree nou’n deza konmans en kantite louvraz lo la.

E i fer sans pou nou konn sa manpower planning for the country that is needed.
So lo nou Steering Committee ki’n fini ganny kree, i annan myself, Minister Hassan ek Minister Valentin Ledikasyon, Finans ek Lanplwa ki oversee en pti pe donn gidans e byen ofe.

So dan nou Steering Committee i byen son konpozisyon i very good;- nou annan Lanplwa, nou annan National Planning, nou annan dimoun ki pe sorti kot Agency li menm.
I annan Chief Secretary ki lo la so tou bann partners ki nou konnen i kle nou annan Deputy Governor Central Bank, ki again ler zot pou anmenn zot lenformasyon tousala pou ed nou.

Nou annan Direkter Zeneral National Planning;- nou annan Department of DICT lo la, Imigrasyon i asiz lo la, National Bureau of Statistics lo la, Foreign Affairs i lo la, Ledikasyon parey mon’n dir, SIB i asiz lo la, University of Seychelles osi son Dean i asiz lo la.
So nou’n fer sir Tourism Department, SCCI - this is the composition of the Committee that is already met 3 times already, depi ler sa demars pou nou take over.

So, nou’n fer 3 meeting - nou’n fini diskite nou terms of reference e konsiltan in fini drafte sa, e nou HR plan ek nou HR Strategy and Policy is already in circulation.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Nou’n drafte nou action plan lo bann short term actions, ki nou bezwen fer pou adres the HR planning ek HRD issues.

Nou’n pe drafte en analysis lo bann labor shortage parey ou pe dir avek bann skills gap ki nou annan e labor demand in the country.

E ou war poudir avek sa konpozisyon dimoun ki nou annan, you can’t go wrong, akoz tou sekter la pou kapab annan en input.

E the 3 Ministers nou very proactive lo la.


E nou pe donn nou sipor all the time, pou regarde pou anmenn sa lot lizye what is missing what can we do.

So sa mon konnen poudir i pou marse dan konpozisyon dimoun ki nou annan.

E nou pare pou nou fer sa task ki devan nou i en gro task, me selman mon konnen poudir nou pou ganny bokou sipor and we will make sure it works very well.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Mon krwar dezyenm kestyon ti lo Social Affairs si ou annan lakantite - si i annan lakantite dan pei.
PS Melanie ki pou adrese.

Yes PS.

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

Onorab wi mon kapab konfirmen avek ou ki bann travayer sosyal ki nou anploye, laplipar zot in pas atraver NIHSS kot zot ganny zot diploma.

Me parey nou kapab mon kapab fer resorti, nou pou bezwen aksepte ki leksperyans i pa pou parey, parske tou le sa lannen nou’n anploy anviron 5 a 7 social worker ki sorti NIHSS, nou bezwen fer plas pou bann zenn.
Me an menm tan nou bezwen ede pou donn zot sa leksperyans, pou zot kapab travay lo teren ansanm avek lezot partner.

So zot bezwen ganny mentor par en senior social worker, pou zot kapab delivre zot travay lo teren.

Me i pa en travay fasil parey mon’n dir.

I bezwen en kolaborasyon sak kliyan, sa dimoun ki nou pe travay avek e osi bann lezot partner ki nou bezwen zot sipor, dapre bezwen ganny assess pou sa bann fanmir lo nivo distrik.

Mersi Mr Chair.
Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Onorab, mon pa tro an faver kestyon siplemanter - en stetment - en fraz silvouple.

HON WAVEN WILLIAM [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Mr Chairman mersi pou your indulgence.

Sa leklersisman ki mon pe al demande mon krwar i vreman enportan ki Minis i donn sa leklersisman.

Minis Gouvernman i annan kontrol lo civil service only with regards to the employment.
Me kot i konsern sekter prive, mon anvi ou eklersi sa akoz piblik deor la, i bezwen konpran sa byen.

Par egzanp en lenvestiser letan i envestir dan en lotel, eski Gouvernman i dan en pozisyon pou fors li an localize ki poursantaz pozisyon dan son lakonpannyen?

Akoz i annan dimoun petet i annan false expectation deor la, so mon ti a kontan ou eklersi sa pou nou bann dimoun pa ganny false expectation.

Akoz si sa i pa dan son Kontra son kondisyon, so nou pa kapab dir Gouvernman i bezwen ale fors li.
MR SPEAKER Ok wi, nou’n al dan en lot kestyon la.

Minis ou a adres li silvouple.

PS ki pou adrese.

Wi PS fer li vit silvouple.

PS JULES BAKER Wi vitman Mr Speaker.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

Annefe parey ou kapab konstate Onorab i annan en sistenm an plas lafason ki GOP i ganny allocate, ki nou apel en quota system ki an plas depi 2016.

E nou’n review li 2020 baze lo sa menm keksoz ki ou’n fer resorti, lo en mank demann resours imen, sorti dan sistenm ledikasyon li menm.
Sesel zanmen nou pou reisir ranplas tou sa travayer etranze ki annan dan Sesel.

E mon kapab dir ou unless ki annan en sanzman enorm dan lafason ki nou prodwir bann dimoun ki sorti dan lekol ki pa pou egziste, nou pa pou kapab Onorab.

Nou pou kontinyelman bezwen sa ki pli enportan se ki nou pa trangle envestiser, pou anpes zot antre Sesel pou zot vin devlope.

Sanmenm sa ki nou annan en quota system baze lo sekter.
E annefe kan nou pe koze la i annan en travay aktiv pou nou revwar, pou nou revwar sa quota system - dan tourism par egzanp kot nou annan bann Inner Islands ki zot pe demann nou pou ogmante.

Outer Islands pe demann nou pou ogmante, konstriksyon ki nou’n fer en legzersis fondamantal avek zot, ki zot vreman happy ozordi.
So tousala i bann keksoz ki nou fer Onorab pou fer sir ki nou pa trangle envestiser, me at the same time i nou responsabilite, [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 i nou manda anba Konstitisyon Sesel Lartik 35, ki priyorite pou travay Sesel i reste pou Seselwa.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Henrie ou kestyon.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour tou dimoun.
Bonzour tou dimoun.

Mon premye kestyon mon le konnen sa Bidze 2023, eski i annan en konponan ladan pou adres sekter enformel, pou asire ki nou adres nou kapab anmas en pe plis taks, dimoun i vin en pe pli responsab e mazin son demen, pou sorti dan sekter enformel e antre dan sekter formel.

Premye kestyon?

Dezyenm kestyon pou Lanplwa i konsern kad legal nou Lasanble 7enm Lasanble nou anvi war bann lamannman neseser, dan Lalwa Lanplwa.

E menm Occupational Safety and Health Act.


Resaman nou’n fer prezantasyon isi kot en dimoun in demann Lasanble Nasyonal pou lobby for amendment neseser dan sa Lalwa - sa i konsern lanplwa.

Sa ki konsern social affairs mon regrete ennler nou met tro lanfaz lo bann keksoz;- konmsi nou bezwen rezourd problenm sosyal.

Konmsi nou konmans lo bout negativ.

Apel li negativ - pa telman negativ me selman apel li koumsa.

Selman nou konnen poudir i annan bann problenm ki nou bezwen deal avek.
Be selman ki mannyer nou adres dan sa Bidze partikilyerman pou travay avek bann lezot Minister, parey Minister Lafanmir, Ledikasyon ki nou vin en Nasyon ki ere, e ki nou selebre bann keksoz ki bon dan nou sosyete, bann fanmir bann endividi bann kominote ki pe fer byen, i ganny regarde konman legzanp e ki alor nou swiv so ki nou vin.

Akoz nou telman pti, pti nou ti merit pli ere ki nou ete ozordi.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

PS Baker i a konmanse.

PS JULES BAKER Mersi.

Premye kestyon.


Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

Premye kestyon i konsern informal sector wi Onorab annefe informal sector i enn nou pli gran konsern, akoz dernyen statistik ki nou annan sorti kot NBS nou informal rate i 16poursan nou popilasyon, ki apepre 8mil dimoun dan lekonomi enformel.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 E savedir 8mil dimoun pa neseserman pe kontribye atraver taks ouswa sekirite sosyal, pou zot long term benefit letan zot retire.
Sa en legzersis ki nou’n konmans travay lo la e i dan Bidze e mon kapab konfirmen, ki en proze konzwent avek ILO ki’n pare pou donn nou lasistans pou fund.

Nou ti’n konmans inisyalman idantifye en konsiltan Seselwa, pou kapab ed nou lo la.

Me malerezman poudir ki nou pa’n reisir kapab ariv lo sa standar.

E finalman ILO pe ed nou pou donn en konsiltan etranze me selman zot pou donn nou enpe lasistans finans e osi enpe lasistans teknik, pou nou kapab finaliz sa proze.
I tre enportan Onorab sa kestyon ki ou’n fer sorti, akoz nou, nou pe dir se ki, taler ti annan en Onorab ti demann nou en kestyon lo kote youth unemployment.

Bokou fwa sa bann zenn pa antre dan lekonomi formel zot plito al dan enformel, akoz zot anvi cash zot larzan vitman.

E prezan zot pe anvi pey taks.

So alors sa i en legzersis ki nou bezwen fer primordyal pou nou fer li nou priyorite lannen prosen e lannen 2024 pou nou kapab achieve sa, sa lentervansyon ki Gouvernman i bezwen fer.
Lo kote legal framework parey nou kapab konstate wi Employment Act i neseser pou nou kapab amande baze depi date depi 1995, e in annan plizyer konsiltasyon nasyonal avek tou partner enternasyonal osi, ki zot pa asiste nou.

E annefe nou pe prezimen ki en premye Prozedlwa propozisyon, i kapab vin devan Cabinet, premye term lannen prosen e ki kekfwa letan nou travay avek AG’s Office nou a kapab ganny en draft en proper draft Bill pou vin devan Lasanble Nasyonal, apartir dezyenm quarter lannen prosen.
Fodre kapab konstate wi nou annan en pe retar avek li akoz konsiltasyon lo Employment Act i annan lenpak lo biznes, lo lekonomi, lo travayer, lo human rights lo diferan laspe.

I pa en Lalwa ki aplikab pou zis en parti sekter, me i aplikab pou sekter lekonomi antye.

Me nou bezwen fer sir ki nou ganny li byen this time dan sa prosesis modern ki nou pe viv ladan.

Lo kote ‘OSH’ i en keksoz ki i osi o fon nou leker, nou’n war ki li i date depi 1978.
En legzersis i fini konmans fer avek ILO e i lo nou Cabinet work plan pou lannen prosen osi, pou nou kapab fer sir ki bann legzersis i a kapab fer.

Annefe dan nou safety week ki nou fek fer 2 semenn pase, sa in sorti tre for an term Minister Lasante, Minister Lanplwa e menm Minister pou Lenfrastriktir ki ti osi attend seremoni.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Kot ti fer resorti ki dan konstriksyon par egzanp ki kantite risk e danze ki i annan.
E osi i annan danze lo kote laferm.

Par egzanp bann chemical exposures ki en dimoun pe al kot clinic pa neseserman pe ganny diagnose avek the cause of the problem.

Me plito i pe donn li plis son pilil ki i neseser.

Akoz bann keksoz koumsa i enportan pou nou adrese e nou kapab garanti ki sa Bidze ki nou’n gannyen, nou kapab fer en pe travay pou konmanse pou 2023 o fir ki nou ariv 2025 pou konplete.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Wi nou annan en trwazyenm kestyon lo Sosyal.

Minis wi.
Minis wi.

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

Mon kontan ki mannyer ou’n fer ou lentrodiksyon lo Sosyal, akoz toultan i annan sa persepsyon Social should devret pe fer tou keksoz.

Non Sosyal pa pou kapab fer tou keksoz.

Ankor mon dir tou dimoun dan Sesel i annan en responsabilite pou kapab donn en koudmen pou fer sir ki nou bann fleo lo nou annan konpri bann keksoz pou fer avek disaffection parey nou dir, disfunctional families ki pe struggle.
Tou dimoun i annan en responsabilite pou li donn en koudmen Onorab kot Departman Social annefe nou manda dan parey nou’n dir dan progranm 3, se pou fer sir ki nou donn sa servis.

E letan nou pe koz donn sa servis, nou pe fer sir ki nou pe meet ek nou bann partners kle, pou nou kapab lo menm paz sant menm sanson.

Akoz si nou kontinyen sakenn fer keksoz an izolasyon, sa lamars pou vin pli difisil.
Be the time is not right now pou nou kapab fer sa la nou lo en time ticking bomb - sa bann keksoz ki pe arive dan Sesel sirtou avek nou bann zenn.

Me selman sa ki ankourazan, se bann partners is coming together.

Nou’n deza fer 2 main meetings avek ledikasyon zanfan children, children 2, 2 Minister ki annan zanfan.

Alor nou bezwen ansanm lo menm paz.

Nou fer en gran meeting ek tou zot tim pou regarde ki mannyer nou move forward.

Nou’n fer en gran meeting avek Departman Lafanmir, e sa ti very successful.
Again tou High Level met koze lo latab fran, annou koze, kote si zot si nou krwar nou pe mont lo lipye kanmarad it’s not a bad thing, akoz plis nou mont lo lipye kanmarad plis nou kapab donnen.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 E nou’n war par egzanp letan nou ti pe koz lo bann parenting programs, si ou pou regarde NCC i fer parenting programs kot nou, nou fer parenting programs.
Mon mazinen Ledikasyon ler i a vin koze i annan son konponan li osi i fer, Lafanmir i fer parenting programs.

Nou pe sey anmennen tou sa lapat ansanm, pou sey regarde bann ki’n e sape laba ki mannyer nou ganny li, ki mannyer nou fer li vini.

E sa travay i en travay enorm.

Konmsi nou pa pou kapab dir ou pe mont lo mon lipye, ou pe mont lo mon lipye.

Annou tire sa kalite mindset and talk.

Ou konnen akoz it’s all about Seychelles.


E fer en diferans avek nou bann nou popilasyon nou bann zenn e bann dimoun ki vilnerab.

Si ou regarde nou parenting program ki nou’n konmanse, e sa i an partenarya avek Lasante, akoz kote nou pou ganny bann, bann paran ki at risk for example.

E sa nou pe konmans bann paran enpe pli zenn ki bann teenage mothers ki pa zis - but mothers ki pe al ganny zanfan konman sa ledikasyon, avek sa nuturing ek sa empowering ek zot byen boner.
Dan sa pti moman la nou annan en progranm ki’n set up avek partnership with Health, nou’n target nou’n fer 24 sesyon deza nou’n target 214 partisipan.

These are participants ki usually si ti en zenn manman ou pa ti pou war li - i lo drog, i lo lalkol, me selman nou pe equip zot, nou pe empower zot, nou pe donn zot the right skills pou zot kapab access sa support.

And then met zot dan training pou al dan lanplwa.

Ou war i en process ki nou, nou bezwen fer.


E toultan i sa bann targeted group ki vulnerable.

E alor mon chapeau to bann travayer sosyal ek bann progranm ki zot fer.

Akoz they’re going out the extra mile, pou kapab fer sir nou atrap tou sa keksoz, e nou pa les nanryen pase oubyen, oubyen tonbe.

E nou pe konmans li pli zenn.

Si nou get it wrong because one generation petet we missed, we have got to go back and start it very early.

Mersi Onorab.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Minis.


Onorab Roucou ou pass, ok. Onorab Woodcock i next.

HON WAVEL WOODCOCK Mersi Mr Chairman.

Bonzour Minis ou lekip, tou Manm e tou dimoun a lekout.

Minis zis pou konmanse, i annan sa lalis ki ou [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 ki ganny sirkile tou le Lendi la ki ganny anvoy kot bann MNAs, eski i ganny anvoy zis kot MNAs LDS sa ouswa i ganny anvoy kot MNA US ?

Petet i al dan zot spam folder akoz mon pa konnen.


Apre mon kestyon i baze lo sa major achievement - lo zot lalis major achievement.

An 2021 ti annan 1837, 37 job placement konpare avek 852 placement an 2020 ler Covid ti lo son peak.

E pandan sa bann letan Departman Lanplwa ti pran desizyon, pou aret bann progranm;- bann progranm parey URS, bann progranm parey SETS.

Eski zot ti nobou plas tou sa bann zenn sa bann, sa bann dimoun ki ti lo sa 2 progranm SETS ek URS dan lanplwa ozordi?
Apre mon dezyenm kestyon i en kontrent, i en issue ki nou pe fer fas avek lo zil Praslin, La Digue osi, kot bokou bann dimoun ki otreman kapab pe ganny difikilte pou ganny travay.

Eski zot annan en progranm pou sey ede plas nou bann dimoun ki otreman kapab dan lanplwa?
Finalman mon dernyen kestyon i byento i annan en youth detention center ki pou, ki pou ouver Praslin, sa i pou tonm anba Departman Prizon sa i pou bann zenn ki fer lofans i pou baze ex Dove Center, me mon kestyon i ziska prezan nou still pa ankor ganny en landrwa pou bann zanfan ki fer fas avek bann problenm sosyal ki ganny abize, manrmay ki pe fer fas avek neglect, tou bann diferan form labi.

Mon kestyon i mon krwar dan Bidze i annan sa alokasyon sa R42.750milyon, avek en alokasyon R9milyon pou sa lannen.
Mon kestyon akoz sa i en zafer ki i annan pa mal lannen sote 10an ki sipoze ganny fer.

Eski sa proze pou konmanse lannen 2023, e vi ki i zis en Bidze pou R9milyon, kan eski zot pou espekte, ki timeframe ki sa proze pou, pou konplete e en pti pe donn en pe detay lo fasilite bann keksoz zot anvizaze annan kot sa fasilite?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis ou a konmanse.

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.
Mersi Onorab.

Pou reponn ou kestyon, wi Onorab tou MNAs dan sa lasal i ganny en lalis bann vacancies tou le semenn.

E in addition avek sa nou anvoy kot Judiciary, nou anvoy kot Sosyal, nou anvoy kot tou landrwa ki sipoze kapab ed en zenn oubyen en adilt pou antre dan lanplwa tou dimoun i ganny sa lalis.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 E on top of that i lo nou Facebook page;- on top of that nou met lo televizyon 2 fwa par semenn.
Ok pou URS ler URS ti fermen ki ti en bon desizyon Gouvernman.

Nou ti realize poudir nou bezwen donn zot sipor pou zot kapab reskill, e nou ti donn en, en timeframe en dele letan pou zot vin anrezistre ki ti byen long.

Savedir again empowering nou dimoun oule en travay oule reskill, vin devan e zot ti annan en timeline ki zot ti konnen poudir URS will come to an end, nou ti war en kantite zot ki ti vin anrezistre.
E mon konnen mon’n vin dan Lasanble plizyer fwa mon’n donn zot figures after figures, pou montre poudir bann dimoun pran louvraz.

E letan sa in fini sa registration ki nou ti konnen zot ti URS, ki training zot ti le, then we treated them as a normal employee seeking for a job.

Nenport ki dimoun ki pe rod en louvraz e letan nou fer nou bann survey ki nou call, right now ou pa pou dir ki ou ti URS ou pa ti URS.

You are a job seeker right?

You are a job seeker looking for a job.


So the fact ki parey mon’n dir nou annan nou zis 467, mon mazinen sa lalis ki ti annan bann URS ki ti lo la, they are in jobs.

And the good news i petet la zot a kapab ganny en 50poursan 13enm mwan saler, ki zot pa ti’n gannyen avan.

So i good news e mon fer lapel ankor la ki zot pe rod louvraz vini vin devan vin anrezistre e louvraz i annan 4500 louvraz pou nou plas 467 dimoun.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Tre byen.

Mon, mon krwar mon ankor annan 2 pwen.


Lekel ki pe al … PS Melanie.

Otreman kapab avek …?

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Anr ok otreman kapab, sorry.

Ou ti demande si nou pe plas zot - anr wi, wi, wi.

Training se sa ki nou’n fer ki Onorab ti’n demande avan, so we’ve done the training already e nou pe al Praslin pou nou target the group.

I annan 20 ki nou pe al konmanse pou Praslin, either December or in the new year pou nou konmanse avek zot.

E zot dan louvraz.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.


PS Social Affairs pou adres dernyen.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Konsernan sa lot proze ki Onorab pe koz lo la, ki larzan in ganny mete dan PSIP parey Minis in dir, boner lannen prosen, akoz nou ti’n deza annan en plan pou Cap Ternay.
E boner lannen prosen ansanm avek CEO SIA nou pou war sa plan ki’n annan, pou nou kapab refer travay lo la kot later ki nou ava ganny allocate, landrwa ki nou a ganny allocate pou nou kapab war si nou kapab fit in sa plan.

So nou kapab dir poudir bann diskisyon e bann demars pou nou kapab met sa plan an egzekisyon, pou ganny fer lannen prosen.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Next is Onorab Samynadin.

HON KELLY SAMYNADIN Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour Minis avek ou delegasyon.


Minis premyerman 2 eleman ki pe enpakte negativman lo lazenes pou ganny en lanplwa se mank leksperyans, avek talan spesifik.

Mon ti a kontan ki mezir ou mekanizm, mekanizm ki ou Minister pe met an plas, pou reisir kapab akonplir bann target ki lo latab 8. ki koz lo sityasyon mank lanplwa parmi bann zenn Seselwa?

Dezyenmman nou konnen ki sa 2 group laz zenn 15an a 17an avek 18 a 20an, zot mazorite bann school dropouts.
E sa i zeneralman lye avek bann sityasyon sosyal, oubyen swa zot pe angaz zot dan bann labi sibstans.

Apart devlop zot employability skills, eski sa progranm skills development i fer provizyon pou okenn form reabilitasyon pou kapab ed zot vin bann pli bon sitwayen?

E ki poursantaz zenn dan kategori 17an an montan ki’n successfully antre dan en lanplwa formel?
E mon kestyon pou Departman Sosyal, dan zot ‘current challenges’ mon war ki zot pe rankontre difikilte pou antreprann bann progranm disiplin dan en lanvironnman kontrole, pou adres logmantasyon lo lakantite zenn ki pe demontre latitid anti sosyal dan la kominote.
So an vi bann konstrent ki pe kontinyelman ogmante dan Vilaz Prezidan spesifikman ki swa lo nivo bann orfelen oubyen lo nivo ankadrer li menm, ki kalite travay ek sinerzi ki zot pe lezot antreprann ek Departman Lafanmir ensi ki bann [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 stakeholders, pou kapab remedye sa sityasyon dan sa lenstitisyon?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Bon nou annan 3, 2 pou Lanplwa 1 pou Social, panel pa bliye gard kestyon focused.

PS?
PS?

PS JULES BAKER Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

An term leksperyans Minis in fini koz lo bann progranm ki nou deza annan reskilling, My First Job ki nou annan, mon pa pou elabor lo la plis ki sa.

Me ou kestyon spesifik an term 15 a 17 nou tou nou konnen ki bann challenges ki nou face, ki zot dropout of school.

E normalman nou war ki i annan bann nesesite pou donn zot plis employability pou zot antre dan landrwa travay.
Sa i konsern sirtou bann soft skills ki nou war they are very lacking, akoz zot pa prepar zot pou al attend bann interviews, zot met diferan kalite resanz diferan lenz.

Nou bezwen fer zot vin en pe pli rezilyan, pli konsyan responsabilite anver travay e ki mannyer zot pou kapab ganny en travay.

Annefe anba skills development, mon kapab donn ou en pe figures la;- in term of placement dan 213 zanfan - 213 zanfan in fini ganny plase anba SDP.

Sa i reprezant 18poursan dan akomodasyon avek food services.
16poursan dan public administration; 14poursan dan konstriksyon; 12poursan dan trade and other motor vehicles.

Par egzanp i annan bann zenn ki kontan fer mekanik, kontan fer bann pti, pti servis ki zot kapab osi devlope.

So nou war ki gradyelman nou fer en kantite progre lo progranm SDP e nou fer bokou plis progre avek My First Job, akoz sa bann manrmay zot in fini vin en post graduate - zot fini annan kalifikasyon.
E anplwayer ki kapab accommodate zot e li mon kapab dir over 80percent of success rate e bann dimoun i ganny anploye.

Sa ki pli enportan ankor, se ki anplwayer pa demann refund.

Zot in fini war bann dimoun i deza annan konpetans e nou kapab fer savings lo nou larzan.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis, wi?

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Onorab.

Mersi Mr Chair.
Mersi Mr Chair.

Zis pou azoute Onorab nou travay avek Minister Ledikasyon in partnership, akoz si ou regarde letan Covid was at its peak, nou ti fer en gran louvraz pou fer sir ki zanfan i reste dan lemonn letid.

E zot ti fer sir ki zot in fer sa byen.

E zot kontinyen fer sir ki don’t let them drop out.

Drop out should not be an option ou konpran?

Mon konnen ou konpran sa.


E letan zot lo pos -segonder osi, pa les zot kit dan milye seme - let them - ki nou fer an plis pou fer sir sa zanfan i succeed right through?

I pou zot benefit at the end of the day.

E Departman Lanplwa ankouraz zot osi lo sa bann progranm ler zot CVs pou zot, i nurturing sa, ou pe nurture zot ou pa pe zis fer employability skills, ou pe fer life skills ki en progranm byen detaye in itself.
Akoz ou pou donn zot sa bann kek skills ki zot pa’n gannyen, ki zot in deza manke ki zot pa pe gannyen dan lakour.

Mersi mon a les PS William Melanie koz lo sa bout sosyal Mr Chair.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Yes PS.

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou kestyon.

Mon krwar sa kestyon ki ou’n souleve i en konsern ki Lasanble in deza debat lo la, in demann Minis bokou lo la.
Nou kontinyen travay avek Management Vilaz Prezidan e Departman Lafanmir pou nou kapab vreman war ki solisyon, oubyen ki bann stratezi nou kapab pran pou adres sityasyon.

I plito en pti pe lo konportman, e osi avek bann staff vilaz.

So travay i kontinyen e nou swete war en amelyorasyon avek bann stratezi ki nou anvi met an plas.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Naidu.

HON SATHYA NAIDU Bonzour.

Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour Minis ek ou delegasyon e tou koleg Onorab.


Lo size bann young job seekers, parfwa bann zenn i soumet bann konsern poudir bann pozisyon ki ganny advertise, zot pe ganny demande 6an leksperyans serten leksperyans, malgre ki zot menm annan en Masters.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Alors ki mannyer eski Departman Lanplwa i anvizaze adres sa defi?
Lo size lakantite job seekers ki’n ganny anrezistre - nou’n ganny dir par anba 500 - wi tou le semenn nou resevwar en lalis, wi.

Me nou pa resevwar lalis bann job seekers dan nou distrik akoz ler zot vin war nou zot in dir ‘wi mon’n desann pou anrezistre, selman mon pa pe ganny okenn feedback’.
E se la - pa totalman - me selman en poursantaz mon dakor avek Onorab Gabriel vizavi kestyon ki li in soumet, pou kapab desantraliz sa servis pa neseserman ki i bezwen annan en dimoun dan biro me selman lenformasyon lafason ki i ganny partaze.

An relasyon avek size sosyal, nou tou nou konsyan poudir whether like it or not sa ki mon war lo teren, i vreman enkyetan parfwa mon demann mon lekor eski nou pe fer fas avek en kriz sosyal?

Wi.
Wi.

me selman pou counteract mon poudir sa ki mon koleg Onorab Henrie in fer resorti nou bezwen senm bann mesaz ki pozitiv.

Ler mon pe regard the performance measures mon pe war lo size number of reporting cases apepre 1400 e nou pe rezourd apepre 300.

Wi i annan approved spending pou apepre en douzenn si mon pa tronpe mwens social workers savedir an tou mon panse nou kapab annan 25 social workers.
Nou kapab planifye pou lefitir osi, me pou mwan personnelman baze lo sityasyon ki pei i ladan social workers pa pou zanmen ase.

Alors what is the way forward.

Ki mannyer eski Departman Sosyal i anvizaze kolabore avek bann diferan Lazans pou adres bann kartel ki labi zanfan?

Nou konnen lo nivo sosyete parfwa dan bann fanmir ou a krwar in vin en norm ozordi e i pa akseptab e nou bezwen rod en fason akoz nou pe koz lo zenerasyon ki pe al vin diriz nou pei demen.
E pou mwan ler mon war 1600 ka ler bann zanfan pe ganny abize i en keksoz ki vreman i fatig mon lespri e mon swe se ki nou kapab ganny the way forward.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

E Onorab osi i a remarke sa dernyen kestyon i vast donk ankor enn fwa mon demann panel ler zot reponn pou summaries silvouple.

So nou a konmans avek lanplwa.

PS Baker i konmanse.

PS JULES BAKER [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.


Mon pou repete ankor ki nou konstate ki i toultan en defi parey tou lezot pei o monn ki youth unemployment i reste o akoz i annan sa issue mank leksperyans akoz zot pa reisir tenir dan sistenm ledikasyon pou letan ki zot sipoze konplete.
E Gouvernman i annan de progranm an plas nou annan SDP ki anplwayer i pey zis 30poursan saler, allowance e en Gouvernman i pey 70poursan ankor enn fwa avek bi pou donn anplwayer en incentive pou donn sa zenn sans pou antre dan lemonn travay aprann en metye e sa i pou ale ant 6mwan a 18mwan kot sa zenn i ganny en serten allowance e Gouvernman i subsidies the allowance.

Lo kote My First Job menm si sa i en post secondary graduates nou Gouvernman i pey 60poursan zot saler, e en anplwayer i pey 40poursan.
Sa ankor ki menm si kontinyelman argue avek nou poudir sa bann dimoun napa leksperyans, me ki nou fer osi se ki nou ankouraz zot avan nou donn zot en GOP pou plas sa bann zenn vizavi sa GOP holders; So plas sa bann zenn vizavi en, en Seselwa ki pli eksperyanse avek bi ki over a period of 1 year to 2 years sa zenn in fini ganny sa potansyel.

Sanmenm sa ki ou war nou bann success rate bann partisipan, zot reisir ganny en lanplwa vitman apre zot formasyon.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis wi?


MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chair.

Pou mwan pa repet en pti pe lo kote Sosyal Onorab, mon santi ou, ou pasyon ki ou pe dir; mon santi osi sa lapenn ki bann sityasyon ki sa ki nou annan dan nou pei.

I very sad.

Letan nou koz bann cases ki nou pe dir numbers la i bann cumulative cases.
Ou konnen lannen pase mon ti la ti annan en dimoun i ti demann ek mon fanmir pa sorti ki mannyer i exit, families do not exit lo nou database akoz letan ou’n fini travay avek sa zanfan ki 8an, then ou pran sa enn ki 14an then ou pran manman ki vulnerable then o upran papa ki vulnerable.

Zot, zot reste la zot so zot situation is always very hard in terms of the social issues, akoz sa bann fleo whether it’s drugs, whether it’s lalkol ki nou annan, oubyen breakdown families.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Yer swar mon pe regard bann data bann family conflict ki arive dan fanmir, is one of the highest figures that we have on a monthly basis.

What is family conflict family conflict is as if papa, manman, ser, frer pe fer konfli dan lakaz right so ler i annan konfli dan lakaz nou konnen nou sa bann issues ki fanmir pe diskit lo la.

Lekel ki ganny afekte?


Sa zanfan ki ganny afekte, be ler i vin lekol i pe plere toulezour; ler i vin lekol poudir risk ki in ganny abize physical, emotional or whatever, it’s part of the whole case.

So bann case, bann cases but the numbers will always be accumulated and social services can continue to work with them.

imagine Tou bann Lazans konsernen.

ki ou kapab Departman Sosyal pou kapab travay avek, nou pe travay avek.
Nou annan nou sa ki nou apel NCCP en National Commission pou Child Protection Committee ki asize e tou, tou sa Minister tou sa Agency tou sa Departman i asiz lo la, lo very High-Level e mwan, mon asiz lo la osi.

Pou nou kapab regarde ki mannyer nou kapab fer keksoz vin byen ansanm.

En keksoz ki kekfwa mon ti a kontan petet dir zot bann Onorab, mon pou envit zot en zour pas en few hours kot Departman Sosyal.
So zot kapab konport zot vreman byen ki mannyer nou louvraz i fonksyonnen, akoz kekfwa nou pa pe fer justice by speaking here.

So mon met en lapel, please lannen prosen vin war nou ler zot annan bann zour ki zot pa la mon ti a kontan fer zot en tour.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Mon remind bann Manm nou’n pas letan ki nou ti’n mete pou sa.

Mon pe zis fer zot realize ki nou pa kapab afford en deba konplet lo problenm sosyal dan sa travay ki nou annan la.
So silvouple annou sey fer li mon annan ankor 7 Manm ki annan kestyon.

Onorab ou pe demann kestyon oubyen point of order ou kwa?

Onorab Loze, yes?

HON JOHAN LOZE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker mon pe seek ou gidans anba Order 8 lo konportman e deroulman sesyon Lasanble.

Mr Speaker kestyon ki Onorab Naidu in met devan Lasanble i pe eksprim konsern son zabitan dan distrik.
I esansyelman menm kestyon ki Onorab Vidot in met devan Lasanble kot i ti pe eksprim konsern son constituent li osi dan [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 distrik.

The Minister gave a very rude push back to Onorab Vidot, but at the same time in deklar Onorab Naidu konman passionate, i rekonnet son pasyon.

Mr Speaker nou tou nou la pou travay.

United Seychelles nou pe fer menm louvraz ki LDS pe fer.
Nou rekonnet zot zefor, zot pasyon e zot travay at that menm enstan, we are not going to sit here without protest and be treated lafason ki Minis pe tret nou bann Manm!

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Bon nou avanse lo kestyon.

Silvouple gard kestyon focus lo Bidze.

Onorab Arissol - Sandy.

HON SANDY ARISSOL Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour tou bann Manm.

Bonzour tou dimoun.

Mon krwar lafason ki nou adres Minis osi mon krwar i enportan - so -dan nou deliberasyon.
Mr Speaker mon ti a kontan premyerman felisit Minis avek ou bann zofisye pou travay ki zot in fer.

Parfwa i annan travay ki zot fer ki nou pa konnen.

Mersi pou sa travay ki zot in fer.

Mon ti a kontan felisit osi Madanm Linda William dan son kapasite konman PS an relasyon avek Sosyal, kantite problenm nou annan e parey ou’n dir ek nou, nou pa pou kapab deal avek, me selman nou apresye travay ki zot pe fer kot Sosyal.
Mon social worker i apel Marie Antoinette Labiche - lovely girl pe fer travay ekselan pou Bel Ombre.

Mon kestyon i lo program 2 Mr Chair lo labor protection mon annan mwan 3 kestyon.

Mon premye kestyon mon ti a kontan demann Minis parske mon’n tann mazorite bann Manm in koz lo la, se an relasyon avek bann HR dan bann landrwa travay.
Bidze pe fer provizyon ki mon pe donn zot se - parske bann zenn i vin kot ou letan zot desann zot al fer zot interview - pa bliye zot pa travay zot, - zot bezwen anmenn portre paspor, zot bezwen fer photocopy serten dokiman.

E letan zot in fer tou sa demars zot ariv laba zot vin fer zot interview napa larepons ki ganny donnen, pou dir ek li aret espere fer en lot demars parske nou pa pe pran ou.

I kontinyen espere, i espere ziska amen, e li i pa bouze dan son lavi.
Alor eski sa Bidze pe permet ki i annan en travay ant ou Minister ek tou bann HR, pou zot annan sa kominikasyon avek bann zenn, oubyen nenport ki dimoun menm sa dimoun 58an dan distrik Onorab Audrey - pou li kapab ganny en plas travay?
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Mon dezyenm kestyon Mr Chair, mon aprann Minis ou ti dan, ou ti dan enn lotel dan distrik Bel Ombre ou avek ou zofisye, an relasyon avek rapor ki zot ti gannyen oubyen i annan vizit ki zot in fer in regards to bann lotel par egzanp kot zot in vizit bann lotel an relasyon ek bann lensidan ki pase.
Ou konnen nou annan bann gran lotel dan pei ozordi e Bel Ombre nou annan nou, nou en distrik ki annan kantite lotel, e bann travayer Seselwa anvi ki program 2 i koz labor protection, zot konplent an relasyon avek lensilt.

Kalite tretman ki zot gannyen avek bann travayer etranze, sirtou lo nivo Management, alor mon kestyon ki mon ti a kontan demann ou, eski Bidze i fer provizyon pou ki bann zofisye - bann gro high official dan sa bann gro lotel la, ki penalti ki annan pou zot dan sa Bidze anba ou Minister?
Parske souvandfwa sa penalti i al pou sa travayer, me napa nanryen pou sa bann gro etranze ki antre dan nou pei e zot kontinyen maltret nou Seselwa lo nivo lotelri.

Mon trwazyenm e mon dernyen kestyon Mr Chair, mon ti a kontan demann Minis eski Minister Lanplwa ek Minister Imigrasyon i annan en travay ki zot pe fer an kolaborasyon zot 2 pou asire ki bann etranze ki antre dan nou pei pou travay, zot pe vreman fer sa travay ki zot in antre dan pei pou fer?
Pa 8er 4er i pe fer, i pe fer gardyen en lot landrwa, apre ou war li dan en take away aswar pe fer lot louvraz.

Eski i annan en travay ki pe ganny fer pou asire ki kalite e kantite etranze ki pe antre dan nou pei pe ganny monitor e pe ganny fer en travay byen?

Mersi bokou Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Minis wi.

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.
Mersi Onorab.

Onorab mon a pran sa bout ki ou pe koz lo bann Managers dan bann lotel bann expatriat Managers dan bann lotel ki nou bann travayer annan de fwa pe ganny pa mal problenm avek.

Wi mon ti fer vizit recently e mon manda se pou fer vizit dan tou landrwa travay, e zisteman akoz nou ti pe ganny bokou konplent, ki ou war mon pe deplase mon al lo teren pou mwan regarde ki pe pase.
Mon kontan ler mon al fer sa bann vizit, mon pa mars ek Management mwan, mon mars ek travayer so that I can listen to [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 what they are saying.

E tou le de sa landrwa ki mon ti ale travayer ti asiz avek mon pou met keksoz lo latab.

Me toultan mon dir ek zot e mon toultan dir dan Lasanble osi, zot dir mon verbally sa ki donn mon weight pou mon kapab fer en keksoz lo la, si mon bezwen en keksoz an ekrir.
E mon kontan la aprezan ki mon ganny plis.

E zisteman sa bann lotel ki mon pe koz lo la other establishments, nou pe ganny dimoun ki pe met keksoz an ekrir.

La mon generate nou inspection team right, nou annan plis ki 400 inspection visits ki nou’n fer ziska la.

I manpower in itself, pou ou tir dimoun zis pou al fer vizit lo tou konstriksyon, lagrikiltir, lotel lo bann zil we don’t have that kind of manpower me selman nou travay as much as nou can.
Be bann ki vin priyorite e bann ki vin urgency nou priyoritiz nou fer sir bann dimoun i ale.

Mon hold to task sa bann expatriats ki vin Sesel ki pa pe travay oubyen konpran nou kiltir oubyen travay avek nou dimoun byen.

I hold them to task by asking them to come in, akoz mwan, mon fini mon louvraz pou mwan met keksoz devan zot.

E zot GOP is always unstable - ou konnen i pa vedir akoz ou’n vini la 2an ou pa pou sanz ou, ou fason travay pou fer li vin pli byen, adapte en pti pe kiltir.
I annan keksoz ki nou, nou ti war dan bann vizit nou ti dir non, non, non sa pa normal has to stop.

E mon war letan nou ale oubyen inspection team i ale, zot arete.

Be selman toultan nou pa tande nou pa war, i pa fasil pou nou zis travay lo la.

So again mon plea avek piblik out there is raporte, raporte, raporte, raporte!

Mon war piblik tou le semenn, met ou apwentman, vin war mwan, fer mon konnen met an ekrir call we will act on it.

Nou - mon pa dir nou fer tou, me selman nou bi se pou fer tou.
E mon krwar bann etranze ki vin travay dan nou pei, zot bezwen annan en respe total pou nou bann travayer.

Zot bezwen konpran nou kiltir, zot bezwen konpran osi what they can do and cannot do.

So pou zot annan sa fason pou zot adapte, se sa ki letan zot vini nou, nou demande pou fer en meeting avek zot - en courtesy meeting ou en induction meeting.
Kot mon asiz avek tou mon seksyon dan departman e mon fer zot konpran poudir Lalwa Lanplwa i dir sa, sa i ava vin dan labor relations, sa i a vin dan welfare section ki nou edik zot pou zot konpran.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Akoz i annan de fwa kot zot sorti it doesn’t work like that.

So mon pou kontinyelman dir poudir si en travayer i pe santi i pe ganny mistreated, oubyen i annan keksoz ki pe arive pa devret arive, bring it to our attention i enportan.

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Bon i reste mon en bonpe entervenan nou pou pran en poz la e nou a repran travay 11er10.

Mersi.

(BREAK) MR SPEAKER Nou a repran kestyon avek Onorab Lemiel.

HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour Minis avek delegasyon, tou dimoun a lekout.

Mr Chair enn mon kestyon Minis in tous en pti pe lo la akoz mwan, mon pe mazin dan enn zot bann priyorite stratezik, kot zot in dir zot le increase lo lakantite Seselwa, li menm ki pa pe travay parey mon bann lezot koleg in koz lo la.
Me selman Minis ler ou’n tou lo la dan larepons Onorab Gabriel, ou’n nonmen ki wi zot ti pe mazin pou fer decentralise par egzanp job fairs.

Mwan, mon pou met en lanfaz lo la sa i enportan i devret ganny fer e mwan, mon ti le konnen mon kestyon dan Bidze 2023, eski ou annan en konponan ki petet la zot pe, zot pe diskite.
Me eski ou annan en konponan larzan dan Bidze 2023 ki at least 1 - 1 lo en nivo rezyon petet i ganny fer, e ler i ganny fer petet kot zot envit bann biznes ki around dan sa rezyon dan sa distrik ki zot osi zot vini zot fer en pti pe promosyon.

E ankouraz zot pou anploy Seselwa instead of al rod etranze pou zot met dan zot landrwa travay.

Mon lot kestyon i ti pou Departman Sosyal;- Departman Sosyal mon war enn zot priyorite stratezik se ki zot ti le met an plas en family service facility.
Mon kestyon la i se ki i ti pou parey en sort of a one-stop shop.

Dan Bidze 2023 Minis, eski pou annan larzan dan Bidze ki pou dedye a sa servis ki zot pe mazin donnen ?

E si wi mon pe mazinen ki konponan sonm larzan dan Bidze ki zot pe mazin met dan sa servis, eski i en servis kot zot pou bezwen met li dan en lokasyon prive?
Pou annan rent pou sa [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 alokasyon, petet ti a bon nou ganny en pti pe plis detay an term bidzeter ki kantite zot pe pran pou zot kapab fer sa one-stop shop servis?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Minis.

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.


Wi mon krwar dernyen fwa osi ler mon ti vin dan Lasanble mon ti dir poudir sa bann job fairs ki nou ti fer lo Praslin apre nou’n fer lo La Digue, nou pou repete dan bann regional districts.

So definitely sa i lo nou azanda.

E wi mon krwar nou pou konmans kot ou menm laba premye, because mon konnen demann i for - sirtou dan sid.

I en good model sa it’s inviting tou stakeholders, partners but also bann ki pou advertise zot bann vacancies sirtou dan sid, pou zot kapab fer sa.
So this is the model that has worked.

Nou ti annan plis sikse lo Praslin, akoz La Digue mon krwar tou dimoun ti pe travay.

So nou pa ti’n ganny bokou dimoun – whereas - Apre nou’n anmenn Lazans antye Minister antye.

I pa zis Lanplwa, i Sosyal i ASP all together, so that’s the model that we are going to do.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Dezyenm pwen PS Social Affairs.

PS LINDA WILLIAM MELANIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou sa kestyon.

I donn nou sa loportinite pou nou eksplike ki nou pe mean by sa stratezi.
Parey nou konnen problenm i partou li e i annan diferan partner, antite ki pe travay avek bann problenm ki tous lafanmir.

Me selman sa ki nou, nou konstate dan Departman Zafer Sosyal akoz nou deza annan nou travayer ki fer On-call, ler nou annan children’s helpline oubyen annan bann lezot demann ki Lapolis pe call nou ki annan bann sityasyon fanmir.

E parey nou konnen domestic violence i ariv aswar li.

Sa bann konfli dan lafanmir i ariv aswar, ler tou dimoun i dan lakour.
E nou, nou pe revwar nou fason travay, akoz in ariv en pwen pou met nou lo menm nivo parey enternasyonalman, kot i annan landrwa kot dimoun i kapab ale pou ganny sa servis, letan i bezwen.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Ler nou’n koz sa family crisis intervention center i wi pou en one-stop center akoz nou bezwen reponn lo labi zanfan, nou bezwen reponn lo kad vyolans domestik.
E nou pe war apre ler travay, en social worker - mon kontan donn sa legzanp dan landrwa pli lwen i reste Morne Blanc i On-call i bezwen sorti aswar kot li, pou li al asiste lapolis avek en zanfan.

So nou dan nou stratezi se ki i bezwen annan en landrwa ki ase santralize pou Sesel, i pa pou Departman Zafer Sosyal mon’n dir.

Ki nou kapab annan Lapolis, travayer Sosyal akoz nou’n fini konmans sansibiliz nou travayer nou bezwen osi pe antre konman en shift system.
Ki nou annan sa bann travayer ki On-call apre ler ki zot konnen zot pa bezwen al dan lakour apre 8er 4er, apre reste on call.

Nou ava annan en group ki pou travay dan sa fasilite ki nou ankor an diskisyon avek nou bann partners.

Parey Minis in dir nou’n diskit ek Lapolis.


Nou’n diskit avek Ledikasyon nou’n zwenn avek Minister Lafanmir Lendi la nou annan Minister Lasante ki bann partner kle ki deal avek tou sa bann sityasyon kot nou travayer ansanm ek Lapolis, zofisye Lasante, kot i a neseser i ava annan sa landrwa kot nou kapab pli byen reponn bezwen nou bann piblik.
Nou bann dimoun ki dan detres, me parkont i napa en Bidze spesifik pou lannen 2023, akoz nou deza annan serten larzan rent ki par egzanp nou pe travay avek Lapolis, the Child Protection Unit ki son Bidze i anba pou nou.

Kot nou pey rent koz zot ete Unity House, so nou ler SIA nou’n travay avek zot nou war si i annan en lokasyon santral ki nou kapab gannyen alternativ, ki nou kapab convert i ava deza annan en pe larzan.
Me tou bann zofisye bann travayer i la dan tou bann lezot antite, Lapolis i la travayer Sosyal i la, zis pou nou anmenn sa servis anba en sel twa.

Ou konpran?

So vwala en pti pe nou stratezi pou nou si oule vreman reponn bezwen, nouvo bezwen ki nou war dan sosyete atraver bann diferan problenm ki lafanmir pe fer fas avek.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi PS.

Onorab Cosgrow.

HON WALLACE COSGROW Mersi Mr Chairman.

Bonzour Mr Chairman.


Mr Chairman mon premye kestyon an se ki konsern program 2 labor protection dan [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Bidze Minister Lanplwa.

Annefe sa, sa program in ganny li 8milyon 222, 228milyon R8milyon 228mil.

Anvi bann diferan issues ki’n leve dan Lasanble Onorab Arissol in koz lo bann issues, dan landrwa travay bokou Manm in koz lo issues dan landrwa travay i en keksoz ki sorti bokou parmi bann Manm piblik, en.
Prezan mon pe gete mon war en logmantasyon dan wages and salaries, eski sa logmantasyon i zis logmantasyon pou sa 10poursan ki, ki Gouvernman pe donnen?

Or eski zot annan plan pou rod plis labor inspectors pou kapab deal avek sa magnitude of problem ki deor sirtou dan landrwa touristik bann landrwa konstriksyon lagrikiltir.

Kot i annan bann issues ki dimoun pe leve bann problenm travay?
E eski zot pe osi mazin met nouvo larzan pou revwar en pti pe Scheme sa bann manrmay ouswa revwar package sa bann travayer ki dan sa seksyon?

Akoz ou’n dir Minis ou menm ki zot fer over 400 labor inspection e posibleman si nou pou entansifye pou fer plis, so eski ou pe revwar zot remuneration package or eski ou pe azout plis staff avek zot, pou zot kapab tackle sa bann issues dan landrwa travay.
Mon dezyenm kestyon i enn ki konsern – (les mwan zis met mon zafer en pti kou on) - enn ki konsern Labor Force survey.

Now due to 2022 labor force survey result ki ti sorti i montre ki i annan en gran disparite dan saler sekter Gouvernman e parastatal an konparezon avek sekter prive?

La mon pou donn ou 2 figures Minis average earnings saler dan sekter prive i 13mil625 e average earnings dan sekter Gouvernman i 18mil044.
So i annan en disparite apepre R4mil419 to be exact ant lapey Gouvernman avek lapey sekter prive.

E sa mon ti fer sorti dan mon ladres Bidze avek Minis is this not enough proof - nou pe koz statistik ki ozordi travayer sekter prive i merit en serten logmantasyon pou tir sa disparite ant zot avek sekter parastatal ek piblik.

E ki pli bon fason se pou revwar minimum wage regulations.

Eski zot pe anvizaze met devan Gouvernman konman sa Minister ki fer Polisi lo wages.
Eski zot anvizaze met sa devan Gouvernman, pou zisteman ferm sa gap ant sekter prive ek sekter Gouvernman.

E dan menm laliny mon trwazyenm kestyon Mr Speaker baze lo sa statistik ki devan nou la, eski zot konman Minister ki deal avek wages, ki deal [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 avek Polisi Lanplwa, zot pare pou met devan Gouvernman ki tou travayer Seselwa i ganny zot 13enm mwan saler plen?
E ki osi sa increase 10poursan i ganny fer effective depi Zanvye non pa Avril parey in ganny anonse pou ki nou kapab tir sa bann disparite, e fer sir ki travayer Seselwa i kapab benefisye an 2023.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab i ensiste retourn lo pwen 13enm mwan saler e kestyon in ganny demande plizyer fwa, in ganny reponn plizyer fwa.

Minis kestyon in ganny demande, mon pou zis demann nou pa pas bokou letan lo la si zot annan en keksoz pou azoute me selman annou fini ek sa size.
Mersi Minis pou konmanse.

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chair.

Pou fer li vreman kourt, mon napa nanryen pou azoute lo la?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

PS ou annan lezot kestyon - lezot pwen dan sa kestyon.

PS JULES BAKER Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

Onorab mon pou repet ankor parey ou konnen ou’n travay dan Departman Lanplwa, diferan pozisyon ou konn byen bann defi ki Departman Lanplwa i fer.
Ki pa neseserman i annan zis pou fer ek mankman staff, me i annan pou fer avek the general lendistri lekonomi li menm.

Pou reponn ou kestyon an term Bidze, wi sa bann logmantasyon i annan pou fer avek logmantasyon 10poursan pou travayer aparti Avril.

E osi i annan pou fer avek mandatwar 50poursan 13enm mwan e osi bonus pou ganny peye.

Sa akoz sa logmantasyon dan sa i pa i napa okenn rekonmandasyon dan sa ki konsern extra staff dan sa pou sa departman an se moman.
Akoz an 2019 nou ti ganny nou 19 pos avek Minister Finans ki ti ganny aprouve, pou nou tackle nou bann problenm ki annan.

Onorab sa issue challenge ki annan lo labor market ozordi an term bann anplwayer ek travayer, i reste en defi parey nou’n mete dan nou, dan nou strategic Polisi e i bann defi ki nou pou adrese dan nou strategic plan ant 2023-2027 baze lo Bidze ki’n ganny allocate avek nou.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Scheme of Service pou bann travayer, sa i en size mon krwar ki dan Lasanble in ganny debat lo la Minister Finans in regarding Scheme of Service.

E mon krwar Gouvernman pe reget total saler dan Gouvernman an zeneral, e mon pa pou krwar i en moman la ki mon pou koz Scheme of Service la apropriye pou Employment Department.

A en moman mon mazinen ki Minister Finans i ava kominik lo la.
Sa ki pli enportan pou nou se ki nou rod pli bon fason pou nou kapab travay.

Fodre dir Onorab se ki nou travayer lenspeksyon i travay en kantite.

E i travay dir menm apre ler travay.

I annan de fwa kot nou ale ziska 12minwi, 1er bomaten pou al rezourd problenm lanplwa dan pei.

E sa bokou fwa parey ou konnen Employment Department i anploy bokou madanm.

E nou ekspoz nou madanm dan sa bann ler koumsa pou al kapab ed bann sityasyon.
Tou resaman nou’n annan en sityasyon vreman difisil kot nou’n bezwen deplway nou bann madanm Imigrasyon, nou bann madanm Sosyal pou al rezourd problenm.

Zis pou azout en pe lo case Onorab Arissol ki nou pa ti ganny sans reponn, i annan en travay ki nou pe fer lo sa sityasyon GOP pou travayer Seselwa avek travayer etranze dan Sesel.

Me sa i bann lenformasyon ki nou pa kapab devwale pou le moman, me a en moman donnen nou kapab brief Lasanble lo sikse sa.
Lo kote HR wi nou annan en HR forum an egzistans, me i vre ki nou pa’n reisir meet pandan sa dernyen lannen, akoz pou plizyer rezon challenge ki nou pe fer fas avek e lannen prosen i dan Bidze.

Nou annan en provizyon dan Bidze ki premye kar lannen prosen, i annan en demann ki bann HR pe demann nou pou nou rezourd sa problenm referrals.

Nou konnen nou i annan en problenm referrals – wi.


Nou kapab dir ou wi nou annan referrals pou 5 fwa par personn ki nou refer kot landrwa travay, ki pa neseserman nou ganny feedback ek bann anplwayer.

Sa bann sansibilizasyon ki nou pe met lanfaz lo la avanler ki nou issue okenn GOP.

Lo kote Labor Market Force survey Onorab earnings dan nivo nasyonal pa al ganny kontrole par Departman Lanplwa.

I ganny bann lenspeksyon ki pe al ganny fer par NBS.
E i vre ki i montre ki dan sekter Gouvernman i plis ki sekter prive.

Ou’n koz lo minimum wage, salary structure e sa i en konversasyon ki kapab ganny met devan.

Me pou le moman napa okenn lentansyon pou ki i annan okenn revizyon dan minimum wage a sa moman donnen.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Me sa ki kler ki nou, nou pe fer se ki esey nou mye atraver nou lokalizasyon atraver nou progranm mentorship, ki nou annan avek nou bann Shannon graduate, e menm atraver bann GOP ki nou gannyen bokou fwa bann anplwayer zot pa oule menm, zot pa oule onor zot lobligasyon.

E nou refize donn zot GOP, toultan zot pa reviz saler bann Seselwa ki pe understudy zot e sa i mars tre byen parey Minister in dir.
Kot nou met nou lipye ater, nou dir ‘‘sa i pa enplimante nou pa pou donn ou.’’ So basically i annan sa konprenezon k nou pe fer, e en legzersis pou reviz saler dan pei, sa i ava ganny fer a en moman donnen lannen prosen.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab tou ou kestyon in ganny reponn mon pa pe pran siplemanter.

Mon a pran kestyon Onorab Aglae.

Onorab Aglae ou annan kestyon?

Onorab mon’n ekout ou kestyon - mon’n ekout repons ou’n ganny tou repons ki annan.

Onorab Aglae ou kestyon.


HON EGBERT AGLAE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Minis ek le 2 PS e lezot Manm ou panel e tou Manm ki a lekout.

Mr Speaker mon swete ki Minis i reponn mwan dan en fason ase kalm, pa bezwen agresiv.

Minis premye kestyon mon ti a kontan petet demann ou kot i konsern Social Affair kot i konsern travayer Sosyal.
E mon war dan Bidze i annan Bidze pou training, mon ti a kontan petet demann ou kot i konsern welfare bann travayer Sosyal, angiz ki ozordi la kalite travay kalite defi kalite challenges ki bann travayer Sosyal i fer fas avek, i double ouswa triple.

Eski dan sa laliny Minis, ou pe mazin osi war bann incentive ki atase ki donn bann travayer Sosyal, akoz mon santi poudir travayer Sosyal osi pe ganny gete parey ozordi nou pe get ners, nou pe get dokter nou pe get bann zofisye teachers, Ledikasyon.
Baze lo travay ki zot annan pou fer i bokou, eski zot pe mazin war bann incentive ki bann travayer i gannyen?

Sa i enn.

Dezyenmman, osi i annan sa training ki ti pe konmanse, mon pa konnen si i egziste en progranm kot bann ki anvi pran en karyer dan travayer Sosyal avek Unisey, ti annan en progranm.

Eski i annan sa course, ki ti pe egziste ki ti pe ganny ofer pou bann ki anvi al en karyer dan Sosyal?

Dezyenm kot i konsern, trwazyenm kot Lanplwa Minis ou’n nonmen ki ou annan bann defi kote recruitment.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 E mon santi mwan en pti pe konsernen, akoz dan Mid-year Review supplementary Departman Lanplwa ek Sosyal ti annan en kopo R2.5milyon baze lo pa’n kapab fer recruitment.

So deside la konman en Minister ki ou osi angaze, pou annan bann recruitment partou, ki travay ekstra ki petet ou pe fer pou ou kapab at least lannen prosen, nou pa war koupir dan recruitment ki ou kapab ganny sa bann staff ki ou dir ou manke.
Ki ou kapab anploye, pou zot kapab fer travay pou ed bann lezot departman prive konman Gouvernman, pou osi kapab ganny travayer recruit ki zot merite?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Minis bann premye kestyon i pou Sosyal apre enn pou Employment.

Mon a pas kot PS wi.

PS.

PS LINDA WILLIAM MELANIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou kestyon.

E mersi pou rekonnet valer travayer Sosyal ek sa kantite defi ki zot fer fas avek, parey egalman ki lezot Onorab i santi.
Kot i konsern nou bann travayer otan ki posib nou fer sa ki nou kapab parey ou dir get dan zot welfare.

Me parkont nou konnen i annan bokou lekspektasyon lo incentive package ki konsern avek saler.

E parey zot konnen Lasanble i konnen nouvo stratezi PSB, se ki zot osi a lavenir pou get en pti pe bann Scheme of Service ki annan.
E byensir letan sa legzersis i arive pou nou departman nou ava war egzakteman ki mannyer e ki Minister Finans i kapab anmennen, pou nou kapab revwar package Scheme of Service Social Worker.

Me selman parkont an term bann sipor - sipor ki nou bann social worker i gannyen mon kapab dir avek Lasanble poudir, nou annan ase lankadreman ki nou kapab donn social worker nou bann sipor kot nou kapab mentor zot.
E kot ou pe koz lo formasyon nou fer bann formasyon in- house apre osi i annan formasyon ki nou pe fer avek NIHSS sa continuous professional development e osi bann nouvo course pou nou met nou bann social worker, ki annan Diploma pou zot kapab al Unisey pou zot kapab fer zot Degre, oubyen bann Masters.

So sa bann progranm in-house dan nou Bidze, i annan me kot i konsern training, ki i tonm anba Minister Ledikasyon vizavi avek Lasante pou NIHSS.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Sa course i ankor ongoing pou bann zenn ki anvi fer sa profesyon.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Dernyen pwen Minis, wi.

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Ou’n koz ek mon vreman dous, vreman kalm, so mon pou reponn ou vreman kalm.
So, pou recruitment pou lanplwa, ou’n byen dir Onorab mon krwar ou avek mon nou’n have discussions dan plizyer rankont ki nou’n zwenn about bann difikilte, e ki nou annan pou recruitment e travayer.

E nou advertise parey tou Minister i fer - zot advertise e nou depan lo response ki dimoun pou fer letan pou apply.

Me selman realize ki bann louvraz ki demande kot Departman Lanplwa i quite technical.

E competencies osi i zwe en gran rol in the sense of quality sa dimoun pou gannyen.
Mon pa tro believe ki nou zis recruit for the sake of recruiting.

You have to have the right people that you recruit and make well.

Nou pe al dan productivity, nou pe al dan performance otherwise nou pou annan zis dead weight parey nou dir.

Sa i enn.

Where the people apply kekfwa ler zot war sa job description oubyen duties they don’t.

So si zot apply e nou war i annan potansyel, of course we will give training.
Annan de fwa osi nou war mouvman dan bann Minister ki ou’n recruit apre i sorti i al dan en lot.

Ou konnen for many reasons - nou napa control lo la.

I annan i konmanse parey mon dir apre i pa fini.

So tousala i bann kontrent e mazinen osi again it’s the same group of people ki nou pe travay avek.

So again i montre sa shortage of skills, competencies ki nou bezwen we still have a shortage.

Me selman vre se ki tou bann pos ki nou demande, nou kapab ranpli pou fer en gran diferans.

Mersi Onorab.
Mersi Onorab.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab reste lo klarifikasyon silvouple, annou al vitman.

HON EGBERT AGLAE Yes Minis.

Mon a demann ou mersi pou ou larepons.

E mon a demann lo sa Minis, mon konnen poudir i annan en kantite travay ou bann staff tou le 2 departman in fer dan lepase sirtou dan letan [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Covid e mwan, mon plede ki donn zot, zot full 13enm mwan saler.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Minis in tann sa rekonmandasyon.


Onorab Adelaide ou kestyon.

HON FRANCOIS ADELAIDE Mersi Mr Chair.

Bon bonzour Minis avek ou delegasyon.

Dabor Minis mon zwenn avek mon koleg Onorab Arissol, pou felisit ou avek ou departman pou sa bon travay ki ou pe fer.

Sa ki pa war ou pe fer travay i pa war, i pa war kler ouswa mon pa konnen.

Be selman mwan, mon trouve ki ou pe fer e nou felisit ou pou sa.

Dezyenmman, mon oule felisit Madanm William mersi pou sa bann kolaborasyon ki nou annan dan distrik.
Ou’n vreman ed mwan e esperon ki lot lannen nou a kontinyen dan sa lo sa laliny.

De pti kestyon Minis, ‘equal work equal pay’, eski i ankor lo zot azanda petet pou nou kapab promote?

Dezyenm mon oule en leklersisman korek in regards to sa minimum wage.

Mon santi ki Seselwa par ler - bann Seselwa sirtou ki bann sirtou ki lo minimum wage, i ganny en pti gin, afekte akoz ler ou anploy en etranze, ou donn li petet ou pey son lasante, manze, landrwa reste, airline ticket, transpor.
E li sa Seselwa li ki lo minimum wage, i pa pe gannyen tousala li be selman li osi i pe travay pou preski menm saler.

Eski petet ou kapab eksplik sa Lasanble, eski i obligatwar pou ler ou pey travayer etranze minimum wage, ki ou exceed ou donn li tou sa bann soz i form parti dan son minimum wage, tou an prezervan dinyite sa travayer?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

PS Baker?

PS JULES BAKER Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.


Vitman wi ‘equal pay for all equal value’ i reste lo azanda Departman Lanplwa, Minister an zeneral.

E osi ki Sesel i en Manm konvansyon ILO, ki gouvern diskriminasyon dan travay e lokipasyon.

E sa i en size ki ankor i dan nou strategic plan, ki nou pou ki dan Bidze osi pou nou fer sir ki the maximum ki en travayer ki annan menm kalifikasyon, menm leksperyans, menm expertise ki i kapab ganny menm saler avek sa travayer etranze.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Ouswa avek sa menm travayer Seselwa, ki menm nivo avek li.

Ouswa son gender osi i zwe en gran rol.

Parfwa nou zonm avek madanm i annan sa diferans ki nou pou kontinyelman, pursue pou nou elimin posibilite diskriminasyon.

E sa i en size ki pe ki pou tonm osi anba revizyon Lalwa Lanplwa lannen prosen, ki ou pou war en diferans ladan Onorab.
Lo kote minimum wage wi minimum wage, i aplikab pou tou travayer dan Sesel, enkli travayer etranze travayer Seselwa.

Wi i annan depans ki anplwayer i fer plis pou travayer etranze, akoz ou bezwen donn li lozman, akomodasyon, donn li lozman, elektrisite, delo e tou sa.

E me se ki pli enportan se ki minimum wage is paid for number of hours worked per day or per week.

Ki i pa devret enkli lezot benefis an adisyon.


Wi sa i bann size ki’n ganny leve e anba nou National Migration Labor Policy, i annan en stratezi ki nou pou bezwen rod en fason ki mannyer nou pou deal avek sa sityasyon.

E nou ava enform Lasanble by next.

Next year dan nou proze stratezi ki mannyer nou pou rezourd sa issue.

Thank you Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Thank you PS.

Konmsi mon’n sot Onorab Gill ankor enn fwa Onorab pa bokou selman en.

Onorab ou kestyon.

HON CHURCHILL GILL Mersi Mr Chair.


Non, mon napa bokou, mon annan zis 2.

Bonzour Minis ek ou delegasyon.

Mon premye kestyon, Minis parey nou konnen dan ou manda 1 fwa par semen ou war dimoun piblik i ganny loportinite pou war ou.

E an menm tan dan ou Bidze i annan domestic airfares ki mon konnen ler ou vin ou bann vizit ou servi.

E mon pe demande lo behalf bann dimoun Praslin ek La Digue, ki zot ganny sa posibilite pou, pou zot osi kapab ganny sans war ou me selman pa menm frequency.
Ou a deside lo ou schedule si en keksoz i kapab ganny fer 1 fwa par mwan oubyen 2, 1 fwa tou le 2 mwan.

Me selman mon pe demande ki dimoun Praslin, La Digue a ganny akord menm keksoz.

Rezon pou sa se si zot, zot pou rod apwentman pou vin war ou isi Mahe, zot, zot pou bezwen pey bato ale retour pey transport ler zot in ariv isi pou ariv kot ou lofis, apre ler in fini war ou menm, menm prosedir.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Whereas si mete zot ganny sa loportinite dan sa sityasyon kot nou ete, i ava ed zot pou zot koup sa depans.

Mon dezyenm kestyon, ler nou ti pe pas Lalwa 13enm mwan lapey, ti annan en bout osi ladan ki ti dir, si en landrwa travay napa sa sistenm appraisal then otomatikman i bezwen peye.
Mon kestyon se lekel ki pou monitor sa, ki ler i pou annan sityasyon ki en landrwa travay pa fer sa, then sa bann dimoun ki ganny ekspoze ek sa ki dan zot dezavantaz ki mannyer sa pou ganny adrese?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Minis, wi?

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Onorab mon bezwen felisit ou pou ou distrik osi.

Letan mon get mon lalis nou’n fer survey ti annan 113 dimoun ki ti pe look pou louvraz la konmela nou annan zis 33.
So this is great for Praslin pou tou le de Onorab osi Woodcock.

I montre poudir zot pe fer en gran zefor to push people into jobs.

Felisitasyon.

So wi, mon kapab konsidere sa ki ou pe dir mon krwar i mon believe dan inclusivity;- mon believe in inclusion why not?

I think it’s a very good idea.

Petet mon a monte mon ava al fer sa survey osi laba.

Selman mon gannyen dimoun ki vin Mahe osi pou war mwan but I can consider in mon bann vizit ki mon fer ler mon fer sirtou Praslin e La Digue.
E petet fer li en pti pe pli souvan, but that’s very good, thank you.

Si pou sa bout ki ou’n dir si they don’t have the system in place and they have to pay.

If they don’t pay then they have to lodge a grievance kot Departman Lanplwa.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Bonzour Minis ek ou delegasyon.

E bonzour tou dimoun ki a lekout.

Bonzour tou koleg Onorab.


Mr Chairman avan mon demann mon kestyon mon le prefas mon kestyon avek 2 pwen ki mon ti a kontan klarifikasyon lo la.

Nou pe diskit Bidze Minister Lanplwa, korek?

La e Minister Lanplwa ki ansarz tou Polisi Lanplwa dan nou pei e li ki fer sir ki bann Polisi Lanplwa i ganny enplimante.
2 Polisi ki Gouvernman [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 in anonse mezir;- enn, se 10poursan logmantasyon saler e lot Polisi ki Gouvernman in anonse se an relasyon avek 13enm mwan saler.

13enm mwan saler, se zot menm antite ki ansarz sa Lalwa.

So premye kestyon ki mon annan pou demann zot an relasyon avek 13enm mwan saler se, konbyen landrwa travay ki zot, zot in lyez avek ziska la?
Oubyen konbyen landrwa travay ki bann landrwa travay sirtou dan sekter prive, pou war ki zistans zot ete avek preparasyon peyman pou 13enm mwan saler pou zot travayer?

Eski zot in fer sa travay oubyen, eski zot pa ankor fer sa travay?

Mon dezyenm kestyon, prezan an sa ki konsern sa 10poursan logmantasyon, i ankor enn fwa zot rol e zot manda, pou akte lo behalf travayer Seselwa enkli bann ki dan Gouvernman enkli bann ki dan sekter prive.
So ankor enn fwa mon ti a kontan demann ou an relasyon avek en Bidze R44.7milyon ki nou pe donn zot, konbyen landrwa travay dan sekter prive ki zot in lyez avek?

Oubyen ki kantite travay ki zot in fer ziska la avek sekter prive oubyen avek bann Linyon Travayer, pou determinen si bann travayer ki dan sekter prive zot landrwa travay pou kapab afford pou pey zot sa 10poursan logmantasyon?
E mon dernyen kestyon - ou’n dir 3 pwen Mr Chairman, mon trwazyenm kestyon konbyen appraisal ki zot, zot in fer dan Departman Lanplwa, an relasyon avek performance appraisal pou donn bann travayer zot 13enm mwan saler?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis, PS lekel ki pran laparol?

Minis?

Yes PS.

PS JULES BAKER Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.


3 pwen lo kote 13enm mwan saler, mon pou restrikte mon repons lo 13enm mwan saler, akoz Departman Lanplwa pa responsab pou logmantasyon 10poursan lo saler dan sekter piblik.

So lo kote 13enm mwan saler, ou ava konstate Onorab ki nou’n fer plizyer diskisyon avek bann anplwayer, bann HR Managers, MOP plen, plen, plen tou bann HR, anplwayer ti ganny envite pou vin attend.
Menm nou’n ti’n fer propozisyon - nou ti’n met piblikasyon lo televizyon lo radyo, pou envit bann ki lo difikilte pou vin training, kot TGMI ansanm avek SEnPA e pou zot apros nou - sorry avek [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 ESA, pou zot apros nou pou nou konnen ki pli meyer fason pou nou kapab ed zot.
E nou kapab dir, ki pou le moman sa ki nou kapab konstate napa bokou anplwayer dan sekter prive ki’n eksprimen, ki zot pou annan difikilte pou zot onor zot lobligasyon legal anba sa Lalwa ki’n ganny pase par Lasanble.

E nou toultan reste ouver ankor enn fwa ziska le 31 Desanm, pou tou bann ki santi ki zot bezwen lasistans ptipti ouswa gro, pou lesplikasyon.

Nou ankor nou laport i ankor ouver pou don plis sansibilizasyon lo lenplikasyon sa Lalwa Trezyenm Mwan Saler.
E sa i aplikab osi pou kestyon 2, an sa ki konsern lakonpannyen sekter prive ki pare pou peye ouswa ki pe ganny difikilte menm lapros nou pe pran pou ki bann ki annan difikilte nou kapab asiste zot o firanmezir, ki akoz nou annan ziska le 31 Zanvye 2023 pou zot kapab fer zot bann appraisal.
Lo 3 pwen vitman, mon kapab garanti ou Onorab, ki tou bann dimoun dan Minister, dan Departman Lanplwa depi mwan menm mon konman PS, ziska sa dimoun bann dimoun en pe pli ba dan échelon zot in fini zot plan, zot in fini fer zot target, zot in fini set zot bann obzektif.

Mwan personnelman ki responsab anba sa prose apre osi bann appraisal ki’n ganny fer tou dimoun in ganny fer - unless ki en dimoun ki pa ti dan konze ouswa i overseas, me mon garanti ou ki tou bann appraisal ki’n fini ganny fer.
E nou pou espekte prezan ki letan milye Desanm i ava arive, nou ava aprezan evalyasyon zot bann appraisal pou nou konnen ki mannyer ki poursantaz bonus, pou ganny - ki poursantaz performance- based pou ganny allocate avek sak staff endividyel.

Mon pa responsab pou mon fer appraisal, me i annan en fason fer.

PS pou fer Direkter Zeneral, Direkter Zeneral i fer pou Direkter, Direkter i fer pou senior Employment Officer, Senior Employment Officer i fer pou ziska dernyen, dernyen propozisyon.
So apre tousala i vin lo nou nivo e nou kapab fer.

So nou kapab konfirmen avek ou de Departman Lanplwa i azour avek sa legzersis.

Mersi Onorab.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab klarifikasyon silvouple.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Definitivman nou pou reste lo klarifikasyon Mr Speaker, nou pa pou al okenn par.

Premyerman mon ti a kontan klarifye an sa ki [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 konsern travayer e bann anplwayer ki dan sekter prive.
Ou’n mansyonn avek mon poudir nou annan diskisyon ki zot in fer e ziska la enn bann anplwayer pa pe eksprim okenn konsern pou pey zot travayer 13enm mwan.

Kestyon ki mon annan pou ou, se ou lobligasyon anba Lalwa ki zot pey 50poursan apre zot performance appraised sa lot 50poursan.

Eski ou travayer anba, anba ki deal avek labor force, eski zot in kapab etablir si bann diferan landrwa travay i annan sa performance appraisal system ki pe ganny servi?
E eski sa bann performance appraisal system ki pe ganny servi, i pa bann performance appraisal system ki defavoriz bann travayer dan serten sirkonstans?

Prezan mon dezyenm klarifikasyon lo sa ki ou’n dir mon regarding performance appraisal dan Minister Lanplwa;- mon apresye ki zot in fer sa bann appraisal.

So mon krwar bann staff pe tande si i annan okenn ki pa’n ganny sans fer, i ava vin devan i ava vin dir nou e nou ava, nou ava koz lo zot account ki zot pe dir nou la.
Me selman mon kestyon prezan pou Minister Lanplwa, lefe ki zot ki deal ek bann Kontra Lanplwa e zot konn tre byen bann Lalwa Lanplwa, eski dapre zot i normal pou en travayer apre ki ou’n set en kondisyon travay depi konmansman lannen avek li, pou appraise li lo en lot kondisyon lafen lannen e met sa kondisyon konman en kalifikasyon, pou li kapab ganny en benefis ki ti’n kapab appraise anba Lalwa pou li?

Sa mon ti a kontan ou klarifye pou mon.


Prezan mon dernyen pwen Mr Chairman, mon ti annan 3 pwen so 3 klarifikasyon, tre senp;- ou’n dir mwan poudir Departman Lanplwa napa nanryen pou fer ek 10poursan.

Me ou, ou Departman Lanplwa dan pei, ou Departman Lanplwa ki sipoze get dan lentere tou travayer.
Petet mon ti ava envit ou pou reviz ou larepons e dir avek mwan si ou konman Departman Lanplwa, ou pe antanm serten diskisyon avek sekter prive vizavi posibilite donn serten logmantasyon travayer ki dan sekter prive?

Mon ti ava envit ou pou konsider sa mod larepons ki nou kapab travay ansanm pou nou ariv a en solisyon.

Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

PS pa bezwen reponn reviz son larepons lo dernyen sa in ganny reponn kler.

PS si ou kapab adres son 2 premye pwen.


[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 PS JULES BAKER Mr Chair zis pou mon remersi Onorab pou son pwen klarifikasyon, premye.

Mon le fer resorti ki Minister Lanplwa pa antre dan sa prosesis pou micro manage sekter prive an term zot Polisi lo Appraisal.

Mon pa krwar e Gouvernman pa krwar lentervansyon direk dan ki mannyer sekter prive pou fer zot bann appraisal.
E se pou sa rezon akoz ki nou ti met a dispozisyon sa bann pti lorganizasyon dan sekter prive menm bann ki gran ki annan difikilte ki zot a kapab ganny en format, lo ki bann mezir performans zot devret adopte dan zot lorganizasyon.

E nou pa la ankor pou nou al micro manage pou nou al gete si ou’n fer si ou pa’n fer, konmsi ou a krwar teacher ek manrmay lekol pou gete si in fer homework.

Non, non nou pa kapab bouz dan sa direksyon.


Lalwa i la nou bezwen ankouraz bann dimoun, pou zot obzerv Lalwa e si zot pa obzerv Lalwa i annan - parey Onorab Gill in demande - i annan en formalite i met son grievance an plas i dir ‘mon pa’n ganny peye pou tel, tel rezon’.

Mon krwar fodre pa ki Gouvernman i reste angaze dan al dir avek sekter prive ki pou fer dan son fonksyonman loperasyon ek son saler.
Lo kote sa issue kot performans - zis pou mwan koriz en pti keksoz Onorab - wi mon’n dir ki sa prosesis performans in fini ganny fer par Departman Lanplwa, me son appraisal pou sa bann staff i pou ganny fer le 9 Desanm ki’n ganny set par - starting le 9 Desanm ki’n ganny fer par PSB.

Sa son bann alokasyon ki nou pou dir avek staff konbyen i pou gannyen.

Lo kote - ok mon ava aret la Mr Speaker, mon krwar mon’n reponn son 2 klarifikasyon.
Me selman ankor lo kote 10poursan mon pa konnen si SS Payet i le koz lo la.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Bon nou’n terminen avek kestyon.

Onorab ou’n demann ou kestyon ou’n demann ou klarifikasyon, ou’n ganny repons ki ou point of order prezan?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mon bezwen koriz en mis-apreansyon ki mon’n fer anba Standing Order petet.
Gouvernman in vini in fer en prononsman lo en logmantasyon 10poursan, me prezan dan [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Lasanble nou pe ganny ban pou nou nonm 10poursan.

So si konmsi eksplik mwan kote nou pou diskit 10poursan, pou ki Seselwa i kapab tande si pa dan Lasanble ?

Onorab Cosgrow i demann en kestyon taler ou deside Minis i fini reponn son kestyon, ou pa pou donn li kestyon siplemanter.

Konmsi mon bezwen - nou bezwen ganny en konpran.


Be mwan, mon pe fer li kler ek ou Mr Speaker nou pou kontinyen demande lo sa 10poursan!

Nou pa pou arete demande lo sa 10poursan!

Mersi.

(Interruption) MR SPEAKER En moman silvouple.

Mon a reponn ou kestyon Onorab.

Napa nanryen ki’n ganny ban dan Lasanble, me selman i annan size parey 10poursan e avek osi 13enm mwan saler ki’n ganny demande, ki’n ganny eksplike.

Minis Finans in vini in eksplik lonterm.


Zot in demann kestyon plizyer Minis, zot in demann avek lo PSB tousala in gannyen.

I annan en lareg dan Standing Orders Lasanble ki dir ou evit repetisyon.

E se sa ki pe pase.

Prezan si ou pou konmans ou dir mon ou pou kontinyen demande, be ale kontinyen demande.

(APPLAUSE) (laughter) MR SPEAKER Mersi, nou a pran Bidze.

Nou a pran … (Off-Mic) MR SPEAKER Pardon?

(Off-Mic) MR SPEAKER Onorab, Onorab respekte mwan silvouple!
(Off-Mic) [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 MR SPEAKER Onorab mersi pou reste trankil.

Nou a pran vot lo Bidze pou Ministry of Employment and Social Affairs pou en total R90milyon 710mil.

Manm ki an faver lev lanmen silvouple?

Mersi.

Manm ki kont?

Byen.

Lo Bidze pou Ministry of Employment and Social Affairs 21 Manm in vot pour, 0 kont e 10 in abstain.

Bidze in aprouve par Lasanble.


Mon remersye Minis e son bann zofisye ki’n avek nou pou partisipasyon dan sa bout Committee Stage e mon swet zot bon depar.

Mersi.

Nou pou pran poz e nou pou pas lo prosen antite ki lo schedule.

(BREAK) AGENCY FOR SOCIAL PROTECTION INCLUDING BENEFITS AND APPROVED PROGRAMS OF ASP MR SPEAKER Donk byenveni nouvo delegasyon dan Lasanble.

Nou annan Ms Brenda Morin CEO Agency for Social Protection.

Ms Chiara Cultreri Financial Controller.


Ms Marie-France Souris Principal Benefit Welfare Officer.

Nou la pou Bidze lo Agency for Social Protection ki enkli Benefits and Approved Programs of ASP.

E tousala i lo paz 511 ziska 516.

Mon annan 2 laliny Bidze.

Bidze pou Agency for Social Protection i pou R27milyon 487mil.

Tandis ki Approved Programs i pou R1bilyon 202milyon 876mil.
Mon krwar avek sa i neseser ki nou pran 2 vot laliny separe, me selman pou diskisyon travay Committee Stage, mon krwar nou a prosede parey ou’n fer bomaten e nou a pran le 2 laliny ansanm kekfwa i a sov nou en pe letan.

Minis ou lentrodiksyon silvouple.

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal pou ozordi prezant 2 Bidze pou lannen 2023-2025.

Sa i Bidze Benefis e Bidze Recurrent.


Mr Chairman parey Lasanble i konnen anba Bidze Benefis tou bann benefis ki tonm anba Lalwa Sekirite Sosyal i ganny peye.

Osi i pran kont lasistans welfare.

Parkont Bidze Recurrent i pran ka avek tou bann depans administratif.

Bidze pou bann [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Benefis i anviron R1.2bilyon, sa i en rediksyon en pti pe plis ki R241milyon lo Bidze 2022.
Sa i akoz parey zot deza okouran, anba reform Labank Mondyal e byensir sa Bill pou vin devan Lasanble Nasyonal pou laprouvasyon apartir 2023, pou annan en nouvo Lazans swen kot lakour - Home Care Agency.

Alor depans pou sa servis, pou nepli anba Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal.

Gouvernman in resaman ogmant bann pwa e mezir pou lasistans welfare, e dan sa Bidze ki pe ganny prezante zot pou remarke en logmantasyon dan alokasyon Bidze pou welfare.

Sa i sorti anviron R40milyon pou al anviron R60milyon.
Gouvernman i rekonnet e pe prevwar ki avek lenflasyon e bann fakter eksteryer, ki pou annan plis fanmir, pou nesesit lasistans welfare.

Lasistans tanporer ki Gouvernman ti met an plas boner an Zilyet 2022 pou kontinyen anba Bidze ASP apartir Avril 2023.

Parey ti pe deza ganny fer, lasistans tanporer pou kontinyen anba benefis retret, benefis envalidite e benefis dezabilite.

Tandis ki pou Bidze Recurrent pou lannen 2023, sa Bidze i anviron R277.48milyon e sa i plizoumwen ekivalan ek Bidze 2022.
Lazans i osi antisipe devlop en nouvo progranm ki pou permet bann laplikasyon ki ganny soumet pou ganny travay lo la dan en dele letan pli kourt posib.

Osi i pou permet en koneksyon direk avek bann diferan Departman ek Minister, ki pou fasilit prosedir bann laplikasyon.

Sa pou osi anmenn modernizasyon dan loperasyon Lazans e redwir dan en fason konsiderableman bann prosedir manual.

Lazans i espekte ki en tel modernizasyon i ed amelyor son servis.
Dan sa Bidze i osi enkorpor en progranm sansibilizasyon, konsernan servis Lazans.

Sa pe ganny fer avek bi ankouraz popilasyon pou akse bann diferan led e servis dan zot dispozisyon.

Ankor enn fwa Mr Speaker, mon profite pou remersye tou mon staff kot ASP.

Zot travay vreman for kanmenm i annan bann difikilte parler.

So mersi.

Mr Chairman avek ou permisyon mon ti a kontan nou konmans diskisyon Bidze avek Bidze Recurrent.

Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.


Nou a pran kestyon bann Manm e mon annan serten non lo lalis.

Premye Onorab Samynadin.

HON KELLY SAMYNADIN [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour Minis ankor avek ou nouvo delegasyon ASP.

HON WALLACE COSGROW (Off-Mic) MR SPEAKER Eskiz mwan.

Onorab ou ti pe fer en pwen lo prosedir Onorab Cosgrow.

Minis eski ou’n entrodwir tou le de Bidze?


MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Wi selman mon ti’n demande Mr Chair si mon ti kapab pran Recurrent avan please.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Ok si i pou fasilit larepons e pou fer … MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Non SS i dir mwan i ok. MR SPEAKER Sorry?

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT SS i dir mwan tou le de.

MR SPEAKER SS nou a fer koumsa?

Ok tou le de ansanm?

Annou swiv direksyon SS, li i abitye avek sa bann prosedir.
E Minis mwan, mon prefere koumsa, akoz toultan kanmenm nou fer sa 2 separe nou al lo enn apre nou tourn lo lot, e i vin menm zafer prensipalman.

Onorab Pillay, kestyon oubyen kwa?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Zis lo sa pwen mon dakor ek sa nou fer, nou fer tou le de.

Me selman mon bezwen ganny en gidans.

Par egzanp lo, lo size son Approved Programs, ou pou annan probableman kestyon ki pou al dan diferan eleman progranm.

So petet ou pou bezwen zize 3 pwen - 4 pwen ki en Manm pe fer.
Manm pou bezwen sey fer zot kestyon as succinct as possible.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 E zis pou klarifye Mr Chairman, up to keler ki nou pe anvizaze pou nou pran sa Bidze pou mwan annan en lide?

MR SPEAKER Wi bon kestyon mon krwar Bills Committee i annan meeting 12midi edmi.

Mon pou gete ler nou’n ariv mon annan 8 Manm ki lo lalis la pou le moman, mon pou gete ler nou pou ariv 12midi edmi kote nou ete.

Mon konnen zot meeting i avek SS Payet.


Si i reste nou 1 Manm oubyen 2 Manm nou a pran.

Si i reste nou plis ki nou pou al pli lontan, nou ava adjourn e nou ava soz e nou ava pran nou a repran 1er.

Ok?

Ok, i kler?

Thank you.

Nou a regarde ki mannyer nou ete 12midi edmi.

Nou a konmans avek Onorab Samynadin ou kestyon.

HON KELLY SAMYNADIN Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonzour Minis avek ou, avek ou nouvo delegasyon ASP.
Minis mon premye kestyon i baze lo zot priyorite stratezik, kot zot in dir ki zot pou antreprann bann outreach programs, pou sansibiliz piblik e pou promot bann statutory benefits ek Schemes ki’n ganny aprouve?

Mon ti a kontan ganny en leksplikasyon lo ki mannyer sa pou ganny fer lo nivo distrik?

E osi mon ti a kontan ganny konnen ki kantite letan bann prosedir laplikasyon i ganny pran, akoz i paret i annan enpe konfizyon sirtou dan distrik.

Lo ki kantite letan ki bann diferan aplikasyon i i ganny fer?
Apre mon trwazyenm i zis en rekomandasyon mon ti a kontan ki en pe plis konsiltasyon avek Lotorite Distrik;- letan mon pe dir lotorite distrik savedir mon pe dir MNA ek DA i ganny fer par bann welfare officers.

Akoz nou, nou konn nou dimoun e souvandfwa se nou ki fer bann cases kot zot.

E laplipar letan nou refer sa bann cases kot zot, nou pa ganny en feedback se nou ki bezwen al rod sa feedback avek zot.

So mon ti a kontan si zot get en pe dan sa direksyon, pou kapab ranforsi servis ki zot donnen?
Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis zis endik mwan lekel ki pou.

Yes Miss Morin.

CEO BRENDA MORIN Bonzour Mr Chairman.

Bonzour tou bann Manm e piblik.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

Regarding bann sa stratezi ki nou annan [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 in terms pou nou increase awareness pou bann progranm ki pe vini, se sa ki nou war i annan en kantite kliyan deor la ki zot pa konnen tou sa benefis ki nou annan.
E se sa lannen prosen nou le konmans fer bann advert fer bann sansibilizasyon dan diferan parey dan distrik, menm dan bann lekol.

Pou fer dimoun aware ki bann benefis Gouvernman i annan an plas e pou dimoun kapab pran - konmsi pou zot kapab ganny sa bann benefis pou zot santi zot bezwen.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Minis kontinyen.

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Pou regards to consultation avek MNAs ek DAs wi nou welcome sa.
E mwan, mon ti ava ankouraze ki letan bann resipyan i bann dimoun i fer zot aplikasyon, be part of the process.

Akoz kot nou, nou annan bout distrik ki fer parey ou dir kekfwa pou zis menm ed sa dimoun, i annan lenformasyon pou li rode.

Akoz i en process sa - i en prosedir.

I annan verifikasyon ki nou fer lo nou kote.

So nou pou welcome sa akoz i pou, i pou bridge the gap pou as long as nou ganny tou lenformasyon, the process can start.

E plizyer fwa i ganny retar akoz bann dokimantasyon pa an plas.
E zot bezwen realize tou dimoun letan mon pe koze la, i pa zis dokimantasyon i vin kot nou, nou deside pou donnen pa pou donnen - you have to go through a criteria process.

E retar most of the time i vini akoz dokimantasyon is not sufficient, oubyen pa’n ganny anmennen in the first place.

mon welcome sa partnership avek MNAs ek DAs.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Onorab reste lo klarifikasyon please.


HON KELLY SAMYNADIN Wi mon ti ava i en kestyon ki mon’n demande ki pa’n reponn, normalman ki kantite letan normalman i pran pou en aplikasyon ganny process, pou en resipyan ganny son larepons?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Normalman i pran 2 semenn sa ki nou limit.

Me selman nou konnen poudir i pa’n toultan mars 2 semenn.
Enn bann kontrent ki nou annan, par egzanp nou annan apepre 15 nou travayer ki pe study 6 weeks they were out, pou zot al fer placement.

Mon pa oule fer leskiz, me selman i bann realite ki nou annan.

Apre mon’n dir ou poudir osi ki bann dokimantasyon ki an retar.

Visits ennler nou bezwen fer pou al fer verifikasyon ou al kot lakour sa dimoun pa la - i anvoy ou en.

En kantite keksoz i out of nou control, me selman nou, nou aim se pou fer li dan 2 semenn.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Vidot.


HON AUDREY VIDOT Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair mon kestyon i zisteman pou ranforsi lo sa pwen ki Onorab Samynadin in fer resorti.

Akoz menm si depi lannen 2022 la mon’n deza anmenn kestyon zisteman lo prosedir.

Nou kontinyen ganny dir 2 semenn, me pa plis ki zot asiste.

La zot pe ganny ankor Bidze anba gouvernans pou mannye bann progranm.

I annan de fwa ki annan dimoun ASP mwan personnelman mon’n call kot Lazans - 2mwan.
Mon demann zot si zot annan problenm staff, zot dir mwan non.

2 mwan.

Kominikasyon i enportan zot ti kapab si zot pa pe ganny sa kliyan oubyen lyez avek DA ek MNA, parey nou kapab ganny kontak avek sa dimoun.

Nou dan distrik parey Onorab Samynadin in dir, si i annan dokiman ki manke nou gid sa dimoun pou kapab fer li ganny son lasistans o pli vit posib, si in kalifye.

Me pa les 2mwan Minis - 2mwan.

I pa akseptab.


E nou pe vot ankor pou en Bidze la pe demann nou pou vot lo en Bidze 2023, nou pa kapab kontinyelman dimoun i vin kot zot pou esper plis ki 2mwan pou li ganny en lasistans - i pa akseptab?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Minis ou le fer konmanter?

Ms Morin?

CEO BRENDA MORIN Wi Onorab, mersi pou ou kestyon.

Definitivman nou pa oule ki en dimoun i esper 2 mwan pou ganny son benefis.
En keksoz ki nou [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 dir nou deza dan distrik pe eksplike, ki mannyer ki dokiman ki nou bezwen.

Me selman i annan menm avek DA nou lyez avek e ler nou pran ler dimoun i fer son aplikasyon la pou li donn tou son detay, ki mannyer nou kontakte li.

Zis parey en labank osi ou al kot li pou ou kapab demann en loan, sa dimoun i bezwen kapab ganny kontak avek ou.

Ou pa kapab donn en limero telefonn, apre landmen i pa marse.
So tousala ki vin sa bann dele.

E si nou’n demann ou en dokiman se ou bezwen donn nou sa dokiman, e osi pa bezwen al enlot landrwa pou sey pa donn sa dokiman.

Akoz sa dokiman i neseser.

E parfwa osi i annan case akoz i annan sa case i unique, e i annan diferan nesesite i annan lezot sityasyon ki nou bezwen lezot Minister pou travay avek nou.

So definitivman nou pe travay for pou redwir en dimoun ki son case i pas dan 2 mwan oubyen i pe espere.
Me korperasyon osi ki nou bezwen e se sa osi lannen prosen ki nou pe look into pou annan en sistenm ki pou arete sa mannyel.

Akoz tou keksoz i manual at ASP e nou bezwen automate.

E dan automation ki nou pou kapab al enpe pli vit ki nou kapab link up.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis oule azoute?

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT En pti bout zis pou mon azoute.

E Mr Chair, mersi.

Onorab apre osi - mon konnen poudir nou fer enta liaisons avek bann DA dan distrik, pou ganny en background.
Me selman osi nou bezwen aware ler en dimoun i fer son aplikasyon, si mon pa tronpe dan Data Protection Act, nou pa kapab zis demann dimoun lenformasyon lo en lot dimoun.

I bezwen annan en permisyon ki in donn nou pou nou al demann lenformasyon.

So i en pti pe sensitive.

So sa dimoun ki’n fer sa laplikasyon - mon mazinen poudir avek zot sipor whether it’s coming with a person - menm DA lo kote nivo sa i a ed nou en kantite.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Bistoquet?


HON ROSIE BISTOQUET [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Minis avek ou delegasyon.

Bonzour tou bann Onorab.

Minis mon pe get anba ou stratezi, se ki ou pou bezwen spesifikman konmdir ou bezwen strive, pou kontinyen konpar pou zot kapab konpran bezwen bann kliyan an partenarya avek lezot Lazans.
E prezan pou mwan, i annan enn de dimoun dan distrik ki par egzanp mon konnen, in ganny kontak avek zot ki ti annan pou fer avek zot needs.

Sirtou zot pe demann, demann lasistans, swa pou carer, swa pou welfare bann lezot.

E nou santi petet i annan serten sityasyon kot tou kliyan i ganny gete parey - sa ki bann kliyan pe dir.

Whereas konmsi bann si zot bezwen bann endividi intimate i diferan.
So ki monitoring, ouswa ki stratezi ou pou met an plas, ki par egzanp pou fer sir ki sa kliyan i ganny gete diferaman, malgre i annan serten kondisyon ki enpe relye ek kanmarad?

Akoz sa ki par egzanp bann dimoun dan distrik pe dir ki zot tou zot ganny met dan menm pannyen, e zot ganny sekwe, me selman zot pa pe ganny get zot bezwen special needs ki zot annan.

Apre anba PSP 1, mon war ou, ou’n met en consultancy fee ki en bon pti sonm i ariv R2.6milyon petet donn nou en lesplikasyon lo la?

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis nou pas kot CEO, wi?

Byen.

CEO BRENDA MORIN Onorab mersi pou ou kestyon.

Regarding ki i annan sa feeling deor ki nou pe get tou dimoun parey.

Non parey depi taler mon’n dir sa sanmenm sa ki ennler mon pe dir case i long akoz sakenn i unique.

I annan letan ki nou bezwen – nou annan diferan partners ki nou travay avek, se nou annan APDAR, i annan ki tar i annan kot Ministry of Family, i annan Employment, Social, tousala.
Se sa sak case i diferan e i annan diferan lezot lenstitisyon ki bezwen ganny enkli dan sa bann diskisyon pou nou ganny bann dokiman.

Si en dimoun i annan keksoz medikal, nou bezwen kot Health.

So non napa okenn ki ganny trete parey, akoz definitivman sak dimoun son sityasyon i diferan.

Si i annan kot lakaz i annan diferan sityasyon.

so definitivman ki nou’n dir ladan se build up partnership kot lezot pou dekouver lezot keksoz ki nou kapab fer.
E ler nou dir bann partner ki nou bezwen fer, se anmenn bann keksoz ki kot nou kot [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 ASP nou war, e fer pou get bann lezot landrwa ki zot kapab fer pou ed sa dimoun.

Parey mon en legzanp ki nou deza war avan, en dimoun ki ganny bebelouka en dimoun wi i ava ganny son benefis kot ASP anba la.

Me selman nou, nou plis nou pe sey get ek lafanmir ki kalite inclusion ki kapab ganny fer dan lasosyete, ki pa zis asize dan lakour?
Oubyen en lot dimoun ki ganny en keksoz en dezabilite.

So these are the things ki nou bezwen.

I pa kot nou ASP ki nou kapab fer sa, me nou anmennen ki pou war wi zot kot son lasistans kot ASP, me ki ankor i kapab fer pou ed li pou kontribye dan pei.

E ed li personnelman osi pou li feel included.

Akoz bann dimoun osi ler i vini la, i koz ek nou i dir nou sa bann ki sey al rod en louvraz i dir ‘non i pa ganny aksepte’ akoz i annan son dezabilite oubyen son maladi.
Be nou war osi ki nou pei nou pa devret aksepte sa.

Sa dimoun i annan son par ki kapab fer dan lasosyete.

So we bring these forward to the other Ministries pou war ki lot fason adisyonnel sa dimoun i kapab ganny ede dan Gouvernman.

Mersi.

Lo consultancy wi sa bout ki nou’n mete se sanmenm sa ki pou automate the system at ASP, akoz nou tro mannyel.
E ganny tou keksoz entegre this is what ki pou redwir risk frod, fer laplikasyon pli vit, pou nou kapab donn en better service pou tir bann konplent ki nou gannyen.

E menm resaman la nou’n update nou sistenm telefonn ki dousman, dousman i pe amelyor li - ki i pou vin en leta level, kot en dimoun i kapab telefonnen poudir ou press 1 for this Department press 2 for the other Department.

Ki bann keksoz modern ki menm mon drol pou mwan war ki tou sa letan ASP pa’n zanmen modernize dan teknolozi.

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Mon pou retourn kot Onorab Esparon ki mon krwar ti’n lev lanmen premye.

Onorab.

Pardon?

Ou annan leklersisman?

Wi Onorab reste lo leklersisman please.

HON ROSIE BISTOQUET Mersi pou sa larepons.


Akoz mon ti demann sa kestyon se akoz i annan, i annan en madanm 82 years old - mon konnen carer pa ankor sorti direk anba zot - 82 years old i reste li tousel in ganny aprouve by all the different Agencies, Lazans, Lasante poudir wi i [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 pou kapab ganny en carer, akoz i menm pa kapab kwi en pe manze.
E letan in aprouv sa laplikasyon in dir li koumsa poudir in meet dan kriter me selman akoz i annan serten bout propriyete ki pou li, me sa propriyete pou son fiy, son fiy pa Sesel sa pti larzan ki i anmase i pou son fiy i pa pou li.

E prezan mwan, mon pe regarde si dan sa sityasyon koumsa i pa pe kapab fer nanryen e i napa dimoun ki pe reste ek li, lekel ki pou monitor li?

Apre lekel ki pe pase pou regarde if it is sa dimoun i ok si i pa ok, ki mannyer i pe ale?
Mon pa konnen this is konmsi en sityasyon ki mon krwar petet sa kestyon mon krwar i en merit.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

CEO ou a kapab eklersi sa please?

CEO BRENDA MORIN Yes mersi Mr Speaker.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon e klarifikasyon.

Wi Onorab pa zis sa premye ka ki nou ganny sa bann exception.

E definitivman this is a case ki devret anmenn kot nou ankor pou get ladan.
Akoz parey nou ganny partou e kanmenm kot zot la sa bann cases, ki nou al dig deeper e mon pa pou kapab donn ou en repons lo sa specific person.

Me definitivman sa en ka pou nou kapab donn ou en repons spesifik lo la.

E menm sa bann keksoz ki elderly i sa bann dimoun i koumsa, i tonm osi kot Elderly Department kot Lafanmir apre Sosyal osi.

I pa ASP ki involve ladan, ok?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Mon a retourn kot Onorab Esparon.

HON REGINA ESPARON Mersi Mr Chairman.


Mr Chairman zis en pti pwen lo sa alokasyon anba SP1 parey Onorab Bistoquet in demande, i sa 2milyon 480mil ki 487mil ki pou foreign consultancy.

Eski zot satisfe ek rezilta ki zot in gannyen?

Enn.

Sa en pti remark.

E mon kestyon i ki demars anba sa Bidze mon konnen ou’n dir ou pe sey fer en mannyer pou zot bouz digital.
Ki demars zot pe fer pou improve sistenm lo nivo distrik mon pe koze, parske letan en kliyan i vin kot distrik i bezwen ranpli en [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 kantite papye.

Epi ou tann sa social worker i dir ek ou koumsa i bezwen anmenn sa bann papye anvil.

Ki demars zot pe fer anba sa Bidze pou ki lo kote distrik osi keksoz i ganny fer digitally, ki i pe ranpli apre i kapab send li atraver en email - konmsi i bezwen annan sa network avek direkteman avek biro?
Pou ankor la pou anpese ki sa dele letan ki sa kliyan pe espere pou ganny sa larepons i bouz en pe pli vit.

Parske mon menm war la dan enn zot bann target zot in mete poudir 2023 zot pe zot target, se pou en kliyan fer zis 7 zour olye 14 zour.

Mon war an menm tan i annan en alokasyon 110mil anba minor capitals pou zesyon of IT equipment, eski zot satisfe ki sa pou solve sa problenm, sa i mon kestyon?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

CEO.

CEO BRENDA MORIN Sorry mersi Mr Speaker.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.


Lo, se sa, sa bout ki ou pe demande la lo zafer consultancy lo going digital sa ki ou pe war 2.4 ki dan Bidze la, pou nou rod nou pe al bid, pou nou ganny en sistenm digital ki pou se sa konmans dan distrik ler ou fer laplikasyon.

Ki nou pou arete input sepa konbyen fwa dan detay lanmenm la kot errors i ganny mete.

Akoz tou nou sistenm i separe depi avan nou’n vin koz sa plen fwa dan Lasanble.
E se sa la ki nou pe al konmanse lannen prosenn, pou kapab hopefully redwir tou bann konplent, speed up laplikasyon e pou tir tou bann potansyel pou frod dan nou sistenm.

E parey mon’n dir osi nou’n al digital osi, nou pe avek fason ki nou deal avek customer service, nou telefonn is one ki ti many years ago ki the old fashion way ki ti itilize.

So hopefully avek tousala nou kapab give out a better service.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Yes Onorab?


HON REGINA ESPARON Mersi en pti klarifikasyon, CEO letan ou pe dir mon ki ou pe donn better service sa lyezon, parey letan ou annan bann kliyan ki al [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 lopital letan ou pe ganny asiste lo kote medikal, eski sa osi eski zot pe link e pou annan network ki pou osi ed zot dan sa?
Olye ki en kliyan in koup en kote lipye, i war li bezwen ale tou le 6mwan tou le 1mwan pou al Lopital pou ganny sa medical certificate pou prouve poudir sa lipye pa’n pouse li – ou konpran mwan?

Eski sa osi i pou annan sa network avek zot pou ki, pou ki i fasilit bann keksoz?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Onorab.

CEO wi, klarifikasyon vitman.

CEO BRENDA MORIN Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mersi Onorab.


La ou pe koz lo invalidity ek disability ki en sistenm ki fason ki sa pe ganny fer e i bezwen pe ganny revize e i form par dan sa World Bank reform ki pe vini.

E en pwen osi ki ou’n dir se sa, ler nou, nou modernize we are hoping ki bann lezot Departman dan Gouvernman osi pe modernize, pou nou kapab ganny sa social register ki pei has a need for e ki sanmenm sa ki World Bank pe demande.

This work in progress ki ansanm avek SS Finans pe travay lo la.
So this is why nou pe aim ki nou kapab ganny lenformasyon kont en Departman tandis parey la ki is a matter osi.

Ale al rod sa rapor, al war sa dokter, pran en transpor, al anmas sa dokiman, ki tousala it’s the old fashion way of doing things Sesel pa ankor modernize.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Woodcock.

HON WAVEL WOODCOCK Mersi Mr Chairman.


Mon kestyon i baze lo ‘use of goods and services’ – ‘other use of goods and services’ an 2022 ti R6milyon la mon war en logmantasyon in ariv R8.1milyon pou 2023.

Si ou kapab donn nou enpe detay akoz sa logmantasyon en pti pe plis ki R2milyon?

Apre Mr Chair i annan Minis i annan bann manigans politik - bann politik bonmarse ki ti pe deroule la deor.
Annefe propagann kont zot ti pe sey met deor konm kwa bann benefis parey funeral benefits, orphan benefits, semi orphans, Day Care Scheme tousala ti pe ganny arete anba ou Minister.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Me mon war li dan Bidze so si ou kapab konfirmen poudir sa bann benefis i ankor egziste - i ankor la, menm si i annan sa bann benefis ki ganny transfer anba bann lezot, lezot Departman anba Minister?
Apre i annan en issue lo en konsern deor, i pran bokou letan ennler parey ler en dimoun ki annan en problenm medikal parey lo Medical Board;- ennler i tarde avanler i ganny validated ki vre i annan en problenm lasante, bezwen lasistans ASP.

Eski i annan en sinerzi en fason travay avek Medical Board pou fer sir ki sa bann case, sa bann dimoun ki annan problenm medikal pa tarde pou zot ganny konfirmen konm kwa zot bezwen, zot pa pou kapab travay ki zot bezwen ganny sa bann lasistans?
E finalman … MR SPEAKER Ou’n fer 3 deza Onorab.

HON WAVEL WOODCOCK … ou office rent i very high i R3.1milyon mwan, mon annan en gro konsern akoz ASP son servis i pe lwe bann plas avek en antite, en parti politik Horizon Complex i belong to United Seychelles e zot rent i vreman eleve - vreman i vreman o. E mon pa krwar ki en antite Gouvernman i merit pe lwe lofis avek en building ki pou en parti politik.

E sa in kout bokou.
E sa in kout bokou.

E mwan, mon santi poudir zot bezwen rod en lot landrwa olye ki zot kontinyen lwe plas avek en building ki pou United Seychelles lo Praslin.

Mersi bokou.

MR SPEAKER Mersi annou sey gard 3 pwen silvouple.

CEO ou’n ganny 4 pwen la pou adrese.

Minis mon pas kestyon ek CEO.

Yes carry on.

CEO BRENDA MORIN Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

Regarding sa bann benefis ki ou’n koz lo la, non zot reste.

Zot reste kot ASP i pa sanze.


E ou’n demann lo medical an relasyon avek Medical Board ka ki pe al lo la.

I annan osi bann reform ki pe ganny fer - parey WHO ki pe vin an plas ki pe reassess ki pou annan sa bann reassessment bann dimoun ki lo disability avek invalidity in the future.

E sa i bann prosedir ki pe vini dan, dan sa bann reform lannen prosen la, e bann ki pe konmanse deza.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Mersi.
Lo rental ya sa i ankor nou rent i ankor parey please.

Ok?

MR SPEAKER Eski nou’n adres tou ou pwen Onorab?

HON WAVEL WOODCOCK I annan ‘other uses of goods and services’ sa logmantasyon 2milyon.

Apre rent Horizon Complex Praslin pa’n … MR SPEAKER Yes lekel ki pou adrese.

Yes Madanm financial controller.

FINANCIAL CONTROLLER CHIARA CULTRERI Mersi Mr Chair.

Thank you Onorab.

Sa increase anba other uses of goods i akoz foreign consultancy ki ASP i anvizaze antre ladan next year pou amelyor son servis.
MR SPEAKER Yeah ok, satisfe.

HON WAVEL WOODCOCK Zis ankor enn fwa Minister wi rental Horizon Complex pou Parti United Seychelles kan nou pou sorti laba?

Akoz mon pa krwar i en bon lide pou nou kontinyen lwe avek.

MR SPEAKER Ok. Minis?

HON WAVEL WOODCOCK Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Minis zis reponn li lo son kestyon Horizon Complex.

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chair.

Sa i en kestyon mon kontan ou’n raise sa i en kestyon internally ki pe ganny discuss.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi tre byen.


Onorab Mondon.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 HON TERENCE MONDON Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman premyerman mon anvi SS Payet i klarifye en lenformasyon pou mwan.

Anfet i pa ankor koze depi bomaten dan anba ASP anba Approved Programs lannen pase pou sa lannen 2022 ti annan sa Home Care Scheme ki son sonm ti R299milyon 399mil.

E dan Home Care Agency nou war en sonm R311milyon 636mil anba other service allowances.
Eski sa sif anba Home Care Agency, i sa nouvo sif ki pou avan ti Home Care Scheme ki reprezant en logmantasyon 4poursan?

Mon dezyenm kestyon mon kestyon aprezan Mr Chairman dan menm latab Approved Programs safety net i ti pou sa lannen i ti R40milyon 680mil.

E in vin R61milyon 679mil ki reprezant 52poursan logmantasyon ki Minis in mansyonnen dan son lentrodiksyon.
Ki mon anvi konnen Minis ou’n dir ki avek bann reazisteman ki pou ganny fer avek bann pwen e kriter zot pe espekte plis dimoun kapab kalifye pou en, en lasistans.

Eski zot in fer en lalis pou war baze lo sa Bidze konbyen ki poursantaz an plis bann dimoun pou kapab kalifye?

E swa zot pou benefisye si oule lo en pli gro sonm bann dimoun ki deza kalifye zot pou benefisye avek en pli gro sonm ki zot pou gannyen ozordi?

Mon anvi konnen ki lo zot analiz kwa ki pe dir nou an term logmantasyon?
Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Nou annan 2 kestyon la.

Premye ti’n adrese pou SS Payet mon a pas kot li.

SS.

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Onorab.

Bonn apre midi Mr Chair.

E bonn apre midi tou Manm Onorab e tou dimoun ki a lekout.

Mr Chair zis pou konfirmen ki sa konponan ki nou’n eksklir anba benefis ek bann Approved Program ASP Home Care Scheme, i li menm li ki nou’n met anba the Home Care ki annan sa vot ki anba Ministry of Family Affairs ki zot ti pran semenn pase.
So sa konponan nou’n met li anba zot ‘goods and services’, i pou saler bann home carer.

E i annan en konponan ki nou ladan ki nou’n enkli sa R500 ki zot pe gannyen ozordi.

Dezyenm kestyon regarding sa konponan social safety net, parey zot war i annan sa logmantasyon.

Dan nou prozeksyon kot [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Minister Finans nou’n met sa increase, akoz nou’n war ki sityasyon lekonomi ki nou’n dir ki annan nou pe forecast en pli o lenflasyon lannen prosen.
E osi bann lensertitid ki ankor egziste avek lager Ukraine ki nou espekte i kapab annan plis bann dimoun ki pe demann lasistans avek ASP.

So sanmenm sa ki nou’n forecast sa logmantasyon lo nou kote.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Yes Onorab Mondon.

HON TERENCE MONDON Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mon still mon anvi klarifye mwan, par lefe ki Minis in koz lo reazisteman en’pe lo bann pwa ki abitye servi, eski sa logmantasyon i pou permet parey in dir plis dimoun?
Se sa ki mon anvi konnen konmsi e ki lefe i pou annan vreman avek sa logmantasyon?

Akoz i en gran logmantasyon ki byen.

Eski vreman nou pou ganny en bon pli gran group dimoun ki pou kapab benefisye avek sa, sa logmantasyon?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Annefe mon krwar Minis pa ti ankor reponn nou dezyenm kestyon, si li ki pou reponn so i ava adres tou ansanm.

SS Payet, wi?
SS Payet, wi?

SS PATRICK PAYET Kekfwa Mr Chair, zis pou azoute ki zis pou donn en’pe statistik avan revizyon weights ki’n ganny fer an Me sa lannen, ti annan - apepre an Avril ti annan zis 103 benefisyer e as at Septanm i annan 310.

So ou’n war ki plis dimoun in kapab kalifye pou ganny benefis, akoz sa logmantasyon dan weight ki ti ganny fer an Me.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Minis ti annan ankor keksoz oubyen …?

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT I ok Mr Chair SS in kouver tou.
MR SPEAKER [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Ok Onorab pa pe demann lot kestyon bon nou’n ariv 12midi edmi.

Mon bezwen pran lopinyon Bills Committee, akoz nou ti’n dir nou pou aret 12midi edmi.

So mon pe regarde, eski i en problenm pou retard ou meeting oubyen ou annan lezot dimoun ki pe vini ki soz?

Onorab Andre Chairman ou kapab adres mwan lo la.

HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Wi Mr Chair.

Ou pa’n dir nou konbyen, konbyen Manm i reste.


Kekfwa si ti annan 2 Manm i kapab nou kapab retard li pou en 10minit, me selman akoz apre nou bezwen retournen.

Apre i annan pou nou osi pran nou manze, staff osi pou zot manze.

I kree en pti pe, en pti pe problenm pou nou.

MR SPEAKER I kree en pti pe problenm pou ou.

HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Yes.

MR SPEAKER Ok dan sa ka nou ava pran break la e nou a repran travay 2er.

Mersi nou a revwar bann delegasyon.


(BREAK) AGENCY FOR SOCIAL PROTECTION INCLUDING BENEFITS AND APPROVED PROGRAMS OF ASP (Cont) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Bonn apre midi tou Manm Onorab, nou bann guests ki avek nou dan Lasanble Nasyonal ozordi, sorti kot Minister Lanplwa e Zafer Sosyal e osi piblik ki a lekout.

Nou pou kontinyen nou deliberasyon dan Staz Komite lo Appropriation Bill 2023 e nou pe regard heading Agency for Social Protection including Benefits and Approved Programs of ASP.
Nou’n dekal en pti pe avek letan so let’s be mindful pou nou sey re atrap letan akoz i enportan nou fini a ler.

So bann kestyon e larepons nou ava esey kaptir letan en pti pe kot nou’n arive.

Prosen entervenan lo lalis se Onorab Bastienne.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 HON DESHIELA BASTIENNE Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonn apre midi Mr Chair.

Bonn apre midi ankor enn fwa Minis ek ou delegasyon.

E bonn apre midi tou piblik a lekout.


Minis mon kestyon i annan pou fer avek welfare officer.

Vi ki Perseverance pou le moman i pe ganny konsidere konman en gran distrik.

I annan 2 Ladministrasyon Distrik, me i annan 1 welfare officer ek 1 social officer ki pou le moman zot, zot baze dan Perseverance 1.

Eski dan sa Bidze i pe fer provizyon pou ki ki zot recruit e train ankor enn de staff, ki pou kapab deservi nou distrik.
E la mon pe koz lo welfare officer, akoz Perseverance nou war nou an retar avek nou bann demann ek nou bann konsern.

E sa welfare officer ki konmela i baze dan Perseverance, nou war li plizoumwen 2 zour selman pandan lasemenn.

E nou aprann ki i bezwen al kouver lezot distrik.

Mon ti ava apresye si zot, zot annan provizyon pou train enn de staff, ki Perseverance konman en gran distrik i a war li annan son full time welfare officer?

Mersi.

DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Panel Minister.


MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Thank you Mr Chairman.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

Wi nou okouran ki i en distrik ki very needy e i son demann i very vast.

E letan nou pou fer nou recruitment, i en keksoz ki nou pe konsidere to give full time one person and if need be then nou ava konsider lot osi.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Minister.

Prosen entervenan se Onorab Loze.

HON JOHAN LOZE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker once again mon kestyon i baze lo Polisi.
Mon ti a kontan ganny en lesplikasyon lo Polisi ki pe gid bann Komite entern si i annan if any, kot ASP, spesifikman prosedir pou benefis envalidite ki Lalwa i fer provizyon pou Board Medikal.

Mon ti a kontan ganny en lesplikasyon si zot annan lo mekanizm entern?

E dezyenmman okenn Komite entern ki zot annan ki konsern bann lezot benefis, ki bann aplikan i vini kot zot ki zot dir i pran 2 [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 semenn pou donnen.
So mon ti a kontan ganny en lesplikasyon lo zot bann internal mechanism?

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mon ava envit panel pou - ?

CEO?

CEO BRENDA MORIN Bonn apre midi Chairman.

Bon apre midi tou Onorab.

Onorab mersi pou ou kestyon.

Regarding invalidity ek disability sa prosedir in la pou detrwa lannen in byen long.

E sa se Medical Board ki deal avek ki nou, nou’n anvoye, me sa ansanm anba reform parey nou’n dir avan pou ganny revize.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi CEO.


I annan dimoun pe azout kek- ?

Yes Onorab Loze.

HON JOHAN LOZE Anba reform pe ganny revize, Lalwa i provide pou Medical Board li, mon le konnen an se moman ki mannyer i pe ganny handled - si zis Medical Board, ouswa si zot annan Internal Committees ki pe re process sa ki Medical Board pe anvoy zot ?

Nou anvi konnen e pou bann benefis welfare osi ki mannyer i pe ganny process.
Si zot annan bann Komite Entern ki pe asiz lo file dimoun, ki pe fer sa 2 semenn ki Minis i dir nou toultan vin plis ki 2 semenn.

E ki petet ki Minis osi i ava ganny en lesplikasyon la, akoz li she seems to be functioning lo 2 semenn.

E mon anvi ou dir nou, ou eksplik nou eksplik Minis tou akoz pe pran pli long?

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER I le konn prosedir egzakt ki zot annan si zot get rapor medikal ki’n ganny anvoye, ouswa si i annan en lot internal vetting process.
Straight question proceed madanm.

PRINCIPAL BENEFIT WELFARE OFFICER MARIE-FRANCE SOURIS Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonn apre midi tou Onorab.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

Pou Social Security Medical Board, sa i ganny kouver anba regilasyon Social Security 2010, i fer provizyon pou annan sa Medical Board.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 E tou bann case ki ganny aprouve i bezwen pas atraver sa Board.
E bann aplikan ki ganny met lo benefis pou envalidite ouswa dezabilite, sa bann case i ganny renouvle dapre kondisyon ki Medical Board i donnen dan zot rapor.

Mon mazinen in eklersi ou en pti pe Onorab?

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Onorab ou’n konpran.

HON JOHAN LOZE Mr Speaker ASP pe dir nou kategorikman ki zot pa’n set up okenn Komite Entern, ki pe re process dokiman ki sorti kot Medical Board, e zot napa okenn Komite Entern ki pe re vet laplikasyon ki pe antre kot zot pou bann aplikan benefis sosyal.
Si zot pe dir nou sa kategorikman then mon satisfe, e fotespere nou ava kontinyen koumsa, nou ava aret tann sa bann keksoz ki nou pe tande.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

Minister i le klarifye ?

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chair.

Onorab ou konpran tre byen ki nou pe dir.

So mon pou redir ou ankor, sa Komite napa en Komite Entern.

Welfare assistance i annan Komite Entern, se sa koumsa i marse.
Nou espere ki letan i sorti kot the Committee, the Medical, Medical Board nou pou ganny lenformasyon e nou travay lo la.

The other one is internal for welfare.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Savedir, i pe dir i depan lekel case ki vini.

I kler Onorab?

HON JOHAN LOZE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Your rudeness aside Minister, so napa en Komite ki pe post vet Medical Board?

Zot napa Internal Committee zot ki’n dir la.


Zot annan zis en Komite ki pe vet welfare applications, ki pe fer li pran bokou plis letan ki 2 semenn ki Minis i asir nou.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Ok Onorab in fer kler poudir napa.

Prosen entervenan mon ava kriy Onorab Cosgrow.

HON WALLACE COSGROW Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonn apre midi tou dimoun.


Mr Chair mon pou le met mon kestyon lo, lo pa lo Lazans li menm - pa lo Lazans, me selman lo social safety net dan Approved Benefits and Programs of the ASP.

2021 Bidze social safety net ti 21milyon apepre 22milyon.

Apre 22 in mont 40milyon e la 2023 going forward ziska 2025 i pou apepre 61milyon, en.

Now ler mon fer en pti kalkil Mr Chair dapre lenformasyon ki SS in donn nou boner between Zanvye ziska Septanm ti annan apepre 103 dimoun lo benefis welfare.
Apre la zot in ganny zot apepre 330, 339 mon krwar ou’n dir apepre dan sa lanniy.

Now ler mon kalkil - mon pe donn sak aplikan en maksimonm benefit en, maksimonm ki sipoze gannyen.

Ler mon kalkile between la avek Desanm, zot pa depanse plis ki R10milyon, ler mon kalkile zot pa depanse plis ki R10milyon.

Me selman zot annan zot en Bidze R40milyon, eski zot kapab dir nou konbyen larzan zot pou fini avek sa lannen?

Akoz ozordi i annan dimoun pe konplent poudir zot ganny difikilte access welfare.
E dayer mazorite konversasyon ki nou’n gannyen la anndan mazorite zot bann Onorab, zot ateste ki difikilte ki dimoun i gannyen pou ganny lasistans sosyal.

So konbyen larzan nou pe reste avek apre lannen?

e si napa larzan, si ou kapab dir nou si sanmenm sa larzan ki’n ganny servi pou aziste sa bann peyman R500 ki Gouvernman bann peyman tanporer ki Gouvernman pe donnen, si zot in tir from sa Bidze?

Apre si nou ankor dan 10milyon, ki nou pe al rode dan 21milyon?
I annan keksoz an plis ki zot bezwen fer ouswa zot pe al revwar zot Polisi pou dimoun kapab ganny asiste ek lasistans dan larzan ki’n ganny mete?

Akoz i pa pe arive.

Mon’n dir mon pou kontinyen dir e mon krwar zot pou dakor ek mwan, nou anvi war sa larzan kot i devret ale silvouple!

Aret met Board isi aret met Board laba, aret fer evalyasyon lo Board isi, evalyasyon lo Board laba.

Mersi bokou.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

I annan 2 pwen konbyen pou reste avan lafen lannen.
Apre si sa larzan ki pe pran pou fer lazisteman saler?

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Bomaten PS, SS Payet ti reponn enpe dan sa lanniy mon pa konnen si i anvi repran pou eksplike?

Mersi.

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonn apre midi tou Manm Onorab e tou dimoun ki a lekout.

Mr Chair parey mon’n mansyonnen bomaten nou forecast ki Minister Finans in fer pou lannen 2023, nou’n pran an kont to lenflasyon.
So nou espekte avek to lenflasyon i kapab arive evantyelman ki annan plis aplikan, ki vin rod demann pou social safety net.

Sa nou’n pran an kont.

E dezyenm konponan parey Minis Finans in anonse dan son ladres Bidze, nou annan en travay ki nou pe fer National Economic planning avek bann Lazans konsernen ki enkli ASP nou pe fer assessment lo sa socio-economic needs assessment.
So i kapab arive osi baze lo sa socio-economic needs assessment once ki i konplete, i kapab annan plis aplikan osi ki antre dan prosedir.

So nou, nou’n fer sir ki provizyon i la pou lannen prosen avek sityasyon to lenflasyon, lo sa socio-economic assessment sa i baze lo forecast ki nou’n fer.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

CEO i le azout keksoz.

CEO BRENDA MORIN Mersi Chairman.

Wi i annan keksoz ki mon le azoute.

Se zis pou montre ki Zanvye ziska le 17 Novanm, nou’n asiste 2063 dimoun lo welfare.
E mon le ankor montre ki i annan en prosedir an plas.

Larzan pa ganny donnen zis koumsa parey avan ti ganny fer.

I annan en prosedir e osi ler mon’n asiste the International Protection Lasosyasyon ki ganny fer, kot tou pei i vini pou nou koz lo bann keksoz social protection dan pei, napa enn ki mon’n zwenn ki donn larzan pou nanryen.

So i annan ki ganny evalye -i baze lo merit akoz sa i larzan piblik.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.


Me i annan 1 pwen eski sa larzan i larzan ki pe ganny servi pou azisteman saler?

Wi ouswa non, SS Payet.

SS PATRICK PAYET [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Lo sa kote R500 financial assistance, sa i dan en lot vot ki nou pou touse Vandredi prosen.

I pa ganny enkli ladan.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Larepons i non pou sa kestyon.

Oule ou annan klarifikasyon?


HON WALLACE COSGROW Ya Mr Speaker zis en klarifikasyon.

Mr Chair konbyen larzan ki aprezan zot in depanse anba social safety net, depi Zanvye ziska la?

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

CEO.

CEO BRENDA MORIN Mersi Mr Chairman.

Larzan ki nou’n depanse la ziska 17 Novanm i 8.2milyon.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi CEO.

Mon ava apel aprezan Onorab Gabriel.

HON CONRAD GABRIEL Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonn apre midi Minis ek ou delegasyon ankor enn fwa.
Bonn apre midi tou dimoun a lekout.

Mr Chair atraver ou mon ti ava le partaz menm santiman avek bann lezot Onorab ki la.

Zot internal procedures please, sa i en pti pe bezwen regete, reget enpe ladan.

Akoz konman MNA pou Pointe Larue, mon ganny bokou difikilte mwan osi pou kapab etabli bann benefis bann case ki dimoun cases i pas atraver bokou bureaucracy mon kapab dir.
So zis ensure dir nou poudir nou sa Bidze ki la, i pou annan serten fairness ladan kot tou dimoun pou benefisye sa ki pa kapab vreman pa kapab.

Akoz lasosyete, lasosyete i la pou ede sa bann larzan i la pou sa bann dimoun.
Mwan, mon ti a kontan konnen pou distrik Pointe Larue dan tou sa bann progranm depi retirement an desandan sickness, funeral lot, lot si tou dimoun Pointe Larue petet si zot annan sa statistik, donn mwan by district wise kantite dimoun dan mon distrik ki’n ganny asiste avek welfare so far ziska la?

Mersi.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ok reponn spesifikman lo distrik Pointe Larue.

Minister?

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chair.


Mersi Onorab.

Pou sa dernyen nou napa sa we can send the statistics to you e bann leres Onorab si zot bezwen, nou ava anvoy sa.

Onorab parey nou’n deza eksplike Agency for Social Protection i la pou asiste dimoun, i nou manda sa e nou fer tou sa ki nou Act i demann nou fer in accordance.

Nou pa fer sa ki nou le nou chose pou donn en pe dimoun, pa donn enpe dimoun i pa mars koumsa.

We have to follow what the procedures are.


E mon kontan poudir kot Lazans i annan en prosedir ki marse e sa prosedir ki marse there is fairness, because it’s not one person who decides.

As oppose to before ki ou ganny en phone call ki dir ou donnen pa donnen – non!

I annan en prosedir i annan kriter.


Mwan menm mon konman Minis mon pa kapab reverse sa akoz i ale i sorti kot zot premyerman si sa dimoun pa’n ganny sa lasistans i al lo en Appeals Committee ki endepandan e i annan diferan dimoun an deor ASP ki asiz lo la.

What we see is the majority of the times ler ASP in go through son criteria, e son ability to actually approve or not approve si i annan en appeal, most of the time sa Appeals Committee doesn’t reverse sa sityasyon.
Savedir sa preliminary desizyon ki’n ganny fer i korek, e si i reverse it’s fine.

Mon pou mon bann cases pou vin devan mon extreme cases, ki ekstraordiner prezan ou pe asize ou pe get… Parey bomaten enn de MNA la in koz ek nou bann extreme cases prezan ou ale ou regard ladan.

Me selman mannyer sistenm i ete ki mannyer SOPs i ete in tire tou sa labi ki ti annan kot ASP.

ASP i en Lazans ki pe travay drwat.

E mon lapel avek dimoun out there, please come forward.
I parey letan ou apply en loan kot labank pa i dir ou anmenn tou ou dokiman?

Be akoz kot ASP i en problenm pou dimoun anmenn son dokiman?

You have to bring the documents pou nou fer verifikasyon.

Annou aret fer nou dimoun konmsi viktim.

People are not victims, they should know how things work and follow procedures.

Follow procedures i dan tou keksoz;- zot follow procedures isi dan Lasanble.
Nou, nou follow procedures dan travay, i en [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 prosedir an plas.

So therefore annou empower nou dimoun pou zot kapab pran zot responsabilite.

Come forward mon kontan zot pou donn en koudmen - sa dimoun kekfwa i bezwen en koudmen.

Be partou kot ou ale dan tou lofis i donn ou en dokimantasyon pou verifikasyon.

So let’s empower dimoun.

Nou, nou pa ser dimoun nou.

Nou vini i apply i approve i al lo son kriter.


I approve oubyen i pa approve i annan en appeals process in place.

Nou la pou nou soutenir dimoun.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Minister.

Mon war ou pe rod klarifikasyon.

Me selman mon konman en Manm Elekte my advice to the Assembly, se letan nou pe deal avek sa bann Lazans Gouvernman ekrir zot, ekrir zot demann zot dokimant sa case.

Parske i fasil pou vin la anndan e eksprim nou drwa lekspresyon e zis dir i annan 2mwan i annan 2 semenn case pa marse.
Mwan I always write to Madanm Tirant and I got proof whenever there is a case.

So ki si demen i annan en case pou nou leve avek okenn antite Gouvernman, i annan rikord parey Minis pe dir bann clear procedure, ki nou a kapab backup nou stetment par proof of sa bann keksoz ki nou pe dir.

Onorab oule fer klarifikasyon?

Mersi.

HON CONRAD GABRIEL Mersi Minis pou ou well detail repons.

Me selman avan ou ale mon pou met en case devan ou e we’ll follow up from there - it’s been 1 year.

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Apre ki ou fini koz ek Minis, Onorab, osi anvoy en email pou Minis akoz telefonn, en konversasyon napa laprev poudir nou ti’n deza met en konversasyon.

Prosen entervenan Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Non, mon … Hold on.

Mon’n note poudir i annan ler nou’n antre, i annan 3 Manm in lev lanmen 2 lo kote US e 1 lo kote LDS.
Dezormen mon pou pran zis bann Manm ki ti lo lalis avan - yes Onorab Romain ou lo la ou ki lo lalis avan Speaker i ale akoz we [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 try to catch up with time, so I’m not opening possibilities for new question.

So Onorab Pillay proceed, unless Onorab Pillay dan son 5 kestyon ki i pe al demande i demann ou 2 li i pran 3.

Proceed Onorab.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Non be la mon krwar Mr Chairman la mon krwar ou pa pe fair la.
Si en Manm in lev son lanmen, in lev son lanmen ou pa kapab fer koumsa.

HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL (Off-Mic) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Look I have la, la mon fek pe koz laprev avek zot la papye devan mon lekel bann dimoun ki zot non i lo la enkli Onorab Romain sorry mon pa ti’n war ou limero 12.

So Onorab either ou proceed ouswa nou move on to the next.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi ou pe pran son non, non?

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Non mon pa pou pran mon’n dir akoz we’re trying to catch up with time.

Ale.
Ale.

HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL (Off-Mic) Mr Speaker les mon a dir en pti keksoz.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ale.

HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL Mr Speaker mon pa konnen kwa ki’n arive - mon pa konnen si i annan dimoun lo panel ti war ler mon ti lev mon lanmen oubyen, si lo lot kote ti war.

Mon ti lev mon lanmen parmi bann premye ansanm avek Onorab Regina.

Nou ti lev nou lanmen, ok?


Mon war i drol Mr Speaker in pas kot lezot apre in vin lo Onorab Regina apre in dir in bliy Onorab [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Regina, be i drol ki mon non pa lo lalis.

Mon krwar lezot i kapab ateste ki mon non ti lo lalis.

Mon le mon ti lev mon lanmen.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Lekel ki kapab ateste?

HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL … so if LDS ti war zot war zot anfas mon zot kapab ateste, ateste ek Mr Speaker i a met mon non lo lalis.

Mersi!
Mersi!

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Yes Onorab Esparon?

HON REGINA ESPARON Mr Speaker bonn apre midi.

Wi mon kapab konfirmen letan mon ti pe lev lanmen mon ti pe regard Onorab Lemiel e Speaker ti war nou.

Nou ti parmi bann premye ki ti lev lanmen avan lezot.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ok very good.

So akoz i annan sa 1 Manm ki’n dir i ateste, so nou ava donn ou sans selman Onorab Pillay savedir ou proceed.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker Mr Chairman.


Mon hope ou pa, ou pa tro ankoler ek sa zafer yer sa zafer Lalmanny pa ti dan bon.

So ok Mr Chairman mon bezwen demann en lesplikasyon kler lo sa bann sif ki devan nou.

Akoz nou bezwen ganny en konpran la en?

I annan plizyer Manm mon’n tann Onorab Bastienne lo lot kote latab boner mon’n tann Onorab Naidu kot lo problenm sosyal.

Plizyer Manm pe eksprim en konsern vizavi en keksoz kekfwa ki pa pe azoute ki pa pe marse.
E nou ti a kontan ganny en konpran; dan Bidze anba social safety net pou 2022 i annan en sonm R40milyon 680mil.

Nou’n ganny dir poudir dan sa Bidze R40milyon 680mil, nou’n depans R8.2milyon.

Savedir i annan en balans R32milyon 480mil.

So premye kestyon kote sa balans R32milyon 480mil i ete e prezan si nou pe al donn ankor R61milyon 769mil, eski sa i enkli sa R32milyon 480mil oubyen i R61milyon over and above sa R32milyon 480mil?
Rezon mon demann sa kestyon Mr Chairman, se akoz nou pa kapab vote met larzan dan en Bidze pou asiste [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 dimoun, me sa i vin zis konman en book entry e larzan pa ale ver lasistans dimoun.

No matter kantite prosedir ki nou oule mete, mon issue se ki larzan pa pe ganny depanse relatif avek rate ki Minister Finans pe etablir.
Prezan mon dezyenm kestyon, mon dezyenm kestyon i lir koumsa, ler mon regard forecast e mon konpar forecast 2018 up to 2020, forecast ki ti annan oparavan an relasyon avek social safety, net sete en sonm 54milyon ki ti son actual an 2019.

2020 ti Budget 47mil apre ti revise pou vin sa 27milyon akoz Covid.

2021 ler Gouvernman LDS ti pe pas son premye Bidze i ti desann pou li vin R21milyon.
Alors mon kestyon i kwa ki in fer ki aprezan in retourn lo preski menm nivo ki nou ti annan an 2020;- savedir nou’n ariv R61milyon - kwa ki’n fer pou nou, pou nou retourn laba?

E mon trwazyenm kestyon prezan, si nou pe ganny dir ki napa additional prosedir entern, napa additional konplikasyon entern, me akoz alor ki nou pe demann MNA pou call Lazans pou rezourd problenm welfare, kan prosedir li menm i devret adres sa bann problenm?
Savedir nou le retourn back to ki nou’n dir nou le tire kot MNA i enterfer dan welfare e la nou pe dir i vin zouti politik.

So akoz nou pe nou pe fer sa?

Sey fer mon konpran kote ki annan en nen ki anmare ki anpes sa larzan sipoze ariv kot sa dimoun?

Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mon’n not 3 pwen.

SS premye, proceed.

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.


Mr Chair parey tou Manm e popilasyon Sesel osi i okouran ki, letan en Bidze pa ganny depanse dan en alokasyon ki’n ganny fer, sa i retourn dan Consolidated Fund.

So si i annan evantyalite ki sa 40milyon ki nou pe forecast 2022 e parey CEO in mansyonnen ki ziska prezan apepre 8.2milyon ki’n ganny depanse, si forecast kekfwa i depans apepre 10milyon, 30milyon i retourn dan Consolidated Fund.
Me sepandan parey mon’n mansyonnen nou forecast pou Bidze 2023, nou’n prenan kont aktyalite ki pe arive sa lannen.

E osi to lenflasyon lannen prosenn e parey mon’n mansyonnen ki [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 nou annan sa revizyon dan sa socio-economic needs assessment based on non-income dimension of poverty.
So i annan en travay ki pe ganny fer, ki nou war once ki zot pa pou pran zis income, zot pou pran lezot fakter, nou’n war ki i pou annan plis dimoun ki pou kalifye.

So sa en travay ki Departman National Planning pe fer avek bann lezot lenstitisyon.

E osi parey Minis Finans in mansyonnen, ki the financial assistance i pou arete by end of March, so nou espekte ki si i annan bann endividi zot feel ki zot bezwen plis lasistans, e nou espekte tousala nou’n pran an kont dan forecast Bidze 2023.
So nou letan Minister Finans nou’n pran forecast pou lannen 2023, nou ‘n prenan ankont travay ki fer avek bann Lazans, pou war ki mannyer nou kapab asiste plis bann endividi, si i annan ki vin devan.

I parey financial assistance - zis nou prenan kont the private sector - the private sector konpare ki nou ti espekte zis 791 endividi from private sector ki’n vin devan.

Me nou letan nou ti pe fer nou’n fer forecast apepre 3mil a 4mil sekter prive.
So nou war menm si nou fer forecast, me selman i depan sa endividi pou zot al kot fer bann prosedir konsernen, pou zot kapab kalifye dan bann Scheme ki nou pe met, met an plas.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi SS.

Minister?

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mersi Onorab.

SS in donn en bon klarifikasyon, me selman les mon anmenn ou en pti pe sa voyaz an aryer.

Ou pe koz lo figures annou get 2018 ti R71milyon.

2019 - R54milyon, 2020 - R123milyon, 2021 - R21milyon.
Zis an Out 2020 Bidze ti ariv R14.8milyon more than 5mil800 ki ti ganny benefis.

Eski sa ki nou oule pou Sesel?

I don’t think so, right?

Nou, nou pe travay pou empower dimoun pou pa vin dependent lo welfare system when they can wake up and go to work.
Nou’n dir bomaten 2020 nou pa ankor ganny - depi 2020 nou pa ankor ganny nou latest statistik on unemployment e mon asire ler nou, nou pou ganny statistik, i pou montre ki kantite dimoun in tann nou lapel e zot pe leve, zot pe debourye e zot pe fer betterment pou zot fanmir.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 E zot pe fer zot fanmir fyer avek sa lafyerte travay.
So coming back to sa bann figures letan nou dir, i preski pe tonm menm parey normal, zis akoz in tonm dan eventualities ek bann sityasyon ki pe arive and uncertainties, right?

So nou’n push li up.

The budget is there.

Nou, nou pa kapab fors dimoun pou vin devan pou vin apply.

So they follow the procedures and they apply si zot merite zot pou ganny approval.

Me si letan in fer verifikasyon in fer tou keksoz, zot pa qualify they don’t qualify, so annou aret zwe politik ek sa bann keksoz.

Bidze i la.
Bidze i la.

Bidze i la, dimoun have to come forward and apply.

Nou prosedir i kler nou.

Zot ki evantyelman anmenn sa bann case individual la dan Lasanble.

Mwan, mon dir en dimoun si oule poste son let poste dan bwat postal, pa poste la.

Akoz then nou ava konnen egzakteman parey Mr Chairman in dir, lekel sa dimoun ki sa konplent e we follow it through.

Sak fwa mon vin Lasanble, ou tann dimoun in mesaz mwan, dimoun in - be sa bann dimoun vin devan vin kot nou, nou konnen we follow you through.
MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Minister.

I annan 1 pwen ki pankor klarifye tou in kouver.

Onorab?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Premyerman mon le zis klarifye avek SS.

791 dimoun dan private section ki’n vin rod lasistans, sa ki nou’n tande se ki dimoun pe dir prosedir ki pe dekouraz zot.

Prezan mon le vin lo 1 pwen, petet mon ava adres Minis, look mwan ou kapab mont lo ou seval.

Dir sa ki ou anvi mon … MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Non, non, non Onorab!

Onorab non, non, non!


Tou dimoun ki la anndan nou bezwen egzers lakourtwazi, parske akoz, nou pa pe koz zis pou nou la anndan lemonn antye pe ekout nou.

E sertennman i pa sa kalite latitid ki nou anvi.

Nou kapab agree to disagree, but we do so dan en langaz ki akseptab pou tou dimoun, partikilyerman lazenes Seselwa.

Proceed.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mon ava rephrase - mon pa ava servi mont lo ou seval.

Look oule kourtwazi donn kourtwazi a nou tou!


Ou pa kapab ankoler sak [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 fwa nou raise en issue ki konsern ou Minister, e pran li personnel as if nou pe koz personnelman lo ou.

Ou pe donn nou en bann figures ki pa korek.

La mwan, mon annan forecast pou 2020 mon annan budget 2020 ti 44 revised upwards 77milyon par 33.

And then akoz Covid, akoz Covid ti increase.

Ok?

Ou pa kapab pran sityasyon Covid pou dir nou.


So kestyon ki ou devret pe reponn, ozordi ou’n ganny ou en Bidze 30ekek milyon ou’n depans ou 8.2milyon.

Ou pe rann almost 30milyon - dan sa 30milyon ki ou pe rann, pa zis mwan, ou bann prop MNA ki pe bat lanmen enn laba Perseverance fek pe konplent case i tarde, case i isi, case i laba.

Selman at the same time ou pe dir nou ki pe anmenn sa bann pwen dan Lasanble.
So kestyon ki nou annan pou ou se, eski Bidze i vin en book entry kot nou dir nou pe met larzan pou ed dimoun?

Oubyen se Minister Finans ek tou son bann eksper ki mal, ki pe dir poudir bann endikater sosyoekonomik alors i bezwen met en pe plis larzan dan Bidze.

Oubyen se ou ki byen ki pe dir dimoun ki devret isi pli laba, pli laba?

We have to know, akoz si nou pe donn ou Bidze pou depanse;- Bidze pe depanse e ou pa kapab e still i annan konplent.

So where is the problem?


Si problenm pa avek prosedir, problenm pa avek dimoun, then problenm has to be somewhere.

Pou le moman, pou le moman prezan ou Gouvernman i o pouvwar it’s not about ou Gouvernman, this is about nou Lasanble nou pe vot en Bidze pou en social safety net.

So si nou pe retourn sa kantite larzan, we need to know why, nou pe retourn sa kantite larzan?

E whether dimoun ki sipoze ganny asiste pe ganny asiste.
And then Mr Chairman avan mon terminen, mon krwar i annan 1 pwen mon’n bliye e dan pe focus zis lo welfare, mon’n bliye focus lo sa bann dimoun.

Ou kapab deside pou pa allow sa pwen, me selman mon pou bezwen fer li, e sa i konsern retirement benefits, ok?
An relasyon avek retirement benefits, nou’n tann bokou konsern eksprimen par serten dimoun - serten bann dimoun lo retirement benefits, an relasyon avek sa bann ki pe ganny en pansyon, plus en sekirite sosyal, zot pe dir ek ou menm ler zot pou azout ansanm pa zot tou premyerman ki zot pe benefisye avek sa R500.

E dezyenmman, serten ki sipoze benefisye ek sa R500 i annan en problenm dan sistenm, kot zot pa pe kapab ganny sa R500 akoz en sistenm e sityasyon prosesis banker.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 So eski ou kapab klarifye en pti pwen pou mwan otour retirement benefits.

Eski Gouvernman oubyen Minister Finans, in konmans fer okenn diskisyon, lo pou ogmant pansyon retret, atraver ki nou donnen atraver - sa atraver ASP - atraver sekirite sosyal lapey sekirite sosyal, ki ozordi mon krwar i 5mil ekek.

Eski Gouvernman in fer okenn diskisyon pou ogmant sa pansyon retret?
E si zot in fer li par konbyen ki Gouvernman pe deside ogmant li eski i pe al anver R7mil oubyen plis?

Akoz si mon swiv largiman SS Payet e mon servi poursantaz logmantasyon ki ou pe donnen dan social safety net, e mon apply logmantasyon menm poursantaz lo sak retrete, it comes to around R7mil ler nou pe regard sa logmantasyon ki ou pe mete.

So eski ou kapab klarifye sa pou mwan?

Mersi Mr Chairman e mon demann leskiz bann zanfan ki’n tann mon dir Minis mont lo son seval.
Me parfwa i enportan respect given is also respect earned.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Avan ki panel i reponn e la mon pe koz konman en koleg Lasanble - nou bann Manm Lasanble nou bezwen konpran, aksepte e respekte poudir tou bann antite i annan bann prosedir ki i met an plas.

Setadir si ASP i met bann prosedir i kalifye son dimoun, sa dimoun i bezwen dir nou sa Manm Elekte dan distrik poudir ek sa dimoun ou bezwen fer sa, fer sa e obeir sa ki ASP in demann ou.
Ou pa kapab pa fer apre fors ASP zis donn larzan right, left and center.

Mwan konman en Manm Elekte ki vot lo zot Bidze I will never accept this!

Mon oule ki zot swiv prosedir e mon oule ki dimoun an deor dan distrik Mont Buxton i swiv prosedir.

Panel proceed with the answer, apre nou ava retourn lo ou si fodre.

Non akoz Lasanble i bezwen en ledikasyon pou piblik nou bezwen fer nou dimoun respekte prosedir.
(Off-Mic) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Onorab ou’n fini fer ou entervansyon mon pe envit panel aprezan pou reponn ou klarifikasyon.

Mersi.

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair parey lanons Bidze in ganny fer, ozordi en pansyoner retirement benefit through ASP social security, i pe [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 ganny li R7mil 750 apre i pe ganny li sa lasistans avek bann ki below sa threshold R9mil, i pe ganny sa lasistans R500.
E sa parey nou’n mansyonnen dan Bidze, sa i pou kontinyen ziska lafen Mars.

E tou bann dimoun ki’n deza kalifye ozordi otomatikman nou pou amann regilasyon, ki zot pou kontinyen ganny sa R500.

Me parey zot konnen, i annan bann dimoun osi ki pe ganny minimonm ki pe ganny pansyon avek Fon Pansyon e the minimum pension ki bann dimoun ki kalifye ki ganny pansyon i R3mil.

So sanmenm sa ki nou letan nou’n regarde ki nou’n met sa baz R9mil.
Me however Mr Chair, i annan en travay zeneral nou pe fer ki sa Komite ki nou pe travay avek Labank Mondyal, ki nou pe evalye bann lezot senaryo.

E sa travay pe kontinyen lannen 2023, avanler kekfwa Gouvernman i pronons lo sa reform ki nou pe fer.

So i en travay kontinyel ki nou pe fer, me parey mon’n dir sa R500 li i pou kontinyen ziskan lafen Mars.

E otomatikman bann dimoun ki’n kalifye bann pansyoner ki’n kalifye, otomatikman sa pou ganny entegre dan zot retirement benefit.

Mersi Mr Chair.
Mersi Mr Chair.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi SS.

I annan dimoun lo panel pe azout kek keksoz avek.

Non.

Pwen klarifikasyon nou ava proceed pou nou terminen.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi bokou.

Mon bezwen ganny en pwen klarifikasyon la, en ok. Dan son ladres devan Lasanble Prezidan Larepiblik ti dir ki sa emergency temporary assistance pou kontinyen, ok?

La SS pe dir nou ki sa ki anliny avek Minis Finans i pou arete an Mars.

So nou’n ganny 2 diferan stetment.


Nou’n ganny 2 diferan stetment;- enn fer par Prezidan dan Lasanble enn fer par Minister Finans.

So mon ti a kontan nou konfirmen, eski apre Mars en retrete ki lo en retirement benefit R5mil 750 eski sa R500 pou kontinyen ganny azoute avek son larzan indefinitely ziska ler i mor?

Nou kapab zis eklersi sa?

E apre zot pou travay lo sa logmantasyon ki zot in dir World Bank pou travay lo la or eski i pa pou gannyen?
Prezan pou bann ki atraver zot pansyon ki zot pe gannyen avek Pension Fund, an menm tan ki zot pansyon retrete ki nou gannyen ki zot Gouvernman i donn zot anba sekirite sosyal, ki ou dir mwan i pa tonm R9mil, eski ou’n konsidere pou ou fer en keksoz lo la?

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Akoz baze lo plan analiz Minister Finans, ou’n fer en logmantasyon apepre 50poursan dan ou social safety net.
So mon ti pou espekte ou pou fer logmantasyon apepre 50poursan pou match an relasyon avek ou retirement benefit.

Otherwise then ou pe envit bann dimoun en retirement benefit, pou vin rod larzan anba social safety net.

Sa ki mon pe, mon pe sey klarifye.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

SS i le klarifye sa bann matematik.

SS PATRICK PAYET Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair kekfwa mon a fer sir ki i kler, i pa konfiz okenn endividi.
Parey mon’n mansyonnen ki sa R500 i kontinyen ziska Mars, sa bann dimoun, sa bann endividi ki pe ganny sa R500 financial assistance, sa i pou entegre dan sa retirement pension kontinyelman.

Savedir sa pou entegre.

Nou pou fer sir ki letan lamannman regilasyon sa pou entegre.

Sa benefis ki zot pe gannyen ozordi ki ti en lasistans tanporer i pou vin permanan, me selman zis sa bann dimoun ki’n kalifye, ok?
Dezyenm konponan Mr Chair, zis pou azoute ki bann dimoun ki ganny en pansyon avek Fon Pansyon, parey zot konnen tou endividi ki ganny en logmantasyon baze lo to lenflasyon.

So i annan en cap increase - i annan en, en percentage increase ki cap apre Lalwa.

Me selman tou le lannen tou sa bann endividi, i ganny en increase - bann dimoun ki pe benefisye avek Fon Pansyon, me osi sa i cap avek en maksimonm R75mil.
So bann endividi ki’n deza sot sa R75mil zot, zot pa war sa logmantasyon dan zot pansyon kot Fon Pansyon.

E secondly kekfwa Mr Chair pou azoute ki kekfwa letan zot regard sa increase lo social safety net, ou pa pou war li kekfwa menm poursantaz avek retirement benefits, akoz social safety net nou pe koz sirtou bann dimoun ki pe travay, me selman ki bezwen en further lasistans.

So i pa parey en dimoun kekfwa li i pe ganny bann lezot benefis.
So par egzanp nou tou nou okouran ki kantite travayer Seselwa, i almost annan 40mil.

So definitivman letan pou regard logmantasyon, i pou i pa pou parey en retirement benefit letan nou pe fer forecast Bidze, konpare avek en social safety net.

Mersi Mr Chair.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi SS.

Nou pou pas laparol avek prosen entervenan.

Onorab Romain.

HON GEORGES ROMAIN Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonn apre midi Mr Chair.


Minis bonn apre midi avek ou delegasyon.

Pou konmanse mon ti a kontan remersi Ms Morin ek Madanm Souris pou zot sipor ki zot in donn mwan dan Anse Etoile pou mon kapab deservi mon zabitan.

E mon kestyon lo Bidze si mon al lo zot current challenges, mon war ki zot in fer resorti ki popilasyon pa ase okouran, lo bann diferan benefis ki ASP i ofer.
Alors mon kestyon - akoz sa osi pou ed nou konman MNAs dan distrik - akoz bokou dimoun ler i vin kot nou kekfwa ennler si zot ti ganny sa lenformasyon davans i ti pou kapab ed zot pli byen.

Kwa ki vreman ASP pe fer pou kapab rektifye sa bann problenm dan 2023?

Apre mon ti annan en lot mon kapab dir kestyon en pti leklersisman kekfwa fer nou eksplik nou lo la.
Mon annan en sityasyon ki parey mon annan en dimoun, ki pa war kler in ne pa war kler, e definitivman i ganny lasistans atraver ASP par egzanp son pas bis ;- i pa bezwen ganny bis pou nanryen.

E sa selman i pe ganny renouvle tou le 3mwan.

Me i pe santi sa i en problenm akoz i realize i pa pou zanmen war kler i ne koumsa.

So mon pe regarde si sa sityasyon pa pe kapab ganny rektifye, ki sa i vin permanan ki pa bezwen war li tou lazournen pe renouvle sa, sa bus pass?

Mersi Mr Chair.
Mersi Mr Chair.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Minister.

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mersi Onorab.

Onorab wi zisteman sa pti evalyasyon ki ou’n fer about raising awareness e sensitisation, nou kritik nou lekor nou internally letan nou konnen poudir keksoz pa pe marse.

So we sit down round the table avek Management team avek en Board osi, e nou regarde kwa ki pe mars mal oubyen kwa ki kapab vin pli byen.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 E nou’n realize poudir nou bezwen fer en kantite awareness e sensitisation, lo bann statutory benefits, espesyalman ki bann dimoun i konnen, what are their rights e ki bann benefits ki annan.

E letan dimoun i konnen savedir i pli o fe e si sa i part of the campaign of this Government pou empower dimoun e fer dimoun much more educated in the sense of knowing their rights.
E knowing their rights in benefits is justified alor nou bezwen fer sa.

So nou kanpanny se pou annan bokou plis adverts.

Lo televizyon nou’n fer en kantite laparans lo televizyon this year.

E nou pe mazinen poudir nou pou increase sa next year e nou travay vreman byen avek SBC pou fer sa.

I annan bann spots nou oule fer.

Nou oule fer series actually of lenformasyon.

You know parey en mon, mon’n dir parey en ekivalan kwen legal ou konnen.
So ki sa progranm ki nou konnen i en sikse ki ou ganny en series of awareness sessions.

Apre osi letan mon ti pe dir nou ti al dan distrik Praslin avek La Digue pou al fer sensitisation nou al Minister antye parey mon ti dir bomaten.

Sosyal i ale ASP, i ale Lanplwa i ale.

Savedir letan nou la tou dimoun i kapab vini for any questions that they want to know, zot vin demande pou leaflets - en kantite.

Nou’n reprint tou nou bann leaflets ki fodre an Kreol.
So tou dimoun i kapab ganny akse Semenn Kreol ki nou fek pas ladan, ti annan en, en stall zot ti donn mon Minister an antye Sosyal, Lanplwa avek ASP, nou’n fer sir nou’n remet tou nou bann lenformasyon an Kreol so dimoun i kapab access.

So sa i en travay ki nou konnen nou ti nou, nou’n fer me selman nou kapab fer pli byen.

So this is to come.

Mersi.

Mon a pas avek Madanm Souris pou koz lo dezyenm bout.

Mersi Onorab.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Sertennman.


PRINCIPAL BENEFIT WELFARE OFFICER MARIE-FRANCE SOURIS Mersi Onorab.

Bann dimoun disable zot kalifye zot pou ganny en bus pass avek kot Disabled Council zot al laba, e zot anmenn zot bann dokiman pou zot kapab gannyen.

Annefe pa tou ki kalifye, akoz i annan dimoun ki kapab dan lanplwa zot pa ale zot menm pou al rod sa bus pass, me selman zot kapab kalifye pou gannyen.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.
Ou annan kalifikasyon?

Vitman.

HON GEORGES ROMAIN Mersi Mr Chair.

Minis mersi.

Madanm Souris mersi pou ou larepons.

Me selman mon kestyon vreman ki mon ti pe demande mon’n ganny dir kekfwa i tonm kot Minis Lafanmir, me selman sa ki mon ti pe demande sa bus pass, akoz dapre konpran ou bezwen renew every 3 months.

So si mon ti pe regarde si kapab permanent definitely akoz sa dimoun i ... Mersi Mr Chair.
MR DEPUTY SPEAKER So bus pass lekel ki renew ASP ouswa - PRINCIPAL BENEFIT WELFARE OFFICER MARIE-FRANCE SOURIS Usually i renew tou le 2an i pa donnen pou 3 months.

I parey retirement zot ganny zot pass pou 1an, zot renouvle apre.

Tou an se moman i pa kot ASP i kot Family Affairs, petet laba ki kapab klarifye pou sa ki kantite letan pe pran.

Petet i en nouvo prosedir ki zot, zot in met an plas.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ok mersi Madanm Souris.

Minister?
Minister?

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Very quickly Mr Chair, mon konpran egzakteman ki Onorab pe dir.

En dimoun i blind, en dimoun in blind sa ki ou pe dir pa bezwen ki i kontinyelman - mon a pran sa lenformasyon mon ava diskit avek mon koleg Minister.

Thank you, mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi pou sa Minister.

Onorab Lemiel.

HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL Mersi Mr Chair.

Mon ti a kontan remersi Onorab Esparon pou ateste ki mon’n lev mon lanmen e mersi Mr Chair pou konsidere.
Bon apre midi ankor enn fwa Minis avek ou delegasyon ASP.

Bon i annan 3 logmantasyon ki mon war invalidity benefit, disability benefit, supplementary benefit.

Supplementary mon krwar ki sanmenm sa ki bann dimoun ki’n ariv ka dife, petet ki ganny asiste anba la.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Petet ti a bon nou ganny en pti lenformasyon petet akoz sa increase, eski zot pe mazin pou reviz sonm ki zot pe donnen aktyelman?
SS in koz lo kou lavi, zot in revwar lakantite lasistans or sa in dir anba sa social safety net vot ki’n monte par R20milyon.

So mwan, mon konsern la i lo semi orphans benefit or foster care.

Semi orphans mon war i mont en pti gin petet mon pe mazinen li sa logmantasyon li i dan menm laliny ki mon supplementary petet akoz?

Me foster care - foster care osi nou pe mazinen poudir kou lavi in monte ozordi.
E sa bann paran ki pe foster sa bann zanfan petet zot osi zot pe war zot, zot pa pe kapab soutenir or tenir if I’m not mistaken i R1300 si mon pa tronpe.

So eski dan sa laliny li in desann li son Bidze, so mon pe mazinen li petet enn akoz in desann?

E eski zot pe mazin a lavenir dan zot bann diskisyon revwar pri lavi, revwar tou kou ki annan avek zot pe mazinen osi?

Aranz en pti pe sa lasistans foster care please?

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Minister.


MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi.

Mon a pas lo sa dernyen bout Onorab.

Mersi pou ou kestyon.

Akoz mon osi mon fer en gran konversasyon a few weeks, ziska yer mon pe koz lo la.

Mon krwar ler mon ti get sa figure mon dir zot konbyen letan sa, sa figure i la.

E mon ti kontan bann dimoun Finans osi ti dan lasal letan mon ti pe diskite ki zot in tande sa lapel.

Wi i pa realistik ditou sa figure, e definitely nou pou bezwen regard en review on it.
It’s been there for many, many years I understand.

E pri lavi in sanze e sa larzan i for the child letan nou pe regarde, en fiy son bezwen mon krwar i R1500 keksoz si mon R1540 wi i bokou i pa ase.

And then also nou ti pe koz lo bann foster parents themselves, pou ou antre dan sa laliny pou ou become a foster parent ki zot gannyen - konpran?

So petet nou en diskisyon ki nou bezwen fer avek finance internally, me nou I’m so happy ki ou lo menm page avek nou.

Mersi.
Mersi.

So mon krwar Chiara pou pran dezyenm bout, mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Minister.

Please proceed.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 FINANCIAL CONTROLLER CHIARA CULTRERI Ok mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Sa logmantasyon anba supplementary i akoz ASP pe pey en monthly grant to Ste Elizabeth of 70k sa lannen.
Me selman zot ti fer en request poudir i pa tro ase pou zot, akoz zot pe cater pou plis zanfan so zot in fer a request to increase to 156thousand Rupees tou le mwan.

So nou’n met dan Bidze pou sa increase.

As for semi orphan, after the campaign ki Miss Seychelles ti fer lo semi orphan nou’n war poudir plis paran pe vin devan, wi pe vin devan so that’s why i annan increase.

Thank you.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Proceed Onorab ou annan en klarifikasyon?

HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi pou zot larepons.


Petet zis akoz nou fek sorti vizit Ste Elizabeth Sanmdi, e petet nou pa ti vreman - Komite mon pe koz Woman’s Caucus la en - petet mon pa konnen si nou’n ganny serten lenformasyon lasistans ki zot ti gannyen.

E petet sa lasistans i al ver towards kwa?

Konmsi in ogmante pou vin R157mil par mwan i al towards kwa sa lasistans?

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

Minister.

MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Onorab.

I son bann running costs sa.


E for the longest time i ti R70mil ki again nou ti zwenn ek Levek Katolik, avek son clergy e noui ti dir non, that is not enough, the fact ki numbers kot Fwaye pe increase.

So, zot bann upkeeping e zot bann needs ki zot bezwen, of course in addition konnen fwayer i ganny bokou donasyon avek par egzanp STC lot, lot, ki ede.

Me selman ler ou annan sa kantite pti latet kot Fwaye zot consume a lot, so mon apresye ki Finans ti konpran nou lapel e zot in agree pou nou fer sa monte.
Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Minister.

Nou pou aprezan pas laparol avek dernyen entervenan lo sa heading.

Onorab Georges?

HON BERNARD GEORGES [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonn apre midi Minis, CEO e panel.

Mr Chair i toultan enteresan lo nou kote pou nou koz lo sa Minister ek sirtou sa portfey Proteksyon Sosyal.
E mon dir sa akoz filozofi politik parti lo nou kote latab se pou demann avek dimoun pou sorti lo sa kiltir depandans ki zot ti ladan avan, e debout lo zot, lo zot prop lipye.

E otan ki posib fer parey Minis in dir al travay anmenn en serten satisfaksyon e en bon saler kot lakaz.

Me en keksoz ki pa toultan ki nou realize, se ki nou Gouvernman osi i annan en leker pou bann dimoun ki pa kapab fer sa keksoz e ki bezwen en lasistans.
E mon fyer ki dan sa Bidze i annan larzan ki’n ganny met dekote e lo progranm ki nou pou war Vandredi Approved Programs of ASP, pou bann benefis i annan R1.2bilyon ki’n ganny met dekote pou ed sa bann dimoun.

Alor si i annan en persepsyon deor laba ki sa bann zafer proteksyon i zis bann Gouvernman avan ki ti donnen e pa sa enn, se en fo persepsyon.

E mon krwar dimoun i bezwen konpran ki nou Gouvernman osi, in met bokou larzan dekote pou ed bann nou bann sitwayen ki pa kapab ed zot lekor.
Kot nou diferan Mr Speaker e la ou ava permet mon Mr Chair, ou ava permet mwan 2 parol pou mwan kekfwa repet en pe sa ki’n ganny dir - kot i diferan e nou’n tann sa la apre midi, se ki nou, nou pa zis donn larzan akoz i dan vot se pa sa prensip.

Akoz i annan 40milyon nou pa kapab donn zis 8 e gard 32, fodre nou donn tou le 40, ki dimoun i vin devan ou non, ki dimoun i vin bezwen ou non, akoz sa in ganny vote fodre nou donnen.

Se la kot nou, nou annan en responsabilite fiskal ek monneter bokou plis ki zot.
E mon krwar sa osi dimoun i bezwen konpran dan sa loptik mon ti a kontan alor Mr Speaker, lo nou kote latab felisit Gouvernman - Minister Finans an partikilye - e Minis ek son tim ki’n lager pou sa Bidze, felisit zot pou ki zot in met sa larzan dekote.

Felisit CEO avek ou tim kot Lazans, ki ou pe fer sir ki sak roupi i ganny depanse i en roupi ki merit ganny depanse ki pa pe zis ganny wasted, oubyen donn avek dimoun, zis akoz i dan en lanvlop e nou bezwen donn bann dimoun.
E mon krwar se sa kote nou pe ale.

Mon demann avek zot apre midi e mon konpran bokou nou bann Manm lo tou le de latab in eksprimen ki malgre tousala, i annan still serten challenge.

Nou tou dan nou distrik nou annan challenge sosyal e nou konnen ki dan plizyer ka ki pa devret arive, malgre ki bokou [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 dimoun pe demann larzan zot menm zot, zot pa donn tou bann lenformasyon ki zot pe rode.
Me still i annan serten dimoun ki pa pe gannyen malgre, ki zot pe zot merite e malgre ki zot, zot pe esper en pe letan.

Eski nou kapab ganny zot, zot parol apre midi ki zot ava kontinyen improve lo service delivery, pou ki sa bann konplent ki nou’n tande i ava ganny redwir e a serten moman i ava disparet konpletman, pou ki larzan i ava ganny donnen kot i merite.

Me larzan pa pou ganny donnen an bonavini parey avan.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Panel?

Minister?


MINISTER PATRICIA FRANCOURT Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab pou ou bann mo ankourazan.

Ou’n reiterate vreman byen nou mandate ki mannyer nou travay, e vizyon Gouvernman anver tou dimoun dan pei which is empowering people to stand on their own 2 feet byen depandan travay e kot zot fall short Lazans i la pou ed zot e siport zot.
So nou reiterate sa vreman byen e parey nou’n dir all day letan nou pe diskit ASP, nou konpran nou bann challenges; nou rekonnet nou bann challenges i toultan bon letan nou asize nou rekonnet.

Si ou rekonnet i most likely pou ou al fer keksoz about it.
E mon konnen mon hopeful avek sa Bidze ki’n gannyen pou nou annan nou sistenm an plas next year, avek sa konsiltan ki nou with through bidding ki nou pou gannyen, i pou sanz the whole way ASP i travay in terms of service delivery, in terms of fer sir poudir plis tou sa ki nou’n mete konman SOPs i materialize dan en fason pli efektiv.

Sa mon konnen poudir pou annan en gran diferans.

E we’ve been fighting about for it the whole year e Finans in tann nou lapel e zot in konpran nou mesaz osi.
So mon mesaz pou bann dimoun out there, sa Bidze i la pou ganny servi e ganny servi letan dimoun i annan bezwen.

Nou pa kit personn deryer.

E parey Onorab in dir Bidze i la ou access dan Bidze, nou fer li dan en fason fair, dan en fason transparan e dan en fason ki sa dimoun i konnen, mon’n go through th system.

Parkont osi nou ganny en kantite dimoun ki aksepte letan nou go through the process.

I annan ki parey mon dir, i annan sa process of appeal they go through, zot akspete.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 E nou la nou konman en Lazans tou nou staff pou servi piblik the very best that we can e mon ankouraz dimoun if you feel you need it letan ou pe sey debourye, ou war ou pa pe kapab put one and one, please come forward e bann prosedir i prosedir ki met keksoz bokou annord.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Minister.


Sa i - non pa pou kapab donn zot parske nou an retar par 1erdtan, so nou pou bezwen satisfer nou lekor poudir nou menm nou mannyer nou zer nou letan, mannyer nou get nou kestyon, nou met nou lekor dan gran difikilte.

E depi yer mon pe dir poudir la moman osi kot bann Caucus i bezwen planifye lekel ki demann kestyon, ki kalite kestyon pou demande pou kapab manage letan byen.

So aprezan nou ava pas lo vot pou heading ki nou ti pe demann kestyon lo la.
I annan 2 zot a rapel.

Dabor i annan pou Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal ki trouve lo paz 511 a 516 pou en sonm R27milyon 487mil.

Donk nou ava demann tou bann Manm ki an faver pou endike silvouple?

Mersi.

Vot for Agency for Social Protection pou en sonm R27milyon 487mil i annan 28 Manm ki’n vot an faver, napa Manm ki’n vot kont e okenn Manm pa’n abstenir, donk sa vot in pase.
Aprezan nou pou pas lo lot vot ki pou Benefits and Approved Programs of ASP e li i lo paz pti 40 ki lo summary of expenditure estimates e son sonm i R1bilyon 202milyon 876mil.

Nou ava demann tou Manm ki an faver pou endike silvouple?

Mersi.

Okenn Manm ki kont.

Mersi.

Vot pou Benefits and Approved Programs of ASP pou lavaler R1bilyon 202milyon 876mil, i annan 28 Manm ki’n vot an faver, okenn Manm pa’n vot kont e okenn Manm pa’n abstenir, donk sa vot i pase par linanimite.
SOCIAL WORKERS COUNCIL MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Nou pou aprezan pran en vot lo en antite ki pa’n vin devan nou sa i Social Workers Council zot Bidze i trouve lo 517 a 519 zot annan en Bidze R736mil.

Nou ava demann tou Manm ki an faver pou endike silvouple?

Mersi.

Okenn Manm ki kont?

Mersi.

Vot pou Social Workers Council pou en sonm R736mil i annan 28 Manm ki’n vot an faver, okenn Manm pa’n vot kont e okenn Manm pa’n abstenir; trwazyenm vot pou la apre midi, in pase.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Bon alor nou ava remersi panel ki’n la avek nou pou apre midi sorti kot Minister Lanplwa e Zafer Sosyal, ki ti pe dirize par Minis pou Lanplwa e Zafer Sosyal Madanm Patricia Francourt.

Nou ti osi annan Sef Egzekitif Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal Manmzel Brenda Morin avek nou.

Manmzel Chiara Cultreri ki financial controller kot ASP.

Manmzel Marie-France Souris ki Principal Benefit Welfare Officer.
E nou ti osi annan avek nou Sekreter D’Eta kot Minister Finans Mr Patrick Payet avek Manmzel Terryll Adrienne ki finance analyst.

Nou ava eskiz bann ki pou kit nou, nou ava pran en poz sanitizing pou nou kapab apel lot delegasyon.

Mersi e bon kontinyasyon.

(technical break) ANTI-CORRUPTION COMMISSION MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Bon nou ava aprezan retourn an plas e nou ava swet labyenveni delegasyon sorti kot Anti-Koripsyon ki fek zwenn nou.
E nou ava dir labyenveni Komisyoner Ms May De Silva, ki akonpannyen par Ms Claudia Mathiot ki son finance officer.

E le de zofisye sorti kot Minister Finans i reste avek nou;- sa se Mr Patrick Payet ki Sekreter Deta dan Minister e Ms Teryll Adrienne ki finance analyst.

Byenveni zot tou.

Nou pou pran Bidze pou Anti-Corruption Commission ki trouve lo paz 135 ziska 137 pou en sonm R53milyon 263mil.

Nou pou envit Ms De Sylva pou fer lentrodiksyon.


Mon pou dir ek bann Manm ankor nou an retar avek letan alor nou be mindful of this.

E apre mon konsyan mwan poudir ACCS i kapab en heading ki en pe kontansye, donk bann kestyon ki nou demande i merit lo Bidze, me tout an rekonesan nou Standing Orders, Order 36 - partikilyerman d, g, h, i, k, akoz sertennman sa ki mon pa anvi antre dan okenn polemik la apre midi.

Madanm De Sylva, laparol pou ou apre midi.

Mersi.


COMMISSIONER ANTI-CORRUPTION MAY DE SILVA Bonn apre midi Mr Speaker, Leader Lopozisyon, Leader Zafer Gouvernman, tou bann Onorab ek tou dimoun a lekout.

Sa lannen pou Lazournen Enternasyonal Anti-Koripsyon, Nasyon-z-Ini in swazir koman son tenm – Uniting the World Against [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Corruption;- Ini Lemonn kont Koripsyon.

Sa lalit i pou nou tou e i pa zis pou ACCS.


Lannen pase, ler en Manm Onorab ti demann mwan si mon Bidze ti ase, mon ti dir ki mon ti bezwen 7 fwa plis ki mon ti demande; savedir ozordi mon devret pe demann R129.6milyon pou ACCS.

Koman en nouvo lenstitisyon, nou pe delivre avek lasistans Lapolis e nou bann partner lokal.

Nou osi pe fer nou travay avek lasistans nou bann partner enternasyonal.
Sa i pou kontinyen pou ankor detrwa lannen, ziska Sesel i kapab prodwi plis travayer profesyonnel dan bann kad swivan; Spesyalis dan krim forensic accounting, analis finansyel, resers legal, prosekiter dan kad blansisaz larzan ek koripsyon.

E sa i en gro problenm nasyonal.

finansyel ek ekonomik, Digital forensics: Gouvernman Britanik pe train 3 3 nou bann travayer pou le moman;- cybercrime, compliance, lasezisman byen malaki.
Alor, mon pe fer en lapel avek Gouvernman, Minister Lanplwa, Minister Ledikasyon, Lakademi Lapolis, ek Liniversite Sesel.

Dan kad legal, nou pou bezwen reviz Lalwa Anti-Koripsyon, Kod Penal, AML/ CFT, Whistleblower Act, Unexplained Wealth Act avek Witness Protection, Act.

Sa enn dernyen mon krwar mon fer sa lapel tou le lannen - depi 2017 mon pe dir.

Staffing i kontinyelman en gran problenm.

Lannen pase zis pou donn zot en legzanp, nou ti annan 34 staff lafen Desanm.

Ladan i annan 12 envestigater.


Pou en larestasyon an Novanm 2021, nou ti annan lasistans 36 zofisye Lapolis, 8 spesyalis etranze, 7 spesyalis sekirite.

An tou en tim 51 staff an deor pou siport nou 12 zofisye.

An plis ki sa Mars sa lannen, nou ti ganny lasistans nou bann partner lokal, pou asiste dan en nouvo fason travay.

Evidential Review Team: sa ti Internal Audit Division dan Minister Finans, SRC, FSA, FIU, Labank Santral ek FCIU.
Nou annan 3 lokazyon pou nou travay;- nou Command Centre, nou Unit Konplent, apre nou travay Operasyonnel.

Nou pe ganny lasistans nou bann partner enternasyonal, Linyon Eropeen avek detrwa son bann Manm; La Suisse, Foreign Commonwealth and Development Office – FCBO, UK, National Crime Agency - UK, Commonwealth Secretariat.

Lanmerik i enkli zot Departman Lazistis, Homeland Security avek FBI.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Lostrali Australian Federal Police, New Zealand avek Sengapour.

Nou komans travay pou retourn bann byen malaki par egzanp shares lavaler $4milyon, R5milyon ki nou’n sezi konsernan en breach nou Lalwa, e nou osi pe kontinyen fer lenvestigasyon lo en ka, kot sa sonm pe monte e in ariv 120milyon Dolar.
La lapar ACCS, mon demann zot pasyans ek lankourazman pou tou nou bann zenn profesyonnel Seselwa ki travay avek nou, ki pe fer zot mye dan en travay ki byen konpleks e ki pa fasil.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Madanm De Sylva.

Donk lasal prezan i ouver pou kestyon.

E mon ava envit Onorab Aglae premye, e dir avek tou Manm, pa bliy konsey ou direksyon ki mon’n donnen.

Mersi.

HON EGBERT AGLAE Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonn apre midi Madanm De Silva avek ou panel.


Premye kestyon lo Bidze li menm li, sa lannen menm ti annan en Bidze siplemanter ki ti vin devan Lasanble pou omwen R63milyon, ki ti ganny demande pou ACCS e 2023 i annan ankor 53milyon ki pe forecast pou ACCS.

Baze ladan mon ti a kontan petet demann ou, vi ki lannen pa ankor fini, san petet ou pou bezwen al dan bann detay sitan signifikan, si ou’n kapab fini servi sa larzan ki ou’n demande, pou sa lannen?

Sa i enn.
Sa i enn.

Dezyenmman, kot i konsern bann envestigater ki ou’n nonmen i annan 12, mon ti a kontan petet konpran en pti gin, sirtou an term zot saler ki zot pe travay, eski zot pe bann full time employees parey Lalwa ti pe demande e ti annan bann mansyon?

E ler Prezidan ti anonse ti pou annan omwen 6, la i annan 12 ou’n nonmen.

Zis klarifye sa pou nou en pti gin.


E osi ou’n fer mansyon ki i annan bann dimoun ki komisyonnen pou travay - sirtou ek bann Lazans - pou travay an sipor avek bann travay anti-koripsyon.

Par egzanp bann Lapolis ou’n nonmen la, eski i annan en special package ki’n ganny work out avek sa bann antite pou travay?

E osi an rezon sekirite osi ki kapab atase ek sa travay, pou ki zot kapab petet dan en fason ganny byen renimere, avek en travay en pe pli konpleks ki zot pe fer?
Ouswa, eski zis zot pe reste parey en zofisye Lapolis e i ankor pe ganny sa ki i ti gannyen letan i ti ankor dan Lapolis?

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Mersi Onorab.

Panel?

COMMISSIONER ANTI-CORRUPTION MAY DE SILVA Wi, sa larzan ki nou ti bezwen, annefe i ti pou sa bann sipor, pou sa bann set up cost, ki’n asosye avek en lenvestigasyon.

E nou’n bezwen parey mon’n dir, en nouvo Command Centre.

I annan bann lezot kou ki asosye avek.


Nou annan en special forensics lab, ki bann kou i monte lo la.

E sa 12 lenvestigasyon ki mon‘n mansyonnen i 12 nou lenvestigater dan ACCS.

Zot ganny en bon package.

E mon krwar poudir zot package ki zot gannyen i plis ki bann Lapolis.

E sa i en keksoz ki nou kontinyelman regarde.


E nou ekspekte poudir ler Minis Finans i fini son bann evalyasyon, pou Scheme of Service, sa osi nou ti pe travay lo la, be la nou’n met on hold ziskan ler nou ganny plis advice avek Minister Finans avek PSB.

So pou nou, nou toultan konsyan ki travayer i travay dan en travay byen konpleks, so … E mon krwar poudir zot reminerasyon i ase o. E nou ankouraz zot pou zot fer zot training e ki zot progrese e zot a vwar poudir sa i en keksoz ki nou kontinyelman fer.
Sa ki ou pe dir mwan i annan 6 dimoun avan –ki ou kapab klarifye lo la – ki ou ti mean lo la?

HON EGBERT AGLAE Ti annan en lanons ki Prezidan ti fer li menm, swivan bann lamannman ki ti fer avek Lalwa ACCS, kot avan ti annan bann Commissioners ki ti pe travay lo komansman e apre ti annan mansyon ki zot ti pou do away ek Commissioners prezan ti pou annan lezot investigators, li i ti dir pou annan 6 – dir donn larzan ziske nou a ganny 6.

E la ou’n dir nou i annan 12, sa ki ou’n dir nou.


Mon ti oule zis klarifye sa?

COMMISSIONER ANTI-CORRUPTION MAY DE SILVA Ok, nou annan 4 Advisory Council members prezan.

E sa bann larzan ekstra ki petet nou’n fer savings lo la, nou’n met dan lezot landrwa kot nou bezwen.

Nou’n bezwen larzan - priyoritiz nou bann depans pou bann ka ki nou pe travay lo la.

Me sa osi parey mon’n fer - mon’n dir poudir nou pou bezwen plis travayer.
E le problenm se ki, nou napa sa bann spesyalis e [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 nou bezwen komans regarde ki mannyer pou annan en progranm, pou nou kapab recruit sa bann spesyalis lokalman.

Lo kote lezot Lazans, sa bann lezot Lazans nou annan en MOU avek zot.

Tou sa bann lezot Lazans, zot dan National AML/CFT Committee avek ACCS.

Nou tou nou’n siny en Lagreman – en MOU, so nou travay an partnership avek zot.

So napa okenn additional duty allowance lo la.


E sa i en keksoz ki si nou bezwen gete lo en long term.

Akoz sa i zis spesifik kan zot vini, zot vin pou zis pou 3 semenn – 2 semenn, zot ale retourn kot zot travay, apre ler nou bezwen zot, zot vini.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ou annan klarifikasyon?

HON EGBERT AGLAE Mersi Madanm De Sylva.

Zis – akoz letan mon pe regard zot Bidze, detay ki devan nou, nou pa pe war … Mon war wages and salaries.
Vi ki ou’n nonm osi ki ou pou annan sa bann konsiltan, dan ki vot ki zot pe tir sa larzan?

Mon war i annan consultancy mon pa konnen si i ladan.

Ou kapab eklersi mwan?

E konbyen pe ganny depanse an totalite?

Apre osi ou’n nonmen poudir ou pou bezwen annan serten fasilite – ou’n nonm en forensics, ki pou tonm anba en non- financial assets.

Mon pa pe war dan Bidze, so kote ki i pe tonbe, akoz i parey en proze kapital, mon pa pe war ladan.

Eski i pe ganny enkli ladan?


COMMISSIONER ANTI-CORRUPTION MAY DE SILVA Wi, sa bann forensics i deza dan sa Bidze ladan.

La nou’n met dan sa Bidze.

Epi pou nou bann konsiltan i tonm anba legal avek lenvestigasyon e sa i tonm dan ‘other goods and services.’ Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Uranie?

HON ROCKY URANIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonn apre midi Madanm De Sylva avek ou delegasyon.


Mon vwar anba wages in kind pou housing 300mil, me ou annan bann envestigater enternasyonal, kote zot pe reste e konbyen ou pe peye, akoz zot bezwen pe pey landrwa pou zot, [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 konbyen zot pe peye pou sa bann dimoun, akoz mon pa pe vwar kote i allocate dan Bidze?

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ok, kestyon spesifik lo housing.


COMMISSIONER ANTI-CORRUPTION MAY DE SILVA Wi, mon pa kapab devwale kote bann spesyalis i reste pou rezon sekirite.

E nou pa pe pey zot housing.

Zot ganny en peyman e zot, zot deside ki bor zot reste.

Sa i sorti lo zot, dan zot peyman.

Nou, nou pa pe pey zot housing.

HON ROCKY URANIE (Off-Mic) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ou pa pou al press lo la, akoz mon’n fek dir taler nou bann Order 36 – bann keksoz ki sansib.
HON ROCKY URANIE En pti klarifikasyon, be konbyen zot pe mete pou housing dan zot package konmsi?

Mersi.

Oubyen konbyen ou pe pey zot sa bann dimoun?

Sa bann envestigater?

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ler ou dir peye – pey zot saler ouswa pey …?

HON ROCKY URANIE Whatever ki ou pe peye – zot package antye include zot saler ladan, konbyen ou pe pey zot?

Mersi.

Enkli lakaz.

COMMISSIONER ANTI-CORRUPTION MAY DE SILVA Nou pey zot parey en bann EU Consultants ki vin ek nou.
So i dan zot package, ki ladan zot ganny zot daily rate apre zot ganny zot per diem ki tonm dan sa package an antye.

E sanmenm sa ki mon pe dir ou, i lo zot pou zot deside kote zot reste e ladan zot tir zot expenses, zot loto, sa ki zot – si zot pou pran loto lwe, ki bor zot lwe zot loto, sa i separe sa.

I pa en keksoz ki sorti dan nou Bidze.

Nou donn zot, zot per diem lo daily rate ki ganny kalkile par en consultancy rate.

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Mersi.

Ou pa ankor satisfe Onorab?

HON ROCKY URANIE Wi, mon ti a kontan konnen konbyen ou pe pey at least enn sa envestigater?

Donn nou en figure, konbyen ou pe pey li?

COMMISSIONER ANTI-CORRUPTION MAY DE SILVA Sa i en contractual matter ki mwan mon pare pou diskit in camera.

E ler FPAC i zwenn, mon pare pou mwan devwal sa bann lenformasyon avek FPAC.

Mersi.

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MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Madanm De Sylva.


Mon ti konnen ki nou ti pou al en pe dan sa bann direksyon and this is why mon ti dir zot port atansyon lo Order 36.

E an mezir ki mon pe ekout sa deba pe ale, Chairman FPAC i la, Chairman Defense Committee malerezman pa la, petet ACCS a lavenir i enn bann antite – Vice-Chair i la – ki zot merit konsider ki i annan en konversasyon avek li avan i vin on the floor, akoz serten eleman son Bidze ki konsern bann case Ankour, bann keksoz koumsa.
Just a thought ki mon pe mazinen.

Mon war Onorab Pillay i lev son lanmen.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman, nou annan en presedans dan Lasanble, ler nou ti pe diskit Bidze FIU-NDEA, serten lenformasyon nou ti devwal li dan Lasanble.

Sertennman kot sa bann dimoun pe reste mon konpran, me konbyen zot pe gannyen mon pa vwar en issue pou nou koman Lasanble, pou nou konnen.

Akoz sa in leka.
Akoz sa in leka.

E annefe si mon rapel byen sa ki ansyen Vis-Chairman FPAC ti demande ler nou ti pran Bidze FIU ek NDEA, ler i ti ankor dan Lasanble e sa se Vis-Prezidan Afif, se ki sa lenformasyon i konsern en lenformasyon bidzeter e nou bezwen konnen konbyen nou pe peye pou sa bann dimoun.

Napa nanryen ki sekre ladan.

Sa ki relevan ladan se ki nou pa pe jeopardize sekirite sa bann dimoun, kot zot pe reste e sa mon kapab konpran.

Me otherwise nou bezwen konnen konbyen nou pe depanse.
Akoz nou’n depans R63milyon lannen pase between Zen avek la - sa lannen konmsi – between Zen ek la, nou’n depans R63milyon dapre sa ki mon pe konpran la.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Mon pa konnen, Lasanble i bezwen kapab ganny serten lenformasyon, me tout an respektan - parey ou’n dir - serten kestyon ki par zot natir would be secret or i kapab jeopardize en lenvestigasyon ki ACCS … Mon pa war lenvestigasyon si pou nou konbyen sa bann dimoun pe ganny peye.
MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Pwen i note.

Chief Whip LDS oule fer en komanter?

HON SANDY ARISSOL Wi, tout an siportan sa ki i pe dir an menm tan respekte sa ki ou pe dir as Chair, si i annan lenformasyon kekfwa ki mon santi pa kapab vin dan domenn piblik, lo medya, me sa lenformasyon i kapab ganny sirkile avek Manm, pou nou koman bann endividi ganny larepons ki nou pe rode.

Parske nou osi bezwen pran kont parey ou’n dir – parey Chair in dir an relasyon avek sansibilite, content ki nou pe koz lo la.
So si sa lenformasyon i kapab ganny sirkile avek Manm sa ki Onorab Uranie pe demande, sa lenformasyon atraver Biro Clerk, i kapab ganny donnen avek li san met li dan piblik pou tou dimoun konnen kote Sandy Arissol pe reste letan i pe travay avek Anti-Koripsyon.

Zis en propozisyon.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mon krwar i en middle of the way approach, ki mon konfortab avek, donk nou ava kontinyen lo lalis kestyon.

Madanm De Silva oule azout en keksoz?


COMMISSIONER ANTI-CORRUPTION MAY DE SILVA Annou pa fer sa fot pou dir R63milyon – nou pa dir R63milyon i al pou sa bann foreign consultants.

So … Ok?

Akoz … HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY (Off-Mic) COMMISSIONER ANTI-CORRUPTION MAY DE SILVA Wi, les mwan fini en pti kou pou mwan dir ou - i annan bann lezot eleman ladan.

Par egzanp nou Control Centre, i annan nou electricity fees ki high akoz nou annan en digital forensics lab prezan.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Nou annan lenvestigasyon ki nou pe pey pou 10 konsiltan.

Nou annan larzan ki nou’n bezwen peye pou gard bann dimoun an rimann, akoz zot pa’n dan Remand Centre – zot in dan en special holding area.

So … E sa i sa bann additional charges ki nou, nou’n peye.

Alors nou kapab donn zot, zot breakdown apre parey mon’n dir.

Mon napa okenn issue lo la e nou’n pas dan tou prosedir pou nou ganny nou bann konsiltan.

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

(Off-Mic) HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Yes mon oule klarifye, mon pa’n dir ou’n pey 63milyon bann konsiltan.

Mon’n dir nou donn en supplementary budget depi Zen ziska la -63million.

Sa osi nou bezwen konnen ki mannyer in ganny depanse.

Petet pou ed nou, ou’n dir nou zot ganny peye lo en EU consultant rate, e sa i en contractual obligation ou kapab donn nou en figure – en range ki nou, nou a kapab prezan Lasanble konpran sa provizyon bidzeter ki nou pe mete.
Akoz last year ou Bidze altogether was 82million, this year it’s only – if I am not mistaken – mon ganny mon figures right – it’s only 53million, so this is less than your EOY pou sa lannen.

.So nou bezwen konnen i ase – i pa ase.

What we have to know.

Se sa ki mon pe dir Mr Chairman.

Mersi.


Mon pa pou al ankor lo la akoz mon’n deza pran ase letan pou… MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Wi, sa ki mon ti pou port atansyon Lasanble, se ki in annan en lantant lo tou kote latab atraver zot Chief Whip lo letan pou sa heading.

E i mon lentansyon pou mwan termin li ler ki nou’n agree - ki 4er apre midi.

So mon pe go down the list of bann dimoun ki’n met sa… si letan i arive ou pa ganny letan demann ou pa ganny letan demann ou kestyon, sorry.

Onorab Cosgrow.
Onorab Cosgrow.

HON WALLACE COSGROW [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman mon annan 2 pti kestyon lo Bidze ACCS.


Annefe ler mon get konparezon 2022 e 2023 e la mon pe focus lo ‘other goods and services, e osi lo wages and salaries, mon pe get foreign consultancy fees avek legal fees i amount to apepre – Pou lannen prosenn i amount to apepre R30milyon e mon krwar nou’n dir konbyen 8 consultants or … 10 consultants en - ler mon get zot wages and salaries pou sa 12 Seselwa, i pa ni menm lanmwatye sa.

So basically you see where the – ou war kote sa focus i ete.
The focus is on foreign consultants pe anmas en bonpe larzan.

Mon per pangar mon war en lot zafer FIU-IRISH ki pe devlope la.

ACCS- Angle.

Mr Chairman, nou annan nou pou sa lannen R11milyon 750mil avek 18milyon tou le de pou consultancy fees avek legal fees, eski nou kapab - mon kapab fer en request ozordi – eski ACCS pou pare pou make available sa bann Kontra avek FPAC?

Kontra sa bann dimoun ki pe travay avek zot?

Mon annan en nide apepre konbyen zot pe gannyen e zot peryod Kontra pou 10mwan.
Me selman mon ti a kontan - mon konnen i annan en saler apre i annan en larzan pou food and drinks and transportation.

So mon ti a kontan ki nou pran sa;- mon pa poudir la dan Lasanble akoz i pa normal, nou dir pa koz lo Kontra.

Me solman si nou ti kapab ganny sa available donn FPAC e FPAC zot a kapab deliber lo la, gete, eski nou pe ganny valer pou sa larzan?

Or eski ACCS pe zis devid en kantite larzan dan en prose ki nou tou nou anvi war en rezilta, me selman larzan i bokou, en?
Ou a note ki 2022 foreign consultancy fees ti R46milyon avek legal fees ti R15milyon, so eski zot pare pou devwal sa Kontra silvouple?

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ou annan 2 pwen.

COMMISSIONER ANTI-CORRUPTION MAY DE SILVA Onorab, mersi pou ou kestyon.

Lannen pase ti annan en intense lenvestigasyon.


An konparezon avek bann travayer lokal, sa bann dimoun i spesyalize, zot tou zot annan zot spesyalizm dan koripsyon - investigation of corruption avek blansisarz larzan, avek asset recovery avek financial forensics, ok?

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Sa bann i bann louvraz byen spesyalize sa.

In fact i sa bann spesyalis zot rar.

Ou bezwen rod - sirtou bann financial forensics ki en defi isi Sesel.
Mon krwar nou annan - zis a handful dimoun dan sa spesyalizm, akoz bann gran firm accountancy i pran sa bann dimoun pou zot, e i pey zot byen.

Parey mon’n dir zot larzan ki zot ganny peye ti over sa lannen e pou lannen prosenn, i annan en trial.

I trial year lannen prosenn - lenvestigasyon i wind down.

E nou pe met nou focus lo en lot bout travay e lekel spesyalis ki nou pou bezwen dan 2023.

So sanmenm ou pou war en ladiferans ant sa lannen avek lannen prosenn.
Apre legal fees ou pou war poudir sa en keksoz osi ki i annan en defayans isi Sesel.

Nou napa prosekiter.

Nou napa dimoun ki spesyaliz dan blansisarz larzan, dan koripsyon apre dan asset recovery.

Sa i osi ase konpleks, e nou bezwen bann spesyalis.

Mon ankor pe - Mon’n advertise en dyob pou en Principal Counsel pou 1an mon pa ankor ganny personn, pou apply sa dyob.

I zis pou donn ou en legzanp bann difikilte ki nou gannyen pou nou ganny bann spesyalis.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.


Ou annan klarifikasyon?

HON WALLACE COSGROW Yes Mr Chair.

Mon annan en klarifikasyon.

Konmsi Madanm De Silva ou pe dir nou ki napa okenn dimoun ki zot in aprose, or ki’n apros zot pou pran - pou take up louvraz - avoka Seselwa ki’n apros zot pou take up louvraz, ki zot in decline?

I pa’n egziste sa or zot pa’n ganny ditou ki’n vini?
Apre dernyen, eski zot pe spread the cost around, akoz eski zot annan okenn sa bann envestigater or avoka ki pa anba zot payroll, me i anba payroll AG’s Office - si ou kapab konfirmen?

Mersi.

COMMISSIONER ANTI-CORRUPTION MAY DE SILVA Annefe en pe nou travay nou anvoy kot AG’s Office, pou bann ka ki nou bann travayer pe travay lo la.

Epi wi i annan en problenm isi lo pou - napa prosekiter dan pei e AG menm i fer vini prosekiter etranze, e sa i en problenm.

Parey mon’n dir nou pou bezwen fer en keksoz.


Nou bezwen aktiv dan sa, dan sa area.

E ki ti ou lot kestyon?

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 HON WALLACE COSGROW Mon premye kestyon ti about - mon dezyenm kestyon ti about spreading the cost avek AG’s Office e mon dezyenm kestyon ti about prosekiter, so ou’n reponn mon 2 kestyon.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ok mersi.

Donk nou ava bouz lo lot entervenan.

Onorab Lemiel?

HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL Mersi Mr Chair.


Bonn apre midi Madanm De silva ek ou delegasyon.

Mon issue i konsern staff, mon war ki an 2021 letan ou ti vin isi, ou ti fer en plea avek Gouvernman parey ki mon’n tann ou, ou’n redir la dan ou pti speech, dan ou lentrodiksyon ki ou pe fer.

Kot ou ti nonmen egzakteman ki kantite staff ou ti annan sa letan;- sa letan ou ti annan 33 staff, me selman la i en pe konfizan mannyer ou pe donn detay lo kote ou staffing.
Petet ti a bon mon ti a konnen dan sa Bidze 2023 i pe al cater pou ki kantite staff Seselwa, i pe al cater for?

E eski ou annan okenn Seselwa la aktyelman -ou pe ganny lasistans avek EU ou ti’n dir - hmm?

Petet sa bann dimoun depi ler zot isi - sa bann etranze - eski ou annan staff Seselwa ki understudy avek sa bann dimoun ki’n sorti kot EU?

E petet osi mon’n tann ou dir sa additional fund ki ou ti’n demande, i pou cater pou pey en pe pou ankor 10 investigators?
So petet mon pe mazinen eski la - konmsi la ki pe vin konfizan - eski la ou annan 10 investigators ki pe ganny peye avek Gouvernman Sesel?

E apre ou annan sa 4 ki ti sipoze EU ki ti pe asiste ou?

Petet la i demann en pe leklersisman.

Akoz lenformasyon ki mannyer ou pe donnen, i vin en pti pe konfizan pou piblik deor konnen egzakteman, ki mannyer ou emoluments - larzan pe ganny ale anver kwa?

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ok mersi.


Kestyon lo staff Seselwa - partikilyerman lakantite dan Bidze 2023, apre investigators.

COMMISSIONER ANTI-CORRUPTION MAY DE SILVA Mersi.

Nou annan 12 envestigater Seselwa, ok?

Wi i annan detrwa ki - Dan sa 12 i annan 7 ki’n travay avek sa EU consultant.

EU [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Kontra in fini by the way mwan pase - non 2 mwan pase, zot Kontra in fini.

So zot ti pe travay avek 7 bann envestigater.


Mon dir ou 7, akoz dan sa group 12 la, i annan 2 ki financial analyst, prezan ou bezwen met zot anba financial analysts pou fer training, pou financial analysis.

So tousala i lo on the job training.

Epi nou annan sa bann ki dan Konplent e Konplent i en unit separe.

Parey ler mon dir ou mon lokasyon mon 3 lokasyon.

E dan Konplent i annan 3 envestigater - 1 investigations assistant - 1 trainee - 2 trainees in fact, ok?
So dan bann diferan seksyon ler ou dir mwan envestigater, sa ki pe aktyelman fer lenvestigasyon dan Investigations Unit.

So sa i 7 in fact – wi.

Akoz i tonm anba Complaints.

Ou bezwen keep sa 2 seksyon separe.

E wi, mon pou toultan bezwen plis travayer e menm sa bann ki la zot bezwen asiste sa bann konsiltan, pou zot osi aprann, pou zot gard bann nouvo fason travay.

So, tousala i dan en progranm on-the-job-training.

E sa ki la wi, zot pou ganny training e nou kontinyelman bezwen ankor envestigater.
E nou pou bezwen akoz nou’n pran 3 – zis mon dir ou dan sa group osi nou’n pran 3 nou’n met zot dan digital forensics, prezan zot pou bezwen al training pou digital forensics.

So ou pe vwar ki i annan 2 diferan kad – 2 diferan spesyalis ki nou pe travay lo la, pou nou bann staff ki internal.

Apre recruitment i pou en issue e nou ti mete en Bidze.

Pou le moman nou pa’n mete, akoz nou annan en ka ki nou pe travay lo la ki pe pran en pe letan.

E nou ava reviz sa mid- year apre sa trial.

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

Ou annan klarifikasyon?

HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL Mersi Mr Chair.

Wi petet mon ti a kontan konnen avek Madanm De Silva, eski ou’n dir Kontra avek EU sa bann dimoun in fini la, eski EU in pledge for lezot lasistans?

Konmsi pou ziska ou fini avek ou bann case, eski EU pou kontinyen asiste ou?

E si wi si in pledge en la kantite larzan petet, ki i pou kapab kontinyen ed ACCS avek bann investigators?
Apre mon ti pe regarde petet sa 10 dimoun ki ou pe anba sa additional budget la, eski zot Seselwa zot osi oubyen etranze sa?

Mersi.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

I annan 2 pwen la.

COMMISSIONER ANTI-CORRUPTION MAY DE SILVA Ok dan sa 10 i annan 9 etranze 1 Seselwa.

Apre EU sa Kontra sa i en keksoz priyorite Gouvernman.

Mon’n form parti sa dialogue ki zot ti fer an Oktob pou demann plis lasistans.
E sa i en keksoz ki Gouvernman pou fer sa lapros pou technical aid pou kontinyen.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

Mon ava apel aprezan Onorab Loze.

HON JOHAN LOZE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker an 2021 ACCS ti vin kot Lasanble, pou demann en sonm R18.5milyon - si mon pa tronpe.

Pli tar milye lannen zot in demann en sonm R63milyon.

Mon konsern mwan se sa zesyon sa bann gro sonm, ki nou pa kapab ganny detay, detay pa kapab ganny devwale pou rezon sekirite.
Mr Speaker pli boner sa lannen bann O Zofisye ACCS, in admet ki zot in fer en mistake dan ganny depans R1.6milyon ki zot in otorize, e zot in dir sa ti en mistake ki zot pa ti a kontan war repete.

Si zot fer mistake to the tune of 1.6million Rupees ki zot nivo konpetans pou gere - wi en sonm Madanm May ki zot in pey 2 avoka - e zot in admet poudir sa i en mistake, ki zot pa ti a kontan war repete.

Kan mannyer zot pe gere sa bann gro sonm ki’n donn zot?
Mon lot kestyon, eski ACCS in involve dan okenn ka blansisarz larzan?

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

2 kestyon.

COMMISSIONER ANTI-CORRUPTION MAY DE SILVA Ti annan en - les mwan met zot en pti pe okouran.

Ti annan en proze pou nou fund en lenvestigasyon, ki ti pou vin en external funding – ok?
Ler nou’n diskit avek Minis Finans, lenplikasyon sa litigation funding, zot ti advise nou poudir petet sa i pa en keksoz pou nou - pa - i pa cost effective, alors Gouvernman i ava fund sa lenvestigasyon pou nou.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 So up till Novanm lannen pase, nou ti pe mazinen poudir nou pou annan sa litigation funding, i pa’n arive.

E Gouvernman in met sa larzan pou nou kontinyen avek nou lenvestigasyon.
Sanmenm sa ou war en request pou larzan mid-year akoz parey mon’n eksplike.

Lo kestyon 1.6milyon ki nou pa konnen ki nou’n fer avek, oubyen nou’n mal zere - sa mon pa okouran e mon ti a kontan konnen en pe plis lenformasyon lo la.

Akoz mon pa rapel - mon pa konnen dan ki konteks ki mwan, mon’n dir nou’n mal zer 1.6milyon.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Savedir ti ava byen si Onorab i kapab donn nou legzanp egzakteman kot sa sours sa lenformasyon.
Apre in demann en kestyon, si ACCS in enplike dan blansisarz larzan?

HON JOHAN LOZE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker pou lenformasyon ACCS, mon pe refer lo R1.6milyon ki zot in pey avoka Madanm Farine Ragan, e ki ler zot in debout devan Lakour, zot in dir avek Ziz poudir sa fason ki sa in ganny fer ti en mistake e ki zot, zot pa ti a kontan ki zot in otorize pou peye;- zot pa ti a kontan kontinyen dan sa fason.

E zot anvi sanz fason ki keksoz pe ganny fer.


Now si zot pe fer bann mistake koumsa, nou pe donn zot 53milyon ankor la, mon zis anvi en - zot donn en pep Seselwa en reassurance ki zot pe manage nou larzan avek konpetans e ki pe napa mistakes!

Mon pa pe quote keksoz dan fou la, mon pe koz Angle in dir devan Lakour.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.


Solman i - Leader Lopozisyon ou Caucus ki fer sa souvan, zot pran bann keksoz ki pas an deor - swa dan Lakour swa dan medya, e ou konnen konman en Manm eksperyanse i bann keksoz ki ou bezwen iron out avek ou Caucus.

Akoz zot ki fer sa bokou.

It’s not question lo Bidze ki annan swa manda ACCS, swa son strategic priorities, swa son bann target ki in mete e ou ava port a - not sa pwen silvouple.

Madanm De Silva?
Madanm De Silva?

COMMISSIONER ANTI-CORRUPTION MAY DE SILVA Mon ti a kontan fer en klarifikasyon lo la, akoz zis an ka zot krwar poudir nou ki’n pey avoka lezot dimoun.

ACCS i met restriksyon [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 lo bann kont bann endividi, ki ler nou fer lenvestigasyon lo zot.

E nou fer sa dan en kad legal.

Sa issue se ki i konsernen avek Company Law.


Zis pou klarifye poudir ler en endividi pe demande pou li pey son avoka ek larzan lakonpannyen, sa ki ti en issue.

Madanm Ragan ti en anplwaye sa lakonpannyen ki’n pey son legal fees.

So anba Company Law si ou en anplwaye, ou kapab ganny ou expenses.

Si ou en direkter oubyen ou en shareholder sa i diferan fason pou zot tir larzan dan en lakonpannyen.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.


Onorab mon pa pou permet ou al ankor lo la akoz Order 36 mon ti dir zot pou al antre dan bann keksoz ‘’question shall not reflect the decision of a court of law, no question shall be asked on matters which is subjudice.’’ La nou pe sot Bidze ACCS, nou pe al dan son bann case ki i pe deal avek Ankour, so mon pa pe toler ankor any further question lo sa size.

Onorab Pillay you are next on the list.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.


Look mon’n not sa stetment ki ou’n fer lo konmansman.

Mon le zis dir ki mon bann Manm dan Lasanble in aprann avek ou menm ou e bann Manm lo lot kote latab, ler zot ti dan Lopozisyon.

Zot pe servi bann menm teknik ki Lopozisyon dan lepase in servi.

So si zot met sa bann keksoz devan petet i -mea culpa nou tou nou bezwen fer, be selman sak Manm i annan laliberte lekspresyon dan Lasanble.
E mwan, mon pa fer okenn fason curtail okenn sa ki dimoun i anvi dir lo mon kote latab.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Hang on Onorab, nou pa pou al antre dan en deba, me selman sa laliberte lekspresyon nou bezwen tonm dakor, i annan son limit.

Si dan lepase Lopozisyon in fer serten fot, 7enm Lasanble li i bezwen raise the bar.

(Interruption) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Akoz toultan mon dir poudir this is nou rules la anndan.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 E si nou Standing Orders i dir nou pa fer en keksoz let’s not try to push the envelope.

Akoz mon pa pou agree.

Selman proceed avek ou kestyon silvouple.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Thank you.

Mon ti espekte you, you would have seen the obvious pitfall ladan, me ou’n aksepte ou menm ou dan lepase ki Lopozisyon in fer en fot, so la sa i pou vin pou piblik Seselwa note.
Ler zot ti pe demann sa bann kestyon ki zot ti demande dan lepase, ti fer en fot.

Prezan – (zot be lev zot lanmen demann kestyon zot) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Kestyon Onorab.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Prezan kestyon ki nou bezwen, nou bezwen klarifye - ok, premyerman mwan, mon konsernen ek sa pa ganny lenformasyon ki nou pe trouv nou lekor ladan ozordi - ok?

E mwan, mon pou respekte manda ACCS ki la ozordi i en Enforcement Agency.
E si nou pe ganny dir poudir i annan wi i annan case ki subjudice - mon pa pe al refer lo case ki subjudice.

Me mon pe refer lo manda ACCS e larzan ki nou’n met dan Bidze.

Premye kestyon, ler mon regard anba foreign consultancy fees e mon regard legal consultancy fees - legal fees mon ganny mwan en sif R61milyon apepre.

Lo en Bidze orizinal pou 2022 ki ti zis R18milyon, nou’n end up depans R61milyon.
So si mon tir sa 18milyon ladan i fer ki nou’n depans apepre R50milyon lo foreign consultancy fees ek legal fees.

So eski lepep Seselwa pa devret ganny en lesplikasyon lo kote e lo lekel ki nou’n depans sa kantite larzan?

Mon pe koz ou la R53milyon ler mon tir sa 18milyon.

E nou pa pe ganny okenn lenformasyon ki pe dir nou konbyen nou pe depanse lo sa bann dimoun, kan saler 2an pase - 3an pase, Gouvernman ti pou ganny trangle pou donn sa lenformasyon?
Ozordi tou keksoz pe ganny dan en fason ganny kasyet.

Dezyenmman Mr Chairman, mon le ganny sa lesplikasyon, kote sa larzan in ale e lo lekel ki sa larzan in ale?

Akoz ler mon fer mon kalkil e mon kalkil lo la kantite dimoun ki annan anba foreign consultancy fees, savedir nou pe pey sak dimoun R5milyon tou le- z-an - R5milyon tou le-z-an.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 E sa i fer nou fer en sipozisyon lo R5milyon, so that’s why we need to have the information, so that we ganny li kler what is happening?

Dezyenmman, Mr Chairman si Onorab Georges Onorab Larue i le demann kestyon, zot a lev zot lanmen - dezyenmman, eski ACCS pa krwar ki sa i en disparite an relasyon avek staff lokal, ki ler nou regard ou wages and salaries i zis R13.7milyon, me lo bann etranze nou pe depans R40ekek milyon?
E i a vin R53milyon ler nou azout avek bann lezot legal fees.

Eski nou pa krwar ki sa i en disparite e eski sa pa pou annan en impact lo sa Lazans going forward?

Prezan mon trwazyenm kestyon Mr Chairman, lannen prosen nou pe redwir Bidze ACCS pou vin R23milyon, ok, ok - i pou R23milyon R23.2milyon lannen prosen.

E sa i pou retir lamazorite bann konponan, ki nou’n depanse anba sa bann consultancy fees.
Me lekel ki pou fer en odit dan 46milyon an 2022 ;- 11.7milyon an 2023;- 15milyon an 2022;- 18milyon ki si ler nou azout ansanm almost 90million Rupees.

Lekel ki pou fer en odit dan tou sa larzan ki nou’n depanse pou nou asire ki nou’n ganny value for money, akoz nou ankor pe ganny dir nou pou ganny sa dan case, sa dan case?

This is about larzan ki pe ganny depanse la aktyelman e ki nou pa pe kapab ganny detay lo la.

Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

Panel ?


COMMISSIONER ANTI-CORRUPTION MAY DE SILVA Ok, mersi Onorab pou ou bann kestyon.

Mon kapab donn en breakdown tousala, parey mon’n dir devan FPAC - ok?

Sa bann foreign consultant legal fees, sa bann dimoun ki annan zot lekspertiz dan - lekspertiz legal dan money laundering - blansisaz larzan dan koripsyon dan asset recovery ok. Nou’n deza fini sezi $4milyon avek dan sa case $4milyon;- ki apepre R51milyon ki nou pe retourn dan kof Gouvernman.
Nou annan en lot pti case 5milyon ki nou pe espere la, ki nou’n sezi, ki i a retourn dan kof Gouvernman.

Nou pe investigate en theft of $120milyon.

Tousala nou bann eksper spesyalis, i ava fer retourn sa larzan dan kof Gouvernman.

Mwan, mon krwar i value for money.

Nou, nou ganny nou, nou ganny odite par Oditer Zeneral.

Parey mon’n dir tou sa bann [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 dokiman i la, nou ava montre oditer ler zot a vini, i ava fer son assessment.
Nou Anti-Koripsyon apre tou, e nou fer sir poudir tou keksoz ki nou pe fer, nou pe fer dan kad legal e ki nou pe swiv Public Finance Management Act, ler nou pe fer nou bann aplikasyon.

E pou mwan, mon krwar poudir annou pa regard sa ladiferans ki nou bann staff lokal i gannyen.

Akoz zot pa ankor ganny zot expertise.

Ler zot ava fer zot training e i annan en pe zot ki pe fer zot Masters, sa ki pe fer son Degre zot ganny rekonnet pou sa bann sertifika ki zot pe gannyen.
Nou pe depans en bonpe larzan lo sa 3 digital forensics officer lokal - i ase ser sa bann course.

E zot ava ganny reminere dapre zot bann kalifikasyon.

So nou, nou krwar poudir sa i valer pou sa larzan ki nou, nou pe rode.

E si zot bezwen rezilta, zot in demann ACCS pou vin anmenn bann case Ankour nou’n vin anmennen, prezan la nou pou bezwen lasistans bann eksper.

E mon kontinyelman dir pou 3an petet nou, nou’n redwir sa Bidze pou lannen 2023, akoz i annan trail year.
E nou pa pou bezwen sa tim legal beyond pou sa kantite letan on island pou 6mwan, so sanmenm sa nou’n redwir sa Bidze pou 2023 - 2024.

So e petet 2024 nou ava regard nou Bidze, pou nou increase la kantite Seselwa eksper, pou nou kapab met dan nou tim.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY (Off-Mic) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ou santi i annan pwen…?

Si ou santi poudir i annan pwen ki pa’n ganny reponn - I will not take new questions akoz vreman mon le fini lo ler.
I reste en entervenan proceed vitman.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Chairman.

Commissioner savedir in confirm ek nou poudir sa 46milyon ki ti dan Bidze 2022, sa 11milyon ki dan Bidze 2023 nou pe depans li zis lo sa bann etranze?

Akoz in disparet 2024 - ou’n fek konfirm ek nou poudir i disparet.

Mon’n actually konfirm ek Minister Finans lo behalf [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 FPAC, apre ki nou ti diskit Bidze Siplemanter, pou ganny lenformasyon zisteman lo sa.
Nou pa ankor ganny okenn lenformasyon nou.

Nou pa ankor gannyen lenformasyon.

So mwan, mon war poudir i annan en attempt - pa pou kasyet ek mwan - mon pa pe dir pou kasyet, me i annan en attempt pou ki nou pa pe ganny - pou Lasanble pa ganny lenformasyon kler, lo lekel ki nou pe depans sa bann larzan e ki mannyer sa bann larzan pe ganny depanse.

So lefe ki ou pe konfirm ek mwan la, ki poudir sa bann larzan - akoz ou ki’n dir mwan poudir i pou nepli la.
Savedir ler mon pe get ou Bidze i disparet, savedir nou pou depans 46 azout 11.7milyon, i fer nou apepre 58milyon zis lo foreign consultancy fees.

58milyon non, non i dan ou Bidze la foreign consultancy fees, mon pe lir li la pa mon ki pe envant sa - ki disparet 2024.

Which means ou pe depans zis avek sa bann etranze.


Mon issue Madanm Komisyoner petet ou bezwen konpran - mon issue is about whether or not nou ACCS pe ganny hijacked, pou pey en bann dimoun en bann gro, gro sonm larzan, for things ki probableman ACCS li menm ti pou kapab fer.

Se sa ki mon konsernen avek e ki ler nou pe koz lo en nouvo Irish-FIU-NDEA, nou annan rezon nou, akoz bann menm larepons ki ti ganny servi aprezan regarding FIU- Irish, pe ganny servi la avek ACCS.
E mon les sa ek lepep Seselwa pou zot note, pou zot analize pou zot menm.

Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER I retourn - avan mon donn laparol Madanm De Silva, kot i fasil pou en kote ouswa lot kote zis fer en lakizasyon oplenner.

Onorab parske ou, ou Leader Lopozisyon e osi Chairman FPAC.

E in annan bann presedans dan lepase kot sa bann size Lasanble in kapab travay ek bann antite Gouvernman, pou ganny bann konversasyon, bann rapor.
Mon pa ti en Manm FPAC, me mon’n lir tou sa bann rapor e mon pa krwar poudir i pou diferan dan 7enm Lasanble, si nou pran nou bann responsabilite respektiv, serye, pou elev stati e nivo Lasanble.

Madanm De Silva ou larepons silvouple.

COMMISSIONER ANTI-CORRUPTION MAY DE SILVA Mon konsernen ki nou pe ganny tarnish ek memos ki FIU-Irish.

E mwan menm mwan, mon santi mwan mon ofanse ki zot pe met [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 nou dan sa menm kad.
Mon’n eksplike ki nou, nou Anti-Koripsyon nou pe swiv en kad legal, kot nou pe fer vini sa bann eksper.

I annan en kantite presyon lo sa lenstitisyon.

Nou bann profesyonnel in ganny an piblik, pou pa vin delivre.

Nou’n vini - zot in asize zot in seye investigate en gro ka, zot in struggle avek - ok?

Nou’n fer assessment, nou’n fer review, nou’n war poudir nou annan sa dimoun ki annan lekspertiz pou fer sa louvraz.
Wi, nou pe hope ki dan detrwa an, nou bann travayer lokal ava annan sa lekspertiz pou zot travay e take up the mantle, pou zot konmans fer en pe lenvestigasyon.

Akoz i annan en kantite la ki nou pou kontinyen fer, ki’n ganny devwale.
E pou dir poudir i i pa value for money, ler mon ava prezant sa bann detay avek FPAC - ki mon’n ofer pou mwan fer, an vi ki i annan en lenvestigasyon an se moman; an vi ki i annan en case Ankour an se moman, mon pe dir ki zot annan pasyans, epi ki ler sa i a fini, i pa ava ganny servi pou vin fer lezot keksoz avek, in terms of sa bann lenformasyon ki zot gannyen.

Mwan, mon pe fer mon travay anba sa manda ki nou, nou’n gannyen, avek en tim ki pe sey fer sa travay ek tou son konpleksite.
E mon konpran poudir i annan konsern ki kekfwa sa i riske vin en problenm zafer zer larzan.

Sa larzan pa disparet an 2024.

Sa larzan i pa la akoz nou pa pe fer vini sa bann konsiltan.

Parey mon’n dir mon annan en trial year e hopefully si prezan nou annan en bann gro ka ki travayer pa kapab fer, mon a retourn kot Lasanble e demann ankor en pe larzan pou mwan ganny sa bann eksper pou zot asiste nou.

Mersi.

(APPLAUSE) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.


Donk dernyen, dernyen entervenan lo sa heading Onorab Georges.

(Interruption) HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair mon annan 2 kestyon tre senp e mon oule prefas mon kestyon avek sa parol Leader Lopozisyon, pou ki Seselwa deor i konpran tre byen.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Mon 2 kestyon se pou Manmzel De Silva, premyerman lekel sa Gouvernman ki ti o pouvwar Mademoiselle De Silva, ler sa 50milyon ek sa 120milyon ki ou fek mansyonnen la ozordi, ti disparet?

(APPLAUSE) HON BERNARD GEORGES E dezyenmman, e dezyenmman lekel ki ti Leader Lopozisyon dan 7enm Lasanble ki ti dir mwan, mon pou fer li mon devwar pou anmenn sa 50milyon isi Sesel?

Mersi.

(Off-Mic) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Kestyon in ganny demande.
Onorab Pillay menm si ou off- mic mwan, mwan mon tande ki ou pe dir e just be mindful of bann lakizasyon ki ou pe fer - ou pe dir.

Bon, Onorab Georges in demann son kestyon mon pe donn laparol Madanm De Silva pou reponn silvouple?

Proceed.

COMMISSIONER ANTI-CORRUPTION MAY DE SILVA Mon kapab fer rapel Lasanble ki sete Prezidan Faure ki ti fer son konplent, pou nou fer lenvestigasyon lo sa 50milyon.
Sa 50milyon ti disparet Oktob 2002, so mon krwar nou tou nou kapab fer konklizyon kan sa larzan ti disparet.

Mersi.

(Off-Mic) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

Donk nou pou aprezan … HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY (Off-Mic) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Non ou non pa’n ganny nonmen!

Napa personn ki’n nonm ou non.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY (Off-Mic) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Non, non, non napa okenn non ki’n ganny nonmen.
Nou’n ariv a lafen - nou’n ariv a lafen … (Interruption) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Nou a ganny order silvouple!

Nou ava ganny order, silvouple!

Nou pou pran vot - nou pou pran vot lo alokasyon pou Anti-Corruption Commission i trouve lo paz 135 a paz 137 pou en sonm R53milyon 263mil.

Mon ava demann tou bann Manm ki an faver pou endike silvouple?

Mersi.

Okenn Manm ki kont?

(Interruption) (Disruption) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Nou ava ganny order silvouple!

Nou ava order silvouple!


(Interruption) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Silvouple Onorab Vidot, silvouple mon pe pran laparol pou mon lir vot e nou Standing Orders i dir nou letan Speaker i annan laparol nou reste trankil.

I annan konplikasyon dan sa zafer la?

Mon krwar pa. Vot lo Anti-Corruption Commission pou en sonm R53milyon 263mil, i annan 21 Manm ki’n vot an faver, okenn Manm pa’n vot kont e okenn Manm -.

(Non nou annan en problenm avek vot) Wi nou annan en problenm avek vot akoz mon’n war ki’n pase.

Ok mersi.
Ok mersi.

Nou annan mon a repran.

Vot pou Anti-Corruption Commission pou en lavaler R53milyon 263mil, i annan 21 Manm ki’n vot an faver, okenn Manm pa’n vot kont e 10 Manm in abstain.

Vot in pase.

(APPLAUSE) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mon war LGB in lev son lanmen.

Proceed.

HON BERNARD GEORGES [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair mon pran laparol apre midi, akoz en Manm lo Caucus in fer en lakizasyon apre midi anver bann Onorab lot kote latab.
E antan ki Leader sa Caucus, mon oule withdraw sa lakizasyon e apologies avek bann Manm pou sa lakizasyon ki’n ganny fer.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mon apresye ou lakourtwazi.

Mon’n tann en kantite lakizasyon kont mwan personnelman e Lasanble Nasyonal lo kote Lopozisyon, mon pa war zot pe fer menm zafer.

Mon pe adjourn, nou pe repran 4er20 pou nou pran dernyen heading ki pou Departman pou Fisheries and Blue Economy.

Lasanble i adjourn.
Lasanble i adjourn.

(BREAK) DEPARTMENT OF FISHERIES AND DEPARTMENT OF BLUE ECONOMY MR SPEAKER Bon, bonn apre midi Minister e ou delegasyon ou’n sov nou 3 minit pou antre direkteman.

Welcome dan Lasanble Minis Jean- Francois Ferrari ki osi Designated Minister e i isi pou Minis Fisheries and Blue Economy.

E avek li Mr Roy Clarisse PS pou Fisheries epi Kenneth Racombo PS pou Blue Economy e Mr Joshua Adeline accountant.
Nou pe pran Bidze pou Blue pou Fisheries Department of Fisheries and Department of Blue Economy ki lo paz 87 ziska 96 pou en total R110milyon 343mil.

Nou a konmans avek lentrodiksyon Bidze, Minis silvouple?

THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Mersi Mr Speaker.

E bonn apre midi tou bann Manm Onorab dan Lasanble.

Mr Speaker ozordi mon vin prezant devan Lasanble Bidze pou Departman Lapes e Departman Lekonomi Ble.
Zot ava war poudir apard bann sonm ki reflekte dan Bidze, ki konsern bann blue bonds bann proze ki annan pou fer avek bann finansman spesyal, i 2 Bidze tre ptipti.

Nou annan nou en pti lekip e nou travay dan en fason tre kordinen.

E Lekonomi Ble ek Lapes i travay tre pros ek kanmarad [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 e nou fer fason pou nou met nou zefor ansanm, pou nou annan sa sinerzi ki nou bezwen.
Manda Departman Lapes parey zot konnen i en manda lo Polisi e nou travay se pou nou provide en lanvironnman legal, ki asir en devlopman soutenab lendistri lapes.

Avek Lekonomi Ble, nou ganny gidans lo nou metod travay, lo nou road map ki mannyer nou pou fer arive sa bann devlopman ki nou anvi war, dan sa sekter.

Pandan lannen 2021-2022, nou’n annan en kantite travay pou nou fer e zot ava war dan bann budget achievement, bann major achievements ki devan zot, en kantite travay in ganny fer.
Me sirtou mon ti a kontan felisit bann staff e remersi zot pou dan Departman Lapes, pou met azour bokou bann Lagreman ki ti an retar, ki pa ti’n ganny updated.

E sa in fer ki nou, nou prezan pou premye fwa ase ase azour avek nou bann partner enternasyonal.

E nou kapab anmas bann reveni ki pei ti devret pe anmase depi lontan, me selman ki, ki ti ankor outstanding.

Pandan sa lannen osi, nou ti fer en kantite travay lo preparasyon lo devlopman Ile Du Port.
Nou’n devlop nou’n lans sekter aquaculture e nou’n lans management nou zone Mahe plato.

E sa i en gran achievement dan li menm e nou’n fer li an lezot kolaborasyon avek bann Lasosyasyon Peser e bann stakeholders.

Pou sa ki konsern Lekonomi Ble, mon ti a kontan Mr Speaker osi eksplike ki manda Lekonomi Ble i donn sa direksyon stratezik e i fasilit e kordin nou aksyon ki nou pe fer.

dan tou devlopman ki annan pou fer avek nou losean.
Pandan sa lannen 2021-2022 avek sa pti konpleman staff ki nou annan, nou’n fer en kantite travay dan lenplimantasyon bann proze bio technology lo ocean literacy.

Nou annan en Departman ki nou’n lanse ki pe partaz avek lazenes, e atraver tou lekol dan Larepiblik nou en nouvo lapros avek losean.

Nou annan en gro konponan nou travay ki konsern maritime boundary delimitation e i pran en bonpe nou resours.

Me tousala sa lannen nou’n fer en kantite sikse.


E mon kapab dir ki par egzanp dan sa domenn la, nou’n termin en kantite negosyasyon ek nou bann pei vwazen.

E nou’n etablir bann out limit nou bann zone teritoryal e ki’n fer ki nou zone ekslisiv in aktyelman agrandi pandan sa lannen.

E nou’n fer bokou travay osi lo en plan pou nou devlop bann aktivite lo ban Saya de Malha.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Parey zot konnen avek sa kolaborasyon ki nou annan avek Monaco nou’n fer en kantite resers.

E zis avan mon’n vin la, mon annan plezir poudir ki finalman nou’n ariv en Lagreman avek Ile Maurice.

Ozordi nou’n ganny zot Lakor pou nou kapab lans en travay resers banbara dan sa zone.

Alors en kantite travay in ganny fer Mr Speaker avek pti gin larzan.
Alors mon ti a kontan prezan okenn kestyon ki zot annan lo Bidze e lo ki mannyer bann alokasyon in ganny fer.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Minis.

Avan nou konmanse zis en pti remark lo letan.

Mon anvi permet tou Manm demann zot kestyon, me pou mwan kapab fer sa fini dan en letan respektab, rezonnab, sirtou akoz nou bann staff ki bezwen reste, mon pou demann tou Manm gard lo 2 kestyon silvouple.
E mon oule donn zot konfyans, ki si nou’n fini en round e nou ankor annan en pe letan, nou a repran ankor kestyon sorti kot bann Manm.

So annou gard lo 2 pou le moman.

Me selman prensipalman Minis sirtou mon pe kont lo ou konman en Manm ki eksperyanse dan Lasanble, pou gard bann repons lo kestyon.

Byensir kestyon i bezwen ganny repons, me selman annou pa tro al dan bann detay progranm, ki al an plis ki kestyon e sa se zis pou permet nou kapab deal avek otan ki posib.

Tre byen.
Tre byen.

Avek sa mon a konmans avek Onorab Aglae.

HON EGBERT AGLAE Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonn apre midi Minis avek ou panel PS - le 2.

Premye kestyon lo kote Blue Economy, mon ti a kontan Minis en pti leklersisman lo petet ki kantite anba bann progranm - pou annan blue bond pou annan SeyCCat, pou annan sa ki anba DBS, apre ou annan SMEs kot i konsern value chain.

Kantite larzan ki’n ganny disburse ziska aprezan sirtou pou bann Seselwa, ki’n vin devan pou fer bann aktivite ki lye avek sa 4 size prensipal?
Dezyenmman Minis kot i konsern bann peser maren, mon ti a kontan ou donn nou en pti kontrandi marin pêcheur en pti kontrandi lo negosyasyon pou sa larzan konpansasyon, ki Linyon Eropeen i sipoze pou pey pou nou bann marin pêcheur, ki zistans in arive lo la?

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Eski zot pou kapab war zot pe ganny en larzan tre prosennman?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Minis ou repons please.


THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mon ava reponn sa dezyenm kestyon e mon ava permet PS Blue Economy reponn premye kestyon.

Premye kestyon lo konpansasyon pou bann maren;- Onorab mon en pe etonnen ki ou pa’n okouran poudir konpansasyon in ganny peye.

In ganny peye pou lavaler 73poursan son total.


Akoz 73poursan son total, se akoz bokou sa bann larzan ki ti due in son letan pou claim, administrasyon oparavan pa’n claim, pa’n fer sa bann claim.

E ki fer ki ler mwan, mon’n ariv dan Minister se enn bann premye keksoz ki mon’n fer, se pou nou gete ki kantite claim nou kapab fer.
E sonm ti vreman tre ba ki mon’n bezwen al negosye avek Linyon Eropeen, pou nou servi en sonm 350 mon krwar apepre €350mil an plis ki ti’n ganny earmark pou en progranm lanvironnman, pou anmas bann fad, ki sa in ganny servi pou nou met ansanm pou nou kapab ariv 73poursan.

Tou bann maren peser ki’n kalifye, ki’n ki ti annan entitlement, zot in ganny 73poursan zot entitlement.

Se sa ki mon’n gannyen e mon pa’n vin anbet personn, sa ki mon’n gannyen mon’n fer sir i ganny partaze.

La i la larepons.
La i la larepons.

Dezyenm kestyon lo bann bonds avek PS Racombo.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER PS Racombo.

PS KENNETH RACOMBO Bonn apre midi Mr Speaker.

Bon apre midi tou Manm.

Blue bond i annan 10milyon ekivalan Dolar kot DBS.

Premye aprouvasyon in ganny fact en lakonpannyen Seselwa an antye.

fer equivalent $3milyon - en Seselwa in E demann pou blue bond ki an prose - an process i plis ki $10milyon.
Prose kad grant, currently nou pe aprouv tou bann submission ki’n ganny anvoye kot SeyCCat e demann pou SeyCCat Grant i bokou plis ki sa fon kot SeyCCat Grant.

In terms of SMEs sa i en consultancy pou fer en stratezi pou deal with bann micro small antrepriz ki anvi antre dan marine [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 biotechnology.

E sa i target pirman Seselwa sa project is on time.

I pa pou demann extension me selman i pou fini ant 2023 dan parey son schedule.

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Wi reste lo klarifikasyon silvouple Onorab.

HON EGBERT AGLAE Yes Mr Speaker mersi.

Minis konbyen Seselwa ki zot in ganny asiste - si ou kapab donn nou sa lenformasyon si ou annan.

Ou’n koze poudir konpansasyon.

E ou’n osi mansyonnen poudir sonm ti vreman ba, dan negosyasyon li menm li ki ti sonm egzakt ki ti ganny prezante ki ou, ou’n ale pou ou kapab - parey ou’n dir al negosye fer en pti pe an plis?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis klarifikasyon.


THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Wi mersi Mr Speaker.

Mon napa sa figure avek mwan akoz i pa dan Bidze pou sa lannen ki pe vini, alors mon pa’n prepar en larepons pou sa.

Me selman la kantite ki li ti available e kantite maren ki’n kapab kalifye, mon kapab fer ou gannyen nenport ki moman.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Minis.

Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Bonzour panel e tou bann dimoun dan delegasyon.


E byensir bonzour tou koleg Onorab e dimoun a lekout.

Mr Chairman, mon ti a kontan si Minis i klarifye 2 pwen dan son Bidze avan.

Premyerman ou annan sa rent 4.5milyon ki zot pe peye aktyelman, ou kapab dir nou kote zot pe pey sa rent?

E eski zot pe fer okenn demars pou fer desann sa rent ki 4.5milyon mon war i kontinyen lo menm ton?
Dezyenmman mon war en fee subscription ki tonm 3.4milyon, eski ou kapab dir nou lekel lorganizasyon ki zot pe pey sa subscription fee sa 3.4milyon?

An relasyon avek Departman Blue Economy … [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 MR SPEAKER Ou pe al lo -?

Mon’n demande pou reste lo 2 kestyon.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Wi Mr Chairman.

Me nou pe pran tou le de heads an menm tan.

MR SPEAKER Ok sa 2 ou pe get li konman 1 kestyon.

Ale wi.
Ale wi.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Ok so, dezyenm lo Blue Economy, mon’n tann kestyon ki Onorab Aglae in demande nou ti a kapab ganny en presizyon, konbyen aplikan ziska la ki’n kalifye anba blue bonds swio fish e bann lezot progranm ki zot annan konbyen aplikan spesifikman ki’n kalifye pou fer whatever proze ki zot annan?

E sirtou sa development blue economy SMEs value chains kot i annan sa 7milyon, eski i annan aplikan ki’n fini kalifye akoz mon war poudir lannen prosen i pa pe la.
So i pou bezwen fini sa lannen, so mon ti a kontan konnen konbyen dimoun ki’n kalifye?

E si i annan okenn issue avek prosedir, akoz mon ti konpran ti annan serten konsern vizavi bann, bann prosedir?

Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis.

THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mon a pran kestyon vitman lo rent nou biro i dan batiman Pension Fund Maison Collette, e sa rent nou pey avek nou pey avek Pension Fund.
E mon krwar rent i ganny peye par en Departman e elektrisite i ganny peye par en lot Departman.

So la i la ki mannyer sa sonm rent i ganny klasifye.

PS i a reponn lo sa souskripsyon e PS Racombo i ava klersi lo bann fon.

MR SPEAKER Wi, so lekel ki nou pran premye PS Fisheries.

PS ROY CLARISSE Bonn apre midi Mr Chair.

Bonn apre midi bann Onorab.

Sa subscription annefe i membership fee ki Sesel i peye pou son membership dan IOTC.
I en larzan ki oparavan ti ganny bidzete anba Bidze Departman Finans ek Foreign Affairs.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Ki la in zis ganny transfer anba Departman Lapes pou efektye sa peyman.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

PS Racombo prezan?

PS KENNETH RACOMBO Onorab in terms of blue bond kot DBS, so far nou annan plis ki 6 lakonpannyen ki’n apply.

E parey mon’n dir nou’n fini aprouv pou enn.


E maksimonm ki ou kapab demande i $3milyon ou convert li into Seychelles Rupees.

Ou’n fer referans lo SMEs sa i pa neseserman pou donn larzan bann pti antreprener, me pou train zot.

An tou the target i pou train 100 antreprener ki spesifikman ladan i demande ki 50poursan i madanm, enkli zenn.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Wi klarifikasyon Onorab.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.


An relasyon avek sa blue bond DBS, ou’n dir mwan poudir i annan 6 lakonpannyen ki’n apply e zot pe sipoze pe apply pou en maksimonm of $3milyon.

E enn in aprouve e nou pe ariv lafen lannen 2022 la, so eski ou pe donn nou garanti ki by lannen prosenn, sa bann ki’n fini apply zot prosedir ki’n konplete, ki zot pou osi ganny akse ek finansman ki zot pou rode anba sa bond?

Eski ou pe donn nou en serten garanti?


Dezyenmman Mr Chairman, prenan kont ki Minis in koz ek mon lo sa merging of son bann Departman, i annan son management of zone Mahe plato, e i annan bann nouvo mezir ki SFA in met an plas regarding kontrol - sirtou bann demersal species.
Eski Departman Lapes i annan ase konpetans pou asiste SFA dan fer enforcement dan sa nouvo Polisi ki zot in propose, akoz in annan serten konsern dan sa Polisi vizavi responsabilite pou SFA enforce li, par bann dimoun ki aktiv dan Sekter Lapes Artizanal?

Mon dernyen pwen Mr Chairman … MR SPEAKER Wi be ou pe al lo nouvo kestyon la Onorab.

Les nou a pran sa bann kestyon.


Mon konnen ou… [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mon pa krwar Minis pa pou kapab reponn sa bann kestyon Mr Chairman.

I pou kapab reponn.

MR SPEAKER Non esper en kou, mon konnen ou abil dan pous regilasyon to the limit.

Me nou a pran sa bann kestyon apre nou a les bann Manm demann en pe.

Minis.
Minis.

THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Onorab ou pe demann mwan en kestyon pou - ou anvi en repons oubyen ou pa anvi en repons?

Akoz mannyer ou pe dir mon pa pou kapab reponn ou?

MR SPEAKER Ki sa ki ou pa kapab reponn Minis?

THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Non, akoz – (ou pa donn mwan lord ou.

Ou pa donn mon lord ou.)

MR SPEAKER Non, non, Minis silvouple (Interruption) MR SPEAKER Hold on!

Hold on!

Minis silvouple reponn kestyon.


THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Wi, non Mr Speaker, akoz avan mon’n reponn Onorab in dir mon pa pou kapab reponn.

Alors mon bezwen demann li si i demann mon en kestyon pou li anvi en repons, oubyen i pa anvi en repons.

De tout fason i pa pe gannyen en repons, akoz nou pe koz lo Polisi, ou pe ou kestyon i lo Polisi e la nou lo Bidze!

Alors ou a ganny en repons lo sa bout kot PS Racombo i kapab reponn ou.

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Non Minis eskiz mwan - eskiz mwan.

Mon konnen sa kestyon Polisi in monte, mwan dan Lasanble mon’n fer en lareg ki si en i bord lo Polisi, me i tou lo manda Bidze - ki dan Bidze nou touse lo bann kestyon Polisi.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 So annou pran en pe lasazes lo sa pwen.

(Off-Mic) MR SPEAKER Onorab esper en kou, esper en kou.

So annou silvouple - mon apresye ki bann repons i vin direk, concise lo kestyon – ok?
Me selman annou sey adres bann kestyon.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY (Off-Mic) MR SPEAKER Yes ki ou point of order Onorab?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker i annan en dimoun lo sa kote, i annan en dimoun la i annan en dimoun la.

Mwan sa ki mon’n dir ek Minis, mon’n dir Minis i kapab reponn sa bann kestyon.

Se sa ki mon’n dir - ou’n tann mwan ou, akoz ler ou’n dir ek mwan koumsa poudir, (Interruption) HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY … ler ou’n dir ek mwan koumsa poudir … (Interruption) MR SPEAKER Order!
HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Speaker ler ou’n dir ek mwan poudir mon’n demann - mon pe al lo lezot kestyon, mon demann ou Minis napa problenm pou reponn sa bann kestyon.

Minis Ferrari i annan son problenm personnel ek mwan.

In anvi ensilte mwan devan Lasanble - i ok sa!

Ok!

MR SPEAKER [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Ok mon pa pou al dan sa point of order.

Mon vreman pa soz - annou silvouple reponn bann kestyon.

Minis ou pe pas kestyon ek bann PS?

PS Racombo.


PS KENNETH RACOMBO Wi lo kote blue bond sa bann fakter Onorab, i pa pou lo Departman Blue Economy pou rather depan lo sa endividi, akoz i annan bann dokiman ki labank in demann zot pa kapab submit pou le moman.

So i pou only kapab - sa larzan ganny abzorbe once zot submit sa bann dokiman.

Sa i enn.

Epi dezyenm fakter i annan bann issue ki relate ek lenfrastriktir lo zone 14, ki en pti pe vin en challenge pou kapab abzorb sa larzan.

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Byen, ou annan kestyon ki pa’n ganny reponn?

Wi.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker mon al fer mon lekor kler.

Mon en dimoun ki kontan lapes.

SFA in entrodwir en nouvo Polisi ki mwan, mon krwar i en bon keksoz.

SFA nou ti zwenn ek li konman Lasanble e ti koz en keksoz difikilte ki i kapab gannyen dan enforcement sa Polisi.
Minis in koz lo management nou zone Mahe plato ki mwan konman en Seselwa mon konsernen akoz nou annan ase levidans pou montre ki serten nou bann lespes demersal;- par egzanp lespes bourzwa, pe konmans perdi dan nou delo.

E i annan kontrol ki’n ganny mete, sa ki mon ti pe demann Minis anba son Minister ki Departman Lapes.

In terms of Polisi, ki bann mezir i pe pran pou enforce sa?

(Be dan Standing Orders i dir poudir ou annan travay!)

MR SPEAKER Ale, dir nou keksoz spesifik.


HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY So mon kestyon spesifik se demann Minis, ki mezir i pe met an plas pou siport SFA dan son travay?

Se tou - napa nanryen pou li ankoler.

Mon pa konnen akoz.

Minis Ferrari i nerve … MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Silvouple arete avek sa bann zafer ankoler.

Minis son kestyon i demande ki mezir pe ganny met an plas pou siport SFA?

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Si i annan en repons mon ti ava apresye nou gannyen.
Si ou dir napa repons nou a move on.

Silvouple.

THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Mr Speaker avek respe.

Napa en repons, akoz i pa’n nonm Bidze.

Si i annan en keksoz pou fer ek Bidze mon a reponn li, me si i pe rode si nou annan konpetans, oubyen nou annan Polisi – tousala - nou annan Polisi, nou annan konpetans, nou annan leksperyans.

Me selman la i pa i napa nanryen pou fer avek Bidze.
Se pou sa ki mon pe sey dir li si i annan en kestyon lo Bidze demann en kestyon lo Bidze, mon ava reponn li.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Minis mon repons mon reponn ankor mon repet ankor, kestyon ki bord lo manda ou Minister, menm si i tous lo Bidze, lo Polisi, ki relye avek Bidze mon pe permet Manm demande silvouple e mon pe demann ou pou reponn.

Bon nou a pase, Minis pa anvi reponn lo sa kestyon nou a kontinyen.
HON WALLACE COSGROW (Off-Mic) MR SPEAKER Onorab Cosgrow eski ou kapab gard en pe respe pou Lasanble e evite kriye atraver lasal, mersi.

Onorab Esparon ou kestyon.

HON REGINA ESPARON Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman dabor mon ti ava kontan felisit Minis ek son lekip, pou zot Polisi lo sustainable fishing.

Mon kontan zot pe promot sustainable fishing pou ki nou bann lespes ki an danze pa ava ganny disparet, koumsa nou bann pti zanfan demen ava kapab trouve.
Premye kestyon Mr Chairman, mon pa pe war alokasyon pou gear store pou peser Glacis dan Bidze, petet Minis ti a kapab gid mon kote i ete.

Ki sonm ki i annan pou proteksyon gear store pou peser Glacis?

Kan i ekspekte konmanse parske nou’n ganny enn tanporer la e konbyen i pou koute?

Premye kestyon.

Dezyenm kestyon Minis, ti annan i annan en propozisyon pou relocate bazar pwason anvil, pou vin en pe pli pre avek lasose pou bann peser artizanal i antre.
Eski dan sa Bidze i annan en sonm ki’n allocate pou fer sa?

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Epi Minis zis en pti komanter mon 2 kestyon i ok en pti komanter.

Mon konnen poudir Minis ou dir bann peser Glacis zot in ganny en bazar servi.

Me selman i annan en pti defayans ki letan, letan soley i kouse ler peser i antre, soley i tap lo pwason.

Petet sa i ava annan en lot konversasyon pli tar pou gete ki mannyer nou kapab rektifye sa.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.


Nou annan 2 kestyon silvouple, si Minis i kapab adrese oubyen son zofisye?

THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker pou Glacis pou gear stores, Minis Finans ti anonse poudir sa i pou tonm anba Bidze SFA, me selman mon pou kapab donn ou detay.

Bann design in fini fer e i kot Planning pou permisyon.
I pou ganny tender par lafen Zanvye nou espekte e ladan i pou enkli boundary wall, gear store e road access e nou pe sey rod fason pou nou fer rod en tender pou in one lot - en sel kontrakter ki vin fer en sel travay.

Akoz nou’n war lannen pase ki ler i annan diferan kontrakter lo site i vin en pe konplike e cost in ganny estimate a R4milyon.

Ou dezyenm kestyon Onorab?


HON REGINA ESPARON Mon dezyenm kestyon i an relasyon avek relocation bazar Victoria, sirtou bazar pwason ti deza annan en pozisyon, kan sa pou ganny materyalize?

Mersi.

THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Mersi Onorab.

Onorab i annan en letid ki pe ganny fer si i posib pou servi sa landrwa ki mye koni ‘Dan Zonnyon’ ki pou STC la ki lo por.

Ki lo delo an fas avek Sea Harvest lo Por Artizanal.
E si sa i kapab ganny konverti, oubyen modifye, oubyen rekonstri pou nou kapab fer en wholesale market pou pwason pli pre avek kot bann pwason in ganny debarke.

So sa i touzour dan en letid ki pa ankor ganny konklir, me selman i en proze ki Gouvernman i anvi antreprann.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Vidot.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 HON AUDREY VIDOT Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonn apre midi Minis ek ou delegasyon e tou dimoun a lekout.
Mon premye kestyon i fer referans avek Blue Economy;- mon pe regard zot bann challenges ki annan pou fer avek shortage of specialized skilled pou strategic development of blue economy.

Zot annan poor management of martime boundaries; i annan pou fer ki pou ed zot lo kote human resource.

So mon fini war i annan en problenm staffing, pou rod bann dimoun kalifye petet dan sa bann domenn.

Alors mon oule regarde, akoz mon konpran kot Departman zot deza annan travayer ki’n resign, ki’n arete.
So eski ou kapab dir nou konbyen turnovers ki’n annan?

E mon pa pe war dan zot stratezi 2023, menm si zot annan Bidze pou zot adres petet sa bann issues of dimoun kalifye dan sa bann domenn?

Eski zot kapab eksplik nou si i annan en gran staff turnover konbyen, be it kanmenm i pti gin osi?

Me dir nou kwa ki zot pe fer pou zot adres sa bann issue, pou zot war ki mannyer zot kapab ganny bann dimoun kalifye dan sa bann domenn ki zot bezwen?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis.


THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker Onorab mersi pou ou kestyon.

Mon krwar selman ou pe konfiz Departman Lapes avek SFA.

SFA i en lot lorganizasyon.

Kot Departman, kot Departman Lapes napa okenn depar signifikan.

Bann travayer ki la se bann travayer ki la depi, depi en bonpe letan e nou pe kontinyen devlope pou nou recruit bann nouvo.
Kot SFA in annan plizyer travayer ki’n al dan bann - ki’n ganny promosyon dan bann lezot seksyon, ki’n al travay aletranze.

E nou ankor annan enn de ki pe bouze pou zot al travay aletranze e pou zot pran bann konsiltan par egzanp.

Me sa i toutafe normal i dan en rotasyon normal lakantite staff ki bouze.

Mersi.

Espere … MR SPEAKER … esper en kou nou annan dezyenm kestyon.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI PS i anvi - HON AUDREY VIDOT (Off-Mic) MR SPEAKER Atann.

PS pou reponn.

Ou’n demann 2 kestyon les repons apre ou a demann klarifikasyon.

PS?

PS KENNETH RACOMBO Onorab zis pou met keksoz an perspektiv;- Departman Blue Economy i annan 19 staff, i annan 2 ki’n arete, so mon pa pou tro kalifye li konman en high staff turnover.
Me selman par egzanp nou degre nou en coordinating Department nou bezwen diferan kalite skill.

Par egzanp ler ou pe negosye maritime boundary, legzanp ou bezwen spesifik skill ki ou bezwen annan.

E pou le moman whilst ki nou plan i pou anvoy bann staff ki nou annan - bann technical staff ki nou deza annan training, nou want serten laspe ki nou napa ekspertiz inside, through en Komite ki Departman li i akt konman Sekretarya.

Sa i nou plan.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Ou klarifikasyon prezan Onorab?


HON AUDREY VIDOT Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker premyerman mon a dir mersi PS Racombo.

Akoz ou’n, ou’n ekout byen mon kestyon.

Petet Onorab Ferrari i merit ekout byen letan nou demann kestyon.

Akoz mon’n dir spesifikman lo Bidze Blue Economy ki Minis ou’n rat sa sans pou ekoute.

Prezan mon klarifikasyon, lo sa 2 ki’n ale eski zot annan dan Bidze pou zot kapab ranplas sa bann travayer, oubyen si zot lekspertiz i deza difisil la lo marse lanplwa?

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi pou klarifikasyon.

Minis lekel ki pou adrese?

PS.

PS KENNETH RACOMBO Onorab kekfwa mon devret koriz mon lekor - in fact i annan enn ki’n ale, akoz mon’n dir ou sa lannen me selman sa lot ti al lannen [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 2021.

E enn i Information and Communication e laplikasyon nou ti annan bokou pou ranplas li - wi.
E sa dezyenm ki’n ale in al sa lannen e ki nou, nou pe fer - pou le moman nou pe servi internal skill, akoz nou pou annan en sistenm ki nou pou apel job enlargement.

So nou’n donn en current staff the additional duties eskan ler nou al idantifye en kandida solid pou ranplase.

Me parey Minis in dir, nou deza annan 2 staff ki’n ganny aprose pou kapab zwenn nou Departman.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Larue.

HON FLORY LARUE Bonn apre midi Mr Chair.

Mersi Mr Chair.
Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonn apre midi Minis avek ou delegasyon.

PS pou Blue Economy in fini reponn premye bout kestyon lo kote kantite staff ki zot annan.

Si zot ti kapab dir konbyen ki dan Departman Fisheries?

E dan sa bann kantite staff lekel ki spesifikman dan Departman Legal?

Mon dezyenm kestyon i baze lo lefe ki pou fisheries i annan sa program 1 - sa en progranm e i baze around sipor pou biro, biro Minis.

E lefe ki nou konnen ki i annan en Lalwa ki pe vini pou Fisheries - nouvo Lalwa.
E eski zot annan ase sipor within the Ministry pou zot kapab anmenn sa travay ki bezwen ganny fer pou sa nouvo Bill ki ki nou espekte gannyen byento?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

PS Fisheries?

PS ROY CLARISSE Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Dan Departman Lapes nou annan nou 16 staff.

Me selman nou annan 1 staff akoz nou ansanm avek Departman Lekonomi Ble so nou share en pe bann staff ki non- technical.

An term technical staff li menm dan Departman Lapes, nou annan nou 4.
E pou le moman nou napa en zofisye legal, me sa i enn bann demann ki nou ti’n fer atraver Minister Finans, pou nou ganny en zofisye legal.

I domaz nou pa’n gannyen, mon hope ki nou ava ganny li 2024.

Me selman i annan serten laranzman ki Minister Finans in fer, ki nou pe travay ansanm avek Departman Lekonomi Ble, pou [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 nou kapab finans e rekrit en zofisye legal pou ed nou.
Me pou le moman vi ki nou, nou napa personn in-house, nou pe servi zofisye legal kot SFA, pou ed nou avek sa, sa travay kot i annan pou fer avek bann keksoz lega ;-l sirtou renouvelman Lalwa Lapes.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Dezyenm kestyon eski in ganny reponn?

Ki ou pe rode la - en kestyon ki pa’n ganny reponn, oubyen klarifikasyon ?

Onorab ale, yes?

HON FLORY LARUE Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi PS.


Lefe ki mon dezyenm kestyon ti baze lo staff i la pou siport biro Minis dapre progranm, e lefe ki i annan sa bann kad legal ki pe vini, mon war ki i annan en increase pou staff;- eski sa i spesifikman pou lo kote legal?

Akoz pou le moman ki mannyer i ete SFA ki pe fer sa travay.

Eski plis sipor pou ganny donnen Minister, akoz deza kantite staff i pti git, pou zot kapab vin pli efikas san sa Lotorite?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Lekel ki pou reponn?


PS Clarisse wi?

PS ROY CLARISSE Mersi Mr Chair.

Annefe pou nou, nou rekritman ki nou annan pou 2023 nou pe recruit en Director General e sa Direkter Zeneral i pou ede osi tou pou travay en pe lo sa bann, lo sa bann ankadreman legal ek bann pa neseserman en dimoun legal.

Me pou osi asiste avek sa bann Lagreman e bann lobligasyon ki nou annan pou travay lo la.

Me i pa en pos legal per se.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Cosgrow?


HON WALLACE COSGROW Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair mon bann kestyon i baze lo Bidze pou Minis.

Annefe lo Bidze Blue Economy - mon ti dir avek Minis Finans dan mon repons Bidze konmkwa ki zot pe ankor anpandan lo bann linisyativ Gouvernman avan.

E la mon anvi antre spesifikman lo en keksoz dan Bidze Blue Economy, an se ki konsern sa bann grants sa bann non-produced assets, non-financial assets non-produced assets.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 85milyon 84milyon lannen pase tousala i bann initiatives, bann incentives depi en bonpe lannen avan.

Eski Minis i kapab dir nou, si zot annan lide or si zot annan nouvo initiatives ki zot pe anmennen konman en Minister, pou war bann nouvo avenues pou kapab increase lenvestisman, aside from bann traditional sources of financing pou increase lenvestisman dan Sekter Lapes?
Akoz la mon pe war swio fish, SeyCCat, DBS which is detrwa lannen pase sa, i bann keksoz ki bezwen ganny ki pe vin a laporte dimoun.

Apre lo menm zafer la si lannen pase - I mean sa 2022 la, ki kantite ladan ki’n ganny servi?

Si ou annan figures poudir nou kantite ki’n ganny konsonmen dan sa 84milyon?

Apre mon lot kestyon i konsernan joint management area, mon pe get dan Bidze Blue Economy, mon war en Bidze SP 2 pou maritime boundary delimitation.
Eski sa joint manage area avek Maurice i tonm anba sa e ki bann aktivite ki zot pe fer dan joint management area?

E eski the issue of deep sea mining – an vi ki Prezidan in deklare ki souvandfwa ki nou bezwen protect the seagrass of sa area, eski sa issue of deep sea mining i enn ki lo radar Gouvernman e ki zot pozisyon lo la silvouple?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.


Onorab an sa ki konsern sa bann, sa bann diferan progranm innovative financing, mon pa konnen si ou ti espekte ki ler en nouvo Gouvernman pou vini, pou zet tou sa ki sa ansyen Gouvernman in fer.

Nou pa travay koumsa nou.


Si i annan keksoz si i annan keksoz ki pe mars byen e ki bann teknisyen in travay byen lo la, in fer bann bon, bann bon travay e ler mwan, mon ti dan sa Lasanble mon’n apiye, pou ki nou annan sa bann innovative financing, se ki nou kit zot e devlop zot en pe plis.
Me selman pou lavenir nou, nou ti a - Polisi Gouvernman oubyen son politik se pou sey war ki mannyer nou kapab, plito ki zis rod finansman pou finans nou bann devlopman, nou ankouraz sekter prive pou antre dan lenvestisman zot menm.

E sa nou pe fer bokou atraver sistenm aquaculture, kot nou anvi ki bann lenvestisman se bann lenvestisman prive komersyal.

Nou pa kapab run en pei tou lazournen lo lasistans lo zis donn [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 bann grants.
So sa i en premye letap e la prezan nou pe fer en kantite travay lenformasyon avek bann Lazans deor.

Nou’n fer li avek BlueInvest Africa, avek partou kot nou, kot nou annan posibilite pou nou ankouraz bann envestiser pou vin antre dan, dan lekonomi.

Pa bann progranm ki toultan i annan bann subsidy.

So sa i son politik zeneral.

E sa i diferans ant sa Gouvernman avek Gouvernman avan.

Prezan mon pa konnen si PS i kapab donn ou enn de repons pli spesifik lo sa bann progranm.

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Wi apre nou annan lo joint management area.

Nou a pas kestyon avek PS.

PS ?

PS KENNETH RACOMBO Mersi Mr Speaker.

Onorab zis pou mon azout lo sa ki Minis in dir.

Parey ou pou trouve dan 2024 i pa aparet okenn swio fish e eksetera.

Me selman akoz sa i annan diskisyon ki ongoing.

Parey ou pou okouran sa fon ki nou annan i target prensipalman value addition in the fisheries sector.
Gouvernman in diskit avek World Bank pou expand li e obviously pou zot expand li zot pou bezwen esper sa premye faz in 2023 konplete, epi pou gete si nou kapab expand li pou target marine biology avek the circular economy.

An konsernan the GMA ki nou annan avek Maurice, enn nou priyorite ki nou bezwen fer la, i ki nou bezwen fer the marine special plan.
Akoz nou bezwen fer the marine special plan pou idantifye dan sak zone ki sekter - ki morso oubyen ki zone nou pa pou touse e ki zone ki annan bann potansyel ekonomik.

An relevans to deep sea bed mining nou pa ankor pran en pozisyon formel lo la.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Wi klarifikasyon Onorab ?

HON WALLACE COSGROW Yes Mr Chair.

Zis en klarifikasyon pou klarifye mon lekor akoz i paret mwan Minis pa’n konpran mwan.
Ler nou pe get laliny Bidze lo blue bonds Minis i pa larzan donnen sa, i loan ki ganny met a sekter prive pou envestir.

Parey i ti pou al Nouvobanq parey i ti pou al Absa sa ki mon pe dir Minis.

E osi Minis kantite sa bann grants - bann pti grants [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 ki donn bann startup la i pa en, en dezoner bokou pei i fer sa.

Akoz startup pa kapab ganny akse avek kredi kot labank, pou li kapab start up en innovative idea.
So Minis mwan, mon ti krwar ou bokou pli clever ki sa i paret mwan ou pa tro, tro konpran sa bann zafer.

Mersi.

(Interruption) MR SPEAKER Bon sa, Onorab, Onorab sa dernyen komanter pa ti neseser.

Minis mon pe demann ou korperasyon, obviously i annan en nespes rankin dan Lasanble.

Mon pa konnen si i avek ou oubyen si i avek Gouvernman LDS, selman mon pe demann ou, ou dan Lasanble silvouple annou reponn kestyon annou evite antre dan bann deba lo politik devan and so on.
Silvouple mon bezwen sa korperasyon.

Si ou annan en repons pou kestyon sa Manm Onorab mon a ekout li silvouple.

THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Non, Wi mersi Mr Speaker.

Mon konpran ou byen.

Non mon repons pou Onorab se ki si li i ti pli malen, i pa ti pou la i ti pou ankor dan Gouvernman!

Mersi.

(APPLAUSE) MR SPEAKER Bann – (Interruption) MR SPEAKER Eskiz mwan, mon’n tann bann Manm LDS pe aplodi.

Minis mon pa tro kontan sa latitid, mersi.

Si - (Interruption) MR SPEAKER Hold on!


- Hold on!

Mon espekte ki Minis i reponn en kestyon e ki i evite antre dan bann provokasyon silvouple.

Onorab Georges ou annan en pwen.

HON BERNARD GEORGES [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Wi.

MR SPEAKER Ki en pwen a point of order oubyen kwa?


HON BERNARD GEORGES Non, non, non, non Mr Chair mon pe zis demann ou lendilzans, an vi en kestyon ki Onorab Cosgrow in demande e ki PS Racombo in reponn lo deep seabed mining, mon ti anvi demann en pti kestyon arising out of.

Mon konpran ki i pa letan, me mon demann mwan si sa i pa en bon moman pou mon fer sa.

Akoz nou lo sa topik.

Zis en pti kestyon.

MR SPEAKER Sanmenm mon dir ou kapab demann sa kestyon ou pe zis sot lord.

Ok go ahead.
Ok go ahead.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mon pa ti’n demann laparol.

MR SPEAKER Yes, ale.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Eski mon kapab demann avek - Mersi Mr Speaker pou ou lendilzans.

Me mon krwar i ava enportan.

Eski PS Racombo i kapab dir nou ki kantmenm Gouvernman pa’n pran en pozisyon lo deep sea bed mining, nou’n kantmenm pran en pozisyon ki nou pou sipor en moratwar ziska ler lasyans i diriz nou, lo si nou devret oubyen si nou pa devret?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Panel i annan en repons ?


PS KENNETH RACOMBO Onorab mon pou sey koriz mon lekor nou pa’n pran en pozisyon formel lo la.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Tre byen bon.

Klarifikasyon.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Speaker … MR SPEAKER Ki klarifikasyon ou pe rode Onorab.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Speaker zis lo sa pwen ki Onorab Georges in leve akoz i en pwen enportan.

Sa size deep seabed mining i annan en moratwar lo la.
Sa ki nou pe klarifye, se eski sa pozisyon enformel ki nou’n pran, nou’n pran li an relasyon avek moratwar oubyen nou pran en pozisyon an relasyon ek deep seabed mining?

Sa ki mon ti pe sey klarifye, mon pa tro konpran.

MR SPEAKER PS i dir, in dir zot pa ankor pran en pozisyon formel lo la.

Sa that’s the answer.

Mersi.

Mon pe rode kot mon’n arive la - mon’n ariv kot Onorab Arissol.

HON SANDY ARISSOL Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonn apre midi bonswar Minis avek ou lekip.


Mon ti anvi demann ou Mr Chair anvi ki SFA pa feature lo la, selman i tonm anba Minis si mon kapab demann 2 pti kestyon an relasyon lo sa pou li reponn?

MR SPEAKER Wi mon pou permet ou demann sa kestyon, si Minis i santi poudir i pa devret donn en repons i a kapab dir mwan.

Onorab?
Onorab?

HON SANDY ARISSOL I lo Bidze annefe parske letan mon pe get anba, anba Fisheries i annan sa Polisi pou Fisheries Policy and Development, mon ti anvi demann ou anvi ki Bel Ombre parey ou konnen nou annan processing plant - nou annan 2 Bel Ombre.

Mon ti a kontan zisteman demann ou an relasyon avek Bidze ki nou pe donn zot, ki zistans in arive avek processing plant lo konblaz Bel Ombre?

Lekel ki’n gannyen?

Si i an mars?


Si i pe prodwir pou ki larzan i retourn dan lekonomi pei, zisteman pou nou ganny larzan dan Bidze an relasyon avek sa?

E letan mon lo processing plant, i annan osi kot Mr Loizeau i ete isi devan, mon pe demann avek zot kan zot pou kapab ganny [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 en koze avek li, pou nou kapab annan en bon sistenm baraz la kot i process son bann pwason.
Parske letan i pe fer son processing bannla i process lasel, zot process lirin, zot process drog lanmenm.

Pou nou annan en lord dan sa landrwa.

Mon premye kestyon.

Mon dezyenm mon ti a kontan demann avek Minis, kekfwa an relasyon avek SFA letan zot pe zer zot larzan - mon kontan letan tou lezot distrik in ganny zot bann fasilite.

E parey ou konnen Minis, Bel Ombre nou’n ganny montre plizyer proze en pti landrwa pou nou bann peser.
Parske parey ou konnen i annan en kantite konplent an relasyon avek sa pti landrwa ki nou servi, kekfwa kan Gouvernman ansanm avek SFA, Departman Lapes, zot pou met ansanm en pti larzan pou ki nou bann peser osi kapab ganny en pti zoli fasilite pou ki zot aret ganny konplent ki zot fer dezord, zot fer tapaz?

Se tou Mr Chair, mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis ou repons?

THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Mersi Onorab.

Mersi Mr Speaker.
Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker lo son dezyenm kestyon, mon ti a kontan dir avek Onorab ki nou annan en pe difikilte avek alokasyon later - bann later dan sa landrwa ki pa kler.

E nou annan enta travay ki nou pe fer - pa zis Bel Ombre me dan plizyer landrwa pou nou kapab sort out lekel ki owner, lekel ki ansarz sa bann later.

Se sa ki fer ki nou annan parler nou annan en pe difikilte avek serten dimoun ki met container dan landrwa e nou pe sey met en pe lord.
Nou’n gannyen Bel Ombre en bon konversasyon avek bann operater ki la e enn bann keksoz ki nou pe al fer se ki nou pe al sa operater pe al bar son landrwa.

E i pou permet nou fer en pti, en pti landrwa detant pou bann peser, ki nou’n promet zot.

E sa kontrakter ki on site pou le moman, akoz i annan en kontrakter ki on site e ki pe fer ki pe repar bann fasilite lo, lo loading la - lo sa slipway la.

E sa kontrakter in ok pou ki fer sa pti landrwa pou detant.
Donk sa i deza keksoz ki nou anvi fer, pou nou fasilit e ankouraz bann peser ki dan sa landrwa.

Ler ou al an deor lo konblaz, i annan bann processing plant, la sa se bann processing plant ki’n ganny fer depi en pe letan e ki pa’n zanmen fini.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Akoz son floor parey ou konnen son floor pa’n ganny fer i en pe en louvraz en pe demi, demi malgol ki ti ganny fer.
E prezan nou solisyon ki nou annan se pou nou akoz non in fini allocate pou nou merge ansanm 2 sa bann plant i annan 6 zot - i annan 4 zot.

So i pou annan 2 operater nou pou bezwen donn zot 2 plant sakenn e sa nou pe finaliz - nou’n fini allocate PS.

E nou pe donn permisyon pou antre pou zot fer zot fer sa bann modifikasyon ki merit ganny fer.

Malerezman Mr Onorab, dan plizyer sa bann landrwa e enkli Providence, nou’n erit bann fasilite ki pa lo standar ki’n ganny fer ki’n ganny kas kontour en pe.
E sa i pran letan pou nou kapab met en pe lord avek sa bann fasilite.

Me selman nou pe avanse e mon konnen ki Bel Ombre zot en pe enpasyan, me selman keksoz pe vini.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Gill.

HON CHURCHILL GILL Mersi Mr Chair.

Bonn apre midi Minis avek ou delegasyon.

Mon kestyon i lo ler ou ti fer ou summary ou ti mansyonn bann Lagreman ki’n sinyen ki zot in - ou’n kapab konplete.
Mon kestyon se dan lespri pou nou diversifye nou lekonomi e fisheries i enn ki pe ganny targete pou nou kapab fer bokou pli byen, eski dan bann negosyasyon ki nou’n fini sinyen dan bann lagreman.

Nou’n ganny the best deal oubyen nou’n ganny sa ki ti posib pou gannyen?

E si kondisyon pou negosye ti diferan, eski Sesel ti kapab ganny plis ki nou’n gannyen la?

Sa premye.
Sa premye.

Dezyenm lo sa 10milyon, eski sa - akoz ou’n mansyonnen bann dimoun ki zot aplikasyon pa konplet - mon kestyon se eski availability sa 10milyon i pou la pou en bonpe letan, oubyen sa bann dimoun pou annan serten letan ki zot devret konplet zot bann dokimantasyon pou kapab clear sa?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis repons?

THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Mr Speaker mon ava koz lo sa bann negosyasyon.
E mon ti a kontan konmanse par felisit mon lekip ki fer sa bann negosyasyon [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 ki ganny anmennen par PS Clarisse, ki vreman en travay tre difisil e tre detaye ki bezwen ganny fer.

E Onorab bokou sa bann Lagreman Lapes la, parey mon’n dir pli boner in en pe an retar.

Nou pa’n on top of our game pou nou revwar zot ler zot vini tou le 5an, oubyen tou le-zan, oubyen tou le 6an parey avek Linyon Eropeen.
Par egzanp mon ava donn zot dernyen Lagreman ki’n ganny re negosye ki’n ganny met azour se Lagreman avek bann long-liners sorti Taiwan.

E sa sot dernyen negosyasyon ti an 2007 e la nou 2022 e pa ti ankor annan okenn, okenn reaktilizasyon konmsi pou reget bann figures.

E sa in fer ki wi, byensir ler nou’n negosye nou’n kapab ganny nou en logmantasyon ant 37 - 37 mon krwar a 42poursan logmantasyon lo bann license fees ki zot ti pe peye.
E sa i tir nou dan 52milyon - avek zis dan sa lakor - 52milyon par an;- R52milyon par an, pou anmenn nou R67milyon par an.

Donk R15milyon an plis e se pou sa ki mon anvi felisit mon bann negosyater akoz en kantite progre ki nou’n fer.

E pou menm zafer pou nou Lagreman avek Maurice, mon krwar nou’n ganny nou en substantial ogmantasyon lo bann fees ki zot pe donnen.

Lannen prosen i tonm 3an apre Lakor avek Linyon Eropeen e i annan en Mid-term Review ki pe al ganny fer an Mars, Avril lannen prosen.
Deza PS avek, avek son lekip ki ti Brussel mwan pase, zot in deza konmans koz avek Linyon Eropeen, pou gete ki mannyer nou kapab apre 3an gete si nou pa kapab aziste pti morso.

Akoz parler ler nou esper tro bokou letan ler ou dir ou pri zot dir ou i tro bokou.

So nou, nou pe sey fer fason met azour e up-to- date avek tou sa bann Lagreman Lapes.
Akoz nou konsyan - nou konsyan ki nou resours i annan en kantite valer kantite dimoun i anvi vin lapes resours e nou bezwen fer sir ki zot pe pey nou sa ki zot merit pey nou.

So mon pa ankor satisfe ki nou pe ganny tou sa ki nou merit gannyen, me selman i annan ankor lespas pou nou kontinyen negosye e pou nou kapab ganny sa ki pli meyer pou Sesel ankor dan, dan bann lezot negosyasyon.

Mon a pas dezyenm kestyon avek PS Racombo.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER PS wi.


PS KENNETH RACOMBO [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Onorab nou investment fund ki nou annan donn DBS i en revolving fund - meaning nou, nou komitman ki nou annan avek DBS e nou bezwen donn larzan kot pa tranches.

Dan dernyen tranche ki nou pou donn zot another $2million ki nou pou donn zot lannen prosen.

Sanmenm sa ki ou pou war dan 2024 i pou aparet.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Labonte?

HON ANDY LABONTE Mersi Mr Chair.


Bonswar Minis avek ou panel.

Mr Chair mon kestyon i osi i baze plizoumwen lo SFA petet Minis si ti annan sa lenformasyon, i ti a kapab donn ou en pti klarifikasyon.

E mon krwar i konnen kwa ki mon pe al koz lo la in regards to nou proze bazar English River, si nou ti kapab konnen ki staz in arive e kan nou pe espekte ki nou kapab gannyen?

Akoz mon pa war nanryen anba Bidze ki’n ganny mete.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis.


THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Mersi Onorab.

Wi mon’n war ou bann ou plizyer email ki ou’n anvoye lo sa size.

Mon ti a kontan dir ou ki dernyen lenformasyon ki mon annan se ki pou English River planning approval in ganny resevwar.

Nou pe esper bann desen detaye.

Enn bann difikilte se pou nou kapab finalize si ki kantite konblaz ki nou bezwen fer dan sa landrwa la, dan sa link ant Radyo Sesel avek Ile Du Port.
Donk sa i en pti konplikasyon me selman bann Planning approval in ganny resevwar.

Konstriksyon i devret kapab konmanse boner lannen prosen parey nou ti promet.

E i annan R5.5milyon ki’n ganny earmark pou sa proze.

So mersi pou ou pasyans e keksoz pe vini mon krwar.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Onorab ou’n deza demann kestyon.

Point of order - Kwa?

Wi, wi.

HON WALLACE COSGROW Mr Chairman zis en pti klarifikasyon, mon pa pe deranz deba mwan.
Mon pa ti konnen si nou pe demann osi kestyon lo bann [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 proze SFA.

Si nou ti konnen mon osi mon ti annan kestyon lo proze SFA.

Mon ti krwar nou pe diskit lo Bidze Minister avek Blue Economy, so donn nou gidans silvouple.

Si nou kapab demann kestyon lo SFA proze, akoz si SFA ki antreprann bann proze fisheries.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Mon, mon pe pran bann kestyon ki mon konsider i lezitim pou sa Minister.
Si Minis prezan i dir i pa kapab reponn sa kestyon mon pa kapab fors li reponn.

Selman mon pe pran bann kestyon ok me selman Onorab ou’n fini demann ou bann kestyon sorry.

Nou a kontinyen.

Mon a permet lezot demann kestyon.

Onorab Adelaide.

HON FRANCOIS ADELAIDE Mersi Mr Chair.

Bon apre midi Minis avek ou delegasyon.

Minis dabor felisitasyon pou tou bann proze ki ou pe fer.

E nou war poudir ki zot pe byen debourye.


Me selman nou Baie Lazare, petet dan Bidze eski petet i annan en pti keksoz pou Baie Lazare sirtou la kot Mr Henry Barallon parey nou ti koze so en zoli site pou nou fer zoli zafer;- manke i pe tann mon la i byen kontan?

So petet pou konsidere.

Apre mon annan en pti issue.

Bokou bann manrmay konmela i konn zis bwat ton zot pa konnen sa vre pwason laser ton.

E ti annan en proze ki nou pou anmenn sa ton fre lo latab Kreol.
Ki zistans zot in arive avek sa bann keksoz?

E petet dan Bidze ki bann sipor ki zot annan pou bann Lasosyasyon Peser parey nou Baie Lazare pou nou kapab debourye e ed Gouvernman pou nou met pwason a laporte piblik?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis.

THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Mersi Onorab.

Onorab ou dernyen kestyon nou annan en kantite sipor ki nou anvi donn bann Lasosyasyon Peser e nou anvi ki zot organiz zot lekor.
Bann ki’n byen organize i annan en kantite benefis ki zot kapab gannyen ;- kantite sipor ki teknik ki en bann advise sa mon kapab dir ou.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Par egzanp mwan, mon fer li mon devwar mon fek sorti anler dan leo Scotland anler dan Shetland islands avek en gran delegasyon e ladan ti annan 5 peser, akoz mwan, mon anvi ki toultan kapab - e sa 5 peser i sorti dan bann Lasosyasyon Peser.
E mon akoz mon anvi konmsi toultan dekouver bann lezot pratik ki pe pase atraver lemonn.

Donk sa i en demars ki toultan pou kontinyen ganny fer.

E kekfwa si sa voyaz peser Baie Lazare pa’n benefisye lot voyaz zot ava benefisye.

I annan en pe travay ki mon pe fer mon fek pe koz avek Onorab Glacis pou nou fer sa travay avek bann peser Glacis.

An sa ki konsern - ou’n nonmen bokou bann manrmay pa tro konnen ki nou pe fer.

I konn zis bwat ton -en kantite travay nou fer avek bann manrmay.
E la bomaten nou sorti dan en travay avek bann zenn Lekol Maritim, avek bann zenn manrmay lekol Mont Fleuri, pou nou kapab angaz avek zot pou nou promot konsomasyon pwason dan fanmir.

I dan bann lakour.

E nou’n fer bann donasyon pou tou bann lekol pou kapab zisteman pou fer sa kalite piblisite.

Alors travay i la.

E an sa ki konsern bann lenfrastriktir parey kekfwa ou ti pe sizere ki annan ki annan pou Baie Lazare.
Nou annan en kantite travay pe ganny fer o nivo rezyonnal e parey ou konnen nou annan en, en bon mannyer proze avek bann peser Anse La Mouche ki pou benefisye e Anse Boileau e Baie Lazare, akoz Anse La Mouche i dan milye.

E sa nou pe konsantre lo sa enn rezyonnal pou le moman e ler nou a kapab fer en zoli proze la - parey nou’n fer lezot landrwa - nou ava kapab bouz en pe lo Baie Lazare.

Alors ou konnen ou poudir sipor i la.


Mon fek pe koz ek ou Prezidan Lasosyasyon - Chairman ou Lasosyasyon, i konnen poudir nou pe travay pou fer en bon keksoz pou Baie Lazare.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Ou annan klarifikasyon Onorab?

Nou a kontinyen, mersi.

Onorab Andre.

HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Mersi Mr Chair.
Mr Chair letan nou pe get lo paz 87 anba major achievements ki’n ganny fer pandan 2021-2022, ladan i annan ‘’conclusion of the Seychelles flag purse seiners fishing agreement.’’ [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Apre nou annan 2 ki koz lo ‘initiated negotiation with Seychelles flag industrial long line fishing vessel’ avek ‘initiated negotiation with foreign flag industrial long line fishing.’ Mon ti a kontan demann Minis, an vi letan i ti Lasanble, i ti enn son priyorite pou demann avek Gouvernman sa letan, ki Lasanble - sirtou reprezantan ACPEU i ganny mete lo negosyasyon avek Linyon Eropeen.
Akoz ler nou, nou al bann JPA - Lapes, Klima ensidswit i tonm par bann keksoz ki nou demande.

So nou bezwen konn sa an gro.

So ki pe ganny fer, akoz mon pa war okenn Bidze pou follow-up lo la?
Dezyenmman Mr Chair, se mon pe get lo ‘approved new spending’ lo latab 3 lo paz 89, i annan en recruitment of director mon konnen PS in - Director General in koz en pe lo la, ki met ‘’planning and monitoring of the fisheries sector support under the EU fisheries agreement.’’ An referans avek sa, mon pou zis demann Minis ki pozisyon nou ete, akoz sa se anba sa EU agreement framework ki nou tonm bann bazar, ki pozisyon nou ete avek bazar Anse Aux Pins?
E si i posib pou nou al fer en vizit pou donn en kontrandi bann zabitan?
Lo Blue Economy i annan en kestyon, se letan i dan strategic priorities 2023-2025 in mete ki ‘’create an enabling environment by enhancing advocacy on the Blue Economy agenda; strengthening relationships with key stakeholders and improvement improving research and development, in order to further support the development of the sector.’’ Mon pe gete si - ki Bidze zot in mete e ki travay zot pe planifye, pou zot fer sa advocacy arive e ki i ava dekoul dan lasosyete li menm?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.


Minis?

THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI 3 kestyon Mr Speaker.

Nou ava sey reponn vitman.

Mon ava reponn sa enn lo bazar Anse Aux Pins.

PS Clarisse i ava reponn lo negosyasyon e PS Racombo i ava reponn lo finansman lo bann progranm Blue Economy.

Onorab mersi pou ou kestyon.

Anse Aux Pins proze i on target pou le moman.

I on target e i espekte pare dan Mars, Avril lannen prosenn.
[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 In annan serten konplikasyon avek.

E parey dan tou proze - tou proze ki ou fer parey Onorab Esparon ki mannyer in dir nou, pozisyonnman serten keksoz kot bazar Glacis, kekfwa i pa’n 100poursan.

Toultan i annan sa bann pti keksoz.

E dan tou proze ki nou’n fer menm Cascade ki nou fek fini konplete e mon konnen ki Onorab i byen satisfe.

Me selman in annan enn de bann pti lazistaz ki ti merit fer e mon krwar nou’n fer.
E nou pe kontinyen gete.

Me selman en slab pou nou mete pou bann dimoun ki netway pwason, pou vann kliyan.

Donk proze i 80poursan pros pare pou konplete e i ekspekte annan serten varyasyon lo la, kekfwa son kou pou i kapab mont en pti pe.

Alors avan ki nou avan ki sa bann cost i monte, nou pe angaz nou avek Procurement Oversight Unit dan Gouvernman, pou fer sir ki nou ganny tou bann lotorizasyon pou fer sir ki nou ganny pou fer keksoz byen - byen dapre Lalwa.

Ok?
Ok?

So mon kapab reasir ou ki keksoz i ava ok. Pou bann negosyasyon … pardon?

Anr wi Onorab mon reste pa tro lwen avek Anse Aux Pins.

Anytime mon anvi ou santi poudir ou kapab fer en vizit donn mwan en call ler nou pe monte, oubyen mon pe desann, nou kapab arete get en kou avek … Me selman i annan bann peser pou join nou.

Pou sa ki konsern negosyasyon, mon ti ava zis dir ou Onorab, pou Linyon Eropeen par egzanp, ki toultan - vre mon’n dir ki nou bezwen involve bann Parlmanter.
Me selman mwan osi mon ti a kontan ki - mon pa ti a kontan al laba avek bann Parlmanter ki pa ede;- ki zis la pou kritike.

Konmsi i enportan.

Par egzanp tou sa travay ki nou’n fer ziska prezan, bannla in war zis kritik lo la, i pa’n war nanryen ki bon.

E sa i fer ki … (Off-Mic) MR SPEAKER Onorab!

(Off-Mic) MR SPEAKER Sorry?

Stop!

Onorab Loze ou ki’n kriye la?

(Off-Mic) [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Li menm!
MR SPEAKER Be mon pou demann ou apologies, oubyen sorti dan lasal.

Yes?

HON JOHAN LOZE Mon apologies Mr Speaker, pou lapenn mon dir Minis Ferrari ki nou fer egzakteman sa ki li in toultan fer!

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Wi, Onorab?

HON JOHAN LOZE I apologies Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Ou apologies?

HON JOHAN LOZE Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Se sa ki mon dir, si nou annan en lespri korperasyon - en lespri met Sesel premye, napa problenm Onorab.
E mon envite – mon ti a kontan avek Onorab William, toultan nou annan sa bann bon korperasyon.

So annou fer li, annou fer li e annou travay ansanm pou nou kapab lev nou paviyon;- pa pou nou met pei dan bann negosyasyon enternasyonal.

Parkont prezan PS Clarisse i ava dir zot lo bann dernyen negosyasyon ki nou’n fer.

MR SPEAKER PS?

PS ROY CLARISSE Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.


Onorab parey ou okouran letan ou en pei ki pe anrezistre bato, flag bato anba bann Konvansyon Enternasyonal ou annan serten lobligasyon legal ki ou bezwen pran.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 E nou ziska prezan nou ti napa okenn framework legal ki ankadre nou bann bato industrial long liners ek purse seiners.

Nou bann bato ki nou apel li nou bato ton.


So sa lannen nou’n konplet negosyasyon lo sa 2 e pou annan lagreman avek bann operater ki annan bato ki flot paviyon Sesel pou an tou purse seiners ek long liners.

E nou’n osi tou profit dan sa letan negosyasyon pou ogmant zot bann license fees osi tou ki zot peye.

E fer sir ki zot tonm anba en kad legal.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Ti annan en dernyen kestyon PS Racombo ti pou adrese?

PS KENNETH RACOMBO Onorab advocacy i ganny fer dan diferan fason dan departman.
Premyerman nou annan en communication and strategic plan ki nou’n devlope.

E sa i ganny lead by en communication officer premyerman.

Epi dezyenmman parey ou pou konnen tou bann international corporating partners e ler zot donn ou fon, zot allocate en fon pou fer kominikasyon around sa proze ki zot pe fer.

E sa i pa leksepsyon pou dan sa proze ki nou gannyen circle economy, pou devlop marine technology epi bann ki relate to blue bond.
E trwazyenmman and more targeted, nou annan en proze kot nou pe revise the school curriculum.

Nou pe fer sa an, an partenarya avek Departman Ledikasyon, kot nou pe include ocean literacy in the school curriculum.

Epi staff Blue Economy i annan en progranm kot tou le Lendi zot selekte en lekol kot zot ale, zot al fer en zot sensitization.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Pillay ou annan en lot point of order?

Les mwan dir ou mon fatige avek ou bann point of order ki napa sibstans!
Si ou annan en point of order ki valab, mon aksepte.

Silvouple?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mon napa en point of order, mon annan en matter of privilege.

MR SPEAKER Yes.

[Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Pandan letan ki kestyon pe ganny demande, Minis Ferrari in refize reponn tou kestyon ki konsern SFA ki mon kote latab in demande.

In reponn tou kestyon ki konsern SFA ki lot kote latab in demande.
An se ki konsern proze - an se ki konsern lo manda SFA.

Ou menm ou ou’n tande.

E ou sa ki ou’n dir ek nou se ki, si li i pa’n reponn i pa le reponn.

Prezan mon ti a kontan ganny en gidans ek ou, lekel ki ansarz Lasanble, eski se Minis Ferrari oubyen se Speaker Mancienne?

Akoz Minis Ferrari i vin la pou reponn kestyon bann Manm!

Onorab Vidot i demann li en kestyon Minis Ferrari i al dan en nespes kalite lesplikasyon, akoz i pa kapab reponn.

E montre en mank respe pou Lasanble Nasyonal!


E prezan kote ankor nou war en problenm.

Onorab Andre i Manm ki attend lamazorite meeting ACPU.

Onorab Andre i demann li en kestyon regarding including bann Manm ACPU, dan plas reponn kestyon Onorab Andre, i vire i maltret Manm lo sa kote latab e dir bann Manm ki pou vin fer dezord dan meeting ACPU.

Pou mwan Mr Speaker sa … Ou pe dir mwan napa sibstans?

Mon pa konnen kantite sibstans mon bezwen montre?

Piblik i war li menm.

MR SPEAKER Mon’n tann tou.


Mersi.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY … So en Minis ki napa respe pou Lasanble mon pa konnen kisisa mwan!

MR SPEAKER Mersi bokou.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY I fer lapenn pou war en Minis koumsa.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Sa dernyen remark i malapropo Onorab.

Mon pa pou al dan prosedir pou apologies mon pou al ganny … Selman mon pou fer - mon pou repet mon lekor lo sa pwen ki pe ganny adrese.

Mwan, mon pe demann Minis pou reponn kestyon.


E mon pou demann Minis pou reponn kestyon lo SFA, akoz mon krwar [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 SFA i dan son Minister.

Si Minis pa oule reponn mwan, mon pa kapab fors Minis reponn.

Selman mon pe dir li mon espekte ki i kapab reponn sa bann kestyon.

Fotespere sa i kler.

Onorab William poz ou kestyon.

HON WAVEN WILLIAM Mersi Mr Chairman.

Bonn apre midi DM avek ou delegasyon.


Mr Chairman mon ti a kontan demann refer Minis avek bullet point number 1 anba’ current challenges’.

E pou mon sa i lev en konsern letan zot pe dir ‘’inability to adequately supply the domestic fish processing sector of fresh tuna.’’ E baze lo problenm lo lendistri semi endistriyel fishing;- so mon anvi ki Minis i eksplik nou - akoz anba the strategic priorities mon pa pe war egzakteman ki bor zot pe aim pou adres sa?

So sa i en konsern.
So sa i en konsern.

Epi baze lo en kestyon ki zot in ganny demande oparavan, si nou anvi fresh tuna me lefe ki i annan sa inability to supply, so ki egzakteman ki Minister pe anvizaze - well mon pa konnen si kour term, mid-term or long term.

Zis donn nou en pti lide akoz pou mwan sa i en problenm, akoz nou pa pe kapab supply the domestic market.

So ki nou anvizaze fer dan sa direksyon?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis.

THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Mersi Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker pou reasir ou e pou montre e pou mwan dir ou ki mon annan tou respe pou Lasanble.

Mon ti a kontan dir ki mon pare pou reponn tou kestyon ki annan pou fer avek en eleman Bidze.

Mon’n prepar - mon tim in prepar nou pou nou koz lo Bidze.

E alors i enportan ki nou limit nou kestyon lo Bidze.

E parey la Onorab William in demande, ki bann mezir bidzeter ki nou pe pran pou nou adres en size.
Sa ki i pe demann nou se ki nou annan en challenge - e i vre ki i annan en challenge - pou nou, pou nou ogmant kapasite pou dan lapes semi endistri;- pa ogmant kapasite me ogmant lefikasite dan Sekter Lapes Semi Endistriyel.

Onorab i annan en bonpe bato pres en 40 - pres 40 bato semi endistriyel ki’n a en serten moman, in ganny ankouraze pou zot [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 antre dan sa lapes.
Sa bann bato i sorti Sri Lanka laplipar, e tou, tou sa bann bato i crewed par Sri Lankan.

I annan ki napa okenn crew ki en zis anmare ek lasose e dan en pwennvi biznes i pa’n en biznes ki’n successful.

Akoz i en kalite lapes ki pa adapte avek fason ki Seselwa i travay.

E Seselwa pa’n anvi - pa’n santi zot pou zot al dan sa lapes.

E ki fer ki’n en in en failure.

Nou bezwen aksepte in en failure.

E bokou sa bann propriyeter i trouv difikilte pou zot ranbours zot bann loans ki zot in pran.
E nou pe travay avek zot pou nou gete ki mannyer kot zot kapab avanse.

Alors i pa en sekter ki nou pe ankouraz nouvo lenvestisman ladan.

I en sekter ki nou pe ankouraz ki nou fer fason ki bann Seselwa i rod fason pou zot antre dan sa – pou vin lapes lo sa bann bato.

Ou konpran?

Konmkwa nou, nou annan sa reveni ki vin pou Sesel.


E lankourazman ki nou pe sey donn zot, se akonpanny zot dan zot bann re- negosyasyon avek Labank Devlopman, akoz laplipar zot, zot bann travay, zot bann loan i ek Labank Devlopman.

E sa i fer ki i en gran konplikasyon.

Me selman i annan serten sa bann bato ki pe travay - i pe travay byen, ki pe supply pa local market.

Me selman ki pe supply export market pou fresh tuna.

E sa i en gran valer.


Se en pwason ki annan en gran valer e bann ki pe fer li byen i pe ganny bokou sikse.

Me selman i pa a la oter ki nou ti devret ete.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Bon nou’n ariv apepre ler ki mon ti anvi arete.

Me selman akoz mon’n dir mon pou permet Manm ki ti annan lezot kestyon, pou zot ganny en sans.

Mon pou pran de kestyon si i annan, e mon pou demann okenn Manm pou limit li lo 1 kestyon si i annan kestyon.

Eski okenn Manm i annan okenn lot kestyon?

Onorab Lemiel?
Onorab Lemiel?

Mon a pran Onorab Lemiel apre nou a termin la.

HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL Mersi Mr Chair.

Mwan, mon ti a kontan demann Minis - mon konnen ou’n vin Anse Royale.

E in annan serten konversasyon ki nou ti fer konsernan deroulman lo kote lapes pou Anse Royale.
So mon ti a kontan konnen petet - letan ou’n koz lo bann proze ki pou annan dan lezot distrik - eski 2023 Bidze SFA pe fer okenn provizyon petet, pou okenn amelyorasyon kot i konsern kot [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 nou bazar, or okenn nouvo fasilite pou nou bann peser Anse Royale kapab benefisye zot osi?

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Minis si ou annan en repons ?

THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Yes mersi Onorab.
Onorab ou konnen poudir Anse i en distrik enportan dan nou network lapes.

Akoz Anse Royale in toultan pa zis en vilaz lapes li menm, me selman i en backup pou Baie Lazare e Anse La Mouche.

Alors ki nou’n fer nou’n reget sa proze ice plant, ki ou konnen in fini konplete e i reste zis en bout travay pou nou fer.

E sa se pou nou met en twa lo la, akoz enn bann keksoz ki nou’n dekouver, se ki si nou pa met twa lo, lo bann ice plant, i ganny andomaze ase vitman.
Donk sa i sel travay enportan ki nou pe fer e ki nou pe design e nou pou fer son tender.

Apard sa, i annan sa vye ice plant ki ti la, ki nou pe diskite si i pou retourn avek Lapolis - akoz son site mon krwar ti pou Lapolis sa.

Mon pa - pou Gouvernman.

Nou pe gete si i annan posibilite ki sa i kapab converted pou en fasilite pou kapab ankouraz en pe fish processing and value addition.
E sa se enn bann size ki nou’n fer e mon ti a kontan kontinyen angaz avek ou lo la, pou nou gete ki mannyer nou kapab avanse dan sa domenn.

Apard sa pou lannen 2023 napa lot keksoz pou Anse Royale, apard sa proze anba progranm Lekonomi Ble ki nou anvi fer sa reef regeneration program ki ou konnen depi Fairy Land an desandan, dan labe Anse Royale.

Donk … E an menm tan, mon ava dir finalman - an menm tan nou pe kontinyen konsider sa posibilite en lasose.
Me selman, selman ou konnen i annan bann lopinyon diverzan lo la e nou bezwen ekout bann peser sa.

Ou avek mwan nou bann politisyen, nou pa pou kapab desid lo la.

Nou ava ekout bann peser - bann spesyalis pou gete si sa i en travay ki nou kapab fer.

E en travay ki pou kapab marse.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Klarifikasyon Onorab, wi?

HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL [Type here] Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Thursday 24th November, 2022 Wi Mr Chair.
En keksoz mon’n bliye demann Minis, eski SFA pe fer en laranzman pou finaliz sa issue management of sa bazar?

Eski i okouran si i annan okenn keksoz, akoz pou le moman keksoz i en pti pe ... Dimoun pe fer li volonter, me selman mon pe regarde si zot pe fer bann laranzman?

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Ou repons silvouple.

THE DESIGNATED MINISTER JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Onnetman Onorab, non.

Mon napa en repons pou ou onnetman e mon pa’n enform mon lekor lo la.
Me selman mon ava fer li e mon ava premye lokazyon, mon ava dir ou ki bann travay ki pe ganny fer.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Bon, Manm aprezan pran vot lo sa Bidze pou Department of Fisheries and Department of Blue Economy pou en total R110milyon 343mil.

Manm ki an faver lev lanmen silvouple?

Mersi Manm ki kont?

Vot lo Bidze pou Department of Fisheries and Department of Blue Economy 23 Manm in vot pour, 0 kont e 10 in abstain.

Sa Bidze in aprouve par Lasanble.


Donk avan nou ale, mon souvan ganny rapel pou zis notifye bann antite ki pou devan nou lannmen.

E pou demen, nou annan Department of Tourism, Department of Foreign Affairs, Ministry of Education e Institute of Early Childhood Development.

Mersi.

Bon mon a remersye bann Manm e delegasyon pou zot partisipasyon.

Nou ava termin la pou ozordi e Lasanble a repran demain matin 9er.

Nou a repas dan Lasanble pou nou adjourn.

Adjourn.

(ADJOURNMENT) [Type here]