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Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF SEYCHELLES Tuesday 12th July, 2022 The Assembly met at 09am National Anthem Moment of Reflection Mr Speaker in the Chair MR SPEAKER Onorab.

Bonzour Manm Bonzour nou staff ki pe asiste nou ozordi.

Bonzour tou manm telespektater.

piblik, oditer, Byenveni pou nou travay Lasanble pou ozordi.

Bon Madanm Clerk mon krwar nou napa Public Reading, First Reading.

E dan labsans LOTO ki lo misyon nou napa PNQ.


So madanm raporter mon ava demann ou pou apel Vis- Prezidan Ahmed Afif avek premye delegasyon silvouple pou kestyon.

Bonzour Vis-Prezidan Ahmed Afif.

Byenveni pou nou sesyon kestyon.

E bonzour e byenveni egalman Mrs Shella Mohideen, Chief Secretary pou Public Service.

E Mrs Jill Tirant, Principal Performance Management Officer.

Bon nou komans kestyon.

Premye kestyon limero 95 pou Onorab Gervais Henrie.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Speaker.


Ou ava eskiz mwan parske mwan ankor pe rod mwan.

MR SPEAKER Eski, ou mikro i on Onorab.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE I ok mon ava lir la.

Mon laptop ti ankor en pti pe dousman.

Ok premye kestyon Mr Speaker i lir koumsa: - Piblik Pou demann Minis ki pou responsab Ladministrasyon ki travay pe ganny fer dan servis piblik pou asire ki tou le 4 pilye Progranm Based Management ganny deplwaye avek efikasite e bon sipervizyon?

Mersi.

Result pe MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.


Vis-Prezidan ou larepons silvouple.

THE VICE-PRESIDENT MR AHMED AFIF Mersi bokou Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Mr Speaker.

Bonzour tou bann Manm Lasanble.

E tou Seselwa a lekout.

1 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Mr kestyon Management.

I annan 4 pilye.

Speaker Result premye Based E pou Gouvernman war son benefis i neseser ki i annan en dan lapros lenplimantasyon.

entegral E sa pou anmenn pli bon rezilta dan servis piblik.
Sa lapros zesyon ki’n fini ganny pilote.

Pe ganny enplimante depi Fevriye 2022 comme swivan; I annan en Komite Onivo ki ganny Chair par Minis pou Ekonomik, Planifikasyon Finans ek Komers.

Minis li i chair en meeting tou le mwan, pou fer sir ki lenplimantasyon pe al dapre plan ki’n ganny aprouve dan Konsey de Minis.

Tou Minis dan Gouvernman in Chair bann meeting lo nivo sekter.

Pou fer sir ki planifikasyon i an lir avek bann priyorite Nasyonal.

E anliny avek vizyon pei.


Sa i osi permet tir sa ki nou apel sa silo mentality.

Savedir sakenn pe travay dan son prop domenn.

I annan en seri training ki'n ganny fer pou dan Zofisye tou Gouvernman.

Lo lenplimantasyon e lentegrasyon sa 3 pilye Program Result Based Management.

Senior Savedir stratezik.

budgeting, monitoring evaluation.

planifikasyon Zero based and Sa bann training in ganny fer par Lenstiti Guy Morel anba sipervizyon Biro Servis Piblik.
Pandan mwan training pou kontinyen Performance System.

Out, lo Management Sa training pou met lanfaz lo sa katriyenm pilye.

Ki en nouvo sistenm appraisal, ki pou apel Performance Contract.

Tou travayer servis piblik lo pou lenplimantasyon.

E lenplimantasyon pou komanse formelman dan lannen 2023. training ganny I annan en lekip ki'n ganny met ansanm ki konpri zofisye sorti dan Departman Planifikasyon Ekonomik, Departman Finans, Biro Servis Piblik e Lenstiti Guy Morel.
Rol sa lekip se pou rod sipor bann lorganizasyon dan lenplimantasyon Result Based Management.

Mr Speaker, avek ou permisyon, si i annan lezot kestyon ki ganny monte lo la, permet mwan permet Ms Shella Mohideen pou li kapab osi donn lanmen reponn kestyon.

Mersi bokou.

MR SPEAKER 2 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Byensir Vis-Prezidan.

Onorab Gervais Henrie i ava met son siplemanter silvouple.

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Speaker.


Premye kestyon i se ki enn fwa ki sa progranm i ganny rollout, eski i annan en prozeksyon an term ouswa kalite ki lekonomi an zesyon finansyel.

An term Bidze ki sak bann MDAs i gannyen ki nou kapab vwar en amelyorasyon ladan?

Konmsi pe fer plis ek i mon premye mwens.

Sa kestyon.

benefis, term E dezyenm, pou benefis nou bann constituent ki nou isi anndan nou reprezante, ki kalite ou transformasyon zot pe espekte vwar enn fwa ki sa progranm i ganny rollout?
sanzman, Akoz ozordi nou vwar bokou nou bann sityasyon ki vin devan nou, se sa retar dan sa enteraksyon ant piblik avek bann MDAs.

So ki kalite amelyorasyon dimoun i espekte vwar?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Vis Prezidan ou ava dirize si ou ki le reponn oubyen si ou pas laparol Mrs Mohideen.

Yes, Vis-Prezidan.

THE VICE-PRESIDENT MR AHMED AFIF Mersi bokou Mr Speaker.

Mersi Onorab.

Mwan mon ava reponn briyevman.


Me selman mon ava permet avek ou permisyon Mr Speaker, Ms Mohideen pou donn larestan detay.

Eski nou kapab fer, eski nou espekte fer bokou plis avek mwens?

Esansyelman, larepons se ki dan Results Based Management ou meet serten target.

Savedir ou konnen ki ou anvi gannyen ou.

Me ou osi konnen ki resours ou annan.

Parske sa i dan Bidze, e ou Bidze i baze lo la.

Alor regilyerman Minister, sak Minister pou mezire konbyen in reisi.

Konbyen in depanse.
Konbyen in depanse.

En lentansyon byensir parey ou'n dir se pou nou fer bokou plis avek mwens.

Se sa lentansyon.

Ki benefis bann dimoun pou vwar dan ou distrik e popilasyon an zeneral?

Mon krwar benefis ki zot sipoze vwar se en amelyorasyon dan kalite servis ki vize vreman ver zot lekspektasyon.

Parske ki Gouvernman i mete, i baze en kantite lo lekspektasyon ki pep Seselwa i annan.
rezilta 3 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 E ki li avek son resours i met bann target pou li zwenn sa bann lekspektasyon.

Alor nou espekte ki bokou sa bann target i annan pou fer avek kalite servis ki nou pe donnen.

Lavites ki nou pe donn servis.

E alor mon espekte wi, popilasyon pou vwar tou bann domenn ki larepons ki zot pe kekfwa gannyen vit.

Enplimantasyon proze i ava vin pli vit.

Kalite servis ki zot zwenn ler zot al kot en Minister i amelyore.
pli i Tousala i ganny mezire e mon espere ki avek sa Results Based Management kot lanfaz i target lo sa bann vreman spesifik, nou ava vwar e ou bann dimoun i ava vwar en benefis ki tanzib.

Avek ou permisyon mon ava permet Ms Shella si i annan lezot detay pou azoute.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Yes, Chief Secretary.

CHIEF SECRETARY SHELLA MOHIDEEN Bonzour tou dimoun.

Mon krwar Vice- President in byen reponn kestyon.

In donn ase detay.

Be solman mon krwar sa lanfaz - I annan 2 keksoz nou ava met lanfaz lo la.
I sa bann target.

E pou mwan i target ki realistik as well.

Ou konnen i annan de ler ki i annan bann target, bann pa lekspektasyon ler neseserman annan de realistik.

ki So ki nou le fer se set bann target ki realistik.

E sa i ava ganny kominike avek piblik.

Alor piblik i ava konnen ki zot pe espekte.

E sa lot pwen for i pou annan sa ki nou apel monitoring and evaluation.

Ki nou vedir dan lenplimantasyon, ava monitor, nou ava evalye.
E kot nou pa pe vwar sa rezilta ki nou ti ava swete annan, nou pa kontinyen lenplimantasyon, me nou pou annan bann revi ki nou fer regilyerman.

Ki pou fer ki toultan i ava annan sa amelyorasyon.

Ki a lafen dizour nou ava ganny sa servis ki nou anvi vwar dan servis piblik.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Chief Secretary.

Ozordi nou annan en pe mwens kestyon, so nou annan en pe plis posibilite pou kestyon siplemanter.

Nou ava pran sa ki nou kapab tout an respektan tou lareg demann kestyon.
Mon a komans avek Onorab Gill.

HON CHURCHILL GILL Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour VP ek delegasyon.

Bonzour tou 4 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Manm.

Mon kestyon se ler ki training in fini ganny fer, eski sa faz vin imedyatman apre training in ganny fer?

lenplimantasyon i ler se, Apre mon dezyenm bann kestyon lekspektasyon in fini ganny set, aprezan ou’n mansyonnen ou dir pou annan sa faz monitoring.

E ou'n monitor.
E ou'n monitor.

Me selman sa rezilta ki ou, ou ti pe espekte inisyalman ler ou ti met sa lekspektasyon still ou pa, serten partisipan dan training dan zot travay zot pa pe kapab delivre sa oter ki sa bench mark ki ti'n set.

Dan ka sityasyon koumsa.

Ki bann course of action ki ganny pran avek sa bann dimoun?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Chief Secretary ou a pran repons?

CHIEF SECRETARY SHELLA MOHIDEEN Ok nou’n mansyonnen i annan fer.

faz training ki'n ganny in Actually, fini komanse.


E ki mannyer nou pe delivre training, an mezir nou fer fer training nou pe lenplimantasyon.

lenplimantasyon Par egzanp letan nou'n fer bann training lo planning, lo bann planifikasyon, tou Departman Gouvernman, Tou bann agencies in travay lo plan.

E letan nou'n travay lo zero based budgeting.

Zot in fini al fer zot Bidze.

Ki Bidze pou sa enn lannen in ganny submit par lapros zero-based servi sa budgeting.
in lenplimantasyon Sa eleman monitoring ek evaluation li letan ou pe fer planifikasyon ansanm ladan.

So fini komanse pou sa 3 premye pilye.

in mansyonnen nou pou annan sa sa ki nou Performance Management System ki sa nouvo fason ki nou pou fer appraisal.

apel prezan parey Out An nou pou E li i osi anmezir ki nou fer fer training, Akoz lenplimantasyon.

annandler si ou training ou pa fer lenplimantasyon, sa training i perdi.

So dan apre lenplimantasyon ava monitor.

E nou ava fine tune anmezir nou ale.


la nou Ou dezyenm kestyon.

Dan tou sistenm Performance Management System i annan bann target ki ou set.

E i annan osi sa ki nou apel reward avek sanction.

Sa i travay ki nou pou fer.

E pou mwan lo kote reward.

Well Performance i pou komanse Management 5 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 System, i bezwen fer sir ki tou dimoun ki pe travay i earn son saler parey nou dir.

Nou pa oule i annan dimoun ki pe vin travay pe kale.
E zot pa pe earn zot salary, a lafen di zour.

salary E nou konnen i annan en pe diskisyon ki pe fer lo sa 13th ekivalan ki month mannyer nou pou apel li, ki kapab vin performance driven.

So sa i ava reward ki ava vini.

Me sanction definitivman si i annan travayer ki pa pe delivre, nou bezwen rode akoz, petet i annan zot ki bezwen ganny empower.

I bezwen annan zot ki ganny training.

E letan nou donn training, nou'n ganny empowerment.

i Lalwa Lanplwa fer provizyon pou nou kapab fer sanksyon.
E nou ava kapab fer sanksyon anliny avek Lalwa Lanplwa.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Meri Chief Secretary.

Onorab Aglae.

Kestyon.

HON EGBERT AGLAE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour VP, CEO e tou dimoun a lekout, ek Manm Onorab.

VP ouswa Madanm Mohideen li menm, avan ki nou ti antre dan sa, pe lans dan RBM, nou ti al lo, ti annan sa Performance Based Budgeting ki nou ti lo la.
Eski zot ti ekspekte annan en evalyasyon pou vwar ki lenpak swa pozitiv, swa negativ, ki'n anmennen pou vwar si vreman prezan nou kapab antre lo sa RBM fully.

E dezyenmman, eski, kan ki zot espekte ki nou kapab ganny en fully fledge working - Management RBM system System, pou kapab petet ariv kot arive dan Ladministrasyon Piblik?

Mersi.

anvi zot MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Yes, Mrs Mohideen?

CHIEF SECRETARY SHELLA MOHIDEEN Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

Nou'n fer evalyasyon.


E rezon akoz nou pa ti pe vwar tou benefis dan lepase, ki mannyer sa ki ou’n apel Performance Base Budgeting ti pe ganny enplimante, ganny se enplimante in izolasyon.

RBM i annan 4 pilye, e pou ou ganny benefis i annan en lenplimantasyon entegral.

fodre in Akoz Bidze i enplimant ou plan.

Konmsi ou bezwen planifye avan, apre ki ou, ou enplimante.

So, la ki nou pe fer, tou le 4 pilye lenplimantasyon 6 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 ansanm.
Mon konnen nou pou vwar son rezilta.

E sa rezilta i pou en rezilta ki progresivman nou pou vwar plis rezilta.

Akoz toultan letan ou komans lenplimantasyon, i annan bann lessons ki ou pou bezwen aprann.

fek E anmezir ou aprann ou perfeksyonn li.

E mon asire ki nou pou annan pli bon rezilta.

Already la nou annan bann MTest par egzanp ki'n ganny submit kot Minis Finans.

E evalyasyon ki nou pe fer par egzanp nou pe vwar bann budget line ki ti zis appear traditionally ki pe ganny tire.
Savedir i montre ki sa tool ki nou pe ganny servi, zero- based budgeting i pe fer ki nou pe servi sa tool pou nou enplimant plan stratezik avek priyorite pei.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Panel.

CHIEF SECRETARY SHELLA MOHIDEEN Ok. Nou'n lenplimantasyon i pou 3 an.

Si i annan 2023, ‘24, ‘25.

I annan bann target ki nou pe set pou ‘24, ‘25.

E pou sak lannen i annan serten target ki nou pe set.

E ki vedir ki i annan bann short term result ki nou pou vwar en pe pli boner.
Me solman fason ki nou le enplimant base result management, nou pa le focus zis lo bann short terms strategy.

Nou pe mazin pei.

E nou pe mazin bann keksoz ki nou le vwar dan pei a long term.

E i vedir ki i annan ki nou pou vwar en pe deswit, me solman i annan ki nou pou vwar en pti pe pli long term.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

I annan en klarifikasyon ki … MR SPEAKER Mersi Madanm.

Onorab Mondon.

Kestyon HON EGBERT AGLAE Yes, Mr Speaker.

In term of time frame pou kapab enplimant sa fully fledge.
Mon konnen pou pran en pe letan.

Me selman kan eski nou kapab war en fully RBM Management fledge System ki marse?

HON TERENCE MONDON Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Vis- Prezidan avek ou lekip.

Mon kestyon, eski sa legzersis i enkli osi revwar e fer en proper analysis bann sistenm ki an plas ki pe deservi Gouvernman?

Setadir pou idantifye dan sistenm, bann prosedir swa 7 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 bann fason fer ki pa neseser, ki pa pe azout valer.
Eski sa i pou enkli dan sa transformasyon ler pe met an plas sa sistenm?

E dezyenmman, eski zot in fer en bon levanter lo sistenm enformatik an plas, ki pou bezwen ganny modernize pou annan en pli bon platform?

ki En sa fason transformasyon result based i osi lo en sistenm ki pli modern, ki fasilit sa transformasyon?

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mrs Mohideen.

CHIEF SECRETARY SHELLA MOHIDEEN Definitivman i bezwen annan bann prosedir.

Bann sistenm ki an plas ki bezwen ganny modernize.


Ou konnen pou ou vin pli efektiv, 80poursan i sistenm e 20 poursan i dimoun.

Alor nou pa pou vwar rezilta si nou pa travay lo sistenm.

E Public Service Bureau i annan en bon pe sistenm, par egzanp ki nou pe revize.

Par egzanp Public Service Order i en keksoz ki nou pe regarde.

I annan bann Schemes ki nou pe regarde.

E i annan en kantite travay ki pe fer.

Akoz si ou fer travay dan izolasyon, ou pa fer li comprehensive, ou pa pou vwar son benefis.
So i annan travay ki pe ganny fer.

E lo kote teknolozi osi.

Nou annan sa Komite O Nivo ki Vis-Prezidan in koz lo la, ki chair par Minis Hassan.

PS Choppy i osi sit lo sa komite.

E nou pe regarde ki mannyer nou pou anmenn teknolozi.

Nou pa pou kapab kontinyen fonksyonnen dan Gouvernman parey nou pe fonksyonnen la, san anmenn teknolozi.

Nou pou bezwen anmenn teknolozi.

Nou pou bezwen modernize.

E sa osi i bann diskisyon ki nou pe fer.


E anmezir ki nou ganny - Ou konnen i annan serten fer pou nou travay ki pe idantifye bann sistenm ki pou suitable pou nou pei.

E letan nou fini fer sa travay nou ava kapab donn plis lenformasyon Lasanble.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Mrs Mohideen.

Kestyon Onorab Cosgrow.

HON WALLACE COSGROW Bonzour Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Minis.

Bonzour VP avek ou tim.


Mr Speaker kestyon ki lo pe devan deplwayman RBM avel efikasite, mon en kestyon ki nou koz 8 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 petet pou tous en pti pe labaz.

I mean lo teren e bann dimoun ki pe enplimant sa sistenm.

E la spesifikman mon le koz lo PMS.

Nou konnen Minis Finans ti anonse semenn pase trezyenm dan Lasanble ki mwan 2022, lanmwatye pou ganny peye.

E lot lanmwatye pou baze lo en appraisal ek performans.
sistenm saler an Now i reste nou apepre 5 mwan realistikman avan ki lannen i fini.

E nou konnen nou dan bann prosedir Bidze.

servis piblik So eski Minis ouswa Chief Secretary i kapab donn nou en garanti ou en lasirans, donn travayer en garanti, en lasirans ki bann HRs avek zot tim dan bann lorganizasyon bann Departman Gouvernman, zot in pare, zot in ekipe pou kapab antreprann sa bann appraisals.

An vi ki i annan Departman ki bokou dimoun.

dan Ki zot in pare.
dan Ki zot in pare.

Ki zot pou kapab undertake sa bann appraisal in time avek sistenm ki pe ganny met an plas, pou ki travayer servis piblik pa perdi kan ariv lafen lannen.

Akoz bann keksoz petet pa ankor pare.

So eski i annan en garanti ki zot in pare?

E sa bann dimoun dan sekter piblik zot osi zot ekipe e pare pou delivre.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mrs Mohideen.

CHIEF SECRETARY SHELLA MOHIDEEN Sa kestyon ki ou'n demande mersi Onorab.

I baze prezan lo sa katriyenm pilye RBM.


Sa ki nou apel Performance Management System.

E i osi en kestyon mon krwar ki pou vini apre.

E ki tou travayer pou ganny mete lo sa ki nou apel en Performance Contract.

E sa i pou ranplas sa ki mwan mon apel the traditional way ki nou'n fer appraisal dan Gouvernman pou bokou lannen – en?

E travay ki pe ganny fer se akoz kantite dimoun ki nou annan dan servis piblik, nou pe fer lapros la an se moman ki nou pe fer.

Nou pe fer sa ki nou apel train the trainer.


Savedir nou pe build kapasite bann dimoun.

Prensipalman bann HR.

Actually, i annan bann dimoun ki deza annan sa konpetans.

Akoz letan mon ti ankor travay kor Guy Morel Performance Institute, Management System ti en module dann nou course HR.

9 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 So tou dimoun ki’n study HR at the Guy Morel Institute, already zot annan sa konpetans dan Performance Management System.
So ki nou pe fer la, i idantifye bann dimoun ki deza annan Fer konpetans.

refresher training.

E apre zot, zot ava al dan lorganizasyon pou fer sa preparasyon.

Epi letan nou pou’n fini.

Nou pou fer en pe piloting.

Akoz petet i ava reste nou kekfwa en 3 mwan avan lafen lannen letan nou pou’n fini fer tou sa travay.

tou La nou ava met dimoun lo bann kontra ki nou pou pilote.

E apre formelman pou fer lenplimantasyon lannen prosenn.
E ki mannyer nou pe anvizaze fer lenplimantasyon pou sa lannen, se nou pa pou komans avek bokou target.

Nou pou komans avek mwens target, ki tou dimoun i ava konpran sa sistenm.

Tou dimoun i ava konnen ki son bann - sa ki nou apel core target.

Bann ki pli enportan dapre ou travay ki ou fer.

E apre lafen lannen nou ava fer en evalyasyon lo la.

So i pou annan en faz kour ki pou osi donn nou lenformasyon.
Pou nou kapab anmase pou nou kapab fer lo sort of improve on the system letan formelman lannen 2023. enplimant nou li MR SPEAKER Wi klarifikasyon Cosgrow.

Silvouple.

Onorab HON WALLACE COSGROW Mersi Mr Speaker.

Zis en pti klarifikasyon.

Chief Secretary pa'n neseserman dir mwan si zot santi poudir bann HR dan sa bann lorganizasyon, they are actually ready silvouple?

En wi or non.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Chief Secretary.

CHIEF SECRETARY SHELLA MOHIDEEN Mon pou dir HR pou ganny kapasite.
E apre zot pou ganny sipor.

Ok?

Zot pou ganny kapasite e zot pou ganny sipor.

Parey sa group ki la nou pe travay avek, ki nou pe dir trainer.

Sak training portfolyo dan Gouvernman pou annan enn sa ki nou, nou pe apel the RBM champion.

the So, zot pou annan enn sa dimoun ki pou travay ek zot.

Ki pou ed zot pou delivre.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Bon mon ava bezwen bouz lo prosen kestyon prezan.

10 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 E sa se kestyon limero 96.

Onorab Aglae.
Onorab Aglae.

HON EGBERT AGLAE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Etandonnen ki bokou koze ki plizyer travayer pou bouz lo en kontra, eski Minis responsab pou Ladministrasyon Piblik, i kapab eksplik sa Lasanble ki bann travayer ki pou tonm dan sa kategori?

E 2, ki konsekans bidzeter kour term e lonterm?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Vis-Prezidan.

THE VICE-PRESIDENT MR AHMED AFIF Mersi bokou Mr Speaker.

Mersi Onorab.

Tou travayer dan servis piblik pou al formelman lo en kontra.
Ki pou apel en Performance Contract apartir 2023.

Sa i pa pou ranplas Employment Contracts.

Me i pou en sistenm appraisal ki pli modern.

E ki met plis lanfaz lo prodiktivite.

Benefis sistenm Performance Management se ki, performans travayer pou ganny evalye dapre bann target performans.

sa ganny fer e lo rann kont.

Sa sistenm ki mannyer pou ganny enplimante, i fer ki pou annan plis sipervizyon lo performans travayer tou dilon lannen.

E non pa zis en appraisal lafen lannen.


Avek sa nouvo sistenm, pou osi annan plis sipor sorti kot bann Line Managers, pou fer travay vin pli prodiktiv.

Mon ti ava kontan fer resorti ki travayer PSC, zot pou kontinyen lo zot kontra 2an a 3an.

Lezot travayer non-PSC i pou lo sa kontra ki nou apel Continuous Contracts.

Savedir zot a plen tan.

E zot sistenm appraisal i pou diferan.

Kot i konsern konsekans bidzeter, kour term e lonterm, nou espekte ki i pou anmenn plis lefikasite.
Pou la senp rezon ki ler ou pe fer en Bidze, ou pe toultan fer en Bidze ki baze lo en performans.

E parey Chief Secretary in eksplike taler, i annan de fwa kot zot in bezwen tir serten Bidze akoz i pa, kekfwa in la tradisyonnelman.

Me selman i pa target spesifik dan sa Minister.

lye avek okenn So kour term e lonterm, nou espekte war benefis finansyel atraver sa.

Mersi Mr Speaker.
Mersi Mr Speaker.

E i pou annan en gran lanfaz lo levidans ki travay in MR SPEAKER 11 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Wi Onorab Aglae, siplemanter.

HON EGBERT AGLAE Mersi Vis-Prezidan.

VP eski ou kapab eksplik nou, baze lo sa nouvo Performance Contract, eski zot pe mazin revwar en pti gin sa metod evalyasyon li menm.

An vi ki si en dimoun ki pe non-perform.

Ok ki pe non- perform baze lo sa set target ki zot in mete.

Ki i pou annan en prosedir.


Petet si ou kapab dir nou, ki prosedir ou bezwen pas ladan avan ki i pou ganny swa met redundant based on non- performance.

Me selman i ava kapab osi dan en fason eksplik son lekor?

Sa i enn.

E dezyenmman, baze lo zouti sa Departman li menm.

Akoz parfwa i kapab arive ki sa travayer i le donnen.

Me selman lanpesman.

i annan serten Petet i kapab resours.

I kapab petet i annan serten keksoz ki i pa annord.
Eski osi zot pe mazin vwar pou sa desizyon ki pou ganny pran par sa enn ki'n fer sa evalyasyon.

Pou zot osi double check.

Eski i korek ki sa travayer pa pe performen.

E ki bann rezon par deryer.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mrs Mohideen.

CHIEF SECRETARY SHELLA MOHIDEEN Mersi Onorab.

Sa System Performance Management ki mannyer i marse la, ou komans lannen ki i annan e diskisyon ant ou avek ou line manager.

E sa diskisyon ou'n osi pran kont, ki Bidze ou annan.
Ki resours ou annan a ou dispozisyon.

E ki fer ki nou target i baze lo ou koman en endividi.

Me resours ki ou annan osi pou al travay avek.

Ok?

Ki vedir ki ou’n pa pou kapab ganny demande pou al fer en keksoz ki enposib ki ou pa pe ganny resours pou ou travay avek.

Sa i komans la.

E ou'n koz lo si en dimoun pa pe perform.

Sa sistenm ladan i annan bann konpetans ki ou bezwen gannyen.

So training i pa neseserman toultan bann gran kalifikasyon.

Be solman bann on the job training parey nou dir.


Bann coaching, bann mentoring ki ou pou gannyen dan lorganizasyon.

I annan osi en sistenm ki nou apel Performance Improvement Plan.

Kot letan ou pa pe perform alaoter, ou ganny kriye.

Ou ganny dir ki ou pa pe perform.

E kwa ki ou bezwen fer, e ki sipor ou pou gannyen pou ou kapab perform pli byen.

E i en 12 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 sistenm ki empowering li en.

I pa punitive in nature.

I very empowering.


Ki fer ki i ed ou pou ou kapab perform pli byen.

E mwan bann dimoun ki eventually nou pou bezwen prn sanksyon avek, i bann dimoun ki pa pe serye menm.

Akoz si ou serye ou anvi travay, sistenm ki nou pe met an plas pou donn ou sa sipor, pou empower ou, pou ou delivre e delivre alaoter.

MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab Aglae.

HON EGBERT AGLAE Mersi Chief Secretary.

La i kler.
La i kler.

Eski prezan nou pou war bann lentrodiksyon petet dan bann Departman ki ler en desizyon i ganny pran, i pa en desizyon endividyel.

Petet i ava annan en pti komite ki vwar sa bann desizyon avan ki zot tonm lo bann pozisyon final.

Eski pou annan sa bann dan sa bann Departman?

Mersi.

Mersi.

Ki mannyer sistenm in devlope, sa travayer i pou konnen kwa ki i espekte fer.

E i pou annan son bann levidans ki i pou bezwen donnen avek son line manager i montre ki in delivre travay.
Ki vedir ki sa dimoun ki siperviz li, i sa dimoun ki pou fer son evalyasyon.

Mwan mon pa pou kapab evalye en dimoun ki mon pa pe siperviz li.

Akoz mon pa pe siperviz son louvraz toulezour.

Zis sa dimoun ki siperviz son louvraz toulezour, sa ki nou apel son line manager ki pou fer son evalyasyon.

Sa komite i pou zis la si annan dezakor ant sa 2 dimoun.

La si i annan dezakor savedir i fer en grievance.

E la nou ava annan bann komite ki dil ek grievance.
Me solman ki mannyer sistenm i devlope, si sa travayer i annan tou son levidans ki in fer son travay, ou pou bezwen donn li sa ki i merite.

Akoz evidence based.

i en sistenm ki MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mrs Mohideen ou ava kontinyen.

MR SPEAKER Thank you, Madanm.

Kestyon siplemanter Onorab Gill.

CHIEF SECRETARY SHELLA MOHIDEEN HON CHURCHILL GILL Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mon kestyon se sa bann diferan Kontra ki VP 13 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 in mansyonnen.
Eski i garanti ki tou travayer piblik anba sa bann diferan kontra ki zot sipoze tonbe, zot tou zot pou ganny abzorbe?

Oubyen si i annan ki petet pa ou ganny abzorbe.

Anba ki sirkonstans ki sa i fer ki zot pa kapab ganny abzorbe?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mrs Mohideen.

CHIEF SECRETARY SHELLA MOHIDEEN Tou travayer dan servis piblik pou bezwen ganny abzorbe.

Ok?

Menm mon koman Chief Secretary mwan osi tou mon pou annan mon Performance Contract.

koz en HR.
koz en HR.

Si nou'n dir en HR i bezwen devlop en Polisi pou sa lannen, se sa ki nou pe al ziz li lo la koman work output.

Se in devlop son Polisi.

Li i konnen i bezwen devlop son Polisi.

Mwan koman son line manager mon konnen.

E lafen lannen ki mon pou al evalye li lo la se in prezant sa HR Policy.

Savedir si i vin ek son levidans baze lo nou diskisyon, i pou bezwen ganny sa ki i merite.

Par egzanp mon dir letan nou pe fer sa evalyasyon lafen lannen.

Very quickly osi.
Very quickly osi.

I osi en sistenm ki tou dilon lannen ou pe bezwen monitor.

Ou konnen konmela nou fer appraisal zis lafen lannen.

from enkli tou.

Enkli So drayver, bann housekeeper.

I vin en nouvo Son appraisal.

sistenm lavantaz se lo komansman lannen ou konnen kwa ki espekte de ou.

Ou set ou bann target an diskisyon avek ou line manager.

E apre ou ganny mezire lafen lannen.

So in a way nou pe do away avek sa bann appraisal ki koz lo par egzanp work output.
Annandler mwan mon kapab define work output dan mon fason.

En lot dimoun i define work output dan son fason.

La par egzanp si mon pe Sa tou dilon E letan ou vini a lafen lannen i annandler nou pe koz lo bann difikilte ki ou'n gannyen depi Zanvye, Fevriye.

i bezwen annan dyalog ant sa travayer ek son line manager.

Parey mon dir i en sistenm empowering ki ed ou pou ou overcome ou bann difikilte pou ou perform a la oter eventually.

Mersi.

lannen MR SPEAKER Wi Onorab Gill ou kapab klarifye.
HON CHURCHILL GILL 14 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Dapre ou lesplikasyon ki ou'n donnen i kler ki sa line manager i en key factor li dan tou sa bann keksoz.

Eski line manager zot, zot in ganny evalye, zot abilite being line manager pou zot kapab desarz sa bann responsabilite?

bann sa Eski zot satisfe ki tou sa bann dimoun i kapab fer sa?

Akoz par ler i kapab annan kot en dimoun ki par anba sa line manager li i kapab performen.
Me selman inability sa line manager li prezan i kre en konfli?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mrs Mohideen.

CHIEF SECRETARY SHELLA MOHIDEEN Mersi Onorab.

Se pou sa rezon ki nou pe fer sa bann seri training ki nou'n komanse depi komansman lannen.

So nou’n komans ek assumption ki nou tou nou bezwen pas dan sa bann series training.

Parey mon dir nou tou, mon osi tou mon’n asiz dan training.

Pou nou fer sir ki letan nou pe fer lenplimantasyon, nou tou parey nou dir on the same page.
Nou tou nou konpran ki nou pe al delivre.

E i osi parey Vice- President in mansyonnen pou premye kestyon.

I annan sa lekip ki nou'n met ansanm ki pou al dan lorganizasyon, pou donn sipor kot nou santi sipor i bezwen ganny donnen.

E apre la lafen lannen nou ava fer levalyasyon.

Apre evalyasyon nou ava regarde kwa ki nou bezwen ranforsi.

E sa nou pa pou fer li zis lafen sa lannen.

Tou le lannen nou bezwen fer evalyasyon pou nou regarde kote nou kapab re anforsi.
E mwan mon pe krwar ki en sistenm ki tou-le-z-an we will get better and better.

MR SPEAKER Thank you Mrs Mohideen.

Nou ava pran kestyon siplemanter Onorab Cosgrow.

HON WALLACE COSGROW Mersi Mr Speaker.

Minis eski ou kapab dir nou an vi ki zot in nonm 2 kontra - en Kontra Continuous avek en Kontra Performans.

Eski pou nesesit okenn sanzman dan Lalwa Lanplwa ozordi an ski konsern kontra?

Akoz Lalwa Lanplwa i set out bann requirement kontra.

i pou nesesit okenn Eski sanzman an Lalwa Lanplwa?


Dezyenm, Chief Secretary in mansyonnen ki tou dimoun dan sekter piblik pou lo en Kontra Performance.

15 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Zis an pasan mon anvi konnen si bann Minis osi anvi ki zot ganny en benefis lafen lannen.

Eski zot pou osi lo Kontra Performance?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mrs Mohideen.

CHIEF SECRETARY SHELLA MOHIDEEN Ok. lo kote si pou bezwen annan Lalwa.
Sa ki nou pe apel Performance Contract la en, letan mon pe ekout kestyon, i like en Performance sort of Agreement li.

pa I Employment Contract.

Employment Contract nou annan 2 kalite Employment Contract.

Nou annan sa ki bann PSE, i lo fixed term.

Apre larestan dimoun i lo continuous.

Sa pa pou sanze li.

i sa appraisal system ki nou pe al apel li Performance Contract.

Which Performance a is Agreement.


Nou le servi sa mo kontra akoz la o komansman lannen, mon pou sinyen konmkwa monn diskite avek mon line manager.

E sa i bann keksoz ki monn dakor pou mwan fer.

E lala bann target ki mon’n set.

E nou pe servi sa mo Kontra akoz i en Lagreman.

E a lafen lannen ou pou al ganny evalye dapre sa ki ou'n agree, sa ki ou'n sinyen.

Which is your Performance Contract.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Mrs Mohideen.

I annan en kestyon lo bann Minis.


Mon pa konnen si VP i dan en pozisyon pou adres sa.

THE VICE-PRESIDENT MR AHMED AFIF Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mersi Onorab.

Bann Minis zot pa trete koman civil servant.

Zot anba Konstitisyon.

Zot annan en Lalwa ki zot zot saler.

E i ganny zot gouvern kondisyon vreman determinen lapwentman ek Prezidan.

atraver Alors mon mazinen Prezidan detanzaot i revwar ki mannyer son bann Minis pe travay.

E se li ki fer sa evalyasyon.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER you.


Thank siplemanter Onorab William.

Kestyon HON WAVEN WILLIAM Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Vis- Prezidan avek ou lekip.

Mon anvi demann ek Prezidan.

Vis- Prezidan par lefe ki sa nouvo i en keksoz ki fason fer 16 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 enportan pou pei.

Lo kote delivery.

Mon anvi demande si zot pe mazin apard ki bann travayer, met lanfaz osi lo bann dimoun ki pe fer bann careers guidance dan lekol vizavi sa?
Akoz si ou pa komans lo boner bann potential worker pou lavenir.

Mon krwar i pou vin pli bon si nou kapab fer li dan sa fason.

Eski zot pe mazin al dan sa direksyon sirtou?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Mrs Mohideen.

CHIEF SECRETARY SHELLA MOHIDEEN Mersi Onorab.

Mon krwar sa i en vreman - i pa en keksoz ki nou ti'n mazin lo la.

Me en tre bon sizesyon.

E nou ava regarde letan nou pe fer devlopman, ki mannyer nou include pou nou meet careers guidance officer.

A very good suggestion.

Mersi bokou.


bann avek Minis an relasyon avek bann travayer etranze.

Zis dir nou si sa bann mezir ki pe ganny anonse i pou enkli sa bann travayer etranze?

E dezyenmman, nou konnen poudir sa zafer kontra i en pti pe - Mon ti ava kapab zis demann ou pou eklersi byen pou manm piblik out there, kisisa egzakteman ki nou pe al anbark lo la?

E apre osi zis dir nou ki bann reward an plis ki kapab bann travayer ki nou konnen i pou al donn tou, once nou pe koz lo performance based.
egziste pou thirteenth E nou konnen nou saler, month, nou everything pou depan en pe lo sa larzan ki nou pou gannyen.

So performans mon krwar i pou vini.

So zis dir nou ki i annan an plis pou sa travayer out there ki pou donn tou in the end.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mrs Mohideen Chief Secretary.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Bon ok mon ava pran kestyon Onorab Gabriel.

HON CONRAD GABRIEL Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour tou dimoun a lekout.

Welcome Minis ek ou panel.


CHIEF SECRETARY SHELLA MOHIDEEN Mersi Onorab.

Bann etranze zot deza lo PSE.

Savedir zot deza pe submit sa ki nou apel plans and target.

Ki pou sanze la se prezan zot antre zot osi lo sa ki nou 17 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 apel sa Performance Contract.

So, zot ti deza pe submit plans and target.

Tou etranze ki dan servis piblik i bezwen fer sa.

Ou dezyenm kestyon Onorab.

Mon krwar pou en bon pe letan.


En bon pe dimoun pe dir ti entrodwir trezyenm mwan saler, ki tou dimoun pe gannyen.

letan nou I annan en bon pe koze ki sa ki travay dir i gannyen.

E i sa ki pa travay dir osi gannyen.

E nou'n vwar ki sa i pa en sistenm ki ti pe siport prodiktivite.

E sa ki nou pe enplimante la.

nou pe sey redres sa sistenm.

Kot sa ki travay i ava ganny serten benefis.

So mwan pou performance Management i devret fer ki tou travayer i earn zot saler.
komanse Nou ankor annan dimoun ki pe al travay ki pe trenn lipye, ki pe kale.

Ki pa pe menm earn zot saler lafen di mwan.

Selman mon le nou komans la.

ki tou dimoun ki desann ki vin travay i bezwen earn son saler.

E sa bann ki fer an plis, la i ava ganny benefis.

E nou ava arete tann dir ki bann ki kale i ganny trezyenm mwan saler.

E bann ki pe debourye ki pe travay dir, zot osi zot ganny trezyenm mwan saler.

So sa sistenm ki nou pe al enplimante pou redres sa.
E petet i pou annan en pe hick- ups dan lenplimantasyon.

Me solman i pou anmenn bokou benefis.

Alor menm si i pou annan hick-ups.

I en keksoz ki nou pou persevere.

E nou bezwen fer sir ki nou ganny li byen.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Tre byen.

Bon nou pe sanz la.

E mon ava delegasyon remersye Mrs Mohideen e Mrs Tirant pou zot partisipasyon.

Mon a swet zot bon depar.

E bonn kontinyasyon.

Mersi.

Nou pe al pran en pti poz sanitizing.

E nou pou pas lo lot kestyon.


Mon pe demann konprenezon bann Manm.

Mon bezwen release Onorab Esparon e konferans virtual SADC ki i pe partisip ladan.

E ki komans 11er.

pou Alor avek zot permisyon, madanm raporter si ou ava atann mwan en pti moman.

Alor avek zot permisyon mon pou sey pas son kestyon pli boner.

Nou pou pran kestyon 77 ki pou Onorab Aglae.

E apre madanm raporter mon ava demann ou pou verifye si delegasyon zofisye pou kestyon limero 100 i la.

Pou ou kapab dir mwan apre.

Mersi.


18 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Nou ava pran en poz sanitizing silvouple.

dezyenm kestyon ki pou answit kapab diriz nou ver larepons pou premye kestyon.

(technical break) e MR SPEAKER byenveni Mr Bonzour Benjamin Choppy, Principal Secretary pou Departman Lenformasyon, Kominikasyon e Teknolozi.

Mersi pou join nou pou sa kestyon.

Nou pran kestyon 97 Onorab Aglae.

HON EGBERT AGLAE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Mr Choppy.
Bonzour Mr Choppy.

Eski Minis responsab pou kominikasyon e Teknolozi i kapab dir ek sa Lasanble, apre ki bann negosyasyon ki Gouvernman ti pe al fer ek bann service provider internet, televizyon ek mobile, ki lenpak ekonomik sa in anmennen pou konsonmater?

Ki amelyorasyon i annan ek servis sirtou an term lavites ouswa bandwidth?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Vis-Prezidan.

THE VICE-PRESIDENT MR AHMED AFIF Mersi bokou Mr Speaker.

Mersi Onorab.
Mersi Onorab.

Mon ti ava kontan tou dabor petet komans avek ki Alors, bann amelyorasyon in annan swivan negosyasyon ki nou’n fer avek bann diferan operater.

Premyerman, ki nou, nou ti pe rode atraver sa bann negosyasyon?

Premyerman en meyer kalite servis a en meyer pri.

Ki nou kab soumaren i ganny servi pou donn meyer rannman pou Sesel.

E trwazyenmman, ki tou bann operater i konpran ki Sesel i bezwen reste konpetitiv.
bokou diskisyon avek bann diferan operater, nou’n vwar bokou servis ki’n ganny revize.

Alor apre Sirtou kot i konsern servis mobile postpaid.

E osi fixed broadband.

Mon ava donn en legzanp san nonm diferan bann operater ek dimoun ki ganny sa i servis.

Me lo baze lenformasyon reel.

Pou en servis broadband i annan en dimoun ti pe pey R2 mil 500 pou anviron 40 gigabit, dan son package 2021.

Ozordi sa menm dimoun apre negosyasyon ki nou, nou'n fer, pa zis pou li me zeneralman lo package.
19 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Ou kapab pet R2 mil pou unlimited avek en speed bokou pli for.

Sorti par egzanp 0.6, 0.5 MBPS pou vin lo 9 MBPS.

Ki sa i vedir?

Dizon avan ou ti pe pey R2mil 500 pou 40 gigabit.

I fer ki ou ti pe pey R62.50 pou ou aste 1 gigabit.

Par kont ozordi, ou pe limit.

Me download napa byensir ou, ou konnen ki kantite ou download.

E dizon sa 150 dimoun gigabits, akoz i unlimited li.

Dan en mwan pou R2 mil.


Sa i fer ki ou pe pey sorti R62.50 ou pe pey R13.33 pou en gigabit.

i download i Sa reprezant en rediksyon 80poursan pri 1 gigabit.

Zot a demande be ki mannyer sa i posib.

Larepons i tre senp.

Nou'n ensiste koman Gouvernman ki annan en par dan kab soumaren ki zot servi plis kapasite sa kab.

Pou ki pei i ganny plis kapasite san ki nou bezwen pey plis.

Operater pou fer plis larzan.


Akoz zot espekte ki plis tel dimoun pou rod bann koneksyon e demann pou servis telekominikasyon pou ogmante a long term, san ki zot pou bezwen ogmant zot kou par menm kantite.

Pou vin lo dezyenm parti i konsern Labank ou kestyon kot lekonomi.

Dapre sekter Santral telekominikasyon ti agrandi par 14 poursan an 2020.

Kan COVID ti lo son peak.

Sa se senpleman parske tou dimoun ti ape kominik plis atraver internet.

Akoz zot pa ti kapab zwenn fizikman.


Me diferans ki sa i kapab fer pou ou dan lakour, ou dan biznes i enorm.

Parski ou biznes pe ganny plis pou menm larzan.

E parfwa menm mwens larzan parey sa legzanp ki monn demontre.

Sa fer i permet zot savings oubyen menm re envestir dan bann nouvo teknolozi.

Parske teknolozi in bouz tre vit ozordi.

E sa i kapab rann zot lavi pli meyer e pli abordab.

Zisteman nou pe osi pouse ki Sesel i kapab byento konekte avek OneWeb.
En proze ki ava permet bann zil elwanye, bato oubyen bann avyon ki an deor internet bann rezo normal operater.

Zwenn atraver OneWeb pou ganny data avek speed a en pri pli abordab ki sa ki egziste ozordi.

Atraver VISAT ou bann lezot mwayen.

Ankor sa i form parti bann negosyasyon ki pe arive lo en baz toulezour.

Pou nou kapab kontinyelman amelyor servis telekominikasyon dan Sesel.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

20 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 MR SPEAKER Siplemanter Onorab Aglae.
HON EGBERT AGLAE Mersi VP pou ou larepons.

2 siplemanter.

Premyerman VP an term prozeksyon plan.

An vi ki i annan serten rezyon ki pa ankor kapab antre lo sa fiber optic pa ankor ariv kot zot.

Eski i annan bann plan etale pou kapab sirtou dan bann rezyon en pe dan sid, dan sid was laba.

I annan serten landrwa ki pa ankor kapab ganny coverage.

Eski zot pe mazin travay lo sa pou arive?


kot Dezyenmman, i konsern televizyon li menm, eski zot pe mazinen annan bann negosyasyon en pti pe pli in-depth an term package?

E swa ki i annan dan sa bann package osi.

Pou i kapab konsonmater i kapab swazir par egzanp si mwan mon en fanatik spor, petet mon pa bezwen pe get tou.

Mon kapab pey en sonm larzan pou mwan kapab get pou spor.

Ouswa si mon larelizyon.

Ouswa mon en fanatik manze.


I annan sa bann opsyon parey enternasyonal i annan kot ou kapab pre-pay.

Ou ale ou peye pou ou ganny zis er serten group channel.

Eski nou pe negosye dan sa laliny?

E dernyen se ki kot i pou konsern coverage telekominikasyon.

Nou ankor annan bann rezyon lo Mahe ki par ler, ler ou pe pase menm ek ou mobile, nek ou pe perdi network.

Eski zot pe mazin osi ganny bann konversasyon pou kapab adres sa size?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Vis-Prezidan.


THE VICE-PRESIDENT MR AHMED AFIF Mersi Mr Speaker.

Avek ou permisyon vi ki sa bann kestyon i kouver bann landrwa en pe teknik.

Mon ava demann PS Choppy Ps Telecoms pou reponn.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

PS Choppy ou annan laparol.

PS BENJAMIN CHOPPY Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mon aa pran premye pou kouvertir bann landrwa sirtou dan sid.

Sa ki nou konnen se bann operators deza zot annan en progranm pou zot met FTTH, Fiber to The Home.
So i en progranm ki zot pe Nou gradyelman.

deroule 21 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 espekte i en osi tou bann gro proze.

I koute, i pran letan pou enplimante.

Selman sa ki nou aware I dan zot plan e i pe ganny fer.

Nou espekte ki dan lannen ki pe vini sa i ava konplete.

Selman lentansyon i la pou at least 2 operater ki nou konnen Nasyonal i annan aim pou zot met Fiber To The Home.

Pou lezot koneksyon.

Sa premye.

ranplas bann nou focus Lot an term TV.


Pou lemoman ti prensipalman lo internet.

E sa.

TV nou pa'n focus bokou lo la sa letan.

Selman mon’n pran not kekfwa en keksoz ki pou nou gete.

Akoz mannyer mon pe ekout kestyon zot pe rod konmsi bann kalite servis kot en kliyan i kapab pick son kalite channel.

E ganny sarze zis pou sa, sa zafer sa.

i en Ultimately selman desizyon komersyal sa operator.

Selman i vre sa area nou pa ti pe focus primarily la ti lo broadband - internet.

la.
la.

Nou focus lo Coverage kominikasyon mon krwar sa ou pe dir mobile.

Wi i annan serten landrwa ki annan issues coverage.

An mezir sa bann landrwa nou konnen.

Aktyelman nou pran sa bann ka avek bann operater.

Pou gete si nou kapab rezoud sa.

Akoz ennler bann landrwa ti napa lontan coverage dimoun.

Epi konmela overtime nou annan dimoun.

So, zot bezwen re aziste zot network osi tou pou kouver.

So sa anmezir i ale li osi tou i pou ganny adrese.

Enn bann defi la.
Enn bann defi la.

sa ki mon aware ek bann operators se landrwa pou zot met towers.

Sa enn ban defi.

I annan serten lide ki'n ganny mete pou nou amelyor sa.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Byen.

Mersi Mr Choppy.

Mn ava pran siplemanter Onorab Gabriel.

HON CONRAD GABRIEL Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mon ti ava zis kontan panel i klarifye.

Ki bann diferan form tax ki zot anmase lo sa bann operators?

an zeneral zis donn nou konbyen, kantite tax apepre Gouvernman i anmase par lannen avek sa bann operators?

Mersi.
Mersi.

dezyenmman Epi MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Vis-Prezidan si ou annan sa lenformasyon silvouple.

bann 22 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 THE VICE-PRESIDENT MR AHMED AFIF Mersi bokou Mr Speaker.

Mr Sekter Speaker, Telekominikasyon i enn ki pa ganny tax.

Savedir tax normal i enplike.

Business tax i pey li lo son profi par lao R1 milyon 33 poursan tax lo la.

egzonere dan Income tax tou travayer i peye.

VAT i aplikab lo Sekter Telekominikasyon 15 poursan.
Lo son lenportasyon si i annan customs duty i peye.

Si i annan VAT i servi sa koman en kredi kont son sales.

Alor tax normal i aplike pou Sekter Telekominikasyon.

Si ou demann mon an term konbyen zot kontribye dan en lannen.

Mon napa sif egzakt akoz i pa ti lye direkteman dan kestyon.

Be selman mon kapab dir ou ki zot sif dafer.

Zot turnover i anviron R1.4 bilyon par lannen.

So, lo la zis son VAT i bezwen apepre R200 milyon.

Zis son VAT.

E son business tax mon napa la avek mwan.


Me selman i en sonm konsiderab.

An plis ki sa zot osi annan en license fee ki anviron 8 poursan zot turnover.

Alor sa i pa en tax, ou’n demann mwan tax.

Me sa i en license fee.

Me i 8 poursan zot turnover.

So en sonm konsiderab ki i peye dan lekonomi.

E i en sekter trez enportan.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

definitivman MR SPEAKER Mersi Vis-Prezidan.

Onorab Gill siplemanter.

HON CHURCHILL GILL Mersi Mr Speaker.

Dan larepons PS in mansyon, lo kote coverage.


In mansyonnen ki i annan konversasyon pe ganny fer.

Mon ti le zis met dan son latansyon ki Praslin osi nou annan menm konsern.

I annan serten landrwa ki nou ganny difikilte ek coverage.

Alor si ler i pe fer sa enkli i osi konversasyon, Praslin ladan.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Mersi.

Nou napa en kestyon la.

mon pa konnen si PS ou annan okenn remark lo Praslin an term coverage?

Oubyen i ava pas ansanm avek lezot?

PS BENJAMIN CHOPPY I ansanm avek lezot.


MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Bon nou ava move lo prosen kestyon.

E nou'n ganny.

23 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Ok pou nou kapab pran kestyon Onorab Esparon.

Premyerman mon ava dir Mr Choppy mersi bokou.

E bonn kontinyasyon.

Nou ava pran en poz sanitizing please.

(technical break) MR SPEAKER Bonzour e byenveni zofisye ki'n zwenn nou.

E mon welcome Mr David Andre, Sekreter Zeneral pou National Institute for Culture, Heritage and the Arts.
Seychelles Ms Cecile Kalebi, Principal Secretary dan menm lenstiti.

E Ms Benjamine Rose, Executive Director dan menm lenstiti.

Nou ava pran kestyon limero 100.

Onorab.

Wi VP ou annan en remark?

THE VICE-PRESIDENT MR AHMED AFIF Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mon pe zis demann ou permisyon.

Vi ki nou annan Sekreter Zeneral Mr Andre avek nou.

E i annan 2 kestyon ki vize ver Kiltir.

Si nou ti kapab pran tou lede ansanm.

So nou ti kapab liber zot pou larestan lazournen avek ou permisyon.
MR SPEAKER li Wi nou pou bezwen donn en gran leskiz Mr Dupres.

Ki nou'n met retar.

Me mersi delegasyon Mr Andre pou konpran nou pou sanz lord bann kestyon.

I tou senpleman pou nou kapab permet en Manm fer en travay ki i dan lentere Lasanble.

Wi VP nou ava sey fer sa.

E nou ava prezant nou leskiz avek Mr Dupres.

Onorab Esparon ou kestyon.

HON REGINA ESPARON Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour tou dimoun a lekout.


An vi ki sa batiman byen koni koman batiman Makaryos North East Point ti sipoze ganny zere par Leritaz Nasyonal pe tonm an rin, e pe ganny servi koman en landrwa kot aktivite ilegal e anti-sosyal pe pran plas, Eski Vis Prezidan i kapab dir Lasanble ki pa'n ki i annan pou devlop sa landrwa pou benefis Distrik Glacis?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Vis-Prezidan.

THE VICE-PRESIDENT MR AHMED AFIF Mersi bokou Mr Speaker.

Mersi Onorab.
Mersi Onorab.

Mr Speaker vi ki Seychelles National Institute for i Culture and Heritage 24 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 endepandan.

I pa tonm anba direksyon en Minister as such.

Avek ou permisyon mon ti ava demann Mr Andre pou reponn sa kestyon.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Vis-Prezidan.

Mr Andre.

GENERAL SECRETARY DAVID ANDRE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mersi Onorab pou sa kestyon.

Mon prezimen ou pe refer lo sa bout later H5028 North East Point, Ki ansyen World War II bunker.
Mon pa ti okouran i apel Lakaz Makaryos.

So anyway, so si sa i korek ok. Sa later i donn en siperfisi 1367 met kare.

E i annan en envestiser Aries Investment ki ti ganny awarded tender.

I ti le sel bidder o fet dapre lenformasyon ki mon annan.

ti ganny tender ki 2015 a 2020, plizyer konsern leve konsernan sa proze.

Sirtou lo latransparans ti ganny fer sa lepok.

Vi ki ti annan bann lezot ki ti claim, zot osi zot in deza montre lentere pou sa proze.
Me plizyer apre kominikasyon e verifikasyon, dan file i montre ki Aries Investment ti annefe sel tender.

E Seychelles National Heritage Resource Council sa lepok, ti apros Aries Investment pou vwar si i ankor annan lentere pou sa proze.

E i ti konfirmen ki wi.

Swivan sa bann prosesis pe ganny fer avek Biro Attorney Zeneral pou drafte en sub-lease ki a zour avek sa bann terms and conditions.

I reste zis pou vwar pri par met kare avek Minister Later pou nou kapab finaliz sa dokiman, sa sub-lease.
Sa proze i konpri en mize ki montre listwar sa batiman ki lager relye avek dezyenm mondyal e bann veteran ki ti partisip ladan.

Detrwa outlet ki pou ganny met a dispozisyon bann artizan.

En café.

E osi i annan fer en pti propozisyon pou akomodasyon pou touris lo premye letaz.

Vwala ki mon kapab dir ou pou lenstan ki pe arive avek.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Wi Onorab Esparon ou siplemanter.

HON REGINA ESPARON Mersi Mr Speaker.


Mr Speaker mon ti ava kontan demann Mr Andre ki dele letan konmsi zot pou donn li, sa envestiser Aries Investment la, ki dele letan zot sa pe donn li pou fer 25 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 devlopman?

Parski i ti ganny sa landrwa depi 2015, li e ziska prezan i fer 7an.

I pa ankor fer nanryen e ou pe dir mwan poudir i ankor pe montre lentere.

Eski zot pe donn li en dele letan?


Parski an se moman sa landrwa pe ganny servi pou fer en kantite aktivite anti-sosyal.

E ou dir mwan pou annan en kafe, lezot apartman.

E ki loportinite ki pou annan pou bann lezot dimoun dan distrik, Glacis ki anvi sa landrwa pou fer lezot aktivite?

E la mon pe mazin, Brian Bonnelame ki li osi i ti a kapab, ganny enn pti landrwa pou li fer son biznes koud son sofa.

Jourdanne anler lo vilaz ki ti a ganny enn pti bout pou li kapab met son pti latelye koud.
Ton Joe li osi ki pe rod en fasilite pour li annan son bann zafer plonber e Mr Serge Benstrong ki li osi i ti anvi enn pti labousri la.

Konmsi ki loportinite pou annan pou bann lezot, dimoun pou kapab ganny enn pti, en landrwa la pou zot kapab fer zot biznes.

E pour lemoman ki garanti ki zot pe donnen, ki sa landrwa pa pou reste dan en leta delapide e pou atir bann delenkan?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi, wi Mr Andre ou a kontinyen please.
GENERAL SECRETARY DAVID ANDRE Yes, sa ki mon kapab dir ou Onorab, se ki in pran en pe letan akoz zisteman mon’n eksplike ti annan en pe problenm lo bann zafer tender, ti annan serten dimoun ti pe claim ki zot in tender eksetera.

serten Donk verifikasyon, ki Heritage Section ti bezwen fer sa lepok.

annan ti Me apre ou konnen avek COVID osi i annan retar, donk ti’n met en stop avek sa proze.

Me sa dimoun, sa envestiser i montre ki i enterese.
E parey mon’n eksplike, dan sa ki i pe propoze, i pou annan bann outlet, ki pou met a dispozisyon parey bann dimoun ki ou pe dir, dimoun ki kapab rent out sa.

Sa bann dimoun ki ou pe dir bann artisan - bann dimoun.

So i ava annan posibilite, kot sa bann dimoun i ava ganny lespas pou zot fer serten aktivite ki relye avek, kiltir artizanal, oubyen lezot keksoz.

Donk mon sipoze bann dimoun Glacis, i ava en loportinite pou zot kapab vin devan.
E loportinite i ava vini ki zot a kapab apply pou zot vini, pou zot vin soumet zot bann proze, 26 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 zot bann keksoz ki zot annan pou fer.

So sa en keksoz ki mon kapab, dir ou.

I normalman i pou ganny 1an, pour li fer sa proze.

Du moment ki tou sa dokiman i ganny sinyen, bann lease and all i pou annan 1an pou li fer sa.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Klarifikasyon Onorab Esparon.

HON REGINA ESPARON Mersi Mr Speaker.

I annan enn ganny mon kestyon pa'n reponn.


Ki garanti ki zot pe donnen ki sa landrwa pa pou reste delapide, pou atir bann delenkan?

Parski an se moman son pli gro problenm la, se ki la anndan dan sa landrwa la, an vi ki i dan en nespes fernwar, bann delenkan i antre, a en moman i ti annan 11 zot pe reste la.

Met matla, fer tou bann kalite aktivite anti- sosyal.

Nou fer Lapolis pase, fer zot fann kler.

A en serten letan zot retournen.


Konmsi ki garanti ki zot pe donn nou, ki sa landrwa pa pou reste delapide e pa pou ganny akse, bann delenkan pa pou ganny akse pou fer sa bann aktivite anti-sosyal?

MR SPEAKER Mon’n konpran ou Onorab.

Mr Andre ou annan en repons please?

GENERAL SECRETARY DAVID ANDRE Donk sa ki nou pe fer, nou pou donn zot entry lo site.

Sa envestiser, pou li netwaye pour li komans anfen take care of sa landrwa.
E definitivman mon sipoze, i annan serten keksoz ki nou sipoze fer avek Lotorite sekirite, Lapolis pou verifye, parske sa si i annan serten aktivite ilegal, e pe ganny fer.

So mon sipoze Lapolis i kapab donn en koudmen lo la.

Be selman antretan nou pou donn sa dimoun permisyon, pour li antre pou li netwaye pou landrwa.

komans repar son Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Mr Andre Onorab Georges., Siplemanter.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Vis- Prezidan.

Bonzour Mr Andre, bonzour Ms Rose.


Mr Speaker mon ti a kontan, avek ou permisyon demann sa kestyon swivan.

Mr Andre etandonnen ki deza lo kote listwar nou, bann landrwa i nou annan, ki annan en serten lentere istorik i tre 27 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 limite.

E sa se enn ki annan en laspe nou listwar, ki nou kapab eksplwate, non selman pou touris, me osi pou konesans bann dimoun ki pe grandi isi Sesel.

annan Annefe sa i batiman ki nou pe koz lo la, la.


E across the road i annan en lot ankor, e en pe pli lwen i annan bann gun emplacements ki, tousala ti annan pou fer avek Lager Mondyal.

Annefe sa landrwa parey zot konnen, When Ships Comes anler li osi i annan serten lentere, defans dan Dezyenm Ger Mondyal.

Etandonnen sa, eski mon konpran lentere Onorab dan son distrik ki pe rod outlets pour bann pti biznes.

Me eski, nou pa devret plito valoriz son kote istorik?
E si pou annan okenn lezot keksoz ki pou asosye avek, annou asosye li dan en nivo istorik, pou donn o mwen en lot keksoz pour dimoun vizite.

En lot, en lot landrwa, e ki nou pa perdi sa dan nesesite Glacis pou annan en landrwa pou bann pti biznes ki tre neseser e ki fodre i arive.

Eski nou kapab ganny ou konfirmasyon ozordi, ki ou ava sey reponn sa de legzizans, premyerman ki nou ava annan son kote istorik ki pou ganny byen dokimante, pou ganny byen fer pour ki i kapab la pou vizite.
Non selman sa batiman ki nou pe koz lo la, me bann lezot osi.

avek I pa donn Par egzanp enn sa gun emplacement i annan enn pti siny lo la.

Epi li anndan i plen ros ek makadanm eksetera.

en lenpresyon, ki zoli e ki neseser.

Eski nou kapab ganny ou konfirmasyon, premyerman ki son kote istorik pou ganny valorize, lo nivo tou sa bann pti batiman?

E dezyenmman dan sa i ava annan en konteks, debouse pou bann zabitan Glacis osi.

San ki enn, i trespas lo lot.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Georges.


GENERAL SECRETARY DAVID ANDRE Mersi Onorab Georges.

Mon kontan pou Onorab ou sansib anver sa ki nou pe sey fer.

E enn bann difikilte ki, anfen Departman Lenstiti Kiltir e ansyen Minister Kiltir in annan se zisteman, finansman pour maintain sa bann moniman istorik ki nou annan.

E nou'n vwar lezot i annan plizyer landrwa, e sa i sagrinan pou tou Seselwa.
E letan i annan en dimoun i vini i anvi fer en keksoz nou la, 28 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 nou premye dabor se pou ankouraz sa dimoun, pou donn nou en koudmen.

Me tout an fezan sa, definitivman sa kote istorik i primordyal nou bezwen fer sir, ki i ganny prezerve.

I pa ganny, i pa ganny andomaze.

E i annan bann kriter tre spesifik ki nou pe mete, nou pe negosye.

Anfen pa negosye me ki nou pe mete avek sa envestiser pou fer sir ki i respekte valer istorik sa sit.
E parey ou'n dir, tout an fezan sa ki nou donn serten loportinite bann lezot Seselwa pou kapab fer serten aktivite ekonomik, ki pou anbelir sa landrwa osi, ki i ava ganny viziter ki ava osi kontribye pou maintain, sa landrwa.

gro problenm Akoz nou'n vwar Sesel, enn nou bann gro se nou annan en kiltir mentenans.

E i enportan ki nou kapab trouv serten funding, dan sa proze ki nou pe fer, pou fer sir ki sa landrwa i gard son kote istorik e maintain li.
E lezot osi keksoz ki annan dan sa landrwa, North East Point ler ou pe dir.

ganny prezerve e i anmenn osi en reveni pou nou popilasyon.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Mr Andre nou a pran kestyon Onorab William.

HON WAVEN WILLIAM Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker etandonnen ki Minis Tourizm pe dir ki lakantite ki vizit pei.

Me selman zot depans i vreman pa balanse avek lakantite touris ki vizit pei.

E par lefe ki an Oktob, la pou annan sa meeting Konsil Onorer.
E mon panse ki, zot kapab fer en prezantasyon dan sa meeting avek Minis Touris avek bann Konsil Onorer, pou kapab vwar bann fon par lefe ki i annan sa nosyon kot bann Konsil Onorer pou adopte enn parmi bann distrik.

So mon panse ki ava en sours petet pou reveni, ki zot kapab gannyen.

Eski zot kapab konsider sa lide ki mon pe met devan zot?

Mersi.

Mersi Mr Andre.

E i annan serten aktivite ki nou ti propoze avek Onorab Esparon.
Nou'n al fer vizit enn de fwa anler laba Glacis osi, kot nou kapab devlop serten lezot sit osi.

Pou fer sir ki sa kote bann valer istorik, kiltirel, i GENERAL SECRETARY DAVID ANDRE Wi definitivman.

Definitivman Onorab se en tre bon lide ofet, personnelman mon’n komans deza angaze avek serten bann Konsil Onorer, pou vwar ki 29 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 mannyer zot kapab donn en koudmen.

Pou fer sir ki nou, nou fer avanse serten proze.

Sirtou dan domenn kiltirel e artistik.


E parey ou konnen nou fek sorti Paris pou en gran levennman.

Donk mon'n ganny sans zwenn plizyer dimoun, e definitivman sa en lokazyon ki ou pe dir an Oktob.

Kot nou ava profite, pou nou met devan sa bann nide, sa bann proze, ki mon krwar i ava enteresan.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Mr Andre mon a pran siplemanter Onorab Cosgrow.

HON WALLACE COSGROW Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Mr Andre ek ou tim.


Mr Speaker enn bann keksoz ki mon ti anvi koz lo la, me mon krwar Onorab Georges in touse.

Mon ti pe enkyete ler mon tann nou pe koz lo labousri, landrwa ki fer sofa.

Me selman nou at the same time nou pe koz lo en sit leritaz.

E mon kontan ki zot in dir poudir sa heritage aspect i pou vin premye.

Apre si i annan lezot keksoz, then nou a kapab konsidere pou donn enn lanpler around sa pti pe landrwa.
Me mon kestyon, i tourn otour eski nou annan, eski zot annan en levanter of bann diferan landrwa ki annan, valer leritaz e valer kiltirel.

Eski zot annan en lenvanter, zot konnen kote?

Eski zot annan nide kwa ki zot anvi fer avek sa bann sit?

E eski zot annan en Polisi, tan ki zot pa en Minister, zot pa en Departman e zot operate parey VP in dir endepandaman avek Minister e departman.

Kwa ki gid zot Polisi, kote Polisi i sorti?


E kwa ki gid zot Polisi an sa ki konsern leritaz, proteksyon nou bann leritaz?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mr Andre oule adrese.

GENERAL SECRETARY DAVID ANDRE Definitivman Wi Onorab.

Lenstiti Kiltir, i annan en levanter anba seksyon Heritage.

I annan en levanter, tou bann landrwa, mon kapab donn ou enn de.

Par egzanp nou annan Mission Lodge, La Bastille, Domenn Val de Pres, La Plaines St Andre, Bel Ombre Treasure Site.
I annan en lalis bann landrwa ki bann sit leritaz, ki nou bezwen preserve.

30 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 E nou annan, nou annan en plan, nou annan anba nou Act sa Institute for Culture.

i annan bann Definitivman keksoz ki, obliz nou pou fer sir ki sa bann landrwa i ganny non selman prezerve.

Me solman devlope osi pou lezot dimoun kapab zwir ki swa etranze koman Seselwa.

E bann zanfan osi aprann ki tou Seselwa i konnen, ki nou leritaz i konpri.

Definitivman nou annan sa.

Mersi.


MR SPEAKER Mersi Mr Andre.

Vi ki nou pros 10er edmi, nou pou bezwen apel pou en poz la.

E nou a repran VP avek delegasyon, nou a repran kestyon 11er.

Mersi.

(BREAK) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Bonzour tou dimoun, byenveni pou kontinyasyon nou sesyon travay pour sa Mardi bomaten.

Donk nou pou kontinyen ek Question Time.

E pour sa enn kestyon i annan bann zofisye, ki'n sanze.

Ki Nou pe al pran kestyon kestyon Onorab 99.

Adelaide, ek bann zofisye ki'n zwenn nou.


I annan Sekreter Zeneral pour Lenstiti Kiltir avek Leritaz e Lar Mr David Andre i la.

Direkter Egzekitiv ankor Creative Seychelles Agency Mr Emmanuel D’Offay in zwenn nou, e Direkter Egzekitiv pour International Events Intellectual Investment Mr Property and Gallen Bresson.

Byenveni e Vis-Prezidan i ankor avek nou.

Donk mon ava en vit Onorab Adelaide pou prezant son kestyon silvouple.

HON FRANCOIS ADELAIDE Mersi Mr Speaker.


Ankor enn fwa bonzour VP avek ou delegasyon.

tou lekout.

dimoun Espesyalman bann mizisyen dan Sesel.

Mon kestyon i al koumsa, Bonzour a ki Eski Minis i kapab donn Lasanble detay lo stati Stad Lanmizik ki sitye dan distrik Larivyer Anglez, son kou total, son plan litilizasyon, bann fasilite ki pour egziste ladan, e kan eski i pour ganny inogire e ganny met a dispozisyon lepanouisman Seselwa pour nou kiltir Kreol?

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.


Vis- Prezidan Afif.

THE VICE-PRESIDENT MR AHMED AFIF Mersi bokou Mr Speaker.

Mersi Onorab, Mr Speaker avek ou permisyon, mon a permet 31 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Sekreter Zeneral Andre pou reponn sa kestyon, vi ki i tonm anba kiltir.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Sertennman, Mr Andre.

GENERAL SECRETARY DAVID ANDRE Bonzour ankor enn fwa tou dimoun.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.


Stad Lanmizik in fin ganny konplete e in ganny lakle, donnen avek CEO CINEA sa letan, ki Mr Bresson le 11 Septanm 2020.

I pe aktyelman pe ganny servi par Minister Lasante koman en sant pou fer bann tes PCR.

Nou konnen dan letan ganny pandemik, nou demande pour, demann pou pran Music Stadium, pou servi koman en sant pou fer bann tes PCR.

ti Son kou total pou fini sa kout in R22milyon Lanmizik, Stad Gouvernman 799mil 244.16.
Son plan litilizasyon, apre ki restriksyon in ganny tire par Minister Lasante, e keksoz i retourn normal, Stad Lanmizik i ava ganny servi pou bann spektak mizikal.

E osi bann lezot performans artistik pou devlopman promosyon e Lendistri Kreativite.

Sa landrwa otour Stad Lanmizik, pou ganny amelyore e anbelir pou met, valer azoute avek sa stad koman sipor pou bann aktivite par egzanp, bann kyosk ki pou vann manze rafresisman, kiosk ki pou bann mizisyen i kapab vann zot CD, zot disk.
Be ki se ki sa landrwa ai vin en vilaz artistik e i servi li, non selman pou bann spektak mizikal.

Me lezot aktivite, ki annan pou fer avek Lendistri Kiltirel.

Bann fasilite ki pou egziste ladan.

Stad Lanmizik i annan tou fasilite neseser, pou son fonksyonnman.

Sa i enkli fasilite twalet, changing room, waiting area, e lasal kot bann artis zot i kapab prepar mantalman e fizikman avan mont lo lasenn.

E osi bann lasal repetisyon.


ganny met Seselwa E kan eski i pou ganny a inogire e dispozisyon pou lepanouisman nou kiltir Kreol?

Mr Speaker parey mon’n dir dan mon lentrodiksyon, Stad Lanmizik pou selman pou selman vin fonksyonnel ler nou pou ganny permisyon avek Minister Lasante.

E selman ler Minister Lasante, i vwar li apropriye pou zot sorti pou servi sa landrwa koman en landrwa pou tes PCR.

32 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Akoz nou konnen sa priyorite Nasyonal.
i en Du moman ki zot sorti, nou pou antre, pou nou komans fer nou bann aktivite.

Mersi bokou.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Mr Andre, siplemanter Onorab Adelaide?

HON FRANCOIS ADELAIDE Mersi Mr Andre pou ou larepons.

Premye kestyon mon oule demann ou, vi ki nou tou nou konnen ki Minister Lasante in dir ki le 15, tou keksoz pou large.

E de plis mon krwar Minister Lasante, i annan ase landrwa pou zot kapab transfer zot bann servis.

E donn sa pou mizisyen akoz, sa ti en keksoz pou mizisyen.
Mon le konnen petet, ki komanter ou annan pou fer lo la.

Akoz parey mon pe dir ou, nou konnen pe al large le 15, so ki pli boner posib, donn nou en frame, pour ki bann time mizisyen deor zot a konnen, zot a komans prepar zot.

Apre mon lot siplemanter se ki, nou tann poudir konplent poudir lanmizik pou fer tapaz dan lavil.

E i annan bann distrik ki otour sa stad.


Eski i annan survey, ouswa eski i annan bann letid ki'n ganny fer, pou determinen si vreman sa stad, lo fason ki in ganny fer i pou vreman pou napa sa lenpak polisyon tapaz dan zanmirant lavil e pou bann dimoun a lantour?

Apre petet mon dernyen pti kestyon se, sa stad li menm lanmizik ler nou pe dir Stad Lanmizik.

Apepre konbyen petet dimoun i kapab pran, ler fer en show?

Ki nou pou maksimonm i kapab pran?

Mersi.


MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab i annan trwa kestyon, panel.

GENERAL SECRETARY DAVID ANDRE Mersi pou ou kestyon.

Parey mon’n dir du moman ki Minister Lasante i ofisyelman dir i pe sorti, pou fer bann tes PCR.

Nou ava komans antre pou fer bann preparasyon pou nou komans lo en progranm, pli vit posib pou nou kapab fer bann aktivite ladan.

travay Ou'n koz lo si i annan en survey ki'n ganny fer, pour evalye kantite tapaz ki i kree.
Me depi ler Stad Lanmizik in fer, in napa okenn spektak ki'n fer ladan.

So i ase difil poudir si vreman i pe disturb dimoun oubyen vi pa pou disturb dimoun.

Nou prezimen sa i serten, annan kapab 33 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 disturbance.

Me selman sa i pa ankor arive.

Me parey mon’n eksplike i annan keksoz ki nou pe travay lo la dan nou plan, pou fer si ki napa nou minimiz bann tapaz ki kapab evantyelman egziste zour nou pou komans servi li.
E maksimonm dimoun ki sa stad i kapab pran, i prezimen sa stad i kapab pran apepre 8000 dimoun 8-10mil dimoun.

Dapre survey ki'n ganny fer.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Mr Andre.

Onorab Adelaide annan ou klarifikasyon?

pti HON FRANCOIS ADELAIDE klarifikasyon.

Dernyen Ordinerman sa bilding i pou zot, i anba zot responsabilite.
Eski i annan koze avek Minister Lasante, eski i annan koze ant zot ek Minister Lasante, pour ki Minister Lasante i kapab dir zot kan i pou sorti, pou bann artis ganny zot landrwa?

Ou konpran mwan ou.

I zot rol, pou zot koz avek Minister Lasante, e non-pa Minister Lasante pou reste la dan ziska ler li i anvi, sorti.

So sa i pou Minister Kiltir.

Mon oule konnen si negosyasyon, ant Minister Kiltir avek Minister Lasante, pou zot i annan kapab ganny zot landrwa, pou epanouisman artis?

Mersi.
Mersi.

bann MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Panel.

GENERAL SECRETARY DAVID ANDRE Mr Speaker, mon ti ava kontan demann Mr D’Offay pou reponn sa kestyon silvouple.

Avek ou permisyon.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Sertennman.

Mr D’Offay?

DIRECTOR EXECUTIVE EMMANUEL D’OFFAY Bonzour tou dimoun.

Bonzour bann Onorab.

Onorab pou reponn ou kestyon wi, i annan en konsiltasyon ki pe go on avek Minister Lasante an se moman menm.

Nou'n anvoy zot let, nou'n demann zot pou eksprimen ki zot sa.
E i annan lendikasyon, ki dernyen konversasyon ki nou'n gannyen ek Minister Lasante zot pe fer plan pou zot re-rann nou Music Stadium.

Vwala kot nou ete dan nou demars avek Minister Lasante.

Me in annan kominikasyon avek Minister Lasante.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER 34 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Mersi Mr D’Offay.

Mon a pas laparol aprezan avek Manm Elekte distrik English River Onorab Labonte.

HON ANDY LABONTE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Vis-Prezidan e delegasyon an antye.


Nou'n vreman apresye ki en Stad Lanmizik in ganny fer pou al, pou kapab ed bann artis pou defoule.

Me selman en keksoz ki pa kler, akoz Mr Andre la in konfirmen, ki i pa kapab dir si vreman i pou en, noise disturbance dan English River.

Me selman ou'n dir poudir sa stad pa ankor zanmen ganny servi.

Me malerezman in deza annan en trial, sa tapaz ti deza, tro bokou pou zabitan La Rivière Anglaise.
E en lot keksoz ankor ou'n konfirmen ki sa stad pou pran 8000a 10mil dimoun.

E mon mazinen ki usually i annan bann spektak parey, i transpor ki toultan annan ganny servi.

Eski in zot mazinen osi?

Akoz mon pa'n tann ou dan ou prezantasyon, koz lo parking malgre ki ou'n dir i annan tou lezot fasilite.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Panel?

SECRETARY DAVID ANDRE GENERAL oubyen Wi mersi.

Parey mon’n eksplike, mwan mon pa en eksper dan enzenyer, dan whatever.
Stad pa ankor ganny servi pou fer en show kot nou kapab, vreman evalye ki kalite lenpak sonor i annan lo bann dimoun dan sa lanvironnman.

Si in fer en ese kot nou'n santi poudir, zabitan i santi poudir vre i pou annan en disturbance, sa i posib.

Me selman i pa ankor ganny servi, koman pou fer en spektak.

Me parey mon’n eksplike mon krwar nou tou, nou kapab rezonnen e lozikman en landrwa ki open air, i kapab annan posibilite ki i fer tapaz.
Me selman nou pa kapab dir presizeman, wi i pou annan en disturbance oubyen si serten ler ki nou pou fer sa bann aktivite, i pou akseptab pou fer e arete en serten ler, pou pa disturb lezot dimoun.

Sa i bann keksoz ki nou pou bezwen vwar.

Sa ki nou bezwen realize, i annan en stad ki'n ganny fer, pour bann mizisyen.

E sa stad in ganny fer en bon pe letan pase, nou pa kapab retourn an aryer.
So nou bezwen gete ki mannyer nou kapab mitigate sa keksoz, ki mannyer nou kapab servi li dan en fason ki pa pou disturb dimoun an menm tan ki pou kapab permet nou, pou fer 35 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 bann aktivite ki nou merit fer.

E amelyor li o firamezir, an mezir nou ale.

An se ki konsern parking.

Parking dimoun ki pou vin, bann dimoun ki pou vin kot sa Stad Lanmizik, normalman bann dimoun pa pou park la.

Akoz napa vreman gran fasilite parking.


Zis bann dimoun ki pou enplike direkteman kekfwa bann artis bann Lazans ki pli involve dan sa bann aktivite.

Me si non piblik li menm i pou park, an deor pou napa fasilite parking.

Swa nou a park kot stadium, oubyen kot Espace lot kote, oubyen en pe partou dan lavil dimoun i marse pou vin la.

Akoz i pa lwen pou sorti nenport ki landrwa lavil pou vin la apye.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Klarifikasyon Onorab Labonte.


HON ANDY LABONTE Mersi Mr Andre pou ou leksplikasyon.

Just in regards to bann lezot servis ki ou dir i pou annan ladan se ki, pou annan bann kyosk kot dimoun pou kapab vann manze.

Eski zabitan La Riviere Anglaise, vi ki zot ki pe plis sibir sa kou tapaz, zot pou annan serten priyorite, when it comes bann servis ki pe ganny donnen dan sa stad li menm li?

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Panel.

I GENERAL SECRETARY DAVID ANDRE Definitivman.


mean definitivman i pou annan bann appel d’offre, bann dimoun ki ava enterese pou vin partisipe dan sa bann aktivite.

E mon krwar i totalman normal, ki si i annan dimoun dan la rezyon la Rivière Anglaise ki kapab ofer bann servis, ki ale avek, Mon pa vwar okenn problenm avek sa.

Definitivman wi.

Letan sa bann letan i ava arive, Dimoun i ava konnen zot ava fer zot bann demars neseser pou Yeah definitivman.

partisipe.

zot MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Mr Andre.


Mon a donn laparol Onorab Vidot.

HON AUDREY VIDOT Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, mon ti le demann avek Mr Andre.

Prenon kont ki avan ti annan konsern ki nou ti leve avek Lasante.

Ler kot sa bout morso kot bann dimoun, ti provide zot I.D cart, letan soley for apre lapli, ti annan konsern lo sa bout area.
36 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 pou rann Akoz mon konnen ler Lasante Stad Lanmizik, posibilite sa landrwa zot pou servi pou vann tiket.

Sa bout area an deor, kot stad la.

Eski in fini adrese, oubyen i deza fini annan en plan ki'n fini prepare pou petet extend en kouvertir, lo sa bout area, ki petet ler Stad Lanmizik pou reoperate, bann dimoun ki si zot pe vann tiket dan sa bout area, lapli soley bann dimoun at least i annan en proper kouvertir.

Sa i enn.
Sa i enn.

Apre i annan konsern ki i annan dimoun letan ki zot ti pe al laba pour PCR, zot in vwar serten bann crack, dan bilding inside.

Eski sa pa en problenm, i pa en danze?

Zis pou eklersi.

Thank you.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Panel.

GENERAL SECRETARY DAVID ANDRE Mr Speaker mon kapab avek ou permisyon demann Mr D’Offay pou eklersi Onorab silvouple.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Sertennman.

Mr D’Offay.

DIRECTOR EXECUTIVE EMMANUEL D’OFFAY Onorab mersi pou ou kestyon.
Pou reponn ou kestyon, ler - I crack, mean ou dir nou i annan dimoun i in vwar kouvertir booth.

Ler Minister i rann nou Music Lasante, Stadium, nou pou bezwen al reevalye li.

Akoz pandan sa bann letan i dan zot, i dan zot posesyon zot ki ti pe servi, nou pou al reevalye.

E konsiderasyon pe ganny pran pou kouver sa bout parey ou pe demande kot booth pou I pou annan serten ticket.
keksoz ki nou bezwen fer pou asire ki sa, sa Stad Lanmizik i donn maksimonm konfor, ki bann dimoun i bezwen ler zot pe vin servi, nou bann kliyan.

Mersi.

zot oule MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi pou ou larepons.

Ti napa lezot Manm ki ti'n endike, poudir demann kestyon lo sa enn kestyon.

Donk napa personn ki mon’n manke.

Si napa alor nou a pran en poz pou sanitize.

Akoz nou pou sanz panel, pou pas lo lot kestyon.

Nou ava remersi bann zofisye, sorti kot Lenstiti Kiltir Lar avek Leritaz, pou zwenn nou bomaten.
Nou a pran en poz sanitize pou nou kapab anmenn lot Zofisye.

Mersi pou zot prezans.

37 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 (technical break) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ankor enn fwa byenveni.

Nou pou kontinyen ek nou sesyon kestyon pour la bomaten.

Nou pou aprezan pas lo kestyon 98 ki pou Onorab Gill.

Zofisye ki'n zwenn nou se Sef Egzekitiv SBC Mr Berard Dupres e Vis- Prezidan Ahmed Afif i ankor avek nou.

Donk mon ava envit Onorab Churchill pou poz son kestyon silvouple.
HON CHURCHILL GILL Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour CEO.

Eski sa Lasanble i kapab ganny lesplikasyon: - ki Konbyen ler raportaz SBC zofisye baze Praslin i anvoy lenformasyon e enportan pou benefis zabitan sa 2 zil?

airtime i donnen pertinan kont Prenon ki lenformasyon sorti lo sa 2 zil, i pa pas tou le zour, akoz ki SBC i bezwen sa bann edit lenformasyon dan en fason ki i vin bokou pli kourt e bann pwen pertinan pa ganny pase?

Mersi.

THE VICE-PRESIDENT MR AHMED AFIF Mersi bokou Mr Speaker.

mersi Onorab.
mersi Onorab.

Mr Speaker vi ki SBC i en lenstitisyon endepandan e menm ki SBC ki tonm anba portfolyo lenformasyon, i tonm anba Biro Vis-Prezidan, sa kestyon i teknik, e baze lo son bann loperasyon.

E avek ou permisyon mon ti a demann avek CEO pou reponn kestyon.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Sertennman.

Mr Dupres?

CEO SBC BERARD DUPRES Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Mr Deputy Speaker eskiz mwan.

Bonzour tou Manm Onorab ek tou dimoun a lekout.


i Praslin Lo premye kestyon ki demande konbyen airtime ki raportaz i donnen ler zot zofisye baze anvoy lenformasyon pertinan.

Airtime setadir ki kantite letan ki en raportaz i gannyen dan en bilten, i baze lo son lenportans medyatik.

Son news worthiness parey i ganny dir an Angle.

Savedir son relevans, konteks e lenportans vizavi nou manda pou enformen, e edik piblik.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Vis-Prezidan.


An menm tan, mon bezwen fer resorti ki parey tou medya, SBC i osi esey swiv bann standar etabli konsernan 38 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 grander reportaz.

Sa i egzize ki en rapor i pas depas 3 minit an mwayenn ekstre entervyou oubyen diskour i an mwayenn 45 segonn.

e bann Sa bann Partikilyerman, Se sa ki nou pe montre nou bann zournalis, ki zwenn nou e ki an zeneral nou ekspekte zot aplike letan zot fer zot rapor pou komans raportaz.
tel konsiderasyon, i responsabilite hiérarchie nou lasal redaksyon.

nou redakter ki kontinyelman zot bezwen reviz e priyoritiz bann reportaz pou en bilten.

Napa okenn kantite airtime oubyen letan spesifik ki ganny dedye pou Praslin.

Nou konsider tou nouvel dan konteks Sesel, an antye avan tou.

chef, an I enportan pou fer resorti, ki apard nouvel, SBC i fer son mye pou kouver nou bann Zil Pros Praslin ek La Digue an partikilye, atraver bann lezot progranm televizyon ek radyo.
Ou dezyenm kestyon, parey mon’n mansyonnen taler, bann editer ki reviz bann reportaz, dan en fason ki zot reste an konteks e relevans avek sa size ki pe raport lo la.

E byensir pou reste an ankor avek nou bann editoryal e nou bann standar etablir.

Parey mon’n dir avan enn sa bann standar, etabli se ki en reportaz pa devret depas 3minit.
Enn bann preokipasyon kotidyen lo lasal nouvel i pou pas an revi reportaz sa i enkli koupe, senplifye, e bann detay ki pa neseser ganny retire, afen ki sa bann rapor i ganny pli byen asimile par nou lodyans, avan ki nou pe pas sa bann tel lenformasyon.

Sa redaksyon pa ganny fer avek zis bann reportaz ki sorti ou relye avek Praslin.

I ganny fer avek tou reportaz, e sa i tipik partou dan bann tou lasal redaksyon atraver lemonn.
Si i annan lenstans kot raportaz in ganny koupe, ou senplifye dan en lenformasyon neseser pa’n ganny pase, SBC i plis ki kontan pou resevwar bann tel konplent spesifik.

Sa i ava ed nou pou amelyore.

fason kot i ki tan SBC An menm i annan rekonnet ki lenformasyon, ganny pase e ki pa posib pou pas li dan sa 3 minit ki en reportaz pe donnen.
enportan ki nou Dan sa bann ka nou demande ganny enformen byen davans, pour nou kapab organize pou filmen, swa pou en News Extra - en lot progranm televizyon ou radyo, oubyen menm pou rikorde, pas preski an antye pli tar.

39 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 I osi enportan Deputy Speaker, pou note ki SBC pe finans en lofis permanan lo Praslin.

An se moman i annan en travay ki pe ganny fer pou donn plis lespas travay pou nou bann staff Praslin.
E i bon note ki bann sa rekomandasyon ki Komite Medya dan Lasanble Nasyonal ti fer apre ki zot ti fer zot vizit lo lofis Praslin pli boner sa lannen.

enn i E resaman nou’n ranforsi nou lekip Praslin avek en lot zournalis sorti Mahé.

Sa de pwen i en lendikasyon ki SBC, i pran son zefor pou donn otan kouvertir lo Praslin ek La Digue o serye.

Mersi Mr Deputy Speaker.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi pou Onorab siplemanter?

Churchill larepons CEO.

Gill, HON CHURCHILL GILL Mersi Mr Speaker.


Mersi CEO pou leksplikasyon.

Selman ou a dakor ek mwan ki menm sa standar 3 minit, i annan de ka kot SBC i pas serten reportaz ki bokou plis ki 3minit.

Dan sa konteks koumsa ki mon pe koze, si i annan loportinite ki serten raportaz sorti Praslin ki pertinan - Natirelman pa tou reportaz, ki ganny klasifye koman pertinan - i ganny sa menm loportinite.

Nide se sa ki nou pe rode, ler i annan bann lenformasyon ki tre enportan pou zabitan, i ganny sans pase.
Mwan mon respekte striktir mannyer i fer, mannyer ou'n eksplike.

Me selman lasal dan editasyon kot zot edit.

petet Mon konnen zot en bann profesyonnel.

Me selman par ler vi ki nou, nou involve dan sa bann lenformasyon ki nou pe koz lo la, nou santi petet par ler pwen pertinan pa sorti, dan sa sans ki nou pe koze.

Petet revwar byen, ler i ganny edite ki lenformasyon i dan son konteks e i pertinan.

a kapab E sa i a fer ki zabitan sa 2 ganny zot zil, lenformasyon.
Akoz nou kapab konpran, ki pa tou dimoun ki ganny sans vwar lenformasyon ler i pe arive.

Bokou dimoun i depan lo televizyon apre, pou zot lenformasyon.

Se dan sa konteks ki nou pe demande ki otan posib, kot i annan loportinite fer nou osi ganny sa loportinite pou benefis bann dimoun.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Gill.

Mr Dupres.

CEO SBC BERARD DUPRES 40 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Mersi Onorab pou ou feedback - i apresye nou pran li, nou take li onboard.
E annefe i en feedback ki nou gannyen pa zis sorti Praslin.

Me an zeneral dan bann reportaz SBC, ki pou ranforsi lafason ki mannyer kominik mesaz dan en fason pli pointu, pou nou stakeholders.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi, pou ou larepons.

Onorab Woodcock.

HON WAVEL WOODCOCK Mersi, Mr Deputy Speaker.

VP mon kestyon i comme swivan; mwan Permet pou komanse Deputy Speaker par remersye bann Praslin.

Sirtou Davis, Ms li osi, Ms Alisson Dugasse Nicole Asba pou sa bon travay ki zot pe fer.
reporter Mon kestyon i sirtou kot i konsern bann progranm lo zil, eski ou kapab spesifye bann progranm aktyel, radyo ek televizyon ki kouver rapor, lo Praslin osi e La Digue.

E par lefe ki progranm ‘Zil Pros An Mouvman’ i kouver spesifikman kominote biznes ki benefisye - ki benefis ki sa i anmennen pou bann biznes lo Praslin?

Enn pti pe ki bann challenge osi ki SBC i pe fer fas avek?

Akoz mon konnen i annan en kantite - pou limit resours limite ki zot annan en pas travayer.
Konmsi ki enn pti pe bann dezavantaz, bann difikilte ki zot pe fer fas avek e ki mannyer zot pou accommodate sa bann difikilte ki zot pe fer fas avek?

An vi sa gro travay ki zot pe fer lo Praslin?

Mersi.

CEO SBC BERARD DUPRES Mersi Onorab.

Mersi pou ou feedback - i apresye.

Tou an rekonesan sa bann defi, nou committed pou nou kapab kontinyen fer bann progranm parey ‘Zil Pros An Mouvman.’ I progranm annan televizyon.

Apre mon a vin lo pou radyo ki nou pe kontinyen fer pou sey kouver Praslin.
lezot ‘Tremolo’ tanzantan i monte, pou fer serten pwen lo I apropriye poudir vi la.

tanzantan nou pe koz televizyon ek nouvel, ki lo radyo nou osi annan konteni ki kouver Praslin e Zil Pros.

An se moman i annan en lekip radyo lo Praslin ki pe travay lo edisyon Praslin pou trwa progranm.

‘Nouvote’, ki pou kouver bann artis Praslin, ‘Laz Dor’ ki kouver bann trwazyenm-az.

E ‘Vizit’ ki kouver bann biznes e diferan lendistri.
I osi annan en nouvo i progranm ‘Kokosye’, ki li 41 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 i en kouver zis Praslin.

E versyon Zil Pros An Mouvman lo radyo.

So mon oule profite fer enn pti advertisement pou nou lot platform radyo dan sa konteks.

Lo kote ‘Zil Pros An Mouvman’, wi i en resours, nou commit sa bann resours.

Mon krwar, i donnen vizibilite bann biznes Praslin dan en fason pozitiv.
An menm tan ou kapab rekonnet poudir i annan biznes lo Mahé ki dir be nou ki mannyer, nou pa pe ganny sa kalite exposure?

Be zisteman sa enn bann pozitiv ki nou bezwen rekonnet dan nou zefor pou Praslin.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Mr Dupres.

Mon vwar, Onorab Woodcock pe endike - ou le clarité.

HON WAVEL WOODCOCK Wi en siplemanter Mr Deputy Speaker.
CEO mon konnen, dan sa bann dernyen mon krwar poudir bann Onorab ki'n ganny plis coverage Sesel, se bann Onorab lo Praslin, enkli proporsyonnel Liaison Officer.

Si nou pou admet, nou ase souvan lo televizyon enkli nou Liaison Officer osi.

Petet ou kapab donn nou en pe detay - mon pa konnen si ou pou annan sa statistik avek ou la - li dirasyon reportaz, coverage Praslin e La Digue pe gannyen an mwayen par mwan lo SBC?

Mersi.

ki progranm CEO SBC BERARD DUPRES Mersi pou ou kestyon Onorab.
Mon napa statistik spesifik lo sa dirasyon.

Akoz petet nou preokipasyon i pa neseserman vin dirasyon.

Me avek kalite bann nou anmennen.

E mon kapab dir i annan bokou - parey mon’n donn legzanp.

Sepandan lo kote zis reportaz nouvel an mwayenn, nou'n mon krwar nou'n, nou kapab provide sa statistik ki ou'n demande me pour lo kote nouvel, mon krwar mon’n ganny en pe la, mon pa konnen si i kapab dan prezantab.

Me selman petet, mon pe rod en figure pou mwan donn ou.
Depi Zanvye ziskan lafen Zen, nou'n ganny nou'n fer nou an total 50 spesifik news item, ki relye avek Praslin.

E 23 ki relye avek La Digue.

Tout an rekonesan ki i annan ankor fer, bokou ki nou kapab sanmenm sa nou'n beef up ou tim Praslin.

E si ou pou porsyon li relativ avek bann lezot 23 distrik ki reste Mahé, mon 42 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 krwar i en o statistik.

Mersi Onorab.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Mr Dupres.

Mon’n rekonnet Onorab Aglae ti’n endike ou le demann kestyon.
HON EGBERT AGLAE Mersi Mr Speaker.

CEO dan ou larepons ou'n fer resorti ki zot annan en standar - en norm enternasyonal ki zot servi letan zot pe fer bann raportaz lo medya.

E enn bann eleman kot ou'n nonmen, ou'n site se news item worthy petet.

So mon kestyon, i ladan petet en?


An vi ki se zournalis li menm li ki, labaz prodiksyon sa nouvel ler zot ti pe fer interview, avek okenn endividi dan okenn levennman, sirtou la nou koz dan konteks Praslin, Eski prezan bann kestyon ki mon krwar i enportan, pour ganny demande a sa endividi baze lo sa levennman ki zot pe kouver, eski zot etablir en format pour kapab sa ki pe ganny interview, i kapab fer sorti son konsern klerman.
San ki i bezwen, ki parfwa ou pe vwar bokou bann voice over zis pou ou re-kapte en fwa.

I pa kapte osi, sa ki petet sa ki sa dimoun pe dir.

Eski zot pe servi en standar pou fer sir ki, the juice of the event, i ganny kapte.

E sa ki pe met son konsern devan i kapab servi?

E lot osi enportan, se how far ki zot ale osi pou ganny the views dan bann lenstans kot, i kapab annan serten sityasyon kot ou bezwen annan tou lede kote views.

The pros and the cons, parey nou dir.


Eski zot fer sir ki sa bann keksoz i ganny adere pou kapab anmenn sa fairness dan sa bann reportaz?

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mr Dupres?

CEO SBC BERARD DUPRES Mersi Onorab pou kestyon.

Sa bout ki ou'n leve an term pou pli byen capture sa interviewee, i en challenge ki de kote.

I sa zournalis li menm.

Parey nou konnen, me osi sa interviewee i reponn son ki mannyer kestyon.
E parfwa nou ankouraze ki, i to the point, short and sweet, parey Angle i dir.

Ki i kapab ede ki zot vin ek zot soundbar ki zot, zot ti ava kontan i pase.

E fer sir ki sa i ganny dir.

E sa i ede ladan.

E bann nou stakeholder, ler zot annan en levennman, oubyen en keksoz zot anvi pas ek lapres.

I annan en written press statement ki point out lo la ki mon ti a kontan ankouraz osi 43 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 i ganny dir.

Sa i benefis sa zournalis.


Nou rekonnet poudir, menm si sa i annan parfwa, sa pa ganny relye dan en fason apropriye, to the satisfaction of sa stakeholder.

E nou pe travay lo la.

Nou annan - annefe i annan en diskisyon an se moman dan nou editoryal, pou nou vwar ki mannyer, an plis ka sa 3 ou 5 minute or whatever, ki nou kapab fer dan news, nou donn better reprezantasyon, better exposure, pour sa ki'n lo serten size ganny dir pertinan.
Sa i en travay kontinyel, e mon enn bann diskisyon ki nou annan se pour nou kapab engage avek bann stakeholders, zisteman lo en fason fer ki en pe pli byen, ki en pe pli agreab pou nou tou lede kote.

Tout an rekonesan nou bann defi, pour nou kapab kit li dan sa format ki nou, nou annan.

Sa i enn.

Apre lo kote balans.

Mon krwar si nou sey rekonnet, i annan en bon pe travay, ki'n ganny fer pou anmenn balans, dan nou bann rapor.
E si i pa ganny fer toudswit i ganny fer o firamezir sa size sa topik i ganny depouye, dan diferan fason, pa zis dan nouvel.

Eski nou kapab fer pli byen?

Byensir.

E sa nou rekonnet e feedback ki ganny ki nou gannyen, ki pointu lo tel ou tel reportaz, i pa'n balanse oubyen kwa, i ed nou osi pou nou kapab amelyore, pou nou kapab pran li onboard, pou nou kapab fer li better next time.

Mersi Onorab.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Mr Dupres, mon’n sezi lapant kestyon Onorab Aglae.
Solman mon kosyonn Lasanble subject matter i Praslin, let’s keep it lo travay SBC lo Praslin.

Mon ava apel Onorab Adelaide.

HON FRANCOIS ADELAIDE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour CEO Dupres.

CEO mwan mon kestyon petet, Speaker gid mwan si mon al out of order.

Me selman mon krwar i in order.

An mon konnen zournalis i pa en tyak, i en i pa en dyob, profesyon.

kapab delivre E pou ou fer sa travay, mon krwar i devret annan bann bagaz ki ou antreprann.
E pou ou selon lekspektasyon, eski kot SBC, zot annan sa bann kour pou bann zournalis, pou ou donn bagaz zournalis pour ki zot vin profesyonnel, e ki zot kapab lobzektif?

Vi ki attend zot zournalis i katriyenm pilye la demokrasi.

i mon krwar So eski zot annan bann course ki zot train zournalis pou 44 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 zot vin en profesyonnel, non pa zis vini rod en, dyob zis pou fer sa travay?

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ou zis lo border, me sa i enkli bann zournalis ki pe baze li Praslin avek La Digue i osi.

Proceed Mr Dupres.

CEO SBC BERARD DUPRES Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mersi Onorab pou ou kestyon.

I pertinan.

Challenge ki nou annan, dan mon krwar tou profesyon osi, se atrakte e retain caliber zournalis.

Me osi dimoun ki pran li koman en vokasyon.

I pa zis en travay.

Ou kapab donn bokou.

Me SBC i donn en ta training, Learning Centre i pe roule.

zournalis.

Met En batch i vini, en lot i vini.


E nou kontinyen demann tou nou training additional bann an aplikasyon i en lot keksoz, e i pa zis nouvo zournalis ki devret mete.

Zournalis ki la de long dat, ki'n deza adapte e kontinyen keep on top lo zot profesyon.

Mon pou profite petet fer resorti ki, si nou petet anvi lev en pe plis standar, nou bezwen get saler ki nou pe peye pou atrakte sa profesyon.

E nou'n fer travay pandan sa lannen ki'n pase, pour nou revwar of Service pou Scheme zournalis.
E nou'n pa'n kapab enplimante akoz in ganny dir, nou bezwen tenir, nou bezwen espere.

So pou nou i mars de kote.

Si nou anvi lev standar, nou anvi ganny pli bon kalite, nou osi bezwen fer atrakte kalite.

Pou bann ki deza la, i annan en travay kontinyel pou nou donn sa ki nou apel in service, peer to peer, ki plis ki 70poursan of the training that you have.

I annan bon kalite ki nou kapab swiv.

E lezot osi i pe ganny ankouraze e nou striktir hiérarchie nou zoom, i enn ki baze bokou lo feedback.
So nou bezwen travay avek sa ki nou annan, dan nou toll.

E nou pe kontinyelman fer pou amelyore.

Zisteman mon a profite, i annan Diploma in Journalism Course ki pe ganny advertise par University of Seychelles for the next second batch.

SBC i pare pou sponsor scholarship pou bann etidyan ki'n fini la, pou zot vini pou zot kapab vin dan sa profesyon.

E mon pe ekspekte ki nou respekte osi sa valer sa profesyon ki ou Onorab ou’n donn li katriyenm pilye nou demokrasi ki enportan.
E parfwa petet enn bann komanter sosyal or an zeneral 45 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 ki fer ki dekouraz dimoun pou vin dan sa profesyon osi, or sa saler ki annan lezot talan pli attractive ki sa profesyon ladan.

Sa osi nou bezwen konsidere koman en pa zis SBC, be dan nou pei an zeneral.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Mr Dupres.

Onorab Gabriel.

The gist of the question i reste en, Praslin.

HON CONRAD GABRIEL Mersi Mr Speaker.

welcome Mr Dupres.
welcome Mr Dupres.

Zis an pasan, mon ti anvi konnen, apepre konbyen i pe kout SBC pou mentenir sa lofis Praslin?

Donn nou enn pti pe lozistik detay ki kalite work base ki ou annan?

E nou konnen ou anvi beef up sa process.

Ki zot pe mete pou 2023, pou kapab mentenir e fer sa Praslin relevan konmsi, lo kote journalism.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mr Dupres.

CEO SBC BERARD DUPRES Mersi Onorab.


Parey mon’n mansyonnen pli boner, deza nou'n komans met en pe resours bezwen lwe additional space dan sa bilding, pou nou kapab fer ki i annan, plis lespas pou Praslin.

Nou'n nou 4, ou 5 staff la, ki mannyer i annan en dan en tranzisyon.

E pou kapab allow en pe nou bann staff Mahé si ler zot pou al travay zot kapab edit, Praslin, fer zot travay Praslin e anvoy sa Mahé.

So deza nou ep double mon kapab dir nou kapasite rental pou office space.
Nou'n pe envestir dan IT ankor pou al lekipman enable transfer better lenformasyon avek Mahé.

Lo kote pou lemoman nou krwar ki optimal, nou bezwen get li dan konteks SBC an antye, ki li osi annan son kontrent pou li ganny zournalis an zeneral.

resours imen, parey mon’n i Me mansyonnen lezot i annan progranm e mwan mon anvi fer pwen lo la, ase byen ki pe fer sorti Mahé pou kapab kouver nou bann lezot Zil Pros.

Mersi Onorab.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Mr Dupres.

Mon pas laparol avek Onorab Loizeau.


HON NORBERT LOIZEAU Mersi Mr Deputy.

Bonzour VP, bonzour msye CEO Dupres.

CEO mon anvi demann ou en kestyon Praslin.

En nouvel i bezwen news worthy pou pas lo televizyon.

Mon korek?

Ok. relasyon an ek 46 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Ki kriter zot servi pou Praslin, menm si i pa news worthy nou pase akoz Praslin, La Digue i laba, nenport ki keksoz ki zis nou filmen, menm i pa news worthy nou bezwen pase, akoz pou Praslin?
Mon ti a kontan ou rann mwan sa larepons.

Mersi.

fer plezir MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi pou ou kestyon.

CEO.

CEO SBC BERARD DUPRES Mersi pou ou kestyon Onorab.

Onorab nou pe seye pou ganny en balans.

Pou nou evite en pe bann kestyon ki nou'n gannyen reprezant nou ozordi.

Nou Broadcasting Seychelles Corporation.

Nou reprezant Sesel an avan tou.

E en bon pe progranm, nou bann progranm ki nou fer e nou bann nouvel i pertinan pou Sesel antye.
I annan Praslin ek La Digue ki annan keksoz, ki pase ki pertinan pou Sesel antye.

E nou, nou sey balans.

E enn bann kritik petet ler ou pa'n pas li a tan.

Me selman nou krwar si i vo lapenn, pou pase pour pa zis Pralinwa konnen.

Tou dimoun Mahé, Praslin, La Digue, Sesel antye pou konnen ki pe pase Praslin.

Nou pe gannyen, nou pe sey gannyen sa balans.

E parey ou'n vwar Onorab, nou pe ganny feedback petet pe dir pa ase.

Mon krwar ou pe dir, en pe petet pa relevan tro bokou.
Me nou dan milye, nou pou kontinyen try to fer li as best as we can.

Mersi Onorab.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Msye Dupres.

Mon ava pas laparol avek Leader of Government Business Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour CEO, Mr Speaker mon napa en kestyon, mon ti a kontan zis solman fer en lobzervasyon ki mon i ava sitye en pa sa ki nou, pe fer la dan konteks kestyon Onorab Gill.

Obviously nou tou nou politisyen, nou tou nou anvi ganny maksimonm coverage ki nou kapab annan.
Sa i toutafe normal, e i en laspirasyon ki antan ki politisyen nou annan.

E i annan de fwa ler nou pa gannyen, nou mekontan ou nou dezapwente.

E mon koz personnelman la.

Par egzanp, tanzantan mon fer sa ki mwan mon krwar i en entervansyon ekstraordiner dan sa Lasanble.

E i pa pas ditou, oubyen mon fer en pwen e lafason ki lapant raportaz i ganny donnen, se konmsi en lot 47 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 dimoun ki'n fer sa pwen.

E sa nou tou, nou tou nou, nou dan sa ben.


Nou tou nou annan sa.

Nou bezwen rekonnet ki SBC, i pa enfayib.

I pou fer mistake tanzantan.

Rezon mon pran laparol la apre midi, e mon pa, pardon wi - la bomaten eskiz mwan se, se pa pour pran fer okenn side, me pour Lasanble rapel ki sa ki nou pe koz lo la ozordi la, in toultan dan Lasanble.

Annefe an 2001, ler mon ti’n fek antre dan Lasanble menm keksoz in arive.

E mon ti fer, mon ti lev en matter of privilege avek Speaker.
E mon ti fer en pwen dir ki mon’n ekstraordiner, ki ti annan kapasite pou sanz direksyon pei.

E SBC in kit mon pwen ater.

E Speaker in donn en, en ruling.

E mon krwar, e se sa ki mon ti anvi partaz ek Lasanble ozordi.

Akoz i annan en ruling sa Lasanble lo sa pwen.

E Speaker MacGregor, ti dir dan son ruling ki Lasanble i annan pouvwar kontrol lafason ki son bann deba i ganny raporte.

I annan sa pouvwar.

Nou annan sa pouvwar absoli, i dan nou lanmen.


Me Lasanble pa met okenn restriksyon, zeneralman e i les sa editorial broadcaster ki pe broadcast.

Me freedom avek fodre pa ki sa broadcaster, i an mauvaise foi.

Fodre ki i sey annan en bon balans e fodre i raport keksoz mannyer i ete.

Si i fer en fot, nou pou bezwen eskiz li, sa ki sa broadcaster pa kapab fer, se anmenn en rapor ki fo, oubyen ki'n distorte, oubyen ki parsyel, oubyen ki donn en move lenpresyon.

I pa kapab i napa drwa fer sa.


Si i fer sa i pou en breach privilege bann Manm, e privilez Lasanble.

Alor finalman Speaker in dir e mon partaz son lopinyon ki a mwen ki en broadcaster i fer par ekspre pour montre en Manm dan en move limaz, oubyen montre Lasanble dan en move limaz, Lasanble akoz son dinyite koman en Lasanble i pa pou pran en view serye.

I pa pou kondann en medya, tan ki medya i esey fer le mye ki i kapab, menm si tanzantan i pou fer fot.

Donk mon ti anvi zis sitye sa dan sa konteks.


Mon pa pe dir ki nou bezwen donn en free pass SBC, far from it.

Me mon pa oule dir osi ki nou bezwen kondann SBC ouswa okenn medya, sak fwa ki nou pa ganny en bon coverage parey nou ekspekte.

Mon krwar dan sa bann ka, nou annan Komite Medya Lasanble ki nou kapab raport avek.

E demann sa komite, fight 48 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 nou fight avek bann medya.

Mersi Mr Speaker.
Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Georges pou ou lentervansyon, ou pou note obzervasyon.

Mon’n Chairman Komite Medya in acknowledge, in sakouy latet.

Mon pa konnen si panel i annan en response?

O si nou mon ti pou move, pou donn laparol Onorab Gill koman en dernyen pwen klarifikasyon.

Parski sa i son kestyon orizinal.

HON CHURCHILL GILL Mersi Mr Speaker.


Mr Speaker mon la dan Lasanble koman reprezantan bann dimoun Baie Sainte Anne, e sa kestyon se pou rod leklersisman pou zot pa pou mwan personnelman.

So mon bezwen met sa lo rikord.

lo mon Prezan mon vin klarifikasyon.

CEO ou en profesyonnel medya, Deputy Speaker, ki mannyer nou ganny news?

News ou bezwen fer news pou ganny news, so sa zafer statistik, ou pou al rod en statistik, ki kantite news average in pase Praslin, pou ou konpar ek lezot distrik.
Natirelman se distrik ki fer news, ki pou annan news.

So ou statistik ki ou pou al rode, mon pa konnen dan ki mannyer nou pou servi li, oubyen nou pou gage li ek kwa.

Akoz si nou pa rod news, nou pa kree news, pou napa news.

Mon ti anvi zis met sa lo rikord, pou fer kler poudir ou pa kapab fer konparezon statistik avek en keksoz ki pa egziste, oubyen si napa happenings e ki ou pou al konpar sa.

Me selman mwan mon kestyon i tre kler.

CEO mon kontan bann larepons ki ou'n donn mwan.


Ou'n konpran bann leksplikasyon ki mon’n rode.

E mon espere ou'n promet mwan osi, ki bann serten konsern ki'n sorti, menm si ou konnen ou bann staff pe fer zot travay.

Me selman ou a gete ki fason nou kapab gradyelman adres sa bann konsern ki'n sorti.

Mersi pou sa, mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi pour sa bann pwen.

Onorab Gill, an pasan mon a dir ou on a bad news day, I can make news out of nothing.

Pou en dimoun ki kapab fer sa travay.


Me mon krwar en pwen obzervasyon, lefet ki mon annan laparol and as a friend of SBC.

Mon krwar sa travay ki zot pe fer, lo Praslin La Digue lavenir i merit ganny regarde koman en model, ki mannyer 49 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 E mon SBC prezan i kapab osi kouver bann lezot rezyon, pou get bann community based news.

ti pe partikilyerman sa zafer Praslin, bann agrikilter ti’n met en konsern devan ki kapab ariv kot Lotorite.
Sa osi i kapab gete avek bann lezot rezyon.

E mon proud to say, mon ti enn bann premye dimoun dan SBC ki ti fer en progranm spesifikman lo Praslin, La Digue ki ti apel “Vwazen Vwazin” ant lannen 2000 ziska 2007.

Ler mon ti kit SBC, so mon bezwen zis rapel zot sa.

Nou ava dir mersi, CEO SBC pou son prezans avek nou e osi Vis-Prezidan ki'n la avek tou bann lezot entervenan bomaten.

Nou ava, eskiz zot parmi nou.

Non, me Vis- Prezidan ou pou reste, nou ava eskiz Mr Dupres.
Akoz avan ki nou break, nou pou pas lo en prosen, en prosen item.

(MR BERARD DUPRES WAS EXCUSED FROM THE HOUSE) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER E mon ava donn laparol, Leader of Government Business.

item, Nou pou pas konsernan Bill.

E mon krwar poudir tou bann Manm, lo zot lo en WhatsApp message dan 7th Assembly, Clerk in anvoy en mesaz, pou zot konnen ki nou pe koz lo la egzakteman.

LGB.

Stage, ti demann Second Reading HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, Manm Onorab zot ava rapel ki a lafen e Law Committee Commission Bill semenn pase, mon pa pas direkteman Third Reading, me postpone li pou en lot zour, pou permet panel e mwan menm pou regarde ki mannyer bann lamannman ganny ki propoze, ki ti ganny vot lo la, ti’n kapab afekte sa Bill avan ki nou al dan Third Reading.

E mon krwar i enportan, pou mwan eksplike ozordi, kisisa ki ti a la baz sa - ki nou pa'n kapab pran sa desizyon vitman.
ti E sa sete, akoz apre ki Lasanble ti’n vote pou tir Clause 23, dan sa Bill lo Pre-Legislative Scrutiny en lot Clause, Clause 5(D) ki Bill Committee ti'n rekomande pou osi ganny tire.

Akoz li osi i ti annan pou fer avek Pre-Legislative Scrutiny.

Me mover lamannman in dir ki nou pou gard 5(D), me in amann sa Clause pou tir Attorney General ladan.
Poudir ki en Bill, en draft Bill Attorney General ki sipoze anvoy lo kot Komisyon apre pou Komisyon 50 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 retourn kot Attorney General, i ti trouve i sa pa ti byen.

Akoz Attorney General pa kapab anvoy en keksoz, apre retourn kot li.

ti ganny tousala So sa bann mo ‘Attorney tire.

General’ Lakonsekans sete annefe ki, tou sa ki ti'n ganny tire, dan Clause 23 in re-antre atraver Clause 5(D).

E nou ti anvi fer sir ki, that was actually the case.
E konsilte verbatim eksetera.

E donk se sa annefe ki'n arive, e se sa ki nou ti anvi verifye pour fer sir, ki nou ti'n byen tande.

So avek sa detrwa mo leksplikasyon Mr Speaker, ki mon krwar ti neseser donn Lasanble pour ki nou konpran egzakteman ki ti napa okenn rezon, artifisyel ki sa ti'n ganny fer, avek sa detrwa mo leksplikasyon, Mr Speaker mon le move anba Order 76(1) ki The Law Commission Bill 2022 as lir en i ganny amended Trwazyenm Fwa.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi LGB.


Donk mon vwar Onorab William in endike pou segonn for Third Reading.

HON WAVEL WILLIAM Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mon segonn sa demann.

Mersi.

le MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Donk aprezan nou pou pran en vot lo Bill as amended.

Donk mon ti ava demann tou bann Manm ki an faver pou endike, Silvouple?

Mersi.

Okenn Manm ki kont?

Mersi.


Donk lo Formal Third Reading Law Commission 2022 as amended, i annan 25 Manm ki’n vot an faver, personn pa'n vot kont, e okenn Manm pa’n abstain.

Donk sa Bill i pase par linanimite ozordi bomaten.

In osi enteresan akoz, dan mon letan dan setyenm ouswa sizyenm Lasanble, premye ki nou fer sa staz, anba Order 75(4) Recommittal of Bill.

So antre nou la, nou'n fer en pti moman istorik dan listwar Lasanble Nasyonal.
Donk mon ava envit Madanm Clerk pou fer en Formal Third Reading of the Bill.

MADAM CLERK Mersi Mr Speaker.

This Act may be cited as the Law Commission Act, 2022.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Madanm Clerk.

In ariv nou zis midi.

Donk nou ava break la pour nou repran travay 2er apre midi.

E apre midi pou byensir, ankor avek nou.

Vis-Prezidan 51 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Akoz nou annan de lezot Bill ki pou nou fer, Second Donk nou ava Reading.
adjourn, pou nou rezwenn 2er apre midi.

(BREAK) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Bonn apre midi tou dimoun, welcome back.

Nou kontinyen avek, nou travay pour sa apre midi.

E prosen item lo nou Order Paper se nou annan en Bill ki nou pe al pran.

So mon ava demann parliamentary reporter pou fer le neseser.

swet Bon nou ava ankor enn labyenveni Vis- fwa Prezidan Ahmed Afif, avek nou e zofisye ki sorti kot Biro Attorney General, Mr Stefan Knights avek nou.
Nou pou pas lo Bills, so mon envit Leader of Government Business pou move Mosyon for Second Reading.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonn apre midi Mr Speaker.

Bonn apre Vis-Prezidan.

midi Good afternoon Mr Knights, bonn apre midi tou bann Manm Lasanble, e tou dimoun ki pe ekout nou.

Mr Speaker anba Order 69(2) mon move ki The Probates (Re-sealing) Bill, 2022 i ganny lir en Dezyenm Fwa.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Georges.

Mosyon segonde, Onorab Hoareau?


HON JOHN HOAREAU Bonn apre midi Mr Speaker.

Mon pe segonn Mosyon ki sa Bill i ganny lir en Dezyenm Fwa.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

donk mon ava envit Vis- Prezidan Ahmed Afif pou fer lentrodiksyon Bill silvouple.

Mersi.

THE VICE-PRESIDENT MR AHMED AFIF Mersi bokou Mr Speaker.

Bonn apre midi Mr Speaker, Leader tou Business Gouvernman, bann Manm Lasanble, tou dimoun a lekout.
Probates (Re-sealing) Bill, 2022 i en Prozedlwa, ki mon pe prezante devan sa Lasanble, e son bi se pou ranplas Probates (Re-sealing) Act, Sapit 183, Lalwa Sesel.

Sa en Lalwa ki'n vin an viger depi 1935, e son dernyen lamannman ti ganny fer an 1976.

Anfet i en Lalwa ki pa tro koni vi ki son laplikasyon i limite, a en lapwentman fer par en Lakour Britanik e Ekose.
Lobzektif sa Prozedlwa, se moderniz Lalwa, ki annan pou fer avek Probates (Re-sealing) 52 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Sesel.

Mr Speaker dan bokou pei, ler en dimoun i mor son pros oubyen sa dimoun ki in apwent koman egzekiter, son testaman, i fer en aplikasyon devan Lakour ou Lotorite son konpetan, pou ouver siksesyon e konfirm oubyen apwent en egzekiter oubyen en zer ou administrater, pou administer son siksesyon.
Parey An Angle, sa i ganny apele grant of probate or letters of administration.

nou okouran pandan letan kolonyal, sitwayen ti annan plizyer Britanik Sesel.

An ka ki zot mor pandan ki zot isi, oubyen si zot mor aletranze avek byen Sesel, sa grant of probate, oubyen of administration, i ganny donnen par en Lakour, ou Lotorite konpetan La Grande Bretagne oubyen Lagos, oubyen en Lakour dan nenport pei ki annan pouvwar dan bann koloni Britanik.
letters Sa egzekiter oubyen en dimoun enterese, i kapab fer en demann devan Lakour Siprenm Sesel, anba Probates Re-sealing Act, 1935, pou konfirm oubyen an Angle Re-seal sa grant of probate of administration.

E la sa egzekiter i a kapab egzers son fonksyon an relasyon avek sa bann byen sa dese ki Sesel.

oubyen letter Anvi aplikasyon son limite, mon ganny dir ki sa Lalwa pa'n tro ganny servi.

An ‘76 Code Civil, ki ti entrodwir sistenm egzekiter isi Sesel.
E la bokou dimoun ki ti mor avek byen Sesel, sirtou later, en egzekiter ti forseman bezwen ganny apwente, pou administre zot siksesyon.

Avek sa Prozedlwa, nou anvi moderniz e elarzi son aplikasyon.

Sa i neseser sirtou ki Sesel i en sant fer biznes enternasyonal pou benefisye diaspora Seselwa.
osi e Pare egzanp, si en Seselwa oubyen en etranze ki annan byen isi Sesel, i mor aletranze, e son siksesyon i ganny ouver aletranze par grant of probate oubyen letters of administration, sa egzekiter oubyen nenport ki dimoun enterese dan son siksesyon, i kapab fer demann avek Curator.

Pou reseal oubyen konfirm sa grant of probate oubyen sa letter of administration.
Si Curator i konfirm sa grant of probate, oubyen letter of administration, pou annan menm lefe ki en lapwentman egzekiter fer par Curator anba Code Civil e Curatelle Act.

Avek sa Prozedlwa, nou pou elarzi laplikasyon sa Lalwa.

Ensi i pou aplik pou tou pei, ki dapre resers ki Attorney Zeneral 53 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Sa in fer, en Lakour en Lotorite konpetan i ouver en siksesyon, oubyen apwent egzekiter par grant of probate oubyen letters of administration.
lalis pei i dan sa Prozedlwa, e i enkli serten pei Commonwealth.

Leta-z-Ini, Hong Kong, eksetera.

An ganny ki firamezir enformen ki i annan plis pei ki adopte sistenm grant of probate oubyen of administration, zot a ganny enkli lo sa lalis.

letters nou Par egzanp dapre resers ki nou'n fer, Maurice napa sistenm grant of probate oubyen letters E son of administration.

sistenm i parey sa ki ti egziste isi avan Code Civil ‘76.
Savedir sistenm kot o moman en dimoun i décéder tou son byen i vin otomatikman pour son bann zeritye, san pas atraver en egzekiter.

Laplikasyon sa Prozedlwa, pour sirman fasilit louvertir e ladministrasyon siksesyon sa bann dimoun, espesyalman bann dimoun ki annan par dan bann companie Sesel, larzan dan bann kont labank, oubyen sitwayen Seselwa aletranze ki décéder ki annan later, kont labank, eksetera isi Sesel.
Anfet ganny enformen ki Leader Zafer Gouvernman dan Lasanble an mon konsiltasyon avek Attorney Zeneral, in dakor pou propoz en lamannman pou fer sir ki i konfirm grant of Curator oubyen probate of administration.

Si li i fer sa i pa pou neseser pou fer okenn lezot aplikasyon, apwent egzekiter, en siksesyon.

letters pou pou osi bann E sa konfirmasyon pou egzekiter, ase, sa administre siksesyon sa dese isi Sesel.
Sa Prozedlwa i neseser avek sa kad legal ki Code Civil 1976, - pli in anmennen presizeman sistenm egzekiter.

E lamannman, anmennen par Kod Sivil, 2020 e Curatelle Act 2021.

An vi se ki Curator, ki bezwen apwent egzekiter aprezan, sa Prozedlwa i propoze ki se Curator, ki ava reseal oubyen confirm.

Konfirm sa grant of probate oubyen letters of administration.

Mr Speaker sa Prozedlwa, pe ganny anmennen pou reform serten Lalwa, an koneksyon ek Lalwa Sesel.
Menm si sa Lalwa, 1935 pa byen koni i Lalwa enportan.

E si Lasanble, i pas sa Prozedlwa i pour sirman donn benefis e konfor plizyer dimoun.

Me osi bann lenstitisyon parey bann labank.

An konklizyon, mon demann tou bann Manm Onorab dan sa Lasanble sa pou Prozedlwa.

Mersi bokou.

siport 54 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Vis-Prezidan pou sa lentrodiksyon.

Donk aprezan floor i ouver pou deba zeneral lo merit sa Bill.

Okenn Manm ki le entervenir a sa pwen?


Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker mon pa pou entervenir lo sa Bill as such.

Etandonnen ki mon krwar Vis- leksplikasyon Prezidan in konpreansif, e byen detaye.

Mon ti a kontan zis dir enn de pti keksoz ki pou ranforsi enn pti pe sa ki Vis- Prezidan i dir.

E zis pou enform en pe piblik, ki pe ekout nou.

Akoz i en Lalwa me koni e pa bokou itilize.

Annefe mon kapab dir ki, dan tou mon letan ki mon’n servi koman en Avoka isi.
Mon’n fer en re-sealing.

Zis enn.

E sa se en biro ki fer preski en apwentman egzekiter toulezour.

Dan 43an nou’n fer en re-sealing alor zot ava vwar ki mannyer i pa bokou, i pa en Lalwa ki ganny itilize bokou.

Dezyenm keksoz mon ti a fer resorti zis pou kontan lenformasyon ankor, se sa mo probate, son lenterpretasyon se ‘proving’.

Ou anmenn dan bann pei ki annan sa probate, anmenn annefe ou i testaman devan en Lakour.

E Lakour i prove sa Will.


I dir sa Will i valab, e alor ou kapab - la i donn permisyon prezan swa sa egzekiter, ler napa egzekiter atraver letters of en administration, testaman zeritye anba oubyen donn letters of administration.

Setadir donn li permisyon kot pou li administre sa siksesyon.

i donn sa li pa nou enterpoz… E parey Vis-Prezidan in dir isi erit Sesel, direkteman.

Me nou erit en - byen parfwa setadir i al dan egzekiter avan, epi sa egzekiter i transmet sa byen.
E sa i annan en rezon ase senp, akoz sa i arive.

Annefe se pour sa rezon ki annan probate dan bann lezot pei.

Se ki sa dimoun ki ganny apwente pou administre en siksesyon son premye job sete pou fer en levanter byen.

Dezyenmman se pou pey okenn tax, okenn duty, ki annan.

bann tou E trwazyenmman se pour li distribye the net estate.

Apre peyman tou bann det, tou bann tax or whatever parmi bann zeritye.
E se pour sa rezon ki bann pei parey nou, nou’n vwar li i preferab annan en dimoun koman en lentermedyer pou fer tousala, olye depann lo sak zeritye ki annan de fwa pa 55 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 bokou ka pa manz disel enn ek kanmarad, i annan tirayman.

Alor i pli senp annan en dimoun, pou administre sa.

E parey Vis-Prezidan in dir, dan serten pei kot probate i ganny donnen.
Me kot i annan en byen isi, oubyen en dimoun ki annan en lye avek Sesel, annan de fwa pou li kapab access en byen somewhere else, i pou bezwen, fer sa probate ki'n gannyen dan sa pei, ganny otantifye isi Sesel.

E sa ki nou apel re-sealing.

Re-sealing annefe i tou sa ki i ler dir se i ganny prezante, parey devan en Ziz Probate, i ganny prezante devan Curator isi.

E Curator i met son seal lo la.

Son stanp.

In other words i dir mon'n vwar, mon'n verifye, e mon'n stanpe.
Savedir i valab, prezan zot kapab fer sa ki zot anvi avek.

That’s basically, sa ki sa Lalwa pe dir.

E parey Vis- Prezidan in dir, enn bann keksoz ki ler nou ti pe relir sa Bill, dan sa detrwa dernyen zour, Attorney Zeneral avek mwan, nou’n vwar ki ti annan kekfwa en landrwa kot nou ti kapab fer li vin pli senp, anfen - pa pli senp eskiz mwan - me pli kler.

E sa se taler nou ava vwar dan Clause (3).


Clause 3 i dir - 3(D), ti dir ki ler Kirater i re- stanp en grant of probate, isi Sesel en grant of probate ki'n ganny fer dan en lot pei - enn sa bann pei dan schedule.

Ler i fer sa, sa stanpe - sa re-sealing, pou annan menm lefe konmsi dan en testaman Sesel, en dimoun ti'n ganny apwente egzekiter.

E Curator ti pe konfirm lapwentman sa egzekiter.


Donk in fer lekivalans ant konfirmasyon lapwentman egzekiter isi Sesel ek en grant of probate deor, ki pe ganny re-seal isi.

I ti pou annan menm lefe.

en I ti souzantandi ki si i annan sa lefe, obviously sa dimoun ki ti'n ganny sa grant of probate, sa egzekiter, ti pou kapab azir koman egzekiter isi Sesel.

Akoz i ti pou annan en lekivalans.

Me i ti souzantandi - i pa ti kler.


dan Alor en taler propozisyon lamannman, nou pe fer sa vin pli kler e dir parey Vis-Prezidan in fer resorti ki, ler sa i arive, sa dimoun pa bezwen on top of that, fer lapwentman egzekiter en lapwentman konfirmasyon egzekiter.

It's taken ki sa i ase, e donk i pa bezwen al fer en lot step ankor.

oubyen Vwala Mr Speaker, mon krwar ki nou’n fer le pwen lo sa Lalwa.
E ankor enn fwa se en Lalwa ki la depi bokou letan e ki nou pe fer li vin pli performan, 56 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 anmezir ki bann Gouvernman siksesif pe moderniz nou bann Lalwa.

E fer ki nou met nou lekor azour avek bann devlopman dan lemonn.

E nou fer keksoz vin pli senp ki posib isi, Sesel.

E finalman, sa Lalwa in profit lokazyon pou osi tir Lakour’’, e met ‘Curator’ anba Curatelle Act, akoz koman en Lasanble zot ava rapel, nou’n sanz sa sistenm siksesyon isi.
Bann zeritye nepli bezwen al Ankour pou fer apwentman egzekiter eksetera, se ki Kirater sa nouvo pos ki fer sa.

Donk in moderniz dan sa sans osi.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Georges.

Mon pas laparol avek Onorab Loze.

HON JOHAN LOZE Mersi Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker mon annan en feeling ki tou lede kote latab ozordi nou pou dezapwent nou bann siporter deor.

Apre sa bann roulman la.

Ozordi semenn Lasanble i very mild and tame by comparison.
pase Mr Speaker devan nou i annan en morso Lezislasyon ki esansyelman tou lede kote latab mon krwar, nou napa gran issues, gran kontansyon avek.

Ofet mon'n pran laparol ozordi senpleman akoz mon'n prezan lo bann diskisyon lo Bill Committee.

E kot Mr Knights in vini in donn nou leksplikasyon tre kler, lo kwa lentansyon sa Bill e akoz ki i pe vini.

E nou lo nou kote latab, nou pa'n vwar okenn gran kontansyon avek.
E ofet li menm morso Lezislasyon speaks for itself, i napa nanryen ladan ki annan pou fer avek nanryen ki bezwen ganny obzekte or anything like that.

Selman, Mr Speaker mon annan en kestyon pou adres ver Vis-Prezidan.

In nonm Curator, e Onorab Georges in fer kler, ki Curator anba Curatelle Act.

Be i annan dimoun deor ki pe sers en leklersisman, si Vis-Prezidan i kapab fer kler kote zot kapab ganny kontak avek Curator?

Akoz i annan i paret dimoun ki pe sey sers kontak.


E ziska prezan zot pa pe kapab allocate kote i baze.

E pour zot antre an kontak avek Curator depi Prezidan in apwent li.

So si sa morso lenformasyon ti kapab ganny fer available.

Apard sa parey mon'n dir.

Nou napa gran issue lo nou kote.

So mon ti zis anvi kominik sa.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Loze mon pas laparol avek Onorab Aglae.


57 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 HON EGBERT AGLAE Mersi Mr Speaker Bill ki la devan nou i kler.

VP ki mon in met tou keksoz ofe, e Maître Georges atraver ou, Onorab Georges osi in eksplik nou en pe, dan son kad legal.

E ler dan pas dan Bill osi, nou’n vwar i annan sa bann poudir prosedir ki bezwen ganny swiv, pou an ou kapab met aplikasyon.

Ok?
Ok?

Ler mon'n regarde mwan i annan serten konsern petet, leklersisman ki mon ti a kontan gannyen dan bann lenstans, ok?

Parey dan Bill li menm li i bann fer ziridiksyon, i annan apepre 64 ziridiksyon ki ganny rekonnet anba sa Re-sealing Probate Bill.

referans avek prosedir legal ki sa pei an egzistan?

E ouswa eski i pou bezwen servi enn, parey pe dir nou Kirater isi lokalman?

Pou kapab al rod tou fason, pou kapab rekiper sa byen, ouswa fer sa byen ganny rekonnet, anba sa menm Lalwa li menm.
So sa i en pe leklersisman ki mon ti a kontan gannyen.

E mon pa vwar problenm, ni problenm.

Mon krwar i pe met keksoz annord.

lavi nou bann dimoun ki annan zot byen ki sa, fer li pli fasil san petet al pas dan bann gran, gran tourman legal.

E avek sa Mr Speaker, mwan mon pare pou donn sipor sa Bill akoz i annan son merit.

Mersi.

fer E E pou mwan ler nou pe get serten, mon vwar i annan serten pei ki pa neseserman pe tonm anba la.
E dan bann lenstans parey petet, kot en dimoun petet i mor, e son asset i dan enn sa bann pei, ki li i pa tonm anba sa kad ziridiksyon parey ladan, mon vwar Maurice pa ladan, Madagascar pa ladan.

E dan sa bann lenstans ki sa ki pe rod sa drwa, oubyen sa byen li menm li pou sa dimoun ki'n mor, ki swa i parante direkteman, i pou bezwen al fer, eski i pou bezwen swiv sa MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Aglae.

In napa lezot Manm ki'n endike poudir zot oule fer lentervansyon lo sa Bill devan nou.
Donk mon ti ava envit Vis-Prezidan, Ahmed Afif pou fer son Right of Reply.

THE VICE PRESIDENT MR AHMED AFIF Mersi bokou Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker pou komanse mon krwar sa Bill i ase senp, e i paret ler mon'n bann entervansyon tou lede kote, i vwar son merit.

Me byensir i ekout 58 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 annan enn de pti klarifikasyon ki’n ganny mete.

Premyerman ladres Curator ti ganny apwente ase resaman.

E mon rapel ki ler sa ti ganny fer, ti ganny pibliye.
E Zidisyer ti osi pibliye ki biro Curator kote i pou ete.

Mon kapab dir ou poudir i lo premye floor Premiere Building, lasanm 101. se So Sa Curator se Mr Danny Lucas, e parey mon'n dir son floor Premiere Building, lasanm 101. premye lenformasyon.

Dezyenm an se ki konsern si en letter of probate - en grant of probates par i sorti dan en egzanp, ziridiksyon ki pa lo sa lalis.

Sa ki arive se ki sa Curator pa pou kapab otomatikman, zis met en seal lo la.

E sa i vin en dokiman normal.


Alor li i pou bezwen al apply, avek Curator ki pou bezwen fer tou le neseser, pou li etablir sirtou bann norm e tou keksoz i annord.

I pou pran en pe plis letan, me i pa osi vit ki si i lo la.

Sel keksoz ki pou aplike dan bann lenstans koumsa.

E si ou get dan sa Schedule ki lo Schedule 1 sa Lalwa, parey ou'n dir Onorab.

Maurice i pa ladan, Canada, i tou bann provens eksepte Quebec.

vwala leksplikasyon lo la.


An gro Mr Alor i Speaker sa Lalwa, i en vye Lalwa depi 1935, i pa'n ganny servi bokou.

Me selman nou dan en prosesis moderniz nou bann Lalwa.

E nou dan en prosesis fer keksoz vin pli vit pou tou dimoun.

kot bezwen Sirtou ler i annan bann ka, apwent egzekiter nou bezwen rekonnet bann, bann grant of probates ki'n ganny donnen dan lezot pei.

E sel keksoz ki nou pe fer se ki pe fer sa prosesis vin pli vit.

Akoz ozordi nou annan en Curator.


annan Sa Curator pou aksepte sa bann let ki sorti dan sa bann 64 I ziridiksyon.

ziridiksyon e dek ki zo pou ganny sa, zot pou aksepte sa let konmkwa lala tou sa ki aplikab, avek sa ki konsern siksesyon.

E zot pou senpleman met zot stanp lo la, ki nou apel sa en seal.

E alor tou keksoz kot i konsern travay egzekiter, e travay ki swiv lo la i ava al bokou pli vit.

Alor remersye tou bann Manm, e mon espere ki nou a kapab pas sa Lalwa pli vit posib.

Mersi bokou.
Mersi bokou.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Vis-Prezidan pou sa Right of Reply.

Donk aprezan nou pou pran en vot lo general merit of the Bill.

So nou ava, mon ava 59 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 demann tou bann Manm ki an faver pou endike silvouple?

Mersi, okenn Manm ki kont?

Mersi.

Mersi Madanm Clerk.

Donk vot lo general merit of the Bill Probates (Re-sealing) Bill, 2022.

Nou annan 18 Manm ki'n vot an faver, napa personn ki'n vot kont.

E okenn Manm pa'n abstain.


Donk sa Bill in ganny aprouve ozordi apre midi.

Donk aprezan, mon demann Madanm Clerk pou fer Formal Second Reading of the Bill silvouple.

for MADAM CLERK Mersi Mr Speaker.

A Bill for an Act the to provide resealing of probates and letters of administration granted by a court of probate in a recognised jurisdiction in respect of the estate of the deceased persons for matters and connected or thereto.

Mersi Mr incidental Speaker.


to provide therewith MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Madanm Clerk.

Donk prezan nou pou al lo, dan Committee Stage, pou nou konsider bann lamannman.

Mersi.

Ok sa ki pou lead nou avek say Onorab John Hoareau Manm Bills Committee, ki pou avek nou lead lamannman.

Proceed.

bann HON JOHN HOAREAU Mersi Mr Chair.

Bon premye lamannman i ganny trouve lo the long title.

Mon krwar i lamannman ki'n ganny, met devan par Onorab Georges.

forward sa li Mon a lamannman.

Mersi.


les MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

Proceed Onorab.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair dan long title, dan trwazyenm laliny, estate of the deceased persons, nou pe propoze ki “the” i ganny retire, pour ki i read “in respect the estate of deceased of persons” generally.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

So nou pou fer li parey i annan labitid.

Si panel komanter obzeksyon, rezervasyon, zot ava endike.

Ou sinon, nou zis nou proceed.


So i paret ki sa enn la nou ok avek?

Mersi VP.

Nou ava kontinyen Onorab Hoareau.

HON JOHN HOAREAU Dezyenm lamannman i ganny trouve lo Clause 2.

Zis o bor Clause 2, i annan en (1) in bracket, ki devret ganny retire.

60 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Apre nou annan en nouvo definisyon, and Registration Office”, ki ganny azoute zis apre a definisyon pou Minister.
“Mortgage I lir koumsa “Mortgage the and Registration Office” Mortgage and Registration Office established under the Mortgage and Registration Act, Cap.

134;” MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

Panel i ok avek sa so nou proceed.

HON JOHN HOAREAU Nou next amannman i pou en amannman propoze par Onorab Georges dan anba 3(2).

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Onorab Georges oule pran laparol la?

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair e sa se sa lamannman ki mon ti pe mansyonnen taler.

Annefe i annan enn de pti amannman.


Me enn en pe pli, en pe pli long.

Sa ki nou pe propoze se ki dan son katriyenm laliny, sa enn ki komans avek Seychelles, “as if it were an order of confirmation” nou pe propoze ki nou azout “or they”.

So that it read “as if it or “it” means probates they”, being letters “they” of administration.
“So as if it or they were of confirmation of” avan sa i ti lir “of an executor by the Curator”, e nou, nou pe propoze pou fer li vin pli kler, order an “a “an order of confirmation of” azout testamentary appointment of an executor” tir comma by the Curator.

So that it reads “an order of confirmation of a testamentary appointment of an executor by the Curator”, etandonnen annan konfirmasyon en par Curator, se toultan konfirmasyon en apwentman en egzekiter dan en testaman.
ki Ler en dimoun apwent en egzekiter, dan en testaman.

Ou bezwen konfirm sa devan Lakour.

Me ler i pa'n apwent en egzekiter dan en testaman, ou bezwen al Ankour pou demann apwent en egzekiter.
So pou li pli kler fer “confirmation of a testamentary appointment of an executor by the Curator”, e la nou pe propoze azout sa bann mo swivan, further appointment of executor shall be required if the estate of the comprises deceased person immovable in Seychelles.” property “and no E sa se pou fer kler, ki en fwa ki sa re-sealing in arive, ou 61 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 nepli bezwen al demann en egzekiter apwente, ganny oubyen konfirmen ankor.
In fini fer sa re-sealing is tantamount to en laplikasyon apwentman en egzekiter.

Akoz comprises immovable property in Seychelles?

Akoz anba nou Lalwa, se selman ler i property annan immovable Sesel ki ou bezwen en egzekiter.

Si napa immovable property, ou la pa bezwen egzekiter.

E siksesyon i direk.

Setadir ki si en dimoun i mor i le zis en loto, i pa bezwen en egzekiter, oubyen i le zis larzan labank i pa bezwen e egzekiter, son zeritye i pran direkteman.

Me si i annan later, i bezwen en egzekiter.


Donk vwala Mr Chair avek ou permisyon vwala, bann amannman ki mon pe propoze pou fer sa sityasyon vin osi kler ki posib.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi pou leksplikasyon, panel endike ki zot ok avek sa lamannman.

propozisyon Onorab Hoareau nou pou kontinyen.

Dan 3(2) versyon ki mwan mon pe son swiv, dan trwazyenm laliny ki komans avek “so sealed shall have the force” mon vwar en like propozisyon lamannman la.

Me solman mon note, ou pa'n note.

Ok.

Proceed.


HON JOHN HOAREAU Ok nou ava proceed avek sa lamannman ki zisteman ou pe koz lo la.

After the word “like force” trwazyenm laliny nou pou retir “and effect and have the same” e nou pou insert “effect and”.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ok panel i endike ki zot ok avek sa.

Nou proceed.

HON JOHN HOAREAU Ok, next amendment i ganny lartik.

Vedir trouve menm Lartik 3.


Menm Clause sorry, Clause Selman 3(5)(a) kot i lir “a copy of the grant of probate or letters” i annan en “s” la pou azoute.

“of administration in accordance with section 5 that the petitioner seeks” apre la nou pe azout “to reseal” MR DEPUTY SPEAKER I akseptab pou panel, proceed.

HON JOHN HOAREAU Subsection (c) “proof of the person's identity” nou pe tir sa mo “person’s” MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Panel i ok avek sa.
62 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 HON JOHN HOAREAU Ok nou kontinyen lo 5(2) b sorry 4.

Eskiz mwan 4(1).

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER So i annan en lamannman dan 4(1) ki pou Onorab Georges proceed.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair eskiz mwan dan 4(1) i annan en pti lamannman trwazyenm laliny.
Kot i met - anfen in komans dezyenm laliny “probate duty or succession duty has been in respect of” nou le insert mo “paid” – ‘’has been paid in respect of.’’ MR DEPUTY SPEAKER So zis relir li ankor enn pti kou.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Wi.

Mon a relir li an antye 4(1) ‘’The Curator shall, before sealing a grant of probate or letters of administration under this Act, be satisfied that probate duty or succession duty has been paid’’ - insert “paid”, in respect of bla bla … Ok Mersi.
MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi ok panel i ok avek sa.

Onorab nou kontinyen.

Hoareau HON JOHN HOAREAU Right nou ava al lo 5(2)(b) I annan sa, kot komans avek “cause the publication” nou'n fer li koman en subclause, so nou pe azout lettering “b” pou sa subclause.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Panel kontinyen.

i ok ek sa.

So nou HON JOHN HOAREAU Mr Chair lo mon lalis sete sa bann lamannman ki'n ganny propoze.

Mon pe mazinen kekfwa si Onorab Georges.

An “of Gazette” wi, after “Gazette of a notice “yes.
So 5(2)(b) after the word “Gazette” nou include “of”, ok?

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Of a notice of confirmation.

Panel in swiv sa enn la.

Zot ok avek sa?

HON JOHN HOAREAU Lo mon lalis se tou ki mon annan Mr Chair.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Wi Onorab Zialor.. HON JOHN HOAREAU Eski Onorab George ...?

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ou ti pe endik en keksoz Onorab Zialor, somewhere?

63 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 following HON NADDY ZIALOR Mersi Mr Speaker.
Non-mon pa konnen petet I don’t know if we are same amendments, sa enn ki pou LGB dan Schedule 2 kot form 1 dezyenm laliny, i annan en “s” kot letters.

I don’t know if it's the same.

the MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Dan schedule 2.

HON NADDY ZIALOR Yes MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Form 1.

HON NADDY ZIALOR Yes.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ou dir dezyenm laliny?

HON NADDY ZIALOR Yes.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Kot i komans avek probate - letter.

HON NADDY ZIALOR I annan en “s”.


MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ok. Probate forward slash “letter” i vin plural.

Onorab Georges ou annan, ok panel i ok ek sa.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair, Mr Chair mon ti a wi sa efektivman, ti en pti omission sa letter.

I dan, it should be plural.

Akoz menm si i annan en sel let, it's son terms of arts se touzour letters of administration.
Be mon ti anvi avek ou permisyon, malgre ki nepli annan ankor amannman, reponn en kestyon - ou plito, donn leklersisman ki Onorab Aglae, ti'n kestyonnen pli boner.

en In fact i ti dir napa Maurice, napa Madagascar.

E efektivman, sa se bann - napa La France osi.

Se bann landrwa, se bann pei ki napa en sistenm probate.

Akoz sistenm probate i sirtou bann ex colony Britanik.

E si nou regard, dan Schedule 1 nimero 14, Canada including all the provinces, eksepte Quebec.
Akoz Quebec li osi i annan Kod Sivil parey nou.

E i napa en sistenm, en sistenm probate dan tou bann lezot i annan.

E mon mazinen ki i annan, i annan serten lezot teritwar ki pa ladan akoz zot Lalwa i baze plito Lalwa Franse, non pa lo ou Lalwa Siksesyon sirtou i baze lo Lalwa Franse non pa Lalwa Angle.

Mersi.

64 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi pou sa leksplikasyon.

Sa i ti bann lamannman ki ti annan.


Donk aprezan nou pou retourn dan Staz Lasanble, pou nou kapab pran en vot lo bann lamannman.

Mersi.

Donk nou ava demann LGB pou move en Mosyon pou Third Reading of the Bill.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker anba Order 76(1) nou Standing Orders, mon move ki the Probates (Re-sealing) Bill, 2022, as amended i ganny lir en Dezyenm Fwa.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi LGB.

Onorab Hoareau?

HON JOHN HOAREAU Mosyon i ganny seconded.


MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi pou segonn Mosyon.

Donk aprezan nou pou pran en vot lo Motion for Third Reading Bill as amended.

Nou ava demann tou bann Manm, ki an faver pou endike silvouple?

Mersi.

Okenn Manm ki kont?

Mersi Madanm Clerk.

Formal Third Reading, Probates (Re- sealing) Bill, 2022 as amended, 18 Manm in vot an faver, okenn Manm pa’n vot kont e okenn Manm pa’n abstain.

Donk Bill as amended, in pase.


Prezan nou ava demann Madanm Clerk pou proceed avek Third Reading silvouple.

MADAM CLERK Mersi Mr Speaker.

This Act may be cited as The Probates (Re- sealing) Act, 2022.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

Property MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Madanm Clerk.

Nou pou pas lo prosen item lo nou Order Paper.

E sa i pour en lot Bill Immovable Tax (Amendment) Bill, 2022.

Bann Zofisye ki pou avek nou Vis- Prezidan i reste.

Mr Stefan Knights sorti kot Biro Attorney General i reste.
Me mon krwar i annan de lezot zofisye, ki pou zwenn nou.

Donk mon ti ava demann madanm raporter, pou al sers zot silvouple.

Mersi.

Bon nou pou nou progranm travay e nou ava swet labyenveni bann zofisye ki fek zwenn nou.
kontinyen ek Nou annan dabor bann ki pe asiz lo latab devan, i annan manmzel Seylina Verghese ki Direkter Zeneral pour Tax and Financial Sector Policy Division, i annan osi Mrs Wendy Pierre ki kot Registrar General 65 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Registration Division.

E lo nou side table nou annan manmzel Roseline Lepathy ki Director Compliance and Policy Unit, sorti kot Seychelles Revenue Commission.

Welcome.
Welcome.

So nou ava aprezan demann LGB pou fer, pou request Second Reading for the Bill, please.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonn apre midi bann zofisye ki fek zwenn nou.

Madanm Pierre, Verghese, Lepathy.

Mr Speaker anba Order 69(2) mon move ki the Immovable Tax (Amendment) Bill, 2022, i ganny lir en Dezyenm Fwa.

Mersi.

Property MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi LGB.

Onorab Hoareau ou pe move pou segonde.

HON JOHN HOAREAU Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mon pe segonn Mosyon.


MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Hoareau.

Donk mon ava envit, Vis-Prezidan Ahmed Afif pou entrodwir nou sa Bill silvouple.

Mersi.

THE VICE-PRESIDENT MR AHMED AFIF Mersi bokou Mr Speaker.

Leader Zafer Gouvernman tou bann Manm Onorab, tou piblik a lekout, bonn apre midi.

prezant Mr Speaker mon pe vin devan Lasanble, ozordi ankor pou Immovable Property Tax (Amendment) Bill, 2022.
An gro bann lobzektif prensipal sa Prozedlwa, se premyerman, fer serten lamannman pour fasilit lenplimantasyon Immovable Property Tax, Act, mye koni koman IPT Act.

E ed bann Lotorite konsernen ki enkli Komisyon Reveni, Biro Rezistrar Zeneral e Lofis Zofisye ansarz pou Valyasyon ki baze kot Minister responsab pou Later pou administre sa Lalwa.
Dezyenmman fer serten lamannman an relasyon avek prosedir valyasyon, ki enkli prosedir ki ganny servi pou determin valer bann propriyeter ki'n ganny aste an deviz etranzer.

E trwazyenmman, fer serten lamannman miner pou fer IPT Act pli kler.

E asire ki i konsistan avek bann Lalwa relevan, tel ki Land Registration Act.

Mr Speaker mon pou prezan donn plis detay lo bann lo bann lamannman mazer ki pe ganny propoze atraver sa e souliny zot Prozedlwa rezondet.
66 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Sa Prozedlwa pe propoze ki Seksyon 13, i ganny amande pou donn Biro Rezistrar Zeneral abilite, pou kapab anrezistre bann propriyete.

E update bann ownership details.

Dan bann lenstans spesifik, kot sa bann propriyete in ganny transmet lo endividi, ouswa antite etranze.

Par egzanp dan bann sirkonstans kot sa propriyeter in mor.

Sa antite oubyen sa konpannyen, in faid, oubyen kot Lakour in donn en zizman.

Ouswa lord pou transfer sa propriyete.


I pou annan sa abilite pou tir bann, propriyeter lo sa rezis.

Me sa pou selman si in ganny demontre par sa tax payer ki i pa dwa okenn tax.

rol Zis pou soulinyen, enn bann prensipal Biro Rezistrar Zeneral, an sa ki IPT Act, se pou konsern mentenir en rezis, kot tou bann propriyete ki appartient a bann etranze.

An sa lamannman, pou ed Biro Rezistrar Zeneral, pou li pli byen deservi sa fonksyon e asire ki sa rezis i korek e i reste azour.
prensip Mr Speaker an relasyon avek valyasyon, sa Prozedlwa pe propoze ki Seksyon 15, i ganny amande pou enkli serten spesifye provizyon, pou prosedir egzakt ki pou ganny servi, pou kalkil market value, an Roupi, dan lenstans ki en propriyete i ganny aste an deviz etranzer.

Sa i enportan, anvi ki sistenm SRC, an se moman i pa annan sa abilite, pour li viv avek sa bann peyman dan okenn deviz apard ki Roupi.
Prenon kont ki a sa moman, napa okenn provizyon dan Lalwa ki fer mansyon, to lesanz ki devret ganny servi, i annan en nesesite pou enkli serten provizyon dan sa Lalwa, an relasyon avek sa.

I enportan pou note ki anba IPT Act, i annan de metod ki kabab ganny servi pou determin valer, ouswa market value, bann propriyete.

Sa i purchase price - enn.

Si sa propriyete in ganny aste dan en peryod 5an, ki IPT Act in antre anfors.

Ouswa atraver en valyasyon, ki'n ganny fer par en dimoun kalifye.
Esansyelman dan lenstans ki en propriyete in ganny aste an deviz etranzer, sa Prozedlwa pe propoze ki dan premye lannen ki sa propriyete pou in valyasyon, sa to lesanz ki’n ganny pibliye par Labank Santral, pour zour ki a ganny soumet kot Lofis Zofisye ansarz pou Valyasyon, i ganny servi.

soumet ganny 67 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 An vi ki valyasyon en propriyete i valid pou en peryod 5an, son valer an deviz i reste parey, pour sa 4an ki swiv apre ki in ganny valye.
To lesanz ki ganny servi, pou sak sa bann lannen, i pou sa to lesanz ki ganny pibliye par Labank Santral pou le 1 Zanvye dan sa lannen konsernen.

Rezon prensipal ki sa to lesanz pe ganny servi, se akoz anba Seksyon 5, IPT Act, tax i ganny enpoze, le 1 Zanvye, sel leksepsyon pou sa pwen se pour lannen 2021.

Sa Bill pe propoze pou lannen 2021, ki valer sa propriyete an deviz, i ganny konverti, an servan to lesanz ki ganny pibliye par Labank Santral, pou le 01 Avril 2021.
Sa i akoz pou lannen 2020, Gouvernman prolonz, deadline pou peyman tax sorti le 31 Desanm 2020, pou vin le 31 Mars 2021. ti Sa i vedir ki tax pou lannen, 2021 ti ganny enpoze le 01 Avril, 2021.

E non pa le 1 Zanvye parey labitid.

sa Mr Speaker avek prosedir nou anvizaz-e ki sa ki nou apel market value, sa bann tel propriyete pou ganny determinen dan en mannyer pli zis.

E pour afekte mwens, avek bann diferans dan to lesanz.
I bon note ki malgre ki provizyon dan sa Lalwa i fer ki valer en propriyete i valid pou 5an, napa nanryen ki anpes bann propriyeter soumet en nouvo valyasyon avan sa.

Sa i pou arive, normalman dan bann sityasyon ki valer sa propriyete in monte ou desann.

tel Pou kouver bann sirkonstans, seksyon 15(10) in ganny enkli dan sa Prozedlwa.
Mr Speaker baze lo sa bann eleman prensipal ki mon’n prezante lo sa Bill, mon ti a kontan soumet sa Immovable Property Tax (Amendment) Bill, 2022, laprouvasyon Lasanble Nasyonal.

Mersi bokou Mr Speaker.

pou lo MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Vis-Prezidan pou ou lentrodiksyon sa Bill.

Aprezan, lasal i ouver pou deba lo merit zeneral sa Bill.

Okenn Manm ki ti ava kontan entervenir a sa staz.

Non mon pa vwar okenn lendikasyon.

So ki nou pou fer la nou al dan, nou move direk?


I annan lamannman, so nou bouz direk lo komite?

Oule entervenir?

Wi ok.

So nou ava pran en vote lo merit sa Bill, parske napa personn ki anvi entervenir.

So bann Manm ki zot ava endike an faver, 68 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 lo Property silvouple?

Mersi.

Okenn Manm ki kont?

Mersi.


Vot general merit Tax Immovable (Amendment) Bill, 2022, i annan 17 Manm ki’n vot an faver, okenn Manm pa’n vot kont, 1 Manm in abstain, Bill in pase.

Donk prezan nou ava demann Madanm Clerk pou fer Formal Reading Second silvouple.

MADAM CLERK Mersi Mr Speaker.

A Bill for an Act to amend the Immovable Property Tax Act, 2019.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Madanm Clerk.

Nou aprezan demann Serzan pour move pou Committee Stage.

Mersi.
Mersi.

Bills Committee Onorab Hoareau mon prezimen ou ki pe lead nou dan sa Committee Stage, proceed.

HON JOHN HOAREAU Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair nou premye lamannman i ganny trouve.

Amendment of Section 13, subclause 11.


E la i lir “Notwithstanding koumsa, subsection (10), the Registrar General shall not remove the name of a person” prezan la nou pe retir sa bout ki dir “ who is no longer liable”, i kontinyen i dir “as a taxpayer from the register unless”, la nou'n add “evidence has been provided under section 26(2) and section 26(3) that”, ok sa in ganny azoute e i kontinyen, “all taxes due and payable by that person are paid.” MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Hoareau.
Mon vwar Mr Knight has indicated that you want to say something.

ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL STATE COUNSEL STEFAN KNIGHTS Thank you, Mr Speaker.

In that Section I would propose that it reads, on the Section 26 subsection 2 and 3 as opposed to rewritten the section 26(3).

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Honorable Hoareau, you are in agreement with it?

HON JOHN HOAREAU Yes, yes.

It’s alright.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER So it will read as…?

HON JOHN HOAREAU Instead of the 26, we’ve removed the 26.
It’s just 2 and then goes 3, instead of repeating 26 again.

69 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ok so we can proceed.

Hang on.

Onorab Hoareau, Onorab Loze in endike i le pran laparol.

Petet HON JOHAN LOZE Mr Speaker mon ti pe sers en leklersisman.

avek Onorab Georges, ki li i sit on the former alteration of the law revision, ki nou fek amande ce matin la, i fer detrwa fwa kot nou pe pas bann lamannman, kot nou pe swa enforce oubyen reser rol of the Registrar.
Mon krwar dernyen fwa ti anba bann Lalwa AMLCFT kot nou, ti amann son pozisyon anba ACCS, nou servi ACCS wi, if I remember correctly.

Kestyon ki mon anvi demann Onorab Georges, eski i pa santi i annan serten nesesite petet to pay pe particular attention dan bann Lalwa kot Registrar i aparet.

E once and for all petet nou gete, nou reviz tou bann bout ki annan pou fer avek li.

Akoz mon pa konnen akoz mon ganny lenpresyon ki'n en pe ganny neglize.
E sak fwa i vini prezan, nek i pe dir nou poudir i annan isi, i annan laba ki li i santi i bezwen ganny ranforsi, kot rol son lofis i konsernen, an relasyon avek sa bann divers Lalwa, kot li i annan en rol pou zwe ladan.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab ou ti pe adres sa query avek Onorab Georges.

Akoz Law Commission, ki i byen nou'n aprouve bomaten.

Be solman i Registrar General i la, li osi kekfwa i a kapab dir nou en parol, si i santi wi i annan sa bann nesesite.
lefet ki Onorab Georges oule comment lo la?

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Mon krwar ou annan rezon, Registrar i ava mye plase pou reponn sa kestyon.

Me solman, e mon’n dir sa dan lepase, Registrar General isi Sesel, i Registrar General, i Registrar of Deeds, e Land Registrar i Registrar of i Stamp Duty Trade Marks i Registrar of Commissioner, Associations, until recently i ti Curator of vacant estates.
Donk se en rol, ki vreman vast son, parey bann Francais i dir son chant d’action, i vreman vast e kekfwa.

I neseser reform, e la prezan nou'n azout sa job, nou pe al azout sa job taler pou fer tax, pour immovable property tax.

Big job.

E mon krwar si mon pa tronpe, i annan menm en move li notifye 70 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 registry, sorry pour merge Registrar of Companies osi.
E i posib ki annan en move pou merge Registrar of Companies avek Registrar of International Business Companies, dan en sel landrwa.

So definitivman i enn sa bann landrwa kot nou bezwen, regard fonksyon ek kapasite sa unit as a whole.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Savedir Lasanble pa pou konplent si Registrar i demann en pay rise dan Bidze lafen lannen.

Madanm Pierre ou le fer en komanter, lo sa bann fonksyon ki ou pe gannyen dan sa bann bout Lalwa ki vin kot nou detanzaot?
GENERAL REGISTRAR WENDY PIERRE Bonn apre midi tou Manm.

Thank you, Mr Chair.

Anyway, si mon kapab, sa ki mon kapab i annan en partaze legzersis ki nou fer ansanm avek Biro Attorney Zeneral.

Kot i annan bann Lalwa ki tonm anba responsabilite Rezistrar Zeneral.

Nou pe revwar tousala pou nou, regard zot relevans.

la se Espesyalman vi ki annan bann Lalwa ki pe ganny revize.

Pou kapab fer ki zot konsistan avek, bann provizyon ki egziste anba bann Lalwa ki tonm anba Rezistrar.

So i en legzersis ki ongoing.


Yes, anyway, if i may add, definitivman i annan son bann challenging ki vin, sa challenge ki vin avek.

Be selman nou restriktir nou lofis avek nou bann staff, pou asire ki as much as possible nou kapab delivre lo bann responsabilite ki nou ganny konfye.

So i en work in progress, si mon kapab partaze.

Kot nou pe revwar tous sa bann Lalwa.

E definitivman si nou vwar bann lenstans kot nou bezwen amande, pou update.
E pou fer li konsistan avek bann lezot Lalwa ki tonm anba bann lezot antite.

Kot nou bezwen travay ki zot, sa i en legzersis ki nou pou pare pou nou fer.

E nou pe actually fer li osi.

Thank you, Mr Chair.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Mrs Pierre.

Avan ou proceed mon ti'n vwar Onorab Aglae.

In endike i le pran laparol.

HON EGBERT AGLAE Yes mersi Mr Speaker.

An referans dan menm laliny, avek valer ki i annan trwa akter kle.

Sirtou dan Mother Bill, dan Act 2019.


Ou annan kot ou annan Komisyoner Zeneral, ou pou annan Rezistrar Zeneral, apre i 71 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 fer mansyon Evaluation Officer.

avek Chief Prezan mwan mon le konn en pe petet rol.

Akoz dan lenstans parey kot i annan bann egzanpsyon, egzanpsyon donn ki se Minis egzanpsyon dapre Mother Act ok?

Me selman i pa fer okenn, referans si i pou bezwen annan okenn konsiltasyon avek sa trwa per kle li menm.
pou i kapab Baze lo egzanpsyon, me selman fer bann regilasyon dan ki konteks, i kapab kree bann egzanpsyon ki pa pou pey tax.

So la mon vwar poudir, Minister li dan en sans i pou act alone.

Me selman bann pli gro travay, se sa trwa dimoun prensipal ki pou bezwen fer dan sa Bill li menm li.

Petet leklersisman ladan.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Panel i le fer en komanter lo sa?

Vis-Prezidan Afif.

THE VICE-PRESIDENT MR AHMED AFIF Mersi Mr Chair.


Mr Chair mon mazinen, Rezistrar Zeneral i kapab donn en leklersisman lo bann exemptions.

Otan ki mon i konnen bann exemptions ganny fer klerman anba Lalwa.

E i annan bann Clause spesifik pour zot.

Me mon a les li donn sa, mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Sertennman Mrs Pierre.

GENERAL REGISTRAR WENDY PIERRE Thank you, Mr Chair.

Ok so, registration pou sa process peyman tax anba sa Lalwa spesifik.
I komans avek nou lofis, so nou prensipalman nou kit nou en rezis, kot nou anrezistre tou bann non- Seychellois.

Be it en endividi en antite.

E i pas atraver en process mon kapab dir, en due diligence kot nou ascertain poudir, definitivman lekel ki pe vini.

Zot actually indeed sa ki zot pe claim to be, zot pa annan interest dan propriyete oubyen zot own propriyete.

So once ou'n fini fer sa prosedir, anrezistre, nou push sa kot Validation Officer - Chief Validation Officer.
E ki eventually i al end up, kot Biro Tax pou peye.

Ok?

So an term exemption par egzanp anba Lalwa, parey Onorab Afif in mansyonnen, when it comes to commercial, dan bann ka kot dimoun in marye avek en Seselwa, dan bann ka i miner par egzanp.

Kot paran osi i Seselwa.

72 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 VP dan first Bann time owner, when it comes to residential osi.
Tousala in parey mansyonnen, i klerman ganny site Savedir definitivman nou go through en checklist pou ascertain poudir indeed whoever pe claim i ganny exempted e i indeed ganny exempted.

Lalwa.

Apre osi i annan prosedir exemption ki zot pas atraver.

So tousala, zot bezwen apply to be exempted.

So tousala i ede pou kapab fer sa, ou konnen pou fer i enn ki sa process ki transparan.

E si pou pe eventually, ganny ou exempted from payment of tax.
Ou kapab asire poudir ou'n pas dan en due process ki’n ascertain sa stati.

pe MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Registrar General, mon vwar Vis-Prezidan ou le dir en keksoz.

THE VICE-PRESIDENT MR AHMED AFIF Mersi bokou Mr Chair.

Mr Chair en reprezantan Finans, Ms Seylina i ti a kontan osi donn en pe leklersisman lo exemption anba sa Lalwa.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ok Verghese.

sertennman.

Manmzel DIRECTOR GENERAL SEYLINA VERGHESE Bonn apre midi tou dimoun.

Mersi Mr Chair.
Mersi Mr Chair.

Parey in mansyonnen par VP, e Registrar General, dan Lalwa li menm li in bann propriyete ki actually exempt from taxes.

spesifye lekel E an menm tan, Minister Finans i pe al pibliy en Exemption Order, kot i annan an plis ki sa bann, ki Registrar in mansyonnen, i annan enn de bann lezot exemptions ki nou pe al donnen.

donnen Sa i in terms of parey, si i annan bann akomodasyon ki bann zot employees, oubyen osi si i annan bann propriyete ki kekfwa laspe i annan sa konservasyon.
pou kapab exempt E baze lo approval, from Minister pou responsab Lanvironnman, i annan bann provizyon ki nou pou donnen ki zot from Immovable Property tax.

Osi i annan en pe in terms of bann klarite lo kote bann Embassies, as per sa Vienna Convention ki nou pou fer li pli kler ki i annan sa exemption Immovable Property Tax.

So sa diskresyon ki pou ganny donnen a Minis Finans.

Me i pou napa lo 73 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 selman i pou spesifik dapre Lalwa.

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi manmzel Verghese.

Onorab Woodcock ou annan en pwen?

HON WAVEL WOODCOCK Mersi Deputy Speaker.

mon kestyon i pou madanm Registrar General.

Mon annan en kestyon annefe i pa zis sorti kot mwan, kot plizyer manm piblik pe demande.I annan en kantite etranze ki pe tenir propriyete Sesel.

Me zot pa’n Sesel pou plizyer lannen i annan ki 10an, 15an, 20an e menm plis.

E en bon pe zot pa pey zot tax.


Eski zot in nobou kapab idantifye ouswa en resansman in ganny fer, pou idantifye lekel sa bann etranze, lekel sa bann propriyete ki petet tax pa pe ganny peye lo la?

Si ou kapab donn ou en pe lenformasyon.

Eski si ou kapab donn ou en pe lenformasyon eski zot annan sa kapasite pou zot al idantifye al rod sa bann later?

E pou zot al rod sa bann dimoun osi aletranze ki’n aste propriyete Sesel ki zot pa pey tax lo la?

mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi pour sa pwen.


Mon vwar Registrar General ki pou reponn.

proceed.

REGISTRAR GENERAL WENDY PIERRE Yes thank you Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.

Ok so yes like you said sa pou actually asize pou ascertain kantite propriyete i ganny owned by etranze.

Sa i en legzersis ki nou pa ankor fini - ok?

I ongoing.
I ongoing.

Me selman as nou konmans si mon kapab share avek ou, definitivman ler i annan en window pandan lannen kot Rezistrar i sipoze pe pibliy en notis dan Nasyon, apre dan Gazet Ofisyel kot pe notifye tou bann etranze pe annan propriyete pou zot vin devan pou zot anrezistre zot lekor, apre pou eventually.

So zot liable pou zot pey zot tax.

So sa dan li menm i en fason pou nou pibliy sa nesesite pou sa bann dimoun vin devan pou nou kapab ganny sa lenformasyon.
So definitivman as you know over the years nou lofis i enn ki’n paper based en kantite.

It’s only now ki nou pe fer serten travay pou nou kapab met keksoz elektronik.

So pou actually asize avek plis ki 90 mil file i pa en pti ou 74 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 kapab mazinen i pa en pti task dan li menm.

Be selman sa i en pwen ki nou’n diskite at length e mon panse once nou’n kapab met nou’n update nou bann sistenm - akoz nou annan en sistenm land registration.
Kot nou pe kontinyen travay lo la pou nou update li ek data.

Apre nou pe scan tou bann files atraver proze, so nou panse ler nou’n met tousala electronically avek diskisyon ki nou ava gannyen avek DICT ava allow nou, nou ava kapab pick up lo bann - i annan lo bann propriyete ki ganny own by etranze.

Akoz la recently i enportan ki definitivman zot donn nou par egzanp zot paspor tousala.

So sa i bann detay ki pou allow nou pou servi nou kapab pick up lo sa bann lo sati ownership as to foreigners dan Sesel.
pou Be selman i en travay kontinyel.

E sa of course i reste enportan and mon’n hopefully mansyonnen nou ava kapab ganny sa bann lenformasyon in the near future.

Thank you.

parey nou MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Registrar General.

Lasanble i ava rapel ki nou ti fek etable en kestyon pour Minis Finans 2 ou 3 semenn pase on the very subject Immovable Property Tax.

Donk i en area ki nou merit gard nou lizye lo la akoz i anmenn en konponan reveni enportan pou Gouvernman.
Donk nou bezwen kontinyen gard nou lizye lo la, pou asire ki tou bann resours ki bann antite konsernen i merit gannyen zot gannyen.

Nou pou proceed avek lamannman.

Onorab Hoareau.

HON JOHN HOAREAU lamannman Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair en next lamannman ki ou menm ou’n anmennen Onorab Gervais Henrie.

i Pou insert en new 13A (3) ki pou lir koumsa.


‘’Upon the registration or insurance of a certificate of registration the Registrar General shall forward the details of registration under this section to the Commissioner General and the chief valuator for the purpose of determining whether the person is liable as a tax payer.’’ MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Hoareau.

Mr Knights you want to make a comment propose on amendment?
the 75 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL STATE COUNSEL STEFAN KNIGHTS Yes please Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker with the greatest if respect we don’t agree with proposal.

And the reason being is that not every person on that list will be liable to pay taxes.

This will include the commercial properties So thank you.

in particular.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER for Thank contribution.

Georges you want something to that?


you the Honourable to add HON BERNARD GEORGES Yes Mr Chair, if I may.

As I understand your proposal, you want it to be made clear that the moment a person who is due to pay tax, is registered that not only that person is notified but also the Commission General and the chief valuation officer are notified.
If you correctly then, Mr Knights reservation might need to be reconsidered, because it’s only tax payers who will be affected and not those who don’t have to pay tax.
I understand And if I understand that correctly I wonder whether Mr take into Knights might consideration, the not a new insertion of 13A but an amendment of the current 13 sorry not a new subsection to 13 A, but an amendment to the current 13A(2) which obliges the Registrar General to give right notice in writing to a person who is registered.
And I wonder whether we could not beak that into two and to say the Registrar General will give notice not only to that person, but also the Commission General and the Chief Valuation Officer.

If you see what I mean?


to So instead of inserting new subclause that it could break clause 13A(2) which obliges the Registrar General to give notice to the person affected, also now obliges the Registrar General to give notice not only to the person affected, but also the Commission General and the Chief Valuator Officer.

to MR DEPUTY SPEAKER The Thank you Honourable Georges.
proposed amendment it’s quite straight forward in the sense that it’s an administrative procedure that we want to be clear in the law just to avoid any ambiguity for a that person appointed to 76 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 position, to claim I was not aware that I had to do this.

So it’s just make sure that this procedure is stated in black and white.

Mr Knights.

PRINCIPAL ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL STEFAN KNIGHTS Mr Speaker thank you.
Again I do not agree respectfully with the Honourable Georges.

that General it provides At section 14 of the Act the itself Commission in consultation with the Registrar General and the Chief Valuation Officer shall prepare annual register of tax payers.

And I think this matter shall be left administratively to be dealt with.
For in the Bill itself we have made it clear that a person cannot rely on the section as a lawful excuse for failure to apply to the Registrar General to non- be Seychellois Immovable Property owners register.

registered the So we think that it’s just remain as it is as opposed to that it may cause difficulty on us in that regard.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Thank you Mr Knights.

Honourable Georges you want to add on something?

HON BERNARD GEORGES I am fighting your fight Mr Chair.
But I think it’s a fight worth fighting if you permit me.

Because I can see where you are where you are proposing to go.

And perhaps I am not making myself clear to Mr Knights.

at look If we the amendment which is before us so 13A (2) - 13A subclause (2) says that the Registrar General in 13A(1) is given the power to register and not wait until the beginning of the year to do the list.

And that is a worthwhile insertion.


Because something might happen during the course of the year where the Registrar General becomes aware that somebody has become a … So registers and the Registrar notifies the person.

What amendment the seeks to do is that the Registrar not only notify the person, but while notifying the person also lets the Commission General know of that new registration as it were, and also let the Chief know, Evaluation instead of waiting for the next year.
So that already they become aware and they can start taking steps to value the property and collect the tax.

I Officer 77 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 think Thank you.

that’s your intention.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER And If I may add, in some instances the Commissioner General may write back to the Register General and say this property is not acceptable because it falls under such and such exemption.
Because the Registrar General will not know in which category that property is registered or falls under.

Mr Knights?

ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL STATE COUNSEL STEFAN KNIGHTS Mr Speaker I am not gonna engaged in a battle with the Honourable Georges on this.

But administratively we already get the information as well because of the TIN that is shared amongst bodies in any event.
three the So we don’t think that it’s necessary to put it in the law itself, because administratively the bodies will already get access to that information based on their current status.

Thank you.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER DIRECTOR SEYLINA VERGHESE GENERAL Yes.

If I could just add to what Mr Knights just mentioned.

So the way the system is, is that as soon as registration does put in the information in the system, if it’s or one which would be liable to taxes they would raise a TIN number.
So SRC would then know - they would be aware of all those which have been registered are liable to taxes.

have So I believe if it’s an issue in terms of to make sure of that we someone who registered but who is not paying the taxes SRC would be able to pick up, thank you.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER If I may ask is the panel telling us that right now, there is a platform that information is input and both - I mean all Registrar General.

Commissioner General and the Chief Valuator have access too?
So the system it’s online and it’s working?

That’s what we’ve been told now as the Assembly?

DIRECTOR SEYLINA VERGHESE GENERAL Ms Verghese you want to Yes Mr Chair.

say something?

HON BERNARD GEORGES 78 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 that’s Thank you.

Well certainly clarifies the position.

But the way I read 13A assuming in June I sell my property – it’s not registered because I am a Seychellois.

But I sell my property to a non-Seychellois in June.
What we are doing now under 13A (2) is we are saying the Registrar General must tell the person who I sold my property to, that, that person has now been registered for the tax and not wait until the list is made next year.

That was 13(2) does.

Now are you saying that when the Registrar tells the person who brought the property from me, that they are now registered to pay Immovable the Property Commission General and the Officer Chief Valuation that?

somehow know about That is the question.


Tax, that MR DEPUTY SPEAKER I ask proposed But may the Registrar General to comment on amendment.

the Because this is another task that the Assembly is proposing that she takes up.

a It’s simple just to administrative procedure Commissioner inform General and the Chief Valuator that I’ve registered property X the with that be too much to ask of you National from Assembly?

the REGISTRAR WENDY PIERRE GENERAL Thank you Mr Chair.
Ok so tou sa ki’n - all that has been said by Mr Knights, Ms Verghese that these are correct.

I mean they we’ve got a system.

But as you said if this is gonna be purely kind of notification administratively which is on our office, which will ensure that this information is pushed through.

For instance if there is a problem with the system which is not working which can happen.
And when I look at the instances under these new subsection where the Registrar may cause tax payer to be registered – it’s not, I don’t see this as happening everyday.

personally after listening to everything which is being said and when you pass in terms of whether that’s gonna be an administrative burden I don’t see it as such.

So So for me it’s not a big task.


So if the Assembly would like us to put that, so that you know it ensures that the information are shared amongst three I’ve not main authorities, objection to that.

Thank you.

these 79 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 MR DEPUTY SPEAKER you Thank Registrar General.

As the main sponsored of the of the Bill, we would like to hear VP’s point of view on the proposed amendment.
Particularly I am ok with the way Honourable Georges has amended the amendment.

So I am ok.

So what is the VP’s point of proposed the on view amendment?

THE VICE-PRESIDENT MR AHMED AFIF Thank you Mr Chair.

Mr Chair I have listen to both sides and the way I see it is that if as Honourable Georges suggested, half way through there is a new registration that happens and the person is liable to tax.

From what I understand is what he is suggesting would happen in any case.
Because the person would have to be through the Registrar General registered for tax.

And because it’s about Immovable Property Tax.

So automatically, because they are taxable they would have to be assigned a TIN.

And that TIN would be from SRC.

So they would have - there is - she’s got the powers to assign that TIN automatically.

So that process that you’re asking to put in the law would happen anyway automatically through the system as it is.
So you can add it, but it’s not going to make a difference it would happen because anyway.

Thank you Mr Chair.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Thank you VP.

Any further comment from the floor?

Mr Knights.

ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL STATE COUNSEL STEFAN KNIGHTS Mr Speaker just to also lay any concerns that you have, the annual register and section 14 (3) of the Act itself can be amended anytime during the add a person’s name to the register or even correct any mis error, omission description.
or So the correction can be - the name can be added at any point of the year.

So we don’t see the proposed amendment.

Thank you.

the need to make MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Thank you Mr Knights.

Any suggestion from the floor?

So an amendment has been moved and then Honourable 80 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Georges has made a proposal to the proposed amendment.

seconded then we will have to … is The not panel necessarily 100% in agreement.
But does the Assembly feels that as an abundance of caution it’s just a simple administrative procedure, will put it there or not we can take a vote or on it, what did we suggest?

Honourable Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES If the Honourable Leader of the Opposition were here this afternoon Mr Speaker he would have said we need to vote on it.

Because it’s an amendment that has been moved and … MR DEPUTY SPEAKER And it’s a proposal from MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Yes I am ok with your amendment to the amendment.
Do we have a secondment on this?

Honourable Woodcock.

HON WAVEL WOODCOCK Amendment seconded Mr Speaker.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Amendment seconded.

So there is a need that we take a vote on the amendment.

So those in favor?

But before we take a vote.

Can you read what the amendment is saying?

Honourable Georges?

the Assembly.

HON BERNARD GEORGES it’s And HON BERNARD GEORGES yes the Assembly we are the Legislators not - with respect to the panel - although we are very happy for them to enlighten us.
- So the issue is and we need to take we need to take the lead from you, because it is in fact your amendment.

If you wish to be the amendment tabled or to continue to be tabled, it would need to be - I will move for the amendment to the amendment, and if that is Thank you Mr Chair.

Mr to the amendment Chair Clause 13 capital A (2).
is And it would read as follows, (A) in brackets ‘’The Registrar general shall give notice in writing of such registration to’’ and a dash ‘’the Commission General and the Officer; Valuation Chief paragraph (B) in brackets ‘’the person and the person’s last known address or by electronic delivery, that any failure to do so, or to serve, the notice be 81 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 served etc shall not absolve the person from any obligation under this Act.’’ that inserting Basically that the - we are just the Commissioner General, Chief Valuation Officer as well as the person concerned are informed.
Thank you.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Thank you.

So everybody is clear on this one.

All those in favor of the amendment?

Thank you.

Those against?

Thank you.

on the vote the So amendment from Honourable Georges we have 14 in favor no one vote against and we have 6 abstention.

So the amendment is been approved.

We will proceed with another amendment Honourable Hoareau.

HON JOHN HOAREAU Mersi Mr Chair.


Next amendment i ganny trouve lo 15A si Onorab Georges i annan lamannman avan sa, i ava fer nou konnen silvouple.

HON BERNARD GEORGES annan Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair pti en mon lamannman same on Clause.

Clause 5 to insert a new 13 capital A subclause 4. the de Kot i lir ‘’a person liable as tax payers under section 6 (1) cannot rely –‘’ I am proposing the following change.
‘’A person liable as (A) tax payer under 6 (1) ‘may not’ instead of ‘cannot’ – ‘ may not rely upon this section.’ MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Panel is ok with that proposal?

Honourable Hoareau.
Honourable Hoareau.

HON JOHN HOAREAU i pou Ok 15A -3A ‘’By converting li koumsa, the foreign currency to Seychelles Rupees using the midrate of exchange of currency for drafts it should by the Central Bank of Seychelles.’’ Apre nou retir sa bout ki dir, ‘’daily weighted trading exchange rates of the Central Bank of Seychelles.’ Apre i kontinyen son bout normal - ‘’On the date of receipt of the valuation and …’’ ok?
Apre subsection (B) i lir koumsa, ‘’in each subsequent year whilst the valuation is valid by foreign currency to Seychelles Rupees using the …’’ converting the Prezan nou pe retir sa bout ki dir ‘’daily weighted trading exchange rates of the Central Bank of Seychelles.’’ 82 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 Nou pe add - nou pe insert ‘’midrate of exchange of the currency for drafts issued by the Central Bank of Seychelles on 1st January.’’ Ok. MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ok. HON JOHN HOAREAU lir Son swivan subsection 4 i pou koumsa ‘’Notwithstanding subsection 3B Chief Valuation Officer and the Commissioner General shall use the midrate of exchange of the currency for drafts issued by the Central Bank of Seychelles.
‘’ Sa i en new insertion.

Apre nou pe retir the daily weighted exchange trading rates of the Central Bank of Seychelles …’’ Apre i kontinyen son bout normal.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Hoareau.

HON JOHN HOAREAU E sa ti dernyen bout ki lo pou mwan lamannman.

mon annan konman bann Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ok. Onorab Cosgrow ti’n edike ki oule fer en komanter lo sa seksyon la.

Mersi.

HON WALLACE COSGROW Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair annefe mon annan de query.


Mon premye query i ti posib ganny fer dan deba merit.

Me solman vi ki ti kourt mon’n profite esper ler nou’n ariv lo sa seksyon.

Enn i konsern par egzanp ler en dimoun i submit en valuation.

Eski i annan en counter valuation par sa Chief Valuation Officer?

E si petet sa Chief Valuation Officer pa dakor avek sa valuation i annan dout lo sa valuation, ki arive dan sa bann lenstans?

E mon dezyenm i lo 15 (A) (B) mon’n ekout prezantasyon VP taler.
Mon query lo la i se ki vi ki nou pe pran rate baze lo le 1 Zanvye sa lannen.

Eski petet nou pa pe anmar nou lanmen dan en sityasyon kot petet let’s say sa peyman i ganny fer an Zen, sa menm lannen.

E nou annan en rate of exchange ki petet pli o, e eski Gouvernman pa pe perdi reveni ki ti pou anmase ki si i pe operate lo en rate of exchange ki’n ganny determinen 1 Zanvye sa lannen?

So konmsi nou pe limit nou lekor to 1 Zanvye, eski ki napa Gouvernman i perdi reveni in the process?

Sa i mon de query.
Sa i mon de query.

posibilite en 83 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi pour sa de pwen.

Panel i ava endike lekel ki pou VP, akoz mon mazinen dan son dezyenm bout i bout ki ou’n fer resorti dan ou prezantasyon.

Proceed.

THE VICE-PRESIDENT MR AHMED AFIF Mersi Mr Chair.

Mwan mon ava reponn sa dezyenm bout kot Onorab pe demande ki dizon an Zen i ariv en tranzaksyon e prezan nou pe servi to lesanz le 1 Zanvye si sa i anmar nou?
I pa pou leka, akoz Lalwa i fer provizyon ki sa tranzaksyon pe arive se zour sa tranzaksyon i arive ki son to lesanz i ganny aplike.

ler Se kan ki ou pou servi 1 Zanvye se pour sa bann lannen ki swiv.E pou sak lannen ki swiv se i bezwen pey son 0.25 poursan.

Alor pou konn valer propriyete zot pou reevalye - well ot pou fer assumption poudir sa propriyete i menm valer pou sa prosen 5an.
Son lannen answit zot pou pran sa valer an deviz etranzer, selman zot pou servi to lesanz le premye Zanvye pou sa lannen an antye.

si Me en selman tranzaksyon pe ariv a ler la ozordi, lo en propriyete ki annan en valer an deviz etranzer zot pou servi to lesanz sa zour.

Alor ou pa pou perdi lo la.

Selman lo kote premye kestyon ki ou pe demande si i annan en dezakor ant sa dimoun avek Chief Valuation Sa mon mazinen Officer.

Registrar General ava kapab reponn sa oubyen mon pa konnen si Minister Finans.
Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi VP.

Mon vwar manmzel Verghese anler i oule reponn sa kestyon.

DIRECTOR SEYLINA VERGHESE GENERAL Mersi Chair.

Lo kote si by any chance sa Chief Valuation Officer i pa agree avek sa evalyasyon ki’n ganny soumen.

I annan provizyon anba 17 dan Act.

Kot i dir the Chief Valuation Officer has reason to believe that the valuation is materially insufficient.

Prezan li i kapab fer son prop evalyasyon pou sa.


E zis pou azout lo sa ki VP in dir konsernan sa exchange rate pou le 1 Zanvye, sa rezon ki nou’n swazir le 1 Zanvye sa rezon ki nou’n swazir le 1 84 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 in a financial Zanvye se akoz anba Lalwa tax payable is imposed on 1 of January.

So sanmenm sa ki nou’n servi sa exchange rate pou le 1 Zanvye.

Mersi.

Eski i annan bann penalti ki pou antase avek, ler zot dekouver akoz i parey en frod sa?

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Manmzel Verghese.

Onorab Aglae.

HON EGBERT AGLAE En follow-up lo sa ki Ms Verghese or Mrs Verghese in dir.

Be dan bann lenstans kot ok akoz prosedir li menm avan sa non-Seychellois li menm li, in ganny dir poudir i bezwen dapre Lalwa i pou bezwen konmans pey son property tax – ok?
E la i kapab, eski i pou soumet en evalyasyon ki pou’n ganny fer par li menm li, i pou ale i pou rod en evaluation officer prive i pou fer assess la, la mon propriyete i kout sepa 2 milyon.

E ler in ganny soumet avek Biro Rezistrar zot vwar poudir be ler zot analiz pou ou, sa Chief in vwar be property i sipoze plis parey 5milyon.

Me selman i pe under declare sa.

So dan sa bann lenstans parey, eski i annan bann penalti ki zot kapab met sa dimoun akoz nenport ki i ti pou prefere pey mwens tax.
Mersi Onorab Aglae.

Lekel Manmzel ...?

kot panel Verghese.

DIRECTOR SEYLINA VERGHESE GENERAL Mersi Mr Chair.

Anyway an se moman mannyer Lalwa i ete, i pa vreman annan en penalti, akoz i kapab kekfwa i pa’n fer par ekspre.

Me aprezan selman sanmenm sa ki sa Chief Valuation Officer li pou ler li in fer evalyasyon i vwar poudir in understate li i pou mete poudir sa evalyasyon ki sipoze e tax pou ganny apply lo sa valer.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Manmzel.

annan klarifikasyon?


Ou HON EGBERT AGLAE So savedir i pou vin en second attempt of evaluation.

Eski i pou ganny sarze li?

Akoz in the first place any evalyasyon ki pou fer pou bezwen pe peye par sa zofisye.

Then if Chief i antre li i fer son prop evalyasyon eski i pou 85 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 ganny sarze en fee based lo sa travay ki’n ganny fer?

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi klarifikasyon.

Verghese.


pou sa Manmzel DIRECTOR SEYLINA VERGHESE GENERAL Anyway parey mon’n di i ki mannyer provizyon i ete la an se moman.

Selman bann letan ki actually pou annan sa penalti i si zot pa soumet en evalyasyon ditou.

Konmsi ou’n al register kot Registrar General e ou sipoze pe pey tax, ou pa’n vin soumet evalyasyon dan sa letan ki’n ganny enformen.

La sa Chief Valuation Officer pou sarz ou en penalti.
i dapre sa E sa penalti i provizyon 17(2) pou ariv double sa amount Immovable Property Tax ki zot sipoze peye.

.25poursan olye i pou pey pwen So indirectly .5poursan.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Manmzel Verghese.

Mon krwar sa ti dernyen pwen dan bann dan Staz Komite.

Nou ava reconvene Lasanble pou nou kapab pran en vot lo the Bill as amended.

Meri Serzan.

Donk aprezan nou pou pran en vot on the Bill as … Nou ava demann Leader of Government Busines avan pou move for Third Reading of the Bill.
HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker anba order 76(1) Standing Orders mon move ki the Immovable Property Tax (Amendment) Bill, 2022 i ganny lir en Trwazyenm Fwa.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Hoareau.

HON JOHN HOAREAU Good afternoon mon oule segonn sa Mosyon.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

So nou pou pran en vot aprezan lo the Bill as amended.

Tou bann Manm ki an faver mon ava demann zot pou endike silvouple.

Mersi, okenn Manm ki kont.

Mersi.

Property Mersi Madanm Clerk.


Donk for Third Formal Reading Immovable Tax (Amendment) Bill, 2022 as amended.

24 Manm in vot an faver, napa personn ki’n vot kont, e okenn Manm pa’n abstain.

86 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 in Donk Bill pase.

Aprezan nou ava demann Madanm Clerk pou fer Third Reading silvouple.

MADAM CLERK Mersi Mr Speaker.

A Bill for an Act the Immovable Property Tax Act, 2019.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

to amend MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Madanm Clerk.


Donk nou’n fini avek Immovable Property Tax Bill, 2022.

Nou ava remersye tou bann zofisye ki’n avek nou ozordi apre midi pou sa enn Bill apre sa enn avan, ti annan Vis-Prezidan, i annan osi Mr Stefan Knights ki sorti kot Assistant Principal State Counsel kot Biro Attorney Zeneral.

Manmzel Seylina Verghese Director General pour Tax and Financial Sector Policy Division.
Mrs Wendy Pierre Registrar General sorti kot avek Registration Manmzel Roseline Lepathy ki Director of Compliance Policy Unit kot Seychelles Revenue Commission.

Division Mersi pour zot prezans.

E nou ava kapab eskiz zot parmi nou avan ki nou kontinyen avek larestan nou travay pour zot lazournen.

Mersi pou prezans.

(THE VICE-PRESIDENT AND HIS DELEGATION WERE EXCUSED FROM THE HOUSE) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Bon in nou’n sot 3er edmi ler ki nou ti pou pran break ziska 4er.

Nou’n fini avek bann grosso modo.


Prosen item lo Order Paper i Mosyon.

Prezan nou kapab tonm dakor, nou kapab - Deputy Chief Whip lo kote US Government of Business lo kote parti mazoriter, do we come back for the Motion ouswa nou pran li fresh demen bomaten?

LGB.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.

Lo nou ti ava prefere demen fresh kote nou konmans bomaten.

Mon krwar nou’n travay ase for pou en zournen ozordi.

I pa zanmen en bon nide pou konmans en Mosyon 4er parey nou’n vwar enn fwa.
Akoz annan de fwa i nou lanpler ki li sa pa donn neseser.Alor lo nou kote nou, nou ti ava move ki nou adjourn pour lazournen ozordi.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi LGB.

Deputy Chief Whip lo kote US ou komanter?

87 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Tuesday 12th July, 2022 HON EGBERT AGLAE Mr Chair, parey presedans in ganny kree dan Lasanble si nou pou konmans en Mosyon apre 4er, i pa fer gran zistis a loter Mosyon li menm ek sa ki pou segonde.

So mon napa lobzeksyon ki nou kapab konmanse demen bomaten.
Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

E par lefet ki Chief Whip LDS i pe endike ki i oule dir Deputy Chief Whip Onorab Esparon.

HON REGINA ESPARON Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mon pou segonn sa propozisyon parske nou bezwen realize Mr Speaker, ki nou annan bann manm SADC osi ki depi bomaten zot pe partisip dan zoom.

Parske nou plenyer ki nou pa’n kapab travel nou pe fer li atraver zoom.

E i bon pou nou e nou bezwen tournen pou al dan sa zoom meeting 4er.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Esparon.


Wi zis pou lenformasyon piblik an ka zot in vwar poudir i annan serten Manm ki absante, letan mon pe regard lalis la i annan anviron i annan de Manm ki lo misyon aletranze.

Me apre i annan apepre 6 Manm 6 MNA ki dan bann sesyon zoom avek dan bann konferans aletranze ki pe fer online.

Alor apre sa Mosyon ler mon pe get li ase i heavy e mon pe espekte poudir bokou Manm pou entervenir lo la.
Donk mon ava agree avek gidans bann leaders e nou ava adjourn ziska demen bomaten.

Mersi pou zot partisipasyon.

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