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MARCH 14, 1901 14.

(Z to continue tbe contract wltb ========;======= dng higher.

the same contractortl.

6 & 7.

PublIc tender!l were called tor In 1897, nnd the present contract Is a reuewal tbe oDe made on the lit July ot that ot year.
one at unexampled prosperity, ProsperltT In trade and manutacrnres has brougbt pro- perlty to our national ~uances, and enablecJ' me at tbe cIole ot the year to annonnce too much to sa:t II not results wblcb It tormed the most satisfactory t1:nancla:1 stat... ment that e1'er tell to ,the lot at a )flnl,ter at Finance to make In tbe Dominion ot ~r.

C.A.RSCALLEN asked: Canada.

At a time of very considerable too, wben t1:nonclat stringency.

at 0 time.
at 0 time.

1. Who It the rontractoT for carrying the mana I our expendlturee were being conducted on from Madoc vlllaKe to Cel1traJ OntaTlo RailWAY a ve..... liberal scale we tound onr rennUM .t.&Uon at Eldorado 1 Z When was the contract entered Into and so generoul that w~ were able to prov1de ' t o r all our neMI wltbout bavlng reBort to tor' ",bat len,tb ot time!

fresh loanl, or even to an Issue ot.

treasury :MADOC MAlL SERVICE.

3.

What amount I. paid for tbe .enlce 7 4.

Were tender.
Were tender.

ad'l"erUlIed tor, and for bow bl1Il, ' J ' long were .uch adnrU.ement.

posted 1 of tenders, It any!

5.

Were any tenders receIved., and the amount 6.

DId the lowut tender recehe th co tra t 7 8 ow a Hon.

JAMES SUTHERLAND, n e c A.. glance at tbe receipts and expendltnr.

In comparison with the prevlonl year wiD th t tb h _n ncrease au ere was a gener along the Hne, I bave the bonour to present thll Itatement: al I the t1:gures the receipts ot , Cuatoma .. " Excl.
Poet olftCll MlsocellaneouB 1898-9.

125,311,841 9,14t,227 3,193,777 8,58P,404 1899-1000.

Inereaae, %8,374.147 3.057,SOI 221.848 9,868.075 11.758 3,205,535 99z,s12 9,582.%87 The ser- vice 1s performed by Mr. Josepb VUlan unaer a temporary ngreement entered Into the 1st July, 1900.

Mr. VUIBU'S con all tract expired on the 80tb June.

1900. and the service up to It was proposed to put tender.
but It W81 represented to the Port· mllster General tbat tbe Eldorado Rallway would be reopened wltbln a short time, and It would be better to postpone tbe tbat makIng ot a new tour years' contract until the question at otlllzlng tbe railway tor the con1'eyance ot malls coold be consIder ed; and tbe lenlce bas been performed sInce that tIme on the terml and conditions ot the tormer contract.

WAYS AND MEANS-THE BUDGET, Tbe MINISTER OF FINANCE (Hon.

W. The service II semi-daily.


distance 1 miles, and the rate ot pay $400 a year.

Tbe In· spector In reporting on the service stated thn.t the rate or pay was reosonable, and that the servIce had been latlstactorlly per rormed.
146,741,:41 '51,0:9,994 14,288,745 It may be remembered that In speaking ot the prospects ot tbe year In the budget speech of last Marcb, I e:Q)reued the opin the receIpts tor the year would Ion that pass the $00,000,000 mark; I have just given wtll show that tbat antlcl the patlon was realized, year bavlng been over $51,000,000.

The luereue, all may be readily under chief stood, was In customs.

That to lome exteut, was due to the Inctealled 1m parm.
and to some ertent, no doubt, to tbe hIgher valnes which pre1'alled.

We bave Increases In the post ot!l.ce which are very gratifying.

Of coune It Is well known that a year or two ago tbe poet omce revenUM tell oa-not a matter of regret altogether, S. Fielding) moved that the House reso11'8 becaulle we know that that famng oa was Itself Into CommIttee ot the Whole to con- caused reform sIder of the Ways and Means for rall1ng I brought about by my bon.

colleague the Postmaster General.


who II now absent, tbe Supply to be granted to H1s Majesty.

He saId: Yr. Speaker.

for se1'eral years [ wherein be establI!lhed a twG-Cent rate In !ltead of a three-cent rate, one ot' the moet In succession, on occasion!

similar to this, I bave bad the good fortune to be able to Important reforms lu tbe Post Ot!l.~ De congratulate the HOUle and the country portment, and one which I am lure the upon perlods ot great and steadily Increas- country has tully appreciated.
therefore.

our re1'enue trom lng pro!lperlty.

I looree tell otr It would not be alto am at Uberty to make a similar statement I am glad to be tooday with respect ada tor the put year.

In almolt e1'ery de- able to 88Y that we have now reached the partment at Industry In wblch tbe Cana- point wbere we shall be able to make com the dian people are engaged there was a gratl- pansonl with previous yean under tyIng actl1'lty, and trade, commerce llDd three-eent rate.
In January tut past, we manufoctures 40url!lhed..

Here and tbere.

as had turned the corner In that respect.

Up may alwaYI be expected In a country ot to th..t date, our rnenue W81, under the sucb vast extent and varied InterMU as two-cent rate not quite 10 large as It was prevail In Canada, some local condition was under the three-cent rate; but, In JILDtlU'J', untavourable.

lOme drawback may have oe- 1001. under the .two-ceot rate.

tbe revenue cnrred.
tbe revenue cnrred.

But In summing up the atrain ot the ot the Pa.t OfBce Department was ..... 289, whtle In the corretpondinl' month ot country, we are able to describe the year u to the aaain ot Can- gether a caole tor regret.

rejoice to know th..t It.

tor a time, Important lucrease, very that the by I RBVlBJID BDITJON .. , to to the Tli,' Total 1443 .,......

It I~ well COMMONS ======== - - unusual character.

These upendltures tor tlie year ended Juue SO, 1900, were as tol lowa:- $9,742,187.33.
revenue ot expenditures $1,547,623.74.

hland Railways the three-cent the ststement tbe receipts ot tbnt Im- llnllway.

and ot the trade ot the yctlr wblch has passed was $51,- ~.308.89~ 31 2.639.564 n 1,089.821 29 199,470 (l9 230,850 51 "~6~lC' Intercoloulal added, being the expenSeB of Is well connection with the South African war.

rate showIng tlJat the two-cent rate we nre re J8JlUal·Y.

UID8, under the re"enue was 4368.941, now.


under ceiving more money In the way ot revenue Intercolonial and Prince Edward tban we In tilt!

1'01>[ OWce Department tormerly received when tbe tbree-cent rate Canals................. pl'evlliled.

Under tbe head ot miscellaneous Public works.......... revenues there Is a considerable Increase.

Dominion lands the largest Item beIng In respect to railways.

Mliltla There Is au Increase ot $828,344 under that Cauadlan PacU1c Rallwa,.

........••.. head.
........••.. head.

to remember that, wblle $7,468,843 2~ \1le are Sl')8ndlng largely Increased suma To this must be added tor rallway suJ).

upon the lutercolonlal Railway In partlco- Including $340,000 paId during that lar.

we ure also havIng largely Increased sidles, receipts.
aud It m:l.Y be well In this cue year to the Crow's Nest Passltallway, $72:;,' to mllke a comparison between 1896 and 720.35, and there Is a turther Item to be tbe South 1000. lu 1896, being the year ending tbe Atrlcan contingent and the HaUtu: garr!· Rallw:l.3' 30th June, was $2,957,G40.

The revenue 80n.
The revenue 80n.

amounting These laM ;n'ar WllS $4,5~2,071,' showing an capital Rnd special expeuses ror the year rot' Now, with Increasc III the receipts ot the Intercolonial amounted Rallwn~' IIt'!ween 1896 and 1900 ot $1.~94,- these large tor the llberal 431.

My llllO.

rrlend the Minister of Rail· maintenance ot the public services, wltli ways nud Canals (~r.
BlaIr) has to come large expenditures for railways and publlc to the House trequenUy tor Increased ap- works, nnd with special expenditures In proprintiolls tor this road, and It It that when he shall do 80 we shall keep would not have been 11 watter ot lItll'prlse these tncts In mind.

nnd realize that owing Ir It had been necessary to Increase the to the gTenter development ot the lnter- public debt.
Yet, we have the grntlfylng colonlnl tbat we have provIded tOl' all these large expenditures, nnd that we 11I1\'e country gencrally, to Incl'ease tbe publlc debt.

portant plIlJllc work are now much larger been able not than they w~re betore.

Our total to The net debt (or 0:'9,004.0'2.


Our total expenditure, cbarge:lbll~ on June SO, 1899. was $2G6.273,446.GO; the to consolidated (und account, that Is our total net debt at the same date In 1900 was ex{)('ndlture tor wbllt may be descrIbed as ~265,493.800.89, showing a decrease at SiT9,' the ordilH1Q' purposes ot govel'nment, was 639.71, the, Now, that Is II.

very gratltylng statement.


$4~.Uir;,::ill.;,1. show\n,:; n surplus Oil year's 0lWrnt!ons ot no less 0. sum than'i but It Is only }losslb1e to In only $8.05';.714.~1.

was tlie larJ:est that has ..ver been known!

two years prIor to tbls.

In the history or In the history ot the Dominion ot Canada.
I the Dominion (It Canada, was the Flnunce I hnve prepl1red a statement showing the' Mlnlster able to mnke tbe statement tbat tour' there had been a reduction In the pulJllc surpluses nnd deficits the yenr 1Sil, years, and the tollowlng are the figures: tlH're was n d<,ficlt ot $519,981.44, when my In ornce was Sir In JSfJ8 then~ was a surplus ot $l.722.712.33.

Francis Blncks.

ani'!

a11'10 occurred 10 In 1899 there was a surplus ot $4,837,749.
1882, wIlen Sir Leonard Tilley was MinIs' and In 1900 tbere was the surplus that Iter ot Finance, and wben there was 0. re ha"e just mentioned ot :f.8.054.714.51.

Our ductlon In the public debt of a very con· tberetore reason' f1Ul'pluse.<: thIs reduction In the l7G.8J.

Del.

!uct $519.981.4-1, In a tbe .l1:rst yenl', which was.
however, under our Is a point now.-<leduct the deficit ot that year comparatively new countr:t" In which thl're trom the fll1rpluses ot tor puhllc works, and we flnd that there has been a net sur- Rod In wblch tbere wlll be expenditures plus tor thf" tour years as between the rev- outside ot what may be called tbe ordinary enue and the ordInary expenses ot govern- expenses (lr government, It Is only reason' So rar mf'nt or Incur ohll the expenditure gatlons which will neces81tate occasionallY flenlt with wbat we call on consolll.
!ated tund account, whIch repre- think the addition to tbe public debt !lcots tbe orrllnary expenses or government.

There lfl.

or ('ourae.

another class at upendl- should only be a .moderate one we wlll ture whlcb thmres In our account, which have no reason to complain.
III eommooly cnlled capital expenditure, In- cludlnll' Pllhllc works, aubsldlps (lnrl various special Items ot an next, Turnlnlr now to the atraln ot the current rallwsy year, which la to close on the 30th June revenue up to the ('ontrol, but we will pass that country llke Canada, which arter all some addltlon to tbe publlc debt.

that revenue but actually to reduce the pubUc debt llr.

Speaker.

: make In very prosperons times.


succeeding yeare, will always be demandll 'hardly public debt can trequently occur.

I have able to suppose that we shall slderable sum.

tor able to expect This occurred In predecessor tllUs have Ilgl/:regated $14,GUi,· tbe extent or $779,639.71, lUI already stated.

It Is not tbat Is one which It find that our This surplus.

the deficIt ~H.095.1fl4.40.

railways, tor the In ISfji 'debt.

last It It I I Mr. FIEUlTNO.

MARCH 14.


1901 1<46 ========~======= 10th March waa $84,942,111.96, an Inereaae the conespondlng date lut year ot over ,t,22'7,603·01- statement ot the state ot the debt in these tour years.

Debt ItAteul..ut for four feu•.


The customs revenue, whIch 18 always au Jtew or chief remains up ~o Importance, date substantially the same as It was a year trom this ..,0, and 1 do not expect tilDe forward we can expect any material increase In tbat In railways and post otnce and excise there has been a con· alderable Increase, and we anticipate tbat there wlU be Bome further Increase before the year closes.

Item.

that 1896·7 1897-8 189S-9 1899-1900 Increue.

Decreue.
Decreue.

$8,1U1,161 _ 2,417,802 2,317,0'1 , •.• '779,63t _ .

.. $7,176,OU n7i,8311 779,6U Total Iner.se In tour 1ean.. ,usura Averar8 1.749,0511 tor 6,568,075 Inereue tbe e1cls6?

}If.

WALLACE.

How much IncreBBe In The MINISTER Ok' FI~ANCE.

I have tour year'............ ..... ..... Averar8 Increaee tor 18 year., lii78·1896 •......••.
Therefore, deducting the decrease, we find not the figures at hand, but I will give them that In the tour years we have Increased the public debt to the extent ot '6,996,373 to the hon.

gentleman later.

to 'I'he average Increase tor the tour years Is the total end on June SO next, wUl be $52,700,000, or theretore $1,749,000 per annum, agaInst an an Increase ot $1.720,000 over the revenue average Incresae In the previous eighteen ot the previous year.

years ot $0,568,075 per annum.


revenue tor the current year, I estimate that The MINISTER OF FINANCE, Some hon.

MEMBERS.

Hear, bear.

Coming now to the expenditure account With regard to the next ftscal year, begin.

tor the current year.

The expenditure up to nlng on 1st July next, It Is too soon lor us to }f3rch 10, on ·consolldated tund, was $27" attempt to make anything like a close estl.

731,602.04, so that, It we had an Increased mate.


I have already submitted to parliament ren'nue, we have also had some 1ncrease in estJmates on account ot consolldated tund expenditure as well.

We have some supple- amounting to $44,102,828.56, and on capital melltary estimates yet to brIng down tor tb.t!

account amounting to .$0,200,500, making a current year which will.

ot course.

swell total ot $00,898,828.56, Inclndlng both capital I estimate that and cOllsolldated tund.
We have supple our exIsting appropriations.

In- mentary estimates yet to come whlcb muat wben 4lhe year's are closed, atralrs eluding tbese supplementllry appropriations, cOllslderably add to these approprlatlons, we shall find the expenditure chnrgeable to and there are special' expenditures likely to consolidated tund amounting as near as come upon us In tbe next year ot whlcb we mllY be to $46,400,000.

With an estimated must take note.


We shall bave to provide, In additIon to considerable expenditures In l'evenue of $62,750,000, and a probable ex- pendlture ot $46,400,000, the usual way on railway subsidies and so reach the COIl- elusIon that at the close ot the present year tor a very considerable sum in the tortb, we shall be able to show another surplus shape ot bounties on Iron and steel.

Hltber- to tbese bounties bave not In anyone year nmountlng to $6,350,000.
amounted to any very great sum, but hon.

l;entlemen are well a ware trom what we This, have seen 10 the public press ail well as trom Is not 90 lar~e a surplus as that ot Sir, tbe discussions In'tbls House, tbat the Iron de the past year, but I think we shall all agree and that It the accounts when closed will sbow veloped on a very large scale and as a surplus as large as that, It may be re- a consequence of that we shall be called upon to pay a very considerable sum as garded as very SIt.t1stRctory.
I.t Is dlfflcult to torm any definite to March 10, was $6,584,309.42.

We opinion as to what tM'ls will amount to.

We ~'ear, Is that have still on account ot railway subsidieil, canals.

and to be paid per the quantity tbat will be produced is ot course a mat· so forth.

and I eBtimate that, the total @x- ter concerning which we have no means pendlture chargeable to capital tor the cur- I assume, how· rent year will reacb 110,700,000. to pay next duct trom thIs our surplus and onr Alnkloll: ever, tund.
I am ot opinion that we shall ,have year at least $1,000,000 1n bounties on Iron and steel, and I shall not be surprised It to make some addition to our public debt, the sum has to be somewhat lal')l;er.

Tbere but I think It will be a very moderate one.

and wlll not exceed '1.800.000.

That Is not provide fore, we a very lar"e sum eRoeclally It we take Into for l\ very considerable expenditure tor the to revenue.

1 do not ·conslderatlon the' additions to tbe public debt coming year.
As In days J!,'one by.

Our admInistration Is tour expect tbe rate years old, and as one naturally wlsbes tr)'j ot Increase which has been so marked dur prepare a statement concerning the perloo ot I think I bave prepared 1\ we bave probably now reacbed about tbe his own government, to pay very considerable sums know the It we de- ot knowing definitely.

InJ!,' tbe palt three or rour yearll.

The capItal expenditure ot tbat we can keep on at the current I bounty.
that we shall have amount ot now beIng ton, but Industry obliged bounty shall steel be to Is I 461 H41 COMllONB IHS EXJl.ort... ttie produce of C&Dada to Great Brlta1n, 1900 .. , ..•.••• Exports, the produee of Canada to .

Great BrJta1n, 1899 E:tporta, produce of Canada Inereaee In 1900 ...•••••.. to .

Exports, produce at Canada to United Statal, 1899 .••.......••.

United State•• 1900 Increase In 19(10 Exports, Cuadlan Mllles .
to all couotrles, 1900 ...•...•......... to all countries, 1899 .••••••.•••••••.. Exports, Canadian mines '98,1i62,S75 00 86,1l4,U5 00 '11,448.321) 00 '59,866,656 00 40,426,866 00 U9,239,700 00 $24,680,266 00 18,868,1&0 00 Increase In 1900 .•..•••••• Ul,312,116 00 Increase In 1900 .

Exportl, Canadian toreats, 1900..• "1899•.• " '11,169.083 00 9,909.66~ 00 , 1,269,421 00 U9,663,668 00 %8,021,529 00 '27,516,609 00 22,952,916 00 , 4,563,594 00 Inere_ae In 1900 ,.

, 69,866,023 00 1900 ,.......


Import" entered for con.umptlon, .

Import, entered for con,umptlon, .

1899 " , $180,804,316 00 Increaa.

In 1900 .. , •..••.• , U,7tiZ,723 00 Exports ot produce of Canada, 1900 .. EJ.port, of prodUllfI or Canada, '..... 1899 • '170,6U,369 00 138,462,037 00 14-19 MARCH 14.

1901 1400 • e tbe that Hear the Im- shall give It 'which she to the benefits of to reply that such :\Ir.

CLA);'CY.

WUl friends opposite.

Some- irrespective of .


I will make an admlsalon at reply tbat It has not btld that bas Increased generally and that An hon.

MEMBER.

Bear, hear.

Th MINISTER OF FINANCE i101Ile of our .hon.

shall apply only to BritiSh goods, meaning tilDes the criticism Is that by our preteren- materials, which are grown or produced In tial tarllt We have allowed goods to come In Great Britain and undergo all tbe pro from Great Britain and have thereby In· cesees of manufacture In GN!Bt BritaIn.
1 had a polley wouill.

jured our own manufactures.

amount to a practical repeal of the prefer- entlal tarla, becBuBe Great Britain bll8 to lmport large qUBntltleti ot.

materials out ot produces her manutactured benr, says my hon.

trlend oppoalte.

But goods.

But It has been represented that the at other times the argument is.
that the pre-j preterentiAl tarla Is ended, and that goods turla has .made no dltterence In ot Belgian or German or other torelgn orl the trade with Great Britain, but that tradeIgin are brought In under It.

terent1al I want to say that If any Intormation can be furnished by ports from Great Britain have only keptIany hon.

gentleman In the Huuse or by an,.

pace with the general Increas,e ot buslnet18 gentleman outside It wUI "help DB to Investl tbroughout the world; and when we have ,!tate that matter.'
tor we have every desire contended, as we have, that the preferential I' to see that the Intentions of the preterentlal tarla has been an Instrument In Increasing tarltt In that respect are carrled out In good the Imports from Gre-at Britain, we have Ifaith.

As to whether our present regula.

tion for distinguishing between British and' met ellect at all, but the Increased trade I foreign .l;oods Is sufficient may alao be a fair wltb Great Britain bas come about by, matter ot Inquiry.
We think we have prob the pre- I ably reached a sound conclusion In that re nlerlllS altogether Ispect when we bave determined that 25 per fet'ential tarltT.

the hon.

gentieman cent of tbe value of an article being ot Brl the ~ stomp of a British manutacture and en· the preteren- tItle It I tarltt.

But while we think we bave Speaker, but If 1t wUl help my bon.

friend Iprobably reacbed a conclusIon In "ery mucll.

It Is that OIlCe.

We 1mport from tbe DUlled States a Imlttter II.


Inquiry; lnl'ge quantity or the tbJngs we require, not aod It any informatIon can be furnisbed the lead us to please the United States, but to pleue our-I which will selves.

We Import the raw materials from Intention ot tbe government with respect tile United States, which go to make tbe.

to tbe preferential taritT Is beIng evaded, It Ieltber m:\Uutactmers ot Canada prosperous.

tbrougb frllud on the part ot 1m It be the policy of our hon.
friends opposite porters or through error In our own clllcu latlon as to the proper proportion ot BrltlBll to keep out manufacturers require, tbat Is not tbe polley labour, we sball deem It to be our duty to give the matter every consideration.

1 have of tbe present government.
In this connection perhaps I may be pel" a statement bere, again takIng a period of mltted to say a word 8S to a contention tour years for convenIence, showing the ex times, and ports of the produce ot Canada tor two per which has been advanced at which bas found a suggestion this session .Iods of four yeare each, and bave cl88111100 In the form ot several queBtlons by ourIthem 80 tbat the exports ot each ciasa are give the Increase of Importa from the Untted' Ush labour or Industry Stntes during the same, period ?
Tbe MINISTER OF FINANCE.

No, Mr. Ual sound I quite admit Investigation llon.

friends opposite.

The argument hll8 shown.

The statement Is as tollows ; been used sometimes In tbe publlc press, and Statement showing Exporh the Produ<le of Oan- sometImes on the floor of this Bouse, tbat our preterentlal tarltT Is admItting a large quantIty of foreign goods-gooda which are not BrItlsb at all.

Now, that is a fair mat· Mine It was no part ot OUI' F:Isberlea tel' for Investigation.
to extend tbe benet1t8 ot the pre- For8lt ., •............... lntentloll terentlal tarltt to thele foreign nations, The AnlmaJl and tbelr pro- Intention was that goods coming from Great I ·duce lind srrl<lultural Britain and purporting to be British goods 1 dU<lta ......: ,...... should be bona fide products of Great Brl- Manutallturea ....... h MII<lellaneoua..........

I t an.
I t an.

tbat Grea.t BrItain Imports great quantities of raw materials and artIcles In the first process ot manutacture, and Improves Of flnlsbes tbem; and then sbe Is the great shippIng mart for tbose goodl tbrougbout the wide world; and It bal been suggeeted by 'iy our hon.
tbat perhaps we -ought to provide tbat the preferential taTltr 1166.198.20 The qnestlon ot tbe rate at taxation under the CD.tOOlS tarltt hlUl been freqnently 411 CUIJ8ed, and perbape a word or two concern· Four yean, 189S to 1896. , 28,178.770 4.1,el6.754 103,782,210 Four years, tU7 to 19oo.

, 68.710,587 41,184.7" U6,{66,."

and Ibortreporled .,., .... 14,469,930 -,,::c:::-= ,., .. U22,980,378 tbe raw materials wbicb our question.

put opposite ada tor rour year periods.


ave to remem er I' Cola In<lreall la.t four yearl 287,9M,114 46.131,SU faU76 204,CM3,611 32,520.913 .

SU,2U ut, 0 course, we to belleTe that '678,e6S,US 422,980,S78 regard, for t.rlends 22,740,131 oolllon Total that and one and of B h a , · f COMllONB In, It, based uPOD t!le ftguret of the put 'It we tate rear, will not be out or place.

the Imports tor home consumption anti the dnq collected, we will find that the propor.
tion ot duty tn 1896 on all Imports tor home conaumptloD W88 18~ and by the MlDe atatement tor 1900, It was 16"98, making a dJl'rerence ot 2-30 or one-eighth ot the wbole dnt;r. !If that were to be taken as a correct state tbow the whole matter, It wouM!

ment (It the dlfferenee between the operation that ot our tariff on the Importl ot' Jast year and th&t of the old taria, were It Itut In operation, 'Wonld .

have amounted to $4, 161,918.

It a week later.


But othere II a point concerning wblcb we have occasionally bad a dlscuIslon here with regard to tbe Imports of corn, and I wish to qualify the ltatement I have Just mnde In the lIi'bt of wbat bal happened with re epeet to our trade In corn.

Under the old tarll!


corn Wll8 dutiable, aDd consequently It was Important that the man ban"dllng It ,bould discriminate very carefully between the corn for home consumption, wblch paid a duty and tbat In transit for exportatlon, wblch paid no duty.

But wben corn WOlJ made free the necessity for tbat careful dl,· crimInation no longer alltted.

There heln.

; no duty.


the man who Imported the COl'O might enter It at the customs for home con· • umptlon and export It we take the quantity of corn exported anll tbu.

try to ·obtaln a fall' comparilon with the former condition of artalrs and make allowance In that war tor the portion of the corn wblC!b Increased the value of our 1m· ports.
when In realffy It was lent abroad and did not enter Into home conlumptlon making allowance for that, we shall fiDd that the a"erage rate tor last rear WU not 15·08 but 16·41, and I am content to take that 6tatement the tormer one for tbe VUf'PO.el of oomparleon.
Taking the rate 16·41 as the rate tor tbe past year .. agalOlt 18'28 In 1896, we Iball reach tbe con· e1oslon tbnt It the old tarl1'f bad remained In operation 1I0d been applied 00 t'be Importl of }ut rear, the duty levied would have been larger to the extent of $3,292.280, 10 otber worel, If the old tartl!

had been In operation 88 applloo to the Importe tor bome conlump.
tlon Jast year, It would have levied and taken from the pocketl of the people $8.292,280 taken by tbe tarUr ot tbe more than Wall pretlent government.

l118tead of I am going to uk the House to' bear with me a tew mlnntes while I present lOme ,ta· tt.Ucs wblch are Ukely to be .tedloo.. but which will hear _tudy, It wUI be remembel'ed that on .everal ~ culon, In connection with budget ,peecbea.
'erles of diagrams were pnbUlhed which ""eel to ,bow Vf!r1 grapblcall7 the growtll and progreell ot the bnalnesll of tbe country from year to year.

I bave not done tbat An attempt to make a _tate thl, ment fonowlng up tbe gro'W"th of bUllnH' ,.ear.

Mr.

FIELDING, lOme toba1'8 every year ,Inee confederation would be very tedlOlll, But I a.m qn.lte Inre that In the convenlent torm ot a budget lpeecb.
we Ibonld Uke ftgnrell wblcb would g1~e an Ide- ot the progreu canada bali made a1nee coqtederatlon to tbe present day, and It I can do tbat In a condeaeed Inlteld of g1v1.ng a way, It will be nserot.

yearly statement, I propolle to take leaps of five years and only make tbe lltatement for e~ery fltth year.

One meaaure of the growtb 01' the busl· nElllII of the country II commonl,.

eonaldere<l the circulation of Dominion note.

of all de nominations.

luttf'Me o'·er firth Deer.-~ und..r firth YO';'\r.


Oct. 31, 1870 ~·e.ar jlnonou8.

Circulation Oom;ninll no""'~.

7,450,3301 1875.",..
11,119,495 13,669,151 3,574,259 14,693,744 1890",... 3,378.611 18,072,355 1885...... ..... , .. , 18,7S0,7" 1890...... 2!,898,259 6.1320'70 1895...... 5,219,970 1900...... ~U13,229 ;t,31I,565 ·1 have given the circulation of Dominion notes generally, but t'be IImull notes of one dollar and two dollan are IIUPPOSed to be perha~s the very best lltandard by which to judge of the businesaof the country, becaulle as buslne98 Increslle& there III an Increased demand tor these Imall notes• Circulation of Small Note, {$I aud II} at the date, named.
Increue.

Oct. 31.

1175 .• , .....•.•••..•• $3.f89,sro 3,999,45% • 609,Sn ·1880....... .•.••.. .•• 1,&03.06% 1885 •••••••• ", •••••• 5,S02,514 l,802.5S5 1,906,079 1890•..•.• ,.......... 1895, •.••..•...•.•.•• 7.312,917 401,838 2,923,199 1900 .•.•••• : ••••••••• 1D.236,116 Total Clreulatlon of the Note, of the Chartered Bankl of Canada at the date, named.

InCT't'llle 1>f.cruw Notl!l ill O\'er fifth ;;e&r Cireulation.

I,revloua.

Ilnd..r fifth j'ur pre\"iou~ Oct. 31.,1870 .... " $18,642,895 1875. .
...• 1880...... 1885...... 1890 ..... , 1895.,.,.. 1900.. .•.. 26,&99,881 16,956,436 1,382,236 27,991,667 301,576,246 6,594,579 1,904,403 36,480,$49 34,671,028 ."

" .•... 11,809,621 63,198,777 18.5%1,749 Let me now give statements sbowlng de poelts'ln government Rnd post omce lavlngs banks and bankll : StatemeDt of Total B,laDcel at Cradl:.

of tho· Depollto", 10 the Gol'ertlment and POlt ames Savlnp Bankl.

Balances.

JUDe 30.
Balances.

JUDe 30.

1889-70 1 3,337,072 1114·5........ 7,ln.111 1879-10 .•... ,..... U,052,956 1884-$............ 82,97»,876 41,011,4&5 188ll·90..... J,894·5......... 44,450,498 lU9-1100......... 6S.~49,m Inc~ Ol'l'1'" fifth J"'I'" 1,","10\llI.

1 U04,109 1,881,775 n,t!6,UO 8,03I,IIt usa,au.

U99,2U 1453 ~=.==~===;======-;= the Statement of Depollt.

Cbartllred Bank!

at Statement ot the Total Trade ot Canada for tha bT the Public tbe date.

named.

yean Damed.

In MARCH H, 1901 l)~llU"il.<i.


Illcrelllle Qve" tifth ~.

"lU' 1,"""10"., TolJtl Trlllde.

lucre.ow ov"r tifth yeuf 1''''''''11115.

l)<'Crt'll.><u ull"'~r tiflh }'eu I'l,~,·i",,~.

JilDe 3(1.

1870.,., ..... , ... $ 5.,07.,180 U&9-7(1 •.• , .• U«,387,8~ m~::::::::::::: ;g~:::: $l~:~:B~ ~m::o·:::::: ~~::~g~ ~~~:~~~:~~~ $~6,556,051 1885••••.• "..... 18!Xl••• , •• ,., •••.

U95.,., •• ,."

•• , 1'(10•• ,.

", ,.,."


18,786,3U 188.-5 • •••.•• 33,601,026 1889-90 ,..... 54,056,172 1894-5 •••• ,., 94,568,.89 1899-1900 • ,., 23,718,642 198,119,8.1 20,U7,643 218,607,300 22.,420,485 5,813,095 381,517,336 151,096,751 as,030,U9 128,631,455 182,688,227 271,258,716 Tile followln" ftgures wlll show the e1:- 'r ot Canadian produce by PO: l~S Statemllnts of EIporti 01 Canadian Produce tor Ifrom the time ot cootederntlon dowl!
to rhe t('ll In the al.JSlluce or that, ar I dlngrams, these condensed stntements lVould i gl\"e us Ii hurried t'evlew ot tlJe progress I ot Canada In these val'lous dl·p:ll"tlllents III the snme way: 1 thought, Sir, fI"fe ye the years named.

preseot.

So much hns been said :lbout the Yukon.

I tilat I :lll!

sure tbat tile House wlll lie In !terested In knowing somethluji:' allollt the !recelPu and expenditures ot th:l.t district.
the II htt\'e first m~de n l"Oyaltles, because tllat Is a special Itew, :md, From the sbould be separ:'ttcd stntement 'perhnps, of general receipts: Royailles-Yukon.

1898 , •• ,., ••.•• $2SU23 55 18119 575,812 79 1900 7~O,771" Six months to Dee.

31, 1900, •• H6,lU 28 $2,'HM92 at 1)(oc",·lIoP.

,mdt'r tifth)'o>ar \>""""u~ U7,836,308 'I $2,O-W,OOO, ShOWing Hlttt In tile three awl· a lmlt !
yeat's, we .b:l\"e recel"ed In II'UY ot Il'oJ'ultles alone trom tile Yukon the Stili ot Inrger litatewent lire pared, however, whiCh Is not confined I to royalties, but will show brle:ly the reo 1,513,0'13 I celpts and expenditures ot all c1lls8es on i nccount or the Yukon territory: I have hatl tile It YUKON TERRITORY.

R~:q,:~I1l:.

ll!!r.-8.

Iil$--fl.

1"!9!HflOO.

EJlportll.

lSS,-70 .•.•..•.••.•..• .

1871'~ 1879-g0 .•••••••.•.

, •.• lSSt-5 ., ••••.•• , •••• ,.

1889-90 ..

,."


.... , .•.• 189l-5 .•..•.•• , •..•••• 1889-1900 , •• ,."."".

J 67,0.5,868 10,149,660 74,671,.52 81,158,115 87,697,268 l03,OS5,012 170,642,369 Illeteaae o'l"er previous ftfth Tear.

3,703,192 ' 3,921,192 6,~81,263 6,538,S63 15,381,U4 67,557,351 Statement ot Total Import.

tor Home tlon tor tbe ye.rs named.


COll8ump- 1869-,0 ISH-S IS,9-80 IS84·5 1889.90 189.-5 lS99-1900 .•.. J 71,231,603 119,618,657 71,782,349 1(12,710,(119 112.165,584 105,252,511 180,!CH,316 Jucl't'~e o,'er fifth >'~ar I'n-""",,· UU81,054 30,927,670 10,055,665 75,551,8Oii °rnt",;',r.

P....e Oflie« C".Wlll~.

p" blic Wo.k•.

Fi~1",.i"8..... Tflt"l 'Including IOylllty, mioel"ll' certifiClltes, minillll' ft:ea, Illud llales, tt'ntll.lll, eimb.'.
dUel, plaet'r h"rallt.~, &c, It Is but talr to state tbat tile Yukon Iwblle paying' dutles at these respe,·tl\·e ports suould be credited, I sum.

Tbese tlgures actual collections 10 tbe Yukon, all know that a very large proportlon ot tbe I t'e\'enues g'oods Imported at Vancouver or Victoria, Istated, the shlppell I bave uo doubt.
But we tbe Yukon has added very larg('\y to our In addltloo to tbe SU01S 1 bn \'e the rollo'll'loJ; As to eJqlendltures, think, with a rurther I ot entry, are arterwards represeot ouly the IYukon, and, In tbat way, to or, tor that matter, 10 the eastern cities also, table wlll gl\'e the figures: 14,j5 COIDolONS 1456 11:lj)~-1l.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -------- ----- ----- 1899-1VVO.

1~-·!I.

18$·;.

'f",,,i. : , : , _ Ii .

Iut<.

',.i<" P""t 011,,'(' CtJ~I<"ns , Puolic Wm·k., .

.

.

.

.
.

.

.

.

R"ih....}·s IIl1d C"",.ls ..., .ru~tie.·.

MOUlle.."l1 p(,Ii,.... l\JJ1iti" .. .

M",rine Totili .

.

, et;;.!

;,,998 4, 40 "' :\.

!I:~ ;1' ....... 2"1,134 ,t; ... : ........ _ ,...

,.'

.... :~,l1:;ljJ, .

, oS eb.

""3 c.;?t; "4 -21:~.-~1 :r.1 :!8 !131 &I l>.~,(jl!l 32 ~,fI52 !

),.l l:?,H411 (jf( 8;4,8:,2 i2 :ll:Ii,j(iJ 41 !l ets.
47,0'!6 r,;:, 43 :'l3 3,23~1 00 U,OOO 00 4,\191; 00 !l'3:l !17 , 4!1O,i10 OIl i !l:l,~Ii.o, n I 1.. .r..w,!l84S7II,ljH~:C;-;;- c(.,o.l $; 331,800 :?1 tl::!,3r-ll :;, 3O,J:il;l 84 LI8,~·u 0:, 24,4:" 00 2'.

!,';'3 :~i 4!

)'2,4:!1,,~ Ij:l.21.

; 21 i 1'lOO00' 1,:\OI~~I~!

;-:jG' .

, - - -_ : - "' •.

;" !

:' liOi'.4'1\ 13Ult2 :.

".1 I~;.!

;'l :,:, '-"-'1.11;;< :1, I!.\~ij(; 4:!

:~;.:?

:,t :>1 1,K'(",.L'I.-, 'IS !

;r;I.

'~(, 3, l'iIll)<H' 3,I;i!


',~".~1 ~'IJ- r~~,,,,.~ or n·c,·il't~ 0".,1' u]>,·"ditllrt, (m ooll8<Jlid",to-d lunil.

Public WU1'k, Cl\1,ibl .%!I',:l/l~ !~i :oQ!,l:'j411i' Ex""," of receipt.< ov..,· all "xl"'uditu"".

And, now, Sir, r'(!\'enues I bave referred to" Thus we J:Iud, It we tal:.e all the expendl.1 as out of a high duty.
I aw !lot prepul"etl to tur(lS clmrgenble to consolidated tund and I say that it wlll bc 110 lu this case, !Jut, Ufl' tliis extra SUUI cburgclll:llc to capital, our: doubtedly tbe teudeucy ot blgh dutlcs I):; to revenucs fl'om tile Yukon, wltllout countlug I lead, to smuggllng.

Theretore, with n Icss (be Indlrcct royalty thun we bavc beretoforc bnd we to $12S,:>08.OG over and aoove all1 8hall be able the better to collI-oct tbe reveuuc.
al1louut 1and I trust we shall not bn"e so J;rcat a expl'udltures In that district.

Xow, it was thc policy of the govcrnment.

j falling 01I In tbe revenue from tlla,t source at tht, beginning-to Ilse an e:qlfesslon which as might secm probable trom tht!

WI!\'1' fill' hus becowe CutTent-to muke tile.

Yulw!l 1nouncemeut or tbe reduct\oll of thc uut,.. pal' for ULC Yukon; nnd tbat has been car·: The House wlll be glad to be Informed as III view of tills!

to tile expenditure on thc SOUtil Africli rled out.
to the i contingents and the gSl1'iSOll at Halifax.

vcr.\" handsome J:Inanclul sta.tement cl'etIlt of tbe YUkon, and In \'lew also of the I We appropriated two mUllons for tbc wnr desire of the go\'ernwent to encournge the: In South Africa, and the proballl1lty Is tllllt devclopmeut o~ willing In tlie Yukon as a!

tllat will just nbout COVCI' our expcndlture.

penl1lllleut Imsllless, now that the tlrst rush.

The tollowlng Ilgures show the expt!lllll tor rich creeks has passed, my hon.
friend tlll'es upon the contingents: thc ll!nlstel' of thc Intcrlor bas been able i to nunouuce a vel'S Iwportant step-that Is, , tllat the mJ'!tlt~· In thc Ynkon district In-; stead or bcing 10 pel' ccnt, shun hereafter [' 1899-19<10---- be 5 per cent.

That, I havc no dOUbt, be a Vel')' Important coucesslon for tbe de- I Second velopme!lt of the country.

We do not think I General, that n reduction WIIS needed earHel" long as the dl'st dush ot the Yukon excite ment Wl\I!
Oil, III and pick up their nugJtets Rnd pay tlHl rO)'lllt~' cheerfully.

But thnt Is over.

and,: from If that bt trlct.

mlnln~ mllst be cRrrled on under het· i .. tel' conditIons than heretotore.

Everytlllnlr, Eatlmated further e:xpendlttlre ...•• that Increll-8es tbe cost ot mlnlnlt' Is a dlll- I advantR~e to the mlnE-r and to the develop- \ ment Or tbe dIstrict.

So.

my hon.
So.

my hon.

trlend the t Mlnl(lter of the Interior has concluded to 'rhus It will he seen that thc expenditui'E' nd"lse thnt tbe Over aml and we bave accepted It.

neeesSllrlly mean that tbe revenue will be ahove tbat, however, we have made pro reduced hy halt.

I am a vJsloo tor a special Itew with respect to the great be-Hever In the Idea tbat you can some- gafl'lson at Halifax.
It will be remembered tImes get as mucb money out ot n Jow duty thnt It was the desire ot Her )[ajesty's go'\'"' this reduction should be mad...

I wlll prohably be very sllghtly O\'er to be a permancnt mining dls- i Expended to Feb. 26, 1901, This dONI not amount already appropriated.

Probable total e:xpendlture ..... $2,003,715 37 Expenditure on Soutb AfrIcan Contlngenta.

total upended 1898-1900 ..•.•.


$1,429,358 60 the people were l'eady to go I 305,503 51 946,714 ~8 185,381 71 $1,437,605 82 8,24; 22 Firat eontlnlent 539,356 71 35,000 00 For my part, Lesa retunda June 30, 1900 \\;lll So, .. .

., " " $ .

.

, Mr. F'IELDING.

MARCH 14, 1901 14~8 ., - ---_._- ,.-._--- -_.

_.- tbat Canada might ernlOent to withdraw the Imperial regiment from Halifax \n order tbat they mlgbt take In tbe war, and tbe suggestion was part garrison thrown out Hflllfnx.
That was very cheerfully done.

Wbat wny be the future oC tbe arrange ment we baye yet to know and to announce to tbe House.

The following .ligures will shoW the expenditure on the Halifax gar rison: Hall!ax Garrison.

Rec:lpHulaUon-SQuth Africa Contingents and Halifax Garrison.
Tlw expenditure on tile Soutb Afl'lean war and Halifax garrison may be lIummarlzed tbu~ : Expended In 1899-1900 for Expended SQuth AfrIca contlngents and the Hal1rax garrl~on ......................•.... trom June 30, 1900, W Feb. 28, for South Africa contin gents lUId Hallfax garrison ., .. , ..
Estimated further expenditure to : June 30, 1900 , 724,068 50 120,000 00 1459 COMJ,fOXS I~GO But subsidy lor industry, are treating the witb the 1st of July next, whenever pay· ments are made In the way of bounties on Iron and steel, they sbould be paid directly from the treasury and should be shown In the public accounts In that way, Instead ot appearing In the Auditor General's Report, which is the oniy place you can conveniently find them, as a retund or duty, which is ot course entirely Incorrect.
Now, I think the House generall3' will agree with mc that this Is a wise polley.

There Is one other In 'connection with the matter.

point 11' these bounties were to be paid contlnu· to year as part ot our oualy from yen I' ordInary expenditure, we sh{luld {If course have t{l chfll'l;e them tll:alnst the revenue ot the year, they would haH!

to be charges the House Is aware against Income.


this that we tem· flS establishment ot I)OrOI'}' n great tl1at should c~lIe to exist this year in a that short 1st six years tlme---In or July next.

We propose, therero~.

to trent this pn,"Cisely as we do a railway sub sidy, find that It should appear In a state ment of the.

pubUc accounts exactly as a railway subllldy now al>pet\rs.

That will make 11 sllgbt change in some compllrlsons thllt are occasionally made.
11' we want to be absolutely eXllct In our calculatlon with respect to customs re"enue and with n:spect to surplus and deficit.

a caretul note must be tnken by those Intel·eated in such dis cussions.

and it will be admitted that it Is better thnt we should make a ehan:;e In the WlIY I propose thnn that we shoulrl go on paying large sum!!

of money, one mllllon.

two millIons.

some persons say three.

tour or five millions.

in the way that It has hith thus dlmln[shing our appar erto been pa1d.
Instead ot payIng it ent customs rrvcnue, as a direct chftr~c l1pon tllf~ country.

and we propose from the a :\11'.

WALLACE.

Will consolidated reyenue fund?

it be charged to The :\IIXISTER OF FIXANCE.

It will cbarged to consolidated revenue not be funrl.

:\1L'.

WALLACE.

-Why?

The MIXISTER OF FI~AXCE.

It wlll be treated as 0. railway SUbsIdy.


We haye treated rnJlwny subsidies, not as chargeahle to the ordinary revenue 01' the year, but to a special re"enue, nnd lIot as It It were to become nn ordinary Ilnd annual charge.
If it were a continual chllrge It would be per· fe<'tly right to charge it against the consoli· dated fund, that Is, against the ordinary ex· pendlture of the countl'}' ; but as 1t is to be a special charge, exIsting only for a short perIod aud designed as a 8ubllidy tor estab lishing a great Industry, we propose to treat It exactly as the grant ot a similar sum of money for the encouragement 01' a railway.

Mr. WALLACE.

Then we understand it will be cbarged to capital account?

Mr. FJl:LDING.
Mr. FJl:LDING.

The MIXISTER OF FINAlS"CE.

Well, the book·keepers make a fine distinction, which perhaps neither my hon.

friend nor mysclt clearly see, between capital account and railway subsidIes.

Perhaps the theory upon which that has been done Is this: That It you make a ImbUe work, even though It is only a hole In the ground, It belongs to tht' Dominion.

but a subsld1zed railway does not belong t{l the Dominion.

That is the thcory.

at all ~veuts.

We do not call technl· It.


It is chargrd to a cally, capital account.

·speclal account, but lu the sense wllich the hon.

gentleman 'has In his mind It Is cnpltnl account, Inasmuch as It is not charged In the ordinary expenditure of the year.

for one moment assume tbnt I do not propose, Mr. Speaker, to make In sa3'lng tbat I any cllangea in the tnrltr.

the do not tnrUf Is perfect.

I quite realize thnt Imper fections may be shown.


1 realize that here and there some special Interest would be pleased If we were to make some change.

there are L am not prepared to suy that lIot some cases In which there are lnequall· ties which might better be remedied.

But tIlere I\rft not many items In the tnI'lli' which cnn stand absolutely alone.

Oecaslonallr, a Inan comes to me and says: Ur.


Fielding, ( entirely agree with your policy in ha"IIl:; 11 stable tarltl': we do not want to makr changes genQl'aHy, but we want you to malie this particular change, and everybody wlll bc pertectly 8ll.tlslied.

But I \.Jove not fOlllld thflt c"cl'ybody would be satIsfied with the particular change which my particular friend !tl'ms would desire.

As a rulc.

the turld' have relation ooe to another.


and [t is not easy to mal.e any conlliderable numbrr of ('han~es without opening the door .to tl wille I think the business l·evlslon or the tariff.

men ot the country have appreC'1nted the value of some mcnsure ot stablJit3' In the I ha'fe again and again expre!lSed tarld'.

the opinion that it was better we should bear some impertectlon llnd some lneqU:lII ties than to be coniitantly engaged In the process which Is irreverently described as tarltr tinkering.
Therefore, we say, considering the tarnr bas only been In torce tor tour years, thllt we think It is not unreasonable that It sball continue for the present wIthout the changes thnt some desire to have, for some wlll nl wllys think that It might be a little better for them, nnd they are patlentJy waiting tor the day to come when there 8"hal1 be a wide.. revision than is possible tG-day and w!len possibly we may be able to do some ot the things that they desire to-day.
I think, tMt, whlle, here and the-re, some particular set of people, or some partlcuhl.r Interest, wou['1 preter the jUdgment of the country will be that it Is better to have some stnbillty about the tarltf and not make any changes at the present time.

thfi;t we would make changes, t hn"e stated that we shaH make no changes, but that Is not strictly correct, aod H6l MARCH 14.

1901 1462 =- 11' Is.

Intormatlon, Into the Dominion.


We think, I.ball quality that statement In respect to mission, under any regulations that may be one Item, wblcb \8 scarcely in the Dature or made by the CUUama Department, ot ma a change but rather In the nature of aD ex- chJnery ot every kind Imported tor the por planation of II.

feature ot the tariff adopted polIe ot equipping a beet-root sugar factory lalt year.
We have been Rsked to cOIlslder the In the questIon ot eatabllshlng tbe beet-root dustly la to be put on a ha81a ot hUllness, In at Industry In this country.

We bave If tbe Industry Is a8 promising II.

one tor ~n asked to grant bountlee to that Indus- the Dominion 88 It Is aald to be, with the the Iof Ontario, and with this valuahle conces try and we have not been able to comply bounty which 18 allowed by the legislature -.rlth tbat request.
We found that bounty system, adopted some years ago and s[on, tor It Is a valuable conceaslon, In re put In operatlon, was not aucees8t'ul, and we ap!

!Ct to the machInery, an opportu_ty will are not quite aatlslled yet tbat we would Ibe allowed tor givIng tbat buslnesa a tall' he justilled In grantIng bountles to rev:ive trial In tbe province ot OntarIo.

Sucb.

how tbat business.

In sayIng tbat It Is not my ever, Is our hope, and 1 have no doubt my "lslI to dlscredLt, [t I could, and I could not hon.
trlend the )Ilnlster ot AgrIculture (Mr, beeause my knowledge would not permit FIsher) will be able to lend tbe assistance I am told thnt one ot me to do so.

tbe ,greatest dlMculties that they have to wbo bn'!

'e represented to ua tbat tbe condl· tloos In the province ot Ontario to-day are contend wltb In thla buslnesa, In tbe thAn the conditions were In cultivation ot 8. beet ot the proper strengtb milch better tbe pro\'lnce of Quebec and that, therefore, and ot the proper QUAlity.
That is a matter they could probably make 'the Industry a comIng particularly }Vltllln the autborlty ot IUecNIS.

We t!llnk, at all events, that we tbe ·hon.

Minister ot Agriculture, and I bave bave not yet rellcbed the poInt that would no dOUbt that be wlll be /ol'lad to lend tbe justify us In reviving the bounty syatem, 88slstance ot bls eepartment In tbe way ot lectures, cIrculars whJch was tried betore and which waa a Instruction.

failure.

At made a concession to this Industry In tbe to Impro'!
'e the cultivation of tbe beet.

It WUl represented, Now, a marked characteristic ot the pres form of Cree machInery.

to us that they were hoping to secure a ent sessIon has been short speecbes and I bounty from the Ontario leg,Illlllture, and desire to have the budget apeech respond teellng.

Arter all.

the only that If, In addJtlon to that, we could grnnt them exemptlon from duty on the machln- questlon ot relll Importance In the budget llpeech,olltlllde ot the generlll Intormatlon It cry.
it wO\lld be a very valuable concession, last year, Iand literature, or In any direction that tends Inasmuch I1S machinery Is a very large Item Icontalnll and which may be InterestIng, the tbe stfltementa ot gentlemen ot bls department.

the sa.me time, we, It bas been re- enue, respondl"1<t" 'I to announce.
thing that alwaYll speech Iii Intereats people In the In the cost of a beet-root sugar tbe Questlon ot R('~['Ml<1l11g to thnt wlah-{)f couree, tarltr there 1budget are mllny who would have been ple88,1(11 changes.

and as we hflve no taMl'f ChllngCN had wc rellson why I to lhat extent-we an ltom ahould occupy the time or the House with Into the tarltr tor the purpose ot making Inn extended speech.

The tarU!
The tarU!

pollcy WEl' mncllinery tree, but It was qualllied wIth hIlve to offer lo-day Is the tarIff polley whIch the words that the machInery should be of we adOllted In 1897 and WhIch we have con a clan Ol)( made In the DomInion ot can-I tlnued.

up to the present time.

It la a ta.rltr ado, That Is the usual condition ot any ex- polley based upon ,the necessltles ot our rev emptlon ot that characte:r. revenue tarIff, whlcb Incidentally prrsentffi that qnalillcatlon.
as Ialfords a very coDsldt>rnble degree of encour r('Spects the machinery being made In CRD-Iagement to those engaged In Canadlan In the concession beocom!n~ of Idnlltrles.

lflld hRvtn~ as Its leattln/ol' pr[nclpll,l attn.

pl'('ventll nny substantial value to the promoters of Itbe principle of tbe BrlUsb preferent!al tarltr_ this Industry_ 1t Is represented.

and It seems I am afraid that on tbat qnestlon we are that a beet-root Ias wide as ever trom our bon.
frIends oppo to me to be reasonable, ~\I:;nr plnnt ls a somewhat delicate plf!ce site.

Perhaps Jt Is not eBBY tor me to de of m3cblnerr and tbat It Is Important thAt I term[ne 'how wide the dllrereoce Is between It shollld all be made.

or eon trolled, by one i liS, In view ot some of the confUctln.ll: state mllnllfncfurcr or contractor, so that he may Iments hOD.

gentlemen hRve mR~e trom tIme whole tactory.

and If he Is obIlll'ed to bllyI[f I lay thnt the ground taken by hon.

gen b!"
gen b!"

held responsible for the equIpment ot the- to tIme, but I suppose I shill!

not he wrong nnp pleee ot machInery In Canada and' an- t1emen opposIte Is, that while they are In tavour ot the prIncIple ot a British prefer otber In the tJnlted States there Is an ab- ~ence of that hRrmonlous co-operation that entlal tarllr, tbey are opposed to what they Is essentllli consideration, we have concluded to lnter- pret our Act ot 1nst year, ROO to Introduc!"
liD amendment whIch will make It clear thRt tor one year, reserving the question 8.ll to whpther circumstances will wannnt ns In the tree ad- continuing It, we wlll permit ll'1NANCE.

Hear.

hear: 1 am ~Illd to reeeive thue bear.

hearll.

because they show tbnt I have correctly de- Some bon.

MElIBERS.

Hear, hear.

Into call R one-sIded preterence.

to succeas.

Taking that The MINISTER 01<' to that general there Is no- to us that Introduced facton-.

farther.

gone but, a.

1463 COYMONS _. .


__ .. _------ ----- 146J 1 H e ;u • .

and lignin trade.

But even In tbat tbe attitude 01 They lay that Innocent scribed, as I desire to do.

It I, bon.

gentJemen opposIte.

they are opposed to 8. one-aIded preference dlftl.cult to see 'how aoy oue would oppose It, and they 8ny our preference II a one-aIded we dod that when they asked a bearing be one.

Ifore the British Prime Minister to prCllent perlal form, 80 Innocent and barmless tbat their resolution.
he atated tbat tbe tlwu WII~ not opportune to t'onslder It nnd he declined Some bon.

),(Ell.HEns.

Hear, bear.

\II~.

• to recel'fc the deputation.

And tbeLl, "IXISTER 01<- h'ISASCE T b ear, couraged ood discomforted by tlle llIuKtrIO\l~ • • • 1 am glad to have It.· Prime YlnlBter of Great BrItain, tbey went benr; Surely It n one-elded preference la bad, and to the Colonial Secretary.

They made a T"ls!t If our Q~etereuce Is a olle-s[ded one.

there to Yr. Chamberlain, wbo, 1 have no dOubt.


received them with that Ktilat courtesv and Is only oue thing' tor bon.

gentlemen to do, to and that 15 to brlug down a retiOlutioD to conslderatlon wh!ch be alwaya extetitlll lIr.

repenl the British pretereutlal tariff.

Chamberlain that hlg preterence ~1l\)ul,l lie i granted.
and their own t'f!Corda and repom ] am Ishow us-and CfI.n be quoted If neeefl8ary- that Yr. Chamberlain told them court('()usly bouud to belle'·e tbat they will do so, lLnd it h t ftrmly and emphatically tbat the thloZ 110. at course we ",·m h~ve at once the 1l!l!U~' c~nld not be entertained tor ~ moment on I"" Joined between us.

~ e can re8pc-ct thev were prepared to give up their tnrlff view althouJ;b we dUrer tram It.

But.

we protection D$:alnst Great Britllin.


Tb:tt """1 will know exactly wbl"'e we stand and we Ithe basic prindple at M.r."

Cbnmberll1ln', will k.now wbcre the1 stand.

They bavl" atD.tement., and these gentlemeD were not pre held that wc did wrong In granting a preter- t pared to give that UP.

nor would 1 bave been ence to the goods at Great Britain wltbout prepa.red to gl't'e It up It I had been In lhl:'ir demanding a preterence tor Canada In tbe Iplace markets at Great Britain_ Tb YIXIS1.
'ER OF FIKANCE • .

Sowe bon.

MEMBERS.

Bear.

bcar.

ICanadians.

They tried to perluade tbel e - .

Some han.

MEMBERS.

Bear, bear.

l Yr. MACLE.-\N.

Mr. Cbllmbf>:rlaln may , ' ba't'e to change bls mind like otbera.

our tariff.

I IIUI>SlOle, that.

like a man wbo tells The MINISTER OF nX·A1'\CE.

Again.

: The MIXISTER OF F'IN.-\XCE.

Poa· tbose comtortlng boor, boors, wblcb sbow ~ slbly.

My han.
My han.

trlend (Mr. Maclun) will that I am correctly glvln; tbe viewl at my' do me the Justice to say tbat I IUD deallu,e: ball.

trlends.

Tbey bave been plealed to I with tblngs of the put and pre8ent, ami we tf)- to persuade tbemselvel and try to per-· will not say too much ot tbe future.

bnt I suade the public tbnt the ,preterence In tbe 18I1Y that as respects the pfllt, In the yenr Ell~l1sh market, whlcb they desire, can be 1897. when we adopted that bad for the aakll1g.
Year atter year th('y· policy at a preference In the EngUah mnrket have eudea\'ourf!d to persuade themselves ot WII.S not possible.

It W8lI not possible 10 ISM: It was not posslblc In 1800: Jt waa tbat.

tbe aame atory again and a~aln until be.

not possible In 1900, wben the Prime )110 persundes blmselt that It Is true, many bon.
[Ister ot Great Britain tilfused to even re gentlemen oPPolllte have per1uaded them'l celve a deputation to talk abont It: 1t wAS selves tiley can easily obtain tbat preterence' not possible wben tbe (Ilatlngulsbed Colnnlnl [n tbe Eng-Ush market.

WC tbought tbot tbe I Secretatv told tbe deputation tbat be collld tile Artlelu l not entertatn the matter oolcRs they ,were utteranccs of the Eogllah prell!.

publlsbed In tbe great Brlrtsb journals.


tbe I prepared to abandon tbe tarltr agalnlt the leadln):; p\1bll~ wen III I Great Britain.

stAtements ot boU} political 1)f1rtleil, and mOllt of nil statements ot JOlleph Mr. KEMP.

May I ask the hoo.

gentle lIuch men ChamberlaIn, Sir Michael Hlcks-Beacb and mlln (Bon.

Mr.

Fielding) ,vhere he got 11[1 the Dukc or Dc'·ollshll·e.

made It perff'Ctly Intormatlon In reference to hIs observation denr thot that preference.

wblch bon.
wblch bon.

gentle-I that Mr. Chamberlain refused to receive the men opposite belle"ed It Wall so eOlly to Bet, deputation?

could not be obtaIned In the Engllsh mar· Tlle MI~ISTER OF FINANCE.

My bon.

ket, and that vIew we stlll hold.

Tbe only that has occurred that I can' friend (Mr. Kemp) bas ml8underatood me.

new Inchlent that Mr. Chamberla[n I recnll 8lnet' did am the ] berl".

WDS that which occurred In con.'


retused ot which neetlon with the meetlnA' ot th... dnted Chambers or Commerce In Lon- mv bon.

friend (Mr. Kemp) WAS a member.

don lAst summer.

There the question wu called on lIr.

Cbamberlaln.

Wbat 1 did say raised [n a "er, genllc nnd modest the Prime Minister.

Lord Salls' In the torm of Ii retlolutloD aeklng Ber Ma- bury.
retused to see the deputatlon whlcb Jesty's government to appoint a royal com'j only asked tbe privilege of presenting tb[s mission to InquIre Iota the queltlon at 1m- bald and not very atrong resolutlon.

last dlsCllllSOO this llubject tbe AIso- aware torm: wna tbot not to that deputatlon.

deputation 8ay see )Ir.

tbe ftl!

I Mr.

FIELDING.

MARClH 14, 1901 1466 Mr. KEMP.

There was no depntaUon to I Mr. WALLACE.

He did not represent tbe I commercial men of Ottawa very much.

:Mr. Cbamberlaln.
:Mr. Cbamberlaln.

:Mr. KE:U:P. Not this last summer.

'['b MINISTER OF FINANCE , • .

.BIlY there WIlS no deputation to Mr. Cham· appointed by the Board of Trade of berlaln ?

Tbe MINISTER OF FINANCE.

Do you I Tbe MI:SISTER OF FINANCE.

He '!Vu the cJty of Ottawa to represent tbem, and my bon.

treating tbat body with very great courtesy when Ibid be says Mr. Macfarlane did not represent I presume If he was delegated by In my band the report of the- delegate ot'.

them that he fully represented tbem.


ThIs the Ottawa Board ot' Trade.

who wall one I'eport recites the story ot' the failure of the of the deputation which called upon Mr, deputatlon to obtoln 0 hearing from Lord Chamberlain, Rnd who describes )Ir.

Cham· Sollsbury and then It goes on to say: 11('1'1810's the statement I have just maae.

reception precisely In Bne wltb Chanib~rl"ln Interview.

friend (Mr. Wallace) Is not tbem.

e, 0 • ' , - Mr. KE}IP.

A deputation delegates took part.


MOIIt ot from the' QUite a.II InteresUng .. the proceedings of the Chambt'r of Commerce dId not call On Mr .

congren Itself were certain events which hap· .

pened after IU close, and In wbl<\h some of .tbe Chamberlain.

them received a Tbe ,.

[INISTEn OF FINANCE, Well' copy ot lL printed circular cODtalnlng the letten trom the Premier and the President of the Board now, my hon.

friend (Mr. Kemp) Is a new, of Trade In whlcb tbey declared the time to he member.
and be surely does not mean to.

Inopportune for dl~cunlng the subject ot In· dlstlngulsb between a committee formally creulng and strengthening trade relations be· IIppolnted by tho Chamber of Commerce tween the dllferent portlo:u of the Empire.

'11)(1 II number of !

!

:entlemen wbo were mem., This was ::r. great dluppolotment.

and It WM.

bers of thnt hody.'

But If It was not a depu- I believe, to make amends for It, Ihat Lord Strathcona lLrranged wIth tbe tatlon of the Chamber of Commeroe, what Rt.
Hoo.

Mr. Chamberlain that he should In· IHive we to think of the Ott:\wa delegate formnlly roceh'e some of tbe Canadian dele.

who gives a fuU report of the wbole pro· gate.. ceedlng.

as a part of tlle ConJ:"rees of Chambers of Commerce In My bon.

friend (Mr. Kemp)- will see tbat London 'I they did not go formally.

They were not delegated by the Chambers or formnlly Mr. KE~IP.
Do I understand the ~Unl8- Commerce to J.!O, tiut 8. nUIIJber or the Cana· to Yr. Cbamberlaln, tel' of Finance to lIay that wblcb called upon Lord SRllsbury also call· and I thInk they did quite right to do 80. ed upon Hon.

Jos.

Chamberlain?

b M .

tbe deputatlon dlnn delegates went the proceedIngs ot'!

In order somewhat d • t at The MINISTER OF FI::o.:AKCE.

My han.

I Chamberlain stated, '[ KEMP Tb .• r. .

oes no say w at r. .

• y hon friend CUr.

Kemp) Is mlstRken again.


1 did, Tbe MINISTER OF FINANCE ?t!

• friend (Mr. Kempl not say that.

Mv bon.

trlcs to drnw a distinction between a depu- friend (Mr. Kemp) Is too hasty.

He had I trust the House will pardon taUon formallv author'zed by tbe congress' better walt.

and a number'of "entl~men who were mem: me If I have to read a somewhat lengthy ben or thnt con/:ress.

and who, I ,suppose, : extract.


Tbe report goes on to suy: the pur-: ThIll Interview took place on the 10th July, were not formally appolntl'd for pose of waiting on Mr. Cbamberlaln.

1 do· when.

besides the Colonial Secretary.

Lords not think the hon.

J:entlemap (Mr. Kemp) Selbornc.

Ampthlll and Strathcona were pr~ont.

will ask us to treat that dIstinction as serl.· Of delegatea: Mr. Kemp or Toronto.

Mr. COCk· b 16hutt Of Branttord.

Dr. Parklo.


General Twlgge dd ress.,.u to t e. and I attended, who all had an opportunity ot ous.

I have here the report a the Board ot' I preulng upon Mr. Cbamberlsln our vlewe reo president nnd members of Trade or Ottawa.

It Is or very great leDJ.

:th'l gaNllng trade relatione.

MJlil'STS.

Kemp (Ind nnd the House would not justify me t'or, Cock_butt sPoke geilerally of the a(lvantagn of dclnvln.l: them by reading very IDucb or It.
preferentlal trade, aod Dr. Parkin tried to llhow but'I think I will have to give a passage.

: the necessity of bavlng the I'ublpct properly "['hIs Is the report of Mr. Thomas ~lncfD.r- 'Invetltlgated by a commlsalon of experts.

Mr. d !

Chamberlain replied In 1\ quiet conver.a.otlonal 1 I way and endeavoured to _how tbat no prOlTeas e ane.

.

could be made until ths colonies abandoned pro· of Trade.

I tection aa against Great Britain.

tb Ott e ega e awa rom d I oar •• tb B e r t Mr. WALLACE.
Is that the Dominion I Tbe MIN~STER OF FINANCE.

llkely.

He seems qnestlon over there very well.

r to have analysed this i me to say, I Some hon.

MEMBERS.

Hear.

hear.

think I Mr. KEMP.

Will the hon.

mInister allow that I understood the Finance I Minister to state tbat the deputation which I desired to walt on Lord Sallsbury, also I wllhed.

to walt on Mr. ChamberlaIn.

That Some hon.

MEMBERS.

Hear, hear.

analyst?


146i COMMONS 1468 I the tlleb' the lloard at The MIXISTER OF FINANCE, 1 corne, I beg t1.lem to accept my op[nlon, Is what make my point very clear.

I meant, but perhaps I did not erument which we well knew they coul\l 1I0t ufrol'd to yield to us, The true polley was to ;;ive to Great Bl'itaiu this prefereuce I quite treely and openly, leavlus the Imperial go\".
agree with my han, trlend (Mr. Kemp) that m'ument and parliament to adopt that tmde the deputatIons were not necessarily the policy wblch III judgmellt was best the only point at my remarks adapted to the interests ot the En;;lJs1.l peo same, but trade pie, But, It tbls preference, whIch my llon, was, not exactly what friends opposite desire to obtain, Is ever to did; Dot wbat any parUculttr delegate did, but what 111', Chamberlain saId and did, Ill)' cannot understand how the torce and etrect assurance, willch I gIve them hi all slnccr.
at what Mr, Chamberlain sald and did 18 Hy, 1"1.Iat they will neYcr obtain It by the In tbe smallest degree touched by the cIr- methods they they have em[JIoyed-that delegation will ne\"el· obtain It by demands on the cuwstance as to whethcr went by one street or by another.

thank home gO\'el'umellt which arc obnoxious to my han.
trlend (Mr, Kemp,-who Interrupted the great mass of the English people, We to hope irom cultivating the me, because I know he was present, and I bave mncil I ventul'e thInk be did quite right ChamberlaIn, The point tbat If tlH~ time ever comes wllen we are to l'ecel\'e In all sincerity Is tbls: tbat these han, gen- tlemen who have pel'suaded themselves that that Vl'e(erence, we shall not receive It n.s this getting of a preterence In the English tile result at any hncksterlng or bugalnlnl;' market was an easy and sImple thIng, have between Englalld ami the coloDles, but us been mistaken, and they must know It now a result of the development ot' that ImperIal trom the hlghcst possible testimony, AgaIn I sentiment Which way o\'erl'lde questions of lind In the creatiou nnd and again It was suggested that Mr, Cham- political economy, Imperial sentlment a berlaln In some mysterIous way had given developmeut of factot' bas becn tile them some encouragement, but here Is thl} latest utterance of Mr, Cbamberlaln quoted Bl'ltisb preferentlal tal'llf of the Caundi:w by a gentleman who 18 known to be an en· goverumeut.
thnslastlc advocate ot that kind ot preter· entlal trade, and :Ur, Chamberlain says dis that kind ot tinctly tha t you cannot get preterentlal trade uo.less you will take down your tarltr altogetiler agaInst England, My han.

trlend trom" Toronto would not be wIll Ing to do that, and I am frank enough to say that I would not be.
wlUlng to do It eltller, :\o\\", In going to Mr, good-will of the EngJJsh peopl~, I desire to make to say, as I have sal(1 betol'e, thllt large and imlJortllllt 111', E, B, OSLER (West Toronto), I ba\'e said all :Hr.

I must congl'atulnte the t.'lnance Speaker, )llnlster amI tlie ;;ovet'Umcnt, ItS I congra tulate tlH!

country.

upon tile statement ot prOSlJerity wldcll tlie \Ion, gentleman has been enabled to show to Cannda to-dny-n lU'OSpcl'lty which we one nnll nil dcll;ht In, and w111c1l tlH"!
Cousen-at!\'e party claim to \I:!

"e had a ,'ery cOllsl<Jet'a!Jlc hand In »1'0' mating, by weaus ot the )/oll('y which they udopted 1u yeurs ;;otle !Jr, claim, bOWe\'CI', the Fl.nunce Minister nnd the gO\' erllUlellt dispute; take Issue with us on the questiou or tree I}\'otectiou vre liS a ]larty clnhn tlw,t pl'otectioll tmdc.
has mntel'lully advuuced the Interests of Canadll, We contend that without pt'O tectlou tile Interests ot Cauada would be "cry seriously iwpall'ed, lU:lttt'1' how bountifully Pro"!oence ml<:,ht bless us witlJ crops 01' how rIch OUl' mInes illlglit be, This the)' und HO Out' trade has \'er)' Tlle Flnancc Ululster, I am ;:la<J to say, llas been nble to make a "ery siJort bud~et speech, He hus quoted cowparati\'ely tew lIgures; and I do not pl'opose to object to or 10 any WilY challenge the fi:;lll'es Ite has largely in quoted, creused; our Imports, om' eXllO\'tl'i, \'(> 0111' In have ,'ellue nnd OUl' expendltnre lIlI creased.
Tbe ltovernmeut are trusteel'i for They nre not spendln,t:' thl"~e thIs country, enormous Ilums ot money, 01' :Jot hI' spendIng them, as their own, but should be llpendlll;::' them tor the benefit or the COUll the.v have hnd try, a re\'elllle amounting to $30,9RO.OOO over and ahove tllP revenue ot the preceding (0111' they hnve taken In This amount :rellrs, In thl" last four Y(>l1fl'l I'lhrouht than for us, the l::u;;lIsll market, I do !lot beliCl'e, Sit", this cOllcernino; !be past, We 110 not deny tliat It" we dill ;;el that JlI'cfel'CIH:e III it would probably be of SOUle ad\'autage to the DOllllllioll of C:wada; but we su,r that tlw Impedul authorities is u questIon for If We conld get that ratllcl' pl'eferencc, we ure as willing to assist ill .Il.\'alling oUl'sdn's ot any advuutao;e wiJlcil mlg-ilt come to Canada thl'ou;h It us UIl)' ot tiLe llon.
gentlemen 0IlPoslte, T!l~ only difference betwcen us il< 11S to the possibil Ity ot gettiu~ It nnd as to the menus of getting it, that 1t rIo not b~lIc\'e, call be outa.lned to·day.

Ilotwitllstandlllg all the telCg-T;UUS from the otller side, that WI!

are lIk{'lr to huve n chnng-e at frollt IWlUC'diately on the part ot tile ImpeL'inl ):;"o\'ernment Olt thc trnde question.
Yet I would not speak 'Ve live In times of ~ent of the future, mo"emellt8 and great cllllnges, I wlll not sny tlmt nt no tutnre time In the history of the empire, and tlie early tuture possibly, "hall tl111< prefel'euC'e hf' 1Z!\'pn.

Altnln Rnd agaln I have stated In this Honse that that Is a question wblcll we must he content to IElllve to the future, We hnve belte'l'ed that the trne policy at proterentlal trade was.
Dot to make demands on the Imperlnl gov- that (llJe renLis III I Mr, FIELDING, H69 MARCH 14, 1901 tHO tile t1Je rallwaYll.

lu tile Inst tlle'pocloela ot tlle11bolluslng ot the .1lgur~ .ut Ilaud.

The eX-I tile other band, tbey will dod Inltanee.

Tile bon.

geutlewan bon:sta of re\'euue over expenmlure money.

tour yean of the bonus, but tbe Auditor Genen.I, ItIA-i6 of the report of tbe Auditor General, That Aystem haJJ expelldlture.

become a cbannel tor the wuttog ot pubUc It bon.


memben will turn to page ~.

:t "tUlltlOU Ollt ot peGllle O\'el' and ooore '1'lIls surplus ot suould be treated lu olle ot two ways; should .0 eltber to reduce the taxel or tl) to llIu.trate IDJ" n-dUt-e the debt ot we l,.'Ountry.

Whnt Ill-!

contention.

On that page there II 80me in dication 1101 tbe }.

'iUOllce Mlulster ~I\'en UI!

terestlng correapondence reprcl1ng the lub tb.


:l.t lie hUI tre:ned tills surplus III e1tller ot, Aldy to the South Shore Railway bridge at these WO~'I?

He llol spent It with u tree' Sorel, which wu JIveD a boDue ot 16 per hllud.

He liltS uot beeu able to show u'l cent on its COllL A claim waa made upon 1lI decre.
:l.le In t1Je uet debt ot tile CUUlltrl; the government tor =,000 ae the amount but, on the contnlry, IU.& he bas Incrensed the dell[ to tile exteut ot peeling that 80metblng was wrong, objected, /tnd he apparently had very great dImculQ" $U,OOO,OOU, uotwlthlt:l.udlu:; die euormoul Ill' crea,;e ot re\'euue whlcll he h:as lind nt blie, In preventing the payment of thll $35,000_ I He tinally obtained reports trom the chief dhiposal.

111'1 engineer ot the government and lIr.


KeE'fer The cblef en o:~llsed tr:lI.

)C of tlll, couutry wltb Ureat on the COllt of tbll bridge.

Hritaili.

He W1Ui u:slied Ilow the exporhlI l:"lneer reported that It cost $j)8.000, and Mr. of tile !julted Stutes: to Ureat Brltalu Btood.

; Keeter reported tbat It COlt 1112,000.

On the compauy allege that it 110: hay IIOt 1j()I'U trOlu the Uulted :Stau~s to Gl"t,lat 81'1" cost $210,000.

or more thnn dOUble the elti.


tlie lust, mate ot mill !Show lUI nvel'age llicrea:Sl:!

Tbe fuUl' ~'enl'~ ot $1oo,ooo,\)l)() a )·car.

Xutm'ally , Auditor General then ;:oel on to Ill,V : uur il.llllul't~ tn~lll vl'eat lS\'itnlu should show I au iucrcasc; bUl tllcy IJn\"e 1I0t lucreHlwtl III '11lY ....rellter I)ropol'Uoll tile Uultcd ;;>tates from rent wltll8talldlng our boasted preference.
1 Bhould tremhle 00 aeeouot at my rupJnal tiJau the lUIllOl't1 'ot I hlllty III p....lag your upendlture If mucb ot I your couru at actiOD ""ere permeated by a llot·, .lrullar complaluoce.

The views at aD Inter.

Ieated creditor are Dot tbe malt reliable belp In Ibe Illlel1lretulon of I Btatute ullder wblcb be II I waa lold by ODe of tbe selltlemen <:,clltlcOlan hUI g!\'ell us ul to the Illcl'ellBoo ,to IX!

paid.

IIlmed, wllbout ttl,.


tbat III leeklllr hll Oplllioll, dCIKl81ta ill our !Jltll~S nnd the Illo:rense III till!

clrcul.

:l.lloll ot Dowlulull 1 I:!\'e endcavou"!lIlr to determlae Ibe "Ilue 01 tbe 'lll"ork I wu gl",lIlr myaelf !Quc!!

UIU1~"".ar)' trouble.

him crt:tlil for all '111 I>carln" 011 th, 1)l"OOOI>erity ot tile COUlItr,' T,tler:!

II a nawe to lbll kind or Idvlce, but I do , I ~1\'e blm full credit .\ppareotly tbe Auditor Generol had the d.:l.lluii.
bUI I deu;r t1J:tt tlle ;;o"enllllelllh:tl'e ju!tJ:lnll: by tilll corre II"TOC'1!

greatest dlmculty.

wntlt!

;1 ;,:00t1 use of th:lt :surplus.

.l lllnister of Flnllnce th:lt we llpondence.

wltb the Df>put;r Minister of RaJI with the Ilou.

the WU\""6 ot w:lYs :lod Canall, In preventing tbe govero liN!

fraudulently $33.000 ot a pros(K'rlt)· :Iud thut It will (.

'OlItlllllC for IOIll\!.

mE'n p:tylll~ out l!llle to come.

Wileu we h.:l.\·E' th.


:l.t brldt:"e. or IG per cent on an to t:tee" oonus Oil r:llllu;: re\·ellut!.

bowl'\'('r.

how :tte we l;"0lu;: estimated cost ot $2t:).000. wben the bridge Let me furtber to UIC't't It ~ o:ut dowli expeudltutf'.

We hn"e Illtr(>Ulleo.l drnw Attention to tile tact tbnt tbat urnI' tile sum willch thl' brldl:e Will I>oOllied by tbe Que))ee ~ol-ern· uur expcudltnre over Flllnlll'e lllnl!StE'r In tile llncliell',l:le ;:ol'crll' men't nnd the town of SOrel.
The Quebec Il:ul'ernment bnd pold ItI $10,000 80bsldy and lll(>nt Iitnl@'ll wns umpll': WI' IIn"e nllilP.lI III lllllllonll.

ot ,lollnT!<.

yet tile town of Sorel hod ohm P4ld the amollllt th:H II,.

that h"l1.

thll' g1)1'I:rnment hnd ;!l'ntlE'mlln'" "olce III 1I0t .

't would bllve tor.

pliid '12.000 more al II.

bollUI tllan tile total w.· hAn!

1Jt-E'11 "twndID.~ 11l011E'~' n·t-ely.

It Is :I "cry Imnl Wllltl'r 10 really cost only $00.000- llote6.
the 1I.."U!·es 11~ 11;11. l:h'ell l u"l'ee with all the t1;;ures widell the hall.

I PAid the J35.ooo 118liOO tor.

I:.

ot III bonus.

nnd If jlerhaps ou the rttlit ot j;entlewan bas DO tboUJ;lIt the ll'0vernment engineer.

• 1I0t oet'd gl"e It.

t.1:le lI11I')llulJ lle I rllh~i'(l a~nlll"'t G " ' " Tbe ilOll.

I tll u, for III .. L' eI • • til 1I11Iko: II" CII' COl<t of the brld~e.

ile ~011l:':: Ih(> morro...... · h II It not evident.
wben .....e bare such an «cavolll' to l''''"lrlct the <lmOUl,l or our d"LJt l' the bounty I" he 1'11111 flIl, Inlltllll('!!

before ul-:lnd judA'lng by the Au· He tC'1l11 111 tilnt II pnymcnt 011t : (fltor Gem'ral's conelpondence, It would np.

Imo he n·m not COlllldC'r nil Jill' pear thAt It Is tlot the only InltaDce-to call to our debt.

or re\·ellue.

hut will ndel It II.


baIt In tbll system of honuslng rftllwn;vr th('r(' to he no limit to thlll metllOll of con- tbe public mODey In tbe <1\lctln~ blu!llles~.

tt'8slonl ot economy null railways nnd otber public of the preaellt lrovernment wben In oPPoll- worli..

I any It Is the duty of the govern tlon.

whlcb mnny ot u" thouj:ht were /tODd ment to ('ene I:lvlne- bonusPI' for the bull.I plattorms.
Tbl'Y proPOSM to reduce upen-; Inlr of rallwll,vl or other public work.1 In the 'Whnt would be thou~bt dlturl', tbey propoal'd to eeale Mnlliing ratl· o"''''r nrm·lllCI'fJ.

WAyS nnd otber worlis which tbey thOUl:ht of a raIlway comPllny tbat would apply to tbe Illllte of New York or Minnesota or TI Ihould not now require public money.

For IInoll for a bonue towardl building a rail· many yenn before I became a member of this Bouse.

1 protested, wbenever tbe GCeIl' way.


Yet luch an application IIl.equally lion prellented Itself, against thil continued uurenonable In ollr older provinces, heause '''IIE'I'e at'e nil 1111 the Plntrol.mll honua'ng or thE' pro· I nnd sqtlftUderllljt Hi 1 - - .~~--=======,=~ COMMONS 1472 III bave.
If public workl of tbll cbaracter are needed I' whlcb went through that county, one of the this country, and whIch II pal" private enterprise will be found to build richest tbem, jUlt al private enterprlBe undertake, I alleled along a dl'tance ot forty mllel by In, anotber railway.

That bonua Will certalnl)' their construction in the United States.

my opinion, we are quite all able aa moat i uot given for the good of the country, and of lea ve It to be Inferred by bon.
gentlemen to: I build our <lWD rallwa,.. and public work.

: wbat W81 tbe sinister InlIuence brougbt to wltbout government atIslstance.

Ibear to obtain sucb a boUUI.

the American Uillon, the lIIlatea of tbe Finance Minister ever tlnued 1 cannot possibly coucelve.

It II, ot courtle, only Datural that our ex- J Tbere II another mntter In whIcb the gov pcuditure Ihould Increase 81 our trade In-' ernment have been very remlsa.

The IlIln.

creases.

but this Increa6e In expenditure I•.


Ing of acr:Ip to halt-breeds In aettlement of far outrunnIng any Increa.ae In revenue, and their claims was begun, I know, under n there Is not tile slightest attempt on tbe' Oonscnatlve regIme, but I have always en part or tbe government or any membal' of terttll~ed the <lplnJon that that was .. moat It to keep our expenditure wltbln our means.
pcrnlClous polley, and why It sbould be COD' Has the b<ln Last thought what' would b:l.ppen t<l tbls country year, from the 1st of July, 1900, to tbe 28tb ·It be sbould go on 88 he Is doing tor the I <If February, 1901, tbe go\'ernment Iuued acrlp to the bait-breeds and otbe~ to the next twenty-fin yean ~ l'-xteot of 1l99,798.
but almost ImmedIately Yes, I <In receIpt of tha.t scrip the bait-breeds sold It to the agents and broke~ wbo tollowed , tbe government agents wbo were dI trIbut· Ing that acrlp, and I bll'fe no doubt that borrowing as long as he can In the Engllah those wbo received the acrlp from tbe gov.

market ~ It seems to me be would do bet·' erument did not get on an average 40 cents tet to try and take advaDtuge of a flonrlsb· l for It, That would be tbe oualde price Ing revenue to reduce <lur caPItal debt paid.
Since that scrip bas been Iuued It and not go on losing all the benefit at the baa been taken In payment of lands by tbe [rom tbe lllt of Jnly, wcreased revenue by continuing this .lIystem I· government at par The of lavlsb expenditure, that scrip to the 28tb at February, 1001. took In 1268,000 at We have In tbls country one In.stllDce <If government Mr. OSLER.

Does he propoae going GD Tbe lII~ISTER OF !<'INAKCE.

rood WlLB built, a railway built without rovernment ald, and at par.
tbey sold tbclr bonds lit a dl~unt ot that Is the Ontario and Quebec road, run- The han.

FInance Ylnlster nlng between this City and Toronto.

Wben 00 per cent.

that In the S:1Y6 that the credit of thl" country Is t;oo<t, tbe COUDtrY, section traversed.

Will pretty barren, and yet be Is autborlzlllg and permitting the la· we were not then as well able to build rall· auc of j;o\·ernment bonds redeemable by the way.
as we are now, Bonuses to the extent gO\'enlment:lt pnr In payment for conllnuda at 11,000,000 bad been b7nnted It wben and Crown bnds generally, Rnd he bas sold Its charter tell Into tbe bands ot people con· as much :lS a mlllion dollars of tlJose bouds trolled by the Grand Truok Railway.

Tbey to Indians and halt-breE'dil nod others at retused to build the road :lod tougbt hard I.torty cents on the doll:1r.

And be hill!
And be hill!

al· to prevent It being buIlt, but private enter· ' ready retired nearly ~OO,OOO at them at par.

prise stepped In and supplied tbe money to I ~ow, either the credit at Cllllad:l. Is uot very carry through tbe undertaking, which cost, good In the Nortb-west, or the ball.

mlllh~· $5,000,000.
mlllh~· $5,000,000.

Not a cent I.n bemus WD.l asked I ter's way or settling wI til tbe halt·breeds tor trom this government or from any munl, and others who cl:l.lm 8crlp 18 not very pro clpnllty, altbougb that Is one of tbe most: fttable to this couutry.

expensive rands built In the country.

Thle I Tbe government claims all credit tor pros, 1 would llke to qUietly analyse tbe BIloW8 clearly thllt private money ls fortb· perlty.
comIng to prosecute nny publlc enterprJse 1case nnd find out what It is the government tour yeRra tor tbls wben tbe necessity Is clear.

They have made Dlauy attempts settled parts at the country should be built.

to Improve the trade Channell Of thIs coun· wIth private money.

Tbe]" have g"'en us There 18 a very Dag.1 try-so they tell us.
rant Instance of the abute of the bonuslog -so tbey s3y-a fourteen-foot channel from sY8tem In Essel[ county, The Mlnhter of ment bonused a road toor or five miles long, Railways and Canals (HOD.

Mr. Blair) says rich al any he knows tbere Is a tourteen,foot channel, runnIng through a district &II becnuse It Is marlted on a map In hie ot!lce.

In Caollda.

But tbe captains at veasels wbo go down find Tbe minister sayll In reply they mUlt be In consplrscy against I meant tbe connty ot Elgin.
him aud In league with tbe forwardIng com· Mr. COWAN.

There W&II no road bOnused to Montrcal Ihave done in tbe last In tbe county ot Easel[ laat year.

local roads In tbe older country.

that cbannel.

tbat the lakes to Montreal.

\ybere tbe govern- 1 submlt that all Mr. OSLER.

they Clnnot tell us tbat 1900.

So, A road wu bonDled by tbls government panles.

Mr. OSLER.

MAROH 14.

1901 1474:· tarltr The 1U~JSTER OF RAILWAYS AND ada.

We were buUdlnr up a nry large CAXALS (Hon.

lIr.

Blair).
lIr.

Blair).

WllI tbe bOD.

export trade between Canada and Germany putiemllD (lir.

Oaler) give the names ot the before this preferential IntO' ell:ect.

That trade II largely Increasing 10 captainS to whom be retera.

The American tarmera the United States.

lIr.

OSLER.

The bon.

minister a818 that, are now ablpplng large quanUtlei ot wheat the ebttnnei must be tl;1ere,.
but the captafu Iand ot1ler graIo to German,.. Now, when eannot fiud I t - Ithe Amerlcan farmer ships his gra1n to Ger The lIIXISTER OF RAlLWAYS AND many In competition with tbe Canadian tar- tl.oda that he tbe Canadian farmer I must pa)' higher duties than biB competitor.

the bOD., Here are the t1.guree sbowing bow mucb minister blmselt said the otber night.

Be more the Canadian bu to pay on varloua aald tbat aome captains complnlned, but I k.lnd.
oC graIn than tbe American : wey must bave a. spite against him, or Wbeat were In leo.gue with tlle Corwnrdlng com· panles.

:iame your eaptaJn.

refer to wbat ltr.

OSLER.

X :\LS came CA.. mer, I .

'.1% Clllll ptr blUlhel.

"11 Rye .. _ 4'19 Gall BuleT •.............. 1·11 COrn 3:21 •••• II 45 Buck_beat •••• " " TlJe :\UXISTER 01" RAILWAYS .AND CAXALS.

1 do not tllink I said that.

l:A:\ALS.

:\JI'.

OISLER.

1 do Dot tbink you are.

Tile 111:-JlSl'ER or" RAILWAYS ,\.XD 1 do not see that It the bon.
minister wlll refer to bie own atatement, I think he will liud tilat I nm quite right.

Now, tbat Is a very nice little bonu8 Cor tile Canadian Carmen to receive as one or tile consequences of the preferential tarla:.

Yet, they are paying lower prices for anything they buy.

Are tbey buying their clothes, tilelr ngrlcultnral tmple- .Ur.

OSLER 1 thlu];: 60.
OSLER 1 thlu];: 60.

Now tbe ilar'I' ments, their tea or otber groceries, at lower OOUl' uf ),Ioutreal bas not been very mucb llgures tban the, did four or five yenra ago '!

they are paying more for what Impro\·OO.

We bal'e uot had the tralJ~pol'hltJon uor bave we had the they buy.

The benellt they get from Liberal ert!

:liSoo \'olume ot trade going through the rule III that tbey have to pay more tor whit they buy, while that which they have to l:ll.ll:l.dlau channels that we were promise<!.
We Ltn\'e not bad eheaper navigation nor In theory, prereren sell they get leu tor.

transportatlou lrom this country tlal trade 19 Yery nlee; It lOOks and sdunds che:lper very patrlo"tJc; but tn practlce It works out th<lll we had before.

cbeap As a rule, Ill' .

'\0\\", there Is one thing that tbe FInance very badIr lor the unfortunate tarmer.
to be sent italian goods, tiley bave done, Let us go one more, and make It lllllister claimed credit lor on behalf oC the Tbere 18 one qUeltion tbat, perhaps abo~e ~o\'erument, and I tblnk.

It II the only thing 1all otbers fa Intereltlng to Ull, aDd ougbt to tbut though wbether they be 80, because It Is ol vital Importance to lor It Is another mltuer'l tbe people ol Canada-the quetltlon bow to should ltlI];: credit There Is get our produce to the port on thle continent tAritr.
I reler to the prelerential roow lor dJtI'erence ot opinion u to whether whence It III to England, Ger tli~ prelerentlal writ!'

Ie a wlee.

thtng or an I many or elsewhere.

The government bave Let U8 see bow It works out.

1done thelr beSt-and Il tbey.

hftd gone about ul1~'18e tblng.

The government tint gave a 26.ptr cent pre-lit they could not have done better tban they They were so pleased wltb that dId by bemusing the Grand Trunk, rebnlld ference.
they log their bridge, belplng them to double tbat, having nothIng else to suggest, 811id: track thelr line and put on tast trains-they 33!

PCI' cent.

So, they bave given the pre- have deliberately Bet to work to divert trade f('rence 4t that rate, whlcb admits German, Crom Canadian ports to toreign and rival Bel~lnn 01' cheap Iaboul' competing with our Cltnadlau M CO'VAN.

How about the Canadlnu labour, tbe only cou<lltion being tbat It lIball p c~fic Rall~ay' .
he sent to BritaIn und 2:i per cent of Brl.

Ush Inbour added to It.

I am not talking about In· Tben tbe whole llluount.

ot which i Ie made by foreIgn cheap dh'lduaJ corporatione.

hut about the .

;overll· lnhour, eomea Into this country .under a pre- ment and wbat Ulfl7 bave done.

Indl~ldual ference ot 83* per cent.

In reality theretore, corporations wlll go where they can J;et the Ibis preterence work8 out to give the Oer· best.
But If tbe government CaD torce tbem man nod other cheap continental manu- to take trade througb Canadian cbannelll, fncturera II.

much greater advantage than II 10 much the more do the governmeut do their dnty and so moch tbe more does can· 1;1 ~en to tbe manufacturers or Oreat Bn- t:lln.

But, let UI S~ how It works out the ada benellt tbe government have othf'r wa, about.

One result ot gfTin~ thll been, lor years put, spendIng money on the Inland waterB.
preference to Great BritaIn Is They lU'e proposing to en that Ger· large Port Colborne barboor.

with a po88lbte manT at once dlecrlmlnates a~alnlt Canada.

Let UI lee what etreet this baa Indlreetl7.

erpendltnre of tour or llTe mllllonll.

They and eTen directly, upon the tarmera or CaD· are lIpendlng large lums of monq on 1I1d· a .Ur.

OSLER.

the produce of porta.

Now, '7 141~ COMMONS 1476 land harbour, Colllngwood barbour, Depot t Mr. HYMA::\'.

WIll the hon.
WIll the hon.

gentleman be harbour, and aU tbe cbannels through which kind enough to explaIn his position, and tell graln comes trom our gre3t :'iorth-west.

I us his Ideas wItb regard to a summer port?

They Bre trying to get the St. Lawrence I Is let first I 1101)(.'

three or tour years.

I contend that spend enormous The government Let us tace Houae.

tellow-mlnlsters, or It practice economy.

the best port.

Now, the government government have It to Inaugurate a rule ot extravagance.
canals deepened, they are trying to cheapen I Mr. OSLER.

Now.

Yr. Speaker, I do 1I0t transportatlon to the sea but they have not propose, all I said In the beginning, to enter yet apparently made up'thell' minds aH to Into a criticism ot the figures wItb which whether the·tuture seaport at thla country the Minister ot Finance baa presented tl1e la to be Quebee or Montreal.

tbln.k, as a rule, bls figures nre that question squarely.
Personally, and I nil right; but I join Issue with him upon think I lUSy speak tor all the members Oll the causes whIch have enabled him to pre I do not sent so favourable a statement.

tbls side or the Bouse, It Montreal or Que.


think he Is entitled to congratulate hlmselt bee can be made through Canadian ports tram which we can Bend all our produce, and hla to take any tor the prosperity with whlcb this any expendIture the government may ask credit tor that purpose will be ungrudgingly given country bas been tavoured during the past and endorSed by members on this side ot tlle entirely mlaused the House.

But that they have taken advantage ot lind out which port It Is to be.

The hon.
The hon.

prosperIty, member tor Quebec West (Hon.

!-fr.

Dobell) In lIays that Quebec Is the best port, others no single Instance have tbe~' attempted to sa;r Montresl They do not seem to Montreal Is to be the port ot this ~ountry, have made up their minds as to wbat they sums ot should do Wltll then we must thllt th(>lr surplus.

It allotller ;resr at prosperity should tollow, money upon It and upon the approaches.
It 16 Imposslhle that Montreal can success- such as we are now enjoying, and It the tully compete with tbe American ports un-' l\llnlster oC Finance la able to congratulate leas you hRve au abaolutely sate channel, hlmselt upon an enormous Increase ot rev a chaonel well lighted, so that an Insurance enue, he wlll also be able to say that he has It sate enough to reduced the burden ot taxation upon tbe peo company will consider justlty them In Insuring II.
vessel passing pie at this country, that .be will point out through the St, Lnwrence at the same price that while our revenue Increases, It Is the tbey WOUln Insure 0.

"esAel coming to duty ot the govcrnment In charge to llghten III Portland or other port8 the people, either by reduc must tace that question: But Instead ot dO-!

Ing taxation on the necessaries ot Ute, or lll/{ UIllt.

tilt'S l\rl' f!pelldl1J.~ little sums here I by reducing the pubUc debt.

and there.
and there.

gate, in eularglng a lock or buildIng a dock, which wlll 10 no wise contribute to the pro- i motion ot sclleme ot making I Montreal a great port, If the government I have such a scheme In "lew.

:\11".

It may be tound that Montreal cannot be made the I Speaker, we rarely witness the spectllcle we ~:ab~fl;a::C~:StIwt~~~~~~I~=v:bl~~~n~i :;~:h~~~~ ~~:l~tO~~eh~~~~~:~~~.t~I:II~ g:~~t~~ as a layman, but I am beginning to enter-I dUl'lllg tile sessIon, the one In which tllt!
taln a IItronlt teellng that we shall have to; 11UbUc wlll tllke more 'lntel'est probD.bl~· than lind thllt Ql1ebec will be the 11I1I otbers.

When the hOIl.

ot go to Quebec.

port of Canada tor all tlmc to come.

1"luBnce (Hon.

~Ir.

li'ieldlng) bnd dellvercd The :\IlNISTER OF RAILWAYS AND Ifllr liS the expectations ot tlle people werc his budget speech, when he hud settled fl,O House resuwcd at eight o'clock.

:MI'.

JA3IES CLAXCY (Bothwell.l.


though large 8ums In the aggre-I' At 81::c o'cloc1;;, House took recess.

~[r. OSLER.

Now.

let us ftnd out which, and let i ces ot thla money bere I nnd when till hon.

gentlemQII all flway, concerned any qUCfltlon that may have nrls~n .

III regard to the tarll!, when he had g-cner· It It Is to be one Or!

ally entered upon a discussion ot tllc tiu:\u· the country during tile past year, these ports.
this side ns not go on spending all Instead ot ot the House had rtsen III his place and I'e and there, using It for tile purpose ot building up al piled to him, we tound.

tor the drst time In national port.

We are wa8tlng money on t1le parl1amCllt ot CnuQdll, I will venture to llttle loclli railways that will benefit no one \lilY during the whole history ot t1Je plil'lln thosc wbo receh"e the bonus, while Iment ot CD.uadll.

hOll.
hOll.

gentieUlf'll P\lt on that except IIJ·C'Onccaled disdain and re at gent Idea ot what la going to be our national I tused to make reply to the hon.

ltentlemnll port.

So tal', tbe result ot tbe action ot the' who answered tbe speech ot the hOIl.

~Iln­ go"ernment bas been to divert trade trom later of Finance.

What have we now?

our Canadian pom.

and to build up Amen- 'rhe Bouse Is barely graced with the pl'e· lIence at the rhrbt hon.

Pdme MllIIst~r (Rt.
Pdme MllIIst~r (Rt.

can ports: tbe 888ertlon, Mr. Speaker, that the government have mated'i Hon.

Sir WlIrrld Laurier).

There is not .

nnotber mInister ot thc Crown In his pillce.

ally contributed to that end.

the same time that we have no Intelll· splendid, but CAl"ALS.

One ot them.

After Recess, the burden ot trltterlng It the great I make lIIinistel' • Mr. OSLER.