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Bill I, 122 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.

The Hon, Peer Bacchus, (We11t,11rn Berbice, 1939.

Friday, 4th Octobei·, The Hon.

H. C. Humphrys, K;C. (Eastern Demerara).

met' at 10.30 a.m., His The Council Excellency SIR JOHN 'liVADDINGTON, ICC.

M .G., 0.B.E., dent, in t.he Chitir.

the Acting Governor, Presi­ The Hon.

A. G. King, (Demerara ' River).

The Hon.

J. W. Jackson (Nominated Unofficial Member).


PRESENT.

The Hon.

the Colonial Secretal'y, Mr. Unofficial Member).

The Hon.

T. Lee (Essequebo River).

The Hon.

G. H. Smellie, (Nominated G.D. Owen, C.1\'l.G.

The Hon.

F. H. Martin-Sperry, Membe1·).

nated Unofficial (Nomi­ The Hon.

the .Attorne'.

'-Genernl, Mr. ·· E.0.

Pretheroe, M.C.

J The Hon.

J. S. Dash, Director of MINUTES.

Agriculture.

The Hon.

E. A. Luckhoo, O.B.E.

(Eastern Berbice.).


The minutes of the ,meeting of the 1939, Council held on the 3rd of October, as printed and circulated, were confirmed.

The Hon.

E.G.

\Voolfonl, ICC.

(Ne,v �msterdiim).

'fhe Hon.

E. F. McDavid, M.B.E., ORDER OF THE DAY.

Colonial Treasurer.

The Hon.

l\!J.

B. G. Austin, Unotticia,l Member).

(Nominated 0.B.E.

The Hon.

W. A.

D'Andrade, Comptroller of Customs.

The Hon.

N. lVI.

Maclennan, Director of Medical Senices.


GEORGETOWN SEWERAGE AND WATBR (A�fENDMENT) BrLL.

THE COLONIAL SECRETARY (Mr. Owen): I move that "A Bill intitult!d Ordinance Sewerage 96, with respect the Commissioners first time.

to amend the Georgetown Chapte1· of to the Constitution be read a thereunder" and Water 0l'dinance, An The Hon.

J. I.

De Aguiar (Centra) Demerara).

Professor ture) seconded.

DASH (Director of Agricul- The Hon.

E. M. ,valcott, (Nominated Unofficial Memher).


Question put, and agreed to.

The Hon.

G. 0.

Case, Director of Public Bill read the first time.

Works and Sea Defences.

The Hon.

L. G. Cre,tse, Director of Education.

The Hon.

B. R. \Vood, Conservator of THE COLONIAL SECRETARY: I give notice that at the next or a subse­ quent meeting that the Dill be read a second time.

of the Council I shall move Forests.

The Hon.

\V.

A. l\Iacuie, Commissioner of Labour and Local Government (Acting).
G.Hll!Ll1'G (AMENDM.EN't) PREVEN'I'ION BILL.

The Hon.

Percy C. Wig',t, Centrnl).

(Georgetown O.B.E.

The Hon.

J. Elemmr (Berbic:e River).

The Hon.

J. Gonsalves, 0.8.E.

(George­ town South), Ttrn COLONIAL SECRETARY: I move that "A Bill intituled to amend the Gambling nance, Chapter 95, by exempting lotteries tion of the provisions and sweepstakes An Ordinance Ordi­ Prevention from the opera­ certain thereof " be read a 1,123 Gam.

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Rill 4 OCTOBER, 1939.


-Second Reading 1,12-t they wished.

I wish to say before the debate takes place on the Bill, that by Govern­ although ment, hon.

Official members mav vote as they wish in the matter.

the Bill is intrnduced last to vest in both in this which was passed by the Legis­ ·11econd time.
This Bill gives effect to a resolution in December Council lative the Demerara Turf Club, Ltd. the exclu­ sive right to organise lotterie11 in connec­ tion wit,h horse-racing Colony and in England.

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of the which are Bill prescribes to be exempted Ordinance.

and conditions the Club Provision accounts any lottery 1my time by the Colonial those lotteries from the provisions of the the terms that must be obse1·ved in the conduct of any lottery.

is m,ioe for the books and witb at Treasurer.


of the Club in connection to be open for.

in�pection Clause 3 sets out bv money.

m,ike sufficient one and ha!!

Mr. ELEAZAR: The fact that the hon.


that hail just mentioned me and, I think, I shall let it go I know of my own knowledge races The men who I never like the· idea to hold Those who want to carry should do so ,it their They are racing their horses for love of the sport but Colonial Secretary the measure is only a temporary will come up a.gain for consideration disarmed through.

However, of a club being giveu the mouopoly sweepstakes.

011 horse-racing own expense.


not as sportsmeu for the purpose of makiug mouey.

They would not think of racing their horses at all if they did not That was not the idea of the people of old who raced horses.

In the days of Governor Durban and those following him were held by sportsmen.

kept and raceu horses in those days won 11nd lost at times, but did so out of theit· pockets.
that a very popular racecourse Colony was abandoned because no oue wantyd to enter horses unless he was sure that his horses would win.

They wanted to enter tl1eir on credit and if thev did not win they would not pay th� entrance fees.

LfLter races held else"'here.

prize money, and instead ho1·ses for the loc:11 for the other races with the view of earn­ with the result th,tt the ing hrger sbtkes, died.
\Yith due local conce.rn 11>tturnllv deference to some of them, what class of indi vidmils comprise this Club?

The of those people majority fo1· the purpose of making money and not for the sake of the sport.

That being the case they should do it out of their own pockets, but in some '"ay or other they to make this law have got Governme11t that 011ly they-the Turf Club.

people­ should carry on sweepst.


:Lkes were giving larger of entering thei1· races kept them back on they found that are only racing in this Colony.

ho1·ses in this 6 sets Sub-clause ot·gauisation Committee, by the Governor from any lottery or sweepstakes 5 of the Bill) in Coun - It is propo8eu thiii; 10 per cent.
of the or sweep­ by the Club shall be paid to be called the and that Commit­ of three persons (as set gross receipts fitake organised over to a Committee Charities' tee shall consist out in clause 3, sub-clall8e to be appointed cil, who shall decide what charitable organisations are to benefit from the and of lotteries proceeds fix the percen tnge of that t1muunt to be paid to each charity.

·out that auy clmritable which cl11,ims to be entitled under the provisions benefit shall make application Committee.
d�fined in sub-clause orgauisation .ve,ns ha, received proceeds of an?

lottel'y in this Coluny.

Government is of the opinion tlmt tl;is Bill should be tried out for a per'.ocl therefore, the Bill for the Ordinance until the 30th June, 1941. date the whole as to whethe1· extended move that the Bill be read tl· second time.
organisation 7 as any charitable will be 1·eviewed should be of the Clause to the Charities' to be in force Prior to that of two years and provision, has been made in clause 4 of which during the past three or sweepstake A charitable the Ordinance any money from the for a f�rther period or not.

I question to receive held is l'rofessor DASH seconded.

Here you ru11·e education going a-beg- do not wislt it THE PH.EST OENT : 1 to be thought that, this is a Government .measure, as the hon.

Colonit1!
Colonit1!

has said thi� Bill has been introduced the result of a resolution At the debate on that resolution OJii.cial Secretary as member$ were allo.wed to .vote.

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ging, but w, swePp�take is �o be run iu in the its ,tid; also thel'e Colony aud 110 sweepstake can be run for that.

There are it thousaud and one other thiugs for whid1 sweepst11kes can be profitably .

run and the proceeds but they 11,1·e .of this.

Council.

is no orphanage left out.

A fow people with the utilised, i,i :a!5 Gam.


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-Uom1nittt:e i, 126 The Council resolved mittee and proceeded clause by clause.

itself into Com­ to consider the Bill Clause 3-Exemption of lotteries Demerarn Turf Club from provisions the Ordinance.

of of to run sweepstakes.


to their request in au unguarded propeusitie8 havr got Govern­ moment gambling ment, however, to ,Lccede and allow them and thew only They are not even conLented with that, but want to get a share of everything is going around.

is giving credence Club to 1uo11opolize stakes :tnd to sh.Lre everybody yearn, however, see.

else that Thttt is what this Bill to-the Demerarn Turf the running of sweep­ the proceeds with else.
The Bill is only for two aud so we will wait and Mr. ELEAZAll: I :tm asking Govern-·.

of .

to 15 instead I may state for the is concerned, is still being given from, it comes within or not-sh'ould M.r.

KING: So far as the percentage is large enough.

I that the percentage Mr .

.MARTIN-SPERRY: There is oulv I would like to put for� 011e suggestion "·ard.

I do uot think tlrnt the percentage to be given to charity would like to suggest -I do not know whether the scope of the Council be larger.
ment to make the percentage teu, and the hon.

member for Demerara River (Mr. King) to consent -to· it and support Government in the change.

I move that, because I happen to know that when the Cinema was first permitted hold Suuday shows the bait had been held out th,1t charity would be given so much per cent.

Sunday shows were allowed,· but the share received by charity went right down to zero though the shows are still being continued.
I do not know if charity anything those shows, but that was only a sop to get Government to allow such shows.

In charity this case 10 per cent.

is to be given to benefit of hon.

members that the amount charity, to was ,Lrrived agreed because Committee 'rhey, however, representing if they can get it.

I. am askiug Govern­ table orgtLDisations ment to make it 15 per cent.
instead arrived 10. as one they considered should from the returns of the sweepstakes compensation for the loss which those organisations would sustain as the result of not being able to run sweepstakes their owu as hitherto.

hon.

Nominated Speny, that the figure mentioned arrived sultation organisations centage Mr. ELEAZAR: I move as an amend­ ment that the word "ten" in the fourth liue of subclause "fifteen" at between of the Turf Club and those the more responsible chari­ THE CHAIRMAN: Would the hon.
his amendment?

and that the various were satisfied I can assu1·e Member, Mr. Martin­ at after a certain amount at the figure mentioned in the Bill they could get no more; .Mr.

LEE seconded.

member state exactly iu this Colony.

They substituted was of con­ will not 1·efuse 15 per cent.

charitable the members of the 4 be deleted therefor.

be granted allotted with the per­ and the word on the to them.

of in to .

which those organisations .


Mr. KING: I am sorry I have to 'rHE COLONIAL SECRETARY : I would like to refer the hon.

member for Berbice River (Mr. Eleazar) to clause 2 of the Bill, as he had referred to the neces­ sity for raising purposes.
Nothing in this Ordinance He will there see it stated :- contained shall mo�ey for educational of the Governor by a committee apply to (a) any lottery permission controlled citizens the bllilding .... School; for the purposes of three responsible funds for or repair of any Church or of raising organised with the in Council and charity.

I appeal to the River to bear in oppose this amendment.

hon.

member for Berbice mind that that figure was gone into very carefully both by the Executive of.
the Turf Club and those 1·epresenting I can assure the hon.

member that those insisted representatives percentage that could possibly from the lotteries It must be home in i:nind that at least 50 per cent.

of the proceeds 10 per cent.

is allotted payriitmt of commission sell .the tickets, printing ch11,1·ity .of circulars-10 per cent.

goes to aud 10 per cent.

to the ownsrs of to the people who and the .

advertisement on every po11sible .

be obtained and sweepstakes.


goes in prizes, to expe1i�es--"-the Question put, and agreed to.

Bill read the second time, 1,127 Gmn.

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Bill 4 OCTOBER, 1939.

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Grant to B. H. S. l, 128 of horse­ horses on a, pro rata basis as is done in for the encouragement 'l'rinidad racing.

When all these percentages are taken out the amount left to tlie Turf Club is not very large, and to increase to charitv from the amount 10 to lf> so affect the per cent.
may prob;bly funds left for the Turf Club as tu endanger the whole Bill.

The matter was riot gone into light-heartedly, but .

was thoroughly charity from it� own sweepstakes, time became exceedingly to ruu diflicult on account of the enormous number of them.

I can assure the hon.

member that repre­ the various sented are perfectly percentage granted they cannot honestly to the hon.

member not to press his amendment.


It was agreed that would get more than it used to get which after a them, and feel that ask for more.

I appeal nisations charitable orga discussed, satisfied with the Mr. MARTIN-SPERB.Y: in order to reduce the sellers' increase commiission the amount to charity.

We ca11 'l'u,� CHAIRMAN: We h:1rn to vote on the amendment as it sLmids.
Amendment put, and the Council divided, the voting being- Por-Messrs. Lee, Jackeion, M acnie, ,v ood, Crease, Peet· Bac­ chus, Eleazar, Case, Dr. Maclennan, .A:ustin, Woolford, Dash-14.

Messrs. Luck1100, U'Audrade, Professor lNCRB.-.SED GRANT TO BISHOP HlGH SCHOOi, FOlt GIRLS.

: Mr. Cl::tEASE (Director of Education) T beg to move:- to the Acting That with reference No.
22 of the 30th August, approves Message Council per annum being paid to the Board of Governor8 of the Bishop's 1st January, of an increased for Girls as from High School Governor's 1939, this grant of $4,000 1939.

Before I formally move this motiou, I would exists.

those present in Ja11uary, from the Board of High School thought ouL in December, by the Educa­ 1939.

At were in agree­ but it was of the Bishop's iH not 1, rec.
;ently there are one or two observations like to make in order to clear up s0°me misapprehension, which at present In the first place 1 would point out that this application Governors for Gi!

'ls thing.

It was first made 1938, and was cousidered tion Committee that meeting ment with the application, thought necessary decision with respect the echool.

Governors information.

sidered tee.


The Educ,Ltiou mously recommende<l consideration of the grant of $1,500 then paid to the Bishop's annum with effect as from the 1st 1939. again by the Education Committee for the favourable to secure further information of position to the fina11cial of the Board Consequently and con­ Commit­ unani­ High School to $4,000 pe1· were asked to submit this before giving It was produced of Government an increase January, a final Smel­ a. Govern­ carried.
Amendment Percy C. \Vight, Secretary-9.

Mr. De Aguiar did 11ot rnle.

the Attorney-General, has been discussed on many of establishing School for Gil'ls in lie, King, Humphrys, '\-Valcott, IYlcDavicl, the Colonial since I have been in this Colony, Government to undertake has not the estab­ of such a school.
It is on that frow The question ment Secondary Again,t-Messrs. Martin-Sperry, Georgetown occasions and unfortunately been in a position lishment gl'Ound chiefly that of the Bishop's the Board of Governors High School for Girls has been supported by Government, situation for Government lishing The question the Council, choice between two alternatives-either to increase in Your which case, as was pointed out Excellency's Message, Governors TsE COLONIAL SECRETARY: I give notice that at the next or a subse­ I shall move quent meeting that the Bill be read a third time and passed.
now before hon.

members of therefore, the Board of will be unable to ca.rry on stand part of the Bill" put, and agreed to.

such a school in the near future.

I fail to see how it is possible " That clause 3 as amended the grant, or to refuse it in and with the present the application to look forward of the Council The Council resumed.

Question appears to estab­ to be the I, 1 29 .lfotio,i LEGISLATIVE CouNCIL.

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Gr(11T1,t to B. H. S. 1,130 person to the Graduate who are in the majority is concerned, it would of a the Hea.dmistress be impossible to secure the services and experienced highly qualified under a ialary of £600 per annum, and Assistant with regat·d of l\1 is tresses cases well qualified I do not see how one can expect any Government School to pay them a salary less than £400 per annum.
For compal'ison out that tl1e total personal Queeu's College-a Bishop's favourably view-inlit ruction, efuciency "·orking, Ryllahus, examiuatio11, the British Guiaua Scholarship-amount to $37,780 for both schools the Lon<lon High Certificate which is the ·examination High School fol' Girls can be compared from every point of for school with which the I would point emoluments and general follow the same per annum.
for There ha8 also been a considerable in the newspapel's the average genel'a.lly for Boys and Girls that the fees at the Bishop's amount of discussion aud elsewhere in regard to the fees.

At Queen's College fees amount to $13.50 per term, at the Berbice High Schools $9 per tel'm, and at the Bishop's High School for Girlt!

$16.75 per term.

Jt ,Tould appear t.hat if the suggestion were n.dopted naturally High �chool should be raised, the fee� at the other institutions would also have to be raised.
With regard to the question Government at 1937 figure for Queen's per pupil, and for 1938 the latest available figure, it is $121.75.

say, is a little higher the Government supported regard to secondary schools by Government.

Schools the cost per caput to Govern­ ment is $40.01, High and at the BiMhop's School for Girls at present the cost to Government the grant be increased work out at $30.30 per caput.

That figure, I may than the figure which is $11.31 per caput.
Should of the cost per ca.put to At the Berbice High in England has to pay in to $4,000 it would these institutions, the is $116.05 College have to be closed dowu.

To asked for is an economy.

By grnuting the Governmeut will be spared the u.

Government the school and as a consequence it will naturally my mind the increase definitel.v application expense of establishing Seconda1·y ] focl quite sure th,1t no hon.

mewber of would like to tiee the this Council Bishop's High School go out of existence.
Go,·­ emmeut, on its part is not in ,1 position to �upplant lishment of a Government 8econclan School for Girk tliis iutititutio11 by the estab­ School for Girls in Georgetown.

I have gone very cu.refull_,· into the ques­ of such a school :rnrl 1 l1ave t:owe to the tion of the establish□1cnt bv Gonirtnnent, c�nc lusiou that to do so 011 modern lines it will cost Government an amouut iu the vicinity This is for the erec­ of $30,000.

tion of school buildings alone.


In additiou question the question st,affing I estimate $6,000 per annum above Lhe actual s11laries at present paid at.

the Bishop's School.

of wu.intenauce of stalling.

aud, of course, \Vith regard to it will cost this Governrueut to this there is the 1md equipment if ever such a school is established, High (Gradua.tes), f figures Relative The salaries of the staff, I £125 per annum.
those Mis­ who have no homes in Georgetown of $15 per month a house allow1wce for the whole while or ($6,600), the total to Ll,e question would like to briug the following to the notice of hon.

members of this of-the present Council: staff at the Bishop's are as fol­ High Scl1ool £250 per annum ; lows-Headmistress, four Assistant Mistresses £200 per annum each, and oue Assistant Mistress (a nou-Graduate), In addition to these salaries tresses receive each.
The total salal'ies staff amount to £1,::1111 including amount is $7,3::lO per annum.

I said just now that if a.

Government School had to be es tablishe<l Bishop's there would be an increase the salaries of the cost for the present staff would therefore of $13,200 per be in the vicinity annum.

I would like to point out that I consider are definitely qualifications of these Mistresses.

to take the place of the High School 1 estimated that the considel'ing required and the experience of $6,000 on to paid.
My estimate house :illowant:es which are now paid I feel that as far as inadequate the salaries at present If this increased grant is approved­ hope aud trust it will be­ and I sincerely of this Girls' it would mean the retention Secondary School which, in rny opinion from the work done there and the results secured, is second to noqe in the Colony.

it would mean the expansion Furthermore of the school by the Boal'd.

of Governors who have given an undertaking-I think 1)31 Motion 4 OCTOBER, i939.

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Grant to B. H. S. 1,132 mean a corresponding in the number of free places was made to that undertaking 3 of Your Excellency's the classrooms reference in paragraph Message-to at a renovate COflt of $16,000.

The increase in the grant would further increase which have to be reserved with the Regulations to Secondary Schools.
state that for every $500 grant one free place must be reserved This means that while at present three free phices at the Bishop's School for Girls, these will be increttsed to eight free places.

there tire High The Regulations in accordance governing Grants a.t the school.
within the neat· or distant movet· of the motion would have indicated the lines 011 which such a school would be estahlished, it was found to be within the realm futul'e for Government to estab­ of practicability School for Girls in thif!

lish a Secondal'v Colouy.

I do· not think the problem is solved merely by brushing pointing Govemmeut will not be rible to est-ablish such a school.
out that through bankruptcy it aside aud by the Furthermore inten­ it is Government's has not been the Bishop of Guiana in the 1\•Iess­ to appoint a to be a mem­ representative tion, as has been expressed age if this grant is approved, Government and to ber of the Board of Governors, this His Lot·dship has readily agreed.
I would like to repeat that this Government able to erect, equip, staff and maintain School for Girls, a Government nor do I see any possibility of such a pro­ posal being fulfilled such an occasion it, for I am convinced room in Georgetown Secondary Bishop's fore beg to move the motion sta-nding in my name.

School for Girls and also the High School for Girls.

I there­ in the near future.


If does arise I will support there is plenty of Secondary for a Government Mr. MACNIE (Commissioner and Local Government, acting) of Labour seconded.

J n so fat' aE this pal'ticular motion is from the to a little suggested is entitled more cout·tesv retl'o­ contl'ihution It seems to me that this ve.

I have uuderstoou there is one primary objection or another au was not favourably coneel'ned, I btCve to this vote in that it is sought to make tl1is iucl'eased specti hon.
mover of the motion that it is nothiug new, as the matter was previously or rathet· put before the Education Com­ mittee but for oue t·eason increased contribution considered.

Council and reasons should be given for ma.king the increase to the dangerous thereby fit that the contribution High School for Girls should be incl'eased, it seems to me that this Council should be furnished with more informatioii has been placed at its disposal ing.

It is not sufficient, hon.


mover of the motion to state that Government ining the financial for the period October, ber, 1939.

It would be more reasonable of exam­ had an opportunity of this school statement having regard , that may this morn­ for the retrospective, be established.
If it is thought to the Bishop's 1938, to Septem­ precedent I submit, than Mr. DE AGUIAR: I think it would be , 11nd in fact desirable to check the financial over ,1 period of three or five within the means at its dis-years, as it is only in that way one can annual avemge of for girls in this Colony.

I rise what it costs to run such a school.

How arrive at a reasonable of secondary are hon.

members -of this Council to nature but know that no items of a recurrent It in that statement,?
a certain have been included for hon.
members to think items of expenditure which are not of a recurrent have the Council, in connection should position agreed that Government generally contribute posal to the continuation education to make a few observations with this motion before before I do that I must express feeling of disappointment mover of the motioa not indicating this Council and to the country at large been included as well Government's Secondary agree with him that perhaps at the present time o,ving to financial practicable the establishment for Girls, in view of other demands that may have to be m-1cle on the Colony's :financial resources.
policy in regard to nature.

I had hoped· the hon.

for Government to that certain of a Secondary in this Colony.

I to consider Educatio'!.

reasons School it is im­ in the hon.

is reasonable Capital is made of the fact, from the figures produced or given by the hon.

mover of the motion, the Bishop's now average with $121.75 for Queen's College and $40.01 fo1· the Berbice High Schools.

High School for Girls will $30.30 per pupil ari compared that the grant to 1,133 Motion LEGISLATIVE OoUNCIL.

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G?·ant fo B. H. S. 1,13( hv the that are what are the subjects that in making the comparison Those figures look very well on paper, and sound vet·v nice indeed utt.erNl hon.

mover of the motion, but I v;nture to suggest he should not only submit figures suited to the point at issue in order to bolster up a case.

I submit that before figures are given to the Council showing the per caput cost, the hon.
mover of the motion should have gone a step further 11,nd told us how many pupils are at Queen's College, taught bow many Masters .md what are the fees and w on at Queen's College, and similar figurns pupils at other secondary sd1ools this Government sum.

L?ailurt" submit, Such a comparison, would be odious.
One must be guided in arriving 11t a conclusion submitted in cocmection matter, of a cer­ tain set of figures whiuh will make it appea1· of con­ sideration comparison figures which will show the in a different au a.nnual to submit those figures, by the figures with the whole does not 1m1ke a true comparison.

and not by the selection and leave out light altogether.
if I may use the term, justifiable, uontributes of the sta,IT ,u1d to wltil:lt in respect I Capital is also ·made of the fact that it Council," if the motion is accepLerl to iLppoint a Government on the Board of Governors is now proposed, by this Council, representative of the Bfohop'H High School for Gil'ls.
'l'he answer to that is" I would sympathise with that Government Nominee, whoever he may be whether a Governmeut Official or a member of the Legislative for the siwple reason that his voice will be as one crying in the wilderness.

I cer­ tainly do not think tlmt the general tax­ payers of this Colony, who are contributiug $4,000 per aunum to the school, only entitled Bo,Lrd of Governors which may be com­ prised of four ot· six mPmbers.

\,\That proposiLl by ,t Government Nominee in such a case?
l know] sl1all be told that if that Government Nominee :tnd it does not H11d proposes favour with the Bo,1rd representatio 11 mn.y he made to Government.

Perhaps in that way ,i certain brought to bear upon the Boiu·d, alone will uot be Rutl:iuient.

aud will not make for the satisfactory More smooth working uf that institutio11.
where the thau that will be requit-ed ou the great,w number of representatives but t;hat That ,done to one representative should be on the amount of pressure can be carried a ruea8ure may be I am, however, Board will be clergymen.
not prepared to express any further opinion at this stage on that phase of the matter, but it does seem to me that the appointment of one Government sentative on the Board of Governors of a for the school is not sufficient from grant to that school to be increased $1,500 to $4,000 per annum.
justification repre­ As regards the number of free places It seems to me >Lm referring with this matter-this at the number by the simple the greater instead to the Regulations Council has to those regula­ and what I am interested moment is the numbe1· that will be tenable there.

to be five girls per annum tha,t are going to be allowed in this school-I de:ili11g been told that according tions one free place will be allowed for every $500 uontl'ibutecl.
that there mu�t have been some reason for allotting one.

free place for every_ $500, but the greater the contribution should be the nuin ber of frefl places, of arriving Th� Bishop's method of multi plication.

High School for Girls is a second�ry suhool for girls, in at the present of scholarships There are likely County Schqlarships, winning Government and it seems to me, therefore, that the number of free places will be too small.

That point should be looked into a little more u.u·efully.
1f t,he vote for $4,000 is it will-I may ue in passed, as I believe the same position l1ere as that Govern­ ment Nominee on the Board of Governors as, perhaps, to-d,1y seem� thr1t the number of free places for our girls at that school should be in­ creased above eight, i.:nless there can be reasonable as to why that should not ue done.

Will it inter­ fere to any extent with the revenue earn­ ing of the school?

I am afraid I am uuable to ,Lnswer information earnings of this school.
'Ne have only been told what the cost of the staff is but no further have been given, and it is for that reason I rim unable to express an opiniou that merely dividing arriving Tf you are keeping to tlw Regulations, then it seems that the sooner those the better it will Regulations are a.mended study be.

I am quite sure that a careful of the point will reveal that when we Rre that, ,is we have no as to the revenue at eight is wrong in principle.
it, but I do not mind-it my voice may be the only one 011 it.

1t does seem to me ,l,000 by 500 aud whatever rigainst advanced argument details 1,135 Motion 4-OcTolJ'eR, 1939.-lnm·.

Grant to B. H. S.1,-:!.36 different.

charges, different resources are entirely of the Colony.
to a larger number to the contribution also that this inereased to deal with the matter every We have not been told whether it is s11bven­ commitment a larger sum of money we of staff require­ for a boys' school from those of a gids' In quoting those contributing ought to be entitled free places pr·o rata that is being made.

It is so clear that it too much argument.

does not require the figures given are in respect of per caput or total cost.
We all know that the two institutions The maintenance ments and equipment are entirely school.

(Laughter).

figures I do think it was an attempt to proposed up ,L case for this Council to bolstel' tion should be a perpetual the contribution i11erease on the financial I want to repeat whi,t I sitid 1it the very I am aware that hon.

members will be begiuning.


entitled vote-and I do not spe11k time the Estimates this particular ation, but I ,vould like to know how far ment of mo1:ey by this Council is Government'� obliga.tioJJ towards mak­ l'etrospeetive commitment, ing it a perpetual 1rnry or rery I fear that it will be extl'emelv iug such :l payment.

1 n my view e\'eu remove this large item from t f1p Esti1mLtes later even when it i,; dec:ided ment to establish girls.

I speak in all sincerity.


views as to like to hear Government's whether or not it is intended that Govem­ ment's subvention High School for Girb will be oue in perpetuity.

vote 11lo11c-for t;he pay­ l'o be made othenvi�e difricult to school fot· I would unless there are extnwrdi- of $4,000 to the Bishop's 1.:omc up for eonsider­ I am entirely examination a secondary a most danger­ against any special by Govern­ ,,f to this school.
particularly t.:ircumstances "·,irrant.­ of many applications it is consiclernd and I will not be sul'prised the vote to the ' to increase High School for Girls, it seems frorn 1940. of it.

I am ·after ,L further desirable Bishop's that may be done commencing 1 am against t,he principle eon vinced that it establishes ous precedent, if it is the foreruuner of this nature.

It is a dangerous pre­ in this cedent for money votes inifoited Council to be retrospective, and T do not think it should be done.
l have raised my voice iu thi� Couneil ing ver.v strongly in tl1is ease I know it is not authorised­ for payment on a retrospective basis.

I do not think it is the correct prirn::iple adopt, whatever favour of t,his motion.

They are at liberty t,o support it ,,s they likP, but I personally am against to hon.

members may say in it for the reasons money being ,iuthorised- I liave gi ve11.
dPprecat­ before, I was also very much disappointed to grant is polic:y Sec:oudanr as this Colouy It f�llows, the increased there is no decided in effect an economy, off by saying at the very that Government appears not learn from the hon.

mover of the motion that in his opinion really will be �,wed the eRt,,ibli8hment of a for Girls f::iehool Government therefore,­ in Georgetown.
as 1 had started beginning to have given the subject su f:l:ieien t thought-that on the part of Government as reg,nds for girls.

If tlrn.t education secondary is all the is so, my disappointnwnt I was hoping them was :L greater.

policy, and that this arraugement for contributing was only ,, m,ikeshift time or other tl,at poliey would be pro­ duced and a Seeoudat"I" established I do hope th�,t in the reply to these the hon.
mover of the motion will remal'ks to enlighten perhaps find it possible members of this Couneil in counectiou poiut.

with that particular to this or any other school by Governm�nt in Georgetowu.

8chool for Girls ,uicl that at some ho11.

There is only one further to make in connee;tion and it is this: I do not think it is a fair comparison s<:11001 for boys au<l oue for girls, whether to make between a secondary with this matter, puint I ,rish I the rnotiou and I wauted the hou.

member for (Nlr.
member for (Nlr.

Ue Agui,t1·).

th,Lt he i11tendecl Mr. RLEAZAR: lt is ve1·y seldom that 1 sit back :tnd wait to l1ear what hou.

members have to say before having my s,iy.

It is the fi1st t,ime I have done it, and l coml'lirne11t Central DPmernrn was under t,lie i111preAsion to \'ote against to bear the grounds on whieh he was doin" so.

I have tlmt from tim; a rncollectiou 1 a11d others ham bPe11 urging immemorial t,hat t,lie girls i11 this Colony are 11ot well se1·ved have liad promises Your Ex1.
:el.lency's Sir Edward Deubam (dec'd), will a few years ago-that Government a go into the question 8econdary by w,iy of Secondary from Government­ illustrious S<:1100] Education.

of establishing for Girls in Georgetowu.

predeceswr, in particular I 0 1,137 Jfoti,m LEGISLATIVE CoUNCTL.

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G1•ant to .B.

H. S. l, 138 I agree with the hon.


member for Cen­ The Heads and, I think, Bodies were got did not fructify as Sir Presbyterian to find out which of them would to run the school, Body-I speak to correction-said they would do 1 happen to know that aetuaHy certain preliminary steps were ta,ken.

of the DenominatiomLl together undet·take the Canadian subject it.

That, however, Edward left the country before the pro­ posals were eompletecl.
arose when at the Bishop's for Girls a l'ertain of Christ a child of God mid t1n inhet·itor of the Kingdom of Heaven, not fit for admission incensed on Government a Secondary 8chool for Girls in Georgetown.

Govern­ ment saw the force of my argument and the impossible nature of the embargo and agreed that such a school should be estab­ lished.

Everybody it would come off, but it did not.


ut the idea then that I pressed to esta,blish The question High School was happy and thought was considered though a member as a pupil.

I was 110 child, are running uuderstancls with whom she has but the appointment the Primary or employ­ money, but the Headmistress is in the hands of In this case Government takes all that time to le:un local and the temperament of the the Denominations Schools ment of the' teachers Government.
has no voice in the appointment of any­ body on the staff of the school.

The Berbice High School for Girls gets Gov­ ernment is only taken on for three years and she usually conditions childrnn to deal, and by the time she the position and c11,n be of any use she is taken off.

The last instance of that was a scandal.


With­ in two or tht·ee months of the examination for which the children for a whole year, that teacher and sent back to Canada, and strange say she was one of the few teachers the school to be beloved and children.

much discussion, for considering I would like to know whether countenances 1·eceipt in that way.
The time has not come for that question to be raised as yet, but I am only giving the warning was cashiered to of Government a private institution in of public funds tt·eating and when the time comes The matter was one of wet·e being prepared by both parents a subvention to that school the public I in now.
instance High School for The Bishop's I think Govern­ to spend as they institution institution we retro­ the Bishop of cannot run the I do not think that in this instance of that school but as should not The objection that Govemment should this pa,rticular tral Demernra that the increase be made retro�pective.

have is to the giving of public money to IL private like.

I ag1·ee contribute in to the maintenance uot so loug as it is run purely a private institution.
ment should have seized the opportunity, now that His Lordship Guiana has said that they school any longer if they are not given more monev, to sav: "Hand the school over to us; ·we will be at least partners and we will give whatever required."
domination a school, back of my hea<l that i• purely Government institution without the Church having anything to do with it will be a danger, I al ways believe and Religion therefore, be a Government 8econdary Girls, purely Government School without the Church being relieved to that scltool.

missed a good chance to tell His Lordship that Government and run it as a Government under his benigning ought to rnake this increased gt·ant spective.
Girls is not a Government any Eense of the word, so that having over­ spent its money it ean come back to Government for more.

We do not know ho\v they spend their money, and why they have spent more than they can afford.

The fact, however, for the increase 1939, shows that they are spending money as they like.

It was only 1·hetoric when His L .. rdship sai<l that tho�e pe,,ple who are here from England to teach in this school have come at a great deal of sact·i­ fice.
I lmow the statement greiLt cannot be taken seriously.

rhetoric, pardoned remaini, of its responsibility though it is not all Archbishop money that has established High School for Girls.

The present premises wa1 that of the old Queen's College, the buildings has aroused a in this Colony, but it I regard it as must be money is feel that religious adjunct and His Lordship for it.
The fact, however, that they have asked to begin from January, I strongly is a very ;u1d I necessary have al ways had at the institution, to Govern- Parry's the Bishop's but At present there should School for as [ cannot see how vo·u can have a in the idea of Education I th ink Government going h1u1d in hand and, will take over the sehool that this is a private I will not urge tl1tit a Government institution institution deal of feeling had belonged intl.uence.

and to 1,l39 .Motion 4 OCTOBER, 1939.


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1,140 but that i� not doue now l.Jrcause to get a decent school, :1 deal of wastage of ,Lt Quern's College.

because appointed College cn.n hitve hundl'ecls of lowering" is in· the hands of a the management for juRt a few so that the they would of boys.
iB t}uite education Queen's College, College of Queen's by Govern­ Boa1·d of Governors ment and they should not fail to urge upon but Government of keeping the they take the opportunity out of the school by having· children accommodation fees must be high in ot·der to cany on.

If they had a proper building be able to accommod11te I know thc1·c secondary I know thftt Queen'.� twice the numbel' of bovs and that will the fees of that have the effect as well ns Govemmeut.
's institution loution, of neglect, country to live in the Colony, to erect a decent school.

What is required is more Government contrnl at the for Girls and not Bishop's a single Government Nominee on the of Govemors.

school's cannot shirk its responsibility Let Government a grnat chance fot· GovenHnent "Very well, Government the figures submitted, ought to be charged, ruamigement Government Governors of the Bishop's for Girls is there as a layman among par­ with him.
sons who will al w11ys disagree wilful and deliberate.

The fol' a man is fair and prnper."

Nominee on the Board of study the fees that and see that the Government in this way.

can give a,;\·ay $21,000 fa1;e the music.

This is and so it can afford High School is going to audit High School A single Boal'cl contri­ to say: purposes ment.
Because it was known that it was going to be used for educational it was given as a "song" to Bishop Parr/ by another per­ If it had been purchased that person would purpose, son for another have had to pay very much more for it.

the people who come to-dav and Therefore find things as they are should enquire how such came to be.

It will not be fair for the public to cont1·ibute to the schoQl and not have a siiy in its m11u:igement.
The Bishop's because its ours as it is the Bishop's, and had compom1d was public property been given for a mere "so·ng" so as to have it used for this pfwticul:tr purpose.

High School for Girls is ,v; much to that institution, The hon.

member who Im� just t.:1ken be­ annually ,1 private in finaneial a dangerous is contributing, as the hon.

membe1: claims.

a useful purpose it is still to all intents th:it no vote of his his seat has indicated it through.
If my vote can will carry cany it through it will go through cause I am going to support it.

I do not think it will he eRtablishing precedent Even though it is serving in the community, concern to which 11nd purposes !1nd it will Government now that insti­ not be fair for Government difficulty to tution finds itself your fees and say : "Go back imd enlarge carry on."

$4,000 is not too much to contribute a good but I think we have to consider many thingR before doing that.

The hon.
The hon.

mover of the motion si1id the fees are $16.75 per term.

I was told by his predecessor that the fees were $�4 per term.

He and I repeated gave it to me in writing it in public, saw in the ne\\'spapers verify my facts as the fee� were only $18 per r.erm.

It Reern8 to me that that school wits getting and 1mother s'et of scholi�rs anoth,·r set of �cholars.

stand that the children receive "song."


Though a single Government Nominee on the Board of Governors of the school caunot kind, let Government tain this institution because well served hy Government in respect Secondary $2.J.

per term from one amount from l also under­ of Clergymen the girls of the country are not of remedy a thing 'of that at the school for ,� mere in ollfoe (Ma.jor Education.
it to expand, that I did not and assist Bain Grny) tuition ancl shortly afterwr�rds I It is an unfair c omparison to place the Bishop's High Scho ol fur Girls alongside 1 am going to ask the hon.

mover of the more cont1·ol in the nmnagement not to urge that this increase be m,)tion ret-rospecti ve.

Let it be from 19 ,10 and on the eondition that Government obtains a little of the school.

I am glad the hon.
I am glad the hon.

111ember, who spoke before me, did not urge what I thought he had in mind, and that is to oppose this motion.

He s11id : "I believe it will be carried.''

this time (laughter).

that it should not be ret-rnspective that Government T <lo not think some more 1.;ontrnl, hec:ause we are getting by all mei111s main­ trol.

f11 thiit he is conect T a.gn•e with him should cert11inly claim suflieient Government con­ anrl There is one othel' matter I desirn to at which mention.
Thne iLre son1e l'e$trictio11s High School for Girls, the Bishop's as unchristian, I describe timate children are not admitted us whel'eby illegi­ 1,141 Motion LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.

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G1·cmt to B. H. S. I, 142 for children the school's would be able to find funds tu establish was made to His Lordship was issued after that undertak­ The hon.
member for Berhice River has Here is a case in which inno­ are made to snffrr for the that I under8tand future Government the necessary a Secondary it was School for Ghls and, therefore, agreed that the sum of $1,500 be giyen to the school.

Some hon.

membern may not know the history of the Bishop's High School for Girls.

students.

cent children sins of the parents.

representation the Bishop of Guiana in the matter and he gave his word that the restrictions would be removed.
Although prospectus ing had beec.

given, it was seen to con­ that every ,Lpplicant tain a proviso must prodm:e the rn,i1Tiage admission of the parents.

If you am certificate in­ going to admit ille�itimate to that school, where c:m they get of their parents tl1e m1L1-riage certificate to produce.

I understand, His however, Lordship tion.

It is an · unchristfan and His Lordship believe, things which are permissible institutions, are to be assisted The cannot have those restrictions.
people who are denied admission merely on those grounds are also contributors to public funds.

Those restrictions should be removed, sufficient and policy of the school in return for the cont1·ibution Government is making to it from public funds.

referred to Bishop Parry.

J may rnmind him that there have been two "Bishop Parrys " in this Colony.

The fit·st made it fur the old Queen's possible ings to be purchased to be founded.
been unable conducted Lordship bec»me Archbishop, of the institution it to continue.

It is fortune which enabled gen11rally in office, the second Bishop Parry, fot· many years made it possible tinue its existence "·ith private funds.

It therefore the reg uest that is being made by the for an increased School Autl1ol'ities iR the direct result of Bishop Parry's death.
It is well known that but for the original by Archbishop contribution and th ... subsequent made by Bishop Parry, this school his successor, would have long ceased to exist.

has seen that and, 1 will keep his word.

Those are to do it. "

She it was who the Woodside School.
His and Government voice in the control, for this school to con­ the aid of his <JW!l · College and for this school should have mimagement but when those institutions has ngree<l to waive that objec­ known that his successor Miss V vfhuis would have from public funds they placed at the disposal of his private objection, foundation in private follows that a portion grant Parry build­ Bishop Parry, who subsequently when precedent are not seriously entertained Sene­ who was then Coloni,tl by I ,ms a Council was·tirst introduced, Mr. WOOLFOHD: I hope, sir, that made by the hon.
member for the rem,trks Centml Demerara and the (Mr. De Aguiar) hon.

member for Berbice River (:i\-fr.

Eleazn,r) hon.

membei·s of tht> Council.

member of the Legislative this propos,11 and could recall the warnings given to Sir Ceeil Clementi, tarv of I he Colonv, that a Vt'ry cla,{gerous persuading <·ontribution.

School.

The position ereated by t.liis to the school arose as the result of the inabilitv est;ablis·h The whole position a Committee, c:�nnot member of thnt Committee.
the impression Hanison was also a member.

The posi­ tion then was that '"a; being crenterl b;• to make this the \Vondside the personnel of which I remember now but l know I was a of Government, in those da1's to a Secondary School for Girls.

had been examined 1 am under 8ir John Government County Scholarships hut this one.

The situation You would h,1ve promis­ I wish to ,yarn hon.

members of the gt·ave dnnger of t.his institution dis­ ,1s the rnsult of lack of appeari11g public support.
There is 110 other secondary cduc:ttional esbtblishment in thi� Colony at, whic:h it would be possible to prepare girl students Scholarship amounts to this : ing young girls from the Pl'imary wiu11i11g aud being entitled Iustitutio11 educational acaclemy School disappears, tution in this Colony tlrnt would admit gil'ls iuto their estab­ of a certtLiu persuasio11 lishment, and these girls form a very large proportion Schola1·ship�.

think will happen?
think will happen?

l cannot understa_nd the attitude tral Demerara who represents for the continuance trnining left without any of those who ,vin Primary "That do hon.

members to go to.

l f the Bishop's the Govel'llme11t of tlie hon.

member for Cen­ to go to a Secondary there is no other insti­ at no time in the near that Professor for the Guiana subvention ·1 twas then of Government that has been Schools qf their so large a.

High by 1,:143 ;lfotion 4 OCTOBER, l939.

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Gra11t to B. H. S.1,114 education at schools.

Scholarship I go to neither.

of this support tlie may cease to exisr.

girls who is not is no doubt a frequent at the end is Perha.ps the hon.

mem­ He and regu­ at his Church but !L less fre­ to get a secondary The hon.

member for Central nu�ber of possible will be unable, if this institution maintained, elsewhere.
Demerara lar attendant quent attendant He does not appea't' to have derived any " benefit from such christian trainincr as is supposed to be given at the former institution.

ber would like this vote postponed.

must know and ought to kno"' that but for the continuance institution of the '\'"ear.

What other institution there?

The Ursuline Catholic educational the necessary win the Guitina Scholarship.

fore, you make it possible possibilities Ursuline Convent, a i·ecurrence which girls have ship.
I am speaking Miss Hale and more recently :VIiss Dewar.

all of whom received their training High School.

r aUl mor� iu the Bishop's favoul.'

now of voting funds for the establish111ent School for Girls tlmn for the el.

'ectiou of a new.

Queen's College, though is.

t\10 latter to limit the of these girls going to the you would never have of the three instances won the Guiam• i::'cholar­ and has not staff to train a girl to of Miss Tengeley, institution.
Convent is a Roman establishment necessary of a Government Secpnd,u-y [t, is a religion� If, there­ ,Lt in The hon.
member for Be1·bice River to some t,o ill<·gi­ of the school was to wlmt w:1s n lmndieap deni,d of ,nlmiRsion at the Bishop's referrerl people-t,he tim,L.te children High Sehool for Girk HiH Lordship Bishop Parry, that the existence feeling be11efaetion entirely dependent upon private prin­ :wd in conformity witli his Chri8tian ciple of not wishing to sub�icliz e illegi­ timacv made it ,t eondition 1 should not be admitted childr�•; s<:hool.

· One can understand tude.

of his.


In those clays tlwy ,re, e receiving limited financial were no -gr1Ld1mtes dap: it is only now that, they have com­ meneed to eome As the school has and hn,s become one of the pron-ressed institutions where Government, ;;\iips .. a;_-e teimble, the·.

Authorities.

to relax in their stand ,i,oainst children.

help.


There iit the school in those the admiHsion lt is, I thi,11k, that the8e in the this atti­ it heeornes 11ecessary Sehohir­ for of illegitimate to the credit of to oppo­ consider r·eligious education.

a. secondary that he should have to that institution, \Ve need that difficulty the present Bishop to drop any been persuaded sition there was in favour of this restric·­ tion being 1·erooved.
I do not at all agree that Govern·ment should not contiuue subscribe as the alter­ native will be that these girls will not receive not, however, l,he restriction it does exist,, it, is true, it denie8 a.dmission to n. largf, numbei:-of inhabit-ants wi] l lmve no other plu.ce to go to.

l deplore what looks r.o be a desire on the part of members of tlrn community to oppose any help' to that instit,ution.

T hope it will never h,Lppen.


know it is a matter of very great iut.erest to the educational tion that this vote should continue, has been rernovecl.

"\Vhile heads of that institu­ l happen to who as ·what is to be gained by increasing be­ ilet,heylrn ve on the Board tlmt slmri11g of the over the selection not for educational h,Lndicap-these The misfortune is coming out here aud falling uud eventually lite with them Government representation of Governors of the school?
Do vou think for example it is likely to ha·ve Greek for Latin, or Latin fo1· substituted or to get History abolished'!

History, \Yh,1t can a Government Nominee clo on thRt Bo;Lrd?

He can to some extent exer­ cise �ome control staff, but there is one thing he will nevtn· be able to do, and that is to prevent what is the greatest young htdy-teachers i11 love with gentlemen ing persuaded is better than teaching.

tlmt,after they are ltere font\\'h to leave the i11stitutio11 rnasons (laughter).
specird Girls' t:\ehool, t,he ho11 11H•mber of beiug i11 a mixeJ sehool, handicaps, of.

Ther,:, are no special not quite kno"· what form of contrnl the hon.

member sugge8t.� at this i11stitution, be a High i::\chool for Girls: It.

is tL fact that the Colonv h,1s t,o faee this in­ creased subvention· means for the establishment of 1L new educational centre fo1· girls.

To pay 1L grnduate MistresH they are ladies to do so.
vVhether or a gentleman, is a lady she or he is entitled £200 per a11nu111 is absurd, the benefit, are 110 but, i-her,• I do uot, know what is neecl.-d in a, that I know chtssrooms.

it has been found possible and l do 11ot know "'het,ht;1· should be intl'Odueed and it is only because to the school or fiu<l form of equipment as a.n Assi�tant ever unjt,yed ·a graduate equipment no �pecial it happens to bec;utse I do to a 1,145 Motion tEGIBLATIVE dou.!.\'OIL.

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Grant to B; li.'


S. 1,146 rrlquire Government must certainly the proposal Despite what the hon.

member for New has said, I am strongly of the Amsterdam opinion that a school of that kind does a measure·· of Hecessarily Gov1Jrn­ ment control.

I agree with the hon.

member who said that a mere Government Nominee on the Board will not be suffi­ cient, and I would be very gh,d if Govern­ ment.

would consider to have a larger measure of control over the institution.
take notice of the several been raised in connection and I know, perhaps as Government also understands, opinion in connection Letters have been appeal"ing and while the situation may have been overstated, disregard ernment may well I consider points raised so as to come to some the part definite conclusion Government may play in the control of this institution.

points that have with this matter, there is a strong .

public public opinion.


in the Press, regarding in many instances ·yet one cannot Perhaps Gov­ with this question.

the various inueased to a much greater and I do hope so far as I am good salary, concerned that I shall remain a member of this Council long euough to see this subvention figure than the one proposed To say that we should postpone fit to the school because is ,L very unhappy idea.

What ought to happen is this: This vote instead of being $4,000 Rhould have been $8,000 five years ago.
this bene­ at present.

it is retrospective It I have I have always I have alw,Lys suffered from that I Mr. JACKSON: I must confess to the hon.

member for New for the fer­ from my endeavoured to saying on previous am indebted Amsterdam (Mr. Woolford) vency and zeal with which he has supported the motion before this Council.

never heard him to better advantage.

is no secret; not hearing liis views properly place here.

hear w]rn,t he had been h,Lve only heard a part of occasions, but what he s,1id.
I do not know if it is because the question with the female element able to rise to the occasion Hi:, speeches quite as eloquent as his address was to-day, but I have never heard him to greater advantage I am mindful him on getting the mastery over his voice.

to-day is mixed up that he has been and (laughter).

in the past might have been and quite as convincing it is my duty to congratulate I am supporting the motion.
I am the claims of the as I may be able to point more force when matters High School for Girls.

It would to do the best I can for the of the people of this Colony.

to me by the statement the i::lchools always pleased education What was perhaps very interesting was the comparative hon.
mover of the motion regarding cost per caput of the Secondary mentioned-Queen's Schools for Boys and Girls and the Bishop's give me a little come up for supporting Primary Schools, out the cost per caput of the Secondary Schools Schools.

Council not to agree to this increase, because somewhat sympathetic School teiLcliers of the investigation Primary Education, I agree to the increase hold that there should be a large1· of control over the institution of Government time.
of the Committee on but I do say that while of this vote I also measure OD the pat·t at the present towards Primary as the result I am not going to ask the I know thu.t Government compared with that c,f the Primary quite recently than obtains has been May it not be well for Government the ma,tter to finality ,before pressiug consider may be.

beneficial motion is deferred the various points raised?
It if the decision on the for a. little while, and to There is no doubt that there is absolute School for Committee, there were several such a school on the lines on If to do is not in a position need for a good Secondary Girls in this Colony, and what really would be an ideal thing is for Government to establish which Queen's College is conducted.

Government is quite at liberty that, then Government that will supply to adopt any makeshift the present need at the present time.
W hen this matter was brought before the Education points on which I desired I had my views, and I had my doubts.

I expressed what my doubts were, 1Lnd to a certain extent they have been removed.

$4,000 may not be regarded as a very ·large sum to be expended t>duc:Ltion 1L large increase granted, think if all that is ,desired of that kind receiving attained, mquey well spent.

from a school public funds is the amount will be in connection of our girls.
That, however, upon the amount presently saying; quite freely and frankly it goes without with the secondary then certainly but I do is informalion.

College, Be1·bice High · 1,147 Motion 4 bcTOBER, 1939.

-Iner.

Grant to B. li.

S. 1,118 down immediately, may be able ·whether Government will be inclined of the whole Council from those hon.

members who bave in the matter.


I it or not the motion will have but I am of the ;,in• the meantime _to get the votes of the whole Council apar.t themselves expressed ,throw it out aR a suggestion.

·is adopted u:1Y entire support, o.pinion that Government to have the opinion on the matter and will readily thereon �ecision of everyone.

vote retrospective be thought over lightly, opinion sjder·ation more of a round table nature than in this open Council.

this suggestion may assist adoption raised.


I throw out with the hope that its in meeting of making the is one that should not and I am of the that it needs some careful con­ so as to get the support The question the points defer any .

Mt·.

GONSALVES : This motion is of of a that at the was compensated I think, School for Girls is something by everyone if it became necessary moment it is difficult and it would be for natul'e than it · a much more controversial ·'1-P,Pears to be.
The little warmth in for which it was started by the humour we had from the hon .

With regard .member for New Amsterdam.

it seems that every­ to the motion itself, one is agrned that the existence Secondary that is very desirable, very regrettable this school to be closed down.

It is also admitted, present ment to consider lishing this Colony.

With regard to the amount to be voted by the Council on of t_lie school, .

carrying from the hon.


member for New Amster­ tl1e running ·dam information of .the -school and how Government came of $1,500.

to give the first contribution We all admit that times have changed and are much different than that conditions they were in those days, and a further if one is to run a increase better .school, must naturally .Those are facts which ought not to be lost sight of.
for Govern­ of estab­ as help for the we have had of the amount, a Secondary the question School for Gi_rls in as regards follow.

to One of three rather anti­ River as reg:Lrds and for Berbice for the running of a small committee I make that sugges­ it is correct be appointed "nd also the question the amount voted should be of this year or from January I had me with his suggestion.

eithet· of which nated member, Mr. Jackson, cipated in mind two suggestions, may lmve accepted.
Government is that in view of the point;; suggestion raised by the hon.

members for Central Demerara the amount involved the school, members of this Council go into th,Lt question as to whether retrospective from l sL October.
to say tion on the ground-if that unless this $4,000 is obtained the school will have to be closed down almost immediately-that spent already the school i, not closed would be required do not suggest but I do think that in the light of the c0mruittee of the points raised a, smiLll to go into them Council this 1m1tter be and in the meanwhile deferred The committee increase January Council their recommendation.

of the Council.
of the Council.

that the may be convinced should be retrospective as from 1, and report to the effect to this who, I have no doubt, will accept what !ms been speut is and the amount required, if I proposal from now onwards.

may be appointed to the next meeting thiLt it iR a difficult of College, the question the attention of the Governors �1 larger school has long and has since then received of Government.

to have ib di;:me than the made by With regard to the rema�·ks the hon.
member for Berbice River as of regards Queen's the erection of received CollPge Queen's the attention more anxious Governors ber need have no fear that the Governors College of Queen's of the education the boys at Queen's College.

My sugges­ tion is that the motion be deferred for a short· time, and it coincides suggestion member, Mr. Jackson.

have not been thinking aud accommodation made by the hon.

Nominated of the school.

The lion.


mem­ No one is with the of This matter came before the Education of which I happen to be a remember Committee member.

I mation was given to that Committee.

must admit that the full detail of the amount ,required fully before this Council.

by the motion is not quite infor­ I that certain The hon.
Nomi- I have seldom opposed a measure by Government forward Mr. KING: ,During the short space of time that I have been a member of this Council brought cerity Colony or its inhabitants, but I am 1;1�ly sorry I �ust oppose exceedi motion wliioh is at present before the and benefit of the for the welfare in all sin­ the l, 149 1l1otion LEGISLATIVE CoUNOIL.

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Grant to B. H. S. l,'l'�·O by of feeling my oppositioll that any Government easier in my mind as that this is not having been persuaded outside to help in a measure A great deal has been said for this Colony to have School for Girls.

With that Council, regards really in the nature of a Government measure but has been made so thrnugh Government authorities this kind.
that it is essential a Secondary I am I agree, partly but until and unless is bound convinced to provide for the inht•bitants that it is not right and pi·oper ment to support this motion.

Secondary education private can provide educate the people of the Colony to such an extent tha.t they for their braius when they employment get through school?

to turn out a professioDal is a matter for whether the Government it or not.
Is it necessary T will contend for Govern­ will be unable to find enterprise, Is Govnnment everywhere man and woman a, secondary education of the countrv going to ' of evet·y boy and girl?

That is what you is .already a year on places our Budget­ one of the wealthy of the people.

We are not of are going to do.


Government spending the sum of $45(\000 the education considered the world; we have been known for years not to be able to balance and it may be years more before we will be able to do that-so that no one can say we are niggardly ing education speDding revenue am satisfied everything ing the masses, by anything this morning that this vote is a proper one.

for the ma.sses.

Dearly tell per cent.


of our annual and as a Colonist on edm:ation, that Government is doing in its power to help in educat­ when it comes to provid­ I have heard in this Council We are I they are absurd.

To get secondary tion anywhere else in the world one has· to pay far more than that.

Aduca.­ I am in great sympathy with His Lord­ that to give the fees a matter of raising regrettable to pay sufficient low it is· impossible its budget.',.

If the .
If the .

the fees to expenditure and say: "I am unable ship the Bishop of Guiana in this-matter.

He 11as the alternative of the school or reducing meet income.

That, is,' however, for him, hut it is not for him to come to this Government to carry on this school because are so ridiculously for me to balance Bishop finds the school cannot be carried on in any other way, then let the school be closed down, however step may be.
If the people of this Colony are not prepared a secondary education then it is a matter for them.

Rather this money spent on seconds, than seeing for gids, I would favour ary education its expenoiture That is why I have always supported Trade Centre for Women-an Carnegie institution which is doing good and solid work for the people of the Colony.
I would rathe1· education membet· for New Amsterdam, sure said it facetiously, High School is the only school in the Colony to educate high standard I · make the statement absolutely see the money spent on of that kind for girls.

The hon, who I feel girls to a sufficiently for the Guiana Scholarship .. that the remade is said the Bishop's to their child·ren untrue.

but I am not yet convinced Mr. WOOLFORD: Name another I Mr. KING: I can name another.
I name the Ursuline Convent, of training girls that it is quite capable for the Guiana i:icholarship provided they intellect.

have the necessary and can say of ou1· there would be no education High School the For the secondary girls we are at present giving to the sum of $1,500 ·l:lishop's pet· annum, and I co11sidei· that if the people ,rnre made to pay proper fees for secondary education need for this Government to help the school to auy other extent.
\Ve are obtaining Colony secondary $15 to $18 per term-a matter of $5 to $6 per month.

To me that is so ridicu­ lous and ab,urd, bers state hern that the fees are high.

Others, fees a1·e low.

I say they are so low that for the boys and girls of thi� education and yet some hov.

mem­ have admitted however, at a cost of that the Mt·.
ELEAZAR: Question I Mr. KING: In the course of over forty has Is that what Guiana Scholarship oDly two girls have been this Colony is a matter of $4,000 a years that the been in existence successful.

going to do-speDd yea1· so that every 20 years a girl win the Guiana Scholarship far cheaper if every· year you give a girl the amount of the scholarship for the ' abroad, purpose of carrying Another atatement out studies was made by the hon.

· ?

It would be should on vocational education.


the 1,151 Motion 4 OCTOBER, 1939.

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Grant to B. H. S. 1,15'2 endeavour to what he his wife however, member fot· New Amsterdam, to whom I with the gt·eatest respect but a.lways listen member, Mr. whom like the hon.

Nominated Jackson, I very seldom hear, but I know he is gifted with speech and also with a sense of humour and I therefore to pay the strictest i1ttenliion says.

Like Caesar's remarks made in this Council beyond reproach.
:inother Ursuline Roman Catholic: that persuasion are numbers of girls not of the Roman who have gone through Catholic the Ursuline Convent., there and to-diiy are numbers of them at the Convent.

I do not know if his support of the motion i11 on the ground that the Ursuline excludes girls who are other than Roman Catholic.

should.

be He has said that i n refeITing t o the which is run by the girls not of are not admitted.

'l'here school (presumbly persuasion persuasion Convent) Convent .
Mr. WOOLFORD : I regret I have to rise to a point of correction.

I was not refening The to religious hon.

member must uccept thut stutement.

The statement correct and is known not onlv to Government but, to every man in the Council.

I made is absolutely persuasion.

of in its it necessary legislatiou increasing the Government understood the persuasion.

of this all only too well aware Revenue of this Colouy by The measure was con­ for the welfare Mr. KING : 1 certuinly hon.
membel' to say religious If I am wrong, I withdraw it from my mind.

Only yesterday this Colony found wisdom to int.roduce the possible nearlv $200,000.

sider�d neces8ar, Colony.

\Ve tire· that the Br.it�sh Empire to which we are happy to belong is going through a very serious time at present and, while we may look forward in our minds with hope to of the \Var, our the early te1·mination better judgment suade us that we ,must per cannot look forward to as early a termina­ tion as we would like.
This Colony like of the Empire will be faced other pal'ts from that with commitments resultant War, and at.

this time of stress, when people are finding it difficult to live­ are finding it when the poorer classes difficult to eke out an existence-is Colony as a matter of largesse, pay the sum of $4,000 per annum for the secondary of the Colony?

I am appealing of some of the girls education to hon, going to this by members of the Council as I .
have never done before not to be persuaded sympathy in this matter.

While we all sympathize of Guia,na cannot allow our sympathy us as to blind our better judgment.

The Colony is in need of money, and will be in need' of money for many years to come.
with His Lordship in this particular the Bishop matter, to so persuade we The expenditure of $4,000, small as it ,I think and I know Lhat of this Council, and more :Liixious the people of this Colony hLt·ge when you look at it as There ure lots of ways in may be to the revenue of the Colony, is nevertheless a single unit.

can spend this $4,000.

which Government (.Mr.

Eleazar: Question)!


There is no one Lhan I to see the keenel' but I aru people of the Colony educated, not going to blind wy eyes to the fact is almost as gre,it a that over-education curse as little or no education.

So long as we educate for them to know what is sufficiently arounrl.

them and to t11.ke an happening intelligent in the affairs of the interest wodd ,,ud to earn i, living, Government will be doing its utmost for of the Colony.
I am in the inhabitunts touch to a great extent with the people outside the young boys and girls who are passing out of school eve1·y difficult with the education In some instances ILl'e educated p11re11ts.

to give their children they can afford, lmt J al ways feel that ever·y when educat­ ing a child that tlie life within which it is accustomed of that live and not to a life outside that it is sphere.
I c:u1llot help feeling far better for this Colony t if Govemme11 consider and give effect to some form of vocational more advantageous women of this Colony than, to 11 certain extent, of whil:h they get the benefit through small fees and the generous ance of Govern­ ment.
whil:h would be far to the young men and beyond the sphere of their parent should considel' to obtain employment I know personally, he is fitting tl1e child for year are finding it more the secoudary It is a natural education education assisr they to compatible they have reeeived.

thing for parents the best erlucation There is nothing more I can say on this but to stress my strong opposi­ matter, tion to this motion, not because feeling any particular Eve1·y man is entitled against the school.
to his own religious I have 1;153 Motion LE�IBLATIVB COUNCIL, -Iner.

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Q. S. 1,154 every man's religion and I respect belief, just as much as I expect hiw.

to respect mine.

My opposition to this motion has persua­ nothing to do with my religious sion, but is merely a means of stating to educa­ this Council my idea of secoudary tion which I feel sure Government has no at this moment.

necessity to provide Mr. GONSALVES : That is tl1,e pur­ sir, and .
I. wo.uld pose of my amendment, like to tell the hon.

member that I ha;ve not done worse than he has done.

Yes­ terday he moved that consideration Petroleum Bill be deferred for six months.

of the Mr. ELEAZAR: That was not an If the hon.

mem­ to anything.

he what I have done.

amendment ber does not know the procedure should not challenge Nlr.

LEE: If Government accept the hon.


member's will not say anything cause it will come up again when we will lt,LVe intends amendment on the subject, full details.

to I be­ THE PRESIDENT : I am not regard­ consisting of not more than to consider whether ing the hon.

member's and that His Excellency appoint amendment ment of a Select Committee Council to consider the Council at the present course a motion for the appointment Select Committee time.
any of increase with regard High School, but a motion for the appoint­ the motion before can be moved at any · as an proposal time, and of of this of a The Council to 2 p.m. interval adjourned for the luncheon 2 p.m.- Mr. GONSALVES : In view of the dis­ to move is that of the motion be the mrLtter.
at the present consideration which has taken place I would like to simplify I propose cussion to move an amendment stage in ol'del' The amendment furthe1· defened, a Committee, five persons, and what amount increase should be made by Government to the grant to the Bishop's and if the grant is to be increased, from what date should that increase I think if the suggestion put forwa1·d were adopted the Council my amendment would be better informed on the subject and would be able to arrirn at a more definite decision matter.
I think we have had quite a long discussion I think the feeling should be kept.

I am not going to go into the question of the school because n:iuch better if perhaps matter was not on the matter already.

is that the school I think it would be that aspect of the of the denomination · be given, in with regard to this cunsirlered.

Mr. JACKSON: I beg to second that amendment.

make a speech ou this occasion I have said all tlrnt can lie said.
There is no need for me to ; I think Mr. ELEAZAR: I rise to a point of order.

I do not know how the hon.

mem­ ber can move an amendment which is before the Council.

make a suggestion it to Your Excellencv motion to adopt it.

to the Council 01· the mover of the He can and leave to the motion THrl PRESIDENT: I think what the hon.

membc,r wishes to move is that a Select Committee of this Council be appointed is before the Council to consider at present.
the motion which doubt Tm;: COLONIAL SECRETARY: I can assure hon.
members that before the Council was asked to vote this sum of con­ money the matter was very carefully were and all figures available sidered investigated, thoroughly but as some unofficial members have expressed as to whether an increased be made as from the first of this quarter or from the 1st January, to siiy that Government motion fot· the appointment Committee bers to go carefully which will be phtced at their disposal the Director of Education, and see fo1· themselves grant this increased of the current yeal'.
'to sum as from the first of a Select mem­ that it will be necessary to enable the unofficial grant should will accept the by I am authorised into the info1·mation With regard to the remarks made this by the hon.

member for Demet'a;ra morning River (Mr. King), I agree with him that education the fees fo1· secondary i:n 'this low, but I· can­ Colony are extraordinarily not agree with him that: while there should be secondary fol' boys there should not ·be for girls.
At the present in the world just· as men have to,· at1cl probably time girls have to make their .w�y by the end of the war a g6od education 1,155 Motions 4 OCTOBER, 193,9.

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1,156 many more will have to be looking for a living elsewhere others to support them.

and not depend upon Professor ture) seconded.

DASH (Director of .Agricul­ Motion put, and agreed to.

Motion put, and agreed to.


THE PRESIDENT: I the personnel before the Council will announce of the Select Committee rises this afternoon.

GRA'l'UITY Mr. CASE (Director TO Mn.

EDWIN HAMILTON.

of l?ublic Wo1·ks and Sea Defences) : I beg to move :- That, with reference to the Acting Governor's No.
23 dated 2nd September, of the payment of a com­ approves 1939, this Message Council passionate in respect Hamilton Ganger (Driver), gratuity of $324 to Mr. Edwin of his services as Section Public Works Department.

Mr. Hamilton has served in the Public and con­ faithfully for 18 years, and is unable to Works Department tinuously sight.

carry on on account of impaired and I He is not entitled therefot·e this motion.

ask hon.

members to support to a pension, Mr. WOOD (Conservator of Forests) seconded.
Motion put, and agreed to.

ADDITIONAL VOTE FOR DEFENCE MEASURES.

Tm: COLONIAL SECRETARY: I ' beg to move:- Whereas it is necessary to make further for extraordinary provision nexion with the War in which His Majesty is engaged: expenditure in con­ Be it Resolved,-That His Excellency a further necessary sum of $15,000 measures this Council the Acting Governor on defence authorises to expend and other connected with the War.

Hon.
Hon.

members will recollect that a short time ago a vote of $25,0Q0 was to be taken for passed to enable measures the defence of the Colony and for other emergency exhausted or so, and it is necessary further end of November, of the year.

The amount required mated at $15,000.

to ask for a sum to carry us on, possibly measures.

in the course of the next week to the but I hope until the end That sum will be is esti­ REVOLVING FUND l10R 'l.

'UTBER SE.,BON!NG.

.Mr.


WOOD: I beg to move:- That, with reference to the Acting Governor's approves for the purpose 1939, Message No.

24 dated 23rd September, of the provision of the this Council sum pf $30,000 a revolving and other departments local timbers without sufficient using any imported with supplies to fill their requirements fund to supply the Public Works of establishing of seasoned lumber.
There is a considerable at stacking of imported lumber which in The Message, Departments have from the Colonial and that one of the objects of and that the aim of entirely all im­ to enable the reclama­ lands to be undertaken ground could season for the Public sir, to which my motion refers is, I think, more or less sel£ explana­ tory.

Hon.
Hon.

members are aware that a free grant was received Development Fund tion of certain the Fot·t, that ,,,ork was to provide where the Forest Department stocks of local timbet· vV orks Department, that work was to abolish ported lumber from use by Government Departments.

quantity past·times the .i:'ublic Works Department and other consuming had to use simply because to obtain seasoned which to substitute material.
of Public vVorks to second the motion so from the that he can speak on the subject Public Works point of view.

'l'he posi­ tion now is that it is hardly possible t.o hardly have the ask the loeal mills-they or the ground to enable them to facilities season local timber themselves it to the Public Works Department immediately.

mate aim, so this is in the nature of a vote for unallocated and as it is will be bought and seasoned, of green timber taken out fresh purcha8eS will be made in its place.
What timber is taken out by the Public Works Deprt­ by them at cost to ment will be charged works for which it is used.

the various local lumber with for the imported I am going to ask the Director stores.

Green timhe1· That is, of course, they were unable and supply out· ulti­ As the Director of Public Works going to refer to his side of tho question would like to refer to the broader aspect is I i, 157 Motion LEGISLATIVE CouNCIL.

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1,158 there vote really has following because we lJevelopment to do with the war.

morn necessary.

on the declaration a consideruble fat· this has arisen put up in 1937 when even was not quite certain the work still which I have given to the of it.

This particular nothing whatever The whole thing was worked out originally and a proposal Hitler himself was going to be a war, and the grant from the Colonial Fund was time ago.
The obtained necessity are very nearly ready with tl,at ground to which start this work, and the situation has arisen, of war, renders For reasons timber trade, and whieh I need not go into :Lt length, that if this Colony is going to continue use imported price i� going to rise to uuprecetlented heights, than in the last war when it rose high enough.

( Jn the other hand l am not at all .sure that we will be able to obtain any lumber at all.
Gerrnanv has established blockade neutral England, the "White Sea ports.

If that is the case England will have tu obtain the whole of her normal supplies Canada and America, any we will a all in the Balti� anci is sinking and war �upplies from and if we are to get and Russia seems to he dosing ships trying to cany timber to I have formed the opini0n have to pay high prices.
during the war the in my opinion to greater lulllber heights to lumber would ·be and that is certainly space in the mills which they and which many of them for seasoning to capture the whole of om· requirements occupying ought to require, are going to require in order to endeavour vVest Indies market, a reason why we should do this work our­ selves on the ground we have prepared.
vVe will soon be ready with three acres of land alongside the Public vVorks yard where anybody can take up land and put and egress both their stacks, with ingress they can season by road and water, whe1·e lumber under our supervisi on if they wish, and where we would be on the spot to give them the moisture content.

of thanb, and polite letters ones too in many cases.
I I would like to say what I have told the and that is that I do hope of advice to all the members cases they are going but every whole Street, that the local trade will seize what I be­ but lieve to be a very great opportunity, they can only seize it by going after it.

I want to point a moral about it.
I have sent letters of the timber trade on what my personal views are on the matter, and I have received encouraging think that in certain to get orders from the Islands, opportunity cannot get business without I received from a me very much for my letter ha l read with great interest, order happened would endeavour that but I would not comment on it except to say that if we are ever going to capture heaven's now formally I get I tell them that they in this modern world for it.
One letter which sake let us go and look for it.

I move tl,e motion.

firm thanked which they and if any to come to them they to fill it.

I have quoted nameless fooking That throws the local industry into the possibly before the war are concerned that if we are quick will not be else but our tim­ position of being able to produce timber at rates which are not Tery much higher than they were selling broke out, and with those rates they will the tremen­ be able to compete against.
dously high rates in the Islands, to the extent that the Islands able to obtain anytl1i11g ber.

So far as scan tlings we are in the position enough and wise enough in the uptake we would btdn a position to start selling the Ish,nds.

third of the Islands' think we have to look farther we can supply the Islands local lumber, they cannot get what they are accustomed to, they are liable to become accustomed to our local woods, and are likely to discover that they are not liable to be attacked by woodants.
If we seize ou1· opportunity now we would be able to hold those markets after the war.

If we asked the mills to season lumber for I.ts it would mean that the That would be about one­ and they are using it because requirements, with seasoned ahead.

If but I to .Mr.

CASE : I have great pleasure for all require­ that this Colony the motion.

I do not think in seconding I can add very much to what the mover has shown has said.
Recent experience quite conclusively possesses timber suitable ments of the Public Works Department if they are properly seasoned.

the Public Works Department spent $13,700 in purchasing imported timbers.

If this motion is passed no more timber will be imported Department, additional will be spent here, Another point is and that -will mean that an amount of $5,800 per annum by the Public Works Last year any market in this world, for 1,159 Motion 4 1939.

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1,160 OCTOBER, amount of that there is a considerable in the timbers used generally imported Colony.

The last report shows that in was spent by 1938 a sum of $160,592 people in this Colony in purchasing I am quite convinced imported seasoned, if properly that local timbers, are quite suitable.

last year in purchasing had been used in the Colony it would have meant; that $64,000 in wages in this Colony.

If the amount spent imported would have been spent timbers.
timbers Mr. DE AGUIAR: I do not think for that a little the timber experience to this measure.

and I expeet that the t-irober will be very grateful to purchase fot· this work?

I knqw that a will be there is any member in this Chamber who will offer any opposition The only point that occurs to me is how is it proposed required good deal of valuable gained, dealers experience.

I would like to see the scheme more, but perh11ps extended not to make too big a bite.
would be better I have a faint recollection pened to a revolving time ago for 8easoning the original fund gradually I rlo not know whet·e sumab�y revolved I think it was discovered that was cured was too expensive, but per­ haps we will benefit from the experience gained then.

fund provided some timbet·.

fund was $25,000, revolved and revolved, and it is now.

It pre­ I think but that of what hap­ out.

(laughter).
(laughter).

that the lumbel' itself it to ; it was insists teeming with wood yet to plant wood revolving but Government wood into this country fault in not lmving placed an offices in which he can serve with him in the Forest Department until it went out of existence.

upon to find $30,000 portant great distinction, on keeping to carry coal to Newcastle, when we cannot get rid of what we have.
There was a Forest Trust which went on revolving Now we ,ire called fund to buy wood put into another and stack it.

We should not have been importing Govemmei1t's embargo on wood coming into the country.

vVe have a country we are importing we arn told that it is because not se,1,soned.

Conservator and I would like him to tell me when it would be cured.

It would be in the same condition what is written about woods from my own experience.

This is not the time for this kind of specu­ lation.
let the Public Works to get its supplies true that when this scheme was mooted there was no war, but now that a war is on we wnnt all the money we ca,n get for cir­ culation wood all the time.

Now our wood is I would like to see the years after.

I do not know in the books, but I know into circulation and t continue Departmen from the firms.

It is in the Colony.

PuG $30,000 sawing a piece of bullet wood, Stores, I would like to 01· whether to allocate One other observation.
know whether it is proposed this amount to the Public Works Depart­ ment under Unallocated a fund outside to establish it is proposed of the Public Works Department into will pay the amount which the Department by the quantity of of money represented time to time.

I am timber required from very jealous to ask some questions having regard to what I have s:1id about the previous revolving about the fund and I propose about it later on, fund.

Mr. ELEAZAR: The hon.


member was when he said bit too optimistic a little that no member of the Council would object to this motion; he could not have been looking (laughter).

Conservator mai�tained to the With all due deference that there are much more im- of Forests I have always at this side of the table.

at all.

The Conservator's the wages of their labourers.


name in a breezy office of rema1111ng fund is only another votes These extrnneous taxation are The Public Works should buy more wood from the officers of the Forest should go into the interior Instead in Kingston Department and plant more tl'ees.

Department the local firms so as to enable them to increase This revolving for the ForeHt Trust which Government has ab,mdoned.

for which we have to incre,ise not desirable arguments facts do not bear them out.
I have alwavs complimented ing votes hert'.

him on his failures.

keep out unnecessary re,ison at all.

of making this experiment trouble should put a hea,vy duty ou Government woods.

Some of our woods are imported too hard, and that is the reason why they They are not wanted in Great Britain.

was made to deal say that their machinery with softer woods.
I appeal to Govern- When we desire to imports I see no should go to the him on his success why Government very good, but the are :ilways in secu;­ but I cannot compliment l, 161 Revolv.

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LBGISLA'rlVB CouNOIL.

District By.Laws, 1999 1,162 ment not to spend this money at the present time.

I tried to advise the timber trade to carry coal away from Newcastle to the Islands .

, Mr.· WOOD : I a,m bound .. to express .

-Another(<Juestion raised by the hon.

mem­ in t�1e'.

}1 .


W hether_,it his speech that·: onJy · say th� it is a que���on of accounting on.

mem-, .. b,er.for Central· D©�ei.·ara'was the question ;wjll be worked fund, or whether we will fund as the hon.

member em.ployed,i tlot say.

W e have no instructions River (Mr. Eleafai·).

He.

i;,f aqcou;i.tin,K of the f1pd,-.

To that I can throughout .

grievous disappointment her for Berbiec has reiterated what he wants is to see money� in circula-instruc_tions.
it:would have as an unallocated tion all the time.

I thought to this Council with- be ordered to establish, been pretty obvious out my drumming it in with quite as much into which payments reiteration board 'feet of on that subject.·· I want to stress that if we purchased lumber from the local mills with· local.

are going into the open market to pur­ currency into circulation our not very great resources to purchase mg on credit, ti.mher from the United States at , .L dcpre-circulation.
ciated rnte of exchange.

and the hon.

member may be right, think that is just what we were trying to tiou in �,America instead .and at' a depreciated do.

we are not even buy­ and money will go into · If we do not do that the but I and ou1· 11;o�ey-will iigain'go into circula­ of in this Colony, I may be wrong lumber will have·to come from New York, more money.

chase sawn boards.
chase sawn boards.

vVe are going with a separate will be made I can­ 'with �oney in our hands; than if we attempted as yet that we we would he putting rate of exchange.

300,000 ·what the hon.

member has been refer­ Motion put, and agreed to.

experiment­ fund tipplied relief.

We in order in replacing employment.

and a.part fron:1 was a revolving That grant, of which spent in cm-ing and ring to as the.

Forest Trust was a grant for unemployment relief.


$25,000 was actually sawing by hand and seasoning ally to see if the work could be done on a large settle, as a grant fo1· unemployment ,vere told we must saw by lrn.nd to provide 'Ne had to do all Eh.at, that we were told vhat price the boq,rds must be sold at.

�t the present moment the fund shows "; · los� of about ;'$19_,000, and very nearly $60,000 revolved -in wages to the qnemployed ' impprted wood ,vhh loeal wood lLt the .
Public vVorlrn Department, Onderuceming We rnn at a lo:;s of about 1 eent per board foot, and then the fund revolved itsel{ out in much the same way as �h't�t of the Forest Trust.

The point wa·s also raised' l\y, the hon.

member for Cenh:�l ):j,y1Herara I am not a business man; OvJr.

De Aguiar).

1 have been told thu,t often "noM1{, ite.e,' fl.'

out you do not have to have a y.ery good business brain to rnalise that if I you.

'in✓st' do all that without you are bound to run at a loss.
vVe were not allowed \V orks Dep,1rtment lumber in the open market.

'l'he her for Berbice tiu1ber Newcastle.

the EductLtion and with the general to sell at prices at whid1 t.he Public out here we were carrying I think I have just said that Dy1iartmcnt, public.· River said that to deal with modern machinery was purchasing foreign hon.

me1u­ coal to t-' • ...... ,,,, .. t DISTRICT BY-LAWS, l!l39.
Mr. iVIACNIE (Commissioner : I beg to act_ing) and Local Government, move:- of Laboux r That, the Districts by_.

the Local Government authority Chaptet-84, as by confirmed.

printed By-Laws 1939, as made Board under the and circulated be here­ ·of the Local Government Ordinance, sulJjec� to an amendment of a printin� 57 (1), in the third, e.rror in.

RegullLtion l�� of,whtqh,the words "for the purpose of -,�ale " and the commas before and after, slwuk\ be dc�eted.
a,ppetLl' �ut · have bE1en included printing.

in the By-hLws m,Lde by the Board, Those words do not by error in councils and local authori­ _-I think it would be well for me to briefly explain 1the ne�d for these By-lMvs.

Since 1911 the village tiBs ltavc wo1•ked under By-laws made in ui11t.t 1w ar whlcArihave now been found to be qu�e� "unsui·llab1e;i .

About two or three years ago Mr1IJaing drafted the original df the By-laws w•hich are now before the Council.
by the Board and also by all local .mthori­ tiPs and by the District aml they will replace entirely They have been considered first Commi:;sioncrs1 the 1 �11 1,163 : :,�: By-La�, 1939 : OcTODSR, 1939.

Im,·.

Gov.

G. &holw,,hip, 1,164 INCREASED GOVERNMENT COUNTY SCHOLAR­ of certain it is provided with the exception which deal solely with public Under the Public Health .

By-laws, clauses health matters.

Ordinance dealing in opei·ati.on under the Public Rea.1th Regulations.
These By-laws have been · carefully sidered do not think I need Hay any more.
with public health should continue until regulations con­ by all the bodies concerned, and I that the By-laws are made :Mr. DE AGUIAR: I beg to move:­ Whereas there appears to be a general and a genuine awakening people of the Colony to provide with Secondary Education; desire among the their chidren And whereas there is a healthy response from the Primary number of entrants County Scholarship as evidenced by the of the and the results Examinations: Schools SHIPS.
Mr. ELEAZAR: I would like to second off son, and the hon.

mem­ I told him I intended the motion and compliment ber who has just sat down.

He is a chip from the old block, ,L clergymtLn's injunction obeys the scriptural apparently that you should court with your adversary.

me here before he started He courted and asked whether I would oppose the By-laws.

his motion.

That is a bit of wi8dom.

I do not however agree with him that the should be words " for the purpose deleted.
A man who kills a pig for Christ­ mas should not be compelled a member it, or take it to a :;laughter he was killing would have to h1ke it to the slaughter house.

The word that should be left out is the word " intended."

house, but if it for sale then of course ho of the local authority to examine to search for to second of sale " And whereas increase there is a continued the Pri­ attending in the number of children mary Schools.
And whereas vided annually to meet the needs insufficient n.nd are less in number than in the British and other Colonies West Indies the number of free places pro­ is for Secondary Education of these children, : the number of Government County of the regulation with the number of -Scholarships to this Council is of the should be made for and that opportun­ with a view to Be it resolved,-That that provision opinion increasing to twenty-four Scholarships ity should be taken to consider if necessary, re-adjustment dealing be awarded annually Berbice, of Demerara, Excellency fully requested Honourable Education early steps proposal.
the Acting Governor be respect­ to refer the matter to the and the the Director of Education that Committee be taken to givo effect with directions to this to each of the Counties Essequibo, and that His I would invite the attention of •hon.

of the motion, members to the preambles are sup­ and if the reasons ported by the facts I would ask them to give the motion their tion.

I think it will be generally desire among tha that there is .
,1 genuine for human con:;umption," people of the Colony to provide their from memory, education, children for human this desire is supported " and to omit the words " £or , there are many entrants of sale " in the draft, nor did the by the fact that at the ex­ with secondary stated therein favourable considera­ agreed and THE COLONIAL SECRETARY: speaking from memory, when the:;e llegula­ Speaking tious eame before the Local Government :Board the words " for the purpose did not appe,1r words "intended and it w,Ls decided, to insert the words " intended consumption the purpose of sale " because it wa:; felt which applies .
that the same Regulation by persou:; wishing to eat anima.ls should :1l80 apply to the 1neat themselves meat when it is put up for s,de.

It was therefore " intended not to include of sale."

deuided to insert the worcls " and for human cousuU1ption the words " for tlte purpose killed to which t,1ke place from time the number of of schools and more during the last three yeara- ,Lminations to time.
Furthermore the prim,Lry children attending the Colony has increased, especially 1936, 1937 and 1938, as the figures which In 1936 I propose to give will show.

there were 48,244 children schools of Demerara, quebo.

That number increased 49,322, and in 1938 them recorded, increase attending year being 50,26-!.

Berbice and Esse­ in 1937 to school at the end of the school in the primary was a further the number of children lYlr.
MACNIE: The words "for the of s,1le" they were deleted were in the 1911 By-laws purpose and, as the Colonial Secretary phtined, reason that animals should be treated way where a slaughter house the s,tllle for sale exi�ted, or not.

Ju�s ex­ for the definite whether they were killed in :MotioJL as ,1mended put, and agreed to.
The Regulations provide for 12 County tkholarships to be awarded annmLlly to of the m1cl in i-e8pect the three Couuti1"s, were ye�Lrs 1936 and 1937 the full numbe1· 1,165 11fotion LEGISLNTIVE COUNCIL.

-Inc,·.

Gov.

C. Scholcwships 1,166 year.

A nrnre important point 13 in the standard eight in 1937, and in were fully taken up no is that in addition to were made there were who actmtlly reached during that period, awarded.
In 1938 there were actually awards due to a lapsed scholarship previous to be considered those awards which a number of children scholarship standard but by reason of the fact that the number of scholarships awards could be made to those children.

The qualifying is that a child must obtain 60 per cent.

of the marks the Actually given at the examination.
position has been that in 1936 there were seven more children, 1938 the number rose to 36 in Demerara and 2 in Essequebo Still further, Demerara scholarship obtain the benefit.

I will quote so,ue further figures lest non.

member8 think that because the qualification scholarship is only 60 per cent.

of marks those childten standard Those children 1936 in Demernra, per cent.

of marks.
of marks.

In 1937 the percent­ age fell to 67.7, in 1938 it ro8e to 72.7, to record and in 1939 it is very pleasing of ni:u·ks that the percentn.ge gained by was tl 1. children who actually this year there were 40 in and 10 in Berbice who reached who were qualified in 79.3 actually obhLined were within that low figure.

but were umtble to scholarship who attained in Demerara qualified.
standard for the im­ in Trinidad considered the standard are of sufficient there are actually I think those two points I have men­ and the number of 40 scholnr­ education, what they would not think so.

who qualify, to obtain the support of hon.

tioned, children portance members for my motion.


It might be the number of thought· th,tt to increase County Scholarsips from 12 to 24 would be too great, but if ruernbe1·s obtains In Trinid,td ships ,.t present for socondn.ry There are v::tri.ous bodies giving scholar­ ships, are altogether the elementary school child every year.
Some time ,,go this Colony only awarded six scholarships to pupils of the primary schools, and the County number was inadequate, and the num­ Scholarships were introduced ber of scholarships increased to 12.

It seems to me the time has come when we should incre,ise and I am :mggesting tlmt should be i.11erca8ed the number to 24.
On the ground that number still further, but later it was realised 40 schol,1rnhips and in Trinidad ttnd Tobago there to ,w,tila,ble that tlmt that it is of of expense it might be thought inopportune to increase the expenses but I should like to remind the Colony, hon.

members that boys who win County Scholarships go to Queen's it is a question Government anothPr.

of taking money out of.


one pocket and putting it into College, so that out As regards is necessarv I think it is well and if adjustment the motion itself I am also dealing with to be awarded might be asking that the Regulation the number of scholarships to each of the three Counties with a view to adjustment if re-examined I am not suggesting necessary.

to day that some adjustment but it is required does seem to me that the matter might be considered, it might be done at the same time.
vVhiie I do not wish to do other candidates of their scholarships known that there have been candidates in Demerara have sat for the scholarship and actually renchecl scholnrship but were unable to obtain scholarships, while one of their more fortunate in anothe1· 8chola1·ship centage scholarship.
be remedied of schola.rship�, I have in mind, to m:i.ke but I am still asking that when the matter is referred that phase of it might be looked into with a view to mtLking any adjustment that might be considered of marks was able to receive That state of affairs might in the number County who had also reached st,mdarcl and it may not be necessary to the Depa1·tment the adjustment but with a lower per­ by an increase necessm·y.
concerned brothers Rtandard who a vVith your permission, sir, I would like amendment to the motion.

to nmke a slight I think it would be more happily worded if the words "early steps be taken to give effect to this propos,tl," last line, were deleted words substituted be given to the matter as soon as possible."

I think I have said enough to convey .

to hon.

members the <lesirability ing the numbc1· and the following " earnest considerntion of seholarships.
which occur in the of increas­ Mr. JACKSON : I have very · great in seconding the motion so ably pleasure moved by the hon.

member for Central Demerara (Mr. De Aguiar).

It is a motion that must appeal to the members of this Council; There has been a rn:narkable the attendance are cogent.

increase of pupils of the priniary his 1·e:tsons in 1,167 11!/o'tion ,\ 4 OCTOBER, 193!).

-Iner.

Gov.
-Iner.

Gov.

C. Scholarshi ps 1,168 on secondary education going of and for I can assure you, sit·, that to obtain free secondary , and I am quite sure the Director me, out w}len I say there increase is 12, and although we are of 100 per cent.

it that with such a large the schools, :schools will_ bear E�ucation ,ha,s been: a corresponding in 'efficiency generally.

I think the idea of 'makirfg it pdssil:lle for a larger number of 'pupils.
to have the opportunity.of going a is a very 'little higher in their education good one number indeed.

At present the of scholarships 'asking for an increase .should be understood number of pupils attending :with such a large number qualifying scholarships, Government woulrl be doing well by making it possible for a dozen , more .children education.

those of us who move among the that there has people are convinced been a remarkable in the desire of.
the people to obtain the education There are those who should provide sec.ondary edtication others who have promising who would no <lou'ut tunities to provide secondary children.

pupils of the primary schools good, and I am ,quite sure that a liberal of the people i8 a wonderful education ,asset to the Colony in general.

There is ·110 •need to say much on the question 'ca,use it should be evident to members of the Council that the increase si:nall.
comparatively were given them, but they are unable for their ; there are boys and girls It would be an incentive they can for their children.

themselves awU,kening make good education asked for is to make if oppor­ best to be­ Mr. ELEAZAR: There is very little to be said on the motion.

I think every­ body is in sympathy with it or ought to be.

I think the hon.

member for Deme­ rara River (]\fr.

this morning when he said it was not the dutv of Government edu.cation.
should be given an opportunity It is desirable to provide secondary that children King) made a mistake to obtain it.

and arithm9tic for that is th,it the curriculum to hold his own.

In these days i:s ren,son In the days I am speak­ too overcrowded.

ing about, when a boy went to Queen's he was sure that,in reading was going he goes with which he begin8 to forget when he gets there.

The .

Director might take the hint and enquire.

whether, th,1t is so.


I do not think Government at all to increasing ships; they :ue not so many after all.

a smattering will have any objection the number of sch0lar­ of knowleage •he it be Mr. KING: Lest by my silence 'to encour­ uf Government, nsking Government through the monetary secondary thought that I agree with the motion I desire to say I do not.
I all the more it because of regret that I cmmot support the fact that it has come from one of the memhers.. This· morning we had elected expenditure beyond the point, I think, of Government and here we have another instance control, where a member of this Council is seriously age nnd foster, support educa­ ti ou for boys and girls in this Colony.

I really think we are going too far on the question of educntion.
wishes to revise the policy of educa­ tion throughout ly of the opinion that secondary tion should be given to the people of tlte Colony, it is not fair to pick out one.

or two children who may appear bright but in after life may prove failures.

those who have been brilliant boys ttt school but those who have not always been at.

the top of the class who have been in after life.

rnccessful education secondary f for parents if they think they can af ord to , educate their children .standard.
VVe know that it is not always is a matter entfrely The question I£ Government and is honest­ the Colony, up to that educa­ of I would like to give a hint ·to the of Education.

Director I observe· 110\va­ days that a boy who wins .

a primary and goes to Queen's C'tillege scholarshi:p does not· alwavs come out on top at Queen's back. '

·It· is ; very often he til:ops a peculiar thing.


In my clay a boy who won a primary schola1'ship gener;{lly it up, and in nine cases out of' ten followed he won the British Guiana Scholarship.

It is the r�verse now, and I think one in br�ug­ I.do not think the mover of the motion 'has' ever made a less enthusiastic speech tha� h;_e has made this afternoon ing fo1,w�rcl this motion.
I am accustomed to hear him speak with far more eloquenco · and sincerity in his tone than he has done 'l).n7 the so1I1e\\ihat dead effort I had the mis­ to just now.

I can only fortune tconc'lude that his lack of enthusiasm was due to a lack of sincerity which .has ·,n:iade' one or two statements · rather surprised 'boy wins a scholarship me.

One is that when a and goes to Queen's on his part.

He to listen 1,169 Motion LEi;rsLATIVE COUNCIL, -I?icr.

G_ov.

C. Schola1·sh1:ps.


1,170 because, case of Government it is simply a I do not quite follow his did not i.f Government and that same boy went College tak�ng money out of one pocket und putting it into another.

argument give a scholarship · to Queen's College Government the benefit so that it woulcl be rea,lly to Government ships :,vere increased.

would get of fees he would have to pay, if the number of scholur­ a loss of revenue The hon.
'member lu1s aclvanced no argu­ will be disappointed of the I thillk s, under the l:egnlations that hou.

mPmbers are afraid the last speaker to hear that GovPrnment is preprired to That is to accept the motion as nmernlecl.

will give the e,wliest con­ say Government of increasing the to the question sirlon,tion from l:t to 24. number of scholarnhips With l'egard to thP allocation scholarsh1p exist at present four to aware that five go to Demernra, Berhice and three to Essequcbo.
It is that when this possible considererl of sc.

:holarships tl,at if tlw nun�bcl' Cl'eas!'

12 should be of awnrdcrl l am only in­ domicile.

the cm1dirlates' that the mover that it is possible forrnin.i;, that will bP done.

I ,tu1 ilOt :it the moment Gon:nuuent comrnitting tnking.

eudations may be made matter is further rcco111111 is in­ 0 J of but the but they otherwi» to that under­ to imagine of parPnt.s from 12 to 2-!.
He is a wealthy my gratitude can only give 4.0 with the Mr. D�; AGUJAH,: I wish first of all to he thinks that 24 scholarships in order of merit irrespective to make c I "·ould have f l to 2·1 the arklitional behalf but on behalf in this Colony.

HOn1· that my hon.

friend, Prnrn ]fiver (Mr. King) to Government for form, the motion in its au1ended of erlue,ition.

is so beyond comparison with ment why the number of 1,eholarship8 should be increased might well have asked for 200 or 2,000.
Presumably qould be better divided among 50,000 but I think the proportion children, who could obtain �ehol,trHhips children out of 50,000 would be HO small as not to be really worth while.

The hon.

member there are -!0 schobr­ said tlmt in Trinidad ships.

There ,we seven.!

UniversitiPs cxp:·r,ss know which arc well endowed and which ttccepti11g can give more h:,ndsome sehobrships, not only on my 011·11 whic.

:h t1re so poor tllf1t there are schools of the �hoUSfl,llfls they can give no sc.
:holat"Ships, I am verv give the same stand,ird member fo.r lkm Trinidad lms afforded me t.l1e opportunit>7 this Colony that it is impossible a few renmrks, that W6 can afford to give 24. scholMships the pleasure 8pared the Council when Trinidad I 8ltall ing to wrue of the rPplies money it has.

Trinidad to the debate.

I think his contribution place.

I was there only last week and it the hon.'

member overlooked the funda­ surprised whieh underlies the mental pl'iueiple They are spending generally.
It is in awa,rd of schoh,rships throwing for those order to provide The fact that they only award -1-0 scholnr­ ehildren whose pnrents ctt11110t afford to ships a year shows that they feel that tluit education.

seeoncla.ry provid(' number is ample, having regard to their People like the hon.

member cim·afford to resources.

Colony are :imple for the number of children here.

I ,tm against of Governmeut-aidHd If the Colony is going to provitl and _give it, to let it he gt•nerou:.
; education any and ·pverybody.

In some cas\'S it is of cltilrlren to very much to thfl rlet,·iment A boy education.

give them seeonrlary goes through a primary school and l,e i:; suddenly thrown into seeonchiry a thing he never "·:mtecl docs him harm. ]

t is far better fo1· them to Y,in G out of 12 schohrships than to to win 24.
It is much have an opportunity to win one prize out of more creditable o;w out of 100. tlrnn to ,1-in 100,000 member to say that the�e scholnrships going to lJe Ji111it poorer cbs8es, children?

the hon.

Mr. KING: Do I underst11nd are ed to the childre n of the or wi 11 they be open .to all secondaryeduca­ tlwir chilrlr<'nwith but there ar,· h1·ge nurnhm-s of people Colony who c:umot afford to do the for their cl,ildren.

·provide t.ion, in this snrne thing me to see how it has developed.
money, but they are not secondary educ.:at.ion.

e secondal'_V thPse scholar­ mentnl principle ships is to afford nn opportunity whose parents cannot provide chilrll'en them with secondary afr:1itl attention the hon.

member pays very little to what is · being said in this Mr. DF.

AGUIAH: I sui,J the funda­ TIIE COLONIAL SECRETARY I think 12 scholat·ships of listen­ make to it away on secondary an opportunity , and it sometimes education.

education, education.


underlying them with this sys!.em in this : I um I am for 1,171 Incr.Gov.C.Schola1·ships 4- OCTOBER, 1939.

8ec.Com.1·eB.H.S.G1·ant 1,172 and I am of bck of reusons and sincerity I think the points were well put, to say that those reasons were sorry, hut I can to assist him any by those hon.

members who my speech.

If the Council.

I gave several very pleased supported immediately followed hon.

member could not ,tppreciate my points I am exceedingly hardly be expected further.
and as regards his suggestion enthusiasm must remind him thnt towards Temarks I could hardly hear him.

his ow� This morning I think we could have him 50 yards away.

All over the "�urld it is recognised tha,t scholarships offered to pupils as a means of improving it is extremely and I consider their outlook, reactionary say anything need not take a schola,rship want it.

Having 1·eached standard scholarship .

he need not take the scholarship fot· any member to attempt to the contrary.
A pupil in my speech I if he does not hea1·d the end of are to appreciate the value of scholar­ of the primary I do wish to express my grati­ for accepting probably ships awm·ded to children schools.

tude to Government motion, supported poor ,rncl unfortunate saddled with the education children.

to those members who it.

In doing so I include those parents who :ire 0£ their and also my Motion as a1;:ended put, and agreed to.

Tim l:'H.�:::lIDE�'l': 'rhe hon.


member (Mr. C. V. Wight) for Western Essequebo iH not in his place.

'I'he motion standing in his name on the Order Paper is there­ fore deferred.

8ELEC'l' Co�Il\JITTEE re B. H. S. GnAN'l'.

J3efore Council adjourns I wish to the members of the Select Com­ noinina,te mittee which was approved eo1rnider to the Bishop's members of.

the Committee the motion for an increased Hig11 School for GirL�.
The are :- grant by Council to Mr. Crnase (Director of "'Education), Chairm,LU.

There was one other point.

The hon.

A ,iny further The increase in the nurnlier of would give .i poo1· child ,rn to use its qualifications.

member refened to poor students.


suggested scholarships opportunity boy m"'y be a bright schohr but too poor to proceed with his c•dueiit A scholarship tunity to continue glad that 110 other wember saw wisdom in the remm·ks feel sure that if he obtained advice from those who itre more competent matters an opinion would affol'd hi1u an oppor­ his studies.

to express he would of the hon.

member, and I on educational I ani vel'y ion.

The lVlernber for Georgetown South (Mr. J.Gons<1lves).
The Member for Eastern Demerara (Mr. H. C. Humphrys).

Mr. J·.

vV.

Jackson, Martin-Sperry.

and Mr. F. H. The Couneil adjourned sine die.