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Volume III No.

7 Tuesday 23rd August, 1966 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) OFFICIAL REPORT THIRD SESSION OF THE SECOND PARLIAMENT OF MALAYSIA CONTENTS ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 1373] MOTION: The Development (Supplementary) (No.
1) Estimates, 1966 [Col. 1403] Heads 103 and 105 [Col. 1448] Heads 106 and 107 [Col. 1449] Heads 114 and 115 [Col. 1454] Head 118 [Col. 1456] Head 120 [Col. 1457] Heads 126,129 and 130 [Col. 1461] Head 134 [Col. 1471] Heads 137 and 143 [Col. 1472] Heads 145,146,147 and 148 [Col. 1498] MALAYSIA DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) Official Report Third Session of the Second Dewan Ra'ayat Tuesday, 23rd August, 1966 The House met at Ten o'clock a.m.
PRESENT: The Honourable Mr Speaker, DATO' CHIK MOHAMED YUSUF BIN SHEIKH ABDUL RAHMAN, S.P.M.P., J.P., Dato' Bendahara, Perak.

the Prime Minister, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, Y.T.M.

TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M.

(Kuala Kedah).

the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence and Minister of National and Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N.

(Pekan).
(Pekan).

the Minister of Home Affairs and Minister of Justice, TUN DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, S.S.M., P.M.N.

(Johor Timor).

the Minister of Finance, TUAN TAN SIEW SIN, J.P. (Melaka Tengah).

the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, TAN SRI V. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N.

(Sungei Siput).

the Minister of Transport, TAN SRI HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N.

(Pontian Utara).

the Minister of Health, TUAN BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah).
the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan).

the Minister for Welfare Services, TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT A LI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang).

the Minister for Local Government and Housing, TUAN KHAW KAI-BOH, PJ.K.

(Ulu Selangor).

the Minister of Labour, TUAN V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., PJ.K.

(Klang).

the Minister of Information and Broadcasting, TUAN SENU BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Kubang Pasu Barat).
the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, TUAN HAJI MOHD.

GHAZALI BIN HAJI JAWI (Ulu Perak).

the Minister of Lands and Mines, TUAN ABDUL-RAHMAN BIN YA'KUB (Sarawak).

1367 23 AUGUST 1966 1368 The Honourable the Minister for Sabah Affairs, TUN MUSTAPHA BIN DATU HARUN, S.M.N., P.D.K.

(Sabah).

the Assistant Minister without Portfolio, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara).

the Assistant Minister of National and Rural Development, TUAN SULAIMAN BIN BULON (Bagan Datoh).
the Assistant Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ABDUL KADIR, J.M.N., S.M.T., P J .

K. (Trengganu Tengah).

the Assistant Minister of Education, TUAN LEE SIOK Y E W, A.M.N., P J .

K. (Sepang).

the Assistant Minister of Finance, DR NG KAM POH, J.P. (Teluk Anson).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health, TUAN IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Labour, TUAN LEE SAN CHOON, K.M.N.

(Segamat Selatan).
(Segamat Selatan).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance, TUAN A LI BIN HAJI AHMAD (Pontian Selatan).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Deputy Prime Minister, TUAN CHEN WING SUM (Damansara).

TUAN ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N.

(Melaka Utara).

TUAN ABDUL KARIM BIN ABU, A.M.N.

(Melaka Selatan).

WAN ABDUL KADIR BIN ISMAIL, P.P.T.

(Kuala Trengganu Utara).

WAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN DATU TUANKU BUJANG, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB, P J .

K. (Kuantan).
K. (Kuantan).

TUAN HAJI ABDUL RASHID BIN HAJI JAIS (Sabah).

TUAN ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSSIN (Lipis).

TUAN ABDUL SAMAD BIN G UL AHMAD MIANJI (Pasir Mas Hulu).

DATO' ABDULLAH BIN ABDULRAHMAN, Dato' Bijaya di-Raja (Kuala Trengganu Selatan).

TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD.

SALLEH, A.M.N., S.MJ., P.I.S.

(Segamat Utara).

TUAN HAJI A BU BAKAR BIN HAMZAH, J.P. (Bachok).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH, S.M.K.

(Kelantan Hilir).

TUAN AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N.

(Muar Utara).


TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAAID, J.P. (Seberang Utara).

PUAN AJIBAH BINTI ABOL (Sarawak).

O.K.K.

DATU ALIUDDIN BIN DATU HARUN, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

TUAN AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam).

TUAN JONATHAN BANGAU ANAK RENANG, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

PENGARAH BANYANG ANAK JANTING, P.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N.

(Kluang Selatan).

TUAN CHAN SIANG SUN, A.M.N., P J .

K. (Bentong).

TUAN CHEW BIOW CHUON, J.P. (Bruas).


1369 23 AUGUST 1966 1370 The Honourable TUAN CHIA CHIN SHIN, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN FRANCIS CHIA NYUK TONG (Sabah).

TUAN CHIN FOON (Ulu Kinta).

TUAN C. V. DEVAN NAIR (Bungsar).

TUAN D. A. DAGO ANAK RANDAN alias DAGOK ANAK RANDEN (Sarawak).

TUAN SYED ESA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S.

(Batu Pahat Dalam).

DATIN HAJJAH FATIMAH BINTI HAJI ABDUL MAJID (Johor Bahru Timor).

TAN SRI FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N.

(Jitra-Padang Terap).


TUAN S. FAZUL RAHMAN, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

TUAN GANING BIN JANGKAT (Sabah).

TUAN GEH CHONG KEAT, K.M.N.

(Penang Utara).

TUAN HAJI HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N., P J .

K. (Kapar).

TUAN HANAFI BIN MOHD.

YUNUS, A.M.N., J.P. (Kulim Utara).

TUAN HANAFIAH BIN HUSSAIN, A.M.N.

(Jerai).

TUAN HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N., J.P. (Baling).

WAN HASSAN BIN WAN DAUD (Tumpat).

TUAN STANLEY HO NYUN KHIU, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

TUAN HUSSEIN BIN T O' MUDA HASSAN, A.M.N.

(Raub).

DATO' HAJI HUSSEIN BIN MOHD.


NOORDIN, D.P.M.P., A.M.N., PJ.K.

(Park).

TUAN HUSSEIN BIN SULAIMAN (Ulu Kelantan).

TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN, S.M.K.

(Kota Bharu Hulu).

TUAN IKHWAN ZAINI (Sarawak).

TUAN ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan).

TAN SRI SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, P.M.N.

(Johor Tenggara).

PENGHULU JINGGUT ANAK ATTAN, Q.M.C., A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN THOMAS KANA (Sarawak).

TUAN KHOO PENG LOONG (Sarawak).

TUAN LEE SECK FUN, K.M.N.

(Tanjong Malim).


TUAN AMADEUS MATHEW LEONG, A.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).

DATO' LING BENG SIEW, P.N.B.S.

(Sarawak).

DR LIM CHONG EU (Tanjong).

TUAN LIM PEE HUNG, PJ.K.

(Alor Star).

DR MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMAD (Kota Star Selatan).

TUAN T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson).

TUAN C. JOHN ONDU MAJAKIL (Sabah).

DATO' DR HAJI MEGAT KHAS, D.P.M.P., J.P., P J .

K. (Kuala Kangsar).

TUAN MOHD.

ARIF SALLEH, A.D.K.

(Sabah).


1371 23 AUGUST 1966 1372 The Honourable ORANG TUA MOHAMMAD DARA BIN LANGPAD (Sabah).

TUAN MOHD.

DAUD BIN ABDUL SAMAD (Besut).

TUAN MOHAMED IDRIS BIN M A T S I L, J.M.N., P.J.K., J.P. (Jelebu-Jempol).

TUAN MOHD.

TAHIR BIN ABDUL MAJID, S.M.S., P J .

K. (Kuala Langat).

TUAN MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N.

(Temerloh).

TUAN MOHD.

ZAHIR BIN HAJI ISMAIL, J.M.N.

(Sungai Patani).

WAN MOKHTAR BIN AHMAD (Kemaman).


TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan).

TUAN MUHAMMAD FAKHRUDDIN BIN HAJI ABDULLAH (Pasir Mas Hilir).

TUAN HAJI MUHAMMAD SU'AUT BIN HAJI MUHD.

TAHIR, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

DATO' HAJI MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI ABDUL JABAR, D.P.M.S., A.M.N., J.P. (Sabak Bemam).

TUAN MUSTAPHA BIN AHMAD (Tanah Merah).

TAN SRI N IK AHMAD KAMIL, D.K., S.P.M.K., SJ.M.K., P.M.N., P.Y.G.P., Dato' Sri Setia Raja (Kota Bharu Hilir).

TUAN NG FAH YAM (Batu Gajah).


TUAN ONG KEE H UI (Sarawak).

TUAN OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Perlis Utara) TUAN HAJI RAHMAT BIN HAJI DAUD, A.M.N.

(Johor Bahru Barat).

TUAN RAMLI BIN OMAR (Krian Darat).

TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD.

SAID, PJ.K., J.P. (Rembau-Tampin).

RAJA ROME BIN RAJA MA'AMOR, PJ.K., J.P. (Kuala Selangor).

TUAN SANDOM ANAK NYUAK (Sarawak).

TUAN SEAH TENG NGIAB, P.I.S.

(Muar Pantai).

TUAN D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh).

DATO' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM, D.P.M.P., P.M.P., J.P. (Menglembu).
TUAN SENAWI BIN ISMAIL, PJ.K.

(Seberang Selatan).

TUAN SNG CHIN JOO (Sarawak).

TUAN SOH AH TECK (Batu Pahat).

TUAN SULAIMAN BIN A LI (Dungun).

TUAN SULAIMAN BIN HAJI TAIB (Krian Laut).

PENGIRAN TAHIR PETRA (Sabah).

TUAN TAJUDIN BIN A L I, P J .

K. (Larut Utara).

TUAN TAI KUAN YANG (Kulim Bandar Bharu).

TUAN TAMA WENG TINGGANG WAN (Sarawak).

DR TAN CHEE KHOON (Batu).

TUAN TAN TOH HONG (Bukit Bintang).

TUAN TAN TSAK YU (Sarawak).


1373 23 AUGUST 1966 1374 The Honourable TUAN TIAH ENG BEE (Kluang Utara).

TUAN TOH THEAM HOCK (Kampar).

TUAN YEH PAO TZE (Sabah).

TUAN STEPHEN YONG KUET TZE (Sarawak).

TUAN HAH ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD.

TAIB, P J .

K. (Langat).

ABSENT: The Honourable the Minister of Education, TUAN MOHAMED KHIR JOHARI (Kedah Tengah).

the Minister for Sarawak Affairs, TAN SRI TEMENGGONG JUGAH ANAK BARIENG, P.M.N., P.D.K.

(Sarawak).

Y.A.M.
(Sarawak).

Y.A.M.

TUNKU ABDULLAH IBNI AL-MARHUM TUANKU ABDUL RAHMAN, P.P.T.

(Rawang).

DR AWANG BIN HASSAN, S.MJ.

(Muar Selatan).

TUAN CHAN SEONG YOON (Setapak).

TUAN EDWIN ANAK TANGKUN (Sarawak).

DATU GANIE GILONG, P.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).

TUAN KADAM ANAK KIAI (Sarawak).

TUAN KAM WOON WAH, J.P. (Sitiawan).

TUAN EDMUND LANGGU ANAK SAGA (Sarawak).

TUAN LIM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat).

TUAN PETER LO SU Y IN (Sabah).

TUAN JOSEPH DAVID MANJAJI (Sabah).


DATO' HAJI MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA, S.P.M.K (Pasir Puteh).

TUAN HAJI OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Hilir Perak).

TUAN QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Timor).

TUAN SIM BOON LIANG, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN SIOW LOONG HIN, PJ.K.

(Seremban Barat).

TUAN TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan).

TUAN TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka).


P R A Y E RS in 1965 out of (Mr Speaker in the Chair) O R AL A N S W E RS TO Q U E S T I O NS APPOINTMENTS OF NON- MALAYS TO THE MALAYAN CIVIL the number of 23 direct entries and 20 promotion to the M.C.S.

; total (b) what is the number of non- Malay applications and did not all of them possess the requisite qualifications for appointment to the M.C.S., and the constitutional provision not adhered to.
SERVICE The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, there were, in fact,four non-malays (c) Why was 1.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu) asks the Prime Minister to state: who were admitted to the Civil Ser- (a) the reasons for the intake of only vice—not three: the Honourable Mem- three non-Malay M.C.S.

officers ber, probably, was misled by the name 1375 23 AUGUST 1966 1376 of one of the officers—in actual fact, this officer is an Indian Muslim, and with him the total is four.
Thus, this is in accordance with the provision of the Constitution, which provides that the Yang di-Pertuan Agong, by virtue of his prerogative, shall exercise such protection for the Malays in the Civil Service in accordance with the ratio which had been agreed to, which is four Malays to one non-Malay.

the to part three of requisite qualifications The number of non-Malay applica tions was 59.

The applications were short-listed to 31.

Of this number, four were selected in 1965.


On the question as to whether the non-Malays posses for sed appointment to the M.C.S., they had; otherwise, they would not have applied, and nor would they be eligible for being short-listed.

With regard the question as to why was the constitu tional provision not adhered to, there is no such constitutional provision, and I do not know which particular provision the Honourable Member is referring to.
What had been done was strictly in accordance with the Consti tution.

Article 153 of the Constitution, as I said just now, provides that the special position of the Malays in the Public Service shall be upheld, or shall be protected, by the Yang di-Pertuan Agong as to what proportion he deems reasonable, is made—this, as I said, is on a ratio of 4 to 1. selection then and Further, Sir, paragraph 1 (b) of the Scheme of Sendee for promotion to the M.C.S.
sets out the procedure of pro motion for officers to the M.C.S.

in respect of another Scheme of Service and that is the Malay Administrative Service in the States, which were before the Federated Malay States.

These officers are not subject to this ratio.

On the subject of promotion, there is no discrimination whatsoever.

Under the Service Promotion Scheme they all possess the same right to be promoted in accordance with the seniority of their posts.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, since the Honourable Prime Minis ter mentioned that there was no dis crimination in the Civil Service once a person has already entered the Civil Service, then may I ask the Honour able Prime Minister whether he is aware that the appointment—and here Mr Speaker, Sir, I have no grudge against any appointee that I may men tion—of the new Chief Education Adviser, jumping over the heads of about 25 persons, has caused a good deal of dismay among serving officers in the Civil Service, and also whether he is aware that the Deputy C.E.A.
was conveniently kicked upstairs, out side this country, to make way for the present incumbent?

from to reply, because The Deputy Prime Minister (Tun Haji Abdul Razak): Mr Speaker, Sir, the I have asked permission Prime Minister I this case.

The know a little bit of Deputy Chief Education Adviser was sent abroad to an important post with his agreement, and this post of Chief Education Adviser is a designated post and it is a matter for the Govern ment the most suitable candidate.
I think this is principally a matter for the Minister of Education, and it is for him to consider the most suitable person for this particular post.
to consider Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, may I ask the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister whether it is a fact that the new incumbent has jumped over the heads of about 20-plus people to his present appointment, and whether the people ahead of him, for example, Assistant Chief Education Advisers, were all considered not fit for this post in preference to the present incumbent?

in the most Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Sir, this has happened many the past.
times When we have to select a Head of to Department, naturally, we have select to suitable officer occupy the post; and although seniority is into consideration, other qualities also have to be taken into consideration.

There was an instance some years back where an officer who was No.

41 on the list was promoted to be Head of Department.
taken Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Following up on that Mr Speaker, Sir, may I ask the 1377 23 AUGUST 1966 1378 Honourable Deputy Prime Minister, since the Honourable Prime Minister has opened the door for me to ask such questions, whether the Honour able Deputy Minister is aware of the that in the Telecommunications fact the Acting Director- Department, General, who has been acting in that post for, perhaps, the last three years is now about to be sent out to Geneva, and the Deputy Director-General who has been acting for a long time is about to be sent to the Bornean States, making way for another person very low down in the list?
The Prime Minister: I am not aware of that.

The Honourable Member appears to be very much in informa tion where service matters are con cerned.

But I will examine the question and will give him an answer in due course.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: I am very obliged to the Prime Minister for his assurance, I bring these matters up not because I have anything personal against the new appointees concerned, but because it is promotions like these that cause great dismay amongst the Civil Servants and particularly now when departmental heads have powers to promote .

.

.. Mr Speaker: Are you making a speech or are you asking a supplemen tary question?
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: I am asking both the the Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister whether they these appointments, I are aware of have learnt on very reliable authority of the moves in the Telecommunica tions Department.

If these appoint ments are true, and indeed they are true, then an assurance from both the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister to this House that no dis crimination was intended will reassure the Civil Servants sitting behind the ministerial benches.
ON THE SPOT DONATIONS BY MINISTERS (Sarawak) 2.

Tuan Ong Kee Hui [under Standing Order 24 (2)] asks the Prime Minister whether the for Alliance Government's Ministers to make on the spot dona tions from public funds when visiting any part of the country.
it is policy Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Mr Speaker, Sir, it is not the policy of the Govern ment for Ministers to make on the spot donations from public funds, but it is the practice adopted by Ministers, particularly myself, that when we visit districts or rural areas, if there are urgent projects, if minor projects require immediate implementation, we normally allocate funds for the imple mentation of such projects.
Dato' S. P. Seenivasagam (Meng- lembu): Is it not a form of bribery when such on the spot donations are made during the course of elections while election campaigns are going on in the constituency?

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: It is not— is an evidence of certainly not.

It efficient administration {Laughter).

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah (Bachok): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan tambahan.
Ada-kah Timbalan Perdana Menteri kita sedar bahawa chara mem beri bantuan demikian itu telah pun menimbulkan beberapa kesulitan di- dalam tempat2 yang di-lakukan itu?

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak ada kesulitan, bahkan ra'ayat di-tempat itu sangat suka men- serta-merta dapat bantuan dengan (Tepok).
Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Saya tidak bermaksud hendak ber- tanya sama ada ra'ayat suka, atau pun tidak, bukan sahaja ra'ayat, saya pun suka, tetapi chara memberi "on the spot" bagitu sudah menimbulkan be berapa kesulitan di-dalam penggunaan wang itu dan saya tidak suka ber- chakap dalam Dewan ini.

Kalau Tim balan Perdana Menteri bersetuju, saya akan menulis dengan terang.

Saya tidak mahu membochorkan benda2 yang tidak elok itu.
1379 23 AUGUST 1966 1380 Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang tidak ada ke- di-Pertua, biasa-nya sulitan, sebab sa-belum di-beri per untokan, ranchangan itu telah di-sedia- kan oleh pegawai yang bertanggong- jawab, hanya-lah apabila ranchangan itu telah sedia dan peruntokan wang di-kehendaki, baharu-lah peruntokan wang di-beri.
Dato' S. P. Seenivasagam: When I suggested that it was a form of bribery to make donations while an election campaign was going on, the Honour able Deputy Prime Minister said that it was a sign of efficiency.

Would the Government state why this sense of efficiency arises during the course of campaigning?

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Because we do this all the time—not only near elections (Laughter) but all the time: even now we do it.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Soalan tam- bahan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.
Wang di-beri kapada ra'ayat oleh Kerajaan, kata Timbalan Perdana Menteri sangat suka oleh ra'ayat, sa-balek-nya betul- kah wang di-beri kapada ra'ayat sangat suka oleh Kerajaan Pusat untok me- menangi pilehan raya?

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dua2 suka (Ketawa).

Tuan Ong Kee Hui: Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like to ask the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister whether these on the spot donations would not make nonsense of our planning?

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: No, Sir.


We have our Development Plans and we implement the Development Plans strictly in accordance with priorities, but there are urgent minor projects which require immediate implementa tion, and that is why when we visit the areas where there are such projects we approve allocations immediately.

DA'AYAH PENUNTUT2 MALAY SIA DI-MEKAH MEMBUROKKAN KERAJAAN MALAYSIA 3.
Dato' Haji Mustapha bin Haji Abdul Jabar (Sabak Bernam) bertanya kapada Menteri Luar Negeri ada-kah beliau sedar bahawa ada tudohan ter- hadap sa-bilangan daripada penuntut2 Malaysia di-Mekah, Saudi Arabia, yang mengatakan mereka telah men- jalankan da'ayah, memburok2kan nama jika baik Kerajaan Malaysia, dan sedar, sudah-kah Kerajaan menjalan- kan penyiasatan atas tudohan ini dan apa-kah tindakan yang telah di-ambil.
yang yang Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, Kerajaan sedar di-atas penun tut2—sa-bilangan kechil—di- telah memburok2kan Mekah nama baik Kerajaan dan negeri-nya sendiri.

Tetapi, tidak-lah dapat Kera jaan hendak buat atau menjalankan apa2 itu, tindakan kapada mereka melainkan kalau terang kapada Kera jaan mereka itu bekerja dengan seteru untok hendak mengancham negeri-nya sendiri.
Tetapi, Kerajaan Saudi Arabia ada- lah Kerajaan yang bersahabat dengan Kerajaan Malaysia dan dengan kerana itu segala da'ayah2 yang di-bawa oleh penuntut2 kita di-situ tidak di-ambil berat atau di-ambil perhatian langsong oleh orang2 di-Saudi Arabia, chuma- nya da'ayah itu di-jalankan antara mereka sendiri, yang nampak-nya ber- lainan di-atas pandangan dasar politik.

Jadi, dengan kerana da'ayah itu tidak dapat-lah hendak di-jalankan apa2 tin dakan di-atas mereka itu.
Sunggoh pun bagitu Duta Besar kita di-sana ada-lah menjalankan sadikit nasehat2 kapada mereka, jangan-lah buat peker- jaan2 yang melampau daripada batas.

Jadi, saya nampak sa-takat itu sahaja yang kita boleh buat.

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Soalan tambahan, Tuan Yang di- Pertua.

Ada-kah Yang Amat Mulia Perdana Menteri kita sedar bahawa soal yang sa-macham ini di-bawakan di-dalam Parlimen, menchemarkan lagi nama kita di-luar negeri, kerana re action pelajar2 itu akan memunchak.
Kerana masaalah berlainan pendapat ini bukan sahaja berlaku di-luar negeri, tetapi di-dalam universiti di-Malaya kita pun berlaku.

Kalau-lah, kerana pelajar2 yang kita pandang maseh budak2 dan anak2 kita itu berbedza sadikit sa-banyak pendapat, apa-kah 1381 23 AUGUST 1966 1382 Parlimen kita mesti bertindak sampai bagini rupa—ada-kah Perdana Menteri kita sedar bahawa soal yang macham ini rugi-nya lebeh banyak daripada untong?
Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, memang-lah dalam negeri yang ini, Parlimen berchorak demokrasi ada-lah satu tempat yang kita ber- binchang berbagai2 hal—keehil, besar, sulit dan terang.

Jadi, soalan yang di- bawa oleh Yang Berhormat itu tidak yang luar daripada biasa-nya.

Jadi, apa yang saya jawab, sa-takat yang berpatutan dan tidak chuba hendak memburok2kan orang2 atau pun beri nama siapa2 yang menjalankan da'ayah2 terhadap negeri-nya sendiri.
TOPPLING OF THE IAN SMITH REGIME, SOUTHERN RHODESIA 4.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minis ter of Foreign Affairs what steps has the Government taken or proposes to take to topple the Ian Smith regime in Southern Rhodesia.

the government The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, Malaysia is so small, and we are so peaceful, that we do not want to any topple country—bad or good.
However, I can tell the Honourable Member the part taken by to help this Government other countries to outlaw the Smith Government—and this has been going on quite effectively.

of to and The Malaysian Government, since the Ian Smith regime seized indepen dence illegally in November, 1965, had this unilateral refused recognise action and the independence of the State of Rhodesia claimed to exist by Mr Smith his Government.
this, passports and visas Following issued by the rebel regime have not been recognised, and any letter, parcel, or anything, coming from that Govern ment is not accepted—or in the case of letters, they are surcharged, in the sense that we accept them as if they have come without being stamped.

That is the most that we can do.


Then, again, under the Prohibition of Imports and Exports (South Rhodesia) Order, 1965—and that is for Eastern Malay sia as well—the importation into and the exportation from Malaysia of all goods, which are consigned from or to Rhodesia, or any territory adminis tered by Rhodesia, have been abso lutely prohibited.

The provisions are Malaysia-wide and have the effect of a total trade ban on Rhodesia.
to attend For the moment, this is all Malay sia and other Commonwealth coun tries can do in dealing with the situa tion.

Very soon I shall be leading a delegation the Common wealth Prime Ministers' Conference from the 6th to the 15th of September, and this Conference will make an up-to- date assessment of the effectiveness of the sanction and other measures so far taken against Rhodesia.
In that Con ference, I suppose, many things will be suggested on how we can make the the Smith regime measures against more effective.

That is all we can do.

We cannot be expected, as the Hon ourable Member suggests, to topple the Smith Government on our own.

We have to work with the other nations, with Afro-Asia, and we have to im pose sanctions on the Smith Govern ment.
that, at Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, does the Honourable Prime Mini ster not agree the Lagos Commonwealth Conference early this year at which the Malaysian Govern the whole Con ment was present, ference was taken for a ride by Mr Wilson, when he promised the economic measures would be effective by July this year?

Mr Speaker, Sir, is the Prime Minister the Honourable aware that July has come and gone and perhaps the Ian Smith regime is as strong as ever?
that The Prime Minister: Well, I know that July has come and gone, but I do not know whether the Smith Govern ment is as healthy as suggested by the Honourable Member.

in Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, the catalogue of measures taken by this Government against the Ian Smith regime, can the Honourable Prime Minister tell us whether Rhode- sian tobacco has not been imported by 1383 23 AUGUST 1966 1384 Rothmans or Malayan Tobacco?
Can he give us an assurance, Mr Speaker, Sir, because he can easily check up?

The Prime Minister: I can give that assurance because I was told that no more tobacco from Rhodesia has been ordered this country.
importation into for this country has Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Can the Honourable Prime Minister tell us in what measures mind, in co-operation with other Afro- Asian countries who are against this illegal Ian Smith regime, to topple it, or does this Government rule out the use of force to topple the Ian Smith regime?

I dare flesh and blood as I may be wrong and The Prime Minister: Well, we do not rule out anything.
But, as I said, the use of force against another country is something that must be avoided at every possible cost, because the re percussion as a result will be very, very serious.

We know what force has done to the people in a country where force is used.

Therefore, we do not want to encourage it.

And, above all, the Honourable Member must remem ber that the people of Rhodesia are the the same say— people of Britain.
perhaps, I if any stand to be corrected—that Prime Minister of Britain were to propose the use of force against such a regime, he will not stay where he is one day longer.

Another thing is that I do not think the British people themselves would arms against those people—this is my per sonal opinion.

If the British people or the British Government, to which the Smith Government was a colony, would not take such action, I do not see why we should do it, and there is no reason why we should do it.
We are not as near as that.

On the other hand, as I said, we cannot rule out anything.

If it is going to bring benefit and peace to the world, we have got to make our fair contribution.

But I, for one, say I am against the use of force for anything.
take up Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, while I agree with the Honourable internationally, does Prime Minister on the use of force to solve any problem, whether domesti cally or the Honourable Prime Minister not agree with the use of force to rule, because the pigmentation of one's skin is a very dangerous thing, as we have seen it in the postulation of Aryan supre macy by Hitler before World War II?

The Prime Minister: I do not think he wants a reply from me.
MENAREK BALEK PENG- IKTIRAFAN NEGARA ISRAEL 5.

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah bertanya kapada Menteri Luar Negeri: (a) sama ada Kerajaan sudah meng- langkah2 untok menarek ambil balek pengiktirafan-nya ka-atas negara Israel; dan (b) sama ada Kerajaan sedar bahawa pengiktirafan Malaysia ka-atas Negara Israel itu telah menche- markan nama baik Malaysia di- negara2 Arab kalangan dan Negara2 Islam yang lain.
Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, bagi menjawab soal itu tidak perlu Malaysia membuat apa2 langkah untok menarek balek pengiktirafan ka- atas Israel kerana sunggoh pun kita mengiktiraf sa-buah tidak mengiktirafkan negara, Kerajaan-nya.

Maka dengan kerana itu kita tidak ada pun perhubongan diplomatik dengan Kerajaan Israel.
sa-bagai Israel kita sedar Berkenaan dengan soal yang kedua, Kerajaan kita tidak sedar tentang hal yang di-katakan di-sini, sama ada Kerajaan Malaysia bahawa pengiktirafan Malaysia ka-atas negara Israel itu telah memchemarkan nama baik Malaysia di-kalangan negara2 lain.
Arab dan negara Islam yang Yang kita itu ada-lah berhubong baik dengan kita juga menaroh perasaan kaseh- dan mesra dan muhibbah terhadap kita kerana apabila kita menjemput mereka baik pun mengambil bahagian di- dalam pertandingan membacha Quran atau membuka Masjid Negara kita, semua mereka datang dan apabila kita tahu semua negara2 1385 23 AUGUST 1966 1386 ada apa2 hubongan dengan mereka itu, semua-nya mereka memberikan sam- butan yang baik.
Jadi tudohan di- keluarkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu sama sa-kali tidak berasas, Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soal tambahan.

Saya terpaksa membetulkan bahawa ini ada-lah pertanyaan bukan tudohan, jadi soal tambahan-nya bagini.

Yang saya sebutkan menchermarkan nama baik kita bukan maksud saya supaya Kerajaan ini bertindak hendak topplekan Kerajaan Israel sa-bagai- mana yang di-tanyakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Batu—tidak sampai bagitu sentiment saya dalam pertanyaan ini.
Tetapi masaalah Israel dengan masaalah Ian Smith dan negeri2 Afrika, tindakan Kerajaan kita sudah berbedza antara kedua buah negara itu yang saya pun tidak dapat hendak berkata sa-jauh mana kebe- naran, tetapi berlaku di-negeri Egypt yang budak2 kita dan orang2 kita sana mendapat surat ugutan bunoh dan saya tidak tahu sa-jauh mana dan saya perchaya Yang Teramat Mulia Perdana Menteri mendapat laporan daripada Duta kita.
Jadi kedudokan-nya di-sini tidak adil-nya kita membuat ia-lah langkah2 menghadapi kedua buah negara—itu yang saya katakan men- chemarkan nama baik kita.

sudah menchukupi Tuan Yang di-Pertua, untok men- tafsirkan menchemarkan nama baik kita agak-nya bahawa orang2 kita di-luar negeri itu sa-hingga mendapat ugutan bunoh Polis pun terpaksa bertindak dan ini dapat kita tahu kenyataan yang sa- benar-nya, sa-jauh mana kebenaran itu daripada Duta kita.
Itu maksud yang saya bertanya itu dan saya dapat-lah memberi jaminan kapada Yang Ter amat Mulia Perdana Menteri ini, sa- waktu saya pergi itu banyak saya menolong Kerajaan ini menyelamatkan nama baik kita (Tepok).

Perdana Menteri: Terima kaseh banyak2 kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat, senang sadikit kalau dia meminta hendak melawat keluar negeri kita boleh memberi Study Tour.
Jadi ugutan2 yang sa-umpama terse- but itu tidak-lah sunyi baik di-luar negeri atau pun di-dalam negeri, tetapi kita bershukor kahadrat Illahi tidak ada siapa pun kena bunoh.

Jadi di- sini pun baharu2 ini dalam sa-tahun yang lepas ada sa-orang Israel yang berniaga dan apabila kita dapati dia ini sa-orang ejen Israel, dengan serta- merta kita buang dia keluar daripada negeri kita.

Jadi di-sini menunjokkan bagaimana perasaan baik kita terhadap negeri2 Arab yang berseteru dengan Israel itu.
Jadi sa-takat itu-lah yang kita boleh buat; sa-lain daripada itu apa kita hendak buat.

Macham negeri kominis pun kita iktiraf juga kerana mereka menjadi Ahli Bangsa2 Bersatu, tetapi sa-lain daripada itu kita tidak membuat tidak menjalankan apa2 atau perniagaan perhubongan sama saperti dengan Israel itu.

Jadi sa-takat dapat kita men jalankan.

itu-lah apa2, RELEASE OF POLITICAL DETAINEES IN SARAWAK 6.
Tuan Stephen Yong Kuet Tze (Sarawak) asks the Minister of Home Affairs that in view of the amnesty and surrender terms offered to those who have defected to Indonesia and taken up arms against Malaysia when will political detainees supposed to be associated with them be released.
The Minister of Home Affairs and Minister of Justice (Tun Dr Ismail): Mr Speaker, Sir, all detainees, cur in detention camps or rently held centres for protective custody, were arrested and detained not because they were associated with defectors to Indonesia, but because they had them selves participated in activities prejudi cial to the security of Malaysia.
The question of an amnesty to those mis guided persons who had defected to Indonesia and taken up arms against those who had been Malaysia and detained for subversive activities with in the country are two separate issues.
The cases of all detainees are being reviewed periodically by an independ- dent Advisory Board set up under the 1387 23 AUGUST 1966 1388 if Constitution, and this Advisory Board considers that a certain detainee is no longer a threat to the security of Malaysia, it will make a recommenda tion to me for his release.

tahu pepatah, Melayu, "tua2 makin jadi" (Ketawa).

Ini berma'ana orang yang tua itu hendak-lah pula orang yang tua berumor 60 tahun daripada PAS tua makin menjadi lagi.

(Ketawa).
(Ketawa).

ini makin to 50 youths on Tuan Stephen Yong Kuet Tze: Is the Minister aware that at the beginning of the Brunei revolt there were about 40 to Indonesia who were intercepted on the way, and that these people are still being detained, or some of them are still being detained?

their way Tun Dr Ismail: Yes, I am aware, Sir, but as I said just now, the cases of the people will be an independent Advisory Board which will make recommendations to me.
reviewed by Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah (Kelantan Hilir): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, boleh-kah saya mendapat satu jawapan yang jelas daripada Yang Berhormat Menteri yang berkenaan bahawa sa- nya banyak daripada orang2 Parti Islam di-buang daerah, dengan bermacham2 tudohan, dia di-buang negeri.

Banyak daripada mereka itu ada juga di-dalam negeri Pahang dan lain2 tempat lagi, bila- kah Kerajaan akan melepaskan mereka itu kembali balek ka-tempat mereka.
sa-Tanah Melayu Tun Dr Ismail: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, sa-bagai sifat saya Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri, saya tidak membedzakan orang2 yang membuat kesalahan itu, baik dia daripada mana2 parti pun.

Tetapi ahli2 daripada PAS ini patut berlaku lebeh baik daripada ahli2 yang lain kerana dia mengaku dia itu dekat dengan Tuhan daripada ahli2 yang lain (Ketawa).

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soal tambahan.
Ada-kah Yang Berhormat Menteri mengetahui sa-orang tua yang umor- nya 60 tahun yang tidak ada rekod sama sa-kali pun di-Pejabat Polis yang ada-lah daripada muda sampai tua mengajar Quran telah di- buang daerah?

kerja-nya Tun Dr Ismail: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, Ahli Yang Berhormat itu tentu soal2 dengan Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua?

soal tambahan.
soal tambahan.

Berikutan tambahan yang di-kemukakan ini, saya teringat janji daripada Menteri kapada satu kita ia-itu kata-nya pada tahun 1966 Belanjawan ini—dalam Meshuarat dahulu—kata-nya pada tahun 1966 dia akan menimbangkan orang2 yang untok di-buang kembali balek ka-daerah Jadi sampai masa-nya tahun 1966 ini, ada- kah Menteri itu hendak berpegang kapada janji hari itu atau dia hendak melupakan bagitu sahaja.

daripada Bachok itu.


saya Tun Dr Ismail: Tuan Yang di- akan berjanji Pertua, menimbangkan, berjanji saya yang saya akan melepaskan mereka.

Saya sudah timbangkan selalu, saya sudah timbangkan tiap2 kali.

tidak saya THE 1960 SOCIETIES ACT, (REPRESENTATION FROM THE PERAK CHINESE MUTUAL BENEFIT SOCIETIES RE RES TRICTIONS IMPOSED) 7.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon [under Stand ing Order 24 (2)] asks the Minister of Home Affairs whether he is aware of the letter dated 30th June, 1966, to the Registrar of Societies from the Chairman of the Sub-Committee of the Perak Chinese Mutual Benefit Societies complaining of the restrictions imposed on their societies by the new Societies Act, 1966; and if so, whether he would the consider amendments restrictive aspects of the Act which arbitrarily inhibit the healthy growth of welfare organisations catering for those needs of the present not undertaken by the State.
the people at to remove letter dated 30th Tun Dr Ismail: Yes, I am aware of the June, 1966, which was sent to the Registrar of Societies by the Perak Chinese Mutual Benefit Societies.

As a matter of fact, 1389 23 AUGUST 1966 1390 for length appeal a copy of this letter was also received by my Ministry.

The petition contained an relaxation of the Section 21 of the Societies Act, and as the Honourable Member will re collect, I went at great to explain to the House why the new legislation was necessary.
As I said in December, 1965, when moving the Bill for approval in this House, the main objective of the new legislation is to safeguard the interests of contri butors or subscribers of benefit socie ties, and unless there are valid and cogent reasons to do so, I do not the think present law.
it is necessary to amend Tuan Stephen Yong Kuet Tze: Is the Minister aware that, apart from these mutual benefit societies which find it difficult to comply with the Societies Act, there are also other societies, such as religious societies, which find it very difficult to comply with the provisions of the Societies Act?
I am asking the Minister whether he will consider societies to allow certain which do not fall within the object of the Societies Act to be given exemption from the provision of this Societies Act.

Tun Dr Ismail: Sir, that is a separate question.


Dr Lim Chong Eu (Tanjong): Sir, can the Honourable Minister assure this House that, in view of the fact that the Government does not see it necessary to change or to make amend ments to the Bill, whether the Govern ment will provide some machinery whereby to assist the legitimate mutual aid societies in trying to comply with the new Act as well as to assist them to carry on their activities as has previously been intended by them?
Tun Dr Ismail: Sir, I have had no complaint that they have not received any help the Registrar of Societies, and if there are such cases I am sure the Registrar of Societies will be only too willing to help them.

from ABOLITION OF RESTRICTIONS IN CONTROLLED AREAS IN SARAWAK 8.

Tuan Ong Kee Hui asks the Minis ter of Home Affairs to state whether, when confrontation ends, the Govern ment will consider abolishing restric tion of people in controlled areas in Sarawak.
the threat Tun Dr Ismail: Sir, the ending of confrontation does not necessarily mean that the security of to Sarawak has deminished.

On the con trary the threat posed by the militant Communist Clandestine Organisation in that State continues to be a matter of grave concern to the Government.

The" establishment of controlled areas and the imposition of restrictions on the people living within such areas are some of the measures taken to contain and eliminate their activities.
As long as the security threat exists, it is not intended to relax the present restric tions.

consider making Tuan Ong Kee Hui: If that is the case, Sir, would the Honourable Minis ter arrangements whereby the properties of those in the controlled areas, particularly crops, could be secured?

Tun Dr Ismail: The Honourable is aware that arrangements Member have been and are being made, Sir.

REHABILITATION SCHEME FOR POLITICAL DETAINEES 9.


Tuan Ong Kee Hui asks the Minis to state what ter of Home Affairs rehabilitation political for scheme detainees have been instituted.

Tun Dr Ismail: Sir, at present political detainees are provided such facilities as attending classes, both in English and in the Bahasa Kebangsaan, civic courses, as well as the provision of film shows, in order to make life as comfortable as possible, to enable them to see the other side of life.
As part of rehabilitation, the scheme steps have been to appoint Welfare Officers to look into the welfare their families and of detainees and taken their for 1391 23 AUGUST 1966 1392 Trade Instructors for the provision of training in various trades to make trade training as one of the instruments of rehabilitation.
Tuan Stephen Yong Kuet Tze: Is the Minister aware that only one Welfare Officer was appointed—he was from Malaya—and then, I think, his services were terminated, and since then there was no one to take over his place?

Tun Dr Ismail: Sir, I must admit I am not aware of that.

I will look into it.

Tuan Ong Kee Hui: Mr Speaker, this the Minister Sir, could House what steps are being taken to rehabilitate those detainees who have been released?
inform Tun Dr Ismail: Sir, when the detai nees have been released, I do not think they are any longer my responsibility.

It should be the responsibility, if they happen to any political to parties, of such parties rehabilitate these people.

I am only responsible for to those provide them with all the amenities that are possible for them in detention.
inside and to belong to help responsibility Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, while the Minister may want to deny for ex-detainees, may I ask the Honourable Minister whether it is not in the interest of the Government to see that these detainees, who* have been released, should be gainfully employed.
If so, is he aware that in the case of one Yuen Foo Thong in Ipoh, the restriction on his stay in Ipoh was removed and then when he had found a job elsewhere in Menglembu, im posed again on him, thereby depriving him of a livelihood?

the restriction was Tun Dr Ismail: I am not aware of that one, but I will look into that matter and see what can be done.
Dr Lim Chong Eu: Sir, can the Minister enlighten this House what steps his Ministry has taken to review the position of ex-detainees in their rehabilitation in society in relation to the the rehabilitation programme of Ministry of Home Affairs, because, Sir, if there is a rehabilitation programme and the detainees after they have been discharged are not rehabilitated, then the rehabilitation programme has failed.

Tun Dr Ismail: Sir, there are always two sides to a question.
If the Govern ment tries to do too much after the detainees have been released, then the Government will be accused of perse cuting these people.

I know the poli tical threat in this matter.

However, where there are cases of genuine ex- detainees who cannot earn a liveli hood, and where we are convinced that they have repented, we will help them; but to make it as a matter of policy to rehabilitate all to admit that these people are, after being released, being persecuted by the Government.
That 1 am not prepared to do.

the detainees is that most of Tuan Stephen Yong Kuet Tze: Is the Minister aware the detainees who* have been released from the detention camps are restricted to stay in a certain place, which usually is not the usual place of their resi dence, and therefore they find getting employment very difficult?
Then, again, the imposition of having to report to the Police once a week, rather upsets their routine, and would the Minister go into this matter and see that after a short period, if the ex-detainees are behaving themselves, the interval be tween reports to the Police should be lengthened—say, once a month or every three months, instead of every week?

Tun Dr Ismail: I want to be quite clear on this.


When the detainees are released, they are put on restrictive residence; and when we put people on this restrictive residence, the first thing we consider is whether they can find a job or not.

But if, for example, the detainee can that find a restricted area, where we know he will revert back to his old activity, then I think it is not right to restrict him in that area, although a job is available for him.
We try wherever possible to restrict him in areas where he can get a job but away from places where he can cause further mischief.

job in 1393 23 AUGUST 1966 1394 NUMBER OF POLITICAL DETAINEES IN MALAYSIA 10.

Tuan Ong Kee Hui asks the Minis ter of Home Affairs how many poli tical detainees there are now and how many aged under 18.

Tun Dr Ismail: Sir, there are at present 842 persons in detention in both East and West Malaysia.
Of this number, 8 detainees are under 18 years of age, but over the age of 17.

USE OF THE NATIONAL LANGUAGE IN COURTS OF MALAYSIA 11.

Tuan C. V. Devan Nair (Bungsar) asks the Minister of Justice to make a statement about the Government's policy with regard to the use of the National Language as the language of the courts.

Tun Dr Ismail: Sir, the use of National Language in the Courts of Malaysia is covered by Article 152, Clause (4) and (5) of the Constitution of Malaysia.
In the subordinate courts the National Language is used when all parties and witnesses as well as presiding officer are proficient in the National Language.

However, for the moment, the National Language is not being used in the High Courts and the Federal Court.

LOANS AND GRANTS FOR THE FIRST MALAYSIA PLAN 12.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Finance how much Malay sia has received by way of loans and grants for the First Malaysia Plan and how much has been promised by way of loans and grants up to 31st July, 1966.
In regard to the second part of the I Honourable Member's question, would have informed the House yester day, if the question had been asked, that my officials are negotiating with representatives of the various member countries of the Consultative Group on Aid to Malaysia on the amount and terms of assistance to be given by them.

The Honourable Member will appre ciate that since negotiations are pro ceeding at the present time, it would specific be premature figures for the time being.
However, once agreement has been reached, I would be pleased to inform the House of the results.

to> mention formal Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, is it then correct to say that up to the 31st of July, 1966, no sums of money have been obtained by this Government by way of loans or of grants for the First Malaysia Plan?

Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, as I tried to impress upon the Honour able Member, I do not think that that is the correct way of phrasing that question.
We have reason to believe that assistance will be forthcoming, but we are not at the moment able to say what the exact amounts are from each country, or what such assistance will take.

form Tuan C. V. Devan Nair: Would it be correct to assume, Sir, that the Govern ment has realised that its expectations will not be fulfilled entirely—expecta tions the amount of to in relation foreign aid it expects?
Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I am not sure whether the Honourable Member knows what my expectations are (Laughter) and I think most people will agree that I am not one of those who are unduly optimistic in matters of finance.

The Minister for Finance (Tuan Tan Siew Sin): Mr Speaker, Sir, the ques tion of receiving a particular amount of loans and grants as at 31st July, 1966 for the First Malaysia Five-Year Plan does not arise as loans and grants are disbursed over the Plan period, i.e., 1966-1970.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, is the Honourable Minister not aware that in the First Malaysia Plan, at least, his expectations are stated— $1,100 million by way of loans and S900 million by way of grants?

If so, is he not being pessimistic that these sums will be raised?

1395 23 AUGUST 1966 1396 Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, in the First Malaysia Plan we stated only facts and figures—not hopes.
the admission by the presentation of Dr Lim Chong Eu: We are rather shocked by the Honourable Minister of Finance now that he is not naturally optimistic with regard to expectations in view of the that he was unduly optimistic fact during the First Malaysia Plan.
However, Sir, will it be correct to state that the statements made by the Minister of Finance following his tour abroad do not only reflect his own personal undue lack of optimism but also express a slight degree of depression from the point of Government?

Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Member for Tanjong has got an uncanny knack of getting hold of the wrong end of the stick.
I have never at any stage stated that I was actually certain that we would be able to< fill the entire gap as specified in the First Malaysia Plan.

But I am prepared to state here and now that I have every confidence that the foreign exchange costs of the economic pro jects specified in the First Malaysia Plan will be covered.

I am not so sure that the local costs of social and non- economic projects will be covered.
As Honourable Members are aware, the defence originally aid which we expected to get from Britain will not now be forthcoming.

So we, at least, know that that particular gap of $630 million will have to» be filled in some way, or alternatively, something else will have to be done.

TURNOVER TAX ACT—AMEND- MENT OF YEAR OF ASSESSMENT 13.
Tuan Stephen Yong Kuet Tze asks the Minister of Finance that in view the of the representations made by trading Sarawak whether he would recommend amend ment to the Schedule to the Income Tax Act whereby the 2% turnover tax be based on in 1966 instead of 1965. the turnover communities in it cannot this question.

As has already been explained on numerous occasions pre viously, the 1966 Turnover Tax Act became law on 29th December, 1965. be Consequently, amended retrospectively.
The Inland Revenue Department has assessed and collected tax for 1966 on the basis of this Act, and even if it were desirable to change it, which I doubt, to do so would create confusion in the Depart ment without necessarily reducing the traders' turnover tax liability.
now to turnover If the Honourable Member is refer ring tax for 1967 and requesting that this tax be levied on the basis of 1967 turnover, I would merely say that I cannot anticipate my Budget speech and the Honourable Member will have to be patient.

ada-kah Kerajaan PENGHASUTAN PEMIMPIN2 PARTI PEMBANGKANG SE- BAB PERTUKARAN HARI CHUTI MINGGUAN KA PADA HARI AHAD BAGI SEKOLAH2 KEBANGSAAN 14.
Dato' Haji Mustapha bin Haji Abdul Jabar bertanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran sedar bahawa ada sa-tengah2 pemimpin parti pembangkang yang menghasut ibu bapa murid2 supaya jangan meng- hantar di- sekolah2 Kebangsaan oleh kerana per- tukaran hari chuti mingguan daripada hari Juma'at kapada hari Ahad, dan jika sedar, ada-kah beliau akan meng- ambil tindakan tegas terhadap orang2 ini demi kebaikan anak2 kita pada masa akan datang.
anak2 mereka belajar The Assistant Minister of Education (Tuan Lee Siok Yew): Tuan Yang di- Pertua, Kementerian saya tidak sedar tentang ada-nya beberapa orang pe mimpin dari parti2 pembangkang yang berusaha memujok ibu bapa supaya jangan menghantarkan anak2 mereka ka-Sekolah2 Kebangsaan kerana per- tukaran chuti hujong minggu dari hari Juma'at ka-hari Ahad.

Jika perkara ini berlaku Kementerian saya tentu akan mengambil tindakan yang tegas terhadap orang2 berkenaan itu.
Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not understand the purpose of Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-kah benar 1397 23 AUGUST 1966 1398 ini yang bahawa penukaran hari chuti di-laku- kan daripada hari Juma'at kapada hari Ahad berasaskan kapada niat Kerajaan hendak menyatukan pera- saan ra'ayat negeri terdiri daripada berbilangan kebudayaan?
Ia- itu supaya orang2 Melayu yang ber- ugama Islam mengorbankan hari chuti Juma'at-nya kapada hari Ahad dan juga orang2 yang keturunan China mengorbankan hari chuti hari Sabtu kapada hari Ahad, tetapi dalam chon- toh yang di-berikan oleh Menteri Pelajaran supaya orang2 Melayu itu mengorbankan hari Juma'at kapada hari Ahad.

iSekolah2 China tetap juga menjadikan chuti-nya hari Sabtu dan dengan ini Menteri Pelajaran sudah berasa kechewa dan dia akan kembali balek pada hari Ahad.
Sa-jauh mana kebenaran cherita ini?

Tuan Lee Siok Yew: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, soal ini tidak patut langsong.

SUPERSCALE POSTS IN THE MEDICAL, HEALTH AND DENTAL SERVICES IN SARA WAK AND PAYMENT OF SPECIALIST ALLOWANCE 15.
Dato' Ling Beng Siew (Sarawak) asks the Minister of Health when will Government consider increasing super- scale posts in the Medical, Health and Dental services in Sarawak in con formity with the scheme that has been introduced to keep doctors in service and when will Government consider giving specialist allowance, particularly to those in the State of Sarawak.
in Malaya as a bid The Minister of Health (Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin): Mr Speaker, Sir, the the Scheme of Service of Medical, Health and Dental officers and specialists in the State of Sarawak in East Malaysia is different from that of West Malaysia.

The Sarawak State Government will be consulted with re increase the question of gard in the Superscale Posts and payment in Sarawak.
of specialist allowances Routine preparation administration, and presentation of policy proposals are still the responsibility of the Medi cal Department of the State of Sarawak.

to Dato' Ling Beng Siew: I will bring the to the attention of this matter Sarawak State Government.

TRANSIT QUARTERS AT RASAH ROAD, SEREMBAN in 16.
Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Health whether he is aware that the new the vicinity of hospital in Seremban there are about fifty odd transit quarters (at Rasah the Road, Seremban), belonging Negri Sembilan Government but now transferred to the Ministry of Health, which have been vacant for more than fourteen months (since 1-5-1965), and therein have been that subject to acts of vandalism and lack of maintenance, and to state whether there are plans to put these quarters to good use.
the fittings to Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin: Mr the 68 semi-detached Speaker, Sir, units of quarters near the General Hospital, Seremban, have since been converted into 34 single units.

32 of these have been occupied since April 1966 by the hospital staff.

The last two remaining units are undergoing repairs and will be occupied after com pletion of the repairs very soon.
Tuan C. V. Devan Nair: I would like to hear the Minister's comments on whether or not the fittings in these units have, before they were occupied, been subject to acts of vandalism— that is the last part of my question, Sir.

Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin: I am not aware of that, Sir.
Tuan C. V. Devan Nair: I would like to inform the Minister, in the light of the fact that there have been com plaints to me personally from members of the public in Seremban that they have seen these quarters before they were occupied in April, that is fairly recently, that they have been subject to lack of maintenance and lack of fittings, and I would like an explana tion from the Minister as to why the officials to in his Ministry inform him about the last part of the question.
failed 1399 23 AUGUST 1966 1400 Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin: The quarters were given to the Ministry of Health by the State Government, and they were let out for repairs so that they were under the charge of the con tractors.

Tuan C. V. Devan Nair: Would the Honourable Minister kindly undertake to give a drubbing to the officials of his Mmistry who prepared his reply to this question and tell them to do their homework better the next time?

Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin: For what purpose he is asking that?
Mr Speaker: The time is up.

(NOTE: Question Time was up and the answers to Oral Questions Nos.

17 to 22 are given below).

ELECTRICITY SUPPLY TO AREAS IN SABAK BERNAM DISTRICT 17.
Dato' Haji Mustapha bin Haji the Minister of Abdul Jabar asks Commerce and Industry whether he is aware that out of over 65,000 inhabi tants of Sabak Bernam District, only a small number, namely the people in the towns of Sabak Bernam and Sungei Besar have electricity supply and that up till now' there is still no sign that electricity will be supplied to the other areas in the district, and if so, whether the Government could explain why such a situation exists there.
The Minister of Commerce and Industry (Dr Lim Swee Aun): Pro posals to supply Kampong Batu 38, Kampong Batu 39, Kampong Batu 40, Kampong Sungei Ayer Tawar, Kam pong Parit Bahru, Kampong Hj.

Durani, Kampong Simpang Lima, Kampong Sapintas, were investigated for First Malaysia Plan 1966/70, but due to limited Government funds it is only possible to implement the scheme to supply Kampong Batu 38, 39, and 40 in 1970.

The population in this area is very scattered and from N.E.B.
High Voltage network and it will not be economic for the Board to give supply to these scattered commu towns of Sabak nities.

The Bernam and Sungei Besar are at isolated larger present supplied by Public Licensees.

If there are persons who are interested to take out public license to supply the other towns, their applications will be given due consideration.

BANTUAN KAPADA MANGSA2 BANJIR DI-KELANTAN DAN TRENGGANU 'Am 18.
Tuan Wan Hassan bin Wan Daud (Tumpat) bertanya kapada Menteri Kebajikan jika Kerajaan akan menimbangkan sa-mula memberi ban- rnangsa2 tuan di- Kelantan dan Trengganu yang belum lagi menerima apa2 bantuan kerana mereka tertinggal sa-masa penyiasatan dan pendaftaran di-jalankan dahulu.
kapada banjir Menteri Kebajikan 'Am (Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan): Dukachita Kera jaan tidak dapat menimbangkan sa- mula oleh sebab masa yang panjang, lebeh daripada empat bulan, ia-itu telah semua di-berikan rnangsa2 banjir bagi mendaftarkan diri sa-belum atau pun sa-masa penyia satan dan Trengganu.

Ma'alumat atas perkara ini telah di-beri dengan seluas2-nya melalui Radio, Akhbar2 dan Peng- gawa2 serta Penghulu2.
di-Kelantan di-jalankan kapada Saya ada-lah berpuas hati ia-itu jangka dan tempoh yang panjang telah di-beri kapada semua rnangsa2 banjir bagi mendaftarkan diri mereka sa- belum atau pun sa-masa penyiasatan di-jalankan.

Semua permohonan yang di-terima telah di-siasat dengan teliti dan bantuan telah pun di-berikan kapada mereka yang di-dapati layak menerima-nya.

EMPLOYEES OF CINEMA THEA TRES—FORMATION OF TRADE UNION 19.
Tan Sri Fatimah binti Haji Hashim (Jitra-Padang Terap) asks the Minister of Labour to state: (a) whether he is aware that there are employees of cinema theatres in the country who are, as yet, unable to form an Employees' Union, due to hindrances from the the management cinema theatre itself; side of 1401 23 AUGUST 1966 1402 (b) if so, to state the steps that have been taken to enable these em ployees to form their union.
The Minister of Labour (Tuan V. Manickavasagam): I know that emplo yees in the cinema industry are, on the whole, not adequately or effectively organised into trade unions.

There is, however, a union catering for cinema workers in North Malaya and I am informed that applications have been received from two other trade unions in the cinema industry for registration.
forming As far as I can make out, there have been various difficulties in the way of themselves cinema workers into trade unions, including allegedly, the attitude of certain managements.

services are always My Ministry's available in advising and assisting the including workers workers, cinema industry, in organising them selves, if the workers genuinely desire to form a trade union.
in It is because of Inquiry under these difficulties facing workers in the cinema industry that I had some time ago appointed a Commission of the Wages Councils Ordinance to recom mend whether a Wages Council should be established which can make pro posals for the stipulation of minimum of remuneration conditions employment.

The Commission of Inquiry has its public completed hearings and I am now awaiting the submission of its Report.

and EMPLOYEES OF CINEMA THEA TRES—PAY AND OVERTIME 20.
Tan Sri Fatimah binti Haji Hashim asks the Minister of Labour to state: (a) whether he is aware that em ployees of cinema theatres in the country work for 16 hours a day, without being paid any overtime allowances; and (b) whether or not he realises that the salary paid to these workers is too meagre.

Tuan V. Manickavasagam: I am aware that workers in cinema theatres sometimes work longer than normal hours, especially during weekends and holidays when additional shows are screened.
It is understood, however, that the big cinema operators do pay overtime wages to those who work such long hours.

that to whether the salaries paid No general statement can be made to as these workers are adequate or not but I know rates prevalent, the especially for the lower categories of staff in the cinema industry are low, when compared to workers in other industries.
As I have said in reply to the earlier question, it is because of these difficulties and shortcomings that I had established a Commission of the Wages Councils Inquiry under Ordinance to look into this matter.

INTRODUCTION OF TELEVISION INTO SARAWAK 21.

Dato' Ling Beng Siew asks the Minister of Information and Broad casting when will Government fix a specific time when television will be introduced to Sarawak.
The Minister of Information and Broadcasting (Tuan Senu bin Abdul Rahman): It is impossible for me at this juncture to give a specific date when television will be introduced into Sarawak and Sabah.

For infor mation of the Honourable Member, a comprehensive plan for the introduc tion of television into Sarawak and Sabah is being submitted to Govern ment for its consideration.

Once this has been approved it will take any thing between a year and a year and a half be completed.
the project before can the LESEN2 PUKAT HARIMAU DI-PANTAI BARAT 22.
Tuan Sulaiman bin Haji Taib (Krian Laut) bertanya kapada Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama: (a) sa-takat ini berapa-kah bilangan lesen2 pukat trawler harimau yang telah di-keluarkan kapada nelayan2 dan di-manakah lesen2 itu di-keluarkan, (b) apa-kah langkah2 yang telah di- ambil oleh Kerajaan untok me- nelayan2 kegelisahan ngatasi 1403 23 AUGUST 1966 1404 kechil berkenaan dengan sa- makin berleluasa-nya pukat2 hari- mau haram di-sabelah Pantai Barat, terutama sa-kali di-antara Tanjong Piandang hingga ka- Pantai Remis.
Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Ker- jasama (Tuan Haji Mohamed Ghazali bin Haji Jawi): (a) Lesen2 Pukat Tunda yang telah di-keluarkan setakat ini ada-lah saperti berikut: Dua puloh lesen Pengeluaran Ikan Bekerja- dengan Bertanggongan kapada dan Pemasaran sama2 Berhad, Kuala Kedah.
(20) buah Sharikat buah Dua-puloh (20) buah lesen kapada Sharikat Kerjasama Bagi Penangkap Ikan, Pulau Pinang dengan (Bahagian Tanggongan Pulau Pinang dan Sa-puloh Tanjong) Berhad, (10) Sharikat lesen Kerjasama2 kapada Penangkap Ikan, Pulau Pangkor.

(b) Bahagian Perikanan pada masa ini ada sabelas motobot2 yang di-gunakan untok meronda di- laut dan membuat kerja2 penyia- satan.

Tiga buah dari motobot2 ini ada-lah meronda dari Tan jong Piandang ka-Pantai Remis.
Angkatan Polis Laut juga mem- bantu kerja2 meronda ini.

MOTION THE DEVELOPMENT MENTARY) (SUPPLE (No.
1) ESTIMATES, 1966 Order read for resumption of debate on Question— That pursuant to Standing Order 67c, the following Motion be referred to a Committee of the whole House: to meet the purpose of That this House resolves that an addi tional sum not exceeding $40,303,677 be expended out of the Development Fund in the financial year 1966, and respect of the Heads that and Sub-heads set out the first and second columns of the Statement laid on the Table as Command Paper No.
24 of 1966, sums specified opposite such Heads and Sub the eighth and ninth columns heads thereof.

there be appropriated the in in Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, unfortunately I was not present when the Assistant Minister of Finance introduced these Development (Supple mentary) (No.

1) Estimates for 1966.


But if I am not mistaken, the Press has reported that he has stated that the total allocations plus these supple mentary estimates will be in the region of $900 million, but that $600 million would actually be spent.
In view of Mr Speaker, Sir, we have just heard the Honourable Minister of Finance himself, if not actually saying, but at least implying, that he was not too optimistic that the targets for the First Malaysia Five-Year Plan—that is $1,100 million by way of loans and $900 million by way of grants—will be met; and he has, although asked by me, not been able to give any figures for money received either by way of loans or grants.
this uncertainty of foreign aid, whether by way of loans or by way of grants, in view of the serious difficulties that the Government is facing on its current account, and in view of the fact that confrontation is now over, it is regret the Honourable Assistant table that Minister in his introduction of these Estimates yesterday did not mention anything re-appraisal not only of this year's targets but also of the targets for the next four years.
One would have thought and hoped that in view of the changed circum stances (and unfortunately, the Deve lopment Estimates includes money to be spent and I do not know how the Government can call as "development" big prisons to go into the Taiping area, and big barracks for our armed forces) and in view of the fact that the needs the security and of defence are of certainly different with the end of confrontation, and in view of the fact that funds are not as easy to come by, the Minister would this enlighten the re-appraisal of House regarding the this targets year but for the next four years in conformity with the stringent financial straits we are the new in conditions.
set not only regarding and the for 1405 23 AUGUST 1966 1406 contain Mr Speaker, Sir, I notice that these in Development Estimates Head S. 115, Sub-head 9, the sum of $4.2 million for Buildings and Quarters and a $3 million supplement for the Federal Reserve Unit.

I also notice that in the Supplementary Supply Bill, Head S. 34—1 am from Command Paper No.

26 of 1966— page 26, item reading .

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The Assistant Minister of Finance (Dr Ng Kam Poh): On a point of clari fication, Mr Speaker, Sir.
We are (Supple debating the Development mentary) Estimates at the present moment.

The Supplementary Supply Estimates come later.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, I hope the Honourable Assistant Minister of Finance would not want to teach his grandmother to suck eggs.

I am merely relating what is in the Development (Supplementary) Esti mates with what is being asked for in the Supplementary Supply Estimates— I know that this will be the subject of debate very soon.
I merely want to mention to $4.2 million supplements, $3 million is being asked for, and under current account $1.6 million is being asked for the Federal Reserve Unit.
in addition that in these Mr Speaker, Sir, this country, and particularly the Press must have been shocked by the outrageous and dis graceful behaviour of the riot units from the Federal Reserve Unit, aided and abetted by senior officers, who the have manhandled members of Press, and this has aroused the usually docile Press from their stupor.

The Press are up in arms—and rightly so.


Mr Speaker, Sir, on the 14th of August, 1966, the Labour Party of Malaya staged a peaceful demonstra tion against the presence of the U.S.S.

BOLES and the G.Is.

in Port Swetten- ham.

Both this demonstration and the other at Klang the previous day were peaceful ones, and our members did not cause any damage to life, limb or property.

The one at Klang dispersed peacefully, when ordered to do so and there was no clash with the Police.
for However, at Kuala Lumpur the riot squad used tear gas although there was force, no cause particularly against members of the brutality was Press.

The police uncalled, for.

In other parts of the world it would have caused a riot.

the show of for doing Mr Speaker, Sir, when newspaper men and cameramen and even lady photographers are not only arrested their but also assaulted work, then something must be seriously wrong with our Police force.
Were the Police there on that day to maintain law and order, or were they there as a law unto themselves?

Are the Police a disciplined force capable of main taining order, or do they descend to mob rule themselves?

The Press have been up in arms, and rightly so.


Mr Speaker, Sir, may I quote the Straits Times editorial of 16th August, 1966— incidents "Sunday's all for the justification also two hours, were a disgrace in Kuala Lumpur, when a number of reporters and photo graphers were manhandled, arrested, taken for to the police station and there kept nearly to a disciplined force.

There was no excuse.

The reporters and photographers identified themselves.
They were accredited representatives of newspapers, and showed their cards.

T do not give a damn for the Press', said one senior Police officer.

Was his the man handling, the injuries to a woman photo grapher, for the punching, the face slapping the baton swinging?

(of a woman) and The Police quite clearly were camera-shy, thought sensitive they the to do would be photo might be about graphed.

A the those arrested and country, was among interrogated.

He was paid for film which the Police seized.


It may be possible to find authority for this seizure (of theft), although we doubt it.

It is impossible to justify Police behaviour as a whole, and we hope that higher authority will not try to do so.

Officers who do not give a damn are poor servants of the public, and poor employees for the Government, and it this was made unmistakably is clear."
tourist, a few days that what time the in to "Certain people outside think Mr Speaker, Sir, the Eastern Sun in its editorial dated the same day cried— the newspaper profession a that glamourous way of earning a living.

Those in thankless think job when pressures are put on them.

The journalists may grumble but dedicated it sometimes journalism is a is it 1407 23 AUGUST 1966 1408 the free television, nor they still stick their noses to the grind stone.
Not for them the glamour of radio spending and public relations circuit.

Covering wars, riots, fires and certain other events are hazardous for newsmen and press photo graphers.

Recently restrictive laws have been promulgated both in Malaysia and the profession of Singapore journalism even more hazardous.

The freedom of the Press, said to be one of the cornerstones of democracy, is being whittled away by such laws.

No wonder many journalists have forsaken their pro fession for those that are more safe.
They do not like to walk the tightrope.

If they slip on either side, they fall into the arms of trouble.

to render in the "In dealing with the rioters, the riot squad had taken time out to manhandle reporters and press photographers covering the riot.

Surely ordering them out of the riot areas was enough; they were there to do their job and not to join the rioters.

"If official press cards were not recog nised by the riot squad, then they were face of slap administering a authority issuing such cards.
It is up to the people to decide whether they want newspapers which print the news, or news papers reduced to printing solely enter tainment and commercial features in order to play safe.

In the United States, many newspapers resemble catalogues of depart mental stores, but they feature outspoken the newspaper columnists.

In Manila, influence, but columnists wield great journalists this country are often in regarded as nuisances to be merely tole rated by those in power.
Since newspapers are public institutions, any contempt shown to newspaper is tantamount to contempt shown to the public."

reported Mr Speaker, Sir, the utterances of high police officers are equally de plorable.

D.S.P.

Kassim Ali is reported to have said: "We don't care if you are a newspaperman.

Once a warning by the riot police to disperse is given, you have to go or face the conse quences."
The O.C.P.D., Kuala Lum pur, Assistant Commissioner Tan Chin Teck, was said, "The reporters and photographers were lucky that they were not charged in court.

We could have done that if we wanted reporters to".

Asked how could carry out their duties in such an incident, he replied, "We don't care.

If reporters mingle with the demon strators, we will as demonstrators.

It is lucky they were not beaten with batons.

We can use these batons reported statements are true, then the if we wanted to have to".
If arrest them Miniser for Home Affairs will do well to run a public relations course for senior police officers.

Obviously, they have not got a clue as to how to handle the public, let alone the frater nity of the Press.

Even the President of the Kaum Ibu, Tan Sri Fatimah, has been roused to call on the Minister of Home Affairs an investigation and so has the Secretary of the N.U.J., Mr N. T. R. Singam, and the National Press Club which sent a delegation to see the Minister.
initiate to I am glad of the assurances given by the Minister and I hope that when the Minister, who is not here now, gets up to reply, he will tell us of the results of the investigation that has been ordered.
that to me judged from To sum up, Mr Speaker, Sir, it looks the utterances of the senior police officers and of the actions of those lower down on that 14th day of August, 1966, the Police are wont to use more force than is necessary and the Police certainly are wont to throw their weight around, when there was no cause to throw their weight around against defence less, unarmed members of the Press.

Thank you.

Mr Speaker: The sitting is suspended.

Sitting suspended at 11.25 a.m.


Sitting resumed at 11.50 a.m. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) Debate resumed.

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada asas-nya saya menyokong Bill yang di-kemuka kan oleh Kerajaan atau pun motion yang di-kemukakan oleh Kerajaan untok meminta tambahan wang bagi development bagi tahun 1966.
Tetapi, suka Tuan Yang di-Pertua, memberi sadikit perhatian ia-itu di- dalam perkara2 yang di-minta tambah- kan wang-nya ini saya dapati amat- lah merusot chara2 Kerajaan melak- sanakan kemajuan ia-itu apa yang di- bentangkan di-dalam kertas Command saya 1409 23 AUGUST 1966 1410 Paper 24 tahun 1966 ini menggambar- kan betapa gelap-nya harapan Kera jaan dalam pembangunan negara kita.
itu-lah kita dapati perkara2 Sebab yang di-chakapkan dengan besar2an dalam sidang Belanjawan tahun yang tergambar di-dalam lalu usaha2 pelaksanaan kemajuan kita pada hari ini.
tidak pun tidak tambahan Tetapi yang pelek-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita dapati perkara2 yang Kerajaan memikirkan mustahak pula membantu perkara2 yang patut di-buat oleh Private Sector sendiri, mithal-nya, saya faham apa-kah maksud Kerajaan yang bersusah payah sangat hendak mengadakan ini bagi membantu perkara 22 di-bawah Head 120, Ministry of Commerce and Industry muka 5 ia-itu perkara 22 Malayawata Steel Limited.

Saya tidak tahu ini Company atau pun dia di- sharekan dengan Jepun-kah.
Sebab Malayawata ini boleh jadi watakushi dalam bahasa Jepun-nya.

Tetapi ini kechergasan menggambarkan yang di-buat oleh Private Sector bukan Public Sector bagaimana, Kera jaan boleh mengadakan peruntokan development yang bagitu banyak.

Saya bimbang kalau2 di-dalam Malayawata tokoh2 Steel Limited ini daripada Kerajaan sendiri barangkali Menteri akan menerangkan itu.

Siapa- kah agak-nya Pengurus dan Commit tee2 yang menjalankan Company Limited itu.
terdapat ia-lah Bagitu juga di-dalam Head 126, Kementerian Tanah dan Galian, ia-itu butir No.

4, Oil Palm Land Develop ment Project, Trengganu.

Ada token vote di-sini $10.

Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, token vote ini erti-nya kita sudah bersetuju untok melaksanakan perkara itu dan ini pun saya dapati boleh jadi Private juga tidak Kerajaan.
Dan saya minta Menteri kita memberi penerangan apa-kah yang di-katakan Oil Palm Land Development Project, ini dan bagitu juga ber- Trengganu kenaan dengan Malayawata Steel Ltd. Sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam Head 134 ia-itu Drainage and Irrigation, Butiran 23, (viii) Kelantan.
Saya Minor Works tidak akibat di-Bachok saya dapat dapati di-sini ada token-nya $10 tetapi tahu banyak-lah yang kawasan2 yang langsong di- pertimbangkan oleh Kerajaan, mithal- nya di-dalam kawasan saya sendiri ia-itu daripada banjir baharu2 ini banyak-lah perkara2 yang merupakan minor works ini patut di-lakukan.

Tetapi sa-tahu saya yang saya berunding dengan Pegawai Jaja- han di-situ tidak satu pun yang ada sangkut paut yang di-beri tahu oleh Kerajaan Pusat.
Saya perchaya perkara yang sa-macham sahaja menimbulkan kegelisahan di-kalangan ra'ayat, tetapi juga menunjokkan pin- chang-nya pelaksanaan Kerajaan kita terhadap perkara2 yang patut di- dahulukan.

ini bukan ahli Di-bawah Head 137, Kementerian Pos dan Talikom, Butiran No.

8, Grants to States for Rural Roads ia- itu jalan2 di-Luar Bandar.

Saya men- jadi di-dalam jawatan-kuasa Kemajuan Luar Bandar yang termasok ini di-bawah Development Estimate juga.
Ada satu jalan yang pada tiap2 saya mengemukakan kapada tahun Kerajaan ia-itu Jalan Perupok yang Kerajaan Federal telah buat di-bawah Ranchangan Luar Bandar dan seka- rang ini benda itu terbengkalai dengan tidak ada satu sebab.

Saya dapat tahu duit itu sudah ada, tetapi sudah di- pindahkan di-berikan ka-tempat lain.

Ini saya rasa tidak-lah patut kerana sa-mata2 kalau jalan itu berada di- tempat orang yang bukan Perikatan.
Sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Yang tidak banyak pula wang di-Pertua, yang kita minta untok defence.

Tidak ada langsong di-sini.

Jadi dahulu-nya kita hendak membuat kemajuan ini kita memandangkan bahawa kedudo- kan negara kita ini bergantong kuat kapada tenteram-nya, negara kita dan ketenteraman itu bergantong kapada kekuatan tentera.

Ia-itu kita tidak-lah berniat hendak berlawan dengan orang tetapi hendak menjaga negara kita sendiri.

Dalam kertas ini, dalam Command Paper tidak di-minta untok defence.
Apa-kah bererti di- masa yang kita membuat peruntokan langsong ini, 1411 23 AUGUST 1966 1412 bagi kemajuan dahulu-nya kita ber- chadang hendak mempertahankan diri kita daripada confrantation Indonesia, tetapi apabila confrantation itu sudah tamat, maka usaha2 defence atau pun pertahanan ini kita berhentikan atau kita kurangkan dengan chara yang mengejut bagitu.

Pada hal, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berkenaan dengan defence ini tidak-lah mesti masa kita dalam confrantation atau pun tidak.
Kerana perkara itu mustahak dan kita berjaga2 pada sa-barang waktu dan di-dalam tambahan ini langsong tidak di-sebut- kan. Jadi itu-lah perhatian saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kapada permintaan yang di-minta oleh Kerajaan kita, Sekian, terima kaseh.

Tuan C. V. Devan Nair: Mr Speaker, Sir, the original Estimates of $92.8 to million have now been revised $133.1 million, a substantial fairly these Development increase.
But (Supplementary) Estimates for 1966 must necessarily be viewed against the disturbing background developments.

A survey of these dis turbing facts as they impinge on the development programme will be reward ing in more senses than one.

recent of In the first place, Sir, some of the strictures levelled against the Develop ment Plan at last year's Budget meet ing, which strictures were then dis missed as irrelevant and untrue and without foundation, now turn out to have been fairly correct.
It will be recalled.

Sir, that I had referred to certain basic deficiencies in the overall strategy of the Development Plan, broadly as follows: (1) There had been no proper long- term thinking and planning with a proper breakdown of projects and schemes designed to ensure development, particularly produc tive development.

(2) Over-dependence on foreign aid and failure to mobilise domestic capital resources more judiciously and more fully.
Events now appear to have proved us right in our contention that the planning had not been undertaken seriously and that in fact the Five-Year Plan was more a political paper than a sound economic assessment of national needs and resources.

to Let us take, Sir, first the warning against over-dependence on foreign aid.
It has become quite clear, even to the layman, and it must have become clear to quite a few this morning itself here in this House, that expectations of foreign assistance have not come up anywhere near the Government's expectations, with the result that the Honourable Minister for Finance was recently obliged to promise—some people would say threaten—a series of measures in order to find the money, to push in order the wherewithal, through the Development Plan.
The first such measure was the abolition of Commonwealth a range of goods.

Other measures are also in the offing, we have been told, and traders, merchants and business men must right now be chewing their trepidation.

The basic fingernails questions, Sir, when the Development Supplementary Estimates for 1966 must be as follows.
preferences studying for in Since the Government's basic assump tion about the means to finance the Development Plan have proved to be wrong, where are we going to find the to finance our development?

money Are we, in fact, cutting our coat according to our cloth?
Would it not be wiser at this stage to review the whole Development Plan in the light of the obvious disappointments over expectations of to determine a fresh order of priorities with more emphasis on productive development and undertakings and less on prestigious projects, white elephants, and the Tike?
Is it not again necessary to re-examine the possibilities for the resources mobilisation of domestic taking care, of course, to tap such resources at the right springs and not to further increase the burdens already imposed on the lower income groups?

foreign aid and These are general observations which I would commend for the urgent con sideration of the Honourable Minister of Finance and of his planners.
Let us frankly admit, Sir, that our Develop ment Plan has become, as it were, 1413 23 AUGUST 1966 1414 unhinged, that both our premises and our expectations have proved some what illusory.

Develope we must, but let us do so on the basis of a fresh and more sober review of necessary develop mental needs and the possibilities for their realisation.
Last December's euphoria, Sir, must give way to the sober, if somewhat disillusioned, real ism of August, 1966. in this House by In conclusion, Sir, I would like to touch briefly on some of the remarks made earlier the Honourable Member for Batu touching on the recent outrageous treatment of journalists.
I think, Sir, the community as a whole appreciates and values the journalists as a very necessary part of our community and values their right to report without fear and favour, and the assurance that has been given by the Honourable the Minister for Home Affairs is definitely welcome.

All that we can hope is that that assurance will be fulfilled and that those responsible for the outrageous treatment of journa lists will be brought to book.
Tuan Abdul Karim bin Abu (Melaka Selatan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam mengalu2kan dan menyokong Perbelan- jaan Tambahan bagi Kementerian Kewangan, saya suka-lah mengambil bahagian berchakap sadikit berhubong dengan Kementerian Perdagangan.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, patut-lah kita memberi pujian kapada Kementerian Perdagangan kerana dasar-nya bagi menyelamatkan hasil-mahsul yang di- keluarkan oleh anak negeri dengan menyekat barang2 hasil yang di-bawa daripada luar negeri, tetapi saya suka pandangan mengemukakan pada Perdagangan, umpama-nya.

baharu2 ini ia-itu dalam bulan Jun dan bulan Julai, Kemen terian Perdagangan telah melonggar- kan sekatan berhubong dengan tepong gandum.
Kementerian sadikit Apa yang saya harap kelonggaran ini hanya berdasarkan pada sekatan undang2 tahun 1964.

Jadi, dengan dasar ini saya berpendapat tidak di- beri peluang langsong kapada anak bumiputra mengambil bahagian dalam ini.

Saya berharap pada perniagaan masa2 hadapan Kementerian Perda gangan hendak-lah memberi peluang kapada anak bumiputra dalam ber- niaga yang sa-rupa itu, kerana dengan chara ini dapat pehak anak bumiputra mengambil sama dalam bahagian per niagaan yang chemerlang.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tegaskan lagi perkara ini saya harap dapat Kementerian Perdagangan memberi ini pada masa peluang perniagaan hadapan kapada anak bumiputra.

Saya berkata ini baharu pagi tadi pehak Pembangkang telah menudoh Kerajaan pileh kaseh berhubong dengan pegawai2 tinggi, tetapi dia tidak menyuarakan tekanan yang di-lakukan kapada bumi putra atau perkara yang sa-rupa ini.

akan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-lain dari itu saya suka berchakap ber pada hubong dengan Kementerian Pertanian.
Dalam mengalu2kan peruntokan ini saya suka-lah memberi sadikit pan dangan kapada Kementerian yang ber- kenaan berhubong dengan satu Ran- changan Tali Ayer yang sangat besar yang di-perbuat Tali Ayer Kesang, Muar.

Saya berkata ini kerana bersempadan dengan negeri saya di- Melaka.

Saya di-beritahu oleh pen- dudok dalam kawasan itu sa-tengah- nya tidak puas hati di-atas tanda2 yang di-bagikan kerana membuat tali ayer tanah2 orang ini, sebab mengambil kampong jauh ka-tengah.
Jadi di-harapkan bagi pehak Kemen ini dapat menyiasat terian sa-mula tidak-lah orang2 kampong— supaya ra'ayat jelata—dalam kawasan itu me- nempoh kerugian yang paling banyak itu kerana dudok banyak di-sabelah luar nanti.

tanah2 dalam kawasan terlampau Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-lain dari itu saya suka-lah berchakap sadikit berkenaan dengan Polis.
Saya bukan hendak mempertahankan kesalahan2 atau kesilapan2 yang di-lakukan oleh pehak Polis, tetapi patut sangat2 ra'ayat terima kaseh negeri ini memberikan kapada Polis yang menjalankan tugas kerana keamanan negeri ini, kita tahu baharu2 ini di-sempadan Siam—Malay sia, Polis telah terkorban, saya duka- chita pehak Pembangkang tidak sa- orang pun memberikan ta'ziah kapada 1415 23 AUGUST 1966 1416 pehak Polis yang kerana mempertahankan tanah ayer.
terkorban telah ini yang ini di-sempadan Siam Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berdiri ta'ziah kapada di-sini memberikan terkorban yang berlaku Polis yang baharu2 juga kapada ahli warith-nya.

Apa yang berlaku baharu2 telah di- uchapkan oleh pehak Pembangkang tadi berhubong dengan perkara war- tawan.
Saya tidak-lah hendak mem berikan kesalahan mana2 satu pehak tetapi sa-tahu saya pehak Polis men- jalankan tugas, Polis ini pun ada dua tiga perengkat Polis, yang pertama Polis Biasa, yang kedua, kalau tidak silap saya, Polis Penchegah Rusohan.

Polis yang ini harus kadang2 masa akan menggunakan sadikit kekerasan kapada mereka2 yang sengaja hendak melanggar keamanan dalam negeri ini.
tidak-lah patut kita hendak Jadi, sahaja kesalahan kapada tumpukan pehak Polis yang menjalankan tugas bukan sahaja wartawan yang kena tangkap tetapi pehak Ahli Parlimen juga sendiri pun kalau salah kena tangkap.

Sekian-lah terima kaseh.

Dr Lim Chong En: Mr Speaker, Sir, it is not usually my practice to criticise the Government's policy during appli cation for supplementary estimates on development.
I think, Sir, during the debate on the First Malaysia Plan and the Government's original Develop ment Estimates, we, in the Opposition Benches, have brought out enough to prove how willy-nilly projections its the Government is going about plans it was for development.
Sir, rather sad to listen to the Honourable Finance Minister earlier today, because I think we should take the whole note on what we are going to discuss on the present Development (Supplementary) Estimates from the tone of his replies to questions earlier on this morning.
Sir, it is quite clear that the optimism which the Government expressed less than a year ago, "We see evidence of expansion in the cities, in the towns, in the rural areas", and so on, and Government's confident rebuttal against I the Opposition, and on my part the suggested schemes Government that at the very best development provided only for ourselves to go with a begging bowl around countries of the Aid-Malaysia-Club and a promise to our children to have no telephone communications and best of all not to be borne, even in that short space of time, it is quite clear that Government's junketing around the world to countries of the Aid to Malaysia Club has not been as fruitful as the Government had originally estimated.
Under the circums tances, one would have expected that (Supplementary) these Development Estimates in 1966, would the first to some extent Government's reflect realistic changed towards circumstances.
attitude in that to what indications the wind as In the public Press, Government has given enough the future development of this country is at present moment under query, and that in spite of the end of confronta tion, and because of the decreased expectations in borrowing from outside countries, our development projects will have and may have to be trimmed according to the changed circumstances.
However, Sir, all that we can see is that these present Estimates only give us a straw the Government is trying to do; and in so far as I can see, Sir, that straw indicates that the Government is tottering around with no direction and with no purpose.
If we look through the Development Estimates, we will find that the largest amounts of proposed expenditure "are concentrated in Commerce and Indus try, in the development of the Police and in Telecommunications—that is as it should be, probably the development earlier Governmental plans where greater emphasis had been given to the rural areas.
But here in these Supplementary Estimates we are being asked now to focus our attention the on areas which Government's professed overt intention of putting in more power to increase and generate greater vitality in its the people in the rural areas.

in fact negate and rural development and to offset for Another point is the provision for increased Police development estimates.
The Honourable Member for Batu, the Honourable Member for Bungsar, and in fact the Honourable Member 1417 23 AUGUST 1966 1418 this bogey of the Government, for Sarawak yesterday, have already touched on this subject at great length.
Sir, we have had indications during this session of the House, from replies made by the Honourable the Prime Minister himself and the replies made by the Honourable Minister of Home Affairs to-day, that with the end of confronta tion the Alliance Party in power, is beginning to create new bogeys.
Of course, Sir, political advancement of certain political parties with no real concrete policy of their own is dependent to some extent upon the creation of bogeys, and the bogey that is now being brought up, in order to arouse public sentiment, in order to give the Government the opportunity to further enforce taxes on the people, is trouble, subversion, and communist activity in this country, because once the image and the fear of confrontation is lifted one of the Government has used for increased amounts of money will disappear.
Hence, we now see in the Development Estimates some reflection of Govern ment's intended policies in the future— increased expenditure on the Police Force—and we have already had enough the Honourable Members from Batu and Bungsar with regard to the need for Government the Police to control Force to the extent that the Police do not go beyond their normal functions, and particularly in relation to the Press the recent incidents give us enough cause to be disturbed.
statements made by the major arguments internal Aviation—Pulau Sir, another indication of Govern ment's willy-nilly use of funds can be found in the provision of $94,000 for Civil Langkawi, Landing Ground.

Sir, we all know that for the last year or so, apart from a very few privileged people, who have either special facilities, or who are members of flying clubs, the landing ground at Palau Langkawi has been closed to civil aviation—I mean, the its Malaysian Airways has stopped services to Pulau Langkawi.
But here we are asked a further sum of $94,000 in expenditure to develop a landing ground in an area where very few people go to and which will serve very limited purposes.

Sir, if at this moment of stringency the Government is still going to spend money on development projects which cannot immediately bring benefit to the country, I think the Government for stands misusing funds at a time of stringency for the provision of items which are not of priority or of immediate interest to the nation.
charged Sir, during the replies to questions Prime yesterday, the Honourable Minister very casually and humorously touched on the question of Government officers who* rent out houses of their own.

Sir, here in these Development (Supplementary) Estimates, we have an item under Head 107—Housing, Sub head 2, Loan to Government Officers' Co-operatives Housing Society Ltd— $1,100,000.

Sir, the Alliance's declared policy, in its nice form, is to encourage everyone in this country to own a house of his own.
However, Sir, if we are using Development Estimates to per mit Government officers to build their own houses, that by itself, per se is a very good policy.
If, however, there is no control, the Government officers, having managed to build their own houses and go on to rent their houses, and still charge the Government for housing allowance, then, I think the purpose is defeated in the long run, because the money obviously is stag nated in one area and in one group, and has not circulated as fully and as equitably as it should be.
The last point I would like to touch upon to vindicate my argument that the Government is still very haphazard in its use of public funds, and certainly uncertain over what direction this country should take in the form of development, is to refer to the amount of $1,120,150 by direct provision under the Ministry of Local Government and Housing for Grants for Projects in Town Areas.

Sir, that by itself is only a carry over from an estimate which had been made earlier.
But I do say, Sir, that with the ending of confronta tion and with the suspension of local authorities—and therefore the negation of the basic principles of democratic elections the Government to go on providing for areas—for these in 1419 23 AUGUST 1966 1420 development projects to be made and to be carried out to such a large extent elected by officers, who are not is representatives indicative of the Alliance Party policy is leading this country to.
the people, trend which of the to the people So, in summarising my comments, I would like to say that I feel that these Development (Supplementary) Esti mates give us great concern, because in spite of Government's own announce ment of the dim future prospects that lie ahead of us, in spite of Govern ment's urging to work harder, Government itself has shown no clear indication that it has a posi tive, vital, and dynamic policy in regard the development of our country.
Government is still spending money on projects which are of no interest and of no direct priority immediate benefit the people; is spending money on Government schemes, which do not advance the concept of democracy in this country; and Government is spending money on projects and schemes, which already begin the liberty and freedom of the people of this country, as it has already impinged upon the liberty and freedom of the Press.
impinge further upon to to Tuan Ramli bin Omar (Krlan Darat): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun menyokong perbekalan tam- bahan tahun 1966.
Tuan Yang di- Pertua, sa-bagai sa-orang yang hidup di-dalam keluarga petani, yang bukan sahaja dapat memahami penderitaan dan penindasan yang di-tanggong oleh petani2 sa-lama ini tetapi juga pernah mengalami sendiri segala penderitaan dan penindasan itu, saya menguchap- terima kaseh kapada Kerajaan kan Perikatan yang bersunggoh2 membela nasib petani2 khas-nya ra'ayat luar bandar.
Salah satu bukti Kerajaan Perikatan dalam usaha membela nasib petani yang harus di-beri penghargaan ia-lah dengan ter- atau Lembaga tuboh-nya FAMA Pemasaran Persekutuan.

Pertanian Walau pun FAMA maseh umor-nya anak kechil yang belum berumor sa- telah tahun, tetapi riak kegiatan-nya usaha2-nya kerana mula menarek perhatian—membuka mata dan hati berbagai pehak atau gulongan.
Usaha FAMA meranchang- kan Lembaga Pemasaran Padi di- empat daerah ia-itu Jelapang Padi, Tanjong Karang, Sabak Bernam, Seberang Perai dan Pulau Pinang, saya dan Krian Perlis sendiri di-beri mandat oleh ra'ayat menjadi wakil mereka, amat meng- gembirakan seluroh petani2 khas-nya keempat2 daerah jelapang padi tersebut.
di-mana Ranchangan dan sistem pemasaran padi yang di-kemukakan oleh FAMA di-daerah2 tersebut harus di-beri soko- ngan yang ikhlas oleh semua pehak dengan sa-chara adil dan jujor, kerana pertimbangan yang adil dan jujor yang lahir daripada perasaan ikhlas dan flkiran yang sehat itu, bukan sahaja perlu dari segi peri kemanusiaan juga amat musthak menjadi tetapi amalan kapada seluroh ra'ayat negara kita masa ini untok mengeratkan perpaduan dan saling mengerti.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, menyentoh mengena'i kegiatan FAMA, walau pun saya menyatakan tadi FAMA belum pan berumor sa-tahun, tetapi FAMA bukan-lah umpama anak2 kechil yang menempoh perubahan hidup sa-tapak demi sa-tapak.

Tumpuan perhatian dan penghargaan yang di-berikan oleh istimewa-nya petani2 seluroh ra'ayat dan ra'ayat luar bandar terhadap usaha Lembaga FAMA meranchangkan itu harus menjadi Pemasaran Padi pendorong kapada atau FAMA untok bergerak lebeh2 giat lagi.
galakan harus FAMA bergerak segera ranchangan mengemukakan lain2 pemasaran-nya dalam bidang bahan pertanian dan perikanan negeri ini.

pula tahun 1965 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, menurut per- angkaan akhir terdapat 68,188 orang nelayan di-seluroh pantai Tanah Melayu.

Dengan angka ini tentu-lah sahaja dengan mudah dapat kita mengagak bahawa tidak kurang daripada sa-tengah million jiwa ra'ayat Tanah Melayu yang kehidupan mereka bergantong kapada perikanan.

Angka ini jangan-lah di-pandang kechil.


Nasib nelayan2 tidak harus di-pandang sepi.

terhadap Melambatkan pembelaan 1421 23 AUGUST 1966 1422 nasib ra'ayat bererti membiarkan sa- gulongan besar ra'ayat negeri ini di- tindas terus menerus dan memberi lagi peluang kapada gulongan kechil orang2 yang suka menchari kesempatan, ke- senangan, memperbaiki kedudokan dengan chara menindas orang2 yang telah sedia menderita yang di-harap sa- titek embun dari langit.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berharap rakan2 saya Ahli2 Yang Berhormat sakalian tidak salah faham menganali- sakan uchapan saya ini.

Apabila saya beruchap mengenai nelayan, bukan-lah bererti saya hanya membela hanya orang2 daripada jumlah nelayan2 di-Tanah Melayu sa- banyak 68,188 orang itu, bukan semua- nya orang Melayu.

Daripada jumlah terdapat 40,548 orang Melayu; itu lain2 27,155 orang China dan 485 ini perlu keturunan.

Semua mereka kapada pembelaan yang agak segera.


nelayan, kerana FAMA harus memulehkan nasib mereka2 ini dengan meranchangkan ranchangan2 pemasaran perikanan-nya yang adil.

FAMA tidak harus menan- tikan sa-telah selesai segala2-nya satu ranchangan baharu-lah memikirkan satu ranchangan lain.

Demikian juga.

ranchangan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pemasaran bahan pertanian yang lain— kelapa, buah2an dan sa-umpama-nya.
Menyentoh mengenai pemasaran padi dan beras pula, sa-panjang yang ini, kuasa2 yang saya tahu sa-lama lebeh besar saperti stock file—sim- panan beras dan sa-umpama-nya— ada-lah di-dalam tangan Kementerian Perdagangan.
Menurut pendapat saya, sa-lagi kuasa2 mengenai bahan per ini maseh di-dalam tanian negeri tangan Kementerian Perdagangan, namun usaha hendak memperbaiki system pemasaran itu di-jalankan oleh Kementerian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama, maka satu penyelesaian yang concrete dan memuaskan tidak akan dapat di-jalankan.
Di-sini saya suka-lah mengambil peluang berseru kapada Kementerian Perdagangan dengan chara ikhlas-nya dapat kira-nya menyerahkan segala kuasa mengenai pemasaran, bahan2 pertanian, perikanan dan sa-umpama- nya yang ada pada Kementerian itu di-serahkan kapada Kementerian Per tanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama.

Jadi, dengan anggaran perbekalan tambahan ini dalam Dewan yang mulia ini dapat ranchangan2 yang di- berjalan-lah harapkan oleh ra'ayat khas-nya petani2 dan di- yang dalam negara kita yang kaya-raya ini.
Terima kaseh.

nelayan2 saksama Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid (Sebe- rang Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya juga bangun untok menyokong Rang Undang2 Tambahan perunto- kan pembangunan dan saya ingin menarek perhatian Ahli2 Yang Ber hormat sakalian di-atas Kementerian Perdagangan dan Perusahaan.

dalam bahagian Perkara 22 ia-itu peruntokan wang sa-banyak $3,450,000 yang Kerajaan sendiri menanamkan modal dalam satu perusahaan melebor bijeh besi men- jadikan besi waja.
Ini-lah julong2 kali, pada pendapat saya, yang Kerajaan mengambil peru sahaan perintis dalam negara kita ini.

Jadi, saya berharap dengan ada-nya penanaman modal daripada Kerajaan sendiri yang mana wang ini ada-lah wang ra'ayat sementara waktu Kerajaan memegang saham2, atau peruntokan dalam perusahaan yang besar ini dan akhir-nya di-harap kapada pehak Kerajaan akan menjual- kan saham2 itu kapada ra'ayat2 yang lain yang ada kemampuan.
juga, buat ini, Mengikut perkongsian ia-itu daripada modal Kerajaan daripada mula modal luar negeri juga daripada orang2 yang hartawan dan orang2 yang ada wang sahaja.
Saya berharap supaya di-buat satu peratoran supaya pehak pekerja2 daripada kilang yang akan di-dirikan ini juga dapat me- mileki saham2 daripada perusahaan yang besar ini dan dapat-lah mereka itu bekerja lebeh giat lagi dan ber- tanggong-jawab dengan sa-penoh-nya untok mengeluarkan bahan2—menjadi- kan bahan2 sa-bagaimana bijeh besi ini kapada besi waja.
Juga saya ber sahaja me- harap Kerajaan bukan numpukan kapada satu perusahaan sahaja ia-itu meleborkan bijeh besi ini, bahkan ada lain2 bahan lagi yang berhasil bagi negara kita ini, patut juga 1423 23 AUGUST 1966 1424 ambil perhatian Kerajaan supaya membuat perusahaan yang sa-macham ini dengan champoran modal per- kongsian sa-bagaimana yang saya se- butkan tadi.
saya Satu perkara yang saya ingin me- narek perhatian, ia-itu mengena'i kilang kertas yang di-ura2kan hendak di- dirikan di-Lahat Tiang di-Seberang Prai Utara, kawasan sendiri, sudah mengambil masa lebeh daripada empat tahun sa-hingga hari ini, saya belum lagi dapat tahu, ada-kah kilang ini akan di-laksanakan.
Kalau Kera jaan telah pun mengeluarkan modal ka pada Kilang Besi Malayawata, saya khas-nya berharap Kerajaan Kementerian ini akan mengeluarkan modal untok mendirikan kilang kertas di-Lahat Tiang itu dengan sa-chepat mungkin.

juga Saya berharap Kerajaan akan mem- beri lebeh galakan lagi untok mendiri kan perusahaan2 taraf perintis yang mana di-gunakan bahan2 daripada negara kita sendiri.
Mithal-nya, saya sebutkan tadi, ia-itu bijeh besi kita, kita hantar ka-luar mentah2 dan mana- kala siap besi waja daripada luar, kita bawa masok ka-dalam negara kita.

Jadi, belanja pengangkutan sudah men- jadi dua kali ganda.

Jadi, oleh yang demikian, patut juga pehak Kerajaan menitek-beratkan supaya dapat men dirikan perusahaan di-dalam negara dengan menggunakan sendiri kita bahan2 yang lain.
Mithal-nya, kita ada banyak kayu kayan dalam negara kita yang kita boleh jadikan perusahaan2 veneer, atau pun kita katakan perusahaan sa- bagaimana buat papan yang di-kata- kan plywood dan lain2.

Jadi, bahan2 sa-bagaimana bijeh timah boleh di- adakan satu tempat lebor sendiri yang mana di-modalkan oleh Kerajaan dan juga oleh ra'ayat.
Dan dengan chara yang sa-macham ini sa-bagaimana yang di-tunjokkan peru sahaan2 yang lain sa-bagaimana yang ada dalam negara kita ini, ia-itu di- antara-nya Perkhidmatan Keretapi, Lembaga Letrik Negara, Surohanjaya Pelabohan, boleh-lah di-buka peluang kapada ra'ayat membeli saham2 men- jadikan hak milek Kerajaan, juga hak oleh Kerajaan, milek ra'ayat.

Dengan chara yang sa- ini dapat-lah perkhidmatan2 macham ini dan perusahaan2 berjalan dengan lebeh lebeh memuaskan.
itu lagi dan lichin Kerajaan ada memberi wang untok perusahaan, atau memberi pinjaman kapada orang2 yang ingin masok dalam perusahaan, ia-itu kapada satu Lembaga Malaysian Industrial Deve Finance Limited.
Kalau lopment sendiri-nya sudah Kerajaan dengan memasoki modal, ta' payah-lah di- untokkan wang sa-banyak2-nya kapada Malaysian Industrial Development Finance Limited ini, kerana Kerajaan sendiri boleh menanam modal sa-bagai perkongsian dengan perusahaan2 taraf perintis khas-nya daripada luar negeri dan juga daripada kita sendiri.
Boleh jadi di-anggapkan bahawa ra'ayat tidak ada wang, tetapi saya dapat tahu ia-itu Sharikat2 Kerjasama Jimat-Chermat daripada kaki-tangan Kerajaan dan juga sharikat2 yang lain yang ada berjuta2 ringgit yang boleh ini di-beri peluang kapada mereka menanam modal dalam perusahaan2 yang di-anjorkan oleh Kerajaan dan di-beri bahawa modal mereka ini tidak akan rugi.
Jadi, ini satu galakan yang boleh ra'ayat sendiri mengeluarkan wang, membeli saham, perusahaan2 sa-banyak2 mendirikan yang patut di-adakan bagi negara kita ini.
pengakuan ini tahun Yang kedua, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya juga tertarek hati di-atas perun- tokan Kementerian Pertanian me ngena'i Parit dan Taliayer, dan saya harap peruntokan yang bersharat sa- puloh ringgit, Butiran 17, Permatang Berah Sa-berang Utara itu di-laksana kan pada juga, kerana baharu2 ini, Yang Berhormat Menteri telah mengishtiharkan satu jenis padi yang di-namakan padi Ria.
Saya bagi pehak peladang2, khas-nya bagi negeri Pulau Pinang, menguchapkan sa- tinggi2 tahniah kapada Yang Berhormat yang Menteri, telah berusaha dengan giat-nya untok menambahkan hasil pertanian, ia-itu mengenai tanaman padi, yang mana perchubaan itu sangat-lah memuaskan, sa-hingga saya sendiri dapat menyaksi- kan bahawa satu ekar dengan di-baja pegawai2-nya, juga J?

"i 1425 23 AUGUST 1966 1426 180 sa-banyak pound, mendapat 1,350 gantang.
Ini ada-lah satu hasil atau pun satu kejayaan yang chemer- lang yang luar daripada dugaan saya sendiri.

Dan saya berharap dengan lagi Ranchangan2 ada-nya banyak Parit dan Taliayer yang memudahkan peladang2 membuat atau sawah dua kali sa-tahun, maka taraf hidup peladang2 dapat di-naikkan dari sa-masa ka-samasa.
bendang Saya juga ingin menarek perhatian Yang Berhormat Menteri Pertanian mengenai masaalah nelayan, bagai- mana yang di-sebutkan oleh sa-orang daripada wakil ia-itu nelayan tadi, tepi pantai dan nelayan yang menang- kap ikan sa-chara haram yang selalu- nya saya dan beberapa orang rakan saya bangkit dalam Dewan yang ber- bahagia ini, belum lagi dapat memuas- kan—tindakan yang di-ambil terhadap nelayan2 pukat tunda sa-chara haram.
ini perkara Jadi, saya berharap-lah Yang Ber hormat Menteri akan mengambil perhatian yang berat di-atas perkara ini.

Sa-kira-nya di- biarkan, harus boleh jadi satu perse- lisehan yang besar, jadi pergadohan yang besar di-antara nelayan2 pukat juga nelayan2 di-laut.
haram dan Kerana, orang ini berharap di-atas mata pencharian mereka sa-mata2 di- perusahaan menangkap atas ikan alat2 dengan menggunakan yang beberapa sendiri gunakan mereka lama, dan di-dalam kawasan2 yang mereka biasa menangkap ikan dengan tidak di-haru atau pun di-kachau oleh nelayan2 sa- chara haram.

ikan dengan tangkap Sa-kira-nya tidak di-kawal dengan sa-rapi2-nya saya churiga, harus boleh jadi beberapa kesulitan yang akan berbangkit tidak lama lagi.
Jadi, saya lagi sa-kali merayu kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri supaya mengambil perhatian atas perkara ini dan chuba dengan sa-berapa daya-nya menahan daripada banyak-nya pukat2 tunda sa- chara haram yang bermaharajalela di-pantai barat ini supaya di-hapuskan.

Akhir-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tadi dengar Yang Berhormat saya Wakil Tanjong mengatakan Kerajaan kita membelanjakan wang dengan sa- chara membazir, dan kata-nya segala projek2 yang di-buat oleh Kerajaan itu tidak menguntongkan kapada ra'ayat.
Boleh jadi Yang Berhormat wakil Tanjong itu tinggal di-dalam bandar.

Maka beliau tidak dapat-lah melihat projek2 yang di-bena oleh Kerajaan yang menguntongkan kapada ra'ayat.

Dan beliau tidak menyebut mana-kah satu projek yang tidak menguntong kan kapada ra'ayat.
Ini ada-lah satu tudohan yang sa-chara umum, yang tidak menentukan yang mana satu, dan ini saya mengambil peluang membangkang dengan keras-nya tudo han daripada wakil Tanjong itu, yang beliau sendiri tidak pun tahu apa-kah ni'mat yang ra'ayat telah dapat di-luar bandar sebab beliau sendiri tinggal di-Tanjong.

Saya harap Yang Ber itu dapat melawat di-luar2 hormat bandar, boleh jadi beliau dapat menu- karkan fikiran-nya daripada menudoh sa-chara melulu.

Terima kaseh.
Terima kaseh.

Dato' Abdullah bin Abdulrahman (Kuala Trengganu Selatan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun menyo- kong permohonan tambahan Estimate yang ada di-hadapan kita ini.

Saya rujokkan kapada Kementerian—Minis try of Lands and Mines, di-mana satu peruntokan untok memberi pinjaman wang kapada negeri Trengganu telah di-adakan bagi perusahaan kelapa sawit di-negeri itu.
Saya bagi pehak suka ra'ayat di-negeri Trengganu menguchapkan terima kaseh kapada Kementerian ini—Minis try of Lands and Mines dan Kerajaan Pusat kerana telah mengadakan per untokan wang ini.

berbanyak2 ini sawit Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tentu-lah projek atau pun ranchangan menanam akan memakan kelapa belanja yang besar, dan dari sebab itu saya berharap daripada satu masa ka-satu masa, Kerajaan Persekutuan akan menambah lagi pinjaman kapada Kerajaan Negeri Trengganu ini.
Ran changan ra'ayat ini akan menolong dengan banyak, menambah hasil Kera jaan Negeri, yang mana wang-nya di-gunakan kemudian ekonomi untok meninggikan orang2 rasa, taraf itu.

Saya di-negeri dapat akan 1427 23 AUGUST 1966 1428 saperti scheme2, projek2 yang ini, akan menguntongkan yang mana jelata dan dapat menolong ra'ayat meninggikan ra'ayat jelata, patut sangat menerima galakan dan sokongan yang sa-wajar daripada Kerajaan Pusat.
ekonomi taraf Saya juga suka menyentoh berke- naan dengan Kementerian Kerja Raya, Pos dan Talikom.

Ini yang banyak jalan2 baharu.

Saya suka mengenai' berchakap sadikit berkenaan dengan jalan di-atas Bukit Bentong.

Kita dapati banyak orang2 kita dan juga pelanchong2 yang datang melawat ka- negeri ini melalui jalan Bukit Bentong.

jalan Bukit Bentong pada Keadaan masa sangat ini ada-lah mendukachitakan.
Di-satengah2 tempat jalan-nya terlampau sempit dan kita itu runtoh serta dapati kereta2 menggendalakan motor yang mengikut jalan di-situ.
tanah bukit lalu-lintas sekarang Saya berharap kapada Kementerian yang berkenaan supaya mengadakan jalan2 baharu yang boleh meluruskan (straighten up) jalan2 yang bengkok dan mana2 sempit di- jalan yang perbesarkan supaya standard atau pun mutu jalan di-Bukit Bentong itu dapat di-perbaiki dan ini tidak memalukan pelanchong2 Kerajaan kita kapada yang mana kita jalan Bukit tahu Bentong jalan Federal (Federal highway).

itu ada-lah Satu perkara lagi ia-lah mengenai Kementerian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tadi saudara2 saya baharu sa-kejap Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada kawa- san2 lain telah menyebut berkenaan pembelaan ekonomi kaum2 nelayan dan kaum2 satu tani.

Saya perkara yang mustahak di-jalankan dengan segera ia-lah menambah trac tor2 untok di-beri sewa kapada kaum2 tani dengan harga yang murah oleh pehak Kerajaan.
Kita tahu pada masa sekarang ini kaum2 tani tidak terdaya membayar sewa yang mahal untok mendapatkan tractor2 daripada orang2 perniagaan atau pun taukeh2 yang ada mempunyai itu untok di- sewakan, tractor2 rasa Bagitu juga, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, satu peranan yang boleh di-mainkan oleh Kementerian ini bagi meninggi taraf ekonomi kaum2 nelayan kan dengan segera dan dengan berkesan di-dalam jangka pendek ia-lah dengan jalan Kerajaan membeli sa-berapa banyak motor2 pukat dan engine untok di-beri sewa dengan harga yang murah kapada kaum2 nelayan ini.
di-negeri2 lebeh Saya dapati ini, pukat2 di-Pantai Timor banyak kaum2 nelayan terpaksa menyewa pukat2 motor dengan harga yang mahal daripada taukeh2 tempatan.

Kadang2 di-dapati daripada separoh pendapatan mereka terpaksa mereka menggunakan untok membayar sewa motor2 ini kapada taukeh2 yang mempunyai motor2 tadi.

Jadi di-sini sangat kedudokan-nya dan keadaan mendukachitakan, walhal kita tahu kaum2 nelayan ini hanya mendapat lebeh kurang $50-$60 sa-bulan sa-bagai nafkah-nya.
Kalau-lah Kerajaan dapat mengadakan motor2 ini, untok di-beri sewa dengan berganda2 murah daripada taukeh2 tadi, boleh- lah nelayan2 ini mendapat hasil yang lebeh banyak sa-bagai nafkah mereka.

satu daripada faham sebab-nya barangkali kita tidak dapat mengadakan ini dengan ranchangan chepat ia-lah oleh kerana ada-nya kelemahan di-dalam Pergerakan Shari kat Kerjasama (Co-operative Move ment).
Kalau-lah bagini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, maka patut-lah sangat pehak Kerajaan menchari sa-ribu satu daya ikhtiar untok membaiki kedudokan atau pun pergerakan sharikat kerja sama ini dan kalau sharikat kerjasama tidak dapat di-perbaiki dengan ini chepat, maka motor2 yang hendak buat di-beri sementara, di-letakkan di-bawah ja- gaan Badan2 saperti MARA, lain FAMA, Pejabat Perikanan atau pun lain2 badan lagi.
tadi boleh-lah Saya dapat sewa Tetapi apa yang saya rasa ia-lah kita tidak mampu menunggu terlampau lama untok menolong kaum2 nelayan ini dengan sa-chara lebeh berkesan.
Tidak-lah saya menafikan pada masa sekarang ini telah banyak ranchangan2 di-jalankan oleh Kerajaan untok meno long kedua2 kaum nelayan dan kaum 1429 23 AUGUST 1966 1430 tani tetapi apa yang saya katakan tadi, pada pendapat saya, ada-lah satu2-nya perkara yang boleh di-jalankan dengan jangka pendek boleh meninggikan taraf ekonomi bagi kedua2 puak orang2 kita ini.

Sekian sahaja, terima kaseh.


Mr Speaker: Sudah sampai masa- nya, barangkali elok saya terangkan kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, de ngan kerana kesuntokan masa bila persidangan ini bersidang balek pada pukul 4.00 petang, kita akan beri peluang kapada Menteri2 menjawab usul2 yang di-kemukakan.

Persidangan ini di-tempohkan hingga pukul 4.00 petang.

Sitting suspended at 1 p.m.

Sitting resumed at 4 p.m. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) THE DEVELOPMENT (SUPPLE MENTARY) (No.

1) ESTIMATES, 1966 Debate resumed.


The Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications (Tan Sri V. T. Sambanthan): Am I to reply, Sir?

Mr Speaker: Yes.

Tan Sri V. T. Sambanthan: Mr Spea ker, Sir, this morning the Member for Kuala Trengganu Selatan asked if the Ministry could take action to straighten and widen the Bentong Road, as this road there is narrow, winding and have been a few land slides.

I would like to say that about twelve miles of this road are very winding and that there have been slides.
One solution is to have a two-mile long tunnel, but this is found to cost about $40 million which is unduly prohibi into an tive.

We are also alternative road which would cost less, but in the meanwhile we are looking into the economic appraisal of this to see whether particular road and improving this would be better than the existing stretch of road.
looking land I would, Sir, like to take this oppor tunity of replying to a particular point raised by the Honourable Member for Batu in that he said that the Director- General of Telecommunications was going to be sent to Geneva and his these Deputy officers have been for three years in their present jobs without confirmation.

to Sarawak, and that Sir, there is no such intention, and the Honourable Member got where his information from, I do not know.
Whether he is trying to suggest that, because both members are Chinese, there is a strong element of discrimi nation against them.

I do not know.

But, I certainly think that it is a very unfair suggestion, because he should have checked up on his figures.

In fact, the Director-General, Mr Chew Kam Pok, and Mr Lee Chye Watt, the Deputy Director-General, have been in their jobs only for about a year and three months, and not three years.
When I asked Mr Chew as to what he thought about the question raised by the Honourable Member, he said, "He is talking utter nonsense".

I can assure Dr Tan Chee Khoon: On a point of clarification, I am glad to be proved wrong, although the Honourable Minister that I did not cohabit or hibernate with either of the officers concerned.

I did not mention any names and I got the information from very reliable sources.

But, any way, I am very glad I have been proved wrong.
Tan Sri V. T. Sambanthan: I do not think the Honourable Member is a homosex to cohabit with other males.

But of these officers, I might say that there is not the least doubt in my mind at all that they would care to talk to him or discuss with him about their service matters.

They are officers of high character and dependability, and I have for them, and they would be the last to go to the Member for Batu to speak to him about their complaints, and they do not have complaints.
I would only be glad if the Honourable Member does not go round chasing wild hens.

the highest regard in this House 1431 23 AUGUST 1966 1432 for import to bumiputras this House approved industry, because no Dr Lim Swee Aun: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Member for Malacca Selatan charged my Ministry for not in commerce helping the bumiputras and special quotas, or no special import licences, the were given importation of certain goods that had been placed on the restricted import list.
Sir, I have on many occasions explained to this House the reasons why we must have import licensing, and when the Tariff Advisory Board Act it approved the use of licensing as a method in helping our local factories their goods.
However, to protect import licensing is introduced before the Tariff Advisory Board holds its public hearing, so as to ensure that importers will not stock-pile the goods increased duties; in anticipation of and, secondly, that the import licensing would be taken away when the Tariff Advisory Board is satisfied that the level of the protective duty is suffi ciently high to give adequate protection for our factories and yet give competi tion from imported goods.
So, you will see, Sir, this quota or import control temporary measure.

of goods it does temporary, Although mean that when it is effective it would the volume of affect business importers.

With industrialisation, it is hoped that take there would also be a smooth over in the marketing of our locally made goods, and it is here that we must get the co-operation of importers and distributors, as well as retailers, so that more and more locally-made goods can be sold in the market.
If we do not get the co-operation of the distribution services, then the market ing of locally made goods will find import difficulties.

Therefore, when licensing is introduced and there is a gradual reduction in the quota of the amount of goods to be imported, it means importer will be less and less, the volume importing of his business will get less and less.
But it is hoped that in the meantime, the this importers transition period, would take over from the manufac turers the distribution of the locally is a is it established reduce that and the of to import—the volume made goods, so that what he is not allowed that he is not allowed to import because of the quota—could be taken up from the producer, thus helping the flow of goods.

is Sir, when quota restriction in force, we usually reduce it by per centages.
It might be, at the early stages, 110% of the previous year's imports and gradually, as the factories produce more and more goods, the quota is reduced to 75%, 50%, 25% or even 10%, or zero per cent.
Sir, if the Government decided to put on this quota, then there must be fairness and justice on how to distribute this quota among the importers, and we have found that the fairest way is for all importers of that particular goods to register themselves and show proof, with documentary evidence, the volume of their imports the previous year; in this way, when there is a reduction in the volume of imports, then the distri bution of the quota would be accord ing to past performance, thus taking away any possible charge of favouri tism or unfairness, and this system has worked very well.
But if a special quota is to be given out of the quota to the bumiputras, the volume of this special quota would be relatively small compared to the total import, and then we get a big problem of how do we distribute this special quota the to the bumiputras.

As most of applicants have not had any past performance, it would be very difficult to decide who should get it and at what volume.
Hence, it was decided by my Ministry, since it would create a the lot of dissatisfaction among bumiputras, that instead of giving them a special quota out of the quota that they be encouraged to draw supplies although from they have never been in the business before—that is to say that companies formed by bumiputras or individual bumiputras can become distributors of the local factories, although they were not before dealing those goods.
Unfortunately, Sir, this has not been very popular, because it has meant involving capital and business "know how" and the chain of distribution.

I the manufacturers, in 1433 23 AUGUST 1966 1434 the import licence have, however, many appeals from the bumiputras for this special quota out of the quota, because they say—and I have got letter with me— "although I am not a merchant, if you can give me an to import flour or sugar, I would be able to make some money quickly".
Sir, I agree with the Honourable Member for Seberang Utara that there are still many fields, where factories can be local raw set up materials, particularly in the field of the I would industry; and certainly hope that Malaysians, both Malay get together and form one hundred per cent.

Malaysian capital to set up these factories, and I can assure them that wherever possible my Ministry would give them every assistance to gain pioneer status.
to make use of non-Malay, timber and can The Honourable Member for Sebe rang Utara suggested that workers in factories should be given the oppor tunity to buy shares in the factories.

Sir, this has already been done in quite a number of the large public companies, that have put their shares in the market the day of allocation a and on percentage of these shares had been reserved the factories.
large factories, the workers the for in that that The Honourable Member for Sebe rang Utara also wants to know when will the pulp and paper factory be set up in Lahad Tiang.
Although it is now no more my responsibility, as it has to MARA, if since been transferred the Honourable Member had looked at the Written Answers on page 5, he would have seen the position today the Government has is that MARA and MIDFL decided should take over the responsibilities for establishing a pulp and paper mill, which would be a joint venture among MARA, MIDFL and the Federation of Malaya Fertiliser and Paper Indus trial Co-operative Society Ltd.
The Government has also decided that when the mill becomes a viable economic proposition, the Federation of Malaya Fertiliser and Paper Indus trial Co-operative Society Ltd. should be given the option of purchasing all the shares of MARA and MIDFL in the company.

The Government is convinced the most this effective way of launching the project.

Thank you.
Thank you.

that is The Minister of Local Government and Housing (Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh): Sir, I wish to reply to points raised by the Honourable Member for Tanjong in connection with my Ministry.

to the Firstly, the Honourable Member referred loan of $1,100,000 entered as supplementary provision to the Government Officers' Co-operative Housing Society.
The Honourable Member raised the question whether any measures were being to check whether Government officers live in their houses instead of renting them, and also with regard to their enjoying housing benefits from Govern ment, such as housing allowance, etc., while getting loans to build their own houses.
taken Mr Speaker, Sir, as we all know in the past, the question of Government servants own housing has been tackled in a piecemeal manner, and it was only until recently that this has been tackled in a more concrete way by some of the Government Co-operative Housing Societies and other measures the to be Government.

taken up very soon by that the case In connection with these houses, it is not always the Government officers live in the same place of work.
As we all know, we have Federal Departments and State Departments and an officer may not be posted to the same place as where he has chosen to build his house.

By and large, the intention is that such Government officers will have a house to go back to by the time that he or she retires.

With regard to his continuing to draw housing allowance, etc., these are matters pertaining to Government and employees relationship and is a matter to be the proper machinery.
taken up by 1435 23 AUGUST 1966 1436 Regarding the second point raised for the Honourable Member by Tanjong—he doubted the necessity of providing grants for minor works in local authority areas for reasons that there has been suspension of local authorities and further more there has been suspension of elections to local authorities—I do not see the relevance of his argument here, because whether there has been suspension of elections to local authorities or not, or whether there has been suspension of local authorities themselves, life must go on in local authority areas: e.g., drains must be repaired, roads must is be incumbent upon my Ministry to see that such grants continue to be given for minor works local authority areas.
therefore, repaired and, the in it Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Pulau Pinang Selatan meminta supaya Kementerian saya mengambil langkah2 bagi menghapuskan pukat2 tunda yang tidak mempunyai lesen atau pun yang haram kerana pukat2 tunda ini menye- babkan kesusahan kapada nelayan2 yang ada di-tepi pantai negeri kita ini.
tunda yang ia-itu pukat2 Sa-bagaimana yang saya telah mene- rangkan beberapa kali, sama ada di- dalam perjumpaan mahu pun di-dalam tunda haram akhbar, atau pun pukat2 tidak berlesen sahaja menjadi musoh kapada nelayan2 yang di-tepi juga menjadi pantai musoh Kerajaan, kerana mereka ini ada-lah melanggar undang2 Kerajaan dan tidak pula membayar lesen2 untok menjalankan perusahaan itu.
tetapi ada-lah ini bukan Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Ker- jasama (Tuan Haji Mohamed Ghazali bin Haji Jawi): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka menjawab sadikit sa-banyak tegoran yang di-buat oleh Ahli2 Yang Berhormat pagi tadi terutama sa-kali daripada Melaka Selatan ia-itu beliau menegor supaya tanah2 tidak di-ambil untok Ranchangan2 Tali Ayer sa- telah berlaku di- bagaimana yang Melaka kerana ini akan menyusahkan ra'ayat di-dalam kawasan Rancha ngan Tali Ayer itu.
ranchangan2 Ada-lah menjadi dasar Kerajaan tidak akan menyusahkan ra'ayat sa- boleh2-nya, tetapi, sa-bagaimana Ahli itu sedia ma'alum, Yang Berhormat Ranchangan2 Tali Ayer baru tidak dapat di-jalankan melainkan dengan tanah2 mengambil sadikit sa-banyak untok mengadakan itu.

Kajian2 dan siasatan yang halus dan teliti telah di-buat dan akan di-buat bagi masa yang akan datang supaya ra'ayat yang ada di-dalam kawasan tidak mendapat kesusahan yang itu besar itu sa-kira-nya Ranchangan hendak di-majukan.
Dan manakala Kerajaan mengambil tanah2 itu untok Ranchangan Tali Ayer atau sa-bagai- nya maka tuan2 tanah itu akan di- bayar dengan ganti rugi yang berpa- tutan, dan taksiran berkenaan dengan ini ada-lah di-buat oleh ganti rugi Kerajaan Negeri.
Bagi menchegahkan perkara ini, Jabatan Perikanan telah pun mengada kan 11 buah bot pada masa ini untok merunda di-kawasan2 tepi pantai dan di-bawah Ranchangan Malaysia Yang Pertama ini pehak Kerajaan telah pun menguntokkan wang yang agak besar untok menambahkan kapal2 runda bagi mengamankan perusahaan nela yan yang ada dalam negeri ini.
Pehak ada-lah Kementerian saya satu berchadang untok mengadakan chawangan pemereksaan dan runda di-bawah Jabatan Perikanan dan saya berharap dengan dapat-nya tambahan bot2 yang akan di-beli sadikit masa lagi maka dapat-lah pehak Jabatan Perikanan mengawal dengan lebeh ketat berkenaan dengan keselamatan nelayan2 tepi pantai dan dapat-lah kita menjalankan ikhtiar untok menghapus kan pukat2 tunda atau pun pukat harimau yang haram dalam negeri ini.
sendiri Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Kuala Trengganu Selatan telah menge- shorkan supaya Kerajaan memberi bantuan kapada peladang2 dan nelayan2 dengan mengadakan trekter2, motorbot dan sa-bagai-nya untok di-sewa.
Sa- kira-nya Sharikat2 Kerjasama tidak ini, dapat menjalankan pada masa maka hendak-lah ini tanggong-jawab di-jalankan oleh satu2 badan, dengan sebab, kata-nya, peladang2 dan juga nelayan2 ada-lah menyewa perkakas2 1437 23 AUGUST 1966 1438 tengah dan pun memasokkan ini daripada orang ter- paksa membayar lebeh kurang 50% daripada pendapatan mereka kapada orang2 tengah ini.
Jabatan Pertanian telah ka-dalam Ranchangan Malaysia Yang Pertama peruntokan bagi mengadakan bantuan2 trekter dan perkakas pertanian yang lain2 lagi kapada petani2 dan juga mengadakan motorbot dan perkakas penangkapan ikan yang moden kapada nelayan2.

Di-bawah peruntokan itu perkakas bagi pertanian berharga lebeh $400,000 dan perkakas untok menangkap ikan termasok bot ia-lah $1,853,000.
Bagi tahun 1967 kelak peruntokan yang lebeh kurang telah pun di- sama chadangkan dan dengan peruntokan2 ini dapat-lah Jabatan ini memberi bantuan pinjaman kapada petani2 dan nelayan2 dalam negeri ini.
Pada masa ini pinjaman2 di-beri yang kapada Sharikat2 Kerjasama berkenaan dengan bantuan membeli atau pun mengadakan alat penangkap ikan dan saperti bot berikut: lebeh kurang ada-lah telah $300,000, Di-bawah Ranchangan Lima Tahun Yang Kedua, Persatuan Sharikat2 Nela yan Pantai Timor telah pun di-beri pinjaman sa-banyak $1,280,000, Shari kat Nelayan Kuala Linggi telah di- beri Sharikat Nelayan Kuala Sanglang telah di-beri pinjaman sa-banyak $40,000.
Di-bawah Ran changan Malaysia Yang Pertama, Sharikat Nelayan Kuala Kedah telah di-beri $120,000 dan Sharikat Nelayan Telok Pahang di-beri $58,000, Sharikat Nelayan Telok Gadong $68,000 dan Sharikat Nelayan Tanjong Piandang $120,000.

Pinjaman2 berkenaan dengan telah di-beri kapada pertanian Sharikat2 Kerjasama.

Sa-bagaimana yang tuan2 sedia ma'alum, baharu2 ini kita telah memberi sa-banyak $1.7 juta pinjaman kapada Bertam Estate.
Ran changan2 pinjaman ini akan di-teruskan bagi masa akan datang bagi membaiki kehidupan dan keadaan petani2 dan nelayan2 yang ada dalam negeri ini.
sa-umpama juga Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Krian Darat telah berchakap panjang lebar berkenaan dengan FAMA dan mempunyai harapan yang penoh yang FAMA akan dapat menjalankan ikhtiar bagi membaiki kehidupan dan keadaan ra'ayat yang bandar ada di-luar terutama sa-kali berkenaan dengan pemasaran dan mendapatkan harga yang berpatutan bagi hasil mahsul yang di-keluarkan oleh petani2 dan nelayan2 dalam negeri ini.
Pehak FAMA telah pun menjalankan tugas mereka dan sa-hingga hari ini mereka telah bagi pun menchadangkan mengadakan 4 ranchangan pemasaran padi ia-itu di-Perlis, Seberang Perai dan Pulau Pinang, di-Krian dan di- Tanjong Karang dan Sabak Bernam.
Kenyataan2 berkenaan dengan cha- dangan ini telah pun di-siarkan dalam Warta Kerajaan dan tempoh sa-bulan sa-kira-nya ada mana2 pehak yang hendak mendatangkan bantahan telah pun tamat pada 8hb Ogos ini dan sa- hingga hari ini perbicharaan atau pun hearing telah pun di-adakan pada tiga tempat ia-itu di-Kuala Lumpur, di- Perlis dan sekarang ini FAMA sedang mengadakan pendengaran atau pun hearing di-Pulau Pinang.
Jadi akhir saya berharap pada bulan ini atau pun awal bulan depan, chadangan2 yang tertentu akan di- kemukakan oleh FAMA kapada saya, untok persetujuan dan sa-lepas itu penubohan Lembaga2 Pemasaran Padi itu akan dapat di-jalankan.

Pada masa ini FAMA bukan sahaja menumpukan perhatian-nya bagi mengadakan Lem baga Pemasaran Padi bahkan pegawai2 FAMA ada-lah menjalankan siasatan berkenaan dengan keadaan pemasaran ikan2 di-dalam negeri ini.
juga Saya perchaya ta'lama lagi FAMA akan dapat mengeshorkan untok me- nubohkan Lembaga2 Pemasaran ikan yang ada di-dalam negeri ini.
Saya suka-lah menegaskan di-dalam Dewan tidak ini ia-itu FAMA sudah tentu dapat menumpukan kapada semua pemasaran hasil2 pertanian yang ada di-dalam negeri sangat banyak jenis hasil pertanian dan sa- kira-nya tumpuan itu di-beri kapada semua jenis hasil pertanian boleh jadi tidak akan berjaya semua dengan kakitangan, kurang masa dan kurang pengetahuan dan sa-bagai-nya, sebab kurang ini kerana sa-kali 1439 23 AUGUST 1966 1440 arahan kapada ikan dan Oleh yang demikian saya telah pun FAMA memberi supaya pada masa ini menumpukan sahaja kapada dua hasil pertanian ia-itu padi dan sa-lepas selesai masaalah pemasaran padi ini jadi hasil pekeluaran yang boleh ketiga yang kita akan tumpukan ia-lah lain2.
kelapa dan sa-terus-nya pula Jadi itu-lah perkara2 yang di-bangkit- kan di-dalam Dewan ini dan saya uchapkan terima kaseh kapada ahli2 yang menyokong berkenaan dengan penubohan dan menyeru supaya galakan atau sokongan penoh di-beri kapada pergerakan FAMA bagi masa akan datang.
FAMA Tun Dr Ismail: Mr Speaker, Sir, Enche' Stephen Yong Kuet Tze, a Member from Sarawak, in his observa tions made the remark, and he indeed preface that he the remark, saying had not gone to see the Centre for protective custody at the sixth mile in Kuching.

So, from that prefaced remark, one could see that all his observations are made only on hearsay.
Sir, this is a good lesson for Members of Parliament because Members of Parliament are supposed to be respon sible for what they say in this House, and they must check on the fact.

In the Honourable Member this case, could easily check the truth or otherwise of any statement he wanted to make in the House, because as Member of Parliament he would be given the opportunity to visit that Centre for protective custody, but he had not chosen to do so.
for himself Dr Tan Cfoee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, is the Honourable Minister telling us that when we, as Members of Parliament, go and see detainees in detention camps, we can not only see them in a place set for that purpose but we can also go round the camp and look at the lighting, the ventila tion, the height of rooms and the like?

I would be very grateful for an answer by the Honourable Minister.

should do this work.


However, if any Honourable Member should choose to bring up the subject in this House, at least, he should take the opportunity to see for himself.

I am not advocating that Members of Parliament should go and inspect every detention camp, but if a Member of Parliament wished to make observations on any centre of protective custody, then he can ask me for permission to do.
in this House: Now, Sir, the Honourable Member, Mr Stephen Yong, did not do so and as a result, he made a lot of erroneous statements for example, he said that the ceiling of the Camp is too low, so much so that the staff and detainees found working and living conditions too hot.

Sir, I have just returned from examining that Centre and the staff told me that they were very happy indeed to work in such pleasant surrounding and in such beautiful buildings.
As regards that it is too hot working in that detention camp, I can vouch for myself that I have been to Sarawak and I have found that it is always hot in Sarawak, except during the cool season.
Now, Sir, as regards the height of the ceiling the height of the ceiling is 11 feet, and it is therefore not consi dered low for the building, this has been referred to the Health authorities before the building operation was started and no comment was made regarding it was the height when referred to the Health authority.

He also mentioned there were no that lavatories for the use of visitors in the detention camp.
Tf he had gone to the camp, he would see that about 200 feet away room there is a lavatory for the use of the staff which can be used by the visitors.

If it is found that the lavatory is not enough, then we may consider building a lavatory for visitors, but it is not expected their friends in the Centre also should make use of the Centre to perform whatever hygienic necessity they require.

that visitors visiting the visitors' from Tun Dr Ismail: The Honourable Member for Batu has a very twisted mind.
Now, I say that but I do not that Honourable Members suggest Then, Sir, he made the wild state ment that no thought was given to planning by both the architect and the Department concerned.

He knows for 1441 23 AUGUST 1966 1442 it that time took some himself to build this camp—this is because we wanted to plan, because the architect wanted to plan it properly and also because concerned the Department wanted to make a proper job of it.
if a supplementary estimate is And asked for, the Honourable Member should know that it was such a big centre and it is not unusual sometimes to under-estimate the cost.

in that the editorials Now, Sir, I come to the Honourable Member for Batu.

He is, of course, when speaking at this time, one a rather good wicket, because we know that the Honourable Member always tried in this House to voice grievances and in this case there is some truth in what he said.
He referred to the incident of the 14th August, 1966, when the members of the Press were manhandled and assaulted by members of the riot unit.

He termed this as an outrageous and disgraceful behaviour on the part of the Police, who were there to maintain law and order, and not to take law into themselves.

He then quoted the Straits Times and the Eastern Sun.

He also quoted statements made by the O.C.P.D.

and Deputy O.C.P.D., Kuala they Lumpur and commented needed to undergo a public relations course.
In replying to this, I would like first of all to inform the House that recently, and we may expect in the future, quite a number of these illegal processions I would not mind telling the House that I have intelligence that this is part of the communist plan in this country and part of the extreme element of the Honourable Member's party, to make these illegal processions and to exploit other processions for their own benefit; in order to discredit the Police and the Government in the eyes of the people.
So, Sir, when an illegal procession takes place, if it is an illegal procession based on genuine grievance, it is likely to be exploited by the communists and by the extremists of the Honourable Member's party, and the communists and the Honourable Member's party are them selves planning to have these illegal processions from now onwards.

the extreme elements taking place.


in Sir, the duty of the Police riot unit is to enforce the law of this country, that is, if a procession is considered illegal, it is the duty of the Federation Riot Unit to break up that procession and, if possible, to make arrests.

Now, Sir, when the Federation Riot Unit tries to disperse an illegal procession they do so in a very systematic manner.
First of all, a warning is given to dis perse, and if the procession refuses to disperse, then the Police will have to go among the crowd and to use force to break up that illegal procession.

In the course of doing so, and you must remember here that the Federation Riot Unit by members in the procession, there is always danger for the policemen doing their duties in breaking up these illegal processions.

Now, Sir, on this occasion of course, there was an illegal proces sion going on.
The Federation Riot Unit was there and the usual warning was given for the procession to disperse, but when the procession kept going on the Police had to use force to disperse the procession.

outnumbered always is Now, Sir, in doing so, the Police tried to make some arrests, and it was here that the mistake took place—I have given instruction that they should avoid this mistake in the future.
The Police kept on chasing these members of the illegal procession and also those who were warned by the Police to be away from the Procession, because if they were in the vicinity of the proces sion they were considered as being illegal there and could also be arrested.

I admit, Sir, that in this case members of this Riot Unit for reasons which I do not know, and we are investigating into this, used force and assault on members of the Press.
This we have to admit, and that is why in my meet ing with the delegation of the national Press, I asked for their co-operation to get witnesses, who can identify these policemen, who are responsible for this assault on the Press.

Up to date no one, including the victims of the assault, has the policemen been able to identify responsible this assault.

Quite obviously, we cannot punish the whole Unit for the disgraceful behaviour for one or two of them.
Here, Sir, I would for 1443 23 AUGUST 1966 1444 like to inform the Honourable Member that the Press has stated, and the Police has stated, that the relations between the two have been cordial and co operative so far, except for this inci dent.
That is why I, as the Minister responsible, and the Inspector-General of Police and the Deputy Inspector- General of Police have been trying to get the culprits, who perpetrated this assault, but so far we have not been able to trace the guilty ones, because they could not be identified.

That is the first part of the question brought by the Honourable Member.

that Sir, I now come to the second part the about the statements made by O.C.P.D.

and Deputy O.C.P.D., Kuala Lumpur.


Up to date, investigation has revealed this officer, who was named by the Honourable Member, issued a statement; in that statement he said that he had never mentioned that he did not care for the Press, and that what he wanted to convey was that in the course of enforcing the law nobody is above the law and that includes the Press, Ministers and the Honourable Member himself.
That was what the policemen was trying to convey, but unfortunately, during questioning the Press kept on asking him questions, and he was not adept enough to answer the Press and had not been also quick enough to deny that he had made each statement to the Press.

As this misunderstanding, I a result of have given instructions to the Inspector- General of Police that we must have a proper procedure, whereby the Police can give to avoid misunderstanding in the future.

We are working on that procedure.


the Press interview to Finally, Sir, I would like to state here that the Royal Malaysia Police about has a personnel numbering 30,000.
I must admit that among the 30,000 we cannot expect them to be angels—there must be some bad hats in general, among the the Roval Malaysia reputation of Police is very good, well-known to the country, and respected by the country, and the relationship between the Police and the Press, as I have said, has been very cordial, very co-oDerative, and it is my duty as a Minister, and also them.
But, in this country and it is the intention of the Inspector- General of Police, that this relationship should continue for the benefit of the country.

Here, I would like to remind the House again, that these illegal pro cessions are numerous, and will be becoming more and more numerous, in pursuance of the policy of the com munists their sympathisers to create incidents, where by they can bring the name of the Police and the Government into dis grace in the eyes of the public.
By whatever means they can, they will try to do it.

They will make use of illegal processions, because processions with out permission are illegal; and even if these illegal processions have genuine grievances, the communists will try to exploit them, and they themselves will try to stage illegal processions.

That is the only statement that I have to make in regard to this unfortunate incident.
Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker, Sir, in winding up the debate, I must say that the level of debate by the Opposi tion Members has sunk to a very, very, low level.

They have been playing to the gallery and have been telling untruths and castigating the Govern ment for things that the Government has not done.

Let us take, for example, the Honour able Member from Sarawak, Enche' Stephen Yong.
He said that we should give more development estimates to the Sarawak Inland Revenue Department, so that they can have more staff there and thus have better collection of taxes which will increase the revenue of the country.

He did not bother to wait for the Supply Bill in respect of which we have stated very clearly that we are going to increase the number of staff of the Inland Revenue Department the in Sarawak.

He Government for not doing so.

This is an untruth.
This is an untruth.

I do not know whether the Members of the Opposition really do their homework.

just castigated the Member for Batu, he As for castisated in the Government, and doing so he said that he was not here yesterday when I pave my speech—and he was partly rieht and nartlv wrong, because he was here at the end of my 1445 23 AUGUST 1966 1446 speech: he happened to go out and came in later, because he wanted to give an adjournment speech.
This is the type of untruth which Members of the Opposition usually tell.

Now, Sir, he says that we are getting into difficulties and we should get a re-appraisal of our development pro jects, as our development projects have not been projected for four years, and I have failed in my duty in my speech that out.

The question of to point development together with the question of supply has been given to this House in the First Malaysia Plan—that is, a plan for five years.
This is only a supplementary development estimate.

So, how am I going to give a projection for five years?

As for us getting into serious difficulties, I can assure the Honourable Member for Batu that his money is quite safe with the Central Government.

I know that he has got a great deal of money, and if he is afraid that his money will be devalued, I can assure him that it will be quite safe.

Beyond that I do not think he has said anything concerning the Treasury, and finance in particular.
that we have no As for the Member for Bungsar, he long-term said planning.

Mr Speaker, Sir, we have the First Malaysia Plan produced in this House, and have issued it to all Mem bers.

We have debated it, and spoken at length about it, and yet he says that we have no long-term planning and that we were over-confident and over- dependent on foreign aid for our deve lopment as well as our Supply Bills.
Mr Speaker, Sir, I have said it before, and I say it again now that in regard to our domestic debt and our foreign debt, our foreign debt is only one quarter of what our domestic debt is.

If that is not proved to be so, why must he still be harping on the fact that we are getting more foreign aid and that foreign aid has not come up to expectation and that is why we have to abolish the preferential tariffs for the Commonwealth countries?
Mr Speaker, Sir, my Minister has stated in no uncertain terms that the abolishment of Commonwealth preferential is not aimed at any nation, but because of a deficit in our current account; in tariffs is other words, in our Supply Bill for the year there is a deficit between income and expenditure.

So, we have to find ways and means to get money.

One of the ways to abolish preferential tariffs which should bring us roughly $37 million, all things being equal.
In other words, if the number of cars that are being sold is still the same, the amount of goods sold from Common wealth countries is still the same, we should get $37 million, which should help us in our domestic budget.

The Member for Bungsar also casti gated the Government saying that we have not given priority to economic and that we have only started prestige projects.

Sir, I beg to differ.

Since 1964, I cannot remember any prestige pro jects which the Treasury has passed.
All moneys now being used by various Ministries are for economic projects, except for security.

Members of this House know that subversion is rife in this country and we cannot help but support the Ministry of Home Affairs to combat subversion.

Now, I come the Government the Honourable to Member for Tanjong.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I note that Honourable Members, who shout the loudest when I am here, are always absent when I give my reply.
The Honourable Member for Tanjong has castigated for being so optimistic when going round the world to the "Aid Malaysia Club" countries, and he said that we failed miserably.

Mr Speaker, Sir, nothing is further from the truth.

We did not fail, but how much each country is supposed to give us at the present moment is still under negotiation, as has been stated by the Minister of Finance— and it is correct.

The only thing we fail to get is the $630 million grant from the United Kingdom.
If we did not get this grant, then we will have to find other means to narrow the gap, in order to fulfil our First Malaysia Plan.

to get money Mr Speaker, Sir, obviously, the Member for Tanjong is not aware of the feeling of the pepole in this country and the threat of communism to this country.

That is why he has made the comment that we, in the Government, 1447 23 AUGUST 1966 1448 have always raised the bogey of com munism, in order to use money for internal security or defence.
Mr Spea ker, Sir, he should have known that not so long ago eight of our Malysian policemen were killed, together with two Thai policemen, just across the border at Betong by the communists.

Sir, there are five hundred hard-core communists north of our border, ready and waiting for the time when the Honourable Member for Batu's party will give the opportunity to the com munists not only to subvert this nation but also to try to take over this nation by armed force.
Sir, I have nothing much more to say, except, I hope that in order to castigate the Government on various things, and the Treasury in particular, the Opposition would produce facts and figures before doing so.

Thank you.
Thank you.

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Untok penjelasan, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, di-dalam uchapan Menteri, mengatakan bahawa masaalah subver sion dan masaalah communism, terro rism daripada communist itu menjadi satu masaalah lagi, tetapi mengapa di- dalam meminta tambahan ini tidak ada langsong bagi Ministry of Defence neither in supply nor in development.

Mengapa tidak di-terangkan tadi.


Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I am not the Minister of Defence, so I am not in a position to reply to the Honourable Member.

Should he want an answer, I suggest he raise it in the Supply Bill, when we will have another debate again and he has the oppor tunity to raise the question.

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Yang Berhormat Menteri itu tadi menggu- long, jadi erti-nya dia represent the Government as a whole.

Macham mana boleh bagitu?


Mr Speaker: Sudah-lah, dia sudah kata dia tidak tahu.

Resolved, That pursuant to Standing Order 67c, the to a Com following Motion be referred mittee of the whole House: That this House resolves that an addi tional sum not exceeding $40,303,677 be expended out of the Development Fund in respect of the financial year 1966, and that to meet the purpose of the Heads and Sub-heads set out in the first and second columns of the Statement laid on the Table as Command Paper No.
24 of 1966, there be appropriated the sums speci fied opposite such Heads and Sub-heads in the eight and ninth columns thereof.

House itself into a Committee of the whole House.

immediately resolved The Development (Supplementary) (No.

1) Estimates, 1966, considered in Committee.

(Mr Speaker in the Chair) Heads 103 and 105— Mr Chairman: I now propose that the expenditure shown under Heads the Development 103 and 105 of (No.

1) Estimates, (Supplementary) 1965 be approved.


The Assistant Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports (Engku Muhsein bin Abdul Kadir): Tuan Pengerusi, saya mengemukakan Head 103—Radio, Penang, sa-banyak $533.00 dan Head 105—Information, Film Unit Studios, Kuala Lumpur, sa-banyak $648,859 berjumlah $649,392 menjadi sa-baha- gian daripada Jadual ini.

Perbelanjaan2 ini ia-lah untok menyempurnakan kerja2 yang telah di-anggarkan bagi tahun ini.
Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Pengerusi, di-bawah Head 103 ia-itu Butiran 18—Studios and Equip ment sa-banyak $533.00 Apa-kah benda yang $533.00 ini?

Biasa-nya kalau hendak memberi elok yang betul2, Tuan Pengerusi, $533.00 ini benda burok pun tidak boleh dapat.

Jadi saya hendak tahu apa dia yang di-buat-nya dengan $533.00 itu Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Dia tidak tahu langsong!

Tidak apa- lah (Ketawa).

Question put, and agreed to.


Engku Muhsein: Oleh sebab Kera- jaan Perikatan ini satu Kerajaan yang berjimat chermat, oleh sebab itu-lah kita sa-berapa daya menjimatkan per belanjaan2 kita.

$533.00 ini ia-lah baki 1449 23 AUGUST 1966 1450 anggaran daripada sa- banyak $893,117.00 ia-itu untok mem- lain2 kerja lantai2 dan baiki kechil di-Penang.
sa-benar juga Tuan Hussein bin To' Muda Hassan (Raub): Tuan Pengerusi, saya memberi kepujian kapada Menteri Penerangan ini kerana membaiki dan Penyiaran station Radio di-Pulau Pinang itu.

Tetapi saya hairan mengapa Kemen- terian ini tidak mengambil berat mem baiki Station Radio Kuala Lumpur ini.

Sebab-nya di-daerah Pahang Barat lebeh terang mendengar siaran radio di-negeri jiran kita yang berhampiran daripada di-Kuala siaran Radio ini.
Saya harap di-ambil Lumpur saya perhatian, terang siaran mendapat siaran Radio daripada Radio Kuala Lumpur dari tempat saya.

Saya harap Kementerian ini sila siasat perkara ini dan pada masa ka- hadapan kita minta-lah duit tambahan lagi untok membaiki siaran Radio yang lebeh kuat daripada siaran Radio negeri keliling kita ini.

sebab tahu di-Jakarta apa, yang lebeh Engku Muhsein: Tuan Pengerusi, perhatian Yang Berhormat itu akan saya kemukakan kapada Menteri yang berkenaan.

Question put and agreed to.


The sums of $533 for Head 103 and $648,859 for Head S. 105 agreed to stand part of the Development (Supple mentary) (No.

1) Estimates, 1966.

Heads 106 and 107— Mr Chairman: I now propose that the expenditure shown under Heads 106 and 107 be approved.

Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Chair man, Sir, with your permission, I would like to take Heads 106 and 107 under my Ministry and move that the sums appearing in the respective sub heads be approved.
Head 106, Sub-head 2, Grants for Projects in Town Areas— A provision of $1,120,150 is entered to existing provisions.
Honourable Members will recall that on various occasions, when I moved supplement the Development expenditure for my Ministry under this item, I explained that the purpose for this money is to provide for financial assistance to local authorities to undertake minor capital works the areas—these projects usually take the form of community centres, street lights, drains, culverts, bridges, minor road works, and the like.
in Head 106, Sub-head 3, Kota Bharu to of the Ministry entered Market (Phase HI)— Originally, the provision of $450,000 as direct grant to the Kelantan Government for the First Phase development the Kota this year, Bharu Market.

In March provision of a loan of $220,150 was en tered and approved by this House for the Second Phase.

Owing an underestimation, this amount has been found to be inadequate and the State Government requested a further loan of $79,850.
This is now being granted as the Third Phase payment to enable the State Government to pay archi tectural fees, structural engineers' fees, supervisors' fees and for electrical installations, roof surfaces and other contingencies.

The money is being pro vided by way of virement from Sub head 2.

The loan bears an interest of 5f- per cent per annum and is repay able in 25 years.

The Market was officially completed in March this year and provides a much needed amenity in Kota Bharu.
Head 107—Housing Sub-head 5.

Loan to Government Officers' Co-operative Housing Society, Limited.

A loan of $10 million was approved to the Government Officers' Co-opera tive Housing Society Limited in 1965.

The loan was to assist the Society in the development and construction of houses for Government officers, who are members of the Society.

Only $8,900,000 was withdrawn during the year.


The provision of $1,100,000 re presents the balance of the loan, which has been advanced from the Contin gencies Reserve.

Sub-head 4.

Acquisition of Land for Housing Scheme—The purpose of 1451 23 AUGUST 1966 1452 this sub-head is to make provisions for the acquisition of land for housing projects.
State land is very much in short supply and, if the Government is to carry out its intended programme of low cost housing, suitable land must now be acquired for the purpose.

Cer tain for lands have been gazetted acquisition and, since it is not possible to estimate at this stage what the land acquisition cost will be, a token provi sion of $10 is being entered.

Sir, I beg to move.
Sir, I beg to move.

for Project Tuan Haji Rahmat bin Haji Daud (Johor Bahru Barat): Yang Berhormat Dato' Pengerusi, saya suka berchakap sadikit berkenaan dengan Sub-head 2 ia-itu Grants in Town Areas.

Di-Johor Bahru, Bas Stand di-sana besar lebeh kurang tanah-nya dua ekar di-sana dan perniaga2 di- Bas Stand itu terlampau banyak.
Saya suka perkara ini dalam Majlis Meshuarat Pem- bangunan Negara di-Johor Bahru sa- supaya keliling Bas Stand itu dengan keadaan tengah2 terbuka untok bas2 berhenti di-situ memungut dan mengambil passenger2.

Dan tingkat di-atas dan di- bawah boleh di-gunakan untok per niaga2.

juga mengemukakan tingkat di-buat rumah jelata bagaimana Ini memberi keuntongan kapada ra'ayat ranchangan Kerajaan meminta supaya terutama sa- kali orang Melayu berniaga mendapat tempat di-situ.
Sebab tanah di-Johor Bahru boleh di-katakan tidak ada untok mendirikan rumah2 maka Bas Stand di-situ satu tempat yang ramai orang datang ka-situ untok membeli be] ah.

Kalau-lah pehak Kerajaan memberi grant kapada pehak Kerajaan Johor dapat-lah di-bena di-sekeliling Bas Stand itu rumah bertingkat bagai mana di-buat di-Segamat.

Sebab ini akan memberi keuntongan bukan sa- haja kapada ra'ayat jelata bahkan juga kapada Kerajaan.
Yang kedua, saya suka berchakap sadikit berkenaan dengan Head 107, ia-itu Sub-head 1 berkenaan Rumah Murah.

Di-Johor Bahru boleh di-kata kan orang2 yang berpendapatan rendah lagi yang belum mendapat banyak umor saperti pekerja hendak bersara rumah murah terutama sa-kali kaki tangan Kerajaan yang bekerja dengan Kerajaan Federal.

Saya sudah juga berchakap dalam Meshuarat Budget ini lalu meminta Kementerian yang rumah2 murah untok membena pekerja2 daripada lain2.
Pegawai Kastam, Polis dan ini kebanyakan sudah sam- Mereka pai tetapi tidak ada.

Mereka tempat tinggal saya minta selalu datang berjumpa supaya perkara ini di-bawa kapada pehak yang berkenaan.

Kalau kita tengok keadaan mereka itu bila sarn- pai umor-nya, saya takut apabila me reka itu bersara esok tidak ada tempat untok tinggal.

Maka penghabisan-nya ia-lah dudok di-Johor Bahru dengan tidak mempunyai rumah, dan rumah2 sewa sana sangat mahal.
Dan ada juga yang sudah bersara dengan mendapat penchen yang kechil tidak ada rumah terpaksa menyewa rumah.

Oleh itu dapat-lah Kerajaan kita menimbang- kan terutama sa-kali pegawai yang be kerja dengan Kerajaan Pusat.
Juga di-kawasan Pandan ia-itu ka- wasan Johor Bahru Barat, pendudok2 di-Pandan ada berjumpa dengan saya terutama sa-kali ketua2 di-sana supaya dapat Kerajaan membuatkan rumah murah, ia-itu pendudok di-situ banyak daripada orang2 China, lebeh kurang 70 kelamin dan tanah Kerajaan Negeri pun ada juga lebeh kurang 10 ekar.

Kalau di-buat rumah berderet atau Terrace House dengan harga murah, mereka itu minta-lah supaya dapat me reka itu membeli rumah sa-chara ber- ansor yang murah di-situ.

Demikian.
Demikian.

Terima kaseh.

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Pengerusi, di-bawah Kepala 107, Sub-head 4, Acquisition of Land for Housing Scheme, di-sini kita ada token vote sa-banyak $10.

Saya harap pehak Kementerian ini dapat berusaha supaya mendapatkan sa-bidang tanah untok di-buat bangunan bagi tempat tompangan Ahli2 Parlimen supaya mereka itu terselamat daripada per kara2 yang tidak baik.

Pada pagi ini saya nampak sa-orang Ahli Parlimen telah kena serang dan terok juga dia kena.
Saya rasa kalau Kerajaan dapat 1453 23 AUGUST 1966 1454 tanah ini Kementerian yang berkenaan atau Jabatan Perdana Menteri dapat mengadakan rumah itu dan dapat-lah member of Parliament dudok di-situ dengan selamat.

Perkara ini bukan gan- jil, kerana negeri lain pun ada mem- buat bagitu.

Lain-lah kalau sa-kira- nya Menteri sebab dia ada bodyguard.

Ada pun Member biasa nasib-nya tidak-lah terjamin.

Itu-lah yang say a harap.


said Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Chairman, Sir, I would like to reply to the point raised by the Honourable Member for Johor Bahru Barat.

Firstly, in connec the minor tion with the grants for works in Johore Bahru pertaining to the Bus Station and Hawker Stand, this is the first time that I have heard about th:s proposal.
If the Honourable Member will put up the proposal to my Ministry through either the local authority the State concerned, or Government, it will receive the consi deration of my Ministry.

Secondly, pertaining to low-cost houses in Johore Bahru for Customs Officers and Police Officers, etc., in regard to which the Honourable Member that he considered the pace of low-cost house building has been too slow, I cannot agree more with the Honourable Member.
I have repeatedly expressed my concern with the pace of the low- cost housing which is being proceeded repeatedly at explained in this House that housing under the Constitution at present is a State matter, and despite the grant of funds the State the Ministry Government has found it impossible to carry out a lot of projects which have been approved, and it is because of this that this matter is being looked into very thoroughly by my Ministry to find out what other ways there are to expedite all these low-cost housing schemes.
I would suggest, Sir, that the Honourable Member also take this up with the State Government, and I can assure the Honourable Member that all housing proposals are considered very favourably by my Ministry whose one and only concern is to build as many low-cost houses as possible throughout Malaysia.

the moment.

I have from Next, I come to the Honourable Member for Bachok who first touched on the acquisition of land for M.Ps.
I am not quite sure what he meant, but I think he, perhaps, meant that we should build some houses for M.Ps.

in Kuala Lumpur.

(To Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah): Is that what you want?

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: tum- tempat Tanah untok bangunan pangan—sewa, but not for M.Ps.

I understand Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Well, I think the Honourable Member is very opti mistic that all Honourable Members will be returned at the next election.

{Laughter).
{Laughter).

At any rate, I think, it is a good suggestion, provided we get this through our Minister for Finance.

I think there is some merit in this proposal, because in Japan, Members of Parliament are in provided with Tokyo also, during according to my Honourable colleague here, in Delhi.

This is a good point, and we may possibly devise a block of low-cost housing, apartments, which the Honourable may accommodate this Members during Honourable House.
is a good suggestion which I will certainly look into later.

accommodation session sessions of and It Question put, and agreed to.

The sums of $1,200,000 for Head 106 and $1,100,010 for Head 107 agreed to stand part of the Develop- men (No.

1) Esti mates, 1966.

(Supplementary) Heads 114 and 115— Tun Dr Ismail: With your permis sion, Sir, I would like to take Head 114, Prisons and Head 115, Royal Malaysia Police, in one rising as both are in respect of Departments under my portfolio.
Sir, under Head 114—Prisons, Sub head 44, Sixth Mile Camp, a sum of $278,070 is sought.

The revised esti mated cost of this project is $6,178,070.

As the cost was originally estimated to be $5.9 million, a sum of $278,070 is 1455 23 AUGUST 1966 1456 now sought to complete the project.

The full amount had been advanced from the Contingency Reserve.

I now turn to Head 115, Royal Malaysia Police, for which a total supplementary provision of $13,168,760 is sought.
Under Sub-head 8, Police Field Force Buildings and Quarters, Malaysia, a sum of $7.5 million is sought.

This is for the scheme at Tan- jong Rambutan which was started in 1965 and is due for completion in early 1968.

Work is progressing ahead of schedule, so much so that the original provision of $6 million entered for 1966 was found to be inadequate.

In all, $13,500,000 will be required in 1966 to meet contractual commitments.
Of the supplement of $7,500,000 required, $2 million was advanced the Contingencies Reserve.

from Under Sub-head 9, Federal Reserve Unit Buildings and Quarters, Malaya, a sum of $3 million is required.

With the separation of Singapore, it was some 700 to withdraw necessary Malaysian Federal Reserve Unit per sonnel from Singapore at rather short notice.
The original plan to provide permanent Federal Reserve Unit bases in Penang, Ipoh and Johore Bahru had to to be speeded up in order accommodate personnel with drawn from Singapore.

These personnel are now rented accommodation which is most unsatis factory.

The provision entered for 1966 is $1,200,000 which is inadequate.

An additional $3 million is required this contractual to meet commitments.
in privately living year the Sub-head 45 relates to Police Head quarters, Kuching, for which a token vote of $10 is required.

This scheme is to provide a new Police Headquarters at Kuching.

Work will be completed in 1966.

Although $29,529 was required in 1966 to meet final payments, no provision was entered in 1966.

A token vote of $10 only is required, since a sum of $29,519 was provided by virement from Sub-head 21 to meet the payments.
Under Sub-head 62, Police Radio Communications, a sum of $2,668,750 to network is sought.

The current development plan provides for (1) Malaysia Head quarters link Kuala Lumpur with Kuching and Jesselton,.

and Kuching and Jesselton with each other.

The Kuala Lumpur installation is completed.

In Jesselton and Ku ching, site, buildings, and power supply were completed in 1965.

Installation of the radio sets and the erection of masts remain to be carried.
(2) A scheme for an internal high frequency equipment network required has been delivered, and installation is expected to commence later for internal very high frequency network Fifth in and the First, Second Divisions of Sarawak—work the First Division is completed; equipment on order for the Second and Fifth Divisions is expected in September for installation the end of 1966. to be completed by (3) A scheme in Sabah—all this year.
in Most of the equipment ordered in 1965 for Sabah was delivered only in 1966, due to shipping difficulties and this had to be paid for this year.

The current year's provision of $1 million is contractual commitments and a supplement of $2,668,750 is required.

insufficient to meet Question put, and agreed to.

The sums of $278,070 for Head 114 and $13,168,760 for Head 115 agreed the Development to stand part of (Supplementary) (No.

1) Estimates, 1966.
1) Estimates, 1966.

Head 118— Mr Chairman: I propose—that the the expenditure under Head 118 of Estimates be approved.

Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Chairman, Sir, the Treasury is concerned with only one Head of Expenditure, namely Head 118, Treasury, Sub-head 1, Electronic Computer Inland Revenue Department.

for Honourable Members will recall that a sum of $1,030,000 was approved in 1964 for the purchase and installa tion of an electronic computer for the Inland Revenue Department.
To cover 1457 23 AUGUST 1966 1458 the initial expenses, a sum of $50,000 was estimated for 1964 and the balance of $980,000 was provided for in 1965.

However, these sums were not spent, because detailed investigation had to be carried out before the equipment could be purchased.

The equipment has now been ordered and will be delivered in November this year.

A total sum of $1,085,040 is required and provision is sought under Head 118, Treasury, under the Development (Supplementary) (No.
1) Estimates, 1966.

Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $1,085,040 for Head 118 agreed to stand part of the Develop ment (Supplementary) (No.

1) Esti mates, 1966.

Head 120— Mr Chairman: I propose that the expenditure shown under Head 120 of the Estimates be approved.
Dr Lim Swee Aun: Mr Chairman, Sir, Head 120, Sub-head 8, Mills, Godowns and Equipment for Govern ment Reserve Stock of Rice—$1.3 this amount is required for million: the construction of godowns and quarters at Bagan Serai and Parit Buntar and the purchase of milling machinery.

The work on these projects the Public is being carried out by Works Department, and it is hoped that it will be completed by the end of the year.
Sub-head 13: Port Dickson Thermal Power Station—$10 million, Sub-head 15: Johore Bahru Thermal Power Station, 1st Extension—$4.5 million, Sub-head 20: Transmission Line Associated with Port Dickson and Johore Bahru Power Stations—$5.5 million, Sub-head 2 1: Distribution Projects—$5 million: just mentioned Mr Chairman, Sir, all the Sub-heads total $25 I have million which sum is required for the re-phasing of local expenditures neces sitated by the advance in commission ing dates of the Port Dickson and Johore Bahru Power Stations together their Associated Transmission with in commissioning dates Lines and Distribution Projects.
The is advance necessitated by the increasing demand for power on the National Electricity Board's Central and Johore Bahru areas.
Sub-head 22: Malayawata Steel Limited—$3.45 million: Sir, in Octo ber, 1962, Malayawata Steel Limited was granted pioneer status to produce the following products at its factory in Prai, Province Wellesley: steel (1) sponge iron, pig-iron, ingots, billets and bars; (2) pre-fabricated steel angles; (3) rolled section of steel—channels, beams, bulb plates, flanges and light gauge rails; (4) steel plates; die plates and cast iron pipes; (5) wire rods.
for the pioneer certificate Now, one of the conditions stipulated in this Company is that 51 per cent of the total share capital of the Company should be held by Malaysians, includ ing a reservation for Malay partici pation.

The Company's construction programme for the mill in the first phase is well under way and will be completed by June, 1967, with an annual expected output of about 45,500 tons of steel products and providing for about 500 people.
employment The second phase is due for comple tion in June 1969, and it is expected that reach its annual output will 110,000 tons of steel products.

It will then provide employment for about 700 people.

it difficult in found the condition With the separation of Singapore, the Company to the comply with pioneer status certificate regarding 51 per cent of the shares to be held by Malaysians.
This situation presented the Government with an opportunity to take over the shares amounting to $3.45 million previously held by non- Malaysians.

Government considers that it is desirable for Government to be directly associated with this project, in view of the fact that the iron and steel project is a basic industry and of 1459 23 AUGUST 1966 1460 it to the importance national vital industrialisation economy and future of the country.
In many countries, steel mills are owned and run by the State itself.

Furthermore, is con sidered that Government participation at this early stage would ensure that Malayawata Steel projects would be established and run in a manner that would serve the best interests of the country.
The Government is now in the the process of negotiating with Company with a view to buying the shares and having representation on the Company s Board of Directors in order to have an active say in the policy and management of the projects.

the The other parties project they welcome Government's participation.

indicated involved have that in Sir, I beg to move.
to what percentage Dr Lim Chong Em Mr Chairman, Sir, can the Honourable Minister of Commerce and Industry indicate to this House, firstly, what percentage of the holdings the Government will now pos sess of this Malayawata Steel Limited this payment of $3,450,000; after secondly, of the Steel Mill, does the Government intend to participate, as he has indi cated; and for how much more shares is In the Government negotiating.
replying, Sir, will the Honourable Minister of Commerce and Industry kindly indicate whether Government's is a step industry participation towards it since nationalisation, passed the 51% basis, or whether the this Government's participation for industry particular privileged nursing?

is a matter in in industries info other a departure from the Government's previous policy.
Will the Government also enter in conjunction with private enterprise because, I believe, Government's parti cipation can be of use in the private sector as well.

The Government, as an tried out entrepreneur, has been in many countries, where the Govern ment has stepped in the early stages, and when industry has been stabilised and is on sound footing, the Government has in many cases given back their holdings to private enter prise and the capital to establish more industries.
thereby rolling round the Wan Abdul Kadir bin Ismail (Kuala Trengganu Utara): Tuan Pengerusi, saya juga suka mengalu2kan langkah pehak Kerajaan menyertai' perusahaan ternyata dalam permintaan sa-bagai peruntokan $3.45 million Malaya wata ini.

Saya rasa langkah ini ada- lah yang sangat baik kerana ini men- yatakan bagaimana berat-nya per- hatian Kerajaan kapada perusahaan2 yang berat yang memang mustahak kapada negara kita.
Saya suka men- yatakan bahawa ini, kalau saya tin- sasuai dengan jau agak di- telah suatu putuskan baharu2 ini dalam Meshuarat Agong UMNO Malaysia yang me- minta pehak Kerajaan menyertai pe rusahaan2 penting dan sa-bagai-nya.

Oleh itu saya suka mendapat jaminan daripada Menteri yang berkenaan jika sa-kira-nya ada lagi perusahaan2 yang penting maka ada-kah pehak Kerajaan berchadang hendak menyertai'-nya sa- ran- bagaimana ini.
changan Besi Waja Malayawata di-jalankan keputusan sa-kejap, yang yang Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Chairman, Sir, following on what the Honourable Member for Tanjong has stated, he has anticipated what I am going to say.

He has gone so far as to say that this participation in Malayawata Steel Limited is a step towards nationalisa tion, but I would not go so far as to say "nationalisation"—as I know it is a very dirty word with the Minis terial benches.
I only wish to know whether this Government's participa tion in what was essentially previously a private industry—I believe it is—is just now, when Dr Lim Swee Aun: Mr Chairman, Sir, as I said the issued, we pioneer certificate was insisted that 51% of the total capital should be Malaysian capital of which a portion will be reserved for Malays.
Now, as a result of the separation of Singapore, some of the shares which were held by the then Malaysians, and to now non-Malaysians, amounted $3.45 million which is equivalent to 9% of the total capital.

The Govern ment is negotiating to buy this 9% of the shares to the tune of $3.45 million.

1461 23 AUGUST 1966 1462 It is not the intention of the Govern ment to nationalise any industry in Malaysia.
It is Government's policy industrialisation as far as to allow possible to be left entirely in the hands of private enterprise.

It is only when there are special circumstances, where private enterprise may not want to go in, or where it is of importance to the national interest, that the Govern ment would consider it.

In this parti cular case, there is a case of national interest being involved, as steel industry is a basic industry.
Later on, when more capital is required, the company will throw some of its shares to the public for public subscription, and still retain this fraction of 51% Malaysian and 49% foreign, and in this foreign sector of 49% will be an element held by the World Bank.

The Honourable Member for Kuala Trengganu Utara wanted to know whether Government would take part or take shares in other factories, if they are of importance to the country.

This will depend upon each individual case.


if I did hear Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Chairman, Sir, the Honourable Minister correctly earlier, he did say that the Government is further nego tiating to buy some more shares?

Dr Lim Swee Aun: No, Sir.

The Government has not bought any shares yet.

It has come to the House now to get approval for $3.5 million to buy the shares, which will be equivalent to 9%.

We still have not bought any shares.

Question put, and agreed to.


The sum of $39,450,010 for Head 120 agreed to stand part of the Deve 1) (Supplementary) lopment Estimates, 1966.

(No.

Beads 126, 129 and 130— Mr Chairman: I now propose that the expenditure shown under Head 126 be approved.
The Minister of Lands and Mines (Tuan Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub): Tuan Pengerusi, dengan keizinan Tuan Pengerusi, saya mengemukakan untok di-luluskan oleh Dewan ini Kepala 126, Pechahan-kepala 2—Land Rehabilita tion and Consolidation Authority, per untokan sa-banyak $80,000.

Kedua Kepala 126, Pechahan-kepala 4, bagi Oil Palm Land Development Project sa-banyak di-Trengganu, peruntokan $10 126, sahaja.
Ketiga, Kepala Pechahan-kepala 21—Supervision and Preliminary Works for Land Develop ment Schemes in Sarawak peruntokan sa-banyak $100,000.

Ke-empat, Kepala 129.

Pechahan-kepala 9, ya'ani kepala baru bagi membeli alat Co-ordinating Printing Equipment, peruntokan sa- banyak $10.

Kelima, Kepala 130, Pechahan-kepala of Government Services to Deep Jungle Areas, peruntokan sa-banyak $92,000.

1, Extension Tuan Pengerusi, sa-bagai penjelasan, saya suka menerangkan tujuan2 per untokan tambahan2 ini.
Peruntokan sa- banyak $80,000 untok Kepala 126, Pechahan-kepala 2 tadi, ada-lah di- pohon supaya wang sa-banyak $80,000 di-pindahkan daripada ruangan pin- jaman ya'ani Loan Column 9 kapada ruangan 8 sa-bagai Direct Expenditure.

Peruntokan ia-lah untok menjalankan pentadbiran dalam Pejabat Lembaga yang berkenaan ini.

ini di-kehendaki ini ia-lah $10 Maka tidak-lah dapat kita membuat peruntokan untok pentadbiran yang biasa dalam Pejabat sa-bagai pinjaman.
Bagi Pechahan-kepala 4—Oil Palm Land Development Project, Trengganu, peruntokan yang di-kehendaki bagi supplement sahaja.

Bagaimana pun Kerajaan Pusat telah mengambil keputusan ia-itu kita akan memberi pinjaman sa-banyak $3 juta kapada Kerajaan Negeri Trengganu, untok membantu Negeri itu menjalan kan project2 di-bawah State Economic Development Corporation.
State Eco ini nomic Development Corporation akan memajukan lebeh kurang 50 ribu ekar tanah bagi menanam kelapa sawit dan lain2 untok ra'ayat di-dalam negeri Trengganu itu.

Ranchangan itu telah di-pereksa dengan chara kasar-nya oleh pehak N.D.P.C, (National Develop ment Planning Committee) dan telah memberi recommendation atau sokong- an kapada permohonan daripada Kera jaan Negeri ini.
1463 23 AUGUST 1966 1464 Trengganu Pada pagi tadi Ahli Yang Berhormat telah daripada Kuala merayu supaya Kerajaan Pusat mem- beri bantuan yang lebeh banyak lagi daripada $3 juta ini.

Saya suka-lah menerangkan di-sini ia-itu pertolongan ini ia-lah bagi pertolongan yang per tama.

Jika sa-telah kita kaji dengan lebeh ranchangan ini kita beri bantuan yang lebeh, maka Kerajaan Pusat akan menimbangkan memberi bantuan yang lebeh daripada ini.
teliti lagi bahawa ini untok membetulkan Berhubong dengan Pechahan-kepala 21 pula, sa-benar-nya peruntokan ini satu ada-lah kesilapan yang telah berlaku apabila peruntokan di-bawah Development Estimates yang sa-benar-nya di-pohon- kan pada awal tahun tadi.
Sa- benar-nya di-dalam estimate yang sa- benar-nya patut kita telah mengada- kan wang sa-banyak peruntokan $299,000 bagaimana-kah dengan ada- nya kesilapan, kita telah mengurang- kan $100,000 dan sekarang di-dapati kesilapan2 itu telah berlaku, maka ini- lah tujuan-nya peruntokan ini untok membetulkan kesilapan yang telah berlaku di-dalam Kementerian.

Bagi Kepala 129, Pechahan-kepala 9, tidak-lah perlu bagi saya menjelas- kan lebeh panjang lagi.
Ini di-kehen- daki untok membeli perkakas yang di-kehendaki oleh Jabatan Sukat Tanah.

Bagi Kepala 130 pula peruntokan sa-banyak $92,000 di-kehendaki.

Tuan Pengerusi, ini untok menambahkan lagi perkhidmatan kita kapada kawasan2 pendalaman bagi menolong orang2 asli di-dalam negeri kita ini.

Pembe- naan Pejabat Pentadbiran yang kita buat di-bawah peruntokan ini sangat mustahak, kerana orang2 asli di-daerah Rompin berjumlah lebeh kurang 5,000 orang.
Dengan terbena-nya satu Pusat Pentadbiran Ranchangan Sosial dan Ekonomi untok orang2 asli kita, dapat- lah kita perhebatkan dan di-perkemas- kan. Tujuan ini akan terbantut, jika sa-suatu Pusat Pentadbiran yang sem- purna tidak ada di-situ.

Yang sa-benar-nya ranchangan ini patut siapkan di-dalam tahun 1965 tadi, tetapi oleh kerana beberapa perkara yang tidak dapat di- telah kita elakkan, maka telah tidak dapat kita laksanakan.
Kemudian di-bawah Ranchangan Malaysia Yang Pertama, kita berfikir agak-nya ranchangan ini dapat kita laksanakan dalam tahun 1967 mengikut priority list-nya, tetapi sa-telah men- dengar rayuan2 daripada pegawai yang bertanggong-jawab negeri yang berkenaan itu, maka di-fikirkan patut-lah ranchangan ini kita jalankan di-dalam tahun ini.

Oleh sebab itu-lah maka peruntokan ini di-pohonkan.

Demikian sahaja, Tuan Pengerusi.


di-dalam Tuan Hussein bin To' Muda Hassan: Tuan, Pengerusi, saya hendak meminta jasa baik Menteri yang bertanggong- jawab ini ka-atas Kepala 130—Exten sion of Government Services to Deep Jungle Areas.

Jadi, apa yang saya faham duit tambahan yang di-minta ini ia-lah untok hendak membaiki hal pentadbiran orang asli, dan juga hal perubatan orang2 asli.

Jadi, dalam kawasan saya ada satu fort, nama-nya Fort Betau.
Maka Fort Betau ini di- diami lebeh kurang dekat 2,000 orang asli dan kampong orang kita Melayu hanya 10 batu daripada itu dan lebeh kurang 3,000 orang Melayu.
Maka per khidmatan perubatan yang telah di- jalankan oleh Kementerian Kesihatan tidak berapa memuaskan hati orang Melayu di-situ, kerana bagi pegawai2 kesihatan tidak ada chukup wang per untokan untok pergi melawat, atau memberi ubat kapada kampong orang2 Melayu di-situ, tetapi bagi pehak orang asli pula ada chukup dengan helicopter- sa-orang doktor pergi nya dengan datang ka-situ.
Apabila ada kesakitan dan kechemasan mereka itu, orang sakit itu akan di-bawa dengan heli copter ini, maka bagi pehak orang Melayu yang berhampiran di-situ terpaksa di-bawa dengan perahu ka-Kuala Lipis mema- kan masa empat lima jam, kadang2 ada si-sakit mati di-tengah jalan.
Maka ini-lah saya harap kapada Kementerian ini, pada segi peri kemanusiaan, apa- kah salah-nya di-minta Perkhidmatan Perubatan Orang Asli ini pergi men- jelajah ka-kampong orang Melayu yang berhampiran beri-lah di-situ itu untok peluang kapada mereka terus ka-Kuala Lumpur dan 1465 23 AUGUST 1966 1466 meminta ubat kapada Pasokan Per- ubatan daripada Pejabat Orang Asli ini.

Jadi, pada masa sekarang nampak- nya jalan raya pun belum siap sampai ka-tempat yang saya katakan itu tadi.
Jadi, sa-belum jalan raya sampai di- situ, saya harap pejabat, atau pun Kementerian yang berkenaan ini, sila arahkan kapada pentadbir2 orang asli ini pergi ka-kampong orang Melayu itu memberi ubat apa yang patut di- beri.

Terima kaseh.

Tuan Ong Kee Hui: Mr Chairman, Sir, I would like to ask the Minister for Lands and Mines for more informa tion on Sub-head 21, Supervision and Preliminary Works for Land Develop ment Scheme, Sarawak.
I would like to know what are the particular schemes this extra expenditure in involved which is asked for.

Wan Abdul Kadir bin Ismail: Tuan Pengerusi, berchakap saya hendak sadikit dalam perkara "Head 126 ini dan tentang Lembaga Pemulehan Penyatuan Tanah yang di-minta di- tukarkan daripada peruntokan kapada direct expenditure sa-banyak $80,000.
Saya rasa langkah Kerajaan kita meng- adakan Lembaga ini, satu langkah yang sangat besar keperluan-nya memenohi sa-bahagian yang terpenting daripada Ranchangan Pembangunan bagi memu- tanah2 orang2 di-kampong, lehkan tetapi saya rasa sudah hampir dekat sa-tahun undang2 Land Rehabilitation and Consolidation Authority ini di- luluskan, tetapi sampai sekarang belum lagi nampak lanchar perjalanan-nya, barangkali sampai sekarang pun Pen- gerusi-nya belum lagi di-lantek dan kerja2 yang sa-benar-nya yang memang sangat besar dan sangat berat dan sangat lagi nampak berjalan.
rumit belum sa-banyak Yang kedua, Tuan Pengerusi, tentang Iktisad untok Lembaga pinjaman Negeri Trengganu.

Menteri Yang Ber- hormat tadi telah mengatakan bahawa pemberian tiga million ringgit yang di-untokkan itu ia-lah sa- bagai pinjaman permulaan yang akan di-timbangkan Jadi, bila di-tengok dari Estimate ini, tiga million ringgit ini bukan untok tahun ini atau tahun hadapan.

Ini merupakan peruntokan sa-lama lima tahun.

lagi kemudian.
lagi kemudian.

Jadi, di-kaji tentang sa-mula tiga million Ranchangan membuka kelapa sawit yang besar menghendaki modal barang kali tidak kurang daripada 20 atau 30 million ringgit atau 50 million ringgit,— Estimate yang kasar-nya, sekarang di- beri sa-banyak ringgit untok lima tahun, sa-takat mana-lah yang boleh di-buat oleh Kerajaan Negeri, dengan pinjaman yang sa-bagai ini.

Ini boleh, saya bukan hendak ini pinjaman melepaskan mengata, batok di-tangga.
saya meng- lagi sa-kali, supaya dapat- harapkan pin lah jaman ini.

Dan kalau sudah pehak Ekonomic Planning Unit puas hati ran atas segala segi perlaksanaan changan besar tentang pinjaman ini di-kaji sa-mula dan di- beri dengan sa-penoh-nya yang boleh, dengan sa-kadar yang boleh, memenohi kehendak menjalankan ranchangan yang besar ini.
Kerana, Negeri Treng ganu, kalau ran changan ini, tidak saya fikir dia boleh hidup dengan ma'amor pada masa lima tahun yang akan datang, dengan sebab kekurangan hasil-mahsul dengan sebab habis-nya bijeh besi yang ada di-Bukit Besi di-Dungun yang sa-lama ini meng- hasilkan sa-banyak 10 million ringgit, hari ini mendapat hasil dua atau dua million sa-tengah ringgit sahaja.

Terima kaseh.
Terima kaseh.

tidak di-jalankan ini, supaya di-jalankan Ra'ayat sedang menunggu hendak sa-takat mana-kah yang menengok boleh oleh Kerajaan dengan Lembaga Pemulehan Tanah ini, kerana kita nampak sekarang bahawa dengan banyak-nya tanah2 kechil yang tidak dapat hendak di-jalankan sendiri oleh orang2 kampong yang patut di- pandu dan di-tolong, dan perkara itu tidak boleh di-nantikan terlalu lama.
Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Pengerusi, saya menyokong apa yang di-uchapkan oleh Ahli Yang Ber- hormat daripada Kuala Trengganu Utara, ia-itu satu projek yang besar yang sudah pun di-puashatikan oleh Ekonomic Committee—Perbadanan yang menjaga Ekonomic Planning itu, ta' patut-lah kita memberi hutang atau pun pendahuluan yang sa-takat 1467 23 AUGUST 1966 1468 tiga million ringgit sahaja.
Ini ber- banding dengan Head 120, Pechahan- kepala 22—Malayawata Steel Limited, yang ini di-beri-nya direct expenditure sa-banyak $3,450,000.

Ini di-beri direct.

Yang di-sini di-beri sa-chara loan.

Jadi, kedua itu satu projek yang besar, yang saya rasa bijak-nya Ministry of Com merce daripada Ministry of Lands and Mines.

Jadi, satu perkara yang mendukachitakan kita sa-lama ini.

Sa-patut-nya projek yang kedua2-nya sa-macham loan-lah.
Kita minta-lah Menteri kita itu tolong usaha supaya benda ini di- jadikan direct expenditure.

ini menunjokkan patut ini Tuan Pengerusi, ada di-sebut di-sini, ia-itu Oil Palm Land Development Project Trengganu—itu di-Trengganu, Tuan Pengerusi, negeri yang di-peren- tah oleh Perikatan sendiri.

Di-negeri Kelantan, tempat yang ta' ada harapan- lah Perikatan hendak memerentah- nya tempat dua orang minta projek2 yang sa-macham ini.

Menteri kita ini langsong dia tidak pernah menjawab pun.
tiga ada itu itu dan Tuan Pengerusi, saya dapat menge- mukakan satu projek, oil palm—juga— di-dalam kawasan Bachok dan saya yakin dalam masa enam bulan, kalau hendak buat satu clearance saya dapat memberi permintaan saya hendak mendengar daripada Menteri kita ini, apa-kah Menteri kita dapat memberi kerjasama di-dalam ini, walau pun dengan sa-chara loan, tidak dengan sa-chara direct.

Saya tahu, sa-chara direct, dia tidak bagi.

Tuan Pengerusi, projek yang sa-macham ini sa-benar- dengan nya ra'ayat.
Ini-lah yang hendak menam- bahkan satu mata pencharian taraf hidup ra'ayat, lain-lah daripada Mala yawata Steel Limited ini.

Jadi perkara2 yang betul2 kena-mengena dengan nasib ra'ayat, nampak-nya Kerajaan kita ini tidak-lah dapat menunjokkan ini-lah yang kesunggohan-nya.

Jadi, ini dapat saya minta Menteri kita ta' memikirkan dengan senang dan payah-lah susah hati, Pilehan Raya tahun 1967 di-Sarawak itu, sebab ia sudah tetap menjadi Menteri di-sini.
kena-mengena ia-lah Yang kedua, Tuan Pengerusi, ber- kenaan dengan Head 126, Pechahan- ini—Lembaga kepala 2, saya pun hairan juga, ia-itu Lembaga ini—Penyatuan dan Pemule- han Tanah ini, apa kerja yang di-buat, sampai sekarang ta' pernah dapat report pun.

Jadi bagaimana-kah kita hendak mengada- kan ekonomic holding, na' pergi meng- ajar sedang ra'ayat—bagitu bagini, kerja2 yang di-atas, sa-chara theori pun ta' ada.
Ini, saya rasa ia-lah bersang- kutpaut dengan Menteri yang bertang- gong-jawab, kerana kalau-lah orang menjadi Menteri berkenaan dengan perkara2 yang ini dan bukan proper man dalam perkara ini, bagini-lah itu, rasa patut-lah Menteri kita saya dapat memberi publication supaya orang2 lain pun dapat membacha pengalaman dan dapat mengambil daripada lalu yang itu.

Mana tahu, pada tahun 1969 kami memerentah, kami boleh menggunakan buku2 experience yang telah di-jalankan oleh Kerajaan sekarang ini.

jadi-nya.
jadi-nya.

Sebab sa-macham experience Tuan Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: Tuan Pengerusi, Ahli Yang Berhormat, rakan saya daripada Bachok selalu dia bermimpi—mimpi hendak ganti peme- rentahan Perikatan di-Kerajaan Pusat, kemudian mimpi pula dengan ketaku- tan pada tahun 1969 Perikatan meme rentah di-Kelantan.

projek2 Mengenai' masaalah di- Kelantan, sama ada projek kelapa sawit atau pun projek yang lain, kata- tidak memberi kerjasama.

nya kita Sa-benar-nya bukan kita ta' mahu memberi Kerjasama.
Perbezaan-nya di- antara negeri Trengganu dan negeri itu di-perentah Kelantan—Trengganu oleh sa-orang Menteri Besar Perikatan yang mempunyai kechekapan, pengala man dan kebijaksanaan, di-Kelantan tidak, di-perentah oleh PAS, pentad- biran-nya tidak bagitu elok saperti di- Trengganu.

Maka dengan kebijak- saan Menteri Besar Perikatan itu tadi, dapat-lah dia bantuan wang sa-banyak tiga juta ringgit sa-bagai loan untok ranchangan2 memajukan tanah di- negeri-nya.
Kalau-lah Kerajaan negeri Kelantan mahu betul2 bekerjasama Pusat mengikut dengan Kerajaan dasar2 pembangunan tidak pemboros, maka kita akan menimbang- kan dengan sa-chara yang 'adil, apa tertentu, 1469 23 AUGUST 1966 1470 sahaja bantuan yang boleh kita beri.

Dan kita telah pun bertalu2 memberi statement saperti ini.

Mengenai Lembaga Penyatuan dan Pemulehan Tanah, kedua2 Ahli Yang Berhormat telah bertanya apa-kah yang ini.
telah berlaku kapada Lembaga Saya suka-lah menyatakan, memang benar bahawa Pengerusi Lembaga ini belum lagi di-lantek.

Sebab-nya ia-lah, daripada bulan satu tahun ini, kalau ta' salah saya, semenjak undang2 ini berjalan kuat-kuasa, kita telah berhu- bong dengan pehak Treasury dan F.E.O.

untok menetapkan tingkatan scale gaji bagi Chairman itu.

Kemen- fikiran, terian saya mempunyai satu Treasury pula fikiran yang lain, agak- nya F.E.O.

mempunyai fikiran yang lain.


Yang akhir sa-kali lebeh kurang dua minggu yang lalu, saya telah di- beri tahu oleh Setia-usaha saya, bahawa perkara ini maseh lagi di-dalam tang- gong-jawab pehak Perbendaharaan.

Sa- hingga perkara tidak-lah dapat saya menjalankan tugas2 saya di- bawah undang2 itu.
ini putus, Bagaimana pun kerja2 menetapkan mana satu pilot projek yang akan kita jalankan telah kita susun dan sa-baik2 sahaja Chairman dan Ahli bagi Lem baga ini kita lantek, kita akan men jalankan kerja itu dengan segera-nya.

Saya rasa di-dalam awal bulan Septem ber masaalah ini dapat-lah di-selesai- kan dengan pehak Perbendaharaan.
ini Mengenai masaalah Ranchangan di- Trengganu tadi, peruntokan sa- banyak $3 juta itu bukan-lah untok semua kawasan 50,000 ekar yang akan di-majukan oleh Kerajaan Negeri itu.

Peruntokan itu ada-lah untok peringkat pertama sa-luas lebeh kurang 3,000 ekar yang sedang di-laksanakan oleh Kerajaan Negeri menerusi state Econo mic Development Board pada masa ini.

Sunggoh pun pehak Economic telah mengkaji Ran Planning Unit changan sa-bahagian-nya oerlu pengkajian yang lebeh teliti, yang lebeh mendalam lagi.
Maka sekarang ini kita chuma menunggu expert dari pada negeri Belanda yang telah pun berjanji kapada kita untok menghantar expert2 untok mengkajikan lebeh dalam lagi dan membuat report2-nya kapada Kerajaan Negeri dan Kerajaan Pusat tetapi ini tadi.

mengenai scheme ini.

Itu-lah yang saya nampak Jika katakan scheme ini patut di-bantu di-masa akan datang kita akan timbangkan, bergan- tong kapada keadaan kewangan kita di-masa itu.
kita Masaalah Kepala 130—rayuan dari pada Yang Berhormat daripada Raub itu akan saya ambil ingatan, akan saya pereksa sa-belum persidangan Parli- men ini habis, saya sendiri akan mem beri tahu keputusan-nya kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat itu.

the schemes With regard to the question raised by the Honourable Member, Mr Ong Kee Hui, from Sarawak, in fact, I have already explained when I made state ments in this House during the debate on the original Estimates regarding the schemes that are affected by this Head.
One of is the Lambir Scheme, and there are schemes also in Second Division and in the First Divi sion.

This Ministry is responsible with respect to supervision and preliminary works for land development schemes in Sarawak.
So, if we have got ten land schemes in Sarawak in the next few years, we will be responsible as a director of expenditure the supervision and preliminary works, and I am sure the Honourable Member himself, being a Member of Council Negri in Sarawak knows what schemes there are in the State of Sarawak today.

for all Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Pengerusi, ia-itu Butiran 4 ini yang saya minta tadi, ia-itu column 9 itu di-ubahkan kapada column 8, ada- kah pehak Kementerian akan menim- bangkan hak itu.
loan bukan Tuan Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: Tuan Pengerusi, Kerajaan Negeri sendiri menghantar permohonan me- sa-bagai direct minta expenditure.

Direct expenditure me ngenai' pembangunan itu kita salorkan menerusi FLDA.

Jadi dengan sebab itu-lah kita tidak masokkan di- bawah column 8. tanah Question put, and agreed to.

The sums of $259,990 for Head 126, $10 for Head 129, and $92,000 for Head 130 agreed to stand part of the 1471 23 AUGUST 1966 1472 Development (Supplementary) (No.

1) Estimates, 1966.
1) Estimates, 1966.

Mr Chairman: The sitting is sus pended for 15 minutes.

Sitting suspended at 6.15 p.m.

Sitting resumed at 6.30 p.m. House itself into a Committee of the whole House.
immediately resolved (Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair) Head 134— sa-banyak Tuan Haji Mohamed Ghazali bin saya Haji Jawi: Tuan Pengerusi, pohonkan perbekalan di-bawah Ke pala 134, Pechahan-kepala 17, Ran- changan Parit (xiv) Permatang Berah, Penang $10; Pechahan- kepala 23, Kerja2 Kechil (viii) Kelantan sa-banyak $10; sa- banyak $10 dan Pechahan-kepala 113, Ranchangan Parit Kabong/Nyabor— Perengkat I sa-banyak $10 berjumlah $40 yang terkandong dalam Anggaran Tambahan Perbelanjaan Kemajuan itu di-luluskan, (ix) Trengganu untok ranchangan Ranchangan Permatang Berah telah siap dalam tahun 1965, Ranchangan tidak di-masokkan dalam Ang ini garan Perbelanjaan Kemajuan, 1966 tiada peruntokan yang di- kerana kehendaki itu dalam tahun 1966.
Bagaimana pun gaji buroh2 IMG telah di-pinda mulai berjalan kuat-kuasa dari lhb Januari, 1966 di-bawah Surat Pekeliling Per- khidmatan Bilangan 9/1966 dan Surat Pekeliling Perkhidmatan yang telah di-edarkan dalam tahun 1966 itu me- nyatakan bahawa gaji2 kebelakangan mengikut pindaan tersebut hendak-lah di-bayar kapada buroh2 itu walau pun lagi bekerja dengan mereka ada-lah itu Kerajaan.
Oleh perlu menwujudkan satu Pechahan- kepala baharu untok ranchangan ini dalam Anggaran Perbelanjaan Kema juan token vote sa-banyak $10 supaya wang untok membayar gaji kebelakangan itu da- pat di-peruntokkan dalam Pechahan- kepala baharu itu.

tahun 1966 dengan sebab tidak Pechahan-kepala 23, Kerja2 Kechil (viii) untok Kelantan dan (ix) untok kedua2 Trengganu sa-banyak $10 bagi tiap2 ran satu Pechahan-kepala changan ini tidak di-masokkan dalam Anggaran Perbelanjaan Kemajuan, 1966.
Ada-lah perlu menwujudkan kedua2 perkara itu di-bawah Pechahan- kepala 23 dalam Kepala 134 oleh sebab2 yang berikut: Banjir yang berlaku pada awal tahun 1966 telah merosakkan parit di-Kelantan dan di-Trengganu.

Wang ada-lah di-kehendaki untok membiayai kerja2 membaiki sistem parit di- kedua2 buah negeri itu.
Satu token vote sa-banyak $10 bagi tiap2 Pecha itu ada-lah di-kehendaki han-kepala supaya tersebut bagi perkara yang membolehkan wang2 itu di-peruntok kan. Pechahan-kepala 113—Ranchangan Kabong/Nyabor—Perengkat I, ada-lah di-persetujui ranchangan ini di-perlukan jumlah perbelanjaan dan di-tambah sa-banyak untok $200,000.

Oleh token vote sa-banyak $10 hendak-lah di-masokkan dalam Anggaran Perbelanjaan Kema juan, 1966 dan wang2 dapat di-bekal- kan untok kerja2 itu.
itu itu satu ranchangan Tuan Pengerusi, saya pohon perse- tujuan.

Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $40 for Head 134 agreed the Development (No.

1) Estimates, to stand part of (Supplementary) 1966.
Heads 137 and 143— Tan Sri V. T. Sam ban than: Mr Chairman, Sir, with your permission, I would like to take the following Heads together : Head 137—Roads and Bridge— (i) Sub-head 6, New Roads $ 300,000 (ii) Sub-head 8, Grants to State for Rural Roads ... Head 143—Telecommunications 3,000,000 436,335 Taking Head 137, Sub-head 6 in the First Malaysia Plan, a sum of $4 million was allowed for the construc tion of the Pekan Bridge.

Out of this a sum of $300,000 was allowed as expenditure for 1966.
However, it was 1473 23 AUGUST 1966 1474 to Bandar Rompin wrongly entered under direct expen diture.

As the portion of the road from Pekan is under State maintenance, it is only proper that the the State should construct bridge it should not be a Federal project.

To regularise the matter, a sum of $300,000 is now transferred from direct expenditure column 8 to the loan column.
in is $12.6 million and Touching on Sub-head 8, Grants to States for Rural Roads, the total sum the 1966 Development approved Estimates this has been distributed to all the States.

However, the provision for the States of Kedah, Perak, Pahang, Trengganu insufficient.

and Kelantan were found To ensure efficient execution of the various rural roads project in the 5 States in question, an additional sum of $3 million is required.
in With regard to Head 143 Tele communications, a sum of $436,335 is required for Malaysia's capital contri bution for her participation the communication commercial global in 1966. satellite system payable An as international body known the International Telecommunications Satellite Consortium was formed to establish space and maintain segment.

Any member of the Inter national Telecommunications Union may join the Consortium by signing an agreement and making a capital contribution.
As Malaysia is a member of the International Telecommunica tions Union and following a Cabinet the decision, Malaysia acceded Agreement on the 25th May, 1966, thus making us the 50th member of the International Telecommunications Satellite Consortium.

the to As Honourable Members are aware satellite communication is becoming an important means of communication over global distances.
For this reason, Malaysia must play its part in any proposals to set up a global satellite communication system, and joining the Consortium is the first step towards participation in satellite communication and is a long-term investment which promises to provide the needs of the future at reasonable costs.

The appro ved quota for Malaysia's capital contri bution is 0.25 per cent of the cost and this amounts to $1.5 million.

The full amount was advanced from the Con tingencies Fund.
Tuan Abdul Razak bin Haji Hussin (Lipis): Tuan Pengerusi, saya meng- ambil peluang pada petang ini hendak atas Kepala 137, New berchakap the Roads dan Grants to States for Rural Roads.

Tuan Pengerusi, saya menguchap- kan dukachita sebab ta' ada di-buat tambahan kapada jalan yang sudah ada, sebab bantuan di-sini, penamba- han kapada jalan baharu dan jalan luar bandar sahaja.

Saya terima kaseh kerana di-masokkan jalan yang sudah ada.
Saya kata bagini, Tuan Pengerusi, saya sudah appeal perkara ini kapada Parlimen yang dahulu berhubong de ngan jalan Raub-Bentong.

Nisbah himat saya ini, Tuan Pengerusi, jalan ini patut di-baiki, jalan ini menghu- bongkan negeri Selangor dengan negeri Pahang dan sa-bahagian Pantai Timor.

Kita selalu berchakap berkenaan dengan keselamatan sedangkan jalan itu tidak kita baiki, apa sebab tidak di-baiki, sebab per- jalan untokan ini tidak ada.
Jadi, apa-lah ini salah-nya kita bagi peruntokan, saya dukachita kerana tidak ada perunto lain kali kan ini.

Saya harap pada Menteri Yang Berhormat dapat men- chatitkan jalan Raub-Bentong ini.

jalan Bentong-Raub peruntokan tetapi raya, jalan bagi ini Kemudian saya masok kapada tu- juan satu lagi, saya nampak bantuan kapada jalan di-luar bandar juga ter- masok jalan baharu.

Saya sukachita hendak memberi pandangan kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri Kerja Raya ia-itu jalan Cameron Highland ka- Kuala Lipis.
Pada asas-nya jalan ini sudah ada, tetapi bantuan wang sudah terpotong oleh sebab kerana tidak ada wang.

Jadi, memandang pada jalan ini mustahak, terutama kapada pelanchong2 yang hendak pergi ka-Cameron High land kerana daripada Kuala Lipis ka-Cameron Highland itu lebeh kurang 60 batu sahaja.

Saya sedar jalan ini serta tidak dapat di-buat dengan 1475 23 AUGUST 1966 1476 merta tetapi apa-lah salah perunto- kan ini di-sambong daripada sa-masa ka-samasa.
itu Tuan Pengerusi, di-Cameron High ada mempunyai Hydro land kita jalan di- Electric, kalau sa-kira-nya Cameron Highland dapat siap kita buat kita boleh menyalorkan tenaga letrik itu ka-negeri Pahang, daripada sana boleh-lah kita buat bangunan dari segi industry, farm dan sa-bagai- nya.

Jadi, nampak-nya pada hari ini keadaan tidak dapat kita buat.

Jadi ini pun satu sebab ketinggalan negeri itu.


Saya sukachita menyatakan perkara ini sebab kita sudah pun ta- mat konfrontasi, kita mengaleh pan- dangan kita kapada pembangunan lagi, negeri Pahang maseh ada tempat, maseh ada tanah yang subor bagi membuat sa-barang perusahaan.

Jadi, dengan sebab kita membuat ini, kita boleh me nyalorkan tenaga letrik dan dapat-lah kita mengadakan perusahaan2.
tanah, maseh ada jalan Jadi sekarang ini saya berharap ka pada Menteri Yang Berhormat di- atas sambongan jalan ini hendak-lah di-usahakan—hendak di-katakan per- ini kerana tolongan kapada negeri jalan kampong pun boleh atau di- katakan new road pun boleh.

yang yang Jadi, kedua raya kurang, saya saya merayu kapada appeal—yang Yang Berhormat Menteri ini di- kawasan saya hendak saya chakap pun malu, Tuan Pengerusi, jadi saya datang di-sini terpaksa saya chakap.
tolong-lah bagi Jalan sambong bantuan itu sebab yang telah sudah2 jalan kadang2 tiga tidak dapat bantuan, saya terpotong tidak tetapi kalau sa-kira-nya Menteri Yang Berhormat sendiri arahan— ini—kapada pegawai2 rayuan jadi yang ada dalam negeri saya, boleh-lah di-beri peruntokan sam bongan.

boleh memberi saya tahu apa sebab, ini, dua Bila datang Yang Amat Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri ka-tempat saya, rayuan pun di-buat baharu-lah Jadi, nampak-nya dapat kapada Dewan ini, bila Yang Amat tambahan.
selalu datang ka-tempat Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri saya, ini Alhamdulillah dapat tambahan.

Jadi, bila Menteri nampak-nya datang baharu tambahan.

Saya pun ada berasa malu memperkatakan perkara ini, hanya yang saya harap masaalah jalan ini dapat bantuan daripada Yang Berhormat Menteri, beri-lah sadikit keistimewaan kapada Daerah Jerantut dan Lipis dalam masa grant ini di- luluskan nanti.

Terima kaseh banyak.


juga hingga sekarang Tuan Hussein bin To' Muda Hassan: Tuan Pengerusi, saya terlebeh dahulu menguchapkan terima kaseh kapada sahabat saya, Wakil daripada Lipis kerana telah merayu kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos dan Talikom berkenaan dengan jalan Raub-Bentong dan jalan ka- Cameron Highland kerana dua2 ka- wasan ini ia-lah kawasan pilehan raya saya.
Jadi kalau saya selalu berchakap, orang kata bohong, ada saksi, ada tukang sokong saya, jalan2 tadi mustahak di- yang di-katakan bena dengan serta merta.

Sekarang apa yang saya harap berkenaan dengan new roads atau pun Grants to States for Rural Roads ia-lah jalan daripada ka-Kuala Medang.

Raub Benaan jalan ini, sudah di-bagi kapada satu kontrek dan sudah sampai ka- batu 26 ia-itu dalam 10 batu atau pun 7 batu sahaja lagi menyampaikan ka- Kuala Medang.
Di-Kuala Medang ini pendudok2-nya banyak, kechil besar tua muda, ada 3 ribu orang lebeh termasok orang asli juga—maka masok orang asli dekat 6 ribu orang.

Jadi perhubongan orang2 yang dudok di-Ulu Jelai atau pun di-Kuala Medang ini yang termashhor-nya hanya-lah meng- jeram2 gunakan sungai menempoh yang merbahaya.

Di-mana masa dzarurat dahulu banyak Ahli2 Pasokan Keselamatan kita yang terkorban di- jeram2 yang di-tempohi itu.
Jikalau ta' ada jurumudi motorbot yang pandai atau yang mahir berkenaan dengan sungai itu selalu berlaku kemalangan.

saya merayu kapada Maka Menteri Kerja Raya, berkenaan dengan jalan daripada Raub sampai ka-Kuala Medang itu minta-lah segera di-buat atau pun beri-lah tambahan duit untok juga.

di-sudahkan pada ini-lah tahun ini 1477 23 AUGUST 1966 1478 Berjangkit saya kapada Kepala Internatio 143—Telecommunications, nal Satellite Communications.
Dengan rengkas-nya saya menyatakan Yang Berhormat Menteri Kerja Raya telah menyebutkan dalam 2—3 minggu yang sudah mengatakan per hubongan talipon dalam negeri kita ini ia-lah satu perhubongan yang baik sa- kali di-Tenggara Asia.
tempoh jam atau lebeh dan Pendapat saya ia-lah baik untok perhubongan orang di-bandar2 besar sahaja, tetapi di-kampong yang kechil2 yang memakai talipon booth talipon boxes dan juga bandar2 yang kechil saumpama di-Raub, hendak men- dapatkan perhubongan talipon ka- Kuala Lumpur ini terpaksa menunggu sa-tengah juga daripada Jerantut.

Apabila di-tanya pada operator—line break down, tanya sa-kali lagi—wayar di-churi orang.
Jadi kalau kita hendak berchakap daripada talipon boxes yang ada di- kampong2 memang ta' dapat, kalau tidak tunggu sa-kurang2 dua jam.

Jadi perkataan—hold on, hold on, line down.

Jadi ini saya harap-lah kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri menyiasat perkara perhubongan talipon daripada Ulu Pahang hingga sampai ka-Kuala Lumpur ini.

Saya sa-bagai M.P.
Saya sa-bagai M.P.

selalu dapat priority tetapi terpaksa talipon operator itu menghubongkan kapada talipon operator Bentong, menghu bongkan kapada talipon operator Men- takab, menghubongkan kapada talipon operator Seremban baharu dapat ka- Kuala Lumpur.

Kadang2 menunggu- lah sampai 4—15 minit tetapi selalu- lah minta dapat priority bila M.P.
hendak berchakap kerana ada hal mustahak dengan Menteri2 di-Kuala Lumpur—tetapi ter paksa berhubong dengan Bentong, Mentakab, Seremban baharu dapat juga per Kuala Lumpur.

Bagitu tengah2 ber hubongan ka-Kuantan, chakap—pop putus!

Panggil sa-kali lagi.

Jadi ta' menyokong-lah Menteri itu mengatakan perhubongan talipon dalam negara kita ini yang ter- baik sa-kali di-Tenggara Asia.
Tetapi harus baik sa-kali untok kapitalis2 di- bandar2 besar kerana perhubongan perniagaan, tetapi untok kepentingan ra'ayat jelata di-kampong2 yang kechil2 hendak chakap saya atau bandar2 yang kechil, tidak lagi memuaskan.

Terima kaseh.

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Pengerusi, di-bawah Kepala 137, ini ia-itu Pechahan-kepala 6, New Roads.
Saya harap di-dalam per- untokan yang di-minta ini termasok- lah usaha2 hendak menyudahkan jalan yang menghubongkan Pantai Timor dengan Pantai Barat ia-itu daripada Kuala Krai pergi ka-Pinang.
Tuan Pengerusi, saya meminta ia-lah bukan kerana ada kena mengena dengan negeri Kelantan sa-mata2 tetapi itu dari segi jalan yang sa-macham ekonomi dan productivity itu, tetapi menjadi satu perantaraan yang boleh barang2, memindahkan membawa barang2 daripada satu tempat ka-satu tempat dan itu saya minta-lah perhatian Kerajaan.

itu jalan tetapi ini sudah Yang kedua, dalam Pechahan-kepala ia-itu Pemberian kapada Negeri2 8 untok Jalan2 Raya Luar Bandar.
Tuan Pengerusi, di-kawasan saya di-Bachok, ada satu jalan yang telah di-buat oleh Kerajaan Federal itu jalan barangkali termasok dalam State itu rural sudah masok 4 sebab dia tahun, sekarang tertinggal bagitu sahaja.

Jadi ini chukup tidak elok orang memandang-nya—macham2 orang mentafsirkan, ada orang kata kerana Perikatan kalah di-situ dia ta' mahu buat kalau langsong.
hendak tunggu Perikatan memang, Tuan jamin Pengerusi, Bachok saya sa-lagi kapada Kerajaan Perikatan, ada akan ta' election, Perikatan menang di-Bachok itu.

Jadi jalan ini, Tuan Pengerusi, yang saya hendak minta ini bukan-lah sa-mata2 kerana ada sahabat2 saya meminta supaya kawasan itu di-buat jalan, tetapi ini betul2 menjadi perantaraan pada segi ekonomi-nya chukup productive.
Jadi itu Kalau Menteri kita hendak tengok boleh-lah datang ka-Bachok dan saya bawa tunjok apa-kah jalan ini betul2 merupakan productive project bukan- lah untok kawasan saya sa-mata2—tidak!
Sebab jalan ini betul2 jalan productive dan lagi pula saya tidak tahu dengan sa- tetapi yang menjadi satu penoh-nya saya minta sa-mata2 1479 23 AUGUST 1966 1480 problem ia-itu satu masaalah—Kera- jaan Negeri sudah memberi tanah dan bekerjasama dengan Kerajaan Pusat dan Kerajaan Pusat membuat jalan, tiba2 terbengkalai—Kerajaan Negeri hendak menyambongkan pun, saya rasa, bukan hak-nya yang sa-penoh tidak dan Kerajaan peduli bukan hendak menambahkan girang-nya hati ra'ayat tetapi merosotkan perasaan hati ra'ayat.
Pusat Jadi langsong.

pula ini Di-bawah Head 143, talipon, ia-itu ber- kenaan dengan juga saya merasa sa-bagaimana ahli daripada itu merasa, ia-itu memang-lah Raub saya mengakui pada satu segi ia-itu perhubongan talipon di-negeri kita boleh di-katakan baik di-Tenggara Asia ini.

Tetapi yang kita berchakap sekarang ini ia-lah masaalah develop ment ia-itu pembangunan bagi ra'ayat bukan masaalah talipon membanding- kan antara satu negara dengan satu negara.
Saya tidak tahu-lah kebaikan itu di-beri kapada kapitalis-kah, orang dalam bandar-kah, tidak tertarek.

Yang saya tertarek apa kita masok dalam urusan yang merupakan development—maka yang kita tujukan ia-lah kapada ra'ayat Jelata.

Jadi saya rasa kalau dapat di-perbanyakkan lagi talipon2 yang di-tepi itu itu, memudahkan lagi urusan2 ra'ayat.

jalan saya itu Di-kawasan saya yang pendudok- nya ada 56 ribu orang, kalau ta' salah saya, baharu ada 4 talipon box.
Jadi jalan2-nya sudah ada dan ini pun kalau kita hendak buat plan pun tidak susah.

Lagi satu ada Member of Par liament ia-itu Ahli Senate yang ber- rumah yang sudah masok 2 tukar tahun talipon di-dalam tidak dapat bandar Kota Baharu sendiri.

Saya ta' tahu-lah apa sebab-nya dan ada satu tempat itu di-sekolah di-Istana Nilam Puri, saya telah meminta talipon ini sudah sampai satu jawapan pun tidak di-terima.

Apa-kah hendak pasang talipon dalam bandar macham Kota Baharu itu memakan sampai 2 tahun-kah?
Saya ilmu talipon ini, tetapi saya hairan sangat lama.

Jadi itu-lah yang saya harap dan jawapan yang betul2 saya minta-lah supaya saya boleh bawa balek kapada tahun, tidak tahu District saya berkenaan dengan jalan di-Perupok itu.
think the more so is Tuan Stephen Yong Kuet Tze: Mr Chairman, Sir, following on what the Honourable Member for Raub said about the importance of having proper telephone communications among the States, I the importance of having proper com munications between Eastern Malaysia and Western Malaysia, In this regard, we have been told that there is a cable link between Sabah and Mainland Malaya which, of course, is a great improvement.
However, we know that Sabah is farther from Kuala Lumpur than Sarawak, and so far we have not been told whether or not a cable link will be established between Sarawak and Western Malaysia.

We know, Sir, these that unless we can bring closer territories closer by having contact, these such as by having telephone cable links, we would find it very difficult at times to maintain close contact.
I should have thought that this cable link between Sarawak and Western Malaysia, particularly Kuching and Kuala Lumpur, should be on the top priority list, because without that we have, as now, to rely on the high frequency telephone link, which is most unsatisfactory because of atmospheric disturbances, which we cannot overcome.

I, therefore, wonder why in these supplementary develop ment estimates some provision has not been put in, even a token sum, so that these services can be provided for.
telephone Further, there is also a great need, the Minister has been of which informed, services for within the States in Eastern Malaysia.

We have been told by the Minister that this matter has been considered, but there is a lack of lines.

I do not see why these lines should be so diffi cult to obtain.

All we need do is to order for these lines.

We have got the men there to lay the lines.


We have all the people necessary to carry out the work but we do not have the mate rial, and the Government cannot supply these lines, surely commercial firms, can supply them, if orders are made?

I say this, Sir, because we do know that telephone service, being a if 1481 23 AUGUST 1966 1482 I think, if more line and, monopoly of the Government is a very the profitable Honourable Minister of Finance would be very glad telephones are installed.
As far as the telephone Department is a revenue earning Department.

I hope very much for that Telecommunications will not forget what he said last year, i.e., he would look into the demand for telephones in in Eastern the Malaysia.

towns, particularly is concerned, the Minister it Tuan Hussein bin Sulaiman (Ulu Kelantan): Tuan Pengerusi, saya akan berchakap dalam Kepala 137—Jalan dan Jambatan.
Saya suka juga meng- uchapkan terima kaseh kapada Men- teri yang berkenaan kerana dengan kerjasama-nya dapat menghulorkan baharu2 ini wang sa-banyak $500,000 untok Jalan Dabong Deli, tetapi yang mendukachitakan saya ia-lah kerana peruntokan itu tersangat lambat, atau pun lewat sampai ka-Kelantan.

Jadi, terpaksa-lah peruntokan itu di-pulang- kan balek sa-tengah daripada-nya sa- banyak $250,000.
Jadi, perkara ini, saya berasa dukachita, kerana kele- watan menghantar peruntokan itu, dan yang kedua, saya dapati juga jalan itu telah terbangkalai sa-lama lebeh kurang lima tahun.

Jalan ini telah mula2 di- bena dan di-beri peruntokan pada tahun 1960 hingga sekarang ini belum siap lagi.

Jalan itu chuma panjang 37 patut-lah Yang batu.


Saya Berhormat Menteri yang berkenaan mengambil berat di-atas hanya satu bidang jalan sahaja di-Kelantan yang ta' dapat di-sudah2kan sa-hingga masa ini di-sempurnakan segera.

rasa atau condemn Di-dapati dan di-beri faham kapada jentera2, saya—bahawa pun plant2-nya yang di-hantar ka-sana ta' berapa chukup dan boleh di-katakan kesemua-nya jentera itu boleh di-kata kan burok2 belaka, kebanyakan yang telah pantai barat di-hantar ka-Kelantan.
Jentera2 ini berjalan beberapa minggu sahaja, itu, rosak dan yang di-dapati barangkali sa-tengah hendak mati esok lusa.
Oleh itu, saya merayu-lah kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri yang ber kenaan supaya mengambil berat me- ini-lah nyudahkan ini, kerana di-sa-belah jalan lagi satu jalan sahaja yang dapat memberi kemudahan kapada pendudok2 di-Ulu Kelantan dan yang akan memberi faedah yang besar kapada pendudok2 di-sana, kerana dengan ada-nya jalan itu, maka dapat-lah segala hasil bahan daripada hutan dan segala kemudahan kesihatan dapat di-hulorkan ka-cherok2 kampong di-Ulu Pergau.
Saya jalan jalan juga suka menyentoh East/West Highway.

Kerana tamat-nya dharurat dan confrontasi, maka patut- lah Yang Berhormat ini sa-kurang2-nya memberi layanan supaya jalan itu dapat di-siap hingga ka-hujong kampong, kalau tidak boleh menyambong jalan ka-Pulau Pinang supaya dapat-lah kam pong2 baharu sa-panjang itu, saperti Kampong Karangan Manjor dan Kampong Laloh yang habis hujong baru di- sa-kali di-antara kampong dalam daerah Olak Jeram, Ulu Kelantan dapat di-gunakan.
Jalan itu ia-lah sa- jauh 15 batu daripada Kuala Krai, supaya dapat-lah orang2 kampong di- situ berulang alek dengan senang-nya dan dapat layanan kesihatan yang ter- lebeh baik lagi dan segera daripada memakai jalan sungai.

Saya juga suka menegaskan bahawa barangkali dengan jalan2 sadikit, itu, ada-nya chalun2 parti dapat lain hendak kemenangan di-situ, dan saya tegaskan ta' usah-lah siapa chuba pergi ber- tanding jika segala kemudahan dapat terima dengan baik-nya dari kita pehak Kementerian.
susah Tuan Mohamed Yusof bin Mahmud (Temerloh): Tuan Pengerusi, saya hen dak berchakap sadikit sahaja ber kenaan dengan perbelanjaan jalan ka- luar Negeri untok pembangunan saya pemberian bandar.

Bagi ini kapada negeri ini, rasa saya bagi pehak saya, kawasan saya, saya uchap- kan berbanyak terima kaseh, kerana peruntokan ini di-adakan pada satu masa ka-satu masa, tetapi dalam per kara ini, saya patut juga timbulkan beberapa soalan2 yang timbul hasil daripada pembenaan2 jalan2 ka-kam- pong2 ini.
Pada masa yang lampau jalan2 ini di-bena, sa-telah di-bena dengan wang yang di-beri oleh peruntokan ini kapada Negeri—di-bena sa-kali terus sahaja, umpama-nya satu jalan yang 1483 23 AUGUST 1966 1484 di-buat pada satu kampong ka-kam- pong yang lain yang memakan sa-jauh kurang 7 batu perbelanjaan dengan sa- kali gus sahaja, tetapi apa telah jadi pada satu masa jalan ini tidak di- langsong—tidak ada pen- pedulikan jadi apabila jaga.
Jadi, apa chukup 6 bulan jalan ini kebanyakkan- nya telah pechah—hendak menantikan lagi pada satu meshuarat lagi per- untokan hendak membuat itu meng- ambil masa satu tahun lagi.

Jadi, ini- lah rasa saya kita membuang duit dengan banyak.
telah hujan tinggi2 semua-nya jalan raya jalan dan turun gravel supaya faedah hari2, habis Pada fikiran saya dapat Menteri ini menasihatkan kapada Negeri2, jikalau mereka telah mendapat peruntokan ini, peruntokan2, mesti-lah mengadakan atau menjaga itu—main jalan tenance—ini sangat mustahak, kerana jikalau jalan tidak ada maintenance 6 semua bulan, pechah, kerana jalan2 yang di-buat ini bukan-lah jalan macham jalan high way yang taraf-nya.

Ke- banyakan-nya semua gravel.

Jadi, bila itu.


hujan Jadi, ini-lah pada fikiran saya, kita membelanjakan bagitu banyak untok membuat jalan, mesti-lah kita sediakan itu maintenance dia betul2 memberi elok kapada orang2 yang berkehendakkan, kerana ini ada-lah satu benda yang sangat mustahak untok meninggikan taraf hidup.

Bagitu juga, saya harap jurutera2 yang di-tugaskan menjalankan kerja, membena jalan ini, akibat daripada mesti memikirkan benaan jalan itu boleh memberi faedah yang lama.
Umpama- nya, saya, lebeh kurang dua batu sa-tengah di- bena, pada masa hari panas maka jalan itu sangat baik, tetapi apabila datang dua jam hujan, maka jalan itu pada tiga hari ta' boleh berjalan.

Sa- patut-nya kita berjalan naik basikal, tetapi sa-balek-nya basikal naik kita ini rasa saya pada masa jurutera2 kurang perhatian daripada ini membena jalan2 ini.

Kalau keadaan itu, patut di-chari helah sa-macham apa-kah chara-nya supaya itu, bila datang hujan tidak tergendala di- gunakan.
jalan di-tempat itu, ada-kah itu.

Jadi, saperti jalan Jadi, pada fikiran saya yang bukan bertaraf jurutera, bagi orang kampong taroh juga, kerana jalan2 macham itu dari laterite atau pun pada kita tanah merah, ada kita gunakan me- naroh batu2 sungei atau pun pasir2 sungei yang akan boleh membaiki.

Tetapi ini ia-lah fikiran orang kam pong.

Jadi, saya harap ini-lah dua perkara yang besar; benaan2 yang di-buat ini ia-lah memikirkan keadaan2 di-tempat itu.
Kalau keadaan di-Kuala Lumpur, dekat2 sini tanah2 itu keras, tanah2 itu tanah pasir yang tidak mengakibah- kan saperti itu tadi, tetapi kalau di- tempat2 tanah liat di-taroh laterite, dua jam hujan tiga hari jalan itu tidak boleh itu kita di-gunakan, padahal dapat pasir2 daripada Sungai Pahang yang besar daripada kita menggunakan laterite.

Tetapi saya menegor ini dari pada segi orang awam, tetapi daripada segi teknikal saya tidak boleh hendak melawan atau pun membangkang apa2 pendapat daripada engineer.
Apa yang pada kita ini perkara practical—benda yang boleh kita tengok hari2.

jalan Jadi, saya minta-lah perhatian dari pada Menteri ini menasehatkan Juru tera2 Negeri atas tegoran2 yang saya serukan tadi: yang pertama berkenaan benaan itu, yang ke-dua maintenance2- nya.

Jadi, rasa saya kalau kita buat jalan 7 batu ada empat lima orang buroh yang menjaga maintenance itu, perbelanjaan yang akan kita gunakan kemudian hari sangat2 sadikit.

Kalau sa-tahun, kita kena tidak, chukup buat balek itu.
Maka belanja itu berlipat ganda daripada masa kita membuat yang pertama itu.

Jadi rasa saya Menteri Kewangan itu akan be sar hati kita dapat menjimatkan per belanjaan ini.

jalan ini ini, perkara Jadi, saya harap-lah Yang Berhormat Menteri dapat memikirkan chadangan2 saya ini untok kebaikan.

Sebab saya berchakap telah di- bawa dalam meshuarat Pembangunan Luar Bandar daerah saya di-mana di- terangkan keadaan sa-macham ini dan ini telah di-laporkan kapada Kerajaan Negeri.
Saya perchaya barangkali per kara ini akan sampai kapada pering- kat2 Persekutuan.

Tetapi, bak kata belum sampai itu, jadi saya melaong- kan dalam Dewan yang berbahagia ini 1485 23 AUGUST 1966 1486 untok perhatian Menteri Yang Ber- hormat.

Terima kaseh.

Tuan Haji Mokhtar bin Haji Ismail (Perlis Selatan): Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak berchakap atas Kepala 137 dan Pechahan-kepala 8, Grants to States for Rural Roads.
Tuan Pengerusi, di-dalam kawasan saya ada sa-batang jalan yang panjang- nya lebeh kurang 10 batu, ia-itu jalan itu di-namakan Jalan Tengku Badariah, mengambil sempena nama Yang Ter- amat Mulia Raja Perempuan Perlis.

Dan jalan itu telah pun di-bena sa- masa Pilehan Raya yang pertama dahulu.

Dan dalam Pilehan Raya yang kedua pun, di-buat janji hendak me- nyudahkan jalan tersebut.
Tetapi, apa yang telah terjadi sekarang ini, jalan itu belum lagi di-sudahkan, dan menye- babkan banyak-lah kesusahan2 kapada kanak2 sekolah dan bagitu juga kapada petani2 yang hendak membawa barang2 mereka.

Jadi, Tuan Pengerusi, pada hari ini saya dapat tahu daripada anggaran ini, tentu-lah termasok sama banyak per- untokan untok menyudahkan Jalan Tengku Badariah daripada Arau ka- Simpang Empat itu.
Jadi, saya ber- harap-lah kapada Menteri Kerja Raya tolong-lah menyudahkan jalan yang tersebut kerana saya telah banyak di- maki hamun oleh penghuni2 di-situ mengatakan saya janji bohong.

Jadi, dengan juga kapada Menteri, walau bagaimana pun tolong-lah pejam mata pada tahun ini kena sudahkan jalan itu.

itu saya berharap-lah Dan yang kedua, Kepala 143 berke- naan dengan talikom.

Bagaimana yang di-terangkan oleh rakan saya wakil Raub, bagitu juga keadaan di-Perlis.
Kerana di-dalam negeri Perlis sudah pakai Automatic System.

Tetapi, kalau hendak buat panggilan keluar negeri, terpaksa-lah kita meminta exchange daripada Alor Star.

Kadang2 sa-jam menunggu-nya, baharu dapat.

Sudah, kita tanya balek pula, operator tanya balek bukan-lah saya sudah bagi?

"Ah, nanti saya minta lagi sa-kali".

Jadi, macham ini-lah keadaan-nya, Tuan Pengerusi.


Jadi, saya harap ini nampak- nya Menteri Kerja Raya dan Pos ingat tolong-lah mengambil supaya tidak menjadi satu gangguan, terutama sa-kali kapada ahli2 perniagaan yang dudok dalam negeri Perlis.

Mereka itu banyak juga saudagar2 yang merayu kapada saya kerana mereka itu kata kadang2 mereka hendak talipon ka- Ipoh, dan lain2 tempat, tidak dapat.
Jadi, oleh kerana itu saya berharap- lah perkara ini dapat di-atasi dan dengan jalan itu dapat-lah kita men- jagakan nama baik Kerajaan kita pada hari ini.

Jadi, sa-takat itu-lah sahaja, Tuan Pengerusi.

Terima kaseh.

jalan2 jambatan Dato' Dr Haji Megat Khas (Kuala Kangsar): Saya minta izin mengambil bahagian sadikit dan yang rengkas berkenaan dengan tambahan perbelan- jaan yang di-kemukakan oleh Menteri Kewangan di-hadapan kita pada hari ini.
Dan saya mengambil bahagian hendak membinchangkan sadikit da lam perkara Kepala 137 berkenaan dengan di- dan kampong2, ia-itu Pechahan-kepala 8.

Di-sini juga, saya suka hendak menya- tukan suara saya dengan suara Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang telah berchakap lebeh dahulu daripada saya kerana ada-lah perkara jalan2 yang hendak di- luar bandar bena di-dalam kawasan di-dalam mana2 jajahan atau pun ka wasan sa-kali pun, ia-lah di-bawah pentadbiran Ranchangan Pembangunan Luar Bandar.
Dan sa-kali pun jalan2 yang hendak di-perbuat daripada satu masa ka-satu masa telah pun di-masok- kan di-dalam Buku Merah kita, tetapi sampai-lah masa ini, sunggoh pun sudah di-persetujukan di-atas asas-nya jalan2 itu akan di-buat, tetapi orang2 kampong jalan itu kerana maseh menunggu kedatangan wang daripada Kerajaan Perikatan di-Ibu Pusat.
tidak juga mendapat Di-dalam kawasan saya sendiri ada beberapa banyak permintaan daripada orang kampong, supaya mereka itu dapat meni'mati satu daripada kemu- dahan yang di-bawa oleh Ranchangan Pembangunan Luar Bandar ini, ia-itu mengadakan jalan di-antara satu tem pat ka-satu tempat yang lain.

Mithal- nya ini Yang Berhormat Menteri Kerja Raya sendiri pun ada tahu kawasan ini, di-antara yang sebutkan saya 1487 23 AUGUST 1966 1488 Iskandar Bridge di-Kuala Kangsar dengan jabatan keretapi sa-belah ulu.
ini, banyak orang2 Jadi, kawasan Melayu yang dudok di-situ yang susah anak2 hendak pergi sekolah pagi2, atau hendak membawa jenazah mati ka- tanah perkuboran pun susah, hendak mengeluarkan hasil-mahsul daripada kampong hendak bawa ka-bandar pun susah kerana jalan.

Saya tidak ada sendiri mengetahui, ia-itu Kerajaan sendiri menyatakan baik-lah kita buat jalan.

Tetapi, sampai hari ini tunggu- kan yang peruntokan.
Jadi, saya harap- lah kapada Menteri Kerja Raya, kalau-lah di-sini tempat yang sesuai, minta-lah peruntokan itu di-beri dengan ,sa-berapa segera-nya yang boleh.

itu jalan jalan sudah-lah Dan ada lagi satu jalan yang ada sekarang di-kampong di-Ulu Kenas.

Ini juga satu kawasan Yang Berhormat Menteri sendiri ada kenal dan tahu dengan sa-benar2-nya, ia-itu jalan ka- Kubang Pekan daripada raya masok ka-tepi Sungai Perak.
Di-situ juga-lah kalau sa-kira-nya pada masa lalu dengan hari hujan, kalau kita motokar, jalan tanah merah sahaja, tetapi ada yang tinggi ada yang rendah.

Kalau sa-kira- nya berek motokar kita tidak berapa makan, harus juga dia menggulonsor masok ka-dalam lembah yang sa-belah itu, sa-lain daripada itu bechak kena itu saya di-ayer hujan.
Jadi dengan tempat berharap-lah yang boleh di-segerakan, kalau-lah sa- kira-nya itu boleh memberi munafa'at dan kemudahan kapada orang2 kampong di-situ, saya meminta- ia-itu Menteri yang berkenaan lah akan memberi perhatian supaya dapat- lah kita dengan sa-benar2-nya menu- naikan janji kita kapada ra'ayat jelata yang memandang tinggi kapada segala janji2 yang kita terlebeh dahulu.
Dengan itu, ini sahaja-lah bagi perhatian saya kerana kalau sa-kira- nya saya mengambil chontoh2 yang lain lebeh banyak lagi saya boleh beri, tetapi oleh kerana hendak memendek- kan masa, dua chontoh ini chukup-lah.

Terima kaseh, Tuan Pengerusi.

ia-itu di-mana2 telah beri jalan2 Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Chairman, Sir, the hour is getting late, but I hope the Honourable Minister will permit me to join in the fun and game of the high level Alliance comments on the subjects under his Ministry.
I would like to refer, Sir, to Head 137, Sub head 8 Grants to States for Rural Roads, Sir, I do so with a little bit of amusement, but however with some degree of intent.

The Honourable Minister would have heard, everybody in the States of Malaya would have heard, and the World Bank has already the proposed Penang Hill heard, of Road.

Sir, the Penang Hill Road is a very important road, and here I am asking to make a grant to the State to help the completion of this road.
the Central Government Sir, this road will not only bring benefit to the rural areas but it will also bring benefit to the whole State.
to At the present moment it is cut about three miles up the hill and not paved, and if left at its present stage we will not only not be completing the road but we will spend money to no in avail because what has happened various parts of all country because of inclement of weather, as has been pointed out by Honourable Members on the Alliance bench, will also happen in Penang—i.e., when rain falls it will wash away unpaved roads.
Sir, I do agree that the Honourable Minister has to work within the Five-Year Malaysia Plan and the Red Book, and, according to the Assistant Minister of Finance, under stringent conditions, but, I do hope that the Honourable Minister will consider helping the State Government by making a grant, in order that the Penang Hill Road can be completed, which will bring benefit not only to Penang and the people in Penang, but also to tourism which comes under the Minister of Commerce and Industry.
Tuan Chin Foon (Ulu Kinta): Mr Chairman, Sir, I wish to take part in the debate on Head 137, Sub-heads 6 and 8, and I think our Minister is aware of what I am going to bring up in this House.

Previously I brought up the question of the road from Cameron Highlands to Tanjong Rambutan town.
During the general election, the Minis ter of Works, Posts and Telecommuni cations and our Deputy Prime Minister, 1489 23 AUGUST 1966 1490 mounted the platform and addressed the public saying that only the Alliance Party could develop roads through jungles and over rivers.

So, I would like to remind our Minister about the road to from Cameron Highlands Tanjong Rambutan in particular.
Sir, whenever I go to the Tanjong Ram butan area, I find that the electorate there clamouring and saying that our Minister is a liar (Laughter), and every time I have to defend our Minister.

So, what I am going to say if our Minister were just to keep on hanging on to this project?
During the last State Rural Development meeting, I brought this matter up to the State Engineer, but he did not know anything about this project, and he said that no survey or anything has been done—Sir, I got the shock of my life.

Even during last week when I went to an Alliance meet the Alliance were ing, members of requesting for this road, and one mem ber said, "When our Minister comes here, I know how to deal with him" {Laughter).
Sir, may be this is not only our Minister's affair, but I also have some responsibility, because I am the person elected and returned from that this road from Cameron area.
Sir, Highlands is to Tanjong Rambutan going to benefit the people in that area, and if that project is undertaken, we could open up a lot of land for the farmers for cultivation purpose in that area, and in this connection I would like the Minister, and he is aware of it, to bear in mind that my constituency and his are all mining lands.

in think, it passes is partly, I Now, Sir, I wish to touch on rural roads.

The road which I am going to the mention Minister's constituency.
The road is from Jalong and through several kampongs—Ulu Kuang, Kam- pong Jasa and Ulu Chemor.

This is an earth road and during the rainy season the bicycles of the kampong folks got stuck in the mud—the mudguards will be covered with mud which in turn jams the wheels of the bicycles thus immobilizing the people have to stop several times to get the mud cleared before they could come to the main road.
That road Sir, really concerns our Minister's consti the bicycles, and tuency, and I hope our Minister will look into this matter and have that stretch of road made up into a good bitumen road.

like the Minister to mention about Sir, I now wish to draw the attention of three kampongs to which are adjoining the Ipoh Munici pality.

Sir, the Ipoh Municipality, is in the hands of the P.P.P.
of Malaya, and they have been bragging that since they gain control of the Municipality they have built beautiful roads, but I would three adjoining kampongs—Kampong Tengku Hussain, Kampong Manjoi and Kam pong Sungai Kati, in which our bumiputeras have been living.

These people have been issued with T.O.Ls and they do not have a chance of enjoying good rural roads.

The kam pongs are in a worked-out mining area and there are only walking paths for the kampong folks.
So, whenever I visit these kampongs the electorate will complain to me saying, "The Alliance Party is a well established party.

Why can't they build better roads, like those of the Ipoh Municipality?"

Well, Sir, it is very awkward for me to reply to my electorate in that area, and I wish to ask our Minister to bear that in to mind, because we must be able compete and have better roads than Opposition controlled areas, such as the Ipoh Municipality.

Thank you, Sir.
Thank you, Sir.

Tuan Senawi bin Ismail (Seberang Selatan): Tuan Pengerusi, saya ingin berchakap dengan rengkas sahaja ia-itu berkenaan dengan Kepala 137, Kepala-kechil 8—Grants to States for Rural Roads.
sa-chara juga jambatan, bagitu Tuan Pengerusi, sa-sunggoh-nya Ke- rajaan kita telah membenakan beberapa jalan2 buah raya, daripada kechil dan sa-habis2 besar, tetapi saya menarek perhatian di-dalam Majlis ini terutama sa-kali kapada Menteri yang berkenaan ia-itu bagi kawasan saya sa-batang jalan yang di-namakan Jalan Sempadan ia-itu me- nyebelah Seberang Prai dan Perak.

Jalan itu jauh-nya sa-panjang enam batu.


Dukachita, Tuan Pengerusi, satu2 bas atau satu2 kereta yang melalui di-atas jalan itu, tidak dapat-lah umpama kata saperti mana jalan yang lain2.

Hanya 1491 23 AUGUST 1966 1492 kalau bas berjalan, bas itu berhenti dahulu belakang kereta lain baharu lalu, demikian juga sa-barang boleh kereta pun terpaksa kena berhenti da hulu.
Ini-iah yang menyedehkan yang saya telah di-beritahu, di-katakan jalan itu Perak jaga dan juga mankaladi- beritahu Perak, kata-nya Pulau Pinang jaga.

Dengan sebab ada-nya Grants to States for Rural Roads ini, jadi saya merayu-lah kapada Menteri yang ber- kenaan, berkenaan dengan hal itu, demi kepentingan ra'ayat yang saya tahu di- dalam kawasan itu kawasan menanam padi manakala musim padi ia-itu sebok sangat saperti mana lalu-lalang di- tempat itu.
talipon di-tempat Yang kedua, Tuan Pengerusi, saya menyentoh sadikit berkenaan dengan talipon.

Talipon di-kawasan saya ia-itu Simpang Empat manakala permohonan meminta talipon, jawab-nya tidak ada.

Jadi yang saya tahu kalau orang yang ada talipon, kalau dia berkehendakkan wang dia boleh mendapatkan wang kerana orang yang berkehendakan itu lain membeli pula untok kegunaan tempat sendiri.
Jadi pada hari ini, Tuan Pengerusi, bagai- mana di-tempat2 lain juga ia-itu ka wasan2 yang telah membenakan kilang dan membenakan perusahaan yang lain2 terpaksa-lah mereka itu berkehen dakkan talipon.

Tetapi di-sini-lah saya merayu kapada Menteri yang berke naan tolong-lah menyiasat di-atas hal yang tersebut.

Kerana satu kilang yang telah di-bena dengan harga lebeh kurang dua juta ringgit sampai hari ini saya dengar meminta tidak dapat.
Dan ini-lah, Tuan Pengerusi, saya merayu sa-kali lagi kapada Men teri yang berkenaan.

Terima kaseh.

talipon Tuan Othman bin Abdullah (Perlis Utara): Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak menyentoh satu dua perkara sahaja ia-itu berkenaan dengan jalan.
Pertama sa-kali, saya merayu-lah sa- batang jalan raya yang sekarang ini di-bena dengan di-timbun pasir2 merah ia-itu di-Jalan Padang Melangit supaya dapat di-bena dengan sa-berapa segera ia-itu dengan mengadakan tar kerana jalan itu sekarang ini, dengan desakan orang ramai, bas MARA telah pun berjalan.

Tetapi yang dukachita-nya ia-itu bas itu selalu rosak di-sebabkan jalan itu tidak bagitu baik.
Jadi dengan sebab kehendak itu untok mensesuaikan orang ramai, pendudok ramai di-situ ia-itu sa-batang jalan raya yang di- buboh tar perlu-lah di-bena dengan sa-berapa segera supaya sesuai sangat- lah dengan perjalanan bas yang di- jalankan oleh MARA sekarang ini.

Yang kedua, saya suka menarek perhatian berkenaan sa-batang jalan yang telah lama di-bena, tetapi jalan itu sempit ia-itu Jalan Kolam Ayer atau pun lebeh di-kenali lagi dengan nama Jalan Abi.
Sekarang ini jalan itu telah di-sambong ka-Jalan Batu Pahat dan simpang Padang Golf yang ramai sekarang ini.

Pelanchong2 bermain golf pergi ka-situ, tetapi oleh sebab keba- nyakan motokar2 dan bas yang pergi melanchong di-situ kebanyakan terlalu deras menyebabkan banyak kema- langan2 yang berlaku.

itu jiwa di-situ.
itu jiwa di-situ.

Bagitu telah di-tutup untok Saya berharap Jalan Abi dan Jalan Kolam Ayer atau pun yang simpang-nya ka-Sungai Batu Pahat itu di-bena dengan lebeh luas lagi supaya mengelakkan daripada terjadi-nya ke- malangan2 juga berkaitan dengan jalan itu ia-itu ada satu simpang menuju Kolam Ayer atau pun di-namakan Kolam Ayer Anak Che Long tempat keluar-nya perbe- kalan ayer minum bagi sa-bahagian pendudok2 Perlis.
Jalan itu sekarang ini lalu-lalang, hanya kereta2 kechil sahaja yang dapat lalu di-situ.

Keadaan-nya amat-lah menyedehkan dan tempat itu boleh-lah di-katakan tempat yang terpenchil sa- kali di-tepi bukit di-sana sa-jauh 6 batu daripada Jalan Abi.

Jadi perhubongan apa pun tidak ada.


Talipon pun tidak ada, jalan pun bengkang bengkok dan bechak yang sangat susah sa-kali bagi pekerja2 ayer ini untok pergi bekerja di-situ dan amat susah sa-kali untok membuat perhubongan2 kira-nya ber laku sa-barang kemalangan dan sa- barang kechemasan di-situ.
Jadi, dengan sebab itu, saya merayu supaya jalan menuju Kolam Ayer Anak Che Long itu di-benakan dengan segera, bukan sahaja memberi faedah untok menye- nangkan pekerja2 Water-works itu pergi bekerja di-situ tetapi juga untok me- nyenangkan orang ramai yang banyak 1493 23 AUGUST 1966 1494 berpindah ka-tanah2 baharu di-situ untok menchari kehidupan mereka.
Bagitu juga kedua2 tempat ia-itu di- Batu Pahat dan juga di-Anak Che Long tadi ini sa-lain daripada jalan, saya berharap supaya dapat di-beri perhu- bongan talipon supaya dapat menjaga keadaan keselamatan ayer dan kesela matan2 pendudok di-situ.

tidak dapat di-usahakan oleh ramai, bagitu juga berhubong dengan tanah2 juga luas di-situ dan bagitu yang lombong2 bijeh berhubong dengan timah yang banyak di-kawasan itu.
Dengan terbena-nya jalan itu, maka saya perchaya hasil negeri Perlis dan hasil Kerajaan Persekutuan juga akan bertambah.

Satu lagi jalan.

Sa-batang lagi jalan ia-itu Jalan Kaki Bukit.

Jalan ini pun lama juga telah di-bena oleh Kerajaan, berpuloh2 tahun yang lalu.

Tetapi jalan itu sekarang ini maseh lagi sempit, yang berkehen- dakkan pembenaan dengan chepat.
Apa yang saya timbulkan di-sini di-sebab- pergi kan melanchong ka-Padang Besar sekarang ini ia-itu boleh di-katakan tiap2 minggu, hari Ahad, beratus2 dan berpuloh2 buah bas pergi ka-sana dan selalu berlaku kemalangan kerana jalan itu sempit.
pelanchong2 ramai-nya Jadi dengan sebab itu saya merayu- lah kapada Menteri yang berkenaan supaya dapat di-bena Jalan Kaki Bukit itu dengan lebeh chepat lagi dan buang segala pokok2 yang ada di-tepi jalan itu supaya dapat-lah mengelak- kan daripada sa-barang kemalangan.
bahawa sebutkan saya bershukur Sa-batang lagi jalan yang saya suka hendak dalam meshuarat yang lalu saya ada sebut kan, saya berchadang kapada Kera jaan supaya sa-batang jalan hendak-lah di-bena ka-Kampong Wang Kelian yang sa-jauh 6 batu daripada Kaki Bukit.

Jadi alhamdulillah dan menguchapkan berbanyak2 terima kaseh, kapada Menteri yang ber kenaan, kapada Kerajaan, kerana jalan itu ia-itu pertama sa-kali hendak di-pechahkan bukit yang men jadi kegendalaan untok membena jalan ka-Wang Kelian.
Pada tahun ini khabar-nya Kerajaan telah ada peruntokan $20,000 untok memulakan pekerjaan membuka bukit itu.
telah mendapat perhatian berharap saya sa-takat $20,000 supaya Tetapi jangan-lah sahaja pada tahun ini kalau boleh hendak- lah di-beri bantuan penoh kerana di- jalan yang tersebut itu amat mustahak di-bena dengan serta merta kerana hasil-nya amat banyak di-sana ter- masok kayu kayan yang beratus2 tahun Mr Chairman: Banyak benar jalan ini ia-itu Tuan Othman bin Abdullah: Ada banyak jalan-lah jalan mengikut ranchangan Kerajaan Negeri Perlis, satu benaan pekan baharu akan di-buat di-Padang Besar ia-itu untok mensesuaikan pembenaan dengan sekarang ini.
Dan mengikut di-dalam Layout Plan yang di-chatitkan itu ia-itu sa-batang jalan akan di-bena dari pada pekan Padang Besar menuju ka- Jalan Songkhla ia-itu jalan menyam- bong ka-negeri Siam yang mana lebeh dapat lagi untok pelanchong pergi ka-Siam daripada pergi mengikut jalan Changlon.
Maka dengan sebab itu saya menyeru kapada pehak yang berkenaan atau Kementerian yang berkenaan supaya kalau pun pekan Padang Besar itu belum lagi sampai masa-nya hendak di-bena dengan chara yang lebeh baharu, tetapi di-harap-lah di- beri keutamaan kapada jalan itu lebeh dahulu ia-itu pembenaan jalan dari pada pekan Padang Besar yang sa-jauh lebeh kurang f batu sahaja menyam- bong ka-jalan ka-negeri Siam.
Songkhla saya Pada sa-kali akhir-nya, sukachita lagi hendak mengingatkan chadangan saya pada tahun2 yang lalu ia-itu dua buah titi yang ada dalam titi ka-jalan bandar Kangar ia-itu titi ka-jalan Raja Syed Alwi dan ini sekarang Kolam Kangar yang titi kayu bagitu maseh merupakan sahaja amat-lah menyedehkan.
Jadi dengan sebab itu saya berseru kapada Menteri yang berkenaan supaya dapat mengambil perhatian dalam soal ini supaya pem benaan titi itu dapat di-buat dengan atau pun segera keadaan dalam bandar Kangar itu dapat sa-imbang dengan bandar2 lain.
dan keadaan-nya standard supaya 1495 23 AUGUST 1966 1496 Sir, before the Member Tan Sri V. T. Sambanthan: Mr Chairman, proceeding further, I would like to say that the luckiest Member in the whole House is for Ulu Kelantan because he spoke about the Dabong Jeli Road.

I would like to say that of the $3 million which is being alloca ted, $500,000 the Dabong Jeli Road and that not only are we proceeding with that road but we are also giving it heavy earth moving equipment.
Even last week we doubled the equipment sent for that road (Applause), So, he is really the luckiest Member of the whole House.

is allocated for Enche' Stephen Yong of Sarawak asked about telephone communications between here and Kuching.

I would like to mention to him what I men tioned earlier on in this House, and topospheric that is that we have a scatter system to Kuching in the First Malaysia Plan.

When this is installed, then Kuching should have very fine connections to Western Malaysia.
is getting A number of questions have been asked on State roads and I do not need to go to details with regard to each and every item.

With regard to the from the road East-West Highway, Kuala Lipis to Cameron Highlands, etc., as you know, we have a certain degree of financial difficulties.

I, for one, must say very honestly that the the P.W.D.

within my capacity of Ministry is quite good and we could in fact build as much as 1,000 miles per year if we have the money.
The question the money and, therefore, we have got to expend only as much, and build only as much, as is allocated to us with regard to the provisions.

Therefore, where the larger roads are concerned, like Kuala Lipis/ Cameron Highlands, East /West High way and all that, we have got to go in for assistance from overseas and these have to be obtained only after very careful transportation studies with the submission of data, etc., relating to our requirements.
These are being undertaken now by my Ministry and in due course when they are being submitted for assistance, we shall await and see the result of such assistance.

I do recognise that it is not very wise in a country like ours where there is a lot of rain,—anything from 80 to 120 inches, even more in Eastern Malaysia, it is not a good thing to leave a gravel road as a gravel road.
When it rains, it washes away part of the road and maintenance costs are very high, but the costs of macadamising this road, putting on the seal coat, etc., can be prohibitive when we consider that we have over the past 5 years built over 2,000 miles of roads and all of these have to be covered up properly and therefore we have undertaken a pro gramme of gradual, slowly but surely, macadamising all these roads.
This will take time and all I can ask the Members to recognise that we can only do such work as is given to us through the pro vision of money, and this comes under the overall provision which my col league the Minister of Finance has got to make and he himself is in difficulty, because he just does not have the money and, therefore, we have got to be rather factual, rather realistic, about our own assessment of what we can do.
to be kind enough is The Member for Perlis Selatan and others mentioned about the telephone at Arau.

I would like to inform him that we have just increased the number of lines available from Perlis south wards and therefore there should be an improvement in the telephone con nections in this area.

With regard to the telephone connections to the East Coast, that is Pahang and all that, we are now undertaking an extension of the microwave system to the East and to the North-East.
Once this is com pleted, I think there would be little or no cause for complaint.

This would then provide for the whole country the same degree of efficiency which you can find in Western Malaysia.

With regard to the Tanjong Ram- butan/Cameron Highlands road, it is quite possible for the State Engineer to have told the Honourable Member for Ulu Kinta that he does not) handle this because this is being handled by the Headquarters of the Public Works Department.
I happened to mention this to my friend the last time also, 1497 23 AUGUST 1966 1498 I mean, and not but then he is getting rather impatient, and not without reasons, because he has got to go to Tanjong Rambutan every now and then (Laughter),—his Constituency, to Tanjong Rambutan Hospital.

His constituents are getting rather impa tient, and I would also say that I too am as impatient as he is and I would myself like to see this road built.
That is why I have had the Headquarters to chart out a course of how this road would go through from Tanjong Ram butan to Cameron Highlands.

Then we come to the next question of how do we finance it.

All I can assure him is that we have undertaken a study of the possible route that can be taken and therefore to that extent we have not been idle and we have not been silent.

That is all I can say at the moment, because, as I said, we just do not have the money and it is not under my command.
A number of requests made by the Honourable Members relate to State roads.

The Member for Perlis Utara referred to Jalan Abi, Jalan Kolam Ayer, Jalan Kaki Bukit—all of them have been State roads.

As for the road from Raub to Bentong, again we have got to decide upon improvement on new roads and such like on the basis of a transporta tion study.
We have got requests from all over the country, from every consti tuency, from every State Government, asking for improvements and for new roads, and the only basis on which we can really proceed is on the basis of transportation study, on the basis of density of population, and the basis of requirements that are imposed on us because of the density, and then priori ties are allocated.

It is on this funda mental assumption that we have got to move.
I would to assure Honourable Members that where I am concerned, or where my Ministry is concerned, we will do everything we can to try and speed up; we are ready, but the question is where do we get the money from.

With that, Mr Chairman, Sir, I sit down.

like Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $3,000,000 for Head 137 and $436,335 for Head 143 agreed to stand part of the Development (Supple mentary) (No.

1) Estimates 1966.
1) Estimates 1966.

Heads 145, 146, 147, 148— Menteri Pengangkutan (Tan Sri Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Tuan Penge- rusi, dengan izin tuan saya menerang- kan Anggaran Tambahan Belanjawan Pembangunan di-bawah semua Kepala 145, 146, 147, 148 dan pechahan2-nya bagi Kementerian Pengangkutan ber- jumlah sa-banyak $1,744,000.

Kepala 145, Pelabchan, ini berkenaan dengan Jetty Dagangan, Kapit peruntokan $10.
Yang sa-benar-nya anggaran asal ia-lah $165,000 dan telah di-pinda kapada $185,000 dengan kebenaran Jawatan- kuasa Pembangunan dan Peranchang Negara yang telah bersidang pada bulan M ai tahun 1966.

Wang tambahan yang di-perlukan daripada Pechahan-kepala 31, bagi memperelok- kan Pelabohan Sibu dan oleh itu per untokan bagi Pelabohan Sibu kurang- kan daripada $216,782 kapada $196,782.
di-pinda itu Kepala 146, Jabatan Penerbangan Malaya—ini berkenaan dengan Pecha han-kepala 2, Landasan Kapal Terbang, Pulau Langkawi yang sa-benar per untokan $94,000.

Ini patut di-belanja- kan lebeh dahulu tetapi tidak dapat di-belanjakan, balek kerana menyempurnakan membuat pa- rit2 kerana mengeringkan di-lapangan terbang yang selalu tenggelam di-situ.
jadi di-minta Pechahan-kepala 4, Alat Talikom dan belanja untok memasang semua sa-kali, berjumlah $82,700; Pechahan- kepala 6, membaiki Lapangan Terbang —$219,000.

Ini yang di-beri sa-bagai satu tambahan ia-itu yang sa-benar-nya wang baki daripada tahun 1965 yang tidak dapat di-belanjakan sebab pero- jek2 yang tersebut di-bawah ini tidak siap dalam tahun itu.
Sa-buah rumah Kerajaan kelas F $16,000, tangki ayer $71,744, harga tanah benaan dan lain2 untok VOR/DME Beacon di-Ipoh dan Kota Bharu $161,500, baki peruntokan di-kehendaki untok Jabatan Kerja Raya untok menyelesaikan bayaran perojek Pulau Pinang dan Melaka $10,500 jadi jumlah $219,744.
1499 23 AUGUST 1966 1500 Pechahan-kepala 14, bengkel kapal terbang antarabangsa peruntokan $10, di-buat menunjokkan kebenaran bagi membena bengkel kapal2 terbang kechil di-lapangan terbang antarabangsa di- Subang ia-itu di-anggarkan memakan belanja sa-banyak $300,000.

Wang di- kehendaki itu di-ambil buat sementara daripada peruntokan di-bawah Pecha han-kepala 9, VOR/DME Beacon di-lapangan terbang di-Kuala Lumpur dengan kerana projek ini tidak akan di-laksanakan pada tahun ini.
Apabila projek itu hendak di-bena, maka peruntokan yang di-pinda daripada Pechahan-kepala 9, kena di-ganti balek.

Jabatan Penerbangan Awam Negeri2 Borneo, Pechahan-kepala 31, benaan terbang, $117,095 di- bengkel kapal Jesselton.

sa-banyak Peruntokan $1,361,000 di-beri untok benaan sa- buah bengkel kapal terbang yang di- jadualkan siap pada awal tahun ini.
Dalam tahun 1966 ada peruntokan sa-banyak $243,058 tetapi dengan ke rana peruntokan dalam tahun 1965 tidak dapat di-belanjakan semua-nya, maka di-kehendaki balek wang tahun itu sa-banyak $117,095 bagi menyele- saikan bayaran projek itu peruntokan $117,095 merupakan tam- ini sa-benar-nya wang bahan peruntokan yang tidak dapat di-belan jakan pada tahun yang lalu.

Jumlah anggaran bagi projek2 tidak-lah melebehi bagaimana di-anggarkan.

ini.
Oleh tahun ini Pechahan-kepala 33, perelokan la- pangan terbang di-Sandakan $300,000 yang di-kehendaki bagi mengadakan parit mengeringkan ayer di-lapangan terbang Sandakan juga ia-lah daripada peruntokan yang tidak dapat di-belan jakan tahun yang lepas, $255,000 yang di-keluarkan daripada wang pendahu- luan mengejut bagi $75,000 itu telah di-ambil daripada peruntokan yang sudah ada dalam tahun 1966 ia-itu peruntokan hendak memulakan projek lampu2 di-lapangan terbang di-Sanda kan yang sekarang ini di-tanggohkan kerana kekurangan wang.
Kepala 147, Perkhidmatan Kaji Chuacha Malaya, Pechahan-kepala 5, memperbaiki dan memperelok Station Kaji Chuacha dan rumah2 kaki-tangan memakan belanja sa-banyak $925 dan pagar bilek dan mengadakan bidai di- Station Kaji Chuacha di-Subang.

Itu- lah termasok dalam perbelanjaan $925 tadi.


bagi menyelesaikan Pechahan-kepala 6, $2,000 di-kehen daki bayaran benaan Radio Sonde Station, Bayan Lepas, yang baru siap pada awal tahun ini tetapi tidak dapat di-bayar dengan kerana peruntokan dalam tahun 1965 telah luput dan tidak ada peruntokan yang di-buat dalam anggaran tahun ini.

Pechahan-kepala 7, menempatkan semula setor Radar $23,000—ini pun sa-bagai menggantikan juga di-beri tidak peruntokan di-belanjakan.
tahun sudah yang Kepala 148, Jabatan Laut $817,658 peruntokan sa-banyak tambahan $817,658 ini terdiri daripada $400,000 untok meminda kapal korek dan yang baki $412,658 itu ia-lah bagi menyele saikan bayaran akhir harga kapal korek yang baharu siap itu.

Pechahan-kepala 41, membaharui kapal2 di-negeri Sarawak $87,602.

Wang ia-lah tambahan $87,602 menggantikan peruntokan dalam ran- changan yang lepas untok membaiki kapal2 di-Sarawak.
Bayaran tidak dapat di-selesaikan dalam tahun 1965 sebab kapal2 itu baharu sahaja siap pada awal tahun ini.

Itu-lah sahaja.

ini Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Pengerusi, dengan izin Tuan, saya hendak berchakap sadikit ia-itu di- bawah Head 146, Penerbangan Awam, Pechahan-kepala 2—Pulau Langkawi Landing Ground.

Pada fikiran saya tempat yang bagitu bukan-lah satu memerlukan penerbangan kapal terbang sebab memadai dengan kapal laut atau pun motorbot pergi di-situ.
Ada pun kalau kita fikirkan penerbangan itu mustahak untok membawa pegawai2 atau pun Menteri2 kita yang hendak pergi berehat di-sana atau pun bekerja, sa-mata2 memakai kita Helicopter sahaja ta' payah-lah kita membuat padang kapal terbang yang tidak kita nampak mustahak di-situ dan saya tidak nampak satu sebab yang dapat di-beri oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri kita mengapa padang ini mus tahak sangat di-buat di-situ.
Yang lebeh boleh-lah 1501 23 AUGUST 1966 1502 sebab kita dapati penting-nya ia-lah Pechahan-kepala 6 ia-itu memperbaiki padang2 kapal ter- terutama bang macham di-Sabah, di-Sarawak dan di- Sandakan, padang kapal terbang-nya amat-lah tidak memuaskan dan meng- harapkan pembenaan2 yang di-buat oleh ashkar2 atau pun military di-situ.

Sedangkan penerbangan awam yang di-bawah jagaan Kementerian ini tidak- lah memberi perhatian yang sa-wajar- nya atau pun yang sa-penoh-nya.
Berkenaan dengan Head 147, ia-itu Radio Sonde steshen di-Bayan Lepas itu di-sini di-minta $200,000—saya dapati radio di-situ baharu2 ini saya pergi bukan sahaja $200,000 patut kita tambahkan tetapi kalau lebeh lagi pun patut sebab penyiaran di-situ memain- kan peranan yang mustahak.
Akhir sa-kali ia-itu memperbaiki kapal2 di-Sarawak, Launches Replace ment ini pun, Tuan Pengerusi, per- jalanan kapal2 di-Sarawak itu saya rasa perkara2 yang bersangkut paut dengan hal ini amat-lah kurang padahal kita sekarang ini boleh di-katakan sudah selesai betul-lah berkenaan kon- ini dan saya rasa sa-barang frantasi chara dengan Malaysia hubongan Timor itu patut di-lipatgandakan lagi terutama kita hendak menghadapi pilehanraya tidak lama lagi boleh jadi referendum pun ada di-situ dan kita berhajat-lah sa- hubongan macham ini.
Sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Pengerusi, kalau pun baik ta' sahaja itu dapat hubongan Malaysia Timor dengan Malaysia Barat, itu patut-lah di-banyakkan lagi dan saya rasa tam- bahan2 ini patut di-berikan lagi.

yang Tan Sri Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Saya minta $2,000, bukan $200,000.

Yang Berhormat ta' nampak-kah?

Mr Chairman: Time is up!

House resumed.

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: $2,000, $2,000, jadi $2,000 memper baiki itu, Tuan Pengerusi, tiang sahaja- lah yang kita hendak buat 2-3 tiang.
Jadi apa-kah benda yang kita boleh buat itu padahal tempat itu amat-lah bandingkan mustahak dengan Kuala Lumpur, Melaka, Pulau Pinang itu mustahak sangat yang kita hendak buat di-situ.

kalau kita Mr (Deputy) Speaker: Honourable Members, I have to report that the the Development on Committee (Supplementary) (No.

1) Estimates, 1966 has progressed up to Head 143 of (Supplementary) the Development (No.

1) Estimates, 1966.

The House is adjourned a.m. tomorrow.

till 10.00 Adjourned at 8.05 p.m.