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11 Saturday 27th August, 1966 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DEWAN RAAYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) OFFICIAL REPORT THIRD SESSION OF THE SECOND HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES CONTENTS ANNOUNCEMENT BY MR SPEAKER: The Constitution (Amendment) Bill (Postponement of Second and Third Readings) ICol.

19771 ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS ICol.

19781 ADJOURNMENT SINE DIE (Motion) ICol.

1993] BILLS: The Tin Industry (Research and Development) Fund (Amendment) Bill ICol.
1994] The Rubber Industry (Replanting) Fund (Amendment) Bill ICol.

1996] The Local Government Elections (Amendment) (No.

2) Bill ICol.

2005] MOTIONS: The Customs Ordinance, 1952—the Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.

5) Order, 1966 ICol.

2019] The Sabah Customs Ordinance (Cap.

33)—the Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amend ment) (No.

3) Order, 1966 ICol.

2021] The Sarawak Customs Ordinance (Cap.

26—the Customs (Import and Export) Duties (Amendment) (No.
2) Order, 1966 [Col. 2021] The Customs Ordinance, 1952—the Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.

6) Order, 1966 [Col. 2022] The Sabah Customs Ordinance (Cap.

33)—the Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amend ment) (No.

4) Order, 1966 [Col. 2031] The Sarawak Customs Ordinance (Cap.

26)—the Customs (Import and Export) Duties (Amendment) <No.

3) Order, 1966 ICol.

2033] The First Report of the Standing Orders Committee (Third Session) of the Second House of Representatives (Paper No.
DR 4 of 1966) [Col. 2034] DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, A .

M .

N ., PENCHETAK KERAJAAN KUALA LUMPUR 1967 MALAYSIA DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) Official Report Third Session of the Second Dewan Ra'ayat Saturday, 27th August, 1966 The House met at Ten o'clock a.m.

PRESENT: The Honourable Mr Speaker, DATO' CHIK MOHAMED YUSUF BIN SHEIKH ABDUL RAHMAN, S.P.M.P., J.P., Dato' Bendahara, Perak.
the Prime Minister, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, Y.T.M.

TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M.

(Kuala Kedah).

the Minister of Finance, TUAN TAN SIEW SIN, J.P. (Melaka Tengah).

the Minister of Transport, TAN SRI HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N.

(Pontian Utara).

the Minister of Health, TUAN BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah).

the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan).
the Minister for Local Government and Housing, TUAN KHAW KAI-BOH, PJ.K.

(Ulu Selangor).

the Minister of Labour, TUAN V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., PJ.K.

(Klang).

the Minister of Information and Broadcasting, TUAN SENU BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Kubang Pasu Barat).

the Minister of Lands and Mines, TUAN ABDUL-RAHMAN BIN YA'KUB (Sarawak).

the Assistant Minister without Portfolio, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara).
the Assistant Minister of National and Rural Development, TUAN SULAIMAN BIN BULON (Bagan Datoh).

the Assistant Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, DATO' ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ABDUL KADIR, J.M.N., S.M.T., P J .

K. (Trengganu Tengah).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health, TUAN IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Labour, TUAN LEE SAN CHOON, K.M.N.

(Segamat Selatan).
(Segamat Selatan).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance, TUAN A LI BIN HAJI AHMAD (Pontian Selatan).

1971 27 AUGUST 1966 1972 The Honourable the Parliamentary Secretary to the Deputy Prime Minister, TUAN CHEN WING SUM (Damansara).

TUAN ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N.

(Melaka Utara).

TUAN ABDUL KARIM BIN ABU, A.M.N.

(Melaka Selatan).

WAN ABDUL KADIR BIN ISMAIL, P.P.T.

(Kuala Trengganu Utara).

TUAN ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSAIN (Lipis).


TUAN ABDUL SAMAD BIN G UL AHMAD MIANJI (Pasir Mas Hulu).

TUAN HAJI A BU BAKAR BIN HAMZAH, J.P. (Baehok).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH, S.M.K.

(Kelantan Hilir).

TUAN AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N.

(Muar Utara).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAAID, J.P. (Seberang Utara).

PUAN AJIBAH BINTI ABOL (Sarawak).

TUAN AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam).

TUAN CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N.

(Kluang Selatan).

TUAN CHAN SEONG YOON (Setapak).

TUAN CHAN SIANG SUN, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Bentong).


TUAN CHIA CHIN SHIN, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN CHIN FOON (Ulu Kinta).

TUAN C. V. DEVAN NAIR (Bungsar).

TUAN SYED E SA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.MJ., P.I.S.

(Batu Pahat Dalam).

TAN SRI FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N.

(Jitra-Padang Terap).

TUAN HANAFI BIN MOHD.

YUNUS, A.M.N., J.P. (Kulim Utara).

TUAN HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N., J.P. (Baling).

TUAN HUSSEIN BIN T O' MUDA HASSAN, A.M.N.

(Raub).

DATO' HAJI HUSSEIN BIN MOHD.

NOORDIN, D.P.M.P., A.M.N., P.J.K.


(Parit).

TUAN HUSSEIN BIN SULAIMAN (Ulu Kelantan).

TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN, S.M.K.

(Kota Bharu Hulu).

TUAN ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan).

TAN SRI SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, P.M.N.

(Johor Tenggara).

TUAN LEE SECK FUN, K.M.N.

(Tanjong Malim).

DR LIM CHONG EU (Tanjong).

TUAN L IM PEE HUNG, P.J.K.

(Alor Star).

DR MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMAD (Kota Star Selatan).

TUAN T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson).

TUAN MOHD.

ARIF SALLEH, A.D.K.

(Sabah).


DATO' HAJI MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA.

S.P.M.K.

(Pasir Puteh).

TUAN MOHD.

DAUD BIN ABDUL SAMAD (Besut).

1973 27 AUGUST 1966 1974 The Honourable TUAN MOHD.

TAHIR BIN ABDUL MAJID, S.M.S., P J .

K. (Kuala Langat).

TUAN MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N.

(Temerloh).

TUAN MOHD.

ZAHIR BIN HAJI ISMAIL, J.M.N.

(Sungai Patani).

WAN MOKHTAR BIN AHMAD (Kemaman).

TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan).
TUAN MUHAMMAD FAKHRUDDIN BIN HAJI ABDULLAH (Pasir Mas Hilir).

TUAN HAH MUHAMMAD SU'AUT BIN HAJI MUHD.

TAHIR, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

DATO' HAH MUSTAPHA BIN HAH ABDUL JABAR, D.P.M.S., A.M.N., J.P. (Sabak Bernam).

TUAN NG FAH YAM (Batu Gajah).

TUAN HAJI OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Hilir Perak).

TUAN OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Perlis Utara).

TUAN QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Timor).

TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAH MOHD.

SAID, PJ.K., J.P. (Rembau-Tampin).

RAJA ROME BIN RAJA MA'AMOR, PJ.K., J.P. (Kuala Selangor).
TUAN SEAH TENG NGIAB, P.I.S.

(Muar Pantai).

TUAN SENAWI BIN ISMAIL, PJ.K.

(Seberang Selatan).

TUAN SOH AH TECK (Batu Pahat).

TUAN SULAIMAN BIN A LI (Dungun).

PENGIRAN TAHIR PETRA (Sabah).

TUAN TAI KUAN YANG (Kulim-Bandar Bharu).

DR TAN CHEE KHOON (Batu).

TUAN TAN TOH HONG (Bukit Bintang).

TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD.

TAIB, P J .

K. (Langat).


ABSENT: The Honourable the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence and Minister of National and Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N.

(Pekan).

the Minister of Home Affairs and Minister of Justice, TUN DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, S.S.M., P.M.N.

(Johor Timor).

the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, TAN SRI V. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N.

(Sungei Siput).

the Minister of Education, TUAN MOHAMED KHIR JOHARI (Kedah Tengah).
the Minister for Welfare Services, TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT A LI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang).

the Minister for Sarawak Affairs, TAN SRI TEMENGGONG JUGAH ANAK BARIENG, P.M.N., P.D.K.

(Sarawak).

the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, TUAN HAJI MOHD.

GHAZALI BIN HAH JAWI (Ulu Perak).

1975 27 AUGUST 1966 1976 The Honourable the Minister for Sabah Affairs, TUN DATU MUSTAPHA BIN DATU HARUN, S.M.N., P.D.K.

(Sabah).
(Sabah).

the Assistant Minister of Education, TUAN LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N., PJ.K.

(Sepang).

the Assistant Minister of Finance, DR NG KAM POH, J.P. (Telok Anson).

TUAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB, P J .

K. (Kuantan).

WAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN DATU TUANKU BUJANG, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN HAJI ABDUL RASHID BIN HAJI JAIS (Sabah).

DATO' ABDULLAH BIN ABDULRAHMAN, S.M.T., Dato' Bijaya di-Raja (Kuala Trengganu Selatan).

Y.A.M.

TUNKU ABDULLAH IBNI ALMARHUM TUANKU ABDUL RAHMAN, P.P.T.

(Rawang).
(Rawang).

TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAH MOHD.

SALLEH, A.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S.

(Segamat Utara).

O.K.K.

DATU ALIUDDIN BIN DATU HARUN, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

DR AWANG BIN HASSAN, S.MJ.

(Muar Selatan).

TUAN JONATHAN BANGAU ANAK RENANG, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

PENGARAH BANYANG ANAK JANTING, P.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN CHEW BIOW CHUON, J.P. (Bruas).

TUAN FRANCIS CHIA NYUK TONG (Sabah).

TUAN D. A. DAGO ANAK RANDAN alias DAGOK ANAK RANDEN (Sarawak).

TUAN EDWIN ANAK TANGKUN (Sarawak).


DATIN HAJJAH FATIMAH BINTI HAJI ABDUL MAJID (Johor Bahru Timor).

TUAN S. FAZUL RAHMAN, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

DATO' GANIE GILONG, P.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).

TUAN GANING BIN JANGKAT (Sabah).

TUAN GEH CHONG KEAT, K.M.N.

(Penang Utara).

TUAN HAH HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N., P J .

K. (Kapar).

TUAN HANAFIAH BIN HUSSAIN, A.M.N.

(Jerai).

WAN HASSAN BIN WAN DAUD (Tumpat).

TUAN STANLEY HO NYUN KHIU, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

TUAN IKHWAN ZAINI (Sarawak).


PENGHULU JINGGUT ANAK ATTAN, Q.M.C, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN KADAM ANAK KIAI (Sarawak).

TUAN KAM WOON WAH, J.P. (Sitiawan).

TUAN THOMAS KANA (Sarawak).

TUAN KHOO PENG LOONG (Sarawak).

TUAN EDMUND LANGGU ANAK SAGA (Sarawak).

TUAN AMADEUS MATHEW LEONG, A.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).

DATO' LING BENG SIEW, P.N.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN LIM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat).

TUAN PETER LO Su YIN (Sabah).

1977 27 AUGUST 1966 1978 The Honourable TUAN C. JOHN ONDU MAJAKIL (Sabah).
TUAN JOSEPH DAVID MANJAJI (Sabah).

DATO' DR HAJI MEGAT KHAS, D.P.M.P., J.P., P.J.K.

(Kuala Kangsar).

ORANG TUA MOHAMMAD DARA BIN LANGPAD (Sabah).

TUAN MOHAMED IDRIS BIN MATSIL, J.M.N., PJ.K., J.P. (Jelebu-Jempol).

TUAN MUSTAPHA BIN AHMAD (Tanah Merah).

TAN SRI N IK AHMAD KAMIL, D.K., S.P.M.K., SJ.M.K., P.M.N., P.Y.G.P., Dato' Sri Setia Raja (Kota Bahru Hilir).

TUAN ONG KEE H UI (Sarawak).

TUAN HAJI RAHMAT BIN HAJI DAUD, A.M.N.

(Johor Bahru Barat).

TUAN RAMLI BIN OMAR (Krian Darat).


TUAN SANDOM ANAK NYUAK, A.M.N.

(Sarawak).

TUAN D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh).

DATO' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM, D.P.M.P., P.M.P., J.P. (Menglembu).

TUAN SIM BOON LIANG, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN Slow LOONG H I N, P.J.K.

(Seremban Barat).

TUAN SNG CHIN JOO (Sarawak).

TUAN SULAIMAN BIN HAJI TAIB (Krian Laut).

TUAN TAJUDDIN BIN A L I, P.J.K.

(Larut Utara).

TUAN TAMA WENG TINGGANG WAN (Sarawak).

TUAN TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan).

TUAN TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka).


TUAN TAN TSAK YU (Sarawak).

TUAN TIAH ENG BEE (Kluang Utara).

TUAN T OH THEAM HOCK (Kampar).

TUAN YEH PAO TZE, A.M.N.

(Sabah).

TUAN STEPHEN YONG KUET TZE (Sarawak).

P R A Y E RS (Mr Speaker in the Chair) A N N O U N C E M E NT BY MR S P E A K ER THE CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL (Postponement of Second and Third Readings) is postponed at the request of the Honourable Member to the next sitting of the House.

I wish to find out if that is also the wish of the House.
{House indicates assent) Thank you.

O R AL A N S W E RS TO Q U E S T I O NS HUBONGAN DIPLOMAT1K ANTARA MALAYSIA DENGAN PAKISTAN Mr Speaker: Honourable Members, 1.

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah I wish to inform this House that item (Bachok) bertanya kapada Menteri No.

11, standing in the name of Mem- Luar Negeri sa-jauh mana-kah usaha2 ber for Tanjong, in the Order Paper yang telah di-jalankan bagi memuleh for today, i.e.
the Constitution Amend- sa-mula hubongan diplomatik di-antara ment Bill (Second and Third Readings) Malaysia Pakistan.

1979 27 AUGUST 1966 1980 Iran Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, sa-takat yang saya boleh cherita- kan di-sini ia-lah perhubongan antara kita dengan Pakistan belum lagi di- 'itirafkan.
Tetapi usaha Yang Maha ada-lah Mulia Baginda Shah menunjokkan bahawa baginda telah berikhtiar hendak membaharukan per hubongan baik antara kita dengan Pakistan, ia-itu perhubongan diplo matik Dan saya pun telah ma'alumkan kapada Shah Iran, bahawa bagi pehak ini, kita memang bersedia Malaysia hendak menghubongkan perhubongan diplomatik dengan Pakistan bila2 masa di-kehendaki.

Sa-takat itu-lah yang saya boleh cherita sekarang.

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan tambahan.
Dapat-kah Yang Teramat Mulia Per dana Menteri kita mencheritakan sa- takat yang boleh di-cheritakan, ia-itu sa-jauh mana kebenaran sa-orang bekas pegawai kita yang pernah kita memberi khidmat kapada-nya di-Malaysia ini— nama-nya Mohammad Ma'aruf yang menjadi Pengarah Pelabohan Port Swettenham—pernah membuat perhu bongan dengan Tunku sendiri dalam masaalah hendak memulehkan hubo- ngan Pakistan dengan Malaysia.
Tetapi, sa-hingga ini, tidak ada apa2 tindakan yang di-ambil beralaskan kapada surat itu—surat dengan kawan—pada hal yang di-maksudkan ia-lah daripada Pakistan.

Jadi, sa-jauh mana-kah ke benaran ini berlaku?

Kalau sa-kira-nya Perdana Menteri kita dapat mencherita kan. initiative sa-bagai kawan antara pada Pakistan—sa-takat kita sendiri itu, sedia menerima peng'itirafan itu bila2 masa di-kehendaki oleh Pakistan.
LANGKAH UNTOK MENG'ITIRAF NEGARA FORMOSA DAN MENG- ADAKAN HUBONGAN DIPLO MATIK DENGAN NEGERI CHINA KOMINIS 2.

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah bertanya kapada Menteri Luar Negeri tidak bahawa sama ada benar atau Kerajaan Malaysia sedang mengambil langkah2 untok meng'itiraf negara Formosa di-samping berusaha juga hendak mengadakan hubongan diplo matik dengan China Kominis.
Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, ini tidak benar bahawa kita ini hendak 'itirafkan mana satu negeri China, baik pun negeri China—Chinese Republic atau Chinese People Republic.

Chuma-nya yang kita ada perhubongan perniagaan dengan kedua2 negeri itu.

Jadi, bagi pehak kita dengan Republic ia-itu Formosa, dia ada of China, menaroh satu Consul di-sini untok meniaga dan untok mengeluarkan Visa dan sa-bagai-nya.
Dan kita ada-lah berchadang satu Consul juga di-sana, kerana banyak- lah ka- Formosa itu bukan-lah berma'ana peng'itirafan, sa-bagaimana di-maksudkan dalam soal ini.

Chuma- sahaja—per nya ada perhubongan hubongan perniagaan dan kelulusan lalu-lalang antara orang2 ini dengan orang2 di-sana.

di-sini melawat itu.

Tetapi, orang2 hendak adakan itu.


Jadi, Perdana Menteri: Yang sa-benar- terima apa2 surat nya, saya belum daripada Enche' Ma'aruf yang dahulu bekerja dengan kita tidak dapat-lah saya hendak cherita.

Chuma, yang saya tahu, perhubongan yang di- adakan dengan saya chuma Baginda Shah Iran sahaja—lain daripada itu tidak ada.
Memang-lah ada banyak kawan2 daripada Pakistan yang menun jokkan dukachita di-atas apa yang telah berlaku, dan masing2 semua-nya ber- do'a supaya dapat di-hubongkan sa- mula persahabatan sa-chara diplomatik dengan Pakistan.

Sa-takat itu sahaja- lah.

Tetapi semua-nya terpulang ka Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan tambahan.

Saya menerima kaseh di-atas jawapan itu kerana perkara yang kabor2 itu sudah jelas.
Tetapi, saya suka hendak menambah lagi soalan tambahan, ia-itu ada-kah Perdana Menteri kita atau Kerajaan kita sedar bahawa ada majal- lah2 luar negeri yang sampai di-negeri kita ini, menyiarkan bahawa Kerajaan initiative untok Malaysia membuat meng'itirafkan kedua2 buah negara itu dengan alasan, kata-nya, Malaysia perchaya kapada falsafah dual citizen ship yang di-pakai oleh negeri China— Tanah China Besar itu.
Jadi, ada-kah 1981 27 AUGUST 1966 1982 Kerajaan kita sedar bahawa siaran2 itu maju sangat dalam majallah luar yang masok ka-dalam negeri kita, dan jika ada, apa-kah tindakan yang telah di- buat terhadap-nya.

Perdana Menteri: Saya ta' berapa faham tentang mana majallah mana itu, saya ta' berapa dengar baik.

Apa kata-nya majallah itu?


Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Ada majallah2 dari luar negeri, tetapi sampai di-negeri ini mengatakan benar bahawa Malaysia ini akan meng'itiraf- kan dua buah negara China itu, ia-itu Formosa dan China Kominis.

Alasan yang di-beri-nya ia-lah, Malaysia ini perchaya kapada falsafah dual citizen ship.

Jadi, oleh kerana Malaysia ini perchaya kapada hak kera'ayatan bagi negeri China itu ada dua, maka Malay sia ini di-atas asas itu-lah hendak meng- 'itiraf kedua buah negara ini.
Jadi .

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.

Mr Speaker: Boleh-kah Ahli Yang Berhormat itu bagi chontoh majallah itu?

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, itu sebab saya tanya sa-jauh mana benda itu benar— sebab saya ta' bawa.

Kalau saya bawa saya tunjokkan pada hari ini juga.

Perdana Menteri: Kita, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tetap tidak 'itiraf mana2 satu negeri China, kerana dua2 buah di- katakan negeri China.
Jadi, melainkan mereka boleh terangkan yang mana sa- benar-nya negeri China, ta' dapat-lah kita hendak 'itirafkan.

DUTA2 MUHIBBAH 3.

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah bertanya kapada Menteri Luar Negeri bila-kah Kerajaan akan menghantar "Duta2 Muhibbah" terdiri daripada rombongan kebudayaan, pergi ka- negeri2 Timor Tengah.

Jika Kerajaan ada-kah Kerajaan akan mengirim, akan menimbang memasokkan juga ahli2 pehak Pembangkang dalam rom bongan tersebut.
Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di- soal Ahli Yang berchadang kita ter Pertua, menurut Berhormat ia-itu hendak hantar Duta2 muhibbah diri daripada rombongan kebudayaan pergi ka-negara Timor Tengah.

Jadi, soal-nya ada-kah jikalau sa-benar-nya Kerajaan hendak hantarkan.

Kerajaan akan menimbangkan, memasokkan juga ahli2 pehak Pembangkang dalam rombongan kebudayaan, ini saya tidak faham.
Kalau kita hantar kebudayaan kita tidak kira pehak Pembangkang- kah, chuma-nya ahli kebudayaan untok hendak me- nunjokkan permainan kita di-negeri luar, apa yang hendak masok Pem bangkang dalam itu pun saya tidak tahu (Ketawa).

sa-belah kita-kah, terdiri daripada Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: tambahan, oleh kerana gu- Soalan longan kebudayaan ini banyak di- Pantai Timor dan khusus-nya yang saya maksudkan ia-lah di-kawasan saya sendiri, tetapi tentu-lah orang itu orang2 semua-nya PAS.
Walau bagaimana pun, mereka itu mempunyai' kebolehan di-dalam lapangan kebudayaan ini.

Jadi, biasa- nya tidak di-beri peluang kapada orang2 itu, dan saya menjamin-lah bahawa saya boleh mengadakan orang2 yang saya boleh kemukakan.

istimewa di-dalam ini, Perdana Menteri: Saya tidak kira saya itu yang siapa yang pandai hendak hantar (Ketawa).

PAS-kah, UMNO-kah, asal pandai main untok menghiborkan hati orang2 di-Timor Tengah itu.
Tuan Wan Abdul Kadir bin Ismail (Kuala Trengganu Utara): Boleh-kah Perdana Menteri menganggap Ahli dari Bachok itu sa-orang ahli kebuda yaan?

(Ketawa).

Perdana Menteri: Menurut yang di- juga.

kata dia satu daripada pakar (Ketawa).

PLACES IN UPPER SECONDARY TECHNICAL AND VOCATIONAL SCHOOLS IN 1968 4.
Tuan C. V. Devan Nair (Bungsar) asks the Minister of Education how many school places in upper secondary technical and vocational education will be available in 1968 for the first batch of students from the comprehensive system.
1983 27 AUGUST 1966 1984 full into The Minister of Lands and Mines (Tuan Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub): Mr Speaker, Sir, there are already three secondary technical schools and four secondary trade schools in opera tion in addition to the present pro gramme of expanding and converting three of the former rural extension schools trade schools and also of providing exten sions to existing trade schools to cater for higher enrolments.
It is not pos sible, Mr Speaker, Sir, at present to state how many school places in upper secondary and vocational education will be available in 1968, but every effort is being made to provide places for students for such technical and vocational education from the beginning of 1968. secondary PEMANDU KERETA SAKIT DI-MELAKA 5.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu) ber- tanya kapada Menteri Kesihatan sama ada beliau sedar atau tidak bahawa di-Melaka, Pemandu Kereta Sakit, Rumah Sakit Umum, selalu-nya pergi sa-orang diri, dengan tidak di-serta'i oleh sa-orang jururawat atau atendan, bagi menyahut panggilan2 sakit menge- jut; jika sedar, sama ada perbuatan yang sangat merbahaya ini akan di- hentikan segera.
di-Rumah The Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health (Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman): Tuan Yang di- Pertua, Sakit Umum Melaka ada dua jenis perkhidmatan ambulance.

Satu di-gunakan untok mengambil orang2 kechemasan ber- anak, emergency maternity cases, dan lagi untok orang2 yang yang satu kechemasan yang lain2.
Untok per- kara2 kechemasan beranak sa-orang doktor dan sa-orang bidan pergi ber- sama2 dengan ambulance itu, tetapi oleh sebab kekurangan kakitangan maka perkhidmatan ambulance satu lagi itu telah beberapa kali dan tidak tudohan oleh selalu, sa-bagaimana Ahli Yang Berhormat, hanya bebe rapa kali sahaja menjalankan tugas dengan tidak ada Pembantu Rumah Sakit atau atendan, tetapi sekarang telah di-atorkan bahawa sa-orang Pem jururawat bantu Rumah Sakit atau akan pergi bersama dengan perkhid matan ambulance itu tiap2 kali.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, is the Honourable Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health in aware that what has happened Malacca—that has, I think, brought the censure of the Coroner down there— also is prevalent in other hospitals as well?

Can he also give us an assurance that tiap2 kali every other ambulance from other hospitals also will have a jururawat that he talked of?
Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-telah Kemen- terian mendapat tahu berkenaan de ngan kejadian di-Rumah Sakit Umum di-Melaka, maka tiga orang telah pun di-hantar oleh Yang Berhormat Men teri Kesihatan untok menyiasat per- kara itu.
Dan pada hari ini pehak Kementerian Kesihatan memberi ja- minan yang penoh kapada Yang Berhormat Ahli dari Batu ia-itu tidak lagi akan berlaku; dan pada tiap2 kali ambulance keluar mesti ada sa-orang pengikut-nya, atendan atau sa-orang Pembantu Rumah Sakit atau pun jururawat.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Soalan tam- bahan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, barang- kali apa yang di-katakan dalam bahasa Inggeris tidak di-faham oleh Setia-usaha Parlimen Kementerian Kesihatan.
Apa yang di-tanya oleh saya tadi ada-kah Setia-usaha Parli men sedar di-lain Rumah Sakit Umum di-seluroh, di-antara lain Rumah Sakit Umum di-seluroh Malaya, maka ada ambulance keluar dari Rumah Sakit Umum ada atendan?

Dan boleh-kah Setia-usaha Parlimen menjamin kalau sa-kira-nya ambulance keluar daripada Rumah Sakit tiap2 kali di-dalam ambulance itu ada jururawat?

tersebut yang tidak Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: I understand fully what the Honour in able Member spoke English.

The Ministry is not aware.


just now Dr Tan Chee Khoon: It looks to me that the Ministry is unaware of lots of they are sins of omissions until brought up to the coroner's court.

1985 27 AUGUST 1966 1986 SAMBUTAN DOKTOR2 PEREBET TERHADAP SEKIM KERAJAAN MENGADAKAN PERKHIDMATAN SAMBILAN 6.

Tuan C. V. Devan Nair bertanya kapada Menteri Kesihatan bagaimana- kah sambutan doktor2 perebet terhadap sekim Kerajaan mengadakan perkhid- matan sambilan sejak di-mulakan sekim itu pada lhb Julai, 1966.
Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sambutan dari- pada doktor2 perebet terhadap sekim Kerajaan ini ada-lah tidak memuaskan oleh sebab daripada 864 orang doktor2 perebet yang berdaftar chuma 13 orang sahaja menawarkan diri.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, is the Honourable Parliamentary to the Minister of Health Secretary aware that perhaps the poor response from 800 over doctors that the Honour able Parliamentary Secretary mentioned is due to the inflexibility of the scheme?
For example, there are lots of private practitioners who are well versed in certain specialities, and they may well want to contribute to this part-time scheme.

But to ask a chap who is doing private practice in ear, nose and throat, for example, to go and do out-patient work, is a wanton waste of time both to the private practitioner and to the Government.
If the scheme were made a little more flexible, where we can use the skills of these chaps—many of them have long years of service in surgery, in opthalmalogy, in obstetrics and gyna- cology, Government can these resources, these talents, if they make the scheme a little less flexible.
tap tetapi ada Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Kerajaan akan juga banyak berikhtiar, doktor2 perebet yang meminta supaya berkhidmat di-masa luar pekerjaan ia- lepas daripada pukul empat sa- itu tengah pehak Kementerian sangat-lah perlu supaya doktor2 perebet itu bekerja waktu pagi ia-itu di-antara pukul 8 sampai pukul 11 kerana masa itu-lah banyak orang2 sakit yang datang ka-rumah2 Jadi, pehak Ke menterian tidak menerima oleh sebab tetapi sakit.
lepas 4.30 tidak payah-lah ada per- daripada atau tolongan doktor2 perebet.

bantuan Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Is the Honour able Parliamentary Secretary aware— perhaps, I think the Ministry is not aware of all these things—that there is a grave need for doctors in the Out patient Department between the hours of 4 o'clock when the Outpatient Department closes at 7 o'clock?
This is a fact—I see the Minister of Health shaking his head—and I do know this because when I send cases for admis sion to the hospital, they have to wait two to three hours before the cases can be attended to by the doctor.

I do know this, I am a practitioner in Kuala Lumpur, and I can speak from expe rience, Mr Speaker, Sir.
I think this is so throughout the country that after 4 o'clock in the evening and perhaps until as late as 7 or 8 p.m., sometimes there are no doctors in the hospitals to look after emergency cases that are sent there.

Consequently, there is a need for assistance of private practitioners at such hours.

If so, if the scheme were made a little more flexible, the Govern ment will be to cases landing up in Coroner's Court.
less subject Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apa yang di- katakan oleh Yang Berhormat daripada Batu itu tidak-lah benar.

Sa-kira-nya doktor2 perebet itu berkhidmat masa pekerjaan ia-itu hingga pukul 4.30 maka tidak-lah ada orang2 yang sakit yang menunggu sa-lepas 4.30.
Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Soalan tambahan, dapat-kah pehak Kerajaan kita mencheritakan sa-jauh mana kebenaran tudohan2 yang menga- salah satu daripada takan bahawa sebab-nya kekurangan doktor2 berkhid mat dengan Kerajaan dengan penoh dan juga dengan yang sa-paroh masa ini ia-lah oleh kerana Parti Perikatan sendiri menjalankan recruiting doktor2 itu di-dalam Parti.

Maka orang itu tidak dapat berkhidmat.

Sa-jauh mana ke benaran dalam tudohan itu?


Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Tidak, Tuan Yang di-Pertua (Ketawa), 1987 27 AUGUST 1966 1988 Dr Mahathir bin Mohamad (Kota Star Selatan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya ingin tahu kalau-lah sa-lepas satu masa yang patut scheme yang di-buat oleh Kerajaan ini tidak menarek soko- ngan daripada doktor2 private, boleh- kah saya tahu ada-kah Kerajaan akan mengkaji sa-mula sharat2 yang di-letak dalam scheme ini.
Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pehak Kemen- terian Kesihatan maseh lagi menunggu pandangan dan pendapat daripada doktor2 private untok mengatasi masa- alah2 ini.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, perhaps, before I ask a supplemen tary question, I wish to make it quite clear that in my practice, there is one obstetrician and gynaecologist, who will be very willing to help out in this scheme, if given a chance to do so.
But he is an obstetrician and gynaecologist, and it is a wanton waste of his talents and time to ask to do outpatient work.

Mr Speaker, Sir, just now, the Parlia mentary Secretary mentioned that the hours of between 12 noon and 2 p.m. are the times that most private practi tioners wanted to work and that the Government has found it not available.
Sir, at least I can speak from experience in the General Hospital, Kuala Lum pur, that during such hours, there is also a big crowd of patients waiting to be the paltry number of treated and Government doctors that are in atten dance there, or that are intended at attendance there, is not enough to cope with the patients there.
If so, will he not make this scheme a little more flexible, so that if doctors go there between the hours of twelve and two, perhaps the Government doctors can have the much needed rest during these hours?

Tan Sri Syed Ja'a£ar bin Hasan is Albar (Johor Tenggara): Sir, he making a speech!
Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya telah me- ngatakan dan saya perchaya Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Batu itu sedar sa-kira-nya banyak doktor2 private itu tenaga daripada pukul menumpukan jam, maka dapat-lah 9 pagi, dua doktor2 private ini melihat banyak orang2 sakit.

Jadi tak payah-lah orang2 sakit itu menunggu sa-hingga pukul 2 atau 12 kerana pada hari ini Ahli2 dalam Dewan ini sedar ia-itu sa-orang orang sakit terpaksa menunggu dua atau tiga jam.
THE RUBBER REPLANTING FUND—SIPHONING OF FUNDS TO HELP FINANCE F.L.D.A.

SCHEMES 7.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Commerce and Industry if it is true that money from the Rubber Replanting Fund has been siphoned off to help finance F.L.D.A.

Schemes, and if so, to state: (a) how much has been spent on F.L.D.A.
Schemes from the Rub ber Replanting Fund; (b) whether the money is recoverable; (c) whether this is the reason for the decision to restrict replanting by rubber holders to 45,000 acres a year beginning 1967.

The Minister of Commerce and Industry (Dr Lim Swee Ann): Mr Speaker, Sir, the Rubber Industry Re planting Fund was established in 1952 and it empowers the Government to collect cess on exports of rubber for replanting.
Money due from small holders, i.e., those who own rubber land of less than 100 acres, has been paid into Fund "B".

No money so collected and paid into the Fund " B" has been spent on F.L.D.A.

schemes.

industry the whole rubber Honourable Members also know that Government has given two grants to assist to replant and new-plant.

Out of the first grant (which was given in 1955), $112 million was set aside for assisting small holders to replant and new-plant.
Under the Rubber Industry Smallholders New- Planting Scheme, 1957, gazetted as L.N.

9 of 1958, a sum of $30 out of for the $112 million was allocated new-planting at the rate of $400 per acre.

Each State Government was given an allocation on a certain formula by scheme was the Board when the in 1958.

Various brought into effect 1989 27 AUGUST 1966 1990 appointed State Governments the F.L.D.A.

to supervise the new-planting of eighteen schemes, and the sum of $11,143,986 was spent on these schemes.
As these moneys are from the Govern ment grant, they are not recoverable.

from increase acres, beginning Sir, the reason for deciding to restrict replanting rubber for smallholders to 45,000 1st January next year, is because of the sudden the demand for in replanting in the last few years.

In 1953 the replanting rate of smallholdings was only 27,612 acres, and this steadily increased till in last 1965 when the amount replanted was 112,343 acres.
As a result of this replanting 47.3% of the total acreage of smallholdings as on 1952 have now been replanted.

Now, if there was no restriction on the rate of replanting for smallholders, then the funds, total amount of Government $84 million from the second grant plus the balance of the first grant of $3 million, together with the cess collected every year, which averages about $37 million, would not be able to finance the replanting at the rate of 120,000 acres per year.
Therefore, it was neces sary to revise the financing, so that if we limited it to 45,000 acres a year as from 1967, it would be possible to finance it almost on an indefinite basis.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, in my question, I hope the Minis ter will have noticed it, I did not refer either to Fund "A" or Fund "B".

The Minister has concentrated mainly on Fund "B".

Can he enlighten this House whether the cess collected for Fund to F.L.D.A.

"A" has been diverted schemes?

Dr Lim Swee Aim: No, Sir.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, is it true that some of the funds from Fund "B" have been diverted to replanting in Sarawak?

Dr Lim Swee Ann: No.

CENTRALISATION OF KUALA LUMPUR'S HAWKERS BY THE PESUROHAN JAYA IBU KOTA 8.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing to give details of the Scheme drawn up by the Pesurohan Jaya Ibu to centralise Kuala Lumpur's Kota illegal hawkers—Hong Kong style.
involve The Minister for Local Government and Housing (Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh): Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not know what the Honourable Member meant by "Hong Kong style".

Probably, he was referring to certain proposals made by the Federal Commissioner with regard to control of hawkers, which were referred to in newspaper reports some time in the middle of July.
Certain proposals have, in fact, been submitted to my Ministry for consideration and financial as such proposals implications, apart from a section of it, which I have already previously stated in this House a few days ago, the remaining part of the proposals is still under consideration by my Ministry.

The Federal Commissioner is planning to construct two Hawkers Emporia at Jalan Sekolah and Jalan Haji Hussein as Pilot Projects at an estimated cost these of $1,280,000.
The object of projects is to accommodate as many hawkers as possible who are causing obstructions in congested areas.

If these projects prove successful, the Federal Commissioner will consider the cons truction of more such Emporia in the Federal Capital.

I have already stated in the House the public must be protected against illegal hawkers for various reasons too well known the Honourable Member.

But, as I said earlier, the remaining part of is still under consideration by my Ministry.
I am not in a position to say whether we are in fact going to implement the remaining part of the proposal until this question of Emporia is first settled, because we must first find ways and means to accommodate the hawkers before we can decide on what other action to be taken.

that members of the proposal to Tuan Tan Toh Hong (Bukit Bintang): Will the Honourable Minis the ter kindly confirm scheme the is legitimate opportunities of the hawkers to trade and to seek a livelihood will not be suppressed?
that, whether implemented or not, rights and 1991 27 AUGUST 1966 1992 to the is any question of Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Sir, I do not know whether the Honourable Mem legitimate ber was referring rights and opportunities of the licensed hawkers or to the illegal hawkers.
If he is referring to the licensed hawkers, I think, as far as I know, the licensed hawkers have been duly protected and have been allowed to trade as they are entitled to; but, as far as the illegal hawkers are concerned, I do not think there legitimate rights—they have no rights at all.
I mean the they merely operate by tolerance of the Federal Commissioner and, as I said, the Government has tried its best or, in fact, the Federal Commissioner has tried his best, to accommodate these illegal hawkers, as it is also a social problem, and for that reason the Federal Commissioner has put up this proposal to construct to accommodate such haw emporia kers, and in fact in other markets too the Federal Commissioner too has tried his best to accommodate such illegal hawkers.
I must categorically say here that there is no question of any legitimate rights and opportunities of they the illegal hawkers because have no rights at all.
the question Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, when I asked to centralise Kuala Lumpur's illegal haw kers "Hong Kong style", I was hoping that the Minister would give us a clarification of what is "Hong Kong style" because, as he pointed out, these were words used by the Commissioner of the Federal Capital, taken from the newspaper I merely cuttings.

Sir, wanted to seek an elucidation.

I did not coin It was his Commissioner.

Who coined it?
Who coined it?

This House, I am sure, will be very grateful if the Minister can give us a clarifica tion on this "Hong Kong style" of trading.

these words.

Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I think the Honourable Member must be referring to this news report, a cutting of which I have here.

No where can I find any mention of the Federal Commissioner going to adopt anything style".

He visited Hong Kong and then after that "Hong Kong he submitted certain proposals.
If any thing at all, it will be one of "K. L. style", and not "Hong Kong style".

think to the Minister Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, I Sir, I can produce cuttings, but it unfortunately did not that in question.

I can produce would be those cuttings later.

The question I wish to ask is this.

He talked about the two emporia that are to be built, will be built, or are being built, at Jalan Sekolah and Jalan Haji Hussein.

Can he give us a little more two schemes?


clarification of these For example, when will two these schemes be completed, how many hawkers will each scheme accommo date, and from where will these haw kers be drawn to each particular scheme.

is a involves the construction of Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, the Sir, what has been asked by Honourable Member separate question but, nevertheless, as I have some of the details here, I will cer tainly answer the question.
In fact, I have already answered part of the the Honourable Mem question—and ber would have known if he had remained in this House long enough— I think that was about two days ago.

It two emporia, one at Jalan Sekolah and one at the Jalan Haji Hussein.

The one at Jalan Sekolah will have altogether eight tiers, and I have the details here.
The size of the building—four storeys with roof garden; ground floor will be used for a bus terminal for 24 to 30 buses; first floor, first tier, will have floor, space second for 40 cars; second floor, third tier, parking for 48 cars; second floor, fourth tier, space for 48 hawkers; third floor fifth tier, space for 12 eating stalls; third floor, sixth tier, space for 14 eating stalls; roof garden, seventh tier, space for twelve eating stalls; roof garden, eight tier, 14 eating cost $900,000.
for 40 hawkers; tier, parking stalls.

Total first Then for the hawker emporium at Jalan Haji Hussein, the height of the building is three storeys.

Basement— parking 45 cars; ground floor—space 1993 27 AUGUST 1966 1994 for 90 stalls, first floor—space for 56 stalls; second floor—space for 56 stalls.

Estimated cost $380,000.


I must stress that these are pro posals, with the exception of one for which tender has been called; the plan for the other one is under finalisation; and of course the allocation of space for all these stalls is subject to further alterations, if necessary, because there is the matter of whether certain floors are suitable for such purposes.

The scheme is still under consideration by the Ministry.

SHORTAGE OF TECHNICAL INSTRUCTORS AT THE CENTRAL APPRENTICESHIP BOARD 9.
Dr Lim Chong Eu (Tanjong) under Standing Order 24 (2) asks the Minister of Labour if it is true that the reason for the shortage of technical instructors at the Central Apprentice ship Board is because of the unattrac tive salary scales; if so, what steps the Minister proposes to take to remedy the situation.
instructors in The Minister of Labour (Tuan V. Manickavasagam): Mr Speaker, Sir, there is a general shortage of suitable technically trained the country and the problem is not one the Central Apprenticeship affecting Board alone.

The Salary Scales in themselves are not therefore respon sible for the shortage of instructors in the apprenticeship scheme.
My Minis try is now working out, in conjunction with the other Ministries concerned, a "Crash Programme" for the training of instructors with United Nations assistance.

The salary scales are also being studied to ensure that once these instructors are they can be trained retained by the Government.

(Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair) ADJOURNMENT SINE DIE (Motion) Tuan V. Manickavasagam: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That at its rising today the House shall stand adjourned sine die.

BILLS THE TIN INDUSTRY (RESEARCH FUND DEVELOPMENT) AND (AMENDMENT) BILL Dr Lim Swee Aun: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Tin Industry (Research and Development) Fund Ordinance, 1953" be now read a second time.

This Ordinance provides the establishment of the Tin Research and Development Fund, into which are paid the proceeds of cess collected on tin exports.
for The Fund is administered by a statutory body called the Tin Industry (Research and Development) Board which consists of six members nomi nated by recognised associations of the three Government tin officials.

industry and to tin and also The Fund is used to meet expendi ture on research, development and publicity to stimulate the consumption to popularise and of extend the uses of tin.
It also provides for Malaysia's contribution the International Tin Research Institute, which is financed by major producers of tin, and those work is to conduct research in uses of tin and to extend technical advisory services to tin users.
The Institute, with branches in eight main consuming countries, has been successful in conducting research pro jects designed to develop new uses of tin, improve existing tin products and the processes by which they are made, and to regain the field that has been lost to substitutes.

The Minister of Finance (Tuan Tan Siew Sin): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move: That at its rising today the House shall stand adjourned sine die.
The Fund also finances the Malayan Tin Bureau in Washington, which per forms an important function of keep ing in touch with tin consumers in the United States and dissemination of 1995 27 AUGUST 1966 1996 the local information and maintaining interest in the uses of Malayan tin and enabl ing to be kept industry informed of developments in America, both industrial and political, which may have a bearing on future demand for our metal.
in that three it would be The Ordinance, when first enforced, provided in force until 31st December, 1957 and may be extended for further periods by resolu tion of the Dewan Ra'ayat.

Since its coming into force in 1953, the Ordin ance has been extended times and will now expire on 31st Decem ber, 1966.
In view of the continuing the nature of research activities field of utilisation and to popularise and extend the uses of tin and considering the vital importance of research, technical advisory service, and publicity for tin, the provision for periodic extension of legislation would seem to be an unsatisfactory arrangement.
It is, therefore, proposed that the Tin Industry Research and Development Ordinance, 1953 be suit ably amended by repealing the present Section 14, so that the Ordinance will operate continuously without having to require periodic extension.

the need the The Tin Industry Reseach this proposal and and Development Board has been con sulted on it has unanimously agreed that the Ordinance be suitably amended the need for periodic extension.
A new section 14 has been included to deal with power of to make rules, subject to the approval of the Minister.

to remove the Board The Bill also seeks to amend Section 2 of the Tin Industry Research and Development Fund Ordinance, 1953 by substituting, for the existing definition of "Minister" a new definition so as to place the administration of the Ordin ance under the appropriate authority.

Sir, I beg tc move.

Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee, (Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 3 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.
THE RUBBER INDUSTRY (REPLANTING) FUND (AMEND MENT) BILL Second Reading Dr Lim Swee Aim: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Rubber Industry (Replanting) Fund Ordinance, 1952" be now read a second time.

The Bill seeks several amendments to the provisions of the Rubber (Replanting) Fund Industry Ordinance, 1952. to affect The purposes of these amendments are clearly set out in the Explanatory Statement to the Bill.
I, therefore, beg to move that the Bill be now read a second time.

Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

like the whole, I would Tuan Tai Kuan Yang (Kulim-Bandar Bharu): Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like to make a few comments on this Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Rubber Industry (Replanting) Fund Ordinance, 1952."

On to support the Bill which.

I think, will give further improvement to the plant ing small holders.
We realise how important a part the smallholders are playing in the development and progress of Malaysia.

They contribute substantial improvement to our economy and for this reason, because of their lack of to replant, any subsidy and capital help by the Government will be a very good gesture.

industry, especially the According to my information, only 46% of all the smallholdings in rubber have been replanted over the years, 1997 27 AUGUST 1966 1998 the replanting since scheme was launched.
Mr Speaker, Sir, although this is a satisfactory and progressive thing, it is not altogether a very bright and happy picture.

What we must try to achieve is to ensure that 100% of the smallholdings in this country are replanted.

This will help in the long run to generate greater economic acti vities in the rural area.

The people will have more money to spend and they purchase whatever requirements need.
It is not true that smallholders do not wish to replant, but it is a question of how soon and how much assistance the Government.

they can get from These people deserve the attention and help of the Government.

Mr Speaker, Sir, it is my hope that the Government will NOT stop short of doing a great service to the people of this country, especially this section of the population.

What they are able to produce and produce more will this certainly be a great country.
thing for like extend I would to congratulate the Honourable Minister of Commerce and for allowing himself some Industry replanting the to powers scheme as he thought fit.

This indeed is a flexible thing and knowing the Honourable Minister by his perfor mance, in this House and outside, we can all expect him to do the needful for the smallholders.

It is a sensible and a approach delicate but vitally important scheme.
As we all know, the Honourable Minister is a man of action and in words, and we can all expect him to do justice to all.

towards logical for many years Lastly, it is my earnest desire that the replanting scheme will be con tinued come especially for the smallholdings.

To neglect the smallholders will be a very grievous mistake, and the Honourable Minister will steer clear of the danger.

Thank you, Mr Speaker, Sir.


I know to Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad (Muar Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun mengalu2kan Undang2 Kum- pulan Wang Menanam Getah sa- Mula ini.

Rang Undang2 ini ada-lah sangat di-tunggu2 oleh peladang2 getah dalam negeri kita, terutama sa-kali pekebun2 kechil.

Dengan di-luluskan pindaan ini maka bertukar-lah kegem- biraan dan menambahkan ekonomi bagi negara kita ini.
Saya chuma hendak menyentoh satu perkara sahaja, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ia-itu pada usaha menaikkan taraf pengeluaran getah pekebun2 kechil kita yang menjadikan rendah harga getah kita ia-lah berpuncha dari getah yang di-keluarkan oleh pekebun2 kechil itu sangat kurang mutu-nya.

Ada hingga menyebabkan mutu pasaran getah— harga getah kita—di-antara bangsa2 menjadi rendah, malah mendatangkan pula kerugian kapada pekebun2 kechil.
Mereka di-permain2kan oleh pembeli2 tempatan bukan sahaja dengan harga yang murah tetapi di-tolak susut ayer pada getah2 pekebun2 kechil ini.

Walau usaha ini sedang di-jalankan oleh Kementerian ini untok mengatasi perkara yang tersebut, tetapi menurut hemat saya, tidak memadai dan tidak meliputi.

Usaha ini padai permulaan- nya di-usahakan oleh MARA dengan mengadakan Pusat Membeku Getah atau memprocess getah chara bera- mai2.
10% daripada modal process itu di-minta daripada pekebun2 kechil yang ini di-ongkosi oleh MARA.

Dengan ada-nya wang ini di-minta daripada MARA, be- berapa kesulitan di-dapati, kadang2 project2 kechil ini lambat dapat di- laksanakan.

itu wang lain Menurut hemat saya tidak menasa- bah ranchangan ini di-kelolakan oleh MARA sebab MARA ada satu tugas yang maha hebat, lain, tugas yang berhubong dengan membangunkan ekonomi bumiputra.
Jadi oleh itu saya nampak bahawa memprocess getah ini hendak-lah Lembaga Menanam Getah sa-Mula ini mengambil aleh daripada MARA dan tiap2 pekebun kechil sa- ramai 20 orang, supaya Lembaga ini mengadakan process itu dengan mem- pekebun2 buat kechil.

Dua2 project yang saya sebut- kan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, menurut apa yang oleh pekebun2 hanya menelan saya di-fahamkan kechil, asap bagi rumah 1999 27 AUGUST 1966 2000 lebeh kurang.
belanja S3,000 Jadi dengan ada-nya process getah, dengan ada-nya ramah asap pekebun2 kechil yang di-kelolai, yang di-keluarkan oleh Lembaga getah pekebun2 kechil itu akan baik pada negeri dan pada pasaran dunia.

ini, maka mutu Sekian sahaja, Dato' Yang di- Pertua, terima kaseh.

ini Tuan Mohd.

Zahir bin Ismail (Sungai Petani): Yang Berhormat Tuan saya mengalu2kan Yang di-Pertua, Rang Undang2 ini terutama-nya pin- telah pun di-chadangkan daan yang kapada Sekshen 10.
Pada fahaman ia-lah akan saya, Sekshen 10 menolong kapada pekebun2 yang di- bawah daripada 100 ekar, dan tanah2 yang di-bawah daripada 100 ekar ini dahulu-nya telah pun menjadi atau pun tanah2 yang di-keliling-nya itu di- kumpulkan di-bawah satu estate yang pun besar di-pechah2kan dan itu sa-lepas daripada yang maka lebeh daripada 100 ekar tadi yang dahulu-nya telah pun mendapat per- ''A" maka tolongan daripada Fund tanah2 yang sekarang telah di- kechiPkan yang di-bawah daripada 100 ekar akan mendapat pertolongan terus di-bawah Fund " B" pula.
ini telah (fragmentation) fragmentation estate estate besar yang dan ini sadikit Tetapi dalam perkara ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka-lah hendak bertanya satu benda yang menjadi keraguan kapada saya ia-itu sa-tengah2 pekebun2 besar ini yang mendapat pertolongan daripada Fund "A" telah pun menanam sa-bahagian daripada tanah2-nya, kata-lah sa-tahun atau dua tahun dengan pokok2 getah, kemudian di-jual-nya tanah-nya yang itu dan orang2 yang membeli besar fragmentation.
telah pun membuat Kemudian mengikut undang2 yang dahulu, maka pekebun getah yang besar—estate yang besar itu—boleh me- mindahkan Fund "A"-nya itu kapada tempat lain.
Jika sa-kira-nya demikian, jika sa-kira-nya orang2 yang maka membeli tanah2 yang kechil2 di-dalam tanah yang dahulu-nya itu di-pechah2- kan dan apabila dia membeli tanah dalam 10 ekar atau 15 ekar dan sa- telah pun di-tanam sa-tahun atau dua tahun atau pun belum di-tanam lagi, oleh sebab wang yang telah di-untok- kan kapada estate itu di-bawah Fund telah pun di-pindahkan ka-lain "A" tidak-lah boleh orang2 estate, maka yang membeli tanah2 yang telah pun di-pechah2kan per tolongan untok hendak menanam sa- mula.
Ini saya rasa saya minta-lah pehak Kementerian memberitahu ada- kah dengan ada-nya pindaan ini maka wang yang di-hadkan di-bawah Fund "A" kapada estate yang dahulu itu boleh di-pindahkan ka-lain2 estate.

ini mendapat saya Tuan Sulaiman bin Ali (Dungun): juga Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mengalu2kan Rang Undang2 yang di- hadapan kita ini dan saya memberikan sokongan saya yang penoh tetapi saya juga suka menyentoh satu dua perkara replanting.
Saya berhubong dengan tahu dan saya faham bahawa sanya pehak Kerajaan kita, pehak Lembaga, telah membuat ketetapan ia-itu hanya sa-kadar 45,000 ekar akan di-untokkan supaya di-tanam semula dalam tahun ini dan tahun hadapan.

Jadi saya satu bilangan yang rasa, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, dengan bilangan 45,000 ekar bagi seluroh Tanah Melayu dengan tidak di-tentukan quota2 bagi tiap2 buah negeri, saya perchaya barangkali akan menghampakan keadaan ini pekebun2 kechil dalam tiap2 negeri.
Kerana bilangan 45,000 ekar ini ada- lah terlampau kechil kalau di-bandingkan dengan pekebun2 kechil yang ada di-dalam seluroh Tanah Melayu kita.

Dan dengan chara ini juga barangkali, boleh jadi, pehak Pejabat Tanam Sa-mula di- tiap2 negeri akan berlumba2 menchari atau merebut peluang supaya pekebun2 kechil dalam masing2 negeri membuat permohonan untok bantuan tanam sa- ini boleh mula.
Dengan perlumbaan jadi untok bantuan tanam sa-mula dalam negeri2 ini akan melebehi bilangan 45 ribu ekar yang di-hadkan itu.

Maka ini akan menimbulkan satu kesulitan, saya rasa, dan juga satu kerumitan bagi pehak Lembaga untok menentu atau menapis mana-kah permohonan2 yang patut di- beri dan mana permohonan2 yang patut di-tolak manakala bilangan itu lebeh.
permohonan2 bilangan 2001 27 AUGUST 1966 2002 kesulitan Pada pendapat saya sendiri, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-chara quota ini juga barangkali akan menimbulkan satu kesulitan lagi.
Kalau pun pehak Kementerian atau pehak Lembaga mengadakan quota, ini pun juga akan menimbulkan dan satu boleh menggalakkan barangkali per- mainan2 rasuah, permainan2 churang barangkali, permainan sunglap, dengan sebab kalau ada pemohon2 barangkali yang lebeh daripada, 45 ribu ekar yang di-hadkan, maka ini boleh menggalak kan pehak pegawai2 yang berkenaan barangkali akan memberi pileh kaseh, dan sa-bagai lagi untok menghadkan supaya tidak lebeh daripada bilangan itu.
tanah2 dalam Jadi, pada pendapat saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, untok mengelakkan segala kesulitan ini patut dan mus- tahak benar pehak Kementerian dan pehak Lembaga mengadakan satu pendaftaran terlebeh dahulu—mem- buat pendaftaran berapa-kah bilangan, tiap2 berapa ekar-kah sudah di-tanam buah negeri yang dengan chara bantuan tanam sa-mula, dan berapa-kah lagi tanah2 yang ada yang patut mendapat bantuan tana- man sa-mula.
Maka dengan chara ada pendaftaran saperti ini dapat-lah pehak atau pehak Lembaga Kementerian mengadakan quota berasaskan kapada bilangan2 yang berhak dalam tiap2 negeri.

Perkara yang kedua menurut faham saya dan pendapat saya, Ranchangan Menanam Sa-mula ini ada mem- punyai dua tujuan yang terbesar.

Satu ia-lah kerana meninggi tujuan-nya ekonomi negara.

atau menegapkan Yang kedua, kerana meninggikan taraf pekebun2 hidup khas-nya ra'ayat2 kita di-luar bandar.
kechil Kapada orang2 kampong atau ka pada pekebun2 kechil soal meninggi kan ekonomi negara itu tidak timbuL tidak berbangkit.

Tetapi soal mening gikan taraf hidup mereka itu-lah yang mereka pandang lebeh hampir kapada mereka.
Dan dengan sebab keselurohan pekebun2 kechil, pekebun2 getah ini berada dalam kawasan di-luar bandar, maka saya rasa pehak Kementerian atau pehak Lembaga sa-patut-nya memberi lebeh mulia, ini yang dan peratoran keutamaan dari segi meninggikan taraf ra'ayat di-kampong2 dengan hidup chara tanaman sa-mula bukan kerana ekonomi negara, dan dengan sebab itu chara dan atoran yang lebeh bersesuai, chara lebeh berkesan, saya rasa penanaman sa- mula ini patut di-arah atau pun di- bawah pengawasan Kementerian Pem- bangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar, dengan sebab kebun2 getah itu banyak merupakan dalam kawasan luar ban dar.
Jadi saya rasa, kalau boleh saya suka juga-lah mengshorkan kapada pehak Kerajaan kita supaya Lembaga Tanam Sa-mula ini dapat di-pindah- kan daripada di-bawah Kementerian Perusahaan dan Perdagangan kapada Kementerian Pembangunan Negara dan Luar bandar.

this like replanting Dr Lim Swee Aun: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Member for Kulim Bandar Bahru has expressed the hope that 100 per cent of all smallholdings will be replanted and that the speed could be increased, if we could give greater assistance.
Sir, it is also the Government's intention that we should aim at 100 per cent replanting of all smallholdings, but I would to bring to the attention of the House scheme that, when started in 1953, the grants given in instalments over a period of five years totalled $400 per acre for every smallholding.

This did not get much response.


So, in 1956 the amount was increased to $500 per acre, in 1960 to $600 per acre, and in 1962 to $750 per acre, with an addition of $50, making it $800 per acre for those who own less than five acres.
As a result of this increased subsidy, there has been this tremendous response, so much so that, if there is no proper control as I said just now, the Government's grant of $84 million (second grant) plus the cess of about $37 million per year, would not be sufficient to pay for the total planting per annum beyond 45,000 acres per annum.

We certainly would like to see this replanting go on as a continuing process and hence the necessity to limit it to 45,000 acres.
I am very grateful to the Honourable Member for Muar Utara who, per haps, is the first M.P.
in this House, 2003 27 AUGUST 1966 2004 the work done who has suggested that certain respon sibility from another Ministry should be transferred to mine, whereas it has been the general tone here that many in my Ministry of should be to somebody else's—as suggested by the Honour able Member for Dungun, the replan ting of rubber should be taken out from my Ministry and put in the hands of the Ministry of National and Rural Development transferred Dr Tan Chee Khoon: On a point of clarification, Mr Speaker, Sir, is the Honourable Minister afraid that, if all the work in his Ministry is transferred to other Ministries, he will be done out of a job?
(Laughter).

It to him Dr Lim Swee Aun: is not necessarily that, Sir.

I am, therefore, grateful (the Honourable Member for Muar Utara).

He has suggested that we should improve the standard of production of rubber from smallholders, as under MARA, when group processing and factories were done on a co-operative basis, it was not actually successful.

Sir, I would like to report to the House that the R.R.I.
has now taken over this aspect of improving the production of small its Small holders' Estate Advisory Service.

It has taken over quite a number of these factories, which once were run under MARA, and I am glad the standard of production has improved and themselves are now factories making profits.

to report through rubber that Sir, the Board Members the Honourable Member for Sungai Patani wanted to know about section 10 and its amendment.
Now, the purpose of amending section 10 is because in Fund " B" have been very concerned over the definition of Fund "B".

Under the old definition, the Board cannot legally exclude owners of land totalling 100 acres and above from participation in Fund "B", where as it was not the intention to participate in Fund "B".

Hence, it is necessary to make the definition more specific, but I can assure the Honour able Members here that owners of estates over 100 acres have not been included in Fund "B".
to permit such owners the bought smaller Sir, on this question of the subdivi sion of larger estates and people, who estates, have joining Fund "B", before they can join Fund "B", they have to refund or they do not get that portion of Fund "A" subsidies that have already been paid to the estates—there is a deduc tion.
As Fund "A" and Fund " B" are two separate Boards, funds from one are not transferable to the other, so that it means that, although there is subdivision of a larger estate, subse quently, the buyer of a small portion of the estate, although entitled to join Fund " B" cannot have the advantages of both Fund "A" and Fund "B"; to join Fund " B" he would have to give up or refund what has been taken out of Fund "A".
The Honourable Member for Dungun has suggested that the restric tion on replanting in future would create problem and chaos; and he has, therefore, suggested that there should be registration of estate owners.

Sir, that is exactly what we have anticipated and this Bill includes provisions and gives us power to have registration of not only Fund " B" but also Fund "A" members.
I can assure this House that Fund " B" Replanting Board has looked into this question of restriction, and it has worked out a scheme called Scheme No.
4, where there will be a system of priorities and guidelines as for to how replanting under Fund " B" and all estates of all smallholders who own land under five acres with original titles, not sub-divided titles, would get top priority, the idea being to give the smallmen every assistance and the higher priority, whereas members who join Fund " B" as a result of sub division, although they are entitled to join Fund "B", would have a lower priority than the others.

Thank you, Sir.
Thank you, Sir.

to approve applications Question put and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

2005 27 AUGUST 1966 2006 (Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair) Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.
THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT (AMENDMENT) ELECTIONS (No.

2) BILL Second Reading Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Local Govern ment Elections Act, 1960", be now read a second time.
that notwithstanding Sir, the Bill is a simple and straight forward one and seeks to provide in the Local Government Elections Act, 1960, that the Municipal Affairs of a Municipality shall be administered by a Council pursuant to section (3) (1) of the Act, the States may provide in the Muni cipal Ordinance for the transfer of any of the functions of the Council to any person, officer or authority for such period as the State Authority may deem necessary or desirable in the public is necessary because, the Municipal Ordinance has a provision which provides for the administration of municipal affairs by an Authority other than a Council, this is made void by virtue of Article 75 of the Malaysian Constitution, which states that where there is a conflict between a Federal Law and a State Law, the Federal law—in this case the Local Government Elections Act—prevails.
This Bill seeks primarily to effect an amendment to that Act to remove this irregularity.

interest.

This although Following the power of the Legis lature of the State to provide for the administration of a municipality to any other person, officer or authority for such period as may be deemed necessary in the public interest, there should also be power for the Legislature of a State to suspend the Constitution or any provisions thereof of the Muni cipality.
Thus, the opportunity is also being taken to provide for the suspen sion of Constitution of a Municipality during the period the Municipality is administered by an Authority other than a Council.

It will be noted that the commence ment of this Bill shall take effect from 26th of January, 1961, being the date of the commencement of section 398A of the Municipal Ordinance, which provides that the State Authority may to carry out require certain instructions.
the Council I might also add that as required under Article 95A of the Malaysian Constitution, the Bill has been agreed to by the National Council for Local Government at a meeting held recently.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move.

Dr Lim Swee Aim: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, the amendment that the Minister for Local Government and Housing seeks to make is not as simple and straightforward as he would like this House to believe.
the sins of omission It is designed with the sole purpose of hiding a whole heap of sins of omission, and it is designed primarily to cover in connection with the takeover by a certain State of the functions of a certain Local Council.

Mr Speaker, Sir, as such, it is a travesty of justice, particularly when the action of the takeover is now the subject of Court proceedings.

Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Sir, is the that Honourable Member suggesting the matter is sub judice?
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: No, I am not saying that it is sub judice, but that it is designed primarily for these two functions.

May I also say, Mr Speaker, Sir, since the Minister has asked me about that case, that what happened in that enquiry has been, as Shakespeare would have put it, "much ado about nothing."
Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Speaker, Sir, this Bill, which is a complete amend ment to an Act on Local Government 2007 27 AUGUST 1966 2008 Elections, is a complete travesty of meaning, because the Bill we are asked to debate in actual fact does away with all the provisions that anybody under stands by elections.

Quite apart from that, Sir, I am rising not to debate the merits of the Bill, but to strongly object to Clause 1 of the Bill, because this retrospective application of the Bill is pernicious.
And I the under circumstances, the Honourable wonder whether Minister would consider withdrawing the Bill, because of the obnoxious implications of a retrospective Bill.

Otherwise, Sir, I shall have to speak on behalf of the Members of the P.P.P., the the Members of Members of the Members of the Labour Party, some of whom, because of the peculiar procedure of Standing Orders and Orders of the Day, have had to go back early this evening and late last night.
the D.A.P., the S.U.P.P., and (Member Sir, we the undersigned Members of this House—the names are: Enche' C. V. Devan Nair for Bungsar), the Members from Sarawak, Enche' Ong Kee Hui, Enche' Stephen Yong, Tama Weng Tinggang Wan, the Member for Batu, Dr Tan Chee Khoon, the Member for Ipoh, Enche' D. R. Seenivasagam—think it our duty to bring to the attention of this House and to the public at large the sinister the Local content and purport of Government Elections (Amendment) (No.

2) Bill.
2) Bill.

The Bill seeks to provide powers to the State Governments to suspend or take over functions of Municipal and Local Councils, and these powers to have retrospective effect as .196.1.

Sir, retrospective from January legislation is passed only in the most exceptional cases, and never to defeat the course and the ends of justice.
to make a This clearly implies belated recognition by the Government that all the measures taken up to date by the State Governments concerned against Local and Municipal Councils have had no legal basis.

There is currently a court action taken by the Penang City Council against the State Government of Penang.

It would appear that the intention of this Bill is to defeat the course of justice in Penang and to give retrospective sanction for acts which were clearly ultra vires when they were committed.
is a case of The public will not fail to see that this the most brazen political chicanery.

This House was elected by the people to legislate in their interests, and to legislate for the future.

What this Bill seeks to do is to convert this Legislature into an Alliance rubber stamp for underwriting possible illegalities committed by the State Governments.
We are, in fact, asked to pass a Bill into law, which will have retrospective effect from a time in 1961, when another House was responsible for legislation.

We consider this Bill an insult to the intelligence and the dignity of Parlia ment, and we decline to be associated in any way with the passage of this thoroughly disreputable piece of legis lation, which will drive yet another nail into the coffin of Malaysian democracy under the Alliance Government.
We also call on ail Members of this House, whatever party affiliations they may have, to refuse in like manner to give their sanction to a most shameful measure motivated by sinister conside rations.

Those Members of this House, who find it in themselves to associate their names with the passage of this Bill into law, must necessarily draw upon themselves the odium of justifying what must be condemned as inimical to the canons of parliamentary propriety and to the cause of justice.
In order to record our strong feelings this matter, we the undersigned on will now walk out of this Chamber.

Tuan C. V. Devan Nair: Dis graceful !

(The Honourable Dr Lim Chong Eu, Tuan C. V. Devan Nair, Tuan Ong Kee Hui, Tuan Stephen Yong Kuet Tze, Tama Weng Tinggang Wan, Dr Tan Chee Khoon, and Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam leave the Chamber).
2009 27 AUGUST 1966 2010 Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid (Seberang Utara): Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya bangun untok mengalu2- kan Rang Undang2 Pindaan Pilehan Raya Majlis2 Tempatan dan saya sokong penoh di-atas langkah Kerajaan untok meminda Rang Undang2 Pilehan Raya bagi Majlis2 Tempatan.
Bagai- mana kita ma'alum, bahawa beberapa Majlis Perbandaran telah melakukan beberapa kesalahan di-atas pentadbiran bagi Majlis2 itu khas-nya Majlis Perbandaran Seremban, Melaka, juga Majlis Bandaraya Pulau Pinang bagai- mana pada masa sekarang ini sa-buah Surohanjaya sedang menyiasat di-atas perjalanan pentadbiran Majlis yang tersebut.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, untok menjaga kepentingan pendudok2 dalam Majlis2 Perbandaran sangat-lah ini, maka patut bagi Kerajaan mengadakan satu pindaan yang membolehkan Kerajaan Negeri mengambil tindakan, mengambil aleh kuasa pentadbiran bagi Majlis2 Perbandaran ini untok hendak men- jauhi daripada kejadian2 yang kita sedia ma'alum.

Saya, sa-orang daripada ahli di-Pulau Pinang, tahu sangat-lah chara2 pentad biran Majlis Bandaraya Pulau Pinang yang di-tadbirkan oleh Socialist Front.
Mereka enggan bekerjasama dengan Kerajaan Negeri dan Kerajaan Pusat, mereka engkar daripada patoh kapada arahan dan perentah daripada Kera jaan Pusat atau Kerajaan Negeri.

Dalil-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada tahun 1960 Kerajaan Pusat dan Kera jaan Negeri telah mengarahkan supaya tiap2 Majlis Tempatan mengadakan perayaan tamat dzarurat, tetapi pehak pentadbir Bandaraya Pulau Pinang engkar mengikut-nya.
Juga pada tahun 1963 waktu kita menyambut pengishti- haran Malaysia, mereka juga engkar mengikut arahan dan perentah daripada Kerajaan Pusat dan Kerajaan Negeri, mereka sa-kali mahu sama mengambil bahagian menyambut pera yaan pengishtiharan Malaysia.

tidak Dengan yang ini, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, ada lagi perkara2 yang berlaku di-dalam pentadbiran majlis itu.
Satu chara yang di-laksanakan oleh Front Socialist waktu itu, mereka memileh pekerja2 daripada ahli parti-nya sahaja, juga kemudahan2 di-beri chuma kapada ahli2 parti sahaja tidak kapada ahli2 parti yang lain.

Ini ada-lah satu chara dzalim yang tidak menitek-beratkan ke'adilan kapada orang2 atau pendudok2 dalam kawasan itu, dalam daerah itu, atau pun dalam kawasan yang di-tadbir oleh Majlis Bandaran ini.
lebeh sempurna Saya sangat-lah sukachita-nya dan mengalu2kan supaya Rang Pindaan ini di-luluskan dan dengan ini dapat-lah Majlis2 Perbandaran yang ada dalam lebeh lichin negara kita ini berjalan lagi dan lagi dan semua pendudok2 memuaskan hati dalam kawasan yang di-tadbirkan oleh Majlis2 yang tersebut.
Jikalau sa-kira- satu kuasa untok nya mengambil atau mengambil tindakan, maka ahli2 yang mentadbir Majlis itu, sa-kira-nya dapat kapada tangan orang2 yang tidak bertanggong- jawab, maka atau pentadbiran Majlis2 yang tersebut.

jahanam Majlis tidak ada aleh Dan sa-kali lagi saya menguchapkan tahniah kapada Kerajaan kerana meng ambil satu langkah yang sangat sesuai.

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Koram tidak chukup, Tuan Yang di- Pertua.

(Divisional bell rung: House counted: 26 Members present).
I in thought this Chamber Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, the Opposition has Sir, always claimed to practise parliamen tary democracy, yet in an important debate of this nature they have chosen the negative attitude of walking out of instead of partici the debate and putting pating forward their points both in law and in fact as to why they oppose this Bill.

They have no basis for any argument against this Bill, so they have chosen the negative attitude of just walking out of this Chamber.
Nevertheless I hope that they are still within listening distance, near one of the speakers within the precincts of this Honourable House, so that at least they have the benefit of hearing my explanation of only a few, I repeat, a few points raised by them.

I will summarise their objections.


The objections of, I think, both the 2011 27 AUGUST 1966 2012 Honourable Member for Batu and the Honourable Member for Tanjong are based roughly on: (i) that the matter is sub judice; (ii) that the Bill intends to validate an illegal act of the State Govern ment; (iii) it departs from the spirit and intention of the Local Govern ment Elections Act; and, finally, for apparent (iv) it is retrospective.
Sir, before I reply to these points, I would like to congratulate the Opposi "Grand tion their Alliance" on this issue—and it was because of such a type of alliance that we saw in Seremban Town Council that prompted the moving of this Bill.

the Seremban What did we see in Town Council?

There we offered the first available opportunity to the Oppo sition coalition headed by the Socialist Front, now defunct, of course, and known the Labour Party—to administer the Town Council.
No sooner were they given the first oppor tunity to do so, what did they do?

They to maladministration and malpractices, as a result of which we have the Royal this Report of Commission of Enquiry which sub allegations of mal stantiated practices and maladministration, in cluding corrupt practices.

I will later, Sir, quote the Report to show why it is necessary for this Honourable House to take this measure in this House.
resorted the as In that issue running this Government, Sir, the the most important Alliance Party must always bear in mind is public interest.

Public interest must prevail against all other consi derations, or all other considerations must be subjugated to public interest.

Let us look at it in law and in spirit whether it is wrong to bring such a Bill and whether such a Bill should have retrospective effect.

and democracy, elections we Now, let us look at the spirit of the whole thing.
We are practising parlia through mentary been general the destiny of entrusted with the people at all levels—from Central level, Federal level, State level, Dis trict level, right down to the Local Council level.
Surely, Sir, it must be have of the trust of responsibility the the Federal Government to ensure that the public interest is protected at all times and, as such, the Central Government, for that matter the Alliance Party, is the watchdog for members of the public, and it must ensure that prompt action is taken where necessary to see that the public interest is duly safeguarded and protected, and particularly in cases where in returning the Opposition is not being abused.
And does the Opposition suggest that we should sit back and do nothing, especially when we have instances of maladministration clear in Local Authori and malpractices ties—especially the one that has been proved beyond all doubt in Seremban Town Council?

Yet, the Opposition has the cheek to say that this Bill should not have been introduced and that it has sinister intent and what not.
the public Now, the Constitution certainly envi saged such an exigency and it was because of an oversight of drafting that this provision was omitted—it is admitted as an omission in this legis lation.

However, as I said earlier, it is most important that we must bear in mind at all times that the public interest must prevail against all other considerations.
Furthermore, is beyond any doubt that the Parliament is the highest legislative tribunal of the land and, as such, there is no question of the justifiability and the legal right of this Honourable House to legislate against the situation that I have stated just now.
it this matter before First, I will deal with the question of whether the House is, in fact, sub judice, because the Honourable House has been informed about court proceedings else where, although not specifically, both by the Honourable Member for Batu and for the Honourable Member Tanjong.
Now, Standing Order 36 of the House deals with contents of the speeches in this House and in sub section (2) thereof it is provided that reference shall not be made to any matter which is sub judice in such a way as might, in the opinion of the Chair, prejudice the interests of parties 2013 27 AUGUST 1966 2014 thereto.

Nowhere else in the Standing Orders of the House is there any reference made to bills sub judice.
In Erskine May's Parliamentary Practice, Sixteenth Edition, at page 400, a relevant passage reads as follows: ''Matters pending judicial decisions: A matter"—I repeat the word "matter"—"while under adjudication by a court of law should not be brought before the House by a motion or otherwise.

This rule does not apply to Bills."

This rule only applies to matters and not to Bills.
In regard to the second point that this Bill intends to validate the illegal act of the State Government, raised for the Honourable Member by Tanjong who referred to certain action taken by a certain State Government, although not specifically again, this is not quite the case.

Local Government is a State matter and, therefore, it is absolutely within the power of the Legislature of a State to legislate on to Local Govern matters relating ment.
The powers of the Federal Government with regard to matters relating to Local Government are limited to the provisions of Article 16 of the Constitution.

It is absolutely within the power of the State of Penang to enact the provisions con tained in section 398A and 398B of the Municipal Ordinance.
However, when the Federal Government passed the Local Government Elections Act, 1960, it was not foreseen that a State might enact provisions in their laws for the transfer of functions of the Municipality for any reason necessary, or desirable, in the public interest.

As such, a Federal law, was enacted for the purpose of uniformity of law and policy, provided that the adminis tration of a Municipality shall always be carried out by a Council.
By virtue of Article 75 of the Constitution, the law enacted by the State, which is inconsistent with the Federal law, shall be void although the Enactment was made absolutely within the power of the Legislature of the State.

There fore, to our Federal law is merely to enable the State to effectively exercise the legis lative powers with regard to Local is no legal or Government.

There the amendment today constitutional objection to the proposed Amendment Bill.
is provided In regard to the third contention that the amendment departs from the spirit and the intention of the Local Government Elections Act of 1960, here again, this contention is not true.

The 1960 Act was enacted by the Federal Government for the purpose of uniformity of law and policy with regard to Local Government's elec tions.

The scope of this Act is described in its long title.
In section 31, therefore, it the municipal that affairs of every municipality shall be administered by a Council and this is notwithstanding any provision of the Municipal Ordinance to the contrary.

The principle of this is still maintained although an exception is allowed for the State to enact provisions for a temporary transfer of functions of a Municipality for any reason necessary, or desirable, in the public interest.
As I have said just now, Sir, it is an indisputable principle that all other considerations must be subjugated to public interest.

Now, the Parliament is a Court superior to any Court of Law with sovereign power which can make and unmake the laws.
As I said earlier, Sir, the Alliance Party must and shall always amend any law—in fact it is duty-bound to do so—if in its opinion, such action is necessary, as long as there are people such as the leaders of the Opposition, the Socialist Front, the U.D.P., etc., who would seize the first available opportunity to enrich them selves when given the opportunity to run an administration: I refer to no other than such leaders of the until recently Opposition-controlled Serem- ban Town Council in respect of which allegations of maladministration and malpractices were proved.
With your leave, Sir, I would like to read some of the extracts from the Report of the Royal Commission of Enquiry.

In page 29 of this Report, Sir, it is stated, and I quote: " .

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there can be little doubt that on the evidence the allegations of maladminis tration in the Seremban Town Council since 1959 have been established .

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.. there are evidences which, if believed, would justify 2015 27 AUGUST 1966 2016 the finding of allegations of malpractices against certain councillors in the said Council since 1963"— that was the time when the Socialist Front and other Opposition coalition group took over the Town Council of Seremban.
"Having the advantage of seeing and hearing all the witnesses and studying the numerous documents that substantially the allegations of malpractices against those councillors in the said Council since 1963 have been established."
I am satisfied Again, Sir, in page 28, it is stated, and I quote: "I, therefore, find the following allegations to have been established: (i) that C. Rajaratnam, a former Vice- President of the Seremban Town Council had accepted a cheque for $2,000 from the first witness in consi deration of having the latter's layout plans approved and that Gurnam Singh Gill and Lai Pong Yuen wanted more money before such plans would be approved by the Plans Committee; (ii) that Gurnam Singh Gill accepted $5,000 from the third witness in consideration of the issue of a certificate of fitness in respect of Ruby Theatre; (iii) that Gurnam Singh Gill accepted various sums of money from the fourth witness, namely, $300 and $200 in consideration of issuing certificates of fitness and $1,500 and $500 in consi plans having deration approved; certain of (iv) that Toh Fook Seng, Councillor of Seremban Town Council, approached Ng Low and wanted the latter to pay $300 in consideration of having the licence of Ng Low's wife renewed; (v) that both Gurnam Singh Gill and Lai Pong Yuen, Councillor and President of the Seremban Town Council respec tively, wanted the fifth witness to pay $6,000 to be shared among controlling councillors in consideration of having his layout plans approved by the Plans Committee; (vi) that both Gurnam Singh Gill and Lai Pong Yuen, Councillor and President of the Seremban Town Council respec tively, were interested in the payment of the sum of $10,000 to be shared among controlling councillors from the sixth witness who had promised to make such payment in consideration of having his building plans approved by the Council; that Gurnam Singh Gill was in addition personally interested in obtaining $2,000 from the sixth witness in the same matter."
Here you are, Sir, those words are quoted from the Report of the Royal interest of Commission of Enquiry.

Are we, the watchdogs of the the public—the Central Government—are we to sit back and do nothing and let such type of coalition government of the Opposition to go and continue with their maladministration and mal practices?

Certainly not, Sir.
Certainly not, Sir.

There fore, this Parliament, which has all the unlimited rights of legislative powers and sovereignty, must legislate and enable the State Government to take local over authorities, particularly throughout the whole period or of enquiry.
As I have stated, Sir, under constitutional law, the Parliament has legally unlimited legislative powers of in fact rights pre sovereignty, and viously established could even be taken away by an Act, even a private Act—and the extent of which due notice was not given to the party meant to be injured.
investigation furthermore functions even the the of to the submissions Sir, I beg your leave to make all these explanations, Sir, because no doubt publicity would be given to the walkout of the Opposition Members.

the Press will give equal I hope publicity I am to giving here.
Sir, I would like to refer to one of the leading cases of consti tutional law, Edinburgh and Dalkeith Railway Company vs. Wauchope (1842) in which Wauchope was entitled to certain payments from the Railway Company under a private Act, and the Company subsequently obtained the passing of even a private Act which modified his rights.
I am not suggest ing that this Government to modify private rights, but here I am illustrating a point that even to this Parliament, this Honourable House, has the power to do so, and more so when we are doing it in protection of public interest.
In this case, the Court went further to say that "No Court of Justice can enquire into the mode in which the Act was introduced into the Parlia ment, nor into what was done previous to is most introduction"—this into what was important, Sir—"nor done previous introduction".
Now, this is the answer to the point the Honourable raised by one of is the intention of this extent its its to it 2017 27 AUGUST 1966 2018 the Opposition Members of that because certain events have happened somewhere to it introduce this Bill.

is obnoxious that and this With corrupt, the Grand Inquest of In another classical case on consti tutional law, Stockdale vs Hansard, it is stated that the Commons of England, which is equivalent to our Parliament here.
Sir, are not invested with more of power and dignity by their legisla tive character than by that which they the bear as nation—I repeat the words, Sir, "Grand Inquest of the nation".

Therefore, if we have local authorities which are maladministered the Parliament has no alternative but to resort to its power to the fullest extent in order that public interest may be fully safeguarded, and includes legislating retrospectively, if it is neces sary to do so.
regard the question of to retrospective is no legislation, rule against retrospective laws.

There are certain principles, however, govern ing retrospective laws, which I would briefly mention here.
Firstly, no law shall be given retrospective effect so as to take away any accrued rights—and this is not the case here, Sir; secondly, no law shall be given retrospective effect to make an offence that was not unlawful—and again this is not the case, otherwise is no other sanction against the power of Parlia laws.

I to make retrospective ment repeat again, Sir, that there can be no proposition that the Parliament cannot legislate retrospectively.
In this respect, I would like to quote Odgers on the Construction of Deeds and Statutes, although I am having a very old edition (third edition) and it is said here on page 209: there there "Retrospective effect may be supplied either by expressed enactment or even by implication and that this latter is the much more frequent method; the presumption is against such operation where it would affect vested or acquired rights."

In this case we are not dealing with vested and acquired rights.
In this case, we are concerned with public interest.

I can quote a case, Sir, which is quite similar to the present Bill.

The Town and Country Planning (Amend ment) Act, 1951 in England, Section 1, that, "the (3), provides sub-section Principal Act of 1947 shall have effect and shall be deemed for all purposes to have had effect as if it had originally been enacted as amended by the pre is a case ceding sub-section."
Here where an amending Act was made retrospective—amending Act in 1951 was made retrospective to its original Act of 1947.

Here again, to strengthen the argument of the unlimited power of the the Parliament, not only can Parliament legislate retrospectively in this case, but it may even do so in what may appear to be unreasonable or against natural justice.
During the it was at one 17th century, time thought that an Act of Parliament against reason or natural justice would be adjudged void, but such theory is of merely antiquarian interest.
Summing up, Sir, what I tried to submit in this House is that this action was taken—I beg your leave to repeat this—in order that the public interest may be safeguarded in the light of the maladministration and malpractices in the local authorities, and particularly so, when we have proof—the Report of the Royal Commission of Enquiry of the Seremban Town Council headed by the Opposition Coalition—that there have been, in fact, cases of malad ministration and malpractice.
today tadi ada Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, untok penjelasan.

Di-dalam keterangan yang di-beri oleh Menteri tersebut satu per- kataan sa-chara umum—in general— kesemua Local Council kata-nya Authorities—dia menggunakan plural.

Jadi, ada-kah termasok juga Municipa lities, juga Town Council dalam perkataan Local Authorities itu?

termasok Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Sir, this Bill concerns only the Municipalities.

Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately into a Committee on the Bill.

resolved itself Bill considered in Committee.

2019 27 AUGUST 1966 2020 (Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 3 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.

MOTIONS THE CUSTOMS ORDINANCE, 1952 The Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.
5) Order, 1966 The Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance (Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move: That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of sub-section the Customs Ordinance, 1952, the Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.

5) Order, 1966, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

62 of 1966 be confirmed.

(2) of section 10 of tariff The Order before the House serves to correct the anomalous provision in the structure.
Formerly, unset pearls and precious and semi-precious stones were dutiable at 25 per cent, whereas the duty of articles incorpora ting them was at 10 per cent.
In order that the work of setting such pearls, precious and semi-precious stones may be carried out in Malaysia rather than in other countries, and also in order to discourage smuggling of these arti cles, it was found necessary to bring the level of duty of such unset pearls, precious and semi-precious stones to the same that on articles level as incorporating them.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move.

Tuan Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: Sir, I beg to second the motion.
saya Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: ber- di-Pertua, Tuan Yang setuju dengan Kerajaan mengemukakan motion ini dengan niat hendak mengu- rangkan penyeludupan, tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya rasa dukachita terhadap Kerajaan sebab di-dalam ke- terangan-nya dengan tegas mengatakan bahawa dengan meluluskan usul ini dapat-lah kita mengurangkan penyelu dupan yang membawa barang2 itu, tetapi apa-kah dengan chara menurun- kan peratus chukai itu jalan yang sa- benar untok mengurangkan penyelu dupan atau pun usaha2 menchegah penyeludupan lebeh berkesan.
itu kalau itu akan dapat—yang Ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bimbang bagini: apabila kita menyo- kong usul ini, maka kedua2 tujuan itu tidak pertama chukai kemasokan kita pun kurang daripada 25% kita turunkan kapada 10%.

Jadi kita sudah rugi 15% dengan harapan konon-nya hendak mengu rangkan penyeludupan, sedang penyakit penyeludupan itu tidak di-ubat.

Jadi, penyeludupan juga sa- bagaimana biasa dan chukai masok pun kurang.

Bagi saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.


usaha yang sa-macham ini tidak bijak dan saya rasa patut-lah penyeludupan itu di-ubati, bukan lain tempat yang sakit, lain tempat yang kita buboh ubat.

itu menjadi2 Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, langkah yang di-buat ini dengan menurunkan chukai dari pada 25% kapada 10% ia-lah sa-bagai satu daripada langkah2 untok mengu rangkan kechenderongan pada penye ludupan.
Jadi dengan mengemukakan tidak-lah di-maksudkan bahawa ini ini-lah sahaja langkah yang di-jalankan oleh Kerajaan untok mengurangkan kechenderongan pada penyeludupan.

Langkah2 yang lain itu memang-lah sudah berjalan dan pehak Kerajaan memang-lah sentiasa mengambil lang kah dan sentiasa memikirkan dan membaiki langkah2 untok mengurang kan penyeludupan.

Ini hanya-lah sa- bagai salah satu chara yang lain untok mengurangkan kechenderongan atau mengurangkan incentive untok menye- ludupkan barang2.
tadi bagitu-lah Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau di-dalam kenyataan yang di-kemukakan pada kali pertama tertib, erti-nya chermat-nya, saya tidak bang- kit, tetapi chara memberi penerangan tadi itu patut di-perelokkan lagi, sebab Ahli represents Menteri Kewangan, jadi wording-nya itu patut di-gunakan elok2.

selalu itu Question put, and agreed to.


2021 27 AUGUST 1966 2022 Resolved, That this House resolves that in accord ance with the powers vested in it by virtue of the Customs Ordinance, the Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.

5) Order, 1966, which has been the House as laid before Statute Paper No.

62 of 1966 be confirmed.

section 10 of sub-section (2) of 1952, Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Sir, I beg to second the motion.
Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak mengemukakan saya tidak ada kertas ini, boleh jadi saya tidak dapat Statute Paper No.

64 ini.

sadikit ia-itu THE SABAH CUSTOMS ORDINANCE (CAP.

33) The Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) (No.

3) Order, 1966 Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move, the powers vested That this House resolves that in accordance in it by virtue of with sub-section (3) of section 8 of the Sabah Customs Ordinance (Cap.
33), the Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) (No.

3) Order, 1966, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

63 of 1966 be confirmed.

This Order applies to Sabah in the same way that Customs Duties (Amend ment) (No.

5) Order, 1966, applies to Western Malaysia.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move.

Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That this House resolves that in accordance in it by virtue of with sub-section (3) of section 8 of the Sabah Customs Ordinance (Cap.

33), the Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) (No.

3) Order, 1966, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

63 of 1966 be confirmed.

the powers vested THE SARAWAK CUSTOMS ORDINANCE (CAP.

26) The Customs (Import and Export) Duties (Amendment) (No.
2) Order, 1966 Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move, That this House resolves that in accordance with the powers vested in it by virtue of sub-section (3) of section 8 of the Sarawak Customs Ordinance (Cap.

26), the Customs (Amendment) (Import and Export) Duties (No.

2) Order, 1966, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

64 of 1966 be confirmed.

This Order applies to Sarawak in the same way that Customs Duties (Amend ment) (No.
5} Order, 1966, applies to Western Malaysia.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move.

Mr Speaker: Tidak ada apa?

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tidak ada Statute Paper No.

64/1966.

Mr Speaker: Jadi tidak menjadi soal-lah!

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That this House resolves that in accordance with the powers vested in it by virtue of sub-section (3) of section 8 of the Sarawak Customs Ordinance (Cap.

26), the Customs (Amendment) (Import and Export) Duties (No.
2) Order, 1966, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

64 of 1966 be confirmed.

THE CUSTOMS ORDINANCE, 1952 The Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.

6) Order, 1966 Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move the motion standing in my name which has been put down in the Order Paper as Item No.
7 and which reads as follows: That this House resolves that in accordance with the powers vested in it by virtue of sub-section (2) of section 10 of the Customs Ordinance, the Customs Duties (No.

6) Order, 1966, which (Amendment) has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

65 of 1966 be confirmed.

1952, The Order before the House abo in lishes Commonwealth preference respect of import duties on several categories of goods, viz.
sugar, textiles and wearing apparel, alcoholic bever tobacco, cosmetics and per ages, television and wireless sets, fumery, musical tyres and instruments, and tubes.

Henceforth, the import duties on these goods will be uniformly fixed at the old non-Commonwealth rates.

I to yield $17 expect million of additional revenue in a full year.
I might add that in a simul taneous exercise to remove the pre ferential rates of ad valorem registra tion fee on motor vehicles, a further this measure 2023 27 AUGUST 1966 2024 $10 million per annum is expected to be collected.

in to the Government which, I have explained publicly that the decision remove Commonwealth preference has been made with a view to strengthening the financial position the of current fiscal year, is facing a deficit on current account.
This is a trend which clearly had to be reversed, if we are to remain financially viable and credit worthy, a paramount consideration for attracting foreign aid on the scale envisaged in order to implement the First Malaysia Plan.

New sources of revenue had, therefore, to be found.

that our In this connection, I would like to emphasise again that, under the finan cial circumstances in which we were placed, we really had no choice, except to act in the way we did.
This was the only possible course open to us in mid-year.

Something had, there fore, to be done, and done quickly, to cover the deficit on current account.

I, of course, agree financial position is by no means desperate, but if we regard ourselves as a responsible Government that has achieved an international reputation in this respect, we clearly should not delay taking remedial action until it was too late.
The time we chose was by no means too early, if we are in earnest about maintaining the strength and stability of our currency, a matter which gains added importance in view of the fact that by the middle of next year Bank Negara will be its own currency.

issuing our vital When that event takes place, it is absolutely foreign that exchange reserves should be more than enough and our financial position should be strong.
Anything less than this might lead to a dangerous erosion of confidence in our currency, and this would be a poor start for us, and would the strictures) of our critics and opponents, who insist that we are not fit to manage our own currency unless we are the apron strings of a currency board system with all rigidities and colonial pattern of operation.
We there fore, cannot afford to take chances at this stage, and we must do everything justify tied its to we can to ensure that on 12th June, 1967, the day Bank Negara issues its own currency, we get off to the best these circums possible start.

Under tances, I hope that Commonwealth Governments whose exports have been affected by our action will view the it with sym reasons which dictated pathy and with understanding.
I have also stated that the action taken by the Government in no way reflects any change in its trade policy.

Malaysia still accords a substantial number of preferences in favour of goods of Commonwealth origin.

In the aggregate, the value of the remaining is goods accorded approximately equal to the value of Malaysian goods accorded preference in other Commonwealth countries.
I should also add that preferences con tracted under trade agreements entered into by Malaysia with individual countries remain unaltered.

such preference Sir, I beg to move.

Tuan Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: Sir, I beg to second the motion.
Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-bagai kebia- saan, saya dalam sa-barang usaha yang saya di-kemukakan oleh Kerajaan, menyokong pada asas-nya, dan di-sini saya suka-lah mengambil peluang mem- tentang pindaan beri pendapat saya Undang2 ia-itu ini terhadap chukai dengan kita berhajat atau pun berniat supaya dengan pindaan ini kita dapat menolong lagi menegohkan kedudokan kewangan kita dengan kita mengada- kan pindaan bagi import duty yang preferential.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, memang-lah satu daripada usaha kita ia-itu me- mansokhkan chukai2 yang sa-macham itu supaya kita dapat chukai kemasokan banyak.

Tetapi dari segi ekonomi yang saya faham selalu yang di-sarankan oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Perusa- haan dan Perdagangan yang selalu-nya lebeh banyak daripada Menteri Finance sendiri ekonomi, External Ekonomy, tidak-lah dapat kita menyukat dengan ekonomi dari dalam.
Jadi saya bimbang kalau2 apa- bila kita mansokhkan chukai preferen tial ini dengan harapan kita hendak hubongan ia-itu 2025 27 AUGUST 1966 2026 dapat chukai masok tetapi reaction daripada negara2 yang ber- itu akan menerbitkan pula kenaan tindakan2 terhadap kita.
lebeh, itu rendah Jadi kalau sa-kira-nya dahulu kita memberi keistimewaan itu dan hujah chukai kita memberi keistimewaan yang tidak menyentoh kedudokan kewangan kita, maka elok pula kita buat bagitu supaya orang me- nlmbang pula hubongan kita dengan mereka itu.

Maka sekarang ini meng- apa pula yang kita sedar bahawa kita mesti memansokhkan preferential duty itu?
Jadi kalau dahulu-nya kita meng- harapkan simpati orang2 itu kapada kita, maka sekarang ini dengan lojik- nya, dengan mudah-nya, bila kita itu, mansokhkan preferential orang pun akan bertindak terhadap kita, dan saya bimbang reaction dari pada memansokhkan preferential duty ini akan menambahkan lagi kesulitan di-dalam masaalah ekonomi kita—in contact with the external economy.
duty Dr Mahathir bin Mohamad: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun untok menyokong penoh usul Kerajaan yang terkandong di-dalam-nya policy baru berkenaan dengan keistimewaan sa- tengah2 impot2 daripada negara2 Com monwealth.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita yang berumor lebeh daripada 40 tahun di- negeri ini telah di-didek dalam sekolah2 kolonial di-mana kita belajar tentang kelakuan gentleman.
Dalam didekan ini kita di-fahamkan ia-itu apa juga yang di-lakukan oleh orang British ia- lah chara yang di-buat oleh gentleman.

Mereka tidak boleh buat salah.

Mereka selalu menimbangkan sa-chara adil.

Kalau penimbangan ini selalu mengun- tongkan mereka sendiri, ini bukan-lah apa, ini terpaksa jadi, kerana keadilan.

Kita juga di-ajar tentang word of honour ia-itu kita mesti patoh kapada janji2, walau pun janji2 itu di-pulas daripada kita dengan chara yang kejam.
Akhir-nya kita di-ajar supaya menjadi good loser ia-itu mesti sport ing selalu.

Kalau kita dapati orang itu chara Inggeris gentleman tidak nampak (Ketawa).

Kalau kita terikat sunggoh pun kita tipu, kita kata dengan tipu daya-nya kita mesti honour our words.

Dan kalau kita rugi kerana di-tipu, kita mesti senyum dan tunjok yang kita ini ia-lah good loser dan real gentleman (Ketawa).

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita tahu bahawa Commonwealth preference ini di-buat di-masa penjajah.
Saya tidak perchaya yang siapa2 pun berani kata chara ini yang di-bentok pada zaman penjajah bermaharaja-lela di-sini ia- lah dengan kerana kasehan kapada jajahan2 ta'alok-nya.

Atau pun mereka ini telah nampak ia-itu pada satu hari jajahan2 ini akan menjadi negara2 merdeka dan berdaulat.

Saya perchaya mereka membuat Commonwealth pre ini sa-mata2 untok menjaga ference market untok keluaran industry2 British dan supaya mereka dapat mengawal bahan2 yang penting yang ada di- jajahan2 ta'alok.
Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada masa kita menuntut kemerdekaan, Honourable British Gentleman telah menegas penting-nya memegang kuat kapada Commonwealth preference, sa- olah2 ini di-bentok khas-nya untok memelihara Malaya yang merdeka.

Sunggoh pun kita nampak macham mana ini akan menguntong- kan kita, tetapi supaya kita tidak di- katakan bukan gentleman kita telah terima alasan2 yang di-buat.
tidak Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-lama kita merdeka, kita telah chuba jadi gentle man dengan British, tetapi sa-makin lama sa-makin terang yang gentle man—orang yang mengajar kita supaya menjadi sendiri gentleman—mereka bukan gentleman.

Mereka chuma meng- gunakan ini untok kepen- tingan mereka sahaja.

tayangan Pada Ogos, 1965 kita telah nampak dengan jelas betapa bad loser mereka boleh jadi.
Daripada Ogos, 1965 sa- hingga sekarang, British telah tunjok bertalu2 yang mereka akan membuat apa sahaja untok menunjok apa yang jikalau kita boleh jadi kapada kita tidak bekerjasama dengan mereka.

Saya tidak akan sebutkan satu persatu, tetapi sa-telah kita kenal baik gentle friend, maka man kita, gentleman tukar tidak dapat tidak kita mesti 2027 27 AUGUST 1966 2028 sikap kita terhadap mereka.
Jadi saya mengalu2kan langkah Kerajaan meren- tikan Commonwealth preference bagi sa-tengah2 impot pada masa yang akan datang.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya fikir ada lagi perkara2 yang patut di-kaji sa- mula berkenaan dengan ikatan2 yang di-buat sa-belum merdeka.

Kita tahu sa-belum merdeka, Kerajaan Negeri2 Melayu mesti menerima nasehat2 yang oleh British Advisers.

di-berikan Mereka ini telah menggunakan kuasa nasehat mereka untok perniagaan com pany2 British.
Umpama-nya, berkenaan dengan tanah ladang getah.

Saya di- beri tahu ia-itu tanah2 yang luas yang di-beri kapada company2 British di- kenakan hasil yang rendah, kadang2- nya sa-banyak 10% sahaja daripada hasil2 yang di-kenakan kapada pela- dang2 kechil.

Apabila di-soal, sa- tengah2 daripada pegawai kita berkata, kita tidak boleh ubah hasil oleh kerana kita telah janji dengan company2 ini masa British, kita tidak boleh pechah janji2 ini.
Jadi tentu-lah terang, sung- goh pun pada masa di-buatkan janji2 itu British telah berkelakuan kurang sadikit daripada gentleman dengan menggunakan kuasa British Adviser untok kepentingan bangsa mereka, kita pula sekarang ini hendak gentleman sangat dan tidak mahu memechah janji yang merugikan kita.

lagi Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang lebeh burok ia-lah kejadian di-Pulau Pinang.
Apabila Captain Light telah, dengan pandai-nya, mengambil Pulau Pinang dia telah beri kapada keluarga- nya dengan tiada di-kenakan apa2 pun, chuma dengan nominal atau pun tanah2 yang ada di- charge sahaja Pulau Pinang.

Tanah2 ini telah ada orang2 yang memileki-nya dengan tidak di- tetapi chara usaha, pedulikan oleh Kerajaan Pulau Pinang.

tanah2 yang di-beri Satu daripada kapada keluarga Captain Light ini ia- lah Brown Estate di-Glugor.
Dengan murah hati-nya, Mr Brown telah ber kata kapada orang2 yang pada masa itu mendudoki di-dalam tanah ini ia- itu mereka boleh tinggal di-situ dengan tidak di-kenakan apa2 bayaran.

Ini sama-lah juga, sa-orang yang menya- ini mun duit daripada saya dan sa-lepas itu memberi wang balek kapada saya, dan berlagak saperti dermawan.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, akibah ram- pasan ini ia-lah, sekarang pendudok2 di-Brown Estate terpaksa di-keluarkan oleh keturunan Brown yang telah men- jualkan tanah ini kapada orang2 lain.

Ini membawa kapada kesusahan yang menyedehkan.

Tetapi, Kerajaan tidak- lah boleh membuat apa2.


Kita maseh patoh kapada Undang2, dan Undang2 berkata Brown Estate ini ia-lah hak keturunan Brown, dan mereka boleh menjualkan tanah itu atau pun mem buat akan champor tangan, sunggoh pun chara Brown mendapat Estate ini bukan-lah bagitu tertib.

apa2.

Kerajaan tidak Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berharap supaya perjanjian2 saperti ini dapat di- kaji balek.

Kita ta' boleh pegang kuat sangat dengan chara gentleman.
Kita merdeka dan kita mesti berusaha untok soal kebaikan diri kita.

Di-dalam telah Commonwealth preference, kita ambil tindakan.

Sekarang saya berharap supaya bila ia-itu kelakuan dan kerja yang di-jalankan oleh penjajah British dahulu, ke- kurangan dalam segi ajaran, patut-lah kita ambil tindakan untok menjaga kepentingan kita.

juga kita dapati, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dari itu saya menyokong penoh usul Kerajaan untok chukai2 yang di-kenakan meminda import2 kapada daripada Commonwealth.

Terima kaseh.
Terima kaseh.

sa-tengah2 daripada negara2 Tuan Mohamed Yusof bin Mahmud (Temerloh): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya juga bangun mengalu2kan Rang Undang2 yang di-bentangkan di-Dewan pada hari ini, ia-itu mengaleh atau pun meminda Undang2 Khas berkenaan chukai2 barang2 yang datang daripada Commonwealth.

Ini satu langkah yang berani, rasa saya, kerana apa, saya perchaya negeri2 Commonwealth yang tertentu akan pula mengambil peluang, mengambil sikap yang lain terhadap Undang2 yang kita timbulkan di-negeri kita ini.
Dan daripada ini, kita akan menghadap satu perkara yang sangat2 penting.

Jadi, dalam perkara ini, rasa 2029 27 AUGUST 1966 2030 saya, patut juga-lah Kementerian Per- dagangan dan Perusahaan mengalehkan usaha-nya supaya ketetapan wang kita di-luar negeri tetap, ia-itu menchari pasaran2 yang luas di-dunia ini.
Sebab, saya kata bagitu, pasaran2 barang kita belum lagi chukup laris di-luar daripada Commonwealth, bagai- mana yang telah saya lihat pada masa lawatan saya di-negeri Eropah, di- Timor Tengah dan juga di-Tenggara Asia.

Jadi, rasa saya kita.

mesti meng- hadapi keadaan itu.

Dan, kalau kita pengeluaran2 dapat barang2 kita ka-negeri2 lain daripada Commonwealth ini, mungkin mereka2 tindakan2 yang akan menimbangkan akan di-ambil oleh sa-paroh2 negeri dalam Commonwealth ini.

menyalorkan Jadi, boleh sendiri.


lampau, Yang kedua, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, usul ini juga akan memberi peluang yang baik kapada kita, ia-itu terutama sa-kali ra'ayat Malaysia menggunakan Perusahaan2-nya apa sebab saya kata bagitu, pada masa yang di-katakan perusahaan2 kita belum lagi mendapat layanan atau pun penerimaan daripada ra'ayat kita sendiri.

Maseh banyak lagi ra'ayat kita yang menggunakan barang2 yang datang daripada luar negeri.
Jadi, dengan ada-nya Undang2 yang macham ini, maka kegiatan yang di-jalankan oleh perusahaan2 kita di-dalam negeri ini, lebeh mendapat satu perasaan yang gembira dan peluang yang baik pada masa hadapan.

ini, Jadi, dalam perkara saya perchaya-lah banyak lagi perkara yang mengena'i kepentingan negara kita di- antara Malaysia dan Commonwealth ini, dapat juga di-semak balek sa-mula sa-bagaimana uchapan sahabat saya yang baharu berchakap tadi.
Banyak lagi perkara2, bukan-lah berkenaan tanah sahaja, tetapi banyak lagi perkara2 yang kita fikir patut boleh kita pinda dan ini akan meninggikan kedaulatan negara kita daripada negara2 lain.

ini, saya sa-kali Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam usul lagi memberi tahniah-lah kapada Menteri Kewangan yang telah berani membentangkan usul ini di-hadapan kita.
Kerana, pada masa ini, pada masa yang lampau, kita ini maseh lagi berhaluan kapada Britain, dan ini-lah, rasa saya, satu langkah yang sangat baik, ia-itu kita menuju kapada kedaulatan kita sendiri dan kita tidak berharap kapada negeri2 lain.
Sunggoh pun ada baik-nya—banyak perkara2 yang di-fikirkan baik pada masa kita hendak merdeka dahulu, ia-itu kita masok dalam Common wealth, tetapi sa-telah pada masa yang lampau ini, kita dapati banyak perkara2 di-dalam Commonwealth telah mengakibatkan keadaan negara kita kuchar-kachir.

Jadi, rasa saya, ini lagi langkah yang baik menuju arah kapada negara yang berdaulat dan merdeka.

Terima kaseh.
Terima kaseh.

itu Tuan Tan Slew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I am grateful to my Honourable friends on the Government benches for supporting these measures so fully and so ably.

still accord In reply to the Honourable Member for Bachok, I might add—in fact, I had referred to this aspect of the matter in my speech when proposing this motion—that we had no choice and we had to do what we did.
In spite of this, we to Commonwealth imports into Malaysia approximately the same value of preferences which are being accorded to Malaysian exports to Commonwealth countries.

As I have said previously, this matter before this exercise was a rather one sided affair in the sense that what we gave was far more than what we received.

In spite of this exercise, I think the balance is about right now.
I also agree with my Honourable friends on the Government benches that this measure has got a protective element, in that apart from the revenue aspects the measure we propose will give very much needed encouragement and assistance to our own domestic industries.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That this House resolves that in accordance with the powers vested in it by virtue of sub-section (2) of section 10 of the Customs Ordinance, the Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.
6) Order, 1966, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

65 of 1966 be confirmed.

1952, 2031 27 AUGUST 1966 2032 THE SABAH CUSTOMS ORDINANCE (CAP.

33) The Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) (No.

4) Order, 1966 Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move the following motion standing in my name, which has been put down on the Order Paper for today as item No.
3 : That this House resolves that in accordance with the powers vested in it by virtue of sub-section (3) of section 8 of the Sabah Customs Ordinance (Cap.

33), the Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) (No.

4) Order, 1966, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

66 of 1966 be confirmed.

This Order repeats most of what appears in the Customs Duties (Amend ment) (No.
6) Order, 1966, which has been confirmed by the House, and which applies to the Principal Customs Area of West Malaysia only.

I wish, however, to draw the attention of Honourable Members to the fact that in West Malaysia no import duty is collected on motor vehicles, but instead an ad valorem registration fee is levied.

In the States of East Malaysia, on the other hand, an import duty is collected with no ad valorem registra tion fee levied.
In effect, the import duty the in East Malaysia replaces ad valorem registration fee in West Malaysia.

The basis for collecting both these levies has now been made uniform.

Sir, I beg to move.

Tuan Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, motion ini atau usul ini tidak-lah bagitu berbeza pada dasar-nya dengan motion yang baru tadi.
Jadi, untok menambahkan lalu lagi pendapat saya berasaskan kapada apa2 yang saya telah katakan dalam motion yang lalu itu, saya suka-lah hendak mendapat keterangan lagi yang lebeh lanjut dan sehat lagi daripada Menteri Kewangan kita ia-itu di-dalam argument yang di-kemukakan oleh Menteri kita ini bahawa walau pun kita memansokhkan preferential duty itu, kedudokan ekonomi kita pada masa ini kita jamin elok lagi ia-itu perkara2 itu tidak menyentoh ketegohan balance of payment kita dengan negeri2 yang ber- kenaan—itu yang di-sebutkan oleh Menteri kita baharu sa-kejap tadi, ia-itu untok menguatkan hujah Menteri, Menteri kita berkata walau pun me mansokhkan preferential duty itu di- atas tindakan negeri Commonwealth terhadap exporter2 kita tidak tersentoh.
Jadi erti-nya mereka itu tidak-lah pula di-kenakan preferential duty dari segi negeri2 sana.

Jadi, itu-lah menjadi hujah kapada Menteri kita bahawa perkara itu tidak menyentoh balance of payment di-negeri kita.
Kalau pendapat saya ini tidak silap, saya faham daripada Menteri kita maka saya amat-lah berasa dukachita di-atas hujah2 itu, kerana kalau pada masa ini negeri itu tidak memansokh kan preferential duty terhadap kita sa- bagaimana kita melakukan, boleh jadi besok atau pun lusa harus di-mansokh- kan, maka hilang-lah hujah yang di- kemukakan oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri kita tadi.
Yang kedua, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apa yang di-sebut oleh Ahli daripada Kota Star Selatan tadi ia-itu memuji Kerajaan kita, khusus-nya Menteri kita ini, tentang berani-nya mengemukakan usul2 yang sa-macham ini dan beliau menarek perhatian satu peristiwa yang berlaku di-Estate Glugor yang di- punyal oleh sa-orang yang di-katakan nama-nya Brown, dan Dewan ini tentu- lah bersetuju dengan apa yang di- suarakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu dan kita harap di-Sabah pun akan di-perhatikan juga perkara2 ini.
Apa yang saya suka hendak mem- beritahu kapada Dewan ini yang saya tahu ia-itu tanah2 yang di-punyai atau yang di-mileki atau di-katakan di-mileki oleh Brown dan keluarga-nya di-Pulau Pinang itu tidak-lah boleh, dari segi undang2, kita hendak mengatakan orang itu menipu kita atau bagitu bagini, sebab yang saya tahu dalam sejarah— kalau saya tidak betul boleh di-per- betulkan—ia-itu orang ini membuat perjanjian dengan Raja2 Melayu bukan dengan policy Kerajaan.
Jadi, mithal- nya dia hendak buka kebun getah dia membeli tanah itu daripada Raja itu, jadi, erti-nya dia tidak beli daripada 2033 27 AUGUST 1966 2034 Kerajaan negeri itu.
Jadi, Kerajaan tidak ada berkuasa di-atas tanah itu, jadi menunjokkan, kalau-lah ada Raja2 itu menjual, maka Kerajaan tidak boleh berkata apa2 dan ini, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, kalau-lah sejarah yang saya bacha itu benar, saya bimbang takut di-negeri2 yang lagi di-dalam lain Malaysia kita ini ada tanah2 yang di- jual bagitu dan kalau-lah perkara ini ada terdengar angin2 ada di-Sabah dan di-Sarawak, patut-lah kita membuat daripada awal lagi, kita membuat lagi penyiasatan2 yang sa-macham itu.
terbau atau pun ada Ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bawakan kerana Ahli Yang Berhormat tadi memansokhkan pada hal usul yang sa-mata2 kena di-hadapan kita ini mengena dengan duty dan saya harap- lah Menteri kita ini memberi penera- ngan di-atas kebimbangan saya tadi.

Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Sir, in reply to the Honourable Member for Bachok, I should add that I do not think that this measure will significantly affect our balance of payments.
If there is any effect at all, it should be favourable, because I obviously this matter, that the removal of the pre ferential margins would decrease the imports of Commonwealth goods which are affected, and if that were to hap pen, there would, in fact, be a favour able effect on our balance of payments.

just possible, but is cannot forecast in it Question put, and agreed to.
Resolved, That this House resolves that in accordance with the powers vested in it by virtue of sub-section (3) of section 8 of the Sabah Customs Ordinance (Cap.

33), the Customs Duties (Sabah) (Amendment) (No.

4) Order, 1966, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

66 of 1966 be confirmed.

THE SARAWAK CUSTOMS ORDINANCE (CAP.

26) The Customs (Import and Export) Duties (Amendment) (No.
3) Order, 1966 Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move the following motion standing in my name which has been put down on the Order Paper as item No.

9: That this House resolves that in accordance with the powers vested in it by virtue of sub-section (3) of section 8 of the Sarawak Customs Ordinance (Cap.

26), the Customs (Import and Export) Duties (Amendment) (No.

3) Order, 1966, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

67 of 1966 be confirmed.


the Customs Duties In essence, this Order is identical (Sabah) with (Amendment) (No.

4) Order, 1966 and applies to Sarawak in the same way as the latter Order applies to Sabah.

Sir, I beg to move.

Tuan Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That this House resolves that in accordance with the powers vested in it by virtue of sub-section (3) of section 8 of the Sarawak Customs Ordinance (Cap.
26), the Customs (Import and Export) Duties (Amendment) (No.

3) Order, 1966, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

67 of 1966 be confirmed.

THE FIRST REPORT OF THE STANDING ORDERS COMMITTEE (THIRD THE SECOND HOUSE OF REPRESEN TATIVES (Paper No.

DR. 4 of 1966) SESSION) OF Tuan Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move the motion standing in the name of the Minister of Home Affairs, which has been put down as item No.
10 in the Order Paper, namely: That the Standing the first Report of Orders Committee (Third Session) of the Second House of Representatives, which has been presented to the House as Paper No.

DR. 4 of 1966, be adopted with effect from the end of this meeting.

Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Sir, I beg to second the motion.
Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: izin Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan Tuan, saya ingin memberi pendapat sadikit berkenaan dengan peratoran2 yang telah di-kemukakan oleh Jawatan- kuasa Standing Order ini.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya lebeh suka kalau sa-kira-nya perjalanan per- sidangan Dewan Ra'ayat kita ini ber- jalan mengikut waktu2 pejabat ia-itu office hours betul, tidak sa-bagaimana ini.
Sebab-nya yang ada sekarang 2035 27 AUGUST 1966 2036 bagini, Tuan di-Pertua, kita telah me- ngalami di-dalam Dewan ini berbagai2 keadaan, terkadang2 itu menyedehkan, terkadang2 itu memarahkan dan ter kadang2 meluchukan, ia-itu kita pernah meshuarat sampai pukul satu, sampai pukul dua dan terkadang2 dahulu-nya lapan.

kita meshuarat sampai pukul Ini menyebabkan contact kita dengan hidup sa-hari2 tidak sama, jadi kita bermeshuarat sampai pukul enam, office tutup sampai 4.30, mithal-nya, habis!
Jadi, erti-nya program kechergasan kita itu tidak sama dengan apa yang ber- laku.

Jadi, sa-patut-nya masa kita bekerja ini sama, kalau office habis 4.30, kita pun habis 4.30.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apabila kita samakan itu senang-lah kalau kita ada berjanji dengan orang 4.30 mithal-nya, lima minit lagi kita pun keluar elok sahaja pergi ambil dia.
Ini dia tunggu kadang2 kita bersidang sampai pukul enam, berapa banyak pula janji2 yang di-buat oleh Ahli Parlimen ini yang tidak dapat di-tunaikan dan orang itu tipu mengatakan Ahli Parlimen janji kita, dan melukakan hati2 orang yang berjanji itu pula.

ini Yang kedua-nya, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, kita sudah ada pengalaman di-dalam waktu bermeshuarat ini.

Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad: Saya hendak bertanya Ahli Yang Berhor- mat—janji apa yang di-katakan-nya itu, dan kapada siapa?
tersilap rupa-nya kita Tuan Hap Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Pada satu hari, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berjanji dengan isteri saya sendiri (Ketawa) ia-itu lepas office saya hen dak ambil dia—jadi dia memahami bahawa lepas office itu erti-nya 4.30.

Saya ini ber sidang sampai pukul lapan, maka dia dudok menunggu di-situ dan balek, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

Tuan Yang di- Pertua dapat menggambarkan dan dapat meramalkan bagaimana hebat- itu nya (Ketawa).
Jadi, ini kalau berlaku pada tidak mustahil-lah berlaku-nya saya, kapada Member2 yang juga, chuma Member2 lain itu dia sembunyi- kan keburokan-nya lebeh daripada dia meneheritakan kebaikan.

confrontation pada hari lain Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-lain dari pada itu persidangan kita terkadang2 lama, panjang dan kita berhajat juga hendak membacha, hendak refer, ka- sana ka-mari.
Kalau kita masok meshuarat, mithal-nya, berlain dari pada Office Hours kita tentu-lah berasa leteh dan banyak-lah member2 yang ter- tidak utama Rang Undang2.
ingin berchakap berkenaan langsong dengan Saya perhatikan dalam Dewan ini ia-lah banyak orang termasok-lah saya, bukan orang lain sahaja—kita ada beringin (interested) di-dalam benda2 yang berchorak political dan yang dalam polisi speech, yang boleh ber chakap mengikut pendapat masing2, tetapi Rang Undang2 sendiri yang men- jadi tugas bagi Parlimen ini memben- tok Rang Undang2 itu siapa pun tidak lebeh ada berchakap, di-antara 100 back-benchers Kerajaan.
Yang saya tahu sa-orang dua sahaja berchakap atas Rang Undang2, yang lain itu dia menggunakan masa-nya untok mem- sahaja.

Rang biasa beri Undang2 langsong, tidak di-tempoh padahal, ma'af Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam back-benchers Kerajaan ini ada loyar, ada orang yang berpengalaman bagitu bagini.
fikiran Jadi kita mengharapkan orang itu memberi fikiran dan saya sendiri sa- bagai Ahli yang muda di-dalam Dewan ini, saya rasa kalau orang itu bekerja juga penga menunai bagitu, dapat laman2 saya tetapi kalau dia orang itu lebeh malas lagi daripada saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, malas champor malas maka Dewan kita ini Tuan Abdul Razak bin Haji Hussin: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak-lah Yang Berhormat tahu kami ada-lah bagi pehak Kerajaan dan apa yang di-buat oleh Kerajaan itu kami telah runding- kan lebeh dahulu, sebab itu kami ta' berchakap.
Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: tahu-lah Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya kalau back-benchers itu tentu-lah me- tetapi di-dalam nyokong Kerajaan masaalah Rang Undang2 ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sendiri sudah hendak melihat membentok Rang Undang2 itu Ahli2 di-waktu bahawa 2037 27 AUGUST 1966 2038 berfikir back-benchers yang boleh selalu-nya tidak bagitu sama sangat dengan Kerajaan—ada contribution dia dan bagitu juga saya pernah masok di-dalam Select Committee, di-dalam Selection Committee.
Jadi erti-nya per- bezaan orang2 itu berfikir.

Jadi saya sayang sangat fikiran2 itu yang baik itu hanya di-tenggelamkan dengan satu kata ini ia-itu kami back-benchers menyokong Kerajaan sa-mata2, dalam polisi kita menyokong tetapi dalam membentok rang undang2 apa salah- nya kalau kita memberi contribution di-dalam itu.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sebab itu-lah Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita dapati Dewan kita ini selalu tidak chukup koram dan saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau Tuan Yang di-Pertua izinkan kapada saya, saya terpaksa meminta elaun lebeh kapada Tuan Yang di- Pertua, sebab saya selalu menolong supaya koram itu chukup (Ketawa).
tolong sa-bagai orang Jadi sudah dua tanggong-jawab saya dalam Dewan ini yang pertama sa- bagai ahli Dewan Ra'ayat dan yang kedua jaga koram (Ketawa), Jadi lepas konfrantasi ini saya berasa duit pun banyak, patut tuan hendak bagi tahu kapada Kera jaan supaya menambahkan elaun ahli2 Parlimen ini kalau tidak pada orang lain pun kapada satu ahli yang chergas yang menolong tuan menjalankan Dewan ini.

Terima kaseh.

(Tepok).


Tuan Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam Dewan ini kita ada bukan sahaja ahli2 Yang Berhormat biasa, tetapi juga Menteri2 jika meshuarat termasok-lah Yang Teramat Mulia Perdana Menteri kita dan Yang Amat Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri kita.

Maka ini di- adakan mengikut jam saperti pejabat2, ini akan mengganggu atau pun tidak membenarkan Menteri2 menjalankan kerja2 di-Kementerian yang mesti juga di-jalankan walau pun Parlimen bersi- dang.
Itu-lah sebab-nya maka perkara ini, dalam masa meshuarat ini, kita adakan saperti yang ada pada masa ini.

Masaalah Ahli Yang Berhormat itu meminta elaun, saya pun ta' tahu sama ada PAS ada berkuasa dalam Dewan ini hendak melantek dia membantu Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

Jadi oleh kerana dia itu sudah bengkerap sangat jadi dia minta-Iah elaun pada kita.

Agak-nya kita pun kasehan juga dengan dia Ttu, boleh jadi juga hendak minum kopi, hendak minum teh, hendak apa, waktu ada persidangan ini.
Boleh jadi kita boleh "pass-round" topi kita keluarkan 5 sen atau pun 10 sen (Ketawa) sa- orang kita boleh "contribute" kapada Fund Yang Berhormat dari Bachok itu.

Terima kaseh.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That the first Report of the Standing Orders Committee (Third Session) of the Second House of Representatives, which has been presented to the House as Paper No.

DR. 4 of 1966, be adopted with effect from the end of this meeting.

Mr (Deputy) Speaker: Meshuarat ini di-tanggohkan sine die.
Adjourned at 1.00 p.m.