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13 Tuesday 25th October, 1966 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) OFFICIAL REPORT THIRD SESSION OF THE SECOND PARLIAMENT OF MALAYSIA CONTENTS ANNOUNCEMENTS BY MR SPEAKER: Messages from the Senate to the House of Representatives [Col. 2209-2210] ASSENT TO BILLS [Col, 2211] ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 2212] LEAVE FOR ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE UNDER STANDING ORDER 18 (Motion)—Visit of President Johnson [Col. 2253] BILLS PRESENTED [Col. 2256] MOTIONS: The Treasury Bills (Local) Ordinance, 1946—Payment of moneys into the Development Fund specified in the Second Schedule to the Financial Procedure Ordinance, 1957 [Col. 2257] The Provisional Development Estimates, 1967 [Col. 2259] BILL: The Constitution (Amendment) Bill [Col. 2269] WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 2285] DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, A.M.N., PENCHETAK KERAJAAN KUALA LUMPUR 1967 MALAYSIA DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) Official Report Third Session of the Second Dewan Ra'ayat Tuesday, 25th October, 1966 The House met at Ten o'clock a.m.
PRESENT: The Honourable Mr Speaker, DATO' CHIK MOHAMED YUSUF BIN SHEIKH ABDUL RAHMAN, S.P.M.P., J.P., Dato' Bendahara, Perak.

the Prime Minister, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, Y.T.M.

TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M.

(Kuala Kedah).

the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence, Minister of National and Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N.

(Pekan).
(Pekan).

the Minister of Home Affairs and Minister of Justice, TUN DR ISMAIL BIN DATO* HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, S.S.M., P.M.N.

(Johor Timor).

the Minister of Finance, TUAN TAN SIEW SIN, J.P. (Melaka Tengah).

the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, TAN SRI V. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N.

(Sungei Siput).

the Minister of Transport, TAN SRI HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N.

(Pontian Utara).

the Minister of Health, TUAN BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah).
the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan).

the Minister for Welfare Services, TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT A LI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang).

the Minister for Local Government and Housing, TUAN KHAW KAI-BOH, P.J.K.

(Ulu Selangor).

the Minister of Labour, TUAN V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K.

(Klang).

the Minister of Information and Broadcasting, TUAN SENU BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Kubang Pasu Barat).
the Minister of Lands and Mines, TUAN ABDUL-RAHMAN BIN YA'KUB (Sarawak).

the Assistant Minister without Portfolio, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara).

2203 25 OCTOBER 1966 2204 The Honourable the Assistant Minister of National and Rural Development, TUAN SULAIMAN BIN BULON (Bagan Datoh).

the Assistant Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, DATO' ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ABDUL KADIR, J.M.N., S.M.T., P.J.K.

(Trengganu Tengah).
(Trengganu Tengah).

the Assistant Minister of Finance, DR NG KAM POH, J.P. (Teluk Anson).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health, TUAN IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Labour, TUAN LEE SAN CHOON, K.M.N.

(Segamat Selatan).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance, TUAN A LI BIN HAJI AHMAD (Pontian Selatan).

TUAN ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N.

(Melaka Utara).

TUAN ABDUL KARIM BIN ABU, A.M.N.

(Melaka Selatan).
(Melaka Selatan).

WAN ABDUL KADIR BIN ISMAIL, P.P.T.

(Kuala Trengganu Utara).

WAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN DATU TUANKU BUJANG, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB, P J .

K. (Kuantan).

TUAN HAJI ABDUL RASHID BIN HAJI JAIS (Sabah).

TUAN ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSSAIN (Lipis).

TUAN ABDUL SAMAD BIN GUL AHMAD MIANJI (Pasir Mas Hulu).

DATO' ABDULLAH BIN ABDULRAHMAN, Dato' Bijaya di-Raja (Kuala Trengganu Selatan).

Y.A.M.

TUNKU ABDULLAH IBNI AL-MARHUM TUANKU ABDUL RAHMAN, P.P.T.

(Rawang).
(Rawang).

TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD.

SALLEH, A.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S.

(Segamat Utara).

TUAN A BU BAKAR BIN HAMZAH (Bachok).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kelantan Hilir).

TUAN AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N.

(Muar Utara).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAAID, J.P. (Seberang Utara).

PUAN AJIBAH BINTI ABOL (Sarawak).

TUAN AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam).

PENGARAH BANYANG ANAK JANTTNG, P.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N.

(Kluang Selatan).

„ TUAN CHAN SEONG YOON (Setapak).

TUAN CHAN SIANG SUN, P.J.K.


(Bentong).

TUAN CHEW BIOW CHUON (Bruas).

TUAN CHIA CHIN SHIN, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN FRANCIS CHIA NYUK TONG (Sabah).

TUAN CHIN FOON (Ulu Kinta).

TUAN D. A. DAGO ANAK RANDAN alias DAGOK ANAK RANDEN (Sarawak).

TUAN EDWIN ANAK TANGKUN (Sarawak).

2205 25 OCTOBER 1966 2206 The Honourable TUAN SYED ESA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S.

(Batu Pahat Dalam).

DATIN HAJJAH FATIMAH BINTI HAJI ABDUL MAJID (Johor Bahru Timor).

TAN SRI FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N.


(Jitra-Padang Terap).

TUAN S. FAZUL RAHMAN, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

TUAN GANING BIN JANGKAT (Sabah).

TUAN GEH CHONG KEAT, K.M.N.

(Penang Utara).

TUAN HAJI HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Kapar).

TUAN HANAFI BIN MOHD.

YUNUS, A.M.N., J.P. (Kulim Utara).

TUAN HANAFIAH BIN HUSSAIN, J.M.N.

(Jerai).

TUAN HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N., J.P. (Baling).

WAN HASSAN BIN WAN DAUD (Tumpat).

TUAN STANLEY HO NGUN KHIU, A.D.K.

(Sabah).


TUAN HUSSEIN BIN T O' MUDA HASSAN, A.M.N.

(Raub).

TUAN HUSSEIN BIN SULAIMAN (Ulu Kelantan).

TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN (Kota Bharu Hulu).

TUAN IKHWAN ZAINI (Sarawak).

TUAN ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan).

TUAN KADAM ANAK KIAI (Sarawak).

TUAN KAM WOON WAH, J.P. (Sitiawan).

TUAN THOMAS KANA (Sarawak).

TUAN KHOO PENG LOONG (Sarawak).

TUAN EDMUND LANGGU ANAK SAGA (Sarawak).

TUAN LEE SECK FUN, K.M.N.

(Tanjong Malim).


TUAN AMADEUS MATHEW LEONG, A.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).

DR LIM CHONG EU (Tanjong).

TUAN L IM PEE HUNG, P.J.K.

(Alor Star).

DR MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMAD (Kota Star Selatan).

TUAN T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson).

TUAN C. JOHN UNDU MAJAKIL (Sabah).

TUAN JOSEPH DAVID MANJAJI (Sabah).

DATO' DR HAJI MEGAT KHAS, D.P.M.P., J.P., P.J.K.

(Kuala Kangsar).

TUAN MOHD.

ARIF SALLEH, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

DATO' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA, S.P.M.K.

(Pasir Puteh).
(Pasir Puteh).

ORANG TUA MOHAMMAD DARA BIN LANGPAD (Sabah).

TUAN MOHD.

DAUD BIN ABDUL SAMAD (Besut).

TUAN MOHAMED IDRIS BIN MATSIL, J.M.N., P.J.K., J.P. (Jelebu-Jempol).

TUAN MOHD.

TAHIR BIN ABDUL MAJID, S.M.S., P.J.K.

(Kuala Langat).

TUAN MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N.

(Temerloh).

2207 25 OCTOBER 1966 2208 The Honourable TUAN MOHD.

ZAHIR BIN HAJI ISMAIL, J.M.N.

(Sungei Patani).

WAN MOKHTAR BIN AHMAD (Kemaman).

TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan).
TUAN MUHAMMAD FAKHRUDDIN BIN HAJI ABDULLAH (Pasir Mas Hilir).

TUAN HAJI MUHAMMAD SU'AUT BIN HAJI MUHD.

TAHIR, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

DATO' HAJI MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI ABDUL JABAR, D.P.M.S., A.M.N., J.P. (Sabak Bernam).

TUAN MUSTAPHA BIN AHMAD (Tanah Merah), TAN SRI N IK AHMAD KAMIL, D.K., S.P.M.K., S.J.M.K., P.M.N., P.Y.G.P., Dato' Sri Setia Raja (Kota Bharu Hilir).

TUAN NG FAH YAM (Batu Gajah).

TUAN ONG KEE H UI (Sarawak).

TUAN HAJI OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Hilir Perak).

TUAN OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.


(Perlis Utara).

TUAN HAJI RAHMAT BIN HAJI DAUD, A.M.N.

(Johor Bahru Barat).

TUAN RAMLI BIN OMAR (Krian Darat).

TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD.

SAID, P.J.K., J.P. (Rembau-Tampin).

RAJA ROME BIN RAJA MA'AMOR, PJ.K., J.P. (Kuala Selangor).

TUAN SANDOM ANAK NYUAK (Sarawak).

TUAN SEAH TENG NGIAB, P.I.S.

(Muar Pantai).

TUAN D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh).

DATO' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM, D.P.M.P., P.M.P., J.P. (Menglembu).

TUAN SIM BOON LIANG, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).


TUAN SIOW LOONG HIN, PJ.K.

(Seremban Barat).

TUAN SNAWI BIN ISMAIL, PJ.K.

(Seberang Selatan).

TUAN SNG CHIN JOO (Sarawak).

TUAN SOH AH TECK (Batu Pahat).

TUAN SULEIMAN BIN A LI (Dungun).

TUAN SULEIMAN BIN HAJI TAIB (Krian Laut).

PENGIRAN TAHIR PETRA (Sabah).

TUAN TAJUDDIN BIN A L I, P.J.K.

(Larut Utara).

TUAN TAI KUAN YANG (Kulim Bandar Bharu).

TUAN TAMA WENG TINGGANG WAN (Sarawak).

DR TAN CHEE KHOON (Batu).

TUAN TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan).


TUAN TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka).

TUAN TAN TOH HONG (Bukit Bintang).

TUAN TAN TSAK YU (Sarawak).

TUAN TOH THEAM HOCK (Kampar).

2209 25 OCTOBER 1966 2210 The Honourable TUAN Y EH PAO TZE (Sabah).

TUAN STEPHEN YONG KUET TZE (Sarawak).

TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAH MOHD.

TAIB, P.J.K.

(Langat).

The Honourable the Minister of Education, TUAN MOHAMED KHIR JOHARI ABSENT: (Kedah Tengah).

the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, TUAN HAJI MOHD.
GHAZALI BIN HAJI JAWI (Ulu Perak).

the Minister for Sabah Affairs, TUN DATU MUSTAPHA BIN DATU HARUN, S.M.N., P.D.K.

(Sabah).

the Assistant Minister of Education, TUAN LEE SIOK Y E W, A.M.N., P.J.K., (Sepang).

O.K.K.

DATU ALIUDDIN BIN DATU HARUN, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

DR AWANG BIN HASSAN, S.M.J.

(Muar Selatan).

TUAN JONATHAN BANGAU ANAK RENANG, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN CHEN WING SUM (Damansara) TUAN C. V. DEVAN NAIR (Bungsar).

DATU GANIE GILONG, P.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).

DATO' HAJI HUSSEIN BIN MOHD.


NOORDIN, D.P.M.P., A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Parit).

TAN SRI SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, P.M.N.

(Johor Tenggara).

PENGHULU JINGGUT ANAK ATTAN, Q.M.C., A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

DATO' LING BENG SIEW, P.N.B.S.

(Sarawak).

TUAN LIM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat).

TUAN PETER LO SU Y IN (Sabah).

TUAN QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Timor).

TUAN TIAH ENG BEE (Kluang Utara).

P R A Y E RS (Mr Speaker in the Chair) Sekarang saya minta Setia-usaha Majlis Majlis ini.
A N N O U N C E M E NT BY MR SPEAKER (Whereupon Messages): the Clerk reads the (Message from the Senate to the MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE House of Representatives dated 6th TO THE HOUSE OF REPRESEN- September, 1966): membachakan perutusan itu kapada speaker, ''Mr TATIVES Mr Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, saya hendak mema'alumkan ia-itu saya telah menerima dua perutusan yang Bills.'
bertarikh 6 dan 20 haribulan Septem- ber, 1966, daripada Yang di-Pertua Dewan Negara, berkenaan dengan perkara2 yang tertentu yang telah di- ini, minta di- hantar oleh Majlis oleh Dewan Negara.
persetujukan The Senate has agreed to the following (1) to amend the Constitution in con- sequence of the passing of the Constitution and Malaysia (Singa- pore Amendment) Act, 1965, and to provide for certain other matters; 2211 25 OCTOBER 1966 2212 for Fund (2) to apply sums out of the Conso additional lidated expenditure for the service of the year 1966 and to appropriate such sums for certain purposes; (3) to amend the Merchant Shipping (Amendment) Act, 1966; (4) to amend the Road Traffic Ordi nance, 1958; (5) to amend the Dangerous Drugs Ordinance, 1952; (6) to amend the Central Bank of Malaysia Ordinance, 1958; (7) to amend the Tin Industry and Development) (Research Fund Ordinance, 1953; (8) to amend the Rubber Industry (Replanting) Fund Ordinance, 1952; (9) to amend the Local Government Elections Act, 1960; without amendment.
(Sd.)

DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, President'' the Senate (Message from the House of Representatives dated 20th September, 1966): "Mr Speaker, to The Senate has agreed to the Bill to amend the Federal Constitution and to make provision with respect to certain constitutional matters in the State of Sarawak, consequent upon a Proclama tion of Emergency having been issued and being in force in that State, without amendment.

(Sd.)
(Sd.)

DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, President9 ASSENT TO BILLS Mr Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, saya hendak mema'alumkan kapada Majlis ini bahawa Duli Yang Maha Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda Yang di- Pertuan Agong telah memperkenankan Rang Undang2 berikut yang telah di- luluskan oleh Parlimen baharu2 ini: 1.

Constitution 1966.

(Amendment) Bill, 2.

Supplementary Supply (1966) Bill, 1966.

3.

Central Bank of Malaysia (Amend ment) Bill, 1966.

4.

Merchant Shipping (Amendment) Bill, 1966.

5.


Road Traffic (Amendment) (No.

2) Bill, 1966.

6.

Dangerous Drugs Bill, 1966.

(Amendment) 7.

Tin Industry (Research and De (Amendment) velopment) Fund Bill, 1966.

9.

Local 8.

Rubber (Replanting) Industry Fund (Amendment) Bill, 1966.

Government (Amendment) (No.

2), 1966.

10.

Emergency (Federal Constitution and Constitution of Sarawak) Bill, 1966.

Elections ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS KEADAAN PERHUBONGAN DI- ANTARA NEGARA2 COMMON WEALTH 1.
Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah (Bachok) bertanya kapada Menteri Luar Negeri bagaimana-kah keadaan perhubongan di-antara negara2 Com monwealth yang di-katakan telah men- jadi renggang pada masa ini; dan ada- kah Kerajaan akan menarek diri dari Pertubohan memandang tersebut kapada keadaan yang genting ini.

Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya tidak sedar bahawa ada- nya renggang antara negara2 di-dalam Commonwealth sa-bagaimana yang di- katakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu.
Sa-bagaimana Ahli Yang Berhormat telah pun mengetahui, negeri2 di-dalam Commonwealth ada-lah negeri2 yang merdeka, yang berdaulat, masing2 ada hak berfikir ikut sesuai dengan negeri masing2.
Dengan kerana itu ada-lah apabila ada perbinchangan atau pun perjumpaan di-dalam Commonwealth, tiap2 satu negeri mengeluarkan fikiran masing2 berkenaan dengan tiap2 satu perkara yang di-binchangkan itu; tetapi dengan kerana berlainan suara, fikiran, hendak di-sifatkan sa-bagai pendirian 2213 25 OCTOBER 1966 2214 masing2 ada-lah renggang—itu tidak sa- benar-nya.
Dan juga, sa-bagaimana soal Ahli Yang Berhormat ada-kah Malaysia ini berchadang hendak menarek diri dari- sa-bagaimana pada Commonwealth yang di-sebutkan dengan keadaan yang timbul sa-bagaimana yang telah lalu itu, saya tidak ada chadangan hendak menarek diri daripada Commonwealth, sebab ada berselisehan fikiran.

Kita berbinchang sa-bagaimana negeri dalam Commonwealth dan kalau ada perseli- sehan tidak menyebabkan hendak tarek diri daripada Common wealth.
fikiran Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Soalan tambahan, ada pun berita2 yang sampai kapada saya berkenaan dengan keadaan genting itu bukan sahaja kita dapati di-dalam akhbar2 tempatan, tetapi akhbar2 luar negeri juga.
Kalau bagitu soalan tambahan saya ini ia-lah dapat-kah Yang Berhormat Menteri Luar kita memberi jaminan di-dalam Dewan ini, bahawa keadaan perselisehan faham di-dalam Meshuarat Common wealth itu ada-lah perselisehan biasa sahaja tidak merupakan perselisehan yang membawa kapada berpechah-nya negara2 Commonwealth ini, dapat-kah Perdana Menteri kita, sa-bagai Menteri Luar Negeri, memberi jaminan di-dalam Dewan ini?
Perdana Menteri: Macham mana saya hendak bagi jaminan, bukan saya sa-orang sahaja daripada Malaysia, sa- orang Commonwealth itu, banyak negeri yang ada di-situ masing2, bagai- mana saya kata tadi, boleh memberi fikiran masing2.

Jadi barangkali negeri2 yang berkait dalam soal Rhodesia itu yang tak puas hati di-atas apa yang telah berlaku hendak menarek diri mereka itu.

Jadi, tentang mana yang saya boleh tahan dia itu?

Jadi, sa-takat diri Malaysia saya mengaku yang itu.
tadi tambahan, boleh tidak bagitu Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: jadi soalan Soalan saya terang yang menyebabkan Peradan Menteri kita menjawab tidak betul.

Saya bertanya ada-kah dapat Yang Berhormat Menteri jaminan Luar Negeri kita memberi dalam Dewan ini bahawa perselisehan yang telah berlaku itu bukan-lah per selisehan yang luar biasa—bukan yang akan datang—yang telah berlaku itu.

Jadi erti-nya perselisehan biasa pada masa itu.


Perdana Menteri: Saya ingat2 dalam masa tujoh tahun lama-nya yang saya hadzir di-Persidangan Commonwealth barangkali ini-lah yang boleh di-kata- kan perfanchangan yang dahshat yang telah berlaku di-dalam Persidangan Commonwealth itu.

Jadi, dengan kerana ini bukan-lah kita kata perselisehan itu perselisehan yang biasa, boleh di-kata- tetapi sesuai dengan kan luar biasa keadaan Commonwealth, bagaimana saya kata, masing2 berhak mengeluar- kan fikiran masing2.
Jadi, ini saya harap sahaja jadi supaya berpechah2 dan ada negara2 yang boleh menarek diri.

Sa-takat ini sahaja dapat saya jawab.

tidak-lah KERAJAAN MALAYSIA MENJADI ORANG TENGAH UNTOK PER- DAMAIAN DI-ANTARA VIETNAM UTARA DAN VIETNAM SELATAN 2.

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah bertanya kapada Menteri Luar Negeri ada-kah Kerajaan berchadang hendak menjadi "orang tengah" dalam merintis jalan untok menchapai perdamaian di- antara Vietnam Utara dan Vietnam Selatan bersengketa sekarang ini.
sedang yang Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, ini ada-lah satu daripada chita2 Malaysia supaya apa yang berlaku di- Vietnam dapat di-selesaikan.

Dan chita2 ini boleh di-katakan di-rasa'i oleh tiap2 negeri yang berpegang tegoh kapada keamanan dunia.

Tetapi, apa yang berlaku di-Vietnam ini satu hal yang luar biasa, kerana pertelengkahan atau pergadohan di- ini ada-lah berlaku dalam Vietnam bukan sahaja antara saudara2 tetapi orang2 laur champor tangan dengan perkara2 pertelingkahan atau pun per ini.
Maka ada-lah negeri2 gadohan dalam dua bloc, satu bloc kominis, satu anti-kominis atau non-kominis atau pun satu bloc demokrasi.

2215 25 OCTOBER 1966 2216 Apa yang telah berlaku dahulu itu telah di-selesaikan dengan persetujuan kedua2 pehak bahawa di-dalam Geneva Agreement itu kominis ada-lah terpaksa balek kapada perenggan mereka dan dengan itu dapat-lah pertelingkahan ini reda.
Hendak selesaikan sa-chara lang- song tidak boleh; sebab sukarelawan2 tertinggal daripada Utara telah pun Vietnam di-dalam South Vietnam atau Selatan Vietnam.

Dengan ada-nya ke- adaan yang demikian, pergadohan ini telah berpanjang2 sampai pada hari ini.

Amerika telah masok champor tangan, kerana hendak memeliharakan ke- bebasan, kemerdekaan dan kedaulatan South Vietnam.
Jadi, apabila hendak selesaikan per gadohan antara saudara2 dalam Viet nam itu tentu-lah bloc kominis dan juga bloc anti-kominis yang telah ber champor tangan dan berchampor suara itu akan ambil bahagian yang penting.

Jadi, dengan kerana ini sa-buah negeri tidak dapat-lah hendak menyelesaikan melainkan dua bloc itu telah pun ber- setuju.
Jadi dengan kerana itu tak-lah berhak dan tak-lah layak negeri sa- bagai Malaysia ini yang paling kechil hendak menjadikan orang tengah di- dalam pertelingkahan yang telah ber laku.

Pehak kita, kita telah menjalan- kan hendak menyelesaikan tetapi apa boleh buat, bagaimana saya kata ini, bukan satu buah negeri atau pun dua buah negeri sahaja yang berchampor tangan dalam hal Vietnam ini bahkan negeri2 yang besar2, dan banyak.
berbagai2 perchubaan Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan tambahan.

Ada-kah ini bererti bahawa Kerajaan kita tidak sanggup chuba menjadi orang tengah di-dalam persengketaan itu kerana negeri kita menganggap diri- nya tidak layak menjadi orang tengah atau pun tidak sanggup menjadi orang tengah memandang kapada kerumitan masaalah itu sudah menjadi masaalah antara bangsa.

Yang mana satu yang tidak dudok-nya menyebabkan kita sanggup menjadi orang tengah ini?
Perdana Menteri: Semua tergaul dalam perkara soal Vietnam ini.

Jadi, tidak dapat hendak jadi orang tengah.

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan tamba han.

Kalau sa-kira-nya Kerajaan rasa tidak sanggup, sanggup-kah Kerajaan menerima orang2 Pembangkang ini untok membantu Kerajaan bagi usaha menjadi orang tengah?

Perdana Menteri: Katakan lagi sa- kali.

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: tambahan, Tuan Yang di- Soalan Pertua.
Oleh kerana rumit-nya keadaan di-Vietnam itu maka Kerajaan kita sekarang ini memandang tidak sanggup hendak menjadi orang tengah.

Kalau Kerajaan sekarang yang berkuasa ini rasa tidak sanggup, ada-kah Kerajaan sekarang ini bersedia meminta tolong kapada pehak Pembangkang ini meno- long Kerajaan supaya dapat sanggup?

Perdana Menteri: Sila-lah (Ketawa).

OUTCOME OF DELIBERATIONS ON THE IAN SMITH REGIME BY THE PRIME MINISTERS' CON FERENCE 3.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Foreign Affairs what was the final outcome of the deliberations regarding the illegal Ian Smith Regime, and is the Prime Minister satisfied that everything has been done to topple the Ian Smith Regime.

The Prime Minister: The outcome of the Prime Ministers' Conference has been conveyed to the Smith Regime and, as far as I know, as late as the the British 15th of October, and Government is still awaiting the reply from Smith.
If he does not give a satisfactory reply, I understand that the British Government will bring up to the United Nations the question of selective mandatory sanction as was decided at the Commonwealth Prime Ministers' Conference.

As far as I can see, everything has been done to bring to Smith to his senses.

It is difficult say that everything has been done to topple the Smith Regime, short of war.

I do not believe that Smith Regime can be toppled, short of war.
I do not believe any country would like to go to war for the sake of toppling the 2217 25 OCTOBER 1966 2218 Smith Regime, because this is a matter which is understood by all to be purely a domestic affair of Britain and is a matter for which Britain is responsible.

There was a Prime Minister of a State who during a television interview, suggested war to topple Smith Regime, but when he was questioned whether his country would send its army to help fight the Smith Regime, his reply it"?
was "Who is going to pay for That is the attitude of everyone.

So, I cannot think how the Smith Regime can be toppled, when nobody wants.

To the best of my belief everything has been done to bring Smith to his sense.

I do not think that we can do any more than that.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Prime Minister had mentioned selective mandatory sanction.
The question I wish to pose is, why should it be selective and why not total mandatory sanction by the United Nations to topple this illegal, racialist regime?

in The Prime Minister: A general sanction would affect many other the African continent.

countries Therefore, they have selected certain goods, certain commodities, on which sanction should be applied—that is why it is called selective sanction, and that has been agreed to by most members of the Commonwealth.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Is the Honour aware that able Prime Minister the United sanction, whether by Nations, or by the former League of Nations against Italy in her aggression against Abyssinia has not been suc cessful?

Consequently this Govern ment, like any other Government, which believes in freedom and demo cracy, should find other ways of toppling this Smith Regime.
toppling The Prime Minister: As I said just now, Mr Speaker, Sir, there is no other way of the Smith Regime, except to declare war against Smith.

That is one of the questions which I put forward at the Common wealth Prime Ministers' Conference the last in London time and the that answer which I got from the British it was not Government was possible to wage war against Rhodesia because of the difficulty of getting there.
There is no way of getting to Rhodesia except by air, and the Rhodesian Government were to destroy is no way of the airfield, conveying to Rhodesia; troops and, therefore, the question of waging war against Smith is absolutely out.

there the if Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Is the Honour able Prime Minister telling this House, and the world, that the Smith Regime cannot be toppled vi et arm is by force of arms, and act of war.
Is the Honourable the Prime Minister aware that there are guerillas in Rhodesia itself now, and that more are being in African countries outside trained the Smith topple of Rhodesia Regime?

Is the Honourable the Prime Minister aware that—may I quote a biblical quotation?—"Those who live by the the sword, shall perish by sword".

Consequently, what steps will this Government take to help those to topple the Smith Regime by measures that I have mentioned just now?
to The Prime Minister: The Honour able Member knows about all these guerilla warfare.

We had 12 years of it and I thought we had enough.

What they are having in Vietnam is giving the world, not only ourselves, enough headache.

Everybody is trying to break up the fight that is going on between the two warring parties in Vietnam.

Now, he is suggesting that we should go on for another guerilla warfare in Rhodesia.

I am not with him on this matter.


Dato' S. P. Seenivasagam: The Honourable Prime Minister said that there was no way of waging war against Rhodesia, because the only way of getting troops across would be by air, and they could destroy the airfields.

But we have America which pretends to be very keen on preserving demo cracy everywhere; perhaps, an appeal to them to send paratroops could be made, or would it be that the reply is, "We are not prepared to bomb white people"?
2219 25 OCTOBER 1966 2220 The Prime Minister: That I do not know.

It is a matter of opinion.

toppling Dr Lim Chong Eu: Arising from the reply given by the Honourable Prime Minister, I would like to seek clarification.
Will the Honourable Prime Minister state categorically, one way or the other, whether it is the policy of this Government to engage in war as a means of the Smith Government or not, because from the replies by the Honourable Prime Minister, it appears as though that there reasons why war are two primary cannot be conducted: (1) nobody is going to foot the bill; (2) the difficulties of the logistics of war.
If, in fact, somebody foots the bill, or if the logis tic problem can be solved, would the Government, on principle, accept war the Smith as a method of Regime?

toppling I had ex The Prime Minister: pressed my opinion at the Prime Ministers' Conference that I did not believe in war.

But, I suppose, when things come to the worst, I do not exclude war.
the Prime Minister aware of Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, is the Honourable Prime Minister aware of this news item that appeared in the Sin Chew Jit Poh of September 16, Page 9—I have here a translation of it: "Is the adverse reactions of the Africans towards the policy stand of Malaysia at the Con ference, and they have made press statements implying that our country has said one thing in Malaysia and in London says something different, that they can excuse stupidity, they cannot excuse falsehood and that an Asian country that has overcome colonialism should be able to understand the sufferings of the Africans in Rhodesia."
information, but lack of that Mr Speaker, Sir, may we have the reply of the Prime Minister to this news item that appeared in the Sin Chew Jit Poh?

The Prime Minister: It is quite easy to reply, Mr Speaker, Sir.

What takes place at the Conference is the right attitude which I have taken.
Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Speaker, Sir, arising out of the Honourable Prime Minister's reply to my supplementary question—he said that if things come to the worst he would not exclude war— would the Honourable Prime Minister, therefore, accept that in modern terms war also includes guerilla forms of warfare.

The Prime Minister: It is so.

(Laughter).

STATE VISIT OF PRESIDENT JOHNSON TO MALAYSIA 4.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Foreign Affairs, what are the real reasons for the invitation to President Johnson to pay a State visit to this country, and is the Government contemplating any secret deal with President Johnson to send Malaysian troops to Vietnam.

The Prime Minister: The Honour able Member wants to know the real reasons for inviting the President of the United States to pay a visit to this country.
Sir, the real reason is that President Johnson has a standing invi tation to visit Malaysia, and we are greatly honoured that he has found time amidst his many arduous duties to come here at this time, when he is involved with meetings and visiting other countries, who are involved—or who are sharing the burden with him— in trying to fight back the communist forces trying to violate the sovereignty of South Vietnam.
It is not right for the Honourable Member to impute a motive to this visit by saying—"Is the Government contemplating any secret deal with President Johnson to send Malaysia troops to Vietnam."

President Johnson knows, quite well our involve ment in our own country, and that we to have not got the troop to spare send anywhere.

It the is not right Honourable Member impute bad motives for this visit.
We are, in fact, returning the kindness which we have received at the hands of the American Government for, as far as I am con there cerned, I have been received twice and given a very, very fine welcome, and the least we could do is to reciprocate that kindness by inviting him to come here and so, this is what to 2221 25 OCTOBER 1966 2222 he has done.

There is no reason, no motive, behind this invitation at all.
that is not aware Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, perhaps the Honourable the Prime Minister secret diplomatic deals are very common, not only in these modern ages but in times past.

Is the Honourable Prime Minister aware of the purported statement by the Deputy Prime Minister that Malay to send Malaysian sia was willing troops to South Vietnam—and this was denied later by the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister.
The question I wish to pose is this: is this a trial balloon by the Malaysian Government to judge the reactions of this country, or is it a trial balloon by the Americans to judge the reactions of the people of this country, in order to get Asian support for what is admit tedly an act of naked aggression against Asians.

the people in The Prime Minister: I do not think that has got anything to do with this question.
The Honourable Member is aware of the wrong report made on what the Deputy Prime Minister was supposed to have said.

This visit is entirely and purely a friendly visit of goodwill and friendship, and I ask that the people of this country, whether they be in the Opposition or on the side of the Government, should accord the President the welcome which he deser ves as President of the United States.

(Applause).
ia-lah Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan tam- bahan: oleh kerana sudah jelas kapada kita bahawa lawatan President Johnson ini lawatan persahabatan sa- mata2, tidak ada kena-mengena dengan pakatan atau pun rundingan tentera, oleh kerana lawatan itu lawatan per sahabatan, ada-kah termasok di-dalam jadual lawatan di-Malaysia ini melawat negeri Kelantan (Ketawa), supaya Pre sident itu dapat melihat dengan mata-nya sendiri bagaimana miskin dan kurus-nya orang2 Kelantan itu—ada-kah jadual termasok dalam lawatan President Johnson itu?
Johnson The Prime Minister: Lawatan Presi dent itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-lah sengkat masa-nya.

Kalau lama boleh- lah pergi ka-Kelantan—lain kali-lah kita harap.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, may I ask the Honourable Prime Minister if he is aware that President Johnson is an expert at twisting the arms both of Congressmen and of Senate Members?

Mr Speaker: That different question.


is entirely a Dr Tan Chee Khoon: This has to do with his visit Mr Speaker: Yes, but this arm twisting has nothing to do with his visit.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Is the Presi dent of America coming here to ask us to join a pact against communism in return for a small pottage of gold that we have seen being given to another foreign country in Asia?

in The Prime Minister: All that exist only the Honourable Member's fertile imagination.
I have nothing to add I have said earlier (Laughter).

to what Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, is the Honourable Prime Minister aware that all the powers gathered in Manila now, particularly South Korea, South Vietnam, Philippines, depend on aid from the United States and have been described as satellites of the United States.

If we come to any secret deal with President Johnson on this visit, we become yet another satellite of the United States of America.

The Prime Minister: I have nothing to add.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, is the Honourable Prime Minister aware that the Manila Confab has been described as a Council of war, and that the three non-aligned nations that met India, in New Delhi, namely, U.A.R., Yugoslavia, have asked for the unconditional cessation of bombing and withdrawal of American troops from South Vietnam?
If so, will the Honour able Prime Minister convey to President 2223 25 OCTOBER 1966 2224 Johnson that this is also the sentiment shared by and large by a large section of the people of this country.

AN HONOURABLE MEMBER: Who says?

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: I say.

The Prime Minister: I am aware that the Honourable Member is speak ing the language of the communists (Applause).
just said Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: Mr Spea ker, Sir, the Honourable Prime Minister has that Opposition or otherwise should welcome the visit of President Johnson.

Perhaps there will be some who do that, but may I ask whether this Government will maintain the democratic and allow to show demonstrate peacefully resentment by sections of the people against President Johnson's appearance on Malaysian soil—peaceful demons tration expressing those sentiments.
right and The Prime Minister: When there is a demonstration, it is very hard to keep them to peaceful demonstration, particularly in a country like Malaysia, where the people who are going to hold the demonstration are mostly connected with those who are known to be disloyal to this country; and I think that it is the duty of every leader to try and prevent any incident that is likely to cause embarrassment to this country.
It is up to us to extend the hospitality for which this country has been known throughout the world to the United States, the President of whose country is a great friend of ours.

That is about all I can say.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, is the Honourable Prime Minister aware of this news item that appeared the 24th in October, is reported to have said that: the Straits Times of 1966.

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because both countries placed their trust to protect the minority's right to express its opinion.

they were bound in democracy And we cannot insist that we speak in a whisper."

Mr Speaker, Sir, the question I wish the Honourable Prime to pose to Minister is this: Will the Honourable few State Prime Minister allow a Assemblymen and, perhaps, a few Members of Parliament, led by me, to picket at the Subang Airport at the arrival of President Johnson?
Surely, being a man of peace rather than of violence (Laughter), I can assure the Honourable Prime Minister that I will do President Johnson no harm.

The Prime Minister: No, Sir, defi nitely I will not allow any picketing at the Airport.

PERSATUAN COMMONWEALTH NEGARA2 ISLAM 5.


Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah bertanya kapada Menteri Luar Negeri nyatakan kemajuan yang di-chapai oleh Kerajaan dalam usaha-nya menu- bohkan sa-buah Persatuan Common wealth Negara2 Islam, sa-bagaimana yang di-suarakan oleh Perdana Men teri tidak berapa lama dahulu, dan ada-kah Kerajaan akan meneruskan usaha2-nya sa-hingga chita2 itu men- jadi kenyataan.
tetapi chadangan The Prime Minister: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, ada-lah saya telah berchadang beberapa tahun dahulu supaya negeri2 Islam dapat menubohkan satu Com monwealth, saya tidak di-terima oleh negeri2 Islam di- katakan besar2, tambahan pula seka- rang ini kebanyakan negeri2 Islam boleh di-katakan tiada-lah baik antara satu dengan lain, ada yang besar2 yang tiada perasaan baik antara satu dengan lain.
Dengan yang demikian susah hendak Islam, satu Commonwealth adakan tetapi saya tidak menafikan yang per- kara ini sangat2 baik, kerana banyak soal2 berkenaan dengan ugama dapat di-binchangkan dan dapat-lah me- negohkan perasaan muhibbah, kaseh mesra antara satu negeri Islam dengan lain bagaimana sabda Rasulullah dalam hadith2 dahulu itu.

Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Soalan tambahan.


Saya sukachita juga hendak memberitahu kapada Yang Teramat Mulia Perdana Menteri kita ia-itu chadangan yang di-kemukakan- nya itu bukan tidak mendapat sam- butan.
Dalam lawatan saya ka-Timor 2225 25 OCTOBER 1966 2226 Tengah banyak orang memuji cha- itu, tetapi sa-tengah2 tokoh dangan politik itu menyatakan luar negeri bahawa chadangan itu baik, tetapi baik di-ikuti dengan usaha2 yang berkesan, sebab itu-lah saya bertanya sa-kali lagi ada-kah Kerajaan kita ini bersedia untok mengemukakan satu perojek yang betul2 berkesan dalam perkara ini atau pun sa-mata2 sa-bagai hasrat bagitu sahaja.
The Prime Minister: Bagaimana saya telah kata, chadangan menubohkan Commonwealth Islam ini di-chadang- kan oleh negeri ini.

Kalau nampak masa-nya sesuai dan berpatutan untok kita mengemukakan lagi harus kita chadangkan pula.

LANGKAH BERSAMA DENGAN INDONESIA BAGI KERAJAAN MENGHAPUSKAN PENGGANAS2 KOMINIS 6.
Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad (Muar Utara) bertanya kapada Menteri Per- tahanan berkaitan dengan pengun- doran Tentera2 British dari Malaysia Timor: (a) sama ada Kerajaan akan men- langkah2 pertahanan jalankan bersama, dengan Kerajaan Indo nesia di-kawasan2 sempadan, bagi menghapuskan pengganas2 Komi- nis yang berulang alek dari kedua wilayah tersebut; jika ya, terang- kan sama ada ini telah di-sharat- kan dalam Perjanjian Damai Malaysia-Indonesia; dan ib) jika tidak, terangkan apa sebab- nya Kerajaan Malaysia mesti pula memberitahu Kerajaan Indonesia terlebeh dahulu akan sharat2 serah diri yang di-tawarkan kapada Kominis2 di-Malaysia Timor.
The Minister of Defence (Tun Haji Abdul Razak): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saperti Ahli Yang Berhormat ma'alum, satu rombongan tentera Indonesia telah datang ka-Kuala Lumpur pada 6hb September, 1966, untok berunding, ber- kenaan dengan peratoran2 bagi kerja sama tentera Indonesia dengan Malaysia kerana keselamatan dan ketenteraman di- angkatan di-antara sempadan di-daerah Malaysia Timor.
Satu peratoran keselamatan telah pun di-persetujukan antara dua2 rombongan itu dan peratoran ini telah di-pertim- bangkan oleh dua2 Kerajaan, sebab sa-lepas daripada lawatan rombongan itu telah di-adakan juga kerjasama di- antara ketua2 tentera kita di-Malaysia Timor dengan ketua2 tentera pehak Indonesia.

Saya berharap kerjasama yang di-kehendaki itu dapat di-jalan- kan. Peratoran yang di-perbuat itu ada- lah sa-lari atau pun sa-embang dengan dasar Perjanjian Damai Indonesia dengan Malaysia.
Yang kedua, Kerajaan Malaysia tahu Kerajaan tidak ada memberi Indonesia tentang terlebeh dahulu tawaran sharat2 serah diri kapada kominis sa-belum perkara ini di-ishti- harkan, sebab-nya soal ini ada-lah soal dalam negeri Malaysia sahaja.

Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad: Soalan tambahan.


Berhubong dengan jawapan yang telah di-beri oleh Yang Berhor mat Timbalan Perdana Menteri tadi atas kerjasama mengawasi sa-takat di- Malaysia Timor, pada hal kominis juga bergiat di-Selatan Melaka, ada-kah Perjanjian atau kerjasama ini meliputi keselurohan Malaysia Timor dan Malaysia Barat?
Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada masa ini hanya-lah perjanjian di-perbuat bagi menjaga ke selamatan di-wilayah Malaysia Timor, tetapi jika ada soal keselamatan timbul di-tempat2 lain, perkara itu boleh-lah di-timbangkan sa-mula.

TAWARAN MENYERAH DIRI KAPADA PENGGANAS2 DI- SEMPADAN SIAM 7.
Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad bertanya kapada Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri sama ada Kerajaan berchadang hendak membuat tawaran menyerah diri kapada pengganas2 Kominis di- Sempadan Siam, sa-bagaimana yang di-buat kapada pengganas2 Kominis di-Sarawak dan Sabah: jika ya, terang kan sama ada sharat2 serah diri itu sa-rupa dengan sharat2 yang di-tawar kan kapada Kominis2 di-Malaysia Timor, dan jika tidak, apa-kah sebab2- nya.
2227 25 OCTOBER 1966 2228 The Minister of Home Affairs (Tun Dr Ismail): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tiada-lah sharat2 penyerahan diri yang tetap, saperti yang di-tawarkan di- bawah Gerakan Harapan di-Malaysia Timor telah di-tawarkan kapada peng- ganas2 kominis di-kawasan Sempadan Malaysia / Thailand.

Walau bagaimana pun, Kerajaan ada-lah menerima penyerahan diri pengganas2 kominis yang menyerah diri, dan mereka akan di-beri layanan yang 'adil.

Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan tambahan.
Ber- hubong dengan kominis di-Malaysia Barat, menurut pendapat saya, ada 4 orang jagoh kominis di-Malaysia Barat ia-itu: 1.

Ibrahim Muhammad.

2.

Yew Chue Yap.

3.

Abdullah Sudin.

4.

Shamsah Fakeh.

lindongan Kerajaan Mereka ini menjalankan gerakan-nya Indo di-bawah nesia yang lama.

Sekarang sedang di- tahan oleh Kerajaan Indonesia yang baharu.
Boleh-kah Kerajaan bekerja- sama atau memohon kapada Kerajaan supaya Indonesia yang baharu mengambil jagoh 4 orang kominis Malaysia itu di-tahan dalam negara kita.

ini Tun Dr Ismail: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, banyak perkara2 berkenaan dengan keselamatan dalam negeri yang saya hendak mencheritakan, tetapi ada soal itu kalau kita cherita- tentu-lah merosakkan keadaan kan kita hendak mengatasi bahaya kominis ini.

suka saya bangkitkan Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad: Soalan tambahan.
Berhubong dengan perkara itu ada-kah yang Kerajaan sedar bahaya 4 orang jagoh kominis Malaya itu sekarang orang Amerika di-Peking pula sudah champor tangan, konon-nya penahanan mereka itu tidak halal, dan orang Amerika minta supaya di-bebaskan.

Mr Speaker: Berkenaan dengan hal itu sudah di-jawab oleh Menteri menga- takan dia tidak suka hendak menjawab- nya, kerana memelihara keselamatan.
ada-kah Kerajaan Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad: Chuma yang saya hendak tahu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sedar Kerajaan Amerika sekarang—orang Amerika 30 orang—sudah champor tangan dalam perkara 4 orang peng ganas kominis kita di-Malaysia ini?

Tun Dr Ismail: Kerajaan ada-lah sedar kapada ma'alumat2 yang kita telah siasat dan kita perchaya berlaku, tidak-lah sedar atas tetapi Kerajaan rumour atau pun ura2.
berunding Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad: Kalau Kerajaan tidak sedar boleh-kah Kera dengan Kerajaan jaan Amerika supaya memberitahu Kera jaan Amerika kedudokan yang sa- benar-nya 4 orang kominis Malaya yang dalam tahanan Kerajaan Indo nesia sekarang.

Tun Dr Ismail: Yang Berhormat ini tidak mengerti jawapan saya.

Saya kata kalau benda itu ura2, kalau kita mengambil tindakan atas itu kita men- jadi-lah macham Pa' Pandir sahaja.

SHARAT MENYERAH DIRI 8.


Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad bertanya kapada Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri sama ada pengumuman Perdana sharat2 Menteri berkenaan dengan serah diri yang di-tawarkan kapada anasir2 sabersif Kominis di-Sarawak, juga anasir2 Tentera Kali termasok tidak, apa-kah mantan Utara, tindakan yang di-jalankan terhadap mereka.
jika Tun Dr Ismail: Tawaran sharat2 penyerahan diri di-bawah Gerakan Harapan ada-lah di-tujukan kapada mereka2 yang telah mengangkat sen- jata melawan Kerajaan juga kapada mereka2 yang bersahabat dan memasoki persatuan2 haram subversif di-Sabah dan Sarawak.

dan Tentera Nasional Kalimantan Utara ia-lah satu persatuan haram subversif dan tawaran sharat2 penyerahan diri di-bawah Gerakan Harapan juga ter- buka untok ahli2-nya.
Oleh kerana Gerakan Harapan telah di-kuatkuasakan pada 23hb Julai, 1966, 2229 25 OCTOBER 1966 2230 bererti-lah bahawa tawaran2 itu hanya terhad kapada orang2 yang mengangkat senjata melawan Kerajaan atau yang memasoki persatuan2 haram subversif sa-belum tarikh tersebut.

DIVERSIFICATION OF MALAY SIA'S RESERVES 9.

Dr Lim Chong Eu (Under S.O.


24 (2) ) asks the Minister of Finance the reasons for his apparent volte face on the question of the diversification of the nation's reserves, as illustrated by his in London statement recently, that Malaysia would "sink or swim with sterling".

reported exactly happened the end of my stay The Minister of Finance (Tuan Tan Siew Sin): Mr Speaker, Sir, it would be useful for me to give the entire background to this incident, so that Honourable Members will appreciate and why.
what Towards in Washington last September—I actually left Washington for London on the evening of 1st October—I was informed by our Ambassador there that I had to attend a Press Conference.

This was news to me, as I had not asked for one.

He, however, informed me that a number of news agencies had asked to meet me and he felt that it was easier for me to meet all of them at the same time rather than singly.

At the Conference itself, one reporter pressed me to speak on our position vis-a-vis sterling.
In particular, he asked the Malaysian Govern me whether ment had any plans to diversify its substantial sterling reserves.

I replied to the effect that we had no such intention.

He was not satisfied and suggested that it was inconceivable that Malaysia had no plans to diversify at all, even in the future.
I then replied that it was a sound principle not to put all one's eggs into one basket and that diversi fication in the future was a possibility but that we would not move our reserves away from sterling, while it was still under pressure and, if we did decide to diversify eventually, we would not do so without prior consultation with the British Government.
Although the news agency report carried these two provisos, it emphasised the hypo thetical answer which I gave to a hypothetical question rather than the main point which I made, namely, that we had no plans to diversify in the immediate future.

that I must admit that when I saw the manner in which the news was carried, I was rather uneasy because I felt that sterling was already under sufficient pressure and it was not right that I should add to those pressures, how ever unwittingly.
Immediately on my in London, I, therefore, felt arrival that I should put the record straight and this time I called a Press Confe the purpose.

One of our rence for newspapers had suggested the statement made at the Press Confe rence in London was made after I had met Mr Bowden, the British Secretary of State for Commonwealth Affairs, with the obvious implication that I made this statement after my talk with him.

This, in fact, was not true.


The Press Conference was held at 4 p.m. on 3rd October, whereas I did not meet Mr Bowden, and for the first time too, until later that evening when he gave a dinner in my honour at Marlborough House.

I had a further discussion with him in his office on the following day, and I would like to it was both cordial and say fruitful.

that It is therefore, utterly incorrect to say that there was a volte face on my part in this matter.
In this connection, I would like, if I may, to quote from "The Economist" of 8th October, 1966, which supports my claim that there has been no volte face on my part at all— "And now there is Mr Tan Siew Sin, the Malaysian Finance Minister, who clarified and corrected in London this week a state ment attributed to him in Washington the week before.

For all that, he seemed to be saying essentially the same thing in both capitals.
In Washington, he was quoted as saying that Malaysia plans to 'diversify' its reserves (about some US$900 million, mostly in sterling), but that it would not do so, so long as sterling is under pressure, and with out authorities.

Subsequently, in London, Mr Tan emphasised still more strongly that Malaysia has no intention of acting precipitately or unilate rally.
But for all his talk of sinking or swimming with sterling, he left the impres sion that he would still, at some future time and to transfer some of Malaysia's eggs out of the 'one basket' he spoke of in Washington."
in some undisruptive way, the British consulting like 2231 25 OCTOBER 1966 2232 Dr Lim Chong Eu: Sir, the Honour able Minister of Finance has the wonderful opportunity of quoting the "Economist" either to support his argument or against his argument on different dates and on different occa sions.
However, Sir, I would like to ask the Honourable Minister of Finance to indicate, whether or not our country will make plans to diversify the nation's reserves if the pressure on pound ster ling were not as strenuous as they are at the present time?

Tuan Tan Siew Sin: I have already made it clear that we have no intention to diversify at the present.

In regard to the future, we shall cross the bridge when we come to it.

INTERCHANGEABILITY OF MALAYSIAN AND SINGAPORE CURRENCIES 10.
Dr Lim Chong Eu [Under S.O.

24 (2)] asks the Minister of Finance whether: (a) any talks have been held or are in prospect to arrange for the interchangeability of the Malay sian and Singapore currencies after June 12 next year, and if not; (b) whether the Government proposes to initiate discussions with the Singapore Government to' reach inter agreement on changeability at the earliest date.
currency Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir; (a) No talks have been held so far on the possibility of arranging for the interchangeability of Malaysian and Singapore currencies after 12th June, 1967.
(b) As the Honourable Member is aware, the Malaysian Government had in the past taken the initiative in regard to proposals for currency arrangements, and it was we who suggested the possi bility—or rather it was I who suggested the possibility in the Dewan Negara on 5th September this year, of some form of customary tender system to facilitate the two currencies.

So far, there has been no the Singapore reaction at all from interchangeability of the Government.
The Malaysian Govern ment is always prepared to consider any approaches from the Singapore Government on this subject.
last the currency in September in his speech at the World Bank held I should, however, add that Mr Lim for Kim San, Singapore's Minister Finance, in dealing with the automatic convertibility of to be in June, 1967 issued by Singapore stated the annual meetings of the International Monetary in Fund and Washington that Singapore proposed "with this convert ibility to eliminate foreign exchange controls, the absence of which will be beneficial to our entrepot trade."
In the light of this statement, it is up to the Singapore Government to make known its intentions publicly in this matter, since it has important impli cations for all Sterling Area countries, including Malaysia.
I say this, because all Sterling Area countries maintain exchange control against the rest of the world, and if Singapore as a Sterling to eliminate all Area country were exchange controls, as stated by the Singapore Finance Minister in Washing ton recently, it can clearly no longer be treated as a Sterling Area country for exchange control purposes.
is Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Minister of Finance aware that, despite his quota tion from the Minister of Finance of Singapore, the Singapore Government wants to have interchangeability of the two currencies between the two terri tories?
That being so, Mr Speaker, Sir, despite—perhaps, if what the Honour able Minister of Finance says is true about the lack of response from Singa pore, will this Government take the initiative to find a modus vivendi, as he has told us last time, with Singa pore, for this matter of interchange- ability of currencies is a matter that affects each and everyone of us in this country and in Singapore, when we trade with each other, or when we move into the respective territories.
Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, the Honourable Sir, unfortunately, Member, as usual, waxes very eloquent 2233 25 OCTOBER 1966 2234 to eliminate when he understands the subject least.

I shall try to explain the position in more simple and as elementary langu age as possible.
Unlike the Honourable Member, I cannot read the mind of the Singapore Minister of Finance; I can only judge his intention by what he says; and he stated specifically in Washington last—and in September these words are in the printed record and they did not come from my intends imagination—"that Singapore to maintain automatic convertibility and foreign exchange controls."
Now, if we take the state ment at its face value—and that is after all the only interpretation I can put on it because, as I have tried to tell this House, I cannot read the mind of the Singapore Government and I am not a professional mind-reader—it means that Singapore, in fact, wishes to leave the Sterling Area.
That is the implication of the statement, and if she wishes to leave the Sterling Area by abolishing all foreign exchange controls, then all Sterling Area coun tries, including Malaysia, cannot esta blish any form of interchangeability with Singapore.

It is as simple as that.

I therefore suggest that he makes his approaches to the Singapore Govern ment instead.

MIRI NEW AIRPORT ROAD, SARAWAK—SURFACING OF 11.


Tuan Chia Chin Shin (Sarawak) asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications if steps will be taken to include provisions for metal surfacing of Miri New Airport Road since Miri New Airport will be com pleted at the end of 1967 according to the programme.

The Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications (Tan Sri V. T. Sambanthan): Mr Speaker, this is a State matter.
However, I am informed that it will not be possible to complete the bituminous surfacing of the section the of the Miri/Bintulu Road from town boundary to the Airport before the end of 1967 due to financial strin gencies, which have necessitated the postponement of all bituminous surfac ing works until 1968, when the work will be accorded priority.

ACQUISITION OF LANDING CRAFTS FOR TRANSPORTA TION OF STONES FOR ROAD CONSTRUCTION 12.
Tuan Chia Chin Shin asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Tele communications whether Government will look into the acquisition of coastal landing crafts for use in transporting stones for the construction of roads in the outstations and ulu areas in Sara wak, and if so, when.

Tan Sri V. T. Sambanthan: Mr Spea ker, Sir, this, again, is a State matter.

I have been informed that the Sarawak P.W.D.


is at present operating a fleet of four stone-carrying vessels to meet the requirements of the P.W.D., and in view of the policy to encourage the development of quarries, once road access is available to suitable sites, the large expenditure required not only in the purchase of such vehicles but also in their maintenance and operations does not warrant at this stage a further expansion of the vessels now available.
During 1966 and during early 1967, it will be necessary to augment this fleet by chartering vessels mainly for tran to Fourth Division.

However, sport with road access becoming available to quarry sites in the Niar area in the Fourth Division in the middle of 1967, there will be no further need for char tering such vessels.

CONSTRUCTION OF BICYCLE PATHS ALONG KUBU ROAD AND BRIGHTON ROAD, MIRI, SARAWAK 13.
Tuan Chia Chin Shin asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Tele communications if Government will consider constructing Bicycle Paths along Kubu Road and Brighton Road in Miri Town for the safety of cyclists and pedestrians during rush hours in view of the fact that there are three secondary schools and one primary school existing along these roads.
Tan Sri V. T. Sambanthan: Mr Spea ker, Sir, the request of the Honourable Member will be referred to the State Government for its consideration, as the Kubu Road and extensions to 2235 25 OCTOBER 1966 2236 Brighton Road are the responsibility of the State Government.

JALAN SHAW LOW-COST FLATS AND JALAN PEKELILING LOW- COST FLATS, KUALA LUMPUR 14.
Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing to state: (a) which firm or individual was awarded the contract to do piling works for the Shaw Road Low- Cost Flats and on what date was the contract entered into; (b) did it become necessary for the Authorities to dig up the piling for the com pliance with the terms of contract and what was the result of such inspection.

inspection as to 15.


Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing to state which firm or in dividual has been awarded the contract to carry out piling works for the Jalan Pekeliling Low-Cost Flats and on what date was the contract entered into.

in connection with 16.


Tuan C. V, Devan Nair (Bungsar) asks the Minister for Local Govern ment and Housing whether he has that piling work satisfied himself carried out the Shaw Road low-cost housing project was carried out in accordance with specifications of the Municipal authori ties, and the irregularities, if any, which occurred, and the measures taken to deal with those responsible.

if not, the nature of 17.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing the name of the contractor for the Low-cost Housing Scheme at Shaw Road, Kuala Lumpur.

Who got the contract for piling and why has work on the piling been suspended.

What is the cost for the building and the piling respectively.
The Minister for Local Government and Housing (Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh): to Mr Speaker, Sir, I would express my gratitude to the Honour like able Member for Batu, the Honourable Member for Bungsar, and the Honour able Member for Ipoh, for raising questions in this House concerning the Low-cost Housing Project at Jalan Shaw, thereby affording me an oppor tunity to make a public statement of all the facts in this Honourable House.
With your permission, Mr Speaker, Sir, I propose to deal with all these questions—Nos.

14, 15, 16 and 17— together as they relate to the same subject.

The Jalan Shaw Low-Cost Housing Project is a Federal Capital Housing Project undertaken by the Commis sioner of the Federal Capital, which is a Corporation sole with an independent Tenders Board composed of both Official and Unofficial Members of the Advisory Board of the Federal Capital.
There are three contractors for the Low-Cost Housing Project (17 storeys) at Jalan Shaw, Kuala Lumpur, namely: for (1) Gammon Malaya Limited site and piling works; (2) Hup Lee Seng Construction Co. for superstructure work on Block "A" comprising 407 units; and (3) Kuah Sai Yok for superstructure work on Block " B" comprising 407 units.
is $380,715 while The contract sum for the site and piling works the contract sums for superstructure works on Blocks "A" and " B" are $1,131,004 and $1,102,911 respectively, all three being the lowest tenders.

into by The contract with Gammon Malaya Limited was entered the Commissioner of the Federal Capital on 17th March, 1966.
According to the terms of the contract with Gammon Malaya Limited for the piling works, it was stipulated and agreed that the piles to be driven by Gammon should have a minimum depth penetration of not less than 30 feet below formation the level of proposed building.

Further, it was stipulated and agreed that the core section of each pile should have a than compressive stress of not the ground level of less 2237 25 OCTOBER 1966 2238 3,000 lbs.

per square inch after 28 days.


In the third week of July, 1966, confidential information was received by me alleging that the actual lengths of the piles driven at Jalan Shaw were shorter than those claimed by Gam mon.

As a result of this information, I ordered an immediate investigation.

The first information was subsequently from corroborated by another source.
information the the that length of the actual immediately the faces of As a result of investigations made, it was decided to extract one pile, chosen at random, to check the veracity of the information.

On 9th August, 1966, the Municipal Architect wrote to Gammon instructing them to make arrangements to effect such extraction.
The extract of the first pile was completed on 16th August, 1966, and it was discovered that the pile driven was 19 ft. when the record length claimed and shows charged by Gammon was 30 ft. 4 in., a difference of 11 ft. 4 in.

Further, the extraction revealed that the "colcrete" grout was of very poor quality and that the coarse aggregates were loose and a large portion of these coarse aggregates were not even covered with sand/cement grout.
Further, the centre of the core section of "colcrete" grout did not completely fill the hollow section of the "colcrete" grout short of approximately 1 ft. 6 in.

from the pile shoe.
from the pile shoe.

On 19th August, 1966, the Municipal Architect wrote to Gammon pointing out the breaches of contract based on the result of the extraction of this first pile, that is, that the depth of penetration of the pile was less than 30 ft. below the formation level of the ground and that the core section of the pile was not up to specification, quite apart from the fact that claim for payment was made for length of pile not driven.
This also confirmed the verbal instruction given on 17th August, 1966 at 1.00 p.m. to Gammon's Site Engineer to suspend all work.

the spun pipes and stopped letter The Commissioner of the Federal the results of first Capital reported extraction and action was taken by him to suspend work to me on 24th August, 1966; as result of which, I directed that more driven piles should be extracted.
Altogether piles were 3 more extracted on 2nd, 6th and 12th Septem ber, and in each case the length of pile was found to be very much shorter than the actual length claimed and charged by Gammon (the difference being 11' 11", ll' and 10' 3" respectively of the piles extracted on the respective dates), and the core section was also not up to specification.
The joint Managing Director of Gammon was then sent for by the Commissioner on 20th September, 1966 for an explanation which resulted in receipt of a letter from him dated September 21, 1966 admitting the short comings, expressing his willingness to rectify all defects, and further admitting liability to consequential damages and other losses which may be incurred by the Commissioner of the Federal Capital.
The commission of breaches of contract and of fraud by Gammon in respect of the piling tender at Jalan Shaw was reported to Cabinet in a paper dated 26th September, 1966.

On 4th October, 1966, Gammon un in writing as conditionally agreed follows: the delays in (a) That Gammon will pay any damage or that may be loss suffered by the Commissioner as a result of this scheme.
In this connection, Gam mon will also the Commissioner against any claims or proceedings that may be brought against the Commissioner by reason of these delays and any costs and expenses which may arise from them.

indemnify (b) Gammon agreed that all the piles driven have apparently been short to an agreed difference driven and extent of 38% of the footage claimed by them.
Gammon will reimburse the Commissioner for the excess amount wrongfully claimed by and paid to them for the agreed difference between the 2239 25 OCTOBER 1966 2240 footage claimed and the actual footage of the pile driven in by them.

The reimbursement pay able by Gammon will be 38% of the sum already paid to them.
(c) Gammon will rectify the piling works, i.e., the short footage of the piles driven and the inferior quality of these piles, in such manner (including the extraction of piles) and at such times as the Commissioner's Engineers may in their absolute discretion deemed necessary or advisable.

This work is to be done entirely at their own cost.
(d) Gammon will guarantee that the pile foundations, when completed, will be satisfactory in all respects and that Gammon will indemnify the Commissioner against any subsequent damages to the build ings resulting from any failure or defects of the pile foundations constructed by them.

to terminate Having regard to the admission of liability by Gammon for damages, the Commissioner did not think it would be advisable the pile contract for Jalan Shaw.
Should the Commissioner terminate the contract it will then be necessary to employ a new contractor, which would, perhaps, be more costly and involve greater delay.

Further, Gammon would be entitled to argue that they would not be liable for the whole amount that might have to be paid to the new contractor because if Gammon were permitted to remedy the defects, which they are prepared to do, it would be less costly.
Thus, it will be seen that Gammon would not be liable for any greater sum, even if they were permitted to complete the contract they and remedy the defects, which have indicated they are willing and prepared to do.

Subject to the technical aspects of the matter it was the Commissioner's view that no great advantage could be achieved by the contract in respect of the piling in Jalan Shaw.

In fact, it may be financially disadvantageous to do so.
In view of the unconditional admission of liability by Gammon, the Commissioner recom termination of the mended that the better course would be that they be permitted to carry on with the work and to remedy the defects in accordance with the technical require ments as may be required by the Commissioner.
the piling to complete The above pros and cons of allowing Gammon in Jalan Shaw were duly considered by the Cabinet, which decided to allow the piling as Gammon recommended by the Commissioner of the Federal Capital.

to complete It is the to be mentioned Attorney-General has been consulted and kept informed throughout regarding this case.

that The Commissioner of the Federal Capital has reported to the Police of the facts of the commission of alleged fraud by Gammon and/or their officers.
conduct of Gammon, Further, in view of the most unsatis factory the Cabinet decided to suspend Gammon from all future Government tenders for a period.

Insofar as the Commissioner of the Federal Capital is concerned, the officers responsible for the supervi sion of piling have been suspended from duty pending the outcome of Police investigations.
As regard the tender awarded to the joint venture between Gammon and Larsen & Neilsen for the Jalan Peke- liling the low-cost housing project, Commissioner was advised by his Legal Advisers that as a result of the accep tance of tender on 15th June, 1966, should this acceptance be revoked at the instance of the Commissioner, the Commissioner may face an action for damages.
The question of this accep tance of tender for Jalan Pekeliling was also placed before Cabinet, which decided to allow Gammon and Larsen & Neilsen to proceed with the Jalan Pekeliling low-cost housing project for the following reasons: (a) The tender was accepted on 15th June, 1966, before the discovery of the breaches of contract and fraud in Jalan Shaw; (b) Revocation of acceptance of the tender would result in litigation 2241 25 OCTOBER 1966 2242 and the Federal Commissioner may be faced with a claim for damages; (c) The contracting party for the latter an the Jalan Pekeliling project is of a different identity—a joint venture between Gammon and Larsen & Neilsen, indus trialised housing firm of interna tional repute in Denmark.
It is felt that Larsen & Neilsen should not be penalised.

They have given a written undertaking of strict supervision of the Jalan Peke liling project.

(d) Revocation of acceptance of tender would involve the calling of fresh tenders and this would entail a delay of 8 months, 3 months would be taken up to comply with tender procedure, and 5 months in the preparation of factory and moulds by the successful tenderer.
Therefore, in addition to the payment of claims for damages any delay on the project would also mean an addi tional payment of net interest and sinking fund contribution amount ing to approximately $25,000 per month for the period of delay as well as loss of rent.

The delay would clearly not be in the public interest.

(e) The Jalan Pekeliling contract is for the construction of the super structure by industrialised build ing technique and not piling work as in the case of Jalan Shaw.
Cabinet, therefore, has agreed on 19th October, 1966, to allow Gammon and Larsen & Neilsen to continue with the contract in Jalan Pekeliling as being the best course of action in the public interest.

In reply to the specific question by the Honourable Member Ipoh, tender for the piling works at Jalan Pekeliling low-cost housing scheme has not yet been called, and, therefore, no contract has been entered into.
for made in reply to four questions, it is possible under Standing Orders to have tomorrow supplementary morning so that we will not be accused of putting questions.

I do not know whether it is possible.

questions Mr Speaker: I do not think that it is possible to have supplementary ques tions on these questions again.
supplementary Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, may I crave your indulgence to ask them, if you rule that we cannot ask these to morrow, that you give us sufficient time now to ask questions of the Honourable Minister for Local Government and Housing.

It is no use of giving us five minutes, when he has taken twenty minutes to make his statement.

questions Mr Speaker: As far as I am con cerned, the question time is up.
Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: Mr Spea ker, Sir, may I, with respect, refer to Standing Order 24 (3): "Mr Speaker may allow supplementary questions to be put .

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"(5) No questions .

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Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: I will answer any question, if you so permit, Sir.

Mr Speaker: It is not a question of answering a question.

It is a question of "Question Time".

Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: Mr Spea ker, Sir, may I refer to S.O.

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Mr Speaker: Under Standing Orders I can permit extension of the Question time, if it is not too long.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: I start the ball rolling, Mr Speaker, Sir?

(Laughter).

The Honourable Minister in his lengthy statement has congratulated me on this side of the House and I must congra tulate him on giving tribute where a tribute is due.

Is it a fact that a Muni cipal Clerk of Works (unqualified) was put on this job as a Resident Super visor?
If so, why has an unqualified Clerk of Works been employed on this very important and costly project?

Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: Mr Spea ker, Sir, I crave your indulgence and I rise to ask for guidance whether, in view of the very important statement Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, it is quite customary for a Clerk of Works to be there and in addition we have the Structural Engineer, who 2243 25 OCTOBER 1966 2244 visits the site from time to time.
But, Gammon being such a reputable firm, we least expect a firm like Gammon to commit fraud of this nature, and we therefore completely rely on a firm of that standing job honourably, and honestly, in addition to our Clerk of Works.

to carry out the Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, perhaps, I did not put it quite clearly.

In the question that I posed just now, the operative word was "unquali fied" Clerk of Works.

Is it a fact that an unqualified Clerk of Works .

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Tuan Khavv Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I am not aware he is qualified or unqualified.

that question think requires notice.

I have to check up.

I Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, is it a fact that about 800 piles were driven and that only four were pulled out to test whether they have gone to the requisite depth of 30 feet?
Also, in view of the fact that all the that were pulled out did not four measure up to specifications, all of them will be pulled out, as in this case we cannot take any risk whatsoever with the lives of the future inhabitants of this low-cost housing?

Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I thoroughly agree with the views of the Honourable Member for Batu.

We have extracted four piles and, in fact, instructions have been given to extract six more piles.
It is quite correct that 800 piles have been driven and Gammon have themselves admitted to shortage of all these to an extent of 38% and we are extracting six more piles before we decide on what further action is to be taken.
In the Agreement given by Gammon now, they have agreed to pull any number of piles as our Engineer deems necessary for further purposes, and in addition they will pile more additional piles side by side with the existing piles to the required completely specification as free of charge and at their own cost, and to the absolute satisfaction of our Structural Engineer.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, is the Minister for Local Govern for ment and Housing aware that what he calls now "fraud of this magnitude" there must be collusion on both sides, not just Gammon—but maybe, some officials of high standing in the Engineering Department of the Advisory Board of the Federal Capital.

If so, will he look at our own back yard first, before looking at what is happening with the work of Gammon?
Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I fully agree with the Honourable Member for Batu, and as this matter is completely the Police now, the Police will see to the guilty party and take necessary action against them.
the hands of in to tendered for Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Is the Honour able Minister for Local Government and Housing aware that Gammon also the Kuala Muda have they have withdrawn Scheme, but from tendering for that Scheme and they have some others, who have connections with them, to tender for that Scheme?
If so, will the Honour able Minister the Cabinet will scrutinise all tenders of that Scheme very carefully to see that Gammon does not extend its tentacles— wretched, rotten, filthy and fraudulent tentacles—to the Kuala Muda River Scheme?

assure us that Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I can give a categorical assurance that the tenderers for the Kuala Muda Scheme have been told that if Gammon were associated with them, the con tract would not be awarded to them.
Under the circumstances, Gammon have withdrawn from that tender.

So, there is no question of Gammon being associated with the tender at all.

Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: Mr Spea the ker, Sir, will Minister inform this House, when this matter was placed in the hands of the Police?

the Honourable Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: I cannot give the exact date, Mr Speaker, Sir.

The Municipal Commissioner has reported to the Police and, if I am given some time, the exact date.
However, I can assure the Honourable Member that right from I will be able to give 2245 25 OCTOBER 1966 2246 the Attorney-General the beginning into picture and has been brought kept fully informed—and now I have got a chit to say that the report was sent to the Police, after all the facts have been obtained, on the 6th October, 1966. is in that I asked this—and Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: Let us not drag the Attorney-General because he is not an investigator.
The question the answer is illuminating—is it not a fact to the knowledge of the Honourable Minister investigation started into this matter, or that it was handed over to the Police only after the Government Benches knew that the Opposition was going to put up this question?

Is it not a fact the Police interviewed Gammon Malaya only after the 15th of October and not one single day before that?
Police that innuendo Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: I think that the is a very unfair to Government because, right from the beginning, this matter has been prose cuted to its fullest; in fact the question of reporting to the Police was con tained in the Cabinet Paper on the 26th of September, long before any question the Opposition from was Bench, and I think Honourable Mem bers of this House should give credit where it is due, and not attribute such innuendo.
received Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: Mr Spea ker, Sir, my supplementary question was, is the Honourable Minister aware that and recorded statements from officers of Gammon Malaya not earlier than the 13th of October, 1966. the Police interviewed Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: This is purely a Police matter and the Police officers, before they decide to interview, must make preliminary enquiries and inves tigations and check up on the Police report—and this is not abnormal.
In the question of fact, as I stated, reporting the Police was also reported to the Cabinet.

The intention to report to the Police was reported to the Cabinet on the 26th of September, the Opposition Benches long before submitted any question on this matter.
to Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: Is the Honourable Minister aware that two officers, or employees of Gammon, have been arrested by the Police after the 15th of October and released on bail of, the Honourable the Minister aware of that, and the proposed charge is to be one under the Corruption Act?

think, $10,000?
think, $10,000?

Is I Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: The day-to day administration of this matter is in the hands of the Federal Commissioner which is an independent autonomous body, and I am only involved in policy and it is not for the Minister to go about finding out whether anyone was arrested.

Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: My question is, "Is the Minister aware?"

The answer should be a simple one.

Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: I am not aware.


Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: Is the Honourable Minister aware as a fact that there has been corruption in the Municipality of Kuala Lumpur in relation to these piling works?

Does his investigations disclose that?
that think Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I is a very unfair general statement, attributing to very hard-working officers of the Federal Capital Commission in Kuala Lumpur; and if the Honourable Member has any information as to corruption, it is his duty to place such information in detail to me or the Police, in order that this matter can be looked into and into, and not for him investigated to make general remarks of this nature in this House, when the officials have no right to defend themselves.
Is Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: Mr Spea ker, Sir, such information will be duly given.

the Honourable Minister aware that the information relating to this work of piling in Shaw Road came to him not from official sources?

Is that a correct statement?

Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: I think I dis information was closed in the third week from a received confidential source, who wrote to me that that 2247 25 OCTOBER 1966 2248 personally and as a result of which investigations started.
Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: That confidential information was not from official sources—am I correct?

Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, it will be against the confidence placed in me, if I were to disclose or give any indication of the source of this information.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Will the Honourable Minister assure this House that in view of what has happened already—God alone knows what has happened in the past with other piling projects in other places and whether those houses will collapse or not—that the Federal the Commissioner Capital will such see instances of fraudulent practice will not occur in the Federal Capital?
for to that it Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I will do my best and the Federal Commissioner will do his best, but nobody can prevent anyone from committing fraud or a criminal offence.

One would least expect that such a reputable firm as Gammon, a firm of that standing, would sink so low as to commit an offence of this nature—I mean the that neither myself, nor Honourable Members of the Opposi tion, can control anyone from com mitting a criminal offence.
Dato' S. P. Seenivasagam: It is fan tastic to suggest that 800 piles could be driven in short—38% short—and not one single engineer or officer of the Municipality could have come to know of it.

One can only assume that some body has been paid to close his eyes, and that is the person the Government to must protect.

Who is the person on the side of the Government who was paid to close his eyes and keep his mouth shut?

That is what we would like to know.


instead of look for trying Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, it is for that very reason that a report has been made to the Police, so that the Police can go into this matter very thoroughly.
But I would like to correct one point: although 800 piles have been driven, we have only proof that 4 piles are short at the moment, although the firm has agreed, as a matter of settlement, on thp assumption that 38% is short; and on that assump tion they would make the necessary refund to the Commissioner, in addi tion to making such additional piles necessary for the building completely free of charge at their own cost.
As for the other party or parties involved in this matter, this is for the Police to investigate and for them to take the necessary action.

the foundation of Dr Tan Chee Khoon: The Honour able Minister has told us all the time about short piling.

The Minister has admitted right from the start that in addition to the short piling, the con creting of the piles was all wrong.

He mentioned and about grout, cement.


Will the Honourable Minister assure the length were piles of to driven see that the concrete part of the pile was correct and up to international standards?

this House that, even if correct in, he would take steps sand the that tests I have this point, and Structural Engineer Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: I am glad the Honourable Member has that raised the answer to it.

In fact, the quality of the piles itself has been under correspon dence when this fraud was discovered.
In fact, as early as April, 1966, the Municipal in charge of this project discovered from a few the core material (colcrete) was not up to the strength in the specifications and as specified this fact was pointed out to the con tractors' site engineer.

It was also found that the method of putting the cement grout and core aggregate into the centre core was not satisfactory.
When the this was pointed out contractors' site engineer, he claimed that is a special patent which had been used success special fully elsewhere.

This patent which to have used successfully internationally, and there was a lot of corres therefore our Municipal pondence between and Gammon Structural Engineer this fraud was discovered.
In when the GAMEO pile they claim is a to 2249 25 OCTOBER 1966 2250 fact, I think we should give tribute to our Municipal Structural Engineer for having taken this up as early as April, 1966.

Dr Lim Chong Eur May I ask the Honourable Minister how the assump tion of 38% of the total number of piles are short length can be made before complete extraction.
It is quite clear that the random samplings, of which I think four have been made— one on the first instance and three on the other the Minister did not specifically state that the three were also random—all four were short length.

So, how can we now assume that only 38% of the rest of the 800 are of short length?

instances, although the Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: This 38% is based on calculation of the 4 piles that we have extracted.
We chose the pile which has the largest difference, not the average of the four—the pile which has largest difference of short driven length—which turned out to be 38%, which is the maximum difference of one pile; the average will work to much less than 38%.

In other words, we are asking for the highest possible differential as refund to be made to the Municipal Commissioner.
Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: Am I correct that before payment was made to Gammon for the piling, there should have been a certificate from some responsible officer of the Municipality of Kuala Lumpur?

If the answer is "Yes", can we know who certified that payments could be made to Gammon?

Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: The payment certificate was issued and signed by a responsible officer of Gammon and countersigned by the Municipal Clerk of Works permanently, but I have got to check up on that, I am afraid.
Municipal officials have been sus pended from duty and this is a matter for the Police to investigate and take such action as they think necessary.
Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: Mr Spea ker, Sir, will the Minister now admit that this state of affairs at the Shaw Road Housing Scheme was made possible due to in the Honourable the part of the officers of competence, negligence, and corruption on the Municipality of Kuala Lumpur and that is the state of facts and now the Honourable Minister is trying to have a the Gammon Malaya only and nobody else.

sacrificial goat by saying Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I completely disagree with the statement.
In fact, my senior officials have done a very good job in connec tion with this matter and as, you will see, we have done everything possible; we have taken action as early as possible, so that this matter could be brought to what it is today, as I have mentioned in this House.
One cannot prevent fraud being committed by a junior official: this is human relation and we cannot legislate against things of this nature, or, even with the best possible administrative ability, one cannot present such an occurrence.
Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: On a point of clarification—will the Honour able Minister admit that all this quick action, for which the Minister claimed so much credit, only started after persons, known or unknown, made it known to the Minister that the public knows of the scandal at Shaw Road Housing Scheme?

If the letter had not come, I say that there would have been no thousands of people would have died in the Shaw Road Housing flat.
investigation and Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, it is the duty of every citizen to help the Government to investigate into a matter of this nature.

As I have stated earlier, there was correspondence as to quality and not to the shortage of piles driven, between the Structural Engineer and Gammon when this fraud was also discovered in addition to the breaches of contract.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Minister had told this House cannot this House legislate against corruption.
He has told this House that .

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.. that Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, on a point of clarification.

I said, 2251 25 OCTOBER 1966 2252 "legislate against fraud."

the commission of Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, mia culpas.

Legislate against crime and fraudulent practice.


The Minister has also told us that the payment was made on certification by the Resident Engineer of Gammon—presumably, he is now under the the Clerk of Police—and also by Works whom as labelled unqualified—and I have yet to see a piece of paper floating down to the Minister, Mr Speaker, Sir.
investigation by I have In view of what has happened, Mr Speaker, Sir, will the Minister assure this House that for future projects of this nature the question of certification of payments will not be left to the contractor and to a lowly Clerk of Works, but be made on the certification of a senior official of the Pesuroh Jaya Ibu Kota?
Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: This matter will be looked into, Mr Speaker, Sir, but I would like to point out that I do not think it is possible for a full time engineer to be there every hour of the day to see every inch of pile being is a customary it driven.

I that Clerks of Works are practice responsible for this, with occasional visits by the Structural Engineer.

But, at any rate, this matter would be looked into for future purposes.

think Tuan Tan Toh Hong: (rises).


Mr Speaker: Don't you think we have beaten the question.

this malpractice and Tuan Tan Toh Hong: Supplementary question, Mr Speaker, Sir.
Is the Minis ter of Local Government and Housing aware that, in view of the original investigation initiated by the Honour able Minister himself, in the first place, regarding the subsequent punitive actions and Police investigations the Honourable Minister, our public would like to commend and congratulate the Honourable Minister for carrying out his duty honestly and correctly in the interest of the public and good Govern ment (Applause).
recommended by Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, is the Honourable Member for Bukit Bintang seeking a Tan Sri in the next Honours list, Sir (Laughter).

Tuan Tan Toh Hong: Mr Speaker, Sir, I am already a Tan, Sir (Laughter).

Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Speaker, Sir, .

.

.. Mr Speaker: I am sorry.

Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Speaker, Sir, I am not asking a supplementary question.

I am asking for a ruling, from you, Sir.


Mr Speaker, Sir, in view of the fact that Question 14 was asked by the Honourable Member for Ipoh and the Honourable Minister chose in his reply to answer the questions that were in fact being carried by Questions 15 and 16 which have not in actual fact been asked by the persons who have put them on the Order Paper, Sir, will you rule that these Questions 15 and 16 will be carried over to a subse quent date?
Mr Speaker: As far as questions are concerned they will be.

At the next sitting when the questions come up it will be indicated that they have been answered.

Tuan Geh Chong Keat: Sir, arising out of this Gammon scandal in respect of the Shaw Case in piling, and as jobs at they had undertaken piling Penang, would the Minister undertake to study the piling at those sites?

Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, all the Gammon works are being looked into now.
PROTECTION OF POLICY HOLDERS FROM FOREIGN INSURANCE COMPANIES 18.

Tuan Tan Toh Hong asks the Minister of Finance if he is aware that one of the foreign insurance companies operating in this country endeavours to avoid payment of personal accident and hospitalisation claims on any technicality or loophole it can find.

If to so, what steps have been protect this treatment.
holders policy taken from 2253 25 OCTOBER 1966 2254 The Minister of Finance (Tuan Tan there Siew Sin): Mr Speaker, Sir, The Insu insurance rance Act, 1963, regulates is an in this country and Insurance Commissioner who is charged with the administration of the Act.

He is empowered to investigate complaints relating to insurance and I would to my Honourable friend, the Member for Bukit Bintang, that he refer the details of this parti cular complaint to the Commissioner.
suggest Honourable Members of the House are aware that three annual reports on the administration of the Insurance Act have been submitted to Parliament and the Insurance Division is becoming more widely known to the public.

Although the Division received only 6 complaints and enquiries in 1964 and 24 in 1965, it has already dealt with 54 in 1966.
If any member of the public considers he has been unfairly treated by an insurance company he should immediately notify the Insurance Com missioner who will investigate his complaint.

LEAVE FOR ADJOURN MENT OF THE HOUSE UNDER S.O, 18 (MOTION) (VISIT OF PRESIDENT JOHNSON) Mr Speaker: The Honourable Mem ber for Batu has submitted to me a letter wishing to move the adjournment of to clarify this matter?

the House.

Would you like the possible matter.


It has been flashed round the world and no doubt the diplomats in the world are the capital cities of cogitating about reper cussions of such a visit.
In connection with the repressive measures of the Police, that also is a definite matter, Mr Speaker, Sir, because the premises of members of my Party have all been raided and this moment, maybe, more and more members of my Party, that is the Labour Party of Malaya, are being pulled in by the omnipotent Special Branch.

right at Mr Speaker, Sir, the second element is that it is urgent.
Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, the visit of President Johnson falls due on the 30th September, 1966, and it is very urgent, that we in this House, whether on that side of the benches or on this side of the benches, Sir, should have a chance to discuss and the debate such a visit because of implications of such a visit as to whether this country is going willy- nilly to be drawn in and to be dragged into the American war effort in South to my Party, Vietnam.
It is urgent Mr Speaker, Sir, because we talk about the fundamental liberties of the people.

We talk about democracy and yet—in connection with such a visit, my Party has not staged any riot, my Party has not done anything as far as we are concerned illegal—members is of my Party are being pulled in.

Mr Speaker, Sir, yesterday in my Party Headquarters we hung up this banner.

"President Johnson Go Home".

Now, "Yankee Go Home" is a thing that is common the world over, although outside of Malaya.
that Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Yes, Mr Spea ker, Sir.

In rising to move an adjourn ment of the House under Standing Order 18 (1) for the purpose of dis cussing a definite matter of urgent public importance, I wish to bring to the notice of this House the impending visit of President Johnson and of the repressive measure taken by the Police in connection with his visit.

to Mr Speaker, Sir, I know that justify my request three ingredients are necessary.

One is that it must be a definite matter.

Mr Speaker, Sir.
Mr Speaker, Sir.

The visit of President Johnson is a definite Mr Speaker: I would like to point out to the Honourable Member not to make a speech but to clarify.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Yes, I shall be as brief as possible.

Mr Speaker, Sir, it is urgent because yesterday the Riot-Squad and the Fire Brigade went to my Party Headquarters in order to take down that innocent banner and in the process of pushing up the ladder that ladder got stuck and could not come down (Laughter).
Mr Speaker, this is the way the Government does its work for all to see, whether there is democracy or not in this country.

2255 25 OCTOBER 1966 2256 Mr Speaker, Sir, finally, there is this ingredient of public importance.

Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, 1 need hardly say that the visit of President Johnson is of public the importance not only people of this country but also to the rest of the world.
to a against On another occasion, when I moved such a motion former Minister of this House, I mentioned the fact that that matter was talked about in the highways, in the byways, in the coffee shops and even in massage parlours—and people had asked me how I know about massage parlours.
Mr Speaker, Sir, in this matter of the visit of President Johnson, it is true to say that almost every citizen of this country knows about this visit and, as such, we in this House should be given an opportunity to debate it.

Finally, Mr Speaker, Sir, if I may borrow an analogy from the game of cricket, which game I see some people in this House are quite familiar with.

Having allowed me, Mr Speaker, Sir, to bat so far, I hope you will not, on an appeal by anyone of this House, rule me out "L.B.W.
", i.e., "Leg Before Wicket", but rather rule me "not out", so that I can carry on, if you will sustain my motion, with this debate afternoon.

in Thank You.

later on the of to discuss Mr Speaker: The Honourable Mem ber for Batu has given me a written to move an notice of his intention the House under adjournment Standing Order 18 this matter which he claims to!
be "definite, urgent and of public importance", i.e., forthcoming visit of President the Johnson and the measures the Police have taken against the Labour Party of Malaysia in connection with this visit.
I have examined this question and all the three ingredients necessary, but I regret that I am unable to grant the Honourable Member's application for the necessary leave as I am unable to see that there iss any question of to the visit of urgency with regard President Johnson to Kuala Lumpur, which is made at the invitaton of the Malaysian Government, or the measures taken by the Police, which would appear to me to be measures to taken in the ordinary course of their work by the Police.
Therefore, it is it "L.B.W.

", or whatever you call {Laughter).

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: "Leg Before Wicket".

Mr Speaker: The sitting is now sus pended for fifteen minutes.

Suspended at 11.52 a.m.
Sitting resumed at 12.20 p.m. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) BILLS PRESENTED THE ROYAL MALAYSIA POLICE (AMENDMENT) BILL to amend Bill the Royal Malaysia Police Act, 1963, to vest the control of components in the States of Malaya in the Inspector-General of Police and for provide the appointment of a Deputy Inspector-General of Police and for other matters connected there with; presented by the Minister of Home Affairs; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE CONSOLIDATED FUND (EX PENDITURE ON ACCOUNT) BILL Bill the to apply a sum out of Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending on the thirty-first day of December, 1967; presented by the Minister of Finance; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE DEVELOPMENT FUNDS BILL Bill to amend and consolidated the law relating to the Development Fund of the Federation and to make provi financial procedure sion relating the Development respect with Funds of the States; presented by the Minister of Finance; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
to to THE CURRENCIES LAWS (AMENDMENT) BILL Bill to amend the Currency Act, 1960, of the the States of Malaya and Currency Ordinances, 1960, of Sabah 2257 25 OCTOBER 1966 2258 and Sarawak; presented by the Minister of Finance; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.

THE CUSTOMS (AMENDMENT) BILL to amend Bill the Customs Ordi nance, 1952; presented by the Minis ter of Finance; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE TREASURY BILLS (LOCAL) (AMENDMENT) BILL to amend Bill the Treasury Bills (Local) Ordinance, 1946; presented by the Minister of Finance; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.

THE MUNICIPAL (AMENDMENT) BILL Bill to amend the Municipal Ordi nance; presented by the Minister for Local Government and Housing; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
for institution THE STANDARDS BILL Bill to make provision for the prepara tion and promotion of standards in relation to commodities, processes and the establishment of practices standards standards council, defining the functions of the and the institution powers of the council and for incidental and connected purposes; presented by the Minister and Industry; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
of Commerce functions and and MOTIONS THE TREASURY BILLS (LOCAL) ORDINANCE, 1946 (Payment of moneys into the Development Fund specified in the Second Schedule to the Financial Procedure Ordinance, 1957) The Minister of Finance (Tuan Tan Siew Sin): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move in my name, viz., the motion standing Bills (Local) Ordinance, 1946, hereby resolves that a sum not exceeding $100 million be paid from the moneys received for Treasury Bills in the Consolidated Loan Account into the Development Fund specified in the Second Schedule to the Financial Procedure Ordinance, 1957, for the purposes of such Fund.
Section 2 (ii) of the Treasury Bills (Local) Ordinance, 1946, provides, inter alia, that moneys received from Treasury Bills issued under this Ordi nance may be paid, with the prior approval of the Dewan Ra'ayat, into the Development Fund specified in the Second Schedule the Financial Procedure Ordinance, 1957. to from moneys Honourable Members will recall that this House approved a resolution in similar terms in November last year to transfer a sum not exceeding $200 for million received Treasury Bills the Consolidated Loan Account into the Development Fund.
The resolution now before this House seeks its approval for a further transfer of a sum not exceeding $100 million for Treasury Bills into the Development Fund.

from moneys received in in Honourable Members will be aware that moneys the Development Fund are derived from appropriations to it from the Consolidated Revenue Account and grants for defence and development that may be credited to it.
In this connection, receipts from the issue of Treasury Bills have been rising lately and Honourable Members will also be aware that a Bill before this limit of to raise House seeks Treasury Bills that can be raised from $600 million to $1,000 million.
The amount of Treasury Bills issue stood at $541 million as on 15th October, 1966. the in It is considered appropriate, there fore, that a sum not exceeding $100 million of such moneys should be paid into the Development Fund, as allowed under (Local) the Treasury Bills Ordinance, 1964, and if the House so approves.

That this House in exercise of the powers conferred by Section 2 (ii) (b) of the Treasury Sir, I beg to move.
2259 25 OCTOBER 1966 2260 The Minister of Transport (Tan Sri Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That this House in exercise of the powers conferred by Section 2 (ii) (b) of the Treasury Bills (Local) Ordinance, 1946, hereby resolves that a sum not exceeding $100 million be paid from the moneys received for Treasury Bills in the Consolidated Loan Account into the the Development Fund specified Second Schedule to the Financial Procedure Ordinance, 1957, for the purposes of such Fund.
in THE PROVISIONAL DEVELOP MENT ESTIMATES, 1967 Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move the motion standing in my name viz: That this House resolves that a sum not exceeding $127,397,000 be expended out of the Development Fund in respect of the financial year 1967, and that to meet the purposes of the Heads and Sub-heads set out in the first and second columns of the Provisional Development Estimates for 1967 laid on the Table as Command Paper No.
34 of 1966, there be appropriated the sums specified opposite such Heads and Sub-heads in the seventh and eighth columns thereof.

the Budget Meeting of As Honourable Members may be aware, this House to consider the 1967 Budget will only be held in January next year.

Thus the Development Estimates for 1967 will not have been considered and, I hope, passed by this House until January or February next year.
While it is possible to provide funds by means of the vote on account procedure provided for under Article 102 (a) of the Constitution to pay for ordinary expenditure from 1st January, 1967, until the Supply Bill becomes law, there is no similar provision in the Development Fund Ordinance, 1958, for providing funds in the same way to pay for development expen diture.
It is, however, essential that funds are made available from 1st January, 1967, until the Development Estimates for this the year are approved by House to enable contractual commit ments to be met in respect of develop ment projects which are in progress and due for settlement in the early part of next year.
The need will be even more pressing when contractors have their labourers for Hari Raya Puasa and Chinese New Year which will fall in the early part of 1967. the wages of to pay if in the need to require funds In the circumstances, the only way to resolve this problem is to present to this House provisional Development Estimates for 1967 showing the heads and sub-heads of expenditure, which are known the early part of the year, with a suffi ciently large Contingencies Reserve which can be directed to other heads should and sub-heads arise.
Accordingly, the provisional Development Estimate, tabled as Com mand Paper No.

34 of 1966, propose to appropriate a sum not exceeding represents about $127,397,000.

This l/6th 1967, for the Estimate inclusive of $40 million for the Con tingencies Reserve, and the total sum asked for should be sufficient to meet requirements from 1st January, 1967, until the main Development Esti mates for the year have been appro ved.
These provisional Estimates will be superseded by the main Develop ment Estimates for 1967, if the latter have been approved by resolution of this House at the Budget Meeting next year.

of to As I have already stated, the main if approved Development Estimates, by this House, will replace the provi sional Development Estimates which are the subject of the motion before this House.
I, therefore, suggest that Honourable Members should accept, for this motion, the same procedure as that accorded the Consolidated Fund (Expenditure on Account) Bill.

In other words, there should be no debate on the matters of Government policy and administration nor on the purposes for which the sums included in Command Paper No.
34 of 1966 are required to be expended, because when the main Estimates are presented to this House, Honourable Members will be given ample opportunity for a fullscale debate on them in the ordi nary way.

It would clearly be wasting the time of this House for Honourable 2261 25 OCTOBER 1966 2262 Members fullscale to embark on a debate on these provisional Estimates and go over the same ground all over again when the main Estimates are subsequently presented to this House.
Tan Sri Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

regard introduction has stated Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, may I seek a ruling from you.

The Honourable the Minister of Finance in that we his should this motion as also similar to another Bill that is before this House—Expenditure on Account— and that there should be no debate on the policy and administration nor on the purposes sums included in the Bill are required to be expended.
Mr Speaker, Sir, the ruling I wish to seek is whether this motion moved by the Minister for Finance is to be debated fully or not by this House before we approve it.

for which the Mr Speaker: Well, I think that, in view of the sums not being complete, they need not be debated now.

It could be debated later.


that Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, the Sir, since you have ruled motion moved by the Minister of Finance is on a similar footing as that of Expenditure on Account, I wish to touch on a few points on this method of presenting Motions or Bills before this House, and in doing so, Mr Speaker, Sir, I shall steer clear of matters of Government policy and administration for purposes for which the sums included in this Motion are to be expended.
Mr Speaker, Sir, clearly the Motion before this House is a very unsatis factory one.

Normally, a sum like this is included in the Budget Session, and normally the Budget Session usually should, as it is the customary practice not only in this country but in other countries as well, be over before the end of the year.
It is true, Mr Speaker, Sir, that sometimes the Budget Session does spill over into the New Year and sometimes the Government has, and I believe this Government has, asked for such sums in advance because the Budget Session could not be held or could not be ended before the end of the year.

Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, as I have stated before, such a practice is not one that should be encouraged.
It should be the business of the Treasury and it should be the business of all the Ministries concerned to get their bud gets all ready, their bids all ready, sifted by the Treasury and presented to the Budget Session.

That, Mr Speaker, Sir, I sub mit, should be the proper procedure and I defy the Minister of Finance to quibble at that.

this House during Mr Speaker, Sir, a procedure like this and similar to the Expenditure on Account Bill involves the civil servants in a great deal of unnecessary work.
We all know that civil servants process all these Bills as early as March, April, May, and that the bids are made to the Treasury by about July or August.

We are told that the Budget Session for this year will be held in January, it will go on into February, and it will possibly spill into March.
Now, if this is so—I have yet to hear any statement as to why it would be so by the Minis ter of Finance—then it will involve the civil servants in a tremendous piece of job when they come to prepare the Budget for 1968, because this House will have approved of the Budget for 1967 by about the beginning of March, 1967.
Consequently, Mr Speaker, Sir, I do hope that the Government will not make it a practice, or will try as far as possible not to present Motions of this nature or Bills as the one that has been read for first time by the Minister of Finance.

The other thing that I wish to men tion, Mr Speaker, Sir, is the danger of such a practice.
Now, if I may, with your kind indulgence, Mr Speaker, Sir, just mention a little of this Expendi ture on Account Bill that the Minister will be presenting in a subsequent sit ting of this House.

The total expendi ture that he asked for is $456,699,600.

He has told us that in this Motion, the sum involved is one sixth of what is required for next year.

I notice that on the Expenditure on Account the sum involved is $456-plus million.
Now, if 2263 25 OCTOBER 1966 2264 at a sitting I do not subsequent that is one sixth of the expenditure for next year, then our Budget for next year will rise up to more than $2,000 million.

think, with due deference to the efforts of the Treasury and the Minister of Finance, that this country can afford a Budget of more than $2,000 million for next year.
That being so, one can only assume that percentage wise this House is being asked to approve expenditure in the region of about 25 per cent, if not more, for next year.

Now the danger, Mr Speaker, Sir, lies in this.

Today it is one sixth for Development, 25 per cent for cur rent expenditure next year, and to morrow it may well be three-quarters of the current expenditure for next year that this House will be asked to approve in advance.
The danger lies in this, Mr Speaker, Sir: this House having approved of such expenditure in advance, the Government can then calmly and quietly sit back and not hold the whole sittings of this House.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not to say that it is the intention of the Minister of Finance, or that it is the intention of the Government to do such a thing, but clearly giving the Minister of Finance and giving the Government such a power is an unwise thing to do.
Consequently, I, for one, would be very glad to hear the reasons from the Minister of Finance why such a pro cedure is adopted for this year and large sums are required, why such and an assurance from him that he will not encourage such practice will be very re-assuring not only to the civil servants but to the country at large.
dukachita Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya juga bangun menguchapkan terhadap chara2 Yang Berhormat Menteri Ke- wangan kita mengemukakan Rang Undang2 Provisional Development Esti mates, 1967, yang akan memakan per- belanjaan sa-banyak $127,397,000.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya, pada satu segi, bersetuju dengan Yang Ber hormat Menteri kita bahawa apa yang di-kemukakan itu patut di-kemukakan kerana Meshuarat Belanjawan kita akan terlewat pada tahun ini.
Kalau kita tidak mengemukakan peruntokan ini tentu-lah masa sa-belum daripada itu akan berlalu dengan meshuarat tidak ada Anggaran Pembangunan— development—dan ini tentu-lah merugi- kan negara kita.

Tetapi yang menjadi pelek-nya apabila di-kemukakan Rang Undang2 ini dengan Command Paper No.

34 of 1966 memakan belanja sa- banyak $127,397,000 maka tidak dapat di-bahathkan dengan alasan bahawa ini ada-lah sa-bahagian daripada Anggaran Pembangunan yang kesemua-nya.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, amat-lah susah kita hendak menerima satu per- kara daripada Kerajaan yang perkara itu kita hendak kata baik pun belum boleh lagi, sebab dia sa-bagai satu bahagian sahaja dan peruntokan Deve lopment yang sa-penoh-nya akan di- kemukakan dalam Budget Meeting.

Jadi bagaimana-lah dudok-nya Parli- men kita hendak memutuskan satu bahagian yang kita tidak tahu kaitan- nya dengan Peruntokan Pembangu nan (Development) yang sa-penoh-nya.
Sa-lain daripada itu kita tidak dapat sa-bahagian Pem sa- hendak membahathkan sahaja daripada Anggaran bangunan—Development—yang benar-nya.

kumpulan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menyo- kong Menteri kita ini berkenaan dengan kalau hendak mengambil wang daripada Consolidated, kerana itu mustahak.
Tetapi di-dalam Development ini saya rasa dapat kita berjalan dengan peruntokan yang sudah ada atau pun kita meminta tambahan lagi untok tahun 1966 tetapi tidak pula tahun 1967 dengan meminta untok tidak dapat di-bahathkan.

tidak tahu polisi yang sa- Saya macham ini ada-kah pada mula-nya Menteri kita ini hendak mengemukakan satu Rang Undang2 dengan tidak di- bahathkan.
Saya boleh bersetuju sa- kira-nya Menteri kita mengemukakan Rang Undang2 ini dan memberi pe- luang kapada Ahli2 di-dalam Dewan ini membacha dan menyelidek menjadi satu bahagian daripada Development yang Second Reading-nya pada Meshuarat Budget dan tidak pada hari ini.

Kalau Second sa-penoh-nya dan 2265 25 OCTOBER 1966 2266 Reading-nya pada hari ini tidak dapat kalau hendak di-bahathkan.
dengan beralaskan Dudok-nya perbedzaan dengan wang kumpulan yang sa-benar, sebab itu expenditure bagi negara kita bukan Development atau pun ada-kah Men- ini mengemukakan Rang teri kita Undang2 the ia-itu hiding behind legalism.

Menteri kita boleh membuat bagitu pada undang2 dengan tidak memberi peluang kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat mem- bahathkan dengan sa-penoh-nya.
Kalau di-benar di-bahathkan pun patut, tidak ada hendak yang membahathkan-nya sa-bahagian dari pada ini atau pun ini-kah satu peru- bahan chara berfikir dalam Malaysia baharu yang ada pada Menteri menge mukakan pada Dewan ini.

Pegawai2 Kerajaan sendiri pun hairan menengok falsafah baharu Menteri Kewangan kita ini nampak-nya dekat2 hendak Pre- siden falsafah baharu pun sudah timbul.
Johnson datang siapa ingin ini tak tadi tahu Tan Sri Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Yang Berhormat Wakil daripada Bachok telah menerangkan macham mana hendak di-telan, lagi, sama ada masam-kah atau manis-kah perkara yang di-katakan itu.

Kalau Yang Berhormat itu buka Deve lopment Estimates atas Penerbangan yang sudah sudah lalu yang kita ran bahathkan beberapa panjang changan2 itu bukan boleh di-habiskan jadi bersambong, kerana sa-tahun, pembayaran-nya di-adakan pada tahun 1967—sambongan.
$127,397,000 hendak Umpama-nya dalam Kementerian saya, saya terangkan di-sini berkenaan dengan Padang Lapangan Terbang International antara-bangsa atau umpama-nya.

Kerja2, ini berpanjangan daripada dahulu bersambong lagi, belum habis lagi.

Tetapi kalau waktu bulan dua belas atau pun pada bulan satu di- terangkan oleh Menteri Kewangan tadi, akan bertemu dengan Hari Raya China, maka pekerja2 ini hendakkan gaji-nya.
Kalau kita tidak dapat meluluskan wang peruntokan ini, macham mana gaji kita hendak menyempurnakan awal tahun 1967.

Tentang bahathan, bagaimana tahun 1967 telah di-bahathkan kebanyakan dari pada ranchangan2 ini.

Maka jangan- lah bersalah faham—saya chuma hen dak menerangkan fasal Development Ranchang2 ini umpama-nya sekarang saya pun ada bersedia kalau hendak tanya saya boleh menerangkan.
Chuma Menteri Kewangan tadi menerangkan supaya tidak-lah kita membuang waktu apabila peruntokan ranchangan tahun 1967 yang lengkap sa-puas kita membahathkan dengan hati.

Yang ini menyambong kebanya kan daripada kerja2 yang tidak dapat di-habiskan pada akhir tahun ini.
kita meminta Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: tahun 1967, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, untok menerang kan yang itu sa-bagai ini, jawapan pirate ya'ani mencheritakan apa yang saya katakan, saya sudah bersetuju bahawa masa peluang sa-belum dari pada Meshuarat Budget kita itu kita jangan buang bagitu sahaja—itu saya sudah bersetuju.

Tetapi mengaitkan Development bagi jadi susah kita hendak bahathkan.
Kalau sa-kira-nya pehak Kerajaan meminta tambahan development ini untok men- jalankan sa-hingga tahun 1966, saya menyokong penoh dengan tidak meli- tidak batkan tahun 1967 dan kalau boleh di- boleh laksanakan dalam tahun 1966, di-bawa pada tahun 1967—tidak menjadi satu masaalah.

Tetapi yang menjadi masa- ini untok alah sekarang, peruntokan tahun 1967—kita sudah mendahului Meshuarat Budget dan Development yang kita hendak bahathkan.
Jadi erti- nya bila kita berjumpa dengan Per untokan Development, hendak di- bahathkan yang ini sa-mula sedang- kan yang ini sudah berjalan tidak boleh di-bahathkan yang dalam sudah berjalan.

Tidak pernah orang meminang sudah berkahwin!

di-bayar, perkara tidak I can assure Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Member for Batu that I dislike this procedure even more than he does, for the simple reason that this pro cedure it adds to the work of the Treasury and myself.
So, I can assure him that, if it can be avoided at all, I shall cer tainly avoid it.
The reason, of course, is not only cumbersome, 2267 25 OCTOBER 1966 2268 to cut short why we have to adopt this procedure for this year is because Bulan Puasa will begin rather earlier than usual, and there is really no time in which to complete the Budget before the end of this year, bearing in mind also that I had to be away to attend the annual meetings of the International Mone tary Fund and the International Bank, and there is very little time between my return to this country and the date at which the Budget Meeting should commence, before Bulan Puasa would intervene the Budget session of this House, which as Hon ourable Members know, lasts anything from five is not correct, as stated by the Honourable Member, is an unusual this practice insofar as other countries are concerned.
If anything, I think, more countries begin the Budget session after the commencement of the finan cial year than otherwise.

So, what we are doing today, in fact, is not un usual judged by international stand ards.

I do not think either that the Budget session should go or extend beyond February.

We hope to begin the Budget session in early January and we should, think, end well I before the end of February next year.

to six weeks.
to six weeks.

It that plus that the Minister will ask for at a subsequent meeting of this House.

Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not think that I got hold of the wrong end of the stick.

The Honourable Member for Batu suggested that if we ask for $127 million for a period of 2 months, the total appropriation for the whole year would be $127 million multiplied by 6.
I am trying to tell him that the figure to be multiplied by 6 is $87 million, because you should substract the the $40 million Contingencies Reserve.

for Speaker, Dr Tan Chee Khoon: On a point of Sir,—I clarification, Mr regret to be so tedious.

I have men tioned the figure of $400 over million which multiplied by 6 will give us $2,400 million over, which certainly is more than one-sixth of any sum that the Minister usually asks for.
The Assistant Minister of Finance (Dr Ng Kam Poh): Sir, on a point of is the Expenditure clarification—that on Account Bill.

We are now talking on the resolution on the Provisional Development Estimate.

the Honourable Member for Batu is a bit confused on these two issues.

think I for The other point raised by the Hon ourable Member is in regard to the magnitude of the sum asked for.

I think he has missed the $40 million the Contingencies Re provided serve.
If you subtract the $40 million from the $127 million you get $87 million, and $87 million multiplied by 6 is a further indication of the magnitude of next year's Develop ment Estimates.

If the Honourable Member will care to do a little mental arithmatic, he will find that this figure ($87 million X 6) should not exceed $540 million, which is about the order of magnitude of previous Development Estimates.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Sir, on a point of clarification—I regret that the Hon ourable Minister has got the wrong end of the stick.

I did not quibble about the $127 million that he has asked in this Motion.

What I queried was, and I crave your indulgence for bringing in this, is this $400 million- Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, may I crave your indulgence?
In this matter, raising thought of I saving the Honourable Minister of Finance my having to ask him this question again when he introduces the subsequent Bill before the House; and consequently I am taking this oppor tunity of asking him about this figure of about $400 over million to save the trouble of wasting this House, when at a subsequent sitting he introduces the other Bill.

the time of Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I think, again there is a slight mis understanding.

I see his point now.


This figure of $456 million should be multiplied by 3 and not by 6, because four is designed it months and not two months' expenditure.

to provide for for Dr Tan Chee Khoon: No, Mr Spea ker, Sir.

He has told us that the Bud get Session should not go beyond 2269 25 OCTOBER 1966 2270 February next year.

Why should he come to this House at a subsequent sitting to ask for four months or one- quarter?
Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, the Honourable Member will Sir, appreciate that we must have a margin of safety (Laughter).

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That this House resolves that a sum not exceeding $127,397,000 be expended out of the Development Fund in respect of the financial year 1967, and that to meet the purposes of the Heads and Sub-heads set out in the first and second columns of the Provisional Development Estimates for 1967 laid on the Table as Command Paper No.
34 of 1966, there be appropriated the sums specified opposite such Heads and Sub-heads in the seventh and eighth columns thereof.

Sitting suspended at 1.00 p.m.

Sitting resumed at 4.00 p.m. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) THE CONSTITUTION (AMEND MENT) BILL Second Reading Dr Lim Chong Eu (Tanjong): Mr Spea ker, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Con stitution of the Federation" be read a second time.
the Members of Honourable Members will be aware that the formal Bill, which is before us today, is the result of the motion which I first moved on November 10th last year, and they will recall that the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister, speaking on behalf of the Government and the Alliance benches, agreed to grant me leave to introduction of a proceed with Private Member's Bill.
Accordingly, the draft Bill had been referred to the responsible Minister in the Govern ment, as regulated by Standing Order 49, and it has also been processed by the Attorney-General's Office.

Therefore, the Bill, as it stands and as it reads to day, may be said to be a product of the Attorney- the Government and it was General's Office, initiated by myself in the first instance.
although the Sir, I would like to take this oppor tunity to thank the Government and the Attorney-General's Office for having assisted and guided me in the preparation of this simple but never theless very important Bill.

Since then, the Bill lapsed with the closing of the Second Session of the House and I had again introduced the Bill under Standing Order 49 at the convening of the Third Session of this Parliament.
Once again, the Honour able Deputy Prime Minister, then the acting Prime Minister, agreed to grant me leave to proceed with the intro duction of the Bill which is before us today.

reasons of The objects and this Bill, Sir, are clearly stated in the Bill.

It is to provide greater stability to our Constitution.

Everyone appreciates the importance of the National Constitu tion.
Everyone also understands that although we must uphold the Constitu tion as sacrosanct, nevertheless, in the light of our continuing experience, it should still be subject to amendment, if the amendment ensures greater strength and solidarity for our nation and our people.

Under those circum that realises stances, Sir, everyone amendments our Constitution should not be lightly made, nor indeed should they be hastily made.
to regulates At the present time, Article 159 (3) of our Constitution the manner whereby amendments to our Constitution should be made.

As it now reads, this Article ensures that amendments to our Constitution should not be lightly made.

Therefore, there is a mandatory provision which insists that any constitutional amendment must be supported by not less than total number of two-thirds of the Members of either House of important Parliament.
Sir, how this provision referred back is can be to the very beginnings of our Federal Constitution, when the Reid Consti and tution Commission framed led to the Federation of Malaya Constitution, 1957, which is the basis of the present Federation of Malaysia the Constitution, which the groundwork and the formation of first met the 2271 25 OCTOBER 1966 2272 to how Constitution.
At that time, Sir, from 1956 onwards, there was great contro versy as that mandatory provision of stability should be made there was some insistance also and that the House three-quarters should have to vote in favour of any amendment of the Constitution.

of the increasing Sir, when I moved my motion under Standing Order 49 last year, I said that we were greatly concerned rapidity whereby by constitutional amendments were made.
By this I refer specifically to the fact that there had been instances when Members of this House did not re ceive copies of the proposed amend ing Bill until just before the House convened, and then the entire amend ment was rushed through within one sitting of the House.
through The most outstanding examples of this hastiness was dramatically de this House bull monstrated, when dozed constitutional the amendments which led to the separa tion of the State of Singapore, all within three hours, and also a matter of when inter this House drastically preted the relationships of State and Federal powers by forcing through the Emergency (Federal Constitution and Constitution of Sarawak) Act, 1966, at the last meeting of this House held on September, 1966. like I would to state very Sir, that we should not concern clearly ourselves with the political contro versies associated with the events of August 9th, 1965 or of September 16, 1966, in our debate over the present Bill.
Nevertheless, I feel sure that, because of these two critical amend ments, many Members in this House and large sections of our people were made to realise that our Constitution is perhaps not so stable and so sacro sanct as we had been made to believe it to be.

As a matter of fact, some to historians would probably these two incidents as Malaysia's con tribution to the art of making and unmaking written constitutional his tory.
Certainly on both instances, the Dewan Ra'ayat, because of the acute the urgency of time factor refer the in passing of these amendments, became no more than a mere rubber stamp or wayang kulit institution to implement policies which auto cratically taken.
been had In the first instance, we had what we may refer to as a constitutional coup d'etat which, in spite of its very basic contradiction against the spirit of a constitution which did not, does not, provide for secession or partition of any of the constituent States, never theless led to the dismemberment of one of the States of the Federation of Malaysia, an act which not even the confrontation height of the second managed instance, this House perpetrated an act of constitu tional coup de grace which may yet well undermine the whole concept and structure of our Federation, of rela tion between States and States, and relation the between States Federation.
Indonesian to achieve.

In the more recent one, and this their support to provide stability.
Without Sir, it will, therefore, be seen that the time factor which is so necessary, in order legislative body with the capacity to deliberate upon our actions as representatives of the people, has now become an all- in the provision of important factor constitutional it, without this time factor, the amend ments to our constitution seem to be so unseemly hasty and undemocraticaly peremptory, and in spite of the fact that more.than two thirds of the Mem bers gave those amendments in this House, this House lost some of its dignity and prestige, because the decisions appeared to be inadequately debated an insufficiently deliberated.
The power of the Whips was nakedly more potent the reason of words in the Dewan Ra'ayat.

Therefore, Sir, with a minimum of partisan polities being involved all those who are aware of the need to preserve and sustain the stability of our Constitution now feel it necessary the to find some solution, whereby dignity and sanctity of our constitution can be actually preserved and sustain ed.

than to This Bill, Sir, in effect seeks to do this.
Whilst accepting the provisions 2273 25 OCTOBER 1966 2274 now contained in Article 159 (3) the present Bill further provides for a time factor, so that thirty days must elapse between the first and second readings of any Bill seeking to amend the Constitution.
to note I was very happy that, during the course of his speech on November 10th last year on behalf of the Government giving me leave to proceed with my motion, the Honour able Deputy Prime Minister indicated that the Government and the Alliance Party were as interested as anyone else in preserving the sanctity of the Constitution.
I may say, Sir, that the Government having allowed this Bill to proceed so far in effect indicates that there is little disagreement over the principle and the objective of the Bill.

However, Sir, since the Bill was first moved by me last November, we have had two instances of Govern ment's vacillation.

We had the instance where we passed amendments to the Constitution where the Government very graciously gave us three months to deliberate the Bill as it was laid to the House.
Then following that, Sir, the Government came up with another amendment to the Constitution, where this we were again presented with same hastiness where the Bill was pre in sented the through after morning and rushed several postponements the night, in and even debate was not complete.

Therefore, I feel that it will be un expectedly vacillating on the part of the Government, and the benches opposite, if today we suddenly find them opposed to the simplicity of the Bill on the grounds of merit alone.
the House early to Sir, I sincerely hope that the Mem bers of this House will on this occa sion rise above partisan affinities and support this Bill because it seeks to augment the dignity and sanctity of our national Constitution by provid ing for greater stability of its Atricles.

I realise that I cannot possibly hope to secure the passage of this Bill through this House unless I have the undec lared the Government Whips.
Therefore, just as the prepara tion of the Bill by virtue of Standing Order 49, and in practice through the support of in the House co-operation of the Government and the Attorney-General's office indicates that the Bill, as it is presented, is the result of happy co-operation from both sides of this House, so will it be, Sir, that the passage of this Bill will mark the co-operative effort from all shades of opinion today.
If indeed this can be done, then we shall the today clearly demonstrate people in our nation and to other nations that in so far as the national interests are concern and in so far as the national Constitution is concern, in particular so far as our national Constitution and our sovereignty are in concerned, all shades of opinion this House are indivisibly united.
to Sir, I call upon all the Members of the House to support the Bill as a demonstration of our united deter mination to preserve and sustain the stability of our nation's Constitution.

To oppose it, Sir, would leave us com pletely in the arms of history where those who oppose it must be called vacillators.

Sir, I beg to move.

Tuan Ong Kee Hui: Sir, I rise to second the Bill.


The Honourable Mem ber for Tanjong has in introducing the Constitution (Amendment) Bill ex plained the object and reasons for the Bill.

This is, if I am not mistaken, Sir, the first time that a Private Member's Bill has come before the House, and in seconding I would like, Sir, to appeal to Members on both sides of the House to give this Bill their support.

It is in my view an important Bill, short and simple, though it may be.
It seeks to ensure that Honourable Members will, if this Bill is passed, have adequate notice of any legisla tion which has for its objects amend ment to the Constitution.

Honourable Members will agree that the Constitution should be regarded as a sacred document, and any change to it should only be made after long and very careful consideration, the widest publicity, and in consultation with the people of the country.
Since I sat in this House, two occasions, when ments to the Constitution had been important amend there had been 2275 25 OCTOBER 1966 2276 of the the House accepts made with barely a day's notice.

Both these amendments are still fresh in our minds.

I refer, Sir, to the constitu tional brought amendment which about the seperation of Singapore a year ago and the amendment to the Constitution at the last meeting of this House which affects Sarawak.
Both these amendments to the Constitution have very serious repercussions and implications, and yet the House had only a few hours' notice in each case.

In both cases Honourable Members were called upon to decide on funda mental issues with no opportunity to assess these implications changes, or have the benefit of advise, or were able to gauge possible public the reactions.
If amendment proposed by my friend, the Honourable Member for Tanjong, Honourable Members will, in future, have a month to consider amendments to the Constitution.

This amendment which is proposed in the Bill will have the effect of restoring the confidence of the people in our Constitution.

With due respect, Sir, I must say that the confidence of the people in Sarawak has been very badly shaken by the amendments to which I have referred.
Contained in the Constitution are safeguards for the Borneo States which have been agreed lengthy negotiations, and if to after amendments can be this House with any notice, without an opportunity for prior consultation with the people concerned, the confidence of our people, not only in the Constitu tion but also in the House itself will be gravely undermined.
I hope, therefore, from Sir, that Honourable Members both sides of the House will give this Constitution (Amendment) Bill, which has appeared in Order Paper at several meetings but which has had to be deferred until today, their full support.

the Constitution flung on to Sir, I beg to second.

in then, this Bill to allow him on behalf of the Government that he should be allowed and be given such as Honourable leave.
Since Members are aware, he had submitted the draft Bill to the Government and we also agreed to introduce this House though, as the Honourable Member himself has stated just now, under the Standing Rules and Orders, the intro duction of the this Bill agreement of the Government.
The Government readily gave the agree ment, in order that the Honourable Member could have the full oppor tunity to submit his case to this House, or in legal terms, to the Judicature of this land, to enable his views to be fully heard—to put it in legal terms, Sir, we agreed to give the Honourable Member for Tanjong full and ample opportunity to submit his case fully for judgment by this House.
requires Now, Sir, having heard him just now, and having heard the Honour able Member seconding this motion, I must say that the Government is not satisfied that they have made out a case to erode the principle and the substance of our Constitution, which have been embodied and incorporated not by experts from this country but by experts from outside, who have had experience on the working of Constitutions of other countries.
The members of the Reid Commission who incorporated drafted our Constitution this provision for the amendment of our Constitution.

They had before them the experience of the workings of Constitutions in other countries and also, bearing in mind the conditions in this country, the views of a cross section of our population through party organisation, business organi sation, and other bodies.
So, therefore, the Reid it was clear, Sir, Commission had given this matter very careful and very serious consideration.
that The Deputy Prime Minister (Tun Haji Abdul Razak): Mr Speaker, Sir, when for the Honourable Member Tanjong asked this House for leave last November to proceed with his motion to move a Private Member's the Bill to seek an amendment Constitution, I was very happy to agree to Now, the Honourable Member for Tanjong, in moving this Bill lay stress on the fact that without the proposed amendment to our Constitution, our Constitution will appear, in his own words, "undemocratically peremptory", and that amendment could be brought the Constitution without giving to 2277 25 OCTOBER 1966 2278 Members adequate notice, or adequate to debate and deliberate, and time thus taking away some of the dignity and prestige of this House.
Therefore, Sir, the Honourable Member proposed that there should be a lapse of thirty the first and second days between readings of any Bill seeking to amend the Constitution to enable Members of this House to sit over the Bill and to think over it.
Sir, paragraph 80 of the Reid Commission's Report on our Consti tution reads as follows, and I quote: is "It that important the method of amending the Constitution should be neither so difficult as to produce frustration nor so easy as to weaken seriously the safeguards which the Constitution provides.
We are all of the opinion that a referendum would not be a suitable method in the Federation and that amendments should be made by Acts of Parliament provided an Act to amend the Constitution must be passed in each House by a majority of at least two-thirds of the members voting.

In this matter, the House of Representatives should not have power to overrule the Senate.

We think that this is a sufficient safeguard for the States, because the majority of the Members of the Senate will represent the States.
Our recommenda tion (Article 150) (now modified in Article 159) is that except where the Constitution itself provides that any of its provisions can be altered by ordinary legislation, amendment of the Constitution should only be competent by an Act of Parliament passed in each House by a majority of two-thirds of the members present and voting being also a majority of the total number of members of the House."
Now, Sir, Honourable Members should its present form, our note Constitution has gone beyond the recommendation originally made by the Reid Commission.

Article 159 (3) requires a proposed amendment to the Constitution to be supported on the second and third readings by the votes of not less than two-thirds of the total number of members of each of the Houses of Parliament.
Now, what the Honourable Member for Tanjong is seeking to achieve is to upset this very sort of fine balance between the inflexibility which would produce easy-to-amend- the and frustration Constitution a fine balance which we now have in our Constitution.

that in and the dignity the unnecessary special conditions, and our country rigid should avoid procedure for the amendment of our Constitution.
On the other hand, we must provide the necessary safeguards to preserve the sanctity, as he himself said, of our Constitution.

I submit, Sir, that this Bill does not augment the dignity of this House, or the sanctity of our Constitution, but rather unnecessarily add to the rigidity and inflexibility of the provision for the amending of our Constitution which, as the wise archi tects of the constitution said, would produce frustration.
to We should not, Sir, unnecessarily compare our another country country—to America or to Australia.

The position in those two countries must necessarily be different from ours.

Now, our present Constitution requires a majority of two-thirds of the members of both Houses before any amendment can be made to it.

This, Sir, is sound and adequate.

It is not easy for any single political party in a democratic country such as ours to obtain a two- the Honourable thirds majority.
If Member would survey the political trends in the world today, he will find that there are not many democratic government which have a two-thirds majority.

What is more, Sir, we live in a very difficult and disturbed world, and a fast moving world.

We ourselves in Malaysia are passing through a very swift period of transition.
What we do today may not be suitable tomorrow; and so if we consider it necessary, to meet the immediate requirements of it be matters our country, whether security or other connected with to national the amend say we must Constitution, I decide straightaway.
this august If its members two thirds of body by agree to a certain course of action, then I feel that it is only right that they should be allowed to carry out their decision straightaway without waiting for 30 days, because if we do that we may be faced with a most serious situation.
interests, then The Honourable Member should know well that Malaysia is a young and developing country, and there are Now, Sir, let us take the instance the Honourable Member quoted by himself—the separation of Singapore: 2279 25 OCTOBER 1966 2280 a here I would like to explain, Sir, that the amendment to the Constitution by the emergency legislation for Sarawak was only temporary measure under Article 150 of the Constitution.
As we explained when moving the Bill, the to measures meet a situation which required imme diate action by the Government.

So, Sir, that was not a measure intended to per manently.

our Constitution taken were temporary amend to lead However, let us take the question of that the separation of Singapore.
If Bill for the separation of Singapore was delayed for 30 days to effect the separation of Singapore from Malay sia, much would be discussed both inside and outside this House, and it would to undesirable repercus sions—to racial clashes and trouble— which would be detrimental the security and the true interests of our country.

Also we have countries out side our own which were interested in the separation and they might also take advantage of the delay.
There fore, my colleagues in the Government decided at that time, with the agree ment of the Government of Singapore, to stand firm on the provisions of Article 159 of our Constitution and to proceed with the amendment to the Constitution, because we considered it vital to the peace and security of our country that it should be done.
in As T have said, it is not easy for any democratic government the world to have a two-thirds majority in Parliament, and any government which has a majority of half the members must consider itself lucky.

Therefore, when the people of a country through democratic a Party with such a big majority, they and obviously have confidence the right things, and to serve their country sincerely (Applause).
inplicit the Party faith to do supported processes in Sir, during the last eleven years the Alliance Government has clearly ful filled the trust and the confidence that the people have in them.

The record of our achievements speaks for itself and we are prepared to leave ourselves open, as the Honourable Member said, an took over took over the country was in the arms of history to be judged by the history.
When we Government, faced with Emergency—the British Government had fought the Emergency for nine years with little success.

When the Government and we obtained independence for this coun try, we also obtained the support of the people, and with the support of the to defeat people we were able the two years.
After Communists within we ended the Emergency in July, 1960, we diverted the whole effort of the Government towards economic deve lopment, so that the people will enjoy the happiness and prosperity which they desired and which they deserved to enjoy.
Today, we are ourselves proud this the progress country has achieved in the field of development and, indeed, no country which has achieved independence at the time that we had achieved it has progressed so much and has succeeded in their development programmes with such speed and with such efficiency.

implementing that of During are enshrined these years, Sir, we have always upheld the democratic princi in our ples which Constitution.
We believe strongly in these principles of our Constitution and we believe they must be that clearly upheld and if, in the day-do- the country, day administration of amendments the Constitution are necessary, we have always done so in accordance with the process provided by our Constitution.

to for the provision the Constitution the Now, Sir, amendment of is considered, as I said, by constitutional experts to provide sufficient safeguard and as a provision normally adopted by democratic countries.
In India, for instance, the procedure for amending the Constitution is even less stringent.

In the Constitution can be amended by a majority of two-thirds of the members of both Houses of Parliament present and voting, whereas we have provided for a majority of two-thirds of the number of members of both Houses.

Sir, I consider that these safeguards are adequate.
India 2281 25 OCTOBER 1966 2282 flexibility, the one suggested by Sir, the real issue before the House is whether we should retain a Consti tution of sufficient such flexibility being ensured by a stringent but not insurmountable requirement of two-thirds majority of votes in the House, or have an additional obstacle such as the Honourable Member in this Bill.

We, on the Government side, consider that is no need for an additional there requirement stringent provision.
The that two-thirds of the members of both Houses should vote in favour of any amendment is sufficiently stringent as to safeguard the dignity and sanctity, as the Honourable Member himself stated, of our nations' Constitution.
Therefore, to suggest that the present Government, or any Government, for that matter, with a two-thirds majority in both Houses will abuse its powers constitutional about by amendments contrary to the wishes of the inhabitants of this country, Sir, is to doubt the validity of the principle which governs parliamentary democ racy, and it amounts to an insult to the intelligence of the electorate which put this Government in office.
I would like to say here categorically this Constitution of ours will be respected for as long as the Alliance Government is in power, and I pray that this will be for all time.

bringing that Mr Speaker, Sir, in view of what I have explained, the Government does not consider that this amendment is necessary and I, therefore, regret that the Government cannot support the proposed amendment (Applause).

Mr Speaker: Chakap-lah Jangan panjang2.

sadikit.


Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan izin tuan, saya hendak berchakap sadikit sahaja berkenaan dengan ia-itu dalam hujjah yang di-beri oleh pehak Kerajaan bahawa tidak mustahak di- hidupkan faktor masa atau pun time factor dalam hendak mengubah atau meminda undang2 Perlembagaan kita, tetapi hanya berdasarkan kapada undi 2/3 sudah menchukupi.
ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada satu segi, saya bersetuju dengan pehak time factor Kerajaan bahawa time factor itu tidak terkadang2- bagitu mustahak.

Tetapi itu-lah nya oleh kerana tidak pehak Kerajaan bukan sahaja memberi pehak peluang Pembangkang ini memberi fikiran-nya, juga memberi peluang tetapi kapada ahli2 bangku belakang Kera jaan sendiri pun tumpang mengerti apa yang di-buat oleh Kerajaan itu.
kapada tidak ini tidak, sa-bulan reading dan Bill Tetapi yang pelek-nya, Tuan Yang ini, Rang Undang2 di-Pertua, Bill ia-lah Rang Undang2 hendak ini, meminda Perlembagaan.

Sama ada Kerajaan menerima atau itu masaalah lain.

Tetapi Yang Amat Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri tidak mustahak kita mengatakan untok jangka masa itu second juga proof diri-nya sudah lebeh sa-bulan.
Jadi erti-nya kalau Bill ini di-bawa dengan Private Bill dan beri masa sa-bulan daripada hari mengemuka- kan dengan hari bachaan yang kedua.

Tetapi bagi pehak Kerajaan dia ini.

time factor tidak menggunakan Jadi di-waktu Kerajaan membangkang time factor ini Kerajaan juga melaku time factor ini.

Jadi itu-lah menunjok kata suara 2/3 itu kalau tidak di-ikat kapada time factor, saya rasa banyak- lah peluang2 yang akan dj-mainkan oleh Kerajaan.
ini time tetapi factor Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak- lah hendak menentukan bahawa sa- bulan atau pun dua bulan jangka masa itu, itu amat-lah time factor mustahak.

Jadi saya tidak dapat tahu- lah sama ada Kerajaan betul2 sudah memikirkan tidak mustahak atau pun sa-mata2 kerana hendak menolak Rang Undang2 ini.

Walau bagaimana pun, saya menge- shorkan supaya pehak Kerajaan yang suara-nya bagitu banyak dan pehak U.D.P.
yang sa-orang sahaja, nasib baik-lah ada orang sokong tadi, kalau tidak, motion itu jatoh bagitu sahaja, ia-itu kita tambah lagi sa-lepas Bill "has been"—kita tambah, kechuali kalau pehak Kerajaan memikirkan perkara itu mustahak di-segerakan.

Jadi, saya rasa dengan demikian pehak Pembangkang pun puas hati, pehak Kerajaan pun puas hati.

Kalau tauladan, Kerajaan hendak tunjokkan 2283 25 OCTOBER 1966 2284 ini, jikalau tidak pun, Yang di-Pertua, terima kaseh.
Itu-lah sahaja pendapat saya, Tuan hendak bekerjasama dengan pehak pembangkang memang kita tahu-lah.

Kalau Tunku Abdul Rahman boleh tahan juga-lah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

Tun Razak, kalau dia kata, ta' ada chance-lah kita hendak bangkang soal itu tadi.

Question put.

The House divided: Ayes- -7; Noes—62; Abstentions—Nil.
Tuan Tama Weng Tinggang Wan Tuan K h oo Peng Loong Tuan Ong Kee Hui Tun Haji Abdul Razak bin D a t o' Hussain Dr Lim Swee Aun Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan bin Haji Sakhawat Ali Khan Tan Sri Temenggong Jugah anak Barieng Tuan Senu bin Abdul Rahman Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman Tan Sri Fatimah binti Haji Hashim Datin Hajjah Fatimah binti Haji Abdul Majid Puan Ajibah binti Abol D a t o' Haji Mustapha bin Abdul Jabar Tuan Hanafiah bin Hussain D a t o' Abdullah bin Abdul- rahman Dr Mahathir bin Mohamed D a t o' Dr Haji Megat Khas Tan Sri Nik Ahmad Kamil Y .
A .

M. Tunku Abdullah ibni Almarhum Tuanku Abdul Rahman Tuan Tan Toh Hong Wan Abdul Kadir bin Ismail Tuan Syed Esa bin Alwee A Y ES Tuan Stephen Yong Kuet Tze Tuan Edwin anak Tangkun Tuan Edmund Langgu anak Saga Dr Lim Chong Eu.

NOES Tuan Abdul Ghani bin Ishak Tuan Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib Tuan Abdul Karim bin Abu Tuan Othman bin Abdullah Tuan Haji Mokhtar bin Haji Ismail Tuan Aziz bin Ishak Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad Tuan Haji Redza bin Haji Mohd.

Said Tuan Mohd.
Said Tuan Mohd.

Idris bin Matsil Tuan Joseph David Manjaji Tuan C. John Ondu Majakil Tuan Ismail bin Idris Tuan Haji Muhd.

Su'aut bin Haji Muhd.

Tahir Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah Tuan Sulaiman bin Haji Taib Tuan Ramli bin Omar Tuan Tajuddin bin Ali Pengarah Banyang anak Janting Tuan Sandom anak Nyuak Tuan Haji Zakaria bin Haji Mohd.
Taib Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Said Tuan Snawi bin Ismail ABSTENTIONS Nil Tuan Hussein bin To' Muda Hassan Tuan Muhamad Yusof bin Mahmud Tuan Ng Fah Yam Tuan Chan Chong Wen Tuan Seah Teng Ngiab Tuan Chin Foon Tuan Haji Rahmat bin Haji Daud Tuan Haji Abdullah bin Haji Mohd.

Salleh Wan Mokhtar bin Ahmad Tuan Soh Ah Teck Tuan Haji Abdul Rashid bin Haji Jais Tuan M o h d. Arif Saleh Tuan Ganing bin Jangkat Tuan Mohd.

Tahir bin Abdul Majid Raja Rome bin Raja Ma'amor Tuan Sng Chin Joo Tuan Hanafi bin Mohd.
Yunus Tuan D. A.

D a go anak Randan Tuan Francis Chia Nyuk Tong Tuan Stanley Ho Ngan Khiu Tuan Yeh Pao Tze.

Bill accordingly not agreed to.

Mr Speaker: The House is now adjourned until 10 a.m. tomorrow.

House adjourned at 5 p.m. 2285 25 OCTOBER 1966 2286 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE AND CO-OPERATIVES Phytophthora 1.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minis ter of Agriculture and Co-operatives what steps have been taken to prevent the rubber disease, PHYTOPHTHORA from spreading out of certain parts of Kedah and Perlis.

The Minister of Agriculture and Co operatives (Tuan Haji Mohd.

Ghazali bin Haji Jawi): Every possible measure to control and prevent the phytophthora disease of rubber has been taken by the Ministry of Agriculture and Co-opera tives and the Rubber Research Institute of Malaya.
Aerial spraying of suspected outbreak areas was carried out on the mainland of Kedah, in Perlis and on Pulau Langkawi.

The collection, treat ment and disposal of seed pods of Hevea (para rubber) and other plant materials by burning or other methods (if necessary) have also been carried out in the affected areas.

Restriction has also been imposed on the movement outward of planting materials, particu larly Hevea from the affected areas.
Other State Governments have also been notified of the outbreak of the disease in Kedah and Perlis and have been requested to take immediate con trol measures as soon as outbreak of the disease is found in their States.

All the Department of field officers of Agriculture and the Rubber Research Institute have been directed to be on the lookout for the disease.
Members of the public, particularly the rubber planters and the rubber smallholders, have also been advised to report imme diately to the nearest agricultural office whenever it is suspected that the dis- sease has occurred in their areas or in other rubber holdings.

Double Cropping he is aware that double cropping may bring new problems, e.g., harvesting, storage, credits, marketing, etc.

If so, what measures has his Ministry taken to cope with such problems that will arise.
in his question, Tuan Haji Mohd.

Ghazali bin Jawi: The Hon'ble Member, in mentioning double-cropping is presumably referring to padi produc tion.

My Ministry is fully aware of the new problems arising from increased double-cropping of padi.

At present, although more than 89,000 acres of padi land are double-cropped, no harvesting and storage problems have arisen.

The padi planters themselves have managed to harvest and store their padi without difficulty.
Over investigations for thorough appraisal of the next five years, double cropping of new padi areas will be mainly in the Muda River of Kedah and Perlis, and the Kemubu Irrigation Scheme of Kelantan.

The World Bank has already given a loan for the Muda River Scheme; for the Kemubu Scheme, all preliminary the loan have been completed.

Before the granting of such loans, the World Bank the makes a viability of the projects and the Bank to get an itself sends her own staff accurate assessment of the project.
Therefore, the problems that will be encountered, such as those mentioned by the Hon'ble Member, have been fully studied by the World Bank experts and they are confident that the Govern ment can overcome all these problems.

the My Ministry taking necessary steps.

Among others, the following have been undertaken: is already (a) A Farm Management Survey is being carried out in the Muda River project area to study the socio-economic problems of padi production.
The findings of the survey will enable this Ministry to set up satisfactory arrange ments for the storage and trans portation of padi.

2.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minis ter of Agriculture and Co-operatives if (b) It is envisaged that problems in harvesting may arise.

To meet this 2287 25 OCTOBER 1966 2288 eventuality, investigations into the mechanical harvesting and thresh ing of padi crop have also been planned and will be put into operation during the next padi harvest.
(c) The problem of the supply of institutional credit at reasonable rates of interest is vital to the success of our double-cropping schemes.

The Co-operative move ment has been the main source of institutional credit, however, they are only able to meet a part of the credit requirements of the padi planters.

Other organizations such as Padi Planters Boards also supply some credit.
The Govern ment has plans to co-ordinate, the strengthen and re-organise present system of agricultural credits so as to improve the living standards of padi farmers.

A team of experts from the World Bank will soon arrive to undertake an agricultural credit survey of the country and make recommenda tions on measures that need be taken to ensure the creation of an comprehensive integrated system of agricultural credits to meet the needs of the farmers.
(d) The problem of padi marketing is receiving the full attention of the Federal Agricultural Marketing Authority and padi marketing schemes are being worked out for the main padi producing areas account having marketing problems that will arise from double cropping.

taken into and MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND INDUSTRY Committee on Commerce and Industry 3.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Commerce and Industry if he has received a letter from the Federation of Kwang Tung Associa tion asking Government to set up a committee on commerce and industry, consisting of businessmen to advice on import restrictions of goods and raw materials.

If so, what action he has taken on this letter.

The Minister of Commerce and In dustry (Dr Lim Swee Aun): Yes, I have received a letter from the Federa tion of Kwang Tung Association re ferred to by the Hon'ble Member.
As the Hon'ble Member is aware that the Tariff Advisory Board has been set up, by an Act of Parliament, to advise the Government on matters pertaining to protective measures for local industries including restriction on imports.

The Board consists of not only Government officials but also unofficials represent ing commerce and industry.

It is con sidered that the present arrangement is adequate and that it is not necessary to set up another advisory committee.

Port Swettenham 4.
Port Swettenham 4.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Commerce and Industry if he is aware that Port Swettenham, the gateway to Malaysia Barat has the dirtiest jetty and the filthiest scenery that can be arranged.

If so, what has the Tourist Bureau done to improve matters to create a better image of Malaysia for tourists who land at Port Swettenham.
Dr Lim Swee Aun: As the Hon'ble Member is aware, the sea ports of the world are generally never clean and, except for San Francisco and Sydney to have Harbours which happen natural scenic beauty, the scenery of ports depend upon the development of the hinterland which is beyond the control of the Tourism Division.

The Tourism Division of the Ministry con centrates on the development of areas that have potential interests to over seas tourists and the dissemination of information.
A sum of $100,000 has been ear marked in the First Malaysia Plan to build a Display and Information the North Klang Straits Centre at Wharves where private Enterprise will 2289 25 OCTOBER 1966 2290 be invited to take sites around the Centre to develop other tourist facili ties and amenities.

N.E.B.

Technical Services Union the 5.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Commerce and Industry if he is aware of the picketing by 500 the N.E.B.
Technical members of Services Union their upward revision of salaries, overtime allowances and other fringe benefits.

If so, what steps has the N.E.B.

taken to settle this industrial dispute.

in support of Dr Lim Swee Aun: The members of the N.E.B.

Technical Services Union picketed 16th September, 1966 although the Board's Joint in session.
Industrial Council was the 15th and on rectifying The Board has since drawn up new schemes anomalies which may exist between the respective grades of employees in the Govern the Board's ment Technicians and Junior Technical Assistants' schemes.

any Batek Factory 6.


Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Menteri Per- dagangan dan Perusahaan, (a) jika dia sedar sa-buah kilang batek yang besar sudah terdiri di-Butterworth; ia-itu (b) ada-kah Kerajaan membantu- nya melalui mana2 saloran, jika ya, sa-banyak mana sebutkan bantuan itu; dan (c) ada-kah Kerajaan ia-itu dengan terdiri-nya kilang batek yang di-bantu oleh Kerajaan, pcngusaha2 di-Kelantan batek akan menemui kemusnahan.
sedar yang Dr Lim Swee Aun: (a) Saya tidak tahu apa2 tentang ada-nya kilang batek di-Butterworth.

besar Walau bagaimana pun, ada sa-buah kilang yang bernama Kilang Me- nenun, Menchelup dan Mengechap Kain Malaysia, Berhad (Malaysian Weaving, Dyeing and Printing Factory, Ltd.) di-dirikan di-bawah taraf perintis untok mengechap dan menenun kain yang boleh di-guna sarong; sa-bagai kain2 (b) dan (c) Memandang kapada soalan (a) maka soalan (b) dan (c) tiada berbangkit.

Foreign Investment 7.


Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad bertanya kapada Menteri Perdagangan dan Per usahaan : (a) berapa-kah bilangan negeri2 asing yang telah menanam modal di- ini dan dalam dalam negeri lapangan perusahaan apa-kah modal2 mereka; (b) nyatakanjumlah bilangan saham2 yang di-berikan kapada orang2 tempatan; dan (c) sama ada Kerajaan berchadang hendak memberi peluang ka pada negara Komunis, Blok Barat, menanam modal dalam negeri ini, dengan membuka kilang2 perusahaan.
Dr Lim Swee Aun: (a) Sa-jumlah 18 buah negara2 asing telah menanam modal dalam menubohkan kilang2 yang mem- saperti barang2 buat barang2 makanan dan minuman, kain2 dan kasut hinggakan kapada alat2 ramuan2 kimia, tayar, letrik, besi, besi-waja dan lain2 hasil logam.

(c) Kerajaan (ft) Jumlah saham2 yang di-untok- kan bagi orang2 Malaysia ber- jumlah $95.07 juta pada 30-9-66. tidak-lah mengetahu'i akan ada-nya Negara2 Komi- nis dalam Blok Barat.
Sa-kira- nya Ahli Yang Berhormat boleh menamakan tersebut saya akan menimbangkan sama ada hendak membenarkan me reka mendirikan kilang2 di- Malaysia atau tidak.

negara2 Trade Relationship 8.


Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad bertanya kapada Menteri Perdagangan dan Per usahaan ia-itu memandang kapada kejayaan lawatan-nya ka-negeri2 Ero- pah, sama ada beliau dapat memberi- kan butir2 kehendak negeri2 Peranchis, 2291 25 OCTOBER 1966 2292 Italy, Holland, Belgium dan Jerman untok mengadakan perhubongan da- gangan dengan Malaysia, dan pada perengkat permulaan ini apa-kah lang- kah2 yang telah di-ambil dalam perkara ini.
Dr Lim Swee Aun: Untok ma'alum- an Ahli Yang Berhormat saya hanya hendak menyatakan ia-itu Malaysia sudah pun mempunyal hubongan per- niagaan dengan negara2 Peranchis, Italy, Belanda, Belgium dan Jerman (Jerman Barat).

Perhubongan ini telah bermula sejak beberapa tahun yang lalu.

Sugar Factory 9.
Tuan Mohamed Idris bin Matsil bertanya kapada Menteri Perdagangan dan Perusahaan supaya menerangkan: (a) menurut sa-bagaimana yang di- akhbar2 dan laporkan dalam menurut siaran2 radio, ada-kah beliau mengetahui bahawa sa- buah kilang gula akan di-dirikan di-Daerah Bahau, Negeri Sem- bilan dan bahawa suatu permo- honan untok mendapatkan sa- keping tanah sa-luas lebeh kurang 20,000 ekar, telah pun di-lanjut- kan kapada Kerajaan Negeri; (b) sudah-kah Menteri menerima per mohonan taraf perintis daripada pehak pengurus kilang tersebut, dan jika sudah, terangkan sama ini mendapat ada permohonan sokongan dari Kerajaan Negeri.
ada Dr Lim Swee Aun: (a) Saya sedar sa-tengah2 bahawa pengusaha tempatan yang sedang menimbang hen dak mendirikan sa-buah kilang gula dan memulakan tebu, di-Negeri Sembilan dan mereka sudah pun membuat permohonan kapada Kerajaan Negeri untok mendapatkan 20,000 ekar tanah untok maksud ini.
ladang2 gula (b) Sharikat itu telah bertanya ka pada Kementerian saya berkenaan dengan soal taraf perintis dan sharikat tersebut telah di-beritahu bahawa Kera jaan akan hanya menimbang memberi- kan taraf perintis kapada sa-sabuah kilang yang mengeluarkan gula dari gula tebu tanaman tempatan dan per- timbangan tidak akan di-beri kapada sa-sabuah kilang yang berchadang hendak menapis gula mentah yang di- impot.

Sa-takat ini belum ada kenyataan tegas sama ada Kerajaan Negeri mem- beri sokongan atau tidak.
MINISTRY OF DEFENCE Territorial Army 10.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Defence what is the strength of the Territorial Army.

How are they distributed in the States of Malaya and what will be the cost of maintaining them in 1966.

The Minister of Defence (Tun Haji Abdul Razak): There were a total of 41,950 officers and men serving in the Territorial Army including the Local Defence Corps at the end of August, 1966.

Their distribution however, can not be revealed for security reasons.
The estimated cost of maintaining them in 1966 is $28.3 million.

British and Commonwealth Troops the 11.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Defence when will the British and Commonwealth troops be completely withdrawn from Eastern Malaysia.

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Most of the British and Commonwealth fighting arms have been withdrawn from East Malaysia and it is expected that they in a will be completely withdrawn month or so.
However, some of their logistic units will remain for some time to come for purpose of removing their stores and equipment.

The Royal Air Force will also remain to provide air support to our Armed Forces during the interim period.

there Royal Malaysian Air Force 12.


Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Defence whether he would consider favourably applications from locally-recruited employees of the Bri tish Royal Air Force in this country to the Royal Malaysian for transfer Air Force, in view of the fact that such persons were locally recruited by the British and even if some of them do not yet possess Malaysian citizenship, they are born of parents who are Malaysian citizens.
2293 25 OCTOBER 1966 2294 Tun Haji Abdul Razak: The current regulations do not allow non-Malay sian citizens to be enlisted into the Malaysian Armed Forces.

Those who are Malaysian citizens, however, can be considered for enlist ment if they have the necessary quali fications required by the Royal Malay sian Air Force and if there are vacan cies for them.

Malaysian Rangers 13.


Tuan C. John Ondu Majakil asks the Minister of Defence whether the Government is aware that the Sabah Component of Malaysian Rangers presently in Tawau and in the Border Areas is expected to be removed to Lok Kawi Army Camp in Eastern Malaysia after the completion of their tour of duty, instead of being sent back to Western Malaysia and, if so, has Government anything to say on this matter.

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: It appears that Y.B.


Tuan C. John Ondu Majakil has been wrongly informed.

The batta lion in question, the 2nd Battalion of the Malaysian Rangers, is now back in is stationed at West Malaysia and Kuala Kubu Baharu Camp, Selangor.

The Hon'ble Member may be interested to know that units of the Malaysian Armed Forces are each its given a permanent camp and it is the present intention that Lok Kawi will be the permanent camp of the 2nd Battalion Malaysian Rangers.
The specified permanent camp may however change from time to time.

specified location as For operational purposes, units of the Armed Forces may be deployed anywhere in Malaysia.

Malaysian Armed Forces—Officers bertanya 14.

Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji kapada Menteri Pertahanan berapa bilangan pegawai2, mengikut kaum, yang di- terima berkhidmat dalam angkatan udara, angkatan laut dan angkatan darat Tentera Bersenjata Malaysia bagi tahun 1964, 1965 dan 1966 masing2- nya.
Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Bilangan pegawai2 bertauliah yang di-terima berkhidmat dalam tentera darat, tentera laut dan tentera udara Malaysia bagi tahun 1964, 1965 dan 1966 ada-lah saperti berikut: Saperti Bahagian Tahun Tahun pada 30hb 1965 Sept., 1966 1964 152 Tentera Darat 147 20 12 Tentera Laut... 63 24 Tentera Udara Ada-lah berlawanan dengan polisi bilangan2 125 18 18 Kerajaan membahagikan perkara mengikut kaum.

MINISTRY OF EDUCATION Malaysian Students Department in Australia Welfare Officer 15.
Tuan Mohamed Idris bin Matsil bertanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran sebutkan: (a) siapa-kah Pegawai Kebajikan, Jabatan Penuntut2 Malaysia di- Australia sekarang; (b) ada-kah benar bahawa perun- tokan wang bagi jawatan itu telah di-sediakan dan bahawa Kemen- 'Am telah mengeshorkan terian sa-orang pegawai yang berkela- yakan untok memegang jawatan itu; dan (c) apa-kah sebab2 jawatan itu maseh belum di-penohi hingga sekarang.

Menteri Pelajaran (Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari): (a) Tiada.
(b) Ada dua jawatan Bahagian I sa- bagai Pegawai Kebajikan di- Jabatan Penuntut2 Malaysia di- Australia.

Kementerian ini telah meminta Kementerian Kebajikan Masharakat untok menamakan sa-orang Pegawai Kebajikan Ba hagian I yang sesuai untok di- pinjamkan ka-salah satu daripada jawatan2 itu, akan tetapi Kemen terian Kebajikan Masharakat ha- nya dapat menamakan sa-orang Pegawai Bahagian II sahaja.
Ini tidak oleh Kementerian Pelajaran yang seka rang telah pun memileh pegawai2- nya untok di-pinjamkan ka-dua di-terima dapat 2295 25 OCTOBER 1966 2296 jawatan itu.

Pegawai2 yang ber kenaan itu ada-lah di-|angka mula bertugas di-Australia sa-belum akhir tahun ini.

(c) Saperti yang di-terangkan di- atas.

Malay Pupils 16.
Malay Pupils 16.

Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Men- teri Pelajaran berapa bilangan murid2 Melayu dalam tiap2 Negeri yang telah tamat Darjah VI di-dalam sekolah2 rendah kebangsaan dalam tahun 1965 dan berapa orang daripada mereka tidak melanjutkan pelajaran mereka ka- sekolah2 menengah rendah dan kenapa.

Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Bukan- lah dasar Kerajaan memberikan ma'alumat2 mengenai keturunan atau perkauman.

Lower Secondary Schools in Kelantan 17.


Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Men- teri Pelajaran berapa bilangan kelas2 sekolah menengah di-Kelantan pada masa ini dan bilangan guru2 yang ber- khidmat di-dalam kelas2 tersebut.

Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Angka2 ada-lah saperti berikut: Kelas Menengah Rendah Guru2 ... 360 384 18.
Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Men- teri Pelajaran apa-kah kelayakan yang di-kehendaki ada pada guru2 sekolah menengah ini, dan ada-kah mereka pada umum-nya mempunyai kelayakan yang di-kehendaki itu.
rendah Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Penun- tut2 yang di-ambil berlateh untok men- jadi guru2 sekolah menengah rendah mesti-lah mempunyai pujian dalam Bahasa Melayu atau Bahasa Inggeris dalam Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia / Sijil sa-kurang2-nya Persekolahan dengan satu lagi pujian dalam mata pelajaran yang berkenaan atau lulus dalam Bahasa Melayu atau Bahasa Inggeris dengan sa-kurang2-nya dua lagi pujian dalam mata pelajaran yang berkenaan.
(Peringatan: Mata Pelajaran yang berkenaan itu ada-lah mengikut kursus latehan yang di-kehendaki dan ada di- nyatakan dengan terang dalam 'Ilan Akhbar).
penuntut2 ka-kursus2 Bagi yang memohon dengan Bahasa masok China sa-bagai satu daripada mata pelajaran utama, mereka pada lazim- nya mesti-lah (a) lulus dalam Bahasa Melayu atau Inggeris dan pujian dalam atau Bahasa Bahasa China Tinggi China Sukatan Pelajaran X dalam Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia/Sijil Perseko lahan atau (b) lulus dalam Sijil Ber- henti Sekolah Menengah China (Gov ernment Senior Middle III yang da- hulu) dengan amat baik dalam Bahasa China dan pujian dalam Bahasa Ing lulus amat baik dalam geris atau Bahasa Inggeris dan pujian dalam Bahasa China.
19.

Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Men- teri Pelajaran jika dia sedar akan kekurangan kelengkapan2 pelajaran di- sekolah2 menengah dalam rendah, khas-nya di-dalam Negeri Kelantan dan, jika sedar, apa-kah tindakan yang telah di-ambil atau akan di-ambil.
rendah, dan Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Saya sedar tentang kekurangan kemuda- han2 pelajaran bagi mengajar mata- peraktik di-sekolah2 me pelajaran terus nengah menurus di-ambil untok memperbaiki kedudokan sa-kadar mana wang boleh di-adakan.

Akan tetapi, keadaan saperti ini berlaku di- seluroh Malaysia dan bukan di-Negeri Kelantan sahaja.

itu mengikut langkah2 20.


Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Men- teri Pelajaran: (a) sama ada penyiasatan telah di- jalankan dengan berkenaan 3,000 orang murid yang telah tidak melanjutkan pelajaran rendah mereka di- menengah dalam Negeri Kelantan; (b) bagaimana chara-nya penyia satan itu di-jalankan; (c) bila laporan akan di-keluarkan; dan 2297 25 OCTOBER 1966 2298 (d) ada-kah Kerajaan berchadang hendak menjalankan penyiasa tan yang sa-umpama itu di- Negeri2 yang lain.
Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: (a) Ya, suatu penyiasatan telah di- jalankain.

(b) Ibu-bapa murid2 sekolah rendah yang tidak meneruskan pela- jaran mereka ka-Sekolah Me- nengah Rendah telah di-temu- duga.

(c) Saya telah pun membuat satu kenyataan kapada orang ramai berkenaan perkara ini.

(d) Hingga sekarang keadaan di- lain2 Negeri itu tidak memerlu- kan penyiasatan seluroh negeri.

Primary School for Kg.

Selayang Bahru the 22.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Education if he is aware that KG.
SELAYANG BAHRU is now a small township of about 600 houses with a population of about 4,000 people and that more new houses are being built almost every day.

Is he aware that there is a need of a primary school for that area.

If so, will he consider building one as soon as possible.

Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: My Ministry is aware of the need to provide primary school facilities in Kampong Selayang Bahru and action is being taken to acquire a site for the purpose.
A school will be built in the area as soon as it is possible to allocate suffi cient funds for it.

Scholarships 21.

Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Men- teri Pelajaran berapa bilangan biasiswa, mengikut Negeri dan kaum, yang di- keluarkan oleh Kementerian kapada mahasiswa2 Universiti Malaya bagi tahun 1963, 1964, 1965 dan 1966 masing2-nya.
Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Bila ngan Dermasiswa Perguruan Perseku- tuan yang di-hadiahkan oleh Kemen terian Pelajaran untok Kursus2 Penga- jian di-Universiti Malaya, ia-lah saperti yang berikut: Kursus2 Pengajian TAHUN 1963 81 3 1 2 1964 86 10 3 4 1965 126 15 5 2 1966 131 42 7 87 103 148 180 Bukan-lah menjadi dasar Kerajaan menyatakan bilangan biasiswa2 yang di-hadiahkan, mengikut kaum.

Biasiswa2 Kerajaan Persekutuan tidak pula di-keluarkan mengikut negeri.
Oleh itu, Kementerian ini tidak ada mem- punyai yang menunjokkan bilangan biasiswa2 yang di-hadiahkan kapada pelajar2 dari tiap2 satu negeri.

rekod Education Administrative Officers the 23.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Education there are anomalies in the working conditions of Education Administrative Officers.

If so, when will the Minister redress the injustices perpetrated on this group of workers.
if Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: There is no such nomenclature as Education Administrative Officers in the service of the Ministry of Education: but I presume that the Hon'ble Member is referring to the cases of those teachers administrative who are performing duties in State Education Offices as Organisers/Assistant Organisers of Schools and are paid their Teachers salaries plus a small non-pensionable allowance.
Under existing circumstances these officers are subject to the same Scheme of Service as Teachers and as such I cannot see where the anomalies and what the injustices are!

from My Ministry, however, mindful of the fact that the nature of duties of these Organisers /Assistant Organisers is essentially different that of Teachers, is now actively working out a separate Scheme of Service for them, commensurate with their duties and responsibilities.
I should like to add that I am told the Union representing this particular group of officers has also the Royal representations made Salaries Commission.

to 2299 25 OCTOBER 1966 2300 Primary School Assessment Examination the 24.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Education if he is aware the omission of Chinese and that Tamil as subjects the proposed in primary school assessment examination has caused alarm, despondency and opposition from teachers' bodies and other organisations concerned.
If so, what steps has he taken to assuage such fears.

Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: The Ministry of Education has made the announcement an Assessment that Examination would be held for primary school children in Standard 5 at the end of 1967 initially for Malay, English, Science and Mathematics.
Plans are also considered to include such subjects as Chinese and Tamil in that examina their organisation tion but proved to be too difficult, it may be necessary to consider the postponement of the whole Assessment Examination to 1968. should Teaching of Tamil in Gurney Schools 1 and 2 25.
Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Education: (a) whether he has investigated complaints that arrangements for the teaching of Tamil in Gurney Schools 1 and 2 are unsatisfac tory, the class being conducted in a tuckshop; and teachers (b) whether it is true that properly not are qualified engaged teaching Tamil contrary to assurances from the highest Government levels that every facility will be provided for the teaching of the language.
for Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: (a) Both schools (Gurney Road 1 and 2) did not conduct Tamil Language classes in the school tuckshop since the beginning of the third term.

Before that one class each of Tamil and Chinese classes was conducted the school tuckshop because of the lack of classrooms, but wherever possible, all Pupil's Own Lan guage classes are held in proper classrooms.

in (b) It true is not that qualified teachers are not engaged in the teaching of Tamil.
Every effort has been made by the Ministry and to the individual schools appoint qualified language tea chers.

It is only when qualified teachers are not available (i.e.

for extra teaching of pupils' own language) that schools have been given approval to employ un trained temporary teachers with appropriate Tamil qualifications to teach the language on a part- time basis.
Among other rea sons, two main reasons for the qualified non-availability Pupils' Own Language teachers are— of (i) Many teachers do not wish to undertake extra teaching of Pupils' Own Language.

(ii) They are not available at the particular time when the subject is taught.

Foreign Degrees 26.
Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Education: (a) why many teachers with degrees from foreign countries are made to do Form Six work and are paid salaries of those who only hold Form Five certificates; (b) why holders of Indian university degrees, who after obtaining the Diploma of Education from the receive University of Malaya, the same salaries as trained School Certificate holders; and (c) whether the Ministry of Educa tion disagrees with the Univer sity of Malaya authorities with to the acceptability of regard the Indian degree holders for Diploma in Education course in the University of Malaya.
Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: (a) Graduates holding foreign deg rees which are recognised are eligible for same treatment in appropriate cases as given to graduates of the University of Malaya.

Foreign degrees, e.g., Indian degrees, which are not 2301 25 OCTOBER 1966 2302 the end of recognised have to be assessed by the Committee on Equivalent Qualifications for purpose of employment in the teaching ser vice.

Indian graduates with B.A.

or B.Sc.
with or without Honours and without professional quali fications at two years of their teaching service are eligible to be emplaced on the Government Normal Trained salary scale in the case of those who joined the teaching service before the promulgation of the Unified Teaching Service and on UTS salary Grade II (a) in the case of those who entered the teaching service after UTS has come into force if they have passed their departmental post graduate examination and the practical examination conducted by the Chief Education Officer and have proved themselves to be satisfactory.
Indian graduates with B.A.

or B.Sc.

with or without Honours and possessing professional qualifications and the end of their two years ser vice are eligible to be emplaced on the Government Normal Trained salary scale or Grade II (a) of the Unified salary scale if they have passed the practical teaching examination conducted by the Chief Education Officer and have proved themselves to be satisfactory.
These Indian gra duate teachers at the end of a further two years service after emplacement on the Government Normal Trained salary scale or UTS Grade II (a) are eligible in suitable cases to be emplaced on the graduate scale after a special report submitted by the Chief Education Officers.
(b) The Indian graduate teachers with Diploma of Education (Malaya) receive the same sala ries as trained school certificate basic holders degree is equated to school certi ficate for the purpose of entering the teaching service.

because their (c) The acceptability graduates for of Indian the Diploma of Education course in the Univer sity of Malaya is the privilege of the University of Malaya to determine.

The Ministry of Edu cation is not concerned in the matter.
Federal Higher Education Planning Committee 27.

Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the the Minister of Education whether Federal Higher Education Planning Committee has completed and sub mitted its report to the Government, and as to when the Committee's report would be made public.

Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: The Higher Education Planning Committee is now in the final stage of completing the report.

On completion the report will be submitted to the Government for consideration and later on released to the public.
MINISTRY OF HEALTH Superscale Posts the 28.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the number of Minister of Health Superscale posts available and their grades in the medical and health ser vices as at 1-1-1966 e.g.

(a) Administrative (b) Medicine (c) Surgery (d) Obstetrics and gynaecology (e) Ear, Nose and Throat (f) Ophthalmology (g) Paediatrics (h) Radiology and Radiotherapy (i) Orthopaedic (j) Tuberculosis (k) I.M.R.

(0 Anaesthetics (m) Skin (n) other specialities if any.
What are the projected numbers of these officers by 1971.

2303 25 OCTOBER 1966 2304 The Minister of Health (Tuan Baha man bin Samsudin): Superscale posts and gradings available on 1-1-66. possible to state categorically how many medical officers with higher qualifica tions are now eligible for promotion.
Administrative Medi cal Officers .. .. 1 — — A B C D F G H : Total 2 1 6 3 27 39 — 1 7 9 .. — — — .. .. Institute for Medical Officers Specialist Medical Officers: Surgery E.N.T Paediatrics Orthopaedics ..

Skin Medicine .. Obstetric and .. — — — — — — — — .. — — — — .. — — — — .

.

_ _ __ .. — — — — Ophthalmology Radiology and Radiotherapy Tuberculosis Anaesthetics Dental Administra tive Officer..
Dental Specialist .. — — — — .. — — — — .. — — — — .. — — — — 1 .. — — — .. — — — — 2 — 1 3 1 1 1 — — — — — — — 4 16 The Ministry of Health is not in a position to project its superscale post requirement by 1971 because the crea tion of such posts are determined, among other things, by the availability of funds, the rate of expansion of the service and the availability of adequate number of personnel.

29.
29.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Health number of superscale posts and grading that he proposes to create.

the additional the the Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin: The Ministry of Health does not create posts.

The number of superscale posts and grading the Government.

is determined by the 30.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Health the number of medical officers with higher qualifica tions who are now eligible for promo tion to these superscale posts in each of the specialities.
bin Tuan Bahaman Samsudin: Besides the availability of vacant super- scale posts, promotion to superscale posts is dependent upon the suitability qualification, of officers based on experience and merit.

It is therefore not the 31.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Health the number of medical administrative officers who are now eligible for promotion to superscale posts.
of medical Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin: It is not possible to state categorically the number administrative officers eligible for promotion to super- scale posts as promotion is dependent upon vacancy of such posts and suit ability of such officers based on qualifi cation, experience and merit.

Small-pox 32.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health how serious is the outbreak of small-pox in Kuching and what steps has his Ministry taken to stamp out this outbreak of small-pox.
Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin: The outbreak of small-pox in Kuching, Sarawak, is not considered serious, as there are only 4 confirmed cases with one death and since the 8th October, further cases have been 1966, no reported.

There is ample vaccine for use.

80% of the population of Kuching District has now been vaccinated.

A State-wide vaccination has been started, about 90% of the total population is expected to be covered by 20-10-66.
Vaccination is also done on all travellers, in and out of Kuching, by road, river, sea and air and on all workers in the airport, sea and river ports.

Passengers from Sarawak to other territories are required to possess valid international certificate of vaccination.

Likewise, passengers to Sarawak must also possess such certificates.

Radiographers 33.
Radiographers 33.

Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Health to give the total establishment provision for radiogra phers, and how many posts were vacant as on 1st September, 1966.

2305 25 OCTOBER 1966 2306 Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin: The total establishment provision for radio graphers is 104 of which 37 are vacant as on 1st September, 1966.

Malaysian Government Medical Officers 34.


Dr Tail Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health the reasons why no Malaysian Government Medical Officer was sent to attend the course conducted at the University of Singapore leading to the M.R.A.C.P.

Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin: No fund was available in 1966 for sending a candidate to attend the course in Singapore leading to the M.R.A.C.P.

Moreover too short a notice was given for this Singapore Course.

to leading 35.
to leading 35.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health if he is aware that a course the Primary F.R.A.C.S.

will be conducted at the University of Singapore in 1967.

If so, will he assure the House that every effort will be made to send Malaysian Government Medical Officers to attend this course.

Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin: Yes, I am aware that the course leading to the Primary F.R.A.C.S.
will be held from June 1967 for 10 weeks Subject to availability of funds, some Malaysian Government Medical Officers will be sent to this course.

A Midwife Clinic for KG.

SELAYANG BARU the 36.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Health if he is aware that KG.

SELAYANG BARU is now a small township of about 600 houses with a population of about 4,000 people that more new houses are being built almost every day.

Is he also aware that there is a need for a midwife clinic.
If so, will he build one there as soon as possible.

Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin: I am aware that Kampong Selayang Baru, like many other kampongs, are rapidly growing.

away from Kampong Selayang Baru.

Kampong Selayang Baru is also being served by a team of health workers who hold maternal and child health clinic in this area once a week.

Consi deration will be given to improve the that medical and health services in area.

Kunheedu Maricar 37.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health if he is aware that a shop-keeper Kunheedu Maricar has been convicted in the High Court in Johore Baharu of raping an inmate of the Tampoi Mental Hospital.

If so, what steps have been taken to prevent recurrence of such cases.
Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin: I am aware of the unfortunate incident where a female mental patient was raped by an employee of the Tampoi Mental Hospital 9th January, 1966, and that he was con victed on 8th September, 1966 for the offence.

canteen on a rule, Under female standing patients are escorted by ward staff when they visit the canteen.

Mental patients in open wards are encouraged to move around freely, and in this instance the patient left for the canteen on her own.
The modern concept of the treatment of mental patients encourages the free movement of the patients when they have reached a certain phase of their treatment.

Every possible precaution has been taken to prevent such inci dents but offences of this nature are unpredictable.

Nurses-in-training Abroad 38.


Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Men- teri Kesihatan (a) berapa bilangan juru- rawat, mengikut kaum, yang sedang menerima negeri, (b) dan sebutkan berasing2 berapa bi langan jururawat yang di-lateh atas tanggongan Kerajaan dan atas perbe- lanjaan sendiri.
latehan di-luar A resident midwife is available at Kampong Selayang which is 1 1/4 miles Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin: Bila ngan jururawat yang sekarang dalam 2307 25 OCTOBER 1966 2308 latehan di-seberang laut di-atas perbe- saperti lanjaan Kerajaan berikut: ada-lah Di-United Kingdom Di-Australia ... 79 25 Jumlah ... 104 Bukan menjadi dasar Kerajaan memberi angka2 mengikut bangsa.

Kementerian saya tidak menyimpan rekod bilangan jururawat2 yang mengi- kuti latehan di-seberang laut dengan perbelanjaan sendiri.
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS Visas the 39.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Home Affairs about the regulations that he has issued govern ing to aliens issuance of visas working in Malaysia with reference to the the length of continuous stay, maximum period of stay in relation ship to the different major professional groups (for instance, doctors, lawyers, business executives, teachers, religious workers or missionaries, bankers, etc.).
The Minister of Home Affairs (Tun Dr Ismail): Aliens wishing to work in Malaysia as doctors, lawyers, business executives, teachers, religious workers and missionaries, bankers, etc., are required to apply for Employment or Professional Passes before they can undertake employment.
The issue of these Passes are governed by regula Immigration in tions contained Regulations, 1963. the DOCTORS reference Passes for doctors are issued only the Ministry of to after Health and for periods recommended by the Ministry of Health.

Such Passes are confined to employment with Government, or Mission hospitals, or Estates, or Charitable institutions.
It is no longer the policy to issue Passes for foreign doctors to come and do private practice, are already here would be allowed to conti the nue in the practice in view of shortage of doctors in the country.

those who although LAWYERS As far as I am aware there is only one expatriate lawyer working in this country on a Pass.

Unless there are very special reasons, Passes are not issued to foreign lawyers to come and practice in Malaysia in view of the adequate number of Malaysian law yers in the country.
BUSINESS EXECUTIVES Government has decided that all professional and technical firms in West Malaysia should achieve 60% Malaya- nisation of executive posts by 1970, 85% by 1975 and 100% by 1980 except for a few Key Posts which will be allowed invest to represent foreign ment, ownership and capital.

In the case of non-professional and non-technical firms, they are required to achieve 75% Malayanisation by 1970 and 100% by 1975 except for Key Posts.
A Standing Committee of Officials on Malayanisation in Commerce and Industry is now carrying out an exercise under which all commercial firms are required to submit written proposals for achieving the required percentage of Malayanisation by 1970.

A further exercise will be conducted in 1971 to cover the period 1971-1975.

It is therefore entirely up to each Company to decide which expatriate they would retain and for what period so long as they keep within the quota allowed.
TEACHERS Passes to foreign teachers are issued only after reference to the Ministry of Education and for periods recom mended by that Ministry.

RELIGIOUS WORKERS to work There is no restriction on the number of priests, missionaries and other reli gious workers coming in Malaysia.

However, they are granted Passes for only a stay of 10 years made up of 3 tours of 4 years, 4 years, and 2 years.
They are required to re establish residence in their country of tour and are origin, between each required to leave the country at the 2309 25 OCTOBER 1966 2310 end of the third tour.

In some cases, a single continuous tour of 8 years is allowed after which they must leave Malaysia.

This policy is being enforced to dis courage persons in this category from getting rooted in this country and to enable them to keep open their return- to the respective country of ability origin.
BANKERS What I have said under the subject to of "Business Executives" applies commercial banks as well.

Veeriah s/o Pitchay if he the 40.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Home Affairs is aware that one Veeriah s/o Pitchay has made a report at the Balai Polis Pangkor Island on 3-11-1965 (Report No.

174/65) regarding alleged mal practices at the Sri Pathira Kalimman Temple in Pangkor Island.

If so, what action has the police taken.


Tun Dr Ismail: The report refers to transactions which took place in 1958.

It is difficult to locate witnesses and the evidence that is available at this stage is insufficient to definitely state if a criminal offence has been com mitted.

The Police are nevertheless following up the investigation.
When the investi gations are completed, the paper there on will be submitted to the Deputy Public Prosecutor, Perak, for his directions on the question of prosecu tion, if any, that should be taken.

Expatriates 41.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Home Affairs the number of expatriates who have been Malaya- nized and who are now working: (a) in quasi-government bodies; (b) in the the private sector.
Is Minister aware that their con tinued employment makes a hollow mockery of Malayaniza- as they deprive Malaysians of a living.

Tun Dr Ismail: (a) No expatriate officer who has been compensated under the Malayanisation Scheme is being employed in any quasi-govern ment body; (b) 34 expatriate officers who have retired under the Malayanisa tion Scheme are now in gainful employment private in sector.
the Expatriate officers who have been granted Passes under the Immigration employment with Regulations for Government, are leave required they cease to be so Malaysia after employed.

Any applications for their return to this country for employment in the private sector is considered on their merits and may be allowed if they come within the expatriate quota allowed to each commercial firm.
to in 1952, In the case of expatriates who had established residence in this country prior to the enactment of the Immigra tion Ordinance they are permanent residents and therefore do not require permission from the Immi gration Department for employment in the private sector.

However, expatriates, who had been compensated for loss of career as a result of Malayanisation, are required to apply for permission from the Government before they can undertake other gainful occupation in this country.
In any case, both quasi-government bodies and the private sector are being required the rate to Malayanise at decided by Government and this rate is satisfactory as it would ensure 100% Malayanisation non-professional and non-technical firms by 1975 and 100% Malayanisation and technical firms by 1980. in professional Enche' S. A. Anthony 42.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Home Affairs if he is aware that a the letter has been sent Commissioner of Police by one Enche' S. A. Anthony dated 13th August, 1966.

If so, has the allegation of rowdyism the Federal of certain members of to 2311 25 OCTOBER 1966 2312 Reserve Unit been investigated and what is the result of this investigation.
Ton Dr Ismail: I have seen the letter dated 13th August, 1966, addressed by Enche' S. A. Anthony to the Commis sioner of Police with copies to me and to the Honourable Dr Tan Chee Khoon.

The complaints in the letter have been investigated.

In the letter Enche' Anthony alleged that members of the threatened him with assault F.R.U.

and insinuated that he was a thug.


In his subsequent statement to the Police, however, Enche' Anthony said that no threat of assault was made to him; in fact Enche' Anthony said that the letter of complaint was written by a medical student who, according to him, has since left the country.

There is no evidence that members of the F.R.U.


have exceeded their duty in the manner mentioned in Enche' Anthony's letter of complaint and he himself says that he would be unable to identify the persons against whom he complained.

Further Detention of Detainees the 43.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks that Minister of Home Affairs now Indonesian prisoners have been repatri ated, what justification is there for the further detention of those who have been detained for alleged activities against the Government while confron tation was on.
Tun Dr Ismail: The continued deten tion of these detainees even though Indonesian confrontation is now over, is considered justifiable because these detainees had themselves indulged in subversive activities aimed at under mining the security of our country.

The cases of all detainees are being constantly reviewed and release either on conditions or unconditionally is considered in relation to the prevailing security of the country.
to reassure However, I wish the Honourable Member that this Govern ment will release all detainees if and when the Government is satisfied that their release will not be detrimental to national security.

Indonesian Detainees investigation the 44.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks if he has Minister of Home Affairs completed the the death of Alimas B.
Lady and of Daffit alias David B. Arakian, two Indone sian detainees who died at the Central Prison in Jesselton recently, and if so, what are the results of the investiga tion.

into Tun Dr Ismail: The investigation team had gone to Jesselton to begin its work.

It has not yet submitted its report to me as I understand some other witnesses whom the investigation the team felt could be of help investigation were not in the country when the team was in Jesselton.
These witnesses are expected to be back soon and when the team is able to interview them the investigation is expected to be completed and a report will be submitted to me.

in Enche' Yuen Foo Thong if he the 45.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Home Affairs is aware that Enche' Yuen Foo Thong, an ex-detainee, has written a letter to the Deputy Prime Minister protesting against the restriction on his movements outside Ipoh Police District.
Is the Minister also aware that Enche' Yuen Foo Thong is now employed by a plywood factory in Menglembu, a job Ipoh that entails Police District, and if so, will he con sider removing this restriction on the movements of Enche' Yuen Foo Thong to enable him to earn an honest living.

travelling outside to Tun Dr Ismail: The Ministry has received the letter written by Enche' Yuen Foo Thong addressed the Honourable the Deputy Prime Minister protesting against his restrictive condi tions.
Enche' Yuen Foo Thong is presently employed as a Clerk in a plywood factory in Menglembu, a job which does not entail travelling outside Ipoh Police District.

However, in a recent interview, the manager of the firm indicated that he wished to offer subject an appointment as a salesman, a job that would require travelling out side Ipoh District.
The Ministry has 2313 25 OCTOBER 1966 2314 considered this case carefully and feels that subject's past record and experience and his present attitude does not justify any further relaxation of his restrictive conditions.

Royal Malaysia Police—Officers 46.

Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri berapa bilangan pegawai2, mengikut kaum, yang di- terima berkhidmat dalam Pasokan Polis Di-Raja Malaysia bagi tahun 1963, 1964, 1965 dan 1966 masing2- nya.
Tun Dr Ismail: Di-bawah ini di- tunjokkan bilangan pegawai2 yang di- terima berkhidmat dalam Pasokan Polis Di-Raja Malaysia bagi tahun 1963, 1964, 1965 dan bagi tahun ini, hingga tarikh lOhb Oktober, 1966: 1963 Pegawai Mata2 Biasa Jumlah (a) Negeri2 Tanah Melayu — (b) Sabah (c) Sarawak .. .. 40 17 150 589 833 150 629 850 JUMLAH BESAR BAGI SALUROH MALAYSIA.. 57 1,572 1,629 Jumlah Besar bagi tahun 1963, 1964, 1965 dan 1966 Pegawai M a t a2 Biasa J u m l ah (a) Negeri2 T a n ah Melayu 146 1,589 1,735 (b) Sabah (c) Sarawak 117 1,456 1,573 122 2,183 2,305 J U M L AH BESAR BAGI S A L U R OH MALAYSIA .. 385 5,228 5,613 CHATETAN: Bagi terhuai perangkan di-atas yang "Pegawai2" termasok-lah mereka2 yang ber- pangkat inspektor2 dalam perchubaan ka- atas; "Mata2 Biasa" termasok-lah mata2 biasa, kopral, sarjen, sarjen-major dan Sab- Inspektor.
Immigrants in Malaya 47.

Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Men teri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri berapa bilangan orang asing yang masok ber- mastautin ka-Tanah Melayu dalam tahun 1963, 1964, 1965 dan 1966, masing2-nya, dengan menyatakan negeri asal mereka.
Tun Dr Ismail: Bilangan orang2 asing yang telah masok bermastautin di-Negeri2 Tanah Melayu dalam tahun2 1963, 1964, 1965 dan Januari sa-hingga Ogos, 1966, ia-lah saperti berikut: 1964 Pegawai Mata2 Biasa Jumlah 1963 3,418 orang atas 2,152 Surat Kebenaran Masok untok bermastautin (a) Negeri2 Tanah Melayu (b) Sabah (c) Sarawak .. .. 62 33 71 490 243 878 552 276 949 JUMLAH BESAR BAGI SALUROH MALAYSIA .. 166 1,611 1,777 1965 Pegawai Mata2 Biasa Jumlah (a) Negeri2 Tanah Melayu (b) Sabah (c) Sarawak .. .. 83 17 26 949 303 273 JUMLAH BESAR BAGI SALUROH MALAYSIA .. 126 (a) Negeri2 T a n ah Melayu (b) S a b ah (c) Sarawak Pegawai 1 27 8 1,525 1966 M a t a2 Biasa — 321 199 1,032 320 299 1,651 J u m l ah 1 348 207 J U M L AH BESAR BAGI S A L U R OH MALAYSIA .. 36 520 556 1964 2,914 orang atas 1,723 Surat Kebenaran Masok untok bermastautin 1965 2,518 orang atas 1,595 Surat Kebenaran Masok untok bermastautin 1966 (sa-hingga 31-8-66) 1,307 orang atas 1,166 Surat Kebenaran Masok untok bermastautin asal mereka Oleh kerana perangkaan Jabatan tidak berkehendakkan orang2 yang di-keluar- kan Surat2 Kebenaran Masok untok bermastautin itu di-pechahkan mengikut negeri2 di-sebabkan kemasokan ka-Malaysia tidak di-kawal- kan atas asas bahagian rata (quota) rupa bangsa, maka tidak-lah dapat di- berikan pechahan2 ini mengikut negeri2 asal-nya dengan tidak menjalankan penyelidekan yang mengambil masa yang panjang.
Walau bagaimana pun mengikut bilangan peratus berasaskan kapada keluaran Surat2 Kebenaran Masok 2315 25 OCTOBER 1966 2316 untok bermastautin untok kemasokan daripada: (a) Negeri2 China /Hongkong; (b) Negeri2 dan India / Pakistan / Ceylon; (c) Lain2 Negeri, (sa-hingga 31-8-66).
boleh-lah di-ketahui bilangan peratus itu untok tahun 1963, 1964, 1965 dan 1966 Ini akan menunjokkan bilangan peratus yang betul juga atas orang2 asing yang masok bermastautin daripada tiga kumpulan2 yang besar bagi negeri2 tersebut ini.

Dalam tahun 1963, 2,152 Surat2 Kebenaran Masok untok bermastautin telah di-keluarkan kapada sa-jumlah laki2, perempuan dan kanak2.
3,418 Pechahan Surat2 Kebenaran Masok untok bermastautin yang di-keluarkan bagi tiga kumpulan2 yang besar bagi negeri2 yang tersebut itu, ia-lah saperti berikut: % (a) Daripada Negeri2 333 Surat Kebenaran Masok 15.5 China/Hongkong untok bermastautin atau (b) Daripada Negeri2 1,527 Surat Kebenaran Masok 70.9 untok bermastautin atau India/Pakistan/ Ceylon (c) Daripada Lain8 Negeri 292 Surat Kebenaran Masok 13.6 untok bermastautin atau 2,152 100 Dalam tahun 1964, jumlah sa-banyak 1,723 Surat2 Kebenaran Masok untok bermastautin telah di-keluarkan bagi kemasokan 2,914 orang.
Bagi 1,723 Surat2 Kebenaran Masok untok ber mastautin yang di-keluarkan pechahan- nya ada-lah saperti berikut: (a) Daripada Negeri2 China/Hongkong 126 Surat Kebenaran Masok untok bermastautin atau 7.3 (6) Daripada Negeri2 1,387 Surat Kebenaran Masok 80.5 untok bermastautin atau India/Pakistan/ Ceylon (c) Daripada Lain2 Negeri 210 Surat Kebenaran Masok 12.2 untok bermastautin atau 1,723 100 Dalam tahun 1965, jumlah sa-banyak 1,595 Surat2 Kebenaran Masok untok bermastautin telah di-keluarkan untok 2,518 orang.
Pechahan-nya ia-lah saperti berikut: % (a) Daripada Negeri2 6 China /Hongkong (b) Daripada Negeri2 1,232 Surat Kebenaran Masok 77.3 96 Surat Kebenaran Masok untok bermastautin atau untok bermastautin atau India/Pakistan/ Ceylon (c) Daripada Lain2 Negeri Dalam tahun 1966—sa-hingga 31-8-66 jumlah sa-banyak 1,166 Surat2 Ke benaran Masok untok bermastautin telah di-keluarkan untok 1,307 orang dengan pechahan-nya saperti berikut: (a) Daripada Negeri2 China /Hongkong (b) Daripada Negeri2 India/Pakistan/ Ceyion (c) Daripada Lain2 Negeri 65 Surat Kebenaran Masok untok bermastautin atau % 5.6 943 Surat Kebenaran Masok 80.9 untok bermastautin atau 158 Surat Kebenaran Masok 13.5 untok bermastautin atau 1,166 100 Citizenship Certificates 48.
Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Men teri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri berapa bilangan sijil kera'ayatan yang telah di- keluarkan semenjak terchapai kemer- dekaan.

Tun Dr Ismail: Semenjak Hari Mer- deka (31hb Ogos, 1957) hingga 30hb September, 1966, sa-banyak 1,820,319 sijil kera'ayatan telah di-keluarkan.

Demonstration and Mass Rally by University Students 49.
Tuan Mohamed Idris bin Matsil bertanya kapada Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri: (a) ada-kah dia memandang berat tunjok perasaan terhadap satu dan raksaksa yang di- rapat anjorkan oleh 2,000 orang penun- tut Universiti Malaya dalam bulan September tahun ini menan- dan dakan mengecham Kerajaan kerana mengadakan "Sijil Kelayakan" dan pindaan kapada Undang2 Keselamatan Dalam Negeri yang memerlukan Sijil itu, dan "Hari Otonomi" (b) sama ada tindakan akan di-ambil untok menghindarkan peristiwa sa-umpama itu daripada berulang dan merebak badan2 pelajaran tinggi lain yang akan mengancham keselamatan dan ketenteraman negara Malaysia.
267 Surat Kebenaran Masok 16.7 untok bermastautin atau 1,595 100 Tun Dr Ismail: Sa-bagai Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri saya senantiasa 2317 25 OCTOBER 1966 2318 ini, sunggoh pun mengambil perhatian yang berat di-atas perkara2 yang bersangkut-paut dengan keselamatan negeri.

Dalam kes yang berkenaan tunjok- perasaan itu di-ator dan di-kelolakan oleh satu persatuan pelajar2, ia-nya ada-lah di-adakan di-dalam Kampus Universiti dan pada keselurohan-nya, ada-lah terator.
Para pelajar itu hanya menunjokkan perasaan jiwa dan ke- inginan mereka, dan ini saya berpen- dapat, ada-lah termasok dalam prinsip2 demokrasi.

sedar ada-lah Kerajaan anchaman terhadap kemungkinan akibat2 yang akan timbul dan kita mempunyai alat dan kuasa yang untok mengawasi datang sa-bagai akibat-nya.

Sa-bagai- mana Ahli Yang Berhormat itu sendiri faham, demokrasi tidak berma'ana dan memberi kebebasan untok mengancham keselamatan negara.
Sa-bagai Menteri yang bertanggong-jawab terhadap kese lamatan negara, saya akan mengambil tindakan2 yang sesuai dan saperlu-nya apabila di-kehendakki oleh keadaan.

MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING Controller of Radio Malaysia, Sabah 50.

Tuan C. John Ondu Majakil asks the Minister of Information and Broad casting the Controller of Radio Malaysia, Sabah, is a Malaysian citizen and, if so, when was he given a Malay sian Citizenship.
if The Minister of Information and Broadcasting (Tuan Senu bin Abdul Rahman): The Controller of Radio Malaysia, Sabah, is a Malaysian.

He went over to Sabah (then British North Borneo) on 28th May, 1957, to work in the Department of Radio.

In January 1960, long before Malaysia was formed, he was placed on the permanent and pensionable establishment by the State authorities.

His present appointment as Controller of Radio has been made by the Public Services Commission.
I have been informed that he has applied the Citizenship papers which in his case is a matter of forma lity.

for "BERNAMA" 51.
for "BERNAMA" 51.

Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Information and Broad casting to state: (a) whether report of the UNESCO expert on BERNAMA, the proposed News Agency, had been completed and submitted to the Government; the (b) if so, whether the report could be made available to Members of Parliament; and (c) what is the Government's policy with regard to the language to be used by BERNAMA.
Tuan Senu bin Abdul Rahman: (a) The report by Mr D. J. Dallas, UNESCO expert, on the pro posed News Agency, BER NAMA is now completed.

It is being submitted for Govern ment's consideration.

(b) The report could be made avail able to Members of Parliament once Government has given its approval.

(c) Bahasa Kebangsaan and English will be the working languages of BERNAMA.

MINISTRY OF LABOUR Living Conditions of Estates Workers 52.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour if he is aware that the health sanitary, housing and other living conditions of the workers residing at the following estates are poor and deplorable, e.g., lack of proper bath rooms, latrines, etc., (a) Labuan Padang Estate (b) Damansara Estate (c) Elor Estate (d) Pilmoor Estate (e) Bukit Jelutong Estate (f) Bukit Rajah Estate.
(Tuan The Minister of Labour V. Manickavasagam): The estates referred to in the question have been 2319 25 OCTOBER 1966 2320 regularly inspected by Officers of my Ministry and appropriate action has always been taken to ensure that living conditions on these estates are satis factory and the provisions of the Labour Laws.

Where defects have been found the manage ments have been instructed to make the necessary improvements.

in accordance with Wages Regulation Order the provisions of the 53.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Labour if he is aware that certain employers to flout the Wages Regulation Order.

If so, what steps has he taken to strengthen the inspec torate so as to bring to book such employers.

still continue Tuan V. Manickavasagam: Officers of my Ministry have been and are still inspecting shops affected by the Wages Regulation (Shop Assistants) Order, 1963, to ensure the observance of its provisions by employers.
Where brea ches of this Order have been found, appropriate action, including prosecu tion, has been taken.

If the Hon'ble Member will provide specific informa tion concerning employers who commit this a breach of Order, my Ministry will certainly look into' these cases and take appropriate action.

the provisions of Port Swettenham Authority/R.U.M.

Dispute 54.
Dispute 54.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour what steps has his Ministry taken to settle the dispute between the Port Swettenham Autho rity and the port branch of R.U.M.

Tuan V. Manickavasagam: Nume rous meetings have been held separa tely as well as jointly with the parties concerned.

The Hon'ble the Minister of Transport has appointed a Com mittee consisting of representatives of the parties and the various Government Departments concerned into this matter.
to look Federation of Transport Workers Union Federation of Transport Workers Union.

If so, what has his Ministry done to lend a helping hand towards such a merger which will get rid of peanut unions.

Tuan V. Manickavasagam: I am aware that there has been a move to form a Federation of Transport Union but, as yet, the Registrar of Trade Unions has received no statutory notice of this.
The formation of federations will, however, in no way reduce the number of small unions, as such unions will retain the their federal structure.

identity within Perlis Transport Company the 56.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour if he is aware that the Perlis Transport Co. has refused to implement the award by the Presi dent of Industrial Court, Mr Justice Ali Hassan made in October 1965 and that company have gone on strike over this issue.
What efforts has the Ministry taken to get the Perlis Transport Co. to implement the award.

the workers of that Tuan V. Manickavasagam: There has been a dispute over the interpreta tion and implementation of the provi sions of the Industrial Court Award No.

13 of 15th November, 1965 in the Perlis Transport Company.

There has, this however, been no strike over issue.

The dispute has been set down for hearing by the Standing Industrial Court on 1st November, 1966.

Port Workers in Penang 57.


Dr Lint Chong Eu asks the Minis ter of Labour to state: (i) the total number of persons engaged in work as port labourers in the Port of Penang prior to the introduction of the Port Labour Board Scheme; (ii) the number of labourers now listed for employment under the Port Labour Board Scheme; 55.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour if he is aware of large the proposed formation of a (iii) the number of workers who have now been put out of work by the introduction of this scheme; and 2321 25 OCTOBER 1966 2322 (iv) of those workers who have now been put out of employment how many have been found alternative employment the Labour by Exchange, or by any other institu tion under his Ministry.
of the 2,000 full-time paid workers with the Penang Port Labour Board only 1,300 have been registered under the new scheme.

What will happen to the 700 workers who will now be made redundant.

Tuan V. Manickavasagam: (i) I am not able to provide this figure.

How ever, when the Registration Scheme for stevedores was introduced by the Port Labour Board, a total of 2,300 applica tions were received for registration as the Port, stevedores.
Employers however, their in permanent and casual stevedores, gave a figure of only 1,200.

It must be figures given remembered include full-time stevedores as well as persons who have been employed very casually as stevedores.

in returns of that the the (ii) The Board has registered 1,326 stevedores.

This figure is being kept under review by the Board.

(iii) It is not possible to provide this figure.


In any case, the persons who are likely to have been displaced would have only been very casually employed in stevedoring operations in the Port.

(iv) So far, only 13 persons, claiming to have been unemployed as a result of the Registration Scheme in respect of stevedores in the Port of Penang, have registered with Employment Exchange in Penang.

Attempts are being made to place them in suitable employment.

the 58.
the 58.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour if he has received a copy of the petition sent to the Prime Minister by a group of 18 Malay Port Workers in Penang asking for Government intervention to get them re-instated.

If so, what has his Ministry done regarding this petition.

Tuan V. Manickavasagam: I have received a copy of this petition and have interviewed the workers concerned and advised their names with the Port Labour Board, that most of Penang.
I understand these workers have now been offered employment in the Port.

to register them 59.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour if he is aware that Tuan V. Manickavasagam: It is not possible to ascertain the number of full-time workers in the Port of Penang, but under the Registration Scheme of the Port Labour Board in respect of stevedores, a total of 1,326 stevedores have been registered.
From information available to the Board, the number of full-time stevedores, if any, outside this 1,326, would be very small.

However, this figure of 1,326 registrants is itself being kept under review.

Journalists 60.
Journalists 60.

Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Labour to state : (a) as from which date his Ministry became aware of the fact that journalists could be exploited with impunity as they are not covered by the Employment Ordinance; (b) when the Government began the possibility of the Employment journalists within the considering including ambit Ordinance; and of (c) what is the cause for the delay in realising this possibility.
Tuan V. Manickavasagam: The Employment Ordinance is applicable to those employed on manual labour, artisans and a few other categories of workers.

Whilst certain categories of non-manual now employment covered by the Ordinance, considera tion is being given to expand its scope to cover other categories of non-manual employment, including journalists.

The National Joint Labour Advisory Council is now examining the proposed amendments.

are Port Workers in Malacca 61.
Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Labour whether: (a) he is aware of the dissatisfaction among lightermen in the Port of Malacca and what action he has 2323 25 OCTOBER 1966 2324 taken or contemplates taking to improve their employment condi tions and living standards; (b) he would consider favourably applying the statutory minimum remuneration and other condi tions of employment prescribed under the Wages Regulation (Penang Stevedores, Cargo Hand lers and Lightermen) Order, 1966 to lightermen in Malacca; and (c) he would consider favourably setting up a commission of inquiry under the Wages Councils Ordi nance, 1947, to inquire into wages and conditions of employment of in Malacca and port workers make recommendations for their improvement.
Tuan V. Manickavasagam: I am not aware that conditions of employment and living standards of workers in the Port of Malacca are unsatisfactory or that among there lightermen that Port concerning these.

Enquiries are being made into this situation and appropriate action will be taken if the situation warrants it.

is dissatisfaction in South Indian Labourers 62.


Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Labour to give particulars of South Indian labourers repatriated from the funds of the South Indian Labour Fund during the whole of 1965 and from 1st January to 30th Septem ber, 1966, separately for males, females and minors, together with costs.

Tuan V. Manickavasagam: Adults Minors Infants Total M. F. M. F. M. F. Number repatriated during 1965 Number repatriated to from .. 51 45 30-9-66 1-1-66 .. .

.
.

62 64 6 Amount spent during 1965 .. .. $15,112.83* Amount spent 1-1-66 to 30-9-66 .. $12,762.85* 19 18 9 148 11 19 2 — 158 to pay maternity allowance at $3.00 per day to female workers and what action he has taken or contemplates taking to curb this malpractice.

Tuan V. Manickavasagam: Appro priate action has been taken by my Ministry against employers who com mit a breach of the Employment Ordinance concerning the payment of maternity allowances, wherever these have come to the notice of my Minis try.
If the Honourable Member could provide information "on the several employers" who commit this breach, my Ministry will certainly look into the matter and the necessary action will be taken.

Court Cases 64.
Court Cases 64.

Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Labour to give details of cases heard by (a) the Labour Court; and (b) the Commissioner for Work men's Compensation throughout the States of Malaya and the number of occasions on which trade union officials represented workers at the hearings from 1st January to 30th September, 1966.

Tuan V. Manickavasagam: No.

of Labour Cases heard from 1st January to 30th September, 1966 No.
of Workmen's Compen sation Cases completed from 1st January to 30th September, 1966 1,040 11,247 I am not able at this stage to provide the information on instances in which trade union officials represented wor kers at these hearings.

This informa tion is now being collected and would be conveyed to the Honourable Mem ber as soon as it is available.

* The Government meets half this cost, the otner half being met by the South Indian Labour Fund Board.

Maternity Allowance 63.


Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Labour if he is aware of evasion on the part of several employers Rubber Plantations 65.

Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Labour to give figures of retrenchment, if any, in the rubber plantations collected by his Ministry separately for the months of April to September, 1966.

2325 25 OCTOBER 1966 2326 Tuan V. Manickavasagam: As far as this Ministry is aware, the following are the figures: No.
of workers retrenched April, 1966 ... ... May, 1966 ... June, 1966 ... July, 1966 August, 1966 Sept., 1966 ... — 242 — — 272 962 No.

of estates on which they were employed — 1 — — 2 9 1,476 12 Trade Unions 66.
Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Labour for details of appli cation for registration of new unions which the Registrar of Trade Unions had rejected on the ground that there were in respect of those trades, occupations and industries under Section 2 of the Trades Unions Act, 1965, giving names, dates of receipt and rejection from 1st January to 30th September, 1966. trade unions in existence Tuan V. Manickavasagam: Only one trade union, the Kesatuan Pekerja Kerajaan Perlis, has been refused regis tration under the provisions of Section 2 of the Trade Unions Act, 1965.
The application for registration was received on 7th September, 1966, and the notice of refusal was given on 22nd September, 1966.

67.
67.

Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Labour to give details of re-organisation of trade unions under taken by the Registrar of Trade Unions under section 3 of the Trade Unions Act, 1965, showing names of unions which have been cancelled, names of representative trade unions which have been authorised to absorb the members of cancelled unions and the dates of cancellation during the period from 1st January to 30th September, 1966.
Tuan V. Manickavasagam: No exist ing trade union has been de-registered under the provisions of section 3 of the Trade Unions Act, 1965.

68.

Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Labour for details of any applications received by the Registrar of Trade Unions seeking approval under section 5 of the Trade Unions Act, 1965, to form joint consultative or other bodies, the dates of receipt of such applications and the manner of their disposal.
Tuan V. Manickavasagam: An appli cation for permission, under section 5 of the Trade Unions Act, 1965, to form a Liaison Committee was received on 9th August, 1966, from the National Union of Commercial Workers and the National Mining Workers Union of Malaya.

The application is under consi deration.

MINISTRY OF LANDS AND MINES Fringe Alienation Scheme—Loans to States 69.
Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Lands and Mines to provide information concerning the following Fringe Alienation Scheme loans to the States, giving separate figures for each year since the inception of the Scheme: Total amount of loans.

Total amount spent.

Number of Schemes started.

Total acreage involved.

Number of Schemes which failed.

Total amount of loans involved.

Total acreage involved.


Johore, Malacca, Negri Sembilan, Pahang, Selangor, Perak, Kedah, Perlis, Penang, Kelantan, Trengganu, Sabah and Sarawak.

The Minister of Lands and Mines (Tuan Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub): Total Amount of Loans (Up to 31-12-66) State 1.

2.

3.

4.

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

11.

12.

13.

Johor Melaka Negeri Sembilan Pahang Selangor Perak Kedah Perlis Penang Kelantan Trengganu Sabah Sarawak .. .

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. '

1,458,928 00 2,731,120 00 5,065,000 00 7,404,424 00 Nil 4,713,044 50 1,484,701 00 822,573 00 Nil Nil Nil Not Applicable Not Applicable TOTAL .

23,679,790 50 2327 25 OCTOBER 1966 State 1.

Johor 2.

Melaka 3.

Negeri Sembilan 4.

Pahang 5.

Selangor 6.

Perak 7.

Kedah 8.

Perlis 9.

Penang 10.

Kelantan 11.

Trengganu 12.

Sabah 13.

Sarawak Total Amount Spent $ C. 1,458,928 00 2,731,120 00 4,975,000 00 7,404,424 00 Nil 4,713,044 50 1,424,701 00 777,573 00 Nil Nil Nil — State 1.

2.

3.

4.

5.

6.
2.

3.

4.

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

11.

12.

13.

Johor Melaka Negeri Sembilan Pahang Selangor Perak Kedah Perlis Penang Kelantan Trengganu Sabah Sarawak .. 2328 No.

of Schemes which failed Nil Nil 2 20 Nil Nil Nil Nil Nil Nil Nil TOTAL 22 TOTAL 23,484,790 50 State 1.

Johor , 2.

Melaka 3.

Negeri Sembilan 4.

Pahang 5.

Selangor 6.

Perak 7.

Kedah 8.

Perlis 9.

Penang 10.

Kelantan 11.

Trengganu 12.

Sabah 13.

Sarawak .. No.

of Schemes Started 9 23 75 139 Nil 80 17 6 Nil Nil Nil State 1.

Johor 2.
Johor 2.

Melaka 3.

Negeri Semb^an 4.

Pahang 5.

Selangor 6.

Perak 7.

Kedah 8.

Perlis 9.

Penang 10.

Kelantan 11.

Trengganu 12.

Sabah 13.

Sarawak .. Total of Loans Involved , C. $ Nil Nil 350,500 00 971,949 00 Nil Nil Nil Nil Nil Nil Nil TOTAL 349 TOTAL 1,322,449 00 State 1.

Johor 2.

Melaka 3.

Negeri Sembilan 4.

Pahang 5.

Selangor 6.

Perak 7.

Kedah 8.

Perlis 9.

Penang 10.

Kelantan 11.

Trengganu 12.

Sabah 13.


Sarawak .. TOTAL Total Acreage Involved 3,677 7,830 3/4 21,804 1/2 46,269 1/2 Nil 27,598 1/2 8,415 2,957 Nil Nil Nil .— — 118,552 1/4 State 1.

2.

3.

4.

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

11 12.

13.

Johor Melaka Negeri Sembilan Pahang Selangor Perak Kedah Perlis Penang Kelantan Trengganu Sabah Sarawak .. > Total Acreage Involved Nil Nil, 2,042 5,922 Nil Nil Nil Nil Nil Nil TOTAL 7,964 2329 25 OCTOBER 1966 2330 Fragmentation of Estates the 70.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Labour if he is aware that fragmentation of estates still rampant and that Enche' P. P. Narayanan, Secretary-General of the N.U.P.W.

and the All Malayan Estate Staff Union have protested against it.

If so, what steps have been taken to prevent such a practice.

Tuan Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: I am aware that a number of estates have been sold, some of which have been sub-divided.

I am also aware of the protest made by the Union mentioned in the question.
The Government is considering the rate and the effect of sub-division of large estates and, as mentioned in Command Paper No.

29 of 1963, appropriate action will be taken if it is found that such sub-division is causing undue hardship to the workers or pro ducing other adverse result.

MINISTRY OF NATIONAL AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT Rural Development Grant to Sabah 71.
Tuan C. John Ondu Majakil asks the Minister of National and Rural Development, whether he can give assurance rural development grant given by the Central Government to Sabah, be properly and to enable proportionately distributed the Local Government to carry out the rural development projects as set out in the Red Book.
the $500,000 that is referring The Minister of National and Rural Development (Tun Haji Abdul Razak bin Dato' Hussain): I assume that the to the Hon'ble Member provision of $500,000 provided for under Head 125/21 in the Malaysia Development Estimates, 1966.

This fund is not allocated to the Local Govern ment but to the District Officers con implementation of cerned with their minor projects District Rural Development Com mittees.
the Hon'ble Member that each district will get its due share of the fund in the context of priorities laid down by the State Rural Development Committee.

I can assure approved by the $650,000 for Religious Institutions 72.

Tuan C. John Ondu Majakil asks the Minister of National and Rural Development the $650,000 for religious institutions from the Central Government is to be dis tributed among the various religious institutions in Sabah.
to explain how religious institutions Tun Haji Abdul Razak: The $650,000 is meant for the construction as of Mosques, Suraus, Churches, Temples, and others.

However, the decision to select which projects are to be carried out from this fund lies with the State Rural Development Committee.

such Rooms for Rent at MARA Building 73.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of National and Rural Deve lopment how many rooms are available for rent at the MARA Building in Jalan Tuanku Abdul Rahman.
What is the rental of each room and how much per square foot does it work out to.

Are these rooms suitable for the ordinary Bumiputra businessmen.

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: MARA is providing 26 lock-up shops for rent on the ground floor of the new MARA Building Jalan Tuanku Abdul Rahman, Kuala Lumpur.
The area for each lock-up shop is approximately 240 sq ft except for one which is about 480 sq ft. in these Rental of is between $220 and $290 per lot of 240 sq ft per month or between 92 cts and $1.20 per square foot.

lock-up shops On each of the first, second and third floor MARA has approximately 6,800 sq ft available for rent as office space for Bumiputra businessmen.
In addi tion to that, MARA has an area of about 2,600 sq ft where special con struction has been made for restaurants complete with kitchen facilities.

Rental for the first floor is 65 cts per sq foot and 60 cts per sq foot for the second and third floors.

These lock-up shops and also the space provided for offices are suitable for the ordinary Bumiputra business.

2331 25 OCTOBER 1966 2332 Acting Auditor-General's 1963 Report the 74.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of National and Rural Deve lopment if he is aware of the Acting Auditor-General's on RIDA in particular: report 1963 (a) tenders were not called number of cases; in a (b) nearly $170,000 was spent in excess of approved expenditure; (c) accounts were kept so unsatis factorily that two firms of accoun tants had to account again.

Will the Minister assure the House these malpractices will not be that repeated by MARA.
Tun Haji Abdul Razak: These observations refer to RIDA's account.

Action has been taken to put these right.

For MARA I wish to assure the House that every effort will be made to see that the accounts are properly kept.

Admissions to MARA College 75.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of National and Rural Deve the policy governing lopment about admissions to MARA college and clarification about his statement that non-Malays who are poor can be admitted next year.
Tun Haji Abdul Razak: In the con text of encouraging greater Bumiputra participation in the field of commerce and industry, the College is primarily meant for the training of more Bumi putra in the various fields of business.

However, poor non-Malays of the same economic conditions as the Bumiputra are also eligible to be admitted into the College.

Chinese Temple for KG.

SELAYANG BAKU is now 76.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of National and Rural Develop ment if he is aware that KG.
SELA small YANG BARU township of about 600 houses with a population of about 4,000 people and that more new houses are being built almost every day.

Is he also aware that there is a need for a Chinese Temple and a community centre for that area.

a If so, will he consider giving assistance to the residents there to build these two projects.

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Kg.


Sela- yang Baru is a resettlement project carried out by the State Government of Selangor for the purpose of resettling squatters who occupied State land.

The Ministry and Rural Development gave $30,000 in 1965 for the provision of piped water supply and for constructing a Surau in the area.

of National As far as I am aware, my Ministry has not received any application either for the construction of a temple or a community centre in the resettlement area.
If there is such a request, it will be considered.

Places of Worship 77.

Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Men- teri Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar berapa bilangan tempat2 ibadat tiap2 Negeri yang di-dirikan dalam tahun 1964, 1965 dan 1966 dalam masing2-nya sa-bagaimana yang di- bawah ini: (a) Masjid; (b) To' Kong China; (c) Kuil Hindu; (d) To' Kong Siam; (e) Gereja dan lain2.
Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Bilangan tempat2 ibadat yang di-dirikan dalam tiap2 Negeri dalam tahun 1964, 1965 dan 1966 ia-lah saperti yang berikut: State .. .

.

Johore Negeri Sembilan Malacca Selangor Perak Penang Kedah Perlis Kelantan .

Trengganu.

Pahang Sarawak Sabah .

Masjid 1965 37 25 12 21 27 16 27 12 3 31 37 3 4 1964 77 72 22 43 90 10 28 10 — 48 90 — — 1966 44 40 9 19 37 19 29 21 14 26* 30 10 19 * 49 Untok di-baiki, memagar dan lain2.
2333 25 OCTOBER 1966 2334 T o ' k o ng C h i na State 1964 1965 1966 .. .. J o h o re Negeri Sembilan Malacca Selangor P e r ak P e n a ng K e d ah Perlis .. K e l a n t an T r e n g g a n u .. P a h a ng S a r a w ak S a b ah .. State .. .. J o h o re Negeri Sembilan M a l a c ca Selangor P e r ak P e n a ng K e d ah Perlis K e l a n t an .. T r e n g g a n u .. P a h a ng Sarawak S a b ah .. 3 10 4 22 6 12 3 1 5 5 6 12 9 4 6 — 41 6 3 9 17 9 7 2 K u il H i n du 1964 2 7 4 6 5 4 1 2 1965 1 1 1 8 4 2 1 4 1966 1 5 6 6 7 2 T o ' k o ng Siam State 1964 1965 1966 .. .. J o h o re Negeri Sembilan M a l a c ca Selangor P e r ak P e n a ng K e d ah Perlis K e l a n t an .. T r e n g g a n u .. P a h a ng Sarawak S a b ah .. Gereja d an lain2 State 1965 1966 .. .. J o h o re Negeri Sembilan M a l a c ca Selangor P e r ak P e n a ng K e d ah Perlis K e l a n t an .. T r e n g g a n u .. P a h a ng S a r a w ak S a b ah .. - 78.
Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Men- teri Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar berapa jumlah wang yang telah di-belanjakan, mengikut ugama, bagi membena tempat2 ibadat ini.

Tim Haji Abdul Razak: Jumlah telah di-belanjakan bagi ia-lah wang yang membena saperti yang di-bawah: tempat2 ibadat itu (i) Masjid (ii) To' Kong China (iii) Kuil Hindu (iv) To' Kong Siam (v) Gereja dan lain2 $16,208,356 2,390,190 898,550 159,000 359,000 Allotment of Land 79.
Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Men- teri Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar berapa ekar tanah, mengikut Negeri, yang sudah di-buka dan di- bahagikan kapada ra'ayat oleh Kera- jaan melalui Lembaga Kemajuan Tanah Persekutuan dan nyatakan pera- tusan tanah yang di-bahagikan kapada tiap2 kaum.
Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Jumlah kawasan tanah yang telah di-buka di- dalam ranchangan2 Lembaga Kemajuan Tanah Persekutuan sa-hingga 30-9-1966 termasok kawasan yang telah di-tebang tetapi belum di-tanam ia-lah 171,354 ekar, ia-itu mengandongi 155,797 ekar bagi sawit, tanaman getah/kelapa 1,335 ekar tanaman dusun/padi dan 14,222 ekar kawasan perumahan.
Pechahan dan peratus-nya mengikut negeri ia-lah: Negeri .. Kedah Perak Selangor Negeri Sembilan Melaka Johore Pahang Trengganu T a n a m an G e t a h / K. Sawit T a n a m an D u s u n / p a di K a w a s an P e r u m a h an 9,555 14,553 12,130 19,909 6,581 51,904 24,707 16,458 705 250 180 200 1,092 1,357 740 1,586 447 4,759 2,235 2,006 J u m l ah 11,352 15,910 12,870 21,745 7,208 56,863 26,942 18,464 % 6.6 9.3 7.5 12.7 4.2 33.1 15.8 10.8 JUMLAH 155,797 1,335 14,222 171,354 100% 2335 25 OCTOBER 1966 2336 Daripada jumlah yang di-atas hanya 79,395 ekar ia-itu 46.35% daripada-nya kapada yang peserta2.
Ia-nya mengandongi 75,356 ekar tanaman getah/kelapa sawit, 1,335 di-untokkan telah tanaman dusun/padi dan 2,704 ekar ekar kawasan perumahan.

Pechahan dan peratus-nya mengikut Negeri Kedah Perak Selangor Negeri Sembilan Melaka Johore Pahang Trengganu Tanaman Getah/K.
Sawit 6,348 5,832 3,478 7,035 6,374 29,465 11,704 5,120 Tanaman Dusun/padi negeri2 ia-lah: Kawasan Perumahan 260.4 189.5 115.7 253.0 207.5 1,097.0 398.7 182.2 705 — _ 250 180 200 Jumlah 7,313.4 6,021.5 3,593.7 7,538.0 6,761.5 30,762.0 12,102.7 5,302.2 % 9.1 7.5 4.6 9.5 8.5 38.7 15.2 6.8 JUMLAH .
75,356 1,335 2,704.0 79,395 100% Jumlah peserta2 Malaysia yang telah di-masokkan ka-dalam Ranchangan2 Lembaga Kemajuan Tanah Perseku- Negeri .. .. Kedah Perak Selangor Negeri Sembilan Melaka Johore Pahang .. Trengganu .. tanah tuan dan di-untokkan ia-lah 10,249 kelamin.

Pechahan dan peratus- nya mengikut negeri2 ia-lah: Bilangan 1,054 758 463 973 876 3,801 1,595 729 % 13 7 4 9 8 37 15 7 JUMLAH 10,249 100?

MARA Officers 80.
MARA Officers 80.

Tuan Mohamed Idris bin Matsil bertanya kapada Menteri Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar sebutkan: (a) nama pegawai2 MARA yang di-pinjamkan oleh badan2 per- usahaan atau perniagaan dan tempoh perkhidmatan mereka itu; (b) memandang kapada kelayakan2 istimewa yang ada pada pegawai2 ini, ada-kah MARA berchadang mengambil tindakan yang sesuai supaya mereka berkhidmat sa- chara tetap.

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: (a) Ha-nya sa-orang pegawai sahaja telah di-pinjamkan oleh yang (M) Berhad.
Sharikat Shell Enche' Pegawai Mansor bin Othman yang telah ia-lah ini di-pinjamkan sa-lama 2 tahun mulat dari Ihb Julai, 1965.

(b) MARA memang berchadang hendak mengambil pegawai ini berkhidmat pegawai tetap MARA.

Perkara ini sedang di-timbangkan oleh Kementerian saya.

sa-chara MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT V.I.Ps.

81.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Transport if it is true that V.I.Ps.

who travel by Malaysian Air ways planes are given free hard drinks, e.g., whisky, brandy, etc.
If so, who is a V.I.P.

in the eyes of the Malaysian Airways and why should he be treated thus.

Do V.I.Ps.

pay for their plane fares or do they pay higher fares.

If not, why this favoured treatment.

2337 25 OCTOBER 1966 2338 The Minister of Transport (Tan Sri Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Passengers of Malaysian Airways planes whether they are V.I.Ps.

or otherwise are served free drinks in 1st class.

All passengers in Tourist's Class are required to pay for any hard drinks which they order.

V.I.Ps.
V.I.Ps.

pay for their own fares and these fares are the same as for ordinary passengers.

Malayan Railways/Inhabitants of Kg.

Siputeh the trench warfare between 82.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Transport if he is aware of the Malayan Railways and the inhabitants of Kg.

Siputeh off Klang Road.

If so, will he ask the Railways to find a more sensible and safer solution than digging a trench in the road.
Tan Sri Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: I am aware of the so-called trench warfare between the Malayan Railway and the inhabitants of Kg.

Siputeh, but I should first of all make it clear that what the Honourable Member has thought it wise to describe as a "road" is not a road, Public or Private.

It is in fact the old formation of the double line which has since been Railway removed and which runs adjoining the existing single railway track.
It is pro posed to relay this line in the imme diate future to cope with anticipated increased Railway traffic and the rail way track cannot be surrendered.

It the trespassers is highly dangerous to allow trespassers, especially motor vehicles, to use as a public road this old Rail way track formation which is in close proximity to running line.
It is for the safety of themselves and to avoid legal claims for compensa tion from trespassers who might involve themselves in Railway accidents that the Railway Administration had cut a trench to dissuade trespassing when other means of dissuasion had failed.

Unfortunately however the trench was found to have been completely filled up by some unknown persons.
It is the normal responsibility of the Railway Administration to build bar riers and dig trenches periodically in order to prevent this dangerous tres passing and consequent claims for compensation in case of accidents and also to provide a safe passage for trains from any likely obstructions.

Housing for Railway Workers 83.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Transport if he is aware that practically nothing has been done to improve the housing for railway workers.
If so, will he assure the House that the Malaysian Railways will pro vide proper living quarters for railway workers throughout the country.

Tan Sri Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: It is not true that nothing has been done to improve the housing for rail way workers.

As a matter of fact new plans have been approved to replace or improve the quarters of the workers in the Malayan Railway to the required standard.
At the present moment two schemes are in operation: (i) improve and the existing quarters; (ii) replace or and build improved type of quarters as and when possible.

new The rate of improving the existing quarters is obviously a long term plan and is dependent on the availability of funds.

During the last two years 207 quarters had been the required standard and 86 new quarters have been built.

improved to Capacity at Ports of Penang and Port Swettenham could the 84.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the to clarify Minister of Transport statement made on Monday, 3rd October, 1966, that he expressed "full confidence" that Port Swettenham and be Penang and improved the west to handle all Malaysia's Products.

Can the Minister please give the House a time-table as to when and how this can be brought about, Is the Minister aware of the chaotic conditions that often prevail in Port Swettenham and Penang.
expanded 2339 25 OCTOBER 1966 2340 Tan Sri Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: I am not aware of the chaotic condi in Port that often tions Swettenham and Penang.

prevail Penang has always been a fast work ing port and, Port Swettenham, since the opening of the new wharves in the North Klang Straits, is rapidly gaining the reputation as one of the fastest working ports in South-East Asia.

Delays to ships have been virtually eliminated and cargo flows smoothly and swiftly through the port.
There is at present a margin of capacity in both ports.

However, to cope with the normal increase in traffic and increasing use of West Malaysian ports for Malaysian imports and exports, substantial schemes are in hand for enlarging both ports.

The Honourable Member for Batu will be aware that the First Malaysia Development Plan provides for an expenditure of $43M.

for a new port at Butterworth with an estimated capacity of 1M.

tons of cargo per annum, apart from an expenditure of $3.2M.
for extending the Malayan Railway into Butterworth.

The present position is that a large area of nearly 100 acres has been reclaimed and the work of piling for the wharves is going ahead rapidly and is ahead of schedule.

The railway bridge over the Prai River and the new Station be completed in 1967.

The acquisition of land for the construction of roads to serve the new port, railway station and ferry terminal is also proceeding.
It is anticipated that three berths will be open in 1968 and the remaining three berths in 1970. at Butterworth will In regard to Port Swettenham, there is provision in the current Five-Year Plan for the expenditure of $20M.

for the reclamation of additional area adjacent to the new port in the North Klang Straits and for the construction of two berths.
It is hoped to obtain financial assistance from an overseas country for the engineering consultancy work and for the foreign exchange element involved in the construction proper.

These details are now being processed and I anticipate a start will be made in this additional development at Port Swettenham in 1968 with a view to completion early in 1970 or early 1971.

Bus Services 85.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Transport if he is aware that KG.
SELAYANG BHARU is now a small township of about 600 houses with a population of about 4,000 people and that more new houses are being built almost every day.

Is he also aware there require more frequent bus services to If so, will he consider that area.

allowing the Len Bus Omnibus Com pany to run frequent bus services to that area.

the residents that Tan Sri Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: The Minister is aware that the residents of Kg.
Selayang Bharu required more frequent bus services in the area and this has been met when the application of Messrs Len Omnibus Co., Ltd, to increase the service between Kuala Lumpur and Kg.

Selayang Bharu from 1 to 16 trips per day was granted by the Road Transport Licensing Board on 21st July, 1966.

Misconduct by Drivers 86.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Transport if he is aware that in asking Division One Officer in the Government Service to report any case of misconduct by drivers of public service and goods vehicles the Commissioner of Road Transport there may be miscarriage of justice.

to Is the Minister aware that the denial of the fundamental right of the accused to confront his accuser makes a mockery of the Rule of Law.
How many such reports have been made up to 1st October, 1966, and of these how many men have had their licences suspended as a result of such anonymous complaints.
Tan Sri Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: The Minister is fully aware of the administrative instruction issued by the to Prime Minister's Department 2341 25 OCTOBER 1966 2342 Tan Sri Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Jumlah lesen2 teksi dan kereta sewa mengikut Negeri dan kaum ada-lah saperti berikut: 1963 sa-hingga 3lhb Disember Bilangan lesen2 teksi dan kereta sewa yang telah di-keluarkan .. .. .. .. J o h o re M a l a ka Negeri Sembilan Selangor Perak Penang K e d ah Perlis K e l a n t an Trengganu P a h a ng Melayu 465 237 138 188 296 73 192 42 156 77 85 B u k an Melayu 556 143 173 470 411 144 117 20 33 20 54 Division I Officers to report cases of misconduct by drivers of public service and goods vehicles to the Com missioner for Road Transport.
He is satisfied in carrying out this administrative instruction, there would be no miscarriage of justice.

that Although a complainant may not be called upon by a Registrar and Ins pector of Motor Vehicles whilst conducting an inquiry into such a complaint, there is provision in the Road Traffic Ordinance, 1958, to allow an accused to appeal to the Com missioner for Road Transport if he is aggrieved by the decision of the Registrar.
The Commissioner for Road Transport, in hearing an appeal may, if he considers it desirable, call upon the complainant to give evidence before disposing of the appeal.

In view of this provision, there is no denial of the fundamental right of the accused to confront his accuser as alleged by the Hon'ble Member.

The number of such reports made up to 1st October, 1966, is 35.

The number of licences suspended as a result of such reports is 14.

Furthermore, 2 licensees were warned.


Taxis and Lorries in Malaysia 87.

Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Men- teri Pengangkutan berapa bilangan lori yang berjalan di- teksi dan Malaysia pada masa ini.

Tan Sri Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: teksi dan kereta sewa di- Jumlah Malaysia Barat sa-hingga lhb Oktober, 1966, ia-lah 4,432 buah.

Jumlah kereta2 pengangkutan (Goods Vehicles) daripada semua jenis di- Malaysia Barat sa-hingga lhb Oktober, 1966, ia-lah 31,212 buah.
.. J o h o re M e l a ka Negeri Sembilan Selangor P e r ak Penang K e d ah Perlis Kelantan Trengganu P a h a ng .. J o h o re M e l a ka Negeri Sembilan Selangor P e r ak Penang K e d ah Perlis K e l a n t an .. T r e n g g a n u .. P a h a ng Taxi and Lorry Licences 88.

Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Menteri Peng angkutan berapa bilangan lesen teksi dan lori, mengikut Negeri dan kaum, yang di-keluarkan oleh Kementerian Pengangkutan dalam tahun 1963, 1964, 1965 dan 1966 masing2-nya.
Johore Melaka Negeri Sembilan .. Selangor Perak Penang Kedah Perlis Kelantan Trengganu Pahang 1964 sa-hingga 3 l hb D i s e m b er Bilangan lesen2 d an kereta sewa yang telah di-keluarkan Melayu 473 245 152 218 299 78 201 42 184 82 88 B u k an Melayu 555 151 175 469 414 147 117 20 33 20 51 1965 sa-hingga 3 l hb Disember Bilangan lesen2 d an kereta sewa yang telah di-keluarkan Melayu 485 246 152 255 315 81 209 42 186 89 92 B u k an Melayu 554 152 176 470 415 148 117 20 33 20 52 1966 sa-hingga 30hb Septembe Bilangan lesen2 d an kereta di- sewa yang telah k e l u a r k an Melayu 485 252 159 280 360 81 226 44 186 93 100 Bukan Melayu 554 253 177 473 421 148 117 20 133 19 53 2343 25 OCTOBER 1966 2344 Ada tiga jenis Lesen2 Pengangkutan yang di-keluarkan bagi kereta2 peng angkutan.
Mereka ada-lah saperti ber- ikut— sa-orang pemegang Lesen Pengangkutan jenis "A" mem- benarkan lesen mengguna kereta-nya untok meng- angkut barang2 sa-chara sewa atau upah.

sa-orang pemegang Lesen Pengangkutan jenis " B" mem- lesen benarkan mengguna kereta-nya untok meng- angkut barang2-nya sendiri dan juga barang2 untok sewa atau upah.

Lesen Pengangkutan jenis "C" ha- nya membenarkan sa-orang pemegang lesen mengangkut barang2-nya sendiri.
Mengenai lesen pengangkutan jenis "C" undang2 yang ada sekarang ia-lah bahawa sa-saorang pemohon (lesen itu) ada-lah di-kehendaki memberi kete- rangan yang ia-nya ada mempunyai perniagaan untok membolehkan peng- gunaan kereta yang mana jenis lesen pengangkutan itu di-pohonkan.

Lesen tersebut mempunyai had2 yang tertentu mengenai barang2 dan kawasan dalam mana kereta itu di-benarkan berjalan.

Kedua2 faktor ini bergantong kapada bersama2 keterangan dengan permohonan itu.
Memandang kapada hal di-atas saya chatetkan di- bawah ini hanya bilangan lesen2 jenis "A" dan " B" sahaja yang telah di- keluarkan oleh Kementerian saya bagi tahun 1963, 1964, 1965 dan 1966— di-beri yang 1963 sa-hingga 31hb Disember Bilangan lesen jenis " A" yang telah di-keluarkan Melayu Melayu d an b u k an Melayu b e r g a n d i ng B u k an M e l a yu 27 8 3 4 17 11 28 2 15 14 129 34 6 4 28 32 4 6 2 5 332 90 138 480 276 167 61 49 1,601 .. .. J o h o re M a l a c ca Negri Sembilan Selangor P e r ak P e n a ng K e d ah Perlis K e l a n t an .. T r e n g g a n u .. P a h a ng J U M L AH 1964 sa-hingga 31hb Disember Bilangan lesen jenis " A" yang telah di-keluarkan Melayu Melayu d an b u k an M e l a yu b e r g a n d i ng B u k an Melayu 28 8 4 4 18 12 27 21 4 14 38 7 1 20 36 33 6 2 7 332 90 138 481 276 167 61 4 4 49 .. .. J o h o re M a l a c ca N e g ri Sembilan Selangor P e r ak P e n a ng K e d ah Perlis K e l a n t an .. T r e n g g a n u .. P a h a ng J U M L AH 140 157 1,602 1965 sa-hingga 31hb Disember Bilangan lesen jenis " A" yang telah di-keluarkan Melayu M e l a yu d an b u k an M e l a yu b e r g a n d i ng B u k an M e l a yu sa-hingga 30hb September Bilangan lesen jenis " A" yang telah di-keluarkan M e l a yu M e l a yu d an b u k an M e l a yu b e r g a n d i ng B u k an M e l a yu 40 8 5 7 19 14 29 19 7 15 50 9 2 37 46 38 332 90 136 489 275 168 56 4 4 49 .. .. J o h o re M a l a c ca Negri Sembilan Selangor P e r ak P e n a ng K e d ah Perlis K e l a n t an .. T r e n g g a n u .. P a h a ng J U M L AH J o h o re M a l a c ca Negri Sembilan Selangor P e r ak P e n a ng K e d ah Perlis K e l a n t an T r e n g g a n u. P a h a ng J U M L AH 163 1,603 2345 25 OCTOBER 1966 2346 1963 sa-hingga 31hb Disember Bilangan lesen jenis " B" yang telah di-keluarkan Meiayu Meiayu dan bukan Bukan Meiayu Meiayu berganding 1966 sa-hingga 30hb September Bilangan lesen jenis " B" yang telah di-keluarkan Meiayu bukan
 Meiayu berganding Bukan Meiayu .. .. Johore Malacca Negri Sembilan Selangor Perak Penang Kedah Perlis Kelantan .. Trengganu.. Pahang .
:} 36 15 13 11 24 22 40 10 97 30 JUMLAH .

298 — — — 7 5 — — — — 1 13 318 65 91 409 328 135 92 — 107 89 .. .. Johore Malacca Negri Sembilan Selangor Perak Penang Kedah Perlis Kelantan .. Trengganu.. Pahang 57 15 14 9 27 23 48 94 45 37 ::} 1,634 JUMLAH 369 10 — — 7 7 — 2 — — 2 28 338 66 89 418 348 139 90 76 29 87 1,680 1964 sa-hingga 31hb Disember Bilangan lesen jenis " B" yang telah di-keluarkan Meiayu Meiayu dan bukan Bukan Meiayu Meiayu berganding .
:} 46 15 13 10 25 22 47 87 44 33 .. .. Johore Malacca Negri Sembilan Selangor Perak Penang Kedah Perlis Kelantan .. Trengganu.. Pahang JUMLAH .

342 1965 sa-hingga 31hb Disember Bilangan lesen jenis " B" yang telah di-keluarkan Meiayu Meiayu dan bukan Bukan Meiayu Meiayu berganding .. .. Johore Malacca Negri Sembilan Selangor Perak Penang Kedah Perlis Kelantan .. Trengganu.. Pahang .

51 15 14 9 26 23 46 92 48 34 JUMLAH .


358 10 — — 7 6 — 2 — — 1 26 334 65 89 418 346 138 88 75 31 87 1,671 MINISTRY FOR WELFARE SERVICES Flood Victims in Kelantan 89.

Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Men- 'Am sebutkan puncha teri Kebajikan dari mana datang-nya wang yang di- beri kapada mangsa2 banjir baharu2 ini di-Kelantan.
sa-bagai di-bayar Menteri Kebajikan 'Am (Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan): Semua wang yang bantuan pemulehan kapada mangsa2 banjir dalam bulan Julai yang lepas ada-lah daripada Kumpulan Wang Kerajaan Pusat (Consolidated Fund) dan per- untokan bagi-nya telah pun di-luluskan oleh Dewan ini dalam sidang-nya yang lepas.

90.
90.

Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Men teri Kebajikan 'Am ada-kah wang itu di-bayar daripada kumpulan wang Kerajaan, dan jika ya, ada-kah wang ini sa-benar-nya wang ra'ayat yang di- kutip sa-bagai chukai dan lain2.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: la, wang itu di-bayar daripada kumpulan wang Kerajaan yang datang-nya dari pada chukai2 dan hasil2 yang di-kutip daripada ra'ayat.

91.
91.

Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Men teri Kebajikan 'Am jika dia sedar ia-itu 2347 25 OCTOBER 1966 2348 telah itu, sa-tengah2 mangsa banjir ter- tidak tinggal dan, oleh kerana mendapat bantuan dan jika sedar, ada- kah Kerajaan berchadang mengadakan sa-mula satu penyiasatan dan memberi ter- bantuan kapada mereka yang tinggal itu.
Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Boleh jadi apa yang di-katakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu benar, tetapi dukachita Kerajaan tidak dapat me- nimbangkan sa-mula oleh sebab masa yang panjang, lebeh daripada ia-itu 4 bulan telah di-berikan kapada semua mangsa2 banjir bagi mendaftarkan diri sa-belum atau pun semasa penyiasatan di-jalankan di-Kelantan dan Treng- ganu.

Ma'alumat atas perkara ini telah sa-luas2-nya melalui di-beri dengan radio, akhbar2 dan Penggawa2 serta Penghulu2.
Saya ada-lah berpuas hati ia-itu jangka dan tempoh masa yang panjang telah di-beri kapada semua mangsa2 banjir bagi mendaftarkan diri mereka sa-belum atau pun semasa penyiasatan di-jalankan.

Semua permohonan yang di-terima telah di-siasat dengan teliti dan bantuan telah pun di-berikan ka pada mereka yang di-dapati layak menerima-nya.

92.
92.

Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Men- teri Kebajikan 'Am jika dia sedar ia- itu chawangan2 dan bahagian2 UMNO di-Kelantan sedang giat mendaftar mangsa2 banjir yang tiada menerima bantuan dengan mengutip dua ringgit tiap2 orang, dan ada-kah daripada perbuatan ini di-benarkan oleh Kemen- terian, dan, jika tidak, apa-kah tinda- terhadap kan yang akan di-ambil mereka yang menipu ra'ayat dengan perbuatan yang demikian atas nama Kementerian.
Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Saya tidak sedar apa yang di-katakan oleh ahli Yang Berhormat itu ada berlaku.

Jika sa- sa-kira-nya perkara yang umpama itu ada berlaku, saya shorkan supaya Yang Berhormat itu membuat pengaduan kapada pehak polis.

Social Welfare Lotteries Board 93.


Tuan Mohamed Idris bin Matsil minta Menteri Kebajikan 'Am me- nyatakan: (a) Nama Pengerusi Lembaga Loteri dan Kebajikan Masharakat tarikh di-lantek, dan (b) Nama ahli2 Lembaga Loteri Kebajikan Masharakat yang lain dan tarikh mereka di-lantek.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: (a) Pengerusi Lembaga Loteri Ke bajikan dan Perkhidmatan Ma ia-lah Y.B.

Tan Sri sharakat T. H. Tan, P.M.N., J.M.N., C.W.E., M.P., dan tarikh di-lantek ia-lah 10-11-55.
(b) Nama ahli2 Lembaga Loteri dan Perkhidmatan Kebajikan Masharakat yang lain dan tarikh mereka pertama di-lantek ada- lah saperti di-bawah ini: 1.

Y.B.

Tan Sri Fatimah binti Haji Hashim, P.M.N., M.P 10-11-59 Kumaran, P.I.S.

2.

Y.B.

Enche' Moha med bin Jusoh, A.M.N.

3.

Y.M.

Raja Mohamed Nordin Al-Haj bin Raja Deli, PJ.K., J.P. 4.

Y.B.

Enche' M. P. ... 5.

Y.B.

Enche' Lee Eng ... Wan Mohd.

Razalli bin Wan Mohamed Isa, S.P.M.P., O.B.E., J.P. .

.. 7.

Enche' Gurdial Singh, ... J.P., P.P.N., P J .


K. 8.

Enche' David E. L. Teh, J.P., A.M.N.

6.

Tuan Haji Choong 9.

Enche' J. P. L. Wong, B.

(Hons.)

Comm.

A.C.A., C.P.A., Malaysia Kebajikan 10.

Pengarah Masharakat 10-2-63 10-2-63 10-2-63 10-2-63 17-9-64 10-2-65 10-2-65 1-8-65 10-2-63 MINISTRY OF WORKS, POSTS AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS Telephone Service 94.
Tuan C. John Ondu Majakil asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, whether Govern ment is aware of the very bad telephone 2349 25 OCTOBER 1966 2350 services in Keningau, Penampang, Ranau, Tauran, Papar, Kota Belud, Kudat and in other districts in the State of Sabah and, if so, whether Government has plans to improve the services in anticipation of more tele phone subscribers who, at the moment, see very little point in paying for a telephone line which is nearly always "tooting."
The Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications (Tan Sri V. T. Sambanthan): It is recognised that the telephone network throughout the State of Sabah is generally poor and below recognised World engineering standards and is the legacy left behind by the Colonial administration.
for adequate It was necessary therefore when pre paring proposals for inclusion in the First Malaysia Development Plan to cater primarily trunk routes between the major centres of population and commerce with the object of establishing a system which would provide for future requirements and allow expansion of services in an economical and logical manner.
Unfortunately, the financial ceiling set for telecommunications in the over all plan did not allow the inclusion of funds to develop or expand the minor trunks routes to which the Honourable Member refers.

it However, is hoped when new equipment provided under the develop ment plan arrives and is put into ser vice existing equipment on the major routes will be taken out of service overhauled and redeployed in minor routes.
Keningau, Kota Belud and Kudat are included the redeployment programme which are expected to be completed during 1967.

Service between Jesselton and Penam pang has recently been improved by the installation of a new cable pro viding three additional circuits where two previously existed.

Provision has been made the Development Plan to build a combined Post Office/Exchange at Ranau during 1967 and upon completion an improved in exchange will be installed as part of the redeployment exchange programme.
Unfortunately, the financial limit of the telecommunications development budget does not allow at present for improvements to the system at Papar, Tuaran and other districts.

The Honourable Member may be assured that the Department recognising the shortcomings of the system will do everything possible to maintain and make improvements until equipment for major development is available.

Post Office for Donggongon Town 95.


Tuan C. John Ondu Majakil asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Tele communications, if the Government is aware of the stacks of accummulated letters in the Penampang District Office, and, if so, whether Government has plans to establish a branch Post Office at Donggongon Town, Penampang, as early as possible.
Tan Sri V. T. Sambanthan: Postal facilities existing at Penampang at present are a Postal Agency in the District Office and a full postal service by the Mobile Post Office Monday to Friday.

A Postal Agency has recently been opened at Limbanak near Dong gongon.

Letters are held by the Postal Agen cies until called for by addressees.

If they are not claimed within a month they are returned to the Head Post Office.
There is no provision in the First Malaysia Plan for a Departmental Post Office in the Penampang Area but the Department is anxious to extend the facilities now offered at the Penampang Postal Agency and this will be done as soon as practicable.

Class H Quarters 96.


Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecom munications to give details, State by State, of Class "H" quarters completed during 1965 and from 1st January to 30th September, 1966, for which funds were provided from Federal funds.
2351 25 OCTOBER 1966 2352 Tan Sri V. T. Sambanthan: The MINISTRY OF CULTURE, YOUTH details are as follows: State (a) Kedah/Perlis (b) Penang (c) Perak (d) Kelantan .. (e) Trengganu (/) Pahang (g) Selangor (h) Negeri Sembilan (0 Johore 0") Malacca 1965 1966 (Jan. to Sept.) 8 units 15 units .

.

20 „ .. 94 „ .. 18 „ — .

.

68 units .. 140 .. 57 ,, ,, .. 43 „ .. 38 „ 59 „ 24 „ — — 20 units 22 „ 9 „ 40 ,, Nil AND SPORTS Sungei Way Golf Course 99.
Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports: the estimated cost of $1.6 million required to construct the Sungei Way Golf Course; state whether (a) to give a breakdown figure includes the cost of acquisition and preparation of the land for the golf course; and (b) to this for (c) if not, to state the cost of this expenditure, and whether it has been borne by the Government.

Newly Laid Road , , 97.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Tele- The Minister of Culture, Youth and communications if he is aware that the Sports (Tuan Senu bin Abdul Rahman): (a) The estimated breakdown of $1.6 newly laid road at the 7 1/2 mile Kepong had crumbled about ten days after it million is as follows: has been laid.

If so, what are the reasons for this poor standard of work and waste of tax payers' money.
Club House ... Water Supply Electricity Car Park Greens/Fairways .. $ 400,000 70,000 50,000 76,000 1,004,000 .. Tan Sri V. T. Sambanthan: The "newly laid road" mentioned by the Hon'ble Member is a short stretch of road at a bend at the 7 1/2 mile Kepong Road which was repaired to eliminate water stagnating on the surface of it after a rain.

The work is not completed yet, and as such the inference drawn by the Honourable Member is not correct.

Public Telephones 98.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Tele communications if he is aware that KG.

SELAYANG BARU now is a small township of about 600 houses with a population of about 4,000 people and that more new houses are being built almost every day.

Is he also aware that there is a dire need for about two public telephones to meet the needs of the people staying there.

If so, will he expedite these telephones.


installation of the Tan Sri V. T. Sambanthan: The provision of public telephone facilities at Kampong Selayang Baru will be considered along with other areas in the next works programme for such facilities.

$1,600,000 (b) and (c) Aside from the above figure, $2,361,324.59 has been spent on acquisition of land and $26,019.05 on Architect's fees.
These costs have also been borne from the loan advanced by the Government and as mentioned in the answer to the Hon'ble Member's earlier question at the last Parliament Session on 22nd August, 1966; all these costs are to be recovered even tually by the Government.

MINISTRY OF FINANCE Deficits in the Federal Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure 100.
Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Finance to give particulars of deficits in the Federal estimates of revenue and expenditure as at Septem ber, 30, 1966.

The Minister of Finance (Tuan Tan Siew Sin): The information asked for is not available as our accounts are made up as at 31st December in every 2353 25 OCTOBER 1966 2354 year.

Under such circumstances, it is not possible the figures to extract involved.

Federation of Kwang Tung Associa tions.


If so, what action has he taken on this resolution.

Exemption from Telephone Levy 101.

Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Finance whether he would favourably consider exempting non profit making bodies from the 10 cents telephone levy.

Tuan Tan Siew Sin: I am informed by the Department of Telecoms that it would be impossible in automatic exchanges where S.T.D.
(Subscribers' Trunk Dialling) facilities are available to distinguish between local calls and trunk calls, as both types of calls are recorded on the same meter.

In addi tion, the Department cannot separate genuine "charity" calls from the private it must calls made, and obviously charge for the latter.

Under the circum stances, it would not be practicable to accede to the request made by the Honourable Member, even on the assumption that it is desirable to do so.

Revenues from Telephone Levy 102.


Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Finance whether he is in a position to state monthly revenues from the 10-cent a call telephone levy imposed since July this year.

Tuan Tan Siew Sin: It is regretted that it is not possible at the moment to state with any accuracy the monthly revenue derived from the 10-cent levy for local calls imposed since July this year.
However, from an estimate that has been made, it is estimated that this levy could bring in about $700,000 per month.

Exemption from Income Tax 103.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Finance if he has received a resolution for the 20th Annual Con ference of the Federation of Kwang Tung Associations that the Govern ments of Malaysia and Singapore be requested to give exemption from the payment of Income Tax on donations made to the Scholarship Fund of the Tuan Tan Siew Sin: A copy of the resolution in question was received in the Treasury on 23rd September, 1966.
Under the circumstances, it has not been possible to give a decision on this matter which is still under considera tion.

Smuggling of Goods 104.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Finance what steps has the Malaysian Government taken to prevent smuggling of goods between Malaysia and the Philippines.

Is the Minister aware that this is one area of friction between the two countries.
Tuan Tan Siew Sin: The Government has already appointed a committee of officials to study the problem with a view to talks being held with represen tatives of the Philippines Government to consider any anti-smuggling measures that may be necessary.

In furtherance of this objective a Malaysian fact finding team together with a similar team from the Philippines are already in Sabah to undertake a joint factual study of the situation.
The report of these fact finding teams will be submitted to the national committees already appointed by both Governments for is already close liaison between the two Governments on this subject and it is hoped that a satisfactory solution to this problem will be found.

The impli cation made in the second part of this question does not, therefore, arise.

consideration.

There further Payroll Tax 105.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Finance if political parties with full-time employees have to pay payroll tax in respect of their full-time employees.

Tuan Tan Siew Sin: In accordance with the provisions of L.N.

194 dated 12th May, 1965, political parties regis tered under any written law in force in Malaysia relating to the registration of societies are wholly exempted from the payment of payroll tax.

2355 25 OCTOBER 1966 2356 Taxes 106.


Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Men- teri Kewangan apa-kah jenis2 chukai yang ter- telah di-naikkan semenjak chapai kemerdekaan.

Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Jenis2 chukai yang ter- telah di-naikkan semenjak chapai Kemerdekaan ada-lah saperti berikut (menurut susunan kepala2 hasil sa-bagaimana yang terchatet di-dalam Anggaran Hasil): (i) Chukai eksepot ka-atas getah dan bijeh besi.
(ii) Chukai2 impot ka-atas petrol, minyak berat dan minyak bahan- bakar, minyak spirit, kain2 dan pakaian, tembakau, cherutu dan rokok, minuman keras beragi, gula dan lain2 impot yang tertentu.

(iii) Bea ka-atas minuman keras beral- kohol, petrol, minyak berat dan minyak bahanbakar, guris api, rokok dan lain2 barang yang ter tentu.

(iv) Lesen2 kenderaan jalanraya.

(v) Chukai pendapatan ka-atas orang persaorangan dan sharikat.

(vi) Chukai2 harta pusaka.


dan 1966 masing2-nya, dan ka-negeri mana-kah wang itu di-kirim.

Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Saya sedar akan kiriman2 wang saperti yang tersebut itu.

Kiriman2 wang saperti itu ada-lah di-benarkan mengikut undang2 negeri ini.
Kiriman2 wang yang di-buat baharu2 ter- chatit dalam bank di-Malaysia Barat, ada-lah saperti yang berikut: ini, sa-bagaimana yang KIRIMAN2 WANG KA-LUAR NEGERI KAPADA MEREKA2 YANG BUKAN TINGGAL (SA-BAGAI NAFKAH, HADIAH MENETAP WANG TUNAI DAN LAIN2 LAGI) 1963 1964 1965 1966* Ka-United Kingdom 17.75 27.19 25.81 11.32 Hong Kong .. 9.64 11.41 13.78 6.83 India dan Pakis- tan .. Australia Kawasan2 Sterling yang lain 9.94 7.80 8.34 8.44 3.80 4.22 5.31 3.28 3.52 3.29 3.28 0.47 Amerika Sharikat 2.52 Di-tempat2 di-dunia lain 2.88 1.68 2.14 1.22 3.37 3.15 1.59 Jumlah .. 50.05 58.96 61.81 33.15 * $M juta (pertengahan tahun yang pertama).
Kiriman2 wang ka-negeri China sa- bagaimana yang di-chatit oleh Pehak Kawalan Penukaran Wang, ada-lah saperti yang berikut: (vii) Bayaran pendaftaran kenderaan 1963 1964 1965 1966\ jalanraya.

(viii) Bayaran pos.

(ix) Bayaran talikom.

Yang Berhormat itu barangkali ingin juga hendak tahu ia-itu beberapa chukai semenjak baharu telah di-kenakan merdeka.

Chukai2 termasok-lah chukai "turnover", chukai "payroll", chukai keuntongan bijeh timah dan chukai sewa filem.

ini Remittances to Foreign Countries 107.


Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul kapada Ahmad Mianji Menteri Kewangan ada-kah dia sedar bahawa ada pendudok2 dalam Malaysia mengirim wang ka-negeri asal mereka, dan jika sedar, berapa banyak wang kiriman dalam tahun 1963, 1964, 1965 bertanya Ka-Negeri China .. 3.48 3.81 3.64 2.37 t $M juta (Januari-Ogos).
Angka2 yang tertera di-atas tidak-lah termasok kiriman2 wang yang di- hantar kapada pendudok2 luar negeri juga kerana belanja pelajaran, dan tidak termasok kiriman2 wang untok perbelanjaan (capital purposes).

besar2 yang Foreign Financial/Material Aids 108.


Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad bertanya kapada Menteri Kewangan nyatakan jumlah anggaran bantuan kewangan atau mata-benda yang akan di-terima daripada negeri2 Jepun, Amerika, Jer- man, Peranchis, Italy, Canada, Holland, Belgium atau lain2 negeri yang sanggup membantu kita membiayai Ranchangan Pembangunan Malaysia yang Pertama, 2357 25 OCTOBER 1966 2358 untok merapatkan kewangan kita Kerajaan British membantu kita.
jurang kesulitan2 akibat keengganan oleh juga beberapa Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Pinjaman wang berjumlah lebeh kurang $550 juta telah di-tawarkan buah negara2 yang menjadi ahli Kumpulan Perunding Bantuan kapada Malaysia (Consultative Group on Aid to Malay sia) dengan tujuan untok membiayai perojek2 Ranchangan Pembangunan Malaysia yang Pertama.
Jumlah-nya yang sa-benar mungkin lebeh tinggi, di-sebabkan sa-tengah2 negara telah membayangkan bahawa kemam- puan mereka untok memberi pinjaman tidak sa-mesti-nya terhad kapada jum- lah yang telah di-tawarkan, sa-kira-nya pinjaman2 sa-mata2 itu di-gunakan untok membeli barang2 atau bagi men- dapatkan khidmat2 dari negara2 itu sendiri.

Sama ada jumlah penoh pin jaman2 yang telah di-tawarkan itu akan di-gunakan habis2 atau tidak ber- gantong-lah kapada nilai belian Malay sia dari negara2 tersebut.
Jumlah ini tidak dapat di-taksirkan pada peringkat ini, kerana ini bergantong kapada hasil tender2 antarabangsa yang telah di- jemput untok menyiapkan perojek2 yang besar dalam Ranchangan Malaysia yang Pertama.

Sa-lain daripada kemu- dahan2 pinjaman wang ini, Malaysia chuba mendapatkan pemberian2 wang dan bantuan2 teknik daripada negara2 berbagai2 ini untok melaksanakan perojek.
Oleh kerana permohonan2 untok mendapatkan bantuan saperti ini ada-lah suatu proses yang ber- lanjut2an, tidak dapat hendak di- katakan pada bila2 masa berapa banyak pemberian2 wang atau bantuan2 teknik yang boleh terdapat.

MINISTRY OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND HOUSING had to be taken out of the hotel by the fire brigade through the windows.

What steps has he taken to prevent such a recurrence.
The Minister for Local Government and Housing (Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh): the Federal The Commissioner of Capital has issued instructions and his officers are carrying out inspections of all multi-storeyed buildings, hotels and other licensed premises to ensure that all fire escapes are free of obstruction.

At a recent outbreak of fire in the Town House Hotel building at Jalan Tong Shin a few residents of the hotel affected by the recent fire were taken out through the windows.
This is a standard Fire Brigade procedure in effecting rescue operations of persons in distress from all buildings.

Further instructions have been issued by the Commissioner of the Federal Capital to his officers that all multi- storeyed buildings, hotels and other licensed premises should be inspected at regular intervals in future to ensure that fire escapes are kept clear of any obstruction at all times.
Owners and persons in charge of multi-storeyed buildings, hotels and other licensed pre mises have been requested to co-operate by complying with the simple fire precaution of keeping all fire escapes free of obstruction.

Government Officers Co-operative Housing Society Limited 110.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing the total sum of money that has been loaned to the Government Officers Co-operative Housing Society Limited.
Of this sum how much has been spent on the purchase of land.

Fire Escape in Kuala Lumpur 109.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing what steps has the Commis sioner of the Federal Capital taken to see in Kuala Lumpur is free of obstruction.

Is the Minister aware that at a recent fire in Kuala Lumpur the residents there that all fire escape Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Government has loaned a sum of $13 million to the Malaysia Government Officers' Co operative Housing Society Limited.
The total cost of land for the three schemes at Sungei Way, Kuala Lumpur, Jalan Tebrau, Johore Bahru and Sungei Dua, Penang is $7,161,640.20.

Of this a sum of $3,128,900.00 was paid from the loan granted by Government.

2359 25 OCTOBER 1966 2360 111.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the chased by the Government Officers' Minister for Local Government and Co-operative Housing Society Limited Housing for details of the land pur- as follows: Location Acreage of each Scheme Title Number Purchase Value Date of Purchase 1.

2.

3.

Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Location Acreage of each scheme A. R. P. Sungei Way, Kuala Lumpur 219 0 20 Jalan Tebrau, Johore Bahru ... 165 1 30 Sungei Dua, Penang ... 62 0 5 112.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing if the Government Officers' Co-operative Housing Society Limited has completed any housing scheme.

If so, can the Minister give details as follows : Location.

Date of Completion.

Number of unit.

Cost of each unit.

yet has been Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: No housing scheme completed by the Malaysian Government Officers' Co-operative Housing Society Limited.
Works have commenced in respect of three schemes in Sungei Way, Kuala Lumpur, Johore Bahru and Sungei Dua, Penang.

Satisfactory progress has been achieved in respect of the Sungei Way Scheme where 237 structures are up with 193 completely roofed in the Phase I (272 units) and foundations put respect of 122 units and 11 in completely roofed in Phase II (442 units) (which was handed to Contractors in August, 1966).

Phase III (330 units) to Contractors very will be handed are schemes three the soon.
All Title number Purchase value Date of purchase 5,436 5,464 9,672 G.T.

6,522 G. 1,466 1,467 $1,753,000.00 6-12-63 4,464,640.20 6-10-64 944,000.00 15-1-65 expected December, 1967. to be completed by 31st Multi-Storey Flats 113.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing what immediate plans has he for replacing old Colonial labour lines with multi-storey flats.
sub-standard Municipal Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: The Ministry's immediate plans are to demolish old and labour lines in Kuala Lumpur and to build in their stead multi-storey flats to re-house the labourers and to allocate surplus units to the general public who qualify for low cost housing.

The object of this exercise is firstly to provide a new deal for workers in housing and secondly to intensify the use of valuable Muni cipal land now occupied by low density sub-standard Municipal lines.
The Ministry is able to carry out the in Kuala Lumpur more programme expeditiously the Federal because Capital is directly under the Ministry and the lands on which the labour lines stand are Municipal reserves for Muni cipal housing.

Work has been started at Shaw Road and Bungsar but unfor tunately work in respect of the former labour 2361 25 OCTOBER 1966 2362 has been held up owing to breaches in the piling contract.
The Federal Capital has plans to replace labour lines in San Peng Road and at Sentul and the whole programme, which will be implemented and completed during the 5-Year Plan period, is expected to yield 3,096 units.

As for labour lines belonging to other Ministries, Departments and Public Authorities, the exercise is not so simple since it is necessary to, first of all, establish the status and purpose of the lands on which labour lines stand.
A Committee has been appointed to extend this new idea to other Ministries, Departments and Public Authorities and at the moment it is collecting data, such as the number of labourers who are required to be housed, the avail ability of sites, the total areas of such sites and their localities, whether the sites have been declared as reserves for the purpose of labourers' housing, etc.

The State Governments have been addressed on the subject and they are in this pro welcome to participate gramme.
So far, Penang has indicated interest.

Kg.

Pandan Low Cost Housing Scheme— Soil Erosion 114.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing what steps have been taken to prevent soil erosion on the Kg.

Pandan Low Cost Housing Scheme.

Is he aware that more houses will collapse if nothing is done.

Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Temporary measures have from time to time been carried out to prevent soil erosion at Kampong Pandan Low Cost Housing Scheme.
Tenders have now been called for further remedial works, estimated to cost $80,000, which are expected to be completed by the end of this year.

The Mines Department has been taking necessary approached and restrict mining operations to steps within close proximity of this Housing Estate.

is With all these preventive steps taken, it is not anticipated that any house will collapse as a result of soil erosion.

Low Cost Houses the 115.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister for Local Government and Housing what has he done to build low cost houses for sale for the houseless thousands.

should yield Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: The Ministry has approved a total of 71 low cost housing projects throughout Malaysia approximately which 31,607 low cost dwellings and for which a sum of $145,699,230 has been committed.

Although only a few pro jects have so far been completed, work has commenced on 31 per cent of the projects.
Tenders have been called in respect of several more and the pro gramme can be said to be well under way.

than by actual The number of low cost dwellings that can be built is dictated more by the amount of money which can be made available rather low cost housing needs.

The Government in 1965 was only able to allocate $150 million for low cost housing in the 1st Malaysia Plan in view of Confrontation and defence requirements.
With Con frontation now ended it is hoped that more money can be made available for low cost housing in the near future.

Several other proposals for low cost housing projects are under active con sideration by the Ministry.

All low cost houses will be sold on hire purchase terms but flats will be rented in the first instance.

A Com mittee has been appointed to go into the question of selling flats and this will be accomplished as and when the Committee has recommended pro cedures, etc., to enable sale.
The Ministry's programme for low cost housing does not take into account the construction of labourers' quarters by the Federal and State Governments for which there are separate provisions, the construction of settlers' homes in Federal Land Development Schemes and low cost houses built by other Government Authorities or Agencies.

2363 25 OCTOBER 1966 2364 Jalan Ampang/Lorong Tuanku Abdul Rahman Bridge 116.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing when will the bridge linking Jalan Ampang and Lorong Tuanku Abdul Rahman be completed.

Is he aware that one bridge is not enough and that the developer should be asked to build yet another bridge.

the developers Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: The bridge linking Jalan Ampang and Lorong Tuanku Abdul Rahman which is being constructed by is expected to be completed by the end of this year.
It is considered that this bridge is adequate for the development in this area.

The construction of a second bridge is not considered neces sary for this development.

New Master Plan for Kuala Lumpur 117.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing when the new Master Plan for Kuala Lumpur will be ready and made known to the public.

Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: The outline Master Plan for the Federal Capital is expected to be ready for public inspec tion within two months.
In addition a Plan is being completed designating the Urban Fringe Limits for Greater Kuala Lumpur.

Athi Nahappan Commission 118.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and the Athi Nahappan Housing when Commission on Local Government will complete its report.

Now that Confron tation is over when will the Alliance Government implement its promise to hold local council election.
Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: The Royal Commission of Inquiry to investigate into the Workings of Local Authorities is presently recording and documenting the evidence received during its inqui ries in the various States of Malaya.

Only after all the documents have been processed will the Commission sit down to formulate its recommendations and write the Report.

It is anticipated that the Commission will be able to submit its report by the end of March 1967.
As regards local council elections these were suspended for security reasons.

In the meantime this considera tion has been overtaken by event.

Resumption of such elections will depend on the outcome of the Report.

Commission of Inquiry 119.

Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing the result of his quest for an eminent member of the judiciary to head the commission of inquiry into the affairs of the Johore Bahru Town Council.
Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: The Lord informed my since President has Ministry release he would that the Honourable Mr Justice Dato' Abdul Aziz bin Mohd.

Zain to head the Commission of Inquiry into the the Johore Bahru Town affairs of Council.

The Commission will commence its investigations as soon as the Honourable Mr Justice Dato' Abdul Aziz has completed the present inquiry into the affairs of the Penang City Council.

PRIME MINISTER'S DEPARTMENT Tan Sri Sir Claude Fenner 120.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Prime Minister if Tan Sri Sir Claude Fenner has been in receipt of Malaya- nization compensation.

If so, why has he been allowed to return to Malaysia to take up a post here.

The Prime Minister: Tan Sri Sir Claude Fenner is due to retire with effect from 6th July, 1967.

He is now on leave prior to retirement.

As an officer whose post has been Malaya- nised, he is eligible for payment of compensation for loss of career when his retirement becomes effective.
Tan Sri Sir Claude Fenner is in employment in this country as Special Representative of the Rubber Growers' Association, London.

The Rubber Growers' Association, which is regis tered in London, is an Association of 2365 25 OCTOBER 1966 2366 British-owned rubber estate in overseas territories.

It has a Special Repre sentative in each of these territories to represent its interests and Tan Sri Sir Claude is its representative in Malay sia.
The Government feels that as this is an appointment of a Special Repre sentative of the Association to represent its interests it should be allowed free dom of choice and Tan Sri Sir Claude Fenner in my mind is a suitable choice.

Electoral Roll Forms 121.

Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Prime Minister whether he is aware that in 1964 the Government Printer purchased electoral roll forms costing $13,357.40 without recourse to public tender and to state what action he has taken on the matter.
The Prime Minister: I am aware that in 1964, the Government Printer, on the advice of the Elections Commis sion, purchased electoral roll forms costing $13,357.40 without recourse to public tender.

The Government Prin ter was not able to call for public tender because the completed electoral rolls had to be ready well before the Parliamentary and State Elections of 1964.
The date of the elections could not be ascertained well before hand by the Elections Commission because it depended on when the Dewan Ra'ayat would be dissolved.

The Dewan Ra'ayat was dissolved much earlier than the Elections Commission expected.

If tenders were to be called for the electoral roll forms it would not have been possible for the Elections Commission to pre pare the rolls in time for the elections.
As a result the Government Printer was advised not to call for tenders but instead to call for quotation only and this was done.

the supply of The Treasury was satisfied with the explanation and approved the purchase.

General Orders 122.
General Orders 122.

Tuan C. John Ondu Majakil asks the Prime Minister whether he is aware the present General Orders that various Government (Guides Departments' functionings) in use in the State of Sabah and presumably in to all other States of Malaysia is still that of the British Colonials' which should have been abandoned long ago soon after the Independence of Malaysia and whether the Malaysian Govern ment has any plan to replace them with our own General Orders.
The Prime Minister: The present Sabah General Orders is the revised edition which became effective from 1st February, 1958.

Since then various amendments have been made to bring them up-to-date.

The question of replacing these General Orders with a new edition is a matter for the State Government of Sabah to consider.

in The existing General Orders being used in West Malaysia in respect of the Federal Public Service is at the moment the process of being revised.
However due to the guarantees contained in the I.G.C.

Report of 1962, these General Orders cannot be applied to officers in Federalised Departments in East Malaysia.

serving Parliament House 123.


Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Prime Minister to state: (a) the firm responsible for cleaning the Parliament House and its service charges; (b) whether tenders were called for this work; if yes, to give the quotations offered by the other firms, giving their names; if no tenders had been called, why not; and (c) if different firms had been responsible for cleaning Parlia ment House in the past, to give their names, their charges and the period for which they were responsible.
The Prime Minister: (a) The cleaning of the Parliament the House Parliament Departmental labour force with 1st effect January, 1966. is being done by from (b) No tenders have been called in view of (a).

2367 25 OCTOBER 1966 2368 (c) The firm of Chong Cleaning Service was responsible for the cleaning of the Parliament House in the past.

The period for which the above firm was responsible was from December, 1963 to December, 1965.
The charges paid were as follows— From December, to December, 1964, at $9,000 per month.

to From December, 1965, at $5,000 per month.

January, 1963 1965 Expatriate Officers in Sabah 124.

Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Prime Minister to state: (a) the number of expatriate officers in Sabah on (i) Malaysia Day, September 16, 1963 and (ii) at present; (b) how many of the posts vacated by British expatriates who have left since September 16, 1963 are filled by (i) Sabahans and (ii) Malayans.
The Prime Minister: On Malaysia Day there were a total of 246 expatriate officers the number of expatriates was as follows: in Sabah.

On 30-9-1966 State Departments Federal Departments ... 148 62 210 31 posts vacated by British expatriates have been filled by Sabahans and 5 by Malayans, including 1 on contract.

Expatriate Officers in Sarawak 125.


Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Prime Minister to state: (a) the number of expatriate officers in Sarawak on (i) Malaysia Day, September 16, 1963; and (ii) at present; (b) how many of the posts vacated by British expatriates who have left since September 16, 1963, are filled by (i) Sarawakians and (ii) Malaysians.

The Prime Minister: On Malaysia Day, there were a total of 355 expa triate officers serving in Sarawak.
On 30-9-1966, the number of expatriates was as follows: Federal Departments State Departments ... ... 137 171 308 43 Sarawakians and 4 Malayans are filling posts vacated by expatriate officers.

Salary Revision the 126.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Prime Minister the reason for the delay in implementing salary revision to the ANCILLARY CLERICAL GRADES the OPTION B.

CLERICAL and the Prime Minister OFFICERS.

aware that there was a one day picket- such unfairness on protest against 27-8-1966.
Will the Prime Minister assure this House that there will be no more delay in implementing this salary revision.

Is The Prime Minister: The revision of salary of the Clerical Services did not include the revision of salary of the to be various grades which claimed ancillary to the clerical grades.

Sub sequently claims were received for the inclusion of 36 other grades in the salary revision of the Clerical Services.
to be carefully These claims had studied and investigated and in view of the number of grades involved it has not been possible to give an early decision to these claims.

Regarding Option B Clerks, the Government has agreed to the revision of their entitled salaries but the request for a further revision of their temporary salaries had to be examined further.

I am aware that there was a one-day picket on 27-8-66.
Since, however, no decision has yet been made to these claims the question of delay in imple mentation does not arise.

Elections Commission 127.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Prime Minister for an assurance that adequate funds will be made available 2369 25 OCTOBER 1966 2370 to the Elections Commission so that they can carry out the work of getting ready the electoral rolls and the delimi tation of constituencies in Sarawak.
The Prime Minister: The necessary funds will be allocated to the Elections Commission to enable them to carry out the the work of getting ready electoral rolls and the delimitation of constituencies in Sarawak.

appropriate action is taken according to the results of the investigation.
through There are, however, complaints which the press have been aired merely for the purpose of gaining publicity in which case the complainant the Government cares little whether will or will not take action so long he is given the publicity after his own heart.

Direct Elections in Sabah 128.

Tuan C. John Ondu Majakil asks the Prime Minister whether the exact date of the coming direct elections in Sabah, in March 1967, as indicated by the Deputy Prime Minister to be a feasible period, can now be fixed.
The Prime Minister: The period of elections will commence from February, 1967, and will last till the end of April, 1967, i.e., commencing with the issue of writ of nomination to polling.

Polling will take place somewhere in April for a number of days.

The exact dates for nomination and polling will be fixed by the Election Commission at the appropriate time.

Complaints through the Press 129.


Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Prime Minister whether he is aware that complaints raised by members of the public through the press had been frequently ignored by the Minister or the Government Department concerned, and whether it is the policy of the Government to disregard public griev ances aired through the columns of the press.
The Prime Minister: I am not aware that complaints raised by members of the public through the press had been frequently ignored by the Minister or the Government Department concerned.

It is not the policy of the Govern ment to disregard public complaints or grievances aired in earnest through the press.

Public grievances brought to the attention of the Government are investigated and properly and duly Sarawakians—Registration as Citizens and Voters 130.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Prime Minister if the people of Sara wak will be given adequate time to register as citizens before they are asked to register as voters there.

If so, how long does he propose the Sarawakians who are non-citizens, but who qualify for citizenship, to register as citizens.

to give The Prime Minister: The people of Sarawak have been provided with faci lities for registration as citizens under Article 16A of the Constitution as early as July, 1964 which is more than ample time.
To date, 35,835 applications have been received out of which 35,402 have been approved.

Apparently a majority of the people who qualify for citizen ship and who are desirous of becoming citizens have applied accordingly.

No time limit has been imposed by the people of for the Government Sarawak to acquire citizenship.

Interim Award to M.I.G.

Workers interim award of $12.50 131.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Prime Minister whether he will make an to all manual and industrial group of workers by Schools Boards of employed Is Management.

special there any reason why this group of workers should be exploited because they have no union to represent them and hence cannot go on strike.
The Prime Minister: The Ministry of Education is examining the financial implication of awarding an interim increase of $12.50 per mensem to all 2371 25 OCTOBER 1966 2372 Industrial and Manual Group emplo yees and Division IV staff employed by School Boards of Management and subject to the availability of funds these employees will also be paid the interim salary increase as accorded to their counterparts in the Government service.

It is never the policy of this Government to exploit the workers.
Where there is justification for consi deration in matters connected with them either on question of pay or well- being, the Government will not fail to give due consideration.

keturunan-nya.

Oleh yang demikian jawatan yang sekarang di-pegang oleh ra'ayat Malaysia yang bukan berke turunan Melayu, mithal-nya, boleh di- pegang oleh ra'ayat berketurunan Melayu.

Malaysians detained in Singapore 134.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Prime Minister if he is aware that the following Malaysia Citizens are being detained at Changi, Singapore: Name Place of Residence Year of Detention Offices of Prime Minister and Menteri Besar 132.

Tuan Abdul Sanmd bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Per- dana Menteri ra'ayat Malaysia yang bukan berketurunan bumiputra, pada satu masa kelak, memegang jawatan Perdana Menteri dan Menteri Besar.
boleh-kah Perdana Menteri: Di-bawah Per- sa-saorang lembagaan Persekutuan, warga-negara Persekutuan, kechuali warga-negara yang menjadi warga- negara dengan jalan masokkan (naturali zation) atau daftaran (registration) boleh memegang jawatan Perdana Menteri Persekutuan.

Bagi jawatan Menteri2 Besar pula, sila-lah lihat sharat2-nya dalam Per- lembagaan2 Negeri masing2.

Non-indigenous Malaysians/Malays 133.


Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji bertanya kapada Per dana Menteri jika Kerajaan berchadang memberikan orang2 Melayu memegang jawatan yang sekarang di-pegang oleh ra'ayat Malaysia yang bukan berke turunan bumiputra.

Perdana Menteri: Perkara 8 dalam Perlembagaan Malaysia melarang mem- beza2kan antara warga-negara Malaysia oleh sebab ugama, bangsa keturunan atau tempat lahir-nya dalam membuat lantekan2 kapada jawatan2 Kerajaan.
Berasaskan ini jawatan2 Kerajaan ada- lah terbuka kapada semua warga-negara Malaysia dengan tidak mengira apa 1.

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1964 If so, has the Malaysian Government taken any steps or contemplates taking any steps the above to repatriate named.
Can the Prime Minister inform the House if there are any more Malaysians being detained in Changi, Singapore.

If so, give their names and year of detention.

The Prime Minister: I am aware that the 6 persons mentioned by the Hon'ble in Member for Batu are currently detention in Singapore.

These persons were detained for activities in support and in furtherance of the Communist United Front aims of undermining the legally constituted Governments of Singapore and of Malaysia.
There are another 28 persons claim ing to have been born in West Malaysia who are currently under detention in Singapore: 10 persons arrested in 1964.

13 persons arrested in 1965.

5 persons arrested in 1960.

The question of repatriation of persons who were detained for activities prejudicial to the security of Malaysia is under discussion with the Singapore Government.

2373 25 OCTOBER 1966 2374 MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS Malaysian Representatives/Ambassadors *135.
Tuan Mohamed Idris bin Matsil bertanya kapada Menteri Luar Negeri sama ada benar atau tidak bahawa sambutan2 yang di-beri oleh Pegawai2 M.C.S.
yang berkelayakan dan mereka yang akan bersara terhadap tawaran Kerajaan untok berkhidmat sa-bagai Wakil2 atau Duta2 Malaysia di-seberang laut, dan sahaja, dingin Pegawai2 tersebut sa-balek-nya lebeh gemar berkhidmat dalam badan2 per- usahaan dan perniagaan; jika benar, apa-kah sebab-nya demikian dan ada- ada-lah kah Kerajaan akan berikhtiar menchari satu daya penarek supaya pegawai2 tersebut menerima tawaran itu.

*136.
*136.

Tuan Mohamed Idris bin Matsil bertanya kapada Menteri Luar Negeri ada-kah benar ia-itu Kementerian-nya sedang mengalami kekurangan kaki- tangan dalam usaha-nya hendak me- menohi jawatan2 kosong di-Kedutaan2- nya, mithal-nya di-Rome, dan jika benar, ada-kah Kementerian itu ber- chadang melateh ahli2 politik di-dalam negeri ini saperti Ahli2 Parlimen dan Ahli Dewan Negeri menjadi Duta, sa-lain daripada pegawai2 Kementerian, yang maseh kurang bilangan-nya dan pegawai2 M.C.S.

yang akan bersara.
yang akan bersara.

* Replies to these questions will be given separately.