Source document: https://docs-lawep.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1698751455269.pdf (Malaysia)
Volume II No.

12 Monday 28th March, 1966 PA RLI AMENTA RY D E B ATES DEWAN NEGARA (SENATE) OFFICIAL REPORT CONTENTS ADMINISTRATION OF OATH (Tuan Wan The Workers (Minimum Standard of Housing) Sulaiman bin Wan Tam) [Col. 13811 Bill [Col. 14601 ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE PRESIDENT: Administration of Oath under Standing Order 4 (3) (Tuan Hong Kim Sui) [Col. 13811 Leave to Senator-Dato' Ong Yoke Lin, P.M.N.
[Col. 13821 Message from the House of Representatives [Col. 1382] BUSINESS OF THE SENATE [ Col. 13841 ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [ Col. 13851 The Internal Security (Amendment ) Bill [Col.
The Registration of Guests (Amendment) Bill The Minor Offences (Amendment) Bill [Col. BILLS: [Col. 1395] 1391] 1403] [Col. 1403] The Common Gaming Houses (Amendment) Bil[ [Col. 14041 The Civil Law (Amendment) Bill [Col. 14061 The Preservation of Books Bill [Col. 14101 The Family Planning Bill [Col. 14141 The Children and Young Persons (Employment) Bill [Col. 1461] The Supplementary Supply ( 1965) (No.
3) Bill [Col. 1465] [Col. 1513] [Col. 151.8] The Judges ' Remuneration (Amendment) Bill The Education (Amendment) Bill [Col. 1515] The Medical Registration (Amendment) Bill The Companies (Amendment ) Bill [Col. 1520] The Federation of Malaya Rubber Exchange (Incorporation) ( Amendment) Bill [Col. 15221 The Rubber Export Registration Bill [Col. 1525] The Housing Developers (Control and Licensing) Bill [Col. 1527] The National Land Rehabilitation and Consoli- dation Authority (Amendment ) Bill [Col. EXEMPTED BUSINESS (Motion) [ Col. 1442] ADJOURNMENT SINE DIE (Motion) [Col. ORDER OF BUSINESS ( Motion) [ Col. 1521] 1443] 1543] The Diplomatic Privileges (Vienna Convention) WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. Bill [Col. 14561 The Cinematograph Films (Amendment) Bill 1540] DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG , A.M.N., PENCHETAK KERAJAAN KUALA LUMPUR 1967 DEWAN NEGARA (SENATE) MALAYSIA Officia l R eport Vol.
II Second Session of the Second Dewan Negara No.

12 Monday, 28th March, 1966 The Senate met at Ten o'clock a.m.

PRESENT : The Honourable Mr President , DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN BIN MOHAMED YASIN , S.P.M.J ., P.I.S., J. P. (Johore).

TUAN A. ARUNASALAM, A.M.N.

(Appointed).

„ TURN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN AHMAD (Perlis).

TURN ABDUL SAMAD BIN OSMAN, P.J.K.

(Appointed).

„ TURN HAJI AHMAD BIN HAJI ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Penang).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN HAJI ABDUL MANAP, P.P.N.

(Melaka).
(Melaka).

„ PUAN AISHAH BINTI HAJI ABDUL GHANI (Appointed).

„ PUAN BIBI AISHA BINTI HAMID DON, A.M.N.

(Appointed).

TUAN AMALUDDIN BIN DARUS (Kelantan).

„ DATU JOSEPH AUGUSTINE ANGIAN ANDULAG, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

TUAN AWANG DAUD MATUSIN (Appointed).

„ DATU TUANKU BUJANG BIN TUANKU HAJI OTHMAN (Sarawak).

„ TUAN CHAN KEONG HON (Appointed).

TUAN CHAN KWONG-HON, J.M.N., S.M.N., J.P. (Selangor).

„ DATO' DR CHEAH TOON LOK, D.P.M.K., D.M.K., J.M.N., J.P. (Appointed).

Indera (Appointed).
Indera (Appointed).

DATO' J. E. S. CRAWFORD, D.P.M.P., J.M.N., J.P., Dato' Kurnia „ TUAN D. S. DORAI RAJ, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Appointed).

„ DATO' FOO SEE Moi, D.P.M.K., J.P. (Appointed).

TUAN GAN TECK MEOW, J.M.N.

(Appointed).

„ TUAN GOH CHEK KIN, P.J.K.

(Trengganu).

„ TUAN HOH CHEE CHEONG, A.M.N, J.P. (Pahang).

TUAN HONG KIM Sui (Appointed).

TUAN C. D. ISMAIL, J.M.N., J.P. (Appointed).

TUAN ANDREW JIKA LANDAU (Appointed).

TUAN KOH KIM LENG (Melaka).


„ DATO' LEE FOONG YEE, J.M.N., P.P.T., J.P. (Negri Sembilan).

DATO' Y. T. LEE, D.P.M.S., J.M.N., P.J.K., J.P. (Appointed).

1379 28 MARCH 1965 1384 The Honourable TUAN LIM HEE HONG, J.M.N., J.P. (Appointed).

„ TUAN LIM JOo KONG, J.P. (Kedah).

„ TUAN MOHAMED ADIB BIN OMAR, P.J.K.

(Trengganu).

„ DATU PENGIRAN MOHAMED DIGADONG GALPAM, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

„ DATO' HAJI MOHAMED NOAH BIN OMAR, P.M.N., S.P.M.J., D.P.M.B., P.I.s., J.P. (Appointed).
TUAN HAJI MOHAMED SAAID BIN HAJI ABU BAKAR (Appointed).

DATO' ATHI NAHAPPAN, D.P.M.S .

(Appointed).

TUAN S. P. S. NATHAN (Appointed).

„ NIK HASSAN BIN HAJI NIK YAHYA, J.M.N.

(Appointed).

TEMENGGONG OYONG LAWAI JAU (Sarawak).

TOK PANGKU PANDAK HAMID BIN PUTEH JALI, P.J.K.

(Appointed).

TUAN SAIDON BIN KECHUT, A.M.N.

(Appointed).

DATO' SHEIKH ABU BAKAR BIN YAHYA AL-HAJ, D.P.M.J., P.I.S., J.P. (Johore).

„ DATO' G. SHELLEY, P.M.N., J.P. (Appointed).

„ TUAN SPED DARUS BIN SYED HASHIM (Perlis).


TUAN WILLIAM TAN (Appointed).

DATO' T. H. TAN, P.M.N.

(Appointed.

DATO' TEH SIEW ENG, D.P.M.P., J.M.N., P.J.K., J.P. (Appointed).

DATO' E. E. C. THURAISINGHAM, D.P.M.J., J.P. (Appointed).

TUAN S. O. K. UBAIDULLA, J.M.N.

(Appointed).

DATO' WAN IBRAHIM BIN WAN TANJONG, J.M.N., P.J.K., Orang Kaya Indera Maharaja Purba Jelai (Pahang).

WAN MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI WAN ALT, S.M.K.

(Kelantan).

„ TUAN YAHYA BIN AHMAD, P.J.K.

(Negri Sembilan).


TUAN YAHYA BIN HAJI AHMAD (Perak).

„ TUAN YEOH KIAN TEIK (Perak).

The Honourable the Minister without Portfolio, DATO' ONG YOKE LIN, P.M.N.

ABSENT : (Appointed).

„ TUAN CHEAH SENG KHIM, J.P. (Penang).

„ RAJA RASTAM SHAHROME BIN RAJA SAID TAUPHY (Selangor).

TUAN SYED AHMAD BIN SYED MAHMUD SHAHABUDIN, J.M.N., S.M.K., J.P. (Kedah).

IN ATTENDANCE : The Honourable the Minister of Transport, DATO' HAJI SARDON BIN HMI JUBIR, P.M.N.

(Pontian Utara).
(Pontian Utara).

„ the Minister of Education , TUAN MOHAMED KHIR JOHARI (Kedah Tengah).

1381 28 MARCH 1966 1382 The Honourable the Minister of Health, TUAN BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah).

(Batang Padang).

YA`KUB (Sarawak).

(Telok Anson).


the Minister for Welfare Services, TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT ALT KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. the Minister of Lands and Mines, TUAN ABDUL-RAHMAN BIN the Assistant Minister of Finance, DR NG KAM POH, J.P. PRAYERS (Mr President in the Chair) ADMINISTRATION OF OATH The following Senator made and sub- scribed the Affirmation required by Law : Tuan Wan Sulaiman bin Wan Tam.

THE HONOURABLE DATO' ONG YOKE LIN, P.M.N.


LEAVE Mr President : Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, saya suka hendak mema`alumkan ka- pada.

Dewan Negara is-itu menurut kuasa yang di-beri kapada soya, saya telah membenarkan Yang Berhormat Dato' Ong Yoke Lin, atas permintaan- nya sendiri, berchuti dengan rasmi-nya daripada menghadhiri meshuarat De- wan Negara daripada 9 haribulan April, 1966 hingga 7 haribulan August, ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE PRESIDENT 1966.
ADMINISTRATION OF OATH UNDER STANDING ORDER 4 (3) Mr President : Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, saga ingin menyatakan kapada Dewan ini bahawa Yang Berhormat Tuan Hong Kim Sui telah mengangkat sum- pah menjadi Ahli Dewan Negara di- hadapan saya pada hari Thalatha, 17 haribulan Mach; 1966, menurut kehendak Peratoran Majlis Dewan Negara 4, bahagian (3), is-i.tu pada bila2 masa Majlis Meshuarat dalam tanggohan Ahli itu boleh-lah meng- angkat sumpah di-hadapan Yang di- Pertua; jika demikian Yang di-Pertua hendak-lah memberi tahu Majlis Me- shuarat pada meshuarat akan datang Honourable Senators, I wish to in- form the Senate that in accordance with the authority delegated to me, I have granted the Honourable Dato' Ong Yoke Lin, upon his application, formal leave of absence from meetings of the Senate from 8th April, 1966 to 7th October, 1966.
MESSAGE FROM THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Mr President : Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, saya hendak menyatakan kapada Do- wan ini bahawa sa.ya telah menerima satu perutusan daripada Dewan mengatakan Ahli itu telah mengangkat Ra`ayat.

Sekarang saya jemput Setia- sumpah di-hadapan-nya.
usaha Dewan Negara membachakan perutusan itu, Honourable Senators, I wish to inform the Senate that the Honourable Tuan Hong, Kim Sui has taken the Oath as a Senator before me in accordance with the provisions of Dewan Negara Standing Order 4 (3) which provides : A Senator may at any time when the Senate stands adjourned, take and subscribe the said Oath before the President; and in any such case the President shall report to the Senate at its next sitting that the Senator has so taken and subscribed the said Oath before him.
(Whereupon, the Clerk reads the following message) "Mr President, The House of Representatives has passed the following Bills : (1) to' make provision relating to the preservation of books and to provide for matters connected therewith; 1383 28 MARCH 1966 1384 (7) to amend the Civil Law (20) to amend the Internal Secu- (2) to amend the law on diplo- matic privileges and immuni- ties by giving effect to the Vienna Convention on Diplo- matic Relations (signed in 1961 ) and for other matters connected therewith; (3) to amend the Registration of Guests Act, 1965; (4) to amend the Minor Offences Ordinance, 1955; (5) to amend the Cinema- tograph Films Ordinance, 1952; (6) to amend the laws relating to common gaming of the States of Malaya, Sabah and Sarawak; Ordinance , 1956, and to re- peal certain written laws relating to apportionment and assignment; (8) to apply sums out of the Consolidated Fund for addi- tional expenditure for the service of the year 1965 and to appropriate such sums for certain purposes; (9) to amend section 4 of the (Amendment) Education Act, 1963; Act, 1965; (12) to amend the Federation of Malaya Rubber Exchange (Incorporation) Act, 1962; (13) to provide for the registra- tion of rubber exported from the States of Malaya and for matters incidental thereto; and licensing of the business of housing developments in the Federation and for mat- ters connected therewith; (15) to prescribe minimum stan- dards of housing for workers, to require employers to pro- vide nurseries and to allot land for workers and their dependents in a place of employment , and to provide for matters incidental there- (16) to regulate the employment of children and young per- (17) to amend the National Land Rehabilitation and Con- solidation.
Authority Act, to sons; 1966; (18) to amend the Judges' Re- muneration Act, 1963; (19) to establish and incorporate the National Family Plan- ning Board and to provide for matters incidental there- to; rity Act, 1960; and transmits them to the Senate for its concurrence.

(Sgd.)

C. M. YUSUF, Speaker" BUSINESS OF THE SENATE Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to give notice that I will move the second and third readings of the following Bills at this meeting of the 1.
The Internal Security (Amend- ment) Bill.

2.

The Registration of Guests (Amendment) Bill.

3.

The Minor Offences (Amend- ment) Bill.

4.

The Cinematograph Films (Amendment) Bill.

5.

The Common Gaming Houses 6.

The Civil Law (Amendment) Bill.

7.

The Preservation of Books Bill.

8.

The Family Planning Bill.

9.

The Diplomatic Privileges (Vien- na Convention) Bill.

10.

The Workers (Minimum Stan- dard of Housing) Bill.


(10) to amend the Medical Re- gistration Ordinance, 1952; Senate : (11) to amend the Companies (14) to provide for the control (Amendment) Bill.

1385 28 MARCH 1966 1386 11.

The Children and Young Persons (Employment) Bill.

12.

The Supplementary Supply (1965) (No.

3) Bill.

13.

The Judges' Remuneration (Amendment) Bill.

14.

The Education (Amendment) Force.


are serving on short-term contracts and another is on temporary loan from the States of Malaya.

In addition to these twenty-five, seven British Army officers are seconded to the Sarawak Constabu- lary for para-military duties with the Border Scouts and the Police Field 15.

The Medical Registration (Amendment) Bill.

16.

The Companies (Amendment) contract?


Enche' Andrew Jika Landau: Are these twenty-five expatriate officers all permanent; and if not, how many are permanent and how many are an Bill.

Bill.

Bill.

17.

The Rubber Export Registration 18.

The Federation of Malaya Rub- ber Exchange (Incorporation) (Amendment) Bill.

tract.

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Mr President, Sir, eight of the officers I have just mentioned are on perma- nent and pensionable establishment.
1 think sixteen are an short-term con- Dato' Haji Mohamed Noah bin Omar: Soalan tambahan, saya hendak bertanya ada-kah benar atau pun tidak ra`ayat Sarawak atau Kera jaan Sara- wak lebeh suka mengekalkan pegawai2 dagang daripada bangsa British dalam jawatan-nya daripada menerima pega- wai2 polis daripada Malaya?
Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bagi ra`ayat Sarawak kita perch aya mereka lebeh suka orang Malaysia sendiri daripada pegawai2 yang berwarga negara bukan Malaysia sama ada British atau pun bukan British.

Kerajaan negeri Sara- wak ada-lah terikat oleh Perjanjian yang sama2 kita ketahui di-gelar Inter- Governmental Committee Report.
Sa- benar-nya dalam masaalah ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pegawai2 tempatan dalam pendapat Kerajaan tidak men- chukupi dan oleh kerana itu-lah pegawai2 dagang ini telah di-ambil dan maseh lagi di-benarkan terus bekerja.

Menurut Perjanjian Inter-Governmental Committee Report, beberapa orrang pegawai2 dagang ini di-benarkan be- kerj a meneruskan pekerj aan mereka sa-hingga, kalau saya tidak salah, tahun 1967 tetapi ada juga yang lain telah berhenti terlebeh awal daripada tarikh tersebut.

19.
19.

The Housing Developers (Con- trol and Licensing) Bill.

20.

The National Land Rehabilita- tion and Consolidation Authority (Amendment) Bill.

Mr President : So be it.

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS ROYAL MALAYSIAN POLICE Number of Expatriate Officers Holding Rank of Assistant Superintendents and above in Sarawak 1.
Enche' Andrew Jika Landau (Sara- wak) asks the Minister of Home Affairs to state the number of Expatriate Officers holding the appointments of Assistant Superintendent, Deputy Superintendent, Superintendent and above, in the Royal Malaysian Police, in Sarawak.
The Minister of Lands and Mines (Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub): Mr President, Sir, expatriate officers at present serving with the Sarawak Con- stabulary are as follows : One Com- missioner, one Deputy Commissioner, two Assistant Commissioners, five Superintendents, fifteen Deputy Super- intendents and one Assistant Superin- tendent.
Twenty-four of these officers reported that some of the expatriate Dato' Athi Nahappan : It has been 1387 28 MARCH 1966 1388 officers in Sarawak are being very Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: supercilious and are being very bossy I am told that one of the permanent in their administrative attitude.
Will officers, namely Mr Frith, the Deputy the Minister state what the Government Superintendent, who is the Director intends doing about this, and will the of Music of the Sarawak Constabulary, Minister give an assurance that suitable is due to retire this year.

He will be measures will be taken to strip this replaced temporarily by a fully-quali- kind of undesirable attitude on the part fled Malayan officer from the States of of the expatriate officers?
Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: That question relates to expatriate officers as a whole in Sarawak.

The original question here relates to police officers.
The Honourable Senator must have seen in the papers this morning a report purported to have been made by the Honourable the Minister for Sarawak Affairs to the same effect and Malaya until such time as an officer from the band of the Sarawak Consta- bulary successfully completes a three- year course at the Royal Military School of Music and thus qualifies himself to take over the band.
With regard to the seven remaining officers, they are all, what is called, under the Inter-Governmental Commit- tee "entitled officers".

This is under the also a report in the Suara Merdeka scheme of retirement benefits for mem- purported to have been made by the bers of Her Majesty's Overseas Civil Honourable Tun Haji Abdul Razak, the Deputy Prime Minister, that he would go to Sarawak and look into this complaint.
Enche' Andrew Jika Landau: How many contract officers were engaged before and after Malaysia?

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Mr President, Sir, five contract officers were appointed before Malaysia Day.

They are us follows : One Assistant V Commissioner on contract, two Sup^rintendants on contract and two Deputy Superintendents on contract.

Those appointed after Malaysia Day number eleven.

All of them hold the ranks of Deputy Superintendents.
Enche' Saidon bin Kechut: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pertanyaan tambahan.

Ada-kah benar atau pun tidak pegawai2 dagang British yang ada di-Sarawak itu berlagak sa-bagai Tuan Besar, sa-olah2 dia maseh menjajah Sarawak?

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya telah men- j awab soalan itu.

Enche' Andrew Jika Landau: When will the contract officers' terms expire and for how long more the permanent officers will remain in Sarawak?
Service and also for officers designated under the Overseas Service (North Borneo and Sarawak) Agreement, 1961.

Now, all these are set forth on pages 53 to 70 of the Inter-Governmental Committee Report of 1962.

Under paragraph 3 of that scheme, the officers concerned were offered continued employment for a minimum period of four years from Malaysia Day, namely up to 1967.

This minimum period may be extended, as provided in paragraph 3 of the scheme.
The officers them- selves may, of course, retire at any time after giving six months notice as pro- vided in paragraph 10 of the scheme.

As previously mentioned, the officers named are all Sarawak State officers on secondment to the Federal Service.

As regards the contract officers, they are all on short-term contracts from twenty-four months to about thirty-six months.

One of them, that is to say Mr A. T. D. Prince, is leaving the service in May 1966 on completion of his contract.
He is being replaced by a Malayan officer from the States of Malaya.

As regards the remaining fifteen contract officers, their current contracts are for one tour of duty only with provision for renewal by mutual agreement.

Each tour approximately, as I said just now, would be twenty- four to thirty months depending on age.

1389 28 MARCH 1966 1390 The current contracts are all due to expire between now and the end of 1967, but, as previously stated , there is provision for renewal if required.
I would like to mention here also, Mr President, Sir, paragraph 17 of Annex B of the Malaysia Report of the Inter- Governmental Committee, 1962.

This provides for the employment of expatriate officers on contract in the Borneo States to fill gaps in the Services while Borneanisation proceeds; such officers are recruited under the Over- seas Service Aid Scheme.
Dato' Haji Mohamed Noah bin Omar: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak tahu bagaimana Menteri boleh men- jawab soalan tambahan bagitu panjang dengan tidak bertulis sa-kali?

(Ketawa).

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Mr President, Sir, I anticipated all these questions would come.

Not only under this Ministry, but even under my own Ministry.

I always prepare and try to anticipate what Honourable Members are going to ask as supplementary questions.

(Applause).
(Applause).

Enche' Andrew Jika Landau: Is it not true that one of the Assistant Commissioners who was engaged on contract before Malaysia held the rank of Superintendent before Malaysia and that after Malaysia he was promoted to the rank of Assistant Commissioner?

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Mr President, Sir, I was so advised.

Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Mr President, Sir, just now the Minister said that they would be retired on reaching certain ages.
I would like to know what the ages of retirement for these officers are; secondly, what services they have done; and thirdly, will they be fairly treated on retire- ment?

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Very likely question, Mr President, Sir.

As regards the ages the ages are flexible.

I cannot give you the details with respect to that in that respect I fail in my duty.
As regards the services that they have done, Sir, I have already mentioned that they are Deputy Superintendents and also Superin- tendents.

Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Will they be fairly treated an retirement?

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Treated by the Government?

Oh, yes, the Malaysian Government is very famous for treating their officers very favourably (Applause).

Local Officers-Suitability to Hold High Ranks 2.


Enche' Andrew Jika Landau asks the Minister of Home Affairs to state in view of the increase of expatriate officers in the rank of Assistant Superintendent, Deputy Superintendent, Superintendent and above, in the Royal Malaysian Police in Sarawak, whether Government considers that local officers, particularly in Sarawak, are unsuitable to hold these posts.
Enche' Abdul -Rahman bin Ya`kub: Mr President, Sir, from Malaysia Day to date, eight inspectors of the Sarawak Constabulary have been promoted substantively to the rank of Assistant Superintendents and thirteen more have been promoted in an acting capacity.

Appointment of Police Inspectors of Ten Years' Service to Higher Ranks 3.
Enche' Andrew Jika Landau asks the Minister of Home Affairs whether Government would consider appointing local officers who have served as Police Inspectors for ten years to be appointed to higher appointments.

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Mr President, Sir, it is not necessary for an inspector to have ten years' service before becoming eligible for consideration for promotion to Assis- tant Superintendent.
All suitable ins- pectors will be considered for promo- tion to vacancies in higher ranks as soon as they qualify themselves by passing the prescribed examinations..

The appointing and promotion autho- rity under Article 140 of the Malaysian.

Constitution is the Police Force Com- mission.

1391 28 MARCH 1966 1392 BILLS THE INTERNAL SECURITY (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that the Internal Security (Amendment) Bill be read a second time.
Dato' Y. T. Lee: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya menyokong.

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Mr President, Sir, this Bill seeks to amend the provisions of Sections 41c, 59 and 60 of the Internal Security Act, 1960.

The Internal Security (Amend- ment) Act, 1964, requires any student seeking admission to any of the speci- fied institutions of higher learning to apply for a certificate of suitability before he can be considered for admis- sion.
This Act contains no provision exempting any of the three categories of persons mentioned in Clause 2 (a) of the Bill before the Senate, from obtaining a certificate of suitability.
At present, therefore, members of the teaching staff, who intend to do post graduate studies and students proposing to attend extra-mural classes organised by the institutions of higher learning have to obtain a certificate of suit- ability, if the regulations of the institu- tions provide that they have to be registered or enrolled for attending the post graduate course, or any course of study at the specified institutions.
It is considered desirable that members of the teaching staff proposing to do post graduate studies in prescribed institutions of higher learning and students proposing to attend extra- mural classes, which do not lead to qualifications of any kind but which are normally held outside the normal teaching hours of the institution for the benefit of the general public, should be exempted from the provisions of this Act.
The amendment to Section 41c seeks to exempt members of the teaching staff of the institutions of higher learning, who intend to do post graduate work and persons who intend to attend extra-mural classes organised by such institutions or such other persons as may be exempted by the Minister from obtaining a certificate of suitability as required by Section 4l c of the Act.
A new sub-section (6) is added to Section 4lc in order to make it clear that a student whose studies have been interrupted for a year on disciplinary or other grounds must obtain a certificate of suitability before he can resume his studies.
Mr President, Sir, amendments to Section 59 are required in order to restrict the punishment of life imprison- ment for conviction under this Section to cases where the supply in respect of which a person is convicted does not consist of fire-arms, ammunitions and explosives, so that if it does so consist, the punishment should be death.
The provisos to Section 59, sub-section (3) and also Section 60 also require amend- ments, so that immunity from convic- tion under these two sections should be restricted only to cases where a person has made a voluntary statement to the police officer prior to his arrest.

Thus immunity from conviction will not be available if the statement was made after his arrest, though it was made prior to his being charged or accused of an offence.
Amendments to Sections 59 and 60 of the Internal Security Act, 1960, arose from two appeals decided by the Federal Court.

In these two appeals, two persons were convicted of having fire-arms, ammuni- tions and explosives under their control contrary to Section 57 (1) sub-section (1), paragraphs (a) and (b) of the Internal Security Act and, as such, were sentenced to death by the Trial Court sitting at Johore Bharu.
Accept- ing the contention of the Counsel for the appellants, the Federal Court substituted this conviction with convic- tions under sub-section (1) of Section 59 of the Act, for receiving supplies, which expression according to the definition contained in Section 2 includes ammunitions, explosives, fire- arms and other articles.

As a result, both the appellants escaped death penalty and were therefore sentenced to life imprisonment in accordance with Section 59, sub-section (1).
It is, there- fore, considered desirable that punish- ment for persons convicted under 1393 28 MARCH 1966 1394 Section 59 should be death penalty in ment of the day, though the power is cases where the supplies in respect of retained to meet any emergency situa- which he is convicted consist of fire- tion; and in so far as the Government arms, ammunitions or explosives, so that life imprisonment should only be restricted to cases where the supplies concerned are not fire-arms, ammuni- here is concerned, I understand and I am subject to correction that no person has been subjected to this suitability test in an unfavourable tions or explosives.
manner.

The provisos to Sections 59, sub- section (3) and 60, as they stand now, have also given rise to some difficulties because as the law stands at the moment a person who has given volun- tary statement to the police before he is charged with or accused of an offence under Sections 59 and 60 cannot be convicted.

Thus, if a person makes a statement after his arrest but prior to his being charged, he cannot be con- victed of the offence.
It is felt that the provisos to Section 59, sub-section (3) and Section 60 should be amended so that a person can escape convictions only if he gives a statement before his arrest, so that if a statement is made after his arrest, though before he was charged, he can still be convicted.

Dato' Athi Nahappan: Mr President, Sir, I rise to welcome this Bill, which I guess has been introduced in the light of experience gained.
I limit my com- ment to the amendment relating to the suitability test for admission of students to the institutions of higher learning.
This is, unfortunately, a gap in the parent Ordinance itself in not providing a definition of the word "student", and as a result this amend- ment presumably has been introduced; though under Section 41c of the parent Ordinance it has been stated that "any person who wants to seek admission in a higher institution ... ", it is now made clear that it should extend to members of the teaching staff of such Now, Sir, it was mentioned that nowhere in the world such a test is required; and as we have here a democratic system and we pay great regard to the concept of fundamental liberties, why should we have this?
In so far as the Constitution is con- cerned, under Article 12, it makes it quite categorical that there should be no discrimination in regard to educa- tion on the grounds of any religion, race, descent or place of birth in the administration of educational institu- tions or in the admission of pupils or students or the payment of fees.

Now, this particular provision is not any- where in contradiction with the provi- sion of Article 12.
This is not introduced on the grounds of religion, race, descent or place of birth.

It is primarily intended against those ele- ments, and I quote Section 41c, sub-section (2), " ... if admitted to the institution in question would be likely to promote or otherwise participate in action prejudicial to the interests or security of the Federation or any part thereof."
So, he can come, of course, from any racial background, from any linguistic background; and it does not matter about his background, but if his conduct is prejudicial to the security and the interests of the country, then he should not take advantage of the opportunity granted through the institu- tions of higher learning.

In fact, all our institutions of higher learning are being helped with taxpayers' money, institution, who are already there and including the University.
Now, the tax- persons not being students already admitted who propose to attend extra- mural classes.

We have heard once again serious attacks against this principle as being an undesirable inroad into the concept of full liberty in seeking higher education.
It has payers in the elections under the demo- cratic system, have shown in no uncertain terms that they prefer this system, and if their money is used in an institution, naturally the taxpayers have the right to expect that those who take advantage of the education been argued in the past for and against, offered in higher institutions should not but it has been proved to be a Bill be abused by elements who would try after all not abused by the Govern- to undermine the very system.
I think- 28 MARCH 1966 1396 that is the logical reasoning behind this, Registration of Guests Act, 1965.

This and the taxpayers are perfectly entitled Act came into force on the 1st of 1395 to it.

The only concern was whether this power, which can be a dangerous weapon, would be abused but, as I said, and as has been mentioned on behalf of the Government and the Ministers concerned, it has been very, very carefully exercised and there has been no abuse at all.
This is again a clear indication that in running a democratic Government, a Government has got to be vigilant.

Freedom often mismanages itself; it does not have the ability to protect itself; and, there- fore, it is necessary to have such legis- lations and to use them whenever situation dictates.

It is no use trying to be wiser after the event and, I think, on the whole this has proved to be a success and any reasonable person should welcome it.

Thank you very much.

Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 4 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.

October, 1965.
October, 1965.

Since the passing of the Registration of Guests Act, it has been found that sub-section (3) of section 3 of that Act is of a restrictive nature and is not conducive to speedy Police investigations.

It imposes a con- dition that a register kept by a hotel or lodging house owner may be examined by such an officer only at reasonable hours of the day.

This, it is con- sidered, may give rise to arguments when speed may be the decisive factor in obtaining the information that is being sought.
With a view to over- coming this difficulty so that the aims of justice are not.

frustrated, it is felt that a Police officer in the performance of his duties under this Act should be empowered to have access to such register at all times and Clause 2 (a), therefore, seeks to remedy this defect.
Honourable Senators will note that apart from a Police officer, a Regis- tration Officer, or a person duly authorised by the latter does not enjoy this right, and he continues to exercise his functions for the examination of hotel or lodging house register as provided in the old legislation.
The Explanatory Statement also gives detailed explanation as to the necessity of adding Clauses 2 (b), (c) and (d) to the main Act and I, there- fore, do not propose to enlarge upon what has been already stated therein.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the THE REGISTRATION OF GUESTS whole House.

(AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.
Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Registration of Guests Act, 1965," be now read a second time.

the motion.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Mr President, Sir, the object of this Bill is to amend section 3, sub- section (3) and also section 4 of the Bill considered in Committee.
(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 and 2- Data' Athi Nahappan: Mr Chairman, Sir, will the Minister state -I am afraid I do not have the Principal Ordinance with me whether the defi- nition of a "Police officer" is mentioned in that Ordinance, or whether it is limited to an officer of a certain rank and above that officer, because the 28 MARCH 1966 1398 1397 Police?
person concerned naturally should know to whom he is responsible to any officer who comes from the Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Which clause?

Dato' Athi Nahappan: Clause 2 (b) says, "(3A)" "Any police officer ... ".

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Mr Chairman, Sir, the Principal Act does not define the expression "Police officer".

Data' Athi Nahappan : Mr Chairman, Sir, does it mean then that "any Police officer" means a sergeant, a corporal, an Inspector, a sub-Inspector, or any- body-is it?
Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: I think that is the correct interpreta- tion.

Dato' Athi Nahappan : What about an ordinary constable?

Is he to be treated as an officer, because in some countries he is called an "officer"?

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: I may be wrong in this respect, but I am inclined to think that it is so that seems to be the usual meaning of this.
The reason behind that is this : if we are to confine the powers to Police officers above a certain rank, it may defeat this question of speedy action which is very necessary in these sort of cases.

In another Bill, something is also mentioned in connection with ranks of Police officers -I think it is under the Minor Offences Ordinance.

There it is restricted to a Police sergeant.


But I think in this respect -I may be wrong; I stand to be corrected, Mr Chairman, Sir, the expression "Police officer" may be wide enough to include a constable.

Enche' Abdul Samad bin Osman: If this Clause means any Police officer from constable then, I am afraid it may be open to abuse.

Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Mr Chairman, Sir, I agree entirely with my learned colleague, Dato' Athi Nahap- pan, regarding Police officers in this Enactment.
Normally, the names of these officers are gazetted in the Gazette saying that they have powers over this and that; and I think this Enactment lacks a certain phraseo- logy-that is to say gazetted officers are entitled to do this and to do that.

So, I would like to suggest to the Minister concerned that the words "gazetted officer" be inserted in this Enactment that is to say that gazetted officers are for certain purposes in this Enactment.
Dato' J. E. S. Crawford: Mr Chair- man, Sir, I think there is some mis- understanding.

I do not think the Bill intends it to be anyone except some- body in the Police Force.

If it be so, even if nobody is gazetted, it would mean anyone in the Police Force, or Registration Officers.

I think that is what Government intends.


Enche' Lim Here Hong : Mr Chair- man, Sir, I would like to mention, from past experience, that inspections of this nature are usually carried out by an officer not below the rank of Inspector.

That is my personal experience, Sir.


Dato' Athi Nahappan : Mr Chairman, Sir, will the Honourable Minister give us an assurance to make it clear that there will be a Gazette Notification as to what it is meant by a "Police officer" and such officers only should be allowed to have this inspection.
We, of course, hope that it will not be abused, but in a matter like this it is always desirable that an officer of some standing and some qualification is clothed with this power rather than to allow every member of the rank and file to exercise this because that might give room for abuse, and it is a genuine fear which I am sure the Minister will Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Sir, it can be abused whether he is a Police Inspector, or a police constable; appreciate.
it does not mean that a police constable Mr Chairman, Sir, as one can see, this will necessarily abuse his powers Act applies throughout Malaysia; it is whereas a Police Inspector will not not just confined to the States of abuse his powers.

Malaya, and that means it includes the Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: 1399 28 MARCH 1966 1400 States of Sarawak and Sabah.

If one goes to Kapit, or right into the interior where there are places with guest houses, and so on, one cannot find a gazetted officer.
That means, before one can take action one has to go to the headquarters of the district and that may take two weeks that will make a laughing stock of the whole legislation.

It is for that reason, I think, that this legislation has used the expression "any Police officer" without defining it to confine it to gazetted Police officers.

We have just heard this morning questions about how many expatriate officers in Sarawak.
If we are going to carry out this law, giving the powers only to gazetted officers, we will have to recruit hundreds and hundreds more expatriate officers from overseas.
I do not think there should be any undue fear about this; generally, in the big towns, there will be Police Inspectors and there will be gazetted officers, and as one of the Honourable Senators has just mentioned, in almost all the cases where a Police officer is required to exercise his powers under an Act such as this, at least a Police Inspector will go together with other constables.

Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Mr Chairman, Sir, I believe the Honour- able Minister is mistaken about what I stated just now.
I stated that a person gazetted for these powers not a gazetted officer, but a person gazetted for these purposes.

You should put down the name because there are cases I know where the criminal has run off because the lawyer was clever enough to find that the name was wrongly spelt and, therefore, the officer had no power to act under the Enactment.

So, I suggest that the name should be gazetted, not gazetted officer, but the name of the officer involved should be gazetted to perform this function.
Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: It is not usual for powers of this nature to be conferred on persons by name it must be by office.

If we resort to the suggestions made by the Honourable Senators just now, it may involve, especially in remote areas, gazetting these various names every two years, or one year, every time a Police officer is transferred from one place to another, ft does happen that a Police officer stays in one station and he is in charge of one station only for one year or two years.
So, if he leaves that area and someone else comes in, we have got to gazette him.

Sometimes if we, because of an oversight, failed to gazette him, it would mean that he has got no power at all under the law.

I do not see that there should be any undue fear about this.

As I have said just now, Police officers as usual have been carrying out their duties satis- factorily in our country.

In any event, I will convey the views expressed by the various Honourable Members here to the substantive Minister.
Wan Mustapha bin Haji Van Ali: Mr Chairman, Sir, I think I quite agree with the Honourable Minister in that it is not necessary that any Police officer must be gazetted before he can be authorised to act under this Bill, because I quite understand that some- times a Police officer in a certain district is transferred within seconds, I should say, and then it will take some time to gazette his successor.

As a result of that, if every officer must be gazetted, then of course there will not be any work done.
But what worries me is the definition of the words, "any Police officer", because I must admit that I have not read the Registration of Guests Act, 1965, itself to see what the definition of "Police officer" is in there.

However, what worries me is that sometimes, even in the Penal Code in my experience, "any Police officer" sometimes can mean "any", not neces- sarily any Inspector, but even a sergeant is classified as a Police officer, and probably even a constable.
So, in this case, if any Police officer includes any constable, then I think, because of his low rank, with due respect to the rank and file, he might abuse such powers; and I think any Police officer here should be confined to an officer not below the rank of Inspector.

As I have said, I have not seen the current Act itself, but I do hope the Honourable Minister will take up the matter.
Enche' Yeoh Kian Teik : Mr Chair- man, Sir, it is very easy to allege that 1401 28 MARCH 1966 1402 any powers given to any Police officer are abused, but what are the powers given to the Police officers under this Member could not understand what I was driving at, I have to say it although I do not like saying it.

For Bill?

It is merely to inspect the register, instance, this Police constable will go that is to take extracts from the register.
there every now and then with the I would like to know from Honourable Members how this power could be abused.

Wan Mustapha bin Haji Wan Ali: Mr Chairman, Sir, when there is dis- cretion, the powers are always arbi- trary.

I can give a very, very simple example and no doubt in this parti- cular case the duty is only to inspect the register of how it can be abused.

Take, for instance, a Police sergeant.


Well, tonight he will go to this place and inspect the register and, probably, two hours later he goes in and inspect the register without any cause, and the following day he goes again, just be- cause he is pinning that man down.

He has no power to act, but look at the inconvenience caused.

I mean, he can go there every night.


But a respon- sible officer, an officer not below the rank of an Inspector, I should say rather educated and well-trained pro- bably will not abuse his powers.

When I say "abuse", I use it in the sense that he can go and make a nuisance of it.
Enche' Yeoh Kian Teik : Mr Chair- man, Sir, if a hotel keeper were to run his business properly, he would keep a proper register, and a Police officer can come at any time the register is always available and it is kept pro- perly.

If the Police officer wishes to make a fool of himself by going there twice a day, or even ten times a day, the hotel keeper has got nothing to worry about.
In addition to that, the Police officer has to keep a record of his activities, and if his record shows that he has been harassing this hotel by going there ten times a day, per- haps, he would have to answer to his superiors.
Wan Mustapha bin Haji Wan Ali: Mr Chairman, Sir, when I say "abuse", I mean it in the' sense, whether the hotel keeper is keeping the register properly or not, that there might be a young Police constable who wants, probably, tea money, or probably a fifty cent tip-I regret that I have got result that the hotel keeper might get so fed-up that he will just give him fifty cents so, you are giving the temptation there.

He says, "Why should the hotel keeper be worried if he is keeping his register properly?"
What I mean is that the hotel keeper will lose business.

Just imagine if every now and then a Police officer goes and inspects the register say, in the Merlin Hotel you will find that the tourists there will just go away.

For instance, I will not go and live in a hotel, whether big or small, if I see a policeman every now and then going there to check the register (Laughter).

Enche' Yeoh Kian Teik: On a point of clarification, Sir is not that a matter of opinion?
Dato' J. E. S. Crawford : Mr Chair- man, Sir, on a point of clarification- is the House in Committee, because several Members are talking?

Mr Chairman: The House is in Committee.

Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Sir, it is on a matter of principle, and I agree with the Honourable Senator from Kelantan that it.

might be sub- jected to abuse in that an officer might go there during off duty hours so that his visit might not be recorded he just goes there for a visit, and that is enough for the guests, I think.
Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr Chairman, Sir, I wish to make a slight contribution to this discussion.

I would like to say that, on the record, there is nothing to make us believe that our Police is likely to abuse any .of the powers; and, secondly, Sir, as far as I know, it is mentioned in other legislation that a Police officer is described as "any person not below the rank of a Sergeant."

Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.


Bill reported without amendment; to say this, but since the Honourable read the third time and passed.

1403 28 MARCH 1966 1404 THE MINIOR OFFENCES (AMENDMENT) BILL Act to amend the Cinematograph Films Ordinance , 1952" be read a Second Reading second time.

Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Minor Offences Ordinance, 1955" be read a second time.
Dato' Y. T. Lee: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya menyokong.

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Mr President, Sir, the object of this Bill is to amend the Minor Offences Ordinance, 1955, by inserting immedi- ately after Section 15 of the Ordinance a new sub-section 15A.
The whole intention of the amendment by the insertion of this new sub-section is for the purpose of controlling unautho- rised persons from interfering with members of the public in their deal- ings with Government Departments by making it an offence for anyone, who loiters for the purpose of offering or offers, or solicits to offer his services, for profit or reward.
The Explanatory Statement in the Bill itself gives further explanation as to why these unauthorised persons should be controlled, and I, therefore, do not propose to take more time of the Senate by enlarging upon what has already been stated therein.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.


(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 3 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.

THE CINEMATOGRAPH FILMS (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Dato' Y. T. Lee: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya menyokong.
Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Mr President, Sir, the object of this Bill is to amend Section 25 of the Cinematograph Films Ordinance, 1952, so that the exhibition of films given by a foreign country pursuant to an agreement entered into between that Government and the Government of the Federation of Malaysia will not be subject to censorship.

As the law now stands, there is no provision to grant such an exemption.

Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.
THE COMMON GAMING HOUSES (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the laws relating to common gaming of the States of Malaya, Sabah and Sarawak" be read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya menyokong.
Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Mr President, Sir, the presence of gaming in public under the guise of playing for pastime and the activities of illegal lotteries in the various States of Malaysia has become a matter of concern to the Government.

The respective Common Gaming Houses Ordinances that exist in the States of 1405 28 MARCH 1966 1405 Malaya, Sabah and Sarawak which are used against these illegal opera- tions have been found to be deficient.

The Bill seeks to remedy these defi- ciencies.


Paragraphs 2, 3 and 4 of the Explanatory Statement give details as to how each legislation of the States is to be amended and I, therefore, do not propose to explain what is already stated therein.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

First, Second and Third Schedules ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.
THE CIVIL LAW (AMENDMENT) Enche' S. o. K. Ubaidulla : Mr Presi- dent, Sir, I am glad the Government has, although so late as this, at last come to recognise the largescale prevalence of unlawful gaming and lotteries.

The flagrant breaking of law has become very much widespread.
I can understand the hawker rotating a wheel and cheating poor children under the guise of small game, but I am often surprised to see that in some schools and charitable institutions these lotteries and games are being indulged and to carry out these nefar- ious acts they seek the assistance of small school children.

These small school children, who should be taught the decent way of living, are being even now taught the art of beggary with the blessings of the heads of the institutions.
I am pained to see some- times small children carrying lottery tickets in their hands going door to door to the houses of known people and unknown people and pestering them to buy these tickets.

I know the cause is good, but this is not the way by which money should, be collected for such good cause.

All these things can very well come under illegal lotteries.

It is not fair for these intelli- gentsia to carry out illegal lotteries under the guise of charity and good cause.
I suppose it is the intention of the Government by this law to curb such activities that are being carried out by schools and charitable institu- tions.

Thank you.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.
BILL Second Reading Ilato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that they Bill entitled "An Act to amend the Civil Law Ordinance, 1956, and to repeal certain written laws relating to apportionment and assignment", be now read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya menyokong.
Enche' Abdul -Rahman bin Ya`kub: Mr President, Sir, this Bill seeks to do three quite separate things: Clause 2 seeks to amend Section 7 of the Civil Law Ordinance, 1956; Clause 3 inserts a new part in that Ordinance; and Clause 4 repeals an Ordinance and also an Enactment.

The main purpose of the Bill is the amendment of Section 7 of the Civil Law Ordinance.

The opportunity has been taken to deal with other matters at the same time.
Section 7 of the Civil Law Ordinance provides for the award of damages in civil proceedings to the family of a deceased person, whose death has been caused by negligence or some other wrongful act.

This is, of course, a most important section.

The common law, Mr Presi- dent, Sir, originally did not provide any such remedy, when a person was killed by negligence.

If a person was injured but not killed he could sue but, on the other hand, if he was killed there was no one who could bring an action.
This state of affairs was put right by legislation in Great Britain in 1846, and Section 7 of the Civil Law Ordinance makes corres- ponding provisions here.

As Honouru able Senators will appreciate a great 1407 28 MARCH 1966 1408 deal depends in cases of this kind on that all payments of this kind should what lawyers call the measure of damages.

By that is meant the method by which the amount of damages is calculated when a person has suc- ceeded in winning his case.
The general principle in fatal accident cases is that the amount of damages is arrived at by calculating the amount which the widow and other surviving mem- bers of the family have lost by the death.

If the deceased person was a wage earner, the widow will have lost an amount equal to a certain part of his wages for the rest of his working life.

That is, of course, only the rough general principle.

There are a great many refinements which I will not go into.
It will be clear that if a widow has gained by her husband's death, as might be the case, for example, if she has inherited a large sum of money from him, that gain will have to be deducted from the damages.

Many years ago, it was held by the courts that this applied when the deceased had been insured.

Insurance payments had to be deducted like any other gains.
This was thought to be unfair, because it benefited no one except the defendant in the case, who had to pay less damages, because the man he killed had been prudent enough to insure himself.

Therefore, legislation was enacted to provide that insurance payments were not be deducted from the damages in fatal accident cases.

be treated on the same basis.

I am sure that Honourable Senators will agree with me that this is an amend- ment to the law which is both fair and eminently desirable.
I suppose it might be described as something of a law- yers's amendment, but it is by no means purely technical in its effect.

On the contrary, it will be of great benefit to those who, through no fault of their own, lose the head of their family in an accident.

I turn now, Mr President, Sir, to the other Clauses in the Bill.

Unlike Clause 2, these remaining Clauses are purely technical.
Honourable Senators will see that Clause 3 seeks to insert in the Civil Law Ordinance a new part headed "Apportionment".

This branch of the law deals with the question when a periodical payment such as rent actually becomes payable.

For example, if a house is let at a quarterly rent of $500 and the tenancy comes to an end for some reason half- way through a quarter, can the land- lord recover part of the rent, or is it the case that he can recover no rent, because the period was never com- pleted?
In Penang and Malacca, when they were part of the Straits Settle- ments, an Ordinance called "the Apportionment Ordinance" was passed to make it clear that in the case of the kind I have just quoted the rent would be deemed to accrue from day to day In a case in Johor in 1962, it was and the landlord would, therefore, be held that the payment to a widow able to recover a proportionate amount from the Employees Provident Fund of the rent for the quarter.

That was an insurance payment.


It followed Ordinance is still in force in Penang that the amount of damages had to be reduced by the amount of the payment and Malacca, but there is no corres- ponding legislation in other States of from the Fund.

The Government takes Malaya.

To ensure uniformity, we take the view that payments from _ the the view that the provisions of the Employees Provident Fund ought to existing Apportionment Ordinance be put on the same basis as insurance payments.
Accordingly we propose to should be extended throughout the States of Malaya.

To avoid multipli- amend the Civil Law Ordinance to city of legislation, it appears that provide that payments from the Fund shall not be taken into account in assessing damages, and we seek to achieve that objective by Clause 2 of the Bill now before the Senate.

Clause 2 does not in fact, limit itself to pay- ments from the Employees Provident Fund.
It brings in other payments, by amendment of the Civil Law Ordi- nance, rather than an extension of the Apportionment Ordinance, would be the best way of achieving this object.

The Bill, therefore, provides by Clause 3 and the Schedule for the insertion in the Civil Law Ordinance of the new part headed "Apportionment" to way of pension or gratuity.

It is logical which I have just referred.


The only 1409 28 MARCH 1966 1410 difference of substance between the House immediately resolved itself new part and the Apportionment into a Committee on the Bill.

and that is done by Clause 4.

Honour- read the third time and passed.

Ordinance is that the definition of rents in the proposed new section 16A exclude rents payable for State land.

The reason for the exclusion is that rents for State land are now dealt with in the National Land Code.
As a consequence of the insertion of the new part in the Civil Law Ordinance, it will, of course, be necessary to repeal the Apportionment Ordinance able Senators will see that Clause 4 also repeals the Assignments Enact- ment, 1936, of the former Federated Malay States.

The reason for that is simply that the matters provided for by the Enactment are now dealt with by Sub-section (3) of section 4 of the Civil Law Ordinance.

The Enactment is, therefore, redundant.


I should also make one final point clear to the Senate.

The Civil Law Ordinance extends only to the States of Malaya, and the Borneo States will not be affected by this Bill.

The matters dealt with by the Civil Law Ordinance are far-reaching and of great importance.
It is to be hoped that in due course it will be possible to have unified legislation throughout Malaysia on these matters, but it is not possible as yet since many difficult legal questions are involved.

We do not think it right to hold up the amendment of section 7 of the Civil Law Ordinance pending the settlement of these questions, and we have thought it best to proceed with the amendment here now.

I am afraid Mr President, Sir, that I had to go into a good deal of detail.
I am sure, how- ever, that the Senate will agree with me that the amendment to section 7 is both necessary and important and that the other amendments, although perhaps, they would not justify an amending Bill by themselves, are desirable and rightly included in the Bill.

Thank you.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

Bill considered in Committee.


(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 4 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: THE PRESERVATION OF BOOKS BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to make pro- vision relating to the preservation of books and to provide for matters con- nected therewith" be now read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second.


The Minister for Welfare Services (Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan): Mr President, Sir, the present Preservation of Books Ordinance enacted before Merdeka in 1950 applies only to States of Malaya and it has proved to be outdated in many other respects.
For example, though the Ordinance provides that three copies of every book printed in Malaya be delivered to the National Archives, the Ordinance requires that these books, after being catalogued, be re-distributed to two foreign institutions, namely the University of Singapore Library and the Trustees of the British Museum, while the third copy is to be sent to the University of Malaya Library but with no obligation to preserve it.
As a result, although there is a catalogue of books printed in Malaya, there is no complete collec- tion of the national production of literary, scientific, artistic and other publications being kept in the country.

This state of affairs is really unique and most undesirable, and should be rectified.
This Bill has two main objectives : (i) to ensure that two copies of every book published in Malaysia are depo- sited in a national depository which 1411 28 MARCH 1966 1412 will form the nucleus of the future National Library in the Federal Capital: a Committee on this National Library project has been set up.
(ii) Although the Bill provides the machinery for the receipt and conservation of books and publications at Federal level, it does not infringe the rights of the component States of Malaysia to enact their own State Legislations.

A case in point is that of Sarawak which has already its own legislation known as the "Sarawak Museum (Deposit Library) Ordinance, 1961".
The main new provisions of the Bill compared to the existing legislation are : (a) Two copies (instead of the present three) of all publications pub- lished in Malaysia are to be delivered to the National Archives for permanent deposit these publications will no longer be re- distributed as has been the case hitherto; (b) the penalty for default is in- creased to $1,000 plus the value of the books which have not been deposited; (c) the Government Printer, who till now has not been required to deliver Government publications to the National Archives, will now be required to do so; (d) there would be four other institu- tutions, namely, the University of Malaya Library, the Sarawak Museum, the Sabah Central Lib- rary and the Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka, called request libraries, which can request for copies of any publication published in Malaysia from any publisher within a prescribed period of twelve months from the date of publication.
In short, the present Bill seeks to widen the application of the existing Preserva- tion of Books Ordinance to cover the whole of Malaysia and to remedy certain flaws consonant with our national interests.

Dato' Haji Mohamed Noah bin Omar: Mr President, Sir, I support the second reading of this Bill, but I would like to have some explanation or clarification from the Minister con- cerned with regard to the books which have already been delivered to the Trustees of the British Museum in the past.
What action will the Government take in respect of those books whether the Government will be able to get them back here, whether they will be kept in the University Library here or are they going to remain there?

I think it is a good idea if those books, which have been delivered to the Trus- tees of the British Museum, can be taken back to Malaysia.
Tan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka-lah menya- takan bagi menj awab pertanyaan yang di-buat oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu buku2 yang telah kita serahkan kapada British Museum itu sudah tentu-lah kita pada awal-nya serahkan pada dia langsong.

Jadi tentu-lah tinggal di-situ, j adi j ikalau kita berkehendak untok meminjam agak saya pada satu2 refer- ence dari satu ka-satu masa bilek Museum saya rasa tidak-lah berasa susah untok meminj amkan kapada kita.
Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Mr President, Sir, I would like clarification on the meaning of "publisher".

I know that many books are printed in Malaya and in some cases the authors who write these books give them to their friends free of charge.

Is the word "publisher" synonymous with the word "author"?
If it is given to friends without being published, is it an offence under this Enactment not to send the books to the various insti- tutions entitled to receive it to the University of Malaya, Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka, Sabah Central Library, and the Sarawak Museum?

I want clarification on that point.


Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, buku2 yang di-keluar- kan published dalam negeri ini ia- itu j ika di-chetak dan di-keluarkan dalam negeri ini, ini semua buku2 itu ada-lah terlibat dalam Undang2 mi.

Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: (rises).

1413 28 MARCH 1966 1414 Mr President : We are not in Com- mittee.

Honourable Senators cannot speak more than once.

Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Thank you.


But I thought the Minister just now said, "Berchetak dan berjual di- Question put, and agreed to.

dalam negeri ii".

Clauses 1 to 7 inclusive ordered to Bill accordingly read a second time stand part of the Bill.

and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.


(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1-7 Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok : It says under Clause 3, "The publisher of every book ....." May I ask whether "publisher" and "author" are synony- mous terms, that is to say, whether the author and the publisher are the same.

Just now the Honourable Minister told us that only a book that is sold is to be given to the University of Malaya, Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka, and so on, for the Govern- ment Archives.
There are scientific books, like the Medical Journals published by the Malayan Medical Association; they are very highly scientific books and are very useful; they are not sold, but are given away to members of the Association only.

Are they compelled, under this Enact- ment, to be given to these institutions?

I would like to know that point, because just now the Honourable Minister told us that books must be sold, but these books are not sold; of the Association.
Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.

THE FAMILY PLANNING BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to move that a Bill entitled "The Family Planning Bill" be now read a second time.

Che' Aishah binti Haji Abdul Ghani: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menyokong.
The Minister of Education (Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari): Mr President, Sir, Honourable Members of the Senate will recall that in considering the First Malaysia Plan, 1966/67, in December last year, this House was advised that the Government would implement a positive policy of family planning and that a National Family Planning Board would be established to carry out an intensive family planning programme on a national scale.
The Bill before this House is designed to achieve this objective and to pave the way for an early start in launching the National Family Planning Programme.

Family planning activities are not, The Family Planning Association in the various parts of the country they are only given away to members by any means, new to this country.
Tuan Hai Abdul Hamid Khan: Sir, affiliated to the Federation of Family I am afraid the Honourable Member Planning Association have been active misunderstood me when I spoke in in this field for the past ten years.

Malay.

So, I might as well speak in While these voluntary organisations English just to make the point clear have been doing a wonderful job of to the Honourable Member.

I did not work, their personnel and financial mention the word "sold".
Saya tidak resources are limited and hence the mengatakan jual.

What I did say was coverage and effectiveness of their printed and published.

In other words, all books printed and published in this country will have to abide by this Ordinance printed and published, irrespective of whether they are sold or not.

work have not been as widespread as they would have desired.
Large numbers of people in both the urban and rural areas of the country have now become conscious of the desir- ability and need to limit the size 1415 28 MARCH 1966 1416 families in order to maintain better educational and living standards.

Hitherto, the Government's part has been merely confined to the granting of yearly subvention to the Family Planning Associations.

The time has now come for the Government itself to make a realistic stand and take the lead in the field of family planning.
An autonomous body will, therefore, have to be established with corporation development, and the growth in pro- capita income is being impeded because of the rapidly rising population.

While this rate of population growth is due partly to the declining death rate arising from the provision of more and better medical services, the birth rate itself is by any standard high.

This has brought into sharper focus the economic and financial implications of the rapid population growth.
More status, in order to implement the schools, which is my main worry, Government's policy.

I would like to clinics and houses have to be built add here that a number of other and more job opportunities have to be developing countries, including such created for the new entrants to the Muslim countries like Turkey, United labour force.

Arab Republic and Pakistan have, as a matter of policy, incorporated countries development programmes.
family planning as part of their siderable savings would accrue to the I am advised by experts that con- economic should the family planning programme proves to be successful.

Honourable Members will, I am The saving can be expressed in terms sure, agree that the basic resources for a nation's development are its people, not just people, but healthy, of the value of released consumption for each birth prevented.
For each birth prevented, it is estimated that the educated and vigorous people, who value of saving resulting from released should be properly nurtured and cared for when young, and it is generally accepted that family planning will make a major contribution in this direction.

Apart from health and other reasons, there are also strong economic grounds for the country to implement a National Programme of Family Planning.
Most of the developing countries of the world, particularly in Asia and Latin America, are faced with the problem of population explo- sion and this problem is very real, because it has been found that in most cases population growth far outstrips economic growth of the countries concerned.

Unless something concrete is done, the world will have forever to contend with poverty, hunger, illiteracy and illhealth amongst the majority of its peoples.
As Honourable Members are aware, Malaysia has one of the highest rates of population growth in the world and, if this rate of over 3 per cent is sustained over a long period of time, the population can be expected to double in a span of 25 years.

This high rate of population growth has, to some extent, clouded the impressive size achieved in economic and social consumption will be of the order of $2,500.
On the basis of a programme starting this year with 50,000 women using Intra-Uterine Device, with the number increasing by 15,000 per year to a total of 125,000 by 1971, the total birth prevented to range from over 4,000 in 1966 to about 37,000 in 1971.
According to these calculations, the value of savings accruing from released consumption would rise from $10 million per year in 1966 to $91 million in 1971, giving a total savings of about $300 million during a six-year period if the family planning programme is successfully implemented.

The case for limitation of size of family can thus be said to be self-evident.

The people in this country have enjoyed a comparatively high standard of living.
The ra`ayat have had the benefits of progress and prosperity prevailing under our system of parliamentary democracy.

The Government is deter- mined to provide them with more and better things in life.

Democracy, how- ever, cannot thrive in an atmosphere of poverty, frustration and empty slogans.
Family planning will go a long way towards promoting, directly or indirectly, sound economic develop- ment and it will help to avoid a 1417 28 MARCH 1966 1418 situation whereby increase in income of the Government to the Ford and productivity are nullified by the rapid increase in sheer numbers.

I am sure Honourable Members in this House will wish me to express the Government's appreciation of the good work carried out in the past by the Family Planning Association in our country.
Their activities over the past ten years have brought about an enlightened attitude which is by and large favourable to family planning.

With the establishment of the National Family Planning Board, the activities of these voluntary organisations will be reinforced and further strengthened for improving the health of mothers and children for the well-being of the nation as a whole.
The Board will co- ordinate family planning activities throughout the country and in carrying out this task, I am sure, that the public would co-operate actively and give its maximum support to the National Family Planning Board.

The Government, through this Board, will make available family planning services and facilities to all who wish to take advantage of them on a purely voluntary basis.

Mr President, Sir, I would now like to explain some of the salient features of the Bill.
The National Family Plan- ning Board will consist of a Chairman to be appointed by His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong, a Director who will be the Chief Executive Officer of the Board, not more than ten members, each of whom shall be a representative of interested Ministries and Departments concerned, and not more than ten other members to be appointed from among members of the public and public organisations.

The operations of the Board will be financed by way of a Government grant.
The Board will also be autho- rised to receive financial contributions, medical supplies and other assistance Foundation and other donor agencies for their assistance towards this programme.

We look forward to closer co-operation and collaboration with them in the future.

The National Family Planning Board will be placed under my charge in my capacity as Chairman of the Cabinet Sub- Committee on Family Planning until such time when it has begun to func- tion effectively and smoothly.
The Honourable Prime Minister said in a statement to the Press that I had been chosen to be the Chairman of this sub-committee in view of my qualifica- tion as a father of thirteen children.

(Laughter) I am not going to dispute this statement.

After all, this is another form of family planning too !
However, I take great pleasure in doing what little I can in addition to my own ministerial duties, because I am con- vinced myself that in spite of the various development projects, both in economic and social fields that the Government has been doing and will continue to do, family planning will play an important part in bringing about greater happiness for a greater number of people of our country and, indeed, of the whole world in the future.
I am sure that the Honourable Mem- bers of the Senate, particularly the Lady Members (Laughter), will give their full support to this Bill.

Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, baharu sa-bentar kita mendengar uchapan Yang Berhormat Menteri, yang kebetulan juga akan menjadi Pengerusi kapada Lembaga ini, dan saya sangat tertarek hati ka- pada keterangan2 yang telah di-sampai- kan oleh pehak Menteri, yang akan menjadi Pengerusi Lembaga ini ten- tang kawalan atau pun Family Plan- ning mi.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, masaalah yang from international agencies, private besar, harus kita bersama2 fikirkan foundations and from donor countries.

dalam soal Family Planning ini, bukan- Provision has accordingly been made lah sa-mata2, dari sudut ekonomi, for the Board to accept voluntary bukan sa-mata2 dari sudut social, yang endowments, grants and gifts to assist in implementing the family planning programme.
In this connection, I would like to express the appreciation menyebabkan timbul fikirkn2 dunia daripada orange bijak khusus-nya dari- pada orange yang bijak dalam eko- nomi, juga daripada orange bijak 1419 28 MARCH 1966 1420 dalam politiks dari gulongan2 liberal.
Perkara ini telah pun di-chadangkan bertahun2 lama-nya dan sa-bagaimana yang di-terangkan oleh Yang Berhor- mat Menteri tadi, beberapa negeri dari sudut ekonomi, di-tinjau dari sudut social terutama kebetulan Men- teri kita is-lah Menteri Pelajaran, susah hendak menyiapkan sekolah2 pula.

mi semua-nya ada-lah perkara Islam sendiri pun saperti Turkey, Re- kechil yang saya tidak fikir kita boleh public Arab Bersatu, dan Pakistan pun terpengaroh oleh fikiran2 barat yang telah mempelupori perkara mi.
Yang demikian tidak patut-lah siapa2 juga hidup liberal, yang menchegahkan ini semua -nya bagi kepentingan social bangun untok menyatakan tidak baik yang pada mereka mungkin balk, pada dan tidak betul perkara ini.

Itu-lah kita tidak mesti baik.

sebab-nya Yang Berhormat Menteri tadi mengatakan dia harap full sup- port sokongan yang sa-penoh2-nya daripada Dewan kita mi.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya juga tidak berchadang untok menentang Bill ini, akan tetapi ingin saya menya- takan pendapat saya bahawa pada dasar-nya Kerajaan champor dalam perkara ini ada-lah sangat baik, tetapi kalau di-maksudkan untok mengawal satu keadaan yang membolehkan sa- siapa2 yang patut di-kawal, terkawal, maka itu-lah yang sa-baik2.
Manusia, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ber- kembang biak di-dalam dunia ini, hasil perkahwinan dan daripada perkah- winan itu mengembangkan manusia dan perkembangan manusia itu rupa2- nya telah menimbulkan satu problem, satu masaalah kapada manusia pula.
Bagi saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, per- kembangan manusia yang ramai tidak menimbulkan masaalah, tetapi saya katakan kalau sa-kira-nya hendak ada- kan satu kawallan, mereka2 yang patut di-kawal is-lah mereka2 yang kesi- hatan-nya terganggu, mereka2 yang di- dapati sebab2 yang menasabah patut di-beri kawalan.
Tetapi kalau sa-kira- nya kita tidak mempunyai satu per- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-dalam masaalah ini saya perchaya pehak Kerajaan apabila bersunggoh2 hendak membicharakan perkara ini, meng- ambil berat dalam perkara ini , tentu- lah terpengaroh dengan fikiran2 barat is-itu fikiran dari sudut ekonomi kerana pertambahan manusia akan menyebabkan tidak dapat di-kawal persekolah mereka, pekerjaan mereka dan sa-bagai-nya.
Saya rasa tidak berapa tepat pendapat2 yang saperti itu oleh kerana negeri kita ini sendiri satu negeri yang 3 maseh hutan rimba dan tidak bagitu mustahak kita takut kita di-banjiri oleh manusia kerana negeri ini belum maju , kerana maseh banyak bahagian2-nya belum di-buka olch manusia .
Jadi soal yang kita takutkan tidak dapat memberi peker- jaan, tidak dapat memberi makanan kapada ra `ayat, dari sudut ekonomi di-Malaya atau di-Malaysia ini tidak timbul, tetapi fikiran2 itu kita pandan g di-masa hadapan, kita akul ada ke- benaran -nya dan kita bersunggoh2 untok menchegah kebanjiran manusia kerana menghadapi masa hadapan.
Saya katakan , Tuan Yang di-Pertua, masaalah yang sa-benar-nya is-lah masaalah pembahagian rezeki hares hetongan yang betul2 untok mengawal `adil di-antara manusia sama manusia.
mereka2 yang patut di-kawal, saperti Ketakutan kapada perkara ini telah yang saya maksudkan is-itu ibu2 yang meratal fikiran orange barat dan tidak- telah terlalu banyak anak, yang boleh menimbulkan kerosakan kesehatan mereka tidak kita kawalkan, itu sama sa-kali tidak patut dan kapada mereka itu-lah yang utama-nya di-beri kawalan saperti yang di-hajatkan oleh Kerajaan.
lah salah kalau saya katakan penyakit ketakutan perkara ini telah berjangkit kapada pemerentah yang memerentah Malaysia sekarang ini kerana ke- betulan mereka terdiri dari orange yang berfikir sa-chara barat.
Saya tidak dapat menerima pendapat kawalan ini di-buat bagi maksud untok menchegah banjir manusia kerana increase atau pertambahan sa-tahun demi sa-tahun beberapa persen di- dalam negeri kita ini kerana di-tinjau Tuan Yang di-Pertua , masaalah yang penting pada kita is-lah menentu- kan satu sikap di-dalam bentok eko- nomi supaya sesuai dengan ke`adilan kemanusia.an is-itu hidup di-dalam dunia yang sama, di-dalam tanah ayer 1421 28 MARCH 1966 1422 yang lama mendapat pembahagian rezeki yang sama daripada sa-buah Kerajaan yang di-pileh oleh ra`ayat semua-nya maka dengan kerana itu penyusunan sistem ekonomi bagi sa- buah negeri itu-lah yang perlu bukan takutkan kebanjiran manusia yang lebeh mustahak.
Perlu kita susun tentang ekonomi supaya pembahagian ekonomi yang lebeh `adil kapada manusia dapat di-adakan is-itu dengan jalan tidak membenarkan pertumpo- kan--pertumpokan kekayaan kapada satu gulongan dan kekeringan kapada satu gulongan yang lain.
Apa yang berlaku di-dalam negeri kita sekarang ini dan dalam beberapa negeri2 lain is-lah kekayaan itu ber- putar2 di-antara satu gulongan yang kechil dan ra`ayat terbanyak tidak mendapat hasil kekayaan dalam negara mereka sendiri, dengan kerana itu timbul-lah kepinchangan di-dalam ekonomi dan kebetulan demokrasi liberal mengizinkan pertumbohan parti2 politik, mengizinkan ujud-nya pilehanraya untok memileh sa-buah Kerajaan ra`ayat chara liberal, maka yang tampil ka-hadapan dan yang munchul sa-bagai pemimpin2 datang daripada orange yang berada dengan sokongan yang kuat daripada gulo- ngan2 yang berada.
Maka akhir-nya negara itu di-kuasa% oleh gulongan yang berada yang menindas gulongan yang tidak berada dengan selogan2 dan dindang2 yang sedap untok mem- perbaiki nasib ra`ayat.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, fikiran2 daripada mereka yang memerentah yang sa-macham ini-lah yang keluar mengatakan masaalah ekonomi ini tidak boleh di-selesaikan oleh kerana di-hadapan kita kelak akan timbul masaalah kebanjiran manusia dan ke- banjiran itu akan menyusahkan lagi kapada pemerentah untok menghadapi masaalah ekonomi dan social di- sebabkan mereka berfikir dari sudut mereka, yang memerentah itu hanya berfikir dari sudut mereka telah mem- bolot kekayaan dan untok menyelesai- kan masaalah dengan lebeh `adil mereka tidak berdaya berbuat bagitu.
Tidak sanggup membuat ke`adilan kapada manusia, tidak sanggup kaseh sayang untok me wujudkan satu ke- sedaran manusia itu-lah yang menim- bulkan faham2 berakhir kapada wujud- nya chita2 atau keazaman hendak melancharkan gerakan mengawal ke- banjiran manusia.

Saya tidak nampak ada satu sebab bagi tanah ayer kita ini untok takut berhadapan dengan ban- jiran manusia sebab kita maseh jauh dari apa yang di-katakan banjir di- dalam tanah ayer kita ini.
Jadi spirit atau semangat ugama rasmi negara ini, saya tidak peduli Kerajaan akan mengatakan negeri ini secular state tetapi dalam semangat yang di-chatit- kan dalam Perlembagaan ugama rasmi ada-lah Islam.

Saya mengatakan Kera- jaan tidak Iebeh dahulu meninjau kapada spirit perlembagaan dalam membuat satu rang undang2 untok negara yang mengakui Islam sa-bagai ugama rasmi.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-dalam pengajaran Islam sa-telah datang ugama Islam untok menghanchorkan faham2 jahiliah kebodohan manusia yang takut dengan tidak tentu fasal saperti yang telah berlaku di-negeri Timor Tengah.

Orange Arab oleh kerana hidup-nya menchari makan dengan merampas dan merompak.
Maka mereka itu bimbang banyak anak yang bukan laki2 bukan sahaja tidak boleh menolong mereka dalam menchari makanan tetapi boleh me- nimbulkan kemaluan kapada mereka sebab anak2 perempuan akan di- rampas oleh orange yang lebeh gagah dan itu memalukan ibu bapa sendiri.

Sebab satu chara berfikir mereka pada masa itu chara primitive, gali lubang dan tanamkan anak2 perempuan supaya jangan banjir manusia atau manusia perempuan.

Itu fikiran jahil- iah.


Apabila datang Islam Tuhan mengingatkan apa-kah dosa anak2 itu maka dia di-kebumikan bagitu.

Apa- kah dosa anak2 itu maka mereka itu di-tanam hidup2, apa-kah kamu takut kerana kekurangan i ezeki kerana ke- pinchangan ekonomi sedangkan Allah memberi rezeki kapada manusia.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, itu-lah haki- kat dan Nabi Muhamad (s.a.w.)

pernah bersabda kapada umat Islam, "Ber- kahwin-lah dan beranak-lah supaya aku dapat berbangga bahawa umat-ku chukup banyak."
Dengan sebab itu 1423 28 MARCH 1966 1424 pengajaran Islam sendiri menentang pembunohan manusia, dan melarang pnanaman anak2 perempuan di-zaman jahiliah dan menunjokkan kapada manusia, jangan takut kapada masa- alah ekonomi, kerana yang memberi rezeki is-lah Tuhan.

Nabi Muhamad s.w.

pula meminta supaya umat Islam berkahwin dan beranak dengan demi- kian banyak-lah jumlah umat Islam.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua , ini-lah saya mera sa ganjil mengapa dari pehak kite pun ikut2 kapada pemikiran orang Karat yang liberal tidak sa-kali pun kita mahu memikir dari sudut ugama kita dan dari kepentingan dan keya- kinan kita sendiri untok kepentingan kita masa hadapan , tidak sahaja ke- pentingan hard ini tetapi kepentingan masa depan.

Tuan Yang di- Pertua , soal rezeki atau ekonomi bagi ra`ayat bagi manusia is -lah kurniaan Tuhan yang sangat banyak di-dalam negara kita.
Tetapi soal-nya yang tida.k betul kapada kita is-lah soal perampasan, perampasan hak daripada gulongan yang tidak punya mereka2 yang miskin di -dalam negara kita.

Peram- pasan ini ada-lah perlakuan yang tidak `adil sama sa -kall dan ini hendak- lah di-betulkan oleh sa -buah peme- rentah yang `adil supaya ke`adilan itu bukan sahaja di-rasai oleh prang kaya tetapi meratai kapada seluroh manu- sia yang menjadi ra ` ayat negeri mi.
Tetapi kalau Kerajaan itu sendiri tidak san gup melakukan ke`adilan sa-lama itu-lah tidak akan ada perubahan atau fikiran yang keluar daripada mereka yang memerentah.

Apa yang mereka sanggup is-lah adakan birth control kawalan beranak, ini-lah Benda-nya di-perkuat, lain daripada itu tidak nampak lagi.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua , apa yang akan kita ka.takan sekarang ini apabila Kerajaan sendiri menggalakkan supaya pembunohan manusia di-lakukan dengan sa-chara yang bersunggoh2 kalau orang Arab di-zaman jahiliah itu Melakukan pembunohan anak perempuan tetapi kita sekarang ini chuba dan berusaha pula bersunggoh2 untok membunoh anak laki2 dan perempuan di-dalam kandongan untok membunoh beneh2 yang akan melahir- kan anak manusia hamba2 Tuhan dalam muka bumf Tuhan ini, maka kita telah sampai kapada zaman jahi- liah moden.
Kebodohan yang paling besar_ di-dalam sejarah dunia lebeh bodoh daripada zaman orange Arab dahulu.

Di-dalam waktu scientific waktu sain yang bagitu memunchak, tetapi kita maseh bodoh lagi kerana kita memikirkan sa-suatu dengan tidak memikirkan keadaan yang sa-benar- nya hanya memandang dari satu jurusan sahaja.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua , pelaksanaan kawalan ini di-pandang dari sudut ekonomi dan social dari satu segi nampak-nya molek, baik , tetapi dari sudut lain terutama dari kacha mata ugama , tidak baik dan tidak molek.

Orange tidak akan dapat menyelesai- kan masaalah ekonomi dalam negeri ini sa-mata2 dengan kekurangan jum- lah manusia apabila telah di-bataskan .

Masaalah yang sa-benar-nya is-lab masaalah pembahagian ekonomi yang `adil dari segi ekonomi.
Dari segi social , tidak akan selesai masaalah social di-dalam negeri kita ini atau di-mana2 pun juga melainkan apabila ada ke`adilan di-dalam berfikir kapada diri kita sendiri.

Ke`adilan dalam melaksanakan sa- suatu untok diri kita sendiri, kalau kita tidak sanggup melaksanakan ke- `adilan di-dalam sa-suatu terhadap diri kita sendiri, maka kita akan menjadi orang yang dzalim kapada diri kita sendiri.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berkata perkara ini bagitu is-lah ambil2 dari- pada falsapah ugama .
Melakukan ke- `adilan kapada diri sendiri untok mene- gakkan sosial yang baik , melakukan kedzaliman kapada diri sendiri untok meruntohkan social yang baik dan menimbulkan sa-suatu kemungkaraan yang burok di-dala_m negara kita.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita meng- galakkan birth control, di-mana2 kedai ubat ada menjual ubat2 menchegah hamil , berita2 telah di-keluarkan dalam surat2 khabar sa-siapa juga boleh membeli ubat2 ini , budak2 kechil pun boleh membeli di-kedai2 ubat, "mak saya suroh beli satu ubat nama ini conovid " atau itu atau ini, maka 1425 28 MARCH 1966 1426 dapat-lah dia membeli sa-botol, maka Berl aku-lah keruntohan moral yang paling besar di-dalam sej arah bangsa kita, akan kita hadapi satu sejarah keruntohan moral di-dalam negeri kita akibat perubatan mendzalimkan diri kita sendiri.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita takut kapada kebanjiran manusia tetapi kita tidak takut kapada keruntohan dan kehanchoran moral bangsa kita.

Sebab itu saya kata, untok menchegah keban- jiran manusia tidak baik, tetapi untok mengawal ibu2 yang kurang sehat yang perlu di-kawal, itu ada-lah sangat baik.

Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya harap Kerajaan boleh berfikir lagi dalam perkara ini kerana kalau tidak di- fikirkan betul2, kalau tidak di-kaji betul2 untong hanya sa-chupak yang akan rugi berguni2.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, akan tiba satu masa generation kita akan mengutok kita oleh perbuatan yang salah.

Mung- kin saya berchakap ini di-ketawakan, sebab memang bagitu tabiat manusia, memang bagitu sejarah manusia.

Pada zaman dahulu kala, orang itu berkata itu, orang ini berkata ini, orang ramai menurut sahaja.

Kerana itu sudah di-katakan, orang bij ak mengatakan, demikian-lah peroses alam itu berlaku dari satu masa ka- satu masa, dari satu kurun ka-satu kurun.
Orang itu mengatakan ini, hari ini mengatakan ini, sa-pendapat de- ngan orange yang bij ak2, orang akan memperchayai.

Kemudian bila sampai satu masa orang condemn fikiran itu dan timbul idea baharu orang kata bagus.

Demikian-lah dalam zaman kita ini, di-dalam zaman yang telah merasa diri-nya intellect, tetapi tidak sanggup mengeluarkan dan memerah sendiri dan hanya membonching fikiran orange barat, maka dia akan mentertawakan fikiran2 yang berlawanan dengan fiki- ran mereka.
Saya, walau bagaimana pun suka di-chatitkan supaya sejarah akan membuktikan perbuatan kita ini is-lah perbuatan mendzalimkan diri kita sendiri dan bangsa kita seluroh- ny a di-masa akan datang.

Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahaya: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, untok penjelasan kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat yang berkenaan.

Dia kata Bill ini dia tidak bangkang dan dia kata apa perbuatan kita hari ini is-lah mendzalimkan bangsa kita.
Jadi ada-kah dia bersetuju dengan perbuatan mendzalim bagai- niana ta`arif yang di-sebutkan itu?

Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berterima kaseh fasal Yang Berhormat daripada Kelan- tan itu juga dia seronok kalau saya berchakap dia suka bangun menchelah.

Sa-benar-nya sudah saya jelaskan, saya tidak hendak menentang Bill ini sebab kalau saya tentang pun kalah.
Jadi saya hanya memberi pendapat saya kapada Kerajaan kerana Kera- j aan boleh membuat perubahan, j angankan Bill ini sedangkan Perlem- bagaan pun Kerajaan boleh ubah sa- minggu dua kali.

Jadi terserah-lah kapada Keraj aan untok memikirkan apa yang di-katakan dalam Dewan mi.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya meng- harapkan sa-benar2-nya supaya Kera- j aan berhati2, sa-kira-nya Keraj aan akan menj alankan ini, Keraj aan harus- lah hadkan is-itu tiap2 ibu, bukan dari sudut Bill ini, apa yang saya inginkan is-itu hendak-lah di-jalankan kawalan menerusi kelinik2 sa-mata2.

Mesti di- haramkan penjualan ubat menchegah hamil dari sa-barang kedai2 kechuali kelinik2 Kerajaan.
Kenakan harga yang terbatas, yang paling murah sa- hingga dapat di-sanggupi oleh seluroh ra`ayat supaya ubat2 ini tidak sampai kapada orange yang tidak patut meng- gunakan ubat ini, yang akan membawa kapada keruntohan moral, supaya ubat2 ini sampai kapada tangan orange yang patut dan berhak menggunakan ubat2 menchegah hamil menerusi kelinik2 supaya kesihatan mereka dapat terkawal kerana kelebehan anak2 mem- bawa mudzarat kapada urat sarap dan kesihatan tiap2 ibu.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, supaya dengan jalan penjualan menerusi kelinik2 Keraj aan sa-mata2, maka dapat-lah di-kenakan harga yang sa-rendah2-nya.

Sa-botol ubat untok pergunaan sa- bulan harga-nya di-antara $3 dan $4 mengikut jenis2 ubat-nya.

Bagi orange kampong dia tidak sanggup membeli, 1427 28 MARCH 1966 1428 untok membelanjakan $4 sa-bulan, limit its population, so that it could mungkin kerana kurang kemampuan be ineffective as a secular State?
The dan mungkin kerana dia tidak bagitu tahu menggunakan fikiran-nya, benda yang penting pada dia, dia tidak berkorban untok menchegah daripada bahaya kesihatan diri-nya sendiri.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mengharap- kan supaya di-fikirkan dan di-kaji oleh Keraj aan atas dua tuj uan : (i) Supaya ubat2 pnchegah hamil hanya di-jual di-kelinik2 Kera- jaan sa-mata2, dan (ii) hanya mereka yang telah di- pereksa oleh pegawai2 kelinik sahaja yang patut dan menasa- bah di-beri kapada mereka itu dengan ubat2 bagi kepentingan kesihatan mereka, bukan dari segi keselurohan-nya hasrat Kera- jaan untok menchegah kebanji- ran manusia di-dalam negeri mi.
Soal kebanjiran manusia di-dalam negeri ini mesti di-pechahkan is-itu dengan pemechahan masaalah ekonomi yang pada masa ini gulongan kaya yang sadikit jumlah-nya menindas gulongan miskin yang ramai junllah- nya di-dalam negara kita mi.

Sekian.

Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Mr President, Sir, I think everyone will agree with our Prime Minister that we have chosen the very right person to be the Chairman of this Board.
First, we have the Honourable Minister, who is a young man with great intelligence, progressive ideas and ability, and I know through my experience with him that he would be a most efficient administrator of this Board.

But, although agreeing with him on the principle of this Bill, I must utter a few words of caution in this matter as a medical man.

This Bill looks very innocent, because it stated only "family plan- ning".
The words "family planning" remove every suspicion from the minds of those who do not understand the deeper implications of those words.

The alternative meaning of family planning is limitation of population.

Is it desirable that Malaysia with just a population of nine millions should security of our State is most important.
We have surrounding us States with a populations 105 millions, with a population of 600 millions and with populations of 50, 60 and 70 millions; and we understand economi- cally, politically and from the point of security and progress that we are unable to bring our State to a high standard of efficiency, security and progressiveness, unless we have a population of nearly 15 millions.

We are a very backward State with a population of nine millions.
I under- stand from our records that Asia has an annual population increase of 4 per cent.

That is exactly what happens to all other States in the world.

It has been stated in the newspapers that we have a greatly growing population.

I think it is inexact to say that, because from our knowledge of statistics, the population of the world doubles itself every 25 years.

If we have a population increase of 4 per cent a year, then exactly within 25 years we will double ourselves.
Therefore, I think our progress in population is in conformity with the progress of population in other States.

Sir, there are other methods of limitation of population for those who want it.

But do you want it?

I think we do not want it.

From our point of view, we have got to be very careful.

The reason is that we have to think of the security of our country, because the future control of the world will be in the hands of the country that has the most population.
Atomic bomb will not destroy all it will destroy part of the population only.

If we have a big population (Laughter) for instance, if we have a population of 700 million they can destroy half of the population, yet you still have half living on.

They cannot destroy all.

So I ask Government to proceed with caution in this matter, because there are many methods of birth control.

This, I understand from our Honour- able Minister, is what we call in medical terms I.U.D.

(Intra-Uterine Device).


This Intra-Uterine Device might not be popular with the ladies 1429 28 MARCH 1966 1430 (Laughter), because they might tell the men , "Ah, that is all right.

I have got I .U.D.

", but actually there is we are unable to develop our country through the lack of population.

We have got to proceed with caution.

nothing inside.

(Laughter).

The men Malthusian theory states that the world are deceived in that respect; and so you have a population still coming on.

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

So, I would suggest that you should have the other aspect of it legal abortion .

If you want it, the Government should have the legal right to take away the unwanted children in hospitals that is to have legal abortion .

In other countries, if they do not want population increase, they have legal abortion in Soviet Russia , in Norway, Sweden , in Japan would be so over-populated that people will be starving to death .

Sir, that is wrong.

That is only the theory of a philosopher.


It is the food that we take that is important.

For instance, you can get vegetable pills enough to feed you for the rest of your life.

You swallow a pill; the only danger is that your stomach gets smaller and smaller.

(Laughter ).

You don't get anything else.

Your stomach gets smaller and smaller, and you eat less food.

But and in many advance countries : that our duty to the future population of is a better method .
I heard the this world is to develop the best type Honourable Senator from Kelantan say Canaboid which is supposed to be of people we have in this country, not to limit the population but to get a contraceptive pill.

However, from the best type .


That is the idea behind our medical point of view, there are this family planning to get the best dangers arising from taking contra- type of people in this country ; in other to produce geniuses in the ceptive pills the danger of cancer to the womb of the woman .

We do not know how many years the pill has been taken over the last ten years words , country.
This family planning idea will be only if I am not wrong ; but cancer absorbed by those who are educated may develop within 20 years or 30 only the uneducated will resist it.

I years .

So, it is not safe .

Are we going know of a case in which a man went to destroy our female population?
to the office of the Family Planning Are we going to destroy our female Officer and said , "Sir, it is very difficult population to make them unattractive for me to have family planning as women , so that our people could because my wife refuses it.

But I marry other women or do we intend, can't help it .

I am poor.

I have the other way round , to make our men unuchs?

(Laughter).

There are so many views regarding this matter.

I nowhere to go.

Every day I come home I look at my wife .


I come back in the day for dinner I see my wife.

In suggest that there is a method which the morning I see my wife, in the medical men have advocated for afternoon I see my wife, night time I nearly 40 years , the method of eugenics , where the married people are see my wife ; I cannot afford to go out.

So my wife is my only object of to be examined by a doctor whether pleasure" .

(Laughter).

It is so difficult.

they are suitable to be married.


But for us to convince the lower segment that method is against human nature because love knows no barrier; love is blind .

(Laughter).

A person who falls in love will marry anybody black, or the lower section of the population that it is necessary to control or limit our population control the family, limit the family .

So, I think it will (Laughter).

So, the work the other way round only the green or blue .

danger is there.
danger is there.

people who are intelligent, who are on the top rung of our society.

If we are Sir, I suggest we proceed with trying to plan a family these are the caution , as our Honourable Member people who ought to have more from Kelantan stated.

Is it a device children it is much better to have to limit us , so that we are always under the grip of some foreign power, economically ?
We have got to depend on them for this and for that because three or four wives for them, because we want more children from these people not from the lower section but from the top section.

1431 28 MARCH 1966 1432 So I suggest the alternative to this in this country like that followed by is legal abortion as done in Japan legal abortion for those unwanted children.

How do you know, with so many teenagers, quite a lot of them may require legal abortion?
I suggest, therefore, that we must proceed with other countries, instead of family planning, or let them go on together.

I say this because, for you have got the danger of permanent injury to the womb of the woman in the contra- ceptive pills; secondly, the Intra- caution in this matter.

Do not let us uterine Device will not be accepted be hoodwinked, as my friend from by the women and the lower class of Kelantan stated just now, by an idea.
people; thirdly, we require a population To sell this idea to us is so easy, of 49 million to keep our country safe because we are always susceptible to and progressive; fourthly, foodstuff is Western ideas.

But does it suit our not concerned with us because most country?

Does it suit Malaysia?

I of us are vegetarians (Laughter).

We say, "Proceed with caution".

I do not do not eat so much meat.

We makan want to say that it does not suit sayor lebeh.

We do not take so much Malaysia.


The time may come when meat and the important thing is that we have to revise our ideas.

I say that we must get the type of people that we require a population of 49 million would be able to render help to the to get a progressive, prosperous and country, people with intelligence, secure Malaysia, secure from our ability and so on and not people predatory neighbours.

If we do not without intelligence.


So I suggest that get that population we will always be the Government goes on this family under fear.

We have not enough soldiers to guard our country.

We have not enough statesmen to man our Parliament.

We have not enough clever Ministers, like our Honourable Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari, to be Chairman of the Planning Board.

(Laughter).

So, I suggest, please pro- ceed with caution.


I ask Government to proceed with caution and appoint the right people as members of the Board, so that we can proceed with caution on this.

If we find that we are limiting the population on the wrong type of people, we must cease it.

If some educated woman or some rich man comes and says "I want to limit the population", please tell him, "It is not for you.

It is not meant for you.

It is for somebody else".

Tell him off.

Do not allow him to do it.


So I suggest that, even in some religions, planning with great caution.

Thank you, Sir.

(Applause).

Dato' Athi Nahappan: Sir, I welcome this Bill but I also, to some extent, share the views expressed by the Honourable Senator Dato' Cheah Toon Lok.
Admittedly, our country is not over-populated and as far as development goes, I think Malaya proper itself is only developed to the extent of about 17 per cent of the total area, and the Government does recog- nise it and has launched itself upon developing the country through various land schemes and there is this great vista of great openings.

If this is the case in Malaya, the density of popula- tion is even lesser in the Borneo States in Sabah and Sarawak.

Those States are certainly under-populated.


Nobody can say that Sabah has a big if you say "family planning", the population or Sarawak has a big priest will come down on you and population.

In fact, they have the say: "You must not do it; it is against problems of under-population and they religion".

But if you turn it the other are all the time trying to seek people way round and say "population from the States of Malaya, or even limitation", they will not know it.
You from abroad, to fill up the need of see they will say limitation is not manpower.

That is the present situation against the law of God.

and the fact is that there is a great deal of room for accommodation here.

Sir, although I support this Bill, I We can take it.

ask the Government to proceed with caution in this matter.
It would be better to have a sort of legal abortion Having said that, I would not say that we should not at the same time 1433 28 MARCH 1966 1434 harness ourselves to the idea of at least demand, and we have to see that we having some limitation in population keep our population growth within growth .

This may seen to be somewhat in contradiction .


It is being generally said that apart from the highly indus- trialised countries , the population manageable limit so that every citizen in this country can say "I am well fed", and he can only feed himself if he gets a job and at the moment our unemploy- growth has remained more or less the ment rate is pretty high and our country same over the years .
In all developing is one of those countries in the world countries the rate of growth has been whose population is composed by more somewhat the same , but in developed than half of youths, and year by year countries the rate of growth has we are getting a number of youths markedly reduced .

The important coming into the labour market seeking reason for that is the great attack employment.

against sickness and improvement in sanitation and environmental health.
Sir, I would like to refer to you the As a matter of fact , we have made speech by the Honourable the Minister tremendous progress in his field today malaria is no longer a hazard and so are many other diseases known in this part of the world such as the of Finance when he presented the Budget.
He said, for instance that in spite of the employment opportunities that the Government is trying to give, yaws and so on , though at one time like last year, about 115,000 I am they were taking human toll in great leaving out the hundreds of boys and number , but this has come down a girls left school and at the end of this great deal.

It is because the rate of year at least another 100,000 boys and death has come down that we begin to girls will be leaving school.
Unless see that the rate of growth is going up; many more jobs are created in the but actually the rate of growth, as I future than have been created in the said , has remained static over the years, but our rate of death has been brought down , and in the final net result, we seem to be thinking that our popula- tion is growing very fast .

One of the highest we have here is something in past, the position will deteriorate progressively.
Then the Minister went on to say, and I quote : In the first Malaysian Five Year Development Plan, it has been estimated that the net increase in the labour force would be the region of 3.2 per cent , and this is about 65,000 in 1966 and about 70,000 considered to be very high indeed, because there are other countries which are very highly developed , like Sweden and some other countries , where the rate of growth is below 1 per cent, and with that very limited population they annually thereafter.
That number is less than the number of people who are coming out of the schools every year.

We are not able to provide jobs for those who are coming out of the schools every year, though the First have been able to maintain a very high Malaysian Plan hopefully envisages to level of standard of living.

However, give jobs or create jobs for about what is important is this : the fact is 460,000 people during this period.
Now that the number of countries that have that is about roughly more than 80,000 limited population, it has not effected people a year during this Five Year their economic growth .
We have got Plan and, according to the Minister of countries like Australia, New Zealand Finance statement, if we are going to whose populations are definitely very, have more than 100,000 or about very small and they have got great 100,000 people coming out of schools room for growth but that has not seeking jobs when we can only give hampered their economic growth.

The jobs to about 70,000, we are going to idea of economic growth today is so create quite a problem of job seekers.
much tied up with technological This.

of course, cannot be immediately development that the population extent cured.

I admit, by family planning.

But is not considered to be as necessary as what I am trying to stress is that family thought to be in the ancient days.

Our planning should be an inherent part of primary duty here is to feed our people the economic development of the immediately and that is the main country.
It cannot be simply left to 1435 28 MARCH 1966 1436 manage itself ; ideas, of course, do spread that they do not have inter- national barriers or frontiers.

These days, a middle-class person very often sees the necessity of limiting his family and without much persua- sion he resorts to some kind of self- imposed limitation .
What the Govern- ment intends doing here is not to compel any one to take to this course, but merely to impress upon the need of having a manageable family and not to have a family that cannot be well provided for.

Another factor that must be realised is that even poor people these days want to give good education to their children.

They are now catching up with the idea of giving better education for their children.
Education in this country is not all that free , though we have provided primary education, but the desire to see the children being well-educated is there, and if a poor man has got half a dozen children, it is not at all possible to provide quality children and, therefore , he is just left.

him and he produces children in quantity but quality is being sacrificed.

So it is , I think, necessary that this education should go on .
I do not expect a spectacular success; it is a long-term process and family planning may not be acceptable or even considered feasible in a number of cases.

A num- ber of countries do not consider it feasible but much depends , of course, on the social attitude of the people.

That is where the education comes in.

We of the Asian society , one of the fundamental concepts of matrimony as far as we are concerned , is procreation.
Now, I think that has been accepted and then there are also various emphasis : for example , let us take the Chinese community here or any Asian society; there is this problem of childless old age and children are looked upon to look after the elders when they grow old.

There is not that social security scheme to look after old people , as old people are looked after in the western society .

Therefore, children are preferred there again with particular preference to boys.
I boys are preferred to girls and so long as there is no boy in the family, probably there would be continued efforts to have boys in the family (Laughter).

Then any kind of control gets out of hand .

These are mental attitudes .
We have to educate the people in the interest of the country, in the interest of society, and in the light of changed social values , that these ideals are out of date, that if you have children , whether boys or girls, you must see that you are in a position to provide benefits for the children, that gone are the days when you have to merely look after your children to look after you, that the idea of social security , the idea of looking after the people by the Government has now gained root and, therefore , you should try to limit your children.
Now, the Honourable Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok asked , "Is it desir- able?"

and he said , "It is not desirable".

My view is that it is desirable .

We will of course, have problems of selected manpower and we may find shortages, not limit our population in other fields.
And again the international immigra- tion system goes on and on , and if we have shortages in certain fields we can always look toward elsewhere , if neces- sary, to bring in and to provide the labour force, but I think it would not be necessary .

Now, the idea of security which the Doctor raised, I think that is completely outmoded in thinking, because in these days security is not tied down with population .

Everybody knows that.


Small countries with small populations have ruled countries of tremendous populations and have shown to be very powerful militarily and it is not necessary to have a large "cannon fodder ."

So long as it is a voluntary scheme, I think there is nothing wrong in having this and it must go hand in hand in a comprehensively set out arrangement for the development of our nation.

This is necessary.
This is necessary.

So long as it is voluntary , I do not see why anybody should take great objection to it, because nobody is being compelled to do it and this is the modern trend; this is not merely confined to our The society is not in a position to help but that does not mean that we should think in the Chinese community, the country.
Throughout the world this 1437 28 MARCH 1966 1438 population explosion is considered to yang belum beranak lagi dia jadi bidan be a very serious challenge, and parti- tidak apa, fasal beranak ini kalau di- cularly in the developing countries.

It lateh dia membidan orang yang hendak has been feared that between 1960 and beranak tidak jadi masaalah.

Tetapi ini 1970 there will be an increase of Family Planning, lain.
Ambil satu population in the neighbourhood of orang yang belum tahu hat, dia hendak about 300 millions and developing tahu hal susah kita.

Jadj ini-lah perkara countries cannot afford the luxury of yang saya rasa kalau Lembaga ini this great population explosion until berjalan kalau boleh bagaimana and unless they have provided a good sekarang anak2 dara itu tidak usah-lah standard of living.
Today, New Zealand di-masokkan bekerja dalam Lembaga and Canada can expect a more popula- ini untok di-beri kursus pada orang tion because they are in a position to tua.

Ini satu ingatan saya kapada provide a good standard of living.

They Lembaga ini supaya jadi di-selamatkan have got that as a premise.

Having had anak2 dara kita.

that as a premise, they could attract people.

Now, our immediate task is to give a good standard of living to our people.
Then, if we need people we can even increase our population by openly encouraging more population or even attract population from other sources.

Therefore, it is a matter of priority.

Let us not confuse ourselves there and I think the learned Doctor seems to have made his emphasis in a different sort of way and I do not agree with him.
I think this Bill is a useful Bill and I am particularly glad, and I share with the learned Doctor's view in that we have a very able Minister who is put in charge of this very important matter.

Thank you.

Nik Hassan bin Nik Haji Yahya: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menyokong Bill mi.

Chuma saya hendak bagi satu ingatan sahaja kapada pehak yang ber- kuasa apabila menjalankan pekerjaan lembaga ini.
Daripada apa yang berlaku hari ini pertubohan2 sukarela meng- awalkan beranak ini, kalau saya perhatikan ini perkara kechil sahaja, tetapi perkara kechil pun satu perkara yang patut mendapat perhatian, is-itu pada biasa-nya di-ambil orange muda Sa-lain daripada itu saya rasa Bill ini patut di-sokong oleh semua orang, fasal Bill ini bukan-lah menjadikan paksaan kapada ra`ayat mesti jangan beranak.

Jadi chuma ini satu galakan untok mengawal, menjaga satu2 family supaya sehat, supaya baik.
Jadi ini satu chara yang baik untok kita jagakan keluarga ra`ayat kita.

Jadi kalau dengar daripada pembangkang berchakap dari- pada Dato' kita berchakap banyak orang berchakap itu sa-olah2 Bill ini datang semua orang tidak boleh beranak, mesti di-jaga.

Ini tidak betul.

Jadi sa-olah2-nya ini undang2 akan berjalan dalam negeri kita nanti ra`ayat sudah tidak bertambah lagi.
Kita ada sekarang, umpama-nya, sa-puloh juta sa-puloh juta-lah, barangkali harus tahun hadapan bertambah satu juta, 500,000 sahaja, jadi sa-olah2-nya satu kawalan yang terpaksa di-kawal peng- hidupan ra`ayat sa-hingga hendak ber- anak pun, macham satu daripada pembangkang kata macham kita mem- bunoh anak.

Ini tidak betul.

Ini bukan membunoh, ini satu kawalan yang memberi kesihatan kapada ibu itu.

Kalau mahu beranak ini chara mahu buat, kalau tidak mahu beranak, ini yang belum kahwin lagi.
Anak2 dara chara mahu buat, jadi macham kursus di-lateh menjadikan pegawai untok sahaj a. Jadi ini bukan-lah paksa awak memberi kursus berkenaan dengan j angan beranak mesti paksakan j angan kawal beranak mi.

Jadi pegawai ini beranak semua ra`ayat ini kachau nanti is-lah satu pegawai hendak memberi pelajaran, kita tidak boleh adakan kursus kapada ibu yang hendak sekolah tidak boleh ekonomi itu mi.

mengawalkan beranak mi.

Jadi kalau Ini perkara lain, ini perkara nasehat.


ambil anak dara lagi, yang belum Kalau awak mahu beranak lima orang, kahwin lagi, yang tidak tahu apa lagi, ini lima orang chara buat, kalau mahu jadi ini satu perkara yang saya fikir beranak lebeh tahun hadapan ubahkan tidak elok benar.

Kalau bidan tidak apa.

Kalau bidan, kita ambil bidan chara boleh beranak lagi (Ketawa).

Bukan kata mesti potong semua, ini 1439 kaseh.

28 MARCH 1966 1440 bukan chary lain.


Jadi saya tidak nampak-lah bahaya-nya, fasal itu kaum ibu kita di-sini tidak berchakap benda ini baik, itu-lah sahaja Dato', terima atau daripada Kerajaan P'usat yang terdiri, yang bangunan2 itu akan di- tambah pada tahun ini tetapi nampak- nya....... dan menyemak; sebab saya orang dapat paksa.

Dato' Pengiran Mohdo Digadong Galpam : Dato' Yang di-Pertua, di-sini saya suka berchakap sadikit berkenaan Rang Undang2 mi.

Saya menyokong penoh-lah.


Hanya di-sini saya minta pada yang berkenaan sa-kira-nya apa yang terjadi di-Dewan Ra`ayat saga orang minta-lah yang orang dari Sabah atau dare Sarawak dapat awal sadikit menerima Rang Undang2 ini supaya saga orang boleh menengok, membacha membawa usul2 ka-dalam Dewan ini oleh kerana macham kita orang jauh di-Sabah atau pun saya fikir di- Sarawak selalu lambat menerima-nya sebab tempat itu jauh.
Berkenaan pose pun selalu kita orang punya surat2 daripada Pusat ini yang kita orang sudah sampai sini surat itu baharu sampai di-sana.

Jadi kita orang tidak dapat bacha segala2-nya atau pun memerhati mana yang mustahak kita orang bawa ka-dalam Dewan ini.

Saya fikir saya ada juga mahu berchakap berkenaan keadaan di-Sabah.

Sa-benar- nya saya perchaya mana yang Ahli2 Yang Berhormat tadi sudah menerang- kan dalam Dewan ini saya perchaya memang usul itu semua kena bawa-lah ka-Dewan Ra`ayat.
Jadi yang mustahak saya suka menerangkan di-sini ber- kenaan pelajaran di-Sabah yang mana dl-ulu sungai yang jauh daripada bandar saya perchaya tidak chukup kaki-tangan di-sana.

Jadi kalau-lah ada peluang atau pun bantuan daripada Kerajaan Pusat minta-lah kapada Menteri yang berkenaan supaya me- Mr President : Ini bukan perkara Polis, bukan perkara sekolah, kerana kawalan keluarga, mengawal beranak, Family Planning, bukan fasal sekolah tetapi .

.

.

.

.

.

.
.

.

.

.

.

.

Datu Pengiran Mohamed Digadong Galpam : Terima kaseh.

Tuan Haji Ahmad : Dato' Yang di- Pertua, saya mula2 ta' mahu berchakap dalam Rang Undang2 ini, tetapi ter- Mr President : Ya, chakap-lah.

Tuan Haji Ahmad : Tuan Yang di- Pertua, bukan sa-bagai sa-orang yang ada anak banyak, atau pun tidak ada anak, bukan sa-bagai sa-orang yang berkeluarga mempunyai keluasan atau rnempunyal keluarga yang susah, tetapi soal-nya satu sahaja.

Saya rasa saya susah menyetuj ui Rang Undang ini.


Saya sa-orang daripada- nya, susah sadikit, susah satu sahaja, bukan-lah sa-bagai sa-orang ahli Dewan ini, dan jelas-nya sa-orang sa- bagai sa-belah Kerajaan tidak tetapi sa-bagai sa-orang yang bertanggong- jawab dalam hal-ehwal yang berkaitan dengan ugama Islam menjadi ugama rasmi bagi negara ini.
Kita takut soal keluarga kalau anak banyak, tentu men jadi susah, sekarang ka-mana hendak di-larikan din, Tuhan ber- tanya : "ada-kah kamu yang mengageh2- kan ne`mat2-ku atau aku?"

Hendak jawab apa?

(Qur'an).

Dalam Qur'an yang di-pertandingkan dalam majlis2 nambah pegawai2 is-itu guru2 ka- membacha Qur'an tiap2 tahun "kamu- Sabah.

Yang saya ketahui masa saya kah yang mengageh2kan rezeki atau melawat kali ini ka-Kilang Pasangan aku ? "

Apa kita hendak j awab ?


Seb ab yang banyak kekurangan buku2, jadi itu saya susah memikir-n_ya.

Dalam dari itu juga-lah budak2 sekolah di- pada itu dia sendiri yang berkata yang sana susah hendak maju dalam pelajaran oleh kerana buku2 itu sangat kurang.
Kedua-nya, saya suka juga ber- chakap di-sini berkenaan Balai2 Polis yang mana saya ingat sudah dapat kebenaran-lah daripada Dewan Negara mengageh2kan yang kami, erti-nya Tuhan, penghidupan mereka itu kami yang mengageh, keadaan kedudokan mereka itu bertaraf2, bertingkat2, kami yang membuat untok menyenangkan pemerentahan, menjalankan pemeren- tahan.
Ini-lah satu soalan yang amat berat kalau-lah perkara ini saperti 1441 28 MARCH 1966 1442 mana ada juga wakil2 atau ahli2 yang hendak buat jahat, bagitu juga yang berchakap perkara ini sukarela, ya, l ain2.

kalau sukarela tidak payah bawa Rang Undang2 dalam masing2 Majlis; kalau tidak gamak susah orange perempuan.
Mithal-lah ada juga orang perempuan bukan nanti anak sampai empat, lima, ada juga perempuan2 yang tidak tahan mengandong, bila mengandong bermacham2 bala yang turun ka-atas- nya, azab bermacham sa-hingga dari- pada mengandong hingga sudah lahir ta' pernah sehat, itu ada jalan, itu ada dzarurat.
Tiap2 perkara dzarurat boleh di-ubati, di-beri ubat atau pun jelas-nya kalau boleh biar sampai dia tidak beranak pun tidak apa-lah, kerana kita tahu kalau beranak dia mengan- dong susah, azab bermacham2 chara-- itu di-dapati banyak perempuan2 yang macham itu.

Itu perkara dzarurat, kita tolak, sebab tiap2 perkara dzarurat di-dalam shara' jangan kurang, kalau dzarurat benar2 dzarurat.
Tadi ada berbangkit sadikit sa- banyak, sunggoh pun ada daripada ahli2 yang menyetujui tetapi di-pinta ta' usah-lah gadis2 bekejar2 sa-macham ini.

Ya, itu betul, kerana hal-ehwal keluarga, hal-ehwal beranak hendak menjarangkan anak semua-nya ini tahu oleh orange sudah berkawin.

Betul, kalau orang yang tidak berkawin ta' usah-lah.

Hendak tahu sakit, tanya- lah orang yang sakit, j angan-lah tanya doktor.
Tanya doktor ta' jadi, orang yang sakit tanya dia, dia tahu- lah, ini orang yang tidak pernah beranak apa dia tahu?

Itu betul, tetapi soal perkara ini bila sudah jadi galakan lebeh2 lagi perkara, apa orang sekarang itu kata, busong-kah apa ta' tahu, saya pun tidak berapa mengerti.

mi lagi satu berlaku jadi dengan adat isti`adat usaha menjarangkan anak atau pun menchegah daripada beranak, tetapi tujuan kita berseh, macham ada tunj ok dalam filem itu-lah atau dalam television, di-pertunjokkan.
Saya mithal- kan kita pertunjokkan bagaimana hendak menchegah orang churi motokar, orang yang ahli motokar tentu hendak mengambil jalan macham mana hendak menchegah fasal moto- kar.

Tetapi yang kebanyakan-nya menchari orange yang tidak ada kerja, menchari macham mana chary dia Jadi, perkara ini tujuan kita balk hendak menchegah orang yang tidak tahan atau ibu yang anak banyak, tetapi perkara ini akan di-ambil Pula oleh orange yang tidak suka beranak.
Dalam pada itu maalum sahaja, melarat-lah, bila ada ubat melarat sebab apa?

Yang di-gadoh malu ini bila tumboh satu kejahatan; maalum- lah dunia social sekarang bila balek dia berkembong sadikit nampak orang, atau pun tidak nampak lagi pokok asam tentu masing2 tengok fasal apa hang makan asam?

Itu-lah bila makan asam sudah ada rahsia di-dalam itu.

Jadi sekarang tidak ada lagi sebab ada benda itu hentam sahaja ta' dapat tahu yang ini pun ta' naik, asam pun tidak makan (Kefawa).
Jadi, sa- olah2 kita membawa ini sunggoh pun sukarela, jadi yang hendak mengambil itu banyak perkara maalum seronok itu yang banyak daripada yang tidak seronok.

Jadi, saya bukan hendak menentang, tetapi lemas oleh sebab Rang Undang2 ini di-bawa di-dalam Majlis ini, kerana saya takut ke- dudokan sa-bagai sa-buah negara yang merasmikan Islam jadi ugama rasmi takut kita bertentangan pula.

Oleh itu Dato' Yang di-Pertua, apa yang mustahak di-buat .

.
.

Mr President : Sudah pukul satu, saya fikir saya gantongkan persidangan ini hingga pukul 2.15 petang mi.

Tuan Haji Ahmad : Terima kaseh, Dato' Yang di-Pertua.

Sitting suspended at 1.00 p.m.

Sitting resumed at 2.15 p.m. (Mr Deputy President.


in the Chair) EXEMPTED BUSINESS (Motion) Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr Deputy President, Sir, I beg leave to move : That notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 11 the Senate shall not adjourn until consideration of all business on the Order Paper for today has been completed.

28 MARCH 1966 1444 Che' Aishah binti Haji Abdul Ghani: susah?

Sebab keluarga banyak-kah?

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menyo- Di-mana datang -nya bagitu punya 1443 kong.
Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 11 the Senate shall not adjourn until consideration of all business on the Order Paper for today has been completed.

ADJOURNMENT SINE DIE (Motion) Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr Deputy President, Sir, I beg leave to move : That at its rising today the Senate shall stand adjourned sine die.

Che' Aishah binti Haji Abdul Ghani: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menyo- kong.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That at its rising today the Senate shall stand adjourned sine die.

THE FAMILY PLANNING BILL Second Reading Mr Deputy President : The debate on the Family Planning Bill continues.

Debate resumed.
Debate resumed.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Dato' Yang di-Pertua, bagi menyam- bong balek uchapan saya tadi, saya tidak-lah hendak memanjangkan uchapan saya ini, tetapi chuma ada sadikit sa-banyak soalan2 yang saya akan kemukakan dalam uchapan saya is-itu, apa-kah yang menyebabkan Rang Undang2 ini di-bawa dalam Dewan ini?

Barangkali tentu jawapan- nya kerana ikhtiar besar hendak mengechilkan keluarga.

Dalam pada itu terpaksa-lah kena tanya lagi, apa fasal hendak mengechilkan keluarga?
Tentu dia akan di-jawab pula kerana hendak membeli lain2 yang baik kapada keluarga itu.

Kalau anak banyak susah sadikit, hidup pun susah, ma alum sahaja.

Baik !

Pada masa yang lalu kita susah-kah?

Kalau ada yang hendak menjawabkan, tentu susah.

Apa yang menyebabkan jadi banyak keluarga ini?

Sunggoh pun perkara ini dalam per- hatian saya , yang hendak halusi ada- kah perkara ini sa -rupa macham mana cherita Nabi Musa dengan Nabi Hidhir?

Tentu ada yang tidak tahu barangkali apa-kah cherita Nabi Musa.
Bila Nabi Musa hendak belajar kapada Nabi Hidhir, Nabi Hidhir kata, "Engkau boleh mempelajari ka- pada aku ilmu2 hakikat sa-chara politik.

Tetapi sharat -nya apa aku buat perkara2 ganjil jangan engkau soal.

Lepas itu baharu aku cherita kapada engkau ."

Di-terima sharat itu, manakala dalam perjalanan, naik lagi sa-buah bahtera dengan ta' semena2 dengan ta' semena2 Nabi Hidhir mengopak abang perahu itu, tetapi ayer tidak masok.

Di-tanya oleh Nabi Musa , "Mengapa engkau rosakkan barang orang itu?"
"Bukan- kah aku kata jangan soal apa aku buat?"

Tetapi dia tidak perhati, perahu itu tadi ayer tidak masok (Ketawa ).

Ada-kah di- dalam itu erti2 ini satu soal, soal amat pelek dan saya harap kapada Dato' Menteri yang membawa ranchangan keluarga ini supaya ranchangan ini berjalan tidak- lah mendatangkan kerugian tetapi mendatangkan keuntongan.
Kalau di-kaji pada masa2 yang lalu, khas-nya orang Melayu yang ber- ugama Islam , manakala dia berlutut di-hadapan tuan Kadzi banyak cherita yang itu telah di-bentangkan , tetapi malting -nya si-pengganti dudok di- depan itu haram dia tidak tahu Dato' Kadzi sendiri kadang2 tidak tahu.

Jadi puncha ini-lah yang membawa kapada kerosakan ha k orang Melayu.

Kalau saya hendak buka lebeh jauh lagi dalam Rang Undang2 ini tidak tahu- lah apa akan jadi saya berchakap dalam hal mi.
Jadi saya harap muda- han2 ranchangan keluarga ini sunggoh pun ranchangan sa-chara suka rela, tetapi jangan-lah Pula daripada suka rela menjadi suka ria, ma`alum tabi`i manusia ini tertarek dengan perkara2 yang membawa kapada yang merugi- kan. Pada masa2 yang lalu, banyak chara2 yang telah kita jalankan tetapi 1445 28 MARCH 1966 1446 keuntongan-nya tidak dapat akhir- menegaskan is-itu di-dalam penyoko- nya kerugian yang dapat.
Saya tidak ngan yang saya beri ini ada mempunyai hendak menentang keras Rang beberapa sebab.

Kerana, T'uan Yang Undang2 ini, tetapi kalau perkara ini di-Pertua, banyak kita telah mendengar hendak di-jalankan juga berhati2-lah huraian2 yang telah di-kemukakan dalam perkara ranchangan yang kapada kita pada hari ini.

Jadi saya hendak di-jalankan itu, j angan di-lain nampak tidak patut sangat-lah kalau di-tembak akhir-nya di-lain pula yang masok.
mi sunggoh pun, kata saya, pehak saya tidak bangun untok mem- ber sokongan yang sama.

Tetapi amat pelek sadikit waktu saya kata sokongan yang akan saya berikan ini keluar panah biar-lah panah pada is-itu supaya pehak Keraj aan kita tempat2 yang betul jangan melayang dapat membentok satu perbadanan panah itu makan balek kapada kita atau kita kata satu badan untok sendiri akhir-nya membawakan kapada menguruskan di-dalam hal-ehwal kerosakan pada kita.
Saya memerhati peranchang keluarga, tidak saperti di-sepanjang gerakan2 yang di-jalankan.

mana yang telah sudah2.
Perkara yang sa-macham ini memang ada berlaku Jadi itu-lah sahaja, Data' Yang di- is-itu macham kelinik2 di-dalam Pertua, saya harapkan mudahan2 Dato' bandar2 yang besar sa-bagaimana di- Menteri yang membawa Rang Undang2 Kuala Lumpur atau di-mana2, ada ini pun dapat-lah sadikit sa-banyak mempunyai kelinik2 is-itu kelinik yang apa yang saya luahkan daripada hati di-panggilkan peranchang keluarga, sanubari saya yang ikhlas, kalau tidak tetapi tidak ada satu badan yang saya tidak hendak berchakap langsong mengawasi kelinik dan tidak ada per- atas apa2 juga dalam Bill ini, yang mana sesuai boleh-lah di-jalankan, tetapi bila memerhatikan keadaan yang sa-macham ini saya berasa takut macham di-tanya oleh sa-tengah2 orang daripada negeri luar macham mana arak dengan judi, jawab arak dengan judi itu dosa, tetapi ada munafa`at kapada orang, sa-balek- nya dosa lebeh besar daripada muna- fa`at itu yang saya takut.
Jadi chontoh yang saya bagi itu kalau berjalan juga ranchangan keluarga ini biar-lah ber- j alan dengan chara sesuai sebab kalau di-ambil dengan jalan ini juga-lah baharu-lah boleh di-baiki.

Saya rasa bukan macham itu, kerana tiap2 sa- orang yang hendak berkahwin dia bertanggomg-jawab, lebeh2 lagi dalam shara' dalam Islam tiap2 sa-orang yang hendak kahwin mesti mempelajari macham mana dia hidup berkeluarga.

Kalau dia tidak belajar yang itu dia tidak harus bernikah.
Jadi ta' usah-lah saya memanjangkan, Dato' Yang di- Pertua, saya takut saya ini terlajak besok, dengan panjang saya berchakap ini nanti ka-lain pergi-nya, susah sadikit, terima kaseh.
Che' Bibi Aisha binti Hamid Don: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun menyokong Rang Undang2 Family Planning atau pun Peranchangan Keluarga pada hari ini is-lah hendak hatian daripada pehak Kerajaan sendiri, bagaimana-kah chara-nya yang telah di-j alankan kerj a2 oleh pehak kelinik2 ini dan kita dapat tahu juga ada di- antara kelinik2 yang sa-macham ini telah mengenakan bayaran yang mahal untok orang yang hendak pergi meminta nasihat2 dan berbagai2-nya.
Saya harap-lah, kalau boleh, pehak Family Planning atau pun Rang Undang2 yang kita bentangkan pada hari ini dapat menjalankan tugas-nya dengan sa-benar2-nya.

Tetapi satu sahaja perkara yang saya tidak berapa ber- setuju, is-lah kalau kita hendak adakan satu nation wide family planning atau pun kita hendak jadikan satu soal yang besar, kita hendak menchegah kelahiran anak2 ini terus-menerus, ini satu perkara yang saya sendiri tidak ber- setuju.
Kalau-lah di-tanya pada perasaan sa-orang ibu, tidak ada satu masa yang lebeh bangga daripada masa dia melahirkan anak (Tepo^k).

Tanya- lah pada sa-siapa juga !

Kebanggaan sa- suatu keluarga apabila dia berjumpa dengan kawan2-nya, orang nanti ber- tanya, bukan orang bertanya berapa banyak harta dia ada, berapa banyak kebun yang dia ada, tetapi orang akan bertanya berapa orang anak !

(Tepo^k).

Kemudian, coal yang kedua is-lah pelajaran anak2, kesihatan anak2 dan 1447 28 MARCH 1966 1448 berbagai2 lagi.
Ini ada-lah masaalah tetapi untok mengadakan legal abortion yang kita sedang menghadapi sekarang in i, saya tentang dengan sa-keras-nya.

mi.
mi.

Saya nampak di-dalam soal2 yang Tetapi dengan chary peranchang ke- sa-macham ini, tentu-lah kita akan luarga is-itu kita menjaga terlebeh menghadapi pula, kalau sa-kira-nya dahulu sa-belum berlaku sa-suatu ata.u dapat di-amalkan pula di-kawasan2 luar bandar di-kawasan2 kampong, - pun sa-belum kita tahu kita mengan- dong baharu kita hendak menjaga yang saya hendak bri renongan sadikit makan ubat-rya, itu tentu salah dari kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri kita segi undang2.
is-itu Yang Berhor mat Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari, yang telah di-tugaskan satu tugas yang berat is-itu hendak menyampaikan pula kapada pehak2 orang kita yang ada di-kampong2 nanti.

Masaalah-nya yang mereka itu tumpu- kan kapada kita, peas-kah sudah hati pehak Kerajaan kita is-itu dengan banyak-nya pendudok2 yang ada di- dalam negeri kita, terutama sa-kali orang Melayu, kalau kita tumpukan di-kampong2 nanti?

Soul ini sangat payah kita hendak menyelesaikan.


Apa-kah kalau di-katakan prang Melayu kita banyak sangat yang tinggal di-kampong2 nanti ?

Kerana apa-kah pehak Kerajaan kita tidak membantu mereka dalam hal-ehwal persekolahan mereka atau pun di-dalam hal-ehwal mengatasi ekonomi mereka dan ber- bagai2 lagi.

Masaalah kita yang hen- dak meranchangkan keluarga, hendak menchegah beranak yang banyak sangat , tentu -lah susah di -terima oleh mereka itu.
Kerana pada mereka pada keselurohan-nya, mereka tentu tidak bersetuju terutama sa-kali dari segi ugama.

Tentu orang kita selalu salah faham.

Saya perchaya kapada prang yang mengerti bila menyebut peran- chang keluarga , memang kita berjaga terlebeh dahulu sa-belum terkena supaya tidak berlaku saperti mana yang di-suarakan oleh Yang Berhormat Dr Cheah Toon Lock tali is-itu hendak adakan legal abortion.

Ini saya memang tidak bersetuju (Ketawa', hendak menggugorkan anak daripada kandongan .
Ini sate perkara yang zalim , tidak ada sa-orang bapa, tidak ada sa -orang ibu di - dalam dunia ini yang t.idak membantah (Te pok).

Sa- hinggakan oran2 yang tidak bertamad- dun yang tinggal di-dalam hutan rimba sa-kali pun dia sayang kapada anak- Jadi, saya rasa pehak Kerajaan kita, kalau-lah kita dapat alehkan sadikit, kalau Wang yang kita hendak untokkan kapada Family Planning itu tadi, katakan berjumlah tetapi saya tidak nampak banyak mana: jumlah dia itu- $1 juta atau pun sa-tengah juta ringgit.
Saya memohon dengan segala hormat- nya, kalau boleh, kita tumpukan memberi bantuan kapada prang yang banyak anak sahaja.

Ini baharu betul2, saya katakan peranchang keluarga yang berguna ia.-itu kita berikan bantuan2 kapada mereka itu.

Mithal -nya satu keluarga yang mempunyai anak yang terlampau banyak, pendapa tan-nya sadikit, apa-kah yang sa-benar-nya kerja2 badan peranchang keluarga ini dapat memberi tumpuan kapada mereka itu.
T'olong mereka itu dala.m masaalah ekonomi dan masaalah social dalam negeri kita .

Saya rasa , itu lebeh berguna daripada kita pergi meneriak ka-kampong2 bahkan kita sendiri akan mendapat kechaman2 yang hebat nanti is-itu macham saya kata pada multi tali is-itu kita, orange Melayu, akan menzalimkan keturunan-nya di-mana yang akan datang.
Saya rasa itta sahaja , Data' Yang di- Pertua , yang dapat saya kemukakan dalam masaalah kita membinchangkan Family Planning Bill ini , tetapi saya menaroh sa - penoh2 harapan kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri kita , supaya dapat-lah menyelesaikan masaalah ini dengan baik dan gunakan-lah kesem- patan di-dalam kita hendak melaksana- kan peranchang keluarga tadi untok memberi munafa`at yang lebeh kapada orange yang lebeh susah untok men- dapat tempat yang baik dalam negeri kita.
nya, walau pun dia terpa:ksa memberi Sekian sahaja , Dato' Yang di- makan buah2an kayu di-dalam hutan, Pertua, terima kaseh.

1449 28 MARCH 1966 1450 Enche' Abdul Samad bin Osman: Tuan Yang di-Per tua, saya bangun sa- benar-nya hendak menyokong Bill ini, kerana ranchangan hendak mengurang- kan keluarga itu memang balk, tetapi sa-telah mendengar uchapan Yang Berhormat rakan wanit.a saya, Puan Bibi Aishah tadi.

saya pun takut hen- dak menyokong.


Jadi kita dengar baharu2 ini Yang Berhormat puan itu berkata, pandangan segi perempuan ini habis sho' dalam dunia ini is-lah masa dia hendak beranak sahaja (Ketawa).

Jadi oleh sebab itu kalau banyak kali mereka beranak, banyak kali-fah kurang lama besar-nya dengan negeri Jepun .

Tetapi umat kita chuma ada 10 juta orang tetapi negeri Jepun ada sa-banyak 100 juta orang.
Jadi kita chuma ada 1/10 sahaja daripada negeri yang bestir macham Jepun yang kita boleh kata densely populated.

Jadi di- ikut population punya figure, kita ini boleh di-katakan under populated.

Jadi oleo sebab kita under populated itu, tidak-lah mustahak pada pandangan saya , kita mengurangkan lagi ra`ayat kita , sudah tentu kurang , hendak di- kurangkan lagi.

Macham kata dalam i`lan, sudah puteh hendak pteh pula, mereka dapat sho' (Ketawa).

Jadi kita sudah terang hendak terang pula.


buat satu undang2 ini untok menchegah sho' ibu ini.

Nampak-nya tidak kena sangat, maka dengan kerana itu saya nampak, soya pun tidak berani Che' Bibi Aishah binti Hamid Don: Ma`af, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, untok penjelasan.

Bukan merasa sho' tetapi merasa bangga !

Jadi satu perkara rasa saya bunt perhatian tuan2, is-lah masa sekarang kita ada konferantasi dengan Indonesia, sudah dua tahun.
Sa-kira -nya kalau kira macham negeri Jepun ada 100 juta umat, kita jikalau ada konferantasi sa- kali pun saya ingat tidak -lah pay ah kita meminta bantuan daripada rakan2 kita daripada England , Australia dan Enche' Abdul Samad bin Osman: New Zealand, manpower atau ashkar.

Ma`af, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bangga itu saya ma`anakan sho'-lah lebeh kurang (Ketawa).

Tuan.
Tuan.

Yang di-Pertua, saya fikir yang habis sesuai kalau hendak buat undang2 ini is-lah patut di-buat situ Rang Undang2 menjarangkan emak daripada menjarangkan anak.

Jadi apa guna kita buat undang2 menjarangkan anak, tetapi emak-nya yang satu ini jadi Kalau kita hendak meminta pun, menchukupi -lah dengan ra`ayat kita yang berjuang sa -bagai p rajurit atau volunteer, memadai -lah kita meminta material sahaja saperti guns, cannons atau apa2.
Jadi kalau-lah kita balek sa-mula kapada tawarikh dunia ini , tiap2 lebeh kurang 50 tahun sa-kali tentu ada satu perang.

Walau sekarang ini sampai empat.

Bagaimana hendak zaman nuclear, semua orang takut menjarangkan anak kalau emak-nya fasal hydrogen bom, atom born, bertambah!

(Ketawa).

Barangkali lebeh sesuai-lah kalau Kerajaan membuat undang2 menjarangkan emak, kerana yang demikian akan menjarangkan anak ini juga, kerana orang Islam b^leh menikah sampai empat, tidak siapa boleh chegah lagi.
Kalau empat ibu-nya, anak-nya kurang, tidak betul sangat-lah !

(Ketawa).

Satu lagi perkara, T'uan Yang di- Pertua, nampak-nya pada masa seka- rang ini, saya fikir, perkara menjarang- kan anak bagi negeri kita ini belum-lah sampai masa-nya dan tidak patut-lah kita beri satu benda saperti top priority.

tetapi macham mana pun perang mesti ada.


Itu sudah tentu , apabila perang , kalau kita ada umat sadikit katakan -lah 10 juta kalau-lah pepe- rangan datang , kita harus kalah, sa- tengah ribu orang kita harus habis.

Jadi ma`ana- nya, bila perang datang, orang kita pun kurang.

Kalau kita sekarang ini kurangkan lagi ra`ayat, perang lagi hendak datang, orang kurang.

Itu saya kata tadi, sudah kurang di-kurangkan lagi.
Jadi oleh sebab memandang segi population, saya fikir tidak patut -lah kita dalam Dewan ini menyokong penoh2, kita, pehak Keraj aan patut buat undang2 Memandangkan segi keluasan Malaysia bagi mengurangkan keluarga, kerana ini, kalau kita bandingkan lebeh nampak-nya, saya nampak, tidak 1453 28 MARCH 1966 1454 1451 28 MARCH 1966 1452 sampai masa lagi.
Apabila kita sudah dapat orang kata population explosion macham India, China, Jepun, pada masa itu boleh-lah kita fikir kita adakan ranchangan mengurangkan keluarga mi.

Satu lagi, saya suka memberi p andangan kapad.

Dewan ini, kalau tahun ini kita boleh keluarkan $1,000 juta untok memajukan ranchangan kita is-itu dalam bahasa Inggeris develop kita hendak develop negez i kita menambahkan kekayaan sa- kian2, fasal apa pula sekarang ini kita hendak habiskan pula ribu2 ringgit hendak mengurangkan ra`ayat?
Sa- patut-nya kalau kita hendak develop negeri kita, beri lebeh maju orang pun tambah lebeh lagi-lah, bunt undang2 bagi sa-orang menikah 4-5 supaya dapat anak lebeh nampak ada fasal juga sebab kekayaan yang banyak itu boleh di-beri kapada orang yang banyak.

mi kekayaan akan jadi banyak, orang jadi kurang.


J adi, barangkali tujuan Menteri ini hendak beri semua ra`ayat jadi millionaire pada masa hadapan, ta' tahu-iah, kekayaan lebeh, orang sadikit less men more share barangkali banyak- lah kita boleh jadi kaya.

Tetapi saya memandang tadi dari segi population.

Saya nampak-nya tidak berapa setuju di-adakan undang2 mi.
Sunggoh pun bagitu, saya bersetuju sa-kira-nya jika Kerajaan dapat jalankan ranchangan keluarga ini di-tempat2 yang patut macham di-pekan2 atau pun di- kampong yang mana patut dengan jalan sukarela, ta' usah buat undang2, dengan j alan sukarela memberi satu tugas kapada satu Menteri supaya menjalankan dengan jalan sukarela kapada badan2 dalam negeri kita supaya perkara peranchang keluarga ini kita tidak lupa langsong.

Jadi, kita j clan-lah pendek-nya kita go slow.


Pada masa hadapan bila masa kita ada population explosion, pada masa itu kita perchepatkan kerj a. Jadi sementara ini bagi saya, saya fikir tidak patut-lah kita buat undang2 untok kita adakan ranchangan keluarga ini, kerana saya tidak mahu berchakap fasal ugama, sebab saya pun jahil, kalau saya chakap pun buat orang gelak.

Nampak-nya barangkali ada.

j uga orang ugama tadi, Yang Berhor- mat wakil dari PAS pun nampak-nya tidak berapa setuju.
Jadi, aspek ugama ini panjang.

Jadi, saya fikir tidak patut di-bawa dalam Dewan ini atas fasal ugama.

Kalau kita hendak bawa pun patut-lah kita bawa aspek atas benefit yang akan dapat oleh ra`ayat dan juga oleh negeri.

Jadi, oleh sebab itu saya boleh-lah berkata sa-tengah itu saya sokong-lah, sa-tengah lagi saya tidak sokong.

Jadi, saya kalau boleh bagi saya lebeh suka Kerajaan buatkan dengan j alan anj oran, tidak guna-lah di-buat satu undang2 dalam negeri kita pada masa mi.
Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Mr President, Sir, I must thank Honour- able Members for the support that they have given this Bill, and I must say that the Bill has generated more interest here in the Senate than in the Lower House.

This is probably due to the longer experience that people in the upper section of Parliament have over those in the lower section of Parliament (Laughter).
Of course, I would not expect a person like my good and learned friend the Honourable Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok to be able to put up a firm stand on this issue (Laughter).

He has, therefore, supported this Bill with certain reservations and has put for- ward some words of caution for which I must thank him sincerely.

I assure him that his advice and words of wisdom on the question of I.U.D., U.D.I., and so on (Laughter) will be conveyed to the Board when once it has started to function.
In support of this Bill, the Honour- able Dr Cheah made a point that we need more and more people to safe- guard the security of our country.

I cannot agree with him more, but I submit that soldiers cannot fight on empty stomachs.

We have got to find food to feed them; we have got to find clothes to clothe them.

I can assure the Honourable Member that we are not going to limit the size of families merely for the sake of limiting.
As far as I am concerned, nothing makes me more pleased than the sight of an expectant mother.

I say so because it 1455 28 MARCH 1966 1456 1453 28 MARCH 1966 1454 to said in my if- you were is a sign of activity (Laughter), a sign of life; it shows that she and her husband have not been idle (Laughter).

However, I am sure you will agree with me that it will be a different picture, see an expectant mother with one here coming, one here (indicating waist) and one holding in her hand.
I think no one here will want to see that kind of thing going on anymore without our doing something about it.

That, in essence, is the purpose of the family planning.

I As introductory remarks, we all agree that the basic resources in national development are its people, but not people living in ignorance, in poverty and in ill-health.

We want people who are healthy, who are educated, who are vigorous and towards can contribute themselves, towards development and prosperity of our country.
That is why we require family planning.

The ulti mate solution is, of course, to raise the whole the population and when that target has been raised, when everybody has a very high standard of living, perhaps, we do not have to require family planning.
Every one will automatically practise family planning, because he to maintain his standard of wants living, but the process of our achieving that goal, we must under stand that that goal cannot be achieved within a short period and in that process, we have got to do something because, as I said in my speech, the population growth cannot be allowed to outstrip the economic growth of our country.
living standards of something in With regard to the point made by the Honourable Dato' Athi Nahappan, I can assure him that it is the intention of the Government to make family planning an inherent part of national planning in the country.

sadikit berkenaan Kemudian saya suka hendak men dengan jawab tegoran2 dari segi ugama.
Saperti mana yang saya telah berchakap tadi, negeri2 Islam saperti Turkey, Pakistan dan Republic Arab Bersatu telah pun buat saperti mana yang kita berchadang saya tidak Islam hendak buat, dan kalau negara2 itu, yang juga negara Islam, yang mengan dongi banyak orang2 pakar dalam hal ugarna sudah meluluskan undang2 untok maksud family planning ini, ingat kita patut membawa soal ugama ini dalam soal family planning.
Tentu-lah kita tidak boleh berkata yang kita dalam Malay sia ini mempunyai" orang2 yang tahu fasal ugama lagi daripada, lebeh umpama-nya, orang2 yang ternama di dalam soal ugama Islam saperti mana yang berada di-United Arab Republic dan sa-bagai-nya.

Jadi daripada segi itu saya berpendapat bahawa kita patut menurut chontoh yang di-buat oleh mereka itu saperti mana negeri Re public Arab Bersatu, dia sa-lain daripada menjadi negara Islam dia juga ia-lah sa-buah negara socialist.
Di-samping dia menjalankan usaha nya untok memajukan negeri-nya, ia nampak bahawa Peranchang Family ini ada-lah perlu untok menjayakan menjayakan usaha-nya bagi mendiri kan sa-buah negara socialist yang akan tinggi menjamin kapada Jadi, saya ingat memadai"-lah saya men jawab daripada segi ugama dengan alasan itu.

yang sakalian.

ra'ayat-nya kehidupan Dan lagi, saya suka menegaskan di sini, kita bukan-lah berhajat hendak memaksa orang2 Islam, atau pun orang2 yang bukan Islam.
menerima Peranchang Family ini.

Siapa yang nampak berat sangat, sudah terok sangat atau terlampau banyak anak barangkali berkehendakkan nasihat daripada pehak kita, kita akan mem beri nasihat kita.

Kita tidak berhajat hendak menggunakan sa-chara lang song, atau pun sa-chara tidak langsong, apa 2 paksaan dalam hal ini.
Tentu-lah bersetuju Ahli2 Yang Berhormat dengan saya apa yang telah berlaku sekarang sebab mereka tidak mendapat kemu dahan2, atau pun mereka2 itu tidak mendapat ma'lumat daripada pehak2 yang tertentu.

ia-lah dengan itu ini Ada banyak gulongan kita yang belum menggunakan Peranchang Family-bukan salah mereka itu tetapi salah tidak ada jentera yang 1455 28 MARCH 1966 1456 chukup bagi memberi penerangan dan ma'lumat kapada mereka itu.
juga Kemudian salah sa-orang Ahli Yang telah menyebutkan Berhormat berkenaan dengan negara kita ini besar, maseh dua pertiga lagi dalam keadaan rimba.

Oleh itu, patut-lah kita menggalakkan banyak lagi pandudok2 memugar, untok membuka tanah2 bumi kita yang meseh lapang itu.
Saya pun bersetuju juga, memang ini tujuan kita, tetapi kita tidak mahu saperti mana saya katakan tadi, ra'ayat yang tidak sihat, kerana mereka itu tentu lah tidak dapat memberi sumbangan yang sa-wajar-nya di-dalam pam bangunan tanah ayer kita ini.

kelinik2 yang Kemudian Ahli Yang Berhormat itu supaya kita juga menchadangkan mengadakan dapat mengadakan ubat2 yang sa-benar-nya, ibu2 yang ubat2 yang baik bagi berkehendakkan pertolongan ini.
Ini tujuan kita mengadakan lembaga ini supaya dapat kita memberi nasihat, memberi ubat2 yang sesuai yang bukan merosakkan kesihatan ibu2 itu untok menjayakan mereka meranchang family mereka itu sendiri.

itu Saya tidak fikir langsong saperti tadi bahawa mana yang di-katakan dengan kita mengadakan Peranchang Family ini, maka boleh membawa kita kapada keruntoha11 moral.

Sa-balek nya, saya berpendapat dengan ada-nya ranchangan Peranchang Family, maka perkara yang sa-macham tidak berlaku.
Ini bukan-lah kita berpen dapat daripada apa yang kita lihat daripada negeri2 barat, tetapi daripada apa yang telah kita lihat saperti mana negeri dalam Asia kita, ia-itu negeri J epun.

Di-sana ada berlainan sadikit kerana orang2 di-sana mengadakan legal tidak abortion.

Kita di-sim berkehendak mengadakan legal abor tion, chuma kita mengadakan nasihat, dan lain2 untok menolong ibu2 kita sahaja.

belum ada pengalaman (experience) macham mana dia hendak bekerja sa macham ini.
Saya pun bersetuju juga, dan saya akan sampaikan nasihat-nya itu kapada pehak Lembaga.

Berkenaan dengan chadangan supaya kita mengadakan kawalan kapada kelinik2 dan juga chara2 kita menyam itu kapada orang2 paikan nasihat kampong, akan mengambil saya ingatan dan saya akan sampaikan kapada Lembaga, Lembaga itu untok di-pertimbangkan.

Saya ingat memadai-lah lagi sa-kali saya uchapkan terima kaseh di-atas interest yang Tuan2 Yang Berhormat semua, kerana mengambil berat dalam soal Family Planning ini.
Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved into a Committee on the Bill.

itself Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr Deputy President in the Chair) Clauses I to 14 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.
THE DIPLOMATIC PRIVILEGES (VIENNA CONVENTION) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the law on diplomatic privileges and immunities by giving effect to the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations (signed in 1961) and for other matters connected there with", be now read a second time.
Kemudian salah sa-orang Ahli Yang Berhormat telah menchadangkan supaya orang2 muda yang belum kahwin, jangan-lah di-ambil menjadi pegawai untok meranchang family ini.

Saya pun bersetuju juga, kerana dia Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, I beg to second the motion.
Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, at the 14th Session of the General Assembly of the United Nations of 1457 28 MARCH 1966 1458 1959, it was decided to convene an international conference of plenipoten- tiaries to consider the question of Sir, though this Bill gives legal efficacy to the Articles of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, diplomatic intercourse and immunities.
19(1, and it i certainly an improve- The United Nations Conference on ment over the existing legislation, diplomatic intercourse and immunities was convened in 1961 and met in namely, the Diplomatic and Consular Privileges of 1957, the existing law Vienna from the 2nd March to the under section 3 gives, of course, diplo- 14th April, 1961.

The then Federation matic privileges to the Head or the of Malaya participated in that Con- Chief Representative of any diplomatic ference.
At the conclusion of the mission who is entitled to immunity Conference adopted an the 14th April, 1961, what is known as the Vienna from suit and legal process and to inviolability of residence and official Convention on Diplomatic Relations premises and so on.

The same thing and Protocols concerning acquisition is accorded to the members of the of nationality compulsory settlement official staff of the Chief Representa- of disputes.
The Convention came into tive and also to the members of the force on the 24th April, 1964.

In 1965 family of the Chief Representative, or the Government of Malaysia decided of the family of any member of the to accede to the Vienna Convention staff.

This is incorporated in Part II on Diplomatic Relations and the of the present Ordinance of 1957, protocols attached thereto.
On the 9th November, 1965, the Federation de- which has been repealed in the presented Ordinance, and it is by posited its instruments of the session virtue of the fact that the Article itself at the United Nations and the Con- is annexed to the Bill, and under vention came into force for the Article 31 it is stated : Federation on the 9th December, 1965, that is a month after the Convention has been acceded to by the Federation.
The Bill now before the House seeks to bring into force some articles of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations so as to enable the Federa- tion to observe the Convention.

It will be observed that only a certain provisions of the Vienna Convention have been inserted for the purpose of giving them legal effect in the Federa- tion.
The other provisions of the Vienna Convention not inserted in the Schedule may be observed by the Federation with having recourse to the aid or sanction of our law, hence there is no necessity to include them in the Schedule to this Bill.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

"A diplomatic agent shall enjoy immunity from the criminal jurisdiction of the receiving State .
He shall also enjoy immunity from its civil and administrative jurisdiction, except in the case of: (a) a real action relating to private immovable property situated in the territory of the receiving State, unless he holds it on behalf of the sending State for the purposes of the mission;" This means that in the case of a diplomatic mission here , it enjoys the immunity from civil and criminal proceedings generally , but in the case of a civil proceeding there is an exception , that is to say , where a diplomatic mission enters into an agreement in respect of immovable property , then it is caught by this Article .
In the case of, for instance, a diplomatic agent, if he enters into an agreement in respect of a building here, say , a lease, and if he wants to take it for a period of two or three years , then in the course he enters Dato' Athi Nahappan : Mr President, into a number of covenants , terms, by Sir, in welcoming this, I should like to which he agrees to keep the premises have some clarification.
I note that in good order , in a tenant -like fashion there is no Minister around here, but and then suddenly in utter disregard nevertheless, I should like to draw of the laws of the country here and attention to one point, so that at some having kept the premises in an time or other, there will be some untenant -like manner , putting the clarification.
landlord in a very awkward situation, 1459 28 MARCH 1966 1460 rather subjecting him to unnecessary expenditure, he wants to leave the I think it should be made clear, and I have no doubt that the Ministry of premises.

What is the relief of the land- External Affairs has instances like lord?

Under this Article, it appears this.

As I look around, I do not know that he can be brought to Court.

The which Minister is in a position to give immunity does not extend, because a clarification on this point, Sir.
any agreement with regard to immov- Thank you.

able property catches him.

Supposing he leaves the premises without giving proper notice, or without giving proper calendar months notice as required by the law, or leaving the premises in a bad shape, and the landlord wants damages, under this Article he can bring him to Court.

But, of course, it says here under Article 31 that a diplomatic agent is not obliged to give evidence as a witness and that he may not submit to jurisdiction of the Court.
It is interesting because further it says: "No measures of execution may be taken in respect of a diplomatic agent except in the cases coming under sub-paragraphs (a), (b) and (c) .

.

`-(a) is related to the immovable property-' .

.

.

of paragraph 1 of this Article, and provided that the mea- sures concerned can be taken without infringing the inviolability of his person or of his residence."

It means that he does not come to the Court, and the landlord goes to the Court, gets the judgment.
The landlord now wants to execute.

Under this provision, he can execute provided he does not touch the person of the diplomatic agent nor does he enter agent.

Then what has he got left to seek remedy to recover his judgment debt?

All that he can probably look around is for a vehicle owned by a diplomatic agent.

Can he attach that under the execution?

The privilege touches only as regards the inviolabi- lity of the person and also of his residence.
Assuming he brings his motor vehicle outside, can it be attached?

That is a point of interest.

I raise this purely from the practical angle, and there may be cases where landlords might find themselves in a very awkward situa- tion, and the Ministry of External Affairs finds it equally awkward and delicate to see that some diplomat or other does not want to respect the law of the country, nor does he want to play fair.
In a situation like this, Tuan Ha ji Abdul Hamid Khan: Mr Presdent, Sir, I am sure the officers of the Ministry concerned will take a note of the remarks by the Honourable Member who will get the information required in due course, or by letter.

Uato' Athi Nahappan : I appreciate the assurance given by the Honourable Minister, Sir.

Question put, and agreed.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.
Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr Deputy President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 7 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.


Bill reported without amendment : THE WORKERS (MINIMUM STANDARD OF HOUSING) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to prescribe minimum standards of housing for workers to require employers to provide nurseries and to allot land for workers and their dependants in a place of employment, and to provide for matters incidental thereto" be now read a second time.
Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, I beg to second the motion.

The Minister of Labour (Enche' V. Manickavasagam): Mr President, Sir, the aim of this Bill is to consoli- date and revise the legal provisions into the residence of the diplomatic read the third time and passed.

1461 28 MARCH 1966 1462 relating to the housing of workers now contained in the remaining portions of the Labour Code and the various Enactments of the separate States of Malaya, so as to bring these up-to- date.
In so doing, this Bill is part of the comprehensive exercise, now being undertaken in my Ministry to review and to bring up-to-date all labour laws.

The Bill does not compel employers to provide accommodation to their workers, but merely seeks to prescribe the minimum standards to be followed where such accommodation is, or is to be, provided under any existing arrangements or agreements with their workers.
By and large, employers, especially in estates and mines, have found it both convenient and of mutual benefit to themselves and to their workers to house their workers in the place of employment itself.

Sir, the Bill itself has been very carefully gone through by the National Joint Advi- sory Council and the various Ministries concerned.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.
House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr Deputy President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 20 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

First Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Second Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.
THE CHILDREN AND YOUNG PERSONS (EMPLOYMENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to regulate the employment of children and young persons" be now read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, I beg to second the motion.
Enche' V. Manickavasagam : Mr Pre- sident, Sir, as stated in the Explanatory Statement attached to the Bill, the aim of this Bill is to consolidate and revise the law relating to the employment of children and young persons.

The present legal provisions relating to this matter are contained in two separate laws the Children and Young Persons Ordinance, 1947, and the Employment Ordinance, 1955.
Certain provisions of the law in these respective Ordinances appear to be contradictory, and the opportunity has been taken in drafting this Bill to reconcile this matter as well as to provide for certain improvements and modifications to meet the changed social and economic conditions of today.

Clause 19 of the Bill defines a child as a person under 14 years of age, while a young person is defined as a person of between 14 and 16 years of age.
This clause also permits a higher age to be prescribed for a child, if this should be considered desirable at a later date.

Clause 2 of the Bill stipulates that a child may engage only in light employ- ment in a family undertaking, or in a public entertainment under specific licence by the Commissioner for Labour, or in approved work connected with his education or training.
Clause 2 also sets out that a young person, that is a person between 14 and 16 years of age, may generally engage in any work, except underground work or work connected with electrical or moving machinery.

Both children and young persons might be employed in public entertainment, but subject to such terms and conditions as might be laid down by the Commissioner.
Female young persons are excluded from employment in hotels, bars, restaurants and other similar places, except where the establishment is under the manage- ment or control of her parent or guardian.

This restriction is imposed to safeguard the morals of such young persons.

Provision is also made in sub-clause (4) of Clause 2 and Clause 3 of the 1463 28 MARCH 1966 1464 Bill for the Minister to permit children.
Clauses 9 to 18 of the Bill provide or young persons to engage in any for the administrative machinery and other employment not specified in the the making of regulations for carrying Bill, where such is not dangerous to out the provisions and purposes of the their life, limb, health or morals.

The Bill.
The Bill.

It will be noted that the first Minister may, for the same reasons, operative Regulation is included in the declare any employment permitted by Third Schedule to the Bill, and not the Bill, to be unsuitable for children or young persons.

Sir, the present Children and Young Persons Ordinance of 1947 permits the employment of a child after the age of 8, except in public entertainment, where the minimum age is 12.
This Bill, however, does not stipulate any mini- mum age for the employment of a child, but merely specifies the limited categories of employment that a child may engage in.

This is felt to be a more flexible manner of providing for such matters, as experience in the past has shown that in certain instances children below the age of 12 may have to be permitted especially in public entertainment.
Also, while the existing law permits the employment of a child above the age of 8 as a domestic servant, this Bill prohibits such employ- ment below the age of 14.

Clauses 4 to 6 of the Bill stipulates certain conditions, such as the number of hours of work and periods of rest for the children and young persons in employment.

These provisions are similar to the existing provisions in the law.
Clause 7 of the Bill deals with the procedure in respect of licensing of children and young persons in public entertainment .

Honourable Members will also note that all employment of children and young persons in public entertainment is subject to specific licensing by the Commissioner of Labour, and conditions may be imposed by the Commissioner on such employ- ment , such as the number of perform- ances in any day or periodic medical examinations , and so on.
Clause 8 of the Bill empowers the Minister to prescribe on the report of the Board of Inquiry on the minimum wages to be paid to children or young persons in any class of work where this is considered necessary.

promulgated separately for the sake of convenience to persons who are con- cerned with the provisions of this Bill.
Sir, this Bill has been drawn up in consultation with the National Joint Advisory Council and consultations have also been held with the various Ministries and statutory bodies con- cerned to ensure that its provisions do not run counter to existing provisions in other laws.
Dato' Athi Nahappan: Mr President, Sir, I do not wish to make a speech, but under Clause 2, sub-clause 2 (a) in the case of a child, the definition of which is also in the Bill, below the age of fourteen it has been said that, "A child may be engaged in any of the following employments, that is to say, employment involving light work suitable to his capacity in any undertaking carried on by his family."
It seems to be pretty sweeping to say "in any undertaking", because it is known in Asian family sometimes children are brought up in the tradi- tional way to pick up the work of their parents and they learn by the hard way.

But can it be so sweeping as to say "any undertaking"?

Would it be advis- able to allow a family by virtue of its natural right over a child to engage the child in any undertaking?

Sometimes it is, of course, qualified by the phrase "light work suitable to his capacity".
Has sufficient thought been given to this end?

If so, what were the reasons that led to the phraseology of this particular requirement?
nche' v. Manickavasagam: Mr President, Sir, this would give the child an opportunity to help family under- takings, such as in agricultural under- taking, where the child could help parents to do some light work; and if the Honourable Member would also see Clause 2 (4) of the Bill, where it is stated that if such work would endanger 1465 28 MARCH 1966 1466 the child's health the Minister has the powers to restrict such work.
Kato' J. E. S. Crawford : Mr Presi- dent, Sir, there is only one point I want to touch on.

I notice that the age of the child is fourteen years.

Under the law at the moment children after the age of twelve have to apply for identity cards.

As soon as they get their identity cards they usually consider they could start work.
I wonder if the Government will consider amending it so that they do not have to have their identity cards until they are fourteen, so that there will be no confusion and they do not worry the employer to give them work, because as soon as they get their identity cards they think they should be given employment.

Thank you, Sir.

Enche' V. Manic avasagam : I do not think the question of identity card comes into employment, because this is a separate exercise.
Though children have to take their identity cards at the age of twelve, that does not mean that they should be given a job.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr Deputy President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 19 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

First Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.


Second Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Act to apply sums out of the Consoli- dated Fund for additional expenditure for the service of the year 1965, and to appropriate such sums for certain purposes" be read a second time.

ato' Y. T. Lee : Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya menyokong.

The Assistant Minister of Finance (Dr Ng Kam Poh): Mr President, Sir, the Bill now presented to the House seeks authority for additional expendi- ture for 1965.
Under the Financial Procedure Ordinance, 1957, the Treasury is empowered to issue money from the Contingencies Fund, pending the approval of supplementary esti- mates, to meet urgent and unforeseen expenditure for which no provision or insufficient provision had been entered in the approved Estimates.

Some of the supplements now sought refer to such expenditure which has been authorised via the Contingencies Fund.
Any sum authorised by the Treasury in such a manner must be reported to Parliament irrespective of whether the full amount has actually been spent or not.

The total supplement now sought is $51,930,248, of which a sum of $24,820,195 is charged on the Consoli- dated Fund by authority of the relevant laws and therefore needs no further approval of the House.

The amount required to be appropriated by this Supplementary Bill is $27,110,053 and this is mentioned in Clause 2 of the Bill.
The original Estimates approved for 1965 amounted to $1,598.9 million and taking into account the two supplements approved in May and November 1965 and the present supplement, the total estimates for 1965 amount to $1,735.8 million, of which a sum of $338.4 million is Third Schedule ordered to stand part charge on the Consolidated Fund.

of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.
THE SUPPLEMENTARY SUPPLY (1965) BILL, 1966 Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an The need for these supplements is already explained in the Treasury Memorandum accompanying the Third Supplementary Estimates of Expendi- ture for 1965 tabled as Command Paper No.

7 of 1966.

I will, therefore, confine myself to those items which are quite substantial and are of general interest to Honourable Members.
1467 28 MARCH 1966 1468 The largest supplement of Supply sum of $0.8 million since the original expenditure is in respect of Head provision in the Estimates has proved S. 25 Contribution to Statutory Funds, to be an under-estimate as it was with a sum of $9.6 million, of which difficult at the time of framing the $5 million is required for increasing Estimates to forecast the likely expen- the amount in the Supplies Trading diture.
Head S. 34 Royal Malaysia Department Account to $73 million; Police requires a sum of $0.84 million $4 million for increasing the amount in to meet the personal emoluments and the Inter-Administration Account to other charges for the Malaysian com- $10 million so as to cover the needs of ponent of Combined Intelligence Head- all the States of Malaysia; and $0.6 quarters in Songkhla, Thailand and the million is for augmenting the State cost of radio sets and equipment for Reserve Fund and the Personal the Police Force and its non-regular Advances (Public Officers) Fund.
The units in Sarawak and Sabah.

next biggest item is in respect of Head S. 19 Education Grants and Subven- tions where an additional sum of $7.2 million is required to meet the payment of statutory grants in respect of Primary and Secondary Schools in 1965.
Head S. 24 Treasury General Services, requires an additional sum of $2.36 million, of which $2 million represents an advance towards the $5 million equity investment in Bank Bumiputra already provided for in the Develop- ment Estimates and the balance of $0.36 million is required for supple- menting the provision for Road Grants to Municipalities.
Head S. 32 Ministry of Health requires a supplement of $1.2 million, of which $0.9 million is for meeting the cost of extra provisions needed for hospitals and $0.3 million is in respect of anti-malarial services, i.e., for settling arrears of housing allowances and wages of anti-malarial labourers and the cost of drugs for the treatment of aborigines.
Head S. 33 Ministry of Home Affairs requires a sum of $1.06 million to meet, among other things, the personal emoluments and other charges due to the increase in the strength of the Senoi Pra`ak, the expenditure on the protection of key points and the cost of emergency roads and airfields in Sabah; and the expenditure in providing financial assistance to fishermen affected by curfew orders.
Head S. 21 Ministry of External Affairs requires a sum of $0.95 million for supplementing the various sub-heads of the Ministry and for the payment of four years' advance on rented accommodation for the Malaysian High Commission and staff in Lagos, Nigeria.

Head S. 12-Over- seas Service Aid Scheme requires a Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok: Mr Pre- sident, Sir, speaking on the Supple- mentary Supply (1965) Bill, I would like to touch on Head S. 19 Education Grants and Subventions amounting to over $7 million.
I believe that part of this supplementary estimate is intended to support the children of Malaysian workers in Singapore for their school education fees, because in Singapore the fees have risen for Malaysians.

I also believe that cases have been brought to the attention of the Ministry of the penalty imposed upon the workers and the children of Malayan officers working in Singapore in respect of education.
Mr President, Sir, I believe that in Singapore school children are not required to pass the Lower School Certificate Examination, but they have to pass the School Certificate Examina- tion.

I know there is a lot of suffering by those employed by our Government in regard to this, because if their children do not pass the School Certi- ficate Examination, they are penalised in respect of work in Malaysia, because we do recognise the Lower School Certificate Examination.
So, those people have approached the authorities and also Members of Parliament to plead for their case.

They ask that they may be permitted to send their children to hostels especially meant for their children, so that their children could pass the School Certificate Examination and find suitable employment in Malaysia.

I think this penalty was not intended to be imposed on our workers and on our Malayan officers.
In that respect, may I say that the people most 1469 28 MARCH 1966 1470 penalised by the educational system of untok membuat perkara2 yang kita Singapore are the members of the anggap penting tetapi tidak terlalu Customs Service and these officers are penting sangat kapada kita yang meng- revenue producing officers, or to put it akibatkan perkara2 national terpaksa another way, the Customs Department kita mengharapkan hutang.
Gagal atau is a revenue producing department, and berjaya ranchangan national kita ber- as such, I hope, and also I plead, that the Minister of Education will look into this matter and give a remedy to those people whose children are affected.
If we could subsidise the childrens' studies in Singapore, I think it would be much better for us to subsidise their education in certain parts of Malaysia for instance, give a hostel for them nearer, either in Johore or in Selangor, for the children of the Customs officers in Singapore.

I hope that the Minister of Education will look into this.
Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Bill yang di-hadapan kita sekarang ini is-lah permintaan tambahan bagi kali yang ketiga-nya tambahan wang untok Budget tahun 1965.

Dapat-lah kita memahamkan bahawa Kerajaan telah terpaksa mem- belanjakan wang dengan kerana ini berkali2 minta tambahan daripada Dewan Parlimen.

Dan mahu tidak mahu, Dewan ini akan meluluskan juga.
Ada pun soul, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bagi saya is-lah meminta kapada Kerajaan mengingat dan menginsafi betul2 yang kita bukan-lah negeri yang besar dan jauh-lah sa-kali daripada sa-buah negeri yang kaya.
Yang demi- kian jika dapat, mari kita chuba mengechilkan perbelanjaan2 kita ke- chuali di-atas perkara2 yang paling mustahak kapada kita supaya ada persediaan kewangan bagi kita untok maksud2 yang lebeh bagi kepentingan national di-masa depan, dan memikir- kan puncha2 hasil yang lebeh baik bagi negeri ini supaya keadaan kewangan kita lebeh baik daripada apa yang sedang berlaku sekarang mi.

Daripada gantong kapada dapat atau tidak pinjaman daripada Bank Dunia dan sa-bagai-nya.
mi apa yang saya chakap is-lah bayangan2 yang pernah di- kemukakan oleh pehak Menteri2 yang berkenaan sa-belum hari mi.

Saya bagi satu mithalan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bagi sa-buah negeri kita yang kechil bagini dan tidak-lah kaya benar, sa-buah Parlimen memakan belanja $18 million tidak mustahak kapada kita, tetapi kita ingin berbangga diri kita.

Kita perlu mengorbankan sa- jumlah $18 million itu membuat bangunan Parlimen.
Kita mahu menurut tradition barat kebiasaan orang barat buat bangunan yang mendongak ke- langit.

Kita tidak mahu membuat sa- suatu bangunan yang rendah tetapi mempunyai bentok kebudayaan kita sendiri.

Kita membuat bangunan tinggi di-hadapan bangunan Parlimen ter- masok dalam bangunan Parlimen ini menchakar langit, dan bilek2 di-tetap- kan sa-bahagian untok anggota Dewan berehat dengan meja, dengan talipon, dengan api, dengan bilek ayer tetapi tidak ada siapa yang pergi ka-sana.
Kita telah membazirkan wang ra`ayat yang di-amanahkan oleh ra`ayat kapada klta.

Kita telah membuat padang kapal terbang $50 million lebeh, sedangkan kemudahan2 yang ada di-Singapura tidak dapat kita alahkan.

Yang demi- kian kita tidak dapat memanggil dan menjemput sharikat2 penerbangan dunia menggantikan Singapura dan mengambil tempat kita di-Kuala Lumpur mi.

Dan itu-lah chontoh2 bagaimana kita telah membelanj akan wang pada bukan tempat-nya dan belum tiba masa-nya.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kesulitan2 kita apa yang di-bentangkan dalam Dewan di-dalam kewangan mengharapkan Ra`ayat dan juga di-sini, nyata-lah supaya kita ber jimat kechuali dalam pada kita semua bahawa keadaan perkara2 yang paling mustahak untok kewangan negeri kita tidak-lah bagitu kita membelanjakan.

Dari sudut lain, baik, banyak ranchangan2 besar ber- gantong kapada pinjaman luar negeri.
Dengan sebab itu saya katakan tidak- saperti saya sebutkan pada permulaan tadi, sa-lain daripada berjimat kita harus memikirkan dari sudut menambah lah bijak untok membebankan diri kita puncha hasil.
1471 28 MARCH 1966 1472 Saya bersetuju dengan pendapat Yang Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri yang baharu2 ini berkata bahawa kita mahu menjalankan gerakan maju untok mengubah chara2 pegawai bekerj a, tidak mesti terlalu systematic menurut chara barat; mungkin di-England tidak sama kerana ini bekas colony-nya dahulu.
Tetapi kita harus buat chara2 kita asalkan benda itu dapat di- chapai asal tujuan itu sampai, kita harus membuat sa-suatu yang lebeh chepat supaya kita dapat puncha2 hasil yang lebeh chepat sementara itu hendak -lah di-tutup lubang2 yang menimbulkan corruption menutupkan segala punchy yang menimbulkan rasuab , sebab kalau terlalu mengadakan berbagai2 peratoran ini akan menyekat kemajuan.
Dasar terlalu melalul proses2 yang proses2 itu kalau kita kajikan tidak bagitu penting , maka di-sana-lah peluang pegawai2 menanggok di-ayer keroh.
Saya perchaya dari pengetahuan saya sa-tengah daripada Menteri2 Kabinet yang pernah bekerja sa-bagai pegawai pentadbir pada masa yang lalu, jika mereka mahu dan mengharapkan perubahan perbezaan negeri kita ini yang baik dan mengharapkan kapada perubahan dalam serba serbi di-negeri kita ini , apa yang di-katakan oleh Yang Berhormat Tun, ada-lah satu rancha- ngan yang sangat baik asalkan kita dapat mengemukakan betul2 rancha- ngan2 yang concrete chara2 pentadbiran yang concrete yang tidak mesti menurut sistem barat dari segala2 saperti yang kita biasa `amalkan.
Kita boleh menurut sistem Amerika atau lain2 negeri yang mana sahaja yang lebeh baik untok menjadi pedoman dan panduan bagi negara kita mi.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya meng- harapkan supaya kita dapat meninj au untok membetulkan susunan sistem pentadbiran kita supaya bertambah chekap, chepat , chergas dan berjaya dan kita tunggu-lah sa-jauh mana akan di-j alankan oleh Yang Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri bagaimana azam-nya yang telah di-katakan baharu2 mi.
Sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Yang di- Pertua , kedudokan kita sa-bagai sa- buah negeri yang berada di -tengah punchak pergolakan politik di-Tenggara Asia yang kita tidak dapat mengubah keadaan-nya, akan tetapi mereka-lah yang akan mengubahkan kita, hendak- lah kita perhatikan dari sekarang.
Pergolakan di-Tenggara Asia saperti yang berlaku di-Indonesia, nujum2 pak belalang kita di-sini telah meramal- kan, bahawa apabila gagal pemberonta- kan kominis di-benteraskan habis gulongan kominis di-Indonesia dan jatoh-nya sa-orang dewa Dr Subandrio dari kayangan-nya, maka tidak ada lagi-lah pressure yang akan menerus- kan konferantasi terhadap negara kita.

Rarnalan ini salah, ramalan itu tidak betel dan boleh di-permain2kan oleh orange Indonesia terhadap kita.
Saya tidak tahu hale yang sa-benar-nya sebab saga tidak pernah menjejak bumf apa yang di-katakan Indonesia itu.

Tetapi daripada apa yang kita mengikut per- kembangan, kerana mereka itu ada- Iah negara jiran, chara berfikir manusia di-Indonesia itu telah jauh advance dari oada chara berfikir manusia2 yang di-katakan manusia Malaysia sekarang ini.

Kita mengharapkan kita juga maju dalam berfikir, bukan kita m ahu mem- besarkan orang lain dan mengechilkan kita sendiri.
Kita mengharapkan kita juga maju dalam berfikir.

Dengan sebab itu agak salah apabila kita mengatakan, kominis-lah yang menjadi miang keladi yang menyebabkan timbul-nya konferantasi, maka kita telah mengechilkan alat2 lain, alat2 negara Indonesia, parti2 politik dan manusia-nya yang berfikir chara lain tidak sa-chara kominis, tetapi tahu hakikat Malaya yang sa-benar2-nya yang telah mengachau perekonomian Indonesia sa-lama mi.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Belanda bukan-lah sate bangsa yang besar yang menjajah bangsa Indonesia dan bukan sate bangsa yang 'terkuat.

Sebab itu apa- bila Belanda memerentah Indonesia, Inggeris mengikut dari belakang.

Di- mana ada modal Belanda di-Indonesia di-sana ada modal Inggeris yang besar sa-lain daripada modal Inggeris yang bersendirian.
Untok kepentingan Ing- geris yang Belanda hanya sa-bagai mandor di-Indonesia dahulu, Singapura perlu hidup sa-bagai satu pelabohan 1473 28 MARCH 1966 1474 bear, seluroh kekayaan Indonesia harus keluar melalu Singapura dan barang2-nya ka-Indonesia melalui Singapura.
Orange yang berfikiran yang hidup saperti bangsa Indonesia, yang saya katakan sudah j auh berfikir dalam politik daripada kita, mengetahui hakikat ini dan siaaa-kah yang akan membodohkan diri-nya apabila dia melihat dengan sendiri-nya, apabila dia tahu melnikirkan hal keadaan hakikat yang sa-benar-nya dan kita pun yang memikirkan dan mengetahui mengapa Inggeris Inendahulu mendarat di- Surabaya sa-waktu Indonesia meng- ishtiharkan kennerdekaan mereka, mengapa Belanda memakai uniform Inggeris membonching dari belakang tentera Inggeris bertopeng untok menjaga keamanan dan meluchutkan senjata Jepun, tetapi dengan tujuan untok menjajah Indonesia kembali, mengapa Inggeris mend ahului kalau tidak sa-suatu sebab untok kepen- tingan Inggeris yang ada di-Indonesia.
Sebab itu tidak hairan kalau bangsa Indonesia menentang Inggeris dan menentang segala ranchangan yang di- j alankan oleh Inggeris di-Tenggara Asia mi.

Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau kominis telah di-hanchorkan oleh Indonesia, alhamdullillah, sebab sa- bagai sa-orang Muslim saya tidak inginkan kominis sa-bagai sa-orang pejuang, pernah saya menulis sa-buah buku _yang menganalisakan umat Islam di-antara capitalism dan communism.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-P'ertua, soal kebangkitan bangsa2 di-Asia Tenggara yang sedang berlaku sekarang ini dengan pesat-nya, kita di-Malaysia menganggap achoh tidak achoh, kerana kita bergantong kapada ekor baju orange Inggeris.

Jadi, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, ini hares di-perhatikan oleh Yang Teramat Mulia Perdana Menteri, yang juga kebetulan-nya menjadi Menteri Luar bagi negara kita ini.
Kita j angan malu2 untok mengaku keadaan kalau ya kerana Inggeris sudah bebe- rapa kali menyuarakan pendapat mereka, mereka sedia berunding langsong dengan Indonesia untok menyelesaikan kerisis Malaysia.

Kita malu, kita hentam Inggeris.

Kalau itu soal kita mesti rundingkan dengan kita.

Apa yang ada di-dalam kelambu di- belakang tabir, wallah-hu`aalam.

Orang mengatakan kita boneka, kita malu, marah.

Akan tetapi sukar bagi kita untok mengelapkan kenyataan politik yang sedang berlaku di-dalam negeri mi.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mengharapkan kita menginsafi process perubahan politik yang sedang berlaku sekarang ini.

Harus kita insafi betul2 di-mana kita akan ka-mana-di-masa akan datang.

Kita tidak sanggup mengubah keadaan politik kita di-Asia Tenggara, tetapi mereka-lah yang di- sekeliling kita akan mengubah keadaan- nya.

Sekarang ini kita mengharapkan Presiden Sukarno j atoh Sukarno still the boss-maseh menjadi tuan di- Indonesia.
Keadaan di-sekeliling kita yang lain apa yang kita lihat di-Vietnam.

Di-Vietnam sendiri, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, keadaan bertambah merun- ching, serangan2 Vietcong telah ber- tambah mendadak berani dan Presiden Johnson pun mengharap2kan kalau ada negara2 yang boleh mengikhtiarkan supaya di-adakan perdamai an supaya dia dapat candor dan tidak malu.

Amerika telah menanggong beban yang sangat besar untok mempertahankan dunia bebas, kata mereka.
Tetapi kita pun tentu-iah ada juga faedah-nya dari- pada apa _yang di-bunt oleh Amerika bagi kepentingan Amerika.

Tetapi kalau Amerika tidak sanggup untok mempertahankan terus, dari segi moral dunia telah mula mengutok, sa-hingga di-Amerika sendiri juga ada pendapat2 tidak senang dengan sikap Amerika, apatah lagi negeri _yang di-luar bloc Amerika.
Di-Vietnam sendiri timbal angkatan2 baharu daripada gulongan2 Budist yang telah mempelupori keja- tohan Ngo Dien Diam, sekarang telah mulai menunjokkan kembali belang mereka.

Boleh jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Amerika akan bersedia mengizinkan wujud sa-buah Kerajaan Champoran di-antara non-communist dengan Viet- cong di-Vietnam dan Amerika akan keluar dari sana.

Kaiau ini terjadi, saya nampak akan terjadi, maka Laos 1475 28 MARCH 1966 1476 dengan perkongsian berkechuali demokrasi dan Kominis.
Kembo ja 95% miring kapada bloc kiri dan kalau Vietnam selesai pula, kechuali Amerika sanggup berperang terus akan meletup- kan Vietnam dengan born hydrogen-nya tidak memperdulikan fikiran dunia, maka lain-lah soul yang akan terjadi.

Kalau keadaan ini telah berubah, maka Siam (Thailand) akan menerima anchaman yang berat.
Bila Thailand menerima anchaman yang berat dari perubahan politik Asia Tenggara saperti banjir yang besar ini, negara kita Malaysia akan rnenderita dan akan menerima kesan2-nya dan akhir-nya akan menerima serangan2 korninis sa- chara berterang2 ini akan berlaku.

Sebab itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mari kita fikirkan nasib kita, mari kita fikirkan, j angan dalam membuat sa- suatu j clan kita fikirkan nasib British.

Sudah selalu kita memikirkan nasib British.

Siapa fikir !
Siapa fikir !

Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: Enche' Amaluddin bin Darns: Kerana memikirkan nasib dan kepen- tingan Inggeris di-Malaysia kita ini, kekayaan kita tidak banyak menolong peru bahan.

Kita kaya dengan hasil bumi, tetapi Kerajaan kita tidak chukup kaya kerana kekayaan itu untok orang lain.

Modal2 Inggeris s,a-belum merdeka tidak demikian, tetapi sa- sudah merdeka bertambah lagi, Ybukan bertambah kurang tetapi bertambah banyak.
Sedangkan kita fikir modal national yang patut bertambah sa- sudah merdeka kerana kemerdekaan tidak bererti hanya politik.

Kemer- dekaan hendak-lah di-isi dengan politik dan ekonomi, tetapi kita bertambah di- jajah dalam ekonomi oieh kemasokan modal2 asing, terutama modal Inggeris, yang bererti menambahkan cheng- kaman terhadap kemerdekaan politik kita sa-kali pun kita telah di-akul de facto dan de jure sa-bagai negara dan bangsa yang merdeka.

Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan yang sedang berubah?
Tentu tidak dapat.

Kalau tidak dapat, apa yang akan j adi ?

Pertentangan yang mengakibatkan peperangan.

Sejarah dunia telah menunjokkan pertentangan ekonomi, pertentangan faham antara Jepun dengan orang puteh, pertentangan ekonomi pertentangan faham di-antara German dengan orang puteh, Amerika dan sa-bagai-nya, lambat laun men- chetuskan peperangan yang rnembunoh berpuloh2 melion manusia.
Dan kalau ini terjadi di-lengkongan Tenggara Asia dan negara kita, yang akan menerima akibat-nya is-lah kita, yang akan hanchor is-lah negara kita, yang akan mati is-lah kita, yang akan musnah dan menderita is-lah negara dan anak bangsa kita.

Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, harus kita fikirkan dalam2 perubahan2 supaya kita sesuai dengan perkembangan dan perubahan dunia, khusus-nya di- Tenggara Asia mi.
Saya tidak meng- harapkan supaya kita mensesuaikan diri dengan tenaga2 kiri supaya kita tidak bergadoh dengan gulongan kiri yang sedang merubah keadaan Teng- gara Asia, terutama di-utara kita, tetapi saya mengatakan kita harus mensesuai- kan diri kita dengan perubahan dunia, khusus-nya Tenggara Asia menjadikan kita satu bangsa yang tegak di-atas kaki kita, berfikir dengan kepala kita sendiri, bertindak dengan tangan kita sendiri dan mengharapkan jaminan Bangsa2 Bersatu untok perdamaian dunia dan khusus-nya Tenggara Asia ini, sebab kita maseh kechil.
Dalam perkara hendak menambah jumlah ber- anak supaya jadi askar banyak pun Menteri kita tengah berkira hendak mengurangkan anak.

Jadi kita harus memikirkan itu, tetapi perubahan2 mesti-lah di-fikirkan dari sudut kita harus mempunyai kekuatan dan ke- wibawaan satu bangsa yang merdeka dalam politik dan ekonomi.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya kalau tidak detailkan chakapan saya ini Ahli2 Dewan ini terdiri daripada orange yang boleh memikirkan j auh keadaan kita yang sa-macham ini dapat- dapat menangkap, dapat memahami kah kita mengubah keadaan ?

Tentu tidak dapat.

Akan dapat-kah kita men- sesuaikan diri dengan negara2 tetangga keadaan2 dan mari-lah kita memikir- kan untok kita dan anak chuchu kita yang akan datang.
1477 28 MARCH 1966 1478 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa -lain dari- pada itu, saya tengok baharu dua hari yang lalu is-itu pada 26 haribulan Mach, di-seluroh tanah ayer kita ini, penyakit manusia yang mesti di- hanchorkan dan di-benteras is-lah kebodohan.

Jadi, pelajaran is-lah satu perkara yang sangat mustahak dan bahagian Tanah Melayu, telah di- Kementerian Pelajaran memegang lancharkan apa yang di-katakan Bulan Bahasa.
Kerajaan juga membelanjakan wang untok menjalankan Bulan Bahasa, kerana bertambah dekat masa perlaksanaan Bahasa kebangsaan di- peranan yang sangat penting untok membena dan membangun bangsa Malaysia yang di-harap2kan itu.

Tuan Yang di- Pertua , sudah tentu polisi Kerajaan untok menggantikan kita ini Tanah Melayu ini.
Bagi Dewan ini yang sekarang bernama bangsa tentu-lah maseh menunggu banyak tahun lagi, kerana sa-sudah 10 tahun sa-lepas Sarawak dan Sabah masok Malaysia baharu-lah akan di-gunakan bahasa kebangsaan , maka sementara itu Dewan ini tentu akan kekal meng- gunakan bahasa Melayu-bahasa ke- bangsaan dan bahasa Inggeris, kerana Perjanjian kemasokan Sarawak dan Sabah.
Sekarang ini tengkat Tanah Melayu kita sedang chuba2 menunggu tahun 1967 kalau2 Parlimen ini melulus kan, membenarkan penggantian bahasa Inggeris kapada bahasa Melayu kalau2 itu tengok-lah keadaan yang akan datang , Tuan Yang di- Pertua.

Tetapi di-luar, kita menchadangkan kapada ra`ayat supaya menggunakan bahasa kebangsaan .

Dari sekarang kita chuba ranchangan tiga bulan-entah empat bulan , tetapi dalam Dewan ini tidak ada sadikit bahang-nya sampai, kesan-nya tidak ada.
Sa-panjang pagi ini tidak siapa pun yang chuba2 untok berchakap dalam bahasa kebangsaan, di-luar kita sedang kempen Bulan Bahasa Kebangsaan , di-sini tidak ada chuba2.

Jadi, makin banyak di-taroh baja, nampak- nya makin kurang subor Dokok yang kita tanam itu.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tentu -lah ganjil kalau kita mengharap2kan ra`ayat mulal chuba2 menggunakan bahasa kebang- saan , tetapi dalam Dewan ini tidak ada sa-orang pun yang chuba2 hendak menggunakan bahasa kebangsaan supaya di-masa hadapan mereka dapat menggunakan bahasa kebangsaan yang sa-baik2-nya.

Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka menarek perhatian lagi kapada masaalah pelajaran .

Saya rasa dalam perchakapan saya ini perkara2 ini-lah yang paling penting untok saya sentoh.
Pelajaran bagi sa-buah negara sangat- warga-negara Persekutuan kapada bangsa Malaysia pada masa hadapan.
Pembentokan satu bangsa daripada keadaan kita yang bergulongan, ber- puak2, yang bermacham aneka ragam berbeza dalam keturunan , berbeza dalam keyakinan, berbeza dalam bahasa dan berbeza dalam kebuda- yaan, ada-lah satu perkara yang sangat berat yang mahu ta' mahu terpaksa kita pikul untok menchapai tujuan besar kita , menchapai sa-buah negara yang aran, ma`amor dan harmoni, Bagannana chary menchapai masaalah ini, saya merasa sangat kechewa dengan amalan yang di-jalankan oleh Kementerian Pelajaran , sebab saya perchaya sa-besar2 tanggong-jawab dalam soal ini is-lah Kementerian Pelajaran.
Polisi pelajaran yang di- -j alankan di-tanah ayer kita ini saya tidak nampak akan menghasilkan satu kejayaan, kechuali kalau keadaan sa- keliling negara kita ini tenteram, tidak ada siapa _yang patut kita bimbangkan.

Barangkali polisi sekarang ini baik dan kita akan sampai kapada mat- lamat yang kita harapkan dalam jangka panjang, tetapi suasana politik di-dalam tanah ayer kita ini ada hubongan dengan suasana dan per- kembangan yang berlaku di-luar tanah ayer, terutama di-kawasan sa-keliling.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak mengerti bagaimana akan di- kekalkan satu dasar yang mengizinkan sekolah beraneka ragam , yang di-sana di-ajar bahasa kebangsaan dalam sekolah2 Tionghua , dalam sekolah Tamil, sekolah Panj abi sekolah Siam tidak ada barangkali sekolah yang memakai bahasa penghantar Inggeris dan sa-bagai-nya di-ajar bahasa ke- bangsaan , kemudian di-harapkan mere- ka akan sama dengan orang sekolah2 lah mustahak, sebab satu daripada kebangsaan, kemudian kita boleh 1479 28 MARCH 1966 1480 bentok Malaysian Nation.
Saya tidak menerima dan memperkayakan diri- mengerti.

Kalau kita betul2 hendak nya dalam proses perkembangan membena satu bangsa hendak-lah di- national.
bena melalul satu saloran kalau betul2 kita mahu mengeluarkan satu cake yang balk yang, berchorak atau berbentok ikan, kita harus masokkan bahan2 yang dalam satu achuan-nya menggambar- kan ikan, kita akan dapat mengeluar- kan cake yang merupakan ikan, tetapi kalau kita masokkan berbagai2 aneka ragam dengan chara sekarang ini, saya tidak nampak akan mendapat hasil, mengeluarkan satu bangsa Malaysia yang bersatu yang mem_punyai satu fikiran yang sama yang boleh bekerja- sana di-dalam negara kita mi.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya perchaya tidak ada siapa pun yang memandang negeri ini, tanah aver mereka, akan menentang sa-kira-nya di-negara kita ini hanya memakai satu sekolah, satu jenis sekolah, is-itu sekolah kebang- saan, sekolah m_enengah kebangsaan dan universiti kebangsaan.
Tidak ada siapa pun yang mengharapkan mereka itu di-terima sa-bagai warga negara negeri ini dengan penoh ikhlas, dengan penoh kaseh sayang, pada tanah ayer yang inereka telah datangi dengan penoh rasa tanggong-jawab untok berkhidmat dengan negara ini di-mana darah mereka tumpah untok menen- tang wujud-nya satu sekolah yang satu jenis berbentok national, sekolah ke- bangsaan, sekolah menengah kebang- saan, universiti kebangsaan.
Tidak ada sebab, sebab kita mahu menjadikan satu bangsa Malaysia bersama2 dalam sate tanah ayer Malaysia, tentu-lah kita harus mempunyai satu bahasa kebangsaan Malaysia dan bahasa ke- bangsaan Malaysia itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-pileh daripada bahasa Melayu yang dia sudah tentu akan memenohi proses sa-bagai satu bahasa yang hidup, mungkin beberapa kata2 bahasa China akan termasok dalam bahasa kebangsaan kita, munkin bebe- rapa perkataan bahasa Tamil akan termasok dalam bahasa kebangsaan kita, saperti beberapa perkataan Arab telah termasok dalam bahasa kebang- saan kita, saperti beberapa perkataan Inggeris telah termasok dalanl bahasa kebangsaan kita, maka sa-bagai bahasa yang hidun, tentu-lah sanggup Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau kita dapat orange yang betul2 jujor kapada tanah ayer kita ini, tanah ayer Malaysia chinta betul2 dengan penoh ikhlas bagi wujud satu keadaan normal yang harmony di-negeri ini, tidak akan timbul usaha2 hendak pujok, hendak merayu; tidak mengapa tidak ada fiat Kerajaan hendak menghapuskan ke- budayaan dan bahasa2 lain tidak akan timbul itu !
Jadi, sekarang Kera- jaan bukan dalam peringkat perlak- sanaan menuju kapada satu bahasa kebangsaan bagi rnenchapai matlamat wujud-nya satu bangsa Malaysia, tetapi Kerajaan dalam peringkat seka- rang ini memujok2 gulongan demi gulongan supaya bersabar kami tidak akan hanchorkan bahasa dan kebuda- yaan tuan2.
Apa-kah satu Kerajaan ini mendapat kehormatan dari pada ra`ayat, atau satu Kerajaan yang goyang, kerana kegoyangan-nya itu- lah, maka dia terpaksa menyembah2, mengharap2kan sa-hingga melupakan kepentingan national-nya sendiri.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bahasa Tamil, bahasa Inggeris, bahasa China yang di-gunakan sekarang di-Malaya di-sekolah2 is-lah bahasa Ko You, bahasa Russia dan bahasa apa juga daripada bangsa2 besar patut-lah di- ajar di-negeri kita ini patut di-ajar di-dalam negeri kita ini merupakan sa- bagai satu Pusat Institute of Linguistic yang sa-patut-nya kita boleh mengada- kan beberapa bahasa sa-hingga bangsa kita ini kaya, kaya dengan pengetahuan bahasa2 supaya kita boleh belajar di- France, kita boleti belajar di-Germany, kita boleh belajar di-Russia, tetapi sharat-nya kita tanamkan dahulu fahaman Malaysia dan kita akan men- jadi satu bangsa yang mempunyal pendirian hantar-lah ka-mana2 pun, ambil-lah ilmu dalam mana2 pun, tidak akan merosakkan kita semua-nya kembali untok berkhidmat kapada bangsa kita.
Sekarang kita harus pergi ka- England.

Di-chelup oleh England, sernua men jadi Made-in-England.

mi merugikan kepentingan national.

Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, maksud saya 1481 28 MARCH 1966 1482 kita boleh menjalankan sekolah ke- bangsaan hanya satu, is-itu semua anak2 masok dalam sekolah kebangsa- an.

Tiap2 sekolah rendah di-negeri ini di-jadikan sekolah kebangsaan, ya`ani sekolah rendah, sekolah Tiong Hua, sekolah Tamil, sekolah apa pun juga, semua-nya hares di-jadikan sekolah kebangsaan rendah.
Di-tentang?

Meng- apa di-tentang, kalau mahu jujor ka- pada negeri ini?

Kita mahu bentok satu bangsa Malaysia, satu bangsa Malaysia yang bersatu, akan kuat, tetapi satu bangsa Malaysia yang ber- cherai2 saperti ini akan menerima ajal- nya dan keruntohan-nya pada satu nlasa akan datang, kerana proses per- kembangan politik yang sedang berlaku di-luar tanah ayer kita, di-sakeliling kita mi.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mahu berchakap atas sa-suatu2 yang baik dan saga mahu menyampai- kan satu2 yang balk, yang benar kapada Dewan mi.

Dalam Perlembagaan betul menjaga bahasa2 lain tidak akan di-hapuskan.

Kebudayaan tidak akan di-hapuskan.

Ya, tidak siapa yang mesti menghapus- kan siapa.

Menghapuskan bahasa lain itu bukan kewajipan kita, tetapi bukan kewajipan kita menggalakkan bahasa lain daripada bahasa national.

Meng- hapuskan--jangan !

Menggalakkan pun jangan.


Biar-lah sa-siapa yang ber- chakap di-rumah-nya dengan ibu bapa- nya yang dia suka, tetapi dari segi national, dari segi kebangsaan, kita hanya punya satu, is-itu satu bahasa bagi satu bangsa di-dalam satu tanah ayer.

Kita hares mempunyal satu.

Sekarang ini kita main olok2.


Biarkan sekolah jenis kebangsaan bahasa China, jenis kebangsaan bahasa Tamil, jenis kebangsaan bahasa Inggeris, buka sekolah kebangsaan sekolah yang paling tinggi taraf -nya konon; sekolah yang paling tinggi konon-nya, sekolah yang paling tinggi is-lah sekolah ke- bangsaan, tetapi di-katakan kapada ibu bapa, ibu bapa tidak di-paksa, dia boleh masok ka-mana2 yang dia suka.

Jadi, ibu bapa ini tertarek ka-sana.

Ibu bapa ini tertarek ka-sini.


Sekolah ke- bangsaan ini tinggal juga, nama-nya tinggi, tetapi quality-nya rendah, macham Dewan Negara ini juga.

Nama-nya terlampau tinggi, tetapi pandangan orang terlalu rendah rubber stamp dan sa-bagai-nya.

Jadi, kita tidak mahu di-katakan bagitu.

Sekolah kebangsaan is-lah sekolah yang paling tinggi •taraf-nya.

Mengapa tidak semua anak2 warga-negara kita masok ka-sekolah kebangsaan?

Mang- apa tidak boleh?

Oh!

democracy, menjaga hati ra`ayat.


Mengapa pada masa dahulu sa-belum merdeka ada sekolah kebangsaan, kebebasan untok sekolah bangsa acing membuka sekolah, men jadi warga-negara; bahasa China dan Tamil ada sekarang ini.
Sekolah Inggeris tidak di-pujok2, tetapi ramai orang meminta-nya, berchampor China, berchampor keturunan India, ber- champor keturunan Melayu dan sa- bagai-nya di-dalam satu sekolah, ter- bentok-lah satu gulongan manusia, satu mentality yang berfikir hampir2 sama di-antara beberapa gulongan ra`ayat dalani negeri ini dari sate sekolah ka- satu sekolah.
Mengapa boleh jadi bagitu dan tidak boleh berlaku dalam sate sekoiah kebangsaan apabila kita mahu membentok satu bangsa, satu bangsa Malaysia, melalui satu bahasa kebangsaan?

Kerajaan tidak bersunggoh2 dalam perkara mi.

Tidak ada jaminan bagi anak2 yang keluar daripada sekolah kebangsaan.

Tidak ada attraction.

Siapa mahu menghantar anak2-nya?


Saya oleh kerana perasaan kebangsaan ter- lalu kuat, saya hantarkan anak saya kapada sekolah kebangsaan, sa-kali pun dengan penoh kesedehan dan lelehan ayer mata memikirkan jaminan hidup anak saya masa hadapan.

Apa bodoh-kah saya tidak menghantar anak saya ka-sekolah Inggeris yang mendapat priority dalam kehidupan sekarang ini dan jaminan masa hada- pan--tidak bodoh.
Saya sudah me- mikirkan semua, tetapi apa erti-nya berchakap untok menegakkan kebang- saan, kalau hanya pura2 chuba menipu orang lain, tetapi kita meng- agongkan bangsa penjajah dan bahasa pen jajah, mengekalkan sa-sudah mer- deka.

Itu bukan kena pada tempat-nya.

Mari kita chuba menjadikan satu jenis sekolah sahaja, dan sa-lain dari bahasa kebangsaan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mahu dua bahasa lagi di-wajibkan di- dalam sekolah2 kebangsaan is-itu bahasa Inggeris dan Arab.
1483 28 MARCH 1 966 1484 Boleh jadi tuan2 tidak mengerti nilaian Bahasa Arab, tuan2 akan me- mandang kechil.

Wah !

itu fikiran ahli ugama tidak !

Bahasa itu mempunyai mutu, kalau is di-mengertikan betul2.

Sa-waktu saya dalam sekolah Arab di-Pulau Pinang, sa-orang professor daripada Franchis pernah berchakap di-sekolah saya menyatakan, "Tuan2 beruntong kerana dapat mempelajari bahasa Arab, kerana dia bahasa undang2."

Bahasa Arab ada-lah bahasa al- Qur'an, is-itu bahasa undang2.
Saya kata betul apa yang di-katakan, kerana kita dapati bahawa sa-nya Qur'an itu ada-lah sumber segala hukum2 untok mententeramkan dunia.

Jadi, kata professor itu, tuan2 beruntong, kerana tuan2 dapat mempelajari bahasa Arab, sebab bahasa Arab itu ada-lah sumber undang2, puncha-nya undang2.

Ada empat bahasa patut di-pelajari kata-nya, yang pertama-nya bahasa Arab, sebab kita hidup dengan undang2.
Kedua-nya bahasa Jerman kata-nya, kerana bahasa Jerman bahasa sain, waktu itu Jerman yang paling tinggi dalam sain.

Yang ketiga bahasa French is-itu bahasa perjanjian di-antara satu nation dengan satu nation yang tetap, perkataan2-nya tidak saperti bahasa Inggeris yang boleh di-putar belit asal pandai memainkan.

Keempat-nya bahasa Inggeris, is-itu bahasa per- niagaan international.

Jadi bagus bagi negeri kita.


Saya mahu kalau dapat bahasa Inggeris dan bahasa Arab itu di- jadikan mata pelajaran wajib, dan sa-lain daripada itu kita adakan kelas2 lain, sekolah2 lain, sekolah2 bahasa, supaya bangsa kita mengetahui bebe- rapa bahasa lain yang membolehkan anak2 kita di-kirim ka-luar negeri me- nyambong pelajaran-nya, mengirim mereka itu sa-bagai diplomat di-luar negeri yang tidak jahil di-dalam negeri orang.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, usaha kita membentok satu bangsa is-itu bangsa Malaysia, biar-lah benar2 bukan olok2.

Dasar pelajaran berbagai jenis sekolah yang di-jalankan sekarang ini tidak menolong chita2 kita.
Anak2 yang keluar dari berbagai jenis sekolah ini di-didek oleh guru yang berlainan walau pun mata pelajaran-nya hampir sama di-susun untok kepentingan Malaysia, tetapi bagaimana pun watak- nya akin berbeza, dan bagaimana dapat kita menchantumkan kembali sa-telah di-galakkan mengekalkan per- kauman sa-lama2-nya, pada hal kita mahu satu nation di-bena sa-berapa segera.
Parti2 politik wujud dengan per- kau1nan , UMN O ada-lah parti per- kauman , MCA parti perkauman; MIC parti perkau man, bagaimana kita akan terus berkaum2 saperti ini pada hal kita telah menchetuskan satu keadaan politik yang menyebabkan kita ter- paksa menwujudkan satu bangsa sedangkan kita sendiri ada-lah merupa- kan gerakan2 perkauman .

Ini mesti di- hanchorkan mulai dari kita sendiri.


Saya berani menchabar PAS sendiri bukan perkauman, kami ada-lah satu parti politik yang tegak di-atas konsep dan ideoloji , terbuka kapada semua warga -negara yang menerima konsep is-itu konsep Islam.
Siapa juga warga- negara Malaysia boleh menjadi anggota biasa PMIP PAS, dan tidak saperti UMN O tidak boleh orang lain hendak masok, payah , kalau dia bukan Melayu, tidak saperti MCA kalau orang Melayu hendak masok tidak boleh , kechuali masok jadi associate member dahulu, masa itu MCA buat lottery ada-lah orang Melayu masok fasal hendak beli ticket lottery.

Keadaan i.ni tidak boleh kekal dan kita mahu satu nation, itu- lah mesti di -fikirkan .
Kita mesti ber- tindak sa-belum terlambat kerana satu nation harus melalul pelajaran dan pelajaran / perkembangan politik Teng- gara Asia , Tuan Yang di-Pertua.
Jadi , Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apa yang saya chakap pada hari ini, masaalah pelajaran is-lah satu polisi yang saya fikirkan untok kepentingan negara, untok concept , bukan untok menindas gulongan lain, bukan hendak menekan perkembangan bahasa China, bukan hendak menekan perkembangan bahasa Tamil dan apa juga , tetapi soal-nya soal national soal kebangsaan kita.
Ini mesti di-atasi dari segala2 -nya kalau kita letakkan yang ini hampir sama juga, tidak ada jaminan kapada wujud- nya satu keadaan yang membawa kapada perpaduan antara kita sama kita di-dalam masa yang singkat dan 1485 28 MARCH 1966 1486 dalam masa yang singkat itu ke- ada yang menuntut supaya Kerajaan mungkinan berbagai2 akan berlaku membuat ganti rugi atas kerugian yang maka kita akan menyesal, menyesal di-terima oleh petani2.

kemudian.
kemudian.

Pepatah Melayu mengata- kan, sesal dahulu pendapatan sesal ke- mudian tidak ada guna-nya.

Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya harap apa yang saya chakapkan ini di-likirkan dan di-dalamkan betul2 bagi muslihat kita bersama.
Kapada mereka Soal ketetapan atau pun kelewatan meletak harga padi bagi tahun 1965, telah kita dengar jawapan daripada Kementerian yang berkenaan, bahawa bagi tahun 1966 ini ketetapan akan di- buat sa-berasa awal yang boleh atau pun sa-lewat2-nya pada bulan Japan, yang mengatakan, Malaysia tanah ayer kalau ta' silap pada ingatan saya, dan mereka dan undivided loyalty itu bukti- kita berasa shukor-lah di-atas ingatan kan-lah benar2 jangan chuba main ulor2 tarek sa-hingga mengakibatkan ke- mungkinan jaminan untok pemakaian bahasa kebangsaan di-Malaya dalam tahun 1967, belum tentu berhasil akibat daripada tarek-menarek yang sedang berlaku sekarang ini.
Kita tahu demam politik sedang ada di-dalam tanah ayer kita ini, biar-Iah saya tidak membuka penyakit demam itu, diamkan-lah sahaja.

Kita mengharapkan ketenangan dan maju di-dalam keadaan yang baik, sa-terus-nya untok kepentingan negara dan generation kita di-masa hadapan.

Sekian.

Mr Deputy President: Ahli2 Yang Berhorinat, meshuarat di-tempohkan lima belas minit.

Sitting suspended at 4.15 p.m.

Sitting resumed at 4.45 p.m. (Mr Deputy President in the Chair.)

Debate resumed.
Debate resumed.

Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Ahmad: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-dalam mem- bahath berkenaan Rang Und.ang2 Per- bekalan Tambahan tahun 1965, saya suka mengambil bahagian sadikit ia- itu berkaitan dengan Kementerian Pertanian dan Kerjasama serta Kemen- terian Perdagangan dan Perusahaan.
Baharu2 ini, di-Dewan Ra`ayat banyak juga di-perchakapkan ber- kenaan dengan kelewatan Keraj aan menetapkan harga padi bagi tahun 1965 yang menyebabkan kerugian kapada petani2, pada keselurohan-nya, dan ada juga kedengaran suara yang atau pun perhatian Kementerian yang berkenaan atau pun Kerajaan kita.

Apa.
Apa.

yang saya hendak chakapkan di-sini, is-lah sa-kali pun ketetapan akan di-buat bagi tahun ini pada bulan lapan sa-lewat2-nya, tetapi apa yang biasa di-buat atau pun di-amalkan oleh Kerajaan kita dalam menentukan harga padi is-lah dengan sharat pada masa penentuan di-buat is-itu padi akan di-terima dengan harga sa-banyak $16 di-pintu kilang, atau pun padi itu hendak-lah keying dan chuchi daripada sampah dan abok atau pun daripada kekotoran.
Ketetapan yang bagini biasa-nya tidak-lah sesuai dengan apa yang biasa di-amalkan oleh kilang2 private terutama-nya.

Penetuan harga padi ini hanya boleh di-terima bagi kilang2 Kerajaan sahaja.

Jadi dalam hal ini suka-lah saya minta perhatian Kementerian yang berkenaan bahawa hari ini, saperti mana tahun2 yang lalu, is-itu ketetapan di-buat oleh Kemen- terian Perdagangan pada hal hasil yang di-keluarkan is-lah oleh Kementerian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerj asama.
Soal harga ini, kalau kilang Kera- jaan, memang di-terima mengikut sa- bagaimana penentuan Kerajaan, is-itu padi yang tidak basah atau pun padi kering, padi tidak pula di-kira panjang, pendek dan champor2.

Tetapi sa-baha- gian besar daripada kilang2 yang ada dalam negeri kita is-lah terdiri dari- pada kilang2 private yang mana beras yang di-kisar itu akan di-hantar kapada Kerajaan.
Di-dalam menerima beras pula, Kerajaan menetapkan harga dengan chara bekelas2 is-itu A, B, C dia ada category A, B, C sampai F. Jadi sa-lagi amalan-nya yang bagini menudoh Kerajaan di-atas kelambatan ada pada Kerajaan, maka sa-lama itli- ini sengaja di-lengah2kan dan sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, lah penentuan harga atau pun kete- tapan harga, tidak boleh di-buat atau 1487 28 MARCH 1966 1488 pun tidak boleti di-amalkan oleh kilang2 private, is-itu sa-lagi tidak ada classification .
Jadi hari ini biasa-nya buat masa ini , case padi2 di-kira kelas_ 1, 2, dan 3.

Kelas 1 di-maksudkan saperti mana yang saya tahu pada hari ini di-Perlis dan Kedah , is-itu padi belie yang menjadi orang tengah pada masa ini.

Itu-lah sahaja , Tuan Yang di-Pertua , sekian-lah, terima kaseh.
Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka hendak berchakap sa-patah dua ber- panjang puteh harga pada masa ini kenaan dengan Bill ini dan menyentoh $17, walau pun Keraj aan menetaukan sa-rendah2- nya $16 tetapi pada bulan ini atau pun pada minggu ini, sudah naik sa-hingga $17 sampai $17.20.

Padi champor, padi merah panjang atau pun champor , di-kira $16.20 sen atau pun $16.30 sen pada masa ini dan padi pendek di-kira $16 .
Bila kita bertanya mengapa ketetapan atau pun harga yang di-tawar-nya bagini.

Kata- berkenaan dengan Kementerian Pela jaran.


Saya rasa sudah sampai-lah masa-nya bagi Kementerian Pelalaran rnenyemak kembali dasar2 bagi mem- bantu Sekolah2 Ugama Islam bagai- mana yang telah ada dalam penyata sa-masa Rahman Talib menjadi Men- teri dahulu is-itu satu penyata bagi membantu Sekolah2 Ugama Ra`aya yang many di-susun dan di-beri ban- nya Kerajaan menerima beras padi tuan mengikut chara2 yang tertentu boleh di-buat bagitu , is-itu harga di-beri chuma bantuan yang tidak hari ini mengikut.
kelas2.
Jadi maksud saya di-dalam hal hendak menentukan harga padi bagi tahun 1966 , supaya perkara ini dapat sa-benar2 -nya sampai harga padi itu kapada petani2 yang sa-bahagian besar daripada pendudok2 negeri ini , patut- lah Kerajaan menimbangkan sa-mula, is-itu kalau -lah tidak dapat beras ini di-terima dengan tidak ada kelas, ia- itu saya perchaya dan mustahil tidak beras tetap juga akan di-terima untok kelas2 A, B, C, dan D, maka harga padi patut -lah di-timbang is-itu biar- lah ada kelas is-itu kelas 1 padi panjang kelas 2 padi panjang cham- por, atau pun kelas 3 padi pendek.
Dengan keadaan yang baginl baharu- lah dapat benar2 petani2 menerima harga saperti mana oleh Kera jaan.

Jikalau tidak hal ini pada biasa-nya di-tentukan tidak di-dalam keadaan baik kalau padi No.

1 keadaan -nya di-jadikan padi No.

2 atau pun padi No.

2 jadi No.

3 jarang sangat , kechuali kalau orange itu faham betul atas padi2 yang di-dual oleh petani2 itu.
Jadi itu-lah permintaan saya dari- pada Kementerian yang berkenaan supaya menimbang sa-mula dalam masa hendak menentukan harga supaya harga padi dapat betul2 ter- -j amin saperti mana dapat sampai kapada petani2 yang sa -benar-nya.

Jikalau tidak hal ini akan di-main2kan oleh kilang2 saudagar atau pun pem- daripada perengkat A sampai kapada perengkat bantuan penoh.
Saya, sunggoh-lah sukachita men- dengarkan usaha Kementerian Pela- j gran untok hendak menyusunkan isi atau pun sukatan pela jaran dan sa- bagai-nya bagi Sekolah2 Ugama mi.

Tetapi bagi Sekolah2 Ugama ini satu perkara yang besar yang mustahak di-timbangkan is-lah tentang bantuan.

Di-seluroh Malaysia ini bantuan yang boleh chukup di-berikan kapada sekolah2 itu.
Ada perengkat yang di- berikan x$10 satu kepala murid bagi sa-tahun, ada sekolah yang di-beri $15 satu kepala murid bagi sa-tahun dan habis tinggi yang di-beri pada hari ini is-lah barangkali $25 atau pun $20 bagi satu kepala murid bagi sa-tahun Daripada pengalaman saya dalam perkara ini, bantuan2 yang di-beri itu tidak boleh menchukupi bagi men - jalankan sekolah itu.
Dengan kerana tidak menchukupi perbelanjaan itu, maka terpaksa-lah sekolah2 ugama ra`ayat ini menjalankan pentadbiran sekolah itu dengan guru2 yang tidak berkelayakan, dengan guru2 yang tidak mempunyai kebolehan yang tinggi.
Jadi dengan kerana itu isi atau pun apa yang hendak di-susunkan dalam sekolah itu mengikut sukatan yang di- ranchangkan oleh Kementerian, sudah tentu-lah tidak dapat di-jalankan me- lainkan guru2 yang ada di-dalam sekolah itu di-beri bantuan penoh oleh yang di-jamin bagi satu sekolah itu.

1489 28 MARCH 1966 1490 Kerajaan.


Jadi kalau sa-kira-nya Kera- jaan maseh ragu2 dalam memberikan bantuan penoh kapada gaji2 guru bagi sekolah2 ugama ra`ayat ini, maka selagi itu-lah usaha untok membaiki- nya tidak dapat di-jalankan.
Jadi mengikut sa-tabu saya dalam dasar ranchangan bantuan ini, sekolah itu tidak boleh dapat bantuan penoh me- lainkan bangunan dan tapak ba- ngunan-nya dan juga guru2 di-dalam sekolah itu mempunyai sijil kelulusan_ yang tinggi yang di-akul oleh Kera- j aan dengan sa-penoh-nya, baharu-lah sekolah itu dapat meminta daripada Kerajaan bantuan penoh.

Jadi bagai- mana sekolah itu hendak mengadakan guru dengan mempunyai kelayakan yang tinggi sa-kira-nya kebolehan kewangan-nya terbatas.
Jadi ini-lah sebab-nya satu2 sekolah ugama ra'ayat itu tidak boleh naik, tidak boleh maju, tidak boleh mengadakan guru yang berkelayakan tinggi, melainkan Ker a- jaan lebeh dahulu memberikan ban- tuan yang chukup untok mereka dapat membayar gaji guru yang berkelaya- kan. dengan mengikut sharat Kerajaan itu.

Jadi saga fikir kena-lah di-kaji balek sekolah ugama ra`ayat mi.

Jadi dengan chara itu saya rasa ada baik-nya pada Kerajaan, supaya Kerajaan boleh mengawal sekolah2 itu.
Lagi pula dasar itu pun sudah lama, sudah banyak tahun tidak di-kaji dan tidak di-fikirkan, sudah sampai masa-nya hari ini patut di-kaji balek berkenaan dengan persekolahan itu.

Perkara yang kedua, bersabit dengan pelajaran ini, saya suka hendak mem- ber pandangan sadikit berkenaan dengan sekolah2 bebas.

Bagaimana Menteri Pelajaran ada berkata tadi, menjadi satu perkara yang rumit bagi Kementerian Pelajaran hendak menga- dakan sekolah2 yang chukup bagi ke- semua murid yang patut ada dalam bangku sekolah.
Jadi dengan kerumitan itu, dengan kesusahan Kementerian hendak mengadakan chukup sekolah, chukup tempat bagi pelaj aran ini, maka timbul-lah satu dasar yang Kerajaan buat is-itu kita pechahkan dasar pela- jaran baharu kita ini is-itu sekolah Jadi ini-lah sebab-nya saya kata yang di-bantu penoh oleh Kerajaan dan bagi menjaga sekolah2 ini mustahak- lah dasar bantuan itu yang di-buat dalam masa Enche' Abdul Rahman Talib menjadi Menteri Pelajaran itu di-semak kembali, di-susun balek dan, kalau boleh, di-ambil satu dasar supaya kesemua sekolah2 ugama ra`ayat yang di-fikirkan layak, ter- utama-nya di-pusat2 bandar, hendak- lah di-beri bantuan penoh oleh Kera- jaan supaya sekolah2 itu dapat mem- bawa diri-nya, menyusun diri-nya, dengan sempurna.
Saya rasa perlu saya berchakap perkara ini kerana dalam keadaan hari ini, kalau sekolah2 ugama ra`ayat ini Kerajaan tidak membelanjakan sadikit untok susunan- nya, saya rasa susah-lah sadikit kita hendak mengawal sekolah itu; sebab sekolah2 ini sekolah ra`ayat yang tidak di-bantu penoh oleh Kerajaan.

Jadi sharat2 dan perkara2 yang akan di- kenakan kapada sekolah itu tentu-lah tidak dapat Kerajaan hendak menga- wal dengan sa-penoh-nya.
Bagaimana Kerajaan telah membelanjakan wang bagi sekolah ra`ayat saperti sekolah kebangsaan, sekolah Melayu atau pun sekolah China, yang di-bantu penoh sekolah bebas.

Bagaimana tuan2 tahu sekolah bebas ini ada di-merata negeri kita ini dan sekolah bebas ini ada dua gulongan.

Ada sekolah bebas pada segi perniagaan, ada sekolah bebas yang di- bena oleh ibu bapa sendiri.
Jadi sekolah2 bebas yang di-bena, di-buat, di-susunkan oleh ibu bapa sendiri yang berkehendak pada anak-nya yang tidak ma.mpu, tidak dapat melanjutkan pela- jaran di-sekolah2 Kerajaan itu, maka sekolah bebas ini di-bena sendiri oleh ibu bapa.

Jadi sekolah2 ini di-katakan sekolah bebas pada masa ini tidak ada sadikit pun sumbangan atau bantuan, mahu pun pada bantuan tahunan atau pun derma atau bantuan daripada badan2 Kerajaan.
Jadi pada masa dahulu Lembaga Loteri Kebajikan Masharakat pernah memberi bantuan kapada sekolah2 ra`ayat ini untok mem- bina sekolah, menolong sekolah2 bebas ini untok memajukan perjalanan-nya.

Tetapi apabila wang Lembaga Loteri Kebajikan Masharakat ini telah di- pindahkan, di-masok dalam Treasury (Keraj aan), maka Keraj aan tidak dapat 1491 28 MARCH 1966 1492 lagi mengeluarkan wang itu untok ban- tuan kapada sekolah2 bebas yang mana di-bena oleh ra`ayat sendiri.
Jadi saya rasa ini ada-lah satu ke- rugian yang besar kerana Kerajaan tidak ada peruntokan untok membantu sekolah2 bebas mahu pun sekolah bebas yang di-bena oleh ibu bapa sendiri.

Jadi tidak ada peruntokan dalam Kementerian Pelajaran untok memberi grant atau pun bantuan yang bagaimana biasa di-berikan oleh Lem- baga Loteri Kebajikan Masharakat.
Jadi saya rasa perlu di-timbangkan kembali supaya Lembaga Loteri Ke- bajikan Masharakat itu di-beri juga satu peruntokan khas kapada lembaga itu supaya lembaga itu mempunyai hak dalam committee menimbangkan bantuan2 yang perlu di-fikirkan mus- tahak yang patut dapat menerima ban- tuan daripada Lembaga Loteri Keba- jikan Masharakat itu.
Pada masa ini Lembaga Loteri chuma menjalankan loteri , badan ini sudah menjadi beku tidak bergerak lagi dalam perkara membantu hal pe- lajaran , hal kemasharakatan dan sa- bagai-nya , jadi ini satu perkara yang sangat merugikan ra`ayat kita.
Jadi kalau semua masok Treasury dan Treasury menjalankan mengikut chara2 peratoran Kerajaan , maka sekolah2 yang patut mendapat bantuan daripada Lembaga Loteri Kebajikan Masharakat tidak boleh dapat bantuan lagi, kerana mengikut apa yang saya tahu ber- kenaan dengan persekolahan ini, Treasury tidak mahu keluarkan lagi melainkan kapada sekolah Kerajaan atau pun wang itu di-keluarkan mengi- kut dasar Kerajaan .
Jadi sekolah2 bebas yang di-bena oleh ra `ayat sendiri yang di-buat oleh ra`ayat sendiri itu tidak dapat satu macham galakan daripada pehak Kerajaan atau daripada badan Kerajaan .

Bagaimana kita tahu hari ini banyak murid2 anak2 yang maseh ber- ada di-dalam sekolah2 bebas yang di- bena khas oleh ra `ayat sendiri-oleh ibu bapa sendiri dengan tenaga dan harap kapada bantuan kewangan dari- pada puncha ahli2 perniagaan dan sa- bagai-nya .
Jadi kalau tidak ada galakan daripada Kerajaan berma `ana kita dis- couragekan pembenaan sekolah2 bebas bagi memberi pelajaran kapada anak negeri kita yang tidak dapat melanjut- kan pelajaran di-dalam sekolah2 Kera- jaan.

Banyak murid2 kita yang maseh kuat perasaan hendak melanjutkan pelajaran.
Saya sendiri tahu, saya ada sa-buah sekolah di-Kelantan yang mana murid2 yang tidak lulus dalam sekolah Kera- jaan apabila masok di-sekolah bebas yang saya bena sendiri, kita boleh dapat kelulusan lebeh baik daripada sekolah Kerajaan.

Mengikut pengalaman saya pada tahun ini yang L.C.E.

boleh lulus lebeh daripada 50 peratus, yang Cam- bridge boleh lulus 60 peratus lebeh, ini murid yang tidak lulus dalam sekolah Kerajaan.
Bila masok sekolah bebas sekolah di-bena oleh ra`ayat sendiri dengan kawalan ibu bapa sendiri kita polishkan anak2 itu dengan lebeh baik lagi otak-nya itu kita boleh beri satu pengajaran yang lebeh sempurna lagi walau pun guru2 itu tidak berkebolehan sa-bagaimana guru2 sekolah Kerajaan, tetapi dengan kerana kawalan, jagaan di-sekolah kita itu dengan betul2, kita boleh dapat betulkan murid itu sa- hingga dia boleh masok pepereksaan dengan kelulusan yang baik yang mana dia di-dalam sekolah Kerajaan sa-tahun dua tahun pereksa dua tiga kali tidak pass tetapi bila masok sekolah bebas sekolah ra`ayat sendiri buat dengan kawalan yang rapi, boleh lulus dengan baik.
Jadi ini satu perkara yang patut menjadi satu chontoh kapada kita jangan kita memikirkan sekolah bebas itu sekolah yang di-bena oleh ra`ayat itu tidak berguna.
Kita mesti ingat mesti ada guna-nya sebab mana budak2 umor lebeh tetapi chenderongan dia mengambil pelajaran itu ada lagi, dia masok ka-sekolah bebas dengan masok sekolah bebas ini dia boleh lulus dengan usaha, dengan jagaan, dengan kawalan, dia boleh lulus, jadi satu ke- untongan yang besar bagi Kerajaan sendiri, sebab sekolah2 bebas ini me- nolong Kerajaan menolong Kerajaan membena sekolah memberi tempat yang lebeh baik.
Saya bimbang kalau sa-kira-nya galakan sa-umpama ini tidak di-beri tenaga dan usaha ra`ayat sendiri dalam perkembangan pelajaran 1493 28 MARCH 1966 1494 ini boleh dapat sa-makin sa-hari sa- makin pudar, sa-makin sa-hari sa- makin mati nanti ra`ayat terasa dia tidak ada lagi tanggong-ja.wab dalam memberi pelajaran kapada anak, chuma berpelok tuboh sahaja harapkan Ke- menterian Pelajaran menjalankan per- sekolahan anak mereka, nanti dia fikir hal persekolahan anak aku ini kalau ta' pass di-sekolah Kerajaan chukup- lah.
Itu ma`ana budak itu tidak belajar, otak-nya tidak betul, mithal-nya, jadi tinggal-lah bagitu sahaja.

Jadi itu satu kerugian yang besar.

Tetapi sa-kira-nya ibu bapa, ra`ayat sendiri, sanggup mem- bena sekolah dengan galakan daripada Kerajaan, saya rasa ini satu keuntongan yang besar bagi bangsa kita.
Jadi itu sahaja yang saya fikir ada baik-nya kita hidupkan balek tenaga pergerakan Lembaga Loteri Kebajikan Masharakat ini bagi kepentingan pelaj aran anak2 kita, bagi kepentingan yang sa-umpama ini supaya wang Lembaga Loteri Keba- jikan Masharakat yang di-masokkan dalam Treasury yang mana patut di- simpankan oleh Lembaga Loteri Keba- jikan Masharakat itu sendiri untok memberi galakan kapada badan2 yang di-fikirkan oleh Kerajaan patut di- galakkan sebab ini-lah puncha hasil yang boleh kita salorkan kapada badan2 ra`ayat yang di-jalankan sendiri oleh ra`ayat.
Hari ini kita kena-lah faham orange berniaga pun masing2 kena chukai mahal .

mi sudah mendatangkan pera- saan lemah hendak mendermakan duit, ada perasaan Income Tax, lagi, Turn- over Tax lagi dan berbagai2 tax kita kena .

Dia kata kami sudah bagi tax banyak kapada Kerajaan , awak minta kapada Kerajaan , jadi semua ra`ayat minta kapada Kerajaan.

Jadi, ini-lah satu perkara yang kita tidak mahu galakkan bagitu .
Kalau boleh, biar-lah badan2 saperti Lembaga Loteri Kebaji- kan Masharakat ini memberi galakan kapada badan2 ra`ayat kemudian badan2 ra`ayat itu boleh memulakan, boleh bergerak kemudian mereka itu boleh-lah menemui saudagar2, ahli2 dermawan untok menghidupkan badan pergerakan mereka itu .

Jadi ini satu patut kita dapat timbangan daripada Kementerian yang berkenaan.

Saya tidak hendak sentoh-lah Kemen- terian lain agak Kementerian.
Pela jaran- lah yang paling banyak dalam negeri kita ini bagi sa`at ini, jadi dua perkara yang saya minta saya merayukan ka- pada Yang Berhormat Enche' Moha- med Khir yang ada di-hadapan saya ini minta tolong-lah timbangkan dasar bantuan kapada sekolah ugama ra`ayat dan juga shorkan-lah kapada pejabat2 Kementerian lain supaya Lembaga Loteri Kebajikan Masharakat itu dapat di-galakkan kembali dengan per- untokan khas yang di-reservekan yang di-asingkan dan di-beri kuasa untok mereka itu menjalankan sa-lain dari- pada di-masokkan dalam Treasury.
Sekian sahaja, terima kaseh.

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya uchapkan terima kaseh kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat yang berchakap baharu tadi.

Pertama dia minta menyemak dasar bantuan kapada sekolah2 ugama ra`ayat.

Bagi fikiran saya sendiri sa-lagi sekolah2 ugama ra`ayat ini tidak masok di- bawah j agaan Kementerian Pelaj aran terus, maka sa-lama itu-lah tidak dapat kita menjadikan sekolah itu dengan sa-benar2-nya berguna kapada kanak2 atau pun budak2 yang belaj ar di- sekolah itu.
Soal memberi bantuan sahaja tidak menchukopi.

Apa yang penting, pada fikiran saya, is-lah soal kawalan bagi sekolah itu di-bawah Kementerian Pelajaran.

Jadi saya sen- diri telah mengeshorkan kapada pehak2 yang berkenaan supaya apa yang saya telah chakapkan dahulu bagi sekolah2 ini di-masokkan di-bawah Kementerian Pelajaran.
Saya harap shor saya itu akan di-terima oleh semua pehak yang berkenaan supaya dapat-lah pada masa itu kita ubahkan nasib sekolah itu dari- pada keadaan sekarang kapada ke- adaan yang lebeh membena untok anak2 sa-banyak 50,000 orang yang belajar di-sekolah2 tersebut.
Berkenaan dengan perkara yang kedua is-itu Bantuan Kapada Sekolah Bebas, saya suka menerangkan, sa-kira- perkara yang mustahak yang saya Pan- nya sekolah2 bebas itu telah di-dirikan dang, telah lama saya perhatikan yang oleh ibu bapa dengan tujuan sa-mata2 1495 28 MARCH 1966 1496 untok memberi pelajaran lanjutan ka- pada anak2 dan dengan tidak berdasar- kan kapada commercial, maka sekolah2 itu boleh mendapat bantuan daripada Kementerian Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar.
Boleh mendapat bantuan sa-kira-nya Ahli Yang Berhormat itu tahu sekolah2 yang patut menerima bantuan dan boleh-lah dia membuat permohonan melalui Kementerian Pela- j aran kapada Kementerian Pem- bangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar dan saya mengaku tiap2 permintaan itu, kalau benar-lah, saya akan menyokong supaya dapat kelulusan daripada Ke- menterian itu.
Tidak payah kita beri wang loteri pun, wang Kerajaan kita pun boleh di-berikan, sa-bagaimana yang kita berikan sekarang ini Bantuan Kapada Sekolah2 Ugama Ra`ayat datang-nya daripada wang itu juga.

Kalau kita beri bantuan sekolah bebas ugama ra`ayat, boleti juga kita beri bantuan daripada wang itu kapada sekolah2 tersebut.
Tadi saya dengar, waktu saya tidak ada di-sini, sa-orang Ahli Yang Ber- hormat yang telah berchakap ber- kenaan dengan pelajaran is-itu kita patut menggalakkan anak2 kita masok ka-sekolah2 kebangsaan.

Itu memang- lah berjalan sekarang ini tinggal lagi bilangan-nya tidak-lah saperti mana yang kita kehendaki.

Tetapi keadaan ini tentu-lah akan berubah daripada satu masa ka-satu masa.

Berkenaan dengan apa yang di-kata- kan tadi is-itu pehak Kerajaan di- galakkan anak2 kita masok ka-sekolah2 Inggeris.
Sa-benar-nya ini kita tidak menggalakkan.

Tiap2 tahun kita me- minta ibu bapa-nya sendiri menentukan sekolah mana-kah yang mereka itu hendak hantar anak-nya.

Saya suka kalau Ahli Yang Berhormat itu mena- sihat Yang Berhormat Ahli Dewan Ra`ayat daripada Parti PAS yang men- jadi ahli bagi kawasan Besut, supaya anak-nya yang sudah ada di-sekolah kebangsaan tidak di-tarek balek.
Dia menulis surat kapada saya meminta kebenaran hendak beri anak-nya keluar dari sekolah kebangsaan hendak masok sekolah Inggeris (Ketawa).

Jadi saya menasihatkan Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Besut itu, tolong-lah supaya jangan berbuat bagitu supaya orang lain jangan pandai berchakap tetapi kita sendiri tidak menj alankan atau tidak perektikkan apa yang kita chakapkan itu.

Kemudian bahasa Arab untok di- jadikan bahasa yang mesti di-pelajari di-sekolah2 kebangsaan.
Saya ingat kalau kita jadikan bahasa Arab, lagi terok-lah budak2 kita.

Sekarang ini bahasa Inggeris dalam sekolah kebang- saan sudah pun di-mestikan.

Kalau budak yang belajar di-sekolah2 bahasa pengantar bahasa China, sudah-lah di- kenakan bahasa China, dia mesti mem- pelajari juga (compulsory) bahasa Ing- geris, kemudian dia belajar bahasa kebangsaan yang mesti di-pelajari juga.

Kalau kita buboh banyak2 nanti, otak dia pechah kerana terlampau banyak exercise otak-nya.
Jadi, saya harap bahasa Arab ini pun memang kita tahu berguna tetapi tidak-lah bagitu berguna daripada segi commercial, daripada segi perniagaan, daripada segi dunia antara bangsa.

Kita semua bersetuju bahawa bahasa Inggeris lebeh lagi ber- guna, fasal itu-lah kita jadikan bahasa Inggeris itu bahasa yang kedua dalam sekolah2 kita daripada awal sa-hingga akhir-nya.
Now, Sir, there is one more point raised by the Hon'ble Dr Dato' Cheah Toon Lok's, I refer to his request that the children of Malaysian Customs Officers, who are serving in Singapore, should be exempted from or should be subsidised in connection with the high school fees that are being charged by the Singapore Government.
I would like to inform the Hon'ble Member that the children of Customs Officers serving in Singapore are now exempted from the payment of the extra school fees by the Singapore Government.

Dr Cheah Toon Lok : Mr President, Sir, as a matter of clarification, I said that we have already subsidised the children of officers in Singapore but the educational system in Singapore is different from that of Malaysia.
Could not the money with which they are being subsidised be transferred to pay for fees or hostel charges in Malaysia, and Johore as well, so that they could receive education in Malaysia instead of Singapore?

1497 28 MARCH 1966 1498 Enche' Mohamed Khr Johari: If orang Menteri yang datang dalam there are such requests from parents tahun 1965 melawat ka-Kuala Lumpur who want to transfer their children to ini is-itu ibu negeri Malaysia.
Yang Malaysia the Ministry has always saya tidak f aham, pada satu Menteri helped them in every case to be accom- di-belanjakan sa-banyak $30,000 dan modated in schools in Malaysia.

The pada satu Menteri yang lain pula di- question of subsidy for these children is a separate matter because that has belanja hanya-lah $19,000.

Kedua2 itu Menteri dari satu negeri yang besar got to be considered on the merits of yang boleh di-katakan sama taraf -nya.

each case.
each case.

I hope the Hon'ble Member Bagaimana pada satu Menteri itu di- is satisfied.

Dato ' Haji Mohamed Noah bin Omar: Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya minta di-terangkan.

Saya harap dapat hendak berchakap pendek sahaja dalam penjelasan daripada Menteri yang ber- belanjakan sa-banyak $30,000 walhal yang satu lagi hanya-lah $19,000.

Ini satu perkara yang kechil tetapi saya perbahathan ini.

Saya suka hendak merojokkan pada Menteri yang ber- kenaan di-dalam Command Paper kenaan.
Mr Deputy President : Ahli2 Yang No.

8/1 966Kementerian Luar Negeri, Berhormat ada-kah Ahli2 lain hendak Head S. 21 Pechahan-kepala 25.

Di- berchakap berkenaan dengan Supple- sini ada peruntokan khas sa-banyak mentary Bill ini terlebeh dahulu dari $1,440,597 bagi tahun 1965 dan di- saya meminta Menteri2 itu menjawab- tambah lagi dalam tahun 1965 juga nya.
sa-banyak $229,907 dan sekarang di- minta persetujuan supaya di-beri lagi Enche' Saidon bin Kechut: Tuan peruntokan tambahan sa-banyak Yang di-Pertua, saya rasa saya juga $313,715.

Mengikut kenyataan yang di- hendak mengambil sadikit peluang berikan di-dalam Command Paper ini, dalam sidang petang ini kerana ganjil wang tambahan sa-banyak $313,715 ini sa-kali-lah kalau saya selalu berchakap di-kehendaki kerana hendak membayar tidak pula berchakap hari ini.
Jadi, pendahuluan sa-lama empat tahun dalam perkara Rang Undang2 Per- sewa rumah di-Lagos, Nigeria.

Saya bekalan Tambahan ini saya sa-benar- tidak tahu macham mana sampai nya menyokong Rang Undang2 ini dan bagitu banyak pendahuluan (advance) saya ingin hendak menyentoh beberapa Kementerian sa-chara yang sa-rengkas2- sa-hingga empat tahun bagi sa-buah rumah.

Biasa-nya kalau kita hendak menyewa sa-buah rumah pun, kalau ada tuan rumah hendak sewa terlebeh nya.
Satu daripada-nya Kementerian yang dahulu, satinggi2-nya kita boleh beri berkenaan dengan Pegawai Dagang dalam sa-tahun ini sampai empat yang berada di-Sarawak is-itu saya tahun pendahuluan di-beri kapada tuan punya rumah itu.

Ini saya rasa di-buat sangat tertarek hati dalam surat-khabar satu dua hari ini yang mana Yang terlalu luar daripada kebiasaan.

Ini Berhormat Dato' Temenggong Jugah, bukan bayaran sewa nampak-nya, ini pendahuluan (advance) sa-lama empat tahun bagi sa-buah rumah.
Ini yang menjadi satu kemushkilan pada saya.

Menteri Hal Ehwal Sarawak, telah pun melaporkan kapada Yang Amat Ber- hormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri menyatakan yang Pegawai2 Dagang Saya harap mendapat kenyataan dari- British yang ada di-Sarawak itu ber- pada Yang Berhormat Menteri yang lagak sa-bagai Tuan Besar sa-olah2 berkenaan.

Sarawak itu maseh di-bawah kong- kongan-nya di-zaman penjajah.
Bagai- mana yang saya sendiri mengetahuI Ada satu perkara yang kechil sadikit, tidak bagitu mustahak, tetapi saya suka sadikit sa-banyak tentang masaalah juga mendapat penjelasan.

Pada muka Sarawak, saya nampak Pegawai2 British 12 Peruntokan kerana Perdana Men- teri is-itu wang sa-banyak yang hendak di-minta supaya di-persetujukan sa- banyak $49,000.
Ini kerana belanja dua yang ada di-Sarawak ini barangkali kalau tidak semua sa-bahagian yang besar juga jumlah-nya, bukan sahaja mereka ini berlagak sa-bagai Tuan 1499 28 MARCH 1966 1500 Besar, tetapi juga mungkin menjalan- kan asutan2 yang boleh memalingkan ta`at setia ra`ayat Sarawak kapada Kerajaan Malaysia is-itu Kerajaan Pusat.
Bagaimana saya chuba2 hendak ketengahkan perkara ini pada masa2 persidangan Dewan yang telah lalu, maka is-itu apa yang saya gambarkan saga sendiri menengok banyak pejabat2 dan banyak juga tempat meshuarat terpenting bagi pehak pentadbiran Kerajaan di-Sarawak dan rumah2 per- saorang is-itu gambar2 Yang di-Pertuan Agong dan Permaisuri Agong kita maseh belum lagi di-hiasi di-tempat2 yang mustahak, tetapi gambar2 lain yang mempunyal unsor2 penjajah.
Dian saya rasa saya patut berterima kaseh kapada Yang Amat Berhormat Tim- balan Per.

dana Menteri kerana mem- ber satu perjanjian kapada D'ato' Temenggong Jugah bahawa.

Yang Amat Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri akan pergi menyiasat sendiri dan akan mengambil suatu tindakan yang tegas kalau perkara2 yang demikian benar berlaku.
Saya suka menambah dalam tindakan yang akan di-ambil nanti perkara ini kalau benar berlaku is-itu bukan sahaja terhadap pegawai2 yang berlagak sa-bagai penjajah di-Sarawak itu, tetapi kapada pemimpin2 ra`ayat Sarawak sendiri yang lekas sanggup menjadi talibarut dan sanggup menjadi pengkhianat demi kepentingan anasir2 luar yang mahu menarek orang ramai ata.u pengikut2-nya di-Sarawak itu mendewa2 anasir2 yang membahayakan kepentingan Kerajaan Pusat kita.
Sa-lain daripada itu, satu perkara yang saya tert.arek Kati is-itu perkara ini perkara yang saya bacha dalam siaran akhbar dan perkara ini juga perkara yang benar is-itu berhubong dengan pemergian Yang Teramat Mulia.
Tunku ka-Singapura dan chuba m.embawa balek dengan sa-chara pujok rayu yang berkhidmat sa-kali kerana hendak mengadakan ketenteraman dan keamanan di-antara kedua buah negeri v is-itu Malaysia dengan Singapura is-it u bawa sahaja-lah Enche' Lee Kuan Yew ini main golf, segala2-nya akan selesai kata-nya.
Saya rasa perkara pemisahan Singapura dengan Malaysia akibat daripada tekanan2 yang di-laku- kan sa-chara menyinggong perasaan dan menyayat hati ada-lah boleh di- katakan sa-bagai penyakit yang maseh lagi di-tanggong oleh ra`ayat Malaysia ini, terutama-nya orange Melayu sen- diri is-itu dapat di-katakan sa-bagai penyakit duri di-dala.m daging.
Kalau kita katakan pemisahan Singapura dengan Malaysia ini kerana beberapa kepentingan untok kebaikan di-antara kedua buah negeri, barangkali perkara ini benar dan saya rasa kalau kata pepatah orange tua, luka sudah hilang parut tinggal juga.

Tetapi sa-telah pemisahan ini kita maseh nampak tekanan2 dan perbuatan2 yang menying- gong perasaan kita lebeh hebat lagi daripada Singapura berchantum dengan kita maseh di-jalankan sa-hingga pada hari mi.
Saya rasa kalau-lah usaha dan ikhtiar Tunku berhulor tidak bersam- but, tepok sa-belah tangan, maka saya rasa perkara mi sa-benar2-nya lebeh menepati kalau di-katakan Tunk.u sahaja-lah yang merendahkan.

diri dan chuba hendak melutut kapada s.atu orang yang tidak mahu bertolak ansor, sa-orang yang tidak mahu bertimbang rasa dan tidak.

mementi'ngkan kepen- tingan antara kedua buah negeri yang berdekatan dan berjiran dengan kita.
Dan saya tidak tahu-lah kalau apa yang ada di-sabalek hikmat dengan chara bermain golf nanti semua-nya akan selesai.

Itu saya pulangkan ka- pada kebijaksanaan Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, satu perkara lagi i,a-itu saya terbacha dalam surat- khabar---ini perkara Surat-khabar ini bagus juga.

saya sa-betul-nya tidak ada kesiapan, tetapi bacha suaat-khabar datang ilham.
Saya terbacha kapal haji yang hendak pergi belayar ka-Mekah baharu2 ini mati di-tengah lautan-- bukan orang-nya mati, tetapi kapal- nya mati.

Jadi entah berapa jam, kemudian di-terbangkan jurutera-nya membaiki kapal.
Apa yang saya tahu tahun dahulu itu-lah dalam Dewa.n Ra`ayat saya sendiri mendengar me- mang di-bawa pegawai kebajikan haji yang menjadi wakil dalam Dewan Ra`ayat hampir2 kipas kapal haji itu hendak terchabut, tahun dahulu, kapal 1501 28 MARCH 1966 1502 itu juga kapal Kuala Lumpur ini, tetapi tahun ini lagi sa-kali, dan saga rasa kalau masa hendak balek ini besok saya takut belah dua kapal mi.
3 adi, ini satu perkara yang harus di-ambil di-antara 6,000 dengan 117 saya rasa patut-lah kalau 117 itu tidak payah pun di-undi, kalau di-undi pun untok memberi tempat-nya is-itu untok di- undi kerana mendapat, bukan di-undi perhatian yang berat bahawa dalam kerana tidak mendapat, bila di-undi s:oal yang bagini mustahak bagi 117 ini tinggal-lah 20 dan bilangan yang kesejahteraan ra`ayat Malaysia yang akan menunaikan haji is-itu salah satu daripada tugas Kerajaan bagi kepen- sa -kechil ini tentu-lah mendatangkan perasaan yang tidak puas hati.
Dan perkara yang demikian saya rasa kerana tingan ugama, satu ugama yang di- rumah pangsa banyak lagi di-dirikan pandang berdaulat di-negera Malaysia di-kawasan Ibu Kota mi.

Saya harap ini dengan bayaran yang di-beri oleh perkara ini di-ambit perhatian.

orange yang pergi hendak mengambil haji.

Kalau keadaan kenderaan ini maseh dalam keadaan yang tidak memuaskan hati, saya rasa kalau sudah kapal-nya.
tidak memuaskan hati tentu-lah layanan2 yang lain dalam kapal ini juga tidak memuaskan hati, kerana, pehak2 yang bertanggong-jawab dalam soul ini tidak mengambil berat dan tidak mengambil hirau, kerana dari sa-tahun ka-tahun keadaan ini rraseh timbul lagi.
Satu perkara lagi tentang paspot orange yang hendak mengambil haji ini, kalau tidak silap saya, di- kenakan sa-tahun $20 tetapi saya tidak tahu masaalah paspot ini di- kenakan $20 sampai bagitu mahal, sedang paspot antara-bangsa yang kita pakai ka-luar negeri di-kenakan sa- lama 5 tahun, kalau tidak silap saya $15 sahaja.

Kenapa-kah perbezaan ini boleh berlaku hanya di-antara sa-tahun dengan 5 tahun baya.ran-nya mem- punyai lebeh dan kura;ng.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya ingin menyentoh satu perkara lagi is-itu perkara yang di-terangkan dalam Dewan Ra`ayat baharu2 ini.

In gin saya bangkitkan lagi di-sini berhubong dengan rumah pangsa yang baharu2 ini di-undi dan Menteri Kerajaan.

Ternpatan dan Perumahan menerang- kan perkara itu.

Permintaan daripada orange yang bukan Melayu 6,000 kemudian permintaan daripada orange Melayu 117.

Jadi, hila di-undi hanya dari bilangan 1.17 ini 20 sahaj.a lebeh kurang yang di-dapati oleh orang Melayu.
Saya merasa masaalah peru- mahan ini satu masaalah benar di- kawasan Ibu Kota negara Malaysia ini, dan kalau saya katakan perbandingan Ada satu dua perkara lagi, T uan Yang di-Pertua, yang saya hendak chakapkan di-sini is-itu berhubo;ng dengan kedudokan guru ugama dalam Pasokan Tentera- ini saya rasa dalam Kementerian Pertahanan yang saya juga bacha dalam surat-khabar hari ini kerana saya sa-betul-nya, bagaimana saya katakan tadi, saya tengok surat- khabar, benar kata-nya benar-lah, tidak benar itu tidak-lah.
Jadi, masaalah guru2 ugama ini yang di-turunkan pangkat-nya daripada Division lI men- jadi III, gaji-nya lebeh di-turunkan dan keadaan tugas2 yang di-terangkan sa- bagaimana yang kita tahu mereka ini sama2 ka-medan perjuangan, sentia.sa mengikut parajurit kita ka-mana sahaja, mereka ini yang meniupkan semangat, mereka ini-lah yang menyempurnakan mayat dan sentiasa berada bersama2 dengan parajurit kita di-mana sahaja mereka berada.. Jadi , masaalah-nya , kalau saya hendak kata bagi guru2 ugama mithal- nya sa -bagai sa-orang pekerja makan gaji yang di -beri gaji oleh majikan, atau pun Kerajaan.
Saya rasa , policy Kerajaan kita tidak ada dengan chara yang di-atas itu di-turunkan ka-bawah, tetapi biasa-nya yang di-bawah itu di- naikkan ka-atas, kechuali kalau dia melakukan satu perkara yang me- ngandongi kesalahan2 yang tidak boleti di-ma`afkan , dan saya rasa perkara guru2 ugama ini mendapat gaji dan layanan yang tidak baik dan tidak memuaskan, sudah beberapa kali kita keluarkan is-fah berbalek2 keadaan-nya yang kita dapat jawapan, is-itu kalau Kerajaan Negeri , dia kata Kerajaan Pusat, Kerajaan Pusat kata Kerajaan 1503 28 MARCH 1966 1504 Negeri .
Jadi , wal hasil -nya pergi ka- sana, pergi ka- mari , sa-rupa juga.

Keadaan ini maseh belum memuaskan.

Satu perkara yang saya hendak berchakap, is-itu yang penghabisan- nya, T'uan Yang di-Pertua, is-itu saya suka hendak menarek perhatian dan saya rasa Menteri yang herkenaan tidak ada tetapi bias-lah saya terang- kan juga, kerana ini tugas saya.
Per- kara ini telah pun di-ambil keputusan dalam salah satu perjumpaan ramai bagai orang2 yang bijak pandai dari kalangan2 orange yang mengetahul tentang kedudokan perkara ini, is-itu sa-buah buku yang mengesahkan cherita2 pelanchongan yang, menarek p^rhatian dan minat pelanchong2 ka- negara kita ini Malaysia.
Buku ini, kalau tidak silap saya di-namakan : "TO MALAYSIA WITH FEELING", is-itu di-karang oleh Miss Maxine Atwater sa-orang wanita Amerika yang mencheritakan sa-telah is sampai ka- Malaysia, dan dia ini sa-bagai sa-orang pegawai dari Pacific Area.

Travel Association, is-itu nlembuat satu gam- baran yang mengatakan pelanchongan di-Malaysia dan buku ini telah di- sibarkan di-United Kingdom dan Europe di-mana2 tempat di-negara2 bestir.
Apa yang menarek perhatian di- dalam buku ini, saya ada bawa buku ii-ii dia buku-nya, Tuan Yang di- Pertua : `TO MALAYSIA WITH FEELING" is-itu menyatakan pada muka 6 dalam buku mi.
Pada satu masa beliau ini sampai ka-Perak , dan Duli Yang Maha Mulia Sultan Perak menjemput dia dalam satu j amuan teh , kemudian dia menya- takan , dia di-suroh , dia melihat Sultan Perak ini dudok di-atas kerusi yang ber- kushen yang berma`ana , pada pendapat saya, sa- olah2-nya membayangkan orange Melayu ini ta' pernah dudok di-atas kerusi yang berkushen daripada Raja-nya sampai-lah kapada orange j umpa, entah-lah kalau mata saya kelabu, ta' tahu-lah.
Jadi, sa-lain daripada itu dia menyatakan juga dalam muka 6 ini, is-itti Duli Yang Maha Mulia Sultan Perak ini di-kelilingi oieh beberapa orang isteri2 yang erti-nya entah berapa puloh, kalau tidak ratus, barangkali puloh isteri-nya.

Ini asal ada perempuan yang ada di-kelilingi di-Majlis itu, isteri Sultan Perak mi.

Ini ada buku-nya sa-bagai satu saksi, kalau ta' perchaya boleti tengok.
Jadi, ini membayangkan bahawa menunjokkan raja kita ini sa- orang yang berjubah; sa-orang yang tidak pernah dudok di-sabuah kerusi yang berkushen dan isteri-nya ada berpuloh2 mengeliling-nya.

Dan satu perkara lagi, pada muka 15 dia mencheritakan kesah di-Sunday Market, Kampong Baharu, is-itu dia menyatakan, memandang wanita2 Melayu yang ada di-situ memakai pakaian ketat, kain2 yang mahal yang berwarna warni dan mempunyai pandangan yang menarek, tetapi sayang-nya semua-nya berkaki ayam, kata dia.
Ini dalam buku ini, dia kata.

Saya tidak fikir, kalau wanita2 Melayu pakai ketat, kain belah itu zaman sekarang ini memang menarek, tetapi sa-kurang2-nya sliper pun dia mesti pakai.

Tetapi dia menyatakan dalam buku ini berkaki ayam.

Jadi, apa yang menarek perhatian saya dalam buku ini, di-keluarkan sa-telah di-luluskan oleh Kementerian Perdagangan clan Perusahaan.

Buku ini sudah di-sibarkan di- seluroh dunia.


Jadi, pada pendapat saya dalam kenyataan Maxine Atwater ini s.a-mata2 hendak menghinakan orange Malaysia, hendak menghinakan orange Melayu, merendahkan mertabat dan maruah orange yang ada di- Malaysia.

Jadi yang mendukachitakan saya,, kenapa-kah Kementerian yang berkenaan mengeluarkan buku ini ra`ayat hamba -nya, is -itu daripada dengan tidak menyemak, atau sengaja ra`ayat jelata .
Dan kemudian dia dia hendak chuba sebahat dalam per- menyatakan , Raja kita ini memakai kara ini dan sate lagi, saya hendak pula sa-buah topi dan berjubah.

Saya rasa perkara pakai jubah oleh Duli tabu chara benar, atau pun tidak benar bahawa pegawai yang berkenaan dalam Yang Maha Mulia Raja2 dalam satu2 soal pelanchongan di-Malaysia ini, ia- Majlis macham ini, ta' pernah kita itu kalau tidak silap saya.
Enche' 1505 28 MARCH 1966 1506 Osman Siru, ada-kah dia bersama2 ta' menyiasat dan tidak menengok perkara mereka di-luar itu apa a .da fasal; macham anjing menyalak bukit ta' ini, maka benda ini di-benarkan ada fasal.

Kami di-sini mempunyai keluar dengan tidak ada satu penelitian tugas sa -bagai Ahli Dewan.

yang sa-patut-nya.

Jadi, lama ada perkataan ini menghina orange Melayu, atau pun tidak, saya serahkan kapada Dewan ini untok menimbangkan-nya.
Jadi, sa-lain daripada it:u, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang penghabisan sa- kali, is-itu berhubong dengan chatitan ini, saya maseh teringat lagi ber- hubong dengan siaran surat khabar yang memburokkan Ahli2 Dewan Negara.

Saya rasa saya memang tidak hendak mencheritakan perkara ini, tetapi biar-lah, kalau saya tidak mencheritakan, geram saya itu tidak habis.
Jadi, kalau-lah hendak kita pertimbangkan masaalah ini benar' dan saya lebeh suka-lah kita ta' mahu layan perkara ini; kita anggap orang yang menulis ini semua budak2 yang maseh beringus lagi, orang yang sudah putus asa dan barangkali, orang yang hendak mampus besok agak-nya.

Jadi, soal Ahli2 Dewan Negara ini, satu soul yang di-pertanggong-jawab- kan kapada Kerajaan yang di-pileh oleh ra`ayat dalain satu negara demo- cracy saperti Malaysia.

Jadi, soul masok pintu helakang itu tidak timbal.


Soul kawasan, kalau hendak di-fikirkan, barangkali, kalau kita chakap, kalau hendak di-fikirkan sa orang Ahli Dewan Ra`aya.t yang mempunya:i kuasa kawasan2 yang tertentu, kita tabu, barangkali bebe- rapa banyak kawasan daripada Ahli Dewan Negara ini pergi merempoh, men jalankan tugas2 penting untok masharakat.
Mereka yang bertanggong jawab dalam kawasan ini pun, kita dengar selalu ta' pernah sampai ka- kawasan-nya, dan timbul masaalah- nya, konon-nya Ahli Dewan Negara ini hendak minta jadi Menteri, hendak minta tambah elaun.
Itu tadi saya dengar sa:dikit kalau dia langsongkan tadi, saya tidak berchakap langsong hari ini Bala m persidangan ini, tetapi biar saya mengatakan, kalau hendak chakap, Ahli Dewan ini sendiri me- nyebutkan tentang elaun, atau hendak jadi Menteri-itu hak Ahli Dewan ini; Jadi , sa-benar-nya perkara ini tim- bul is-lah, kalau tidak salah saya, Enche' Abu Bakar Hamzah dalam Dewan Ra`ayat , tolong2 hendak ber- budi konon -nya, kapada Ahli2 Dewan Iii egara.
Bila dia orang hiboh dalam Dewan Ra`ayat meminta naik elaun, dia kata kenapa Ahli2 Dewan Negara itu di-tinggalkan ?

Ini masaalah yang.

timbal .

Jadi , Ahli2 Dewan Ra`ayat banyak yang sudah jadi Menteri.

Kita di-sini, barangkali hari itu ta' ada sa- orang yang minta jadi menteri.

Kalau minta pun, pengarang2 akhbar ini ta' ada fasal .
Jadi , apa yang menjadi perkara yang saya ingin hendak me- nyatakan di-sini bahawa ini-lah penu- lis2 akhbar ini, bukan menjadi bahan saya penuli s ini sa-kadar menulis, dapat berita , di-sampaikan , dia tulis sama ada hendak di-terima, atau tidak, tetapi pengarang -nya ini ada sate ruangan khas yang di-pergunakan untok kepentingan-nya, bukan kepentingan pembacha dan bukan kepentingan untok orang ramai.
Jadi, kalau kita tengok orange yang macham ini yang menggunakan kesempatan yang tidak bertanggong -jawab ini dalam ruangan pengarang itu, dia akan menggunakan, is-itu dia akan menunjokkan sentiasa, kalau hendak elok dasar Kerajaan Malaysia luar negeri , bagini bunt, kata.

dia.

Kalau hendak elok pentadbiran itu, bagini buat, kata dia.
Saya nampak orang; ini dia selalu yang hendak Jadi lebeh daripada Yang Amat Berhormat Tun Abdul Rezak, lebeh daripada Cabinet kita, lebeh daripada Tunku Perdana Menteri kita.

Dia-lah sa-orang yang pandai.

Kalau ta' ada dia, Malaysia ini ta ' dapat di- tubohkan .

Bagitu-lah sa-olah2-nya.

Jadi , saya rasa orang yang sa- macham ini , kita hendak bacha balek cherita Mat Jenin itu, bila dia di- tengah2 khayal itu , bila dia terpegang pelepah mampus itu, dia pun j atoh ka- bawah .

Itu yang kita kasehan .


Jadi saya rasa orange yang macham ini biar-lah dia menggunakan kebolehan dan kepan- daian dia itu kapada tempat-nya dan 1507 28 MARCH 1965 1508 jangan-lah memandangkan sa-saorang Pertanian dan Hutan di-Sarawak.

itu barangkali di-sebabkan beberapa Pegawai itu, kalau saya tidak salah, perkara kekurangan pada dia, barang- nama-nya is-lah Mr Pittmen.
Pada kali orang ini tidak dapat berbuat sa- tengah hari tadi saya telah berbual suatu, dan tidak dapat pula meng- dengan Menteri Kerajaan negeri Sara- ambil kesempatan dalam sa-suatu yang wak yang berkenaan dan dia memberi dia boleh buat.
Jadi untok keadilan tahu saya tindakan telah pun di-ambil kita dalam hidup sa-bagai ra`ayat di- oleh-nya sendiri menukarkan pegawai sa-buah negara ini saya rasa perasaan tersebut daripada satu tempat di-mana muhibbah ini-lah yang harus kita j aga dia telah berkhidmat dan menerima kerana persahabatan-lah yang akan komplin daripada orange kampong membawakan kapada keamanan dan kapada sate tempat yang lain.

Jadi ketenteraman.
Jadi ketenteraman.

Sa-saorang manusia kita akan melihat sa-lanjut-nya dan apabila di-chabul hak-nya, apabila lagi penyiasatan akan di-jalankan oleh di-singgong kehormatan-nya, akan yang Amat Berhorinat Timbalan Per- bangun-lah dia menentang berhabis2an jikalau sa-kira-nya dia memikirkan dia benar di-dalam sa-suatu yang di- perjuangkan.
Jadi saya rasa, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya nampak barangkali hari pun sudah malam saya pun hendak balek lekas, kawan2 pun barangkali masam2, jadi sampai di-sini sahaja-lah dapat membuatkan apa uchapan dan saya uchapkan terima kaseh.

The Minister of Lands and Mines (Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pertama ber- kenaan masaalah jemputan Yang T'eramat Mulia Tunku kapada Enche' Lee Kuan Yew hendak bermain golf di-Kuala Lumpur atau pun di-Malaya mi.
Yang Berhormat Senator kita kata tadi, ini menunjokkan bahawa Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku kita sangat2 merendahkan diri dan melutut kapada orang yang sengaja tidak mahu beker- jasa:ma dengan kita.

Tetapi ta`arif saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, is-lah ini me- nunjokkan kebijaksanaan Yang Ter- amat Mulia Tunku sa-bagai sa-orang statesman, sa-bagai sa-orang yang chinta kapada keamanan dan sa-bagai sa-orang yang mengamalkan polisi hendak bekerjasama dengan Kerajaan negeri Singapura.
Berhubong dengan masaalah pega- wai dagang di-Sarawak, yang sa-benar- nya Yang Berhormat Menteri bagi Hal Ehwal Sarawak tela.h mengadu kapada dana Menteri kita mengenai pegawai2 yang lain yang harus ada berkelakuan bongkak.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Yang Berhor- mat Senator Enche' Amaluddin dari Kelantan berkata, kita ini memandang rendah kapada Indonesia tetapi sa- balek-nya Indonesia ada-lah lebeh maj u daripada kita.
Pemimpin2 Indo- nesia mempunyai fikiran yang lebeh tinggi, yang lebeh halus, yang lebeh maju daripada.

pemimpin2 dalam Malaysia.

Elok;, ^sedap betul mereka mempunyai sifat demikian, itu yang kita mahu, rakan2 kita dalam negeri2 jiran kita mempunyai fikiran yang.

lebeh tinggi yang maju yang baik dari- pada kita.

Tetapi biar-lah, kalau untok saya, biar-lah kita ini bodoh tidak jadi apa asal negara kita ini aman, ma`amor, tidak kachau bilau macham di-Indone- sia.
Biar-lah mereka itu maju tetapi kemajuan itu apa pula?

Kita nampak dalam sa-bulan dua ini, apa sudah berlaku di-sana.

Anak negeri Indone- sia, chuba-lah kita fikir dengan apa yang kita.

ketahui, satu kenyataan yang.

tidak boleh kita nafikan, lapar; siapa yang salah, salah pemimpin Indonesia yang di-anggap oleh Senator itu tadi bijak, terlampau bijak.
Indonesia menghentam British, tetapi Yang Ber- hormat itu katay tengok, dia tidak mahu kapada British, kita ini apa kita buat, kita berpegang kapada ekor baju British, kita menjaga kepentingan Bri- tish.
'letapi lojik-nya kalau di-hentam British, kalau tidak suka kapada Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku dahulu British, kenapa tidak putus perhubo- berkenaan dengan sa-orang pegawai ngan diplomatik dengan British, kenapa yang tertentu di-bawah Kementerian putus perhubongan diplomatik dengan 1509 2$ MARCH 1966 1510 kita, kenapa hentam kita, kenapa ke- tika Sarawak di -dalam pemerentah Colony dahulu tidak di-hentam, ber- baik2 , sedangkan orang Pontianak, orang Sabah daripada Indonesia, bera- tus2 yang datang ka -Sarawak membeli gula, membeli susu , kenapa sa-telah Malaysia di-tubohkan baharu hendak gadoh dengan kita, siapa yang di- hentam , orang Malaysia sendiri.
Ini- lah fikiran yang lojik menurut Ahli Yang Berhormat itu, ini-lah fikiran yang maju, is-lah fikiran yang tinggi menurut ta`arif Ahli PAS.

Untok kits biar-lah mereka maju dalam ta`arif sa- demikian , biar-lah kita badoh asal sahaja kita ada dengan ranchangan pembangunan saperti telah kita buat di-negara kita mi.

Kita sakalian ketahui bahawa Malay- sia mempunyai foreign policy yang independent yang sesuai, sa-chuchok dengan kepentingan negara kita sendiri.
Kita tidak peduli British , kita tidak peduli siapa, masaalah kebangsaan kita tegas, tetapi kita menerima kenyataan.

Kita tidak termakan perkataan yang kosong saperti yang di-laku oleh pemimpin2 di-Indonesia yang pro- kominis dahulu saperti Subandrio.

Kita menerima kenyataan ya`ani di- dalam dunia ini , sama ada Russia, mahu pun British , mahu pun Kominis China , tidak boleh hidup dengan sendiri-nya sahaja , mesti ada kerjasama dengan negara yang lain.
Jadi polisi luar kita , kita sanggup bekerjasama dengan mana satu negeri yang sanggup bekerjasama dengan kita .

Itu dia polisi kita, tidak salah .

Mana satu negara yang kata , "kita berdiri atas kaki sendiri , sa-ratus peratus dengan tidak perlu di-bantu oleh negara yang lain".

Itu omong kosong .

Tidak ada satu negara dalam dunia yang sa-ratus peratus self supporting , tidak ada.

Jadi kita realistic .


Sa-bagaimana biasa polisi Kerajaan Perikatan pragmatic , realistic, bukan bergantong kapada ideoloji yang kosong .

Kita dengar khabar beberapa hari ini dalam Indonesia pemimpin2 Indonesia , ra`ayat Indonesia, telah bosan dengan perkataan2 yang kosong.

Mereka mahu ranchangan konkret, ran- changan pembangunan yang konkret, yang akan memenohkan perut ra`ayat di-dalam negeri.

Kita tidak memikir dan kita tidak perlu menjaga kepentingan British.
Kita sa-buah negara kechil , kita tidak dapat berlagak sa-bagai sa-buah negara yang besar.

British sa-buah negara yang besar daripada kita boleh menjaga kepentingan mereka sendiri tidak perlu hendak di-jaga oleh Malaysia.

Kita menjaga kepentingan Malaysia sendiri, tetapi polisi di-dalam rasaalah perusa- haan, perniagaan kita , kita tegas dengan tidak ada foreign capital masok dalam negeri kita, perkembangan kita tidak dapat di-jalan dengan sa-chepat mung- kin.
Tetapi dalam menjalankan polisi ini yang kita mahu foreign capital masok, kita menggalak dengan sa- berapa boleh -nya joint venture supaya apabila foreign capital itu masok, anak negeri kita dapat kesempatan daripada foreign capital ini untok bersama2 dapat nekmat daripada joint venture ini.

Kalau kita tidak mahu foreign capital masok, sa-bagaimana kita saksi dalam beberapa negeri jiran kita, apa yang berlaku, kita sendiri dalam negeri ini tidak mempunyai chukup capital .
Tidak mempunyai chukup capital untok pembangunan.

Dengan soal demikian-lah tidak lama lagi Yang Berhormat Menteri Ke- wangan akan keluar negeri, akan meminjam wang kapada Bank Dunia dan lain supaya dapat kita menjalan- kan pembangunan negara kita.

Jadi approach kita ini, chara kita bekerj a dalam negeri , satu chara yang realistic, satu chara bukan-nya mimpi2 sahaja sa-bagai harus-nya yang di-j alankan oleh Kerajaan negeri PAS berharap kapada shurga akan datang dahulu.
Kita ini dalam dunia , kita fikir hal dunia, kita fikir kepentingan ra`ayat, shurga will take care of this House.

Jikalau saya tidak salah , ketika saya keluar tadi, Tuan Yang di- Pertua , Yang Berhormat Senator Enche' Amaluddin telah menyentoh, saya telah di-beritahu is-itu Menteri2 yang bangun di-sini berchakap, teru- tama sa-kali saya sendiri , telah meng- emukakan beberapa Rang Undang2 itu dalam Bahasa Inggeris.
Ya, saya mengaku, Rang Undang2 ini saya terima pada awal pagi Sabtu, j adi terpaksa saya bacha sampai pukul dua malam untok menkajikan soalan2 yang 1511 28 MARCH 1966 1512 lain, tidak sempat saya hendak to build an Embassy, they will ask menterjemahkan Rang Undang2 mi.

you to build the Embassy on a piece Tetapi sa-bagaimana yang telah di- katakan oleh rakan saya tadi Yang Berhormat Menteri Pelajaran, PAS ini of land and the whole total cost of the Embassy will have to be given over to the private owner.
Such being the selalu tahu mengata2 orang.

Baharu case, we cannot help but submit to pagi ini tadi kita dengar Yang the demands of the private individual.

Berhormat Senator Enche' Wan Anybody who has been to Nigeria can Mustapha berchakap dalam bahasa tell you this it is a fact.

We are Inggeris, tidak chakap Melayu, kerana forced to the Treasury usually does apa dia sendiri tidak tahu sangat not give money just like that, you bahasa Melayu dia chakap Bahasa know.
The Treasury is very stingy Inggeris labeh pandai daripada bahasa Melayu.

Terima kaseh Tuan Yang with its money, I can assure you that (Laughter).

So when we give money di-Pertua.

Dr Ng Kam Poh : Mr President, Sir, the whole of the debate on the Supplementary Supply (1965) Bill, 1966, was confined to all the other Ministries except the Treasury.

So, it leaves me with very little to comment about, except to say a few words where the Honourable Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus from the P.M.I.P.
castigated the Government for coming always to the Dewan Ra`ayat as well as to the Senate for supplementary supply esti- mates.

The reason for this, as I have said before in the Dewan Ra`ayat, and now in the Senate, is that this is proof of the stringency practised by the Treasury.

We could have doubled our yearly estimates in the Budget and not come a single time to Parliament for approval.
But the Treasury in general, and the Minister of Finance in parti- cular, exercise the utmost stringency and so all Ministries having not enough money have to come to the Dewan Ra`ayat and Dewan Negara for supplements.

So, Sir, you see for yourself, it is a tribute and not a way of wasting money.
Commenting on the question from the Honourable Senator Dato' Haji Noaha (Laughter) -I am sorry if I pronounced the name wrongly about the item for rents in Lagos, which is four years rent in advance, this is because in Lagos the situation is different.

There is a tremendous shortage of housing there and if you wish to rent a house, they will not ask you to pay one year's rent in advance, they will ask you to pay five years' there must be a good reason.
Mr President, Sir, there is another question, concerning Head S. 7 Prime Minister, by the Honourable Dato' Haji Mohamed Noah.

He asked why, in the case of one delegation from South Korea and one delegation from South Vietnam, we have spent $ 30,000 on one delegation and $19,000 on the other.

Mr President, Sir, the answer is very simple : one delegation was larger than the other.

It is as simple as that (Laughter).


The delega- tion from South Vietnam composed only of about 10 to 15 persons, whereas the delegation from South Korea com- posed of about 30 to 40 people.

That is why we had to spend so much money.

I believe the Honourable Senator has been to Korea and he knows how expensive the tastes are in that country, and to his liking too, I believe.

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

The last question which I wish to answer is the point raised by the Honourable Enche' Saidon bin Kechut, concerning Guru2 Ugama, Islamic Religious Teachers, being demoted from Division II to Division III.

He said he read about it in the newspapers.

I can assure the Honourable Senator that such a thing is not true and nobody has ever been demoted.

There is no reason for demoting anybody.

We may chuck out somebody (Laugh- ter) but no reason for demoting somebody.
So, Sir, such a thing has not occurred.

Perhaps in the enthusiasm of the Press they might have made a slight error--I do not know, I did not read that section in the Press.

Mr President, Sir, I think all the rent in advance, and should you want questions have been ably answered 1513 28 MARCH 1966 1514 by Honourable Ministers who have spoken just now.
So I need only close with these words : that the Treasury will always guard the monies that are placed in the hands of the Minister of Finance in this country with a great deal of caution.

It will never be spent, unnecessarily.

Thank you.

(Applause).

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time.

Third Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that the Supplementary Supply (1965) Bill, 1966, be read a third time and passed.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second.


Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a third time and passed.

THE JUDGES' REMUNERATION (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Judges' Remunera- tion Act, 1963" be read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, I beg to second the motion.
The Minister of Lands and Mines (Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub): Mr President, Sir, Article 125 (6) and (9) of the Constitution prescribes that Parliament shall by law provide for the remuneration of Judges of the Federal Court and also of the High Court.

The Judges' Remuneration Act, This Bill seeks to extend a similar privilege to the Judges of the Federal Court and also all Judges of the High Court.
Dato' Athi Nahappan : Mr President, Sir, while welcoming this Bill, I should also like to state that there is another service which is urgently needed to be accorded to the Judges, and that is, Sir, the provision of having for the High Court Judges the services of a stenographer to take down verbatim report of the evidence given in court.
At the moment in the High Court, the Judges themselves take down the evidence as best as they can, but it is certainly not a verbatim report; and this has ben found to be inadequate for all concerned, especially when the matter is to go up by way of appeal to the Federal Court.

In other advanced countries, this provi- sion is there.

In the United Kingdom, in the United States, they even, I am told, use tape recorders.

In Hong Kong, I am told, they use tape recorders.


I think it is in the interest of justice to provide this additional service to the Judges, for they have to keep a very close watch on the proceedings themselves; and if they are additionally required to take down the notes of all these information and evidence, which are very technical sometimes, it is asking too much of the judges.

The present system has gone on for a long, long time but it certainly needs to be improved.
I understand recently there has been some request to this effect too, and I hope that the Honourable Minister of Justice will look into this and provide 1963, makes such provision.

The to the High Court Judges, no matter Alliance Government feels that it will whether the proceedings are civil or be in keeping with the dignity of the high office of Judge, that Judges throughout Malaysia should be pro- vided with cars by Government.
As Honourable Senators are aware, Judges do a considerable amount of travelling in the course of their duties.

The Lord President and the Chief Justice of the High Court, Malaya, have already been accorded the privilege of being provided with cars by Government.

So, also, is the Chief Justice of the High Court in Borneo.
criminal, a stenographer to take down verbatim reports, and if that is not possible, to be provided with tape recorders so that the whole proceedings can be recorded, and if the parties go on appeal, they can have a reproduc- tion of this, if they so want it, in detail.

Thank you very much.

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Mr President, Sir, the request will be considered.

Question put, and agreed to.


1515 28 MARCH 1966 1516 Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the Malacca Municipality in 1967, if and when this Bill is approved will be done whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr (Deputy) President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 3 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.
THE EDUCATION (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend section 4 of the Educa- tion (Amendment) Act, 1963" be read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, I beg to second.

The Minister of Education (Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari): Mr President, Sir, this Bill seeks to amend the Education (Amendment) Act, 1963, substituting certain new provisions in place of the provisions contained in section 4 of that Act.
The object of these amendments is to remove ano malies in the application of education rates, so as to levy it more equitably in proportion to the income from the property and at the same time to improve the administrative machinery for its collection, so as to facilitate the collection of the maximum possible education rates at the lowest possible cost.
Honourable Members will note that, under this Bill, the States of Malaya, for the purposes of Education rates, will still be divided into two areas: namely that of Local Authority areas and areas outside the Local Authority.

Under this Bill, however, there is a slight difference from the Education (Amendment) Act of 1963 in that the Local Authority areas do not include the Rural District Councils of Malacca Tengah, Jasin and Alor Gajah.

This means that in the case of Malacca, the through the Land Offices.
The reason for this is that the Rural District Councils in Malacca which include all areas in the State, except the Malacca Municipality Area, are not at present collecting any assess- ment from most of the properties in these areas and are accordingly with- out the administrative machinery for collecting Education rates.

This could not be done without incurring heavy expenditure on preparing records and engaging staff to collect such rates.
The State Authority of Malacca also considers that the collection of Educa- tion rates in the State of Malacca, outside the Malacca Municipality, should be done by the Land Offices as areas outside the Local Authorities.

Mr President, Sir, the text of sub- clause 3 of Clause 4 of the Bill remains the same as in the Education (Amendment) Act of 1963.
Under this Clause, the Minister allocates for Local Authority Areas such sum as he considers appropriate for any areas in which Section 4 has effect, and the education rate to meet that amount shall be levied by the Rating Autho- rity as additional to the general rate levied by the Rating Authority in the year as appears to that Authority necessary to raise the sum.
In this respect, I must assure the House that the amount is allocated only after very careful consideration and after con- sulting the Ministry of Local Govern- ment and Housing and also the Valua- tion Division of the Treasury.

Sub-clause (5) of Clause 4 of the Bill makes provision for the Minister to determine the rate on the second category of areas i.e., areas outside Local Authorities.
The House will note that in the Education (Amend- ment) Act, 1963, the Authority in prescribing the education rate for each category of holdings outside Local Authority areas is a State Government.

But under this Bill it is sought to vest this authority with the Federal Govern- ment.

This amendment is considered necessary in order to ensure uniformity of education rates in all the States of collection of Education rates outside Malaya.
1517 28 MARCH 1966 1518 Sub-clause 6 of Clause 4 of this Bill gives power to the Minister to impose the rates on any immoveable property according to acreage notwithstanding its value or the fact that no quit rent of any kind is payable in respect of such property.

This is to ensure that all land owners, who are able to pay education rate, are made to pay.
The maximum rate of $1 per acre or part of an acre under the old provision is deleted in this Bill, so that a more fair rate would be imposed on hold- ings which justify paying education rate at more' than $1 per acre.

The rate for these holdings will be con- sidered very carefully after consulta- tion with the Minister of Lands and Mines.

Sub-clauses 4 and 7 of Clause 3 deal with the recovery of arrears in respect of category of areas.
The difference in this Bill is that in the case of the second category of areas, namely outside local authority areas, the arrears are recoverable by the Collector of Land Revenue concerned in the same manner and to the same extent as the collection and recovery of quit rent.

Dato' Athi Nahappan : May I seek clarification from the Honourable the Minister as to the definition of the word "local authority"?
It is of course clearly stated under Clause 2, but what is of particular interest here is about the Rural District Councils, say for instance, Province Wellesley.

We have two categories here.

Firstly, "local authority" means a Munici- pality, Town Board, Town Council or Rural Board.
Does it mean the same thing as Rural Councils; say in the Province Wellesley Majlis Daerah Te- ngah or Majlis Daerah Selatan, but does not include any local councils that is clear or any Rural District Councils of Malacca Tengah, Jasin or Alor Gajah?

The exception seems to be with reference to Malacca only.

What about Province Wellesley?

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: In the case of Province Wellesley or Penang, there are facilities for the collection of rates by these Councils.
It is only in the case of Malacca Tengah, Jasin and Alor Gajah, as I explained, they are not collecting any assessment from most of the properties in their areas.

That is the only difference.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 3 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.

THE MEDICAL REGISTRATION (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that the Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Medical Registra- tion Ordinance, 1952" be read a second time.

the motion.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: Mr President, Sir, the purpose of this Bill is to enable Malaysian doctors with foreign medical degrees to practise in Malaya.
Doctors who wish to practise in Malaya have to be registered under Section 9 and Section 10 of the Medical Registration Ordinance, 1952.

Under the present Ordinance, doctors can be registered either (i) provi- sionally in order to serve a period of housemanship or (ii) fully with or without conditions.
The Ordinance allows those who have qualified from the University of Singapore and certain Commonwealth countries, after they have served the full period of house- manship, to be registered without any conditions.

Doctors who come outside the province of this category can be granted registration subject to certain conditions, and these conditions nor- mally are that they work with the Government or with missionary bodies.
In recent years there are Malaysians, who have gone to medical schools 1519 28 MARCH 1966 1520 abroad whose qualifications would only be registrable with conditions, which means that they cannot go into private practice.

There is a general shortage of doctors in Malaya, parti- cularly in Government service.
The proposed amendment to the Medical Registration Ordinance will enable a citizen of the Federation, who comes within that category that is with foreign qualifications other than those from certain Commonwealth countries to be registered in two ways: the first, after passing an examination set by the Medical Council; or secondly after serving satisfactorily for at least three years with the Ministry of Health.
This will give a choice to doctors with foreign medical degrees to go immedi- ately into private practice after the examination, or to serve the Govern- ment for a period after which to go into private practice.

It is hoped that by this amendment many Malaysian doctors with foreign medical degrees from.

unrecognised institutions would come back to join Government service.

Sabah and Sarawak have their own Medical Registration Ordinances.
Act- ion will be taken to have one uniform Ordinance for Malaysia in due course.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr Deputy President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 3-- Dato' Athi Nahappan: Mr Chairman, Sir, will the Honourable the Minister say who is to be satisfied as to the satisfactory service to be rendered for three years?
I find here that the Direc- tor of Medical Services is required to give a certificate that the person is suitable.

Is he also required to satisfy himself that the doctor concerned had satisfactorily served for three years?

Is he the person or some other authority?

Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: The Director of Medical Services.

Clauses 1 to 3 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.
THE COMPANIES (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled the Companies (Amendment) Bill be read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second.

Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, Honourable Members will recall that the new Companies Act, 1965, was passed by the Dewan Ra`ayat at its session on the 9th August last year.
The Act was subsequently passed by this Senate on the 16th August last year, and assented to by His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong on the 5th November, 1965.

When the new Companies Bill was first introduced into Parliament, the Minister assured both Houses that if there were any practical difficulties encountered in the Companies Law, he would be prepared to come to the House, or Parliament, again to move any amendment con- sidered necessary and justified.
Although the Companies Act, 1965, is yet to come into force, representations have been received from the public concerning the high rate of fees charged for registration of new companies under the new Act.

As an example, it was pointed out that a new company with an authorised capital of $100,000,000 would have to pay a fee of $201,200 compared with $1,500 under the existing Ordinance, $5,350 in England and $26,270 in Australia.
In the light of these representations the Govern- ment has reviewed the registration fees chargeable under the new Act.

Whilst it could not consider reverting to the very low rates charged under the existing Companies Ordinance pres- cribed some 20 years ago in 1946, the Government has agreed to revise 1521 28 MARCH 1966 1522 substantially the rates of registration fees of companies with authorised capital exceeding $1,000,000.
As pro- posed in the Bill, subject to a maxi- mum of $35,000 the new rates are comparable to those obtainable in Australia which have been cited for comparison.

One may ask, why rates for companies with an authorised capital of $1,000,000 and less have not been reduced.

Having regard to present circumstances, the rates as prescribed under the new Companies Act in res- pect of those companies are considered reasonable.
They represent very modest increases over the existing rates which have been prescribed in circumstances prevailing 20 years ago.

The agreement of the House of Parliament is now sought for amend- ment of scale of fees now prescribed under the New Companies Act for the registration of companies in the light of representations of difficulties by the public.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly ead a second time and committed to Committee of the whole House.
House immedia ely resolved itself into a Committee n the Bill.

Bill considered i Committee.

(Mr Deputy Pres dent in the Chair) Clause 1 and 2 c rdered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported w thout amendment read the third time and passed.

ORDER O BUSINESS (M ^tion) Dato' T. H. Tan: dealing with the VIr President, Sir, in next item on the agenda, I beg leap e to move.
That the Federati Exchange (Incorpora appearing as item 18 considered immediat Export Registration n of Malaya Rubber ion) (Amendment) Bill in the Order Paper be 1y before the Rubber ill (item 17).

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Federation of Malaya Rubber Exchange (Incorporation) (Amendment) Bill appearing as item 18 in the Order Paper be considered immediately before the Rubber Export Registration Bill (item 17).
THE FEDERATION OF MALAYA RUBBER EXCHANGE (INCOR- PORATION (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Federation of Malaya Rubber Exchange (Incorporation) Act, 1962", be now read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second.


Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, the Federation of Malaya Rubber Exchange (Incorporation) Act was passed by Parliament in 1962, following which the Federation of Malaya Rubber Exchange was established in Kuala Lumpur.
The establishment of a rubber exchange in the country was motivated by a desire to have an organised rubber market which would regulate the trading of rubber in this country through a set of rules of conduct to ensure stability and discipline, and which would provide all the facilities of trading and safeguards necessary to traders and thereby ensure international confidence.
But since its inception in 1962, the Federation of Malaya Rubber Exchange, despite the persevering and diligent efforts of its Boards of Directors and Government financial support, has only met with limited success.

This is because the amount of business transacted through the exchange has not been up to expec- tations due mainly to the development towards direct trading between produ- cers and consumers without going through an organised market.
This deve- lopment, however, is a healthy one and should not be discouraged, especially in The purpose of ti its motion is merely this era, when we are progressively to facilitate explan ations to the Bills in developing technically to specify the question.
rubber and when we have to meet the 1523 28 MARCH 1966 1524 challenge of the aggressive sales While it is neither the Government's techniques of synthetic rubber which intention to interfere with the opera- are conducted direct between the producers and consumers.
As a result of this development, the volume of business passing through the Exchange has not yielded the revenue required to make it financially self-supporting, so that at the end of 1965, it was necessary for the Government to grant it a loan of $250,000 to enable the Exchange to meet its annual administrative expendi- ture.

At the end of 1965, the Govern- ment set up a committee of officials and representatives of the rubber trade and industry, to review the operation of the Exchange.
This committee recommended that in spite of the trend towards direct selling of rubber, the Exchange continues to exist.

As Malaysia is the biggest natural rubber producer in the world, it is in the national interest, as well as in the interest of the rubber trade and industry, that there should be an organised rubber market in this coun try.
Such a merket would ensure the availability of reliable information on prices, provide safeguards to producers, traders and consumers, in the form of contracts, brokers, guarantee arrange- dures, which are essential in creating confidence in international trade, and enable operation of various trading facilities such as auctions, hedging, arbitrary transactions.
However, the committee recommended that measures should be taken to improve the organisation and operation of the Exchange, in order to make it more effective; and to achieve this, it will be necessary for the Board of Directors of the Exchange to be enlarged from the present number of eleven members to a maximum of twenty-five, so that the Board could have on it a wider repre- sentation of persons with knowledge of international rubber trade.
It is also proposed to amend the rules and by-laws of the exchange so as to enable interlinking of its contracts with those of overseas markets and to admit the participation of overseas members in its activities.
tions of the Federation of Malaya Rubber Exchange, nor to hamper trade, Government considers it necessary that as the Exchange is incorporated by an Act of Parliament and will derive additional revenue from the fees on registration of rubber exports enforced by Government, the legislative provi- sions of which are set out in a separate Bill which will be moved later, it is appropriate that the Chairman and the Deputy Chairman should be appointed by the Government which should also have power to give to the Exchange directions not inconsistent with the provisions of the existing Act.
The Federation of Malaya Rubber Exchange began its operations prior to the forma- tion of Malaysia.

Now that we are a separate nation, it is only right that the organisation should be restyled from the "Federation of Malaya Rubber Exchange" as the "Malaysian Rubber Exchange" although at this stage its operations will be confined only to the States of Malaya.

Sir, the Federation of Malay.


Rubber Exchange has, since its inception, performed an essential function in the development of the posed re-organisation, the Government is confident that the Exchange will become an effective international rubber market.

Dato' J. E. S. Crawford : Mr Presi- dent.

Sir, I just wish to rise to fully support the Bill and to hope that this new Rubber Exchange will become the biggest Rubber Exchange in the world which it should be as Malaya is the biggest rubber producer.
Thank you.

(Applause).

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

ments, sampling and arbitration proce- country's rubber trade.

With the pro- 1525 28 MARCH 1966 1526 (Mr Deputy President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 8 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.
THE RUBBER EXPORT REGIS- TRATION BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to provide for the registration of rubber exported from the States of Malaya and for matters incidental thereto", be now read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second the motion.


Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, the Federation of Malaya Rubber Exchange which was established early in 1962 has met with limited success, partly because the amount of business transacted through the Exchange had not been up to expectations as a result of the development towards direct trading between producers and consu- mers without going through an orga- nised market.
This development was a healthy one which should not be discouraged in the face of aggressive sale techniques of synthetic rubber which are conducted direct between the producers and consumers.

Apart from this direct sale, there is also a good percentage of rubber which is consigned from this country to over- seas markets and sold at prices below those ruling in the Malaysian Market.
Thus, this type of sale which is different from that of direct sale between produ- cers and consumers not only bypasses the local market but deprives this country of foreign exchange.

The committee of officials and representa- tives of the rubber trade and industry which I mentioned earlier had examined this type of sale and had recommended that such a practice be discouraged.
This recommendation has been accepted by Government, and it has been decided that a legislation be introduced to Malaysia Rubber Exchange, and rubber shall only be exported on the issue of a certificate by the Exchange.

Through this method, it is possible to obtain particulars of rubber exports, particularly in respect of the price.

This is the main intention of the Bill now before this House .
Under the Bill, fees will have to be paid for the registration at such rates as the Minister of Commerce and Industry may fix from time to time, and such fees will be credited to the revenue of the Exchange.

It is hoped that these fees , which will be fixed at a very low rate , will provide the Exchange with adequate revenue for it to' meet its expenditure , so that it will not continue to depend on the Government financially .
In order to avoid any difficulty and unnecessary burden on the part of the trade, it has been decided that applications for certificates for rubber exports will be issued in denominations from one ton (every part of the ton to be regarded as one ton) to 50 toms and that application for such certificates and their uses can be made in advance .

Thus , the trader who has obtained a certificate in advance can export his rubber without any further difficulty.
The Bill also provides for the Minister of Commerce and Industry to make regulations for the proper carrying out of these provisions, and this will enable the Government to introduce from time to time measures which will be of interest to the rubber trade.

Sir, these are the main features of the Bill which is aimed at strengthening the rubber market in this country and making it viable and effective .
With the measures which it is proposed to take under the Bill for the re-organisation of the Exchange we can look forward to increased activities in the local rubber market which will benefit the national economy.

All factors of the rubber trade and industry have been consulted on this Bill and they have supported it unanimously.

Question put, and agreed to'.


Bill accordingly read a second time require all rubber shipped or exported and committed to a Committee of the overseas to be registered with the whole House.

1527 28 MARCH 1966 1528 House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

Mr Deputy President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 14 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

First Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Second Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.


Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.

THE HOUSING DEVELOPERS (CONTROL AND LICENSING) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to provide for the control and licensing of the business of Housing Development in the Federation and for matters connected therewith", be now read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, I beg to second.
Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, as was stated by the Honourable Minister for Local Government and Housing in the Dewan Ra`ayat, this Bill is a straightforward one and, as explained in the Explanatory Note of the Bill, the Bill, among other things, empowers the Minister to issue direc- tions to a Licensed Housing Developer for the purpose of safeguarding the interests of purchasers, make such other general directions as are con- sidered appropriate and to carry out investigations into the affairs of a housing developer.
Power is also given to the Minister to make rules for the purpose of administrating the Bill.

The Bill provides certain conditions which must be fulfilled before a hous- ing developer is issued with a licence to carry on any housing development.

Provision is made for the Controller of Housing to revoke a licence issued to a housing developer where the housing developer does not meet his obligations.
Provision is also made for a licensed developer to be heard before his licence is revoked, and the housing developer has the right to appeal to the Minister against any decisions of the Controller.

This Bill will only apply to the States of Malaya, and Co-operative societies are excluded from the operation of the Bill.
As members are aware, there have been repeated instances where innocent members of the public have fallen victims of rapacious and unscrupulous persons, who pose as housing deve- lopers and obtain substantial deposits as booking fees for houses, which they not only do not intend to build but also are in no position to do so.
The Ministry concerned has received a continuous stream of letters from several persons concerned that they have paid deposits for houses in hous- ing schemes and found to their dismay that no houses were being built and that they could not recover their deposits.

A good parallel to this are the mushroom insurance companies which only a few years ago prior to the introduction of the Insurance Act, 1963, swindled ignorant people of millions of dollars.
In the Dewan Ra`ayat the Minister concerned gave a large number of examples of cases of such swindling.

The Government, therefore, considers that some measures should be taken to protect the people from bogus hous- ing developers; hence the Bill before the Senate today.

Again, Sir, this subject had evoked much public interest in recent months and there is no doubt that some form of control must be exercised centrally by Government through housing and provision of housing accommodation is a State subject.
No bona fide developer, however need to have any fear of this legislation.

The Ministry of Local Government and Housing is currently drawing up rules under section 24 (1) of this Bill for the purpose of implementing the provisions contained in this Bill.

There appears to be some misgivings in certain quarters regarding the intro- duction of this Bill.
For instance, the 1529 28 MARCH 1966 1530 Kim Tin Seah, an Association of Penang and Province Wellesley Build- ing Contractors and Building Materials Suppliers held an emergency meeting to discuss the Bill and considered the hardships that would be imposed on them.

They fear that the introduction of this Bill would adversely affect the building industry, and that lots of workers in the industry will become unemployed.
The meeting resolved that they should appeal to the Minister of Local Government and housing to reconsider his decision on the relevant clauses which affect the small deve- lopers.

The Minister in the Lower House took the opportunity to allay the fears, especially the fears of the smalltime developers.

It will be seen from Clause 6 of section 2 that the Minister has absolute discretion to waive any or all the conditions set out in paragraphs (a), (b) or (d) of Sub- section 1 of Clause 6.
If a bona fide applicant for a licence under this Act is unable to comply with one or more of the conditions set out in Clause 6 of this Act, he should then produce cogent reasons for not being able to comply with such condi- tions.

It shall be in the discretion of the Minister, having considered all the reasons, to waive the whole or part of the conditions, if necessary.
The Act provides for an applicant to make a cash deposit of $100,000 or in determine; this could take, for example, the form of a banker's guarantee.

There is no reason for waiving the position of $100,000 deposit as pre-condition for licensing.

The fears on the part of the Associa- tion, which I mentioned earlier, are mainly imaginary and do not have sub- stance.

Any genuine, bona fide, developer need have no fear whatso- ever.
The Bill is primarily intended to protect the house purchasing public and not to stifle the building industry.

It is to be stated here that all State Governments have been consulted and they have given their unqualified support to this Bill and also, as required under Article 95 (A) of the Malaysian Constitution, the Bill has been agreed to by the National Council for Local Government at a meeting held recently.
Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka hendak berchakap dalam perkara Rang Undang2 ini kerana beberapa perkara mungkin timbul dengan ada- nya undang2 yang baharu ini.
Satu perkara yang mustahak mendapat ke- terangan, tetapi Menteri tidak ada di-sini, saya tidak tahu-lah ada-kah Yang Berhormat Dato' T. H. Tan kita dapat memberi keterangan yang jelas, is-itu dalam beberapa fasal permulaan dalam mana di-sebutkan dalam undang2 ini is-itu apa yang di-katakan housing development di-sharatkan lebeh daripada 4 units bangunan rumah.

Jadi, perkara ini saya rasa ada-lah sangat kechil unit yang di- tetapkan yang mesti di-kenakan lesen itu.
Jadi, umpama-nya kalau sa-kira- nya satu2 prang yang mempunyai sa-keping tanah umpama-nya dan dia suka hendak memajukan tanah itu dengan modal-nya sendiri--dengan modal-nya sendiri untok membena beberapa unit rumah untok di-jualkan kapada orang ramai.

Jadi, dengan ini kalau mengikut undang2 ini tiap2 prang yang hendak membena rumah dengan tujuan at.au pun chita2 hendak jualkan rumah itu, hendak-lah lebeh dahulu mendapatkan lesen.
Apabila hendak dapatkan lesen itu sharat-nya mesti-lah menyimpan wang cash $100,000.
Jadi, bagi orange yang ber- modal kechil yang mempunyai tanah- nya sendiri yang suka hendak me- majukan tanah itu untok menchari ketenangan dengan chara menjualkan rumah itu, mereka itu sa-Lain daripada mempunyai tanah-nya sendiri yang sudah menja.di modal-nya terpaksa menchari wang $100,000 untok di- simpan kapada Kerajaan dan mesti menchari pula beberapa ratus ribu ringgit pula untok mendirikan ba- ngunan itu sa-belum bangunan itu dapat di-jual.
Jadi, chara ini saya rasa sunggoh pun undang2 ini kita di-sini tidak boleh menegah, tidak baleh membangkang, tetapi pada pandangan saya chara ins is-lah chara menyekat pehak orange yang kechil, orang yang such other form as the Minister may deposit kapada Kerajaan sa-banyak 1531 28 MARCH 1966 1532 mempunya:i tanah, yang bermodal tempat mana , rumah mana, berapa kechil , untok membena rumah dengan besar, bagaimana pelan-nya.

Di-sini sa-chara kechil menchari keuntongan beza-nya jauh .
Ma`ana Benda peru- daripada hasil tanah yang ada pada- mahan ini, benda yang mesti ada di- nya itu .

Dan orange ini apabila di- lihat.

Ada tempat- nya, ada geran-nya- - sekat bagini terpaksa menyerahkan lain, lain daripada perkara insurance.

tanah itu kapada kapitalis2 yang mem- Perkara insurance ini bo^leh jadi di- punyai modal yang besar untok men- jalankan perniagaan perumahan itu.

Jadi , bagi saya , saya nampak dengan.


chara ini kita mengurangkan , menahan perkembangan perumahan, perniagaan perumahan ini di -kalangan peringkat yang bermodal rendah dan kita meng- galakkan kaum2 modal yang besar memegang tanah2 , memperniagakan rumah2 dengan menggunakan , dengan menekan kapada pehak2 pemodal kechil yang mempunyai to nah2 yang sadikit mi.
tipu dengan kerana orang kampong tidak tahu di-mana tempat-nya invest- ment yang di -buat-nya itu t.idak di- ketahu , chuma di-beri resit , di-beri geran , di-beri surat itu sahaja.

Apa yang mereka boleh pegangkan chuma pegang surat, tetapi perkara rumah dan tanah ini perkara lain.
Jadi, saya tida.k tahu-lah chita2 yang lebeh jauh bagi Kementerian ini, tetapi apa yang saya bimbangkan, kita menyekat perkembangan perumahan ini, umpama-nya kalau negeri yang Jadi, kalau sa-kira -nya perhatian kurang maju saperti di-Pantai Timor yang berat tidak di-beri kapada pe- umpama-nya, pemodal2 besar daripada modal2 kechil ini, saga rasa ini boleh, Singapura, daripada Kuala Lumpur, yang pertam.a boleh kita menahan yang pergi ka-Kota Bharu, bandar kemajuan bagaimana rayuan yang di- buat oleh beberapa pertubohan itu.
Yang kedua, kita memberi satu gala kan kapada peinodal2 bestir supaya mereka ini monopoly perniagaan peru- mahan mi.

Saya rasa perkara peru- mahan ini berbeza dengan perkara insurance .

P'erkara insurance nyawa, lain.

P'erkara insurance nyawa ini yang belum dapat di-buka.

Dia pergi di-sang , dia dapat tanah2, di-dirikan rumah2 untok perniagaan, manakala tuan tanah itu sendiri tidak dapa.t hendak menjalankan , kerana, tidak ada wang cash yang boleh di-simpan dengan Kerajaan.
Jadi, ma`ana-nya, kalau ada bumiputera kita yang meln- punyal tanah sendiri yang ada usaha boleh di-tipu kapada ra`ayat, kerana dan fikiran sendiri untok mengambil orange yang menjual insurance itu, dia bahagian dalam perumahan ini, maka pergi ka-kampong membawa lidah, membawa suara berchakap , membawa bumiputera itu tidak dapat menjalan- kan, walau pun ada tanah, walau pun borang--itu sahaja , tetapi perkara ada harta .

Jadi, itu perkara yang besar perumahan ini berbeza .
Sa; orang yang hendak membeli rumah , dia hendak tengok di-mana rumah itu hendak di- buat.

Ada-kah tidak tanah tapak-nya.

Di-mana pelan-nya.

Berbagai2 soal yang akan timbul daripada orang yang he,nd ak membeli rumah , atau pun hendak membeli tanah di-tempat rumah itu hendak di-dirikan .

mi ber- beza jauh daripada company insurance.

Company insurance ini chuma di- keluarkain resit.

Di-beri surat , kata-nya sudah di-akul di -masokkan dalam insurance , tetapi perkara membeli rumah dan tanah ini lain.
Satu orang yang hendak membeli tanah, atau hendak membeli rumah , dia mahu tengok , mahu pileh di-mana tanah-nya, yang menjadi masaalah-nya, terutama- nya di-negeri saya di-Kelantan, semua tanah boleh di-katakan dalam Malay Reservation.

Malay Reservation itu, orang bangsa lain, atau orang yang bukan Melayu tidak boleh dapat me- mileki tanah, tetapi kalau sa-kira-nya di-adakan sharat pula, orange Melayu bumiputera yang hendak bua.t rumah itu keno simpan $100,000 deposit dengan Kerajaan.
Tanah ada, wang cash tidak ada.

Jadi , hendak mengator pelan tidak boleh, hendak panggil orang lain datang membeli ta.nah, tidak dapat, kerana orange lain tidak dapat memileki tanah itu.

Jadi dua kesulitan yang besar.

Jadi, perkembangan peru- mahan, perniagaan perumahan ini pada 1533 28 MARCH 1466 1534 segi bumiputera pun menjadi satu Ta`arif tentang menjual ini, saya halangan yang besar.
Mereka ini tidak dapat hendak itu pada mula-nya dia kata dia hendak mendaftarkan diri bagi menjadi ahli perniagaan rumah yang berlesen dengan sa-benar2 -nya, kerana tidak ada modal cash .

Jadi , daripada Bill ini , ada satu sharat yang mengatakan Menteri boleh menimbangkan, menghapuskan be- berapa sharat itu.
Jadi , saya minta supaya apabila Bill ini berjalan, Men- teri yang berkenaan itu memberi satu perkechualian yang khas kapada kaum2 yang bermodal kechil , terutama-nya bagi bumi'putera kita yang chuba hendak mengambil bahagian sama dalam hat perumahan ini supaya tidak di-kenakan , tidak di-kenakan sharat yang mesti menyimpan wang deposit cash dengan Kera j aan dalam perkara perniagaan perumahan mi.
Saya suka hendak bertanya satu lagi is-lah perkataan di-sini di-katakan ma`ana developer itu is -lah kata dia di-ma`anakan untok pembangunan, mendirikan rumah, atau pun tempat tinggal di-atas tanah.

Kata dia di-sini : With the view of selling.


Jadi, ma`ana- nya pada pandangan hendak menjual rumah itu , baik , kalau sa-kira -nya, ada satu prang, yang berpakat 10 orang umpama-nya dia bena rumah itu dengan satu pakatan yang tidak di- sebutkan dengan chadangan hendak menjual , tetapi satu perkomgsian yang lebeh daripada empat orang itu , bagai- mana sharat2 undang2 ini, ada-kah orange ini mesti mendapat lesen dahulu , baharu dapat buat rumah?
Pada hal, dia bukan satu developer yan e be tul2, yang hendak berniaga tidak.

Dia ada tanah, dia hendak develop, dia berpakat dengan kawan dia, rakan dia--boleti 10 orang, satu rumah satu orang.

Kita buat.

Buat masing2 bell.

Di-situ beli itu ma`ana- nya sudah termasok di-bawah undang2 ini, tetapi pada hakikat-nya bukan bell macham satu perkongsian sahaja.- masing2 membeli rumah itu.
Ada-kah ini di- sifatkan developer yang mesti di-lesen dan mesti menyimpan deposit mengikut sharat, atau pun bagaimana hendak di -ta`arifkan orang yang sa- macham ini?

fikir satu perkara yang rumit juga, sebab orang yang hendak buat rumah j ual.

Dia buat dahulu.

Bila rumah sudah siap, dia jual.

Bila dia jual, ta' siapa yang tahu.

Ia jual senyap2 macham itu.

Jadi, dalam undang2 ini ada mensharatkan, tidak ada sa- saorang itu boleh tulis nama-nya sa- bagai Housing Developer, melainkan mendapat lesen.
Dia tidak tulis Housing Developer.

Dia tidak pakai sign board.

Dia tidak pakai nama.

Dia buat senyap2 sahaja dengan tidak ada sign board, atau pun tidak masok nama sa-bagai Housing Developer, tetapi dia berpakat buat rumah, kemudian dia jual.

Ada-kah ini di- masokkan di-bawah ta`arif mesti di- sifatkan orang yang mesti mendapat lesen.
Jadi, ini-lah beberapa perkara yang saya minta keterangan daripada Menteri yang berkenaan dan kira-nya Menteri ini ta' ada, sa-bagaimana Menteri kita kata tadi, ada orange di-belakang bangku kita ini, tolong- lah ambil ingatan dan menyampaikan kapada Menteri yang berkenaan supaya apa yang kita perkatakan di-sini di- ambil ingatan, is-itu sa-bagaimana yang di-takuti oleh beberapa pertubo- han pehak yang kechil ini di-takuti oleh monopoly oleh pehak kaum modal yang besar yang boleh menge- luarkan modal di-situ.
Saya takut kerana bagini, ada kej adian2 dalam negeri kita ini macham Malaya Borneo Building Society.

Malaya Borneo Building Society ini yang di-bantu oleh Kerajaan dengan modal sa-bagai kemudahan, apabila pemodal yang kechil umpama-nya hendak meminta bantuan modal atau pun hendak buat scheme atau pun hendak mendapat- kan bantuan modal daripada Malaya Borneo Building Society.
bila kita hendak dapat modal daripada Malaya Borneo Building Society, Malaya Borneo Building Society kata apa, dia kata wang tidak ada, estimate tidak ada.

Tetapi ada kala-nya, apabila kita menemui satu2 sharikat lain orang lain orang itu pergi kapada Malaya Borneo Building Society, Malaya Borneo Building Society boleh keluar- kan modal ada pula wang-nya !

Jadi 15 35 28 MARCH 1966 1536 Malaya Borneo Building Society ini pun satu penyakit.
Saya tengok di- Borneo Building Society ini patut juga Kerajaan awasi betul2.

Apabila orang kita pergi berjumpa dengan-nya, hendak minta pinj aman untok mem- buat rumah, dia kata wang tidak ada.

Tetapi kalau ada sharikat, ada orang lain yang pergi kapada Malaya Borneo Building Society, dia kata, dia boleh keluarkan modal dengan chukup.

Sa- hingga ada sa-tengah yang saya tahu, apabila pergi kapada Malaya Borneo Building Society, dia kata wang tidak ada, boleh pergi berkira dengan E.P.F.

E.P.F.
E.P.F.

boleh memberi wang menerusi Malaya Borneo Building Society.

Ini dia !

Jadi E.P.F.

tidak dapat memberi pinj aman wang untok perumahan kapada orange yang tidak di-akui betul2 mempunyai kelayakan.

Jadi, ada orang yang berbaik, yang chukup rapat dengan Malaya Borneo Building Society ini, di-beri satu nasehat; "Awak pergi berjumpa dengan E.P.F., E.P.F.

boleh memberi wang kapada Borneo Building Society, Borneo Building Society beri kapada taukeh itu.
Taukeh itu beri kapada bumi- putera dan bumiputera ini boleh buat rumah.

Jadi j alan j auh, kalau bumiputera mahu dapat pinjaman daripada Malaya Borneo Building Society ini, kena-lah pusing ikut taukeh.

Ada benda ber- laku bagitu yang sa-patut di-kaji.


Jadi, bagi saya kalau Malaya Borneo Building Society tidak boleh menolong dalam perumahan kapada orang yang pendapatan rendah, menerusi sharikat2 rendah, chuma menolong kapada perengkat yang besar2 sahaj a, j adi dengan membawa undang2 ini, lagi berat bagi pehak kaum yang kechil ini hendak dapatkan bantuan daripada Keraj aan dalam satu2 scheme.
Yang saya terpaksa berchakap benda ini kerana terutama sa-kali di-negeri Kelantan; banyak tanah kosong, banyak ranchangan perumahan boleh di-buat tetapi apabila approach Borneo Building Society dia kata wang tidak ada.

Ini dia !

Jadi, itu-lah saya hendak minta supaya Kementerian yang berke- naan mengambil perhatian yang berat dalam perkara ini.

Sekian, terima kaseh.


Enche' Lim Hee Hong : Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berkenaan uchapan Senator Nik Hassan tadi, saya bersetuju dengan pendapat dia tetapi ada satu j alan saya tunj okkan kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat itu.

Di-dalam Kuala Lumpur ada satu dua company (developer) yang membena rumah yang tidak payah di-beri tanah.

Dia ber- kongsi sama dengan tuan tanah itu.

j adi kedua2 orang berpakat masok plan di-Local Authority.

Bila plan itu sudah di-luluskan dia advertise men- -j ual rumah2 dia.
Kalau ada orang hendak membeli rumah pergi-lah sama dia membayar chengkeram, kalau bagini dia tidak payah pergi sana, dia dapat plan approved, dapat tanah, tidak kena bayar wang.

Tetapi kalau dia masok kongsi, bila sudah jual satu2 rumah dia bayar sama tuan rumah itu, j adi tidak payah-lah masok banyak modal.

Fasal ini banyak orang sudah kena tipu yang saya dapat tahu.

Terima kaseh.

Enche' S. 0.

K. Ubaidulla : Mr Pre- sident, Sir, I welcome this Bill very warmly as a timely and much needed one.
I have also learned of the assurance given by the Minister con- cerned in the Lower House, and the same has been again said by the Honourable Dato' T. H. Tan just now.

I have also read the powers of the Minister in sub-clause (2) of Clause 6.

However, Sir, the compelling and realistic reason which was given by those people concerned with the building industry is not a thing that should be overlooked.
The provision of $500,000 paid-up capital and $100,000 deposit would appear to be too small a figure for a big-build company and too big a figure for a small-build company.

When the Bill intends to control even four-unit housing schemes, the amount of $500,000 paid-up capital and $100,000 deposit would appear a very large one.

I would rather suggest a sliding scale that would be more realistic say, $100,000 paid-up capi- tal and $20,000 deposit.
This would 1537 28 MARCH 1966 1538 be the beginning of the sliding scale and it can go up depending on the largeness of the company.

This would appear to be a figure that would stimulate small developers to come forward to develop their business.

Sir, I would appeal to the Honour- able Minister to consider this question favourably.
Though I know that he has all the powers to help the genuine developers, but if this suggestion goes into the Bill it will cut down a lot of the unnecessary intervening and giving of his precious time.

Dato' Athi Nahappan : Mr President, Sir, I should just like to make one or two remarks.

Sir, there is no mention at all throughout this Bill and I have been trying to run through it about the developers evidence in relation to the land on which the buildings are to be put up.
A number of instances have been discovered where a person who does not own a land, or he owns it in undivided co- ownership with someone else, puts up buildings and the buyers believing that the land is the person's, believing that he may be the absolute owner or hoping that one day he will sub-divide the land and issue the necessary title, do go into bargains and buy a property and they seem to be end- lessly waiting.
In the meanwhile, the property is mortgaged and comfort- ably remains in the hands of a bank, who has first priority claim over the land, and if there is default on the part of the developer, the bank certainly has a first charge over the land.

The people who have bought the properties just have a building as their own which cannot be removed, and in terms of law if it is a fixture it becomes part of the land.
We have not heard instances where people have been asked to vacate, but I know of a number of agreements which have been made and houses were bought in the hope of getting sub-divided title and people are waiting and waiting.

Now, in imposing conditions here, under Clause 5, the Controller is given a wide range of discretionary power : may deem fit and proper.
I suggest that before issuing any kind of licence, the Controller should satisfy himself as to the land itself, whether or not the buyer of the house ultimately will be in a position to get his land safely and without having to face risks and hazards.

Because these simple buyers hope to get the land they are in great need they simply enter into agree- ments, taking some risks.
Since this is a remedial legislation, and Govern- ment has taken upon the paternal role of helping people, I should suggest that the conditions should include also the question of ownership of land of the developers.

I consider this is fundamental and important.

In fact.

I have known of cases where osten- sible builders went and showed some property that did not belong to them and collected the advance money and disappeared.
I have also known of cases where there had been difficulty in getting sub-divisions because of quarrels between the undivided co- owners and they had not been able to come to some kind of agreement on divisions as to the parcels of land.

This is an important question, but unfortunately the Bill is silent on it nowhere does it mention about the question of land ownership.
Now, with regard to the other point, the discretion vested in the Minister, he can of course waive off all the conditions as stated in Clause 6.
This idea of $100,000 he may waive that as well completely or he may impose partly, but I think the work of the Minister is going to be unenviable because very often he may find himself in a position of having to waive off in respect of a company, or a group of persons, who are financially very sound and impose conditions on people who are with very limited capital and want to enter into this project; and if he tries to show discretion to one, then very often he might be the object of very strong adverse criticism on the ground that the wealthier ones are being given the benefit of discretion and the moderate ones are being penalised with these conditions.
But, then, the Minister has he may impose such conditions as he the responsibility to see that the buyer 1539 28 MARCH 1966 1540 gets security.
I would, on the other is-itu di-sini ada di-sebut is-itu : hand, go along with my friend, the untok membenakan rumah2 untok di- Honourable Senator Ubaidulla : let jual dan jikalau-lah pada rasa saya there be a clear-cut scale so much of capital involved, so much of deposit ada sa-kumpulan dua tiga orang yang membuat rumah bersama untok di- you have to raise and deposit with bahagikan di-antara mereka itu, prang the Government, rather than leaving ini tentu-fah tidak mengeluarkan wang it with the Minister it may be more, pendahuluan kapada sa-siapa yang it may be less.
It may be a subject of tertentu.

accusations that favouritism has been shown in one case and not in the other case.

I do not know how the Ministry is going to exercise this very wide and absolute discretion under sub-clause 2 of Clause 6.

As regards the deposit itself, it is not very clear.

During the time avail- able I have been trying to see the point as to when this deposit will be returned.

There does not seem to be provision as to that.


Presumably, when the building is over, the deposit will be returned, and it will not be kept unduly long time, because many of these people may have to borrow money to make the deposit and the Government should not sleep over the question of returning the deposit.

There should be again a fixed time period and I hope that it will be given in the regulations that may be intro- duced under this legislation.
With these observations, Sir, I consider this is a very desirable Bill in the light of experience gained; and I hope that this will bring about the good that it is intended.

Thank you very much.

The Minister for Welfare Services (Titan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan bin Haji Sakhawat Ali Khan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menguchapkan ribuan terima kaseh kapada tuan2 yang telah berchakap, yang menyokong Rang Undang2 mi.
Tentang keraguan bagi sa-tengah2 Ahli Yang Berhormat ia- itu berkenaan dengan wang petarohan, is-itu sa-bagaimana telah di-nyatakan is-itu dalam Clause 6 (2) Menteri ada berkuasa penoh untok menim- bangkan perkara itu, dan saya rasa keraguan itu tidak payah-lah timbul.

Tujuan Bill ini ada-lah untok menjagakan kepentingan orange yang membeli rumah yang memberi deposit.

jika kerana soal deposit ini tidak berbangkit, j adi keraguan ini tidak ada.

Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr Deputy President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 24 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment : read the third time and passed.
THE NATIONAL LAND REHABILI- TATION AND CONSOLIDATION AUTHORITY (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that the Bill intituled "an Act to amend the National Land Rehabilitation and Consolidation Authority Act, 1966" be read a second time.

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, I beg to second.
Menteri Tanah dan Galian (Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, oleh kerana sebab2 di-kemukakan Rung Undang2 ini ada Satu perkara lagi yang di-bangkitkan di-terangkan dengan jelas-nya dalam oleh sa-orang Ahli Yang Berhormat huraian pada hujong Rang Undang2 berkenaan dengan perkataan "develop" ini maka tidak-lah perlu saya rasa 1541 yang lain.

28 MARCH 1966 1542 bagi saya menambahkan penj elasan (Mr Deputy President in the Chair) Question put, and agreed to.

stand part of the Bill.


Clauses 1 to 5 inclusive ordered to Bill accordingly read a second time Bill reported without amendment : and committed to a Committee of the read the third time and passed.

whole House.

House immediately resolved itself Members, the Senate is now adjourned into a Committee on the Bill.

sine die.

Mr Deputy President : Honourable Bill considered in Committee .
Adjourned at 7.22 p.m. 1543 28 MARCH 1966 1544 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS MINISTRY OF EDUCATION a plan for the establishment of a special regional institute to deal with mutual problems in education of the ASA countries, and the progress made Teachers so far.

1.
1.

Tuan S. P. S. Nathan asks the Minister of Education to state clearly whether it was an off-cuff complaint or whether he has evidence to prove that a handful of teachers are only devoting 10 per cent of their time to their duties as teachers and spend the rest of the time in trade union activi- ties, as alleged by him recently in Segamat, and whether he knows to which unions these teachers are affiliated, the names of the unions, and what action he intends to take against these teachers.

Tuan Mohd.
Tuan Mohd.

Khir Johan: At the moment there is no proposal yet for the establishment of a regional educa- tional institute specially for ASA countries.

However, a proposal is being put forward by this Ministry to the Secretariat of South-East Asian Minis- ters of Education for the possible establishment of such an Institute as a Regional project.

Sixth Form Centre 4.


Tuan S. P. S. Nathan asks the Minister of Education to state whether it is a fact that there is only one centre The Minister of Education (Tuan in the State of Pahang for students Mohd .
Khir Johari) : My reference to wishing to take up Higher School some teachers devoting 10% of Certificate, and if so, whether the their teaching time to duties as Ministry of Education is planning to teachers and the remainder for trade open up new centres elsewhere in the union activities was based on reports State of Pahang.

which have come to me.

These require investigation and if they are proved, I shall cause action to be taken in accordance with the existing regula- tions.

Tuan Mohd.
Tuan Mohd.

Khir Johari: In the 1965 Sixth Form Entrance Examina- tion only 33 science candidates and 28 art candidates in Pahang qualified for Sixth Form education.

These num- Until I have definite proof, I am bers do not, as yet, warrant the opening unable to state which unions the of more than one Sixth Form centre teachers belong to.

in the State of Pahang.

Higher Educational Facilities in Malaysia Automatic Promotion to Form Five 2.

Tuan S. P. S. Nathan asks the 5.


Tuan S. P. S. Nathan asks the Minister of Education to state when Minister of Education whether his the preliminary work on the proposed Ministry has received any complaint Penang University would start and from parents of students in Form Four what faculties are to be housed in this university.

Tuan Mohd .
Tuan Mohd .

Khir Johari: The Higher Education Planning Committee which is reviewing the needs for higher educational facilities in Malaysia as a whole is in the process of concluding of the "tidak apa" attitude of the teachers, who are alleged to have told the students that they could consider the year as a "Honeymoon Year" and relax in view of the automatic promo- tion to Form Five.

Tuan Mohd.

Khir Johari: The its report.


This review includes the Ministry has not received any formal question of having university level complaint on this matter although education in Penang in the context of something to this effect has been talked the country's overall needs for higher about.

education.

Regional Educational Institute Association of Passed Students of the Tamil Teachers' Preparatory Examination 3.
Tuan S. P. S. Nathan asks the Minister of Education whether the Ministry of Education is working out 6.

Tuan S. P. S. Nathan asks the Minister of Education to state catego- rically, from the beginning, what 1545 28 MARCH 1966 1546 transpired between the Ministry of Education and the members of the Association of Passed Students of the Tamil Teachers' Preparatory Examina- tion, before certain members of the 7.
Tuan S. P. S. Nathan asks the Minister of Education to state without any reservation, what the Ministry of Education proposes to offer to the members of the Association of Passed Association went on a Hunger Strike Students of the Tamil Teachers' early this year.

Tuan Mohd.
Tuan Mohd.

Khir Johari: Prior to 1956 those who had not attained their 20th birthday and had passed the Standard 7 (Tamil examination) which was also known as the Preparatory Examination for Tamil / Telegu tea- chers, were eligible for employment as teachers in schools where vacancies existed and to receive training in the part-time teacher training classes.
In accordance with the recommen- dations of the Report of the Education Committee, 1956, it was decided to discontinue the Standard 7 (Tamil examination) after August 1958.

This decision was in line with the Educa- tion Policy which requires, as the minimum qualification for teachers in both National and National-Type Primary Schools to possess a basic educational qualification a Lower Certi- ficate of Education plus approved professional training.
However, appeals and representations were made to the Ministry of Education by some of the students to conduct the Standard 7 examination for their own academic improvement.

It was clearly undertaken by these students who made the appeals with the purpose of their request was to enable them obtain employment in other walks of life and not necessarily teaching.
In consideration of the appeals, the Ministry of Education allowed an extension of the Standard 7 examina- tion for a further period of two years, i.e., 1956 and 1960.

During this two-year period the classes were organised and conducted on a private basis by the students concerned.

When the Ministry of Education refused to consider the demand made by the Association of Passed Students Preparatory Examination once and for all to settle their long outstanding claims.

Tuan Mohd.
Tuan Mohd.

Khir Johari: The Ministry of Education has issued a press statement indicating to the members of the Association of Passed Students of the Tamil Teachers' Preparatory Examination that the Ministry is willing to grant a further concession to the particular group for which the claim has been made, regard- ing age for entry to the Tamil medium unit at the Day Training College at Kuala Lumpur provided they sat and passed the Lower Certificate of Educa- tion by the end of 1968.
This means that these students will have three more years to study and qualify themselves for training as teachers.

Tamil Language 8.

Tuan S. P. S. Nathan asks the Minister of Education to state what facilities the Ministry has provided for children who pass standard six in Tamil language to continue and enrich themselves in the language to enter the Indian Studies Department in the University of Malaya.

Tuan Mohd .
Tuan Mohd .

Khir Johari: Though the media of instruction in aided secondary schools are the National Language and English, there is provision for the study of Tamil Language in the secondary school from Form One right up to Form Six if 15 or more pupils request for the teaching of this lan- guage.
Pupils can offer Tamil as a subject in the Lower Certificate of Education Examination, in the Malay- sian Certificate of Education,/School Certificate Examination, and in the Higher School Certificate Examination.

of the Tamil Teachers' Preparatory 9.

Than S. P. S. Nathan asks the Examination that part-time training for such teachers be re-opened some members of the Association went on a hunger strike.
Minister of Education whether he is aware of the wide gap created in between standard six and the University level to an aspiring student who wants 1547 28 MARCH 1966 1548 to take a degree course in the Indian Studies Department of the University of Malaya.

Than Mohd.
Than Mohd.

Khir Johari: As has been stated in the answer to another question the aspiring pupils who wish to take a degree course in the Indian Studies Department of the University of Malaya can study Tamil from the primary school and continue the study of that language in the secondary school.

They may offer Tamil as a subject in the Lower Certificate of Education, in the Malaysia School Certificate/School Certificate Examina- tion, and in the Higher School Certi- ficate Examination.

10.
10.

Than S. P> S. Nathan asks the Minister of Education to state (a) what is the response for the teaching of Tamil or Chinese languages in the Englishstream schools for children who wish to study these languages; (b) what is the number of English stream schools in the State of Sela- ngor, and the number of such schools in which the above two languages are taught.

Than Mohd.

Khir Johari: (a) The response has been very satisfactory.
(b) In the State of Selangor out of a total of 164 English medium primary and secondary schools, Chinese and Tamil are being taught as a subject in 130 of these schools.

The Minister of Home Affairs (Dato' Dr Ismail bin Dato' Haji Abdul Rah man): The Government of any country has the right to prohibit entry into its territory publications or other pro- paganda materials which it considers to be prejudicial to its interests.
Publications from overseas including those from the State of Singapore will be dealt with in accordance with the above international practice.

MINISTRY OF FINANCE National Shipping Line 1.2.

Tuan S. P. S. Nathan asks the Minister of Finance to give some d.tails of a proposed shipping line to serve countries in South-East Asia, Australia and New Zealand, which he had discussed with the Australian visitors attending the Seminar on Democracy and Development, held recently in Kuala Lumpur.
The Minister of Finance (Tuan Tan Slew Sin): The Malaysian Govern- ment has under study the question as to whether or not there should be a national shipping line, and if so, how this should be formed.
Whether such a line if established should serve South- East Asia, as well as Australia and New Zealand arose in a general dis- cussion that the Minister of Finance had with a group of journalists and university staff from Australia on 22nd February, 1966 on matters relating to finance, economics and politics in the context of Malaysia in the South- East Asian region.

In such circums- tances it is premature to go into MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS details at this stage.
Publications 1L Tuan S. P. S. Nathan asks the Mir^s,er of Home Affairs whether there is any substance in the allegations made by vthe leaders in the Borneo territories against the Singapore Government's publications, alleging that they are trying to drive a_ wedge between them and the Central Govern- ment, and if so, what steps the Central Government proposes to take against the entry and distribution of such publications in the Malaysian States.
MINISTRY OF LABOUR Extension of Collective Bargaining Agreements 13.

Tuan S. P. S. Nathan asks the Minister of Labour to clarify the difficulties which have arisen in the passage of legislation on Extension of Collective Bargaining Agreements finalised by the N.J.L.A.C.

some four years ago.

The Minister of Labour (Tuan V. Manickavasagam ): The original draft 1549 28 MARCH 1966 1550 of the Bill has been found to be inadequate .

The Bill is still under close examination by the Government.
Relationship between the Ministry of Labour, Employers' Organisations and Trade Unions 14.

Tuan S. P. S. Nathan asks the Minister of Labour in view of the alarming crisis-ridden state of relations between the Ministry of Labour, em- ployers' organisations and trade unions, whether he would favourably consider convening a top-level conference of representatives of these groups to discuss and lay down broad guide lines on industrial relations for comp- liance by all concerned.
Tuan V. Manickavasagam : I do not consider that the state of relations between the Ministry of Labour, employers' organisations and trade unions in this country is in any way alarming or crisis-ridden.

Trade Disputes 15.
Trade Disputes 15.

Tuan S. P. S. Nathan asks the Ministry of Labour to state if he was aware that there is developing serious despondency amongst trade union circles that employers are taking undue advantage of the Essential (Trade Disputes) Regulations, 1965, to dodge negotiations on claims and referring even ordinary items to the Industrial Arbitration Tribunal, and what action he has taken or contemplates taking to reverse this trend.
Tuan V. Maniekavasagam: The power to refer a trade dispute to the Tribunal is vested in the Minister alone and I will only do so where I am satisfied that the parties themselves have exhausted all possible means of coming to a settlement by themselves.

In any case, of the 34 disputes so far reported to me under the Regulations, 26 of the reports were made by workers' trade unions and 11 of the 14 disputes referred to the Tribunal, were originally reported to me by such trade unions.
M NISTRY OF LANDS AND MINES Land Alienation 16.

Tuan S. P. S. Nathan asks the Minister of Lands and Mines to state Government's policy on land aliena- tion for large scale agricultural deve- lopment.
The Minister of Lands and Mines (Tuan Abdui Rahman bin Ya`kub): The policy followed by State Govern- ments as formulated by the National Land Council in 1965 is as follows : (a) In view of the Federal Govern- ment's declared policy for greater diversification of our agricultural economy and to encourage and foster the expansion of private capital investments, Land Appli- cation Books which have hitherto been closed may now be re- opened but only to the extent of permitting applications to be made under the Land Code in respect of specific areas selected and indicated by the State Authority.
(h) Areas to be alienated for small- holders, co-operatives, companies and private enterprises, should first be selected with due regard to relevant factors and earmarked by the State Authority.

(c) The extent and procedure of alienation of land to companies should be left to the discretion of the State Governments bearing in mind the prime need for additional revenue to meet State Expenditure.
(d) Alienation of land to companies be confined to remote areas while land near road frontage be ear- marked for alienation to small- holders under organised schemes.

(e) Alienation of land to companies should only be considered for the cultivation of crops other than rubber.

17.

Tuan S. P. S. Nathan asks the Minister of Lands and Mines to state whether the allocation of 55,000 acres of land at Kampong Aur in the Pekan District for oil palm cultivation to the 1551 Yes.
28 MARCH 1966 1552 newly formed Pahang Permanent The Minister of Transport (Dato' Government Staff Co-operative Society Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir ): The dis- is consistent with Government land pute between the Commission and the alienation policy.

`Tuan Abdul Rahman bin Ya`kub: 18.


Tuan S. P. S. Nathan asks the Minister of Lands and Mines to give details of blocks of land alienated to genuine and traditional cultivators, planters and ra`ayat for agricultural development during 1965 and the first quarter of 1966.

Tuan, Abdul Rahman bin Ya`kub: Answer will be sent to the Honourable Member as soon as all the necessary details are obtained from all the State Governments.

State Commissioner of Lands and Mines 19.


Tuan S. P. S. Nathan asks the Minister of Lands and Mines to state if it is a normal practice for a State Commissioner of Lands and Mines to be elected Secretary of a Co-operative Society which has been allocated 55,000 acres for oil palm cultivation.

Tuan Abdul Rahman bin Ya`kub: No; and I am not aware that any State Commissioner of Lands and Mines has been elected, by virtue of his office, Secretary of any Co-operative Society.
MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT The Penang Port Commission 20.

Tuan S. P. S. Nathan asks the Minister of Transport in view of the serious threat to port operations at Penang following a deadlock in nego- tiations on a wage claim and improved conditions of service between the Penang Port Commission and the Penang Port Commission Employees Union, what action he has taken, or proposes to take, to restore good rela- tions between the two parties.
Penang Port Commission Employees Union relating to the Union's claims for revision of salaries and conditions of service which falls within the pro- vince of the Ministry of Labour has virtually been reported by both the Union and the Commission to the Honourable the Minister of Labour under regulation 4 of the Essential (Trade Disputes in the Essential Ser- vices) Regulations, 1965.
It is under- stood that the Industrial Relations Division of the Ministry of Labour is actively dealing with the matter with a view to promoting a settlement of the dispute.

It is hoped that the efforts of the officials of the Ministry of Labour, which handles these matters will be successful.

21.
21.

Tuan S. P. S. Nathan asks the Minister of Transport in view of the serious threat at disruption of the port operations at Penang, whether he would modify his directive to the Penang Port Commission so that more funds may be made available to the Commission to enable the Commission to reach an amicable settlement with the Union on its wage claim and improved conditions of service.
Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: As the dispute is now dealt with by the Ministry of Labour under the provisions of the Essential Regulations, the dispute will in all probability be referred to the Industrial Arbitration Tribunal if the Minister of Labour fails to promote a settlement of the dispute.

As any award made by the Industrial Arbitration Tribunal will be final and conclusive both the Penang Port Commission and the Penang Port Commission Employees Union will be bound to comply with it.
Therefore the question of a further directive from me to the Penang Port Commission does not arise.