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Volume III NQ.

5 Monday 23rd October, 1961 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DEWAN NEGARA (SENATE) OFFICIAL REPORT CONTENTS MESSAGE FROM THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES [Col. 291] BUSINESS OF THE SENATE [Col. 294] ORAL ANSWER TO QUESTION [Col. 294] BILLS PRESENTED [Col. 295] EXEMPTED BUSINESS (Motion) [Col. 297) BILLS- The Geneva Convention Bill [Col. 295] The Prevention of Corruption Bill [Col. 197] The Life Assurance Bill [Col. 310] The Local Councils (Amendment) Bill [Col. 317] The Local .
Government Elections (Amendment) (No •.

2) Bill [Col. 318] The Education Bill [Col. 319] The University of Malaya Bill [Col. 338] The Consolidated Fund (Expenditure on Account) Bill [Col. 345] The Corporations Duty Ordinance (Repeal) Bill [Col. 347] The Rubber Export Duty (Penang) Bill [Col. 348] MOTION- Malaysia [Col. 351] ADJOURNMENT SINE DIE [Col. 372] DI·TERBITKAN OLEH THOR.

BENO CHONG PEMANOKU PENCHETAK KEUUAAN PERSEKUTUAN TANAH MELAYU 1962 FEDERATION OF MALAY A DEWAN NEGARA .
(SENATE) Official Report Vol.

III Third Session of the First Dewan Negara No.5 Monday, 23rd October, 1961 The Senate met at Ten o'clock a.m.

PRESENT: The Honourable Mr. President, DATO' HAn ABDUL RAHMAN BIN MoHAMED YASIN, S.P.M.J., P.I.S., J.P. (Johor).

the Minister of Justice, TuN LEONG YEW KoH, S.M.N.

(Appointed).

TuAN HAn ABBAS BIN HAn MoHAMED (Trengganu).

ENCHE' ABDUL HAMID BIN MAHMUD, J.M.N.

(Appointed).

ENcHE' AHMAD BIN SAID, A.M.N (Perak).

ENCHE' A. M. ABU BAKAR, J.M.N.

(Appointed).


ENCHE' ABDULLAH BIN ISHAK (Perlis).

ENCHE' ABDUL WAHAB BIN IDUS, P.J.K.

(Negri Sembilan).

ENCHE' AMALUDDIN BIN DARUS (Kelantan).

EHCHE' CHAN KWONG HON, A.M.N., J.P. (Selangor).

ENCHE' CHEAH SENG KHIM, J.P. (Penang).

DATO' DR. CHEAH TooN LoK, J.M.N., J.P., Dato' Maha Kurnia (Appointed).

ENCHE' CHoo KoK LEONG (Appointed).

ENCHE' DA ABDUL JALIL BIN HAJI AWANG (Trengganu).

ENCHE' HASHIM BIN AWANG, J.P. (Penang).

ENCHE' KoH KIM LENG (Melaka) .


DATO' LEE FooNG YEE, J.M.N., P.P.T., J.P. (Negri Sembilan).

ENCHE' LIM HEE HONG, A.M.N.

(Appointed) .

ENCHE' MoHD.

SALLER BIN MOHAMED ARIFF (Melaka) .

ENCHE' MOHD.

ZAHIR BIN HAn IsMAIL (Kedah).

ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ABDUL KADIR, J.M.N., P.J.K.

(Appointed).

ENCHE' S. P. S. NATHAN (Appointed) .

ENCHE' NIK HASSAN BIN HAn NIK Y AHYA, J.M.N .

(Appointed).

TuAN HAn NIK MoHD.

ADEEB BIN HAn NIK MoHAMED (Kelan'tan).

ToK PANGKu PANDAK HAMID BIN PuTEH JALI, P.J.K.


(Appointed).

RAJA RASTAM SHAHROME BIN RAJA SAID TAUPHY (Selangor). "

.. .. .. .. .. 291 23 OCTOBER 1961 292 The Honourable DATo' SHEIKH ABu BAKAR BIN YAHYA, D.P.M.J., P.I.s., J.P. (Johor).

.. TuAN SYED AHMAD BIN SYED MAHMUD SHAHABUDIN, J.M.N .

(Kedah).

ENCHE' T. H. TAN, J.M.N.

(Appointed).

DAm' E. E. C. THURAISINGHAM, D.P.M.J., J.P. (Appointed).

ENCHE' WAN AHMAD BIN WAN DAUD, J.M.N., P.J.K., J.P. (Pedis).
DATO' WAN IBRAHIM BIN WAN TANJONG, J.M.N., P.J.K., Orang Kaya Indera Maharaja Purba Jelai (Pahang).

ENCHE' YAP KHEN VAN, A.M.N., J.P. (Pahang).

ENCHE' YEOH KIAN TEIK (Perak).

ABSENT: The Honourable DAm' J. E. S. CRAWFORD, J.M.N., J.P., Dato' Kurnia Indera (Appointed).

ENCHE' ATHI NAHAPPAN (Appointed) DATO' G. SHELLEY, P.M.N., J.P. (Appointed).

ENCHE' S. 0.

K. UBAIDULLA (Appointed).

IN ATTENDANCE: The Honourable the Prime Minister and Minister of External Affairs, Y.T.M.
TuNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PuTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M.

the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence and Minister of Rural Development, TuN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DAm' HussAIN, s.M.N.

the Minister of Internal Security and Minister of the Interior, DATO' DR. ISMAIL BIN DATo' HAn ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N.

the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' TAN SIEW SIN, J.P. the Minister of Transport, DATO' SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N.

the Minister of Labour, ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN.
the Minister of Education, ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB.

.. the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry, ENCHE' CHEAH THEAM SWEE.

the Assistant Minister of the Interior, ENcHE' MoHAMED IsMAIL BIN MoHAMED YusoF.

PRAYERS (Mr. President in the Chair) MESSAGE FROM mE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Mr. President: Ahli2 Yang Ber hormat, saya suka mema'alumkan kapada Majlis ini bahawa saya telah terima satu perutusan daripada Dewan Ra'ayat.

Sekarang saya jemput Setia Usaha Majlis membachakan perutusan itu.
293 23 OCTOBER 1961 294 · (Whereupon, the Clerk reads the following message dated 21st October, 1961): "Mr. President, The House of Representatives has passed the following Bills- (1) to provide for the more effectual (2) prevention of corruption, to amend and consolidate the law relating to education, (3) to provide for the establishment and incorporation of the University of Malaya and for matters connected therewith, (4) to apply a sum out of the Con solidated Fund to the service of the year ending on the thirty-first day of December, 1962, (5) to repeal the Corporations Duty Ordinance of the Straits Settlements, (6) to amend the Local Councils Ordi nance, 1952, (7) The Corporations Duty Ordinance respect to policies of assurance upon human life and the carrying on the life assurance business, (8) to amend the Local Government Elections AcJ, 1960, (9) to provide for the payment of export duty on from Penang, and matters connected there with, exported rubber and transmit them to the Senate for its concurrence.
(Sgd.)

Speaker".

Mr. President: Ahli2 Yang Ber hormat, di-dalam perutusan dari Dewan Ra'ayat kapada Dewan Negara ini semua-nya ada 9 Rang Undang2.

Lima Rang Undang2 Kewangan dan empat Rang Undang2 yang tidak kena mengena dengan kewangan.

Peratoran Me.shua rat 66 (2) mensharatkan ia-itu Rang Undang2 yang tidak ada kena mengena dengan kewangan boleh-lah di-bacha kan kali yang kedua sa-telah 5 hari di atau daripada keluarkan pemberitahu akan tarikh bagi ~di-bachakan kali yang kedua.
Bagaimana pun sharat Peratoran itu menyatakan, Meshuarat 66 (2) "Yang di-Pertua, jika puas hati atas permohonan sa-saorang Menteri me nyatakan oleh sebab kepentingan awam berkehendakkan sa-suatu Rang ini di-bachakan kali yang Undang2 tarikh lebeh kedua dengan serta-merta, maka boleh juga Yang di-Pertua membenarkan sa-barang jenis Rang Undang2 di-bacha kali yang kedua dengan tidak ber kehendakkan tempoh lima hari saperti itu."
Yang Ber yang di-kehendaki telah hormat Menteri Keadilan meminta kebenaran saya, menurut sharat ini, membenarkan 4 Rang Undang2 ini yang tidak terkandong dalam perutusan ini, di-bachakan kali yang kedua dengan tidak di-kenakan tempoh telah membenarkan permintaan-nya itu.

lima hari itu.
Saya BUSINESS OF mE SENATE The Minister of Justice (Tun Leong Yew Koh): Mr. President, Sir, I beg to give notice that I will move the second and third readings of the following Bills today- (1) The Prevention of Corruption Bill (2) The Education Bill (3) The University of Malaya Bill (4) The Consolidated Fund (Expenditure on Account) Bill (5) The Local Councils (Amendment) Bill (6) The Life Assurance Bill (7) The Corporations Duty Ordinance (Repeal) Bill (8) The Local Government Elections (Amendment) (No.
2) Bill (9) The Rubber Export Duty (Penarig) Bill ORAL ANSWER TO QUESTION Pengaduan Terhadap Kerajaan Negeri Trengganu 1.

Enche' Da Abdul Jalil bin Haji Awang bertanya kapada Perdana Menteri ada-kah beliau telah mendapat surat2 terhadap Kerajaan Negeri Trengganu; sa-kira nya ada, nyatakan tarikh dan bilangan serta butir2 surat pengaduan aduan-nya.
pengaduan resmi itu The Prime Minister: Tuan Yang di satu Pertua, saya ada menerima pengaduan pada 6hb July, 1961, tetapi sa-bagaimana Ahli Yang Ber hormat sedia ma'alum bahawa surat pengaduan sa-chara itu bukan-lah rasmi.

Permintaan2 surat itu datang- 295 23 OCTOBER 1961 296 di-sini, nya daripada Kerajaan Trengganu yang di-perentah oleh PAS.
Akan tetapi dukachita berita2 pengaduan-nya di dalam surat itu dengan ringkas saya sebutkan ia-itu Kerajaan Trengganu tidak ada mengadakan meshuarat negeri sejak daripada bulan February hingga sekarang.

Dan chuma telah mengadakan meshuarat sa banyak 6 kali sahaja sa-lama ini.

Jadi tergendala pehak besar-lah Kerajaan untok menjalankan pentad biran negeri Trengganu itu.

bagi Enche' Da Abdul Jalil bin Haji Awang: Ada-kah surat Reference No.
The Prime Minister: Tuan Yang di Pertua, saya telah menyatakan bahawa surat itu tidak rasmi, dan tarikh-nya ia-lah pada 6hb July, 1961.

Jika Ahli itu suka hendak Yang Berhormat ambil tabu, saya sedia menunjokkan nya sa-kira-nya sudi datang ka-pejabat saya.

BILLS PRESENTED mE TRUSTEE INVESTMENTS BILL Bill to preserve certain investment powers of trustee; presented by the Minister of Justice; read the First time, to be read a Second time at a subsequent meeting.
mE VARIATION OF TRUST BILL Bill to extend the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court, to vary trusts in the interests of beneficiaries to sanction dealings with trust property; presented by the Minister of Justice; read the First time, to be read a Second time at a subsequent meeting.
and BILLS mE GENEVA CONVENTION BILL Second Reading The Minister of Justice (Tun Leong Yew Kob): Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move "an Act to enable effect to be given to certain international con ventions done at Geneva on the twelfth day of August, nineteen hundred and forty-nine, and for purposes connected therewith" to be read a second time.

Enche' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to second the motion.


Tun Leong Yew Kob: The above Bill is designed to adopt the four conventions signed at Geneva on 12th August, 1949, dealing respectively with wounded and sick members of the armed forces in the field, with wounded, shipwrecked members of the armed forces at sea, with treatment of prisoners of war, and with protection of civilian persons in time of war.

These conventions are set out in the four Schedules.
sick and Section 13 of the Act repeals the Geneva and Red Cross (Control of Use) Ordinance, 1959, the provisions of which are now contained in Part III of the Bill.

These provisions properly fall within the ambit of this measure, they be and incorporated therein.

is desirable that it Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved into a Committee on the Bill.

itself Bill considered in Committee.


(Mr. President in the Chair) Clauses I to 13 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

First Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Second Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Third Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Fourth Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.
Sitting suspended at 10.20 a.m. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 297 23 OCTOBER 1961 298 -Sitting resumed at 10.40 a.m. (Mr. President in the Chair) EXEMPTED BUSINESS (MOTION) Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move- - That notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 11 (2), the House shall not adjourn this day until after the completion of all Government business on the Order Paper.

Enche' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 11 (2), the House shall not adjourn this day until after the completion of all Government business on the Order Paper.

BILLS THE PREVENTION OF CORRUP TION BILL Second Reading Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to provide for the more effectual prevention of corruption" be read a second time.

Enche' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to second the motion.


The Minister of Internal Security and Minister of the Interior (Dato' Dr. Ismail): Mr. President, Sir, may I be permitted to explain very briefly the objects and purposes of this Bill?
As Honourable Members are aware, since the establishment of the Anti Corruption Agency and the Special Crime Branch of the Royal Federation of Malaya Police in November, 1959, it has been found that the existing Prevention of Corruption Ordinance, 1950, is inadequate to deal with the many aspects of corruption.
The presentation investigation of corruption present peculiar difficulties because corrupt transactions and cases it is rarely provlSlons the need of there arose the are almost invariably surrounded by close secrecy and that anyone but the corrupt participants themselves has any direct knowledge of precisely what has been done.

As to a result that re-enact Ordinance with substantial amend ments.
The Singapore Prevention of Corruption Ordinance, 1960 which in the Federation turn was based on Corruption Ordinance, the 1950, Ceylon Bribery Act, 1954, and the Hongkong Prevention of Corruption Ordinance were made use of as the basis for re-enacting the provisions of this Bill.

Mr. President, Sir, I do not propose to go into detailed account of each provision in the Bill as an Explanatory Statement is provided at the end of the Bill.
Briefly this consolidated new Bill is designed to cover difficulties experienced in the existing Ordinance.

Sir, I should to emphasise, like however, that this Bill which is now before the House is by no means the answer to corruption.

It is only designed to facilitate the investigation and prosecution of corruption cases, and I am sure that this Bill will have the unanimous support of this House.
Dato' Sheikh Abu Dakar bin Yahva: Honourable Dato' President, Sir: I would like to support the Bill before this Honourable House which is a good Act, and if properly managed by all concerned, especially with the co operation of the public, I am sure, Sir, the country, as stated by the Honour able Minister just now, will be rid of some of the alleged unfairness existing in certain departments in the country.
But, Sir, may I ask whether this Act will supersede similar offence in Chapter IX of the Penal Code, which is also on corruption.

In the Penal Code, the punishment is much less than what is stipulated in this Act there and I believe to prevent a smart lawyer from persuading the Court to punish the offender under the Penal Code instead of this Bill.

This, in my opinion, would defeat the spirit of this Bill.
is nothing 299 23 OCTOBER 1961 300 ini, tetapi Enche' Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: Dato' Yang di-Pertua dan AhJi2 Yang Berhormat, saya ba ngun menyokong Rang Undang2 ini kerana meminda undang2 menche gah berlaku-nya makan suap dalam · ini.
Sunggoh pun dalam negeri ini banyak daripada bab2 undang2 atau fasaF yang mengetatkan atau pun menambahkan hukoman2 bagi menchegah berlaku-nya perkara makan suap, tetapi satu perkara yang harus menjadi perhatian pehak Kerajaan bukan-nya perkara mengetatkan dan menchegah dengan chara mengadakan hukoman2 di-atas orang2 yang melaku ia-lah kan makan suap supaya di-adakan satu chara di-atas susunan kerja yang lebeh kemas, lebeh ketat dan lebeh baik.
Pada masa ini jabatan ini mempunya1 chawagan2-nya tetapi di-seluroh Tanah Melayu ini, walau pun demikian bagi menchari bukti2 dan kenyataan supaya di hapuskan pekerjaan makan suap ini bukan-lah dengan chara mengadakan tempat2 dalam satu2 pegawai2 bagi negeri itu, tetapi hendak-lah di-adakan satu susunan yang kemas pada pering kat Persekutuan yang mempunya'i tertentu khas bagi pegawai2 yang menyelideki dan menyiasat perkara2 yang hendak di-siasat itu sa-chara terus daripada pusat kapada tempat2 yang berlaku-nya kejadian2 itu.
Walau pun saya tabu pegawai2 di-tempat yang di-letakkan di-pejabat yang tidak jauh, bahkan sa-tengah di-Pejabat Polis di negeri2 yang ada dalam Tanah Melayu ini, tetapi satu usaha bagi mengasing kan pejabat ini dengan hubongan2 polis ada-lah sangat mustahak sa-kali supaya Pejabat Makan Suap ini akan menjadi satu pejabat yang bebas, satu jabatan yang bebas, dengan pegawai2 yang bebas yang tidak di-pengarohi oleh mana2 pehak, walau pun daripada pehak polis sendiri.
Saya tidak hendak mengeluarkan tudohan atau hendak mengeluarkan chaka pan yang boleh membangkitkan sa-suatu perkara yang merosakkan nama baik satu2 pehak dalam negeri ini, tetapi saya suka hendak menyokong Menteri yang berkenaan yang menyatakan undang2 ini tidak dapat menghapuskan per jalanan makan suap yang ada dalam rumit, negeri ini.
Menghapuskan perjalanan makan suap ada-lah satu perkara yang susah dan tetapi menchari ikhtiar bagi mempertahankan supaya kurang berlaku-nya makan suap ini ada-lah satu perkara yang boleh di-lakukan atau yang mustahak di lakukan dengan sa-berapa segera-nya di-mana banyak kita mendengar perkara makan suap ini berlaku dalam Tanah Melayu ini, tetapi sadikit benar yang kita dapat dengar kejadian2 itu di-bawa ka-mahkamah bagi mendapat kan sewajar-nya.
Dengan terang dan nyata-Iah bahawa perkara makan suap bukan lah satu perkara yang mudah di-chari dengan di-selideki, dan dengan yang demikian maka mustahak-lah di-susun supaya Jabatan Makan Suap ini di jadikan.

satu jabatan yang benar2 dapat menjalankan pekerjaan-nya dengan mempunya'i pegawai2 yang khas, yang di-lantek khas di-hantar ka-luar negeri untok mendapatkan pelajaran yang tertentu bagi menchegah hal ehwal makan suap dalam negeri ini.
hukoman ini yang Kita tidak mahu perkara makan suap ini berjadi2 dalam negeri ini di-mana kita tidak dapat menchegah sa-bagaimana pemah berlaku di beberapa buah negeri lain.
Kita mahu kemerdekaan kita di-jaga dengan berseh, di-kawal dengan baik dan segala pemuda di-negeri ini dapat sempuma dengan berjalan dengan tidak ada gangguan daripada penyakit makan suap dan dengan kerana demi kian itu-lah saya minta Menteri yang berkenaan melateh pegawai2 makan suap ini dengan sempurna, dengan baik supaya mempunyai: kechekapan dan tinggi sa-kaJi her kepandaian yang banding dengan jabatan2 yang lain.
Dan mereka ini hendak-lah di-asingkan daripada di-pengarohi oleh mana2 pehak walau pun daripada pehak yang berkenaan bagi menjaga keadaan negeri ini sendiri supaya pegawai2 ini bebas kalau pusat terus kapada daripada Kementerian perkara yang berlaku-tempat mana yang berlaku itu-supaya segala ikhtiar bagi menchegah perkara maka:n suap itu dapat-lah di-jalankan dengan sempuma dan baik.
boleh-nya daripada ----~-~----------------- 301 23 OCfOBER 1961 302 ~ ~ Enche' Amaluddin bin Dams: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun untok menyatakan sokongan yang cbukup yang kuat atas Rang Undang2 di-kemukakan di-badapan kita ini.
Jika tidak salab pada ingatan saya, dalam Dewan ini sudab sa-kali dua pernab saya bercbakap atas masa'alab saperti ini, ia-itu masa'alab mengatasi supaya mengketatkan atau mengbapus kan segala2-nya yang boleb menimbul suap, kan sa-kurang2-nya usaba2 ka-arab mencbe gab daripada berlaku atau timbul kemungkinan2 yang membawa kapada makan suap yang saya yakin dan percbaya bahawa kejadian makan suap jika berlaku di-dalam sa-sabuah negeri ito akbir-nya akan mengbilangkan kepercbayaan ra'ayat kapada Kerajaan yang memerentab dan akan menimbul kan berbagai2 kejadian yang akibab-nya akan merosakkan kebidupan ra'ayat di-negara kita sendiri.
atau makan rasbuab Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tertarek apa yang telab di-sebutkan oleb Abli Yang Berbormat yang bercbakap sa belum saya tadi, ia-itu ada-lab menjadi barapan beliau sa-kira-nya Jabatan Makan Suap ini merupakan satu atau jabatan yang asing yang sa-buab mempunyai kuat kuasa dengan sa bebas2-nya dan tidak mesti di-ganggu sa-kali pun oleb pebak2 yang berkenaan dalam menjaga keamanan.
Saya rasa dengan Bill atau Rang Undang2 ini sudab-lab sampai kapada maksud melaksanakan-nya saperti yang di maksudkan oleb Yang Berbotmat yang bercbakap yang di-bayangkan-nya itu pada pendapat saya memang-lab sangat baik.
Saya jalan untok fikir, banya ada satu mengatasi perkara ini guna untok berkbidmat kapada negara untok mencbegab kejadian2 yang tidak di ingini ia-itu dengan memberi kuasa kapada sa-buab Surobanjaya Mencbegab Makan Suap yang kbas sa-mata2 untok menjauhkan kekacbau an yang di-timbulkan oleb rasbuah dalam negeri ini.
Akan tetapi sa-buab Surobanjaya Bebas itu saperti juga Surohanjaya Pileban Raya, tentu-lab tidak dapat di-buat kerana keadaan itu berkait pula dengan Perlembagaan dan tadi apa ini di-mana wujud-nya Surobanjaya Bebas bagi Perkbidmatan Awam dan Pileban Raya itu di-tunjok dalam Perlembagaan dalam senarai yang tertentu di-mana itu ada-lab menjadi kuasa kapada Duli Yang Maba Mulia Yang di dan Pertuan Agong, menunjok melantek orang2 yang menjadi Pe ngerusi-nya.
Jadi patut-lab di-timbang kan bagi pindaan Perlembagaan membolebkan di-tubob Surobanjaya itu, ini dapat di-bentok sa-bagai satu badan yang bebas, saya fikir akan menguntongkan kapada kita semua dan kebebasan ini tidak boleb di-ganggui' oleb sa-siapa.
Tidak ada yang lebeb baik untok perubaban banya dengan menubobkan sa-buab Surobanjaya kbas yang mana saperti Surobanjaya yang lain di-tunjok oleb Duli Yang Maba Mulia Yang di Pertuan Agong dan sbarat2 member bentikan pun sama juga kaedab-nya saperti Surobanjaya Perkbidmatan Awam dan Pileban Raya.

keadaan-nya Itu ada-lab fikiran saya, yang saya fikir jika bermaksud untok mendapat basil yang cbemerlang untok kepen tingan negara dan ra'ayat negeri ini.
Cbara yang saperti ini akan lebeb mendekatkan dengan tujuan menyam paikan maksud2 kita semua ingin kapada berjalan-nya pentadbiran negeri ini dengan baik dan tidak ada sa suatu boleb menimbulkan rasbuab.

yang Pada am-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apa yang saya nyatakan ini akan menjadi benda yang baik dan lebeb baik untok kebaikan kita bersama dan saya berdiri di-sini ada-lab menyokong Rang Undang2 ini dengan sa-kuat2-nya, sa-bagaimana kata perpatab: "Kalau tidak ada rotan, akar pun berguna".
Enche' Da Abdul Jalil bin Haji Awang: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya juga bangun untok menyokong Bill ini dan saya berpendapat babawa sebab2 ia-lab timbul-nya makan suap kerana pegawai2 dalam satu2 jabatan itu tidak menunaikan tugas dengan betul, ini bukan-lab saya bendak menudobkan jabatan2 yang berkenaan itu menjalankan kerja-nya tidak terator.

ini 303 23 OCTOBER 1961 304 itu terator maka Akan tetapi, kalau-lah kerja2 di-dalam tentu-lah jabatan tidak timbul masa'alah makan suap ini.
Oleh kerana orang2 ramai memberi makan suap itu ada-lah di-sebabkan satu2 permohonan atau kehendak2-nya tidak dapat di-luluskan atau lambat di-luluskan.

Maka bagi mendapatkan kelulusan itu-lah yang mereka sanggup memberi makan suap dengan pegawai2 itu.

Kalau-lah satu peratoran dapat di-buat bahawa segala permohonan2 itu mesti-lah di-utamakan kapada yang dahulu meminta-nya dan yang kemudian, di-kemudiankan, saya rasa.
kalau di-buat peratoran yang demikian, tentu-lah maka makan suap ini akan dapat di-kurangkan.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mengata kan ini ia-lah daripada pengalaman2 yang telah kita dapati bahawa satu2 itu kadang2 menunggu permohonan sampai bertahun2 lama-nya maseh belum dapat di-luluskan atau dapat di-layan dengan sempurna.

Kadang2 permohonan baharu itu di-beri per timbangan sedang permohonan2 yang terdahulu daripada itu tidak.
Pada pendapat saya kalau Kerajaan hendak mengatasi perkara makan suap ini hendak-lah di-adakan pegawai2 yang bertanggong-jawab dalam hal makan suap ini dalam tiap2 jabatan untok menerima pengaduan2 daripada orang ramai.

Dato' Dr. Cheah Toon Lok: Mr. President, Sir, all of us realise that no efficient government can exist where there is corruption.

I find that most of our laws are rather medieval because they do not progress with scientific knowledge.
As far as I am aware, in certain sections of this enactment-especially in Section 15 about the admissibility of evidence it is not stated that medical evidence should be taken into consideration.

We know to-day-I think the Minister, who is also a medical man, will agree with me-that the human mind operates on three planes of consciousness: the conscious mind, sub-conscious mind and the unconscious mind, and every act of ours registered in the sub-conscious mind the is automatically .
and, therefore, scientists have come forward with apparatus, with drugs, with psychiatric methods to probe this sub-conscious mind and to find the truth of the evidence of an individual.

Now, we have scientific machines or the truth machines.

We have drugs which are known as truth drugs, and we can use hypnosis to probe into the sub-conscious mind to get the truth.
I wonder whether in Malaya, with the formation of a new nation, we will adopt the new methods to probe the truth of evidence given by an accused person.

I think it is high time that scientific methods be adopted and may I suggest, if the Minister agrees with me, that medical evidence could be also admitted as evidence in a court of law.

Thank you, Sir.
Thank you, Sir.

Enche' Yeoh Kian Teik: Mr. President, Sir, with reference to the speech made by the Honourable the last speaker, I, as a member of the legal profession, would say that there is sufficient interference with the law by laymen, not to say doctors (Laughter) and I hope that the medical profession will keep out of the legal profession.
In regard to the proposed Section 15 of the Bill, under the heading of "Admissibility of statements to police officers", I would like to say that there is a section of the Criminal Procedure Code (Section 113) which protects such statements in respect of offences under the Penal Code, and I feel strongly should not be that this interfered with; the should provision be whittled away by new Acts of Parliament.
section nor Further, Sir, the proposed Section 14, which throws the burden of proof on the accused person, is trying to change the accepted principle of the Penal Code in this country where an accused person is presumed to be innocent this section throws the proof on him once gratification has been proved.

Mr. President, Sir, I feel that we should not try to take away the provisions of the Penal Code or the Criminal Procedure, as they seek to protect the citizens.
305 23 OCfOBER 1961 306 Now, in respect ·of investigations of offences of this nature, again, it is left to the Police, which body I might say is doing a wonderful job of work in this country, but I feel, since there have been allegations the past against Police officers, that investiga tions of this sort should be handled by the office of the Public Prosecutor rather than by the Police.
in ltaja ltastamm Sltahromme bin ltaja Said Tauphy: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun menyokong dengan sa penoh-nya di-atas Rang Undang2 Menchegah Makan Suap ini.

Pada jika tidak mendapat pendapat saya sambutan dan kerjasama daripada orang2 ramai Rang Undang2 Menche gah Makan Suap ini akan tinggal undang2 sahaja, ia tidak akan memberi satu fa'edah pun kapada pehak yang berkuasa.

Saya berseru kapada orang ramai, "Mari-lah kita bersama2 dengan pegawai yang menjalankan Undang2 Menchegah Makan Suap ini."
Enche' Wan Ahmad bin Wan Daud: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada pendapat saya Rang Undang2 Menchegah Rashuah ini sangat-lah elok.

Dalam perhatian saya makan suap ini ada dua gulongan manusia.

Yang pertama, tidak tabu undang2, gulongan yang hila ia makan suap mudah sangat dapat keterangan dan di-bawa ka-hadapan Pengadil dan ia di-hukum.

Yang kedua, gulongan yang tabu undang2 saperti Tuan2 Hakim.
Saya fikir dalam 100 ia melakukan makan suap payah sangat hendak tangkap walau pun satu, sebab ia tabu melarikan diri daripada undang2.
Saya harap daripada hari ini Dewan kita akan meluluskan undang2 ini bagi masa hadapan dengan niat kita sakalian dan pegawai2 pentadbir yang tinggi sa-bagaimana pendapat Yang Ber hormat Raja Rastam Shahrome yang mana saya menyokong ia-itu jangan-lah lagi membuat pekerjaan makan suap supaya negeri kita dan pendudok-nya men.dapat nama yang tinggi dan berseh, mulia dan di-hormati oleh negeri2 lain.
Bagi orang2 yang beriman kapada Allah dan kapada hari kemudian walau berapa juta di-beri kapada mereka, mereka tidak mahu terima, sebab mereka telah yakin ia-itu kita hidup dalam dunia tiap2 sa-orang yang akal-nya siuman mahukan nama yang berseh dan terpuji, yang dalam bahasa Inggeris-nya di-katakan "real gentlemen" mereka tidak mahu kapada jalan yang kotor.
Oleh sebab hendak menjaga kehormatan dan maruah banyak di-antara kita yang berlumba2 membeli motokar yang besar2, pakaian yang chantek2, menghiaskan rumah nya dengan elok.

Orang2 yang beriman itu yakin walau pun banyak mendapat wang dengan jalan serong, sa-habis lama mereka boleh hidup dengan baik ia-lah 100 tahun dalam dunia ini, dan di-akhirat kelak kekal di-dalam azab, mereka ini tidak mahu makan suap walau berapa banyak sekalipun.
Orang yang pandai undang2 jika ada yang telah biasa makan suap walau pun orang tidak boleh tangkap dan di-hukum, saya perchaya daripada tarikh ini pergi ka-hadapan mereka tidak makan suap lagi, kerana macham mana baik orang yang memberi suap itu ia sa-'orang tabu juga perkara keji ia pandang kotor ini, dan saperti binatang dengan sebab mereka kotor.
tergamak memakan Kemudian mana2 mereka pergi, pada perasaan hati dan pandangan orang yang memberi suap itu walau pun ia tabek kapada mereka, ia bukan tabek kapada jasad dan roh-nya tetapi ia tabek kapada jawatan mereka.

yang Oleh itu, saya harap sakalian orang dalam Tanah Melayu, baik yang pandai, mahu pun yang bodoh jauhi lah daripada rashuah.

Tiap2 sa-orang hendak-lah menjaga maruah dan kehormatan diri dengan suchi dan elok, yang mana nama negeri kita akan baik.
Dato' Dr. Ismail bin Dato' Haji Abdul ltahman: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang pertama saya suka hendak menjawab tegoran yang di-datangkan oleh Yang Berhormat Enche' Amaluddin Darus yang berkehendakkan supaya Pejabat Penchegah bebas Rashuah atau menjadi "free body" yang tidak di-bawah perentah sa-siapa.
Perkara ini 307 23 OCTOBER 1961 308 yang di-bawa-nya· itu · sudah di-kaji oleh satu jawatan-kuasa a:pabila kita hendak menubohkan Pejabat Menche gah Rashuah ini, dan telah di-fikirkan ia-itu dengan keadaan yang ada dalam negeri ini tidak-lah mustahak di-adakan satu Pejabat Menchegah Rashuah yang bebas.

Kerana yang pertama kita.


dapati-dan di-sini saya juga menJawab tegoran Yang Berhormat ~t;tche' Nik Hassan-dalam negeri kita tru sangat bertuah yang mana public service kita tegap dan tabu menjalankan kerja-nya dengan tidak di-pengarohi baik dengan chara rashuah mahu pun kuasa politik.
Dalam negeri ini ada bebas service satu public (independent) saperti yang kita tabu maruah-nya Itu-lah sebab-nya negeri ini berlainan dengan negeri2 lain yang baharu merdeka tidak ada public service sa-bagaimana yang ada di-hadapan Majlis ini.

sangat tinggi.

yang Yang kedua, Pejabat Menchegah Rashwah ini telah berjalan semenjak lepas merdeka, dan berkenaan dengan chara pegawai itu menjalankan kerja nya sangat-lah memuaskan hati.

Kita chuma berkehendakkan supaya di .

adakan satu .
adakan satu .

undang2 yang boleh lagi kapada memberi pegawai itu supaya boleh menjalankan kerja-nya.

Itu-lah tujuan Rang Undang2 yang ada di-hadapan Majlis ini.

lebeh tegas Now I come prescnbed offence' means the observation to made by the Honourable Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar and also mentioned by the Honourable Enche' Y eoh Kian Teik.

There is, as is described in this Bill ~ , defini~ion on page 2 which says: any offence under section so and so of the Penal Code."
Now, the main reason for presenting this Bill in this House is that this Bill tries to enact a new.law in rega;d to the admissibility of evtden~.

Evidently corruption is such a cnme that we need a special legislation if we were to meet this sweeping menace and, as I said in my opemng speech, the idea behind this Bill is to facilitate the investigation ~nd the prosecution of crimes.
Now, 1t naturally follows that if we can the same object under the achieve Penal Code; -then· there is no necessity ?f bringing that into this House.

So, m regard to the observation of the Honourable Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar, if a crime this Ordinance, naturally the punishment this will come as Ordinance.
is charged under is provided in Sir, I will not try to enter into the controversy between the lawyers and doctors in regard to this Bill, because at the moment I am purely neutral having abandoned medicine for politics for the time being.

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

But we do feel that in this country we must strike a balance whereby we try to do away with corruption in this country while at the same time not adopting a method that may be repugnant to democracy, and we feel that with the co-operation of the public and with the · passage of this Bill through this House, we are confident that, although we may not totally be able to suppress this corruption-and here I may add country.
in that although there is, it is not to such a large extent as has corrupted the society in other countries-we feel that we must try as far as possible to eliminate the little corruption that exists in this country and we feel that the method we have adopted-if armed with the legislation that we ask this House to pass-will, at least for the moment, be an adequate step towards achieving our objective.

Thank you.

(Applause).

corruption this Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved into a Committee on the Bill.

itself Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr. President in the Chair) Clauses I and 2- Dato' Dr. Cheab Toon Lok: Mr. President.

Sir, I would like to know under what category the "share" comes.
When we transfer a share from one person to another, what type of - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 309' 23 OCI'OBER 1961 310 gift is it?

Is it money by way of gift.

loan, fee, reward, valuable security or other property or interest in property is of any description, whether movable or immovable?

I ask this because "shares" are not defined under ''gratification".

I would like to know under what type the "share" comes.
it Dato' Dr. Ismail: Sir, I would imagine that it would come under (a) where it is stated that " 'gratification' includes money or any gift, loan, fee, reward, valuable security or other property or interest in property of any description, whether movable or im- movable ......... " that Dato' Dr. Cheah Toon Lok: With your permission, Sir, I think that is not enough.

Anything that is transfer able, we define "money", according to political economy, as, first, some is valuable as utility.
thing Secondly it must be limited in supply.

Thirdly it is transferable.

Fourthly it is is transferable.

But the other three do not suit this category.

It is not limited in supply.

So it does not come under definition of money.

the material thing.

Now it in to intervene The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan Siew Sin): Mr. President, Sir, I hate this debate (Laughter), but I think my Honourable friend Dato' Dr. Cheah Toon Lok is probably allowing his imagination to run rife a little.
If we look at the definition, we find the following words: "'gratification' incJudes-(a) money or any gift.. ....... " As far as my understanding of the word "incJudes" goes, it is not exhaustive; and I think the idea of this definition is that it include the following things.

should Even if you go on with this very limited definition, I think it is quite appropriate to consider a share as a movable property.

Dato' Dr. Cheah Toon Lok: Mr. President.


Sir, on a point of clari fication, I am not satisfied, because there is a method by which lawyers make their living-on misinterpretation.

(Laughter).

- Enche' Yeoh Kian Teik: Sir, since lawyers have been mentioned, I would like to say something in regard to this.

First of all, to my mind, the "share" is a valuable security on which you can raise money.
Secondly, if my Honourable friend Dato' Cheah will look at (d) of this Clause, it says "any valuable consideration of any type".

I think that will be wide enough to cover this "share", if it has any value at al1.

(Laughter).

Clauses I and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clauses 3 to 31 inclusiye ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.
THE LIFE ASSURANCE BILL Second Reading Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to make further provision with respect to policies of assurance upon human life and the carrying on of life assurance business" be read a second time.

Enche' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to second the motion.


intended the Government The Minister of Fmance (Enche' Tan Siew Sin): Mr. President, Sir, Honourable Members will recall that in April this year, when introducing the Life Assurance Amendment Act, No.

20 of 1961, I informed the House that to introduce comprehensive legislation to ensure the growth of a sound assurance business in the country, and also to provide the maximum of protection to policy holders.
The introduction of this legislation had, however, to be deferred as we had not then been successful in recruiting an Insurance Commissioner.
I am glad to say that with the co operation of the Australian Govern ment, the Government has now succeeded in securing the services of an Insurance Commissioner who has already arrived in the country, and is now working on our new insurance 311 23 OCfOBER 1961 312' legislation, and I would like to take this opportunity to express our grateful appreciation of the invaluable assistance rendered to us in this respect by that Government.

That assistance has is, certainly been most timely.
therefore, hoped that this legislation will be enacted in the not too distant future.

It I also informed the House then the Amendment Act of 1961 that introduced earlier in the year was an interim measure.

Its purpose was to ensure that assurance companies had a capital of $1 million before starting business and, therefore, had a sound financial foundation.

In this respect the amendment was successful, but it was not directed at ensuring the companies' business methods were sound.
Further legislation, again of an interim character, is now necessary to ensure that sound methods are adopted.

that During recent months great concern has been expressed about the activities of some so-called "assurance com panies".

These companies through advertising in the vernacular press and intensive canvassing have persuaded tens of thousands of uninformed people to take out policies with them.
On present these indications, many of people can expect to find ultimately that their policies are valueless.

Hence it is urgent and imperative that the public be protected the nefarious practices of these companies.

against These mushroom companies have issued policies at rates of premia that are ~rossly .

inadequate.

It is fairly certam that m the future they will be unable to meet claims under these policies unless appropriate action is taken, and probably even if it is taken.
The Bill, therefore., provides that no company can issue policies or continue to carry on a life assurance business unless its rates of premia have been approved by an actuary.

The life assurance business is a technical one.

The formulation of rates of premia is a highly specialised branch of mathematics.

The qualified people who make the necessary calculations, as Honourable Members know, are called actuaries and they receive years of professional training.
We can only be sure that premia are adequate if they are certified as such by an actuary.

If the premia are the ultimate failure of the life assurance company by defaults on claims and hence losses to is almost a its policyholders mathematical certainty.

inadequate, concerned, followed The Bill also gives relief to the owners of existing policies.

If, and only if.
If, and only if.

the rates of premia can be proved by an actuary to be inadequate, any waiting period provided by the policy will be void and a return of premia can be obtained if it is applied for within six months of the date of commencement of the legislation.

in future Apart from the fact that existing companies cannot issue policies with inadequate premia, a new company will be similarly bound.
Further, a new company will not be able to commence business unless the Minister of Finance is satisfied that it will conduct its business in accordance with sound insurance principles.

that It is appropriate I should inform Honourable Members of some of the unsound practices of these mushroom companies.

They ask no questions whatsoever about the state of health of the person whose life is to be assured.

They charge the same rates of premia irrespective of age.
They impose no maximum age limit, and most of the lives assured are old-60 years or more.

The premia would be most inadequate even if they were assuring younger and healthy lives.

The position is that people are being encouraged at a comparatively small outlay to assure people in the sole expectation of their early death.

The policies being issued by these companies are frequently, or perhaps even generally, not for the laudable purpose of family protection.
Many people are being encouraged to assure other people.

including beggars, without their knowledge and consent, if the person effecting the policy thinks that the life assured will survive the waiting 313 23 OCTOBER 1961 314 period, usually nine months, and not much longer.

to This is nothing more than gambling, and gambling with the most serious and dangerous implications.
It is the kind of gambling which could possibly lead the murder of completely innocent people in order that profits might be made by one party or the other.

Insurance plays a vital and essential role in modem society and is' based on the principle that when many people pay a small sum into a common pool, it will be fairly cheap and simple to insure themselves against disaster or loss occurring to a few.

As such, it is a social boon of immeasurable value.
On the other hand, life assurance as practised by the people against whom this Bill is aimed, is a grave social menace because the object of both the company and the policyholder could be to hasten the deaths of those who are assured-in the one case the death should take place within 9 months of a policy being taken out, and in the other, shortly after.
I think, therefore, that every Honourable Member in this House will agree with me that the sooner this evil is wiped out from our midst, the better it will be for all concerned.

The policies being issued by these companies do not contain reasonable typical non-forfeiture provisions.

A policy condition is that, however long a policy may have been in force, it shall be void if a premium is out standing for two months.
Further, there for is no arrangement whatsoever paid-up policies and surrender values, both of which are standard features of life assurance policies the world over.

The facts I have put before Honour able Members call for this urgent legislation.

I should say, however, that life assurance business in the Federation is generally conducted along sound lines and renders an invaluable service to community.
Well-managed companies will not be affected adversely by this legislation, and the institution itself should be of strengthened.

life assurance the listening to Enche' T. H. Tan: Mr. President, the excellent Sir, after explanation by the Honourable ~he Minister of Finance, there remams little for me to add to emphasise the desirability of the Bill.
It is sufficient only for me to say that this is a very desirable piece of legislation because it contains provisions which are sufficient, at least for the time being, to curb the scandalous conduct of mushroom insurance companies exist ing in our country.

For this particular reason, I support the Bill and in doing so I would the Government for having taken action so expeditiously.
to commend like saya Engku Muhsein bin Abdul Kadir: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam perk~ra ini ingin menarek perhatian kapada Yang Berhormat ia-itu chara mendapatkan orang2 memasoki Insu rance yang di-jalankan oleh sa-sabuah Kompeni.

Daripada apa yang di perhatikan terjadi di-tempat saya, ia-itu negeri Trengganu ada bebera~a kejadian berlaku yang sangat merug• kan orang kampong.

Semangat masok Insurance sekarang ini, saya nampak, memang sangat di-sukai' oleh banyak orang2 kampong dan orang nelayan2.
Tetapi apa yang mendukachitakan ia-lah berkenaan dengan masa'alah Insurance itu orang2 yang menjalankan kerja2 mendapat Insurance itu-ia-itu Agent2-nya terkadang2 berlaku kejadian yang mendukachitakan ia-itu Agent2 yang datang bukan-nya daripada kompeni2 yang kechil bahkan kompeni2 yang besar2.

Mereka pernah pergi ka-kampong2, kampong2 nelayan, kam pong2 menanam padi, yang mendapat bayaran premium untok 3 bulan atau 6 bulan, dengan hanya meninggalkan sa-keping kertas, kadang2 bukan recip yang sa-benar-nya.
Ada satu Agent pergi ka-kampong itu dapat-lah 10 atau 12 orang yang memasoki Insu rance itu kalau 3 bulan dapat-lah dia semua-nya akan tetapi lepas sa-bulan, dua bulan tidak di-terima apa2 recip atau recip yang sa-benar-nya.

Lepas 3 bulan hilang bagitu sahaja.


Orang2 kampong ini pula memang tabi'at-nya tidak suka hendak bising atau report kapada sa-banyak $500, 315 23 OCTOBER 1961 316" polis, dan pada sangkaan mereka kalau report ka-Polis tentu-lah akan di-bawa dan menyebabkan ka-Mahkamah kerja2-nya Jadi, nanti.

banyak-lah perkara penipuan yang telah di-lakukan oleh Agent2 itu.
terganggu Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya minta-lah kalau ada jalan, mesti-lah sa sabuah kompeni itu tidak mempunya1 Agent sa-barang sahaja, akan tetapi hendak-lah Agent2 itu beramanah dan orang2 yang boleh di-perchaya1 dan tidak-lah mereka melakukan penipuan saperti itu kapada orang2 kampong.

I fully support Enche' Yeoh Kian Teik: Mr. President, Sir, the measures taken by the Government in respect of this matter.
However, I would like to refer to Section 6, sub section 3, where a policyholder is entitled, or in the words of that section "he may elect the policy cancelled and ask for refund of the premiums paid".

to have Mr. President, Sir, I am always concerned with legislation which has a retrospective effect.
Now, before this Bill came to this House, it was not unlawful for insurance companies and for people to take out policies on terms mutually agreed upon, and as far as the companies are concerned, they have, in fact, insured those people who come under Section 6.
Therefore, if you have a law now which has this retrospective effect, it is quite possible for future legislation to make similar provisions and where parties come to an agreement at arm's length, there should, I feel, be no interference with such agreements.

I fully agree with the Honourable Minister of Finance that the qualification period should be banned, but I think it is a bit too drastic to have this provision applied to previous agreements.
Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr. President, Sir, I would like to assure my Honour able friend Engku Muhsein that the Government is happening in the kampongs and in the the ·people are rural areas where the perhaps more blandishments of these insurance com- is aware of what susceptible to their agents-hence the panies and reason for this Bill and its rather wide provisions.
I think the solution there is really to educate those people not to be taken in so easily and, in fact, I intend in the course of the next few days to ask the Government Informa tion Services to try to do a little of this education ot re-education.

That I think might probably serve Engku Muhsein's purpose better.
I appreciate the point raised by my Honourable friend Enche' Yeoh Kian Teik that legislation with retrospective provisions can be rather dangerous, and normally I myself would not favour such legislation.

I think he will probably agree with me the position here is rather serious and exceptional and I therefore submit that circumstances of the nature we have to encounter do justify this sort of legislation and in particular sub-clause (3) of Clause 6 of the Bill.

that Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved into a Committee on the Bill.

itself Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr. President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 3 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clauses 4 to 6- Enche' Yeoh Kian Teik: Mr. President, Sir, on a point of clarifica tion.

There is no definition of the word "premium" here.


If I am not mistaken, most of these insurance companies impose an annual charge and then during the period of qualification impose a monthly toll.

I do not know whether it is classified as a premium or whether it is classified as a charge; and under this clause whether this payment made during the qualification period is or is not premium.
There is one more point, the insurance companies will be entitled to a proportionate charge for the period i.e., whether 317 23 OCTOBER 1961 318 they hold the policyholders under cover, although the premium may not be sufficient?

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr. President, Sir, my preliminary reaction is that the annual charge would be regarded as a premium; I think the liability of the company would remain with regard to the second point raised by the Honourable Member.
Clauses 4 to 6 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.

THE LOCAL COUNCILS (AMEND- MENT) BILL Second Reading Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Local Councils Ordinance, 1952" be read a second time.

Enche' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to second the motion.


The Assistant Minister of the Interior (Enche' Mohamed Ismail bin Mohamed Yusof): Mr. President, Sir, the object of this measure is clearly stated in the Explanatory Statement at the end of the Bill before the House.
Honourable Members will recall that at the May sitting of this House, it passed the Local Government Elections (Amendment) Act, 1961 which enables the Election Commission to assume responsibility for the supervision and conduct of elections to Local Councils.
The Election Commission has been making all the necessary arrangements for the conduct of elections to Local Councils, and has notified me that it will be in a position to hold such elections in a few months' time-at the is, most nine months therefore, no point in holding further Local Council elections until-then.

time.
time.

There The object of this measure is to suspend the holding of any further elections under the Local Councils Ordinance, 1952 and to extend the term of office of existing members until such date as elections are held under the Local Government Elections Act, 1960.

I would like to inform the House that the terms of this Bill have been discussed in the National Council for Local Government and have been agreed to by that Council.

Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr. President in the Chair) Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.

THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ELECTIONS (AMENDMENT) (No.


2) BILL Second Reading Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Local Govern ment Elections Act, 1960" be read a second time.

Enche' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to second the motion.


The Assistant Minister of the Interior (Enche' Mohamed Ismail bin Mohamed Yusof): Mr. President, Sir, this Bill is very short and straight forward and the objects are clearly stated in the Explanatory Statement at the end of the Bill before the House.
The Election Commission recently drew attention to· a certain weakness in the Local Government Elections Act, 1960, which, I regret to say, was not noticed when the opportunity ~as taken to move certain amendments to this same Act in this House in May.
319 23 OCTOBER 1961 320 Sir, the Act provides that whenever there is a casual vacancy among the elected Councillors of a local authority it shall, subject to the provisions of this section, be filled within sixty days from the date on which it occurs and an election shall be held or an appointment made accordingly.
It was pointed out that as the law stands, the possibility exists that the Com mission may not be informed by the Council in time to arrange for the holdings of an election within sixty days of the occurrence of the vacancy, in which event the vacancy could not be filled.

It is considered that this weakness in the law must be corrected at once; hence the Bill before the House.
I wish to point out to this House that the terms of this Bill have been discussed in the National Council for Local Governments and have been agreed to by that Council.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved into a Committee on the Bill.

itself Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr. President in the Chair) Clauses I to 3 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.

THE EDUCATION BILL Second Reading Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend and consolidate the law relating to education" be read a second time.

Enche' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to second the motion.


1be Minister of Education (Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Ta6b): Mr. President, Sir, as the House is aware, this Bill intituled "an Act to amend and consolidate the law relating to education" has been agreed to by the Dewan Ra'ayat.

With your permission, Sir, I will now give a short explanation of the main principles of the Bill.

The object of this Bill is to give statutory effect to the report of the Education Review Committee, 1960.
That report was approved in principle by resolution of the Dewan Ra'ayat on the 12th of August, 1960. the law relating in 1960 This Bill, Sir, brings up-to-date and consolidates to education.

The Education Review Committee recommended various developments in the education policy which was approved by the Federal Legislative Council in 1956 on the basis of the Razak Report of that year and embodied the Education Ordinance, 1957. in There are no fundamental changes in education policy.
It is, however, desirable to have a new Act as it was found that the developments recom mended in 1960, though firmly based on the 1956 Razak policy, would have necessitated amendments to the 1957 Ordinance, which would have been so extensive as to make more -amendment of that Ordinance a very untidy business.
At the same time, I have taken the opportunity of inciuding in this Bill the law at present contained in the Registration of Teachers Ordinance, 1957-this is in order to have one comprehensive measure con taining all the basic law for education.
The new developments, which I have referred to, include the raising of the school leaving age, the suspen sion of local education authorities, the establishment of post-primary or continuation schools, the discontinuance of partial assistance to non-conforming secondary schools, the reconstitution of the National Joint Council for Teachers ·as a negotiating body, the establishment of National, State and Local Advisory Boards, the establish ment of firmer arrangements for giving instruction in the Islamic religion in assisted ·sChools, the introduction of a • 321 23 OCTOBER 1961 322 local inspectorate and the consolidation of the place of the national language in our education system.
It was claimed in the other House that this Bill and the policy embodied in it differs in certain respects from the 1956 policy and the 1957 Ordi nance.

it is Sir, the contention of the Government that this is not so.

My Honourable friend, the Deputy Prime Minister, declared in the other House in fact, last week that there were, no fundamental differences.
I have myself stated this on many occasions, and I will not weary the House by substantiating this fact in detail and I can only ask the House to accept my sincere and firm assurance that no fundamental differences are introduced by this Bill into the education policy which the Alliance Government has consistently pursued for the last six years.
The main new development reflected in this Bill are the establishment by Oause 23 of Sekolah2 Pelajaran lAnjutan or Continuation Schools as part of the secondary system and the suspension of Local Education Authorities, under Clause 132 and the establishment of new arrangements for raising for education under Clause 105. contribution local a The establishment is of Sekolt:Jh2 in fulfilment Pelajaran Lanjutan of the Alliance Government's promise, made in the 1959 Election Manifesto to raise the school leaving age.
These schools will, instance, provide a two-year course of secondary education with a vocational bias.

The Government hopes at a later date to extend this course to three years.

the first in present Local .

The Education Authorities are dissolved under Clause 132. but provision is made in Part X which will enable such authorities to be re-established when the time is ripe.

In the meantime, local contributions for· education by way of education rates or otherwise will be raised under Clause 105.
The way this arrangement will work is ·that the Federal Govern- ask State or Rating ment will authorities or both to raise a specific annual sum for education.

They may raise this contribution in any way they think best.
Sir, the basic intention of this Bill, which is stat~ in the preamble, is to establish an education system which is national in its scope and purpose and based mainly on the national language and which at the same time preserves and sustains the various languages and cultures of our country.

Primary education will be provided free for all in each of our four main languages.

This means that nearly all children will get their basic education in the language of a family.
They will get this education free so that the children of our main communities will in future all be treated alike.

through one of the official · After the primary stage, education financed from public funds will be mainly languages in the schools referred to in Oause 23 of the Bill.

This is not new.

It has been the Government's policy for the last five years.
Sir, this policy ensures the preserva tion and use of each of our four main languages in our national education system at the primary stage and then.

in the interests of national unity, brings together all children at the secondary level into schools using mainly one of the official languages and all working towards the public examinations held in these languages.
Other languages and cultures can, however, be studied at secondary level in the medium of the language con cerned and examinations these subjects will also be conducted in the language concerned .

in This is how the Government re conciles the aspirations of our main cultural groups with the needs of a national policy serving a united nation.

Clause 136 provides that partial assistance to secondary schools shall cease as from the beginning of next year.
323 23 OCTOBER 1961 • 324 The Razak Report did not provide for partial assistance at all but the Education Ordinance, 1957 provided for this as a transitional arrangement during a period when schools could arrange into national-type secondary schools eligible for full assistance.

to convert themselves From January next year, however, all secondary schools will either be fully assisted or private schools.
in to smooth I have arranged the transition to full assistance for partially assisted schools by establishing a special salary scheme for established teachers in these schools.

Furthermore, as I announced the other House last week, I am prepared to make special arrangements to deal with under qualified or overage pupils who may be at present in these partially assisted schools.
This will be by allowing a system of private classes on the school premises outside normal school hours so that no present pupil will find himself thrown out of school.

Sir, as indicated in the preamble to this Bill, it is the Government's particular objective to secure the pro gressive development of an educational system in which the national language is the main medium of instruction.

This ultimate objective was declared in the Razak Report in 1956 and included in the Education Ordinance, 1957.
Progress in this direction has already been made.

Nearly half of all primary pupils are in fully assisted Malay medium national primary schools, and one of my top priorities is to improve the standards of teaching and accom modation in these schools.

Secondary education in the Malay medium is being expanded as rapidly as possible.

National Secondary Schools will be established in areas where the output of primary school pupils justifies it.
A programme of training teachers for such schools has already been drawn up and is being implemented vigor ously.

The Lower Certificate of Education is being set in Malay as from last year and as from next year the Federation of Malaya Certificate of Education will also be set in the national language.

The teaching of the national language is compulsory in all schools whether assisted or not through out the entire school course.
The University of Malaya has agreed in principle gradually to introduce Malay as a medium into certain University the ultimate aim of courses, with evolving a bilingual University in Kuala Lumpur.
I intend to introduce national language streams into former Government primary schools-I repeat former Government national-type primary schools-and under Clause 21 (2) of this Bill I have powers to direct the conversion of national-type primary into national primary schools when I am satisfied that this can suitably be done.
national-type schools Also, as a direct and potent encouragement to the use and study of the national language, all education in Malay will be free, not only in primary schools, but at all levels of our schools system.

Sir, our national education policy is thus firmly based on the national language.

We have now established a system of common syllabuses which have to be followed by all schools and which promote a Malayan outlook and inspire a Malayan loyalty.
At the same time, the other main languages and cultures of Malaya are also preserved.

The Government claims, Sir, that this is an education policy necessary for our new nation, a policy that is fair to all, fair to the parents, teachers, taxpayers and pupils and a policy which legitimate aspirations of all true and loyal citizens of the Federation.

firmly meets the It does not satisfy every extreme interest.
But I claim with factional confidence, Sir, that it satisfies the majority of our citizens and that it is a policy properly adapted to the needs of our new nation.

Enche' T. H. Tan: Mr. President, Sir, this Bill takes us another major stepfurther in the task of consolidating our national language and of creating 325 23 OCTOBER 1961 326 Undang2 Tun Abdul Razak dan Abdul Rahman Talib itu.
Tujuan yang besar dan mustahak memang-lah telah berada di-dalam-nya dan termasok-lah kesemua-nya yang wajib, dan mesti di-jalankan di-atas segala penuntut2 yang mustautin dalam Persekutuan Tanah Melayu ini daripada sakalian bangsa.

Dato' Yang di-Pertua, kita semua telah memberi · persetujuan ia-itu bahasa yang tunggal di-dalam Persekutuan ini ia-lah bahasa Melayu.
Kita telah berada beberapa lama di bawah Kerajaan penjajahan dan kita semua menggunakan bahasa yang lain ia-itu daripada bahasa Kebangsaan sekarang bahasa Melayu.

Tetapi, sampai-lah masa-nya pula patut kita semua daripada sakalian bangsa yang mendudoki dalam negeri ini bertolak ansor dengan dasar Pelajaran khas-nya dan juga dengan segala dasar2 Kerajaan negeri ini.
Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya menarohi sa-penoh keperchayaan bahawa Kera tidak hendak membinasakan jaan pelajaran2 atau bahasa yang lain di dalam negeri ini.

Tetapi mesti-lah pula Kerajaan membuat tiap2 urusan itu supaya segala pekerjaan yang ber itu dapat kenaan dengan pelajaran di-jalankan dengan betul dan teliti; dan mengikut kemahuan dan kemajuan negeri Persekutuan ini.
Yang Ber di-Pertua, hormat Dato' Yang memang-lah itu tidak-lah dapat sa-saorang itu memberi kesukaan kapada kesemua-nya; saperti yang di-lafazkan oleh Yang Amat Berhormat Tun Abdul Razak dalam Dewan Ra'ayat sadikit masa dahulu; dalam bahasa Inggeris: tiap2 satu urusan kepuasan atau "It is difficult to please all in what ever we do, even if it is good".
Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya telah mendengar uchapan daripada sa-orang ahli Pembangkang dalam Parlimen sedikit hari dahulu yang menyatakan ia-itu ada-lab perjanjian Kerajaan hendak memberi free education bagi Primary School itu semua-nya tidak betul dan telah menggunakan perkataan "SHAM".

Bahawasa-nya Inggeris lama tidak berapa baharu sahaja a Malayan nation.
Assurances were given in the Lower House, and I quote that "as long as the Alliance Govern ment remains in power there will be free primary education for all and free education in Malay medium streams at all levels."

to prevent The fear which a certain section of the Chinese community feels, namely, that the Bill will spell the death knell of Chinese education and culture, is, to my mind, entirely groundless.
Indeed, the reverse will be the case, since primary education even in Chinese schools will be entirely free.

Such primary education will provide the necessary basic Chinese education and there is nothing as far as I am aware in our laws the Chinese, if they so wish, to pursue higher studies in Chinese.

I am con vinced that as more and more Chinese educationists move ahead with the times, the opponents to the Bill will diminish in number and even disappear from the scene.
I urge the section of the Chinese community concerned to move with the times-either they do so on their own volition or they will find themselves outstripped by time and become misfits in our fast progressing society.

I submit that they have a duty in the task of nation building, and I believe that upon further .

reflection they will not shirk this duty-I am confident that they will not.

Sir, I support the Bill before the House.


Enche' Cheah Seng Khim: Mr. President, Sir, having heard what the Honourable Minister of Education has said, and also his promises.

which are not in this Bill, I would like to give my full support to this Bill.

Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar bin Yahya: Yang Berhormat, Dato' Yang di Pertua, saya sudah mendengar uchapan daripada Yang Berhormat Menteri Pelajaran dan Ahli2 Yang Berhormat dalam Dewan ini.
Saya mengambil peluang di-sini menguchapkan terima kaseh kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri itu dan menyokong Rang Undang2 yang di-bentangkan dalam Dewan ini.

Pada ada perbezaan yang besar di -dalam Rang perasaan tidak saya - 327 23 OCTOBER 1961 328 tahun 1962.
Dengan dahulu, dalam satu meshuarat Pengurus Sekolah Convent di-J ohore (Board of Governors) dan saya salah sa-orang daripada ahli-nya; kita telah berunding kerana hendak menjalankan dasar2 Kerajaan kerana memberi free educa tion kapada Sekolah2 Rendah (Primary) ini, di-dalam Dato' Yang di-Pertua, siapa yang betul atau terpulang-lah kapada Dewan ini memikirkan.
Dalam Dewan Ra'ayat juga salah sa-orang daripada Parti Pembangk:ang telah mengkeritik, beberapa section di-dalam Rang Undang2 ini, tetapi sa-balek-nya pula ia memberi dasar atau alasan yang lebeb baik lagi daripada itu, supaya Undang2 ini di-batalkan sahaja semua sa-kali.

kehendak-nya "SHAM" tetapi tidak itu, sa-suai dengan Dato' Yang di-Pertua, ini boleb-lab di-katakan saperti kata perpatab orang "Sebab marahkan sa-ekor Melayu: nyamok · kelambu habis di-bakar".
Ini ~ukan-lah sifat sa-bagai sa-orang yang sempurna akal-nya.

Juga kalau ada section2 dalam Rang Undang2 itu perjalanan tidak pelajaran dalam Persekutuan ini.

boleh-lah di-pindakan section2 itu pada masa hadapan kelak, tidak-lab di-tolak Undang2 itu sama sa-kali.
Dato' Yang di-Pertua, maksud saya tadi ia-itu butir2 yang telah di-lafazkan oleh Yang Ber hormat Menteri Pelajaran itu memberi sudab satu sampai-lah masa-nya mesti Kerajaan Persekutuan ini menjalankan semua dasar2-nya kerana bendak memper baiki pemerentahan negeri kita ini berkenaan dengan pelajaran.

Oleb itu.

Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya menyokong Rang2 Undang2 ini, terima kaseh.

keperchayaan ia-itu itu ada-lab dan pertimbangan; penentang2 yang saya katakan saperti mengikut rasa hati.
Rasa hati ada-lab lain · dengan akal fikiran, sebab itu sudah jadi berlainan dan berlawanan.

Nampak-nya Undang2 ini mengem bangkan babasa Kebangsaan menuju perpaduan bangsa.

J adi, kalau ada yang menentang.

katakan bahawa orang itu sa-bagai pembunoh bangsa, orang2 yang mengikut perasaan itu ada-lab pembunob kapada bati perpaduan ra'ayat.

Se~b-nya, Undang2 ini kalau tidak di-terima maka per paduan itu akan binasa.
saya ini sudah bahasa Mandarin, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya nampak ada satu jalan yang saperti membunoh bahasa, tetapi tidak pernah di-sebut dalam negeri kita ini.

Mithal-nya, di-hari ini di-Sekolab2 China mengguna tentu-lah kan beberapa tahun akan datang babasa2 yang biasa di-pertutorkan oleh orang2 China dalam negeri sa-bagai bahasa Hokian, Hailam, Kek dan lain2 bahasa lagi akan dengan sendiri-nya mati bagitu sabaja.
Tambaban pula semenda-menyemenda besok hingga ka-anak cbuchu-nya nanti bahasa2 mereka itu akan mati, kalau dia Hailam, tidak hendak berchakap Hailam itu memang dengan sendiri-nya akan membunob, dan ini tidak pemah di-cbakapkan dalam negeri kita ini.

Kita ramai2 di sini bendak-lah menggunakan akal dan fikiran jangan-lah mengikut perasaan hati atau mengikut kehendak hati.

Kerana akal dan fikiran itu sentiasa ada menggunakan timbang tetapi kebendak bati menimbang, tidak, ada-lah berlainan sadikit.

lagi.
lagi.

Perkara dan Enche' Abdul Wahab bin Idus: Dato' Yang di-Pertua, di-samping menjalan dan memelibara Undang2 kan Pelajaran ini, saya rasa Undang2 ini sudah di-bentok dengan akal dan fikiran yang waras.

J adi, say a ~rdiri di-sini kerana terperanjat membacba perbahathan2 yang sudab2 dan Menteri Pelajaran sudab di-chabar sa-bagai hendak membunob kebudayaan dan bahasa China.
Jadi, ini-lah saya bangun memberikan · fikiran saya bahawa Undang2 ini di-buat dengan akal fikiran ini Jadi, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, ke siltlpulan-nya bahawa orang2 yang sa-bagai mengatakan Undang2 pembunoh bahasa dan kebudayaan.
ada-lab juga saya katakan babawa orang2 yang menudob itu mengikut perasaan bati-nya dan mereka ini ada-lab pembunoh kapada perpaduan ra'ayat, ini sudah pun saya terangkan tadi mithalan-nya ia-itu pada beberapa tabun akan datang babasa2 lain akan mati dan mereka akan menggunakan _bahasa Mandarin.
329 23 OCTOBER 1961 telah di-keluarkan Enche' Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di· samping menyokong Rang Undang2 Pelajaran yang telah di-huraikan oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Pelajaran, saya rasa perlu juga saya mengambil peluang untok memberi fikiran dan pandangan saya di-atas Rang Undang2 ini.
Pada masa tahun 1957, ia-itu masa Undang2 Pelajaran di-susun dengan berdasarkan kapada Penyata Razak, waktu itu saya maseh ingat lagi bagai mana hebat, bagaimana tentangan yang di-keluarkan oleh gulongan2 yang menentang Dasar Pelajaran pada masa itu.

Dan pada masa itu perkara tidak ada yang beza-nya dengan apa yang telah di keluarkan pada masa ini.
Tentangan yang datang ia-lah daripada gulongan guru2 sekolah China dan gulongan2 orang China yang mahu menegakkan bahasa China menjadi bahasa rasmi negeri itu Dasar Pelajaran itu telah mendapat sa-bahagian besar dari sambutan yang pada kaseh kapada Tanah Melayu, dan suka melihat Tanah Melayu yang mempunyai: berbagai2 bangsa menjadi satu negeri yang aman dan baik.

Dasar Pelajaran Razak itu telah di-luluskan oleh Majlis Meshuarat Undangan Persekutuan pada masa itu dengan tentangan2 yang hebat.

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Dan bagi melaksanakan dasar ini dengan lebeh tegas lagi, maka satu jawatan-kuasa telah di-bentok dan ia-nya telah di susun oleh Yang Berhormat Enche' Abdul Rahman bagi melaksanakan Penyata Razak itu pada dasar-nya.

ini.

Tetapi pada masa ra•ayat negeri ini ini ini lagi Hari timbul tentangan kapada Penyata Rahman Talib, dan tentangan tidak ada beza-nya dengan tentangan yang di-lakukan dalam tahun 1957 dahulu, chuma chara tentangan itu sahaja yang berbeza.
Pada masa mereka menentang Penyata Razak, mereka itu berkata berbagai perkara merupakan tentangan itu.

Maka kapada Penyata Razak apabila Penyata Rahman Talib di kemukakan, mereka menentang dasar ini dan mengatakan berlainan dengan dasar Penyata Razak, pada hal mereka juga yang menentang Penyata Razak 330 tahun 1957 dahulu.

Itu-lah pehak2 yang mempermainkan Dasar Pelajaran ini bagi memechah-belahkan ra'ayat dalam negeri ini.
Pada saya, Kerajaan kita mt, sangat-lah mustahak mengambil satu tindakan yang tegas bagi mengawal dan ra'ayat.

Dasar menjaga perpaduan Pelajaran perkara satu ada-lab nasional, satu perkara kebangsaan yang mesti di-kawal, di-pupok dengan baik.
Sa-kira-nya ada pehak2 yang merosakkan perpaduan ra•ayat dengan menggunakan Dasar Pelajaran ini, maka hendak-lah dengan sa-berapa segera Kerajaan mengambil tinda yang undang2 kan, mengadakan tertentu bagi menchegah mereka itu daripada menggunakan Dasar Pelajaran ini menjadi alat bagi memechah dan menghuru-harakan belahkan Tanah Melayu ini.

Kita pemah mendengar apa yang berlaku di-Ceylon, kita pernah mendengar apa yang ber Jaku di-beberapa buah negeri mengenai: perkara pelajaran ini.
Dan kita tidak mahu negeri kita ini menjadi satu medan kachau-bilau berkenaan dengan hal pelajaran.

Dan dengan kerana itu lah saya rasa perlu bagi Kerajaan kita mengambil tindakan dengan sa-berapa yang dapat supaya perkara2 yang berlaku di-negeri2 lain itu tidak akan timbul dan berlaku dalam negeri kita ini.
Dalam Dewan Negara ini tidak ada Yang Berhormat Enche' Seenivasagaril, jadi Dewan ini sejok dan tidak pernah panas dan hebat, tetapi kalau-lah ada Yang Berhormat Enche' Seenivasagam di-hadapan saya ini, saya rasa perlu juga kita berchakap sa-patah dua.

apa yang telah di-huraikan dalam Dewan Ra'ayat itu.

Tetapi mereka ini tidak ada di-sini, ia tidak boleh menjawab tudohan2 atau pun memberi jawapan kapada apa yang harus kita katakan dalam Dewan ini.
Saya rasa perkataan2 mereka yang di-keluarkan oleh mereka dalam Dewan Ra'ayat dan juga di-luar boleh membangkitkan perasaan per musohan di-antara kaum2 dalam negeri ini.

Mereka sedar perbuatan mereka itu merbahaya kapada negeri, tetapi mereka sedar bahawa apa yang mereka lakukan itu Kerajaan berle~but 331 23 OCTOBER 1961 332 tidak akan melakukan sa-suatu kapada mereka.
ltu-lah sebab-nya mereka itu berani mempermainkan api dan itu-lah sebab-nya mereka itu sanggup memper· mainkan api yang jadi merbahaya kapada Tanah Melayu, jadi Kerajaan mesti berdiri dengan tegas, menyatakan dengan tegas apa2 langkah yang harus di-ambil dan sa-patut-nya mengadakan undang2 dan mengeluarkan perentah bagi menchegah berlaku-nya sa-barang perkara yang tidak di-ingini itu.
itu Kalau mereka yang menentang Dasar Pelajaran itu melawat negeri2 lain, umpama-nya, Siam dan negeri2 lain dalam dunia ini, mereka sendiri akan sedar betapa Dasar Pelajaran, perkara pelajaran kebangsaan dalam negeri telah di-jalankan dengan tegas dan kemas.

Umpama-nya, kalau kita pergi ka-Siam, kita dapati bahasa Siam telah menjadi bahasa per chakapan rasmi dan tulisan-nya juga menjadi tulisan rasmi dalam negeri itu.
Sa-orang China yang telah hidup ber puloh tahun di-Bangkok umpama-nya, tidak berani menentang Dasar Pelajar an Siam yang ada dalam negeri itu.

Tetapi, mereka yang dudok dalam negeri ini yang telah rna 'amor dan baik sanggup segala nikmat menerima menentang apa yang kita lakukan dengan chara bertolak ansor dengan baik serta tidak ada kekerasan.
Ini-lah fikiran yang ada pada sa-tengah gulongan yang tidak faham atau sengaja buat tidak faham untok menguntong kan pehak-nya dalam penpainan siasah dalam negeri kita ini.

supaya ada Oleh itu, saya berseni kapada pehak yang berkuasa mengambil tindakan.

Sa-barang Undang2 Pelajaran itu di tindakan2 dan susun kuat-kuasa bagi Kerajaan menghapus kan sa-barang salah faham, sa-barang kekeliruan dan sa-barang perkara yang akan berbangkit dalam negeri ini mengenai: hal pelajaran.
Dato' Dr. Cheah Toon Lok: Mr. President, Sir, I wish to thank the Minister of Education for his very thorough explanation of the provisions of the new Education Bill.

I have consulted him on many occasions regarding the difficulties of the Chinese schools, and his advice, actions and decisions have been most fair and his attitude accommodating.

I wish here to express my thanks to him in this respect.
The other day I happened to be at the debate in the Dewan Ra'ayat wpere this Bill was discussed at great length and I had a visitor with me.

I read in the Sunday Times the next day that the Chairman of the MCA was there-by the way I am not the Chair· man but I am the President of the MCA-to see that the Members of the MCA toe the party line so that all of them must support the Education Bill against their conscience.
Sir, I was not able to refer the Honourable Member who spoke about me to Section 35 (5) of our Parliamentary procedure regard ing imputation, imputation of motives I never entertained at all; which the because as an Alliance party the taken at decision was already Alliance pre-Council level, and I believe that even the Prime Minister himself, not to say the President of the MCA, has not the power, after a decision has been taken, to ask the Members to alter the decision of the Alliance pre-Council meeting.
So I think that is a very unfair imputation, and I suggest that it is a policy of that party to divide the UMNO and the MCA regarding a very highly explosive and controversial matter.

the last I wish to say that I support this Bill on many grounds.

We are now a new nation in the making.


We have only experience of Parliamentary rule of Government within four years and in our experience we feel that communal feelings, even religious feelings, should be left out in a country that wants unity and that only unity · can come through a process of educa· tion, a type of education which should be national in character.
I feel that this Bill before the House is national in character although there has been a suggestion by the Opposition Party th!lt the Minister too Section 21 allows much power and that he might, through paragraph 2 of that section, kill.

the culture and the language of the Chinese.

Sir, I do not think that the culture derived by· people during· its 333 23 OCfOBER 1961 334 read five thousand years df existence can be killed so quickly, and I do not think .you can kill a language.
I think many people do not understand that educa tion is the means to an end only; even the terms social justice, social welfare, social security and economic justice, are the means to one particular end, and the particular end is the one, who is the root of human society-man, the individual, not a group, not the Englishman or the Russian or the Malayan or the Chinese or the Indian, but the individual as man only; nor through the Buddhists or through the Muslims or the Christians or the Hindus but as man only; and those means have one ultimate end.
That end is a fuller, a richer, a happier and a more adequate life for man and not for a community or a group or a religious body.

The defect in the West, if you philosophy-Western philosophy-is the defect in keeping advancing a group not the man himself, the individual himself, who is after all the root of society, and that defect has caused us to-day.
live America is such a big nation and yet she is living in fear; Russia is such a big nation and yet she is living in fear, not to say Malaya which is such a small nation.

Are we also not living in fear?

Why?

It is because we have come to a stage when we say that that God you must worship is the God of the higher standard of living, because you must have a high standard of living or else you will perish.

I think that is wrong.
I think that is wrong because unless we go basically into the problem of man himself, then we can come to there will be peace, a stage when prosperity, throughout the world and this education to which we are coming is to bring all our people together so that we can have our national conscience, so that we can develop the Malayan, the man living in Malaya, not the Malay or the Chinese or the Englishman or the Russian, to a fuller, richer, happier life for him, and in that objective we must have some form of education so that the man understands how to live, how to understand, how to exercise his judgment, how to exercise his ability, so that he can fit in with the in fear to in that religious bodies, society we are creating for ·him,- to fit in with an environment which is con ducive to a new Civilisation and a new society that we are bringing up in the Malaya to-day.
I suggest extremists in religious orthodoxies must not stress so much on religion; religion relates to our belief in something through which man has to approach God.

I don't think that it is right that the path towards God, which are so many, should be a matter of controversy.

After all, you approach God in order to know the way; the Muslim approaches in his own way to God.

Mr. President: I think you have gone out of your way.

(IA.ughter).

in fuller life-that Dato' Dr. Cheah Toon Lok: There .
is a provision on religion this issue-I am sorry, Sir.

I think we should only think of education as something to make man have a happier, larger, the object though material has got spiritual values.

Not only have we a material life but we have a spiritual life, because all religions say there is a God, there is paradise and so on.

Now unless a man is educated to understand religion, educated to be able to read to under stand it, he will be led astray.
So we are now ~iving free primary education to all chtldren in this country and I think the Government is doing a great service to all these children, because at least within the next six years every child who is born in· this country will be able to read and write; and I think the Alliance Government should be thanked for keeping its election pledges, (i) to give primary education free of charge to all children, and (ii) to raise the school leaving age from 13 to 15 so that the boy who has left school can have a means of sustenance, to find work not only to support himself but also to support his family.
I know that the opponents of this Bill are afraid of sub-clause (2) of Clause 21 of this Bill, which reads as follows- "Where - at any time the Minister is satisfied that a national-type primacy achool may suitably be converted into a .. .u-f 335 23 OCTOBER 1961 336 national primary ·school he may by order direct that the school shall become .

a national primary school."


I think the Minister has given an assur ance that in this he would move with caution on this matter because every body btows, and he know~ it him~lf, that this is a very explosive section.

The Minister has assured us that he knows it and I think we will abide by his words.

Thank you, Sir.
Thank you, Sir.

itu dahulu beberapa Enehe' Da Abdul JaHl: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun untok me ngalu2kan undang2 ini dan saya suka untok memberi pandangan di-atas perkara yang telah berlaku dalam soal pelajaran negeri kita ini.

Tuan 'fang di-Pertua, sejak berlaku-nya pelaJaran banyak Razak sekolah2 telah di-dirikan di-kampong2, tetapi sayang sa-kali yang di-dirikan di-kampong2 tidak pula.

ada mempunya!

rumah untok kediaman guruz.


Maka ini ada-lab menjadikan satu kesukaran yang besar kapada guru2 yang mengajar di-kampong2 itu, kerana keadaan rumah2 di-kampong2 tidak-lah bagitu terator sa-bagaimana pendudok2 di-band~.

M~a dengan ketiadaan rumah bagi guru2 di-kampong yang terpenchil itu ada-lab menjadi satu kesusahan besar kapada guru2 itu bahkan mereka terpaksa-lah berulang alek berpuloh2 batu jauh-nya untok kewajipan-nya.
Oleh menunaikan kerana kedudokan-nya terlampau jauh maka mereka tidak dapat menjalankan tugas-nya dengan sempurna, kerana mereka terpaksa-lah mengambil masa yang panjang di-sepanjang jalan itu ia-itu dari ~mpat tinggal-nya ka sekolah.

Jadi kalau-lah Kerajaan dapa!


mengadakan rumah2 guru Itu sapertl mana yang di-adakan di-bandar2 tentu lah kesukaran ini dapat di-atasi dan saya rasa patut-lah Kerajaan mengada kan rumah2 guru di-kampong2 yang di-dirikan sekolah2 oleh Kerajaan, dan ini baharu-lah terjamin keadaan-nya dengan sempurna.

Kita tabu bahawa di-kampong ada sekolah kebangsaan yang bertujuan un tok memberi anak2 kita pelajaran agar menjadi ra'ayat yang sempurna dalam negeri kita ini.
tetapi kalau-lah dengan keadaan yang demikian itu tentu-lah anak2 kita itu tidak akan mendapat pelajaran yang sempurna oleh kerana guru2 yang mendidek itu tidak di-beri rumah2 untok melaksanakan tujuan pelajaran ini.
tunggal Sekolah Kebangsaan ada-lab menjadi asas kapada tujuan kita dan bahasa Melayu akan di-jadikan bahasa resmi yang dalam Persekutuan Tanah Melayu pada tahun 1967 tetapi kalau-lah kita abaikan dalam perkara yang di-pandang kechil saya bimbang orang2 nanti kampong itu bagi mendafat pelajaran yang sempurna bagi anak -nya.
susah-lah ini, ini yang Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji TaHb: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya uchapkan terima kaseh kapada Ahli2 Dewan telah menyokong ini dan hanya saya Rang Undang2 hendak memberi penerangan atas dua tiga pandangan yang telah di-datang kan oleh Ahli2 Dewan ini.

Yang pertama pandangan yang baharu sahaja di-sampaikan oleh Yang Berhormat Enche' Da Abdul Jalil ia-itu berkenaan dengan hal rumah2 guru yang mengajar di-kampong.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya pada masa dalam uchapan membentangkan Rang Undang2 IDI saya bahawa telah menyatakan kemajuan dan juga kejayaan sekolah kebangsaan ada-lab menjadi perkara yang mendapat perhatian saya yang istimewa.
Jadi itu ada-lab statement berkenaan dengan dasar yang saya rasa patut di-ambil ingatan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu sendiri, Dan kira-nya Ahli Yang Berhormat itu memandang kapada Ranchangan Lima Tahun Yang Kedua maka di dalam itu kita dapati bahawa peruntok kan yang berkenaan kechil2 ada di-masokkan bagi tnengadakan .rumah2 guru· yang di-kampong Jadi perkara ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sudah pun di-ambil tindakan sa-belum Ahli Yang Berhormat itu melafadzkan dalam Dewan ini.

itu.
itu.

Berkenaan dengan yang kedua ia-lah fasal 21 (~) yang ada tersebut di-dalam penggal ini yang menimbulkan sadikit ketakutan.

Dalam keraguan dan 337 23 OCfOBER 1961 ( 338 di-Pertua, uchapan saya tadi telah menyatakan, THE UNIVERSITY OF MALAYA bahawa Tuan Yang ini ada-lab di-maksudkan kelulusan kapada yang Sekolah2 Rendah bangunan-nya di-punyai oleh Kerajaan, dan ia-lah bagi melaksanakan para.

56 daripada Penyata Razak.

Saya bachakan bagi pengetahuan Majlis ini sendiri: Second.
Reading Tun Leong Yew Kob: Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to provide for the establish ment the University of Malaya and for matters connected therewith" be read a second time.

incorporation BILL and ini of We recommend that the policy shall be to convert the present Government schools into Standard schools ....... .. pada masa itu di-gelar Standard schools tetapi pada masa sekarang di-gelar National Language Streams.
Jadi tidak lah maksud Kerajaan hendak memaksa sekolah rendah memakai bahasa China yang bangunan-nya bukan bangunan Kerajaan.

Maksud para.

ini ia-lah bagi melaksanakan para.

56 Penyata Razak.

Barangkali, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, itu-lah dua perkara yang patut saya terangkan.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time.

Sitting suspended at 12.55 p.m.

Sitting resumed at 2.00 p.m. (Mr. President in the Chair) mE EDUCATION BILL Bill committed to a Committee of the whole House.
House immediately resolved into a Committee on the Bill.

itself (Mr. President in the Chair) Bill considered in Committee: Clauses 1 to 140 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Preamble ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.

Enche' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to second the motion.


Encbe' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Tafib: Mr. President, Sir, the object of this Bill which was agreed to by the Dewan Ra'ayat last week, is to- give the Kuala Lumpur Division of the University of Malaya the status of an autonomous, separate national Uni versity for the Federation to be known as the University of Malaya.

The new Constitution of the Uni versity is contained in the Schedule to this Bill.
Substantially this Constitu tion represents a return to the 1949 Constitution of the University of Malaya, the Constitution which was enacted when the University was first founded in Singapore.

It replaces the 1958 Constitution which provided for two Divisions of the University.
Sir, the establishment of two Uni versities has now become necessary, not because of any political divisions between the Federation and Singapore but because the increasing demand for University education both in Singapore and in the Federation is now of such dimensions that the creation of two separate brother Universities has become necessary in the best interests of all.
I have kept in close touch with the Minister of Education in Singapore in order to ensure that there will be an identity of purpose and of organisation between the two new Universities.

The new Constitution has also been discussed in detail and agreed with the University authorities.

339 23 OCfOBER 1961 340 The objective ·of the Government.

and of the University authorities, is to build up a truly national University as the apex of our educational system.
It is intended, and this principle is fully accepted by the University, to the use of the introduce gradually national language into certain Uni versity courses so that eventually a bilingual University will develop, crowning the education system of Persekutuan Tanah Melayu.
In such a capacity the University of Malaya can always rely upon the full support of the Federation Government, financially and otherwise, and the Government less the will be no than the academic University itself of standards of our University, their maintenance and their improvement.

jealous The amendments which were made to this Bill in the other House are designed mainly to associate Their the Rulers and Their Highnesses the the Governors of Excellencies States more closely with the University.
I am confident, Sir, that all will agree that this is highly desirable in our national University.

I would also invite attention of the House to the proviso to Clause 47 under which, provided they satisfy the entrance requirements laid down by the University the University itself, will not to any refuse admission students who have been awarded Federal or State scholarships.
Under Clause 53 of the Schedule, the Chancellor of the new University of Malaya will be appointed by the Yang di-Pertuan Agong after consulta tion with the present Chancellor.

I am sure that the House will agree that the time has now come for the appointment of a Malayan Chancellor.

In saying this, I am sure the House would wish me to add a word of gratitude to the present Chancellor, the Rt.
Hon'ble Mr. Malcolm MacDonald, who has been Chancellor of · the University of Malaya since its founda tion in 1949.

He has himself offered to stand aside in favour of a Malayan Chancellor.

This _indicates once more his understanding of ·the wishes af the people of this country and the sincerity with which he has approached our problem and our aspirations.

On behalf of the Government I wish to thank him for his incomparable services to our University.
Sir, so far as I know, there is no controversy over terms of the the University's new Constitution, and this Bill was welcomed by all parties in the Dewan Ra'ayat.

This new Con stitution confers upon the University a right of managing its own affairs and a degree of autonomy which is proper to its status and dignity as a University.
The Government, Sir, is determined that our own University here in Kuala Lumpur shall be, by the highest standards, a first class teaching and research institution which will stand comparison with the best in the world.

A very fine start has already been made in the Pantai Valley and great credit is due to all those who have built up the Kuala Lumpur Division during the last three or four years.

There are already faculties of Arts, Science and Engineering.
There are flourishing Departments of Agriculture, Economics, Malay and Indian Studies.

Departments of Chinese and Islamic Studies are ·being created.

Already there is a wide range of achievement in that beautiful campus.

A faculty of Medicine is to be established, begin ning, I hope, in 1963.

Sir, I hope that this Bill will find favour in this Honourable Senate.
Its intention is to confer autonomy upon the University so as to maintain its position outside party politics and to enable the University, with the help of the Government, which will be readily given, .to develop into a citadel of learning and research which will earn the respect not only of Malayans, but also of the whole world.

A fruitful partnership has already been established between the Government and the University in Kuala Lumpur, the results of which are there for all to.
see' in the Pantai Valley.

But these are only .beginnings and I look forward 341 23 OCfOBER 1961 342 to splendid development in the coming years based upon this new Constitution which I commend for the wholehearted approval of this House.

(Applause).

Enche' T. H. Tan: Mr. President, Sir, I support this Bill because it is fitting and proper that the independent Federation of Malaya should have a University of its own.
I have no doubt that the Government will exert every effort to make our University a model seat of learning.

The creation of the Department of Chinese Studies is another proof that our Government does not intend to kill Chinese culture.
leaders, administrators In entrusting the every day affairs of the University to its Council, I hope the Government would ensure not only that the studies at the University will be carefully planned to produce the right and professional men and women, but also that the academic and non-academic staffs are properly looked after.

I am as much concerned with the welfare of the academic staff as that of the well-being of the non-academic staff who keep the wheels turning.
It has the come representations that have been made so far concerning recruitment.

promotions and service conditions, have seldom reached the University Council.

Some how and for some strange reason, these the Non academic Staff Association appear to have been blocked at some adminis trative level.

May I ask for an assurance these the non academic staff will be brought to the attention of that appropriate action will be taken where necessary?
to my knowledge representations by representations by the Council and that Dato' E. E. C. Thuraisingham: Mr. President, Sir, I wish to congratulate the Government and the Honourable Minister of Education for the very early and speedy realization of an ambition that many in this country have had for many years after the war.

The establishment of this university, as the Minister has said, would fonn the apex of a widely based education policy that has been passed in this Senate this morning.
to a dear friend, The Honourable Minister's refer ences the Right Honourable Mr. Malcolm MacDonald, have been particularly pleasing.

He worked very hard from 1949 onwards to maintain the highest integrity and the academic standards in the Uni versity of Malaya.

He also strove to the Kuala assist Lumpur Branch, thereby paving the way for an independent University of Malaya which we see to-day.

the formation of This is not the whole story of university education in this country.
I am sure as time goes by there will be need for another university, possibly in Penang, or any other town of the Federation.

As a start, it may well be, as done in other parts of the world, that university colleges would be established linking the university proper and the colleges.

But as time goes on it may be that those university colleges themselves so affiliated to the Uni versity of Malaya will themselves become universities in this country.
One matter that has always caused me great anxiety in university life has been the encroachment of politics.

In the intimate and comprehensive govern ments that we have all over the world where men's speeches and actions are carefully scrutinised, we have thought that the university, and the university alone, was the place in which dis cussions on current politics and current affairs were permitted without any restrictions whatever from political leaders.
I hope that our university will always remain free to discuss any problem whether political or otherwise the without authorities the university or authorities outside the university.

I hope in mind-that at least our young men of high education would have a clear place for discussion in the future.

that will always be kept the fear of offending inside Again, Sir, ·I wish to congratulate the Honourable Minister for the great and splendid effort of bringing this Bill-before the House.

(Applaitse).
(Applaitse).

343 23 OCfOBER 1961 344 than the Dato' Dr. Cheah Toon Lok: Mr. President, Sir, I wish to congratulate this Government in bringing into being a new seat of learning and I hope that this will not be the only seat of learning that we will have in this country.

As our students pass out from the schools and enter the highest seat of learning I hope they will be taught something more technical knowledge that is obtained in the university.
It has been said that an Oxford graduate walks as if the world belongs to him and the Cambridge graduate behaves as if the world belongs to nobody.

I hope the conduct of our graduates will be such that they will bring a good reputation not only to our highest seat of learning but also to our coun(ry, because after all the fame, name and reputation of a university rests UJX>n the doings, activities and leadership of the graduates.

(Applause).
(Applause).

Dato' Sheikh Abu Dakar: Honour able Dato' President, Sir, I wish to congratulate the Honourable Minister of Education for bringing this Bill into this House.

I welcome it, Sir, and I am of the opinion that it is already time for the Federation to have .

its own university on the same lines.

as our neighbour SingaJX>re's or even better.

I have nothing to comment on the provisions of the Bill itself-it is already complete and adequate.
However, Sir, there is one small request which I would respectfully put to the Honour able Minister of Education for his favourable consideration.

I have heard him just now saying that there are already in the University Faculties of Science, ~rt and Engineering whilst Departments of Chinese and Islamic Studies are being created.

But he if I am not mistaken, "A added, Faculty of Medicine is to be establish ed, beginning, I hope in 1963".
Sir, I would respectfully ask him to omit tl\e words "I hope" from that state ment, so that we can have a Faculty is my of Medicine request, Sir.

I have addressed this Honourable House at length once before about the Faculty of Medicine and the Minister of Health and Social in 1963.

This Welfare, Data' Ong Yoke Lin, replied to me then.

I am addressing again on the same question and I trust that a Faculty of Medicine will be created definitely in 1963.

No doubt, Sir, the question is finance.


But no doubt when the Minister asks Parliament to provide for it, as in Section 6 (1) of the Bill, I am sure there will not be one Member in this Honourable House, and also in the Lower House, who will not support such a request to make our university at par with Singapore University.

form regulation 48 of Lastly, I am strongly against some of the words spoken by some members of the Opposition in the Lower House a few days back.
They said that the university students should be allowed to societies-Socialist aub, Liberal Oub, Alliance Club, etc.

But, Sir, under the Constitution, on page 19 of the Bill, it is already stipulated that the students shall be members of the society called the University of Malaya Students Union.

Here the regulations relating to clubs or asso ciations will be incorporated.

To allow in a several clubs university will make the students indulge all in time clubs instead of on their lessons.
The obvious result will be that we shall have more failures I support the Bill.

to be formed their valuable than passes.

believe that I Enche' Cheah Seng Khim: Mr. President; Sir, I rise to support the Bill and I am particularly happy to hear about the university colleges in Penang.

the Honourable Minister of Education will heed the wise words of my Honourable friend Dato' Thuraisingham.
hope I Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Ta&b: Mr. President, Sir; I am grateful for the support given in this House for this Bill.

I would like to touch on a point or two of the debates by the Honourable Members.

Firstly, my Honourable friend Enche' T. H. Tan has raised a point about the non-academic staff.

I can assure him that I will bring up this complaint 345 23 · OCfOBER 1961 346 to the proper authorities and I am sure that they will give it due consideration.
Secondly, on the view expressed by the Honourable Dato' Thuraisingham, I can only say that I share the view expressed by him that in future it may be necessary to have more than one university in Malaya.

(Applause).

As I have said in introducing this Bill~ at the moment we have to concentrate in developing this new-born national university of ours.

There was one other point raised by the Honourable Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar about the setting up of the faculty of medicine.
Arrangements have been made to set up this faculty, but I cannot give him a definite assurance because the setting up of a faculty of this nature involves a lot of preparations.

First and foremost is to find the staff and at the present time it is not easy to find the academic staff which we need.

However, the matter is in the hands of the appropriate authority and I am sure that this faculty will be set up as contemplated by the Government.

Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved into a Committee on the Bill.

itself Bill considered in Committee.

Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending on the thirty-first day of December, 1962" be read a second time.

Enche' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to second the motion.
The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan Siew Sin): Mr. President, Sir, as it is uncertain whether it would be practicable to pass the Supply Bill authorising expenditure for the year ending 31st December, 1962 before the end of 1961 owing to the possibility that the dates for the next meeting of the Dewan Ra'ayat might be altered, it to make provision for Government expenditure from 1st January, 1962 until such date as the Supply Bill for 1962 is passed by Parliament.
is necessary for the issue from The Consolidated Fund (Expenditure on Account) Bill, 1961, therefore provides the Consolidated Fund of a sum of $121 million which is calculated to provide for the service of the Government for about two months, as it is anticipated that the Supply Act will have become law not later than the end of February, 1962.
This procedure is similar to that adopted the last year except present Bill includes a schedule setting out how the sum of $121 million shall be applied between the various Heads of Expenditure.

that (Mr. President in the Chair) Question put, and agreed to.

Clauses I to 12 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.
Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved into a Committee on the Bill.

itself (Mr. President in the Chair) THE CONSOLIDATED FUND (EX- PENDITURE ON ACCOUNT) BILL part of the Bill.

Clauses I f.lnd 2 ordered to stand Second Reading Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, Sir, I beg .to move .that a.. Bill- intituled ''an Act to apply a sum out of the Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

., Bill reported .
., Bill reported .

without amendment: read the third time and passed.

347 23 OCfOBER 1961 mE CORPORATIONS DUTY ORDINANCE (REPEAL) BILL House immediately resolved into a Committee on the Bill.

348 itself Second Reading Bill considered in Committee.

.

Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to repeal the Corporations Duty Ordinance of the Straits Settle ments" be read a second time.

Enche' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to second the motion.


Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr. President, Sir, the purpose of this Bill is to repeal the Corporations Duty Ordinance, Cap.

229 of the Laws of the former Straits Settlements.

This Ordinance levies annually in respect of movable and immovable property which belongs to or is vested in any body corporate or incorporate, a duty at the rate of 3 per cent of the income or profits after allowing for certain permissible deduc tions the management of such property.
This Ordinance is applicable the States of Penang and only Malacca and not to the rest of the Federation.

to in The administration of this Ordinance before the war is somewhat shrouded in obscurity but from information ~hich it has been possible to collect, It would appear that the duty collected under the Ordinance was not sub stantial.

In the case of Malacca, the amount collected was stated to be not more than $100 per annum.
No duty has been collected under this Ordinance since the war, presumably is now because covered by the Income Tax Ordinance, 1947.

The effectiveness of the Ordi nance has, therefore, been allowed to lapse and since it is now redundant, it should be it repealed.

The States of Penang and Malacca have been consulted and both Governments are agreeable the proposal.

type of duty is considered that this to Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and.


committed to a Committee of the whole House.

(Mr. President in the Chair) Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.

THE RUBBER EXPORT DUTY (PENANG) BILL Second Reading Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to provide for the payment of export duty on rubber exported from Penang, and matters connected therewith" be read a second time.
Enche' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr. President, Sir, the Bill now before the House is not only short but a straightforward one.

Its provisions will enable export duty to be levied on rubber produced in and exported from Penang Island as from 1st January, 1962.
Conse quently, as from that date export duty will replace the present excise duty on estate rubber and the annual tree tax on smallholder rubber which are payable under Sections 3 (1) and 4 (1) respectively of the Rubber Excise (Penang) Ordinance, 1949. increasing embarrassment The annual tax has become a source of and irritation to the rubber smallholders on the Island for a variety of reasons.

In the first place, their rubber trees are generally old and therefore low yielding.
This is not all, they become less and less productive as time goes on.

Secondly, the annual tax is fixed at so much, i.e., so many cents per tappable rubber tree and is payable on an arbitrarily deter}llined average number of trees to the acre.

In view of this, the tax is payable irrespective of whether the rubber is being tapped or not.

349 23 OCTOBER 1961 350 tax the quantum of is Thirdly, based on the average price ruling during the year two years prior to the year in which it is applicable.
For example, the tax for 1961 would be based on the average ruling price for the year 1959, for the simple reason that this levy would have to be deter mined some time in 1960, and hence it would not be possible to base it on the year previous to that in which it would be applicable.
The effect of this system could be that a smallholder would have to pay a higher rate of duty the than his counterparts on mainland because his levy, payable in a lean year, would be based on a price level prevailing during a boom year, and vice versa.
This incidence is further aggravated by the fact that this tax is payable in one lump sum, unlike export duty which is deducted from the proceeds of rubber as it is sold, though I should · also add that it is usual to allow such payments to be made in instalments.

Be that as it may, it will be seen that this is a formula which has all rigid the disadvantages associated inevitably with rigidity.
No however formula, clevei:ly devised, can possibly take into full account the wide variations in yield occurring as between one holding and another, particularly between those which are planted solely with high yielding material on the one hand and those containing derelict rubber on the other.

In the circumstances, all that can be done is to devise a formula which would yield in tax an- amount approximately that obtainable from a holding of average yield.
Such a formula must necessarily hear hardly on those which are below average while discriminating in favour of those which are above it.

equivalent to On .
equivalent to On .

the other hand, the imposition of export duty will not only lighten the burden to which I have referred, by paying export duty and contributing to the replanting cess the smallholders will be entitled to participate in the various replanting schemes which have been specially designed to assist their limited brethren on the mainland to · replant their obsolescent holdings.

At present is being only a replanted on Penang Island, if at all.

It is in their interest, therefore.


that they should their holdings before it is too late.

replanting acreage start I am aware that the rubber trade on the Island does not welcome this proposed arrangement, and perhaps this is putting it rather mildly.

They that any oppose it on the ground changes of this nature would disrupt its entrepot trade.
While I agree that importers of rubber who do so with the intention of re-exporting it, would be subject to a certain measure of Customs control, the Government is prepared to do everything possible to ensure that such control is limited to the minimum necessary to ensure the effective implementation of this Order, and I am satisfied, after giving the matter considerable thought, that the entreport trade in rubber will not suffer as a result of this new system.
is tons imported Out of about 32,000 tons imported into Penang Island every year -in this connection, I have taken the average for the last three completed years- 7,500 tons are remilled and turned into crepe and sheet rubber.

In other words, the real entreport trade amounts to only 24,500 tons a year.
On the other hand, a total of approximately 22,000 the Principal Customs Area every year and the importers of such rubber have apparently found it profitable to tum such rubber into crepe in spite of an import duty of $20 a ton.

I, therefore, see no reason why this section of the trade should suffer at all, because pro vision will be made in the appropriate Customs Regulations and Customs Duties Order rubber to imported into Penang Island if such rubber re is exported.
to be subsequently exempt into Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

351 23 OCTOBER 1961 352 House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr. Speaker in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 3 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.
MOTION MALAYSIA Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move- That this House agreeing in principle with the concept of Malaysia comprising the eleven States of the Federation, the States of Singapore and Brunei and the territories of North Borneo and Sarawak, endorses the Government's initiative in the taking action progress of which will be reported to the House by the Honourable the Prime Minister from time to time.
realisation, for its Sir, I am sure the proposal to create this new confederation will be wel comed by aU sides of this House.

Above all, it is particularly gratifying to read in tM Press that the British Prime Minister himself so attracted to this proposal.

seems I have little doubt in my own mind that this "super-merger", if I may call it the that, will work.

Between Federation and Singapore, Brunei, Sarawak and North Borneo there are a number of very strong links-links which.
are natural, and links which have been artificially created.

The natural link is, of course, the link of race-whatever may be their religion, the sons of the soil in this part are of a common stock and, to a very large extent, of a common language.

The original Malaysian stock has had added to it other stocks from different parts of Asia, each bringing with it its own cultures, its own skills and its own aptitudes.
We in the Federation have shown that different races can live perfectly harmoniously together despite occasional but diminishing friction.

I am sure that the same will apply in the greater confederation of the future.

is That link.

The the natural artificial link, which is a very real one just the same, was imposed on us by our erstwhile colonial masters, and I think we must be at least grateful to them for that.
Our system of adminis tration is very similar indeed and follows perhaps the best pattern which has been evolved in the world-!

refer to the dignity and freedom of the individual which is inherent in the Common Law which grew in England.

Few people realise it, but the English Common Law is the basis on which about 800 million people in the world govern themselves in a spirit of liberty.

And so, when we merge, we shall not be strangers with a totally different way of thinking-we already think alike.
We have the same ingrained sense of the rule of law, the independence of the judiciary, the blessings of parlia mentary government.

We also have a civil service which is both honest and loyal.

All these things we have in common.

I doubt very much whether formerly and the peoples presently British-governed territories in this area have ever had, in their long history, so much in common.

For that reason, our super-merger cannot fail to succeed.
the in to could afford In this age when international com munism threatens the liberty of billions of people, no nation can afford to stand on its own.

We here, Singapore and the Borneo Territories are far too small to go our own separate ways.

I do not think that even a greater Malaysia stand militarily on its own.

But if we do merge, we stand a much better chance of improving our economy by mutual co-operation and by the pooling of our resources.
It is only by improving the standard of living of the poor in the kampongs and in the towns that we can counter the seductive blandish ments of communism.

To do this, we shall all have to make sacrifices.

The Federation of Malaya has gigantic natural resources and for that reason we must be prepared to give, and give freely, to our associates who are not at present in our happy position.

I have said this advisedly in case there ~- -~----~~----------------~ 353 23 OCTOBER 1961.
354 are any people who think the Federa tion is sponsoring a new regime to feather its own nest.

That is not the case.

At the same time, we are not entirely altruistic-merge we must, otherwise the Communists will pick us off, one by one, like plump rabbits.

I can assure Honourable Members that there is no altruism in communism.

In this country, we have always had personal freedom under colonial rule: not five years ago, we secured our political freedom as well.
Whatever happens, the Borneo territories will soon get their political freedom too.

But I suggest that, unless we combine our forces of construction, we may all lose our personal freedom and become sacrifices on the altar of that spurious political freedom which is the deceitful hallmark of communism.

Our good wishes and prayers will accompany our Prime Minister when he goes to London.

He will meet old friends there who have a high regard for his moderation and honesty of purpose.
I recollect that, during the talks on our own Merdeka, a British official in London stated that inde pendence would be given to Malaya "on a golden plate", and so it was.

I myself have no doubt but that this same golden plate will be taken out of storage on this occasion as well.

(Applause).
(Applause).

Enche' T. H. Tan: Mr. President, Sir, in rising to second the motion before the House, I feel that every citizen of Malaya will agree in principle with the concept of the Federation of Malaysia which will unite the Federation of Malaya with the Borneo territories of Sarawak.

Brunei, North Borneo.

The idea of such a federation is not new.


I recall having first heard of it in 1954, when Tunku Abdul Rahman, Tun Abdul Razak and I were in London to persuade the British Govern ment to give us an elected majority after the first elections in 1955.

At that time the Federation of Malaysia would have been premature.

Our own country was then only self-governing.


Nevertheless, the idea of a Federation of Malaysia with Singapore and the territories gained unofficial Borneo support from a large number of Members of the British Parliament.
then pre However, being ourselves occupied with our own struggle for constitutional progress aiming at full independence, we did not pursue the idea of the Federation of Malaysia; but the time has now come, Sir, for Malaya to help the areas still under British colonial rule in our immediate vicinity, namely the Borneo territories of Sarawak, Brunei and North Borneo to get independence through the process of forming the Federation of Malaysia.
the British policy of In view of aiding colonial to attain independence, tl;lis process should be comparatively simple especially so as the early misgivings felt in the Borneo territories have now given place to confidence in and even enthusiasm for the Federation of Malaysia plan.

There is every reason to believe that the Federation of Malaysia will enjoy economic political development such as prevailing in our own country to-day.
territories stability and Groups of public leaders from the Borneo territories who have visited Malaya have expressed admiration for her political stability, racial harmony and economic progress.

Well they can have all these by the simple process of joining the Federation of Malaysia.

I am sure this House will endorse our Prime Minister's assurance that under the Federation of Malaysia plan, Malaya will help the Borneo territories to gain independence.
The suggestion made elsewhere that under the plan we would colonise the Borneo territories is both irresponsible and unrealistic.

It is irresponsible because it is obviously designed to frighten the peoples of the Borneo is unrealistic because Malaya could not colonise the Borneo territories even if she wanted to-the existing colonial power would see to that.

territories.
territories.

It Mr. President, Sir, it is not difficult to picture the big arc of territories stretching from Perlis through Malaya, to North Borneo.

Sarawak, Brunei 355 23 OCTOBER 1961 356 This federation of autonomous States can exert a stabilising influence in this part of the globe and make a most useful contribution to world peace.

Perhaps the Federation of Malaysia, governed by a central Parliament, may well turn out to be one of the healthiest democracies in the world.
Before I leave this subject, I would like also to refer to the suggestion that the Federation of Malaysia should include Indonesia and the Philippines.

This is an unworthy suggestion, for which there is not even an iota of support from the two countries con cerned.

The suggestion came from politicians whose best efforts lie in the realm of fantasy.

is desirable Now, Sir, I turn to the proposed merger of the State of Singapore into the Federation.
Here, again, I dare say without fear of contradiction that merger is the popular desire of the peoples of Malaya and Singapore.

in principle Merger indeed it is even inevitable.

However, there are fundamental problems to solve.

Some of them are citizenship, educational policy, labour policy, the British bases and last, but not least, the communists.

We should not allow these problems to frighten us.


We should face the challenge squarely, and I am sure this House will want to give its unconditional support to the gallant efforts to Tunku Abdul Rahman to go to the aid of Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew, whose hasty, though perhaps unavoidable, choice between com munism and colonialism has brought about grave difficulties in Singapore to-day.
Tunku Abdul Rahman's experience of handling communists would be of great value to Premier Lee K uan Yew, and I am sure that with goodwill the two Premiers and the British Government can devise a working arrangement under which the merger of the State of Singapore into the Federation will be possible.

Sir, I make bold to offer a few thoughts on the problems that must be the merger · can be;: solved before accomplished.
The people of the Federation cherish their citizenship and will want to be assured that the merger would not reduce its status.

They will also want to be assured that everything will be done to prevent misuse of Federation passports by Singapore citizens.

in We here the Federation are uncompromising in our determination to create a Malayan nation through education.

We wonder whether the present Singapore Government's policy on education can contribute towards this end.
On the subject of British bases, we in the Federation are adamant that there must not be any bases here which by their nature will lay our country open to attack.

With regard to labour, my own view is that the present Singapore policy must be revamped so that capital can re-gain confidence.

On the subject of communists, I only need to give a reminder that in the Federation we have found that communists and nationalists cannot co-exist.
Mr. President, Sir, I hope this House will debate fully the proposal to create the a Federation of Malaysia and merger of Singapore into the Federation of Malaya.

I am confident that after the debate, this House will come to the only conclusion possible, namely, in this Senate fully approves that principle the Federation of Malaysia its un and the merger, and gives qualified support to our Prime Minister for his forthcoming talks in London.

(Applause).
(Applause).

Dato' E. E. C. Thuraisingham: Mr. President, Sir, Malaysia is a conception of great glamour.

I think that this is an event which is unique and unheard of in the history of this region.

Malaysia has created a great psychological revolution in the minds of the people in these territories and some see in this proposal a glorious era in ·the :JS7 23 OCTOBER 1961 and future; and some are perturbed.
that complicated many difficulties matters may take such shape which might not be acceptable hereafter.

However, all are in favour of a merger and welcome the national evolution of the people of this area who desire to have peace, security and prosperity in their territories.

We have read and heard many speeches by leaders in these territories.

I regret to say that though almost all welcome the merger, there has been no definite plan, or proposal, given by these leaders.
For instance, some leaders in Singapore in no uncertain their compatriots as subversives and revolu tionists.

They- tell you that they have a lot of bad boys in Singapore and yet in the same breath they invite you to merge with them and that then everything will be fine and happy thereafter-not a word about the tens of thousands of decent people that live in Singapore.
terms condemn Sir, we know how the Chinese in Singapore have the people of led Singapore and Malaya in culture, in industries, in banking and commerce.

The heritage of men like Sir Song Ong Siang, Dr. Lim Boon Keng and Sir Cheng Lock Tan, still lives in Singa pore.

Let us not forget, while we hear such violent few Singaporeans, that there are many in Singapore-men of great culture and integrity who would do their best to make this conception of Malaysia a success.
attacks on a I know that a Working Party is working out details and will report to us soon; but in a matter like this, of large territories, of many peoples.

involving the future of many genera there should be a central tions, committee composed of all political parties.

politicians, men representing professions, trade and banking, who should all be in this committee to discuss this very complicated and very important matter.
The money spent on this large Committee would be well spent and wo.uld create the goodwill that is very necessary.

In the realisation of Malaysia the Honourable the Prime Minister, some time ago, said that' he expected to realise Malaysia in ' 1en years, but now this idea is · gaining momentum and the Prime Minister is going to Londoo for consultations.

I to think security and on The question of military and naval bases will be one of the matters that have no would be discussed.
hesitation in saying that the Common wealth bases in Malaya have created a sense of security and given great prestige the this area.

I withdrawal of bases from Malaya will be a great economic and psychological calamity.

I hope when · the Prime Minister is in.

London, he will find a happy solution to this very important and vital question of bases.

Malaysia which is conceived on the foundation of mutual true democratic principles· will never fail.
It will grow in stature and will be a regional united nations organisation.

In this context I wish to .quote the famous dictum of Saint Augustin: "In veritate unitas, in dubie libertas, in omnibus charitas" -liberally translated it will be, "In essentials unity, in non-essentials things· liberty, goodwill."

This dictum of Saint Augus-· tin was quoted many years ago by• Sir Cecil Clementi when he spoke on the· future government of the Malay States.
the This dictum has brought Federation of Malaya a stable central Government, ft+eedorn to the individual and a nation dedicated to tolerance and loyalty.

It will not be out of place to suggest the Federation of Malaysia may well be founded on this dictum: "Unity in fundamenW matters, liberty il).

the ways of life of the individual and above all goodwill in all matters."

The motto of the F~eration of · Malaysia may be, and Goodwill."

"Unity, Liberty (Applause).

in ·all that to Dato' 01'.


<lleah Toon Lok: Mr. President, Sir, I rise to support in the concept of Greater principle Malaysia.

in othet.

words, a Federation of Pan-Malayan.

States; because these territories are related' in many ways to us.

The conception of bringing these territories tosefher, which have ethnic, 359.

23 OCTOBER 1961 360 cultural, economic· and .social affinities with us, in an historic conception.
We, who have just been granted freedom to rule ourselves have created such a desire in the hearts of others who have not been granted that freedom and with our experience in government will be a great help to those territories and to those people who are also our brothers.

But I hope that we shall not forget the great help we have had from what many called our colonial masters.
We have been their pupils; they have taught us many things-the love of freedom, the love of liberty, the rule of law and so on-and with our knowledge we shall also help those who are now under colonial tutelage, because our conception is only a means to an end, the means of bringing a happier, a larger, a greater life to the people of those regions.

We must not forget that we are not the only people who have got to be protected from predatory countries.
We must have our protection too; those people who have invested their great wealth in those territories also might desire to protect to their investments, and support Dato' Thuraisingham that consideration should be given to those people who want to defend the right of investment in those territories and we must go hand ·in hand with others who are our friends to .prevent our predatory enemies from seizing those territories which are coming to merge with us.

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The question of Singapore is a question of power, and as my learned friend Dato' Thuraisingham has said, there are people there of great culture possessing great traditions, of immense ~nowledge in banking and commerce who will be of gre11t help also to us, and I hope that one historic day the merger will the territories of Borneo, Brunei and Sarawak their liberties will be granted, as our Tun Leong Yew J{oh has said, Qn.

a golden plate.
a golden plate.

succeed and I wish for · Enche' Da Abdul Ja61 bin Haji Awang: Tuari Yang di-Pertua, masa alah Gabongan Melayu Raya ada-lab satu soal yang besar.

Tuan Yang di P.ertua, .· dalam ranchatrgan · .

Melayu Raya yang di-ranchangkan oleh ·Yang Berhormat Perdana Menteri kita, saya nampak ada-lab berdasarkan kapada "Artificial Division" yang di-buat oleh pehak penjajah.

Kalau-lah keterangan daripada Leader Dewan ini menyata.
rumpun kan bahawa perhubongan bangsa, perhubongan kebudayaan dan lain2-nya itu di-jadikan asas bagi pergabongan antara Malaya, Singapora, Sarawak dan kawasan2 Borneo Utara, maka nyata-lah bahawa asas alasan itu tentu-lah Melayu Raya itu lebeh besar dan lebeh luas kawasan-nya.

juga Indonesia dan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita meng etahui: bahawa di-masa ini kita telah pun mengadakan satu jawatan-kuasa untok menyatukan ejaan antara Malaya dengan ada perhubongan dalam kebudayaan.
Ini bererti bahawa perhubongan kita dengan Indonesia itu ada-lab rapat sa-kali dan mungkin besar dalam sa-buah ranchangan Melayu Raya kalau-lah Melayu Raya yang di-chadangkan ini termasok juga kawasan kepulauan Melayu maka itu ada-lah lebeh baik lagi.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, nama kawasan sendiri membuktikan asal-nya Melayu--Gugusan ke-Pulauan Melayu.

Jadi apa-kah erti-nya nama Gugusan ke-Pulauan Melayu itu kalau ia terpisah daripada kita?
mendirikan bahawa itu satu yang Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita berjuang untok menjadikan satu bangsa yang kuat.

besar, bangsa Maka ada-kah dengan ranchangan Melayu Raya yang di-chadangkan oleh Yang Berhormat Perdana Menteri itu maka kita telah menjadi satu bangsa yang besar?

Sedang pendudok-nya sadikit sa-kali.


Tetapi kalau-lah betul2 kita mahu menjadi satu bangsa yang besar di-Tenggara Asia maka mesti-lah kawasan2 yang meliputi Gugusan ke Pulauan Melayu itu di-chantumkan dalam chadangan Melayu Raya yang kita kehendaki itu baharu-lah erti-nya kita menjadi satu bangsa yang besar dalam Tenggara Asia ini.
Engku Muhsein bin Abdul Kadlr: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pepatah Melayu ada berkata, "Berjalan dahulu baharu berlari atim pun dudok·dahulu-bahafu 361' 23 OCI'OBER 1961 362 berlunjor".

Maka bagitu-lah juga saya merasa dalam perkara Melayu Raya ini mustahak-lah sangat kita berdasar kan ranchangan ini dari sa-tangga ka-satangga dan berdasarkan pada keadaan2 yang ada terjadi pada hari ini.
Dan oleh kerana itu-lah walau pun pada masa dahulu rumpun Melayu itu terdiri daripada, bukan sahaja negeri2 yang di-ranchangkan ini, tetapi Indonesia dan Philippines, tetapi keadaan2 itu ada-lab berubah dari masa ka-masa sama ada oleh penja jahan atau pun oleh sebab yang tertentu menyebabkan keadaan itu tidak boleh kembali.
Saya perchaya dengan keadaan2 yang ada pada hari ini di-mana perubahan kebudayaan, pentadbiran, iktisad dan juga chara mata-wang-nya, maka ranchangan mengadakan satu perchantuman antara sa-buah kawasan yang sama dalam perkara2 ini ada-lab satu chara yang lebeh menasabah, realistic, dan perektic daripada berangan2 "Sa-bagai Mat Jenin" yang mengharapkan mendapat satu benda dari kayangan.
Saya rasa tujuan kita hendak menchipta Melayu Raya yang terdiri daripada 11 buah negeri termasok Singapura, Brunai, Borneo Utara dan Sarawak ada-lab satu chita2, satu tujuan yang chukup berdasarkan kapada keadaan yang ada pada hari ini, dan bukan-lah satu chita2 yang hanya dengan chita2 sahaja yang hanya chakap sahaja tetapi tidak dapat di-laksanakan.
Apa-lah guna-nya kita memakai dasar hidong ta' manchong, pipi tersorong2, kerana saya tidak pernah mendengar pada masa ada orang dari ini, mithal-nya, Indonesia atau Philippines hendak berchantum dengan kita, maka apa sebab kita ini saperti anak dara ta' laku menghanipkan pinangan daripada orang.
Memada'i-lah dahulu dengan keadaan kita pada hari ini selesaikan di-antara kita sa-sama kita; kerana dengan bertambah-nya beberapa buah negeri itu banyak kerja yang kita hendak buat dan banyak perkara yang hendak di selesaikan.

Dengan chara itu, saya rasa, mari-lah kita fikir dan membinchang kan sa.suatu perkara yang kita ·boleh boat.

bukan chara angan2.
bukan chara angan2.

that this Motion when Dato' Sheikh Abu Dakar: Mr. President, Sir, I rise here to support the motion as proposed by the Honour able the Minister of Justice just now.

After having heard all the explanations and speeches given by the Honourable Members of this House, I have a feeling it materialises would certainly be a step further in regard to our independence which was obtained about four years ago.
At the present moment we all know that all the States to be com prised in Malaysia pursue their affairs separately and according to their whims and fancies.
But with the birth of inconsistencies and Malaysia differences between us all will certainly and gradually disappear and that the time will come when we shall have a Malaysia so strongly united and concrete that no outside interference will dare to intervene in our private and domestic affairs, or anyone to attempt to infiltrate its doubtful ele ments into our Malaysia.
these the Sir, idea of I support the Honourable Dato' Thuraisingham, when he stated just now that it would be wrong for the Singapore base to be withdrawn.

The world now, Sir; is living on its edge, if I may say so, and a serious explosion might occur at any moment and anywhere.

For instance, Sir, let us consider the issues on Laos, the Congo and also many other countries-all these places might explode at any moment and mankind will go against one another in mutual destruction.
Sir, I take it that in order to prevent such happenings as this our Prime Minister Y.T.M.

Tunku Abdul Rahman conceived the idea of Malaysia comprising the Bornean States and also Singapore.

We all see ·that support came from all places and from their important people and the leaders of the people there.

From Singapore we have the personality of Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew, from Borneo we have from one Donald Stephens, Sarawak we have Mr. Ong Kee Hui and Dato' Mustapha bin Harun.
All these people know what they are talking about with regar.d· to -the :affairs in their countries.

and ~--~--- ---·-·~ - - -~ 363 23 OCTOBER 1961 364 However, Sir, with your permission, what happened when the resolution came to the Lower House some days ago?

Some of the Opposition Members started to voice their opposition giving unreasonable reasons against the good intention of our Prime Minister.
They that Singapore were contemplating and would have refused merger eventual Malaysia, but when their opinions did not materialise they had no alternative but to drop their wrath and hurled mud slinging on the Singapore Prime Minister.
Sir, I am not here to judge whether the Singapore Prime Minister Mr. Lee Kuan Yew is a pro-Communist, right or left, but I am definitely ·sure that he is sincere that his State of in his Singapore should merge with the Federation for her stability, existence and improvement.

intention Lastly, Sir, I am happy to state here that one of the Independent Members, the Honourable Member for Seremban, Timor, said inter alia in the Lower House that Singapore has a better claim than Penang to join the Federa tion.
He added that Singapore was closer to the Federation.

Sir, with your permission I go a little further than the Honourable Member.

I say that Singapore is not only closer to the Federation but that once upon a time Singapore belonged to Johore which is now a unit of the Federation.

I am using the past tense and I · am sorry I cannot use the present tense.
I say so because it is well known in history and in constitutional development that it was in 1824, following an agreement which was first negotiated by Sir Stamford Rafiles in 1819 that a Treaty of Friendship and Alliance was concluded between Their Highnesses the Sultan and the Temenggong of Johore and the East India Company by virtue of which the Island of Singapore was ceded to the Honourable the English East India Company.
A few years later the East India Com pany was dissolved by an Act of the British Parliament and Singapore among others ~ame a Crown Colony.

Mr. Prtsident: Penang too was part of Kedah.

Dato' Sheikh Abu Dakar: Yes, Sir.

I say "among others".


Now, Sir, as our Yang Teramat Mulia Prime Minister said in the Lower House, "times have changed and so must be our outlook" and it was I believe, Sir, on this idea and also on the fact that there was link between Singapore and the Federation that he and the Prime Minister of Singapore came the to question of merger and eventual Malaysia.
such an obvious terms on Sir, lastly, I would say that when Malaysia co~es into existence, it will no doubt brighten our name not only throughout the Far East but also throughout the world.

I support the motion.

(Applause).

Enche' Abdul Hamid bin Mahmud: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya dengan berbesar hati berdiri memberi sokongan ranchangan Melayu penoh kapada Raya, Tunku Perdana Menteri.
Ranchangan ini ada-lab satu racha ngan yang sangat penting, ranchangan yang bersejarah bagi negeri kita Tanah Melayu dan bersejarah kapada negeri2 yang akan bersatu menjadi Melayu ini sunggoh Raya itu.

Ranchangan di-banggakan kerana jika berjaya ranchangan tentu-lah Sarawak, Brunai dan Borneo akan merdeka.

Ketiga2 negeri lambat ini hendak mendapat kemerdekaan kalau tidak bersatu dengan negeri kita atau memasoki Melayu Raya itu.
tentu-lah ini Singapura pada masa ini sa-buah negeri yang berperentahan sendiri tetapi peranan-nya hendak menuju kemerdekaan tentu-lah lambat negeri itu dapat kalau tidak bersatu dengan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu terlebeh dahulu.

Bagitu keadaan Perlembagaan ketiga2 negeri itu ber lainan dengan keadaan negeri kita.
Dengan ada-nya Melayu Raya ini kita perchaya akan dapat negeri2 yang tersebut itu menjauhkan diri daripada perkembangan komunis, kerana apa bila negeri2 itu bersatu maka dapat·lah di-jalankan pembangunan luar bandar juga-lab ------~------------------------ 365 23 OCfOBER 1961 366 sa-bagaimana yang ada di-negeri ini yang boleh meninggikan taraf hidup ra'ayat.

Apabila taraf hidup ra'ayat nya tinggi dan negeri-nya ma'amor dan aman faham sentosa niaka komunis akan di-sekat daripada masok ka-dalam negeri2 itu.
Kepujian harus kita beri kapada Perdana Menteri kita kerana dengan fikiran-nya itu kita berharap berjaya maksud akan ranchangan Melayu Raya ini.

luar negeri kita Concept Melayu Raya Tunku ini ada-lab sa-suai dengan Perlembangaan kita kerana Perlembagaan kita memang membukakan kapada mana2 negeri yang mahu masok bersekutu dengan negeri ini.

Bagitu juga sa-suai dengan dasar ia-itu kita memperjuangkan kerana hendak me merdekakan negeri2 yang maseh di jajah.
Ini satu kejayaan perjuangan kita, perjuangan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu menghapuskan penjajahan.

Tiga empat buah negeri ini -akan hapus daripada penjajahan apabila bersekutu dalam Melayu Raya.

Tujuan besar Melayu Raya ini ia-lah menentang menghapus kan penjajahan.

Bukan tujuan kita mengadakan Melayu Raya bersatu dengan empat buah negeri ini kerana hendak bersekutu atau menyatu-padu kan negeri yang mempunyai sama kebudayaan.
Indonesia, Philippines memang asal di-katakan satu rumpun, termasok pulau Papua bagitu (New Guinea), di-selurok negeri ini di-diami oleh orang2 Melayu.

Bukan tujuan kita mana2 negeri yang di diami oleh orang2 Melayu, kita hendak masokkan dalam Melaya Raya.

Kalau kita tengok kapada negeri Arab di-sana beberapa buah negeri yang pendudok nya sama bangsa, sama bahasa, tetapi mempunyai Kerajaan2 yang berlainan.
Bagitu juga jikalau sa-kira-nya kita hendak masokkan Indonesian dan Philippines dalam gabongan Melayu Raya, ini saolah2-nya negeri itu negeri yang boleh di-tarek .

masok, pada hal negeri2 yang berdaulat tidak boleh kita bahathkan dalam Majlis kita ini.
juga Ada fikiran daripada parti2 lain yang suka hendak menyatukan semua negeri2 _ yang di-diami oleh orang2 ini Melayu dalam Tenggara : Asia supaya menjadi satu negeri yang ber gabong dengan Melayu Raya, tetapi mereka itu tinggal tidak menyebutkan kawasan negeri yang ia dudok ber sahabat dengan kita yang di-diami oleh orang2 Melayu.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam dunia ini memang ban.yak negeri2 yang ada mempunyai satu bahasa tetapi lain Kerajaan dan ada negeri2 yang tetapi ada beberapa satu bangsa, negara.
Mithal-nya dalam negeri India, Yugoslavia, Canada, Australia dan United Kingdom mempunyai satu bahasa yang di-pakai dalam negeri itu, tetapi mempunyai Kerajaan2 yang lain.

Dengan sebab itu, tidak-lah harus bagi kita dalam menimbangkan pertubohan Melayu Raya ini hendak memasokkan negeri2 yang lain daripada apa yang di-chadangkan.
ini Berkenaan dengan Singapura ada ahli2 politik dalam Dewan juga ia-itu pemimpim2 daripada Ra'ayat, parti lain memikirkan bahawa patut lah Singapura merdeka lebeh dahulu, dengan mengadakan pilehan raya dahulu dan sa-lepas itu baharu-lah ra'ayat menentukan hendak-lah tidak bersekutu dengan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu.

Fikiran ini saya perchaya fikiran yang sa-suai dengan fikiran yang tidak mahukan negeri itu bersekutu dengan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu.
jalan Dan dengan tentu-lah perkembangan fahaman Communist dalam negeri itu akan dapat bergerak dengan tidak ada halangan apa pun.

itu dapat Jika sa-kira-nya negeri pemerentahan-nya daripada Commu nist, maka penyakit dalam negeri itu tentu-lah akan meresap kapada kita semua.
J adi jalan hendak mengelakkan Singapura daripada pengaroh fahaman tidak ada Communist lain, melainkan ia-nya bersatu dengan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu, dan apa itu bersekutu dengan bila negeri saya Persekutuan Tanah Melayu, berharap pada satu masa kelak dapat lah Kerajaan kita, atau pun Malaysia pada masa itu memikirkan berkenaan dengan kedudokan tentera British atau pengkalan tentera British yang ada sekarang.. jalan · 367 23 OCTOBER 1961 368 Persekutuan Tanah Melayu telah terkenal di-seluroh dunia ini sa-bagai satu negeri yang menentang fahaman Communist.
maka dengan ada-nya Malaysia besok tentu-lah Iebeh kuat lagi kita akan berkehendakkan tentera kita.

Jadi pada masa itu tidak-Iah mustahak jikalau Kerajaan British hendak mengekalkan pengkalan tentera Singapura sa-bagaimana yang ada pada hari ini untok mempertahankan negeri2 jatoh ka-pengaroh di-sini daripada Communist.
Ini pun satu daripada langkah yang akan dapat menguntong kan kapada ra'ayat negeri ini supaya kuasa2 luar negeri esok menarek balek tentera2-nya daripada kedudokan-nya di-Singapura, dan pada masa itu dapat Iah kita susunkan tentera kita yang akan mengawal negara kita supaya dapat anak negeri kita sendiri memberi tenaga mereka untok mempertahankan negara mereka sendiri.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berseru kapada Dewan ini supaya memberi sokongan penoh, mudah2an ranchangan Melayu Raya Tunku Perdana Menteri itu akan berjaya.

(Tepok).
Enche' Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak hendak memberi uchapan yang panjang dalam masa'alah ini, tetapi saya menyo kong dasar bagi mengadakan Melayu Raya yang di-chadangkan oleh Perdana Menteri kita itu, dan sudah kena-lah pada tempat-nya sa-kira-nya Dewan ini mengambil sa-bulat kata memberi sokongan yang sa-penoh-nya supaya Perdana Menteri kita waktu pemergian akan mendapat nya mandate daripada kedua2 Dewan ia-itu Dewan Ra'ayat dan Dewan Negara yang ahli2-nya daripada berbagai2 parti, dan ini berma'ana ra'ayat yang telah memberi sokongan kapada-nya bagi berunding dengan Perdana Menteri British untok menjayakan chita2 ini.
ka-London Saya suka hendak menerangkan satu kejadian yang berlaku dalam Dewan Ra'ayat yang mana sa-orang wakil daripada Kelantan ada menyebutkati dalam Dewan itu menyatakan sesal nya kerana Malaya ini mendapat kemerdekaan pada tahun 1957.

Wakil ini ia-lah orang yang datang daripada Seberang Prai, · tetapi bertanding .

di negeri Kelantan.

Saya perchaya waktu tahun 1957 itu wakil itu tidak ada di-Kelantan dan ia tidak mengetahui benar-nya perasaan ra'ayat Kelantan mahukan merdeka tahun 1957 itu.
Jadi itu ia datang ka-Dewan Ra'ayat menyatakan kesal-nya, kerana men dapat kemerdekaan tahun 1957.

Saya rasa itu bukan-lah kehendak dan perasaan ra'ayat Kelantan barangkali, tetapi nasib-lah saya tidak ada dalam Dewan Ra'ayat, kalau saya ada saya panggil dia supaya ia mengemukakan perkara itu kapada ra'ayat Kelantan dan saya mengemukakan perasaan ra'ayat Kelantan supaya kita dapat mengetahui sa-benar-nya.
dengan Tetapi saya rasa nasib saya tidak ada di-dalam Dewan Ra'ayat, saya ada dalam Dewan Negara ini yang mana tempat ia ta' boleh menjawab pertanya an saya itu.

Jadi, untok menghapuskan kekeliruan ramai boleh-lah di-katakan tahun 1957 kita mendapat dalam kemerdekaan dengan kemahuan ra'ayat seluroh-nya.

bukan sahaja dari negeri Kelantan tetapi seluroh Tanah Melayu.
Tidak ada ra'ayat yang sa-orang merasa kesal atau sesal mendapat itu kemerdekaan yang kita dapat terutama-nya negeri Kelantan yang pada masa itu ra'ayat penoh menyo kong kemerdekaan itu.

Sa-lain daripada itu, saya nampak parti yang menentang dan parti yang mempunyai wakil dalam Dewan Ra'ayat ia-lah Parti Islam sa-Tanah Melayu yang menentang chadangan itu.

Mereka me Perdana Menteri nentang dengan kerana mereka berkata mereka mahu kapada bukit tidak mahu kapada busut.
Mereka mahu kapada rumah tidak mahu kapada bilek.

Tetapi kita beri satu tangga untok mereka jaga negeri Kelantan dan Trengganu mereka tidak terjaga.

Macham mana mereka mahukan rumah?

Tangga pun ta' hendak di ini patut menjadi betulkan.

pelajaran, patut menjadi ingatan kapa da mereka, jangan-lah mahu kapada rumah, nanti di-beri rumah.

rumah runtoh di-atas tanah, ta' boleh dudok ingatan atas rumah.
Patut menjadi kapada mereka itu supaya sedar dan Jadi 369 23 OCfOBER 1961 370 faham dalam mengenali diri sendiri, dalam menjalankan segala apa chita2 supaya tidak-lah kita mempermainkan politik ini kapada theory sahaja, tetapi kita mempermainkan politik negeri kita ini dengan sa-chara prektek, benda yang kita boleh lakukan, benda yang kita boleh buat supaya dapat-lah negeri kita ini mempunyai: nama yang harum bukan sahaja di-negeri kita ini bahkan di-seluroh dunia ini.
this House on The Deputy Prime Minister (Tun Abdul Razak): Mr. President, Sir, I have listened with considerable interest to the views expressed by Honourable this Members of important proposal of Malaysia by our Prime Minister, and on his behalf, as well as on behalf of the Government, I should like to say that we are indeed grateful to Honourable Members of this House who have given this motion on the concept of Malaysia such understanding and such support.
As the Prime Minister has told the Lower House-the House of Representatives this concept of Malaysia is not a new thing and, indeed, this matter had been in his mind for a considerable time.

followed a different As Honourable Members are aware before this concept can be brought to realisation, there are many problems to be overcome.

First, of course, there is the territory of Singapore which, though very close to us and has many links with us, has for a considerable time line of development.
Therefore, before these two territories can be brought more closely together there are many prob is why lems to be resolved.

That at present there is a Working Party appointed by the two Governments the various which problems and it is hoped that the report of the Working Party will be availablt:; soon for consideration both in the House of Representatives and this House.
As the Prime Minister had explained to the House of Representa tives, he would welcome constructive suggestions from all political parties, from associations, from individuals, from Members of Parliament and from all those who have interest in the examining is resolved and welfare of this country at heart.

As I have said, there are many problems to be therefore we welcome suggestions from whichever side or whichever party organisation.
Therefore, in view of that, to my mind, there is no need-at least at present to appoint a central working committee consisting of such large membership as suggested by the Honourable Dato' Thuraisingham.

The Government, as I have said, would be prepared to consider views and suggestions from anyone and from any organisation, and I can assure this House that what ever views expressed on this very important matter would be given very, very careful consideration by the Government.
Now, Sir, in addition to Singapore we have also to consider these three territories-North Borneo, Brunei and Sarawak.

These territories present different problems from Singapore.

These territories have not advanced very much in the way of self-govern ment.
They have not had elections, and, therefore, the question of bringing them as units of Malaysia will present different problems from that of Singa pore, but I would like to reiterate in this House-as the Prime Minister has said in the House of Representatives that we will not do anything against the wishes of the people of those territories and if those territories wish to join the Federation of Malaysia it will only be in accordance with the wishes of the people of those territories.
Lastly, Sir, we have also to consider the British Government, who have responsibility for Singapore as well as the three Borneo territories.
That is why, as there are matters to be resolved with the the British Government, Prime Minister proposes to have talks with the British Prime Minister soon; and I hope that the various problems could be resolved at top level dis cussion in London and I can assure this House the support that this House has given to this concept of Malaysia through the motion standing before this House will certainly fortify the 371 23 OCfOBER 1961 372 Prime Minister and Members of the Cabinet in bringing to realization this very important concept of Malaysia which will mean so much to the future happiness, peace and prosperity of the people of these territories.
(Applause).

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That this House agreeing in principle with the concept of Malaysia comprising the eleven States of the Federation, the States of Singapore and Brunei and the territories of North Borneo and Sarawak, in endorses the Government's initiative taking action for its realization, the progress of which will be reported to the House by the Honourable the Prime Minister from time to time.
ADJOURNMENT SINE DIE Tun Leong Yew Koh: I beg to move that the House do now adjourn sine die.

Enche' T. H. Tan: I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.

Adjourned sine die at 4.00 p.m.