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Volume V No.

3 Tuesday, 28th May, 1963 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) OFFICIAL REPORT CONTENTS ANNOUNCEMENT BY Mr SPEAKER [Col. 343] MOTION: The Yang di-Pertuan Agong's Speech—Address of Thanks [Cols.
345; 396] EXEMPTED BUSINESS (Motion) [Col. 396] DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, A.M.N., PENCHETAK KERAJAAN KUALA LUMPUR 1963 FEDERATION OF MALAYA DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) Official Report Fifth Session of the First Dewan Ra'ayat Tuesday, 28th May, 1963 The House met at Ten o'clock a.m.
PRESENT: The Honourable Mr Speaker, DATO' HAJI MOHAMED NOAH BIN OMAR, S.P.M.J., D.P.M.B., P.I.S., J.P. the Prime Minister, Minister of External Affairs and Minister of Information and Broadcasting, Y.T.M.

TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M.

(Kuala Kedah).

the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence and Minister of Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N.

(Pekan).
(Pekan).

the Minister of Internal Security and Minister of the Interior, DATO' DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N.

(Johor Timor).

the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' TAN SIEW SIN, J.P. (Melaka Tengah).

the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, DATO' V. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N.

(Sungei Siput).

the Minister of Transport, DATO' HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N.

(Pontian Utara).

the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, ENCHE' MOHAMED KHIR BIN JOHARI (Kedah Tengah).
the Minister of Labour and Social Welfare, ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah).

the Minister of Health, ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB (Kuantan).

the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan).

the Minister of Education, TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT A LI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang).

the Assistant Minister of the Interior, ENCHE' CHEAH THEAM SWEE (Bukit Bintang).
the Assistant Minister of Labour and Social Welfare, ENCHE' V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K.

(Klang).

the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara).

the Assistant Minister of Information and Broadcasting, ENCHE' MOHAMED ISMAIL BIN MOHAMED YUSOF (Jerai).

339 28 MAY 1963 340 The Honourable ENCHE' ABDUL AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Kuala Langat).

ENCHE' ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N.

(Melaka Utara).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAUF BIN A. RAHMAN, P.J.K.

(Krian Laut).
(Krian Laut).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSSIN (Lipis).

ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN OSMAN (Sungei Patani).

TOH MUDA HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI ABDUL RAOF (Kuala Kangsar).

TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD.

SALLEH, A.M.N., P.I.S, (Segamat Utara).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kota Bharu Hilir).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N.

(Muar Utara).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN MOHAMED SHAH, S.M.J.

(Johor Bahru Barat).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAAID (Seberang Utara).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN HAJI YUSOF, P.J.K.

(Krian Darat).
(Krian Darat).

TUAN HAJI AZAHARI BIN HAJI IBRAHIM (Kubang Pasu Barat).

ENCHE' AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam).

ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N.

(Kluang Selatan).

ENCHE' CHAN SIANG SUN (Bentong).

ENCHE' CHAN SWEE HO (Ulu Kinta).

ENCHE' CHAN YOON ONN (Kampar).

ENCHE' CHIN SEE YIN (Seremban Timor).

ENCHE' GEH CHONG KEAT (Penang Utara).

ENCHE' HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N.

(Kapar).

ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD.

YUNUS, A.M.N.

(Kulim Utara).

ENCHE' HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Baling).


ENCHE' HARUN BIN PILUS (Trengganu Tengah).

ENCHE' HASSAN BIN MANSOR (Melaka Selatan).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN T O' MUDA HASSAN (Raub).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN MOHD.

NOORDIN, A.M.N., P J .

K. (Parit).

TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN (Kota Bharu Hulu).

ENCHE' IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah).

ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan).

ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN HAJI KASSIM (Kuala Trengganu Selatan).

ENCHE' KANG KOCK SENG (Batu Pahat).


ENCHE' K. KARAM SINGH (Damansara).

ENCHE' KHONG KOK YAT (Batu Gajah).

ENCHE' LEE SAN CHOON (Kluang Utara).

ENCHE' LEE SECK FUN (Tanjong Malim).

ENCHE' L EE SIOK Y E W, A.M.N.

(Sepang).

ENCHE' L IM JOO KONG, J.P. (Alor Star).

ENCHE' L IM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat).

ENCHE' L IU YOONG PENG (Rawang).

ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson).

341 28 MAY 1963 342 The Honourable ENCHE' MOHAMED BIN UJANG (Jelebu-Jempol).

ENCHE' MOHAMED ABBAS BIN AHMAD (Hilir Perak).


ENCHE' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA (Pasir Puteh).

ENCHE' MOHAMED NOR BIN MOHD.

DAHAN (Ulu Perak).

DATO' MOHAMED HANIFAH BIN HAJI ABDUL GHANI, P.J.K.

(Pasir Mas Hulu).

TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Pedis Selatan).

NIK MAN BIN N IK MOHAMED (Pasir Mas Hilir).

ENCHE' NG ANN TECK (Batu).

ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Tanah Merah).

ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Perlis Utara).

TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD.

SAID (Rembau-Tampin).


ENCHE' SEAH TENG NGIAB (Muar Pantai).

ENCHE' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM (Menglembu).

TUAN SYED ESA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.MJ., P.I.S.

(Batu Pahat Dalam).

TUAN SYED HASHIM BIN SYED AJAM, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Sabak Bernam).

TUAN SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, J.M.N.

(Johor Tenggara).

ENCHE' TAJUDIN BIN A L I, P.J.K.

(Larut Utara).

ENCHE' TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan).

ENCHE' TAN TYE CHEK (Kulim-Bandar Bahru).

TENGKU BESAR INDRA RAJA IBNI AL-MARHUM SULTAN IBRAHIM, D.K., P.M.N.

(Ulu Kelantan).
(Ulu Kelantan).

ENCHE' TOO JOON HING (Telok Anson).

ENCHE' V. VEERAPPEN (Seberang Selatan).

WAN SULAIMAN BIN WAN TAM, P.J.K.

(Kota Star Selatan).

WAN YAHYA BIN HAJI WAN MOHAMED (Kemaman).

ENCHE' YAHYA BIN HAJI AHMAD (Bagan Datoh).

ENCHE' YEOH TAT BENG (Bruas).

ENCHE' YONG WOO MING (Sitiawan).

PUAN HAJJAH ZAIN BINTI SULAIMAN, J.M.N., P.I.S.

(Pontian Selatan).

TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD.

TAIB (Langat).

ENCHE' ZULKIFLEE BIN MUHAMMAD (Bachok).


ABSENT: The Honourable the Minister without Portfolio, DATO' SULEIMAN BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N.

(Muar Selatan).

the Minister without Portfolio, DATO' ONG YOKE LIN, P.M.N.

(Ulu Selangor).

ENCHE' AHMAD BOESTAMAM (Setapak).

DR BURHANUDDIN BIN MOHD.

NOOR (Besut).

ENCHE' V. DAVID (Bungsar).

DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N.

(Jitra-Padang Terap).

343 28 MAY 1963 344 The Honourable TUAN HAJI HASAN ADLI BIN HAJI ARSHAD (Kuala Trengganu Utara).
TUAN HAJI HASSAN BIN HAJI AHMAD (Tumpat).

CHE' KHADUAH BINTI MOHD.

SIDEK (Dungun).

ENCHE' MOHAMED DAHARI BIN HAJI MOHD.

A LI (Kuala Selangor).

ENCHE' MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N.

(Temerloh).

ENCHE' QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Barat).

ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh).

ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka).

ENCHE' TAN PHOCK K IN (Tanjong).

DATO' TEOH CHZE CHONG, D.P.M.J., J.P. (Segamat Selatan).

WAN MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI A LI (Kelantan Hilir).


IN ATTENDANCE: The Honourable the Minister without Portfolio, ENCHE' KHAW KAI-BOH, P.J.K.

PRAYERS (Mr Speaker in the Chair) ANNOUNCEMENT BY MR SPEAKER Mr Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, hari ini ia-lah hari akhir, ia-itu hari yang ketiga pada membahathkan usul berkenaan dengan Titah Duli Yang Maha Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda Yang di-Pertuan Agong pada Parlimen.
Di-dalam perbahathan dua hari ini banyak-lah perkara2 telah timbul yang di-bahathkan oleh Ahli2 Yang Berhor mat 'am-nya dan khas-nya daripada pehak2 Pembangkang.

Maka dengan sebab itu saya perchaya dan mustahak dan menjadi wajib pada pehak2 Ke- ia-itu Yang Berhormat menterian, Menteri2, akan menjawab segala per kara2 yang di-bangkitkan di-dalam per bahathan ini.
Maka oleh memandang- kan masa-nya sangat suntok dan hari ini-lah hari yang penghabisan, saya terpaksa merayu kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang hendak berchakap pada pagi ini supaya berchakap sa- berapa pendek, dan kalau boleh, jangan-lah di-ulang2kan perkara2 yang telah di-sebut2 di-dalam perbahathan dua hari dahulu.

Maka dengan jalan itu sahaja-lah dapat saya memberi pe luang—kerana saya suka hendak beri peluang—kapada tiap2 Ahli yang hen dak berchakap boleh dapat masa ber chakap pada pagi ini.
Itu-lah sahaja yang saya hendak chakapkan.

Saya merayu-lah kapada Ahli2 Yang Ber hormat berchakap lebeh pendek dan tepat atas maudzo' yang ada ini.

Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad (Bachok): Satu rayuan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.
Oleh kerana masa yang di- untokkan tiga hari itu telah di-gunakan 2 1/2 jam membahath perkara cholera, dapat-kah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, me- mikirkan supaya persidangan ini di- ini bagi pada malam lanjutkan membolehkan peluang sadikit waktu bagi Ahli2 Yang Berhormat mengemukakan fikiran mereka?
lagi Mr Speaker: Saya suka menarek perhatian Ahli Majlis ini ia-itu ada tersebut dalam Standing Rules and Orders, kalau kita tempohkan Majlis ini dalam dua jam, Tuan Speaker boleh—dia kata "may" dia tidak kata "shall"; kalau tuan2 bacha Standing Order itu dia kata boleh memberi lanjut masa-nya perbahathan itu sa- lama masa yang di-ambil kerana mem bahathkan atas perkara2 yang tertentu yang telah di-persetujukan supaya di- tempohkan Majlis ini.

Saya telah ber- fikir panjang dalam perkara ini.


Tetapi lebeh dahulu daripada saya menetap- kan sama ada kita akan berbahath lagi sa-lepas pukul 6.30 petang ini, saya akan beritahu kelak sa-lepas saya ber- meshuarat dengan pehak Kerajaan.
345 28 MAY 1963 346 MOTION THE YANG DI-PERTUAN AGONG'S SPEECH Address of Thanks Order read for resumption of debate on Question: "That an humble Address be presented to His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong as follows: 'Your Majesty, We, the Speaker and Members of the the Federation of Dewan Ra'ayat of Malaya in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer Your Majesty our humble thanks for the Gracious Speech with which the Fifth Session of Parliament has been opened.
'"; with amendment by Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad to delete the full-stop and add at following the end words: the "but regrets that the Gracious Speech does not mention specific and effective steps and plans to assist Malays in commerce and Industry and does not specify the efforts and plans of His Majesty's Government to wipe out colonialism in the four Malay provinces in Southern Thailand by peaceful means."
kerana sa-bagaimana Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah (Kota Bharu Hilir): Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya hendak berchakap di- dalam perkara buroh dan saya telah terangkan bahawa Kerajaan Perikatan telah tidak menunaikan janji2-nya ter- hadap orang2 Melayu di-dalam perkara kete- buroh rangan2 yang telah di-jelaskan bahawa orang2 Melayu di-kampong2 hingga sampai sekarang ini maseh menghadapi kehidupan di-dalam azab dan sangsara kerana tidak mendapat pekerjaan.
Se karang saya akan berchakap di-dalam perkara Trade and Commerce ia-itu berkenaan dengan perdagangan dan perusahaan ia-lah satu perkara yang sangat penting bagi sa-suatu bangsa yang hendak hidup maju di-dalam dunia ini, tetapi di-dalam lapangan ini di-dapati orang2 Melayu kita sangat2 mundor.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita maseh ingat lagi bahawa Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku Abdul Rahman di-dalam Dewan yang mulia ini pada tahun yang lalu tatkala menjawab wakil Ipoh ber- uchap bahawa orang2 Melayu mem- kapada punya'i kelemahan di-dalam perdaga ngan dan perusahaan dan pekerjaan bahkan sa-ratus peratus perdagangan dan perusahaan di-dalam negeri ini di-punyai oleh bangsa2 asing.
Te tapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apa-kah langkah yang concrete yang telah di- buat oleh Kerajaan Perikatan untok menolong orang2 Melayu dalam baha- gian ini?

Saya rasa sampai sekarang ini belum ada lagi satu langkah yang boleh di-tunjokkan kapada ra'ayat bahawa yang Kerajaan Perikatan telah menjalankan kewajipan-nya.
Chuma kita dapati, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ke rajaan sa-lama ini melantek satu komiti dari masa ka-samasa untok menye- lidekki di-atas soal ini, tetapi apa-kah yang sudah di-buat-nya—nampak-nya tidak satu apa pun yang boleh di- ra'ayat.

Orang2 tunjokkan Melayu kemundoran mereka dalam perkara perusahaan dan perdagangan sa-bagaimana saya terangkan kelmarin terdiri daripada dua sebab, pertama kerana tidak ada modal atau capital, kedua experiences atau pengalaman.
Ini-lah dua perkara sebab-nya yang telah menjatohkan orang2 Melayu di- dalam medan perdagangan dan peru apa-kah Kerajaan sahaan.

Tetapi Perikatan tindakan telah mengambil untok hendak menolong orang Melayu di-dalam dua segi ini?

Kita tahu be- berapa banyak ahli2 perdagangan dan perusahaan orang2 Melayu meminta pinjaman wang daripada Malayan In dustrial Development Fund, tetapi per- mintaan itu di-tolak.
Perkara ini saya telah bangkitkan di-dalam Rumah ini, tetapi buat bangsa asing bank2 dalam Tanah Melayu ini telah menyokong dengan memberikan hutang2 kapada bangsa asing juta ringgit pada tahun yang lalu.

Apa-kah sebab-nya orang2 Melayu tidak di-beri pinjaman wang supaya dapat mem- bolehkan mereka itu masok ka-medan perdagangan dan perusahaan?
Kita selalu membacha report2 bagi langkah2 yang di-ambil oleh bangsa2 asing saperti Pakistan, India dan lain2 negeri lagi di-atas tindakan2 buat menyokong bangsa mereka dan dengan akuan dari Kerajaan di-suroh mana2 bank memberikan hutang atau pinjaman de ngan chara short term, medium term dan long term, tetapi kapada orang2 lebeh kurang 6 347 28 MAY 1963 348 daripada luar yang perusahaan Melayu apa-kah yang di-buat oleh Kerajaan Perikatan.
Bahkan negeri2 yang saya sebutkan tadi telah mendiri- kan bank2 untok memberi pinjaman wang kapada ahli2 perdagangan dan mereka mengadakan Technical Insti tute untok mengajarkan chara bagai- mana hendak menjalankan perusahaan dan perdagangan yang baik sa-hingga di-berikan kapada mereka itu chon- toh2 barang2 yang baik yang di- import dari negeri lebeh maju di-dalam perdagangan dan per usahaan supaya dapat di-pelajari.

Te tapi apa-kah Kerajaan Perikatan telah buat kapada bangsa kita sekarang ini?
Tidak ada satu perkara yang boleh di- tunjokkan kapada ra'ayat bahawa Ke telah menunaikan kewajipan rajaan terhadap orang2 Melayu di- mereka dalam lapangan perniagaan.

Saya telah bangkitkan perkara kain batek Kelan- telah memberi kerja ka tan yang pada berpuloh2 ribu manusia menchari makan ini.

Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ke- masokan kain batek daripada negeri Siam yang bagitu banyak dengan harga yang murah sekarang ini maka per usahaan kain batek di negeri Kelantan itu telah mengalami kesusahan.
Saya telah berchakap di-dalam Rumah ini di-beri meminta Kerajaan protection kapada perusahaan batek itu, tetapi apa-kah jawab-nya—Kera jaan Perikatan sa-hingga sekarang ini belum dapat membuat satu definition untok membolehkan Kerajaan mem beri protection kapada perusahaan kain batek yang di-jalankan oleh orang2 Melayu di-negeri Kelantan itu.

Di- sini berma'ana bahawa satu Kerajaan yang bagitu besar yang mempunyai pakar2 satu tidak dapat membuat definition untok memberi protection kain batek di-sana.
Chuma kita dengar banyak daripada Menteri2 yang telah membeli sher2 dan banyak pula Ahli2 Yang Berhormat daripada pehak Peri katan yang telah menjadi manager bank2 dan perusahaan2 yang besar2.

Ini-lah barangkali hasil polisi Kerajaan Perikatan untok menjayakan orang2 Melayu di-dalam lapangan perusahaan dan perdagangan.

supaya Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sekarang saya mengambil bahagian berchakap ber- anggor di-dalam agak-nya faedah kapada negeri kenaan dengan pertanian.
Di-dalam perkara pertanian baharu2 ini kita men- dengar Menteri Pertanian yang baharu, berkata bahawa ia akan menggalakkan tanaman Tanah Melayu ini.

Ini ada-lah satu rancha- ngan barangkali pada fikiran-nya akan ini, memberi barangkali satu daripada ranchangan diversification untok mem- bahan2 ekonomi di- perbanyakkan dalam suka-lah ini.
Saya negeri memberi ingatan kapada Menteri itu bahawa ada-lah buah itu ia-lah buah temperate zone ia-itu buah negeri sejok, lebeh baik-lah ia menghabiskan masa- nya untok memikirkan dan memajukan perusahaan pertanian saperti tanaman kelapa dan lain2 lagi yang mana boleh memajukan dalam negeri kita ini sa- bagai negeri yang tropical atau ber- hawa panas, kerana kalau kita hendak menchuba menanam buah kurma dari pada Timor Tengah di-sini, sudah tentu tidak akan maju.
Demikian-lah juga kalau kita hendak menanam buah apple dan anggor di-dalam Tanah Melayu ini tetap-lah usaha itu akan rugi sahaja dan terkandas.

berat tentu-lah getah Saya fikir kalau sa-kira-nya tanaman pokok2 di-dalam negeri2 yang panas boleh di-tanam di-negeri yang sejok telah saya fikir Amereka menchuba menanam dalam negeri mereka kerana mereka terpaksa import atau membeli getah daripada negeri kita dan tidak payah lagi me reka membuat syntatic rubber.
Oleh yang demikian saya minta kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri Pertanian supaya mengambil di-atas tanaman2 yang ada di-dalam negeri ini seluroh-nya.

Di-dalam perkara per tanian kita tahu orang2 Melayu kita, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, menjadi mangsa kapada orang2 tengah atau middleman.

Orang2 yang bertanam getah mereka kapada itu menjualkan ini middleman maka orang membeli harga itu getah mengikut kehendak hati-nya.
Pendek kata darah orang2 Melayu kita yang bagitu susah menanam getah di-isap oleh middleman atau pembeli2 yang tendiri dari orang2 yang bukan Melayu.

juga orang2 Melayu yang Demikian menanam kelapa getah-nya dengan tengah .

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.. 349 28 MAY 1963 350 Mr Speaker: Order!

Order!

Ada satu Standing Order yang mengatakan bahawa salah bagi sa-saorang itu ber- chakap mengeluarkan perkataan2 yang menyakitkan hati di-antara satu bangsa dengan satu bangsa.
Kalau tuan hanya menggunakan perkataan "middleman" itu saya tidak menegah tetapi kalau tuan menggunakan perkataan meng- isap darah orang Melayu oleh bangsa China, itu salah.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apabila saya sebutkan middleman dapat-lah kita ketahu'i bukan semua middleman yang terdiri dari orang China malah ada itu daripada bangsa dari mereka Melayu, bangsa India dan lain2.
Orang2 telah menanam beribu2 Melayu kita acre pohon kelapa dalam Tanah Melayu ini dan mereka itu menjual ini kelapa kering kapada middleman dengan harga yang paling murah, kerana kita tahu bahawasa-nya middle man sentiasa hendak mengisap darah orang2 yang ia-itu orang2 menanam kelapa kampong, tetapi sa-hingga sekarang ini ada-kah Kerajaan Perikatan telah men- dirikan marketing society untok mem- bela orang2 Melayu kita penanam2 itu kelapa itu supaya darah mereka tidak di-isap oleh middleman.
Di-dalam Special Appendix pada muka 28 Clause 164 ada tersebut: "The Authority's ada-lah orang yang providing processing and marketing facilities is being fulfilled with a three-fold objective, (i) to raise the income of the primary producer, (ii) to test the economics of central proces sing and (iii) to improve the quality of the in this field are final produce.

Activities rubber, confined mainly since the rural population depends to a very great extent on rubber".
to smallholders' the bulk of role itu in Yang boleh di-fahamkan bahawasa- nya chuma Kerajaan telah mengambil tindakan sadikit untok membela orang2 yang menanam getah dengan di-adakan marketing darah penanam2 getah itu tidak di-isap oleh orang2 tengah tetapi bagi penanam2 yang lain tidak-lah di-ambil langkah oleh Kerajaan untok membela nasib orang2 ini.

supaya society Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tentang per- kara perikanan.
Apabila kita sebutkan perikanan, kita tahu bahawasa-nya 90 peratus daripada orang2 yang menang kap ikan ia-lah terdiri daripada orang2 Melayu.

Di-sini saya suka-lah hendak menyebutkan kesusahan yang sedang di-alami atau di-hadapi oleh penang- kap2 ikan yang terdiri daripada orang2 Melayu di-Kuala Muda dan di-tempat2 lain.

Belat pok ada-lah satu perkara yang timbul dalam tahun 1959.
Oleh kerana belat pok ini orang2 Melayu penangkap ikan di-sana telah meng- alami penghidupan yang pahit kerana tempat mereka menangkap ikan itu ada banyak belat pok dan tunggul2 kayu atau bekas belat pok yang menjadi satu bahaya kapada penangkap2 ikan kita di-sana yang terdiri daripada orang2 Melayu dan telah mendapat kerugian beribu2 ringgit kerana tunggul belat pok itu yang mencheraikan pukat2 me reka.

Orang2 Melayu kita telah meminta kapada Kerajaan pada tahun 1959 untok di-haramkan belat pok ini.
Akuan ini telah di-berikan oleh Kera jaan tetapi sa-hingga sekarang perkara belat pok belum dapat di-selesaikan.

Chuma kita dengar baharu2 ini Kera jaan chuba hendak mendirikan satu commission untok mengetahui apa-kah kedudokan yang sa-benar-nya.
Perkara ini saya fikir sebab-nya maka Kerajaan Perikatan telah mendirikan commission ia-lah kerana tahun 1964 sudah dekat dan masa pilehan raya akan tiba oleh yang demikian terpaksa-lah Kerajaan Perikatan menunjokkan kapada ra'ayat bahawasa-nya dia ada mengambil lang kah untok menyelesaikan perkara ini.
Hari terbacha dalam surat khabar Straits Times pada muka 5 di- bawah-nya berbunyi: ini saya itu "Take Gun Advice to Fishermen" "A representative of Kuala Kedah fishermen said yesterday that a Fisheries Department official had told a trawler net operator to take a shotgun when he went to sea."
Mengikut khabar ini bahawasa-nya sa- orang pegawai daripada Pejabat Per ikanan di-Pulau Pinang di-sana telah memberi nasihat kapada taukeh2 yang membuat pukat itu supaya taukeh2 ini membawa senapang apabila mereka ikan supaya orang2 Melayu tidak dapat ini mengachau mereka kita ada dengar bahawasa-nya orang2 itu keluar menangkap itu.
Baharu2 trawler 351 28 MAY 1963 352 Melayu di-Kuala Kedah telah mem- bawa satu cherita bahawasa-nya Yang Berhormat Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama telah mengharam- kan buat sementara chara menangkap ikan dengan pukat trawler ini.
Tetapi ini sampai masa nampak-nya pukat sekarang ini sedang di-jalankan, dan apabila orang2 Melayu chuba hendak mengganggu, sa-orang pegawai dari- pada Pejabat Perikanan telah rnemberi nasihat kapada taukeh ini supaya mem- bawa senapang; apa maksud-nya saya sendiri ta' tahu.

Ini-lah hasil-nya policy Kerajaan Perikatan dalam hal per ikanan.

ini Sekarang saya suka hendak bercha- kap dalam soal Malaysia.

Soal Malaysia di-masa yang akhir2 ini telah menjadi satu masaalah yang hangat.
Pada masa dahulu bangkangan itu terbit-nya dari- pada parti2 pembangkang sahaja tetapi nampak-nya sekarang telah ber- laku pertengkaran yang hebat di-antara penyokong2 Malaysia itu sendiri; yang ia-lah di-antara itu saya maksud pemimpin2 P.A.P.

dengan pemimpin2 M.C.A.

Nampak-nya, the bone of contention ia-itu tulang yang menjadi perbalahan telah di- ini dahulu-nya sambar daripada UMNO oleh M.C.A.

tetapi sekarang ini pula P.A.P.

hendak menyambar-nya dari M.C.A.


Dalam hal ini, apa-kah yang akan jadi ter- hadap kedudokan orang2 Melayu dalam pertelagahan di-antara M.C.A.

dengan P.A.P?

Kita yang menjadi juga mangsa-nya.


Di-sini, saya suka menye- butkan sadikit ia-itu mengikut report yang telah di-beri kapada Ahli2 Dewan tentang pindaan2 yang akan Ra'ayat yang di-persidangan di-kemukakan akan datang bagi Perlembagaan Per- sekutuan Tanah Melayu untok di- masokkan ketiga2 wilayah Borneo dan juga Singapura ka-dalam chorak negara yang baharu yang di-beri nama Malay sia itu.
Dalam pindaan2 yang tersebut itu, dapat-lah kita bacha dengan jelas tiap2 satu dan daripada tiga wilayah itu sama ada Brunei, Sarawak mahu pun Sabah dan telah di-beri hak juga Singapura itu.
Tiap2 istimewa kapada mereka satu wilayah itu di-beri hak istimewa kapada negeri itu, dan bagi masaalah Singapura pula dia mempunyai empat terang bahawasa-nya perkara kapada-nya autonomy yang di-berikan perkara tentang itu ia-itu masaalah Mr Speaker: Saya chuma hendak yang mengingat di-sebutkan itu akan di-bahathkan apabila kita mene- rima undang2 tuboh-nya.
Kalau kita berbahath sekarang, saya rasa belum tetapi kalau lagi sampai masa-nya, hendak berchakap di-atas dasar 'am sahaja, saya benarkan; kalau hendak berchakap di-atas detail-nya itu, saya tidak benarkan, sebab perkara ini akan di-bawa ka-dalam meshuarat ini untok di-bahathkan pindaan undang2 itu.
saya Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: tidak Tuan Yang di-Pertua, hendak membahathkan pindaan itu, tetapi oleh kerana perkara Malaysia ini ada tersebut dalam titah di-raja, dan Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang ter- dahulu daripada saya telah berchakap dalam perkara ini, maka saya akan menyentoh dengan jalan 'am.

termasok Keistimewaan2 yang di-beri kapada ketiga2 wilayah juga itu Singapura, nampak-nya keistimewaan tersebut tidak di-beri kapada sa-belas buah negeri yang ada dalam Tanah ini.
Jika sa-kira-nya orang2 Melayu Tanah Melayu yang hendak pergi ka-Sarawak, Brunei dan Sabah, mereka tidak di-benarkan dudok di-sana sa- lama2-nya, kechuali sa-lama tiga bulan sahaja kerana ketiga2 wilayah itu hendak mempertahankan kedudokan buroh2 mereka supaya apabila lahir- nya Malaysia nanti, orang2 Tanah tidak-lah akan dapat serbu Melayu ka-dalam kerja masok menchari wilayah2 tersebut.
Ada-kah Kerajaan Perikatan telah mengambil satu langkah untok men- buroh2 Tanah jamin Melayu ini apabila lahir-nya Malaysia kelak?

Saya perchaya buroh2 daripada Singapura juga akan datang masok menchari kerja di-Tanah Melayu kita ini.

Ada-kah satu sekatan, atau jaminan telah di-buat oleh Kerajaan yang Perikatan hendak membela buroh2 dalam Tanah Melayu ini?

Saya dengar buroh2 yang bekerja di-Shell Refinery Port Dickson ada-lah terdiri daripada buroh2 yang di-bawa daripada Singapura.
Ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, telah membuat, atau keselamatan untok f 353 28 MA { 1963 354 ia-lah satu perkara yang sangat mus- tahak bagi kita, lebeh2 lagi daripada wakil2 Dewan Ra'ayat ini menerangkan pendapat mereka di-atas dasar2 Kera- jaan Perikatan yang hendak meng- hanchorkan hak orang kita.

ada betul2 Sekarang langkah2 saya hendak berchakap dalam soal bahasa kebangsaan.
Bahasa kebangsaan ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, belum lagi kita melihat yang Kerajaan telah mengambil langkah yang konke- akan yang rit, menjamin bahawasa-nya bahasa ke bangsaan ini akan dapat di-pakai, atau di-gunakan sa-bagai bahasa rasmi yang tunggal dalam negeri ini pada tahun 1967.
Bulan2 bahasa yang di- lancharkan oleh pehak Kerajaan itu, chuma yang kita dapati hanya budak2 sekolah sahaja yang telah mengambil bahagian, sedangkan gulongan yang terdiri daripada ahli2 perdagangan dan perusahaan sa-hingga sampai sekarang ini belum lagi mereka itu menunjokkan ta'at setia mereka kapada negeri ini bersangkut dengan masaalah bahasa tersiar kebangsaan.
Kelmarin dalam surat khabar satu kenyataan yang di-keluarkan oleh Ketua Peran- chang Bahasa Kebangsaan tentang kesal dan sedeh-nya terhadap saudagar2 dalam negeri ini yang tidak memberi- kan kerjasama, atau tidak mengambil berat dalam perkara menggunakan bahasa kebangsaan.
Dengan tidak ada langkah2 yang boleh menjaminkan bahawasa-nya bahasa kebangsaan ini akan menjadi bahasa rasmi yang tunggal dalam tahun 1967 kelak, maka saya yakin ia-itu apabila hampir2 tiba menjelang-nya kelak, tahun Kerajaan Perikatan akan membuat satu usul untok hendak meminda Perlem- bagaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu untok di-tanggohkan perkara bahasa rasmi, bahasa yang tunggal dalam tahun 1967 sa-lama 10 tahun yang kahadapan kelak, kerana kita tahu bahawa sa-kira-nya Kerajaan ini me tindakan2 yang tepat untok ngambil menjadikan bahasa kebangsaan sa-bagai bahasa yang tunggal dalam tahun 1967 Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang akan dudok dalam Dewan Ra'ayat ini ia-itu mereka yang tidak boleh berchakap bahasa Melayu tetap mereka itu akan berdiam diri, dan perkara ini bukan 1967 sahaja terdiri daripada wakil2 pehak pembangkang, bahkan terdiri juga dari pehak M.C.A.
Oleh sebab yang demi- kian, M.C.A.

tidak akan berdiam diri dalam Rumah yang mulia ini, kerana mereka akan membawa satu pindaan supaya di-lambatkan penggunaan ba hasa kebangsaan, bahasa rasmi yang tunggal sa-lama 10 tahun yang akan datang.

Sekian-lah terima kaseh.

sahaja, in this House.


We, on The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, the debate on His Majesty's Speech has produced as usual a very lively debate the Government bench, naturally, welcome the this debate, because it provides opportunity for Members of the Oppo sition to make statements, to condemn this Government, and to say many things which otherwise they would be denied to say outside, because if they had said such things outside we know that the course of justice will catch up with them.
However, it is expected that in the course of this debate we would hear something constructive from the Opposition.

That would have given the Government thought and would help the Government to plan for the future.

The debate, though it might be lively, but there is nothing at all constructive on which we can work, or one on which we can give food for thought.
All that the Members of the Opposition have done was to use this Parliament as their political forum, trying to tear the Alliance to bits, without any constructive proposal with which!

we can make something of.

For instance, one thing has been said to which, I feel, I should take very strong exception—one of the many insulting remarks that have been made in the course of this debate.
room for Sir, one particular remark made by the Honourable Member for Ipoh was to the effect that the Alliance Members in this House are racialists and com- munalists, and that they lack education and brains, as a result of which they are a danger to nation-building.

I do not know where he would have been today, or what education he would have received if his family had not migrated to this country.

(Applause).
(Applause).

Many of our Members may not have 355 28 MAY 1963 356 to receive the opportunity had the good education which he has had.

On the other hand, they do not lack good manners, or display lack of manners in this House.

If they had done so, or lacked this quality, they might have shown resentment for this very insulting remark and might have created a scene which would have caused an upheaval in this House.
Higher education is not the only quality, or the only qualifica tion, which entitles a man to sit in this House, or to a seat in this House, but good manners as well are required of the a Member of Parliament.

So Honourable Member not only lacks this, but often displays the lack of it, my advice to him is that he must try to educate himself, as otherwise Alli ance Members might take offence and their retaliation might cause serious consequences, thus spoiling the good name of this House.
Among his destructive observations was the suggestion that I had caused offence to His Highness the Sultan of Perak by my recent public declaration on the subject of His Highness' speech made at Kuala Kangsar.

He suggested, therefore, I should have been charged with sedition for what I had said.

It might have sounded very brave indeed for him to have suggested the Prime Minister should be put in chains and charged before a court of law.

The fact that shows clearly that he lacks tact and good manners.
If he had taken the trouble to read carefully that he said that Enche' S. P. Seenivasagam (Meng- lembu): Mr Speaker, Sir, on a point of clarification—the Member for Ipoh did not say that in this House or outside this House.

What he said was that he would give a general warning that anybody who incites disaffection against a Ruler could be guilty of sedition.

He made no specific reference inside or outside the Prime Minister on the question of sedition.
this House to The Prime Minister: 1 have not brought the paper with me.

So, I cannot correct the Honourable Member, but I did read that the Honourable Member for I should be charged with sedition.

I do Ipoh suggested that any not think I made that mistake here— neither could the Honourable Member if he is being guilty of distortion of facts.

However, he did suggest, as I said, that I should have been charged with sedition.

The fact, as I said, that he suggested that shows that he lacks the good manners.
If he had taken trouble to read carefully into what I said, he would have found out; and if he considers himself a good citizen, he would have realised that all I was trying to do was to uphold the principle of democracy in this country.

All I was trying to suggest was that a Ruler must not participate in politics, or in the administration of the country.

The Constitution provides for that.

I was not saying anything out of the context of the Constitution.
I said that a Ruler must maintain himself as a consti tutional Head and must not be involved administrative or political in squabble.

Everybody will agree that that is fair and, in fact, the Sultan the whole himself has considered incident as closed.

If he misunderstood it, this is quite natural.

Speaking as I did in the language of the royal family, in the best tradition of the royal family, I do not expect him, of course, to understand the language.
However, I was hoping that he would not make an issue of this in public.

I had to make a statement in public, because the matter was publicised by both the press and Radio Malaya, and I there was no other considered effective way of bringing the matter to the attention of the public than to make a statement at the time that I did make it.
This matter has been considered, as I said, as closed but, unfortunately incident has another occurred, and many political parties in the Opposition would like to make an issue of this so as to get themselves in the favour of the public, siding with the wrong side in the hope that by siding with the wrong they might be able the Alliance: nothing according to them would be easier to do that than to see that a split being caused between the Rulers and my Party.
The Honourable Member for Ipoh deceives no one because we the know, as has been stated by to overthrow that 357 28 MAY 1963 358 in Honourable Member this House yesterday, he has never been pro-Ruler and still much less pro-Malay.

There fore his part in this—and anybody who takes side with him—will be doing a great disservice to the cause of good understanding between the Rulers and the Parliament.
The Honourable Member for Bung- sar was quick also to seize the opportu nity of the other incident, regarding the statement made by His Highness the Sultan of Selangor.

to say that the Alliance Government is bad and that the Ruler had reason to be dissatisfied with it.

This is the second time that an incident of this nature has arisen in the course of the last few days—I do not want to say what the reason is behind it.
It is, however, very regret table that this matter has been brought up in this House, because the Standing Orders do specifically mention that the names of His Majesty and Rulers should not be made the subject of a debate here.

All I need do is to tell this House that I shall take this matter up at the next Rulers' Conference, and that is the proper place to take it to.

I can assure the House that I will do so at the next meeting of the Rulers.
In the meantime, the public must shield itself against these unscru pulous politicians whose aim to com mercialise on such an issue in order to discredit the Alliance Party.

All I need say here is that the Alliance as the party in power are sworn to defend the Constitution.

Whatever maybe the con sequence, we shall not shirk our duties and it responsibilities even may displease certain quarters.
though the Alliance Coming back the Honourable to Member for Ipoh, he has suggested that is not working towards building a national unity.

Only through the principle of equality, he says, can there be nation-building.

The intention of the Alliance, Sir, is to achieve equality.

That there are pro visions in our Constitution to help the less fortunate people, is an indication of this.

It so happens that the less fortunate people are the indigenous people of this country.
These are the Malays and the aborigines, and when that all the wealth, Malaysia is formed, they will include the Malays, the aborigines and the the Borneo indigenous people of territories.

Without this help where would these people be?

I repeat, as the Honourable Member has brought it up just now, the business, industries, careers and pro fessions, lands, buildings, estates and everything else that I can think of are in the hands of others.
The proportion of indigenous people having any share in the wealth of this country is so small that they make no percentage of it at all, and the opportunity they get to obtain employment in business houses is almost nil, as far as Malayan concerned, commercial houses though the British business houses are giving some openings for them.

But we have yet to see Malayan business houses offering them some business opportunities.

In the meantime it is the duty of this Government to help them.
No amount of criticisms from the Honourable Member would influence Government against this policy.

Time will come, I have no doubt, when there will be equal opportunities for all; and when that time comes, I have no doubt also that the policy will be adjusted accordingly.

are The Honourable Member for Kota Bharu Hilir has suggested that we have done nothing, and the same was the suggestion made by some other Mem bers in the course of this debate.

It is, I think, sheer nonsense to suggest that.


Batek cloth on the whole is protected by the imposition of duties against importation.

He then suggested that money had been lent by banks and Development Malayan Finance Limited to others but not to Malays.

Let me tell the Honourable Member, if he takes care to see for himself, the RIDA has made $21,563,819, or $21.5 million to the nearest, available the Malay encourage them businessmen loans to Industrial .

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.. that for to Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Boleh-kah saya mendapat kenyataan 21 juta ringgit itu daripada mana-kah, ada-kah wang itu daripada RIDA atau daripada Malayan Industrial Develop ment Finance Limited?

359 28 MAY 1963 360 The Prime Minister: This is from the RIDA.

But what has been lent by the Malayan Industrial Development Finance Limited, the Honourable Minister of Commerce and Industry will inform this House.
I have only this figure from RIDA which is $21 million odd and which is not a small is sum—it $21,563,819—and this House that we have done nothing for the Malay people is sheer nonsense.

(Applause).

is not $21,000 but to suggest in it Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Dua puloh satu juta ringgit itu daripada tahun bila?

Sa-bagaimana yang saya tahu bahawa ada-lah dua puloh satu juta ringgit itu ia-lah daripada mula2 lagi RIDA itu di-dirikan ia-itu tahun 1954.
Mr Speaker: Soal itu tentu-lah tidak dapat di-jawab dengan serta merta record2 kerana itu berkehendakkan dan buku yang ada di-pejabat itu.

The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, let me assure the Honourable Member that everything will be done by this Government to help the Malay people, and so far there has been no opposi tion actually from outside against this is our hope Government policy.
It that in the course of time, if we were lucky enough the to be Malays will feel the advantages, the benefits, which they have derived from this Government as they have done so now, whatever the others may have to say.

returned, Now, Sir, I was dealing just now with the Honourable Member who has suggested that our policy is one-sided and that we have done nothing for the others, but that we have done everything for the Malays.
We have such persons as the Honourable Mem ber for Kota Bharu Hilir who has suggested that we have done nothing, and when I told him just now the amount of money lent by RIDA, he asks what we have achieved.

Well, I am unable to say here, as I stand up here, more about this, because I did not know that he was going to bring up this subject without himself trying to find out the facts about this.
to itself, the works the middle the non-Malays of On the other extreme, we have the Honourable Member for Bachok and also the Honourable Member for Kuala Langat and others who have suggested that we have not done enough for the Malays.

There has always been this conflict of opinion between these two extremists: one has suggested that we have done too much for the Malays while the other has suggested that we have done nothing or not enough.
The Alliance, as I have said, has always course without struck depriving their the Constitution.

We rights under have given much benefit the indigenous people since we came into power, and they know we are able to provide benefits and other help to the rural population, whose lots are less fortunate than those living in the urban areas.
Rural development to it has gether with all produced, is the crowning example of our the Opposition has been trying to make out that the ra'ayat has not benefited ra'ayat under cannot be deceived, with the result that election after election they have returned the Alliance candidates, be it at the rural, town, State or Federal level.
We remain in power not through any trickery or deceit but through the support which we have received and have been receiving from the ra'ayat; and no amount of attack in this House can change the minds of the people who have returned us.

They know best as to which party they can entrust the fate of this country and the Govern ment.
As I have said, God help this country if ever any of the Opposition parties comes into power, and I cannot see for the life of me that any of the Opposition parties can be entrusted with country.

of the (Applause).

success.

As against it.

Nevertheless, this, fate this the The Honourable Member for Ipoh branded other people racialists and communalists.

It is like the pot calling the kettle black.

Every time the Hon ourable Member opens his mouth he harps on the same subject.
I have no doubt that his intention is to cause dissatisfaction, suspicion and hatred among the many races who live here 361 28 MAY 1963 362 and who are trying to make a home of this country.

country, and I can say that on the whole we have done well.

The Alliance Government is trying its level best to do all it can to bring about unity in diversity and we make every attempt to educate the people to regard this country as their home and their only object of loyalty.
If the Honourable Member can say in what way the Government has prevented non-Malays from doing business, from making money or making a career for themselves, the opportunities open to the citizens of this country, I could then understand the reason for saying that our party has been unfair.
But he, as I said, like all others who have come to this country, the greater and did so because of opportunities open they them, continue to live in this country because they know there is fairness and justice and fair play here for all.

taking from or to in the this House He said that there are Malay youths who are roaming about the streets of this country, and so did the other members of the Opposition who brought the same matter up in this House.
They say that these people are trying to seek employment from door to door and that there are more and more people without employment who have crowded in the towns or in the urban areas, whereas in fact I have in a written informed answer—and if the Honourable Mem bers care to read it, they will find the figures survey there—that carried out by the Statistics Depart ment and the Ministry of Labour and Social Welfare from April to Septem ber last year proved that there are only 5.2 per cent of the men who are unem ployed.
This compares most favourably with any country in the world.

In terms of percentage of male unemployed between the ages of 15 to 70, there are only 4.4 per cent unemployed.

There fore, you can see how ridiculous it is for the Honourable Members to charge this Government of being unmindful of the plight of our youth.
The reason why we encourage foreign capital into this country and provide a tax holiday these for industries to absorb the youth of this to enable industries is The Honourable Member from Kuala Langat maintained that we are acting, by doing that, as compradores for the imperialists by providing the opportunities for foreign capitalists and their allies to dominate this country.
The opposite thinking of the Honour able Members of the Opposition has become almost comical, and it beats me as to how they get all these figures.

On the one hand, we hear them say there is unemployment in this country, and, on the other hand, when we are trying to get employment for these people, they say we are acting as com pradores.
What we are trying to do is to absorb the youths of this country that they say are in the streets, and as a result, we have invited foreign capital here and given them all these pri vileges—not because we want to be compradores but because we want everybody to be happy; and as I have said, the Honourable Member himself has had some sort of dealings with foreign companies (Laughter).

Enche' Abdul Aziz bin Ishak (Kuala Langat): Mr Speaker, Sir, I did not hear.

The Prime Minister: Just as well.


I will tell you again.

Well, as I said, if we cannot provide diversification of our industries under our own steam, then we have got to find other means of helping our people.

If the people in this country cannot start industries of their own as diversification to this country's economy, then the Govern ment has got to seek it elsewhere.
As a result of this policy, we have made Malaya an example to the whole world on how this country after independence can progress and make a success of its independence.

The Honourable Member for Kuala Langat would have excelled and achieved dubious fame in another country which feeds the people with empty talks and clothes them with deceit and lies, but not here, I am afraid; and that country is tottering on the brink of bankruptcy and dis aster.
But When a country is piro- gressive and prosperous that does not suit him at all.

I do not know why.

363 28 MAY 1963 364 I know him as a man who conceives ideas, but cannot do anything for long.

An example of it is in the affair of the Special Constabulary, with which he had been entrusted as he professed to champion their cause.

But what did he do.

He just left them in a mess and we had to call others to clear up this mess.

that Enche' Abdul Aziz bin Ishak: On a point of clarification.
A very serious charge has been made by the Honour able Prime Minister I have neglected the Ex-Special Constabulary.

Actually the decision was made much earlier on to do away with them so that they could be absorbed into the ordinary land development schemes.

That was the whole idea, because they were found to be not quite suitable to work on the land themselves, as the the State land given Governments was land which was not wanted by anybody else.
So they were actually in a very, very serious position of being neglected from the Colonial Government of those days.

them by to The Prime Minister: But when this Government came to power and left it with him to deal with them, what did he do?

He messed it up worse than they did (Laughter).

The same with Community Development.


The Honour able Member came back from India with full of ideas on community deve lopment, having seen what was done there for the rural population, and persuaded the Government to give in to his demand to set up this depart ment.

In fact, we responded fully to his ideas and gave him all the opportuni ties, and what did he do?

He again left it in the lurch (Laughter).

which we adjusted to suit the condi this country.


In Kelantan, tions of Kedah and Perlis the villages were given a face lift.

Mr Speaker: I hope your explanation will not be very long.

Enche' Abdul Aziz bin Ishak: Well, Sir, it is necessary, because I have been accused of the opposite of what I have done.

Mr Speaker: Make it as short as possible.

Enche' Abdul Aziz bin Ishak: I will, the Sir.


The officials concerned and people who participated—the kampong people and Perlis—had been given a new deal for two years at least.

Those villages which had undertaken the change have gone back to where they were.

in Kelantan, Kedah Mr Speaker: Please proceed.

is the The Prime Minister: Well, they do not exist any more now.

They have sunk into oblivion and become past history.
So, whatever explanation the Honourable Member has got to offer now, I do not think it will convince anybody on this side of the House.
However, coming to the other matter, it fact (Laughter), as a result of his bright ideas, we established rural develop ment—that much I have got to thank him rural development became a success, he suggested that it should be passed over to him, but as I had been bitten once I became twice shy, and so left it to the Honourable the Deputy Prime Minister to carry on with rural development.

same matter, for.

When in Enche' Abdul Aziz bin Ishak: Sir, I have to explain again.
I am afraid is the Honourable Prime Minister truth beyond what stretching the is necessary.

the community fact, In development, I must say here, was not a failure.

It was an absolute success, although I did not get any money.

I had I wanted.

But the money was not given.

Despite that, there were 185 of 190 schemes of rural upliftment based on India, based on other countries as well, to beg for every cent that Now, there is a serious matter which he has done in this House.
He has accused this Government of being corrupt—and I hope I heard it cor rectly because I was in the other room.

He has accused the Government of being corrupt, when he knew fully well how honest and dedicated we are— and he had been with us for eight years.
If he had thought that we were corrupt, he should never have remained with us for eight days if he was such an honest man, and then to come now 365 28 MAY 1963 366 and accuse the Party that made him, the Party which literally picked him up from the gutter .

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.. HONOURABLE MEMBERS : Hear, hear!

Mr Speaker: Order, order.

The Prime Minister: .

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.. and gave him position, name and fame.

If the Government had been corrupt, it would never have remained to this day.
He was the only man, as far as I know, among the Members of the Cabinet who has undertaken a business venture in the name of a co-operative society.

He was the only Member who misled the people as to the great profits that could be derived from this scheme, when he knew fully well that it would have placed the whole venture in the hands of foreign businessmen for years and years—and I have told him that.
He went to Japan with his business associates and was royally treated and entertained by firms there—Kinoshita, Shoten and Kami Matsu.

this categorically.

In Enche' Abdul Aziz bin Ishak: I have to explain that, Mr Speaker.

I must deny the first place, the Prime Minister is aware of what actually happened.

Actually, in vitations were made originally that I should go to Japan together with three co-operative workers to look into the question of urea plants as well as paper mills.
The expenses of the three co operative workers were paid by the Government.

Since the Government was not able to pay for me, I paid for the trip—for myself and my wife—and the money was paid the Federal Tourist Agency in which an Honourable Member was a partner.

It was paid by instalment.

At every place I visited in Japan, Hong Kong and Taiwan, I personally paid for all the rooms that I occupied in the hotels.
And Sir, there is another thing: the Prime Minister knew about it and the Prime Minister allowed me $1,000.

He said: "People might give you parties and so on; use this $1,000 to give parties in return."

The money was paid through the Ambassador in Japan, not through me at all.

I did not touch a cent of it.

through The Prime Minister: Well, however, that was about all that.

I hate to bring all these matters in this House, but since he has charged this Government with being dishonest.
I have no choice but to speak as I do.

I do not make it a habit of hurting people in this House, and the Honourable Member knows it.

But when a person has charged this Government without any rhyme or reason of being dishonest, I challenge the person, I challenge any Member, to impeach us, so that we can explain, we can have a debate on these things.

To charge recklessly that this Government is dishonest in this House is an abuse of the privilege of this House.
If they dare say things like that outside they will know what the con sequences will be.

Enche9 Abdul Aziz bin Ishak: Sir, I am prepared even to say it outside.

(Applause).

The Prime Minister: Right, that is good the I Honourable Member to say it outside.

(To Enche' Abdul Aziz) I challenge you to say it outside.

challenge Enche' Abdul Aziz bin Ishak: In good time.

The Prime Minister: In what time?

Enche' Abdul Aziz bin Ishak: In good time.

The Prime Minister: Now!

Mr Speaker: Order, order.


What is going on between you two?

I cannot have two Members standing up at the same time.

This is laid down by Stand ing Orders.

I am here to control this House, and if the Member for Kuala Langat wants to ask permission to give an explanation, he must wait until the Member who is speaking gives way.

This is quite understood.

You have been here for the last five years.

Enche' Abdul Aziz bin Ishak: I apologise, Sir.

Mr Speaker: Please proceed.


The Prime Minister: Sir, the Honour able Member for Tanjong and others have also insinuated that Ministers are 367 28 MAY 1963 368 well-to-do and that we are consoli dating our position.

If the Honourable Member will make a specific charge against us, setting out the offences of corruption committed by the Members of too the Cabinet, I will be only too happy—I repeat I will be only happy—to answer the charge, and to allow this Parliament to impeach us.
But I do object to charges made reck lessly without cause or reason—charges intention of the only made with discrediting this Government.

And this was done in order to cast suspicion and distrust in the minds of the public against the Party in power, and likely to be in power again after the next election (Applause).

Perhaps is what is worrying the Opposition—the Honourable Members of the Opposi tion.
If the country believe them and would like Members of Parties in opposition to rule this country, then name the party which can rule this country better than we do.

If the people believe them then let the people return them, but I say here that if they return any of the parties now in opposition, I say "God help them!"

There will be chaos, disaster and disorder; there will be murder galore and it will be the end of every thing for the happy people of happy Malaya.
the people of then that that There was another matter that was touched upon by, I think, the Honour able Member for Ipoh who suggested that there was fraud in the terms of the merger, but I say that the terms of this agreement had been stated quite clearly the White Paper and we have in reiterated the details will be worked out in course of time.

For that reason the officials of both countries are hard at work trying to thrash out points of differences between Singa pore and the Federation.
They have thrashed out among themselves point after point and have cleared many left obstacles.

the is only It for to be agreed financial arrangements upon, and I have no intention of prejudicing the talks by disclosing to this House what these differences are.

Suffice it be for me to say here that I have every confidence that agreement will be reached in the course of the next few talks.

To suggest that there is fraud in the agreement is completely false and mischievous.
If there is any attempt to make the terms ambiguous the White Paper would never have been published and printed for the information of the public.

There is another matter brought up by the Honourable Member for Ipoh— that is the question of bail.

Let me tell him that there is no change what soever from the established practice of the courts of law in this country with regard to bail.
I have received a note from a learned law officer to say among other things: to to examine the severity of the offence and "It is not easy to see the purpose of setting up a commission the question of bail.

The law on the subject of bail It has is very straightforward.

operated satisfactorily for many years, and no complaints have been made the Government regarding the provision of the law relating to bail and its administration.
It is well established that the proper test of whether bail should be granted or refused in case it is discretionary is whether it is probable that the accused person will appear to take his trial, having regard to the nature of the punishment which conviction will entail.

Bail is not to be withheld as a punishment.

Bail pending trial is mandatory in a large number of cases which are clearly specified in law.
In other cases, it is discretionary, especially in capital cases, in the case where the offence is punishable with imprisonment for is always discretionary, but an appeal does not operate as a stay of execution and consequently an accused person who has been sentenced to imprisonment must show cause as to why he should be granted bail pending appeal.
If an accused person is not satisfied with the manner in which the discretion to grant bail has been exercised he has his remedy by way of appeal against the refusal of the bail."

That is the most I can say in reply to the Honourable Member for Ipoh who brought up the subject of bail.

life.

Bail pending appeal Now, Sir, the Honourable Member for Bachok has suggested that there is nothing new in the King's Speech.
He said that we only stated facts, we did not elaborate it; and nor did we adorn the Speech in any way, nor tried to make it pleasant to the ears of those who do not like it.

We dealt with the various aspects of policy under the various headings.

What more can we do?

What more can you expect of this Government?

The country knows what 369 28 MAY 1963 370 the people, in we are doing and what we are planning to do.
For that reason, there is much confidence in this country among all the the nations, all Alliance Government—and that we have been able to achieve progress, peace and happiness stands out clearly for all to see.

There is no need for me to mention all the things here.

The favourably situation here compares with any country that matter with any country in the world, but decidedly with any country within the Communist sphere of influence.
in Asia—for in into The Honourable Member for Bachok also brought up a most delicate question—that of Southern Thailand.

As far as we know, and under inter national acceptance, these States form part of Thailand.

It is not for us to interfere in a country which is on terms of friendship with us and whose co operation and help have enabled us to deal effectively with the Communist insurgents who have fled the border area of the two countries.
Under the terms of friendship with Thailand, we are able to move our Police into that territory, in order to pursue the Communist terrorists, who have given us so much trouble and who have so many atrocities and committed murders the course of activities during the Emergency.

We are natural ly interested in the lot of the people of Southern Thailand whom we consider as our Muslim brothers.
I can the Honourable Members of assure the Member this House, and for Bachok, the Thai Government will listen favourably to any proposal that I may make to better the lot of these people.

I ask this House and the people of this country to bear with me and to be patient, if they are really interested and concerned with the fate of those people.

It is my hope that this year, before we see this year out, something might be done for these people.
The change which we propose to effect for them must bring them very much happiness.

If the Honour able Member for Bachok starts to make a fuss or trouble over this matter he will, instead of helping the cause of these people, even make them more unhappy.

that With reference to the question of loans which he has brought up, it is too much to expect him to understand what it is all about.

My Honourable colleague, the Minister of Finance, will no doubt put him wise on this loan question.
Suffice for me to tell him that it is an international practice to have loans.

Countries which can obtain loans are of (1) a country like Malaya, a country which is rich and prosperous and enjoys international confidence—it can float a public loan; (2) a country which is completely bankrupt—it will be given a loan by some power in order to bring it to the other side.

Malaya is in the first category.

Thank heaven for that.


two categories: to has been suggested they have Now, I come back this very important topic of Malaysia.

Many Opposition Members have brought up the subject of Malaysia again, though the matter thoroughly thrashed out in this House time and again.

Nevertheless, the right to bring it up in this House and it is my duty to answer them to the best of my ability.

Some Members have that Malaysia was rushed through without mandate from the people.
Some say that Malaysia is going to affect the economy of this country adversely, and that Malayan these money will be poured territories those for people in the new territories and that will have a very disastrous conse quence on the people of Malaya.

There will be, of course, the disadvantages in the matter of taxation, because the Borneo territories will have less to pay, while the Malayan people will have to shoulder the same burden.
Another accusation was made that we would be the agents and stooges of the British, in order to perpetuate colonial rule in these territories—hence we have the term coined by the Communists "neo colonialism" and they have applied it to us now.

into the benefit of As the to point number one, Malayan people welcomed Malaysia— and we all know it.
One and all agreed that this is the best thing in order to extend the scope of independence and freedom to the less fortunate people of 371 28 MAY 1963 372 their travellers, the people the Borneo territories, who realise that on their own they can never hope to be the independent.

The assessment of peoples' desire was made in the terri tories concerned and, except for the sympathisers Communists and and fellow in territories welcomed Malaysia.
these The Cobbold Commission interviewed many thousands of people in all walks of life and they were convinced that the people, who were free to express their will, would accept Malaysia as the best possible alternative to being subjects of a foreign power.

The Malayan people had heard of Malaysia since I first brought up the matter in my speech at a Press luncheon in as Singapore 1959. time had Political parties at nothing much it.
to that Singapore carried out a After of which result the referendum, to all—it gave an was well known indication of the support of the people of Singapore for Malaysia.

far back that say against as times and agreed The Solidarity Consultative Com the representatives mittee comprising territories, Singapore of the Borneo the Federation of Malaya met and many to support Malaysia.
The voters in North Borneo, again, have returned the pro-Malaysia Party to power and the people in power are now hard at it having their elec tions, the result of which will be out soon.

Mr Narasimhan of the United Nations also went to these territories to satisfy himself as to the wishes of the people and he was convinced that the people for Malaysia.
Recently three Labour M.Ps visited these territories and came away con vinced that there was nobody who was the against Malaysia, people of North Borneo in particular, there were Enche' Lim Kean Siew (Dato Kra- mat): Mr Speaker, Sir, on a point of clarification, the three Labours M.Ps made it very clear that they did not represent the Labour Party and that they were observers and that if they ever spoke, they spoke as individuals expressing their opinion.
As far as I am aware, all the three of them had is slightly different views.

What the Honourable Prime Minister has just the opinion of Mr expressed Bottomley who said that the 50 per cent of the people in Sarawak were against Malaysia, that all people in Brunei were against Malaysia and that most of the people in North Borneo were for Malaysia.

that that (Laughter).

if they said I can assure to me.


Perhaps The Prime Minister: Well, they did not say they shared the confidence of the Honour able Member for Dato Kramat if they did not share with me.

However, what they have told me I have repeated in this House and said that they agreed; they did not and agree, there is nothing else for me to say the Honourable Member for Dato Kramat that I never saw Mr Bottomley alone as the three of them stayed together.
What was expressed to me, I presume, was the expression on behalf of others as well.

However, that is the position and, as I have said, there are, of course, some people who disagree with Malaysia—for what reason I do not know.

I gave the reasons in this House just now as they were expressed.

But if they disagree with the reasons which I am not they expressed responsible for it.
earlier, If I remember aright, the Honour able Member for Kuala Langat did mention to me in the course of a con versation the merger with Singapore was inevitable.

I think he still shares that view though he is .

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that Enche' Abdul Aziz bin Ishak: That was probably seven and a half years ago!

(Laughter).

The Prime Minister: 1959 is not seven and a half years ago!
Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Sir, on a point of clarification, I do not know if the Honourable Prime Minister is confusing merger with Singapore as such and merger with Singapore and with the Bornean territories.

It creates a different problem entirely, because merger with Singapore is the joining up of the head to the body.

Merger with Singapore and Bornean territories 373 28 MAY 1963 374 means the taking over of the foreign territories.
The Prime Minister: Merger with Singapore will alone turn from the back to the front—the bottom will be the head and the head will be the bottom!

(Laughter).

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: I am glad is to the Socialist the Honourable Prime Minister paying compliments Front.

(Laughter).

Mr Speaker: Please proceed!

The Prime Minister: I better not say any more about that.

Anyway, Malaysia must come about, and it must come about by 31st of August as scheduled.
Then one of the persons, who agreed with Malaysia and mentioned it soon in after Singapore, was the Honourable Enche' Boestamam who is now the Govern ment guest in Batu Gajah.

He was the first to express his agreement with Malaysia.

talk about I had a this Enche' K. Karam Singh (Daman- sara): Sir, on a point of clarification, is that why he has been given the honour of arrest?

The Prime Minister: That I will tell you.


As the Honourable Member has rightly expressed his opposition to Malaysia, here they are free to express the same thing against Malaysia, and they are not under arrest.

Enche' Boestamam was not arrested for that.

They all know and they all will realise that he was arrested not because he was opposed to Malaysia but because he was trying to subvert the loyalty of the armed forces and he was trying to get them to side with the enemy to overthrow the Government.
Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Sir, on a point of clarification, those were not the grounds given for the arrest at that time.

These are grounds given for the arrest by the Honourable Prime Minis ter now.

The grounds then given for the arrest were that he had been in touch for the last seven years with Communist people such as Lim Chin Siong who himself had been detained to create a secret route from 1956 to 1959, and that he was trying to the question of Indonesia—but not subverting the armed forces.
It is a very serious matter, because Enche' Boestaman is a Member of Parliament and I think that the reasons for his arrest should be given clearly and there should be no different reasons given.

There are grounds of his arrest which have been served on him and which are in the hands of his solicitors the and the grounds given now by Honourable Prime Minister are not part of the grounds for his arrest.

The Prime Minister: Those are the the grounds which I give now interest of the Members of this House.
There are so many other grounds, and I cannot mention them all here.

in Mr Speaker: I think the ground is not the point in issue.

The Prime Minister: Yes, Sir.

How ever, I think he was taken with others, the because country.

they were traitors in With regard to the argument that Malayans will have to bear the burden of the taxation for the benefit of other people in the Bornean territories, that is a matter which is accepted in the Federation now.
the Federation In there are nine States in that some States are richer than others, but they have been sharing the wealth with the poorer States and that is how the Federation goes.

So the Bornean territories may not have to pay taxation in the early stages of merger with the Federation, but later on they will have to pay when they realise their responsibilities and duties.
However, they must be given time to feel that they are members of this new nation: you cannot just get them in and then start taxing them.

Let them feel that they are members of this Malaysia before they are made to pay.
Another fear, which some Members have expressed or which they have in their minds, is that when Malaysia is formed, the agression from our neigh bour might show in a more terrifying form and that we might have itself 375 28 MAY 1963 376 that I hope stations and burn the Bornean to fight the band of terrorists who come across the frontier to raid shops the and police territories.
houses in Anyway, the meeting which I am about to have with Presi dent Soekarno in Tokyo in the next few days, will be able to clear up all these points.

Now Honourable Mem bers are sitting up trying to take notice of what I am saying; this is natural as this has come to them as a bolt from the blue.

But let me read to them a little bit more—this statement will be released to the Press immediately after I have left the House.
It says that— in His Malayan Majesty's Ambassador Tokyo, Dato' Syed Sheh bin Syed Abdullah Shahabuddin was invited by the Indonesian Deputy First Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs, Dr Subandrio, at 11.30 p.m. on 25th May to a meeting at the Imperial Hotel.
At that meeting Dr Subandrio the desirability of smoothening explained differences between Indonesia and Malaya and suggested that the best way, under the circumstances, would be for Prime Minister Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra and President Sukarno to meet.

Dr Subandrio handed to the Ambassador a Note which contained a message signed by President Sukarno addressed to the Prime Minister expressing a desire in Tokyo where he would be staying until 2nd June.
to meet The Cabinet yesterday considered this proposal and in considering this matter we reaffirmed the Federation Government's stand that every opportunity should be taken towards relations with Indonesia and maintaining peace in South- East Asia and decided that the invitation of President Sukarno should be accepted.

restoring normal And I have now made my booking to leave for Japan on the 30th of this month (Applause).

Another matter which was brought up in the course of this debate was Radio Malaya.
Radio Malaya has again come under attack, some Members calling it the mouthpiece of the Govern ment.

It is a Government machinery to disseminate news and other matters which are of interest to the people of this country.

But political parties to make use of are not allowed it as as is done some other countries.

It is independent to the extent that the party in power does not interfere in the their political platform in running of it so long as it keeps within this policy.
It is not an independent corporation or commercial radio, and as such, the Government must main tain certain amount of control over it, and the officers who are in control are Government servants.

It has not given any cause, in fact, for anybody to be concerned with its running, nor the service rendered by the officials and staff of Radio Malaya.
They have done their work well and they are a credit to the department and the nation, and I for one and all right thinking citizens have every reason to be proud of their achievement.

There was another matter which was brought up in this House, and that was the question of the Indonesian Ambas sador who has been very active and has been rightly reported in the Utusan Melayu.
With reference to the allega tions made by an Honourable Member on the activities of the Ambassador— I think one Member spoke about the activities of the Indonesian Ambas sador—we are quite aware of it, but we are not informed of his objectives.

Therefore, this Government has not thought fit to act.

I know such activity is not in keeping with the etiquette expected of a member of the diplomatic service.
We ourselves would never have authorised our Ambassador to do that as it would not be conducive to the goodwill we hope to receive from the country to which our Ambassador has been accredited.

That is as much as I can say with regard to this matter and it is unfortunate that this has been made public.

However, I hope that it the will help member of the diplomatic service from Indonesia.
to be a deterrent to I hope my meeting with the President may clear quite a lot of air and I would ask Honourable Members to pray for the success of the outcome of these talks, because on it hangs the peace, happiness and prosperity of our (Applause).

new country of Malaysia Mr Speaker: I think it is a good time to suspend the sitting.

The sitting it suspended for 15 minutes.

Sitting suspended at 11.45 a.m. 377 28 MAY 1963 378 Sitting resumed at 12.00 noon.
(Mr Speaker in the Chair) Mr Speaker: Saya hendak mema- 'alumkan kapada Majlis ini ia-itu pada sa-belah pagi tadi saya ada menyatakan saya akan bermeshuarat dengan pehak Kerajaan berkenaan dengan meshuarat kita pada hari telah menetapkan ia-itu meshuarat ini akan berjalan sa-lewat2-nya sa-hingga pukul 8.00 malam ini kerana usul ini akan di-habiskan pada hari ini.
ini, dan saya Enche' Too Joon Hing (Telok Anson): Mr Speaker, Sir, as His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong has said in his Royal Speech, it is our special privilege as Members of this House to be able to represent and speak for the people and our nation.

I, therefore, feel that it is my duty on behalf of the people to comment on His Majesty's Speech the policies and plans for the forthcoming year are presented.
in which Sir, having heard the Royal Speech and gone through the special appendix to the Speech, I feel reluctant to say that there is nothing spectacular or new in the Government policies and plans for the coming year, but that rather it is a report of the activities the past of year.

the Government during Mr Speaker, Sir, speaking on Malay sia, I wish to reiterate on behalf of our Party—the United Democratic Party—our stand on this particular issue.
The United Democratic Party is not against Malaysia, but rather against the manner and method which the Alliance Government has employed in imposing the formation of Malaysia.

is against any undemo My Party cratic ramming-down-the-throat and method of forcing through Malaysia.

We are in favour of and support a Malaysia that would be brought about by the free will, consent and goodwill of the people of all these territories concerned.
It is indeed very unfortunate for an Alliance Member, the Honour able Senator Enche' T. H. Tan, to have to that those dependent on the communists.

I refer branded all those who are against Malaysia as communists or dependent on the remarks of Senator Enche' T. H. Tan in a press statement which appeared in the Straits Echo of the 4th May, 1963.

He attacked our Secretary- General, Dr Lim Chong Eu, in reply to a speech which Dr Lim Chong Eu made in Penang on the 10th March, 1963.
He has said those who oppose Malaysia are countries of the their satellites, communist bloc and and the com munists.

He also said that the United States, Australia, New Zealand, Thai few land, and Japan, countries, had expressed support for the creation of Malaysia.

Sir, if Senator T. H. Tan had named Indonesia, China and Russia as the communist countries which opposed Malaysia, I will not argue with him, but how about the Philippines?
We all know the Philippines are not communists, and we also know the Philippines are still against Malaysia.

Does Senator Tan say that the Philip pines are communists, because they also oppose Malaysia?

The answer is certainly, "No".

to name a that even today that Mr Speaker, Sir, in the Royal Speech, His Majesty has said, "the peoples of all the territories concerned are more than ever determined to go ahead on the scheduled date.
All those who have followed closely the course of deve lopments in the various territories are well aware that support for Malaysia has grown at an accelerated rate".

the Many heard Prime Minister that the people of the Borneo in favour of Malaysia.

If that is the situation, why is the Alliance afraid the people in those territories to decide freely for themselves what they want?
this morning from territories are to allow Sir, the Philippines and Indonesia have declared time and again in no uncertain terms that if the people of the Borneo territories are given the opportunity to decide for themselves on the formation of Malaysia, then they will not lay claim to Borneo or oppose Malaysia.
If the Alliance is so sure and certain of the people of these 379 28 MAY 1963 380 the Alliance to postpone until territories in that they want Malaysia, why not let them decide for themselves either by referendum, an election, or a plebiscite, so that once and for all the Philippines will not make a claim to Borneo and Indonesia will not oppose Malaysia?

Therefore, I call the upon formation the of Malaysia people of these territories are given the opportunity to decide for themselves.
Mr Speaker, Sir, with the formation of Malaysia, the Alliance has already indicated that further amendments will be made to our Constitution.

I appeal to the Government, particularly to the Honourable Prime Minister, to keep faith in the people and not to introduce any more amendments to our Consti tution.

You have already meddled enough with the major amendments to the Constitution, which have affected certain rights of the people living in this country.
For if you do, what is the there to prevent the revival of emotional feelings of to the people issues such as demand for delicate jus soli, multi-lingualism and official languages.

I wish to remind the Prime Minister that he was elected into power on the strength of the promise he made to the entire nation during the Alliance crisis on July 11 and 12, 1959, that there would be no change in our Constitution.
As it is, the Constitution has already been amended not only once but twice, and now it is going to be time.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I have said it before and I would say in this House again that the Prime Minister has no right to do so.

Therefore, I or mandate appeal to the Prime Minister, who has been held in esteem in the eyes of the people and who holds the confidence of the people, to consult the people the who have entrusted him with safeguarding our sacred charge of Constitution.
the members of the M.C.A., who claim to represent the Malayan Chinese, to refrain from amending the Constitution, their very own Consti because tution, safe is provision guarding our Constitution.

I also call upon in there amended third the for for Mr Speaker, Sir, next, I would like to touch on a matter concerning His the protection of in Perak, brought up Highness the Sultan of Perak.

Sir, although I am a Federal Citizen, I was born in Perak and educated in Perak, and I enjoy the Perak Government.
Therefore, it is only right and my duty that I owe my loyalty first to Perak.

As such, I take great exception on any attack made by any one who tries to ridicule the Sultan of Perak.

In this respect, I refer to the disrespectful remarks and the threats made on His Highness the Sultan of Perak by our Prime Minister.

As the Ruler of the State, it is His Highness' duty to look into the affairs of his State and to take an interest in the administration of his Government.
If he finds that his elected Government fails to discharge its duties properly or to serve his people well, it is his duty to criticise his Government, otherwise as the Ruler of the State he will be failing looking after the welfare and the interests of his subjects.

Therefore, how can the Prime Minister warn His Highness when he is discharging his duties in the in his State.
Does the Prime Minister want His Highness the Sultan of Perak not to utter a word when his subjects are suffering and to be a bad Ruler?— certainly not!

interests of his subjects in his duty towards the Alliance that Mr Speaker, Sir, I remember the the Alliance opposed in 1954 Election White Paper and got the Sultan of Johore to give his support to their protest.

It was all right then involve His to for to the Sultan of Johore Highness associate himself directly with the politics.
Again, the same year, in when His Highness the Sultan of Perak refused to meet the Alliance delegation in Kuala Kangsar over the same issue, the Alliance passed resolution requesting His Highness the Sultan of Perak the Menteri to remove Besar of Perak, because the latter had ill-advised His Highness the Sultan of Perak.

It was all right then for the the Sultan Alliance into politics, but not the Sultan himself for criticising his Government.

Let me give a word of warning in this House.


''Let no one try to ridicule by giving involve then to a 381 28 MAY 1963 382 any more warnings to my Ruler, His of Perak!"

the Sultan Highness (Laughter).

Otherwise, I won't be surprised if the people of Perak would advocate for their State from the Federation of Malaya.

(Laughter).

the cessation of Next, I would like to touch on the medical services of our nation.
I would like to quote certain parts of the speech made by the Health Minister when he addressed the Malayan Medical Asso ciation on the 13th of April, 1963, at Johore Bahru, in which he says: "As you are aware, Government has now embarked on an unprecedented expansion of the medical and health service, particularly in the rural areas, on which a sum of $145 million under the Second Five-Year Plan 1961-1965 alone will have been spent.
It is, therefore, most essential that more and more doctors should rally to this national call and support the Government in this hour of need.

The Government progressively endeavours to provide the country with a permanent expanding source of doctors, whose qualifications would be comparable to the best in the world."

The Minister further goes on to say— "The Government is not unaware, nor is it unsympathetic, in regard to just and fair claims and aspirations of our doctors.
It also has the full support of my Ministry the Govern and under consideration by ment."

to Mr Speaker, Sir, these are very considerate, encouraging and under standing words.

It is a call to our doctors for devotion their noble profession—sacrifice and service to our nation—particularly during the present expansion of the medical and health service of our nation.

However, Sir, why are our doctors reluctant to join the medical service?

Instead, we find more and more doctors resigning from our service.
During my Budget speech in last December, I have called upon the Minister to take note of the poor service schemes and in particular to relax the standard in language qualifi cations so that the doctors may devote their full time and efforts towards their service, instead of cracking their heads and worrying over problems of passing let us language.

Sir, the national consider examination language the which doctors must pass before they are confirmed and get their annual increments.
In the past doctors and dental surgeons in Division I and II were only required to pass an oral examination equivalent to Standard I within their probational period of three years.
But since 1957 doctors and to pass dental surgeons have had Standard I examination consisting of oral as well as written papers in the national language, failing which they will have their confirmation suspended and their increments forfeited irrespec tive of however highly qualified or proficient they may be in their respec tive professions.

I would remind the House not to be mislead by the term Standard I and have the impression that this examination is of a very low and easy standard.
I have here samples of the various papers set in the past for the unfortunate officers for your information, which I am sure will make even some of our Malay members in this House jittery at the thought of having to pass this very same exami nation.

I consider it of unnecessarily high standard and not in any way designed to test the proficiency of the candidates in the national language but rather to satisfy the ego of the persons responsible for it.

Sir, I have here .

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Mr Speaker: I hope you are not going to read the whole lot.

"Standard to the date of Enche' Too Joon Hing: Very, very short, not the whole lot, Sir.

It says here, I Examination— Translation from Malay, Translation into Malay and General Paper."

Now, what are the contents of the General Paper?

Simple questions on Malay manners and customs and on the history of Malaya from the foundation of Malacca up the signing of the Federation of Malaya Agreement.
Then it says, "Translation to and from Jawi and Conversation."

Conversation—of course, this the most logical and sensible part of the examination, which usually deals with the subject related to the respective professions of the candidates concerned, and this is the only examination which most of the candidates pass without any difficulty whatsoever.

Thus one can see that it is not so simple and easy as one thinks.
is 383 28 MAY 1963 384 Let us consider the examination from the practical point of the medical profession.

In what way is this exami nation helping the doctors and dental surgeons in proficiency and skill in their respective professions?

None at all, except the conversation part of the the examination which might help doctor or the dental surgeon in the course of his diagnosis to understand the patient's trouble.
Sir, we are well aware of the shortage of doctors in Government and in the hospitals and how these doctors are being over worked, day and night at times, and required to perform long duty hours including Sundays and holidays.

There fore, how can we expect them to find the extra time to put further efforts and energy to study and crack their heads over this senseless language examina tion.
It is of no wonder that so many of them feel disgustingly frustrated and are finally forced to resign, because no matter how hard they work and how good and efficient they may be in their work, their efforts and talents are not recognised and taken into consideration towards the confirmation of permanent service, annual increments in salary, and promotion of seniority in service unless and until they pass the language this examination.
As a unreasonable demand, we have not only lost doctors and dental surgeons from our medical service but we have also lost some of them who might have been leading specialists in their parti cular fields to serve our country had not this language examination barred them to proceeding further their medical studies.
No, Sir, the Ministry of Health is not prepared to language obstacle; and it is also not interested or concerned the efficiency and abilities of the doctors and dental surgeons, but is concerned with their ability to read and write the national language and to have a knowledge of Malay customs and ceremonies and also a knowledge of Malayan history, the study of which is entirely divorced from their respective professional fields.
It is all very well for the Ministry of Health to call on doctors and dental surgeons to make sacrifices and devote the their services relax or waive the needs of result of abroad from this to in time their country, but, on the other hand, would the Minister be prepared to urge the Government with a similar reciprocal spirit to waive the language obstacle so that more doctors and dental surgeons will remain in the service and to provide better devote health for the the people, so present programme of expansion of our medical and health services would not be hindered through the shortage of doctors?
The shortage of doctors and dental surgeons has become so acute that our Health Ministry has often made appeals to the Malayan Medical Association for private doctors to make sacrifices in the hour of the nation's urgent needs.

that rules on Mr Speaker, Sir, who suffers by these hard and the fast language qualification?

Not the people who had laid down all these conditions, but the people of this country who have to wait or die as a result of the shortage of doctors to attend to them.
The Acting Minister of Health in his written answer has again denied the truth that the language qualification was one of the main reasons causing many doctors and dental surgeons to resign from Government Service.

This is only an excuse to evade the issue, for the Government is fully aware, and has been aware for some time now, that they have lost many doctors and dental surgeons due to this language that bar.
It these doctors are much too ethical and dignified to criticise the Government on this delicate issue of the national resign.

Why language before there are should many other alternative doors open to them since the Ministry has failed to appreciate their sacrifices and sincere efforts to help the medical service.
is quite understandable they do so when they Sir, now the Government has turned to Philippines for help and is bringing in doctors who are completely unfami liar with local conditions and who have the the slightest knowledge of not Malay language, while the Government has driven out our local doctors who are quite capable spoken Malay and yet does something now its original which completely defeats purpose.
There is no use putting up their in 385 28 MAY 1963 386 clinics when there are no doctors to staff them.

It is just trying to deceive the rural people pretending to improve the rural health service.

It is nothing but a cheap propaganda.

to In such prefer interrupting as uprooting the past Indian doctors were employed on short term periods of three them to five years.

Some of have served even longer.

They are already familiar with local conditions.


Yet when their contracts were fulfilled they were told that their services were no longer required, resulting in many hardships, the the children's families, education, loss of contact in public practice, etc.

Yet in spite of the present shortage of doctors, their contracts were not renewed, but the Government rather employ Filipino doctors, who cannot even speak a word of Malay and whose qualifications are questionable, and send them to rural areas.
The health of the rural people will be affected due to the inexperience and these Filipino doctors.

If the Government is really sincere about the health conditions of the rural areas, let it, firstly, retain our local doctors in the Government Service by improv ing their service conditions, secondly, waiving or language relaxing requirement by only having an oral examination, and thirdly, by retaining the services of the Indian doctors who are already on contract here.
language difficulties improving the of the two major Sir, coming to Education, I would like to touch on the most controversial issue of the Alliance Education Policy, i.e., to make Malay the main medium of instruction in all schools as stated in paragraph 59 of the Special Appendix to the Royal Address of His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong.

This has issues been one of which has caused the Alliance crisis in 1959.
The Alliance is fully aware that this is one of the major issues which has been rejected by the Chinese schools and I say that the Alliance has no mandate to force this on all the National-type Secondary Schools as envisaged in the Razak Report, because in both its election manifestoes in 1955 that and 1959 Malay shall be the main medium of it was never stated reference instruction in all schools, as the terms the Razak Report in of clearly stated "to make Malay the National Language".
If the Alliance insists that the intention of the Alliance Education Policy is to make Malay the main medium of instruction, why have they not boldly included in their 1959 manifesto this item?

No, they would not.

They dared not.

They have not the courage to do so, because if they do, they would lose their support from the Chinese voters.
Therefore, I charge that the Alliance, until they obtain a mandate from the people, have no right now or in the future to enforce this issue in all National-type Chinese Secondary Schools; and if the Alliance insists on this, let them include it in the 1964 election manifesto as one of the main issues for the coming election.
extra is asking laboratories Sir, another point is that the Educa tion Department school managements to put up plans for the expansion of their school courses such as building for chemistry and physics and after having complied with the request the manage ments are told that their request for building extra rooms is refused.
Why doesn't the Education Department inform the managements right at the beginning that it would not approve such expansion instead of making the managements to put up plans and spending money and then after seven or eight months informing them that their request had been turned down?

Sir, this would in no way help provide better facilities in the schools, and also at the same time making people to spend money unnecessarily.

Therefore, I appeal to the Minister to look into matter.
In case the Education Depart intention of allowing ment has no these expansions, do not make the school managements to put up plans and spend unnecessary money.

to Thank you.
Enche' Mohamed bint Ujang (Jelebu- Jempol): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam mengambil perbahathan bahagian uchapan terima kaseh di-atas Titah di- Raja ini, sa-belum saya beruchap, saya suka mengambil peluang ini untok mendo'akan mudah2an pemergian Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri 387 28 MAY 1963 388 kita ka-Tokyo itu akan dapat menyelesai- hadapi yang kan masaalah sekarang ini ia-itu Malaysia, saya yakin dan perchaya bahawa Ahli2 Yang Berhormat di-Dewan Ra'ayat ini akan bersama2 dengan saya mendo'akan Teramat Mulia pemergian Yang Tunku Perdana Menteri untok menye- lesaikan masaalah Malaysia itu.
ta'at ada-lah Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tadi kita telah mendengar uchapan Ahli Yang Ber hormat dari Telok Anson yang berdiri dan berchakap dengan megah-nya dan dengan suara yang lantang mengatakan bahawa beliau setia kapada Duli Yang Maha Mulia Sultan Perak.
Apa yang saya harap, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-muga apa yang di-katakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhor mat itu ada-lah sa-benar-nya, kerana saya berasa churiga—chukup churiga kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat itu, oleh sebab pada suatu masa dahulu beliau tugas untok menjadi telah di-beri Menteri Muda Pelajaran dan telah menjadi wakil Malaya di-Bangsa2 Ber- satu di-mana telah berlaku satu per- ia-itu dia telah dudok dalam istiwa satu jamuan yang di-adakan oleh Kerajaan Mr Speaker: Order!

Order!
Order!

Ada-lah salah dalam peratoran ini, jika menye- butkan salah sangka bagi sa-saorang itu, itu impute ta' boleh—ta' boleh improper motives!

di-Pertua, Enche' Mohamed bin; Ujang: Tuan tadi Ahli Yang Yang Berhormat dari Telok Apson telah berchakap berkenaan dengan mentad- birkan negeri Perak dengan mengata kan bahawa Duli Yang Maha Mulia Sultan itu ada berhak mengeluarkan fikiran dan sa-bagai-nya dalam men- tadbirkan negeri-nya.
Saya rasa Ahli Yang Berhormat itu tidak mempelajari dan mengetahui benar2 tentang Per- lembagaan Negeri2 pada masa ini, kerana di-dalam Perlembagaan sa-sa- buah Negeri ia-itu itu ada tiap2 Duli2 Yang Maha Mulia Raja2 itu hendak-lah menjalankan Melayu dengan nasihat ahli2 pekerjaan-nya Exco-nya.

Saya ta' tahu-lah apa yang akan terjadi kalau parti-nya itu meme- rentah negeri ini nanti apa yang akan di-buat-nya terhadap Sultan2.

Ada-kah tertulis Ahli Yang Berhormat itu akan menyu- roh Sultan2 berkempen?
Tuan Yang di- Pertua, di-dalam Perlembagaan Negeri2 Duli Yang Maha Mulia Sultan2 ada-lah mengikut nasihat Exco.

Tadi Ahli Yang Berhormat itu ada menyebutkan ia-itu pada masa sa-belum merdeka dahulu, Duli Yang Maha Mulia Sultan Johor ada berchakap tentang perkara men- tadbirkan negeri-nya.
Saya suka hendak menerangkan kapada Ahli Yang Ber hormat itu ia-itu keadaan pada masa dahulu daripada ada-lah berlainan keadaan masa sekarang, kerana pada masa dahulu, Duli Yang Maha Mulia Sultan2 ada berkuasa penoh tetapi sekarang ada-lah berlainan, kerana pada masa sekarang ini Sultan2 tidak boleh menchampori keadaan politik di-dalam Negeri-nya.

Saya harap Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Telok Anson itu akan mengambil ingatan dalam soal ini.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-menjak parti U.D.P.

ini di-tubohkan.
ini di-tubohkan.

saya telah ingin benar hendak mendengar pen- dirian parti tersebut berkenaan dengan soal pelajaran.

Soal ini telah berkali2 di-kemukakan kapada Yang di-Pertua Parti itu, Dato' Zainal Abidin, tetapi nampak-nya Dato' itu tidak menjawab dengan tepat, dan kita telah mendapat jawapan dari Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Telok Anson, ia-itu pendirian-nya ada-lah sama dengan P.P.P.
Ini ada-lah satu penerangan ta'at setia-nya kapada soal ini berhubong dengan negeri pelajaran Enche' Too Joon Hing: On a point of order, you will hear it soon!

itu Enche' Mohamed bin Ujang: Saya uchapkan terima kaseh.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam soal pelajaran ini, saya suka hendak berchakap dan hendak menerangkan kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat ia-itu perkara yang di-chakapkan-nya itu nampak-nya ta' ada perkara lain, balek2 dia menga takan yang kita ini tidak ada mem- punyai mandate bagi membuat dasar pelajaran dan sa-bagai-nya.
Tadi Ahli Yang Berhormat itu telah berchakap berkenaan dengan pindaan Perlem bagaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu yang mana beliau itu telah menyatakan bahawa kita tidak ada mandate dari 389 28 MAY 1963 390 ini itu; Juga berkenaan istilah-nya ra'ayat, dari tidak boleh itu kita meminda Perlembagaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu.

Dalam Perlembagaan memang ada bab yang membenarkan kita meminda Perlembagaan itu tidak penting, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tetapi soal yang kita hadapi sekarang ini ia-lah soal Malaysia.
Jikalau pin- daan Perlembagaan tidak di-bawa ka- dalam meshuarat ini, macham mana kita hendak menubohkan Malaysia?

telah banyak di- Soal Malaysia uchapkan oleh pehak2 pembangkang, tetapi apa yang saya kesalkan sangat ia-lah uchapan2 itu sa-rupa dengan pendirian, atau uchapan2 dari Parti ini, Komunis di-luar negeri.
Perkara saya rasa bukan perkara yang terjadi, tetapi perkara yang sengaja di-buat, dan boleh saya katakan, atau pun boleh saya anggap bahawa mereka itu berchakap dalam Dewan ini ia-lah bagi pehak yang tatkala tertentu.

membuka perbahathan dalam Dewan Ra'ayat ini dahulu, Ahli Yang Ber- hormat dari Bachok telah menerang- dengan kan demokrasi dalam negeri ini.
Beliau telah menerangkan ia-itu pada pen- dapat-nya, demokrasi dalam negeri ini ia-lah memberi tempat hak kapada yang hak, ma'ana-nya tiap2 apa juga hasil, atau kemewahan, atau pertim- bangan dalam negeri ini hendak-lah orang2 keutamaan di-beri Melayu, tetapi pada pendapat Ahli P.P.P.
pula demokrasi dalam negeri ini hendak di-jalankan dengan sama rata, ia-itu siapa juga yang menjadi ra'ayat dalam negeri ini hendak-lah di-beri pertimbangan yang sama, ma'ana-nya istimewa orang2 Melayu itu hak hendak-lah di-beri kapada bangsa2 lain.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, telah berkali2 di-nyatakan dalam Dewan ini pendirian Kerajaan Perikatan berkenaan dengan demokrasi dalam negeri ini ia-lah kita hendak-lah memberi hak itu kapada yang hak sa-bagaimana yang di-nya takan oleh pehak PAS ia-itu keistimewaan orang Melayu itu hendak- lah ada, tetapi kita memberi layanan yang baik dan adil walau kapada siapa ta'at setia kapada negeri ini.
Jadi, dalam soal ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita dapati perba hathan atau pertentangan pendapat jua yang kapada tadi di-antara dua parti ini dan saperti ranchangan yang kita biasa dalam sudah dapat persamaan, tetapi dengan ada-nya perbahathan di-antara dua parti ini, bagi saya dasar yang kita jalankan sekarang ini ada-lah yang ter- baik bagi negeri ini.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, telah menjadi kelaziman dalam Dewan ini apabila kita berbahath satu2 perkara, pehak Pembangkang kerap-kali mendatang- tudohan2—tudohan2 yang kan liar, yang tidak berasas sama sa-kali.

Jadi berkenaan dengan tudohan tadi Yang Teramat Mulia Perdana Menteri telah sa-benar2-nya, dengan menerangkan dan Yang Teramat Mulia Perdana Menteri telah dapat kesanggupan dari- pada Yang Berhormat dari Kuala ia-itu beliau akan membuat Langat itu di-luar Dewan ini.
Dan tudohan kita menunggu bila-kah Yang Berhor mat itu akan menyambut chabaran Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku.

Kita dalam Dewan ini ada-lah memandang penting tentang soal yang sa-umpama tudohan yang sa- itu, kerana umpama tidak di-jawab oleh Kerajaan boleh menge- lirukan ra'ayat.

Tudohan memang boleh di-buat, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.


Mithal- nya, saya boleh menudoh Yang Ber hormat dari Bungsar ia-itu apabila dia datang ka-Bahau dahulu telah me- mungut wang daripada Socialist Front di-sana sa-banyak $800 sampai se karang ini tidak berganti.

Soal yang sa-umpama jadi panjang kalau tidak di-jawab.

Saya sendiri tidak boleh buktikan tudohan saya itu, tetapi tudohan memang ada.

Oleh itu sa- bagaimana yang saya katakan tudohan liar yang sa-umpama itu jangan di-buat lagi.
itu di-buat dengan ini akan jika Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bekas Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Bekerjasama juga telah membuat tudohan mengata- kan Kerajaan ini sa-lain daripada corruption telah tidak dapat menjalan- kan pentadbiran dengan baik dan apa2 ranchangan semua-nya tidak dapat di-jalankan.
Saya suka menarek per- hatian Majlis ini ia-itu sa-masa beliau menjadi Menteri dahulu bermacham2 ranchangan telah di-buat-nya, dan sa- bagaimana yang di-terangkan oleh 391 28 MAY 1963 392 itu teringat Yang Berhormat Perdana Menteri tadi satu ranchangan pun tidak dapat di- sa-kali jayakan-nya.

Saya dahulu Yang Berhormat telah membuat ranchangan berkenaan de ngan pemulehan sa-mula bekas2 Special Constabulary di-Perak di-mana wang $300,000 telah di-belanjakan.
Saya hendak tahu daripada beliau itu apa- jadi kapada wang yang kah $300,000 ran telah di-batalkan, dan changan wang yang $300,000 itu hanyut sahaja.

Jadi dalam soal ini, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, kita di-dalam Dewan ini sa- belum hendak membuat tudohan itu hendak-lah kita selidiki, dan jangan-lah kita membuat tudohan liar sa-bagai- mana yang saya katakan tadi.

itu?
itu?

Dan saya itu telah tahu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Parti Per ikatan memang suka, menerima dan membenarkan apa2 juga tegoran atau apa2 juga pendirian parti2 siasah, kerana kita perchaya dengan kebebasan berchakap dan kebebasan membuat parti politik, tetapi memang-lah kita tidak bersetuju kalau satu2 parti politik itu mendapat arahan daripada parti yang ini.
tidak ada dalam negeri Ma'ana-nya kalau satu parti politik itu tidak ada polisi-nya sendiri, ia-itu dapat arahan daripada negara lain, maka parti itu harus kita tidak benar- kan. Jadi sa-bagaimana yang saya katakan tadi banyak parti2 politik di- di- sini mengeluarkan Dewan atau menyuarakan mereka yang tidak ada di-sini.
ini mempertahankan suara-nya itu-lah Saya rasa sa-takat sahaja yang saya dapat mengambil bahagian dalam perbahathan ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dan saya harap benar-lah tudohan yang liar saperti itu tidak lagi di-timbulkan dalam Dewan ini pada masa yang akan datang.
sukachita-nya Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman (Seberang Tengah): Tuan Yang di- Pertua, dengan saya lagi mengambil ke- bangun sa-kali sempatan pendudok bagi Seberang Tengah, Bukit Mertajam, lebeh daripada 90,000 orang yang menguchapkan tahniah dan shukor, terima kaseh kapada Titah Kebawah Duli Yang Maha Mulia Seri Paduka pehak kapada Baginda Yang di-Pertuan Agong.
Pen dudok2 di-Seberang Tengah, Bukit Mertajam, ada-lah berasa megah dan menguchapkan terima kaseh kapada Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kerana memberi kehormatan saya menjadi penyokong pertama dalam usul yang asal yang di-kemukakan oleh rakan saya Yang Berhormat dari Port Dickson.

Titah di-Raja ini sunggoh pun pendek tepat, tetapi ada-lah padat, tegas dan penting.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Titah uchapan di-Raja ini pada kese- lurohan-nya ada-lah menjadi bukti bahawa Kerajaan Perikatan telah me- nunaikan janji2-nya terhadap ra'ayat, dan akan terus bagitu dengan penoh tanggong-jawab untok keamanan, ke- ma'amoran dan kebahagian, sama ada dasar dalam negeri mahu pun dasar luar negeri.

Kerajaan Perikatan akan ia-itu menuju kapada matlamat-nya untok keamanan, kema'amoran dan kebahagian.
Hasrat kita di-Malaya ini bukan sahaja untok mengekalkan ke- tenteraman bagi dunia di-sabelah sini juga untok bekerjasama bagi tetapi masaalah kita bersama, terutama sa-kali masaalah2 yang dapat memberi kese- jahteraan kapada ra'ayat.

Saya juga berserta berdo'a dengan rakan saya Yang Berhormat dari Jelebu-Jempol agar Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku Abdul Rahman akan berjaya di-dalam persidangan-nya yang tidak berapa hari lagi itu.
Kita tahu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ia-itu banyak pelawat dari luar negeri yang datang ka-negeri ini telah memuji2 usaha dan tentang dasar pembangunan luar bandar.

Boleh di-katakan pakar2 yang datang dari luar negeri itu menganggap Persekutuan Tanah Melayu ini ada-lah satu pusat latehan bagi ranchangan luar bandar.
tenaga Kerajaan Kerajaan telah menyediakan segala kemudahan saperti kelinik2 untok ibu2 yang mengandong dan anak2 kechil, sekolah2 bagi murid2, balai2 raya dan padang2 permainan bagi pemuda pe- mudi, surau2 dan masjid2 bagi orang2 dewasa, pendek kata daripada bayi yang baharu lahir sa-hingga dewasa sampai ka-kubor Kerajaan telah mem beri kemudahan.
Sunggoh pun bagitu Panglima Pembangunan Luar Bandar ia-itu Yang Amat Berhormat Tun Abdul 393 28 MAY 1963 394 Razak berikrar dan berusaha mengada- kan lagi berbagai2 project atau ran- changan untok meninggikan taraf hidup orang2 kampong.

Tuan S. Schola telah mengumumkan di-Kuala Lumpur pada lalu bulan Disember tahun yang bahawa Kerajaan Persekutuan telah mengambil langkah2 yang tegas tentang hendak memperbaiki keadaan hidup kawasan luar bandar dan dalam bandar.
Kata beliau lagi: "Saya fikir ini ada-lah satu kejayaan yang luar biasa pada pehak Kerajaan Per sekutuan."

Kita berasa shukur sa-bagai ra'ayat yang merdeka hidup aman dan serta ma'amor dan dengan damai hasrat ini-lah kita memperjuangkan nasib ra'ayat di-wilayah Brunei yang maseh terjajah, bukan sahaja untok bebas daripada perhambaan, tetapi juga bebas, merdeka, ma'amor dan di-dalam kebahagiaan.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di- dalam uchapan Titah di-Raja ini pada tiap2 penggal selalu Duli Yang Maha Mulia menitekberatkan soal tanggong- jawab ahli2 Dewan Ra'ayat.

Di-sini saya bachakan: "Tuan2 dan puan2 ada-lah mempunyai keistimewaan mewakili ra'ayat dan me- nyuarakan kehendak2 mereka pada ketika kita sedang menchipta sejarah".

Muka 2 pula: "Tuan2 dan puan2 akan mengutamakan kepentingan negara".
Akan tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berasa dukachita dan kesal yang amat sangat menyatakan ia-itu maseh ada lagi Ahli2 Yang Berhormat di-Dewan ini yang tidak sadikit mengindahkan segala nasihat2 Seri Paduka Baginda itu.

Kita tahu ia-itu Persekutuan Tanah Melayu yang di-pimpin oleh Kerajaan ia-lah negara yang benar2 Perikatan merdeka dan bebas walau pun di-ejek2 dan di-keji yang mengatakan merdeka sa-tengah masak, tetapi padahal warga negara Persekutuan ini bebas berfikir, lain2-nya.
Saya bebas bergerak dan hairan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, oleh sebab ada sikap sa-tengah2 Yang Ber hormat di-sabelah sana saperti Ahli2 Yang Berhormat dari PAS ia-itu pemimpin2 PAS.

Di-sa'at negara kita sedang di-musohi oleh negara tetangga kita, di-masa seluroh ra'ayat membuat persediaan untok mempertahankan demokrasi, maka apa-kah yang di-buat oleh pemimpin2 PAS?

Mereka hanya kata orang—menanggok di-ayer yang keroh.
Yang Berhormat dari Bachok dan juga dari Ipoh masing2 menuntut kebe- basan mereka dengan suara yang lan- tang, mereka menudoh Kerajaan tidak mempunyai kebebasan, tidak mem- punyai tanggong-jawab.

Kebebasan bagi PAS ada-lah berlainan dengan kebebasan yang di-kehendaki oleh PPP atau UDP, kalau negara kominis juga ada kebebasan-nya yang tertentu ia-itu kebebasan-nya yang tersendiri.

Kata pepatah Inggeris: "Freedom means so many things to so many peoples".
Jadi tidak dapat-lah kita dan susah hendak mensesuaikan kehendak2 sa-suatu parti atau sa-suatu idiology politik itu.
PAS dalam uchapan2-nya kita selalu dengar dalam Dewan ini telah menyuarakan dengan suara yang lantang hendak membela hak orang Melayu dan PPP hendak membela hak orang2 China, tetapi saya hairan, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, oleh sebab kita tahu lima enam bulan dahulu PAS telah juga berikhtiar membuka pintu parti-nya untok me- narek orang2 yang bukan Islam masok di-dalam rumah atau pintu PAS, sa- telah chadangan itu gagal maka se- karang pula telah tergamak ahli2 PAS masok pintu dan masok kelambu bersama2 dudok berkhalwat dengan PPP dan UDP (Ketawa).
Ini satu per- kara yang saya chukup hairan sa- kali Mr Speaker: Kalimah "khalwat" tidak boleh di-pakai—tarek balek.

tarek balek idiology parti Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Saya (Ketawa).

Tetapi tujuan dan kedudokan parti-nya sangat berlainan saperti langit dengan bumi ia-itu Islam dengan idiology parti PPP dan UDP, sebab itu- lah saya katakan dengan parkataan yang saya tarek balek tadi (Ketawa).
Itu-lah hasrat parti Islam dengan me- masok pintu dan masok kelambu dudok bersama2 dengan parti pembangkang yang berlainan idiology-nya yang hanya satu tujuan sahaja ia-lah hendak me- numbangkan Kerajaan Perikatan.

Enche' Mohd.

Asri bin Haji Muda (Pasir Puteh): Untok penjelasan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-benar-nya belum ada lagi satu United Front untok menumbangkan parti Perikatan.

395 28 MAY 1963 396 Mr Speaker: Belum ada lagi front— tinggalkan bagitu sahaja.

Proceed!
Proceed!

Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Kita tahu PAS pandai menudoh Kerajaan dan saya mithalkan ada-lah sa-bagai burong kasturi, ostrich di- Australia yang tabi'at-nya selalu chari benamkan lubang kepala-nya itu; dan ekor serta dalam badan-nya yang itu difikir-nya orang ta' nampak.

terburai di-luar dan lubang Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Sir, on a point of information .

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.. Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: I have no time.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Ostrich do not look for holes.

Mr Speaker: Please proceed.


Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Saya minta dan saya berharap, bukan sahaja daripada PAS bagitu juga dari- pada Socialist Front jangan-lah sa- bagai kata pepatah Melayu: "Ayam bapak yang kokok-nya berderai2, tetapi tahi."
ekor-nya bergelumang dengan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita di-Per- sekutuan ini menjalankan dasar demo- ia-itu demokrasi berparlimen krasi maka demikian-lah juga kalau Per- sekutuan Malaysia yang akan tertuboh nanti, teraju pentadbiran negara akan di-pegang oleh wakil2 ra'ayat yang di- pileh oleh ra'ayat menerusi pilehan raya maka yang demikian dasar negara Persekutuan ini mahu pun dasar luar atau dasar dalam negara ada-lah ber- dasarkan dengan kehendak suara yang banyak bukan dengan suara yang sadikit dalam Dewan ini.
Sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, kapada wakil Ipoh yang selalu bila beruchap dalam Dewan ini saya berasa kechiwa oleh sebab perkara2 tidak patut di-uchapkan yang yang boleh menyakitkan hati antara kaum itu di-uchapkan dalam Dewan ini, kerana kita tahu tabi'at orang Melayu ada-lah satu bangsa yang sabar, satu bangsa yang pendiam dan orang Melayu juga ada-lah satu bangsa yang suka mengamok dan tidak suka men- dengar gendang raya berbunyi pada masa yang tentu.
Jadi, saya minta-lah kapada Yang Berhormat itu berjaga2 sadikit apabila beruchap ber- tidak kenaan dengan satu2 kaum yang akan menyakitkan hati satu2 kaum.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita banyak terdengar di-antara ahli2 yang beruchap dua hari yang lalu .

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.. Mr Speaker: Berapa panjang lagi?

Sudah habis-kah belum?

Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Belum, panjang lagi.

Mr Speaker: Order!

Order!

The time to is suspended is up.

The House 4.30 this afternoon.

Sitting suspended at 1 p.m.
Sitting resumed at 4.30 p.m. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) EXEMPTED BUSINESS (Motion) The Deputy Prime Minister (Tun Haji Abdul Razak): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move, That the proceedings of the House this day relative to the Address of Thanks to His Majesty shall be exempted from the provi sions of Standing Order 12 (1) until 8.00 p.m., and, unless the debate thereon shall have come that hour, Mr Speaker shall thereupon put all necessary the questions the House proceedings on to a conclusion.
to a close before said motion to bring the to The Minister of Internal Security and Minister of the Interior (Dato9 Dr Ismail): Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That the proceedings of the House this day relative to the Address of Thanks to His Majesty shall be exempted from the provi sions of Standing Order 12 (1) until 8.00 p.m., and, unless the debate thereon shall have come that hour, Mr Speaker shall thereupon put all necessary the questions the House proceedings on to a conclusion.
to a close before said motion to bring the to MOTION THE YANG DI-PERTUAN AGONG'S SPEECH Address of Thanks Order read for resumption of debate on Question : "That an humble Address be present ed to His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan 397 28 MAY 1963 398 Agong as follows: "Your Majesty, We, the Speaker and Members of the the Federation of Dewan Ra'ayat of Malaya in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer Your Majesty our humble thanks for the Gracious Speech with which the Fifth Session of Parliament has been opened.
"; with amendment by Enche' Zulkiftee bin Muhammad to delete the full-stop and add at following the end words: the "but regrets that the Gracious Speech does not mention specific and effective steps and plans to assist Malays in commerce and Industry and does not specify the efforts and plans of His Majesty's Government to wipe out colonialism in the four Malay provinces in Southern Thailand by peaceful means."
Debate resumed, Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-dalam uchapan Titah di-Raja pada muka 2 ada ber- bunyi: .

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.Beta yakin oleh kerana semua ahli Dewan Negara dan Dewan Ra'ayat sedar akan penting-nya kemajuan yang berlaku sekarang dan kejadian2 pada masa hadapan, maka tuan2 dan puan2 akan mengutamakan ke- pentingan2 negara dengan semangat per- paduan yang tulin .
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita dapati dalam negeri ini chorak politik party2 Pembangkang tidak-lah menguntong- kan kapada bangsa dan negara malah merugikan semua sa-kali.

Di-sebalek- tanggong- nya membayangkan jawab-nya untok memelihara maruah bangsa dan mengawal kehormatan negara maka pemimpin2 ini ada-lah bachol untok mempertahankan maruah negara.

rasa Mr Speaker: Order!

Order!

Jangan menggunakan perkataan bachol itu.


Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Pemimpin2 ini takut tidak berani ber- tanggong-jawab untok mempertahan kan maruah negara.

Ahli2 Yang Berhormat dalam Dewan ini tentu-lah tahu bahawa ini-lah masa-nya kita mesti berganding bahu.
Dalam soal kebangsaan apabila negara kita terancham party2 ini tidak mahu mengendahkan atau tidak mahu mengambil peduli sama sa-kali tetapi menunjokkan belang dan chorak, ini- national atau kah yang di-namakan ra'ayat Perse- kutuan Tanah Melayu?

semenjak Soal Malaysia dalam muka 5 ini, saya suka mengambil bahagian; boleh di-katakan sa-panjang Titah di-Raja ini banyak Ahli2 Yang Berhormat telah lebar berkenaan beruchap panjang dengan soal ini.
Kita telah mendapat sokongan Malaysia per- sidangan Perdana Menteri Common wealth pada tahun lalu.

Dan baharu2 ini Tuan Jawaharlal Nehru, Perdana Menteri India berkata, "kami meman- dang satu kesatuan saperti Malaysia akan menjadi ka-arah menghapuskan pemerentahan penjajah".
Tuan C. V. Setia Usaha Rendah Narasimhan Bangsa2 Bersatu berkata baharu2 ini sa-lepas daripada kunjongan-nya di- wilayah Borneo dia dapati pemimpin2 ra'ayat di-wilayah Borneo yakin baha wa pembentokan Persatuan Malaysia akan di-chipta dan akan menchapai ke- merdekaan dan mendapat kema'amoran.

Dan juga dalam Utusan Melayu pada hari telah membacha berkenaah dengan paiidangan yang di-dapati oleh tiga orang Ahli Parli- men British dari Party Buroh yang sahaja melawat di-wilayah2 baharu Borneo.
Sunggoh pun ada negara yang memandang Tanah Melayu ini sa-bagai melukut di-tepi gantang memandang kechil, hina dan burok tetapi saya perchaya manusia di-dalam negeri ini sendiri memandang chantek dari pan- dangan mata-nya.
Saya suka sebutkan kata2 dari tuan C. V. Narasimhan Setia Usaha Rendah Bangsa2 Bersatu; saya bachakan di-sini: ini kita pun louder the maxim, deeds speak "Mr C. V. Narasimhan today said that Malaya was a powerful force in the Afro- Asian Bloc in the United Nations because of her dignity, restraint and tolerance.

As in than words.

Malaya knows when to speak and when to say nothing.
I only hope that other Asian nations can follow your country's example and keep their mouth shut and speak only at the right time."

Ini ada-lah kata2 daripada tuan C.V. Narasimhan.


Kita dapat tahu baharu2 ini dua orang ahli Barisan Socialist atau Party Socialist mengadakan per- jumpaan "di-Ghin Woo, bekas Yang Berhormat Menteri Pertanian telah menyeru ra'ayat Persekutuan Tanah Melayu ini menumbangkan Kerajaan 399 28 MAY 1963 400 itu Perikatan dengan enara berpelemba- ini amat-lah di-kesalkan—gera- gaan, kan menumbangkan pemerentah yang di-pileh oleh ra'ayat yang menjalankan dasar yang berparlimen.
Ra'ayat ta'at setia yang tidak berbelah bagi hendak-lah di-satukan menentang sa- hingga titisan darah yang akhir untok mempertahankan negeri ini.

Soal Malay sia ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-lah ada-lah soal negara oleh ra'ayat tanggong-jawab bagi party2 juga dalam negeri ini berdiri dalam menghadapi konfrantasi negara2 itu demi kepentingan keselamatan dan maruah negara yang kita chinta.
Tetapi, sikap parti2 pembangkang ada-lah meng- ambil kesempatan untok menghentam dasar luar negeri pemerentah berkaitan dengan Malaysia dalam sa'at negara sedang sibok menghadapi dasar pe- nentangan dari sa-buah negara asing ia-itu Indonesia ada-lah sangat2 di- kesalkan.

ini semua Pembangkang luar itu ada-lah Dasar parti2 pembangkang dalam masaalah Indonesia dan konfrantasi- nya jelas menunjokkaa belang dan sikap-nya ia-itu tiada meng- untongkan bagi Kerajaan, ra'ayat dan negara.
Dengan terang ini menunjokkan yang mereka anti kepentingan national.

Chuba kita lihat apa yang berlaku dan apa yang di-buat oleh semua parti di-India, baik parti pemerentah, mahu pun parti pembangkang termasok Parti Komunis India.

Mereka dengan sa- suara bersama2 dengan pe bulat merentah menentang soal sempadan.
Ini menunjokkan bahawa parti2 pem benar2 bangkang berjuang untok kepentingan negara dan bangsa, malang-nya parti2 pem bangkang dalam negeri ini ada-lah berchorak opportunist, bukan nationa list, kerana sendiri Ini daripada kepentingan national.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-lah sangat2 di-kesalkan.


faedah diri-nya di-India ada-lah dan seluroh Malaya ra'ayat-nya ada-lah sentiasa berharap supaya per- hubongan di-antara Tanah Melayu dengan Indonesia tegoh dan baik, kerana kedua2 buah negara itu mempunyai satu kebudayaan dan bangsa2-nya juga ada-lah terdiri dari satu rumpun dan sa-darah sa-daging.
itu menjadi Kita di-Malaya dan Kerajaan Perse- kutuan Tanah Melayu tidak sa-kali2 berniat hendak memenchilkan Indo nesia, atau pun hendak mengancham Indonesia, tetapi kalau-lah masaalah maruah, maruah pemimpin dan maruah telah di-singgong maka kita negara tidak boleh berdiam diri dan mem- benarkan di-perhinakan.

kita Penghinaan2 terhadap Bapa Kemer- dekaan Malaya dan pemimpin2 Malaya oleh tidak ra'ayat Malaya.
Penghinaan kapada Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri ada-lah di-anggap sa-bagai satu penghinaan kapada seluroh ra'ayat Persekutuan Tanah Melayu.

di-terima dapat akan diri Dasar konfrantasi terhadap Malaya dan kechaman2 terhadap Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana Menteri ada-lah satu galakan kapada ra'ayat Malaya untok membela Kerajaan dan Perdana Menteri-nya.
Kenyataan dan sokongan ini datang-nya bukan dengan desakan, atau paksaan dari sa-siapa juga pun, tetapi ada-lah terbit-nya dari hati yang jujur, yang bersifat perwira dan sedar tentang rna'ana-nya kebebasan yang sa-jati.

Tuan Yang Terutama Pesurohjaya New Zealand, C. M. Bennet ada mengatakan di-sini ia-itu: In the person of your Prime Minister, Tunku Abdul Rahman, we see a statesman of indeed a man of destiny.
the first rank and Dan di-Kuala Lumpur ini juga Tuan Brockway ia-itu juruchakap Parliament Inggeris dan juga Tuan Arthur Boo- tomley telah memuji2 Perdana Menteri kita ia-itu sa-bagai sa-orang Perdana Menteri yang chekap.
Saya uchapkan terima kaseh dan bershukur kapada Tuhan, sunggoh pun parti2 pembangkang dalam Dewan ini, saya katakan tadi tidak bertanggong jawab, walau pun bagitu kita patut uchapkan terima kaseh kapada pekerja2 lombong yang tiada jadi mogok pada tempoh hari dahulu di-mana sa-ramai 15,000 orang pekerja2 lombong pada bulan March ada-lah lalu tahun menunjokkan bahawa waktu negara kita telah terancham, demi kepentingan negara, ra'ayat dari semua gulongan di-belakang Yang ada-lah berdiri 401 28 MAY 1963 Teramat Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri dan berdiri di-belakang Kerajaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu.
Dan juga perbuatan yang menghina bagi negara kita oleh sa-orang Ketua Negara dengan menyanyikan lagu Terang Bulan.

Ini ada-lah satu penghinaan yang merupakan penghinaan sa-chara langsong terhadap ra'ayat dan Kera jaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu, saperti bendera, maka lagu kebangsaan ada-lah lambang bagi seluroh negara.
Lambang itu biasa-nya di-pertahankan dengan titisan darah ra'ayat; sa-suatu yang tidak boleh di-persendakan, atau di-permainkan, dan sudah tentu tentang perbuatan penghinaan itu di-lakukan oleh sa-siapa juga, tetapi saya berasa dukachita ia-itu pemimpin Parti Islam sa-Tanah Melayu apabila di-tanya oleh warta- wan, saya ingat wartawan Utusan Melayu ia-itu apa-kah pendapat tuan berkenaan dengan perkara ini.

Jawab- nya: No comment.


tiada rela ra'ayat Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Malaysia, mengikut pendapat dan pakar2 dari- pada gulongan Komunis dan pro- Komunis.

Malaysia akan di-kendalikan oleh anak2 negeri Persekutuan Tanah Melayu yang berlumuran dengan darah, kerana melakukan pembunuhan ter hadap penjuang2 kemerdekaan Per sekutuan Tanah Melayu dahulu.

Maksud-nya orang yang mematahkan perjuangan Komunis di-Persekutuan Tanah Melayu.
Orang2 daripada gulongan ini ia-itu orang2 yang ber- simpati dengan perjuangan Komunis, baik di-Singapura mahu pun di-Per sekutuan Tanah Melayu dan di-mana juga pun, anggap ia-itu orang2 Komunis yang melakukan kekejaman dan pem- bunohan di-Persekutuan Tanah Melayu sa-lama 12 tahun itu ada-lah sa-bagai patriot—penjuang kemerdekaan, pen juang kebebasan.

Mereka2 itu-lah sa-benar-nya patriot perjuangan ke rana membunoh dan merampas harta- benda manusia yang tidak berdosa.
Orang2 Komunis dan pro-Komunis menganggap Kerajaan Perikatan yang telah di-beri mandate oleh ra'ayat untok mendapatkan kemerdekaan dan memerentah negeri ini ada-lah sa- bagai patong, atau boneka penjajah.

Ini tiada hairan, oleh sebab propa lagi, sa-benar-nya 402 ganda Komunis memang enak2 kita dengar.

Modal besar Komunis, kalau di-mana2 juga pun ia-lah imperialist, capitalist, neo-colonialist dan berbagai2 list tetapi apabila di-fikirkan sa-mula ternyata-lah Komunis itu-lah yang neo-colonialist.
Komunis ingin menjajah dunia dengan ideology yang di-kutok dan di-laknat oleh Tuhan.

Orang2 Komunis dan kunchu2-nya saperti Socialist Front dan Barisan Sosialis di-Singapura harus mengerti Malaysia insha'Allah mesti tertuboh.

Ra'ayat Malaysia dengan jiwa nationalist-nya yang tulin serta dengan pertolongan Allah yang maha berkuasa akan berganding bahu untok Malaysia.
terima kaseh, sedang berusaha Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam uchapan Titah di-Raja ini, Duli Yang Maha Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda Yang di-Pertuan Agong ada menyebutkan berkenaan dengan usaha2 untok mem- perbesarkan angkatan bersenjata dan dalam hujongan-nya ada tersebut ia-itu Kerajaan sedang berusaha bagi menga- dakan rumah2 polis sa-bagai mengganti- kan rumah2 yang di-bena oleh penjajah dahulu.
Saya di-sini menguchapkan kerana berbanyak untok Kerajaan mengadakan rumah2 juga memandangkan perkhidmatan polis dan askar di-Raja yang chemerlang itu, maka saya mengalu2 menguchap kan terima kaseh dan tahniah kapada mereka, dan dalam usaha Kerajaan pula hendak menyemak sa-mula gaji2 pasokan polis di-Raja ini, saya berharap agar tangga gaji yang akan di-tentu- kan itu hendak-lah bersesuaian dengan kerja2 mereka dan hendak-lah di-per- chepatkan menjelang-nya lahir negara Persekutuan Malaysia nanti.
itu, dan Berchakap berkenaan dengan peranan surat khabar dalam negeri ini, saya tahniah kapada war menguchapkan tawan2 ia-itu peranan2 yang di-mainkan oleh surat2 khabar dalam negeri ini.
Kita tidak mengkongkong dan tidak saperti surat2 khabar dari negara tetangga kita, tetapi mereka ada-lah bebas dan saya berasa dukachita oleh sebab mendengar tuduhan2 yang di- buat oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Ipoh mengatakan bahawa surat2 khabar di-sini ada-lah mengeluarkan suara I 403 28 MAY 1963 404 Kerajaan dan surat2 khabar di-Tanah Melayu ini di-kongkong oleh Kerajaan.
Saya perchaya wartawan2 Malaya ada hadhir dalam persidangan Wartawan2 Afro-Asia di-Jakarta di-mana mereka telah menjalankan peranan yang besar.

Mereka berterus-terang, berani dan sa-bagai wartawan2 national, tegas saperti Rosidin Yaakob dan Osman Wok.

Saya uchapkan sa-tinggi2 tahniah kapada mereka.


Kerajaan Persekutuan ia-itu Kerajaan Peri- Tanah Melayu katan memang-lah budi terhutang kapada wartawan2 kita dalam per sidangan wartawan2 Afro-Asia, kerana telah dapat menyingkirkan mereka terhadap soalan2 sa-barang serangan dari pehak Indonesia khas-nya, dan wartawan2 am-nya mengenai Tanah Melayu dan Malaysia.
Sikap wartawan2 Malaya ka-persidangan itu telah pun bersama menanda- yang tangani peristiharan Jakarta itu ada- lah satu bukti yang terang bahawa Malaya ada-lah negara yang bukan neo-colonialism dan neo-imperialism.

lain salah ia-itu Malaysia ra'ayat di-seberang Berkenaan dengan penerangan di- luar negeri, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kerap kali laut mengenai Tanah Melayu ada-lah di- kesalkan.
Jika gerakan penerangan ini kuat (active) di-seberang laut, maka saya perchaya tidak ada yang akan berlaku sa-bagaimana faham sekarang, kerana kita dapati penuntut2 kita di-Taiwan, London, Eropah dan Amerika saya dapat tahu, mithal-nya, di-Taiwan mereka anggap ia-itu Ma laysia di-paksa tanpa mendapat per- setujuan ra'ayat, dan mereka di-beri ini di- keterangan tentang, bukan sahaja oleh pehak Pembangkang tetapi juga oleh anggota Parti Perikatan sendiri Di-England juga ia-itu sa-orang yang bernama Kassim Ahmad, baharu2 telah membuat ini memorandum menentang Malaysia.
Jadi ada saya perchaya kalau-lah Pejabat Penerangan ini mengambil bahagian yang chergas sadikit, maka perkara2 yang saya sebutkan tadi tidak akan berlaku.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak hendak menchurahkan ayer dingin daya-utama Kementerian Luar Negeri berkenaan itu dengan Persidangan Kemunchak kerana kita sama2 mendengar pagi ini di-atas segala lama Persidangan Kemunchak itu akan di- lagi, dan tidak berapa chipta saya yang mewakili seluroh ra'ayat Seberang Tengah berdo'a agar Persi dangan Peringkat Menteri2 itu akan berjaya, kerana persidangan itu akan menjadi anak kunchi kapada Per sidangan Kemunchak yang akan datang, dan saya tidak lupa juga menguchapkan tahniah kapada Enche' Ghazali bin Shafie ia-itu pegawai yang telah ber- jaya mengadakan persidangan peringkat dan pegawai sa-orang initiative ber yang telah mengambil kenaan untok persidangan yang akan datang.
Dan juga baharu2 ini saya dengar yang Kerajaan sedang mengambil initiative untok mengikat satu perjanjian saling tidak (non- cheroboh-mencheroboh aggression) mengikut dasar Persidangan Bandong yang mewajibkan tiap2 negara menghormati kedaulatan dan maruah daerah2 satu2 negara.
persediaan2 di-Manila dengan Akhir-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, lahir-nya Malaysia Kera menjelang jaan harus-lah sedar bahawa subversive kominis itu bukan-nya di-lakukan dari satu jurusan sahaja bahkan melalui buku2, tulisan2 dan risalah2 dari luar negeri dan juga dari dalam negeri, dan jangan-lah Kerajaan hanya menchegah dan mengawal gerakan subversive dari luar negeri sedang subversive dari dalam di-biarkan berluasan dan ber- kembang biak.
Usaha2 menghapuskan kesangsaraan dan keselamatan kapada ra'ayat yang di-jalankan sekarang ini tetapi perkara yang belum chukup, ia-lah usaha2 penting dan mustahak jalan fikiran ra'ayat dan membentok usaha2 untok membasmi unsor kominis dan ideology kominis menerusi tulisan dan sastera hendak-lah di-perhebatkan dan di-perhatikan dengan berat.

Chita2 ini kominis untok mena'alok negeri akan berhasil bukan dengan chara kekerasan senjata tetapi ada-lah dengan saloran yang saya sebutkan itu.
Kita telah melihat banyak bukti bahawa pemimpin2 Socialist Front Persekutuan Tanah Melayu dan Barisan Sosialis Singapura yang di-kuasal oleh Parti Kominis Indonesia.

Bukti-nya ia-lah Persidangan Socialist Front Malaya yang berakhir pada 28hb 405 28 MAY 1963 406 Januari, 1962 di-Kuala Lumpur.

Hari yang .

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.. Mr Speaker: Nampak-nya tidak hen- dak beri peluang kapada orang lain.

Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: lagi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua Sadikit .

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hari yang kenyataan di-buat di-Singapura oleh Lim Chin Siong anggota Barisan Sosialis Singapura kapada pemberita akhbar Indonesia, "Bintang Timur," dia berkata, dan saya perchaya rakan-nya dari Socialist Front juga bersetuju dengan-nya, ia-itu ia lebeh suka Singapura berchantum dengan Indonesia daripada Malaya.
ini, Tuan Maka dengan keterangan Yang di Pertua, kita berasa sangat-lah dukachita kapada pemimpin2 parti Pembangkang itu kerana bukan sahaja menunjokkan sikap membangkang te- tapi pemimpin parti tersebut sa-lama ini mengakui bahawa mereka-lah juara ra'ayat dalam perjuangan menentang penjajah.

Bahawa dengan ini menun jokkan ia-itu ta'at setia pemimpin2 itu dan parti2-nya bukan kapada ra'ayat Malaya tetapi kapada Moscow atau Peking.
Maka oleh sebab yang demi- kian dan oleh sebab D. N. Aidit pemimpin Parti Kominis Indonesia jarum telah berjaya menggunakan untok memasoki kuman merah atau kuman kominis ini kapada jiwa pemim pin2 Barisan Sosialis, PAS dan Socialist Front, maka wabak kuman itu sedang merebak dan saya berharap kapada Kerajaan supaya mengambil perhatian berat dan langkah2 yang tegas melawan wabak kuman merah atau wabak kominis yang sedang bermaharajalela, kerana wabak kominis atau wabak lebeh merbahaya kuman merah daripada wabak penyakit ta'un.
Sa- kian-lah sahaja.

Terima kaseh.

ini Puan Hajjah Zain binti Sulaiman (Pontian Selatan): Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya berdiri menyokong cha- dangan menyampaikan uchapan terima kaseh kapada ka-bawah Duli Yang Maha Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda Yang di-Pertuan Agong atas titah di- Raja pada 22 haribulan yang lepas.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menyentoh sadikit dalam Kementerian Pertahanan.
Sa-sunggoh-nya saya sukachita men- dengan sa-chara langsong chadangan dapat tahu bahawa pelajaran per- tolongan chemas yang telah saya minta2 telah di-anjorkan oleh Kerajaan di- seluroh negeri mempelajari-nya.

Dan lagi sukachita saya menerangkan di- dalam Majlis ini bahawa permohonan saya berkenaan dengan kursus ini telah juga mendapat layanan di-Johor Bahru oleh Kementerian Kesihatan ia-itu di- sa-buah bilek khas untok alatkan mengajar 'ilmu pertolongan chemas.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, walau pun di- dalam uchapan di-Raja tidak menye- butkan ada-kah tentera wanita akan di-tubohkan ber- sama2 hendak membesarkan tentera pertahanan negara apabila zahir Malaysia kelak supaya sa-imbang dengan negara Malaysia yang bertambah besar dan subor, saya berharap, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dan perchaya Malaysia akan mempunyai askar wanita yang pilehan yang tidak kurang askar wanita di-negeri2 lain di-dalam dunia ini.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, wanita2 Malaya khas-nya Melayu siap sedia menunggu panggilan untok di-daftar- kan menjadi askar tanah ayer dengan sabar dan berani.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, titah di-Raja di-hujongan khas saya sangat gumbira membacha-nya bahawa akan pehak Kementerian Pelajaran chara2 Sekolah mengkaji sa-mula Menengah Lanjutan supaya memboleh- kan penuntut2 belajar hingga tiga tahun.
Saya harap ranchangan itu akan berjalan segera dan bukan-nya hanya tiga tahun, tetapi lebeh dari itu supaya tiap2 penuntut lebeh baik lagi daripada itu, ini-lah perkhabaran yang di-nanti2 oleh semua ibu bapa hendak meng- hantarkan anak2 mereka di-sekolah menengah lanjutan itu.
chekap-nya dengan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-sunggoh- nya saya terchari2 di-dalam Titah di- Raja kalau2 ada bayangan berkenaan dengan rayuan guru2 perempuan dalam perkara menuntut gaji yang sama dengan orang2 laki2 yang sama kerja dan tanggong-jawab-nya.

Tetapi hampa sahaja, sunggoh pun bagitu saya tetap berharap bahawa masaalah gaji sama itu akan dapat jawapan yang memuas- kan, ia-itu sa-sudah Malaysia zahir kelak.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, benarkan dengan saya berchakap berkenaan 407 28 MAY 1963 408 itu indah subor Malaysia yang asal beneh-nya di- hamborkan daripada mulut yang ber- tuah dan sejok daripada hati dan jiwa yang jujor hingga hari ini telah tumboh dan hidup.

Bagaimana ada di-dalam alam ini sa-suatu pohon yang baik itu ada musoh2-nya maka Malaysia telah chuba yang hendak di-hinggapi oleh ulat2 dan beneh2 penyakit yang kerja2-nya ulat2 dan beneh2 itu hendak membunoh benda2 yang baik.
Demikian-lah saya sifatkan pehak2 Yang Berhormat pehak pembangkang yang hendak merosakkan zahir dan hidup-nya negara Malaysia.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Duli Yang Maha Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda di-dalam Titah di-Raja-nya dengan wajah yang berseri2 yang menunjokkan keyakinan- nya bahawa Malaysia akan zahir pada 31 haribulan Ogos, 1963, maka kita semua akan bersidang di-dalam Rumah Parlimen yang baharu di-dalam negara Persekutuan Malaysia yang agong nanti.
di-Pertua, Tuan Yang hujong uchapan Yang Teramat Mulia Perdana Menteri pagi tadi sangat-lah meng- gembirakan hati saya, sa-sunggoh-nya saya yakin dan perchaya bahawa tiap2 yang batal dan jahat itu akan binasa itu akan dan yang benar dan baik hidup dan subor.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bagaimana Kerajaan dengan chergas dan pengganas kominis dan hari ini wabak ta'un maka akan meme bagitu-lah rangi ulat2 dan beneh2 dan penyakit yang hendak merosakkan Malaysia kita.
Sakian-lah sahaja, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, terima kaseh.

berani memerangi juga kita Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Mr Speaker, Sir, a number of Honourable Members of the Opposition have spoken on our Second Five-Year Development Plan and have alleged that the Plan is a failure and that it has neither improved the national the people, income of particularly in the rural arears, nor has increased employment.
We it given the feeling of here, Sir, understand despair and frustration of the Member for Kuala Langat, because he was given nearly six years to prove his worth to show that he could put into action what he so glibly and loudly spoke in words.

He was the Minister in his speech, as of Agriculture for six years and was also responsible for the co-operative movement.

He always regarded himself as he said the champion of the common man.

But what did he do and has any of his schemes a success?
He talked about the great tide of resentment built up by the ra'ayat who had been defrauded.

If the people were defrauded, it was he who defrauded them by making them to believe that he could do a lot of things for interest, when in actual fact he did nothing.

Sir, the ordinary men and women in this country, including those who live in the rural areas, are not stupid, nor are they blind to facts.

They always know where the truth lies and where sincerity exists.
their own It is interesting to quote a note sent by the Honourable Member for Kuala Langat when he was the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives.

On his visit to the Afro-Asian Conference in Rural Development, he sent a telegram to the Prime Minister in these terms: "Afro-Asian countries are very impressed the rebels by our rural development schemes."

Now, Sir, he says that these schemes are a failure.

We know him only too well on this side of the House.
We also know the kind of politics he now pursues since he was expelled from the Alliance.

He is now championing the cause of the Borneo territories.

The Radio Kalimantan Utara, or Suara Kalimantan Utara, has repeatedly spoken of him as the leader championing the cause of the rebels.

It says that in Malaya and Singapore are now united to topple the Alliance Government and to support their cause and that the organisation is headed by the Member for Kuala Langat.
ten political parties in Sir, we, the present members of the Alliance Government, are always ready to be judged by the people for what we have done, and for what we intend to do for them.

By our rural develop ment programme during the last two and a half years, we have succeeded in changing the face of the rural areas.
In areas where there are no roads before, we have built roads; we have brought medical facilities, water supply, 409 28 MAY 1963 410 mosques, community centres and such other social amenities which we con sider are desirable for a decent and civilised life.

Of course, these are not all the things that we want to do for them.

There are many more amenities which we intend to rural areas to make rural life as pleasant and as amenable as life in the cities.
Also, to those who have no means of employment, we have given them land of economic size.

to bring the Sir, fact first regarding our standard of living of which) every Member of this House should be aware, is that our heritage from colonial rule in our economy being has resulted dependent on two primary products, namely, rubber and tin and the rise and fall of our national standard of living must, for some years to come, be inseparable from the rise and fall in the price of these two products.
The Alliance Government has always been well aware of this fact, and that is why in our Five-Year Development Plan we have given the greatest empha sis and taken active and positive steps towards implementation of an agricultural diversification programme, to come our so that economic stability and standard of living in both the urban and rural areas will not be entirely dependent on world market prices of these two products.
the years the in Now, Sir, with regard to the effect of the National Five-Year Plan, which, of course, includes the national rural development programme, it has been proved by our assessment of the result of the first two years of the Plan that the physical output of our national economy has increased by 10 per cent between 1960 and 1962.
The assess ment, Sir, was made not only by the Alliance Government but corroborated by the International Bank for Re construction and Development and the International Monetary Fund.

There is the general standard of proof the country has living increased and continues to increase, as a result of the implementation of our Plan.
that throughout Now, Sir, to be more specific on this, the Federal Land Development Autho rity has already developed an acreage of approximately 197,000 acres of new land, giving a new way of life and a better standard of living to approxi mately 16,000 families.

Even the most irresponsible Member of Parliament cannot argue against this fact; and the fact is that this new development of land is, in fact, raising the standard of living in the rural areas.
In parallel to this, the various State Governments have, under the fringe alienation scheme, opened an acreage of over 186,000 acres of the opening up and the giving of land to cultivation by rural people, in my view, is in itself a proof of the general rising of our national output and the general rise of our standard of living.
land; in the Also field of RIDA 13 rubber processing factories have been set up; 60 small rubber processing factories; 12 bus companies; well over 100 markets have been open up; $20 million worth of loans have been given to the rural areas, of which over $15 million has already been paid back; even the rural bus service in Kelantan, more commonly known as NETS, has been put in order by the RIDA from being in debt to the extent of $800,000 to being put in credit and making a profit last year of over $67,000.
{Applause).

All these facts and figures are tangi ble proof that these vague accusations by members of the Opposition are completely false.
Accusations that the Alliance Government is not raising the standard of living of our people are not based on facts and figures, but are based, to my mind, on wishful think ing on the part of the Opposition, because it is obvious from the speeches they made in this House that the wish thoughts, the hopes and aspira ful tions of the Opposition are that our National Development Plan will fail and will not help the people whom we represent in the rural areas.
They hope and pray for this failure for purely selfish reasons themselves that will be able to take over the Govern ment.
And I will say this, that one of the greatest guarantees that the stand ard of living of our people will not only they 411 28 MAY 1963 412 be maintained but will be increased if that the Alliance Government should continue to govern and should continue to implement our National Develop ment Plan as at present, because it is obvious to me from the irresponsible speeches from the other side of the House that if, by a stroke of bad luck, this country was being governed from the other side of the House, then by their vague thinking, by their vague speaking, and by their muddled med dling, the standard of living in our country, which on this day, the 28th of May, 1963, would in my view drop lower and lower.
indicated, unemployment I am surprised that members of the Opposition—the Honourable Member for Ipoh and the Honourable Member for Tanjong—made some assertions about unemployment when there are no reliable statistics prior to 1962.

As I have in selected manufacturing industries has increased by 10 per cent from 1960 to 19614 I would like to assure the House that the Government is not unmindful of the needs of reliable information of employment and unemployment in this country.
We are making every effort to obtain this information through com prehensive surveys of employment and unemployment.

This is being under taken by the Department of Statistics and the first comprehensive survey has been completed for the year 1962.

The result of this survey indicated an ave rage unemployment rate of about 6 per cent in the labour force in 1962.
This is approximately the same as un employment rates in the United States and Canada, two of the countries where unemployment figures exist on a scien tific basis.

As stated in His Majesty's speech, the implementation of our Second Five- Year Development Plan, particularly our Rural Development Plan, has been a great success, and the proof of this is clear for everyone to see in the rural areas themselves.
The Government's the Government's deeds action and speak louder than empty words of the members of the Opposition.

It is true, Sir, that although we have done much, there is much more to be done.

But if we are given the privilege by the people this to overcome to do it, we shall continue to tackle this problem of poverty and depression in the rural areas with all the energy, earnestness and determination as we have done in the last 2 1/2 years.
There is no doubt that we have tackled the problem in the right way and with the right approach.

The problem of im proving the standard of living of the rural people is certainly a complex one, but we cannot solve it by merely talking or by propounding theories.

I am prepared to say categorically to this House that our Plan and our method of approach im- mencely complex problem are basically right.

I am prepared to meet any professor or any theorist on this subject.
Our method and our way have shown results and have succeeded.

I have just come back from a tour of the United States, Canada, and the United King dom and had met many great leaders of Governments as well as leaders of International Agencies.

All of them have paid great tribute not only for the way in which the Alliance Government is administering the country but also for the way in which we are imple menting our Development Plan.
We have been regarded as a model for newly independent countries, because of the stability of our Government and because of the success of our Develop ment Plan.

We have been given the respect in great capitals of the world far out of proportion to our size and our population.

I have heard all this said, Sir, in glowing terms personally and I say all these are great tributes to the Alliance Government (Applause).

Of course, we do not expect to get such tributes from members of the Oppo sition.
But if they are honest in them selves and responsible as they should be, then there should be credit where credit is due.

I know certain quotations have been read out from reports put up by a Professor who is supposed to be con versant in economic theories.

But I say, Sir, that we in the Alliance Government do not merely talk of theories.

We believe in action, we believe in deeds, and we believe in results (Applause).
The people in the rural areas, in the the villages, do not kampongs and 413 28 MAY 1963 414 understand theories.

But they under stand results and I will say this to any to propound Professor who wishes theories on rural development: "I wish you to show results first before you can talk; we do not dwell on theories."

to The Honourable Member for Tan- jong spoke about collective ownership in order to create efficiency.
I say his idea of collective ownership is un acceptable the kampong people, particularly the Malays.

They want to own land, they want to own houses; but they are prepared to develop their land co-operatively or collectively and this, as far as possible, is being done.

That is why one of the main things that we encourage in rural development is the spirit of Gotong Royong.

Here, again, I say to the Honourable Member for Tanjong, don't work on theories.
We have got to devise a system of economic development which is suited to the conditions of our country and suited to the mentality of our people.

After all, in economic development, as in any other field of progress, human factor plays an important part.

What ever we want to do, whatever method we devise, we must have the acquies cence of the people.

They must agree that it is right, and it is only then that they can adopt and use it continuously to get results.
That is why we in the Alliance Government are convinced that what we are doing is the right thing.

Given a few more years with the present stable conditions in the country, we are confident that we can effect an evolution in the life of the rural people, so that all of them would be able to live a better, healthier and happier life and that we shall have a rural economy based on a strong and sound founda tion.
Now, Sir, the Honourable Member for Seremban Timor alleges that in the the Development implementation of Plan, we are not the new treating villages on the same footing as the other villages.

I have made so many statements on this subject that it is almost worthless now to repeat.
But be cause the Opposition Members always keep on playing the same record, we also have to repeat the same answer, I say Sir, our policy in the rural develop is ment to carry out development throughout the country in accordance with the needs of a particular area and our Plan is national in character and national in spirit.
We have now a special leaf in the Red Book for the development of the new villages and the requests from the people of the new7 villages are being attended to and given the same attention as those of the other areas in the country.

loans which Now, Sir, I wish to mention a little about the Honourable Member for Bachok spoke yesterday and the Honourable the Prime Minis ter has also replied briefly.

I would like to explain that we are a young and developing country.
We cannot carry out development plan without money.

The Honourable Member also said our taxes are too high.

Well, if we cannot get money internally, we must get money from loans overseas to finance our development.

This is the usual thing done by any country in the world, including the United States of America.

The United States of America, before she became the most prosperous country in the world, had to carry out development on loans.
Like any busi ness undertaking, if you want to expand your business, you got to increase your capital.

You borrow money the hope that your business will expand and your profits will increase and you will be able to pay your loan from the same your way, in a country, if we want to deve lop and want to expand our economy, then we will have to borrow money for that purpose.

When our economy had expanded and when our national income increases, we shall be able to draw more from the country to pay our loans.
This is the only road to prosperity, a road which had been followed by every developing and every wealthy country in the world.

There is no other way.

If we are not prepared to borrow money to expand our economy, then we must remain static and we cannot expand and improve our way of life.

increased profits.

In in Now, Sir, I should like to explain to the House a little bit about our financial position.
With the advent of Malaysia, as has been explained on a 415 28 MAY 1963 416 to of North Borneo number of occasions, it will mean that we shall have to increase our defence the forces and our police force for protection of a much bigger area than we have now.

It has been estimated that we shall have to increase our recurrent expenditure on defence and internal security to the tune of about $200 million a year on account of Malaysia.
In addition to that we have incur a considerable amount of to capital expenditure.

Also, the new and territories Sarawak, which are much less deve loped than we are, will need assistance for their development plans to the tune of about $100 million a year.

We cannot find this money from internal sources, we to obtain shall have assistance from abroad.
That is why my colleague the Minister of Finance and myself were in London recently to the British Government on talk financial assistance for defence as well as development.

We feel that Britain has a special and direct responsibility to see that Malaysia becomes an economically viable unit.

Therefore, Britain has a special responsibility to give assistance for the expansion of our armed forces as well as for develop ment in the new territories.
We have had these talks but, as I have indicated on my return, the talks did not end successfully as the offer made by the British Government fell far short of our requirements.

As this matter is still two under negotiation between countries, I regret that I am not able to give the figures of the amount of assistance the British Government but we hope we shall be able to get the British Government to agree to give a much bigger assistance to consider level which we reasonable.
It will be difficult, Sir, for this Government its development programme which it has promised to do and at the same time to shoulder an increased expenditure on defence without external aid.

to carry on offered the the by There is only one other matter which that is the I wish to mention, and the Honourable matter raised by the Member subject of General Habibullah.
I would like to explain to this House for Kuala Langat on clearly that General Habibullah, a general in the Indian Army, was sent back to India before the expiry of his term of office at the request of the Government of the Government of required his services.

That the position, Sir.

Thank you.

(Applause).


India because India is the that that is irresponsible, Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, we have had a rather pleasant interlude of praise and counter-praise this afternoon and, of course, accom panied by the usual accusation from the the Government benches Opposition the Opposition is destructive, and that the Opposition has no constructive pro gramme to offer.
But I would like to give the same answer to the Honour the Deputy Prime Minister—if able the Ministry plays same old record, it must expect the same old answer.

We are not saying that the Alliance Government in capable of doing anything at all.

What we are saying is that it is incapable of carrying out its tasks properly.
This argument is: "Well, if you disagree with us and if you accuse us, then what you are trying to say is that we are completely and totally incapable of carrying out the duties of government."

Well, I agree that it is always true that half a fool is better than no fool at all; that it is better to have a government than have no government at all.
Now, to dwell on the I actually intended Honourable Prime Minister's speech but, I think, I shall spend a few minutes more on the speech given to the Deputy us by Prime Minister.
the Honourable totally the is The Member for Seberang Tengah has, of course, read out praises by other governments, and 1 am not sure whether that is due to politeness or protocol or whether it is because Malaya is too small to worry about, and it is always better to say nice things at parting; but let the Honour able the Prime Minister not be over by whelmed flattery, praise especially from his own benches, because it is possible that when we are overwhelmed with flattery, we may miss the voice of truth.
and 417 28 MAY 1963 418 Now, the Honourable the Deputy facts and Prime Minister has got figures to show how the rural develop ment plan has progressed.

Well, I will read the facts and figures given in the Appendix to the Royal Address.

It is stated— "Up to date, the Authority has started 49 land development schemes all over the Federation with over 85,000 acres under current development families.
Eventually within the next few years, on completion of all phases, these 49 schemes the development of over alone will see 206,000 acres for the benefit of 16,000 families".

for 7,500 in for that land in fact land, but income-producing Now, on paper it looks very nice.

But are these facts?

Yes, it may be quite that 206,000 acres had been true allocated development schemes.

But what we want to know is this: How much of that land has been properly developed?
If the land has not been properly developed, you it can still show on paper is it will developed never be I land.

have before this House shown photographs of the land development schemes showing rubber trees which are about the size of my wrist after four years of cultivation.
Furthermore, it is also stated in the Royal Address: "In 1963, and in the remaining years of the Second Five-Year Plan, the Authority will continue vigorously its planned pro gramme to start 12 new schemes with an eventual acreage of 50,000 for 4,800 families each year."

Well, if the true facts are as put on paper no one can but express admira tion.
But what we are saying is that there is a great deal of difference between the word and the deed; as the Honourable the Deputy Prime Minister has admitted—we are not interested in words, we are interested in deeds.

So, do that, and let us see; do the things you promised, and let us see.

Another figure was given to us just now by the Honourable the Deputy Prime Minister, and that is that there has been a ten per cent increase in output between the years 1960 and 1962.
We are not told how much of the ten per cent comes from our rubber yield.

Assuming that 80 per cent of our from rubber yield, and basing it on the fact in output comes increase that rubber does take six to seven years to grow, there is no doubt that rubber trees which are yielding between 1960 and 1962 must have been planted as far back as from 1952 to 1955.

In other words, the Government is reaping the harvest sown by the post-war re habilitation of estates scheme imple mented by the Government.
So, there is nothing to shout about.

Trees must grow.

In seven years they must grow big, and you must get latex.

I am also very glad to hear the Honourable the Deputy Prime Minis ter say, "Look at the new roads we have built in the kampong areas, look at the I lights and beautiful properties."

agree, but that is exactly what we are complaining about.

The big new roads do not increase income—the new roads can increase expenditure.
As I have stated before, some members of the Alliance have said that the new roads have allowed people to buy Japanese Honda motor-cycles to go to cinemas.

Yes, I agree, but the question is how are they to earn the money to go to cinemas?

I also agree with members of the Government who have said that nowadays you get traders coming to villages selling cosmetics, selling under wear, and selling silk laces (Laughter), and our people in the kampong can now buy under-wear, silk laces and lip sticks.
But, Sir, where is the money coming from and for what purpose are it they buying increase our national productivity?

increases mar Maybe it does—it riages.

But we are the talking of increase of national economy product.

things?

Does those Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, the Deputy Prime Minister has stated just now that there are no statistics and so how can we talk of unemployment.

My answer is this—if there are no statistics, how can you say that the development of industry is absorbing labour?
It cuts both ways.

If we say that there is in crease of unemployment, how can you say that there is a decrease of un employment, since there are no figures?

However, Sir, what is worse in Malaya is not the question of unemployment— it is under-employment.

In other words, five or six people are doing the same job in order that each person may earn 419 28 MAY 1963 420 a few dollars, so that on statistical figures they are employed people—they are not unemployed but under-em ployed.
These are the people we must look after.

If we are solving our un employment problem, can the Govern ment tell us why is there an increase of crime?

Why do people keep on murdering and committing robbery?

Hardly a day passes in Kuala Lumpur without a robbery.

The situation is so bad that I understand that the Officer- the Police District of in-Charge of Kuala Lumpur no longer holds his weekly briefings with to inform the press the state of crime in Kuala Lumpur.
The other day, it was alleged that a certain gang carried out a crime of violence, including kidnap ping, following the tactics they had learned from a film they had seen.

How do you account for this increase in crime?

Every day as you pass by Kuala Lumpur, you see police blocks—they are trying to catch people.

Why, if there is no unemployment?


the press The other day my Honourable friend, the Member for Seberang Selatan, stated that the Police had carried out raids in Nibong Tebal and, in fact, arrested by mistake the Station Master, Nibong Tebal, and the son of a State Assembly man, and the Chairman of the Rural Council.

(To ENCHE' V. VEERAPPEN: Is that correct?)

(Laughter).

Mr Speaker: Why didn't you get information beforehand?

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: I am sorry, Sir.


It is very unfortunate that this happened to the son of an Alliance State Assemblyman.

It was fortunate that these two persons were recognised and released, but there were other people who had been unfortunate and had been detained—and the reason given for this is that crime is on the increase in the Nibong Tebal district, which hitherto has been quite crime- free and that the Government must take steps immediately to stop any crime.
But, Sir, the real answer is this.

Many of these people have been put on restricted residence on the belief that if they are shifted from one area to another crime will cease.

That is no solution for crime, if the basis of crime is economic—and it is our argu ment that the basis of crime in Malaya at the moment is economic.

to meet at Mr Speaker, Sir, I come now to the Honourable Prime Minister's speech.

We are very glad to hear that he is going to Japan to meet the President of the Indonesian Republic.
We are very glad that these two people on whom the security of South-East Asia lies will be able last.

We hope that good sense will prevail, and we hope that they will succeed, and may God bless them in their attempts to maintain peace.

But Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not understand why the Honour able the Prime Minister should at the same time when making his speech think it fit to attack and accuse the Opposition of having given no con structive suggestions at all.

Coming from him, it is rather surprising.


He has said that we have had nothing at all constructive to offer.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like to remind the House that when we came into this House in 1959, we at once talked of the need for rural develop ment.

In 1960 the Government pro its Red Book—eight months duced after we first spoke this House.

in (Laughter).
in (Laughter).

Mr Speaker, Sir, it is very difficult not to agree with the Honour able Member for Ipoh in his remarks that some Members of the Government show very little brains in view of the laughter I have just heard.

Hansard is there, and they may refer to it if they wish.
that poly-isoprene The Honourable Member for Rawang about a year ago informed the Govern synthetic ment rubber was about to be perfected and that synthetic rubber would cost about 60-over cents and that this would be a threat to our natural rubber.

At that time the Honourable Minister of Health, who was then the Minister of Commerce and Industry, refused to accept our statement and said that it would never be a that natural rubber would have a safe future.
Now, unfortunately, the threat has become so obvious it has become undeniable.

But what does this threat?

Government do with Instead of dealing with threat, instead of warning the people of this threat and that this this 421 28 MAY 1963 422 takes the opportunity of threat, it launching the Shell Oil Company's refinery scheme and saying that the Shell Oil Company's refinery scheme will be good for rubber and the future of the scheme in that it would be used to manufacture oil extended rubber.
Well, I say again that the real threat is synthetic—not whether or not Shell has a refinery in Malaya.

Mr Speaker, Sir, of course, it is quite true to say that some people— anywhere—make irresponsible remarks, but the irresponsible remarks are surely not confined to Members of the Opposi tion.
We have had a beautiful example just now from the Member for Sebe- rang Tengah, and there is the usual sessional dosage from the Honourable Member for Johor Tenggara which, of course, is equalled by the Member for Larut Utara, who goes on talking about Tanjong Rambutan all the time whatever may be the subject under discussion.
However, it is surprising that the Honourable the Prime Minis ter should have stooped so low—and I do not know what angered him this to say morning—as former that a the Government was Minister of picked up literally from the gutter.

If that Member was picked up literally from the gutter—and he was sitting for the last eight years in the Ministerial Bench—then I would like the Prime Minister to inform me as to how many more guttersnipes there are still on the also Ministerial Bench.
stated the former Minister of Agriculture was dissatis fied with the Ministerial Bench and had accusation of corruption to make, why then did he stick for eight years.

Well, the answer is very simple.

It may be because he could stomach it for eight years and for no more and had thought that after eight years he had had enough.
Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not think it is correct to blame the former Minister of Agriculture for his wastage and for the fact that he had messed up the community develop ment programme and the rehabilitation scheme the Police constables.

You cannot blame him alone.

If there is anybody the whole Cabinet must be blamed.
to be blamed, then It was if just now that for that that responsibility responsibility must be The Honourable the Deputy Prime Minister the just now stated former Minister of Agriculture had defrauded the the people, or people had been defrauded by him.

However, he has said here before on many occasions—and so has our Honourable Prime Minister—that the Cabinet's is collective and that blame cannot be on one man—that all must be blamed and that shared equally amongst all.
In that case, the defrauding of the people, the messing of the programmes and all the allega tions made by the Government against a former Minister must be accusation itself.

You against cannot, person decides to leave the Ministerial Bench and cross over to the other side, accuse him for being a fool all this time, for having defrauded the people for years, and then say, "Thank God, we wash our hands clean of him!"
You cannot do so, because those very hands are stained with the accusation and dirt that the Government has accused the Minister of.

the Government just because that as by inform the Alliance; to which party in the last elections Mr Speaker, Sir, we have also been asked by the Honourable Prime can Minister form the Government and it has been stated that it is quite obvious that we are unable to do so and that we are simply a gathering of people who should, in fact, not be in this House.
this House Firstly, I must again the that Opposition parties obtained 49 per cent as against 51 per cent of the votes and obtained secondly, it is not difficult to form an unprincipled Alliance of parties.

We together unprincipally, all can like the some member parties of Alliance, and put forward an alter native Government, but we do not do so because we do not agree that it is correct and right for the country.
I am also rather surprised that this kind of should be made against allegation the is the Opposition.

same kind of allegation the British that Government used to make against the Prime Minister himself, and members of the Alliance, during our struggle join It 423 28 MAY 1963 424 for independence.

The statement then was, "How can these people rule Malaya?

", and the scare was so great that many packed their bags and left on the declaration of independence in 1957.
These people who have been accused of inability and of incapability are now trying to blame the Opposi tion.

Is this the way the debate should be carried on?

the support of Mr Speaker, Sir, I personally think that one should never come to the position where personal abuse is necessary to win a debating point.

It has been stated that we have said things over and over again, but that we the have not got people, and that the Alliance has been returned by votes and, therefore, the Alliance has been right.
We wish to say this now: that if we believe that we are right, we will continue to stand here and speak even though we stood alone, because truth is objective and it is not always that he who is in the majority knows or has the truth.

If such was the case, we would not have had people like Gandhi, we would not have had people like Jesus Christ and nor would Prophet Muhammad himself have gone to Medina.
Great nations and great movements and the progress of the world, in fact, have been borne by people who have had to stand alone against the world sometimes.

The progress of the world and movements are not borne by sycophants and flatterers.

We can easily flatter, we can flatter as well as anyone can.

Right or wrong certainly does not depend on whether or not we have the majority.

The Honourable Prime Minister spoke of the fact that the Government is trying to defend the Constitution.
Then, why is not the Member for Setapak released?

The Government says that it is working out a constitu tional reform and would allow our Opposition to speak, then why is not the Honourable Member for Setapak released?

The Honourable Prime Minister has unfortunately said that the Honourable Member for Setapak is a indeed a very harsh word to use, and it is, in fact, a criminal word to use.

I am sure if the Honourable Prime Minister traitor.
That is liked repeated it outside and the Member for Setapak was free, he would take action—and if he were here in this House, he would have the Honourable Prime Minister to repeat what he said outside—because in order to be a traitor, one must commit treason, and when one commits treason, one can be punished with death.

There is no need at all to detain him, so that he cannot answer for his crime, and then to accuse him of the worst crime of all, that of being a traitor.
Enche' Boestamam, the Honourable Member for Setapak, was one of those people who, together with many members of the other side, fought against the British.

He was detained by the British for 7 1/2 years.

He was released and then he the Party Rakyat.

He was formed against colonialism and decided that socialism is best for this country and he formed the Party Rakyat.

But today a slander is made against him by one who has the power to have him tried properly for the crime he is alleged to have committed.
Mr Speaker, Sir, the Royal Address can in fact be called the royal under statement of the year.

The Royal Address itself talks of the difficulties ahead and how we have to face up to our difficulties.

I say this, Mr Speaker ; blood is on our hands.

150 people armed and in uniform have recently been sent to Sarawak from the Mata Kuching Aerodrome in Butterworth.

They were called, I believe, the Police Field Force.

But no matter by what name they are called, they have been sent there with arms.
It is unfortunate that we should all the time be accused of not having constructive proposals and of being communist agents, as if to say that if people believe we are communist agents, therefore whatever we say is wrong.

It is as if to say that because the communist organisations have anti-Malaysia stand, therefore, the anti-Malaysia is wrong, because it is supported by the communists; and that therefore because we supported the anti-Malaysia plan, everybody the anti-Malaysia plan.
It is as if to say that because we say that every child should go to school, and because the should go against supported the 425 28 MAY 1963 426 communists say that we are right, there fore, no child should go to school, because the communists say so.

There is no logic in that and I wish to show from the history of Malaysia that in fact on many occasions it was we in Malaya who had set the lead.
to the the people and In a speech delivered Before the discussion of Malaysia came up in the Singapore Legislative Assembly, the Socialist Front had said we agreed only in principle the concept of Malaysia.
Mr Speaker, Sir, in 1962, I reiterated following points we have made before: (i) that the Malaysia Plan must be approached not by the Government but by the expressed will of the people of equal standing through independent Bornean States, and Malaysia should be formed with the free will of the people; (ii) the form and structure of Malaysia must the be put before majority will must prevail; (iii) that all people should be politically equal and should be no discrimination there against anyone; that Malaysia (iv) must stand for peace and neutrality and in friendship with Indonesia; (v) it must stand for independence interna tionally.
in August, 1961, I emphasised that we must for our sake and for our own for survival stand neutrality.

We the Government at that time that if the Government did not proceed along to those there was bound in be hostility breaking out the Bornean there was bound to be hostility with Indonesia.

We said to be hostility in the Bornean territories, and we were correct.

We had warned the Government.

But after going to the Bornean territories we were accused of being fifth columnists.
There was an outbreak of hostilities after that.

We warned the Government that we must stand for peace and neutrality; we must work for and have a Malaysia in friendship with Indonesia.

What did the Honourable Prime Minister say?

His Party said the Socialist Front wanted to sell Malaya to Indonesia.

What is the Honourable Prime Minis ter trying to do today?
He is packing up to go to Japan to meet the Presi for peace and then warned there was bound territories and lines that the dent of Indonesia at initiative, unfortunately, of the President of the Indonesian Republic, Soekarno.

We knew some two years ago that we had to discuss matters with Indonesia and make sure that Indonesia will not feel threatened, and that we can come to an understanding with her.
And if all these points which we had about Indonesia were not constructive, then I do not know what can ever be con structive to the Government.

We have also stated quite clearly that once we accept the concept of Malaysia, we would have to accept the reality of the Malay speaking world, or the Melayu Raya idea.

This was stated long ago and this would become a reality.

said Mr Speaker: What is that you are reading?

in in Singapore, Enche' Lim Kean Siew: I am referring to speeches I made long ago.
And we must view this in relation to Thailand which is to our immediate west.

We also said that the Western Powers their fight against com munism require bases, which at present exist the Philippines, Formosa, Indochina, Thailand, South Korea and Okinawa.
But since the fight is not only an ideological fight, in such a fight Indonesia would become a threat to the West, and since it is a threat, Singapore and the Malayan bases could be used to meet this intended threat, and we would be involved in a conflict with Indonesia, which Malaya must at all cost avoid.

Malaysia would and must become an Asian entity and an Asian reality.

We must not ally ourselves with the West.


We must, therefore, stand for neutrality and only by standing for neutrality can we get peace.

All this was said in the course of several speeches throughout 1961 and 1962 in the University of Malaya, to the foreign press in Singapore, to the Penang discussion group in Penang and to members of the public generally.
And yet in spite of this history, in spite of the fact that we had warned the of Government of Indonesian Malaysia, Government ever thought to oppose Malaysia, we have been accused of being communist stooges.

I have heard here only about an hour ago, from the the difficulties before the 427 28 MAY 1963 428 them under Honourable Member from Seberang Tengah, accusations which have been made before by the People's Action Party of Singapore.

It is surprising that we should echo what in fact is not true.
We all know that different people have different motives.

The British people want to get rid of the Bornean territories as fast as they can, because they do not want to be accused of being a colonising power.

The Govern ment of Singapore wants to get rid of the dissatisfied industrial workers and place the control of someone else.
The Malayan Govern ment would like Singapore to come in but it is afraid, as the Honourable the Prime Minister has said this morning, of the back becoming the front, so he has thought that he should take in the other Bornean territories.

I would like to repeat here once for all that the question of merger with Singapore is a question of integration of two parts of the same country.

It is not a question of colonising, as in 1948 Singapore was cut away from Malaya.
But once you decide to have Singapore only when you can have the Bornean territories, that then you must accept economically the Bornean territories are foreign and we are taking over a foreign country.

And we say it here and now that this must be with the will of the people.

Without the people and with the will of terri dissatisfaction in to crush tories, we must use arms lesson opposition—and which the Brunei uprising, because we have to use arms to meet the hostility of the Bornean people.
We have to depend on British arms and, because we have to depend on British arms, we will be accused of being a Western satellite nation, as much as Ngo Dinh Diem is accused, as much as Chiang Kai Shek is accused, as much as the former Government of South Korea has been accused—and it is this that I would like to warn this House about.

Now, people say the Opposition is opposed to Malaysia because it is bad for the Opposition.
Sir, if we were irresponsi ble, if we were destructive, if we did the not care the fact politically, the peace and the Bornean should be is one learnt from that and for for the more our economy stability of Malaya, we would have said: "Yes, have Malaysia at all costs and in this situation."

But we have not said so, because we know that once Malaysia is formed under this situation there is going to be chaos, there is going to be instability, which will be opposition, irresponsible good which we are not.
The greater the fight is in the Bornean territories, the more money we spend on arms.

And the more money we spend on arms, the less we will spend on rural develop ment; is strained, the quicker we will collapse; the quicker we collapse, the faster will the people be dissatisfied; and when they are dissatisfied, they will want a change of Government.
In that event, either we become Fascists and shoot anybody who opposes us, in which case there will be revolution, or the Govern ment must give way to the Opposition, which will be us.

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

We have constantly warned the Government that it is not so much the case of a power vacuum that is going to be caused that without Malaysia Malaysia will be another new centre of instability and unrest—and I am going to ask, whether or not the Western powers would like that to happen, so that more and more arms and more and more money would be poured into this area to no effect?

Mr Speaker, Sir, the Singapore is not having Malaysia Government because of its ideological struggle.
It is not true to say that it is because of the ideological struggle that Singapore must be merged with Malaya.

It is a necessity, it is a tactic.

I doubt if the Singapore P.A.P.

will be satisfied to remain in Singapore, and that is why they are the seed of dis purposely sowing content between and the M.C.A.

UMNO.

It may be that they think they can the M.C.A.—I do not know.
But certainly the fight in Singapore is not an ideo logical fight, and let us not pretend that it is an ideological fight because, if we do, we will confuse the issue.

I think I have said enough about Malaysia and recapitulated enough to stop this senseless, illogical and emo the tional outburst against us and the place of take over here, but 429 28 MAY 1963 430 accusation that we are pro-communists in the hope that Malaysia cannot be viewed objectively.
Malaysia must be viewed objectively—truth is objective.

Accusing us will not solve the situa tion, neither will it give any solution.

The British Government says: "If we do not have Malaysia, what is going to happen to Singapore, what is going to happen to the Bornean terri tories?"

My argument is this: "Well, boys, it is your baby.

You carry it".

to be Nobody asks is difficulty colonised and regarding is a difficulty created by the situation, not created by Malaysia.
Malaysia is only an attempt to pass the baby.

those countries there if territories, those it into through the whole cracy until Napolean came along and perverted revolutionary imperialism and esta struggle blished an empire.

We know Malaya have not yet gone that constitutional struggle.

Many people do not understand what is the meaning constitutional opposition; many of people do not understand the duties and the responsibilities not only of the Opposition but of the Government itself.
This cancer of Internal Security Act has gone so deep that many people think this is all a joke.

(Laughter).

People say to me, "Well, Kean Siew, you need time to study more.

What about going inside for a few years?"

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

the it is like itself is like including Mr Speaker, Sir, there is one small incident, the incident of the cholera epidemic which is out of in place in this debate—as far as I am concerned I am dealing with Malaysia and the question of the establishment of constitutional democracy.

My belief is that people who have been arrested the Honourable today, Member for Setapak and many others in Singapore, have been arrested in their attempts to establish democracy in practice.
Many of us think that because there is a Constitution, there fore with this Constitution there is democracy.

However, the Constitution the bare bones of a itself government; the skeleton without flesh.

Democracy itself must be felt before the people.

Many of the people here including the Honourable Member for Seberang Tengah have been talking of the many forms of democracy and democracy.

It is very easy to read the words, but that meaning the people must first under stand what is democracy.
The British Government established parliamentary democracy after 300 years of consti tutional struggle, costing many heads including the head of a king.

The American Government established the equality of man to man and the abolish ment of tyranny of man over man by a revolution against the British Govern ment and a civil war to establish those rights.

The French Revolution did proceed towards this question of demo it is realised by the word to give Dato' Dr Ismail: Not a bad idea!

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: It is now not a question of the struggle to establish different ideologies; it is not a question even of which "ism" is better for the country.

It is a question of whether to put up a or not we are going democracy in practice.

I know on paper it exists; I know that people talk and people can oppose; but I also know that many people oppose and oppose with fear.
Special Branch officers have been known to go to our Party mem bers to ask them to leave the Party or be arrested—"You better leave the Socialist Front and join the Alliance, or give up politics, or we will have to detain you".

Special Branch people have used agents to warn our Party members against me and say, "You cannot mix up with Kean Siew.

If you do so, you might be arrested.

The best thing is to join the Alliance".


Police officers have been known to yam seng to the collapse of the Socialist Front.

Those people are Government servants.

A certain member from a little town in Johore was told, quite categorically, that he should leave the Labour Party within a month.

He did not do so, and he was arrested and detained.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I say, "Set the people free, if you want democracy to succeed".

Let us struggle and bring the awareness to this meaning of democracy.
the people as to is It 431 28 MAY 1963 432 struggle to bring home to the people the meaning of democracy, because of the fact that people must be made aware of it, that gives hope—opposition is necessary.

It is because of the mis to understanding as the duties of these people have that Government been arrested, and this category of fighters for constitutional democracy who have been arrested, that we put the Member for Setapak, Enche' Ahmad Boestamam.
into is it Mr Speaker, Sir, I say that though cholera is a very small thing, but it is an example of why we need democracy.

Everyone here, who has been to Malacca, is aware that for the last two or three months the water there has been saltish.

Every one who has been unlucky knows that in Malacca town we drink water from the taps containing salt from the sea—apparently the in takes were put too near the sea and the salt water comes in.
A certain doctor—I believe, Dr Field, an expert in tropical diseases—warned the public through one of our newspapers that if this were to continue tropical diseases would break out.

Then, recently there has been an order prohibiting people from bathing in salt water, as appa rently cholera can be carried in salt water, or water containing salt—I do not know which exactly is true.
Further, one the Hospital in Malacca is known to have water closets which were unflushed due to water shortage, and it is a fact that many of the public waste pipes would flow in the direction of the intakes of the water supply of Malacca.

Under that situa tion, there is no doubt that the out break of cholera should have been anticipated, but instead of a public out cry is very clear: even the outlets from thing Mr Speaker: We have spent hours on the debate on cholera.
two Enche' Lim Kean Siew: I am talk ing on democracy, Sir.

It is because of the fact that people do not under stand and need of opposition that the people have not set out to accuse the Government of criminal negligence in respect of the cholera outbreak in Malacca in view the meaning of the facts I have just now stated— that is why I talk about cholera.
Instead of setting up an enquiry consisting of people who are not in the Alliance, or a mixed set of people, persons like a Senator and known supporters of the the Alliance have been put on panel of enquiry.

What do you expect to come from its report?

Another praise of the Government much to the delight, no doubt, of the Cabinet; and no doubt that report will be happily presented to international bodies, who would of course echo the praise again.
Why is it that this criminal negligence of Malacca has not brought about a public outcry?

Why is it that we have read of the deaths of over ten persons and the sufferings of hundreds of people without a furore being created over this matter?

Because constitution exists today, but in form and form only.
And I would like to end by saying that in this year, where we are hoping to set up Malaysia, let the Government set the people free; let the Government set up a proper constitutional democracy; and then after the Government has done so, we can discuss who has the majo rity support of the people and who has the minority support.

Sir, if you refer to the newspapers for the last one and a half years you will find hardly one strong criticism of the Government.
There is fear to criticise because of the growing list of condi licence of any tions put on every national newspaper; and as long as this cancer spreads, there is fear in the people which will cause the diminish- ment of opposition, or the voicing of opposition, without which there can never be constitutional democracy, and slowly the people will die and out of death there will rise the ogre which will in the form of Fascism trample our people.
Thank you.. Mr Speaker: The sitting is suspended for 15 minutes.

Sitting suspended at 6.15 p.m.

Sitting resumed at 6.30 p.m.

Debate resumed.

Tuan Syed Esa bin Alwee (Rata Pahat Dalam): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, 433 28 MAY 1963 434 saya tidak-lah hendak berchakap pan- jang di-dalam Dewan ini kerana hendak memberi peluang kapada Menteri2 Yang Berhormat untok menjawab hujah2 yang telah di-datangkan oleh Ahli2 Yang Berhormat di-sa-belah sana.
Hanya saya suka mengambil peluang dalam masa yang sengkat ini menguchapkan sa-tinggi2 terima kaseh atas Titah Duli Yang Maha Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda Yang di-Pertuan Agong dalam pembukaan Parlimen pada hari Rabu 22hb Mei, 1963, yang lalu.
semenjak negeri telah di-jalankan Daripada titah uchapan di-Raja itu dapat-lah ra'ayat Persekutuan Tanah Melayu mengetahul dan faham lang- kah2 yang oleh Kerajaan dari ini merdeka dan banyak-lah perubahan2 daripada berbagai2 perkara yang boleh membawa kema'moran, kesejahteraan dan kesenangan dalam negeri ini.
Sa- kali pun Kerajaan belum dapat banyak memberikan atau mengadakan bebe- rapa perkara yang memberi kesenangan kapada pendudok2 dalam negeri ini sa-bagaimana yang di-kehendak oleh mereka, tetapi saya perchaya mereka itu ada-lah puas hati dan bershukor ka-hadrat Allah Subhanahuwata'ala ke rana telah mendapat sadikit sa-banyak perkara2 yang belum mereka dapat pada masa dahulu.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ranchangan pendudok2 Kerajaan menggalakkan kampong bertanam dan berternak itu telah dapat sambutan yang baik dan sa-tengah daripada sa-tengah-nya ada- lah maju dan mendapat kejayaan.

Satu perkara yang saya suka membayangkan ia-itu perkara pasaran.

Saya di-sini fikir Menteri yang berkenaan patut-lah mengadakan pasaran yang tertentu supaya dapat-lah barang2 di-keluarkan itu di-hantar kapada pasaran itu kerana dapat harga2 yang mahal sadikit.
di-kehendaki yang Sa-perkara lagi, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, dalam Titah Duli Yang Maha Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda Yang di-Pertuan Agong dalam Kementerian Kerja Raya, Pos dan Talikom ada menyatakan: ".

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jambatan di-tapak Feri Prai dan sa-buah tambak di-Juru."

Jambatan ini akan di-dahulukan kerja- ini dan akan siap nya pada lama di- tahun lain2 tahun 1964.

Jambatan Tanah dalam Puteh dan jambatan akan di- atorkan dalam tahun ini.
Saya merayu- lah kapada Kementerian ini supaya sungai di-Batu Pahat dan di-Muar yang telah di-ura2kan tahun lalu itu dapat di-timbangkan dan dapat di-mulakan kerja-nya di-dalam tahun ini.

Pada pagi tadi saya telah dengar Yang Amat Berhormat Tunku Perdana Menteri ka-Jepun akan berangkat menghadiri satu perjumpaan dengan President Soekarno berunding dalam perkara keamanan negeri.

Kita semua berdo'a kapada Allah Subhanahuwa- ta'ala mudah2an segala chita2 yang baik Allah Ta'ala kabulkan.
Dato' Mohamed Hanifah bin Haji Abdul Ghani (Pasir Mas Hulu): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun ada-lah menyokong pindaan yang di-bawa oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Bachok kerana dengan membacha Titah di- Raja ini maka pehak kami di-sini tidak-lah puas hati kerana banyak perkara2 yang besar tidak terkandong itu.
Sa-bentar dalam Titah di-Raja telah mendengar Yang tadi kita Berhormat wakil Pontian Selatan dukachita bahawa kerana di-dalam Titah di-Raja tidak tersebut atas permintaan bagi me- nyamakan gaji guru2 wanita dengan guru2 laki2, ini menunjokkan bahawa Titah di-Raja ini tidak-lah lengkap dan kemas sa-bagaimana yang di-katakan oleh Ahli2 Yang Berhormat dari sa- belah sana.

beliau merasa share2 di-Pertua, Tuan Yang perkara RIDA dan baharu2 telah ini kita dengar RIDA telah membeli share N.E.T.S.
Bus Company di-Kota Bharu dan RIDA telah memutuskan hendak menjualkan 25 peratus itu kapada orang2 Melayu, dan khabar- nya sudah di-jual lebeh 4 peratus dari pada harga asal-nya.

Ini bukan-lah chara hendak menolong orang2 Melayu dalam berniaga.

Dan ini bukan-lah chara-nya RIDA patut berbuat demi- kian.

Sebab kalau hendak menjualkan itu kapada orang2 Melayu share2 hendak-lah di-jual pada harga yang asal—jangan mengambil untong, sebab itu kurang sangat orang2 Melayu di- Pantai Timor membeli share2 itu.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Kerajaan ada chuba 435 28 MAY 1963 436 sangat ini bukan ma'ana-nya merayu kapada sharikat2 perniagaan dan perusahaan untok menerima orang2 buroh2.

Menjadi Melayu menjadi buroh pe- nyertaan yang bererti sangat dalam perniagaan dan perusahaan.

Tetapi itu pun kerja Kerajaan sadikit kerana saya tahu banyak sharikat2 dan perniagaan banyak ambil nama sahaja orang2 Melayu bekerja di-dalam-nya.
Sa-patut-nya Yang Berhormat Menteri yang bekenaan hendak-lah mengambil tahu dan sentiasa mengambil berat serta menyiasat buroh2 Melayu dalam tiap2 company supaya jangan mereka mengelak daripada membawa orang2 Melayu bekerja dalam sharikat2 per niagaan dan perusahaan, dan kalau ini pun tidak dapat di-buat ta' usah-lah banyak propaganda.
Maka dengan sebab itu-lah, pehak kami telah mem bawa satu usul dalam Parliamen ini ia-itu supaya di-adakan satu dahulu peratoran dan undang2 bagi mengambil orang2 Melayu bekerja dalam lapangan perdagangan dan perusahaan, tetapi malang-nya, Yang Berhormat Menteri yang berkenaan telah menolak usul itu dengan mengatakan bahawa serba- serbi-nya telah berjalan dengan baik, dan orang2 Melayu tidak akan keting- galan dalam lapangan perdagangan dan perusahaan.
Dalam Titah uchapan Duli Yang Maha Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda Yang di-Pertuan Agong ada mengata kan. "Bagi pehak Kerajaan Beta, Beta suka hendak menguchapkan terima kaseh kapada mereka yang telah menunai- kan kewajipan-nya dengan ta'at setia dan menjalankan berbagai2 tugas dengan tekun."
sa-tinggi2 senang Ini-lah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perkara yang sa-kali menguchapkan terima kaseh kapada pegawai2 ini, sebab uchapan terima kaseh itu hanya-lah ayer liur sahaja, tetapi apa-kah layanan yang di-berikan bagi memperbaiki keadaan hidup pegawai2 Dewan ini sudah jemu dengan pengakuan2 dan kenyataan2 Menteri2 dalam hal pega wai2 dan kaki-tangan Kerajaan.
Chuba kita lihat nasib kaki-tangan2 jawatan rendah, saperti anggota polis mereka ini mempunyai tugas yang tegas, dan telah menggula2kan dengan Kerajaan kenaikan gaji anggota polis ini akan di- fikirkan.

Fikir dan hingga hari ini nasib anggota2 polis yang bergaji rendah tidak terbela dan gaji mereka tidak di-naikkan walau pun pehak kami di-sini mengemukakan tuntutan2 dari sa-masa ka-samasa.
Dalam per kara ini Ahli Yang Berhormat dari juga menyatakan Seberang Tengah supaya gaji anggota2 polis ini dapat di-pertimbangkan dan segera kenaikan gaji di-lakukan.

ini Bersenjata Tuan Yang di-Pertua, anggota2 polis ada-lah mempunyai tugas yang berat.

Oleh yang demikian maka mustahak- lah mereka ini di-tambah gaji mereka sa-bagai penghargaan kapada khidmat mereka.

Terima kaseh sahaja daripada Kerajaan pada tiap2 kali uchapan di- tidak-lah mendapat membela Raja nasib mereka itu.
Titah uchapan di- tentang telah menyebutkan Raja ikhtiar Kerajaan hendak membesarkan Angkatan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu, tetapi satu perkara yang saya perhatikan berlaku dalam tentera kita yang menunjokkan ia-itu tidak berjalan dengan Kerajaan betul telah nampak pileh kaseh kapada orang2 gulongan yang tertentu dalam memberi jawatan2 yang penting dalam tentera itu.

Gulongan ra'ayat biasa, walau pun lama berkhidmat dan sama pangkat-nya tidak di-galakkan.
Per- buatan saperti ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak patut di-lakukan dalam tentera di-mana kita berkehendakkan perkhid- matan yang penoh dalam tentera yang tidak di-ganggu oleh perasaan tidak puas hati yang di-timbulkan akibat pileh kaseh dan tekanan yang halus itu.

ini chuba Dalam memperkatakan ini, saya pegawai2 Kerajaan ingin berchakap terhadap kaki-tangan2 Kerajaan yang kekaruti tidak mahu menyokong politik Perikatan.

Tekanan2 itu di- rasai oleh kaki-tangan2 Kerajaan.


Siapa yang hendak menunjokkan kesunggoh-nya dalam fikiran-nya me- nentang dasar Parti Perikatan, di- tukarkan dan di-tekan.

Banyak chon- toh yang berlaku di-merata2 tempat di- seluroh Persekutuan Tanah Melayu.
Kebebasan dan menganut fahaman politik yang sa-suai dengan tidak pemikiran lagi di-beri saperti sedangkan orang2 yang mesti-nya; berfikir 437 28 MAY 1963 438 ahli2 propaganda-nya di-beri per- menyokong Perikatan lindongan yang tidak halal, kelas dewasa di-seluroh Tanah Melayu ini hampir 90 peratus guru2 dan penyelia2 dan ada-lah penyokong2 Perikatan.
Ini bukan-lah satu rahsia bahkan ada-lah di-ketahui oleh umum, dan ini telah menyebabkan orang chara telah meluat kapada Kerajaan Perikatan yang zalim dalam mengendalikan dalam pentadbiran negeri ini; dengan membelanjakan wang ra'ayat kerana kepentingan parti mereka.

Kita tahu juga, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, Bahagian Khas Jabatan Pene- rangan ada-lah penoh dengan agent2 Parti Perikatan dan ahli2 propaganda- nya, dan di-beri gaji wang ra'ayat bagi kepentingan parti mereka.
ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Perkara terjadi masa penjajahan, dan tidak patut di-ulang lagi.

Tetapi apa yang saya muskilkan ini ada-lah chubaan daripada pehak Parti Perikatan bagi menghasud Kerajaan dengan tujuan di- tahan dan di-tangkap banyak lagi penganjor2 dan ahli2 siasah dalam negeri ini yang berlawanan dasar dan pendapat, kerana Pilehan Raya telah hampir supaya mereka senang menang dalam Pilehan Raya.

Ini-lah akal-nya.
Ini-lah akal-nya.

Oleh sebab saya telah berjanji dengan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berchakap sa- takat sa-lama 10 minit sahaja, maka tidak-lah dapat saya memanjangkan perchakapan saya ini walau pun banyak perkara lagi yang saya hendak chakap- kan. Tadi saya telah mendengar hujah2 Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Seberang Tengah dan juga Ahli Berhormat dari Jelebu-Jempol yang mentafsirkan pen- dirian dan demokrasi dalam fahaman PAS ia-itu demokrasi di-atas hak-nya.
Kita telah menegaskan bahawa pen- dirian PAS ada-lah demokrasi atas hak orang2 Melayu sendiri.
Kalau sa-kira- nya Ahli2 Yang Berhormat itu dan UMNO sendiri tidak mahu, atau tidak sanggup memperjuangkan hak bangsa Melayu yang sa-benar-nya, atau hanya sanggup main2 sa-tengah sahaja, maka baik-nya di-terangkan kapada ra'ayat dengan jelas dan saya harap kedua2 Ahli Yang Berhormat itu terangkan kapada pe- apabila balek ngundi2 dalam kawasan mereka supaya pengundi2 mereka dapat faham dan dapat menentukan sikap mereka sama ada mereka akan menyokong Parti Perikatan pada masa akan datang atau pun tidak.
Kalau sa-kira-nya bagini-lah pendirian penganjor2 UMNO, maka lebeh baik serahkan sahaja kapada kami bagi memperjuangkan nasib orang2 Melayu.

Kami ada-lah sanggup untok memperjuangkan hak mutlak bangsa Melayu dalam tanah ayer kita.

perkara itu Dan bagitu juga sa-malam Yang Berhormat wakil Seberang Utara dalam hujah2-nya telah chuba menghasud Kerajaan, dan memberi gambaran bagaimana pakatan K.M.M.

dahulu dan tentera2 membawa Jepun masok ka-Tanah Melayu dan P.K.M.M.

yang chuba memberuntak dalam negeri ini.


Enche' S. P. Seenivasagam: Mr Speaker, Sir, one does not usually take the trouble to reply to the speech of one whom one considers to be mentally deranged, but then the speech of the Honourable Member for Larut Utara has received a certain amount of publi city.

Therefore, I intend, in the very short time at my disposal to make a brief reply.

I was not here, and if I am wrong I should be stopped, because I rely on a report from the newspaper.
The Honourable Member is supposed to have said that we first came to know His Highness the Sultan of Perak at a ceremony concerned with the opening of a car park in Ipoh and ever since then we have been attempting to curry favour with His Highness, Now, for the the Honourable Member for Larut Utara, my parents and my family have known successive the Sultans of Perak Member for Larut Utara ever dreamt that he would one day rise from the gutter the Sultan.
to come within sight of information of long before The second allegation which the Honourable Member for Larut Utara has made is that the Peoples' Progres sive Party wishes to do away with Sultans.

That again is in the newspaper report.

I say, if he has said that, it is a deliberate lie.
I invited him to pro duce any document, any statement, by the Peoples' Progressive Party that it wishes to do away with Sultans—and if he could do that, I will resign my 439 28 MAY 1963 440 in resorts seat in Parliament tomorrow.

This is the sort of lying that the Honourable Member for Larut Utara always and this House, forever to bringing disgrace to his own com munity.

The Honourable Member for Larut Utara also asks, what right have So-and-so to demand apology on behalf of the Sultan?
I say that it is not only the right but also the duty of every loyal subject of a Sultan to see that the Sultan is not insulted; and if one feels that the Sultan is insulted, it is his duty as a loyal subject to demand redress for him.
The Honourable Member, I take it, is a loyal subject of His Highness the Sultan of Perak, but from his utterances in this House, it is obvious that his loyalty does not lie with His Highness but lies with the political Party which makes it possible for him to earn his daily bread.
On the question of relationship between the Rulers and the Federation Government or the Prime Minister, I would suggest that the proper thing to do would be for the Honourable Prime Minister to advise the Govern ments of Selangor and Perak to resign, because that is what would happen in any other country where there are self- respecting men.

You are supposed to be advising His Highness, and when His Highness says, "No confidence in you", what is the proper thing to do, what is the decent thing to do?
The proper thing to do is to say, "All right, let us see who is right—the Sultan is right, or we are right."

Stand for elec tion again.

But no, with skins thicker than an elephant's hide they stick on to office, although the Sultans have said, "We have no confidence in you."

That is the sort of democracy that is being practised in this country.
In so far as the Member for Larut Utara is concerned, I propose to leave it at that, although if I had more time I could say more on his speech— though, perhaps, I shall be doing honour to him by talking much about him.

Regarding the Prime Minister, 1 was surprised, because seldom have I seen him descending almost to the level of the Honourable Member for Larut Utara, because in his speech he certainly became offensive and abusive.
Referring to the Honourable Member for Ipoh, he said, "Where would his education be if his family had not migrated to Malaya."?

That I take to be a sneer directed against immigrants.

But may I ask the Prime Minister to remember that today he would not be existing as a human being but for the immigrants?

Let him think over before he sneers at immigrants.


sengkat, (rashuah corruption The Minister of Transport (Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sudah lama me- nunggu hendak menjawab, tetapi oleh saya sudah kerana waktu rengkaskan sahaja jawapan saya.

Yang pertama saya hendak menjawab tudo- han2 yang tidak ada alasan berkenaan dengan atau makan suap) dalam Pentadbiran Kere- tapi yang di-bawa oleh Yang Berhor mat dari Bungsar.
Saya menafikan dengan sa-keras2-nya tentang perkara ini Beliau ada membawa tiga tudohan.

Yang pertama mengapa Lembaga Pe labohan Port Swettenham menyewa lori daripada cargo handling, tetapi lori yang di-gunakan dalam kawasan pelabohan itu tidak bayar chukai.

Sa- bagai sa-orang Ahli Yang Berhormat, ia-itu lori2 yang beliau mesti faham di-gunakan dalam kawasan pelabohan itu memang tidak di-kenakan chukai.

Kalau kerana itu-lah kata-nya corrup tion—saya tidak tahu apa yang saya hendak chakap.
Ahli Yang Berhormat tidak boleh menjadi Hakim di-dalam itu.

Yang kedua berkenaan perkara dengan menyewa penarek tongkang (tug).

Kata-nya, pehak pelabohan Port Swettenham tender.

Yang sa-benar-nya, Ahli2 Yang Berhor mat Dewan ini faham bagaimana kita telah di-kutok ia-itu di-katakan pela tidak bohan Port Swettenham layak menerima kapal2 besar dari seluroh dunia ka-mari kerana lambat membongkar barang2.
Saya sa-bagai Menteri yang bertanggong-jawab men- chari jalan dan kami telah pun di- sokong oleh Kerajaan dalam Dewan ini mengadakan satu "ranchangan kilat" (crash programme).

Wang $1 juta telah di-untokkan.

Tambatan2 telah banyak itu di-adakan, tetapi kapal penarek tidak keluarkan itu 441 28 MAY 1963 442 kurang.

Kena-lah dengan sa-berapa segera berunding untok menyewa, kira hari, kerana hendak menchermatkan belanja.

Ini pun dia kata corruption.

Ini pendapat daripada mana?

Saya tidak tahu.


Yang ketiga berkenaan dengan sewa tongkang (lighter).

Saya sa-bagai Menteri telah dapat desakan daripada seluroh orang2 yang berniaga tongkang dalam Tanah Melayu ini hendak chari peluang berniaga tong kang.

Kami telah membena pelabohan yang berjumlah $40 juta harga-nya, hanya beberapa bulan lagi akan sem- purna, tetapi kalau kami hendak mem- bermaharajalela biarkan tongkang tidak berguna, tentu-lah pelabohan kapal2 sa-mata2 akan menggunakan tongkang2.
Tetapi apabila tongkang kurang kerana membongkar barang2 di-Sungai Klang, maka Lembaga Pe labohan Port Swettenham itu di-beri kuasa untok menyewa tongkang2 yang ada di-kawasan Port Swettenham de ngan harga yang murah supaya dapat lekas membongkar barang2 itu.
Al- Socialist hamdulillah, Front yang mahukan pelabohan itu maju dan pekerja2-nya untong sebab banyak kapal datang, berterima kaseh kapada Kerajaan Perikatan, tetapi mereka menudoh Pentadbiran Keretapi ini corruption—makan suap—suap apa yang di-suap-nya itu (Ketawa), suap di-mulut-nya makan nasi hari2—saya tidak tahu.

Itu-lah telatah2 yang saya katakan tudohan2 Yang Berhormat dari Bungsar itu melulu, kata orang kita.

Itu-lah tudohan2-nya.


Menudoh pehak Pentadbiran Keretapi corruption, tidak ada alasan, bahkan sa-mata2 menudoh dengan melulu, dan hendak menjatoh- kan nama baik Pentadbiran Keretapi.

Kerajaan Perikatan dan saya sa-bagai Menteri yang bertanggong-jawab dalam hal ini.

Saya tidak hendak berchakap panjang, sebab sa-bagaimana yang saya katakan, kita hendak mencher matkan masa, itu sebab kita berunding, kemudian kita mengadakan tender jika kita berkehendakkan beberapa banyak lighter lagi pada masa kahadapan.
sa-patut-nya Atas tiga tudohan yang telah di-bawa tadi yang mengatakan chontoh2 itu corruption maka saya menolak tudoh an2 yang tidak ada asas sama sa-kali.

Yang kedua soal mogok semua orang sudah lupa kesah itu, sudah basi, tetapi di-katakan Menteri tidak bertanggong- jawab, fasal mogok di-katakan Menteri tidak bertanggong-jawab dan di-minta berhenti.
Yang Berhormat dari Bungsar ini hendak menjadi hakim, saya belum lagi mahu menerima dia menjadi hakim dan mahu menerima hukuman-nya, yang saya boleh pegang ia-lah Yang Teramat Mulia Ketua Parti Perikatan Tunku Abdul Rahman dan Perdana Menteri Persekutuan Tanah Melayu yang melantek saya sa-bagai Menteri dan saya perchaya penoh saya telah melaksanakan apa juga kewajipan saya sa-bagai Menteri Pengangkutan, kalau di-minta keterangan "not my business", "bukan kerja suka menerangkan, pada satu hari pemberita surat-khabar Inggeris bertanya kapada saya, kenapa saya tidak masok cham- por di-dalam mogok.
Saya jawab itu bukan kerja saya, kerana Menteri telah menjalankan kerja-nya Buroh supaya selesai mogok, tetapi tidak jaya dan saya tidak di-minta oleh pehak RUM menyelesaikan mogok saperti yang di-minta kapada Yang Mulia Ungku Aziz.

saya".

Saya Mr Speaker: Order!

Order!

Saya hendak ingatkan di-dalam Order of the Day ada satu usul di-bawa supaya Menteri itu berhenti daripada jawatan- nya.
Jadi, saya rasa mengikut Standing Order jika ada satu usul yang khas tidak boleh-lah di-chakapkan lebeh dahulu dan manakala sampai usul itu datang di-bahathkan di-dalam Majlis ini baharu-lah boleh di-chakapkan.

Saya boleh-lah benarkan sadikit sahaja untok menjawab-nya, tetapi tidak boleh panjang dengan sebab perkara itu ada di-sebut oleh Yang Berhormat dari Bungsar dahulu.

Jangan-lah di-pan- jangkan kerana kita akan membahath- kan usul yang ada di-hadapan Majlis ini.
Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Terima kaseh, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dia tidak ada di-sini, jadi kita tidak dapat tahu sama ada usul ini hendak di-bahathkan atau tidak.

Saya juga tudohan2 yang di- mempertahankan hadapkan kapada Pengurus Besar Perkhidmatan Keretapi Tanah Melayu yang di-sebutkan nama-nya Dato' Ahmad bin Perang bagaimana yang 443 28 MAY 1963 444 di-dalam tidak layak tersiar di-Utusan Melayu itu.
Saya sa- jawatan ia memegang bagai Menteri yang bertanggong-jawab memang perchaya dengan kebolehan Dato' Ahmad bin Perang sa-bagai sa- orang yang mahir soal administration atau perkhidmatan dan beliau telah pernah menjadi Setia- Usaha Kewangan Negeri Johor dan dari sana ka-RIDA dan beliau mem- betulkan Sharikat NETS di-negeri Kelantan yang Kerajaan telah memin- jamkan wang dua juta ringgit dan sekarang mendapat kemajuan sa-lepas tahun 1947 ini banyak untong, juga di-dalam suatu masa dahulu masa menjadi Ketua RIDA beliau dudok di-dalam Majlis Lembaga Keretapi yang mana beliau faham juga selok belok keretapi, oleh kerana beliau mahir dalam administration kewangan telah di-pileh menjadi maka beliau Pengurus Besar Keretapi Tanah Me pehak2 layu.
Patut pembangkang menguchapkan terima kaseh kapada Kerajaan Perikatan yang telah memileh sendiri.

sa-orang anak negeri kita Beliau juga menjalankan ikhtiar meno- long bekerjasama dengan pehak2 ini dan dengan kerjasama-nya dapat me- rundingkan dan dapat menyatupadu- kan enam Union menjadi sa-buah.
Sa- lain daripada itu beliau dalam men jalankan bagaimana kewajipan-nya Yang Berhormat faham keretapi telah tahun 1959 dekat 5 juta rugi pada pada alhamdulillah ringgit, tahun 1960 dan 1961 dapat menutup kerugian itu.

Ini ada-lah menunjokkan kechekapan beliau dan kerjasama dari pada pehak pekerja2.
Tetapi saya duka- chita, kapada pehak pekerja2 ini telah pun ada peratoran2 Perlembagaan Joint Council yang mana kira-nya tuntutan gaji-nya yang itu tidak boleh di-setujukan maka boleh di-rojokkan kapada pehak yang ketiga atau orang tengah, malang-nya pehak Union tidak mahu merojokkan, dengan itu-lah menjadi satu keputusan pehak Jadi, Union mengadakan mogok.

itu mogok keretapi sa-lama 24 hari bukan-lah sebab tidak bijak dan bukan- lah tidak ada kebolehan Pengurus Besar- nya atau pun Menteri.
Saya suka menerangkan kapada Yang Berhormat itu berkenaan dengan dari Bungsar telah di-majukan tetapi ini itu membacha stability atau industrial peace, keten- teraman kerana perusahaan di-dalam negeri itu ada-lah tertanggong di-atas saling mengerti, timbang rasa pekerja2 dan majikan-nya.

Jadi soal ini di-dalam hal keretapi pun bagitu juga-lah, bukan fasal Menteri atau Pengurus Besar- nya.
Kalau Yang Berhormat dari kenyataan2 Bungsar daripada Mahkamah yang telah di- adakan penyiasatan tentang perkara itu di-situ di-terangkan bukan kapada juga kapada pehak pehak keretapi, Kesatuan Buroh Keretapi kerana fasal lambat menyatukan enam Union itu menjadi satu pertubohan National yang di-namakan RUM, walau pun saya dan sahabat saya Menteri Buroh telah di-jemput merundingkan perkara ini beberapa kali, tetapi makan sa- tahun atau dua tahun, lepas itu telah bersatu, kemudian menubohkan Joint Council beberapa yang memakan bulan, sebab itu-lah saya harap wakil faham berkenaan dari Bungsar dengan mogok tidak boleh di- ini salahkan kapada Menteri atau kapada Pengurus Besar-nya.
Kami harap Dewan ini faham bagaimana meshua- rat kami sampai larut malam pada waktu itu, kerana kami hendak men ikhtiar mengelakkan dari jalankan pada mogok itu, pertama sa-kali waktu saya belum lagi masok rumah sakit kena potong appendex, lepas itu walau pun saya belum semboh sa-kali saya telah bekerjasama.
Pada satu malam 15 haribulan Yang Berhormat Menteri Buroh dan Menteri Kewangan dan saya sendiri telah bersidang sampai hampir pukul 11.30 malam di-rumah Menteri bersama Kewangan, Menteri Buroh dan dengan persetu- juan Ungku Aziz dan persetujuan pehak keretapi dan pehak Union, kami pergi di-University Malaya sam pai lepas pukul 12.00 malam.
Menteri Buroh dan Menteri Kewangan balek ka-rumah mereka kerana telah lewat waktu, saya tinggal bersama2 pehak2 yang berkenaan di-University itu sam pai pukul 8.00 pagi sa-hingga di-buat persetujuan perjanjian dalam perkara2 yang di-tuntut dengan keadaan yang baik dan sa-suai, maka ini-kah yang di-katakan saya Menteri yang tidak bertanggong-jawab, bukan itu sahaja, semua kita 445 28 MAY 1963 446 12.00 setuju ini kesah yang pertama, tetapi kesah yang kedua apabila hendak di-tanda tangani perjanjian pada 22 haribulan tengah hari Januari pukul kedua2 ka- datang pehak pejabat saya dan mereka menguchap- kan terima kaseh kapada saya, dan fasal yang ketiga pula pada malam 29hb March Ketua2 Pertadbiran Keretapi dan Ketua2 RUM berjumpa di-meja bulat waktu makan malam bersama2 dengan Menteri Kewangan, Menteri Buroh dan beberapa orang pegawai yang mengambil bahagian menyelesaikan mogok buroh RUM di- rumah saya kerana saya hendak mem- baikkan perhubongan di-antara Buroh Keretapi dan pehak Keretapi.
Kalau bagini pun saya telah menchari ikhtiar di-dalam soal mogok keretapi maka saya kapada Yang Berhormat2 sakalian menimbangkan atas tudohan2 yang tidak kena pada tempat-nya.
Dalam soal mogok, yang mana saya sa-bagai Menteri Pengang- kutan sahaja boleh menasihatkan kalau di-minta oleh pehak Persatuan fikiran dan pan- RUM memberi dangan, oleh kerana saya tidak masok champor itu kerana saya tiada di-minta oleh RUM, saya telah di-tudoh tiada bertanggong- jawab, pada-hal Kementerian Buroh supaya RUM telah menasihatkan berselesai, tetapi RUM tidak mahu menerima nasihat2 Kementerian Buroh malah RUM memutuskan supaya mogok.
tangan dalam mogok pulangkan-lah itu ada saya jalan2 Sa-lain daripada juga hendak berchakap sadikit berkenaan dengan wakil dari Kota Bharu Hilir; dia tidak ada di-sini, yang menyatakan jalan2 baharu di-bahagi kapada shari- kat2 bas orang China.

Ini satu lagi polisi Kerajaan.

Kerajaan Perikatan tidak dalam baharu ini di- Persekutuan Tanah Melayu bahagi kapada sharikat bas orang2 China.
Ahli Yang Berhormat yang datang dari Kelantan chuba-lah tanya di-mana ada jalan bas baharu di-bagi- kan kapada sharikat2 bas orang China di-Kelantan, di-Kedah bahkan semua sa-kali ranchangan2 pehak RIDA dan kompeni2 Melayu telah di-satukan.
Soal jalan2 baharu ini tidak timbul, yang sa-benar-nya chadangan kalau saya Sa-lain daripada orang ramai itu berkehendakkan per- khidmatan bas dan di-fikirkan oleh RIDA dan kompeni2 Melayu itu belum boleh mengadakan perkhid- matan bas dengan segera dan sa-kira- nya di-persetujukan oleh pehak RIDA pehak orang ramai dan pehak kom peni2 Melayu itu hendak di-adakan siapa2 perkhidmatan bas sementara juga kompeni bas yang lalu di-jalan besar hampir dengan jalan2 itu yang boleh menolong orang ramai, maka baharu-lah boleh kita benarkan buat sementara tetapi tidak membahagi per khidmatan tetap bas itu kapada pehak2 orang China kerana dasar kita me- mang-lah menentang-nya.
itu suka hendak menerangkan berkenaan dengan wakil Ipoh kerana dia telah menyentoh berkenaan dengan perkauman, dan Yang Berhormat Perdana Menteri telah pun menjawab tadi.

Dia telah berkata ada sa-orang Menteri Perikatan konon-nya minta sokongan daripada taukeh2 atau pun cheti2, itu di-tujukan kapada saya.

Yang sa-benar-nya saya tidak minta sokongan dan saya tidak menggunakan perkauman.
Yang sa- benar-nya waktu saya berchakap di- Pulau Pinang dahulu ada menyatakan sahaja di-Pulau kema'moran bukan Pinang bahkan seluroh Persekutuan sebab Tanah Melayu ini dengan Kerajaan Perikatan memegang teraju pemerentahan dengan keadaan yang baik jadi ada keuntongan dan kema- juga Pulau Pinang.

juan Kalau tanya-lah ka pada orang2 yang berniaga—orang2 yang memberi pinjam wang sa-tengah orang Melayu kata cheti, bukan saya hendak undi-nya.

Jadi kita faham dan tahu tudohan itu tidak betul.


tidak perchaya termasok Yang kedua, beliau sendiri meng gunakan perkauman kerana beliau mengatakan di-Sungai Siput kenapa orang2 India tidak di-bahagikan permit kereta sewa.

Saya tahu Sungei Siput itu ia-lah kawasan Yang Berhormat Men teri Kerja Raya Pos dan Talikom, jadi kalau dia tidak boleh menolong orang2 India, masakan Menteri Pengang- kutan boleh menimbangkan supaya orang India di-beri permit kereta sewa.
Saya telah menjawab beberapa kali dalam Rumah Yang Berhormat 447 28 MAY 1963 448 ini, kami membahagi permit kereta sewa bukan kerana pemodal itu orang China atau orang India, tidak, tetapi ada sharat2-nya.

Oleh kerana barang- kali orang2 India itu tidak menjadi bekas pasokan pertahanan negeri ini tidak dapat-lah di-timbangkan.

jadi Saya fikir perkara2 yang dia katakan itu perkauman beliau itu sendiri mem- bangkitkan perkara perkauman dan dia mengatakan saya membangkitkan perkara perkauman.
Kerajaan Per- ikatan hanya boleh menjalankan sa- suatu perkara mengikut dasar2 dan Undang2 yang telah di-putuskan.

Ini- lah sahaja penerangan saya.

The Minister of Health (Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun meng- ambil bahagian di-dalam perbahathan dalam Titah Uchapan Duli Yang Maha Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda Yang di- Pertuan Agong dengan chara ringkas.
Perbinchangan di-atas usul ini saya telah di-beritahu telah terbantut se- mentara waktu pada 23 haribulan Mei di-sebabkan oleh satu chadangan di- bawa oleh wakil Socialist Front dari Tanjong berkenaan dengan wabak ta'aun yang berlaku di-Melaka dan di- Johore.
Oleh kerana perkara itu telah selesai dan hujah2 yang di-kemukakan oleh pehak Pembangkang telah di-jawab oleh rakan2 saya maka saya tidak-lah hendak mengulang2 di-sini tetapi oleh kerana kejadian wabak ta'aun itu ada- lah satu perkara yang menarek per- hatian ramai suka saya mengambil bahagian menerangkan kapada Dewan ini kedudokan yang sa-benar-nya mengikut laporan yang saya terima sa-hingga pukul 9.00 pagi ini.
Keadaan yang sa-benar-nya ia-lah saperti ber- ikut: Jumlah orang2 di-shaki mengidap penyakit itu 393 orang.

Jumlah yang di-sahkan mengidap pe nyakit 140 orang.

Bilangan yang telah meninggal dunia 12 orang.

Jumlah pendudok yang telah di-sun- tek sa-hingga hari semalam ia-lah 1,300,295 orang.

Daripada keterangan di-atas nyata-lah bahawa Kerajaan telah menjalankan segala ikhtiar yang boleh bagi menchegah merebak-nya wabak itu dan sa-hingga usaha2 Ke saya rajaan itu menunjokkan kejayaan.
Usaha2 itu akan di-teruskan sa-hingga pendudok2 dalam negeri ini telah di- suntek dan penyakit itu di-basmikan.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam meng- hadapi krisis ini tujuan dan mutalamat Kerajaan Perikatan ada-lah berlawa- nan dan bertentangan semua sa-kali dengan tujuan dan mutalamat wakil2 daripada Socialist Front dan P.P.P.

Kerajaan menghadapi krisis ini dan menjalankan usaha2-nya berdasarkan dan berasaskan kepentingan national.

Wakil Socialist Front dan P.P.P.


ini menghadapi-nya dan menjalankan usaha2-nya dengan ada-nya wabak ini ia-lah untok kepentingan parti-nya.

Bagi pengetahuan Dewan ini dan ra'ayat Persekutuan Tanah Melayu seluroh-nya biar-lah singkap rahsia yang mendorong usul itu di- bawa ka-mari.

Sa-bagaimana Ahli2 Yang Berhormat tahu bahawa City Council Pulau Pinang ada-lah di- bawah kuasa Socialist Front dan Ipoh Municipality di-kuasi oleh P.P.P.
Tidak lama sa-telah Kerajaan meng- ishtiharkan wabak ta'aun berlaku di-Melaka kedua2 Majlis Bandaran itu telah meminta ubat suntek kolera dari Kementerian Kesihatan bahkan telah wakil P.P.P.

dari Menglembu ini yang mengaku dalam Dewan dia sa-puchok taligeram kapada Kementerian Kesi hatan meminta ubat suntek kolera.
izin Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan Tuan Yang di-Pertua saya suka mem- bacha kandongan taligeram itu: IPOH MUNICIPALITY URGENTLY REQUIRES FIFTY THOUSAND DOZES CHOLERA VACCINE STOP REQUEST YOU ARRANGE IMMEDI ATELY Tuan Yang di-Pertua, angka 50,000 yang di-minta oleh Yang di-Pertua Majlis Perbandaran Ipoh ada-lah satu angka yang patut di-ingatkan oleh Ahli2 Yang Berhormat Dewan ini.
Malang-nya permintaan itu tidak dapat di-hasilkan oleh Kementerian Kesi hatan pada masa itu kerana stock vaccine yang ada pada Kementerian pada ketika itu tidak mengizinkan kita menghabis2kan apa2 faedah kapada usaha menchegah merebak-nya wabak itu pada masa itu.
Pegawai2 Kesihatan berpendapat di-dalam Kementerian ada menghantar SUPPLY 449 28 MAY 1963 450 dengan stock vaccine yang ada pada masa itu lebeh baik usaha menyuntek di-tumpukan kapada pendudok2 dalam Melaka dan negeri2 yang berhampiran dengan Melaka terlebeh dahulu dan apabila stock vaccine bertambah ba- haru-lah di-luaskan ka-seluroh Perse- ia-itu negeri2 kutuan Tanah Melayu yang lain termasok Perak dan Pulau Pinang bahkan kedua2 buah negeri itu usaha2 menyuntek orang ramai telah pun di-jalankan.
Dengan chara itu-lah Kerajaan berpendapat bahawa seluroh pendudok2 dalam negeri ini akan dapat di-pelihara dan di-kawal.

Sa-bagaimana yang saya katakan tadi langkah itu di- tujuan dan mutalamat ambil kerana Kerajaan dalam menghadapi krisis ini ia-lah kepentingan national ia-itu ke- selmatan semua pendudok di-dalam negeri ini.

Tujuan P.P.P.
Tujuan P.P.P.

berlainan sa-kali dan bukan sahaja tidak meng- ambil endah apa yang akan terjadi kapada pendudok negeri ini seluroh- nya bahkan juga mengambil berat kapada kesihatan dan nasib pendudok2 dalam kawasan Ipoh sen- diri.

Dalil-nya terang, pendudok dalam kawasan Perbandaran Ipoh saya per- chaya ada lebeh 200,000 orang pada hal ubat suntek yang di-minta-nya hanya chukup untok 50,000 orang sahaja.

Harus-lah agak-nya vaccine ia-lah untok menjaga sa-banyak itu kesihatan kunchu2-nya sahaja.
Saya harap pendudok2 Ipoh yang lain dan ra'ayat Persekutuan Tanah Melayu akan sedar atas pendirian P.P.P.

yang sempit itu.

tidak Sir, this morning the Honourable Member from Telok Anson touched on the recruitment of doctors from Philip pines.

This recruitment is being under taken to fill the existing vacancies in the establishment for doctors.
Sir, I submit that it is not only mischievous but damaging for a layman of his intelligence to make such a sweeping the qualifications of statement on doctors the Philippines.

My from Ministry does not have the slightest doubt as to the ability of the doctors the Philippines, who will be from appointed on contract the highest standard of service and to our entire satisfaction.
It is to be deplored that in view of the need for additional to give doctors to man our expanding medical and health services, particularly in the rural areas, the Honourable Member has found fit to obstruct the genuine and constructive efforts made by the Government to solve the problem.

It must also be remembered, Sir, that the request for doctors on contract from the Philippines was made by us through ASA.

Thank you.
Thank you.

The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan Siew Sin): Mr Speaker, Sir, there are not more than two points concerning my portfolio which have been raised in the course of this very interesting debate and which will call for a reply from me.

sums by this envisages The Honourable Member for Bachok that the public debt has suggested should not be increased by raising external loans but that domestic loans should be raised instead.
He, I think, probably has overlooked the fact that the Government has raised very sub stantial issuing domestic loans.

In 1962 we raised $195 million by this means, and so far in 1963 we have raised $127 million.

This House, including the Members of the Opposi tion, has approved the Second Five- the Year Plan, and raising of $535 million by the issue of foreign loans.
If these loans are not obtained, then the Plan can be carried out only by reducing domestic con sumption and also probably by increa sing taxation.

I am sure the House will agree with me that there is more merit in the former course, provided foreign loans can be obtained on reasonable terms in order to finance part of our development expenditure.

We should also remember, Sir, that the quantum of foreign loans so far raised by us is certainly not high.
The figure is some than $400 million, and thing for loans are used provided economic projects, that is for projects which can increase the national income or can produce additional revenue, I am sure no sensible person will dispute that such loans are desirable and even necessary at the present stage of our economic development.

We should also remember one thing, and that is that it is not so easy to raise foreign loans.
The very fact that you can raise a loan these less 451 28 MAY 1963 452 for the the to a is that not only lending money it at all shows that the loan will be put to good use because no country, and certainly no body of large investors in a foreign country is likely to contem foreign plate reasonably government unless interest certain but the capital is likely to be repaid.
As such loans are within our capacity, I suggest the amount we have raised so far is well within our capacity, because the criterion in this case is whether the service charges the cost of that interest and other factors, are within our means and I the service charges for $400 million are well within our means considering the size of our economy.
factor whether think is The Honourable Member for Tan- jong, I think, accused me of frustrating the efforts of the co-operative move ment to uplift the living standards of the rural areas.

That charge is so wild that I do not think that serious atten tion need be paid to it.

In any case, the the Prime Minister and Honourable my colleague the the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister have replied to it at length, so I think there is very little for me to add.
I should, however, like to assure this House that the Trea intention whatsoever sury has no of to resisting measures designed strengthen the co-operative movement by the elimination of middlemen, provided that such elimination is consi dered desirable for any industry, in particular the fishing industry and the padi buyers.
We have always been willing to provide funds for co-opera tives, but we have always insisted on sound schemes being prepared before public funds are made available, and I am sure every Honourable Member of this House will agree with this policy.

The need for careful administration has been Public Accounts Committtee itself of which, I believe, the Honourable Member for Tanjong valuable member.

(Applause).
(Applause).

emphasised the by is a The Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications (Dato' V. T. Sam- banthan): Mr Speaker, Sir, I am obliged to the Member for Batu Pahat Dalam for the plea on the Muar and instructions I have given Batu Pahat bridges.

I am glad to say for that requisition to proceed on the land for approaches to both these bridges.

Soon after this land is acquired, road work will go on, on the approaches to these (Applause).

Consulting two bridges.


engineers have been commissioned to undertake the design of both bridges and this work has proceeded to a great extent.

I am quite hopeful that we shall be able to go on with both bridges.

(Applause).
(Applause).

to that that infer therefore, The Minister of Commerce and Industry (Dr Lim Swee Aun): Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Member for Bachok, in a very emotional speech yesterday, criticised the Government for depending upon committee after committee to assist the Malays in their participation in commerce and indus try.

There was more emotion than fact.

It is unfortunate that critics of the Government do not face facts; in fact, they very often distort facts to serve their own purpose.
The Honour able Member has charged the Government has done nothing to help the Malays.

He was against the setting up of committees.

In a democratic Government committees are an essen tial part of the system of government.

Am I, the Honourable Member and the P.M.I.P.

favour dictatorship?

The Honourable Member spoke about handicaps.

He stated that unless he, being disabled, was given a handicap, he would not be able to win any race.
I fully agree with him, and if he does challenge me in a 100 yards flat race, I to run would willingly give him 75 yards handicap or even more.

But when the signal to start the race is given, then the race is a competition.

I run the 100 yards and he runs the 25 or less yards; whoever wins the race is im material.

What that once the handicap has been given, once the race has started, the competition fair competition.

Disabled or is a otherwise, handicapped or not, the race is a competition.
It was in this spirit to his written question on whether the Government is aware of the difficulties the Malays face in commerce and industry.

My that I replied is important is 453 28 MAY 1963 454 that Government reply was that Malays, like any other newcomers into commerce and indus try, will have to expect competition from those already established.

This is a statement of fact.

It is not a state ment of policy.


The second part of my answer is a statement of policy which is is finding and implementing ways and means to help the Malays to obtain greater participa tion in commerce and industry, and overcoming or lessening the impact of competition to be found in these fields.

I have on several occasions in this House reported what Government has done to implement this policy.
Com mittees have been formed to study, to recommend, and implement pro to posals to help Malays in commerce and industry.

fully issued realises through R.I.D.A.

Sir, Malay participation in commerce and industry is a complex problem.

However, the Government has actively pursued this policy of assisting Malays, giving handicaps as it were, in com industry.

The measures merce and taken by Government can be classified under the heads of capital, participa tion and employment.
Under capital, the Government that there is a shortage of capital amongst the Malays.

Up till today, Government has loans amounting to more than $20 million to Malays who want to do small busi ness.

Secondly, at the request of my Ministry, commercial banks are now prepared to accept lands situated out side urban areas as security for loans, provided a proper valuation can be made on these lands.

These banks also give free advice to Malays who wish to know how, what and where to invest profitably.
Thirdly, on the sponsorship of my Ministry, the Sharikat Kewangan Melayu Raya Limited, a finance cor poration, has been established with an all-Malay Board of Directors and in which Malays will subscribe 55 per cent of the capital.

This corporation accepts not only lands situated outside towns as securities, but with the co operation of the State Governments will also accept lands in Malay Reser vations.
Fourthly, the Sharikat Per- modalan Kebangsaan also sponsored by my Ministry is a body for Malay capital formation from which capital can be channelled into different avenues in commerce and industry.

Fifthly, for Malays, who wish into industry on a large scale, loans are available to them from the Malayan Finance Development Industrial Limited.
to venture and into reported industrial enterprises Sir, in addition the backwardness of to all these five sources of capital for Malays through is still loans, Government secured looking for other sources.

Recently, the Cabinet appointed a Committee headed by the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister to examine further the question of granting loans to Malays and Malay companies for commercial and to submit recommendations to the Cabi net.
On Sunday, the 21st April, 1963, that a the Utusan Zaman ministerial committee was set up untok menyiasat kelemahan orang Melayu dalam negeri ini, and criticised the Government for wasting its time in setting up such a committee to investi gate the Malays industry.

in commerce and When a reporter of the Berita Harian drew my attention to this report, I naturally denied the existence of such a committee to examine the economic position of the Malays in commerce and industry.
This does not mean that a ministerial committee does not exist.

It was formed for a different purpose— to announce and I have permission that the Cabinet Committee headed by the Deputy Prime Minister is to exa mine further the question of granting loans to Malays and Malay companies, the economic and not position of the Malays.

These are very things and I hope that the different Utusan Zaman will check its facts before levelling unfounded charges.

No doubt, there is still freedom of the Press.


to examine to use the word of The second group of active assist the ance—or Honourable Member for Bachok, "handicap"—given by Government to Malays industry in commerce and comes under the general term of parti cipation.

To prepare Malay youths the Dewan for active participation, 455 28 MAY 1963 456 Latehan RIDA at Petaling Jaya trains large numbers of Malay youths in accountancy, Chartered Secretaryship, stenography and other commercial subjects.
The Honourable Member for Kota Bharu Hilir laughs at the value of studying book-keeping.

Little does he realise that business means the selling and buying of goods or services.

Money is transacted in business, and accounts are kept through a system of book-keeping.

The first essential in business, commerce or industry is the correct keeping of proper account books; without accounts, there will be no proper cost accounting, no know ledge of profit and loss.
I should have thought that the Honourable Member for Kota Bharu Hilir and others like him, who profess to know so much about commerce, industry and business, would be the first to congratulate the Government for running these classes on book-keeping to prepare the Malay youths to participate in commerce and industry.

Technical training is given to Malay boys in Junior Technical Schools Lanjutan Kampong.
After graduating from these schools the Malay Secretariat in my Ministry helps them in finding employ ment in commercial houses and in industrial firms.

Secondly, under parti cipation my Ministry sponsored the formation of Sharikat Permodalan Kebangsaan, a one hundred per cent Malay company, to which my Ministry has allotted over $4 1/2 million worth in shares from several public industrial companies.
On paper this Company has made more than $5,000,000 if all these shares allotted to it are sold on the market today.

A third issue of shares at par by this Company will soon be open to the Malays, and I would appeal to all Malays, big or small, rich or poor, UMNO or P.M.I.P., to buy these shares.

This is, perhaps, the most positive and profitable form of Malay participation and industry.
commerce Sekolah and in Sharikat Permodalan Kebangsaan has also applied for prospecting permits for tin and iron ore mining.

It also holds properties of great commercial value in Kuala Lumpur and other urban areas.

companies Thirdly, and on a smaller scale, both RIDA and the Division of Co operatives have helped Malay indivi duals and Malay co-operative societies small businesses and to establish bus transport in business.

One of them is the North- Eastern Transport Service in Kelantan.
Now, this Company has declared a dividend of five per cent, and RIDA is now prepared to sell some of its shares to Malays at par plus four per cent.

the Fourthly, my Ministry has launched many Malays the distribution in business, particularly petrol distri bution.

My Ministry is still actively studying and sponsoring other avenues of Malay participation in commerce and industry.
One of major significance will be the formation of the National Construction Company Limited, an association of Malay contractors led by the United Malay Contractors Limited and a wellknown international firm.

The proposed capital will be 55 per cent Malay and 45 per cent foreign.

The formation of such a company, open to all Malay con tractors will make Malay contractors more competitive in the building trade.
Fifthly, before a private industrial firm is given a pioneer certificate, a portion of the share capital is reserved for Malay participation.

If there are any Malays who wish to participate in such private industrial firms, all they have to do is to give names and addresses to my Ministry and we shall put them in touch with such industrial firms.

The third type of assistance given by Government to Malays in commerce and industry is in the form of employment.
Pioneer firms are bound to employ Malays varying from a reasonable proportion to as high as 50 per cent of the total staff at all grades—not merely as labourers but at all grades.

Promising Malay employees have the opportunity and, in fact, some of them have already gone for higher and further training either abroad or at the National Productivity Centre on production management, supervision, job evaluation and trade training.
Sir, these union executive 457 28 MAY 1963 458 taken are some of the positive steps Govern implement our to ment has policy of encouraging and facilitating Malay participation in commerce and industry.

These are the handicaps given to the Malays, and it is only to be expected that once they are launched into commerce and industry, they must face competition.

The Government is assisting Malays of all classes and not a select group of Malays as charged for the Honourable Member by Tanjong.
the and The Honourable Member for Bachok has seen fit to deprecate the valuable work of various Committees of Government set up to assist the Malays in participation in commerce and industry.

The positive steps, which I have enumerated just now, are the recommendations of results of these Committees.
The Government is conscious of the complexity of the problem and will continue to seek new ways and means to reduce the the Malays and imbalance between the other communities in the fields of commerce and industry.

To this end, a Malay Secretariat in my Ministry has been set up.

Each State has appointed a senior officer to act as liaison between the State Governments the Ministry.
A standing working Com mittee consisting of senior officials from various Ministries is advised by a panel of advisers drawn from active businessmen from various communities including Malays in their search for new measures to promote and foster Malay participation.

Parallel com mittees similar to these Federal ones are being set up in the various States.
Far from being obstructive as charged by for the Honourable Member Bachok, these non-Malay advisers have been found to be eager and constructive in their help.

The fact that they have agreed to serve at all, is proof of their to help and co-operate willingness with Government implementing its policy of getting Malays to parti cipate in commerce and industry.
I am glad that the Honourable Prime Minister did, this morning, re-state the Government's policy and pledge to improve the living standards of all our peoples in the country.

in Sir, except for the question of Malay participation in commerce and industry, the Opposition has been particularly silent on Government's policies on trade and industrial development.

This silence is a marked contrast to the last debate on the Budget.
I can only infer that the Opposition in its silence is the Government's silently supporting policy in trade and industrial deve lopment, and I take this opportunity support.

for to (Applause).

thank them their The Minister of Education (Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan): Mr Speaker, Sir, a few Honourable Members spoke in regard to my Ministry, and I wish briefly to reply to the points brought out by them.
The Honourable Member for Ipoh has expressed regret over the fact that no reference to the Ministry of Education has been made in His Majesty's Speech although, he added, education is a matter which has been subject to cri ticisms from time to time.
Sir, I may point out that, in order to reduce the length of His Majesty's Speech, matters pertaining incor porated in the Appendix to the Speech and, as the Honourable Member is aware, the Appendix forms part of the Speech and that the matters contained therein are also subject to debate as in the case of those referred to in the main body of the Speech.
to education were language of that although Malay The Honourable Member has also is the stated national this country, attention must also be paid to educa tion in all the other languages.

In this connection, I must point out that under the existing educational system there are also provisions for primary educa tion in the medium of English, Chinese, Malay or Tamil and for the study of these languages in secondary schools as contained in Part I of the Education Act.
The Honourable Member, Sir, should look at what has happened to Chinese education in our neighbouring countries, and he would appreciate the fact that this country is so liberal in educational matters; and he should be thankful for this.
Regarding the criticisms by the for Seremban Honourable Member 459 28 MAY 1963 460 Timor against frequent changes of textbooks in schools, I wish to assure the Honourable Member that steps are being taken by this Ministry to miti gate any hardships that may be encoun tered by parents in connection with the purchase and use of textbooks.
against the teachers who infringe these the co-operation of regulations by parents as well as members of the public who should inform the Ministry or the Chief Education Officers con cerned so as to enable steps to be taken against the offending teachers.

it, The Honourable Member has also criticised the present education policy on the ground, as he puts that every year many boys are being thrown into the streets.
As the Honourable Member is aware, the secondary conti nuation school education scheme has in order to provide been introduced post-primary education for children who are unable to enter the normal secondary shcool academic stream.

As stated to His the Appendix Majesty's Speech, the present secon dary continuation is by my being now Ministry with a view to finding any better alternative if possible.
school system re-examined in Reference has also been made by the same Honourable Member to the case of a pupil who, it is alleged, even after two years of primary education was unable to differentiate the alpha bets.

It should be remembered that there are many factors which influence education in a child and that the pro gress of learning is not uniform in all children.
As a result, there are pupils who progress in their lessons rapidly, some progress in the normal way and others are slowed down and some others are mentally retarded.

This situation is common in all parts of the world.

It is, therefore, not fair to charge that the teaching methods are wrong, and extreme cases of this nature may arise.

The Honourable Member has also that something should be suggested done to get rid of the private tuition practice.
Private tuition by teachers in fully assisted schools is permitted in certain cases, provided special per mission has been obtained from both the Boards of Managers/Governors and the Chief Education Officers of the States concerned.
Where such pri vate tuition is done, it is quite possi ble that such permission has not been obtained; and action can only be taken On the subject of mutual transfers referred to by the Honourable Member, approval on mutual transfers is depen dant on many factors, and first consi deration must be given to the interests of the schools concerned.
In the case of out of State transfer, such transfers would only be permitted with mutual agreement between the Chief Educa tion Officers of the States concerned the after taking interests of the teachers serve.

Sir, I am not clear as to the reference to the Deputy Chief Education Officer in Negeri Sembilan made by the Honourable Member.

This appointment was only filled for the period 1-1-1956 to 18-2-1962.
How ever, Sir, transfers of teachers is not a matter for subordinate officers in the Chief Education Officer's office to decide.
into consideration the schools where The Honourable Member for Telok Anson referred to paragraph 59 of the in His Mejesty's Special Appendix Speech, where it is stated that: in all in all schools, "As a first step towards achieving its ultimate aim of making the National Language the sole official language of the country and Malay the main medium of instruction the National Language was made a compulsory subject in the Malayan Secondary School Entrance Examination and the Lower Certificate of Education Examination assisted schools from 1962."
Sir, the Honourable Member alleged that the Government had no mandate from the people to make the National Language the medium of instruction as this point was not mentioned in the Alliance 1955 and 1959 Manifesto.
In this connection, I would like to refer the Honourable Member to paragraph the Education Review Com 19 of is mittee Report, 1960, wherein stated that: it "Education at secondary level paid for from public funds shall be conducted mainly in the medium of one of two official languages, with the intention of ultimately using the National Language as the main medium of instruction."
the 461 28 MAY 1963 462 is not inconsistent with It can, therefore, be seen that the state ment in His Majesty's Speech referred to by the Honurable Member for Telok Anson this recommendation of the Education Re view Committee Report.

Sir, I agree that it is the intention of the Govern ment—as the Honourable Member himself is aware—to make the National Language the sole official language by 1967.

This, however, does not necessa rily mean that Malay must be the main medium of instruction by that date.
However, this is the ultimate objective of this, as mentioned before, is clearly stated in the Education Review Committee Report.

the Government and had having complied with The Honourable Member has also drawn my attention to a case where the Education Department asked schools when applying for extensions to existing buildings to put up plans the proposed extensions setting out and these instructions the schools were told that their applications were not approved.
Sir, the Honourable Member contented that it would serve no useful purpose for the schools to put up such plans.

He added that the Education Depart ment should inform the schools at the time when such applications were made that these applications would not be entertained.

Now in reply to that, I must point out that the approval for the extension of school buildings depends on various factors, the most important being the availability of funds.
It is, therefore, necessary for the Chief Edu cation Officer to examine the plans of the proposed extensions in order to determine the need for such extension and the extent of its financial commit ment before deciding whether or not to forward the plans to the Ministry for approval.

In some cases owing to lack of funds, applications for exten sions, though supported by the Chief Education Officer, may not necessarily be approved by the Ministry.
Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pontian Selatan telah membawa soal gaji bagi guru2 wanita.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soal gaji bagi guru2 wanita ini tidak- lah dapat di-asingkan dengan soal gaji bagi semua kaki-tangan Kerajaan dan sa-bagaimana Yang Berhormat itu sendiri tahu ia-itu satu Jawatan-Kuasa telah di-tubohkan oleh Kerajaan untok mengkaji soal ini dan sudah tentu-lah soal gaji guru2 wanita ini akan dapat di-pertimbangkan saksama oleh Jawatan-Kuasa ini.
dengan tahu berpengalaman Sahabat saya Yang Berhormat dari Bachok hendak tahu berkenaan dengan bahasa kemajuan dalam pelajaran kebangsaan.

Saya perchaya sahabat saya ini memang dia sendiri tahu-lah kemajuan2 yang telah pun kita buat kerana beliau ini ada-lah ahli yang memang-lah dalam tentu-lah segi pelajaran dan sudah jikalau beliau masa, penjajah dahulu hanya di-pering- kat pelajaran rendah tetapi sekarang ini sudah ada di-peringkat pelajaran menengah.
Dan jikalau masa dahulu tidak ada pepereksaan "public examination" menggunakan yang bahasa Melayu sa-bagai bahasa dalam pepereksaan itu ya'ani pepereksaan sijil rendah dan juga sijil Persekutuan telah di-adakan di- Tanah Melayu, dalam bahasa kebangsaan juga.
ia-itu, pelajaran juga Sa-lain daripada itu beliau tentu-lah tahu ia-itu daripada awal tahun ini kita telah mengadakan darjah2 persediaan untok masok University di-Sekolah Alam Shah buat pertama kali-nya di- mana murid2 dapat pelajaran menerusi bahasa kebangsaan dengan tujuan supaya pelajaran dalam University Per sekutuan Tanah Melayu ia-itu Univer sity Malaya akan di-adakan juga di- dalam bahasa kebangsaan bersama2 dengan bahasa Inggeris.

Sekian-lah.
Sekian-lah.

The Assistant Minister of the Interior (Enche' Cheah Theam Swee): Mr Speaker, Sir, I intervene just to place one essential point on record and I promise you that I will do it as fast as I can.

The Honourable Member for Bungsar has made another attack so as to make himself heard as regards his objection to the fact that the Federal Capital, i.e.
Kuala Lumpur, is under the administration of the Federal itself—Mr Speaker, Sir, Government this was done as a result of the recom mendation of the Reid Commission.
I believe that the Reid Commission in the proceedings of this Parliament in the last few years has been praised not 463 28 MAY 1963 464 less than two or three times and its report has been declared a sacred do cument, a document which we are pledged to follow very closely, and in this case we have, in fact, followed very closely the recommendation of the Reid Commission.
The Honourable Minister the of the Interior, when he moved Federal Capital Bill on the 12th of September, 1960, quoted the relevant recommendation of the Reid Com mission, which I do not propose to quote, but for the sake of complete ness I would say that it is contained in paragraph 118 of the Reid Commission Report, where very concisely and pre cisely set out are the purpose and the necessity for the Federal Government to control the Federal Capital.
The Government at that time felt fully justi fied—and we still feel fully justified— in having accepted the recommendation of the Reid Commission.

As a result, the provision was set out in Article 154 of the Constitution and following which we subsequently introduced the Federal Capital Bill, which was the successfully process of this House, and which is now known as the Federal Capital Act.
brought through mengundi pindaan yang di-buat oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Bachok ,.. yang berbunyi: "Dengan di-buang noktah di-akhir-nya dan di-tambah: tetapi menyatakan dukachita kerafia titah yang di-hormati itu telah tidak menyatakan langkah2 dan ranchangan2 yang tegas dan berkesan bagi membantu dan memajukan bangsa Melayu dalam perniagaan dan perusahaan dan tidak menegaskan usaha2 dan ranchangan2 Kerajaan Tuanku bagi menghapuskan penjajahan empat Wilayah Melayu di-Selatan Siam dengan chara aman dan damai."
dari Amendment put, and negatived.

Original question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That an humble Address be pre sented to His Majesty the Yang di- Pertuan Agong as follows: "Your Majesty, We, the Speaker and Members of the Dewan Ra'ayat of the Federation of Malaya in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer Your Majesty our hum ble thanks for the Gracious Speech with which the Fifth Session of the Parliament has been opened."

Mr Speaker: Order, order, the time is up.


Ahli2 Yang Berhormat saya hendak Adjourned at 8.00 p.m.