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KINGDOM OF LESOTHO ELEVENTH PARLIAMENT NATIONAL ASSEMBLY Daily Hansard (Official Report) FIRST SESSION SECOND MEETING Tuesday.

21st March, 2023 (Unrevised) NATIONAL ASSEMBLY CHAMBER Tuesday, 21st March, 2023 [The House assembled at 9:00 a.m.] [HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair] PRAYER [The Chaplain Led the House in Prayer] HON.
MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Bahlomphehi Litho tse Khabane, re ntse re tsoelapele ka tšebetso ea rona ea Ntlo ea ho komela Financial Policy joalokaha e le nako ea teng hona joale ho ea ka tsela e ileng ea tekoa ke Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane la Lichelete.

Next item Mr.

Clerk!

PROCEEDINGS ON SUBSTANTIVE MOTIONS AND BILLS 11.

FINANCIAL POLICY Question Again Proposed Resumption of adjourned debate on Question (Monday 20th March, 2023) HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Mohlomphehi Rakuoane.

HON.
HON.

ADV.

L. RAKUOANE(PR): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ho ne ho se ntse ho ena le Setho se Khabane se neng se ntse se tsoela-pele, Mohlomphehi ‘Mantoetse Mohatonyane, feela taba eo ke emang ka eona eo re hlokang tsamaiso, mohlomong pele re liella hobane ke bone hore taba ena ea policy ea fela ‘me ho se ho hlahile makala.
Ho bile le litšitšinyo tseo re tsebang hore ha li tlame, feela Ntlo e li etse adopt, ha li tlame legally but, Ntlo e li etse adopt hore ho tle ho be le moo ‘Muso o eketsang.
Ha ke sure hore na Honourable Minister o ile a arabela taba eno hobane ha a sa e araba, Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 1 moo re ntseng re belaela hore teng ho tlameha ho theoloe a tle a nyolle ‘nqa e ’ngoe, ke etsa mohlala ka litaba tsa ka makhotleng, would be forced hore hotlo tla etsoa amend, athe ha ‘Muso o ne o amohetse hore re utloile li-sentiment tsa hore ho theoloe, re bone eka ho etsoa adjust mona le mona.

Ke hopola Komiti ea haeso, it was very specific.


Ha ke tsebe hore na e ile ea sala joang, ntate Molula-Setulo taba ea hore Directorate on Curruption and Economic Offences (DCEO) on the consultancies ho nkuoe 3 or 4 million Maloti hobane re shebile makhotla a mararo a teng a sa sebetseng mono, a nelang.
Likomiti ha li entse express that sentiments e thusa hore ‘Muso o tle o re, ha re etseng dialogue, re utloile eka mona le bua li-sentiments, re nahana le ka etsa adjustment ena le ena ha e se sieo, re tlo letlama ka li-amendment hona joale, e tlare makala a mang a ntse a checha, re re theolang moea.
Ke hloka tataiso, hobane ha re ka ba re qetella hantle hore na hantle re tla kopanya lintlha tseno joang, rea tseba hore they are not binding legally, feela ke li-sentiments tse kholo tsa Ntlo ha e beile taba, e ebeile ka tsela eno, e le hore re se ke ra fumana re se re sa tsebe ho rena rea lumellanang Likomiting, empa re se re hanana ka Ntlong ka mona, le Litho li tla ferekana.
Athe ha re bua taba ena hantle e etsa hore re utloahale hore we want to get Government, joale e re nanabele, re tloile ha le cho tjena, empa re ne re re mona re ka fokotsang, then we will see mane moo le ntseng le lla hore re ka ea hakae.

Ke eona taba eo ke neng ke re re eme ka eona re qeteng taba ena, ‘Muso o re etse lead into those amendment.

Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi, re tataise.

HON.


MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Rakuoane, ka litaba tsena tseo u reng re li ele hloko,’me kea leboha hobane ke ne se ke ile ka hlokomelisoa hore maobane ha Ntlo e phomola re ne re ntse re ena le Setho se ntseng se tšetšetsa financial policy, empa le ho feta moo ke hlokomelisitsoe hore nako ea ho komela policy e ne e ntse e le teng.
Tebello ke hore Bahlomphehi ba ‘ne ba tsoele pele ba komele Financial Policy, empa qetellong ea letsatsi ho ea lokeleha hore Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane a tle a ikamahanye le lipuo kapa lingangisano tseo ebang le li tekile ka koano e le mokhoa oa ho iketsa pronounce hore na e le ‘Muso ba utloile ho kae,’me merero ke efeng.
Hofeta mono ke hona re tl’o tla re kena kahare ho Committee of Supply moo le teng tebello e ntseng e le ho tla bona reflection ea puso ha e ikamahanya le litaba tse Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 2 tekiloeng ke lona Bahlomphehi ka koano mabapi le financial policy ena.

Kea tšepa ke u arabetse, Setho se Khabane.

Kea leboha.

Ha Ntlo e phomotsoa maobane, Bahlomphehi le ne ntse le tsoela pele ho tšetšetha financial policy.
Ho ne ho ntse ho bua Mohlomphehi Mohatonyane, a bile a salletsoe ke metsotso e leshome.

Ka hona ke mofa monyetla oa hore a tsoele, a teke litaba tsa hae.

leboha,‘M’e Deputy Speaker.

(PR): Kea HON.


M. MOHATONYANE Bahlomphehi, ke ne ke habella ho qetela letsatsing la maobane moo ke neng ke etsa thoholetso ka har’a Financial Policy hore Honourable Minister lintho tseo a buileng ka tsona kahara ‘Muso, o na le taba-tabelo kahara budget ena ho tla li fetisa ke ho tla ntlafatsa litšebeletso tsa mantlha tsa bophelo hohle moo Basotho ba leng teng.
Hara tse ling tsa tsona litšebeletso tsena tseo ‘Muso o nang le taba-tabelo ea ho ntšetsa pele kapa hona li ntlafatsa ke lišebeletso tsa bophelo tse tobaneng le bacha kapa batho ba banyenyane lilemong, bao hangata u tla fumana ho qaloa ho bo 10-19 years.

Re le naha re tobane le kholumo-lumo eo re sa tloaelang ho bua ka eona, mohlomong ka lebaka la kholo ea rona ka ho fapana.
Re na le tlokotsi ea bokhachane bo sa reroang baneng ba rona ba banyenyane, bao e reng ha re kopana le batho ba sebetsanang le litaba tse joalo, ebe ho bonahala bacha ba rona, ka ho otloloha ba banana ba ima ka lilemo tse nyenyane haholo.

Taba ena e re beha tlokotsing re le naha hore re qetelle bacha bano a rona ba ba le tšoaetso ka lilemo tse nyenyane, ha re hlokomela hore tšoaetso lilemong tsa batho ba baholo re bonahala re e beile tlasa taolo empa lilemong tsa bacha ba rona e bonahala e hlasitse haholo.
Taba ena e bolela hore hang ha re qala re eba le bokhachane bo sa reroang lilemong tseno tse nyenyane, ke ho bontša hore bacha ba kena thobalanong ka lilemo tse nyenyane ebile ba sa itšireletsa.

Tlokotsi eo re bang le eona ke ea hore ba ima, ba bang ba qetelle ba kene morerong oa ho ntša limpa libakeng tseo ho se nang litsebo tse nepahetseng ho etsa joalo.

Ba ee ba qetelle ba ntša limpa libakeng tse sa lumelloang hobane kahara naha ka mona ha re na molao o lumellang ho ntša mpa kapa illegal abortion.
Joale re lahleheloa ke bophelo ba baetapele ba rona ba ka moso kapa litalenta tse fapakaneng.
Kutloisiso eo re bang le eona ha re bala budget ena ke hore ‘Muso o tla bona hore litšebeletsong tsa bophelo ho ba le li-corner kapa libaka tse khethetsoeng hore bacha ba fumane litšebeletso tsa bophelo ba se tlasa tšusumetso kapa ba se pela batsoali ba Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 3 bona bao e ka reng ha ba ba sheba feela ba re, enoa ha a se a le tjena o se a le mobe hobane ka lilemo feela ha u lutse pele motho e moholo a ka tloha a re u se u imme ka ho u sheba feela, ‘me e etsa hore bacha ba rona ba tšabe ho atamela litsi tsa bophelo.
Ka budget ena ha ho ntlafatsoa litšebeletso tsena re hlokometse hore bacha bat la kenella libakeng tse ngata, ho tla ba le mokhoa oa ho ba nanabetsa letsoho ka thuto litabeng tsa thari le thobalano, ka thuto ea hore na ‘mele ea bona ena ka bo bona ba tlameha ba e hlokomele joang, le ho utloisisa hore na ba ka qoba joang bokhachane bo sa reroang.
Ke litaba tseo ka malapeng ho bang boima haholo hobua la bana ba rona ka lebaka la khuliso ea rona, empa seo se se nang ho se baleha ke hore re hlokotse ka lipalo-palo, re hlokometse ha re phela metseng le metsaneng hore ruri ha re ena le bana bao ba bang ba bona ba tsoang likolong ka lilemo tse nyenyane hobane motho a imme, joale a tlameha ho ea itlhlokomela le ho hlokomela ngoana ea tlang ho hlaha, ba bang ba qetelle ba hlokahetse nakong ea pelehi hobane ‘mele ea bona e se malala-a-laotsoe ho jara leseea.
Kutloisiso ea rona ke hore selemong se tlang ka budget ena, e tla re ha re bua re be re fumana lipalo tsa bana ba imang ba sa rera li theohile, tšoaetso ea bacha e theohile hobane re ile ra fihlela bano bano ba rona libakeng tseo ba leng ho tsona ka thuto e k aba fetolang kapa ea etsa hore ba utloisise ba be ba tseba hore na seo ba kenang ho sona ha ba kena thobalanong e sa tšireletsoang litlamorao ke li feng.
Re le naha hara lintho tseo re li fihletseng ka budget ena ke hore re khonne ho fihlela taba e mona ea tšoaetso eo ho thoeng ke 90,90,90 hore re fumane 90 percent ea batho ba nang le tšoaetso, re be re ba behe litlhareng, re be re bona hore ba ea litšepahalla.
Re khonne ho feta mono, ‘me ho itsoe naha kaofela ka 2025 e tla be ikemiselitse hore e be e le 95,95,95, ‘me re se ntse re bona hore re tl’o fihla empa qholotso ke hore na re thibelang joang litšoaetso tsena tse bonahalang li hlasitse lilemong tse nyenyane.

Hara tse ling tseo re ka bane le pelaelo e sa buueng, ke hore hara lintho tse ling tse re bakelang litšoaetso tsena ke lithethefatsi tse sa laoleheng kahare ho naha ena.

HON.
HON.

S. HAKANE (Qeme): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Potso ke hore na u ka reng haele moo u ntse u bua hantle ka litaba tsa litšoaetso le mafu a ka bonahalang ’Muso ka boona ho se na chelete eo o e abetseng Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 4 litsi tse thusang hona ho thibela mafu joalo ka Red Cross le Blue Cross le tse ling na?

HON.

M. MOHATONYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.


Taba eo u buang ka eona ka hare ho Komiti ea Social Cluster re ile ra ela hloko hore Blue Cross ha ea abeloa subvention ho hang.

Re ile ra hla ra hlahisa taba eno hore eka beha naha ena tlokotsing.

Red Cross e fuoe subvention ekampa eaba re tla re ha e fihlela moo ba neng ba ka ba le taba-tabelo ea hore ba e fihlele.

Empa chelete e joalo ba e abetsoe.

Nnete ke hore ha hoana mohla chelete e lekanang litlhoko empa ’Muso o entse lentoana la ngoana-ngoanake.
Ha re kopana ka mona re etsa khoeletso e tšoanang e bonang tlokotsi.

Ke rona ba tla tseba ho bua le ’Muso kapa le hona ho re utloa hore etlere ha ho na le lichelete tseo li ka hlahang li akheloe bacheng ho thibela litaba tsena tsa mafu a teng.

Ho ba nanabeletsa letsoho hore ba be le litsi tseo ba ka eang ho tsona ha bobebe le tse ling, mohlomong le ho ba hlahisetsa mosebetsi eleng hore ntho eo ba ka shebanang le eona haholo ebe ho e phelisa ho feta tai le thobalano e sa sireletsehang.
Ke boele ke thoholetse ka hare ho budget ena ho na le taba e ngotsoeng ea bohlokoa ea molao o fetisitsoeng … HON.

M. MPOBOLE (PR): Ke botsa hore na strategy se tlang ho sebelisoa ho fihlella global target ea 95-95-95 ka 2025 na ke se fe?
Ho na le strategy se ntseng se sebetsa kahare ho Lekala la Bophelo sa Self Test se nang le masoba a mangata haholo eo eleng hore ha ho ka shebisisoa litholoana tsa sona li qetella li re fa tsona li tšoaetso tse ngata-ngata tsena tseo eleng hore mohlomong ha ho hlokomelehe le hore na tse ling li tena li runya ka lebaka la mofuta ofeng na?

HON.

M. MOHATONYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Kea kholoa lekala le ne le tla e araba ha betere ho mpheta empa ke kopa ke e arabele.
Lekala la Bophelo har’a lintho tseo ba buileng le Komiti ea Social Cluster, Mohlomphehi, e ileng ea eba karolo, ke hore ba etsa integrated services.

Ba kopanya litsebeletso tsa bophelo ’moho hoe a qala metseng moo teng ba itseng ha ba lelekisa kapa hona ho tsumana le bakuli ba TB har’a tse ling tseo ba li entsang.

Ke hore ba tle ba seke ba siea morao ba tšoaetso.


Re le naha haeba re boemong boo seng ho tlotse 90-90-90 moo ho tseng ling tsa tsona re seng re le ho 92-97 ke bontša hore le ena re tla e hlola.

Empa hoo ho ka bang le likeletso hore na Lekala la Bophelo ho latela hore na re bone liqholotso Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 5 e le lifeng tsa Self Test le tse ling re tla atamela lekala re bue le bona ka mokhoa oo re neng re ntse re etsa.
Ke tsoelepele Bahlomphehi, ke ne ke le kahare ho molao o keneng kahare ho budget oa Counter Domestic Act ao kannete re hlokang ho thoholetsa Paramente ea Leshome hore har’a lintho tseo ba li entseng haeba ho na le ntoa eo ba kileng ba e loanela basali ka nako e telele ba neng ba bonahala ba hlekefetsoa ke phetiso ea moloa ona.

Kahare ho budget ho bontšitsoe hore o tla ngoloa ka Sesotho [liatla].

Eleng hore Mosotho e mong le e mong moo a leng teng a tsebe ho utloisisa.
Ke ho thusa basali le bohle bao ebang ba ea hlekefetsoa ka phethiso ea molao ona ’me boikarabello ba rona ke ho thusa Makala hore Basotho ba utloisise molao ona hobane o tla tlisa phetoho e kholo eo ka nako e telele ho neng ho bonahala ho ena le litlhekefetso tse bang teng.

Ha re qala re eba le naha eo basali ba ka iphumanang boholo ba bona ba hlekefetsoa kapa ba le tlasa khatelo.
Re tla fumana moruo oa rona o oela hobane ba sitoa ho nka liqeto ba phela tlokotsing nako eohle joale naha e tsetela sebakeng se seng mohlomong se fumana hore chelete e ngata e tla ea litoronkong, e ee makhotleng hobane ba se ba tlotse molao ’me kannete Paramente ea Leshome re ea e thoholetsa ka molao ona le oane o lokisetsang… HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi, ke ntse ke qamaka mona, kea bona Bahlomphehi ba mametse ka hloko feela ha ho na ea kopang hore u ekeletsoe nako ’me e felile.

HON.

ADV.
HON.

ADV.

L. RAKUOANE: Ntlha ea tsamaiso, kea mo kopela hore a ekeletsoe nako.

O ntse a tla hantle, che ha ana ho nka nako e telele.

Kea mo kopela.

Ebile ke na le lipotso.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi Rakuoane o etsa kopo hore o mpe o ekeletsoe nako ’me ke tla u fa feela metsotso e meraro hore o phethele Mohomphehi.

HON.

M. MOHATONYANE: Kannete kea leboha, … HON.

ADV.

L. RAKUOANE: Potso Mohlomphehi [Litšeho].

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 6 HON.


MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ke kopa ho u fa Mohlomphehi.

HON.

ADV.

L. RAKUOANE: Kannete ke batla ho ba mokhutšoanyane kaha nako se e e ile.

Na Setho se Khabane se ka reng ka hore ho fetisoe melao mona ebe ha e phethahatsoe kapa le batho ba se ke be ba botsa le ka eona.
Mohlala feela, leha batho ba lla ka taba ena ea li Bill mehlaena, ha o fihla molaong oa tlhekefetso ke ona o reng mohlekefetsuoa a botsoe ele hore ho fumanoe maikutlo a hae feela ha e etsuoe ho kile ha hlahella ha ’ngoe mosali-moholo ea lilemo li-90 a ileng a kapa moshanyana hampe feela a ba a tla etsa protest lekhotleng mona a qala ho sebelisa right eno.

Na Setho se Khabane se ka reng ka hore ebe re tla etsa melao o fumane hore ha e tsebahale botha ho Sechaba.
Na Setho se Khabane se nahana hore ho etsoe maqiti afeng hobane ntho e kholo ke ho hloka tsebo, Setho se bona eka e ka koaloa joang lefifinyana leno kapa gap eno ka sekhooa.

HON.

M. MOHATONYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi, joalokaha ke ne ke se ntse ke le ho eona, molao ona o fetile feela leha Basotho ba sa o tsebe o thotse.

Ke boikarabelo ba Ntlo ena ho bona hore makala a ruta Sechaba ka melao ena.
Empa hape ke boikarabelo ba rona le Ntlo ena mane moo ho itsoeng re abeloe lichelete tsa likomiti, re be le chelete eo re tla tseba hore e tsoe e il’o ruta Basotho ka melao.

Le hore e ngoloe ka Sesotho hobane e ngotsoe ka sekhooa ’me eba puo e batlang e ba thatanyana hore Mosotho e mong le e mong a e utloisise.
Le rona Bahlomphehi re itelle ho bala meloa eno hobane keha feela re e balile re e utloisisa moo re tlang ho tseba hore Sechaba seo re se emetseng re se bolelle ka melao e fetileng le lintle kapa likateng tsa melao eno.

Har’a melao e fetileng eo ke mpang ke re ke tle ke theohe mona ke thoholelitse … HON.

P. KELANE (’Maletsunyane): Ntlha ea tsamaiso.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Setho se Khabane.

HON.
HON.

P. KELANE: Ntlha ea tsamaiso eo ke emang ka eona kea hore maobane re ile ra bua taba ea hore Bahlomphehi Matona a be teng ka mona.

Ene e le Motlatsi oa Moetapele a neng a le teng.

Letsatsing lena o se a le sieo.

Hosane e mong o tla be a le sieo ba chenchana, beke e tla feela ho tlile ba bararo feela, ba Bahlomphehi ba hlokomela taba ee eo re buang ka eona na?

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 7 HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea leboha.

Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane.


Ke hlokomela ha ke sheba ka letsohong laka le letona hore Bahlomphehi Matona a Khabane ba ’maloa ’me ho ntse ho sebetsa taba ea collective responsibility.

Moo teng joang kapa joang ha hona ka tsela eo Ntlo e ka lulang ho sena Moetapele oa Ntlo.

Ke tsepa hore tsohle tse ntseng li tekoa ka mona ehlile li ntse li fihla litsebeng tsa Puso ka kotloloho.

Kea leboha.

Tsoelapele Mohlomphehi.

HON.


M. MOHATONYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi ke kopa ho qetela feela ka hore ke thoholetse Paramente ea Leshome hore har’a melao eo ba e fetisitseng ke oane o thusang bahlolohali bao ka nako e telele ho neng ho tloaelehile hore lithepa tsa bona ha ba se ba hlokahaletsoe ke balekane li tla nkuoa ke ba batona kahare ho malapa ano, ’me molao ono o ile oa feta [Liatla].

Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Your time is up, Setho se Khabane.
Setho se Khabane sa Thaba-Phatsoa.

HON.

T. MARETLANE (Thaba-Phatšoa): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Kannete ke tla kopa litabeng tsaka pele ke li qala, ke tle ke lebohe Mahlomphehi Moetapele oa Opposition, Mohlomphehi Qhoali, Mohlomphehi Nqosa Mahao le Mohlomphehi Lekhetho Rakuoane.

Re ba leboha ka tsela e khethehileng.

Ke ne ke re kea leboha ka boeletsi boo ba ileng ba fana ka bona le oa haeso ea fihlang mona Paramenteng Mohlomphehi Motete le ileng la akhela molangoana.
Kannete litaba tseo ba li buileng ke litaba tsa bohlokoa haholo tseo motho o ithutileng hore batho haele batsamai ba tsela ba tseba hore na likoti tseo ba ileng ba kopana le tsona ke lifeng, likoti tseo ba ileng ba kopana le tsona ba re elelitse re le ’Muso hore kannete re tle re shebe hore re tle re se ke ra fihla ra oela likoting tsona tseno.

Ke lintlha tsa bohlokoa tse ba li buileng tseo ho bonahalang ka nako eo ba neng ba busa ho ile ha eba le bothata mane le mane.
Kannete ke ne ke re ke lebohe hore ba ile ba re bontsa tsela rona na fihlang.

Taba eo e etsa hore rona re le ’Muso re itokise hore re bone hore re sebetsa litaba hantle.

E khothalitse ka hore Nakong e ngata, re bone ka nako ea budget speech kapa tlaleho ea lichelete o tla fumana hore ke oa mpona ka o bona batho ba betsana ka majoe ’me lekhetlong lena ke bona re le Basotho Paramenteng ena ea Leshome le Motso o le Mong (11) ekare re tla bina pina e tšoanang, re tla shebela litaba ka ho tšoana.
Ke ne ke re re ba opeleng liatla ka litaba tse monate tseo [Liatla].

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 8 Ke tla kena litabeng tsa ka ke ile ka sheba budget ea rona e neng e baloa ke Letona la Lichelete.

Litabeng tsena tsa bacha tsa li lipapali (sport).

Joalo kaha Bahlomphehi ba ne ba ntse ba e-cho hore ekare re tsipa-tsipetsoe hanyane.

Ke ntse ke lumela hore re le ’Muso re tla ke re shebe ’me Letona laka le mametse hobane ke le mamelang ka linako tsohle.
Re tlile mona ehlile re re re tlil’o tla mamela hore kannete lipapali ke tsona tse re phelisang.

Ha re ne re hola likolong mane ke hona moo re neng re bontša bokhoni ba rona.

Hona joale tjena ha re sheba lipapali likolong mona ha li sa nketsoe holimo haholo.

Ke ntse ke nahana hore Letona la Lipapali le la Education le shebile.

Le shebile kathata hore bacha re ba otla ba sa tloha tlase mane.
Litaba tsena tseo re ntseng re li bua ka mona ke utloa ’na li nkhothatsa hore Letona le Khabane le tle le shebe joalokaha bana ba lla.

Ke fetele tabeng e ’ngoe.

Ho na le ntlha ea bohlokoa e ileng ea buoa mona, ea taba ea litsela tsena tseo ekang mohlomong li tla shebeloa bo-Katse hoe a Thaba-Tseka, Thaba-Tseka ho ea Mokhotlong.

Litaba tseno li bohlokoa haholo ha o li sheba hobane ke tse ling ke tla etsa hore Bohahlauli bo tla tla bo hola kahare ho naha ena.
O bona batho ba ema mane ba fella Mokhotlong ka lebaka la taba feela ea infrastructure ea litsela.

Re ba le mathata a hore joale batho bana ba tsamae ba pharalle kahare ho naha ba khone ho ea libakeng tse ling tse fapaneng.

Ena e ea re ruta hore kannete ehlile taba ena Mohlomphehi Letona la Lichelete le e bone, ’me e se e ka joalokaha le itse le tla sheba … HON.

L. HLAPISI (’Maliepetsane): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.
Mohlomphehi ea ntseng a bua hantle potso eaka ho eena ke hore joalokaha ehlile le eena a khothaletsa hore re bone ka matla hore lipapali lia anela e le ho hlabolla bana, na ha se bohlokoa hore Mohlomphehi Letona la Puso ea Libaka le Borena le thusane hore motse o mong le o mong ho be le lebala molemong oa hore etle ebe re fihletse seo na?

HON.

T. MARETLANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ketla e araba ka bokhutšoanyane feela … HON.


MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi ak’u e phethe hape ha kea utloa hantle.

HON.

T. MARETLANE: Ke tla kopa ho tsoelapele litabeng tsaka ke arabele litaba tsa Setho se Khabane.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 9 LITHO TSE KHABANE: Order!

Order!

Order!

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi Leader of the House.

Re kopa mohlala ka uena Mohlomphehi.

Ke kopa le mothuse [Liatla].


Ke lebohile ka tsela e khethehileng o ka tsoelapele Setho se Khabane sa Thaba-Phatsoa.

HON.

T. MARETLANE: Rea leboha, Mohlomphehi, o parollotse, rea leboha.

Ntlha eo ke neng ke tsoelapele ka eona ke hore ke arabe potso.

Ache Mohlomphehi Letona la Lipapali le utloile ’me moo lithakali li tla neng li otla otle teng ha li feta re tla nne re a shebe mabala ano joaloka ’Muso hore li otla otle.
Ke ne ke le ntlheng eane ea hore tsela ena eo ho itsoeng e tla shejoa kannete motho oa lakatsa hore e shebeloe tsela eno e tle e tsebe hore e atametse litaba tsa bohlokoa le mokhoa oa ho tsamaea feela, oa hore le linako tse telele tsa ha re ntse re pota-pota o ka fumana re se re fihla kapelenyana bo Mokhotlong.
Ke tla feta ntlha eno ke tle ntlheng ena ea litaba tsa li tliliniki tseo ho bonahalang ka nako e telele li ntse li le teng ho bonahala li sa sebetse, re tle re lebohe Letona la Bophelo ka hore budget mona ke bone litaba tseno tsa li tliliniki tse neng li sena le basebetsi le batho ba neng ba ntse ba li hlokomela li ne li lutse mono joale o fumana hore li se li ntse li senyeha.
Ka thuso tse ntle tseo re ileng ra li thola tse neng li tsoa mane Millennium Challenge, e se eka litaba tseno li sekeheloe tsebe haholo-holo hore li tle li bone hore lia re thusa metseng mane o bone hore leha eba tliliniki e le teng joale e sa sebetse ha hona ntho e bohloko joaloka eno.

Kea tseba Letona la Bophelo ke motho ea tlolang matjato le tla matha ka lebelo la mpshe hore le bone hore litaba tseno lia sebetsa.
E ’ngoe ea bohlokoa eo ke batlang ho e otla mona, Mohlomphehi joale ’na ha ke ntse ke sheba mona ke bona litaba tsena li le bohlokoa haholo tsona tsena tsa taba tsa bophelo.

Kannete re hlokometse hore ho na le litaba tsane tsa batho ba ntseng ba re thusa mane metseng moo ho bonahalang ka nako e telele ba ne ba ntse ba sa thole litsiane.
Re thabile re utloe hore kahare ho budget ena Mohlomphehi Letona la Bophelo le li hopotse litaba tseno ’me le tla li sebetsa ka matjato joaloka kamehla le mehla le tle le bone hore batho bano ba… HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso ka Seho se Khabane sa Makhaleng.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 10 HON.

M. S. LEHATA (Makhaleng) Setho se Khabane sa Thaba-Phatšoa ha se moo ho buuang ka budget joale ke utloa se bua ka Letona la Bophelo empa re bua ka the Ministry of Finance.
He is misleading the House le sechaba.

Financial Policy ke ea Ministry of Finance, ha u bua stick on the speech.

Thank you.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea e utloa point of order ea hao Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane.

Financial policy, indeed kea Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane la Lichelete empa e akaretsa Makala ka ho fapana.

Bahlomphehi ke ntse ke ba lumella hore ba ‘ne ba theputse moo ba utloang litaba tsa Mohlomphehi Letona la Lichelete li amana le Makala a fapaneng.
Ka hona ke tla re point of order ena ha se eona.

Tsoela pele, Hon.

Member.

HON.

T. MARETLANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi ke tla thala, e re ke e fete.

Ntho e ‘ngoe eo re neng re bua ka eona ke eona eno ea hore batho ba ntseng ba thusa bakuli mane metseng, kannete ka nako e telele ba bonahetse ba ena le bothata.

Kannete u fumana hore ba sebelisa le thepa tsa bona le lichelete tsa bona.

Kannete ke kopa ka ha taba eo e se e hlokometsoe, ke e thabela haholo hobane le ‘na ke e mong ea seboko haeso mane.
Sechaba sa Basotho mabatooeng ana kaofela ehlile ke bothata boo re nang le bona hobane bophelo ke ntho ea bohlokoa ho feta lintho tsohle, taba eo ha e ka sebetsoa ka tsela e nepahetseng, ba fuoa litsiane tsa bona e tlilo re khothatsa.

E tla etsa bahto ba sebetsang ka thata.

Ke tle ke fetele ho ena ea bahoebi.


Kannete ka lilemo tse ngata ha motho u ne u sheba budget, u ne u fumana hore litaba tsa litsela, mekonteraka, batho ba etsang litšebeletso ‘Musong ka nako e telele ke hlokometse hore bahoebi ba tena ba oele tjena hobane ‘Muso o ne o lieha hob a lefa.

Kannete ke bona hore taba eo ka hare ho policy ea rona e sekehetsoe tsebe.

Hona ho bontša hore moruo oa naha ena o tlaea pele.
Re le Basotho re tla ithokhobetsa ‘me ha u ka sheba Basotho ke batho bas a sokoliseng, ha ke etsa mohlala, linaheng tse ling batho ba teng ba batla ho phelisoa ke ‘Muso.

Basotho ke mofuta o ithokhobetsang haholo ha ho tluoa litabeng tsa khoebo.

Tabeng tseo ke hona moo ‘Muso o tla fumana lekhetho le letle ha fela re hlokometse batho bao.

Kannete ke taba ea bohlokoa.


Le maano a tlang ho sebelisoa mona le ba qalang mesebetsi ba hle ba lefuoe, le libankeng mane Basotho ba ea kolota, ba tsamaea ba kalima lichelete e le hobane ba batla ho etsa mosebetsi.

Joale ebe ha ba qeta ho etsa mosebetsi oo ba entse likoloto ebe ha ba lefuoe ka nako.

Kahoo ke re kajeno ke Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 11 khothetse hore ke utloe ka hare ho policy ena hore e beiloe kaholimo ea hore bahoebi le ba ntseng ba thutuoa ba tla thusoa.
Ka hare ho policy eno ho na le ntlha ea bohlokoa moo ho neng ho buue ka banka eane ea ntlafatso.

Banka eo mohlomong e tla etsa hore bahoebi bae o kalima ba tsebe ho thusoa ka tsela e bobebe.

Re hlokometse ka lilemo tse ngata hore bankeng tsena tseo ke sitoang ho li bitsa ka mabitso, ha re lokela ho fuoa chelete eo re ka etsang mesebetsi ka eona, ea hore feela re thutuoe… HON.

H. LETŠABA (PR): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.


Ntlha ea tsamaiso eo ke emang ka eona ke hore ke ne ke re sebui sena se khaotseng se bonahala se sisitse haholo puong ea sona, empa joale se se se therekella moo se tlang ho thetsa Ntlo ena ea Sechaba ka hore moo se buang ka Banka ea Ntlafatso, ha hon a le ka kh’oefe feela [Litšeho], moo ho buueng ka banka ea Ntlafatso ka hare ho Budget Speech ena.

Ka hona ke re a se ka a therekella moo a tlang ho thetsa sechaba sena.

Kea leboha.

HON.
Kea leboha.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi, ke ne ke re molemong oa Hansard ha ke sure na khoefe e tlilo ngoloa joang [Litšeho].

Ke kopa u e lokise.

HON.

H. LETŠABA: Kh’efe ke hore ha u tšoela mathe u etsa khoefe, ha ho thoe kh’oefe ke hore le ka mathenyana feela ha ho na le lerotholi feela Mohlomphehi [Litšeho].

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.


Kea utloa u mpa u fane ka tlhaloso h a’na ke ne ke batla hore u hule lentsoe u bee le tlang ho ngoloa bakeng sa leo e le hore Hansard e tsebe ho hlaka.

HON.

H. LETŠABA: Mohlomphehi, ke hula kh’oefe.

Ke tšela lentsoe “le hanyenyane feela”.

Le ho nyaetsa.

HON.


MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea leboha, ka ntlha ea hau ea tsamaiso moo u bontšang hore ha hon a moo ho buueng ka Banka ea Ntlafatso ka tsela efe kapa efe, ke re Mohlomphehi Thaba-Phatšoa, litaba tsa hau ha li tsitse holima tsohle tseo Mohlomphehi Letona la Lichelete le buileng ka tsona, re se tlise litaba tse ncha.

Ntle lehaeba ke hona li tlilo tšoahloa nakong e oho buuang ka committee of supply Matona a bua ka tse fapaneng.

Tsoelapele, Mohlomphehi.


Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 12 HON.

T. MARETLANE: Ba imetsoe, ha ho se ho thala u lokoloha, kannete e se e khutletse mosehlelong.

Feela molaetsa o ile oa feta.

U le motho, ua khothala ha u bona hore kannete ho policy litaba tsa hore Basotho ba tle ba hlokomeloe litabeng tsa khoebo, kannete ke khothetse haholo ke taba tseo.

Rea bona hore ehlile re shebiloe ka leihlo le mohau.
E ‘ngoe ea bohlokoa ke hore rea tseba ho li-Budget mona ho tlaba le contingency e tlang ho hlaha lipakeng mona ‘me lintlha tse ling tseo ebang li ne li ntse li buua ke bahlomphehi ehlile re li hlokometse joaloka ‘Muso.

Ho tla bonahala ha Letona la Lichelete le ntse le tsamaea le ‘ne le koale likheo moo ebang li ile tsa eba teng.

Ke batla ho tla tabeng ea bohlokoa ea taba ea hore basebetsi ba ‘Muso ba nyolletsoe ka 2,5% kannete ke taba ea bohlokoa eo.
Ke hopola ha motho pele ho uoa likhethong ho bile le nako eo pusong e fetileng ho bonahetse hore ho bonahala boemo ba lichelete bo se botle haholo.

E ile e aba taba e ileng ea boleloa.

Hore ehlile linttho tse ngata li ile tsa khinoa ho bonahala hore bothata ba lichelete bo teng.
E leng hore ka mantsoe a mang ho latela bothata ba lichelete le hore ebe re tsebile hore re le ‘Muso ka Letona la Lichelete ebe re itse bonyane 2,5% eo e kene kannete ke nahana hore ke tsoepo e kholo, Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane [Liatla].

Bonyane holima bothata bona, koluoa ena e kholo hakaana eo e bileng ea bonahala e le teng, kannete motho ua leboha e se e ka litaba tse kang tseno mohlomong nakong e tlang ha re se re tsitsitse bohashana bo le teng re tla otla le kaholimo ho 5% ha chelete e le teng.
Ke ne ke re le eona eo, kannete re lutse re e shebile… HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi, nako ea hau e fellile.

HON.

T. MARETLANE: Ha le sa nkopela hore ke ekeletsoe?

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon.

Machabana Lemphane-Letsie, you have the floor.

HON.

M. LEMPHANE-LETSIE (PR): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Ke ema ke tlatsa hore taba ena ea Financial Policy e ntle e tle e ananeloe ke Ntlo.
Ke lakatsa hore joaloka ba bang ba Bahlomphehi ba ileng ba feta kapele ho ‘na ke tle ke thoholetse moo ke boneng eka ‘Muso o sebelitse hantle haholo tabeng ena ea leano la lichelete la selemong sena.

Ha e le mona ‘Muso o ile oa hlokomela hore batho ba nang le bokooa joaloka batho, e le batho ba hlahileng ban a le bokooa, ‘Muso ba ekelelitse Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 13 litsiane tseo ba lokelang ho li amohela, ho tloha M400.00 hore ebe ba fuoe M600.00.

ke lokela ho thoholetsa taba eno.


Ke lokela ho e opela liatla hore ebe ‘Muso o sebelitse ka toka litabeng tseo.

[liatla] Ke hlokometse hore hona polelong ena, Mohlomphehi, le palo ea batho ba nang le bokooa e tla eketseha.

Ke lakatsa hore ke lebohe ‘Muso ka hore ebe ba nkile a leap of faith kamora hore palo ea batho ba tlang ho fumana molemo litsiaaneng tsena e bonahala e eketsehile ho tloha selemong se fetileng sa lichelete ho tla fihla selemong sena.
Kannete ke lakatsa hore ke re taba ena e bonahala e le boikemisetso bo matla ho latela hore tšebetso le litšebeliso ea litsiane tsena selemong se fetileng ha ea ba ntle haholo.

Empa leha ho le joalo ‘Muso o ntse o na le tšepo hore o ka sebetsa hantle haholo ho feta moo.
Tšepo eaka kapa HOPE eaka [Litšeho], ke hore selemong se tlang sa lichelete litsiane tsena li tla eketseha li habelle ho ea lekana le tsa maqheku le lipalo tsa batho ba fumanang litsiane tsena li tle li eketsehe hobane ha re sheba litlaleho tsa Lekala le re bolokelang lipalo naheng ea Lesotho, hoa bonahala hore batho ba nang le bokooa naheng ena li ngata haholo.
Tšepo eaka ke hore boitokisetso ba ‘Muso ho tloha selemong se tlang e tlaba hore litsiane tseo li nyolohe le batho ba li amohelang ba nyolohe ka palo.

Ha ke ntse ke le hona tabeng eo ke hlalose hore ke hlokokmetse hore polelong mona ehlile litaba tsena tsa social grants li bonahala li etsoe hloko haholo ke ‘Muso.

Ho latela hore na ke methati e mengata hakae ea Basotho ba tlang ho amohela grant tsa mefuta-futa ho latela tlokotsi e ka hare ho naha ea Lesotho.
Ke lakatsa ho siea a word of cation ka hore ho nepahetse ho etsa joalo empa boitokisetso bah o hlahloba tšebeliso ea lichelete tseno hore efela li honyella ho batho ba reretsoeng ho li fumana, e tle e be boitokisetso bo matla haholo hobane haeba ‘Muso o keke oa etsa joalo, re tla bona khaho ea matlo a mangata a palamaneng le likoloi tse majaba-jaba e le ka lebaka la innovation ea batho ba lokelang ho isa litsiane tseo ho ba lokelang ho li fumana empa ka lebaka la ho hloka boitukisitso le tšalo-morao e phethahetseng, ebe joale li qetella li ile mabakeng a sele.
Mohlomphehi, ka hare ho Lekala leno le seng le ntlhafatse haholo ebile motho u se u sa tsebe ho le bitsa, hona le makalana a mang a bileng teng ka lebaka la ho fokotsoa le ho kopanngoa ha Makala a ‘Muso e bonahetseng empa ho bonahala ha rea khakanyong ea lichelete empa hon a le a mang a Makala ao ekanang eaba mesebetsi Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 14 ea bona e bonahala e kenngoa kapa ho nyametsoa ke amang, ke ipiletsa ho Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane hore taba ena re tle re e hlahlobe.
Le ena ea ho kopanya Makala le mesebetsi mohlomong e ntse e batla e tle e hlahlojoe e matahanngoe haholo lelitaba tsa lichelete.

Ke bua tjena hobane ha ke sheba ka hare ho Lekala lena le nang le Social Development le a mang ka hara ona, hon a le Lekal alena la Bochaba, leo ka tloaelo leneng le tsamaea le Lekala la Bohahlauli, ke hlokometse hore ekanna eaba le tla lebaleha habobebe ha le le ka hare ho Lekala leo.
Ekanna eaba ho hlokahala hore ho etsoe hlahlobo e nepahetseng hore na moo le lutseng teng le lutse ka nepo na.

Ha ke fetela… HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Setho se Khabane, ke ne ke re re lokise karolo ena eo u ntseng u e teka, u re Lekala la Bochaba le kene ka hare ho Makala, athe ke karolo ea bochaba e ka hare ho Lekala leo.

Ke utloa eka ha ua e bitsa hantle, u bua joaloka ha eka lekala la Bochaba le ikemetse le hona joale.

Tsoelapele, Hon.

Member.

HON.

M. LEMPHANE-LETSIE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.


Ke leboha tataiso eo.

Ke tsoelepele, ha kentse ke le hona moo hore ha motho u sheba litaba tsa basali ekanna eaba li tla hloka hore ha ho uoa litabeng tsa lichelete tse abiloeng li tle li shejoe.

E le hore ho tle ho ‘ne ho phethoe meseebetsi ea bohlokoa eo Bahlomphehi ba seng ba buile ka eona mona.

Haholo-holo ho etsa hore melao e fetisoang ke Ntlo ena le Melao e fetisitsoeng ke Liparamente tse fetileng e tle e tsebe hore Basotho ba e utloisise.
Mohlomphehi, ke bea nkho selibeng litabeng tsena tsa basali hore nka lakatsa hore ke bone selemong se tlang sa lichelete nakong eo re tšohlang polelo ena ebe ‘Muso o ka nka khato ka ho nahanela basali le banana hore hara litaba tse ling tse ka fokoletsoang lekhetho ebe mesangoana eo banana le basali ba e sebelisang (pads) khoeli le khoeli ka lilemo tse ngata.

Ke bea nkho selibeng, Mohlomphehi.

[liatla] Mohlomphehi, ke kopa ho bea taba e ‘ngoe… HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order!


Mohlomphehi haeba ke mametse hantle ke hore ke utloa eka u re lekhetho le ka tlosoa ho mesangoana eo ea banana Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 15 le basali.

Ke ne ke re ke mpe ke hopotse Ntlo e Khabane hore ehlile ho joalo, lekhetho ha le sa le teng ho mesangoana [Liatla].

Tsoela pele, Mohlomphehi.

HON.

M. LEMPHANE-LETSIE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Ke ne ke sa hlokomela hore tab eao e se ntse e etsahala.
Ha ke fetela pele, ke re taba eo kelokela ho e opela liatl amolemong oa basali ba Lesotho.

Mohlomphehi, polelong ena ea Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane, hon a le moo ho buuang ka beneficiation.

Taba ena e ne e buua moo ho thoeng ke creative industries ke lakatsa hore le boemong bono ke tle ke opele ‘Muso ka ho hlokomela hore ke nako ea hore ebe moo re reng ke lirafshoang tsa Basotho ho ka ba le litlhatlhobo ea hore na melemo e fumanoang ke Basotho e fumanoang joang.
Ke nako e telele Basotho ba lla ka hore ha hon a melemo eo ba e fumanang, taba eo e sa bonahale kae kapa kae ka hare ho li-policy tsa mebuso eohle, ke se ke nyanyeletsa hore taba ena re lebeletse hore re bone maano le melao e hlakileng k ahareho Ntlo ea sechaba e tlang ho re bontša le ho re kholisa hore taba ena e tla fetoha ‘nete.

Polelong ena re bone moo ho buuang ka taba ea mekoloto ea ‘Muso le the mismanagement of the fiscus, taba ena e tla fetoha ‘nete.
Polelong ena re bone moo ho buuang ka taba ea Muso le mismanagement of the fiscus.

Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, ke rata hore le lekhetlong lena ke ope hore haeba tlhokomelo e fihlile ea hore ho bile le mismanagement, re bone kapele ka moo ho sa feliseng pelo, methati le mehato e kholisang hore taba e ea moo e tla loka e phetheloe.

‘Muso o hlokometse taba ea bohlokoa.

Taba ea mismanagement ha se feela hore ke taba ea lichelete, ho na le moo e qalang teng.
Ha u hlokomela e qalile e le kholo haholo moo ‘Muso o seng o sitoa ho manager ke moo ho buuang ka personal emoluments.

Taba eo ea personal imoluments ha se taba e nyenyane hobane ka bo eona e ka sitisa tšebetso ea ‘Muso.
Ha ke etsa mohlala, Mohlomphehi, hona polelong moo ke ile ka sheba moo ho seng ho thatollotsoe Makala a ‘Muso hore na a tla abeloa bokae ho ea qetellong ea polelo eo, ‘me ka sheba ha re ea ka recurrent ea Lekala la Home Affairs, ka hlokomela hore ha kakaretso ea recurrent e le M1,730,942.98 (87%) ea budget eo… HON.

H. LETŠABA: Ntlha ea tsamaiso!

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 16 HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Hon.

Letšaba.

HON.
Letšaba.

HON.

H. LETŠABA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ha hona Lekala leo ho thoeng ke Home Affairs Ha le na allocation eo a buuang ka eona hohang, ka hona ne ke re Mohlomphehi, a se ke a re hona le Lekala leo hothoeng ke Home Affairs.

Kea leboha.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ntlha ea Mohlomphehi, a behe polelo eo ka tsela e ananelehang.

Thank you.

tsamaiso e ananetsoe, HON.

M. LEMPHANE-LETSIE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.
Lekala leo ke buuang ka lona ke la Puso ea Libaka, Litaba tsa Lehae le Sepolesa.

Ha motho o sheba ka hare ho recurrent ea Lekala leo, ha re etsa mohlala, motho u hlokomela hore karolo ea mashome a robeli a metso e supileng (87%) ea recurrent budget ea Lekala leo e oela feela tlasa meputso.

Taba eo e bontša hore Lekala le joalo le tla lefa basebetsi ba lutseng feela ho se na letho leo ba le sebetsang.

Ha se Lekaleng leo feela, Mohlomphehi.


Ke lakatsa hore ke hlalose ka pele ho Ntlo ena hore ke Makaleng a ‘maloa moo u fumanang boemo bo lekana le bona kapa bo le ka tlase ho bona hanyenyane.

In the international best practice boemo bo tjena ha bo amohelehe.
Re ithuta hore linaheng tse ling tse haufi le rona le tse hole ho rona, personal emoluments e lula around 9% to 15 %, e le hore tsena tsa rona tsa naha ea Lesotho, boemong boo li leng ho bona lis e li tlotse moeli haholo, ‘me ha ho ka mokhoa oo re ka tsoelang pele ho ntšetsa naha pele ka boemo bo tjena.

Ka hona ke eletsa ‘Muso hore o tsebe hore o lokela ho nka liqeto tse thata ho lokisa boemo bona.
Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, ha u haha ntlo ea hau, u ne u ntse u e na le ea likamore tse peli joale u se u batla ho e eketsa, u ka ‘na oa qala pele ka ho heletsa mabota a mang kapa oa choatla lifesetere le mamati empa sepheo e ntse e le hore u heletse.

Moo ke eang teng, ke potlakele hore mohlomong ba lahlehileng ba tle ba utloisise.

Ha u lokisa ho ka etsahala hore u senye pele, hobane ka nako e ‘ngoe boemo bo teng ha u bo tlohella bo ntse bo le joalo u ba tlokotsing.
Ke bolela hore boemo bo teng bona boo re bo bonang, boo ke qetang ho etsa mohlala ka bona, ha se boemo ba sustainable.

It is not sustainable this financial year and not sustainable going further.

Re baetapele ba Ntlo, re ba baetapele ba Basotho, ‘me re lokela hore ‘nete re e bue re sa khethe mebala ea lipolotiki.
Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 17 Maobane ha ke ntse ke mametse Bahlomphehi ba Khabane, Litho tsa Ntlo, ba ile ba bua haholo ka bo sieo ba Bahlomphehi Matona ka hare ho Ntlo ka mona ha ho ntse ho tekoa likhakanyo tsena tsa lichelete, eaba kea bala ke bona hore Bahlomphehi ba teng ka Ntlong maobane, hona le ka nako eo ba neng ba le leshome, ‘me eaba kea ipotsa hore hau!

Bahlomphehi Matona ba se ba tla ba le leshome feela, ba bang ba ile kae?
Ke ne ke lebetse hore ha ba le leshome ke 85% ea Cabinet.

Ho bohlokoa haholo ho Balomphehi Matona hore ba be teng ka mona ka Ntlong haholo ha ho buua ka likhakanyo tsa lichelete.

Ke bua taba ena hobane maobane Moetapele oa Bohanyetsi o ile a bua ka taba ea international travel e hlahang ka hare ho likhakanyo le polelo ena ea litaba tsa lichelete.

Mohlomphehi, taba ena ke taba e kholo haholo eo re ke keng ra ikoala mahlo kapa ra etsa eka hoa nepahala hore re se ke ra bua ka eona.
Ha re fihla Makaleng mona re le Matona, re ekoa ha bobebe hore Mohlomphehi re se re u lokiselitse leeto, u lokela ho ea kae le kae’.

Taba eo e etsa entice hore ke fumane boeletsi ba bohlokoa.

E tla u ntse u re u lutse u utloe ho se ho thoe, “Mohlomphehi, re lokiselitse mongoli oa hau hore a ka ee thupelong London”.

U tla utloa e ntse e ka u thabetse boemo boo ba hore baa u thusa Bahlanka, empa ‘nete ke hore ba sebelisa eona international travel eane e sa laoloeng.
Ha ke ntse ke mametse polelo eo, Mohlomphehi, ka nako e ‘ngoe ho ile hoa etsahala hore mebuso e fetileng e ikeletse hore arabela litaba tsa Letona la tsa Machabeng le bonahalang le e ba sieo hangata ka hare ho naha, ka hore mohlomong ke hore re be re etse motlatsi oa Letona, empa taba ena ha e ka ba ea rarolla mathata a teng, eaba joale bobeli bo se bo e ba sieo.

Hona ho bolela hore taba ena ea international travel le hore na Matona a eta hakae, e lokela hore e laoloe.
Moetapele oa Ntlo ke ile ka utloa hona polelong ena, Mohlomphehi, ha Letona le Khabane la Lichelete le bua ka litaba tsa diaspora coming home.

Taba ena ea diaspora coming home e bontšang engagement … HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlompehi Setho se Khabane, nako ea hau e felile.

Mohlomphehi Mokhethoa oa Qacha’s Nek, ke u fa monyetla oa hore u ka teka litaba tsa hau mabapi le Financial Policy.

HON.
HON.

M. BUSA (Qacha’s Nek): Kea leboha, Mohlompehehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, ka monyetla oo u mphang ona oa hore le rona ba Qacha’s Nek re ke re Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 18 tšoaele ho budget ena eo re thoholetsang le ho tlatsa hore e tle e fetisoe ka pele ho Ntlo ena.
Ke rata hore ke bontše ke sa le sethathong hore le haele mona re tlatsa hore Ntlo e tle e ananele budget ena, ka ‘nete re tšoenyehile re le ba Qacha’s Nek, ka hore Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane ha a ntse a bala budget speech ena, hona le moo a ileng a fihla moo ho fanoang ka lintlafatso ka hare ho litereke tsena tse leshome, ka libaka ka ho fapana.

Ha a ntse a bala joalo ha kea utloa moo Qacha’s Nek e hlahang le eona e tšoaetsoe hore ho ke ho be le ntlafatso e bang teng nakong ena ea budget ena.
Taba eo ha ea re tšoara hantle rona ba Qacha’s Nek, hobane ha se ho bolela hore ho ne ho sena letho le ka etsoang ka hare ho Qacha’snek hore le eona e ke e tšoaeloe, ‘me re setse re ipotsa hore na e be ke hobaneng.

Ke hobaneng Qacha’s Nek ho se na moo e tšoaetsoeng lintlafatsong tseo tse tšoaetsoeng hore li fuoe naha ka kakaretso ka hare ho budget ka moo kapa komiting ea Economic Cluster?
Ho bile ho bontšoa hore ho etsoe lintlafatso across the country, empa le ha ho chuo joalo Qacha’ Nek eona e tlotsoe holimo.

Ke rata hore ke etse mohlala, Mohlomphehi, ha re bua tjena ka hare ho Qacha’s Nek ka mane re phela tlokotsing e tšabehang ea ho khaoha hoa motlakase hoa nako e ngata, hobane motlakase Qacha’s Nek ke oo re u fumanang South Africa.

South Africa ha motlakase o khaoha le rona rea ameha.
Taba eo e supa hore ho lokela hore ‘Muso o shebe hore na ke eng se ka etsoang ho lopolla sebaka seo le sechaba se phelang moo, hobane joale taba eo e etsa hore likhoebo tse teng moo li amehe, le tšebeletso tsa ‘Muso tse teng moo lia ameha, le bophelo ba sechaba boa ameha ka kotloloho, ‘me taba eo e etsa hore lintho tse ling li se ke tsa fihlelleha.

Re maketse feela hore mola moo ereng South Africa motlakase ha o khaoha ka nako tsohle le rona rea ameha.
Taba eo ea supa hore ho lokeloa hore ’Muso o ko shebe hore na ke eng se ka etsoang ho lopolla sebaka seno le sechaba seo se phelang mono hoba joale taba ena e etsa hore likhoebo tse mono li amehe.

Litšebeletso tsa ’Muso tse teng mono lia ameha le maphelo a sechaba a ameha ka kotloloho mono.

Taba eo e etsa hore lintho tse ling li se ke tsa tseba hore li fihlellehe.

Joale re mpa re maketse feela kannete re siuoe ka theko re le ba Qacha.
Mohlomong ’Muso o tla ke o itlhalose hore na ebe o ile oa sheba litaba tsena joang hore ebe Qacha ha ho na moo e hlahellang ho hang mono.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 19 Leha ho le joalo tšepo ea rona ke hore leha ele mona re sa tšoaeloa re sa ntsane re bua ka li-figure tse ngotsoeng fatše.
Empa mohlomong e tla re nako eo mokotla o fasolloang ebe mohlomong ho na le Maluti a tlang ho fefoha a ilo oela ka hara setereke sa Qacha ele hore batho ba Qacha le bona ba tle ba ikutloe e le karolo ea naha ea Lesotho.

Kannete, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, taba eno ke ne ke batla ke fete ho eona Mong’aka hobane ha ele ho bua ’nete ha ea re tšoara hantle… HON.

N. MOSHOESHOE (PR): Ntlha ea tsamaiso!

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso ka Mohlomphehi Moshoeshoe.

HON.
HON.

N. MOSHOESHOE: Kea leboha, Honourable Deputy Speaker.

Ke ne ke re kannete budget ena eo re ntseng re bua ka eona e na le lintho tse ngata haholo tse akhang likolo, li-clinic le tse ling tse ngata tseo joang kapa joang li tlo tla li fihla seterekeng se seng le se seng.

Polelo ena ea Mokhethoa oa Qacha ea hore Qacha ha ea tšoaela ho hang kannete e etsa mislead the House.

Ke kopa a mpe a e hule.

HON.


MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi Moshoeshoe, ke utloa ntlha ea hao ea tsamaiso empa ke kena ho eona ha ke sure na ha re re Qacha na re bua ka eng but ke ile ka etsa phoso ena joale ke se ke se sure na re bua ka setereke kapa ka lebatooa na.

Litabeng tseo u kenang ho tsona joale ha ke fana ka my ruling ho ntlha ea hao ea tsamaiso ke hore ehlile ho ba thata joale ho tsitsa hore na re bua ka setereke.
Ha re ntse re re Qacha, Mohlomphehi Mokhethoa oa Qacha’s Nek na re ntse re bua ka lebatooa kapa re bua ka setereke ele hore joale re tsebe ho ikamahanya le financial policy ena eo ’nete e sale e faneng ka litšebeletso tse e eang sechabeng naha ka kakaretso.

Tsoelapele, Mohlomphehi Qacha’s Nek.

HON.

M. BUSA: Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, mona moo ke emeng teng ke ronngoe ke sechaba sa Qacha’s Nek ’me se lahluoeng ka nako e telele.
Leha ho le joalo, Mohlomphehi, ke ne ke se ke e fetile taba eno ka hore, ’M’e ke hlile ke re kannete ha e ea re tšoara hantle ka hore ka hare ho lebatooa leo ke buang ka lona ha hona ntlafatso leha e se e le ’ngoe feela e bonahalang ka hara budget ka mono eka e entsoe.

Re lebelletse ka tšepo hore ’Muso kannete u tle u shebe taba eno, Mohlomphehi.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 20 HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE (Minister of Finance and Development Planning): Point of order!

HON.
HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Point of order ka Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane la Lichelete.

HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ke mpa ke re ha ho oa nepahala ’me ke ntse ke tla pheta hore Mohlomphehi a hule mantsoe ao a buileng hobane ha re so ka re fihla likhakanyong moo a ka tsebang hore na Qacha’s Nek e le Lebatooa na le fuoe eng na ha le a fuoa eng.

U bua ka mohopolo oa hae ha a bue ka likhakanyo.

[Liatla] HON.

M. PHIRI (PR): Point of order!

HON.


MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ke kopa ke nke ke etse address point of order ena, Mohlomphehi, ke u hlokometse, Mohlomphehi Phiri, ke tla tla ke u fa ke mpe ke fetise taba ena.

Ea pele, Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane la Lichelete, le uena ka tsela e tšoanang re mpe re etse tokiso moo hoba ke Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane sa Lebatooa la Qacha’s Nek.
Ha ke kena tabeng ea point of order eo u e hlahisang ebile e ntse e tsoelapele mohlomong e kena ho point of order ea Mohlomphehi Moshoeshoe, seo o se hlakisang joaloka ha ke ile ka bua ke hore litaba tse teng ka hara likhakanyo tsa lichelete li ama naha ka kakaretso.
U leka ho hlokomelisa Mohlomphehi hore a se ke a e etsa ele conclusive hore Lebatooa la Qacha’s Nek ha ho letho le fanoeng ho lona ha eena a teka ngongoreho ea hae ’me ke tla nka hore ke maikutlo ao a ntseng a re tekela ona re le Ntlo ka hona o u phephetsa hore u tle u hle u kene ho Lebatooa haholo ha re tseba hore…order!
Mohlomphehi, haholo ha re tseba hore likhakanyo tsa lichelete ehlile li fana ka litšebeletso tse e eang sechabeng naha ka kakaretso ’me Lebatooa la Qacha’s Nek ha ho ka moo le setse ka teng.

Tsoelapele Mohlomphehi Qacha’s Nek.

HON.

M. BUSA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 21 HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ntšoarele, Mohlomphehi.

Ke ne ke ile ka tima, Mohlomphehi Phiri o ne a etsa ntlha ea tsamaiso joale ke arabela ntlha ea tsamaiso.
Haeba e ntse e le teng, Mohlomphehi Phiri tsoelapele.

HON.

M. PHIRI(PR): Kea leboha, u se u ile oa e araba.

U thetsitse moo ke neng ke tlo thetsa teng, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

A hule lentsoe “Ntate” kea ikokobetsa.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ae, Mohlomphehi Phiri, ke ne ke se ke tsoetsepele holima taba eo ebile ke e lokisitse joaloka ha ke ntse ke etsa ho Bahlomphehi ba bang.

Ke kopa u tsoelepele Mohlomphehi Qacha’s Nek ka debate ea hao.

HON.
HON.

M. BUSA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphei Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ke ne ke se ke e fetile karolo eno kea u leboha ka hore ebe u nsirelelitse mong’aka.

Leha ho le joalo, ’m’e ke rata hore ke fetele ntlheng eo ke neng ke rata hore ke e thetse, Mohlomphehi, ka hare ho budget ena eleng mona Lekaleng la Temo… HON.

I. RANTŠO (Likotsi): Ntlha ea tsamaiso!

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Mohlomphehi.

HON.
HON.

I. RANTŠO: Mohlomphehi oa lebatooa la Qacha’s Nek o ntse a bua hantle empa o e loba mona moo a ntseng a re ’m’e kapa ntate ho uena ’m’e Deputy Speaker [Litšeho], ho Deputy Speaker, kea leboha Honourable.

Ke hula ’m’e, ntate ha a hule.

HON.


MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi, ’Nete e sale re na le tloaelo tsa rona re le Basotho tsa ho fana ka hlompho moo re ntseng re leka hore re ithute hore ha re le ka koano hoa ananeleha hore re ka re feela, Mohlomphehi, joale ebe u teka litaba tsa hao re sa sebelise ’m’e kapa ntate.

Ke tla ipiletsa feela ho lona, Bahlomphehi, hore re ’ne re e hopole taba eo ha ho na ba bohlokoa molemong oa debate ena hore re ’ne re koreke kapa re lokise taba e tšoanang.
Kea ipiletsa ka hona ha re ke re lekeng hore re etse address litaba ka tsela ea Bohlomphehi ka Ntlong ka mona kea leboha.

Tsoelapele, Mohlomphehi Qacha’s Nek.

HON.

M. BUSA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Kannete re tla tloaela ha nako e ntse e ea.

Ntlha eo ke neng ke re ke e thetse mona ke ena ea temo moo re hlokometseng Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 22 hore Lekala la Temo le hlile le filoe chelete e batlang e le ngata selemong sena.
Hoa bonahala hore ’Muso o na le boikemisetso bo matla ba ho ntlafatsa temo joaloka ha re tloaetse hore re re temo ke mokokotlo oa naha re na le tšepo e tih ileng ea hore e feela taba eo e tla tšoareha hantle e tsoele Basotho molemo hore ba tsebe ho iphepa.

E se e ka joale kaha re ea re labile temo ea mariha ’Muso o ka hla oa potlaka oa bokella thepa eohle e hlokahalang hore ba seng ba ikemiselitse hore ba tle ba kene temong ea mariha ba e fumane ka nako.
Re tle se ke ra tšoana le nakong e fetileng mona moo thepa ea temo e ileng ea fihla nako ea temo e se e fetile.

Ele hore re tle re tsebe ho nepa taba eo ea tlhahiso ea lijo.

[Liatla] Ntlha e ’ngoe ke ena eo ho buueng ka taba ea nosetso eo ho nang le libaka tseo… HON.

K. LETLAILANE (Lithoteng): Ntlha ea tsamaiso!

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso ka Mohlomphehi Lithoteng.

HON.
HON.

K. LETLAILANE: Ntlha ea tsamaiso eo ke emang ka eona, Madam Deputy Speaker, ke hore Setho se Khabane sa Lebatooa la Qacha’s Nek, o qeta ho etsa puo, Mohlomphehi, eo re neng re utloa ekare o khelosa(mislead) Ntlo ha a re Qacha’s Nek ha ho na lintlafatso tse reretsoeng ho ea teng.

Metsotso e so be mekae Setho se Khabane se lebelletse lipeo le litaba tsa temo hona Qacha’s Nek mono.

[liatla] Mohlomphehi o bonahala a na le mehopolo e ’meli, ho ferekanya Ntlo kapa ho ipherekanya [Liatla].
Ke ne ke re, Madam Speaker, haeba o rerile ho ipherekanya a mpe a ipherekanye empa Ntlo a se e ferekanye Madam Speaker.

Ke kopa Setho se Khabane se seke sa ferekanya Ntlo.

Kea leboha.

[Liatla] HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ke utloa ntlha ea hao ea tsamaiso, Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane sa Lithoteng.
Ke mpa ke utloa feela eka Mohlomphehi seo a ntseng a se etsa ke ho teka kopo mabapi le likhakanyo tsena tsa lichelete a ikamahanya li polelo e seng e entsoe ’me re ntse re lebelletse ka tšepo hore li tla qaqisoa hantle ha Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane a teka litaba kapa Bahlomphehi Matona ka makala ka ho fapana hore na Lebatooa la Qacha’s Nek le reretsoe litšebeletso li feng hore li ee sechabeng.

Tsoelapele, Mohlomphehi.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 23 HON.


M. BUSA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ke kopa hore kaha ke bona eka ke tla qetella ke khaolelitsoe ke nako mona ke mpe ke fetele ntlheng e hlahlamang eo ke neng ke lakatsa hore ke e thetse, Mohlomphehi.

Taba ena ea litichere ke e ‘ngoe ea lintho tse ileng tsa etsa hore ka nako e ’ngoe ebe litichere li beile lichoko fatše ha li etse mosebetsi.
Joale ke ne ke re ha kea hlakeloa hantle hore na ehlile ka har’a budget ka mona likoloto e tšoanang le eno na ebe budget e reng ka tsona hore mohlomong re se ke ra iphumana re khutletse mane moo joale litichere li ka qetellang li emelletse ka thoko ho mosebetsi hobane li ntse li kolotoa mono mosebetsing.
Taba ena ke nahanne hore mohlomong ekaba taba e bohlokoa ha e ne e ka sebetsoa ka sebopeho se fapaneng le seo e ntseng e sebetsoa ka sona kamehla e hle e beheloe mohlomong amount eo ho reretsoeng hore mekoloto eno e sebetsoe e fele e felle ruri hobane ke ntho e seng e etsahetse nako e telele haholo eo joale e nang le ho ama mosebetsi oa litichere mane likolong.
Ha kea bona hantle hore na ehlile e totobetse ka tsela ea mofuta o feng hore litaba tseno tsa mofuta ono li tl’o tla li sebetsoa joang ho fana ka tharollo ea moshoelella.

Ke tsona lintlha tseo ke neng ke re, Mohlomphehi… HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane sa Lebatooa la Qacha’s Nek, nako ea hau e felile.

Tsoelapele, Mohlomphehi oa Lebatooa la Mphosong.

HON.

M. A. NTŠEKHE (Mphosong): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Ntlo e Khabane.
Ke Mohlomphehi ho tsoa Lebatooeng la Mphosong.

Ke leboha ka sebaka seo u mphileng sona hore le ’na nke ke tšoaele tabeng ena ea Likhakanyo tsa Lichelete tsa selemo sa 2023/2024 kamoo li seng behiloe kateng ke Mohlomphehi Letona la lichelete.

Ke lebohe haholo ho bona hore ka ’nete ruri ’Muso oa rona o ikemiselitse hore har’a bothata bona bo bonahalang bo le teng o tla ema ka thata ho e tšoara ka bohaleng le ho bona hore maemo a Basotho le Lesotho a fetoha.
Ke ile ka thaba haholo ha ke sheba ke bona hore tabeng ea revenue collection ehlile ’Muso o tlo sebetsa ka thata ho bona hore o sebetsana le taba eane ea ho etsa minimise cash handling hobane ha re ka ra hlokomela Bahlomphehi, ho na le tahlehelo e kholo haholo tabeng ea lichelete tsa ’muso tse ntseng li lokela hore ebe li ntse li kena kahar’a mokotla oa ’muso empa tse sa fihleng ka lebaka la hobane li lefshoa ka chelete, ’me har’a mathata ana a teng kahar’a naha a tlala… Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 24 HON.
M. BUSA: Potso!

HON.

M. A. NTŠEKHE: Ke kopa ho mo tima, Mohlomphehi.

Ka har’a tlala ena eo u tla fumana hore Basotho ba ba le bothata bo boholo haholo ba hore ha ba tšoere litaba tsa lichelete ebe ba ka tšepahala, ’me haeba ba ntse ba fuoa licheletenyana tseo ha ho makatse hore moo a seng a bokelletse M100 a ka fihla a fana feela ka M20, ’me hona eba tahlehelo tabeng ea ’muso ho bokella chelete.
Ka boela ka thaba haholo ho bona ’muso o ntse o bua ka taba ea computerised receipting le taba ea… leha ke se ke lebetse hore na e ile ea bitsoa joang feela ke taba ea ho sebelisa mekhoa ea sejoale-joale ea ho bokella chelete, ’me Lesotho le bonahala hanyane-hanyane le ea moo lefatše le eang teng, ’me le tla batla le tla lilemong tsena tsa rona re le bacha.
Hona ho bolela hore bana ba Basotho ba nang le letho kahar’a hlooho ka mona ba tlaba le karolo e kholo ho kenya letsoho ho tlisa lintho moo li tlang ho sebetseha ka tsela e efficient and effective sebakeng sa ho bokella chelete ea ’muso.

Ka thaba hape ho bona hore ’muso o tlo sebetsa ka thata haholo selemong sena se tlang sa lichelete hore ho tle ho be le asset register.
Le lipaki tsa ka Bahlomphehi ba Khabane hore re hlokometse li-asset tse ngata haholo, mohlala, meaho ea ’muso e bonahalang e sa sebetse sebakeng sa ’muso, e sebetsang ho etsa benefit batho ba bang basa lokeloeng ke taba e joalo.

Ho na le batho ba bangata haholo ba kileng ba sebetsa ’musong ba ntseng ba lula ka hare ho matlo a ’muso le hona joale feela ba se basa sebetse ’musong ebile e le lilemo ba sa sebetse.
Re na le liemahale tse neng li lokela ebe li etsetsa ’muso oa Lesotho chelete e tla thusa Basotho le Lesotho empa meaho eno e fetohile white elephants hobane ’muso ka nako e ’ngoe o ntse o sa ele hloko hore ho na le li-asset tse joalo, ’me ’muso ha o ka sebetse ka thata kamoo o seng o ipehetse mona re tla bona naha ena e ea pele ka tseo e nang le tsona, ka nako e ’ngoe re iketse ngoana ea lehlasoa ebe re ntse re llela makhapetla a jeoang ke lifariki feela ha habo rona ho jeoa bohobe, ho jeoa linaoa.
Ke thabile haholo ho utloa hore ’muso o maikemisetsong selemong sena se tlang sa lichelete hore o tle o rarolle bothata ba lichelete tse lutlang, mokotla oa ’muso o bonahetse o le masoba, ’me ha o le masoba ke mona moo re tlang ho bona le ho honyane ho teng ho likela feela mekoting ea litali re sa bone naha ena e ea pele.
Ha e le mona ho buua ka hore ho tl’o katoa mekoti e ntšang lichelete ke thabile haholo Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 25 ho bona hore ho tl’o ba le lintho tse bitsoang Integrated Revenue Management Systems tabeng ea ’muso and the use of digital signatures.
Kamoo litaba tsena li leng kateng, bophethahatsi ba tsona bo tl’o etsa hore re bone hore ’muso o na le chelete, re bone hore chelete ea ’muso moo e eang e fetola bophelo ba Mosotho ea motseng mane Mphosong Matlameng hohle kahar’a naha ea Lesotho moo a tlabeng a le teng kapa ka ntle ho naha moo a tlabe a beiloe ke ’Muso oa Lesotho teng.

Taba ena e bohlokoa haholo.


Ka boela ka thaba haholo ho utloa ’muso o bua ka taba ea ho thusa batho ba nang le bokooa, ke utloile Litho tse ling tse Khabane li se li buile ka litaba tsena empa kahar’a tsona ke thabetse haholo ho bona taba eane eo batho ba nang le bokooa esale ba lla ka eona lilemo-lemo ea Disability Advisory Council, ’me ka ’nete ruri Mohlomphehi Letona le amehang litabeng tsena ha leka tiisa haholo hore e etsahale e lokela ho etsahala selemong sena.
Likomiti tse amehang ke boipiletso ba rona hore re sebetseng ’moho hore taba ena e etsahale selemong sona sena.

Batho bana ba habo rona ba tlokotsing haholo ’me ha u sheba u bona hore le hore feela ba fihlelehe kahar’a metse ka mane ke ntho e boima haholo.

Ba bang ba ntse ba bile ho sena moo ba tsejoang, ba ntse ba sa fumane lithuso tsa letho.

Ho etsa establish li-body tse kang tsena ho tl’o thusa batho ba nang le bokooa hohle moo ba leng teng hore ba hlokomelehe ba fumane lithuso tseo ba li hlokang.
Ka thaba haholo hape ho bona kahar’a budget ena ho hlaha taba ea hore ’muso o batla ho kenya tšebetsong Investment Climate Reform Agenda, e le ho bona hore botseteli kahar’a naha ena bo ea ntlafala hobane ruri re ke ke ra hola re le naha ho sena mekhoa ea hore ho be le botseteli ka hare ho naha ea rona.

Taba ena ha eka ea sebetsoa hantle eaba ea kenyeletsa le Basotho in diaspora, ho tl’o tla hoba le katleho e kholo haholo litabeng tsena.

HON.

M. S. LEHATA (Makhaleng): Point of order!

HON.


MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Point of order, ka Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 26 HON.

M. S. LEHATA: Kea leboha, Honourable Deputy Speaker, it was only yesterday ha ke lla ka hore we are talking about the finance policy and the Prime Minister is not here, joale o sitoa ho bona Matona a hae ha a bua ka mona.

Mokhethoa oa Mphosong ke Minister, ha re mo opeleng, Tona-Kholo ha mo etse Letona.

HON.
HON.

DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ha ho na ntlha ea tsamaiso mono, tsoela-pele, Mohlomphehi Mphosong.

HON.

M. A. NTŠEKHE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi, ka ’nete ruri litaba tsa Basotho in diaspora ke litaba tsa bohlokoa haholo.
Ke na le thahasello e kholo haholo ho tsona hobane ha ’na le bo-mphato oa ka re ne re eme ka matla a maholo ho etsa bonnete ba hore re etse mokhatlo o tl’o kopanya ebe ‘ma mekhatlo ea Basotho bohle ba phelang kantle ho naha ka ’nete ruri maikemisetso e ne ehlile e le hore – ha leka bona litaemane, khauta le tsohle tse ntle tse kantle ho naha ea Lesotho you will never believe hore motho enoa ke motho oa Lesotho oa Bobete Setoetoe, ha u kopana [Liatla] le eena mafatšeng mane e le motho e mong ea tšoereng boemo bo boholo haholo.
Batho bana ba bohlokoa ke litaemane tsa rona tse ka re tšehetsang haholo litabeng tsa ho tlisa investment ka har’a naha, litabeng tsa ho tlisa litsebo, Lesotho le lokela ho ithuisa ka Basotho le ka lintho tsohle tse seng li ntse li le teng Lesotho mona.

We have to grow re le Lesotho ka tseo re nang le tsona ha re na lebaka la ho lla.
Ke boele ke thoholetse hape ho bona hore ’muso ho budget ena o ikemiselitse ho lokisa taba eane ea infrastructure, ’me ena ha ke bone eka e tl’oba puo feela hobane ka mahlo a ka ke se ke ntse ke bona le lona Bahlomphehi le tla paka le se le ntse le bona hore ehlile ’muso ona o ikemiselitse haholo tabeng ea infrastructure, bopaki ke tse seng li tse li loka, ha ke tloha Ha Hlooho mona ke tsamaea botleng boo ke bileng ke lebalang le hore ke ntse ke le kahar’a naha ean ea Lesotho e neng e makatsa.
Re bona mabone a laeta, re bona li-robot li sebetsa, re bona likoti li katoa [Liatla] lifate tsa lipalema, lipalesa tseleng, lintho tsena ke ne ke li tseba Gauteng [Liatla].

HON.M.

BUSA: Potso!

HON.

M. A. NTŠEKHE: Ke kopa ho mo tima.

’Muso ke bone ka mahlo a ka a mabeli, haeso Hlotse mane re ile ra ba le bothata ba marokho a mabeli a khaohileng a bile a sa sieane haholo.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 27 HON.

L. HLAPISI: Potso!

HON.

M. A. NTŠEKHE: Ke kopa ho mo tima.


A bile a sa sieane haholo kea kholoa e ne ekaba 2 kilometres lea tseba marokho ao a ntse a lokisoa ebile ha ke bua le lona tjena ekanna eaba a felile [liatla].

Tabeng ena ea infrastructure ’na ke khothetse kea bona hore ho na le moo re eang.

Ha re ntse re sebetsana le litsela re mpe re hopole Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane moo hore litaba tsa ho etsa li-gravel metseng ha re ntse re etsa matšoana re ’ne re li hopole hore li-gravel ebile li batla li fihleleha.

HON.
HON.

M. J. ABINYANE (Koro-Koro): Potso!

HON.

M. A. NTŠEKHE: Ke kopa ho mo tima.

[Lerata-litšeho] Ke salletsoe ke motsotso feela.

Joale ka ’nete ruri litaba tsena ha ke bone eka e tl’oba puo feela hobane ’nete ke hore actions speak louder than words.

HON.

M. J. ABINYANE: Ke kopa potso, Mohlomphehi!

HON.

M. A. NTŠEKHE: Ke kopa ho mofa, Mohlomphehi o se a mphehelletse.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi, u ka tsoelapele ka potso ea hau o u file.

HON.

M. J. ABINYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.


Ke kopa ho botsa Setho se Khabane sa Mphosong hore na ebe se ka reng ka batho ba fotholang lipalesa, ba bolaeang mabone na [Liatla].

HON.

M. A. NTŠHEKHE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Ke kopa hore ke mpe ke etse bosoasoi ke bona boo ke ileng ka utloa ha ke le ngoana ke ntse ke hola hore ke arabele potso ea Mohlomphehi, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.
Ke ile ka utloa ho thoe mehleng ea pele e ne e re Moetapele oa BNP ka nako eno ha a ne a qeta ho etsa…ebe ho na le batho ba bang ba fihlang ba li cheka bosiu, ba li cheka hoseng ebe ho tsoha ho senyehile.

Le ha ho le joalo ha ke na ho bitsa mabitso a batho molemong oa hore likamana li tle li se ke tsa senyeha.

Le ha ho le joalo Mohlomphehi ke taba e mpe haholo eno.
Joale ke thoholetsa haholo ho bona hore ka ‘nete ho na le Basotho ba bang ba ikemiselitseng hore ba tle ba ee moo ba eo kata le ho lebela lifate le mabone le Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 28 litlafatso tsohle tseo ‘Muso o ntseng o li etsa.

Re se ntse re ipiletsa ho Basotho hore lintho tse ntle li a iketsetsoa ‘me li baballoa ke Basotho eseng ba bang.

Ke fetele tabeng ea boiketlo ba sechaba le polokeho ea sona.
Ke ile ka thaba haholo ho bona hore ehlile ‘Muso o abetse Lekalana la Policy kahar’a Lekala lane la Puso ea Libaka le Borena, Mapolesa le tsa Lehae.

Batho ba heso ka mono ka Sepoleseng ba bonahala e le batho ba tšoereng mosebetsi o boima le hoja ba bonahala ba se na lisebelisoa.

Ha u fihla mono u tla joetsoa hore re ka be re tla feela ha re na koloi.
Ka ‘nete ruri re ka lakatsa ho bona ‘Muso o tšoara ka thata mono ho etsa bonnete ba hore likoloi li ba teng le lisebelisoa le ho etsa bonnete ba hore Mapolesa a rona a koetlisoa.

Ho na le pokotho ho mapolesa tlaase mona, hei pokotho eo, Mohlomphehi ha u ntse u etsa design tsa uniform, ea Sepolesa, li twenty maloti tsa Basotho li fella pokothong e ‘ngoe e teng tlasenyane mane.

Litaba tsa training, litaba tsa motivation oa bona le incentives li ka thusa haholo ho akofisa… HON.
K. MABELENG (Hloahloeng): Potso, Mohlomphehi!

HON.

M. A. NTŠEKHE: Ke kopa ho mo tima.

Ke kopa ho mo tima nako ea ka e se e tlil’o feela.

Koetliso le ho etsa incentives sebakeng sa mapolesa.

Mosebetsi oo ba o sebetsang o bohlokoa haholo.

Mapolesa ha a ka a tšehetsoa re tla bona litaba tse joalo li fela.
Ha ho ka bonahala workshop ea Mapolesa ehlile e etsoa sebakeng sa thepa tsa bona tse likoloi li hle li bonahale li etsoa attend haholo litaba tsena tse machanical separately ka workshop e teng sebakeng sa mapolesa.

HON.

ADV.

L. RAKUOANE: Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Mohlomphehi!

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso Mohlomphehi Rakuoane.

HON.

ADV.

L. RAKUOANE: Ka ‘nete ke ikemela ka ntlha ea tsamaiso ea puo feela.

Ke re Setho se Khabane se bua puo e thata.


Ha ho na taba e athentuoang.Se nka lentsoe la Sekhooa se le etsa la Sesotho.

Tse athentuoang.

Ha e eo.

It’s out of order.

Bua lentsoe le leng.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ke ananela ntlha ea hao ea tsamaiso Mohlomphehi.

Tsoela-pele Setho se Khabane sa Mphosong.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 29 HON.

M. A. NTŠEKHE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ke lebohela le ntlha eno ea tsamaiso ea Mohlomphehi Rakuoane.

HON.
HON.

M. KHAHLOE (PR): Point of order!

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso ka Mohlomphehi Khahloe.

HON.

M. KHAHLOE: Setho se Khabane se ntse se bua hantle Mohlomphehi.

Ke kopa hore ho be le taba eo ke kopang hore e otloloho ea hore na ka mona ka Ntlong ka nako ea lipotso ha se le hore re lokela ho bua kaofela ha rona empa ka lipotso litaba li be li re hlakela.
Joale ke re na ha ke kopile potso ho Setho se Khabane ha se ntse se bua, ke ‘nete hore ke tlamehile ho pota ho uena Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano hore a nkarabe, kapa uena u kena lipakeng ha re sa utloisisane na?

Ke kopa taba eo e otlolohe Mohlomphehi.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Khahloe.
Ehlile ho ea nepahala hore Litho tsohle ha li etsa lipotso, li lebisa lipotso tse joalo ho ‘na joale ke tsebe ho botsa Setho se ntseng se bua hore na sea ananela ka ha joale bohle ba buang ka Ntlong ka mona ba bua le ‘na ka litaba tseo ba li tekang.

Kea leboha.

Tsoela-pele Setho se Khabane sa Mphosong.

HON.

M. A. NTŠEKHE: Kea leboha Mohlomphehi.

HON.

K. MABELENG (Hloahloeng): Ntlha ea tsamaiso!

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Setho se Khabane sa Hloahloeng.

HON.
HON.

K. MABELENG: Ntlha ea tsamaiso eo ke emang ka eona ke hore Mohlomphehi Mphosong o ntse a bua hantle.

feela joale ke ile ka bona a akaretsa hore mapolesa a na le marikhoe a kenyang maloti a mashome a mabeli ha ba ntse ba etsa mosebetsi mono.

Joale taba ena e re fa hore o re mapolesa ‘ohle kaofela a nka tjotjo.

Ha ho ea nepahala hore a supe e le mapolesa kaofela a nkang tjotjo.

Ekaba hantle hore a re a mang a etsa joalo.


Le ha ho le joalo, ka lona lebaka leno ba se ke ba tingoa marikhoe a nang le lipokotho tlaase ka kutloisiso ea hore ba tla nka tjotjo kaofela ha bona.

Ke eona ntlha eo ke neng ke re se mpe se e hule eno [Liatla].

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 30 HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Hloahloeng.

‘Nete e sale o ile a bua ka maloti a mashome a mabeli, empa ha kea utloa a sebelisa lentsoe tjotjo.
Ka hona ke utloa sena e le interpretation ea hau Mohlomphehi hore ha a bua ka mashome a mabeli o bua ka tjotjo.

Ntle le haeba puong ea hae ha a phethela etsoe a se a se na le nako re utloe hore na o ne a bua ka eng.

Tsoela-pele Mohlomphehi.

HON.

M. A. NTŠEKHE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Ntlo.

HON.

M. S. LEHATA: Point of order.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Point of order Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng.

HON.

M. S. LEHATA: I am sorry Honourable Deputy Speaker.
Kahar’a naha ena ke batho ba one hundred and twenty ba filoeng monyetla oa ho kena ka mona ka Paramenteng holim’a batho ba fetang million tse peli.

Ke shebile Honourable Malibamatšo o se a nkile nako e fetang 30 minutes a le kantle ho Well.

Taba eo ha ea lumeleha.

A ka chaka a khutla kapele.

Ka hona ke kopa hore a khutle a kene ka hare.

Ka nako ena ea budget, the Well is meant for officials tse tlileng ho budget ho tla thusa Ministers.

Members should not disturb them [Liatla].

It must be in order.


HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng ke utloa taba ea hau.

‘Nete e sale Bahlomphehi ba lokela hore ba lule litulong tsa bona haholo nakong eo ho nang le seo ba se buang.

‘nete ke hore ka Ntlong ka mona ha Setho se lutse kae kapa kae taba eo ha e re se tsoile taolong.

Ke batla u phethele Setho se Khabane sa Mphosong.

Ha e le hantle ehlile nako ea hau e felile.

Kea leboha.

Ha e le hantle nako ea hau e felile.

HON.


N. MOSHOESHOE: Ke kopa ho mo kopela.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: U lutse fatše Setho se Khabane.

HON.

N. MOSHOESHOE: Ke kopa ho mo kopela Mohlomphehi.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea utloa hore Mohlomphehi Mphosong o kopeloa extension ea nako.

Ke mofa metsotso e meraro hore a phethele.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 31 HON.

M. S. LEHATA: Point of order.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Tsoelapele ka ntlha ea tsamaiso Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng.
HON.

M. S. LEHATA: Mohlomphehi, ke re Setho se Khabane se kopeloa nako pele nako ea sona e feela ke another Member.

Ha e se e felile ha a kopeloe.

Ka hona u entse ruling ea hore e felile.

Unfortunately se ne se tla hantle empa tough luck.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng, ke ile ka etsa ruling ka tsela e tšoanang earlier on.

Mohlomphehi Rakuoane ha ke qeta hore nako ea Mohlomphehi e ne e se e felile o ile a etsa kopo eaba kea e ananela.
Ka hona ke kopa hore le ntumelle I should apply the same.

HON.

M. A. NTŠEKHE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Ntlo.

Ha ke ne ke qetela ho … HON.

M. KHAHLOE: Potso!

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Nako ea hau e ntse e tsamaea Honourabla Member for Mphosong.

HON.

M. A. NTŠEKHE: Ke kopa hore ke mpe ke mo time ke mpe ke phethele hle ke tla mo fa motsotsong oa ho qetela hobane ke filoe e meraro feela.
Ke ntse ke le hona litabaeng tsena tsa Sepolesa sa heso se sebetsang ka thata haholo se bohlokoa, le litsi tsohle tsa Tšireletso.

Ke thabile ho bona hore kahar’a budget ka mona li tla tšehetsoa ho etsa mosebetsi oa tsona.

Re na le batho ba bitsoang mahokela kahar’a metse ka mane.
Batho bano holatela hore ka batho ba hlileng ba leng hona kahar’a metse ka moo, ka ‘nete ruri ho hantle hore le bona ha litaba tsa tšireletso li ntse li etsoa re ee hole bona ‘moho ho etsa bonnete ba hore boiketlo ba sechaba bo ba hantle kahar’a metse ka mane.

Ke kopa ho fetela ntlheng ea ho qetela ke mpe ke pome tsena tse ling.

Taba ea litsiane sebakeng sa bo-nkhono le bo-ntate moholo esitana le tse ling hape tse amanang le tsona joaloka lekala lane la heso la Social Development.
Re hlokometse hore ho bile le likeketseho moo leha ka ‘nete ho se hokalo-kaalo empa ‘Muso o bontšitse hore o maikemisetsong a ho bona hore sechaba seo se boiketlong.

Le ha ho le joalo, Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 32 ngongoreho e kholo ke hore na ebe litsiane tsena na ehlile li fihlela batho bao li lokeleng ho fihla ho bona na.

Ke etsa boipiletso ho komiti tse alositseng makala a joalo hore li ke li hlahlobe manane.

HON.
HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane sa Mphosong kea leboha, ke bona eka nako ea hau ea mohau e felile hona joale.

U se u phethetse.

Bahlomphehi ha ke sheba ke shebile Bahlomphehi ba emeng.

Kea bona hore ho na le motsotso feela eba hora ea leshome le motso o le mong.

Sena se re re lokela ho ea khefutsong ea tea.

Hang ha re khutla Bahlomphehi ba emeng ke tla be ke khetha ho bona hore na ea tla tsoela-pele ke o fe.

Ntlo e tla phomola metsotso e leshome le metso e mehlano feela.
Tea Break at 11:15 a.m -11:30 a.m HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Hon.

Leader of Opposition.

HON.

M. MOKHOTHU (Leader of the Oppoaiation and Qhoali): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Ntlha ea tsamaiso eo ke emang ka eona ke hore ka linako tsohle re thoholetsa Litho tse Khabane ka boiteko ba tsona ka har`a Ntlo ena.

Empa ha re e- s`o thoholetse Serjent-At-Arms.

Ha a kena a hoeletsa ka mona ua utloa hore ache lentsoe le phefa [Liatla].

HON.
HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ke leboha lebitsong la hae, Mohlomphehi, ka lithoholetso tseo.

Point of Order, Hon.

Lehata.

HON.

M. S. LEHATA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ho na le taba eo esale re e lohotha nako e telele.

Hon.

M. Moleleki o tla nthusa ho eona hore na when do we call you Deputy Speaker?

Re mo bitsa ha a le ka ntle ho Ntlo?

Leha a se a lutse moo e ntse e le Deputy Speaker?

Matla a hae kaofela ke a bo-Speaker ha a le mono.


Ke ne ke re re ke re shebe taba eno re e lokise.

Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane.

U mpeha tsietsing hobane ke hopola hantle ha Mohlomphehi Moleleki, Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 33 taba ena e kile ea behoa ka mona, `me o ile a kena ho eona ka matla kannete a bontša kutloisiso ea hae.
`Nete e sale e le Setho seo re shebang ho sona, re mamelang kaha o batla a le moholo ho rona ka litaba tsa tsamaiso ea Paramente ka koano.

Empa boeletsi boo ke bo fumanang ke hore I am a Deputy Speaker that is presiding, `me ke `nete hore moo ke leng teng ke nka liqeto tse nkoang lebitsong la the Speaker as the Speaker in the House.
Ke eletsoa hore ke hlalose hore it is quite flexible, ha ho na eo e tla ba o loba tsamaiso ha a etsa address ea lutseng koano especially myself as a Deputy Speaker e le Speaker kaha liqeto eba tsa Speaker, kea leboha.

Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Hon.

Member for Lithoteng.

HON.

K. LETLAILANA (Lithoteng): Ntlha ea tsamaiso eo ke emang ka eona ke hore Hon.

Member for Makhaleng is out of order to insinuate hore his leader, the Leader of the Opposition is out of order.

He should not say his leader is out of order.


Thank you.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi, ha kea e utloa taba eo moo Setho se Khabane a reng Hon.

Leader of Opposition o tsoile taolong, ka hona ke utloa taba ea hau empa ke sitoa ho kena ho eona.

Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Hon.

Mahao.

HON.

PROF. N. MAHAO (PR): Ke motlotlo hore ebe ke sebui sa pele seo u etsang recognise u le the Speaker.

U itse taba ena e be flexible, joale sefate se oela moo se sekametseng teng.
Madam Speaker, taba eo ke batlang ho e beha e le ntlha ea tsamaiso ke hore, re le Ntlo ena e Khabane re sebetsana le mosebetsi ona oa ho aba lichelete `me re amohela ka mokhoa o senang qea-qeo boikitlaetso ba `Muso ba ho laola tšebeliso e seng hantle ea lichelete.

Maobane mona re bone ntho e nang le matšoao a ngongorehisang.

Leha Litho tse Khabane li fuoe lintho tsena tsa morao-rao, `me ho abiloe ho tsona li- standing orders, maobane re bone re etsoa distribute hard-copy ea li-standing order.
Taba eno e re e se ka ba e eabe e le tloaelo e mona ea March final e etsoang ha selemo sa lichelete se fela ka `Musong.

E tšoana le eona eane ea lipalesa tsane tseo u bonang li ntse li lengoa o sa tsebe hore na chelete ea lipalesa e tsoa kae ha litlhoko tsa naha ena li le ngata hakana.

Infrastructure e joaramane feela chelete ea ho lema lipalesa ea fumaneha?

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 34 Ho hlakile hore ka `nete phokojoe e sola boea feela ha e sole liketso.
March final ke nako eo ho senngoang chelete ea sechaba ka eona, `me Ntlo ena e Khabane e tšoanetse hore e khalemele taba ena.

Ho ne ho sa hlokahale hore ebe re ntse re fuoa li-hard copy tsa li-standing order, ho lengoa lipalesa, re ka bua le ka tse ling tse ngata tse tloaelehileng ho etsahala ka nako ena ea selemo.

Kea leboha.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.


Ke mametse ka hloko ha u teka ntlha ena ea tsamaiso, ebile ke belaela hore e se ke eaba ke lokela hore ebe ke u file hore u kene kahar’a debate.
Ke `nete kea utloa u bua ka litaba tsa lichelete, empa e re ke mpe ke kene mona moo u nang le tšoenyeho teng hore the soft copy ea li-standing order re na le eona kaofela, Bahlomphehi, empa hoa hlokomeleha hore ka nako tse ling hore ha ho bobebe hore Bahlomphehi ba ntse ba etsa refer ho tsona ka moo kahar`a the electronic format.

Taba ena e mpa e le taba e procedural, Mohlomphehi, hore Bahlomphehi ba fuoe melao le melaoana e etsoang ke Ntlo ena.
Ba ntse ba ba le tsona e le li-hard copy, ekaba li-Standing Order tsena kapa melao e meng e ntseng e etsoa ka Ntlong ka mona.

ka hona ke re leha u e behile e le ntlha ea tsamaiso joalo, it is a matter of procedure.

Thank you.

Tsoelapele, Mohlomphehi Moshoeshoe.

HON.

N. MOSHOESHOE: Kea leboha, Hon.

Speaker, ka monyetla ona.


Ka uena ke lakatsa hore ke kene litabeng tsena tsa lichelete tsa selemo sa 2023/2024 ka ho li thoholetsa ka tsela e khethehileng le ho phaphatha `Muso lehetla ka mokhoa oo o ralileng kateng ka mosebetsi ona o tlo felella ka ho rona ka mona re le Ntlo ea Bakhethoa, ke shebile likhakanyo tsena tsa rona.

Ke bone hore chelete e ngata haholo e ea lekaleng la Temo.

Ke bone hore e isoa teng.

Taba ena ke lakatsa hore ke kene ho eona ka sebopeho se tjena.
‘Na ke nka ho ea temong, e le moo re lokelang hore re qale hona teng.

Ke lakatsa ho thoholetsa mohopolo ono oa hore re eo kunyulang temo, tlhahiso ea lijo, kanetso ea lijo le ho bolaea tlala ea boja-likata e teng ka hare ho metse le metsana ea rona.

Ke nka e le moo re lokelang hore re qale hona teng.
Ha ke sheba hore na budget kapa likhakanyo tsena tsa rona na li lutse ka tsela e joang, ha ke bona ho na le moo ekang ho ile tlase haholo, ke tšoengoa ke ho phahama hona ho hololo ho ka lulang mona moo re reng ke temong.

Empa ke boetse ke ba le mohopolo o mong oa hore joaloka motho e mong le e mong feela eo ka nako e itseng ho lokelang hore ebe ho na le ntho e le ‘ngoe eo a ntseng a e etsa ho feta tse ling e le lona lebaka la hae la mantlha.
Le puso le eona ka tsela e tšoanang e lokela hore ha Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 35 e bopa bosebeletsi e se ke ea lekanya hore e ka etsa lintho tsohle ka nako e tšoanang ka matla a tšoanang eaba e li nepa ka tsela e tšoanang.

Ho nepahetse hore ho be le lintho tseo re reng ke li-priority tsa rona tsa letsatsi leno.

Ke nka mohopo ona kapa sebopeho sena sa hore ebe puso e lekantse hore re eo sebetsang ka matla haholo ho ntlafatsa temo, selemong sena seo re leng ho sona, e le ntho e ntle haholo.
Ke boela ke e toloka e le ntho eo ke reng ke eona ntho e qalang hobane ke re, ho na le lintho tse ngata tseo re ka nnang ra li phekola ka lebaka la boteng ba lijo feela.

Eleng hore ekanna ea re ha u ea ka likhakanyong ka mona oa bona eka ha re tlo khahlametsa ba likojoana li mahetleng ho lekana.
Athe ha re etsa hore lijo li be teng, e tla ba re entse hore ba bangata ba nolofalloe ke hore bophelo ba letsatsi le letsatsi bo be teng hoo le boima bono bo bang teng mahetleng a batho a lijo bo tla ea tlaase hanyane.
Subsidy ena eo ‘Muso o lekantseng hore o tlo tla oe tobisa ho lihoai, e ea ho li-input le mekhoeng e meng, e tlo etsa hore le masimo a letseng mane, ba nang le cheseho e ngata ea hore ba ee masimong, ba eo a qela ho beng ba ‘ona, ba eo a qela ho maqheku le maqhekoana, ba’ sebelise selemong sena seo ‘Muso o tla etsa letsoho le toma.
E tla re ka nako ea chai mane ebe mekotla e ‘meli e meraro e mehlano e tla khutlela ho beng ba masimo ano eleng batho bao ekareng ha re ba sheba re ba tsoma hore na ke bo mang, ra fumana ba oela ho lihlopha tsane tseo re reng ke tse vulnerable.

Eleng hore directly and indirectly, taba ena e tla ba le molemo o pharaletseng haholo ka hare ho Basotho ka mane.
Ha ke feta hape tabeng ena ea temo, ke batla hore ke re boima bo boholo haholo ba boiphiliso ho motho ho mang kapa mang, ke hore na lephako la hae le koaloa ka tsela ea mofuta o fe.

Eleng hore ke mohopolo o bohlale ho ‘Muso hore ebe priority ea rona lekhetlong lena e tla ba tlhaiso ea lijo.

Ka tsela e tšoanang phallo e ka holimo ho feta tsohle ea chelete, ke e amanang le hore na lijo li ba teng joang tse tlang ka hare ho rona.
Ha ho na ntho e lihlong ho feta hore ebe le ntho eo re reng ke staple food, papa e jeoang lelapeng le leng le le leng, ebe re sitoa hore ‘maraka ono feela oa hore re na le leloala kapa a mabeli, ebe re ka o khotsofatsa e le rona feela re na le mobu empa re batla hore re fetolo lintho tse ling tseo ebang li kaba molemo kapa tsa ba bohlokoa ho feta hore re hlaise lijo tse fepang rona, tseo ebang ‘maraka ho individual, ho batho Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 36 ka bo mong le ho li-company tse ka hlahisang lijo.
E ka ba ‘maraka o khutlela ho rona re sa re le hore re hloka hore re ee ho motho e mong.
Eleng hore mane moo re boetseng re ba le tsietsi ea tlhaiso ea mesebetsi kapa boteng ba eona, ka ho e nolofatsa hore batho ba hlahise li-grain kapa lijo-thollo ka sebopeho sena seo ‘Muso o etsang kateng, ho tla mela batho ba ik’hirileng ba bangata kantle ka mane ebe le ha re ka sitoa hore re supe ka monoana hore na re hlaisitse mesebetsi e mekae, ebe indeed ka hore ebe batho ba tla hlaisa lijo-thollo li ee ‘marakeng, re fela ehlile re loantšitse bosieo ba mesebetsi.
Ke batla ho feta taba eno ka hore ke re, taba e ‘ngoe eo ha Honourable Minister of Finance ha a ntse a teka litaba mona tse amanang le likhakanyo tsa lichelete a ileng a toba ho eona haholo, ke ntho e bitsoang control environment.

Eleng ho nyehla ka matsohong ha re sebetsana le litaba tsa tsamaiso le tsamaiso ea lichelete bosebeletsing ba sechaba.

Tse etsang hore ho be le lintho tse ngata tseo re fetolang naha e kang e khohletse ka sekoting.
Har’a lintho tseno ntle le litaba tse amanang le bobolu, e ‘ngoe ea lintho tseo li qetallang li fetoha kobo ea rona re le naha, ke ho fetoha bosebeletsi bo nang le li-project tse ngata feela tse raliloeng hantle, tse nang le maikemisetso a matle feela tseo kaofela ha tsona li hlahelletseng ka molala feela li sa be le katleho e feletseng.

Ke hobane feela control environment e le ntho e bohloko.
Ha se re le ka hare le ba haeso ba Economic Cluster, re ithuta hore ehlile taba ena ke ntho e teng e phelang, re khutlela morao ka hare ho Ntlo ka mona re tlo opela Honourable Minister Finance hore haeba o ne a e bone ehlile o ne a bone ntho eo le rona re tsoa e bona.

Ha ho na ntho e bohloko joaloka hore ebe chelete e baloang ka li-million e fihla e tšoasoa mono ha Belo.

Chelete e baloang ka li-million ebe e fihla e tšoasoa mono Ha-Tiko.
Ebe kae-kae ho na le lekala leo ho nang le likoloi tse mashome a mabeli (20) tse ntseng le lefshoa, le entse occupy space ho budget mona li lutse mono ho sena chelete ea ho li lokisa feela ea insurance re lokela hore ebe re ntse re e lefa.

Ebe re na le project e sa feleng ea moaho ono o motle oo Ra-Basotho a lokelang hore ebe o sebeletsa ho oona, o lula ho oona.

Joale ke li-project tse ngata tse tšoasitseng chelete e baloang ka li-million ea naha ena joale li hlahelletse ha nyane.
Tse bontšang hore ho na le ho lutla ho bang teng ho etsang hore ebe re qhekelloa ke hore na lintho Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 37 tseo re li ralileng li felella joang and ultimately, li khutle li tlise benefit eo li neng li lebeletsoe hore li e tlise.

Ke batla hore ke re ho uena, Honourable Minister of Finance le ‘Muso oa haeso o Khabane, kannete ho na le lefa leo re tla le ja, ‘me le tla re bakela boima bo tšabehang.
Eleng lona leno la hore ebe le ha re etsa budget feela, re ka tloha ra lekanya hore ebe ke bokhabane hore ebe budget eno e kenyelletsa ntho e ‘ngoe le e ‘ngoe.

Joale ebe re na le li-project tse baloang ka mashome tse hlaeletseng ka molala feela tsa sa tsoelellang hobane joale ho nepahetse hore ha budget e baloa mona ho nne ho thoe ache, re bonahala le temo re e tšoere, le thuto le Ha-Belo re tšoeretšoere.
Ntho e ‘ngoe le e ‘ngoe re e tšoeretšoere ha ho na ntho eo re utloang eka re lokela hore re e sutumetse e felle.

Ke ka hoo ke reng ebe re batlile hore re sutumetse temo e felle, ke ntlha ea bohlokoa ka tsela e khetheileng.
Empa li-project tsena tsa ‘Muso tse hlahelletseng hanyane ka molala feela, tse sa felleng, tsa lilemo, re lokela hore re inahanele hore na re tlo li tšelisa joang e ‘ngoe ka mora e ‘ngoe e le hore qetellong ea letsatsi li-benefit tse economic le tse ling tse ka bang teng, tseo li neng li reretsoe hore re tle re li fumane ho tsoa ho li-project tsa mofuta o joalo, li qetelletse sechaba sa Basotho se imona menoana ka tsona.
Ntle le mono taba e ‘ngoe eo nka ka reng ke utloile e lla lenyenenyene ha monate litsebeng tsa ka, le ha ke e bona feela ka utloa e khahlile mahlo a ka ka hare ho budget, ka taba ea hore ebe ho na le likhato tse totobetseng li bolela ebile li totobala holim’a likhakanyo tsa lichelete tsa hore re lokela hore re khutlise integrity ea the budgeting process.
Ho fapana le taba ea hore re tla lula ka mona re tšepetsoe ke sechaba hore re tlo alosa lichelete le ho li aba feela ebe taba eno ea budgeting ke ntho feela, e tla re ha e etsahetse ebe lintho tse kang li-viament ka ntle ka mane li ntse li khelosa mokhoa oa rona oa hore re le Ntlo re ne re hakantse kapa re entse budget kapa re entse likhakanyo tse itseng tsa lichelete.
Le lintho tse ling tse ntseng li etsa undermine process ea budgeting, joalo ka mekoloto ena ea nako e telele e tla tla e hulana, e re le ha re lutse tjena ho entsoe likhakanyo tsa lichelete joale ebe ho na le batho ba kolokileng ba baloang ka makholo bao ‘Muso o lokelang hore o ba lefa.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 38 Ho fapana le hore ebe business ea letsatsi le letsatsi e etsoa guide ke tokomane eo rona re e entseng, e le instrument eo rona re entseng re le Paramente.
Joale business ea letsatsi le letsatsi e fetohile a fire fighting process moo ho ntseng ho shejoa hore na ke mang ea lerata haholo a kolotoang.

Eba joale chelete e entsoeng allocate ka tokomane ea boemo bo holimo hakaalo joale e se e ntse e rutloa ho thijoa li-crises tseno.
Eleng hore mohopolo ono oa ‘Muso oa hore ebe ho na le chelete ena eo haeba ke bone hantle e baloang ka li-billion tse tharo hore ho ke ho eo katoa khatampihali eno ea mekoloto, kannete ntho eno le eona ka tsela e tšoanang, ke bona e le ntho e lokelang hore re e opele liatla haholo re le Paramente.

E etsa hore qetellong ea letsatsi ha re lutse mona re tšoere ka thata re ntse re etsa budget ebe ntho eo re ntseng re e bua, ke ntho eo qetellong e tla qetella ehlile e etsahetse.
Ho na le provision ea hore ho tlo tla ho ba le surplus.

Provision ena ea hore ebe ho tla ba le ntho e joalo, ha u ea through budget ena ea rona, joale u hlokomela hore ho na le lintho tse kang ha lia tšoaroa kapa tse kang letsoho la khakanyo tsa lichelete ha lea fihlella ka tsela e nepahetseng feela joale ho na le provision ea surplus.
Tsietsi eo re nang le eona ke ena, ha u sheba ka mane ka lekenong, element e kholo haholo ka mono, ke SACU Revenue eo re lumellanang kaofela ha rona hore it is very volatile.

Eleng hore ha e kunyolohile hakana lekhetlong lena ele ka holimo ho M10 million e kanna ea oela neng-neng.
Ke re sebopeho seno sa hore ebe re etsa provision ea surplus le ha ho na le lintho tse kang ha rea li tšoara hantle, nka eletsa feela hore re eo netefatsang hore ha ho na lintho tseo eleng so much of essentials tseo re li siileng feela sebopeho seno sa hore ebe re entse provide for a surplus, re lokela hore ebe re tla lula ho sona hore mohla element eane e volatile ea revenue ea rona ea SACU e ka ea khetšemelang, eabe e le hore bonyane ho na le mong re ka tsipang teng hobane re ile re khoaela hantle nakong e fetileng.
Ha ke feta mono hanyane ke re, ho na le chelete eo ke boneng hore e kalinngoe kapa e kopuoe ho bafani hore e tlo tla e etsa stimulate business, ‘me ka ho otloloha ho shebuoe bacha le basali.

Ke re, Madam Deputy Speaker, re ka hare ho nako e bohloko ka tsela e khethehileng, eo ha re lutse tjena re le boetapele ba naha ena, motho e mong le e mong ho nang le batho ba bangata ka tsela e khetheileng bao a ba tsebang bao ho senang moo ba nkang teng ka sebopeho sa mosebetsi.
Joale ke re haeba ho joalo ebe re ka ba le chelete e reretsoeng hore e tlo etsa stimulate business Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 39 haholo-holo ho shebuoe bacha le basali, nka re keletso eo nka bang le eona kea hore ‘Muso o ke o ikeletse hore efficiency ea rona ha ho tluoa mererong eohle e amanang le hore e e’o ntlafatsa khoebo, haholo bahoebing ba banyane.
E se e batla e le makhetlo ere ha ho buua ka likhakanyo tsa lichelete, ebe mohlomong ho ka buua ka ntho eo ho ka thoeng ke partial credit guarantee scheme… HON.

ADV.

L. RAKUOANE: Potso!

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Potso ka Mohlomphehi Rakuoane.

HON.

ADV.

L. RAKUOANE: Ke lebohile, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ke botsa feela Setho se Khabane se ntseng se bua hantle ka bahoebi haholo ba banyenyane.
Na ehlile re na le lipalo le hore na le haeba re ne re lahla lipalo tsa bona feela tabeng ea ntho eo ho thoeng ke percentage ho contribution ea bona sebakeng sa moruo oa rona, na ehlile ke lipalo tseo re nang le tsona.

E le hore re tsebe hore ha re suthumetsa bahoebi ba banyane ba tsamaea ka lipalo tse kana, ba baholo ba bakana, ba lipakeng ba mona.

E le mokhoa oa hore ha re suthumetsa ra be re tseba hore na ehlile re il’o tsoa palong ea mofuta ofeng na kapa re il’o kora ntlha ea mofuta ofeng na?

HON.
HON.

N. MOSHOESHOE: Kea leboha, Honourable Speaker.

Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Rakuane.

Ka ‘nete potso ena u e fuoe ke ‘na ‘me karabo u tla e fumana feela ke belaela hore e ke ke be ea ba ho ‘na.

Taba e ‘ngoe eo ke lakatsang hore ke ee ho eona ke ena ea hore ho na le tumelo ea hore ekanna e aba likhakanyo tsena tsa lichelete ka lebaka la hobane karolo e reretsoeng capital projects e ka tlaase haholo ho karolo e reretsoeng kapa eo re ka ra reng ke recurrent budget.
Taba eno ekare ke letšoao le totobetseng la hore e tla ba budget ena ha e ntle.

Ka hona kannete ke ne ke re, Bahlomphehi baka, ke mpe ke potlakele hore ke fapane hanyenyana le mohopolo ono ka hore ke re, ha u sheba kahare ho likhakanyo tsena tsa lichelete, mohlomong ho na le ntho e le ‘ngoe eo nka ka lakatsang hore ke e supe.
Ho na le chelete e ngata ka tsela e khethehileng e reretsoeng hore e il’o etsa li-project tlas’a letlole la SADP moo re tsebang hore tlaase mane metseng mane mekhatlo le batho ba ikemetseng ka bo-mong ba thusoa hore ba be le makhoakhoa, ba be le mekhoa ea noesetso le lintho tse ling tse fapaneng, makhoakhoa.

Se khothatsang haholo ke hore ehlile ke mamelehile kea utloa [Litšeho].

E thusana tabeng eno.


Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 40 Empa joale ha re bua ka karolo eno ea chelete re re ke recurrent budget feela ke mokhoa oa recurrent budget oo ka lilemo tse tšeletseng (6 years) assets tseno li tla be li ntse li le teng.

Ha re bua ka morero oa ‘Muso re il’o etsa subsidise mohlomong li-tractor, kamor’a lilemo tse leshome machinery ono o tla be o ntse o le teng.
E leng hore likarolo tseno kaofela ha tsona, ha re bua ka bana ba likolo ba il’o lefelloa, kamor’a lilemo tse mashome a mabeli ba tla be ba lutse ka mona e le bona bahlomphehi.

E leng hore ea hore ehlile ke ea leino ekare re e qhomellelitse feela, ke ne ke re kannete ha ke le ho eona hakalo-kaalo.
Ke ne ke re ka ho cho joalo, Honourable Speaker, ke phaphatha lehetla ‘Muso oa haeso ka likhakanyo tsena le Paramente ea heso kamoo re seng re sebelitse kateng hore re etse mosebetsi o felellang mona moo re leng hona teng.

Kea leboha [Liatla].

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea leboha, Bahlomphehi.

Ke hlokomela mona ha re ntse re bua kapa ha le ntse le bua litaba tsa lona hore re ntse re lokisa le leleme hore re se ke ra thatafaletsa Hansard mokhoa oa ho ngola.

Re ‘ne re tšoareng joalo, Bahlomphehi.


Mohlomphehi Senauoane, you have the floor.

HON, M. SENAUOANE (PR): Kea leboha, Madam Speaker.

Ke ema mona, ‘M’e, ho leboha mosebetsi o motle o entsoeng ke Ntlo ena ho tloha maobane.

Ka hona ho fihla tlhokomelong eaka hore hee ba e khobotlile joale taba ena.

Ke hore ba e khobotlile hoo ke lumelang hore re se re tla thella feela ha re ea mane ho a Committee of Supply.

Ka hona, ‘Me, ke sa fumane monyetla ona ke mpe ke re ke sisinya 42.

Kea leboha [Liatla].

HON.


MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hao!

Mohlomphehi, ke u fa monyetla hore u bue [Litšeho] joale u se u bile u re debate e koaloe che ka mabaka a hau ao u’a tekileng a bohlokoa kannete.

Empa ha u ka ua sheba li-Standing Order tsa rona, ena eo u e sisinyang, Mohlomphehi, ehlile kea mane moo ke seng ke fetisitse potso.

Le ho feta moo, re ile ra hlalosetsoa hore re tla tšetšetha likhakanyo tsena matsatsi a mabeli kaofela, e ile ea hla ea tekoa taba eno.
Ke boetse kea hlokomela le hore joalokaha u bua u nepa ehlile Bahlomphehi ba na le cheseho e kholo ho kena kahar’a litaba tsena.

Ka hona ke tlil’o lumella Ntlo, Bahlomphehi kaofela le ‘ne le tsoelepele le kene kahare ho Financial Policy.

Re tla mpe re sitoe ho tsoelapele ka lebaka la nako mohlang e felileng.

Tsoelapele, Mohlomphehi ‘Makhoroana.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 41 HON.

T. CHEBA (’Makhoroana): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano le Litho tse Khabane.
Ha e le mona u mphile monyetla oa hore nke ke behe lehlakore la rona ba ‘Makhoroana hore na re li bona joang litaba tsena tsa kabo ea lichelete.

Ke mpe ke qale ka hore maobane, Madam Speaker… [Litšeho]… maobane ho ile ha hlaha taba mona ka Litho tse Khabane tse khathatsehileng haholo hore ha ho ntse ho qoqoa litaba tsena tsa bohlokoa Bahlomphehi Matona ba be teng ‘me ba be ba tle le liofisiri tsa Makala.
Ho ka ba hantle hore ha re ile ra etsa khoelehetso e joalo ‘me re bona eka Ntlo ena e Khabane e ile ea mameleha re supe hore taba eno e ntle.

Rea bona Bahlomphehi ke bana ba teng leha ba bang ba ntse ba tšoeroe ke mabaka feela ke boiteko bo boholo haholo bono [Liatla].

Le ka morao ka mane re ba bone bahlanka kannete ba itekile haholo ba teng.

Ntho eona eo e supa hore re tla tsamaisana tsela hantle ha ho na le ba ntseng ba thusa haholo Budget Controller h’a le teng le team ea hae rea khotsofala [Liatla].
Joale, ke mpe ke fetele ntlheng ea bobeli, Mohlomphehi, tabeng eona eno ea liteboho hore Ntlo ena e Khabane e teng hobane ho tsuoa likhethong, re ile ra tsoa ka makhalo ra ea bua le sechaba, ra rekisa maikutlo a rona le a mekha le makhotla a bo-rona ‘me sechaba sa Basotho, beng ba thepa ena eo re leng kahare ho eona eaba ba khahloa ke hore ba rome ba bang hore bona ebe ba tlil’o tla ba kenya tšebetsong maano ao b’a rekiselitseng sechaba, ao sechaba se ba fileng tekete ea ho tla ka koano hobane ba ba tšepisitse lintlha tse joalo.
Ea ba sechaba se joalo se boetse se supa ka lipalo hore ba bang e tle ebe ba emang ka lehlakoreng la bohanyetsi joale ho alosa tšebetso, ho alosa phethahatso, ho alosa litšepiso tse etselitsoeng sechaba sa Basotho li fela li kenngoa tšebetsong.

Ke bona boikarabello boo re nang le bona kahare ho Ntlo ena feela re arohane re le ka letsohong le letšehali ho uena, Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, le ba ka letsohong le letona ho uena.
Boikarabello ba rona kajeno ha e sa le feela hore re tlil’o tla re re ho phethahatsoe lintho tseo rona re neng re li rekisa, sechaba se se se itse emang ka ‘nqane joale le lebele bana ba bang hore na ba etsa litšepiso tseo ba re tšepisitseng tsona na.

Ke ka hona re leng ka lehlakoreng lena, ‘me re kopa hore ‘Muso o re utloisise hore re phathahatsa thomo eo sechaba sa Basotho se re fileng eona ka likhetho.
Leha re ntse re le hopotsa hore “hopolang hore na le itseng mabaleng mane”, ke eona ntho eo re e romiloeng hore re tlil’o tla re le hopotsa eona ka mona ‘me re le maname ho fihlela Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 42 litaba tseno tse joalo li phethahetse.

Ha li phethahetse, sechaba sa Basotho se tla khotsofala se khutlise tšepo lipolotiking tsa naha ea Lesotho, se khutlise tšepo ho Ntlo ena ea sona e bitsoang Paramente [Liatla].
Joale ha ke hatela pele, Madam Speaker le lona Litho tse Khabane, ke mpe ke supe hore re utloile hantle ka hloko ha Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane le ntse le teka lintlha mona leqepheng la mashome a mabeli a metso e mene empa e le ntlha ea lekholo le metso e mene (104) kapa paragraph 104.

O supile khatelo pele e bontšoang ke naha ea Lesotho kapa e bontšitsoeng ke naha ea Lesotho toantšong ea lefu la kokoana-hloko ea HIV/AIDS.
A supa hore ho ile ha etsoa meoloane ea pele ea ba Lesotho le otla meoloane eno ka linaleli.

A supa hore ho behiloe meoloane ea bobeli e bileng e leng ka holimo ho feta joale ‘me le hona moo tšepo e kholo ea hore Lesotho le tlil’o tla le pasa meoloane eno hantle.

Taba eo e re re lemoheng lipolelo tseo re li behang ha re le kantle ho Ntlo ena e Khabane joale re ka ra supa ba bang ka mokhoa oo ba sa sebetsang kateng.
Ha re fihla re tšoara litokomane re sheba lipalo-palo li re ruta ‘nete ea hore kannete mosebetsi o entsoe.

Haeba ho na le lintlha tse re behileng ‘mapeng, tseo ebileng re reng re phaphathiloe lehetla ke UN, re phaphathiloe lehetla ke machaba, joalo-joalo [Liatla].
Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane moo a neng a bua ka mekoloto ea naha ea Lesotho, kannete o boletse ka bokhabane hore re tšoenyehile haholo re le naha ea Lesotho hobane joale re iphumana re tetebetse kahar’a mekoloto e kahar’a naha ka mona le e kantle e ka etsang M22.2 billion ‘me o bile o re mekoloto eo mona moo e teng ebile e nyolohile ka ntho e kang M3 billion.

E ‘ngoe ea eona ebile ke e tsoa latoa bocha hore ho tlil’o tla ho lefshoa mekoloto e meng.
Leha ho le joalo boiteko bono ba ho bonahala ho lekoa hore ho etsoe hore ho lefshoe batho ke ntho e ntle leha mokoloto ona o ntse o sa theooa….. HON.

M. KHATI (Pela-Tšoeu): Potso!

HON.

T. CHEBA: Ha ho ntse ho tataisoa tsamaiso mona maobane, Litho tsa Ntlo ena li ile tsa lemosa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano hore ha Setho se kopa potso ea ntseng a bua ha se eena ea seng a toba eane ka hore ke batla ho mo fa empa Motsamaisi o tla re potso ke eane na e reng.
Ke ka hona ke hetlang ka ho Madam Speaker hore na Madam Speaker u re ke etse joang kapa u re ke falle na?

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 43 HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ae, Mohlomphehi, ke bone e ka o nchebile joale ke ne ke etsa expression hore the floor is yours empa hee ke o fa hore u re bolelle hore na u fana ka potso ho Setho se Khabane na.

Tsoelapele Mohlomphehi.

HON.

M. KHATI (Pela-Tśoeu): Ke leboha Setho se Khabane se ntseng se bua hantle.
Potso ea ka eo ke batlang ho e botsa Setho se Khabane ke hore na u ka lumellana le ’na hore motho ea sebelitseng hantle ha a na lebaka la ho shapuoa?

Kea utloa u bua litaba tsa sechaba ’me o oa bontša hore kannete hore Paramente e fitileng e sebelitse hantle haholo, e be sechaba se e tsekisitseng na?

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: U ka araba potso ea Setho se Khabane sa Pela-Tšoeu, Mohlomphehi.

HON.

T. CHEBA: Ke lebohile haholo, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi, le potso eno ke ea e leboha.
’Nete e salang ke hore sechaba se khetha hobane ho beuoe letho ka pel`a sona.

Sechaba likhethong tsena tse fetileng ha se ea ahlola se ipapisitse le tšebetso ea Ntlo empa se khethile se ipapisitse le manoni a beoang ka pel`a sona mohlomong ka le reng manoni a joalo a ka tšoana a fetoha thepa ea sona.

Ha ke fane ka mohlala.

Haeso mane lebatooeng la `Makhoroana ka nako ea likhetho tsena tse fetileng, sebaka seno sa haeso se ne se fetohile boema-fofane.
Sefofane se ne se tseba ho lula lebaleng leo hothoeng ke la Romeng ho tšoaroe seboka se tšelele mose ka har`a lebatooa le tšoanang, se tšelele mose moo ho thoeng ke Tsokung ho fihle ho hlongoe liboka ho fanoa ka litaba tse tšoanang le tse ling tse ngata.

Haesale likhetho li feta haeso lifofane ha li sa lula.

Ke ka hona, Mohlomphehi, Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, ke re sechaba sa habo rona se tšoarisitsoe hlolo ka boea.
Leha ho le joalo sechaba ha se qosoe ke bona beng ba rona leha se ntse se fositse rea kokola hobane re bahlanka ba sona.

Hoo re tlamehang ho etsa ke hore ha re kene ka hare ho Ntlo ena joale re tšehetse ba fuoeng thomo hore batle ba nepe.

Ke qetile ho araba taba eno Mohlomphehi.

Ke kopa ke tsoele-pele.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Nthla ea Tsamaiso, Mohlomphehi Mphosong.

HON.

M. A. NTŠEKHE: Kea leboha Honounarable Madam Speaker.
Nthla ea Tsamaiso Mohlomphehi….. Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 44 HON.

ADV.

L. RAKUOANE: Ntlha ea tsamaiso holima ntlha ea tsamaiso.

Setho se Khabane ke hore na se botsa se le setulong sa sona?

Ke phetho.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: U nepile Mohlomphehi Rakuoane, Setho se seng le se seng se lokela ho bua se le setulong sa sona ntle le haeba a sa batle ho botsoa lipotso.
Ke hlokometse hore Setho se Khabane sa Mphosong u na le bothata ba microphone ke ka hona a buang a le mo moo a kopileng bojaki hona teng.

Tsoela- pele ka Ntlha ea Tsamaiso Mohlomphehi.

HON.

M. A. NTŠEKHE: Kea leboha Honourable Speaker.

Ntlha ea Tsamaiso eo ke emang ka eona ke hore Setho se Khabane se ntseng se bua sa lebatooa la Makhoroana ke utloa e ka ha a bue ka lintlha tsa Mohlomphehi tsa Financial Policy.

Ke utloa a bua ka lifofane tseo ke sa li bonang in the Financial Policy.
Ke utloa ehlile a thatika hole haholo le ntlha tseo re lokelang hore e be re ea li tšohla ka hare ho Ntlo ka mona.

Kannete ruri nako ena e se ile.

Re kopa a re bolokele nako ka ho tsitsa ho tseo re tlileng ka tsona ka mona e seng lipolotiki.

Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Speaker.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi, le ha ho le lerata tjena ke utloa Ntlha ea hao ea Tsamaiso.
U re Setho Se Khabane ke ’nete u ne a arabela potso ea Mohlomphehi empa a re o qholotsoa ke hao utloa ha o mo mametse ha a sale litabeng tseo re ntseng re li teka ’me teng u ne a lumelletsoe hore a ka arabela potso ea Mohlomphehi, joale ea mo bulela ho thala empa ke re ho eena Mohlomphehi, ha re li kobelle re le ke hore e thale o boella mosehlelong.

Nako ea hao e ntse e tsamaea Mohlomphehi.

HON.

T. CHEBA: Ke lebohile haholo Madam Speaker.


Ha kea ema mona ke rerile ho tla arola litaba tse joalo empa e le hore ke issue mono ke lipotso.

Ke tsoela-pele ka litaba tsa budget.

Tabeng ena ea likhakanyo tsa lichelete tseo Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane a li tekileng ka bokhabane ka ’nete.

O supile hore Lesotho le kolota kakaretso ea 22.2 billion.
Kannete re lokela ho fumana mekhoa eohle eo e ka thusang hore mokoloto ona o theohe nako le nako ka hore re etse instill discipline ka har`a financial management systems tsa rona le ho thiba masoba ao e ka bang a teng e le hore lekeno ka hare ho mokotla o moholo oa ’Muso le eketsehe hoo re ka tsebang hore joale re phethahatse boikarabello ba rona ba etsa service ho mekoloto ea rona.

Leha ho le joalo re lokela hore re supe kannete hore….

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ntlha ea Tsamaiso ka ’m’e Mookho.
Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 45 HON.

M. PHIRI: Kea leboha, Madam Speaker.

Ka boikokobetso bo boholo ke kopela Setho se Khabane sa Makhoroana hore se tle se ekelletsoe nako ea sona nakong eo nako ea sona e felang.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Your request is noted.

Tsoela-pele, Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane.

HON.

T. CHEBA: Ke lebohile haholo Madam Speaker.


Re nka hore paramente ke ntho ea bohlokoa eo batho ba baholo ha ba bua ka hare ho eona ba sa lokelang ho bua litaba tsa mampheli-pheli kapa tseo nkanang ka re li ka bonoa e ka li bosaoana.

Re lokela hore re tsebe hore re baemeli ba sechaba ka Ntlong ena ea sechaba re be ea litaba tsa ’nete tseo ebileng re lebelletseng hore re tle re saloe morao ka tsona.
Le ha e le mona, Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane a tsoile nakong ena ea hona e ne le maobane ka nako eo ho buoang ka nthoena ea mokoloto, o ile a tsoa ka nako e tšoanang.
Leha hole joalo ke rata hore ke behe boteng ba bahlanka le boteng ba Litho tse Khabane tsa Cabinet ’me ke re ka nako ea mid-term budget budget lekhotla la matona le ile la lula joaloka kamehla ea ba le bopa polelo eno ea likhakanyo tsa mid- term ’me tsa tla ka mona tsa fihla tsa tekeloa Ntlo ena e Khabane ke Letona le Khabane ’me a sa bue maikutlo a hae a mpa a bua hore na bona e le ‘Muso ba bona litaba joang ba etsa li tšepiso li feng ba tlo tla ba sebetsa joang.
Letona le Khabane ka hare ho Ntlo ena le re hole joang kapa joang ’muso o etsa boitlamo ntle ho phoso ba hore pele khoeli ea boraro e fela selemong sena sa 2023 Lesotho le tla be le tsoile mekolotong eohle ea lona e ka hare ho naha ea Lesotho le e ka ntle machabeng.

Taba eo e teng ka hare ho Hansard ea Ntlo ena.

Kajeno ke la 21-03-2023 re salletsoe ke matsatsi a robong kapa leshome hore re lihelle khoeli ena.
E ntse e le ntho e ka bang ntle hore Letona le Khabane nakong eo le tlo tla le araba le re fe mofetolelo mohlomong oa hore na tema e se e le kae tabeng eno hobane re keke ra loka ka hore ebe re hlokisa sechaba sa Basotho tšepo Ntlong ena e Khabane ka hore ho ka buoa lintho fela tsaba tsa iphetela fela.

Rona ba bang re rongoe mona hore re tlo sala ’Muso morao ka li tšepiso tseo o li entseng mabaleng le ka mona ka Ntlong e Khabane.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Point of Order ka Mohlomphehi Mokhosi.
Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 46 HON.

T. MOKHOSI (PR): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi, Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ntle leha eka eaba taba ena e ne e sebetsoe ke le sieo empa ke hopola hore, Mohlomphehi, Letona ha a bua ntho ea mekoloto ene e le potso ea ka ke eona a neng ae araba ’me ea ba ka ha ke ne ke mobatlile hore a arole mekoloto e domestic le e international ke ena e domestic eo a neng a tšepisitse hore by the end of March e tlabe e patetsoe.

Kea leboha.

HON.
Kea leboha.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi, ka Point of order ena eo o buang ka eona.

’Nete e sale I recall because I was also presiding on that particular day.

Taba ena e ile ea hla ea qapolloa e le hoba kutloisiso lekhetlo la pele ha, Mohlomphehi, a ne a araba, o ile a bontša e kare ho tlabo ho patetsoe likoloto selemong sena empa ea ba hoba le potso e nyanyeletsang ea ba Mohlomphehi oa araba o re ba tlabe se ba qalile e seng hore mekoloto e tlabe se e felile.
Litaba tseo Mohlomphehi li ka har`a Hansard ka hona ke o fa metsotso e meraro e kopuoeng e le extension.

Tsoela pele Mohlomphehi.

Point of Order, Mohlomphehi, Pela-Tšoeu.

HON.

KHATI (Pela-Tšoeu): Kea leboha, Madam Deputy Speaker.

Ha e le mona u se u entse ruling ea hao.

Kannete ke kopa hore, Mohlomphehi a ntseng a bua a hule litaba tsa hae tsa pele tsa hore Letona lena le e ntse mislead the house ka hore eena u ne a sa utloa ebile a sa mamela hore na ruling e entsoeng holim`a taba ena ke e feng.
Ha hule mantsoe ao.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi, ke bontšitse lehlakore hore na Ntlo e tsamaisitsoe ka sebopeho se feng.

Tebello ke hore ehlile Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane ha a kena litabeng tsena u tla qaqisetsa Litho tse Khabane hantle seo a neng a se bolela eleng hore ke ‘nete se hlalosoang ke Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane sa ‘Makhoroana hore e ka ba Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane ha a fa Ntlo se nepahetseng eona ha e joalo.
Ka hona, Mohlomphehi, kopo ke hore u hule taba eo fela moo u bontšang hore she mislead the House.

Please refer to it.

HON.

T. CHEBA: Kea leboha, Madam Deputy Speaker.

Bohlale e ne e ka ba hore joalokaha ke itse taba eo is recorded in the Hansard e be Ntlo e Khabane e ka itumella hore ha re il’o etsang bonnete.

Ha re entse bonnete joale hothoe hula taba.

Records li teng tsa Ntlo ena e Khabane, ka hona ha re se re entse bonnete re tla tseba hore re e hule.
Madam Speaker nako ea ka e tla fela taba ena e ntse e kapisanoa tjena ke sitoa hore ke tsoele pele.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 47 HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ke se ke eme, Mohlomphehi.

Kea leboha.

Mohlomphehi, ka kopa hle re se ke ra etsa dialogue with Setulo ha ke entse ruling.

Seo uena u ka se etsang ke hore ha Hansard e etsa prove otherwise eba joale taba eo e tla fihla tafoleng mona.
Empa hona joale ka kopa ha re hule ea hore Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane ha a fe sechaba litaba tse nepahetseng.

HON.

M. MOKHOTHU: Point of order!

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi Leader of Opposition.

HON.

M. MOKHOTHU: Ka hlompho le boikokobetso, Speaker, kea tseba ruling ea hao ha e etsoe challenge ka hore re e etsetse khang e etsoa challenge ka hore re etse motion.

Empa ruling ena ea hao e re Setho se Khabane se etsolle ntho eo a sa e etsang.

That’s where my problem lies with your ruling.


Ha ho na moo a itseng Minister o entse mislead, but o beile ka matla hore ha Matona a behile ka Ntlong ena a phethahatse litaba tseno tseo ba li behileng a bile a etsa grill Letona tabeng ea hore le ne le itse before end of March joale a le thokola hore Letona le etse summarise litaba tsa lona le tle le tlo hlaka hore na tema eo le seng le e khathile ke e kae.

That is debate.

Ha hona moo a itseng Letona lena le entse mislead Ntlo ho hang hang Speaker.
Checha tabeng eno ea hao.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ke kopa ke kene ho eona pele u ka oa kena Mohlomphehi.

Mohlomphehi ‘Makhoroana ha sebelisa lentsoe mislead, empa o fane ka insinuation ea hore Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane la Lichelete ha teka ‘nete nakong eo a neng a hlalosa boemo ba mekoloto ea naha.

Ke pheta lekhetlo la ho qetela, Bahlomphehi ba ka, ke tla kokobela haholo ha nka ka etsoa prove otherwise hore sena seo ke fanang ka sona ha se ‘nete.
Empa ke re that particular day I was here, ‘me ruling ea ka it’s final.

Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane ka kopa, ke kopa u hule the insinuation ea hore Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane o fane ka taba e sa nepahalang ho sechaba.

Ke ntse ke le on the floor and I am addressing Honourable Member for Makhoroana.

HON.

J. LEKUNA (Mechachane): Honourable Madam Deputy Speaker, I rise to agree with my leader hore your ruling is not challenged through debate, but through the motion.
Ha u re Honourable Makhoroana a hule… Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 48 HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi, I think we are getting in to a debate and thats not in order.

This matter ke e koetse ka hore ke etsa address Mohlomphehi ‘Makhoroana.

He is the only person that will be allowed to speak on this matter hona joale.

HON.

T. CHEBA: Kea leboha, Madam Speaker.

Ke ea a hula ‘m’e.
Ke ea a hula ‘m’e.

Ke be ke supe hore re kokobella tsamaiso ea hao ka mokhoa o feletseng ‘me ke kopa u ntšireletse hangata hobane ke tla qetella ke sa bua hohang e le hobane ho bonahala hore le ha re ntse re leka ho nanabetsa letsoho, Litho tse Khabane haholo tsa Lehlakore la ‘Muso ekare li batla ho sitisa babang ho phethahatsa boikarabello boo re bo tletseng ka mona.

Ha re tlo loantša batho empa re tlo thusanang hore mosebetsi o etsoe ‘m’e.

HON.
HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi ‘Makhoraoana.

Ke fa Mohlomphehi Pela-Tšoeu.

Bahlomphehi kea kopa hle, let’s make progress.

Your point of order should by all means be point of orders that progresses the debate.

Thank you.

HON.

M. KHATI: Point of Order eo ke neng ke ema ka eona e ne e sa amane le Mohlomphehi ea ntseng a bua hantle empa ka lebaka la letsoalo e se e amahangoa.
Point of order eo ke neng ke bua ka eona ke hore Mohlomphehi Matelile ea ileng a mpitsa ka lebitso la Mohlomphehi ea sieo ka har’a Ntlo ena a re ke Mamasieane.

Ke Mohlomphehi Pela Tšoeu ea tlileng le lebatooa.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ache!

Order Bahlomphehi, order.

Order Mohlomphehi, order.

Litaba tseo li ntseng li buuoa fatsše ha kea li thahasella hakaalo ke batla ke entse focus holim`a Mohlomphehi ea fuoeng nako eo e seng e bile e ka ea fela.

Mohlomphehi, 30seconds rap up.

HON.


T. CHEBA: Ke lebohile haholo, Mohlomphehi.

Ke tsoelapele Madam Speaker ka litaba tsa budget.

Ke supe hore leqepheng la mashome a mabeli a metso e robeli mono likhakanyong tsa lichelete o supile ka matla tsietsi kapa tlokotsi eo re nang le eona ea boemo ba litsela bo bakiloeng ke lipula tse mpe se ammeng marokho joalo joalo.

O supile hore hona le chelete e kalo ka 1.4billion e behelletseng ka thoko molemong oa hore ho tlo sebetsoa litaba tseno.
Taba eno re e opela liatla haholo ke boiteko bo boholo haholo.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 49 Ke mpe ke supe hore o ile a supa setereke sa Maseru hore na ho tlo etsoa litsela hokae.

A supa setereke sa Mafeteng, a supa Mohale’s’hoek, a supa Quthing, a supa Qacha`s nek… HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Honourable ‘Makhoroana, your extra time is up.

Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

HON.

T. CHEBA: Morena Molimo oa ka, ea ba ha ho na Berea.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi Likotsi tsoelapele.

HON.
HON.

I. RANTŠO (Likotsi): Kea leboha, Madam Speaker, ka monyetla ona oo ke o fuoeng ho etsa address taba ena ea the budget that was put before us.

Ke thoholetse ‘Muso oa heso haholo ka boholo ka lintlafatso tse bonahalang ka har’a this particular budget.

I will highlight haholo tabeng ea hore na budget ena e tlo etsoa implement joang from the report that we received from the Economic Cluster.

Re ile ra hlokomela hore budget will actually cover 4 strategic development areas tsa NSDP 2.
Tsona ehlile li re bontša hore we will actually have a good economic growth, re be le very well strengthened human capital.

E bontša hape le hore we will have an enabling infrastructure and also our national governance and accountability will be strengthened.
Litaba tsena tse bonahalang mona li molemo haholo hobane li bontša hore the other 17 SDGs tseo e leng hore le tsona li ile tsa salla morao haholo nakong eo ho neng ho etsoa implement this particular NSDP joalokaha ho ile hoa bontšoa hore the NSDP 2 will be actually extended by 5 years.

Our SDGs clearly highlight that there will be no poverty e neng e entsoe plan nako eno e kalo.

Zero hunger, good health and wellbeing, tšebeliso ea metsi a hloekileng and very good sanitation.
Litaba tsena kaofela li batla li re fa a very good stand.

Kea kholoa ke hlile ke theputsa haholo ka mona ka Agriculture moo re ileng ra bontšoa hore ehlile chelete e ngata e tla ea ka teng.

Ha agriculture e batla e le well developed e batla e re thusa hore re fihlela all this SDGs for a better Lesotho for Basotho.

Ehlile ke phaphatha ‘Muso oa heso lehetla, Madam Speaker, ka mosebesi o motle ona o tlo etsoa in agriculture e leng moo re tlamehang ho qala teng.
Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 50 Ka lefapheng lena la temo ho hlokomelehile hore naha ea rona ea Lesotho e batla e le a major consumer from imported products ‘me moo re tlamehang teng ke hona agriculture moo e leng hore ha re entse joalo automatically taba ena ea temo e fihla e haha on to the trade and industry moo e leng hore re tla be re entse a good investment ka har’a ho bitsoang Private Sector Development.
Such products tse tsoang from agriculture re ka khona to also tap into the manufacturing industry e etsang include processing.

Ha re ile ra etsa joalo e tla re thusa haholo re le naha ea Lesotho ho nena bofuma ebile hape e boetse SDG no.1.

e bile hape e etsa solve problem ea SDG no.2 which is zero hunger, e bile hape e tsoelapele ho araba tlhoko ea SDG no.3 e leng good health and wellbeing hobane re tla be re na le temo.

Re tla be re lema lijo li le teng ka har`a naha ea rona ea Lesotho.
Ke kopa ho phaphatha ‘’Muso lehetla ka taba ea improvement e kholo in the Ministry of Trade and Industry, moo e leng hore ho ile hoa eba le li-project tseo ho bontsitsoeng hore li tla re thusa in order to uplift the economy ea naha ea Lesotho ena e bonahalang ehlile e sasanka tje ho latela the deficit that we have being having and also the debt that is hanging e tlamehang hore e pataloe ke ‘Muso from the previous years.
There are projects such as CAFI ‘me the project e bontšahetse e tlo tla e nka bo ‘m’e le bacha ho re batle ba fuoe capacity building a bit of funding.

Ha ho etsahala joalo ho tlo re thusa hore Basotho ba joalo ba tle ba iphumane ebile ba etsa tape into other 6000 products that are available in Agooa in economy growth.
Hona ho bolele hore e tla tla e holisa the spectrum of the product tse e leng hore Lesotho le ka lihlahisa ba keng sa rona re le Basotho le machaba a lebeletseng li- product tse joalo ho tloha ho rona re le Basotho hobane ehlile we are capable ho etsa joalo.
Ha ke tsoela pele litabeng tsena tsa heso there is also a program from the Ministry of Trade and Industry e bitsoang Partial Credit Guarantee Fund (PCGF), e tla tla e thusa Basotho haholo hape sebakeng sa mesebetsi ke tla hle ke re haholo holo ea li- firm.
Nakong tse fetileng re ne rena le investors coming from outside e be ke bona ba etsang occupy our production sector especially in the factories, empa ke lumela hore ka monyetla ona o teng through PCGF Basotho ba tla una molemo oa hore ba tle ba fumane bokholokhotho bono ba chelete e le hore ba holise likhoebo tsa bona hore li fihlele boemo ba li-firm.
Re hlokometse hore li-project tse kholo in the capital budget tse kang tsa bo Tikoe le Beelo li ea feela, when those products have been completed ena e tla fa monyetla o moholo oa hore li-firm lithehoe ‘me lithehoa ke Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 51 Basotho ba keng sa Basotho, so as to absorb and carb this particular unemployment eo re bonang re le kahar`a eona.

HON.

ADV.

L. RAKUOANE: Potso!

Accommodate me.

HON.

I. RANTŠO: Ke kopa ho u tima, Mohlomphehi.

HON.

ADV.
HON.

ADV.

L. RAKUOANE: Ke ne ke re u hlalose li-project tseno tse 6000 tseo u buang… HON.

I. RANTSO: Mona moo re buang ka eona taba ena ea tlhahiso e ntse e nkhutlisetsa mane hape to the agricultural sector moo e leng hore ha ehlile e le hobane kea kholoa boholo ba li-SDGS tsena tseo e sa le ke ntse ke bua ka tsona lihlile li batla li etsoa solve haholo ke taba ena ea agriculture.
Eo e tla tla e re thusa hore tlhahisong eno ea rona e kholo le leng la lefapha la agriculture re na le leruo la linotši, har`a leruo lena la linotši le teng le ka har`a agriculture leo ebileng ke lumelang haholo hore it is well catered for kahar`a the budget ena ea Ministry of Agriculture.
E ka re thusa haholo ho fa Lesotho bophelo e le hobane our bees are main pollinators, ‘me ha fela li le sieo, le ha re ka lema lifate le limela tsohle tse phelang ka ho etsa ntho etsoang pollination re ke ke ra bona katleho ea limela tse joalo.
Ka hona ho na ho tlo re thusa botala le tlhahiso e phahameng kahar`e ho naha Lesotho hore re tle re bone we actually have sustainable growth within our economic and also e tla tla e re thusa ka SDG No: 8 e leng decent work and economic growth and also e tla tla e re thusa hape ka life on land and also even life in water.

Moo e leng hore metsi a rona a tla hloeka hobane re tla be re na le tikoloho e hloekileng e hloekisioeng ke limela.
Ho liella re hlokometse hore hona le mafapha a fuoeng chelete chee le ha e se kalo from the Judiciary site, moo e leng hore tsena kaofela li tla tla li re thusa ka our SGD No: 16 e buoang ka taba ea Justice and Strong Institutions.
Ke phaphatha ‘Muso oa heso lehetla hore going forward ke ea bona hore ‘Muso oa Lesotho ke o phaphatha lehetla ka hore the investment that has been done ka mona ka har`a Judiciary e tlo tla e re thusa tabeng ea toantšo ea bobolu le ho haha li-institution tse batlang lihlakile tabeng tsa molao, e le hore molao o tle o sebetse ho bao ba o tlolang ba ileng ba Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 52 senya lichelete tsa ‘Muso le bao e leng hore ho ile hoa se ke hoa sebetsahala litaba ka molao.
Ha ke se ke liella taba ena ea ‘Muso oa heso ea …ke oa heso oa Lesotho.

On our conversations ha ntse re sebetsa litaba tsena tsa li-budget from the Economic Cluster re ile ra hlokomela hore also this arrears tseo esale ho buoa ka tsona e ka ba mekoloto eohle and from the Government site re ne re ile ra fuoa a very good update hore there has been money that has been borrowed ho sechaba ba keng sa hore ho tle ho pataloe likoloto.
Ho ile hoa hlaha litaba hore yes o etsa sekoloto ho patala likoloto empa ke phaphatha ‘Muso lehetla ho nka an initiative ho bona hore ehlile ho pataloa Basotho e le hore likhoebo tsa bona li tle li hole ehlile re bua ka taba ea hore ho sebeletsoe hore our SMNes and also other smaller businesses little li hole moruo oa naha oa Lesotho o tle o hole.
From the budget report ea Committee there was actually a highlight on vehicle maintenance and insurances tseo e leng hore lipataloa on cars tse sa sebetseng ka har`a makala e le hobane ehlile li na le bothata, ‘me I believe hore one of the biggest suggestions will be that such motor vehicles li tle li etsoe auction out e le hore re se ke ra patala li-insurance le mainatainace ea likoloi tse lutseng feela.
Building on that, hono ho bolela hore ho no ho tla tla ho re isa khirong ea makoloi a Basotho, ‘me ho hiroeng koloi tsa Basotho ho bolela hore e tla re thusa haholo ho haha Basotho bao e leng hore we have a very huge wage bill moo e leng hore joale ‘Muso oa bo rona o batla o hlile o entse absorb population e se e le ngata haholo ka hona ehlile mesebetsi e batla e le leqe empa ‘Muso ka ho etsa joalo e tlabe e le to generate an income for those particular families tseo e leng hore lika phelisoa ke ho hiroa ea makoloi a joalo.
Ke kopa ho hobella ha kana.

Kea leboha.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Likotsi.

Mohlomphehi Makhaleng you have the floor.

HON.

M. S. LEHATA: Kea leboha, Madam Deputy Speaker.

Ke tlatsa Letona le Khabane hore a amohele puo eno ea hae ea lichelete tsa selemo sena, feela ke kopa ha a ema mona a tle a nkarabele potso ke ena.

Puong ea hae o buile ka inflation eo ka 2021 hae mona e leng 5.7% eo 2023 e bang 8.7%.
A bua ka South Africa hore li- Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 53 project tsa the pressuring in South Africa inflation selemong sena ba e bona e le at 5.4% se tlang will be caped to 4.4%.

Ke shebile the percentage of the inflation ha kena ho bua ka 2.5% ea bahlanka, ke tla khutlala ho eona ha morao.

Ha ke sheba hore there is a clobal financial crises I look athe Southern African Customs Union (SACU) revenue e nyolohang to 10 billion…what is happening hobane globally there is a problem.
A ka hlalosa hore na why do we benefit from SACU under the current situation.

O tla re thusa, Honourable Minister, hore Ntlo etle e tloisise.

Ha u sheba inflation then, u sheba le hore na re boemong bo feng boo re llang ka mekoloto u sheba 2.5% ea salary adjustment, e re ha re eso fihle moo re batlang ho ea hona teng though ho le boima, because haele joalo hau ka la u sa nyolelle bahlanka hantle it means domestic workers le tsona li etsa suffer.
Ke ntša motho ea sebetsang haka ha ke sa khona ho mopatala ke se ke sheba other options.

E le hore circulation ea chelete eona e ba compromised, joale e fihla e etsa affect moruo hape hore o seke oa nyoloha.

Ke hore re tle re e shebisaneng hape hore na re tle re sebetse joang taba eno.

Secondly, ke batla ho tla ho taba ena ea hore ke bone hore agriculture e batla e fuoe chelete.

Take it as an advice.


We have been subsiding agricultural inputs nako e telele but they are centralized, li Maseru mona Ha Foso.

Motho o tloha Qacha’s Nek o tlo fola mona a tloha Makhaleng otlo fola mona motho o fihla a mofa 100 nako ea temo eona e ntse e tsamaea while we have resource tsa li-task mabatoeng ana kaofela.
Subside eno ha e tle e ee mane mabatoeng e le hore motho le ka kiribae a fumane peo a tsebe ho ea masimung hobane it can be cheap but transport le eona cost Basotho hore e be ba sitoa ho ea masimung ho latela moruo o teng, ke boetse ke re Minister oa Temo a tle a e nke a be a tlo re joetsa hore na chipi tsena tseo a ntse a lithakhola ho etsahalang ka tsona re molumelle ka tsona.

Rena le kotsi e re tjametseng.


Maobane hone hona le ntho eo ho thoeng ke shut down in South Africa moo bacha ba South Africa ba llang ka bo load shedding and other things.

Ke sheba budget ena ea rona hore na e tlo re thusa hore haeba re se re sa reke electricity South Africa and Mozambique ho latela load shedding ea bona, what are we going to have rona re le naha.

Re tlo etsa produce motlakase o tla tla o re thusa joang ka budget ee.
Ha ea tlisa taba eno ‘me re se ntse re bona hore bana ba bo ntho ba ea e batla.

Le rona re na le metsi and other resource where we can generate Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 54 electricity ao etlang ho ba a Basotho re be re ba fe ba tlohelle ho etsa shut down , e le ho nyolla moruo oa naha.

Ke kopa hore ‘Muso o tle o i’lo e sheba taba eno e tlo etsa address mathata a kang ano re fihlele hore re ikemele re le naha ea Lesotho.
Libui tse buileng mona li buile ka taba ea access to business e shebile taba ea bacha le basali, which is a good thing.

But, indeed re entse hore access to education e be ho ngoana e mong le e mong, it is high time joale hore we have to export skills, re ba rute, ba tsamae ba ee linaheng tse ling, come up with currency e fapaneng, moruo o tsebe ho nyoloha.
We should invest in that again hore re bone hore thutong re ntse re tsoela pele, feela re se re ntse re shebile hore rea le ruta, ha re na mesebetsi e mengata hobane private sector ea rona ha e-so hole, feela ehlile re le rutela hore le eo tšoana le bo-Ramootsi ba mehleng ea pele bao potongoane tsa bona li neng li fella South Africa, chelete e ba teng ka har’a naha ea Lesotho.

Taba eo e ile ea nyolla moruo oa naha leha e le taba ea khale hakaalo.
This time around, re se re tlameha ho isa li-skill not lipotongoane.

’Muso taba eno o ke o e shebe haholo hore o tle o e etse.

Ke shebile litaba tsa tourism e le e ’ngoe e tl’o tla e nyolla moruo ho latela the speech and the approach, ebile e se e bile e le trade moo o utloang joale e se e etsa mokhoa oa hore khoebo joale e tla ba teng.

Ebe kea sheba, Honourable Member, Machabana o buile ka eona.
Ebe kea thola ke re you go to a hotel or Bed and Breakfast in Durban or somewhere in South Africa, ha u fihla mono u fumana bana ba jaefang ntho tsa bochaba, oa lula, oa ba shebella u be u ba fe chelete as a tourist.

Lesotho mona ha hona motho ea tlohang a bone hore na ntlamo ke eng, mokhibo ke eng, litabeng tsa tourism.

Ha hona motho ea bonang lintho tseno.

E leng hore we should try to improve litabeng tsa tourism hore batho ba thabele ho tla hape le rona feela re ke re li shebelle.
U se o ba a tourist by yourself.

I had a friend of mine a ileng a lula Lesotho mona, joale a mpolella ka Sani Pass le Sehlabathebe of which I have not been there, e leng hore rona culturally ha re li- tourist.

Rona re le Basotho are not tourist ntle le Honouable Monyane Moleleki, he can tell hore motse o mong le o mong na morena oa teng na ke mang, lekhaleng na ke ntlong ea mang.

We should start hore re e kenye ho rona, re tsebe ho nyolla moruo oa naha.
Honourable Deputy Speaker, ke ne ke lebelletse hore puong ena leha ha sa bua haholo, o tla bua ka the minimum wage hobane joale inflation e eme ka mokhoa ona Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 55 oo e emeng kateng, ha a re 2.5%, a re le ka mane re tla etsa hore re le ’Muso minimum wage e be tjene, e le hore batho bana ba sebetsang, ma-security and others ba tsebe hore na bona gazette e tl’o tla e ba beha hokae.

But, kea tseba hore o tla tla a bua ka eona.


Other challenge eo re nang le eona, there is social security bill, which has to come here, e tl’o thusa bona batho bano e tšoanetseng hore hona tjena, if it was an act, e ne e tl’o thusa hore lifeme ha li ntse li koaloa, basebetsi ba lifeme and others, ebe ba ntse ba fumana stipend from that fund moo ’Muso o tlamehang ho etsa contribute, le mohiri ebe o etsa contribute, e le hore motho enoa ha a felloa ke mosebetsi hanakoana a ’ne a fumane salary.
Ha a ea maternity leave a ’ne a fumane salary e sa tsoeng ho mohiri.

Re batla re le late kapa re moraonyana ka taba eno ea hore ebe that act e se e le teng.

We should advance, please, the Government ha re e etseng track hore e tl’o tla e tsoela pele hobane e se e ntse e le ntho eo e leng khale e bueha, e tlamehang hore e phethahale.

E le hona re ntse re leka hore ntlafatsa maphelo a sechaba.
Honourable Deputy Speaker, ho boima I know but I have seen or I have learned hore even though the capital budget e theohile but the Government participated haholo, ke u fa tsoepo, oa bona hore na ke positive hakaakang.

Ha e tsoe feela kantle, ehlile ’Muso o kentse letsoho empa taba eno ea hore re kentse letsoho, ha re eso fihlele moo recurrent re tlamehang hore re leke ho etsa balance the capital and recurrent.
Ho na le Minister from the Senate, ho ja o ne a le teng ke mo botse hore na recurrent ena hobaneng e nyoloha ho ntse ho tebeloa.

Ha u tebela hakere you cut the recurrent, e nyoloha joang a ntse a tebela bana ba Basotho?

Ke e bua on record hore u tl’o mpatla chelete, ke tla u fa joang u ntse u utloisa bana ba Basotho bohloko, hobane rea hlokanang.
Ke batla hore on record, the Minister of Public Service should not be arrogant, bana ba Basotho ha ba ik’hira, ba hiriloe ke ’Muso o neng o le teng ka nako eno, ’me ba tekenne likonteraka tse legal.

He is the Minister from the Senate.

Ho na le Bakhethoa ba sechaba mona, e le hore is it corruption hore ebe ke Minister from a Senate.

There are some people ba ronngoeng ke sechaba directly.

Ke re ke tle mono hore I have been positive but my word to him, ke hore he must stop it.
Bo-Mphosong ke bano ba ba hira… Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 56 HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Point of order, Honourable Member for Lithoteng.

HON.

K. LETLAILANA: Kea leboha, Honourable Madam Speaker.

Honourable Makhaleng is out of order, he should not say the Minister is arrogant, thank you.

HON.

MADAMA DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi, kea leboha, Ke leka ho nahana lentsoe lena arrogance, kannete moo e ka bang ha ho ea nepehala ke haeba re utloa e le lentsoe leo re reng le unparliamentary.
Ha ke utloe e ka lentsoe lena le ke ke la sebelisoa e le figure of speech ka Ntlong ka mona.

Tsoelapele, Mohlomphehi.

HON.

M. S. LEHATA: Ke tla moo ke qetellang… HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Honourable Masoetsa.

HON.

M. MASOETSA (PR): Mohlomphehi, ke shebile nako ke bona e ka litaba tseo ke neng ke re ke ngongoreho ea ka le Litho tse ka mona kaofela li ka ’na tsa qetella li tsoile pakeng tsa menoana.
Re ne re ile ra hlokomelisoa ke Speaker ha re fihla mona hore tsela eo re bitsoang ka eona re le li-Honourable, re li-role model tsa bana ka ntle a mane.

Joale ke bona e ka taba ena ea puo, ehlile re sitoa hore bana kantle ka mane ba nke mohlala ho rona.

Ke mpa ke qholotsoa ke taba ea Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane sa Likotsi qetellong ea hae ea tšebeliso ea mantsoe, leqe, ha u sheba the content of the sentence ha li nyallane.
Leqe ka Sekhooa ke reluctance, ha u bala moelelo oa lintho tseo a li buang ka litaba tsa…ha li nyallana.

Ka hona, ke re bahlomphehi, ha e etseng qeto re lumellaneng hore rea ithutang kaofela.

Ha u bua Sekhooa u bue Sekhooa, ha u bua Sesotho u bue Sesotho.

Mantsoe ana a bo-demand-a, lintho tseno kaofela li lahlisa bana moelelo, ba re mametseng kantle ka mane.

Ke re taba eo re e lokise hore taba ea tšebeliso ea mantsoe le content li tle li nyalane kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

HON.
HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Oa tseba ena eo u e buang eona ke taba, ’me ke tl’o ananela karolo eo u reng lentsoe le se ke la kopanya la Sekhooa le karolo ea Sesotho.

Mohlala, ke utloile bo-minimaiza, benefita, establishar, attenduoa joalo-joalo.

Eno kea e ananela hobane ehlile e thatafatsa hore na ka Hansard ho ngoloa joang.

Empa ’nete e sale, Sekhooa le Sesotho ke lipuo tse ananeloang.
Ke kopa re se ke ra beha, Bahlomphehi tsietsing, Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 57 ho lelemela ka Sekhooa feela, kapa ka Sesotho feela hobane joale ke bona eka re tla be re thatafatsa puo empa kannete bohle re ele hloko hore ha u bua Sekhooa lentsoe e be la Sekhooa, ha u bua Sesotho lentsoe e be la Sesotho.

Kea leboha.

HON.

M. S. LEHATA: Kea leboha, Honourable Deputy Chair.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: U itse eng?

HON.

M. S. LEHATA: Honourable Deputy Speaker, ke tatetse Komiting ke hobane.
Ha u le Mokhethoa ho tla budget oa e sheba, hobane ka budget u khutlela hae ho batho ba u khethileng, u eo ba fa hore na ’Muso o reng.

Unfortunately, this budget, regarding my Constituency eleng Makhaleng, ka lebaka la likhohola, noka ea Makhaleng, marokho a maoto 7 a tsamaile kaofela, ha a eo ka har’a budget ena.

Eleng hore ha e ea sheba taba ea disaster.


Tsela e kopanyang Maseru le Mafeteng, ho tloha Moitšupeli, Mpatane, Mosala, litereke tse peli, e kholo e amang li-tourist tse eang Maleea-leaea, Ramabanta, e mpe, e ne e hlaha tlas’a likoluoa tse hohotsoeng ke lipula, it is not in the budget.

Ke khutlela hae ke le empty handed, ebe ho bohloko.

Leparamente le leng le le leng le shebe budget, le ee le ithoka hore ke ile Paramenteng ke le tlela le ntho e itseng, directly.
U shebe hore na does it affect you directly from your Constituency or not, if not …re shapuoa tlase mane metseng.

People need electricity, roads, water, and this budget ha u qala u theohela ho Capital ha li eo, re khutla re le tjena.

Re ea sechabeng re sena letho, rea qala, re tla eo fihla,… HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Honourable Member for Qeme.

HON.

S. HAKANE: Kea leboha, Madam Deputy Speaker.


Ntlha ea tsamaiso eo ke emang ka eona ke hore ho bonahala, Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng a ithaotile ka tsela eo e seng eona.

Ke mpe ke re feela ho bonahala ha a ntse a le mabaleng koana o ne a ithoka ka litaba tseo eseng tsona tsa hore o il’o lokisa litsela.

Ha e le hantle mosebetsi oa hae e le Leparamente ke ho aba lichelete, ho li lisa, le ho isa litlaleho sechabeng, le ho etsa melao ka hare ho Ntlo ka mona.
Joale ke utloa a batla hore a nke mosebetsi oa ma-K’hanselara koana a batle ho o kenya ka har’a Ntlo ka mona.

Ke kopa hore taba e joalo, a se ke a e etsa, Mohlomphehi.

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MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Ke kopa re lumelle Setho se Khabane a ’ne a tsoelepele a qete a ntseng a se teka.
Sena seo e leng ntlha ea tsamaiso, kannete ha kena ho se amohela hobane joale ha kea utloa moo a reng o buile ka litsela nakong eo a ntseng a iketa, o ntse a bontša feela hore na tšoenyeho ea hae e hokae.

HON.

M. S. LEHATA: Kea leboha.

Ka pelenyana, the last but not the least ke hore I have looked at the budget, we are heading towards Local Government elections, chelete eno e nyane to run the election and pay party agents.
Hangata ena ea ho tšepela ho contingency feela ho ntho tseo re li tsebang hore li tl’o tla li etsahala ha e ea nepahala, it is a bad practice, we should budget for important things.

We are from the National Assembly Election where Constituencies have been demarcated.

But, the demarcation of the Local Councils ho thoetsoe.

Le etsa sechaba se khethang Mokhethoa ka nqe, se khutle se ikarabelle ho council e ’ngoe.
We do not buy democracy and service delivery hobane Paramente le Council ke Tšokolo le Thabo, ke bana ba motho, ba ea sechabeng ’moho.

Ak’u le shebeng taba eno hore na le ka ikeletsa joang.

Batho ba khethile Mokhethoa Ha Matala le Ha Abia feela ho Council ho hlaha Mok’hanselara a le mong, a ikarabellang Bakhethoeng ba babeli, o sebetsa joang le bona?

Ba neheletsana joang?

Please, go and look at it, Mokola o teng o tla le thusa haha e le hore re tsebe ho tsamaisa lebili lena la democracy hantle.
Madam, ha ke buile ha kana ke sharp, ke ’Muso kea tlatsa, kea tšehetsa, kea ikokobetsa.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng, leha ke hlokomela hore u ntse u re fa Litho tse sieo ka mona.

U bitsa bo-malome, u qeta hore Mokola hona joale, empa litaba tsa hao li tekuoe, u fane ka maikutlo a sechaba se u rommeng.

Bahlomphehi, ha re sheba nako ea rona ke hora ea pele.
Sena se re re tla lokela ho ea khefutsong ea lijo tsa motšehare, re tsebe ho tla boela mona ha hora ea bobeli e fetile ka metsotso e mashome a mararo.

Ke ho hlahisa taba mona, ebile e le khoeheletso, re na le batho ba teng koano ba tlileng ho tla fana ka lijo, molemong oa lona Bahlomphehi hore le se ke la ea hole haholo.
Ba teng ka tlase ka mane ka resturanteng, le hlokomelisoa hore le ka ba etela hore le fumane lijo tsa motšehare feela e ntse e le khoeheletso kapa kopo, hobane Mohlomphehi Phooko o kile a bontša ka mona hore hoa nepahala hore haeba ho na le bana ba bo bo rona ba teng koano Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 59 ba ntse ba etsa mosebetsi, re mpe re ba tšehetseng.
Ke fetisetsa taba ena ho lona hore ho na le monyetla o joalo oa hore le fumane lijo hore re tle re qale tšebetso hantle ha hora ea bobeli e fetile ka metsotso e mashome a mararo.

Kea leboha, Bahlomphehi, we may rise hore Ntlo e tsebe ho khefutsa hanakoana.

Lunch Time 1:00 pm-2:30 p.m. HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Bahlomphehi Litho tse Khabane, re kena mokhahlelong o re lebisang ho koala debate tsa rona teo re ntseng re tsoelapele ka tsona.
Ke ne ke re re etse khopotso ea hore re lokela ho kobella, re ntse re tsoelapele ka Financial Policy.

Point of order, Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng.

HON.

M. S. LEHATA: Kea leboha, Honourable Deputy Speaker.

Ntlha e aka ea tsamaiso ke ea hore ha re fihla mona we were oriented ka taba moaparo.

Joale ke bone Litho tse ngata tsa bo-ntate, Setho se Khabane Ntate Shila, Setho se Khabane Motoboli, Setho se Khabane Dr. Moroke, ka ‘nete ba ikaparatse masisa.
Marikhoe a bona ke masisa ana a sa aparoeng Paramenteng mona, ka ‘nete Bahlomphehi ha re apareng sehlomphehi.

Ak’u re ba ke ba eme u bone na ba apereng, Mohlomphehi.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ke utloa ntlha ea hau ea tsamaiso, Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng.

Ke ntse ke leka ho qamaka Litho tse Khabane, ka ‘nete ha ke bone taba ena eo u buang ka eona, ntle lehaeba ha ke tsebe na masisa ke’ng.

Ha ke e bone taba ena.


Bahlomphehi ebe le ka re etsetsa toka la ema, re bone ntho ee eo Mohlomphehi Makhaleng a buang ka eona?

[Litho tse khabane tsa ema].

Kea leboha Bahlomphehi ke bona eka le apere hantle haholo, ha ke bone letho le bontšang le tsoile taolong.

Le ntse le hlomphile Ntlo ena e Khabane ka moaparo oa lona.

Mohlomphehi Sehlabaka, you have the floor.

HON.

R. SEHLABAKA (PR): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.
Ke lemoha hore taba e neng e buua ke Mohlomphehi Motete e tihile ea hore ha u bua batho ba baholo ba se ba buile, uena eba u se u ntse u le e mona ea tlatsang.

Ke ntse ke lumela hore le taba ea ho tlatsa e ntse e le molemo.
Ke lemoha Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 60 ka ho fetisisa hore Mohlomphehi Professor Mahao u qetile litaba tsa ka, ha re ne re bua taba ea hore na budget ea rona e shebahala joang, ka hore e nka mokhoa o ntseng o tšoana le oa tse ling feela oo sa lekeng hore o tlise phethoho e lebelletsoeng, ‘me taba eno ea tšoenya.

Leha ho le joalo ha kea tšoenyeha ke eona hona joale, ke tšoenyehile ke ha re ntse re sebetsana le litaba tsa budget mane likomiting.
Tebello ke hore budget e bue ka seo re tl’o tla re se bona re le Paramente re tla tseba ho se lisa.

Kutloisiso eo ke nang le eona ke hore e be very detailed and specific moo chelete eno e tl’o tla e sebetsa teng.

Re lumetse, ebile kea tlatsa hore e fete, ka tšepo le khopolo ea hore nakong e tlang re tl’o tla re etsa mosebetsi o motle ka ho fetisisa hobane oo re neng re ntse re o etsa mane e ne e se le hore feela nako ha e eo, budget ke ena, ha re mpeng re e fetiseng.
Ke tl’o tla ke etsa raise lintlha tseo ke reng e ka be ba ke thabile haholo ha budget e na e li amme ka kotloloho.

Ha ke bua ka taba ea hore budget e tšoanetse e tsepame holima ntho e etsoang, ka ho fetisisa ke ne ke lemoha hore kea bona joale ha ke se ke atametse haufinyane hore na hobaneng ha ‘Muso o hloleha ho etsa mosebetsi oa oona ema likhakanyo tsa lichelete li ntse li etsuoa selemo le selemo.
E ‘ngoe ea litaba tseno ke hore ho bonahala budget e fetisoa e sa tsepama ho lekana hore Paramente e tle e lise tšebetso eno hantle ka kotloho.

Lintho tse ntšoenyang, tseo ke sa boneng budget e bua ka tsona, ke taba ea litlolo tsa molao, taba en aka mokhoa oo crime eleng mpe kahara naha ena e ntšoentse hoo ho ea ka ‘na, lintho tsohle tse bohlokoa tse tšoanetseng li etsuoe, e ne e tšoanetse ebe eona e fuoang boemo ba pele hore ha sechaba se ka bolokeha tabeng ea litlolo tsa molao, se tseba ho ea masimong.
Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano ke lemme, ke rua liphoofolo, feela selemong sena ha ke tl’o kotula letho ho latela ka mokhoa oo batho ba ntšenyelitseng kateng.

Joala ha ke tsebe le hore na ke tla etsa eng ka bona.
Ka ‘na ha feela tabeng eno ea litlolo tsa molao, ho se na batho joalo ka ha Mohlomphehi Motete a ne antse a bolela maobane, ho sena mokhoa oa ho khalemela bohlasoa ba ho senyetsoa hoa batho ba lekang ho etsa bonnete ba hore ba holisa moruo ka tlhahiso ea mosebetsi, ha ke bone re hlile re tla atleha mabakeng ana a manga o re neng re ntse re bua ka ona.
Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 61 Ke ne nka lebella hore ebe budget e buile ka ho eketsa sepolesa le makhotla le ho ba matlafatsa, ke hore ho lokisa taba eno kaofela ea libaka tse khalemelang le ho thibela litlolo tsa molao le botlokotsebe bona bo bongata.

Taba e ne e re ho ntse ho lenngoa lipalesa tse ntle ka mokhoa o makatsang, ke li bone lifotong, ha kea li bona ka mahlo.

Ke phoso hore ebe batho bano ba ntse ba senya mono, ho sena mango e e aka ba etsang letho.
Leha ba ka tšoaroa ha ho na sebaka se teng seo re tsebang hore ho tla sebetsanoa le bona.

‘Muso o tšoanetse hore ebe budget ea rona e bua haholo ka taba ena, ka tsela e khethehileng.

Ke hore mapolesa a eketsoe, ho be ho lokisoe le hore makhotla a eketsehe e le hore mesebetsi ena eo ‘Muso o nahanang ho tla e etsa e metle ea ho ntlafatsa, temong le lintho tse ling, e tle e fele e bonahale.
Ke ntse ke belaela hore le taba ena ea li-chip liphoofolong mona, masholu ana a tla linka a potele ka mono, a li hlabe, a bofe nama haeba ho thoe ha e khaohe ka grinder, ho tla khaoha molala oa nku.

’Na polasing eaka Qeme mane ba ntse ba ntšenyetsa, ha u tloha feela u femana hore ha u ruile lintja ba kopa hore u li fase, ha u li falitse ba kena ba nka ntho e ‘ngoe le e’ ngoe, ene e mong le e mong o iketsetsa ka mokhoa oo a ratang.
Ke bona re e-s’o sebetse ha re e-s’o lokise taba ea ho thibela litlolo tsena tsa molao tse tšabeheng ha kana.

Ha se hantle hore ebe re ba boemong bona boo re leng ho bona.

Ntlha ea bobeli, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, ke hore re buile ka quality ea bosebeletsi ‘me quality ea bosebeletsi hara tse ling e kenyeletsa quality of education.

Ha ke bone re bua ka taba eno, ha ke tsebe hore na taba ena nka e hlaha ka kae hore e tle e utloahale ha bonolo.
Mohlomphehi Mohatonyana o buile ka eona maobane hore u bona thuto ea rona ho tloha likolong tsa mathomo, ho ea holimo likolong tse bohareng ho se ho bile ho sa hlahlojoe, ha ho sana lihlahlobo.

U se u tla bona feela ha ho se ho thoe a fetele likolong tse kholo.

Ke hore quality ha e bonahale e le teng, ‘me budget ea rona ha ke bone e bua ka taba eno hore na re tl’o etsa joang ka hore quality ea bosebeletsi bohle e ntlafale, thutong mono ke mahlomola pelo feela, ‘me ha ke bone re etsa address taba eno.
Ke batla ho tla litabeng tse amanang le bophelo, Mohlomphehi.

Taba e ‘ngoe e bohloko kahara naha ena ke hore joalokaha Professor Mahao a buile maobane, ke hore re batho ba lulang re matha kamora batho, ha re batho ba inahanelang hore na re tsoa tsietsing joang.

Re ka batla hore re tsoe tsietsing ha lekhooa le leng le ka fihla mona la supa tsela ea hore na re tsoe le kae ha re batla ho tsoa tsietsing.
Taba ea hore Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 62 ha re ea shebana le privation haholo holo e ka tlatseletsoang ka taba ea research, litabeng tsena tsa bophelo, e re bakela bothata bo khethehileng hobane ho na le lichelete tse ngata haholo tse senyehang boemong bona.
Ke ne ke lebelletse hore privation e kenyelletse hore re ke re be le setsi sa research moo litaba tsa mafu a na a re sokolisang, ke ile ka k aka sheba hore naha ea Senegal e na le boemo bo boholo mokhoeng oa hore e ichebele litaba tsa mafu eona, e se ke ea a joetsoa, e be le libaka tsa eona moo e tla hlahloba litaba tsa mafu, ebe e tsebe hore na meriana e tla hlokoa ke e feng.
Lesotho mona re na le litlama-tlama tse ka folisang lefu le leng le le leng le teng le ka tšoarang motho Lesotho mona, feela ha re na taba le taba eno, re lutse mona re emetse makhooa a etse chelete ka meriana eo ba re fang eona.
U’a tseba ha Lesotho le ka iketsetsa meriana, re ka boloka chelete e ngata hona hoo, le bohlasoa bona boo u fumanang hore re na le bokooa re le nah aba hore ha re mathela linth tsena, ke hona moo lesobe le bulehileng teng katlase hore chelete ea ‘Muso e balehe, e be sieo, hona tjena ha re ntse re sebetsana le taba ea budget re ne re fumana hore re na le liente tsa covid19, tse etsang li-million tsa maloti, tsa liente tseo re li rekileng ka mokoloto, joale li re emetse, ke hore ke frazer ntho eno, ua mo hopola Frazer solar.
Re ntse re ena le Frazer Solar Lekaleng la Bophelo hobane re na le liente tse ngata tse lutseng mono tse tlo tla li etsa expire, re sitoa ho li nka feela re patalletse tse ling, ra fuoa tse ling tsa mohau feela re kolotile tse ling tse ngata mono.

Ha re ne re iketsetsa litaba tsena kahara naha, ‘nete li ka khonahala, re ne re tla tsoa tsietsing e kang ena.

Taba e ‘ngoe e sa amehang ha re ntse re bua ka taba ena motlakase ke taba ea ho tšehetsa boqapi.
Re nale ban aba bangata, ke hopola e mongo a le Standard 7 a entse koloi, joale a ntse a e laola ka fono, Quthing mane.

Koloi eno ea hae e sale e tšoaroa mapoleseng, ha a tšoanetse hore a thusoe ea tšoaroa ha thoe ha e na tokelo ea ho tsamaea tseleng.

Motho enoa o na le botsibi beo a nang le bona, ha hona motho ea kenang lipakeng a re ngoana enoa o na le neo.

Ha hona motho ea teng hore re tšehetse lintho tsena re bone li atamela.
Budget ea rona ha e bue ka lintho tseno feela e le tsona tse tl’o re thusa ho tsoa bothateng bah ore ebe chelete e lefang batho e ngata ho feta chelete e etsoang ke Basotho le hore likhafa litle li tsebeho ngoloha, chelete e kene.

Ho na le li-grant tsena tseo re li thabelang, tseo ke boneng hore ho lutla hona moo… Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 63 HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Potso ka Setho se Khabane sa Hloahloeng.

HON.

K. MABELENG (Hloahloeng): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Madam Deputy Speaker.
Ke leboha haholo ka litaba tse molemo tsena tseo Mohlomphehi Sehlabaka a ntseng a theoha le ho li lokolisa hantle.

Ke khothatsoa haholo ke moo joale a supang hore tharollo ea naha ena e haufinyane haholo ha a na le motho ea ka rarollang litaba tsa motlakase, motlakase ebile e le ‘ngoe ea litlhoko tse ka sehloohong ho naha ena.
Ke botsa Mohlomphehi Sehlabaka hore na ebe ha a ntse a bua ka motlakase o kenyelelitse le libaka tse ka reng bo Hloahloeng tse se nang le haele palonyana feela e seng e sa sebetse ea motlakase mohlomong e neng e ka supa hore ho kile ha eba le motlakase.

Joale boemong bona re tsepe le rona ba Hloahloeng hore ho tla ke ho be le motlakase boemong ha feela ’Muso o ka tšehetsa motho enoa eo ho suptjoang hore o teng a bile a ka tseba ho rarolla mathata ana a motlakase a fane ka tharollo ea moshoelella na?

HON.
HON.

R. SEHLABAKA: Mohlomphehi, Setho se Khabane se botsa potso e bonolo.

Eaba eaka nka khutlela sekolong.

Ehlile ha re re a ka rarolla taba le bothata esita le bona ba South Africa ehlile a ka rarolla bothata bona boo re nang le bona ka litšenyehelo tse sieo.

Feela lintho tseno ha li tšehetsoe, bona bana ba tšoanang le eena enoa eo ke buang ka ena.

Batho ba baholo kahare ho naha ena ba se ba ile ba mo atamela ebe ba mo siea mono feela ha ba qeta ho utloa litaba tse monate ba ea itsamaela.
Eleng hore tharollo e teng, Mohlomphehi.

Ha ke re oa tseba ke ntse ke theoha ka Hloahloeng kamoo!

Ho ka etsuoa letho ka litaba tseno kaofela ha tsona.

Eleng hore kannete mane moo re neng re ka tšehetsa lintho tseo ehlileng li leng teng mona re ne re ka ba botleng bo tšabehang haholo.
Ke ne ke mpa ke re taba ena ea li grant e bohloko hobane li-grant ha re na le tsona li thusa hore chelete ea ’Muso e jeoe e se ke ea sebetsa mabaka a eona, hobane li grant ha li fihla mokhoa oa tsona li fihla li re ke tlisa bokana uena o tlisa bokae?

So li grant tsena ha li fihla mona ebe batho bana chelete ena ea ’Muso ea nkuoa le eona e beoa mona but e tlil’o tla nyamela ho sala eane ea li grant.
Empa joale kaha eane ea li grant e etsoa manage hantle ke beng ba eona ba e fanang o tla fumana hore joale bothata bo seng bo hlaha ke hore lipehelo tsane tsa eona hore li phethahale li hana ho phethahala kaofela ha tsona.

Ebe e qetella e khutlile.

Le li-loan tsa rona li joalo.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 64 Re na le chelete e ’ngoe ea loan mona e ntseng e le teng ebileng e le loan eo re ntseng re e lefa interest, re nkile karolo e ’ngoe ea eona feela, e ’ngoe ha re ea e nka le ho e nka.
Re ntse re nahana hore na re boele re e nke eona e setseng, ke hore bohlasoa bo mona ke bo ka bolaeang pelo.

Eleng hore ’Muso ke ne ke lebelletse hore ha o ntse o sheba litaba tsena o sebetsane le litaba tseno ka kotloloho.

Re etsa joang hore chelete ea ’Muso e mpe e re haele teng joale e etse mabaka a hlakileng na ke afeng.

Bahlomphehi baka, budget e tšoanetse hore ebe tjena.

Ke mokhoa ona private sector e atlehang ka budget empa ’Muso o sa atlehe.
Budget e tšoanetse hore e bue ka hore ke tlil’o tla ke batla mochini o itseng oa bokana ka nako e itseng.

Tebello ke hore ho kanna ha ba le nyollo, ha re ne re sebetsa li maeneng koana re ne re re chelete eo re e kopang malapeng koana e neng e bitsoa litsela ha li tsejoe.

O mpha ea transport, Mofumahali, feela o ne o hopole hore mathata a tsela ona ha tsejoe.
Budget e tšoanetse hore ere ehlileng e hlokahala ke ena, ’me re ka lebella hore ho ka ba le mathatanyana a hlahang le eona e tsebahale ea mathatanyana a hlahang.

Empa kahare ho naha ena ha ho bonahale re etsa joalo ’me re ba le mathata a ikhethang haholo.

Ha re ne re ka lokisa litaba tseo Bahlomphehi ho ne ho ka ba hotle.

Ho ntse ho tšoana le li-loan, re nka li-loan ka chelete eo re sa tl’o e sebelisa,… HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Potso ka Setho se Khabane sa Thuathe.

HON.
HON.

V. TSHEKA (Thuathe): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Ke utloile Setho se Khabane se li beha ka makhethe hamonate.

Ke botsa feela hore na ke utloile hantle ha o re private sector e li tšoara hantle ke mokhoa oo budget ea teng e atlehang.

Eleng hore hoo ho re ruta hore haeba private sector ke ee ka pusong letsatsing lee eleng hore re be le tsepo [Liatla].

HON.
HON.

R. SEHLABAKA: Re qale mane moo re reng, ha ke ea re budget e atleha hobane private sector e tšoere hantle, ke itse private sector e atleha hobane budget ea eona e topa linthong tse tšoanetseng hore li etsuoe.

Li holisoa hantle hore litaba tseno li tle li phethehe [Liatla].
Joale, lehlakoreng la bobeli la karolo ea potso ea hao, tebello ene e le hore hona joale ha ho na le batho ba tsebang taba ena ba hlaha private sector mona ’Musong, ke ne ke sa tšoanela hore ke be le budget ena e ntsokolisitseng hakana-kana ka mane hore ke sebetsane le eona.

Ha ho ea bonahala tsebo ena e fetetse mona moo re hlokang Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 65 hore ebe teng budget ena [Liatla].

Ke hona moo tšoenyeho eleng kholo teng.


Ka tsela eno ebang detailed joalokaha ena joalo ha re le ho private sector.

Ke hona moo taba kholo eleng hore na.

Tebello ehlile ke hore ho be hotle haholo ha o se o na le mofuta ono o utloisisang litaba tseno.

Empa joale budget ha e mpontse taba eno ka kotloloho.

Taba eno ehlile ke eona e ntšoenyang haholo.

Ke kopa ke mpe ke tle tabeng e le ’ngoe etle e re ha nako eaka e fela, Mohlomphehi, ea be e le hore ke qetile.
Ntho e ntšoenyang e ’ngoe ka ho fetisisa ke taba ea li reform.

Taba ea li-reform ke process e sa kang sa fela.

Ke process e ntseng e le tšebetsong ebileng ekanna eaba e bile le nako e telele haholo.

Feela ke bona leha re bua ka tsona tabeng eane feela ea Omnibus Bill, ho na le Omnibus Bill ke ena ’me e tšoanetse hore e fetisoe.
U hopole hore eona Omnibus Bill eno e ne e tla re thusa hore ha re kena litabeng tsela tsa Mapolesa le tsa Makhotleng, ha Omnibus Bill e ne e se e kene litaba tseno li ne li tla tšoaroa hantle joalokaha Mohlomphehi Moetapele oa Bohanyetsi a boletse ha a beha litaba tsa hae mona.

Leha e se e kene leha e ne eka kena ho na le ntho e neng e tšoanetse hore e entsoe ke budget ena hore ebe ho kenelletse litaba tsa hore re tsebe hore na process ena ea li reform hantle-ntle ho etsahalang ka eona.
Na e se e le ntho e shoeleng hobane Omnibus Bill che ke eona ntho eo ho seng ho buoa ka eona hona joale kapa re ntse re ena le mosebetsi o mongata o tšoanetseng hore Sechaba se be le tsepo ea hore re Paramente e utloisisang mosebetsi oo re keneng ho ona hona joale.

O kenyelletsang oa hore li-reform li tle li etsuoe ho fihlella bophetheho.

Taba eno ha ke e bone kahare ho budget ’me ke tšoenyehile hona hoo.
Ke lakalitse hore re ke re supe tsela ka mokhoa o fapaneng ’me re tle re qetelletse re etsa lintho ka tšoanelo.

Ha ke tsebe hore na ho tlil’o tla ho etsuoa joang hore re lise lintho tse sa hlakang, mohlala re nke Queen Mamohato Memorial, Queen Mamohato Memorial e re re il’o reka mechini eo re e hlokang?

Ha o re na efeng ha ba o bontse eona.

Ke bokae?

Ha o e bone.


Lintho tsena tse kahara budget li bohloko bona boo haesale, hobane joale ha re le Maparamente re tlil’o tla lisa tšebeliso ea chelete ena, re tlil’o tla e lisa joang?

Ke mona moo a ka nang a tloha a hlaha kamora selemo eaba o re ha kea reka mochini ke ile ka be ke se ke reka linku bakuli ba ne ba lapa.

O sitoa ho etsa monitor hantle ha litaba li le joalo.

Ke kopa ke thole, ha ke le mona Mohlomphehi ke siile ba bang banabeso.
Litaba tsaka li ngata feela ke li khaola mona, kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 66 HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Setho se Khabane sa Matala.

HON.

T. MOROKE (Matala): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Ho ema hoaka ho qhololitsoe ke litaba tsa infrastructure haholo kahare ho litaba tsena tsa budget tseo re ntseng re sebetsana le tsona le likhakanyo tsa lichelete.

Ke ithutile hore taba ena ea infrastructure e batla e ba taba ebatlang eba gross cutting makaleng a a ’maloa.
E bontša hore ehlile ’Muso o na le tjantjello ea ho ntlafatsa bophelo ba sechaba.

Taba ena etla hlaha katlase ho litaba tsa Ministry of Local Government moo budget ena e toboketsang litaba tsa khaho ea li bus terminals ’me hape e boele e fete e il’o bua mane boo re buang ka Public Works moo e ntseng e lokisa litsela ’me e na le morero hape oa ho aha litsela tse ncha.

Kapa ho ntšetsapele khaho ea litsela tse seng li ntse li le morerong.
Ke bontše hore taba ena ea infrastructure ke taba e bontsang ka kotloloho kapa hoo re ka ho sebelisang ho bontša performance ea ’Muso hobane qetellong ea letsatsi ho tla ba le liemahale li tla bona hore na maputulo a ’Muso ke a feng.

Re tla hopola hore lilemong tsa ho feta.


Ho kile ha nna ha eba le litaba tsa hore tse ling tsa merero ea mebuso e fetileng re kile ra eba le litaba tseo ho neng hothoe mehaho e meng e ile ea ahoa moeeng ’me re ne re cho joalo hobane on the ground re ne re sena anything eo re ka e supang.
Ha ke bua ka taba ena ea infrastructure, taba ea li bus terminal ke ile ka e ama ke taba ea bohlokoa haholo e tlil’o tla kenya letsoho kholisong ea moruo oa rona hobane moo re ahang tsona li bus stop tseo li boetse hape li etsa create opportunity ea hore joale re be le libaka tseo re ka bang le li micro enterprises tse tlil’o tla li tsamaea le tsona li bus terminal tseo.
Ho ba le libaka tsa khoebo tse nyenyane tseo eleng hore joale Basotho baha bo rona ba ka khona ho kena likhoebong tse tsetsanyane ekaba ho rekisa fruits and vegetables le litaba tse ling tse batlang li tsamaea kapele.
Ke toboketse hore mohato ona oa ’Muso ke mohato o nepahetseng haholo ’me ha motho a khutla a etsa reference boithutong bo teng ba libaka tse batlang li tšoana le tseo lefatseng ka bophara ra fumana hore ke taba e teng e bitsoang transport orientated development moo eleng hore joale re etsa create economic notes tse itšetlehang ka tsona libaka tseo tsa transport.
E boetse hape taba ena joalokaha ke se ke bontšitse e tlabe e arabetse tlhokahalo ea mesebetsi hobane libakeng te joalo re tlabe re se re ena le batho ba khonang ho iphelisa ka likhoebo tseo tsa bona hape ho Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 67 hong oa bohlokoa ke oa hore ha re ntse re boetse re ntlafatsa maemo ao a transport le connectivity ea libaka.
Ke Mohlomphehi Maqelepo a ileng a bua ka ona maobane a re e ’ngoe ea mokhoa oa ho ntlafatsa economy ea rona e batla e tsetleha haholo ka taba ea ho kopanya libaka tse peli le mokhoa oa ho tsamaea ha bobebe.
Hona ho re bontša hore ha re etsa create li transportation system tsena ka mokhoa ona re bella kapele taba ea litsela, re behella kapele taba ea mefuta e fapaneng ea modes of transport, hape joale re boetse re arabela tlhoko eane ea libaka tsa ho e phelisa, ehlile joale re batla re kene ka kotloloho moo re reng joale bophelo ba Basotho ba habo rona batla khona ho fetoha.
Litaba tsena Bahlomphehi li boetse li arabela taba e ’ngoe hape e kholo ea bohlokoa eo eleng hore ha re ntse re pota-pota le Lesotho o bona tšebeliso ea mobu e sa raloang hantle.

Ekaba ke ka libaka tsa bolulo, ekaba tsa khoebo, ekaba le tsebeliso ea mobu ka masimo.

Ha re na le libaka tse tla beng li raliloe tseo tseo eleng hore re tla be re li bitsa tsona li district bus terminals.
Hona ho bontša hape hore ’Muso ehlile sepheo sa ona ke ho etsa contribute ka mokhoa o khethehileng towards what we call place making, hona ho bolela hore re tlaba le libaka tse raliloeng hantle tse tlabe li kenyelletsa kahare ho tsona libaka tsa khoebo tse well demarcated, libaka tsa bolulo le libaka tse industry tse nyenyane kapa tse kholo.

Hona ho bontša hore ’Muso ona … HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Hon.

Letšaba HON.
Letšaba HON.

H. LETŠABA (PR): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Sebui se ntseng se bua hantle fela se bonahala se se se betiloe ke pelo ea ho bua joale le lerato la budget ka hore se bone lintho tseo se li batlang eka ke lintho tse teng kahare ho budget.

Ha hona moo ho buoeng ka taba ea khaho ea matlo kahare ho budget le hanyenyana feela.

Ka hona, Mohlomphehi, a hule taba eno, hobane ha se taba e teng ka mono.

Kea leboha.

Mohlomphehi.

HON.


MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi, kea leboha ka ntlha ena ea tsamaiso.

Mohlomphehi taba ea matlo ha e le sieo kahare ho polelo ena ea Mohlomphehi moo a neng a teka budget ha ho nepahale hore ebe re e bua ka Ntlong ka mona ka hona e hule taba eo haeba u e buile e le sieo kahare ho budget.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 68 HON.

T. MOROKE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ke ne ke sa thala le hakaalo.


Hantle ha re bua ka urban planning ha ke ntse ke ithuta Report na.

Ha ke bua ka urban planning re bua ka litaba tsa infrastructure re bua ka litaba tsa place making e kenyeletsang le tsona li settlements, hono ho tla bolela housing … HON.

H. LETŠABA: Ke bona eka Setho se Khabane ha se utloisisi ruling ea Setulo ka hore hothoe se hule se seke sa araba.
Hothoe ntho ena ea khaho ea matlo, ea hore budget e re ho tlil’o tla ahoa matlo joalokaha Setho se Khabane sa Matala se bolela ha e eo Mohlomphehi, ke boiqapelo ba sona.

Kahona Setho se Khabane sa Matala se tšoanela ho hula joalokaha o se o entse Ruling, Mohlophehi.

Kea leboha.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: U’a bolela Mohlomphehi Letšaba.

Ke bontsitse hore, Mohlomphehi haeba taba ena e kene kahare ho taba eo Setho se Khabane se ntseng se e teka se tle se e hule haeba ho le joalo.
Ke ne ke utloa ekare ha se hlalosa se etsa reference hore taba eo se bolelang ka eona ke efeng ena e etsang relate to taba ea housing joalokaha o e hlalosa.

Tsoelapele Setho se Khabane sa Matala.

HON.

T. MOROKE: Taba tsena tsa budget ha re ntse re shebile litaba tsa infrastructure tse kenyeletsang taba tsa bus terminals, market infrastructure le tse qopetsang ho litaba tsa urban planning kannete li fa motho tšepo ea hore re ea re tobile Lesotho le fetohileng le tlilo re etsetsa bophelo bo monate haholo.
Ke fete ke kene ntlheng ea bobeli e buang ka litaba tsa climate change.

Litaba tsena ke bone le tsona li etsa gross cut ka hare ho litaba tsa li-ministry tse ling tse ‘maloa le tsona ke phaphatha ‘Muso lehetla ka hore ehlile o hatile hantle hobane taba ena ea climate change ha se bothata bo tobileng naha ea Lesotho feela ke bothata bo tobilenglinaha tsohle tsa lefatše.
Motho ha u sheba li-report tsa European Union (UN) li behile sehlohlolong sa litaba tseo ba tlilo sebetsana le tsona, ho li-strategic plans tsa bona tsa lilemotse hlano hoe a holimo.

Motho o’a khothala ha u fumana hore ’Muso o atametse taba ena ka sona sebopeho sa mofuta ona.

Ha motho u ntse u sebetsa ka hare ho Likomiti ke ile ka boela ka tlala matla ha u fumana hore hon a le merero ka litsi tse ling tse seng li atametse moo litaba tsena tsa climate change ka mokho o batlang o le holimo haholo.
Se seng sa litsi tseno ke se bitsoang ReNOKA.

eaba taba ena ba e nkela holimo haholo hoo ba Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 69 boneng ho hlokahala ba etse coordinate mafapha a mang hore taba ena ea climate change e tle e tsebe ho atameloa ka mokhoa o batlang ho bataletse haholo.
E se e le tlhahiso kapa boipiletso hore e ke Makala ana ao litaba tsa climate change li hlahang ka hare ho ona hantle ha ho nepahetse Madam Deputy Speaker, taba ena re tlokela ho etsa streamline it Makaleng ’ohle a ‘Muso hobane e ama litaba tsa rona tsa letsatsi le letsatsi, e ama bophelo ba Mosotho e mong le e mong, ekaba re ka e atamela re shebile litabatsa Gender kapa re ka e atamela re shebile litaba tsa lipapali, ha u sheba hore na tlasa nako e thata joang ke taba tsena tsa climate change hona ho re bontša hore eka bohlokoa ke hore eka policy tsa libaka tse fapaneng li ka etsa incoperate taba ena ea climate change ba shebe hore na ba e batla ba e tlisa boemong boo e leng hore Lekala kapa lefapha le joalo le ka e sebetsa ka sebopeho sefeng.
Taba ea hore ha ke eme mona ke re hajoale re batla re na le Makala a fetang boraro a se a ntse a atamela taba eo ea climate change hona hore budget ena is addressing mathata ao re shebaneng le ona a maholo re le naha.

Ka ho cho joalo, ke re ke khothetse ka mehato ena ea ‘Muso ea ho arabela mathata ana a tikoloho, climate change, infrastructure a nako ena eo re leng ho eona ‘me ke ne ke re ‘Muso o tšoare joalo o ntlafatse holim’a foundation eo re neng re se re o file ona.
Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Deputy Speaker [Liatla].

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Hon.

Member for ’Makhoroana.

HON.

T. J. CHEBA (’Makhoroana): Ke lebohile haholo, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ke ema ka ntlha ea tsamaiso, ke re pele reea moo re ka thethang litaba tseo re ntseng re bua ka hare ho tsona ha u ntumella ke fe Ntlo e Khabane bopaki boo ke neng ke ile ka bua ka bona ka nako eo ke neng ke ntse ke bua ka bona nakong eo ke ntseng ke teka litaba pele rea tinareng.
Kutloisiso e ne e le hore sepheo sa Madam Deputy Speaker e ne e se hore ke hlahe ke sa bue ‘nete ke qapile litaba empa o ne a re ke cheche hanyane re tle le bopaki ‘me ke tšoere Hansard ea Labone la la 1 Tšitoe, 2022 letsohong laka.

Ha u ntumella ke tla tsoelapele, Mohlomphehi.

Ke se ke bile ke thakhoha, ke lemose Litho tse Khabane hore ke tšoere Hansard ea Labone la la 1 Tšitoe, 2022.

Ho ne ho ile ha etsoa lipotso tse ngotsoeng, letsatsing leo Bahlomphehi Matona a ba teng ho tla araba lipotso.
Har’a lipotso tse neng li botsitsoe e ne e le lipotso tse hlahang ho Mohlomphehi Tšeliso Mokhosi li toba Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 70 Lekala la Letona la Lichelete.

Mohlomphehi Mokhosi o ne a itse, “O ne a bontšitse hore mohlang Mohlomphehi Tona-Kholo a neng a amohela lesokoana ka Setsoto Stadium, mohlang a hlomamisoang, o ne a fane ka litaba tse ngata empa har’a tse ling a supa hore o laela hore ho e’o bokelloa mekoloto eohle ea ’Muso oa Lesotho e kolotoang ho Basotho”.
Litaba tsena li hlaha leqepheng la leshome le metso e supileng (page 17) ho Hansard.

“Ho bokelloe mekoloto eohle e kolotoang Basotho ekaba ke mekonteraka, service providers kapa businesses”.

Re ipapisitse le taelo eo, Hon.

Mokhosi a re na taelo eo ea Mohlomphehi Tona-Kholo e phethiloe na?

Ke potso ea hae ea bobeli.

Potso ea hae ea bobeli, o ne a re, “Letona le Khabane le hlalose the total amount owned to Basotho people and the dates of the earliest debts.
Na Mekoloto ena e tloha morao hakae?” Joale, ntlha ea boraro e hlahang hona potsong ea Hon.

Mokhosi, e re, “The status of Government Debt in foreign countries”.

Ntlha ea bone, e le “The status of Government Savings and Investments”.

Ntlha ea bohlano, Hon.


Mokhosi, Setho se Khabane sa Ntlo ena [Litšeho] eaba o re ho Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane, a hlalose whether after making analysis kamor’a pokello ea mekoloto ena hore na ke ea ‘nete ho etsahetse joang, after analyzing the situation say whether Lesotho is or is not in a stable financial situation.

Joale, ha Hon.

Mokhosi a sea botsitse lipotso tsena eaba Hon.


Dr. R. Matlanyane, ea teng ka hare ho Ntlo ena e Khabane eo re emeng kajeno ho komela puo ea hae lebitsoang la cabinet o’a araba.

H’a araba o re:- “HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE (Minister of Finance and Development Planning): Kea leboha Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Potsong ea pele ke kopa ho araba ka mokhoa o latelang:- The Rt.

Hon Prime Minister’s directive has been carried out.
All commitments that the Government is owing to suppliers has been called to the Ministry of Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 71 Finance and has been consolidated.

The submissions of arrears come from different ministries, departments and agencies.

The same report has been tabled before the Rt.

Hon.

Prime-Minister.

The plan is to verify the existence and establish the legitimacy of all the reported debts and prepare for payment of the same debts from one source been the Ministry of Finance.
Payments are intended to have been made before the end of the financial year, in March, 2023.

Ha ke ee moo re buang ka hona hoa hore na o itse mekoloto e tla hlakoloa kapa che.

O ee a botsoe ke Hon.

Phiri a nyanyeletsa.

Re se re itse ha u lutse Setulong seo ho se ke hathoe u Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, re itse u Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, in your own right letsatsing la kajeno.

Empa e re ke bale moo Hon.

Dr. Matlanyane a buileng:- “HON.


DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Karabong eaka ke bontšitse mekoloto ea naha kaofela.

Mekoloto ena ea naha kaofela e kenyelelitse batho bohle ba kolotoang ha se bahoebi feela.

Mekoloto ea Matichere e kene hona moo.

Ka boela ka hlalosa hore mekoloto ena e mekhahlelo ’me re ntse re etsa verifications ho tseba hore na mekoloto ena ke mekoloto e authentic le ho etsa establish legitimacy ea mekoloto ena.
Ka boela ka bontša hore plan ke hore mekoloto ena e tle e lefshuoe by the end of the financial year.

Ka ho cho joalo ke re mekoloto ea Matichere e kenelletse hona moo ’me e tla hlahlojoa ’me haeba e le legitimate e tla lefshuoa [Liatla]”.

H’a e-s’o qete ke hona a tlilo etsa emphasis hape.

O ile a botsoa lipotso tse hlahlamang hape a kena Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane, Hon.

Dr. Matlanyane.

Li hlaha ho page 20.

E re ke e bale, o ne a ile a botsoa potso ke Hon.

Leader of Opposition:- “HON.


DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Melao e joalo e matsohong a rona re ntse re e hlahloba hore re tle re boele re e khutlisetse ka koano hore e mpe e fetisoe kapele kamoo ho ka khonehang, kea leboha [Liatla]”.

Potsong e ‘ngoe hape eaba Dr. Matlanyane o’a araba o re: Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 72 “HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.
Ke ne ke re potsong ea Setho se Khabane polelo eaka e itse morero (the plan) ke hore mekoloto ena e lefshuoe pele selemo sena sa lichelete se feela,ea leboha”.

Tsena li hlaha ho page 21.

Taba eo ke emang ka eona, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, e le ntlha ea tsamaiso ke hore, Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane ha re ntse re bua mona o ile a kokobela hobane a tseba hore e le Mohlanka oa Executive o lokela ho kokobella litaba tse buuang ke the oversight body e bitsoang Paramente.
Joale, re qotsa lintlha tseo a li buileng hore e tle mpe e re nakong eo re a re arabang a tle a behe monoana tabeng ena a re fe tlaleho.

Ha re ntse re etsa joalo ho hlaha Litho tseo re sa li botseng, joale li re re tlisa mathetsi ka hare ho Paramente ha ho na moo Letona le Khabane le itseng by the end of this financial year moralo oa bona e le Cabinet ke hore mekoloto ena eabe e lefshuoe kaofela [Liatla].
Ha ke khutlela ho uena, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, kannete, with all due respect, ke ne ke re ho uena ha ke tsebe hore na ke tla re’ng [Litšeho] hobane u bohareng ba rona.

U Motsamaisi, re lokela hore ka mahlakore ’ohle re u thuse hore u tsamaise Ntlo ena hantle u sa sekamele ka ho le letona kapa le letšehali.

Ke qetelletse ke hojoa ka phafa mona hore ke hule taba, hobane joale ke lahla Ntlo e Khabane.

Mohlomphehi Moetapele oa Bohanyetsi a ba a ema a re, “Oho!
Polelo ea hore Ntlo ea lahloa ke Letona le Khabane, ha e tsoe ho ‘na, e tsoa ho Setho se ka nq’ane se neng se beha taba hore ke itse Letona le etsa mislead Ntlo”.

Joale, eaba u qetella u bua kathata, ke mpe ke bolele hore Madam Deputy Speaker ke qala ho bua ka hare ho Ntlo ena e Khabane kajeno, it was my maiden speech.

Ke hlomphile bohle ba ntseng ba bua ka li nako tsohle.
Letsatsing laka la pele ba bang ha ba ntse ba nketsa hackle ha ke na taba empa ha ke se ke hojoa ka phafa ke eo ke lebelletseng hore ke sireletsoe ke eena, a mpe a re, “Ke u laela hore u emise taba ena mona, u tle le bopaki boo u bo behe mona ebe re tseba ho tsoelapele”.

Ebe kannete ke etsuoa ntho e mpe hakana, ke etsoa insinuate Letona le Khabane empa ho sa thoe le hothoe lintho tsena ha li eo empa li le teng.

Ka ‘nete kea kopa ebile kea rapela, kea u tšepa ‘M’e oaka, u motho eo re sebelitseng le eena.
Kannete ke kopa u mpe u tataise hore na u ka re’ng boemong bona ho ‘na.

hobane ke metopa ka mahetleng ka mona, kea leboha [Liatla].

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 73 HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea leboha, Setho se Khabane sa ’Makhoroana.

Kannete seo ke lokelang ho se ananela li sa tloha feela, ha kea elelloa hore it is your maiden speech.
Re tla lumellana hore ha ke lule Setulong sena kamehla kahona e ile ea ntširela hore kannete u hloka ho sireletsoa haholo nakong eo u tlosang leoto joale u teka litaba tsa hau.

Eno ke re ha ea tšoareha hantle hobane ha motho a etsa maiden speech re lokela ho mo fa monyetla oa hore a nolofalloe ke ho ea e fetisa e le ntlha ea tsamaiso.

Ho ne ho lokeleha hore ke re, tsena tseo re seng re li buile ke ile ka fana ka Ruling, re tseba procedure hore na re lokela ho etsa joang.
Empa ke ile ka ikeletsa hobane le ‘na ke ile ka ba le monyetla oa hore ke nyakurele Hansard ena ke batla ho bona hore na ke sebelitse litaba tsaka ka sebopeho sefeng.

Ke ile ka hlokomela hore ehlile Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane joalokaha ke ile ka cho, o ile a bontša Ntlo hore lichelete li tl’o lefshuoa.

Empa kamorao hore ho be le lipotso tse nyanyeletsang a be a bontša hore morero ke hore ho tl’o etsahala joalo.
Ke cho tjena hobane from the Hansard eo re buang ka eona, ho bontšitsoe hore ho lokela hore ho etsoe verification.

The very Hansard eo u buileng ka eona e’a bontša hore ha verification e entsoe, morero ke hore bohle ba lefshuoe.

Ntlha eo ke neng ke tsepame ho eona ke ena eo ho neng ho hlaha eka Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane o hatisitse thupa le lefatše a bontša hore joang kapa joang ho tla be ho entsoe litefo tseo ho se na any conditions.
Ke eona feela taba eo ke neng ke e hapella ho Setho se Khabane seo se neng se ema ka ntlha ea tsamaiso hore, ha hoa buua eona taba eo ea hore o etsa Ntlo mislead.

Ke ile ka lokisa mantsoe aka, ‘me ka re the insinuation ke eona eo, e leng eona eo ke neng ke se ke tsitsitse eona.

Bahlomphehi, ke qetella ka hore hoa nepahala hore Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane, joalokaha a koptjuoa ke Setho se Khabane sa ’Makhoroana hore a bolelle Ntlo ena e Khabane hore na merero ea Puso ka litefo tsa sechaba ke efeng.
Taba eo a tle a e hape, a bue ka eona e le hore e hlakele bohle re se ke ra sala re le lipotso kapa re e na le maikutlo a ka etsang mislead sechaba hore na polelo ea Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane e bile ea mofuta ofeng.

Litabang tseo ke buileng ka tsona ka tsona Mohlomphehi, ke ananela maikutlo a hau.

Ke etsa kopo e khethehileng ho Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane hore a tle a li hapelle a tsebe hore a arabele lipotso tsena ka tsela eo u li tekileng ka eona.
Kea pheta ke re the handling was improper, Setulo se lokela hore se tšireletse bohle, le Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 74 hore e ne e le puo ea hau ea pele eo u tekileng ka matla ka ‘nete.

Ke ananela boemo boo.

Your point of order e ananetsoe ke Setulo, kea leboha.

HON.

M. S. LEHATA: Point of order!

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Point of order, Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng.

HON.

M. S. LEHATA: Kea leboha Madam Speaker.

My point of order ha se le hore ho fositsoe tsamaiso hakaalo.
Ke ne ke kopela Setho se Khabane sa Thaba-Bosiu hore se ke se bue le sona re utloe hore na se bua joang.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ha ho na ntlha ea tsamaiso moo Mohlomphehi.

Setho se seng le se seng se na le tokelo ea ho ikopela hore se bue, ntle le ha se ntse se etsa puo joale se ikopela extension.

Bahlomphehi Litho tse Khabane, ke ile ka bontša hore re lokela ho komela the Financial Policy as presented by Hon.

Minister of Finance.


Ke hlokomela ha ke ala mahlo hore ekare Bahlomphehi ba khotsofetse, ba tekile litaba tsa bona.

Bahlomphehi kea kopa, litaba tse ling it’s a matter of procedure.

Hoa nepahala hore re ‘ne re etseng ka tsela eo re fuoeng ka eona.

Ke ile ka fana ka nako ke leka ho sheba hore na ho ntse ho ena le ba nang le kahleho ea ho ema ‘me ka bona ho sena taba e joalo.
Ka ha ke ne ke e so bitse Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane hore a kobelle, ke tla fana ka monyetla ona ke shebe hore na ho na le Litho tse Khabane tse ka khahloang ho kena ka hare ho Financial Policy as presented by the Hon.

Minister of Finance.

Hon.

Member for Mekaling you have the floor.

HON.

T. LEKITLA (Mekaling): Kea leboha Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Khomo ha e se e le tjena e se rauoe.

Ba buileng pele ho rona ba se ba buile.

Rona re se re tlatseletsa.


Ke phaphathe Letona le Khabane la lichelete ka khakanyo eo a seng a e entse.

Ke tlo bua ka lintho tse peli feela.

Letona la lichelete Dr. Matlanyane hore na, ke bone hore temo ka ‘nete e fuoe chelete eo e bonahalang bohle ba ananela hore elekane kapa e ngata.

Ke kopa ha u araba u tlo thetse hore na, are you aware ka tumellano e ileng ea etsoa ke linaha tsa Africa ka 2014, e bitsoang Malabo declaration?
Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 75 Ke moo ho ileng hoa lumellanoa hore naha e ‘ngoe le e ‘ngoe ha e etsa budget ea eona, 10% e isoe temong.

Taba ena e ile ea etsoa e bile e behetsoe deadline line ea hore 2024 hoa be ho fokolitsoe sekhahla sa tlala e neng e bonahala e tjametse Aforika.

Ke shebile likhakanyo tseo Letona le li entseng tsa 2023/2024.

Ke ithutile hore only M1, 100,000,000.00 ke eona e ileng temong.
Ke itela mootloane Letona le Khabane hore chelete ena ke kopa hore e nyolloe e etsoe 5% of the budget ena ea hona joale, e le hore bonyane re tle re tsebe ho meet target ea Malabo declaration.

Ntlha ea ka ea ho qetela ke ea Tobacco and Alcohol Levi eo u e kentseng selemong sena ka hare ho puo ea hau Letona le Khabane.

Levi ena ea mothamahane, hona le kompone (company) e etseng mothahamane eo ‘Muso o nang le li share ho eona.

Parastatal ea ‘Muso ena le li share ho eona e se e ikarabella ho uena.
Ministry of Finance o na le li share.

Ka kotloloho Muso ke ona moriteli oa mothahamane ka hare ho naha ena ea Lesotho.

Lilemong tse 5 tse fetileng, company ena eo ‘Muso o leng owner e ile ea etsa contribute over M1 billion tax on local produced beer.

Company ena eo ‘Muso o leng owner, selemo se seng le se seng e kenya letsoho ka 3% of the GDB.
Mohlomphehi, le haele mona ke bona hore Levi u e entse charge ka ho lekana, ea imports le ea local production, e leng 15%, ke kopa local production re theole percent.

Ho etsa joalo ho etsa hore joala bo be turu South Africa ho feta Lesotho.

Seo se tlo nyolla smack ling ea joala malibohong a Lesotho.

E etsa hore basebelisi ba joala ba batle alternative e ‘ngoe hoo ba ka qeteletseng ba sebelisa drugs.

Ke lumela hore ha u ka theola percent litaba tsohle li tsamaea hantle.

Kea leboha.

HON.
Kea leboha.

HON.

M. HLOAELE (Maliba-matšo): Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, kea leboha.

Ke ananela puo ena ea Letona le Khabane la lichelete.

Ntlha ea ka e ‘ngoe feela.

Litabeng tsa hae hona le moo ho keneng lihala-hala.

Lihala-hala tsena li ne li reretsoe hore li thusetse linthong tse ‘maloa haholo bacheng.

Ha ke tl’o bua ka lintho tseno ke mpa ke batla ho bontša feela lintlha tseo ke tlilo kopa Letona le Khabane ke be ke le joetse ke ’m’e oa ka enoa ke mong’aka.
Ke tlo mo kopa hore a tle a li ele hloko lintlha tsena.

Lihalahala ka hare ho tsona li tšoere feela chelete eo re ka e nolofatsang hore ke ea leino, recurrent.

Mono re shebile meputso haholo.

Ha ho na letho le ka etsang hore ba amehang ba ke ba nke chelete eno bae o etsa li-project ele hore ha ena capital component ka hare ho eona.

E ne e ka ba hantle hore Letona le Khabane le ke le shebe taba eno.
Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 76 E tšoenyang ka ho fetisisa, lihalahala tsena nakong ea tsona ha li ntse li sebetsa, li hlokile ponaletso ka tsela eohle e mpe eo motho o ka e nahanang.

Ke tseba lebatooa le leng le nkhakang ka lebitso ke le tseba o ne o tla bona ha letsatsi le chaba batho ba se ba ea mosebetsing libakeng tse fapaneng feela ha u se u ka oa batla hore na batho bano ba fumane joang e ne e le ka mahlabisa lihlong a tšabehang.
Bahlomphehi Matona, Maparamente ka ho fapana ha a tsoha feela o nka fono o letsetsa thatohatsi ea hae hore e ilo sebetsa.

O re o ea ho council o ilo botsa council ha e tsebe letho, Morena ho joang ka moo ha a tsebe letho hantle joale ho tseba mang.

Ho tseba motho ea neng a hira batho bano a le mong ke ea pele.

Ea bobeli ha u se u ka re u ea mane moo ho sebetsoang teng hee u ilo sheba hore na ho etsoang, mahlabisa lihlong.

Ba tla be ba le point A tsatsing leno ba sebetsa.


Tsatsi labobeli ba ntse ba le hona mono ha ho na movement o teng ka tsela e fe kapa e fe.

Ha u re oa batla hore na mookameli ke mang moo tabeng tsee ha ho tsebahale feela batho bona ba sebetsa.

Ba tla ikhethela hore na ba ea mosebetsing ha ho le joang.

U ka ’na fumana ba nka letsatsi a fetang ba sa ee feela qetellong teng patala e tla etsoa.

Ke se ke khothaletsa Letona le Khabane hore le tle mpe le shebe taba eno.
A ka mpe a ikhethele hore lihalahala tsena li etsoe audit che hore na a ka qala kae ke tla e siea ho Lekala feela e ne e ka ba hantle hore audit e tle e kene moo.

Re ke re bone hore na ntho ena e tšoere eng.

Ke Setho sa Economic and Development Cluster, Mohlomphehi.

Ha re batla batla hore na leano le teng le tsamaisang lihalahala tsee.
Hona tjena ke batla hore ha le eo hobane le ile la sitoa ho fumaneha ha komiti eno e ne e le batla empa haeba le teng leano leo, Mohlomphehi ke tla kopa hore le tle mpe le fuoe Molula-Setulo oa Komiti ena hore e tle ke shebe.

Morero e ne e le hore lihalahala li mpe li bebofatse leha eba li sa felisi tlhokahalo ea mesebetsi, unemployment empa ha ele ho fihlela hona joale li ntse li sebetsa, Mohlomphehi, ha hona ntho eo u ka ba oa ngolla haee ka eona hore morero ono o fihletsoe.
E tla hloka hore e tle e ke e shejoe taba eno.

Economic and Development Cluster e khothalletsa hore yes budget e tle e fetisoe e amanang le lihalahala eea eona ha e fete feela ha e qeta ho feta e ke e tšoaroe hanyane Lekala le itlhophe.

E tle e re ha mosebetsi ona o thakholoa e tle ebe ka tsela e nang le ponaletso e nang le methoho e hlakileng [Liatla] hore na ho tle ho sebetsoe joang hore na ho ameha bo mang.
Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 77 Haeba Bahlomphehi ka mona haeba le na le lentsoe mono tabeng tseno e tle e hlake taba eno leano leno policy e tle be teng.

Ke qetella ka ena.

Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane, tsatsi la pele a tlile ka mona ka Ntlong ena e Khabane, e se e le Mohlomphehi Letona ’Musong oa Motlotlehi re ne re eme kae kae hona ka mona ke ntho ea pele eo ke neng ke e behe ho eena.

Mohlomphehi, o tle o shebe lihalahala, hei!


Ntho eno e lubile Basotho bana metseng mona ho tla hantle kea kholoa khetlong lena o tla ke a e hlokomele a e behe leihlo.

U itse re boloke nako, Mohlomphehi, kea leboha [Liatla].

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi Matela, you have the floor.

HON.

M. MATELA (PR): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.
Le ’na ka tsela e tšoanang le Bahlomphehi ba bang kannete ke kopa ho ke hle ke thoholetse kakanyo tsena tsa lichelete tsa selemo sa lichelete sa 2023/2024 le mosebetsi o moholo oo Letona le Khabane le seng le o entse.

Likarolo feela tse ke tla li thetsa ha li le kalo-kalo.
Kea kholoa e kholo eo ke bonang ’na e ka ’nang ea re beha tsietsing ke taba ea hore na boitelo ba rona re le sechaba re le naha na bo shejoa joang ke machaba haholo hobane ke batseteli ba lahlehetsoeng ke tšepo ho rona mona moo re boneng hore lithuso tseo batseteli kapa batho ba neng ba re thusa ka lichelete ba ikutloang ka teng ka lebaka la hobane re bonahala re na le lesisitheho ha re ea re lebane le litaba tsena tsa tlhopho bocha.
Kea kholoa moo ’na ke neng ke mpa ke bona ke na le letsoalo ke moo ke sa bonang hore na ka hare ho kakanyo ena ea lichelete moo likhakanyo tsena tsa lichelete moo ho bonahalang ho hlahile chelete e tlo sebelisoa bakeng sa referendum ho bontša boitelo bona ba rona bona na ke ho kae.
Leha re hlokometse hore chelete eona e teng ka tlas’a paragraph 144 of the budget speech M214,600,000 for Local Government Elections, likhetho tsa Puso ea Libaka e teng empa ha rea bona chelete e amanang le litaba tsena tsa referendum.
Ke moo Independent Electroral Commission (IEC) e neng e ile ea hlahisa joalokaha eka eona e ne e sentse e bone ekare likhetho tsena ka bobeli kapa litaba tsena ka bobeli li kana tsa tsamaisoa ’moho e le ho etsa bonnete ba hore ho fokotsoe litaba tsa litjeho tsa mesebetsi e etsoang makhetla a mangata.
Kea kholoa ke hona moo ngongoreho ea ka e leng hona teng litabeng tsena tsa batseteli le batho ba re thusang Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 78 haholo ha SADC e se e ile ea tla mona ea re botsa hore na hantle-ntle re ntse re sebetsa joang ka taba tsena tsa tlhopho bocha.

Ha ke feta mono ke kena litabeng tsa Disaster Management kannete ke rata ho thoholetsa ’Muso.
Re bone hore hona le taba e bitsoang Disaster Risk Financing e tlo tlisa phethoho ka hare ho Lesotho haholo-holo ho bahoebi ba banyane ka lebaka la hobane ho na le letlolo le tlilo tla le etsoa le amanang le ho sireletsa likhoebo tsena tse nyane joalo feela ha re ile ra bona hore hothoe likotsi ha li etsahala kapa disaster ha li etsahala ekanna eaba tsena tsa maemo a leholimo kapa ka nako tse ling joaloka COVID-19 ke bokulo ebe ho fumaneha hore naha e koetsoe.
Joale, ha ho na mokhoa oa hore na sechaba ka nako e ’ngoe haholo-holo bana ba likhoebo tse nyane na re ba atametsa joang mane moo o fumanang hore mabenkele a koetsoe hothoe re lule haee ha ba sa khona ho sebetsa.

Kannete ke rata ho thoholetse ’Muso hore ebe ho na le merero ea mofuta ono ea ho ba le buffers of that nature in place.

Apologies Madam Speaker.
Tabeng ea meralo e nyallanang e neheletsanoang litabeng tsena tsa Belo le Tikoe leha re shebile hore re sentse re batla e ke mesebetsi ena e likete tse mashome a mabeli le metso e ’meli e ka ba teng tšepo ke hore e tla ba teng ho ea…Kea kholoa ho tla be ho qetuoe moaho kea kholoa ka bo June 2023 empa ha u sheba mono u fumana hore joale motlakase ha o eo e leng eona taba eo re reng e ea re ngongorehisa ena ea hore meralo ha e etsoa e etsoe e nyallana ele hore e tle e tsebe hore e tle e tsebe hore ka nako eo mesebetsi ebe e tšoanetse hore eabe e le teng re re ntse re ipotsa hore na chelete e tla tsoa kae moo Lekala le tšoanetseng hore le ise chelete sebakeng se seng moo le tšoanetseng ho sebetsana le litaba tse ling.
Joale, ba qetella ba tlamehile ho batlana le chelete ea hore ba il’o kenya metsi kapa ba fumana mekhoa ea hore motlakase o kena joang kapa ba fumane mekhoa ea hore na tsela li fihla joang mono.

Moo e tšoanetseng ebe Basotho ba se ntse ba fumana mesebetsi ho latela ka mokhoa oo re hlaloselitsoeng ka teng.
Ho sentse ho e na le bahoebi ba hlokang ho kena mono ba hlokang hore ba il’o sebetsa joale chelete ea ’Muso e qetella e fetile e ile sebakeng se sele moo e seng karolo eo Trade e tšoanetse ho sebetsa teng.

Ehlile ha ele hantle mafapha ana a mang kaofela ha re ne sebetsa ka neheletsano eno ka tsela e nyallanang ho ka be ho se joalo.

Joale re re ’Muso kannete re kopa hore ha re ea pele ele hore re tle re fumane melemo re kopa hore ’Muso o ne o thuse hore ho be le merero eno e nyallanang le ka linako.
Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 79 E latelang kea kholoa ke e amang le litaba tsa bophelo.

Litabeng tsa bophelo kannete ke rata hore ke mpe ke thoholetse ’Muso tabeng ena ea oncology mona moo ho nang le setsi sa kokelo ea bakuli ba mofetše.
Ke bona eka hona mono ha kea bona hantle hore na ehlile ho itsoe chelete e abetsoeng clinic ena ke e kae haholo mona moo re fumanang hore ka lebaka la boemo bona boo re nang le bona moo re sitoang ho iphepa boholo ba lintho tse kenang ka hare ho naha ka mona re bile re sa tsebe le hore na li tsoa kae ka nako e ’ngoe.

Ka nako e ’ngoe li bile li tsoa libakeng tseo u fumanang hore ha li fihlisetsoa litekong tse hlakisang hore li hantle bakeng sa Basotho hore ba li je.
Re iphumana ho na le keketseho ea lefu lena la mofetše haholo ka hare ho naha ka mona moo u fumanang bana ba rona hoseng ho hong kapa nako le nako ba fetela lipetlele mane Bloemfontein ba tsamaea ka nako e ’ngoe ho bata haholo.

Ka nako e ’ngoe motho mokuli oa hao ha khutla mono a tsoa ntho e bitsoang chemotherapy kapa radiation a chelete a lutse a kotlobane ka beseng eno.
Ke ntho e bohloko haholo e kaka hoja ntho tsa mofuta ona ho ka be ho khonoa hore li tle li etsahale ka hare ho naha ka mona ho matlafatsoe boemo bono.

Boiteko bona kannete rea bo leboha empa re kopa hore matla a ke a eketsoe a hore ho fanoe ka lichelete tsa hore ho etsoe bonnete ba hore litšebeletso tsa mofuta ono li fanoe ka hare ho naha ele hore batho a ba se ke ba iphumana ba ntse ba olosoa litseleng mona ba theoha ka borokhong ba ea kae ba kula ehlile ba kula mafu a leng boima haholo.
Ha ke feta ka lebelo, ke bone hape-hape hore at paragraph 47 re buile ka increased production of meat feela ha ho hlake hantle ka hare ho budget mohlomong Letona la Temo le tla ke le hlakise hore na ke litsela li feng tseo ho tla etsoa increase.

Jooe!

Ke kopa tšoarelo, Mohlomphehi, ho tla eketsoa production of poultry, beef and pork.

Litabeng tsa Tourism kapa litabeng tsa Machaba re hlokometse hore hape-hape ho na le merero e meholo e tlilo tla e etsoa ho aha marokho ho lokisa litsela.
Re kopa hore eke ekaka, hona litabeng tsona tseo tsela eo marokho le litsela li ahoang ka eona tseleng ea hore na…how bridges and roads are designed from the beginning ane a boele…must also anticipate disasters that may occur or even at some point in time, the nature of the topography in our country as well as the widening of dongas.

HON.

M. MATELA: Litabeng tse ling hape ka bokhutšoanyane, Mohlomphehi… HON.

PROF. N. MAHAO: Potso!

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 80 HON.


MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Potso ka Mohlomphehi Mahao.

HON.

PROF. N. MAHAO: Mohlomphehi Deputy Speaker, Setho se Khabane se ntseng se bua hantle se bua ka lentsoe design, na ho ea nehapahala ho akhela chelete ea sechaba see ho aha liemelo tsa likoloi tse senang li-design tse sa etsoang approve na?

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Tsoelapele, Mohlomphehi.

HON.

M. MATELA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.


Kea kholoa ha re sheba hore na litlhoko tsa rona ke life tsa mantlha le ho sheba hore na litaba tsa rona tsa moo re reng re leba teng ke li fe joalo feela kaha Bahlomphehi ba se ba bontšitse hore ho na le litaba tse ling tse bohlokoa joaloka litaba tsa temo tseo re reng re li behelletse ka holimo-limo.
Tumelo ea ka ke hore sechaba sa habo rona se lapileng seo bana ba rona ba sitoang ho tšela marokho ba ea likolong joalo-joalo bao mohlomong ba bang ba bona ba senang le mesebetsi hona joale, ba senang le mekhoa ea hore na ba bang ba tla khola joang moruo o ntse o putlame likhoebo li bile li oele ha ke tsebe le hore na ba tlabe ba e nka kae chelete ea ho palama libese tsena ha li se li fihlile mapatlelong ana libese tseno tse tlabe li hauoe mono tse sa rereloang.
E ne eka re ka qala ka tseo re li hlokang kapele hobane e tlare re fihla mane moo moruo o seng o holile ho lekana hore ho be le libese tse tlabe li tsamaea hangata li jere batho ba nang le chelete ea hore ba tsamaee mabenkeleng ba il’o reka lijo tseo ba tlabe ba khona hore ba li reke tseo ba neng ba sa khone ho li reka [Liatla].
Litabeng tsa likotsi tse kannang tsa etsa hore re se ke ra fihlela litaba-tabelo tsa rona tsa litaba tsa moruo ho na le makala ao e leng makala a abeloang lichelete ka lebaka la hobane haholo-holo lena la lichelete ke lona le abang lichelete empa lekala leno ha se lona le hlileng le etsang mesebetsi.

Makala a na a mang kaofela are facilitation ministries and enablers.

E ’ngoe e bohlokoa eo ke neng ke re at paragraph 147 of the Budget Speech re maemong a kotsi haholo ka report ena ESAAMLG.
Taba ena ea grey listing e etsahalletseng South Africa re kopa hore le rona re le Lesotho joalokaha re se re hlaloselitsoe hore we pack loti on the rand, ke ho bolela hore le rona re tle re se ke re tlohella ho etsa mosebetsi oa rona o toma oa hore re bone hore melao ena e re thusang hore re khone ho ho e ba le hore moruo o khone ho hola.
Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 81 Kahoo re tla tsea hore re etse bonnete ba hore melao ea mefuta ono le litsi tse alositseng mesebetsi ea mefuta eno re etse bonnete ba hore kannete re bone hore ba fuoa cheletenyana e tomanyana.

Hape ba tla tseba hore ba lebele litaba tsena e le hore batseteli le bona ba ’ne ba bone eka re sebaka se nepahetseng seo ba ka tlisang lichelete tsa bona ho sona haholo ha ba shebile hore na kaloso ea rona ea litaba tse amanang le phetisetsano ea lichelete na e eme joang.
Joale, re re ka ’nete ruri re thoholetsa ’Muso mono ha re hlokomela hore ehlile ba nkile taba ena ea report ena ea ESAAMLG.

ba e shebile ka hloko hore re etse bo ’nete ba hore ho se ke haeba le lintho tla re sitisa hore re fihlele merero ena ea rona ea naha e metle.
Litabeng tsa tsamaiso e nepahetseng (governance) ke bone hape hore Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane o buile ka litaba tsa Mohlomi Code of Corporate Governance, haholo-holo mona moo a hlalosang hore makala le li-state owned entities ba tla tlameha hore ho lumellanoe hore na litsela tsa bona tsa tšebetso ekaba li feng.
Re thoholetsa boemo bona boo Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane a buang ka bona ka lebaka la hobane kamehla le mehla ha re bontšoa hore na mekhoa e nepahetseng ea tsamaiso ke efe rona re le Basotho ha re na tsa rona re lutse ka linako tsohle re ntse re tsamaea re il’o batlana le tsa libaka tse ling.
U tla utloa ho se ho thoe motho ke King 4, King 3, King 5, ha re mo tsebe le hore na ke mang motho eno, empa rona re le Basotho re lokela ho etsa bo ’nete ba hore ha re ba le code ena ea rona e kena, tsela ena eo re tšoanetseng hore re sebetse ka eona re etse bo ’nete ba hore ebe e le eona eo e leng taba eo Basotho ba e seka-sekileng ba e shebileng ba boneng hore na ho re sebeletsang rona re le Basotho ke hofeng.
Re thoholetsa boemo bono ba hore ho tla sebetsanoa le boemo ba hore Mohlomi Code ena e etsoe hore e felelle, e fele ebe e kene ka hona ka mane ka hare ho makala le makalana ka lebaka la hobane ho na le melao e meng hape eo u fumanang hona mono litsing tsena tsa ’muso melaoana e kentseng litsi tsena tšebetsong e re litsi tsena li ikemetse, ’me ho na le tumelo ka hare ho litsi tsena tse ‘maloanyana moo e reng ha Paramente ena e re e kopa hore ba fuoe litaba kapa tlhahiso leseling kapa litokomane tse amanang le litsela tsa bona tsa tšebetso leha ba ntse ba ikarabella ho Letona le teng ka koano ka ’musong ebe o fumana hore litsi tse joalo li o isa molaong oa bona ebe ba re leha ba fumana lichelete tse ajoang ke Ntlo ena e Khabane bona Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 82 ba ke ke ba fana ka litokomane tsa mofuta ono tsa lichelete tse ajoang ke Ntlo ena e Khabane.
Ba hlalosa hore molao oa bona o re bona ba independent empa re tseba hantle hore ha ho na moo ho ka thoeng independence eno ke e bulehileng hobane le eona melao ena kaofela ha eona e ntse e hlaha ka tlaase ho molao-theo oa naha, ’me molao-theo oa naha ehlile o bontšitse hore ho na le melao eno eo u fumanang hore – kapa maemo ano ao u fumanang hore kalosong ea lichelete tsa sechaba teng o ke ke oa ema oa fihla oa re moo Paramente e kopang report ea mofuta ono ebe o re o ke ke oa fana ka eona ho ipata hore u tle u se ke ua khona ho lekoloa hore na tšebeliso ea lichelete u ne u ntse u e sebetsa ka sebopeho se feng.
Re ka leboha haholo ho bona Mohlomi Code e kena ho eba le litsela tsa tšebetso le neheletsano ea mosebetsi e khona ho etsahala ka hare ho litsi tsena.

Kea leboha, Madam Speaker [Liatla].

HON.


MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Matela, ke hlokomela hore ehlile re batla re phethetse mosebetsi, ’me re se re lokela hore joale Bahlomphehi re fe Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane la Lichelete hore a ke a ikamahanye le lipolelo, maikutlo ‘ohle a lona ao le a tekileng ho tloha maobane ho fihlela kajeno re tsebe ho tla phethela.

Tsoelapele, Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane.

HON.


DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, ke kopa hore ke tla qala ka lipotso tse hlahileng maobane.

Joale ke tle ke tsoele-pele ho tsa kajeno.

Seo ke mpang ke se hlokometse ke hore lipotso tse ling li ntse li ipheta, ’me ha ke na ho li bitsa ka Bahlomphehi hore na Mohlomphehi mang a reng.
Mohlomphehi, ntumelle hore ke tle ke arolelane le Ntlo ena e Khabane hore na budget ena re e entse ka tsela e joang hore e tle e arabe tse ling tsa lipotso tseo mohlomong li botsitsoe feela ha li kaba tsa utloahala hantle.

Taba ena e tlisoa ke hobane potso ea pele feela e ileng ea hlaha ke ea hore meralo ena ea lichelete e tšehelitsoe ke moralo o moholo oa ntlafatso oa naha oa National Strategic Development Plan 2 e entsoeng ka selemo sa 2017/18, ’me o felloang ke nako selemong sona sena.
Hoa hlahella taba ea hore moralo oo o se o le morao nakong kapa o tsofetse.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 83 Re mpe re hlalose hore joaloka ’muso o mocha o kene ka khoeli ea Pulungoana, ha rea ba le nako e lekaneng ea hore re etse moralo o mocha empa re ile ra ba le nako e ntle ea hore re shebe oona moralo oo hore na ho sebelitsoe hakae moralong ono ka lintho tseo ho neng ho reriloe hore li tle li etsoe ke ’muso ka nako ea lilemo tse hlano.
Chebong ea rona re ile ra hlokomela hore boholo ba mesebetsi eo ho neng ho itsoe e tla phethoa ha ea phethahala, ’me eona mesebetsi eo e ntse e le mesebetsi e lokelang hore e phethoe hore moruo oa rona o tle o hole.
Leha ho le joalo, ra ikeletsa hore kaha o entsoe khale ho na le lintho tse ncha tseo ka nako eo o neng o etsoa li neng li le sieo, ’me polelong ea ka ke ile ka etsa mohlala ka pheto-phetoho ea leholimo e seng e bonahala e etsahala ka sekhahla se holimo haholo le khafetsa, ’me e sa ame feela litaba tsa temo e ama le litaba tsa infrastructure.

Ka bua ka tšebeliso ea marang-rang eo ka nako eo e neng e le teng empa le eona e seng ka sekhahla sena seo re leng ho sona.
Ka bua ka COVID-19 hore ka nako e neng e le sieo mathata ao naha e neng e-na le ‘ona ka nako eno ha a sa tšoana le a ha joale.

COVID-19 e boetse e kentse a mang a macha.


Ka boela ka bua ka ntoa e ntseng e tsoela-pele mane Russia le Ukraine moo ke ileng ka bontša litlamorao tsa ntoa eo e le lintho tse ncha tseo joale re ke keng ra iphapanyetsa tsona, ’me ka hlalosa hore moralo ona o itšetlehile ka litaba tseo tse kahar’a National Strategic Development Plan 2 empa o boetse o shebile lintho tse ncha tseo joale re reng lia etsahala kapa lia hlokahala ka lebaka la lintho tse etsahetseng ho tloha nakong eo moralo oo o neng o etsoa.
Ka hare ho litaba tsena ke ile ka hlalosa hore litaba tse ka sehloohong ke taba ea ho holisa moruo, moruo oa rona o utloile bohloko haholo, ’me ho ea lokela hore re sebeletse hore moruo oa rona o tle o phahame.

Ka hlalosa hore ho na le mafapha ao ha re sheba le baheso re bonang hore esale e le mafapha a jarileng naha ka nako e telele, ’me ha ho ile ha etsahala phetoho ka hare ho mafapha ano moruo oa rona oa fetoha kapelenyana, oa hola ebile o hlahisa mesebetsi.
Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 84 Ke etsa mohlala, Mohlomphehi, ho na le nako eo industry ea rona ea li-textile e neng e etsa contribute ntho e fetang 20 percent ho GDP ea rona, ho na le nako eo construction e neng e etsa contribute close to 30 percent ho GDP ea rona, ho na le nako le se ling li-service, temo ekasitana le merafo li ile tsa fapana joalo-joalo ka linako, empa ha e le hona joale tjena re hlokomela haholo-holo taba ea hore ha re sheba mafapha ‘ohle taba ea infrastructure e utloile bohloko haholo ’me re lokela ho lokisa infrastructure hobane seo re se shebileng ke hore re holise moruo ka tsela eo Private Sector e tla nolofalloa ke ho sebetsa.
Ka boela ka bua ka hore ha re bue feela ka infrastructure e litsela le marokho le meaho, re boela re bua ka soft infrastructure, eleng melao, lisebelisoa, marang-rang le lintho tse joalo tse ka etsang hore khoebo e tsamaee kapele e le hore mosebetsi o etsahale kapelenyana.

Ka nako eo ke neng ke teka likhakanyo tsa lichelete, ke ile ka boela ka bua ka taba ea temo.

Ka re temo e ntse e le mokokotlo oa naha ea rona.


Ka hona moraong ona re bona tlala ea bojalikata, eo re bileng re bonang hore e tla nyolloa le ke ho nyoloha ha theko ea lijo lefatšeng ka bophara.

Joale re itse ho ea lokela hore temo ebe e ‘ngoe ea lintho tse ka holimolimo eo re tla tseba hore re sebetse ka eona.

Eaba ke bolela tse ling joaloka bo-bohahlauli joalo-joalo.

Ke ‘nete hore selemong sena chelete ea SACU e nyolohile haholo, it has almost doubled.
Potso e ile ea hlaha ea hore na e holisoa ke eng haholo ha meruo ea lefatše e putlame.

Le eona potso eo, ea hlaha ka hare ho litaba tsa ka tsa mohlamonene ha ke ne ke teka likhakanyo tsa lichelete.

Tsela eo SACU e sebetsang ka eona, Afrika Boroa ke eona e etsang collect statistics.

Joale e tla sheba hore na ebe lintho tseo ebang li kene ka hare ho Lesotho ke tse kae, le tse keneng linaheng tse ling selekaneng sena ke tse kae, joalo-joalo.

Ka lipalo-palo tseo ba nang le tsona, re fumane SACU e nyolohile.
Le rona re ile ra botsa potso ena, empa ra se ke ra fumana karabo e hlakileng.

Ke ile ka ba ka etsa tlhokomeliso ka hare ho Ntlo ena hore ka lebaka lona leno, re lokela hore re be hlokolosi.

Ha u sa tsebe hore ntho e tsoa hokae, e le seoaholimo, u ke ke oa itšetleha ka eona hakalo-kaalo hobane mohlomong e ke ke ea eba teng hape le kamoso.

Ka hona re lokela hore re tle re be seli hore re se itšetlehe ka eona haholo e le hore le kamoso haeba e theoha ebe re ntse re tseba hore re sebetse hantle.
Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 85 Tabeng ena ea SACU e nyolohileng, ho ile ha hlaha potso ea hore re tlil’o etsa joang ka eona.

Ke lumela hore ke potso e hlakileng haholo ka hare ho litaba tseo tsa mohla letsatsi la budget.

Le ha ho le joalo ka tla ‘ne ke e arabele ha ke ntse ke tsoela-pele.

Ho ile ha hlaha litaba hore re-current budget ea rona e nyolohile by 13% ka M2.3 billion, ‘me ka lehlakoreng le leng capital budget e theohile.
Ho ile ha hlaha litaba tsa hore taba ea ho nyolla recurrent expenditure ha se taba e ntle hoo e ka tsoelang naha molemo.

Ke lumellana le litaba tseo hore ehlile ha ho ea lokela hore joalo ka ha ke cho ke re re na le seoaholimo, ebe re tlil’o nyolla chelete ea leino ka lebaka la chelete eo re sa tsebeng le hore na etsoa hokae.

Joale ke batla hore ke mpe ke hlalose taba ena feela hore na recurrent expenditure ena e nyolloa ke eng.

Taba ea li-salary ho builoe ka eona ea 2,5 % le li-norch.
Leha ho le joalo ke kopa ho hlakisetsa Ntlo ena e Khabane hore lintho tse ngata tse oelang ka hare ho 2,3 billion ena kapa 13%, ke lintho tse thusang hore meroro ea ntlafatso e etsahale.

Ke etse mohlala, taba ea manyolo, lipeo le equipment ea teng li etsoa classify ka hare ho recurrent spending.

Joalo ka ha re bontšitse hore temo ea rona re e file chelete e ngata selemong sena, hore re tle re tsebe hore re ee mane moo re tla iphepa.

Litaba tseno li kahare ho eona recurrent spending eno.
Karolo e kholo ea eona e hona moo.

Re hlokometse hore selemong sona sena le se fetileng hore lipetlele tsa rona le litsi tsa rona tsa kokelo ha li na litlhare, le lisebelisoa.

Lisebelisoa tseo le tsona litlhare tseo, li oele hona ho recurrent spending.

Ke tse ling tse ekelitseng recurrent spending.

Re boetse re na le taba school feeding programme e sokolisitseng haholo selemong sena sa lichelete lebaka ke hore e ne e sa abeloa chelete e lekaneng.
Re entse hore re abele programme eno chelete e lekaneng ‘me le eona e oela hona ka mona.

Re na le tse ling hape tse teng ka mona tseo mohlaope motho a neng a ka nahana hore ke capital spending.

‘M’e o ile a bua ka taba ea Ha Tšosane mane moo re lahlelang toti hore e tlohe mono.

Litaba tseno li oela ka hare ho recurrent spending ha se capital spending.
Litaba tse mechini e sebelisoang lipetlele haholo-holo Queen Mamohato Memorial Hospital tse entsoeng allocate chelete li oela ka hare ho re-current expenditure hobane ke equipment ha se capital.
Ke lumela ha ke buile joalo hore ho ea utloahala Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 86 hore recurrent spending ea rona e holimo hobane e se hobane re re ke chelete hakalo- kaalo ea leino empa ke chelete e ntlafatsang maphelo ebileng e tlil’o thusa hore meroro eane ea ntlafatso e etsahale e tsoele-pele ka bobebe.

Re buile ka projects tse ‘maloa tseo.. HON.

ADV.

L. RAKUOANE: Potso!

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Potso ka Setho se Khabane Ntate Rakuoane.

HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea mo fa Mohlomphehi.


HON.

ADV.

L. RAKUOANE: Ke lebohile Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ke kopa ho botsa Letona le Khabane la Lichelete le ntseng le re tataisa hantle.

Potso ea ka e rata ho khutlela litaba tse mona tseo re reng ke factors tse holisang moruo.

Ke moo paragraph 134-135 moo Letona le Khabane le buang ka Polihali, eleng the highlands project ka boeona.

Ke bone ho entsoe quatify chelete hore ke 20 million project.
Joale as to its impact on the growth ka selemo sena kapa se tlang ha rea etsa benefit ho utloisisa taba eno.

Re bone figures hore they are very good.

20 billion hore project e kaalo ea kena.

Mokhoa oa ho suthumetsa lebili la kholo ea moruo hore feela re le utloisise, re ntse re bona hore chelete e teng empa re le batho bao re ka reng ke li-lay person ha re tsebe the percentage in terms of contribution ea hore ebe moruo oa rona oa hola.
With such ke SACU ka mona and then mere works like 20 billion project ea qala hore na what is supposed to be matla a ntho eno, ke hore ho sututsa ha eona in terms of propelling or accelerating the economic growth.

Ke eona taba eo ke batlang hore ke e utloisise.


Ka nako e ‘ngoe ho ee ho be le lipotso tse kang tseno tsa hore construction ka lebaka la taba eno e tla etsa contribute this much, agriculture is projected to do this much and then the mining, at least those are the key factors tseo motho o neng o ka rata hore feela re li etse appreciate e le hore re tle re ‘ne re li shebe ha re ntse rea pele.

Ke eona potso ea ka.

HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.


Litaba tseo ha li eo ka hare ho likhakanyo tsa lichelete.

Le ha ho le joalo ke litaba tseo re ntseng re li sebetsa Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 87 hore li tle li tle re tlil’o li rapalatsa ho tla bona hore na initiatives tsena li tla nyolla moruo ha kae.

Re iphile ka hare ho likhakanyo tseno tsa lichelete hore bonyane selemo sena ha se feela ra be re bona moruo oa rona o hotse ka 2,3 % kapa ho feta.
2.3 % ba ntseng ba aha lipalo-palo ke hona ba ntseng ba aha hore na e tla hlaha ho kae hobane ho etsahetse eng ea boleng bo bokae, mafapheng a feng.

Ke report e fapaneng eo re ka e tekang ka nako e ‘ngoe.

Ke ne ke le tabeng tsena tsa recurrent.

Mohlomphehi o ile a bua litaba tsa toantšo ea bobolu le bomenemene.

Ke Mohlomphehi Sehlabaka.

Le theko ea makoloi a sepolesa joalo-joalo.

Ke litaba tse oelang kahar’a re-current budget.


Ho ea utloaha hore 2,3 billion kapa 13% eno e nyolohileng ka eona e ea linthong tse tla re thusa hore re tle re tsebe ho hola kapa re fihlele e meng ea meoloane ea lintho tseo re reng ke likhathatso kapa litaba tse re khathatsang tseo re ratang hore ekare li ka etsahala ka hare ho naha ea rona [liatla].

Mohlomphehi, ke kopa hore ke fetele tabeng ea capital budget.

Tabeng ea capital budget ho bontšitsoe hore e theohile.

Taba eo ke ‘nete hore e theohile.


Re na le moralo oa hore e nyolohe overtime.

Capital budget ea rona e theohile ka lebaka ke lena, Mohlomphehi Makhaleng o ile a batla a e manolla.

A re ka hare ho capital budget ea rona, ntho eo re ka e hlokomelang ke hore letsoho le kentsoeng ke ‘Muso, ke hore e le chelete ea ‘Muso, le phahame by 27%, le tomanyana.

Taba eo ha rea e etsa feela.


Re e entse e le sesupo le ho bafani le ho bohle batseteli hore joale naha ea Lesotho e ikemiselitse hore e nke taolo ea kholo ea moruo oa eona.

Eseng ebe nako eohle re holisoa ke bafani, kapa ke likoloto.

E nyolohile joalo ka 27%.

Ha re shebe chelete ea bafani eo re reng ke li-grant eona e theohile haholo by 51%, more than half [Liatla].
Ho shebeng ha rona le lipuisano tsa rona le bafani ke taba ea ho se tšepe tsela eo chelete e sebelisoang ka eona naheng ea rona joalo ka ha ba bangata ba ile ba bua hore taba ea tšebeliso ea chelete e bile bohlasoa ka nako e telele.

Bafani ba bangata ba se ba khathetse ba bile ba oele moea hore ba ka fana ka lichelete tsa bona ho rona empa ba sa bone tsoelopele.
Re lokela ka hona hore re tle re qale mosebetsi ka ho bontša hore rona re nka taolo ea kholo ea naha ea rona le bona ba Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 88 tle ba tšepe hore ha ba tsetetse ho rona mona kapa ba tlisitse limpho tsa bona ho rona mona li ka sebetsoa hantle.

Tabeng ea mekoloto le eona e theohile ka 21%… HON.


MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Honourable Miniser of Finance and Development Planning, ke hlokomela ha ke sheba nako hore e se e le 4:30 ‘me sena se bolela hore re lokela ho khefutsa hanyenyane e be re tla tla tsoelapele o ntse o le on the floor.

Bahlomphehi Litho tse Khabane Ntlo e khefutsa metsotso e leshome le metso e mehlano hore re fumane tee.

Tea Break at 4:30 p.m. -4:45 p.m. HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon.


Minister of Finance and Development Planning, you were still on the floor.

Please proceed.

HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphei Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ke kopa ho qetela ka hore, tabeng ena ea recurrent budget, ke ne ke lebetse taba ea bohlokoa eo e boetseng e nka chelete e ngata mono.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Potso, Hon.

Leader of Opposition.

HON.

M. MOKHOTHU: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ke leboha Hon.

Minister ha u entse mohau ono.


Ha u sheba ho paragraph 138 of the budget speech, ho na le moo u buileng ka tsona li project tsena tsa bohlokoa tse kholohali.

Page 137 u buile ka lowlands water development project e leng taba eane ea phepelo ea metsi Botha-Bothe le Hlotse e neng e se ntse e sebetsoa.
Empa ea bohlokoa haholo eo ke ratang hore ue etse highlight ho eona pele u feta ka boikokobetso, ke eena eo ha u sheba page 138, u buang ka construction ea letamo la metsi nokeng ea Makhaleng ho fepela Mafeteng le Mohale`s Hoek, but the surplus intention e ne e le hore metsi a fetele Botswana.

U buile ka hore mono boemo bo sa le ho feasibility study.

Ho ena ea Botswana ha u ntse u etsa feasibility study ka moo ka hae, na ho se ho qaliloe lipuisano joale pakeng tsa Lesotho le Botswana?
Kappa boinahanelo ba hore lipuisano tse joalo li qale na bo teng na?

E le hore re bone li-structure li qalella ho Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 89 ba in place tse ka tsebang ho buisana le batho ba Botswana ka mokhoa o serious haholo.

Taba ena e ka ba bohlokoa, `me ea thusetsa naheng ena.

Ke batla ho tseba commitment ea `Muso hona moo, Hon Minister, hore na matla a makae tabeng ena.

Kea leboha, Hon.

Speaker.

HON.

MADAM SPEAKER: U ka tsoelapele, Hon.

Minister.

HON.
Minister.

HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Ke qale ka ho araba potso ena hore lipuisano tse joalo li qalile leha li es`o qale ka sekhahla.

Mohlomphehi Tona-Kholo o ile a tseba ho kopana le Mohlomphehi President Masisi.

Ho ile ha buisanoa ka litaba tsena tsa metsi.

Ho na le potso e ileng ea hlaha ka tlhahiso ea nama.

Le hona moo ho ile ha hlahisoa litaba tsa tlhoko ea hore Lesotho le ka tlatsetsa Botswana ka nama ea khomo.
Ho bonahala Botswana le Namibia li sitoa ho khotsofatsa tlhoko ea `maraka oa EU.

Ho s`o be teng ke li-structure tsa hore joale ho qaloe lipuisano tse mona tseo re li bitsang li-negotiation.

Empa in principle, taba e joalo e buisanoe.

Ke ne ke le mothating oo ke neng ke bolela taba ea bohlokoa eo ke neng ke e lebetse tabeng ena ea recurrent budget hore Bahlomphehi ba tla hlokomela hore ke selemo sa leshome naha ea Lesotho e ile qala hore e fane ka li-passport tsena tseo re li tšoereng le li-ID.
Li felloa ke nako, haeba re ee bone li fuoe nako ea lilemo tse leshome.

Karolo e `ngoe ea recurrent budget ena ke replacement bakeng sa batho ba ileng ba fumana litokomane tseo ka selemo sa 2013 hore joale ba tle ba fumane tse ncha selemong sona sena.

Ke ne ke se ke hlalositse taba ea capital budget hore e theohile, e nyolohile ho kae.

Taba e neng e saletse ke hore moo re tlohang teng ho tlaase haholo, Bahlomphehi, baka.
Mohlomphehi Moetapele oa HOPE o ile a bua mantsoe a bohlokoa a hore ka nako e `ngoe hore re tle re ee botleng, ho na le moo e tla re ha re ntse re tsamaea tsela ena ho senyehe teng e le molemong oa hore ho lokisoe.

Re tloha boemong bo tlaase haholo, `me sepheo sa rona ke hore re tle re eketse ha lilemo li ntse li tsamaea capital budget ea rona, re tle re fihle mohlomong moo re ka fumanang Capital Budget ea rona e etsa 50%, recurrent budget e etsa 50%.
Haeba ho ka khonahala mohlomong re ka feta le sekepele seno.

Empa ho tla re nka nakonyana.

Ke hlalose taba e ileng ea botsoa ea Cuffy Project.

Ke bolele ke hore project ena ke project ea competitiveness and financial inclusion.

Project ena e raliloe ho tla thusa Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 90 bahoebi ba rona haholo joakaha Bahlomphehi ba ile ba hlokomela, re ile ra phatlalatsa hore e tlo haha bahoebi ba rona hore ba tsebe khoebo ba be ba e utloisise.
Ka thuto le hore mohlomong ka ho ba tšoara ka matsoho (mentorship), hore ba batleloe batho ba ka ba thusang khoebong.

Rea hlokomela hore bacha ba rona boholo ba bona ha ba na mesebetsi.

Rea hlokomela hore bo-‘m’e hangata ba hloloa ho fumana mekitlane mane libankeng.

Project ena e na le component eo ka hare ho eona bacha le bo-‘m’e ba tla fuoa litsiane kapa li-grant tsa hore ba iqalle likhoebo e le hore ba tsebe ho iphilisa [Liatla].
Karolo e ‘ngoe ea eona ke karolo e holisang mosebetsi o neng o se o ntse o ile oa etsoa mane Mahobong oa temo ea lifate hore Lesotho le eketse tlhaiso ea temo ea lifate tsa litholoana, ‘me litholoana tseno re boele re eketse hore li rekisoe kantle ho naha, li re tlele le molemo.

E boetse e na le component e ‘ngoe eo ka eona e batalatsang mabala litabeng tsa access to finance hore re na le litaba tsa credit bureau, collateral registry, leasing finance e le melao e ileng ea fetisoa ke Paramente ena.
E thusa hore bahoebi ba tsebe ho fumana mekitlane habonolo mane libankeng.

Empa rea hlokomela hore ka hare ho melao eno ho na le lintho tse ling mohlomong tse lokelang hore li tle li lokisoe hore li bebofaletse bahoebi hore ba tsebe ho fumana mekitlane moo libankeng.

Project ena e tla sebetsana le taba eo hore e tle e re thuse ka taba ea access to finance.
Karolo e ‘ngoe kea ho pharalatsa tšebeliso ea marang-rang haholo libakeng tse hole moo mohlomong batho ba sitoang ho fihlela libanka kapa ba sitoang ho fihlela litšebeletsong tsa lichelete hore le bona ba hokeloe ba tle ba tsebe ho kena ka hare ho marang-rang a tsebang ho lefa, a tsebang hore ba ka lefshoa ka ‘ona, a tsebang hore ba ka fumana litšebeletso tsa lichelete, ebe mohoebi a monyenyane o tseba hore a ka tsamaea hoseng a fihla a fumana mohlomong mokitlane leha ele oa M500.00 kapa M300.00 oa ho reka stock hoseng hono ebe mantsiboea o tseba hore a lefe ho latela hore na o rekisitse hakae [liatla].
Ke Cuffy Project.

Ke boetse ke ile ka fumana potso ka beneficiation ea mining eo e hlaileng ka hare ho statement.

Ka hare ho li-mine tsa rona, liabo tsa ‘Muso oa Lesotho li tlaase haholo ke 30% haeba ha ke fose le hoja ke ile ka utloa Mohlomphehi a re 25%, ke tseba e le 30%.

Li-mine e le 70%.

Taba eno hoa utloahala hore mohlomong ha e re sebetse hantle re le naha, ‘me Mohlomphehi Leader of Opposition o ile a bontša hore taba Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 91 eo ha e re thuse haholo.
Empa joale re tšoanela ho kena lipuisanong le li-mine.

Ke hlokometse hore honajoale naha ea Botswana e lipuisanong tsa mofuta o joalo.

HON.

PROF. N. MAHAO: Potso!

HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE: Ke kopa ke qetele mona, Mohlomphehi, ke tla tla ke u fa.

HON.

PROF. N. MAHAO: U tla khutla?

HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE: Ho joalo, ke tlo u fa.


Mining beneficiation eo ho buang ka eona hona joale kea hore ho na le taba ea hore li-mine tsa rona ha li lefe ntho eo re e bitsang VAT feela li boetse ha li tlisa chelete koano li boetse li fumana rebate, ke chelete e khutlelang ho eona.

Ho tlile tlhokomelong ea rona hore molao oa khale o neng o fana ka hore li-mine ha li rekisa litaemane ebe ho ka etsoa charge ntho eo re e bitsang general service tax.
Eleng eane eo re neng re le ho eona pele re tla ho value added tax.

Ka bomalimabe ho bonahala molao oo o sa ka oa etsoa implement ka mabaka ao re sa a tsebeng.

Tsela eo re tlo qala litaba tsena tsa eona kea hore li-mine tsa rona ha li eo rekisa litaemane eba ba li rekisa ba etsa charge general service tax ho motho eo ebang o reka taemane eo, ‘me eona e tle ka lehlakoreng la ‘Muso oa Lesotho [Liatla].
Ke eona beneficiation, ke qaleho ea eona ha re ntse re tla sheba tse ling tsa hore na re e etsa joang hore e tle e fete moo.

Mohlomphehi Moetapele oa BAP o ne a kopile potso.

Ke kopa ho mo fa eona ‘M’e Motlatsi oa Speaker.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi, you may put your question.

HON.

PROF. N. MAHAO: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motlatsi oa Speaker.

Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane o ntse a re tataisa hantle.
Potso e ne e le hore na selemong se fetileng, ‘me haeba ke sa fose ha se khale haholo ho June 2022 ha molao o feta Matlong a mabeli a Paramente o etsang address precisely this issue ea beneficiation moo merafo e neng e fuoa monyetla oa hore na e siea boea terateng ka sales tax kapa ka ho etsa localise some of the processes e le hore mesebetsi e tsebe ho thehoa mona ka hare ho naha.
Na Mohlomphehi o aware ka molao oo hobane Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 92 joale ke utloa a bua ka molao oo eleng khale o fetile koana?

Empa ona o fetile Matlong ana a mabeli somewhere midterm last year.

Na Mohlomphehi o aware ka taba eo na?

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Tsoela pele, Honourable Minister of Finance.

HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Ke hlokometse molao oo, ‘me ha o e-so fete.


Ke ka hona re reng ha re ntse re emetse oo hore o fete joale ebe re sebelisa ona o teng e le ho qala process eno.

Mohlomphehi u se o buile litaba tsa bohlokoa tsa hore hona joale majoe ao a rona a bohlokoa ha’ tsoa ka hare ho naha ka mona, a tsoa e le majoe a ntseng a le row feela a sa hlatsuoa le ho hlatsuoa.
Tse ling tseo re li shebileng ho litaba tsena tsa beneficiation ke hore ho be le li-process tse etsahalang ka hare ho naha ka mona tse ka tsebang ho fa Basotho mesebetsi pele majoe ao e etsoa joale a eo rekisoa ka ntle ho naha.

Ke fetele ho taba ea physical disciple.

Tebeng ena hore na re tla e etsa joang, ke kopa ho e arolelana le lona Bahlomphehi morero oa rona le hore na re ntse re sebetsa joang hore e tle e etsahale.
Ke taba e bohlokoa empa e tebileng haholo e lokelang ho sebetsoa ka hloko hore e tle e nepahale, ‘me re bone hore hohle moo ebang litahlehelo tsa chelete ea ‘Muso li ne li ba teng, lia tloha.

Le oversite e etsoe improve hore re tle re tsebe ho bona, bo be le ponaletso ka hare ho tšebeliso ea lichelete tsa ‘Muso.

Hajoale re entse likhakanyo tsena tsa lichelete eleng li-budget.
Ho li-budget tsa rona re kopile hore Makala a re fe lintho tseo re li bitsang li-implementation plan re tsebe ho bona hore linthong tseno tseo ho thoeng li tla etsoa na li tla etsoa ka nako e fe boleleleng ba selemo sena.

Taba eno e boele e tsamaee le ntho eo re e bitsang procurement plan.

Procurement plan le eona e bontše hantle hore na lintho tse itseng li tla etsoa procure ka nko e fe.
Lebaka le leholo ke hore taba ena e tla re thusa ka mane ka lekaleng la haeso hore re tsebe ho etsa ntho eo re e bitsang cash management hantle.

Ha ho na sethabathaba sa ‘Muso se lutseng mane.

Chelete ena e kena ka likotara.

Re lokela re tsebe hantle hore na chelete ha e kena kotareng ena, ke etsa mohlala feela, ke nako ea temo ea Mariha, ‘me ha re ka fosa nako eno ha re na ho tseba hore re leme ebe re tlo kotula kapa re be le kotulo e ntle.
Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 93 Re lokela hore re etse plan litaba tsa rona hantle hore ke temo ea Mariha honajoale, ke marokho a itseng le litsela tse itseng tse tla etsoa, ke mesebetsi e itseng e tla etsoa ka kotara eno ea pele.

E le hore re tsebe ho e etsa allocate chelete ho latela litlhoko tsa makala tsa nako eno.
Le rona ebe we anticipate ka hobane re se re na le li- implemantation plan le li-procurement plan, re se re tseba hore na ho kotare e tlang ke mesebetsi efe e tla qala le e tla tsoela pele le hore na e tla hloka chelete e kae.

E le hore ho se ke ha fumanoa ho hlaha likopo tse ngata, e mong a re o kopa meriana, e mong a re libuka, a mong a kopa ho hong ka nako ena kaofela.
Ra be re tsebile hantle hore litaba tseno li tla etsahala ka nako e fe ‘me li tsebe hore le Bahlomphehi Matona ba li ise hore li etsahale ka nako eno.

Taba eno ha e le joalo e se e ntse e le performance contract ka bo eona.

Ho feta mono e re fa monyetla rona oa hore re tsebe ho ba lokisetsa e sa le nako hore lintho tseo be lokelang ho li etsa, ba li etse ka nako ba tsebe ho li etsa deliver.

Re kopile hore makala… HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Potso ka Honourable Leader of Opposition.

HON.
HON.

M. MOKHOTHU: Kea leboha, Madam Speaker, ke lebohile haholo le uena Honourable Minister of Finance.

Bo bong ba bothata ba ‘Muso oa Lesotho ke ho kolla ntsi hanong.

Ke hore budget joalokaha honajoale re lutse mona those are figures on the paper, those are projections.

Chelete ha e kena bekeng ena, bekeng e tlang u etsa finance the set project ea ‘Muso should anything e ka etsahala, e se e etsa stall programme eno ebang e neng e se e ntse e tsoelapele kapa e hopoletsoe ho tsoelapele.
Potso eaka ke hore na moralo ke ofeng, Honourable Minister, ho thusa naha ena e le ho matlafatsa boipuso ba eona and its staus as a sovereign country ka hore re ke re hahe mokhoa oa ho kenya chelete ka tsela eo etlare ha re e aba joalokaha re e aba tjena, ra be re tseba hore atleast the 50% of the money tse lulang e le likhakanyo mona tsona li se li ntse li le teng to finance this projects.
E seng ntho ena eo u tla fumana ‘Muso o bothateng boo Financial Controller le ba bang ba se ba ntse ba aba-aba lipakeng mona hore na khoeling ena ha e fela ha e le mona letsatsing lena e le li-10, ebe li-25 re tla tseba ho lefa bahlanka.

Li-project tse itseng lia emisoa ha re lefeng bahlanka, ha re qeta ho ba lefa, ae ha re etseng li- Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 94 project tse ling ka libeke tse peli ra be re se re ntse re lokisa meputso.
Ke bona ntho eno e etsa ‘Muso hore ebe ntho e tsamaisehang ka thata haholo ‘me ke bone taba eno as a Former Minister for His Majesty of this Government.

Kahona ke e beha ho Ntlo ena e Khabane ka Letona le Khabane hore na ebe ntho eo ke moralo ofeng oo re ka tlang le oona ho thusa naha ena hore e se ke ea ba ntho e kollang ntsi hanong.

Kea leboha, Honourable Speaker [Liatla].

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Honourable Minister of Finance.

HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.


Ke kopa ho arabela Mohlomphehi empa ke mo arabele partly ka hobane karabelo ea potso ena e tla tla ha ke ntse ke ea pele, o tla utloa hore na re ea hokae.

Moralo ona o re isa hona mono, Mohlomphehi, moo re tsebang hore re etse focused hore na ka quarter le quarter re hloka chelete e kae.

Ebe re tseba hore re etse guide Makala, le ‘ona a etse procurement ka nako.
Moralo ona o tsamaea le hore joale re tle re tl’o sheba melaoana ea rona e tsamaisang tšebeliso ea chelete hore le eona e loke e tsamaee ka tsela eona eo le li-system tsa rona li tsamaee ka tsela eona eo.

Kahare ho budget ea rona le hoja ke utloile li- contradiction tse ngata, tse ling li hlaha kea kholoa ho uena, Mohlomphehi, ka hlompho, u ntšoarele.

Tsa hore re na le surplus, re entse budgeted for surplus feela ka ‘nqena ho na le lintho tse itseng tse sa fuoang chelete.
Taba eo ea surplus ke e hlalositse kahare ho Budget Speech hore re lokela hona joale ho haha letlole le tla re thusa hore ebe re na le chelete e teng ea merero ea ntlafatso, ka le bitsa Stabilisation and Development Fund.

Hore surplus eno ke chelete eo ka eona joale re tla ba le letlole le joalo ‘me le tsamaisoang ka molao le melaoana hore na e sebelisoa ha ho le joang, le sebelisoa linthong tse joang, e etsoa approve ke mang [Liatla].
Linaheng tse ling e etsoa approve ke Paramente, ke hore ‘Muso o ke keng oa itšebelisetsa eona feela.

Taba eno e tla re thusa hore ebe re na le letlole la mofuta o joalo ‘me re lokela hore re le qale hanyane-hanyane.

Ke re, Mohlomphehi, litabeng tseo re ileng ra bua ka tsona tse kang tsona tseno tsa hore re na le surplus ka ‘nqena feela re na le litlhopho ka ‘nqena.

Ruri-ruri ha re se re ea bothong ba rona ke le motho, e mong le e mong.
Ha u fumana chelete ha khoeli e fela, ha u nke chelete kaofela ua e sebelisa nthong e ‘ngoe le e ‘ngoe.

U ntse u na le maikutlo a hore ke lokela hore ke siee-siee e ‘ngoe hobane ntlo ekanna ea fefooa Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 95 kapa ngoana a kula, kapa hoa ba le eng, borokho ba khaooa, lintho tseo re li boneng matsatsing ana.
Taba eno e se e ntse e bua le ka taba eane ea disaster risk financing eo re reng joale re lokela ho e beha tšebetsong hore re ba le mokhoa oa ho itšireletsa against disasters tseo re li bonang… HON.

ADV.

L. RAKUOANE: U re beha tsietsing feela ka ho iketsa protect le ho etsa guide le ha re rata… HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE: Mohlomphehi, ke lumela hore ke arabile potso ea hau, ke tsoelepele [Liatla].
Ke ne ke mpa ke bontša feela hore ho budget ena ea selemong sena re entse budget lintho tse tla etsoa ka selemo sa 2023/2024 feela ka lebaka la hobane re baleha taba eane ea hore ebe re entse budget kapa Ntlo ena e Khabane e re fa chelete ebe ha e qeta ho re fa chelete ha re il’o etsa tsona lintho tsane tseo re li buileng ka mona hore li il’o etsoa.

Joale re il’o lefa lintho tse ling tsa nako e fetileng koana tseo mohlomong re neng re sa li tsebe.
Litaba tseno re li behelletse kathoko hore le tsona haeba ha re ntse re hlahloba mane moo ke itseng re ntse re hlahloba lintho tsa rona hore na li authentic, li nepahetse hore li ka lefshsoa, joale li tle li lefshoe kathoko, li se ke be tsa lefshoa ka budget ena [Liatla].

Boikemisetso ba rona ke ho etsa limit li-virement ka tsela e thata hore ntho eo ho thoeng virement e se ke be ea etsahala habonolo e le hore re tsebe hore re be le financial discipline.
Re rata hore re hle re e bontše mona hore, ntho eo re lekang ho tsamaella ho eona ke ntho eo re e bitsang Counter Ciplical Fiscal Policy.

Ke kopa ke e hlalose ka hore, ho na le linako tseo u tla fumana hore moruo o’a hola, chelete ea kena, ho na le nako tseo moruo o theohang.

Ke hore ha u ka sheba meruo ea lefatše kaofela ke tsela e joalo.
Joale tsela eo rona re ileng ra tloaela ho sebetsa ka eona hae mona kea hore nakong eo ebang moruo o’a phahama chelete eba teng re nka chelete eno re il’o e sebelisa kaofela, re etsa mala-maholo.

Re e sebelisa kaofela ebe joale re lebetse hore nako eane ea tla ea ho theoha.

Nako eno ha e tla ea ho theoha joale re ba tsietsing ekang ena eo re leng ho eona hona joale.
Joale ntho e teng eo re lokelang hore re e sebelise, eo re lekang ho ea ho eona hona joale tjene, ke hore nakong eo ho bang le ho phaha-phahama hono, ke nako eo re Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 96 bolokang, re behang tse ling kathoko hobane re lebeletse hore ho tla tla ho theoha [Liatla le Lerata].

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng.

HON.

M. S. LEHATA: Kea leboha, Honourable Deputy Speaker.
Ke ne ke re ka uena, ‘M’e, ho tle ho uena hore Paramenteng mona ha ho na metsi.

Joale u’a utloa re tsietsing e kae ha metsi a le sieo for Members.

Joale hangata practice ke hore ho tla koaloa re tle re tle ha metsi a le teng hobane joale re sitoa ho ea ka ho li-bath room.

Joale ke koluoa taba eno.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng.

Ntlha ea hau ea tsamaiso e bohlokoa haholo ‘me ke hlokomelisoa hore ehlile administration e ile ea bona boemo bona.
Ba ntse ba leka ka matla ho sebetsana le bona.

Re se ke ra khathatseha, Bahlomphehi, e ntse e sebetsoa.

Thank you.

Honourable Minister, please proceed.

HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, mohlomphehi… HON.

M. MATELA: Ke ne ke na le potso, Mohlomphehi.

HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea u fa, ‘M’e.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Potso ka Mohlomphehi Matela.

HON.

M. MATELA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane, kea leboha, Madam Speaker.
Potso eaka feela ho Letona le Khabane kea hore, ke utloile eka o re Makala a tlil’o fana ka li-operational plan le li-procuremetn plan.
Joale ke ntse ke ipotsa feela hore na litabeng tsane tseo re reng ho na le nelehetsano, na ke taba eo ba e etsang ‘moho e intergrated kapa ba e etsa ka tsela eo ea dogs dinner moo u fumanang hore neng-neng ke rice re akhela ka sejaneng, ke kae, ha re il’o fa phoofolo re tsoaka feela ebe re fihla re re mosebetsi ke oo, kapa ebe re e etsa ka sebopeho see sa hore taba ena eo re ntseng re e bua ea intergrated planning na ehlile ke hobane re re li operational tsa bona ha ho na tsela e consolidated eo re e etsang ka eona moo re e etsang ‘moho ka tsela ea hore operational plan ea lekala lena e bue le ena haholo ana a amanang ka mesebetsi ea ‘ona.
Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 97 HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Tsoelapele, Letona le Khabane.

HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Ke potso ea bohlokoa eno.

Mohlomphehi, tsela eo re e etsang ka eona ke e intergrated joalokaha re entse eona budget ena.

Ho na le potso kea kholoa e ileng ea hlaha ea hore na ha re re re tla hlahisa haholo ka agriculture, re tla be re e entse eng e fapaneng hobane ho ntse ho na le ma-block ‘me ke lintho tse tloaelehileng.
Ha re etsa budget re entse budget ka tsela eo re reng haeba Letona la Temo le rerile ho hlahisa poone e kana kapa ho hlahisa linaoa tse kana ka nako e itseng, ebe o tla sebetsa le mafapha ‘ohle.

Re bone hore mafapha ‘ohle a lokelang ho mofa support hore a etse joalo a tla mofa eona.

Ke etsa mohlala, o tla sebetsa le Letona la Puso ea Libaka hore masimo a etsoe agrigate, ho buue le sechaba hore masimo a etsoa agregate, ho lengoa libaka tseno e leng libaka tse kholo tse ka hlahisang haholo.
O tla sebetsa le Letona la….ke etse mohlala, la Works, le eena a bone hore haeba ke litsela tse kholo tse tšoanetseng hore li il’o mo fihlisa sebakeng seo, a bone hore sebaka seo sea fihleha.

Haeba Letona la Natural Resources le lokela ho bona hore metsi a teng sebakeng se joalo haeba ke irrigated agriculture, ebe kaofela lintho tseo li teng ka mono.
Le ho li plan, implementations plan mono re bone hore li etsoa ka nako eo li tla tseba hore li l’o thusa Letona la Temo hore le hlahise ka tsela eno e nepahetseng, ke hona moo re eang teng[Liatla].

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Potso ka Honourable Member for Mekaling.

HON.

T. LEKITLA: Kea leboha, Honourable Speaker.

Letona le Khabane le ronngoeng ke sechaba le ntse le bua hantle litaba tsa sechaba.
Ke mpa ke re ke botse feela hore re se re tseba joale hore ha ho etsoa budget ho sebelisoa the top-down approach le bottom-up approach e leng tsona tseo esale li sebelisoa lilemong tse ngata tse fetileng.

Tse neng li tsoalletse naha ena hore ebe the same budget e ne e etsoa hamonate hakana ebe ha e bone letsatsi.

Ebe uena, Mohlomphehi, u tlil’o etsa joang ho etsetsa the same approach li-policy tse tla etsa hore budget ena eo u ntseng u e etsa hamonate hakana e bone letsatsi?
Ke lumela hore tse ling tsa li-project tse behileng naha ena hore e se ke ea tsoelapele li tenne li kena kahare ho strategy seno ke hobane ho se na li-policy, mohlala, li- Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 98 parachute project tse kang tsona tsa bo-Palace.

Joale ke re na u tlil’o etsa joang hore budget ena eo u ntseng u e bua hamonate hakana eo re bonang eka e se e ntse e thusa Baostho, u tlil’o etsa joang hore e fele e bone letsatsi.

Kea leboha.

HON.
Kea leboha.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Tsoelapele, Honourable Minister.

HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Ke mpa ke tl’o sitoa ho arabele Mohlomphehi hobane ke kopa hore a mpe a hlalose tabaea drop down le bottom up ka tsela eo ke tla e utloisisa le parachute ke tle ke tsebe ho mo arabela.

Kea leboha.
Kea leboha.

Ke mpe ke re, Mohlomphehi, ho hlahile litaba tsa mokhoa oa ho theola wage bill, ho hlahile maikutlo a mangata a hore na ha se ka ho fokotsa bahlanka kapa ha se ka ho re ba khahlapetsoe kapa lintho tse ling tse ngata.

Ke re ho Ntlo ena, Bahlomphehi, ’Muso oona o na le Matona a leshome le metsoe e mehlano ha re balella Mohlomphehi Tona-Kholo.

Mohlomphehi, u fumana ho e na le Makala a mashome a mabeli a metso e supileng.
Taba ena e bolela hore Makaleng a kopantsoeng, ke etsa mohlala feela haebe lekala le leng le le leng lena le finance lena le head finance, head legal, head planning, joalo-joalo.

Taba e teng ke ea hore ka lebaka la kopano eno joale Makala a joalo a iphumana a na le li-position tseno li le joalo.

Moo ho kopantsoeng Makala a mararo hona le head legal tse tharo.

Re lokela ho inahana ka botebo hore re re boemo bo joalo bo tloheloe ho sebetsoe joang?
Ke mpa ke re fela hobane ho hlahile maikutlo a mangata joale ha ke batle ho e arabela.

Ke bontša… HON.

M. S. LEHATA: Point of Order!

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Point of Order, Mohlomphehi, Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng.

HON.

M. S. LEHATA: Kea leboha Mohlomphehi.

Minister u ntse a bua hantle Honourable Deputy Speaker, empa Standing Order No.
40 1(b) ha se mo fe tokelo ea hore e be o ntse a eme hore a bue.E baleha tjena:- “One Minister or Member (other than the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition) speaking in reply to the mover, who may not exceed one hour.

The Speaker may grant this privilege to one other Member of the opposition parties on a Government Bill or motion”.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 99 HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Standing Order No.
Standing Order No.

40 (b) se bua moo Mohlomphehi Letona a arabelang tšitšinyo eo e seng ea hae.

Ha tšitšinyo e le teng tjena a ntse a tsoela-pele a bua ho eona ehlile ha hona time limit.

Se tla laoloa ke lipotso tsa lona bahlomphehi le tsela eo ena a etsang wrap-up ka eona.

Thank you!

HON.
Thank you!

HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha Mohlomphehi, ke mpa ke bontša fela ha ke fane ka karabelo tabeng eo habane ho hlahile maikutlo a mangata empa ke bontša fela hore taba eo ka bo eona e bolela hore ho tlameha hore ho shejoe bocha bo lokisoe hore Makala a tle a lekane mosebetsi le matsoho a teng e be matsoho a tla sebetsa ao a lekanoeng ke mosebetsi.

Litaba tsa hore na litaba tseo li tla etsahala ka sebopeho se joang ke kopa hore ke se ke ka kena ho eona kea Letona le Khabane la bosebetsi.
Ke se ke buile ka litaba tsa disaster risk financing strategy eo re ntseng re etsa eo ka hare ho eona re nang le sethaba-thaba sane se re nang le sona sa fund.

Re boetse rena le monyetla oo re itlhokometseng hore li-institution tse ka reng World Bank li na le mokhoa oo li seng li o behile hore li naha li ka kena li-insurance tsa mofuta o itseng, mohlomong tse etsang insure infrastructure le lintho tse ling joalo-joalo ka tsela e bobebe.

Re sa ntsane re li hlahloba re tla li sheba.


Hona le taba ea ntlafatso ea small micro-medium enterprises ‘me tseo ke seng ke li hlalositsi hore li kenelletse ka hare ho CAFI project ka mane.

Taba ea lihala-hala ehlile ha ea sebetsahala hantle, ha e ea raleea hantle, hae sebetse hantle.

Ke moralo oo re lumelang hore o ka tseba ho thusa sechaba ha o raluoe hantle.
Taba ena re ntse re lutse fatše re shebisana hore na project ena kapa user print ship project e etsoa re infrastructure ka tsela e joang ka tsela eo e tla tseba ho tsoela molemo naha esita le basebelisi ba eona hobane ka ha le bolela hore ke chelete e ntseng etsoa fela ka nqane ha hona production.

Ka nako e`ngoe le batho ha bana supervision hore ba bonoe mesebetsing.

Re sale mosebetsing oa hore re tle re hahe bocha empa re kopela hore e ’ne e tsoelapele.

Re na le litaba tsa li petlele tse….

HON.


MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Potso ka Honourable Leader of the Opposition.

HON.

M. MOKHOTHU: Kea leboha, Honourable Speaker.

Potso ea ka ka boikokobetso bo boholo ke hore na ka uena honourable Speaker taba ena ea lihala- Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 100 hala Litho tse Khabane li buile ka eona ka matla a maholo ho bontša hore it was also misplaced to be housed in the Ministry of Finance by then.
Ha e le moo re ka tsoela- pele fela na u tla e etsa re-infrastructure joang le hore na are you still going to continue housing it within the ministry of finance kapo e tla ea to the relevant ministry, na?

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Tsoela-pele Honourable Minister.

HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE: Mohlomphehi, ke kopa hore ha Morena Molimo a ntse a re hauhetse ka bophelo hosane ke tlabe ke fana ka presentation tsa litaba tsa lekala la Finance e tle mpe e oele mono e tle e arabelehe mono.
Ho boetse ho hlahile taba, Mohlomphehi, ea lipetlele tsa CHAL.

Tabeng ena, Mohlomphehi, re hlokometse hore report e bontšitse li sa etsoa Fund.

Ke kopa hore ke kholise Ntlo ena hore litsi tsa bophelo tsa CHAL they will be fully funded, they are provided for in the budget.

Ke se ke buile ka taba ea surplus le hore na surplus ena e reretsoe ho etsa joang ke molemong oa rona le bana ba rona ba kamoso.
Litaba tsa allowances tsa matichere hardship allowances ke kopa le tsona li tle li arabelehe ka presentation ea Letona la thuto.

Ke tle hanyane ka taba NMDS le li-scholarship.

Bahlomphehi, ena ke taba eo re lokelang ho e shebisana ka hloko re le naha.

NMDS ke setsi sa rona seo ka nako e telele se ileng sa tseba hore se fe bana ba rona ba Basotho monyetla oa hore bae likolong tse phahameng.
NMDS e allocated for budget joaloka ha e ne e ntse e le allocated for budget lilemo tse ling le tse ling empa budget ea NMDS e bonahala e phahama ka sekhahla se seholo haholo, feta 1 billion ha re bua tjena.

Seo re se hlokometseng ke taba ea hore bana ba ea sekolong ba khutla empa ha ba fumane mosebetsi joale e be ha ba tsebe ho patala ho ba chelete ena e tšoanetse e be ke chelete e etsang revolve e ntse e khutla joale e tsebe ho re e thuse ba bang.
Taba ena e re baketse bothata bo boholo ba hore joale ’Muso ka nqane ena o ntso o fana ka chelete fela e sa khutleseng letho hobane joale ha ba sebetse.

Re mothating oo re ntseng re sheba hore na NMDS e ka etsoa re-instructure ka tsela e joang.

Ke rata hore ke re ho lona ke le qholotse ka hore, Bahlomphehi, baka naha ea rona e hloka li tsebo lintho tse itseng ho feta tse itseng.
NMDS e ea leka hore ka nako e ngoe e khethe hore na ke lithuto li feng mohlomong tse ka fuoang lihlapiso ke li feng Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 101 tse kekeng tsa fuoa lihlapiso.

Lithuto tse fuoang lihlapiso kapa tse fuoeng lihlapiso ka nako e telele re hlokomela hore ba li entseng ke bona bana ba bangata kantle ka mona ba sa fumane mesebetsi.
Ke itse re inahanele eona re le batho ha ke fane ka karabo hore na ho oa lokela hore e be re ntse re ntša chelete fela re sa bona hore…Hake etse mohlala - Batho ba entseng African Languages re sponsor African languages.

Bana ba ea sekolong ba khutla ba khutla Roma bana le Degree tsa African languages kapa humanities e be ba fihla ba lula hae.

Ha hona mesebetsi.

Le ha o se o e batla hore na hothoe ho hiroa kae.

Motho oa African Languages o hiroa kae kapa oa adult education ho thoe o hiroa hokae.
Taba eo re bontšang eona ke ea hore The market is flooded/oversubscribed ka lithuto tsa mofuta o joalo.

Taba ea NMDS ke hore we are investing in human capital ke investment e worthy but human capital ena ke e nepahetseng sebakeng sa litlhoko tsa naha ena na, ke taba ea pele.

Taba ea bobeli, ke taba e ileng ea boleloa hore taba ena ea means-testing e lokela ho kena tšebetsong ka pele-pele.
Ke mona moo ke itseng re ntse re leka ho lokisa maano ka pelenyana hore re etse reinstructure NMDS hore na ka ’nete-nete re le ka mona re tseba hore hona le seo re se fumanang ha khoeli e fela re tla batla hore bana ba rona e be bona ba kenang ka NMDS ka mola ebe joale bana ba hlokang hloki-hloki ke bona ba setseng kantle ka mola hobane ho sena batho ba ba buelellang.

Re lokela hore re shebe hore na taba ena re e sebetsa joang.
Taba ea boraro, ke taba ea hore na re itukisetse hore li-institution tsa rona rena le bona bana bao e leng ba ileng ba rutoa ke NMDS ba patetseng le ba sa patalang.

Re lokela hore bao basa patalang ba lefe mekoloto eo ea bona ho tsebe ho tla thusoa ba bang ba tsebe ho imolla ’muso.
Li-institution tsa ’muso li ngata ke li-parastatal ke oona ’muso ka kotloloho ke private sector moo re reng ho bonolo hore batho bana ba ka fumanoa ba tseba hore ba patale e le hore chelete ena e kene ka mane e tsebe hore e thuse ba bang ba hlokang hloki-hloki.

Re ntse re lokisa litaba tsena re ile ra kopana le Letona la thuto le baithuti le Matichere.

Re ntse re lokisa hore re tla tla ka hore na e sebetsoe ka tsela e joang.

Mohlomphehi, Moetapele oa BAP, ke kopa ke o fe sebaka sa potso.

HON.
HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Honourable Mahao, you have the floor to pose your question.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 102 HON.

PROF. N. MAHAO: Kea leboha, Madam Deputy Speaker.

Ke lebohe Mohlomphehi Letona, kannete o ntse a li tšoere hantle.

Potso ea ka ke hore e se ka ba joale re na le bothata ba always re-deciding the wheel Lesotho mona.
Ka lilemo tsa bo 2018-2017, somewhere there, Lekala la Mohlomphehi Letona le ile la etsa appoint consultants tseo ke hopolang e ka tse ling tsa tsona li ne li hlaha naheng ea Tanzania, ho tla thusa ho hlopha NMDS bocha, with the view of making it a parastatal e tle e tsebe hore e ikemele e tsebe le ho sebetsa le the Business community and other stakeholders molemong oa ho bokella mokotla ona so that ha se fela chelete tse tsoang from the Consolidated fund tse thusang litabeng tsa lihlapiso.
Potso ke hore na Mohlomphehi Letona o tseba ka boithuto bono bo neng bo entsoe ke Lekala la hae, le hore na e be ha e le mona e le hona ekang o qala process eno qalong ke hobane a sa khotsofala ke likhothaletso tse neng li entsoe ke bao, bao e neng e bile ba patetsoe ka lichelete tsa sechaba hore ba etse mosebetsi ono na?

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Tsoelapele, Honourable Minister.

HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

ke kopa ho arabela litaba tsena ka hore, ke tseba ka mosebetsi ono.
Joalokaha Mohlomphehi a bolela, mosebetsi oo o entsoe lilengoaneng tse fetileng.

Ka bomalimabe bo boholo, mosebetsi ono ha o ka ba oa etsoa implement ka mabaka ao ke sa a tsebeng.

Ha se hore re lahla mosebetsi oo re ntse re u sebelisa.

Empa ntho eo re e hlokometseng ke ea hore, society ea rona le litlhoko tsa naha ea rona li dynamic.
U ka etsa mosebetsi selemong sena oa re ho hlokahala skills tse itseng le tse itseng, three years down the line ea ba ho hlaile ntho e ncha eo ho seng ho hlokahala tse itseng.

Ka hona mosebetsi oo re ntseng re o etsa ehlile o kenyelelitse report eo kahare le hoja re tlameha ho etsa liphetoho kae kae ho latela hore nako e ile ea feta.

Ke tsoelepele, Mohlomphehi, ke bue ka litaba tsa likoloto tsa bahoebi.
Likoloto tsa bahoebi, Mohlomphehi ke likoloto tse ntseng li pataloa hona joale ha ke bua le uena, leha Setho se Khabane sa ‘Makhoroana a tlile ka litaba tsa Hansard ehlile litaba tseo tsa Hansard ebile kea leboha Mohlomphehi o ile a tla le tsona ehlile li joalo.

Li re the plan ke hore ha selemo sena sa lichelete se fela ra be re patetse.

Potso e ile ea ba ea hlaha ka e bua ka Sesotho ka re, ke re morero ke hore ho be tjena, e seng hore ho tla ba tjena.
Ke kopa taba eo e utloisisoe ha ke bua ke khetha mantsoe a ka haholo, Mohlomphehi.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 103 Ke tsoelepele ka subventions tsa institutions tsa rona tse kang NUL, hore li ka sebetsa mohlomong le Agric le Communications ka tsela e joalo hore re tsebe ho fumana hore na mohlomong microchip e ka be e sa etsoa ka har’a naha ka mona.

Ke ntlha e ntle eno.


Ehlile re lokela ho sebetsa le tsona, Mohlomphehi, hobane bohlale bo teng ka har’a rona, ka har’a bana ba rona, ka har’a litsi tsa rona tsa thuto boo re lokelang hore re bo nke.

Mohlomphehi o ne a ile a bua, kea kholoa ke letsatsi la maoba ha a ne a re taba ea demographic dividend ha a e bone.

‘Na ke re ke ntse ke e bona e le teng ho mpang ho le teng ke hore ha re ea e etsa exploit ka nako ‘me re lokela hore re e etse exploit re se ke ra fetoa ke monyetla ono.
Bahlomphehi ba ka, le tla lumellana le ‘na hore taba ea free high school education boemong boo re ntseng re le ho bona ba lichelete e tla ba boima haholo hona joale.

Ke ka lebaka leo re sa e kenyanang ka har’a meralo ena.

Hona le litaba tse ileng tsa hlaha ka litaba tsa planning hore na monitoring and evaluation e etsoe officing ea Mohlomphehi Tona Kholo kapa e etsoe Lekaleng la Planning and Finance.
Ke batla hore taba ena e kapele ho li-reforms, ke taba e ntseng e tšohloa kamono hore ho tle ho tsebe ho tsebahala hantle hore na hantle re le Lesotho re nka tsela efeng.

Li-reform tse joalo re tla utloa ha re se re mamela Makala hore lintho tse ling li entsoe budgeted for hore nako eo reforms li felang haeba ho thoe hoba le planning commission e be e tseba hore re e entse e lo qala.
Mohlomphehi, kea kholoa ke ne ke se ke arabile taba ea hao ea non-sustainability ea lihalahala ka bua ka hore li tla lokisoa.

Hona le litaba tsa maoto a mararo a puso eo u ileng oa e bua le hoja ke sa ka ka e utloa hantle hore Judiciary e etsetsoe budget ke ‘Muso, joale ea ka ekare u re tsena tse ling li ikemetse.

Ha nka ba ka utloa hantle ke kopa ke e tlohele re tla e bua re le babeli, Mohlomphehi, kea leboha.

HON.

M. MOKHOTHU: Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Honourable Speaker!

HON.
HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Honourbale Leader of Opposition.

HON.

M. MOKHOTHU: Minister eena o ntse a bua hantle empa phoso e etsahalang eo ke emang ka eona ke hore they should speak through you.

Ho na le nako eo ba etsang dialogue.

O qalile ntho eno ka Setho se Khabane sa ‘Makhoroana, le ‘na o la Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 104 bua le na directly, a feta o ho Professor mane.
Re tlameha re ‘ne re ee through you Madam speaker e le hore ba tle se ke ba thuana e le bona ba ba ba tšepisana hore na eng e tla ba neng.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mohlomphehi Leader of opposition ehlile your Point of Order stands hobane hoa nepahala Bahlomphehi ba ‘ne ba fetise litaba, Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane u ntse u bua le Setulo u ntse u sa bue le Litho tse Khabane directly.

Tsoelapele, Honourable Minister.

HON.


DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi, ke bile ke kopa tšoarelo ka phoso eo.

Mohlomphehi Moetapele oa SR leha ke bona eka o se a le sieo o ne a ile a hlaisa litaba tse ling tsa hore re le naha re lokela ho inahana hore na re ile ra fosa hokae hore e be re fihla mona moo re leng hona teng.

O buile ka boitšoaro ba sechaba, a bua ka taba ea boikarabello, ho nka boikarabello (accountability) hore ke ntho ea bohlokoa.

Taba eo… HON.

M. SENAUOANE (PR): Potso!

HON.


MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Potso ka Mohlomphehi Senauoane.

HON.

M. SENAUOANE: Kea leboha, Madam Speaker.

Ke mametse Letona le Khabane a bua taba ea bohlokoa fela a e hoalotsa tjena fela e le taba e kholo, a bua ka free secondary education.

A re e bohlokoa fela ha ba bone e ka e tla etsahala fela ke utloa a sa teba tebe hanyane.

Ntle leha eba e tla boetse e buisanoa hape.


Hore na o hlokometse hore taba eo ea free secondary education e se e ile ea thakholoa ka November, 2021 ke ‘Muso oa Lesotho ka thuso ea European Union mola Lesotho Avani Hotel na?

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Pele u arabela, Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane, ke mpe ke arabele mona.

Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng o ile a ema ka ntlha ea tsamaiso mabapi le tlhokahalo ea metsi.

Ke mpa ke le tsebisa fela hore the problem has been resolved.

Ke taba ea pele.
Ke taba ea pele.

Ea bobeli, Bahlomphehi, ke hlokomela Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane le Bahlomphehi ba bang e se e le makhetlo a mangata re ntse re etsa refer to other Members of the House ka boemo ba bona ba liparty tsa lipolotiki.

Ha ho nepahala Setho se Khabane ka mona o bitsoa ka boemo ba hae moo ebang ke Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane o bitsoa ka Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 105 Lebatooa la hae kapa ka lebitso la hae.

Ke kopa re mpe re tsitseng hona moo fela, Bahlomphehi.

Kea leboha.
Kea leboha.

Tsoelapele Honourable Minister.

HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi, ka tataiso eo.

Ke tsoelepele ka hore litaba tsena tsa ho thakholoa hoa free secondary education kannete ha kena leseli la tsona.

Empa leha Mohlomphehi a re ke tsoele pele ka tsona tjena kea kholoa ke ne ke hlalositse hore ho latela boemo ba naha ba lichelete ha re bone e le ntho e ka khonehang hona joale.

Ke tsoelepele hore Mohlomphehi litaba tse ling e ile ea ba lithoholetso.
Litaba tsa hore Judiciary, police, Prisons le DCEO li sebetse ‘moho ke litaba tseo ke seng ke li hlalositse hore re entse integrated planning ha re etsa budget ena.

Ke mpe ke arabe fela tse saletseng tsa.... ke kopa tšoarelo hanyane, Mohlomphehi, ke tle ke tsebe ho li tšoara kaofela.

Hona le litaba tse ileng tsa botsoa hore na SACU e nyolohile hobaneng.

Ke nahana re se re ile ra li arabela.


Re buile ka litaba tsa temo empa hona le tlhahiso e neng e re temo eo ebe temo eo le metseng mane ea teng e le hore le sehoahi se senyane hakalo se ithekela manyolo ka kiribae.

Ha re na le bothata le taba eno empa re tla tla re utloa merero ea, Mohlomphehi Letona, ‘me ke ne ke se ke e hlalositse hanyane hore seo re se shebileng ke temo e kholo e tla hlahisa haholo ho feta temo e nyane.
Hona le karoloana ea chelete e etselitsoeng temo e nyane ea malapeng ea hore re nne re fumane nutrition re fumane lijo tsa boleng malapeng.

Ho ile hoa buuoa ka taba ea motlakase hore kajeno lona lena kapa haufinyane mane South Africa ho bonahala hona le bothata ba motlakase boo ho bileng ho ntse hona le mefere-fere, ‘me re folofele leraba ka hore re itlhahisetse motlakase oa rona.

Litaba tseo re ea li ananela ‘me li tla hlahella le tsona presentation ea Letona la Lihloelileng.
Ke lumellana le litaba tse ileng tsa boleloa hore hona le linaha tseo li ileng tsa mohlomong li sena letho eseng joaloka rona tjena ke ea kholoa naha ea Ireland ke mohlala oa naha eo e ileng ea etsa export skill labour hore ebe kajano e mona moo e leng teng.

Remittances e leng chelete ena eo re reng e tlang koano e tla ho rona e hlaha ho bana ba bo rona ba sebetsang kantle ho naha e ntse e le chelete ea bohlokoa e phahamisang maphelo a rona ka koano.

Ho teng kea kholoa ke hore etsa formalize.


Kea kholoa Letona la rona la Machabeng le lona le tla tla le buoa ka eona joaloka ha re buile ka diaspora hore ho etsa formalize agreement le linaha tseo re nang le setsoalle le tsona hore na mohlomong moo e bang ba ka ba le khaello ea li-skill tseo Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 106 e bang rona rena le tsona ka bongata ke ho kae, ‘me re tle re tsebe hore re etse litumellano.
Ke kopa ke fetele tabeng ea hore taba ea Malabo declaration le boitlamo ba African Union Commission ba hore mebuso ea Afrika e fane ka 10 % ea budget ho agriculture ke taba eo re e tsebang re bileng re e tseng hloko.

Libui tse ngata li bontsitse hore selemong sena ba bona Lekala la rona la Temo le fuoe chelete e ngata.

Taba ena e etsahlala ka bona boikeletso ba hore re lokela hore re ee hona moo re tla tseba ho iphepa.

Ha re sheba selemong sena budget ea rona ea temo 4.5% kapa 4.6% ea GDP.
Tebello ke hore re tla nyoloha mohlomong re be re ilo fihla ho eona 10% eno ka mor`a nako e sa feliseng pelo.

Litabeng tsena tsa levy ea tobacco and alcohol ke ea hore re fetisitse molao ka koano, Bahlomphehi, joale re ea tseba hore likhoebo tsena ke likhoebo tseo mohlomong ehlile li kenyang chelete ea li-dividend.
Seo ke ratang ho le tsebisa sona ke hore dividends tse hlahang khoebong ea rona ea mothahamane li `nyane haholo ha li bapisoa le chelete eo ‘Muso o e sebelisang ho oka ka mane ka Health, mafu le likotsi tse tlisoang ke tsebeliso ea tai.

Tai ke sethethefatsi ka bomali-mabe re sa etsoeng regulate ho lekana joalo ka lithethefatsi tsena tse ling.

Molao oo ehlile re o fetisitseng re utloisisa hantle hore na re etsang le ha re ka ba ra fumana tsona li-dividend tseno li feletse, ra se ke ra theola ka 1%.
Dividends tseno ha li etse le kotare ea chelete e eang ka mane ka Health e ilo oka litlamorao tsa tai.

Ke kopa hore ke fetele litabeng tsa quality of education moo ke ileng ka hlalosa hanyane hore re ne re se ntse re kopana le likolo le Mohlomphehi Letona la Thuto, hore re arolelane le bona litaba tsena hore na thuto ea rona mohlomong e ke e shebe moo re reng naha ea bo rona ena le likhahello teng.
Mohlomphehi Letona, a mpolella hore o na le kopano le mooka mafelong a khoeli ena le likolo hore ba ilo lokisa litaba tsena tse amanang le thuto e leng curriculum e tlamehang hore e re thuse.

HON.

T. MOKHOSI: Potso!

HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE: Ke, Ntate, Mohlomphehi, kea mo fa.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Potso ka, Honorable Mokhosi.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 107 HON.

T. MOKHOSI: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.


Ke na le potso kannete e tsoenyang haholo ea hore boholo ba nako re bua ka hore re ba tla thuto ea rona e sekamele ho araba litlhoko tsa rona tsa hajoale, empa ‘nete e salang ho fihlela hona joale ha re ea etsa demonstrate taba eno ha o nka hore ho se ntse ho ena le mafapha a thuto ao hantle Basotho banang le li-skill tseno tse hlokoang feela re sa lisebelise, ke batla ho supa tabeng tsa ICT.
Ho fihlela kajeno re ntse re ba tla li-system tse hlang kantle re batla li-consultant, re patala li-contract tse ture tse hlahang kantle feela Lesotho mona li-institution tsena kaofela rena le batho ba rutang, rena le ba rutehileng, re na le bantse ba rutoa, rena le ba tsamaeang seterateng ha re li sebelise.

Hau ka nka IFMIS e le mohlala feela u ka fumana chelete e tsabehang hampe e sebelisoang mono e ka etsang create mesebetsi Lesotho mona.
Joale potso eaka ke hore na ha re sitoa ho etsa demonstrate nthoena lefapheng le le leng what is the point, ‘M’e Minister, ea ho batla ho pharalla feela re sitoa ho sebelisa ena eo re se ntse re na le eona naa?

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Tsoelapele, Honourable Minister.

HON.
HON.

DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi, ‘me ke lumellana le, Mohlomphehi, ka taba eo ea hore mafapheng a mang kannete rena le litsebo tse ngata tse teng tse ntseng li tsamaea kantle ka mona, empa re hloloa ho li sebelisa kapa ha re li sebelise kapa ha re batle ho li sebelisa.

Ke bomali-mabe taba eno, Ntate, hore e be ha re sebelise bana ba Basotho banang le litsebo tsa mofuta o joalo hore ba ka tseba ho li sebelisa ka hona kahare ho naha ea rona ka mona.
Taba eno ke ea kholoa re lokela re eme ka maoto re e khaleme haholo.

Ha u choo tjena u nhopotsa hore, Mohlomphehi, o ile a bua ka litlamatlama tsa rona tsa meriana tseo ke hopolang hore le tsona ke tse tsoanetseng hore li sebelisoe hore li tsebe ho etsa meria ‘me Lesotho le tseba ho nkela taba eno holimo.

Mohlomphehi Letona la Khoebo, o tla tla a bua ka taba eo … Mohlomphehi, ke kopa ho qetela ke tla u fa.

Ke se ntse ke qetela.


Mohlomphehi, ke kopa ho fera litaba tsaka ka hore ruri litaba tsa rona li tla tla li hahella ha Makala a etsa presents litaba tsa tsona.

Litaba tsa hore mohlala taba ea chelete ea Referendum le li-reform kea kholoa li ile tsa hlaha ho, Mohlomphehi Matela, litaba tsa marokho le litsela le tsela eo li hauoang ka eona hore e be e etsang Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 108 anticipate kapa e lebellang hore ho ka ba le maholiotsoana kapa disasters tse ka etsahalang.
Ke lebohe, Mohlomphehi, hore o hlahisitse taba ea bohlokoa ea ntho eo re e bitsang Samlag e leng East and Sourthen African Anti Money Launderin Group.

Naha ea rona e tsietsing haholo ka lebaka la hobane e bonahala re le naha e sa iqobeleng melao ea machaba tabeng ea tsebeliso ea chelete haholo kamohelo le tsebeliso ea chelete ka bomenemene.
Chelete e hlatsuoang, chelete e kenang ka ha re ho naha mohlomong e tlo tla e sebelisoa ho etsa lintho tse seng molaong le chelete e ngata e tsamaeang kantle ka mona eo e`ngoe e fumanoeng ka bobolu kapa ka ho rekisa lithethefatse.

Haufinayene ka khoeli ena ea Phulungoane re ile ra fumana moifo koano o tlo re hlahloba, ‘me moifo ono o ile oa hla oa bontsa hore litaba tsa rona ha li tsamae hantle.

Bahlomphehi baka, naha ea bohaelani ea Afrika Borwa e fumane kahlolo ea nthoe eo re e bitsang grey list.
Ha u le grey listing u nkuoa u le naha eseng safe eo le bo ramatsete kapa ba tseteli ba lokelang hore ba itlhokomele ho eona.

Ka mor`a hore ho hlahe statement seo sa hore South Africa e tlas`a grey list re bone botseteli bo bongata bo tsoa chelete e ngata e tsoa ka hare ho South Africa.

Rena le tsietse ea hore eona Afrika Borwa eno ke eona eo e leng mohaelani oa rona a le mong tu!

Ke ena eo lichelete tsa rona re ka ba naha kapa ka bongoe li lulang hona teng.
Boleng ba ranta bo ea theoha ka lebaka la taba eno.

Taba eno e se ntse e re bontsa tahlehelo e kholo.

Haeba le rona re tla fumana boemo ba fumata o joalo re tlo ba tsietsing e kholo.

Tsietsi e kholo ke ea hore ha o beuoe listing eno ho ba thata le hore u ka tseba le ho romella chelete linaheng tse ling.
Re na le boemeli ba linaha kantle ho Lesotho moo re romelang lichelete teng e ka ba tsa li-salary kapa merero e itseng e etsahalang moo, ‘me taba ena e tlo re beha tsietsing e kholo ea hore na re etsa joang kapa re sebetsa ka tsela e joang.

Re lokela ho sebetsa ka thata hore re emise litaba tsena re li thibele.
Haeba ke melao e lokelang ho fetisoa, e fetisoe kapelenyana empa e se ke be ea fetisoa feela hobane molao e ka ba molao, eaba pampiri e ntle mono, ha feela re sa etse lintho tse nepahetseng, ehile re tla ba le bothata.

Ho tloaelehile hore Lesotho mona ebe motho a ka fuoa chelate e le cash a reka setša kapa a reka koloi.

Chelete eo ho sa tsejoeng hore na o e nkile kae, o e fumane joang.
Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 109 Ha ho shejoa hore na o khola bokae, u fumana hore chelete eo a e kholang e tlase haholo le boleng boo a fanang ka bona.

Taba eo, e re beile tsietsing e kholo.

Bahlomphehi, ho na le Mohlomphehi e mong a ileng a bua taba eno ea hore taba ena ke eo ke neng ke tla lakatsa hore re tle re se ke ra e tšeha hobane ha e fihla mona re tl’o itšoara hloohong kaofela.

Re tla e utloa, le ka matlung a lona.


Haeba re ke ke ra sebetsa ka thata hore taba eno e fele, kannete re na le tsietsi e kholo.

Mohlomphehi, ke kopa hore ke mpe ke fere litaba tsa ka ka hore ke re ho Report e fanoeng ke Molula-Setulo oa Economic Cluster, re hlokometse liphoso tse ngata, tsa moo ho kopuoang hore chelete e ka fokotsoa libakeng tse ling, ea etsoa reallocate ea ea libakeng tse ling kapa ha nyolloa kae kae, kapa ha fetoloa ka tsela eo mohlomong Likomiti li neng li bona kateng.
Ke rata ho hlokomelisa Ntlo ena hore taba eo ha e ea lokela ho etsahala, e ka thoko ho molao.

Likomiti ha hona le moo li nang le litaba teng, li ka etsa li- recommendation empa li-recommendation tseno ho latela Constitution Section 112 le ho latela Standing Orders 71 (4), ha hoa lumelleha hore ho ka etsoa reallocate lichelete ke mang kapa mang ntle le Letona la Lichelete.

Le moo ho fokotsoang, ho ka fokotsoa feela haeba ho fokotsoa feela ho ke ke ha etsoa reallocate, ke Letona le ka etsang taba eo.
Ke kopa hore ke hlokomelise Ntlo ena e Khabane hore lehoja maobane, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, a ile a hloloa ho re a re fe monyetla oa ho hlahisa litaba tsena, ke mpe ke li lokise, li tle li lokisoe, re tle re tsebe ho tsoela pele hantle re sa tlole molao.

Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi [Liatla].

HON, MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Point of order, Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng.

HON.

M. S. LEHATA: Kea leboha, Honourable Deputy Speaker.
Ke ne ke re, re lokise mona moo Minister a buang ka Constitution and the Standing Orders concerning the budget hore Likomiti li ka khothaletsa.

Khothaletso ea tsona ha e tlame, but rona as the House, re na le matla a ho fokotsa budget eseng ho nyolla.

Re bile re na le matla a hore re bue le uena hore fokotsa mona, re bona eka tlhokahala ho sechaba e mane, matla a hao, if you are willing to, you will do that.

If you are not willing u ke be oa nyolla feela ho fokotsa kapa ho hlakola, re na le matla.
Ha se tlolo Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 110 ea molao.

Ke ne ke re e hlake for the record hore Likomiti can recommend hore mona re bona eka ho ka fokotsoa hoa nyolloa kae kae.

It is just that ha se tlolo ea molao, Letona le itse ke tlolo ea molao.

Ke re ha se eona, ehlile re ntse re na le room eno to propose.

HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng.

Ke utloa point of order ea hao.


Ke utloile eka Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane ha a kena tabeng ena ehlile o lumellane le uena hantle ka seo u ntseng u se bua, a re hlokomelisa feela hore na Ntlo e na le li- limitation li feng, e na le matla hokae, moo e ka etsang recommend ke eena e le Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane a ka etsang kapa a kenya li-recommendation tseo tšebetsong.
Ka hona ke utloa eka u e beile e le point of order feela e ne ehlile e le tlatsetso, Mohlomphehi, ka tsela eo u beileng maikutlo ho tšoana hantle feela le Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane.

Bahlomphehi, ke hlokomela hore nako ea rona e se e re hatile haholo.

Ha re sheba re na le metsotso e robong feela pele e ba 6:30, eleng nako e beiloeng, eo re ileng ra e kopela hore Ntlo e sebetse ho fihlela nako eo.
Leha ke hlokometse hore Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane, ehlile o ne a phethela, ke ne ke hlokomela hore ekare ho na le Bahlomphehi ba ntseng ba na le taba eo ba ka khahloang hore a e arabe.

Empa leha ho le joalo, ke re kannete, Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane o lekile ka mekhoa eohle ho arabela lipotso tse ngata, kea utloa ke tsa maobane tse ling, ke tsa kajeno, a hlakisetsa Ntlo e Khabane hore na morero kapa likarabo mabapi le liqholotso tse tekiloeng ke Litho tse Khabane, na ke li feng.
O entse mosebetsi o tsoileng matsoho.

Ke hlokometse o lekile ho fa Litho kaofela monyetla oa hore li botse leha a ne a li emisa mona le mane hore a qetele ntlha ea hae.

Bahlomphehi, ka hona ke tl’o khothaletsa hore lipotso tseo ebang re ntse re na le tsona, re tle re mpe re fete ka tsona, li tle li arabeloe specifically mokhahlelong o hlahlamang oo e tla be e le oa Committee of Supply, joale re se re ea lekala ka lekala.

Mona moo a leng teng, ehlile o arabela ka mokhoa o general litaba tsa budget.
Ka hona, ha lea koalloa, Bahlomphehi hore lipotso tseo tsa lona li tle li arabeloe ke Bahlomphehi Matona ka ho fapana ha ’moho le eena Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane nakong eo a tekang litaba tsa Lekala la Lichelete le Meralo.

Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 111 Question put and agreed to Resolved That this Honourable House gives general approval to the financial proposals contained in the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year, 2023/2024.

HON.
HON.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Litho tse Khabane, ha re le mona nakong ea 6:30 p.m. re ke ke ra tsoelapele ho ea ka lethathamo la Business eo re neng re e reretsoe kajeno hobane ehlile ha e na ho re fa justice ho kena ka hare ho the next item.

Kahona Ntlo e tla phomotsoa ho hofihlela hosane ka hora ea borobong hoseng (9:00 a.m.).

ADJOURNMENT Thereupon Honourable Madam Deputy Speaker adjourned the House without question put, pursuant to Standing Order No.

16 (4).
16 (4).

The House accordingly adjourned at 18:30 p.m. Hansard: Tuesday,21stth March 2023 Page 112