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37 Monday 11th March, 1963 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) OFFICIAL REPORT CONTENTS ANNOUNCEMENTS BY Mr SPEAKER: Leave of Absence for the Honourable Dato' Suleiman bin Dato' Haji Abdul Rahman, P.M.N., and the Honourable Enche' Hussein bin Mohd.

Noordin, A.M.N., P.J.K.


[Col. 3899] Detention of the Honourable Enche' Ahmad Boestamam (Setapak) [Col. 3899] MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE [Col. 3900] ASSENT TO BILLS [Col. 3902] ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 3902] ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE—STANDING ORDER 18 (1): Detention of the Honourable Enche' Ahmad Boestamam (Setapak) [Col. 3907] BILLS PRESENTED [Col. 3909] BILLS: The National Language Bill [Col. 3910] The Merdeka Stadium Corporation Bill [Col. 3916] MOTIONS: The Development (Supplementary) (No.
3) Estimates, 1962 [Col. 3922] The Customs Duties (Amendment) Order, 1963 [Col. 3925] The Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.

2) Order, 1963 [Col. 3926] The Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.

3) Order, 1963 [Col. 3928] The Employees Provident Fund First Schedule (Amendment) Order, 1963 [Col. 3931] Persekutuan Tanah Melayu Menjalankan Ikhtiar2 yang Aman dan Damai di- dalam Perhubongan2-nya dengan Negara Tetangga [Col. 3933] DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, A .

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N ., PENCHETAK KERAJAAN PERSEKUTUAN TANAH MELAYU 1963 FEDERATION OF MALAYA DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) Official Report Fourth Session of the First Dewan Ra'ayat Monday, 11th March 1963 The House met at Ten o'clock a.m.

PRESENT: The Honourable Mr Speaker, DATO' HAJI MOHAMED NOAH BIN OMAR, S.P.M.J., D.P.M.B., P.I.S., J.P. the Prime Minister, Minister of External Affairs and Minister of Information and Broadcasting, Y.T.M.

TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M.

(Kuala Kedah).
(Kuala Kedah).

the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence and Minister of Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N.

(Pekan).

the Minister of Internal Security and Minister of the Interior, DATO' DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAH ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N.

(Johor Timor).

the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' TAN SIEW SIN, J.P. (Melaka Tengah).

the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, DATO' V. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N.

(Sungai Siput).
(Sungai Siput).

the Minister of Transport, DATO' HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N.

(Pontian Utara).

the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, ENCHE' MOHAMED KHIR JOHARI (Kedah Tengah).

the Minister of Labour and Social Welfare, ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah).

the Minister of Health, ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB (Kuantan).

the Minister of Education, TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT ALI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang).
the Assistant Minister of the Interior, ENCHE' CHEAH THEAM SWEE (Bukit Bintang).

the Assistant Minister of Labour, ENCHE' V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P J .

K. (Klang).

the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara).

the Assistant Minister of Information and Broadcasting, ENCHE' MOHAMED ISMAIL BIN MOHAMED YUSOF (Jerai).

ENCHE' ABDUL AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Kuala Langat).

»» 3895 11 MARCH 1963 3896 The Honourable ENCHE' ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N.
(Melaka Utara).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAUF BIN A. RAHMAN, P.J.K.

(Krian Laut).

„ ENCHE' ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSSIN (Lipis).

ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN OSMAN (Sungai Patani).

TOH MUDA HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI ABDUL RAOF (Kuala Kangsar).

TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD.

SALLEH, A.M.N., P.I.S.

(Segamat Utara).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kota Bharu Hilir).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N.

(Muar Utara).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN MOHAMED SHAH, S.MJ.

(Johor Bahru Barat).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAAID (Seberang Utara).


ENCHE' AHMAD BIN HAJI YUSOF, PJ.K.

(Krian Darat).

TUAN HAJI AZAHARI BIN HAJI IBRAHIM (Kubang Pasu Barat).

ENCHE' AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam).

DR BURHANUDDIN BIN MOHD.

NOOR (Besut).

ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N.

(Kluang Selatan).

ENCHE' CHAN SIANG SUN (Bentong).

ENCHE' CHAN SWEE HO (Ulu Kinta).

ENCHE' CHAN YOON ONN (Kampar).

ENCHE' CHIN SEE YIN (Seremban Timor).

ENCHE' V. DAVID (Bungsar).

DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N.

(Jitra-Padang Terap).


ENCHE' GEH CHONG KEAT (Penang Utara).

ENCHE' HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N.

(Kapar).

ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD.

YUNUS, A.M.N.

(Kulim Utara).

ENCHE' HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Baling).

ENCHE' HARUN BIN PILUS (Trengganu Tengah).

TUAN HAJI HASAN ADLI BIN HAJI ARSHAD (Kuala Trengganu Utara).

ENCHE' HASSAN BIN MANSOR (Melaka Selatan).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN T O' MUDA HASSAN (Raub).

TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN (Kota Bharu Hulu).
ENCHE' IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah).

ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan).

ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN HAJI KASSIM (Kuala Trengganu Selatan).

ENCHE' KANG KOCK SENG (Batu Pahat).

ENCHE' K. KARAM SINGH (Damansara).

CHE' KHADIJAH BINTI MOHD.

SIDEK (Dungun).

ENCHE' KHONG KOK YAT (Batu Gajah).

ENCHE' LEE SAN CHOON (Kluang Utara).

ENCHE' LEE SECK FUN (Tanjong Malim).

3897 11 MARCH 1963 3898 The Honourable ENCHE' LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N.

(Sepang).

ENCHE' LIM JOO KONG, J.P. (Alor Star).


ENCHE' L IM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat).

ENCHE' L IU YOONG PENG (Rawang).

ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson).

ENCHE' MOHAMED BIN UJANG (Jelebu-Jempol).

ENCHE' MOHAMED ABBAS BIN AHMAD (Hilir Perak).

ENCHE' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA (Pasir Puteh).

ENCHE' MOHAMED NOR BIN MOHD.

DAHAN (Ulu Perak).

DATO' MOHAMED HANIFAH BIN HAJI ABDUL GHANI, P.J.K.

(Pasir Mas Hulu).

ENCHE' MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N.

(Temerioh).
(Temerioh).

TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Pedis Selatan).

NIK MAN BIN N IK MOHAMED (Pasir Mas Hilir).

ENCHE' NG ANN TECK (Batu).

ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Perlis Utara).

ENCHE' QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Barat).

TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD.

SAID (Rembau-Tampin).

ENCHE' SEAH TENG NGIAB (Muar Pantai).

ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh).

ENCHE' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM (Menglembu).

TUAN SYED ESA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S.

(Batu Pahat Dalam).
(Batu Pahat Dalam).

TUAN SYED HASHIM BIN SYED AJAM, A.M.N., P J .

K. (Sabak Bernam).

TUAN SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, J.M.N.

(Johore Tenggara).

ENCHE' TAJUDIN BIN A L I, P J .

K. (Larut Utara).

ENCHE' TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan).

ENCHE' TAN PHOCK K IN (Tanjong).

ENCHE' TAN TYE CHEK (Kulim-Bandar Bahru).

TENGKU BESAR INDERA RAJA IBNI AL-MARHUM SULTAN IBRAHIM, D.K., P.M.N.

(Ulu Kelantan).

ENCHE' TOO JOON HING (Telok Anson).

ENCHE' V. VEERAPPEN (Seberang Selatan).


WAN SULAIMAN BIN WAN TAM, P J .

K. (Kota Star Selatan).

WAN YAHYA BIN HAJI WAN MOHAMED (Kemaman).

ENCHE' YAHYA BIN HAJI AHMAD (Bagan Datoh).

ENCHE' YEOH TAT BENG (Bruas).

ENCHE' YONG WOO MING (Sitiawan).

PUAN HAJJAH ZAIN BINTI SULAIMAN, J.M.N., P.I.S.

(Pontian Selatan).

TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD.

TAIB (Langat).

ENCHE' ZULKIFLEE BIN MUHAMMAD (Bachok).


3899 11 MARCH 1963 3900 ABSENT: The Honourable the Minister without Portfolio, DATO' SULEIMAN BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N.

(Muar Selatan).

the Minister without Portfolio, DATO' ONG YOKE LIN, P.M.N.

(Ulu Selangor).

the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan).

ENCHE' AHMAD BOESTAMAM (Setapak).

TUAN HAJI HASSAN BIN HAJI AHMAD (Tumpat).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN MOHD.

NOORDIN, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Parit).


ENCHE' MOHAMED DAHARI BIN HAJI MOHD.

A LI (Kuala Selangor).

ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Tanah Merah).

ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka).

DATO' TEOH CHZE CHONG, D.P.MJ., J.P. (Segamat Selatan).

WAN MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI A LI (Kelantan Hilir).

PRAYERS 27 haribulan February, 1963.


Saya bachakan: (Mr Speaker in the Chair} "Sir, ANNOUNCEMENTS BY MR SPEAKER Leave of Absence for the Honourable Dato' Suleiman bin Dato' Haji Abdul Rahman, P.M.N., and the Honourable Enche' Hussein bin Mohd.

Noordin, A.M.N., PJ.K.


Mr Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, saya hendak mema'alumkan kapada Majlis ini bahawa mengikut kuat- kuasa yang di-beri kapada saya di- dalam satu usul dalam Majlis ini yang telah di-luluskan pada 25 haribulan April, 1961 saya telah membenarkan chuti kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat: The Honourable Dato' Suleiman bin Dato' Haji Abdul Rahman, P.M.N., from 1st May to 31st December, 1963.

The Honourable Enche' Hussein bin Mohd.


Noordin, A.M.N., P.J.K., for six months with effect from 28th November, 1962.
Detention of the Honourable Enche' Ahmad Boestamam (Setapak) Mr Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, saya telah menerima sa-puchok surat daripada Yang Berhormat Menteri Keselamatan Dalam Negeri bertarikh I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Enche' Ahmad Boestamam, Member of Parliament for the Federal Constituency of Setapak, was arrested by the Royal Federation of Malaya Police on the 13th February, 1963, and is now being detained under the provisions of Section 73 of the Internal Security Act, 1960.
I shall address you further in regard to the question of his deten tion or otherwise when the Govern ment has made a decision.

I have the honour to be Sir, Your obedient Servant, (Sgd) ISMAIL RAHMAN."
MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE Mr Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, saya hendak mema'alomkan ia-itu saya telah menerima suatu perutusan yang bertarikh 28hb Disember, 1962, dari pada Yang di-Pertua Dewan Negara berkenaan dengan perkara2 yang ter- tentu yang telah di-hantar oleh Majlis ini minta di-persetujukan oleh Dewan 3901 11 MARCH 1963 3902 Negara.

Sekarang saya jemput Setia- Usaha Majlis supaya membachakan perutusan itu kapada Majlis ini.
(The Clerk reads the Message) "Mr Speaker, to for titles, replacement The Senate has agreed the disposal of in the following Bills, without amendments: A Bill to provide for the intro duction of a system of registration of title to land in the State of Penang and Malacca, for the issue of the assimilation of such system to the provisions of the National Land Code, and for matters incidental thereto.
A Bill to make provisions for the dissolution of the Rubber Industry (Anti-Inflationary Cess) Board, the payment of claims made to the Rubber Industry (Anti-Infla tionary Cess) Fund Ordinance, 1956, and the monies remaining the Fund after the payments of such claims and for matters connected there with.

A Bill to make further provision for the choosing of assessors in trials under section 3 (2) of the Kidnapping Act, 1961.

A Bill to amend the Post Office Ordinance, 1947.


A Bill to amend the Advocates and Solicitors Ordinance, 1947.

A Bill to consolidate and amend the law relating to fisheries and to make provisions for matters incidental thereto.

to amend A Bill Procedure Codes.

A Bill to apply a sum out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year 1963 and to appropriate that sum and such other sums as have been authorised to be issued for the service of that year.
A Bill to provide for the regula tion of insurance business in the Federation, and for other purposes relating to or connected with insurance.

the Criminal (Sgd) ABDUL RAHMAN BIN MOHD.

YASIN.

President'' ASSENT TO BILLS Mr Speaker: Honourable Members, I wish to inform the House that His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong has assented the following Bills which were passed recently by both Houses of Parliament: to The Insurance Bill, 1963.

The National Land Code (Penang and Malacca Titles) Bill, 1963.
The Supply Bill, 1963.

The Rubber Industry (Anti-Infla tionary Cess) Fund (Winding Up) Bill, 1963.

The Kidnapping Bill, 1963.

The Post Office (Amendment) Bill, 1963.

The Advocates (Amendment) Bill, 1963.

The Fisheries Bill, 1963.

The Criminal Procedure Codes (Amendment) Bill, 1963.

Solicitors and ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS CONVERSION OF DAILY-RATED WAGE INTO MONTHLY WAGE 1.
Enche' V. David asks the Prime Minister if he will consider offering thirty times the present daily wage as monthly wage daily-rated for workers.

the The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, the effect of the conversion of the daily-rated wage to the monthly rate of pay, which has already been agreed to, is an increase by a day in the computation of the workers' monthly salaries, and it works out at 27 times the daily rate instead of 26 times.
Then added to that are the benefits which the workers will get in the form of housing, medical and leave; there are also additional benefits which will give them more holidays and overtime allowances if they work on these days.

In effect, they will work for 312 days a year and will be paid for 324 days.

Therefore, in the circum stances, the Government does not see any reason for offering thirty times their present rate of daily pay.
services them 3903 11 MARCH 1963 3904 Enche' V. David: Sir, in view of the workers losing their regular overtime, would the Government reconsider its stand to compensate them by offering thirty days.

In a way it will also increase their standard of living, which is one of the objects of the Government itself.

The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, that is a very difficult question for me to answer off-hand.
I will certainly look into the matter and find out all its implications before I can come out with a reply in this House of Parliament.

TANGGA GAJI GURU2 MELAYU DI-SEKOLAH KEBANGSAAN YANG TIDAK MASOK "UNIFIED SALARY SCHEME" 2.

Enche' Abdul Razak bin Haji Hussin bertanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran ada-kah beliau sedar bahawa guru2 Melayu di-Sekolah2 Kebangsaan yang tidak masok "Unified Salary Scheme" tangga gaji tidak puas hati dengan jika ya, ada-kah di- sekarang, dan timbangkan gaji sekarang.
di-ubah tangga ada-lah Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan bin Haji Sakhawat Ali Khan: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sedar tentang ada-nya perasaan tidak puas hati atas soal gaji di-kalangan Guru2 Melayu Kerajaan.

Harus-lah di-ketahui bahawa perkara ini perkhidmatan perkara maka tidak-lah dapat hal ini di-per- timbangkan bersendirian sahaja dengan membelakangkan dari- pada chabang2 perkhidmatan awam yang lain.

Sunggoh pun bagitu Kemen- sedang menimbangkan terian guru2 permintaan bagi menyemak tangga gaji mereka itu.
permintaan2 saya PEMBATALAN BAYARAN UNTOK PEPEREKSAAN MASOK SEKOLAH MENENGAH 3.

Enche' Abdul Razak bin Haji Hussin bertanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran ada-kah Kementerian Pelajaran akan membatalkan bayaran untok Peperek- saan Masok Sekolah Menengah sa- bagaimana yang di-chadangkan dalam Penyata Aminuddin Baki.
Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan bin Haji Sakhawat Ali Khan: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pehak Kementerian saya pada ketika ini belum-lah lagi ber- chadang untok menghapuskan baya ran pepereksaan masok ka-Sekolah Menengah oleh sebab pembayaran itu selebeh2-nya ada-lah hanya berupa satu sebab daripada beberapa sebab yang menghalang sa-bahagian daripada murid2 memasoki pepereksaan terse- but.
Kementerian saya hanya akan menimbangkan penghapusan bayaran itu apabila terbukti dengan jelas-nya yang bayaran itu sahaja-lah yang men- jadi penghalang kapada murid2 me masoki pepereksaan itu.

Enche' V. Veerappen (Seberang Selatan): Sir, would the Government at least consider assisting those pupils who find hardship in paying the fees?

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan bin Haji Sakhawat Ali Khan: The Govern ment will consider that.

IV OF ENTRANCE TO FORM QUALIFIED PRIVATE STUDENTS 4.
Enche' V. Veerappen asks the Minister of Education to state whether, in view of the fact that pupils who go through Remove classes are permitted to enter Form Four at the age of 17, those pupils who unfortunately could not find places in Remove classes and who had to go through private schools, to enter Form could be permitted Four if they are also under the age of 17 and have gained a promotion in the Lower Certificate of Education Examination.
have gone Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Mr Speaker, Sir, pupils in private schools under the age of 17, and who would normally the Remove classes, would be considered for admission to Form IV on the merits of each case and subject to existing vacancies, if they have attained a pro motion pass in the Lower Certificate of Education Examination.
through Enche' V. Veerappen: Mr Speaker, Sir, would the Honourable Minister tell us whether he is aware that, when applications were made to the Chief Education Officer, Penang, the cases 3905 11 MARCH 1963 3906 were rejected when pupils possess the correct qualifications and are of the correct age?

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: If the Honourable Member will write to me, I will make an investigation.

Enche' V. Veerappen: Would the Minister deny that I had already written to his Ministry?
In fact, I wrote to him about a month ago and I still have not got a reply, and the children con cerned are still not in school.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: I have said, Sir, that I will look into the matter.

PURCHASE OF SCHOOL TEXT BOOKS—RELIEF FOR POOR PARENTS the 5.

Enche V. Veerappen asks Minister of Education to state whether he is aware that considerable hardship is caused in purchasing school textbooks, and whether he would take any steps to relieve poor parents at least of this heavy burden.
to parents Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Mr Speaker, Sir, I am aware that there is some hardship caused to certain parents textbooks.

At in purchasing school present pupils in National Primary Schools, or Sekolah2 Kebangsaan, are being supplied with certain basic text books, but additional assistance cannot be considered at present.
My Ministry is now giving consideration to find ways and means to alleviate any hard ship that may be caused by constant changes of textbooks as practised by some schools at present, and also in regard to the question of pupils having to purchase the whole year's textbooks at the beginning of the first term of the school year.
Enche' V. Veerappen: Would the Minister also consider the question of pupils who are being forced to buy more textbooks than are required, and in many cases where the textbooks are not used at all, even at the completion of the whole year.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Sir, I have mentioned just now that the whole question of textbooks is being considered, and that point will also be considered.
Enche' V. David (Bungsar): Mr Speaker, Sir, is the Minister aware that a large number of students have been sent back home for not purchasing textbooks in time, and will the Minister assure this House that such an incident will not happen again?

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: If the Honourable Member will commu nicate with the Ministry I will look into the matter.
Enche' Geh Chong Keat (Penang Utara): Mr Speaker, Sir, may I ask the Minister of Education to control the list of books and publishers accepted by the Ministry of Education through the Chief Education Officer?

Some of the textbooks were found to have the same titles but the publishers are different, with the result that just because a few pages or paragraphs were changed the whole textbook would have the parents are faced with the financial problem of buying new books.
to be changed, and thus Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Sir, the whole question of is being considered and I am going into these matters this matter fully.

All raised will be taken into consideration.

textbooks recommendation Enche' V. Veerappen: Sir, could the Minister tell us whether he is aware of the Razak the Report of 1956, where it was recom mended that block grants should be given to schools to help needy pupils to buy that recommendation not implemented?

textbooks.
textbooks.

Why was in Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Sir, it is not possible to implement this recommendation because of financial reason.

Enche' V. David: Mr Speaker, Sir, it has been said on several occasions in this House that large amounts of money have been spent for the purpose of education, and it is most amazing to hear the Minister say that due to financial reason the implementation of this recommendation cannot be made.
Sir, we have a large number of students being sent home and being deprived completely of education; so, I would 3907 11 MARCH 1963 3908 call upon the Minister to say whether he would assure this House that he would investigate into the difficulties posed by this question of education and to appoint a committee with broad terms of reference to look into the matter, if necessary.
that Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Sir, I have mentioned the whole question of textbooks is being gone into and I do not consider that a the committee Ministry of Education is capable of tackling this problem.

is necessary, because Enche' V. David: Sir, I do not accept that.

I find that there is one Education Officer in Selangor who does not know what he is doing.

There have been criticisms in the Press regarding the posting of students to various schools.

He has made a mess of the whole thing.


Mr Speaker: That is not a question.

It is a statement.

that ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE—STANDING ORDER 18 (1) (Detention of the Honourable Enche9 Ahmad Boestamam) Enche' K. Karam Singh (Damansara): Mr Speaker, Sir, I now rise to move a motion the House be now adjourned under Standing Order 18 (1) to discuss a matter of definite, urgent public importance.
Mr Speaker, Sir, I have already given you notice to this effect, and the definite matter of urgent in my importance as stated public notice the to you Internal Security Act in forcibly pre venting an Honourable Member of this House, the Member for Setapak, from attending this session of Parliament.

the abuse of is Mr Speaker, Sir, I will now go on to show to this House why this House should be adjourned.
Mr Speaker: At this stage you are only allowed to ask my permission as to whether is applicable or not.

You can give your reasons only on moving the motion.

Now, do you want to give reasons why it is urgent?

the Standing Order Enche9 K. Karam Singh: Yes, I want to give my reasons why it is urgent.

Mr Speaker: Not a long one.

Enche9 K. Karam Singh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I will do my best to convince you the motion to move why {Laughter).
I want Mr Speaker: I have to warn you that if it is granted you will have every chance to go into details.

At this stage only ask my permission to apply for the adjournment of the House.
Enche9 K. Karam Singh: Mr Speaker, Sir, we find that for the first time in the history of this country an elected representative has been forcibly put into detention without any trial, and as such we find that he has been denied the right to represent his constituents, the people who elected him, and to voice their grievances in this House.
What is disconcerting is that this arrest without trial—without justification—of the Honourable Member for Setapak is not only an attack on the Member for Setapak but it is also an attack on the very principles of freedom and parliamentary democracy because, Mr Speaker, Sir, the Member for Setapak is the leader of the Socialist Front.

And I ask you Mr Speaker, Sir, to look into this side of the House and ask which Opposition Member is safe from the Government Police.

Mr Speaker: Is that all?


Enche9 K. Karam Singh: I have got many more.

Mr Speaker: It is only an application at this stage.

You will have a chance to speak if it is granted.

Enche9 K. Karam Singh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I have got a little more.

What is Parliament?

We have come down to is Parliament?

fundamentals.


What Parliament does not mean the ruling party as without the Opposition there is no Parliament—and freedom is the Opposition Members are liable to be arrested and carried off at any time, then, Mr Speaker, Sir, this Parliament has no soul.

the soul of Parliament.


just If 3909 11 MARCH 1963 3910 Mr Speaker: Honourable Members, the Honourable Member for Daman- sara has applied for leave to move the adjournment of the House under Standing Order 18 (1) to discuss the following matter— "The abuse of the Internal Security Act in forcibly preventing an Honourable Member of this House, the Member for Setapak, from attending this session of Parliament."
I regret that I cannot grant leave to the Honourable Member to do so, as I do not consider that his application meets the criteria of urgency and of public importance.

I am satisfied that the Honourable Member has been detained in accordance with the pro visions of the Internal Security Act, and not merely for the purpose of preventing his attendance at this session of the House.
BILLS P R E S E N T ED THE PARLIAMENTARY SERVICE BILL Bill to provide for the qualifications for appointment and conditions of service of members of the staff of the Houses of Parliament; presented by the Prime Minister; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of the House.
THE ELECTION BILL Bill to provide that, in respect of a polling district or an election ward or division, the Election Commission may assign a distinguishing number or a distinguishing number and letter, in stead of a distinguishing letter or dis the tinguishing Prime Minister; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subse quent sitting of the House.
letters; presented by THE LOAN GUARANTEE BILL Bill to provide for the application of certain provisions of the Loans (Inter national Bank) Ordinance, 1958, to a guarantee by the Federation of a loan by the International Bank for Recon struction and Development to Malayan Industrial Development Finance Limi ted—and for matters connected there the Minister of with; presented by Finance; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of the House.
THE SUPPLEMENTARY SUPPLY (1962 AND 1963) BILL Bill to apply sums out of the Consoli dated Fund for additional expenditure for the service of the years 1962 and 1963 and to appropriate such sums for certain purposes; presented by the Minister of Finance; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of the House.
amend THE INCOME TAX BILL to Income Tax Bill Ordinance, 1947; presented by the Minister of Finance; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subse quent sitting of the House.

the THE MUNICIPAL BILL Bill to amend the Municipal Ordinance; presented by the Interior; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of the House.
the Minister of BILLS THE NATIONAL L A N G U A GE BILL Second Reading The Deputy Prime Minister (Tun Haji Abdul Razak): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "An Act to provide for the script of the national language and for the form of numerals of the national language and for pur poses incidental thereto" be read a second time.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Rang Undang2 ini ada-lah terbit-nya daripada satu usul Dewan ini ia-itu pada 14 haribulan Disember, 1959 yang berbunyi saperti berikut: tulisan bahasa kebangsaan Pertama, hendak-lah tulisan Latin yang biasa di- panggil tulisan rumi yang di-pakai bersama2 dengan tulisan Melayu yang biasa di- panggil dengan tulisan jawi.

supaya jenis angka bahasa kebangsaan ini hendak-lah menurut angka antara bangsa yang biasa terpakai di- seluroh Persekutuan Tanah Melayu pada masa ini.
Kedua, 3911 11 MARCH 1963 3912 Ketiga, supaya Undang2 di-gubal di- kemukakan kapada Dewan ini dengan sa- berapa segera-nya sa-bagai menghasilkan tujuan yang pertama dan yang kedua yang tersebut sa-bagaimana yang di-kehendaki menurut Fasal 152 (1) Perlembagaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak-lah hendak berchakap dengan panjang lebar berkenaan dengan Rang Undang2 ini, kerana ini sudah pun di-bahathkan dengan sa-penoh2-nya apabila usul di- atas tadi telah di-kemukakan dalam Dewan ini pada 14 haribulan Disember, 1959 tetapi ada dua tiga fasal yang ber kenaan dengan Rang Undang2 ini yang patut saya terangkan ia-itu fasal dua dan tiga.
Dalam fasal dua dan tiga ada di-sebutkan, sunggoh pun di-bawah undang2 ini, tulisan rumi di-akui sa- bagai tulisan resmi, tetapi tidak pula menghalang tulisan jawi itu untok di-gunakan bagi urusan Kerajaan.

Saya perchaya ini ada-lah memenohi maksud usul yang pertama Dewan ini yang berkehendakkan supaya tulisan2 itu di- akui' sa-bagai tulisan bahasa kebangsaan di-pakai bersama dengan tulisan jawi.
ini Bagi pehak Kerajaan, Kerajaan memang sentiasa hendak menggunakan tulisan rumi dengan tidak meninggalkan tulisan jawi.

Tulisan rumi ia-lah sa- bagai tulisan international atau tulisan antara bangsa dan bagi menggalakkan saudara2 kita daripada bangsa asing dalam negeri ini bagi mempelajari ba hasa kebangsaan, maka patut sangat- lah kita menggalakkan penggunaan tulisan rumi ini.
Bagitu juga dengan orang2 bangsa asing ia-itu negeri2 yang berjiran dengan kita saperti negeri Thailand, Australia, New Zealand dan negeri2 lain, harus akan mempelajari bahasa kebangsaan kita, jika kita menggunakan tulisan rumi, dan bagitu juga ini di-pakai oleh negeri2 lain saperti Indonesia dan juga Philipina dan buku2 yang ada sekarang ini dalam bahasa kebangsaan saperti dalam perkara2 science, technology, ke- susteraan dalam tulisan rumi.
Maka ini-lah sebab-nya Kerajaan berkehendakkan tulisan rumi itu di-gunakan.

tulisan rumi di-gunakan yang Berkenaan dengan tulisan jawi, Ke rajaan tidak menghalang-nya, kerana Kerajaan sedar bahawa dalam negeri2 Tanah Melayu ini saperti negeri Perlis, Kedah, Johor, Kelantan, tulisan jawi luas-nya dalam di-gunakan dengan undang2 Dengan Kerajaan sebab sharat itu di-masokkan dalam Fasal dua ini bagi membolehkan tulisan jawi itu di-gunakan bersama dengan tulisan rumi.

satu itu.
satu itu.

Berkenaan dengan Fasal tiga dalam Rang Undang2 ini ada di-sebutkan di- situ bahawa jenis angka bahasa ke bangsaan yang di-chadangkan ia-lah jenis angka Arab atau Arabic form of numerals.

Ini ia-lah nama angka yang biasa di-pakai dalam bahasa Inggeris, dan bukan-lah di-sebabkan Kerajaan hendak menggunakan angka Arab ini.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya fikir itu- lah sahaja perkara yang mustahak dalam Rang Undang2 ini, dan saya suka mengeshorkan supaya Rang Undang2 ini di-terima oleh Dewan ini.
The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan Siew Sin): Sir, I beg to second the motion.

sama Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad (Bachok): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa- bagai menurut apa yang di-katakan oleh Yang Berhormat Timbalan Per- dana Menteri, maka nyata-lah ia-itu keputusan yang telah di-ambil dalam Dewan ini dahulu bahawa tulisan ke bangsaan bagi negeri ini ia-lah tulisan rumi yang taraf dengan-nya tulisan jawi.

Maka Rang Undang2 ini di-buat atas asas keputusan yang telah ini dahulu.
di-ambil dalam Dewan Saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-lah bersetuju dengan Rang Undang2 ini, chuma ada perkara dasar yang patut di-perhatikan oleh Kerajaan yang telah di-masokkan dalam Rang Undang2 ini, terutama dalam bahagian atau bab dua dalam Rang Undang2 ini yang membuat satu kelulusan yang mengatakan: Provided that nothing in this section shall prohibit the use of the Malay script, more commonly known as the Jawi script, of the national language.

Sharat ini ada-lah satu kelulusan.


Saya telah mendengar apa yang di-fahamkan oleh Yang Berhormat Timbalan Per- dana Menteri bahawa Kerajaan tidak- lah berchadang hendak menegah per- kembangan tulisan jawi dalam negeri ini, dan dalam tulisan kebangsaan kita, dan oleh sebab yang demikian-lah maka kelulusan ini di-buat.
3913 11 MARCH 1963 3914 tahu dalam tulisan Pada pandangan saya, bukan sahaja Kerajaan mesti berlapang hati, tetapi juga Kerajaan patut-lah menyebutkan bahawa Kerajaan juga berchadang hen- dak menggalakkan-nya walau pun tidak sampai sa-taraf dan sa-jajar dengan itu.

Sebab, tulisan kebangsaan rami Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apa yang berlaku dalam negeri ini ada-lah membayang- kan apa yang di-kehendaki oleh Kera jaan.
Kita sekolah kebangsaan yang pada masa ini menga- tetapi jar rami dan pengajaran dalam itu amat-lah kechil jika di-bandingkan dengan pelajaran yang kita dapati dalam tulisan rami itu.
Pada pandangan saya, falsafah pegangan dalam mengen- dalikan tulisan rami dan jawi bersama itu hendak-lah di-perkuat dan di-per- banyakkan lagi, sa-hingga Kerajaan menyatakan di-dalam-nya menchuba dan akan di-chuba dalam Dewan ini bahawa tulisan rami itu ia-lah tulisan kebangsaan negeri ini bersama2 berjalan dengan supaya dapat jawi di-hasilkan.
tulisan tulisan jawi, jawi Mengwujudkan satu provision sa- mata2 dengan mengatakan tidak apa- lah tulisan jawi kalau hendak hidup ada-lah satu perkara yang tidak sa-suai dengan semangat keputusan yang telah di-putuskan dalam Dewan ini.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tulisan jawi tidak di- luluskan dalam Dewan ini sa-bagai tulisan yang sejajar kalau tidak ada kepentingan-nya dan kalau tidak ada kerana kedudokan yang kuat dan kokoh dalam negeri ini.
Tulisan jawi ini-lah yang mendokong bahasa kebangsaan beberapa lama sa-belum wujud tulisan rumi.

Maka oleh sebab yang demikian, sudah pada tempat-nya Kerajaan mene- gakkan dasar-nya bahawa bahagian kelulusan atau bahagian mengambil berat di-dalam tulisan jawi di-tegaskan lebeh banyak daripada sekarang, ter- utama sa-kali dalam Kementerian Pelajaran.

jumpa Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada dua tiga murid sekolah yang masok L.C.E.

saya tidak boleh membacha telah Utusan Melayu.


Kalau Menteri ini hendak menafikan—saya bawa murid itu di-sini.

Jadi, ini ada-lah satu perkara yang memalukan.

Kita mengatakan sejajar tulisan tulisan kebangsaan negeri ini tulisan rami, dengan jawi tetapi kita tidak beri peluang.

Oleh sebab ber- demikian, harap supaya hal ini mendapat perha- tian, terutama oleh Yang Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri.
yang saya itu ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada dasar- nya Rang Undang2 ini ada-lah satu Rang Undang2 yang bertujuan menge- maskan bahasa kebangsaan ini.

Kalau dahulu bahasa kebangsaan tidak menegaskan apa-kah tulisan-nya, maka pada persidangan hari ini Kerajaan berchadang menegaskan, kalau orang bertanya kita boleh beri jawab.
Dalam semangat mengokohkan kedudokan bahasa kebangsaan dan menguatkan kedudokan bahasa kebangsaan dalam negeri ini, saya mengeshorkan kapada satu Rang Kerajaan supaya buat Undang2 yang sa-suai dengan Rang Undang2 ia-itu Rang Undang2 mengawal kehormatan bahasa kebang saan dalam negeri ini supaya jangan di-cherobohi oleh orang yang dengan mudah dengan mengatakan: "saya tidak hendak bahasa kebangsaan," "saya tidak pakai bahasa kebangsaan" dan sa-bagai-nya.
Saya fikir itu ada-lah baik di-adakan dengan chepat, sa-belum gejala2 menunjokkan perkembangan politik yang hendak menghanchorkan bahasa kebangsaan itu terlalu besar dan tidak dapat di-kawal.

Saya ber- harap kapada Yang Berhormat Tim balan Perdana Menteri supaya menim- bangkan perkara ini.

Dengan yang demikian sahaja-lah, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, kedudokan bahasa kebangsaan akan kokoh.

Tidak chukup dengan huruf-nya sahaja, tetapi dengan sema ngat dan kedudokan-nya.
Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saperti yang saya telah te- rangkan tadi ia-itu Kerajaan tidak-lah menggalang kedudokan tulisan jawi sa- bagi tulisan bahasa kebangsaan kita.

Akan tetapi, memandangkan beberapa sebab yang telah saya sebutkan tadi ia-itu Kerajaan mengutamakan tulisan rami tulisan bagi bahasa kebangsaan kita.

Perkara ini telah pun di-terima dalam Dasar Pelajaran tahun 1956.
Dan sunggoh pun bagitu, tulisan jawi ada-lah di-gunakan di-sekolah2 untok murid2 mempelajari bahasa sa-bagai 3915 11 MARCH 1963 3916 Melayu dengan lebeh dalam lagi, tetapi mempelajari bahasa kebangsaan yang kita kehendaki di-gunakan oleh semua bangsa yang dudok di-Tanah Melayu ini, tulisan rumi-lah di-gunakan.

Jadi, pada fikiran saya ini bersesuaian, bukan sahaja dengan usul yang telah di-setu- jui oleh Dewan ini, bahkan dengan kehendak kebangsaan kita juga.
Kalau kita berkehendakkan bahasa Melayu itu sa-bagai bahasa kebangsaan kembang dan hidup sa-bagai bahasa yang ber- guna dan berfaedah, bukan sahaja dalam negeri ini, bahkan di-seluroh dunia ini, ia-itu bahasa yang boleh di- pelajari oleh semua bangsa di-dunia ini, maka hendak-lah kita menggunakan tulisan yang menasabah, tulisan yang di-katakan tulisan antara-bangsa.
Tetapi sa-balek-nya, kalau kita berkehendakkan bahasa kita itu tidak kembang dan tidak hidup, kita boleh-lah gunakan tulisan yang susah hendak di-bacha dan di-gunakan.

Jadi, pehak Kerajaan kena-lah meman- dang perkara ini dari segi yang luas, kerana kita berkehendakkan bahasa Melayu itu kembang di-Tenggara Asia ini, dan bahasa Melayu di-gunakan sa-bagai bahasa kebangsaan di-seluroh Tanah Melayu ini oleh semua bangsa yang dudok dalam negeri ini.
international atau Berkenaan dengan pandangan Yang Berhormat dari Bachok yang kedua ia-itu kita patut adakan undang2 me- melihara atau pun menjaga bahasa kebangsaan kita, saya fikir undang2 yang sa-macham itu tidak-lah mustahak pada masa ini.

Yang mustahak bagi kita, Kerajaan atau Dewan ini ia-lah menggalakkan perkembangan keguna- an bahasa kebangsaan.

Jadi dengan sendiri sahaja bahasa kebangsaan di- gunakan oleh semua pehak dalam Tanah Melayu ini.
Kita mustahak memberi harga yang tertentu kapada bahasa kebangsaan.

Dan ini-lah chara dan dasar yang di-jalankan oleh Kerajaan dalam memperkembangkan bahasa kebangsaan ini.

Jadi, kita tidak payah paksa orang mengambil lang- kah, hanya dengan chara kita memberi harga yang tinggi kapada bahasa kita, menggalakkan kegunaan bahasa ke sharat2 bangsaan dalam jawatan Kerajaan dan sa-bagai- itu bahasa kebangsaan nya; dengan itu dan menjadi akan kembang dan dapat di-gunakan oleh semua pehak.
Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved into a Committee on the Bill.

itself Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr Speaker in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 6 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment; read the third time and passed.
THE MERDEKA STADIUM CORPORATION BILL Second Reading Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to establish the Merdeka Sta dium Corporation and to provide for purposes incidental thereto" be read a second time.

As Honourable Members are aware, both the Merdeka Stadium and the Stadium Negara are at present managed as an interim measure by a Working Committee appointed by the Government under my chairmanship.
This is only a temporary arrangement, because we have always intended to establish a corporation independent of Government, and legal status to manage and administer these two Stadiums.

it will have organisations.
The Now, Sir, this Bill provides for the establishment of a corporation and it shall be run by 16 members appointed by the Minister responsible, including persons nominated by the Mentri Besar of Selangor, and persons representing sporting State Government of Selangor has interests in these Stadiums, because it provides the land, and so we thought it proper that the State Government should be represented on the Corporation; also as the two Stadiums are of great interest to the sporting organisations of this country, they also should be repre sented.
3917 11 MARCH 1963 3918 Clause 3 of the Bill sets out the powers of the Corporation which in clude the power to manage any other stadium for use in connection with sports, games and other similar activi ties.

Clauses 8 and 9 provide for a National Stadium Corporation Fund and for the Government to make grants to it from time to time as it deems fit.

Clause 11 provides for the submis sion of an annual report to the Minister responsible and copies of such report will be laid before each House of Parliament.
I should explain that the Minister charged with responsibility for the Merdeka Stadium Corporation is the Prime Minister.
Sir, I should like before concluding to take this opportunity to express my highest appreciation on the great deal of voluntary work which has been done by members of the present Merdeka Stadium and the Stadium Negara Com mittee for running the two Stadiums for a number of years/Most of these members have done their work volun tarily and have spent their valuable time in the interest of the public.

I should, therefore, like to say that we, the Government, greatly appreciate the work that they have done.
Sir, this is a non-controversial Bill and it only pro vides for the general management of our sports stadiums, and I do hope that it will receive the support of this House.

The Minister of Agriculture and Co operatives (Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari): Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Enche9 V. David: Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like to make certain obser vations on this Bill in relation to the set-up of the Merdeka Stadium Cor poration Act.
Sir, I feel that it would be wrong to allow vested interests or politics to creep into the field of sports.

It will be to the interest not only of everyone here but also to members of the public, if the Stadium is allowed to function in an independent manner without any political or vested interests interference.
the voluntary workers have been doing a tremendous the Stadium, but I am a bit suspicious on in maintaining I appreciate that job is the the Government, to bring the composition of the Board in the manner it would be set up according to this Bill.

In other countries, the local Governments, local authorities, used to manage such stadiums; and in the absence of local Governments, we find independent bodies controlling such stadiums without any Government interference.
But, here like in Kuala Lumpur, where the local Government has been completely destroyed or dissolved by the the trying Government Stadium under its direct control.

It is stated here in Clause 3 that "the Cor poration shall have power to establish, manage and maintain any stadium for use in connection with any such sports, games, athletics, recreations, pastimes, exhibitions and parades as to the Cor poration seems fit."
That means it will not only be confined to the Merdeka Stadium, but that it will also expand its activities to other stadiums, if there are any more to come.

In other words, this Corporation is going to be a per manent body looking after and manag the entire number of stadiums ing which are now existing and those which are to come.
And the composition of this Corporation will be that the Prime Minister will make his appointment of the members of Menteri Besar has been asked to nominate members, and the Minister in charge will also appoint—that is: the Corporation, "The Corporation shall consist of following members: the (a) six persons appointed by the Minister; {b) two persons appointed by the Minister on the nomination of the Menteri Besar of the State of Selangor; and (c) eight persons appointed by the Minister to represent sporting organisations.
There shall be a Chairman and Deputy Chairman of the Corporation who shall be appointed by the Minister from among the members."

The safeguard sought by the Opposi tion is that there should be no political appointments to this Board.

It should be genuinely to the interest of sports their and people who have devoted time to sports and people who are prepared to sacrifice their leisure in constructing a new atmosphere in the field of sports.
So, before this Bill is adopted, I seek an assurance from the 3919 11 MARCH 1963 3920 Deputy Prime Minister that it will not be used for political purposes or for vested interests and it would be purely for the purpose of sports and nothing else.

Thank you.

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Mr Speaker, Sir, it is unfortunate that the Honour able Member has no interest at all in sports and he is out of tune with the aspirations and wishes Enche' V. David: The Deputy Prime Minister is completely wrong on that.
I do not play golf, but I do play cheaper games.

Mr Speaker: (To Enche1 V. David) If you want to explain something, you have got to ask whether he gives way or not.

You cannot just talk like that.

You must address your remarks to me.

Enche' V. David: Can I clarify, Sir?

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: I do not wish to give way, Sir.

As I say, the Honourable Member is out of tune with the aspirations and wishes of the sports men of this country.

He is talking of the stadiums as if they were detention camps.
I know that he has evil thoughts in his mind.

We, in the Government, have always clean thoughts about things.

We have always kept these two stadiums out of politics.

In fact, they have been managed very satisfactorily.

The various sports organisations are very happy over it.
If Government wants to have control, then it would not have brought this Bill before the House to turn the management into a cor poration, because at the moment it is run by a Committee appointed solely by the Government and the Govern ment has absolute control over it.
As I said, we have always the members interested in the stadiums and the into complete con the fidence; Malayan Olympic Council, I can assure this House that whatever we do in respect of the running of the stadiums, we have the full support of all sporting organisations throughout the country.

We do not expect support from the Honourable Member.
There is no need to give an assurance, because we have never used the stadiums for any other purpose other than for sporting activi and as President of sportsmen taken it will be possible expense and naturally ties.

And with the establishment of the Corporation, to manage the stadiums in a proper way and be able to have representatives of various sports organisations looking the stadiums together with the after representatives of the Government.
These stadiums are built at Govern ment's the Government has an interest in these buildings, and if there are stadiums built in future by the Government, these will be under the management of the Corporation.

That is why the intention is to have one Bill establishing one Corporation to avoid having to come to the House every time we have a new stadium.

Sir, this is a non-controversial Bill and I am sure this measure will have the support of all sport loving people in this country.
Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately into a Committee on the Bill.

resolved itself Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr Speaker in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 4— is wrong for Enche' V. David: I have nothing to to make a clarification.

add except the Deputy Prime It Minister to say that I have no interest in sports.
I do not play golf like the Deputy Prime Minister does, golf being too expensive a game for me, but I am quite interested in sports.

Mr Chairman: Under what section are you speaking?

Enche' V. David: Under sections 1 to 4—I am coming to it.

So we from the Opposition would back any move to operate a properly constituted body to maintain the stadiums, but what I was trying to secure was that there would the be no political appointments running of these stadiums.

in Che' Khadijah binti Md.


Sidek (Dungun): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di- dalam soal Stadium Merdeka ini di- saperti sana juga penjualan2 ada 3921 11 MARCH 1963 3922 sa-bahagian canteen2, kedai2, stall2 dan restaurant di-muka 2 bahagian (e) "to carry on the business of licensed victuallers and refreshment purveyors."
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam soal ini saya meminta perhatian kapada jawatan-kuasa2 dari- pada board ini supaya juga membuka- kan tender2 khas untok orang2 Melayu, sebab selalu-nya di-bukakan tender itu sa-chara 'am untok warga negara yang mana selalu-nya jatoh kapada warga negara yang bukan bangsa Melayu.
Jadi dengan di-adakan dasar di-khas- kan khas untok orang Melayu supaya ada dalam canteen itu jualan khas orang Melayu kita yang menjual masakan2 Melayu yang kerana datang dari luar negeri yang singgah di-situ hendak merasa masakan Melayu dan hendak merasa bagaimana lazat- nya makanan2 yang di-masak oleh anak2 jati negeri ini.
Tuan Yang di- Pertua, juga memperkenalkan bagaimana masakan2 daripada wanita Tanah Melayu dan ini ada-lah satu peluang kapada wanita2 kita untok memperkenalkan masakan2 daripada Tanah Melayu ini.

pelanchong2 di-bukakan banyak ini jawatan-kuasa Saya sunggoh berharapkan perhatian daripada ini board tender khas ka supaya memberikan pada orang Melayu supaya di-dalam canteen itu ada sa-bahagian khas yang di-punyai oleh orang Melayu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.
suka menerangkan di-buka yang itu kerana minuman, Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bagi menjawab pandangan Yang Berhormat daripada Dungun, bahawa saya di-Stadium canteen Merdeka jadi kita tidak ada hendak hadkan kapada mana2 pehak, sebab kita berkehendak- kan segala bangsa yang datang ka- itu menggunakan restaurant Stadium itu.
Sa-bagaimana di-dapati bahawa pada masa yang lalu restaurant yang ada di-Stadium itu tidak dapat untong, sebab Stadium tidak di-gunakan itu sa-tiap masa, jadi kalau hendak di- hadkan kapada orang2 Melayu barang- kali harus tidak ada langsong orang yang boleh menjalankan restaurant itu dan sunggoh pun bagitu pehak Board sekarang ini telah membenarkan ia-itu bagi menjual minuman2 di- kiosk itu di-berikan kapada orang tidak ber- Melayu kerana di-situ kehendakkan modal yang banyak dan tidak mendatangkan rugi yang banyak.
Tetapi bagi menjalankan restaurant itu agak susah sadikit kerana Stadium Merdeka itu di-gunakan hanya pada masa2 yang tertentu dan bukan-nya hari2, dengan sebab itu-lah tidak dapat untong.
Sunggoh pun kita hendak menggalakkan orang2 Melayu kita me- ngambil bahagian dalam perniagaan, tetapi pada pendapat saya dalam hal kita memberi sport peluang kapada semua pehak me- ngambil bahagian sa-bagaimana yang tidak ada orang saya katakan Melayu yang boleh mengambil tender kerana menjalankan itu kerana pekerjaan itu tidak dapat untong.

ini kena-lah restaurant tadi Clauses 1 to 14 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.
MOTIONS THE DEVELOPMENT (SUPPLE MENTARY) (No.

3) ESTIMATES, 1962 The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan Siew Sin): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move, in accordance with Standing Order 67c, the motion standing in my name.

Honourable Members will recall that a Contingencies Reserve of $5,000,000 was provided in the 1962 Development Estimates for the purpose of making urgent advances to meet unforeseen requirements arising out of the imple mentation of the Development Plan.
Two such unavoidable advances were made, one to the Ministery of Health, for $3,900,000 and the other to the Ministry of Works, Posts and Tele communications for $1,000,000.

Hon recall ourable Members will further that such advances are only made to provide before Supplementary Development Estimates can be presented to this House for approval It is therefore necessary to immediate finance 3923 11 MARCH 1963 3924 ask this House to approve the Deve lopment (Supplementary) (No.
3) Esti mates, 1962, now before it.

Sir, I beg to move.

The Minister of Internal Security and Minister of the Interior (Dato' Dr Ismail): Sir, I beg to second the motion.

immediately Question put, and agreed to.

resolved House itself into a Committee of the whole House.

(Supplementary) The Development (No.

3) Estimates, 1962, considered in Committee.

and this sum was made available by the Treasury by way of an advance the Development Contingencies from Reserve Fund.
This is the sum now being recouped by these Development (Supplementary) (No.

3) Estimates, 1962, in respect of Head 123, Sub this head 218 (i).

The approval of supplement by this House is requested.

Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $3,900,000 for Head 123 agreed to stand part of the Develop ment (Supplementary) (No.

3) Esti mates, 1962.

(Mr Speaker in the Chair) Head 144— Head 123— Mr Chairman: I propose that a sum of $3,900,000 for Head 123 be agreed to.
The Minister of Health (Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib): Mr Chairman, Sir, I beg to move that a sum of $3,900,000 be approved.

Mr Chairman: I propose that a sum of $1,000,000 under Head 144 be agreed to.

The Minister of Works, Posts and (Dato' V. T. Telecommunications Sambanthan): Mr Chairman, Sir, I beg to move that a sum of $1 million be approved.
the Sir, when presenting the 1962 Deve lopment Estimates, in respect of Head 123, Medical and Health, my pre decessor has stated that the estimated expenditure of $9 million under Sub head 218 (i), Rural Health Schemes, total represents only a part of estimated cost of the projects to be implemented in 1962 and that further appropriation of funds will be made during the year in order to meet actual the total cost.

The House approved 1962 estimated expenditure of $9 million under Sub-head 218 (i).
The provision under this Sub-head in 1961 was $6 million.

The actual expenditure during the year was, however, only $1,943,908.

Nonetheless, inescapable commitment by way of projects started in 1961, carried in 1962, necessitated the issue, in July, 1962, of a Direction Warrant for $4 million being unspent balance of the 1961 pro vision thus increasing the 1962 provi sion under Sub-head 218 (i) to $13 million.

The the rural health scheme projects in 1962 was very accelerated.
considerably Towards October, 1962, it was esti mated that a further additional sum of $3,900,000 would be required to meet the actual expenditure during the year, implementation of forward the The development of the subscribers' telephone network in the Federation of Malaya has been growing at an ever- increasing pace, and the earlier Deve lopment Estimates of expenditure for the current Five-Year Plan have proved to be inadequate.

For the year 1962 the at expenditure was estimated $3,220,000.
Subsequently a sum of $1,120,113 was brought forward by a the unspent Direction Warrant from total in 1961 to make balance available for 1962 at $4,340,113.

It was expected that most of the com mitments would fall due for payment in 1962 and in the meanwhile addi tional funds were urgently required for the purchase of telephone instruments the Public Automatic Branch and Exchanges, installation of telephones and branch exchanges, provision of lines, underground cables, etc.
The additional funds were, in fact, required to allow normal development of the subscribers network to proceed and avoid delays in the provision of service to waiting applicants.

Accordingly a sum of $1 million was advanced from the Development Contingencies Re serve Fund this additional expenditure.

to meet Question put, and agreed to.

3925 11 MARCH 1963 3926 The sum of $1,000,000 for Head 144 agreed to stand part of the Develop ment (Supplementary) (No.

3) Esti mates, 1962.


Question put, and resolved, "That a sum not exceeding $4,900,000 be the Development expended out of Fund in the financial year 1962 to meet the purposes for the Heads and Sub heads set out in the second column of the Statement laid on the Table as Command Paper No.

6 of 1963, there be appropriated specified the opposite to such Heads and Sub-heads in the eighth column thereof."

sum House resumed.
sum House resumed.

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee has considered the motion referred to it and has agreed to it.

I accordingly move, Sir, that the motion standing in my name be agreed to.

The Minister of Internal Security and and Minister of the Interior (Dato' Dr Ismail): Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That a sum not exceeding $4,900,000 be expended out of the Development Fund in the financial year 1962 to meet the purposes for the Heads and Sub-heads set out in the second column of the Statement laid on the Table as Command Paper No.

6 of 1963, there be appropriated the sum specified opposite to such Heads and Sub-heads in the eighth column thereof.
THE CUSTOMS DUTIES (AMEND MENT) ORDER, 1963 Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move— That this House resolves that in accordance with the powers vested in it by virtue of sub-section (2) of section 10 of the Customs Ordinance, 1952, the Customs Duties (Amend laid ment) Order, 1963, which has been before the House as Statute Paper No.

14 of 1963 be confirmed.

Sir, it has been necessary to increase the duty on motor vehicle tyres in order to protect a domestic industry.
Honourable Members will be aware of the recent increase in the duty on motor vehicle tyres which came into force on 20th February, 1963.

The duty has been raised by 30 per cent, i.e., from 40 per cent full and 20 per cent preferential to 70 per cent full and 50 per cent preferential.
Although the 30 per cent increase in the duty might be thought to be rather on the high side, there will, in fact, be no increase in the prices of motor vehicle tyres as the Government has been assured by the domestic manufacturers that adequate stocks of their tyres and tubes to meet the full public demand are available from their dealers throughout the Fede ration at prices no higher than those ruling before the tariff increase.
In fact, the company in question has announced subsequently that it will be reducing the prices of its tyres and tubes.

The Government is satisfied that a valuable domestic industry has been established without prejudice to the interests of consumers.

Finally, I would like to stress that there is no justification whatsoever for an increase in prices as a result of the increase in import duty and members of the public are strongly warned to resist any demand for higher prices from dealers.
Sir, I beg to move.

Data' Dr Ismail: Sir, I beg second the motion.

to Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That this House resolves that in accordance with the powers vested in it by virtue of sub-section (2) of section 10 of the Customs Ordinance, 1952, the Customs Duties (Amend ment) Order, 1963, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

14 of 1963 be confirmed.

THE CUSTOMS DUTIES (AMEND MENT) (No.


2) ORDER, 1963 Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move the motion standing in my name, viz— That this House resolves that in accordance with the powers vested in it by virtue of sub-section (2) of section 10 of the Customs Ordinance, 1952, the Customs Duties (Amend ment) (No.

2) Order, 1963, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

15 of 1963 be confirmed.

Sir, the Customs Duties (Amend ment) (No.


2) Order, 1963, concerning Fruit Juices and Concentrates came into force on 7th March, 1963.

The main purpose of this amending Order 3927 11 MARCH 1963 3928 to of ad and valorem is to differentiate between fruit juice and concentrates dutiable at 20 per cent flavouring materials dutiable at 50 per cent ad the coming valorem.
Prior into amending Order, force this classified flavouring materials were under Customs Tariff Group 551, while certain fruit juice and concen trates which are, by their nature, basically flavouring materials were classified under Customs Item 053.

The problem was, therefore, to lay down a clear distinction as to which products should be regarded as juices requiring dilution only to make them drinkable, and which products should be treated as flavouring materials subject to duty at 50 per cent ad valorem.
This amending Order introduces new Tariff items, namely 053 505-1 and 053 505-2.

The new duty classification will serve to distinguish clearly between genuine fruit juices or fruit juice con centrates which will continue to be dutiable at 20 per cent ad valorem, from flavouring materials or concent rates which are, in fact, flavouring materials which will attract duty at 50 per cent ad valorem.
The dilution factor of one to twelve as determining the difference between a concentrated drink and a flavouring material was selected after an exhaustive examina tion by the Chemistry Department of a wide range of products now on the market, and I am satisfied that this is a fair and reasonable basis for the distinction.

I would that there is in fact no change in the rates of duty imposed on these items, but only an improvement in definition.

to emphasise like Sir, I beg to move.


The Assistant Minister of Commerce (Tuan Haji Abdul the to second and Industry Khalid): Sir, I beg motion.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That this House resolves that in accordance with the powers vested in it by virtue of sub-section (2) of section 10 of the Customs Ordinance, 1952, the Customs Duties (Amend ment) (No.

2) Order, 1963, which has been the House as Statute Paper laid before No.

15 of 1963 be confirmed.

THE CUSTOMS DUTIES (AMEND MENT) (No.


3) ORDER, 1963 Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move the motion standing in my name, viz— That this House resolves that in accordance with the powers vested in it by virtue of sub-section (2) of section 10 of the Customs Ordinance, 1952, the Customs Duties (Amend ment) (No.

3) Order, 1963, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

16 of 1963 be confirmed.

Sir, the Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.


3) Order, 1963, laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

16 came into force on 7th March, 1963.

The Order amended the duty on galvanised iron or steel sheets from 10% ad valorem to 3 cents per square foot.

The change has been made in response to requests from the domestic manufac turer for protection from low-priced imports.
The Government is satisfied that the quality of the domestic product is good and that the home manufacturer has suffered unfair competition from cut price imports and in particular from very thin gauge imports.

These very thin gauges are unsatisfactory as roofing material as they tear easily, but they are very cheap and have obtained an increasing share of the market for this reason.
The principal exporting country has also a monopoly of the manufac ture of thin gauge black sheet which is the basic material from which galva nised sheets are made.

The domestic manufacturer cannot therefore compete on equal terms.

iron The Government is satisfied that the protection now granted does no more than afford the domestic manufacturer a reasonable opportunity of conducting his business satisfactorily.
The home manufacturer is not equipped at present to manufacture thicker gauges of galvanised iron sheets but the new duty being a flat rate based on area represents little or no increase over the former rate of 10% ad valorem in respect of the thick gauges.

Sir, I beg to move.

Tuan Haji Abdul Khalid: Sir, I beg to second the motion.
Enche' Geh Chong Keat (Penang Utara): Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like 3929 11 MARCH 1963 3930 to speak particularly, on the item con cerning the duty of three cents per square foot on the material in this group.

The Honourable Minister of Finance has presented the views, in respect of the increase to three cents per square foot on this material.

I appeal to the Minister of Finance to divide the duty into two categories: (i) the levy on the standard wire gauge (Nos.
28 to 37) to remain at the old duty of 10 per cent on value of import; (ii) the duty on gauges Nos.

24 to 26 can be increased to three cents per square foot, in order to protect the local industry.

My reason is that the old duty of 10 per cent on the value of the import, covers the light gauge and the heavy gauge, but the local manufac turers produce mostly the heavy gauge.

The import of this light gauge material is somewhere around 1,000 tons and the heavy gauge amounts to 20 per cent of this amount.
As regards the material imported, they are imported, as the Honourable Minister has said, mostly in rolls, black or carbonised.

The local industry now has a capital of 49 per cent foreign and 51 per cent local and it employs somewhere around 50 persons in the various factories and needs pro tection.

Sir, I feel that this method of taxa tion will affect the rural people most, as the taxation is in general.
By deduct ing the over-all taxation, it will be seen that the tax on the light gauge is more than that on the heavy gauge due to the thickness of the latter, as the three cents per square foot is applied to the thin and the thick gauges.

Therefore, Sir, the thin one or the light gauge is over-taxed.

Now, the Government, through our rural development programme, has said that we must improve the standard of living of our rural folks, we must improve their economic standards.
To improve the economic standard of a country, we must help the rural folks to live in peace.

Sir, most of the rural folks have improved their houses through the good support and the good planning of the Rural Development Ministry and through their Local Councils.

Most of the rural folks have changed their attap roofs to zinc roofs, which is a way to relieve their fear of fire, as those who live under the attap roofs always fear most, if the outbreak of fire.
When they go to work, they are not afraid of anything happening to their families except fire, which will destroy every thing they own and the ones they love.

The Local Governments have done very well in making by-laws or allowing by-laws to be amended to fit into this rural programme.

The standard of living of the people has improved tremen dously and the roofs of houses have been changed from attap to zinc.
By introduc ing this method of taxation the price of light gauge zinc will be increased in the respect of local imported material product, rural people most.

the percentage of and thereby affecting the the I appeal to the Minister of Finance to consider my proposal to divide the material for duty purposes into two categories: that is, to waive the duty on the light gauge material (Nos.
28 to 37) or allow it to remain at 10 per cent, and to levy a duty of three cents per square foot on gauges 24 to 26, as the Honourable Minister has to protect the local industry.

Thank you, Sir.

said, Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, as I tried to point out in my speech in introducing this motion, the very thin gauges are not suitable as roofing material as they tear easily and this is not only my view, but it is also the view of technical experts of the Public Works Department.
The facts given by the Honourable Member who has just spoken, in fact, are the very reasons why for it has become necessary Government to impose this new method of duty in order to protect our domestic industry.

The Honourable Member may, perhaps, not be aware that the unfair competition comes from the very thin gauges on whose behalf he has made such an eloquent plea.
If, for example, we were to retain the ad valorem method of duty, there is little doubt that the domestic industry will, perhaps, disappear completely for the simple exporter that probably has no scruples in selling at prices which are really not economic in order to kill our domestic industry.
reason the 3931 11 MARCH 1963 3932 that an exporter That is precisely the reason why the Government has felt that the only way to protect our domestic manufacturer is to levy duty on an area rather than on an ad valorem basis.
One must remember is if prepared to take temporary losses he could very well declare the product at a value which is far below its real value; he could even sell at a loss in order that the products which he wished to export in quantity would attract a much lower rate, and that is the reason why the Government cannot agree to continue to impose duty as of old.

The Honourable Member does make a point, however, about the interests of consumers.
I am sure the Ministry of Commerce and Industry has borne this in mind, and if, at any time in future, the domestic manufacturer abuses this protection by increasing his price to a level which the Government regards as unfair, is in the hands of the Government will then be used to remove this duty and thus to what it was restore before the new method came into force.

the weapon which the position Question put, and agreed to.
Resolved, That this House resolves that in accordance with the powers vested in it by virtue of sub-section (2) of section 10 of the Customs Ordinance, 1952, the Customs Duties (Amend ment) (No.

3) Order, 1963, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

16 of 1963 be confirmed.


THE EMPLOYEES PROVIDENT FUND FIRST SCHEDULE (AMEND- MENT) ORDER, 1963 Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move, That this House resolves pursuant to sub section (2) of section 22 of the Employees' Provident Fund Ordinance, 1951, that the Employees' Provident Fund First Schedule (Amendment) Order, 1963, which has been duly laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

18 of 1963, be approved and that the said Order shall come into force with effect from 1st April, 1963.
Sir, in the course of my Budget speech last year, I informed the House that the Government would be taking the steps the scope of increase to Employees' Provident Fund ways: in two (i) by increasing the maximum wage in respect of which Employees' Provident Fund contributions are payable from $400 to $500 per month; and (ii) by including any employees em ployed by an employer with three or more employees as opposed to a minimum of five as at present.
In order to implement these measures, it is necessary to effect certain amend ments to the First Schedule of the Employees' Provident Fund Ordi nance, 1951.

For the First Employees' Provident Schedule (Amendment) Order, 1963, has been published.

this purpose, Fund In accordance with section 22 (2) of the E.P.F.

Ordinance, 1951, the resolu tion now before this House seeks approval of the Employees Provident Fund First Schedule (Amendment) Order, 1963, and its coming into force on 1st April, 1963.
These measures constitute only the first steps in the Government's policy of widening the scope of the Fund, which must be carried out gradually for administrative reasons.

I wish to draw the attention of Honourable Members to the fact that the Order excludes medical housemen from its scope.
The reason for this is that housemen after being employed in a resident medical capacity in approved hospitals or institutions for a maxi the mum period of one year, for purpose of the registration under Medical Registration Ordinance, 1952, are eligible the permanent and pensionable establish ment should they continue to remain in Government service, and contribu tion to the Fund for a period of one year would not be to their advantage.

to be emplaced on Sir, I beg to move.


Dato' Dr Ismail: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That this House resolves pursuant to sub section (2) of section 22 of the Employees' Provident Fund Ordinance, 1951, that the 3933 11 MARCH 1963 3934 Employees' Provident Fund First Schedule (Amendment) Order, 1963, which has been the House as Statute Paper laid before No.
18 of 1963, be approved and that the said Order shall come into force with effect from 1st April, 1963. dan dapat-lah benar2 kita menegakkan keamanan dan ketenteraman ra'ayat negara kita ini dan berbaik2 dengan negara2 tetangga kita.

Sitting suspended at 11.40 a.m.

Sitting resumed at 12 noon.

PERSEKUTUAN TANAH MELAYU MENJALANKAN IKHTIAR2 YANG AMAN DAN DAMAI DI-DALAM DENGAN PERHUBONGAN-NYA NEGARA TETANGGA Dr Burhanuddin bin Mohd.
Noor (Besut): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon mengemukakan usul saya yang berbunyi: Bahawa bagi kepentingan kebijaksanaan politik dan ketenteraman hidup negara dan ra'ayat Persekutuan Tanah Melayu, Dewan ini menetapkan bahawa Kerajaan dan ra'ayat Persekutuan Tanah Melayu hendak-lah men jalankan ikhtiar2 yang aman dan damai di- dalam perhubongan2-nya dengan negara tetangga, dan sa-kira-nya ada ketegangan2 yang merunching hendak-lah Kerajaan Perse kutuan Tanah Melayu mengadukan hal itu kapada Pertubohan Bangsa2 Bersatu bagi penyelesaian yang damai.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kerana perkara persengketaan yang telah berlaku se tetangga kita karang dengan negara sudah nampak atau di-jangka oleh PAS, maka untok membendung dan mengelakkan hal2 kejadian yang me- rugikan hubongan persaudaraan dan merugikan kapada chita2 perjuangan kebangsaan di-seluroh Nusantara dan yang memang ada chita2 perjuangan yang kita sama2 ma'alum dan selalu dalam Dewan di-sebut ia-itu bertaup" lalu "perahu supaya semangat persaudaraan negara2 seluroh Nusantara yang sa-keturunan dan sa-baka itu dapat di-baiki.
Dan untok mengelakkan bekas dan saki-baki penjajahan yang memang bisa dan benchana dalam menjalankan siasat "Divide and rule" dapat-lah kita elak dan dapat pula dengan kebijaksanaan, ketenangan jiwa dengan sunggoh2 serta meletakkan ta'at setia kapada negeri dan sunggoh2 kita hendak membawa keamanan dan kema'amoran kapada negeri ini.
kiambang ini Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tujuan usul saya ini ia-lah sa-telah memandangkan dan menyaksikan dasar dan chara Kementerian Luar Negeri Persekutuan Tanah Melayu yang telah melakukan perkara2 yang tidak di-gemari oleh gulongan2 ra'ayat negeri ini dan yang boleh menimbulkan sengketa dan salah sangka oleh negara2 lain saperti cham- por tangan Persekutuan dalam perkara2 saperti pertikaian sempadan China- India dan persengketaan yang di- timbulkan oleh Ranchangan Malaysia dan persengketaan dengan negara2 tetangga kita saperti yang heboh seka- rang Indonesia dan Pilipina.
Kerana memandangkan keadaan2 ini dan dengan usul2 saya yang lalu, maka tidak-lah boleh di-biarkan marak ber- nyala persengketaan ini dan mungkin pula berlaku pada negara2 tetangga yang lain.

Maka untok sama kita ber- setuju dapat-lah kita mengawal per kara2 lagi, dan jangan berlaku perkara yang maseh ada sekarang ini dapat-lah di-padamkan dan dapat-lah kita tolak bahaya2 dan sengketa2 itu ia-itu ini Maka pada masa Ranchangan Malaysia ini dahulu di-kemukakan saya telah mengikuti-nya.
Saya bawa, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berkenaan dengan hal Malaysia kerana ada berkait dengan usul saya ini.

Saya telah mengikuti usul Malaysia dan dengan tujuan supaya benar2-lah berjalan "perahu lalu kiam bang bertaup" itu-lah maka saya ikuti Meshuarat Ranchangan Malaysia C.P.A.

itu.
itu.

Tetapi sa-sudah beberapa perkara bersimpang sior, maka saya merasa kemungkinan ranchangan chita2 seluroh perjuangan Nusantara yang hendakkan supaya "perahu lalu kiam bang bertaup" itu mungkin akan men- jadi pertelagahan dan pertelengkahan timbul salah sangka atau dan akan misunderstanding saling mengerti dalam tujuan2 yang mungkin penyakit "Divide and rule" itu akan masok dan timbul.
tidak dan Maka kerana itu-lah saya bawa usul ka-dalam Dewan ini supaya di-adakan negara2 perundingan awal dengan 3935 11 MARCH 1963 3936 itu kalau tetangga kita sebab kita sa-keturunan dengan Indonesia dan Philippines.
ini ada-lah menjadi dasar Kerana pokok yang akan kalau pun sudah ke- adaan mementingkan sunggoh2 dengan pembentokan Malaysia yang hendak di-jalankan oleh Persekutuan Tanah itu walau pun bertentangan Melayu dengan dasar perjuangan Persatuan Islam sa-Tanah Melayu yang ber- kehendakkan greater Malaysia atau pun Melayu Raya tetapi kerana per- sudah jalanan Malaysia mustahak dan penting sangat dan tidak menimbulkan perkara2 yang burok maka dengan ada-nya perundingan awal itu maka akan dapat-lah per- jalanan-nya lebeh lichin dan mungkin- lah itu akan menjadi dasar menuju kapada chita2 yang besar dalam tujuan "perahu lalu kiambang bertaup."
Te tapi sa-sudah usul itu telah saya bawa tujuan hendak mengelakkan dengan peluang binchana yang akan timbul— "Divide and Rule Policy" ini dan supaya jangan timbul perkara2 salah mengerti dan salah faham daripada pehak Persekutuan ini maka manakala usul ini di-tolak, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan dukachita-nya hujah yang pen- ting yang telah di-kemukakan oleh Yang Berhormat Perdana Menteri dan sa-bagai Menteri Luar Negeri, sebab- nya dia tidak mahu berunding itu ia-lah dengan sebab tidak ada hubongan-nya dan tidak kena-mengena dengan masa- alah Malaysia Indonesia dalam dan Philippines.
Manakala pandangan saya ia-lah hubongan yang penting sa-kali dalam melaksanakan satu2 perkara yang berjiran dengan negara pe rundingan yang saling mengerti dan saling faham memahami; dan saling perasaan mesra dan persaudaraan, maka ranchangan tidak-lah me nimbulkan persengketaan pada masa kemudian.
supaya di-adakan ini dengan itu itu saya Maka rasa hujah Perdana Menteri ini tidak kena sebab kerana hujah2 itu menunjokkan tidak mahu bertolak ansor di-dalam chita2 kita untok kepentingan bagi kedua2 negara itu.
Sebab yang musta- hak-nya ia-lah sa-bagaimana biasa-nya dalam peratoran yang ada di-hadapan kita sa-belum-nya kita hendak men- sempadan supaya dapat-lah Indonesia jalankan saperti kata pepatah, biar-lah kita menchari kawan sa-belum ber- jalan, dan menchari jiran sa-belum kita menchari rumah, kita berkira2 dengan rumah kita itu, ini bukan lagi sa-bagai rumah tetapi sa-bagai satu negara maka perlu-lah usul saya dahulu itu di-tim- negara bangkan itu sama2 faham dan tetangga kita mengerti.
Sa-sudah persengketaan itu timbul terdapat-lah satu siaran; saya terbacha dalam surat khabar berkenaan dengan Lord Selkirk mengatakan ba- hawa perkara Malaysia telah di-bawa berunding 18 bulan yang lalu dengan Indonesia dan bersetuju dengan langkah Inggeris hendak me- lepaskan negeri2 itu daripada tanah jajahan-nya.

Jadi ini-lah satu perkara kalau sa-bagai Lord Selkirk ada buat hubongan maka itu-lah sebab-nya usul saya ini di-kemukakan dahulu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.
Sebab saya mengemu- kakan perkara ini dan berhubong dengan usul saya ini ada-lah kerana sa-sudah usul yang ada sekarang saya mengemukakan kapada Dewan ini ter- siar dalam surat khabar dan membuat provokasi sa-olah2 usul saya ini bukan- lah satu usul yang setia kapada negeri ini, sa-olah2 ada udang di-sebalek batu menjadi gula2 kapada chita2 komunis.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, usul ini saya sunggoh2 kemukakan dengan rasa politik yang sehat dan bukan perasaan tempang atau dengan politik yang satu2 tempang perkara yang menjadi dasar-nya— pokok kapada kita ia-lah keamanan usaha2 dan ketenteraman.

Bahawa berbaik2 untok ketenteraman itu ada-lah sangka dengan perkara yang principle yang mustahak sa-kali di-lakukan.
Saya sa-benar-nya usul saya ini walau pun perkara ini ada berkait dengan Indonesia confrontation Indonesia tetapi sa-benar-nya usul saya ini bukan-lah di-tujukan timbul masa- alah confrontation Indonesia itu tetapi ada-lah sa-bagaimana usul ini jelas dan terang semua merupakan atau menyebutkan confrontation Indo nesia.
Tetapi kerana tidak dapat di- elakkan bahawa perkara ini telah ber- laku dan saya harap sunggoh pun dari dahulu perkara ini dapat di-elakkan kerana sudah ada gejala2, semboyan2 ia-lah dengan di-dalam tetangga dengan kerana tidak satu dan 3937 11 MARCH 1963 3938 yang saya bimbang perkara ini akan timbul.

Apa yang di-takutkan dan apa yang di-bimbangkan, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, ini telah timbul dan telah ber- laku.

Dan bertambah bimbang lagi kalau perkara ini bertambah besar dan bernyala2.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, manakala hu- jah daripada usul saya dahulu di-tolak, dahulu telah di-katakan oleh Perdana Menteri kita tidak ada kena-mengena dengan Indonesia dan soal sempadan- nya maka ada-lah yang berlaku seka- rang ini perkara itu bukan lagi tidak kena-mengena lagi bahkan telah kena-mengena.
lebeh2 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kerana meme- lihara dasar berbaik2 dengan tetangga ini ada-lah saya rasa usul yang sehat dan baik sa-bagaimana telah di-terang- kan di-dalam usul saya ini, tidak ada satu motive bengkok atau motive yang tidak baik tetapi ia-lah dengan sung- goh2 hendak menegakkan keamanan negeri kita dan berbaik2 dengan negara tetangga.
Dengan jalan ini dapat kita memelihara semangat perjuangan yang lalu yang telah kita perjuangkan di- seluroh nusantara hendak menyatukan persaudaraan kita pada keselurohan chita2 besar agong di-tengah2 mashara- kat dunia pada masa sekarang ini yang bergolak dengan macham2 faham.
itu penjajahan lalu kiambang bertaup Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kerana bim- bang-nya masaalah2 yang akan timbul jika tidak kita memelihara semangat perahu itu maka akan timbul-lah masaalah2 dan perkara2 yang mungkin jarum dan muslihat2 timbul, lebeh2, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kerana dunia sekarang ini sedang bergolak berkehendakkan peperangan dunia dan usaha2 untok mengelakkan supaya ini kekal aman dan damai dunia sangat2-lah di-usahakan oleh pehak United Nations, maka usul saya ini juga ada-lah sa-suai dan sa-jalan de ngan maksud sa-bahagian negeri kita ini mengekalkan keaman an di-kawasan kita itu supaya dapat terelak-lah dan helah2 gulongan2 yang hendak menim- bulkan peperangan dalam dunia ini lagi.
Dengan kita pertetapkan mema- hami kapada chita2 dan semangat pe penjajahan sa-bagai helah2 saya kalau bimbang tertinggi, rahu lalu kiambang bertaup itu maka dapat-lah kawasan Asia Timor ini kita selamatkan daripada benchana pepe ini dengan rangan.
Maka sekarang yang perkara itu nampak2 telatah gelagat2-nya dalam Utusan Melayu 4hb ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ia-itu Yang Berhormat Tim- balan Perdana Menteri kita telah mem- buat statement-nya yang berbunyi: "Malaya akan meminta bantuan dengan Soekarno, negara Subandiro terus mengancham".

Ini-lah kepala yang kita nampak terpampang dalam Utusan Melayu sa-bagai satu surat khabar yang besar siaran-nya di-tanah ayer kita ini.
Dengan siaran saperti itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bimbang-lah bahawa perkara yang sa perti itu kita akan menggalakkan negara2 yang memang ada semangat hendak menimbulkan peperangan dan menchari2 jalan supaya timbul pepera ngan bagaimana yang sudah2 pepera ngan itu berlaku dua kali di-Eropa dan alang-kah besar benchana kita dapat- lah helah2 mereka itu akan mengaleh- kan medan peperangan dunia itu pula kapada tanah ayer kita.
Perkara ini-lah yang saya bimbang sangat, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dan sa-kira-nya perkara itu tentu-lah pehak yang berlaku maka lawan dari pehak ini tetangga kita mungkin pula membuat perhubongan bagaimana yang di-tudoh maka men- jadi titek berat tudohan pehak Tanah Melayu dengan Indonesia ia-itu komi- nis.
Jadi, timbul-lah punchak kedua2 perbalahan itu bukan lagi soal Malaya dengan lagi soal Malaysia, tetapi timbul-lah masaalah, tujuan chita2 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang di-idam2kan oleh war monger itu dan manakala peperangan itu ber laku maka tudohan2 pehak kita dengan pehak tetangga kita mengatakan negara mereka di-pengarohi oleh kominis dan mereka pula menjadi punchak tudohan sa-bagai negara yang di-pengarohi oleh penjajahan, sudah2-nya timbul-lah pe perangan kominis dengan penjajahan di-tanah ayer kita.
Maka ini-lah yang saya sangat takut dan bimbang, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dan ini bukan-lah satu perkara yang kechil dan kerana itu-lah usul saya dahulu itu besar erti-nya dalam perkara perkembangan Malaysia dengan Kerajaan kita mengekalkan Indonesia, bukan 3939 11 MARCH 1963 3940 kemerdekaan kita yang dapat sa-bagai bentok sekarang ini.
jangan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, memandang kapada keadaan2 yang berkembang ini- lah saya dengan rasa pandangan yang jauh membawakan usul ini supaya kalau-lah Lord Silkerk sudah membawa perkara itu kapada Indonesia maka tidak-lah salah dan tidak-lah menjadi malu atau turun darjat dan akhlak Persekutuan Tanah Melayu dengan mengadakan perundingan awal atau pun mengadakan hal2 mengekalkan keamanan dan perdamaian dan saling mengerti supaya timbul per sengketaan itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.
Kata orang Arab dalam satu shaer-nya yang bererti ia-itu luka gigi boleh dapat bertaup balek, tetapi luka yang di-tim- bulkan oleh lidah tidak dapat-lah ber taup.

Ini-lah perkara yang saya bimbang kerana kita menambah dalamkan parut luka itu yang mana nanti tidak akan dapat di-sembohkan.

Kebimbangan ini- lah saya berasa bahawa usul ini akan dapat memberikan kesadaran kapada kita bersama dan mudah2an dapat-lah kita setuju dengan usul ini bagi ber- damai.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, usul saya ini bagaimana yang saya katakan ia-lah dengan tujuan benar2 hendak mengekal kan keamanan dan kebaikan berhubong dengan negara2 tetangga kita, bukan sahaja Indonesia bahkan semua negara di-sakeliling kita.

perkara2 Pada hari Ahad yang lalu dalam Utusan Zaman, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, timbul-lah satu alamat yang baik ia-itu Tengku sedia berjumpa Soekarno, Macapagal, membinchangkan soal ber- damai.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau-lah hal ini di-sadari dari mula sa-belum berlaku-nya itu dengan apa yang saya telah pandang pada masa yang lalu itu dapat di- timbangkan dan di-fikirkan maka per- sengketaan itu dapat di-elak dan di- padamkan.

Bagitu juga kesan2 burok yang akan timbul dari parut luka itu tidak ada kelihatan, oleh itu kekal-lah semangat kita dan ketenteraman bagi kita sa-keturunan ini tidak dapat di- chelah oleh anasir2 yang chuba hendak merosakkan perhubongan kita.
dan dan yang tajam berlaku deplomat-nya tiap2 satu Kerajaan saya rasa usul saya ini saya harap-lah dapat di-timbangkan dan di-terima.
Dengan perkara2 yang mungkin ada timbul lagi sa-bagaimana yang sudah timbul pada masa usul saya ini di- kemukakan, pertelagahan kita dan per- sengketaan kita dengan Indonesia tidak sa-besar yang ada pada masa sekarang ini, maka untok mengelakkan perkara2 yang berlaku saperti itu manakala ada gejala2 atau semboyan2 yang boleh itu, menimbulkan persengketaan kita sa-bagaimana yang kita ma'alum baha itu chukup wa dengan chukup dengan intelligence-nya, chukup dengan orang bijak pandai-nya yang boleh runching-nya meninjau pertelagahan dalam masaalah2 ini.
Dalam segi International bahawa United Nations ada-lah satu badan yang tidak biasa—tidak menye- belah ka-sana sini atau pun dengan tujuan untok mengelakkan segala per kara yang boleh menimbulkan kachau bilau dan mengelokkan keelokan per damaian dunia atau pun perdamaian satu2 supaya perkara kita dengan kesadaran dan keinsafan, kita chukup dengan ahli2 bijak pandai dan deplomat2 kita supaya menyiasat dan memikirkan supaya kita jangan rugi banyak dalam perbelanjaan persengketaan dan bermusoh2an, apa lagi di-jauhkan Tuhan dengan pe- perangan maka kita bawakan perkara ini kapada United Nations, tidak-lah dengan membawakan perkara ini ka pada United Nations itu boleh memalu- kan dan menjatohkan maruah kita.
jangan berlaku, tempat, maka itu-lah lagi ini Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kerana dengan hujah2 yang akan menolak usul saya ini, ia-itu di-sebabkan kita tidak ada kena-mengena dengan perkara itu, dan kalau kita buat perundingan itu, maka akan jatoh maruah kita, saya rasa per kara yang timbul sa-macham ini kalau di-timbang2kan, belum-lah dapat di- duga oleh dunia2 bebas, atau mana2 pehak, atau negara yang berjiran dengan kita yang mungkin menjadi tanda tanya ia-itu tidak ada satu per kara pun yang tidak boleh di-selesai- kan dengan baik dengan jiran kita.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan ada- itu nya langkah2 dan siaran saperti Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya ini dapat harap supaya usul saya 3941 11 MARCH 1963 3942 di-terima dan di-timbangkan dengan baik-nya ia-itu dengan tidak di-tukar- kan akan tujuan-nya yang asal itu.
kita Pehak United Nations nampak-nya telah menghantar orang2-nya untok meninjau melihat keadaan di-sini, dan ini saya perchaya akan lebeh baik lagi sendiri mengendorkan kalau ketegangan yang saperti itu, kerana kesunggohan dan kejujuran kita dalam menegakkan erti perdamaian yang menjadi perhatian United Nations untok mengendorkan ketegangan sa perti itu.
ini dalam negara sa-mata2 sa-buah kita Saya menegaskan bukan kerana suasana confrontasi Indonesia itu, tetapi kita sa-bagai yang merdeka, akan mengekalkan keamanan dan kema'moran negeri kita dan kita akan menjadikan negara kita ini bagi merupakan kemerdekaan yang sunggoh2 dan berseh daripada pengaroh2 penjajah dan pengaroh2- nya itu mungkin akan menimbulkan sengkita dengan kita pula.
Saya rasa, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, memadai-lah saya beri penerangan akan sebab2-nya maka saya kemukakan usul saya berharap mendapat pertimbangan dan sokongan daripada seluroh Ahli2 Dewan ini.

ini, dan saya Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah (Kota Bharu Hilir): Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya menyokong usul ini dan saya akan berchakap di-atas per- bahathan usul ini nanti.
Enche' Yong Woo Ming (Sitiawan): Mr Speaker, Sir, I believe that the intention of the motion moved by the Honourable Member for Besut is what the Alliance Government has now been carrying out.

Our Government has time and time again declared that it affirms its pledge to uphold the United Nations' Charter and to abide by it.

It is, there fore, erroneous and a political stunt on the part of the P.I.M.P.
to mislead the public the Alliance Government never abides by, or never contributes to the maintenance of peace under, the United Nations Charter.

Sir, I would like to say that Malaya never hesitated, for example, to send the Malayan troops to serve under to believe that in United Nations flag the Congo.

Malaya does believe that through the United Nations could be found a to solution settlement a peaceful between countries.
The Alliance Government has repeatedly brought to the attention of the Security Council of the many atrocities committed and also has contributed valuable sugges tions to their settlement.

Sir, it is, therefore, foolish to suggest or to imply that Malaya has not resorted to the settlement of for United Nations crisis.

Mr Speaker, Sir, this motion has been brought up, I believe, because of the confrontation policy of Indonesia towards Malaya.
We appreciate the interest shown, but the wording of the motion has disturbed us to believe in its sincerity.

Sir, Malaya has done whatever possible to reach an amicable understanding with Indonesia but it has always been the policy of Indonesia to subvert our national security by its present confrontation policy.

What the Alliance Government is now doing is expected to be done by any decent Government.

Yet, in this hour, we still hope that Indonesia can come to an understanding with us.
Mr Speaker, Sir, under our Prime Minister, the Honourable Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra, Malaya has, in fact, been pursuing all avenues of maintain ing peaceful relationship with other countries.

The Alliance Government offers peace and understanding towards Indonesians who, in turn, have their confrontation policy to offer us.

Are we to be blamed for the worsening of the situation and the widening of the differences?

The answer is obviously "No".


As you can see, Sir, the motion before the House is a mischievous one and is framed to deceive and mislead the the people into believing Malayan Government never pursued in peaceful solutions.

There fore, Sir, may I ask the Honourable Member to withdraw this motion?

that has Sir, in conclusion, let me say that always solutions and the Alliance Government believes in peaceful 3943 11 MARCH 1963 3944 pursues all avenues of maintaining peaceful relations with its neighbours.
If you permit me, Sir, I would say this: I hope that the P.I.M.P.

does not invite our neighbouring country to become our cruel master!

Muga2 Tuhan akan menjaga tanah ayer kita dan memberi kema'amoran dan kema- juan Terima kaseh.

(Applause).

ra'ayat-nya.

kapada Enche' D. R. Seenivasagam (Ipoh): Mr Speaker, Sir, the last Honourable Member has asked the Mover of the motion to kindly withdraw the motion.
I wonder how he expects him to co operate when he would not even give his party the honour of being called by i.e.

P.M.I.P., instead of which he said "PIMP" which means pimp {Laughter).

There fore, I do not think that co-operation will be forthcoming.

its proper name, Mr Speaker: I believe that is only a slip of the tongue.
the Indonesia, Enche' D. R. Seenivasagam: Mr Speaker, Sir, the motion which has been moved is of very grave importance and significance to this country, to the people of this country, to the proposed Malaysian territories, and to Indonesia in particular, because there is no doubt that had it not been for the present confrontation crisis created by policy adopted by this motion perhaps would not have been thought necessary by anybody in this House.
As far as the People's Pro gressive Party of Malaya is concerned, we say this: that to meet the confron tation policy adopted by Indonesia all citizens of this country—and indeed all the residents of this country—should be in unity to oppose the confrontation policy and support this Government or any government in power in its opposition to the confrontation policy of Indonesia.
(Applause) Mr Speaker, Sir, I have to stand up here to say that consistently in this House, and outside this House, we have always had a bad least—for it at word—to put Indonesia and her leaders' conception of democracy, because we feel that that is not democracy as we know it.

the Now, it is suggested in this motion is a crisis we that whenever there should run to the United Nations.
The United Nations is an organisation which will interfere, perhaps, at the invitation of other nations, if those nations think that it is necessary for the United Nations to come in.

As far as we are concerned, as a nation with dignity and honour, I think it is our duty to be prepared to meet any threat from any external force from any part of the world—be it Indonesia or be it any other country.

{Applause) We are a small nation, that is true.

We are not a warlike nation, but we must be ready.


If people want to fight us, we fight back.

And I would say that almost one hundred per cent of the people of this country of whatever race they are, of whatever descendants they are, will stand behind this House when we decide, as I hope we will decide today, that we must be prepared if necessary to fight Indonesia and her confrontation policy at all times with all the resources available to the people of this country.
Now, I have used the word "fight", but it is clear from the newspapers that this attempts are being made by Government and by other interested parties to bring an end to the crisis created by the confrontation policy.

In particular, I think, if you refer to the newspapers of today, you will see that the Deputy Prime Minister is quite happy with his trip to where he met the representatives of these nations, and perhaps something good may come out.
the Opposition of Now, let us consider how this crisis came about, and it is on that issue that I think the Alliance Government, of which the last speaker has so much praise, must stand condemned, because the Malaysia plan when mooted was opposed by this House on certain grounds.

And in fact it was I who said, "If you put through Malaysia according to the Prime Minis t e r 's plan, you will bring misery to the people of the Malaysian territories, and not a happy Malaysia."
I am sorry to say—I won't say I am glad—that that prediction appears to be coming true, because slowly but surely upheaval, resentment and revolts are taking place in the Malaysian territories after the Prime Minister of the Federation declared what sort of Malaysia he is 3945 11 MARCH 1963 3946 in having.

Therefore, the fault must be borne by the Federation Government for the bungling of Malaysia and its plan.
We have always said that we would favour the formation of Malay sia, but we have also said that we oppose the form of Malaysia which has been put forward and which the Inter-Governmental Committee now recommends.

It has shown the misery that it can bring to the other countries.
It has shown the necessity for the abuse by the elected Governments of Singa pore and the Federation of the Internal Security these laws which exist countries—that is misery being brought on the people of these countries to such an extent that even elected mem bers of the people are not sitting in this House today to express the voice of their constituents.
I would like to make it clear that I am not commenting on the particular case of the Member for Setapak, because I do not know enough to say whether justification there for his arrest or there is no justification for it—a Government statement will be issued, I am sure, in due course— but I do stand up here to say that the confrontation policy was an outcome of the Malaysia plan.
I stand here to say that we condemn the use of the emergency powers in this country to suppress people from speaking about opposition to Malaysia.

I stand here to condemn the principle of arrest and detention without trial, and it is to that extent that I refer to the arrest of the Member for Setapak and in no other connection whatsoever.
is in to answer that crisis and Mr. Speaker, Sir, I cannot stand up here and support this motion because, as I said earlier, as an independent nation, our duty first is to solve any crisis this that may be created country by anyone.
It is our duty to be to ready defend ourselves against all external aggression or external threat; and here it is necessary for us to appreciate that this while I said we stand behind in Government or any government meeting this external threat, the people of this country will for that purpose, and for that purpose only, forget that they are members of any political organisation and remember that they are citizens of this country defending their own country.
Once we solve or preserve our sovereignty and integrity, then our fight as members of various political parties will be carried on to its ultimate objective without any let-up where the internal policy of this Go vernment is concerned.
And I do hope that all parties in this House, whether they form the Government side or the Opposition side, would consider what I have said and would declare their stand that where external aggression and threat is concerned, all Malayans will stand as one without any political affiliations.

Thank you (Applause).


the terms opposed Enche' V. David: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Member for Sitiawan took a dra matic stand when he made serious allegations and accusations against the Mover of the motion, and in his accusa tions he said that the Mover is disloyal to this country.

Sir, on various occa sions we have heard of serious accusa tions of disloyalty in this House.
But, Sir, the question of loyalty or disloyalty cannot be judged by a person expres sing his honest views and genuine facts in the interest of the nation.

My Party and myself, though accepting the con cept of Malaysia, have from the very of beginning Malaysia as envisaged by the Prime Minister and the Alliance Government.

We are not going to be threatened or intimidated by the arrests.

We will continue to do so, and we stand by it.


Sir, today we find that our colleague the Member is missing; tomorrow many more may be missing.

But we know that truth will always prevail.

Sir, during the last few days and weeks there had been several telephone calls and advices to me not to express my honest opinion on Malaysia.

Some had even said, "The moment you land, after the Conference at Colombo, you will be arrested at the Airport."

But, we did not run away.

We have come back here.


Sir, a person's thoughts, a person's views, cannot be sabotaged by threats and intimidation.

You can arrest hundreds of people, but their feelings and aspira tions will always remain with them forever.

Today I can see no other solution except the solution which has for Setapak 3947 11 MARCH 1963 3948 been proposed by Besut.

the Member for and Sir, the new and independent nation of ours has a main task ahead.
We are deeply involved and concerned over economic construction and national development.

In the present situation, if we are dragged into a cold war, our main resources will be drained for defence.

The sons of the soil of this country have witnessed the second world war; they have experienced the the the difficulties, miseries, famine during the second world war.

We do not want that to be repeated again.


As others in other parts of the world would like to have peace, we in this part of the world would also clamour for peace and prosperity.

Today, even big nations when they are provoked and they always irritated, feel that peace should be adhered to and advocate that war should not be invited.
However, unfortunately, in the few ruling Party here, we have a members who make irresponsible utterances, provocative utterances; and as a result of this we might be dragged into a war which could be easily avoided.

in to find out Sir, the United Nations is deeply this concerned over the situation part of the world and as a result the United Nations has sent Mr Narasim- han the exact position.

During his stay in this country, he met the Deputy the Prime Minister and Prime Minister.
He has now gone back with a clear mind and in time to come he will be reporting to the Secretary- General of the United Nations.

The United Nations will be briefed on the entire situation and the position that is developing in this part of the world.

This motion.

Sir, calls upon the Government if a serious crisis takes place the matter be referred to for a peaceful the United Nations settlement.
As I said, we are not prepared to go into a cold war when there is still an opportunity to find a peaceful solution.

that Sir, from the time the question of Malaysia arose in this country, certain events had taken place in Singapore and in the Federation—there have been and back, mass arrests which are not justified in any democratic form of Government; arrests have taken place in respect of top trade union leaders, top politicians, who have been dedicated to the masses.
those arrested have been None of offered the normal course of justice.

They have been taken in during the night, they have been taken in while walking on the streets, they have been arrested in restaurants, and one was flown arrested while travelling to Tanganyika to attend a conference.

All these events drive us to the conclusion, or rather to ask, "Are we moving towards democracy, or are we moving towards a dictatorial method of Government, or a Fascist government?"
Sir, the more a nation is oppressed, is suppressed, ultimately that nation will rise to find out the truth, as we all know that all powers are corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Since the ruling Party has got an overwhelming majority in this House, it has always thought fit to do what it wanted and to do things regardless of any justice, and regardless of inter national repercussions.

the more a nation Sir, we in this part of the House are keen to build up a healthy Malayan nation.
We are desirous and are conscious of the necessity of building a prosperous nation.

We are respon that our sible people and we feel it that nation should advance and should become one of the most powerful nations as far as peace is concerned in South-East Asia.

We are not a big nation, but we are big in spirit, we are big in thoughts, and we also have other qualities which other nations may not have; nevertheless, let us not be overdrunk with power.
Let us not that we can do anything we like, just because you have an overwhelming majority.

We in this part of the House are constitu tionally entitled to disagree; we are constitutionally entitled to oppose, and to we are constitutionally express what we want to express.
As elected representatives, we feel that it is time that the Government should give serious thought to the question of amicable how to bring about an entitled think 3949 11 MARCH 1963 3950 I Indonesia remember, between still settlement in respect of the prevailing and situation Malaya.

if my memory serves me correctly, that the Prime Minister of this country in this very House has said.

"The Indonesians are our blood brothers" and I appeal, "Let the blood brothers not fight."
Let to our us find a peaceful solution problem.

We have many in common with Indonesia—geographi cally, historically and culturally—and a war between Indonesia and Malaya will be only to the advantage of the Western powers.

The Western powers are keen to provoke both nations involved in this dispute.

They are just watching what will happen and to take advantage of the situation.
Let us not open ourselves and allow the Wester the SEATO powers and ners, the take control of to NATO powers, the entire situation.

things representation Sir, as I said earlier, the Government has made the arrest of the Member for Setapak for vocally expressing his views on Malaysia.

His arrest terms.

As an is unjustified in all elected representative of more than 20,000 people, who had confidence to return him to this House, today he is to represent his constituency unable members.
These people have been deprived of this House.

Nevertheless, Sir, we will not be surprised if many more are pulled the in, but I would Government that this will not lead the nation this will not lead to prosperity.

This will only degrade the nation that we are hoping to build in this part of the world—a nation endowed with pros perity.

Sir, let the ruling Party be not overdrunk with power.

The arrests in Singapore and the Borneo territories during the past few months make a mockery of democracy.
towards democracy and the arrests to warn like in in Mr Speaker: That is not relevant.

Enche' V. David: Sir, in all sincerity, I ask this House to give serious consi deration to the establishment of peace between Indonesia and Malaya.

Thank you.

Sitting suspended at 1.00 p.m.

Sitting resumed at 430 p.m. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) PERSEKUTUAN TANAH MELAYU MENJALANKAN IKHTIAR2 YANG AMAN DAN DAMAI DI-DALAM DENGAN PERHUBONGAN-NYA NEGARA TETANGGA Debate resumed.
Enche' Chin See Yin (Seremban Timor): Mr Speaker, Sir, the motion before us refers to the problems con fronting this country, and the confron tation has no doubt caused a crisis.

Sir, in the face of external threats to the United this country my Party, Democratic Party, calls for a united stand.

We stand behind the Government for the defence of the country.
How ever, Sir, this does not imply that we accept Malaysia of the type which the Alliance Government is proposing, because of the haste, the manner and the method of adopting it.

Nor are we prepared to accept a Greater Malaysia which was recently proposed.

We want a Malaysia that will in fact give the people of free movement in trade, employment and, the practice of equality.

above all, term as That "Happy Malaysia".


the Malaysian State is what we would in the Now, speaking on the question of the use of arbitrary powers of arrest, we are in full agreement with the action taken on subversive elements.

But, Sir, if we have sufficient evidence to warrant action against them, then we say it is only proper and right true practice of democracy to bring these people for trial in open court.

Then the people will know more about the workings of these subversive elements.
I do not propose to go further than what I have said because there are other motions coming up.

For these reasons we feel that we would not support the motion before us to bring this matter before the United Nations just now.
Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid (Seberang Utara): Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya bangun untok membang- kang usul ini dengan sa-kuat2-nya oleh kerana, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-lah 3951 11 MARCH 1963 3952 ini ada sekarang ketegangan2 perkataan dalam usul ini tidak pun di-sebutkan dengan tegas-nya perti- ini.

kaian yang berlaku Chuma yang di-sebutkan Tanah Me- layu hendak-lah menjalankan ikhtiar yang aman dan damai dalam perhu- bongan dengan negara tetangga dan yang sa-kira-nya merunchingkan.
Jadi, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya sangat-lah hairan di-atas perkataan usul ini yang berbunyi sa- kira-nya ini ber- ada ketegangan, ma'ana-lah Yang Berhormat dari Besut itu pura2 tidak mengetahui dengan ada- kerunchingan nya ketegangan dan dengan negara tetangga kita.

Yang Berhormat itu sengaja hendak katakan tidak ada satu ketegangan yang mana seluroh dunia tahu bahawa ada dengan jelas-nya kerunchingan dengan Indone sia.
Usul ini meminta kapada Kerajaan menjalankan ikhtiar yang aman dan damai, sa-bagai sa-orang warga negara saya juga berasa hairan atas diri atau pendirian Yang Berhormat dari Besut yang sa-lama ini telah berada dalam Dewan sa-bagai warga negara, tidak tahu bahawa Kerajaan kita sen- tiasa menjalankan ikhtiar dan langkah bagi mengekalkan keamanan berbaik2 di-antara negara kita dengan negara2 tetangga kita dan juga menjauhi dari- pada berlaku-nya pertikaian dengan negara2 yang berbaik2 dan yang ada perjanjian persahabatan dengan negara kita.
Jadi dengan mengatakan Kerajaan kita menchuaikan di-atas perkara ini ada-lah satu perkara yang tidak ber- asas sama sa-kali.

Sa-bagaimana kita dengan negara ia-itu sa-lepas merdeka, kita-lah yang meng- adakan perjanjian persahabatan yang mula2 sa-kali dengan negara tetangga kita ia-itu Indonesia, dan sa-lain dari- pada mengadakan perjanjian persaha telah memberi bantuan batan, kita moral dan saperti juga kebendaan menghulurkan bantuan sa-takat mana yang kita boleh beri.
Jadi, kalau pehak pembangkang mengatakan kita sengaja chuaikan dalam perkara itu, saya fikir itu tidak kena pada tempat-nya, dan kalau hendak di-tudoh kapada Kera jaan kita yang chuma ada ra'ayat jelata-nya sa-banyak 7 juta, maka tidak ada sebab kita hendak menchari fasal dengan negara yang besar yang mem- punyai' 90 juta manusia dan ini ada- tetangga kita lah satu perkara yang tidak dapat di-terima oleh akal.
Kita bukan men chari pergadohan atau perselisehan, tetapi sa-balek-nya pehak negara te tangga kita sendiri yang menchari sebab untok pergadohan itu.

Kita telah hendak beberapa kali menchuba tetapi mengelakkan perselisehan telah di-datangkan bermacham2 tu- dohan pada kita yang tidak berasas sama sa-kali.

itu.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita pernah mengalami kesusahan sejak berada di- bawah pemerentahan penjajah dahulu dan kita sendiri insaf dan sedar bagai- mana susah-nya kita dalam keadaan saperti itu, oleh yang demikian kita telah berikhtiar dengan sa-daya upaya untok membebaskan diri kita bagi mendapatkan kemerdekaan, dan sa- lepas merdeka dan berdaulat, Yang Berhormat Perdana Menteri kita telah berikhtiar supaya negara2 yang maseh itu di-bebaskan dengan sa- di-jajah ka-empat2 chara menyatu-padukan ranchangan itu.
Dalam buah negeri ini, ada bermacham2 yang menyebab- kan timbul-nya pertikaian.

Ada yang menudoh bahawa ranchangan Malaysia itu sa-bagai neo-colonialist.

Ini satu perkara yang tidak berasas, kerana kita ada-lah berdiri tegoh bagi membebas kan negeri2 yang di-bawah ta'alok penjajah.
Kita chukup sabar, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-atas beberapa per te kara daripada perbuatan negara sabar chukup tangga itu manakala negara tetangga kita mengistiharkan dasar confrontasi ter- hadap kita, dan kita juga dapat tahu yang nelayan2 kita di-buru sa-hingga sampai ka-pantai perayeran kita.
Kita tahu bahawa nelayan2 Indonesia telah mendapat bantuan dengan kapal perang ia-itu sama ada dari tentera laut atau pun tentera udara-nya bagi muatan tentera2-nya, dan banyak lagi tudohan2 yang berhubong sokongan moral di-atas pemberontakan di-Brunei, maka semua-nya tahu dan bagi kita tidak mengambil apa2 lang kah untok hendak memutuskan perhu- bongan perjanjian persahabatan dengan negara tetangga kita tetap dengan pendirian kita, tetapi sa-hingga mana- kah dapat kita bersabar?

Sa-bagai itu.
Sa-bagai itu.

Kita maseh tegas-nya ini kita dengan kita, atau kita 3953 11 MARCH 1963 3954 sa-buah negara yang berdaulat, kita sa- mesti-lah berdiri barang anchaman yang akan merosak- kan kita, dan kedaulatan kita.

atas kema'amoran tegoh di-atas Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak-lah berasa bimbang sangat di-atas ancha man yang datang dari luar negeri itu, tetapi yang saya bimbangkan ia-lah anchaman subversive yang ada dalam negara kita ini.
Ini-lah satu perkara sangat2 di-takuti oleh mana2 yang negara sa-kali pun dan dengan ada-nya pergerakan subversive yang meluas itu, ini akan menjatohkan sa-sabuah Kera jaan walau bagaimana kuat-nya pen- dirian Kerajaan itu sa-kali pun.

Jadi, langkah yang di-ambil oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Keselamatan Da lam Negeri itu sangat-lah sa-suai pada tempat-nya untok menghindarkan sa- berlaku daya sa-barang kekachauan dalam negeri ini supaya jangan terjadi saperti pembe- rontakan di-Brunei itu.
Sa-bagaimana yang kita tahu, sa-sudah penyeludupan di-jalankan dalam beberapa tahun di- Brunei itu, maka dengan serta-merta negeri itu hendak di-ta'aloki dengan sa-chara haram.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mengenai pemberontakan di-Brunei itu, kita semua tahu bahawa pehak PAS dengan tidak sa-chara langsong telah mengiktirafkan Kerajaan pemberon takan di-Brunei itu dengan menggelar- kan Azahari sa-bagai Tuan Yang Terutama, yang berma'ana bahawa Azahari telah di-pileh menjadi Gover nor bagi negeri itu .

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upaya-nya daripada .

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Mr Speaker: Order!

Order!

Apa ada kena-mengena Azahari dengan usul yang ada ini.

Saya fikir ini sudah ter- keluar daripada perkara ini!

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pertikaian ini ada berkaitan dengan pemberontak di- Brunei, maka dengan sebab itu-lah saya hendak beri penjelasan sadikit.
Pada masa itu kita telah menghantar Pasokan Polis kita untok mengawal ahli2 perkhidmatan kita yang sedang berkhidmat dengan Kerajaan Brunei, tetapi pehak PAS telah membangkang, sa-keras2-nya membangkang dengan dengan segala hujah2-nya yang menga- takan Kerajaan Persekutuan tidak patut polis2 kita menghantar ka-Brunei.

Pada hari ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita ada satu usul yang menegor Kara- jaan, bagi menasihat Kerajaan supaya Kerajaan berikhtiar jangan jadi ber- gadoh dengan negara tetangga kita.
Ini satu perkara yang sangat berlainan daripada dasar-nya yang di-jalankan oleh pehak pembangkang itu.

1962 Perkara yang kedua ia-lah meminta supaya Kerajaan mengadukan perkara ini kapada Pertubohan Bangsa2 Ber- satu.
Pada pendapat saya, perkara ini ta' payah-lah di-adukan kapada Per tubohan Bangsa2 Bersatu, kerana perkara ini memang ada dalam penga- tahuan Bangsa2 Bersatu, dan pada dahulu bulan Ogos tahun perkara Persekutuan Malaysia ini sudah pun ada dalam pengetahuan Pertubohan Bangsa2 Bersatu, dan juga ikrar telah di-buat oleh Menteri Luar Indonesia bahawa tidak akan mengganggu Persekutuan Malay sa-balek-nya sia yang baharu ini.
timbul pergadohan pada masa Jadi, ini satu perkara yang memang ada Pertubohan perhatian Bangsa2 Bersatu, dan pada pendapat saya, ini bukan-lah masa-nya yang patut di-ambil champor tangan, kerana perkara yang besar biasa terjadi saperti mana yang berlaku di-Tibet, Hungary lagi yang mana Bangsa2 dan Bersatu tidak champor tangan.
Indonesia dalam lain2 itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, satu perkara yang telah di-sebutkan oleh beberapa Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada pehak Pembangkang ia-lah berkenaan dengan penangkapan Yang Berhormat dari Setapak.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam Perlembagaan kita ada menetapkan ia- itu di-beri itu kebebasan sa-saorang dengan sa-penoh-nya dengan sharat mengikut undang2.

Dalam Dewan ini telah meluluskan satu undang2 kita yang khas mengenai keselamatan dalam negeri.
Dan menjadi kewajipan dan tanggong-jawab Menteri yang ber kenaan melaksanakan undang2 ini.

sangat2 Sebab itu-lah perkara mustahak di-laksanakan oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri kerana Dewan ini telah meluluskan undang2.

Dan tidak payah di-bangkitkan perkara ini kerana undang2 itu telah di-adakan.

ini 3955 11 MARCH 1963 3956 the The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, you might recall that I broached the subject of the Malaysia concept early in 1961.
At Indonesian first Government appeared to receive the news with only a mild interest.

In November, 1961, in a letter to the New York Times, Dr Subandrio wished good luck to Malaysia.

About a year later Dr Subandrio, other Indonesian leaders and the Indonesian Press took the charge of "neo-colonialism" up which, Indonesian Communist were the first to use the word.

incidentally the should is now Malaysia represented by Indonesia as a "threat" to her.
The virulence of Indonesia's political and propaganda campaign reminds me of the confrontation against Dutch colo nialism in the Irian Barat case.

But that Indonesia Malaysia cannot be compared to Irian Barat, to which Indonesia laid claim.

Indonesia that Malaysia is a federation which will incorporate 15 states to form a sove reign is destined to improve the prospects of peace and and progress, security of South-East Asia.
independent nation which remember stability should note take that to consult We have also been accused by the Member for Besut of not having dis cussed the Malaysia Plan with Indone sia right from the start.

I wish to make it quite clear that it would have been the wrong on our part Indonesian Government on this matter, since this was a matter for the people of the Borneo territories concerned and for the British Government.
In the cir it was cumstances we believe sufficient for Lord Selkirk, the United Kingdom Commissioner-General for South-East Asia to proceed to Djakarta and acquaint the Indonesian authorities with details of the Malaysia Plan.

In any case the Indonesian Ambassador here was kept well informed about Malaysia and as far as I know he kept a very lively interest in the matter.

He was invited to attend—and he did attend—the many sessions we had here of the Malaysia Solidarity Committee meeting in 1962.
The Borneo territories were not the that we claimed something like are these could territories before we Indonesians' claim over West Irian.

Malaysia could come about, as we have said and stressed time and time again, if the territories concerned were pre pared to come together and join it.

There is no force, no coercion used at all.

As I said, and I repeat it—it arises out of the free will of the people of all these territories concerned.
It would be wrong therefore for Malaya to explain the Malaysian Plan to Djakarta at the early stage when the position was so know nebulous whether the territories concerned would want to join in on terms which we have been discussing.

It was proper for the British to explain to the Indonesian Government or, in fact, to any govern ment who are interested in the plan because still British.

In fact, Britain has gone to great length to to explain Indonesia.
How much they understand it or how much they care to under stand it—I do not know.

Until a few days back in fact we do not know if the respective territories would accept Inter- the Governmental Committee.

In fact the Report Inter-Governmental Committee has not come to this House and it has not even been discussed by the party in power.
Once these terms and conditions of the Borneo territories and Singapore have been finally agreed by all concerned it would perhaps be possible for Malaya to inform her friends of the shape of Malaysia and to ask for their fair co operation to make it a success.

It is unfortunate that Indonesia is too im patient with Malaya and would not wait to find out the true reasons and nature of things.

Or can we be justified in saying that this is not a reason but merely an excuse to besmirch us.
recommendations of the entry of the plan the the of If Indonesia had been unhappy about the formation of Malaysia, why did the Indonesian Government not use the normal diplomatic machinery to inform us so earlier?

After all, I had mooted the Malaysia concept as early as May 27, 1961.

Nearly six months later, Dr Subandrio wrote in a letter to the New York Times that Indonesia had no objection against the Malaysia project.
He said that his reference to 3957 11 MARCH 1963 3958 any toward Malaysia was to give, I quote—"an example of our honesty and lack of intent."

Dr Subandrio expansionist added: "One-fourth of the island of Kalimantan consisting of three crown colonies of Britain, was now becoming the target of the Malayan Government for a merger.

Of course the people there are ethnologically and geographi cally very close to the others living in Indonesian territory.
Still, we do not show this objection the Malayan policy of merger.

On contrary, we wish the Malayan Govern ment well—if it can succeed with this plan."

Well, that was his opinion of the Malaysia Plan which he had pub licly made known in America when he was there.

Therefore, it comes as a great surprise that he has taken such a strong line of opposition against it.

He had not objected to Malaysia in 1961.


Only in the latter half of 1962 did he come out strongly in opposition to Malaysia which he now described as I said, after the fashion of the Com munists, as "neo-colonialism."
It saddens our hearts to realise how the Indonesian Government, in blatant defiance of generally accepted princi ples of international relations and in complete disregard of the Treaty of Friendship which binds the people of Indonesia and the people of Malaya together, has seen fit not only to con demn but to encourage forces of dis in Malaysia, as it has now ruption come out openly to show how much support they have given to the case of the Brunei rebellion.
to The support which the Indonesian these evil is giving Government forces may be due perhaps to internal reasons.

But that is not for me to say.

But it should consider carefully the grave repercussions which are likely to flow from hasty and impulsive actions which may be sparked off by the policy of this so-called "confrontation".

The lives and happiness of millions of people in both countries and in other countries around here in South-East Asia generally are at stake.
They should not be placed in jeopardy and it is my earnest hope and prayer that reason and good sense will in the end prevail.

the Indonesian It is important that I sound a note of warning here.

Our Government and our people will hold the Indonesian Government, leaders, solely responsible for any consequences as the result of their policy of confron tation.
Ours, as has been mentioned by the Honourable Member who spoke just now, is a small country, a country of merely seven million people, and it is not our intention to fight; neither have we the means to fight against the forces which are at the command of Indonesia so many times larger than we are.

But we know, because of the right and legitimate aspirations of the people of these territories, Malaysia is well supported and well backed by our friends the Commonwealth—in fact, the whole free world.
I am grateful for the first time to the Honourable Member for Ipoh this who said country are 100 per cent behind us.

(Applause).

I have no doubt that Great Britain, who are treaty bound to defend us in case of attack, will come to our help if and when we are attacked.

the countries of the people of in all that Sir, I see in the Press this morning that I was quoted as having involved Australia in this affair of ours.

I was quoted as saying that Australia would come to our aid in the event of war.
What I meant in the context of my speech was that as she is a member of the Commonwealth which has strategic defence force in the Federation and as she has openly said that she supports Malaysia, she too would surely rally to our help.
If my statement yesterday had been read and construed to mean that Australia had given an under taking, or had come to some under standing with us, to fight for us in the event of an attack by Indonesia, then I say here and now that I am sorry for having caused Australia so much embarrassment.

I can tell Honourable Members of this House that there has been no such understanding between Australia and ourselves.
Therefore, I hope that the Australian Government would not misconstrue what 1 had said yesterday in a public rally in Malacca.

On the policy of confrontation, we the sought clarification from have 3959 11 MARCH 1963 3960 Indonesian Government on its policy of confrontation and we have not had a reply.

In fact, we have never had a reply to anything we wrote to them.
We have sent two further notes— though it is a waste of time to do that nevertheless, we are duty bound to do received any so—but we have not reply.

We have also sent a protest note on the Indonesian gunboats terrorising our fishermen in the Malayan waters.

Again, we have not received a reply.

It is indeed strange that those who talk loudest about diplomatic proprie ties do not have much respect for such proprieties.
In this respect, Honourable Members would wish me to explain, or to place on record, the fact that there are a number of instances in which notes addressed by the Ministry of External Affairs to the Indonesian Government have not elicited replies from that Government.

Indonesian Government spokesmen and the Indonesian Press have also been indulging in attacks on my person which, of course, are immaterial to me personally.
It is sufficient for me to remind them that in Malaya the office of Prime Minister is not the creation of one man, or a group of men but, under parliamentary democratic system, it is the creation of the people them selves.

I am not here as a result of acquiescence or apathy amongst the people of Malaya.
I am not here, as I have just said, as a result of my own doing: our Party had to fight and fight hard to put me where I am, I remember an occasion when a certain country was annoyed with what I had said in this Parliament and had suggested to the late King, the first Yang di-Pertuan Agong, to sack me.

The late King replied, "It is not for me, and neither have I the power, to sack the Prime Minister; on the other hand the people under the Prime Minister can sack me."
That is the working of parliamen tary democratic system by which the Party is elected by the people and their Prime Minister exists as a result of goodwill or as a result of the desire of the people or the Party itself.

So, this campaign of vituperation against my person reached, as you will under stand, a level of pettiness and complete disregard for truth—and this, accus tomed as I am to personal attacks, took me completely by surprise.
But, as I have had occasion to say, attack me as much as they like, burn my effigy with as many matches as they like; on the other hand do not attack my country, because if they attack my country, then I feel the affront of it (Applause), and so do the people here.

To us, small country as ours is we cannot afford any other country to belittle us in the eyes of our own people.

If to attack our country, we are ready to defend and fight.
they dare is that implies is Indonesian confrontation policy extremely dangerous.

It is misrepre sentation of a mischievous kind for the Member for Besut, the leader of PMIP, to have said in his Hari Raya message that our two countries should desist from this policy of confrontation.

That policy, in fact, is not ours but it is Indonesia's directed against us.

Now the Member for Besut calls us to account because of it.
The Govern ment, of course, is gratified to note that the Member for Besut interested only in peace and in prosperity.

How ever, he the present dispute is not the result of Indonesia's confrontation policy.

He maintains a strange silence, a very strange silence, over Indonesia's sabre rattling: for example, the threat to burn Malayan ships, Dr Subandrio's warning of incidents of physical violence.

Why does not the PMIP tender its advice to the Indonesian Government as well?
Perhaps, the clue to the Honourable Member's thinking may be found in his remarks that we cannot avoid this confrontation.

He may not have—I do not charge him or at any time suspect it—but he seems to share the Marxist theory of historical inevitability—I do not know what that means.

(Laughter).

I dare say that he sincerely believes that the Indonesian Government is free from blame, because Indonesia's threat, Indonesia's brinkmanship, Indonesia's confrontasi, are inevitable or unavoid able.
So, we can understand why he blames only the Malayan Government in relations with Indonesia.

the worsening of 3961 11 MARCH 1963 3962 One reason which we have been offered in explanation of the confronta tion policy is that Malaya poses a threat to Indonesia.

How absurd this charge sounds which is reminiscent of Hitler's expression of fear before con quest.

We have only to look at the map respective compare our populations, and we will realise the reason for it too.
We have also been accused of trying to isolate Indonesia, but I should like to draw the attention of Honourable Members to the follow ing facts.

and trying Indonesia has been There is ample evidence to show that to isolate Malaya from Afro-Asia, Britain, Australia, and Singapore.

Regarding Afro-Asia, the Indonesian delegation to the recent Afro-Asian Conference in Tanganyika tried to obtain Afro-Asian condemnation of "British imperialism" and "Malayan neo-colonialism".
Fortu nately, however, the Indonesians had to be content with the final resolution expressing full support to the "just struggle of the people of North Kali mantan against neo-colonialism"; there was no reference to Malayan "neo colonialism".

The fact that the pro- Malaysia group had not been given any hearing must have created doubt if not confusion in the minds of the truly uncommitted nations of Asia and Africa.
As regards Britain, Indonesia's spokesmen in Djakarta during the past few weeks have carefully refrained from attacking British colonialism and .have instead concentrated on attacking the Malayan Government and my own person.

Hints have been dropped in Djakarta that Britain may be faced with a war which is the result of folly created by Malaya and by me.

Dr Subandrio has even praised Lord Selkirk at explaining Malaysia.
This is rather a to split Britain from crude attempt Malaya hoping perhaps that when Britain and Malaya have been split the door is open for Indonesia to walk in with all the forces at her command.

latter's effort the for Similarly attempts have been made to confuse Australian public opinion and to provide assurances of Indo to is due impress intention reports towards nesia's peaceful indicate Australia.

Djakarta that President Soekarno to proceed to Australia on a state visit.
Dr Subandrio is actively engaged in trying the Australian Government with Indonesia's goodwill and peaceful intentions and the Chief - of-Staff of the Australian Air Force was given a splendid reception on his recent visit to Indonesia.

It has also been reported that Mr Shann, Aus tralia's Ambassador to Indonesia, has been given a full version (with support ing papers) of Indonesia's grievances against Malaya.
In regard to Singa pore Dr Subandrio has made state innocuous on ments, which seemed at the surface, but which hinted differences of opinion between the Singapore and Federation Govern ments.

Indonesia's political offensive against the peoples of the Borneo territories has been of a different order.

Dr Subandrio has warned that if Malaya's hostility to Indonesia spreads to the Borneo territories "the possibility of physical conflict would be difficult to avoid".
This threat is obviously aimed at arousing fears in North Borneo, Brunei, and Sarawak regarding the dire consequences on joining Malaya whose Prime Minister's alleged hostility to Indonesia will inevitably result in direct conflict with Indonesia when Malaysia is formed.
Dr Subandrio's political offensive is pursuing a "hard-soft line"; after threatening physical conflict, Dr Subandrio said that he did not want a conflict with anyone and suggested that the formation of Malaysia was up to the Borneo territories but that it should not come into being at the present time.

There is a veiled threat in that statement.


In other words, he is hoping that the people of the Borneo territories can be so thoroughly frigh tened that they will request Britain to delay the establishment of Malaysia.

to annex that I wanted Sumatra—of all persons I wanted to annex Sumatra—in 1957 because "I need Indonesia badly to face Chinese equality with inside Malaya".
Having tried to cause a split between Malaya and Britain, between the Malays He said 3963 11 MARCH 1963 3964 Malaya and Australia and between Malaya and Singapore and having brought fears into the minds of the people of the Borneo territories, now he is trying to split the Malays and Chinese the Malays in Malaya itself.

You see how his mind works.

I must say he must be pretty intelligent, but it is of the kind which we do not appreciate.
He tries to sow the seeds of suspicion among the peoples everywhere.

in Malaya itself, and shows signs of Although there is evidence to suggest that there was mistiming which resulted in the collapse of the Brunei revolt and as a result caught the Indonesia propaganda machine off balance, it must be admitted that they have been quick to resume the political offensive again.
It should also, perhaps, be noted that the Indonesian political careful offensive planning and co-ordination, and in this respect, it would be unwise to regard any statement from Djakarta as based hoc decision.

It seems on an ad there has been an fairly clear that in the offensive, e.g.

the escalation announcement "Confrontation", which was defined as an "Economic and included an assurance that war was not contem plated.
But Dr Subandrio says: "I do not mean war, but incidents— incidents of physical conflict."

If that is not war, I do not know what it is.

social" offensive, of House, would condemn these people outright.

But in view of the fact that being held to determine their guilt, if enquiries are going to be held or are being held to determine their guilt it would not be right for me to disclose the evidence which we have collected these or we have received against people.

in it.
in it.

I actually the authority of In the main there is no conflict or misunderstanding between this country and the people of Indo Indonesia the leaders nesia and realise they are much think influenced by the communists and their tentacles have spread across the Java Sea and the Malacca Straits into our territory.

Their agents are hard at work to undermine the Government by extensive subversive activities.

They work not only in kampongs and in the towns but also in the barracks of our soldiers.
For this reason these active agents have had to be suppressed irrespective of who they are or what they are because the Internal Security Act of 1960 does not make any distinction between a member of parliament or man on the street.

Where a member of parliament is guilty or is suspected of being involved with the enemy in trying to undermine the authority of his own Government, then he must answer for his act in the same way as any man on the street.
to confuse and frighten It was suggested by the Honourable Member from Ipoh that people who have spoken against Malaysia have been arrested.

He said this is done purely the people here from uttering any words of opposition against the Government.

The Honourable Member knows, and the people of this country know, that the seven million people in this country are free to do, to say and to move as they like.
Only a mere handful of the seven million people have been taken in, and they must realise that there must be a really good reason behind this action by the Government.

These people have been arrested because they have been working with the enemy of the State this country to foreign rule.
Evidence were this in hand which, if repeated to subject in order in Malaysia plan, as I have said just now, arose out of the free-will of the people of the territories concerned, and it to is in the interest of Malaya encourage the formation of Malaysia in order to protect these territories and ourselves from the design of our enemy.
There are two with which we are faced: one is in respect of a country which has assumed the role as if she is being threatened by us and the other in respect of communists whose aim is to infiltrate and dominate these territories.

Unless we can work together, the people of this country can work together, then this country must fall and if it fell, there would be no more liberty or freedom this country.
Therefore, one thing that has happened in this country as a result of this threat of confrontation is the fact left for the people of 3965 11 MARCH 1963 3966 that the people of this country, people loyal to this country, have really come out with their support of their own Government; and I am thankful and proud that I have noticed, in this time of great stress and strain, the support which the people of this country have given to this Government.
The Honourable Member for Besut suggested that we should be on the best of terms with Indonesia being, as he has said, as our closest neighbour.

Let us, therefore, remind the Honourable Member that we have gone to a great length to bring about a settlement of Irian Barat on behalf of Indonesia and on terms proposed by Indonesia and we have a Treaty of Friendship with Indonesia.
We have invited Indonesia to join us in ASA and Indonesia turned it down without even bothering to find out the facts of the proposals or what the proposals contained.

When we sounded the need for Muslim countries to associate with one another in the form of Muslim Commonwealth, Indo nesia was the first to turn it down.
In the matter of Irian Barat, as I have said just now, Dr Subandrio attacked me for my efforts in trying to bring about a settlement in the dispute without even trying to see, or without even waiting for, my report to come to hand.

His Government, he said, re jected the United Nation's intervention, except in so far as the transfer of Irian Barat to Indonesia was concerned.
In the face of Indonesian hostile attitude towards Malaya, what chance have we got to try and work in close association with Indonesia or to try to come to friendly terms with Indonesia?

It is obvious that the Indonesians do not want us as a friend.

All they want is, as the Honourable for Besut is aware (if he is not, then he should be aware by now), and they want us to be their subordinate to do their biddings and to be guided by their Guided Democracy.
But they can be certain that they won't have us as such.

It must be remembered that Malaya is small but she is an independent, sovereign state, and she has a right to lead her own life and manage her own affairs and to secure herself against come threats by the enemies: whether they are from countries next door to us or whether they are from the communist imperialism, which is an imperialism more dreadful and more terrifying than any we have seen or heard.
The idea of Malaysia is to safeguard our territory, and the territories of North Borneo, Sarawak, Brunei and Singapore from it must communist domination and come about whether Indonesia likes it or not, whether she agrees with it or about.

not—Malaysia must (Applause).

It is our business and that of these territories to protect ourselves against our enemies.

All our friends throughout the free world have agreed that this is the best plan to ensure peace and stability in this region of Asia.
I cannot see any need for us to go to the United Nations on this issue unless there is a disagreement between the British and ourselves over Malaysia, as there was between the Dutch and Indonesia over West Irian.

In fact, Malaysia is an accepted fact and the only opposition comes from a country like Indonesia which should not have anything to do with it.
The confrontation policy of Indone sia does not hurt us sufficiently for us to bring the matter to the attention of the United Nations, and Indonesia may thoughts and have, perhaps, second might withdraw confrontation their policy.

We are still hopeful, however, that Indonesia would agree that Malay sia would not trouble her in the least.
In fact, as far as we are concerned, it would bring benefit to Indonesia to have such a good neighbour next door to her and it is her policy, therefore, to work very closely with us as it is also our policy to work very closely with her.

It is, as I said, not a matter which is the concern of anybody at all territories but of the people of the themselves.

Only the communists, in fact, would feel that Malaysia is aimed to prevent them from making an inroad into this territory.
Therefore, Sir, I oppose strongly the the House.

before now motion (Applause).

Enche' Too Joon Hing (Telok Anson): Mr Speaker, Sir, it is very clear 3967 11 MARCH 1963 3968 Indonesia that the Honourable Member for Besut, in moving this motion, has been greatly concerned over the present confronta tion policy of towards Malaya.

Sir, we have heard just now the explanation of the Honourable Prime Minister in regard to this motion and also about the Indonesian confron tation policy.
However, Sir, no one can deny confrontation policy is a direct result of the Alliance policy formation of Malaysia.

in respect of Indonesia's that the Sir, I stand here to reiterate the fact the United Democratic Party that supports the formation of Malaysia but not the manner and the method— and also the timing—with which the Alliance Government is implementing it.
During the debate on His Majesty's Speech on the 28th April last year, I made an appeal to the Honourable Prime Minister to go slow on Malaysia and not to rush it against the wishes and goodwill of the people, as other wise Malaysia might turn out to be a source of problem instead of peace and prosperity.

the friend and neighbour.

to meet all eventualities.
Sir, today we are faced with Indo nesia's confrontation policy, and this has actually brought us not only anxiety and insecurity but also deterio long ration in friendship with our standing I cannot agree more that we must explore all possible avenues to prevent the situation from getting worse, but simultaneously we must also be pre pared I, therefore, stand here in this House to re-affirm statement which my colleague, the Honourable Member for Seremban Timor, has made—that in the event of Malaya being threatened by war, we, the U.D.P., will stand solidly behind the Government to face all eventualities.
We also call upon the people of this country to unite solidly to meet all eventualities.

Sir, likewise, I would like to appeal to the Alliance to take the Opposition Members and its into the people confidence: regularly about the development of Malaysia and also the actual position in relation to the present confrontation policy of Indonesia, so that the people can be in let us know this country brought more clearly into the picture in order to present a common and united stand against any threat of war.
Sir, I have mentioned just now that we must be prepared to meet all even tualities.

Therefore, I call upon the Alliance to organise volunteers all over the country and to train our people to defend our country and I urge the people to support the Patriotic Fund.
to Sir, with regard the Patriotic Fund, I regret to say that there was a press statement which appeared today in the Straits Echo and also in the Straits Times, and this statement was made by a Member of the Cabinet, the Honourable Minister of Agriculture, who has levelled charges against the Opposition the Patriotic Fund.

Sir, I would like to quote it.


It says: supporting for not "But it is most unfortunate that in Malaya today the Opposition parties have not come forward to support the Government policy so far.

Instead we see a stab in the back by some of these parties.

One significant thing is that since the launching of the National Patriotic Fund none of the Opposition parties or their individual members, so far as we know, has contributed even one cent."

Sir, I think this accusation is unfounded and misleading.
I do not wish to mention this, Sir, but because of this accusation I have to defend ourselves, the Opposition Members.

Is he aware that members of the United Democratic Party in Perak have contributed as the three weeks ago long as Patriotic Fund?

I am not trying to boast, Sir, but is he aware that I have contributed $100 to the Patriotic Fund on 28th February this year?
Is he aware that I have called upon my clansmen, during a function in which the Honourable Senator Enche' Lim Hee Hong presided, to support the Patriotic Fund?

So, Sir, this accusation is not going to help bring us together.

I, therefore, appeal to Members of the Cabinet in future not to level such charges on Members of the Opposition unless they have facts.

to Sir, coming back to this motion, I think the time is not ripe for such a motion—therefore, Sir, I oppose it.
Enche' K. Karam Singh (Daman- sara): Mr Speaker, Sir, this motion calls 3969 11 MARCH 1963 3970 judgment has for a peaceful settlement of the difficul ties that have arisen with Indonesia.

I will say that—as the first Member from the Alliance backbenchers, who has spoken has said that that is what they have been asking for all along— it means they admit that this resolution is correct; otherwise they will not dare to come and say that that is what they have been asking for.
Now, the choice that we are confronted with is whether we want to settle this dispute peace fully, or we want to settle it on the battlefield.

I will say, Sir, that only people whose taken leave of them will want to settle on the battlefield, if they can avoid it— the and we are still far away from battlefield, but there is hysteria.

There are some people who want to be there, but it is not they who will go there; it is the other peace-loving citizens of this country who will have to fight in a war.
Those who make noise, papers like the Straits Times, which whipped up war hysteria, their editors, will sit in their cosy offices and let Asians fight amongst themselves.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I will ask the people who are clamouring for war to think twice, twice, because it will not be so cosy.

War is not just like going and seeing a movie.

(Laughter).

In a war they might get something that they do not like.
So, I would ask them to rein in their passion, to take control of their judg ment and act like sane human beings.

think more than to facts, which Mr Speaker, Sir, there are certain objective the Alliance Government will not be able to deny; and the most important fact is that this so-called Malaysia plan, or what ever it may be—a plan, an intrigue, conspiracy or whatever you may term it—is a joint colonial (British and Malayan) venture.
If it is not colonial, then it is a partnership between the under Malayan Government, the the British Alliance colonial power the world.

So, they cannot deny that this venture is half colonial.

Naturally, being less trained in diplomacy, less used the Malayan Government will be the junior partner.

Of course, they will have the leadership, and in international methods, this part of to like things that.
But what privilege of making the noise, of steal ing the show, of hitting the headlines is and behind, what is the controlling mind?

That, I will say, Sir, is the British colonial power with these young politicians, who have just come on to the international field, being made used of and experienced diplomatic foxes who claim to be our friends.

"tools" by the old as The second fact which the Alliance Government will never be able to deny is this.

We are a small nation—we all agree.


Although we have a Minister of Defence, he is not a Minister of Defence in a real sence, because he is, so to say, dependent on foreign troops and they are not Malayans; the Ministry of Defence does not have its own defence force to defend this country.

So, what is this business of going and acquiring new territories?

You cannot look after a small place, yet you want to look after a big place.

You cannot walk, yet you want to fly.


Mr Speaker, Sir, that is a fact and I challenge the Minister of Defence to contradict me.

it Now, Sir, we know that British colonialism—in fact, colonialism every is where—is a dying force, and breathing its last in the North Borneo colonial territories; and it is a matter of time before the British power there dies and the people of those territories are free and rise to their feet to take their rightful place in this world.
Now, the British will stay on; they will stay on as so-called protectors of these territories and the Malayan Govern ment will provide the justification for them to stay there; and by all sorts of means—by arrests, suppression and all sorts of other high-handed actions— the present Malayan Government can contrive to maintain itself in power; the British will assist in all ways, open and not open, to keep the present Government in power.

Mr Speaker: You have been talking too long on that matter.
What we are debating now is in respect of the con frontation policy, but you are talking on the policy of Malaysia.

I am giving you certain latitude.

3971 11 MARCH 1963 3972 these territories but Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr Speaker, Sir, what I want to show to this House is that with the advent of Malaysia, it will not be the local troops that will guard imperial forces.
Imperial armies will stand on the borders of Indonesia, and we know that Indonesia has just gone through a war which has been formented by the imperialist powers and these same powers are going to have their forces stationed on Indonesian borders, sanc tioned by the Malayan Government.

If we understand that, then we will realise the fears of Indonesia—expan sion of territory plus British troops backed, perhaps, by Americans, and this is a fact which the Government will not be able to deny.
Mr Speaker, Sir, I think the Honour able Prime Minister was not correct when he said just now that no force, no coercion, at all had been used in this Malaysia affair.

I say that I differ, and if we look at it, it will be seen that the efforts to bring about Malaysia are nothing but coercion.

At the beginning, before our Honourable Prime Minister became involved in this Malaysia plan, the Sarawak United People's Party was carrying on quite smoothly.
Once the Prime Minister became associated with it, they started arresting and deporting members of the Sarawak United People's Party.

Then, we know that although there was a ninety-nine per the Party Rakyat of cent vote for Borneo, that Party was not allowed to table a motion on Malaysia—and it is a foregone conclusion that the Legisla ture would have rejected Malaysia.

Is this not coercion?

It is nothing but coercion.


Now, Sir, we find that there is a so-called party "Perikatan" in Borneo for elections.

The majority asking Party there has been banned, and no member of that Party will be allowed to stand for elections.

So, only people who will support Malaysia will be to stand and get elected— allowed whether with one vote or two votes or how many votes, we do not know.
But we know that it will be a manipulated affair, because anti-Malaysia forces will be excluded from the elections.

Is this not coercion?

Is this not constitutional trickery Mr Speaker, Sir, I will again challenge the Government, the Minister of Defence, the Prime Minister, to con tradict me on this, because these are facts.
Mr Speaker, Sir, in fact, before hearing the Prime Minister's exclusion of Australia just now in this House from defending Malaya, I had already got the subject of Australia in my notes.

Sir, Australia is another South Africa very near Asia, and I will tell the people of Malaya, especially the members of UMNO this: "Do not be deceived by Australia's blandishments."

Why?
Why?

One Malay fisherman in Austra lia was hounded like anything just to be deported from Australia and he had to hide for so many days, and there were warrants out for his arrest.

And this country wants to defend us.

Australia has failed in its intrigues .

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Enche9 Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman (Seberang Tengah): Mr Speaker, Sir, Standing Order 36 (1)—irrelevance.

Mr Speaker: That is quite relevant.

think he is talking on what was the Prime Minister I brought up by himself.

Please proceed.
Please proceed.

Speaker, Sir, Asian Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr Speaker, Sir, Australia, while politically exclud ing us—Asian, while not accepting us, while not allowing us the right even to go there, is trying to interfere in Asian affairs.

We resent that and any decent human being will resent it—I do not know whether there are any in the Alliance, but if there are they will resent it.

Australia failed to sabotage the transfer of West Irian to Indonesia.
Mr people, coloured people, are not tolerated in the administration of East Irian by Australia, because they are people similar to us; and we will fight to bring up this issue of that territory is administered by Australia, which fit because Australia to that administer because there are of a different the people colour and Australia go by colour.

Now, having failed in that area, they want to come to the Malaysian terri tory.
The only thing that we have to tell Australia is, "Please keep out of this area."

A few days ago, an Austra- is not territory, 3973 11 MARCH 1963 3974 lian leader made a statement, "Austra lia is indefensible, it can be finished in a matter of hours", and that territory wants to defend us!

Why?

To provoke us, to egg us on in a quarrel with Indonesia.

Why should we be made Australia's catspaw, or Britain's cats- paw, or anyone's catspaw?

It is we who will get burnt in any war.


Mr Speaker, Sir, lastly we have to realise that this confrontation business has arisen only in respect of Malaysia, because of the old colonial forces using Malaya as a cover in trying to penetrate into these areas to renew their hold of these areas.

It is not with Malaya that Indonesia has its quarrel; it is with this colonial project under Malayan name that they have their quarrel.
They have not said that they will invade Malaya; they have not said that it is with Malaya that they have any objec tions.

It is only against this Malaysia hatched in England, hatched in outside countries that they fear and dread, because it will provide a cover for imperialist forces to undermine Indo nesia and they have lived through a very dreadful revolution—a counter revolution against the Indonesia State— and it will be very foolish for Malayan leaders to ignore that aspect.
Mr Speaker, Sir, there may be a tendency among some people in the Alliance to regard any support for peace as being something that is against the interests of Malaya.

We would say that peace is in the interests of Malaya.

Don't think that this is just like two small boys going and having a fight they will get are a few where all scratches, and then they go home, have a bath and put on their clothes, and they will be all right again.

But we know that modern war is not child's play.


So, Mr Speaker, in the interests of all parties, in the interests of peace in our region, we would say to the Malayan Government, "Let us explore all avenues of peace because even the greatest leaders say that if you can settle matters around a table it is much more economical, much more sensible and less troublesome than going to settle it on the battlefield."
So I would urge Honourable Members from the Alliance the artificial not to be guided by infused courage in you by British troops.

Think in the Asian contex and think of the traditional friendship we have with Indonesia and of the many ties—religion, ethnic, historical and other ties—and it is still not too late for us to come to an understanding with them.
perhubongan Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji Muda (Pasir Puteh): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berdiri ia-lah bagi menyokong usul yang di-kemukakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Besut.

Be- berapa Ahli2 daripada penyokong pehak Kerajaan telah memberikan pentafsiran yang sangat jauh dan tidak tepat dengan semangat yang terkan- dong dalam usul yang di-kemukakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari pada Besut itu.
Sa-benar-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, usul ini ada-lah me- ngandongi maksud dan tujuan supaya terujud dalam negeri ini satu dasar yang sentiasa boleh di-amalkan berhu- bong dengan negara2 tetangga kita.

interna Menjalankan tional pada negara2 dengan sa-mata2 mengikut aliran atau kejadian yang timbul sahaja ada-lah tidak mengun- tongkan, boleh jadi membahayakan dan akan membawa negeri ini sa-mata2 pada keadaan2 kesulitan dan boleh jadi merosakkan keadaan negeri ini.
Demi- kian juga kalau kita hendak ber- gantong kapada negara Commonwealth atau pun sa-bilangan negara lain, itu pun akan menyusahkan kita juga.

Bah- kan akan bertambah merendahkan martabat kemerdekaan kita pada pan- dangan mata international.

Walau pun, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita nampak bahawa yang Teramat Mulia Perdana Menteri di-dalam menjalankan dasar tidak mempunyal pedoman luar-nya yang chukup, dengan tidak chukup kuat bagi memelihara kepentingan negara-nya.
Maka usul yang di- kemukakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Besut akan menjadi itu panduan yang baik kapada Perdana Menteri apabila usul itu di-luluskan dan di-amalkan dengan tidak sa-mata2 mengikut kehendak hawa nafsu dan fikiran yang munchul sahaja.

Pada masa yang akan datang kita berharap lagi berhubong dengan akan saperti Siam, negara tetangga kita terus r .

3976 11 MARCH 1963 3975 Indonesia, Burma, Cambodia dan lain2 lagi.
Mereka2 yang terdiri daripada negara2 yang berlainan kepentingan, berlainan aliran faham politik dan berlainan bentok pemerentahan, bukan sahaja di-Persekutuan Tanah Melayu tetapi juga di-antara negara dengan negara itu sendiri, ada yang lebeh rapat dengan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu dengan chara demokrasi-nya dan ada yang lebeh jauh, tetapi ini ada-lah hak negara itu sendiri, mengenai negara itu terpulang-lah kapada sendiri, dan negara itu sendiri bagi melakukan-nya.
Pada masa ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak ada sa-buah negeri pun yang chukup terpenchil daripada kejadian2 international.

Kejadian yang besar di negeri yang beribu2 batu jauh-nya, mungkin ikut menyentoh kita sama.

Apa lagi kalau kejadian2 itu berlaku di-negeri yang berhampiran atau pun negeri kita sendiri, maka oleh sebab itu terpaksa-lah kita bijaksana dan chermat dalam melaksanakan perhu bongan luar negeri terutama dengan negara tetangga kita.
Yang saya mak sudkan usul ini dengan "bijaksanai'' ada-lah satu pendirian yang mempunyai tanda2 keperibadian kita yang di-ambil daripada prinsip moral politik kita yang sihat, dan di-dalam Qerhubongan itu pula kita hendak-lah menchari ikh tiar2 yang aman, sebab sekira-nya kita dapat mengekalkan keamanan dan ke tenteraman luar negeri di-antara negeri kita dengan lain, dan akan dapat-lah kehidupan dalam negeri ini berjalan dengan baik dengan kemajuan yang akan terus menerus dengan tidak ada chachat-nya kelak.
Kita, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, terpaksa lah memakai satu falasafah hidup di dalam masharakat international ia-itu kita dapat dudok bersama2 di-dalam sifat yang berbeza2, jangan kita chuba sa-mata2 menchari perbalahan dengan orang lain kerana hendakkan orang itu sa-rupa dengan kita.
Hidup ber sama2 di-dalam keadaan sifat yang berbeza2 ia-lah satu amalan yang jika di-amalkan bukan sahaja oleh kita, tetapi oleh seluroh dunia luar, nes chaya tidak akan dapat melahirkan kemungkinan2 yang menimbulkan pe chah-nya keamanan dan ketenteraman dalam dunia hari ini.
Dengan usul yang di-kemukakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Besut, ada-lah bertujuan memberikan pedoman dan isharat bahaw!l negeri kita ini mahu menjadi negeri yang chintakan damai, yang mahu damai, dan mahu mengekalkan perdamaian bagi kawasan kita ini, dan bagi seluroh dunia.

Biar-lah negara kita ini kechil dalam erti kata keluasan, dan muda dalam erti kata umor kemerdekaan negeri kita.
Tetapi kita hendak-lah di kenal sa-bagai satu bangsa yang sen tiasa chintakan damai dan hidup di dalam alam keperibadian dengan moral politik jiwa bangsa kita sendiri.

Apabila saya sebut "damai" bukan lah yang di-maksudkan oleh pehak kami ini "tundok" dan menghilangk:an maruah negeri ini sa-bagai negeri yang merdeka di-agakkan saperti yang orang.
Tetapi yang di-maksudkan di dalam usul itu ada-lah menjalankan ikhtiar sa-boleh2-nya menchapai per damaian sebab saperti kata Yang Berhormat dari Damansara kita ter paksa memileh salah satu antara dua jalan, ia-itu menchari penyelesaian sa-chara damai atau pun di-harap penyelesaian melalui peperangan.

Tetapi ada pula pehak yang kadang2 tidak tidak mengerti atau chuba mengambil pengertian akan dasar yang di-kemukakan oleh pehak kami ini, dan chuba mengganggu usul kami ini.
Apabila pehak kami menghendaki per kara ini di-bawa kapada Pertubohan Bangsa2 Bersatu bagi membuat penye lesaian sa-chara damai, bukan-lah bererti bahawa sa-barang perkara yang timbul itu di-hulurkan kapada Per tubohan Bangsa2 Bersatu, bahkan dalam usul kami telah di-nyatakan bahawa "apabila keadaan itu merun ching", Sl!Jlerti yang di-tafsirkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Seberang tadi ada-lah satu Utara sa-bentar pentafsiran yang sa-mata2 berdasarkan perasaan dan sentimen.
Mengatakan keadaan sekarang ini sedang merun ching atau keadaan ini tidak merun keadaan atau menetapkan ching, merunching dengan tidak menimbang kedudokan awal dan kedudokan akibat yang mungkin akan timbul pada akhir nya, ada-lah satu pentafsiran yang tepat.
Apabila melulu dan tidak 3977 11 MARCH 1963 3978 dan hendak-lah keadaan· i~u merunching, erti-nya kita tidak mahu, sa-sudah merunching itu timbul puia "perang", maka pada masa itu-lah kita menghendaki negara kita Persekutuan Tanah Melayu menge ini kapada Per mukakan perkara tubohan Bangsa2 Bersatu supaya melalui pertubohan dunia ini suatu penyelesaian sa-chara aman.

dan damai dapat di-hasilkan.


Ini-lah tujuan usul ini di-fahamkan bahawa di-atas semangat ini-lah, maka usul ini di-kemukakan kapada Dewan ini.

Usul ini tidak-lah sa-mata2 kerana dasar confrontasi Indonesia terhadap Malaya, bahkan usul ini ada-lah di umumkan kapada seluroh sifat dan bentok sama ada confrontasi itu dari Indonesia, atau dari mana sahaja, dan boleh-lah di-atas semangat usul ini me ngikut sa-genap kejadian yang tidak di ingini yang berlaku dalam keadaan pada masa sekarang yang kita hadapi ini.
Dalam hal Indonesia, atau dalam soal sikap confrontasi Indonesia terha dap Malaya yang berlaku sekarang ini, Yang Berhormat Timbalan Perdana telah memberitahu bahawa Menteri Indonesia hendak kalau sa-kira-nya berperang benar2 dengan Malaya, maka dia hendak meminta bantuan dari negara lain, dan dalam beberapa hari yang sudah, Yang Berbormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri telah menyatakan bahawa Inggeris sedia memberi bantuan, dan hari ini sa-telah menerima ma'lumat baharu ia-itu negara Australia juga bersedia memberi bantuan, sa-kira-nya berlaku peperangan antara Malaya dengan Indonesia.
Sa-kira-nya lnggeris ber sedia memberi bantuan, dan memang Inggeris sedia berdasarkan kapada Perjanjian Pertabanan bersama ia-itu Inggeris akan memberi bantuan dan ini telah di-nyatakan sendiri oleh Yang Berhormat Perdana Menteri bahawa dalam beberapa bulan yang lalu sejak timbul-nya soal confrontasi dari Indo nesia telah menyatakan dengan tegas-nya bahawa jangan-lah Indonesia chuba hendak berperang dengan Malaya, kalau Indonesia hen dak berperang dengan Malaya, erti-nya Indonesia terpaksa berperang dengan Britain.
isharat yang menunjokkan bahawa negeri ini akan menjadi padang jarak, padang terkukur, tentangga yang Ini ada-lah itu, beliau dan tidak ada satu pun yang akan untong dalam hal kcjadian ini, melain kan ia-lah negara2 blok barat yang telah berjaya meiabirkan, atau me nimbulkan satu medan baharu dalam pertarongan antara fabam barat dengan faham timor yang ICdang bertarong sejak beberapa lama ini.

Jadi.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua.
yang paling gembira sa-kali dalam soal krisis antara Malaya dengan Indonesia pada masa sekarang ini ia-lah negara2 yang menghendaki supaya soa12 yang berbangk:it dalam krisis dunia hari ini, jauh timbul-nya dari negeri mereka sendiri, tetapi kalau pemimpin2 Malaya ini mahu sedar dan mahu insaf akan kedudokan yang saperti ini, maka mereka tentu tidak ingin babawa akan Iahir di-sabelab Tenggara Asia ini satu kawasan yang menggantik:an Korea, atau satu kawasan yang akan menggantikan Vietnam dalam soal perang ideology antara timor deogan barat.
Ada pehak yang mengatakan babawa usul PAS yang hendak menge mukakan kerunchingan perhubongan antara negara ini kapada tetangga Pertubohan Bangsa2 Bersatu ada-lah ilham yang keluar daripada fahaman Komunis, atau Parti Komunis Indo nesia.

Ini ada-lah satu tudohan yang jahat dan ta' dapat di-layan oleh orang yang mempunyai pandangan yang baik.

Kebetulan persamaan dalam sa-suatu pendapat, tidak-lah boleh di-katakan bahawa menunjokkan datang dari orang yang sama.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, maksud kita untok mengemukakan perkara ini ka pada Pertubohan Bangsa2 Bersatu, sa-ldra-nya berlaku sa.barang kerun cbingan, bukan-lah dengan niat hendak melambatkan Malaysia, sebab bagi PAS soal Malaysia ini sudah lepas ka-belakang dan kami mempunyai sendiri berkenaan dengan konsep tidak Malaysia.

Lambat atau jadi langsong, bagi PAS tidak menjadi masaalab, sebab kami mahu dengan ia-itu sa-buah Melayu cbita2 kami Raya yang lebeh luas erti-nya dari pada konsep Malaysia yang di-agong2.
kan oleh Yang Berhormat Perdana Menteri kita sekarang ini.

Oleh itu, 3979 11 MARCH 1963 3980 ini tidak-lah berbangkit soal hendak me lambatkan ranchangan Malaysia dengan mengemukakan perkara ini kapada Pertubohan Bangsa2 Bersatu.

Apa yang ia-lah kita berbangkit sekarang tidak: mahu negeri ini berbalah dengan Indonesia.
Tetapi siapa sahaja yang chuba, sa-sudah dalam hal ini di ikhtiarkan dengan chara aman dan damai, chuba mengachu hujong benet nya kapada kita, maka · pada masa itu lah Pertubohan Bangsa2 Bersatu yang kita harapkan supaya mengadakan penyelesaian dengan chara aman, dan ini bukan-lah erti-nya kita pengechut atau penak:ut, dan ini tidak boleh di samakan dengan peristiwa yang ber laku di-India atau di-negara2 lain, sa-balek-nya oleh kerana kita sa-bagai sa-buah negara yang kechil dan kita tahu bahawa ra'ayat negeri kita ini memang sudah benchi kapada pepe rangan, dan tidak ada sebab mengapa kita hendak mengapi2kan jiwa ra'ayat negeri ini dengan semangat berperang sa-hingga melibatkan keadaan yang tidak: jiwa ra'ayat yang berkubar2, saperti yang di-kemu kakan oleh.
pehak pemerentah, dan parti yang memerentah sekarang ini.

Ada orang yang mengatakan bahawa biar,Iah negeri ini berperang, biar-lah kita hanchor, asalkan maruah "kita ter jamin.

Di-mana hendak di-letakkan maruah kita itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau negeri sudah hanchor, menjadi padang jarak, padang terkukur.
Ada orang yang tahu mengkobar2kan se mangat, tetapi dalam mengkobarkan semangat itu bahawa dia tahu yang berperang itu bukan diri-nya sendiri, teta,pi apa yang di-pentingkan ia-lah perut~nya sahaja, dan yang berkata qahawa biar-lah negeri ini berperang, bangsa kita akan hanchor, pada hal dia sendiri tidak pergi dan yang pergi ia-lah orang yang sa-keturunan dan sa-bangsa dengan bumi putera negeri ini.

Dia hendak jadi kukur, kukur kerang2 sahaja bunyi-nya, tetapi kelapa yang binasa.
Apa kata kukur, kelapa juga yang binasa.
tenteram dalam Bagi kita orang2 Melayu hendak:-lah mempunyai pandangan yang jauh dan biar · cherdek sadikit apabila ber hadapan dengan orang2 saperti ini, dan hendak-lah sedar akan puak2 petualang dan pengachau2 politik itu mesti-lah di singkirkan dari negeri ini, sebab puak2 petualang dan pengachau2 politik sahaja yang chuba hendak menggem bar~gemborkan keadaan yang maseh merupakan satu keadaan yang samar2, melahirkan politik negen ini yang panas dan menyebabkan ra'ayat sudah lupa kapada sa-suatu, melainkan mereka memandang dari satu jurusan ia-itu jurusan yang mer bahaya yang mungkin akan berlaku dan akan menjadi satu kenyataan.
suasana suatu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, biar-lah Rumah yang mulia ini mengetahui akan hakikat usul yang di-kemukakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Besut itu dengan sa-benar2-nya, dan jangan lah chuba mengachau atau meraba2 dengan bagitu jauh akan hakikat ini.
Usul ini nombor satu sa-kali ia-lah akan mengemukakan satu jalan, sama ada Kerajaan negeri ini menghendaki penyelesaian itu sa-chara aman, atau sa-chara perang, dan PAS hendak menjadikan satu pedoman pada negeri ini bahawa penyelesaian itu mesti-lah sa-chara aman.
Yang kedua, kalau juga bertambah merunching, PAS menyatakan bahawa ini mesti-lah di-kemukakan perkara kapada Pertubohan Bangsa2 Bersatu, sebab kita memandang oleh kerana kita menjadi anggota Bangsa2 Bersatu, maka hanya itu-lah satu badan yang merupakan pertubohan dunia yang di harap boleh menyelesaikan perkara ini, tetapi sa-bagai bangsa yang merdeka, kalau berlaku sa-suatu hal, bukan-lah erti-nya kita akan mengangkat kaki chabut lari ka-belakang, tetapi kita tetap akan berhadapan bagi meng hadapi sa-barang kemungkinan yang akan menimpa tanah ayer kita ini pada masa akan datang.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, itu-lah yang dapat saya kemukakan kapada Dewan ini.

Che' Khadijah binti Mohd.

Sidek (Dungun): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, oleh kerafia tidak: ada Ahli yang hendak berchakap, dan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, terchari2 terpaksa-lah saya berdiri.

Mr Speaker: Saya tidak menchari (Ketawa).

3981 11 MARCH 1963 3982 saya ada-lah soal yang Che' Khadijah binti Mohd.
Sidek: juga Tuan Yang di-Pertua, chadangan Yang Ber- menyokong hormat dari Besut, sebab dalam masa- alah ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-ba- gaimana yang telah di-uchapkan oleh Yang Berhormat Perdana Menteri bahawa ra'ayat Tanah Melayu dengan ra'ayat jiran kita di-Indonesia ada-lah sa-keturunan, sa-darah sa-daging dan sa-ugama, jadi Malaya dengan Indo nesia adek-beradek, ibarat Tuan Yang di-Pertua.
Oleh sebab itu, maka Yang Berhormat dari Besut mengemukakan chadangan ini supaya dapat-lah hendak-nya menchari satu jalan mendamaikan sa- makin sa-hari sa-makin merunching, sebab pada biasa-nya walau pun ber- tumbok dan beramok adek-beradek itu kalau di-chari jalan penyelesaian de ngan perantaraan, atau ada yang akan menyelesaikan itu di-bawa bermaufa kat dan berunding dengan memberi fikiran di-antara pehak di-sana dengan pehak di-sini, kadang2 ketegangan itu dapat di-kendorkan kembali, Tuan di-fikirkan Yang dengan sa-dalam2-nya perkelahian ini ia-lah antara adek-beradek.
Ada di- antara orang yang mengatakan ia-itu kerana sudah ada konfrantasi dari Indonesia, maka hendak-lah di-hadapi dengan mengadakan barisan tentera dan melateh tentera kita dan meng- hangat2kan perkara jadi lebeh runching lagi dan supaya terjadi pertemporan di-antara kedua negara itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

di-Pertua.

Kalau ini supaya Maka saya meminta sa-bagaimana yang di-chadangkan oleh pehak PAS ia-itu menchari jalan sa-berapa yang dapat dan sa-berapa yang boleh.
Jangan-lah hendak-nya sampai terjadi pertemporan yang senget di-antara dua beradek ini.
yang Saya sangat menyesali tentang sikap pemimpin2 kita, terutama daripada terkemuka pemimpin wanita dalam Negeri ini, ia-itu Yang Ber hormat dari Jitra-Padang Terap yang telah memberi uchapan yang bersema- ngat di-Melaka sa-malam, ia-itu me minta kapada wanita2 supaya bersiap sedia dan masok menjadi askar suka rela untok menentang saudara2 kita di- Indonesia; Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menyesali ini, kerana tentang sikap kita dari pehak wanita yang terkenal sa-bagai orang yang sukakan perda- maian dan tidak suka kapada pertem poran dan tidak mahu kapada pepe- rangan hendak-lah pemimpin wanita pemimpin itu memanggil wanita yang ada dalam Tanah Melayu ini sa-bagaimana beliau telah me- nganjorkan Konvensen Wanita, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bermaufakat bersama meminta saudara2 wanita di-Indonesia itu mengadakan perdamaian di-antara Tanah Melayu Indonesia.
Sebab (di-sampok).

seluroh dengan lebeh mengikrab Mr Speaker: Please proceed.

Che9 Khadijah binti Mohd.

Sidek: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Yang Berhormat itu satu sudah pernah mengepalai rombongan melawat Indonesia dan mengadakan perjumpaan untok mengi- kat persahabatan yang lebeh tegoh di- antara wanita Indonesia dengan wanita Tanah Melayu.
Dan dengan lawatan rombongan wanita Tanah Melayu ka-Indonesia itu, saudara2 wanita Indo nesia telah datang ka-Tanah Melayu— ini dan mera- patkan perhubongan di-antara wanita Tanah Melayu dengan wanita Indone sia.
Ini ada satu jalan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bagi Yang Berhormat itu untok meminta dan menuntut kapada wanita di-Indonesia ia-itu kenapa kita adek-beradek mahu berperang, maka wanita di-Indonesia pula menuntut kapada Kerajaan-nya, Parti Kominis Indonesia yang konon-nya di-tudoh menyebabkan keretakan dan saudara di-antara perpechahan dua Indonesia dengan Tanah Melayu supaya mereka itu chuba dan dapat memadamkan api yang menyala ini.
Tetapi, Tuan Yang "di-Pertua, sa-kali lagi saya kesalkan sebab sa-patut-nya ayer di-siramkan kapada api yang mula menyala, tetapi kalau di-siram tentu dia menyala dengan minyak marak lagi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

Bagitu juga daripada pehak yang lain.


Pemuda Yang UMNO, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ia-itu Yang Berhormat Menteri Pengangkutan juga telah mengapi2kan perkara ini ia- itu hendak mengadakan askar sukarela dan mengerah tenaga seluroh pemuda2 di-Pertua Agong atau 3983 11 MARCH 1963 3984 Tanah Melayu ini untok bertempor de- ngan Indonesia.

Saya minta berfikir-lah, kalau tidak sa-kali, dua tiga kali, ia-itu jangan-lah jadi hendak-nya pertem- poran di-antara dua beradek ini.

ini dan Pilipina Indonesia ideology-nya.


Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya terbacha ia-itu dalam Berita Harlan hari "Macapagal usulkan sidang punchak Malaya, Indonesia".

Beliau minta mengadakan perjumpaan pemimpin2 yang tertinggi daripada Tanah Melayu, Indonesia dan Pili pina, kerana ketiga2 negara ini asal-nya daripada satu rumpun ia-itu rumpun bangsa Melayu.
Saya ibaratkan mereka ini ada-lah tiga beradek, tetapi pada masa dahulu di-jaga dan di-didek oleh emak dan bapa angkat yang berasing- an di-jaga dan di-didek oleh emak dan bapa angkat orang Belanda, Tanah Melayu di-jaga dan di-didek oleh emak dan bapa angkat orang British dan Pilipina di-didek dan di-lateh oleh emak dan bapa angkat orang Amerika.
Maka sekarang mereka sudah dewasa, mere ka sudah merasa chukup besar, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dan mereka sudah ter- lepas daripada penjagaan emak dan bapa angkat mereka masing2.

Hendak- lah mereka ini sekarang mengadakan satu perjumpaan untok memikirkan bagaimana chara yang baik untok menyatukan seluroh-nya kembali ia- itu negara2 Melayu yang di-banggakan di-dalam dunia ini bagaimana kata Hang Tuah, "Melayu tidak akan hilang tiga2 di-dunia".
Kalau negeri ini dapat bermuafakat dapat mengadakan pendamaian, dapat me ngadakan perjumpaan sa-hingga ketiga2 negeri itu bersatu kembali, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, maka alang-kah megah-nya ketiga2 negara yang besar daripada rumpun bangsa Melayu di-seluroh Tenggara Asia ini—dapat bersatu yang kebanggaan akan membangkitkan yang besar bagi umat Melayu di-Asia ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.
Jadi, saya sangat menyesali saperti kata saya tadi ia-itu puncha2 atau usaha2 me- ngapi2kan, mendesak2kan ia-itu kapada baik pehak pemuda, mahu pun pehak wanita-nya di-dalam Tanah Melayu ini.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, untok me ngadakan peperangan dengan adek beradek.

sa-kira-nya juga Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menyesali sikap Yang Berhormat dari Pontian Selatan yang mengeshorkan supaya mengadakan barisan wanita— tentera wanita sukarela.
Kalau anjoran dapat di-pelupori oleh Yang Berhormat itu tidak apa, tetapi chuma di-pelupori dengan semangat dan mulut sahaja sedangkan beliau itu saya rasa tidak dapat ikut bersama.
Sa-bagaimana sa- orang ibu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saperti tadi hendak-lah yang saya katakan anak2 nasehat2 kapada memberi dengan mengadakan jiwa yang tente- ram dengan chara aman dan damai sa-bagaimana kehendak kita dan sa- bagaimana dasar daripada Kerajaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu ini ia-itu menghendaki aman dan damai tidak mahu bermusoh dengan siapa pun.
Jadi sa-bagai sa-orang ibu patut-nya jiwa aman damai hendak-lah kita lateh- kan kapada wanita2 kita, dan kalau sa-kira-nya terpaksa, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, di-damaikan mithal-nya Yang Berhormat itu ber sama2 dengan pehak wanita Indonesia maka orang itu—wanita2 di-Indonesia attack wanita2 di-sini (Ketawa) baharu- lah kita hentam mereka itu kembali.
dapat tidak ini saya Saya (Ketawa)—ia-itu sentiasa mengatakan juga menyesali, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang menjadi puncha dari juga surat2 khabar yang pada sa-betul-nya melebeh2kan menaikkan semangat hingga merosakkan keama- nan terbacha dalam Utusan Melayu, sedangkan dari pada pemimpin2 besar daripada Yang Berhormat Perdana Menteri, daripada Yang Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri, kita dengan Indonesia adek beradek, chari jalan bagaimana kita hendak berbaik2 tetapi Utusan Melayu ini, hentam itu, hentam Indonesia, tetapi di-salahkan hanya segelintir pemim pin2 komunis tetapi kebanyakan hen- taman itu mengena'i keselurohan orang2 Indonesia.
Dan sa-kira-nya di-keluar- kan perkara macham itu—jawab men- jawab antara surat khabar kita dengan surat khabar di-sana sedangkan ra'ayat di-sini dan ra'ayat di-sana tidak faham, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kerana hentaman surat khabar itu-lah yang mengapi2kan, lebeh merunchingkan keadaan yang dengan perjuangan antara Malaya hentam 3985 11 MARCH 1963 3986 Indonesia.

Dan di-sini juga lagi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, uchapan salah sa- orang kaum ibu dari Melaka mengata- kan Mr Speaker: Dalam surat khabar apa?

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.. sa-belum Che' Khadijah binti Mohd.

Sidek: Utusan Melayu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

"Langkah Mayat Wanita".

Jadi erti- nya Indonesia memerangi Tanah Melayu ini, langkah-lah mayat wanita di-Tanah Melayu dahulu.
Ini saya rasa, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ter- lalu sangat meluap2 semangat-nya, dan ini saya yakin dan perchaya semangat wanita yang sa-rupa ini bukan datang- nya dari jiwa raga-nya sendiri tetapi di-dorong2, di-sorong2 dan di-sogok2- kan dari belakang daripada anasir2 yang ingin supaya pertemporan, pepe- rangan adek beradek ter- siapa chapai.
Saya tahu orang2 dan siapa pemimpin2 yang ada di-dalam kaum ibu UMNO itu yang mempunyai' semangat, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya mengetahui ini sa-masa saya memimpin Kaum Ibu UMNO pada tahun 1952 sampai menyambut kemerdekaan pun jangankan memegang senapang.

sunggoh2 lekas takut ini AN HONOURABLE MEMBER: nyampok).

(Me- Che9 Khadijah binti Mohd.

Sidek: Minta tahukan atoran sadikit (Ketawa).

Mr Speaker: Order!

Order!

Kalau itu, hadapkan-lah hendak berchakap kapada Tuan Speaker.
Saya telah beri amaran banyak kali.

Kalau ada ter- dengar apa2 minta-lah appeal dengan saya, saya boleh jalankan kuat-kuasa saya di-bawah Standing Order.

Che' Khadijah binti Mohd.

Sidek: Tetapi mereka selalu .

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Mr Speaker: Jangan chuba hendak melawan saya.

lama tidak terjadi anjoran Che' Khadijah binti Mohd.

Sidek: Terima kaseh, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak chuba hendak melawan.
saya ini-lah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Jadi, kalau wanita2 yang sa-umpama ini, sebab mereka tidak bergadoh antara adek beradek tetapi dengan di-sorong2 di-semangat2kan, di-api2kan terpaksa mereka itu mengeluarkan kata2 yang bersemangat sa-hingga mengatakan langkah mayat wanita sa-akan2 perang mesti lagi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.
Saya minta-lah kapada kaum ibu Perikatan chuba-lah kita chari jalan terlebeh dahulu sa-bagai President mana daripada Philippines, Macapagal, di- dan persetujui oleh Yang Teramat Mulia Perdana Menteri kita supaya dapat ketiga2 pemimpin ini berjumpa men- satu perdamaian.

Mari kita chari ibu menyokong baik semua kaum ibu Indonesia dan Philippine kaum bersama2 dengan kaum ibu Melayu minta di-adakan perdamaian di-antara tiga rumpun adek beradek ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.
Sebab pada pendapat saya sa-kira-nya terjadi-lah peperangan di-antara dua beradek ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-bagaimana wakil Yang Berhormat dari Pasir Puteh tadi ber chakap keuntongan itu tidak ada bagi sa-bagai kita chuma akan menjadi padang terkukor, Tuan Yang di-Pertua; kita adek beradek berkechamok2kan, berhentam2, berbunoh2, keuntongan- nya orang lain yang akan dapat, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

Mr Speaker: Sudah habis?

Che' Khadijah binti Mohd.

Sidek: Belum lagi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

Mr Speaker: Order!
Mr Speaker: Order!

Order!

The time is up.

The meeting is suspended till 10 a.m. tomorrow.

Adjourned at 6.30 p.m. 3987 11 MARCH 1963 3988 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE AND CO-OPERATIVES Hens' and Ducks' Eggs 1.

Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister and Co of Agriculture operatives to state what was the total annual production of hens' and ducks' eggs in 1960, 1961 and 1962.
The Minister of Agriculture and Co operatives (Enche' Mohamed Khir bin Johari): The statistics for 1960 and 1961 are not available.

In 1962 the local production of hens' eggs was 372.6 million and ducks' eggs 100 million, the total value of which amounts to $47,260,000.

Production of Livestock 2.

Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister and Co of Agriculture operatives to state what was the total production of goats, sheep, cattle and pigs in 1960, 1961 and 1962.
Enche' Mohamed Khir bin Johari: The total production of goats, sheep, cattle and pigs in 1960 and 1961 are as follows: 1961 Goats Sheep Oxen Buffaloes Pigs 1960 .. 278,337 .

271,169 35,091 .. 36,997 .

.. 305,882 .

308,148 ... 275,528 .

269,355 .

445,014 465,280 .

for 1962 are not yet The available as census returns from four States are being awaited.

figures .

Bertam Estate 3.
Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji Arshad bertanya kapada Menteri Per- tanian dan Sharikat2 Kerjasama: (a) berapa luas-nya Ladang Bertam Seberang Prai yang di-beli di- bawah Sharikat ranchangan Kerjasama dengan wang pin- jaman daripada Kementerian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerja sama; (b) berapa jumlah wang sa-bagai harga yang telah di-gunakan kerana membeli Ladang Bertam itu yang telah di-pinjamkan oleh Kementerian Pertanian; tidak (c) ada-kah wang yang telah di- berikan pinjaman sa-bagai membeli Ladang Bertam itu sa- memang-nya peruntokan yang di-sediakan dari mula-nya kerana ranchangan membeli ladang itu, jika terangkan harap untok peruntokan apa-kah wang itu pada mula-nya di-sediakan; (d) ada-kah wang peruntokan yang telah di-gunakan sa-bagai pin jaman membeli Ladang Bertam itu telah di-keluarkan dengan sa-tahu dan kebenaran Menteri Kewangan; (e) berapa bilangan orang2 yang memileki tanah2 dalam ladang itu pada masa ini menurut jenis bangsa asal-nya (Melayu, China, India).
Enche' Mohamed Khir bin Johari: (a) Luas-nya Ranchangan Kampong Baharu Estet Bertam itu ada- lah 6,785 ekar dan telah di-beli oleh Kesatuan Bank Kerja Sama Tanggongan Berhad, Province Wellesley dengan jumlah harga $2,260,000.
(b) (i) Kesatuan Bank Kerja Sama Tanggongan Berhad, Province Wellesley telah mendapat wang untok membeli tanah ini daripada: (i) Apex Bank ia-itu wang: Kerajaan Perseku- tuan Wang yang telah di-keluarkan lebeh daripada simpanan di- (overdraft) Bank Chartered dengan jaminan Kerajaan Wang Pasaran Padi yang di-simpan di- Apex Bank ... $ 850,640 $ 350,000 812,460 (ii) Modal daripada pendudok2 Kam pong Baharu itu... 246,900 $2,260,000 3989 11 MARCH 1963 3990 (ii) Kedudokan Pinjaman seka- saperti ber- rang ada-lah ikut: Daripada Apex Bank dengan wang simpanan yang terdiri dari pada: Wang Simpanan Ke rajaan Persekutuan... $ 350,000 Pinjam- Sharikat meminjam Kerja Sama Polis Wang Simpanan Apex ... Bank sendiri 1,260,000 202,742 $1,812,742 (c) (i) Jumlah wang $350,000 dari pada Kerajaan Persekutuan khas itu untok membayar sa-bahagian daripada harga estet ini.
di-terima telah yang di-keluarkan (ii) Wang dengan jaminan Kerajaan lebeh dari simpanan-nya di- Chartered Bank telah di- chadangkan untok memberi pinjaman2 kapada Ahli2 Sharikat2 Pinjam-Meminjam Kerja Sama di-luar bandar melalui Sharikat2 dan Ke- satuan2 Bank masing2 dengan chagaran harta tidak ber- Tujuan2 memberi gerak.

pinjaman2 ini ada-lah untok menyelesaikan hutang2, me- tanah, membeli nyatukan dan memajukan tanah dan lain2.
Wang yang di-keluar kan lebeh daripada simpanan itu di-luluskan khas untok membeli estet Bertam.

bukan-lah kapada (iii) Wang Simpanan Pasaran Padi yang telah di-pinjam- kan kapada Apex Bank oleh untok memberi Kerajaan Sharikat2 modal supaya men- Kerja Sama padi jalankan Kerja Sama dan segala kerja menyelenggarakan padi untok telah di-gunakan pasaran, oleh Apex Bank sa-bagai pinjaman kapada Kesatuan Bank Kerja Sama Province Wellesley untok membeli estet itu.
pasaran (d) Pinjaman daripada $350,000 Perbendaharaan Kerajaan Per sekutuan telah di-luluskan oleh Menteri Kewangan.

(e) Estet ini sekarang di-punyai oleh Kesatuan Bank Kerja Sama Tanggongan Berhad, Province Wellesley, tetapi ada-lah di- jangka bahawa kesudahan-nya lebeh orang Melayu dan 500 orang China yang menjadi Ahli dalam Sharikat2 Kerja Sama yang ada mengambil bahagian dalam ran- changan ini, akan mempunyai tanah dalam estet ini.
kurang 1,000 MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND INDUSTRY Pineapple Canning Factory 4.
Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji Arshad bertanya kapada Menteri Per- dagangan dan Perusahaan: itu, di-mulakan (a) sudah-kah usaha mendirikan kilang nanas yang telah di-ranchangkan jika sudah, sa-takat mana kemajuan- ini, nya sa-hingga pada masa jika belum bila-kah ia akan di- mulakan ; (b) di-mana-kah kilang itu; tempat di-dirikan (c) berapa-kah perbelanjaan yang sa-habis2 kurang di-anggarkan chukup untok mendirikan kilang itu; (d) berapa-kah lebeh kurang bi- langan penanam2 nanas di-dalam negeri Johor yang di-anggarkan akan mendapat faedah dengan kilang itu apabila telah di-jalan- kan kelak dan berapa bilangan penanam2 nanas negeri Johor yang ada pada masa ini; dan lebeh kurang luas-nya kebun2 nanas dalam negeri Johor yang di-ketahui oleh Ke- menterian ini yang akan men dapat faedah dengan kilang itu apabila telah di-jalankan kelak.
(e) berapa Menteri Perdagangan dan Per usahaan (Dr Lim Swee Aim): (a) Pelan untok Kilang Nanas yang di-chadangkan itu sedang di- siapkan oleh arkitek, dan tender2 bangunan2 bagi mendirikan 3991 11 MARCH 1963 3992 akan dan memberi alat2 jentera dan perkakas di-keluarkan pada penghujong bulan Februari.

Ada-lah di-anggarkan bahawa pekerjaan mendirikan bangunan2 itu akan di-mulai dalam tempoh dua bulan lagi dan bangunan serta memasang alat2 jentera dan perkakas2 akan siap dalam masa 8 hingga 9 bulan.
(b) Pekan Nanas, Pontian, Johor.

(c) $5 juta.

(d) Kilang2 Nanas kepunyaan sen- diri yang ada sekarang mem- punyai tiga buah Ladang Nanas dan lebeh kurang ada 1,929 orang peladang2 kechil di-Johor.

Semua peladang2 kechil itu akan mendapat faedah daripada Ki lang ini melalui' Sharikat2 Kerja- sama mereka dan semua buah nanas mereka akan di-borong oleh Kilang itu.

Tambahan lagi, ahli2 ke- sa-tengah daripada luarga mereka akan mendapat pekerjaan dalam Kilang itu.
(e) Jumlah luas-nya Ladang Nanas di-Johor ada-lah 21,620 ekar.

Daripada jumlah ini, 7,307 ekar ada-lah di-selenggarakan oleh peladang2 kechil yang akan men dapat faedah daripada Kilang itu sa-bagai yang tersebut dalam (d) di-atas.

MINISTRY OF DEFENCE Protection for Fishermen within Malayan territorial waters 5, Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Defence to state what steps the Government has taken to protect and fishermen safeguard Malayan within Malayan territorial waters.
The Minister of Defence (Tun Haji Abdul Razak): The Royal Malayan Navy, supported with air reconnaissance by the Royal Malayan Air Force, maintains continuous sea patrols within Federation territorial waters and on the adjacent high seas.

Such patrols are designed to protect Malayan fisher men.

During the last year only two cases have been reported of our fishing craft being interfered with in our territorial waters.
I wish to point out, however, that a number of inci dents have occurred when our fisher their men have been traditional fishing grounds which lie outside our territorial waters but within Indonesian territorial waters.

The Royal Malayan Navy is unable to provide protection in these circumstances.

fishing in Basis of promotion in the Armed Forces 6.

Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Defence to state what is the basis of promotion in the Armed Forces.
Tun Haji Abdul Razak: The promo the Federation in the is based on tion of officers Armed Forces following general principles: the (a) Promotions to rank of Captain in the Army, Lieutenant in the Navy or Flight Lieutenant in the Air Force are made to the grade and promotion above the rank of Captain, Lieutenant and Flight Lieutenant are made against vacancies in the autho rised establishment; (b) An officer is promoted when recommended by his Comman ding Officer and in the case of officers above the rank of Lieu tenant, Flying Officer or Sub- Lieutenant by the appropriate selection board; (c) Officers are not normally recom mended for promotion unless they have passed such examina tions or attended such profes sional qualifications or have completed such service as may be laid down from time to time for promotion to that rank; (d) Officers holding short service commissions are promoted in regular the same manner as officers.
Ministry of External Affairs bertanya President Macagapal's Speech 7.
Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji Arshad Perdana Menteri sudah-kah Kerajaan menerima laporan lengkap daripada Duta Malaya uchapan di-Pilipina atas ra'ayat Presiden Macapagal kapada perkara kapada 3993 11 MARCH 1963 3994 Pilipina baru2 ini yang menyerang dan menudoh Malaya sa-bagai hendak menjadi Kuasa Penjajahan Baharu di- Kalimantan Utara (Berunai, Serawak dan Sabah) dan jika sudah, apa-kah tindakan2 balas yang telah di-lakukan sa-hingga ini oleh Kerajaan Malaya terhadap Kerajaan Pilipina itu menerusi saloran diplomatik atau yang bukan diplomatik.
oleh di-lafazkan terutama sekali dengan Perdana Menteri: Kerajaan Per- sekutuan telah menerima suatu laporan lengkap daripada Duta Besar Per- sekutuan Tanah Melayu di-Pilipina berkenaan dengan Uchapan Negara Presiden yang Macapagal dan perkara ini telah pun di-selenggarakan melalui saloran dip lomatik Pilipina dengan Kerajaan dengan menyatakan bahwa kita ber- dukachita atas pandangan yang telah di-nyatakan oleh Presiden Macapagal berkenaan dengan ranchangan Malay sia tudohan beliau bahwa Malaysia ia-lah lanjutan faham penjajahan.
Kerajaan kapada Persekutuan Tanah Melayu telah juga menerangkan gagasan Malaysia dan tujuan-nya yang sa-benar sa-bagai satu chara bagi menchapai kemerdekaan untok ra'ayat Sabah.

Kemerdekaan ini akan menjamin ketenteraman dalam bidang iktisad dan siasah bagi negeri2 di-kawasan Tenggara Asia dan juga menjadi kubu untok menentang penyu- supan Kominis.
Kita telah juga meminta penerangan daripada Kerajaan Pilipina mengenai pendirian mereka yang nam- pak-nya sekarang ini berubah dari pen dirian menuntut Sabah menjadi pen dirian menentang pembentokan Malay sia.

kapada 8.
kapada 8.

Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji Arshad bertanya Perdana Menteri benar-kah Kerajaan Malaya sedang menimbangkan perkara akan memutuskan perhubongan diplomatik terhadap Pilipina dan akan mengeluar- kan-nya daripada Pertubohan ASA, akibat Presiden serangan mulut jika benar bila-kah Macapagal tindakan itu akan mula di-laksanakan.
itu, Perdana Menteri: Kerajaan Per sekutuan Tanah Melayu tidak ada memikirkan, baik perkara memutuskan perhubongan diplomatik dengan Ke rajaan Pilipina mahu pun perkara mengeluarkan Pilipina daripada ASA.

kapada Persons granted Political Asylum 9.
Tuan Haji Hasan Adii bin Haji Perdana Arshad minta Menteri menerangkan butir2 yang sa- lengkap-nya berkenaan dengan orang2 yang mendapat perlindongan politik daripada Kerajaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu semenjak Merdeka, sa-hingga pada masa ini, dengan menerangkan nama2 yang penoh, daripada negeri mana ia datang, kera'ayatan asal-nya, tarikh mulai ia di-berikan perlindongan 'alamat-nya di-Tanah di-negeri Melayu pada masa ini, dan sebab ia di-berikan perlindongan politik itu.
ini, Perdana Menteri: Ada-lah berten- tangan dengan dasar Kerajaan Perseku tuan Tanah Melayu bagi menjawab soaPan yang tersebut di-atas kerana kepentingan orang ramai di-negeri ini.

Immigration Office, Ipoh the status of 10.


Enche' Chan Swee Ho: To ask the Minister of External Affairs to state what steps the Government will take to raise the Immigration Office at Ipoh to be similar to that of the Immigration Office at Penang in view of the increasing number of appli cations for passports being dealt with there.

Prime Minister: It is not intended to make Ipoh a Passport Issuing Office.
There are already two Passport Issuing Offices in the Federation, i.e., Penang and Kuala Lumpur, and the present arrangements are considered satisfactory since persons making their application for passports in Ipoh would normally get their passports within a week.

Passports issued by Penang and Ipoh Immigration Offices 11.
Enche' Chan Swee Ho: To ask the Minister of External Affairs to state the total number of passports issued by the Immigration Department in Penang Office and the relevant countries applied for during 1961 and 1962 and the total number of passports the Immigration Office at Ipoh during the same period.
issued by 3995 11 MARCH 1963 3996 Prime Minister: Total number of passports issued: 1961 Penang 12,632 Ipoh Nil 1962 Penang 11,945 Ipoh Nil Of the 12,632 passports issued in Penang in 1961, 3,448 were issued in respect of applications lodged in Ipoh; and of the 11,945 passports issued in Penang in 1962, 3,637 were issued in respect of applications lodged in Ipoh.

All passports are initially issued valid for travel to a standard number of countries and not for travel to any one particular country only.
Government Servants in the Immigration Department 12.

Enche' Chan Swee Ho: To ask the Minister of External Affairs to state the total number of Government servants, by sex, now serving in each of the offices of the Immigration Department in Malaya.

Prime Minister: The number of Government servants in the Immigra tion Department is as follows: PENANG— Div.

I, II and III .

„ IV .

59 males 22 „ KOTA BHARU— Div.

I, II and III .

• 9 „ „ IV RANTAU PANJANG— Div.

II and III IV „ PENGKALEN KUBOR— Div.


Ill TUMPAT— Div.

Ill ALOR STAR— Div.

II and III CHANGLOON— Div.

Ill PADANG BESAR— Div.

Ill IPOH— 3 „ 10 „ 1 male 4 males 3 „ 4 „ 4 „ 9 „ Div.

II and III .. 10 „ " IV KROH— Div.

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IV 1 male 4 males 1 male KUALA LUMPUR— Div.

I, II and III .. 31 males „ IV .. .. 3 „ PORT SWETTENHAM— Div.

Ill IV „ 6 5 1 female (Tele phone Operator) 1 female (Tempo rary Clerk) 1 female (Tempo rary Clerk) 3 females (Tempo rary Clerk) MALACCA— Div.
II and III IV JOHORE BAHRU— „ .

8 males 1 male Div.

I, II and III .

„ IV BATU PAHAT— Div.

in 9 males 1 male 4 males TOTAL .

212 males 6 females MINISTRY OF FINANCE Tonnage of Iron-ore Exports to Japan and Revenue Derived 13.
Enche' Chan Swee Ho: To ask the Minister of Finance to state what was the yearly tonnage of Iron-ore exported to Japan from Malaya for three years prior to the imposition of the extra 5 per cent duty and the total yearly revenue received by way of export duty on the export of this iron-ore.

The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan Siew Sin): The imposition of the extra 5 per cent duty on the export of iron- ore took effect on 21st December, 1961.
The revenue derived from the export of iron-ore, as well as the amount of iron-ore exported to Japan, for the three years immediately prior to the increase are given below.

No figure is available for the revenue from iron-ore in 1959, as it was not separately com piled then.

Export of Iron-ore to Japan 1959 1960 1961 ... 3,724,108 tons ... 5,373,777 tons ... 6,381,958 tons Revenue derived from export of Iron-ore to all destinations ... Not available ... $10,754,363 ... $13,656,295 14.
Enche' Chan Swee Ho: To ask the Minister of Finance to state what is the yearly tonnage of iron-ore exported to Japan and the yearly revenue received by the Government after the imposi tion of the extra 5 per cent duty, as compared with the period before the imposition of the said extra 5 per cent duty.
Enche' Tan Siew Sin: During the first ten months of 1962 the export of iron-ore to Japan, and the revenue derived from the export of iron-ore was as follows: Export of Iron-ore to Japan Revenue derived from export of Iron-ore to all destinations 6,052,759 tons .

$20,597,236 1962 Jan.-Oct. 3997 11 MARCH 1963 3998 Relief from Income Tax 15.
Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Finance to state the steps taken by the Inland Revenue Department to draw the attention of the to claim relief from Income Tax on the sums expended on maintenance of his property, fire insurance, life insurance and management expenses.

to his right taxpayer Enche' Tan Siew Sin: The returns issued by the Inland Revenue Depart ment to all taxpayers contain adequate "Notes" in order to assist them to till the returns correctly.
Among other things, these "Notes" contain an item in respect of "rents" and under this heading to taxpayer "attach a separate statement showing the address, gross rents receivable and the ground, land or quit rents, repairs, rates and other expenses payable in respect of the property let".

is asked the As regards life assurance, relief is given to individuals whether they own property or not.

Information about relief is given in the "Notes" accom panying to return individuals.
forms sent the Revenue from Motor Vehicle Licences and Petrol 16.

Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Finance to state the percentage increase in the amount of annual revenue derived from motor vehicles and petrol taxation in 1962 as compared with 1952. the In 1962, Enche' Tan Siew Sin: In 1952 the total revenue from motor vehicle regis tration fees, licence fees, and licences to of public service vehicles came $16.8 million.

total collection was $65.5 million.


The percentage increase in the amount of revenue derived from motor vehicles is thus 289.9 per cent over the years.

from petrol duties amounted to $31.0 million in 1952 and $73.5 million in 1962.

The percentage increase in the amount of revenue derived from petrol is thus 137.1 per cent over the years.

total collection The 17.


Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Finance to state the estimated yield in the current financial year from motor vehicle licences and petrol the actual amount tax and collected during 1962.

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: The actual yield from motor vehicle licences in 1962 amounted to $54.76 million.

The estimated revenue for 1963 is $59.13 million.


The actual revenue derived from duty on petrol in 1962 amounted to $73.53 million while the estimated revenue for 1963 is $79.76 million.

MINISTRY OF HEALTH Shortage of Doctors in Government Service 18.

Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Health to state what to steps the Government has in relieve Government Service.
taken the shortage of doctors The Minister of Health (Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib): The following steps have been taken by Government to overcome the shortage of doctors: (a) A Faculty of Medicine has been established at the University of Malaya, Kuala Lumpur.

The first batch of medical under graduates will be admitted in May, this year.
(b) An average of 20 Federal Scholarships and Bursaries, are annually provided by Govern ment to enable eligible candi dates to take up medicine at the University of Malaya or at the University of Singapore.

In addition average of 15 Colombo Plan Scholarships are annually obtained for medical in re under-graduate cognised universities in Com monwealth countries.

training an (c) Doctors are also available on assignment from Commonwealth the Colombo countries under Plan and other international sources.
(d) Recruitment of up to 60 doctors on contract from the Philippines, is now being undertaken.

3999 11 MARCH 1963 4000 Additional Doctor for Kampar Hospital 19.

Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Health to state whether the Government would provide tem porarily another doctor to the Kampar Hospital to provide for medical atten tion to the people of Kampar and surrounding districts, instead of the patients having to be sent to Tapah Hospital for treatment.
Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: In view of the existing shortage of doctors, it is not possible at present to post another doctor, temporarily or otherwise, the Kampar District Hospital.

It is not the normal practice to send patients from Kampar Hospital for treatment at the Tapah District Hospital.

to Shortage of Accommodation in Hospitals 20.


Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Health to state the Government's plans to in relieving the shortage of hospital accommodation in Kampar, Ipoh, Batu Gajah and Tapah.

regard Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: Since 1957, increases in bed capacity, as under, have been or are being made at the General Hospital, Ipoh, the District Hospital, Batu Gajah and the District Hospital, Tapah.
General Hospital, Ipoh District Hospital, A ward with 20 childrens beds is under construc Batu Gajah tion.

18 children's beds, 50 TB beds.

District Hospital, Tapah Increase in bed capacity at the District Hospital, Kampar, will have to depend upon the availability of funds and trained personnel.

21 General beds, 90 TB beds.

CANCER Deaths in Hospitals 21.


Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Health to state the total number of deaths which have occurred of patients suffering from cancer in all hospitals in the Federation of Malaya in the past five years.

Enche9 Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: The total number of deaths from cancer, in Government Hospitals in the Federation of Malaya, over the past five years, is 3,492.

Patients Undergoing Treatment 22.


Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Health to state the total number of cancer cases now undergoing treatment in all the hospitals in the Federation of Malaya.

Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: The total number of cancer cases now undergoing treatment in all hos pitals in the Federation of Malaya is 3,972.

Research 23.
Research 23.

Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Health to state whether steps will be taken by Government to start cancer research in this country.

Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: Cancer research on a limited scale is being carried out by Govern ment, in this country.

Number of Deaths in Hospitals 24.

Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Health to state the total number of deaths monthly of patients in each hospital in the Federa tion of Malaya from 1959 to December 1962.
Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: The monthly number of deaths in Government Hospitals in the Federa tion for 1959 to December 1962 is as follows: 1959 TOTAL NUMBER OF DEATHS IN EACH HOSPITAL MONTH BY MONTH Jan. Feb. Mar.

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May June July Aug. Sept. Oct. Nov. Dec. STATE: PERLIS Kangar Hospital 12 17 15 23 13 11 14 4001 STATE: PENANG General Hospital Maternity Hospital Perak Road Hospital District Hospital, Balik Pulau T. B.
Hospital District Hospital, Butterworth District Hospital, Bukit Mertajam District Hospital, Sungei Bakap STATE: KEDAH General Hospital, Alor Star District Hospital, Sungei Patani District Hospital, Kulim District Hospital, Baling District Hospital, Langkawi STATE: PERAK District Hospital, Parit Buntar District Hospital, Taiping .. District Hospital, Kuala Kangsar Women Hospital, Kuala Kangsar General Hospital, Tpoh District Hospital, Batu Gajah District Hospital, Kampar .. District Hospital, Tapah District Hospital, Tanjong Malim District Hospital, Teluk Anson District Hospital, Lumut District Hospital, Grik STATE: SELANGOR Bungsar Hospital, Kuala Lumpur General Hospital, Kuala Lumpur T. B.
Hospital, Kuala Lumpur Tai Wan Hospital, Kuala Lumpur District Hospital, Klang District Hospital, Kajang District Hospital, Kuala Kubu Bharu .. .

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STATE: NEGERI SEMBILAN General Hospital, Seremban District Hospital, Port Dickson District Hospital, Tampin .. District Hospital, Kuala Pilah District Hospital, Jelebu STATE: MALACCA General Hospital, Malacca .. District Hospital, Alor Gajah STATE: JOHORE General Hospital, Johore Bahru District Hospital, Kota Tinggi .. District Hospital, Pontian District Hospital, Batu Pahat District Hospital, Kluang District Hospital, Mersing District Hospital, Muar District Hospital, Tangkak District Hospital, Segamat .. .. .. STATE: KELANTAN General Hospital, Kota Bharu District Hospital, Kuala Krai STATE: TRENGGANU General Hospital, Kuala Trengganu District Hospital, Kemaman District Hospital, Dungun District Hospital, Besut .. STATE: PAHANG District Hospital, Pekan General Hospital, Kuantan .. District Hospital, Kuala Lipis District Hospital, Raub District Hospital, Bentong District Hospital, Mentakab .. - .
11 MARCH 1963 1959—(cont.)

4002 Jan. Feb. Mar.

Apr.
May June July Aug. Sept. Oct. Nov. Dec. 77 13 2 1 2 11 19 2 37 18 17 1 1 3 46 6 6 67 23 8 10 6 30 12 1 76 7 1 — 9 10 22 2 72 6 1 — 8 12 16 5 28 32 12 — 1 4 37 7 4 54 18 9 18 2 27 9 — 24 24 18 2 — 9 36 7 12 63 19 8 12 3 28 8 — 62 11 1 — 3 18 27 7 39 28 11 1 — 9 32 3 11 78 23 4 14 4 20 10 2 • — 78 11 .— — 37 13 9 1 128 5 1 43 7 15 4 109 — — — 17 12 2 40 10 13 22 5 45 2 67 7 6 28 22 4 38 5 14 18 2 7 2 — 1 4 — — .
— — 3 11 10 12 7 9 TOTAL NUMBER OF DEATHS IN EACH HOSPITAL MONTH BY MONTH STATE: PERLIS Kangar Hospital Jan. Feb. Mar.
Apr.

May June July Aug. Sept. Oct. Nov. Dec. 12 13 13 8 13 15 11 12 14 12 18 18 4003 11 MARCH 1963 4004 I960—(cont.)

Jan. Feb. Mar.

Apr.
May June July Aug. Sept. Oct. Nov. Dec. S T A T E: K E D AH G e n e r al H o s p i t a l, A l or Star District H o s p i t a l, Sungei P a t a ni District H o s p i t a l, K u l im District H o s p i t a l, Baling District H o s p i t a l, L a n g k a wi S T A T E: P E N A NG G e n e r al H o s p i t al M a t e r n i ty P e r ak R o ad District H o s p i t a l, Balik P u l au T. B. H o s p i t al District H o s p i t a l, B u t t e r w o r th District H o s p i t a l, Bukit M e r t a j am District H o s p i t a l, Sungei B a k ap S T A T E: P E R AK District H o s p i t a l, P a r it B u n t ar District H o s p i t a l, Taiping .. District H o s p i t a l, K u a la K a n g s ar W o m e n 's H o s p i t a l, K u a la K a n g s ar G e n e r al H o s p i t a l, I p oh District H o s p i t a l, Batu G a j ah District H o s p i t a l, K a m p ar .. District H o s p i t a l, T a p ah District H o s p i t a l, Tanjong M a l im District H o s p i t a l, Teluk A n s on District H o s p i t a l, L u m ut District H o s p i t a l, G r ik S T A T E: S E L A N G OR .. Bungsar H o s p i t a l, K u a la L u m p ur G e n e r al H o s p i t a l, K u a la L u m p ur ..
Tuberculosis Hospital, K u a la L u m p ur T ai W ah H o s p i t al District H o s p i t a l, K l a ng District H o s p i t a l, K a j a ng District H o s p i t a l, K u a la K u bu B h a ru S T A T E: N E G E RI S E M B I L AN G e n e r al H o s p i t a l, S e r e m b an District H o s p i t a l, T a m p in .. District H o s p i t a l, K u a la Pilah District H o s p i t a l, P o rt D i c k s on District H o s p i t a l, Jelabu S T A T E: M A L A C CA .. G e n e r al H o s p i t a l, Malacca District H o s p i t a l, A l or G a j ah S T A TE J O H O RE G e n e r al H o s p i t a l, District H o s p i t a l, District H o s p i t a l, District H o s p i t a l, District H o s p i t a l, District H o s p i t a l, District H o s p i t a l, District H o s p i t a l, District H o s p i t a l, J o h o re B a h ru M u ar K l u a ng Batu P a h at .. Segamat .. P o n t i an T a n g k ak .. K o ta Tinggi .. Mersing S T A T E: K E L A N T AN G e n e r al H o s p i t a l, K o ta B h a ru District H o s p i t a l, K u a la K r ai S T A T E: T R E N G G A NU G e n e r al H o s p i t a l, K u a la T r e n g g a nu District H o s p i t a l, K e m a m an District H o s p i t a l, D u n g un District H o s p i t a l, Besut S T A T E: P A H A NG District H o s p i t a l, P e k an District H o s p i t a l, K u a n t an .. District H o s p i t a l, K u a la Lipis District H o s p i t a l, R a ub District H o s p i t a l, Bentong District H o s p i t a l, M e n t a k ab .. 14
— — TOTAL NUMBER OF DEATHS IN EACH HOSPITAL MONTH BY MONTH S T A T E: P E R L IS K a n g ar H o s p i t al Jan. Feb. Mar.
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May June July Aug. Sept. Oct. Nov. Dec. 11 11 13 15 9 12 12 14 12 13 16 15 4005 STATE: KEDAH General Hospital, Alor Star District Hospital, Sungei Patani District Hospital, Kulim District Hospital, Baling District Hospital, Langkawi .. STATE: PENANG General Hospital, Penang Maternity Hospital Perak Road, Hospital District Hospital, Balik Pualu T. B.
Hospital District Hospital, Butterworth District Hospital, Bukit Mertajam , District Hospital, Sungei Bakap STATE: PERAK District Hospital, Parit Buntar District Hospital, Taiping District District Hospital, Kuala Kangsar Women's Hospital, Kuala Kangsar General Hospital, Ipoh District Hospital, Batu Gajah District Hospital, Kampar .. District Hospital, Tapah District Hospital, Tanjong Malim District Hospital, Telok Anson District Hospital, Lumut District Hospital, Grik STATE: SELANGOR Bungsar Hospital, Kuala Lumpur General Hospital, Kuala Lumpur T. B.
Hospital, Kuala Lumpur Tai Wah Hospital, Kuala Lumpur District Hospital, Klang District Hospital, Kajang District Hospital, Kuala Kubu Bharu STATE: NEGERI SEMBILAN General Hospital, Seremban District Hospital, Tampin .. District Hospital, Kuala Pilah District Hospital, Port Dickson District Hospital, Jelebu STATE: MALACCA General Hospital, Malacca .. District Hospital, Alor Gajah STATE: JOHORE General Hospital, District Hospital, District Hospital, District Hospital, District Hospital, District Hospital, District Hospital, District Hospital, District Hospital, Johore Bahru Muar Kluang Batu Pahat .. Segamat .. Pontian Tangkak .. Kota Tinggi .. Mersing STATE: KELANTAN General Hospital, Kota Bharu District Hospital, Kuala Krai STATE: TRENGGANU General Hospital, Kuala Trengganu District Hospital, Kemaman District Hospital, Dungun District Hospital, Besut STATE: PAHANG District Hospital, Pekan General Hospital, Kuantan .. District Hospital, Kuala Lipis District Hospital, Raub District Hospital, Bentong District Hospital, Mentakab .. 11 MARCH 1963 1961—(cont.)
4006 Jan. Feb. Mar.

Apr.
May June July Aug. Sept. Oct. Nov. Dec. — 69 14 1 — 12 3 14 7 8 39 8 7 79 14 11 11 3 29 10 — 2 125 2 3 29 9 7 44 24 20 5 2 44 16 2 — 9 12 10 13 8 47 13 15 91 26 9 8 9 24 8 — — 1 68 18 3 3 9 14 10 !
49 5 18 84 21 11 11 7 26 11 — 47 25 10 1 3 69 18 — — -~~ 46 — 47 2 46 2 59 3 60 — 56 2 50 3 54 — ~~~ 21 3 3 1 4 8 7 5 10 9 !
11 16 12 12 9 17 2 4 1 2 12 7 7 11 9 8 3 3 — , 14 12 12 12 14 2 10 10 9 22 13 9 2 3 — TOTAL NUMBER OF DEATHS IN EACH HOSPITAL MONTH BY MONTH STATE: PERLIS Kangar Hospital Jan. Feb. Mar.

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May June July Aug. Sept. Oct. Nov. .. 10 7 12 13 14 9 14 8 13 16 20 Dec. 12 4007 11 MARCH 1963 1962- -{cont.)
4008 STATE: KEDAH General Hospital, Alor Star District Hospital, Sungei Patani District Hospital, Kulim District Hospital, Baling District Hospital, Pulau Langkawi .

.. STATE: PENANG General Hospital, Penang Maternity Hospital Perak Road Hospital District Hospital, Balik Pulau T. B.
Hospital District Hospital, Butterworth District Hospital, Bukit Mertajam District Hospital, Sungei Bakap STATE: PERAK District Hospital, Parit Buntar District Hospital Taiping District Hospital, Kuala Kangsar Women's Hospital, Kuala Kangsar General Hospital, Ipoh District Hospital, Batu Gajah District Hospital, Kampar .. District Hospital, Tapah District Hospital, Tanjong Malim District Hospital, Telok Anson District Hospital, Lumut District Hospital, Grik STATE: SELANGOR General Hospital, Kuala Lumpur T. B.
Hospital, Kuala Lumpur Tai Wah Hospital, Kuala Lumpur District Hospital, Klang District Hospital, Kajang District Hospital, Kuala Kubu Bharu Jan. Feb. Mar.

Apr.
May June July Aug. Sept. Oct. Nov. Dec 48 25 13 3 — — .— 17 15 5 81 32 2 — 1 12 19 5 5 30 3 7 71 27 6 12 8 27 13 4 10 48 6 6 79 22 2 14 10 22 12 — 39 22 20 3 — 83 8 1 — 1 7 26 10 3 40 7 6 93 21 7 16 5 33 14 1 49 37 22 2 3 81 15 2 — 8 10 19 11 9 76 8 12 104 20 11 12 3 20 10 2 56 20 16 1 — 78 14 3 — — 74 27 2 — 3 14 20 6 39 27 15 6 1 71 12 1 1 7 16 7 10 39 30 26 1 1 40 14 3 —.
STATE: NEGERI SEMBILAN General Hospital, Seremban District Hospital, Tampin .
District Hospital, Kuala Pilah District Hospital, Port Dickson District Hospital, Jelebu STATE: MALACCA General Hospital, Malacca .. District Hospital, Alor Gajah STATE: JOHORE General Hospital, District Hospital, District Hospital, District Hospital, District Hospital, District Hospital, District Hospital, District Hospital, District Hospital, Johore Bahru Muar Kluang Batu Pahat Segamat .. Pontian Tangkak .. Kota Tinggi .. Mersing STATE: KELANTAN General Hospital, Kota Bharu District Hospital, Kuala Krai STATE: TRENGGANU General Hospital, Kuala Trengganu District Hospital, Kemaman District Hospital, Dungun District Hospital, Besut STATE: PAHANG District Hospital, Pekan General Hospital, Kuantan .. District Hospital, Kuala Lipis District Hospital, Raub District Hospital, Bentong District Hospital, Mentakab .. — — 27 7 23 5 18 1 14 4 18 2 15 2 14 3 17 3 21 6 10 7 16 4 5 — 13 8 9 17 11 28 3 4 1 3 16 9 9 10 6 13 3 2 — 3 11 10 8 10 9 17 4 3 2 2 9 2 11 7 10 12 — 1 — 3 18 10 8 9 9 11 4 3 1 3 13 9 13 17 10 15 2 5 3 1 18 11 7 17 13 10 2 2 — 1 14 8 9 17 16 17 6 2 1 1 12 3 15 9 13 14 I 5 4 2 18 8 11 8 13 24 3 6 2 2 16 8 10 15 6 13 2 6 4 j U 5 10 9 Bronchitis and Tuberculosis Cases 25.
Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Health to state the and percentage of (b) tuberculosis cases in the Federation during the past ten years; and if he will (a) bronchitis give the figures for these diseases for the States of Perak, Selangor and Negeri Sembilan.

Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: The question is vague and is not understood.
The number of fully 4009 11 MARCH 1963 4010 (a) bronchitis and (b) tuberculosis cases treated in Government hospitals during the past ten years are as under: Tuberculosis Cases .

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1953 1954 1955 1956 1957 1958 1959 1960 1961 1962 Bronchitis Cases Out In patients patients 346,722 7,923 390,587 6,938 330,051 7,192 322,206 7,720 440,663 7,342 423,325 7,327 513,475 7,041 488,478 7,229 485,482 6,173 522,706 7,271 The corresponding figures for Out patients 5,356 6,283 5,812 6,001 19,513 13,249 6,939 7,655 6,807 6,789 the States of Perak, Selangor and Negeri Sembilan are as under: In patients 5,847 6,451 6,572 7,155 8,283 7,919 8,188 8,088 8,802 8,679 .

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PERAK Bronchitis Cases Out In- Patients patients 73,240 1,615 86,025 1,477 83,967 1,494 1,628 88,140 1,328 98,210 1,439 100,140 1,159 106,226 1,484 93,166 92,887 1,114 112,408 1,127 SELANGOR Bronchitis Cases Out In- Patients patients 47,591 805 55,123 681 63,813 869 61,961 968 72,150 672 71,274 877 77,100 861 82,007 955 70,567 656 77,037 1,589 Tuberculosis Cases In patients 1,105 1,022 1,091 1,172 1,582 1,509 1,490 1,509 1,677 1,782 Out- Patients 789 830 870 1,328 1,429 1,239 1,273 1,614 1,831 1,898 Tuberculosis Cases In- , Out patients Patients 1,112 1,159 1,321 1,689 2,268 2,483 2,368 2,763 2,322 1,278 865 985 828 1,020 1,027 1,152 1,262 1,070 1,294 4,996 NEGERI SEMBILAN available available available available Bronchitis Cases Out In- patients Patients Not Not Not Not 1,053 1,124 1,405 1,047 864 835 43,541 36,887 68,230 640,577 51,263 53,079 Tuberculosis Cases In- Out- Patients Patients Not available Not available Not available Not available Leucotomy 26.
Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Health to state how leucotomy cases have been many treated without success during the past ten years.

Enche9 Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: No leucotomy has been per formed during the past ten years.

MENTAL HOSPITALS Number of Patients 27.

Enche9 Chan Yoon Onn: To ask to state the Minister of Health the number of patients in each mental hospital in the Federation during the past ten years.
Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: The number of patients in each Mental Hospital on 1st January, in the past 10 years is as under: Year 1953 1954 1955 1956 1957 1958 1959 1960 1961 1962 Central Mental Hospital, Tanjong Rambutan 3,311 3,462 3,697 3,607 3,790 3,865 4,083 4,228 4,276 4,584 Tampoi Mental Hospital, Johore Bahru 472 836 962 1,174 1,235 1,340 1,446 1,498 1,630 1,739 Number Admitted and Discharged 28.
Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Health the number of cases admitted to the Mental the Hospitals number discharged during the past 10 years, and how many of them are still detained to-date.

the Federation, to state in Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: The number of cases admitted into and discharged from the Mental Hospitals in the Federation of Malaya, during the past 10 years is as under: Year DISCHARGED ADMISSION .

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1953 1954 1955 1956 1957 1958 1959 1960 1961 1962 T.M.H.

C.M.H.
C.M.H.

1,928 713 590 1,659 768 1,557 730 1,805 1,971 886 1,782 993 1,499 1,065 1,676 1,160 1,888 1,156 1,831 1,268 The number still hospitals as at 31st as under: .

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T.M.H.

349 464 556 669 781 887 1,013 1,028 1,047 1,203 C.M.H.

1,777 1,424 1,647 1,622 1,896 1,564 1,354 1,628 1,580 2,422 remaining in these January, 1963, is Central Mental Hospital, Tanjong Rambutan ... Tampoi Mental Hospital, Johore Bahru 4,032 1,765 4011 11 MARCH 1963 4012 Leper Patients 29.
Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Health to state how many leper patients in the Sungei Buloh Settlement have been admitted and discharged during the past ten years and how many of them are still detained to-date.

of Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Taiib: The patients number admitted into and discharged from the Sungei Buloh Leprosarium during the past ten years is as under: Year 1953 1954 1955 1956 1957 1958 1959 1960 1961 1962 No.

admitted 505 525 575 512 512 540 530 541 508 561 No.
discharged 456 584 547 506 618 472 493 457 495 582 in the Leprosarium as at 31st January, 1963, is 2,505.

The number of patients Average Cost of Food of 2nd and 3rd Class Ward Patients 30.

Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Health to state what is the average daily cost per head of food supplied to patients in 2nd and 3rd class wards in the General Hospitals of each State in Malaya.
Enche9 Abdul Rahman bin Haji Taiib: The average cost of food per patient per day in General Hospitals, in each State, is as under: 2nd Class $1.57 1.88 1.89 1.27 .86 1.13 ... ... ... ... ... ... 3rd Class $1.10 1.51 .96 .86 .72 .88 MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING Official Spokesmen 31.

Enche9 Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Prime Minister to state how many official spokesmen are employed in the Information Department to make state ments on foreign policy.
is a spokesman of Prime Minister: The Director of Information the Government (and so are other Heads of Departments in respect of matters concerning their own Departments).

If any statement made by him appears to touch on foreign policy or any policy of Government, it is only because the Director is instructed to do so by the Government.

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32.

Enche9 Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Prime Minister to state how many Government servants, by sex, employed in the Information and Broadcasting Ministry, to make are authorised official statements to the Press.

Prime Minister: The Heads of Departments within the Ministry are authorised to make official statements to the Press, but the deputies and other senior officers may make statements to the press in the absence of the Heads of Department if and when so authorised.

total 33.
Enche9 Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Prime Minister to state what was the the Department of Broadcasting in respect of (1) Radio Licences and (2) Adver tisement fees during 1961 and 1962. received by revenue Prime Minister: The total revenue received by the Department of Broad casting in respect of (1) Radio Licences and (2) Advertisement fees during 1961 and 1962 are as follows: 1961 (1) Radio Licences (2) Advertisement fees... Nil ... $3,177,564 1962 (1) Radio Licences (2) Advertisement fees... ... $3,898,748 2,749,424 1.71 1.34 1.40 1.10 1.12 1.06 1.02 .82 1.02 .84 MINISTRY OF THE INTERIOR Extension of the Period for Renewal of Old Identity Cards 34.
Enche9 Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of the Interior to state Perlis Kedah Penang Perak Selangor Negeri Sembi- Ian Malacca Johore Kelantan Trengganu Pahang 4013 11 MARCH 1963 4014 whether in view of there being many hardships for holders of old National Registration Identity Cards to renew and the late replies to applicants, the Government will reconsider extending the period for renewals by a further six months.
received applications The Minister of the Interior (Dato' Dr Ismail bin Dato' Haji Abdul Rahman): Applications for renewal of old Identity Cards, however, will con tinue to be accepted and the number of such the Central Registry up to 18th February, 1963, is only 152.

Government will late sympathetically applications in the light of the reasons given therefor.

In view of this, the Government considers that the plea of hardship is groundless and that exten sion of the registration period unneces sary.
consider these at Issue of Identity Cards to Children Aged Twelve Years 35.

Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of the Interior to state the steps Government has taken to expedite the issue of Identity Cards to children who attain the age of 12 years.

Dato' Dr Ismail: The Registration Department has resumed its normal functions as from 1st February, 1963, and will issue Identity Cards to 12-year old children without any delay as and when applications are received.
Dato' Dr Ismail: The Births and Deaths Central Registry is at Petaling Jaya.

All applications for Extracts of Births Register received up to Decem ber, 1962, have been dealt with and extracts in all cases where correct particulars had been supplied.

The allegation of delay for as long as one year is not correct.

issued Average Cost of Food Supplied to Prisoners 37.
Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of the Interior to state what is the average cost per head per week of food supplied to prisoners in the jails at Taiping, Batu Gajah, and in the Central Jail at Shaw Road, Kuala Lumpur.

Dato' Dr Ismail: The average cost per head per week of rations supplied to prisoners in the Prisons at Taiping, Kuala Lumpur and Batu Gajah are as follows: (i) Taiping Prison—$3.78 per pri soner per week.

(ii) Kuala Lumpur per prisoner per week.


(iii) Batu Gajah—Henry School—$5.78 per week.

Prison—$3.78 Gurney inmate per With regard to item (iii) there is no rations contract for this school and rations are obtained by local purchase.

Further there are only 7 inmates at the Henry Gurney School, Batu Gajah.

Issue of Extracts of Birth Certificates 36.


Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of the Interior to state the reason for there being still great delay in replying to applicants for extracts of Birth Certificate the Central Registry of Births and Deaths, Kuala Lumpur, in some cases for as long as over a year.

from MINISTRY OF JUSTICE Number of Cases heard in Juvenile Courts 38.
Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Justice to state how juvenile cases are now being many dealt with monthly by the Juvenile Courts of Malaya.

Prime Minister: JUVENILE CASES—1962 State J h Kedah/Perlis Kelantan Malacca Negeri Sembilan Pahang Penang Perak Selangor Trengganu G R A ND TOTAL .

8 5 17 8 15 3 8 4 2 4 4 8 4 1 11 1 3 Jan. Feb. Mar.

Apr.
Apr.

May June July Aug. Sept. Oct. Nov. Dec. Total 8 12 1o t I 6 11 3 2 130 134 140 135 118 141 8 4015 11 MARCH 1963 4016 Ceiling Fans in Public Galleries of Court-houses 39.
Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Justice to state the steps taken by Government to provide ceiling fans in public galleries in Court houses.

Prime Minister: Ceiling fans are already installed in the public galleries in a good number of Court-houses.

Steps are now being taken this year to provide 11 more Court-houses with fans under P.W.D.

Minor Works.

All courts will eventually be provided with fans as funds become available.
MINISTRY OF LABOUR AND SOCIAL WELFARE Assistance to Organisations Catering for Spastic Children 40.

Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Labour and Social Welfare to state what assistance the Government has given to public orga nisations devoted to the care of spastic children in Malaya and the Spastic Children's Association of Selangor respectively.
The Minister of Labour and Social Welfare bin (Enche' Bahaman Samsudin): At present there is only one voluntary organisation catering for spastic children in Malaya and that is the Spastic Children's Associa tion, Selangor.

This organisation works in close co-operation with the Depart ment of Social Welfare and is given, in addition technical advice and guidance, an annual grant of $8,000.

to MINISTRY OF RURAL DEVELOPMENT Production of Coal 41.
Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Rural Development to state what is the present output of coal in Malaya and the supply of coal for internal consumption and for export.

The Deputy Prime Minister (Tun Haji Abdul Razak): The present output of coal in the Federation of Malaya is nil.

No coal has been produced for internal consumption or for export since January, I960, when the coal mine at Batu Arang, Selangor, closed down.
MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT Train Service between Tapah and Telok Anson for School Children 42.
Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji Arshad bertanya kapada Menteri Pengangkutan ada-kah Kerajaan sedar ia-itu lebeh daripada 300 orang kanak2 sekolah ia-itu anak2 kaum tani di- kawasan sawah padi Degong, Sungai Manik, Chikus, Sungai Tukang Sidin, Sungai Kerawai, mengalami kesusahan hendak pergi ka-sekolah2 di-bandar Telok Anson, akibat Kerajaan sengaja memberhentikan perkhidmatan keretapi pagi, antara pukul 5 dengan pukul 7 pagi dari Tapah Road ka-Telok Anson pada masa ini.
Menteri Pengangkutan (Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Keretapi antara pukul 5 pagi dengan pukul 7 pagi dari Tapah Road ka-Telok Anson tidak di-jalankan balek sa-lepas mogok keretapi dahulu kerana ada kesusahan2 menjalankan-nya.

Sa-buah keretapi tambahan yang bertolak dari Tapah Road pada pukul 6.15 pagi dan sampai ka-pelabohan Telok Anson pukul 7.18 pagi telah di-adakan mulai' daripada 27 haribulan February ia-lah untok budak2 sekolah yang hendak pergi ka- Telok Anson.
Jadual2 lain pun di-ubah juga ia-lah bagi menyenangkan budak2 sekolah yang pergi sekolah tengah hari.

MINISTRY OF WORKS, POSTS AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS Post Office Boxes in Trains 43.

Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications to state what steps the Government has taken to restore the post office boxes in all trains running between Penang and Singapore.
The Minister of Works, Posts and (Dato' V. T. is under Telecommunications Sambanthan): This matter active investigation.

Number of Government Servants in Public Works, Postal and Telecommunications Departments 44.

Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications to state the num ber of Government servants, by sex, 4017 11 MARCH 1963 4018 in the (a) Public Works Department, (b) Postal Department and (c) Depart ment of Telecommunications, for the past five years.
Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: The number of Government servants are as follows: PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT Year Monthly Rated Daily Rated Total M. 500 585 655 689 880 F. 49 72 81 93 153 M. F. 7,491 579 7,841 528 8,211 469 8,577 400 8,946 353 M. 7,991 8,426 8,866 9,266 9,826 F. 628 600 550 493 506 POSTAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT Male Employees 2,210 2,300 2,360 2,494 2,619 Female Employees 122 133 167 209 242 1958 1959 1960 1961 1962 Year 1958 1959 1960 1961 1962 TELECOMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT Year Monthly Rated Daily Rated Total M. 2,158 2,224 2,184 2,225 2,347 F. 896 911 924 948 908 1958 1959 1960 1961 1962 M. 2,851 2,862 2,787 2,774 2,916 F. 12 12 12 11 11 M. 5,009 5,086 4,971 4,999 5,263 F. 908 923 936 959 919 PRIME MINISTER'S DEPARTMENT Cabinet Changes 45.
Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Prime Minister to state the dates on which the Cabinet has been changed in the past ten years, the names of the Ministers in each case, and the reasons for each change.

starts only Prime Minister: The Cabinet system after of Government Independence and if the Honourable Member has been following events of the last few years, he will no doubt be aware of Cabinet changes that have taken place.
Cabinet changes are not unusual in countries which adopt a parliamentary system of Government and it is not the practice to reveal the reasons for any change that may take place from time to time.

Government Employees in and outside the Federation of Malaya 46.

Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Prime Minister to state the total number of Government servants, by sex, now serving (a) in the Federation of Malaya and (b) outside the Federa tion of Malaya stating the places where they are stationed.
the Prime Minister: From last figures available, the total number of Government servants serving in and outside the Federation of Malaya are as follows: (a) Federation of Malaya: Approxi mately 74,583 Males and 12,925 Females, in the Divisions I-IV of the Public Service; and (b) Outside of Malaya: 75 Males and 5 Females in the following places: Female 2 — — ... Place London Canberra Sydney Delhi Madras Karachi Washington New York Bangkok Songkhla Jakarta Medan Paris Tokyo Manila Jedah Cairo Bonn Saigon ... ...
Male 9 5 1 4 2 4 8 5 6 1 5 2 5 5 4 2 3 2 2 75 — — 1 1 — — — — — — 1 — 5 Salary of Police Constables 47.

Enche' Chin See Yin: To ask the Prime Minister to state when was the salary scale of the Police Constables last revised bringing it to $60/110- A6-152 vide Estimates of Federal Esti mates for the year 1963.

Prime Minister: The salary scale of the Police Constables was last revised on 1st September, 1957.

4019 11 MARCH 1963 4020 48.


Enche5 Chin See Yin: To ask the Prime Minister to state whether further representation has been made to the Federation Government to increase the present salary scale for the Police Constables, if so, what is the present position.

Prime Minister: Yes.

The Junior Police Officers' Association made a representation to the Commissioner of Police on 11th April, 1962, to increase the present salary scale.
The matter is now being examined in conjunction with the Ministry of Internal Security, the Treasury, and the Federation Estab lishment Office.

49.

Enche' Chin See Yin: To ask the Prime Minister to state, in view of the recent increase of wages made to the employees of the Malayan Railway, the Federation Government whether contemplates the present salary scale for the Police constables, if not, to state reasons.
revise to Prime Minister: It does not neces sarily follow that because of the recent increase of wages made to the em ployees of the Malayan Railway, all services should be given a corres ponding increase in their salary scales.

Each case will be considered on its own merits and the case of the Police Constables is treated likewise.

Recognition of Degrees of the Nanyang University, Singapore 50.
Enche' Chin See Yin: To ask the Prime Minister to state, in view of the the Singapore recognition given by Government, whether the degrees and academic qualifications from the Nan yang University in Singapore will be the Federation given recognition by the state if not, Government, reasons.
to Prime Minister: Recognition of a University Degree is based on several factors including the following: (a) Entry qualification into the University; (b) Qualification of the University staff; (c) The Examination system; (d) Main medium of Instruction.

It is considered that the degrees and other academic qualifications of Nan yang University are not up the required standard.

to MINISTRY OF EDUCATION SECONDARY SCHOOL ENTRANCE EXAMINATION, 1962 Number of Entrants 51.
Enche' Chin See Yin: To ask the the Minister of Education to state number of pupils who sat for the Secondary School Entrance Examina the Federation of tion Malaya in the following: (a) National Type Primary Schools— in 1962 in Malay Medium; (b) National Type Primary Schools— English Medium; (c) National Type Primary Schools— Chinese Medium; (d) National Type Primary Schools— Tamil Medium.
The Minister of Education (Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan): The number of entries for the 1962 Malayan Secondary Schools Entrance Examina tion is as follows: (a) National Primary Schools (b) National Type Primary Schools ... 34,765 (English Medium) 38,203 (c) National Type Primary Schools (Chinese Medium) (d) National Type Primary Schools ... (Tamil Medium) ... 50,114 5,283 Number of Passes and Failures to state 52.
Enche' Chin See Yin: To ask the Minister of Education the number of pupils who (a) passed and the Secondary School (b) failed Entrance Examination in 1962 in the Federation of Malaya in the following: (a) National Type Primary Schools— in Malay Medium; (b) National Type Primary Schools— English Medium; (c) National Type Primary Schools— Chinese Medium; (d) National Type Primary Schools— Tamil Medium.
4021 11 MARCH 1963 Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: The number of pupils who obtained promo tion or respectively are as follows: failed Promoted Failed (a) National Primary Schools 12,117 22,648 (b) National Type Primary (English Me Schools dium) 20,534 17,669 (c) National Type Primary (Chinese Me Schools dium) (d) National Type Primary Schools (Tamil Medium) 17,233 32,881 1,529 3,754 53.
Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji kapada Menteri Arshad Pelajaran: bertanya tahun (1) berapa bilangan murid2 Darjah Enam 1962 daripada Sekolah2 Kebangsaan, Sekolah2 Jenis Kebangsaan yang masok Pepereksaan Sekolah Menengah pada hujong tahun 1962 dalam tiap2 Negeri; dan (2) berapa orang daripada murid2 ini yang mendapat Grade A, B, C dan berapa bilangan yang tiada jenis sekolah itu dan berapa peratus kelulusan dalam sekolah2 ini.
lulus dari satu2 Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: itu Perkhabaran yang di-kehendaki ada-lah saperti di-bawah ini: (1) Bilangan murid2 yang masok Pepereksaan Sekolah Menengah tahun 1962— Kuala Lumpur .

Seiangor ... Negeri Sembilan.

Melaka Johor Pahang Trengganu Kelantan ... Pedis Kedah Pulau Pinang Perak Sekolah Kebangsaan 758 .

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2,766 .

1,884 .

2,177 .

6,321 .

1,820 .

1,763 .

2,848 .

1,002 .

4,516 .

2,035 .

1,875 Sekolah Jenis Kebangsaan 9,969 .. .

9,427 .

.. 7,111 .

.. .

4,393 .. .. 15,906 .


4,203 .. .

1,023 .

.. 2,165 .. 544 .

5,985 .. 12,351 .

.. 20,524 .

Jumlah .. .


34,765 .. 93,586 (2) Bilangan murid2 yang mendapat berbagai2 Grade dan peratus kelulusan dalam sek Jenis Kebangsaan: olah2 Grade 1 34 35 63 45 79 12 11 94 1 70 53 119 SEKOLAH KEBANGSAAN Grade Grade 3 2 194 160 578 360 534 360 508 297 1,231 679 335 141 325 161 567 411 173 91 944 544 463 320 1,345 780 Ta' lulus 370 1,793 927 1,327 4,332 1,332 1,266 1,776 737 2,956 1,199 4,631 Kuala Lumpur Seiangor N. Sembilan Melaka Johor .. Pahang Trengganu Kelantan Perlis .. Kedah .
Pulau Pinang Perak .. Total .

616 4,304 7,197 22,646 SE Grade 1 .. Kuala Lumpur 1,606 836 Seiangor 756 N. Sembilan 685 Melaka .

1,807 Johor 368 Pahang 162 Trengganu 223 Kelantan 87 Perlis .. 804 Kedah.. .

1,670 Pulau Pinang .


1,713 Perak .. KOLAH J Grade 2 1,839 1,421 1,235 1,054 3,169 610 322 459 127 1,263 1,990 3,520 ENIS KEBANGSAAN Grade 3 1,090 1,028 893 710 2,079 467 177 375 83 918 1,215 2,533 Ta' lulus 5,434 6,142 4,227 1,944 8,851 2,758 362 1,108 247 3,000 7,476 12,758 4022 ini— % Ke lulusan 51.02 64.8 50.85 39.0 31.4 26.8 28.10 37.6 26.4 34.5 41.08 32.6 % Ke lulusan 35.4 34.9 45.4 55.7 44.3 34.3 64.5 48.8 54.6 49.8 38.6 36.4 Total .

10,717 17,009 11,568 54,307 54.


Enche' Mohamed bin Ujang ber tanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran: (a) Berapa-kah bilangan murid2 yang telah memasoki peperek saan dalam tahun 1962 untok memasoki Sekolah2 Menengah dan berapa-kah bilangan-nya yang telah lulus daripada— (1) Sekolah2 Kebangsaan.

(2) Sekolah2 saan.

Jenis Kebang (b) Daripada murid2 yang telah gagal hendak memasoki Sekolah2 Menengah itu berapa ramai-kah yang telah masok belajar di- Sekolah2 Lanjutan.
Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: (1) Bilangan murid2 yang telah masok pepereksaan untok masok ka-Sekolah2 Menengah dan bilangan murid2 yang telah ber- jaya ada-lah saperti berikut ini: Bil.

yang Bil.

yang masok per.


naik darjah (a) Sekolah Rendah Kebangsaan ... 34,765 12,117 (b) Sekolah Rendah Jenis Kebangsaan 93,606 39,296 4023 11 MARCH 1963 4024 (2) Daripada jumlah murid2 yang tidak berjaya masok ka-Sekolah2 Menengah, 15,213 orang telah mendaftarkan nama dan sudah pun di-terima masok ka-Sekolah Menengah Lanjutan pada tahun ini.

to state Underaged Failures Retained 55.


Enche' Chin See Yin: To ask the Minister of Education the number of underaged pupils who failed in the Secondary School Entrance Examination in 1962 in the Federation of Malaya the National Type Primary Schools (a) English Medium (b) Chinese Medium and how and many of them were allowed to remain in such schools for another year, if not, to give reasons.
in is term "underaged" Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: to The mean underaged for Standards 6 in 1962, i.e., born in 1951 or later.

The number of such pupils who failed the Malayan Secondary Schools Entrance Examination in 1962, is as follows: taken (a) English medium ... (b) Chinese medium ... 244 655 to in such schools for another these pupils were allowed All remain year.

to state Overaged Pupils Admitted to Secondary Schools 56.
Enche' Chin See Yin: To ask the Minister of Education the number of overaged pupils who passed in the Secondary School Entrance Examination in 1962 in the Federation the National Type of Malaya Primary Schools (a) English Medium (b) Chinese Medium and how and many of to be them were allowed admitted to the Secondary Schools, if not, to give reasons.
in Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: The number of overaged pupils who passed the Malayan Secondary Schools Entrance Examination in 1962 are as follows: (a) English medium (b) Chinese medium ... 9,422 ... 5,617 All these pupils were allowed to be admitted to secondary academic schools in 1963.

Failures Admitted to Secondary Continuation Schools 57.
Enche' Chin See Yin: To ask the the Minister of Education number of pupils who failed in the Secondary School Entrance Examina the Federation ot tion Malaya and were admitted the Secondary Continuation Schools other wise known as the Post Primary Schools in the following: in 1962 to state in to (a) Malay Medium; (b) English Medium; (c) Chinese Medium; (d) Tamil Medium.

schools, Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: There are only two types of assisted secondary continuation i.e., Malay Medium and English Medium.
The number of pupils who failed the Schools 1962 Malayan Secondary Entrance and were admitted into Secondary Continuation Schools are as follows: (a) Malay Medium (b) English Medium 6,400 8,813 Examination ... ... to state Number of Pupils from National Type Primary Schools (Chinese Medium) Admitted to Remove Classes 58.
Enche' Chin See Yin: To ask the Minister of Education the number of pupils who passed in the Secondary School Entrance Examina tion the National Type Primary Schools—Chinese Medium in the Federation of Malaya and how many were admitted to the Remove Classes in the following: (a) Malay Medium; (b) English Medium.
in 1962 in Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: The number of pupils who passed the Malayan Secondary Schools Entrance Examination in 1962 from the National (Chinese Type medium) and were admitted the to Remove Classes were as follows: (a) Malay medium Remove Primary Schools Nil Classes (b) English medium Re- 10,526 move Classes 4025 11 MARCH 1963 4026 to state Pupils from Secondary Continuation Schools Transferred to Academic Secondary Schools 59.
Enche' Chin See Yin: To ask the Minister of Education the number of pupils in (a) the Secondary Continuation Schools—Malay Medium and (b) the Secondary Continuation Schools—English Medium in the Fede ration of Malaya in 1962, and how many have been promoted from either of such schools for academic studies in 1962, and if less than 25 per cent from either of such schools, to give reasons.
Tuan llaji Abdul Hamid Khan: The number of pupils transferred from Secondary Continuation Schools to the Academic Secondary Schools at the end of 1962 is as follows: (a) Malay Medium Secondary 244 Continuation Schools (b) English Medium Second- 211 to ary Continuation Schools In the Federation of Malaya the pro portion of children going from the the Academic Primary Schools Secondary Schools is comparatively high—roughly 30 per cent.
Such a high percentage already caters for a large number of late developers.

In addition to these, there can be very few excep tional cases of additional late developers and, therefore, the pupils being trans ferred from the Secondary' Continuation Schools to the Academic Schools can never be, at any time, but a very small percentage.

60.

Enche' V. Veerappen: To ask the Minister of Education to state: (a) the number of pupils who sat for the Standard Six (MS.S.E.)
Examination 1961 and 1962 respectively; (b) the number who failed to gain entrance to secondary schools in 1961 and 1962 respectively; (c) the number who entered Se condary Continuation Schools in 1962 and 1963; (d) the number of pupils who were transferred from Secondary Con tinuation Schools to the Normal Secondary academic or other schools as late developers.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: (a) The numbers of pupils who sat the M.S.S.E.E.
are as follows: 1961 1962 ... ... 127,126 128,365 are failed (b) The numbers who to obtain promotion to Secondary Academic as Schools follows: 1961 1962 ... ... (c) The numbers who entered Se condary Continuation Schools are as follows: 79,745 76,952 1962 1963 22,441 15,213 (d) The number of pupils who were Secondary transferred Continuation Schools the Academic Secondary Schools at the beginning of this year is 455. from to LOWER CERTIFICATE OF EDUCATION EXAMINATION Number of Entrants 61.
Enche' Chin See Yin: To ask the Minister of Education the number of pupils who sat for the Lower Certificate Examination in 1962 in the Federation of Malaya in the following: Secondary (a) National to state Type Schools—Malay Medium; (b) National Type Secondary Schools (which were originally English Schools)—English Medium; (c) National Type Secondary Schools (which were originally Chinese Schools)—English Secondary Medium.
Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: The entry to the Lower Certificate of Education in 1962 is as follows: Secondary (Malay Me (a) National Schools dium) (b) National Type Se condary Schools (Origi nally English Schools) Se condary Schools (Con ... forming Schools) Type (c) National 2,934 21,320 3,286 4027 11 MARCH 1963 4028 Number of Passes and Failures 62.
Enche' Chin See Yin: To ask the the Minister of Education number of pupils who (a) passed and (b) failed the Lower Certificate Examination in 1962 in the Federation of Malaya in the following.

to state in English Schools)—English Me dium ; (c) National Secondary Type Schools (which were originally Chinese Secondary Schools)— English Medium.
(a) National Type Secondary Schools—Malay Medium; (b) National Secondary Type Schools (which were originally Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: The results in the Lower Certificate of Education Examination 1962 are as follows: Examination National Schools L.C.E.

(Formerly English) L.C.E.

(Conforming Schools) ...
Promotion Limited Certificate Promotion (2) — 1,387 498 (1) 832 10,262 407 to state Underaged Pupils Retained in Class 63 Enche' Chin See Yin: To ask the Minister of Education the number of underaged pupils who failed in the Lower Certificate Examination in 1962 in the Federation of Malaya in the (a) National Type Secondary Schools—English Medium (which were originally and (b) National Type Secondary Schools— English Medium (which were originally Chinese Secondary Schools) and how them from either of such many of schools were allowed to remain for another year, if not, to give reasons.
Schools), English in the L.C.E.

Examination Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: The number of underaged pupils who failed in 1962 and the number of such pupils retained for another year is as follows: Secondary Type Schools (originally English Me dium Schools)— No.

Failed 3,059 No.

Retained 1,243 (a) National ...

Secondary Type Schools (Conforming Schools)— No.

Failed 142 No.

Retained 101 ... Retentions are permitted only if there are vacancies in existing classes.
Addi tional classes to absorb other pupils eligible for retention are considered on the merit of each case and the avail ability of classroom and funds.

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National Overaged Pupils Promoted to Form IV 64.
Enche' Chin See Yin: To ask the the Minister of Education to state hailed Absent and Withdrawn lotal 51 214 174 (3) 1,087 3,439 275 X 2,934 964 21,320 6,018 3,286 1,932 number of overaged pupils who passed in the Lower Certificate Examination in 1962 in the Federation of Malaya in the (a) National Type Secondary Schools—English Medium (which were and originally (b) National Type Secondary Schools— English Medium (which were originally Chinese Secondary Schools) and how many of them from either of such schools were allowed to be admitted to the Secondary Schools for further studies, if not, to give reasons.
Schools), English Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: The number of overaged pupils who passed the Lower Certificate of Educa tion Examination in 1962 and who are promoted to Form IV in the respective schools are as follows: No.

with No.

promoted L.C.E.

promotion 1,465 to Form IV ... 1,465 441 ... 441 (a) National Type Secondary Schools (originally English medium) (fr) National Type Secondary Schools (conforming schools) Attainment of a "Grade" in National Language 65.
Enche' Chin See Yin: To ask the Minister of Education to state whether it is true that without being able to the National make language, a pupil who had done well in other subjects was automatically the Secondary made a "failure" School Entrance Examination and Lower Certificate Examination in 1962 the "grade" in in 4029 11 MARCH 1963 4030 in the Federation of Malaya, if so, to state the number of pupils affected in the following: (a) National Type Primary Schools— English Medium; (b) National Type Primary Schools— Chinese Medium; (c) National Type Primary Schools— Tamil Medium; (d) National Type Secondary Schools (which were originally English Schools)—English Medium; (e) National Type Secondary Schools (which were originally Chinese Secondary Schools)—English Medium.
requirement for a pass Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: It is true that an attainment of a grade in the National Language has, with effect from 1962, been made a com in pulsory these examinations.

This is in keeping with this the policy approved by Legislature at the time it accepted the Report of the Education Committee 1956 and should, in fact, have been enforced three years ago (1959).

The pupils affected by this requirement are as follows: M.S.S.E.E.
1962— (a) National Type Primary Schools 495 (English Medium) (b) National Type Primary Schools 10,413 (Chinese Medium) (c) National Type Primary Schools (Tamil Medium) 619 Type 258 322 Secondary (Originally English L.C.E.

1962— (a) National Schools) Schools) Promotion Award Certificate Award Type Schools (Conforming Schools) Promotion Award Certificate Award (b) National Secondary 46 99 It must be pointed out that not all the above M.S.S.E.E.
candidates would have been promoted even if they had the National obtained a pass Language because promotion depends also on the overall performance of the candidates in the examination in the light of the 30 per cent secondary school promotion policy.

in Conversion of Chinese Secondary School to Fully Assisted National-Type Secondary School 66.
Enche' Chin See Yin: To ask the Minister of Education to state is it true that when a Chinese Secondary School accepts in full Government aid, then, it becomes a National Type Secondary School—English Medium, which will in fact no longer remain a National Type School—Chinese Medium, if so, to state how many have not accepted such aid in the country.
Secondary Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: At the secondary level of education, the Government assists two types of schools only and they use either of the official languages as medium of instruc tion for all subjects except the language subjects namely : Natipnal Secondary Schools—Malay Medium.

National Type Secondary Schools — English Medium.

A Chinese Secondary school on accept ing full financial assistance has the choice of converting to either one of the above.
The number of such schools which has not conformed is 12.

Admission of Senior Middle III Students to the University of the Federation of Malaya 67.

Enche' Chin See Yin: To ask the Minister of Education to state whether a student with a qualification of Senior Independent Middle Chinese Secondary School the in Federation of Malaya is eligible for admission to the Faculty of Chinese Study in the University of Malaya of the Federation of Malaya, if not, to state reasons.
from III an Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: The answer is in the negative.

The basic requirement for admission to the University of Malaya is the Higher School Certificate or its equivalent.

Teachers Participating in Politics 68.

Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Education to state what steps the Government has to prevent teachers whether in Govern ment or aided or private schools from actively participating in politics.
taken 4031 11 MARCH 1963 4032 Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Teachers who are Government servants are governed by General Orders which prohibit them from taking active part in politics.
As far as other teachers in assisted schools are concerned, although there is no actual ban on such teachers taking part in political activities, there are already regulations by which pay ment of grant-in-aid in respect of such a teacher who, by active participation in political activities including holding of political office, is prevented from performing his duties as a teacher efficiently and in full, may be stopped.
There is no restriction on political activities of teachers in private schools provided that such activities are con fined to outside of the school.

Trade Schools 69.

Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Education to state what steps has Government taken to provide more trade schools for over- aged students or students who failed for their Qualifying Examinations admission to secondary schools.
Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Education in Trade Schools exist only in the Secondary Trade Schools which caters for pupils who have completed nine years of education.

There are at present two Secondary Trade Schools in is hoped, subject to the availability of funds, to increase this number to five by the end of 1965. the Federation and it in fail Pupils who the Malayan Secondary Schools Entrance Examina in tion are provided with education Secondary Continuation Schools which have a vocational bias.
A limited num ber of places may be available to such pupils in Sekolah Lanjutan Kampong as well after all applicants with Grades 1 to 3 and above have been considered.

The provision of Secondary Conti nuation Schools will depend on the demand and the availability of funds.

There are eight Sekolah2 Lanjutan Kampong at present and by the end of this year, this number will be increased to 14.

Additional schools of this type will be built in future years subject to the availability of funds.
Financial Aid to the University of Malaya 70.

Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Education to state how the much annual University of Malaya received from the Government for the past five years.
financial aid has Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: The sums paid over to the University of Malaya by the Federation Govern ment for the past five years are as follows : Year Capital Grant Total Annual Ordinary Grant 1958 1959 1960 1961 1962 .. $5,171,115.00 $3,265,954.20 $ 8,437,069.20 10,715,323.32 .. 6,251,894.09 .. 13,794,592.80 .. 10,754,028.00 .. $49,952,907.41 4,400,000.00 — 6,500,000.00 5,000,000.00 6,315,323.32 6,251,894.09 7,294,592.80 5,754,028.00 Teachers in the Federation 71.
Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Education to state what is the total number of teachers in the the Government Federation schools; and (c) private schools.

(a) aided schools; in (b) Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: There are now only 2 types of schools: (i) Assisted Schools; (ii) Private Schools.

The number of teachers in the Federa tion as at 30-94962 in the respective schools are: (i) Assisted Schools—46,777; (ii) Private Schools—3,142.

Teachers in Schools in Perak 72.


Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Education to state the number of teachers in (a) Government schools; and aided (c) private schools, in Perak.

schools; (b) Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: The number of teachers in the State of Perak as at 30-9-1962 are as follows: (i) Assisted Schools—8,812; (ii) Private Schools-710.

Teaching Staff of the Anglo-Chinese School, Kampar 73.
Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Education to state the 4033 11 MARCH 1963 4034 number of teachers who are on the staff of the Anglo-Chinese School in Kampar who are paid by (a) the Government; (b) the Mission; and (c) other interested parties.

Melayu, Kuala Lumpur bagi meno- long guru2 ini mendapat kelayakan grade naik pangkat ia-itu Grade II (p) dalam Khidmatan Guru yang telah di- satukan.
and Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: The number of teachers on the staff of the Anglo-Chinese School, both pri mary at present are the following: (a) Those paid by secondary, Kampar, the Govern ment—84.

(Of these one is a teacher of Muslim Religion paid by the Religious Affairs Depart- ment, Perak).

(b) Number of teachers paid by the Mission—Nil.

(c) Number of teachers paid by other interested parties—Nil.

Schools in the Federation 74.


Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Education to give a list of all Primary and Secondary Schools in (1) English; (2) Malay; (3) Chinese; (4) Tamil medium, in the Federation.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: A list of schools in the Federation has been placed in the Library of Parlia ment as the information required is too voluminous to be printed for tabling in reply.

bertanya Admission of Teachers from Day Training Colleges to the Language Institute 75.
Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji Arshad kapada Menteri ada-kah guru2 kelulusan Pelajaran Pusat Latehan Harian pada masa ini di-benarkan masok ujian pilehan masok belajar ka-Maktab Bahasa, jika boleh harap di-terangkan apa sharat2 kela- yakan-nya, jika tidak harap terangkan apa-kah sebab-nya.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Guru2 Maktab Latehan Harian ada-lah di-lateh untok jadi guru serba jenis pelajaran dalam sekolah2 rendah.
Sa- telah 5 tahun mengajar lepas mendapat kelulusan guru, guru2 ini boleh-lah di-pileh berlateh lagi sa-bagai Pakar2 Bahasa dalam darjah2 rendah yang atas, sama ada di-Maktab Perguruan Bahasa atau di-Maktab Guru2 Tanah bertanya 76.
Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji Arshad kapada Menteri Pelajaran betul-kah ia-itu pada masa ini guru dari Pusat Latehan Harian tidak di-benarkan masok Maktab Bahasa oleh kerana mereka maseh ter- ikat dengan sharat2 konterek perkhid- jika matan mereka pada masa betul, ada-kah Kerajaan boleh menim- bangkan sa-mula supaya mengkaji sharat2 yang terkandong dalam kon terek mereka itu supaya mereka boleh di-berikan kemudahan untok masok Maktab Bahasa pada masa ini juga.
ini; Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: bertanya Tidak bagitu.

77.

Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji Arshad kapada Menteri Pelajaran ada-kah Kerajaan telah me- nerima surat rayuan Persatuan Guru2 Lepasan Pusat /Maktab Latehan Per guruan Trengganu berkenaan dengan hal hendak masok Maktab Perguruan Bahasa; surat rayuan itu telah di-beri jawab yang memuaskan, jika belum di-jawab, me- ngapa belum di-jawab.

jika sudah, ada-kah Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Surat itu telah di-terima dan telah pun di-jawab dengan penoh.
to state implementing Free Text-books 78.

Enche' V. Veerappen: To ask the the Minister of Education the for not reasons recommendation contained in para graph 165 of the Razak Report on Education 1956, which reads as follows: "We agree that at this stage text books cannot be supplied free to all pupils but we that allowances should be made available to help the pupils whose parents are too poor to buy books.
These would not be in the form of direct grants to pupils but might be in the form of fixed grants the purchase of books which could be lent those pupils who cannot afford to buy their own."

recommend schools for to to 4035 11 MARCH 1963 4036 Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: It is not possible to implement this recommendation due to lack of funds especially with the introduction of free primary education with effect from 1962.

Aminuddin Baki Report 79.


Enche' Mohamed bin Ujang bertanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran ia- itu, sa-hingga sekarang ini, sa-takat mana-kah chadangan2 yang telah di- kemukakan oleh Jawatan-Kuasa Ami nuddin bin Baki yang telah menyiasat kelemahan murid2 Melayu sebab2 di-Sekolah2 Kebangsaan di- laksanakan dan ada-kah Kementerian Pelajaran berpuas hati di-atas kema- juan2 yang telah di-dapat.
telah Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Di-antara shor2 yang besar-nya dalam Penyata Aminuddin Baki yang telah di-jalankan ada-lah: (1) Mengadakan kursus2 mengulang kaji (refresher courses) bagi guru2 dan guru2 besar Sekolah2 Kebang tahun 1962, 900 saan.

Dalam orang guru2 dan guru2 besar telah menjalani kursus yang berlangsong sa-lama enam minggu.

Dalam tahun ini, kursus sa-rupa itu akan di-adakan untok 800 orang guru2 lagi.
(2) Dua-pertiga daripada guru2 dari pusat2 latehan guru untok Sekolah2 rendah ada-lah di-hantar mengajar di-Sekolah2 Kebangsaan.

(3) Ranchangan2 untok mendirikan Sekolah2 Kebangsaan yang leng- kap dengan segala kemudahan2 ada-lah sedang di-perchepatkan.

(4) Memberi cheramah2 khas kapada ahli2 Lembaga Pengurus Sekolah2 Kebangsaan berkenaan dengan ke- wajipan2 mereka dan apa yang di-kehendaki daripada mereka sa- bagai ahli Lembaga itu.
(5) Usaha2 sedang di-jalankan oleh nazir2 bebas untok mengeluarkan risalah2 dan buku2 kechil ber kenaan pentadbiran sekolah, kaedah2 mengajar dan lain2.

dengan (6) "Gerakan Obor", suatu kempen yang sedang di-jalankan sekarang, dan bertujuan untok menunjokkan faedah2 ibu-bapa2 akan kapada pelajaran dengan bahasa peng- hantar-nya bahasa Melayu, dan mengingatkan ibu-bapa2 (terutama ibu-bapa2 Melayu) akan sa-kali kewajipan2 mereka terhadap anak2 mereka di-sekolah.
(7) Mendirikan bangunan yang ber- asingan untok Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan.

(8) Langkah yang di-ambil bersama2 dengan Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka untok menyempurnakan penge- luaran buku2 bachaan perchuma berkenaan dengan pelajaran2 asas Sekolah2 Kebangsaan.

kapada Ada-lah di-harap buku2 ini akan siap dan dapat di-keluarkan sa- lewat2-nya pada awal tahun 1964.

(9) Mengadakan Pusat2 untok Alat2 Kelengkapan Bantuan Mengajar (Audio-Visual Aids Tempatan Regional Centres) untok faedah Sekolah2 Kebangsaan.
khas latehan (10) Memberi dalam menggunakan alat2 kelengkapan Bantuan Mengajar di-pusat2 ini melalui' Alat2 Bantuan Mengajar dan mengadakan kursus2 dalam kerja (In-Service Courses) kapada guru2 Sekolah Kebangsaan.

(11) Suatu Jawatan-Kuasa telah di-ada kan untok mengkaji kaedah2 me ngajar dan membacha Rumi dan Jawatan-Kuasa ini semenjak di- tubohkan telah membuat beberapa shor2.

Ranchangan perchubaan untok menentukan sama ada se- suai atau ini sedang di-laksanakan.
tidak-nya kaedah (12) Kemajuan Kelas2 Menengah yang bahasa bahasa penghantar-nya Melayu di-perhatikan baik2.

Pe- lateh2 yang di-khaskan mengajar di-Kelas2 ini telah di-ambil mula2 sa-kali pada awal tahun 1962.

Kementerian ini ada-lah berpuas hati dengan kemajuan2 yang telah terchapai sa-takat ini.

Building Programme of Schools 80.


Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Education to state the number of Primary and Secondary Schools which the Government intends 4037 11 MARCH 1963 4038 to provide in (1) English; (2) Malay; (3) Chinese; (4) Tamil medium for the next three years.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: It is not possible to give the number of such schools to be built during the next three years.
Wherever possible pupils are accommodated in existing schools where necessary, with the provision of additional new classrooms wherever sites are available.

The number of schools to be built each year will depend on the development funds allocated.

81.

Enche' Chan Yoon Onn: To ask the Minister of Education to state what for an representations he immediate school building programme during 1961, 1962 and in the current year.
received the increase in Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: It is not possible to state the exact number of representations received by my Ministry, for an increase in the school building programme during 1961, 1962 and this year.

All represen tations received were of course given due consideration, in order of priority, in the implementation of this Ministry's school building programme.

Education Rates 82.
Education Rates 82.

Enche9 Mohamed bin Ujang bertanya kapada Menteri Kewangan: (a) berapa banyak-nya wang, mengi- Vut Negeri2, yang telah di- kumpulkan dengan jalan chukai pelajaran yang sekarang telah di-ambil aleh oleh Kerajaan Pusat; (b) ada-kah Kerajaan Pusat ber- maksud hendak mengembalikan wang chukai pelajaran yang telah di-ambil aleh-nya itu dan jika ada bila dan bagimana chara-nya dan jika tidak, meng- apa.
Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: (a) Chukai Pelajaran yang di-kutip oleh Negeri2 semenjak Undang2 tahun 1961 di-kuat Pelajaran kuasakan, dan sekarang dalam simpanan Kementerian Pela jaran atau Jurukira Negara ada- lah saperti berikut: ... Pulau Pinang ... $ Selangor Melaka Perak Pahang Kedah Trengganu 16.81 294,642.18 70,501.77 138.28 7,547.28 41,817.96 32,131.85 ... Jumlah ... $446,796.13 Tetapi bayaran tersebut di-atas belum di-masokkan ka-dalam kira2 Hasil Kerajaan Per- sekutuan.
Chukai2 ini di- menanti sementara simpan dapat nasihat dari Pegawai Undang2 sama ada boleh di- ini ka-dalam masokkan wang kira2 Hasil Kerajaan Per- boleh.

atau sekutuan Jumlah wang yang di-sebutkan chukai itu Pelajaran di- bawah Undang2 Pelajaran tahun 1957, bagi tahun 1958 hingga 1961 yang dahulu-nya di-bayar kapada Pehak Berkuasa Pela jaran Tempatan.
yang di-kutip termasok tidak tidak (b) Tindakan yang akan di-ambil ini akan ber- dalam perkara gantong kapada nasihat dari Pegawai Undang2 di- sebutkan dalam jawapan kapada pertanyaan yang lepas.

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