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47 Monday 21st March, 1966 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) OFFICIAL REPORT SECOND SESSION OF THE SECOND PARLIAMENT OF MALAYSIA CONTENTS A D M I N I S T R A T I ON OF O A TH [Col. 6645] H e ad 134 [Col. 6738] A N N O U N C E M E N TS BY Mr S P E A K E R— Head 134 [Col. 6738] Heads 139, 144 and 172 [Col. 6739] Welcoming New Member [Col. 6645] Message from the Senate to the House of Representatives [Col. 6646] Assent to Bills passed [Col. 6648] D e a th of the Honourable E n c h e' Abdul Rauf The bin A. R a h m a n, K .
M .

N ., P .

J .

K. [Col. 6649] Introduction of the Constitution (Amendment) the Honourable Dr Lim Chong Eu Bill bv [Col. 6650] O R AL A N S W E RS TO Q U E S T I O NS [Col. 6650] BILLS P R E S E N T ED [Col. 6666] M O T I O NS The Development (Supplementary) ( N o.

3) Estimates, 1965 [Col. 6670] Committee J i^i t.nx'yi »w J *n* Heads 106 and 121 [Col. 6732] H e ad 115 [Col. 6735] H e ad 126 [Co!.
6737] i^ t The Customs Ordinance, 1952 (The Customs Duties (Amendment) Order, 1966> [Col. 6745] Customs Duties tCoI.

6746] The Excise Act, ( N o.
2) Order, 1966) (The Excise Duties (Amendment) Ordinance, 1961 1952 Order, 1965) [Col. 6750] The I n c o me Tax Ordinance, 1947—Amendment (The Social and Welfare to First Schedule Services Lotteries Board) [Col. 6757] A D J O U R N M E NT S P E E C H E S- (Essential Power) Act, (Suspension The Emergency (Emergency ment Election) 1965) [Col. 6760] m i s u se Publications t i o n) Regulations [Col. 6767] of E s M I | t i al and Safeguarding of (Amendment) p ^ .^ ^ ( C o n t r o, 1964 of Local Govern Regulations, of Informa- W R I T T EN A N S W E RS TO Q U E S T I O NS [Col. 6771] DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH ZAKUAN BIN MOHD.
ARIFF, PENGUASA ALOR SETAR 1967 Harga: $1 MALAYSIA DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) Official Report Second Session of the Second Dewan Ra'ayat Monday, 21st March, 1966 The House met at Ten o'clock a.m.

PRESENT: The Honourable Mr Speaker, DATO' CmK MOHAMED YusuF BIN SHEIKH ABDUL RAHMAN, s.P.M.P., J.P., Dato' Bendahara, Perak the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence, and Minister of National and Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N.

(Pekan).
(Pekan).

the Minister of Home Affairs and Minister of Justice, DATO' DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N.

(Johor Timor).

the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' TAN Srnw SIN, J.P. (Melaka Tengah).

the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, DATO' v. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N.

(Sungai S!put).

the Minister of Transport, DATO' HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N.

(Pontian Utara).

the Minister of Education, ENCHE' MOHAMED KHIR JoHARI (Kedah Tengah).
the Minister of Health, ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah).

the Minister for Welfare Services, TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT ALI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang).

the Minister for Local Government and Housing, ENCHE' KOH KAI-BOH, p,J.K.

(Ulu Selangor).

the Minister for Sarawak Affairs, DATO' TEMENGGONG JUGAH ANAK BARIENG, P.M.N., P.D.K.

(Sarawak).

the Minister of Labour, ENCHE' v. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K.

(Klang).
(Klang).

the Minister of Information and Broadcasting, ENCHE' SENU BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Kubang Pasu Barat).

the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, TUAN HAJI MOHAMED GHAZALI BIN HAJI JAWI (Ulu Perak).

the Minister of Lands and Mines, ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN y A'KUB (Sarawak).

the Assistant Minister of National and Rural Development, ENCHE' SULAIMAN BIN BULON (Bagan.

Datoh}.
Datoh}.

6639 21 MARCH 1966 6640 The Honourable the Assistant Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, DATO' ENGKU MuHSEIN BIN ABDUL KADIR, P.M.N., s.M.T., P.J.K.

(Trengganu Tengah).

the Assistant Minister of Education, ENCHE' LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Sepang).

the Assistant Minister of Finance, DR NG KAM PoH, J.P. (Teluk Anson).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health, ENCHE' IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah).
the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Labour, ENCHE' LEE SAN CHOON, K.M.N.

(Segamat Selatan).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' Au BIN HAJI AHMAD (Pontian Selatan).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Deputy Prime Minister, ENCHE' CHEN WING SUM (Damansara).

ENCHE' ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N.

(Melaka Utara).

ENCHE' ABDUL KARIM BIN ABu, A.M.N.

(Melaka Selatan).

WAN ABDUL KADIR BIN ISMAIL, P.P.T.

(Kuala Trengganu Utara).


w AN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN DATU TUANKU BUJANG (Sarawak).

TUAN HAJI ABDUL RASHID BIN HAJI JAIS (Sabah).

ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN GUL AHMAD MIANJI (Pasir Mas Hulu).

DATO' ABDULLAH BIN ABDULRAHMAN, Dato' Bijaya di-Raja (Kuala Trengganu Selatan).

Y.A.M.

TUNKU ABDULLAH IBNI AL-MARHOM TUANKU ABDUL RAHMAN, P.P.T., (Rawang).

TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD.

SALLEH, A.M.N., s.M.J., P.1.s.

(Segamat Utara).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kelantan Hilir).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N.


(Muar Utara).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAAID, J.P. (Seberang Utara).

CHE' AJIBAH BINTI ABOL (Sarawak).

ENCHE' AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam).

ENCHE' JONATHAN BANGAU ANAK RENANG, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

PENGARAH BANYANG ANAK JANTING, P.B.S.

(Sarawak).

ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N.

(Kluang Selatan).

ENCHE' CHAN SEONG YooN (Setapak).

ENCHE' CHAN SIANG SUN (Bentong).

ENCHE' CHIA CHIN SHIN, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

ENCHE' FRANCIS CHIA NYUK TONG (Sabah).

ENCHE' CHIN FooN (Ulu Kinta).

.


ENCHE' c. v. DEVAN NAIR (Bungsar).

ENCHE' D. A. DAGO ANAK RANDAN alias DAGOK ANAK RANDAN (Sarawak).

ENCHE' EDWIN ANAK T ANGKUN (Sarawak).

TUAN SYED EsA BIN ALwEE, J.M.~T., s.M.J., P.1.s.

(Batu Pahat Dalam).

6641 21 MARCH 1966 6642 The Honourable DATIN HAJJAH FATIMAH BINTI HAJI ABDUL MAJID (Johor Bahru Timor).

DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N.

(Jitra—Padang Terap).

ENCHE' S. FAZUL RAHMAN, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

DATO' GANIE GILONG, P.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).


ENCHE' GANING BIN JANGKAT (Sabah).

ENCHE' GEH CHONG KEAT, K.M.N.

(Penang Utara).

ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD.

YUNUS, A.M.N., J.P. (Kulim Utara).

ENCHE' HANAFIAH BIN HUSSAIN, J.M.N.

(Jerai).

ENCHE' HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Baling).

WAN HASSAN BIN WAN DAUD (Tumpat).

ENCHE' STANLEY HO NGUN KHIU, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN T O' MUDA HASSAN, A.M.N.

(Raub).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN MOHD.

NOORDIN, D.P.M.P., A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Parit).


ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN SULAIMAN (Ulu Kelantan).

TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN (Kota Bharu Hulu).

ENCHE' IKHWAN ZAINI (Sarawak).

ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan).

DATO' SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, P.M.N.

(Johor Tenggara).

PENGHULU JINGGUT ANAK ATTAN, Q.M.C., A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

ENCHE' KAM WOON WAH, J.P. (Sitiawan).

ENCHE' THOMAS KANA (Sarawak).

ENCHE' KHOO PENG LOONG (Sarawak).

ENCHE' EDMUND LANGGU ANAK SAGA (Sarawak).


ENCHE' AMADEUS MATHEW LEONG, A.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).

DATO' LING BENG SIEW, P.N.B.S.

(Sarawak).

DR LIM CHONG EU (Tanjong).

ENCHE' L IM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat).

DR MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMAD (Kota Setar Selatan).

ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson).

ENCHE' C. JOHN MOJAKIL.

ENCHE' JOSEPH DAVID MANJAJI (Sabah).

DATO' DR HAJI MEGAT KHAS, D.P.M.P., J.P., P.J.K.

(Kuala Kangsar).

ENCHE' MOHD.

ARIF SALLEH, A.D.K.

(Sabah).


ORANG TUA MOHAMMAD DARA BIN LANGPAD (Sabah).

ENCHE' MOHD.

DAUD BIN ABDUL SAMAD (Besut).

ENCHE' MOHAMED IDRIS BIN MATSIL, J.M.N., PJ.K., J.P. (Jelebu—Jempol).

ENCHE' MOHD.

TAHIR BIN ABDUL MAJID, S.M.S., P.J.K.

(Kuala Langat).

WAN MOKHTAR BIN AHMAD (Kemaman).

TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan).

; 6643 21 MARCH 1966 6644 The Honourable ENCHE' MUHAMMAD FAKHRUDDIN BIN HAJI ABDULLAH (Pasir Mas Hilir).

TUAN HAJI MUHAMMAD SU'AUT BIN HAJI MUHD.


TAHIR, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

DATO' HAJI MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI ABDUL JABAR, D.P.M.S., A.M.N, J.P. (Sabak Bernam).

ENCHE' MUSTAPHA BIN AHMAD (Tanah Merah).

DATO' N IK AHMAD KAMIL, D.K., S.P.M.K., S.J.M.K., P.M.N., P.Y.G.P., Dato' Sri Setia Raja (Kota Bharu Hilir).

ENCHE' NG FAH YAM (Batu Gajah).

ENCHE' ONG KEE H UI (Sarawak).

TUAN HAJI OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Hilir Perak).

ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Perlis Utara).

ENCHE' QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Timor).


TUAN HAJI RAHMAT BIN HAJI DAUD, A.M.N.

(Johor Bahru Barat).

RAJA ROME BIN RAJA MA'AMOR, P.J.K., J.P. (Kuala Selangor).

ENCHE' SANDOM ANAK NYUAK (Sarawak).

ENCHE' SEAH TENG NGIAB, P.I.S.

(Muar Pantai).

ENCHE' D.R.

SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh).

ENCHE' SIM BOON LIANG (Sarawak).

ENCHE' SIOW LOONG H I N, P.J.K.

(Seremban Barat).

ENCHE' SNAWI BIN ISMAIL, P.J.K.

(Seberang Selatan).

ENCHE' SNG CHIN JOO (Sarawak).

ENCHE' SOH AH TECK (Batu Pahat).


ENCHE' SULEIMAN BIN A LI (Dungun).

ENCHE' SULEIMAN BIN HAJI TAIB (Krian Laut).

PENGIRAN TAHIR PETRA (Sabah).

ENCHE' TAJUDDIN BIN A L I, P.J.K.

(Larut Utara).

ENCHE' TAI KUAN YANG (Kulim Bandar Baharu).

ENCHE' TAMA WENG TINGGANG WAN (Sarawak).

DR TAN CHEE KHOON (Batu).

ENCHE' TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan).

ENCHE' TAN TOH HONG (Bukit Bintang).

ENCHE' TAN TSAK YU (Sarawak).

ENCHE' TIAH ENG BEE (Kluang Utara).

ENCHE' TOH THEAM HOCK (Kampar).


ENCHE' Y EH PAO TZE (Sabah).

ENCHE' YEOH TAT BENG (Bruas).

ENCHE' STEPHEN YONG KUET T ZE (Sarawak).

TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD.

TAIB, P.J.K.

(Langat).

ABSENT: The Honourable the Prime Minister, Minister of External Affairs and Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, Y.T.M.

TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M.

(Kuala Kedah).

6645 21 MARCH 1966 6646 The Honourable the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan).
the Assistant Minister without Portfolio, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Setar Utara).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB, P.J.K.

(Kuantan).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSSIN (Lipis).

ENCHE" ABU BAKAR BIN HAMZAH (Bachok).

O.K.K.

DATU ALIUDDIN BIN DATU HARUN, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

DR AWANG BIN HASSAN, S.M.J.

(Muar Selatan).

TUAN HAJI HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Kapar).

ENCHE' KADAM ANAK KIAI (Sarawak).

DATO' KHOO SIAK CHIEW, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' LEE SECK FUN (Tanjong Malim).


ENCHE' L IM PEE HUNG, P J .

K. (Alor Setar).

ENCHE' PETER LO SU Y IN (Sabah).

DATO' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA, P.M.K.

(Pasir Puteh).

ENCHE' MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N.

(Temerloh).

ENCHE' MOHD.

ZAHIR BIN HAJI ISMAIL, J.M.N.

(Sungai Petani).

ENCHE' RAMLI BIN OMAR (Krian Darat).

TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN MOHD.

SAID, P.J.K., J.P. (Rembau—Tampin).

DATO' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM, D.P.M.P., P.M.P., J.P. (Menglembu).

ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka).


PRAYERS (Mr Speaker in the Chair) ADMINISTRATION OF OATH The following Member took and subscribed the Oath required by Law: Enche' John Ondu Mojakil.
ANNOUNCEMENTS BY MR SPEAKER WELCOMING NEW MEMBER MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE TO THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTA TIVES Mr Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, saya hendak mema'alomkan ia-itu saya telah menerima satu perutusan yang bertarikh 22 haribulan Disember, 1965, daripada Yang di-Pertua, Dewan Negara, berkenaan dengan perkara2 yang tertentu yang telah di-hantar oleh Majlis ini, minta di-persetujukan oleh Dewan Negara.

Sekarang saya minta Setia Usaha Majlis supaya membacha- kan perutusan itu kapada Majlis ini.
(The Clerk reads the Message) "Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker: Honourable Members, I would like to take this opportunity of welcoming the new Member, the John Ondu Enche' Honourable Mojakil, to this House.

He was elected by the Legislative Assembly of the State of Sabah to take the place of Dato' Donald Aloysius Stephens who has resigned from this House with effect from 2nd November, 1965.
The Senate has agreed to the following Bills— (1) to amend the written laws relating to the remuneration of Ministers, Assistant Ministers and Parliamen tary Secretaries, (2) to amend the Turnover Tax Act, 1965, (3) to amend further the laws relating income tax of Sabah, Sarawak to and the States of Malaya, (4) to amend the Excise Act, 1961, 6647 21 MARCH 1966 6648 (5) to amend the Development Fund Ordinance, 1958, (6) to create common tariffs for Malay for matters to provide and sia incidental thereto, (7) to amend the Insurance Act, 1963, (8) to ratify and give legal sanction to the provisions of the Convention on the Settlement of Investment Dis putes, relating (9) to repeal the Laws of the States of Kedah, Negri Sembilan, Pahang, Perak, Perlis, Selangor and Treng- ganu the to suits against Ruling Houses of those States, (10) to establish a corporate body by the name of the Majlis Amanah Ra'ayat and connected for therewith, (11) to amend the Prevention of Crime purposes the Ordinance, 1959, (12) to consolidate the laws relating to the possession and production of travel documents by persons enter ing or leaving, or travelling within, the Federation and for matters connected to provide therewith, sum and such other sums as have been authorised to be issued for the service of that year, (25) to provide for the appointment of places of safety for the purposes of the Laws in force in different parts of the for the States of Malaya Protection of Women and Girls, the law to registration of societies, the Road Traffic Ordi relating (27) to amend (26) to amend and consolidate nance, 1958, (28) to amend in order the Merchant Shipping Ordinance, 1952, to give legal effect to an International Con vention for the Safety of Life at sea signed in London on 17th June, 1964, and to International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at sea, 1960 vessels enable Malaysian and fishing in exclusively employed from industry the to be exempted provisions of Part III of the Ordi nance, the to (29) to establish a body corporate to be
 called Productivity the National Council and to provide for matters connected therewith.
(13) to amend nance, 1959, the Immigration Ordi without amendment.

(14) to amend the Divorce Ordinance, 1952, of the States of Malaya, (Sgd.)
DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, President " (15) to amend the Penal Code, (16) to provide for the reconstitution of Institute of incidental the Rubber Research Malaya and thereto, (17) to amend the Pineapple for matters Ordinance, 1957, and Industry (Amendment) Act, 1964, Industry the Pineapple Industry Board (18) to establish the Malaysian Timber the Export purposes of regulating and improving the to provide for matters connected there with, timber export industry and for (19) to repeal certain to Mui Tsai, legislation relating (20) to amend the Employment Ordinance, 1955, (21) to amend the Co-operative Societies Ordinance, 1948, incorporate (22) to the National Land Consolidation and Rehabilitation the Authority responsibility rehabilitation and development of any areas within the States of Malaya, to be charged with the for (23) to apply sums out of the Consoli dated Fund for additional expendi ture for the service of the year 1965 and for to appropriate such sums certain purposes, (24) to apply a sum out of the Consoli the that dated Fund to year 1966 and the service of to appropriate ASSENT TO BILLS PASSED Mr Speaker: Honourable Members, I wish to inform the House that His Majesty the Yang Di-Pertuan Agong has assented the following Bills which were passed recently by both Houses of Parliament: to (1) Turnover Tax Bill, 1965.
(2) Income Tax Laws (Malaysia) (Amendment No.

2) Bill, 1965.

(Amendment) Bill, (3) Insurance 1965.

(4) Excise (Amendment) Bill, 1965.

(5) Supplementary Supply (1965) (No.

2) Bill, 1965.

(6) Supply (1966) Bill, 1965.

(7) Development Fund ment) Bill, 1965.

(Amend (8) Penal Code (Amendment) Bill, 1966.

(9) Divorce (Amendment) Bill, 1966.

(10) Women and Girls (Appointment of Places of Safety) Bill, 1966.

(11) Road Traffic (Amendment) Bill, 1966.


6649 21 MARCH 1966 6650 (12) Pineapple Industry (Amend ment) Bill, 1966.

(13) Prevention of Crime (Amend ment) Bill, 1966.

(14) Immigration (Amendment) Bill, 1966.

(15) Federal Statute Law Revision the Ruling (Suits Houses) Bill, 1966. against (16) Employment (Amendment) Bill, 1966.

(17)Mui Tsai (Repeal) Bill, 1966.

(18) Ministers, Assistant Ministers and Parliamentary Secretaries (Amendment) (Remuneration) Bill, 1966.
(19) Malayan Timber Export Indus try Board (Incorporation) Bill, 1966.

(20) Societies Bill, 1966.

(21) Convention on the Settlement Investment Disputes Bill, of 1966.

(22) Merchant Shipping ment) Bill, 1966.

(Amend (23) Rubber Research Institute of Malaya Bill, 1966.

(24) Co-operative Societies (Amend ment) Bill, 1966.

(25) National Productivity Council (Incorporation) Bill, 1966.

(26) Majlis Amanah Ra'ayat Bill, 1966.

(27) Passports Bill, 1966.


(28) National Land Rehabilitation and Consolidation Authority (Incorporation) Bill, 1966.

(29) Customs (Malaysian Common Tariffs) Bill, 1966.

DEATH OF THE HONOURABLE ENCHE' ABDUL RAUF BIN A. RAHMAN, K.M.N., PJ.K.
Mr Speaker: I regret to inform the House of the death of the Honourable Enche' Abdul Rauf bin A. Rahman, Member for Krian Laut, and I desire on behalf of the House to express our sense of the loss we have sustained and our sympathy with the relatives of the Honourable Member.
INTRODUCTION OF THE CON STITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL BY THE HONOURABLE DR LIM CHONG EU leave Mr Speaker: Honourable Members will recall that this House, at its pre vious sitting, granted to the Honourable Member for Tanjong to introduce a Bill to be called "Con stitution Amendment Bill" to amend Article 159 (3) of the Constitution of Malaysia.

I now have to inform the House that I have received from the Honourable the Prime Minister the report specified under Standing Order 49 (4) with regard to this Bill.
The report reads as follows: "Tuan Yang di-Pertua Dewan Ra'ayat, THE CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL Pursuant to Standing Order 49 (4) of the Standing Orders of the Dewan Ra'ayat, I have the honour to make the following report on the above Bill introduced by the Honourable Member for Tanjong.

I have considered the Bill, and I can find nothing objectionable in its phrasing in form.

As the Bill seeks to amend the Constitution, the provision of Article 159 of the Constitution will have to be complied with.
Saya dengan hormat-nya, TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, Perdana Menteri " ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS PRIME MINISTER'S VISIT TO SARAWAK—RETINUE 1.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu) asks the Prime Minister if he is aware that during his recent visit to Sarawak a number of UMNO officials, Members of Parliament and political leaders were in his retinue; if so, to state who paid for the travel expenses, including plane fares, etc., of these UMNO officials, Members of Parliament and political leaders; if these were paid from public funds, under what head of expenditure were these funds drawn.
The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan Siew Sin): Mr Speaker, Sir, state the those who accompanied that 6651 21 MARCH 1966 6652 Honourable Prime Minister were largely the Members of the Cabinet, Members of Parliament and officials.

There were only three Members, who could be considered to be unofficials, and the Prime Minister merely gave them a lift in the RMAF plane as there was excess capacity.
It would, therefore, be observed that the addition of the three Members from the UMNO did not involve the Government in any extra expense.

Other expenses of the unofficials were met by the Party.

With regard to the trip from Kuching to Sibu, some went in a Malaysian Airways plane while others went in a RMAF plane.

Malaysian Airways fares were paid by the Government in respect of Ministers, Members of Parliament, and officials.

Those incurred on behalf of Members of UMNO were paid by the Party.
The expenses in respect of the board ·and lodging of Ministers, Members of Parliament, and officials were borne by the Government, but the Party .

paid these expenses in res .pect of UMNO Members.

The expenses of Ministeri.

were paid from the res pective Heads of expenditure, while the expenses of the others, apart from UMNO Members, were paid from Head "Prime Minister".

There were also Koran Leaders the Prime Minister's party, whose expenses were paid by the Government from Head "Prime Minister".
in Dr Tan Chee Khooa: Mr Speaker, Sir, may I ask the Honourable Minister for Finance under what category, or .how can the expenses of Members of Parliament, accompanying the Honour able Prime Minister to Sarawak, be justified if their expenses are to be these paid from public funds.

Are Members of Parliament considered as Government Government mission?

servants going on a Eache' Tan Siew Sia: Mr Speaker, I am surprised that the Honourable Member should ask the question.

My reply is, "Why not?"


the question.

I have asked a very simple question.

For example, if I, as a Mem ber of Parliament, were to try and hitch-hike to Sarawak in this large re tinue that the newspapers reported, would it be justifiable on the taxpayers funds?

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I must say that I am surprised that the Honourable Member for Batu has such a low opinion of his colleagues.
One would think that it should be perfectly in order for Members of Par liament on either side of the House to accompany the ~me Minjster or any Members of the Government.

should it be considered desirable to do so.

After all, I hope, the Honourable Member for Batu will agree with me that Honourable Members of Parliament have a useful function to perform, even Members of the Opposition.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, may we know from the Honourable the Minister whether this mission to Sarawak was purely a Government mis sion, or was it for party politicking for the elections to come in Sarawak?

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: The Members of Parliament in question were accom panying the Prime Minister, and I think you can take it that they were included in the trip, because Government consi dered it to be in the public interest that they should be so included.
Dr Tan Chee Khooa: Mr Speaker, Sir, as the Minister for Finance, is the watch dog of public expenditure in this country, does he consider it a good principle that people not connected with the Government-and these UMNO officials are not connected with the Government-even if there is vacant space in any Government plane to hitch hike a plane to whatever destination it may be?

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I cannot see anything wrong with that.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon:, Mr Speaker, Sir.


the Honourable Minister is evading Eache' Stephen Yong Kuet Tze the Honourable (Sarawak): Would 6653 21 MARCH 1966 6654 Minister confirm the press report that this trip of the Prime Minister and his retinue to Sarawak was made without prior consultation with the State Government?

Alliance and, therefore, since my ques tion is a question of loyalty, loyalty to the Government must be loyalty to the Alliance.

Is that not a fact?

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Sir, I never .


Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, made any insinuation.

I stated the facts.

Sir, I am not responsible for press reports.

(Laughter)~ Enche' Lim Kean Siew (Dato Kramat): .

Mr Speaker, Sir, will the Honourable Minister assure this House that, in future Members ohhe Opposi tion will be informed of any empty space in RMAF aeroplanes, so that we can also hitch hike too?

(Laughter) (Pause-ho answer).
Mr Speaker, Sir, as I can see from the press report, it would appear that the Honourable Prime Minister went on Government business, in which even surely the impression given to the pub lic by only allowing Members of the Alliance to attend the Prime Minister in these functions is that the State is the Alliance the Government is the Alliance, the Alliance is the Govern ment and, the Alliance is loyalty to the State, and disloyalty to the Alliance would be disloyalty to the State and that surely would not the Honourable Minister agree is in fact a very bad impression to create?
therefor loyalty to Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, for the time being, at least, I think even the Honourable Members on the benches opposite must accept that the Government of the day is the Alliance.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: The Govern ment of the day may be the Alliance, but loyalty is different.

There is no loyalty to the Alliance Party.

the Government to Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I never made that implication in my reply.

(Laughter).

.
(Laughter).

.

: Enche',Llm Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, I take it that the Honourable Minister has not bothered to answer oilr questions and is, in fact, trying to insinuate ,th,at the Government is the .

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, in that case, will the Honourable Minister give us an assurance that we, Members on the other side ·of the House, would be able to occupy any vacant space available in R.M.A.F.?

Encbe' Tan Siew Sin: We will its merits.

consider each case on (Laughter).


Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker.

Sir, it is not the question of merits I think I heard the Honourable Minister say to this House just now that the M.Ps were going there because they had to perform a function.

We are M.Ps and is there any difference bet ween us and the Alliance that in one case you have to consider the merits and in the other case you do not have to consider the merits, because I did not hear of any qualifications of merits in his reply?
Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, and M.Ps.

are M.Ps Sir, there (Laughter).

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: This also applies.

Mr Speaker, Sir, to the M.Ps on the opposite side!

(Laughter).

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, if the Honourable Minister is re ferring to the difference of M.Ps in respect sex, we are of only one sex, but in the case of Alliance it happens to be mixed.

(Laughter) However, apart from that, what are the other differences between one M.P.

,on the Alliance bench and one M.P.


on the Opposition bench?

Dr Lim Chong Eu (Tanjong): Mr Speaker, Sir, arising out of the last reply by the Honourable Minister of Finance, we accept the fact that there are M.Ps.

and M.Ps.

but surely the Honourable Minister of Finance is not trying to equate M.Ps.

with U;M.N.O.

or party officials?


6655 21 MARCH 1966 6656 LEGAL EXPENSES OF THE HONOURABLE ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB— BREAK-DOWN OF COSTS INCURRED BY GOVERNMENT the Government does and what the Honourable Member will be able to ask at a future session of the Parlia ment.

It is no use anticipating what the Government is going to do.

the 2.
the 2.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Justice for the break-down of the sum of $88,323 spent on Enche' Rahman Talib, showing how much was spent as legal fees and how much was paid as disbursement, and whether this sum of $88,323 covers the legal fees and expenses incurred at the Court of Appeal; and if it does, to state the necessity for engaging the services of three counsels.
The Minister of Home Affairs and Minister of Justice (Dato' Dr Ismail): Sir, the following sums were paid in the High respect of proceedings Courts : in To Messers Rodyk and Davidson: Legal Fees Disbursements $18,333.00 8,120.99 To Messers Shearn and Delamore & Co.: Legal Fees Disbursements ... $19,000.00 8,385.00 The unexpected balance of $34,484.01 reverted to the Treasury on 1-1-1966 on expiry of the financial year 1965.
The costs of the defendants in respect of the proceedings in the High Court, amounting to $34,483.70, have not yet been paid as the defendants have not extracted the Allocatur.

The sum of $88,323 does not cover the legal fees and expenses incurred at the Court of Appeal.

The appeal is still pending.

that Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, is it the intention of the Govern ment to foot the expenses incurred at the hearing before the Court of Ap peal?
If so, is the Minister of Justice aware three expensive counsels were employed to do what presumably a senior Federal Counsel of the Crown could equally do?

Will the Honour able Minister kindly tell this House whether the expenses incurred in the Court of Appeal will also be met by the Attorney-General Department?

Dato' Dr Ismail: Sir, I have men tioned that the appeal is still pending, Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Sir, that is begging the question.
Is the Honour able Minister not aware that, at the time when the High Court hearing was heard and the decision was made and at the time when Enche' Rahman Talib resigned from his ministership, there was no talk of the Government paying his legal fees.

This House is entitled to know whether the Government in tends, or does not intend, to pay the legal fees incurred before the Court of Appeal.
Enche' Kam Woon Wah (Sitiawan): Sir, can the Honourable Minister also inform us whether the Government has to pay for all the damages caused by the recent so-called peaceful demons tration by Labour Party members?

{Laughter).

Mr Speaker: I am afraid is another question entirely.

{Laughter).

that WITHDRAWAL OF FACILITIES FROM SINGAPORE STUDENTS AT MALAYA HALL, LONDON 3.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minis ter of Education to state: {a) if he is aware that despite all the Government's efforts, the majority of the Students at Malaysia Hall, whether Malaysian or Singapo the proposed rean, are against students eviction of Singapore from Malaysia Hall; {b) whether any decision has been this proposed students taken regarding eviction of Singapore from Malaysia Hall; and (c) if official decision has been taken, whether he will seriously consider maintaining the status quo.
The Minister of Education (Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari): Mr Speaker, Sir, no decision has yet been made by Government from Singapore students facilities at Malaysia Hall in London.

In considering what steps to take in this matter, the pre- to withdraw 6657 21 MARCH 1966 6658 dominant consideration will be the interest of Malaysian students in the United Kingdom, for whose progress and welfare, I, as Minister, and the Government are answerable in Parlia ment.
The use of the word "eviction" by the Honourable Member is rather unfortunate.

I say so because, even if it is decided to withdraw such facilities reasonable from Singapore students, notice will be given, so the separation will take place in the smoo thest possible way without causing any unnecessary inconvenience to all par ties concerned.

that Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, if I heard the Honourable Minister correctly, he stated that consideration will be given in the interest of the students.
Is it not in the interest of the students that they should mix amicably and have the closest relations with the students from Singapore studying the world over where they come into con tact with the Malaysian students?

As such, does the Minister not consider it unwise, unpolitic, to withdraw such fa cilities as there may be available to Singapore students wherever they may be?
Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Sir, it is still premature for me to answer that question of the Honourable Mem ber, but I would say that it is our policy to encourage our students to mix with students from any part of the world and, in particular, with students from neighbouring countries.
Even if it is decided that Singapore should se parate from us in Malaysia Hall, there is nothing whatsoever to prevent Singa pore students from mixing freely in social parties, in other functions, so that they will come to know each other better.

In fact, I would say that is most desirable.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: That is shed ding crocodile tears.

Is the Minister not aware that Malaysian students, be in London, Great Britain, or they Ireland, and locally, are absolutely against such a move?
Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Sir, I the in London, and had myself met the Malaysian students leaders of I can assure the Honourable Member that they do share his opinion.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Is the Minister of Education aware that his brain washing of students in London has not been as quite successful as he would like this House to believe?
Is he aware that this copy of the Suara Merdeka, published by the forum of Malaysian students in London, was published after this so-called assurance by the students that they will toe the line definitely is against such a retrograde step.

If the Honourable Minister has not got a copy of this, or is unaware of this, I will very gladly pass this on to him.

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: I do not believe in the doctrine of brain washing as adopted by the Labour Party.
However, I would say that when I went there, I did not meet the leaders of the Forum because I felt that I had no mandate to meet them.

But never theless, I did meet the leaders of the Malaysian students for whom, as I said in my reply just now, I am res ponsible the to Parliament and country.

As regards the Suara Merdeka which the Honourable Member spoke about just now, I would say that this paper is issued by the Forum which is a mixture of Malaysian and Singapore students.
So, the views of the Suara Merdeka will not necessarily convey the views of the Malaysian students.

to leaders of those so-called Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Will the Honourable Minister inform this House who the they Malaysian students are?

Were elected, was there a delegation sent and, if so, who do they represent actually— all students in London, all students in England, or all students in Great Britain.

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: All the accredited representatives of stu dents from London.
They did not only come from London but also from other parts of the country, and my Permanent Secretary, after I left London, went on to Belfast as well as to Dublin to meet the Malaysian students leaders there and to explain the situation himself to them.

6659 21 MARCH 1966 6660 Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, part of my question was, how do they accept these students as leaders?

Were they chosen?

And if they were chosen, how were they chosen?


Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: They were all elected representatives of the governing bodies of students in London and other parts of the country.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Were the representatives of the Pemuda Socialis in London also invited to this cherita with the Honourable Minister of Education?

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: I cannot distinguish one from the other, Sir.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: If so, how can the Minister come and tell us that he met all the student leaders in London.

At least there is one body of students in London-those of the Pemuda Sosialis-which he cannot distinguish one from the other.

Enche Mohamed Khir Johari: I said that, I met the accredited representa tives of Malaysian students.

I did not know whether the Pemuda Sosialis were a group of people, or a group of students, coming from Singapore and Malaysia.

I am not very sure about that.


Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Is the Ho nourable Minister infonning this House that the view expressed in Suara Mer deka, in fact, is not that of the Malay sian students, and that Suara Merdeka is in fact a publication by Malayan and Singapore students?
If that is so, is not the Honourable Minister aware that the Suara Merdeka is printed by the Forum of Malaysian and Singapore students; and since it is the official organ of the Malaysian and Singapore students, is he trying to tell this House that Suara Merdeka is, in fact, only expressing the views of the Singapore students and not the Malaysian students?
If so, then obviously what he is trying to say is that Suara M erdeka in fact does not represent the Forum, since the Forum consists of both Malaysian and Singa pore students.

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: The Forum is made up of students from Singapore and Malaysia, but I believe that the students of Singapore are in full control of the Forum.
I said just now, that the views published in the Suara Merdeka do not necessarily represent the views of the Malaysian students in London, or in other parts of the United Kingdom.

in my reply, Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Is the Honour able Minister aware that in this Forum of Malaysian and Singapore students, the Malaysian leadership comprises many prominent Malaysian students and they are not prepared to play second fiddle to Singapore students as insinuated by the Honourable Minister?
Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: I think that is a matter of opinion, Sir.

THE PACIFIC POWER TRUST INTERNATIONAL ESTABLISH MENT, SWITZERLAND 4.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew asks the Minister' of Commerce and Industry to inform this House whether the Govern ment has heard of the Pacific Power Trust International Establishment, Switzerland.
and whether the Govern ment knows it is operating in this country and if so, (a) What exactly is this company; tht> (b) whether it is correct that Pacific Power Trust International Establishment is starting a paper mill the district of Kuala Brang, Ulu Trengganu; and (c) whether the Government will in form the House whether or not this Company has been given a pioneer status.
in Enche' Khaw Kai-Bob: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Government has not heard of the Pacific Power Trust International Establishment, Switzerland, and has no knowledge that it is operating in this country, though an application for pioneer status to start a paper mill has been received by the Government from a company in Switzerland.
Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, in order to ask this supplementary question, I may have to inform the 6661 21 MARCH 1966 6662 Honourable Minister that this Com pany, in fact, has been promised 18,000 acres of Land at Kuala Brang-and there is an()ther promise of 12,000 acres at the same site-and that a factory site has, in fact, been proposed at Pan chor of 150 acres.

Now, if my facts are correct, should not this Company have first been registered in Malaya, in order to operate here.
If it has been registered under the Companies Ordinance, surely, the Honourable Minister ought to have been informed of the existence of this company.

Has the Honourable Minister enquired from the Companies Registrar whether or not such a com pany has been registered in Malaya?
Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: In the first instance, Sir, if the Honourable Mem ber has been aware of all the facts, he should have submitted these facts to my Ministry, when he sent in this question, in order to assist the Ministry to make the necessary enquiries.

But nevertheless.
But nevertheless.

I can assure the Honour able Member that any answer given by the Government Bench here is based on enquiries made and, for his informa tion, enquiries have been made with the Registrar of Companies, the State Secretary, Trengganu, the Embassy of Switzerland, the District Officer, Kuala Brang, and the result is that no such company known as the Pacific Power Trust International Establishment, Switzerland, exist.
Enche' Lim Kean Siew: I am indeed surprised at the lack -Of kn<>wledge displayed by the Honourable Minister in answering this question.

In order to ask my next question, I have to state further facts: that the application for this site was in fact, I understand, approved in principle by the Legislative Assembly of Trengganu ........... .
Enche' Khaw Kai-Bob: Mr Speaker, Sir, on a point of clarification-the Honourable Member may not be aware that there are a lot of State matters which are not under the province of my Ministry.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, I knew that this answer was going to come and that, was why I framed my question this way.

I am not asking about a state matter.

I am asking whether or not a company can operate this country without registering in under the Companies Ordinance.

This is a Federal matter.


Encbe' Khaw Kai-Bob: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Member should have asked that question first.

Encbe' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, I asked that question two questions ago!

( 1) whether he was aware that it was registered under the Companies Ordinance.

Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: I have already stated, Mr Speaker, Sir, that that company was not, and is still not registered under the Companies Ordi nance in this country.
Enche' Lim Kean Siew: And Mr Speaker, Sir, following that question, I ask, if the company is not registered in this country, can it operate in this country?

Enche' Khaw Kai-Bob: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Member is a lawyer, and I think he can answer the same question himself.

It is quite · clear in law that no overseas company can operate in this country without first registering itself a branch under Part X, or Part XI, of the Companies Ordinance.
Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, I know that I could have answered that question, but coming from me would have led to an accusation that afterall the Opposition only wants to oppose for the sake of opposing, and coming from the Minister ·himself, of course, would have greater weight and authority, and I wanted that autho rity.
Mr Speaker, Sir, will then the Honourable Minister enquire whether or not it is a fact that this company has applied and has been given, in principle, the right to operate this reserve-that is the first question.

The second question is whether or not it is against the law, if this offer is not thrown out on open tender.

I under stand that this matter has not been thrown out on open tender.
Enche' Khaw Kai-Bob: Mr, Speaker, Sir, if the Honourable Member had 6663 21 MARCH 1966 6664 it the details earlier, submitted all would have helped my Ministry to make further enquiries.

I hope he will submit details for further enquiries to be made.

to my Ministry Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, just now we heard the Minister said he had already made enquiries from State and District levels.
My colleague, the Honourable Member for Dato' Kramat, has already stated that this matter has been approved, in the State Assembly.

principle, Consequently, Mr Speaker, Sir, the State knows about it, and if what my colleague, for Dato' the Member Kramat, says is true, then obviously is the Minister aware that he has been led up the garden path?

in under Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, my answer was quite straight forward.
No company this name is known in the State, in the Companies Registry, as well as in the Swiss Embassy; and if the company had applied for anything under a different name, that is quite a different matter.
and Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, we now have a categorical state ment from the Honourable Minister that he has made enquiries from the the State State Government, Government of Trengganu has said that it was not aware of the existence of such a company, or that there has been any application by this company for anything whatsoever.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I would refer the Honourable Minister to my question Number 4 (b).
Number 4 (b) says, "whether it is correct that the Pacific Power is Trust International Establishment starting a paper mill in the district of Kuala Brang, Ulu Trengganu"—that was my question.

To that question the Honourable Minister has said that he the has made enquiries and answer has been in the negative.
But Mr Speaker, Sir, something must be fishy here, because, as I have said, there was, I understand, a decision by the State Assembly in May, 1965, whereby an application for a kilang Kayu di-daerah Kuala Brang, Jabatan that Hulu Trengganu, was approved on the application of a Sharikat Pacific Power Trust International Establish ment, so that, in fact, on the official papers of the Trengganu State Govern ment there is already an approval for a paper mill by this company which apparently does not exist, and whose existence the Honourable Minister is completely unaware of.
Surely, in this instance the Honourable Minister must have been completely misled and perhaps, deliberately misinformed.

to Enche' Kaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, the Honourable Sir, my answer Member to question 4 (b) is, "No".

There is no such a paper mill proposed under the company as stated by the Honourable Member, and I would like to point to the Honourable Member that, as regards alienation of land, this purely a State matter the Federal Government does not inter fere.
in which Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, I think I am being pressed Toan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid (Sebe- rang Utara): Mr Speaker, Sir, as a point (4) of order: Standing Order 24 states that a question shall not be made the pretext for a debate.

The Honourable Member has been debating on this issue, or making a statement.

Honourable Members: Hear, hear.

information Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Perhaps, Mr Speaker, Sir, you should give up your seat to him.
Mr Speaker, Sir, I have quite authoritative that this company exists, but I have myself not made certain of it, and that was why I enquired of the Honourable facts under Question Minister 4 (b).

Should the Honourable Minister wish to have further information on this, I am prepared to disclose it to him now in this House, or outside, as he wishes.
for Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, if the Honourable Member has any details on is welcome to submit the details to my Ministry for further enquiries, instead of wasting the time of this House.

this matter, he 6665 21 MARCH 1966 6666 Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, I will quote part of the Minutes of the State of Trengganu which read: "Chadangan membena kilang kayu di- daerah Kuala Brang Hulu Trengganu, etc, etc, 260/39.
Majlis Meshuarat telah menim- bangkan chadangan Sharikat Pacific Power Trust International Establishment, Switzer land kerana mendirikan sa-buah kilang kayu di-daerah Kuala Brang, Jabatan Hulu, Trengganu, dan bersetuju pada dasar-nya."

Is that sufficient to make further enquiries?

information to ask The Minister of Lands and Mines (Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub): Mr Speaker, Sir, I have been informed by the Government that the applica tion had been for kilang kayu.
Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, now we are trying to split hairs.

Just now we were told that there was no existence of such a company what soever.

Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Ya'kub: As a lawyer, he should know that the company is not registered under the Companies Ordinance.

It has no personality in this country and, there fore, it does not exist in that sense— it might exist overseas.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, the intention of my question is clear.
Now, the Honourable Minister in answering that question is falling back upon law.

He said that if under the law a company does not exist, it therefore does not exist at all.

It does exist, but it may exist illegally—just as a subversive organisation which may not be registered but it may be existing illegally.

If you say, it does not exist it exists illegally, I would accept that answer.
legally, but that Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: It exists as a legal personal on registration and before registration it does not exist at all.

There is no such thing as legal personal until it is registered under the Companies Ordinance or Compa nies Act.

I would like to ask the honourable Member to revise this law.

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

are saying is this: "That in fact we admit that this company exists; that in fact this company is not registered; that in fact this company has made an application for a paper mill; that " in fact Dato' Dr Ismail: Mr Speaker, Sir, on a point of Order—Standing Order 23 (1).

Questions should not become a matter for debate.

The Honourable Minister has answered a question on facts.

Now, there is a dispute as to whether the Honourable Member would accept the Honourable Minister's answer or not.
The Honourable Minister has given his reply to the question asked, but now the question instead of has become a debate Questions and Answers as stated.

Therefore I propose that you close this question.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, I cannot accept this answer.

Mr Speaker: The matter of ques tion should not be made a pretext for debate—you it; and, besides, now the Question Time is up.
should know BILLS PRESENTED THE CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL Bill to amend the Constitution of the the Federation; presented by Assistant Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent meeting of this House.
THE PRESERVATION OF BOOKS BILL Bill to make provisions relating to the preservation of books and to provide for matters connected there the Assistant with; presented by Minister and Sports; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
of Culture, Youth THE DIPLOMATIC PRIVILEGES (VIENNA CONVENTION) BILL Enche' Lim Kean Siew: I take it that what the Honourable Ministers Bill to amend the law on diplomatic privileges and immunities by giving 6667 21 MARCH 1966 6668 effect to the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations (signed in 1961) and for other matters connected there with; presented by the Assistant Minister of External Affairs; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE INTERNAL SECURITY (AMENDMENT) BILL Bill to amend the Internal Security Act, 1960; presented by the Minister of Home Affairs; read the first time; to be read a second time at the next sitting of the House.

THE REGISTRATION OF GUESTS (AMENDMENT) BILL Bill to amend the Registration of Guests Act, 1965; presented by the Minister of Home Affairs; read the first time; to be read a second time at the next sitting of the House.
Minister of Justice; read the first time; to be read a second time at the next sitting of the House.

THE CIVIL LAW (AMENDMENT) BILL Bill to amend the Civil Law Ordi nance, 1956· and to repeal certain writ ten laws relating to apportionment and assignment; presented by the Minister of Justice; read the first time; to be read a second time at the next sitting of the House.

THE SUPPLEMENTARY SUPPLY (1965) (No.


3) BILL Bill to apply sums out of the Con solidated Fund for additional expendi ture for the service of the year, 1965, to appropriate such sums for and certain purposes; presented by the Assistant Minister of Finance; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE MINOR OFFENCES (AMEND- THE EDUCATION (AMENDMENT) MENT) BILL BILL Bill to amend the Minor Offences Ordinances, 1955; presented by the Minister of Home Affairs; read the first time; to be read a second time at the next sitting of the House.

THE COMMON GAMING HOUSES (AMENDMENT) BILL Bill to amend the laws relating to Common Gaming of the States of Malaya, Sabah and Sarawak; presented by the Minister of Home Affairs; read the first time; to be read a second time at the next sitting of the House.
THE CINEMATOGRAPH FILMS (AMENDMENT) BILL Bill to amend the Cinematograph Films Ordinance, 1952; presented by the Minister of Home Affairs; read the first time; to be read a second time at the next sitting of the House.

Bill to amend Section 4 of the Educa tion (Amendment) Act, 1963; presented by the Minister of Education; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE MEDICAL REGISTRATION (AMENDMENT) BILL Bill to amend the Medical Registra tion Ordinance, 1952; presented by the Minister of Health; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subse quent sitting of this House.
THE FEDERATION OF MALAYA RUBBER EXCHANGE ONCORPO- RATION) (AMENDMENT) BILL Bill to amend the Federation of Malaya Rubber Exchange (Incorpora tion) Act, 1962; presented by· the Minister for Local Government and Housing; read the first time; to be tead a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE .JUDGES' REMUNERATION THE RUBBER EXPORT REGIS- (AMENDMENT) BILL TRA TION BILL Bill to amend the Judges' Remune- ration Act, 1963; presented by the Bill to provide for the registration of rubber exported from the States of - - · · - - - · - - - - - · 6669 21 MARCH 1966 6670 for matters Malaya and incidental thereto; presented by the Minister for Local Government and Housing; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE COMPANIES (AMENDMENT) BILL Bill to amend the Companies Act, 1965; presented by the Minister for Local Government and Housing; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE HOUSING DEVELOPERS (CONTROL AND LICENSING) BILL Bill to provide for the control and licensing of the business of housing developments in the Federation and for matters connected therewith; presented by the Minister for Local Government and Housing; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE WORKERS (MINIMUM STANDARDS OF HOUSING) BILL land for workers and Bill to prescribe minimum standards of housing for workers, to require employers to provide nurseries, and to their allot dependants in the place of employ ment and to provide for matters in cidental the Minister of Labour; read the first time; to be read a second time at a sub sequent sitting of this House.
thereto; presented by THE CHILDREN AND YOUNG PERSONS (EMPLOYMENT) BILL Bill to regulate the employment of children and young persons; presented by the Minister of Labour; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE NATIONAL LAND REHABI LITATION AND CONSOLIDATION AUTHORITY (AMENDMENT) BILL Bill to amend the National Land Rehabilitation Consolidation and Authority Act, 1966; presented by the Minister of Lands and Mines; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of thi::: House.

Mr Speaker: The sitting is suspended.

Sitting suspended at 11.13 a.m.

Sitting resumed at 11.35 a.m. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) MOTIONS THE DEVELOPMENT (SUPPLE MENTARY) (No.
3) ESTIMATES, 1965 The Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance (Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the motion standing in the name of the Minister of Finance on the Order Paper be referred to a Committee of the whole House, viz., That this House resolves that an additional sum not exceeding $16,785,621 be expended out of the Development Fund in respect of the financial year 1965, and that, to meet the purpose of the Heads and Sub-heads set out in the First and Second columns of the Statement laid on the Table as Command Paper No.
5 of 1966, there be appropriated the sums specified opposite such Heads and Sub-heads in the eighth and ninth columns thereof.

the Honourable Members will recall that the original Development Estimates for 1965 amounted to $801,156,724, and with two previous Supplements already approved, the total has come to $853,710,305.
It is, however, neces sary for various reasons which I will explain shortly to supplement the pro vision in the Development Estimates by a further sum of $16,785,621 as shown in the Development (Supplementary) (No.

3) Estimates, 1965.

This will bring the total appropriation in respect of all expenditure the Development Fund for the year 1965 to $870.5 mil lion.
As the 1965 accounts have not as yet been finalised, it is not possible at this stage to say precisely what the actual expenditure for 1965 would be; but from the present indications it is likely to be in the region of $550 million which is .

roughly 31 % below the original estimates.


Out of the amount of $16,785,621 now sought, a sum of $16,785,601 has been advanced from the Contingencies Reserve appear the main ing under Head 153 of Development Estimates, 1965. from 6669 21 MARCH 1966 6670 for matters Malaya and incidental thereto; presented by the Minister for Local Government and Housing; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE COMPANIES (AMENDMENT) BILL Bill to amend the Companies Act, 1965; presented by the Minister for Local Government and Housing; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE HOUSING DEVELOPERS (CONTROL AND LICENSING) BILL Bill to provide for the control and licensing of the business of housing developments in the Federation and for matters connected therewith; presented by the Minister for Local Government and Housing; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE WORKERS (MINIMUM STANDARDS OF HOUSING) BILL land for workers and Bill to prescribe minimum standards of housing for workers, to require employers to provide nurseries, and to their allot dependants in the place of employ ment and to provide for matters in cidental the Minister of Labour; read the first time; to be read a second time at a sub sequent sitting of this House.
thereto; presented by THE CHILDREN AND YOUNG PERSONS (EMPLOYMENT) BILL Bill to regulate the employment of children and young persons; presented by the Minister of Labour; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of this House.
THE NATIONAL LAND REHABI LITATION AND CONSOLIDATION AUTHORITY (AMENDMENT) BILL Bill to amend the National Land Rehabilitation Consolidation and Authority Act, 1966; presented by the Minister of Lands and Mines; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting of thi~ House.

Mr Speaker: The sitting is suspended.

Sitting suspended at 11.13 a.m.

Sitting resumed at 11.35 a.m. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) MOTIONS THE DEVELOPMENT (SUPPLE MENTARY) (No.
3) ESTIMATES, 1965 The Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance (Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the motion standing in the name of the Minister of Finance on the Order Paper be referred to a Committee of the whole House, viz., That this House resolves that an additional sum not exceeding $16,785,621 be expended out of the Development Fund in respect of the financial year 1965, and that, to meet the purpose of the Heads and Sub-heads set out in the First and Second columns of the Statement laid on the Table as Command Paper No.
5 of 1966, there be appropriated the sums specified opposite such Heads and Sub-heads in the eighth and ninth columns thereof.

the Honourable Members will recall that the original Development Estimates for 1965 amounted to $801,156,724, and with two previous Supplements already approved, the total has come to $853,710,305.
It is, however, neces sary for various reasons which I will explain shortly to supplement the pro vision in the Development Estimates by a further sum of $16,785,621 as shown in the Development (Supplementary) (No.

3) Estimates, 1965.

This will bring the total appropriation in respect of all expenditure the Development Fund for the year 1965 to $870.5 mil lion.
As the 1965 accounts have not as yet been finalised, it is not possible at this stage to say precisely what the actual expenditure for 1965 would be; but from the present indications it is likely to be in the region of $550 million which is roughly 31 % below the original estimates.
Out of the amount of $16,785,621 now sought, a sum of $16,785,601 has been advanced from the Contingencies Reserve appear the main ing under Head 153 of Development Estimates, 1965. from - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 6671 21 MARCH 1966 6672 It will be observed that the largest supplement is in respect of Head 121- Minister of Commerce and Industry for which a sum of $7,000,000 is re quired to pay outstanding claims from estates in connection with the Rubber Replanting Scheme No.
2, and $250,000 as a loan to the Federation of Malaya Rubber Exchange.

The second largest supplement of $7,080,200 is for Head 147--Civil Aviation.

This is required for the purchase of additional shares of Malaysian Airways Limited in order the Federal increase Government's holding in the Company.

The third largest supplement of $1.5 million is for Head 144-Telecom munications.

This sum is required for carrying out extensions to the telephone subscribers' network.
Additional tele phone exchange equipment will have to be purchased and more staff re cruited to keep pace with the demand for telephones.

sum to The other items requiring supple ments are relatively small in amount.

A sum of $694,510 is required under Head 126-Minister of National and Rural Development for resettling the Chinese living at Tebedu village near the border into the emergency develop ment area along the Kuching/Serian Road.
$40,000 / - required under is Head 139-Government Buildings (Other than Housing) to meet progress payments during the year for the reno vation, redecoration and supply of new furniture and fittings for Istana Negara.

Under Head 134-Drainage and Irri gation, is a sum of $731 required for the payment of outstanding claims in connection with land acquisition for the irrigation schemes at Pengkalan Aor, Perak Central.
There are also three items for which only token sums are required for the purpose of obtaining the approval of the House to revise the total estimated costs of two projects, and to create a new item under an existing sub-head.

Further details of the expenditure for which approval is sought will be given by the Ministers concerned when the Estimates are discussed under the various Heads during the Committee stage.

incurred are Honourable Members will observe the note on the front page of Command Paper No.
5 of 1966 which draws attention to Appendix "A" to the paper in which are listed projects and schemes undertaken and financed by the States of Sabah and Sarawak in the first instance before the actual expen diture reimbursed by means of grant from the Federal Go vernment.
As a general rule, these projects and schemes which appear in the original Development Estimates, 1965, should have been signified by the letter "s" denoting that the actual expenditure on them will be reimbursed by the Federal Government.

The pur pose of the Appendix is purely to rectify the inadvertent omission of the letter "s" against these projects and schemes.

Sir, I beg to move.
Sir, I beg to move.

The Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health (Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman): Tuan Yang di Pertua, saya menyokong.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, I rise to speak on the motion that has been introduced by the Parliamen tary Secretary to the Minister of Fin ance.

With your permission, Sir, may I comment on a few of the acts of ommission and of commission on the part of the Government?
Mr Speaker, Sir, if you look at the allocation for the Ministry of Local Government and Housing, although this is a supplementary one, you can see how paltry that sum is.
For this, I do not hold the Minister of Local Govern ment to blame, rather, I think, instead of blaring out in the press and in the country of the 'great society' that is building for this country, he should fight with greater vigour with his Cabinet colleagues, in particular the Minister of Finance, for greater alloca tions for housing, especially where these sums that are allocated to his Ministry are not for direct expenditure but by way of loans which can be recovered.
I do know that he has an uphill task, and I do not hold him to blame, but I do hope that his efforts will be more successful in future.

6673 21 MARCH 1966 6674 The next thing is, there is this sum of $694,510 spent on Emergency Re settlement Regrouping schemes in the Borneo States.

One reads from the press—and here I am not trying to be communal but merely stating a fact— of Chinese being resettled.

I wonder if the Government cares to give us an explanation why only Chinese are resettled.
Is it because only Chinese are considered to be security risks, or that others are not considered as security risks?

In connection with this resettle ment, one also knows that properties for example, the crops and other im movable properties of the people, who are resettled, sometimes are being pil fered.
I do hope that the Government can give us an adequate reply as to whether these properties will be ade quately protected, while the people are being resettled, and in connection with the resettlement camp itself, I do hope that adequate facilities like schools, water, light, will be provided for these unfortunate victims who, through no fault of their own, are being resettled.
Finally, Mr Speaker, Sir, we do know that in Malaya itself more than 18 years after the declaration of the Emergency, the people who have been living in the new villages have not been given titles to the land on which they have lived for more than 10 years.

In this respect, I do hope that the Central Government will take this up with the State Government imme diately.

irrigation Mr Speaker, Sir, there is an item for in various schemes States.
I have an adjournment speech on the floods in the Eastern States of Malaya and I do not wish to touch on them.

I notice that the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives is I need hardly today.

present here remind him that the other day there was a delegation from the Kaum Ibu that met him at the Sultan Suleiman Club at Kampong Baharu.

Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, this is a thing that I myself have raised in this House.
I have raised it in the Selangor State Assembly, but unfortunately for more than two years nothing has been done to minimise the effects of floods that the Sungai Bunus.
are caused by to the always subject in 1964, the election Unfortunately, there have been lots of promises both by the Central and State Government: for example, on the eve of then Assistant Minister of Interior, Enche' Cheah Theam Swee, openly said that he was going to spend millions of dollars to control the floods caused by Sungei Bunus in Kampong Baharu.
Kampong Baharu is not very far from this House, and I am sure that the Minister of Agriculture and Co-opera tives is well aware of those floods, since the very area that he was in—the Sultan Suleiman Club, a little behind that—is floods during a heavy shower.

I see that this has become a political football.

The Drainage and Irrigation Department kicks it on to the Kuala Lumpur Municipality.
Unfortunately, or fortu nately, the Minister of Local Govern ment and Housing has to receive a delegation from the Anti-flood Com mittee, and then the State Government has been asked this problem.

They all pass the buck from one to the other, and the net result of this is that the unfortunate inhabi tants, whose homes are flooded by the Sungei Bunus, have to bear the brunt of these floods.

None other than a Senator had to remove a piano with the assistance of the people around due to these floods.
I do hope that the Minister of Agriculture and Co-opera is his tives Department which will carry out the canalisation of Sungei Bunus, will get on with this job.

in particular, since to deal with it In connection with the expenditure on the renovation and extension to the existing Istana Negara at Taylor Road, Mr Speaker, Sir, I do hope that the the Government, the financial stringency, austerity drive, will keep expenditure of this nature to the barest minimum.
in view of in view of There is the expenditure of 1.5 million for subscribers to be spent by the Telecommunication Department.

I do know that the Ministry is aware of the thousands of subscribers who are waiting, some for as long as two years, for telephones to be connected to their homes.
I fail to see why more sums cannot be allocated for work of 6675 21 MARCH 1966 6676 this nature, since this is a revenue earning Department, more so when you have this ten-cents-per-call to be in troduced by the Central Government.

This is not only a revenue earning but it will be a money spinning Depart ment, when ten-cents-per-call above one hundred calls is introduced, and I do hope that more will be allocated for work of this nature.
the to at tabled the allocation Mr Speaker, Sir, may I, with your permission, come to an act of omission on the part of the Central Government.

I have here with me a document, which has been the University of Malaya, and that has to do with the University of Malaya under the First Malaysia Plan.
Of course, when we were discussing the First Malaysia Plan, we did not know what would be the allocation to the University of Malaya for the simple reason that it has all been built into the allocation for the Ministry of Education.

Now the position is clearer, and we know that the sum of $30 million has been granted under the First Malaysia Plan to the University of Malaya.
Unfortu nately, out of this sum, a sum of $1 million for the great hall of adminis tration, the sum of $.25 million for the estate office, $4 million for the Faculty of Medicine, staff housing, adding up to a total of $5 .25 million has been built into this sum of $30 million.

In other words, these sums have already been committed by the University of Malaya, and in the course of this year payments will be made.
Consequently, the actual sum that is allocated for under development to the University of Malaya is the sum of $24.75 million which is a totally inadequate sum for the expansion of the University of Malaya.

The Minister of Education, I see, is closely looking at the figures now, and I hope he does not dispute my figures, because these are official documents that I have with me.
Quite rightly he has been trumpeting up and down the country that the facilities at the University of Malaya will be expanded, so that no child worthy of admission the University of Malaya will be denied admission there.

Now for his benefit, I will read out some statistics to him.

to If the University is to expand up to 7 ,000 population, and it can easily expand up to 7 ,000 population by the end of 1970, the bid put in by the University has been $43,554,000.
If, on the other hand, the expansion is to be limited up to 5,000 students, the bid put in by the University has been $29,994,000.

Now, Mr SpeaK:er, Sir, instead of considering either $43 million for 7 ,000 students, or $29 million, or nearly $30 million for 5,000 students, the N.D.P.C., that is the National Development Planning Committee and the Cabinet in its wisdom pruned down the Development Expenditure of the University to the sum of $24.75 million.
The University depends almost entirely for its revenue on the Government, and if the Govern ment decides to curtial expenditure on development as requested by the University, then the solution, as far as the University is concerned, is a very simple one.

It will have to curtail admission.

This is as simple as that.
If the Government wants to give this $24.75 million only, then the Univer sity has got on other alternative but to drastically cut down its expansion programme, because already I do know the staff (academic) student ratio is very high, so that, if you increase it further, for example; the staff-student ratio is about one staff to about 11 student now, if you increase it to 15 or 20, what is going to happen is that you no longer have a University, but you are going to have a high school.
If the Government wants it, so be it.

that Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, there are only two items in connection with this that I wish to bring to the attention of the Minister of Education.

I have with me a document, and no doubt the Minister himself can get this piece of document, setting out in detail the final figures taking into account the reductions and additions based on the optimum student population of 7,000 by 1970.
These figures carry two very interesting items-School of Dentistry, a token vote of $10, school of Agricul ture, a token vote of $10/-.

As stated before, Mr Speaker, Sir, it is as simple as that-if the Government does not 6677 21 MARCH 1966 6678 w.ant to provide expenditure for expan sion, then such items as token votes appear on the University Expansion Programme.
Now, I must confess that I do not know how serious is this allocation of token vote of $10 / - for agriculture, but I notice that the Minis ter for Health is here and I am sure he will agree with me that a token vote of $10/- for Health is a very serious thing.

We all know that this country is desperately short of dental surgeons.

We also know that-I think way back in 1952-the Government held examinations to register unquali fied dentists.
I am told, I do not know how far that is true that for some curious reasons this register instead of getting smaller and smaller with the passage of time is getting bigger and bigger.

Now this is a thing that the Minister for Health should sort out.

The register with the passage of time, where time will take its toll of a regis tered dentist, instead of getting smaller and smaller, it is getting bigger and bigger.
I leave it to the Minister for Health to sort it out, but Mr Speaker, Sir, this School of Dentistry with a token vote of $10 / - raises a very serious problem for this country.

As I stated before, we are desparately short of dental surgeons.

Secondly, we send about 30 dental students to the Univer sity of Singapore every year.

Now in terms of money spent on these students at the rate of $8,000 per student, it comes to about a quarter of a million.
If you multiply that over five years, you will see that it is more than a capital sum of $1 million that is required to put up a dental school in the University of Malaya campus.

That is only in terms of the 30 dental stu dents, but what about other expenses that are necessary?

Mr Speaker, Sir, the pity of it is this: except for the $1 million that is required for the dental school, all the other facilities' to train the dental surgeons for the first two years' they are there.
The Government has only to give the go ahead and the University next year can take in dental students.

Now, that cannot be said for many of these pro jects that can be ·found cluttering the First Malaysia Five Year Plan (i) I can assure the Minister for Education, and also the Minister for Health, that all the $24.75 million will be spent by the University of Malaya.

There will not be any sums of money unspent, and in particular the dental school.
If the Cabinet gives the go ahead, to morrow a Board of Studies can be set up and then by next year the Univer sity of Malaya can take in dental students and, perhaps, let the Minister for Health to have a little sounder sleep.
I see, Mr Speaker, Sir, he nods in agreement with me and I hope he can persuade his colleague the Minister for Education, sitting beside him and also his other Cabinet colleagues, that $1 million out of a total of $4,550 million is less than chiken feed, if you take into account that lots of unneces sary the First that clutter Malaysia Five Year Plan.

items I now come to this sum of $7 million plus that is required by the Minister of Transport for the Malaysian Air ways Limited.
Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, this is a very odd position.

We are the to spend $7 million on going expansion of the Malaysian Airways.

If I may read out to this House, Mr Speaker, Sir, the answers to some of the questions that I have asked the Minister for Transport.
As regards the ownership of the Malaysian Airways and the stocks held by these owners as on 1-1-1966 Malaysia, a paltry 50,000; Singapore, a paltry 60,000 Sabah gets more $64,000 plus; Sarawak is $64,000 plus; B.O.A.C., nearly 7 times more 347,060; Qantas, 5 times more, 257,100; Straits and Ocean Steamship & Co., double the amount that Malaysia holds, 100,000; and then you have Brunei 25,300; General Public 35,800; I do not know what is Item No.

10, "M.A.L.
10, "M.A.L.

"; but I presume that is Malayan Airways Limited, and it holds 10,000.

Now, the Minister kindly adds this pious hope: "It is, however, proposed that stocks held the Governments of Malaysia and by Singapore should be increased to 758,200 each so that together Malaysia and Singapore would jointly hold a majority of 60.64%.

This is, however, not yet finalised and is still under negotiation with Singapore."

Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, we have been independent since 1957, that is nine years ago.
After nine long years a 6679 21 MARCH 1966 6680 transport mainly, which national airway, which provides inter nal the money spinning component of any airways, is still in the hands of the orang puteh.

"Apa macham Tuan Menteri", may I ask?

is Mr Speaker, Sir, it is incredible the way things.
the Government does Instead of saying, "It is however pro posed", this House may be moved re assured if he can tell us that by a certain date, let us say by the end of the first half of this year, these plans will be finalised, and not 60%, but it should be perhaps, the whole of taken over by the Government.

Why not?

This is a national airway.

It is a money spinning airway, and why should it not be completely national ised?

If it is stated that we must have the know how of Quantas and B.O.A.C.
no doubt adequate arrangements can be made with these big combines to their provide such facilities without the having such a stranglehold on shares of Malaysian Airways Limited.

Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, I have here with me a whole heap of press cuttings: "How National is the National airline", says the heading; "Transport Troubles with Malaysia Airways;" "Engineers shortage cause of delays to airlines".
It looks to me that almost everyday there is a headline regarding Malaysian Airways; "The day the planes did not fly"—a whole heap of troubles of Malaysian Airways.

If I, with your permission, Mr Speaker, Sir, may read out this little choice bit from the Straits Times of 28-3-66: "The Malaysian Airways administration was to-day held responsible for the frequent delays in its Comet Jet Services because of what were described as short sighted policies.
the Malaysian The General Secretary of Airways, Qantas, Empire Airways, Local Employees Union, Mr Ng Kuan Huat, who hit out at the administration also charged that it has been responsible for introducing jet services without proper planning.

He was commenting on a recent statement by the administration which blamed the short age of engineering staff for the delays in its jet services.

Mr Ng said the administration's statement implied acceptance of their own errors which are now coming to light."
"Why was the Jet Comet Service intro duced when there are not sufficient engineers these aircrafts?

Mr Yee also to handle accused the Administration of not being sincere in training local engineers to handle the servicing of the jet aircraft.

He claimed that a batch of five local apprentices were training under sent for nine months the B.O.A.C.

for aeroplane and in London engine licences to enable them to handle the jet aircraft.
While they were half way through their course they were recalled to Singapore.

Mr Yee said the second batch of seven apprentices were selected for similar training in London last year but later their trip was cancelled.

"Why has the Administration been so half-hearted about the Training of local employees?"

he asked.
that Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, if what is alleged by Mr Yee is true, then I say the people who are directing that Malaysian Airways—the whole pack of them—should be given the sack and the Minister should think in terms of getting a new directorate, because the policy of training local people to handle local affairs has been accepted long ago by the Alliance Government; and here you have allegations, and I see the Minister has not jumped up to refute these allegations, that people who have been sent abroad have been recalled half-way through; people who are supposed to go abroad have their trips aborted before they could go; and I notice that to a number of questions which the training of engineers in Malaysian Airways, as usual, the Minister in his reply has stated: I have asked, regarding "There is an increasing and world-wide shortage of aircraft engineers and, secondly, some difficulty in recruiting staff in circum stances where the company's active policy of replacing expatriate staff resulted in a situation where only relatively short-term to expatriate contracts could be offered personnel."
Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, as I said, we have been independent for the last nine years since 1957.

Surely it is not beyond the capacity of the Ministry of Transport, or Malaysian Airways Li mited to send large batches of local people, and I can assure the Minister that there are many people who are qualified to be trained.
If I remember rightly, QANTAS called for applications for five people to be trained in aircraft engineering and literally there were hundreds of people, who are qualified to be trained who turned up for an interview.

6681 21 MARCH 1966 6682 The Minister of Transport (Dato' Haji Sardon): Mr Speaker, Sir, if the Honourable Member would give way I ask for just one minute for clarifica tion.
I think the Honourable Member and all Honourable Members of this House will be very, very grateful to Malaysian Airways.
We never expected to get our Comet (5) within the last two years, of what was achieved, and it is impossible to expect in a period of two years to train all the engineers and what not to fit in with the Comet; but we did our level best and as the Honourable Member himself realises, we want him safe in the air and land safely, and we cannot take chances with Malaysian Airways—cross our fingers, so far so good.
for that we I am very grateful Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, this Sir, clarification by the Minister.

I am not saying that we should abandon standards—far from it.

As an infre quent traveller of Malaysian Airways, who has suffered a little in the hands of the Malaysian Airways.

I am not saying abandon standards for expediency.


What I am saying is, we should take steps to train local people in large numbers and this, despite the statement of the Honour able the Minister of Transport, is not being done even at this moment, as you can see from these press cuttings that I have read out.

Mr Speaker, Sir, here is a comedy on Comet Flight 122; Here is "Pilots going on strike".

should for jets."

"Shopping Is he not thinking in terms of going into such business as 707?
Now if you are going to gravitate into the big league then surely we should train our people in large numbers instead of when the Boeing 707, or 727, or may be the Vicount 10, lands here, and you say "Apa macham, tidak ada orang bumiputra, dan tidak payah pakai bumiputra, pakai orang Puteh."
Mr Speaker, Sir, this is very serious state of affairs; worse still, Mr Speaker, Sir, I have noticed from a press report in the Daily Citizen of the 10th of February, it is stated there that the the today disclosed Minister Malaysian Airways in operating routes in the Middle East interested that is look after connections and countries in the Far East.

I do not know whether the Minister has been misquoted or not.
I merely read from here, Mr Speaker, Sir, this is going, of course, into the big league, local where you cannot flights between and Jesselton, Sibu, Kuching, Singapore and Kuala Lumpur, and now you are going into the big league and thinking in terms of going to Taipei, perhaps, Japan and Kuwait, Cairo, Beirut and the like.
May I, in all humility tell the Minister of Transport, going into the big league against such big combines as Pan-Am, B.O.A.C, QANTAS, you will be swallowed up in no time; you are not even a member of this trade association known as the I.A.T.A., and you are thinking in terms of going into the big league.
These big combines, to them we are less than chicken feed, and we all know, Mr Speaker, Sir, that operating an international flight is a very highly Competitive business, the luxury of which this country can ill afford.

On the other hand, domestic flights the world over are very profitable, and that is all the more reason why we should not let QANTAS and B.O.A.C.

take away all the profits.


May I ask, in conclusion, Mr Speaker, Sir, to ask the Honourable the Minister not to venture forth into outer space, so to speak.

Let us keep closer to Malaysian skies and keep them safe and spin more money and provide better services and the like.

In conclusion, Mr Speaker, Sir, to just point out in a small way how the Ministry of Transport operates.
I have here a question regarding hangar and Interna repair facilities at Subang inadequacy of tional Airport—the such facilities.

Here is a classic report by the Honourable the Minister: "I am aware of the lack of hangar and repair facilities at the Kuala Lumpur Inter national Airport and a study is being made as to the cost of providing adequate facilities of this type in future and these services will be provided as soon as is practicable."
Mr Speaker, Sir, may the Minister of Transport that we are the laughing stock of the East.

You talk about the International travellers tell in I 6683 21 MARCH 1966 6684 Airport, $52 million show piece of the East, but you do not have adequate hangar and repair facilities-Malu, I tell it to the Minister of Transport in front of his face.

You cannot provide for such simple and fundamental faci lities and you want to go into the big league.
The sooner the Minister forgets about thinking; big the better it is for this country.

Enche' Ong Kee Hui (Sarawak): Mr Speaker, Sir, my observations will be brief and they will be confined to these supple items two merely mentary estimates.

in In (Malaya).
in In (Malaya).

The first item that I want to deal with is the one under the Head 126- Minister of National and Rural Deve lopment introducing this, the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance referred to the need for more money because of the resettlement of people from the Tebedu area.

Mr Speaker, Sir, if I am not mistaken, this concerns some fifty or sixty families, who had to be moved out of Tebedu, which is near the Indonesian border, to the regroup ing area along the Simanggang Road.
I would like to draw the attention of the House to the hardship, which is experienced by these families who have to be moved from Tebedu to the Kuching/Simanggang Road area, because, unlike the people who are living the Kuching/Simanggang Road area, these people are some forty to fifty miles away from their original home and, therefore, unlike the people who have been regrouped in the Simanggang Road area, they have not even · got the facilities for going out every day to look after their gardens, so that they could continue to earn their living that way.
The people who are from the Tebedu area have, in fact, to abandon their gardens, whereas in the case of people with rubber gardens, perhaps leaving the gardens for a while, would probably improve their rubber trees, but in the case of those who have pepper it means they have to totally abandon their gardens, and may have to start life all over again.
I do not know whether in the provisions which have in to alleviate been given here any arrangements have been made the sufferings of these people, and what arrangements have been made to ensure that these people who have to be regrouped are in fact able to earn a living in their new surroundings.
that they are no is to engage The other point, which I wish to make concerning the people in the resettlement area, is that I understand one of the restrictions put on these people longer in any political allowed activities.

Presumably, this would include taking part in any election, standing as candidates in any future election or by-election.

I understand that they have not yet been disfran chised and that in any future election they will still be able to vote.
However, from what little information I have been able to gather, perhaps, none of them will be able to stand as candi dates in any future election or any by-election, which means that these people will have to be represented by people from outside who, though may be very good candidates or representa in other ways, would hardly tives their peculiar know or understand problems.

the· Minister concerned could clarify this point.


I wonder whether The other item I wish to refer to briefly, Sir, is Head 144-Telecom munications (Malaya).

I see that there is provision for extension of sub scribers' network.
I merely wish to ask whether the Minister has any plans for the improvement, similarly, of a subscribers' network in Sarawak, because at the moment, if we wish to speak even within Sarawak, to make a trunk call, it is a metter of luck whether you get through at all, and if you get through at all whether you can carry on a reasonable conversation with the people at the other end; and as for speaking to Kuala Lumpur it is quite a nightmare.
I understand that Sabah ·is more fortunate in that they are able to pick up a telephone and communicate now with any part of the world without any difficulty and with reasonable clarity, so much so that whereas we within Malaysia, 6685 21 MARCH 1966 6686 to communicate especially people from Sarawak, are unable freely by telephone with people in other parts, but some parts of Malaysia seem to be better off.
Therefore, I would ask whether the Minister has any plans for improving the telephone system in Sarawak.

Enche' Hussein bin To' Muda Hassan (Raub): Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya menyokong usul yang di-bawa oleh Setia-usaha Parlimen kapada Menteri ini.

Saya chuma sadikit Kewangan sahaja hendak menyebut berkenaan dengan Kementerian Pengangkutan da Iam Kepala-Malaysian Airways.
Pada masa sekarang banyak dari pada askar2 daripada Tanah besar ini sedang berkhidmat di Malaya negeri2 Borneo, maka anak isteri mereka itu ada tinggal di-Malaya ini.

Ada juga sa-kali sa-kala-nya isteri2 mereka ini chuba hendak mengirimkan makanan2 kapada suami mereka yang berkhidmat di-Sabah atau pun di Sarawak atau pun di-Labuan, maka di-dapati parcel yang di-hantar-nya lambat sangat sampai ka-tempat itu, kadang2 memakan masa sampai sa bulan.
Apabila sampai barang2 yang di-kirimkan itu mereka dapati telah basi.

Maka ini-lah saya minta jasa baik Menteri Pengangkutan minta dengan kerjasama Malaysian Airways ini supaya mereka ini dapat membawa parceF yarig di-hantarkan untok pasok an pertahanan kita yang berkhidmat di-Sabah, di-Sarawak dan di-Labuan supaya kiriman daripada isteri2 mereka yang mereka kasehi itu sampai dengan chepat-nya.
Dan juga saya harap Menteri Peng angkutan akan bekerjasama dengan Menteri Pos dan Talikom supaya harga2 parcel yang di-hantar ka-Wila yah itu untok askar2 kita di-kurangkan sadikit supaya tidak-lah sampai dua tiga ringgit atau pun dapat di-hantar dengan perchuma ka-tempat mereka berkhidmat itu.
Jadi ini-lah saya harap kan kapada Kementerian -eengangku tan tolong ambil perhatian berat sadikit dan minta kerjasama daripada Malay sian Airways ini membawa segala parcel2 kerana hendak di-hantar kapa da pasokan askar2 kita yang berkhidmat di-Borneo itu.

Yang kedua, saya suka hendak me narek perhatian Kementerian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama.
Apa yang saya hendak tegaskan di-sini berkenaan dengan ampang dan tali ayer di-tempat saya-sunggoh pun ini berkali2 saya suarakan dalam Dewan ·ini-apa yang saya hendak tegaskan di-sini pen dapat2 dan fikiran2 pesawah2 di-tempat saya hendak-lah di-jadikan satu pedo man juga bagaimana hendak mengatasi kesulitan2, kekurangan ayer di-sawah2 dalam daerah saya kerana pada masa yang lampau oleh sebab nasehat dari pada teknik2 atau pun nasehat2 segi teknik-nya maka ayer tidak sampai di tempat yang di-harapkan oleh pesawah2 di-situ.
Maka ini-lah saya tegaskan ia itu pendapat dan juga chara yang di peralami oleh pesawah2 di-situ hendak7 lah di-jadikan satu panduan pula kapada Kementerian ini supaya pesa wah2 di-tempat saya itu tidak hampa atas chita2 mereka hendak bertanam padi.

Sekian, terima kaseh.


Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah (Hilir Perak): Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya menyokong juga usul yang di kemukakan di-dalam Dewan ini yang menghajatkan wang sa-banyak lebeh daripada $16 juta, kalau tidak salah, dan saya suka membangkitkan satu perkara di-sini ia-itu dalam Kepala · 139, Penghiasan Istana Negara.
Berkenaan dengan lstana Negara ini saya teringat kapada Duli Yang Maha Mulia bekas Yang di-Pertuan Agong kita yang ketiga dahulu yang datang nya daripada Negeri Perlis dan melihat istana tambahan di-Negeri Perlis dan oleh kerana baginda ia-lah bekas Yang di-Pertuan Agong negara kita dan men dapat penghormatan daripada dalam dan luar negeri dan telah membuat banyak lawatan2 dan teman-nya pun banyak di-luar negeri, maka pada faham saya istana baginda di-Arau itu patut-lah mendapat perhafian daripada Kerajaan kita sa-kali pun Kerajaan Pusat ini telah memberikan pinjaman kapada Kerajaan Perlis untok mem buat dan membesarkan istana di-Arau itu.
Tetapi oleh kerana Negeri Perlis yang terlalu kechil dan kekurangan wang di-dalam membiayai beberapa __ ____ _ , 6687 21 MARCH 1966 6688 pembangunan2, maka rasa saya patut- lah Kerajaan kita ini menutup perbe- lanjaan yang telah di-tanggong oleh Kerajaan Perlis untok membesarkan dan menjadikan itu sa-bagai satu istana yang menjaga taraf bekas Yang di-Pertuan Agong itu.
istana Saya rasa Setia-usaha Parlimen ka pada Kementerian Kewangan ini juga telah mendapat kesempatan untok me- lihat istana yang telah di-bena itu dan kalau sa-kira-nya Kerajaan kita dapat memberikan wang untok menutup perbelanjaan itu pada istana itu, rasa saya itu-lah satu pemberian dan anu- gerah, atau tanda mata kapada jasa dan kenang2an kapada usaha yang lima telah baginda berikan sa-lama tahun kapada negara kita ini.
Saya harap Kementerian Kewangan ini akan dapat menimbangkan dengan bagitu jauh dan memikirkan dengan kechil- nya hasil bagi Negeri Perlis itu.
Yang kedua, saya suka memberi ucha- pan tahniah kapada Kementerian Tem- patan dan Perumahan yang baharu2 ini telah berjaya membena sa-buah market yang besar sa-kali dan modern di-Kota Bharu, dan kalau kita kata Kota Bharu ia-lah Ibu Kota bagi Negeri Kelantan di-mana seluroh Negeri Kelantan itu perentah oleh Kerajaan PAS, manakala kita melihat berjaya-nya market Kota Bharu ini yang telah di-buka dengan rasmi-nya, nampak-lah kapada kita bahawa Kerajaan Perikatan ini tidak memileh anak tiri, atau anak kandong di-dalam pembangunan negara baik di- dalam bandar, atau pun di-luar bandar dan sa-patut-nya pada orang2 Negeri terutama-nya orang2 yang Kelantan, menentang Kerajaan Pusat, pandai2 sa- dikit menguchapkan terima kaseh ka pada Kerajaan Pusat ini yang telah memberikan banyak kemudahan pada ra'ayat Negeri Kelantan dan baharu2 ini Menteri Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar telah pun memberi pula janji, atau pun memberi peruntokan lebeh daripada $1 juta untok hendak membela ra'ayat Negeri Kelantan yang telah di-datangi oleh wabak bah dan beberapa kerosakan yang berlaku da- lam Negeri Kelantan itu.
Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perkara yang saperti ini biasa-nya orang2 PAS dalam Negeri Kelantan tidak pandai menguchapkan terima kaseh kapada Kerajaan Pusat, tetapi chuba pula hendak menipu ra 'ayat pada masa ayer bah itu, kita berikan beras dan bantuan2 tetapi tidak bermalu orang2 PAS ini sudah masok- kan kertas di-dalam kampit2 beras itu mengatakan pemberian ini datang dari pada Kerajaan PAS.
Saya rasa penipuan yang saperti ini, patut-lah di-tiadakan bagi orang2 yang hendak mengajar Islam dan hukuman2 Islam.
Rasa saya, baik juga, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, orang2 PAS ini tidak berkuasa, kalau ia berkuasa, dia telah berchakap di-Krian baharu2 ini, dia hendak menangkap Perdana Menteri, Timbalan Perdana Menteri dan Men teri2 Melayu semua-nya, dan kalau ini berlaku, saya rasa negeri ini tidak akan aman dan rasa-nya perbuatan khianat ini boleh yang di-buat oleh mereka melihat dan boleh merasa betapa Kera jaan Perikatan ini memberikan laya- nan2 yang sama di-antara negeri yang di-perentah-nya dengan negeri yang kita di-perentah-nya.
Hanya tidak harap di-antara supaya kerjasama mereka2 ini akan wujud dan sa-lama kerjasama ini wujud, barangkali ba lagi pembenaan2 akan di-lang- nyak songkan dalam negeri yang di-perentah oleh bukan Ahli2 Perikatan.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bagi meme- nangi hati ra'ayat, terutama sa-kali da lam kempen2 pilehan raya kechil yang berlaku di-Krian Laut dan di-Sungai Baharu baharu2 ini, kita telah men- dengar betapa orang2 PAS telah mena- pikan semua sa-kali pembenaan dan ini untok kemenangan pembangunan dan kebaikan ra'ayat negeri ini.
Ba rangkali juga Yang Berhormat Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama terasa benar beberapa tudohan2 ini di- limparkan kapada Kementerian yang berkenaan dalam soal masaalah harga padi dalam negeri2 Tanah Melayu ini.

Saya rasa harga padi yang telah di- bangkitkan oleh orang2 PAS dengan mendabek2 dada serta mengatakan kami daripada Kelantan takut tidak mati ini, kerana hendak membela orang2 Krian dengan harga padi yang melambong2, kata-nya kalau dia ber kuasa.
Saya rasa Menteri yang ber kenaan akan dapat menerangkan, wa- lau pun sudah berkali2, bukan satu 6689 21 MARCH 1966 6690 kali, sudah berpuloh2 kali sudah di- terangkan tugas dan kewajipan Men- teri Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama dalam masaalah pengeluaran hasil ra 'ayat, terutama padi ini, tetapi maseh lagi tidak dapat di-fahami oleh orang2 yang sa-memang hendak mengelirukan pandangan orang ramai, terutama sa- kali dalam penghasilan ra'ayat.
Berbangkit dari soal ini, saya suka menarek perhatian kapada Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama su paya dapat mengadakan satu perundi- ngan dengan Menteri Perdagangan dan Perusahaan supaya harga2 padi yang telah di-jadikan sa-bagai satu modal dalam kempen PAS pada masa pilehan raya kechil di-Krian itu dapat di- pegang tanggong-jawab-nya oleh Men teri Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama, dan beliau-lah sahaja orang yang ber- bagi mengeluarkan, tanggong-jawab atau pun bagi memberi maklumat har ga2 padi itu dan tidak daripada Kemen- terian yang lain.
ini ini Berbangkit daripada masaalah juga, saya suka menarek perhatian Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Ker jasama dalam usaha kita hendak menanam padi dua kali sa-tahun dan telah berjalan dengan sekarang baik-nya, maka pada fahaman saya sa-lain daripada kita hendak mengga- lakkan ra'ayat menanam padi dua kali sa-tahun itu, ada satu masaalah yang patut di-fikirkan oleh Kerajaan, oleh Kementerian yang berkenaan, ia-itu bagaimana-kah Kementerian ini dapat menampong hajat2 sa-telah hasil padi itu berlipat ganda dengan sebab dua kali sa-tahun.
Kalau pada tahun ini, mithal-nya, dalam kawasan saya di-Hilir Perak ini, padi terlalu subor dan tidak ada aver bah yang melanda saperti Negeri Kelantan— shukor orang2 di-sana banyak berterima kaseh kapada Kerajaan dan shukor kapada Allah Ta'ala kerana padi-nya telah menjadi bertambah pada tahun ini dan yang menjadi rumit sekarang ini ia-lah penjualan-nya pada kilang tidak yang ada di-Telok Anson dapat menampongi kehendak2 ra'ayat yang ada di-Sungai Manik dan Labu Kubong.
ra'ayat itu Dan oleh kerana itu, kesukaran akan timbul dan orang tengah akan dapat menchari peluang daripada kesukaran ini.
Maka saya mengshorkan kapada Kementerian ini supaya dapat di-tam- bah gudang2 untok menerima dan membeli padi2 ra'ayat dan di-simpan di-dalam gudang2 yang di-sediakan oleh Kerajaan dan gudang2 itu sekarang ini tidak chukup untok menampong semua padi yang di-tuai oleh ra'ayat, dan kalau padi ini kita tanam dua kali sa-tahun, maka hasil akan lebeh ba nyak lagi dan kalau sa-kira-nya perse- diaan daripada Kerajaan, daripada Kementerian ini, untok melayani hasil ra'ayat ini tidak sempurna dan tidak dapat di-jalankan dengan sa-baik2-nya, maka tujuan kita untok meninggikan taraf hidup ra'ayat kita itu akan tidak sampai kapada tujuan2 kita dan mata- lamat kita yang sa-benar-nya.
itu Maka kerana saya menarek perhatian Menteri yang berkenaan su paya kawasan2 padi, umpama Krian Laut dan Hilir Perak ini, dapat di-sediakan gudang2 untok di-beli padi2 itu walau pun tidak di-kilang sa-kali gus tetapi di-beli daripada ra'ayat itu dan di-simpan di-dalam kilang2 itu.
Kalau di-Telok Anson ada tidak tempat tetapi di-tengah2 bendang ada yang berhampiran dengan Labu Ku bong dengan Sungai Manek itu boleh- lah di-charikan tempat untok di-adakan kilang, gudang2, dan ra'ayat boleh-lah menjual padi kapada gudang Kerajaan itu.

Jadi itu-lah sahaja, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mengharapkan kapada Kementerian ini.

Banyak tudohan yang di-limparkan tetapi kapada ini akan menjadi dengan pendorong kapada kita bagi membetul- kan kehidupan ra'ayat kita pada masa yang akan datang.
Terima Kaseh.

tudohan2 kita, Enche' Edmund Langgu anak Saga (Sarawak): Mr Speaker, Sir, may I be permitted to say something on Rural in Sarawak Head 126 Development sub-head 20.

Rural Development is the most attractive achievement of the Alliance Government both at the State and Federal level.

It is of course an Alliance duty ruling powers in Malaysia by working hard respect for Mr Speaker, Sir, our Government the people.
So in retain this its to 6691 21 MARCH 1966 6692 to the total cost of there were many joined Malaysia due must have a crash programme for the rural development projects so that all the approved proposals could be implemented without delay.

Sarawak, Sir, the numerous support that we got from the rural people, who were told that they would be benefited by it.

I would like to point out to this House that in 1965 rural projects, which were not implemented because of no funds available.
For instance, in the Sarawak Second Divi rural sion, Sir, development projects amounting to $270,000 over was submitted by the State Development Officer the Federal Ministry of National and Rural Development in order to get funds.

Then the State Development Officer was informed that there was no funds available in.

1965 and, there this project would not be fore, implemented last year.
Furthermore, Sir, our State is also told by the Federal Government that there is very limited funds available for these rural projects this year, and undoubtedly only some of them could be imple mented.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like to point out to the Members of this House this breeds great dis appointment and dissatisfaction.

If this confusion were to be eliminated, I would like to suggest that there should be more funds available to be reserved for similar requests next time.
that to in Sarawak.· Since Now, I am going to say something on RPSA the establishment of RPSA in Sarawak, the acreage for RPSA has been decreased tremendously.

By doing so, the Government appears to be depri ving the people from participating in the RPSA.

As a representative from the rural area of Sarawak, Sir, I would like to state that RPSA in not always possibly some circumstances.
If this is a fact, Sir, I would like to appeal to the Ministry concerned tO increase the acreage for RPSA in Sarawak to enable the willing join RPSA which participants possibly raise their living standard.

Thank you, Sir.

acceptable under to Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah (Kelantan Hilir): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mula2-nya ta' terima kaseh, berchadang hendak berchakap, tetapi oleh kerana tudohan2, fitnah 2 yang di-buat, di-lemparkan kapada saya, maka bangun menjawab-nya.
terpaksa-lah saya ' Tuan Yang di-Pertua, wakil dari pada Hilir Perak meminta supaya Kerajaan PAS dan orang PAS orang Kelantan seluroh-nya terima kaseh di-atas ranchangan wang sa-banyak $220,000 /-.

Jadi kata-nya Kerajaan Pusat telah memberi pinjaman wang kapada Majlis ,Bandaran Kota Bahru ini untok mengadakan market yang besar dan moden.

Di-sini suka-lah saya hendak bertanya kapada Yang Ber hormat tadi ada-kah dia tahu bahawa Majlis Bandaran Kota Bahru itu di dalam keadaan kewangan-nya meleset?
Kalau kedudokan kewangan-nya me leset dan tidak baik, bagaimana-kah Kerajaan Pusat telah memberi pinja man wang kapada Majlis Bandaran tersebut?

Dan siapa-kah yang menja minkan hutang ini?

Untok pengeta- tadi, huan wakil Yang Berhormat suka-lah saya hendak khabar-Kera jaan Negeri Kelantan-lah yang men jamin wang hutang ini, kalau sa-kira nya Majlis Bandaran Kota Bahru tidak berdaya akan membayar wang ini-Kerajaan Negeri Kelantan akan membayar wang ini.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tetapi wakil Yang Berhormat tadi suka selalu di-dalam Rumah ini menunjokkail dia itu sa-bagai sa-orang hulubalang besar, untok mempertahankan kedudokan parti-nya yang sa-betul-nya dia itu orang baharu di-dalam parti-nya, jadi mesti-lah dia tunjok bokti2 yang· dia itu orang yang besar dan jujor di dalam perjuangan-nya, tetapi sejarah perjuangan-nya dapat menunjokkan bahawa siapa-kah dia itu.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tentang per kara irrigation dan lain2 lagi yang dia telah sentoh tadi, juga perkara harga padi yang telah di-bangkit2 oleh Parti Islam sa-Tanah Melayu di-dalam kempen baharu2 ini di-Krian Laut, saya suka hendak bertanya kapada Yang Berhormat wakil terse but ada kah dia tahu berapa belas ringgit-kah harga padi yang telah di-tetapkart oleh Kerajaan Perikatan sendiri?

Tetapi 6693 ·21 MARCH 1966 6694 ringgit pula yang orang beberapa tengah membayar kapada pak2 tani kita?
Kerajaan Perikatan telah mene tapkan harga padi $16/- tetapi harga yang di-bayar oleh pengkilang2 di-sana kapada pak2 tani orang Melayu kita ini chuma $14/-, ada yang $13.50 juga $14.50, pun ada, dan ada kerana di-potong bermacham2 poto ngan ka-atas mereka itu.

Kita telah menchapai di-dalam kemerdekaan tahun ka-sembilan, dan pak2 tani kita menjadi tulang belakang bagi pendu dok negeri ini dan mereka itu-lah satu gulongan yang tertindas yang miskin di-dalam tanah ayer kita ini.
Tetapi di-dalam sembilan tahun kita men chapai kemerdekaan apa-kah Parti Perikatan buat untok membela orang yang menanam padi untok bagi kita makan untok mengisikan perut kita.

Hingga sampai sekarang mereka itu di-tindas dan di-tipu.
$16/- di-jamin oleh Kerajaan kapada mereka itu bagi tiap2 satu pikul, tetapi pengkilang2- nya di-sana membayar $14.50 ada yang membayar $14/-, kerana apa Kerajaan tidak mengambil tindakan, kenapa polis2 tidak tangkap orang2 telah melanggar Undang2 ini yang Kerajaan ia-itu ketetapan Kerajaan bahawasa-nya harga padi $16/-.

Di-sini saya suka juga panjangkan sadikit untok penerangan harga padi ini konon tiap2 tahun mesti di-tetapkan.
Walhal ketika awal bulan puasa padi mula masok di-Kedah sana dan di Perlis, mala orang2 di-sana, pak2 tani di-sana yang membawakan padi mere ka itu untok di-jual kerana bulan puasa, mereka itu berhajat wang ring git untok membuat kain baju mereka, untok membeli pakaian, buat pakaian untok hari raya.

Di-sana tiba pula di awal bulan Januari mereka itu ber hajat sangat kapada wang ringgit untok membeli buku2 sekolah anak2 mereka.
Tetapi apabila padi telah masak, mereka itu telah potong padi ini dan bawa kapada kilang2 Kerajaan sendiri di-Alar Star, di-Anak Bukit di-sana.

Apa jawab mereka itu telah terima daripada Manager kilang itu, bahawa sa-nya karni boleh terima padi tetapi bayaran-nya kami ta' dapat terima, ta' dapat bayar kerana kami tidak ada wang.
Tetapi di-pintu2 kilang itu orang kapitalis memang-lah orang MCA bilang kapada orang pak2 tani "ayah jual-lah padi dengan kami sekarang ini, karni bayar", dan di-tunjokkan not2 merah, kami terus bayar sekarang ini 'on the spot'.

Jadi orang Melayu pak2 tani kita yang berhajat wang ringgit untok mem beli pakaian hari raya, untok perbelan jaan bulan puasa, untok membeli buku2 anak2 mereka itu.
Apabila mereka itu ta' dapat bayaran daripada kilang2 Kerajaan terpaksa mereka itu menjual kan padi mereka itu walhal dengan harga murah kapada penghisap darah.

Kemudian pertalian antara Kerajaan Kedah dan Kerajaan Perlis hingga sarnpai Yang Berhorrnat, Yang Amat Berhorrnat Dato' Menteri Sheikh Ahmad sendiri telah mengarnbil baha gian dalam perkara ini.
Berhubong dengan Kerajaan Pusat supaya menetapkan harga padi dengan sa-berapa chepat, akhir-nya sa-telah 80% daripada padi2 terpaksa di-jual oleh pak2 tani ini yang telah dapat mengenyangkan perut kapitalis MCA, orang yang sa-kawan, sa-jawat dengan Perikatan baharu-lah Kerajaan mene tapkan harga padi $16 / -.

Tiba2 state ment yang di-keluarkan daripada Ke menterian Pertanian berkata ada-lah harga padi yang $16 / - itu untok padi malinja dan padi mahsuri, kata-nya.
Dato' Ahmad (Yang Amat Berhormat Menteri Besar Perlis) membuat satu kenyataan kata-nya, "apa-kah untong nya di-tetapkan harga padi $16/- itu kapada padi malinja dan pada mahsuri walhal orang di-Perlis ta' menanam padi malinja dan padi mahsuri."

Ini Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ini penya kit dan tipu daya ini tidak dapat di-tu tup mata dengan senang.

Ra'ayat di sana memang dapat mengalami pen deritaan dan kemiskinan kerana tin dasan daripada orang2 tengah dan penghisap darah.
Hingga sampai se karang Kerajaan tidak mengambil satu tindakan ka-atas mereka itu.

Walhal, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, harga2 barang lain semua naik, harga minyak naik, harga kain baju naik, harga sabun naik, harga segala2-nya naik.

Tetapi harga padi tidak naik.

Yang di-tetap kan $16/- dapat di-tipu lagi.

- - - - - - 6695 21 MARCH 1966 6696 Mr Speaker: Saya ta' suka perkataan "tipu" itu.

Ta' boleh chari perkataan lain?


Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Saya ta' nampak perkataan lain yang boleh memberi ............. .. Mr Speaker: Kalau ta' boleh, jangan di-gunakan perkataan "tipu" itu.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: kechoh, Tuan Yang di-Pertua?

Saya fikir "kechoh" itu ada-lah lembut sa dikit, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

Mr Speaker: Saya ta' ada na' pandaP untok na' kechoh2-kah tipu-kah, chu ma saya menjalankan kewajipan jangan gunakan perkataan yang sa-macham itu di-sini.
Kita mesti simpan sadikit sopan dan tertib Majlis Meshuarat, itu sahaja.

tipu Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kerana saya terpaksa berchakap tipu dan saya fikir bukan ini-lah kali pertama-nya perka taan itu di-gunakan di-dalam rumah yang mulia ini, saya fikir per kataan tipu ini telah berulang2 kali di-gunakan di-dalam rumah ini dan belum lagi mendapat tegoran daripada Tuan Yang di-Pertua sendiri.

Jadi sebab itu-lah saya menggunakan per kataan itu kerana ada precedent-nya.
ini, tolong-lah Mr Speaker: Precedent ta' precedent, itu saya ta' ambil hati.

Tetapi saya kata daripada ka-hadapan ini, dari pada hari ta' usah gunakan perkataan kasar macham itu.

Nanti boleh berbangkit daripada pehak yang Perikatan bagitu bagini, jadi pergadohan.

Berapa kali Yang Ber hormat sudah berchakap memulakan pergadohan, pertengkaran dalam Ru mah yang mulia ini.

ltu sahaja saya minta, kalau boleh.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Saya akan gunakan chuma perkataan "putar belit" (Ketawa.)
Mr Speaker: Kalau gunakan perka salah-nya?

"bijaksana" apa taan (Ketawa.)

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Boleh saya sambong sa-mula?

Terima kaseh.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berasa sedeh di-atas kekasaran perka taan yang saya telah gunakan tadi, kalau bagitu sa-lepas dari ini saya chuma akan menggunakan perkataan2 yang boleh di-anggap sa-bagai tidak kasar.

J adi putar belit ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berjalan terus daripada ta hun 1957 ka-1958, ka-1959 sa-terus-nya hingga sampai sekarang.
Dan alham dulillah kita terima kaseh kapada Kerajaan Perikatan yang telah men dirikan satu Jabatan yang baharu di-namakan FAMA untok mengatasi masaalah pasaran.

Tetapi sa-bagaimana yang saya bacha satu kenyataan yang telah di-buat oleh Pengerusi FAMA sendiri sa-telah dia melawat Krian Laut berkata bahawa-sa-nya sudah banyak harga padi2 yang telah di tetapkan oleh Kerajaan.
Jadi saya chuma di-sini minta perhatian kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri Pertanian dan juga kapada Menteri Perdagangan supaya dapat kerjasama.

Tetapi saya berasa tidak puas hati terhadap pen dirian yang di-jalankan oleh Kemen terian Perdagangan ini.
Kerana banyak telah dengar di-dalam kali-lah kita Rumah dan juga di-luar, bahkan sa orang daripada ahli Kerajaan Perikatan sendiri mengatakan bahawasa-nya polisi2 yang telah di-jalankan oleh Kementerian Perdagangan itu sa-bagai step tukang tikam di-belakang bumi putera.

Jadi sebab itu saya harap kapada Menteri Yang Berhormat Men teri Pertanian jangan-lah dia melepas kan perkara ini kapada Menteri Per dagangan ini kerana kita tahn statement yang bahawasa-nya Jabatan M.I.

D.F.L.
D.F.L.

(Malayan Industrial Development Fund Loan) telah bagi $400,000 kapada satu waving mill, waving factory di Bukit Mertajam untok membuat kain 2 batek yang akan mengeluarkan sa banyak satu juta ela tiap2 tahun.

Maka ini dengan terdiri-nya dan bantuan Jabatan memberi wang daripada pinjaman kapada kilang yang akan mengeluarkan kain batek ini, maka mati-lah perdagangan dan perusahaan kain batek di-Kelantan di-sana.
Wal hal, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berpuloh2 ribu orang Melayu di-Kelantan itu dapat menchari kehidupan mereka itu daripada perusahaan kain batek.

Ya, Kerajaan sudah tolong, maka sebab itu-lah Kerajaan membenar di-dirikan 6697 21 MARCH 1966 6698 dua kilang batek bukan satu, satu di-Kelang pula lagi.
Ini Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya akan terpaksa menerangkan sadikit perusa haan kain batek yang di-jalankan di-Kelantan itu bukan dengan machi nery, bukan-lah di-atas jalan mass production, di-sana chuma di-chonteng dengan tangan dan semua di-jalankan dengan tangan belaka.
Tetapi kilang2 yang akan mengeluarkan kain batek ini dan akan mengeluarkan kain batek mengikut machinery, dengan jentera, dan dengan jalan mass production keluaran yang banyak, maka dapat cost of production yang akan jatoh terhadap kilang2 itu lebeh lagi murah daripada cost of production yang terpaksa orang2 Kelantan membayar dan membelanjakan.

Maka ini dengan sendiri membunoh perusahaan kain batek yang sedang di-jalankan oleh orang Melayu sudah berpuloh2 tahun lama-nya di-Kelantan.
Ini-lah saya kata kan tikaman baharu pula di-belakang bumiputera yang sedang di-jalankan oleh Kementerian Perdagangan.
Ada pun perkataan yang di-keluarkan oleh wakil Yang Berhormat tadi perkataan orang Kelantan mesti berterima kaseh kapada Kerajaan Pusat yang memberi wang bagitu banyak baharu2 ini, Yang Amat Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri ketika melawat ka sana, saya suka hendak mengingatkan wakil yang tersebut wang yang di belanjakan yang di-beri oleh Yang Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri itu bukan-lah wang daripada poket nya.
lni wang datang daripada chukai2 yang sakalian bumiputera membayar nya, terkandong-lah pula di-dalam nya ra'ayat Kelantan yang lebeh dari pada sa-tengah juta yang mernbayar sakalian rupa macham chukai kapada Kerajaan Pusat.

Dan mereka ini berhak mendapat balek wang itu dengan jalan apa juga, pinjamkan-kah atau dengan jalan pemberian dan lain2 lagi.

Bukan lah datang daripada poket Yang Ber hormat Tun Abdul Razak kita.

Mr Speaker: PersidaRgan ini di tempohkan hingga pukul 4 petang.
Sitting suspended at 1.00 p.m.

Sitting resumed at 4.00 p.m. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) MOTIONS THE DEVELOPMENT SUPPLEMENTARY (NO.

3) ESTIMATES, 1965 Debate resumed.

Tuan Haji Mokhtar bin Haji Ismail (Perlis Selatan): Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun mengalu2kan usul yang telah di-kemukakan oleh Menteri Ke wangan pada pagi tadi dan di-samping itu, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya suka lah menyentoh berkenaan dengan per khidmatan Kementerian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama.
Dato' Yang di-Pertua sa-bagaimana yang saya telah berkali2 menegaskan di-dalarn Dewan ini, bahawa Negeri Perlis ada-lah sa-buah negeri pertanian dan di-dalam kawasan saya ada lebeh kurang 75,000 pendudok2 yang mati hidup ada-lah bergantong kapada pertanian, ia-itu hasil padi.

Oleh kerana itu saya memikirkan, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, ada-lah mus tahak bagi saya menyatakan hasrat ra'ayat di-dalam kawasan saya, apa yang telah berlaku dalam masa me nuai padi tahun 1965 ini.
rnereka Dato' Yang di-Pertua, sa-bagaimana yang kita sama2 telah dengar dalam Dewan ini berkenaan dengan kemero sotan harga padi dan kelewatan Kera jaan mengishtiharkan harga padi yang mana terlibat berpuloh2 ribu ringgit wang kepunyaan pak2 tani, oleh kerana kelewatan Kerajaan rnengemukakan berkenaan dengan harga padi dan dalam hal ini, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, ia-itu oleh kerana kelewatan perishti haran harga padi pada tahun ini, maka banyak-lah pak2 tani yang telah men jual padi2 mereka dengan harga yang lebeh murah daripada yang di-tetap kan oleh Kerajaan dan pada masa hampir Hari Raya yang lalu, ada padi2 yang tani telah di-jual oleh pak2 dengan harga sa-banyak $10/-, $11/ sa-pikul, sa-habis tinggi-nya $13 / • sa pikul.
Jadi oleh kerana itu saya merayu kapada Menteri yang berkenaa_n, ba gaiAJana chara supaya wang2 yang di~q~yar harga .

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dengan bagi_tu murah kapada pak2 tam, supaya hatga~ dapat di-tampong balek sa-mula.

Ket:a-: na apa saya K:atakan bagitu, kerana: 6699 21 MARCH 1966 6700 di-dalam Negeri Perlis chara pemasaran padi ada-lah berlainan daripada negeri2 lain.
Di-dalam Negeri Perlis chara pemasaran padi ini ada-lah di-usahakan oleh Bank Persatuan Sharikat2 Ker- jasama, tetapi chara perlaksanaan-nya ada-lah di-kehendaki bagi Kementerian ini menyelidek dan menyiasat supaya jangan pak2 tani itu teraniaya.
Sebab apa saya kata bagitu, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, system yang di- kerana mengikut jalankan sekarang ini dan perlaksanaan yang di-jalankan oleh Bank Persatuan Sharikat2 Kerjasama Negeri Perlis se karang ini, saya fikir ranchangan itu sa-mula mustahak-lah di-kaji balek dengan sa-halus2-nya dan sa-masak2- nya, kerana ini ada-lah satu ranchangan jangka panjang.
Jika sa-kira-nya ran changan yang sa-macham tidak di-kaji dengan sa-halus2-nya dan tidak di-kaji dengan sa-masak2-nya, maka banyak ra'ayat2 akan merungut bahawa chara2 itu tidak akan memberi keun- tongan yang besar kapada mereka, merupakan untong sa-karong rugi sa- guni kapada petani2.
ini Sebab apa, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, yang saya terangkan bagitu, kerana system pema saya dapati bahawa saran yang di-jalankan oleh Bank Persatuan Sharikat Kerjasama Negeri Perlis sekarang ini dan chara per laksanaan-nya harus-lah di-kaji balek saya dapati sa-mula, umpama-nya daripada resit2 pasaran padi yang di- berikan kapada sab2 ejen ia-itu wakil2 daripada Bank Sharikat Kerjasama, kerana wakil2 daripada Bank Sharikat Kerjasama itu bukan-lah kebanyakan- nya daripada sharikat2 kerjasama dan pada hari ini banyak yang menjadikan wakil2, atau ejen2 bagi Bank Pema saran Padi Negeri Perlis itu ada-lah di-sahkan di-atas nama persaorangan.
Jadi, kalau kita hendak memperbaiki lagi keadaan2 itu, maka mustahak-lah bagi Kementerian ini supaya memberi nafas baharu kapada sharikat2 kam- pong kerjasama di-Negeri Perlis ini.

Jadi, dengan chara kita susun dengan kemas-nya sharikat2 kampong di-dalam Negeri Perlis ini, maka itu-lah akan memberi keuntongan yang lebeh besar lagi kapada petani2, tetapi kalau hanya dengan chara yang di-jalankan dapati, sekarang ini, maka saya sangat-lah banyak potongan2 yang di- kenakan ka-atas pak2 tani.
jenis Umpama-nya saperti potongan berat guni, potongan basah, potongan lain2, kemudian bagitu juga potongan upah angkat, potongan tambang, potongan commission sharikat, kemudian poto ngan lagi yang di-namakan potongan commission bank.

Jadi, kalau banyak potongan2 yang sa-macham ini maka banyak-lah pak2 itu merungut, tani kerana apa mereka kata, mereka bawa padi yang sa-demikian juga— padi itu di-jual di-Negeri Kedah, pada itu chara system hal Negeri Kedah pemasaran belum lagi di-jalankan.
Mereka berkata dengan chara mereka itu bawa padi pergi ka-Negeri Kedah, padi itu juga, tetapi mereka itu dapat harga yang lebeh tinggi lagi daripada chara yang di-jalankan oleh Bank Persatuan Sharikat Kerjasama Negeri Perlis.

Jadi, dengan hal yang demikian, chita2 Kementerian hendak menjalan- kan dasar sharikat kerjasama di-dalam Malaysia ini, terutama-nya di-kawasan2 yang ada banyak mempunyai padi, harus-lah ta' mendapat sokongan yang kuat dari pada petani2.
ta' menggalakkan, atau ini Dan tudohan2 yang ta' baik harus- lah di-limparkan kapada perjalanan Sharikat Kerjasama Kilang negeri kita ini, wal hal tujuan kita, dan chita2 kita hendak menjalankan dasar2 pe masaran yang ada di-dalam negeri kita pada hari ia-lah chara sharikat kerjasama.
Jadi, dengan hal yang ter- sebut, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, satu lagi yang ejen2 daripada sab2 ejen dari pada sharikat kerjasama tadi, mereka itu merungut bahawa mereka telah di-berikan di-atas nama sab ejen, tetapi Bank Pemasaran Padi dalam Negeri Perlis tidak menyediakan guni2, jadi oleh kerana itu mereka terpaksa pula pergi mengambil guni daripada kilang2 yang besar.
Jadi, kesudahan-nya yang menyenangkan, yang menguntongkan, bukan-lah sub2 ejen tadi, tetapi yang lebeh menguntongkan ia-lah kilang2 besar yang mempunyai lesen menyimpan padi.

lagi Jadi, dengan hal yang demikian, ini- lah saya mendatangkan satu rayuan kapada Kementerian yang berkenaan, 6701 21 MARCH 1966 6702 dan bagitu juga kapada F.A.M.A.
dan lain2 lagi, supaya perkara ini di-kaji dengan sa-masak2-nya dan dengan sa- halus2-nya supaya lagi datang salah faham, ia-itu di-antara ra'ayat dengan sharikat kerjasama.

tidak lawatan memberi Dan yang kedua, Dato' Yang di- Pertua, saya suka-lah juga hendak mendatangkan satu pandangan ber- kenaan dengan sharikat nelayan, ia-itu dalam kawasan saya juga.
Saya berasa amat-lah dukachita bahawa dalam masa lawatan Yang Berhormat Men teri Pertanian dalam kawasan saya Negeri Pedis baharu2 ini saya langsong tahu bahawa Yang Berhormat ta' Menteri itu akan datang melawat ka- dalam kawasan saya.
Jadi, saya me- minta-lah, oleh kerana Yang Ber hormat Political ada mempunyai Secretary tentu-lah dapat menulis sa- baris dua umpama-nya sa-belum mem- tahu kapada buat Ahli2 Parlimen dalam kawasan itu supaya dapat-lah sama saya menyuara- kan atau membentangkan fikiran ber- kenaan dengan keadaan2 yang ada dalam kawasan itu; dan yang men- jadi kesulitan bahawa dalam kawasan Perlis Selatan ada mempunyai' dua pertubohan Sharikat Nelayan, satu di- Kuala Sanglang, dan satu lagi di- Kuala Perlis, dan yang menjadi ber- tambah rumit berkenaan dengan ke- rumitan2 yang telah tertimpa ka-atas Sharikat Nelayan Kuala Perlis, dan sekarang telah timbul pula, satu masa- alah baharu ia-itu Yang Amat Ber hormat Dato' Menteri Besar, Perlis, hendak memansokhkan Sharikat Ne di-Kuala Perlis layan sekarang ini, dan menubohkan satu Sharikat Nelayan yang baharu.
yang ada Jadi, kalau sa-macham ini keadaan- nya, maka bertambah-lah berpechah- belah ahli2 nelayan ini.

Jadi saya ber- harap-lah dengan jasa baik Yang Berhormat Menteri Pertanian dapat memberi nasihat supaya Sharikat Nela itu yan yang telah pun di-tubohkan dapat kita perbaiki daripada satu masa ka-satu masa supaya tidak-lah menjadi soalan perselisehan di-antara sa-orang dengan sa-orang.
Jadi, dengan chara ini jalan yang dapat-lah kita menchari lebeh sesuai lagi supaya perjalanan Sharikat Nelayan di-Negeri Perlis itu akan mendapat lebeh untong daripada apa yang ada pada hari ini.

tubohkan Dan apa yang saya telah ketahui' bahawa pada 23 haribulan ini, ia-itu dua hari lagi ia-itu satu surat telah di-edarkan kapada orang2 Kuala Perlis mengatakan hendak satu Sharikat Nelayan yang lain, dan hen dak memansokhkan sharikat yang lama itu.
Jadi, saya telah di-beri tahu oleh sharikat nelayan itu supaya meminta- lah dengan jasa baik Yang Berhormat Menteri supaya sharikat yang telah lama tertuboh itu dapat kita betulkan, dapat kita mensesuaikan supaya shari kat itu dapat berjalan dengan baik-nya.

saya merayu-lah Jadi, sa-takat itu-lah, Dato' Yang di- Pertua, pandangan saya di-dalam masa- alah pemasaran padi dan masaalah per- juga ikanan, dan kapada Pengerusi F.A.M.A.
supaya betul2 menjalankan perkara ini, jangan hanya kita menghantar pergi ka-Perlis itu dudok sa-jam, dua jam, kemudian balek, saya kata tidak menchukupi, sa- kurang2-nya dia mesti dudok di-sana satu bulan untok menyiasat bagaimana keadaan2 dan kerumitan2, kesusahan yang telah tertimpa kapada pak2 tani yang ada di-dalam Negeri Perlis, tetapi kalau pergi sa-takat dua tiga jam, ke mudian balek ka-Kuala Lumpur, maka masaalah ini ta' dapat kita pechahkan, dan ta' dapat kita menchari satu jalan keluar.
Jadi, saya berharap-lah dengan kerjasama daripada Menteri Pertanian dan bagitu juga daripada Menteri Per- niagaan dan Perusahaan supaya tiga2 badan ini dapat kita satukan dan dapat kita chari satu jalan yang memechahkan masaalah yang menjadi kerumitan ka pada pak2 tani yang ada di-dalam negara kita pada hari ini, kerana nega- ra kita telah menyuarakan ia-itu kita berdasarkan kapada pertanian dan bagi di-Pertua, pak banyak-lah saya mendapat rungutan bahawa sharikat ini ambil sa-kupang kata dia—apa hendak rugi sa-kupang sahaja, tetapi bagi pak tani dia men- jawab kami hendak mendapat sa- kupang sa-tahun kami bekerja, yang dapat 10 sen sahaja sa-gantang padi sa-tahun bekerja, berjemor berembun, habis merana dengan diri dia, anak dia dan isteri dia.
tani, Dato' Yang 6703 21 MARCH 1966 6704 Jadi, perkara yang berkenaan jangan-lah kita ini, memandang satu perkara yang kechil dan mari-lah sama2 daripada pehak Kementerian tadi supaya kita menchari satu jalan keluar mudah2an dapat-lah chita2 kita hendak menjadikan negara ini, negara kita ini, berdasarkan perjalanan-nya di-atas sha- rikat kerjasama.

Sekian-lah sahaja, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, terima kaseh.
Saya tahun 1965—1966 Dr Mahathir bin Mohamad (Kota Setar Selatan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun untok menyokong usul yang di-bawa oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Kewangan untok tambahan tahun 1965.

Saya perbelanjaan bagi ingin di-bawah sadikit berchakap Head 121 ia-itu di-bawah Ministry of Commerce and Industry.
Di-sini telah ada peruntokan sa-banyak $250,000 untok belanja tambahan bagi Kemen ini, dan saya perchaya wang terian yang sa-banyak ini akan di-belanja- kan oleh pegawai2 di-dalam Kemente rian ini.

Apa yang saya khuatirkan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ia-lah pada fiki- ran saya ada pegawai2 di-dalam Ke menterian ini yang kadang2, pada pera- saan saya, tidak bertanggong-jawab.

ingin membawa perhatian Rumah yang berbahagia ini berkenaan tentang harga padi dengan kejadian pada ini.
Saperti mana semua Ahli2 Yang Berhormat tentu tahu, pada akhir tahun Yang Ter- amat Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri telah mengishtiharkan ia-itu harga padi ia-itu harga ia-lah $16/- satu pikul yang biasa bagi masa2 yang lepas tetapi malang-nya harga tidak ini menjadikan harga yang lebeh daripada masa2 yang lepas dan saya fikir patut harga ini di-lebehkan pada masa seka- rang ini oleh kerana semua barang2 dan chukai telah naik harga yang ini pun pada esok-nya telah di-keluarkan daripada sa-orang pegawai di-dalam Kementerian Commerce and Industry yang mengatakan bahawa harga $16.00 ini bukan-lah kapada semua padi tetapi chuma padi malinja dan padi mahsuri sahaja.
Dengan ada-nya pengishtiharan ini, maka petani2 di- yang macham sa-belah Kedah, Perlis dan saya percha ya juga sa-belah Kelantan yang tidak menanam padi jenis malinja dan mah suri, telah terpaksa menjualkan padi- nya pada tahun ini dengan harga yang kurang $2.00 daripada harga yang biasa sa-lama 15 tahun yang lepas.
Kalau kita kaji harga $2.00 yang di-kurangkan itu ia-lah satu perkara yang besar bagi petani2, apabila padi di-jualkan dengan harga $14.00 sa-pikul apabila di-tolak belanja untok menanam padi, memo- tong padi dan sa-bagai-nya, keuntongan yang di-dapati oleh petani2 daripada satu pikul padi chuma sa-banyak $6.00 sahaja itu kalau di-jual dengan harga $16.00.

Jadi kalau di-kurangkan pula, dengan harga $2.00 ini berma'ana pe tani2 rugi pada tiap2 sa-pikul sa-banyak $2.00 atau 33J peratus.
Kita semua telah dengar di-dalam Dewan ini dan di-luar Dewan ini di- dalam surat2 khabar berkenaan dengan Turnover Tax yang sa-banyak \ persen —ada-nya Turnover Tax \ persen telah menjadi satu perkara yang heboh yang mana semua pemodal2 telah berteriak ia-itu ini ia-lah satu perkara yang tidak patut di-tanggong oleh pemodal2 tetapi ini kalau di-tafsirkan ia-lah sama juga dengan Turnover Tax sa-banyak 1 3| persen yang di-kenakan di-atas petani2 atau pun 6,000 persen lebeh daripada Turnover Tax.
Tetapi malang-nya nam- pak perkara yang sa-macham ini tidak semua menjadi orang.
keberatan kapada Sa-lepas daripada itu apabila telah di-desak oleh beberapa pehak, maka di-dapati pegawai ini telah membuat satu pengumuman atau pengishtiharan yang silap ia-itu yang di-katakan $14.00 itu chuma pada orang yang menanam padi dua kali sa-tahun ia-itu padi Tai wan sahaja dan bukan padi malinja dan mahsuri ia-itu pada crop yang kedua, tetapi malang-nya di-antara pengishti haran yang pertama dan yang kedua, banyak petani2 di-sabelah Kedah dan di- Perlis telah menjual padi dengan harga yang di-tetapkan oleh pegawai ini.
Jadi saya fikir kalau kita mustahak membuat perbelanjaan dan perbelanjaan ini di- gunakan oleh pegawai2, maka patut-lah kita ada pegawai yang bertanggong- jawab dengan kerana kesalahan pegawai ini bukan sahaja beratus ribu ringgit telah rugi kapada petani2 di-sabelah Kedah dan Perlis tetapi Kerajaan Per- ikatan juga telah di-kecham oleh Parti2 dengan mengatakan Pembangkang bahawa Kerajaan Perikatan tidak me- nanggong berat atas kesusahan petani2, 6705 21 MARCH 1966 6706 saya perchaya tetapi sa-balek-nya Kerajaan Perikatan menanggong berat tentang kesusahan petani2 tetapi yang silap ia-lah pegawai yang membuat pengishtiharan yang tidak ada asas semua sa-kali.
Saya berharap-lah supaya Kemente- rian ini akan mengambil tindakan yang keras atas pegawai yang telah membuat pengishtiharan mendatangkan kerugian yang teramat sangat kapada petani2 yang memang selalu-nya men jadi kaum yang termiskin sa-kali di-dalam negara kita ini, terima kaseh.

Enche' Abdul Karim bin Abu (Melaka Selatan): Dato' Yang di-Pertua saya suka hendak mengambil baha- gian berchakap di-dalam tambahan perbelanjaan berhubong d e n g a n Kementerian Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar.
Dato' Yang di- Pertua, saya mengemukakan rayuan daripada pendudok kawasan saya— Ranchangan Tanah Menggong dan Kemendor—berhubong dengan hasil yang telah di-dapati daripada ran changan menanam getah, daripada pendapatan peserta2 ranchangan tanah di-situ.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak- lah hendak menghuraikan satu2 tetapi ada di-terima surat daripada peserta dan di-hantar kapada saya merayu kapada Kementerian yang berkenaan di-atas potongan wang yang di-dapati daripada menoreh getah oleh peserta2 itu, umpama-nya pendapatan sa-bulan daripada sa-orang peserta $140.00 dia menoreh getah di-atas getah-nya, pokok getah-nya 8 ekar-lah katakan, tetapi Kerajaan memotong $30.00 kalau $250.00 Kerajaan memotong $100.00.
tanah ini saya di-Pertua, Tuan Yang pehak peserta2 ibaratkan umpama orang baharu bangkit dari pada sakit demam kura.

Jadi dia sentiasa kesusahan dan bermacham2 lagi baharu hendak dapat faedah dari pada hasil-nya, tetapi Kerajaan telah memotong bagitu banyak potongan.

Rayuan ini bukan-lah peserta itu tidak ta'at, tetapi permintaan-nya supaya biar-lah dapat di-timbangkan oleh Kementerian yang berkenaan.

Potong- lah sa-banyak 20 peratus.


Umpama- nya, kalau dia dapat $140.00 sa-bulan kena-lah dia $28.00 kalau dia dapat sa-bulan kena-lah bayar $250.00 $50.00.

Ini-lah hasil permintaan dari pada pendudok2 kawasan yang saya sebut tadi, dan nampak-nya surat ini telah pun di-kemukakan kapada Menteri yang berkenaan.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berhubong dengan ranchangan tanah ini, banyak kerumitan lagi yang telah di-timpa oleh peserta2 ranchangan itu, dan ini juga menjadi satu kesempatan kapada parti2 Pembangkang, apa yang dia kata dahulu kata-nya betul-lah seka- rang.

Jadi sa-olah2 Kerajaan memaksa peserta2 itu kemudian di-potong, hutang terlampau banyak.

Jadi, ini-lah rayuan daripada saya supaya dapat pertimbangan atas permintaan yang di-datangkan oleh peserta2 itu.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-lain dari pada itu, Kementerian Perdagangan.

Saya hanya merayu kapada Menteri Perdagangan kalau-lah tadi rakan saya ada berchakap berhubong dengan padi, tetapi sekarang saya berchakap berkenaan dengan beras.

Di-Melaka berbeza-lah dengan Perlis.

Kami Persatuan Kilang Padi Bekerjasama Negeri Melaka mengilang padi di- jadikan beras.

Rayuan ini saya hadap- kan. Kami maseh ada lagi padi lama lebeh kurang 500 tan—beras lama— yang patut di-kisar padi lama bagi tahun 1965.
Tetapi baharu ini saya dapat surat daripada Kementerian mengatakan padi lama itu sudah habis tidak dapat di- tempoh beras-nya hantar telah berjumpa lagi.

Saya dengan pegawai yang berkenaan, saya menguchapkan sa-tinggi2 terima kaseh kapada pegawai itu dia telah membuat pertimbangan, jawab-nya belum dapat saya terima.

Rayuan saya, beras yang kami akan kilang ini tidak ada tempat lain yang hendak di-jual.
Kalau-lah Kerajaan tidak mahu menerima, tentu- lah Persatuan Kilang Padi Negeri Melaka yang dari sa-tahun ka-satahun bertambah rugi akan berlipatganda telah lagi mengulang berchakap dalam meshua- rat yang lalu, Kerajaan telah menaik- kan harga padi, tetapi tidak hendak menaikkan harga beras.

Ini saya tidak-lah hendak menyalahkan pada siapa2, tetapi saya berharap mendapat rugi di-sebabkan saya 6707 21 MARCH 1966 6708 pertimbangan daripada Kementerian yang berkenaan.
pertanian dengan saya Menteri Kerjasama—saya tahu dia telah bekerja kuat hendak menolong sharikat2 kerjasama ini supaya di- kasehi oleh ra'ayat, tetapi ini-lah yang Kerjasama menyusahkan Menteri minta naik, Menteri Perdagangan pula kata tidak usah.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berhubong dan kerjasama sunggoh dukachita atas uchapan salah sa-orang wakil PAS tadi mengatakan yang M.C.A.

penghisap darah.

Ini satu kata yang sangat busok yang di-keluarkan oleh sa-buah parti siasah yang menganut tudoh faham ugama.
Kalau hendak sa-saorang boleh, tetapi dia menudoh sa-buah parti siasah dalam Perikatan, Kerajaan yang memerentah negeri ini.

Ini berma'ana-lah semua orang yang di-dalam M.C.A.

kalau tidak ada kerja berhubong dengan hal padi pun dia sama terlibat pada hal bukan sahaja orang M.C.A.

yang membuat kerja ini, saya perchaya tidak ada, tetapi ada pula orang Melayu, boleh jadi orang PAS saperti di-Kelantan.
Ini-lah saya berharap perkataan yang sa-rupa ini selalu, kerana sangat merbahaya, selalu sangat kalau-lah dalam kempen dia berkata bagitu dan bagini, kemudian sekarang dia berlagak dalam Dewan ini juga dia berkata yang bukan2.

Ini saya minta-lah supaya dapat orang2 PAS sa-belum ini berfikir berchakap.

jangan-lah di-keluarkan lebeh dahulu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya ambil chatitan dia telah berkata tadi harga padi dapat orang2 tani membeli sa- hingga $14.50 sa-pikul.
Saya rasa ini sudah chukup tinggi daripada nilaian yang di-tetapkan oleh Kerajaan sa- banyak $16.00.

Barangkali wakil yang langsong tidak berchakap berhubong dengan pemasaran padi, belian padi, padi punya susut macham mana.

Ada tadi kata kalau boleh, guni pun hendak di-beri oleh Bank Kerjasama—ini tidak tahu- semua lah—chara sudah hendak saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

Terima kaseh.
Terima kaseh.

berniaga kalau feri—ta'erti-lah rakan saya tahu itu Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad (Muar Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun menyokong Anggaran Tam- bahan yang di-kemukakan oleh Yang Berhormat Setia-usaha Parlimen Ke menterian Kewangan bagi di-luluskan.

Di-samping itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya akan menyentoh beberapa Ke pehak menterian Kementerian yang berkenaan.

Saya berchakap atas Head 121 Kementerian Perdagangan dan Perusahaan, dalam Kepala 1—Menanam Getah Sa-mula, Bayaran Sekim No.
2 ada minta lebeh kurang $7 juta.

pandangan bagi ini sebab ya'ani terjadi ranchangan lalu pekebun kechil Saya membangkitkan masaalah ini oleh satu perubahan baharu di-bawah Lembaga Menanam Getah Sa-mula bagi pekebun2 kechil yang telah di-beritahu oleh pegawai2 menanam getah sa-mula kapada peke bun2 dengan mengatakan kechil ranchangan tahun bahawa pada new tambahan planting kapada pekebun2 kechil itu di-berhentikan.
Kira-nya betul perkara ini atas kehendak Lembaga Menanam ini menjadikan satu kesulitan Getah dan menjadikan satu sungutan, khas- nya, kapada pekebun2 kechil orang Melayu yang mereka menyangka kira- nya di-berhentikan bantuan ini sa-olah2 menyekat perkembangan hendak me- taraf hidup mereka.
Pada ninggikan masa yang ini, kalau mereka ada mempunyai kebun getah tua sa-luas 4 ekar, mereka ber- hak mendapat bantuan pada kebun baharu sa-luas 4 ekar yang di-nama- kan new planting, tetapi pada masa sekarang bantuan telah di-ber hentikan menurut apa yang telah di- beritahu kapada saya oleh pekebun kechil ini.

Saya sangat bersetuju kalau langkah tujuan ini di-buat dengan menchegah orang yang mewah, ber- pura2 menjadi pekebun kechil.
Mereka membeli ladang yang besar2, kemudian di-pechah2kan 5 ekar, 5 ekar.

Dari pada situ mereka pula menerima ban tuan new planting bagaimana yang saya katakan tadi.

Tetapi saya harap ini meng- kalau dapat Kementerian kaji sa-mula bahawa langkah mem- berhentikan ini supaya di-beri peluang kapada pekebun2 kechil yang mem punyai geran asal, bukan mempunyai geran daripada geran yang di-pechah2- kan daripada ladang yang besar.
ini 6709 21 MARCH 1966 6710 ini, Yang Kedua, Dato' Yang di- Pertua, saya hendak menyentoh dalam Head 126—Kementerian Pembangu- nan Negara dan Luar Bandar.

Walau pun anggaran ini di-bataskan atas Pechahan Kepala yang di-tunjokkan tetapi saya hendak dalam Bill menarek perhatian 'am kapada pen- tadbiran Kementerian ini, ia-itu dalam Bahagian Lembaga Kemajuan Tanah Persekutuan yang telah di-laksanakan dalam negeri ini lebeh daripada 60 ranchangan yang besar.
Dan kita akan menghadapi dalam Ranchangan Malaysia Yang Pertama beberapa ranchangan raksaksa bagaimana yang kita sedia ma'alum.

Saya juga dapat tahu bahawa peserta yang dalam Ranchangan Kemajuan Lembaga Tanah ini mendapat tanah di-anggar- kan 10 ekar atau 8 ekar.

6 ekar atau 8 ekar getah atau kelapa sawit dan 2 ekar lagi akan di-beri kapada mereka ranchangan dusun.
Bagi men- jimatkan wang, saya mengshorkan ka pada Kementerian ini kalau boleh di-terima shor saya yang chetek pan- dangan tidak melaksana- kan ranchangan membuat dusun yang 2 ekar itu; di-berhentikan, wang itu kita teruskan kerana pembangunan ranchangan getah dan kelapa sawit.

Saya nampak ranchangan dusun ini, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, beberapa tem pat yang sudah di-buat dalam ran changan kemajuan tanah, tidak men- datangkan hasil yang boleh tetap.
ini supaya Ranchangan dusun ini menganggu perusahaan peserta2 itu hendak meng- usahakan tanah-nya yang asal.

ini yang menjadi Yang dalam ranchangan kemajuan satu soal tanah sekarang dengan ia-itu berhubong anak peserta2 yang dalam ranchangan, bagaimana yang saya sebutkan tadi, ia-itu anak2 mereka yang hendak melanjutkan pelajaran menengah ren- dah di-sekolah2 yang jauh daripada itu di-bandar2.
Yang men- tempat jadikan kesulitan kapada anak2 itu tidak dapat kenderaan yang hendak menyampaikan kapada sekolah me nengah rendah itu.

Hal ini mendatang- kan satu kesulitan kapada Kemen juga kapada terian Pelajaran dan Kementerian Kebajikan 'Am untok membiayai anak2 kita yang beribu juga pada peserta itu.

Kadang2 kita bertimbang orang itu kerana rasa pendapatan yang di-beri oleh Kera- jaan pada masa ini $70 dan $50 pada satu keluarga.
Jadi dengan ini dapat kita memikirkan benar2 kebe- ratan yang di-tanggong oleh peserta2 itu.
Jadi dengan itu saya mengshor kan kapada Kementerian ini kalau dapat di-terima tiap2 Lembaga Kema juan Tanah dalam negeri ini supaya lori meng- menyediakan van atau anak2 itu kapada angkut sekolah sekolah2 menengah ini saya tanggong-jawab ada-lah fikir bersama kapada ibu bapa yang bakal pada masa akan datang hidup-nya akan mewah dan peruntokan belanja itu boleh-lah mengangkut anak-nya di-kira manakala kita memotong hutang2 mereka kelak.

rendah.
rendah.

Hal lembu kerbau kawasan ranchangan Akhir-nya, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya chuma hendak berchakap dalam Kementerian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama ia-itu Kepala 134—Parit dan Tali Ayer.

Saya chuma hendak menyentoh dalam perkara Parit dan Tali Ayer yang sedang di-laksanakan oleh Kerajaan atau yang telah di- laksanakan oleh Kerajaan.
Saya harap parit dan tali ayer sawah yang ada mempunyai petani2-nya di-situ men- ternak yang atau berupa banyak, hendak-lah Kemen terian ini beserta dengan ranchangan parit dan tali ayer itu membuatkan ternak satu kerbau bagi pesawah2 itu.
Sebab apa saya katakan bagitu, Dato' Yang di- Pertua, sa-kira-nya ranchangan parit dan taliayer ini di-buat, kerbau atau ternakan itu tidak dapat di-kawal maka akan musnah, binasa-lah ranchangan Kerajaan yang hebat, yang maha mulia itu di-binasakan oleh binatang2 yang tidak ada mempunyai fikiran.

Saya chontohkan, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, ia- itu di-kawasan saya nama-nya Rancha ngan Parit dan Tali Ayer di-Telok Rimba.
Saya berterima kaseh kapada ini yang Kerajaan dan Kementerian sa-banyak telah memberikan wang $500,000 dengan menggunakan pam dengan kuasa letrik dan ranchangan ini telah siap.

Tetapi malang-nya parit yang bagitu molek, yang bagitu endah telah di-joget oleh kerbau yang sa-ramai 500 ekor menyebabkan tepi parit dan 6711 21 MARCH 1966 6712 itu roboh— tali ayer roboh—habis ini juga Dato' Yang di-Pertua.

Hal telah saya kemukakan dalam Dewan ini, tetapi hingga sekarang masaalah ini maseh senyap dan sepi sahaja.
Itu- lah sahaja yang dapat saya berikan pandangan2 berhubong dengan hal ini dan saya uchapkan terima kaseh.

Dato' Abdullah bin Abdulrahman (Kuala Trengganu Selatan): Tuan Yang saya bangun menyokong di-Pertua, permintaan tambahan estimate yang ada di-hadapan kita pada hari ini.

Saya suka menyentoh Head 134—Drainage and Irrigation (Parit dan Tali Ayer).
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita semua tahu baharu2 ini akibah mala petaka banjir di-Negeri Trengganu, banyak tali2 ayer telah rosak dan saya dapat ini menyebabkan banyak ke- faham, susahan kapada penanam2 padi untok mereka menanam padi.

Sa-bagaimana kita semua ketahui', Tuan Yang di-Per tua, penanam2 padi ini mereka kais pagi makan pagi, kais petang makan petang.
Maka sangat-lah mustahak pada pendapat saya bagi pehak Kera- jaan Perikatan, Kerajaan Pusat, ber- ikhtiar sa-berapa daya dan dengan sa- chepat mungkin membaiki kerosakan2 kapada ini.

Orang2 kita, khas-nya di-luar kawasan bandar yang menjadi kaum tani, sa- ngat2 berharap kapada Kerajaan khas- nya sa-lepas daripada menghadapi aki bah sa-suatu mala petaka saperti banjir untok memulehkan sa-mula penghidu- pan mereka.
Saya dapat ketahui dan saya tahu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ba haru2 ini Yang Berhormat Menteri Per- tanian ada melawat Kuala Trengganu untok menyiasat perkara2 kerosakan kapada ranchangan2 tali ayer ini.
ranchangan2 tali ayer Saya hanya berharap Kerajaan Pusat akan berikhtiar dengan sa-berapa se- gera mendapatkan peruntokan wang yang lebeh banyak untok membaiki kerosakan2 ini dan tidak bergantong kapada Kerajaan Negeri untok men dapatkan sokongan kewangan bersama, oleh kerana, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita tahu pada masa sekarang Kerajaan Negeri sedang menghadapi kekurangan terima kewangan.

Sekian sahaja-lah kaseh.


Enche' Hanafi bin Mohamed Yunus (Kulim Utara): Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun memberi sokongan yang penoh dalam Anggaran Perbelanjaan Tambahan yang di-bawa ka-dalam Dewan ini.

Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya ingin berchakap atas Head 121 ia-itu Menteri Perniagaan dan Perusahaan.
Dato' Yang di-Pertua, apa yang saya hendak berchakap di-sini ia-itu berkenaan dengan perusahaan2 yang ada dalam negara kita ini, saya dapati tuan2 yang punya ada sa-bahagian kilang telah mengeluarkan iklan2 di- dalam khabar menerima pekerja2 dengan beberapa sharat.
surat2 Dato' Yang di-Pertua, yang berasa kesal di-hati saya ia-lah sharat2 yang di-kenakan, mithal-nya, ada satu kerja kosong saperti kerja2 fitter dan kerja2 tukang2 injin dalam kilang2 perusahaan yang telah banyak dalam negara kita ini di-kenakan sharat2 sa-lain daripada sharat2 yang memang patut.
Maka tidak-lah dapat kita menapikan sharat2 yang lain2 itu, ia-itu dengan kemahiran dia dan juga kebolehan berbahasa Inggeris, tetapi yang mendukachitakan saya ia-lah ada satu sharat, hendak- lah peminta, atau pun pemohon2 itu dapat berbahasa Cantonese, atau pun Mandarin, atau pun bahasa China.
itu, surat khabar Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya malang- nya pada hari ini, saya tidak bawa potongan ka-dalam Dewan ini, kalau tidak dapat-lah saya beri keterangan dan dapat bachakan tetapi barangkali surat khabar Kementerian yang berkenaan telah faham.
Dato' Yang di-Pertua, ini kita tidak sengaja- dapat faham dengan nya sa-olah2 perusahaan2 ini tujuan- nya ta' berapa suka hendak menerima pun pendudok, bumiputera dalam negara kita ini, kerana kita tahu kebanyakan orang2 bumiputera di-dalam negara tidak ini dapat berbahasa Mandarin, atau pun berbahasa Cantonese, maka tentu-lah tidak dapat memohon jawatan2 yang di-kehendaki itu.
tentu-lah atau Yang kedua, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya fikir ini ia-lah satu perkara yang sangat bertentangan dengan keadaan negara kita sekarang ini yang mana telah pehak Kerajaan kita sekarang 6713 21 MARCH 1966 6714 dengan sa-berapa berusaha daya dengan mengeluarkan wang berjuta2 ringgit untok hendak memajukan bahasa kebangsaan dan hendak mem- ini bolehkan menjadi rasmi satu bahasa yang dalam tahun 1967 ini kelak.
kebangsaan bahasa Jadi, ini-lah saya fikir dengan tidak sengaja—ini satu tekanan dan satu pengaroh yang akan merendahkan dan akan merosakkan bahasa kebang saan yang kita akan daulatkan sadikit masa lagi.
Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya ber- sangat kapada Kementerian harap ini dan Perdagangan Perusahaan supaya dapat memberikan nasihat kapada pengusaha2 kilang yang ada di-dalam negara kita ini, jangan-lah di-masokkan iklan yang bagitu dan hendak-lah di-beri chara2 yang lain, kebolehan2 yang lain sa-lain daripada bahasa yang tidak di-rasmikan dengan sa-chara rasmi dalam negara ini, dan saya harap ini-lah sahaja yang saya saya harap dapat berchakap dan Kementerian ini akan mengambil per- hatian yang berat.
Terima kaseh.
itu permintaan terima kaseh Dato' Dr Haji Megat Khas (Kuala Kangsar): Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya juga ingin mengambil peluang sadikit hendak berchakap berkenaan dengan perkara perbelanjaan, atau tambahan perbelanjaan yang telah di-minta oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Kewangan pada pagi tadi dan dengan sa-penoh- yang nya menyokong demikian, dan di-samping juga memberi satu pandangan dan mengu- juga kapada chapkan Kementerian Tali Ayer—Drainage and Irrigation ini berkenaan dengan kerja2 membaiki segala ranchangan2 kechil yang ada di-dalam kawasan saya di-Perak Central— sendiri, Perak Tengah, maka dengan itu nampak-nya apabila wang yang di- kehendaki itu di-beri sa-banyak $731 itu harus-lah ran changan yang kechil yang hendak di-jalankan, kerana saya perchaya kerana ia-itu ranchangan yang telah pun di-jalankan yang hendak di- biaya'i sekarang ia-lah Ranchangan Lima Tahun Yang Kedua.
tidak ada ia-itu lagi di-sini, Dan lagi daripada pandangan Yang Berhormat Menteri itu, saya suka-lah ia-itu hendak menyatakan sa-lain daripada memperbaiki segala tali2 ayer dan juga kesenangan bagi kaum tani mendapatkan ayer di-dalam kawasan2 menanam padi dalam sawah- nya dan ada juga rungutan daripada pendudok2 di-kampong2 yang mem- punyai sungai, ia-itu sa-lain daripada membuang kotor2, atau pun bangkol2 daripada sungai2 yang tersebut supaya terus, elok- ayer-nya sa-kira-nya boleh lah di-perhatikan rancha Kerajaan menyediakan satu tanah2 ngan yang akan mengawal tebing di-sungai2 itu.
lalu dengan itu bagi ia-itu tanah tanam sa-masa Kerana kerap kali-nya dengan aliran ayer daripada ka-samasa banyak-lah tanah yang telah di-lalu ayer.

Bagi pehak orang2 kampong yang mempunya'i tanah di-tepi2 tebing itu, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, sedia itu berguna— ma'alum chuchok2 di-gunakan mereka itu dan menchari khazanah dan sara hidup.
Kalau sa-kira-nya tanah di-lalu ayer dia sendiri tentu-lah membayar hasil yang sama kerana tidak di-lalukan-nya ayer tanah itu pada geran-nya—pada tanah-nya sahaja, berma'ana-lah pendudok2 itu mendapat kerugian yang besar.
Di- sini boleh-lah kita juga memikirkan atau pun membandingkan perkara ini dengan sungutan orang2 Sungai Perak atau pun orang2 yang di-bandar di- tepi Sungai Perak di-Telok Anson berapa banyak tanah di-sana di-lalu- kan oleh ayer sa-hinggakan pada hari ini Kerajaan sendiri pun memikirkan itu barangkali bandar Telok Anson patut-lah tempat yang selamat sadikit.
di-ubah kapada Dan kalau-lah sa-kira-nya Menteri Yang Berkenaan akan memikirkan ini dan memikirkan kesu- perkara sahan2 yang di-tanggong oleh orang2 kampong yang dudok di-tepi2 sungai itu, saya berasa dia sendiri pun tentu akan mengambil langkah macham mana-kah chara-nya yang tanah2 yang di-tepi2 sungai itu boleh di-kawal supaya jangan dia di-basoh oleh ayer.
Maka dengan itu saya rasa saya sa- kali lagi menguchapkan terima kaseh kapada Kementerian ini kerana telah 6715 21 MARCH 1966 6716 membereskan kerja-nya dalam Ran- changan Lima Tahun Yang Kedua, tetapi bagi 5 tahun yang ka-depan ini kalau dapat-lah di-selit2kan perkara yang macham ini minta-lah di-timbang- orang2 kan dapat kampong itu mendapat kesenangan dan kemudahan dan tidak bimbang yang tanah itu di-bawa di-ayer ka-laut.

Terima kaseh Dato' Pengerusi.


supaya ia-itu saya telah mendapat Tuan Haji Rahmat bin Haji Daud (Johor Bahru Barat): Yang Berhormat Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka ber- chakap sedikit berkenaan Kepala 147 ia-itu Penerbangan Awam.

Baru2 ini sa-orang pemuda kita orang ada kelulusan Melayu ini, Jurutera Penerbangan.

Beliau Tuan Pengerusi, juga suka cheritakan bagaimana beliau ini men dapat kelulusan itu.
Yang sa-benar-nya anak muda ini telah bekerja sa-bagai mechanic di-dalam Angkatan Udara Di-Raja tahun dahulu.

Dan kerana sangat bersemangat dan suka belajar, jadi ibu bapa-nya meng- ini ka-England, hantar anak muda dan beliau telah belajar di-sana sa-lama empat tahun dan mendapat kelulusan sa-bagai Jurutera Angkatan Kapal Udara.
Apabila beliau balek ka-mari dengan kelulusan itu bagaimana saya telah jumpa dengan-nya dia mengata- kan kapada saya kalau di-England kalau dia hendak bekerja di-sana lebeh kurang akan mendapat £ 1 00 pada sa-bulan.

ia-itu empat Tetapi malang-nya sampai hari ini beliau telah chuba menchari kerja dan chuba dengan juga minta kerja Malayan Airways di-Singapura pun tidak dapat juga—jawapan-nya tidak ada kosong.
Jadi ini terasa-lah beliau tersangat dukachita sa-bagai orang Melayu yang pertama sa-kali saya fikir dengan belanja-nya sendiri telah mendapat kelulusan sa-bagai Jurutera Kapal-terbang ka-mari dan tidak dapat hendak bekerja.

Saya perchaya kerana perpisahan Singapura tentu-lah dengan Malaysia sangat susah bagi anak kita Malaysia mendapat di-Singapura sana.
Sunggoh pun di-sini saya lihat telah menguntokkan Kerajaan kita juta sa-banyak sher di-dalam sa-bagai barangkali lebeh daripada $7 pekerjaan balek tadi itu anak muda kompeni itu, tentu-lah saya berharap supaya anak muda itu dapat bekerja tidak pun mudah2an di-situ, kalau dapat-lah Kementerian yang berkenaan mengambil balek ini bekerja di-dalam Angkatan Udara di-Raja Malaysia.
Kalau tidak, saya takut menjadi sia2-lah ilmu-nya kalau tidak mendapat sudah enam bulan beliau itu menganggor tidak ada pekerjaan dan saya takut ilmu yang ada pada-nya akan me- rosot—akan hilang.

pekerjaan, Demikian-lah Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya harap dapat-lah Kementerian ber kenaan menolong anak muda ini su paya semangat anak muda kita akan datang hendak belajar dalam ilmu Ke- juruteraan Penerbangan.

Terima kaseh.

Mr Speaker: Saya akan kemukakan the Menteri soal ini bagi di-putuskan.
That motion standing hendak menjawab?

Dato' Haji Sardon: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, saya hendak bagi penjelasan baik juga Yang Berhormat Ahli dari Batu pun ada, terutama sa-kali saya suka terangkan kapada beliau Malay sia yang kita ranchangkan dengan pem- benaan padang kapal terbang Antara Bangsa yang baru di-Kuala Lumpur ini memang-lah dahulu tujuan-nya masa Singapura bersama2 kita dengan Malaysia ini sa-buah lapangan terbang Antara Bangsa di-Singapura dan di- Kuala Lumpur.
Tetapi malang-nya pada 9hb Ogos, apabila Singapura telah berpisah, tentu-lah pelan2 yang lama itu ta' dapat di-ikut lagi, tetapi perpi sahan itu hanya baru beberapa bulan tetapi perkara yang di-terangkan tadi malu kita ta' ada hangars ta' ada itu ini.
Yang sa-benar-nya pehak Kemen terian saya telah pun telah sedar, berunding dengan pehak Pejabat Kerja Raya—Kementerian Kerja Raya yang berkenaan tentang pelan-nya bagitu bagini dan peruntokan telah pun di- luluskan oleh Kementerian Kewangan dan sa-berapa segera kita akan bena apa yang patut mengikut segi ekonomi.

Kalau Yang Berhormat daripada Batu ini selalu menyeru kapada Men teri Kewangan, rakan saya tadi pun dalam pertanyaan itu tidak-lah ini men- ini?
chuaikan perbelanjaan itu dan 6717 21 MARCH 1966 6718 Sebab itu sa-belum satu bangunan hen- dak di-bena terutama sa-kali macham hangars memakan belanja yang ratusan ribu dan million boleh jadi, tentu-lah hendak di-kaji dari jangka pendek dan jangka panjang.
Tetapi perchaya-lah Yang Berhormat daripada Batu yang sa-benar-nya kita tidak malu bahkan semua orang yang telah datang ka- pelabohan kapal terbang Antara Bang- sa kita di-Kuala Lumpur ini sangat memuji dan dia tahu kita sedang mem- buat perkara apa yang kurang juga— saya tidak diam.
Bagaimana penerbangan dengan hendak pergi Timor Tengah, hendak pergi Tokyo, hendak pergi ini, tentu- lah sa-bagai Sharikat Malaysian Air ways yang kembang-nya bagitu lekas barangkali satu rekod di-dalam dunia ini daripada menggunakan Dakota su- dah bertukar kapada Fokker Friendship yang kalau mengikut progerem yang lama kita, belum boleh lagi dan belum ada mampu lagi mengadakan Comet.
Sebab itu saya mengatakan kemajuan daripada Penerbangan Awam Malaysia ini yang 12 tahun patut kita buat, kita sudah buat dengan hanya beberapa bu- lan sahaja dalam satu dua tahun 1am- pau.
Jadi tentu-lah daripada segala ran- changan dan pelan itu atas kertas yang elok perjanjian bagaimana BOAC apa- bila menjualkan dengan kita lima buah Comet itu berjanji dengan chukup Engineer bagitu bagini bagi ma'alum Engineer apabila ada peluang yang ada kapal terbang yang baru 707 yang biasa membetulkan Comet kita tak boleh larang dia boleh isi, dia boleh berhenti, dia mahu specialise itu pun chukup saya fikir.
Jadi oleh kerana benda2 ini telah pun di-peruntokkan tetapi ma- lang-nya pelan keep on changing.

Jadi saya minta-lah Yang Berhormat tahu dia daripada Batu faham dan patut menguchapkan banyak2 terima kaseh dan tahniah kapada pehak Sha rikat Malaysian Airways.
Bagaimana beliau mengetahui dan rakan2 saya dari pada Yang Berhormat daripada Sabah dan Sarawak sekarang ini di-dalam Rumah Yang Berhormat mesti menga- kui' perkhidmatan Malaysian Airways telah membahagi banyak kesenangan pada waktu ini dengan ada Comet 4.

81/2 dari Kuala Lumpur, 9% dari Singa- pura, pukul satu sudah sampai Jessel- ton, sekarang daripada Jesselton pergi Sandakan dan Tawau dengan Fokker Friendship dengan tidak di-ganggu— dengan hawa yang under current dekat Gunong Kinabalu.
Jadi saya harap-lah Yang Berhormat ini faham dan tahu.
Maka saya uchapkan berbanyak2 teri ma kaseh atas tegoran2 yang construc tive dan saya suka menerangkan di-sini berkenaan dengan kejuruteraan konon- nya pehak kapal terbang ini tidak ba lagi memperuntokkan pegawai2 nyak yang saya akan terangkan, tetapi sa- belum ini saya meminta-lah pada Yang Berhormat, Sharikat kapal terbang yang memang kechil daripada asal-nya, dan Kerajaan Perikatan tidak berdasarkan kapada pun pehak Parti Buroh barangkali berpekek merayu sampai biru sa-kali pun kapada hendakkan Kerajaan Perikatan ini nationalisekan fasal kenderaan dan lain2, tentu kita ta' dapat menjalankan pula pernah merugikan Kerajaan.
Saya suka menerangkan kapada pehak Yang Berhormat—Yang Berhormat tadi telah berchakap fasal perniagaan kapal ter bang hendak berjaga terutama-nya sa-kali tentang International Flight.

nationalisation walau Malaysian Airways memang ada mempelajari.

Hari ini Malaysia telah ada perjanjian dengan 12 buah negeri bagaimana saya terangkan baharu2 ini.
ini memberi negeri2 Maka perjanjian itu datang berniaga di-negeri kapal kita, tetapi kita belum lagi mampu mengadakan kapal2 yang besar dan belum boleh, bagaimana Yang Berhor mat itu berkata hendak berlawan dengan dia chara competitive.
Tetapi kita tahu ada negeri2 yang mana mem beri peluang kapada kita pergi terbang ka-sana umpama-nya ka-Tokyo, ka- Madras kalau kita belum ada perhu- bongan dengan Kerajaan India lagi, dan tempat2 yang saya fikir patut, dan ini memakan waktu yang panjang hen dak menyediakan pelan2 dan segala2- itu nya.
Kalau-lah Yang Berhormat faham dan tahu perniagaan penerba ngan di-dunia sangat laju, sangat lekas, sangat besar modal- nya tentu-lah Airways hendak berhati2 sa-belum hendak memberi walau pun ada ranchangan 707 ini yang sa-buah ini, kemajuan 6719 21 MARCH 1966 6720 berharga 30 million ringgit.

Maka kalau kita hendak mengadakan sa-buah tentu ta' boleh, kurang2-nya tiga buah, kalau dua buah pergi balek kalau rosak sa-buah ada lagi.
Jadi kita pulang-lah kapada pehak Sharikat Penerbangan sedang mengadakan Malaysia yang segala siasatan dan akan membagi sa-berapa baik dan sa-berapa senang kapada pehak2 menggunakan pener bangan ini.

For the benefit of the Honourable Member, I have just got the figures for Singapore.
I should like to refer to the comments by the Honourable Member for Batu in regard to the Malaysian Airways apparent difficulty in replacing expatriate engineering staff of the Company and to tell the Ho nourable Member that since 1960 Ma laysian Airways has embarked upon a very commendable training programme for Malaysians or local citizens not only in engineering but also in the train ing of pilots.

At present there are 33 expatriate engineers working with the Airline.
There are, however, 59 local engineering trainees with 40 more to be recruited this year.

In addition, there are 20 engineering tradesmen under training.

The first batch of fully quali fied local engineers should be opera tional by 1971.

This is because it takes from seven training before a recruit is fully qualified as an engineer.

There are also 20 cadet flight engineers under training with 20 more to be recruited this year.
Of the pilots, there are 40 expatriate captians and 3 expatriate First Officers.

Malaysian Airways has 24 cadet pilots under training with 30 more to be recruited this year.

to eight years From the above, the Honourable Member will see that the training pro gramme of the company will more than replace the expatriate officers in the future.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: On a point of clarification, Sir.

When I spoke this morning, I stated that there was no training programme.
What I pointed out to the Honourable Minister was that the training programme is not ade quate.

The company has embarked on new services without adequate staff.

If, as he says, the present training pro gramme is enough to replace the pre sent expatriates, what about the ex tension of services?

You need more staff.

The main theme of my argument was that there were not enough people being sent abroad for training.
We have just now heard a Member on my left saying that a Malaysian has come back, he has asked for a job, and he could not get a job with the Malaysian Air ways.

Dato' Haji Sardon: It is not for you to comment.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: No comment from me.

Dato Haji Sardon: Mr Speaker, Sir, I am telling the Honourable Mem bers, not as a layman and not as the Minister of Transport, but from the advice of experts who are working towards 1971.

We are recruiting more and more every year.


This is what I am telling what has been planned to date, and it is not going to stop there.

I hope the Honourable Member will understand.

Not in the matter of civil aviation, noting is static.

We have to move, and move pretty fast; Other wise, we will miss all the market.
Berkenaan dengan Yang Berhormat rakan saya wakil Johor Baharu Timor kalau ta' salah, saya harap Yang Ber hormat yang lain kira-nya ada daripada anak2 buah kita yang ada berkelulusan betul chuba-lah nasihatkan mereka itu supaya berhubong terus kapada saya tentu banyak peluang bukan sahaja Malaysian Airways, yang lain2 Airways pun, berkehendakkan Technician yang sangat kekurangan.
Saya sedia meno- long mengikhtiarkan tetapi bagi kerja di-Kementerian ini ta' ada na' guna- kan engineers pada hari ini, tetapi ten- tu-lah ikhtiarkan kapada sharikat2 lain.

Jadi saya harap Yang Berhormat boleh dapat menasi- hatka.n minta mereka berhubong dengan saya, saya sedia menolong sa- berapa daya yang boleh.

boleh menolong Sa-belum saya dudok saya juga hen dak menjawab berkenaan dengan Wakil Raub.
Yang sa-benar- nya Malaysian Airways ini saya pun ta' sadikit 6721 21 MARCH 1966 6722 tahu sama-ada dia membawa parcel daripada pehak Kerajaan menerusi General Post Office atau tidak, tetapi saya sudah berunding dengan rakan saya Menteri Kerja Raya, Post dan Talikom supaya merundingkan dengan Post Master General.
Saya perchaya bagi pehak kapal terbang tentera kita yang saya fikir tiap2 minggu atau sa- minggu dua kali ada pergi terbang ka- Sarawak, Tawau, Jesselton, kira-nya saudara mara mereka2 yang hendak menghantar pada waktu hendak Hari Raya tentu-lah kalau dapat di-runding- kan menerusi Wakil2 Ra'ayat berhu- bong dengan pehak penerbangan kita tentu-lah dapat di-tolong.
(Ministry) Berkenaan dengan rundingan dengan Malaysian Airways, saya akan merun dingkan dengan rakan saya Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos dan Talikom supaya menimbangkan Malaysian Airways ini barangkali boleh membawa parcel me nerusi kapal terbang, tetapi biasa-nya tambang-nya lebeh mahal-lah daripada kapal laut, dan saya dapat tahu kapal laut sekarang ini ada belayar terus dari pada Port Swettenham ka-pelabohan2 di-negeri2 Borneo sa-puloh hari sa-kali dia berpusing sampai balek.
Jadi ini pun saya akan berunding nanti barang kali dengan Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos dan Talikom kira-nya kapal2 steamship yang tiap2 sa-puloh hari daripada Port Swettenham terus pergi ka-Kuching, Sibu, Sempurna, Jesselton dan balek ka-Singapura, tentu-lah kapal2 ini akan sedia juga membawa parcel post yang lebeh lekas daripada yang sudah2.

Ini sahaja penerangan saya, terima kaseh.


The Minister of Local Government and Housing (Enche Khavv Kai-Boh): Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like to reply to a number of points raised by Ho nourable Members pertaining to my Ministry, Ministry of Local Govern ment and Housing, as well as the Mi nistry for Commerce & Industry.

I first refer to the Honourable Member for Batu.


I thank him for his strong support in my getting more funds for my low cost housing, and I can assure this the Honourable Member matter of looked into very closely by my Ministry.

is being finance that this House I could get, possibly, Of course, Sir, I have stated previously in the allocation that made under the Malaysia Plan was the best in view of the present financial stringency of the country because of the Indoni- sian confrontation.
But, nevertheless, I have the assurance of the Minister of Finance that supplementary estimates would be considered when and if ne cessary.

Furthermore, discussions have been gone into between my Ministry and the Agency for International De velopment, an agency under the United States Government, under which we propose to carry out a trial project with funds from the Agency, and I hope this can be finalised in the very near future.
In addition, other avenues of finance are being looked into, and I propose, to visit the United States very shortly to look into this whole question of evenues of financing, and these are all the moves taken by my Ministry to obtain other sources of finance for the purpose of low-cost housing.

With regard to the points touching on the Sungei Bunus, I will be giving details in that connection in answer to a question asked separately on that matter.
In connection with matters pertaining to the Ministry of Commerce and In dustry, I would like to thank all the Honourable Members, who have raised a number of points regarding padi, and all these points are being noted and will be looked into by my Ministry.
regarding With regard to one specific item raised by the Honourable Member for Muar Utara replanting schemes, all I can say at the moment is that the Smallholders' Replanting Scheme, Fund B, is at present under review, and a decision has yet to be taken.

The Government, however, is aware of the need to give assistance to the smallholders to replant, and the matter is at present under considera tion.

Thank you, Sir.

Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Ker- jasama (Tuan Haji Mohd.
Ghazali bin Haji Jawi): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya peluang menguchapkan mengambil terima kaseh kapada Ahli2 Yang 6723 21 MARCH 1966 6724 Berhormat yang telah menumpukan perhatian yang berat kapada Kemen- terian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerja- sama.

tadi, Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Batu, telah pun dan uchapan-nya mengecham sadikit Kementerian ini berhubong dengan banjir di-Sungai Bunus.
Rakan saya, Menteri Peruma- han dan Kerajaan Tempatan, telah jawapan akan di-beri menyatakan besok atau lusa manakala beliau men- jawab Pertanyaan2 Bagi Menjawab Mulut yang di-datangkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Batu itu sendiri.
Jadi di-sini nampak-lah dengan jelas dan terang, tanggong-jawab ini bukan-lah terletak-nya di-Kementerian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama, sunggoh pun Jabatan Parit dan Tali Ayer ada-lah di-bawah kuasa Kemen terian ini, tetapi dengan sebab Sungai Bunus itu ada-lah dalam kawasan bandaran, maka tidak-lah terletak di- bawah Kementerian ini.

Saya harap Ahli Yang Berhormat faham kedu- dokan yang sa-benar-nya.
Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Raub dan beberapa orang Ahli Yang Berhormat yang lain telah berchakap panjang dan menumpukan perhatian yang berat berkenaan dengan pema saran padi yang di-jalankan di-dalam negeri ini.

Sa-bagaimana yang saya sendiri telah menerangkan beberapa kali, ia-itu pehak Kerajaan ada-lah sedar berkenaan dengan kechurangan atau pun keburokan masaalah pema saran padi yang berlaku di-dalam negeri ini pada masa ini.
Dengan kese- daran dan keinsafan itu-lah pehak Kerajaan atau khas-nya Kementerian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama telah mengemukakan satu Undang2 bagi penubohan Lembaga Pemasaran Pertanian Persekutuan di-dalam Dewan ini pada tahun sudah dan sa-lepas daripada Undang2 itu di-luluskan, Lembaga Pemasaran ini telah pun di- tubohkan pada lhb Oktober, 1965, dan pegawai2 untok berkhidmat di-dalam Lembaga ini telah pun di-ambil pada lhb Januari, 1966.
Dalam masa sa-bulan dua ini, pegawai2 itu telah pun di-beri latehan oleh pakar2 yang di-datangkan dari pada Bangkok dan Rome ia-itu dari pada Pejabat Pertubohan Makanan dan Pertanian yang beribu Pejabat di- Rome.

Sa-telah mereka itu di-beri latehan maka mereka akan di-hantar ka-semua kawasan2 yang tertentu ia-itu kawasan2 yang di-chadangkan hendak di-adakan Badan Pemasaran dengan segera-nya.
Manakala mereka ini telah siasatan dan kajian, menjalankan maka Lembaga ini di-satu masa yang di-jangka tidak lama lagi, akan menge mukakan shor2 dan juga ranchangan2 bagi menubohkan Badan2 Pemasaran ini.
Sa-bagaimana Ahli Yang Ber hormat di-dalam sedia ma'alum, undang2 itu, sa-belum daripada dapat kita menubohkan Lembaga ini, ter- ranchangan2 paksa-lah pemasaran itu di-ishtiharkan di-dalam Warta Kerajaan dan sa-lepas itu akan di- adakan pepereksaan umum atau pun pendengaran umum dan sa-lepas daripada itu baharu-lah dapat ran itu di-kemukakan kapada changan saya untok persetujuan.
Maka dengan sebab process yang mengambil masa itu, tidak-lah dapat pehak Lembaga ini menubohkan Badan Pemasaran bagi padi yang sedang di-tuai di- Tanjong Karang pada hari ini.
Tetapi sa-bagaimana Ahli2 Yang Berhormat sendiri mengetahui, saya dan Yang Amat Berhormat Dato' Menteri Besar Selangor, telah pun melawat ka-Tanjong Karang dan Sabak Bernam bagi mengkaji masaalah pemasaran di-kedua2 kawasan itu dan langkah2 akan di-ambil bagi menye- nang atau pun memperbaiki keadaan pemasaran padi yang sedang di-tuai di-Tanjong Karang dan Sabak Bernam itu.
Saya sendiri akan mengadakan ia-itu dengan lagi dua pertemuan wakil2 daripada Persatuan Sharikat2 Kerjasama Tanjong Karang dan Sabak Bernam dan juga Persatuan Pengilang2 Padi Selangor dalam minggu ini juga.

Saya harap dengan pertemuan dan susunan yang di-buat itu akan dapat memperbaiki masaalah padi.
Berkenaan dengan perkara yang berlaku di-dalam perishtiharan harga padi tahun ini, ia-itu yang di-perbuat pada bulan Januari, saya sendiri telah 6725 21 MARCH 1966 6726 ini akan di-buat menyatakan dukachita di-atas kesi- lapan sadikit sa-banyak itu dan saya sendiri telah pun memberi jaminan kapada penanam2 padi seluroh-nya ia-itu perishtiharan harga padi bagi lebeh awal tahun daripada yang ia-itu telah perishtiharan £kan di-buat sa-belum daripada padi (Tepok).
Perishtiharan itu di-jangka akan di-buat lagi pada bulan Jun atau pun Julai ia-itu lebeh awal daripada musim menanam padi bagi tahun 1966/1967 yang di-jangka akan ber- mula pada bulan Ogos 1966 ini.

petani2 menanam2 sudah Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Hilir Perak telah meminta supaya Kementerian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama sahaja bertanggong jawab di-dalam menetapkan harga padi.
Jadi sa-bagaimana dalam masaalah yang saya telah memberi akuan, saya akan menitek beratkan masaalah ini dan akan membawa masaalah ini di-dalam Cabinet dan harga padi akan di-ishtiharkan sa-belum daripada musim padi di-mulakan.

ini, ini saya Ahli Yang Berhormat itu juga telah meminta supaya Kerajaan mengada- kan gudang2 bagi menyimpan padi dengan banyak-nya di-kawasan2 padi.
Dalam masaalah sendiri s e d a n g mengadakan perundingan dengan Pengarah Pertanian yang ber- kuasa berkenaan dengan Persatuan2 Peladang dan juga dengan Pengerusi Lembaga Pemasaran Pertanian Perse- kutuan berhubong dengan mengadakan gudang2 yang berpatutan di-dalam kawasan2 yang tertentu bagi menolong petani2 dan peladang2 menyimpan padi2 mereka sa-belum daripada di- bawa ka-kilang atau pun tuan2 kilang sendiri sa-lepas membeli padi2 itu menyimpan padi2 mereka.
Jadi perkara ini sedang di-dalam dengan rundingan di-antara kedua2 pehak yang tertentu ini.
saya Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Perlis Selatan telah berchakap panjang lebar berkenaan dengan harga padi dan tegoran sadikit sa-banyak berhubong dengan perjalanan Sharikat2 Kerjasama yang ada di-negeri Perlis dan sa-bagai-nya juga memberi telah itu ini saya ia-lah terbacha dalam masaalah ta' dan beliau menyatakan perasaan puas hati terhadap perjalanan Sharikat Kerjasama itu melantek ejen2 daripada orang persaorangan dan sa-bagai-nya.
Jadi, saya sadikit Ahli Yang berdukachita Berhormat tidak menyampaikan perkara itu kapada saya terus bahkan siaran2 yang akhbar pertelingkahan dan perseli- sehan di-antara-nya dengan Yang Amat Berhormat Dato' Menteri Besar negeri itu.
Jadi, kalau sa-kira-nya per kara ini di-sampaikan pada saya sa- masa saya melawat ka-Perlis atau pun di-sini saya perchaya dapat-lah kita menchari bagaimana perkara itu dapat di-selesaikan dan perselisehan di-antara kedua ini dapat di-betulkan tetapi, walau bagaimana pun, kedua2-nya ada-lah berikhtiar bagi memperbaiki kedudokan petani2 di-sana semua.
ikhtiar jalan ini itu supaya Sharikat ada-lah menjadi Ahli Yang Berhormat juga menegor atau pun meminta supaya Sharikat Kerjasama Nelayan yang ada di-Kuala Perlis itu tidak di-bubarkan dan berharap itu dapat di-perbaiki.

Jadi, dalam masa dasar alah Kerajaan mengadakan Sharikat2 Ker jasama yang tegap dan yang tersusun di-kampong2 bagi menolong ra'ayat2 kampong memperbaiki nasib mereka bagi masa yang akan datang ini.
Pada masa yang sudah2 Sharikat2 Kerjasama bertambah di-dalam negeri ini sa- umpama chendawan dan ada di-antara Sharikat2 Kerjasama di-kampong itu chuma mempunyai ahli sa-ramai ta' lebeh daripada 20 orang.

Kalau sa- kira-nya perkara yang sa-umpama ini berlarutan dan berpanjangan ini tidak akan dapat menolong kehidupan dan keadaan pendudok2 di-luar bandar.
Maka dengan sebab itu, Kementerian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama telah pun mengamalkan satu dasar baharu ia-itu kita lebeh suka melihat Sharikat2 Kerjasama yang ada di- dalam negeri ini yang bermutu baik daripada bilangan yang banyak.
Jadi, kita berharap kalau sa-kira-nya ada di-antara2 Sharikat2 Kerjasama yang kechil yang berselerak di-kampong2 lebeh itu yang mempunyai ahli daripada 20 orang yang chuma dapat ta' 6727 21 MARCH 1966 6728 lebeh daripada ta' mengutip yuran $10/- atau pun $20/- sa-bulan, maka Sharikat2 Kerjasama yang sa-umpama ini patut-lah di-satukan dan di-jadikan satu Sharikat Kerjasama yang besar.
Dengan ada-nya Sharikat Kerjasama yang besar itu dan bilangan ahli-nya lebeh ramai maka banyak kerja2 yang dapat di-jalankan oleh Sharikat2 Ker jasama itu.
Jadi, berhubong dengan masaalah Sharikat Kerjasama Nelayan Kuala Pedis ini saya mengaku akan men- jalankan kajian bagi kesiasatan dan kajian berkenaan dengan kedudokan sharikat itu sendiri, kalau sharikat yang ada itu memberi munafa'at dan faedah kapada ahli2-nya, maka saya rasa tidak patut sama sa-kali kita bubarkan-nya tetapi kalau sa-kira-nya sharikat yang ada itu, ada yang tidak memberi faedah dan berguna kapada ahli-nya, maka saya rasa kalau sa- kira-nya di-tutup sa-kali pun atau di-mansokhkan sa-kali pun tidak akan merugikan sharikat atau ra'ayat.
Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Melaka Selatan telah menegor ber kenaan dengan tarikh penjualan padi mahsuri dan malinja ia-itu ta' lewat daripada 30 haribulan Jun tahun 1966.

Jadi, dalam masaalah ini ketetapan atau keputusan yang di-buat oleh Kerajaan ia-lah semua padi musim pertama ada-lah berharga $16/- tiap2 sa-pikul di-pintu kilang.
Jadi, di-sini berma'ana-lah semua padi yang di- tanam bagi musim yang pertama sa-umpama di-Kedah, di-Perlis, di- dan Melaka, Kelantan, Trengganu padi musim pertama di-negeri Pulau Pinang, Perak dan Selangor ada-lah berharga $16/- sa-pikul.
Walau bagai mana sa-kali pun sa-hingga Kerajaan menetapkan harga kurang daripada $16/- sa-pikul tetapi padi yang di- tanam dalam musim yang kedua sa-lain daripada mahsuri dan malinja ada-lah sa-pikul tidak-lah menggalakkan kerana kita petani2 menanam padi jangka pendek yang memakan masa chuma 3 bulan sa-umpama padi Taiwan dan lain2 itu.
Maka dengan sebab itu-lah pehak Kerajaan menetapkan malinja dan mahsuri $16/- sa-pikul, tetapi pehak tidak menetapkan Kerajaan berharga sendiri $14/- itu, tetapi masa 30 haribulan Jun bukan-lah dalam Pentadbiran.

Jadi, telah pun di-beritahu saya sendiri berkenaan dengan perkara ini akan di-uruskan dan saya perchaya akan dapat di-bereskan.

Enche' Karim Abu (Melaka Selatan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bukan-lah ahli daripada Melaka Selatan yang ber- chakap itu.

Enche' Mohd.
Enche' Mohd.

Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Muar Utara memberikan kepujian kapada Pejabat Parit dan Tali Ayer kerana telah membuat ranchangan di-kawa- san-nya tetapi ranchangan2 itu telah di-rosakkan oleh kerbau2.

Saya rasa perkara ini telah pun di-bangkitkan di-dalam meshuarat ini—dalam per- sidangan Dewan ini yang sudah dan saya telah pun menjemput Ahli Yang Berhormat itu supaya dapat berunding dengan kawasan2 bahagian kerbau yang hendak di-pagar ini.
Jadi kalau dapat Ahli Yang Berhormat memberikan senarai2 itu kapada saya dapat-lah saya menimbangkan masa telah pun memberi alah akuan dan janji berkenaan dengan perkara ini di-persidangan Dewan ini yang sudah.

ini.

Saya itu telah di-buat jaminan di-perjumpaan Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad: Satu perjumpaan dengan penternak2 kerbau sa-bagaimana yang ini yang di-hadhiri oleh di-katakan Johor.
Ketua Haiwan bagi Negeri telah Ketua Haiwan Negeri Johor memberi itu laporan kapada saya bahawa akan di-sampaikan kapada Kemen- terian ini dengan kadar segera yang boleh.

Walau bagaimana pun atas kebendak Kementerian ini, Yang Ber hormat Menteri, saya akan sanggup memberikan satu laporan yang ber- asingan daripada yang di-hantar oleh Ketua Haiwan Negeri Johor terima kaseh.

satu itu dan Enche' Mohd.


Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: Terima kaseh di-atas penerangan yang di-berikan saya perchaya tidak lama lagi penyata yang di-buat itu akan sampai kapada saya.
Tetapi sa-bagaimana yang saya telah sebutkan di-dalam persidangan Dewan yang su- 6729 21 MARCH 1966 6730 dah kalau sa-kira-nya sangat mustahak di-fikirkan, elok-lah beri tahu sama ada berjumpa, talipon atau sa-bagai- nya dan dapat-lah saya minta pegawai2 itu menjalankan siasatan segera dan timbangan dapat di-berikan dengan segera-nya dan dengan itu tidak-lah merosakkan dan merugikan rancha- ngan2 tali ayer di-kawasan Ahli Yang Berhormat itu.
Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Kuala Trengganu Selatan telah minta supaya pehak Kerajaan Pusat menge- luarkan wang jangan hendak tunggu2 lagi daripada Kerajaan Negeri bagi membaiki kerosakan2 yang telah ber- laku di-dalam negeri itu akibat banjir.
Sa-bagaimana Ahli Yang Berhormat itu sendiri telah pun menyatakan, saya dan pegawai2 yang berkenaan telah melawat Negeri Trengganu baharu2 ini dan arahan2 yang tertentu telah pun di-beri kapada pegawai2 Jabatan itu Parit dan Tali Ayer di-negeri kerja2 supaya menjalankan yang mustahak bagi membaiki parit2 dan tali2 ayer yang rosak akibat dari itu, tetapi ada perkara2 pada banjir yang di-fikirkan tidak sa-bagitu mus tahak di-baiki dengan segera dan perkara2 ini ada-lah di-bawah ke- kuasaan Kerajaan Negeri.
Rundingan2 sedang di-jalankan di-antara Kemen terian dengan Kerajaan Negeri.

Itu-lah sahaja, terima kaseh.

semua suka-lah The Assistant Minister of National and Rural Development (Enche' Sulai- man bin Bulon): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak menjawab masaalah2 yang di-kemukakan oleh beberapa orang Ahli Yang Berhormat tadi terhadap Kementerian Pemba ngunan Negara dan Luar Bandar.
Pertama-nya ia-lah wakil daripada Batu yang menyatakan mengapa-kah orang2 China sahaja yang di-pindah2- kan dan bagitu juga dia berkehendak- kan supaya kemudahan2 di-berikan di-tempat2 Ranchangan kawasan jawab- Penempatan Sa-mula.

Maka nya ia-lah kita tidak-lah pula hendak menujukan kapada orang2 China sa- mata2 tetapi supaya di-pindahkan, juga sa-barang dan siapa2 juga yang terlibat dalam hal keselamatan negara terpaksa-lah di-pindahkan ka-tempat sa-mata2 di-hadapkan yang selamat.
Jadi berma'ana tidak- kapada lah orang China di-tempatkan sahaja kapada tempat kawasan sa-mula itu.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Untok penje- lasan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

Ada-kah orang ka-tempat penempatan kawasan baharu di-Sara- wak dan di-Sabah?

berpindah lain Enche' Sulaiman bin Bulon: Ada lain2, Dayak, Iban dan juga orang juga di- itu sa-bagai-nya, mereka pindahkan untok keselamatan, tidak sa-mata2 untok orang China.
Dan bagitu juga saperti mana yang sudah kita nyatakan dalam masa kita ber- bahath peruntokan kewangan bagi tahun ini, kita telah nyatakan ia-itu permindahan orang2 yang sa-umpama ini tidak-lah saperti mana pemindahan yang telah di-buat oleh Kerajaan Malaya dahulu sa-masa dalam dha- rurat, tetapi pemindahan yang di-buat ini ia-lah berdasarkan kapada mana yang telah di-jalankan oleh Kemen terian Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar yang telah menempatkan orang2 di-dalam berbagai2 ranchangan tanah.
Jadi telah tidak-lah berma'ana kita membiarkan orang ini bagitu sahaja dengan tidak memberikan kemudahan2.

Bagitu juga soal yang di-kemuka kan oleh Yang Berhormat wakil tadi, yang Sarawak, Enche' Ong menyatakan berbagai2 kesulitan telah terjadi kapada mereka yang di-pindah kan itu.
Jadi, masaalah ini kita tidak- lah dapat hendak menafikan tidak ada-nya kesulitan2 kerana ma'alum-lah siapa yang di-tempatkan ka-tempat yang baharu tentu-lah menempoh ber bagai2 kesulitan dan Kerajaan ada-lah sedang mengkaji dan memikirkan supaya kemudahan2 yang sa-umpama yang telah di-sebutkan itu dapat di- berikan.

Dan bagitu juga di-katakan tidak dapat mereka mengundi dan jadi sa- bahagian daripada mereka yang tidak akan dapat menjadi chalon dalam raya.
Maka perkara2 yang pilehan sa-umpama perkara ada-lah personal—perkara peribadi masing2 dan tentu-lah perkara hendak memberi sa-saorang itu menjadi chalon dan sa-bagai-nya ada-lah mengikut sharat2 ini nanti akan juga boleh ini 6731 21 MARCH 1966 6732 yang sudah di-tentukan dalam pilehan raya.

Jadi tidak-lah timbul masaalah itu jikalau kita hendak menempatkan mereka itu pada tempat yang lebeh selamat.
akan dapat di-bena Bagitu juga sa-orang daripada Ahli Yang Berhormat wakil Sarawak menye- butkan keraguan-nya tentang perun- tokan2 daripada Kementerian ini yang di-berikan kapada Negeri Sarawak, ia-itu di-tempat-nya yang di-katakan tidak bagitu dapat projek2 saperti mana yang di-adakan di-tempat kita di- Malaya ini; di-harapkan yang projek itu di-dalam kawasan-nya.
Tetapi Kementerian kita telah pun memberikan peruntokan sa-banyak satu million ringgit atau satu ringgit kapada Kerajaan Sarawak dan tentu-lah kalau sa-kira- nya projek2 yang telah di-gunakan itu dapat keutamaan dalam negeri itu, maka saya rasa kebimbangan yang di-hadapi-nya tidak-lah menjadi keraguan lagi kapada dia.
juta itu Jadi perkara yang Akhir-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ia-lah daripada wakil Ahli Yang Berhormat Muar Utara yang menyata- kan bahawa ranchangan FLDA atau ini pun Lembaga Kemajuan Tanah memberi 8 ekar untok kebun atau dusun dan 2 ekar untok perkampongan maka yang 2 ekar untok perkam pongan ini akan menjadi kesulitan atau pun merugikan sa-mata2 kapada Kerajaan.
sa- umpama ini saya fikir tentu-lah men jadi satu masaalah lama kapada kita kerana sebab-nya kita adakan 2 ekar perkampongan bagi tiap2 peserta itu supaya dapat kita memberikan kemu- dahan2 yang di-kehendaki untok tiap2 tetapi kalau kita biarkan peserta, ini dudok dalam masing2 mereka tentu-lah tadi tanah yang 8 ekar kemudahan2 tidak dapat di-berikan dengan chekap, mungkin perbelanjaan pun akan lebeh daripada apa yang kita semua-nya sa-mata2 ia-lah kerana hendak mem berikan kemudahan2 yang boleh di- berikan kapada mereka.
Jadi kalau masaalah ini, saperti mana yang telah tidak menguntongkan, di-shorkan, maka Kerajaan berfikir tentang hendak bagitu.

Dan jangkakan dan tidak-lah juga ini menghantar anak2 mereka itu ka- sekolah dan sa-bagai-nya.
Perkara yang sa-umpama ini tidak-lah menjadi satu masaalah yang besar kapada kita, kerana kita ada mempunyai Pegawai di-dalam Kebajikan Masharakat F.L.D.A.—Lembaga Kemajuan Tanah kita, dan urusan yang sa-umpama ini patut-lah kita hadapkan kapada pegawai2 itu supaya perkara itu dapat harap Yang saya di-atasi, Berhormat itu sa-lepas ini akan meru- jokkan surat rayuan daripada peserta itu kapada pegawai yang berkenaan supaya dapat kesulitan itu di-hadapi.
di-Pertua, Sakian-lah Tuan Yang soalan2 yang di-kemukakan oleh Ahli2 Yang Berhormat kapada Kementerian Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar.

Terima Kaseh.

sakalian dan Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That pursuant to Standing Order 67C the following Motion be referred to a Committee of the whole House: 'That this House resolves that an addi tional sum not exceeding $16,785,621 be expended out of the Development Fund in respect of the financial year 1965, and that, to meet the purpose of the Heads and Sub heads set out the First and Second columns of the Statement laid on the Table as Command Paper No.
5 of 1966, there be appropriated the sums specified opposite such Heads and Sub-heads in the eight and ninth columns thereof.

in House itself into a Committee of the whole House.

immediately resolved The Development (Supplementary) (No.

3) Estimates, 1965 considered in Committee.

(Mr Speaker, in the Chair) Heads 106 and 121— Mr Chairman: I now propose that the expenditure shown under Head 106 (Supplementary) of (No.

3) Estimates, 1965, be approved.


the Development Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Chair man, Sir, with your permission, I would like to take Head 106 and also Head 121, as I am acting for the Minister of Commerce and Industry.

6733 21 MARCH 1966 6734 I would like, Sir, to take Head 106 first under the Ministry of Local Go vernment and Housing, and move that the sum of $220,150 appearing there under be approved.
This provision is required as a loan to be made to the State of Kelantan for the construction of the second phase of the two-storey central market in Kota Bahru on the following terms: Period: 25 years.

Interest: 5J% per annum.

Repayment: By 25 equated an nuities of principal and interest.
to the estimates Honourable Members will recall that, in presenting this House for a grant of $450,000 to be made for the first phase of the project in 1964, I stated that the object of the central market was to accomodate the existing markets in Kota Bahru which have outlived their usefulness and are to cater for the ever growing population of the town.

This market is built in order to provide better and improved facilities for marketing all commodities produced imported in Kelantan and from other States.
The Town Council of Kota Bahru is not in a position financially to undertake on its own a scheme of this magnitude.

The State Government, for lack of funds, was unable to provide a loan to the Town Council.

In view of the urgency of the project, and in order not to hold up construction work, of $220,150 was provided by way of an advance from the Contigencies Fund.

loan this Next, Mr Chairman, Sir, I come to Head 121, Sub-head 1 Rubber Replant ing Schemes: (ii) Scheme No.

2.
2.

In my Draft Development Estimates for 1965 my Ministry asked for $28.7 million to meet the continuing con in respect of tractual commitments Government Rubber Replanting Scheme No.

2 during 1965.

The provision was required to meet payments under the Rubber Industry Replanting Schemes for Estates (No.

2) 1964 (L.N.

255/ 1964).


A meeting of the Estimates Sub- Committee of the Economic Planning Unit, Prime Minister's Department, was held on the 4th of September, 1964, and considered the Draft Development Estimates for 1965 for my Ministry.
At that meeting the Sub-Committee in sisted that my Estimates for the above scheme should be reduced to $20 mil lion on the clear understanding that should this amount prove to be insuffi cient to meet all contractual commit ments during 1965, the supplementary provision required would be granted without any difficulty.

The $20 million approved in the 1965 Estimates were exhausted by the beginning of October, 1965.

Outstanding claims due for pay ment at that date amounted to approxi mately $7 million.
Government was committed to settle these claims before the end of 1965.

Accordingly, my for an additional Ministry applied sum of $7 million to meet payments under the Rubber Industry Replanting Scheme for Estates (No.

2) 1964 (Legal Notification No.

255 of 1964).

amounting in order to ensure Finally, Sir, I come to Head 121, Sub-head 18 (New) Federation of Malaya Rubber Exchange.
When the Federation of Malaya Rubber Exchange in February, 1962, was incorporated the Government provided it a guarantee for bank overdrafts to $150,000 to meet its annually recurrent expenditure that the Exchange will operate successfully right from its establishment.

It was en visaged that the Exchange would after some time derive its own revenue from subscriptions of its members as well as from fees charged on its trading fa cilities so as to make it self-supporting financially.
However, by the end of 1965 the Exchange did not succeed in collecting enough revenue to meet its the expenditure with the result that overdrafts guaranteed by the Govern ment were exhausted.
The Government has reviewed the usefulness of the Exchange and, after consultations with all sectors of the rubber trade and industry, has come to the conclusion that the Exchange should continue to exist as it is impor tant for Malaysia, being the largest natural rubber producer of the world, to have an organised market for its rubber.
It is in the national interest, as well as in the interest of the rubber trade and industry, that there should be such an organised market which will ensure information on prices which 6735 21 MARCH 1966 6736 in to continue are essential are important to producers, especially the smallholders, and the rubber trade and the Government.

Such a market will also provide trading facilities and to producers, traders and safeguards consumers, which in international creating confidence trade.
In view of this, the Government decided the Exchange financially by granting to it an advance totalling $250,000 to enable the Exchange to carry on its operations.

At the same time, the Government has also decided that the Exchange should be reorganised to make it more effec tive and viable.

These measures are in two Bills which will incorporated be presented in this House during the present session.

to support project costs $859,906.


However, only a proportion of the cost was required in 1965, and this would not exceed the provision of $400,000 already approved.

The balance would be paid from the provision for the Ministry of Defence under the Development Estimates, 1966.

The token vote of $10/-, which I now require Honourable Members to ap prove, is to indicate that there is an increase total cost the estimated under the sub-head from $500,000 to $859,906.
The construction of the depot is very essential and must be implemented immediately to overcome the difficulties of stocking ammunition the Armed for operational use by Forces in the Borneo States, especially in Sarawak.

in Question put, and agreed to.

Sir, I beg to move.

The sum of $220,150 for Head 106 and the sum of $7,250,000 for Head 121 agreed to stand part of the Deve lopment (Supplementary) (No.

3) Es timates, 1965.


Head 115— Mr Chairman: I now propose that the expenditure shown under Head 115 (Supplementary) of (No.

3) Estimates, 1965 be approved.
the Development The Parliamentary Secretary to the Deputy Prime Minister (Enche' Chen Wing Sum): Mr Chairman, Sir, I beg to move that a token vote of $10/- appearing under Head 115, Ministry of Defence, forms part of the Develop ment (Supplementary) (No.3) Estimates, 1965, Sir, as Honourable Members are already aware, a provision of $400,000 was approved under Head 115, Sub head 81 (ii) Armed Forces Mainte nance Corps Units, Sabah and Sarawak, in the Development Estimates, 1965, for the construction of an Ordnance Maintenance Park in Labuan.
After the the need of re-examination of the Armed Forces the conclusion was reached that the requirements for an in Kuching was Ammunition Depot more urgent than the proposed Ord nance Maintenance Park in Labuan, and that the construction of the Am munition Depot should proceed imme diately instead of the Ordnance Main tenance Park.

The Ammunition Depot ask the Ministry from regarding token vote of $10/-.

Sir, the factories.
Sir, the factories.

the Honourable Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Chairman, Sir, we have heard that it is imperative that this Ordnance Depot should be constructed and hence the sum of $859,906 has been asked for and used, to approve and we are asked now a from to time time, we hear of missions from the Ministry of Defence going abroad to buy military hardware and that includes ammunitions.
We also hear from time to time of statements emanating of setting up Defence Sir, may of munitions I the Par liamentary Secretary to the Minister of Defence, whether active steps have to set up a munitions been this country, particularly factory munitions for small arms because, to my simple mind, the production of munitions for small arms is not too terribly difficult and may well save this country both in terms of foreign ex change and also in terms of us being not at the mercy of the munitions kings the world over.
This is an idea that, no doubt, has occured to the Ministry of Defence, Sir, and I would be grateful if the Parliamentary Secretary can give us a clarification on this point.

taken in Enche' Chen Wing Sum: Sir, as 1 said in the last Session, we have still under consideration certain applications to establish ammunition factories by 6737 21 MARCH 1966 6738 private firms in this country, but we have not finalised such proposals yet.

Question put, and agreed to.


The token sum of $10/- for Head 115 agreed to stand part of the Deve lopment (Supplementary) (No.

3) Esti mates 1965.

Head 126— Mr Chairman: I now propose that the expenditure shown under Head 126 of (Supplementary) (No.

3) Estimates, 1965 be approved.

the Development Enche' Sulaiman bin Bulon: Tuan Pengerusi, saya mohon izin mengemu- kakan Kepala 126, Pechahan Kepala 20 di-bawah Kementerian Pembangu- nan Negara dan Luar Bandar menjadi sa-bahagian daripada Jadual.
Tuan Pengerusi, wang sa-banyak $694,510 yang di-kehendaki di-bawah Kepala 126—Kementerian Pembangu- nan Negara dan Luar Bandar, Pecha han Kepala 20 ia-lah bagi menambah peruntokan yang telah di-buat bagi gerakan "Hammer" supaya 72 kelamin dari Tabdu dapat di-tempatkan sa- mula di-kawasan2 gerakan Hammer.

72 kelamin itu terpaksa di-pindahkan ka- tempat yang lebeh selamat oleh kerana memandangkan kedudokan keselama- tan di-kawasan Tabdu.
$150,000 dari pada wang ini telah di-gunakan bagi menambah perkhidmatan yang perlu di-dalam kawasan gerakan Hammer manakala $108,000 merupakan wang bantuan kapada kelamin2 itu bagi membuat rumah mereka dan juga bagi elaun dan yuran.

Bagi meringankan kesulitan kelamin2 itu di-dalam peng- hidupan baharu mereka, Kerajaan ada- lah juga memberi mereka elaun hidup sa-banyak $ 1 /- sa-hari bagi sa-orang salama 12 bulan ia-itu sa-masa mereka menantikan hasil dari chuchok tanam mereka.
Dengan yang d e m i k i an $136,510 bagi membayar elaun hidup kapada kela min2 itu.

Oleh kerana 72 kelamin2 itu berpindah ka-tempat yang baharu, tanah bagi mereka untok berchuchok di-sediakan.

tanam ini $250,000 daripada tanah yang ia-lah bagi pampasan peruntokan di-gunakan terpaksa ada-lah juga di-sediakan untok mereka bertanam chuchok.

Baki-nya sa-banyak $50,000 ada-lah di-gunakan bagi tambang me- nambang dan bagi perbelanjaan yang tidak di-duga.

Sekian-lah di-pohonkan.

Question put, and agreed to.


The sum of $694,510 for Head 126 agreed to stand part of the Develop ment (Supplementary) (No.

3) Esti mates, 1965.

Head 134— Mr Chairman: I now propose that the expenditure shown under Head 134 of (Supplementary) (No.

3) Estimates, 1965 be approved.


the Development telah sa-banyak Enche' Mohamed Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: Tuan Pengerusi, saya mohon peruntokan di-bawah Kepala 134, Sub head 46 (111) berjumlah sa-banyak $731 dan Kepala 134 di-bawah Pecha han Kepala 84 berjumlah $10 di- luluskan.

Wang $731 ada-lah untok membayar harga tanah telah di-ambil oleh Kerajaan.

yang tidak dapat di- Pembayaran 1964 oleh jalankan dalam kerana kematian tanah.
Surat kuasa baharu sahaja di-ambil oleh warith2 si-mati di-dalam tahun 1965 dan wang sa-banyak $731 ia-lah tersebut.
untok membayar bayaran Wang sa-banyak $700 ada-lah di- kehendaki bagi membayar tambahan elaun rumah kapada kaki-tangan ma chine, atau pun accelerator yang telah pun di-pindahkan di-bawah Surat Per- keliling Perkhidmatan Bilangan II Tahun 1964. tahun tuan punya Peruntokan sa-banyak $10 di-dalam Peranggaran Tambahan Pembangunan yang kelima tahun 1965 ada-lah di- kehendaki bagi memasokkan sa-mula bekalan wang bagi bayaran elaun ini, dan wang bayaran sa-banyak $700 itu akan di-perolehi dengan chara ubah peruntokan.
Jadi, saya pohon peruntokan sa- banyak $741 di-bawah dua Kepala ini di-luluskan.

Question put, and agreed to.

6739 21 MARCH 1966 6740 The sum of $741 for Head 134 ordered to stand part of the Develop ment (Supplementary) (No.

3) Esti mates, 1965.

Heads 139, 144 and 172 Mr Chairman: I now propose that the expenditure shown under Head 139, Government Buildings (other than Housing) (Malaya) of the Development Supplementary (No.

3) Estimates, 1965 be approved.


The Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications (Dato' V. T. Sambanthan): Mr Chairman, Sir, with your permission, I would like to take Heads 139, 144 and 172 together.
item (i) of Under Head 139, Sub-head 39, Istana Negara, a sum of $40,000 was required to enable the Public Works Department to enter into contracts and to commit expenditure under Head 139, Sub-head 39, the Development Estimates, 1965, for the the renovations and alterations Istana Negara, including the provision of furnishings.

These works were found necessary and have to be completed before the installation of Duli Yang Maha Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda Yang di-Pertuan Agong.
The whole amount was advanced from the Contingencies Reserve in 1965. furniture and to A sum of $1.5 million was required the Development Estimates, under 1965, for Telecommunications, Head 144, Sub-head 67, Subscribers Network, to speed up the rate of installations of telephones.
With the completion of new exchanges and extensions at va rious parts of Kuala Lumpur in the near future, it is necessary to have extra provisions for connections to be effected to subscribers by the provisions of "Subscribers" Network.

This will cut down the waiting list to negligible pro portions.

This $1.5 million requested was to clear the waiting list and to ensure that the requests for telephone facilities could be met without much delay as had been experienced in the past.
The total amount was advanced from the Contingencies Reserve.

A total provision of $1.5 million was provided under Head 172, Sub head 10, of the Development Estimates, 1965 for following projects: the implementation of the Tawau—Kunak Road, Tawau—Semporna Road, and Plant Hive.

It was found necessary to construct another stretch of road of about 78 miles from Keningau to Sepulot; and as such only a token provision of $10 is required.
A sum of $200,000 was provided by means of virement to enable works to commence last year.

The Australian Government, following an agreement with the Government of Malaysia, is providing troops of the Royal Australian Engineers to con struct a 78 mile long road from Kenin gau to Sepulot in the southern region of Sabah.
The arrangement made between the two Governments is such that the Australian Army provides all mechanical equipment with opera tors and skilled craftsmen while the the Malaysian Government, an Sabah Government, amount of labour, bridging material, culverts and camp accommodation.

Being an extremely remote, unexplored, and jungle-covered country, the road costs have not been clearly determined.
However, additional funds were necessary in 1965, and the new item for this project was created, and it was possible to obtain funds from the existing provisions under the same Sub-head.

I would like to thank the Australian Government for their kind assistance.

through provides local unskilled Enche' Hussein bin To' Muda Hassan: Sir, I would like to speak in English, but please excuse my not very good English.
There is a kampong called Kampong Sega, which is about 15 miles away from Raub, and there is a rural telephone box over there.

When someone from that very kam pong wishes to make a call to Raub town itself, he has to call the Kuala Lumpur Exchange first, and then he can get the call to Raub and sometimes there will be a delay of one hour or two hours.

If one travels by car, one can go from that kampong to Raub within 20 minutes.
So, I think it is a waste of money, and it will cause hardship to the kampong people when- 6741 21 MARCH 1966 6742 they wish ever to make emergency calls, for example, to the Police, the Ambulance, or the Hospital, if they have to go round to Kuala Lumpur and then back to Raub.

So, I wish the Ministry would this case and shorten the length and should arrange to the Raub telephone operator.

Thank you very much.


them straight to connect investigate into spin the Minister Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Chairman, Sir, I am indeed grateful that the Mi nister has been able to get $1.5 million for this extension of a subscribers' net work.
As I pointed out this morning, the Telecommunications Department is a revenue earning Department and, consequently, the more you spend by way of capital development, the more you get by way of return; and if and in his wisdom when chooses to implement this 10 cents per call beyond the 100 calls, then it is not only making money, as I said this morning, but it will be spinning the numbers money as you around, the Telecommunications De partment literally spins money.
I am sure that most people who have applied for telephones and have to wait so long in frustration for the telephones will be very grateful, if more money of this nature will be spent, so that their wait ing time can be cut down.

I do not know whether the Minister knows that there are lots of frustrated people in Kuala Lumpur, who are waiting for their telephones.
The other day I had the occasion to ring up on behalf of a person who has applied for a tele phone, and to me was: the reply "Well, we cannot hope to satisfy that demand for the next six months at least".

Now, I do not know how difficult it is for the Minister of Works, Posts to persuade his ministerial colleagues to provide more money for work of this nature, since this is a revenue earning Department.
But if he can, naturally, the frustration of the people who can not get telephones will be eased a great deal.

and Telecommunications, Mr Chairman, Sir, I have asked a question for this session with regard to a telephone booth for Jinjang North Dalam.

The question reads: "Dr Tan Chee Khoon to ask the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications if he will consider providing the people of Jinjang North Dalam with a telephone booth as there is a need for it there".
Now, there is a not very enlightening reply, and I do not know whether the Minister that reply.

It says: is aware of "The provision of a public telephone at Jinjang is on the programme for telephone booths."

Now, that is not a very enlightening reply, because it says it "is on the programe".

The programme may well wait till 1970 to be implemented.

I would have hoped that the Minister in his own helpful way would give me a more definite date.
Since he has got $1.5 million will it not be possible during this year, for example, to provide a telephone booth for Jinjang North Dalam, which is a mile away, if not more, from the main road?

I have been told by the residents there that the need for it is real, because the population of Jinjang is 20,000.
It is the biggest new village in the Federa tion and I do hope that the Minister will, in his own helpful way, see to it that the people need not have to wait longer than "the provision of a public is on the pro telephone at Jinjang gramme for telephone booths."

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: With regard to the query raised by the Ho nourable Member for Raub, I would like to assure him that I will personal ly look into this.
I would like to agree one hundred per cent with the Member for Batu that any amount of money would be useful for the Department of Telecommuni cations, because it is a revenue earn ing department.
But then, we all have got to take our place in the budgetary allocation and, in fact, the $1.5 million that you find here was obtained after I personally interceded with the Minis ter of Finance, who kindly agreed with me that we were right that sub scribers, network should have priority over everything else, because we can have any number of micro-wave sta tions and cables but until you connect them to the subscriber you never get any money.
That point has been re cognised by the Treasury, and I feel 6743 21 MARCH 1966 6744 sure that in the years to come we will be able to provide more and more telephones.

Incidentally over the next few months, with the commissioning of new exchanges in Kuala Lumpur, Setapak, Petaling Jaya, and a couple of other places, we will be able to meet most of the demands in this area.
With regard to his request on the Jinjang telephone booth, the answer is worded like this, because I wanted to assure the Honourable Member that it is already on the programme, and I would personally look into this and see that he gets it as soon as possible.

That is all I can say, because there are a number of involved, amongst them being the provision of the booth itself and then again you have the State priorities.
But neverthe less I shall look into this—who knows if I were to tell him that I will give him that before the end of the year?

Would he be happy?

If he would be happy, then I will tell him.

factors tell Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Then I shall be able to go back to my constituents and the Honourable that Minister has solemnly promised me that they will get their telephone booth.

This is a request from them.

them Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: Then we shall all have a tea party at Jinjang some day (Laughter).
Question put and agreed to.

The sum of $40,000 for Head 139, the sum of $1,500,000 for Head 144 and the sum of $10/- for Head 172 agreed to stand part of the Develop ment (No.

3) Esti mates, 1965.

(Supplementary) Head 147— Mr Chairman: I now propose that the expenditure shown under Head 147 of (Supplementary) (No.

3) Estimates, 1965 be approved.

the Development Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Tuan Pengerusi, Kepala 147 Jabatan Penerbangan Awam, Malaya.

Chawa- ngan Kepala 33 baru.


Saham Sharikat Penerbangan Malaysia Berhad tamba- han $7,080,200.

Peruntokan sa-banyak sa-bagai tambahan $7,080,200 saperti mana yang di-tun- kapada jokkan Kepala 147 Pechahan Kepala 33 ia-lah di-kehendaki untok membeli $708,020 saham Sharikat Penerbangan Malaysia Berhad dengan harga $10 satu saham.

Menilek kapada harta dan ranch angan2 kemajuan, maka di-dapati Sharikat Penerbangan Malaysia Berhad ada-lah sangat kekurangan modal.
perpisahan, lebeh kurang $14 Sa-belum perpisahan Singapura dari- pada Malaysia, Kerajaan Malaysia telah bersetuju, buat sementara, hendak membeli saham baru sa-banyak $5 kedua2 juta.

Sa-lepas Kerajaan berchadang hendak membeli saham tambahan daripada Sharikat itu sa-banyak juta supaya kedua2 Kerajaan itu dapat memileki sa-bahagian besar saham di- dalam Sharikat Penerbangan Malaysia Berhad.
Pada 25hb Ogos, 1965 Jema'ah Menteri telah bersetuju supaya Kera jaan Pusat—Kerajaan Singapura— me mileki saham dalam Sharikat itu.

Daripada tambahan saham baru yang di-kehendaki bayaran semua draft capital sa-banyak $13,964,000, Kerajaan Pusat membeli sa-banyak $7,080,200.

Dengan pembelian tamba han saham2 ini Kerajaan Pusat, tidak termasok Kerajaan Sabah dan Sarawak bersama2 dan Kerajaan Singapura memileki lebeh daripada 60% saham2 dalam Sharikat Penerbangan Malaysia Berhad.
sama banyak Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $7,080,200 for Head 147 agreed to stand part of the De velopment (No.

3) (Supplementary) Estimate, 1965.

Question put, and agreed, "That this House resolves an additional sum not exceeding $16,785,621 be expended out of the Development Fund in respect of the financial year 1965, and that to meet the purpose of the Heads and the first and Sub-Heads set out second columns of the statement laid on the Table as Command Paper No.
5 of 1966, there shall be appropriated the sums specified opposite such Heads and Sub-Heads in the eight and ninth columns thereof."

in 6745 21 MARCH 1966 6746 House resumed.

(Mr Speaker in the Chair) Enche Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee has considered the motion referred to it and has agreed to it.

I accordingly move, Sir.


That this House resolves that an additional sum not exceeding $16,785,621 be expended out of the Development Fund in respect of the financial year 1965, and that, to meet the purpose of the Heads and Sub-Heads set out in the First and Second columns of the State ment laid on the Table as Command Paper No.

5 of 1966, there be appropriated the sums specified opposite such Heads and Sub-heads in the eight and ninth columns thereof.
Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Sir, I beg to second.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved.

That this House resolves that an addi tional sum not exceeding $16,785,621 be expended out of the Development Fund in respect of the financial year, 1965, and that, to meet the purpose of the Heads and Sub heads set out the First and Second columns of the Statement laid on the Table as Command Paper No.
5 of 1966, there be appropriated the sums specified opposite such Heads and Sub-heads in the eight and ninth columns thereof.

in Sitting suspended 6.45 p.m.


Sitting resumed at 7.08 p.m. (Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair) MOTIONS T HE CUSTOMS ORDINANCE, 1952 THE CUSTOMS DUTIES (AMEND MENT) ORDER, 1966 Enche Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move : That this House resolves that in accor dance with the powers vested in it by virtue the of sub-section (2) of section 10 of Customs Ordinance, 1952, the Customs Duties (Amendment) Order, 1966 which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

12 of 1966 be confirmed.


Honourable Members may recall that on the 9th of October last year a duty of 25 per cent was imposed on joss papers.

This duty was primarily in tended to protect domestic manufac turers of joss papers against cheap im ports, particularly from China.

Since the duty was imposed, the imports of joss papers have been consistently under-valued, thus thwarting the object of protecting our industry.
The Order which has been laid before the House seeks this practice of under-valuation by fixing the minimum duty payable on imported joss papers at 20 cents per pound.

Sir, I beg to move.

to overcome Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved.


That this House resolves that in accor dance with the powers vested in it by virtue of sub-section (2) of section 10 of the Customs Ordinance, 1952, the Customs Duties (Amendment) Order, 1966, which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

12 of 1966 be confirmed.

THE CUSTOMS ORDINANCE, 1952 THE CUSTOMS DUTIES (AMEND MENT) (NO.
2) ORDER, 1966 Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move: That this House resolves that in accor dance with the powers vested in it by virtue of sub-section (2) of section 10 of the Customs Ordinance, 1952, the Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.

2) Order, 1966 which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

13 of 1966 be confirmed.

The objective of this Order is to protect domestic manufactures against cheap imports of socks, particularly from China.
The Government is con vinced that socks manufacturers can exist in this country given the proper incentives and protection.

Sir, I beg to move.

Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

the this substance intention of Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Speaker, Sir, the particular of motion is in effect not much different from the previous motion which was passed.

Sir, I stand up only certain suggestion which Government may profitably consider.
Sir, it is not for me at this resent juncture to discuss to bring forward 6747 21 MARCH 1966 6748 these situated in our the merits of the demerits, politically, over the question of control of im port of products from other countries, particularly from China, particularly in view of the fact that the Govern ment has stipulated that its timely in tention is to protect the development of local industries.
Without any doubt, Sir, the development of local industries should be paramount in our interests, and we should do everything we can do to assist the development of in dustries country, particularly if these industries involve local capital and industries if provide for greater opportunities of employment for our people.
However, Sir, I do commend to the Government for consideration that the point of perhaps we may, from view of possible potential revenue sources, not prohibit through a Cus toms Ordinance the import of certain articles, but establish certain definite revenue tariffs against products, which are competitive against local products, so that the Government could possibly have a source of revenue and at the same time protect our own industries.
Sir, in completely general terms and I do so, in this instance, largely because the motion has been brought in in the name of the Minister of Finance; and although this is purely an administrative matter, I do hope that what I have already brought to the attention will be given due consideration.

this I commend the suggestion Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, in rising to speak on this motion, I too wish to re-echo what the Honour the Member for Tanjong has able that we should too, agree said.
I, industrialise and, the process of in industrialisation, by a Customs Order in we should naturally protect dustries that we have set up, so that they can be viable.

But, of course, such Customs Orders to protect local industries is a double-edged weapon, too much because protection, then the question of com petition local capitalists tend to jack up their prices.
Consequently, although industrialisa tion may undoubtedly provide em ployment for the working masses of if you give there, and is not the the it in over, think this country unfortunately, the process, if you protect it too much, the prices go up to the detriment of the consumer.

This has already been so and, as the Honourable Member for Tanjong has pointed out, there are lots of goods that are not only priced out of the market by a Customs Order, but cannot enter this country.
Now, I do not long-term wise that it is a good thing to prohibit entirely certain articles that can provide com petition for local industries.

Further more, if you protect local industries too much, they tend to become mono polistic, and that is a danger.

I com mend this to the Government because the world capitalist countries, are afraid of it.
In countries of capitalistic economy par excellence, for example in the United States of America, there are anti-trust laws and consequently the Ministry of Finance while naturally, at this stage it should try to protect local industries, it should not by means of Customs Orders create monopolies or by these Customs Orders enable the industries to make far too much profit the con sumer—and this is to my view only.

I notice that the Member for Penang Utara is absent.
He is a great champion of consumers in this Chamber.

Time and again he has warned the Govern ment against the consumer being the victim of industrialists jacking up their prices.

to the detriment of I do hope even that Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun untok menyokong usul ini dan saya ingin menarek perhatian Yang Berhormat Menteri Kewangan mengenai satu kilang perusahaan ubat nyamok (Blood Protection Co., Ltd.) di-Mak Mandin, Butterworth.
Kilang itu mengeluarkan ubat nyamok yang banyak dan sa- tanding dengan kemasokan ubat nya mok daripada luar negeri, tetapi kilang itu akan di-tutup pada akhir bulan ini dan pekerja2-nya di-beri notis untok berhenti.

Oleh yang demikian, saya merayu kapada Yang Berhormat supaya me- ngenakan chukai yang lebeh tinggi lagi 6749 21 MARCH 1966 6750 kapada ubat2 nyamok yang masok ka- dalam negara kita ini supaya perusa- haan kita dapat kejayaan dan dapat berdiri di-atas kaki mereka itu.
Oleh yang demikian saya berharap-lah Yang Berhormat akan mengambil perhatian supaya kilang nyamok di-Mak Mandin; dan juga di-Johor, kalau tidak silap saya, sudah pun di-tutup kerana per- tandingan yang hebat daripada ubat2 nyamok kemasokan daripada luar ne- geri.

Sekian-lah sahaja, Tuan Yang di- Pertua.

there is no competition: The Assistant Minister of Finance (Dr Ng Kam Poh): Mr Speaker, Sir, I am sure the Member for Tanjong and the Member for Batu have got the in terest of the consumers at heart.
So also have, I believe, very many Members of the Alliance bench.

However, in a changing situation, that is to change from a developing country, from a country that is producing raw materials, to a developed nation, one must change one's policy.

These customs duties are but an exercise in respect of the policies of the Ministry of Commerce and Industry.
There is argument, in fact, that we tend to be too monopolistic, in or that other words, we are protecting our baby so much that we tend to become not only capitalistic but also mono polistic in our views and our policies.

Mr Speaker, Sir, such a thing is not true, because the motto of our Party is free enterprise.

So, if we want to be monopolistic, how can we practise free enterprise?
The idea of the Ministry of Commerce and Industry and the Minis try of Finance in using these customs duties is only temporary in measure.

The main object is to protect an infant industry, so that it may grow, and when it is grown and flexes its muscles, I am sure then we can compete on equal basis.
At the present moment, with countries where the cost of labour is negligible and with our high standard labour of here is also high—how can we com pete on equal is why we have the prohibition order in the customs duty.

I can assure the two Members of the Opposition Benches that in due course, as suggested by living here—the cost of terms?
That two factories are infant the Honourable Member for Tanjong, revenue tariffs commensurate with the prices in this country will be introduced when one or in production and our industry has been brought to a level whereby we can compete with foreign nations.

We must not forget another factor and the balance of is foreign exchange.
If we have pro duction in this country and we, the consumers of this country, buy our goods here, we need not lose foreign exchange to another country, because imports of foreign goods always entail the question of foreign exchange.

factor that I hope I have made my explanation fairly clear, and the Members of the Opposition Bench will understand why we have to move these motions for prohibition or increased customs duties in this country.

Thank you, Sir.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That this House resolves that in accor dance with the powers vested in it by virtue of sub-section (2) of section 10 of the Customs Ordinance, 1952, the Customs Duties (Amendment) (No.

2) Order, 1966 which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

13 of 1966 be confirmed.


THE EXCISE ACT, 1961 (The Excise Duties Order, 1965) Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move: That this House resolves that in accor dance with the powers vested in it by virtue of sub-section (2) of section 7 of the Excise Act, 1961, the Excise Duties Order, 1965 which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.

14 of 1966 be confirmed.


Sir, the sole aim here is to consoli date all excise duties into one Order, so that future reference could be faci litated.

No change has been made to the rate in any of the items in the Order.

Sir, I beg to move.

Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menyokong.

Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Speaker, Sir, once again.


I would like to repeat that this particular motion, substantially in 6751 21 MARCH 1966 6752 intent and purpose, is no different from the two preceding motions.

However, we have fairly deliberately tempered our consideration of the motion in these stages.
For example, three different through with the first motion went no debate, the second motion went through with a certain degree of debate, which has to some extent enlightened the possibility of a debate on this third motion of a similar nature.
Sir, I would like to take up this debate on this particular motion from the expla nation that was given by the Honour able Assistant Minister of Finance, namely, that at some subsequent date the Government may well possibly consider the introduction of revenue tariffs of such a level, so that imported goods can be competitive in prices with I locally produced products.

Sir, reiterate the Opposition benches have every interest in helping the development of our own local industry.
that we in to told refer to naturally that no changes Sir, this particular motion differs somewhat from the other two in the words of the Honourable Mover, in that it consolidates existing excise duties.
I would like on this occasion, in view of the fact that the House has been in excise duties are actually proposed by this motion and this motion only provides for consolidation of the lists of subjects that are due for excise duties, this question of imports into the Comon Tariffs Area of products that are made in Penang Island.

Sir, there is very often that whenever we refer to products made in Penang, people think that we are referring in terms of the products that are made in the State of Penang.
The State of Penang consists of Province Wellesley, which the Common Tariffs Area, and the Penang Island which is the particular area which I am at the present moment concerned with.
This question of products made in and from Penang Island, because of the peculiar position of Penang Island, which to some extent is shared by Labuan, has led to a situation, whereby the producers and the local industrialists a misapprehension ten years for over in is have facing Island to how the rest of the big problem suffered in Penang grievously from a lack of direction as their products can be brought in into the Common Tariffs Area and to face fair, equitable and competition with products rational that are made the in Malaysian nation.
Sir, this House has already deliberated on very many occasions on ways and means as to how to alleviate the difficulties of the industrialists and the local manufac turers now existing in Penang Island.

Sir, these industrialists and these manufacturers is not only a question of how they can at the present moment compete with products that are made in the Common Tariffs Area but also what they should do.
Of course, there is the long outstanding political problem as to whether Penang should join the Common Market, or what is now called the Common Tariffs Area, and give up its free-port status, or whether so-called retain Penang should free-port status and suffer precisely from this type of excise difficulties.
That is a long controversial problem, and to take a resolve because the Honourable Prime Minister has himself very kindly enuciated in the policy of the Alliance Government that the people in Penang Island would never be forced to join the Common Tariffs Area, unless they so demonstrate that they wish to do so.

Nevertheless, Sir, the existing create many, many circumstances difficulties.
We have the Government, urged the Government, and pleaded with the Government on more than one occasion, to try and resolve the problem of the manufac turers and the industrialists in Penang Island, and one of the ways whereby we have advocated this resolution is to establish exactly for Government what Assistant Minister of Finance has just stated, namely, to adjust a special revenue for products made in Penang tariff Island for entry the Common Tariffs Area.
the Honourable advised it will time long into its Dr Ng Kam Poh: On a point of clarification, Sir.

I do not think I ever said such a thing.

What I said 6753 21 MARCH 1966 6754 from about imports was foreign time countries.

There might be a when we will be able to, to use the Honourable Member's own words, have revenue tariffs so that they can come in here and compete with our local goods.

I never said anything about Penang or the Mainland—they are in a common Customs Area, not a Common Tariffs Area.
a of the that tariff from revenue long-term possibility are made interests of in Dr Lim Chong Eu: Sir, this is what is generally accepted in Penang: in so far as tariffs are concerned and the Common Customs Area concept and the Principal Customs concept are concerned, the manufacturers and the local producers in Penang Island are treated no better—and, probably, invidiously as though they were part and parcel of a foreign nation.
And the is because we now have it opportunity to debate this issue, and in view of the fact that the Honourable Minister of Finance has advocated the the introduction, or probable introduction, of other countries which would equate prices from other countries and at the same the time protect the products Principal Customs Area, that I have taken this opportunity to enter this particular debate.
I am not trying to misquote the Assis the Honourable tant Minister of Finance, nor am I trying to impute that the Government's immediate policy is to introduce the system of revenue tariffs; nor am I try- in to anticipate that the Government will eventually subsequently introduce this revenue tariff.
All that I do say, Sir, is that we have advocated previously that one of the possible equitable solutions of the existing problems as we find them today, which confront the producers and the local manufac turers in Penang Island vis a vis their equivalent producers and manufac turers in the Principal Customs Area, to devise some is for Government tariff or excise protection, types of whereby goods produced in Penang Island can enter the Principal Customs Area and compete equitably with equivalent products that are produced in the rest of the Malaysia territory.
the tax like that things Sir, the basis of this argument is a simple one.

We say that Government with its tariff policies and its general excise policies should the raw materials that come in from foreign countries to Penang Island.

However, Sir, we have always protested very strongly finished products made in Penang Island should be taxed as an overall products.
This has gone on in respect of many, many items of products, ranging from jewel leries to soya sauce, from chopsticks to toilet paper, and that.
Now that this particular Bill deals with the consolidation of excise duties on goods, we feel that it is an appro priate occasion to again plead to the Government to set up some from of find out committee of enquiry to whether or not tariffs establish some regulations or on products that are manufactured from Penang and so that the manufac turers in Penang will not enjoy an undue advantage over the manufac turers that are producing in the rest of the territories in Malaysia and at the same time the manufacturers in Penang will not suffer a great and invidious disadvantage as compared to their fellow citizens in the rest of in a position no Malaysia and be better foreign countries.
than producers from is possible to it So, Sir, whilst I fully commend the Government on its scheme for conso lidating the list of excise products, I at the same time urge the Honourable Minister for Finance and the Govern ment once again to give every special consideration to incorporate the pro ductivity of the people of Penang with the rest of Malaysia whilst at the same time not going too deeply into the apparently insoluble controversy of free-port status and Principle Customs Area.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, this House has just heard a learned treatise on the trails and tribulations of Penang and its inhabitants,—how in the matter of customs and excise duties Penang is almost treated like a foreign country, or almost like an outcast in the Malaysia; and I do hope the Parliamentary Government, both that 6755 21 MARCH 1966 6756 Secretary to the Ministry of Finance and the Assistant Minister of Finance, will take note of the trails and tribula tions of manufacturers of Penang, whose case, has been so ably advocated by the Honourable Member for Tan jong.
Mr Speaker, Sir, I just wish to touch on another aspect of this thing and that is our relations in the matter of common tariff arrangements vis-a-vis Singapore.

As Honourable Members the 9th August, 1965, know, since Singapore no longer is in Malaysia Consequently, it is a foreign country.
But nevertheless, since we are so close together and since our destiny are inter-twined politically, militarily, socially, culturally, and economically, it does seem to me that in the matter of excise duties and customs orders we should try and find an amicable solution to what is now virtually an economic war.

I say this, because I do know that while Singapore needs cement, for example, and Malaya has excess of cement, we cannot send our cement to Singapore.
Conversely, there are products from Singapore that by virtue of a customs order or by virtue of excise duties they cannot send the goods into the Federation.

Now, it does seem not only to me but to the common man that these are incomprehensible things.

Here you have two territories: one produces the goods that the other needs and vice versa, and they cannot enjoy the benefits of the products of the ultimate each the manufacturer analysis not only suffers but also the common man suffers.
Mr Speaker, Sir, I do wish to impress on the Leaders sitting opposite me that the manufacturer, the man in the street, the consumer, has no part in such polemics that still continue to fly up and down the Causeway.

He is interested in the earning, of a decent living, in enjoying a decent standard of living, but because of these customs orders and excise duties, unfortunately, he is made to suffer.
I do hope that the Ministry for Finance will speedily come to a modus operandi, if not a midus vivendi, with Singapore in the matter of customs duties and excise orders.

territory, and in Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker, Sir, when I had a look at the motion before me, I find that it is a question of con solidating the excise duties.

I heard the Honourable Member from Tanjong talking of the Principle Customs Area and Penang being excluded.
That re lates to customs duties and I do not think that has anything to do with this motion.

I do not have to explain what is the difference between customs and the Honourable Member excise from Tanjong.

So, I think to that point in the debate, if it can be so called, I need not reply to.

to As for the Honourable Member for Batu, of course he makes plea—and so does the Honourable Member for Tan jong,—that we must have amicable solution to a Common Market and so forth.
I would not go into the intrica cies and the pros and cons for a Com mon Market, or whatever he may like to call it.

However, there is something called "give and take", which must be not only by Malaysia but also by Singa pore.

Who is right and who is wrong only history will tell.

The Honourable Member for Batu has not made a single concrete solution to the whole matter except saying that we must come to gether, we must have opus vivendi or opus operandi.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: modus operandi.


some of it to my Dr Ng Kam Poh: Your pardon, than mine is better your Latin {Laughter).

I left teachers and probably the Honourable Member it.

for Batu has kept As I said, Sir, he has not made any single effort to give a clear cut picture of the whole affair.

This is not cons tructive criticism, Mr Speaker, Sir, This is something which he wants to voice.

As I understand, the Honourable Mem ber from Batu is a man of extreme verbosity.
He likes to say a lot of things, but he must say things which are con crete and which will help to solve a problem and not just criticise or say, "You must do that this thing", without anything to substantiate the speech.

Furthermore, I would like to say that a Committee has been entrusted with a task of looking into thing and 6757 21 MARCH 1966 6758 the tariff arrangements with Singapore, if there is any help to the Honourable Member from Batu.
Sir, I hope that in future, when he comes to give a speech in this House, he would be more concrete and not talk in abstract terms and help the Government sincerely by saying that we should do this and this and how we should operate and move towards closer co-operation with Singapore.

I am sure the Government benches will only be too happy to hear from him such sin cere and concrete solutions to a very difficult problem.

Thank your Sir.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That this House resolves that in accor dance with the powers vested in it by virtue of sub-section (2) of section 7 of the Excise Act, 1961, the Excise Duties Order, 1965 which has been laid before the House as Statute Paper No.
14 of 1966 be confirmed THE INCOME TAX ORDINANCE, 1947—AMENDMENT TO FIRST SCHEDULE The Social and Welfare Services Lotteries Board Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move: That in accordance with the provi sions of Section 102 (1) of the Income Tax Ordinance, 1947 the Dewan Ra'ayat resolves that the First Schedule to the Ordinance be amended by the addition of the following item— "the Social and Welfare Services Lotteries Board;" and that such amendment shall have effect for the year of assessment 1962 and subsequent years of assessment.
Mr Speaker, Sir, the Social and Wel fare Services Lotteries Board was es tablished under the Social and Welfare Services Lotteries Board Ordinance, 1950.
Section 7 (2) of this Ordinance reads as follows: "The Minister may, from time to time, by order, permit the Board to promote a public lottery for the purpose of raising funds to be applied in aid of any named public philanthropic, charitable, religious or edu institution, body or cational organisation, service, or in carrying out any specified public, philanthropic, charitable, religious or educational scheme or project, or any work beneficial to the public, or for the improve ment of the social condition, or for the advancement of the welfare of the public or any class thereof in some specified way or ways," 1950, quoted The Board was therefore, a chari table institution within the meaning of Section 13 (1) (g) of the Income Tax Ordinance, 1947, and was exempt from income tax under that section.
All the words from "for the purpose" to the end in Section 7 (2) of the Social and Welfare Services Lotteries Board Or dinance, previously above, have now been repealed by the Social and Welfare Services Lotteries Board Act, 1962, with the result that the Board cannot now claim automatic exemption under Section 13 (1) (g) of the Income Tax Ordinance as a chari table institution.
Section 5 of the 1962 Act requires that the sums raised by lotteries except for certain named ex penses and payment, be paid into the Consolidated Fund.

Section 5 of the 1962 Act also provides that for aid to philanthropic, charitable or religious institutions, etc., payment shall be made out of monies appropriated by Parliament, of aggregate amounts equi valent to taking one year with another the amounts paid into the Consolidated Fund from sums raised by lotteries.
In other words, the Board is established for the purpose of raising money to be appropriated by Parliament for philanthropic and charitable purposes only.

It is, therefore, considered appro priate the Social and Welfare Services Lotteries Board should be included in the First Schedule to In come Tax Ordinance of 1947 and be exempted from income tax with effect from the year of assessment 1962. that Sir, I beg to move.

Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan Yang di-Pertua saya menyo- kong.
Enche' Ong Kee Hui: Mr Speaker, Sir, I rise just to raise a question arising out of what the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance has said concerning the work of the Social and Welfare Services Lotteries there was a press Board.
Recently, statement given by the Minister of 6759 21 MARCH 1966 6760 its operations Social Welfare in Sabah, who came along to the Federal Capital to see the Minister for Social Welfare, and what he stated was to the effect that the Social and Welfare Lotteries Board will be extending to Sabah and that—I suppose, as a gift to the Sabah people—$100,000 was to be given for a community hall.

I do not know whether this is correct.


If so, I would like, Mr Speaker, Sir, to ask the that Honourable Minister concerned is the position now with regard to the expansion of the Social and Welfare the Lotteries Board's operations State of Sarawak.

that negotiations had been carried out between his Ministry and the State Government, and I would be grateful if the Honourable the Minister could clarify this point.
to I believe The Minister for Welfare Services (Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan): Mr Speaker, Sir, in regard to the question put by the Honourable Member just now, negotiations with Sabah have already been completed; Sabah has already agreed for introduction the Social and Welfare Services of Lotteries is still under negotiation.

to Sabah, but Sarawak the Question put, and agreed to.
Resolved, That in accordance with the provisions of Section 102 (1) of the Income Tax Ordinance, 1947, the Dewan Ra'ayat resolves that the First Schedule to the Ordinance be amended item: — by the addition of the following "the Social and Welfare Services Lot teries Board."

And that such amendment shall have effect for the year of assessment 1962 and subsequent years of assessment.

ADJOURNMENT (Motion) Mr (Deputy) Speaker: The time is now 8.00 p.m.
I now call upon a member of the Government to move an adjournment of the House.

Dato' Haji Sardon: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move the House do now adjourn.

Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

ADJOURNMENT SPEECHES THE EMERGENCY (ESSENTIAL POWER) ACT, 1964 [Emergency (Suspension of Local Government Election) (Amendment) Regulations, 1965.]
Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Speaker, Sir, I seek the consideration and clarifica tion of Government on only one issue, and I shall not take up very much time of the House.

to Sir, like I would refer to Legal Notification immediately (Essential 312 entitled "Emergency Powers) A c t, 1964—Emergency (Suspension of Local Government Regula Elections) (Amendment) to tions, 1965", and Clause 3 of these Regulations.
in particular in As we all know, these Regulations did not go through the normal legis this lative processes of debate House, because as an Emergency proclamation enforced consequent to a speech made by the Honourable Prime Minister on the 1st of March, 1965, at a meeting of this House and gazetted as Regula tions on 19th August, 1965. they were Honourable Members will recall that about one year ago, on March 1st, the Honourable Prime Minister in addressing the Government's White Paper, entitled "A Plot Exposed", also the opportunity to announce the suspen sion of Local Government Elections under the Emergency powers.
this House on took Today, I am not arguing the pros the holding or the and cons of local elections.
I am suspension of not dealing with the the fears of people that the coincidental setting up of the Royal Commission of Inquiry on Local Elections may lead to the permanent elimination of local autho the rity elections, larger cities and the stock of the Alliance has failed to an all-time low, although this particular issue has recently been given a great publicity by an unwise choice of the promulgation of a timing in towns, where in particular, in 6761 21 MARCH 1966 6762 proposed Bill by the State Government in Penang.
Sir, I am not dealing also immediately with the desirability of restoring government local elections, in order to revitalise our rapidly weakening democratic institu tions.

these Sir, today, all that I wish to deal with is the question of the practical difficulties, which have arisen from the promulgation of the regulations suspending local elections.

We take it in good faith that the Government has as much interest as anyone else in preserving and upholding democratic institutions in this country.
We, therefore, expect the Government to sustain the principal of partisan politics in local authorities on the basic principle that in democratic govern ment there is a place for an elected ruling majority and that there is also a place proper for an elected minority opposition.
to suspend regulations Consequently, it is not too much for us to expect that in promulgating these local elections by exercising the totalitarian powers, which make the Emergency (Essential Powers) Act so obnoxious, Government would nevertheless make it at one evident that it still murtured the democratic principle of free elec tions, and that it also accepted the basis of partisan politics as an essential component of the democracy which we practise in this country.
Therefore, we considered that the Government would do everything it could to preserve the partisan elective ratios established by the last elections prior to the suspension order.
That is to say, Government would naturally want to uphold the popular will of the period of the people during local elections; and suspension of where last in elections there had been established, what the partisan elective ratio that there should be so many councillors from any one party to serve on the council, then that ratio should be maintained in spite of the suspension of local elections.
in any council I have called, the Since this is the crux of my plea I would like to make it as simple as like to see 10 Alliance if a possible.

For example, Sir, council had elected members, 2 U.D.P.

members and, say, 2 P.P.P.


members and 1 Indepen dent, then the partisan elective ratio would be 10: 2: 2: 1: The Alliance would not ratio altered during the period when elec their own tions are suspended by councillors crossing floor, or the their views, or becoming changing opportunist or breaking party discip line.
All these tactics are possible and can change the partisan elective ratio and, the thereby, upset and erode principle of partisan democracy- this So, we were fairly satisfied when during his speech on March 1st last year, the Honourable Prime Minister said—I must admit that this only a the speech copy of a transcript of made by Prime Minister, and it is possible that the Hansards might contain some small amendments—I quote: the Honourable "Now, the effect of this suspension"— the proposed suspension at that time—"will be that elected members will continue to retain their seats unless they are otherwise declared incapacitated or have voluntarily relinquished their seats.
Members who have died or who have resigned their seats, or who have been dismissed for misconduct, will be replaced by appointees made by the Ruler or from candidates submitted by the political party to which the original members belong.

In the case of Independents replacement will be made at the discretion of the Ruler or Governor-in-Council."

the Governor-in-Council suggested That, Sir, seemed quite and accepted elective ratio.
reasonable, that Government the principle of partisan However, Sir, when this statement was translated into the words of the Regulations—Legal Notification 312— we have a different set of circum stances altogether.
Clause 3 of the Regulations deals with the "filling of casual vacancies" and reads as follows: to "Notwithstanding anything the con trary contained in any other written law: — (1) whenever the seat of a Councillor shall become vacant by reason of his death, or his having been found or declared to be of unsound mind, then the following pro cedure shall be observed."
6763 21 MARCH 1966 6764 (a), and then Clause 3 goes (b) into sub Sir, clauses (c), which provide the details of the procedure for the filling of the vacancy of a member who is a member of a political party, or an Independent, or a nominated Councillor.

We have no objection these procedural sub-clauses.

As a matter of fact, we consider that these proce dural details are sound, and we give them our support.
to However, we do object to sub clause (2) which completely ignores the principle of the partisan elective ratio, and reads as follows: "Whenever the seat of a Councillor shall become vacant by reason of any other cause whatsoever (apart from those contained in Clause (1)) whether in respect of the seat of an elected or nominated Member, the State its discretion, appoint Authority may, any person qualified in accordance with regulation 4 of these Regulations to fill that vacancy."
in Sir, Regulation 4 is a matter of legal definition.

Sir, I maintain that this provision of sub-clause (2) in Clause 3 of Legal the Notification 312, goes against spirit of the the speech made by Honourable Prime Minister last year.

It will be recalled that he had said that even those Councillors "who have resigned their seats or who have been for misconduct" will be dismissed submitted replaced from candidates by the political party to which the original member belongs.
since Further, in practice, the promulgation of these Regulations, certain opportunistic politicians have the suspension of capitalised upon local elections to break party discip line and to hoist up the flag and colours of rampant opportunism.
In at least one instance, the shamefully flagrant bucking of party discipline- admittedly not my particular party former Socialist but Front—for sake of personal considerations had led to the complete reversal of the elective ratio and of the Council partisan concerned.

that of control the the of Because the Alliance Party controls all the State Legislatures and Govern ment, except that in Kelantan.
These revesals cannot affect the Alliance Party; nevertheless, I feel certain that the responsible leaders of the Alliance would not wish to see their members break party discipline with impunity, and that goes for all political parties.

At present Mr (Deputy) Speaker: You have seven-and-a-half than taken more minutes!

Dr Lim Chong Eu: Sir, I have very nearly finished.

I had to quote certain things, Sir.

Mr (Deputy) Speaker: But you are allowed only seven-and-a-half minutes.
Dr Lim Chong Eu: Am I to wind up, Sir?

Mr (Deputy) Speaker: All right, I will give you another one minute.
if to sub-clause 3 Dr Lim Chong Eu: Sir, I would like to suggest to the Government that it can preserve the partisan elective ratio and at the same time to carry out its to sustain the practice of intention democracy just the Government alters the clauses that are provided in these Regulations by deleting sub in toto and in its place clause (2) alter read, (1) "Whenever the seat of a councillor shall become vacant by any reason whatsoever, then the following proce dure shall be observed."
Sir, I feel that under the intention of the Government would be fulfilled, the Government wants to exercise in the suspension of local election will be achieved, and at the same time the Government will be doing a great service local in the preservation of democractic practice and at the same time sustain the growth of partisan democracy in our country.
those circumstances control which the Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, prior to the coming into force of the Emergency (Suspension of Local Government Elections) Regulations, local 1965, casual vacancies on a 6765 21 MARCH 1966 6766 authority will come about only for the following reasons: (i) Where a Councillor becomes disqualified for membership under paragraph the (2) of the Local First Schedule of Government Elections Ordi nance, 1960 (relevant Schedule could be the said Ordinance); found in (ii) On the death of a Councillor; (iii) Where a Councillor resigns his office; or the President of (iv) Where a Councillor, without leave of the Local Authority, is either absent from three consecutive ordinary meetings or fails during a period of three months to attend at any least once meeting of Standing Committee to which he may have been appointed.
is no Now, of these causes of casual vacancies, only death of the Council lor, or his having been found, or declared to be of unsound mind, are factors beyond his own control.

The other causes can fairly be said to be either his own acts, or brought about through the fault on his part.
It is, therefore, thought that^ while the party to which such Councillor belonged should not be put into any position of disadvantage, where the casual vacancy has not been brought about through any fault of such Councillor, there justification at all for maintaining the relative party strength in any local council, where any Councillor should of his own volition or by his own misdeeds create a casual vacancy.
It is, therefore up to each of such political party, if it is their desire to maintain the relative party strength in any local authority, to see that their party members are at all times doing their best and not out to do anything which ought not to be done in the public interest, and not be a rampant opportunist, borrowing a the Honourable Member for Tanjong.
Incidentally, in the examples quoted by the Honour able Member for Tanjong, these are cases in which the members of the term used by Opposition parties are involved, oppor tunist or non-opportunist, particularly the United Democratic Party.

They are people who realised and saw no in the Opposition ranks and future in have decided dependents or join the Alliance.
As for far as the Honourable Member is Tanjong dwindling so fast with leaders leaving the party that he is making this speech the in order situation.
is concerned, his Party to either become to save its Extreme care was taken in promul gating these Regulations to ensure take that no political party would advantage of the present suspension of local authority elections to peg in local authorities with persons of their party who would under the elective the ghost of stand system never chance of getting elected.
Our judg ment in this was proven correct when the United Democratic Party very recently their party members in local authorities to resign en bloc, probably to nominate in their stead persons who would create mischief once they get into the local authorities.

to get tried the that true.


But, suspension of The Honourable Member's conten tion local government elections somewhat tends to weaken party discipline is to some then, extent, I concede, other political parties, including the Alliance, are to that extent also at a disadvantage.
However, nothing can be done for the present but for each political party to maintain discipline among their ranks as best as they can and hope that the present Emergency situation would ease and make it possible local government elections throughout the country.

to hold I would like to end this by quoting from today.

the Straits Times of Under its third editorial headed "Enter D.A.P."
the Straits Times says, and I quote, "The registration of the Democratic Action Party over the week-end rings down the curtain on an unedifying little political me lodrama, and turns the Member for Bungsar, Mr Devan Nair, from a reluctant Indepen dent into a partv man.

Disproved is the charge that the Alliance Government is out 6767 21 MARCH 1966 6768 to prevent the emergence of an effective opposition."
that charge is out to prevent I quote these words again, "Disproved the Alliance is the Government the emergence of an effective opposition."

This is a fact quite unlike what is going on in our neighbouring coun tries.

The fact that the Honourable Member for Tanjong is speaking in is this House on this very subject testimony to this fact.
POSSIBLE MISUSE OF THE ES SENTIAL (CONTROL OF PUBLI CATIONS AND SAFEGUARDING OF INFORMATION) REGULATIONS Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, this Sir, in September, 1964 when House passed the Emergency (Essen tial Powers) Bill, 1964, many of us, and I was one of them, warned the Government against the abuse of the vast powers that the Government had sought and got.

We warned that the Government could in effect rule by decree, and this I see has been echoed by for the Honourable Member Tanjong.
And sure enough, last year we saw the Government invoking the Emergency P o w e r s) (Essential Act, 1964, to ban strikes, although at that time this House was about to meet, and on such a vital matter the Government could have sought the approval of this House to ban strikes.

But in its wisdom the Government chose to ignore this House and to rule by decree.
Happily better sense has now prevailed and the Govern ment has withdrawn the promulgations banning strikes and is finding out a modus operandi with the M.T.U.C.

Mr Speaker, Sir, on the 3rd of February, 1966, the new Essential (Control of Publications and Safe guarding of Information) Regulations were promulgated by the Minister of Home Affairs.

Was there any urgent necessity to do it that way rather than having it debated in this House first?
These regulations are so sweeping that they have given cause for grave concern to all who are concerned with the working of the Press.

These people now have a new occupational hazard, which carries the possibility of being imprisoned for three years and at the same time even be fined for the sum of $5,000 should they have a brush with these regulations.
The Minister at his press conference explained that the regulations were to protect the nation against the conse quences of wilful betrayal of the move security ments and deployment of forces and information on defence strategy.

So long as these regulations are to safeguard the security of the nation, they are reasonable, although nowhere in the regulations is defence strategy defined.
the clause the Minister is information What has given) rise to grave con cern to every editor, newspaperman and that correspondent protected includes "any other matters whatsoever which are considered by to be indirectly prejudicial or directly or the preservation of to detrimental public security or the maintenance of public order."

Here then is the rub.


The scope of this clause is so wide that any reports on police actions, the unrest of dissatisfaction or com plaints of the general public could be interpreted as being "indirectly preju dicial to the maintanance of public order."

There is no defence against ministerial decision that the informa tion published is prejudicial.
This clause, in effect has most news, and comments "protected" and unless cen sored by "competent persons" will ex pose the members of the press to the Regulations.

This virtually amounts to press censorship.

its I scope is too wide and too all embra cing, and so long as the manner of its application is in question, it will re main a source of grave concern.

As they stand the regulations have virtual ly gagged the press and this strikes at the very freedom of the press.
Apart from this, are there enough "competent authorities" to go round, and the lack of competent authorities to vet stories of newspapermen could hamstring the work of the press.

repeat that In this connection, Mr Speaker, Sir, I see that a "competent authority" as 6769 21 MARCH 1966 6770 defined in a later press statement, are so top level military men that I won der if they can ever have the time to vet stories of the press.
One obvious loophole is for an enterprising journa list to telephone his story from Kuala Lumpur, say, to the Reuters represen tative in Singapore, from there it can be flashed round the world and come back to Kuala Lumpur, even before the press can catch hold of a "compe tent authority" to clear the story.

Now this is a very serious state of affairs.


It can happen not only from Kuala Lumpur, it can happen from Penang, it can happen from Kuching, it can hap pen from Jesselton and, obviously, the Minister in promulgating the Regula tions have not thought of this loophole, and it is a very serious loophole.
Con sequently, Mr Speaker, Sir, I do hope that the Minister in his reply will tell us whether he intends to revoke the offending all embracing clause, or at least to tone it down, so as to assuage the genuine fears of the press.
The Minister of Home Affairs (Dato' Dr Ismail): Mr Speaker, Sir, the main object of the Regulations is to prohi bit the disemination and communica tion without permission of any pro tected information, and protected in formation is defined in the Regulations and includes matters, the information of which are likely to effect the defence and security of the nation.

The Regu lations are therefore specially intended to prevent breaches of security as well as wilful and deliberate misuse of pri vileges.
They seek to protect the nation the consequences of wilful against betrayal of security forces movement, or our defence strategy and develop ment.

In short, the Regulations are considered vital to the national security of a nation in a time of Emergency as the nation is now facing.

The Emer (Essential Powers) Act was gency passed by Parliament in September, 1964.
Under Section 2 of this Act, the Yang Di-Pertuan Agong may make any Regulation whatsoever which he con siders desirable, or expedient, for securing the public safety, the defence of the Federation, the maintenance of public order, and of supplies and ser vice essential to the lives of the com (Control of munity.
The Essential Publication and Safeguarding of Infor mation) Regulations, 1965, have there fore been made by the Yang Di-Pertuan Agong in exercise of the powers con ferred by him by Section 2 of the Emer gency (Essential Powers) Act 1964.
Apart from matters relating to infor mation on defence and operational mat ters of the nation, any other matters whatsoever which is considered by me to be directly or indirectly prejudicial or detrimental to the preservation of public order, or the maintenance of public order, comes within the defini tion of protected information.
Now, Sir, I know that the gentlemen of the Press are sensible and responsible people, and I am sure that they are in a position to judge whether a certain piece of news is indirectly prejudicial to the maintenance of public order.

However, I have designated a number of responsible persons known as the "competent authority" to exercise po wers and to perform duties under the the Regulations.
Should, press have any doubts as to whether a piece of news is indirectly prejudicial or not to the maintenance of public order, they are advised to contact any the competent authority member of for immediate clearence.
therefore, As regards the query by the Honour able Member as to what is there to to prevent an enterprising newsman telephone his story to a neighbouring country and from there is flashed round the world, all I can say is that if the story the enterprising newsman is flash ing round happens to be protected in formation he is taking a very great risk in the sense that he is committing an offence under the Regulations.
Finally, Sir, I am afraid I cannot oblige the Honourable Member by giv ing his the assurance that I would withdraw, or amend, or tone down the relevant part of the Regulations which he mentioned.

I believe that it is the exercise of the power that is more im portant than what is written.

If the Honourable Member or the gentlemen of the press can point out to this House that I have or will abuse the powers then I stand in this House to be cen sored.
Adjourned at 8.30 p.m. 6771 21 MARCH 1966 6772 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE AND CO-OPERATIVES Checking System 1.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Agriculture and Co-opera tives if he is aware that the checking system of the Agriculture Department was criticised by Enche' Wan Yahaya the bin Pawan Teh, President of Sessions Court, Kuala Lumpur in November, 1965, and if so, what steps have been taken to improve the check ing fraudulent practices.
system and prevent The Minister of Agriculture and Co operatives (Tuan Haji Mohd.

Ghazali bin Haji Jawi): The criticism referred to was made by the President of the Session Court, Kuala Kangsar and not Kuala Lumpur.

This case concerns the office of Agriculture, Kuala Kangsar, which is a State Department.

Action has since been taken by the appropriate Authority in the State to ensure that the F.G.O's are the provisions strictly adhered to in future.

in Rent Control on Padi Land 2.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Agriculture and Co-opera tives to state if he is aware of the clamour by padi the Government should impose rent control on padi land so that farmers could be protected from unscrupulous landlords, and if so what action he proposes to take.

farmers that (Control of Rent inadequate.

Therefore Tuan Haji Mohd.


Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: Government is fully aware that the Padi the existing provisions of Cultivators and Security of Tenure) Ordinance, 1955 are said Ordinance has been reviewed by a team of experts comprising of Professor Eldon D. Smith and Dr Peter R. Goethell whose services were made available by the Ford Foundation.

The the findings and recommendation of report have been studied by a commit tee of officials.
The report together with the the comments of the committee have to all State Govern been forwarded ments for their views.

As soon as replies are received the report will be submitted for to consideration.

the Government Double Cropping of Padi 3.


Enche' Thomas Kana asks the Minister of Agriculture and Co-opera tives whether in view of the fact that Sarawak State has made little or no progress at all in the field of padi planting, he would consider introducing into double cropping of padi yearly Sarawak as has been done in Malaya.

Tuan Haji Mohd.

Ghazali bin Haji Jawi: Preliminary steps have already been taken with a view to the early introduction of double-cropping of padi in Sarawak.
The Division of Agriculture of my Ministry has sent Malinja and Mahsuri padi seeds to the Department of Agriculture in Sarawak for necessary trials and experiments to find out the suitability of two strains of padi for double-cropping there.

introducing these MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND INDUSTRY Co-operative Rice Mill Society bahawa terdiri-nya 4.
Enche' Tama Weng Ting«ang Wan bertanya kapada Menteri Perdagangan ada-kah Kerajaan dan Perusahaan sedar sa-buah sharikat Kerjasama Kilang Padi Kera tahun 1964 di-Kampong jaan dalam Long Ikang, Baram menghalang kema- juan Sharikat Kerjasama Kilang Padi Tempatan yang telah sedia ada semen- jak tahun 1954, dan tindakan2 yang demikian oleh pehak Kerajaan ada-lah bertentangan dengan dasar tegas Kera jaan untok membantu dan menggalak ra'ayat bumiputera menchapai kema- juan ekonomi, dan jika sedar, apa-kah tindakan Kerajaan berchadang hendak ambil untok membantu ra'ayat bumi putera dalam perkara ini.
Menteri Perdangangan dan Per usahaan (Dr Lim Swee Aun): Tidak.

Saya tidak sedar bahawa penubohan sa-buah Sharikat Kerjasama Mengilang 6773 21 MARCH 1966 6774 Padi di-Long Ikang menghalang kema- juan Sharikat Kerjasama Mengilang Padi tempatan.

If Mr Hauge accepts the appoint ment it is expected that he will start work not later than June 1966.
Sa-takat mana yang telah di-beri- tahukan kapada saya oleh Jabatan di- Kemajuan Sharikat Kerjasama Sarawak, Sharikat Kerjasama Mengi lang Padi itu telah di-tubohkan sa- mata2 menurut kemahuan kebanyakan daripada pendudok Long Ikang.

teliti Penyiasatan yang telah di- jalankan oleh Jabatan Sharikat Ker jasama mengenai' untong rugi-nya mengadakan Sharikat Kerjasama Me ngilang Padi itu dan untok menentukan kehendak pendudok Long Ikang.
Dari pada penyiasatan ini, nyata-lah sa- buah Sharikat Kerjasama Mengilang Padi di-perlukan yang akhir-nya di- tahun 1962.

Pada tubohkan dalam masa itu tidak ada Pertubohan Ker jasama yang Ikang.

Bagaimana pun, Jabatan Sharikat Ker jasama sedar akan ada-nya semenjak tahun 1954 lagi sa-buah Kilang Padi persendirian yang telah di-mileki oleh sadikit orang sahaja.
lain di-Long Penubohan Sharikat Kerjasama Me ngilang Padi di-Long Ikang ada-lah sesuai dengan dasar Kerajaan hendak menggalakkan gerakan Sharikat2 Ker jasama yang bertujuan terutama-nya membaiki kedudokan ekonomi semua ra'ayat Malaysia, khas-nya ra'ayat bumiputera.

Mr E. H. Hauge 5.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Commerce and Industry whether Mr E. H. Hauge has accepted appointment as Head of F.I.D.A.
; if so, when will he start work and whether local officers of high calibre will be seconded to understudy Mr E. H. Hauge.

Dr Lim Swee Aun: Mr E. H. Hauge has not officially accepted the appoint ment as Head of F.I.D.A.

However, during his recent visit to Malaysia the terms and conditions of his appoint ment were discussed.

As a result of this discussion the terms and conditions of his appointment have been revised.
My to Mr Hauge Ministry has written indicating the revised terms and condi tions and is waiting for his reply.

It is suitable Mr Hauge.

the intention local officer to appoint a to understudy Rubber Research Institute 6.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Commerce and Industry to state if the job of Director R.R.I, has been filled, and the successful candidate.
if so, who is Dr Lim Swee Aun: Mr B. C. Sekhar, Head of the Chemical Division of the Rubber Research Institute of Malaya, has been appointed Director with effect from 1st April, 1966.

MINISTRY OF CULTURE, YOUTH AND SPORTS National Youth Pioneer Corps 7.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports when the National Youth Pioneer Corps will be established and whether he will give an assurance to this House that the Youth to be recruited and trained under this scheme will not be selected on a political basis, i.e.

that they will not mainly be picked the U.M.N.O., M C A. and M.I.C.

Youth.
Youth.

from The Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports (Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra Al-Haj): This Ministry has now finalised arrangement for, the establish ment of the National Youth Pioneer Corps and it is hoped that this Corps will begin operation sometime in June, i.e.

as soon as the Officers have been recruited and given special training at the National Youth Training Centre, Peretak, Kuala Kubu Baharu.
The Honourable Member can rest assured that the selection to participate in the National Youth Pioneer Corps will not be based on political affilia tions.

It will be based entirely on the choice of the right type of young man to be given the training in trade.

MINISTRY OF EDUCATION Teacher—Training Courses 8.
Enche' Tama Weng Tinggang Wan bertanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran, 6775 21 MARCH 1966 6776 daripada wang sa-banyak $3,173,024 yang di-untokkan bagi latehan Guru Sekolah Rendah bagi tahun 1966, ada- kah dia akan menimbangkan supaya di-beri peluang kapada anak2 Negeri Sarawak yang sekarang mengajar di- kawasan pedalaman Sarawak untok latehan guru di- menjalani kursus seberang laut, kerana tiada sa-orang pun di-antara mereka yang pernah men jalani kursus latehan guru yang lanjut.

Menteri Pelajaran (Enche' Mohd.


Khir Johari): Kemudahan2 boleh di- adakan bagi 15 hingga 20 orang guru dari Sarawak untok menjalani latehan di-Maktab2 dan Pusat2 Latehan Guru Sekolah Rendah dengan sharat Kera- jaan Sarawak sanggup membayar per- belanjaan kursus latehan itu.

Higher School Certificate Classes that there is no qualified botanist for the Upper Six Science Class at Kuantan, and if so, as to what steps he has taken to remedy these shortages.

Enche' Mohd.
Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari: On the results of the 1965 Sixth Form Entrance Examinations, only 33 pupils could be considered to Lower for admission Sixth Form Science Class and, there fore, only one such class was opened in Pahang.

There is already a qualified graduate the Sixth Form School in Kuantan.

teacher of Biology at 11.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Education if he is aware that Klang, the fourth largest town in Malaya, has no Sixth Form Classes and that there is a big clamour for it, and if so, to state when he will provide Sixth Form Classes for Klang.

9.
9.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Education if he is aware of the statement made by Enche' Jek Yuen Thong, Minister of Labour, Singapore, at the Chua Chu Kang Community Centre on 5th February, 1966, in reference to the situation in Malaya that there were more Malay students with the H.S.C.

Category C entrance examination, but "somebody" with a stroke of the pen ordered that these Category C students become Category B and were duly admitted to the H.S.C.
classes while Category B students become Category C and there was no opportunity for them to enter the H.S.C.

classes.

results in Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari: I am aware of the statement referred to but I can assure the Honourable Member that this allegation is false and ground less and is typical of the viciousness of Singapore Ministers in their attempt to paint others black in order to make themselves appear whiter.
I would like to state categorically that there is no racial discrimination in any form in all the examinations conducted by my Ministry.

10.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Education if he is aware that there is only one Science Class at H.S.C.

level for the whole of Pahang.

and if so, whether that is not totally inadequate; also whether he is aware that the fact in view of Enche' Mohd.
Khir Johari: I am is no Sixth Form aware there Class in Klang and also that there has been a demand for these classes; but that only 23 science candidates and 13 arts candidates from the Klang area quali fied for admission to the Sixth Form in 1966, it is not considered economical and justified to establish separate Sixth Form Classes for the town of Klang.

Consideration will however be given to the establishment of Sixth Form Classes there when sufficient candidates qualify for admission to them.
Lower Certificate of Education 12.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Education for an elabora tion of the Lower Certificate of Education system which his Ministry has received.

the complaints against Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari: My Ministry receives very few complaints about candidates not being satisfied with the their results.

In each case results are re-checked before a reply is given.
There are also appeals for rescrutiny and for aggregate results in case of illness, etc., and these too are dealt with promptly.

Newspapers in Malaysia Hall 13.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Education to state if he is 6777 21 MARCH 1966 6778 aware that there is a dearth of news papers from Malaysia in Malaysia Hall and what is the reason for supplying Malaysia Hall with newspapers in English only; and whether he will also into the question of supplying look Malaysia Hall with other newspapers, e.g.

Berita Harlan, Utusan Melayu, Nanyang Sian Pau, Sin Chew Jit Pan and Tamil Nesan.

Enche' Mohd.
Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari: There is no dearth of Malaysia newspapers in Malaysia Hall, which is provided with Straits Times, Sunday Mail, Straits Budget, Berita Harian, Sabah Times, Sarawak Tribune, Sin Chew Jit Pau, and Utusan Melayu.

Tamil Nesan is not made available as there are very few Malaysian students in London who can read Tamil.

Scholarship Students 14.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Education if he is aware that some scholarship students who are regarded as Ph.
D. material have been forced to return to this country after they have gained their basic degree with flying colours, and that such brilliant to do if given the chance students further post graduate work will go a long way towards filling vacancies in the University of Malaya, and if so, what steps he proposes to remedy this situation.

to take Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari: I am not aware that scholarship students spon sored by my Ministry who are of good Ph.
D. material and are outstanding in their fields of study at degree level have as a rule been forced to return home after gaining basic degrees.

The policy of my Ministry has been to allow outstanding scholarship students, who have been recommended by their universities and the scholarship autho rities, to continue with post graduate studies after taking into consideration the particular needs of the University of Malaya and other in this country.
institutions Association of Passed Students of Tamil Teachers Preparatory Examinations 15.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Education if a settlement has been reached with the Association of Passed Students of the Tamil Teachers Preparatory Examinations.

If so, to state what are the conditions of the settlement.

If not, what are the reasons for the non-settlement of this dispute.

Enche' Mohd.
Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari: This Ministry has offered the students who had passed the Preparatory Examina tion for Tamil/Telegu teachers, teacher training facilities with a relaxation in the age limit to enable them to enter the Day Training Centre, provided they passed the LCE/SRP by 1968.

Their request to have the LCE/SRP in Tamil could not be entertained as this is contrary to the National Educa tion policy and the Education Act, 1961.

National Language 16.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Education if he is aware the National Language Action that Front has urged Radio Malaysia to stop Broadcasting in English except in its overseas service, and that such bigoted action is more likely to drive the people away from National Language, and if so, what does to do regarding this call.

the Government the study of intend Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari: I am aware of the call made by the Front.
I am sure the Honourable Member will agree with me that this is a free and democratic country and any one is therefore free to pass any resolution or take any action within the law.

fact 2.

The that until the English service in Radio Malaysia is going on as usual by itself explains Government's policy.

today the 17.
today the 17.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Education whether in creasing the time spent on teaching the National Language in primary school 140 minutes to 230 minutes a week will adversely affect the teaching of other subjects, e.g., English, Chinese, etc.

If the answer is "Yes", will he please state what arrangements have been made to see that the teaching of other subjects does not suffer.

6779 21 MARCH 1966 6780 in Enche' Mohd.


Khir Johari: The increase in time spent on the teaching of the National Language in English- medium Primary Schools from 140 to 230 minutes was affected by the reduc the the tion teaching of optional and should not adversely affect the teaching of subjects like English or Chinese.

Besides, as only minimum times are schools may prescribed, heads of increase the time for any specific sub ject should they so find it necessary.
for subjects time available It should also be borne in mind that as time goes on the importance of the National Language is therefore in the interest of the children themselves they should get a proper grounding of the language at the primary level to prepare themselves for secondary education later on.

increases.

that It Teachers 18.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Education if he is aware teachers that his proposal to license has antagonized teaching the whole profession, and if so, whether he will quietly drop this proposal.

to that license in mind about Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari: I am aware that there is some opposition to teachers.
It the proposal should be pointed out teachers are at present required to be registered or be in possession of permits to teach, except where otherwise exempted, before they can teach in school.

What I have licensing of in the embroyonic teachers stage but it relates principally to some form of incentive for teachers to up grade their qualifications fairly regularly.
However, the whole matter will be exhaustively studied and the views of teachers organisations teacher taken into consideration before a final decision on this question is if made by me.

is still and Examination Results 19.
Enche' Thomas Kana asks the Minister of Education whether he is aware that the results of the Sarawak Schools Common Entrance Examina tion (the Final Examination of Primary Six for promotion to Form One) show a very alarming state of affairs, especially in the rural schools, where the percen tage of failures is from 95% to 98% the ages of those who failed (boys and girls) are between 11 and 12 years who either cannot be admitted back to their former schools or afford to private schools because their parents are mostly poor, so that they are left to idle about, if so, whether he will kindly consider a way to solve this unfortunate affair.
to go the that Enche' Mohd.

Khir Johari: I am the Honourable Member has afraid in accurate based his question on information, I would like to inform the Honourable Member total percentage of pupils selected for Form One at the beginning of 1966 exceeds the state target of 30% and that the percentage of students promoted to Form One from rural schools at 26% compares favourably with the state average of 31%.

Some schools with poor results are to be found in both urban and rural areas.
One example of a good rural school is Kampong Teh which produces 88% passes.

It is erroneous to allege that pupils who failed Primary Six have all left schools.

At present rural pupils are allowed to repeat Primary Six in far greater numbers than urban pupils in Sarawak.

MINISTRY OF HEALTH Health Centres dia itu di-lawati biasa-nya 20.
Enche' Tama Weng Tinggang Wan bertanya kapada Menteri Kesihatan ada-kah akan menimbangkan supaya di-dirikan pusat2 kesihatan yang tetap di-kampong2 yang jauh ka-dalam di-sapanjang Sungai Baram daripada tiap2 tempat2 bulan oleh kakitangan2 jabatan per- ubatan; dan juga nyatakan dengan khusus-nya ada-kah dia akan menim bangkan sa-buah supaya di-dirikan pusat kesihatan di-Long Ikang bagi kemudahan penghuni2 rumah panjang di-Long Banyuk, Long Kiput dan Lugan Sebong, yang berdekatan dengan Long Ikang.
Menteri Kesihatan (Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin): Oleh kerana wang yang 6781 21 MARCH 1966 6782 ada itu terhad jumlah-nya dan juga di- sebabkan kekurangan kakitangan yang terlateh, maka tidak dapat bagi Kemen- terian Kesihatan menyediakan pusat2 rawatan luar bandar saperti gudang2 ubat, bagi semua kampong2 yang besar dan rumah2 panjang di-Negeri Sarawak, Keutamaan ada-lah di-beri kapada kawasan2 yang tidak ada kemudahan2 terhad ke perubatan atau tempat2 mudahan2 yang di-beri, dan yang tidak ada perhubongan.
Dan juga jumlah pendudok2 yang mendapat faedah daripada sa-sabuah gudang ubat ini di-ambil kira juga apabila menentu- kan keutamaan ini.

sangat ini, berhampiran Long Ikang terletak pada Sungai Baram di-antara Marudi dengan Long Lama, sadikit tetapi (kira2 18 batu dengan Long Lama jauh-nya).

Marudi memang telah ada sa-buah rumah sakit tempatan yang mempunyai 25 buah katil.
Long Lama dapat perkhidmatan2 dari sa-orang tetapi Dresser Ulu pada masa ranchangan siap untok telah pun menubohkan sa-buah gudang ubat di- tahun 1966/1967, Long Lama pada dalam Pembantu jagaan siap kelak, Rumah Sakit.

Apabila gudang ubat di-Long Lama ini akan melayan kehendak2 pendudok2 luar bandar yang tinggal di-ulu dan hilir Long Lama, termasok Long Ikang.
Jika sa-saorang sakit perlukan pemerek- saan yang lebeh teliti lagi, dia boleh di-hantar oleh Pembantu Rumah Sakit yang menjaga gudang ubat Long Lama itu pergi ka-Rumah Sakit Tempatan di-Marudi yang ada kemudahan2 X-ray dan ma'mal.
sa-orang Ada-lah di-rasai bahawa penubohan sa-buah gudang ubat di-Long Lama akan meringankan banyak daripada kesulitan2 yang di-alami oleh pendudok2 luar bandar dalam kawasan Long Ikang, dengan chara mendapatkan segera rawatan perubatan untok jenis2 penyakit yang lebeh berat lagi yang berlaku dalam masharakat ini.

Legal Assistance 21.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health to state what his Ministry has done to meet the claims of the Union of Government Health and Medical Drivers in particular with regard to their claim to legal assistance in case of accidents.

Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: Since this subject affects all drivers in the Ministry of Government Service Health alone cannot decide on the claims submitted by the Union.

The Government is at present actively con sidering the subject.
Shortage of Doctors 22.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health if he is aware of the "dire need" of another doctor in the District Hospital, Kampar, and if so, what steps he has taken to remedy this shortage of doctors there.

Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: I am aware of the need of another doctor in the District Hospital, Kampar.

There is a general shortage of doctors, and consideration to post one to this Hospital will be made as soon as practicable.

23.
23.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health if he is aware of a complaint by Enche' Tan Kok Chee, an elected member of the Muar Town Council, that he was examined by a clerk in the hospital in November, 1965 and then asked to go home without seeing a doctor, and if so, what steps he has taken to relieve the shortage of doctors in the District Hospital, Muar and stop such a practice.

Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: I am aware of the complaint by Enche' Tan Kok Chee through the newspaper.
It is learnt subsequently that Enche' Tan was examined by a Senior Hospital Assistant and not by a clerk as alleged.

Regarding the shortage of doctors in the Muar Hospital, more doctors will be sent to Muar as soon as they are available.

the 24.
the 24.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Health what progress has been made regarding the immediate up grading of about 20 doctors to the superscale grade and allowances for doctors who have to work extra hours in district hospitals, and whether he is aware that unless these proposals are 6783 21 MARCH 1966 6784 there will pro implemented quickly bably be more resignations of medical officers from the Government service.
to for Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: the Ministry of Health has already for warded the its recommendations Government the up-grading of various superscale posts as well as the increase in the number of such posts.

All doctors are Division I officers and therefore they are not eligible for over time allowances under G.O.

The third question is hypothetical.

25.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health to state what assis tance if any private doctors can expect to get from his Ministry if they decide to build private hospitals; whether he is aware that recently an application by the Private Medical Practitioners' Association of Selangor for the pur chase of saline and dextrose injections from the Government Medical Stores has been turned down by his Ministry, and if so, how does he justify this non co-operation with his clarion call to private doctors to build hospitals.
Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: Government will consider assistance based on the merits of each case.

I am aware of the application made by the Private Medical Practitioners' Association of Selangor for the pur chase of saline and dextrose injections from Government Medical Stores.

It has been turned down because these local supplies are available is market.

However the Government always willing to sell to private prac titioners medical supplies which are not available in the market.
the in Christ Hospital 26.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health if he is aware that Christ Hospital of Methodist Church in Kapit is in serious financial trouble, being badly hit by taxes on drugs, and if so, whether he will state if the Cen tral Government is prepared to assist Christ Hospital in every way possible.

Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: The Ministry of Health the financial difficulties experienced by this is aware of hospital.
The Ministry of Health has been assisting this hospital annually to the extent of $7,500 and for 1966 the financial assistance will be doubled.

Other forms of financial assistance are being considered by Government.

Mental Patients 27.
Mental Patients 27.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health if he is aware of the fact that last month two mental cases in straight-jackets were sent by train from Kluang Railway Station to the Mental Hospital at Tampoi, and if so, whether he will give an assurance that in future all such cases should be conveyed in special closed vans.

Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: Normally mental patients or violent mental cases after sedation are sent in covered vans to Tampoi Mental Hos pital under escort.
The "quiet" mental cases are sent by train under escort.

In they were violent while on the way to Tampoi Mental Hospital and straight-jackets had to be used.

instance, this Blood Bank, General Hospital Kuala Lumpur 28.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health if he is aware that there is a shortage of trained labora tory assistants and equipment at the Blood Bank, General Hospital, Kuala Lumpur, and if so, what steps he has taken or proposes to take to make good such deficiencies.
Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: There is a shortage of trained labora tory assistants not only at the Blood Bank, General Hospital, Kuala Lum pur, but generally all over the country.

To overcome this general shortage of laboratory assistants, the Ministry is training more of this category of officers.

The Ministry is also steadily building up the Blood Bank Service at the General Hospital, Kuala Lumpur.

29.
29.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Health if he is aware that Dr Puran Singh, who has been sent to United Kingdom to be trained in Blood Bank work has to be in-charge of the health of the prisoners in Pudu 6785 21 MARCH 1966 6786 Jail, medical examination of National if so, as Servicemen, etc., and this to be an appears improper use of medical talent, whether Dr Puran Singh will be asked to do only Blood Bank work where there is enough work to keep him busy.
Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: The Medical Officer-in-Charge of the Blood Bank, Kuala Lumpur, has to take on additional duties in view of the general shortage of doctors.

As soon as the doctor situation improves, these duties will be revised.

MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS Dr Burhanuddin 30.


Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah bertanya kapada Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri, benar-kah atau tidak bahawa Dr Burhanuddin, Yang di- Pertua Agong Parti Islam Setanah Melayu, sakit dan sekarang ini sedang di-rawat di-Hospital Umum, Batu Gajah, Perak, dan apa-kah penyakit- nya.
Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri (Dato' Dr Ismail bin Dato' Haji Abdul Rahman): Dr Burhanuddin telah di- masokkan ka-dalam Rumah Sakit, Batu Gajah pada 5hb Oktober, 1965 kerana mengidap penyakit buasir dan susah buang ayer kechil.

Satu pem- belahan kechil telah pun di-jalankan pada 17hb November, 1965, di-atas penyakit buasir-nya, dan pada masa ini penyakit semboh semua-nya.

itu hampir2 Keadaan penyakit buang ayer kechil- nya belum lagi semboh dan maseh di- rawat.

ada-kah 31.
ada-kah 31.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah bertanya kapada Menteri Hal Ehwal penyakit Dalam Negeri Dr Burhanuddin dari makanan2 yang tidak sempurna yang tempat di-beri kapada-nya di-dalam atau dari tahanan di-Batu Gajah layanan yang tidak baik.

akibat itu Dato' Dr Ismail: Penyakit Dr Bur hanuddin bukan akibat dari makanan2 layanan yang tidak sempurna atau yang tidak baik.

Makanan2 yang di- beri kapada orang2 tahanan ada-lah sukatan makanan mengikut scales) yang pehak Kementerian Kesihatan.
(diet telah di-tentukan oleh 32.
Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah bertanya kapada Menteri Hal Ehwal tidak Dalam Negeri benar-kah atau bahawa pada mula sakit-nya Dr Bur hanuddin di-rawat dalam wad Kelas III, dan sa-telah di-terangkan kesalahan ini kapada pehak yang tertentu baru- ka-dalam wad lah Kelas I. di-pindah-nya boleh di-masokkan Dato' Dr Ismail: Menurut dasar yang berkuat-kuasa sekarang sa-orang taha nan yang bukan Ahli Parlimen atau Ahli Dewan Undangan Negeri dan yang sakit dan perlu di-rawat di- Rumah Sakit di-masokkan ka-Wad Kelas III.
Walau bagaimana pun ia- ka-Wad nya Kelas I atau II dengan sharat ia-nya sanggup membayar segala perbelanjaan yang di-kenakan.

Dr Burhanuddin telah di-masokkan ka-Rumah Sakit 1965, di-Wad pada Kelas III.

Kemudian ia-nya di-pindah- kan ka-Wad Kelas l l hb Oktober, kerana Ini keadaan penyakit-nya dan juga meng ikut permintaan-nya sendiri.

I pada ia-lah 5hb Oktober, 1965.

Police Inspectors 33.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Home Affairs what was the outcome of the threat by more than 1,100 men and women police inspectors of the Royal Malaysian Police Force to resign en-bloc if their salary claims settled, and were not satisfactorily whether he is aware that if this threat were carried out it would have disas trous consequences on the maintenance of law and order in Malaysia.
Dato' Dr Ismail: I would like to put this matter of the salary claim by the Police Inspectors straight.

On 23rd March, 1964 the Staff Side of the Police Council, which is appointed by the Joint Central Committees of the Senior and Junior Police Officers' Associations submitted to the Official Side of the Council a claim for salaries of Police Inspectors in the States of Malaya to be revised.
At the Joint Meeting of the Police Council held in May, 1964, the 6787 21 MARCH 1966 6788 Official Side informed the Staff Side that the claim of the salary revision should be referred to the Special Com mission on Salaries in accordance with a decision made by Cabinet.

The Staff Side held the view that the claim should be negotiated in the Police Council in accordance with the Constitution of that Council.
In October, 1965 the Joint Central Committee of the Senior Police Officers' Association addressed the Prime Minister requesting for an interview for the purpose of obtaining reconsideration of the decision made by Cabinet.

This interview was granted and the Committee met the Prime Minister on 1st December, 1965.

As a result of this interview, the Prime Minister directed that the matter should be and Cabinet decided that the salary claim the Police should be negotiated Council.
referred back to Cabinet in I am not aware officially of any to if their salary claims threat by resign en-bloc were not satisfactorily settled.

the Police Inspectors Police Station at Batu Caves the 34.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Home Affairs to state whether there is provision under the First Malaysian Plan to provide for the building of a Police Station at Batu Caves, and if so, when it will be built.
Dato' Dr Ismail: There is no provi sion in the First Malaysian Plan for the building of a Police Station at Batu Caves.

However, provision is available for the construction of a new Police Station and Staff Quarters at Selayang Village which is in the vicinity of Batu Caves area.

Vigilante Corps 35.
Vigilante Corps 35.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Home Affairs when will in the Vigilante compulsory service Corps be introduced, and whether he will allow certain categories of workers, e.g., doctors to be exempted from such service.

Dato' Dr Ismail: The Essential (Pasokan Kawalan) Regulations, 1966, came into force in the States of Malaya with effect from 3rd February, 1966.
Under these Regulations every male person who has attained the age of 18 years and who has not attained the age of 55 years shall be liable to serve in the Pasokan Kawalan.

Those who have previously volunteered, before the commencement of these Regulations shall be deemed to have been enrolled as members thereof.

At present, arrangements are made to appoint competent authorities in each State of Malaya.
The competent autho rities will be delegated with certain powers, including that of serving notice to people whom they will require to enrol and serve in the Pasokan Kawalan if necessary.

in to serve there are already It is not intended to exercise the power under Regulation 6 to require persons the Pasokan Kawalan in any area where it is consi dered sufficient members of the corps, nor is there the intention to exempt generally persons who do not fall within the category of Regulation 5 ( 2 ).
However adminis trative instructions have been issued that whenever possible persons em ployed in essential public services such as doctors or those who are required to perform essential public services in the night will not be requested to serve as a member of the Pasokan Kawalan.

Enche' Yuen Foo Thong 36.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Home Affairs if there are any more restrictions, on the move ments of an ex-detainee named Enche' Yuen Foo Thong.
If so, to state what they are; and whether the Minister is aware that the restriction on his move ment outside of the police district in which he is residing has hampered his earning a livelihood and in view of this he will consider removing this restric tion on Enche' Yuen Foo Thong.

Dato' Dr Ismail: Enche' Yuen Foo Thong was released from detention on a Restriction Order subject to certain conditions.
One of the original condi tions was to restrict his residence to the Malim Nawar police district but at 6789 21 MARCH 1966 6790 his own request he was subsequently granted permission by the Police to reside in the Ipoh police district.

If he should now find that he cannot make a living in the Ipoh police district where he is restricted to, he should apply again for permission to reside elsewhere and provided there are no security objections, I have no doubt that the Police would grant him his request.
Enche' Moshe Yegar 37.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Home Affairs to state if it is true that the Israel national, one Enche' Moshe Yegar has been expelled from this country, and if so, what are the reasons for this decision, whether it is true that Enche' Moshe Yegar met the Minister of Home Affairs on 7th December, 1965, and that at that time Enche' Moshe Yegar had not been told that he would be expelled.
Dato' Dr Ismail: Mr Moshe Yegar was requested to see me at my office on 7th December, 1965.

At the inter view he was told that during his stay in this country he had not confined himself solely to business activities but in political had matters.

He was, therefore, asked to leave the country.

interested himself Mr Moshe Yegar complied with this request and left the country by 15th January, 1966.

No expulsion order was made against him.

Properties of Resettled Chinese the property of 38.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Home Affairs if he is aware that the Chinese resettled at the new villages of Tapah, Siburan and Bratak, Sarawak, situated the new villages had been outside pilfered, and if so, the steps taken by the Police to safeguard the properties of the new villagers.

Dato' Dr Ismail: The Minister is aware that cases of theft from un occupied houses in the Tapah, Siburan and Bratak areas of Sarawak have occurred over the past eight months.
these thefts six In connection with persons have been convicted in court.

Frequent police patrols are being carried out in the areas concerned and as a result the number of cases of theft occurring has been greatly reduced.

Speeches of Members of Parliament 39.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Home Affairs if he is aware that copies of the speeches which I have made in the Dewan Ra'ayat and which I sent to Che' Teo Wah Pin and Che' Lok Yuk Chan have not been delivered to them vide Ref.

KHEDN.
KHEDN.

O.P.F.

28 (4), and if so, whether he would inform this House the reasons to why detainees are not allowed receive speeches made by a member of this House in the Dewan Ra'ayat itself.

as Dato' Dr Ismail: The documents referred to were not delivered to the they contained only detainees speeches made by the Honourable Member and did not include replies to the speeches and questions raised by him in order to give the detainees a clear picture of the proceedings in the Dewan Ra'ayat.
Films if he the 40.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Home Affairs is aware that films exploiting sex and gun-play have a morally decaying effect on the youth of our country, and if so, what steps his Ministry has taken to see that the moral fibre of our nation is not affected by these influences.

Dato' Dr Ismail: Censorship of any kind is a controversial subject and what is "good" to one is "bad" to another.
However, I can assure the Honourable Member that the Board of Film Censors takes a strict stand on films dealing with gangsterism violence and the effect of films on children is constantly borne in mind so much so that the Board has a reputa tion of being strict rather than linient on such matters.
strip-tease, sex, The Board's decision is subject to appeal and it sometimes occurs that a film which has been partly or wholly rejected by the Board is released for 6791 21 MARCH 1966 6792 exhibition by the Films Appeals Com mittee either with than originally or completely uncut.

The decision of the Appeals Committee overrides that of the Board.
less cuts Members of the Films Appeal Com mittee are prominent people the country, many being community leaders in their own right and it is very unlikely that they would release films which tend to damage the "moral fibre of our nation".

in in There is also a provision the Cinematograph Films Ordinance where by any films which is deemed undesir able will on the Minister's decision be recalled and withdrawn.

Such a film is then referred to the Appeals Com mittee for a final decision.
Detainees from Sarawak the 41.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Home Affairs if he has received three petitions from the parents and relatives of detainees held in Batu Gajah asking that the detainees be sent if so, what back to Kuching, and action he has taken regarding these petitions.

Dato' Dr Ismail: The petitions have been received and the petitioners have been informed that due consideration will be given to send them back to Sarawak as soon as the new Detention Camp for occupation.
in Kuching ready is MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING Mr K. Ponampalam 42.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Information and Broad casting if he has received a protest against the high-handed action of one Mr K. Ponampalam State Social Welfare Officer, Penang and what action he has taken regarding this protest.

The Minister of information and Broadcasting (Enche' Senu bin Abdul Rahman): Yes.
I have received a copy of a letter from the Journalists' Union of North Malaya to the Chief Minister, Penang.

In this connection, the State Government has noted the points raised in that letter and these would be borne in mind when future programmes are drawn up.

Members of the press have been asked to liaise with the State Information Officer or his representative as regards interviewing official visitors to the State.
Such a procedure will certainly prevent the occurrence of any misunderstanding during visits of VIPs to the State.

MINISTRY OF LABOUR Union Membership 43.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour to state whether he is aware that the recognition by the M.C.B.A., i.e., Malayan Commercial Banks' Association of the N.U.B.E., i.e., National Union of Bank Employees as lower representing all clerical and grade employees and not officers serving Inter in banks is contrary national Labour Organisation on freedom of association, and if so, what action he has taken to secure this right for the banking employees against the interference in union membership by the M.C.B.A.
the to The Minister of Labour (Enche' V. Manickavasagam): I am aware of the difference between the Malayan Com mercial Banks' Association and the National Union of Bank Employees on this question.

This dispute has been reported to me by the Association under the Essential (Trade Disputes in the Essential Services) Regulations, 1965 and steps are now being taken by my Ministry under the provisions of these Regulations to promote a settlement of the dispute.

Planters' Polytechnic the 44.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Labour if he considers the demand by the M.P.E.I.A.

to set up a Planters' Poly technic a laudable one and as such should have the full support of his Ministry.

the N.U.P.W.

to Enche' V. Manickavasagam: The setting up of a Planters' Polytechnic is, I understand, among the set of claims for improved conditions of employment which has increased wages and 6793 21 MARCH 1966 6794 been submitted by the N.U.P.W.

to the M.P.I.E.A.
to the M.P.I.E.A.

Since this is a matter for negotiations between it would not be proper for my Ministry to comment on this particular claim at this juncture or, for that matter, on any other claim of the Union now under negotiation between the parties.

the parties Collective Agreement Legislation the 45.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Labour when will his Ministry take steps to enact the "Exten sion of the Collective Agreement Ordinance and whether he is aware that both the N.U.P.W.

and M.T.U.C.
and M.T.U.C.

are desirous of enacting such a piece of legislation.

Enche' V. Manickavasagam: I am quite aware that both the N.U.P.W.

and the M.T.U.C.

are desirous of this legis lation being enacted.

The Government is still studying the provisions of the Draft Bill.

Penang Port Commission Employees Union 46.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour if he is aware of the threat to strike by the Port Com mission Employees Union of Penang, and if so, what efforts his Ministry has made to settle this dispute.

Enche' V. Manickavasagam: I am aware that the Penang Port Commis sion Employees' Union on 11th March, 1966, served on the management of the Penang Port Commission a 14-day strike notice.
The Union has reported this dispute to me under the Essential (Trade Disputes in the Essential Ser vices) Regulations, 1965, and steps are now being taken by my Ministry, under the provisions of these Regula tions, to promote a settlement of the dispute.

Employment Exchanges 47.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour if he is aware that an increasing number of professional people are being registered with the Employment Exchanges throughout the country, and if so, what steps his these to help taken Ministry has registered persons to get jobs.

information the Professional Enche' V. Manickavasagam: I am aware that registrants are continually increasing at and Technical Bureau of the Employment Exchange Service.
My Ministry ensures that these registrants is given wide publicity by sending details to the various Cham bers of Commerce circulation among their members, and also by including such details in every Monthly Report of my Ministry.

regards for as Most of the registrants at this Bureau are fresh from Universities and other Institutions of learning and therefore, by experience the lack employers.

Many are already in employment but continue to remain on the register of the Bureau to better their prospects.
Some, when offered employment, do not find the remuneration attractive.

sought registrants However, as a result of the publicity being given, an increasing number of enquiries are being from interested employers.

received Trade Union 48.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Labour if it true that the the Straits Trading management of Company has obstructed the workers in their attempts to form a trade union to look after their interest, and if so, whether his Ministry will step in to help the workers to form a union to see that social justice is done to the workers of that company.

Enche' V. Manickavasagam: I have received no complaint to this effect.
If, however, my assistance is sought, the necessary assistance will be given in the usual way.

MINISTRY OF LANDS AND MINES Conservation of Forests 49.

Enche' Tama Weng Tinggang Wan bertanya kapada Menteri Tanah dan Galian bagi faedah siapa-kah maka hutan di-Negeri Sarawak di-pelihara.

Menteri Tanah dan Galian (Tuan Haji Mohd.

Ghazali bin Haji Jawi): Pemeliharaan hutan2 di-Sarawak sa- di-Negeri2 dalam bagaimana lain 6795 21 MARCH 1966 6796 Malaya ada-lah dengan tujuan hendak ini memberi seluroh-nya.
faedah kapada negeri MINISTRY OF LOCAL GOVERN MENT AND HOUSING Overhead Bridge 50.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing when the overhead bridge across Jalan Tuanku Abdul Rahman near Jalan Chow Kit will be built as the need for such a bridge at that site and indeed for other areas in Kuala Lumpur is urgent.
The Minister for Local Government and Housing (Enche' Khaw Kai Boh): The need for this overhead bridge was recognised by the Commission of long ago and the Federal Capital appropriate action was taken in that funds for this was approved for 1966.

The building of this overhead bridge across Jalan Tuanku Abdul Rahman has reached an advanced stage where by contract documents are at present being prepared and it is hoped that work will commence by the middle of this year.

Housing Survey 51.
Housing Survey 51.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing what progress has been made in the Housing Survey undertaken by the Pesurohjaya Ibu Kota Kuala Lum pur and whether the report will be ready by June, 1967 as scheduled.

Enche' Khaw Kai Boh: The Muni cipal Valuation Department is con ducting a survey of buildings and land in Kuala Lumpur for the purpose of gathering information for re-valuation of properties in Kuala Lumpur.
This survey is progressing satisfactorily and it is hoped that the survey will be completed by the middle of 1967.

Parking Problem 52.
Parking Problem 52.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing to state: (a) if he is aware that the shortage of parking space in Kuala Lum pur is getting worse every day, so that the one mollion dollars as provided for off-street parking in the First Malaysia Plan would seem to be totally inadequate and should be increased; (b) when the work on the off-street car park in Kuala Lumpur will start and when it is due for com pletion.
Enche' Khaw Kai Boh: (a) The Minister is fully aware of the shortage of parking spaces in Kuala Lumpur as is the case in all growing cities in the world.

He is also aware that the provi sion of $1 million is not suffi cient to overcome the parking problem.

This sum is for a pilot project to determine the popu larity or otherwise of off-street found multi-storey parking.

If successful, consideration will be given for additional facilities for off-street parking.
Apart from this project, the metered area for parking within the Central Area will be further extended which will provide a fairer distribu tion of parking for the short period parkers.

This will in turn force the long-period parkers into the car parks around the Central Area, which are not fully utilised at the moment, or to use public transport.
Back lanes are also being sur faced where possible to provide additional parking and where new shophouses are to be built, or existing ones rebuilt, they are being made to set back at the rear of the building to provide parking within their curtilage.

(b) Design works are in hand and contract documents being pre pared for an off-street multi storey car park and it is hoped that works will commence in July this year and be completed about one year.

Hawkers' Emporium 53.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and the multi Housing when work on storey hawkers' emporium at Jalan 6797 21 MARCH 1966 6798 Haji Hussein will be started and when it is expected to be completed.

In view if the scarcity of sites for hawkers in that area, whether he will give top priority for this project.
Enche' Kaw Kai Boh: Priority is being given to the erection of a multi storey Hawkers' Emporium at Jalan Haji Hussein and a sum of $300,000 has been provided in the 1966 Munici pal Budget.

The architectural plans are ready and the structural plans are in the course of preparation.

It is hoped that building works will commence in the middle of this year.

Rentals of Low Cost Housing 54.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing if he is aware that the rent for the Low Cost Housing, costing $35 for a single room and $48 for two rooms, is too high for squatters to move in, and if so, whether he would consider building still more cheaper houses as to reduce the rent for the poor squatters.
Enche' Khaw Kai Boh: Under current policy State Governments and Municipalities are permitted to charge rentals not exceeding $50 per month in respect of Low Cost Housing Projects financed by Federal loan funds.

Rentals are fixed after taking into consideration cost of construction, cost of piling, development costs and cost of servicing the loan and they vary from project to project.
It is to be mentioned that all low cost housing is being subsidized to the extent that loan terms are on very generous terms both from point of view of repayment period and State Governments and Municipalities do not include cost of services such as access roads, water mains, roadside drains, etc., in the final costing.
As only flatted accommodation is let out on rental basis, the monthly payments paid by tenants reflect the actual rental plus maintenance and Generally administration speaking in the Federal Capital the monthly payment varies between $18 to $32 for a one room flat, $36 to $42 for a two room flat and $46 to $49 for a three room flat.

In the case of the interest and charges.


supplied by flats in Loke Yew Road—Phase III, the monthly payment for a two room flat is $47 per month and for a one room flat $33 per month.

The monthly rental for this scheme is slightly higher that the other schemes because this the Public scheme is financed from Loan raised by the Pesuroh Jaya Ibu Kota which bears a higher rate of interest and a shorter repayment period than the loans for the other existing the Alliance schemes Government.
All such monthly pay ments include an amount varying from $8 to $17 being maintenance and administration charges as earlier stated.

The Ministry is however conscious of the need to further reduce building costs and hence the monthly payment including rental and it is for this reason that efforts are being made to introduce Industrial Housing Techniques in a few pilot projects since it is known that such techniques when properly established can untimately reduce building costs by as much as 10% to 20%.
Further more in order to achieve lower building costs, designs flats are being standardised with a view to achieving the register of contractors economy, are being constantly reviewed and to encourage competition, expanded consultant fees are cut down or reduced to a minimum by employment of full time staff, etc.

for Pedestrian Crossing 55.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing if he is aware of the peril of crossing roads in Kuala Lumpur, and if so, what is the justification for the recent removal of the Foch Avenue pedestrian crossing.

Enche' Khaw Kai Boh: The pedes trian crossing in Foch Avenue was removed because it was considered by the Traffic Advisory Committee that it was causing greater congestion and more danger to pedestrians with it than without it.
However, with the introduc tion of the new gyratory system in the near future it should be possible to introduce new crossings and the im proved flow of traffic should permit pedestrians to cross the road in greater safety.

6799 21 MARCH 1966 6800 MINISTRY OF NATIONAL AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT Rubber Factories 56.
Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah bertanya kapada Menteri Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar : semenjak (a) berapa buah banyak-nya semua kilang2 getah yang telah di- dirikan oleh pejabat RIDA dan dari di-tadbir-nya awal hingga sekarang ini di- seluroh Tanah Melayu; dan {b) berapa-kah banyak-nya wang2 yang telah di-belanjakan untok mendiri kilang2 ini dan mentad- bir-nya.
Menteri Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar (Tun Haji Abdul Razak bin Dato' Hussain): (a) RIDA telah mendirikan 12 buah kilang2 getah di-seluroh Tanah Melayu.

Selain dari itu sa-buah kilang telah di-ambil aleh daripada Sharikat Kerja- sama.

(b) Perbelanjaan mendirikan kilang2 itu ia-lah sa-banyak $1.7 juta dan perbelanjaan menjalankan-nya ia-lah kira2 $20,000 bagi sa- buah kilang pada sa-tahun.

57.
57.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah bertanya kapada Menteri Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar betul-kah atau tidak kenyataan yang telah di-buat oleh Enche' Adam bin Yunus, Pega- wai MARA Negeri Johor, pada 27hb Julai, 1965, bahawa keputusan telah di- buat oleh pehak yang berkenaan baha wa semua kilang2 getah yang tersebut di-atas akan di-tutup beransur2 dan tiga ia-itu kilang2 di- dari kilang2 Machang, Kelantan, di-Chenor, Pahang dan di-Peradong, Negeri Sembilan, telah pun di-tutup dan apa-kah sebab2- nya.
itu, Tun Haji Abdul Razak bin Dato' Hussain: Kenyataan tidak betul.

Kilang2 itu maseh di-jalankan sekarang melainkan kilang2 getah di-Chenor, Pahang, Peradong, Negeri Sembilan, dan Baling, Kedah yang telah di-tutup itu oleh kerana sangat mundor perjalanan- nya di-sebabkan tidak dapat getah yang chukup untok di-kerjakan oleh kilang2 itu.

Rural Development Provision 58.


Enche' Tama Weng Tinggang Wan bertanya kapada Menteri Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar, oleh kerana wang sa-banyak $70 juta dari perunto- kan Pembangunan Luar Bandar di- bawah Ranchangan Malaysia yang Pertama kapada telah di-untokkan MARA., ada-kah Negeri Sarawak akan mendapat sa-bahagian daripada wang itu.

Tun Haji Abdul Razak bin Dato' Hussain: Negeri Sarawak juga akan menekmati kemudahan2 daripada per- untokan itu.

Trade Union and Co-operative move ments 59.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of National and Rural Deve lopment to state with reference to the call by Enche' P. P. Narayanan Vice- President of the Asian Regional Organi sation of the I.C.F.T.U.

at the delegates conference of the MTUC early this year that the Government should take the Trade Union and Co-operative move ments into confidence in solving the problem of the poverty of the rural people, what action he has taken in the matter.
Tun Haji Abdul Razak bin Dato' Hussain: The statement made by Mr P. P. Narayanan was calling on the Government to declare war on rural the Malaysian poverty and take to Trade Union Congress and the co operative movement into confidence in solving rural poverty.

The Government has, in fact, declared and is declaring war on rural poverty as evidenced by the successful the Rural Development Programme.
The Government would welcome the co operation and help of all sections of the community in the implementation of our rural Development Programme.

The Government, therefore, would be prepared to consider the suggestion of Mr P. P. Narayanan if working details of the suggestion as to how and to what implementation of 6801 21 MARCH 1966 6802 extent take the Government should them into confidence could be made available to the Government.

Enche' Mokhtar bin Chik the 60.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of National and Rural Deve lopment if he is aware that a person named Enche' Mokhtar bin Chik who went for an interview for the post of Supervisor of Adult Education (Reli gion) on 1st March, 1965, has still not received an official the Organiser of Adult Education, Pahang, up to the end of December, 1965 and if so to state whether that post has been filled and why Enche' Mokhtar bin Chik has not been informed of the result of his interview.
reply from Tun Haji Abdul Razak bin Dato' Hussain: The post in question was a Pahang State post.

The question should rightly, the therefore, be raised Pahang State Legislature.

in MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT Insurance Companies 61.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Transport if he is aware that most, if not all, Insurance Com panies have a restrictive clause which states that they will not be held liable if the owner of the car lets a driver who is under 21 years use the vehicle even though he may have passed his driving test, and that there is no such restrictive clause in most countries including Great Britain; if so, whether he will take steps to amend the law so as to remove this restrictive clause which penalizes the driving public.
The Minister of Transport (Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir): I am not aware of Insurance Companies attach ing in their insurance policies a restric tive clause which states that they will not be held liable if the owner of the vehicle allows the driver who is under 21 years to use the vehicle even though he may hold a driving licence.

Even if such a clause is attached, it would, in my opinion, be nullified by the provisions of section 79 of the Road Traffic Ordinance, 1958.

Malaysian Airways 62.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Transport the share-holders of the the Malaysian Airways and stock held by them as on 1st January, 1966.

Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: On 1st January, 1966 the following are the share-holders of Malaysian Airways and the stocks held by them: 1.

Malaysia 2.

Singapore 3.

Sabah 4.

Sarawak 5.

BOAC 6.

Qantas 7.

Straits and Ocean Steam ship Co. 8.

Brunei 9.

(General Public) 0.


(MAL) 50,000 50,000 64,370 64,370 347,060 257,100 100,000 25,300 35,800 10,000 It that is however proposed the stocks held by the Governments of Malaysia and Singapore should be increased to 758,200 each so that to gether Malaysia and Singapore would jointly hold a majority of 60.64%.

This is however not yet finalised as it is negotiations with Singapore.

under still 63.
under still 63.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the the to state Minister of Transport number of engineers working with the Malaysian Airways, giving figures separately for local and expatriates.

Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: The number of staff employed in the Malaysian Engineering Airways Department is just over 600 of whom some 33 are expatriates.

There are 84 locally licensed aeronautical engineers.
The majority of the expatriate engineers have been employed by the company recently and are mainly on secondment from BOAC.

This group consists of engineers licensed on Comet aircraft and as graduate engineers for technical services department.
It should be noted that adequate to provision has been made for future development and a replace ment of expatriate staff and in this specialists such the 6803 21 MARCH 1966 6804 respect Malaysian Airways have for some years had an apprentice training programme and the number of appren tices presently employed is 59 with an additional 21 apprentice tradesmen.

the 64.
the 64.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Transport to state whether there is a shortage of engineers with Malaysian Airways; whether the training programme for engineers has gone wrong and why they have not been in adequate numbers before the services of Malaysian Air ways were expended; and whether it is true that Malaysian Airways has introduced its jet services without pro per planning particularly regarding engineering staff.
trained fact that some work has been sub contracted to Qantas, but it is expected that additional engineers will be re cruited in the next few months, these people being necessary for the com pany self-sufficient to both become technical and to have a surplus of staff to be able to send national staff overseas for training on the next gene ration of aircraft.

65.
65.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Transport if he is aware of the numerous complaints regarding the almost constant delays in the Kuala Lumpur Singapore/Kuching Service.

If so, what are the causes of such delays and what steps has Malaysian Air ways taken to prevent such delays.

to Qantas Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: There is some shortage of engineers in Malaysian Airways and as a result of this shortage certain aspects of Comet aircraft handling has had to be sub in Singapore.
contracted The shortage of engineers has arisen due to the fact that Malaysian Air ways was given to understand that adequate numbers of licensed engi neering personnel could be recruited in the U.K. for the Comet project.

In the end these staff were not available in the numbers anticipated and this in turn was due to two main factors.
First, an increasing and world-wide shortage of aircraft engineers and secondly, some difficulty in recruiting staff in circumstances where the Com pany's replacing active policy of expatriate staff resulted in a situation where only relatively short term con tracts could be offered to expatriate personnel.
"It should be noted that to train an engineer to double licensed standards on a jet aircraft, that is to say, to train a man to obtain an Air frame Licence and an Engine Licence takes 8 years including 5 years appren ticeship.

This is because of the mini laid mum experience down by recognised authorities such as the Air Registration Board in the U.K. and Departments of Civil Avia tion.
The shortage of engineers in the company is not having any effect on Comet "operations having regard to the requirements that aircraft necessitated in order Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: The Comet services to Kuching were badly off schedule in the first week of January and reference was made to this fact in the Press.
The full Comet operation was introduced by Malaysian Airways on the 1st January and the delays to services were brought about by a series of technical faults many of which were of a minor nature but being which delayed rectification could be carried out.

A contributing factor was that the full stocks of spare parts ordered from the U.K. were not received in time and this was a matter largely beyond the control of the air line as parts had been ordered months in advance.
Once the position became apparent Malaysian Airways re-orga their operating patterns with nised effect to from 17th January so as provide all services with three Comet aircraft and in this way endeavoured to ensure that on-time departures were affected.

The position has improved and there have been few delays in excess of ten minutes on the Comet services to Kuching since January 17th.

The spares position has since improved considerably.

66.
66.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Transport the reasons for non-departure of flight 122 Malaysian Airways on 22nd January, 1966 and in departure of Comet the delay 6805 21 MARCH 1966 6806 flight 616 on the same day; and whether he is aware that such delays will seriously damage the reputation of Malaysian Airways and may as well deter the travelling public from travelling by the Malaysian Airways.

Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Flight ML.


122 on the 22nd January was cancelled due to a fuel leak and flight ML.

616 was delayed because of the need to position a cabin crew member in Kuala Lumpur to enable a DC-3 aircraft to be operated from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore to bring passengers who had been booked on ML.

121.

It was necessary to position a cabin crew member in Kuala Lumpur as safety regulations require a cabin attendant to operate on all passenger flights.

Unfortunately when ML.


616 arrived in Kuala Lumpur there was a further delay to the service due to a minor technical fault which took some two hours to rectify.

Subang International Airport 67.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Transport the reasons for the lack of hangar and repair facilities at the Subang International Airport; whether he is aware that the lack of such facilities makes us a laughing stock in the world of civil aviation, and if so, whether he will assure this House that these services will be provided as soon as possible.
Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: I am aware of the lack of hangar and repair facilities at the Kuala Lumpur International Airport and a study is being made as to the cost of providing adequate facilities of this type in future and these services will be provided as soon as is practicable.
that he was not ex-members of the Security Forces and that other appli cants who are ex-members of the Security Forces and who appeared before Licensing Board are not satisfied with the Licensing Board; if so, whether he will investigate into this award to see that justice is done.

the decision of Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: I am not aware of any complaints regarding the grant of a licence to Enche' Samat bin Taib to operate a hire car from a base at Sungai Nibong, Kuala Trengganu.
It is not true that this applicant who was granted the licence did not appear before the Licensing Board; in fact he appeared before the Licensing Board on 10th June, 1964 and 28th December, 1964, together with 13 other applicants.
into against Following the receipt of appeals by Enche' Samat bin Taib and three other applicants unsuccessful the the Licensing Board, I decision of instructed the Commissioner for Road to carry out a ground Transport investigation the actual places where the appellants were residing.

After studying the investigation report, I disposed of the appeal by ordering a grant of a licence to Enche' Samat bin Taib on the ground that he was the only suitable applicant who lived nearest to the base.
In making the order, I was fully aware that he was not a Member of the Security Forces.

For the information of the Honour able Member, I would like to state that in granting a licence to operate a hire car from a base situated in the rural area, the first qualification which the applicant must possess is that he must be a permanent resident of the base.

Taxi Licence Drunken Drivers 68.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Transport to state whether he is aware that there are complaints regarding the award of a taxi licence to Enche' Samat bin Taib to operate a taxi at Nibong, Dungun, Trengganu; whether it is true that the said Enche' Samat bin Taib did not appear for an interview before Licensing Board and 69.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Transport if he is aware of the inadequate powers given to police and medical officers to deal with cases of drunken drivers; if so, whether he will introduce legislation for the follow ing measures: (1) COMPULSORY clinical exami nation of drunken suspect; 6807 21 MARCH 1966 6808 (2) COMPULSORY giving of blood or urine for tests; and (3) INTRODUCTION of a fixed alcohol figure in the blood and urine.
Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: I am aware of the difficulties posed by the inadequate Legislation mentioned by the Honourable Member.

There are however a number of problems that have to be considered first.

One of these is the liberty of the subject.

These problems are being considered.

MINISTRY OF WORKS, POSTS AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS Roads supaya di-bena 70.
Enche' Tama Weng Tinggang Wan bertanya kapada Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos dan Talikom ada-kah dia akan menimbangkan sa- batang jalan raya menghubongi Baram dan Kelabit dengan membelanjakan juta yang di- wang daripada $464 untokkan kapada Negeri Sarawak dalam Ranchangan Malaysia yang Pertama akan kerana merupakan kapada pendudok2 di-situ membawa barang2 mereka ka-pasar.
raya demikian bantuan besar jalan Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos dan Tali kom (Dato' V. T. Sambanthan): Perkara ini ia-lah bagi Kerajaan Negeri mengurus-nya.

Kemungkinan hasil per- tanian di-dataran tinggi Kelabit ada-lah di-akui* dan pembenaan sa-batang jalan daripada Marudi ka-Linei akan di- kerjakan dalam tempoh Ranchangan Malaysia Yang Pertama dan kerja2 per- mulaan sa-panjang jalan ini akan di- mulakan pada tahun ini.

71.
71.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecom munications when the new by-pass road to Jalan Batu Village will be ready and opened to traffic, as this road is an urgent necessity owing to the heavy volume of traffic along Jalan Ipoh and Jalan Tuanku Abdul Rahman.

Dato' V- T. Sambanthan: The new by-pass road is expected to be ready and opened to traffic by the end of 1967.

This is dependent on land acquisition being completed in time.

72.
72.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecom munications when will he have the road straightened and a new bridge built at the 5th Mile, Kepong Road as the present bridge continues to take its toll of fatal accidents and the number of traffic is increasing.

accidents occurring there Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: The Northern Through Route for Kuala Lumpur is expected to be completed in 1967.

The existing bridge in question will then be on acul-de-sac.
Thus traffic will be practically nil.

Telephones 73.

Enche' C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Tele communications to state: (a) the number of telephones pro vided in the Brickfields area since 1962; (b) the rules governing the allocation of telephones; and for (c) whether he is aware of complaints that tele later applicants phones had been given lines while earlier applicants are still waiting for their applications had already been approved by the Telephone Prio rity Board.
telephones although Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: (a) Number of telephones provided in Brickfields area since 1962 is 223.

This figure does not include extension telephones.

(b) The rules governing provision of telephones are based on an order of priority as follows: Priority Category 1.

Armed Forces and police operational telephones; 2.

Senior foreign diplomatic, important and tele doctors official Government phones; 3.
Junior foreign diplomatic and normal official Govern ment telephones; 21 MARCH 1966 6810 Priority Category telephones 4. Business in accordance with the date of application; 5.

Residential telephones in accordance with the date of application.

There is also a Telephone Priority Board in towns where there is shortage of telephones.

The Board members are appoint ed from members of the public with one Telecommunications representative as Chairman.
Deci sions of the Board are made by a majority vote with the Chairman having a casting vote.

by those mentioned I am aware that complaints such as the Honourable Member have been made against the Telecommuni cations Department from time to time.

These complaints are inves tigated by the Department and, whilst there have been one or two cases in the past few years where earlier applications having been by-passed due to clerical errors, almost all the complaints to be un have been proved founded.
are many circumstances under which appli cants for telephones may get the impression that they have been ex by-passed.

The in order amples are given to illustrate the Honourable Member that what may appear to be unfounded discriminatory action, is in fact not so: following There to the road (i) Underground cable schemes are carried out progres laying of sively with cables outwards from the exchange area.

These works involve excavations and take several months to complete.
As the work pro gresses, applicants are given the service as underground cable work has reached their area, whilst applicants located in areas where the cable work has not reached cannot be given service yet.

It is inevitable soon as in that there will be appli the first group, cants who have been given ser vice, whose applications bear a later date than those in the second group.
throughout (ii) Any given street, or housing is served by cable area distribution boxes located at strategic points along the the street or area.

Each box usually contains up to 15 cable pairs, and the area which it serves is clearly defined; with streams, streets, hills and similar physical fea tures serving as boundaries.

Thus two houses facing one another on opposite sides of a street may be served from different distribution boxes.
One of these boxes may have spare cable capa city whilst the other may be full to capacity.

In such a case an applicant in the area served by the box with spare capacity will be given service although his appli cation bears a later date than those applications in the area served by the other box.

(iii) An applicant a that for a tele phone who has been waiting for a year observes a new neighbour moving into the house next door.
Sometime later he notices the neighbour has been pro vided with telephone although he himself is still without a telephone.

Such a case would arise if the new neighbour had a tele phone in the house which he had occupied previously, and he had requested for the telephone to be moved to his new house.
In these the Tele circumstances, phone Agreement of the subscriber continues and he is given priority in accor dance with the date of the application of his previous 6811 21 MARCH 1966 6812 telephone and, if this date is earlier than the applica tions of those in his area he becomes the first to be provided with a telephone as soon as lines and equip ment becomes available.

the 74.
Dr Than Chee Khoon asks Minister of Works, Posts and Telecom munications if he is aware that in the Senate on the 23rd December, 1965, the Assistant Minister of Finance had stated that Malaysia had 114,327 telephones, while on the same day he himself stated that Malaysia had one telephone to every 13 people, which works out to about 769,930 phones; and if so, whether he could state which figure is correct, and how many telephones there were in Malaya, Sabah and Sarawak on 1st January, 1966, giving the figures separately for each unit.
Dato' V. T. Samhanthan: The figures for telephones mentioned were the quoted when the Estimates for Telecommunications Department, Ma laya, were being presented and there fore applies to States of Malaya only, and not to Malaysia.

The figure of 114,327 telephones for States of Malaya is correct.

In the case of the figure of one telephone per 13 people, the word "people" was inadver tently substituted for "families".
The number of telephones in service in Malaya, Sabah and Sarawak on 1st January, 1966, as follows: (a) Malaya (b) Sabah (c) Sarawak ... ... ... 116,053 7,270 8,337 231,660 Telephone Booth at Jinjang North Dalam 75.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecom munications if he will consider pro viding the people of Jinjang North Dalam with a telephone booth as there is a need for it there.
Dato' V. T. Samhanthan: The provi sion of a public telephone at Jinjang is on the programme for telephone booths.

Telephone Levy 76.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecom munications to state whether he will consider raising the rental on tele phones by say 10 dollars a month levying 10 cents a call instead of beyond 100 calls and whether the former proposal will not raise more revenue at no additional cost to the Telecoms Department.
Dato' V. T. Samhanthan: It is not understood whether the member sug gests raising the rental on all sub scribers—residential as well as business.

The decision to levy a 10-cent per call charge is an attempt at an equit able means of charging for telephone service as some subscribers use their telephone very much more often than others.

Every time a telephone call is made, expensive equipment the telephone exchange is brought into use, thereby causing wear and tear on this equipment.
The more calls a telephone subscriber makes, the heavier this wear and tear will be and the greater the cost of maintaining the equipment.

It is therefore considered equitable that telephone subscribers are made to pay for their telephone service in pro portion to wear and tear caused.

in Post Office 77.
in Post Office 77.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Tele communications that Jinjang New Village with a population of 20,000 people needs a Post Office, and if so, whether he will consider building one at Jinjang North.

if he is aware Dato' V. T. Samhanthan: A Post Office for Jinjang New Village has been included in the Postal Depart ment's First Malaysian Five-Year Plan.

MINISTRY OF JUSTICE Magistrates 78.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minister of Justice if it is true that the re-employ is going Government selected pensioners as Magistrates, and if so, seeing that there are so many to 6813 21 MARCH 1966 6814 in Singapore and newly qualified lawyers both from the from law school abroad, whether he will re-consider the matter and appoint these young graduates re-employing pensioners.
instead of been have The Minister of Justice (Dato' Dr Ismail bin Data' Haji Abdul Rahman): It is the policy of Government to fill the establishment of Magistrates in the Judicial Department with legally quali fied officers and for this reason four Scholarships awarded annually since 1951 to serving Magis trates for a course of study in Law with a view to call to the English Bar.
Pending the return of Judicial Scholars, pensioners with experience on the Bench are appointed for a specified period as Temporary Magistrates and held against vacancies arising from the award of scholarships to Magistrates.

Law graduates from the Law School in Singapore and from abroad are also considered the in Legal and Judicial vacant posts Department.

for appointment to PRIME MINISTER'S DEPARTMENT Rent Control 79.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Prime Minister if the Report of the Special Committee on Rent Control will be tabled in Parliament.

If not to state the reasons.


The Prime Minister (Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra Al-Haj): The Report of the Committee on Rent Control was considered and approved in principle by the National Council for Local Government at its meeting held on 7th March, 1966, and a draft Bill giving effect to the recommendations contained in the Report is being drawn up by the Attorney-General's Chambers.
It is hoped that this Bill will be presented to this House at the first meeting of the next session of Parlia ment when the Report will also be tabled.

National Language in Sarawak the 80.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Prime Minister if he is aware of the call in November, 1965 by Dato' Dunstan Endawie, Sarawak's Minister for Local Government, for an assurance from the Central Government that the language safeguards the London Agreement would be respected, if so, whether he will give an assurance that the Central Government will not force the the introduction of Malay as National Language the State of Sarawak by the year 1967. to in The Prime Minister: The Honour able Member may be aware that Article 161 of the Federal Constitution provides all the necessary safeguards for the Borneo States for the continued use of the English Language until ten years after Malaysia Day.
This includes the use of the English Language in either House of Parliament by a mem in Court ber from a Borneo State, proceedings, in the Legislative Assem blies of the Borneo States and for other official purposes (including the official purpose of the Federal Government).

In view of this provision, the call for an assurance from the Central Government on this matter unneces sary.

Parliamentary Calendar 81.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Prime Minister if he is aware that two years have gone by and no Parliamentary Calendar has been published by the Government and that the lack of such a calendar causes great inconvenience not only to members of the opposition but also to other governmental bodies connected with the work of the Dewan Ra'ayat.

If so, whether the Govern ment will publish a Parliamentary Calendar for the next session of Parlia ment as soon as possible.
The Prime Minister: I am aware that Government has not published a Parlia mentary Calendar for the last two years.

The practice was stopped because it was often found necessary to have the meetings of Parliament on dates different from those in the Calendar.

The Calendar, therefore, could only the serve as a guide.

However, if Honourable Member considers that such a Calendar is useful, the Govern ment will publish it.