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16 Wednesday 14th October, 1964 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) OFFICIAL REPORT FIRST SESSION OF THE SECOND PARLIAMENT OF MALAYSIA CONTENTS ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 2169] THE DEVELOPMENT SUPPLEMENTARY (No.
2) ESTIMATES, 1964: Committee— Heads 114 and 134 [Col. 2179] Head 115 [Col. 2187] Head 118 [Col. 2194] Heads 122 and 161 [Col. 2198] Head 123 [Col. 2218] Head 125 [Col. 2220] Head 133 [Col. 2222] Heads 136, 139, 171, 175, 195 and 197 [Col. 2223] Heads 146, 147 and 210 [Col. 2230] THE SUPPLEMENTARY SUPPLY (1964) BILL, 1964 [Col. 2239] MALAYSIA DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) Official Report First Session of the Second Dewan Ra'ayat Wednesday, 14th October, 1964 The House met at Ten o'clock a.m.
PRESENT: The Honourable Mr Speaker, TUAN SYED ESA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S.

the Prime Minister, Minister of External Affairs and Minister of Youth, Culture and Sports, Y.T.M.

TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M.

(Kuala Kedah).

the Minister of Home Affairs and Minister of Justice, DATO' DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N.

(Johor Timor).

the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' TAN SIEW SIN, J.P. (Melaka Tengah).
the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, DATO' V. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N.

(Sungei Siput).

the Minister of Transport, DATO' HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N.

(Pontian Utara).

the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, ENCHE' MOHAMED KHIR JOHARI (Kedah Tengah).

the Minister of Health, ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah).

the Minister of Education, ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB (Kuantan).

the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan).
the Minister for Welfare Services, TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT A LI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang).

the Minister for Local Government and Housing, ENCHE' KHAW KAI-BOH, P J .

K. (Ulu Selangor).

the Minister for Sarawak Affairs, DATO' TEMENGGONG JUGAH ANAK BARIENG, P.M.N., P.D.K.

(Sarawak).

the Minister of Labour, ENCHE' V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., PJ.K.

(Klang).

the Minister of Information and Broadcasting, ENCHE' SENU BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Kubang Pasu Barat).
the Minister of Lands and Mines, TUAN HAJI MOHAMED GHAZALI BIN HAJI JAWI (Ulu Perak).

the Minister without Portfolio, ENCHE' PETER LO SU Y IN (Sabah).

2163 14 OCTOBER 1964 2164 The Honourable the Assistant Minister of National and Rural Development and Assistant Minister of Justice, ENCHE' ABDUL-RAHMAN BIN YA'KUB (Sarawak).

the Assistant Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, ENCHE' SULAIMAN BIN BULON (Bagan Datoh).
the Assistant Minister of Youth, Culture and Sports, ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ABDUL KADIR (Trengganu Tengah).

the Assistant Minister of Education, ENCHE' LEE SIOK Y E W, A.M.N., P J .K (Sepang).

ENCHE' ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N.

(Melaka Utara).

ENCHE' ABDUL KARIM BIN ABU, A.M.N.

(Melaka Selatan).

WAN ABDUL KADIR BIN ISMAIL (Kuala Trengganu Utara).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAHIM ISHAK (Singapore).

TUAN HAJI ABDUL RASHID BIN HAJI JAIS (Sabah).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAUF BIN A. RAHMAN, K.M.N., P J .

K. (Krian Laut).
K. (Krian Laut).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSSIN (Lipis).

ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN G UL AHMAD MIANJI (Pasir Mas Hulu).

DATO' ABDULLAH BIN ABDULRAHMAN, Dato' Bijaya di-Raja (Kuala Trengganu Selatan).

Y.A.M.

TUNKU ABDULLAH IBNI ALMARHUM TUANKU ABDUL RAHMAN, P.P.T.

(Rawang).

TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD.

SALLEH, A.M.N., S.MJ., P.I.S.

(Segamat Utara).

ENCHE' A BU BAKAR BIN HAMZAH (Bachok).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kelantan Hilir).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N.

(Muar Utara).


TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAAID (Seberang Utara).

CHE' AJIBAH BINTI ABOL (Sarawak).

O. K. K. DATU ALIUDDIN BIN DATU HARUN, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam).

ENCHE' JONATHAN BANGAU ANAK RENANG (Sarawak).

PENGARAH BANYANG ANAK JANTING (Sarawak).

ENCHE' CHAN SEONG YOON (Setapak).

ENCHE' CHAN SIANG SUN (Bentong).

ENCHE' CHEN WING SUM (Damansara).

ENCHE' CHIA CHIN SHIN (Sarawak).

ENCHE' FRANCIS CHIA NYUK TONG (Sabah).


ENCHE' CHIN FOON (Ulu Kinta).

ENCHE' EDWIN ANAK TANGKUN (Sarawak).

DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI ABDUL MAJID (Johor Bahru Timor).

DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N.

(Jitra-Padang Terap).

ENCHE' S. FAZUL RAHMAN, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' GANING BIN JANGKAT (Sabah).

ENCHE' GEH CHONG KEAT, K.M.N.

(Penang Utara).

2165 14 OCTOBER 1964 2166 The Honourable ENCHE' HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N.

(Kapar).

ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD.

YUNUS, A.M.N., J.P. (Kulim Utara).


ENCHE' HANAFIAH BIN HUSSAIN, A.M.N.

(Jerai).

ENCHE' HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Baling).

WAN HASSAN BIN WAN DAUD (Tumpat).

ENCHE' HO SEE BENG (Singapore).

ENCHE' STANLEY HO NGUN KHIU, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN T O' MUDA HASSAN, A.M.N.

(Raub).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN MOHD.

NOORDIN, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Parit).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN SULAIMAN (Ulu Kelantan).

TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN (Kota Bharu Hulu).

ENCHE' IKHWAN ZAINI (Sarawak).


ENCHE' IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah).

ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan).

ENCHE' JEK YEUN THONG (Singapore).

PENGHULU JINGGUT ANAK ATTAN (Sarawak).

ENCHE' KAM WOON WAH, J.P. (Sitiawan).

ENCHE' KHOO PENG LOONG (Sarawak).

ENCHE' KOW KEE SENG (Singapore).

ENCHE' EDMUND LANGGU ANAK SAGA (Sarawak).

ENCHE' LEE SAN CHOON, K.M.N.

(Segamat Selatan).

ENCHE' LEE SECK FUN (Tanjong Malim).

ENCHE' AMADEUS MATHEW LEONG, A.D.K.

(Sabah).


ENCHE' LING BENG SIEW (Sarawak).

DR LIM CHONG EU (Tanjong).

ENCHE' L IM HUAN BOON (Singapore).

ENCHE' LIM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat).

DATO' L IM KIM SAN, D.U.T.

(Singapore).

ENCHE' LIM PEE HUNG (Alor Star).

DR MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMAD (Kota Star Selatan).

ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson).

DATO' DR HAJI MEGAT KHAS, D.P.M.P., J.P., P.J.K.

(Kuala Kangsar).

ENCHE' MOHD.

ARIF SALLEH, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA, P.M.K.


(Pasir Putehj.

ORANG TUA MOHAMMAD DARA BIN LANGPAD (Sabah).

ENCHE' MOHD.

DAUD BIN ABDUL SAMAD (Besut).

ENCHE' MOHAMED IDRIS BIN MATSIL, J.M.N., P.J.K., J.P. (Jelebu-Jempol).

ENCHE' MOHD.

TAHIR BIN ABDUL MAJID, S.M.S., P J .

K. (Kuala Langat).

ENCHE' MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N.

(Temerloh).

ENCHE' MOHD.

ZAHIR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Sungei Patani).

WAN MOKHTAR BIN AHMAD (Kemaman).

TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan).
2167 14 OCTOBER 1964 2 The Honourable ENCHE' MUHAMMAD FAKHRUDDIN BIN HAJI ABDULLAH (Pasir Mas Hilir).

TUAN HAJI MUHAMMAD SU'AUT BIN HAJI MUHD.

TAHIR (Sarawak).

DATO' HAJI MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI ABDUL JABAR, D.P.M.S., A.M.N., J.P. (Sabak Bernam).

ENCHE' MUSTAPHA BIN AHMAD (Tanah Merah).

DATO' N IK AHMAD KAMIL, D.K., S.P.M.K., S.MJ.K., P.M.N., P.Y.G.P., Dato' Sri Setia Raja (Kota Bharu Hilir).

ENCHE' NG FAH YAM (Batu Gajah).

DR NG KAM POH, J.P. (Telok Anson).

ENCHE' ONG PANG BOON (Singapore).


TUAN HAJI OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Hilir Perak).

ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Perlis Utara).

ABANG OTHMAN BIN HAJI MOASILI (Sarawak).

ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN WOK (Singapore).

TUAN HAJI RAHMAT BIN HAJI DAUD, A.M.N.

(Johor Bahru Barat).

ENCHE' RAMLI BIN OMAR (Krian Darat).

TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD.

SAID, P.J.K., J.P. (Rembau-Tampin).

RAJA ROME BIN RAJA MA'AMOR (Kuala Selangor).

ENCHE' SANDOM ANAK NYUAK (Sarawak).

ENCHE' SEAH TENG NGIAB, P.I.S.

(Muar Pantai).


ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh), ENCHE' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM (Menglembu).

ENCHE' SIOW LOONG HIN, P.J.K.

(Seremban Barat).

ENCHE' SNG CHIN JOO (Sarawak).

ENCHE' SOH AH TECK (Batu Pahat).

ENCHE' SULEIMAN BIN A LI (Dungun).

PENGIRAN TAHIR PETRA (Sabah).

ENCHE' TAJUDIN BIN A L I, P.J.K.

(Larut Utara).

ENCHE' TAI KUAN YANG (Kulim Bandar Bharu).

ENCHE' TAMA WENG TINGGANG WAN (Sarawak).

DR TAN CHEE KHOON (Batu).

ENCHE' TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan).


ENCHE' TAN TOH HONG (Bukit Bintang).

ENCHE' TAN TSAK YU (Sarawak).

ENCHE' TIAH ENG BEE (Kluang Utara).

DR TOH CHIN CHYE (Singapore).

ENCHE' TOH THEAM HOCK (Kampar).

PENGHULU FRANCIS UMPAU ANAK EMPAM (Sarawak).

ENCHE' WEE TOON BOON (Singapore).

ENCHE' YEH PAO TZE (Sabah).

ENCHE' YEOH TAT BENG (Bruas).

ENCHE' STEPHEN YONG KUET T ZE (Sarawak).

TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD.

TAIB (Langat).


2169 14 OCTOBER 1964 2170 ABSENT: The Honourable the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence, Minister of National and Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N.

(Pekan).

the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara).

WAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN DATU TUANKU BUJANG (Sarawak).

ENCHE' ALI BIN HAJI AHMAD (Pontian Selatan).

DR AWANG BIN HASSAN, S.MJ.

(Muar Selatan).


ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N.

(Kluang Selatan).

ENCHE' CHIA THYE POH (Singapore).

ENCHE' C. V. DEVAN NAIR (Bungsar).

DATU GANIE GILONG, P.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).

DR GOH KENG SWEE (Singapore).

DATO' SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, P.M.N.

(Johor Tenggara).

ENCHE' KADAM ANAK KIAI (Sarawak).

DATO' KHOO SIAK CHIEW, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' LEE KUAN Y EW (Singapore).

ENCHE' JOE MANJAJI (Sabah).

ENCHE' ONG KEE H UI (Sarawak).


ENCHE' QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Timor).

ENCHE' S. RAJARATNAM (Singapore).

ENCHE' SIM BOON LIANG (Sarawak).

DATU DONALD ALOYSIUS STEPHENS, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka).

ENCHE' YONG NYUK L IN (Singapore).

PRAYERS (Mr Speaker in the Chair) ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS MENGAJAR BAHASA KEBANGSAAN DI-SARAWAK 1.
Abang Othman bin Haji Moasili (Sarawak) bertanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran bahawa oleh kerana ada flkiran yang berbelah di-kalangan orang2 yang bukan Melayu di-Sarawak ber- kenaan dengan soal Bahasa Kebangsaan oleh kekurangan kemudahan2 untok akan mengajar, menimbangkan dengan sa-berapa segera-nya suatu ranchangan meminjamkan pakar2 ka-negeri Sarawak bagi mengajar Bahasa Kebangsaan.
ada-kah Kerajaan di-tubohkan The Minister of Education (Enche9 Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka memberitahu kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat bahawa Kerajaan Pusat telah menghantar sa- orang pensharah Bahasa Kebangsaan ka-Sarawak pada 22hb September, 1964, dan dua orang pensharah Bahasa Kebangsaan 28hb ka-Sabah September, 1964, bagi melateh penun- tut2 di-Maktab Latehan Guru di-kedua2 negeri itu supaya membolehkan semua guru2 yang lulus dari maktab itu kelak boleh mengajar Bahasa Kebangsaan di- sekolah2.
pada Langkah2 yang lain juga sedang di- dalam pertimbangan.

Enche' Stephen Yong Kuet Tze (Sarawak): Sir, in order that the National Language could be taught as widely as possible, I would like to ask 2171 14 OCTOBER 1964 2172 the Minister whether he would consider language available Malay making teachers to unaided schools.

made by the Honourable Member will be borne in mind in subsequent stages in connection with this report.

Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: I will consider that.


COMPOSITION OF TECHNICAL SUB-COMMITTEE TO EXAMINE TRAFFIC PLANS OF KUALA LUMPUR 2.

Dr Toh Chin Chye (Singapore) asks the Minister for Local Government and Housing what is the composition of the Technical Sub-Committee which has been set up to examine new traffic plans for Kuala Lumpur.
The Minister of Local Government and Housing (Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh): Sir, the composition of the Technical Sub-Committee, which has been set up to examine the traffic plans for Kuala Lumpur, is as follows: Municipal Engineer, Federal Capital—Chair- man.

Director of Public Works, States of Malaya.

and Country Commissioner of Town Planning (Co-opted), States of Malaya.

Municipal Secretary, Federal Capital.

Municipal Treasurer, Federal Capital.


the Dr Toh Chin Chye: Sir, will Minister seek the views of the local town planners or architects with reference to the report which has been submitted?

Dr Toh Chin Chye: Could the Minister indicate to the House how much the report has cost the Govern ment?

Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: Sir, I require prior notice to that question.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu): Could the Minister assure this House that the examination of this report will not take too long, and that whatever recom mendations that may come out of this Committee will be carried out as expeditiously as possible?

Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: Sir, I can assure the Honourable Member that I am just as keen as he is to see that the recommendations are being carried out.
But as the Honourable Member may be aware, the total cost in carrying out the recommendations of this report will be something in the region of $161 million.

I am quite sure Honourable Members of this House would like very careful consideration to be given to this report before we into any scheme costing $161 million.
launch DISPUTE BETWEEN TRAWL-NET FISHERMEN IN-SHORE FISHERMEN, NORTHERN PART OF STRAITS OF MALACCA AND Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: I would like a clarification the Honourable from Member what he meant by local town planners town planners in private practice, or is he referring to the State Town Planners?
architects—the and Dr Toh Chin Chye: I am referring to professional architects who have had experience in town planning and also in training engineers who have had traffic problems, people who are in private practice.

Would the Minister seek their views on this report?
Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh: Sir, in fact, this report was drawn up by a firm of well known consultants, and the report is at the moment under the study of the Technical Sub-Committee, which has, in fact, submitted certain views to the Advisory Committee, and the request to solve 3.
Dr Toh Chin Chye asks the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives what steps have been taken the dispute between fishermen and in-shore fishermen in the northern part of the Straits of Malacca and what is the number of trawl-net fishermen and in-shore fishermen involved in the dispute.
trawl-net The Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives (Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari): Sir, the crux of the problem lies in the effective control of trawling so that it will not interfere with the activities of in-shore fishermen using traditional gears.
My Ministry after considering the matter very carefully has with effect from 7th October this year launched a pilot scheme off the island of Pulau 2173 14 OCTOBER 1964 2174 to protect Langkawi designed to test the effective ness or otherwise of the control the measures proposed interests of in-shore fishermen.

These include delineation of trawling grounds and other terms and conditions which a strictly comply with.
The estimated number of fishermen who would wish to take up trawling in the northern part of the Straits of Malacca is almost 2,000 and the number of in-shore fishermen in the same area is about sixteen thousand.

trawl-net operator must Should this pilot project prove to be a success a definite decision on the question of then be arrived at.
trawling could Dr Lim Chong Eu (Tanjong): Sir, may I ask the Honourable Minister whether provision is also being consi dered for the pilot trawling scheme so land that alienated to them in Langkawi and that they can have a base established in Langkawi?

fishermen can have the Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Sir, that point will be considered before we finalise the whole scheme.
trawler Dr Lim Chong Eu: Sir, may I ask the Honourable Minister whether this pilot scheme also includes provision for from Penang fishermen Island and also from Pangkor and Lumut, or whether this pilot scheme only concerns the fishermen of Tanjong Dawai and North Kedah?

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: This is only a pilot scheme which involves only the fishermen of Kuala Kedah.
This scheme involves 420 fishermen who form themselves into a co-operative society and out of these 420, three hundred are Malays and 120 are Chinese.
the Dr Lim Chong Eu: Sir, can Honourable Minister assure this House that in view of the importance of the relationship between trawler fishermen and in-shore fishermen, and in view of the whole of North the Malacca Straits fishermen are involved, whether he would not also consider bringing the fishermen from Pangkor and from Penang Island into this pilot there are some scheme?

After all, that fact fishermen technical differences operating and fishermen who will be operating from Penang and from Pangkor.
from Kuala Kedah from the Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Sir, as I have indicated in my reply, this is final only a pilot project and decision with regard to trawling will have necessarily the results of this pilot project.

So, whether at a later stage we are going to bring in fishermen from Pulau Pangkor and from Penang Island will have to depend on the result of this project—in about two months' time.
to depend on to trawling is supposed Enche' Lim Kean Siew (Dato Kramat): Mr Speaker, Sir, is it not & fact that the bone of contention between the trawl-net fishermen and the in-shore fishermen is a question of areas in take which place and the limits of the depths of the sea-beds?

As I understand it, Mr Speaker, Sir, is it not a fact that the other fishermen oppose the trawl-net fishermen because they are coming too close in-shore?
If that is so, would not the question of a pilot scheme be a very simple matter of restricting trawler fishermen to certain areas and to seas of certain depths?

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Sir, that is exactly what we have in mind.

(Laughter).

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Then, I cannot understand why we should have a pilot scheme, as it is such a simple matter which even a layman like myself can understand.

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: It is not as simple as all that, Mr Speaker, Sir.
inspection at Enche' Geh Chong Keat (Penang the Utara): Mr Speaker, Sir, can Minister of Agriculture inform us what form of control that he has in his plan for landing point when the trawlers go out to the demar cation sites en route; in other words, to prevent illegal trawling on the way out to the demarcation sites and the way in?
the Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Sir, under this pilot project we have the 2175 14 OCTOBER 1964 2176 co-operation of the Police and also the Department of Fisheries, officers from the Department of Fisheries, who will see to it that these fishermen go out to the sea at the specified hours and come back also at the specified time.

So, in this way, we hope we can avoid illegal trawling within the pilot scheme that is now in operation.
Enche' Geh Chong Keat: Mr Spea ker, Sir, the Minister has not answered the my question on inspection at landing point; in other words, by looking at the type of fish we can know at what depths the fish had been caught.

{Laughter).

Could the Minister inform us what programme he has for deep sea fishing, in-shore fishing, coastal fishing, and fish culture on land, i.e., breeding reconsider in ponds, and encouraging pull trawl in the Indian Ocean?
Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: I think in order that I could give the right information to the House, I would require question.

of {Laughter).

notice that VISIT OF FOREIGN MINISTER OF FORMOSA the 4.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Prime Minister to state whether he is aware of the Foreign Minister of Formosa.

If so, would he state the purpose of such a visit.

the visit of The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, I am, of course, aware of the visit of the Foreign Minister of Taiwan.
In fact I had the pleasure and the honour and privilege of entertaining him to dinner.

I can see no harm in his visit at all as it is a goodwill visit.

The fact that we have no diplomatic relations with Taiwan does not preclude a visitor, or an official, from Taiwan visiting our country.
Sir, in respect of Taiwan, I might say here that the Taiwan Govern ment has provided much help to our farmers, who have been there on visit in batches of up to 200, and they were given an insight into all the technique of in Taiwan, whose agriculture, I might say, is very much in advance of many countries in South- East Asia—in fact, the whole of Asia.
Then, again, there have been very many agriculture visits to Taiwan by our businessmen, our officials, and our Ministers, who have gone there at the invitation of the Taiwan Government, either on social visits or to take part in conferences there.

In all of these visits, I might say that the Taiwan Government has been very hospitable and very kind to us.
Therefore, I think, the least we can do, when a Minister from Taiwan indicated that he wanted to visit this country, is to extend to him all facilities in recipro cation of all the help that has been given to our people.

So, I cannot see anything to question about in respect of the visit of the Foreign Minister from Taiwan.
Then, again, there have been from very many Chinese Muslims Taiwan, who have been here on frequent visits, and I do not see any difference between the visit of a Minister and the visit of an ordinary person from Taiwan.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable the Prime Minister has not indicated what was the purpose of the visit of the Foreign Minister of Taiwan.

Was it merely a social call that he wanted to pay on our Prime Minister?
The Prime Minister: It is purely a goodwill visit and a social call.

is the Honourable Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Prime Minister aware that during the visit of the said Foreign Minister of Formosa, there were press reports that Taiwan was offering facilities to train Malay sians the in guerilla warfare?

Honourable the Prime Minister aware of that statement, and if so, would he make any comment on it?
Is The Prime Minister: Well, Sir, the honest truth is that that matter was never brought up in any discussion with < me.

Therefore, I do not think there is any need for me to make any comment on it.

But, sometimes of course, press reports are not always correct—I think the Honourable Member should know about it {Laughter), because I got a letter from him today—or from his Party—to say that something appearing in the press is not correct.
So, why should he take so much interest about the visit of the Minister from Taiwan.

2177 14 OCTOBER 1964 2178 LIFTING OF BAN ON STUDENTS FOR GOING FORMOSA FURTHER STUDIES TO to 5.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Prime Minister for imposing a ban on students going to Formosa for further studies and for lifting them at a later date.
reasons state the The Minister of Home Affairs (Dato9 Dr Ismail): Mr Speaker, Sir, it has been the policy for many years now to allow our students to proceed to Formosa for further studies, and an average of approximately 370 students a year are believed to have gone to Formosa over the last three years.

Most of the students proceeding to Formosa for studies are students from Chinese Middle Schools and they normally seek into Secondary School or admission institutions of higher education in Formosa.
It was thought that after the recent reorganisation programme within the Nanyang University, this University would be able to cater for all the Chinese Middle School graduates seeking higher education.

It was, there fore, decided to discourage our youths from going further studies.

However, it is now understood that a number of the students going to Formosa for further studies would not be eligible for admission to the Nan yang University as they do not have the required qualifications for admission.
In order not to place any difficulties in the way of students going abroad for further studies, the restriction on the issue of travel facilities to Formosa was lifted.

to Formosa for that said Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, in view of what the Honourable Prime Minister cordial relations existed between us and For mosa, did the Honourable Minister of the adverse Home Affairs consider repercussions that might arise out of this decision to ban students going to Formosa before imposing that ban?
Dato9 Dr Ismail: Sir, I have naturally considered all factors before I came to a decision.

I do not make any irres ponsible decision on any subject.

Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Speaker, Sir, in view of the fact that the Honour able Prime Minister said that it was the Government policy at one time to encourage students to go to Universities in Formosa, may I ask whether, when these students are qualified and return to Malaya, their qualifications are made acceptable and jobs are made available to them?
Dato' Dr Ismail: Sir, I cannot follow the Honourable Member's argument.

So, I do not propose to answer him because his logic does not seem to convince me at all.

ALLEGED MISUSE OF FUNDS OF THE JINJANG LOCAL COUNCIL- REPORT 6.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Prime Minister to state if he is aware of a surprise check and investigation by the Auditor-General's Department into the misuse of public funds at the Jinjang Local Council, and whether the report of the investigation will be tabled in is this House and what action he proposing a to prevent take recurrence of such malpractice.
to in The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, I think the Honourable Member is aware that all matters affecting Local Councils are within the jurisdiction of the States, because he has brought this matter up, as I have read the press—and I hope it is correct—in the State Legislative Assembly.

Therefore, I have, in fact, no knowledge of the so-called misuse of funds at the Jinjang Local Council, whose affairs, as I have said, do not come within the scope of our jurisdiction.
However, I understand from the State Government that this matter and, therefore, perhaps, it might be con sidered as sub judice to discuss it here.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Prime Sir, will the Honourable Minister, whose portfolio includes the Audit Department, give an assurance that when the affair has been inves tigated by the State Government— the Honourable here may I inform Prime Minister that the State Govern to rejected my ment has investigate is it—and when all over, whether the report of this inves the 31st could be tigation on July request this investigation is under 2179 14 OCTOBER 1964 2180 tabled at this House?
All that I ask for is that, when all this is over, the report of that particular investigation be tabled in this House.

The Prime Minister: Well, Sir, I am not able to say whether, because it does not come within the jurisdiction of this House, we should table a State matter in this House.

However, if the Honourable Member is anxious to get hold of the report, I shall be very happy to supply him with one.

MOTION THE DEVELOPMENT MENTARY) (SUPPLE (No.


2) ESTIMATES, 1964 resolved immediately House itself into a Committee of the whole House.

(Supplementary) (No.

2) Estimates, 1964, considered in Committee.

The Development (Mr Speaker in the Chair) Heads 114 and 134— tambahan Enche' Tajudin bin Ali (Larut Utara): Tuan Pengerusi, saya minta kebenaran berchakap di-atas Head 134—Kehutan Malaya.
Tuan Pengerusi, sa-malam kita telah mendengar Menteri yang berkenaan membawa dan mene- rangkan sa-chara rengkas-nya di-atas wang perbelanjaan bagi ini.

Saya menyokong wang jurusan ini dan mengambil ke- tambahan sempatan memberi pandangan dan pendapat saya di-atas perkara yang ter- sebut.

Menteri telah menyatakan wang di-kehendaki untok membuat dapor penchelup kayu di-Kuala Lumpur.

Kalau saya tidak silap, Tuan Pengerusi, satu sa- demikian juga ada di-Ipoh.
Pada tahun 1963 saya laporan pendapatan daripada hasil dapor yang di-Ipoh itu, saya rasa, Tuan Pengerusi, dapor yang di-sebutkan oleh Menteri sa-malam di-Kuala Lumpur ini lebeh kurang sa-rupa dapor chelup kayu yang ada di-Ipoh.

Kalau saya tidak silap pendapat saya, Tuan Pengerusi, dapor di-Ipoh ini telah di-tubohkan dan telah di-jalankan perniagaan-nya hampir 10 tahun.

Laporan penda patan pada tahun 1963 lebeh kurang telah membacha penchelup tempat yang saya perbelanjaan Jadi, Tuan Pengerusi, pada $300.
anggaran dapor dan segala mesin yang ada di-Ipoh itu memakan belanja lebeh kurang $1/2 juta, pendapatan-nya tidak sampai $400 itu pun belum lagi kita dapat timbangkan kira2 yang sa-wajar yang saya ma'anakan di-sini, Tuan Yang di- Peruta, ia-itu gaji kaki-tangan dan sa- bagai-nya bagi menyelenggarakan urusan di-situ.

Saya berpendapat, Tuan Pengerusi, apa2 perniagaan yang di-jalankan oleh Kerajaan Perikatan chuma: (a) Menjadi chontoh tauladan kapada mempelajari orang2 Melayu jurusan perniagaan.
(b) Menjadi chontoh tauladan kapada perusahaan yang sa-umpama itu.

Jadi pada pendapatan saya, kalau sa- kira-nya dapor yang demikian hendak di-jalankan di-beri chontoh tauladan kapada orang2 Melayu untok mengam bil bahagian yang lebeh chergas sadikit dalam perniagaan kira bichara, ini sangat mendatangkan kerugian; dari pada perbelanjaan yang saya sebutkan terlebeh dahulu tadi hampir2 sa-tengah juta ringgit mendatangkan keuntongan hanya sa-banyak $300 sa-tahun.
Kita kata-lah $360 untok senang bagi per- bandingan, Tuan Pengerusi.

Jadi pen dapatan sa-hari lebeh kurang $1.

Per belanjaan yang saya rasa tentu-lah di- ambil bayaran gaji kira kaki-tangan sa-kian, tentu-lah dapor yang di-Ipoh tidak kurang itu memberi kerugian tiap2 daripada $10,000 pada tahun, jadi ini apa-kah chontoh tauladan-nya kapada orang2 Melayu.
Kalau hendak memberi chontoh tauladan bagini rupa Kerajaan Perikatan akan membuat satu perniagaan-nya sendiri melainkan berpandukan kapada dua perkara yang sebutkan saya mula2-nya tadi.

tidak-lah telah Sa-malam, Tuan Pengerusi, saya tahu daripada Menteri yang dapat berkenaan ada-lah wang sa-banyak $80,000 lagi akan di-bawa daripada bahagian Silviculture untok membuat dapor yang baharu di-Kuala Lumpur.
Jadi perkara ini saya kurang bersetuju, Tuan Pengerusi, kerana memikirkan banyak hutan kita sudah rosak binasa 2181 14 OCTOBER 1964 2182 takut tetapi saya dan kayu-kayan saperti yang kita keluarkan di-hutan belantara itu mesti- lah di-kira dan di-tanam sa-mula, kalau tidak lama kelamaan hutan kita tentu- lah habis.

Memandangkan kapada per- niagaan ini, Tuan Pengerusi, yang memakan belanja, saya tidak tahu di- Kuala Lumpur ini, saya mengambil chontoh di-Ipoh sa-tengah juta mem ber!
untok 30 sen, kalau kita jual sireh sahaja boleh dapat untong lebeh dari- pada 30 sen. Jadi, saya tidak marah Kerajaan, Tuan Pengerusi, dan saya tidak-lah marah Menteri yang ber- kenaan kerana Menteri ini baharu jawatan.

Ini saya sahaja memegang menyatakan terus-terang bukan pula kerana dia datang daripada negeri saya, saya takut orang2 yang menjalankan urusan ini, Tuan Pengerusi.
Saya boleh menyata terus-terang, kalau orang2 kan ini kurang faham dalam perniagaan, kami ahli2 perniagaan Perak—Dewan Per niagaan Perak sedia membantu dan kami boleh tunjok jalan atoran yang boleh memberi keuntongan kapada Kerajaan beratus ribu ringgit.
Barang- kali akan datang jawapan daripada Kerajaan mengatakan Kerajaan masok dalam lapangan perniagaan bukan ber- tujuan untong hendak mengambil tetapi, Tuan Pengerusi, apabila kita sebutkan perniagaan perkara yang akan terlintas dalam akal fikiran kita daripada satu sa'at ka-satu sa'at ia-lah menchari keuntongan.

Chuma orang hendak mati sahaja tidak berkehendak- kan wang.
Sa-lain daripada itu Kera jaan mustahak-lah atau mesti-lah ber- kehendakkan wang dan apabila kita sebut perniagaan mesti-lah kita hendak keuntongan.

Di-sini, Tuan Pengerusi, saya ingat suka hendak memberi kapada Menteri yang berkenaan mula2 untok perubahan daripada Silviculture kapada membuat dapor menchelup ini saya kurang bersetuju.
lapangan perniagaan Yang kedua-nya, berkenaan dengan hal-ehwal ini Menteri akan menjawab kemudian-nya tujuan Kementerian nanti, ada-lah bukan-lah menchelup kayu ini untok di-perniagakan bahkan hendak di-sede- kah kapada orang2 kampong atau pun orang2 dalam bandar.

Ini perkara lain tetapi kalau hendak berniaga mesti-lah chari jalan yang baik dan menchari keuntongan yang berpatutan.

Orang tua2 kita ada mengatakan, kalau ber itu ada-lah berniaga niaga bagini, buloh kasap angin "masok ia-itu keluar asap."
Sekian, Tuan Pengerusi.

saya saya semua The Minister of Lands and Mines (Enche' Mohamed Ghazali bin Haji Jawi): Tuan Pengerusi, suka hendak menjawab berkenaan dengan penjelasan yang di-beri oleh wakil Batu yang mengatakan di-dalam ucha- sa-malam pan sa-kali ranchangan2 di-tumpukan ada-lah kapada Ulu Gombak sahaja dan tidak meliputi di-dalam semua kawasan Malaya ini.

Sa-benar-nya permintaan di-buat ia-lah untok memperbaiki keadaan Hospital yang ada di-Ulu Gombak.
Hospital yang dudok di- bawah urusan Jabatan Orang2 Asli di-dalam Malaya ini ada dua, yang pertama sa-kali Ulu Gombak dan yang kedua Kuala Lipis.

Sa-lain daripada hospital2 itu pehak Kerajaan juga telah menyediakan tempat2 perubatan atau pusat2 perubatan di-seluroh negeri ini ia-itu di-dalam hutan2.

Maka dengan itu-lah perbelanjaan yang di- sebab kehendaki keba- nyakan-nya kapada Ulu) Gombak.

Per ran belanjaan changan yang lain telah pun di-dapati daripada Majlis ini di-dalam meshu- arat2 yang sudah2.
di-tumpukan berkenaan dengan itu itu Yang kedua, wakil Batu juga telah menyatakan ia-itu tidak ada di-sebut langsong berkenaan dengan soal edu cation facilities atau pun kemudahan2 pelajaran bagi orang2 asli ini.

Jadi telah yang sa-benar-nya perkara pun di-sediakan dan wang untok-nya telah di-dapati di-dalam perbelanjaan biasa Perbelanjaan Kemajuan.

Untok pengetahuan Majlis ini, saya suka-lah menyebutkan apa-kah kemudahan2 yang telah di-beri kapada orang2 asli ini.
Di-dalam Malaya kita ada mempunyai dua kubu atau fort, satu di-Perak dan satu lagi di-Kelantan.

Kita juga ada 11 pusat pentadbiran ia- itu di-tempat2 di-dalam hutan ini.

tidak melalui1 Kita ada dua buah hospital dan 30 pusat kesihatan.

Kita mempunyai 40 pusat perubatan yang di-gunakan untok memindahkan orang2 asli yang sakit.

2183 14 OCTOBER 1964 2184 Dalam hutan2 kita ada mempunyai 64 buah sekolah yang di-anjor dan di- jaga oleh Jabatan Orang2 Asli.
Kita mempunyai 10 chontoh perkampongan bagi orang2 asli, dan kita mempunyai 19 buah hostel bagi kanak2 orang asli belajar di-sekolah2 yang di-sediakan oleh Jabatan Orang2 Asli.

Kita juga telah menyediakan 13 buah rumah guru bagi guru2 yang mengajar anak2 orang asli itu.

Sa-benar-nya kemudahan2 ada-lah di-beri kapada orang2 asli dan saya juga mengaku kemudahan2 ini tidak menchukupi.
Insha Allah saya akan membawa dari satu masa ka-satu masa ini untok permintaan kapada Majlis memberi bantuan atau pun memberi perbelanjaan kemajuan bagi orang2 asli dan saya harap permintaan saya itu kelak akan dapat di-pertimbangkan dengan 'adil dan dapat kelulusan dari- pada Majlis ini.

Wakil daripada Lipis telah menya- takan permintaan $50,000 itu ada-lah sangat sadikit dan beliau berharap supaya di-besarkan.

Terima kaseh saya uchapkan dan insha Allah saya akan jalankan.
Berkenaan dengan per- tanyaan yang berhubong dengan hal perubatan di-tempat2 lain daripada ia-itu kita ada Pusat2 Ulu Gombak Kesihatan di-seluroh tempat2 di-mana ada orang2 asli.

Beliau telah menge- shorkan supaya menyatu dan memin- dahkan orang2 asli itu ka-satu tempat senang di-beri kemudahan2 supaya kapada mereka.
Saya telah terangkan perkara itu kelmarin atau pun sa- malam dalam jawapan saya kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Kuala Langat ia-itu pehak Kerajaan ada-lah berikhtiar mengumpulkan orang2 asli yang berselerak dalam di-tempatkan hutan supaya mereka dapat kita membawa orang2 asli itu ka-dalam musharakat pendudok2 yang ada di-kampong.

Maka dengan chara itu sahaja-lah barangkali kita dapat menjinakkan atau memberi kemajuan2 kapada orang2 asli itu.
Tetapi saya suka-lah menarek perhatian Majlis ini berapa susah-nya kita hendak mem bawa orang2 asli yang tinggal di-hulu2, yang tinggal di-hutan untok di-bawa ka-kampong, oleh sebab 'adat mereka di-Malaya ka-tepi2 ini kampong untok menurut tidak boleh saperti kematian atau keperchayaan mereka, resmi mereka dan sa-bagai-nya.
Ada kala-nya kita telah menempatkan satu tempat sa- lama 10 tahun, apabila berlaku satu2 perkara sa- keperchayaan bagai-nya tinggal mereka, mereka lagi di-tempat itu, maka pagi esok-nya manakala kita sampai di-tempat itu telah hilang semua sa-kali.

mereka ini berlaku dalam pentad- Perkara tetapi Jabatan Orang Asli, biran walau bagaimana pun pehak jabatan orang asli ada-lah sentiasa berikhtiar untok mengumpulkan orang2 ini dan membawa mereka ini ka-dalam mu sharakat pendudok2 yang ada di-kam pong2.
juga ia-lah $1,200.

Saya Wakil dari Lipis juga telah menya- takan rumah yang hendak di-dirikan untok pegawai2 itu dengan harga $500 sangat murah, yang sa-benar- nya bukan $500 tetapi $500 ada- lah untok membuat satu tempat per- hentian khas, harga rumah pegawai2 itu faham $1,200 untok sa-buah rumah ada-lah berpatutan, sa-kira-nya tetapi kalau kita hendak menjinakkan kambing, mithal-nya, atau ayam, kita gunakan panggilan lain atau chara lain.
Tentu- lah kita tidak dapat jalankan kalau kita mensesuaikan dengan orang2 asli.

tidak-lah boleh kita hendak Maka membena istana dalam hutan di-mana orang2 asli itu tinggal.

Kita terpaksa buat rumah yang lebeh chantek sa dikit supaya dapat pegawai2 itu ber- damping diri dengan orang2 asli itu dan dengan chara ini orang2 asli itu akan menjadi jinak dan dapat kita memberi kemu dahan2 dan kemajuan kapada mereka.

rapat mensesuaikan lain2 lagi.


Saya sendiri tengah manakala mereka Wakil daripada Kuala Langat telah juga menyatakan ia-itu orang2 asli itu telah pun menjadi mangsa kapada orang2 itu menjual getah jelutong atau pun ubi2 dan faham dengan perkara itu dan Jabatan Orang Asli sendiri ada-lah menjalankan, lang- kah2 bagi menolong menjualkan hasil yang di-bawa ka-luar daripada hutan itu.
Satu daripada chontoh-nya, satu masa dahulu pehak Jabatan Orang Asli ini membawa keluar 200 orang asli di-Hulu Kelantan ka-satu pekan 2185 14 OCTOBER 1964 2186 yang bernama Pertam, dan di-situ pekerja2 luar atau pun Field Assistant ini telah menolong orang2 asli ini menjualkan getah jelutong di-pekan itu dan pen- dapatan daripada jualan getah itu ia-lah $18,000.
Jadi, dengan chara itu orang2 asli itu tidak- lah dapat di-tipu oleh orang2 tengah dan langkah yang sa-umpama itu akan terus di-jalankan di-seluroh Malaysia ini.

di-dapati sa-umpama-nya Wakil daripada Larut Utara telah juga mengkeritik dan menegor ber kenaan dengan dapor untok menge- maskan kayu2 yang akan di-bawa ka- Kuala Lumpur dengan menunjokkan satu chontoh, satu dapor atau satu tempat yang ia-itu di-buat di-Ipoh beberapa tahun yang lepas.
Di-sini saya suka menegaskan kapada wakil ini pehak Jabatan Hutan atau pun Kerajaan tidak-lah menjalan- kan usaha2 ini untok berniaga atau untok menchari untong dan sa-bagai- nya.

Tetapi apa yang di-jalankan ber kenaan dengan membuat dapor ini ada-lah sa-bagai research atau pun penyelidekan oleh Jabatan Hutan itu.

Kita tidak berharap kapada untong, tetapi kita berharap kapada peng- tahuan dan pelajaran yang di-dapati daripada hasil penyelidekan itu.
Hasil penyelidekan daripada dapor yang di-buat itu ada-lah chambah-nya be berapa banyak buah dapor2 atau pun gudang2 yang di-buat untok mengemas kayu di-seluroh Malaysia ini.

Kita da- pati di-Kuala Lumpur banyak, di-Ipoh pun banyak.

Ini ada-lah hasil yang di-buat di-Ipoh, dapor yang di-Ipoh itu menggunakan chara merebuskan kayu2 itu dan di-buboh ubat2.

Tetapi dapor yang di-buat di-Kuala Lumpur ini kita akan "steamkan" atau wapkan dan di-buboh ubat2.
Pehak Kerajaan juga tidak berharap keuntongan dari pada dapor perchubaan yang kita buat di-Kuala Lumpur ini, tetapi kita harap hasil penyelisekan itu akan dapat di- gunakan oleh termasok-lah juga wakil dari Larut Utara sa-kira- nya ingin berniaga dalam aliran berkenaan dengan wap kayu, menge- maskan kayu dan sa-bagai-nya.
ra'ayat, ia Berkenaan dengan satu tegoran lagi di-tanam itu ia-itu sa-mula maka hutan2 hendak-lah langkah ka-arah sa-bagai-nya, ada-lah di-jalankan dengan beres-nya oleh Kerajaan pada masa ini dan ini kita untok pengetahuan Majlis bukan sahaja menanamkan kayu2 itu daripada jenis yang ada dalam Malay sia ini, sa-umpama chengal, meranti dan juga jati di-utara Tanah menanam kayu Melayu dan kita menanam pine juga di-tempat perchubaan kita di-Kepong.
Kita tidak-lah chuma mengharapkan jenis2 kayu di-Tanah Melayu ini sa haja, tetapi kita juga menanam jenis2 kayu yang lain yang agak boleh mem- beri keuntongan yang lebeh besar kapada kita.

tetapi kita Sakian-lah, Tuan Pengerusi, perkara yang di-bangkitkan yang perlu saya jawab, terima kaseh.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah (Kelantan Hilir): Saya bertanya ka pada Yang Berhormat soalan yang di-sebutkan dalam jawapan itu, saya tidak puas hati.
Mr Chairman: Bila Menteri men- tidak jawab bagi pehak Kerajaan, ada-lah lagi boleh di-sampok sa-kadar Ahli Yang Berhormat kalau hendak bertanya saya benarkan.

boleh-lah sadikit, jawapan Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Terima kaseh, Tuan Pengerusi, di- dalam telah di-katakan itu oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat bahawa hasil getah jelutong yang telah dapat di-jual oleh Forest Assistant di-Ber- tam sana, untok mengadakan pen- jualan itu telah mendapat hasil yang baik.
Ada-kah jualan itu hasil dari pada satu marketing organisation yang telah di-jalankan oleh pehak Kerajaan, atau pun initiative itu daripada Forest Assistant itu sahaja.

Kalau sa-kira-nya jualan ini di-jalankan daripada initia tive daripada Forest Assistant, apa- kah nasib orang2 asli yang lain lagi yang telah menjadi mangsa kapada orang tengah itu.
Enche9 Mohamed Ghazali bin Jawi: Tuan Pengerusi, sa-bagaimana yang telah saya ia-itu arahan kapada pegawai2 luar Jabatan Orang Asli supaya mereka menolong menjual barang2 yang di- bawa keluar oleh orang2 asli ini.
Pada telah di-beri terangkan 2187 14 OCTOBER 1964 2188 ini dapat tidak-lah pehak masa satu Jabatan Orang Asli membuat keluar ranchangan bagi membawa sa-kali barang2-nya, kerana semua sa-bagaimana yang telah saya sebut- kan ia-itu tabi'at orang2 asli ini ada- lah berlainan daripada tabi'at orang2 kita, dan keadaan orang2 asli ada-lah berlainan daripada orang2 kita.
Oleh sebab yang demikian, chara yang di- buat sekarang kira-nya ada orang2 asli yang hendak keluar membawa getah- jelutong di- nya lain, maka luar, pegawai orang asli akan ikut sama menyaksikan, atau menguruskan hal itu supaya jualan itu ada-lah di-jalan- kan dengan sempurna-nya, dan orang2 asli itu tidak terkena tipu.

itu—menjual getah di-tempat2 atau Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $50,100 for Head 114 and the sum of $10 for Head 134 agreed to stand part of the Develop ment (Supplementary) (No.
2) Esti mates, 1964.

Head 115— The Minister of Home Affairs and Minister of Justice (Dato9 Dr Ismail): Tuan Pengerusi, saya mohon mencha- supaya Kepala 115 yang dangkan menunjokkan sa- tanda peruntokan banyak $30 bagi Kementerian Perta- hanan sa-bagai tambahan untok tahun 1964 supaya di-persetujukan.
ada-lah Tuan, sa-bagaimana yang terehatit dalam Anggaran ini jumlah wang yang di- $6,305,744 sa-banyak barang2, kehendaki bagi membeli kereta2 dan perkakas2 perumahan yang sangat di-perlukan oleh Pasokan Per- tahanan Tempatan yang telah di- rombak sa-mula penubohan-nya dan juga yang telah di-perbanyakkan lagi jumlah ahli2-nya.

Peruntokan ini ia-lah jumlah tambahan kapada sa-bagai wang yang di-minta dalam Anggaran Perbelanjaan Tambahan tahun 1964.
Pasokan Pertahanan Tempatan pada masa dahulu hanya-lah di-tubohkan di-pekan2 dan tempat2 yang besar sa- haja, dan jumlah orang-nya ada-lah sangat sadikit, tetapi pada masa ini oleh kerana paksaan keadaan, pasokan ini di-perluaskan lagi dengan menuboh- kan pasokan2 di-merata2 pekan dan kampong yang di-anggap mustahak untok menjaga keamanan di-tempat2 itu.

Jumlah ahli2 yang telah di-tambah ganda.


Wang sa-banyak berlipat $69,044 ada-lah di-kehendaki bagi membeli perkakas dan barang2 peru mahan untok tambahan ahli2 pasokan itu.

serta Sa-jumlah lebeh kurang $4,000,000 lagi ada-lah di-kehendaki untok mem beli barang2 store teknik, sapejrti sam pan jentera yang di-gunakan di-sungai dan barang2 store 'am, terma- sok di-dalam-nya alat2 perkemahan, perkakas memasak, alat2 barang hutan dan lain2 lagi.
Kenderaan yang ada dalam Pasokan Pertahanan Tempatan pada masa ini tidak menchukupi untok kegunaan tambahan ahli2 pasokan itu.

Oleh itu wang sa-banyak $2,236,700 ada-lah untok membeli kereta saperti lori tiga ton, Austin 7 dan juga untok membeli perkakas simpanan untok ken deraan.

Tuan, saya mohon menchadangkan.
ia-itu penoh sangat dengan sadikit, kerana Dato' Dr Haji Megat Khas (Kuala Kangsar): Tuan Pengerusi, saya me- ngambil peluang di-sini sambil menyo- kong permohonan daripada Menteri Pertahanan berke- naan dengan wang tambahan itu, tetapi saya ia-itu juga menyatakan di-sini wang tambahan sa-banyak $30 itu ber- jumlah sa- telah kita dengar bagaimana yang baharu tadi keterangan daripada Yang Berhormat Menteri Pertahanan me- pasokan ngatakan di-tempat2 pertahanan banyak kekurangan segala kelengkapan2 dan perkakas2-nya, terutama sa-kali ia-lah kenderaan.
Bagi pengertian kita hen- dak-lah kita fahamkan Pertahanan Tempatan itu terbahagi di-atas 2 baha- gian: Pasokan yang bersenjata, Pa tidak bersenjata.

Yang sokan yang saya kehendaki di-sini ia-lah perun tokan bagi Civil Defence yang saya di-adakan sendiri perchaya pegawai2-nya pejabat-nya dan yang menguruskan ia-itu yang di-ambil berat oleh Kerajaan Perikatan, kerana barangkali kawalan2 itu telah ada Dato' Dr Ismail: Mr Chairman, Sir, on a point of order, 36 (1).
I am sorry 2189 14 OCTOBER 1964 2190 is nothing to interrupt the Honourable Member.

I think we are now in Committee to consider the details of the Estimates whereby Members are asked only to speak on the items for which money is asked.

There this Head 115 to mention anything about Civil Defence, and we are not asking any money for Civil Defence.
I am sorry to interrupt but I think we should confine ourselves to the details as stated under Head 115, and in that case, I think, we can go through our debate much quicker than we have done so far.

in Mr Chairman: Saya minta-lah tuan itu di-atas tumpukan bahathan Kepala 115 dalam itu sahaja—tiga perkara itu sahaja yang kita bahathkan; lain yang termasok dalam Kepala 115 itu.
tuan tiga perkara tidak perkara2 Dato' Dr Haji Megat Khas: Tuan Pengerusi, saya berasa dukachita, ke rana nampak-nya fahaman saya di-atas Local Defence itu, atau pun Pertahanan Tempatan itu tidak dapat hendak di- huraikan dan tidak dapat ta'arif yang sa-benar-nya.
Jadi, saya berasa sung- goh pun perkara Civil Defence tidak masok di-sini—ia-itu saya mengarah- kan perhatian Rumah yang berbahagia ini—ia-itu perkara Civil Defence itu satu daripada perkara yang patut di- ambil berat, bukan saya merasa perkara2 yang tidak ada terchatit di- sini di-bangkang, bahkan saya telah menyokong dengan sa-kuat2-nya dan mengatakan wang yang sa-banyak $30 yang di-kehendaki bagi Local Defence itu sangat sadikit, tetapi yang saya berkehendakkan ia-itu Civil Defence— satu bahagian daripada Civil Defence hendak-lah di-beri pertimbangan yang lebeh berat.
Demikian-lah sahaja, Tuan Pengerusi.

Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah (Bachok): Tuan Pengerusi, di-bawah Kepala 115 ini, saya suka hendak ber- chakap sadikit berkenaan dengan sub head (i) ia-itu perkakas2.

Di-kawasan satu saya ia-itu di-Bachok ada-lah kawasan pantai dan kawasan ini mustahak-lah sangat di-beri perhatian sa-bagai satu kawasan pertahanan.
Baharu2 ini Kerajaan telah pun mengi- rimkan Pasokan2 Kawalan pergi di-situ, tetapi di-situ ada satu store yang di- buat dengan zing—satu company yang dudok di-situ ia-itu satu company yang biasa-nya boleh dudok 100 orang lebeh lebeh di-tempat itu, saya rasa tidak daripada 60 orang yang boleh dudok di-tempat itu.
Jadi, alang-kah susah- nya askar2 kita itu hendak ber-camp dalam tempat itu, dan saya dapati ke- tempat lengkapan berkenaan dengan tidor mithal-nya, dan dapor tempat memasak tidak ada, pada hal company kita yang dudok di-situ tidak kurang daripada satu minggu, dan dua tiga hari ini menyebabkan amat susah pada company itu, mengikut perhatian saya.
itu Sa-lain daripada itu tidak-lah saya hendak meminta supaya di-lengkapkan pantai itu sa-bagai satu kubu pertaha nan, tetapi oleh kerana tiap2 pantai itu-lah yang patut menjadi tempat per hatian, maka perkakas2 yang sa- macham ini patut di-banyakkan lebeh banyak di-lengkapkan tempat2 di-dalam pekan.
Saya dapat tahu di-situ tidak ada vehicle atau kereta2 spare, sa-mata2 kita berharap kapada kereta polis yang ada di-situ, sedang kereta polis di-situ pun tidak chukup untok menjalankan tugas- nya di-tempat itu.

Jadi, Tuan Penge rusi, ini saya bimbang sebab kalau tidak di-beri perhatian nasib kita ini akan mudah di-tembus oleh musoh sa-bagaimana di-Pontian dan di-pantai2 yang sa-macham itu.
Jadi, ini-lah yang saya menarek perhatian kerana banyak kali sangat kita dengar dalam surat- khabar yang bermacham2 berita, sama ada boleh di-perchayai atau pun tidak bahawa yang pantai Bachok itu men jadi ugutan kapada tempat kita.
Sa-lain daripada itu, saya suka me- nyentoh sadikit untok pengetahuan Yang Berhormat Menteri ia-itu tidak patut sangat-lah di-dalam sa'at yang sa-macham ini ada Ahli2 Yang Berhor mat kita menudoh bahawa Parti PAS ini langsong tidak mahu Mr Chairman: Perkara itu tidak ada kena-mengena.

Saya harap tumpukan- lah sahaja kapada masaalah yang di- hadapan kita ini.
Enche9 Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak tanya dan minta penjelasan daripada Menteri kita ia-itu—whether or not the Government 2191 14 OCTOBER 1964 2192 share the statement yang di-buat oleh sa-orang Ahli sa-malam—saya lupa nama Ahli itu—bahawa pehak parti pemerentah ini bershukor dan berterima kaseh kapada pegawai2 kerajaan yang tidak mahu menerima ahli2 PAS ini menjadi Dato' Dr Ismail: Sir, propose to answer him at all.
I do not Mr Chairman: Saya sudah beritahu tadi tidak usah-lah masokkan perkara itu.

Enche* Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Ta' ada apa2 lagi, Tuan Pengerusi.

Terima kaseh.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Tuan Pengerusi, saya berchakap dalam Head 115—Federation Armed Forces (Malaya).
Walau pun $30 ini sa-bagai token vote, tetapi saya perchaya ada- lah perbelanjaan2 yang lebeh banyak akan di-belanjakan untok menyiapkan dan memberi perkakas2 dan senjata yang mustahak bagi tentera dan juga kawalan2 kampong kita supaya tugas mereka dapat di-jalankan dengan lichin.

Saya semenjak tahun 1962 lagi telah memberi sokongan yang besar kapada Kerajaan di-dalam perkara pertahanan, telah menchadangkan sa-hingga saya satu supaya Kerajaan mengadakan factory untok membuat senjata2 kechil lagi.
Saya berdiri di-sini dan untok menjawab satu tudohan yang telah di-buat dalam surat-khabar yang telah pun di-sebutkan di-sini oleh .

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.. lain2 Mr Chairman: Bila Dato' Dr Ismail: Sir, on a point of order—36 (1).

We are not speaking on the general debate on this item at all.

dia minta kebenaran biasa-nya awak dudok-lah (kapada Tuan Haji Ahmad).

Saya ter- paksa-lah menguatkan ia-itu masa kita ini sadikit dan banyak benda2 yang kita hendak bahathkan.
Biar-lah kita tumpukan hujah atau bahathan kita dalam perkara yang ter- ta' usah-lah kita kait tentu sahaja, perkara lain, nanti banyak sangkut- paut-nya.

Tumpukan-lah kapada masa- alah yang di-hadapan kita.

sadikit Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: .

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.. tetapi, Tuan Pengerusi, ini satu tudohan yang paling berat ka-atas saya.

Saya fikir saya berhak menjawab sadi kit dalam dua tiga minit apa yang saya telah tutorkan di-sana.

Mr Chairman: Saya telah beri ruling ia-itu 36 (1).


Perkara itu jangan-lah di-chakapkan lagi.

Kalau hendak ber- chakap yang lain, boleh.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew (Dato Kramat): Mr Chairman, Sir, I did not quite understand your ruling.

I think you said just now that, once the Minis ter replies, the debate is closed?

Mr Chairman: No.

He can speak!


Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Sir, I would to ask certain questions which like might necessitate a reply from the Honourable Minister of Defence—and I do not want to make the mistake of the Honourable Member for Kuala Kangsar, who mistook a token vote of $30 to be a real vote and therefore he made a long speech which was entirely irrelevant (Laughter).
I would like to ask whether the Local Defence Corps is similar to the Civil Defence, or whether this is going to be a new Department which is entirely separate from Civil Defence, and whether or not Army Stores include weaponry or merely sampans and camping equipment.

Enche' Aziz bin (Muar Dalam): Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka berchakap sadikit sahaja Ishak Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Sir, I have not got an answer!

Mr Chairman: He will answer later on.
ini kerana Enche' Aziz bin Ishak: Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka berchakap sadikit sahaja berkenaan dengan Pasokan Per tahanan Tempatan saya telah mendapat pengaduan kegelisahan beberapa orang Pasokan Pertahanan Tempatan ini, ia-itu sekarang ini ba nyak pasokan2 ini telah di-tempatkan untok menjaga di-tempat2 yang mus tahak di-dalam ini, tetapi apa yang mereka itu gelisahkan ia-itu pertama sa-kali mereka ini tidak dapat pakaian yang chukup, kerana sekarang ini hanya sa-helai sahaja baju yang di-beri dan kadang2 ada yang tidak di-berikan uniform.
Yang kedua, di-tempat2 mereka itu di-tempatkan tidor sa-umpama tempat tidak ada tanah ayer kita 2193 14 OCTOBER 1964 2194 tilam, bantal dan kelambu.

Jadi, ini saya minta bagi pehak yang berkenaan mempertimbangkan dengan segera per- kara ini.

Satu perkara lagi saya ter- paksa juga chakapkan ia-itu berkenaan dengan pembayaran elaun kapada mereka itu selalu lambat.

Saya harap dapat Mr Chairman: Perkara termasok dalam perkara ini.

itu tidak Enche' Aziz bin Ishak: Itu sahaja, Tuan Pengerusi.
Dato' Dr Ismail: In regard to the member for Dato Kramat, I think the time for questions and answers is over, and I do not propose to answer his questions.

"Local Defence" Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Chair man, Sir, surely the House is entitled to an answer to a simple question, whether Local Defence means Civil Defence or is it a separate Section?

Here the Government is asking for a token vote of $30 to establish a Local Defence Corps and I was asking the and meaning of whether it included "Civil Defence".
If the Honourable Acting Minister of Defence does not wish to answer the question, then he is not fulfilling the functions as a Minister to this House, because any enquiries as regards expen diture and the meaning of the various Headings of Expenditure should at least be explained and that Question Time is over and therefore he does not wish to explain is, if I may say so, rather, to put it most favour ably, attempting to treat the Opposi tion with contempt.

I don't understand!
I don't understand!

Perhaps he thinks that I have a sinister motive in my question, but certainly I have'nt.

I just want to know whether Local Defence Corps is going to be a separate section to Civil Defence Corps; if it was not going to be separate, what I was going to suggest was why don't we put it under Civil Defence because Local Defence and Civil Defence would be the same thing.

And if it is not the same thing, then he should explain why it is not the same thing and why it should be separate.
to say Dato' Dr Ismail: Sir, I am not trying to lecture Honourable Members on how to conduct themselves in this House.

We are here to abide by the Standing Rules and Orders.

If there are any questions to be asked, there is a time for questions to be asked.

Before they come to debate on any subject in this House, I expect the Honourable Mem bers to do some home work and not to ask questions when the time is not the Question Time.
Enche' Lim Kean Siew: With the greatest respect to the Acting Minister of Defence, there is a Question Time on general matters.

But when we come to a Committee Stage dealing with Development Estimates, is also, within the rules of debate, permissible to ask questions.

This is not the Ques tion Time which is set out at the beginning of each morning for members of this House to ask general questions on general topics; but this is a ques tion upon a Head of Expenditure and this is the Committee Stage.
it Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $30 for Head 115 agreed the Development (No.

2) Estimates, to stand part of (Supplementary) 1964.

Head 118— Dato' Dr Ismail: Mr Chairman, Sir, I beg to move that the sum of $7,020 shown under Head 118—Royal Malay sia Police (Malaya)—be approved.
Sub-head 50: Police Launches— the To meet increasing threat of Indonesian infiltration it was necessary to strengthen the Marine Branch of the Royal Malaysia Police by providing launches, by additional coast-patrol equipping existing patrol launches with Radar and by re-engining some of the older launches.

to be increased To meet this, the estimated cost of $5,484,000 shown in the 1964 estimates to $7,559,000.
had However, as funds to meet physical expenditure for this year can be pro vided by Virement, only a token sum of $10 is required.

Sub-head 73: Police Radio Communi cations— In the 1964 Development Estimates the $1.18 million were provided for 2195 14 OCTOBER 1964 2196 purchase of Radio Equipment required for the setting up of the Police Radio Communications for Malaysia.
In July, 1964, this estimated cost had to be revised in order to provide for the acquisition of sites, construction of buildings, installation of power supplies.

The estimated cost of this at hand is $914,759 and as savings are available to provide this amount by Virement, only a token sum of $10 is required.

Sub-head 78: Police Training Schools— Preliminary Survey— With regard to Sub-head 78, a sum of $7,000 is required.
With the forma tion of the Royal Malaysia Police, an the training require examination of ments revealed that facilities would have to be provided for centralised basic training for all ranks and centra lised higher training and advanced training for officers and members of the rank and file.

The existing facilities at the Police Depot Headquarters and the Police College are adequate for basic training and higher training for officers, for advanced but training cannot be met.
To meet the requirements for advanced training it is the Singapore proposed Police Training School and for this purpose it is necessary to have the site surveyed and the soil tested.

requirements rebuild the to As stated in the Command Paper, the sum of $7,000 has already been the Contingencies advanced Reserve.

from Sir, I beg to move.


Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Chair man, Sir, I propose to ask another question and if I am going against the Standing Orders of this House, Sir, you may rule me out of order; but I don't the Acting Minister of Defence should usurp your authority and put it upon his head—I am sorry, now he the Minister of Home Affairs!

think is Sir, the question I would like to ask is on Sub-head 50, Police Launches.
Although a token vote of $10 only is supplementary asked these $4.5 million estimates, is proposed spent next year.

According to the Honourable Minister in about to be for to whether of Home Affairs, this is in order to meet Indonesian aggression.

If it is to meet Indonesian aggression, then the question would be pertinent as to what kind of patrol launches these would be; as they would be cannon carrying craft or perhaps rocket craft; and whether they are to be used for military purposes?
If they are to be used for military purposes, why should not this expenditure go into the Ministry of Defence and put these as launches, because, Sir, there military is a growing fear today—as has been explained by me before, the day before yesterday—that there are about 15,000 soldiers under arms in Malaya and 120,000 police personnel and a wing of the Police personnel is a para-military force.

Are to these police carry out routine police patrols, or to meet the military threat of Indonesian gun boats?
If it is so, then these would be military craft and should really go into the other Head of Expenditure under the Ministry of Defence.

Perhaps the kind Honourable Minister of Home answer my Affairs would kindly question.

launches daripada Kuala Enche' Abdul Razak bin Haji Hussin (Lipis): Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak berchakap dalam masaalah Kepala 118, Kepala Kechil 50—Motor Boat Polis.

Saya minta Menteri Yang Berhormat memberikan peruntokan kapada motor-boat2 Polis di-daerah Jerantut.
Jerantut pada masa ini sudah menjadi sa-buah jajahan dan mem- punyai pengawasan Polis yang ber- sendirian Lipis.

Sa-panjang yang saya ma'alum dalam raya dahulu masa motor-boat Polis sangat dzaif kerana lambat di-sebabkan mengguna- kan motor-boat yang kechil saya fikir lebeh lambat daripada motor-boat orang persaorangan.
Jadi oleh sebab di-daerah sungai menjadi ganti jalan raya yang sa-panjang lebeh 120 batu, saya minta-lah Menteri Yang Berhormat menimbangkan dalam masa peruntokan memberi kemudahan ka pada ketua pegawai Polis menambah- kan di-daerah Jerantut ini.
tempoh pilehan ini motor-boat2-nya Jerantut, Saya tidak menyentoh masaalah yang sama2 kita ma'alum, tetapi kalau 2197 14 OCTOBER 1964 2198 sa-kira-nya kemudahan itu di-beri kita satu2 boleh mengatasi bila berlaku kemalangan satu2 perkara yang betul2 mustahak kita atasi.

Sakian-lah harapan saya kapada Menteri Yang Berhormat dan saya berharap dapat di-pertim- bangkan, terima kaseh.

Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $7,020 for Head 118 agreed to stand part of the Develop ment (Supplementary) (No.
2) Esti mates, 1964.

Heads 122 and 161— Dato' Dr Ismail: Tuan Pengerusi, saya chuma hendak menjawab atas tegoran yang di-datangkan oleh Yang Berhormat dari Bachok berkenaan dengan soal kelengkapan dan setor dan juga atas tegoran tentang lantai camp yang ada di-tempat yang di-sebutkan- nya itu.

Di-sini saya suka-lah menya- tiap2 orang yang takan masok dalam Local Defence Corps kelengkapan dia telah di-ator dan saya akan selidek apa2 kalau boleh di-tambah bagaimana yang di-shorkan-nya itu.
itu memang ia-itu bagi Bagitu juga jawapan saya kapada wakil Muar Dalam dan jika boleh-lah di-tambah telah di-tetapkan itu saya akan selidek.
sa-bagaimana yang "observation", not Sir, in reply to the observation (I say "question", because it is not Question Time) as to why Sub-head 50 should be placed under the heading of "Police Launches" and not under "Military", I would like to draw the Honourable Member's attention—he has been in this House long enough to know it—that there is such a thing as "Marine Police", and these Police launches will be under the Marine Police.
Atas tegoran Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Lipis, kita memang-lah tahu kebanyakan motor-boat2 kita pada laju, masa sekarang ini tidak berapa itu-lah sebab-nya dari masa ka-samasa kita akan tambah dengan motor-boat2 lagi.

Tetapi dengan yang lebeh laju sebab soal kita memberi-lah konfrontasi sadikit insha Allah dan lambat laun motor-boat2 yang lambat2 itu akan di-tukar dengan motor-boat2 yang lebeh laju lagi.
soalan kewangan dan ini, priority Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Chair man, Sir, I am very glad to hear that at last our Government is desiring to use the Marine Police the to meet Indonesian aggression.

{Laughter).
saya The Minister of Education (Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib): Tuan Pengerusi, dengan kebenaran tuan, ingin mengemukakan Kepala 122 dan Kepala 161 sa-kali gus dan saya suka memberi penjelasan yang rengkas berkenaan dengan per- untokan oleh di-dalam Kementerian (Tambahan) Anggaran Perbelanjaan (Bilangan 2) Pembangunan saperti di-tunjokkan di-bawah Kepala 122— Pelajaran (Malaya) dan Kepala 161— Pelajaran (Sabah) di-dalam Kertas Titah Bilangan 27 thaun 1964. di-kehendaki Pelajaran yang Pechahan-kepala 3—Ranchangan Se- kolah2 Menengah— Sa-bagaimana Ahli2 Yang Berhormat telah mem- sedia ma'alum, Kerajaan buat keputusan untok memansokhkan Pepereksaan Masok Sekolah Menengah dan Sistem Pelajaran Sekolah Anika akan di-mulakan di-Negeri2 Jurusan di-Malaya dari lhb Januari, 1965.
Oleh kerana perubahan ini, semua murid2 Darjah VI di-sekolah2 rendah boleh naik terus ka-Tingkatan I di-Sekolah suka Menengah (atau jika mereka jika mereka masok kelas Peralehan hendak masok Sekolah Menengah yang berlainan bahasa pengantar-nya).

Ini tiap2 murid ada-lah bererti bahawa akan sa-lama berpeluang sembilan tahun ia-itu enam tahun di- sekolah rendah dan tahun di- Sekolah Menengah Rendah.
Untok mengadakan tempat2 bagi murid2 itu maka beberapa sekolah baharu dan bilek2 darjah terpaksa-lah tambahan di-bena dan bagi pekerjaan ini per belanjaan sa-banyak $27,441,580 ada- lah di-kehendaki dalam tahun 1964 di- bawah pechahan-kepala ini.

Tetapi kerja2 yang memakan belanja sa-banyak $12.5 juta sahaja yang boleh di-siapkan sa-belum 3lhb Disember, 1964.
Oleh kerana Kementerian dapat menjimatkan juta daripada wang sa-banyak $6.8 122 peruntokan di-bawah Kepala belajar tiga 2199 14 OCTOBER 1964 2200 Anggaran Perbelanjaan tahun 1964 maka hanya sa-banyak $5.7 juta sahaja yang di-kehendaki untok pechahan kepala ini.

Pechahan-kepala Sekolah di-Luar-bandar— 10—Rumah2 Guru Rumah2 Guru Sekolah di-Luar-bandar akan di-kehendaki di-bawah Rancha- ngan Sekolah Anika Jurusan dan sa- banyak $1 juta ada-lah di-kehendaki untok ini.
Pechahan-kepala 20—Bantuan Modal untok Kolej Islam, Kelang— Sa-bagaimana Ahli2 Yang Berhormat Islam Tanah sedia ma'alum, Kolej Melayu, Kelang telah di-tubohkan pada tahun 1955.

Kolej itu telah di-tubohkan dengan tujuan hendak mengadakan sa-buah maktab yang boleh memberi tinggi, boleh pengajian menjadikan sa-buah pusat bagi semua sekolah ugama dan Sekolah Arab dan melateh guru2 yang berkebolehan.

Islam yang Kerajaan Persekutuan ada memberi bantuan untok perbelanjaan tiap2 tahun bagi Kolej itu.
tiga kali telah bertambah maju Di-bawah urusan Majlis-nya Kolej itu semenjak di-tubohkan pada tahun 1955.

Bilangan penuntut2 ganda telah semenjak itu di-tubohkan; bangunan yang ada sekarang tidak-lah tidak dapat di- dan menchukupi tapak yang lagi di-atas perbesarkan ada sekarang.

Oleh yang demikian keputusan telah di-ambil untok mem- bina satu bangunan baharu untok Kolej itu di-Petaling Jaya.
oleh Bagi mengadakan sa-buah bangunan baharu, Kolej telah meminta Islam bantuan sa-banyak $2.5 juta daripada Kementerian.

Permintaan ini telah di- timbangkan dengan teliti oleh Kerajaan dan telah di-tetapkan bahawa bantuan modal sa-banyak $2.5 juta akan di-beri kapada Kolej itu dengan sharat Kolej itu di-jadikan sa-buah Yayasan Pela- jaran menurut Fasal 25 (1) (/) di-dalam Undang2 Pelajaran tahun 1961 dengan ugama mengutamakan telah Islam.
Majlis Kolej bersetuju menerima pemberian sa- banyak $2.5 juta itu terta'alok kapada sharat ini.

Hanya sa-banyak $30,000 pengajaran Islam sahaja di-kehendaki pada ini dan, oleh yang demikian, peruntokan di-kehendaki tambahan sekarang.
ada-lah tahun Kepala 161—Pelajaran (Sabah) Pechahan-kepala 18—Sekolah Mene- ngah Luar Bandar, Keningau Peringkat I dan II— Ahli2 Yang Berhormat akan dapati bahawa Anggaran Perbelanjaan (Re vised Estimated Cost) untok projek di-bawah Pechahan-kepala ia-lah $733,730 dan dari jumlah ini sa-banyak $587,522 telah di-belanjakan sa-hingga 31hb Disember, 1963.

Baki sa-banyak $146,208 ada-lah di-kehendaki untok menyudahkan projek itu.
ini ada-lah $132,208 tahun 1964, di- Sa-banyak kehendaki pada tetapi peruntokan sa-banyak $72,024 sahaja telah di-adakan di-dalam Anggaran tahun ini.

Oleh yang demikian perun tokan Tambahan sa-banyak $60,184 ada-lah di-kehendaki sekarang.

Tuan, saya mohon menchadangkan.

Enche' Mohamed Daud bin Abdul Samad (Besut): Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka hendak berchakap sadikit di- dalam perkara Kepala 122—Pelajaran (Malaya).
Tuan Pengerusi, saya me- nyambut baik di-atas ranchangan bagi membanyakkan sekolah2 menengah ini, dan saya sukachita memberikan pan- dangan di-dalam Rumah yang mulia ini ini, apakala di-dirikan bangunan hendak-lah di-beri keutamaan kapada sekolah2 menengah kebangsaan yang di-luar bandar, sebab kita tahu pendu- dok2, atau pun ra'ayat di-luar bandar- lah yang maseh miskin dan maseh hidup dengan keadaan yang tidak mampu dan tidak terator-nya sampai pada masa ini.
Jadi, kalau sekolah menengah ini tidak di-beri keutamaan kapada pendudok2 luar bandar, walau pun sekolah menengah ini akan di- banyakkan, tetapi pendudok2 Melayu yang kebanyakan-nya hidup di-luar bandar tidak akan pula dapat merasai' nikmat di-dalam soal kema- juan pelajaran ini.
itu Tuan Pengerusi, sa-lain daripada itu kebanyakan daripada pendudok2 di- dalam bandar ini menghantar anak2- Inggeris, nya ka-Sekolah Menengah 2201 14 OCTOBER 1964 2202 rumah2 di-luar bandar bukan-nya Sekolah Menengah Kebang- saan.

Jadi, saya berharap-lah kapada Menteri yang berkenaan apakala men- dirikan bangunan sekolah2 menengah ini, hendak-lah di-beri keutamaan kapada pendudok2, atau pun kapada ra'ayat di-luar bandar.
Bagitu juga, Tuan Pengerusi, apakala hendak men- dirikan bangunan2 rumah sekolah ini, saya harap di-beri keutamaan juga kapada sekolah2 di-luar bandar, kerana kita tahu kesulitan guru2 bagi menda- itu patkan tentu-lah telah ma'alum, atau pun telah di-fahami oleh Menteri yang berkenaan, sedangkan di-dalam bandar ini, kalau tidak di-dirikan rumah2 guru itu menyewa pun, dapat mereka rumah2 yang sedia ada, atau pun tegas- akan dapat pula nya, barangkali pun menyewa mendudoki, rumah2 murah sa-bagaimana yang Jadi, telah di-terangkan itu-lah harapan saya di-atas dua per- kara ini supaya mendapat perhatian dan pertimbangan daripada Menteri yang berkenaan.
sa-malam.

atau Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu): Tuan Pengerusi, berchakap saya hendak tentang Kepala 122, Kepala Kechil 10.

Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak meng- uchapkan sa-tinggi2 tahniah kapada Menteri Pelajaran tentang perkara ini.

Pada tahun ini Kerajaan Pusat telah belanja sa-banyak $4 juta lebeh untok mendirikan bangunan2 kapada guru2 di-luar bandar, tetapi, Tuan Pengerusi, saya berdukachita pada tahun 1965 Kementerian Pelajaran hendak belanja sahaja.
Saya harap $3 lebeh Menteri Pelajaran pada tahun akan datang bukan mahu belanja kurang perbelanjaan lebeh tahun ini, barangkali $5 juta untok mendirikan bangunan2 kapada guru2 di-luar bandar.

ini, tetapi tahun juta Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad (Muar Utara): Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak berchakap dalam Kementerian Pelaja ran, Kepala 122, Kepala Kechil 3— Ranchangan Sekolah Menengah.
Apa yang saya hendak sebutkan di-sini ia- itu bagi menyampaikan hasrat ibu- bapa dalam kawasan saya, khas-nya di-Tangkak supaya dapat Kementerian ini mengadakan Sekolah Menengah Anika Jurusan di-Tangkak, dan saya ada-lah mengalu2kan peruntokan yang di-minta oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Pelajaran ini.

Tuan Pengerusi, yang menyebabkan ini, saya membangkitkan masaalah ini penuntut2 ia-lah kerana sa-lama pelajaran lanjutan yang ada sekarang menumpang belajar di-Sekolah Mene ngah Inggeris Lidang, Tangkak.
Jadi, dengan keadaan menumpang itu, kita sedia ma'alum dan memandang pada tahun hadapan akan bertambah ramai lagi bakal2 penuntut yang akan belajar mendudoki Sekolah Menengah itu, maka dengan itu, saya nampak sayugia- lah dapat Kementerian ini dengan murah hati-nya mengadakan sekolah yang saya chadangkan itu.

Sekian-lah, terima kaseh.


ini Pelajaran Enche' Othman bin Abdullah (Perlis Utara): Tuan Pengerusi, saya berasa sukachita mengambil kesempatan di- sini mengalu2kan peruntokan yang di-bentangkan oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri berhubong dengan ranchangan sekolah menengah, juga rumah2 guru di-kampong2.
Tuan sukachita Pengerusi, saya bersama tentang sekolah2 menarek perhatian menengah yang ada di-negeri Perlis ia-itu negeri Perlis ada-lah sa-buah Negeri yang baharu sahaja mendapat sekolah2 menengah sa-bagaimana yang di-ranchangkan terutama sa-kali itu, saya suka menarek perhatian terhadap Sekolah Menengah Arau yang telah di- buka baharu2 ini yang mengandongi penuntut2 sa-banyak 601 orang, dan sa- buah sekolah lagi yang akan di-dirikan, yang akan di-siapkan pada tahun hada pan ia-itu di-Simpang Empat yang akan 150 memuat orang dan sa-bagaimana yang sedia ma'alum, sa-buah lagi sekolah mene ngah ia-itu di-Kangar yang menumpang di-Derma English School ia-itu muatan- nya yang mengandongi tidak lebeh dari pada 200 orang.
Apa yang saya suka menarek perhatian di-sini ia-lah ber hubong dengan ketiga2 sekolah mene ngah, ia-itu di-Arau, Kangar dan juga pada masa akan datang di-Simpang Empat sekolah sahaja pada masa ini yang mempunyai guru2, guru besar-nya yang boleh mengendalikan soal persekolahan di- situ.
penuntut2 ini hanya sa-banyak sa-buah 2203 14 OCTOBER 1964 2204 saya Sa-panjang sa-telah tinjauan berbual2 dengan Ketua Pelajaran di- sana bahawa sa-orang guru yang betul2 berkelayakan bagi menjadi Pengetua di-sekolah itu amat-lah di-kehendaki bagi Sekolah Menengah Arau di-sana, dan juga amat-lah di-harap bagi se kolah menengah yang akan di-buka pada tahun hadapan di-Simpang Empat itu, kerana murid2, atau pun penuntut2 yang bernasib itu ia-lah penuntut2 yang hanya belajar di-Sekolah Derma Kangar sahaja pada masa sekarang ini.
sekarang Tuan Pengerusi, satu perkara lagi yang saya suka menarek perhatian ber- kenaan dengan ranchangan Kerajaan untok mendirikan rumah2 guru yang saya rasa akan meliputi di-tiap2 buah sekolah, sama ada di-bandar mahu pun di-kampong2.
Ranchangan ini memang- lah di-alu2kan oleh sakalian guru2 yang ini, mengajar pada masa terutama sa-kali guru2 yang datang dari negeri lain ka-negeri Perlis yang ter paksa menyewa rumah yang hanya ada di-pekan2 sahaja, tetapi di-kampong tidak ada sa-buah pun rumah yang dapat di-sewakan.
Jadi dengan yang demikian menyebabkan guru2 itu susah atau pun sukar untok berulang ka- sekolah2 yang di-tempatkan kapada ada-nya mereka rumah guru di-kampong2 itu, maka tidak-lah dapat guru2 ini bergaul rapat dengan ibu-bapa dan juga kanak2 bagi menarek perhatian ibu-bapa dan kanak2 dengan jurusan pelajaran terhadap lebeh giat lagi.
Kerana sa-panjang yang saya tahu sa-bagai sa-orang bekas guru, suka bergaul maka guru tempatan dengan murid2 dan ibu-bapa-nya itu sentiasa mendapat sambutan di-kalang- an pendudok di-satu2 tempat itu, tetapi oleh sebab dengan keadaan yang ada sekarang ini kita berkehendakkan guru2 yang terlateh mendudoki merata2 buah beza- sekolah membeza, maka dengan sebab itu-lah ibu-bapa rumah guru dan pergaulan dengan guru lebeh rapat lagi.

itu di-kehendaki itu.


Akibat dengan tidak tidak ada Tuan Pengerusi, oleh sebab dalam peruntokan ini dalam masa perbaha- than dasar saya tidak dapat berchakap, dengan kebenaran, Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka menarek perhatian berhu- bong dengan benaan2 sekolah.
Tuan dan Pengerusi, saya chukup tertarek hati dan, melalui' Majlis ini, saya mengambil tahniah kesempatan menguchapkan dan terima kaseh kapada Ketua Pegawai Pelajaran, Perlis, yang telah menghantar telah programme menghantar tempat2 untok mendirikan sekolah2 yang baharu dan juga mem- baiki sekolah yang lama yang telah tetapi bagaimana lapok dan usang, telah berbinchang dengan pun saya Ketua Pegawai Pelajaran itu maseh ada lagi desakan2 daripada beberapa tempat yang perlu sangat di-masokkan sama dalam ranchangan yang telah pun di-hantar oleh Ketua Pegawai Pelajaran kapada Kementerian untok tam- sama di-timbangkan bahan.
Pertama sa-kali ia-itu sa-buah sekolah yang penting sa-kali di-dirikan ia-lah sekolah yang letak di-Tasoh ia-itu Batu 12 Jalan Kaki Bukit.

sa-bagai Mr Chairman: Order!

Enche' Othman bin Abdullah: Minta ma'af.

Saya minta kebenaran tadi.

Mr Chairman: Kalau sa-kejap sahaja boleh.

Perkara itu lari daripada tujuan.

Ini berkenaan sekolah menengah.
bagitu berchakap tahun yang Enche' Othman bin Abdullah: Saya kerana terpaksa menurut desakan orang ramai di-situ yang mengikut banchi kanak2 yang berumor 4-8 sekarang banyak tidak dapat bersekolah lebeh kurang 151 orang yang mengharapkan sangat benaan atau kelas2 sementara di-dirikan di-situ untok menghadapi kesulitan yang terma'alum kerana ibu- bapa-nya ada-lah terdiri daripada orang pembuka tanah yang miskin yang tidak mampu untok menghantar anak mereka belajar yang berbatu jauh.
lagi Satu tempat yang saya suka menarek perhatian ia-lah Batu Bertang- kup yang 80 murid2 yang sudah di- banchi tidak dapat bersekolah kerana jauh dengan sekolah, yang paling dekat sa-kali lebeh kurang 6 batu.

Kanak2 terpaksa meredah hutan rimba kerana di-kawasan itu ia-lah kawasan tanah baharu di-buka untok berchu- chok tanam.
ia-lah Sa-lain daripada itu, minta ma'af, Tuan Pengerusi, ia-lah satu kawasan 2205 14 OCTOBER 1964 2206 yang amat terpenchil sa-kali yang di- namakan Kubang Tiga yang terdiri daripada kaum Siam ada 40 kanak2 di-situ tidak dapat bersekolah dengan bahasa apa pun walau bahasa penghan- tar Melayu atau pun lain, kerana tempat itu betul2 terpenchil dan jauh sunggoh dengan sekolah2 yang lain.
Jadi, kalau ada sa-buah sekolah atau sa-buah kelas sementara di-dirikan di- situ, maka mengikut pengakuan ibu- bapa yang ada di-situ walau pun mereka itu terdiri daripada kaum Siam, mereka akan lanjutkan pelajaran de ngan menggunakan bahasa penghantar- nya bahasa Melayu.
sa-bagaimana yang Maka dengan sebab itu-lah saya suka menarek perhatian kapada Menteri yang berkenaan supaya dapat menim- bangkan tambahan sekolah2 atau kelas sementara saya sebutkan itu untok mengatasi kesulitan ibu-bapa yang mahukan anak-nya belajar dan meneruskan pelajaran-nya serta menikmati ranchangan pelajaran yang baik dan mulia ini.

Akhir-nya, saya mengambil kesempatan meng- terima kaseh di-atas per uchapkan untokan ini.

di-bentangkan yang Terima kaseh.


Dato' Abdullah bin Abdulrahman (Kuala Trengganu Selatan): Tuan Pengerusi, saya juga menyokong kuat di-atas peruntokan di-bawah Head 122—Pelajaran ini, khas-nya perun tokan di-bawah Sub-head 10.

Sa-bagai mana kita semua tahu, Tuan Pengerusi, kalau pegawai2 Kerajaan tidak dapat rumah yang susah kita sempurna hendalq berharap kapada mereka dapat tugas2- menjalankan nya kapada Kerajaan dan ra'ayat jelata dengan sempurna.
Saya hanya ber harap di-masa hadapan ia-itu pada tahun 1965 peruntokan untok di-buat bangunan2 rumah guru di-sekolah2 di- luar kawasan bandar akan di-besarkan lagi angka-nya daripada hanya $3 juta lebeh sadikit sahaja.

tanggongan dan Tuan Pengerusi, kita tahu banyak sekolah2 yang ada di-luar kawasan bandar itu tidak ada jalan ray a menuju kapada-nya ia-itu ka-sekolah2 itu.
Saya ambil sa-bagai chontoh di-negeri Treng ganu ada banyak sekolah2 terpaksa pergi ka-sana dengan menggunakan motor-boats atau pun perahu ia-itu ikut jalan sungai dan kadang2 hendak sam- itu memakan masa pai ka-sekolah sampai sa-tengah atau satu hari ada kala-nya di-dapati guru2 tinggal jauh daripada sekolah yang mereka mengajar dan mereka terpaksa mem- bayar sewa rumah2 yang kadang2 boleh di-katakan tidak berpatutan dengan gaji yang mereka dapat.
ini Dari sebab itu, saya memohon ka pada Yang Berhormat Menteri Pelaja ran supaya memberi perhatian yang berat dan mengutamakan negeri Treng ganu di-dalam pembahagian peruntokan mendirikan rumah2 untok guru2 sekolah di-luar kawasan bandar itu.
Satu perkara lagi, Tuan Pengerusi, saya juga berharap rumah2 guru ini akan di-lengkapkan dengan alat2 (fur niture) rumah kerana kita tahu di- satengah2 tempat boleh di-katakan banyak tempat di-luar bandar, kemu- dahan saperti letrik dan paip ayer tidak dapat di-untokkan.

Dan sa-bagai ganti- nya sangat-lah elok sa-kira-nya walau pun rumah guru itu kechil di-beri per untokan Sa-kian-lah sahaja, Tuan Pengerusi.

Terima kaseh.

rumah.


alat2 Wan Abdul Kadir bin Ismail (Kuala Trengganu Utara): Tuan Pengerusi, berkenaan dengan soal pelajaran dan tentang peruntokan bagi ranchangan Sekolah Anika Jurusan yang akan di- lancharkan pada tahun hadapan, maka saya boleh mengatakan system Sekolah Anika Jurusan ini yang di-lancharkan oleh Kerajaan kita ia-lah merupakan satu revolusi pelajaran negara kita ini.
hendak menyampaikan Saya yang besar tahniah dan kepujian kapada Kerajaan dan kapada Kemen- terian Pelajaran yang telah dapat melahirkan system baharu pengajaran bagi negeri kita ini.

Dengan system ini akan dapat anak2 kita menikmati pelajaran perchuma sa-lama 9 tahun sampai Sekolah Menengah Rendah.

suka Dalam perkara Sekolah Anika Jurusan ini saya suka-lah menarek perhatian kapada satu segi yang penting ia-itu-lah segi persediaan dan penyiapan bagi guru2 yang akan menjalankan tugas di-sekolah2 itu.
Sunggoh pun system Sekolah Anika Jurusan ini di- jangka masa yang jalankan dalam 2207 14 OCTOBER 1964 2208 ini dari tetapi sa-masa jangka dan sangat pendek, saya harap bahawa guru2 yang akan menjalankan tugas-nya di-dalam Sekolah Anika Jurusan hendak-lah mendapat latehan yang chukup bagi menjalankan kerja-nya di-dalam sekolah2 itu.
Dan latehan2 bagi saya berharap bahawa guru2 yang berkelayakan untok meng- ajar di-Sekolah2 Anika Jurusan ini akan di-besar dan di-perluaskan terus- ka-samasa, menerus rangka kerana menurut pelajaran bagi Sekolah Anika Jurusan ini bukan sahaja sekolah itu akan mengajar jurusan ekonomi tetapi juga teknik dan professional dan jurusan lapangan memang-lah yang sa-buah negara yang pesat menjalankan pem- bangunan-nya.
Menurut lapangan2 ini sangat penting bagi daripada perishtiharan Kementerian Pelajaran, Sekolah Anika Jurusan ini akan memakai dua bahasa pengantar bagi sementara waktu ini ia-itu-lah bahasa Melayu dan bahasa pengantar Inggeris.

Suatu perkara yang kita tidak boleh lupa dalam melateh dan mengator tempat2 pengajian dan pengajaran di-negeri ini ia-lah matlamat untok menjadikan bahasa Melayu sa- bagai bahasa kebangsaan dan rasmi yang tunggal dalam tahun 1967.
Dalam kita melancharkan Sekolah Anika Jurusan ini mesti-lah sentiasa ada dalam ingatan.

Kemen terian Pelajaran dan guru2 yang di- sediakan bagi Sekolah Anika Jurusan ini bukan sahaja sanggup hanya meng ajar dalam aliran bahasa pengantar-nya bahasa Inggeris sahaja, mereka hendak- lah di-peralat, di-persiapkan dan di- sediakan untok sanggup mengajar bila sampai tahun 1967 nanti dalam bahasa Melayu.
Dan saya belum lagi nampak apa-kah persiapan2 yang sunggoh2 luas—serious dalam persiapan untok mengadakan pengajaran satu bahasa sahaja sampai tahun 1967.

Ini satu perkara yang besar dan patut-lah langkah ini di-ambil dari sekarang juga, tidak boleh di-lengah2kan, kalau di- perlengahkan lagi maka tentu-lah ter- lambat atau lewat.

ini matlamat Satu lagi dalam soal Sekolah Anika Jurusan ini.
Kalau saya pandang-lah kapada kawasan yang banyak orang2 Melayu, kawasan saya umpama-nya, satu kawasan di-luar bandar, saya harap Sekolah Anika Jurusan ini tidak akan di-tempatkan di-tempat2 yang jauh bagi murid2 di-luar bandar.

Ini ada-lah menjadi kesukaran besar kalau sampai 10, 15 batu daripada tempat sekolah itu terdiri.
Saya harap Kemen terian Pelajaran memberi perhatian yang berat dalam perkara ini supaya di-tempatkan Sekolah2 Anika Jurusan di-tempat yang agak memberi ke- mudahan kapada anak2 sekolah di- luar bandar untok menghadziri-nya.

Sekolah2 Anika Jurusan ini perlu di- adakan kelengkapan persekolahan yang lengkap dan jangan-lah kira-nya ada berlaku sa-barang langkah yang boleh di-pandang dan di-fahamkan sa-bagai tirikan Sekolah2 Anika menganak Jurusan di-luar bandar yang meng- gunakan bahasa pengantar Melayu.
luar luar Tuan Pengerusi, yang kedua saya hendak sentoh ia-lah rumah2 guru di- Kepala 110.

Saya berharap-lah sangat2, dan saya tahu, bahawa dalam perun- tokan ini rumah2 guru ini hendak di- buat bagi kawasan2 bandar.

Memang sangat mustahak-lah rumah2 guru ini di-banyakkan sa-berapa boleh di-kawasan2 bandar.

Dalam kawasan saya sa-bahagian besar guru2 tidak mendapat rumah guru.
Dan ada guru dalam kawasan saya tinggal 10, 15 batu dan ada 20 batu daripada tempat mereka mengajar, dan ada di- antara-nya pergi dengan basikal dan ada yang pergi dengan bas, juga ada yang pergi dengan honda, tetapi kerana tempat-nya jauh, persediaan guru itu, bila mengajar, tidak sa-rupa guru2 yang memang tinggal dalam kawasan sekolah itu.
Dalam keadaan masharakat yang sedang berkembang sekarang, guru ada-lah di-pandang pemandu masha rakat sangat-lah mustahak guru2 di-sekolah itu terutama luar bandar, dalam dalam kawasan masharakat kampong, guru2 itu di-beri kemudahan tinggal dalam kampong itu sendiri.
kampong, maka Ten tang soal rumah guru ini juga, Tuan Pengerusi, ada kadang2 berlaku sa-tengah2 cherita luchu ia-itu di-dalam kawasan saya, saya suka cheritakan, di-satu tempat di-mana terdapat sekolah yang dahulu-nya di-bangunkan oleh orang2 kampong dan sekarang di-ambil 2209 14 OCTOBER 1964 2210 oleh Kementerian Pelajaran.

Sekarang ini sekolah itu hendak di-gantikan dengan sekolah baharu, tetapi sekolah- nya belum ada, rumah guru-nya -sudah siap.
Hanya di-pakai-lah sekolah yang burok atau rumah bangsal yang lama yang di-buat oleh orang kampong itu.

Saya tidak tahu di-mana slack-nya atau salah-nya perkara itu.

Sa-patut-nya bangunan sekolah lama di-utamakan lebeh dahulu, baharu siapkan rumah guru.

Memang satu langkah yang baik juga rumah itu di-adakan.

Hanya saya harap supaya sekolah ini juga akan di- siapkan dalam masa tidak lama lagi.

Islam sadikit Tentang Kolej Islam pun saya suka sahaja, hendak menyentoh telah banyak di-perkatakan kerana itu.
Di-antara tentang Kolej peruntokan yang di-minta ia-lah sa- banyak $300,000 ia-itu dari peruntokan besar yang di-berikan sa-banyak $2 1/2 million untok membuat bangunan ba haru bagi Kolej Islam di-Petaling Jaya.

Satu segi yang kechil yang saya hendak bawa perhatian soal bentok bangunan Kolej Islam itu.

Biar-lah ia menjadi satu bangunan yang menjadi kemegahan kapada kita.
Kalau kita datang ka-Kuala Lumpur ini biasa-nya kita mahu melihat Stadium Merdeka, mahu melihat Muzium Negara, maka manakala sa-telah siap, Kolej Islam itu akan menjadi suatu lambang negara kita.

ia-lah bentok ini biar-lah Oleh itu saya minta bahawa bentok sa-boleh2-nya bangunan bangunan ada merupakan tidak mahu Malaysia, kerana kita akitek yang membuat bangunan itu mengikut sa-barang bentok yang tidak sesuai dengan unsor dan dengan warna dan chorak negara kita.
Maka biar-lah pada bangunan itu satu bentok yang ada chorak Malaysia sa-bagai kita lihat pada bangunan Parlimen kita ini, terima kaseh.

Enche' Chin Foon (UIu Kinta): Mr Chairman, Sir, I rise to take part in the debate on the Ministry of Educa tion.

I wish to touch on sub-head 3, Secondary Schools Programme.
On behalf of the people of my constituency, I wish to compliment our Central Government for the big allocation for Secondary Schools Programme, but I to could secondary regret to state that in my constituency we do not have National-type Chinese secondary schools.
That, Sir, is why I am bringing this to the attention of the Ministry concerned, especially in view of the fact that Chemor, which is my adjoining area, the serve in those primary schools, such as Tanjong Rambutan, Kanthan Bahru, Tanah Itam, Kuala Kluang and Chemor.

Five of the schools have agreed—and their parents have signed on their behalf—that by next year these primary school pupils will be automatically promoted schools.
Especially in view of the fact that in my area, where all the people are labourers and doing small farmers, business, I wish the to appeal Minister to consider the setting up of a National-type secondary school in Chemor.

An appeal has been made to the Chief Education Officer of Perak, but he was not in favour.

If a secondary school could be permitted in Chemor, then the problem of all the poor pupils will be solved.
Even, if at the present moment it is rather difficult to construct a new secondary school for Chemor, at least I would appeal to the Minister concerned to permit us the loan of a primary school in Chemor to continue the secondary afternoon—and the trustees of the school have agreed to loan that school for holding a secondary school session in Chemor.

That, Sir, will solve the pro blem of the pupils in my constituency.
session this the afternoon in respect school in to in Further, I got the information from the Chief Education Officer of Perak that it is intended to build a secondary school in the Tasek Industrial Area of Ipoh Municipality.
Recently, I think, a lot of petitioners consisting of 432 have petitioned against the Tasek the Tasek Industrial Area because Cement Factory has been constructed there, as nowhere in the world is there a cement factory situated in a munici pality area or town area—it should be constructed in the outskirt of the town.

By the fault of the Municipality of Ipoh, the Tasek Cement Factory has been permitted to be constructed in the Tasek Industrial Area.
And most of the investors from Taiwan and overseas, 2211 14 OCTOBER 1964 2212 intention to proceed with there.

I dare say that the moment they come and have seen the Tasek Cement Factory situated in the Tasek Industrial Area, they have their no factories the Tasek Industrial Area is a dying project for that municipality area.

Therefore, I urge the Minister to think properly.


If he is going to implement the compre hensive secondary school system there, I think in time it will ruin the lives of people in the Tasek Industrial Area.

Thank you, Sir.

di-dalam bahagian Dato' Dr Haji Megat Khas (Kuala Kangsar): Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka mengambil hal Kementerian Pelajaran Kepala 172 khas-nya kapada Pechahan-kepala 20 ia-itu Kolej Islam.
Sa-bagai salah sa- orang yang dudok lama di-dalam pentadbiran University kita di-Kuala Lumpur ini dan di-Singapura dahulu, saya berasa bangga dan besar hati ia-itu pada tahun ini Kolej Islam yang ada di-Kelang itu ia-lah akan di-perbesar- kan dan di-ganti dengan rumah atau Jaya, bangunan baharu di-Petaling yang berma'ana ia-itu ada-lah Kolej Islam itu menjadi satu bahagian dari pada University Malaya.
saya tahun yang Di-dalam fahaman saya kalau sa- kira-nya silap, ada-lah tidak Muslim College itu juga telah menjadi daripada University satu bahagian semenjak beberapa lalu.
lihat dan Pada hari sa-malam saya telah saya mendengar beberapa bilangan daripada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat telah mengatakan harapan dan hasrat mereka suka hendak melihatkan, pada masa akan datang sijil2 atau degree2 yang di- berikan oleh Kolej Islam itu akan sama tinggi-nya kalau pun ta' lebeh daripada degree2 yang di-beri di-Kolej Islam yang di-Kaherah, sa-umpama mithal-nya.
Pada anggapan saya ada- lah permintaan Menteri Yang Berhor mat itu untok menjadi Capital Grant dan mendirikan satu bangunan, ada-lah mengharuskan satu bahagian sahaja yang boleh di- buat.

sa-banyak $300,000 lain Pendek kata, kalau sa-kira-nya kita hendak mendirikan satu faculty atau satu diciplin dalam University itu kita ada-lah berkehendakkan wang yang itu boleh banyak dan masa yang panjang.

Tetapi bagi permulaan sa-banyak $300,000 itu hendak-lah dan elok-lah di-tambah.
Saya suka melihat kalau sa-kira-nya di-lebehkan peruntokan sa-benar2 supaya dapat-lah dengan ranchangan hendak mendirikan ba ngunan bagi Kolej Islam itu sa-benar2 berjalan dengan lichin, dan dengan ada- nya wang bekalan yang telah sedia, di- peruntokkan itu, saya suka-lah hendak menyokong dan meminta perhatian ia-itu dari Menteri Yang Berhormat pada masa yang akan datang orang2 Islam yang di-dalam Tanah Melayu yang pada hari ini sedang berlateh di- Kolej pengetahuan ugama Islam di-perkembangkan dan dengan sebab ia-itu ugama Islam ada- lah ugama rasmi di-dalam negara ini, akan di-berikan sa-penoh2 kelengkapan dan dengan beberapa kemudahan2.
Jadi dengan itu saya suka-lah ia-itu perkara Kolej Islam ini akan di-beri pertim- bangan yang lebeh berat daripada masa ka-samasa supaya degree atau pun sijil yang akan di-keluarkan oleh Kolej Islam itu sa-benar2 akan di-iktiraf dan di-pandang luar.

Terima kaseh.
Terima kaseh.

tinggi oleh dunia Islam, di-mana ia-itu uchapan Enche' Abdul Rauf bin Abdul Rahman (Krian Laut): Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka juga memberi sokongan yang kuat kapada Kementerian Pelajaran yang telah mengemukakan peruntokan wang tambahan bagi tahun 1964 ini ia-itu di-bawah Kepala 122.
Tuan Pengerusi, saya menguchapkan terima kaseh bagi pehak pendudok2 di-kawa- san saya, atau pun khas-nya pendudok2 terima kaseh Krian, kapada Kementerian Pelajaran yang telah mendirikan dan sedang inula membuat kerja, mengadakan sa-buah sekolah menengah di-tempat saya ia-itu di-Parit Buntar.
Di-sini, saya berasa susah hati sadikit, dan saya harap men- dapat penjelasan daripada Kementerian tidak ada di-tulis ini, sunggoh pun dalam suka saya hendak mendapat tahu, ada-kah seko lah menengah yang sedang di-mulakan pelajaran-nya sekarang di-Parit Buntar itu hendak di-adakan asrama, atau pun hostel tempat murid2, atau pun penun- tut2 yang jauh yang hendak belajar ranchangan ini, 2213 14 OCTOBER 1964 2214 di-sekolah itu, kerana kita sedia ma'a- lum, sekolah ini apakala siap, biasa-nya tentu-lah murid2, atau pun sudah penuntut2 yang bukan sahaja dalam Krian, bahkan barangkali harus dari- pada Kulim, Sungai Patani, Pulau Pinang, Taiping dan sa-terus-nya di- tempat2 lain, akan datang menuntut di-situ.
Jikalau tidak ada asrama di- sana, sudah tentu akan menjadi satu kesusahan pula kapada penuntut2 itu dan menjadi kesusahan kapada ibu bapa yang miskin mengadakan belanja bagi anak masing2, saperti rumah, makan dan lain2.

Sa-bagaimana yang saya tahu seka- rang ini, ada sa-buah sekolah—Sekolah Methodist, ia-itu Sekolah Jenis Kebang- saan, ada hostel di-buat, ada asrama di-buat untok sekolah itu, tempat pe nuntut2 yang boleh menuntut, yang boleh mengaji di-situ—yang jauh boleh dudok di-asrama itu.
Jadi, kalau sa- kira-nya Sekolah Methodist, satu seko lah yang saya katakan kechil, boleh mengadakan asrama, saya tidak fikir dan tidak patut sangat satu sekolah menengah yang kita dirikan di-tempat itu tidak ada mempunyai asrama.
Jadi, dengan sebab itu, saya berharap-lah ini, jikalau sa- kapada Kementerian lagi di-masokkan kira-nya Anggaran Perbelanjaan atas perkara yang tersebut saperti yang saya sebut- kan tadi, saya minta-lah di-untokkan perbelanjaan apakala kita membentang- kan Anggaran Perbelanjaan tahun 1965 yang akan datang.

Mudah2an dapat-lah satu asrama, bukan sahaja, saya kata di-Sekolah Menengah yang ada di- juga di-sekolah2 kawasan menengah yang lain yang ada di-dirikan oleh Kerajaan dalam negara kita ini.
Sekian-lah, terima kaseh.
itu, tetapi ta' ada Enche' D. R. Seenivasagam (Ipoh): Mr Chairman, Sir, speaking on these estimates, particularly with the pro gramme of secondary schools, I am glad to note—and in fact I knew this before—that a new secondary school is to be put up in Ipoh at a place known as the Coronation Park, and a part of that land was given over to the Educa tion Authorities by the Municipality of Ipoh on a request being made and we afforded them every assistance to start building this secondary school.
just now Mr Chairman, Sir, the Member for Ulu Kinta referred to the Tasek Cement Factory and suggested to this House that that factory may be a source of danger, or cause discomfort to the children, who may be going to this secondary school, as it would be a menace to the health of the children.

Mr Chairman, Sir, I think it is my duty to keep this House properly informed, and to clarify the misstatement made by that Member.
The Honourable Member, of course, may be interested in the Tasek Cement Factory by reason of the fact that with the establishment of the Tasek Cement Factory, a large portion of stones, or quarry where stones are got from, have been taken away by this Factory, and I think that Honourable Member is somewhat in terested in stone breaking and he may, therefore, be a bit sorry that the Tasek Cement Factory has been well estab lished.

in a venture the world.


the directors Mr Chairman, Sir, it is known to everybody, the Ministry at Federal level, the State Government and the Municipality of Ipoh, that the Tasek Cement Factory is one of the best in the world—and it is with the most stringent conditions that it was allowed to be put up.
It is the first smokeless cement factory in Malaysia and com in Germany pares with the best and other parts of It is, in which fact, are people amongst like the Honourable Member for Johor Tenggara, Dato' Syed Ja'afar, and other people who are not members of the Peoples' Progressive Party but members of the Alliance Party.

But that makes no difference whatsoever.

It was opened officially by an Honourable Minister of this country—the Minister of Agri culture and Co-operatives.
Now, that Honourable Minister was very kind enough to come down, opened it and declared it as one of the best in the world—on information given to him— and he wished it every success.
I think interest of any it backbencher to say that that factory is going to be a menace to the children of Ipoh, or any part of this country, when his own Minister was good enough to open it and declared it as one of the is not the in 2215 14 OCTOBER 1964 2216 that a factory, which best in the world, after investigation, I am sure, because that matter came up investigation.
to Ministerial level for I repeat that it is not in the interest of any backbencher to stand up here and mislead this House and try to give a wrong impression to the people of this is a country danger, has been allowed to exist in Ipoh.
I must deplore it, and I am sure all Members of this House will deplore that kind of speech made in this House without substance, without any justifi cation whatsoever, and I would assure this House that we in the Municipality have taken precautions to have written in the contract with Tasek Cement Factory absolute power to stop opera tion within twenty-four hours, if there is any danger on any aspect of the running of that factory.
Tuan Haji Mokhtar bin Haji Ismail (Perlis Selatan): Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka hendak berchakap dalam Kepala 122—Education (Malaya) dan bagitu juga dalam Pechahan-kepala 20— Capital Grant, Muslim College, Klang.

Di-dalam uchapan Yang Berhormat Menteri Pelajaran telah menerangkan bahawa tujuan Kolej Islam itu ada-lah kerana memberi pelajaran kapada bakal2 guru dan bagitu juga kapada lain2 lagi yang akan menjadi guru di-dalam sekolah2 menengah dan seko- lah2 rendah dalam negeri ini.
Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka hendak menjelaskan di-sini bahawa tujuan dan asas yang mula dan chita2 hendak mengadakan Kolej Islam di-dalam Tanah Melayu ia-itu dalam tahun 1947, kalau ta' salah saya, ia-itu dalam satu conference yang telah di-adakan oleh Muslim Missionary Society bagi South East Asia, atau Tenggara Asia berlang- song di-Singapura.

Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: Tuan Pengerusi, ini ia-lah wang untok membena sa-buah bangunan Kolej Islam, itu sahaja.
Apa-kah yang hendak di-jalankan dalam College itu, itu di-luar daripada perbahathan kita.

Tuan Haji Mokhtar bin Haji Ismail: Terima kaseh.

Jadi, ini satu penjelasan kapada Menteri yang berkenaan ia-itu berkenaan dengan Capital Grant sa- itu.
Jadi, $300,000 banyak saya memandang bahawa wang sa-banyak tidak menchu- $300,000 itu ada-lah kupi, memandangkan kapada perkem- bangan negara kita pada hari ini yang mana negara kita ini ada-lah ber- chorak anti-komunis Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: Tadi, saya telah menerangkan yang bangunan ini akan memakan belanja sa-banyak $2^ juta—wang yang di-kehendaki bagi tahun 1964 ini hanya- lah $300,000 dan baki-nya akan di- minta tahun yang akan datang.
lagi di-Majlis ini pada Tuan Haji Mokhtar bin Haji Ismail: Saya uchapkan terima kaseh kapada Menteri yang berkenaan.

Jadi, saya berharap Kolej Islam pada masa akan sa-benar2-nya menjadi datang akan bukan sahaja untok Malaysia, bahkan akan menjadi satu pusat pengajian Islam bagi Tenggara Asia yang akan menentang perkembangan komunis.
Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: Tuan Pengerusi, lebeh dahulu saya hendak menguchapkan terima kaseh kapada uchapan tahniah yang telah di-beri oleh beberapa orang ahli Dewan ini berkenaan dengan perun- ini.

Jadi, saya tokan yang di-minta tidak-lah hendak menjawab satu per- satu-nya hanya saya hendak menjawab pada 'am-nya.

Banyak ahli2 terutama sa-kali Yang Berhormat dari Batu dan dari Muar Utara dan lain2 lagi telah membangkitkan dengan sekolah2 menengah di-tempat dan di- kawasan masing2.
berkenaan Saya suka hendak menjelaskan ka pada Dewan ini bahawa mengikut ran changan yang di-buat oleh Kerajaan dalam mengadakan sekolah2 menengah rendah yang di-namakan Sekolah Anika Jurusan ini, maka tidak ada satu ka- wasan pun yang akan terbiar dan kita akan mengadakan sekolah2 menengah ini untok memberi kemudahan kapada semua murid2 dalam Darjah Enam pergi ka-sekolah2 menengah rendah ini.
Dan kalau di-dapati bahawa sa-sabuah sekolah menengah rendah ini terpaksa mempelupori kawasan yang besar di- mana murid2 tidak dapat berulang-alek ka-sekolah, maka Kerajaan ada mem- punyai ranchangan hendak mengadakan 2217 14 OCTOBER 1964 2218 asrama2 tempat tinggal bagi murid yang jauh daripada sekolah itu, tetapi ran- changan ini akan memakan masa 3 atau 4 tahun mula'i daripada tahun 1964 ini dan akan di-teruskan kapada tahun 1965, 1966 dan 1967.
Pada ketika itu maka semua kawasan2 yang dalam negeri ini akan di-adakan kemudahan bagi sekolah2 menengah.

Yang Berhormat2 dari Besut, Kuala Trengganu Selatan dan Batu telah me- minta supaya bangunan rumah guru di-kawasan luar bandar di-banyakkan lagi.

Yang Berhormat dari Batu menga- takan bahawa peruntokan yang dia lihat pada tahun 1965 ada-lah kurang daripada tahun 1964.

Saya suka hendak menjelaskan, Tuan Pengerusi, bahawa peruntokan bagi rumah2 guru di-kawa san luar bandar ini ada dua bahagian.
Yang pertama normal programme ia- itu ranchangan biasa dan yang kedua ranchangan di-bawah comprehensive schools, Jadi, dalam ranchangan biasa itu ada di-dalam Perbelanjaan Pemba- ngunan yang telah di-majukan pada akhir tahun yang lepas bagi tahun 1964 itu dan saya boleh-lah memberi akuan dan jaminan bahawa peruntokan bagi tahun 1965 atas kedua Ranchangan Pembangunan Rumah Guru di-kawasan luar bandar ini akan di-besarkan lagi.
Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Besut ada menchadangkan supaya pembangunan2 rumah guru ini di-utamakan di-kawasan luar bandar, dan jika dia membacha apa yang di-tulis di-dalam Anggaran Perbelanjaan dia dapat tahu bahawa peruntokan ini ia-lah bagi kawasan luar bandar sahaja, jadi tidak payah-lah di- utamakan; memang untok kawasan luar bandar sahaja.

Beberapa Ahli2 Yang Berhormat telah menyentoh berkenaan dengan Kolej Islam.
Sa-bagaimana yang saya terangkan tadi bahawa peruntokan membena Kolej Islam ia-lah $2 1/2 juta dan oleh kerana bukan semua-nya wang itu akan dapat di-belanjakan pada tahun ini kerana hanya tinggal 3 bulan sahaja lagi, maka sebab itu-lah kita telah menguntokkan hanya $300,000 yang baki-nya $2,200,000 itu akan di- minta daripada Dewan ini pada tahun 1965.
Berkenaan dengan guru2 dan alat2 kelengkapan bagi Sekolah Menengah Anika Jurusan yang kita ranchangkan ini, saya suka hendak menjelaskan kapada Dewan ini bahawa bagi tahun 1964 sa-bagaimana yang saya terangkan peruntokan semua-nya ada $27.4 juta dan lebeh kurang $2 juta daripada itu akan di-gunakan untok alat2 kelengka pan bagi sekolah2 ini.

Jadi, saya per- chaya-lah bahawa semua sekolah2 ini apabila siap kelak akan di-lengkapi dengan segala kelengkapan bagi sa-buah sekolah yang sempurna.
Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Krian Darat ada bertanya sama ada hendak sa-buah asrama di-Sekolah di-bena Menengah Parit Buntar.

Saya tidak tahu sama ada sekolah menengah ini di- bawah Ranchangan Comprehensive Schools ini atau di-bawah ranchangan yang lain, tetapi saya akan siasat per- kara itu dan beritahu Ahli Yang Ber hormat itu-lah itu.

Tuan Pengerusi, sahaja.


Question put, and agreed to: The sum of $7,000,000 for Head 122 and the sum of $60,184 for Head 161 agreed to stand part of Deve lopment (Supplementary) (No.

2) Esti mates, 1964.

Head 123— The Minister of Health (Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin): Mr Chair man, Sir, I beg to move that a sum of $250,000 under Head 123, Sub-head 20, be approved.

The original estimated cost of the project in 1961 was $5,150,000.

A total sum of $4,327,643 had been expended up to the end of 1963.
The provision of $822,357 inadequate, because as work progressed several essential unforeseen items had to be included as part of the project.

There fore, a further sum of $250,000 is required.

found is Sir, I beg to move.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Chairman, Sir, may I ask the Honourable Minister as to when will this Pharmaceutical Laboratory be completed?
Does he in the envisage any more difficulties 2219 14 OCTOBER 1964 2220 way of construction so that he may have to come to this House for a further supplementary vote?

Mr Chairman, Sir, in reply to my speech the other day, the Honourable Minister said that these estimates were drawn up in 1961 and that, conse quently, due to rising costs, there is this request for $250,000.
Mr. Chairman, Sir, with due respect to the Minister, I would have thought that in a project like this the Ministry—and all Minis tries, for that matter—would look far ahead for such rising costs and not make an excuse of rising costs.

All the Ministries should be aware that costs are rising slowly by slowly.

At any rate, the Minister should have gone to the Minister of Works for advice so that we would not have to1 be burdened with this $250,000.
Tuan Haji Rahmat bin Haji Daud (Johor Bahru Barat): Yang Berhormat Tuan Pengerusi, saya sokong di-atas Kementerian Kesihatan ini.

Hanya satu sahaja yang saya minta ia-itu sa-baha- gian daripada wang yang di-berikan kapada Government Pharmaceutical Laboratory and Central Store, ia-itu untok membelanjakan kerana peru- batan, hendak-nya di-beri sadikit ka pada post pasokan kawalan.

Oleh kerana di-tempat itu sangat2 berkehen- dakkan First Aid Kit Box.
Baharu2 ini Pegawai Daerah di-kawasan saya di- sana, ada memohon barang2 sa-umpama itu tetapi malang-nya beliau dapat jawapan daripada Ketua Perubatan negeri Johor, mengatakan tidak ada wang untok memberi First Aid Kit Box kapada post pasokan kawalan, sa-bagai- mana yang di-kehendaki tadi, kerana ini sangat mustahak di-masa kechema- san.

Kita takut kalau ada kemalangan di-tempat yang jauh di-kampong2 dan tidak ada ubat untok mengubat dengan serta-merta.
Dengan ini patut-lah di- untokkan bagi tiap2 post pasokan kawa lan, ia-itu First Aid Kit Box.

Demikian- lah, harap supaya dapat di-timbangkan, terima kaseh.

Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: Tuan Pengerusi, permintaan Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Johor Bahru Barat tadi, saya akan timbangkan.

With reference to the observation made by the Honourable Member for Batu just now, I am informed now that the Pharmaceutical Laboratory has been completed in May, 1964, and no further sum will be required.
With regard to the projection of minor Heads, I will try my best to project my minor Heads next time.

Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $250,000 for Head 123 agreed to stand part of the Develop ment (Supplementary) (No.

2) Esti mates, 1964.


Head 125— The Minister for Welfare Services (Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan bin Haji Sakhawat Ali Khan): Tuan Pengerusi, saya mohon menchadangkan peruntokan sa-banyak $10 yang di- tunjokkan di-bawah Kepala 125—Keba- jikan Masharakat (Malaya), Kepala- kechil 18—Pusat Pemulehan Akhlak Perempuan2 dan Gadis2 Kuala Lumpur, di-luluskan.
Pada mula-nya peruntokan $12,000 telah di-luluskan untok kerja2 dan peralatan2 leterik untok pusat ter- sebut tetapi wang ini di-dapati terku- rang sa-banyak $8,000 lagi, sa-telah kerja2 ini di-berikan kapada pemborong dengan chara tender.

Bagaimana pun wang ini telah di-perolehi dengan jalan pindah peruntokan daripada wang yang di-jimatkan telah di-bawah dapat 13—Rumah2 Pegawai Kepala-kechil Yayasan dan Perubahan Bangunan2.
Oleh isharat itu chuma peruntokan sahaja ia-itu Token Vote di-perlukan sa-banyak Pengerusi, $10.

Tuan dengan hormat-nya saya pohonkan.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Chairman, Sir, I seek a few points of clarification for from the Honourable Minister Welfare Services.

I notice from the provision in the Estimates that it is wanted for Women and Girls' Protec tion Homes.

Now, who will be the inmates of these homes?

What is the purpose of these homes?


If the purpose of these homes is made known, how can these women and children get to such homes?

Mr Chairman, Sir, I ask these because I am totally ignorant of the purpose with regard to the points that I have raised.
2221 14 OCTOBER 1964 2222 Enche' Othman bin Abdullah: Tuan Pengerusi, oleh sebab saya tidak sem- pat berchakap di-dalam perbahathan dasar 'am, maka ini-lah saya dengan penoh harapan merayu kapada Tuan Pengerusi untok berchakap sadikit dalam Kepala 125 ini ia-itu di-bawah hal2 yang penting yang harus di-ma'a- lumkan kapada Menteri yang berke naan.
Tuan Pengerusi, saya berchakap di-dalam hal Kementerian Kebajikan ini ia-lah berhubong dengan perkara2 terutama sa-kali berkenaan dengan dasar pembahagian kapada penanam2 padi di-Perlis.

Itu-lah sebab-nya saya minta kebenaran Tuan Pengerusi.

Mr Chairman: Saya fikir itu tidak ada kena-mengena.

Perbahathan kita ini berkenaan dengan pengawalan perem- puan2 di-Kuala Lumpur.

Enche9 Othman bin Abdullah: Sebab ada berkaitan dengan Menteri yang berkenaan ini akan hadzir di-Perlis untok mengkaji soal2 ini.
Mr Chairman: Itu tidak ada kena- mengena, tidak payah-lah di-sebutkan lagi.
Enche9 Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Pengerusi, di-bawah Kepala 125 ini saya suka hendak mendapat pen- jelasan daripada Yang Berhormat Menteri yang berkenaan ia-itu ada-kah rumah yang akan di-buat ini akan meliputi apa yang dahulu-nya di- sebutkan sa-bagai "Taijin" kalau tidak salah saya ada tersebut dalam itu, dan ada-kah di-dalam Rang Undang2 ini akan di-kemukakan sa-bagai yang telah di-beri keterangan oleh Menteri ia-itu Rang Undang2 itu sa-malam, rumah2 ini akan di-masokkan juga yang di^namakan "Rumah Taijin".
Dan juga ada-kah benda ini tersentoh sadikit sa-banyak kapada Women and Girls' Protection—berkenaan dengan Undang2 apa yang di-katakan Undang2 berkenaan "Brothel" ada hubongan- nya selalu di-bangkitkan di-atas orang2 yang susah ini berkenaan dengan pela- choran.
Saya fikir kira-nya Women and Girls' Protection Home ini di-buat sa-chara dahulu dan peratoran Taijin itu maseh ada lagi, maka tidak ada-lah di-dalam Undang2 perubahan ini hanya membanyakkan melainkan rumah2 yang sa-macham itu di-tempat2 yang lebeh banyak tetapi Undang2 itu tidak akan merupakan Undang2 yang baharu.

Itu-lah sahaja, Tuan Pengerusi, saya minta Menteri itu memberi pen- jelasan.
Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan bin Haji Sakhawat Ali Khan: Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak menjawab satu dua perkara yang telah di-bangkitkan oleh pehak di-sana.

Saya suka menyata- kan ia-itu rumah ini ada-lah untok menempatkan perempuan2 yang rosak akhlak-nya dan rumah yang kita akan bena di-Kuala Lumpur itu akan meng- isi lebeh kurang 40 orang, dan mereka ini akan di-beri latehan supaya dapat memulehkan akhlak mereka dan mem- buat kerja2 untok menchari sara hidup dengan chara halal.
Berkenaan dengan Undang2 bagi mengawal orang2 yang sa^umpama itu sekarang ini satu Undang2 sedang di- gubal ia-itu satu Undang2 untok men- chegah keadaan dan mengawal pelachoran dan sa-bagai-nya, dan juga memberi kapada Kerajaan supaya dapat menempatkan orang2 yang membuat kerja2 sa-umpama itu di-tempatkan pada tempat2 yang ter- tentu.

kuasa Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $10 for Head 125 agreed the Development (No.

2) Estimates, to stand part of (Supplementary) 1964.
Head 133— The Assistant Minister of Agricul ture and Co-operatives (Enche' Sulai- man bin Bulon): Tuan Pengerusi, suatu perbelanjaan sa-banyak $52,605 telah di-untokkan di-dalam Anggaran Pembangunan Tahun 1964 di-bawah Kepala 133, Fisheries Kepala-kechil 19, "Life Buoy and Navigation Aid for Fishing Villages", ini ia-lah untok memelihara perbelanjaan kerana me- masang dua buah pelampong ka-arah jauh dalam Pulau Langkawi untok mengurangkan kejadian2 yangt nelayan2 daripada Siam datang menjelajah atau merayau di-kawasan perayeran kita atau sa-umpama-nya.
Dan juga untok lampu2 pengawas atau menyediakan pun "guiding light" di-Kuala Sungai Besar di-Selangor dan juga di-Kuala Tebal di-Kelantan.

Oleh sebab kerana ini hendak dasar Kerajaan masa 2223 14 OCTOBER 1964 2224 memberikan kemudahan2 yang lebeh kapada nelayan2 atau pun perkampong2 nelayan, dengan konfrantasi Indonesia ini maka banyak-lah per- mohonan2 yang di-terima daripada nelayan2 untok memasang lampu peng- awas lampu sharat "guiding light" ini di-pasang dijkampong2 mereka.
sebab is estimated at $100,000.

The total the project would now be cost of $696,000 and the increase in cost is by $96,000.

As the provision for 1964 will cover the cost of work to be done this year, a is requested in the Supplementary Esti mates.
token sum of $10 ada-lah perbelanjaan Sembilan buah lampu ada-lah telah di-minta untok di-pasang dan jumlah lebeh wang kurang $85,000 dan permohonan ini telah juga mendapat sokongan dari pada Kementerian Kewangan dan juga Pembangunan Negara atau pun Rural Development.

Jadi, dengan demikian Kementerian ini memohon izin supaya dapat meluluskan satu peruntokan sharat $10 bagi membolehkan menye- diakan kemudahan2 yang sa-umpama itu.

Terima kaseh.

Question put, and agreed to.


The sum of $10 for Head 133 agreed the Development (No.

2) Estimates, to stand part of (Supplementary) 1964.

Heads 136,139,171,174,195 and 197— I would The Minister of Works, Posts and (Dato9 V. T. Telecommunications Sambanthan): Mr Chairman, Sir, with your permission, to take all the Heads under the Ministry of Works, Posts and Telecommunica tions together.
Sir, I beg to move that a sum totalling $1,914,967 under Heads 136, 139, 171, 174, 195 and 197 under the Ministry of Works, Posts and Telecommunications be approved.

like an sum additional Under Head 136, Postal Services (Malaya), of $96,000 is asked for to supplement sub head 34 item (ii)—General Post Office and Divisional Headquarters Kuala line estimated Trengganu.
The first cost of this project was $502,000 and accordingly the provision of $600,000, including the cost of land, all equip ment and furniture was asked for.

The final drawings were completed and tenders were called in March, 1964.

However, the Public Works Depart ment lowest tender received and the all-in cost of the building would be $596,010.
The cost of furniture, equipment and land later advised that the (Other is necessary Coming to Head 139, Government Buildings than Housing) (Malaya), the increase in expenditure to under sub-head 58 cope with additional commitments.

According to the 1964 Development Estimates, the revised estimated total cost of this sub-head was $2 million.

This figure was increased to $2,255,000 under the First Supplement to the 1964 Estimates to include alterations to the P.W.D.
Headquarters Building in Jalan Maxwell, which was not included in the original Estimates.

With the crea tion of new Ministries after the elections, it has become necessary to provide additional office accommoda tion the following: in existing premises for (a) Ministry of Welfare Services; (b) Ministry of Home Affairs; (c) Ministry of Broadcasting, Information and and a further increase of $200,000 is necessary to the total cost.

The House is now asked to approve only a token vote of $10.
I now come to Head 171, Posts and Telegraphs (Sabah) under which an additional sum of $971,915 is sought.

The increase of $55,500 under sub head 2—Extension of Post Office and Telephone Exchange Sandakan—is for the provision of carrier room, male and female rest rooms and engineering office space.

More space has recently been made available in the Administra tive Block for further departmental accommodation and this could not have been foreseen when the original programme was prepared.
It has been possible to quote savings within the amount already appropriated under sub-head 18—"Telephone Exchange, Tenom" and only a token sum of $10 is asked for.

The increase under sub-head 6 is for the purpose of meeting access and 2225 14 OCTOBER 1964 2226 these the equipment security fencing expenditure.

No pro vision was made for the in is original estimates.

The building surrounded by fine sand, and in the interests of the sur rounds will have to be turfed.
The additional funds required are based on a P.W.D.

quotation for the cost of bringing to an acceptable standard and the provision of cable entries.

It has been possible to quote savings from sub-head 10—"Telephone is now Exchange" and asked to approve only a token of $10.
the House the site The $10,000 increase sought under sub-head 13 is to enable the depart ment to have the building constructed to the standards required and it is also necessary to install tiling and seal flooring in order to eliminate risk of damage dust.

Savings could be quoted from sub head 9 of the 1964 Estimates and the House is asked to approve only a token vote of $10.
to equipment from An additional sum of $30,000 is required under sub-head 20 item (i) as the cable, ancillary equipment and labour costs of this Scheme was under estimated.

Further equipment will be required to be purchased for the com pletion of the Scheme.

Sufficient savings could be quoted within the amount already appropriated under sub-head 10 and only a token vote of $10 is entered.

The total estimated cost of the project under sub-head 21 was ori ginally $855,200.
The projects under sub-heads 12 and 15 are now included in this sub-head.

In 1961 there was a need to establish adequate telephone circuits between exchange areas and, the the advent of bearing in mind SEACOM cable the major to towns of Sabah with that cable.

To this end it was proposed to provide a multi-channel Radio Telephone system between Jesselton and Kamburangoh, to cater for up to forty-eight speech circuits and telegraph channels.
The proposals at the time did not involve any supplement to the V.H.F.

channels between Sandakan, Tawau and Labuan, on the one hand, with Kamburangoh, on the other, though provision was link made for some modification to these circuits.

At present there are five channels between Sandakan, Tawau and Labuan with Kamburangoh.

With the large number of frequen cies in use interference problems are becoming extremely difficult especially at Kamburangoh.
Additionally, fur ther channels of improved quality are required to Sandakan, Tawau and Labuan and other circuits requiring in Sabah in capacity an could be catered for using the existing five channels equipment if suitably modified.

To enable the project to be implemented, an additional sum of $778,450 is therefore required.
increase the installation to connect A sum of $193,425 is requested under sub-head 22 as it has become necessary to place orders in 1964 for materials Jesselton Telephone Exchange with Cable and Wireless Limited's at Tanjong Aru for joining the South- East Asia Commonwealth Telephone Cable (SEACOM).

This cable, landing at Jesselton itself will constitute an important link in the system.
Malay sia will enter a new era in international and national telecommunications when Stage I of SEACOM is completed in 1965.

When this project is completed our operators would be able to dial through in Jesselton and Hong Kong and vice versa which will also mark the joining of the East and West Malaysia by a solid high quality telephone link.
This is also the first stage towards the entry of Malay sia as one of the few countries in the world having direct high quality tele phone cable to a world-wide network.

to subscribers Touching on Head 175—Govern ment Housing (Sabah), the provision of $130,000 is required for the construc tion of five Division III Quarters and one Division II Quarter for the staff of the Broadcasting and Information Department of Sabah working at Jesselton Transmitting Station at 10th Mile Papar Road.
The need to con struct these quarters was urgent in order that the staff working on the Transmitting Station be as close as possible to the Station itself.

This is desirable both from the point of view 2227 14 OCTOBER 1964 2228 of efficiency and more so for security reasons.

of sum (Other the in Kuching.


The Coming to Head 195—Government than Housing) Buildings (Sarawak), $150,000 required under sub-head 5 is for the extension to the present Information Office Information Service in Sarawak has been expand ing considerably in the past few months and would continue to do so in the near future.
The extension proposed would be able to provide accommoda tion for the newly created Field and Training Division—hitherto occupying one floor of the Fata Building—and Infor also space for mation Service, as well as the Film Service.

the permanent The construction of the extension is a sound economic proposition since the rent paid for the present space over a period of a few years would cover the actual cost of the building itself.
In the interest of efficiency it is highly desir able that all divisions in the Depart one ment compound.

should be located in I would now come to the last Head under the Ministry of Works, Posts and Telecommunications—Head 197, "Telecommunications (Sarawak)" under which a total supplementary sum of $813,022 is required.

radio Referring equipment to sub-head 1, "Multi channel Radio", a total provision of $20,000 had been made for this year.
This scheme provides for the multi link channel to Kuching-Sibu-Bintalu-Miri.

The total estimated cost of this scheme is $2 million and at the time of the pre paration of the 1964 Estimates it was anticipated that a total of $1,980,000 could be spent up to 1st December, 1963; hence the provision of $20,000 in the 1964 Estimates.

Furthermore, when the latest indents on equipment to complete the scheme was placed in 1963, it was done so against a promised delivery date of November 1963.
This delivery has, however, been retarded for various the manu reasons by facturers necessitating payment to be made in 1964.

A total sum of $68,143 will be required to pay for the cost of equipment in 1964 and an advance by Direction Warrant has been obtained from the Contingencies Fund, where a balance of is still available.

This balance amounts to $48,143.


the unspent provision and that a The scheme under sub-head 4 pro vides for the buildings and telephone exchange equipment at Simanggang, Sarikei, Kanowit, Serian, Bau, Bentong, Bintulu, Limbang equipment extensions at Miri and Bintulu.

The total estimated cost of this scheme is $1,835,680 and in this year's estimates a total sum of $581,180 has been provided.
At the time of the prepara it was the 1964 Estimates tion of anticipated total of $924,500 could be spent up to the 31st December, 1963 and that $581,180 and $330,000 would be required in 1964 and 1965 respectively.

Most of the building pro gramme is carried over to 1964 and it is estimated that the revised require ment in 1964 would be in the region of $1,212,642.
Since the actual expen diture up to 31st December, 1963 is $293,038 as against the estimated an unspent balance of $924,500, $631,462 therefore available.

An advance from the Contingencies Fund for $631,462 has accordingly been obtained by Direction Warrant.

is Under sub-head for underground cable 5—Underground Cables Scheme 1—an additional sum of $64,055 is requested.
This scheme provides for telephone distribution at Bau, 10th Mile Kuching, 24th Mile Kuching, Betong, Binatang, Simanggang, Kanowit, Sarikei, Song, Bintulu, Lim bang and Miri.

The total estimated cost is $189,200 and it was thought that $169,200 would be spent up to 31st December, only in 1964.

$20,000 was estimated for However it has been discovered that the actual expenditure up to 31st December, 1963 was only $105,145.
This was caused by delay in cable in deliveries and pressure of work other theatres of operations within the department.

As there is an unspent balance of $64,055 an advance from the Contingencies Fund by Direction Warrant has been obtained.

1963—hence 2229 14 OCTOBER 1964 2230 With regard as Head 68, to sub-head 14, the Scheme for an H.F. Radio Telephone and Telegraph service between Kuching and Jesselton was shown in 1963 Esti mates sub-head 8, "Kuching-Jesselton High Frequency Radio Link".
The total estimated cost of the project is $250,000 and as it was anticipated that it could be completed in 1963 no provisions was therefore made in 1964 Estimates.

However, it has now been found that only $180,683 was spent up to 31st December, 1963 therefore an unspent and balance of $69,362 which is now required to meet the cost of equipment ordered in 1963.
An advance of $69,362 was obtained by Direction Warrant from the Contingencies Fund as it is not possible to say at this stage whether savings could be found from under other sub-heads of Head 197. there is House resumes Mr Speaker: The sitting is suspended till half-past four this afternoon.

Sitting suspended at 1 p.m.

Sitting resumed at 4.30 p.m. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) THE DEVELOPMENT (SUPPLE MENTARY) (No.

2) ESTIMATES, 1964 House immediately resolved itself into Committee of the whole House.
(Mr Speaker in the Chair) Heads 136, 139, 171, 174, 195 and 197— Question proposed.

That the sums of $10 for Head 136, $10 for Head 139, $971,915 for Head 171, $130,000 for Head 174, $10 for Head 195 and $813,022 for Head 197 stand part of the Development (Supple mentary) (No.

2) Estimates, 1964.

Question put, and agreed to.


The sums of $10 for Head 136, $10 for Head 139, $971,915 for Head 171, $130,000 for Head 174, $10 for Head 195 and $813,022 for Head 197 agreed to stand part of (Supplementary) 1964. the Development (No.

2) Estimates, Heads 146, 147 and 210— Mr Chairman: I propose that the sums of $3,000,000 for Head 146, $10 for Head 147 and $15,800 for Head 210 stand part of the Development (Supple mentary) (No.

2) Estimates, 1964.
2) Estimates, 1964.

The Minister of Transport (Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Mr Chair man, Sir, with your permission, may I take Head 146, Sub-head 9, Head 147, Sub-head 29 and Head 210, Sub-head 1, totalling $3,015,810 together?

Sir, I request that the expenditure under these Heads and Sub-heads in respect of my Ministry be approved.
Under Head 146, Sub-head 9, Deep Water Wharves, Butterworth: The Penang Port Commission's schemes for the construction of six deep water wharves at Butterworth and ancillary port facilities in the Five-Year Plan have been approved by the Federal Government.

It is envisaged that these wharves, when completed, can then cope with the increasing trade in future, especially in the northern parts of the Peninsula.
A loan agreement regarding the financial arrangement of $44,300,000 for the construction of the wharves was only finalised and signed on the 10th December, 1963, between the Federal Government and the Penang Port Commission.

As the 1964 Development Estimates had already been framed by then, the provision for 1964 was not entered in the Development Estimates.
However, in accordance with the drawn Schedule, the first phase of the work consisting of reclamation and dredging is under good progress and for this, $3,000,000 is required this year by way of supple mentary provision, and a sum of $1.53 million was already advanced from the Contingencies Reserve.
Under Head 147, Sub-head 29, Aero drome Ipoh, Improvements—Penang, Malacca, Kota Bharu, Alor Star and Kuala Trengganu: The change of title is to include the Aerodromes at Alor Star and Kuala Trengganu, because 2231 14 OCTOBER 1964 2232 security fencings at these two places are being provided at an estimated cost of $33,500 from within the already existing provision and, as such, only a token vote of $10 is now entered.
Under Head 210, Sub-head 7, Ins tallation of Radio Facsimile Receiver: Facsimile equipment was indented on the 27th June, 1963, on the Crown Agents, who were specifically requested to execute the indent before December, so that payment could be finalised in 1963 from the provision of $20,000 for the project.

Although Crown Agents confirmed that they would comply with the request, the equipment was deli vered only on the 8th January, 1964, so that its cost has now to be met from the 1964 provisions.
There is, unfortu nately, insufficient provision in the 1964 Estimates to pay for the equipment and a supplementary provision of $15,800 the which has been advanced from Contingencies is Fund, required this year to meet the expen diture.

Reserve Sir, I beg to move.

lapangan Dr Mahathir bin Mohamad (Kota Star Selatan): Tuan Pengerusi, saya sadikit berkenaan ingin berchakap dengan token vote dalam Kepala 147 Kepala-kechil 29.
Nampak-nya dari pada tambahan perbelanjaan ini Kera- jaan tidak mengkhaskan wang untok terbang.

Di-antara enam enam lapangan terbang ini ia-lah satu lapangan terbang yang tertua sa-kali di-Malaysia ini ia-itu lapangan terbang di-Alor Star.

Di-zaman kapal terbang terbang chuma 500 batu jauh sahaja, Alor Star ia-lah satu international air port di-mana kapal terbang K.L.M.

dan Imperial Airways mendarat.

Di-masa itu satu pondok papan dan atap telah di-dirikan sa-bagai terminal building.
Di-masa Jepun pula pondok ini di- tambah sadikit, dan sa-hingga sekarang ini pondok ini sahaja-lah yang menjadi terminal building bagi bekas inter national air-port Alor Star.

Saya ber- harap pada masa hadapan Kerajaan akan mengkhaskan belanja untok ter minal building baharu bagi Alor Star supaya sesuai dengan keadaan zaman jet.

Terima kaseh.
Terima kaseh.

di-ambil jambatan politik Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Pengerusi, di-bawah Head 147, juga bersama dengan Item 29 saya saudara saya dari Alor Star ia-itu meminta perhatian Kementerian yang berkenaan, berkenaan dengan padang kapal terbang di-Kota Bharu, Kelan- tan.

Oleh kerana sa'at2 yang akhir ini banyak pelanchong2 dan orang2 luar negeri datang ka-Tanah Melayu— ini dan banyak-lah kapal2 Malaysia terbang pergi ka-sana.
Jadi, Tuan Pengerusi, ada berkaitan dengan-nya saya minta-lah perhatian yang baik ia-itu oleh kerana di-bawah Head 146 akan di-bena Wharves di-Butterworth ia-itu menchantekkan lagi pelabohan.

Jadi berkaitan dengan ini oleh kerana jambatan di-negeri Kelantan yang pada masa ini terkenal itu dengan nama sudah dekat hendak hampir siap.
Jadi apabila siap Wharves ini maka di-adakan pula di-Tumpat supaya dapat hidup bandar Tumpat itu yang menjadi satu pelabohan yang tidak kurang daripda Pulau Pinang, sesuai pula dengan jalan yang akan di-beri terns pergi daripada Sungai Siput ka-Kelantan.

Pengerusi, kalau kita benamkan sentiment politik dalam pembenaan ini, walau pun kita menghadapi konfrantasi, saya yakin perkara2 lebeh menolong sa-kali pun parti2 masharakat kita kita ini boleh jadi tidak memerentah atau mati pada masa akan datang.
Jadi, Tuan Pengerusi, kalau-lah kita tidak memberikan perhatian kapada tempat2, pada tabi'i-nya dapat pan- dangan dan tarekan, saya rasa tempat2 yang kita chuba hendak menchantek jalan tangan dengan kan dengan artificial tentu-lah memakan belanja lebeh banyak daripada tempat2 natural beauty.

Jadi ini-lah yang saya harap Kementerian ini dapat memberi per hatian yang baik.
Ini Tuan ini akan (Bagan): Enche' Tan Cheng Bee Mr Chairman, Sir, I would to like touch on Head 146—Ports, Sub-head 9 Deep Water Wharves, Butterworth, and I would like to support this supple mentary provision of $3 million for the deep sea wharves.

I would also like to thank for the Honourable Minister choosing my constituency of Bagan to 2233 14 OCTOBER 1964 2234 it put up these deep sea wharves that would in future be the landing points for all imports and exports throughout North Malaya.
I think, Sir, Bagan Dalam is an ideal place to put up these deep sea wharves, as is accessible from the roads in the main land and very soon we will have the Railway coming to this point.

As I have said, Sir, Bagan Dalam is a very ideal place.
I hope my Honourable friends from Penang Island will not be jealous of this project coming over to the mainland, as I hope they will realise that definitely in the course of time most of the commercial Indus trial and Import and Export activities would naturally flow over to the main land because of the small nature of Penang Island with its limited suitable foreshores and also because land there is is so valuable really difficult and expensive in Penang Island.
that development Mr Chairman, Sir, I hope, however, that when these deep sea wharves are constructed the Government will look into the matter of improving the roads and giving more facilities along the new jetties for parking vehicles.

As it is, I see that there is a lot of congestion with the buses and taxis all entered at the entrance to the pier.

I hope provision will be made for enough parking spaces of all these taxis and buses area without jetty obstructing the movements of passen gers, etc.
Thank you.
the in Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Chairman, Sir, this is a pure coincidence that we to have the opportunity of referring Head 146 in the context of the State of Penang over the question of ports, because we have this wonderful oppor tunity of demonstrating the difference of outlook between the people in the Alliance Party in Penang and those in the Opposition because, with us, the State of Penang consists of Penang Island and Province Wellesley and we this dichotomy of do not fall Province Wellesley Province Wellesley and Penang Island down the drain.
Naturally, I support, and have always supported, the idea of having this improvement of wharves in Butter- worth.

It is an important development into for for the State of Penang.
Sir, although I had a fairly substantial reply to my previous remarks on this subject from the Minister of Transport, I feel, how ever, that he missed the point at issue when I raised this question of the token vote in view of development, and I crave the indulgence of this House if I bring the question of Penang more prominently the attention of all members of this House.
to as We in Penang are deeply conscious of the future economic livelihood of the people of Penang, and by that I naturally include the people in Butter- the whole of Province worth and Wellesley, everybody because, knows, by history and by tradition, the economic livelihood of Penang depends facilities.
With upon the its port the Federation of development of Malaya, Penang, at one time was con sidered to be one of the "have" States and therefore its development was put into a slight "cold storage" to allow the other States to develop and catch up in comparison with the State of Penang.

Also with the development of the Federation of Malaya, the concept of Customs area, Common Market and important status became free port issues in Penang.
Now with Malaysia, the question of the further industrialisa tion and the development of Penang, in order to provide for an improve ment in the standard of living and the future in Penang, has become a very important one in view of the fact that the problem of Common Market in relation to the the free port status of problem of Penang is an important and contro versial political issue.
I would like to bring to the attention of this House, Sir, the fact that the question of the retention of the free port status of Penang was very wisely put aside by the Honourable Prime Minister when he promised the people of Penang, in the words of the Chief Minister of Penang (I quote), "The Honourable the Prime Minister has agreed implementation of to include Penang Island in the Common Market should be kept in abeyance until such time as Penang can be per suaded to accept it."
Sir, we feel that that the proposal livelihood of the people 2235 14 OCTOBER 1964 2236 the way of persuading the people of Penang to join the Common Market.. .

Dato' Haji Sardon: Sir, on a point of order—under Standing Order 36 (1); I think we are not talking about the Common Market.

The subject matter under debate is the vote of $3 million for the Wharves at Butterworth.
from it Dr Lim Chong Eu: Sir, this again is a very kind reminder the further Honourable Minister and indicates the fact that the Minister very naturally is concentrated on his own Head of Expenditure and his own Portfolio.

But we are discussing the problems of his Portfolio in relation to development as a whole and the provi sion of the port .

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Dato' Haji Sardon: Mr Chairman, Sir, I think the general debate is over already, and today we are debating on the amounts that are allocated.
I am trying to draw the Honourable Mem ber's attention I am not to stopping him from speaking.

that; Mr Chairman: You concentrate on Head 146, Sub-head 9 only.

regard Dr Lim Chong Eu: Sir, therefore, to future development, with naturally, the extension of port and is an in Penang port development the important fact Government has provided the development of deep water wharves .

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The that for Dato' Dr Ismail: Mr Speaker, Sir, Standing Order 36 (1): I think the Honourable Member is ignoring what you told him to do.

Mr Chairman: (To Dr Lim Chong Eu) I have told you just now to con centrate on that point only, and not to ramble about.

Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Chairman, Sir, I have come to the sub-head "Deep Water Wharves, Butterworth", and I am going to talk on it.
Mr Chairman: Would you confine yourself to the subject of deep water wharves in Butterworth—will you con centrate on that point only?

Dr Lim Chong Eu: Yes, Sir.

The question of the provision of deep water general wharves in Butterworth is, naturally, a very laudable subject.

However, the question of the development of deep water wharves in Butterworth under the "Ports heading (Malaya)", in the full context, cannot the be complete unless we consider further problem of extension of to Penang Island.
these wharves on the provision of of itu dan sadikit penumpang2 Tuan Haji Ahmad hin Abdullah (Kelantan Hilir): Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak berchakap lagi di- bawah Head 147, Aerodrome Improve ment.

Tuan Pengerusi, suka-lah saya menarek pandangan Yang Berhormat Menteri dalam perkara aerodrome di- Kota Bharu.

Nampak-nya benaan baharu yang di-tambah di-Kota Bharu untok memanjangkan padang kapal terbang di-Kota Bharu sudah hampir selesai dan siap.
Tetapi sayang- nya rumah yang dahulu-nya chuma dapat menchukupi bagi perlindongan pelanchong2 sa- banyak 50 orang sahaja, selalu-nya saya lihat orang yang beratus2 orang menuntun ka-padang kapal terbang menghantar kaum kerabat mereka bertolak ka-Pulau Pinang tidak dapat tempat untok berlindong di-dalam rumah yang kechil itu.
Oleh sebab yang demikian, saya minta kapada Menteri Yang Berhormat ini supaya mengada- kan satu ranchangan untok mendirikan satu rumah yang lagi, terbang ini kapal kerana turun dan naik-nya di- bertambah tersebut dan bilangan2 tempat yang pelanchong2 yang datang ka-Pantai Timor pun makin sa-hari makin ber tambah, oleh sebab demikian saya suka menarek perhatian kapada Menteri yang bersangkutan, supaya di-adakan satu rumah yang modern dan yang menasabah dengan padang kapal ter bang yang baharu itu.
lebeh besar sekarang Enche' Abdul Karim bin Abu (Melaka Selatan): Tuan Pengerusi, dalam menyokong perbelanjaan tam- bahan yang di-kemukakan oleh Kemen- terian yang berkenaan, saya suka-lah berchakap sadikit walau pun tidak ada perhubongan-nya, saya suka mengingat- kan kapada Kementerian yang ber kenaan di-Kepala 146 ia-itu berhubong dengan pelabohan, kerana pelabohan 2237 14 OCTOBER 1964 2238 Melaka yang menjadi sejarah tidak ada ini di-buat langsong dalam budget peruntokan.
Dato' Haji Sardon: Tuan Pengerusi, Melaka tidak ada dalam peruntokan ini.

Mr Speaker: Nanti dahulu, kalau ada orang lagi jemput-lah.

Dato' Haji Sardon: Mr Chairman, Sir, I am grateful to the Honourable Member for Bagan for his kind words of appreciation to the Alliance Govern ment for what it has done not only for the Province but also for Penang Island.

to that the deep water wharves The Honourable Member for Tan- the jong yesterday also stated should be constructed on wharves Penang say I wish Island.
here, Sir, that it is not my idea of having in Butterworth but the expert's it opinion.

I am glad he later changed his mind and now supports the move, and I hope Penang Island will derive benefits despite the fact that the deep water wharves would be based in Butterworth.

Other than touching on that point, I do not wish to reply to other subjects like common market and other things.
is bukan padang Berkenaan dengan Ahli Yang Ber hormat dari Kota Star Selatan, yang sa-benar-nya kapal terbang di-Kota Bharu itu tidak chukup besar, tetapi bangunan-nya, walau pun bangunan itu saya telah dapat per untokan untok sapu kapor dan sapu chat sementara itu, kita harap dalam ranchangan 5 tahun yang kedua pada masa yang akan datang, ada per untokan memperbaiki keadaan itu kerana kemajuan di-padang kapal ter bang itu terlampau banyak, jadi kita kena-lah pileh mana satu yang mus- tahak sa-kali di-beri keutamaan yang lebeh.
Jadi, jangan supaya bangunan itu tidak roboh dan boleh di-gunakan.

sabar-lah kita, Yang kedua juga Ahli Yang Ber hormat dari Bachok telah berkata, berkenaan dengan bangunan kapal terbang di-Kota Bharu itu, dan juga perkara ini telah di-bangkitkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Kelantan Hilir sama juga berkenaan dengan airport, kedua2 Ahli Yang Berhormat ini patut sedar, kami tidak menganak tirikan di-mana2 juga ada padang kapal terbang.
Kerajaan Pusat memberi keutamaan kapada keadaan beberapa banyak kali penerbangan itu di-adakan di-sana, di-tambah dari dahulu hanya 6 kali kapada 11 kali hari ini pada tiap2 minggu.
Dalam ranchangan memajukan padang2 kapal terbang dan meluluskan padang kapal terbang Kota telah di-berikan peruntokan Bharu dalam tahun 1962 dan 1963 yang memakan belanja satu million, yang sa-benar-nya padang kapal terbang itu sudah lagi menanam pokok di-kanan kiri, ini menunjokkan Kerajaan Pusat ia-itu Kerajaan Per- ikatan tidak ada sa-kali2 pileh kaseh untok menolong di-negeri Kelantan di-Pantai Timor yang di- perentahkan oleh PAS, tinggal ra'ayat siap, tidak Berkenaan dengan Tumpat, malang- nya ini dalam ada benda Tumpat, tetapi oleh kerana Yang Ber hormat itu telah mengambil berat, saya sedang menyiasat Tumpat itu yang mana terlampau tohor tidak boleh buat satu pelabohan di-sana pun, sebab itu elok-lah juga dengan jalan di-antara Pantai Timor ka-Pantai Barat dengan ada-nya pembenaan wap2 yang besar itu, boleh-lah barang2 daripada Pantai Timor di-rujokkan ka-pengkalan di- Butterworth itu.
Itu juga satu daripada tujuan yang saya terangkan, barang2 daripada Pantai Timor kira-nya jalan itu sudah jadi dan wap akan dapat tiga ratus tahun ton dalam anggaran kita.

ribu satu Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $3,000,000 for Head 146, the sum of $10 for Head 147 and the sum of $15,800 for Head 210 agreed the Development to stand part of (Supplementary) (No.

2) Estimates, 1964.
2) Estimates, 1964.

Question put, and resolved, "That this House resolves that an addi tional sum not exceeding $22,939,333 be expended out of the Development Fund in respect of the financial year 1964, and that, to meet the purpose of the Heads and Sub heads set out in the second column of the Statement laid on the Table as Command Paper No.

27 of 1964, there be appropriated 2239 14 OCTOBER 1964 2240 the sums specified opposite such Heads and Sub-heads in the eighth and ninth columns thereof."
House resumed.

The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan Siew Sin): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee has consi dered the motion referred to it and has agreed to it.

I accordingly move, "That this House resolves that an addi tional sum not exceeding $22,939,333 be expended out of the Development Fund in respect of the financial year 1964, and that, to meet the purpose of the Heads and Sub heads set out in the second column of the Statement laid on the Table as Command Paper No.
27 of 1964, there be appropriated the sums specified opposite such Heads and Sub-heads in the eighth and ninth columns thereof."

Dato' Dr Ismail: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, "That this House resolves that an addi tional sum not exceeding $22,939,333 be expended out of the Development Fund in respect of the financial year 1964, and that, to meet the purpose of the Heads and Sub heads set out in the second column of the Statement laid on the Table as Command Paper No.

27 of 1964, there be appropriated the sums specified opposite such Heads and Sub-heads in the eighth and ninth columns thereof."
THE SUPPLEMENTARY SUPPLY (1964) BILL, 1964 Second Reading Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "An Act to apply sums out of the Conso lidated Fund for additional expenditure for the service of the year 1964 and to appropriate certain purposes" be read a second time.
sums such for an additional Clause 2 of the Bill seeks authority expenditure of for $186,303,778 for the service of the year 1964 and this is shown in the Schedule to the Bill and also in the Supply Expenditure the Second section of Supplementary Estimates of Expendi ture, 1964, tabled as Command Paper No.

28 of 1964.

The original Estimates approved by to Parliament $1,469.9 million.
Taking into account 1964 amounted for for the previous Supplementary Estimates in already approved by Parliament July this year and the Second Supple ment now required, the total appro priation to $1,695.6 million.

Of the supplement of $186 million presently required, a sum of $27.8 million has already been advanced the Contingencies Fund to meet urgent expenditure and this has now to be recouped.
1964 will come from in for and of balances Although administration connection with supplement the present appears to be very large, $150 million of the $186 million sought is required for transfer to the Development Fund.

This amount is the same as that for last year and represents the use of our reserve development expenditure as envisaged in the current Five Year Plan.

Apart from this, the other big items of expenditure required involve 10 Heads of expenditure.
Head S. 1, Parliament, requires a supplement of $353,630 to meet the increased cost of running Parliament House, as well as additional expenses the meetings of Parliament and Parlia mentary Committees.

The Ministry (Head S. 14) needs of Defence the Local $13.96 million, of which Defence Corps of the Territorial Army requires $11.6 million.

National Service $1.2 million and emergency accommodation for Malaysian troops in the Borneo States $1.16 million.
The Ministry of Home Affairs (Head S. 72) seeks a supplement of $1.2 million for additional the purpose of meeting security expenditure the Borneo States.

The Royal Malaysia Police (Heads S. 40, 65M, 66R, 67T) seeks a supplement of $8.8 million, of which a sum of $4.5 million required mainly for the Secret Service, payment of subsistence allowances for all ranks of the Borneo States and for operational equipment.
The increase in the esta blishment of the Sabah and Sarawak the Royal Malaysia components of Police and the annually recurrent and special expenditure connected therewith require the sums of $1.5 million and $2.8 million respectively.
Civil Defence (Head S. 75) requires a supplement of the cost of to meet $2.35 million the Police Field Force in in is 2241 14 OCTOBER 1964 2242 and in Malaya Foreign Ministers' in Japan, to Africa expanding the local defence organisa the other tions component States of Malaysia.
The Ministry of External Affairs (Head S. 16) seeks a supplement of $1.13 million to meet the expenses incurred in connection with His Majesty's visit to Japan, the Prime Minister's attend ance at the Commonwealth Prime Ministers' Conference in London, the and Tripartite Summit Meetings the and Goodwill Mission telegram charges incurred as a result of urgent directives being transmitted to and from Missions overseas during these busy periods of negotiation.
A sum of $626,000 is required by the Ministry of Information and Broad casting and the Departments under it (Heads S. 25, 26, 28, 66H, 67K, 67L) for stepping up in Malaya and information services the Borneo States and of augmenting Psychological Warfare operations in the Borneo States.

the purpose of to There are also contributions certain statutory funds as well as other supplements which are relatively small in amount, and these are described in the Treasury Memorandum tabled as Command Paper No.
29 of 1964.

The Ministers concerned will give any explanations the required Committee stage.

during Sir, I beg to move.

Dato' Dr Ismail: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

to tried the need Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Minister of Finance in moving the Second reading of the second Supplementary Supply Bill for 1964, for has justify additional expenditure amounting to $186 million plus.

This is in addition to the sum of over $39 million voted early in July this year.
As he has pointed out, total expenditure for the year to about $1,695 million, to be exact $1,695,630,113.

far The additional expenditure amounts to about 13.3% above the original estimates.

God alone knows how many supplementary Supply Bills will be presented to this House for the rest of the year and even in the new this brings the so year for expenditure incurred during this year.
These items of expenditure should not be presented by Govern ment during a period of national crisis when every effort should be made by the Government to see that funds are not wasted.

Mr Speaker, Sir, this has become the standard practice for the Government.

Very often money is spent in advance and Parliament is made to approve of the expenditure.

As I pointed out in the July session, Parliament is made a mere rubber stamp.

However, there are certain expenditures which are unfore seen and necessary.
But some of the expenditure appear to be frivolous and not the state of Emergency in the country and entirely at of the variance with confronting confrontation.

in keeping with object Confrontation lots of other itself has become a very costly and exacting affair.

Out of the $186 million sought, $150 million is for development and about $20 million-plus is for defence and police.
There are also items connected with the confrontation apart from defence and police, which brings the figure to well over $20 million.

It will be hard to estimate the exact cost of the Alliance Government over the establishment of is becoming an Malaysia, but increasingly heavy burden the people.
the bungling by for it I to bring is found necessary Mr Speaker, Sir, for an example, may I quote a press report—here I stand corrected—of, think, about fifty detainees being flown over from Kuching to Malaya and then on to Batu Gajah.

This is where I say there is a wanton waste of public funds.

If it the detainees over from Kuching to Batu that Gajah, and I do not question necessity, why then is it necessary for them to be flown over?

Would it not be far cheaper for them to be shipped over to Malaya?
Again, Mr Speaker, Sir, would it not be far cheaper for the Government to take these fifty people.

most of whom I think are misguided youths, on a conducted tour throughout Malaya, to let them see good things of life that we have in this country 2243 14 OCTOBER 1964 2244 then finally let them be brain and that, washed by Douglas Hyde, so perhaps they can be turned into very good citizens and, perhaps, may well support the Government and be pro- Government and pro-Alliance to boot.
That wilL I think, be a far cheaper business than flying them over and then putting them in Batu Gajah where, as we heard yesterday, it costs about $1.30 is where I said there is a wanton waste of public funds.

them alone.

That to feed Therefore, I reiterate that the Alli ance Government should seek every possible means of resolving the dispute by conciliation with Indonesia.

Our dispute with Indonesia has reached an impasse, and there does not seem to be any solution in sight.
the Socialist Front would However, like to urge the Government not to waste any further time but straightaway accept a Conciliation Commission of Afro-Asian Countries as agreed earlier the Security and as in keeping Council Resolution and with the Afro-Asian the views of nations.

suggested in this citizens Here, Mr Speaker, Sir, I think the ordinary country, in perhaps, may well be excused if they say, "We are very confused over this question of Conciliation Commission of this House Afro-Asian nations."
In itself, many Members, and I think a few Ministers themselves, have said that we cannot talk with Indonesia.

Many statements have been made by the the Prime Minister and both Deputy Prime Minister that we will not talk with Indonesia.

Therefore, I do not know what is the solution then.

If you do not want to talk, what then is the solution?

As I pointed out during the debate on 10th September, this solution therefore, must be a shooting war, which nobody wants— least of all Indonesia.
But, Mr Speaker, I think the Government has seen the light of day, because I see in a press report again, yesterday or day before yesterday, that none other the Prime Minister himself has stated that the only an Afro-Asian Conciliation Commission.

solution through then, than is To that extent, Sir, I must congratulate the Prime Minister and the Govern ment to seeing the light and being more realistic in seeking to settle our dispute amicably with Indonesia.
Coming to other expenditure, which I have termed frivolous, I must say that I am ashamed of some of the Ministers who have been permitted such expenditures in their Ministries.

in permitting some of Mr Speaker, Sir, I submit that the Minister of Finance has acted irres ponsibly the expenditures, as I shall show.

In fact, the Ministers themselves should be ashamed of themselves.
The Alliance Ministers have wasted the country's funds by permitting the waste of public funds when the nation is faced with a financial crisis.

is said Mr Speaker, Sir, I refer to item 23 of Command Paper No.

29, on page 12.

An additional sum of $6,000 js required by the Minister and Assistant furniture Minister of Commerce for the to be old.

Sir, which furniture in nearly all Government Departments are old.

They have always the been repaired and repainted by civil P.W.D.
and the this servants use them.

Why should not be done by for the Minister Commerce and his Assistant?

clerks and These Ministers are elected by the people, some of whom cannot afford even old furniture in their homes.

The people expected these two Ministers to work hard and improve the standard the poor people who of this voted House.

living for these two Ministers into Mr Speaker, Sir, what do these two Alliance Ministers do when they get into power: they are drunk with the power of their importance.
They must have NEW FURNITURE.

They spent $6,000 hurriedly on new furniture without coming to the Parliament for permission to incur this expenditure.

this House with They have treated contempt.

Mr Speaker, Sir, after spending this money on prestige furniture, where do they go to find money to pay for this furniture?

They raid the money voted 2245 14 OCTOBER 1964 2246 by Parliament servants.

The draw money P.E.

i.e.

Personal Emoluments.


for salaries of civil two Ministers quietly the vote called from Mr Speaker, Sir, the money for civil service salaries gets exhausted because of this expenditure on prestige furniture for these Ministers.

What do they do next, Sir?

The Minister of Commerce appoints two additional Trade Com missioners to our Embassy in London.

He appoints more civil servants.

Has he the money to pay their salaries?


No, he has no money the vote for salaries of staff which was voted by Parliament.

He has misused the money for prestige Ministerial furniture.

The Minister of Commerce and his other irresponsible colleague, the Minister of Finance, have used money for staff for furniture.

in Mr Speaker, Sir, what does the Minister of Finance do?

Can he rap his M.C.A.

colleague on the knuckle for having misused public funds?

It is not the custom in the M.C.A.


to few respect public months ago Ipoh drew the attention of this House to a prominent M.C.A.

member misappro priating a Government cheque given to him by the Minister of Finance.

I myself have brought to the attention of this House the misuse of public funds in the local council of Jinjang.

funds.
funds.

Only a the Member for of Mr Speaker, Sir, the Minister of Finance did not rap the Minister of Commerce on the knuckle for mis using staff salaries for prestige furni Finance ture.

The Minister advanced $92,767 from the Contingen cies Fund to the salaries vote of the Ministry of Commerce.

This is how it is so easily done.

One Minister takes the salaries vote out $6,000 from for prestige ministerial furniture for himself and the other Minister fills it with another $92,767.
Mr Speaker, Sir, the Treasury does not permit money from one vote to be vired to another vote unless the Ministry con cerned can prove that there is going to be a saving in the vote.
In this case of the Second Supplementary Budget for the Ministry of Commerce, on page 12 it is shown that there was a saving that on in the salaries vote of $6,000 paragraph (2) and this had been used to buy prestige ministerial furniture, while in paragraph (1) this House is told the vote for salaries was busted by $92,767, and Parliament is now asked to approve the extra money used.
This is why I said earlier that the Minister for Finance has acted irresponsibly in agreeing to such was tage of public funds.

the roaming is not expenditure Mr Speaker, Sir, thus, this expendi ture I consider not only frivolous but a wanton waste at a time of national crisis.

This that will be incurred by any Government at a time of National Emergency.

It further goes to show that the Emer gency is a farce, and as such, un necessary.
If the Emergency is true and we expected the people to believe it, then this and a host of other ex penditures cannot and should not be incurred.

We expect our soldiers to fight in the jungles and our citizens to sacrifice their lives and time and countryside comfort keeping vigil.

But the Ministers want extraordinary comfort in the form of prestige for their offices.

As such, I suggest the this House request of $6,000 for furniture for the Minister of Commerce and Industry and his Assistant Minister.
Further, as the sum has already been incurred, it would not be out of place to sur charge the Ministers with $3,000 each.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not propose this out of spite or the greatest regard for the Honourable the Minister of Commerce and for his is Assistant Minister.

The nation facing a national crisis.

This House of Parliament and its members cannot act irresponsibly.

This is no time to spend money on prestige ministerial furniture.

ill-will.
ill-will.

I have reject that; Mr Speaker, Sir, the Minister of Commerce is not the only Minister who has misused money voted by Parliament for civil servants salaries.

If you turn to page 14 of Command Paper No.

29, Head S. 15, this House will note that the Minister of Educa tion has misused money voted for teachers salaries.

Mr Speaker, Sir, $2,590 of teachers salaries was used 2247 14 OCTOBER 1964 2248 to build ceiling for a room that con tains some charts in the Ministry.
for of Education Mr Speaker, Sir, our nation is crying out teachers and more teachers as soon as possible.

The to Minister Parliament and gets funds train new teachers as soon as possible.

The Minister and his Ministry officers sleep over the recruitment of new teachers for four long months.

Then they misuse the teachers allowances for building a ceiling.

comes to in to recruit Mr Speaker, Sir, this House must decide what is important.
Is building a ceiling over some charts important, or is the recruitment and training of teachers more important?

Mr Speaker, Sir, I cannot but say that the Minister of Education has acted irresponsibly.

The Minister has not executed his function in promoting the educational needs of our children as loyally as he should have done.

The delay of four months in recruiting teachers is to be condemned, especially when Parlia the 1964 ment had been asked teachers Budget for funds in January.
The magnitude of the damage done to the cause of educa tion by the Minister of Education can be assessed by the request made in these Supplementary Estimates for diverting teachers allowances for many other projects.

I refer to, Mr Speaker, Sir, the $25,715 asked for improving Malayan Exhibits the $30,010 asked for saving the Monu ments in Nubia, and the $12,000 asked for the money spent at the M.A.H.A.

Exhibition.

Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, all these funds are meant for the training of teachers.
While perhaps there might spending be some money on in the M.A.H.A.

on London Exhibition—perhaps they were spent for the cause of education—I do not see the necessity for diverting funds voted for teachers to saving the monu ments in Nubia.

There is a worldwide appeal for funds for saving the monu ments at Nubia and if it is considered necessary by this Government that it should contribute a sum towards that project, then certainly the Government can find it from some other vote.
But justification the Malayan Exhibits in London, and for has that acted please do not take the money voted for teachers for such a project.

To that the Minister of extent, I say Education irresponsibly.

When the teachers of Malaysia are crying out for more assistance, when the children are crying out for more is criminal schools and teachers, not teachers authorised by Parliament in time.

It is also a criminal folly to divert teachers allowances for other purposes.
to have recruited the it Mr Speaker, Sir, I submit that the Minister of Finance has again been negligent in allowing these virements to pass his notice, or perhaps it might have been brought to his attention and he has agreed to it- I do not know.

Mr Speaker, Sir, may I come back tof page 6 of Command Paper 29, Head S. 1.

A sum of $100,000 has been spent to meet additional expenses in connection with the meetings of Parliament and Parliamentary Com mittees.
in that Mr Speaker, Sir, it is well known fact the British House of Commons the minutes of meeting of the House are ready for Members the next day.

In this House Members are sent minutes for correction long after the meetings of Parliament.

Thus only a few days ago I have been sent for correction minutes of what I said in the July session of this House.
Now three months have elapsed since the meeting and Members will agree with me that it is difficult to make correct corrections after such a lapse of time.

of What should be done is that the corps reporters parliamentary should be increased so that we can get their official reports of this House very much earlier.

I commend this to the Honourable Minister of Finance or, perhaps, Mr Speaker, Sir, tempo rary stenographers can be employed solely to report on the proceedings of this House.
This is done, I believe, in the State Assembly of Singapore.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I come to page 9, Head S. 7, paragraph 15, of Command Paper 29.

Again it is a question of furniture for residences of Ministers 2249 14 OCTOBER 1964 2250 in the July and Assistant Ministers.

Mr Speaker, session we had Sir, approved the sum of $25,000 for the furnishing for residences of Ministers and Assistant Ministers.

Today we are asked to approve a further sum of $7,500.
Mr Speaker, Sir, may I ask all the Ministers when will they put a stop to the spending public funds for their own comfort?

Year in and to year out Parliament is asked to approve such expenditure which me is unnecessary, especially when the people are asked to make financial sacrifices for the welfare of the nation.

But the appetite of the Ministers in this direction, to me, appears to be insatiable.
Mr Speaker, Sir, Christmas is around the corner and I do know that the wives of Ministers go on a spend ing spree at this time of the year.

This year I hope the Minister of Finance will put a stop to such ex penditures by his Ministerial col leagues.

to the the fact the family of this House to Mr Speaker, Sir, I now come to Head S. 7, paragraph 18, Ex-gratia payment late Dato' Abang Haji Mustapha bin Dato' Hakim Haji Moasili.

Mr Spea ker, Sir, we are asked to approve a sum of $7,500 for this purpose.
In the July sitting of this House I drew the attention of the ex- gratia payment for the family of the late Dato' Sulaiman, and I asked the Government to draw up a scheme for this purpose instead of making an ad hoc decision.

Mr Speaker, Sir, in that becoming a view of Minister and Member of Parliament is becoming an occupational hazard, I strongly urge to draw up such a scheme as early as is barely six possible.
This House months old and already the death rate amongst the Alliance Members of Parliament and State Assemblymen is alarmingly high.

(Laughter).

This is a fact, Mr Speaker, Sir.

My Political Secretary is not here to help me as he is busy in Seberang Selatan fight ing an election caused by the sad demise of an Alliance Member of this Parliament.
Mr Speaker, Sir, matter should receive the urgent atten the Government tion of the Government and, I think, Honourable Members will agree with me that this is not a laughing matter as we have such a high death rate, and the occupational hazard is such a great one.

Mr Speaker, Sir, may I come now to the Ministry of External Affairs.

I notice that large sums are being spent on the Prime Minister's atten dance at the Commonwealth Confe to rence and on the Truth Mission Africa.
I shall comment on these later when we come the Committee to stage.

Today I wish to dwell on the invitation of the British Government the British send observers to General Elections.

this invitation was sent to the Ministry of External Affairs.

I stand corrected on this.

I do not know.


Mr Speaker, Sir, it is reported in the Malayan Times of 8th October as follows: to I believe "A party of Malaysian Parliamentarians will observe Britain at the general election on October 15, the high light of their current tour to Britain.
the polls at The party, who are the guests of the Commonwealth Relations Officer, consists of Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad, M.P., Assistant Secretary-General of the United Malays National Organisation, Mr V. J. Sundderam, Honorary Treasurer-General of the Malay sian Indian Congress, Mr Goh Teck Hock, Executive Secretary of the Alliance Party, Enche' Jumah bin Salim, Member of the Sabah Legislative Assembly, Mr Ong Kee Hui, President of the Kuching Municipal Council, Enche' Shariff bin Haji Ahmad, Political Secretary to the Minister of Agri culture and Co-operatives and Mr Chan Chong Wen, M.P."
Mr Speaker, Sir, it will be noticed there are 5 Alliance members that from Malaya, one from Sabah and only one Opposition Member, namely, Mr Ong Kee Hui of the Sarawak United Peoples' Party.

Mr Speaker, Sir, the question arises is that why are the Opposition in Malaya completely ignored?

(Laughter).

After all, the Pan- Malayan Islamic Party had 17 per cent of the Socialist Front 13.6 per cent of the votes in the last election.

Who in the Ministry of External Affairs this matter?
If it was done by politicians, then I can understand the selection.

If it was done by civil servants, then I say it is regretable that the civil the votes and handled 2251 14 OCTOBER 1964 2252 servants should be cowed by political masters.

their the invitation for To make matters worse, I am that Mr Ong Kee reliably informed Hui received this visit not from the Ministry of External Affairs but from the Alliance Party.
He received a letter from the Alliance Party, and this goes to show how the Alliance Party arrogated to itself the powers and duties of the Government.

in bringing Mr Speaker, Sir, this matter to the attention of this House, the Socialist Front is not hoping or trying to get such political perks.

In fact, it may be true to say that if we accept such political perks, it may be the kiss of death for us.
Mr Speaker, Sir, all that I wish to ask is, why should the Minister of External Affairs mishandled such matters, and worse still handed over the Alliance Party?

to Mr Speaker, Sir, I now come to Head S. 24, Ministry of Health, Con tribution to Lady Templer T.B.

Hos pital.

I must congratulate the Minister of Health and his colleague, the Minister of Finance for their prompt response to the adjournment speech I made on this matter.
I now call on the Minister of Health to post a Malaysian surgeon to the Lady Tem pler Hospital so that when the present surgeon leaves the post can be filled by a local surgeon.

I believe that a local surgeon is willing and eager to understudy the present incumbent and hence I call on the Minister of Health to post the local surgeon concerned to that post.

the think, Mr Speaker, Sir, may I now speak for a little while on the prison at Batu Gajah.
Mr Speaker, Sir, recently I was to visit the prison at Batu allowed Gajah, and here, I then Acting Minister of Home Affairs, the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister, has allowed me to go there and to talk to some of the detainees there.

I was told that the dormitories were too cramped, facilities rations were were short reading the materials were not sufficient and the facilities were not ade recreational the cooking the some cases, inadequate, in quate.
If I remember rightly in the July sitting of this House we voted about a quarter of a million dollars for this prison and today weN are asked to approve a further expenditure of $117,150.

I hope that with this addi tional sum of money the shortcomings that I have listed will be rectified.

Mr Speaker, Sir, may I make a few quotations from the Written Replies to Questions that I have asked.

I refer to page 14 of these Written Replies, paragraph 20.
Mr Speaker, Sir, in that Question I asked the Minister of Edu cation to state why news bulletins, etc., from the Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka have not been sent to detainees at Batu Gajah even in spite of the repeated requests made by the detainees.

The reply has been that the Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka has not produced any news bulletins and has not received any requests from detainees at Batu Gajah for journals produced by it.
Mr Speaker, Sir, I do know the detainees at Batu Gajah have made these requests to the Camp Comman dant, and they are very keen to read all these journals and any other publi cations from the Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka.
Mr Speaker, Sir, I hope all Members of this House will agree with me that such a desire on the part of the detainees at Batu Gajah or any where else is a commendable one and I do hope that the Minister of Educa tion will bring this to the notice of the Director of the Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka and send them all the journals and other publications that source.

from that is aware Mr Speaker, Sir, I come to page 30, paragraph 54.
Here I asked the Minis ter of National and Rural Development to state whether he that National Language classes have not been started for the detainees at Batu Gajah although there is a great demand for such classes by the detainees.

Again, the reply is: "My Ministry is not aware of the great demand for National Language classes by the detainees at Batu Gajah.
I will make the necessary investigation and if there is justification for the establishment of such classes, every effort will be made to provide them".

Mr Speaker, Sir, I 2253 14 OCTOBER 1964 2254 that asked the standard of the difficulties—I do know the detainees have repeatedly asked the Camp Comman dant to provide them with such classes.

When I asked the Camp Commandant him, of "Why don't you get some of the Warders to teach them the National Language?
", I was told—and this may well surprise Members of the House— that the National Language of the detainees is far higher than that of the Warders, some of whom are Malays.

Consequently, the Camp Commandant confessed that these Warders are in no position to teach the detainees.

Consequently, I have written in and asked this question.
However, Sir, to be fair to the Govern ment, I have since then spoken to the Assistant Minister of National and Rural Development and he, as always in this matter, has been very helpful and I am very grateful for his assistance in this direction.
Mr Speaker, Sir, you will notice that I am always ready to give credit where credit is due (Laughter), and in this matter I do commend the responsible way of the Honourable the Assistant Minister of National and Rural Development, who has always been very kind and helpful to me on such matters.

is: "Detainees other Mr Speaker, Sir, I come to page 47, paragraph 89.
Here I asked the Minis ter of Home Affairs to state whether he would consider giving more time for the recreation of detainees instead of the one hour a day for three days a week.

The answer by the Honourable Minister than those in Stage 1 are allowed an hour each day or more depending upon the stages they are in.

Those in Stages 2 enjoy this privilege from 4 p.m. to 5 p.m. while those in Stage 3, from 4 p.m. till 6.30 p.m.

It is considered that these outdoor recreational hours are already adequate."
Mr Speaker, Sir, what was said to me at Batu Gajah, I am afraid, is at variance with what is contained in this reply.

I was told by the Camp Commandant that some of the detainees have been allowed out for recreation at 3.30 to 4.30.

Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, we all know that the sun is hottest during the day at about 2 p.m. and at 3.30 p.m. it is still very hot.

Before the war, there was a common saying that "Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun."
Here these detainees very often go out for recreational purposes during the hot hours of the day.

I do hope that the Minister will look into this and see that the recreational hours are so adjusted that they can be recreational and not a torture for the detainees.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I also come now to page 47, paragraph 90.
I asked the Minister of Home Affairs whether he would permit detainees extra time out of their dormitories instead of confining them to their cells for 13 hours daily from 6 p.m. to 7 a.m. each day.

The answer given is: "In camps, where physical barriers permit the segrega tion of detainees by their Stages, they are not locked up in their cells at all.
It is only where such segregation is impracticable that detainees are con fined to their cells from 6.30 p.m. till 7 a.m." Mr Speaker, again, here, the information that I got was that all the detainees are asked to either their dormitories or their cells by 6 p.m. and that they are let out at 6-7 a.m. Consequently, Mr Speaker, Sir, they are confined to barracks or to their cells or to their dormitories for 13 long hours.

I myself do not see—this is probably a refined way of torture—the necessity for it.
I do hope that the Minister of Home Affairs, who has always stated the welfare and interest of the people of this country at heart, whether they are detainees or not, would look into this matter and should try and curtail these hours of confinement.

that he has to go back Mr Speaker, Sir, I now come to page 33, Head S. 67G, Prisons, Sarawak, where we are asked to approve of $45,000 for the Detention Camp at Kuching.
Here I wish to draw the atten tion of this House to a Press report in the Straits Times of 29th August, 1964, but before I go to this Press report, Mr Speaker, Sir, it looks to me that if the Detention Camp at Kuching is to be enlarged, presumably, or extended with this sum of $45,000, where then is the necessity of flying over 50 detainees from Kuching.

Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, I have before me this Press cutting; it is headlined: "Cell 2255 14 OCTOBER 1964 2256 Death Detainee's Body Exhumed On Orders."
I read: that third degree methods will not be allowed to be used on the detainees.

"The body of a political detainee, Ong Geong Ing, who was found hanging in his cell in a Special Branch interrogation centre in Kuching on June 16, was exhumed by police before dawn today and examined by the Malaysian Government Pathologist, Dr T. Balasingham.

It was then reburied.

This was on the State Attorney-General, Mr P. E. H. Pike, accord ing to a Government statement today.
the orders of Mr Speaker, Sir, I now refer to page 36 of the Command Paper No.

29.

The Ministry of Sports and Youth and Culture is a new Ministry with a new Assistant Minister.

In the past, this Department has confined its activities to Government servants' sports and welfare.

He ordered the Coroner, Mr H. S. Daniell, into the death of to reopen Ong, alias Wong Yeung Ing.

the inquiry Mr Daniell last month reached an open inquest verdict on Ong's death after an which lasted a week.
He said then that there was so much doubt and uncertainty about Ong's death that he could not record a verdict of suicide.

Mr Daniell was assisted by the Assistant Attorney-General, Mr Tan Chiaw Thong, and Mr Stephen Yong, who represented the dead man's parents.

During the inquest attempts to get interro gators of the Special Branch to give evidence were blocked by Mr Tan, who said he had been instructed that as a matter of state security interrogators could not be identified or called to give evidence.
the Evidence was given that Ong had had a drink of alcohol shortly before his death.

Assistant Commissioner of Police, Mr Bob Smith, who was in charge of the investiga tion said everyone at the centre had denied giving Ong a drink and in his view one of them was lying.

The Coroner said in his summing up that police witnesses had lied during the inquest.

The medical evidence was that Ong had died as a result of a ligature applied to the neck.
But the medical officer in charge of the General Hospital, Dr and Dr Daniel Kok, who examined the body at the request of Mr Stephen Yong, both said that Ong's injuries did not seem to be con sistent with death by hanging from a strip of blanket with a very short drop.

J. Lauder, Both agreed that the fracture of the hyoid bone which Ong sustained was not usually caused by hanging.
The Coroner said the medical evidence 'heightens the mystery—evidence which in dicates that the hanging was most unlikely to have caused the fracture of the hyoid the hyoid bone was not bone—and fractured by hanging it fractured?

The answer is a mystery.'

" then how was if Mr Speaker, Sir, I hope that the Honourable the Minister for Home Affairs will look into this matter and punish the guilty ones.
Further, will he give an assurance to this House in rental this monthly the tallest building Mr Speaker, Sir, any new Ministry must have new accommodation; and this House should meet such commit ments.

In the Second Supplementary Estimates before us, the new Ministry of Sports has rented magnificent pre mises in the Federal Capital.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I consider of $2,512.80 is an exorbitant rent.
I know that large office space can be obtained in the First Floor of the new shop houses for about $250 a month.

If one shop house is not enough, then we can rent two shop houses.

I do know that there are offices vacant in the Selangor Mansions in the heart of Kuala Lum pur.

The Ministry could easily rent two offices i.e., Selangor Mansions, for about $500.

The P.A.P.

Headquarters is also in this building and if the Prime Minister of Singapore were here, he would support what I say.
this building, in Mr Speaker, Sir, this House would want to know why did the new Ministry of Sports choose the present building which is near Chow Kit Road, and decide to pay such a high rent and spend $5,000 on partitioning the office?

There are so many new offices nearer the centre of the town and nearer the bus terminals in Kuala Lumpur.

Why should this Ministry rent and pay such high rent for office space?
This House should want to know why no public tenders were called for renting office space for this Ministry.

Mr Speaker, Sir, if public tenders were called, better accommodation could have been obtained for the new Minis try in the centre of the town.
Mr Speaker, Sir, as I shall be speak ing at length on this Supplementary Budget in greater detail when we come to the Committee Stage, I shall now 2257 14 OCTOBER 1964 2258 end with a pious hope that the Minis ters concerned will reply to the queries that I have raised.

to like to reply The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, I would the Honourable Member on the subject that he has brought up just now in regard to the invitation to attend the British Election, which was recently sent to us.
It was, in fact, an invitation sent to the Alliance Party and, therefore, all expenses were paid for by the British Government.

We, in fact, instead of sending the members of our Party, have extended this invitation to Mr Ong Kee Hui.

The Government has nothing to do with this, and this is purely a party matter.

(Applause).

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Sir, may I point out to the Honourable Prime that I Minister that the information have got is at variance with what he has said.
I wrote to the British High Commissioner—and I do not wish to cause diplomatic rumpus because of this matter which I think is a trivial one—pointing out to him this matter and he said that his Government sent its invitation to the Alliance Govern ment and not to the Alliance Party.

I hope that there is a subtle difference between Alliance Party and Alliance Government.
Enche' Stephen Yong Kuet Tze the (Sarawak): Mr Speaker, Sir, Honourable Member from Batu has mentioned about the rather unsatisfac tory condition of the detention camp at Batu Gajah.

Yet we find that the Government has deemed it necessary to transfer some 50 detainees from Sarawak to this camp.
As can be seen from this Supplementary Budget, money has been spent on expansion of the detention camp and the remand cells in Kuching and we also gather from the Press that the reason for the transfer of these political detainees is because there is not sufficient room for for the accommodation these detainees.

Now I would like to ask, why can't the detention camp in Kuching be extended and why should these political detainees be sent to a place which was stated to be not at all satisfactory?
in Kuching against antagonistic to certain privileges Mr Speaker, Sir, may I say here that the decision to remove these political detainees from Sarawak to Batu Gajah has caused a lot of grave concern to the relatives of these people.
Whatever may be the necessity for this transfer, and for the deprivation of the freedom of these people because of their poli tical beliefs not being acceptable to the people in authority, I think the Govern ment must take into consideration the feelings of the relatives of these people.
After all, they are all sons of some parents and husbands of some women and naturally they have concern for the welfare and safety of these people; and if the Government were to ignore the feelings of these relatives, then I there will be more people think becoming the regime.

I believe, Sir, that there is an international Convention that all poli tical detainees, people who are being detained without trials, would be en titled including visits from the relatives from time to time.
I believe that the Preservation of Public Security Regulations in fact provide for the relatives of political detainees to make periodical visits to them.

Mr Speaker, Sir, when the detainees of Sarawak were detained in Kuching it was bad enough for some of the relatives who live in upcountry and outstations to make these visits and one can imagine the difficulties, and indeed the impossibility, of the relatives now for them to come to Batu to Gajah to make these visits.
And come all the way from Sarawak to Batu Gajah would mean great hard ships because the cost would be pro hibitive and the time taken will be so long that it would be quite impractic able.

Many of us from Sarawak would not know how to get to Batu Gajah, in fact.
So the provisions for visits in the Regulations would become empty words—empty I think the Government ought, having made the detainees to Batu Gajah from Kuching, to provide for proper facilities for mem bers of the families and relatives of the detainees to make visits at suitable intervals as provided for in the Regula tions.

Alternatively, I would suggest that as soon as the extension of the letters.
Therefore, the decision transfer to 2259 14 OCTOBER 1964 2260 detention camp in Kuching pleted, these detainees be back to Kuching.

is com transferred the Registrar-General.

Mr Speaker, Sir, in an earlier session of this House I have raised the question of the efficiency of the Departments which come under Federal Subjects.

So far, I am sorry to say, the efficiency has still not been improved.
Take the Office of Its functions are very complex and wide, but after it has been set up much work within its jurisdiction has been allowed to pile up with the result that much inconvenience is caused to the public and it leads to a lot of just criticism.
The Treasury Memorandum before us states that a sum of $160,000 is required for the the purpose of reorganising Office of Federal Secretary with a view to strengthening the functions of this Office and I hope that with this money and with the engagement of more staff the efficiency of the Departments coming under Federal Subjects will be improved and would be devoid of red tape and delay.
akan Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: berkenaan di-Pertua, Tuan Yang dengan Tambahan Perbelanjaan ini, saya suka hendak berchakap berkenaan dengan Head S. 14 ia-itu berkenaan dengan pertahanan.

Dalam Pertanyaan Bertulis, saya telah bertanya, ada-kah Kerajaan mempersenjatakan bekas2 S.C. dan Pasokan2 Keselamatan yang telah mempunyai pengalaman di- dalam perjuangan di-masa dharurat dahulu?
Jawab yang datang ia-lah, Undang2 Kerahan Tenaga Ra'ayat ini tidak-lah di-tentukan kapada sa-siapa, erti-nya barang siapa yang mempunyai sharat2, boleh-lah masok berkhidmat di-dalam perkhidmatan itu.
Apa yang saya hendak menarek perhatian di-sini ia-lah, kalau-lah negara kita ini benar2 merasa dan bahaya confrontasi daripada luar itu sudah hampir benar dengan terbukti- nya pendaratan di-Melaka dan Pontian dan payong terjun di-Labis itu, saya berpendapat bahawa bekas2 Pasokan Keselamatan, walau apa chawangan sa-kali pun yang sudah mempunyai pengalaman dalam hal ini, patut-lah di-persenjatakan daripada kita meng- ambil orang2 baharu yang berhajat kechemasan di-dalam dengan masa yang panjang untok melateh-nya.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pengalaman mengajar kita dalam masa dharurat dahulu ia-itu banyak-lah S.C. kita telah tewas dalam perjuangan dalam hutan, dan bagitu juga bagi pehak polis biasa—regular police, ia-lah kerana kita tidak mempunyai pengalaman di-dalam hal yang sa-macham itu.
Jadi, Tuan daripada Yang tangisan2 dan rayuan2 yang di-buat oleh bekas2 Pasokan Keselamatan yang berkenaan itu di-mana pada hari ini kita bacha dalam surat khabar Utusan Melayu, saya rasa dengan jalan mem persenjatakan sa-mula orang2 ini, lebeh chepat lagi kita bergerak ka-hadapan daripada kita mengambil orang2 baharu.
di-Pertua, sa-lain daripada confrontasi Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya perchaya bahawa Kerajaan Perikatan, terutama policy lemah lembut yang di-buat oleh Tunku Perdana Menteri kita, sa-olah2 kita ini merayu kapada dunia berkenaan dengan Indonesia yang baharu ini, ia-itu do'a kita sa-bagai satu bangsa yang bertamaddun ini lebeh berkehendakkan kapada keaman- an berkehendakkan kita kapada kemenangan, erti-nya "most of our prayer is to ask for peace, not for victory".
Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada dua tiga perkara yang berbangkit dalam surat khabar yang saya tidak tahu sama ada benar, atau pun tidak bahawa ia-itu Perdana Menteri kita sa-bagai berkata, apabila berlaku serangan pencheroboh- an di-suatu tempat dalam wilayah kita, maka kita berkata-lah serangan itu tidak patut dan kita pun mempunyai maruah untok menjaga negara kita.
Dalam dua tiga hari pula, lagi satu serangan di-kenakan, berkata-lah pula— serangan itu tidak patut, kita mem punyai' sahabat2 yang membantu kita.

Jadi, dalam kita mempunyai maruah, dalam ada sahabat, dalam sa'at itu orang yang menyerang kita tadi sudah sampai ka-Pontian.

Jadi, di-tujukan di- tempat2 yang ada hubongan darah- daging di-Muar, di-situ, macham umpama-nya.
di-sebutkan di-situ Jadi, ini saya teringat-lah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, satu cherita defence dalam Kerajaan Johar, dalam cherita 2261 14 OCTOBER 1964 2262 "Alflaila Walaila".

Dia terlampau berani sa-hingga dia masok dalam satu kawasan orang lain.

Dia sembahyang tiba2 dia keluar di-sabuah masjid, ternampak kasut-nya telah di-churi orang.

Kemudian dia pun membuka baju dan menyingsing lengan dan berkata, 'jemaah di-sini, berikan balek kasut aku ini, jikalau tidak .

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, dia tidak sebutkan apa-kah langkah yang akan di-buat-nya, tetapi—' .

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jikalau tidak, jikalau tidak .

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;' lama2 orang itu pun takut lalu memberikan balek, dan sa-orang pergi bertanya, 'Apa-kah kamu akan bertindak, kalau sa-kira-nya kamu tidak di-beri balek kasut itu?'

Jadi, Johar pun menjawab, 'Jikalau orang ta' mahu berikan balek kasut itu, aku beli lain-lah'.
ini ini terlampau timbul pula Jadi, ini juga, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita sangat berhajat kapada "peace" daripada "victory", maka ini-lah kita telah di-serang musoh dan baharu2 satu perkara lagi bahawa pintu perundingan dengan Chin Peng di-buka balek sa- lebeh ganas-lah mula, maka akan orang2 yang menyerang kita itu me- mandangkan kapada policy pertahanan kita yang saya tidak tahu, barangkali ada sa-suatu di-sabalek satu policy luar negeri yang tentu-lah saya tidak tahu perkara itu, tetapi menimbulkan sa- suatu perkara yang susah bagi ra'ayat ini memikirkan yang hendak menumpu- kan tenaga untok perjuangan yang sa- benar-nya dalam masaalah ini.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya teringat lagi pada satu masa Tunku Perdana Menteri kita berjanji akan memberi tanah untok di-kuborkan bagi orang2 yang tewas di-Sabah dan wilayah2 kita di-sabelah sana ia-itu untok perajurit2 kita.
Jadi, dalam masaalah ini, saya rasa biasa-nya Perdana Menteri kita bila dia kata dia buat, dan saya harap perkara ia-itu di- ambil-lah sadikit sa-banyak daripada tambahan yang kita belikan kerusi2 Menteri dan alat2 rumah itu untok membeli tanah untok di-jadikan kubor tentera2 kita yang menjadi kapada korban maut untok menjaga kedudokan Menteri2 kita dalam zaman confrontasi ini.
Maka saya lebeh sangat memandang ini, sebab segala masaalah defence ini di-buat juga lain yang patut-lah pembangunan kita kita tumpukan kapada defence lebeh banyak daripada kerja2 dalam masaalah kita meminta tambahan ini, sebab tambahan untok perbelanjaan biasa itu boleh kita masokkan ka-dalam Budget Meeting, tetapi ini ada-lah "as a matter of opinion", yang tentu-lah saya rasa berlainan dengan pehak Kerajaan.
yang terangkan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sa-kali tidak dapat lagi, oleh kerana saya berchakap tadi dalam committee stage, saya minta-lah kapada Kerajaan tolong- sa-benar-nya lah bahawa ada-kah pehak Kerajaan ini menyokong dan menyertai satu state ment yang di-buat oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat di-sini bahawa mereka itu pegawai2 berterima Kerajaan yang menolak orang2 PAS ini di-ambil supaya di-jadikan anggota2 Pasokan Keselamatan ini.
Saya bim- bang, kalau-lah ini betul dan di-sertai oleh Kerajaan, pehak Pembangkang ini tertipu-lah yang kami rasa hendak bekerjasama dengan pehak Kerajaan tiba2 rupa-nya yang sa-benar- nya tidak di-terima kami.
jadi kami kapada kaseh Jadi, ini akan berlawanan-lah dengan uchapan2 yang di-serukan oleh ketua2 parti ini, dan saya suka memberi tahu kapada Tuan Yang di-Pertua bahawa boleh jadi satu langkah yang belum di-buat lagi di-tempat2 lain—kalau di- buat pun saya tidak tahu—ia-itu di- kawasan saya di-Bachok, OCPD., D.O.

di-situ dan Pegawai2 Penerangan ber- sama2 saya sa-kali telah mula mengada- kan di-katakan Ra'ayat Menghadapi "Perpaduan Konfrantasi".
Di-masa itu tiap2 pehak memberikan pandangan2 dari segi Polis, dari segi D.O.

dan saya sa-bagai wakil ra'ayat menyeru orang2 itu melupakan masaalah parti supaya kita menentang satu common FOE terhadap kita.

Tiba2 terkejut-nya saya datang dalam Rumah yang mulia ini rupa2-nya tidak di-terima khidmat2 yang sa-umpama itu.
satu perhimpunan rasa Saya kalau-lah Kerajaan mempunyai attitude sa-macham ini, tidak payah menunggu tahun 1969 ini untok mengalahkan saya dan kalau sa-kira-nya Kerajaan betul2 menyedia- itu kan statement yang sa-macham 2263 14 OCTOBER 1964 2264 tidak tetapi boleh jadi saya meletakkan jawatan-lah ini, daripada menjadi Ahli Parlimen sa-kali pun saya tahu ada kawan2 saya mencheritakan gaji Ahli Parlimen ini akan bertambah ada ma'ana, Tuan Pengerusi, saya berjuang sa-bagai Member of Parliament hendak rupa2- bekerjasama dengan Kerajaan nya tidak di-terima penghargaan itu dan akan sia2-lah voters bagi PMIP yang sa-banyak 300,000 itu.
Jadi bagi pehak saya dan ketua2 PAS ini amat-lah susah hati dan saya perchaya Yang Berhormat Perdana Menteri kita tentu- sadikit sa- lah dapat menerangkan banyak kedudokan ini kerana dia ada-lah sa-bagai Bapak Malaysia.

Dan kalau dia itu hendak ka-mana pula orang2 ini, kalau hendak di-masokkan ka-dalam Camp Batu Gajah itu akan bertambah lagi banyak perbelanjaan-nya dan boleh jadi tiap2 minggu Menteri Kewangan untok akan meminta perbelanjaan orang2 PAS membelanjakan yang 300,000 itu.
tolak 300,000 orang Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berkenaan dengan Prison.

Saya maseh teringat lagi Menteri Yang Berhormat dahulu bila saya tegor sadikit berkenaan dengan ini, dia mempersilakan saya masok ka- dalam jail itu.

Jadi, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, satu perkara yang saya hendak memberi tahu kapada Dewan ini ia-itu di-antara perkara2 saya benchi sa-kali dalam dunia ini ia-lah masok jail tetapi macham mana-kah Menteri kita itu ajak saya masok di-situ barangkali sedap masok dalam jail itu.
Jadi mem- perbesarkan lagi masaalah jail ini ber sa-makin lagi pegawai-nya tambah banyak makanan-nya, sa-makin banyak gaji-nya dan saya rasa kalau orang2 yang di-tahan itu betul politician boleh- lah kita tahan mereka itu di-rumah dan itu bukan politician kalau mereka tetapi sa-bagai pengachau sahaja boleh- lah kita membawa mereka ka-Mahka- mah supaya mereka dapat hukuman yang sa-wajar-nya.
Kalau mereka itu di-fikirkan patut di-buang negeri, kita boleh depot, kita boleh banish mereka itu daripada negeri ini, dengan demi- kian tidak-lah kita menanggong per belanjaan2 yang banyak saperti mana yang kita tanggong sekarang ini.
Masaalah sebab dia ini sa-bagai-lah dengan Mohamed dengan anak-nya Salim yang tidor satu kelambu; ma'af, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak mencheritakan, yang anak ini selalu sangat, malang-nya, suka kentut dan bapa-nya suka-lah dia tidor bersama dalam kelambu tidak tetapi terpaksa—kerana anak-nya dudok sama dia, tidak kata apa2.

Pada satu hari anak itu marah kapada bapa-nya, kata-nya, "kalau macham ini aku tidak mahu tidor-lah dengan bapa".
Bapa-nya kata, "alhamdu lillah selamat-lah aku daripada kentut kamu dalam kelambu itu".

Jadi, kita, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, masaalah ini daripada kita, membawa banyak sangat perbelanjaan sa-hingga negeri kita ini menjadi Police State; perbelanjaan untok secret entah berapa ratus ribu- kah, jadi lama2 yang kita kata "must pray for peace, not for victory" ini— ketakutan telah berganti dengan peace yang kita harap2 dalam dada.
Saya perchaya satu2 negara umat yang civilize—yang tamaddun ini berasas-nya lebeh kapada ketenteraman banyak daripada berasaskan kapada Undang2 kekuatan sahaja.

Jadi, ini ada-lah mustahak, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, untok mendapat perhatian ber kenaan dengan defence kita di-masa emergency yang sa-macham ini.
jiwa itu itu tetapi pada Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada lagi satu yang susah berkenaan dengan defence ini ia-itu sa-telah kita pergi kapada Bangsa2 Bersatu dan kita telah mem bawa hujah2 yang chukup kuat dan kita di-sini pun merasa apabila kembali- nya Menteri kita itu akan membawa akhir-nya kemenangan, alang-kah sedeh-nya ruling yang di- buat oleh Majlis Bangsa2 Bersatu itu ia-itu terpaksa pula Menteri kita ber- kata, tidak berhasil maka berhak-lah kita mempertahankan negara kita ini".
Jadi ada-kah berhak mem ini belum pertahankan negara kita daripada itu atau pun daripada asal-nya.

Jadi ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, membiakkan lagi—sa-makin banyak masok orang2 pencherobohan itu ka-dalam negeri kita.
ruling Majlis Security "kalau Tuan Yang di-Pertua, untok meng- akhiri rayuan saya dalam masaalah 2265 14 OCTOBER 1964 2266 ini; sahabat defence ini, saya suka-lah memberi tahu, tidak ada kepentingan diri saya sendiri atau pada parti saya berkenaan dengan orang2 Indonesia yang di- chakapkan oleh sa-tengah saudara2 kita di-dalam Dewan saya Menteri Pengangkutan pun tahu saya bukan orang Jawa, saya orang Melayu.
Kalau ada Setia-usaha Agong UMNO pun dia tahu saya bukan orang Hadzra- ini, maut, saya orang Melayu.

Jadi Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak-lah 'adil dan tidak patut-lah pada masa yang sa-macham ini kita menidakkan energy dan forces parti lawan kita dalam menghadapi masaalah national yang besar saperti ini.

Sama-lah juga cherita yang kita dapat melihat paling rendah ini sa-kali calibre-nya tidak tinggi.
Kita tengok empat ekor anjing dalam satu kampong hari2 bergadoh bising hendak tidor pun tidak boleh tetapi apabila datang anjing luar, keempat2 anjing itu memburu anjing yang baharu datang itu.

Jadi masaalah ini untok menghadapi com mon foe kalau kita bacha falsafah tinggi pun kalah kita tentang anjing tadi, ini sudah terbukti dalam Parlimen kita yang menunjokkan Parlimen kita rendah dignity-nya dari segi perpaduan national, sekian-lah, Tuan Yang di- Pertua.
ia-itu sebab orang PAS saperti apa yang Dato9 Abdullah bin Abdulrahman (Kuala Trengganu Selatan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, baharu sa-kejap tadi kita telah dengar kechaman yang hebat daripada Ahli Yang Berhormat dari kawasan Batu terhadap Yang Berhor mat2 Menteri kita dan Menteri2 Muda kerana bertanggong-jawab membuat ter perbelanjaan kandong di-dalam Bill yang ada di- ini.
Saya hadapan kita pada hari nampak Ahli Yang Berhormat itu sekarang ini berkehendakkan Kerajaan tiap2 satu sen wang membelanjakan untok melawan konfrantasi yang ada pada hari ini.

Saya rasa sangat-lah tidak 'adil bagi Ahli Yang Berhormat itu melemparkan kechaman2 saperti terhadap yang perbelanjaan2 yang di-buat oleh Yang Berhormat2 Menteri dan Menteri2 Muda yang berkenaan.
Kita dapat perhati Tuan Yang di-Pertua, per belanjaan2 yang di-buat itu banyak telah beliau katakan yang mengenai' kepentingan dan faedah ra'ayat yang ada di-negeri ini.

Walau ini kita pun pada masa sekarang menghadapi konfrantasi dari Indonesia tetapi bukan-lah berma'ana, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita patut berhentikan segala perbelanjaan2 yang mengenai pembangunan dan kemajuan untok ra'ayat semua.
tanggongan2 dan Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Batu juga telah bergadoh dan telah mengecham kerana ada sa-tengah2 perbelanjaan di- belanjakan untok pejabat2 dan alat2 rumah bagi Menteri atau pun Penolong Menteri.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tiap2 sa-orang pegawai Kerajaan termasok tiap2 sa-orang Menteri, patut-lah di- berikan kemudahan2; patut-lah di-beri rumah yang sempurna supaya dapat tugas2 menjalankan yang sempurna, bagi faedah kita semua dan juga bagi faedah ra'ayat jelata di- negeri Malaysia ini.
Kalau kita selidek dengan teliti, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perbelanjaan yang telah di-buat saperti yang ini mengenai banyak chabangan perkhid- matan banyak awam, mengenai faedah2 bukan sahaja untok memberi bantuan kapada kemajuan ra'ayat, bahkan juga untok melawan konfran tasi.

Saya bimbang, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, kalau kita chuba menahan Kerajaan daripada membelanjakan wang saperti yang telah di-belanjakan itu, ra'ayat di-dalam negeri ini akan senang lagi akan chepat di-pengarohi oleh musoh kita Indonesia.
Dari sebab itu saya berpendapat sudah-lah kena tempat-nya Kerajaan membuat pada perbelanjaan saperti apa yang ada terkandong di-dalam Bill di-hadapan kita ini.

dalam Bill terkandong itu-lah telah buat ini Kerajaan lebeh dan patut Saya perchaya juga, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, di-dalam membuat perbelan jaan satu ukoran ia-itu oleh kerana ada wang di-belanja yang kan, maka di-belanjakan.
Sakian-lah sahaja, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, pada akhir-nya saya menegas- ini kan walau pun kita pada masa sedang menghadapi konfrantasi, tidak- lah patut kita di-samping menahan diri melawan konfrantasi, tidak mem buat apa2 yang berupa pembangunan dan berupa kemajuan untok ra'ayat 2267 14 OCTOBER 1964 2268 kita semua.

Sakian-lah, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, Terima kaseh.

juta Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman (Seberang Tengah): Tuan Yang di- Pertua, nampak-nya Kerajaan yang memerentah pada hari ini serba salah.
telah Sa-malam baharu sahaja kita ringgit meluluskan hampir 23 ini kita untok pembangunan, hari sedang membahathkan bagaimana dengan peruntokan sa-banyak hampir2 180 juta ringgit lagi.

Di-antara parti pehak pembangkang ada yang mengata- kan wang peruntokan itu tidak men- chukupi untok pertahanan, ada di- antara parti2 yang lain pula mengata- di-gunakan terlampau banyak kan untok perkara2 yang mustahak.

Indonesia, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau kita semak Bill D.R.

16 atau pun Cmd.
16 atau pun Cmd.

Paper 29, hampir2 25 juta ringgit di- untokkan untok pertahanan, dan 155 juta ringgit lagi di-untokkan kapada Contribution Statutory Fund.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, boleh di-katakan hari ini seluroh mata dunia di-tumpukan kapada Malaysia dan Indonesia, kerana pencherobohan patut-lah tiap2 Ahli Yang Berhormat dalam Dewan tahniah ini menguchapkan kapada Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri, merangkap Menteri telah memainkan Pertahanan yang peranan tinggi, di-sanjong peranan yang amat penting sa-hingga dapat mempengarohi hampir2 seluroh dunia bersempati kapada Malaysia.
Dan juga saya menguchapkan terima kaseh kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri Dalam Negeri, dan kapada Majlis Kese- lamatan Bangsa2 Bersatu kerana dapat mempengarohi 9 daripada 11 negara dalam Majlis Keselamatan itu, dan patut-lah saya rasa Kerajaan mengam- bil perhatian berat kapada negara Czechoslovakia yang telah bersempati yang dengan Russia, dan patut Kerajaan untok membaikotkan menganjorkan barang2 Czechoslovakia ada dalam Malaysia ini.
yang tidak izinkan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-Cairo juga dengan buku yang kechil itu ia-itu "Indonesia Involment" dapat juga kita mempengarohi negara2 yang berke- chuali di-Cairo.

Oleh sebab masa ini masa dharurat dan negara kita sedang terancham, saya hendak berchakap ber- kenaan dengan hal ehwal luar negeri.
Chita2 dan keazaman Indonesia hendak mengganyang Malaysia ini, saya rasa kalau Tuhan tentu-lah Indonesia tidak dapat ganyang, oleh sebab Tanah Melayu atau pendudok2 Malaysia ini bukan kachang puteh boleh di-ganyang dan boleh di-genyeh, tetapi pendudok2 Malaysia ini darah- nya merah berketurunan Hang Tuah.
Jadi kita tahu Bong Karno selalu ber- kokok di-masa Irian Barat dahulu dan hendak menawan Irian Barat sa-belum ayam berkokok, tetapi nampak-nya sampai anak bapa ayam itu berkokok lagi di-tawan, sa- pun belum dapat hingga champor tangan Malaysia ia-itu Tunku Yang Teramat Mulia, dan juga Bangsa2 Bersatu.

Dalam soal hal ehwal luar negeri ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, suka hendak berchakap ber- saya kenaan dengan penerangan di-luar negeri.
Saya sunggoh rasa dukachita oleh sebab banyak wartawan2 asing bukan wartawan2 tempatan sa-bagai Danis Bloodsworth, Alex Josey, dan John Stubb dan itu beberapa majallah dan surat2 khabar saperti The Australian, Time Magazine, Scots men, dan lain2 semua-nya itu sa-mata2 mengelirukan dunia.

lepas Mr Speaker: Order, order, the time is up.

The meeting is adjourned until 10 a.m. tomorrow.

Adjourned 6.30 p.m.