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Volume III No.4 Monday 14th August, 1961 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DEWAN NEGARA (SENATE) OFFICIAL REPORT CONTENTS ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 223] ANNOUNCEMENTS BY Mr. PRESIDENT- Messages from the House of Representatives [Col. 226] BILL PRESENTED [Col. 232] BILLS- The Kidnapping Bill [Col. 229] The Federation of Malaya Red Cross Society (Incorporation) Bill rcoJ.
232] The Redemptorist Fathers (Incorporation) Bill [Col. 243] The State Legislatures (Incorporation) Bill [Col. 243] The Loan (Local) Amendment Bill [Col. 245] The Excise Bill [Col. 246] The Financial Procedure (Amendment) Bill [Col. 254) The Second-Hand Dealers (Amendment) Bill [Col. 258) The Appraisers (Extension to Perlis) Bill [Col. 259) The Tropical Fish Culture Research Institute Bill [Col. 260] The Advocates and Solicitors (Amendment) Bill [Col. 265) The Weekly Holidays (Amendment) Bill [Col. 268] The War Risks (Goods) Insurance Fund (Windina·Up) Bill [Col. 270) The Employment (Amendment) Bill [Col. 272) The Disposal of Public Funds (State of Penang) Bill [Col. 275) ADJOURNMENT S/l'-wE DIE WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 277) (MOTION) [Col. 245) DI-TERBITKAN OLEH THOk BENG CHONG PEMANGKU PENCHETAJt KERAJAAN PERSEk.UTUAN TANAH MELAYU 1962 FEDERATION OF MALAY A DEWAN NEGARA (SENATE) Official Report Vol.
III Third Ses~ion of the First Dewan Negara No.4 Monday, 14th August, 1961 The Senate met at Ten o'clock a.m.

PRESENT: The Honourable Mr. President, DATO' HAn ABDUL RAHMAN BIN MOHAMED YASIN, S.P.M.J., P.I.S;, J.P. (Johor).

the Minister of Justice, TuN LEONG YEW KoH, s.M.N.

(Appointed).

TuAN HAn ABBAS BIN HAn MoHAMED (Trengganu).

ENCHE' ABDUL HAMID BIN MAHMUD, J.M.N.

(Appointed).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN SAID, A.M.N.

(Perak).

ENCHE' A. M. ABu BAKAR, J.M.N.

(Appointed).

ENCHE' ABDULLAH BIN ISHAK (Perlis).


ENCHE' ABDUL WAHAB BIN Ious, P.J.K.

(Negri Sembilan).

ENCHE' AMALUDDIN BIN DARUS (Kelantan).

EHCHE' CHAN KwoNG HoN, A.M.N., J.P. (Selangor).

ENCHE' CHEAH SENG KHIM, J.P. (Penang).

DAm' DR. CHEAH TooN LoK, J.M.N., J.P., Dato' Maha Kurnia (Appointed).

ENCHE' CHOO KoK LEONG (Appointed).

DKro' J. E. S. CRAWFORD, J.M.N., J.P., Dato' Kurnia Indera (Appointed).

ENCHE' DA ABDUL JALIL BIN HAJI AWANG (Trengganu).

ENCHE' HASHIM BIN AWANG, J.P. (Penang).


ENCHE' KOH KIM LENG (Melaka).

0ATO' LEE FOONG YEE, J.M.N., P.P.T., J.P. (Negri Sembilan).

ENCHE' LIM HEE HONG, A.M.N.

(Appointed).

ENCHE' MoHO.

SALLER BIN MoHAMED ARIFF (Melaka).

ENCHE' MoHO.

ZAHIR BIN HAn IsMAIL (Kedah).

ENGKu MuHSEIN BIN ABDUL KADIR, J.Mx, P.J.K.

(Appointed).

· · ENCHE' ATHI NAHAPPAN (Appointed).

ENcHE' S. P. S. NATHAN (Appointed).

ENCHE' NIK HASSAN .BIN HAn NIK y AHYA, J.M.N.

(Appointed).

TUAN HAJJ NIK MOHO.


ADEEB BIN HAJI NIK MOHAMED (Kelantan).

223 14 AUGUST 1961 224 The Honourable ToK PANGKU PANDAK HAMID BIN PuTEH JALI, P.J.K.

(Appointed).

RAJA RASTAM SHAHROME BIN RAJA SAID TAUPHY (Selangor).

DATO' SHEIJ..H ABU BAKAR BIN YAHYA, D.P.M.J., P.I.S., J.P. (Johor). "

DATO' G. SHELLEY, P.M.N., J.P. (Appointed).

TuAN SYED AHMAD BiN SYED MAHMUD SHAHABUDIN, J.M.N.

(Kedah).

ENCHE' T. H. TAN, J.M.N.

(Appointed).

DATO' E. E. C. THURAISINGHAM, D.P.M.J., J.P. (Appointed).
ENCHE' S. 0.

K. UBAIDULLAH (Appointed).

ENcHE' WAN AHMAD BIN WAN DAUD, P.J.K., J.P. (Perlis).

ENCHE' YAP KHEN VAN, A.M.N., J.P. (Pahang).

ENCHE' YEOH KlAN TEIK (Perak).

ABSENT: The Honourable DATO' WAN IBRAHIM BIN WAN TANJONG, J.M.N., P.J.K., Orang Kaya Indera Maharaja Purba Jelai (Pahang).

IN ATTENDANCE: The Honourable the Minister of Finance, ENcHE' TAN SIEW SIN, J.P. (Melaka Tengah).

the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, ENCHE' ABDUL AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Kuala Langat).
the Minister of Health and Social Welfare, DATo' ONG YOKE LIN, P.M.N.

(Ulu Selangor).

the Assistant Minister of Labour, ENCHE' V. MANICKA VASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K.

(Klang).

the Assistant Minister of the Interior, ENCHE' MoHAMED ISMAIL BIN MoHAMED YUSOF (J erai).

PRAYERS (Mr. President in the Chair) ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS Use of Sodal and Welfare Lottery Board Funds for Islamic religiou11 purposes 1.
Enche' Da Abdul Jalil bin Haji Awang asks the Minister of Health and Social Welfare to state the authority which enables the funds of the Social and Welfare Lottery Board to be used 'for Islamic religious purposes, such as the building of mosques.

The Minister of Health and Social Welfjp'e (Dato' Ong Yoke Lin): Mr. President, Sir, in exercise of the powers conferred by sub-section (2) of section 7 of the Social and Welfare Services Lotteries Board Ordinance, No.
9 of 1950, the Minister makes orders where by the Board is permitted to apply the funds raised towards certain schemes.

The building, including the repair, of mosques falls within the scope of these orders.

Enche' Da Abdul Jalil bin Haji Awang: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak kah memberi wang loteri Kebajikan Masharakat itu kerana memberi kapada ugama itu menyalahi Fasal 2 Undang2 64, 1950?

.

225 14 AUGUST 1961 226 Dato' Ong Yoke Lin: I didn't get the question, Sir.
Enche' Da Abdul Jalil bin Haji Awang: Tidak-kah pemberian bantuan wang loteri bagi memperbaiki Masjid dan lain2 bangunan ugama itu men yalahi Undang2 yang saya .sebutkan itu, kerana undang2 itu menyatakan- "It is hereby declared that nothing contained in the Social and Welfare Services Lotteries Board Ordinance, 1950, ot any rule, regulation or order made thereunder shall be deemed to require any Muslim to do any act contrary to his religion."

Dato' Ong Yoke Lin: Which section?


Enche' Da Abdul Jalil bin Haji Awang: Section 2 of the Social and Welfare Services Lotteries Board (Clarification) Ordinance, No.

64 of 1950.

Dato' Ong Yoke Lin: That is another I haven't got the Ordinance question.

here.

Mr. President: (To Enche' Da Abdul Jalil) You should give notive.

Ranchangan Menyuborkan Tanah di-Trengganu 2.


Enche' Da Abdul Jalil bin Haji Awang bertanya kapada Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama ada kah apa2 ranchangan Kerajaan bagi menghidupkan bumi yang mati di-sa panjang jalan dari Marang, Trengganu, sampai ka-Dungun, Trengganu?

The Minister of Agriculture aad Co-operative (Enche' Abdul Aziz bin Ishak): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada masa ini tidak ada lagi satu2 ranchangan berkenaan dengan menghidupkan tanah sa-panjang jalan · dari Marang ka-Dungun.
Ranchangan Kerajaan ia-lah mendirikan satu Persekutuan Pusat Penyelidekan 31 batu ka-Selatan Marang.

Pusat ini ia-lah bagi men yelideki chara2 menggunakan tanah beris yang sa-masa.

ini hanya di-biar tanam2-an atau pun menghidupkan yang jauh dari subor.

·ANNOUNCEMENT BY MR. PRESIDENT MESSAGES FROM THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATTVES Mr. President: AhJi2 Yang Ber hormat saya hendak mema'alumkan kapada Majlis ini ia-itu saya telah menerima satu perutusan daripada Dewan Ra'ayat.
Saya akan meminta Setia-Usaha Majlis ini membachakan nya.
(The Clerk reads the Message) "Mr. President, The House of Representatives has passed the following Bills: (1) to amend the Second-Hand Dealers Ordinance, 1946, (2) to extend the Appraisers Enactment of the Federated Malay States to the State of Perlis, (3) to amend the Loan (Local) Ordi nance, 1959, (4) to provide for the establishment of the Tropical Fish Culture Research Institute at Batu Berendam in the State of Malacca, in corporation of the Board of Management thereof and for mat ters incidental thereto, the for (5) to amend and consolidate the law relating to excise, (6) to amend the Advocates Solicitors Ordinance, 194 7, and (7) to amend the Financial Procedure Ordinance, 1957, (8) to amend the Weekly Holidays Ordinance, 1950, (9) to provide for the winding-up of the War Risks (Goods) Insurance Fund, (10) to amend the Employment Ordinance, 1955, for (11) to provide the winding-up, administration and disposal of certain public funds known as the Sir Henry Gurnev Memorial Fund, the Queen's Hall Fund and the Merdeka Celebrations Fund, established in the State of Penang and for matters incidental thereto, and transmit them to the Senate for its concurrence.
Speaker."

227 14 AUGUST 1961 228 Mr. President: Honourable Mem bers, in this Message from the House of Representatives to the Senate there are 11 Bills, 3 Money Bills and 8 non Money Bills.

Standing Order 66 (2) provides that a non-Money Bill may be read a second time only after five days or more from the date of the notice of the second reading of the Bill.
The proviso to Standing Order 66 (2), however, says that "the President may, if he is satisfied upon representation to him by a Minister that the public interest so requires, permit any Bill to be read a second time without such period of five days."

The Honourable the Minister of Justice has asked for my permission, under this proviso, to allow these 8 non-Money Bills con tained in the Message to be read a second time without such period of five days.

I have accordingly given the permission.
The Minister of Justice (Tun Leong Yew Koh): Mr. President, Sir, I beg to the give notice second and third readings of the follow ing Bills today:- that I shall move (1) The Loan (Local) (Amendment) Bill (2) The Excise Bill (3) The Financial Procedure (Amend ment) Bill (4) The Second-Hand Dealers (Amend ment) Bill (5) The Appraisers (Extension to Perlis) Bill (6) The Tropical Fish Culture Research Institute Bill (7) The Advocates (Amendment) Bill and Solicitors (8) The Weekly Holidays (Amendment) Bill (9) The War Risks (Goods) Insurance Fund (Winding-Up) Bill (10) The Employment (Amendment) Bill (11) The Disposal of Public Funds (State of Penang) Bill.
Mr. President: Ahli2 Yang Berhor saya hendak mema'alumkan mat lagi telah menerima ia-itu perutusan yang kedua daripada Dewan Ra'ayat kapada Dewan Nagara.

Saya akan meminta Setia-Usaha Dewan ini membachakan-nya.

saya Message from Representatives to the Senate.

the House of · "Mr. President, The House of Representatives has agreed to the Bill to amend the Election Offences Ordinance, 1954, without amendment.

Speaker."
Speaker."

saya Mr. President: Ahli2 Yang Berhor saya hendak mema'alumkan mat lagi telah menerima ia-itu perutusan yang ketiga kapada Dewan Negara ini.

Saya minta Setia-Usaha Dewan ini membachakan-nya.

from Representatives to the Senate.
the House Message of "Mr. President, The House of Representatives has agreed to the bill 'to provide for the detection and punishment of the offences of abduction, wrongful restraint and wrongful confinement for ransom and other related offences and for matters incidental thereto', with amendments; the concurrence of the Senate to the following amendments which it has made to the said bill- it desires (l) Clause 2: Insertion of the following new definition after the definition of 'book'; 'ransom' means any money, price or consideration paid or demanded for the release of a person abducted or wrongfully confined or wrongfully restrained.
(2) Clause 3 (2): Insertion of the following words immediately after the words 'of this section,' appearing the penultimate line: in 'or with abetment of any such offence,' (3) Clause 5: Deletion of the words 'for the release of any person who has been wrongfully confined or wrongfully restrained' appearing in lines 2 to 4 of sub-section (1) and lines 3 and 4 of sub-section (2).

(4) Clause 6 (1): Deletion of the words 'for the release of any person' appearing in lines 2 and 3 thereof.
14 AUGUST 1961 230 229 (5) Clause 15: Addition of the following new sub-section after sub-section (3): '(4).

For the purposes of this section 'offence under this Act' means- (i) an offence punishable under sub-section (1) of section 3 or under section 4, 5 or 9; (ii) any of the offences referred to in sub-section (2) of section 3; (iii) any conspiracy to commit, or an attempt to commit, or an abetment of, any of the offences specified in paragraphs (i) and (ii).'
(6) Clause 15 (2) and (3): Insertion of the words 'under this Act' after the word 'offence' appearing in line two of each of these sub-sections.

2.

A copy of the said bill as amended, duly endorsed by the Oerk to the House of Representatives, is forwarded with this Message.

Speaker."
THE KIDNAPPING BILL Amendments of the House of Representatives (MOTION) Mr. President: Honourable Senators, I wish to draw your attention to the provision of Standing Order 67 (1) which says:- "At any time after a Message from the House of Representatives agreeing to a Bill with one or more amendments has been read, the Senator who was in charge of the Bill in the Senate may, by notifying the Clerk at the Table, name a day (not being less than five clear days from the day on which such notice was given) for the House of consideration of the Representatives' amendments: Provided that if the President is satisfied that any amendments made by the House of Repn;sentatives to a Bill are either draft ing amendments or carry out the intention of the Senate and are not numerous, he shall so inform the Senate, and the Senate may order such amendments to be con sidered forthwith."
After due consideration, I am satisfied that these amendments made by the Dewan Ra'ayat carry out the intention of the Senate and ·are not numerous, and accordingly, the Senate may order that these amendments be considered forthwith.

Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. PreSident, Sir, I beg to move, That the amendments of the House of Representatives be considered by the Senate forthwith.

Enche' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to second.

Question put, and agreed to.

Amendment No.


1-Clause 2: To insert the following new definition after the definition of "book": "'ransom' means any money, ·price or consideration paid or demanded for the release of a person abducted or wrongfully confined or wrongfully restrained;".

Tun Leong Yew Koh: Sir, I beg to the Senate agrees with move amendment No.

1 made by the House of Representatives.

that Enche' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to second.

Question put, and agreed to.

Amendment No.


2-Clause 3 (2): To insert the following words im mediately after the words "of this section," appearing in the penultimate line: "or with abetment of any such offence,".

Tun Leong Yew Koh: Sir, I beg to the Senate agrees with move amendment No.

2 made by the House of Representatives.

that Enche' T. Ii.

Tan: Sir, I beg to second.

Question put, and agreed to.

Amendment No.


3-Clause 5: To delete the words "for the release of any person who has been wrongfully confined or wrongfully restrained" appearing in lines 2 to 4 of sub-section (1) and lines 3 and 4 of sub-section (2).

Tun Leong Yew Koh: Sir, I beg to move the Senate agrees with amendment No.

3 made by the House of Representatives.

that 231 14 AUGUST 1961 232 .

Enche'· T. H. Tan:, Sir, I beg to second.

Question put, and· agreed to.

Amendment No.


~-ClfZUse 6 (1): To delete the words "for the release of any person" appearing in lines 2 and 3 thereof.

Tun Leong Yew Koh: Sir, I beg to move the Senate agrees with amendment No.

4 made by the· House of Representatives.

that Enche' T. H. Tan: · Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.

Amendment No.

5-Clause 15: To add the following new sub-section after sub-section {3): "(4).
For the purposes of this Section 'offence under this Act' means- (i) an offence punishable under sub section (1) of Section 3 or under Section 4, 5 or 9; (ii) any of the offences referred to in sub-section (2) of Section 3; (iii) any conspiracy to commit, or an attempt to commit, or an abetment of, any of .

the offences specified in paragraphs (i) and (ii)."

Tun Leong Yew Koh: Sir, I beg to the Senate agrees with move amendment No.

5 made by the House of Representatives.


that Enche' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to second the.

motion.

Question put, and agreed to.

Amendment No.

6-Clause 15 (2) and (3): To insert the words "under this Act" after the word "offence" appearing in line two ofeach of these sub-sections.

Ton Leong Yew Koh: Sir, I beg to move that the Senate agrees· with ·amendment No.

6 made by the House of Representatives. '

Enche' T. ll.

Tan: Sir.

I beg to ~cond.

the motion. '

Question put, and· agreed to.


· BILL PRESENTED THE JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS .

(REGULATION OF REPORTS) BILL Bill to regulate the publication of Reports of Judicial Proceedings in such manner as to prevent injury to public morals; presented by the Minister of Justice; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent meeting.
BILLS THE FEDERATION OF MALAYA RED CROSS SOCIETY (INCOR PORATION) BILL Second Reading The Minister of Justice (Ton Leong Yew Koh): Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to incorporate the Malayan Red Cross Society and for purposes connected therewith" be read a second time.

Sir, this short Bill merely gives official status to the Federation having a Red Cross Society.

The Society itself was formerly a Division of the British Red Cross Society.
With independence we now have our own Society to carry on the excellent .

humanitarian work of the past.

I am s~re all Honourable Senators will welcome this and com mend it to the House.

Enche' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Dato' G. Shelley: Mr. President, Sir, this Bill forges yet another link in the chain of human sympathy throughout It was more the international world.

than 100 years ago that charity and good human relationship ushered the Red Cross into this world of ours.
Since that memorable day in 1859, Red Cross has served friend and foe alike in the ravages of war.

In between wars it has given comfort to those in sick ness and in pain.

When the cruel hand of nature strikes, Red Cross assists the afflicted in the wake of such disasters.

The mission of the Red Cross, a mission of mercy, is a never ending its one.

The Red Cross counts 233 14 AUGUST 1961 234 members in all walks of life and in all comers of the world by the scores of millions.
The virtue of human sympathy has a vital place in Red Cross membership.

Young and old alike pledge, and I quote, .. to join with others all over the world to help the sick and the suffer It is a self-imposed task an~ ing".

individual members carry out thetr duties in the spirit and in the letter of the pledge.

Honourable Members of the Senate will be glad to know, and I am happy to state, that in the humanitarian field of Red Cross, the Federation upholds a very proud record.
Indeed, Malayans serve far beyond these shores in Red In Staffordshire in Eng Cross work.

land there is a detachment of the Red Cross wholly comprised of Malayan members.

The Red Cross Society in the Federa is administered by a National tion Council and in each State there is a Division and, under these Divisions, in the rural areas and suburban areas, district committees organise the work.

It is at these district levels that one sees the work of the Society.
its efforts in the kampongs and its contribution towards the building up of a Malayan nation.

If the House will bear with me, I will acquaint Honourable Membe~s with the work that goes on at thts district level.

I choose Butterworth not because I am an official of the Butterworth Red Cross Society, I am merely a member of the Committee, but because I can speak knowingly of the work that goes on in this area which is typical of the work that the Red Cross does in other parts of the Federation.
To begin with, there is the training the different of young members stages of first aid work and home nursing.

in Last month 21 members took the first aid examination, Part I, and were successful.

Soon there will be 40 or 50 taking Part II, that is the advanced in test their stage in first aid.

and a little later members of the detachment, that is those who have left school, will be taking the national language.

Lectures are given to these young people by doctors, .
nurses, hospital assistants and those who are qualified to do so.

These young people will slowly but surely oust the bomoh from the Malayan Society and relegate this practice to the confines of ancient folklore.

These trained members of the Red Cross will undoubtedly be helpful in factories and offices, and may well be the means of saving lives.

their fellow workers to Knowledge gained by Red Cross members is put to practical application in Butterworth.
The district committee organises mobile school clinics.

They visit schools in the neighbourhood four times a week.

But for this Red Cross service, wounds, abrasion.s and such like ailments would be left unattended and left to fester.

This simple service is to give relief and to give comfort there is no aspiration to take the place of doctors.

Advanced cases are sent to for professional attendance.
the Hospital Ladies from the Royal Australian Air Force and the Royal Air Force provide the personnel for two of these mobile clinics.

They visit different schools, and the whole morning is taken up with this task-it is at a sacrifice of their leisure.

The other two clinics are manned by school girls, who, under the charge of an adult, leave for an out-of-the-way school in these mobile clinics, and there, with the co-operation of the Principal, cases are attended to by these juvenile nurses.
Unhappily, press makes capital of juvenile delin quency, but here is .

a virtue of o_ur young people which, hke the proverbtal candle, is hidden under a bushel.

Last month alone 1,285 cases were attended to in schools, and 8 were sent to the hospital.

The Red Cross serv~s a ba~y clinic as well.

Here the ladtes, agam from the R.A.A.F.

and the R.A.F., attend twice a week to do the routine checking of babies, the weighin~-in and so forth.

Last month 521 babtes were attended to in Butterworth.
· 235 14 AUGUST 1961 236 Before proceeding any further, Mr. President, I feel it my duty, as a Malayan.

to express appreciation to these British and Australian women from the Air Base in Butterworth.
I remember uttering these words in the the eve of Legislative Council on Merdeka-we were then bidding good bye to our British friends at the parting of the ways-referring to the European women, I said: "when they leave, we shall miss their charm and their friend ship but none will miss them more than the maimed, the blind, the deaf and the crippled children to whom they have given succour".

These words ring as true today as they did in pre-Merdeka.
In paying tribute to these women of charity, Honourable Members will also recollect, with gratitude, the services of the Red Cross nurses who came from the United Kingdom and Australia to serve during the emergency and latterly in the new villages.

They helped when help was needed-34 teams in all.

Today it is fitting that the noble work of one of them should be recorded in Hansard.

Films, press and radio have acclaim these women-and especially a ed "Missie of the Jungle" young lady.
was the affectionate name that the Chikwong tribe of aboriginees called Miss Moffat Young.

She was a lone worker in the fastness of the jungles of Pahang.

The tribe had been up rooted from their ancient homes of many generations as a measure in the Emergency and resettled in a place that was foreign to them.

Naturally, their morale was low, disease rampant, and there was little energy to plant for food or build their houses.
This young intrepid nurse volunteered for the job when somebody was needed to guide the tribe.
To use her own words, I will quote, "I would start on the daily programme of medicine rounds, hot drinks the children, preparing protein rations for the seriously ill, cutting out tangled and unclean locks and shampooing hair, and clearing the logs with tiny axes and burning them with branches, twigs and leaves to open up our clearing a little-help in the for la:tter increased as the men and women improved in health" -she was, as I said, a voluntary worker-and that was Red Cross work given in the person of Miss Moffat.
Malaya salutes her.

In 1957 It was in 1951 that the Red Cross Society was established in Malaya as a Branch of the British Red Cross Society.

the Red Cross attained full maturity and became known as the Federation of Malaya Red Cross Society.

Malayans have not been slow to grasp the spirit of Red Cross.

A Red Cross post is always hurriedly set up wherever there have been such disasters as fires and floods.
During the recent tragedy at Ringlet, a Red Cross post was there, and members came from as far as a hundred miles away to serve round the-clock giving comfort to the victims of the disaster.

Besides these periodical calls on the Red Cross service, visits to patients of the T.B.

and leper settlements are made and outings for children of wel fare homes are arranged.
Giving les sons in diversional therapy to patients of malingering diseases, assisting the blood banks and endeavouring in every way to make life less miserable to the ailing people are some of the other activities of the Red Cross.

Besides the maintaining of school clinics and assisting at baby clinics, volunteer workers also give hints to inexperienced mothers.

Since its inception in the Federation, the Red Cross Society has trained 15,133 young people in first aid and nursing.
When I stated in the early part of my speech that the Red Cross upholds a proud tradition in the humanitarian field, these were not idle words.

A famous British poet once wrote these immortal words, "Man's inhumanity to man has made countless thousands suffer."

Perhaps, one day, a Malayan poet will arise and answer this challenge and write words something to this effect: "Man's humanity to man has given countless thousands succour."

(Applause).
237 14 AUGUST 1961 238 Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun untok menyatakan bahawa pada dasar-nya Bill yang di-kemukakan ini ada-lab di-sokong dengan sa-penoh2-nya, oleh sebab kerja2 yang di-buat oleh per tubohan saperti ini sangat-lah berguna dalam sa-sabuah negeri dan sa-kali pun pada masa yang lalu kerja2 yang telah di-buat-nya belum lagi sa-benar2- nya mendatangkan menafa'at kapada seluroh ra'ayat atau manusia dalam negeri ini, kechuali kegiatan yang nampak dalam bandar2 besar yang mana terdapat di-ibu kota bagi tiap2 negeri.
Akan tetapi yang saya mahu menarek perhatian Dewan ini ia-1ah tentang nama Malayan Red Cross Society.

Nampak-nya pehak Kerajaan telah bersedia membuat persediaan perkataan2 Malayan akan di-gantikan dengan Federation of Malaya, tetapi saya nampak tidak ada satu sebab mengapa tidak di-gelarkan dari perka taan Malayan ia-itu perkataan Red Cross kapada perkataan Red Crescent atau bahasa Melayu-nya Bulan Sabit Merah.
Bila saya memberi pandangan ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak-lah berma'ana bahawa ini satu perasaan yang sengaja di-bawa2-jauh sa-kali dari sentimen yang melampau2, tetapi saya mahu menyatakan bahawa pera saan dan harsat ra'ayat negeri ini yang kebanyakan - nya ini berkehendakkan kapada satu perubahan dalam tiap2 segi sa-kali pun perubahan itu kita akan dapati melalui chara yang beransor2, akan tetapi perubahan itu mesti-lah di usahakan sa-hingga erti-kata kemerde kaan bagi kita memberi erti yang benar2 kemerdekaan.
sa-suai dengan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Red Cross dari bahasa Inggeris yang di-buat oleh Barat keyakinan mereka, dan tidak-lah sa-suai dengan keyakinan kita terutama bagi umat Islam dalam negeri ini yang menjadi orang yang paling berhak dalam negeri ini.

Perubahan yang di-chadangkan oleh pehak Kerajaan dengan mengemukakan yang Bill ini patut pula di-sebutkan satu perubahan-perubahan pindaan nama Red Cross-Palang Merah di-gantikan dengan Bulan Sabit Merah.
Di-negeri2 Timur Tengah pada umum-nya meng- juga bersama2 gunakan Sabit Merah atau Bulan Sabit Merah-Red Crescent dan tidak-lah pula menghalang mereka dalam kegiatan-nya dalam dunia international, bahkan saperti yang kita ketahui dalam Pertubohan Antara Bangsa di-Geneva ikut negeri2 yang memakai simbol Bulan Sabit Merah, dengan kerana itu, Tuan Yang di Pertua, saya rasa bagi Persekutuan Tanah Melayu yang ra'ayat-nya lebeh banyak ingin kapada satu perubahan yang sa-suai dengan jiwa mereka, tidak ada satu sebab yang menghalang pehak Kerajaan untok mengubah-nya dari pada perkataan Palang Merah kapada perkataan yang berbunyi Bulan Sabit Merah.
Sunggoh pun pada zahir-nya tiap2 orang akan mengambil pengertian yang mudah bahawa pertukaran nama daripada Palang Merah kapada Bulan Sabit Merah, tidak ada satu bulan, oleh kerana isi dengan badan dapat berjalan terus, akan tetapi bagi pehak saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dan saya per chaya tiap2 orang ada mempunyai perasaan-nya yang dalam saperti saya juga dalam Persekutuan Tanah Melayu ini, akan berpendapat sama bahawa ada perbezaan di-antara Palang Merah dengan Bulan Sabit Merah.
Dengan yang demikian sangat-lah baik jikalau pehak Kerajaan sendiri yang memikir kan satu pindaan pada nama Federa tion of Malaya Red Crescent Society, daripada saya mengemukakan pindaan, sebab saya sedar sa-barang pindaan yang akan saya kemukakan ini hanya satu ubahan sahaja dan barangkali hujong-nya tidak ada apa2• Jadi saya minta pehak Kerajaan menimbangkan satu perkataan Red Crescent daripada Red Cross yang lebeh mulia di-sisi umat manusia dan sa-suai pula dari sisi Perlembagaan yang menyebutkan bahawa State Religion-nya ia-lah Islam, sa-kali pun perkara itu tidak di-amalkan, tetapi dalam Perlembagaan negeri ini ada di-sebutkan, malah roh-nya dapat di chapai bersama dalam Persekutuan Tanah Melayu.
Ini pun sudah dapat di-terima oleh pehak ra'ayat, khusus nya kaum Muslimin atas dasar-nya yang merupakan tolak ansor dalam Jadi pehak saya dan perkara ini.
Islam Sa-Tanah pehak Persatuan daripada 239 14 AUGUST 1961 240 Melayu memang dapat mensesuaikan diri dalam dasar politik-nya yang beransor, dan kita bersedia menerima perubahan itu sadikit demi sadikit, dengan sebab itu saya kemukakan dalam Dewan ini satu perkara ia-itu elok-lah menimbangkan Kerajaan perubahan itu supaya di-buat perubah an dengan chara yang beransor.

expressed by the Honourable speaker just before me is groundless, and his misgivings are merely based on a narrow conception.
Therefore, I am against any form of amendment to be brought to the name in view of the fact that the objects of this Society are clearly referred to in Clause 4 of the Bill.
Enche' Athi Nahappan: Mr. President, Sir, this Society are stated in Oause 4 of the Bill which reads as folows:- the objects of "The objects of the Corporation are to provide an organisation which shall be open, without any discrimination on the grounds of religion, race or politics, to all persons in the Federation to enable them to give effect to the pur poses of the Corporation as defined in section 5, and t-o do all other things as the Corporation or its Council may deem incidental or conducive to the attainment of such objects."
Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is an inter national body and nobody would say that this is a Society that has direct connection with Christianity.

It is clear that members of various religions have a part in this Society-and it has.

established its connection in a number of countries having various forms of religions.

is spoke before me Probably the Honourable Member, who rather perturbed by the sign of the red cross.
His idea is that it is more in keeping with the independent status of our country if we call it the "Red Crescent I am afraid, Sir, that is a Society."
rather narrow way of looking at things, as there are very many organisations of an international character, and merely because we have Islam as the State religion of our country, we need not bring changes to the names already established on an international basis, especially when we know that these organisations do not have direct bearing on any particular religion.
Sir, this is not a very broad-minded approach, and there is no reason at all to fear that this would in any way derogate from the status of independence that we have in this country.

It has never affected us before or will ever affect us hereafter.

Therefore, the opinion Sir, I would make it clear that I am not in any way making any suggestion that I am against the principle of our State religion which is incorporated in our Constitution.
It has nothing to do with it at all, and I am merely saying, Sir, that we have to look at things in that we a broad-minded way and should not look at them in a narrow conception.

Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, Sir, the red cross has nothing to do with Christianity.

The red cross antedates Christianity by several hundred of It is a Greek and not a Latin years.

in fact, a Swiss flag It is, cross.

reversed out of recognition to the founder, Henri Dunant, a Swiss citizen.
More Muslim nations know the red cross than the red crescent.

Everyone in the world knows the former.

Enche' Da Abdul Jalll bin Haji Awang: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam soal Palang Merah ini, soal ugama tidak-lah berbangkit.

Dahulu barang kali pertubohan ini di-bawah British Red Cross Society dan sekarang kita mahu menjadikan pertubohan Palang Merah kita ini satu badan yang bersendiri.
Jadi kalau-lah kita telah sanggup menjadikan Palang Merah itu bersendiri maka apa-lah salah-nya kalau nama-nya juga kita ubah?

Kerana menggunakan nama Bulan Sabit Merah tidak-lah sa-kali2 bertujuan apa2 perkara yang berkaitan dengan ugama, hanya nama, sa bagaimana Red Cross Society itu juga tidak di-babitkan dengan ugama Keristian, bagitu juga-lab nanti, Bulan Sabit Merah itu pun tidak di-babitkan dengan Islam.
Kalau-lah Palang Merah itu di-takuti oleh dunia juga maka Bulan Sabit Merah itu di-takuti oleh dunia.

Tidak ada perbezaan-nya di-antara satu dengan ugama itu 241 14 AUGUST 1961 2~2 lain.

Jadi soal-nya sekarang ia-lah kerana memikirkan kita telah merdeka maka ada-lah sangat sa-suai kalau-lah kita mengubah nama Palang Merah itu dengan nama Bulan Sabit Merah.

Ini ada-lah sangat sa-suai dengan ini dari segi keadaan negeri kita amalari dan terus dalam segi perkhidmatan .
dan sangat-lah sa-suai dengan nama Bulan Sabit Merah itu dalam telah sa-buah negara yang merdeka.

juga di-gunakan, Enche' Abdul Hamid bin Mahmud: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam perkara Red Cross Society ini, pada fikiran saya ada-lab munasabah pada masa ini sebab Kerajaan bersetuju Red Cross Society itu sa mata2 untok kebajikan kemanusiaan kapada semua pendudok negeri ini dengan tidak mengira apa juga ugama atau bangsa atau sa-bagai-nya.
Jika sa-kira-nya kita hendak gunakan Red Cross Society itu di-ubah nama-nya Bulan Sabit Merah tidak-lah ada apa perubahan pun dalam menjalankan kerja Red Cross itu, kerana kalau kita tukar dengan nama Bulan Sabit Merah itu ada-lab membabitkan ugama Islam dan sama-lah juga di-katakan Red Cross Society itu membabitkan ugama Christian, maka tidak-lah ada sebab nama Red Cross Society itu patut di tukar.
Sa-rupa juga kalau sa-kira-nya kita tukarkan nama-nya kapada Bulan Sabit Merah, boleh jadi di-katakan hanya untok ugama Islam pada orang2 Islam sahaja.

Pada hal Red Cross Society ini bukan untok orang Islam sahaja.

Dengan sebab itu saya perchaya dengan nama Red Cross Society ini ada-lab lebeh munasabah dan lebeh patut di-gunakan sa-bagaimana biasa.
datang Sa-lain daripada itu jika sa-kira-nya dalam masa perang ada huruhara dalam negeri kita ini Red Cross daripada lain negeri yang berpusat di-Geneva untok memberi pertolongan sa-bagai orang tengah yang sa-benar2-nya, dengan sebab ini menubohkan satu pertubohan Palang Merah itu di-namakan Red Cross Society.
Mudah2an dengan ada-nya persetujuan ini tidak-lah akan menjadi- itu patut-lah kita negeri ka-mari sudah merdeka kan negeri kita ini di-pandang kerana kita mahu kita mengubah segala2-nya walau pun tidak mustahak.

Saya berpendapat kalau kita ubah dengan lain nama, Red Cross itu dengan nama Bulan Sabit terbit salah Merah, sangka atau perasaan ugama yang terbit dan tidak-lah elok kalau di-ubah nama itu.

tentu-lah akan Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved into a Committee on the Bill.

itself Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr. Speaker in the Chair) Clause 1- Tun Leong Yew Koh: Sir, I beg to move an amendment, namely, to delete the word "Malayan" and to substitute the words "Federation of therefor Malaya".
The organisation responsible for red cross work in the Federation is known as the "Federation of Malaya Red Cross Society" and not "Malayan Red Cross Society".

Hence this amendment.

Amendment put, and agreed to.

Clause 1, as amended, ordered to stand part· of the Bill.

Clauses 2 to 13 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Long Title- Tun Leong Yew Koh: I beg to move an amendment the Long Title, to namely, to delete the word "Malayan" and to substitute therefor the words "Federation of Malaya".
Amendment put, and agreed to.

Long Title, as amended, ordered to be the Long Title of the Bill.

Bill reported with amendments: read the third time and passed.

------------------------------------------ 243 14 AUGUST 1961 244 THE REDEMPTORIST FATHERS (INCORPORATION) BILL Second Reading Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to incorporate the Titular Superior of the Redemptorist Fathers in the Federation of Malaya" be read a second time.
I have really nothing to add to the explanatory statement at the end of the Bill which is a routine incorporation measure that has no financial or other implications affecting the Government.

This Bill therefore makes statutory the fundamental liberty and freedom of religion prescribed in Article 11 of the Constitution.

Enche' T. H. Tan: second the motion.

Sir, I beg to Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.
House immediately resolved into a Committee on the Bill.

itself Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr. President in the Chair) it will save will welcome it as parliamentary time in the future by permitting State Legislatures to legislate matters which so fall within their competency.

In Committee stage, I propose to move a minor amendment to the short title of the Bill on the advice of the law officers.

Sir, I beg to move.

Enche' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved into a Committee on the Bill.

itself Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr. President in the Chair) Clause J- Tun Leong Yew Koh: Sir, I beg to move an amendment to Clause 1-to delete the short title "State Legislatures (Incorporation) Act, 1961" _and to substitute therefor the followmg new short title: Clauses 1 to 8 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.
"Incorporation (State Legislatures Competency) Act, 1961" Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.

THE STATE LEGISLATURES (INCORPORATION) BILL Second Reading Tun Leong Yew Koh: Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act the powers of State to prescribe Legislatures to make laws with respect to the incorporation of certain persons and bodies within a State" be read a second time.
Sir, the purpose of this Bill is to confer upon State Governments certain restricted incorporate organisations of a social or educational nature.

I am sure Honourable Senators powers to incorporate The short title "State Legislatures is .

mi~­ (Incorporation) Act, 1961" it suggests that the Btll ts leading: intended the State to Legislatures.

The proposed new title follows the short title of the Ordinance which the Bill seeks to repeal.

Question put, and agreed to.


Clause 1, as amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clauses 2 to 8 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported with amendment: read the third time and passed.
Sitting suspended at 11.15 a.m. 245 14 AUGUST 1961 246 Sitting resumed at 2.00 p.m. (Mr. President in the Chair) ADJOURNMENT SINE DIE (MOTION) Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move, That at its rising this day the Senate do stand adjourned sine die.

Enche' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Resolved, That at its rising this day the Senate do stand adjourned sine die.
BILLS THE LOAN (LOCAL) AMENDMENT BILL Second Reading Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr~ President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bi11 intituled "an Act to amend the Loan (Local) Ordinance, 1959" be read a second time.

Engku Muhsein: Tuan Yang di Pertua, saya menyokong.

The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan Siew Sin): Mr. President, Sir, the Loan (Local) Ordinance, 1959 authorised the Minister to raise domestic loans not exceeding three hundred million dollars.
To date loans totalling $250 million have been issued under the authority of this Ordinance, and a further loan of $50 million will probably be floated later this month.

In the past, it has been the practice to introduce a new Loan Bill as and when the authority given by existing Loan Acts is This procedure is con exhausted.

sidered to be unnecessarily cumbersome when it is apparent that the Govern ment must loans at regular intervals in order to finance the Second Five-Year Plan.
The Bill now before the House will permit loans in excess of $300 million to be raised under the authority of the Loan (Local) Ordinance, 1959 subject to any increase being .

approved -by resolution of the Dewan Ra'ayat.

The Government issue intends to introduce resolutions from time to time increasing the maximum sum which may be raised in this way.

A resolution will not be introduced each time a new loan is to be floated.
It is not considered that this in any way reduces Parliamentary control over expenditure as all sums received from the issue of loans under the provisions of the Loan (Local) Ordinance, 1959 must be paid into the Development Fund and issues from this Fund require sanction by Parliament.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved into a Committee on the Bill.

itself Bill considered in Committee.


(Mr. President in the Chair) Clauses I and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.

mE EXCISE BILL Second Reading Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend and consolidate the law relating to Excise" be read a second time.

Engku Mubsein: Tuan Yang di Pertua, saya menyokong.
Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr. President, .Sir, this Bill which is now before the House is essentially a piece of con solidating legislation which, together with the regulations, will in future constitute an Excise Code which will have effect throughout the Federation.

The provisions of this Bill will replace those of the various Excise Enactments now in force in several States.
The the Tobacco repeal Bill will also (Licensing and Excise Duty) Ordinance, 1954, which provides only the licensing and collection of exctse on manufactured tobacco although it has .the law the Federation.
throughout force of f<?r 247 14 AUGUST 1961 248 the provisions of The consolidation of the various Excise Enactments is now long overdue, because not only has experience shown that the various Excise Enactments are difficult to administer but their provisions have proved ineffective owing to their very lack of uniformity.
It is also desirable, indeed essential, that the various Enactments should be unified at this particular juncture, especially when the Federal Government is embarking on a policy of encouraging the growth of industries through private investment.

Honourable Members will probably agree with me that laws with such diverse provisions will only tend to be discriminatory and would in the end, deter private capital from participating in industrial investment.
Before I go into the provisions of the Bill, I would like to make the point that the pattern of the Bill · fo1lows, as far as practicable, the Customs Ordinance, 1952, particularly as regards the manner of granting exemption from the payment of excise duty and as regards the provisions relating to trials, proceedings, offences and penalties.
The major amendments to the existing laws are proposed in Parts VII and VIII of the Bill, and I shall deal with the relevant Clauses as I proceed to deal with the provisions The Bill, Sir, is a Part by Part.

straightforward one, and in explaining the provisions, I do not propose to take too much of Honourable Members' time.

the Part I deals with required ·definitions, and, for the interest of Honourable Members, I might perhaps draw their attention to the definition of words such as "alcohol".
"dutiable", "Excise Officer", "owner", "tobacco", "toddy", "uncured tobacco" which have .been incorporated in Clause 2 of this Part.

These definitions are necessary with a view to avoiding doubt ambiguity when disagreement and occurs.

Part II provides for the appointment of officers to be charged with the duty and of co1lecting, accounting for managing the revenues from excise.

the There are no amendments existing laws in this Part of the Bill.
to Part III deals with the question of levying of excise duty.

As provided in the the Customs Ordinance, 1952, Minister is empowered to fix the excise duty from time to time by order in the Gazette.

Clause 10 provides that the Minister tnay, by order, exempt, subject to any conditions that he tnay deem fit to impose.

any class of goods or person from the.

payment of the whole or any part of excise duty which may be payable.
This provision is similar to Clause 13 of the Customs Ordinance, 1952. for Part IV of the Bill sets out the provisions the manufacture of dutiable goods, and in this Part I wish to elaborate first on Clause 16 (2).

This Clause empowers the Minister to exempt any class of persons from the requirements of licensing, under sub clause I of the Clause.

It is proposed, in exercise of this power, to provide exemption from duty for those who manufacture tobacco by manual means for their own consumption.
Under the those statutory concession, present manufacturing tobacco for sale and employing not more than 3 persons may be liable to duty, and consequently would have to be dealt with by an order of the Minister.

Clause 18 would enable registered medical practitioners, pharmacists and qualified chemists to carry out their normal business by exempting them from the provision of Clause 16 (1) which requires them to obtain licences for distilling dutiable goods.
Clause 19 (2) has been in corporated to prevent loss of revenue through carelessness or a possible attempt to evade payment of duty.

Part V makes provision for the storage of dutiable goods and as they are straightforward, I do not propose to say anything more on these pro visions.

Similarly, with Part VI of the Bill, which controls movement and storage of tobacco which do not depart from the provisions of the Tobacco (Licensing and Excise Duty) Ordinance, 1954.
249 14 AUGUST 1961 250 instead of empowers the Ruler Sir, I now come to Part VII of the Bill which contains the more important amendments which, as I mentioned earlier, I would deal with under the appropriate Part.

It will be observed the that Clause 32 (1) in Minister, Council of a State, to establish Licensing Boards.
This amendment is a departure from the normal tradition but it has been introduced in order to increase Federal control and to save embarrassment to certain State Govern the exercise of ments arising from in executive functions to relation It is intended, intoxicating liquors.

however, that State Governments should be consulted every time before members of the Licensing Boards are actually appointed.
Special provision is included under aause 86 of the Bill for the Minister to delegate the power to appoint such members· should this be desirable reasons.
Clause 32 (2) of Part VII of the Bill provides that public servants, who, in their official capacity, have any dealings or are in any way concerned with the sale or purchase of intoxicating liquors or with premises in which such sale or p~rchase is carried on, shall be the excluded from membership of Licensing Boards in order to avoid allegations that such officers may try to exert undue influence on the other members of the Board.
This is an important amendment, and Honourable Members will agree with me that such officers should not be placed in a position where this can be said of them.

However, such officers will be allowed to attend meetings of and address the Licensing BoardS.
for practical Clause 34 in this Part of the Bill provides that a person to whom a licence has been issued under Clause 16 for the manufacture of intoxicating liquor may sell such liquor by wholesale at his licensed place of manufacture but if the liquor is removed to another licence must be place, a separate obtained.

This provision has been included because it is necessary to eJtempt the distiller from having to obtain a wholesale licence if.

the sale of liquor is made at \the pla£e of manufacture.
This provision thus avoids the ambiguity in the existing Excise Enactment (Cap.

133).

Part VIIT also contains an important amendment and makes special pro vision for the extraction and sale of toddy.

Government toddy shops are !lot at present licensed, and provision ts made for the issue by the Minister of permits to tap palm trees for toddy to persons to whom contracts have been awarded for the supply of toddy to Government shops.
It is not, however, proposed to bring the provisions of this Part together with those of Clauses 36 (1) (e), 76 and 77 into operation at the present time until future policy in relation to toddy has been decided and the State Governments fully consulted on this matter.

Part IX sets out miscellaneous pro visions to regulate the manner of giving information and evidence and the manner regarding service of notice.
Oause 51 in this Part allows an appeal to be made to the Minister when any person is aggrieved by the decision of the Comptroller of Customs on any provision under this Part of the Bill.

Parts X and XI are important Parts and the provisions follow very closely those of the Customs Ordinance, 1952.
The following Clauses of the Bill relating trials and proceedings, similar to existing provisions in the Customs Ordinance, 1952, have been introduced, for example: - to Clause 60 of the Bill is similar to Section 115 of the Customs Ordinance.

Clause 61 of the Bill is similar to Section 116 of the Customs Ordinance.

Clause 63 of the Bill is similar to Section 121 of the Customs Ordinance.

Clause 64 of the Bill is similar to Section 122 of the Customs Ordinance.
This observation applies to several If Honourable other aauses, too.

Members will refer to the comparative table on page 42 of the Bill, they will see that Clauses 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70.

71 and 72 inclusive are comparable to various Sections the Customs Ordinance, 1952. in 251 14 AUGUST 1961 252 Part Xll provides for the manner.

in which the offences are to be dealt wt~h and the penalties to be ~posed.

This.

together with the provtstons of Part XIII.


follow strictly existing provisions in the various Excise Enactments.

and there is.

therefore, no necessity for me to draw the attention of Honourable Members to any of the Oauses in these Parts, except to refer to Clause 86 where the Minister may.
by notification in the Gazette and subject to such conditions and restrictions as may be necessary, delegate the exercise of the powers or the performance of the duties conferred or imposed on him by this Act to any person described by name or office.

This is an important provision and to Oause 32 earlier on, I have mentioned that for practical reasons, it is intended to use this Clause generously.
I might also mention that Clauses 44 and for existing subsidiary 87 provide legislation, it is not in consistent with the provisions of the to remain in force until other Bi11, provision is made therefor.

in my reference insofar as While I do not propose to take the House through the Bill in detail.

there are three points which I understand have given rise to some anxiety, and I will try to dispose of them.

Firstly.

does the man who grows tobacco require a licence under the Bi11 to do so?
The answer is no.

The person who grows tobacco is lawfully in possession of that tobacco and.

therefore.

may sell it without a licence to a licensed tobacco dealer by virtue of Clause 26 of the Bill.

The grower's right to possess such tobacco without a licence is safeguarded by Clause 30 of the Bill.

· .

The second question is: does the person engaged in distributing beer.

that is to say.

taking it into a shop to .

be sold or delivering from a shop to a customer, require a licence?
The answer, so far as delivery by sale on retail is concerned.

is no.

Clause 35 {1) expressly provides for this.

On the other hand, sale by wholesale of intoxicating to holders of wholesale dealers' licences.

restricted liquor is The position with respect to this under the Bill is, therefore, exactly the same as it is under the existing legislation.

The third question is: does a person who sells beer by retail, for instance a coffee-shop proprietor, require a licence?
Once again, the position under the Bill is exactly the same as it is under the existing legislation.

It is no offence to sen the beer by retail for consumption on or off the premises of the vendor in unopened bottles.

As to sale by retail of beer, no licence is required if the beer is sold in unopened bottles.

On the other hand.

provision has been made for the issue of beer house licences which wi11 enable the holder to sen beer in opened bottles for consumption at his premises.
In the present Ordinance that sort of licence is restricted to draught, not bottled beer, a needless restriction.

Beer by definition includes Stout.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the · whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr. President in the Chair) Clauses I to 6- Enche' Yeoh Klan Teik: Mr. the President, Sir.
definition of the word "manufacture" reads-- in Oause 2 (a) "'manufacture' in the case of intoxi cating liquors, includes the addition of any substance (other than water) to any intoxicating liquor with intent that the compound so formed shan be sold for human consumption," To my mind.

this is not a very clear definition.

It says "other than water".

Does it make it an offence then to add, for instance, ginger ale to any intoxi cating liquor?

Because.

according to this.


a barman will be manufacturing liquor if he adds ginger ale to whisky or brandy and sells it to a customer (Laughter).

That is not clear.

253 14 AUGUST 1961 254 Sir, I would also point out that there is no definition of the word "still" in this Section.

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: I am no lawyer, Sir, but I don't think the Government will act under the pro visions of this law against anybody selling brandy I ginger ale, if that is what the Honourable Member means (Laughter).
With regard to the lack of definition of the word "still" I think the term is fairly wellknown, and for that reason probably the Legal Drafts man has not seen fit insert a definition for it.

to Question put, and agreed to.

Clauses 1 to 6 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clauses 7 to 31 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clauses 32 to 39- ini berma'ana Enche' Mohd.


Zahir bin Haji Ismail: Yang Berhormat Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ini mengatakan bahawa Section 32 Menteri boleh menubohkan lembaga itu di-tiap2 tempat dalam Persekutuan.

Sekarang, telah mengambil kuasa Raja2-dalam-Council saperti mana yang di-sebutkan dalam tiap2 undang2 yang ada di-negeri2 yang mempunyai undang2 sa-umpama ini.

Dan undang2 negeri itu akan di mansohkan sa-lepas daripada undang2 ini berjalan kuat-kuasa-nya.
Saya suka hendak bertanya, Tuan Yang di Pertua, ada-kah Kerajaan negeri ini telah mengambil persetujuan negeri2 itu supaya undang2 ini di-luluskan dan kuasa Raja2 - dalam - Council itu di hapuskan?

Dato' Dr. Cheah Toon Lok: Mr. President, Sir, the States are very much concerned over this type of legislation, because it takes away the power of the States.

It takes away our revenue also.


We have power over legislation through if our Executive Council; therefore, this legislation comes into operation, to ' amend our then we have got Constitution.

So, we are very anxious for the interpretation of this Clause: the Federal to whether firstly, as Government will ask the State Govern ments to amend their licensing laws, and secondly, whether the revenue will still accrue to the States.
Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr. President, Sir, on the question of revenue, there is no question of the State Governments losing any revenue.

With regard to the other question, I can say that the State Governments were consulted, and, as far as the Federal Government is concerned, no objection has so far been raised.

Clauses 32 to 39 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clauses 40 to 87 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

The Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill.


Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.

THE FINANCIAL PROCEDURE (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Enche' Tan Siew Sin: I have, Sir, made it clear in my speech that the State Governments will be consulted every time before members of licensing boards are actually appointed, and I don't think there is any objection on this score from the State Governments.
Enche' Mohamed Zahir: My ques tion is whether the consent of the Ruler-in-Council has been obtained.

I did not ask whether the State Governments have any objection to it or not.

Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled the Financial "an Act Procedure Ordinance, 1957" be read a second time.

to amend Engku Muhsein: Tuan Yang di Pertua, saya menyokong.
Encbe' Tan Siew Sin: Mr. President, Sir, as Honourable Members are aware, the financial provisions of the Constitu tion introduced radical changes in the financial structure of the Federation, 255 14 AUGUST 1961 256 into force and these were brought the together with the provisions of Financial Procedure Ordinance, 1957, with effect from 1st January, 1958.
The new financial system has now been in operation for just over three and a half years, and it is natural that as a result of experience of its working it should appear desirable to introduce a number of changes and improve ments.

The Bill which is before the House has been prepared after very careful consideration and discussion with the State Governments and the Auditor-General as well as with the the Federal various authorities of Government.
accordance with paragraph (f) of Clause (4) of Article 108 of the Constitution, consultation has been carried out with the National Finance Council.

which consists of representatives of all the State Govern ments as well as those of the Federal Government, and the agreement of that Council to the terms of the draft Bill was obtained on 9th June last.
In The Bill contains a number of minor changes which are sufficiently explained in the Explanatory Statement attached to it, and I will deal now only with the more substantial amendments which are being introduced.

In my budget speech last December, I explained the system of Controlling Officers which was being introduced in connection with the 1961 Estimates.
It is now proposed to give this system statptory backing and for this purpose new Sections numbered 15A in respect of the Federal provisions and 29A in respect of the State provisions are included in Clauses 6 and 15 of the Bill respectively.
These Sections set out the responsibilities of the officers, who are designated Controlling Officers in the respect of each Head of Estimates, and make it clear that these responsibilities extend not only to controlling the expenditure under that Head but also to all aspects of the financial supervision relating to the department .

or service for which the Head provides.


I wish to stress that within the Go vernment machinery, this responsibility for finanCial management is exercisable by the Controlling Officer separately from the policy responsibility, which resides in the Minister under whom the department or service falls.

It is, of course, the Minister, within the approved policy of the Government, to say what shall be done by the department concerned.
responsibility of the It is, on the other hand, the responsibility of the Controlling Officer to ensure that all necessary financial steps have been taken to enable that policy to be carried out as economically and efficiently as possible and, in the event of such steps not having already been taken, to advise the Minister as to what is necessary to be done before the policy can be carried out.
Every Controlling Officer is directly answer able to the Treasury and to the Public Accounts Committee of the Dewan Ra 'ayat for the proper carrying out of these.

duties.

He may, of course, delegate some of his duties to the officers under his control, but the Bill provides that the extent of any such delegation shall be properly prescribed so that the chain and sphere of responsibility are clear.
I would add that these new aauses do not introduce any new financial principle into the administration of the Government, nor do they· affect in any way the responsibility of Ministers to Parliament, but merely clarify the existing principles of administration.

I that they will be of value in feel inculcating a deeper sense of financi~l the Pubhc throughout responsibility Service.
to Section 24 of Clause 10 of the Bill introduces an amendment the Ordinance which seeks to ensure that, as far as possible, any surplus monies held by the State Government.s should be invested locally.

It requtres that the Treasury · be the authority of such monies are obtained before invested otherwise than on deposit in licensed banks in the Federation or in securities issued by the Government of the Federation., The purpose of the provision is to enable the Minister.
of Finance to ensure that the Federat10n 257 14 AUGUST 1961 258 to has the first opportunity of putting to good use any surplus funds which may be available the States.

This provision has been accepted by the State Governments, and I am sure Honourable Members will agree with me that, in view of the large sums of money which the Five-Year Development Plan requires the Federal Government to spend in the States, such a provision is eminently justifiable.
I should perhaps make brief mention of the amended definitions which will result from the proposals in Clause 2 of the Bill.

Of these, items (a) and (c) are sufficiently explained in the (b) Explanatory Statement.

alters the ~efinition of the term "State financial a thority", which at present reads "the principal officer or person in charge f the financial affairs of a State".
T~ere is a State Financial Officer in every State who exercises the functions of the State financial authority under the Ordinance, and the purpose of the deletion of the words "or person" as now proposed in the Bill is to put it beyond doubt that this officer is the authority referred to.

Item spent.

The problems of financial administration grow more and more complex.
It is therefore essential that sound and workable we have a financial procedure, and that our financial laws are regularly kept up to-date.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved into a Committee on the Bill.

itself Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr. President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 18 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.
THE SECOND-HAND DEALERS (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading In conclusion, I would say that the fact that so few amendments of any substance need to be introduced in the Financial Procedure Ordinance after more than three years' experience is a tribute to the skill and foresight of original drafted those who the In general, our financial Ordinance.

administration is, I feel, one of which we can be proud.
It is natural that from time to time matters should be brought to the notice .of the Public Accounts Committee by the Auditor General which indicate that improve ments are necessary, and in such cases action is speedily taken to put matters right.

There is no lack of financial awareness amongst the Public Service as a whole, and.

I am happy to say, a steady improvement is taking place in the quality of the Government's financial control.

As the development of the count.ry progresses.


which under our present development plans it is doing by leaps and bounds.

it is natural that more revenue is collected and more money Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President.

Sir, I beg to· move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Second-Hand Dealers Ordinance, 1946" be read a second time.

Engku Muhsein: Tuan Yang di Pertua, saya menyokong.
The Assistant Minister of the Interior (Enche' Ismail bin Mohamed Yusof): Mr. President, Sir, under section 14 (I) of the Second-Hand Dealers Ordinance, 1946, every licensed dealer who deals in motor vehicle parts shall, at or before the close of business each day, report in writing to the nearest Police Station full details of any motor vehicle parts which he has bought or sold during that day with the price paid and the name and address of the vendor or purchaser, as the case may be.
The effect of section 14 places an unwarranted burden both on the second-hand dealers and the Police in that it requires the submission of daily reports of sales or purchases of motor vehicle parts.

259 14 AUGUST 1961 260 The purpose of this Bill is to repeal the existing provision of section 14 of the Ordinance and to replace it by a new provision enabling the licensing officer who is ordinarily the Officer in Charge of the Police District, when to need arises, submit reports.
to require dealers The object of the new definition in Clause 2 of the Bill is to remove any doubt that a deputed police officer may perform the functions of the Chief Police Officer as licensing officer.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr. President in the Chair) Clauses I to 3 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.

THE APPRAISERS (EXTENSION TO PERLIS) BILL Second Reading The present Bill follows the pattern of the Trengganu Ordinance and is designed to correct the position as far as the State of Pedis is concerned.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved into a Committee on the Bill.

itself Bill considered in Committee.


(Mr. President in the Choir) Clauses I and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.
THE TROPICAL FISH CULTIJRE RESEARCH INSTITUTE BILL Second Reading Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to provide for the establish ment of the Tropical Fish Culture Research Institute at Batu Berendam the in incorporation of the Board of Manage ment thereof and for matters incidental thereto" be read a second time.
the State of Malacca, for Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act the Appraisers Enactment of the Federated Malay States to the State of Pedis" be read a second time.

to extend Engk.u Muhsein: Tuan Yang di Pertua, saya menyokong.

Enche' Ismail bin Mohd.


Yusof: Mr. President, Sir, Pedis is at present the only State which possesses no legislation relating to appraisers, and consequently applications from persons to function as licensed appraisers in that State, it has been found, cannot be approved.

A similar state of affairs formerly existed in Trengganu but the situation was dealt with by extending the operation of the Appraisers Enact ment of the Federated Malay States (F.M.S.

Cap.

80) to that State.


Engk.u Muhsein: Tuan Yang di Pertua, saya menyokong.

Enche' Abdul Aziz bin Ishak: Mr. President, Sir, Honourable Members will, I am sure, want to know the this Fish Culture background of Research Institute.

The Fish Culture Research Institute was first mooted by the Colonial Office in the years immediately after the war.
lt was to be an Institute not only to serve British territories in South-east Asia but also to serve the needs of the developing British territories in Africa as it was realised then that fish ponds could be a valuable source of protein food.
Malaya was selected as the site because it was felt that the techniques of fish-culture were best developed in the East and that Malaya was centrally situated in respect of the 261 14 AUGUST 1961 262 three different well-known techniques of fish culture namely, Chinese, Indian and Indonesian.

few The first site selected was at Balik Pulau, Penang.
Sir, by a strange coincidence, I was at that time a nominated member of former the Legislative Council and I opposed, in a motion, against the establishment of the Institute at Balik Pulau on the ground that the site was unsuitable.

(A former Legislative Council are at present in this House).

My motion was lost.

However, investigations proved that I was correct and hence the Institute is now established at Batu Berendam, Malacca.
It was opened in 1957 by the then High Commissioner for the Federation of Malaya, Sir Donald MacGillivray.

.

Members of subsequent the On the the 24th May, 1958, Federation Government agreed to make an annual contribution of £1,000 towards the Station.
The Agreement between the Federation and the United Kingdom on the setting up of the Institute wa~ signed on the 7th June, 1960. running costs of the Article III of the Agreement requires the passage of legislation providing for the establishment of the Institute the in in corporation of the Institute.

The present Bill, Sir, relates to the above legislation.
the Federation and for the Board of in Honourable Members will note that the Board of Management weigh the United favour of heavily Kingdom Government and that in the Agreement between the United King dom Government and the Federation Government, the appointment of the Director of the Institute rests solely with the United Kingdom Government.
Although my Ministry is fully aware of this fact, it is felt that these con cessions are explainable on the grounds that the Federation Government could to finance such a huge not afford organisation in view of the urgent need the research and technological organisations of its own Fisheries Division.

Therefore, as a gesture of goodwill, it has agreed to a to develop contribution of £1,000 annually instead of the large contribution originally requested for by the United Kingdom Government.
There is a saying "Charity begins at home."

Nevertheless it is felt that the Fish Culture Research Institute has a significant part to play and for that reason, our contribution though small should be viewed in the light of the more important need for developing our own research establishments which course alone can lead us on to the sphere of Scientific Independence.
In moving the adoption of this Bill, I would like to state that the develop ment of fisheries both marine and freshwater is one to which my Ministry attaches great importance.

In matters of freshwater fisheries development and fisheries research, our policies are laid down after consultation with State Governments.
In this connection, it is regretted that there has of late been unofficial interference from officials of the Fish Culture Research Institute at Batu Berendam· who have tried to confuse the minds of the State Govern ments.

I have mentioned this because it is my sincere wish that there should be goodwill and co-operation between the Ministry's Division and the Fish Culture Research Institute; and there fore I would like to ensure that there should be no misunderstanding now or in the future in this matter.
in to a I now refer letter, which the Straits Times of appeared August, 1961, from the Director of the Fish Culture Research Institute denying the interference which I referred to just now.

Let me quote the particular case in point.

This is in relation to our proposed hatchery for trout and other fish which is designed to take full advantage of the impounded waters of the Cameron Highlands Hydro Electric Scheme at Ringlet.
The Mentri Besar of Pahang was given advice when he visited the Institute in May, 1961, and this advice has cast grave doubts in his mind on the capability of my Ministry in carrying out the project.

As a result, Sir, the State Government has written to the Ministry.

263 14 AUGUST 1%1 264 Finally, I sincerely hope that the Fish Culture Research Institute will in every fruitful co-operation work the Fisheries Division of this with Ministry the advancement of fisheries research in this country.
for Enche' Yeoh Kian Teik: Mr. President, Sir, with reference to Clause 6 dealing with the constitution of the Board, the Chairman is to be nominated by the United Kingdom Government; then a member of the Office of the the United High Commissioner for the Kingdom to be nominated by United Kingdom Government; the Director also, under Clause 13, to be nominated by the United Kingdom Government; and the scientific member again to be nominated by the United It seems that Kingdom Government.
only two members of the Federation are nominated by the Federation Government.

May I ask the Minister the United what Kingdom contribution to this project?

the extent of is Enche' Abdul Aziz bin Ishak: I am afraid, Sir, I do not have the exact figure.

I think it is an astro nomical~ figure compared with our contribution of £1,000 a year.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.
House immediately resolved into a Committee on the Bill.

itself Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr. President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 6- Dato' Dr. Cheah Toon Lok: Mr. President, Sir, I refer to Clause 2 which reads:- "In this Act ........ 'Agreement' means the Agreement between the Government of Gr~t Britain and Northern Ireland I would like to know whether Northern Ireland has got a Government or not.
If it has, then the wording should be "Governments of Great Britain and Northern "Go- Ireland"-not the vernment''.

Clause 3 also says "tl!e Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland has ...... "-if it is "Government" then the wording is correct; but if it is "Governments", then the word should be "have".

Again, Clause 6 says "the United Kingdom Government".

Should we say, "the Agreement between the United Kingdom Government.
..... " and not "between the Government of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"?

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr. President, Sir, if I may be permitted to answer.

I think it refers to the Government -if I may put it in full--of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland, and hence the term "United Kingdom" has been used.

It is really one Government.

In fact.

Northern Ireland is supposed to be part of the United Kingdom.

(Laughter.)

of Great Britain Enche' Athi Nahappan: .


Sir, will the Honourable the Minister explain whether Great Britain includes Nor thern Ireland?

(Laughter).

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Sir, I have tried to explain that the full term is "the Government of the United King dom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland."

I am sure the Honourable Member may probably recall a little bit of ancient history whereby Ireland was part of the United Kingdom, then subsequently only Northern Ireland.

It is supposed to be one entity.


Question put, and agreed to.

Clauses I to 6 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clauses 7 to 14 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clause 15- Enche' Mohd.


Zahir bin Haji Ismail: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Clause 15 (1) yang bersangkut-paut dengan compensation yang mengatakan: "notwithstanding that compensation is to be paid by the Board, and such declaration shall have effect as if it were a declaration that such land is needed in accordance with such written law.

"· for a public purpose 265 14 AUGUST 1961 266 ini ini tanah Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau sa-kira nya Board ini ta' bayar compensation, siapa-kah yang akan membayar-nya?
sangat2-lah menjadi Perkara kerumitan kapada sa-tengah2 Kerajaan ada Negeri.

Di-sini undang2 ta' menyebutkan walau pun Board bayar compensation atau imbohan (ganti rugi) kapada tuan tanah yang tanah-nya itu di-kehendaki oleh Board i!li.

juga.

Jikalau sa-kira-nya Kerajaan atau pun Board ini ta' mahu bayar, ada-kah Kerajaan akan bayar compensation pada tu;:tn tanah itu?

f\:alau sa-kira nya kita berpegang kapada section 15 (1) ini tanah itu akan di-ambil walau pun compensation tidak di-bayar-nya.
Enche' Abdul Aziz bin Ishak: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perkara ini ada-lab bersangkut dengan Undang2 Tanah di negeri Melaka.

itu akan di-ambil Question put, and agreed to.

Clause 15 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clauses 16 and 17. inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.

mE ADVOCATES AND SOLI CITORS (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Tun Leong Yew Koh: ~r.
President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Advocates and Solicitors Ordinance, 1947" be read a second time.

Sir, I do not propose to detain the House for long over this small but very important amendment.

The Government is studying a report prepared by a committee under the chairmanship of a Judge regarding the structure of and qualifications of entry to the legal profession in Malaya.
A number of long-term arrangements will be necessary, including the setting up of a Council of' Legal Education..

In this, we must obviously run pari passu with .

the Government of Singapore; ~4 we shall shortly be entering into consultations with that Government.

In the meantime, the first batch of law graduates from the University of Malaya have received their degrees, and have been reading in Chambers for the last eight months.
They have all successfully undergone a post-graduate course in practical law procedure at the University of Malaya, and are , just about ready to enter the profession as fully-fledged advocates and solicitors.

The purpose of this Bill, therefore, is to extend fuU recognition to the University LL.B.

The Government of Singapore has already done that.


I am sure this will commend itself to all sides of this House as a proof that we do not intend indefinitely to rely on foreign degrees, excellent though these latter are.

At a later meeting during this session, the Government will introduce another amending Bill to incorporate and establish a Council of Legal Education.

We shall also take the opportunity to make other changes, mostly at the behest of the Bar Council.
This Bill is therefore an interim one so the University will be able to embark without delay on their lucrative careers, and I am sure that members of the learned profession will welcome them in their midst.

the young men from that Enehe' Athi Nahappan: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

E1tche' Yeoh Kian Teik: Mr. President, Sir, as a member of the legal profession, I take this opportunity to support this Bill and to extend our warm welcome to those who will be admitted to our profession by virtue .
of the passing of this Bill.

1m, saya undang2 Enche' Abdul Hamid bin Mabmud: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berkenaan dengan suka berch~ap dengan ada-nya undang2 Advocates and Solicitors 1947 di-dalam negeri Kelantan maka itu telah berlaku kesusahan terhadap ra'ayat.

Kerana ra'ayat-nya miskin, di-sana tidak berpelajaran dan perkara2 yang berlaku di-antara ra'ayat dengan Mahkamah sangat banyak.
Oleh sebab ada-nya un<;lang2 Solicitors Ordinance itu ber jalan dalam negeri Kelantan,-loyar 267 14 AUGUST 1961 268 ra'ayat di-sana boleh di-katakan juga tidak banyak dalam negeri Kelantan-jika ada satu atau dua surat2 perjanjian yang hendak di-buat pun terpaksa berjumpa dengan Pada masa yang lampau di loyar.

Kelantan, boleh membuat surat di-Mahkamah Tinggi atau Mahkamah Tengah menerusi petition writer.
Tetapi apabila berjalan undang2 ini dalam negeri Kelantan sekarang, petition writer tidak dapat langsong menolong atau menulis surat mewakili ra'ayat di-mana2 Mahkamah.

Mithal-nya sa-orang ra'ayat hendak surat perjanjian hendak .

membuat menjual tanah dengan harga $100 I-, mengikut undang2 ini, surat itu tidak boleh di-buat oleh petition writer, melainkan berjumpa dengan loyar.

Loyar pula mengenakan bayaran ka atas surat perjanjian itu sangat tinggi.
Ini ada-lah satu penderitaan yang sa benar2-nya negeri Kelantan.

berlaku dalam boleh surat2 perjanjian Saya fikir, patut pehak Kementerian ia-itu Kementerian yang berkenaan, Keadilan, menyiasat hal ini supaya surat2 saperti itu tidak payah di-buat melalui loyar.

Ra'ayat tidak faham dalam perkara undang2 ini.

Barangkali ada di-antara Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang tidak faham tujuan yang saya chakapkan.

Mengikut pindaan undang2 ini chuma orang2 yang keluar daripada University termasok dalam undang2 ini.
Yang saya tujukan di-sini ia-lah, kerana ia menegah ra'ayat di Pantai Timor; semua surat2 saman atau hendak-lah di-buat melalui loyar.

Kalau di-buat melalui petition writer mereka chuma membayar sa-banyak sa-puloh ringgit atau dua puloh ringgit sahaja.
Jadi dengan ini saya harap kapada Menteri Keadilan di-masa yang akan datang di-benarkan itu membuat kerja ini dengan menghad kan, mithal-nya surat2 yang bemilaian $10,000 ka-bawah boleh di-buat oleh petition writer, dan yang lebeh daripada itu boleh di-buat oleh loyar.

Saya akan membawa satu pendapat dalam Majlis ini ia-itu di-masa yang akan datang petition writer akan bertentangan dengan Advocates and Solicitors.

petition writer di-Kelantan Tun Leong Yew Koh: Sir, this Bill simply recognises the LL.B.
degree of the University of Malaya.

It does not force anybody to go to a lawyer to have an agreement made.

People themselves can have an agreement to a made without even petition writer.

Any agreement can be made between two persons without referring to anybody else.

referring saya Enche' Abdul Hamid bin Mahmud: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, suka menerangkan berkenaan perkara ini, barang kali Yang Berhormat Menteri Keadilan tidak faham.
Yang saya maksudkan ia-itu dengan ada undang2 ini ra'ayat kerana terpaksa berjumpa dengan loyar.

Kalau berjumpa dengan loyar mesti-lah kena bayaran yang tinggi.

ada-lab menyusahkan Mr. President: Tidak ada undang2 ini menegah membuat-nya.

Undang2 ini chuma membenarkan orang2 yang baharu keluar daripada University itu boleh masok menjadi loyar.

Enche' Abdul Hamid bin Mahmud: Saya berchakap tadi berkenaan dengan Advocates and Solicitors Ordinance 1947.

Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr. President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 3 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.
WEEKLY HOLIDAYS (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Weekly Holidays Ordinance, 1950" be read a second time.

269 14 AUGUST 1961 270 Enche' Nik Hassan bin Haji Nilt Yahya: Sir, I beg to second.
1be Assistant Minister of Labour (Enche' V. Manickavasagam): Mr. President, Sir, this Bill is designed to clarify some of the provisions of the Ordinance, to widen its application, and to bring the designations used in the Ordinance in line with the other Ordinances relating to labour.

The amendment in Clause 2 restricts the definition of the term "unassisted shop" its sole to a shop run by proprietor with the assistance of either the spouse or one of the children.
Clause 3 seeks to rectify an omission in the Weekly Holidays (Amendment) Ordinance, 1957, when the benefit of the five holidays a year over and above the weekly holidays was extended to employees in the premises listed in the Schedule to the Ordinance.

The present amendment will extend this benefit to employees in restaurants and theatres.
The amendment in Clause 4 (1) has the effect of safeguarding wages from being reduced when weekly holidays are given and also removes the anomaly of paying wages where none was earned according to trade practices.

The Weekly Holidays Ordinance provides for compulsory weekly holi days to employees in shops and has adequate safeguards to see that, as a result of this provision, the wages of labourers and shop assistants are not reduced.
However, before these pro visions came into force there were certain classes of daily-rated employees who had been given weekly holidays without pay.

This was accepted as practice.

The trade the Ordinance, as it stands, appears to require payment for these employees which is not the intention.

The amend ment would remove this ambiguity.


The amendment in Clause 4 (2) ensures that employees receive their full day's wages if and when an additional half holiday is declared by the Minister to be compulsory for any particular class of shops.

normal Clause 5 seeks to amend section 9 of the Ordinance so as to bring the in line with designations of offices the titles used the Employment Ordinance.

in Question put, and agreed to.


Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved into a Committee on the Bill.

itself Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr. President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 5 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.
THE WAR RISKS (GOODS) INSURANCE FUND (WINDING-UP) BILL Second Reading Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to provide for the winding up of the War Risks (Goods) Insurance Fund" be read a second time.

Enche' Nik Hassan: Tuan Yang di Pertua, saya menyokong.
the purpose of Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr. President, Sir, as Honourable Members are aware, a Joint Fund for the then Federated Malay States and Straits Settlements for insuring goods against war risks was established by Section 9 of the War Risks (Goods) Enactment, 1941 (F.M.S.

No.

6 of 1941), which came into force on 3rd Section 10 of this March, 1941.

Enactment provides for a Board of Management of the Fund.
The appli cation of the Enactment was extended throughout the Federation by the War Risks (Goods) Insurance Ordinance, 1948 (F.M.S.

No.

24 of 1948).

The work of the Board has been remammg completed and function of the Board is to publish the only 271 14 AUGUST 1961 '!72 in is no balance the weekly statement of ~urns received into and paid out of the Insurance Fund until the Fund itself is wound the up.
There Insurance Fund and there has been no receipt or payment since 5th April, 1957 and no further receipts or pay ments are expected.

The Fund has no assets.

The office and accounts of the Fund are, however, in Singapore and since the purpose of the Fund has been the Government of accomplished, Singapore has proposed that action should be taken to wind up the Fund.
to the work of this proposal, and The Federation Government has the agreed purpose of this Bill is to bring to an in end accordance with Clause 8 and to repeal the War Risks Insurance Enactment, 1941 and the War Risks (Goods) Insurance Ordinance, 1948.

Parallel legislation will be enacted by the State of Singapore.

the Board (Goods) The Bill is a straightforward one.

I do not propose, therefore, to elaborate on this Bill except to point out that the purpose of this Bill.
as I have already indicated, will not be achieved until Clauses 8.

9 and 10 come into force.

These Oauses, however, will come into force only when all out standing claims, if any, have been met and the report and audited statement of accounts have been duly published these in the Gazette.

As soon as Clauses are brought into force.

the principal Ordinance will be repealed in accordance with Oause 11 and the winding up of the Fund will then be complete.
I may also explain that this Bill takes account of the fact that the office of the Fund is in Singapore, and ·the liquidation of the Fund can most conveniently be performed there.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved into a Committee on the Bill.

itself Bill considered iri Committee.

(Mr. President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to /2 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.
· Bill reported without amendment: read the third time ahd passed.

mE EMPLOYMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL Second Reading Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Employment Ordinance, 1955" be read a second time.

Enche' Nik Hassan: Tuan Yang di Pertua, saya menyokong.

Enche' V. Manickavasagam: Mr. President, Sir, the main aim of the proposed amendments to the Employ to stipulate the ment Ordinance is minimum rates of overtime to be paid to workers.
When the Bill for the Employment Ordinance was discussed in 1953, the Legislative Council appointed a Select Committee to examine and report on the Bill.

On the question of overtime rates, the Committee was divided in its views as to whether these rates ought to be prescribed in the Bill itself.

It was the majority view that these rates should not be stipulated in the Bill but should be settled through collective bargaining, or arbitration, or.
where the workers are not effectively organised, by regulations under the Wages Councils Ordinance.

However, the Minority Report considered that as the workers in the Federation were not effectively organised to negotiate on this matter minimum rates should be provided f~r i!l the Bil1.

Th~ m~jority opinion prevailed and the Bill dtd not come to provide minimum rates of overtime.

However, Sir, it appears that the mere stipulation of the days and.
hours of work in the Employment Ordmance has not placed the worker in .a stror~g bargaining position as was envisaged m the Majority Report, and the trade unions have not been altogether suceessful .in negotiating and reac~ing agreement with employers on overtime - - - - - - - -----~--~-----------~ 273 14 AUGUST 1961 274 rates.
· Clauses 3 and 4 prescribe a minimum rate of one and a half times the normal rate of pay for work on the seventh day, and a minimum rate of one and a quarter times the normal rate of pay for work in excess of 48 hours, or 56 hours in the case of shift workers.

A minimum instead of an absolute rate has been prescribed, as an absolute rate will place an unfair burden on industries.
The the amendments merely minimum rates, and there is still room for workers to negotiate and obtain higher rates in industries which have a. better capacity to pay.

stipulate some Clause 6 The intention, however, is an amendment con cerning procedure.

Section 86 of the Employment Ordinance, as it stands, gives the impression that an employer or worker, having instituted proceed ings for any breach of a contract of service in a Labour Office, may not in any commence civil proceedings Court.
is that the employer or worker should have the alternative to bring a civil suit in any Court even though his case might be pending in the Labour Court.

Clause 6 enables this but contains the proviso that the plaintiff withdraw the proceedings instituted by him before for Labour prior to commencing action in a Court.

This would save unnecessary duplication of work for both the officers of the Ministry and the Courts.
the Commissioner for than Clause 7 therefore prescribes penal require employers who ties the to work more workers stipulated number of days or hours without paying the minimum rates of overtime.

The present law does not prescribe penalties for violations of the law reg;arding hours of work.

The lack of penalties has led to flagrant violations of this law, and we are unable infringing employers to task.

The amendments will give "teeth" to the law by pro viding penalties for infringement.
such take to Dato' G. Shelley: Mr. President, Sir, the _ provision,s of this Bill are most it una laudal;>le.. We.

will support nimously but -I am wondering whether in the existing establishment the to Labour Department is sufficient enforce · I cannot these provisions.
imagine, going down Batu Road, for instance, at six o'clock in the evening knowing that the men there had come to work at 10 o'clock in the morning and ·that they were being paid over time after six-from ten to six o'clock being eight hours prescribed by this Ordinance.

I sincerely hope that the if Parliament Bill will be enforced passes it.

It will certainly be a charter for those unfortunate employees who are at present working anything up to twelve hours a day in provision shops and kedais.
Enche' V. Manickavasagam: Mr. President, Sir, I can assure this House that we will do all our best to enforce the law.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

House immediately resolved.

itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.


(Mr. President in the Chair) · Clauses 1 to 7- Dato' J. E. S. Crawford: Mr. President, Sir, may I ask for some clarification from the Assistant Minister in regard to Clause 3 (2) which says:- "Any labourer who with the consent of his employer works ...... " "the consent of his What does employer" imply if a man works of his volition, not directed by his employer?

The fact that he works-does it mean with the employer's consent?

Could we have a clarification?


En~e' V. Manickavasagam: Sir, new Section 58 (1) says that no labourer shall be required to work on more than six days in any one week; and the second sub-section, of course, provides that it may be done with the consent of both the worker and the employer.

Dato' G. Shelley: Mr. President, Sir, include.

domestic term the does servants?

275 14 AUGUST 1961 276 Enche' V. Manickavasagam: No.

Question put, and agreed to.


erection of a permanent memorial to achievement of commemorate Merdeka.

the Clauses 1 to 7 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.
THE DISPOSAL OF PUBLIC FUNDS (STATE OF PENANG) BILL Second Reading Tun Leong Yew Kob: Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to provide for the winding up, administration and disposal of certain public funds known as the Sir Henry Gurney Memorial Fund, the Queen's Hall Fund and the Merdeka Celebrations Fund, established in the State of Penang and for matters incidental thereto" be read a second time.

Encbe' Nik Hassan: Tuan Yang di Pertua, saya menyokong.
Encbe' Tan Siew Sin: Mr. President, Sir, the purpose of this Bill is to wind up the funds known as the Sir Henry Gurney Memorial Fund, the Queen's Hall Fund and the Merdeka Celebra tions Fund which were established in the State of Penang during the period March, 1952 to May, 1957, as a result of _contri~utions from the public at vanous times.
These Funds were vested in Committees known as the Henry Gurney Memorial Fund Com the Queen's Hall Committee mittee, and the Merdeka Day Celebrations Finance and Supplies (including Ap peals) Sub-Committee respectively.

The Sir Henry Gurney Memorial Fund was set up for the purpose of establishing a circulating library with branches to serve the whole of the Fe?e!ation and also of providing youth trammg camps, centres and playing fields.
The purpose of the Queen's Hall Fund was to erect a concert and lecture hall while the Merdeka Cele brations Fund has as its objective the The sums raised by the respective Funds were found to be insufficient to carry out adequately the purposes for which they were established and a committee was set up by the Govern ment of Penang in May, 1958 to look into the possibility of pooling their resources and utilising the total sum obtained thereby for the erection of a building, Malayan in George Town to be used for purposes which will not constitute a departure in any major degree from the objects of these existing separate Funds.
The Committee the recommended respective Committees have accepted that the combined Funds be used for the construction of a civics centre to be known as "Dewan Sri Pinang."

in character, and In accordance with the wishes of the Penang Government, it is now desired to take action to wind up the existing three Funds amounting to $211,231 in all and to utilise the money available to build the Dewan Sri Pinang.
Legal advice has been sought and it is con the most satisfactory sidered method of carrying out the Penang Government's intentions would be by legislation.

Although admini stration of the Funds is not in Federal hands, it is considered that Federal legislation is appropriate in view of the fact that the item "Trusts" is m the Federal list of the Constitution.

that the Question put, and agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.
House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.

Bill considered in Committee.

(Mr. President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 7 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed.

Senate adjourned sine die at 3.45 p.m. 277 14 AUGUST 1961 278 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS KEMENTERIAN DALAM NEGERI Hari 'Wesak' 1.
Enche' Cheah Seng Khim: To ask the Minister of the Interior whether the Government will declare 'Wesak Day', the religious festival day celebrated by approximately 2,000,000 Budhists iil this country, a Federal Holiday.

that public holidays Menteri Dalam (Dato' Dr. Ismail bin Dato' Haji Abdul Rahman): The suggestion that Wesak Day should be declared a Federal Holiday in Malaya has been, frequently raised in the past, but it has not been found possible to agree to the proposal.
It should be explained in Malaya are already on a generous scale, in that there are 11 Federal holidays and, in addition, each State may declare 4 additional holidays on days selected by it.

It is not considered that it would be in the public interest to increase the number of holidays still further.

It must however be pointed out that in 1961 the States of Kedah, Pedis, Penang and Malacca have declared Wesak Day a State holiday.
KEMENTERIAN PEMBANGUNAN LUAR BANDAR Bantuan wang kerana Ranchangan Pembangunan Luar Bandar 2.

Enche' Da Abdul Jafil bin Haji Awang bertanya kapada Timbalan Perdana Menteri berapa banyak-kah bantuan2 baik berupa wang dan lain2- nya nari Kerajaan Persekutuan telah di-beri kapada tiap2 buah Negeri Melayu bagi ranchangan Pembangunan Luar Bandar bagi tiap2 Negeri itu, sa-hingga akhir bulan June, 1961.
Timbalan Perdana Menteri (Tun Haji Abdul Razak): Oleh kerana wang untok Pembangunan Luar Bandar lazim-nya di-bayar kapada Negeri2 sa telah di bagai ganti wang yang belanjakan oleh Negeri2 daripada wang nya sendiri kerana ranchangan2 itu, maka tidak-lah dapat di-beri angka2 yang di-minta itu sa-hingga siap ran changan2 pada akhir tahun nanti.

3.
3.

Enche' Da Abdul Jafil bin Haji Awang bertanya kapada Timbalan Perdana Menteri pemah-kah Kerajaan memberi bantuan terus kapada Jawat an-Kuasa Pembangunan Luar Bandar Daerah tidak menerusi J awatan-Kuasa Pembangunan Luar Bandar Negeri.

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Lazim-nya wang untok Pembangunan Luar Bandar di-beri menerusi Lembaga2 Pembang unan Luar Bandar Negeri untok ranchangan2 yang tertentu yang di perkenankan oleh Kerajaan Perse kutuan.
Ada kala-nya bantuan kapada sa-tengah2 ranchangan itu di-perkenan kan di-tempat ranchangan itu juga sa telah saya sendiri pereksa dan puas hati dengan-nya.

4.

Enche' Da Abdul Jalll bin Haji Awang bertanya kapada Timbalan Perdana Menteri di-bawah kekuasaan mana-kah bantuan kerana Ranchangan Pembangunan Luar Bandar dapat di beri terus dari Pusat ka-Jajahan2 dengan meninggalkan Negeri.

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Kuasa saya.

5.


Enche' Da Abdul Jalil bin Haji Awang bertanya · kapada Timbalan Perdana Menteri ada-kah menjadi dasar Kerajaan bagi menggalakkan jajahan2 membuat ranchangan sendiri dan meminta bantuan terus dari Pusat bagi melaksanakan ranchangan-nya dengan meninggalkan Negeri sa-bagai telah di-nyatakan oleh mana yang Timbalan Perdana Menteri di-Kema man Trengganu.
Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Ranchang an2 Pembangunan Luar Bandar Daerah telah di-siapkan pada tahun lalu menu rut atoran dalam 'Buku Merah' dan di-satukan jadi Ranchangan Negeri.
Apa yang telah saya chakapkan di Trengganu ia-lah oleh kerana Kerajaan Trengganu lama benar hendak meng adakan peruntokan dari wang-nya sendiri untok Ranchangan Jalan2 Kampong, yang akan di-ganti oleh Kerajaan Persekutuan, bagi Negeri2 saperti itu yang lengah menjalankan langkah, maka mustahak-lah satu2 Kerajaan Persekutuan menukarkan atoran mengganti balek itu dengan terus bagi satu2 atoran membayar ranchangan.
279 14 AUGUST 1961 280 KEMENTERIAN PENGANGKUTAN U pah yang di·bayar kapada Pemborong Keretapi, Ganesan & Co. 6.
Enche' Abdul Hamid bin Mahmud bertanya kapada Menteri Pengangkutan ia-itu:- · (a) Berapa banyak jumlah upahan yang di-bayar kapada Ganesan & Co. Ltd. kerana membawa barang2 dari Perhentian Kere tapi Kuala Krai ka-Seluroh negeri Kelantan dan akas-nya; (b) Ada-kah konterek itu di-beri dengan menerusi tender, dan berapa-kah jika bertender tender-nya bagi tahun 1961, dan kalau tidak di-tender apa kah sebab-nya; (c) Ada-kah di-chadangkan supaya di-tender bagi tahun 1962.
Menteri Pengangkntan (Dato' Sardon bin Haji Jubir): (a) Wang yang telah di-bayar dalam tahun 1960 kapada Pemborong hetong Keretapi, mengikut panjang berkenaan bulan2 dengan pengangkutan barang2 yang jauh-nya di-hadkan dari sa-buah · pusat ka-tempat2 di sekeliling-nya yang di-selang garakan di-antara Kuala Krai dengan Kota Bharu, mengikut muatan ia-lah $32,400 /·.

(h) Borongan ini telah di-beri tidak dengan jalan tender.
Sharikat ini telah di-minta oleh Per tadbiran Keretapi memulakan suatu chara pengangkutan ba rang2 yang jauh-nya di-hadkan dari sa-buah pusat ka-tempat2 sekeliling-nya dalam Kelantan, apabila suatu keputusan telah di-ambil menutup Penambang yang membawa barang2 di Palekbang/Kota Bharu.

Kerja ini sangat perlu dan penting di-waktu itu dan Sharikat ini telah di-minta menjalankan nya kerana pengalaman-nya selama lS tahun dalam perker jaan sechara ini.
(c) Peratoran baru sedang di-tim bangkan dan keputusan · tiada akan di-buat sa-hingga akhir tahun ini.

Perhentian Keretapi Bunut Busu 7.

Enche' Abdul Hamid bin Mahmud bertanya kapada Menteri Pengangkutan oleh kerana Perhentian Keretapi Bunut Busu yang ada sekarang serbaserbi-nya kurang, ada-kah Pentadbiran Keretapi berchadang hendak menggantikan dengan bangunan yang baharu, dan kalau tidak apa-kah sebab-nya.
Dato' Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Mengi kut hetong panjang, banyak penum pang2 yang naik di-Steshen Keretapi Bunut Busu di-dalam masa dua tahun yang sudah ia-lah 9,000 orang sa bulan dan bilangan penumpang ini menunjokkan semakin kurang.

Ada lab di-fikirkan bahawa steshen yang ada sekarang ini ada-lah memenohi maksud2-nya dan oleh itu Pertadbiran Keretapi tiada mempunyai chadangan2 hendak membena sa-buah steshen baru.

sebab Khidmatan Sharikat Penerhangan Malayan Airways Ltd. Kota Bharu/Pantai Barat 8.
Enche' Abdul Hamid bin Mahmud bertanya kapada Menteri Pengangkutan sa-kira-nya Malayan Airways dapat menjalankan perkhidmatan pada tiap2 hari dari Kota Bahru ka-pantai barat; dan kalau tidak, apa-kah sebab-nya.

tambahan Dato' Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Pada 4hb.

August, 1961 Sharikat Penerbang an Malayan Airways Ltd. telah memulakan penerbangan kedua terus ka-Kota Bahru dari Kuala Lumpur pergi ba)ek.
Dengan ini bermana-lah perhubongan dari Kota Bahru ka-Pantai barat Persekutuan ada pada tiap2 hari-lima kali ka-Pulau Pinang dan dua kali terus ka-Kuala Lumpur.

Perkhidmatan terus daripada Kuala Lumpur ka-Kota Bharu ia-lah pada hari Thalatha dan J umaat.

dan daripada Kota Bahru ka-Kuala.

Lum pur pada hari Ahad dan J umaat.

281 14 AUGUST 1961 282 KEMENTERIAN PELAJARAN Pendaftaran Sekolah2 Kebangsaan Ra'ayat di-Kelantan dan di-Trengganu 9.
Enche' Abdul Hamid bin Mahmud bertanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran:- (a) berapa buah-kah sekolah2 ke bangsaan ra'ayat yang maseh inenuriggu pendaftaran-nya di· Kelantan, dan negeri lain; Trengganu (b) bagaimana-kah kedudokan seko lah2 ini apabila pelajaran per chuma akan di-adakan dalam tahun 1962; (c) Apa-kah sebab-nya belum di luluskan pendaftaran tiga buah sekolah2 ra'ayat ia-itu Sekolah Ra'ayat Tok Ewa di-Bachok Sekolah Ra'ayat.
Chen<;>k di Pasir Mas dan Sekolah Bechah Keranji di-Kota Bahru pada hal hampir2 dua tahun sekolah2 itu minta di-daftarkan.

Menteri Pelajaran (Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib): (a) Pada masa ini ada sa-banyak 38 buah Sekolah2 Ra'ayat yang menantikan pendaftaran di· Kelantan dan di-Trengganu tetapi di-lain2 negeri tidak ada.

(b) Oleh kerana sekolah2 itu tidak mengenakan bayaran sekolah pada masa ini-ia juga akan dapat sekolah perchuma dalam tahun 1962.
(c) Sebab2 yang melambatkan pen daftaran sekolah2 tersebut ia lah kerana di-negeri Kelantan ada sa-banyak 85 buah Sekolah Ra'ayat yang mendapat ban tuan sa-paroh daripada Kera jaan, dan sa-lain daripada itu ada sa-banyak 38 buah Sekolah Ra'ayat.

Sedangkan 85 buah sekolah tadi, soal pendaftaran nya memakan masa yang sangat panjang bagi men yelideki tiap2 sa-buah sekolah itu.
Saya perchaya 3 buah sekolah yang di-maksudkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu ada-lah · di-terima di-dalam jumlah Sekolah2 Ra'ayat yang sedang.

menunggukan pen daftaran.

Murid2 Form V di-Kelantan, Trengganu dan Pahang 10.

Enche' Abdul Hamid bin Mahmud bertanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran:- (a) berapa-kah banyak-nya murid2 dalam Form V di-Kelantan, Trengganu dan Pahang.
(b) memandangkan payah dan jauh nya perhubongan antara Kelan tan dan Pantai Barat, ada-kah Keranjaan akan menimbang kan supaya di-adakan kelas Form VI di-Kelantan.

Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: (a) Jumlah murid2 di-dalam Form V pada masa ini di-dalam negeri2 ia-lah sa-bagai di-bawah berikut:- ini Kelantan Trengganu Pahang 224 orang 74 231 (b) Kementerian saya sedang me nimbang untok menubohkan Form VI di-negeri2 Pantai Timor.
Tetapi hingga pada masa ini belum-lah dapat di laksanakan oleh kerana jumlah chalun2 yang berkelayakan sangat kurang bagi membuka kelas yang sa-umpama itu.

Saya suka menegaskan, saperti pada masa yang lampau, Kementeri an saya akan terus menerus tempat2 dalam menyediakan Form VI.

bagi murid2 ber kelayakan dari Pantai Timor dengan membiayai pelajaran mereka itu dan menyediakan tempat2 di-dalam asrama2 di dalam kelas2 Form VI di Sekolah di-Pantai Barat.

Penyata Nazir Bebas 11.


Enche' Abdul Hamid bin Mahmud bertanya kapada Menteri 283 14 AUGUST 1961 284 Pelajaran kapada siapa-kah penyata sa-saorang Nazir Bebas itu mesti di-' hantar dan boleh-kah ia hantar terus kapada Ketua Pegawai Pelajaran.

Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: Nazir2 Bebas mengirimkan laporan mereka terus kapada saya dan salinan2 penyata itu ada-lah di-kirim kan juga, dengan kebenaran saya, kapada Ketua Pegawai Pelajaran.

Biasiswa untok mahasiswa2 di-University Azhar 12.


Enche' Abdul Hamid bin Mahmud bertanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran ber chadang mengadakan biasiswa2 kapada mahasiswa2 yang sedang belajar di University Azhar, Kaherah.

ada-kah Kerajaan Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: Memang Kerajaan ada-lah mengambil perhatian dalam soal ini.

KEMENTERIAN KESIHATAN DAN KEBAJIKAN MASHARAKAT Pengelola Masakan (steward) Rumah Sakit 13.
Enche' Abdul Hamid bin Mahmud bertanya kapada Menteri Kesihatan dan Kebajikan Masharakat berapa orang-kah Pengelola2 Masakan Rumah Sakit di-Persekutuan Tanah Melayu.

Talipon di-rumah Pegawai Perubatan Rumah Sakit Kota Bharu 14.

Enche' Abdul Hamid bin Mahmud bertanya kapada Menteri Kesihatan dan Kebajikan Masharakat ada-kah doktor2 yang berkhidmat di Rumah Sakit Kota Bharu yang tidak mempunyai talipon di-rumah2 mereka dan kalau ya, berapa jumlah-nya yang tidak mempunyai talipon dan apa sabab-nya.
Dato' Ong Yoke Lin: Ada.

Ada enam orang Pegawai Perubatan di Rumah Sakit Kota Bharu yang tidak ada talipon di-rumah.

Urusan hendak memasokkan talipon ka-rumah mereka sedang di-jalankan.

Atendan di-Rumah Sakit Kota Bharu IS.

Enche' Abdul Hamid bin Mahmud bertanya kapada Menteri Kesihatan dan Kebajikan Masharakat berapa orang-kah atendan Iaki2 Grade I, II, III dan Perengkat Khas yang berkhidmat di-Rumah Sakit Kota Bharu dan berapa-kah tangga gaji mereka.
Dato' Ong Yoke Lin: Atendan Rumah Sakit Laki2, 34 38 39 2 Grade I Grade II Grade III Special Grade Menteri Kesihatan dan Kebajikan Masharakat (Dato' Ong Yoke Lin): Ada 6 orang Pegawai Dapor (steward) di-Persekutuan Tanah Melayu.

Atendan Rumah Sakit gaji-nya di bayar menurut tangga gaji yang telah di-bentangkan di-dalam buku 'Federa tion of Malaya Schemes of Service 1956.'