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KINGDOM OF LESOTHO ELEVENTH PARLIAMENT NATIONAL ASSEMBLY Daily Hansard (Official Report) FIRST SESSION SECOND MEETING Friday, 2nd May 2023 (Unrevised) NATIONAL ASSEMBLY CHAMBER Friday, 2nd June, 2023 The House assembled at 9.00 a.m. (HON.

DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair) PRAYER The Chaplain led the House in Prayer HON.

H. LETŠABA (PR): Ntlha ea Tsamaiso, Mohlomphehi.

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Ntlha ea Tsamaiso ka Setho se Khabane Honourable Letšaba.

HON.
HON.

H. LETŠABA: kea leboha Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.
Ke bona eka ha re bala ka mona ba lehlakore la ’Muso ho bonahala ba fokola haholo leha ba ee ba re buee hampe ba re rona ba Bohanyetsi ka mona ha re sebetse ’moho le bona empa re bona e le bona ba lieang quorum hobane joale ho bonahala eka ke Litho tse sa hlompheng Paramente, ’me quorum hore ebe teng ke hobane Litho tsena ka mona li teng hore Paramente ena e tsoele-pele, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, ’me ka ’nete e se eka Litho tsena tse ka lehlakoreng la puso ho ka buua le tsona ka thata hore li hlomphehi Paramente ena, Mohlomphehi.
Kea leboha.

[Liatla] RT.

HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Setho se Khabane, ruri u hlahile ka taba ea bohlokoa.

Kea kholoa mohlomong e tla mpe ebe feela hore ke eketse le hore le ’na ke shebile ha ke kena ka utloa ke khoehla mangole hore na ho etsahalang ka batho ba baholo hobane ke bone ehlile ho khoehlile mahlakore kaofela kajeno, u paki ea ka hore ho hlile ho joalo.

Ha ho ea lokela hobe joalo.

Ma-Paramente a lokela hore a tle Paramenteng.


Ke hona mona moo ba sebetsang teng, ’me ruri taba ena leha re ka e bua re ntse re kanna ra e bua ka bokhoa o bobebenyana raba ra tšeha ka eona feela kannete ehlile o hlahile ka taba e kholo haholo.

Ma-Paramente a lokela a hlomphe sechaba sa Basotho se ba rommeng mona Paramenteng batle Paramenteng.

Next item, Mr.

Clerk.

TABLING OF REPORTS Hansard: Thursday,2nd June, 2023 Page 1 i.
Report of the Portfolio Committee of the Social Cluster on the Counter Domestic Violence Bill, 2022; Tabled by Hon.

Z.

(Chairperson of the Committee).

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Report of the Portfolio Committee on the Prime Minister’s Ministries and Departments, Governance, Foreign Relations and Information Cluster on the Members of Parliament (Amendment of Schedule) Regulations, 2023 and the Statutory Salaries (Amendment of Schedule) 2023.

Regulations, (Hon.

Chairperson of the Committee).


To lie upon the Table; and to be published.

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Next item, Mr Clerk.

PROCEEDINGS ON SUBSTATIVE MOTIONS AND BILLS MOTION 45.

RE-INTRODUCTION OF SCHOOLS IN THE INDIVIDUAL BIDDERS PROCESS PROGRAMME.

FEEDING HON.

M. S. LEHATA (Makhaleng): Kea leboha, Honourable Speaker.
I rise to move that this Honourable House resolves to urge the Government to review the current practice of awarding contracts to large scale caterers and suppliers and re-introduce the process whereby individual caterers in the vicinity of schools bid for catering contracts on a rotational basis as a means to stimulate the economy.

Mohlomphehi, empa feela e le hore re kope Ntlo e Khabane hore e kope ’Muso hore o shebe hore na re ka se khutlele mokhoeng oa pele.

Kopo ea ka ha se e ncha.


Pele nakong eo ’Muso o neng o tsoa ka hare ho ho fepa likolo ho isa lijo o ile oa hlaha ka hore batsoali ba bana ba metse eno e mono ba ikete ebe ba ea pheha.

Ho ne ho tsebahala hore na o lefshoa bokae ka khoeli ha a phehela bana ba bakae ho latela manane a sekolo.

Re ne re bona moruo o ba teng sebakeng seno seo likoli li leng ho sona hobane ho ne ho e-na le batho ba sebetsang, ba hlahisang.
At that time there was a menu oo ho tla thoe Mantaha bana ba tla ja papa ka lebese, Labobeli papa ka moroho le lehe, Labone ho hong.

There was a balanced diet at schools at that time eo ’Muso o neng o fana ka eona joale eba batsoali ba eketsa empa hona joale u bona Hansard: Thursday,2nd June, 2023 Page 2 ho iketa li-company tse kholo tse reng li ka khona ho isa lijo tse kae likolong joale ba li isa per district kapa per senders ebe ba hira batho ba phehang ba fepang bana.
E leng hore batho ba motse hoa bona e se eba matsoho le patsi feela joale ba fumana li-salary tse ngane tse sa chencheng maphelo a bona metseng mono.

Ebile ha ho sana le the balance diet, e se e le setampo neng-neng ke linaoa ha hona lebese like it used to.

Taba ena ke ne ke re re ke re e shebe hore pele hone ho ena le hore na ke batho ba mokhahlelo o feng ba ka etsang cater ho account ea eona o na le bokae, are you going to afford to buy stock sa pele o fepe u lefshoe ebe o tsoela-pele ka ho fepa.
Ho ne ho ntse ho ena le li-challenge tse joalo tsa hore ’Muso o ne o lieha ho lefa neng- neng ba kolotile Makuleng, ’me Makula a se a ba ja chelete and other things but now we have banks tse seng li khona hore with a contract eo u nang le eona they can pay for you for the grocery ebe hau lefshoa ba hula ea bona oa salloa e le uena a contractor or a caterer.

E leng hore bophelo bo se bo le bobebe hoo re ka khutlelang mane moo re ka nyollang moruo metseng eno eo likolo li leng hona teng.
Ntho e monate ea taba eno ke ea hore ha u tsoha u re motho ea phehang sekolong mono u tlo hloka linaoa kapa lierekisi hona motseng mono ho se ho lengoa linaoa hore ba tsebe hore ’maraka o teng sekolong.

E mong o lema lierekisi hobane a tseba hore ’maraka o teng sekolong.

E mong o ruoa likhoho tsa mahe hobane a tseba hore ’maraka o teng sekolong.

Ba bang ba ruoa likhomo tsa lebese hobane ba tseba hore ’maraka o teng sekolong.
Taba eno e ne e etsa hore hobe le bahlahisi ba bangata ba bang ba ruoa likhomo tsa lebese ba tseba hore maraka o teng sekolong.

Ka hona taba eo e ne e etsa hore ho be le bahlahisi ba bangata metseng mane ba tsebang hore na mmaraka ba tla u fumana kae.

Even the caters by himself or herself o ne a atleha hore ha na le mobu a qalelle ho hlahisa tseo a tla il’o fepa ka tsona li tsoa mobung a sa tsoa li reka kae kae.

Ka hona e ne e nyolla profit margin ea mophehi ea joalo.
Mohlomphehi, we used to see batho ba phehang u bona ntlo ea 2 roomed e se e nyoloha, u bona wardrobe e kena ka van rona batho ba mahaeng, bophelo bo ba teng.

But with the salary eo a e fumanang ho latela palo ea bana, ba bang ba fumana bo- M900, ba bang M1000 – M2000 ka khoeli, a tsoha hoseng a batla le motho ea mo thusang ho kha metsi ebe ba e arola, ka hona they are getting peanuts now.

Joale motho ea fumanang chelete ke the big supplier.
Enoa ea ke keng a kena lipakeng tsa chelete ha nakong ea pele e ne e le ’Muso and the small caters but now is the Government, big supplier and then cater e nyanyana motseng mane eo e seng e Hansard: Thursday,2nd June, 2023 Page 3 sebelisa feela matsoho a eona.

E leng hore chelete eno e lokela ho ea mane tlaase bathong ho na le batho ba e jang lipakeng mona, bao re reng is high time re tlose that middle men… HON.

T. MAKHALANYANE (Abia): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.
Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng se ntse se bua hantle feela ke kopa hore se ke se hlalosetse Ntlo ena e Khabane hore na leano lena le neng le le letle hakaale- kale leo a bileng le ntseng le bontša hore mahe le lebese li ne le eba teng, ebe le ne le hlakoleloeng hobane ka tumelo ea ka ke bona ba hlileng ba ileng ba le tlosa ka ’Muso oa bona o fetileng?

Kea leboha.

HON.

M. LEHATA: There is a challenge eo ke eng ke e bone ha eso koana, Setho se Khabane sa Abia… HON.

MEMBER: Potso!

Potso… HON.


M. LEHATA: Ke sa araba, lula fatše ke tla u fa.

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: E ntse e nepahetse.

Ke ha ho nepahetse haholo ha thahasello e le kholo holim’a taba ea bohlokoa, ’me ehlile ke hantle.

Feela ha ke hopotse Setho se Khabane hore re na le tumellano e entsoe hona kamona ka Ntlong e Khabane ea hore haeba Setho se ka sa ema ka ntlha ea tsamaiso, re emele hore karabo e be teng.
Ka mokhoa o tšoanang ha Setho se ka ema ka potso, re emele hore ea ntseng a bua a arabe, joale le rona re kope potso ha eo e fetile.

E leng hore ke khothalletsa hore thahasello eona e be holimo litabeng tsa sechaba feela re nelehetsane hantle, e sene e suthelana.

Tsoalapele, Setho se Khabane.

HON.

M. LEHATA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Setho se Khabane sa Ha-Abia potso ea sona e ntle haholo.
Kea kholoa Setho se Khabane se tla hlokomela hore there was a member of Abia Constituency Paramenteng e fetileng esitana le ea Paramente ea pele ho mono.

There reason why after five (5) years ho bang le likhetho, it is because we amend the laws which has been done by other Parliamentarians, [liatla], ebe joale bophelo bo tsoalapele.
Joale ha u ntse u ea pele, u tla bona hore taba ena e tla ba ntle but there are some challenges, I have to change, ha u ea pele hape, I have to change that is the purpose of the General Election after five years.

Ke ee ke joetse batho hore u hola heno tšimo e ka letsoapong ho lengoa poone ’m’e e chaoa.
Joale ha u re u se u bona motho e mong thoteng mane a lemme mabele a chaile, u se u utloa eka tsimo eane eno e ka letsoapong e ka chaea mabele, u se u tlohella poone o ea mabeleng, u fihle ebe ha u kotule hantle, u kotula talane.

Joale ebe be u qetelle u khutletse pooneng hape.

E leng hore ka nako e ’ngoe ntho Hansard: Thursday,2nd June, 2023 Page 4 tse ling re lokela hore re li shebe re leke mona re hlolehe re khutle.
Empa ha ke ntse ke tsoelapele Setho se Khabane sa Lithoteng se ka ’na sa ema ke tla mo fa le eena.

Mohlomphehi, ke ne ke re taba eo ke ne ke bona e thusa haholo bakeng sa moruo le ho etsa hore ’maraka o be teng esitana le hore batho ba tsebe ho hlahisa.

Joale ’Muso hona joale ka lebaka la moruo ke moo batho ba bangata ba tlo etsa benefit haholo.
Ke hore ba ’Muso ba khethileng ba tl’o tla ba fumana haholo hobane ha Party ena e ne e fihla, ke ne kee ke tšehe ke re ha u fihla motseng, motho ea ruletseng ka tiles, a nang le tractor, ea nang terekanyana, ea nang le shopo, ho fihla ho thoe morui ke enoa ka baruing ka mona.

Ha ke re ke morui oa motse [litšeho].

Ka hona most of them ba ile ka that idea hore ha u fihla motseng polateng mona, tile, shopong, taxing, joale ba re motho eo ke morui ka hona ha kenelle.
Joale motho enoa ke morui oa motseng [litšeho].

Ehlile le ha u bona batho bano ba tla tseba hore ba be le sekepele se hlakahalang hore ba atlehe ho pheha.

Hobane I remember ha se tla koaloa ho ne ho thoe motho in the bank account a be a ne le M10 000.

Joale hona joale theko ea lijo e nyolohile, ho bolela hore ho ka ’na eaba e tlo nyolohela ho M20 000 kapa ho feta hore he will able to cater for sekolo ka coder e itseng ha e na le budget e itseng.
Ka hona e tlo tla e etsa empower Basotho feela e seng ba lona feela hobane re ntse re na le barui motseng mane le rona [litšeho].

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Honourable Member.

HON.
HON.

M. MPUTI (Maputsoe): Honourable Speaker, ke ema mona ka point of order, ke hlokomela hore Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng se ntseng se bua litaba se bonahala se bile se tšoere ka thata litabeng tsa temo, ha se bua litaba tsena tsa hae, ha se etsa refer ho baruinyana, u ntse a supa ka mona ka lehlakoreng la’Musong.

Ka hona ke ne ke re ruri taba eo ha ea nepahala, Mohlomphehi, kopa hore Setho se Khabane se hule matsoho ano.

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HON.
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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Setho se Khabane, Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng se re sona ha se ntse se re moruinyana ha se re uena.

Joale ke tla mo botsa hore na u ntse a re mang?

E leng hore ehlile moruinyana ha ea nepahala hantle.

Tsoelapele, Setho se Khabane.

HON.

M. LEHATA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ka hobane ke right ha ke left, hangata ha ke bua ke sekamela ka ho right.

Ruri ha se le hore kea supa empa ke hula lentsoe baruinyana bane ba metseng mane.
Empa motho ea left hangata o sekamela ka moo a leng kateng joale ’na ke tla sekamela ka ’Musong, it means ke ntse ke tla ka right ha ke etsa tjena.

Hansard: Thursday,2nd June, 2023 Page 5 Ka hona, Honourable Speaker, ke ne ke re ke taba e khutšoane eo Basotho ba llang hona joale hore bana ba bona ha ba fepuoe hantle.

There is no balance diet like it use to be.

Ka hona ke kopa hore re ke re khutleng, re khutleleng mokhoeng oane oo ’Muso o neng o fana ka menu joale Mosotho motseng mane a fepa.
Ke hore ha hona nako e monate eo ho neng ho fepa motsoali ho fepa ngoana hae.

’Muso o ne o lefa motsoali ho fepa ngoana oa hae.

Ke re ha ho na monna ea lefang mosali oa hae ho fepa bana bah ae, na u teng!

We do not pay our wives ho fepa bana ba rona feela ’Muso o ne o lefa motsoali ho fepa ngoana oa hae.

So that is the good policy, eo ke kopang hore re khutleleng ho eona, moo ebang mathata a ne a le teng rea lokise.

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Potso ka Setho se Khabane sa Lithoteng.

HON.
HON.

K. LETLAILANA (Lithoteng): Kea leboha, Honourable Speaker.

Potso eo ke e botsang Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng ke hore na molemo oa ho hlaka holim’a taba eo a ntseng a e teka, a ka ka a fa Ntlo e Khabane linako tsa hore na policy ena e qalile neng, ea emisa neng, hona se ithutileng eng?

E le hore re tle re tsebe ho utloisisa hore na mohlomong ke hobaneng Setho se Khabane se bona ho le bohlokoa ho sisinya Tlhahiso ena.

Kea leboha.

HON.
Kea leboha.

HON.

M. LEHATA: If I remember well, the policy, I want to be honest, Honourable Member for Lithoteng, this policy e fetohile ka selomo sa 2015 kapa 2016, pusong ea ka.

The minister if I remember well was the Honourable Member for Matlakeng, re sa le ’moho.

Ka selemo sa 2017 I was not able to raise it because ke ne ke le hae ke ne ke se ke hlokometse hore e na le mathata but I lost eaba ke lula hae.
Joale ka bona mathata ho feta lebatho ka buisana le bona ka hona ka hlokomela hore ena e ncha ea li-company tsena tse lieang le ho fepa, nako e ’ngoe lijo tseno li ne li sa fihle likolong.

The principal li sitoa hore li qose company eno hobane e ikarabella ’Musong, It has been centralized.

Lijo ha li le sieo mane tichere ha e tsebe hore na e bua le mang.

Empa ka nako ena ea motsoali oa motseng, tichere would say tsatsing lena ke Labone and tichere would count.
Ka hona taba ea accountability e ne e le teng ho cater le sekolo empa hona joale ha ho na accountability.

Matichere a tlatsa li-form hore lijo li bile teng li sa ba teng ebe ba fumana meqathane.

HON.

MEMBERS: Meqathane keng joale?

HON.

M. LEHATA: Ke kopa ho hula lentsoe meqathane.

Ho se ho na le corruption e ngata eo ho tla thoe a certain package ea lijo e bile teng sekolong e sa ka ba teng, bana ebe ba lokolloa kapelenyana sekolong hobane ho se na lijo tsa motšeare.
Taba eno e etsa compromise taba ea thuto ea bana.

Hansard: Thursday,2nd June, 2023 Page 6 RT.

HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Potso ka Setho se Khabane, Honourable Rakuoane.

HON.

ADV.

L. RAKUOANE (PR): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ke kopa ho botsa Setho se Khabane potso e ntlha li peli feela.
Potso ea pele kea hore na e ’ngoe ea mathata e ne e se hore matichere a beha metsoalle ea bona ese feela metsoalle, u fumane hore batho bano ba hiroang, hantle mong’a khoebo eno ke oona matichere ano a sekolo, joale ba beha batho bana ba Molimo bao e leng bona ba behoang ho etsoa eka ke bona ba iketang e le hore le eona e ne e na le bothata bo, joale potso ea ka ke hore na Setho se Khabane se ka reng ka taba eno.
Ntlha e kholo ea botle ba teng ke hore na leano leno haeba ke hopola hantle, ho na le Letona le Khabane le kileng la tsamaea kapa le ne le bile le etsoa Brazil koana, e le moo ho neng ho bontšoa hore local economy e thusoa ka mokhoa oona na?

Joale ke re na Setho se Khabane se ka reng hobane ehlile morero e ne e hlile e le hore ho holisoa local production ka hore likolo li iphepe ka hore community e be eona e fepang, ke hore ho bile le leeto le ileng la nka na ’me Setho se Khabane se ka reng ka litaba tseo?
HON.

M. LEHATA: Ke tla lumellana le uena, Honourable Rakuoane hore ho na le moo le matichere a neng a se a etsa misuse taba eno ka hore ba behe ka pele batho ba bona ebe qetellong ho ea fumaneha hore hantle ke tichere e ntseng e etsa cater ka hore motho ea fumaneng tender ke oa hae, tjena, e mong e ne e re ha qeta ho fumana tender a se na muscle o mokaalo-kaalo, tichere o fihla a kena a re oa mo thusa.
But haeba ba le seahlolong hobane a fumana motho ea mo thusang, I do not think there is a problem with that hobane joale eno e ne e thusa empa taba e kholo kea hore mono ke fuluoa, ho nkoa ka lotho.

Le hona joale le batho ba ntseng ba pheha ho nkuoa ka lotho.

Ha u tla u nkile No: 1 ke uena ea tl’o pheha, No:2 o pheha selemong se tlang, joalo joalo ho latela hore na likolo li hlophile joang.

Ke sa re e ne e le programme ea lilemo tse tharo.

Le hona joale tjena number 3 joalo.


Ke sa re e ne e le programme ea three years.

Le hona joale ho tsoa hore na ke bo-mang bat la pheha selemong sena.

Le se tlang joalo, joalo, hofihlela ho sa boraro.

Ka sena sa boraro ho boetsoe ho etsoa tendering again for the next three years joalo-joalo.

E ne e thusa hore ebe le ba tlang kamor’ao ebe ba ea itokisa.
Le haeba ba hiriloe selemo se le seng, re ntse re re re etse hore motho a tsebe hore next year ke ‘na e le hore bah le ba itokise ba tsebe ho hlaisa lijo e le hore nako eno ha e fihla ba be ba itokisitse.

The local economy ea study tours ha that programme e tla qala ebe joale e se e le policy ea ‘Muso, ehlile e ne e le hona ho thusa batho metseng mane hore ba hlahise.
Hansard: Thursday,2nd June, 2023 Page 7 I remember ho ne ho se ho na le mokhoa oa hore bo libakeng tse ling, likolong tse thabeng, ka lebaka la transportation ea ho tlisa bohobe, ho be ho bile ho jeoa bo bohobe (loaves), ba ne ba se ba ahetsoe lionto tsa Sesotho hore ka letsatsi la bohobe ba etse supply likolong bohobe bo-fresh bo tsoang liontong.

HON.

T. MOSETLOLO (Mount-Moorosi): Potso!

HON.

M. S. LEHATA: Ke ea mo fa Mohlomphehi.

HON.


T. MOSETLOLO (Mount-Moorosi): Mohlomphehi potso ea ka ke hore na ebe hlokomelong ea hao ha e le mona poleiti e ntse e le bo-M3 maloti maemong a, joale le budget ea ‘Muso e batla e fokola ha e tla tabeng ea bana ba likolo, ebe ntlafatsong ee u ka reng?

U ke se khothaletse le eona taba ea hore motion joale ha se u o tšetšetha u le mong u sa re siele hore re u thuso.

Akú cho re na ebe e ka ea ho kae.

HON.

M. S. LEHATA [Makhaleng].


Programme ena ha e tla fetoloa e tla mona moo eleng teng, ho ne ho se ho na le concern ea hore poleiti joale e se e le tlaase ka theko ho feta matla a theko.

Le ha ho le joalo ha u fepa bana ba bangata, any small profit ha e kopana e etsa chelete e betere e etsang hore bophelo bo be teng.

Hona joale the Government of Lesotho e ea tseba hore na petrol e nyolohile ha kae, oil e nyolohile ha kae.
Joale o ka etsa access hore na lijo ekaba M5, 7M, kapa M10 based on the budget le hore na moruo o eme joang le ho thusana hore ebe batho bano ba fumana mokhoa oa ho phela o motle empa o sa tšoane le ha motho a le mmarakeng shopong ho reka lijo.

E ntse li le tlaase hobane ke mosebetsi oa selemo kaofela.

Eleng hore Paramente le eona, re tla tlatsa Letona ha le kopa chelete hore le eo sebetsa hobane re tseba hore na le eo fepa bana ka policy e joang, chelete e le bokae per ngoana ka letsatsi.
Ke bone hore hoseng ba ja lesheleshele ha ba fihla.

E leng hore le khutsane eane e lapeng joale nkhono a e-so khole chelete ea penchele, ngoana ha a fihla sekolong ha a fihle ka tlala.

Le haeba a sa ja hoseng, hon a le lesheshele ‘me motšeare oa ja o ea hae.

Eleng hore taba ena e ntse e thusa le hore bana ba mafutsana le ba likhutsana ebe ho ntse ho kenngoa letsoho sekolong mono hoo le ngoana a qetellang a rata hoe a sekolong hobane there is food at school than at home.
Hape taba ena e etsa promote education ho ngoana.

Ke batla hore ke tle ke etse mohlala ka taba e ileng ea etsahala.

Ha programme e ntse e tsoela-pele, lekala la Social Development le ile la hlaha ka policy eo eleng kamora khoeli tse tharo batho ba phelang le likhutsana ka hara motse ba neng ba fumana staepent se se nyane joalo ka bo-M180, M450 joalo holatela hore na banaba ba kae ka tlung.
Sepheo sa eona e Hansard: Thursday,2nd June, 2023 Page 8 ne e le hore re entse free primary education, there is food at school, but there is no vaseline at home, ka hona ha re etseng hore ngoana enoa a fihle sekolong a itlotsitse joaloka oa motho e mong le e mong a se ke a tšaba hoe a sekolong hobane vaseline e le sieo.

Hantle re leka ho etsa compensate hore le ngoana oa mofutsanafutse le oa khutsanakhutse, ha a ea sekolong a hlahe hantle joalo ka ngoana e mong le e mong.
Eleng hore access taba eo e ba access to education to all e be ke ntho e etsahalang.

To our constitution kea kholoa e hlaha Section 26.

Ka hona ke ne ke mpa feela ke kopa hore haeba Setho se Khabane sa Abia le batla hore leano lena le letle le ileng la fetoloa… HON.

M. PHOOKO (PR): Potso!

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Potso ka Setho se Khabane Mohlomphehi Phooko.

HON.

M. PHOOKO: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng ka litaba tse monate.

Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.


Ke mametse Mohlomphehi Makhaleng ka tlhoko haholo ha a bua litaba tseo a li tsebang.

Ke hopola hore na leano lena le lecha le ne le etsoa hobaneng, ho ne ho shebiloe taba ea theko.

Joale ke batla hore u ke u ntjoetse hore na taba e neng e shebiloe ea economies of scale, u bona eka ha re e khutlisetsa morao re tla e sebetsa joang na?

HON.
HON.

M. S. LEHATA: The economy like Honourable Phooko a bua ka eona, profit which is centred to a bigger supplier can be shared by a small caterous, with the same price.

That profit can be shared by the same caterer with the same price.
What I am trying to say ke hore theko e nyolohile, joale le motho ea etsang tender, o ntse a etsa joalo based on the process of …Le ‘Muso o tla fana ka the menu, price is based on the prices of the day le hore ho utloahale hore li tla theoha hanyane hobane ke mosebetsi oa nako e telele.

It is not ntho e tšoanang le ea batho ba covid -19 ba plates tsa M300.00.

Do you remember that?

Coke was M200.

Ho ena motho u fumana mosebetsi oa selemo joale plate ke M10.00.

You take it or leave it.


Some people take it because there is a lot of profit than the salary e nyane eo ba e fumanang.

Ha u ka sheba the minimum wage, le batho ba lefshoa mono ke the company, ba lefshoa chelete e nyane ho feta minimum wage of the country.

Ha ho na …o tsamaisang mono.

Sekolo ha se le se nyane u lefelloa lenane, ha e le bana ba fifty you get M500 or M600.00 sekolong seno.

Mane moo motho a phehang at least they will make a good margin ho latela hore na bana ba ba kae.
Ka hona ke etsa thapeli Honourable Speaker le Ntlo e Khabane hore haeba… Hansard: Thursday,2nd June, 2023 Page 9 HON.L.

HLAPISI (Maliepetsana): Potso!

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Potso ka Setho se Khabane sa Maliepetsane.

HON.

L. HLAPISI: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Potso ke hore Setho se Khabane se bolela hore phepo ee e khutlele likolong hape, re tla bona lenane la bana le boela le eketseha likolong tsa mathomo ka tsela eo e neng e le ka teng na?

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L. HON.
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MR. SPEAKER: Pheta potso hape Mohlophehi.

HON.

HLAPISI: Ke lebohile Mohlomphehi.

Ke re na Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng se bolela hore re ka bona roll ea bana e phahame e lekana le nako ea ho feta nakong eo likolo li neng li ntse li fepa ka holatela hlaloso ea hae na?

HON.

M. S. LEHATA: Indeeed!

Karabo ke yes.

Ke tla etsa mohlala.


Haeso Matsieng ka holima sehlaba, I grew up bana ba teng ba kena sekolo se motseng, hona joale ho se ho na le batsoali ba lefella bana likoloi b aba isang likolong bo-Morija every day ba khutla.

Lebaka ke hore there is no food at school.

Ba etsetsa bana lijo tse ntle ha a ea sekolong sa private.
Ke leka ho bontša hore taba eno e etsa hore roll le eona e theohe likolong tse haufinyane ebe joale batsoali ba kena litšenyehelong tse ngata ke ho batla better education, better quality of food eo bana ba e jang likolong tse private.

Joale ehlile e tla nyolla li-roll tse teng tse tla etsa hore le ‘Muso o hire litichere tse ngata tse ntseng li etsa loitering hobane roll li tlaase, grants ha li tsoe, thuto e ntse e theoha metseng mane.
Bahlomphehi, ke mpa ke re haeba leano lena le ile la fetoha nakong eo ke leng karolo ea puso, ka se Roma ke tla re ke molato oa ka ke molato oa ka o moholo, le ha ho le joalo ke kopa tšoarelo, ke re re khutleng temeng re eo thusa hore moruo o hole mane metseng.

Re eo thusa hore thuto e nyolohe, re eo thusa hore bana bap hele hantle ba be ba je hantle.

Kea leboha ha ke chulo joalo Mohlomphehi kea sisinya [Liatla].

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Who seconds?

HON.

M. MASOETSA (PR): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.


Ka ‘nete ha ke na mabaka a ho se tlatse Setho se Khabane kamora eloquently a bee taba ena, ‘me ke litaba tseo re li bonang koana moo re phelang teng metseng.

Tlala ea bojalikata mane metseng, batho re seng re bile re le sieo koana limmaeneng re ne re re ke eona karolo eo ha chelete e ileng ea ba teng ea deffered pay joale ke tla ba off ka weekend ha ke fihla ke reka mokotla, ke siea ho na le tsoekere ebe litaba tseno li etsa hore motho a phele.
Hansard: Thursday,2nd June, 2023 Page 10 Tsena tsa sekolo tsa mahe a likolopata e ne e se e le supplement tsa Morena Leabua.

Hei!

Ho kile ha khoroa banna naheng ena.

Ka hona ka ‘nete Mohlomphehi oa ka ke re taba eo, ngoana ha a khotše hantle, a jele hantle a tšoana le bana ba bang.
Question Proposed caterers to urge this Honourable House resolves and individual caterers the current practice of awarding contracts the Government That large to to review process scale whereby for catering contracts on a rotational basis as a means to stimulate the economy.

HON.

PROF. N. RAPAPA (Minister of Education and Training): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ka ‘nete leano la phepo ea bana likolong… the schools bid suppliers in the vicinity of re-introduce and HON.
M. C.TEKANE (Phoqoane):Ntlha ea tsamaiso Setho se Khabane sa Phoqoane.

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso Setho se Khabane sa Phoqoane.

HON.

M.C.TEKANE (Phoqoane): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Ntlha ea tsamaiso eo ke emang ka eona ke ea hore Motion oona oa Mohlomphehi Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng o motle oo re o mametseng, ke na le bo-‘nete ba hore Mohlomphehi Phiro o… HON.
PROF. N. RAPAPA (Minister of Education and Training): Kea kholoa ke hore na ha u re u molata, ebe taba eo e hlaloseha joang, ke tla ke ke ithute eona.

Ke tseba hore ba ikitile, `me eaba ba fuoa mosebetsi, ebile ke fihla ba se ntse ba sebetsa.

E `ngoe e kholo eo ke buileng ka eona ke hore ho latela leano lena, likolo tse lekholo le mashome a robeli a metso e `meli (182) li se li tlò thusoa.
Li tlò thusoa ke Catholic Relief Services, ke eona e seng ikarabella likolong tseno tse kaalo, `me ma-America a kentse letsoho.

E tla thusa hore re hlahlobe hore na karolong ena eo ho fepang `Muso ka kotloloho hore na litaba tsa teng li tla sebetsoa joang.

Mona moo ke kopang ho hlahloba sekepele sena sa plate, ke hobane mona moo ho tlo fepa Catholic Relief Service ehlile lipehelo ke hore phepo e ka `na ea tsamaea hantle.

E ka etsa hore bana ba etse migrate from other schools ho mono.
Ka nqena le teng ho tlameha ho hlahlojoe hore le teng ho tle ho se ke ha arohana haholo.

Hansard: Thursday,2nd June, 2023 Page 11 Ke kopa hore taba ena, Bahlomphehi, le e tšehetse hore e kene tšebetsong, `me re tle re bone mane metseng ha ho ba le liphetoho holimà tšebetso ena eo re keneng ka hara eona.

Policy ha e le teng, e na le likhaello, e ea khakoloa.

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Potso, Hon.

Member for Hloahloeng.

HON.


K. MABELENG (Hloahloeng): Mohlomphehi, kannete u ntse u teka litaba tsa hau hantle.

Ke etsa potso mona moo u supang hore ha ka `na hoa ba le migration ea bana ba likolo ho tloha likolong tse ling ho ea ho tsena tseo e leng hore CRS e tla be e nkile taolo ka ho fepa bana ba likolo.
Joale Mohlomphehi, na u hlokometse hore migration ena e se ntse e le teng ho tloha likolong tsena tseo e leng hore li fefohile li ile le moea ke likoluoa tseo likhohola le meea e mebe e qetang ho li fefola ho ea ho likolo tse ntseng li phetse hantle?

Joalo kaha re ile ra fana ka litlaleho lekaleng la hau, ha e na ba taba ea CRS fela moo bana ba tla falla ka lebaka la hore ho na le tšoareho e ntle likolong tseo CRS e tla beng e sebetsa ho tsona.
Re ka thiba taba ee joang hore likolo tse ling li tle li se ke tsa sala li le mahaha fela e le hobane ba ntse ba batla moo ba ka tšoarehang hantle, na?

HON.

PROF. N. RAPARA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Ke taba ea bohlokoa eo u buang ka eona.

Ehlile moo bana ba sa tšireletsehang ha ho bobebe hore ebe batsoali ba ka khothaletsa hore bana ba bona ba `ne ba be moo ho sa tšireletsehang ha monyetla o le teng oa hore ba ee moo ba tšireletsehileng.
Hoo ke ipeletsang ka hona ke hore ha re ntse re etsa mosebetsi ona oa hore bana ba bolokehe likolong, leha ho etsoa tlhahlobo ea lichelete bohareng mona, re tle re sheba taba eno eo u seng u e boletse ka katloloho hore ke qholotso e kholo lekaleng la thuto.

Re se ntse re phethela eona tlhopho eono hore mona moo ho bileng le tšenyeho ena e kholo na ke tlhokahalo e kae ea chelete.

Ke lumela hore Paramente e tla re thusa hore re fete mothati oo.
U bua `nete hore moo bana ba sa tšireletsehang ebile bas a feptjoe hantle, batsoali ba ke ke ba khothalla ho isa bana, empa ba tla ea moo litšebeletso tsa bana li leng hantle.

E `ngoe eo, Bahlomphehi, ke reng ke e hlahise ke hore selemo sena se fetileng khoeling ea botšelela, e ne e le ha batho ba fepang ba lokeloa ho lefuoa, ba lefuoe ka December.

Joale lipakeng mona ho bile bolutu haholo.


U se u ka itekanyetsa hore na haeba nakong eno fela eba ke motsoali oaka ea neng a fepa sekolong mono likhoeli tse tšeletseng `Muso o sa lefe, na ho ne ho tla etsahala eng.

Ke tse ling tsa liqholotso tseo re phelang le tsona.

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Potso, Setho se Khabane sa Motimposo.

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M. MOTSOASELE (Motimposo): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.
Ke botsa Letona le Khabane le ntseng le beha litaba hantle ka makhethe hore na ebe e ke ke eaba bohlale hore `Muso o ke o inahanele hore likolong mona bana ba leme, joalo kaha re hlokometse hore majarete a likolo a maholo haholo.

Boemong bono mohlomong taba ena e ka thusa hore nakong eo ho nang le tlokotsi, leha ho sena tlokotsi bana ba tsebe hore na lijo li tsoa kae.

E se ntse e le ho ba ruta ho itlhahisetsa.


Ka tsela eno ho bebofaletsa le `Muso hore ka letsatsing le leng ho thoe lijo ho tla fepuoa tse tsoang jareteng, a mang a mabeli bekeng mohlomong ho ka etsahala joang.

Na ho ke ke ha ba hantle ha bana ba ka khothaletsoa ho lema, na?

HON.

PROF. N. RAPAPA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Taba eo Setho se Khabane se e buanag ke taba ea bohlokoa haholo eo e seng e tlò ba karolo tšebetsong eo re e etsang.
Taba eno eo u e buang hona le likolo tse seng li ntse li sebetsana le eona.

Ka toka le tšoanelo, sekolo ha se ithukhubelitse ka bana, se bile se entse tlhahiso hona sekolong seno sa mathomo sa thuto e sa lefelloeng, hantle thepa eno ea bona e sebelisoang mono sekolo se tlameha ho fumana patala e tsoang ho mofepi e le hore ba `ne ba khone ho hlahisa ho ea pele le ho batla lipeo.

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Potso, Hon.

Senauoane.

HON.

M. SENAUOANE (PR): Kea leboha, Hon.

Speaker.


Ke botsa Letona le Khabane hore na ha a ntse a re likolo tsena tseo a li bolelang ka palo, ebile a ntse a re ka lithabeng, hana ka lithabeng ke kae?

Ka lithabeng ka moo a bolelang moo re sa tsebeng, mohlomong ho tseba bao a ntseng a ba sebela ka litsebeng ba ntse ba araba ba sena tokelo, ebe ke likolo li fe?

Na a ke ke a khahloa hore a ke a behe Ntlo ena leseling hore na ke li feng?

O buile hantle hore CRS e tla jela phate ka tšehetso ea America.
Ke hore na batho bao ba tla qala ho fepa, ha kea utloa hantle hore na o ntse a re bacha kapa bo mang?

Ba tlò khethoa ka tsela e feng?

Ke utloile eka e se tlo ba hona joale ka Phato ea sona selemo sena.

Ba se ba tsebisitsoe hore ba itlhophe?

Ho ile ha lateloa methati e feng hore ba tsebe hore ba ikete?

Ba qolotsoeng ke mang, joang?

Ka morao hore re tsebe likolo tseo, joale re tle re tsebe ho tona mahlo hore re utloe hore na hothoe ho etsahala joang ka lithabeng ka moo?

Kea leboha.

HON.

PRO.


N. RAPAPA: Ke leboha potso ea Setho se Khabane ea bohlokoa haholo.

Taba e hlahang potsong ea hae e likarolo li peli, ea pele ke hore ke ne ke ile ka hlahisa hore ho latela leano lena le teng Lesotho mona la national school feeding programme policy, world food programme e ntse e fepa likolo tsena tsa likonyana tse itseng.

CRS e ntse e tlo fepa likolong tse 192.


Ke kopa tšoarelo haeba ke ile ka re ka Hansard: Thursday,2nd June, 2023 Page 13 lithabeng, ke ne ke itse e tla ba mostly rural and less of urban.

Kea kholoa ke ntho eo ke neng ke e bolela.

Thaba-Tseka e ntse e le mabalane, ka hona ke kopa tšoarelo.

Tabeng ena eo u buang ka eona, Mohlomphehi.

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MR. SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Hon.

Member for Phamong.

HON.

M. `MUSO (Phamong): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.
Ntlha ea tsamaiso ea tsamaiso eo ke emang ka eona ke hore ha ke ntse ke shebelletse litaba mona ke bone letona la tsa Machabeng le ema matšelisong moo a neng a le hona teng le fana ka puo, ha le qeta le re hoe me mokhethoa a le mong a buellang bakhethoa ba mabatooa a mang.

Ha a qeta e le hona ho fuoang Mohlomphehi Tona- Kholo.

Na ebe e ntse e le litaba tse nepahetseng tseo tsa batho ba baholo tla beng ba tsamaisa litaba?

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MR. SPEAKER: Ntlha e bohlokoa haholo ke hore taba ena eo u e buang ha kea e utloisisa hantle hore na u bone phoso e etsahala joang?

Ke utloa eka u re ho ile ha bua ba bang, ha qetella ho bua Mohlomphehi Tona-Kholo.

Haeba ho le joalo, ke ne ke sa bone phoso.

Ke ne ke ka bona phoso haeba e ile ea re a se a buile eaba ho tla ba bang ba tlo bua.

Taba e kholo ke hore taba ena ha e laoloe ka mona ka Paramenteng.

Ha ho moo ho nang le ntlha ea tsamaiso e robiloeng mona.
Ho molemo ke hore Setho se Khabane a phete hape, mohlomong hona le moo ke sa utloisisang hantle.

HON.

M. `MUSO: Mohlomphehi Motsamisi oa Lipuisano, ho buile letona le Khabane la tsa Machabeng, eaba ha a qeta ho bua Mokhoethoa, eaba ho bua Tona- Kholo.

Ha se tsamaiso e nepahetseng eno.

Ka nako eno bana ba shebeletse.

Joale oa utloa ha protocol e rojoa ke bona, hana batho bao e eseng karolo bona ba tla e nepa?

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HON.
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MR. SPEAKER: Setho se Khababe, ha rea lefung re ilo tšelisa lelapa leo le oeleng ka phatla, `me re laoloa ke lelapa.

Hona le moo rona re ka fuoang monyetla oa hore re lokise litaba tsa rona, fela boholo ba nako re tla qoba ka hohle hore re se ke ra utloisa lelapa leo bohloko.

Haeba ho ne ho ka tluoa ho `na ke ne ke tla eletsa ka tsela e itseng, ha hoa tluoa ho `na.

Ke sebetsa ka Paramenteng ka mona.

Ha re tsepameng tabeng ea hore ha ke bone moo ho ka thoeng ntlha ea tsamaiso e teng mona.
Letona le Khabane, u ile oa lumella lipotso eaba li ntse li tsipa-tsipa, joale tsa li qetella li qetile nako ea hau.

Ka lebaka lena e felile.

HON.

M. SENAUOANE (PR): Ntlha ea tsamaiso!

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HON.

MADAM SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso ka Setho se Khabane M. Senauoane.

HON.

M. SENAUOANE: Kea leboha, Honourable Speaker.


Ke re, Ntate, ka uena hle, ke kopa ha nako ea Letona le Khabane e se e felile ho nepahetse, a ke a lokise polelo ea hae ea ho qetela puong ea hae, kapa karabong hae.

Ha ke tsebe haeba ebe u ile ua ebe litseba ha ua e utloa.

Ha ke botsa, u araba a re Thaba-Tseka ke mabalane.

Ke Letona la Thuto, ‘me o mametsoe le ke bana.

Kea kholoa le uena ua tseba hore na Thaba-Tseka ke ho kae.

Ha’ se ke a araba joalo, ekare ua loana.

A se ke a phoqa bana le batho.


E fetohile neng hore ebe mabalane?

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Honourable Minister, ak’u e thethe taba eo, Mohlomphehi oa ka.

HON.

PROF. N. RAPAPA: Ke leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ke hula taba eno ea hore Thaba-Tseka ke mabalane ke ne ke re ke toropong.

Ka ‘nete kea leboha.

HON.

M. MAQELEPO (PR): Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Mohlomphehi!

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MR. SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso ka Setho se Khabane M. Maqelepo.

HON.
HON.

M. MAQELEPO: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ka ‘nete u ne u ile ua etsa toka hore Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane a bue esale nako re tle re tsebe ho utloa hore na policy direction ea lekala e re eng mabapi le motion ona o beueng.

‘Na ha kea utloa, Mohlomphehi hore na ha ele hantle o re eng.

O re ua e tšehetsa kapa ha e tšehetse?

Ke utloile tabeng ea hae ena a ntse a bua ka hore mona moo ho thoeng large scale caterers and suppliers ba se ke ba fuoa mosebetsi ona.
Ke utloa eka eena o re ba o fuoe.

Athe motho ea neng a hlaisitse taba eena o ne a re e fuoe individual caterers kapa suppliers metseng koana.

So ‘ne ke re, Mohlomphehi, u re etsetse toka hle a hlake a emetse lekala re utloa hore na eena o re eng e tle e re ha ho tlo kenoa litabeng tsena ra be re utloa hore na policy direction ea lekala e re eng.

Ka ‘nete o ipatile.

O pata hlooho, ha bontše hantle hore na o ho kae.

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MR. SPEAKER: Ha ele kopo e etsoang ke lona Litho tse Khabane hore a re thuse, ehlile e kaba hantle hore re mo fe a re thuse.

Ho na le taba, Mohlomphehi Letona, ke ne ke utloile hore lintho tse ngata u li hlakisitse.

Empa ho na le ena ea hore na joale qetellong o tšehetsa motion kopa che.

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PROF. N. RAPAPA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Ke ne ke hlile ke tlo phethela eaba nako e se e nkoalla eaba u se u re e koetsoe ka amohela.
Kea kholoa litabeng tsena tseo ke li boletseng mona kaofela litla-morao tsa ho se tšehetse leano lena li buima haholo ka hona ha ke tšehetse motion ona.

Kea leboha.

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Setho se Khabane Mohlomphehi M. Mofomobe, tsoela pele.

HON.

M. MOFOMOBE (PR): Ntate Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, ka Lekhotleng lena la sechaba, ka ‘nete re u amohele kamora ho hloloheloa matsatsana a ‘maloa.

Re ne re se re u hlolohetsoe ka ‘nete, re ipotsa hore na u ile ho kae.

Ka ‘nete welcome back.


Re ne re se re u hlolohetsoe haholo.

Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, ‘Muso o teng ke jeno ke tseba hantle.

Ha ke phopholetse hore ‘Muso ona o teng kajeno, o kene o re o rata Basotho.

Ha Basotho ba tla o khetha ka bongata bona boo ba o khethileng ka ona, ba o khethile ba tseba hantle hore o tlo thusa Basotho.

Ba khethile ‘Muso ona ba tseba hantle hore o tlo thusa Basotho, ‘me le ona o ne o bolela joalo hore ha ele Basotho bona re tla oa, moo ba ueleng teng.
Ke ‘nete ho robala ke ho fetoha.

Ho robala ke ho fetoha.

Re tla tsamaea ka likoloi tsa rona, ho robala ke ho fetoha [litšeho].

Re tla lula matlong a rona, ho robala ke ho fetoha.

Tona-Kholo o tla itšella likoloi tsa hae, ho robala ke ho fetoha [litšeho] [liatla] [lerata].

Ke na le thepa ea ka, ho robala ke ho fetoha.

Capitalists, the mentality of capitalists ke o tjena [liatla].
Haeso mane Sebapala le ha bo Honourable Thuso Mosetlelo (Mount-Moorosi), le ha a se a honyetse ka hare ho setulo tjena, batho ba ha bo rona ba phela ka taba ena ea ho fepa.

Ke na le likhomo tsa lebese hae koana.

Lebese le ne le phela ka hore le nkoe ke batho ho e’o fepuoa bana sekolong.

Ha ho sa na letho hona joale.

Ba neng ba ruile likhoho mahe a nkuoa, that business is dying.
Ntho e neng e thusa the rural economy, e imolla ona ‘Muso hore batho bano ba se ke ba imeloa ba mabatooa a lona, mabatooa a rona, ana ao kajeno re seng re liile lifahleho joalokaha le liile lifahleho tjena, Bahlomphehi [liatla].

Ke hobane ho robala ke ho fetoha.

Ke re, Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane, kea utloa hore na u re eng.

Ke maobane mona ha Minister of Trade (Honourable Shelile) a tlisa ka mona melaoana eo re ileng ra e fitisa e bitsoang Business Licencing Regulations.
E behelletseng ka thoko likhoebo tse mashome a mane (40) a metso hore these are for indigenous Basotho.

Hansard: Thursday,2nd June, 2023 Page 16 Hao bana beso, le se le re eona e ea mahe le moroho?

Can’t we reserve this business ea ho fepa likolo for indigenous Basotho motseng koa?

Ke ne ke nahana hore Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane o tla re ho rona re le Paramente ‘Muso o entse qeto ea ho nyolla sekepele.
Haeba ke M3.50 ho ea ho M5.00 to accommodate Basotho ba ne ba motseng ba tsebe hore ba fepe [liatla].

Ke hore people that are well-off Maseru moo ho thoe ba fepe likolo?

People that are well-off ba nang le li-company tse kholo ho thoe e be bona ba fepang Basotho?

‘Na ke tseba teketse ea lona Honourable ‘Mantu Phooko e le hore le tlo lokisa.

Haeba re fositse moo re fositseng ka ho isa taba eno mono, let us fix it for the benefit of Basotho.

Ho tse itseng, ha re fositse le re lea lokisa.


Ho tse itseng ha le batle ho lokisa.

Ebe ke hona ho robala ke ho fetoha hoo hoa lona?

Tsoelipane matsoelipana, tsoelipane ke matsoelipane?

Ka hona ke re, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, taba ena e tlisitsoeng ebile ke hopola eka e qalileng pusong ea Lesotho Congress for Democracy (LCD) taba ena.

Honourable ‘Mantu Phooko taba ena e qalile pusong ea LCD ea haeno e le ntho e ntle, e le leano le le tle.
Ke batla ho bona kajeno hore na ha u se u le ka moruong leano lena le se le le lebe na?

Ka mantsoe ana, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, ke re kea tšehetsa hore leano lena le hlahlojoe bocha.

Ka lehlohonolo ha u sheba… HON.

T. NOTSI (Tšoana-Makhulo): Potso!

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Ha kea utloa hore na u itse u fana ka potso Setho se Khabane.

Tsoela pele, Honourable Member for Tšoana-Makhulo.

HON.

T. NOTSI: Kea leboha.


Ke botsa Setho se Khabane se ntseng se bua hantle ka ‘nete hore na ha ele mona budget e se e fetile ka M3.50, na o ne a re re etse joang boemong bona ba hona joale?

HON.

M. MOFOMOBE: It is a fair question from you moena oa ka, Honourable T. Notsi.

Ha chelete e se e fetisitsoe, ho ka etsoa qeto ea hore e ka qala in the next financial year hobane ha chelete e le sieo, ha e eo.

E se ke ea ba teng feela ha e tlo tšela Bentley e tl’o etsa service Bentley kapa Maybach.
Ha e le sieo hona joale chelete ha e be teng in the next financial year.

Letona le Khabane le re le tšehetsa motion feela ba sitoa ho qala hona joale ba tla qala in the next financial year e se e etselitsoe budget.

I think I have answered your question fairly le ‘na.
Hansard: Thursday,2nd June, 2023 Page 17 Ka mantsoe ana, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano ke re, ke phethele ka ona mantsoe ana a hore ke tšehetsa motion motle molemong oa Basotho, ‘me o tla thusa batho bane ba motseng mane hore ba nne ba phele, ba kopanye mona le mane.

Ha u sheba Basotho ehlile ba tonne mahlo ho sheba taba ena.

Ba hlile ba batla ho e sheba le ba Matlakeng koana hore na efela mokhethoa oa Matlakeng a tiile, a tlile Paramenteng mona ho tla ba buelella kapa che.
Ke lebohile, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

HON.

DR. M. PHAMOTSE (Matlakeng): Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Mohlomphehi!

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Ntlha a tsamaiso ka Setho se Khabane sa Matlakeng.

HON.

DR. M. PHAMOTSE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.

Ntlha ea tsamaiso eo ke emang ka eona ke hore re na le lipotso tseo re ileng ra li botsa joale ho hlokahala likarabo tse ngotsoeng.
Joale ho bonahala e le qholotso re kopa hore Setulo, Mohlomphehi, se tle ke se e shebe hobane ha li be teng joale karabo ke hore ekanna eaba li tla ka marang-rang mohlomong li fihle ka mona ka Ntlong re tsebe ho li fumana.

Kea leboha.

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Setho se Khabane, ha kea utloa hantle ntlha ea hau ea tsamaiso.

Ke kopa hore u ke ue phete ke utloe hantle.

HON.

DR.M.

PHAMOTSE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.
Ke re lipotso ha li botsitsoe ka mona, Mohlomphehi, li bonahala likarabo tse ngotsoeng tse ling li sa fihli.

Joale taba eno, Mohlomphehi, ke bona eka e re sitisa ho sebetsa hobane li tšoanetse li tle li ngotsoe joale re tsebe hore re li fitisetse ho beng ba lipotso tseo koana.

Li re sitisa ho tlaleha.

Mohlomphehi, ke kopa ka boikokobetso ha re ile ra araba hona letsatsing leno leno kappa ka le hlahlamang ha ho thoe re hlotsoe, likarabo tse ngotsoeng tsa be li le teng ka mona ka Paramenteng.

Kea leboha.
Kea leboha.

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Setho se Khabane ke fuoa karabo e tjena, ea hore ho na le boiteko bo teng ba hore re fokotse tšebeliso ea pampiri.

Ka lebaka leo, Bahlomphehi Matona ba romela ka marang-rang litaba tseo.

Joale ebe basebeletsi ba mona Paramenteng ba se ba li qhalla ho Litho e ntse e le ka ona marang-rang.

Haeba hona le moo ekabang ho ile hoa ba le tiehiso feela karabo eona e joalo.

E leng hore re tle re se ke be ra lebella hard-copies, re lebelle ho li bona ka marang- rang.
Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Mohlomphehi Mofomobe….

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M. PHAMOTSE (Matlakeng): Mohlomphehi, na ntlha ea tsamaiso e ea latelloa, Mohlomphehi.

Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Mohlomphehi.

HON.

M. MOFOMOBE: Ke ne ke re, Mohlomphehi Speaker, holim’a ntha ena ea tsamaiso eo u mphileng eona, ke se ke mpa ke bua hobane Honourable Matlakeng a buile.

Ke na le taba e tšoanang, Ntate.

Maobane ke ne ke bolella Motlatsi oa hau hore ke na le khoeli, Ntate, 3 to 4 weeks.
Litho tse Khabane tseo ke sebetsang le tsona ka nqena ba nketse lipotso le li-motion kamor’aka ka nako e telele ‘me tsa bona li fetile.

Ke na le lipotso tseo ke li kentseng mona ka taba ena ea temo eane e Peka mane moo ke neng ke botsa hore Letona le ke le tlil’o re bolella hore na ke matona afeng a Paramente a kentse literekere tsa bona mane.

Joale ha ke e bone potso eno, ha e kene kam ona.

Kea tseba le Letona la Lichelete le batla ke botse potso ena joale ha ke e bone, Ntate, le tse ling.
Joale ke ne ke botsa, Ntate, hore na ebe….karabo ke eo.

Clerk o ntse a fana ka karabo [Litšheho].

Joale ke ne ke re, Ntate, ke tsona lipotso tseno le li-motion tse ‘maloa tseo ke bonang li sa kene.

Ono o mong motion o ne o batla o potlakile hobane ke litila-tile tsa ban aba Basotho ba sitoang ho ngola hobane ba sa lefa exam fee, e le sieo chelete malapeng.

Joale ke kentse motion oa hore ‘Muso o kene lipakeng ho lefella bana bano, o patiloe motion ha o eo.
Ha e le ena ea molula-setulo oa Public Service Commission eona ke ne ke e lepe ka January hore motho o tla hira ngoan’abo mosali oa hae, e joalo [Litšeho].

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Setho se Khabane, ke bolelloa hore mohlomong ekanna ea ba ha u ka ba ua re “heli” Notice Paper ea maobane.

Ha u ka e re “heli” u tla bona hore potso eo ea hau e teng ‘me ha hon a ba le bothata ba letho hore e arabeloe.

Ke bone Setho se Khabane sa Matlakeng eka se tsietsoe tabeng ea ntlha ea sona ea tsamaiso.
Ke kopa u itlhalose re se ke ra be re se re u hanya.

HON.

DR.M.

PHAMOTSE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ha ke ne ke re ka Ntlong, Mohlomphehi, ekaba ka Ntlong ka mona physically e le li-hard copy kapa ekaba ka Ntlong ka mane ka moo re kopanelang kateng ha ho marang-rang.

E leng hore ke bolela libaka tseno li le peli, ha hona likarabo lipotsong tse ling, Mohlomphehi.
E leng hore ha li eo, Mohlomphehi, ‘me ekare Ntlo e ka itlhophela hore hang ha ho ile hoa ajoa, kannete li kene ka Ntlong ekaba ka mona kapa ka Ntlong ka mane ka ho marang-rang.

Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi [Liatla.

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Karabo ke hore boitlhopho bo ntseng bo etsoa ‘me kea e pheta, ke hore li tle li fihle ho Litho tse Khabane ka marang-rang.

Haeba taba eo Hansard: Thursday,2nd June, 2023 Page 19 ha e s’o etsahale empa e se e ntse e sebetsoa hore e fele e etsahale.
Setho se Khabane, Mohlomphehi Masoetsa.

HON.

M. MASOETSA (PR): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ho bonahala taba ena ea motion oo re ntseng re bua ka ona ekanna ea ba joale o na le maikutlo a mang a itseng.

Ka hoina ke kopa hore ke sisinye 4(1), Ntate, hore u mpe u thole.

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Setho se Khabane sa Thaba- Phechela.

HON.

M. HLAHLELE (Thaba-Phechela): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.
Ka ‘nete ntlha ea tsamaiso eo ke emang ka eona ke hore na ho ntse ho nepahala hore monga motion ebe eena a boetseng a sisinyang 4(10).

Hantle-ntle e ne e ntse e le rona motho ha u sheba ba ntseng ba tlameha hore ba kene kahar’a motion ona ona oa hae [Lerata].

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Ka mokhoa oo, Setho se Khabane sa Thaba- Phechela…Setho se Khabane sa Thaba-Phechela, u eme ka ntlha ea tsamaiso nakong eo ho buang Mohlomphehi Masoetsa.
Ka hona mong’a motion ha esale fela a o buella ka nako e telele with grate passion, h’a s’o bue hape.

H’a s’o sisinye letho kamorao ho mono, e leng Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng.

Empa ekanna ea ba hona le ntho e ‘ngoe eo u e buang eo ke sa e utloisiseng hantle.

Haeba ke u arabile u amohele empa haeba hona le ntho e salletseng u nthuse hore ke e utloisise.

HON.

M. HLALELE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.
Hante- ntle the motion ke oa Makhaleng and was seconded by Mohlomphehi Ntate Masoetsa.

E ntse e le oa hae haeba ke eena ea entseng seconded.

Joale ke ka lebaka lena leo ke reng ha ke utloe eka ho’a nepahala hore ebe ke eena hape-hape ea emang a sisinya 4(2).

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Ha re fihla mona he re lintlha li peli tse lokelang hore li otlolloe hantle.

‘Na maikutlong a Mohlomphehi Masoetsa h’a na motion ka mona.
O ile a mpa a bua e le Setho sa Paramente se nang le tokela ea ho bua, ho tlatsa kapa ho hana feela mong’a motion eena ke ea ngotsoeng mona on the Order Paper e leng Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng.

E leng hore ha re ‘moho hantle t abeng eno ea hore re ka re Mohlomphehi Masoetsa ke eena monga motion, le uena u ne u kanna ua tlatsa.

Eaba ha u bona hore taba ena e fihlile moo ekang e ka ntlafala haholo ha nkaka ema ka 4(1), u ne u ka ena ka 4(1).
E leng hore ha ho bothata ba letho tabeng eno hobane ehlile le ‘na ke ne ke tla lumela hore haeba e ne e le Setho se Khabane Hansard: Thursday,2nd June, 2023 Page 20 sa Makhaleng ke ne ke tla re ae e ke keng ea loka hore a itsamaisetse eona.

Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng.

HON.

M. LEHATA (Makhaleng): Honourable Speaker, kea kholoa ha ke against the 4(1) empa ntho eo ke emang ka eona feela ke hore the fact that Honourable Masoetsa seconded me o sa buile tabeng ena, o sa buile ka motion.
Joale ha ema ka 4(1), 4(1) e re motho ea khethiloeng o tlameha hore a bue, e fapane le 4(2)where you can stand with the point of order but on 4(1) motho ea khethang hore a bue ke eena ea sisinyang 4(1).

Joale Honourable Masoetsa o se a fumane platform ea hae ‘me o ne a tlameha hore ebe o supiloe hore a bua ho sisinya 4(1).

Ekaba any other Member ea ka emang a bua ho e sisinya, kea kholoa ke eona ntho eo Thaba-Phechela a neng a leka ho e lokisa.

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Ke amohela ka kotloloho hore Mohlomphehi Masoetsa o ne a ile a fumana sebaka sa ho bua, ho ke keng hoa nepahala hore a boele a fuoe sebaka sa ho bua.

E leng hore litaba tsa hae re ile ra li tlohela, re fetela ho ba bang.

Setho se Khabane sa Mafeteng.

HON.

M. MOTŠOANE (Mafeteng): Kea leboha, Honourable Speaker.

Ka ‘nete taba ena ea phepo ea ban aba likolo ke taba e kholo haholo eo re tlamehang hore re le Ntlo re ke re tsepamise maikutlo a rona ho eona.
Taba ena e bohlokoa ho bana ba Basotho; ekaba bana ka bo-bona kapa ho sechaba sa Basotho moo teng ‘nete ho ntseng ho sebetsa leano lona lena leo letsatsing lena Mohlomphehi Makhaleng a kopang Ntlo hore re ke re le shebe ka mokhoa o mong re le ‘Muso.

Taba ena ea Basotho ba khothaletsoang hore ba il’o lema e le ho hlahisa ekaba tsona lijo empa ba se na ‘maraka oo ba rekisang ho ona, e bar aha maling a mpa haholo hobane moo ba neng ba fumana ‘maraka e ne e le hona mona.
Ha u ka ua sheba moo ba ka rekisang teng; lishopong kapa likhoebong tse kholo tse ka rekang lihlaisoa tsa bana ba Basotho tabeng ena ea temo, eba bothata bo boholo hore ba fumane ‘maraka mono.

‘Maraka boholo oa likhoebo tse joalo e ntse ele o hlahang mane ho la Afrika Boroa.

E leng hore taba ene e ne e bapala karolo e kholo haholo.

Re ile ra phela le eona ntho ena re ile ra e bona, e ile ea mpa ea ba fela moo ho bonahalang ho ile hoa ba le corruption kahar’a tšebetso ea mofuta o joalo.
Ke mo ratile Ntate o ile a bontša hore ‘Muso oo a ileng a ba ka ho ona e ile ea ba ona o ileng oa tlosa leano lena la mofuta ona oa phepo.

Mohlomong ba ne ba sa hlokomela ntho e neng e etsahala mono, eo ho neng ho bonahala matichere e le ona a iphang mosebetsi o joalo.
Hansard: Thursday,2nd June, 2023 Page 21 Joale matichere e tla re ha iphile mosebetsi ono ebe ba behella bana ba Basotho kapele ka mona, ka mokhoa oa Senyesemane re tla re ba ne ba ba fantisa, bana ba ba kapele feela e ntse e le matichere beng ba mosebetsi ono.

Taba eno ke eona e ileng ea etsa hore leano leno ha le ka ba la phela hantle kapa hona ho sebetsa hantle.
Mohlomong ekanna hona moo joale puso eno ea ka nako eno e ileng ea nka qeto ea ho chencha leano lena, ‘me kannete leano leno le ne le le letle haholo.

Motho u se u ka mpa ua re fela ha u bua boemong bona ba puso ea hona joale ke mpe ke re ho Letona la haeso, ha mpe le khutle le il’o hetla morao le shebe taba ena.

Lebaka la hae ke la hore ‘Muso ha o na chelete, ha o’a etsa budget litaba tseno….

HON.

M. METSING: Potso!

HON.

M. MOTŠOANE: Ke kopa ho mofa, Mohlomphehi.

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HON.
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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Setho se Khabane, Mohlomphehi Metsing.

HON.

M. METSING: Ae, ke ne ke re ke utloa Setho se Khabane se bua hantle ebile eka taba ena o e utloisisa haholo.

Joale ke re kannete ke utloile le maikutlo a Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane moo a reng price ena e teng e tlase, ho batho ba li-individual ba hoina joale tjena ba se ba ke keng ba fumana phaello.

Athe ho batho ba rekang in bulk ba na le monyetla ono oa litaba tsa economies of scale ba reka thepa ka tsela e bobebe.
Joale Letona lona le ne le re le nahana hore taba ena pele ho etsoe consider taba ea ho nyolla price, e tle e re ha price e le teng ho khutleloe morao, ke re na a ka reng tabeng eno [Lerata].

HON.

M. MOTŠOANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.

Ka ‘nete ha ke araba potso ea Mohlomphehi Metsing ke mpe ke re, ho joalo, Ntate, ke eona eo ke neng ke re Letona joalokaha le se le boletse le ho lla ka taba ena ea li- price, ha re ke re mo lumelle a ke a ee morao a khutle.
Ntlo e tle e mo lumelle a khutle mohlomong a khutla ka leano le batlang le le betere, lona leno la ho nyolla price e le hore sechaba sena ha se rekisa se tle se fumane phaello litabeng tsena tsa tlhahiso ena ea bona.

Ka hona, Mohlomphehi, ke re leano lena le letle la hore kannete e be re tla sebelisa li-company tse itseng kapa mokhoa o ntseng o sebetsa ha joale tjena, o bohloko haholo.

Haeso Mafeteng mane likolo tse ka hare ho leano lena li na le bothata bo tšabehileng.

Bana le matichere ba lla.


Ke hopola se seng sekolo sa St. John’s primary School ho ile ha mengoa bahoebi ba se ntse ba rekela bana liphoofo hore bana ba mpe ba je e le hobane bothata ba ho ja ha bana bo le teng.

Ka hona ke re ha re keng re lumelle Letona, ke fana ka keletso ho ‘Muso oa heso, ha re khutleleng morao re le puso re ke re ilo sheba mokhoa o mong oa ho re re nyolle Hansard: Thursday,2nd June, 2023 Page 22 theko (price) individuals li tle li tsebe ho fumana mokhoa oa ho fepa bana ba sechaba.
Ka hona ke sisinya Standing Order No.

41.

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Litho tse Khabane, Setho se Khabane sa Mafeteng se re ka Standing Order No.

41 ke taba ea ho fa Litho monyetla oa hore li ke li ilo boetse li tšohla taba li khokhohanya maikutlo taba e tle e khutle ho se ho batla ho lumellanoe.

Taba ea Standing Order No.


41 e re qobella hore re le botse Bahlomphehi Ba Khabane e le hore lona le khethe hore na le amohela taba eo ea hore re ke re cheche hanyane re lo hlahloba taba re khokhohanye puo re tle re khutle hape.

Question that the debate be now adjourned, put and agreed to HON.

M. Mofomobe (PR): Division!

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HON.

MR. SPEAKER: Ha u etse division u eme u le mong Honourable Member.
We have come to the end of today’s Business and the House is adjourned until Monday at 2:30 a.m. ADJOURNMENT Hansard: Thursday,2nd June, 2023 Page 23