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4 Friday 22nd May, 1964 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) OFFICIAL REPORT CONTENTS ADJOURNMENT SINE DIE (Motion) [Col. 473] EXEMPTED BUSINESS (Motion) [Col. 474] MOTION: Yang di-Pertuan Agong's Speech (Address of Thanks) [Col. 475] DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, A .

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N ., PENCHETAK KERAJAAN KUALA LUMPUR 1965 MALAYSIA DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) Official Report First Session of the Second Dewan Ra'ayat Friday, 22nd May, 1964 The House met at half-past Nine o'clock a.m. „ „ „ PRESENT: The Honourable Mr Speaker, TUAN SYED ESA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.MJ., P.I.S.

the Prime Minister, Minister of External Affairs and Minister of Youth, Culture and Sports, Y.T.M.

TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M.

(Kuala Kedah).
(Kuala Kedah).

the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence, Minister of National and Rural Development and Minister of Lands and Mines, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N.

(Pekan).

the Minister of Home Affairs and Minister of Justice, DATO' DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N.

(Johore Timor).

the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' TAN SIEW SIN, J.P. (Melaka Tengah).

the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, DATO' V. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N.

(Sungei Siput).
(Sungei Siput).

the Minister of Transport, DATO' HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N.

(Pontian Utara).

the Minister of Health, ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah).

the Minister of Education, ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB (Kuantan).

the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan).

the Minister for Welfare Services, TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT A LI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang).
the Minister for Local Government and Housing, ENCHE' KHAW KAI-BOH, P.J.K.

(Ulu Selangor).

the Minister for Sarawak Affairs, DATO' TEMENGGONG JUGAH ANAK BARIENG, P.M.N., P.D.K.

(Sarawak).

the Minister of Labour, ENCHE' V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K.

(Klang).

the Minister of Information and Broadcasting, ENCHE' SENU BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Kubang Pasu Barat).

the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara).
„ 467 22 MAY 1964 468 The Honourable the Assistant Minister of Lands and Mines, „ „ „ „ ENCHE' MOHAMED GHAZALI BIN HAJI JAWI (Ulu Perak).

the Assistant Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, ENCHE' SULAIMAN BIN BULON (Bagan Datoh).

the Assistant Minister of Youth, Culture and Sports, ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ABDUL KADIR, J.M.N., P.J.K.

(Trengganu Tengah).

the Assistant Minister of Education, ENCHE' LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Sepang).

ENCHE' ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N.

(Melaka Utara).
(Melaka Utara).

ENCHE' ABDUL KARIM BIN ABU, A.M.N.

(Melaka Selatan).

WAN ABDUL KADIR BIN ISMAIL (Kuala Trengganu Utara).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAHIM ISHAK (Singapore).

WAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN DATU TUANKU BUJANG (Sarawak).

TUAN HAJI ABDUL RASHID BIN HAJI JAIS (Sabah).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAUF BIN A. RAHMAN, K.M.N., P.J.K.

(Krian Laut).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSSIN (Lipis).

ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN GUL AHMAD MIANJI (Pasir Mas Hulu).

DATO' ABDULLAH BIN ABDULRAHMAN, Dato' Bijaya di-Raja (Kuala Trengganu Selatan).
Y,A.M.

TUNKU ABDULLAH IBNI AL-MARHUM TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN, P.P.T.

(Rawang).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kelantan Hilir).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N.

(Muar Utara).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAAID (Seberang Utara).

CHE' AJIBAH BINTI ABOL (Sarawak).

ENCHE' ALI BIN HAJI AHMAD (Pontian Selatan).

O. K. K. DATU ALIUDDIN BIN DATU HARUN, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

DR AWANG BIN HASSAN, S.M.J.

(Muar Selatan).

ENCHE' AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam).

ENCHE' JONATHAN BANGAU ANAK RENANG (Sarawak).


PENGARAH BANYANG ANAK JANTING (Sarawak).

ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N.

(Kluang Selatan).

ENCHE' CHAN SEONG YOON (Setapak).

ENCHE' CHEN WING SUM (Damansara).

ENCHE' CHIA CHIN SHIN (Sarawak).

ENCHE' FRANCIS CHIA NYUK TONG (Sabah).

ENCHE' CHIA THYE POH (Singapore).

ENCHE' CHIN FOON (Ulu Kinta).

ENCHE' C. V. DEVAN NAIR (Bungsar).

ENCHE' EDWIN ANAK TANGKUN (Sarawak).

DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI ABDUL MAJID (Johor Bahru Timor).
DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N.

(Jitra-Padang Terap).

469 22 MAY 1964 470 The Honourable ENCHE' S. FAZUL RAHMAN, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

„ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ DATU GANIE GILONG, P.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).

ENCHE' GANING BIN JANGKAT (Sabah).

ENCHE' GEH CHONG KEAT, K.M.N.

(Penang Utara).

DR GOH KENG SWEE (Singapore).

ENCHE' HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N.

(Kapar).

ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD.

YUNUS, A.M.N.

(Kulim Utara).

ENCHE' HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Baling).

WAN HASSAN BIN WAN DAUD (Tumpat).


ENCHE' HO SEE BENG (Singapore).

ENCHE' STANLEY HO NGUN KHIU, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN TO' MUDA HASSAN (Raub).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN MOHD.

NOORDIN, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Parit).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN SULAIMAN (Ulu Kelantan).

TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN (Kota Bharu Hutu).

ENCHE' IKHWAN ZAINI (Sarawak).

ENCHE' IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah).

ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan).

TUAN SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, J.M.N.


(Johor Tenggara).

ENCHE' JEK YEUN THONG (Singapore).

PENGHULU JINGGUT ANAK ATTAN (Sarawak).

ENCHE' KADAM ANAK KIAI (Sarawak).

ENCHE' KAM WOON WAH, J.P. (Sitiawan).

ENCHE' KHOO PENG LOONG (Sarawak).

ENCHE' EDMUND LANGGU ANAK SAGA (Sarawak).

ENCHE' LEE KUAN YEW (Singapore).

ENCHE' LEE SECK FUN (Tanjong Malim).

ENCHE' AMADEUS MATHEW LEONG, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' LING BENG SIEW (Sarawak).

DR LIM CHONG EU (Tanjong).

ENCHE' LIM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat).


DATO' LIM KIM SAN, D.U.T.

(Singapore).

ENCHE' LIM PEE HUNG (Alor Star).

DR MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMAD (Kota Star Selatan).

ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson).

ENCHE' JOE MANJAJI (Sabah).

DR HAJI MEGAT KHAS, J.P., P.J.K.

(Kuala Kangsar).

ENCHE' MOHD.

ARIF SALLEH, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA (Pasir Puteh).

ORANG TUA MOHAMMAD DARA BIN LANGPAD (Sabah).

ENCHE' MOHD.

DAUD BIN ABDUL SAMAD (Besut).


ENCHE' MOHAMED IDRIS BIN MATSIL (Jelebu-Jempol).

ENCHE' MOHAMED NOORDIN BIN MASTAN, A.M.N., PJ.K.

(Seberang Selatan).

471 22 MAY 1964 472 The Honourable ENCHE' MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N.

(Temerloh).

„ „ „ „ „ „ ENCHE' MOHD.

ZAHIR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Sungei Patani).

WAN MOKHTAR BIN AHMAD (Kemaman).

TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan).

ENCHE' MUHAMMAD FAKHRUDDIN BIN HAJI ABDULLAH (Pasir Mas Hilir).
TUAN HAJI MUHAMMAD SU'AUT BIN HAJI MUHD.

TAHIR (Sarawak).

DATO' HAJI MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI ABDUL JABAR, D.P.M.S., A.M.N., J.P. (Sabak Bernam).

ENCHE' MUSTAPHA BIN AHMAD (Tanah Merah).

DATO' N IK AHMAD KAMIL, D.K., S.P.M.K., S.M.J.K., P.M.N., P.Y.G.P., Dato' Sri Setia Raja (Kota Bharu Hilir).

ENCHE' NG FAH YAM (Batu Gajah).

DR NG KAM POH, J.P. (Telok Anson).

ENCHE' ONG KEE H UI (Sarawak).

ENCHE' ONG PANG BOON (Singapore).

TUAN HAJI OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Hilir Perak).

ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.


(Perlis Utara).

ABANG OTHMAN BIN HAJI MOASILI (Sarawak).

ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN WOK (Singapore).

ENCHE' QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Timor).

ENCHE' S. RAJARATNAM (Singapore).

TUAN HAJI RAHMAT BIN HAJI DAUD, A.M.N.

(Johor Bahru Barat).

ENCHE' RAMLI BIN OMAR (Krian Darat).

TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD.

SAID, J.P. (Rembau-Tampin).

RAJA ROME BIN RAJA MA'AMOR (Kuala Selangor).

ENCHE' SANDOM ANAK NYUAK (Sarawak).

ENCHE' SEAH TENG NGIAB, P.I.S.

(Muar Pantai).


ENCHE' SIM BOON LIANG (Sarawak).

ENCHE' SIOW LOONG H I N, P.J.K.

(Seremban Barat).

ENCHE' SNG GHIN JOO (Sarawak).

DATU DONALD ALOYSIUS STEPHENS, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' SULEIMAN BIN ALI (Dungun).

PENGIRAN TAHIR PETRA (Sabah).

ENCHE' TAJUDIN BIN ALI, P.J.K.

(Larut Utara).

ENCHE' TAI KUAN YANG (Kulim-Bandar Bharu).

DR TAN CHEE KHOON (Batu).

ENCHE' TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan).

ENCHE' TAN TOH HONG (Bukit Bintang).

ENCHE' TAN TSAK YU (Sarawak).


ENCHE' TIAH ENG BEE (Kluang Utara).

DR TOH CHIN CHYE (Singapore).

„ ENCHE' TOH THEAM HOCK (Kampar).

473 22 MAY 1964 474 The Honourable PENGHULU FRANCIS UMPAU ANAK EMPAM (Sarawak).

ENCHE' YEH PAO TZE (Sabah).

ENCHE' YEOH TAT BENG (Bruas).

ENCHE' STEPHEN YONG KUET TZE (Sarawak).

ENCHE' YONG NYUK LIN (Singapore).

TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD.

TAIB (Langat).


The Honourable the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, ABSENT: ENCHE' MOHAMED KHIR JOHARI (Kedah Tengah).

the Assistant Minister of National and Rural Development and Assistant Minister of Justice, ENCHE' ABDUL-RAHMAN BIN YA'KUB (Sarawak).

TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD.

SALLEH, A.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S.

(Segamat Utara).

ENCHE' CHAN SIANG SUN (Bentong).

ENCHE' HANAFIAH BIN HUSSAIN (Jerai).

DATO' KHOO SIAK CHIEW, P.D.K.

(Sabah).


ENCHE' K OW KEE SENG (Singapore).

ENCHE' LEE SAN CHOON, K.M.N.

(Segamat Selatan).

ENCHE' LIM HUAN BOON (Singapore).

ENCHE' PETER LO SU YIN (Sabah).

ENCHE' MOHD.

TAHIR BIN ABDUL MAJID (Kuala Langat).

ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh).

ENCHE' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM (Menglembu).

ENCHE' SOH AH TECK (Batu Pahat).

ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka).

ENCHE' WEE TOON BOON (Singapore).

„ The Honourable the Minister without Portfolio, DATO' ONG YOKE LIN, P.M.N.
IN ATTENDANCE: PRAYERS (Mr Speaker in the Chair) ADJOURNMENT SINE DIE (Motion) Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved, That at its rising this day the House shall adjourn sine die.

EXEMPTED BUSINESS (Motion) The Minister of Transport (Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Mr Speaker, Sir, with your permission, I beg to move— That at its rising this day the House shall adjourn sine die.

The Minister of Education (Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib): Sir, I beg to second the motion.
Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Mr Speaker, Sir, with your permission, I beg to move— That notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 12, this House shall not adjourn today until 8.30 p.m. unless the business on the Order Paper for today has been completed.

Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

475 22 MAY 1964 476 Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 12, this House shall not adjourn today until 8.30 p.m. unless the business on the Order Paper for today has been completed.
MOTION THE YANG DI-PERTUAN AGONG'S SPEECH Address of Thanks Order read for resumption of debate on Question, "That an humble Address be presented to His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong as follows; 'Your Majesty, We, the Speaker and Members of the Dewan Ra'ayat Malaysia in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer Your Majesty our humble thanks for the Gracious Speech with which the First Session of the Second Parliament has been opened.'"
Mr Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Berhor- ia-itu mat, saya suka menerangkan, daripada pagi ini sa-hingga pukul 12 tengah hari ini, saya akan mem- beri peluang kapada beberapa orang Ahli Yang Berhormat berchakap membathkan Titah di-Raja.

Saya sedar dan saya tahu, ia-itu ramai daripada Ahli Yang Berhormat yang hendak mengambil peluang berchakap.
Kerana itu, saya merayu dan saya minta sa-kali lagi kapada Ahli2 Yang Ber hormat yang dapat peluang berchakap, sa- berchakap hendak-lah berapa pendek dan tidak-lah mengu- langi lagi apa2 yang telah di-chakapkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat yang lain.

dengan akan memberi ini Mula'i dari pukul 4.30 petang sa-hingga pukul 8.30 malam, Yang Berhormat Menteri2 bagi pehak Kera- jaan atas hujah2 yang telah di-datangkah di- per- dalam Dewan bahathan di- sambong sa-mula.

ini.
ini.

Sekarang di-Raja atas Titah jawapan Enche' Othman bin Wok (Singa pore): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, me- nyambong uchapan saya pada petang itu atau sa-malam sa-malam ada lagi satu perkara yang saya rasa harus saya sentoh sambil lalu pada pagi ini.

Ahli Yang Berhor mat bagi kawasan Pontian Selatan dalam uchapan-nya telah juga menyebutkan tentang soal gerai2 bagi orang2 Melayu di-Geylang Serai.
Saya tidak tahu sama ada Ahli Yang Berhormat sengaja jahil menjahilkan diri-nya tentang apa yang sa-benar-nya telah berlaku dalam soal tersebut.

Masaalah gerai2 orang Me layu di-Geylang Serai sudah pun selesai dalam satu perundingan yang telah di-adakan oleh Dewan Perniagaan Melayu, Singapura, dengan Menteri Kesihatan Singapura.

Satu keputusan memberi puas hati kapada Dewan Perniagaan Melayu mewakili penjual2 telah pun Melayu di-Geylang Serai di-chapai.
Kalau silap persetujuan tersebut telah pun di-siar- kan di-dalam lama dahulu.

akhbar2 tidak tidak saya negara sekarang itu yang mewujudkan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita sekarang ka-dalam telah melangkah masok telah peringkat baharu, dahulu kita Malaysia, berjuang tahun tetapi sejak 16hb September untok kita yang lalu perjuangan mewujudkan telah tersebut juga berhasil, tetapi perjuangan kita belum selesai lagi.
Apa yang harus kita perjuangkan ada-lah bagaimana kita harus mengekalkan negara Malaysia terdiri daripada negara2 Sabah, Sarawak, daripada Singapura dan Malaya berpechah-belah dan runtoh.

Ini-lah soal-nya yang mesti kita menongkan sa-dalam2-nya.

Ada-kah kita mahu negara Malaysia sa-buah negara yang tegoh, bersatu, sa-bati dari mana sa-tiap kita menchurahkan ta'at setia yang serta tidak berbelah bahagi menganggap diri masing2 sa-bagai tulin?
Atau ra'ayat Malaysia yang mahu-kah kita negara Malaysia sa- tidak balek-nya?

Tentu sa-kali kita apa rela menghanchorkan kembali yang ber- telah kita perjuangkan matian2 itu, kechuali sa-tengah2 mereka saperti Ahli2 PAS, Socialist Front, Barisan Socialist, SUPP yang berada di-kanan saya ini.
Sa-malam kita telah mendengar lima telah di-kemukakan oleh usul yang 477 22 MAY 1964 478 Ahli Yang Berhormat dari kawasan Batu, konon-nya untok menyelesaikan confrontasi yang sedang di-lancharkan oleh Indonesia terhadap negeri kita ini.

Jikalau kita semak baik2 usul2 itu, nyata-lah sa-kira-nya usul2 itu kita terima, maka kedudokan kita bagi menghadapi confrontasi Indonesia akan menjadi lemah.

Ini-lah yang di-tunggu2 oleh Sukarno dan Parti Komunis tentera2 Com Indonesia.
monwealth di-tarek balek dan peng- kalan yang ada di-sini di-tutup, saya rasa jam Sukarno akan mengirim tentera2-nya ka-sini dan Malaysia akan di-telan bulat2 oleh tidak payah di- Indonesia dengan mamah-nya tenggelam ka- lagi dan dalam perut Indonesia saperti batu.

tidak sampai 48 Jikalau Dari sekarang, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tugas kita ia-lah untok mengiratkan perpaduan ra'ayat Malaysia yang ter- diri dari berbilang bangsa.

Ada-lah menjadi tugas kita untok mengekal abadikan perpaduan ini.
Dengan per paduan dan kekuatan ini-lah kita akan dapat menentang sa-barang penchero- bohan dari luar dan pencherobohan dari dalam negeri ini dari anasir2 dan pengkhianat2-nya yang anti-national.

telah melihat sa-malam bagai- Kita mana timbul perpechahan di- telah antara Socialist Front dengan Barisan Sosialis.

Socialist Front telah pun menyatakan pendirian mereka terhadap tetapi Barisan Sosialis confrontasi, belum lagi, saya kira mereka maseh menunggu arahan2 daripada "back seat driver" mereka.
diri-nya Dalam Uchapan Titah-nya Seri di-Pertuan Paduka Baginda Yang Agong telah juga menyebutkan tentang perkara Kerajaan Malaysia hendak mendampingkan dengan negara2 Afro-Asia.

Ini memang-lah satu dasar yang amat baik, walau pun sudah terlambat.

Sa-harus-nya perhu- bongan irat dengan negara2 Afro-Asia sudah di-lakukan lama dahulu sa- belum Malaysia di-wujudkan agar salah di-kalangan faham negara2 Afro-Asia pem- bentokan Malaysia.
Waktu saya meng- hadhiri Sidang Negara2 Setia-kawan Afro-Asia yang telah di-langsongkan di-Moshi, Tanganyika, pada bulan February tahun yang lalu, saya telah terhadap berlaku tidak jahil-nya negara2 Afro-Asia sa- mendapati bagaimana tentang tengah Malaya dan ranchangan Malaysia.

Kerana itu-lah di'ayah falsu Indonesia, Communist China dan Russia yang menentang Malaysia telah di-telan bulat2 oleh negara2 tersebut.
Apabila saya kembali ka-Kuala Lumpur, saya telah menemui Tunku Perdana Menteri beliau dan mengeshorkan kapada supaya Malaya mengirimkan segera satu rombongan untok mengunjongi negara2 Afrika dan menerangkan ranchangan Malaysia, tetapi sa-hingga Malaysia sudah terbentok, baharu-lah rombongan sa-umpama itu di-kirimkan ka-Afrika dengan di-ketuai oleh Per dana Menteri Singapura .

.

.. Mr Speaker: Berapa anggar-nya?


lama lagi Enche' Othman bin Wok: Hendak di-katakan panjang, ta' panjang, Tuan saya agak2 Yang di-Pertua, dalam 10 minit lagi.

tetapi Mr Speaker: Saya tidak-lah hendak menyekat kebebasan Yang Berhormat berchakap, peluang kapada Ahli2 yang lain supaya mereka juga dapat mengeluarkan fikiran-nya.

tetapi beri-lah Enche' Othman bin Wok: Lima minit lagi.

Mr pendek.
Mr pendek.

Speaker: Chuba sa-berapa faham lain2-nya Enche' Othman bin Wok: Hasil dari penerangan2 yang telah di-buat oleh rombongan tersebut, beberapa buah negeri, saperti Algeria, Nigeria, Ghana tetang telah dan masaalah Malaysia dan telah berjanji akan menchari jalan untok membantu Malaysia bagi menyelesaikan masaalah Indonesia.

confrontasi Jalan untok serta mengiratkan per- merapatkan hubongan kita dengan negara2 Afrika telah terbuka.

Terpulang-lah kapada Kerajaan untok mengekalkan-nya.
harapan Ada-lah menjadi saya, Kerajaan akan berusaha untok menam- lagi Kedutaan-nya di-negeri: bahkan ini dan melengkapkan Kedutaan2 ter sebut dengan orang2 yang berpenga- laman dan bijak, dan bukan dengan ahli2 politik yang sudah tidak laku di-dalam negeri ini.
479 22 MAY 1964 480 Akhir-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ingin menegaskan sa-kali lagi saya bahawa sa-bagai Parti Pembangkang yang ta'at setia dan rela berkurban untok kepentingan national dan ber- sedia memberi tegoran2 yang membena dalam soal2 dalam negeri.

Saya meng- harapkan segala tegoran yang di- kemukakan oleh kami dalam Dewan ini sa-moga-nya mendapat perhatian dari pehak Kerajaan.
to that reasons Enche' Ling Beng Siew (Sarawak): Mr Speaker, Sir, I fully support the motion by the Honourable Member for Port Dickson to thank His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong for the Address delivered in this House.

The people in Sarawak, free from colonial rule, have good look forward to a happy and bright future within Malaysia.
They feel confident that their future will be happy and bright, because the Alliance policy takes into consideration the interests and welfare of all our people, irrespective of the racial origins and irrespective of the State boundaries.

The Alliance Government's policy, as in His Majesty's Address, outlined shows foresight and determination, justice and fairness.
The recent victory of the Alliance in the elections has proved conclusively the vast majority of our people are standing firmly behind the Alliance Government.

Typical of the pro-Soekarno elements the Honourable Member for Batu yesterday again harped on the worn- out line that the people in Sarawak were rushed joining Malaysia without self-determination.

Elections in Sarawak the universal adult suffrage, showed that about 75 per cent of the voters voted for the pro-Malaysia candidates.
The election was carried out in the proper manner, with no complaint from the Opposition.

Among 24 districts the anti-Malaysia party won in only five districts.

All these can be verified by facts and figures.

They are also confirmed by the Secretary-General of the United Nations in his Malaysia Report.

Soekarno refused to publish the United Nation's Report on Malay sia.
The Socialist Front also tried to the misrepresent last year, based on facts during into the recent elections, but their baseless argument was totally rejected by the people.

Mr Speaker, Sir, the world knows that the people of Sarawak have had their self-determination.

We in Sarawak do not want Soekarno to determine our fate; neither do we want the Honourable Member for Batu to deter mine our fate for us.
We have now chosen to become part and parcel of Malaysia and we shall defend Malay sia's honour and integrity at any cost.

(Applause): I cannot understand the logic of the Honourable Member for Batu when he said his Party was prepared to defend Malaysia, yet he liked President Soekarno, wanted British troops to withdraw from our defence positions.

Has he not heard that Soekarno is determined to crush Malaysia with his 21 million volun teers?

Is he not aware that we are a nation of only 10 million people?
In the such face of aggression of magnitude, is it not logical that we must seek the help of our friends to defend our nation?

Sarawak is bearing the brunt of Soekarno's confrontation, but anyone who cares to visit Sarawak will see that the people's determination to fight the aggressor is very strong.

The confrontation has in no way lowered our will and our determination to play our full role in building a happy and prosperous Malaysia.

to note living.
to note living.

When In this respect, Mr Speaker, Sir, I am happy that generous provisions have been made to speed up social and economic development the gap in Sarawak.

To narrow between the "haves" and "have-nots" the rural people in Sarawak must receive maximum assistance from the Government to improve their standard the farmers and of gardeners become prosperous so will the town become prosperous.
To combat poverty and ignorance, to bring about progress generally, Education in Sarawak must receive special attention from the Government.

Compared with Malaya, the standard of education in Sarawak is hoped that the primary school fees in Sarawak will soon be abolished and that post-primary education will soon is very far behind.

It 481 22 MAY 1964 482 be provided for all boys and girls.

Thank you.
Thank you.

Enche' Ong Kee Hui (Sarawak): Mr Speaker, Sir, in the Royal Address His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong stated that we in Malaysia are living in critical times.

Those of us who come from the Borneo States of Malaysia are in a position to appre ciate perhaps more than others what His Majesty's words imply, because in the confrontation of Malaysia by Indonesia we in Borneo are at the front line and bearing the brunt of the attack.
For us in the Borneo States the position under normal circumstances would be difficult enough, due to the stress and strain which are inevitable in the transitional period and in the division of powers between the States and the Central Government.

To use an analogy, Mr Speaker, Sir, for us the wooing and honeymoon are over, the marriage has been consummated, and we have to adjust ourselves to the first few years of married life.
This adjustment is difficult enough for us in Borneo who have entered, if I may say so, a harem where there are eleven other wives more matured and more sophisticated than ourselves.

Further, life becomes even more anxious and worrying for us, when we have to live with a frustrated, ardent and ruthless neighbour living next door.

Yesterday, in his speech the Prime Minister of Singapore talked of centrifugal and centripetal forces which will make or break Malaysia.
I am putting it in more simple and non technical language that our people in the long houses can understand.

the Honourable in Like many others from a natural desire the Borneo States, we in the SUPP had strong reservations about the marriage.

This springs for freedom from any ties, although the security of a married life is obvious and apparent to many; we are also conscious of and responsibilities of a married life.
We are not unaware that the world today is not a safe place for virgins or unattached females, but we had a step father, who was supposed to look after the obligations and administration and safeguard us in accordance with undertaking certain principles given by him.

I refer, Mr Speaker, Sir, the nine cardinal principles of to Brooks rule, which Her Majesty's Government of the United Kingdom had pledged itself to uphold, when she took of the over Sarawak.
When the Malaysia Plan was first announced, we were reminded of the cession of Sarawak by the Rajah of Sarawak to the United Kingdom as a colony and of that unhappy episode in our history, which caused so much unhappiness and which cost the lives of one colonial governor and four misguided young Malays.

It gives us little comfort today to know that our fears are justified and we face even greater that unhappy period of our history.
than during troubles I mention this, Mr Speaker, Sir, so that Honourable Members can under stand our fears and our misgivings, and why it was that the people of Sarawak proved so difficult over the formation of Malaysia.

To return to my analogy, Mr Speaker, Sir, now that the marriage has taken place, we must not only be reconciled to the situation but, in the interest of all, try and make a success of it.
This marriage can only succeed, if there is mutual understanding among the members of this new family of is, therefore, a matter of States.

It regret to us in the SUPP that the Honourable the Prime Minister of Singapore had seen fit to pay us a few compliments and tag a red label on the SUPP.

We, in fact, expect a little more sympathy from him than from, shall we say, the Honourable Ministers opposite, for it was not so very long ago that a similar label was tied to the PAP.
Who knows, Sir, that history may yet repeat itself, and the SUPP may emerge from the political wilder ness as the PAP did and assume the same degree of respectability that they now claim.

In his speech, the Honourable the Prime Minister of Singapore referred to the wind of change and the chasm that exists between the PAP and the other opposition parties.

With due respect, may I suggest that changes to 483 22 MAY 1964 484 constantly take place around us in nature in an unstatic world.
As move ments on the earth's crust create these chasms, so can further movements and convulsions remove them.

In any case, chasms can be bridged and should be bridged or filled up, if we wish to build a road in Malaysia that will bring us to the promised land, where we can find happiness and prosperity for our people.

To that end, it behoves us to find common ground and areas of agreement instead of finding faults and looking for differences.
Whatever the Honourable the Prime Minister of Singapore may say of us, we have on numerous occasions proved ourselves to be a responsible opposition.

We had no hesitation whenever national interests were involved to set aside party interest.
It is on record that I, as Chairman of SUPP, had when the Brunei revolt took place made a public appeal to our members to dissociate themselves from the rebels, and we had no hesitation in suspending two branches at Kiah and Sibuti when some people of Brunei origin got involved in the revolt.

Furthermore, in response to the appeal of the Govern ment, we called off a rally at Miri which had taken our members several months to prepare and which was scheduled to take place at that time.
We have consistently adhered to the principles of achieving our political aims by constitutional means.

In the confrontation by Indonesia we have unequivocably declared that we will fight to maintain the territorial integrity of our country.

All these are on record and there is no gainsaying it.

Having made our stand clear on such national issues and manifested our loyalty, we are therefore aggrieved by the recent action of the Government in closing our party branch in Lundu and a sub-branch at Sampadi.
For the information of this House, this Branch and sub-branch had in fact ceased to function, and there was no creditable evidence that in fact the Branch and sub-branch had been used for sub versive and illegal activities.

In the Government statement on the closing of the Branch and sub-branch, the names of certain persons and their supporters and alleged activities were mentioned.

Many of these persons said to be our party officials are not even members of the Party.
We therefore, cannot but see in this a move by the Government to intimidate our to destroy SUPP, the only effective opposi tion party in Sarawak.

If we really sub scribe to the principles of parliamentary democracy, we must deplore action such as this, and I would appeal to the Government in the interest of national unity this matter.
Such action must in the end undermine the confidence of our people in our Government and alienate their feelings, when there is vital need to rally the people to the defence of the nation threatened by aggression.

to review The role that the SUPP is playing in the State is that of a loyal opposition, a watchdog of the people, keeping the State Government up to the mark and on the straight and narrow path, ever-ready however to co-operate with the Government should the national interests demand it.
of introduction the Sarawak view point Here in the House our number is small, but nevertheless we are here as representatives of the people of Sarawak to look after their interests and to contribute in discussion and put forth in matters of national interest.

In pur suance of this aim, I wish to refer to the subject of education, which is a burning issue in Sarawak.

Reference is made in His Majesty's Address to the introduction of a comprehensive school system.
The an additional three years of post-primary education in the peninsula states of Malaysia is a welcomed innovation.

We the SUPP have for years agitated for such a scheme under the colonial regime.

Although in numbers our urban population is not large, nevertheless the spectacle of 70% of our school population being let loose on the streets at the age of 12 or 13, with no prospect of employment until they reach the age of 15 or 16, is a matter of grave concern to us.
Unfor tunately, there is no indication as to whether this scheme is to be extended to the Borneo States and, if so, when.
Further, although we have both in our in 485 22 MAY 1964 486 in to that that send to us financially Council Negri and here in this House sought clarification from the Honour able the Minister of Education as to when free primary education, which the people of the peninsula States now enjoy, is to be extended to Sarawak, there is no indication in the Royal Address fact, be it will, extended to Sarawak.
It is a matter of regret immediately after Malaysia Day that free primary educa tion is not introduced to the Borneo States, as its psychological impact on our people will be tremendous.

There are a large number of people in the rural and interior areas who find it their difficult children to school or keep them there, and Malaysia will therefore have a real meaning to these people if they were relieved of this anxiety.
As it stands now, the introduction of three additional years of post-primary educa tion will only have the unfortunate effect of widening the educational gap between the peninsula States and the Borneo States.

Lastly, there are dis quieting rumours that the introduction of free primary education into Borneo is held up by the Federal Government's insistence the Borneo States adopting the same curriculum that is now in use in the peninsula States.
If this is true, such insistence is not in keeping with the Inter-Governmental and Report agreement which the basis of Malaysia.

We formed wish to seek clarification and assurance on the points which I have raised on the subject from the Honourable the Minister of Education.

the on for Reference has been made by some speakers to the subject of the special rights of the Malays.

I do not wish to raise communal issues but would make that just one comment.
We think giving more openings and better opportunities the have-nots of whatever race is right and proper, if we wish to have a more equal society.

Disquieting information has, however, the been given us peninsula States preferential treatment is given on racial grounds in promo tion in the services.
I stand open to correction, Sir, but if this is true, it is my earnest hope that such a practice that here in is not perpetuated, for nothing will undermine Malaysia more than a policy of racial discrimination.

the Dayaks and In his speech yesterday the Honour able the Prime Minister of Singapore sounded a warning on the pulls on the loyalties of the different communities in Malaysia by the countries of their racial origin.
We are in entire agree ment with his views, but he had omitted the other indigenous races in the Borneo states, who must inevitably look across the Indonesian Borneo border, for nowhere else in Asia are to be found the same people.

Our people in Sarawak have high expectations of Malaysia, and we must not fail them.

Now that Malaysia is an accomplished fact, I say in all sincerity that we are here to make it work.
itu sa-lain daripada Dato' Nik Ahmad Kamil (Kota Bharu Hilir): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berdiri ini ia-lah kerana hendak menyertai Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang telah berchakap menyampaikan ucha- pan junjong kaseh kapada Duli Yang Maha Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda Yang di-Pertuan Agong, kerana titah uchapan-nya kapada Ahli2 Yang Ber hormat Dewan Negara dan Dewan Ra'ayat pada hari Thalatha yang lepas.
Saya kerana ingatkan pesanan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dan mengindah- kan pesanan tidak-lah berhajat hendak berchakap panjang pada hari saya ini, hanya menyertal menyokong mempersembah- kan uchapan junjong kaseh ada satu dua hendak yang sentohkan.

Saya anggap kapada titah itu uchapan Seri Paduka Baginda pada pembukaan Dewan Parlimen ia-lah yang sangat2 sa-bagai titah penting.
Sebab pembukaan Dewan ini Parlimen yang kedua Malaysia sa-lepas sahaja daripada pilehan raya yang lepas menunjokkan satu riwayat baharu dalam pemerentahan Kerajaan Perikatan di-dalam negara Malaysia.

sa-ramai2-nya Ra'ayat telah memileh memberi keperchayaan sa-kali lagi kapada Kerajaan Perikatan.
Kerajaan Perikatan telah memerentah Persekutuan dahulu sejak tahun 1955 lepas daripada pilehan raya pertama, kedua Malaysia Persekutuan perkara yang saya satu ini 487 22 MAY 1964 488 dan sa-bagai telah pileh keperchayaan dan kehasilan pilehan raya yang lepas ra'ayat menunjokkan yang ramai-nya kapada kebolehan dan kemampuan Kerajaan Perikatan meng- arahkan negara Malaysia ini menuju kapada kemajuan dan kema'amoran kebolehan Kerajaan (Tepok), Perikatan mempertahankan kedaulatan negara Malaysia ini serta memeliha- rakan maruah negara yang berdaulat.
Kita chorak pemerentahan negeri ini ia-lah Kera jaan berparlimen.

demokrasi yang Yaitu Kerajaan ra'ayat memerentah melalui wakil2 ra'ayat.

Baharu2 ini kita telah adakan pilehan raya, kalau tidak salah ingatan saya pilehan raya yang ketiga di-dalam negara kita Semenan- jong Tanah Melayu ini.

Jikalau saya renong balek kapada pilehan raya lepas saya menyoal diri saya yang telah membuat sendiri ada-kah kita satu keputusan yang bijak memileh chorak berkerajaan chara demokrasi berparlimen?
Itu dia saya soal diri saya sendiri.

Betapa-kah saya me- matutkan menyoal diri saya sa-bagitu, Jawab-nya Tuan Yang di-Pertua?

bagini.
Jikalau-lah sa-kira-nya kerana sa-mata2 berkehendakkan kuasa pemerentahan, kita telah lupa dan memejamkan mata dengan segala daripada terkeluar perbuatan yang adab sopan yang telah di-ikuti dan di-amanahi oleh musharakat yang ber- tanggong-jawab dan menggalakkan perbuatan2 yang menyalahi undang2, tutor kata menggunakan perkataan yang kotor2 dan jikalau dengan jalan itu-lah kita menuju hendak memegang- kan teraju kerajaan maka saya shak dalam hati saya sendiri, ada-kah kita berkerajaan berchorak demokrasi ber parlimen yang mematutkan dan me- wajibkan mengadakan pilehan raya itu satu kita kerajaan patut ikut di-negeri ini.
Tetapi apabila saya memikir panjang dan menim- bangkan dengan halus-nya, walau pun telah berlaku perkara2 yang sa-bagitu, saya kapada chorak2 pemerentahan demokrasi yang berparlimen ini.

sedia perchaya berazam chorak yang lagi raya Pada pilehan lepas menurut atoran demokrasi sa-ramai2 ra'ayat Kelantan telah memileh sa-kali teraju lagi parti PAS memegang yang telah tuboh jawab hampir bermula memerentah mentadbir negeri Kelan tan.
Saya tidak kesal dan saya tidak rasa sakit hati, sebab ra'ayat sendiri telah menjatohkan hukuman.

Ra'ayat sendiri telah menggunakan kuasa-nya telah sendiri.

Perlembagaan kapada mempertanggongkan ra'ayat.

Tetapi jikalau sa-kira-nya kita perhati daripada kehasilan angka yang terbit dari pilehan raya negeri saya yang lepas maka di-situ saya boleh kata, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, angin perubahan bertiup di-pantai timor nanti (Tepok).
Jikalau kita bandingkan pada tahun 1959 dahulu yang mana hanya 27% sahaja daripada ra'ayat Kelantan memileh parti Perikatan, pada kali yang lepas ini bersetuju memileh parti Perikatan (Tepok).

Maka ini dengan terang nyata-lah bagaimana saya kata angin perubahan telah mula bertiup di-pantai timor.
Ini menunjok sa-ramai2-nya orang kan yang memileh Perikatan telah berupaya mengikiskan chuchi daripada fikiran keperchayaan mereka, segala karat2 dan kekotoran rachun2 yang telah masok ka-dalam menjadi darah daging mereka sa-lama lima lepas (Tepok).

Sekarang tahun yang bagi tahun yang akan datang, Kerajaan Negeri akan di-tadbirkan oleh Parti Islam sa-Tanah Melayu.
Pehak Perikatan yang ada sembilan orang Ahli di-sana akan menjadi satu pehak Pembangkang yang akan boleh membena dan menolong Kerajaan PAS dalam tadbiran-nya.

bilangan telah 44% lima dan itu tengok segala2 Saya telah bacha dan tatap dengan halus-nya Titah Uchapan Duli Yang Maha Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda dalam masa dua hari yang lepas.
Bukan main lagi bangga-nya hati saya melihat, apa yang di-susun yang akan menjadi rancha- ngan2, bagi tahun hadapan yang akan membayangkan juga ranchangan2 bagi pehak Kerajaan Pusat pada masa pemerentahan mereka akan datang sa-lama lima tahun lagi.

Tetapi saya soal diri saya, sa-banyak mana- akan dapat kah menekmati daripada rancha ngan2 yang telah di-susun itu?

ra'ayat Kelantan segala yang Enche' Abdul Razak bin Haji Hussin (Lipis): Ya, itu soal-nya!
489 22 MAY 1964 490 Dato' Nik Ahmad Kamil: Itu yang saya soal diri saya.

Di-pehak saya, saya masok dalam pilehan raya yang lepas menawarkan diri saya kapada ra'ayat Kelantan untok menyuarakan bagi pehak mereka, jikalau mereka berkehendakkan kapada saya.
Sa-lama lima tahun yang lepas, ra'ayat Kelantan telah menderita, menanggong kerugian yang amat sangat, sebab ta' dapat merasai kelazatan daripada beberapa ranchangan yang telah di-susun oleh Kerajaan Perikatan dahulu di-dalam Negeri2 yang lain yang di-perentah oleh Kerajaan Perikatan.
Tetapi, pada diri saya, apa pun Kerajaan me- merentah, sama ada Kerajaan Puteh, atau Kerajaan Hitam, atau Kerajaan Kuning, pokok yang akhir-nya ia-lah yang kita kena layankan, dan bichara- ia-lah manusia, Tuan Yang kan, di-Pertua.

Manusia, laki2 dan perem- puan, muda dan tua, besar dan kechil.
Oleh itu, dalam masa yang singkat ini, yang di-untokkan kapada saya jika sa-kira- saya suka-lah bertanya nya pehak yang bertanggongan Kera jaan Perikatan boleh menyatakan di- Dewan ini, apa-kah akan menjadi policy pandangan Kerajaan Perikatan kapada Negeri saya negeri Kelantan sa-lama lima tahun yang akan datang ini?

Apa-kah chadangan2 Kerajaan Perikatan hendak di-tujukan kapada pendudok2 dan ra'ayat negeri Kelan saya boleh agak tan?
Barangkali, jawapan daripada pehak rasa-nya, Kerajaan Perikatan, kami tolong Kelantan, sa-lama ta' mahu telah lima lepas, kami tahun yang tetapi ma- menawarkan pertolongan, lang-nya Kerajaan Negeri yang di- bawah pemerentahan PAS dahulu tidak suka hendak bekerjasama, atau tidak suka hendak menerima pertolongan", itu boleh betul.
Jika sa-kira-nya betul-lah bagitu, saya mengambil peluang ini menyeru kapada pehak Kerajaan PAS di-negeri Kelantan, hendak-lah mereka ketepi- kan, jikalau boleh, buang-lah ka-laut segala sentiment2 politik mereka dan ingat-lah mereka keadaan ra'ayat2 di-Kelantan.
Bekerjasama-lah Kerajaan itu dengan Kerajaan Pusat, mudah2an dapat-lah ra'ayat Kelantan yang telah terkebelakang sa-lama ini jawapan saya jadi agak "bukan kapada dapat merasai lazat nekmat daripada pertolongan yang boleh di-hulorkan Itu-lah per- oleh Kerajaan Pusat.

mintaan dan saya kapada seruan Kerajaan PAS Negeri Kelantan .

.. Enche' Mustapha bin Ahmad (Tanah Merah): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, minta penjelasan.

Mr Speaker: {Kapada Dato' Nik Ahmad Kamil) Dia minta penjelasan boleh?
Di-benarkan dia minta pen jelasan?

Dato' Nik Ahmad Kamil: Boleh, Tuan Speaker.

Enche' Mustapha bin Ahmad: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya minta Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Kota Bharu Hilir itu menyebutkan, apa-kah benda yang Kerajaan PAS Negeri Kelantan tidak terima, sekian.
lain tidak Dato' Nik Ahmad Kamil: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, satu daripada-nya yang saya faham, ranchangan yang Kerajaan PAS dahulu terima satu pertolongan daripada sa-bagai Kerajaan Perikatan ia-lah Ranchangan Tanah yang di-buka dengan luas-nya di-Negeri2 di-mana Kerajaan Perikatan memerentah pada peringkat Negeri.

Ra'ayat Kelantan telah lapar tanah2.


Ra'ayat dan dahaga kapada Kelantan terdiri daripada orang2 yang miskin, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kerana tidak di-buka Ranchangan Tanah, telah banyak dari pada mereka, beratus hingga beribu faham saya telah pergi ka-Trengganu, telah pergi ka-Pahang, meminta tanah daripada Kerajaan2 dua buah Negeri itu.
ia-lah ra'ayat yang saya Itu satu daripada ranchangan, atau pertolongan yang faham saya Kerajaan PAS di-negeri Kelantan dahulu tidak suka hendak menerima daripada Kera jaan Perikatan, dan sa-besar2 itu-lah fikir boleh pertolongan yang faedah membawa ra'ayat kapada ia-itu Ranchangan Pem- Kelantan, sa-luas2-nya bukaan Tanah dengan supaya boleh ra'ayat Kelantan dapat hidup dengan sama sa-imbang, sa-taraf dengan ra'ayat2 Melayu di-Negeri2 lain yang sa-lama empat lima tahun yang lepas, telah merasa kelazatan nekmat daripada pembukaan tanah di-Negeri2 lain.
telah dapat nekmat 491 22 MAY 1964 492 Eriche' Mustapha bin Ahmad: Saya mahu minta penjelasan.

Mr Speaker: (Kapada Dato' Nik Ahmad Kamil) Dia mahu minta pen jelasan, boleh benarkan.

Enche' Mustapha bin Ahmad: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, masaalah pembukaan tanah dalam negeri Kelantan, itu kami punya policy sendiri.

Sa-lama kami berkuasa dalam negeri Kelantan, maka chara kami ada-lah hak kami untok mengator negeri Kelantan.

di-dalam policy Mr Speaker: Itu bukan penjelasan, itu penerangan.
Enche' Mustapha bin Ahmad: Jadi, erti-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua .

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(Di-sampok).

Mr Speaker: Biar saya sahaja yang memberikan hukuman, jangan ramai yang berchakap.

Enche' Mustapha bin Ahmad: Di- telah mem negeri Kelantan, kami buka .

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Mr Speaker: Sabar dahulu!

Awak hendak minta penjelasan; yang awak berchakap ini penerangan daripada pehak awak.

Penjelasan ma'ana-nya awak hendak menjelaskan apa dia benda itu.

Enche' Mustapha bin Ahmad: Terima kaseh, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.
Kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat itu tadi apa-kah kami dalam negeri Kelantan tidak membuka tanah?

Apa- kah negeri kami dengan negeri2 yang lebeh banyak negeri2 lain itu lain membuka tanah mengikut persen negeri?

Sekian, terima kaseh.

Data' Nik Ahmad Kamil: Tuan Yang di-Pertua—Tuan Yang di-Pertua telah memberi pesanan pada pagi ini sa-hingga pukul 12 sahaja di-beri peluang kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat beruchap.

Sa-bagaimana saya katakan tadi, saya tidak hendak mengambil masa yang panjang.
Saya menyeru kapada Kerajaan di-negeri Kelantan, minta-lah bekerjasama, jika sa-kira-nya chara2 mereka itu hendak bekerjasama yang lepas, yang tidak boleh membawa kedua2 pehak itu kapada segi yang boleh membuat PAS kerja, maka tertanggong-lah kapada itu Kerajaan PAS Negeri Kelantan memikirkan panjang dan mengubah chorak2 kerjasama, atau chara2 yang mereka itu boleh bekerjasama.
Jikalau saya hendak bersharah di-sini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan chorak2 dan chara bagaimana-kah Kerajaan PAS di-Negeri Kelantan membuka tanah, tentu-lah saya akan mengambil masa yang panjang.

Saya ini dengan kerana Allah menyeru kapada Kerajaan PAS meminta mereka bekerjasama untok demi kepentingan ra'ayat negeri Kelan tan.

(Tepok).

Saya minta mereka lupakan soal2 parti; itu sahaja.

Parti politik itu minta lupakan.

Enche' Mustapha bin Ahmad: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, minta penerangan.
ra'ayat Dato' Nik Ahmad Kamil: Itu-lah yang membawa permintaan saya, dengan ikhlas, dengan kerana Allah, bukan saya hendak mengkaji parti politik mereka.

Dengan jalan politik telah memileh Parti PAS, PAS memerentah negeri Kelantan.

maka tertanggong-lah pada Parti PAS melihat, menengok supaya jangan-lah orang2 ra'ayat2 di-negeri Kelantan itu tertinggal ka-belakang.
Jikalau mereka tidak mampu membuat, atau men- ranchangan, maka jalankan di-sini-lah berseru meminta mereka bekerjasama dengan Kerajaan Pusat; itu sahaja permintaan saya.

apa2 saya Demikian-lah, terima kaseh banyak.

(Tepok).
(Tepok).

Enche' Tan Toh Hong (Bukit Bintang): Mr Speaker, Honourable Members, on behalf of the people of Bukit Bintang and myself, may I express our appreciation to His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong on the delivery of his Gracious Speech, a speech which is simplicity in style and comprehensive in its implications.
Mr Speaker, Sir, being here for the first time, I am most proud to be a this august House of Member of parliamentary sovereignty, eloquent of that true democracy which dignifies the individual human being of Malaysia.

At the same time, I am also most humbled by the enormous tasks ahead of us in the five years to come, which 493 22 MAY 1964 494 we are duty bound to perform.
Bearing this heavy and responsible in mind duty of furthering the welfare of our people, I am shocked and utterly dismayed by the quality of debates of some of leaders of Opposition parties.

the The leader of the Socialist Front charged the Alliance as warmongers without giving any concrete, relevant speech.

in his hour-long evidence Rightly or wrongly, the leader of the P.A.P.

charged the Socialist Front as a communist open-front organisation.
We have yet to hear proof from the Honourable Member from Singapore.

The leader of the P.P.P., the Honour able Member for Ipoh, accused the Alliance of the Malays cheating through rural development.

Again, it is full-stop there.

There is no proof; there is no further explanation.

I have never in my life, Mr Speaker, Sir, heard of such a sweeping, general and false statement.

I would like to rebut this false statement by the Honourable Member for Ipoh, who is, unfortu nately, not here this morning.
The Alliance has opened up 500,000 acres of land in its nine years rule and that has given hope, promise and financial security to well over 40,000 families who were mostly landless people before.

Apart from making sweeping statements, he even sank to lower implied smear launch an attack of against the Honourable one Members of this House.
I am most perturbed, Mr Speaker, Sir, that in this House of high parliamentary ideals, he should challenge and ridicule the personal qualifications of one of our Honourable Members as to his quali fication for holding public office.

of Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Member for Ipoh claimed that he had been associated with parliamentary democracy since 1955; and rightly so—he has.
But surely a politician of so many years standing would know by now that the basic essence and concept of parliamentary democracy is the concept of elected representatives?

The fact that we are all here in this House—including, I regret to say, the Honourable Member for Ipoh—is the best qualification of all.

Each and trust everyone of us here holds a mandate the people, upholding a high from position of that transcends all qualifications.
Therefore, Mr Speaker, Sir, I strongly deplore and protest such insinuating vile attack from one parlia mentarian to another parliamentarian.

and I hope we will hear no more of such attack.


in the leaders of Sir, I have sat patiently this House for the last two days listening to some of the speeches, and for that matter the opening speeches of some of the Opposition; namely the Honourable Prime Minister of Singapore, the Member for Ipoh, the Member for Batu and the Member for Pasir Puteh, and I have heard nothing but mainly a chattering verbal warfare on party politics.
the high trust placed Whilst our land are being invaded and our people killed, these political to be leaders, who have pledged worthy of in them, engaged in a verbal mahjong of "I pong you and you pong me; and you are no good, I am better than you."

Similarly, while a very likelihood of all our homes being ravaged by fire of war and destruction, the Honourable Member for Ipoh spoke in all earnestness on the problem of putting political poster on a rubber tree.
there the is Mr Speaker, Sir, I regret to say that although I am a "freshie", I would like to lodge a vote of protest against these honourable seniors and seasoned politicians on the quality of debates.

I am sure they need not be reminded of the function of the Opposition, and that intelligently and constructively.

is, to oppose rich Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like to touch on some aspects of the speech by the Honourable the Prime Minister of Singapore.
It was a good speech in high (Laughter), a speech sounding phrases and slogans.

He strongly urged for the need to inculcate in our people a spirit of national identity and unity.

But he conveniently forgot that the Alliance Government has urged all along that the to survive we must unite, and people know this too, and the people to mention 495 22 MAY 1964 496 have so spoken on the historic day of April 25th.

(Hear, hear).
(Hear, hear).

It is May 22nd today and I regret to say that the Honourable Member from Singapore is somewhat behind time.

this external and they got Nevertheless, what we all here would like to know is how the Honourable Member would like us to go about inculcating sense of national identity and unity.

We know what to the do, but we would like to hear details of his proposal.

One of my colleagues asked me yesterday what are centrifugal and centripetal forces (Laughter) pressure?
to do with What have national I was identity and unity?

placed in a most awkward position, because, perhaps, I am not a seasoned political thinker to be able to explain it in simple human terms.

So, all I could say was what was meant was that we are tin of packed sardines.

When the lid is open and left there, either the cat has come to eat them or the sardines are still there, perhaps not as crowded as they were before.
In all seriousness, the Honour able Member from Singapore, please, let us have concrete, detailed and down to earth proposals, if he has any!

like a In the second part of his speech, touching on the Indonesian problem, he said that the most important tasks ahead of us is—and I quote—how to resolve confrontation without under mining the security and integrity of Malaysia.

I am still waiting to hear on how he would propose to go about it.
I shall appreciate it, if the Honourable Member, could enlighten us with his plans in concrete terms, in language and that everyone can understand know to resolve this matter of confrontation.

We all want to resolve it too.

the meaning of, on how At any rate, I feel heartened, and I must he congratulate him, when referred to our relations with Indonesia as the confrontation issue, whereas the Honourable Members for Ipoh and for Batu referred to it as the Malaysia issue.
There is a very important and basic difference in these two terms, so fundamentally different, that what we are going to do ahead of us depends on a clear conception of the meaning and implications of these two terms.

Confrontation issue—"Yes"; Malay sia issue—"No".

Malaysia is no more an issue at all, just as the Member just now.
from Sarawak had said Malaysia is now a concrete political entity, established by the free wishes and self-determination of a substantial majority of people the component States.

living in by fact that The Nations ascertained the people freely aspiring to be Malaysians is beyond It has been proved and question.

independently the Secretary-General United working committees, by the referendum in Singapore, by in Sabah and Sarawak, in Singapore, and now in Malaya.
Malaysia is a political reality, and I would like to urge the Socialist Front the Barisan Sosialis not to talk any more on the Malaysia issue, because they cannot undo Malaysia, as it has come about through the free wishes of the majority of the people.

the elections and It Confrontation issue—"Yes".

their propaganda machines is the Indonesians who confront us; it is not us who confront Indonesia.

They used to crush us, and they failed miserably.


Now, they are using militant guerillas to attack us in our territories.

On the other hand, we have done no wrong to the Indonesians.

We want only to live in peace, so that we can concentrate our energies and resources to continue to develop our economy and to give our people a better standard of living.

Knowing that we want peace despe rately.


Soekarno and the Partai Ko- munis Indonesia want us now to attend a Summit Conference for negotiation, while their militant guerillas are still in our territory.

We want peace— "Yes".

But we will not negotiate for peace when our sacred land is being occupied, because sovereignty cannot be and is not negotiable, and never will be negotiable so the Alliance Government in power.

(Applause).
(Applause).

long as is In this concept of sovereignty and fundamental the Nation difference between the Alliance here lies the 497 22 MAY 1964 498 on one side and the Opposition parties of the P.M.I.P., the Barisan Sosialis and the Socialist Front Dr Tan Chee Khoon: On a point of clarification, Mr Speaker, Sir.

Mr Speaker: Just a minute.

I will ask him.

(To Enche Tan Toh Hong) Do you give way?

Enche' Tan Toh Hong: Yes.


the Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Yesterday I said that we must have peace, but peace with honour, peace that safe guards integrity of our Nation.

Perhaps, the Honourable Member for the Bukit Bintang did not have benefit of a transcript of my speech, or maybe he did not hear me quite properly.

Mr Speaker: (To Enche Tan Toh Hong) Please proceed.

Enche' Tan Toh Hong: I thank the Honourable Member for Batu for the point of clarification.
I said at the very beginning of my speech on this subject that there is a lot of difference issue" between the terms, "Malaysia and "Confrontation is where our fundamental difference lies, is based on thinking because our different conceptions of the problems involved.

I must acknowledge that the Honourable Member for Batu had said that he wanted peace with honour and integrity, and we accept that.

issue".
issue".

That of collapse impending struggle among Coming back to this, why do the Indonesians want to crush us?

Why do they do this?

No one knows for sure, except Soekarno and perhaps a few others.

It could be that in view of the their stagnating economy and of the internal power the various groups in Indonesia, they are forced to create an external issue to divert the Indonesian ra'ayat's attention from internal ills.

It could very well be Soekarno's dream of a grand Indone sian Empire.
But whatever the reasons maybe, Mr Speaker, Sir, the present confrontation against us is a manifes tation of an Indonesian illness, or disease, or madness.

I would prefer to issue as "the call the confrontation illus Indonesian madness".

Let me trate: if a herd of bulls—Indonesian bulls I mean—were to run amok and charge and kill the peaceful pedes trians, we do not call that a pedestrian problem, we call it the problem of the mad bulls.
Sir, on this central issue of Indone sian madness, we reject the five-point plan of the Socialist Front, as pro posed by the Honourable Member for Batu.

We reject them on the ground that these five points are based on a false assumption and premise; namely, on a Malaysia is never issue there now.

We reject them, because the consequences would be disastrous to our homes, to our children, and to our security.
that if What then are the courses left open to us, the Indonesian aggressors persist to occupy our soil?

What are the possible courses?

As far as I can see it, there are three possible courses, or some combination of these.

They are: (1) Just as we are doing now in a war of containment, we defend and fight in our home ground.
them trying lines and to eliminate (2) We carry on our defence further their by supply their bases, which means leading eventually to a total war involvement bet ween the two nations and, there the whole of South-East fore, Asia.

support (3) This is a third and more peace ful course.

We can go all out to win world and sufficient sympathy, so force of world opinion can be generated to make the Indone sians stop her aggressive designs and withdraw her militant guerillas from our land.
that a the to commend There is a great deal on for through it we can obtain peace with honour and integrity.

third course of action, Mr Speaker, Sir, if we feel that this is the right course, then we have got to embark on two phases of action.

One is that we have to convince our American friends that their aids 499 22 MAY 1964 500 to a total war to Indonesia, if unchecked, can only in South-East lead Asia involving America as well.
What is needed the problem of Indonesian madness is not by inject ing more vitamins, namely, monetary or military aids, but through applying the correct psychiatric treatment.

to cure The second phase of action is to inform clearly the problem of Indone sian madness, Indonesia's aggression, to as many countries as possible, especially countries, the Afro-Asian whose views are still not defined and whose conception of the Indonesian madness is still probably very vague.
It is most important that we should win the open support of these count ries, because in the event that we do bring forth this issue to the United Nations, we must be sure of getting a majority support in whatever United Nations Committee it is taken up.

tour headed by That brings me to the point raised by some Honourable Members about the the Afro-Asian Honourable Mr Lee Kuan Yew.
Sir, no one can deny the value of this tour, but because the tour was so cursory in nature—the tour was so lightning in its speed, I think in Bahasa Kebang- saan it is called Petir {Laughter)—I maintain that hardly any permanent imprint is left behind in the countries that have been visited.

To project the good image of Malaysia is not a task for a day or two, one conference or two conferences, one cocktail or two cock tails.
It is more than that, and I urge our Honourable Minister of External to set up permanent direct Affairs representation these countries, so that our representatives can carry on this project as part of their routine day-to-day work, informing these coun tries of the issues involved.
in Mr Speaker, Sir, I have spoken very long on external affairs and I have a great deal to say too on domestic pro blems, but in view of your reminder that Honourable Members should try to restrict their speeches as far as possible today, I shall only touch on one the issue.
Mr Speaker, Sir, Honourable Member for Ipoh, who fortunately or unfortunately is not here the taken today, raised the question why there should be a Ministry of National Development when formerly we had already the Ministry of Rural Develop ment and now we have the newly- created Ministry of Housing.

I regret to say that the Honourable Member for Ipoh was a little too hasty.
Had the he to read trouble Gracious Speech of His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong, I am sure he would not have raised the quest ion, especially with legal qualifications.

I was a bit intrigued myself.

It was not until the Honour able Assistant Minister of Education who pointed out to me the relevant part of His Majesty's Speech that I realised how hasty the Honourable Member Ipoh had been.
His Majesty said, and I quote, "As the the crea involved reorganisation tion, combination or division of port folios is not yet complete, .

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It is as simple as that.

all his for in Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, on a point of order—I thought you said just now that this afternoon to was the Ministers for reply.

I was wondering whether the Honourable Member was not speak ing out of place?

reserved Mr Speaker: Please proceed.


the Member Enche' Tan Toh Hong: The Ministers have not replied yet and 1 am debating on the Speech by His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong.
But at any rate, for Dato Kramat has not given me a chance to finish what I wanted to say, because I too intend to request the Minister of National Development for this point of port clarification on the people of Bukit folios; because Bintang, and not just the people of Ipoh, are also equally in this Ministry of National Develop ment.
But having gone through the Special Appendix very carefully, I do the need for a portfolio or a see central the various economic activities under the that we can various Ministries, so for central have a coherent body planning and control.
co-ordinate interested body to 501 22 MAY 1964 502 industrial On page is a need the Special three of Appendix, on the Economic Planning the Prime Minister's Unit under that Department, His Majesty says there the to co-ordinate the existing organisations work of promotion undertaking and/or financing such as the Econo mic Development Board in Singapore, the Industrial Development Division and so forth and that steps are now being taken to establish an autono mous agency to be known as Federal Industrial Development Authority, which will industrial development policies and practices on a Malaysia-wide basis.
co-ordinate Mr Speaker: How long you are going to take?

Enche' Tan Toh Hong: Five minutes, Sir.

Mr Speaker: That is too long!

Give to for other Members chance a speak?

co-ordinating Enche' Tan Toh Hong: Yes, Sir, I will finish it now.

In the Ministry of Commerce and Industry there is also the problem of the various pioneer status passed by the various States.

There is a need for centralisation.

suppose one may guess this subject might come under the Ministry of National Deve lopment.
I do not know and I would like formally to request for a clarifi cation from the Ministry of National Development and Rural Development.

that I ia-lah Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji (Pasir Mas Hulu): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-bagai ang- yang gota baharu dalam Dewan Mulia pada kali pertama-nya saya di-beri peluang berchakap make per- kara yang awal yang saya hendak tudohan yang katakan soal di-lemparkan oleh Kerajaan terhadap PAS tentang soal azimat.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, walau pun sudah beberapa saya mengatakan dan kali menapikan yang parti saya terlibat dalam penyiaran pengeluaran azimat tetapi malang-nya PAS maseh itu, ber- bertanggong-jawab di-tudoh kenaan dengan azimat itu.
teman telah mengeluarkan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-lain dari- pada dalam Dewan ini di-luar Dewan ini juga dan dalam kempen pilehan raya baharu2 ini Yang Berhormat Perdana Menteri sendiri dalam satu rapat umum di-Padang Merdeka, Kota tudohan2 Bharu, ka-atas PAS atas soal azimat ini.

Sa-patut-nya sa-bagai Perdana Menteri sa-belum membuat sa-buah negara satu2 terlebeh dahulu di-pereksa dan di-teliti supaya jangan orang berkata Perdana Menteri kita itu mengekor2 dengan tidak tahu perkara yang sa-benar-nya.
tudohan hendak-lah ini Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bagi saya, saya bersetuju azimat itu merbahaya kapada keamanan negara kita ini, dan saya mahu bertanya kapada pehak Kerajaan patut-kah tidak manusia yang bertanggong-jawab mengeluarkan azimat itu di-tangkap dan di-hukum?

Ini soal-nya yang di-minta Kerajaan menjawab.

Saya bersetuju orang itu patut di-hukum, dan Tuan Yang di- saya Pertua, bersama dengan membawa azimat yang di-hebohkan oleh orang2 Perikatan itu.
Saya men- chabar supaya pehak Kerajaan menangkap orang yang mengeluarkan azimat itu.

Saya tidak mahu memberi nama orang yang membuat azimat itu dan ini saya akan serahkan kapada Menteri Keselamatan Dalam Negeri supaya mengambil dan menangkap orang yang mengeluarkan azimat ini di-Batu Pahat oleh sa-orang kuat UMNO.
Saya serahkan azimat kapada Menteri Keselamatan ini Dalam Negeri chabar dan Kerajaan Perikatan, kalau betul2 dia menjalankan keadilan dan demokrasi, tangkap orang yang mengeluarkan azimat itu dan hukumkan dia.

tindakan saya (Azimat Yang di-Pertua).

di-serahkan kapada Tuan Enche' Tan Toh Hong (Bukit Bintang): Can I ask the Honourable Member on what part .

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Mr Speaker: What order is that?

Enche' Tan Toh Hong: On a point of clarification, Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker: It is better for you to mention the Standing Order.

503 22 MAY 1964 504 Enche' Tan Toh Hong: Sorry.

I like to rise on a point of clarification.

Ahli Yang Berhormat sekolah dewasa dahulu belajar.

itu masok Mr Speaker: Dia minta penerangan.

(Kapada Enche' Tan Toh Hong) No, he does not give way.

Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Yang Berhormat dari Melaka Selatan dan Yang Berhormat dari Hilir Perak harap mengambil perhatian di-atas soal azimat ini.
Negeri Kelantan juga telah di-tudoh sa-bagai negeri Cowboy dan kata-mengata.

Sa-lain daripada wakil2 dari yang Kelantan, ini ada dua lagi Ahli Yang Berhormat yang mewakili Parti Peri katan, saya harap, barangkali mereka itu juga Cowboy.

datang PAS Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pehak yang menjaga keamanan pada masa yang lalu telah mengeluarkan satu laporan, kejadian2 jenayah yang berlaku dalam negeri2 dalam Tanah Melayu ini.
Negeri yang pertama sa-kali banyak berlaku jenayah ia-lah negeri Selangor, ia-lah Pulau Negeri kedua ia-lah Pinang, Negeri yang ketiga ia-lah Kedah, Negeri yang keempat Perak, Negeri yang kelima ia-lah Melaka, dan Negeri yang keenam baharu Kelantan.
yang Tuan Yang di-Pertua, walau bagai- mana pun dalam Negeri2 ini ada berlaku kejadian2 jenayah, tetapi saya tidak salahkan, ada-kah patut kita menyalahkan Kerajaan PAS kerana jenayah2, ada-kah patut berlaku-nya kita salahkan kapada Kerajaan Per ikatan di-Selangor ini, kerana berlaku- nya jenayah2 dan ada-kah patut kita menyalahkan kapada Kerajaan Petir je di-Singapura kerana berlaku-nya nayah2?
Yang patut kita salahkan ia-lah Kerajaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu, kerana yang kita tahu yang menjaga soal jenayah2 ini ia-lah Kera jaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-patut-nya Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, terutama Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Melaka Selatan, sa-belum berchakap, fikir-lah dahulu dan saya harap kapada Ketua Parti Perikatan kursus kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Melaka Selatan, atau ada baik-nya supaya memberi ini Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pontian Selatan telah semangat beruchap dengan dalam Dewan sa-malam.
Ada orang ini yang berbangga, dalam dunia Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kerana kebodoh- an-nya saperti apa yang di-uchapkan- nya sa-malam.

Kalau tidak kerana Perikatan, Enche' Lee Kuan Yew tidak berada dalam Dewan ini.

Bukan-kah ini menunjokkan kesilapan politik-nya, maka orang lain boleh mendapat tempat dalam Dewan ini?

Sekarang, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apa fasal Parti Petir hendak di-marahkan, apa fasal Socialist Front kita hendak marahkan, fasal P.P.P.

kita hendak dan apa marahkan?


Kalau tidak kerana ke- bodohan politik Perikatan, mereka2 itu tidak akan berada dalam Dewan ini.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, PAS dalam perkara ini telah berkali2 mengingatkan Perikatan 10 tahun dahulu, PAS telah mengingatkan kapada Perikatan, kalau takut kena tikam, jangan beri senjata kapada orang.

Sa-telah senjata kita beri, senjata itu sekarang mahu makan perut kita, baharu-lah kita takut, baharu-lah kita mengingatkan orang yang senjata hendak makan kita.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, timbul-nya soalan sekarang, ada-kah kalau orang2 yang memberi senjata itu kita hendak atau kalau orang yang salahkan, hendak menikam kita itu yang hendak di-salahkan?

Pada saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, orang yang memberi senjata itu ia-lah yang salah.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau tidak kerana Perika tan, Petir tidak berhak dudok dalam Dewan ini kalau tidak kerana Perika tan, Ahli2 Petir tidak berhak me- ngembangkan pengaroh Petir dalam tidak Tanah Melayu kerana Perikatan, Petir tidak berhak meletakkan chalun2-nya dalam negeri kita ini.
ini dan kalau Tuan Yang di-Pertua, wakil dari Perikatan boleh-lah berchakap dengan semangat akan menghanchorkan Petir dalam tahun yang akan datang saperti yang di-uchapkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Hilir Perak, tetapi apa sekarang, yang menjadi kenyataan 505 22 MAY 1964 506 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, siapa pun tidak dapat menapikan bahawa 42 orang chalun Perikatan telah hilang, telah jatoh di-Singapura di-ancham oleh Petir .

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Enche' Hanafi bin Mohamed Yunus (Kulim Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Peratoran Meshuarat 36 (1).

Ini tidak ada kena-mengena dengan Titah Ucha- pan Duli Yang Maha Mulia ini.

Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji: Tuan Yang di-Per tua, saya menjawab .

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Mr Speaker: Bila on a point of order, awak dudok dahulu—dudok dahulu.

(Kapada Enche' Hanafi) Sila terangkan.

Enche' Hanafi bin Mohamed Yunus: Peratoran Meshuarat 36 (J).

Ini tidak ada berkenaan langsong.


Mr Speaker: (Kapada Enche' Hanafi) Awak dudok dahulu.

Dalam perkara ini, dia boleh berchakap, sebab ini satu perkara yang besar dan luas.

Ya, jemput.
Ya, jemput.

Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji: Tuan Yang di-Per tua, satu kenyataan yang tidak dapat telah pun meneng- di-napikan, Petir gelamkan kapal ini layar Perikatan sa-banyak 42 orang chalun di-Singa pura dan dalam masa mereka di-Tanah Melayu ini, dalam masa 24 jam Petir telah mendaftarkan 9 orang chalun-nya bagi kerusi Parlimen, dan sa-orang daripada-nya sudah dapat menawan sa-buah kerusi dalam Tanah Melayu ini.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, parti ini sudah bertapak.


Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua ta' usah-lah wakil dari Pontian Selatan itu marah kapada orang yang datang, tetapi marah-lah kapada orang yang memberi dia datang.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sudah menjadi kebiasaan bagi pehak Kerajaan dalam menjalankan kerja2-nya apabila tidak berjaya, maka penjajah-lah yang di- salahkan, saperti yang di-uchapkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pontian Selatan sa-malam, kita mahu tahu.
Penjajah itu di-salahkan, kerana kemundoran orang2 Melayu dan kita tahu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mahu Perikatan yang sudah memerentah negeri ini sa-lama 9 tahun dan negeri ini telah menchapai kemerdekaan sa- lama lebeh kurang 8 tahun, ada-kah dasar yang di-amalkan oleh penja- jahan itu maseh belum berubah, atau tidak di-benarkan di-ubah, atau Peri katan tidak mahu mengubah men- jalankan-nya, atau yang di-lakukan, atau di-siapkan oleh penjajah?
Saya berkata tidak berubah dan dalam banyak perkara yang Kerajaan hari ini maseh banyak mengamalkan dasar penjajahan.

Politik luar negeri maseh terikat dengan penjajah dan sudah menjadi kebiasaan Kerajaan kita ini dalam menjalankan dasar luar negeri- nya, "Made in Great Britain"—lah yang di-amalkan dan "Nombor 10 Downing Street, London"—lah tempat menjadi Kerajaan, tempat Kerajaan Perikatan ini menerima wahi.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pontian Selatan juga ada menyentoh soal bahasa.
Kata-nya negara2 yang berdaulat, saperti Indo nesia, Thailand, India, Arab dan lain2 lagi semua-nya mengamalkan bahasa ibunda-nya masing2.

Jadi, Ahli Yang Berhormat itu akan menentang dasar menggunakan berbagai2 bahasa di- amalkan dalam negeri ini.

Saya tidak tahu apa yang hendak di-tentang-nya, kerana apa yang hendak di-tentang- itu sedang di-amalkan di-negeri nya sekolah2 bahasa ini.
Dahulu lain tidak daripada Melayu dan Inggeris mendapat bantuan daripada kuasa di-beri penjajah, tiap2 bantuan berpuloh2 tahun.

Dasar berbilang bahasa ini di-amalkan dengan pesat-nya di-negeri ini dengan mendapat galakan daripada Kerajaan dan segala bahasa asing di-akui sa-bagai sekolah jenis bahasa kebangsaan.

sekarang juta ringgit tetapi Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tahu menentang perut-nya, atau dari kepala-nya?
dari mana ini tidak hendak timbul, ada-kah dari fikiran Perkara yang akhir yang di-katakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pon tian Selatan itu ia-lah PAS tidak mahu kapada jalan raya.

Sa-panjang ingatan saya, dalam uchapan rakan saya Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pasir Puteh, tidak sa-patah pun dia berkata tidak 507 22 MAY 1964 508 kalau di-atas jalan-lah tidak mahu suka, tetapi ada di-katakan bahawa dalam menolong nasib orang2 Melayu, Kerajaan hendak-lah mengadakan dasar yang lebeh concrete.
Ini di-salah- fahamkan, konon-nya PAS tidak mahu kapada jalan raya.

Tuan Yang di- Pertua, timbul jalan di-atas tanah dan jalan yang di-buat oleh Kerajaan.

Saya mahu tahu dan saya mahu bertanya pada Kerajaan Perikatan.

membuat Ranchangan Pembangunan Luar Bandar dan jalan2 raya itu dari mana-kah wang2 itu datang?

Ada-kah dari poket ra'ayat, atau pun wang2 itu datang daripada poket Menteri2 Per ikatan?
Dan ada satu perkara yang menggelikan hati saya: di-sentoh-nya berjalan soal di-bawah, pokok kayu—ini monyet, Tuan Yang di- Pertua.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau- lah Yang Berhormat dari Pontian Selatan itu biasa ber jalan di-atas dahan kayu, jangan-lah menyangka PAS pun buat bagitu.

PAS telah di-chabar supaya menunjokkan ta'at setia kapada negeri ini.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak usah-lah banyak kita chakap dalam soal ta'at setia, kerana pendirian PAS sudah tentu di-ketahu'i oleh umum.
Kita ta'at dan sayang kapada negeri ini kerana hanya-lah ini negeri kita.

Tidak ada lain lagi.

Kita tidak peduli dengan Sukarno atau Lee Kuan Yew atau siapa sahaja yang hendak me- rampas negeri ini dari tangan kita— akan kita tentang.

Darah dan nyawa kita sedekahkan untok watan yang kita kasehi ini.

Tidak usah pehak Perikatan menchabar PAS.

Sa-bagaimana bukti ini Kerajaan Perikatan telah mengadakan Kerahan Tenaga.
Saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-bagai Ketua Pemuda PAS Negeri Kelantan yang pertama sa-kali daripada telah mendaftar 550,000 ra'ayat negeri Kelantan—saya- lah orang yang nombor satu yang mendaftar menyahut panggilan negara.

Ini bukti-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua (Tepok).

akan kita setia ta'at Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mahu menyentoh apa yang di-uchapkan oleh Yang Berhormat dari Hilir Perak ber- kenaan dengan bakat orang Melayu.
orang Mengikut Melayu ini petani dan peladang, tidak kata-nya, bakat falsafah ini, dia lebeh berniaga.

Ada-kah dapat falsafah bakat yang di-chakapkan oleh Ahli itu keluar sa-telah Yang Berhormat di-adakan penyelidekan ilmiah, atau dengan angan2 Yang Berhormat itu sendiri?

Kalau ini di-ikuti neschaya Yang Berhormat itu sendiri tidak dapat dan tidak boleh dudok dalam Dewan layak tinggal di-hutan2 menjadi petani.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, orang Melayu hanya layak jadi petani dan peladang, kemu- dian timbul-lah berita koma dan titek.

bersetuju, Tuan Yang Ini di-Pertua, kerana mengikut falsafah- nya sendiri yang di-amalkan, mula2 PAS, kemudian koma, kemudian Peri katan, kemudian koma—saya tidak tahu, Petir-kah, U.D.P.-kah, P.P.P.-kah baharu-lah Yang Berhormat dari Hilir Perak itu akan stop?
saya Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kapada Yang Berhormat dari Melaka Selatan, dari Pontian Selatan dan dari Hilir Perak, suka-lah saya ingatkan satu pepatah yang berbunyi: kalau-lah dengan per- chakapan kita itu akan menunjokkan chetek pengetahuan kita, lebeh baik kita dudok diam2 supaya dunia tidak tahu kita ini bodoh.

raya ayer kita tetapi itu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sekarang saya suka membawa kapada demokrasi.

Banyak sudah Yang Berhormat dari pada pehak Kerajaan mengatakan demokrasi telah berjalan dengan baik ini.
Demokrasi di-tanah telah menunjokkan satu benda yang baik, sebab itu-lah di-adakan pilehan itu betul raya.

Ya!

pilehan raya chara demokrasi, di-dalam tidak demokrasi.

pilehan Di-Kelantan, umpama-nya.

Saya mahu memberitahu kapada Dewan ini dan kapada tahu bagaimana Perikatan menjalankan politik yang habis kotor dalam kempen pilehan ini.
Rumah chalun PAS, Yang Berhormat dari Pasir Puteh di-kepong oleh 1,000 orang Perikatan—(AN HONOURABLE Bohong)—Rumah Wan MEMBER : Mustapha yang bertanding dengan Yang Berhormat dari Kota Baharu Hilir di-kepong oleh 1,000 orang Perikatan—(SOME HONOURABLE MEM di- BERS: Bohong)--Pejabat kepong oleh Perikatan.

Apabila kita seluroh dunia supaya raya baharu2 PAS 509 22 MAY 1964 510 minta pertolongan dan apabila kita talipon kapada polis minta bantuan, apa polis?—"Minta pehak ma'af, saya tidak chukup tenaga."
jawab yang garis di-luar Tuan Yang di-Pertua, banyak per- susila kara demokrasi di-amalkan.

Dunia tidak tahu bagaimana Perikatan ini meng- amalkan demokrasi saya menjadi kewajipan bagi saya.

saya mahu menerangkan kapada dunia: dengan kejam Kerajaan Perikatan ini di-tegakkan.

itu.
itu.

Dan haram chara dan yang Inspector Tuan Yang di-Pertua, satu perkara yang paling2 menyedehkan dan menya- kitkan hati ia-lah pegawai keamanan— pegawai keamanan ia-itu Pegawai Polis dalam negeri Kelantan, bukan jadi Pegawai Polis untok menjaga ra'ayat, tetapi Pegawai Polis yang jadi tukang kempen Perikatan.
Tuan Yang di- Pertua, di-Bachok umpama-nya, dan saya mahu memberi nama Pegawai Polis itu kapada pehak Kerajaan ia-itu sa-orang bernama Nizam, pernah orang PAS di-pukul, apabila orang PAS pergi report kapada balai polis orang PAS itu di-tambah dengan pukul lagi—ini benda yang betul.

Saya minta kapada pehak Kera jaan supaya menyiasat dalam soal ini.

Ini berlaku dalam hari pilehan raya.


Anggota polis seluroh negeri Kelantan telah mengugut hari sa-belum pilehan raya, seluroh penyo- kong2 ka-rumah pasong, di-tahan, di-pukul dengan pistol, di-paksa supaya jangan bekerja untok PAS supaya menyokong Peri katan.

Ini dia benda yang di-lakukan.


di-panggil ra'ayat PAS dua Di-kawasan saya sendiri, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Pasir Mas Hulu, 30 orang PAS di-panggil daripada 10 pagi sa-hingga pukul 5 pagi besok baharu di-hantar balek dengan tidak di-beri tidak di-beri minum ayer, dengan mengisap tidak di-beri rokok dan makan, mereka di-ugut dan di-tampar supaya jangan menyokong saya.
bilang undi sa-belum di-bawa ka-situ (District di-bawa ka-Pejabat Jajahan Office), pejabat ini di-kepong oleh Polis, chalun PAS tidak di-benarkan masok hanya chalun Perikatan sahaja di- benarkan masok.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Polis sendiri memainkan peranan yang penting memechahkan peti undi di- tengah2 jalan dan di-sil (seal) yang lain.

Tentang pilehan raya ini teringat- lah saya pada cherita Hitler dengan ini-lah Kera Gestapo-nya.
Perikatan jaan Nazi dengan Polis dan tentera itu-lah Gestapo-nya dan Wataniah Chief Gestapo-nya dalam berada Dewan sekarang.

Tuan Yang ini di-Pertua, tentera Wataniah yang di- bayar ra'ayat dengan duit di-gunakan oleh Perikatan, Radio Malaysia, baik yang di-pancharkan di-Kuala Lumpur atau di-Kota Bharu sudah menjadi alat Perikatan.

Guru Sekolah Dewasa mengambil wang dari ra'ayat, $4 sa-jam berkempen untok Perikatan.
Sudah-lah yang itu tenaga gangster di-gunakan dengan sa-luas2-nya mengugut tidak di-beri kebebasan untok mengundi dengan bebas, Perikatan beroleh ke- menangan dengan hasil kerja2 gangster, dan hasil2 yang kotor ini-lah hendak di-tonjol2kan oleh Perikatan kapada dunia bahawa demokrasi telah sem- purna di-jalankan dalam Tanah Melayu ini.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua .

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ra'ayat, lain2 gaji Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman (Seberang Tengah): Tuan Yang di- Pertua, pen- jelasan .

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saya hendak minta Mr Speaker: (Kapada Enche' Abdul Samad) Dia hendak minta penjelasan— hendak beri jalan?

Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji: Tidak, Tuan Yang di- Pertua.

Mr Speaker: Dia tidak beri jalan Jemput Ibrahim) (Kapada Enche' dudok.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada hari ini berlaku, peti2 mengundi kejadian undi sudah pechah baharu di-bawa ka-tempat pereksa.
Mithal-nya, sa-lain daripada tempat saya, di-Kemaman, saya pernah tidor di-Kemaman, peti undi yang hendak di-bawa ka-tempat Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita benchi kapada kominis, kerana dasar-nya tidak betul, tetapi apa yang kita benchi itu berjalan dalam Tanah ini.
Kita benchi Melayu kapada dictator, kita benchi kapada sekarang 511 22 MAY 1964 512 gangster, kita benchi kapada kejam, dan kita benchi kapada segala2, tetapi apa yang kita benchi itu berjalan di-tanah ayer kita hari ini.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita ta' tahu, tahu UMNO, MCA dan yang kita MIC ini-lah parti2 yang berada dalam Perikatan, tahu tetapi kita bila-kah Pejabat Pelajaran, Guru2 Kelas Dewasa, dan wataniah, surat-khabar dan radio kita tidak itu bila masok menjadi ahli Perikatan?

Tuan Yang di-Pertua .


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tahu pejabat2 anggota polis tidak Mr Speaker: Berapa lama lagi?

Beri-lah peluang kapada orang lain.

Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji: Sadikit lagi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam 10 minit lagi.

Mr Speaker: 10 minit itu panjang.

tidak politik sentimen Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji: Tidak sampai, 5 minit lagi.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, timbul-lah masaalah yang di-uchapkan oleh wakil Kota Bharu Hilir yang meminta melupakan demi kepentingan ra'ayat negeri Kelantan.
Saya tidak pernah tahu dan dalam ingatan saya atau pun dalam Dewan ini, PAS pernah menolak bantuan yang di-beri oleh Kerajaan Pusat.

Apa yang saya ingat pernah Kerajaan PAS Kelantan minta bantuan tetapi daripada Kerajaan malang-nya di-tolak permintaan kita itu.
Pusat, Satu daripada bukti-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, jambatan negeri Kelantan yang menyeberangi sungai Kelantan, pernah wakil Kerajaan Kelantan sen- diri datang berjumpa dengan Menteri Pembangunan Luar Bandar hendak meminjam 5 juta ringgit untok menyu- tetapi kerana jambatan dahkan ini, jam sentiment politik Perikatan jambatan batan dan bantuan untok itu tidak di-beri, akhir-nya terpaksa- lah demi keselamatan, demi kebaikan ra'ayat Kelantan kita terpaksa mem- buat dengan duit kita sendiri.
itu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada satu perkara yang menjadi kenyataan yang ia-itu pem- tidak dapat di-nafikan bahagian tanah dalam negeri Kelantan.

Kita mahu bagi tahu dan kita mahu ingatkan wakil Kota Bharu Hilir itu, sa-belum PAS memerentah negeri Kelantan daripada tahun 1959, Peri katan sudah pun memerentah tahun 1955 hingga tahun 1959, lima tahun di-jalankan pemerentahan Perikatan di-Kelantan, apa fasal masa itu tidak di-fikirkan untok memberi bantuan kapada ra'ayat Kelantan.
Ra'ayat Kelantan telah di-biarkan tidak men- dapat tanah, tidak mendapat sa-suatu tetapi apabila PAS memerentah negeri Kelantan pada tahun 1959. kita telah telah memberi membuat bakti, kita jasa kapada itu-lah sebab ra'ayat pada pilehan raya baharu2 ini, walau pun gestapo di-lakukan, walau pun polis memainkan peranan penting, tetapi ra'ayat telah sayangkan kapada PAS, dia tetap mengundi PAS.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada satu perkara lagi yang di-uchapkan, yang di-agong2kan oleh Perikatan ini, ia-itu Perikatan semenjak memerentah se- luroh Tanah Melayu ini telah memberi tanah sa-banyak 50,000 ekar kapada ra'ayat.

Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak memberi tahu kapada Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bahawa PAS sudah memerentah 5 tahun di-negeri Kelantan, 90,000 ekar sudah di-bahagikan kapada ra'ayat (Ketawa).

Ini ini satu benda yang tidak dapat saya bohong, Tuan Yang di-Pertua .

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tidak dapat di-nafikan, tanah Mr Speaker: Jangan di-kachau Yang Berhormat itu berchakap.

ini ia-itu Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji: Kalau benda ini bo hong, pehak Kerajaan boleh menyiasat sendiri.
Tuan Yang di- Pertua, timbul pula masaalah dasar luar negeri yang di-uchapkan oleh wakil daripada Pontian Selatan kel- marin yang satu di-uchapkan oleh saya dari Pasir Puteh yang mengatakan Kerajaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu dalam merapatkan perhubongan dengan Afro- Asia ada lebeh baik satu chara yang baik di-lakukan saperti tarek balek pengundian-nya ka-atas negara Israil.
Saya perchaya ada Ahli Yang Berhor mat dalam Dewan ini daripada pehak Kerajaan yang akan bersetuju dengan perkara teman 513 22 MAY 1964 514 tetapi dengan saya.

Negara Israil ini di-dirikan atau di-tubohkan atas darah, atas ayer mata bangsa Arab dan di-atas darah umat Islam, negara Israil ini di-tegakkan.

Negara Israil di-dirikan tidak sa-chara chara haram, halal dengan sa-chara di-sogok2 dan dengan chara di-paksa.
Wakil dari Pontian Selatan mengatakan Kerajaan Perse- kutuan Tanah Melayu ini mengakui Kerajaan Israil.

Ini ada-lah perkataan tidak betul dan saya menumpang malu sa-orang yang mempunyai pengetahuan B.A.

Honours ini tidak tahu apa yang di-lakukan oleh Kerajaan-nya sendiri.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mula2 Kerajaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu menchapai kemerdekaan, Kerajaan telah pun di-undi dan dalam Dewan Ra'ayat ini, PAS telah membawa satu usul yang meminta Dewan Ra'ayat atau pun Kerajaan Tanah Melayu ini menarek balek pengakuan-nya di-atas negara Israil ini.
Sa-panjang ingatan saya, telah di-bahathkan sa-masa ada lagi Allah yarham Enche' Zulkiflee Muhammad, perkara ini telah di-bahathkan tetapi panjang malang-nya suara Perikatan ini ramai maka kalah-lah usul yang di-bawa oleh PAS itu.
tiga hari Israil lebar Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bagi merapat- lagi perhubongan kita dengan kan negara2 Afro-Asia ini, saya sa-kali lagi meminta kapada pehak Kerajaan dan saya perchaya ada wakil Kerajaan di-sini yang menyokong chadangan ini supaya Kerajaan Perikatan atau Per sekutuan Tanah Melayu ini memikir- kan sa-mula pengakuan-nya ka-atas negara Israil ini.
Saya minta dengan sa-chara hormat-nya lupakan-lah senti ini datang ment walau pun benda daripada PAS tetapi mari-lah kita fikir apa-kah nasib bangsa Arab dan nasib umat Islam di-negeri Arab yang di-halau keluar dari negara Israil, negeri Palastin, oleh orang Israil ini mesti Terchonting-lah arang ka-muka negara2 Arab dengan Persekutuan Kerajaan pengakuan Tanah Melayu ka-atas negara Israil yang menjadi duri darah daging pada umat Islam seluroh dunia ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.
Akhir-nya, Tuan Yang kesemua saya meminta di-Pertua, negara2 dapat memperhubongkan di-fikirkan.

Persekutuan Afro-Asia dengan Malaysia ini hendak- lah Cabinet Tanah Melayu atau Malaysia ini mengadakan meshuarat-nya lebeh2 awal dan tolak balek dengan segera pengakuan ka-atas negara Israil ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, terima kaseh.

the Enche' Lim Kean Siew (Dato Kramat): Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish, by summary in fifteen minutes, to put the record straight.
Now, it would appear that is that as impression here Socialist Front has only two "coun cillors" we are therefore of no signifi cance.

The representative from Sabah liquidation.

has said we are facing The Prime Minister of Singapore talked of the winds of change.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: 111-winds of change.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Yes, ill- winds of change.

In fact, what are the figures?


The Alliance polled 1,200,000 votes; polled the Socialist Front the Pan Malayan 330,000 votes; Islamic Party polled 355,000 votes.

The P.M.I.P votes and the Socialist Front votes come up to 685,000 votes approximately.

This means that, be tween the P.M.I.P.

and the Socialist Front alone, we polled more than 50 per cent of the votes obtained by the Alliance.
Since we have opposed Malaysia, it therefore cannot be said that it is an insignificant minority that has opposed Malaysia.

are Now, as for the Socialist Front representation here—we have 330,000 two.

The Peoples' votes—we Action Party with twelve in Singapore and one from Malaya does not pool more than approximately 300,000 all told.

They represent less people than ourselves on the matter of votes in this House.

I do not see why they should boast all the time of their winds of change.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Ill-winds of change.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: If they do not stop making all that noisy wind and let the matter drop, their doctors may have to prescribe them another diet to quieten down the winds of change a little.

515 22 MAY 1964 516 rejected the people have Mr Speaker, Sir, further if it is true that the Socialist Front because we are against Malaysia, then why did they reject the P.A.P.?

They were pro-Malaysia.


They have been talking on how loyal they were and challenging us on our loyalty.

How did they lose their votes and lose their deposits as well?

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: And how many?

Mr Speaker: Order, order.

Do not disturb him.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, now again, what do we have in spite of the election issue?
As regards percentages, the Socialist Front in 1959 polled 12.9 per cent; this year we polled 16 per cent, although our in Parliament with representation regard to Members comes to 1.9 per cent.

The P.M.I.P.

polled 17 per cent.

The P.P.P., the U.D.P., the P.A.P.

and all the other parties together polled 9.5 per cent.

support Now, Mr Speaker, Sir.

what was the issue at the elections?


According to his Gracious Speech, His Majesty did say that the dominant issue in the elections was the question of confrontation by Indonesia.

To the King's Speech you must accept that to be the truth.

Confrontation by Indonesia is and certainly, wholely, related to anti-Malaysia or pro-Malaysia stand.

It can be said that to a large extent the confusion caused by confrontation brought about the return to power of the Alliance.
though not entirely The Prime Minister of Singapore stated last night quite correctly that the balance of forces outside of this House was not so reassuring.

It is true that outside of this House the prospects are not so reassuring—even in Sarawak.

There, according to our figures, the Alliance polled 29.2 per cent, and not 70 per the as Honourable Member from Sarawak.
alleged by cent Mr Speaker, Sir, I agree with my colleague from Batu when he says that if our country is attacked by aggressive foreign forces, we should defend it, and we would not be the last to do so.

But my question is this; did or did not and registration they amount the Alliance promise the people during the elections that the national registra tion and the call-up will be for de fensive purposes and that the troops will not be sent out of Malaya?
If that is true, then we are faced with the second question.

What acts of con frontation are there concerning Malaya that would make necessary the call for national call-up?

During the elections we read of some acts of piracy.

Do to threat of invasion?

Acts of piracy themselves have been going on for many, many years, and surely if the it was thought Government desirable that the fishermen should be protected should have bsen supplied with arms long ago—not with national registration.
Besides, can the Government guarantee that the troops to be registered will not be sent to Borneo or outside of Malaya?

If the Government can guarantee that, then the question of confrontation and the question of the need for national call- up must be examined especially if acts of aggression against Malaysia are mainly acts of piracy.
they that It is unfortunate that when it came to national call-up, there has been no debate in this House as to the urgency or otherwise of a national call-up and as to the kind and character of the national call-up is desirable.

I that the remember during Honourable Member for Ipoh saying that the Parliament should be recalled to deal with the so-called national emergency and the question of national is call-up.
Mr Speaker, Sir, unfortunately no decision in Parliament in this matter and no debate to clarify issues.

the elections there Secondly, Mr Speaker, Sir, I think that we have a right to condemn the national call-up, we have a right to criticise the national call-up without being considered disloyal.

I cannot see why the Opposition cannot express its views.
The motion on the death of Enche' Zulkiflee, a former Member of Parliament, and the speeches made on that motion, clearly indicated that as far as this House is concerned it is not, as Mark Anthony Julius that "The evil that men do Ceasar said of 517 22 MAY 1964 518 is oft liveth after them, The good interred with their bones."

It would be more a matter of their supposed evils dying with them and their goodness extolled after their death as was in the case of Enche' Zulkiflee.

If it is true the P.M.I.P.


was a party of that treachery and their members were agents of Indonesia as was claimed by their last elections, then why make such hypo critical speech as in this House?

If it is not they were not disloyal, then they should never have been accused of disloyalty merely because it is the duty of the Opposition to criticise the Government.

Otherwise, why have the Opposition at all?

We might as well have no Opposition.


opponents during true and the is right or wrong, The Honourable the Prime Minister of Singapore said that they are loyal but that they are no subservient.

I say that neither should the Opposition be sycophantic.

Mr Speaker, Sir, whether Malaysia the Government has formed it.

By Con stitution, it exists.

It would be wrong if we do not, however, express our doubts.

Whether we are right or whether we are wrong, is not for this House to judge.

It is for history.
It is for history.

If it is an artificial creation; if it is, as has been stated by an Honourable Member from Sarawak an entry into a harem not to the good of the people in the harem and the people in Sarawak.

history will say so and we are prepared to wait for history to say whether we are right or whether we are wrong.

But surely we cannot be asked to is withdraw and say that now formed, therefore it is good.

We can still say, now it is formed it is still bad; it is still bad for the people.
Is it disloyal to say that?

As to the question of national call-up and sending troops to Borneo, over remember 600,000 voters were anti-Malaysia.

Should you force them against their own conscience to go to Borneo?

Should we not have a voluntary service?


Those people who want to go, like the Prime Minister of Singapore who is so fond of loyalty, should go on a voluntary basis (interruption) And as for the other Member sitting behind the Prime Minister of Singapore—he that it is also as vociferous—I am sure he would gladly also go.

SOME HONOURABLE MEMBERS : What about you?

You follow!

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: I am pre pared to follow (Laughter) if they will go first.

But let them go instead of making that much noise.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Appoint them Field-Marshals.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, I think that if the people do not feel that they should die for Borneo, if the people feel in their conscience that they should not fight, then they should have the right to refuse unless the situation is such and our nation's integrity is so threatened by foreign forces of oppression that we have no alternative but to defend ourselves.
Mr Speaker, Sir, as regards the question of the withdrawal of troops, the Honourable Member for Batu made a proposal.

Do you agree or do you not agree with it?

If you do not agree with it, then make some concrete proposal.

But what has the P.A.P.

done for so many months?

Has it made any constructive proposal for peace?

No.

Has it tried to talk peace?

No.

Has it tried to suggest means for peace?

No.


It has always been for war and constantly says, "We will fight; we will meet threat with threat, arms with arms, war with war."

But then in the end comes the pitiful cry from the Prime Minister of Singapore which this House has just heard saying, "We have ten thousand troops facing four hundred thousand from Indonesia.

We must have British troops to fight for us.

Please do not send them away."


Mr Speaker, Sir, we all realise of course that before Malaysia we had no the Gracious trouble.

And, Speech His Majesty said: in " .

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I am most humbly and dutifully aware that My heart is overflowing with gratitude to Almighty God for the unity and happiness, the peace and prosperity He has granted to our nation and people during this past momentous year.
'* Sir, if it is true that we have peace, if it is true that we have prosperity, why have we this National Call-up?

Why 519 22 MAY 1964 520 talk of confrontation?

Why talk of the serious situation in Sarawak?

Why talk of the serious situation in Sabah?

So, obviously, either His Majesty is badly advised or there is no confrontation and no problem regarding the security in Borneo.

It has been also stated by His Majesty that our people have a "flourishing democracy".
It is therefore regrettable that the Honourable Prime Minister of Singapore should have criticised the Alliance for its election practices.

But he forgot to mention that his Government gave the people of Singapore nine days for elections, he forgot that it banned ten papers and unions, he it arrested practically all the intellectuals in the Opposition (Laughter) before the elec tions were held.

forgot that Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu): Pontius Pilate washing his hands!
Mr Speaker: You have taken more than fifteen minutes now!

Enche' Lim Kean Stew: I started at 11.30 and now it is twenty minutes to twelve.

Mr Speaker: I will give you two minutes.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Sir, the P.A.P.

representatives have always attempted to set themselves up as the great ideological interpreters of the situation in Malaysia and South East Asia.

They talk of a national identity, a national culture, Singapore culture.
And I re member the Minister of Information in Singapore a Singapore identity and culture before Malaysia was formed and now .

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talking of talk of they .

.. Enche' S. Rajaratnam (Singapore): Sir, on a point of clarification, there is no as Minister of Information in Singapore!

such Minister Enche' Lim Kean Siew: I am sorry, (Laughter) Sir—Minister of Culture.

The Minister of Culture spoke of the Singapore culture and now the Singa pore Prime Minister a Malaysian identity and talks of Malays, Indians.
Punans, Kalabits, Kadayans, Chinese, Sikhs, Punjabis and all our talks of various separate races.

(Laughter) Now, what is a Malaysian identity?

Does Malaysian identity refer to a fellow who can speak Tamil, Malay, Singha lese and Chinese?

Enche' Devan Nair: Those who are for Malaysia are Malaysians!

is different Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Apparently there is a contradiction expressed here.

One definition the from for other.

The Honourable Member Bungsar says, "Those who are for Malaysia are Malaysians?
That refers to a national identity.

Therefore, those who are pro-Malaysia just raise your hands, and you will have a Malaysian identity.

Of course, this is wrong.

You cannot force culture you cannot artifi cially create a national identity, you can create only the structure.

Cultural identity are personality matters depend traditional ing upon cultural characteristics.
You cannot by the wave of the wand from the Minister of Culture create, for example, a Singapore culture because Singapore culture is Chinese-orientated and we all know that.

Whereas the Malayan culture in Kelantan is Malayan-Thai orientated.

As for the people like the the Muruts who still Punans and travel in jungles with blow-pipes?

they have a different culture which is not even Malay or Chinese.
How are you going to create a national identity out of all these people except to say a political political identity is certainly quite different from a national identity.

identity, and and a Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish to end up by reiterating that as far as we are con cerned, we represent a sizeable majority in this House.

(Laughter).

AN HONOURABLE MEMBER: In this country!

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: In this country.


Six hundred over thousand voters out of two million, voted for to those who are clearly opposed Malaysia.

Are all these people disloyal?

Are you going to put them in jail and have they no right to express opposi- tion to Malaysia?

We would be failing in our duty if we do not say today that we do not 521 22 MAY 1964 522 that confrontation think is the real issue of the recent elections.
The con frontation issue was a red herring; and we say that Malaysia has introduced into South East Asia an unholy atmosphere of war.

It has unsettled the peace of South East Asia and we must seek all means to peace.

I say, Mr Speaker, to allow Malaya to be pushed into war by warmongers such as the Singapore Prime Minister, who came begging to our Prime Minister to be saved by the creation of Malaysia, is wrong and such people should not be taken heed of.
Mr Speaker, Sir, I thank you very much for allowing me to speak, and I hope at the next session that we will not be hurried and that the Opposition will have sufficient time to express their views fully.

Dr Lim Chong Eu (Tanjong): Mr Speaker, Sir, I shall not take much time, because all that I intend to do is to put in the first brush strokes of what my Party through me intends to re present in this House.
in Reference has already been made in the Gracious Speech by His Majesty, right at the beginning, that "We are living in critical times .

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", which has been developed in theme ably, bril liantly, eloquently and effusively all through this House.
I wish only to say that when you reduce the arguments this that we have so far heard House, in respect of this debate, we have on tlhe one side reference to these critical times and its definition in terms of centrifugal and centripetal forces, and on the other side by a promising young fish from Bukit Bintang the idea of its relationship to confrontation and Malaysia.
Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish to add that has been brought up in this debate one other concept: namely, that apart from the development of our national entity as a result of the centrifugal and centri petal forces of the Malaysian and the confrontation problems, there is one other more important force, and that is our own inherent vital force.
Whether or not we survive, as in the words of the Prime Minister of Singapore, this new nation, Malaysia, whether survives or not, depends very much on this concept to the character of this vital force.

It is not just a matter of will, determination and strength to carry out our purposes.

There must also be a real identity, a moral calibre and also a virtue attached to that vital force.
But biologically it is simple to reduce the importance of this vital force to the ability to adapt our selves, and in the end it will be the survival of the fittest who will emerge from the next five years.

So, I shall have plenty of time in these next five years in this House to develop our thesis.

But to indicate that from the Gracious Speech of His Majesty we already clearly find the and uncertainty confusion Government, because there are con tradictions quite clearly laid down in this Speech.
today I merely wish in almost The most important of all contra dictions is the fact that our nation, and this House today, is Malaysian and we have to think as Malaysians.

But this Gracious Speech in we find in to Education reference Hollywood style; "It gives me great pleasure to say that my Government has met with unprecedented success in its efforts to unify the various races of our plural society through our national educational policy .

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Sir, even though I would challenge this state ment, when applied only to the Federa tion of Malaya, I certainly say that it has got no relevance and no meaning in so far as Malaysia is concerned, because we have yet to establish a truly Malaysian national educational policy.
I hope that whilst the Government has given its intention that it will review and introduce changes to its educa tional policy, it will give this House ample time and opportunity to debate and to create an educational policy, which will really meet the needs of the Malaysian nation.

I am not quite so naive Prime Minister of Singapore.
The winds of change may have started for him in 1961, but the winds of change, which have blown me from across the floor to the House, started much earlier; but I reiterate, however, the words that were so eloquently made by him yesterday: that if the Government benches do not change the Honourable this side of as 523 22 MAY 1964 524 their ways, if they do not adapt their attitudes and their policies to meet the demands, the greater demands and the greater responsibilities, which Malaysia in size alone and in extent alone, would make in a greater proportion than that which existed in the old Federation of Malaya, quite apart from the fact that today we face confrontation, then the chances of our survival are "nil".
However, I do say that we have hopes that, perhaps, through the new vitality, through the new energy that is created from the Opposition side, the Prime Minister of Singapore may in future no longer maintain his Olympian heights and create a chasm across this side of the floor, but will come to realise really the chasm between us here and those opposite us; and that he should not try to establish a causeway in this House by building it from material by digging deeper into the chasm between the narrow passage way separating the right from the left in the Opposition.
But we shall bridge that separates us by an this floor expression from our side of the House which is more viable, more cogent and the more realistic than Honourable Ministers shall in due course expound to us.

that which that lies that in new Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish to touch on another matter, and is again touched on in His Majesty's Gracious Speech.
Sir, prior to the formation of Malaysia, my Party urged the Alliance Government to go slow because we felt that the problems that were con fronting us with Malaysia were such that the Government would not be able to handle them without creating endless trouble and bringing forces which they cannot meet.
It is not for me here to claim that our predictions in 1962 were correct, because there is no question about it that the present circumstances prevailing in our nation today are, to a large extent, due to the manner and the haste, whereby Malay sia was implemented.

We will not go back to those arguments of the past.
However, that Malaysia has been established and in this very first session of this House, I wish, on the other hand now, to change our attitude and urge the Government to today now to regarding of move with greater urgency to develop this new nation of ours, Malaysia, on a more uniform and on a more equit the part of able basis.

I refer the Gracious Speech the development Singapore, plans Sabah and Sarawak and of the pro posed integration of these plans into the first Malaysian Development Plans in 1970.
Sir, I urge the Government to reconsider its views and try to inter- grate the development plans of these new States in Malaysia earlier than 1970.

It is important for us to have an economic uniformity in this country, if we are to create the material viability which was referred to by the Honour able Prime Minister of Singapore.
to say Sir, on a lesser note, in order that I may bring up something local with regard to my own constituency, I would that confrontation has like brought real suffering and real distress to people living in the Tanjong area of Penang.

Prior to the elections, the M.C.A.

component of the Alliance did those try difficulties by giving $15 a month to those who were unemployed through confrontation.
Sir, that aid is insuffi cient and I hope the Government will rapidly take up this issue and continue the aid so long as there is real reason to believe the distress can be directly attributed to confrontation.
ameliorate some of that to Sir, the other last point which I have to make is that when the time comes for us to talk over the proposed East-West highway, we who live in Tanjong and in Penang, would wish that the development plans which have been passed—the rural development plans—will have a real meaning, that they should lead from somewhere to some place with some objective, and not just lead from nowhere to nowhere.
So, is, from our point of view, necessary for the East-West highway, if it is to have any economic meaning to our country, then to lead from the the eastern part of hinterland of northern Malaya to the port of Penang.

Thank you, Sir.

it Mr Speaker: The sitting is suspended to 4.30 p.m.

Sitting suspended at 12 noon.

525 22 MAY 1964 526 Sitting resumed at 4.30 p.m. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) THE YANG DI-PERTUAN AGONG'S SPEECH ADDRESS OF THANKS Debate resumed.
Mr Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, pada pagi tadi saya ada menyatakan kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, ia-itu pada petang ini daripada pukul 4.30 hingga 8.30, saya beri peluang kapada Menteri2 menjawab atas hujah2 yang di-datangkan oleh Ahli2 Yang Berhor mat.

Tetapi oleh sebab saya dapati ada lagi Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang patut lagi, kira2 berchakap, saya beri-lah jam, peluang kapada di-dalam satu Ahli2 Yang Berhormat.

Dan saya harap Ahli2 Yang Berhormat jangan- lah berchakap lebeh daripada 10 minit.
Enche' C. V. Devan Nair (Bungsar): Mr Speaker, Sir, we may expect that if the press in Jakarta were to report any of the speeches that have been made in this House in the last few days, the speeches which the Jakarta press would undoubtedly take up would be the speeches made in particular by the Honourable Member for Dato Kramat and another speaker from the P.M.I.P.
That, Mr Speaker, Sir, would be the kind of speech that would lend sus the tenance and encouragement attitude taken by the Indonesian con- frontationists their dispute with Malaysia.

to in it, Mr Speaker, Sir, the clear-cut stand taken on Indonesian confrontation by the Government will have the support of practically everybody in this House and of the nation at large.
We are living, as His Majesty's Gracious Address puts in unquestionably critical times, and the confidence of the people has undoubtedly been enhanced by the courage, intelligence and con fidence of the Government's attitude towards confrontation.

But speeches of the kind made by the Honourable Member for Dato Kramat are speeches which tend to undermine the will of the nation to resist foreign aggression at this time of very serious crisis.
to The pro-Indonesia and anti-Malaysia groups in this country have obviously drawn certain inevitable conclusions from the results of the last general elections.

The most significant lesson, Mr Speaker, Sir, is this—that when it the question of national comes security and integrity against foreign threats, the people as a whole have proved to be overwhelmingly patriotic in their outlook.
The dominant con sideration in the minds of the electo the unity and survival of rate was Malaysia as an independent nation.

The other issues paled into insignifi cance the people the minds of before this paramount issue of Malay sian integrity and survival.

The results are there for all to see.

in like The long anti-Malaysia parties were convincingly routed, and it would take the time for a party, a Socialist Front, to recover, if at all, from the popular discredit into which it has fallen.
Indeed, Mr Speaker, Sir, so much were the people taken up with this issue of confrontation, that even a number of political corpses have been revivified astonishingly walked out of political mortuaries in which they would otherwise have remained permanently immured.

have and Marxist-Leninist theoreticians who inspire the Socialist Front may take some consolation in the pretence that only one candidate from the democratic to socialist camp has been returned Parliament.
But this, Sir, is poor con solation, when you consider that in mathematical the terms "0 increase in the number of democratic in this House from socialist M.P.

's "0" to " 1 ", mathematicians would call it "infinite progression," or at least the "infinite progression," beginning of while reduction of pro-Com munists in number in both Parliament and State Assemblies represents an utter rout.
to 1": the Mr Speaker, Sir, there have been indications in Singapore that above- ground pro-Communist operators in the Barisan Sosialis have their lessons too well.

They have realised that is possible for those who take an anti- Malaysia stand.

They have decided, headway whatsoever learnt no 527 22 MAY 1964 528 of for some of them, to pedal a new, softer and more subtle line.
Pro-Communist elements may now be expected to sport even a qualified pro-Malaysia line in an attempt to recover a portion at least of the considerable ground they have lost in the last elections.

In short, Sir, we may be in the process of witnes sing the spectacle of people who turn patriotic tactical reasons opportunism.

It must be our hope that the people will realise that patriotism is not something which can be turned off and on like an electric switch.
Loyalty to the nation, Sir, if it is to pass the test of sincerity, must be a steadily burning flame, which burns brightest of all when the nation faces the greatest peril.

We have seen how the Socialist Front and their Barisan Sosialis allies in Singapore displayed a loyalty complete absence of national before these elections, but now they are out, some of them, in an opportu nistic attempt to put on a show of loyalty.
They will continue, however, to tread the path of national treachery and betrayal, but in the misleading garb of patriots.

Such men will in the long run prove far more dangerous than outright sedition-mongers like Dr Lee Siew Choh, who is no longer a member of his party.

It can be said of Dr Lee and company that they, at least, do possess the virtue of personal honesty in their anti-Malaysia acts and their speeches.

They do not hide sympathies for the enemies of Malay sia.
It must be, therefore, the duty of ill responsible Members of this House to call on the people to intensify their subtle vigilance operations that we may expect from the internal enemies of Malaysia.

the more against The Government again, Sir, can be applauded for its intention, as expres sed in His Majesty's Gracious Address, to associate Malaysia with the Afro- Asian group of countries and at the same time to pursue a policy of friend ship with all friendly countries.
Our international experience has shown misunderstanding that Afro-Asian about Malaysia given more encouragement to the intransigence of than any Indonesian confrontationists has other single factor on the international scene.

The Malaysian Goodwill Mission to Africa has contributed a great deal towards a better and more sympathetic understanding of Malaysia on the part of African Governments.
However, it is necessary this up by regular contacts between the Govern ment of Malaysia and the Heads of the various African States.

Quite apart from political missions, thought should be given to sending cultural missions, trade missions, and even trade union missions to the various African States.

follow to to embassy personnel Sir, it is necessary to emphasise that we must be careful from now on and judicious in our choice of ambassadors and foreign nations, and particularly the African nations.
Malaysian Embassies abroad have to play a vital role and discharge vital responsibilities in the countries to which they are accredited.

The Govern ment, Sir, will be making a great mistake if it were to continue to regard ambassadorial positions as sinecures for washed-out politicians for whom there is no more use at home.

From now on, to expect greater care on the part of the Government in its choice of ambassa dors to other countries.

the public has a right the Honourable May I suggest.
Sir, with due respect to the Minister of External Affairs, that in cultivating the good opinion of African nations it is vital to direct our embassies abroad to eschew any dogmatic rigidity in our approach to the different systems of ideological government and varying predilections Afro-Asian countries concerned.
Any narrow spirit of ideological exclusiveness on our part will not help us to win friends in Africa, and our major task there is to win friends and not to make enemies through any narrow spirit of ideologi cal exclusiveness.

the of Next, Sir, His Majesty's Speech has dealt in a praiseworthy manner with the subject of confrontation and with the new and positive approach to the Afro-Asian countries.
But for the rest, Sir, I must say that those who drafted the Address have done no more than 529 22 MAY 1964 530 industrial development offer a bloodless and altogether un inspiring collection of trite, timeworn and anaemic platitudes and cliches.

talk of a more dynamic There is approach labour questions, but to significantly no dynamic details have been offered.
We are told that in the field of the Government is consistently maintaining its policy of free enterprise with the minimum of restrictions and controls.

This policy may or may not have paid dividends—although we are assured by the Government that it has.

But trade unionists will note that there is no corresponding policy for trade unions with the minimum of restric tions and controls.
Labour legislation is significantly lacking when it comes to the protection of workers against the arbitrary actions of union-hating democratic Sir, most employers.

countries enshrine in the law the right of workers to form or join trade unions and provide penalities where this right is directly or flouted by employers.

Free and democratic trade unionism becomes altogether impossi ble if this basic protection is not given to the workers under the law.

indirectly free Limited.


Some dismissed The most recent example, Sir, of the victimisation of workers who exercised their democratic right to join a trade union of their own choosing was provided by the management of Shaw 30-odd Brothers employees were simply because they freely decided to join an established union, the Cinema Workers Union.

The management was apparent ly of the view that they should join an association controlled by the manage ment.
I understand, Sir, that through the praiseworthy efforts of the Malay sian Trades Union Congress and of the Minister of Labour, better counsels have prevailed with the management of Shaw Brothers Limited and a settle ment of the dispute has been achieved.

But the point that I wish to make is this: that if the management of Shaw Brothers had decided not to budge from their original stand, the Ministry of Labour could not have under the law ensured justice for the workers.

Neither could the M.T.U.C.


have done so, simply because there is nothing in the law to bring to book any employer who violates the democratic right of workers to join a trade union.

Indeed, there have been several instances in the past when such violations of basic rights of association of workers have occurred.

Mr Speaker, Sir, there are still employers in this country like the Shaw Brothers who dislike the idea of trade unions crossing their paths.
Such employers would receive short shrift in Singapore if they attempted anything of the kind there.

The law in Singa pore obliges employers inhibit predatory tendencies and to behave in accordance with the canons of civilised industrial relations.
Sir, section 77 of the Industrial Relations Ordinance in Singapore provides that any employer who dismisses an employee by reason of the circumstance that the employee is or proposes to become a member of a trade union would be committing an offence under the law, and penalties are provided and such employers can be prosecuted in a court of law.

legitimate to Mr Speaker: I do not like to interrupt you, but you have taken more than 10 minutes which I said just now would be given to each member.
Enche' C. V. Devan Nair: May I trade just come to unions, Sir.

I won't take very long.

the end of the this country.


This is the reason why employers like the management of Shaw Brothers behave in a rather different fashion in ride roughshod over Singapore but their employees I in would recommend to the Minister of Labour, who is an enlightened man, to introduce legislation in this country, as part of the new promised dynamic approach to labour problems, with a view to providing the workers with this protection which their counterparts in Singapore enjoy.
In this connection, the I might call Government lofty sentiments expressed in His Majesty's Gracious Address.

"Let us never fail"—said His Majesty—"to remem ber that what we are and what we do must earn merit in the eyes of God and recognition in the eyes of man."
to provide workers with Sir, failure the attention of the following to 531 22 MAY 1964 532 basic against legislative protection violations of the fundamental right of association in a democratic trade union of their own choosing will earn merit neither in the eyes of God nor of man, and we can be quite certain that the management of Shaw Brothers and managements like them have already piled up a great deal of demerit in heaven.
It remains to be seen, Sir, whether their anti-union acts have obtained or will obtain recognition in the eyes of the Government.

Lastly, Sir, may I just touch on the question of hospitals with your permis sion—it won't take too much time.

Mr Speaker: I will give you another 2 minutes.

Enche' C. V. Devan Nair: Mr too Speaker, Sir, this is pressing it much, and I think I have to leave off my observations on hospitals for another occasion and I will end up.
that the usual and Sir, social and economic programmes have been sketched by the Government only in the vaguest of outlines and this certainly is a matter for regret.

Here is a Government which has received an overwhelming mandate the people and it should have from taken the opportunity to come out with something more than merely a nebulous outline of policy.

One can only hope, failing of self- Sir, smug complacency satisfaction that is usually associated with success has not settled on the Government.
That would be a tragedy not only for the Government but for the country economic at progress, Sir, are not ends in them selves, but these goals must be sought in order to implement the ideals of social justice, of a fairer distribution of national wealth, of equality of op portunity for all irrespective of race, colour or creed, of the ending of exploitation of man by man and, in short, of a more just and equal society.
the Government's statement on But socio-economic policy is conspicuous for its poverty of vision and idealism.

Are things to carry on just as before?

Are those in authority to look more after themselves and less after the ideals of social justice?

That would mean that Industrial large.

and that those who control we would witness the spectacle of people who, having the opportunity to do something great and good, flunked that opportunity in ignominy.
It would mean the destinies of the nation prefer to travel first class to hell, for that would be the destination of a country which does not hold up, as its supreme and conscious goal, the attainment of social and economic justice for all its citizens.
Let us hope, Sir, in conclusion, that those who hold the reigns of power today will decide not to travel first class to hell, but let us hope that they decide for their good and for the good of everybody else that the ticket to paradise—to a more just society—is a third class ticket in the company of the ordinary people of this country and with the intention of achieving a better life for the people of Malaysia.

I am much obliged, Mr Speaker, Sir.


raised by The Deputy Prime Minister (Tun Haji Abdul Razak): Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like to reply to a number of the Honourable points Members, particularly the those of Opposition, on His Majesty's Speech.

the other Ministers, My colleagues, will reply on various points connected with their respective Ministries.

our Cabinet for Ministers, First, Sir, 1 would like to reply to the speech made by the Honourable Member for Batu.
Now, the Honour able Member, in the course of his long speech, asked what are the qualifica thereby casting tions aspersions this of on members Government.

The Honourable Member should know that we here practise parliamentary democracy and we have a Party Government.

Our Government and collectively responsible to this House and collec tively responsible to the country.
It is the sole privilege of our Party and the leader of our Party to choose from among the leading members of our Party as Ministers of the Government.

The main qualifications, Sir, are sincerity and devotion to duty which we have shown to the country that we in the Alliance for nine years have served the people well.

That is why the people voted us to power after nine are 533 22 MAY 1964 534 years with majority.

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such an overwhelming against just joined the wishes of Now, Sir, the Honourable Member for Batu, who has this House, still sings the old tune so often sung by his colleagues previously in this House that Malaysia was estab lished the people of Sabah, Sarawak and Singa pore and that the Alliance Government this confrontation is responsible for and not Indonesia.

He also blamed us for bringing this country, as he said, "to the brink of war".
Now, Sir, it has been many times stated in this House and fully explained not only to this House but also to the country—and this can be confirmed by the repre sentatives of the people of Sabah and Sarawak and Singapore here in this House—that Malaysia was established out of the free will of the people in those territories.

They had expressed by an overwhelming majority their desire to achieve independence through that, we Malaysia.
As a result of agreed to establish Malaysia and to have in them with us as partners building a new and a bigger nation.

for this troops, regulars and Now, Sir, on the subject of confron tation, everyone knows—or at least everyone who has the loyalty of the country at heart—that this confronta is caused by Soekarno, by tion the Honourable Indonesia, and yet Member for Batu blames the Alliance Government confrontation.

Sir, does he not know that there is now aggression in our territories?
Does he not know that Indonesia has sent in their irregulars, into our territories?

Does he not know that have murdered our men, burned their houses the their villages?

And yet, and Honourable Member for Batu blames the Alliance Government the present state of emergency with Indo nesia.

Now, Sir, what right has Indonesia to send troops into some body else's territories?
Because of this, furthering the Socialist Front Soekarno's helping Soekarno to achieve his intention and ambition of engulfing our country into what he terms as "Greater Indonesia".

Indonesian troops cause and the for is is Sir, level the Honourable Member for Batu put up a five-point plan for peace and this is what, he says, the Socialist stands for.

Sir, his plan is completely out of date.

First, he called for an immediate ceasefire.


The ceasefire was effected, as everyone in this country knows, as a result of the good office of Mr Robert Kennedy, the Attorney- General of the United States.

President Soekarno agreed to call halt to fighting, and we in turn agreed to stop fighting.

But we regarded the ceasefire arrange ments as unsatisfactory because Indo nesia refused to withdraw their troops to their side of the border.
We had two in at Ministerial meetings Bangkok to try to resolve this ceasefire arrangement, but the meetings ended in failure because Indonesia will not agree to withdraw their troops from their side of the border.

We, on our part, cannot tolerate or condone the presence of in our territories.

We have a right to exist as an independent, sovereign, nation and our integrity and sovereignty cannot be a subject of negotiation.
That is why, Sir, we have made our stand clear that although we want peace and co-operation with neighbours including Indonesia, we are not pre pared to sacrifice our honour and our integrity.

We are prepared and are always willing to talk about peace and to find ways and means of living in co-operation and in friendship with our neighbours and with all countries.
But if we want to talk about peace, we must be and we cannot allow another country to talk with us from a position of strength and dictate terms to us by having its troops in our territories.

foreign equals troops able talk our as to Now, Sir, on the question of super vision of the ceasefire, it is wrong to say that the Secretary-General of the to supervise United Nations refused the ceasefire arrangement.
The three countries the Philippines, involved, Indonesia and ourselves, agreed to ask Thailand to supervise the ceasefire and the United the Secretary-General of Nations agreed to take note of the position.

On the question of withdrawal of all and troops, both British foreign 535 22 MAY 1964 536 are their troops in for Indonesian, from our territories, as I have said, we have asked Indonesia to withdraw troops from our territories because they have no right to be in our territories.
British and the Commonwealth the territories merely Borneo defence of our territories under our the United Defence Treaty with Kingdom.

Before confrontation and before Indonesia started its aggression against us there were no British troops in the Borneo territories.

Any country, Sir, has the right to make Defence treaty with other countries and has the the to ask for assistance for right its its independence and defence of integrity.
some On the fourth point, the question of the release of all political detainees and as to the restoration of normal demo cratic life, in this country, as everyone knows, every reasonable man knows, despite confrontation, there is normal democratic life.

Indeed we have a very liberal Government, the Alliance Government is a very liberal Govern ment.

We have given full freedom to all our opponents to criticise us so long as they do so within the law.
This Parliament, time back, passed the Internal Security Act and the principle of this Act was endorsed by a vast majority of the people in this last Election.

We country passed to save in order democracy from people who want to destroy democracy by making use of it.

As the Prime Minister of Singapore said yesterday, release all political detainees, then there will be to no need for President Soekarno carry out aggression and confrontation.
Our democracy and our way of life will be destroyed by agents of the enemies from within our borders.

the this Act if we in according Now, Sir, on the fifth point, the question of holding direct simultaneous elections in Sabah, Sarawak and Singa pore, elections had been held in these democratic territories practice, but just because the Alliance Government won by a great majority in Sabah and Sarawak, there is no ground to say that the elections were undemocratic.

In Singapore, Sir, the P.A.P.


won the State elections by a big to majority and we here never say that in the elections were undemocratic Singapore.

We believe in democracy and we always accept, or must be prepared to accept, the verdict of the people expressed in truly democratic ways.
for fighting Now, Sir, I come to the allegation made by the Honourable Member for Batu that I was chummy with Enche' Ibrahim bin Yaacob on the visit that we made to Indonesia in December, 1955, and he produced a photograph which was taken in Enche' Ibrahim's house with me and the former Minister and Co-operatives, of Agriculture Enche' Abdul Aziz.
It that is true when we were in Jakarta in December, the 1955, Enche' Ibrahim called on Tunku and myself and it is true that Enche' Ibrahim did invite me to his house and it is also true that we took this photograph in Enche' Ibrahim's house.

Sir, I knew Enche' Ibrahim for a long time before the war; he comes from my own State, Pahang.
At that time in December, 1955, the Alliance was fighting for our independence and Enche' Ibrahim before the war was also independence and when we met in 1955, he said he was keen to support our fight for indepen dence.

We had no quarrel with him at that time and as I said, I knew him well and I went to his house to see the son of a distant relative of mine who died in Indonesia just after the war and this man was living with Enche' Ibrahim.
Now, Sir, when we were fighting for independence, obviously we welcome support from anyone who was willing to support us to achieve freedom for our country.

However, Sir, later when we achieved independence, Enche' Ibrahim, true nationalist, or have the true interest of this country at heart, would have come back to Malaya to help us consolidate our freedom and to help us build our nation.
In fact he was asked by our Minister for Information and Broad casting, who was then our Ambassador to Indonesia, to come back to Malaya, but he refused to do so and instead he took up Indonesian citizenship.

Since then, Sir, we know that he has been instigating some people in this country if he was a 537 22 MAY 1964 538 this Government, is working against to overthrow a legally constituted Government, by violence and by force.
We also know that he is working hand in hand with the communists to overthrow and over run this country.

Therefore, Sir, such a man, whatever his previous back ground might have been, must be regarded as an enemy of the people and as an enemy of our country because he the interest of our country.

I will regard such a man, whoever he may be, even if he is my own blood brother, as an enemy of the State.

There is no con fusion at all in this matter, Sir.


We to have ample proof and evidence is now show working against this country and is in support of some outside power.

Therefore, Sir, if the Honourable Member for Batu and his colleagues choose to associate them selves with Enche' Ibrahim, then we know where they stand.

Ibrahim the interest of that Enche' (Applause) that we choose Dr Tan Chee Khoon: On a point of clarification, Mr Speaker, Sir.
I have not stated to associate; neither did I impute any thing.

I showed the photograph and stated that I was willing to let this House and the country to judge.

I did not impute anything.

to In and Jakarta Soekarno.

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: I only said, Sir, if they choose to associate themselves.

Sir, there is also no need for us here to talk about visits by this Ministers and Councillors of Government their meetings with Soekarno.
Before con frontation, we had no quarrel with President fact, we had no quarrel with anybody except those who want to destroy us, like the communists.

Indeed, we wanted to live friendship with in in peace and Soekarno and with Indonesia just as we want to live in peace with all other countries.

It is only because President Soekarno and his colleagues decided to have this confrontation against us and to attack our country that we oppose them because they have done wrong to us.
Now, Sir, our stand in international in His is clear.

As stated affairs Majesty's Speech, we desire to live in peace with all countries, particularly with our neighbours; but it must be based on respect for our independence and honour and our integrity.

also queried carrying that we Now, Sir, leaving international affairs aside, I would like now to talk about a number of development.
Now, Honourable Members the change of the name of Ministry of Rural Development to Ministry of National and Rural Development.

This was done, Sir, merely to show clearly that the Alliance Government's policy has always been that while we give priority to development in the rural out areas, we are development in the towns and urban areas and to give added impetus to urban development in matters of housing and such other things.
Our Development Plan, as I have always explained to this House in on many occasions, character, national in in scope.

We carry out development in accordance with priorities, because it is to our intention, first and foremost, give all our people of all races, wherever they live, the basic amenities of life and to raise their standard of living so that they can live as decent, civilised human beings.

This is the first task and that is what we have been doing for the last five years.
is national intent and intend it The success of our Plan was amply proved by the overwhelming support given to the Alliance Government in the last elections by the people in the rural is areas.

Therefore, Sir, to say that rural completely untrue the development had not benefited Malays or the non-Malays.
Rural development has benefited everybody both in the rural areas as well as in urban areas, because prosperity in the urban areas must depend on prosperity of the people in the rural areas, and the majority of our people live in rural areas.
If the people in rural areas have a better standard of living and a higher income, it means that the country; and when is more money, there is increased demand for goods and this in turn means better business for the people in the urban is more money there there in 539 22 MAY 1964 540 the into is why we have never areas.

That rural and divided our people urban.

We have always carried out our development policy in accordance with the needs of the people in all areas.
So, our National Rural Development everyone Programme has benefited both in the rural and the urban areas and has benefited the country as a whole.

The massive support that the people gave the Alliance Government in the last elections is ample proof of the success of our Rural Development Programme.

(Applause) It is our inten tion to carry out rural development in the Borneo territories with the same same sense of urgency, with dedication and devotion to duty as we have done here.
We, in the Central Government, are determined to assist the State Governments of Sabah and Sarawak in whatever way possible to enable the development programme of these two territories to be implemented successfully.

We are determined to show the people of Sabah and Sarawak, who have joined us of their own freewill, that Malaysia benefits them and that independence to Malay sia means better and higher standard of living and more amenities of life.
It is only by this way can we prevent them from being infiltrated by com munists or influenced by Indonesian propaganda.

As I have said recently in my visit to Sarawak, it is necessary for us to fight this confrontation by Indonesia in all fields—military as well as economic and social fields.

There fore, our Development Programme in the Borneo territories must be carried out with the same sense of urgency and dedication as we have done here and as we are facing the confrontation.
I do appeal to the leaders in these two territories and to the people there of all races, the Dayaks, the Ibans, the Kadazans, the Malays and the Chinese the Central and State to give to Governments full and whole their hearted co-operation.

to If Malaysia is to succeed, then we must show to our people of all races that we can provide them with a better way of life, higher standard of living and better amenities.
To do this, we to gear our whole must be able administrative machinery, so that our administration can face up to the great task of not only meeting the con frontation militarily but also carrying out our economic development with a sense of urgency and dedication.

It is easy for some people to talk that there should be equal oppor tunities for all.
But before we could have equal opportunities or equalities for all our people, the conditions in the various areas in our country must be changed and must be brought up to a level in which it will be possible for all our people to have equal oppor tunities.

In the past, under colonial rule, the rural people were neglected.

There were no means of communica tions.

There were no social amenities.

There were very few schools.


So, the rural people had very limited oppor tunities of life, in particular, oppor tunities for education.

Therefore, all this must be changed so that, as I said, our people of all races, wherever they may be, will be able to have the basic amenities of life and also opportunities for higher and better standard of living.
in We, inequalities, so the Alliance Government, have for the last nine years been saying that the future of our country depends on our ability to bring our people of all races together and to weld them into one united nation.

But in order to to eliminate do this, it is necessary that imbalances and every citizen in this country, whatever his racial origin may be, can feel that he has a proper place in our country.
As is stated in His Majesty's Speech, this building of one nationhood is a challenge to everyone of us, every citizen of Malaysia.

In order to meet this challenge, we must approach the problem in a practical and objective way.

We must take the conditions of our people of various races as they exist today and correct the imbalances without stressing on the differences.
We have to come to understand, we have to reach agreement, on certain basic principles, on certain delicate issues, such as religion, language and education.

The Alliance Government has reached an understanding on all these vitally inflammable and delicate issues.
Our policy on these issues has 541 22 MAY 1964 542 in country been accepted by the great majority of the people and, this therefore, I say it will be dangerous and detrimental to the interests of our country, if we are now to change our these policy and our approach on basic and issues.
We fundamental should, bearing in mind the principles that we have agreed on the basic issues, move forward to try and help our people of various races, of various racial origins, to obtain better oppor tunities and better amenities of life.
We must not endeavour to upset the plans that we have achieved on these fundamental issues, and that is why in our approach on these issues we must always be careful and we must always endeavour common to bring out grounds, grounds on which our people do agree and do think in the same way.

It is only by doing this that it is possible for us to eliminate differences in course of time.
It is my view, Mr Speaker, Sir, by carefully approaching this issue in a calculated way that we can achieve real unity among our people and build a united nation in this country which, we always say on this side of the House, is the foundation of our peace and our prosperity of our young nation.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada dua perkara yang saya suka hendak jawab Yang Berhormat kapada Yang per- tama, Yang Berhormat dari Kota ada beri pandangan Bharu Hilir meminta Kerajaan Persekutuan atau pun Kerajaan Pusat memberi kerja- sama kapada Kerajaan negeri Kelantan untok menjayakan ranchangan2 kema- juan, ranchangan2 pembangunan luar bandar dalam negeri Kelantan.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya telah kerap kali sebutkan dalam Dewan ini dahulu bahawa Kerajaan Pusat sedia hendak hendak memberi kerjasama, menjalankan kemajuan di-negeri Kelantan yang telah keting- galan sa-lama lima tahun itu; akan tetapi ini Kerajaan sa-hingga hari tidak dapat kerjasama yang Pusat sa-wajar-nya daripada Kerajaan negeri itu.
Mustahak-lah Kerajaan negeri Kelantan menurut atoran dan per- atoran yang di-perbuat oleh negeri2 hal lain sa-kali dalam ranchangan2 terutama sedia ranchangan2 kemajuan tanah, jikalau Kerajaan negeri berkehendakkan ran changan2 kemajuan tanah yang di- jalankan, mustahak-lah Kerajaan negeri menyerahkan kuasa kapada bagi menjayakan Kerajaan ranchangan2 tidak, itu, kalau tentu-lah Kerajaan Pusat tidak sanggup ranchangan2 hendak menjalankan tanah itu.

tanah Pusat bagini, itu.


Jadi, di-persetujui Dalam masa lima tahun yang telah lalu Kerajaan negeri Kelantan enggan membuat enggan menurut atoran yang telah di-jalankan dengan negeri2 yang lain.
Bagitu juga, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berkenaan dengan ranchangan2 pembangunan luar ban dar yang lain, Kerajaan Pusat sedia hendak memberi kerjasama dan men jalankan ranchangan2 daripada negeri Kelantan, asalkan Kerajaan Kelantan boleh menerima atoran dan peratoran yang di-buat oleh Kerajaan Pusat yang oleh Kerajaan2 telah negeri2 yang lain untok menjayakan ranchangan2 kemajuan di-negeri Kelan terpulang-lah kapada tan Kerajaan negeri Kelantan yang ada sekarang ini untok menunjokkan kerja- sama-nya Pusat ranchangan2 jikalau berkehendakkan kemajuan yang di-minta oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Kota Bharu Hilir pada pagi tadi.
Kerajaan Pusat tidak-lah hendak membezakan di- mana2 sunggoh tempat dan daerah oleh itu pun Kelantan sebab Kerajaan PAS.

Akan saya ber- sa-bagai Menteri yang tanggong-jawab dalam hal kemajuan kapada ini ran Dewan ini bagi menjalankan changan2 dengan terator dan sempurna dan kalau dapat kejayaan yang penoh mustahak-lah di- jalankan menurut atoran dan per atoran yang biasa di-perbuat di-negeri2 yang lain.

Kita tidak dapat hendak menjalankan istimewa kapada mana2 negeri.
kapada Kerajaan di-kuasa tetapi ranchangan2 atoran yang tertanggong ada-lah ini Pusat Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, itu-lah sa-kira-nya dasar-nya atas perkara ini Kerajaan hendak kemajuan menjalankan jika dapat kerja di-negeri Kelantan sama negeri.

(Tepok).

daripada Kerajaan ranchangan2 sedia-lah 543 22 MAY 1964 544 I The Minister of Labour (Enche' V. Manickavasagam): Mr Speaker, Sir, I would first like to reply to the Honourable Member for Ipoh, who is unfortunately not in this House.
He wanted to know what we are trying to do regarding the questions of old age pensions, unemployment insurance, etc., as, according to him, these things in His Majesty's are not mentioned refer Gracious Speech.

May the Honourable Member to paragraph 262 on page 44 of the Special Appen dix to His Majesty's Gracious Speech.
For the benefit of this House, I would like to mention that the social security schemes envisaged cover old age, maternity, unemployment, medical-care and sickness With regard to this question was studied by the Special Committee set up by the Government the Government has considered and that unemployment a insurance scheme should be further examined as to its feasibility.
unemployment contributory insurance, injury, the House fortunate Sir, now I would refer to the points raised by the Honourable Member for Pontian Selatan.

He suggested that the Trade Unions Ordinance should be reviewed with a view to excluding political influences from trade unions.

is aware, we have As in Malaya, unlike been happenings the in Singapore, Malayan Trades Union Congress has reaffirmed time and again their policy to steer clear of political affiliations.
I need not stress too much on the wisdom of such a policy.

As long as the trade union movement itself firmly believes in and adheres to this policy, any I to use attempt by political parties trade their political ends would not meet with success.
state confidently unions tools that that can for as to some reference Sir, now turning to the speech of the Honourable Member for Batu, and also with the Honourable Member who spoke just for now—the Honourable Member to explain Bungsar—they asked me to approach the dynamic labour questions mentioned the Special in Appendix to His Majesty's Speech.
If the Honourable Members concerned is their through summarise it, and to to provide to bring within the Ministry of Labour again, what in mind by to legislation for for security measures, and would care to read on from paragraph 259, they would find this explanation.
the To Government has this introduce dynamic approach further protective the workers of this country, such as, to expand the scope of the various labour laws, fold categories of workers at present not covered, increased application of the Wages Council Ordinance to provide remuneration for statutory minimum and conditions of employment where workers are not effectively organised, and to provide greater safety, health the and welfare measures to introduction of a Factory Act, changes bring about organisational within to cope with the changing demands being introduce new made on better legislation better social standards of housing so on.
the one hand Further, while on taken positive action to opportunities, increase the national apprenticeship scheme will be expanded to provide greater facilities for both normal apprentice ship for accelerated adult workers.

In the field of industrial relations, further action will be taken to strengthen and improve employer/ employee relationships and the pro cedures under our system of industrial relations.
The basic work for such an labour questions has approach to already been done and to introduce most of legislative measures I have mentioned during the next session of Parliament.

Through the strengthening of the procedures of industrial employer/ employee relationships, I am hopeful that much of that has taken place, and has been referred to by the Honourable Members for Batu and Bungsar, will be removed.
employment the friction is being relations I hope training and and the More specifically, my Ministry is the possibility of now considering to introducing certain measures that remove some of the difficulties have the over question of recognition of trade unions termination of employment.
Sir, and apparently arisen 545 22 MAY 1964 546 labour and all matters concerning labour legislation are normally dis cussed at the National Joint Labour Advisory Council and shall be guided by the advice of the employers and workers in that Council.

I Sir, the workers the employers and the Honourable Member for Batu also said that the Government only exhorts to place national interests first just before or the strikes.

Nothing can be during farther from the truth.


The voluntary system of industrial relations that we have in this country assumes primarily that both the their mutual workers will conduct relationship in such a way that while their own interests are protected, the national interests or the public interests will not be prejudiced.

I have not to both stress hesitated employers and workers.
Proof of this is available in the very speeches that I former Minister of Labour, have made and the records of the meetings we in have had and long discussions the that I have had with both workers' and employers' organisations.

Thank you, Sir.

and my colleague, this the to suka Mr Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, hendak menerangkan saya ia-itu sadikit, tersalah faham, sa-belum Menteri2 menjawab tadi, saya memberi satu jam lagi kapada Ahli2 yang lain.
takut Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Bungsar telah mengambil masa lebeh kurang lama-nya dan jam sa-tengah ada lagi di-beri peluang jam sa-tengah kapada Ahli2 yang lain.

peluang Saya memberi kapada Yang Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri tadi berchakap dahulu kerana dia minta kebenaran saya yang dia hendak berchakap daihulu, kerana ada pekerjaan yang mustahak.

Bagitu juga dengan Menteri Buroh yang baharu berchakap sa-kejap tadi; dia minta kebenaran hendak berchakap sadikit, kerana dia ada pekerjaan dia di-situ.
Jadi, ada peluang lagi saya beri sa- lama sa-tengah jam kapada Ahli2 yang lain.

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, if I may—I would not take very the points long—I would like to deal seriatim with those Honourable Members who have taken part in this debate.
raised by it is realised for implication, criticised The Honourable Member for Ipoh, who is not present here this evening, has, by the its selection of my Government for Honourable friend, the Member for Sepang, as the Assistant Minister of Education, principally, as far as I can gather, on the ground that he speaks neither Malay nor English fluently.

I think the Assistant Minister of Educa tion's knowledge of Malay is better by perhaps than the Honourable Member Ipoh.
(Applause) We concede, however, that he does not speak English with an Oxford accent.

This stricture, however, coming from the Honourable Member for Ipoh sounds extremely strange.

For years he has been telling us that he is the champion of the Chinese language and culture in this country.
He has taken us to task because he says that we have not given sufficient weight to the importance of the Chinese language in our educational system, and yet when we appoint a product of the very system whose cause he has appeared to espouse and champion all these years, he says we should not have done the it.

It may be Honourable Member when making their these remarks, did not realise implications.
If so, it shows that his apparent espousal of the cause of Chinese education in this country was merely a sham.

It shows that deep down in his heart, he, in fact, has a pretty low opinion of the products of the Chinese schools.

It is revealing, however, to learn the truth, the real truth, and to learn of his real feelings towards Chinese education.

that The Honourable Member for Batu blames the alleged shortcomings of the medical and health services, particularly Government hospitals, on the Treasury.
lurid picture of grave He paints a shortages of essential facilities and drugs, I must say that this is the first time I have heard of these so-called charges.

I can assure him, however, that though the Treasury does believe in economy, it does believe that we should 547 22 MAY 1964 548 get full value for money spent, we have never been guilty of starving essential services either of essential facilities or of essential equipment.

That is simply not true.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu): Mr Speaker, Sir, on a point of clarification.

I believe the former Honourable Mem ber for Seberang Selatan did bring out this question of shortage of drugs and in hospitals.

But he was materials fobbed off by the then Minister of Health who said, "There is no such shortage."
the present Minister of Health that, if he cares to walk with me to the various hospitals in this country and if he cares to talk with me and with the various people who work in the hospitals, they will tell him that the surgeons have to look for the cat guts in the theatre before they can operate.

That is the truth.
That is the truth.

I challenge Enche Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I gave way to the Honourable Member, though I need not do so under the Standing Orders, in order to give him a chance to air his views further.

I have no' doubt that his colleague, the former Member for Seberang Selatan, did make those charges, but he and the rest of the House are aware that the charges of the Socialist Front are more often based on fiction rather than on fact.
However, I have no doubt that my Honourable colleague, the Minister of Health, will reply and deal with him adequately.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like now to deal with the strictures made by an Honourable Member from Singapore.
I am aware that under the Standing Orders we are not supposed to refer to Honourable Members by name, but as the position of Honourable Members in Singapore is rather anomalous at the moment, at least technically, I hope you will allow me to refer to Honour able Members from Singapore by name.

Mr Speaker denotes assent.

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: In any case, this particular Honourable Member cannot be referred to as the Honourable for Singapore because he Member neither represents it technically nor in fact.
of the resources the standpoint of The Honourable Mr Lee Kuan Yew, in his remarks on taxation and on the allocation as scarce between one service and another, has exhorted us "to view the world not rubber from estate owner, or shareholders and stock holders of companies, but to view it also' from the point of view of the rubber tappers and the workers in the companies that produce the rubber for the stockholders and the shareholders".

I have quoted his exact words.


He is singing the familiar theme which he used to such deadly effect (on himself!)

during the recent election campaign.

I can appreciate that for political reasons he must pose as a champion of the poor, a champion of the toiling masses.
To me, however, it is rather strange that whenever this ardent nationalist finds that we cannot accept his point of view, he runs to the British High Commis sioner in Kuala Lumpur for assistance against us, in the same way that a child runs to his mother for help when he is unable to fend for himself against his playmates.

It is significant that Mr Lee has never made a single construc tive suggestion as to how we should go about solving our admittedly difficult financial and economic problems.
All he does is to mouth pious platitudes and vague generalisations.

We also want to improve the lot of the working man, we also want to improve the lot of the worker, we also want to narrow the gap between the "haves" and the "have-nots".

All this we accept, and we can also assure Mr. Lee that we are no less concerned than he about the need to level up instead of levelling down (as advocated by the Socialist Front), so toil, those who sweat, will get a fair share of the fruits of their labour.
No sensible person can quarrel with this view, but the question is "How", and Mr Lee has yet to en lighten us on how he himself would set about this problem.

He does not even give general principles as guide lines for us to follow.

All he does is to repeat parrot-like pious hopes which can be stated with equal eloquence by any intelligent schoolboy.
those who that Datin Fatimah binti Haji Abdul (Johor Bahru Timor): Tuan Majid 549 22 MAY 1964 550 Yang di-Pertua, saya mengambil ke- sempatan bangun di-sini menguchap- kan sa-tinggi2 tahniah di-atas Titah Uchapan Duli Yang Maha Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda bagi membuka Persi- dangan Dewan Ra'ayat Penggal Yang Pertama bagi Parlimen Malaysia yang kedua, dan juga saya menyokong cha- dangan daripada rakan kami supaya Titah Uchapan itu di-bahathkan.
Dan sa-panjang perbahathan yang telah saya dengar selama dua hari yang lalu hingga hari ini ramai di-antara Ahli2 Yang Berhormat telah berchakap ber- kenaan dengan pilehan raya dan demo kerasi.
Dari itu saya tidak-lah hendak mengulas hal itu dengan panjang lebar, sa-kadarkan ada sadikit kemushkilan saya terhadap kechaman yang berat mengutok demokerasi yang datang-nya daripada pehak2 Pembangkang di- dalam Majlis yang mulia ini, kerana yang sa-benar-nya demokerasi di-negeri kita telah di-bela dengan baik serta hidup subor dan tegak di-atas dasar2 yang di-perjuangkan oleh Parti Per ikatan, bahkan bertambah gilang-gemi- lang 'alam chahaya-nya menyinari Malaysia ini.
Sebab pun saya katakan bagitu kerana hanya segelintar ra'ayat sahaja yang sengaja menjadikan demo- karesi itu alat perbahathan mereka untok mendatangkan berbagai2 tudohan dan mereka-lah sa-benar2-nya telah me- nyonteng arang dan menghitamkan chorak demokerasi itu serta menyalah- gunakan demokerasi yang itu untok kesempatan mereka mengeluar- kan chachian yang mereka gunakan dengan sa-puas2 hati-nya terhadap pada Parti Perikatan hingga menyentoh soal peribadi pun mereka tidak kira asalkan mereka boleh gunakan demokerasi menjadi alat untok mendapat keme- nangan.
Tetapi shukor-lah kemenangan jawapan Perikatan ada-lah menjadi yang tepat kapada sa-siapa juga yang telah mempermainkan demokerasi bagi faedah kepentingan mereka sendiri.

tulin Terlanjor berchakap berkenaan de ngan demokerasi ini saya juga mem- bayangkan bagaimana demokerasi yang di-sanjong tinggi serta di-beri penghor- matan kapada ra'ayat yang menghor- mati-nya.
Kami di-Johor Baharu telah menjalankan tugas2 pilehan raya ada- lah betul2 menurut lunas2 demokerasi, kerana, sa-belum kami keluar berkem- pen kami telah di-panggil berunding semua wakil2 parti yang bertanding di-dalam pilehan raya itu oleh pehak yang berkuasa Polis juga pegawai2 yang berkenaan dengan Pilehan Raya, demi- kian juga dalam soal lain hingga mem- buat pondok2 di-tepi jalan itu pun kami telah di-minta membuat dengan per- setujuan bersama di-antara2 parti yang bertanding.
Kami daripada Parti Per ikatan tidak pernah mendapat keisti- mewaan dalam apa2 juga tugas pilehan raya itu kerana semua parti2 telah di- beri layanan yang sama dan sa-rupa.
Ada kala-nya kami berasa hampir2 hilang sabar, kerana memandangkan bahawa kami ada-lah daripada parti yang memerentah, tetapi kemarahan2 itu tiba2 hilang dengan sendiri-nya apa- bila kami teringat pada dasar2 demo kerasi yang di-amalkan oleh Kerajaan tetapi bagai pehak parti Perikatan, lawan kami di-sana ia-itu Barisan Socialis dan Parti PAS telah menggu- nakan demokerasi itu sewenang2 dan dengan sa-suka hati mereka hingga melanggar batasan dan peratoran yang di-tetapkan oleh Undang2 Pilehan Raya, mereka telah mendahului daripada Kerajaan membuat chontoh2 kertas undi atau pun ballot paper yang ber- warna puteh bagi Dewan Ra'ayat dan warna kuning bagi Dewan Negeri serta chukup lengkap dengan tanda simbol parti2 yang bertanding, ia-itu Kapal Layar, Kepala Lembu dan Bulan Bin- tang, yang mana Barisan Socialis telah menunjokkan pangkah yang terang ka pada simbol-nya, manakala Parti PAS pula telah menunjokkan pangkah yang terang kapada simbol-nya dan telah di-beri kapada pengundi2 sa-belum hari membuang undi.
Ini ada-lah sa-baha- gian daripada bukti2 yang dapat saya katakan di-sini bahawa demokerasi telah di-jadikan alat oleh sa-tengah daripada parti2 lawan Perikatan di- Johor Baharu sana, dan sekarang saya pulangkan kapada Majlis yang mulia benar2 ini menimbangkan demokerasi tidak di-hormati oleh Kera jaan yang menjalankan pemerentahan negeri ini.
ada-kah Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-lain dari pada berchakap mengenai dengan pile han raya dan demokerasi di-antara 551 22 MAY 1964 552 Titah Uchapan Seri Paduka Baginda yang sangat menarek hati saya ia-lah berkenaan dengan ranchangan Kera- jaan hendak memberi peluang bekerja kapada orang yang tidak ada peker- jaan, kerana sa-bagaimana yang kita semua tahu bilangan-nya dari sa-tahun ka-satahun ada-lah bertambah ramai, sedang mereka ini sa-bahagian besar- nya tidak mempunyai kepandaian yang di-kehendaki oleh majikan.
Oleh yang demikian mudah2an dengan ada-nya pandangan yang berat daripada pehak Kerajaan terhadap membaiki nasib mereka bererti-lah pembelaan sa-wajar- nya telah di-laksanakan demi kepen- tingan ra'ayat seluroh-nya, sebab kalau dahulu-nya mereka telah putus harapan untok hidup mempunyai pekerjaan, tetapi pada masa sekarang mereka boleh-lah menaroh harapan chemerlang dengan ada-nya ranchangan2 Kerajaan sa-bagaimana yang di-sebutkan di- dalam Titah Baginda itu.
Dan dengan kerana itu juga sudah sa-patut-nya-lah bagi kita mengalu2kan Titah Seri Paduka Baginda serta menguchapkan sa-tinggi2 terima kaseh kapada-nya, ke rana sikap 'adil dan saksama Baginda mengambil berat tentang kebahgiaan dan kesempurnaan hidup ra'ayat-nya.
Di-samping itu juga saya berharap ka pada pehak Kerajaan sa-moga dengan terlaksana-nya tugas Titah Baginda di- dalam bidang pelajaran dan latehan terlibat dengan ke- supaya ra'ayat hendak2 Titah Baginda itu akan se- gera merasai pembelaan yang se- dia dan di-selenggarakan oleh Kera jaan bagi faedah mereka sakalian.

perhatian Sa-lain daripada itu, saya suka juga menarek tentang Titah Baginda mengenai anchaman yang di- hadapi oleh negeri kita.
Sa-sunggoh- nya di-dalam perkara ini saya atas nama warga-negara Malaysia meng uchapkan sa-tinggi2 tahniah kapada Kerajaan yang telah membuktikan ketegasan yang penoh bertanggong- jawab mempertahankan tanah ayer kita sa-bagai sa-buah negara yang merdeka dan berdaulat.
Maka oleh kerana itu di-samping mengalu2kan sa-tiap lang- kah yang di-ambil oleh Kerajaan sa-barang anasir2 yang menentang mengancham negara kita, saya juga menyampaikan hasrat yang di-amanah- kan oleh ra'ayat yang telah memberi mandat kapada Kerajaan Perikatan ke- meneruskan tugas membena bahagiaan dan kema'amoran, juga mempertahankan kemerdekaan dan kedaulatan mereka ada-lah bersedia menyambut Titah Baginda, juga sen- tiasa berdiri tegoh di-belakang Kera jaan di-samping bersedia memberi sa- penoh2 sokongan hak dengan darah dan jiwa sa-kira-nya keadaan telah memaksa minta pengorbanan dari mereka.
tempat lagi dharurat timbangan hidup mereka Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-dalam Titah Uchapan Baginda juga mengenai dengan pertahanan dan keselamatan Kerajaan terus menjalankan tindakan terhadap kominis mengancham sem- padan negara kita.
Kita harus-lah memberikan perhatian yang berat kapada pehak pertahanan dan ke selamatan, kerana di-dalam masa aman apatah tugas mereka-lah yang paling penting untok mengawal ketenteraman negara, maka dengan tanggong-jawab mereka yang sa-bagitu berat sa-bagai alat negara yang nyawa-nya terletak di-hujong senjata, maka sa-bagai kita ada-lah perlu memberi bagai kemudahan2 ia-itu sa-lain daripada sara hidup-nya yang sa-suai, maka tinggal-nya juga patut di-beri layanan yang sem- purna.
Di-sini saya tidak-lah bertu- juan mengatakan Kerajaan tidak me- ngadakan rumah atau barek2 yang baik untok mereka.

Apa yang saya ia-lah bilek2 atau pun maksudkan barek yang ada itu sangat kechil dan tidak selesa atau pun tidak menchukupi besar-nya untok satu2 keluarga.

Saya suka memberi pandangan di-dalam perkara ini sa-moga mendapat per hatian daripada Menteri Yang Berhor- mat.
Sa-bagaimana yang saya tahu kesulitan yang di-hadapi oleh ahli2 polis biasa yang berjawatan rendah tentang tempat tinggal mereka, kerana bilek2 yang di-untokkan bagi mereka itu hanya-lah lebeh kurang 10 kaki persegi sahaja, sedang kalau di-pukul rata pada itu mereka ada mempunyai bilangan anak ka-atas daripada 5 orang.
tiap2 satu keluarga Sa-kurang2-nya elok-lah kita memberi mereka itu bilek yang besar atau pun 553 22 MAY 1964 554 tidak tenaga tidor di-satu dua bilek bagi tiap2 sa-orang supaya yang dengan berpadanan mereka churahkan berkawal siang atau pun malam apabila mereka berada di- rumah masing2 maka dapat-lah mereka dudok dengan saperti rehat keadaan yang ada pada hari ini ia-itu hanya dapat tempat ruangan tetamu sahaja.
Jadi manakala keluarga mereka yang lebeh daripada enam tujoh orang dan yang ada sampai 12 orang mereka macham ikan sadin berlimpah2 dan bertindeh2.

Ini sangat- lah patut di-pertimbangkan supaya ra'ayat di-berikan layanan kapada mereka agak sesuai dengan perkhid- tanah ayer matan sa-bagai perajurit yang merdeka dan berdaulat.
Tetapi apa yang saya saksikan pada hari ini keadaan tempat tinggal mereka sangat- lah menyedehkan ia-itu umpama-nya saya mithalkan di-Johor Bahru sana, sa-tengah sa-tengah-nya tinggal di-dalam barek yang terletak di-tengah bandar ia-itu di-antara Jalan Campbell dengan Jalan Ah Fook.

Tetapi dukachita apabila hari hujan lebat maka kebanjiran-lah mereka semua kerana ayer bah kira2 satu kaki bilek2 tinggi-nya masok mereka yang sudah sedia sempit dengan anak2 mereka juga penoh dengan barang2 rumah tangga.
ka-dalam daripada Mr Speaker: Nampak-nya panjang sangat—sudah 10 minit lebeh rengkaskan sahaja-lah.

Datin Fatimah binti Haji Abdul Majid: Dengan kerana itu, saya ber- seru-lah kapada pehak Kerajaan supaya melebehkan timbang rasa atas keadaan itu ketika membena bilek mereka baharu di-masa yang akan datang.

Atau pun buat sementara waktu pada masa sekarang benarkan-lah ahli2 polis itu mendudoki dua bilek pada satu lega sadikit keadaan rumah supaya mereka itu tinggal pada satu2 keluarga.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada uchapan saya yang akhir saya ada-lah tinggal di-negeri Johor ia-itu Johor Bharu ada- lah berdekatan sangat dengan negeri Singapura.

ada-lah menjadi satu perhatian kapada saya juga.

Saya boleh memberi gambaran yang terang sa-kali bagi membuktikan kata2 saya ini.

Di-negeri Singapura ada Jadi Singapura saya di-sana daripada tempat2 yang banyak pen- kawasan dudok2 yang terdiri daripada orang2 Melayu.
Di-sini bayangkan umpama di-dalam Singapura manakala kita masok di-Jalan Ubi, di-Jalan Bayam, di-Jalan Tebu dan di-Jalan 80 peratus ini, terdiri Marekan orang2 Melayu.

daripada Tetapi sangat mendukachitakan, nasib pen- dudok2 dahulu hingga sekarang tidak dapat pembelaan satu pun.
Manakala jalan2 raya maseh lagi jalan2 merah dan berlubang2 lekok- lekek, manakala kereta berjalan di- atas jalan raya ini macham berjalan di-atas gelombang atau pun berumba dan sampah pula penoh bertimbun2 di-tepi jalan dan parit penoh dengan ayer longkang danau yang berbau tidak bergerak ka-mana2.

Manakala hari hujan maka longkang2 yang ber rumah2 telah masok dekat bau orang yang ada berdekatan di-situ.
ini tanggong-jawab-nya itu pun memadai Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kami pernah mendengar suara yang melaung2 untok membawa angin perubahan kemajuan dalam Malaysia.

Saya rasa ta' usah-lah mereka bersusah payah hendak mem bawa chadangan mengubah suasana masharakat negeri kita, ubahkan sa haja-lah keadaan parit2 dan longkang2 di-sepanjang jalan di-Kampong Melayu sa- di-Singapura bagai (Tepok).
Kalau-lah untok menjamin kebersehan tidak dapat di- Kampong Melayu sempurnakan, bagaimana-kah chara- nya Kerajaan Singapura boleh mem- berikan jaminan mempertinggikan taraf hidup kalau-lah rumah2 pangsa yang di-peruntokkan; saya tahu tidak berapa kerat daripada orang Melayu yang mampu menyewa-nya dan sesuai untok di-dudoki-nya.

Apa yang saya nampak akibat yang akan di-terima ia-lah oleh orang Melayu di-sana kerana tidak sa-chara langsong mereka akan terusir daripada tempat asal-nya.
Kalau dahulu mereka tinggal ber- kumpul di-satu tempat tidak berapa lama lagi mereka akan bertempiaran berpechah nasib mereka masing2.

Oleh yang demikian dengan kelak melemahkan suara orang Melayu di- Singapura.

Kerajaan Singapura boleh menda'awa bahawa layanan2 istimewa belah membawa perpechahan ini-lah 555 22 MAY 1964 556 telah di-berikan kapada orang Melayu tetapi orang Melayu sendiri yang telah menolak-nya.
Ini memang satu alasan yang bijak tetapi kita ada-lah men- jawab-nya untok melepaskan batok di- tangga sahaja.

terbacha di-dalam tidak-lah hendak berchakap Saya demikian untok membangkitkan semangat perkauman hanya meminta pembelaan kerana dengan Persekutuan tidak memberikan Tanah Melayu layanan berbedza2 kapada ra'ayat yang berbilang bangsa.

Hanya di-Singapura sahaja orang2 Melayu menjadi mangsa angin perubahan untok kemajuan orang lain tetapi kehanchoran dan kehapusan hak orang Melayu di-sana.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kebetulan pula cherita di- dalam akhbar Berita Harian semalam mengatakan, di-Singapura kira2 600 orang Kampong Alexander yang mana 200 orang daripada-nya ia-lah orang Melayu telah di-perentahkan berpindah daripada tanah tempat tinggal mereka.

Bagitu juga sadikit masa yang lalu saya akhbar juga mengatakan lebeh seribu orang Melayu pendudok2 Kampong Ambar juga telah di-kenakan perentah pindah daripada tempat kediaman masing2.
Dan orang2 ini khabar-nya telah di-suroh menchari kawasan lain pula untok di-jadikan tempat kediaman-nya.

Tuan Yang di- Pertua, sa-sunggoh-nya kalau-lah benar cherita2 kejadian saperti ini, saya ingin tahu apa-kah langkah2 di-ambil oleh Menteri Kebajikan Masharakat di-Singapura untok menolong orang Melayu yang menjadi mangsa per- pindahan itu.

Sebab saya perehaya orang ini bukan semua terdiri daripada kaum buroh sahaja bahkan juga di- antara-nya bangsa2 lain yang terdiri daripada gulongan orang2 miskin.
Dengan kerana itu sama ada sudah tindakan di-ambil atau pun belum kerana kebajikan mereka, saya merayu- lah kapada pehak yang berkuasa di- Singapura tolong-lah ambil perhatian yang berat terhadap nasib mereka khas-nya orang Melayu di-sana yang kita tahu pada masa sekarang suara- nya jauh di- belakang ia-itu suara2 yang berirama ia-itu menuntut pembelaan.

sedeh juga nasehatkan Dengan sa-kira-nya kapada sayup2 ketinggalan ini saya parti P.A.P.
itu sila-lah mereka tidak mahu menyesali dari kemudian bertindak sekarang dan beri-lah pembelaan yang sa-wajar-nya kapada saudara2 kami orang Melayu di-Singapura sana.

Sekian-lah, terima kaseh.

The Minister of Transport (Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like to reply to the Honourable Member for Ipoh .

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Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, boleh-kah saya ber chakap sadikit?

Dato' Haji Sardon: The time is limited.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Dua minit sahaja.


Dato' Haji Sardon: I have not come to that point yet.

in this House of Mr Speaker: Order, order!

Dato' Haji Sardon: Sorry, Sir.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like first to reply to the Honourable Member for Ipoh, who unfortunately is not here.

He asked me to reply on a matter of policy as to the issue of licences giving preference to the Malays.
Now, he the mentioned privilege given to the Malays by my Ministry in the issue of road transport licences, in particular licences for taxi cabs and hire cars.

He expressed the hope that my Ministry would revise the practice of establishing target figures, based upon population ratios.
As the Honourable Member may be aware—as he himself is a lawyer— Section 118 of the Road Transport Ordinance, which is in line with Article 153 of the Constitution, provides that preference should first be given to the Malays for such licences until the number of such licences given to the Malays is satisfactory.

The decision as to whether or not this position is satisfactory is based upon the ratio of Malay to non-Malay population.

I consider that this basis is fair and reasonable.


Now, I would like to quote.

According to the latest census, in the whole of the Federation of Malaya, Malays come to about 49.8 per cent.

Up-to-date the Malay ratio has come 557 22 MAY 1964 558 up to 48.08 and in the number of hire cars and taxi licences issued, out of 4,149 in all, the Malays up to now have been given only 1,995, or 48.08 per cent—not even half.
Now, the Honour able Member for Ipoh is a bit con cerned with his State, because he is in Perak—unfortunately he is not here, but I think he will see the report; in Perak the Malay quota is only 39.7 per cent and that target has been achieved and has been gazetted on the 4th of March, 1959.

But he is always worried that although the non-Malays can apply whenever there is any vacancy for the issue of new permits for taxis, the ultimate result was that it was given to a Malay.
But we have to count on points and I did explain to him, not only once but many times in this House, that the points counted will be that whoever applies, he must state that he stays at the place where the taxi is to be based—that is the first point.

The second point is that he must be able to drive the taxi.

The third point is, has he served in any of the the country?

That is, whether he had been a member of the Services.
And the fourth point is that, has he got the money to purchase and not to deal in an "Ali Baba" trick—name lending.

Many of the Malay applicants have been ex-servicemen and we have all agreed that they should be given a chance to earn a livelihood after the Emergency ended in Malaya; therefore, the Malay applicants not because they are Malays were considered and given on points.

This is the grouse.
This is the grouse.

But I would like to say to all the Honour able Members of the Opposition who want to wipe out the privileges of the Malays, which the Constitution, get your party to win, get a two-thirds majority, then amend the Constitution (Applause).

the defence of is guaranteed forces for in Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka hendak .

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Dato' Haji Sardon: No, no, I am not pointing at him—sorry (Laughter) but I am addressing the Members of the Opposition who are trying to get rid of the privileges of the Malays.

Tuan Syed Ja'afar bin Hasan Albar: He is one of them.

therefore have Dato' Haji Sardon: Now, he put in another reason.

To say that because of the establishment of the targets we have caused the number of illegal taxis to increase, is definitely incorrect.
I suggest to my Honourable friend the Member for Ipoh—and not for Batu— that the presence of illegal taxis is the result of more tangible reasons—it is economic.

In operating a diesel-engine taxi a licencee would require to pay licence and insurance fees amounting to something like $104 a month for a diesel-engine of between 16 to 20 H.P.

In the case of a private vehicle, an illegal taxi owner pays only slightly over $60 a month.

There is already a difference of $44 a month.


In addition to this, the private vehicle is not subject to restrictions on the maximum number of passengers it can carry.

He is also not subject to regular inspection by the Road Transport Department and does to maintain his not vehicle to a required standard.

This accordingly reduces his maintenance to costs.

He charge than would be economical for licensed taxis to follow.
But I would like to advise members of the public not to travel in the "pirate" taxis taxis or because they are not insured and if they were to be injured travelling in that taxi, or broke their heads or broke their arms, they have no chance to get any compensation.

The Government has always taken action to check illegal taxi operators, but unfortunately this is not easy without the co-operation of the public.
My Ministry will continue to ensure that these illegal operators are brought to book whenever sufficient evidence is available.

In Perak alone, we have seized eight vehicles in the first four months of this year, of which five have been confiscated and the balance of three are waiting for trial.

I am sure that if my learned friend from Ipoh had been here, probably he would be more convinced to hear me speaking rather than reading from the report or reading from the newspaper reports.
This is the whole trouble with is consequently able lower rates the public illegal 559 22 MAY 1964 560 the Opposition side.

When they expect us to reply, they never show up.

Now, I would like to reply to the Honourable Member for Batu, and now I will speak in Malay.

kalau terus.
kalau terus.

Sa-belum Kapada Yang Berhormat dari Batu kerana dia mahir dalam bahasa Melayu dan dia juga tidak bersetuju sa-orang daripada Menteri Muda konon-nya berchakap dalam satu Majlis yang mana ia hadhir, orang semua chakap itu chakap Melayu, Menteri Muda ia mahir Inggeris, bagitu bahasa Melayu dan biar-lah saya ia chakap Melayu hendak bangun hendak minta ma'af bagitu bagini tunggu-lah dahulu dengar saya berchakap.
Pehak pembangkang, pertama sa-kali pehak Socialist Front, selalu hentam keromo, erti-nya gasak sahaja.

Saya tidak ada di-sini, tetapi saya dapat tahu yang ia telah mengata- kan The Minister of Transport, Menteri Pengangkutan Dato' Sardon chabar sama President Soekarno.

Saya tidak pernah chabar President Soe karno, saya berasa malu, President Soekarno umor-nya sudah 63 tahun sekarang, saya sa-bagai Ketua Pemuda UMNO Malaya tidak patut menchabar orang yang tua sa-macham itu.
Sa- kurang2-nya pun saya hormati umor- nya, tetapi sa-benar-nya tudohan yang tidak betul, kalau tidak perchaya nanti barangkali Yang Berhormat itu kalau tidak betul ia sa-bagai sa-orang gentleman dan sa-bagai sa-orang yang betul2 faham dan barangkali akan berehakap, dan saya akan benarkan ia berehakap.
Yang sa-benar-nya yang saya chabar ia-lah Aidit, Ketua Partai Kominis Indonesia yang menjadikan ini kita huruhara, yang menjadikan konfrantasi semua sekarang ini menghadapi segala per- segala pengorbanan meng siapan, hendak hadapi siapa melanggar negara kita, kita akan (Ketawa).

Kita bukan leborkan-nya tetapi mahu mahu meleborkan dia, tanah ayer, kemer- mempertahankan dekaan negara kita (Tepok).
Maka saya harap Yang Berhormat wakil dari Batu akan tidak ada membetulkan yang saya menchabar President Soekarno.

Tetapi kehormatan yang kita yang juga dan itu ini saya menchabar Aidit yang hendak hanchorkan Malaysia, dan chabaran itu saya telah terima jawapan, Sardon mari datang di-Ibu Kota Jakarta di- Ibu Pejabat Kominis, ini menyatakan yang Aidit bachul, mahu saya pergi di-Headquarters mahu di-keriok ramai2, mahu hentam saya satu orang, ini tidak kena gaya, ini-lah chara-nya kominis mahu berjuang.
soal saya saya tukar sahaja saya menjadi itu, (Tepok).

Betul anak Kedua-nya ada Menteri nama anak- nya Soekarno, konon-nya sudah di- tukar, dia tidak tahukan siapa Menteri itu?

Maka, biar terangkan, Menteri ini dia Menteri-nya, saya Sardon nama-nya Mohamed Soekarno, nama tidak menjadi soal pokok, daripada dahulu nama anak saya yang No.
1 the hero of Mohamed Rizal, the the Philippines maka of Malay apabila sudah dapat tahu keadaan tidak mahu nama konfrantasi, saya anak pokok di-Tanah Melayu, dan saya menjadi tidak boleh control bapa Soekarno sama Soekarno, maka pun mengambil keputusan tukar nama anak sahaja, potong saya, senang nama Soekarno, Mohamed itu engkau.

(Ketawa).

Habis kesah, betul.
Alhamdulillah, kita minta kapada Allah pada malam tadi kita dengar President Soekarno sudah setuju mahu tarek balek ashkar2-nya, dan kita harap lima point yang Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Batu itu minta tidak payah-lah di-chadangkan, sudah kami chuba lama sudah, baharu ini Soekarno setuju, kita harap nanti ia setuju berunding, boleh damai perkara ini kalau Indonesia mahu damai, tetapi kalau Indonesia dia mahu hanchorkan Malaysia bagaimana juga Kepala Parti Socialist Front atau Kepala Lembu mahu hanchorkan Malaysia, sila sa- belum kami hanchor, mempertahankan negara kami, biar ikrar kami hanchor jadi debu, pemuda2 Malaysia, kalau atau pun pemuda Socialist Front pemuda2 Barisan Sosialis tidak berani dan tidak mahu mempertahankan Malaysia, lagi baik mereka tidak ada dalam Malaysia ini, kerana mahu tidak mahu mereka akan remok dan hanchor (Tepok), tetapi kami sanggup tetapi kami biar ini 561 22 MAY 1964 562 tanah untok mempertahankan ayer kami, chukup-lah buat panduan.
Oh!

belum habis, ada lagi satu.

Saya kalau ta' jawab, sangat malu, kerana apa, nama orang yang tidak ada di-dalam Rumah yang berhormat ini di-sebut.

semua kemudian-nya Di-dalam bulan June, rombongan kaum wanita dari Malaya telah pergi ka-Indonesia.

Rombongan itu di-ketuai oleh Yang Berhormat Senator Aishah pula Datin Ghani, Saadiah, itu ta' apa-lah, tetapi dia kata isteri Menteri Pengangkutan pula di- tambah-nya lagi, yang ketiga Yang Berhormat Che' Som.
Konon-nya Yang Berhormat Che' Aishah Ghani sa- bagai Ketua Rombongan itu mengata- kan, kami hendak minta chari panduan daripada kaum2 ibu di-Indonesia.

Ini menunjokkan sa-kali kita simpati, atau kita menyokong kaum2 ibu di-Indonesia, bahkan tidak.
Tim- sa-sudah Perdana Menteri, balan kembali dari Manila dan telah be- runding dengan Menteri Luar Indone isteri Dr sia, Dr Subandrio, dan Subandrio kenal baik dengan Tuan Perdana Abdul Razak, Timbalan Menteri, dan meminta supaya tiga orang kaum ibu dari Tanah Melayu ini di-hantar supaya dapat perhubongan itu mahu baik, kerana pada waktu jalan perdamaian, di-adakan tetapi terganggu sa-kerat jalan, malang-nya tetapi sekarang kita mahu perhubongan balek.
Maka uchapan Che' Aishah Ghani, sa-bagai Ketua Rombongan itu bukan ia mahu mengikut, atau ia tidak lebeh maju daripada Kaum Ibu Indonesia, tetapi ini ada-lah adat orang Melayu—saya minta resam wakil Batu itu faham—sabagai adat resam orang Melayu, apabila kita pergi ka-rumah atau negeri orang, kita dengan merendahkan suka itu, dia kata, kami sebab juga hendak menengok, hendakkan panduan apa yang baik untok kami boleh buat oleh2an, boleh di-jalankan tidak mengikut di-Tanah Melayu, dengan buta ini semua kata pehak parti pembangkang sangat2- lah hendak menghambat hati orang2 Indonesia, sangat-lah kita ini lemah, sangat-lah kita tundok kapada Indonesia, sebab itu Kerajaan juga yang menyebabkan Perikatan diri.
Maka tuli.

Maka ini mahu confrontasi ini.

Ini ada-lah tidak betul; saya belum habis lagi.

ada keluar apabila Philipina Maphilindo juga di-sebutkan.

Per dana Menteri Singapura dan juga Menteri Pengangkutan, Sardon Jubir, juga menyokong Maphilindo.
Saya suka terangkan kapada Yang Berhormat wakil dari Batu, sa-bagai sa-orang nationalist, dan saya perchaya beliau kalau sa-benar2-nya sa-orang natio nalist, tentu bersetuju dengan saya dan semua orang yang ada dalam Rumah yang berhormat ini yang kita punya dasar, atau policy Kerajaan Perikatan, mahu berbaik2 dengan jiran2 semua sa- kali yang ada di-dalam lengkongan Tenggara Asia ini, Malay Archipelago.
Orang sa-banyak 30,000,000; orang Indonesia ada sa- banyak 100,000,000; orang Malaysia ada sa-banyak 10,000,000.

Ada-kah kita di-suroh bergadoh2 tetapi oleh kerana Maphilindo ini di-bangkang oleh komunis sejak dari mula2 sa- kali chadangan Maphilindo ini, maka Socialist Front juga membangkang Maphilindo.

Maka apabila Aidit, Ketua Parti Komunis Indonesia, sampai di-Hong Kong, lepas ia meminta tolong ka-Moscow, minta ia bilang hanchorkan Malaysia.
Ia balek ka- Jakarta, ia minta President Sukarno dengan apa helah-nya juga, berkata hanchorkan Malaysia, sampai baharu2 ini, dua malam dahulu, saya men- dengar di-radio mengatakan hanchor juga kan Malaysia.

Kita dengar kempen2 belum berapa bulan lagi, belum berapa minggu lagi, saya pergi ka-Kluang, Parti Socialist Front, Parti Kepala Lembu, apa ia kata: "Han chorkan Malaysia".
Saya kata: "Kalau hendak hanchorkan Malaysia, han chorkan aku sa-orang dahulu, hanchor kan umat yang 10 juta dalam Malaysia ini, baharu-lah hanchorkan Malaysia ini".

Kalau hanchor Malaysia ini, ada-kah mereka—parti yang menyeru hanchorkan Malaysia tidak hanchor?
Ini-lah yang menyebabkan Allah subhanahu wata'ala juga tahu, ra'ayat menjadi hakim—2,700,700 orang pengundi2, wakil ra'ayat dari pada Parti Socialist Front yang dahulu-nya ada tujoh orang, sekarang tinggal chuma dua orang; sa-orang tolong ka-Peking, itu 563 22 MAY 1964 564 wakil ra'ayat yang lama ia-itu dari Pulau Pinang Dato Keramat, dan sa- orang wakil dari baharu yang kawasan Batu, Kuala Lumpur.
saya Maka saya berharap Yang Berhor- mat wakil dari Batu jangan-lah menjadi macham batu, kaku, biar-lah tersenyum sadikit kerana apa, saya pun sudah kena tutoh juga.
Maka kalau sudah kena tutoh sama2 kita berchakap dalam sama2-lah kita soal politik, maka terima dengan baik, kerana ini dalam perbahathan, dan saya berharap Yang Berhormat wakil dari Batu sa-kira-nya silap yang tidak menchabar President Sukarno, kerana saya malu, President Sukarno berumor 63 tahun, saya baharu 48 tahun, saya Ketua Pemuda, ta' patut chabar macham itu.

Maka saya minta-lah kapada Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ini-lah sahaja, dan saya uchapkan banyak terima kaseh.
Maka kalau sekarang ini, barangkali wakil terdiri2 hendak ber dari Batu chakap, saya boleh dudok, kerana dia minta peluang hendak berchakap.

Saya harap Yang Berhormat wakil Batu boleh berchakap apabila saya dudok.

tadi Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka hendak memberi uchapan di-atas uchapan Menteri Pengangkutan.

Saya hendak minta ma'af kapada Menteri itu dan kapada Rumah yang berhormat ini, oleh kerana sa-malam saya ada ber- kata yang Menteri itu ada meminta lawan dengan Sukarno.
Sa-betul-nya, Menteri itu ada meminta lawan dengan Enche' Aidit.

Demikian itu, saya sa- kali lagi minta ma'af kapada Menteri juga minta ma'af kapada itu, dan Rumah yang berhormat ini.

The Assistant Minister of Educa tion (Enche' Lee Siok Yew): Mr Speaker, Sir, I think this is the right time for me to say a few words here in order to show the test of the Member for Ipoh and the Member for Batu who spoke day before yesterday and yesterday about my appointment as the Assistant Minister of Education.
Mr Speaker, Sir, I have been appointed as Assistant Minister of Education because the leader of the Alliance has confidence in me that I should be able to represent the views of that the M.C.A.

the people to my Ministry.

Mr Speaker, Sir, as you are aware, the M.C.A.

has been accused by the Opposition in this House, outside this House and also at election rallies.

The Opposition has accused is selling Chinese culture and also is trying to kill, destroy, Chinese culture in this country.
Sir, today I am a member of the M.C.A.

and also an elected Member to this House for a second term from my constituency.

However, when I am appointed as an Assistant Minister, there is something which the Opposi tion has to say particularly about my qualifications.

Sir, the Member for Ipoh was campaigning that this party is to protect, and to preserve, the Chinese culture in this country.

I myself have been educated in Chinese and have spent twelve years in a Chinese school.
But today, when I have been appointed as Assistant Minister of Education, the Opposition is not happy about it.

of Mr Speaker, Sir, I admit that I do not have an academic degree or even a University degree, but I have what is most needed in holding the post of Assistant Minister Education, because I am a man of the people.

I know and I understand the people's problems and their cultural needs, and I shall dedicate my service to meet such problems and needs.
Today, in spite of the criticisms from the Opposition— they have alleged that the M.C.A.

is quite useless—we have on this side of the House more elected M.C.A.

Mem bers of Parliament as compared with the number in the year 1959.

We have 27 elected M.C.A.

M.Ps out of 34 last candidates, who stood election and supported by the Chinese.

That shows that the Opposition's accusation is not true.
the returned (Applause), in to Mr Speaker, Sir, I am very proud to be appointed this high post of Assistant Minister.

I shall try to do my very best, and with all my ability to discharge my duty, in order to assist my Honourable Minister to implement the Alliance Education policy.

Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like to take this opportunity also to say a few words in Bahasa Kebangsaan.
565 22 MAY 1964 566 lupa silap tidak kawasan ini dan itu kalau juga dapat Tuan Yang di-Pertua, suara2 di- uchapan2 dalam Dewan daripada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat di- Dewan ini berkenaan Pilehan Raya 25 haribulan April yang lalu, saya sa- bagai chalun daripada Parti Perikatan bertanding saya—kawasan saya di-Sepang—satu kawasan tua yang Parti Lembu kuat dan satu kawasan yang 95% pengundi itu orang buroh, orang penureh getah, orang menanam sayor2an dan pekerjaan lain2.
sokongan penoh Dan daripada Barisan Sosialis di-Singapura mengambil 100 orang pemuda dan pemudi pendudok di-kawasan saya melawan dan tentang saya, tetapi hari ini ra'ayat sudah terang dan fahamkan apa-kah kerja2 dia buat dan apa-kah itu.

uchapan daripada Parti Lembu Parti saya Perdana Menteri Singapura ada ber- uchap parti itu parti communist front.

Ahli2 Yang Berhormat di-Dewan ini jangan sebab Parti apa-kah Lembu itu dan Parti Tandok itu jadi tandok patah?

itu menjawab-nya bagi saya senang.


Ahli2 Yang Berhormat jangan lupa, tahun 1945 Parti Kominis Malaya ada memerentah Persekutuan Tanah Me- layu sa-lama 14 hari.

Saya tahu sebab saya datang dari kawasan kominis yang kuat, Kajang.

Bila kominis perentah Malaya 14 hari di-Malaya ini, kami menampak bendera merah di-pasang di-tiap2 pekan dan kampong.

Hari ini kami tengok Parti Lembu itu ekor pun merah, kepala pun merah, kaki pun merah (Ketawd).
Tetapi Pilehan Raya 25 haribulan April yang lalu di-kawasan Batu, di-kawasan saya Parti di-kawasan Damansara dan itu yang kuat, Ahli2 Yang Lembu Berhormat nampak-lah di-pasang ben dera merah tidak tahu-lah.

Apa-kah maksud pasang tidak bendera merah kominis?

Ahli2 Yang Berhormat jawab-lah di-dalam Dewan ini atau di-luar Dewan ini.

juga.

Jadi.

saya itu kalau (Tepok).


Soal itu Saya pun faham juga Yang Ber itu di-dalam hari hormat dari Batu raya melawat kawasan dia pilehan sendiri dari ka-sarumah sa-rumah membawa peti ubat untok menolong orang sakit sa-bagai sa-orang doktor.

Memuji orang pengundi di-hari pilehan raya, tetapi saya suka minta kapada itu boleh-kah Yang Berhormat ahli mulai hari ini dan tiap2 bulan mem bawa peti ubat itu jumpa orang yang sokong dia di-kawasan-nya itu?
Kalau boleh saya mengaku dia Yang Ber hormat itu ada-lah sa-orang yang baik dan betul mahu tolong orang miskin, tidak Yang Berhormat tetapi kalau itu sudah menipu pengundi sahaja (Tepok).

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, itu-lah saya uchapan daripada uchapkan terima kaseh kapada Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

saya dan Dr Lim Chong En: Mr Speaker, Sir, on a point of order.
I did not the Honourable Assistant interrupt Minister because it is not the practice for us to interrupt the Government benches, but I would like to make a point of clarification.

He started by replying to the Honourable Member for Ipoh and the Honourable Member for Batu and then he referred to the fact the Opposition—which included us—did not approve of his appointment.

Sir, on a point of clarification, I would say that on our side here, we have reserved our judgment.
We wish to see what will transpire before we pass judgment.

We have not asked about his qualifi cations.

We shall judge him according to his deeds in the next five years.

that The Minister of Health (Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun untok men- jawab uchapan2 Ahli2 Yang Berhormat mengenai Kementerian Kesihatan.

supaya Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Temerloh meminta layanan perubatan di-bahagian out-patient di-beri per- chuma kapada orang ramai.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bayaran bagi rawatan di-bahagian out-patient memang telah berjalan kuat-kuasa-nya di-dalam tiap2 negeri semenjak beberapa tahun yang lampau.

Saperti di-nyatakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Temerloh itu Pegawai Perubatan mempunyai kuasa sa-saorang yang di- membebaskan fikirkan-nya tidak mampu membayar daripada bayaran yang di-tetapkan itu, sama ada sa-bahagian daripada-nya atau kesemua-nya sa-kali.
567 22 MAY 1964 568 ini sedar ada-lah Kementerian tentang ini masaalah dan kerumitan yang telah timbul berkenaan-nya, dan pada masa ini perkara di-dalam siasatan dan satu Jawatan-kuasa akan supaya bayaran di-lantek bagi-nya, yang di-kenakan ada-lah sama di- serata negeri2 di-Malaya, dan supaya hanya mereka2 yang mampu mem- bayar di-kenakan bayaran.
Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Temerloh juga meminta Kerajaan mengadakan peratoran atau undang2 bagi mengawal harga ubat2 yang di-beri oleh doktor2 private; di-adakan dan meminta undang2 supaya ubat2 di-peroleh dari- pada "chemists" dan bukan-nya di-jual oleh doktor2 itu terus.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada masa ini dan mengikut kelaziman di-negeri2 lain, ada-lah menjadi keberatan bagi Kerajaan mengadakan peratoran atau undang2 mengawal bayaran ubat2 atau rawatan yang di-beri oleh doktor2 private sebab menyentoh kebebasan itu bertindak.

Kerajaan sa-saorang ada-lah berikhtiar bersunggoh2 untok memperluas dan memperelok perkhid- matan perubatan, dengan tujuan supaya kemudahan2 perubatan dapat dengan tiap2 pendudok senang-nya kapada yang memerlukan-nya.
Dengan demi- kian kelak berapa tidak-lah mustahak bagi sa-saorang pergi kapada doktor private untok menerima ra watan.

lagi Peratoran di-United Kingdom tidak boleh kita ikut pada masa ini kerana kita kurang serba serbi-nya.

Di-seluroh Malaya kita ada lebeh kurang 60 pharmacists sahaja.

Ranchangan untok memperbanyakkan latehan pharmacists ada di-dalam timbangan Kerajaan.
Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Tumpat dan Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Melaka Selatan meminta kerajaan mengadakan sa-orang doktor di-kawasan2-nya.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka menyatakan bahawa Kementerian Kesihatan ada- ikhtiar lah menjalankan untok menambahkan bilangan doktor2.

Permintaan Ahli2 Yang Berhormat itu di- telah penohkan keadaan mengizinkan.
sa-genap di-ambil apabila ingatan sahaja untok is not here The Honourable Member for Ipoh— he today—referred to ill-treatment or non- complaints of treatment of patients in hospitals and also complaints about blood transfu sion where relatives of patients are threatened to provide blood.

Mr Speaker, Sir, the Ministry of Health welcomes justifiable and constructive complaints against improper treatment and service in the hospitals and health service as a whole.
My Ministry invariably causes investigations to be made into such complaints and makes every endeavour to ensure against a repetition.

Disciplinary action against the officers concerned is taken where under merited.

My Ministry review the machinery to deal with such complaints to ensure effective and expeditious attention.

In fact, I have in the appointment of a special mind to deal with such complaints officer and take immediate action.
In some hospitals the supply of blood in the blood bank is inadequate to meet the need for blood.

Basic to the solution of the problem is the willingness of the general public to donate their blood to our blood banks and thereby maintain an adequate and steady supply.

I earnestly appeal to members of the public to do so.

At the same is giving constant attention to the re-organisation and running of the various blood banks in our hospitals.
time my Ministry to come forward has The Honourable Member for Batu touched on the newspaper report that Hospital Assistants will be made Assistant Medical Officers.

I am afraid this is a case of inaccurate reporting by the Press.

The statement I made refers the creation of posts of Hospital Assistants who would dis the functions and duties of charge to Medical Officers, or Assistants Medical Assistants, and not Assistant Medical Officers.
to to the Committee the cholera outbreak The Honourable Member also re ferred in Malacca.

I would like to inform him that of Enquiry appointed by the Cabinet to report on the outbreak of cholera in 1963 had made its investigations and had sub mitted its report and recommendations, 569 22 MAY 1964 570 which were presented to Parliament on 10th January, 1964.
The points raised by the Honourable Member for Batu have been fully dealt with in the said report, and I do not consider further comments are necessary.

to solve a Government is being made The Honourable Member also re ferred to the shortage of doctors and the delay in appointing applicants.

I would like to state here that every effort the problem of shortage of doctors.
Apart from the arrangements made some time back to recruit doctors from the Philippines, on to Government basis, every encourage to ment individual applications especially from India, Pakistan, Ceylon and Burma.

these countries Twenty doctors from have been recruited into the service since July, 1963.

Over one hundred and fifty applications are under action.

It is found, however, that many of the applicants, due lack of proper to housemen training, are not registrable under our Ordinances.
is and has been given With regard to the appointment of doctors, delays do at times occur in cases where insufficient information is submitted by the applicants since their applications and experiences are basic to the determination of their registra tion, appointment and salary.

In clear cut cases appointments are made within one week after the receipt of applica tions.

The Honourable Member also re ferred to the question of subsidy for the Lady Templer Hospital.
Mr is under Speaker, Sir, this question consideration by the Government and I am personally this matter.

looking into inform The Honourable Member also en quired with regard to the new General I would Hospital, Kuala Lumpur.

like to the architects for the new General Hospital have been appointed and the detailed drawings are being done.
It is expected that construction would commence in 1965. this House that With regard to shortage of drugs the hospitals, in the Honourable and other as complained by things Member, I shall personally investigate into this matter, and I hope he will give his co-operation.

I shall be meeting representatives of the Malayan Medical Association soon in order to discuss with them problems relating to my Ministry.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya uchapkan tegoran2 yang terima kaseh di-atas membena daripada Ahli2 Yang Ber- hormat.

Kementerian saya menyambut baik chadangan2 dan tegoran2 daripada sa-siapa jua pun.

Saya baharu sahaja menjadi Menteri Kesihatan.

Saya sedar ada-nya banyak masaalah2 saperti kekurangan doktor2, hospital2, ubatan2, kelinik2 dan sa- bagai-nya.

Saya mengaku chuba me- nyelesaikan masaalah2 dengan dan sa-berapa chepat-nya.
nasihatkan: saya Sementara simpan-lah diri dalam kesihatan sa- bilang masa, supaya masaalah2 saya sebutkan tadi beransor berkurangan.

Terima kaseh.

dapat itu, ini The Minister of Commerce and Industry (Dr Lim Swee Aun): Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish to reply to certain points raised by the leader of the Pan- Malayan Islamic Party, the Honour able Member for Pasir Puteh.

In his speech, he said: "Kami (that is the P.M.I.P.)
pun perchaya bahawa Negara2 yang baharu munchul yang baharu Merdeka tidak dapat berdiri dengan tegap dan kukoh, kalau sa-kira-nya tidak mendapat pinjaman daripada luar Negeri bagi membangunkan Negara itu sendiri."

Sir, I fully agree that a country like independent country, ours, a newly must find foreign loans to assist us in our economic development.
All deve loping countries are short of capital and since the formation of the United Nations there has been several bodies trying to solve this situation of how to find sufficient capital to lend or to give these underdeveloped countries to help them develop economically.

As a result of these explorations, several advanced countries have given grants and loans and even the United Nations has sug gested the possibilities of compensa tory financing.
Be that as it may, these moves were still not up to the expecta tions of the underdeveloped countries 571 22 MAY 1964 572 and as a result of these demands by the underdeveloped countries, the United Nations is now holding a conference on Trade and Development in Geneva for the last two months.

Sir, and the World Bank the developed countries will consider loans, but all lenders must ensure that the country that borrows the money will be able to return the capital plus interest.
We in Malaya have borrowed from the World Bank for the building of hydro electric dams; we have also borrowed from foreign countries to build our piers.

But all these lenders must first satisfy themselves that we are credit worthy, to repay that we are able these loans and that our Government will guarantee the repayment of these loans.

Foreign loans will only therefore be given to the extent of the credit worthiness of a country.
Beyond that point loans will become risky and foreign countries will not be prepared to lend us any more.

the the Alliance Government In the economic development of our country is prepared to use external loans in the setting up of certain industries or infra structure to industries, which will assist industrial development pro in gramme of this country where private enterprise is not prepared to step in.
The best example I can give you, Sir, is the building of the hydro-electric dams where international loans have been borrowed by the statutory body, the Central Electricity Board, through a Government guarantee.

The Honourable Member for Pasir Puteh has suggested that we should finance all our industrial projects by foreign loans and in this way we can change the structure of our economy.

Sir, this will be very true if a country is able to get so much foreign loans to finance every factory that it builds.
Secondly, when a country does over- borrow, not only will the economic structure of the country be changed, so will its political structure, because we do know that as much as a person who is in the clutches of a moneylender finds intolerable, so will a developing nation find itself economically and politically controlled life miserable and the lending country when by the borrower is unable to honour its debts.
This form of economic subversion is not new and I am sure the Honourable Member for Pasir Puteh, who is no new-comer to this House, is fully alive to the existence of such practice in other parts of the world.

It is for this reason that the Alliance Government, fully realising that we must have foreign capital to assist us in our economic development, is encour aging foreign private enterprise to invest in joint ventures with local capital in our industrial development programme.
We have succeeded in attracting four teen or more different countries to invest in Malaysia.

This will ensure that no single foreign country will dominate the economy of our country.

Through joint venture, not all the pro fits will leave the country.

Through joint venture we are building up capital growth and it is wrong for the Honour able Member for Pasir Puteh to say that in this way the citizens of our country will only be the unskilled labourers of these factories.
far, the developed countries There is no denying that all newly independent countries are far in behind wealth, in technical know-how and in the standard of living.

Advanced coun tries have industrialised a century or more ago, but we are only just begin ning to industrialise.

Without capital, without technical know-how, how can advanced we compete with these to countries?

We have compete to the problem is survive.

This facing all newly independent countries.


International bodies like the United Nations, the World Bank, the General Agreement for Trade and Tariff and others are prepared to talk and talk and talk, but so far we have not been able to produce any effective legislation that can compel the advanced countries to ensure that the developing countries get a fair share of the world's benefits.

There is no effective legislation to pre vent the advanced countries from steadily rising.
Neither is there any legislation that can make the standard of living of deve loping countries rise.

All that is left for us in the underdeveloped countries is the standard of living of 573 22 MAY 1964 574 for each of us to strive for economic expansion, to strive for the raising of living standards through our own efforts and with whatever assistance we can receive from outside.

In through joint venture.

Sir, I do not intend to expound on whether a free or controlled economy is the better.
All I propose to say is that the Alliance Government stands for free enterprise and we believe that the fastest, surest and most beneficial method for the nation to industrialise this is way we not only get the capital needed for expansion, but we will gradually gain the technical know-how that we lack.

Because of the profit incentive, the factories set up by these joint ventures have to succeed.

Foreign capital invested in our country cannot afford to see that their capital will not be returned.
What is more important, through joint venture we shall jump from jet.

Because foreign entrepreneurs have invested their capital here and because of the profit incentive, they must com pete with the advanced countries for markets.

Through the judicious use of tariffs, we can ensure fair competition.

Through competition we can achieve and ensure high standards in the goods that are produced this country.
Through free enterprise and joint ven ture in industrialisation, the Alliance Government believes that we shall succeed in changing our agricultural economy economy.

Through this avenue we hope to be in a better position to compete with the advanced countries and at the same time to be able to raise the standard of living of all our peoples.

the bullock-cart a mixed into the to in inferred industry.
He The Honourable Member for Pasir Puteh next complained about the back wardness of the Malays in commerce the and that Government was doing nothing to narrow the economic gap between the Malays and the non-Malays.

This is absolutely wrong.

The Alliance Govern ment is fully aware that the Malay community as a whole has lagged be hind the other races in commerce and industry.
For this reason special pro the visions have been provided Constitution to empower Government in to promote greater Malay participation in commerce and industry.

To assist the Malays to find capital, the Government through RIDA has given out about $25 million in loans.

The Sharikat Kewangan Malaya Raya is an additional source of capital but like all loans they must be repaid.

There must be some form of security although quite a number of RIDA loans are given unsecured.
To assist the Malays to gain technical know-how, RIDA has been providing courses for Malay businessmen.

My Ministry is now running courses for Malay contractors.

The Ministry of Labour apprenticeship schemes.

The Government has given more scholarships to the Malays.

running is To assist involve the Malays themselves in certain businesses like the transport business, the Government has reserved quotas for them.

to These are the handicaps given to the industry.


in commerce and Malays One is almost tempted to compare the economic position of the Malay community and the non-Malay com munity with that of the underdeveloped and developed countries in the world.
As much as we believe that free enter prise and joint-venture is the best and surest way to succeed in the indus trialisation of our nation, we believe that joint-ventures of Malay and non- Malay capital will be the surest way of producing capital growth and techni cal know-how for the Malays in com merce and industry.
In furtherance of this aim, it is the policy of the Government to reserve a portion of the capital of pioneer com panies to Malays so that the Malays will then have a stake in the industrial development of the country.

The Malay individuals may not have the neces sary capital, but collectively, through the Sharikat Pemodalan Kebangsaan, the Malay community can meet the capital commitments.
that To ensure the Malays can acquire technical know-how, a portion of jobs in these factories are reserved for them so that they can participate in 575 22 MAY 1964 576 technical the offered by these factories.
training programmes I am glad that the Honourable Mem ber for Pasir Puteh in his speech quoted what the Prime Minister was reported to have said, viz: "Kami sudah menjadi bangsa yang merdeka dan berdaulat, sudah-lah sampai masa-nya bagi orang2 Melayu dalam Negeri ini menukar sikap daripada sikap merayu2 meminta per- tolongan kapada sikap perchaya kapada diri sendiri kapada kemajuan.
Kalau gulongan2 lain daripada warga negara negeri ini dapat maju dalam lapangan ekonomi, maka kenapa daripada gulongan orang2 Melayu sendiri tidak dapat maju dalam lapangan ekonomi?".

bekejar merebut dan Sir, I do hope that the Malays will heed this call for self-confidence, this call to strive to succeed.
The Malay community as a whole may be economically backward, but one must not overlook the fact that there are also hundreds of thousands of non-Malay individuals who are as poor as, or perhaps even poorer than, some of the Malays.

An economic sys tem where a small section or a small group are rich and the greater section are poor cannot, in this present world, be the tolerated.
You have heard Minister of Finance to say that it is the Alliance Government's policy to strive to narrow the gap between the "haves" and the "have-nots".

But the Govern ment alone cannot assure the economic progress of the individual "if", in the words of the Prime Minister, "there is no desire to change, but there must be the need for the individual to have self-confidence and the need to strive to succeed."

Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Speaker, Sir, on a point of clarification.

Mr Speaker: Do you give way?


Dr Lim Swee Aun: I have finished, Sir!

Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Speaker, Sir, in deference to the Honourable Minister, I did not interrupt him during his speech and I let him finish his speech before I would ask for elucida tion on a matter which he raised during his speech.

Mr Speaker: He has finished his speech already!


in The Assistant Minister of Justice (Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Ya'kub): Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Mem ber for Ipoh, who is not here this evening, has stated in this House that, as regards mining land in Perak, inves the alleged respect of tigations corruption have started but that the Attorney-General has directed or ins tructed that no name should be men tioned because "big shots" are involved.
Sir, I am informed by the Attorney- General that he has given no such instruction or direction to the Police or to any other person.

He has further assured me, and I am satisfied, that in the performance of his duties he has always adhered to a very strict policy or principle of impartiality uninfluenced by race, position, wealth or political affiliations.

The same Honourable Member also requested the Government to consider improving the schemes of service of judicial officers.
As regards judges, I would like to remind this House as to the Honourable what was said by Deputy Prime Minister in August last year when the Judges' Remuneration Bill was debated in this House.

He said as follows: "Now, Sir, in view of the different rates of salaries and allowances payable these Judges in the different parts of Malaysia, it will be necessary to review the rates of remuneration at an early date after Malaysia and the Government proposes to do this."
to Mr Speaker, Sir, the Government is looking into this matter and at the same time opportunity will be taken to consider the schemes of service of other judicial and also legal officers.

The Honourable Member for Ipoh also spoke on the topic of the revision of the laws: he said he hoped that the Committee which is doing the revision would also consider amendment to the laws, such as powers which are vested in the various judicial officers and also in the Attorney-General.
Sir, law revi sion is governed by the Revised Edition of the Laws Ordinance, 1959, and the powers of revision are vested not in a committee in the sense that we have five, six or seven persons sitting as Law in a Revision Commissioners, but the Commissioner appointed under the Yang di-Pertuan Ordinance by 577 22 MAY 1964 578 Agong.

There is, therefore, no com mittee of law revision.

The Commissioner's powers, which are wide and extensive, are described in section 5 of the said Ordinance.
They include the making of such adaptations or amendments in any law as may appear to be necessary or proper as a consequence of any change in the cons titution of the Federation or any part thereof or any part of the Common wealth.

However, the powers conferred by section 5 are subject to the provi sions of section 7, sub-section (1) of the same Ordinance.
This says: "The powers conferred on the Commis sioner by section 5 shall not be taken to to make any imply any power alteration or amendment in the substance of any law."

in him The reason for this, Mr Speaker, Sir, needs no elaborate explanation; only Parliament has the authority to make and amend laws.

As the Revised Edi tion of the Laws stands at present, the Commissioner has no power to make alteration or amendment in the sub stance of the laws.
Amendments to the powers vested in judicial officers and in the Attorney-General may or may not be amendments in the substance of the laws.

If the amendments are in the substance of the laws, then the only thing that the Commissioner can do is to follow the procedure laid down in sub-section (2) of section 7 of the said Ordinance.
This says: "In every case in which any such alterations or amendments are in the opinion of the Commissioner desirable in any law he shall draft an order setting forth such alterations or amendments, and such order shall, subject the Yang di-Pertuan to the sanction of Agong, be submitted for the approval of each House of Parliament, to be signified by resolution; and upon such approval being obtained the Commissioner shall thereupon be authorised to make the alterations or amendments specified in such order."
that Before I conclude on this subject, Mr the Honourable Speaker, Sir, since in his Member for Ipoh mentioned speech the present Attorney- General is a political figure, I would like to tell this House that the Attorney- General, the present one, is not a political appointee.

I do not know what the Honourable Member was trying to tell this House when he said that the Attorney-General is a political figure.
Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like to reply to a few points raised by the Honourable Member for Batu, who took great pains to describe himself as someone who is not a political virgin.

I think, Sir, the Honourable Member is entitled to receive a better honour than that he himself has claimed.
I think the epithet "political old maid" is more precise to describe the deep frustration of the Socialist those in Front, for when I heard him speak yesterday he reminded me, Sir, of the many frustrated old maids in England.
The Honourable Member for Batu has described five Alliance candidates who are sitting here—Enche' Ling Beng Siew, who is not there, Wan Abdul Rahman, Haji Su'ut and a few others and myself—as discredited politicians simply because we were defeated in the Local Council elections in Sarawak last year.

That description, Sir, coming as it did from a Member of the Kepala Lembu Party, is no surprise to us at all.
He also alleged in his speech that the Straits Times "was moved to protest over my appointment as Assistant Minister of Justice".

I do not remember having read any such protest at all, Mr Speaker, Sir.

But be that as it may, my five colleagues from Sarawak and I were first elected to this House in October last year by the Council Negri in Sarawak.
When Parliament was dis solved, Council Negeri had to re-elect Members to this House again and a meeting was held in April this year and all the six were re-elected.

This proves, Sir, that at least—because Sarawak still follows the "tier" system of elections— the majority of the elected people of Sarawak who sit in the Council Negri in Sarawak have confidence in us.
Of course it is understandable that this does not please the Socialist Front and its blood brother the S.U.P.P., whose Members are not present here this evening; they might have just left Kuala Lumpur and returned to Sibu and Kuching.

But this time it is very signifi the younger cant brother of the Socialist Front, has chosen to ask the Socialist Front to speak in this House about many things concerning Sarawak.
Sir, if we were discredited politicians simply because the S.U.P.P., that 579 22 MAY 1964 580 we were defeated in Local Council elections in Sarawak, then the comrade of the Honourable Member, the non- political virgin, or whatever he likes to call himself—I refer to the Honourable Member for Dato Kramat—is in a worse position, because, was he not defeated in Local Council elections in Penang?
And not only that, was he not defeated in Ayer Itam by our Alliance candidate, the Honourable Enche' Khor Sin Kheng on 25th April this year?

Yet we find him speak here—he was elected consti in a Parliamentary tuency—but we have not said that he is a discredited politician, because we are not so naive as the Honourable Member for Batu to suggest that.

We know the clear distinctions between Local Council elections, State Council elections and elections to this Honour able House.
The laws in Sarawak do not say that in order to be elected to this House one must win in a Local Council election.

The same Honourable Member also dealt with elections in Sarawak.

He quoted figures in an attempt—I think he failed miserably yesterday, very much to his annoyance—to mislead this House into believing that had Enche' Jumat, a member of the Binatang District Council, not been bought over—that was the expression used by him—by the Sarawak Alliance, then the S.U.P.P.
would have controlled Sarawak or, at least, the Third Division, which sends 11 members to Council Negri in Sarawak.

Sir, the total number of seats in the Third Division Divisional Advisory Council is 27.

Of these 10 belong to the Sarawak United Peoples' Party the Sarawak Alliance.

and 17 to Jumat had if Enche' Now, even supported the S.U.P.P.
the S.U.P.P., would thereby have gained control of only the Binatang District Council, and because the Binatang District Council sends only three representatives to the Third Divisional Advisory Council, the Sarawak Alliance would still have con trolled the Third Division, because 27 minus 13 gives the Alliance 14 and the S.U.P.P.

13—and the Sarawak Alliance would still win.

In other words, the Sarawak Alliance would still have to the Council Negri the Third elected 11 members from Division in Sarawak.
Therefore, there is no reason why the Sarawak Alliance, knowing that it was in a very strong position, should resort to buying over Enche' Jumat.

in the In fact, Sir, what did happen was that although Enche' Jumat stood as an local independent candidate council election, he, right from the beginning, supported Malaysia.

He sup the Alliance, but because of ported some disagreement over the question of the choice of candidates, he chose to stand as an independent candidate.
Therefore, until right to the very last minute, there is no question of his going over the Honourable Member for Batu implied when he said that the Alliance feared that he might do so and bought him over.

the S.U.P.P., as to that The Honourable Member for Dato Kramat said the this morning Sarawak Alliance secured only about 49 per cent of the votes and that the S.U.P.P.

gained about 25 per cent.

He was, if I am correct, speaking on the question of Malaysia.
But, Sir, the Honourable Member for Dato Kramat has deliberately omitted to mention in this House the votes gained by the pro-Malaysia PANAS, which now sends two representatives to this House, and also the pro-Malaysia independent can didate.

I would not like to waste the time of this House and would merely refer him to pages 53, 54, 55, 56 and 57 of the United Nations Malaysia Mission Report on this question.
Finally, Sir, allow me to entertain this House a little bit with a Socialist Front's song sung by many Socialist Front supporters in Selangor, especially Kuala Langat, to woo voters.

This song reads something like this: "Pok amai2, belalang kupu2, Keluar Lembu" beramai2, undi Kepala To this on the 25th April the people of Malaya the Socialist Front: replied to "Pok amai2, belalang kupu2, Keluar beramai2, tanam Kepala (Applause).

Lembu!

22 MAY 1964 582 581 Thank you.


The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not propose to take very much of the time of the House, as after all there is not very much time left.

But one thing which I would like to say is that the time allowed for debate on the King's Speech has been short.

It is obvious to all that this House with the increased number of Honourable Mem bers will require more time in order to debate the King's Speech.

This is an experience and we hope to do better next time.
Many of the points raised in the House by the many Honourable Mem bers have been dealt with by my colleagues, but there are points which I feel that it is my duty to reply to, and in respect of matters in my own portfolio.

They are the elections and matters affecting Malaysia, with emphasis on the Indo nesian confrontation.

these are points I feel With regard to elections, allegations have been made, and that Honourable Members will, perhaps, excuse me if I do not mention them by name when replying.
This is because I have to be brief in my reply, but I think Honourable Members can identify from my reply that my reply refers to the points raised by them.

According to one Honourable Member, there were thousands of eligible voters turned away from voting.
This appeared to be quite true, but the fault, according to the report I received from the Election Commission, is not due to the Election Commission, or any in elections, but rather due to our own fault in that we had not checked the registers earlier, and that we had neglected to warn the voters to inspect the registers to see whether their names had been entered or not.

I, myself, had occasion to tell my own Party off for this neglect of duty.
But now that the elections had been held, there is nothing much that we can do except to learn from experience that next time one of the things we have got to do is to inspect the registers.

irregularity According to the reply I received from the Chairman of the Election Commission, to whom I addressed my that it was opened question, he said that the electoral rolls were opened in September and October, for 1963, and inspection too during December, 1963 and January, 1964.
This was the time when all political parties, according to him, should have taken the trouble to see and check for themselves whether the names of the voters were on the registers or not—and according to him the inspection of registers was extended beyond this month for the benefit of the voters themselves.
Now, having had this inspection open to all, and people did not take advantage of this, it is, according the Election Commission, not the Commis sion's fault that the names of voters had not been entered on the registers.

the Chairman of to in that took part the case with Then, again, as far as the elections were concerned, according to the Chair man of the Election Commission, they went off smoothly and in accordance with democratic practice.
For myself, I would say that it was not just one party alone which had suffered, be cause of this error or irregularity, but every party the elections had suffered and it is we ourselves who are to be blamed.

It is wrong to suggest, as the Honourable Member has insinuated, I think, that the Alliance has won the elections purely through the shortcomings in the election machinery.
Some of the parties which had lost the elections have taken their defeat rather very badly, and this is the Honourable Member who has brought this matter up.

He also suggested that the Alliance had intimidated the people into voting for us.

According to him, if they voted for us, their sons would be exempted from the call-up for national service, but on the other hand, if they voted for they would be called-up—this is utter nonsense, and I may say it is unparliamentary language to use.
Nevertheless, I think it is wrong for him to suggest anything like that, because you will remember that the election result itself rests on the fact the Alliance were returned to power, the call-up would be effective and the people would be called upon to defend their country.

these That issue on which the Opposition, that that the is if 583 22 MAY 1964 584 if for this that defend feeding country.

they voted and the Opposition, on elections were fought.
It was obvious to all the Alliance, they would have to stand It up was the other hand, who went round and said that if they won the people would not be called upon for national service.

In fact, issued the Socialist Front had cartoons and other pamphlets showing the Honourable Prime Minister of Singapore and myself the young men as cannon fodders and various other things, which suggests in itself that if you vote for the Alliance you will, in fact, be called upon to fight for is no mistake in that.
The people's answer is to fight and defend this country with our lives.

The whole truth the Honourable Member for Ipoh and his brother and run, have the Party, which suffered the worst defeat probably in their lives, and I don't think they have been able to get over it.

Instead of crying they have gone out to utter all sorts of nonsense against the Party that won.

this country.
this country.

There that we are ready their own room, is that inside they Sir, another matter which I would like to point out to the Honourable Member is the question of Ministers, which he raised.

Before I come to that, I would like to answer the specific points which he raised in connection with the elections to which answers the Election have been given by Commission.

For instance, he said in his speech that some clerks by an oversight had not struck off some of the names from the electoral roll.
the white list of There are three lists: (a) the white list, (b) the yellow list and (c) the green list.

Under the existing law, the electoral rolls are certified these three lists.
List (a) that is the white list, being the merged electoral roll of the previous years; List (ft), the yellow list, being the list of new electors; List (c) being the list of persons who have died or are no longer qualified and their names appearing (a) will have been deleted in the offices of the Supervisor of Elections before the rolls are supplied to presiding officers.

These are the three lists.


According to in List in to re-check the Chairman, instructions were issued by the State Supervisor of Elections to the returning officers deletions already made in the rolls in the offices of the Supervisor of Elec tions.

If, therefore, there are specific cases where these deletions had not been made which gave non-electors eligibility to vote, then the matters can be brought the election petition.
According to the Election Commission, some allowances should be given for some slight errors which might have occurred in making this deletion, as the Election Commission had to prepare all the electoral rolls for the country in a very great hurry.
in it to On point two—this suggests the Chairman of that polling agents were refused permission to seal ballot boxes at polling stations and that they were refused permission the to accompany ballot boxes is doubtful, ac counting houses—it the cording to Election Commission, whether is really true that any polling agent had been refused permission to seal ballot boxes at polling stations.
The Election issued very clear Commission has instructions poll before that commences the ballot boxes should be shown empty to any polling agents as then be closed, attend and should locked and sealed by the presiding officer and any polling agents as attend may also fix their seal.

This is on point two.

the The other point which he raised I don't think I need mention here.

But according to him, two boxes had been taken by different routes.
According to the Election Commission this is subject to enquiry.

Perhaps the election agent might have taken a different route in order to pick up someone, but that should not affect the number of vote there.

the voting or There is another point, I remember, which he raised and that is to the effect that in some boxes there were more ballot papers than are the voters themselves.
This is due to the fact that some of the ignorant voters had put in the votes which they intended to cast for the wrong the Federal boxes.

All boxes—into the State into 585 22 MAY 1964 586 these and other points which he raised are being attended to.

Then as he has suggested, he taking an election petition to court—that will be dealt with by the right authority when it comes to court.

is to that take in court.


He knows Regarding another matter—he sug gested there has been corrupt practices at elections—I do not know what form they took, in what shape they appeared.

If there is clear evidence of any corrupt practices, it is for the this Honourable Member matter up the procedure and we expect him to bring it up.

But he is well aware that there is a case pending in Penang where a member of a certain party had offered $5 to a voter to vote for that party.
That matter is in court and I do not need this to dwell any further on matter.

In fact, where there have been corrupt practices and attention is brought to it, action will be taken as soon as we can.

It is no use for the Honourable Member to just come here and make charges.

If he knew the fact, it was his duty to make a report, so that action could have been taken as quickly as possible.
In fact, if there has been any irregularity or error in the elections, it is the party which put up the largest number of candidates which would suffer the most—and that is our own Party.

The Honourable Member is aware that we have got no control over the Election Commission Supervisors or all those connected with the elections, because the Election Commission is an independent Com mission and nobody, in fact, is allowed to check, correct, or to pass any vote of censure on the Election Commission.
I, as the Minister responsible for the portfolio, am only responsible for their payment but not for their supervision, and I have no control whatsoever over their work.

Therefore, as I have said, every party, every candidate, has suffered and suffered alike, but if there is anything we can do to put it right, let us all contribute our share towards it.

I Now, the question come of qualifications the Assistant Ministers, which the same Honourable Member spoke on.
He has asked what to of the that to hold are the qualifications of the Assistant Minister.

To that I say that it is none of his business.

(Applause).

The right to appoint a Minister or an Assistant Minister is my privilege as the Leader of my Party.

For that matter, whether a person is a gardener or he is not qualified academically that appointment, it is my business to see to it.
If he will look into the past the history of the rise to power of first find Soviet, he will Cabinet they had, or some executive power which they held, were held by people who were not, as he would have qualified.

it, can the Honourable Assistant say Minister whom we have appointed as the Assistant Minister of Education is well qualified job (Applause) and I can say that we pick a person because of his spirit, his dedication and his the country and to the Party.
It is my business to see that he does his work, and if he does not do the work it is my business also to see that he does, and not the Honourable Member for Ipoh.
academically that to hold loyalty that to I The Honourable Member for Batu also talked about confrontation by Indonesia and, I think, he suggested— whether he said it or not I was not quite clear but I only received a note—that we are responsible for this confrontation and that, in fact, the idea of merger with the States of Sabah, Sarawak and Singapore is to serve the British interests.
Well, I need not do anything more than to suggest to the to the Honourable Member to refer the Solidarity Committee Report, Report of the Codbold Commission and, lastly, the Report of the United Nations Secretary-General.
From there that he will see and satisfy himself in Malaysia was formed absolutely the desire and accordance with the wishes of the people of Singapore, Sabah and Borneo, and where a country or a State indicated that it did not wish to join us, we left it out as we had done in the case of Brunei.

We have not forced anybody against their own will to join us.

The situation at this moment is that confrontation has broken out and we 587 22 MAY 1964 588 is to as far inform it.
Naturally, their uprising, broke are prepared to meet it as best as we this like could.

I would House that as far as Soekarno and myself are concerned, we have no quarrel.

Wherever we have met so far, we have met on terms of friendship.

Indonesian people are As concerned, we have had no quarrel either.

The only quarrel that we have has been with the communists.
It is clear to all that the cause of the con frontation, if you like to go into it very exhaustively, is that there is one evil force behind the com it—that munists; and I must say that they have cause to complain.
They have cause to be annoyed with us, because we are one of the very few countries which and met crushed the pain very badly and could not forget it, because they have raised their ugly heads in other countries and they have than been allowed survive, they have been allowed to flourish—but in our case they have not been able to do so, and they have felt it very badly.
However, unfortunately, I am sorry to say, they have penetrated some of the parties here and have used some of our politicians to air their views and to speak their minds and sing their song.

This is the song we have heard sung time and time again.

Again, they were annoyed with me, perhaps, because when I was in India, I was one of the first to oppose the communist aggression in India— and that I think has been a trouble right from the start of the quarrel with Indonesia.
to survive—more they feel it think, Further, I it was also is not Indonesia the communists, who suggested that by forming Malaysia we are forming a barricade against communist infiltra tion into areas of the States of Sabah and Borneo.

It in actual fact, because there is no question of trying to encircle, as suggested by Soekarno, one hundred million by ten million people.
But what we have done, I admit, is that by freeing these people in these States we have stopped the communists from making any inroad into these States, which they had in their minds of taking control.
It was the communists again, I must say, who objected to our alliance with Britain, under which Agreement, Britain has got to establish bases in Singapore, in Malacca and in one or two other places within Malaysia and that in itself has been set up in order to stop the communists from making any attack on this territory of ours.
They have found to their dismay that it will be difficult this country with the British and our allies here—and, they, in actual fact objected to the setting up of these bases in this country.
to overrun therefore, in to tell think I can the morning than we found ourselves Now, as it has been pointed to the he Honourable Member—I realises it himself as well as we do— that if the British were to close down the bases and they were to move out, before we knew where we are, we find wake up ourselves being surrounded by Soe- karno's men; and the Honourable Member that if Soekarno does take control of this country and run this country, we will find ourselves worse in during the Japanese time.
After all, the Japanese at least had done so much for their country, had been able to feed their people and had been able to put their people on the footing of European countries in the way of industrialisation and other things.

But the Indonesians have been able to give their people nothing at all: they have been giving them empty words and empty stomach all these years that they have run their country.
And God help us if people like Soekarno and his hordes were to come to our country and run our country—I hope God will never allow it, and I am sure the Honourable Member will not like it.

On the question of Maphilindo, as suggested by him, it was formed to serve the Alliance Party's purpose, it was done, I think, as a ruse to give Indonesia dominance over this country.
The last thing which we would like to see, as I said just now, is Indonesia running this country and to suggest that we by forming Maphilindo wanted is not quite correct.

Indonesia here to Our present stand with regard is a clear Indonesia's confrontation 589 22 MAY 1964 590 the Members of indication of our feeling—we meant to fight it out with them if that needs be.
I can inform this House that Mr Lopez had just seen me and had a meeting with the Cabinet just now; and he has conveyed our terms to President Soekarno.

I am happy to say that most of the terms have been accepted (Applause) except one or two which, in effect, means that we might not have war with Indonesia for the next couple of days.

(Laughter) However, it is my hope that when we meet, and if we do meet, that the Honourable President will do all he can to honour the terms of agreement.
In the past he had not seen fit to do it, and I hope God has changed his mind and has given him a change of heart.

With that I hope we will manage to see peace not for a couple of days, as I said just now, but perhaps for a couple of months or a couple of years.

That will give us a breathing space to carry on with our rural development in this country.
that time to go into all There is one other thing which, I think, I must mention, although I have hardly these, because my colleagues have to reply to the points raised by Honourable Members.

In respect of Thailand, he said it is not quite a happy choice, according to a report I have received here, the to appoint Thailand as country to supervise the withdrawal of army from our country.
I personally feel the appointment of our neighbour Thailand strikes a happy medium, because they have been close neighbours of ours: they have always associated in this region of Asia and have shown a real sincere desire to see a settlement of this trouble between Indonesia and ourselves.
Therefore, it is right that we should bring them into the picture, and it is one of the suggestions made to President Soekarno that when we do have a meeting wherever it may be—President Soekarno, of course, prefers Tokyo for some reason of his which I can't tell you (Laughter)— Thailand will also be present at this meeting as a party, who will verify the withdrawal, in order to satisfy the parties concerned that we are ready themselves with peace for the Summit Talk—without with drawal there can be no Summit Talk.
Then the other matter, I think, is the question of the release of political detainees.

I would not like to say any thing on that, because my colleague will reply on that, but one thing I do say is that if these people are released, then we will get trouble galore in this country.

in The Honourable Member for Ipoh brought up again the question of equal rights for all.

I do not know what he means.

Perhaps, he understands it better than I do, but this is a matter which he has brought up from time to time.
What this Government has been trying to do and what my colleagues have been trying to do have been to strike a balance between the "haves" and the "have-nots"; and as it is clear to all that the Malay people are the "have-nots", I do not think anybody will begrudge our effort to help the Malay people by carrying out rural out development—and rural development, it is not only the Malay people but others who live in the rural areas equally benefit from it.
Then, there is another matter which he has harped on from time to time— multi-lingualism.

There is not a person here, I say who cannot speak Malay in this country, unless it is through sheer their part, or through sheer disloyalty to this country.
Everyone, as we know, speaks Malay and it is easy for us to use Malay as the national language in this country, and that is accepted by all, and I think it does not take anybody long to learn the language, because we know that all have some sort of knowledge of it.

ignorance on carrying Another matter raised by him and which has been brought to my attention is about certain corruption in certain land scheme in Perak.
I can assure him that I will see that an is instituted, and it will be Government's duty to find out the real cause of it, or the truth of it.

Further, there is another question raised, I think, by somebody about to one voluntary service.

According Honourable Member, he said that we inquiry 591 22 MAY 1964 592 is depicted this country, because should not compel anybody to serve this country but to ask them to give voluntary service for the defence of this country.
As I said, if you study this cartoon, which I the effect of mentioned just now, it is obviously clear to you that the Socialist Front and those Parties linked up with the Socialist Front, had never intended to serve that cartoon the Honourable Prime Minister of Singapore and my self as driving forward, with chains tied to their back, tied to the cannons, with whip in hand, lashing at them to go forward, with the me and sword and the flag of Alliance pushing them.
It is obvious from that cartoon that if we ask them to give voluntary service, this country will just be dominated by Indonesia at no time, because there is not going to be any fighting at all.

the people in else somebody think a Member talked of Then, marriage—I from Sarawak.

He said that this Malaysia is just a marriage, that it is a harem and all that sort of rubbish.

In actual fact, we are members of one family.

It is not a question of marriage, it is a question of being members of one family.
to marriage because he has in mind that as a marriage can be broken up, so can Malaysia be broken up.

But I and the people of Borneo think Sarawak know better, and they can answer for themselves.

Perhaps, referred he I think there is no more that I need reply except, perhaps, to the Honour able Member for Pasir Puteh.

Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pasir telah menudoh bahawa kita Puteh telah mengitirafkan Israel, kita ber- kawan dan bersahabat baik dengan Israel.
Barangkali Yang Berhormat itu salah faham-kah atau ada tujuan yang lain, saya tidak tahu-lah, tetapi bagi menjawab soal yang telah di-keluar- itu, saya suka sebutkan di-sini kan kita mengitirafkan Israel sa-bagaimana kita itirafkan negeri?

kominis yang tidak bersahabat dengan kita dan negeri2 itu ada jadi ahli dalam United Nations.
Jadi bukan-lah berma'ana Israel bahawa dengan mengitirafkan kita berkawan dan bersahabat dengan Israel, kerana bagaimana beliau telah sebutkan di-dalam uchapan-nya masa ada permainan di-Indonesia, Israel telah di-tolak keluar, bagitu juga kita pun tolak Israel keluar, bahkan kita yang mula2 tolak Israel keluar itu.
Barangkali Yang Berhormat itu tidak sedar bahawa di-dalam segala ke- susahan yang telah berbangkit di- negeri Islam, Kerajaan kita-lah yang memberi pertolongan yang besar, baik berkenaan dengan refugee di-Palestine atau hal kesusahan yang berbangkit dan yang Islam di- menimpa kapada negeri lain2, yang Afrika memberi bantuan dan derma yang besar.
Tujuan hendak kita berseteru dengan rakan kita yang Is lam bahkan sa-bagai sa-ugama, maka tertanggong-lah kapada kita berbaik2 dan berapat2 dengan saudara kita yang berkenaan sa-ugama.

dengan tudohan-nya yang mengatakan kita buat baik dengan Israel itu sama sa-kali tidak berasas.

berkenaan kita-lah dengan tidak Jadi, pun dan tujuan Bagitu-lah luas.
Tetapi juga bagaimana yang di-tudoh oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu tentang ranchangan melawat sambil belajar, konon-nya, semua pergi makan angin; bukan makan angin sahaja, makan angin memang keluar negeri naik kereta orang kata makan angin.

Makan angin perkataan Melayu, ma'- kita ana-nya hendak memberi orang kita keluar negeri belajar, sambil makan jadi angin sambil belajar.
Dengan pela- jaran yang mereka dapat kerana lain dapat-lah buka melawat negeri akal dan Jadi dengan kerana kita berperasaan orang2 Parti PAS hendak sangat buka akal dan fikiran, kita tidak tutup kapada orang2 PAS, bahkan saya selalu kata bawa orang2 PAS keluar negeri sa-berapa yang boleh, jadi mereka selalu di-bawa keluar apa yang menyusahkan Parti PAS ia-lah banyak yang sudah keluar negeri itu sudah (Tepok).

pun masok UMNO (Ketawa) Apabila mereka balek jadi orang UMNO.

Apa dia boleh buat.
Apa dia boleh buat.

Kalau hendak beri orang PAS pergi sama dengan orang PAS tidak kena- lah, kita kena-lah champor sa-bagai (Tepok).

Tetapi fikiran-nya.

semua 593 22 MAY 1964 594 tolak, satu bangsa Malaysia, bukan sa-bagai PAS.

Siapa kenal PAS luar daripada Tanah Melayu?

(Ketawa).

Jadi kalau ada orang PAS memasokkan nama- nya kita tolong-lah beritahu kapada saya; Insha Allah saya akan betulkan.
Kita tujuan hendak menolak orang PAS, orang Socialist Front sa-siapa pun atau daripada bersama2 berjalan makan sambil belajar.

Maka angin dan sa-takat itu-lah sahaja saya sebutkan (Tepok).

tidak ada betul.

Temenggong Jugah Anak Barieng (Minister for Sarawak Affairs): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak men- jawab di-atas perchakapan sahabat saya sa-malam.

Saya patut menjawab sebab saya ada-lah Chairman Alliance Party.

Kata sahabat saya dari Batu, Alliance Sarawak membeli undi orang Iban.
Saya mahu bertanya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, jam berapa Alliance mem beli Iban di-Sungai Binatang, berapa haribulan, berapa ringgit $3.00, $30,000 atau $3,000.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa- lama meeting yang dahulu, saya tengok saudara itu tidak ada di-sini barang- kali sudah 7 bulan, apa fasal seka- rang baharu perkara itu timbul.

Patut- nya tuan jangan lambat memberitahu kalau ada party Alliance membeli Iban.

Tetapi barangkali S.U.P.P.

membeli Iban tidak Saya susah Alliance membeli Iban sebab saya pun Iban.
Yang paling kuat parti dalam Sarawak parti Pusaka Anak Sarawak.

Sa-saorang yang menjalan- kan parti tidak ada duit sendiri dengan tulang urat sendiri berchakap dengan kawan2 orang Iban tetapi saya fikir tuan salah faham, siapa bilang Stephen Yong atau Ong Kee Hui atau Khoo Peng Loong, beri-lah ini supaya saya tahu.
Kalau betul terang tuan dengar atau lihat atau tuan sen diri ada pergi ka-Binatang atau pergi ka-Sibu berjumpa dengan Jumat, saya mahu tanya tuan apa macham badan Jumat, besar chuba-lah beri kapada saya tetapi barangkali tuan tidak nam- pak Jumat hanya nama sahaja.

Saya patut menerangkan siapa beritahu ka pada tuan parti S.U.P.P.

ia-lah kawan Kepala Lembu.

Kalau parti S.U.P.P., beritahu saya supaya saya tahu.

Sebab saya Chairman Alliance jawapan fikir dia Sarawak saya tahu.
Tetapi kalau tuan mahu bilang bagitu yang susah-lah barang yang sudah lama di-katakan; tuan berchakap panjang lebar dua tiga jam kata orang Melayu, omong2 (Tepok).

kosong sahaja Tetapi saya fikir tuan banyak kerja, saya tahu tuan sa-orang doktor tetapi saya tidak tahu doktor—sekolah tidak tahu, tetapi kalau doktor ubat jangan- tuan buat dua kerja, bagus-lah lah tuan buat satu kerja sahaja sebab tuan boleh menyelamatkan manusia di- dunia ini.

Kalau tuan sa-orang doktor ubat patut jangan masok politik.
tuan salah dengar, orang Barangkali beli Iban, atau orang mahu beli ubat- kah ini tidak terang.

Bagi doktor saya fikir bagus-lah tolong orang Sarawak, saya tahu di-Sarawak tidak ada banyak doktor.

Kalau orang Indonesia tembak orang Sarawak, bagi-lah ubat kapada mereka.

Saya fikir saudara saya ini banyak yang menyokong Soekarno— tidak ada yang menyokong Malaysia.

Tetapi lain kali jangan-lah berchakap bagitu sahabat (Ketawa).
Kalau betul dia beli chuba-lah beritahu kapada Jugah, apa2 hal pun Alliance Sarawak saya tahu.

Jangan-lah kawan ikut parti S.U.P.P.—kaki tangan S.U.P.P.

mereka ini banyak komunis, jangan champor dengan komunis.

Saya bersetuju benar dengan kata Perdana Menteri kita, kalau menyokong komunis tidak pun dia masok komunis dia maseh ber- fikiran komunis.

Saya fikir ta' usah saya berchakap panjang kerana banyak kawan2 saya hendak berchakap tetapi saya hendak memuaskan hati tuan.
tengok Tuan baharu kelmarin saya tetapi dahulu tidak ada.

Kalau dapat jawab-lah perkara itu di-hadapan saya supaya tahu.

Jangan-lah kata saya ada membeli Iban.

Saya telah terangkan tadi Jumat ia-lah Iban kalau dia mahu mengikut komunis tidak ada lain jalan.

Tuan punya chakap macham tong tidak ada ayer—tong kosong, terima kaseh (Tepok).
The Minister of Home Affairs and Justice (Dato' Dr Ismail bin Dato' Haji Abdul Rahman): Mr Speaker, Sir, the election is over, a new House is convened, and a new Speaker has been elected.

If ever any Member of the House should complain that the 595 22 MAY 1964 596 Speaker is biased towards the Govern ment, the decision today will prove otherwise for the half an hour reserved for the Government has been given to others.
Sir, when we began this House, we thought at least that we would start with a clean slate.

I, at least, had hoped that issues which were discussed at great length—sometimes with great heat in the last Parliament—and also had formed part of the platform of the various political parties in the elec tions, would not have been brought back to this new House.

But human nature is such, Sir, that some people, whilst professing to know the practice of parliamentary democracy, chose to bring this House.
these old issues back to The Honourable Member for Ipoh's favourite theme in the last House had always been the accusation that Mem bers of the Alliance Government had been corrupt, and that during the time the Government was in power, corrup tion, as he would like to put, was rife in the country.

In this present House, he has again made the same allegation.
I have no doubt that the Honourable Member for Ipoh had used this issue of corruption very extensively during the elections in Perak, because he con fided to me that it was his utmost desire that his Party should form the Government of Perak.

Now, Sir, if corruption had been as rife as he had alleged, surely the electorate in Perak would not have returned, once again, the Alliance into power?

We, on the Government side, Sir, do admit that there is corruption.
For that matter, I would like the Honourable Member for Ipoh to point out to me which country can boast that there is no corruption at all.

But having admitted that there is corruption, we categorically deny that corruption is rife in the country, and that it has seeped to the various levels of society in this country.

In the Gracious Speech, or at least in the Appendix to the Gracious Speech, it is mentioned, it is admitted, that there is corruption in the country, but it has not grown.
It has remained static, and the Anti-corruption statistics Agency has proved this fact and we, from on the Government side, are trying our level best and in fact we are now reviewing the methods of fighting this corruption.

these Sir, the Honourable Member, who spoke for the S.U.P.P.

bitterly com plained and deplored the Government's action in closing down a branch and sub-branch of the Sarawak United Peoples' Party on the ground that these S.U.P.P.

branches were being used for subversive activities.
He claimed this action to be a move to intimidate the supporters of the S.U.P.P.

as well as to destroy the Party.

He saw no cred ible evidence whatsover to justify the closing of two branches.

He appealed to the Government to review the matter in order not to undermine the people's confidence in the Govern ment and to alienate ill-feelings in this vital hour.

Sir, he made a plea, but he never substantiated his plea by facts.

Now, I am going to reply to him by producing facts to this House.
I would like to read, although this is marked secret, but I think there should be no secret to this House, I would like to acquaint this House on incidents in Sarawak, that occured in Lundu this led which S.U.P.P.

Branch.
Branch.

the closure of to Sir, during the months January to March, 1964, two platoons of Indo nesian border terrorists attempted to establish bases in the Lundu area from which they intended to terrorise the local population, and into which it was intended that other Indonesian border terrorists units would move prior to attacks on the security forces in the area, which would then be liberated.
This plan was thwarted by security forces action in which lives were lost it on both sides and during which became evident, both from captured documents and from statements re corded from persons arrested, that the Lundu Branch of the S.U.P.P., under the direction of its secretary, Lau Kah Heong, had been responsible for the provision of food and materials to the Indonesian border terrorists.
Lau had received prior notice of the arrival of the Indonesian border terrorist units and had used the organisation of the to prepare Lundu S.U.P.P.

Branch 597 22 MAY 1964 598 an them.

On March 29, assistance for 1964, an armed and uniformed Indo nesian border terrorist was shot and killed by security forces in the Lundu area.

He was identified as Zaiton bin formerly Ahmad, in Lundu, who had been resident elected vice-chairman of the Lundu Branch of S.U.P.P.
on its registration in November, 1960 and who at the time of his death still held that office, although he had not lived in Lundu since 1962.

Indonesian, to say Now, Sir, I would like to read the names of the S.U.P.P.

members who were arrested.

The member, who spoke on behalf of the S.U.P.P., said that it was a false accusation that members arrested were members of the S.U.P.P.
Sir, I would like to make it clear to the House that there were a large number of people arrested and that not all who were arrested were S.U.P.P.

members; but these are the names of the S.U.P.P.

members who had been arrested in connection with this Lundu incident, and I would like to read to the House the admission of they were these members when interrogated by the Police.

food 1.

Nain anak Kassim, member of S.U.P.P.

He admitted to to have supplied Indonesian border terrorists on two occasions.
He stated that on 28th January, 1964, he met the branch secretary, Lau Kah Heong in Lundu.

Lau said that a party of Indonesian volunteers would be arriving at Temaga on or about 29th January.

Lau gave Nain $30 and instructed him to purchase food for them.

On 29th January and 31st January he gave food to three Indonesian border terrorists he met at Temaga.

The food had been purchased from the shop of one Onn Pak Chai.

2.
2.

Onn Pak Chai, another prisoner, shop keeper and member of S.U.P.P., Lundu, admitted that he had twice supplied food to the Indonesian border in early February, 1964. terrorists on border terrorists 3.

Chai Mee Too, member of S.U.P.P., to Lundu, admitted having supplied food Indonesian 22nd February, 1964.
On 23rd February he gave a large tin of biscuits and some rice to the Indonesian border terrorists, and on these occasions another member of the S.U.P.P., Ee Thye Chin, was present and also handed over biscuits and rice.

On 24th April, 1964, in the Kuching High Court he was convicted of consorting with Indonesian border terrorists and sentenced to 21 months imprisonment.

I will not take the time of the House the admissions or by reading all from statements of these captured S.U.P.P.

saboteurs.
saboteurs.

Sir, on the strength of all this, can we accept the allegation of the Honourable Member the S.U.P.P.

that the Government in arrest ing these traitors on the ground that we are trying to intimidate the S.U.P.P.

as a political body?

Sir, we, and I personally, strongly believe in demo cracy.

In fact, I have gone so far as to the Socialist to offer my advice Front in the last House.
I said that I would like the Socialist Front to be a real Opposition Party in the House and for that reason I offered my help.

I said, "Help me to clean your Party of all these these communists and traitors".

Now, my advice was taken as a threat.

The result of the last election has shown what a pity it was that the Socialist Front had neglected to accept my advice.

Sir, it may not be too late for the S.U.P.P.


to accept my advice and I extend again my advice, "Co-operate with the Government and we will make you into a real democratic political party.

But if you, the members of the S.U.P.P.

should choose to associate with the enemies of the country, then you must expect no mercy from this Government."

(Applause).

Dr Lim Chong Eu: Sir, on a point of clarification.


to allocate Dato' Dr Ismail: Sir, I have at the that you outset of my speech said have been generous the time of Ministers to other Members.

So, I am not trying to be recalcitrant, than selfish, but I have only twenty minutes the to observations of the Honourable Mem bers.

So, if the Honourable Members will forgive me, I will continue with my reply.
less to reply Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-dalam masa perbahathan berlaku di-dalam Parlimen ini, saya ada-lah banyak masa dudok dalam bilek saya dalam Rumah Parlimen ini, dan saya men- dengar perbahathan berlaku ia-lah dengan saloran broadcast, Jadi bila saya dengar satu suara yang melaong2 dalam Dewan ini, dan saya ia-itu dengar pula dia mengatakan Gestapo Chief ada dalam Rumah ini, yang 599 22 MAY 1964 600 saya pun terperanjat, sebab apa, bila hari kita membuka Parlimen ini, Tuan Speaker sendiri telah menengok ia-itu sa-orang telah berdiri di-depan Speaker yang bukan Ahli meshuarat ini.
Jadi, saya pun panggil Inspector tanya dengan dia, sementara menunggu Inspector saya dapati rupa-nya ia-itu ia-lah uchapan daripada Ahli dari Pasir Mas Hulu.

Nyaris2 saya fikir katakan orang yang gila isim telah masok dalam Rumah ini.

(Ketawa).

Rupa2-nya Ahli yang baharu.

(Ketawa).

itu datang, yang baharu Jadi, Ahli yang baharu ini, Ahli dari Pasir Mas Hulu ini ada membuat banyak2 tudohan.
Kita tahu-lah, ma'- alum-lah Ahli ini memang-lah orang baharu, kadang2 hendak menunjokkan kemegahan dia, kechergasan dia, kepandaian dia ber- tudohan2 uchap, kadang2 membuat yang melampau2, saya sa-bagai Menteri Keselamatan Dalam jawab Negeri, tidak tudohan menyampurnakan kewajipan saya.

saya tentu-lah jikalau ini, tidak saya tetapi bagi report sa-orang kapada polis, polis tidak membuat apa2 tindakan.

sa- Polis berkata, macham ini tidak ada di-buat.


Saya perchaya juga penapian daripada polis ini, kerana saya kenal Wan Mustapha tentu-lah dia lawyer, ini mahir dalam hal ehwal law, dan jikalau dia betul2 mendapati yang perkara ini benar2 berlaku, tentu-lah dia tahu sa-orang mengambil apa2 chara supaya meng- atasii perkara yang tersebut itu.

sa-bagai lawyer Satu lagi kata dia bila peti2 undi ini di-bawa dengan escort oleh polis kapada tempat menghitong-nya, ahli2 P.M.I.P.
tidak di-beri bersama2 mem- bawa peti2 undi itu.

Ini sa-bagimana yang di-katakan oleh Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri itu, perkara ini boleh jadi, jadi, atau ta' jadi, tetapi sa-bagai election agents, itu ada-lah kewajipan2 dia yang telah terchatit Pilehan jikalau dia di-tegah daripada Raya, membuat di-tentukan yang kapada dia, tentu-lah dia boleh meng ambil tindakan.
dalam Undang2 kerja2 itu ini dia yang kapada Inspector Ahli Yang Berhormat itu, kata dia yang pertama ia-itu di-dalam pilehan raya di-Bachok, Kelantan sana, sa- bernama orang Inspector Nizam Mohamed telah berat sa-belah dalam menjalankan kewajipan dia dan sentiasa menangkap ahli2 daripada PAS dan bila orang telah tahanan, orang ini dalam telah di-gertak supaya di-pukul dan dia mengundi Perikatan.

Polis berkata, keadaan sa-macham itu tidak berlaku.
Jadi, kalau keadaan berlaku, mengikut sa-macham undang2 negeri ini, tidak sa-orang pun boleh mengugut sa-saorang itu pergi mengundi sa-bagai sa-orang pengundi.

Jikalau Ahli dari Pasir Mas Hulu itu, jikalau barangkali dahulu dia belum menjadi Ahli meshuarat Parlimen ini kurang sadikit jadi sekarang telah menjadi Yang Berhor mat, tentu tahu undangan, bawa-lah yang ini aduan berkenaan.
Satu lagi kata dia dalam masa pilehan raya di-Kota Bahru, rumah Wan Mustapha telah di-lengkongi oleh 1,000 orang daripada ahli2 penyokong report Perikatan dan bila di-buat tahu undangan, kapada tempat ada tahu Kemudian dia berkata ia-itu mula2 dia menapikan yang PAS ini ada mengechap azimat, dan dia berkata ada di-Batu Pahat orang UMNO membuat azimat.

Jadi, dia menchabar supaya saya menangkap ahli UMNO yang membuat azimat itu.
Saya ia-lah sa-bagaimana yang saya ia-itu salah hendak membuat tidak azimat, dan saya pun bila membuat uchapan di-Pasir Mas sana, tempat Yang Berhormat itu bertanding, saya memberitahu orang ramai bahawa tidak ada salah untok itu perkara membuat tetapi apa yang salah-nya ia-lah menggunakan azimat itu supaya memaksa orang2 mengundi kapada Parti PAS, itu yang salah; membuat azimat tidak salah.
Jadi, ta' payah-lah saya menangkap ahli2 dari pada UMNO itu, nanti saya pula mendapat kesusahan daripada parti saya dengan hasutan tuan.

(Ketawa).

sendiri, oleh azimat, sebab Yang Berhormat dari Pasir Puteh telah menudoh yang dalam pilehan raya yang telah lalu ia-itu anggota2 polis telah memaksa pengundi2 supaya mengundi Perikatan kapada Parti walau pun dia tidak berchakap Parti 601 22 MAY 1964 602 sa-macham Perikatan, ma'ana-nya Parti Perikatan- lah.
Ini satu tudohan yang berat yang di-datangkan kapada anggota polis yang di-beri kuasa supaya menjaga yang Undang2 Pilehan Raya itu tidak sa-siapa pun.

di-salahgunakan oleh satu itu tudohan Jadi tempelak kapada Polis, dan parti bagi Ahli Yang Berhormat itu patut-lah mengeluarkan butir2 berkenaan dengan tudohan-nya itu.
Saya boleh menyiasat dan kalau ada anggota2 polis mem- buat patut sa-macham di-hukum kapada-nya, tetapi kalau tudohan yang umum sa- membuat fitnah macham ini menjadi ini kapada Polis yang pada masa nama-nya sangat-lah harum, bukan sahaja di-Malaysia bahkan di-seluroh dunia (Tepok).
yang satu itu kali juga saya itu bukan-nya lagi ingatan saya telah menudoh telah menangkap parti2 Pembangkang Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pasir yang Puteh ahli2 Kerajaan daripada sa- belum pilehan raya oleh sebab dengan keperluan politik.

Tuan Yang di- telah Pertua, beberapa kapada Ahli2 Yang memberitahu Berhormat dalam Dewan yang lama saya ulang dahulu dan sekarang sa-kali ia-itu kita menangkap ahli2 dalam satu2 per- tubohan poliitik sa- bagai sikap-nya ahli politik bahkan telah melanggar undang2 dia negeri.
Kalau mithal-nya dalam Parti tentu-lah PAS banyak orang PAS di-tangkap (Tepok).

Kalau banyak to' guru dalam Parti PAS yang menyalahgunakan ugama dan akan menjadi huru-hara kapada bukan to' guru negeri, sa-bagai sifat-nya Parti PAS di- tangkap.

Jadi, kalau banyak ahli2 Parti PAS di-tangkap itu menunjok- sadikit dalam kan ada keburokan di-betulkan Parti dalam negeri yang demokrasi ini.

PAS.
PAS.

Patut-lah tentu-lah gangster banyak ia-lah Now, Sir, the Honourable Member for Batu, in his two-hour long speech, made many observations, and I would to reply like only in the conditions which, he regard to said, we should accept in order to have peace with Indonesia.

Now, Sir, I would not like to touch on all the the conditions, various aspects of the point to because they have been adequately dealt with by the Prime Minister of Singapore—and I thank him.
I would only like to answer one of the con ditions wherein he has said that all detainees should be released.

at to in the and Indonesian large.

Most of to be prejudicial Now, Sir, these so-called political detainees were detained under the Internal Security Act, 1960, and the corresponding other laws States of Malaysia.

These persons are the considered security of the country, if allowed to remain these representations had been detainees' considered by the Advisory Board constituted under the law.
The Board has made recommendation for their continued detention.

Regular reviews of their cases have also been made by the same Board, and their con tinued detention has been recommen these so-called ded.

Sir, many of self-confessed political detainees are subvertors border terrorists.

Is the Honourable Member for Batu seriously suggesting that we should allow these people to be at large?
How does he reconcile that to his professed loyalty to the country, when he wants these very people, who are traitors to the country, to be allowed to be at large?

(Interrup tion) We are in Parliament and I would like to remind the Honourable Mem ber for Batu that, first and foremost, we have Standing Rules and Orders, under which there is provision where any Member can, if he likes, choose to interrupt any other Member who is speaking.
I think it is just as well to remind a "new boy" to this House, Sir, that in parliamentary democracy we must abide by the rules.

We must follow them—I was on the point of going think to say "not follow".

I even in the people's democracy, they have rules there, but the punishment, I can assure the Honourable Member, is more severe than the punishment meted out by this House.
Sekarang kapada jawapan Yang Berhormat dari Johor Barat sampai saya Mr Speaker: Saya suka mengingat- kan masa hanya ada 5 minit lagi.

603 22 MAY 1964 604 tempat Dato' Dr Ismail bin Dato' Haji Abdul Rahman: I will try to be as quick as possible, Mr Speaker, in order to meet with your wishes although I am the injured party.
Now, Sir, berkenaan dengan tegoran Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Johor Barat atas berkenaan dengan Inspector- ia-itu kata-nya General of Police patut-lah itu di- penohi oleh sa-orang ra'ayat negeri suka-lah menyatakan ink kapada Yang Berhormat ia-itu ahli expatriate ini hanya-lah bekerja sa-hingga ia-lah 1965 dan dia berkhidmat di-sini ia-lah dengan permintaan saya sendiri telah kerana masa-nya dia bersara sampai.
penubohan Malaysia dengan ada-nya kekurangan anggota2 dan memikirkan keamalan yang ada pada diri-nya dia tahun yang akhir Pada masa jawatan Saya polis itu suka menolong kita.

Itu-lah sahaja, terima kaseh.

(Tepok).

Mr Speaker: Dua minit sahaja, lebeh baik saya tutup tidak kalau Majlis ini.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That an humble Address be presented to His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong as follows: "Your Majesty, We, the Speaker and Members of the Dewan Ra'ayat Malaysia in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer Your Majesty our humble thanks for the Gracious Speech with which the First Session of the Second Parliament has been opened."

Mr Speaker: The House adjourn sine die.

shall Adjourned at 8.30 p.m.