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49 Wednesday 23rd March, 1966 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) OFFICIAL REPORT SECOND SESSION OF THE SECOND PARLIAMENT OF MALAYSIA I CONTENTS ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 6945] BILL: The Supplementary Supply (1965) Bill [Col. 6962) EARLIER ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE (Motion) [Col. 6998) ADJOURNMENT (Motion) [Col. 7037] ADJOURNMENT SPEECH: Menggunakan Tanah Lombong untok Berchuchok Tanam [Col. 7037] DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, A.M.N., PENCHETAK KERAJAAN KUALA LUMPUR 1967 MALAYSIA DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) Official Report Second Session of the Second Dewan Ra'ayat Wednesday, 23rd March, 1966 The House met at Ten o'clock a.m.
PRESENT: The Honourable Mr Speaker, DATO' CHIK MOHAMED YusuF BIN SHEIKH ABDUL RAHMAN, s.P.M.P., J.P., Dato' Bendahara, Perak.

the Prime Minister, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, Y.T.M.

TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M.

(Kuala Kedah).

the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence and Minister of National and Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N.

(Pekan).
(Pekan).

the Minister of Home Affairs and Minister of Justice, DATO' DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N.

(Johor Timor).

the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' TAN SIEW SIN, J.P. (Melaka Tengah).

the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, DATO' v. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N.

(Sungei Siput).

the Minister of Transport, DATO' HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N.

(Pontian Utara).

the Minister of Education, ENCHE' MOHAMED KHIR JoHARI (Kedah Tengah).
the Minister of Health, ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah).

the Minister for Welfare Services, TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT ALI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang).

the Minister for Local Government and Housing, ENCHE' KHAW KAI-BOH, P.J.K.

(Ulu Selangor).

the Minister for Sarawak Affairs, DATO' TEMENGGONG JUGAH ANAK BARIENG, P.M.N., P.D.K.

(Sarawak).

the Minister of Labour, ENCHE' V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K.

(Klang).
(Klang).

the Minister of Information and Broadcasting, ENCHE' SENU BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Kubang Pasu Barat).

the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, TUAN HAJI MOHAMED GHAZAL!

BIN HAJI JAWI (Ulu Perak).

6939 23 MARCH 1966 6940 The Honourable the Minister of Lands and Mines, ENCHE' ABDUL· RAHMAN BIN YA'KUB (Sarawak).

the Assistant Minister of National and Rural Development, ENCHE' SULAIMAN BIN BULON (Bagan Datoh).
the Assistant Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ABDUL KADIR, J.M.N., S.M.T., P.J.K.

(Trengganu Tengah).

the Assistant Minister of Education, ENCHE' LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Sepang).

the Assistant Minister of Finance, DR NG KAM PoH, J.P. (Teluk Anson).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health, ENCHE' IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Labour, ENCHE' LEE SAN CHOON, K.M.N.

(Segamat Selatan).
(Segamat Selatan).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' ALI BIN HAJI AHMAD (Pontian Selatan).

the Parliamentary Secretary to the Deputy Prime Minister, ENCHE' CHEN WING SUM (Damansara).

ENCHE' ABDUL GHAN!

BIN ISHAK, A.M.N.

(Melaka Utara).

ENCHE' ABDUL KARIM BIN ABU, A.M.N.

(Melaka Selatan).

WAN ABDUL KADIR BIN ISMAIL, P.P.T.

(Kuala Trengganu Utara).

w AN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN DATU TUANKU BUJANG (Sarawak).

TUAN HAJI ABDUL RASHID BIN HAJI JAIS (Sabah).


ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN GuL AHMAD MIANJI (Pasir Mas Hulu).

DATO' ABDULLAH BIN ABDULRAHMAN, Dato' Bijaya di-Raja (Kuala Trengganu Selatan).

TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD.

SALLEH, A.M.N., S.M.J., P.1.s.

(Segamat Utara).

TUAN HAJJ AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kelantan Hilir).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N.

(Muar Utara).

TUAN HAJJ AHMAD BIN SAAID, J.P. (Seberang Utara).

CHE' AnBAH BINTI ABOL (Sarawak).

DR AWANG BIN HASSAN, S.M.J.

(Muar Selatan).


ENCHE' Aziz BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam).

ENCHE' JONATHAN BANGAU ANAK RENANG, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

PENGARAH BANYANG ANAK JANTING, P.B.S.

(Sarawak).

ENCHE' CHAN SEONG YOON (Setapak).

ENCHE' CHAN SIANG SUN (Bentong).

ENCHE' CHIA CHIN SHIN, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

ENCHE' FRANCIS CHIA NYUK TONG (Sabah).

ENCHE' CHIN FooN (Ulu Kinta).

ENCHE' D. A. DAGO ANAK RANDAN alias DAGOK ANAK RANDEN (Sarawak).

ENCHE' c. v. DEVAN NAIR (Bung,sar).


ENCHE' EDWIN ANAK TANGKUN (Sarawak). "

6941 23 MARCH 1966 6942 The Honourable TUAN SYED BSA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S.

(Batu Pahat Dalam).

DATIN HAJJAH FATIMAH BINTI HAJJ ABDUL MAJID (Johor Bahru Timor).

DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N.

(Jitra-Padang Terap).

ENCHE' s. FAZUL RAHMAN, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

DATO' GANIE GILONG, P.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).

ENCHE' GANING BIN JANGKAT (Sabah).

ENCHE' GEH CHONG KEAT, K.M.N.

(Penang Utara).

ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD.


YUNUS, A.M.N., J.P. (Kulim Utara).

ENCHE' HANAFIAH BIN HUSSAIN, A.M.N.

(Jerai).

ENCHE' HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Baling).

WAN HASSAN BIN WAN DAUD (Tumpat).

ENCHE' STANLEY Ho NOUN KHIU, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN To' MUDA HASSAN, A.M.N.

(Raub).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN MOHD.

NOORDIN, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(r.arit).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN SULAIMAN (Ulu Kelantan).

TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN (Kota Bharu Hulu).

ENCHB' IKHWAN ZAIN!

(Sarawak).


ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan).

DATO' SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, P.M.N.

(Johor Tenggara).

PENGHULU JINGGUT ANAK ATTAN, Q.M:C., A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

ENCHE' THOMAS KANA (Sarawak).

ENCHE' KHOO PENG LOONG (Sarawak).

ENCHE' EDMUND LANGGU ANAK SAGA (Sarawak).

ENCHE' AMADEUS MATHEW LEONG, A.:0.K., J.P. (Sabah).

DATO' LING BENO SIEW, P.N.B.S.

(Sarawak).

ENCHE' LIM KEAN Srnw (Dato Kramat).

ENCHE' LIM PEE HUNG, P.J.K.

(Alor Star).


DR MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMAD (Kota Star Selatan).

ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson).

ENCHE' c. JOHN ONDU MAJAKIL (Sabah,).

ENCHE' JOSEPH DAVID MANJAJI (Sabah).

DATO' DR HAJI MEGAT KHAs, D.P.M.P., J.P., P.J.K.

(Kuala Kangsar).

ENCHE' MOHD.

ARIF SALLEH, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

ORANG TUA MOHAMMAD DARA BIN LANGPAD (Sabah).

ENCHE' MOHD.

DAUD BIN ABDUL SAMAD (Besut).

ENCHE' MOHAMED IDRIS BIN MATSIL, J.M.N., P.J.K., J.P. (Jelebu-Jempol).

ENCHE' MOHD.
ENCHE' MOHD.

TAHIR BIN ABDUL MAJID, S.M.S., P.J.K.

(Kuala Langat).

6943 The Honourable w AN MOKHTAR BIN AHMAD (Kemaman).

23 MARCH 1966 6944 TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan).

ENcHE' MUHAMMAD FAKHRUDDIN BIN HAJ1 ABDULLAH (Pasir Mas Hilir).

TUAN HAJI MUHAMMAD Su'AUT BIN HAJI MuHD.

TAHIR, A.B.s.

(Sarawak).

DATO' HAJI MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI ABDUL JABAR, D.P.M.S., A.M.N., J.P. (Sabak Bernam).

ENCHE' MUSTAPHA BIN AHMAD (Tanah Merah).


DATO' NlK AHMAD KAMIL, D.K., S.P.M.K., S.J.M.K., P.M.N., P.Y.G.P., Dato' Sri Setia Raja (Kota Bharu Hilir).

ENCHE' NG FAH YAM (Batu Gajah).

ENCHE' ONG KEE HUI (Sarawak) .

TUAN HAJI OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Hilir Perak).

ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Perlis Utara).

TUAN HAJI RAHMAT BIN HAJI DAUD, A.M.N.

(Johor Bahru Barat).

TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD.

SAID, P.J.K., J.P. (Rembau-Tampin).

RAJA ROME BIN RAJA MA'AMOR, P.J.K., J.P. (Kuala Selangor).
ENCHE' SANDOM ANAK NYUAK (Sarawak) .

ENCHE' SEAH TENG NGIAB, P.1.s.

(Muar Pantai).

ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh).

ENCHE' SIM BOON LIANG (Sarawak).

ENCHE' SNAWI BIN ISMAIL, P.J.K.

(Seberang Selatan).

ENCHE' SNG CHIN Joo (Sarawak).

ENCHE' SULEIMAN BIN ALI (Dungun).

PENGIRAN TAHm PETRA (Sabah).

ENCHE' TAJUDDIN BIN ALI, P.J.K.

(Larut Utara).

ENCHE' TAI KUAN YANG (Kulim Bandar Bharu).

ENCHE' TAMA WENG TINGGANG WAN (Sarawak).

DR TAN CHEE KROON (Batu).

ENCHE' TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan).


ENCHE' TAN ToH HONG (Bukit Bintang).

ENcHE' TAN TSAK Yu (Sarawak).

ENCHE' TIAH ENG BEE (Kluang Utara).

ENCHE' TOH THEAM HOCK (Kampar).

ENCHE' YEH PAO TzE (Sabah).

ENCHE' YEOH TAT BENG (Bruas).

ENCHE' STEPHEN YONG KUET TzE (Sarawak).

TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD.

TAIB, P.J.K.

(Langat).

.. .. " ABSENT: The Honourable the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN.

J.P. (Larut Selatan).


the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara). "

6945 23 MARCH 1966 6946 The Honourable ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB, P.J.K.

(Kuantan).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSAIN (Lipis).

Y.A.M.

TuNKu ABDULLAH IBNI AL-MARHUM TUANKU ABDUL RAHMAN, P.P.T.

(Rawang).

ENCHE' ABU BAKAR BIN HAMZAH (Bachok).

O.K.K.

DATU ALIUDDIN BIN DATU HARUN, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N.

(Kluang Selatan).


TUAN HAn HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N., P.J.K (Kapar).

ENCHE' KADAM ANAK KIAi (Sarawak).

ENCHE' KAM WOON WAH, J.P. (Sitiawan).

DATO' KHOO SIAK CHIEW, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' LEE SECK FUN (Tanjong Malim).

DR LIM CHONG Eu (Tanjong).

ENCHE' PETER Lo Su YIN (Sabah).

DATO' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA, P.M.K.

(Pasir Puteh).

ENCHE' MOHAMED YusoF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N.

(Temerloh).

ENCHE' MOHD.

ZAHIR BIN HAJI ISMAIL, J.M.N.

(Sungai Patani).


ENCHE' QuEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Timor).

ENCHE' RAMLI BIN OMAR (Krian Darat).

DATO' s. P. SEENIVASAGAM, D.P.M.P., P.M.P., J.P. (Menglembu).

ENCHE' Srow LOONG HIN, P.J.K.

(Seremban Barat).

ENCHE' SOH AH TECK (Batu Pahat).

ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka).

PRAYERS (Mr Speaker in the Chair) ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS SANCTIONS AGAINST THE SMim REGIME, RHODESIA 1.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu) asks the Prime Minister if he is aware of the statement by the Minister of Com merce and Industry on March 3rd, 1966, in Kuala Lumpur, that sanctions could be effective to topple the Smith Regime, provided "Blockade Breakers" and international "Black Legs" were prevented from jeopardising the whole endeavour, and if so, to state what action the Government has taken, in conjunction with other member nations of the United Nations, to crush the "Blockade Breakers" and international "Black Legs".
The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, I am quite aware, and agree with my colleague, the Minister of Commerce and Industry, that effective blockade would topple the Smith Government, but the question is how to carry out an effective blockade.

The offenders in this case appear to be South African profiteers and also those profiteers from Portuguese Mozambique, who have supplied oil to the Rhodesian Govern ment.
The British Government have applied a blockade in the Straits of Mozambique and even that had not been found to be 100 per cent effective.

It is very difficult to do, outside of apply ing force, and this is not at the moment advised by the United Nations.

Under Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter, it is provided that where the sanction of the United Nations is not effective, the United Nations might suggest something else that is more forceful.
But before that is done, we have got to be sure that loss to life and property would be prevented.

The Sanctions Committee met in London on 23rd February, 1966, and our High Commissioner reported that to consider Britain was persuaded 6947 23 MARCH 1966 6948 formulating an alternative plan towards bringing about the end of the Smith Regime by some other means if eco nomic sanction failed to achieve the objective by July, 1966.
This was the position taken at the Commonwealth Prime Ministers' Conference at Lagos.

If that fails to obtain the objective by 1966, Britain will have to think of an alternative course.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, will the Honourable Prime Minister tell us whether these oil companies that supply oil through Mozambique and South Africa are they not mainly oil companies loyal to nationals of Great Britain, of America and, may be, of Holland-particularly of Great Britain.
If so, what steps has this country taken to more than persuade the British Government to keep their own nationals in check instead of paying lip service to want to topple the Smith Regime, while on the other hand getting shack les from the oil profits?
The Prime Minister: As far as I know, no particular oil company has been named and that the flow of oil into the territory of Rhodesia has not been sufficient for the consumption of 10% of the people there and I have no evidence to suggest that any of the oil companies that are operating here has a share in it and the British have never openly ,declared who are the culprits.
So it is very difficult for me offhand, without making a study of it, to satisfy the curiosity of the Honour able Member that the British have done these oil companies that are suspected of having supplied the oil to Rhodesia.

so-and-so against if that taken Enche' Lim Kean Siew (Dato Kramat): Mr Speaker, Sir, I think I heard the Honourable Prime Minister there could be other saying means failed.
sanctions Well, perhaps the Honourable Prime Minister would consider asking the Singapore Government to follow the Malaysian Government by banning South African goods.

As far as we understand it, although Malaysia has banned South African goods, Singapore has not done so and this will encourage to the South African Government proceed with its policy of supplying Rhodesia.
Secondly, would not the Prime Minister consider bringing up this matter in the forthcoming Prime Ministers' Conference in London in July, so that the whole of the Com monwealth could make their decision more forcefully heard?

Thirdly, is it not a fact that oil is an international monopoly and that Shell and British Petroleum are the main suppliers of South African oil and that if oil does go into Rhodesia it must come from those companies.

Now, Shell has got business and certain refineries in Singa pore.
Could not the Honourable Prime the British Minister enquire Government to see if that is the fact and if that is the fact then why should not sanctions be taken against those oil companies?

from Finally, Mr Speaker, Sir, would not the Honourable Prime Minister consi der this point-that this is the first time that Asian and African nations could show unity against a rebel White Government.
Now, if we do not take a firm stand and if we do not carry out our decisions effectively, we might then make the White nations laugh at the newly emerging nations o( Africa, especially.

The Prime Minister: I agree with all the long-winded (Laughter) statements that have been offered and the various suggestions that have been offered by the Honourable Member just now,' but it is not easy for me to venture an opinion.
But one thing I can tell the Honourable Member-thajj it is on the Agenda for the meeting of the Prime Minister in July, if there is going to be one; if there is not going to be one, there will be a meeting of the Sanc tions Committee in July, 1966, and the main Agenda is to discuss alternative action against the Smith Government.

As I said just now, I do not know how much the Shell Company or other oil companies are involved in this.
But, I would like to inform the Honourable Member that the Government of South Africa has never been charged with being involved in this "black leg", or "blocade breakers", or what not.

There are these profiteers who have made to Rhodesian Government available 6949 23 MARCH 1966 6950 to the from refineries this oil and, as I said, I can find in out now Singapore about the involvement of the Shell Company.
And what he suggested was quite right-when we applied economic sanctions against the South Africa before, one of offenders was our next door neighbour, Singapore.

I think in this case Singa pore is much with us that the blocade against any of the material that can be the Smith Government of use should be effective.
As far as I know it is only about 30 or 40 per cent effective, but it is for us to see from experience how we can make it a hundred per cent effective and this is I think a matter which is going to be discussed in July, 1966.

In the mean time, I think the Honourable Member might wait and hear the result of this in London.

particular Beyond that, I do not think there is very much inform the that I can Honourable Member.
We are also in the dark, but on our part, as we have made it clear from the time when we opposed the Smith Regime, we do everything possible to work in co operation with all the other countries to apply this economic sanction against Rhodesia and we on our part have done our best and I do not think ·we can do any more at this juncture.

conference · Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir.


If I heard the Honourable Prime Minister rightly in answer to my ques tion just now about the oil companies, he said that he could not satisfy my curiosity.

ls the Honourable the Prime Minister aware that the Smith Regime is not a matter of curiosity?

The Smith Regime is an anathema to the whole Afro-Asian world and it is a very serious thing.
I hope that the Honour able Prime Minister would agree with me when I say that the sooner the Smith Regime is toppled the better it is for the Afro-Asian world.

If that is so, would the Honourable Prime Minis ter not consider taking more effective steps other than going through Com monwealth Conference by taking it up at the United Nations again, at the Security Council and at the General Assembly?
r do not know whether the Honourable the Prime Minister is aware in Italy the 1930's invaded that then League of Abyssinia and the Nations tried to impose sanctions and failed thoroughly, thereby leading not only to Mussolini but Hitler marching across both Europe and Russia.

The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not know what he is suggest ing.

Anyway, I would be quite happy to send him to Rhodesia on a private visit (Laughter).

He might come home and advise us how to deal with the Smith Regime.
I am aware of so many things but I am not aware how to act against such a regime.

That is all I can say-he can go at our expense if he likes (Laughter).

· to ENTRY OF PEOPLE OF CHINESE DESCENT INTO mE PHILIPPINES (Procedure adopted by the Philippines Government) 2.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Prime Minister if he is aware of the latest proposal of the Philippines Immigra that people of tion Department Chinese descent should submit two pictures the Philippine consular officer at the place of origin, with their signatures and thumbmarks on the to be pictures and authenticated and certified .
by the consular officer, and presented at the point of entry in the Philippines, and that this latest proposal although an improvement on the previous regula tions is still obnoxious to Malaysians of Chinese origin, and if so, whether the Central Government has made further representations to the Philip pines Government on this matter.
these pictures The Prime Minister: The Philippines Government on 8th February, 1966, revoked the order which required the Chinese nationals and persons of Chinese descent to be finger-printed upon arrival in the Philippines.
Subse quently, the Philippines Foreign Office issued a regulation which requires a Chinese national or a person of Chinese descent intending to visit the Philippines to submit his picture, to which is affixed his thumbmark at the back, to the Consular officer at the place of the application for a visa.
One thing I can tell the Honourable 6951 23 MARCH 1966 6952 that Member and that is this fingerprinting is never done in the office here or our Consulate in Manila, and I have been told that the Consulate here has never insisted on finger-printing of Chinese, who intend to visit the Philippines.
That is all I know about this parti cular matter, and I can assQre the is Honourable Member something which we consider obnox ious to ourselves and we never do such a thing here and I do not know where else they do it.

Perhaps when there is a resumption of diplomatic relation with the Philippines Govern ment we might be able to suggest something so that this finger-printing can be done away with.

At the moment we anything because we have no diplomatic rela tions with the Philippines.
cannot do that Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, if the Philippine Government, even the resumption of diplomatic after relations, insists on Malaysians of Chinese ancestry putting their thumb print at the Consulate here before they go over to the Philippines, will the Government then consider retalia tory action vis-a-vis the Filipinos coming over to Malaysia?

The Prime Minister: We have to wait before I can answer that question.
KERAJAAN AMERIKA SHARIKAT MEMPERSENJATAI TENTERA JEPON UNTOK KESELAMATAN DI-ASIA TENGGARA 3.

Dato' Haji Mustapha bin Haji Abdul Jabar bertanya kapada Perdana Menteri, oleh kerana Kerajaan Amerika Sharikat berura~ura mempersenjatai: tentera · untok menentang kemaraan Kominis di-Asia Tenggara, akan ada-kah Kerajaan Malaysia menyokong langkah itu demi kesela matan kawasan ini daripada anchaman Kominis.
Jepun ini, saya belum The Prime Minister: Berkenaan dengan soal lagi dengar ada sa-barang chadangan dari pada Amerika Sharikat hendak me lengkapkan angkatan bersenjata Jepun bagi menchegah dengan kemaraan Kominis di-Asia Tenggara.

senjata2 Kita memang-lah sentiasa churiga di atas niat dan chita2 Kominis hendak mena'aloki dan memerentah seluroh Asia Tenggara ini.

Kita menyokong sa-kira-nya ada sa-barang langkah dan chadangan hendak di-ambil untok menahankan Kominis China daripada bermaharaja-lela.
DECLARATION OF MAY 1st AS A PUBLIC HOLIDAY the 4.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks Minister of Home Affairs if he is aware of the renewed demand by the M.T.U.C.

at the beginning of this year that the Ministry of Labour make May 1st as May Day or Labour Day a public holiday, and if so, what are the reasons for the Government refusing to grant this request of the half million workers in Malaysia as represented by the M.T.U.C.
The Minister of Home Affairs (Dato' Dr Ismail): Sir, I stated in Parliament that I was prepared to declare one day holiday as Labour Day, provided it does not fall on 1st May and I further stated that it is up to the M.T.U.C.

'to decide the day.

I propose to leave it at that.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, is the Honourable Minister aware that since his declaration, I think it was last year, I have before me a press report which reads: "May Day demand by M.T.U.C.
The 500,000 workers in Malaysia will continue to agitate for May 1st as May Day or Labour Day.

This was revealed today by Enche' S. J. H. Zaidi, Secretary General of the Malaysian Trades Union Congress."

Mr Speaker, Sir, this is not agitation on my part; I am merely echoing the wishes of half a million workers of Malaysia.
In view of this fresh agitation which appeared in January, 1966, I think a good six months after the declaration by the Honourable Minister of Home Affairs, will he not reconsider this request by the M:T.U.C?

Dato' Dr Ismail: Sir, the M.T.U.C.

has every right as a legal organization in the country to exercise its demo cratic right to agitate constitutionally.

6953 23 MARCH 1966 6954 And I also have the right to differ with the M.T.U.C.
I do not agree that the 1st of May, at the moment, should be declared a public holiday.

if I may take up where Dr Tan Chee .Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, the Minister left off, he said, "at the moment".

Does it imply that at some future date he will consider making May 1st as May Day or Labour Day for the workers of this country?

Dato' Dr Ismail: Sir, I am not a stubborn man.

I am not prepared to declare the 1st May as a public holiday at the moment not just because I do not like it.

I have my reasons.
I have my reasons.

And I say that if the future conditions in this country alter, of course, I will recommend to my colleague to declare 1st May as a public holiday.

In the meanwhile, I have been quite generous in revoicing the opinion of my Cabinet colleagues to give one day as a public holiday on Labour Day.

IMPROVEMENT OF SURFACE MAIL BETWEEN MALAYA AND BORNEO 5.
Enche' Chia Chin Shin asks the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecom munications to state why it is necessary for surface mail from Malaya to take more than one month to reach Borneo States, and if he will look into the improvement of postal service between Malaya and Borneo States.
The Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications (Dato' V. T. Sambanthan): Mr Speaker, Sir, there is one regular sailing per week from Singapore to Sabah and Sarawak by Straits Steamship vessels, which are regularly used for the conveyance of mails.

There are also vessels belonging to two other shipping firms operating from Singapore to Sabah and Sarawak with indefinite schedules of sailing.

These latter are small vessels, which limited cargo space and are have therefore the conveyance of mails.
sparingly used for The sea transit time from Singapore to Kuching is about two days and from Singapore to Jesselton about 5 days.

It takes about 7 days for a vessel from Singapore to reach Sandakan and about 8 days to reach Tawau or Lahad Datu.

A mail is closed in time to catch the available sailing to the Borneo States.

Surface mails posted by the public immediately after a mail is made up for despatch to Sabah, or Sarawak are unavoidably held up but for not more than a week to await the next sailing.
Allowing for a sea transit time of 2 to 8 days for the mails to reach Sara wak or Sabah, there is an unavoidable maximum period between the day of posting and the day of delivery of 10 days to 16 days, depending upon the in Sarawak and place of delivery Sabah.

If the mails are posted just in time to catch the sailing from Singa pore, the time left between posting and delivery is reduced to a minimum of 4 to 11 days.

The speed with which surface.


mails from Malaya to the Borneo States can be conveyed is dependent upon the speed and number of suitable sailings the con of steamers available for veyance of mails.

Surface mails between Malaya and the Borneo States therefore, be further expedited can, only when the sea communications are improved.
An important improvement in postal communications between Malaya and the Borneo States was effected from the 16th November, 1964 when all first class mails, that is letters and postcards, have been conveyed between Malaya and the Borneo States by air, on pre payment of the normal postage rates without any airmail fee.

If the Honourable Member will bring to the attention of my Ministry any specific case where a delay of more than 16 days to 3 weeks has to occurred, investigate the delay.
I would be pleased SHIPMENT OF MALAYAN MANU· FACTURED GOODS TO BORNEO 6.

Enche' Chia Chin Shin asks the Minister of Commerce and Industry to state since the date when Straits Steamship Vessels started operation of direct route from Malayan ports to Borneo ports, what is the monthly total ·manufactured figures of Malayan 6955 23 MARCH 1966 6956 goods being shipped to Borneo ports and the monthly total figures of Rubber and Pepper being shipped to Malayan .

ports for re-export to foreign countries.


The Minister for Local Government and Housing (Enche' Khaw Kai-Bob): The monthly total figures of Malayan manufactured goods being shipped to Borneo Ports are as follows.

I would give these figures under four different headings, Sir.

Malaysian Cargo D.W.
Tons Malaysian Cargo 1964 (Dead Weight) D.W. (Bills of Lad- Total B/LTons ing Tonnages) November December 1965 January February March April May June July August September October November l;)ecember Total B/L 285 762 912 1.130 1.147 1,342 1.212 812 l,402 1.155 1,257 1.160 2,024 2,535 1966 January February 743 1,153 863 1,707 1,313 2,538 The above quoted figures excluded Army cargo and 2 % for personal effects and vehicles.
1,468 2,264 No rubber and pepper from Malay sian States in Borneo have been shipped to Malayan Ports for re-export to foreign countries.

These commodities have been re-exported via Singapore ports and not via Malayan ports.

ALLOCATION OF MALAYAN TARIFF PROTECTIVE PRODUCTS FOR SALE IN BORNEO 7.
Enche' Chia Chin Shin asks the Minister of Commerce and Industry whether he would consider the alloca tion of certain portion of Malayan Tariff Protective Products for sale in Borneo Market proportionate to popu lation figures in order to harmonise the selling price of such commodities throughout Malaysia.
Enche' Khaw Kai-Bob: Mr Speaker, Sir, in a free enterprise society such as ours, it would not be practicable to to direct allocate their products to different parts individual manufacturers of the country in proportion to popu lation figures; and even if this were feasible, there is no reason to assume that this would result in any harmoni sation of retail selling prices.
It is, how ever, the policy of the Government to encourage all manufacturers in Malay sia to regard the whole of Malaysia as being one single market and to arrange their marketing and distribution accor dingly.

The policy has had some measure of success, and I am happy to know that there are quite a number of locally-made goods which are now available to the public at the same price throughout Malaysia.
Much more remains to be done along these lines, and I hope that all manufacturers will follow the lead which has been given to them.

I am particularly concerned over the need for adequate distribution of local products and my Ministry will investigate immediately any complaints that specific manufacturers are failing to meet the demands of any particular area of Malaysia.

COMMISSION OF ENQUIRY INTO CONDITIONS OF INDUSTRIAL Industry firms has completed FIRM-REPORT 8.
Dato' Haji Mustapha bin Haji the Minister of Abdul Jabar asks Commerce and state to wh~ther the Commission of Enquiry set up to enquire into the conditions of industrial its report, and if so, to state the number industries having non-Malaysian of citizens on today and their staff whether Government intends to reduce the number of such personnel and replace them with Malaysian citizens.
Enche' Khaw Kai-Bob: The Govern ment did not set up a Commission of Enquiry as such to enquire into the conditions of industrial firms, but a Cabinet Committee was set up in 1963 under the chairmanship of the Deputy Prime Minister to review the progress of Malayanization in commerce and industry.

A Standing Committee of Officials was established to assist the main Committee.
The Standing Com mittee was composed of Officials from various Government Ministries and Departments and this Committee consi dered all applications from commerce and industry for employment passes in 6957 23 MARCH 1966 6958 this country.

It was ensured, during the course of processing these applications, that passes were issued only to those foreign personnel who possessed special technical and other skills which was not available from local citizens.
At a later stage, the Committee decided to request all commercial and industrial establishments having foreign personnel on their staff to submit their Malayanization programmes for the next five-year period.

This exercise is still in progress.

It has been estimated, as a result of this, that there are approximately 300 establishments, both commercial and industrial which have non-Malaysian citizens on their staff.
The Standing Committee is at present examining the Malayanization pro grammes of these companies with a view to gradually replacing as much local foreign personnel by qualified citizens.

It is intention of the Government that posts to ensure currently held by expatriate personnel are ultimately taken over by sufficiently qualified Malaysian citizens as and when they are available.
If, however, the Committee that is sufficiently trained local personnel are not available, it is willing to consider the granting of emp1oyment passes for trained foreign personnel for a limited period of time.

Such passes would be granted on condition that the company embarks on a training programme to train local personnel with the view of ultimately Malayanizing the post.

satisfied the STATE RELIBF GRANTS TO NEEDY STUDENTS 9.
Enche' C. V. Devan Nair (Bungsar) asks the Minister for Welfare Services (a) to state the rules governing the grants of state relief to needy students from poor homes for the purchase of school books and equipment; (b) to give the total amount of State relief granted to such students for such purchases since the beginning of this year; and (c) to state the number of needy students who have received cash grants for such purchases since the beginning of the year.
The Minister for Welfare Services (Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan): Mr Speaker, Sir, this subject, under the Constitution, is a State matter admi nistered by the respective State Govern ments from the provision appropriated for this purpose from State funds.

The school aid programme is administered by the State Governments, as I said just now, based on rules formulated by States.

These rules vary from State to State, but generally every applica tion for aid is subject to a means test and proven need.
There are, however, no hard and fast rules in determining the eligibility and every case is con sidered on its own merits on the discre tion of the approving authority.

The approving authority except in Johore, Selangor, and Perak, is the State Social Welfare Officer.

In Johore, · Selangor and Perak, the approving authority is the State School Aid Committee appointed by the State Governments.

The amount of grant given varies from $25 to $100.


In some States the total amount asked for is given, while in other States the percentage varying from 40% to 10% is given.

In Johore, Malacca, Negri Sembilan, Selangor and Pahang, specific provision for school aid is made in the State Estimates as follows: Johore Malacca Negri Sembilan Selangor Pahang .

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In the other States payment is made out of the General Welfare Vote.
The total amounts of State relief granted to such students for such purchases since the beginning of this year up-to date are as follows: Penang Johore Pahang Negri Sembilan Selangor Trengganu Malacca Kelantan Perak Kedah Perlis $29,889.00 63,090.80 16,700.00 26,681.55 58,810.00 479.00 5,494.05 4.274.00 49,535.00 27,364.00 755.70 Total $283,073.10 6959 23 MARCH 1966 6960 The number of needy students who have received cash aid for the pur chase of books since the beginning of the year up to-date is as follows : Penang $2,392; Johore $3,316; Pahang $534; Negeri Sembilan $728; Selangor $4,050; Trengganu $56; Malacca $206; Kelantan $289; Perak $1,986; Kedah $1,937; and Perlis $28.
port and other Departments concerned, had taken and is continuing to take the necessary steps to assist the parties in resolving these differences.

Some of these issues have been resolved, and I hope that the remaining issues will also be resolved similarly and that good relations can prevail in the Railways soon.
Enche' C. V. Devan Nair: Mr Spea ker, Sir, the Honourable Minister has stated that the rules governing the grant of State relief to needy students vary from State to State and from the recital of the amounts of aid given, we find that there is quite a great varia tion of the amounts given in cash reliefs from State to State.

Would not the Government agree that it is desir able to have a uniform set of rules governing the grant of State relief to needy students to apply to all the States uniformly?
Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: As I said earlier, this subject, under the Constitution, is a State matter and is administered by the respective State Governments.

Any further questions on this subject should be directed to the State concerned.

This is a State matter.

IMPROVEMENT OF RELATIONS THE MALAYAN BETWEEN ADMINISmATION RAILWAY AND THE RAILWAYMEN'S UNION OF MALAYSIA 10.
Enche' C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Labour to state whether any action has been taken by his Ministry to bring about an improve ment in relations between the Malayan Railway Administration the Railwaymen's Union of Malaya which appear to be in a crisis-ridden state.

and The Minister of Labour (Enche' v. Manickavasagam): Mr Speaker, Sir, I would not say that relations between the Malayan Railway Administration the Railwaymen's Union of and Malaya are in a crisis-ridden state.
It is true that there are some outstanding issues on which differences exist between the parties.

My Ministry, in conjuction with the Ministry of Trans- Is counter-challenges, Dr Tan Chee Khoon: the Honourable Minister of Labour aware that hardly a week goes by without challenges, and now there are threats of court action, strike action?

Is not that synonymous with the crisis-ridden state that the Honourable Member for Bungsar has described?
Encbe' V. Manickavasagam: As I said just now, Sir, we are aware that there are differences, but I would not agree it is to the extent of crisis.

In a democratic is at liberty to express his views.

society everyone Enche' C. V. Devan Nair: It may not be in a crisis-ridden state, but the Minister will at least agree that it is in a chronic state of unrest and there is chronic discontent.

The latest I hear is that there is an ultimatum of sort from the Railwaymen's Union of Malaya.
Would the Honourable Minister inform us as to what the outlook is with regard to the resolution of the dissatis faction which led to this ultimatum.

Enche' V. Manickavasagam: I am unable to say what the outlook is.

I know Sir, quite a number of Trade Unions do send ultimatums and then we try to settle them.

This is the form of industrial relations that we have, but, as I said, these are being resolved in conjunction with the Ministries concerned.
Enche' C. V. Devan Nair: Sir, I do not expect to be a the Minister prophet, but I do expect him to possess some ministerial perspicacity and to inform us whether the resolution of these dissatisfactions and so on are on the way to solution, or whether the Government these expects differences may explode into even more serious unrest.

that 6961 23 MARCH 1966 6962 Enche' V. Manickavasagam: The Honourable Member, I think, is going out of the question.
We are aware, as I said, that there are issues on which the Railwaymen's Union has passed certain resolutions and sent them to the Ministry of Transport.

We on our part are doing our best to bring the parties together to find a basis for a solution.

I do not think it is healthy at this stage to bring in anyth1ng to aggravate the situation.

CENTRAL APPRENTICESHIP BOARD SCHEME-NO.

OF APPRENTICES IN TRAINING 11.


Enche' C. V. Devan Nair asks the Minister of Labour to give particulars of apprentices in training by trades under the Central Apprenticeship Board scheme as on 31-12-1965.

Enche' V. Maaickavasagam: Mr Speaker, Sir, there were 838 apprentices under training at the end of last year.

Of these, 485 are in the mechanical group of trades, 296 in the electrical trades, 4 in the building trades and 53 in the printing trades.

PEMASARAN P ADI DAN SIMPANAN BERAS 12.
Dato' Haji Mustapha bin Haji Abdul Jabar bertanya kapada Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama ada kah benar petani2 berasa tidak puas hati terhadap pasaran padi pada masa ini oleh kerana kuasa pasaran padi clan kuasa simpanan beras terletak di-luar kuasa Kementerian Pertanian, Jika benar, ada-kah Kerajaan berchadang untok menyatukan kuasa2 pasaran padi dan simpanan beras ini di-bawah Ke menterian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama untok mengatasi masaaiah pasaran padi.
The Minister of Agriculture and Co· operatives (Tuan Haji Mohamed Ghazali bin Haji Jawi): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perasaan tidak puas hati di kalangan dan pemimpin peladang2 terhadap pema saran padi pada masa ini telah pun di-sampaikan kapada saya beberapa kali.

Masaalah kuasa pemasaran padi dan kuasa simpanan beras ada-lah peladang2 petani2, Pertanian timbangan Kemen sedang di-dalam Sharilfat terian Kerjasama dan juga Kementerian Perdagangan dan Perusahaan serta Lembaga Pemasaran Pertanian Per sekutuan.
dan BILL THE SUPPLEMENTARY SUPPLY (1965) BILL Second Reading Order read for resumption of debate on motion, "That the Bill be now read a second time".

(22nd March, 1966).

Debate resumed.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun untok meng ambil bahagian tentang Rang Undang2 Bekalan Tambahan yang di-kemuka kan oleh Menteri Muda Kewangan malam sa-malam.

Tuan Yang di Pertua, terutama saya hendak me nyentoh tentang keborosan Kerajaan Pusat.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan keizinan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak membacha cherita yang di siarkan di-surat khabar Straits Times pada 30 haribulan Disember, 1965.

Cherita dalam surat khabar ini di-tulis dalam bahasa lnggeris, saya terpaksa bacha dalam bahasa lnggeris, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.

(Ketawa).

the adjournment of "An Alliance Town Councillor today accused the Central Government of sup pressing the people while Cabinet Ministers and Malaysian diplomats .

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"-he might well add "lots of other M.Ps.

"-"were living in luxury".

Enche' Tajuddin l:!in Hi.

Chik, Alliance, Telok Sisek, Temoh, made this accusation at the monthly meeting of the Town Council here today.

Enche' Tajuddin said "The poor people are made to bear a lot already with· out heaping another tax on them.

The intro duction of the education rates would be too much for them to bear.
Although I accept this matter in principle, it would appear that the Central Government is suppressing the people by imposing the rates.

On the other hand, our Ministers and diplomats abroad ... "-and I may add "also some Alliance M.Ps.

"-"are living a life of luxury".

No comments from me Mr Speaker.

Sir.

As examples of this extravagance, may I refer to the sum of $203,323 to be spent on 2 Orders of Chivalry, the Darjah Kerabat Di-Raja Malaysia and Darjah Mahkota Malaysia.
6963 23 MARCH 1966 6964 Mr Speaker, Sir, one would have thought that the Alliance Government, looking at the chests of all these V.I.Ps at the various official functions, would have seen that all the chests are filled with ribbons and medals to want to add two more medals to their already filled chests-perhaps, from here to here and may be at the back.

if you go on like at this rate increasing the medals, which in this case costs nearly a quarter million dollars.
Mr Speaker, Sir, one would have thought that this House is already burdened enough with Tengkus, with Tuns, with Datos to want to inflict two more Orders of Chivalry on the poor ra'ayat of Malaysia.

Mr Speaker, Sir, such expenditure is small comfort to the poor ra'ayat, for they can never see or come within smelling distance of such Orders-saperti di-katakan ten tang Menteri2-Menteri2 Kerajaan Pusat style mahu, ra'ayat perut lapar tidak apa.
Mr Speaker, Sir, another example of this grand style, style mahu, is found in Head S. 7, Item 22, Command Paper 8 of 1966, page 13.

This concerns the expenditure of $28,000- ($17 ,000 for the ceremonial send-off of the former Yang di-Pertuan Agong to Perlis on the 20th September, 1965, and $11,000 for the ceremonial wel come for the present Yang di-Pertuan Agong on the 21st September, 1965).
Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, it is agreed that we must have some sort of ceremonial send-off and some sort of ceremonial welcome, but there must be a sense of proportion.

Mr Speaker, Sir, the Alliance Government with its passion for pageantry, with its feudalistic ideas, has now inflicted this sum of $28,000 on the poor taxpayers of Malaysia.

I agree that there must be some sort of ceremonial send-off and ceremonial welcome, but this expenditure of $28,000 may well be cut down to size.
I believe that some of this expenditure is concerned with, probably, some State banquet and the like; here I do not know whether it includes any State banquet-I stand corrected on it-if it does, I would but say that such State banquet could well be done without.

in Another, to me an extravagant item of expenditure, Head is S. 7, item 20 of Command Paper 8 of 1966, page 12. the expenditure of This concerns $49,000 for the State visits of the Prime Ministers of Korea and South Vietnam.
Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, I do know this there are Ministers House, who have savoured of hospi tality of the Korean Government, maybe of the South Vietnam Govern ment, I see a smiling face opposite me (Laughter), Mr Speaker, Sir-I need not.

mention the name of the Minister concerned-but what is the necessity for this proliferation of buntings and arches all over the town on those two occasions?

If it is thought that these are necessary, surely one or two strategic areas would be sufficient.
asking this $49,000 for I say that the items that I have quoted, the Orders of Chivalry, the ceremonial send-off and the ceremonial the welcome and State visits for the Prime Ministers of Korea and South Vietnam is no comfort to the ra'ayat, who have to stop their children going to school.

Mr Speaker, Sir, just now we heard the for Bungsar Member the for Social Welfare about Minister assistance by way of purchasing books.
Perhaps Members may know, but I wish to bring to the attention of this House that I do know that there are many bumiputeras who come to my dispensary and say, "Doktor, apa boleh buat, anak saya tidak boleh pergi ka sekolah, oleh sebab saya tidak ada wang untok membeli buku2".

Now, look into that light, Mr Speaker, Sir.


I ask the Alliance Government whether it has any conscience, if in cutting these sums of money that have been spent by half, you can benefit many, many more citizens of Malaysia, in particular, the bumiputeras.

Do not talk on terms of MARA having raising the standards of living of the bumi puteras.
Do not talk about raising the standards of living of the bumiputeras when right at my doorsteps, in my constituency of Batu, there are per haps hundreds of people, bumiputeras, who cannot send to their children school, because they do not have money to buy textbooks, to buy shoes, 6965 23 MARCH 1966 6966 to buy clothes for their children.

I ask think seriously to the Government before it embarks on such extravagant items of expenditure.
Mr Speaker, Sir, one side effect of the visit of the Prime Minister of South Korea was the award of LL.D.

to the said Prime Minister, and here I regret that the Minister for Education is not here.

I had brought this matter up before during the Budget Session and, since he has not given me a reply to that, I make no apology for returning to that same question.
I do hope that although he is absent, some of his backroom boys, sitting opposite me, will take note of it and inform the Minister of this protest by me.

Mr Speaker, Sir, it is from the press statements that emanated from the .

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I am glad, the Minister for Mr Speaker, Sir, Education has come back (Laughter).
I may reiterate again that I wish to bring up this matter of the award of an Honorary Degree to the Prime Minister of South Korea and the only reason why I bring it up again in this House is that on a previous occasion when I brought it up, the Honourable Prime Minister.

I think, inadvertently failed to reply to it.

I do hope that this time he will listen a little more care fully and note it down and give a reply, for this is a very serious thing in academic circles.
to award Mr Speaker, Sir, when the Prime Minister of Korea was invited to this country some bright spark in the Prime Minister's Department thought that it would be a good idea, since our Prime Minister got an LL.D.

from the Seoul National University the LL.D.

of the University of Malaya to the Prime Minister of South Korea.
Whereupon, not the Prime Minister, who is also the Chancellor of the University, but an official of the Prime Minister's Department rang up the University and said, "Will you please the Prime consider Minister of South Korea"?
Now that, to the University, coming from the Prime Minister's Department, the Head of which is the Prime Minister, who is also the Chancellor of the University this award to of Malaya, is tantamount to an order and consequently, I regret to say, that the Honorary Awards Committee of the University of Malaya proceeded fo consider this Honorary award on a blank piece of paper.
Ordinarily, as you know, Mr Speaker, Sir, when an Honorary Degree is awarded, some body makes a proposal and at this time of the year the proposals are considered-all details are written down.

I notice, there is a Member of this House, who has received an Honorary Degree from the University of Malaya, and he has had to write down the full details, but on this occasion nothing was done.
On a blank piece of paper the Honorary Degrees Award Committee of the University of Malaya made the recommendation of an LL.D.

for the Prime Minister of South Korea, and in the space of 24 hours requested the University of Malaya to approve of the action-again on a blank piece of paper.

You see what ridiculous a position the University of Malaya was reduced to.
Mr Speaker, Sir, I hope this House will agree with me that the University of Malaya is not an adjunct of the Prime Minister's Department, although the Chairman of the Univer sity of Malaya Council is the Permanent Secretary of the P.M.'s Department.

I must say that, in all respects, he has been very impartial and he has not treated the University as coming under his portfolio; but, unfortunately, some underling in the P.M.'s Department has thought it so.
the Senate of Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish to bring to the notice of this House that on a similar occasion in Australia, Sir Robert Menzies wanted to award an Honorary Degree to the King of Thai the Australian National land, but University, to its undying credit, said "Boo" to · the Prime Minister of Australia, and the Prime Minister of Australia had to find some other means to political these kudos of giving personages that visited Australia.
I do hope that the Honourable the Minister of Education will advise his ministerial colleagues not the affairs of the University of Malaya intrude into to 6967 23 MARCH 1966 6968 where Honorary Degrees are awarded.

These degrees are very carefully vetted by all concerned and should certainly not be awarded at the behest of the Government of the day.

this Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, I come now to Public Debt-Head C. 13, Command Paper 8 of 66, page 7.
I notice that a sum of $12-plus million is asked for in this Supplementary Supply Bill, and that the total for 1965 is $151-plus million, which is roughly about 10% of the Budget.

Now, the total of public debt for servicing of loans for this year is $166.6 million-this is as enunciated by the Minister of Finance in his Budget speech-and again, is roughly about 10% of the Annual Budget for this year.
As Honourable Members know, the public debt of this country in October 1965 are-these are figures from the speech by the Honourable the Minister of Finance : External Debt-$510 million, the other one, Domestic-$2,082 million.

Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, I regard this as a very serious state of affairs, for we are mortgaging the future of this country.
It is true that in order to industrialise and to progress, we must borrow, but as it stands, although the matter con cerned, is not so serious because the main factor is that of $2,082 million of Domestic Debts; but I notice that the present Government is now embark ing on-well, if the press reports are true-the Government wants to borrow $2,000 million from abroad, loans although the Five-Year Plan specifies that $1,100 million is to come from public loans and $900 million is to come from gifts, whatever that may mean.
Now I notice from press reports, and these are not contradicted by the this Government Government, now to borrow $2,000 million for the next five years.

Now, you can see how serious that will- be, because then it bumps up our external debt to $2,500 million plus.
Now, this is a very serious thing, because in the case of your domestic national debt, if you service it, the money remains in this country, whereas your external debt if you service it, the money flows out;' and I do hope that the Alliance Government will consider this thing is seeking that It should try and very seriously.
explore all the avenues, if it must borrow money-and here I do not say that we should not borrow money, of necessity we must borrow money-it should try and tap local sources first before it ventures into foreign markets and load generations yet unborn with a huge debt.

In effect, what we are doing that we are spending on borrowed money and when the day of reckoning comes it will be a very serious thing indeed.

is is Mr Speaker, Sir, I now come to Head S. 19, Command Paper 8 of 1966, page 16.
Here I wish to make a correction, Mr Speaker, Sir, in regard to my speech on the Development Estimates regarding the development of the University of Malaya.

I notice that the Straits Times quoted me wrongly and I do hope that the Strait's Times will get the figures right now.

that the It reported me as saying University had applied for a $50 million grant under the First Malaysia Plan, but in effect it was $34.7 million.

Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, the actual position this.


The University of Malaya put in a bid of $43-plus million for 7,000 students-it also made another bid of about $30 million for 5,000 students.

The net result was that the University of Malaya got $30 million, but this included the sum of $5.25 million already committed last year and only paid for this year.

Con sequently, the actual grant for the next five years is $24.75 million for develop ment.
Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, as Hon ourable Members know, the University of Malaya put in a bid for $15 million for its current expenditure this.

year, and unfortunately the Ministry of Education in its wisdom cut it by $2.87 million.
Now, this is a very serious matter, when you consider that the University of Malaya last year concluded a wage agreement with its general staff, where by the back payment for last year amounted to $400,000 and the increase in salary, which was not ~ntici\'at~ when the University made its bid m the middle of last year, amounts to $450,000.

Now, when you add these 6969 23 MARCH 1966 6970 two figures up, it means that the University will be more in the red by $850,000.
Now, when you have added the $2.87 million to it you will find that the sum is smaller by about $3.7 million to the University for its various programmes this year.

Mr Speaker, Sir, this is a very serious st.ate of affairs.

It is true that out of this $400,000 for back-pay, the University on its run ning last year may have some savings and may be able to meet the bill of $400,000 for back pay for its general staff.
But I can say categorically as a the University Council member of and as a member of its Finance Committee, that it cannot bear this extra load of .· $450,000 by way of increased salaries to its general staff this year.

Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, as I said, this is a very serious state of affairs.

The academic people have gone through an exercise of pruning down wherever possible.

Already, as I have stated before, the staff ratio is about 1:11, generally speaking.
Now, if the Government is not going to supplement its vote of $12.5 million.

it.means that this staff-student ratio will increase and go up to about maybe 1 : 20, and as the House on Monday, I think, you will turn the University of Malaya from a Univer sity into a high school.

Is this what the Minister of Education, or the Assistant.

Minister of Education, or the Assistant Minister of Finance, or the Govern ment wants?
I place the ball at their feet and I do hope that they will think seriously, because, in addition to this serious shortage of staff imposed on the University, there is also this ques tion of the cut in the intake of students, and that again is a matter that I think the Honourable Minister and Honour able Members of this House will find it very difficult when they go back to the kampong and the bumiputeras ask, "Apa macham, Enche', saya telah lulus pepereksaan Sijil Tinggi Cambridge mengapa saya tidak boleh dapat masok University Malaya?
I do hope that the Ministry of Education will seriously take up this matter and help out the University of Malaya.

I can say without fear of contradiction that the University takes extreme care to see that money I have warned is not wasted, unlike other items we see before us today.

Mr Speaker, Sir, when I brought up this question of $2.

7 million, unfortunately, the Minister of Education is coming out from the Development Estimates".

I hope now he is better informed.


then said, "Oh, this When I mentioned the running cost of the Teaching Hospital, the Minister of Health, who is not here now, promptly said "Oh, that comes from the Ministry of Education vote".

So you can see thaj one Ministry is trying to pass the buck on to the other.
In effect, the running of the Teaching Hospital, which we hope will start operation in August or September this year, is borne by the Ministry of Health although the Minister of Health at that time did not know.

However, I regret to say that in last year's estimates there was no pro vision at all-not even a token sum for the University Teaching Hospital.
I do hope that the Minister of Health will get cracking and find out the relevant estimates for starting the Teaching Hospital, other wise we will get a hospital with no staff.

Again the ra' ayat will want to know why the hospital is a costly piece of building, with very costly equipment and with some staff that have already been engaged.

running of the Mr Speaker, Sir, I now come to Parliament Head S. l. Here I regret that.

despite all that has been said in this House.


the Hansard is still out very, very late.

think it was on I Monday that I received a copy of the Hansard for December, 1964.

This is more than one year late.

Now, as for the Hansard for December, 1965, must we wait till the middle of 1967 before we get our Hansard?
Now, in making these remarks, I am by no means criticising the staff concerned, rather I am taking to task the Government for being penny wise, pound foolish, because it has been very stingy in making provision for adequate staff.
particularly on the reporting side, for stenographers; the salary scales are by no means attractive, with the result that even those who come and work here are not, to say the least, up to the mark required, with the result that 6971 23 MARCH 1966 6972 I hate all of us are getting our Hansard very late.

Now, for example, for the last sitting of Parliament, I believe on Monday, the December 10th issue of the provisional Report was sent to us.

So you can see how serious matter the Alliance to remind is.
Government of the efficiency of our neighbour next door.

Down there, the next day you get your Hansard.

I was in Britain in mid-February, and I the House of Commons attended debate.

The next day I saw a verbatim copy of the report.

Mr Speaker, Sir, this is a very serious state of affairs, and I hope that the Government, the provide especially, will Treasury enough funds for Parliament to carry out its duties.
In this connection, Mr Speaker, Sir, I do hope that the staff in this building will send Bills and Parlia mentary papers early to the Press as well.

Now, this is a matter that is very serious.

For example, for this sitting of this House, Members of Parliament got their papers, but I regret to say that at the same time the papers were not given to the Press the Press were given these papers probably two or three days later.
Now, I cannot see any valid reason for sending these papers a little late to the Press, for after all, in any case, the Press are very enterprising people.

They come round M.Ps.

not only here, perhaps up north and down south, and they get the papers anyway.

So, I do hope that the Press will get these Papers pari passu with the M.Ps.
for, after all, if the Press are hamstrung in their work here, and none of the proceedings of this House are reported in the Press, what a tragedy it will be, because then some of the big wigs in the Alliance Party cannot see their the Press and perhaps photos headlines highlighted by the Press.

in Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish to touch on Head 36, item 66, for the to meet an over sum of $5,645 expenditure on the alterations and extension of remand cell in Kuching Prison.
Now, in the past, I have time and again talked of the appalling conditions of these remand cells, not only here but elsewhere.

Recently, I met a British Labour Party Member of Parliament and he told me that way back in 1963, when he was in this country he too was aggrieved at the conditions of these x:emand cells, and he did speak about them to the Government.

Regretfully, I told him that there have been no improvements in these remand cells then as now.

I do hope that the Government will take note.


I do not say that detainees should live in luxury, but they should have at least some of the necessities of life when they are in detention, particularly in Kuala Lumpur.

For example, about four days ago I went to see a detainee at the High Street Police Station, and he told me that for two days his soap, his toothbrush, his towel and his comb have been taken away and for three days he was without all these necessities of life.
Now, I ask Honourable Members whether any one of them can do with out soap, without toothpaste, without toothbrush, comb and towel for even one day.

Now, :Mt- Speaker, Sir, yesterday when we were debating the Internal Security the Honourable Member for Ipoh said that it is not unknown that the Police have interrogated prisoners for twenty hours at a stretch.

I wish to draw the attention of this House to the case of Ng Choon Soo, who was arrested on the 9th March, 1966.

He was arrested at about 2.00 p.m.


He was taken all over the town to see whether he had any subversive documents hidden any where.

Then from 11.00 p.m. on the 9th March to 3.00 p.m. the next day interrogated without any he was break, except for him to take his meal-in front of the Special Branch officers.

(ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM: Shame!)

Now, there were four relays of Special Branch officers interrogating him for sixteen solid hours.
I asked Special Branch officer, who was in the cell, when I spoke to Ng Choon Soo, "Supposing you were interrogated for sixteen hours, do you think you can last that long?"

Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, in that cell that I saw fixing of bright lights with different colours; then you switch on and off these bright lights of different colours and (Amendment) Bill, 6973 23 MARCH 1966 6974 in sixteen hours Ng Choon Soo will go "nuts".
Mr Speaker, Sir, this is a refined form of torture which, to me, is totally unnecessary.

I realise that the Special Branch, or the Police for that matter, must get hot news, but let us have some decency about it.

Do not interrogate a person through out the night throughout the whole morning, and far into the afternoon.

This is a matter I hope the Minister of Home Affairs-I regret he is not here-will take into consideration and, perhaps, berhubong with the Special Branch.
Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, much has been said about this question of funds for the aborigines-Head S. 59- Command Paper 8 of 1966, page 37.

Despite all these "blah blah" that is said in this House and outside, may I ask the Alliance Government What significant benefits have these abori gines, who really should be super bumiputras in this country derived from eleven years of Alliance rule?

Has any one of them got through the Senior Cambridge?

Has there been any vocational school built for them?
Whenever I go up to Cameron High- · 1ands, I see them with their loin cloth walking up and down the roads there.

What efforts have been made to get them to abandon their primitive mode of life and to accept the benefits of civilisation?

On the other hand, I regret to say that every time in this House, whenever the question of Bumiputras or aborigines come up, there this question of religion, religion, religion.
It looks to me that the Alliance Government wants to feed the religion to the aborigines as an opiate to keep them quiet.

is Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish to touch a little on this question of Head S. 7, item 16, Command Paper 8 of 66, page 11, Family Planning Allocation.

Here you have a really Alice in Wonderland situation.

The funds that are asked for come from the Econo mic Planning Unit.
The Minister in charge is the Minister of Education while the person who is most qualified to take care of this should be the Minister the Minister of Health has disqualified for Health-perhaps, himself because he has too large a family.

Whatever it is, I hope that the Alliance Government will not treat this House to such a spectacle of funds the Minister for from Education being charge and the completely Minister ignored.
for Health the E.P.U., Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, I now come to Head S. 65, item 88, Command Paper 8 of 1966, page 39.

This item is Fourth Study Week on Traffic Engineering and Highway Safety.

The sum asked for is $19,000.

I notice that the Minister for Transport is here-it is very appropriate that he should be here-and I hope that he will not jump up and bark at me, because what I have to say is nothing personal.

I wish to draw his attention to a picture in the newspaper of the Minister's car.
You can see from the picture that there is a "no parking" sign there and the heading says "Row over Sardon's Car".

Now in this con nection there are two very serious things; one that you have a Minister's car behind- is from to say is different I am sorry The Minister of Transport (Dato' Haji Sardon): The purpose of this Con the car ference parking.
this, because if the Honourable Member from Batu wants to make a fuss of the car, his car, my car, everybody's car can be in the newspapers Sir, but, please, may I explain that the purpose of the Conference is the study of the roads, the study of traffic engineering,· and matters connected but not parking of cars.

That comes under minor offences.

Summon the offenders.

But if Honourable Member to ridicule this House by referring to my car, his car, why waste time on these cars.
The Police were there to see to the proper parking of cars.

trying is that I hope Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, the Honourable Sir, Minister should not get hot under the collar.

I am not hot under the collar.

I am bringing this to the attention of this House-this concerns highway safety.

Surely, if you park a car in a place where there is a sign "No parking" 6975 23 MARCH 1966 6976 it constitutes a hazard to traffic along that area?
Dato' Haji Sardon: May I clarify, since he is insisting on signs, I am the Chairman of the Malaysian Road Safety Council and as Minister of Transport I sign all orders of these signs before they became effective and legal.

The purpose of putting the sign "No parking" there does not mean that you cannot park for a while for any Minister or Honourable Member or anybody to get out into the Government offices in Penang.
The Honourable Member has been travel ling along that road; that road is so wide; and it does not mean obstruc tion of the road, but obstruction for the people who want to go and do business in the Penang Government offices.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish to make myself very clear lest the Honourable Minister thinks that I am being very personal.

I wish to say right from the outset that I do not hold him responsible for this.
As he himself has stated, he is not responsible and I agree with him that he is not responsible for the acts of his driver.

What I wish to point out is this, Mr Speaker, Sir, when two gentlemen pointed out to a corporal, or a policeman nearby "Apa macham kereta Menteri, kereta Polis di-Raja di-sini?"

Now, the corporal did not take any action and that Mr Speaker, Sir, is a very serious state of affairs, and I do not say that the Minister is responsible for this-far from it.
I do hope Mr Speaker, Sir, the Minister, when such things are drawn to his attention, will at least admonish his driver and say, "Please do not do such things in future".

I am not saying he is responsible, he might well have done this Mr Speaker, Sir.

that Dato' Haji Sardon: I think you would have read in the papers that my driver had been warned and advised every "now and then".

I think you always read the portion interest ing to you but leave out the rest.
This is where the Opposition always mis represents facts to the public.

I think it is not fair to my driver.

I have already admonished him and I have already advised him.

As Minister of Transport I should know and my driver should know that too; but unfortunately when I had just got down naturally he could not drive the car on, otherwise I would be thrown out of the car (Laughter).

this assurance by Dr Tan Chee Khoon: I am very grateful for the Minister.
Not being in Penang at that particular moment I can only see what the Press published as having been said by the Minister.

May I for his information read what is stated here.

The Minister is alleged to have said, "there was no question about my trying to show that the Minister is above the law and could park his car wherever he likes".

Then it says down at the end, "I was unaware of what happened.

It is silly to blame me as if I have driven the car myself".
Mr Speaker, Sir, I agree with him entirely that it is silly to blame him for this misdemeanour of his driver.

I agree with him entirely.

I do not see why he should get hot under the collar.

I am not saying that he is responsible, and here nowhere is it stated that he has admonished his driver.

He might well have, Mr Speaker, Sir, but unfortunately the cruel press did not print it.

Well, Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not wish to tangle with the Minister for Transport any more.
I now come to Head S. 7, item 21, Command Paper 8 of 1966, page 13.

Here a sum of $10,453 is required for the Commission of Enquiry on the Singapore Riots.

To me this is a waste of public funds.


Because of the dilatory action of the Alliance Govern ment this enquiry never got off the launching pad and consequently it is a waste of public funds, and I do hope that in future, if the Alliance Govern ment wishes to hold any enquiry, it should get on with it straightaway instead of dragging and inflicting $10,453 on the tax payers.

Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, I shall close now on a more pleasant note.
I have been reading, I hope Honour able Members can realise by now, very carefully through this Command ,, '" 6977 23 MARCH 1966 6978 Paper, and I looked high and low, and I am delighted that there is no such item as expenditure on ministerial furniture and fittings.

In the past I have castigated the Government for making this ministerial furniture and fittings a permanent feature not only in the Supplementary Supply Bills but also in the Budget for the year.
I do commend to the Ministers, Sir, that, if they think of the sufferings of the ra'ayat of Malaya, they should, in future Supplementary Supply Bill, keep out such items as ministerial furniture and fittings.

Thank you.

Sitting suspended at 11.40 a.m.

Sitting resumed at 11.55 a.m. (Mr Speaker in the Chair).

Finance, and he was immediately challenged by the Singapore Govern ment to disclose the name of this person of Western origin who dared to say that in Singapore that was the practice.
Now, I am not interested in what the practice is in Singapore-Singapore is, today, a different nation-but what I am interested to know is this, and what I would 'like an answer to is, when such an offer was in fact made and that it was in fact made, because the statement made by the Honourable Assistant Minister of Finance was not contra dicted by the Honourable Assistant Minister of Finance at any time in any of the local newspapers.
Therefore, it is only right and proper tltat I assume that such an offer was made by this person of Western origin.

On that basis, I ask these questions: THE SUPPLEMENTARY SUPPLY (1965) BILL Second Reading Debate resumed.

Enche' D. R. Seenivasagam (Ipoh): Mr Speaker, Sir, I rise to say a few words on the Supplementary Supply (1965) Bill.

May I start off with the Treasury.


Recently, some very there was disturbing news which was widely published not only in the Malaysian newspapers but also in the Singapore Radio, Singapore Television, and other various newspapers, wifll regard to an alleged, and I use the word "alleged", offer of improper money to the Assistant Minister of Finance.

Mr ·Speaker, Sir, I am referring to a speech which was made by the Assistant Minister of Finance at Muar to a M.C.A.

gathering, where he disclosed tha!
a certain person of Western origin-I do not know whether he was an European, English man or what he was, but he was of Western origin-had dared to make an offer either to the Party in power, or one of the partners of the Party in power, or the Government, or the Minister, I mean Assistant Minister and here I use the word .. or" because the reports are not clear, but that statement was in fact made by the Honourable Assistant Minister of (1) Was an immediate police report made of an attempt to corrupt either the Government, an official of the Government or a party of the Government, to any police station in Malaysia?
If not, why was no such report made to the Police in this particular case?

(2) We would want, in this House, disclosed the name of this person of Western origin, who dared to offer improper money to either the Government, or a party of the Government, or an individual of the Government of the Federation of Malaysia.
(3) Since this was exposed-and I use the word "exposed"-properly by the Honourable the Assistant Minister of Finance at Muar, what steps have been taken 6y the Police, if any, or the Anti-corrup tion Department, to investigate into this matter, what are the results of the investigations, if any, and is this person of Western origin going to be charged either for actual corruption, or an to corrupt, or under attempt Section 8 of the Prevention of Corruption Ordinance, which is so wide that it would cover so many offences alleged to have been committed by this person of Western origin.
6979 23 MARCH 1966 6980 is not right within Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, speaking on general principles on the Supplementary Bill before us, such a matter should never have been kept private until a meeting at Muar, merely to compare Singapore with the Federation of Malaysia.
It should have been brought to light and brought to light imme diately, because there have been, for the past in this country, allegations that everything the Government of this country, not only in matters of Ministries, but from Ministries right down to the lowest level, and it will be of very great interest to know what the Honourable Assistant Minister of Finance did, when such a daring and blatant offer was made to him.

Did he take immediate steps to report it to the Police?
We in the Opposition have been told, time and again, by Cabinet Ministers, "If you hear of corruption, the proper person to go to is the Police and nobody else," and there is an Anti-Corruption Depart ment, and I would like answers for those questions in due course.
interesting Mr Speaker, Sir, speaking next on this question of Parliament, which my learned friend from Batu raised in that Hansards which come out rather late, it is to note that when Hons<N'ds come out so late, it is difficult for Members of this House to take their minds back and refer to what various Members have been speaking in this House from time to time.
One glaring example, and I give this as a reason why Hansards should come out almost immediately is this : you will remember the question of local elections and the suspension of local elections, where the Honourable Prime Minister made a very fair, just and proper statement, that in view of confrontation, local elections including city, municipal, town and village elections will be suspended for the time being.
Now, the Honour able Prime Minister in his Statement and I remember this, although I do not have that Hansards before me-said this that if a member of a political party resigns, or leaves that council, he will be replaced by a member of the same party, and that was the only statement, with no amplification whatever.

But what has happened today and why is it the that we cannot refer to it?

Because there is no H onsard yet.

We cannot refer to it because the whole situation is entirely different.
The law today is this, that if a member of a political party, belonging to, say, the P.P.P., dies tomorrow, or is declared mentally insane, only in those two cases will that vacant seat be replaced by a member of same party.
But supposing tomorrow a member of the Labour Party wants to go to England to learn law and he cannot get sufficient amount of leave, or he is not granted leave, then his seat becomes vacant, in which case the sole authority to decide who replaces that seat is not the Labour Party, or nominee of the Labour Party, but it is the State Government who decides who shall sit there; and it has happened in Perak that councils under the control of the P.P.P., by men, who have by virtue of necessity have had to leave their place of residence, go to another place of residence and have to resign from the council, not because they are insane, not because they are dead, but because they have to go to somewhere else to work-and what has happened?
The P.P.P.

wrote in and said that we recommend-not one name-we recommend three names; choose any of the three.

What happens?

The State Government says, "Nothing doing.

We choose this M.C.A.

man who was defeated at the last poll.

and we put him there now".

The result being this it is so simple that local councils just change hands.
Elected members' powers are taken away into the hands of nominated members, because it so often happens in local councils as distinct from town councils and municipal councils, that due to pressure of work and to economic reasons members have to resign, change seats time to time, and it is happening.
I do not think it is a good thing; I do not think it is demo cratic process; I do not think the Honourable Prime Minister had that in mind, when he suspended local elections for the duration of confrontaion, and I ask the Minister of Local Government to look into those Regulations once more, so that it can be worked properly and justly.
I know there is a Royal to decide Commission now sitting whether there should be elections at all '"", 6981 23 MARCH 1966 6982 to put back", but at any level, but let us have democracy at least so long as the principle of democracy has been established in this country, and I ask the Honourable Minister urgently to look into that matter, because there are a number of local councils where even, for more than a year.
members who have resigned have not been replaced by the State Government, because the party from whom they resign say, "We want our the State man Government says "Nothing doing.

We want somebody else"-and that some body else usually is the person who has been defeated at the polls and it has been going on that way.

I am sure the Alliance has suffered the same fate as others.

It does not only affect the Opposition members but it affects everybody.
I think that is a matter the Honourable Minister for where Local Government must look into the Regulations which have been passed Regulations under the declaration by the Honourable Prime Minister.

The declaration by the Prime Minister was a fair declaration, and we accepted it in all sincerity, and we hope it will be put right, not only in the case of death or insanity where the member will be replaced by the same party.

Mr Speaker.
Sir, speaking on the question of Local Government and Housing, I would like to stand up in this House and express my very sincere thanks to the Honourable the Minister of Local Government and Housing, and to all others concerned under his Department, the Commis including sioner of the Federal Capital, for the assistance they have given to me, but before I do so under the privileges of Parliament it is my duty to disclose that my interest in this matter was professional, and I have now disclosed that interest and I now proceed to say that I thank them very much indeed on the question of the squatters in Jalan Pekeliling, who were to be cleared within one week for the building up of the pre-fabricated houses.
I was received with courtesy and with promptness.

and very prompt action was taken by all Departments the ultimate result that the whole matter has been satisfactorily settled and the concerned with squatters are very happy and they have, in fact, come and seen me in delegation and asked me to express their apprecia tion to the Ministry and all under the Ministry for the co-operation given to them.
Mr Speaker, Sir, it is that kind of co-operation that perhaps can save democracy in this country from time to time.

Mr Speaker, Sir, however, speaking again on Local Government and Housing-and here, I would like to make it clear that the Honourable the Minister has nothing whatsoever to do with this matter-there is a scandal a in Kuala Lumpur scandal which has reached, I think, every Member of this House in the form of a petition sent by, I think 26 traders in Jalan Haji Hussein, or the Raja Bot market.
town now; Mr Speaker, Sir, this supplementary budget asks for more funds, and the purpose of funds is to improve the town.

Mr Speaker, Sir, this story goes a long way back and, here again, before I say anything, I disclose that I have a professional interest in this matter, and I must disclose that under the Privileges of Parliament Ordinance, because if I do not disclose that, I am not entitled to speak on that, but once I disclose it, I am entitled to speak on it.
Mr Speaker, Sir, my interest in that is professional.

Now, it starts back as early as the 12th October, 1965, at 5.00 p.m., at the Federal Commissioner's Office, where 26 stall-keepers-and the number is important, gentlemen-26 stall-keepers were called for an official meeting.

They went in there with a lawyer-I was not the lawyer at that time.

Minutes of the meeting were duly recorded and I have a copy of those minutes; and I have no doubt that the minutes will be with the Municipality.
Now, the minutes were recorded by the lawyer-all lawyers, I take it, are of good standing, but I say this lawyer was of exceptionally good standing and the minutes make it very, very, very, very clear that these 26 stalls were to be built and to be balloted for by only 26 persons, and nobody else.

I am sorry my figures may be wrong, subject to the correction of the figures, I am 6983 23 MARCH 1966 6984 sure that the Member of the Alliance will correct me later on these figures.
My figures may be wrong but the balloting was for the persons, who attended that meeting, and only for them and nobody else.

That was the decision arrived at on the 12th October, 1965.

The Commissioner of the Federal Capital acted correctly, and I cast no imputation whatsoever on the Commissioner of the Federal Capital.

investigation, The Honourable Member for Bukit Bintang wrote a letter, or several letters, supporting the contention after that only 26 careful persons should draw for these stalls.
The Honourable Member for Bukit Bintang was strongly supported by the State Secretary-I think it was Enche' Yassin.

if I am wrong in the name I apologise to him; I am sorry, it was the Speaker of the Selangor State Legislative Assembly, Enche' Abdul lah Yassin, J.P.; he strongly supported the Member for Bukit Bintang after careful investigation that only these 26 persons were entitled and should be entitled to draw for these 26 sitalls.

Now, when I say 26, again I qualify myself.


I will be corrected, because I have no doubt the Member for Bukit Bintang knows the facts better than I do at these this stage.

Now all people--the Speaker.

the Honourable Member for Bukit Bintang, including Senator T. H. Tan, wrote a letter to the Federal Capital Commissioner say ing "Yes.

these are the 26 people, who should draw for these 26 stalls and nobody else" -because nobody else was in fact entitled to draw.
Now, things went on; stalls were built-as I said it started in 1965; Supplementary Estimates came up, I am sure, for these stalls, as again Supplementary Estimates are here for Local Govem ment.

Then what happens?

The 26 people-and I mention 26 again, subject to correction-each of them received a letter, nobody else; each one of them received a letter saying "Come on a certain date for your draw".

Good enough.
Good enough.

Up to then everybody was happy, and I am sure the Honourable Member for Bukit Bintang was also very happy, because I the they, everything was in order.

Suddenly, and for no reason given, that call for the draw was cancelled, and they were told that the draw had been postponed indefinitely.

So suppose, thought, "Well, what are we to do now?


Let's go back and see either a lawyer or see Members of our consti tuencies", which they did; they tried to guess our reasons; some thought it was perhaps New Year; some thought the Royal it was perhaps because Commission, Mr Speaker, Sir, was sit ting in various parts of the country.

Anyway, that draw was cancelled.

And finally, a draw was fixed for the 9th January, 1966.
Now, important point here-I am not making any allegation against anybody at this stage-the important point here is this : 26 persons-or 34 or whatever the number is, I will be corrected-received notices saying, "Come for your draw on the 9th".

On the 8th night, without any written notice, a Health Inspector, or rather an officer of the Perbandaran, Ibu K~ta, Kuala Lumpur, on the 8th night went and got hold of another about 53 new persons and said "Come for the draw tomorrow."

What was the net result?


How many are you going to draw on the 9th?

53 odd plus the 26 who have been promised in 1965 after an official meeting with the Federal Commissioner that only that and they alone will draw.

Now the result was, the 26 said "Nothing doing.

This is foul play, we are not going to draw.

If you are going to do this, go ahead and draw with the 53, who have not received notices.

We have received our notices, we are the ones entitled to draw, not they."

They said "We are not drawing".


Then they went to a lawyer-Mr Mah Kin Hock & Co.-who wrote a very long letter to the Federal Commissioner and he, finally said that matter would be raised in Parliament.

That is all he said.

Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, on the face of it, there is injustice--1 do not think anybody can deny that but on the face of it there is injustice, which must be put right.

The draw has already taken place.

The 26, who are originally promised a draw who origi nally brought up this plan.
who were originally displaced persons or a1!11ost 6985 23 MARCH 1966 6986 the people in the position of displaced persons, are today without a draw, without a chance to have got into this 26 draw.

Now, when I was engaged profes sionally-and I have disclosed my professional interest to this House-I went to the Federal Commissioner, who was away and, if I may use the name, Enche' Lokman was present there.

He was very accommodating.

Together with the Medical Officer, he said, "What can we do?
The draw has already taken place."

Then, I said that the only thing that I could do is to bring it up in Parliament and ask the Honourable Minister.

In fact, I spoke to the Honourable Minister, who also said that the draw had taken place and, "What can I do?"

Perhaps he is right.


But I do suggest that in a thing like this, where so many persons have interfered-a Senator has interfered, a Member of Parliament quite rightly has interfered, a Speaker of a Legisla tive Assembly has interfered, quite rightly, on behalf of twenty-six per sons-why this sudden change?

What in Kuala Lumpur are saying?

They are not saying one word against the Speaker of the Assembly of Selangor.

But they are saying a lot of things against others, who have interfered in this matter.
They are alleging a lot of things.

They are alleging that there are rich hawkers amongst the fifty-three others who were called for the draw.

What are the inferences you are going to draw from those these things?

Do you want matters to happen in a town, in the Federal Capital-Kuala Lumpur?

We do not want it to happen.

I have tried my best to call both parties for a settlement, but I find that impossible.
Enche' Lokman, if I may use the name, had tried his best, I am sure, to make a settlement, but I think the only per son, who can make a settlement, is the Honourable Minister himself, if he uses his good offices, because, from what I hear, both sides have confidence in him, and I do appeal that this matter be settled, because if it is not settled the next remedy will be, of course, court action.
Whether court action will succeed, whether court action will declare such a draw an invalid draw, where fifty-three persons without letters were called to draw, where twenty-six with letters to be mixed with twenty six with official letters to draw will be valid or invalid, is a matter which only the court can decide.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I say that it is a disgrace that it could have happened in the Federal Capital.
At the present moment, again I say that through the good offices and kindness of officials, nobody is occupying these stalls.

There is no trouble.

But if anybody is going to occupy them, I am sure there is going to be trouble.
The area is such-the Member for Bukit Bintang will be able to confirm it, it is such an area, tempers are very, very high, and I do hope that until this matter is solved, either by the Honourable Minister himself or his delegates, these stalls will be kept vacant so that there can be no question of civil commotion, or civil disturbance, or whatever you would like to call it.

That is my plea and I am going to hold on.


While I was engaged for a specific purpose, I told my men, "Wait, this is a matter which we should try to settle at least by negotiation with the proper autho rities".

I have brought it up to this House.

I hope this House can do some thing to solve this problem.

It is not a major problem.


It is a small problem which has turned into a major problem, because if you can see the number of letters from Senator T. H. Tan going down to so many other persons, in fact, the country will be shocked.

Words such as "Alliance supporters", "Socialist Front suppor ters", "Peoples' Progressive Party sup porters"-!

do not know whether there is even one P.P.P.

supporter in Kuala Lumpur this area-such in things are mentioned in these letters.
Is that the way the Alliance Govern ment works?

Only Alliance supporters are supposed to draw.

The Member for Bukit Bintang, I am sure, will not agree with me that only Alliance supporters are going to draw.

If that is so, it will happen all over this country.

It does not happen in Ipoh, I assure this House.

It does not happen, I am sure in Penang.

And is that going to happen in lpoh?


Is it twenty-six are perhaps because living think the I - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 6987 23 MARCH 1966 6988 the twenty-six?

Socialist Front supporters that subse quently fifty-three were called in to I am overwhelm making no allegation.

I am only saying what is here.


But I suggest these matters should not happen in any democratic country, not as far as working men are concerned, men who are trying to earn a few cents a day for their wives and children to live, and I do hope that .

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Enche' Khaw Kai-Bob: On a point of clarification.

The fact the Alliance has intervened in this matter, that the twenty-six have not been given the chance to ballot, shows that the Alliance Government does not take decision on political grounds.
that Enche' D. R. Seenivasagam: Very perfectly correct.

The Honourable Minister did not make any decision on political grounds.

But documents can be produced, photostat copies can be produced where-I do not say the Minister, I do not say the Member for Bukit Bintang-somebody else have said that one of these twenty-six are Socialist Front men, and it is they who should be condemned.

I am not condemning· the Ministry.

I am not condemning the Commissioner.


I am condemning the men who interfered, who have no right to interfere in the first place.

They have the Member for Bukit Bintang who investigated it, and the Speaker of the Selangor Legisla tive Assembly it.

Why brin~ in political affiliations into the pickmg of a stall in the market place?
I am sure even the Minister for Local Government and Housing will agree that that is not desirable; and if I gave the impression that the Minister made such a decision, then I must surely say I am sorry for it, but I never did, and I do not think anybody in this House will say I said so.

But others have done so, and people are beginning to talk, and I do hope that this matter can be settled, and I also hope that it should be settled as early as possible.
investigated Mr Speaker, Sir, I was going to speak on the supplementary estimates for the Judiciary.

Mr Speaker, Sir, in the near future, there will be a number of judges to be appointed for which supplementaries are asked.

There will be a number of changes in high office in the Judiciary, and up till today, I think, Malaysia can boast that we have had a Judiciary which has been independent, from the magistracy right up to the highest court of this land.
It is, I think, vital that we, as represen tatives of this House, should hold the independence of the Judiciary very dear and very close to our hearts.

Now, it is with regret, and many of us know, that some very high judges will be leaving this country soon.

They will have to be replaced.

When they are replaced, naturally, other replacements will have to go on-from stage to stage.
Now, I only make this appeal to the Honourable Minister of Justice: let us make those appointments on merit; let us make them on seniority; let us make them on capabilities; let us put aside any feeling whatsoever of racialism, or other considerations which the Govern ment may have in mind (but which I cannot even consider them having in mind) : let us hope that the best men will be put in the best place, that the men who should sit on the highest seat of the Judiciary will sit on the highest seat of the Judiciary.
Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not think I can pass the question of the Judiciary without saying this: that as far as the magistracy is con cerned, where supplementary votes are asked for various things, some courts, are still in a very, if I may use the phrase, "terrific condition", where it is impossible to conduct a case properly because of the discomfort-suddenly the arm of your chair breaks down, suddenly you find yourself sitting with out one arm or no arm rest, you find your hands insufficient, you find the whole place filthy, unclean, and you find no library at all in those courts.
I ask that from these supplementary estimates something be done to put these courts which are in such a bad state to a better condition where lawyers, judges and staff can properly administer the working of the courts.

Mr Speaker, Sir, if I may have one moment, I have a question on Head 60.

Works and Buildings, again under Local Government.


Many disturbing factors have come to light from my experience in lpoh and I wish to bring 6989 23 MARCH 1966 6990 the and is good, it possible, them to the notice of the Honourable the Minister.

I think it will be more appropriate to be works under the Minister of Works.
Now bridges are built, roads are built, but as one drives up and down, as I do so often you find that every day there are repairs going on, every day almost the same places built today, next week, or next month another repair is carried on.

I was this wondering myself how does happen, how is if the specifications are good, if the work done tenders are if scrutinised tendered properly how can it happen?
It happens Mr Speaker, Sir, because, say I this in this House, there is cheating amongst contractors, who build the these bridges.

Such a roads and thing came to light and came to light very prominently in lpoh, where Jalan Datoh bridge was to be built.

There was a slight difference in the tender and as usual we accepted the lowest tender, not being so much lower than others that it was ridiculous.
He was supposed to put in wood which would last many years-I think my Honourable colleague also a Member of the Municipal Council of Ipoh will confirm it.

He put in wood which would last not even for two years, saving thereby thousands and thousands of dollars.
We have asked him to remove every bit of that wood and replace it with a proper hard wood the which we sent for analysis proper Forestry Department, and I do suggest that the Minister in charge, where he finds that there are constant repairs required to bridges from time to time, take similar action even if it destroys him, even if it kills him, and even if it turns him into bankruptcy that contractor.

It is no business of ours and no concern of ours.


He must put in the wood, or the concrete which he tendered for, and I do ask that all .

Ministers take proper action to see that from time to time checks are made; and here I will say this that experts should be employed for these checks.
In lpoh for example, we have our engineers, who are experts but not experts in the field of woods and it was only through a stroke of luck that one of the engineers decided to check to by on this wood and after checking on the wood, it was proved not by our the Department but proved Forestry Department that it was a wrong wood which was used and not the wood specified in our contracts.

I ask that the Ministries do the same thing, then you will find that there will be less repairs.
less expense and there will be less, perhaps, accidents on roads in Malaysia.

there will be Mr Speaker, Sir, whilst the Royal Commission, and a supplementary esti mate is asked for, has been going round country getting views as to whether local authorities should exist, they have gone to large towns, they have gone to small towns, they have got various views.
I hope that those views will be tabled before this House as early as possibe and debated in this House, and that before any imple mentation of those views, whatever they may be, whether for the continued existence of local elections, or the discontinuance of local elections.

I think it is a matter big enough, or sufficient magnitude, to be put to the public at a general election, before any change local authority election method is effected.
It is big enough and sufficient enough to go as general issue before the general public at the general election to Parliament before any changes are considered in local authorities.
in Now I would like to conclude by saying that the people of lpoh and Malaysia, and Malaya in particular, are very thankful to the Honourable Minister for Local Government and Housing for his renewed, continued assurances that there was no intention on the part of the Cabinet, or the Government to do away with local the elections, but provision of the Royal Commission was to see how local authorities could better work between State, Federal and Parliament.
intention of the Mr Speaker, Sir, with regard to what my learned friend from Dato Kramat said about police I think it is so common a practice that even judges have commented that, that they have accepted it that the police interrogation, 6991 23 MARCH 1966 6992 do interrogate for continued hours, and long hours of interrogation, with the net result that I would say 7 out of 10 confessions are thrown out of court as waste paper.
Is that any sign of demo cracy in this country, or is it a sign that democracy is slowly but surely being destroyed in this country?

Are we going to allow the police to continue with this method, or are we going to put a stop to it?

Are we going to allow the police to wallop people in the Police stations?

Are we going to allow Police officers to go to massage parlours and say "You girl, come with me, otherwise I am going to break up this massage parlour"?

And it has happened in Kuala Lumpur town.


Or are we going to stop it?

I suggest we, as a Parliament, must stop it, and we can only stop it if only our Honourable Minister will investigate this matter thoroughly and take action against officers.

Do not wait until the public take them to court.

The public has not got the money to do it in the first place.

If they want to do it, they got to engage lawyers.


Lawyers are expensive-I see a member laughing and Members of the Public should not be put into that expense.

When reports go to the Ministers of malpractices by the police, investi gation should be commenced imme diately.

Now, recently I wrote, Mr Speaker, Sir, speaking again on the Supplementary Estimates, I wrote a letter to the Honourable the Deputy Prime Minister about certain allega tions of in Ayer land allocation Tawau, Perak.
The letter was referred to the Menteri Besar, Perak.

I am quite satisfied with that.

I am quite satisfied that there will be an inquiry, and I will get a reply in due course.

Now, it is that kind of action that we want-immediate action, quick action-so there can be no falsifying of evidence, or bringing in perjured evidence at any trials.
that Mr Speaker, Sir, it was very heart ening for me at least to read in the newspapers, and for many people to read in the newspapers, the assurance given by the Honourable the Deputy Prime Minister that he was not anti Chinese, that he was not anti-anybody, then there but that he was a Malaysian and ready to work for the Malaysians.

But many have asked the question: Is that an indication that the Prime Minister is going to give up the reins of office earlier than expected?

Now, I hope it is not so.


But whatever it is, we are glad to hear that as well, and we hope-and we have a right to expect that an assurance given by the Deputy Prime Minister will be kept and that all races in this country will be treated fairly, if and when the Honourable the Deputy Prime Minister, takes over the reins of Prime Minister of this country.

Mr Speaker, Sir, it becomes important, because where is is confidence.
there equality Where there is confidence that there is equality, then you get confidence that the Judiciary will treat the people equally; and when you have that feeling that you have the Judiciary as the referee, between the people and the State, then the country is all right.

But, if you break down the confidence that the Judiciary is there, if I may the watchman use between the State and the people then, of course, the whole system of demo cracy breaks down.
And I do hope that that assurance will be repeated more and more time, so that more and more people may be satisfied that if the Opposition does not get power-we hope to get power of course, but if we do not get power then we would want the new Prime Minister, whoever he may be-we hope our present Prime Minister will remain a long time-but if there is going to be a new Prime then we would Minister, this assurance repeated again and again so that the people will be more and more convinced.
However, in the next General Election we hope that as a united Opposition, which we hope will come into being, we may take over power; and if we do, then of course the situation will be entirely different where there will be no question of inequality.

There will be a racial question of absolute racial equality.
the word, as like Dato' Lim Beng Siew (Sarawak): Mr Speaker, Sir, I must thank the Alliance Government for providing the 6993 23 MARCH 1966 6994 additional sum of $311,500 for Educa tion in Sarawak for the year 1965.

And I am sure no right thinking people will say that the Government is wrong for having advanced this sum from for the Contingencies Fund those very needful items as specified under Head S. 20.
Sir, this House is asked to approve this additional expenditure because, as the Minister has put it, the original voted provision in the 1965 Estimate to be has been found inadequate owing the expansion of to largely education in Sarawak.

turnover tax period for one year, that is to base on the account of 1966 instead of 1965.

Mr Speaker, Sir, under Head S. 36 much money has been spent on build ing prisons to cope with the ever increasing number of prisoners in most parts of Malaysia.
Sir, to survive this the situation I would Government to our new King to grant amnesty to all lesser crimes on his prisoners of accession to the throne.

like to recommend to ask Sir, I support the Bill.

I In think this connection the Alliance Government should be proud of this evidence of progress in the field of education in Sarawak in 1965.

It is a comfort that such progress has been made despite Indo nesian Confrontation.
to know this opportunity But, of course, this does not mean that we can indulge in complacency.

Our task of nation building is still at its beginning.

Malaysia First Five Year Plan has been launched and, as one from Sarawak, I would like to take the Government to accelerate the speed of our development work and, as far as Sarawak is concerned, more attention should be given to our special needs.
For instance, in Sarawak our basic economy still lies mainly in agriculture and, therefore an Agricultural College will be an answer to our urgent requirements.

to urge So, we hope that while the Govern ment implements its expansion scheme in general education in Sarawak, the establishment of an plans for Agricultural College there will be considered to meet our particular needs.
Sir, under Head S. 30 I would like to appeal to the Honourable Minister of Finance to reconsider the method of the payment of the turnover tax to be payable quarterly instead of once only at the end of the year.

This is a request made by all the Chambers of Commerce in Sarawak.

There is also the a the Minister of Finance the Honourable to defer request to to the the join Enche' Amadeus Mathew Leong (Sabah): Sir, I rise to support the Sup_plementary Bill.
Touching on Head S. 20 concerning Education for Borneo States, I wish to draw the attention of this House and that of the Honourable Minister concerned, particularly, that the teaching profession in Sabah is on the point of losing its ordinary attrac tion, due to the fact that the salary teachers is scales allocated for much less attractive than that for the employees of other Government De partments and business firms.
For example, a school leaver with an Overseas Senior School Certificate, who wishes teaching profession has to undergo a two-year training in a Training College and during which period the trainee only receives $15 monthly pocket money besides the provision of free lodging, free tuition and food.

A successful candidate after completing the two year training will only receive a basic salary of $260 per month : whereas one with similar academic qualifica tions.
who the Police Force receives $290 basic salary per month as a probationary Inspector to begin with.

The Medical Department offers $170 basic salary per month for a Nursing Trainee who, if successful, after three years training will be paid $395 per month as basic salary.

Business firms usually off er $300 per month as a starting salary for a successful applicant with equivalent academic So, Mr qualifications.
Speaker, Sir, unless the Honourable Minister concerned and the Minister for Finance, have already taken steps joins 6995 23 MARCH 1966 6996 of revising and improving the salary mcngambil peluang berbahath men scales for these people in particular, genai Rang Undang2 yang di-kemuka in order to make it more competitive kan dalam Dewan ini.

one can imagine what is the quality and the grade of material, our Gaya College in Sabah will be getting in future.
Actually, some qualified teachers have already expressed their intention of leaving their present job for better pay.

For the sake of the educational progress in Sabah, I call upon the Honourable Minister to take necessary the and urgent steps salary scales for in particular.

Thank you, Sir.

to these teachers improve Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid (Sebe rang Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun untok menyokong perun tokan Tambahan Perbelanjaan yang di bentangkan dalam Dewan Yang Ber hormat ini.
Di-samping itu saya ingin lah memberi sadikit pendapat saya, yang pertama mengenai Head S. 1- Parlimen.

Saya ia-itu Bahasa telah semak Bill atau pun Rang Undang2 yang telah di-bentang kan kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat Dewan Ra'ayat sakalian dan saya dapati tidak satu pun Rang Undang2 itu di-chap dalam Bahasa Kebangsaan.
Dalam Meshuarat Belanjawan yang lalu saya dapati beberapa Rang Undang2 yang di-chap dalam dua lnggeris dan bahasa Bahasa Kebangsaan tulisan Rumi, di antara-nya ia-lah Rang Undang2 men genai MARA, Rang Undang2 mengenai: Pemulehan Tanah dan beberapa Rang Undang2 yang lain lagi.

Satu Rang Undang2 mengenai Pendaftaran Kom pani yang di-kemukakan oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Perdagangan dan Perusahaan di-chap dalam Bahasa Kebangsaan.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, banyak di-antara Ahli2 Yang Berhor mat dalam Dewan ini yang tidak tahu Bahasa lnggeris.
Bagi pehak mereka itu saya merayu-lah kapada pehak yang berkenaan supaya masa hadapan di chapkan Bill atau Rang Undang2 ini dalam dua bahasa ia-itu Bahasa Ing geris dan Bahasa Kebangsaan supaya dapat-lah Ahli2 Yang Berhormat Dewan Ra'ayat yang tidak tahu Bahasa lnggeris mengikuti bahatban2 dan juga itu tujuan Rang Undang2 Yang kedua, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya dapati banyak sungutan2 daripada orang2 kampong yang mengatakan berapa banyak Rang Undang2 yang di luluskan oleh Dewan Ra'ayat dan Dewan Negara dan di-sahkan tetapi mereka tidak ketahui apa-kah maksud dan tujuan dan kapada siapa kah yang di-tujukan Rang Undang2 yang di-luluskan itu.
Chuma manakala Dewan ini bersidang membahathkan satu Rang Undang2 hari yang kedua nya di-keluarkan dalam surat2 khabar sahaja dan di-beri laporan dalam Radio dan Talivishen.
Jadi, saya berharap lah, untok hendak memberi peluang kapada sakalian ra'ayat jelata mema hami Rang Undang2 yang di-luluskan oleh Parlimen, maka patut-lah sangat satu ranchangan khas di-siarkan dalam Radio dan Talivishen dan di-ulang beberapa kali di-atas satu2 Rang Undang2 menjelaskan dan memberi keterangan kapada ra'ayat jelata apa kah maksud Rang Undang2 itu dan apa-kah itu, kapada siapa-kah di-kenakan dan sa kira-nya orang tidak mengikut Undang2 apa-kah salah-nya dan apa-kah buku man-nya.
Jadi dengan chara macham ini dapat-lah ra'ayat jelata kita faham dan tahu sa-benar-nya satu2 Rang Undang2 yang di-luluskan dalam Parli jelata.

Jadi men mengenai dengan sa-chara yang demikian, saya mengbarapkan supaya J abatan Radio dan Kementerian Penerangan dan Pen yiaran akan membuat ranchangan khas dan ulangkan beberapa kali supaya ra'ayat jelata dapat tahu dan faham mengenai Rang Undang2 itu.
Kebanya kan ra'ayat kita membuat beberapa kesalahan sebab mereka itu tidak tahu dan tidak faham untok hendak menge Iakkan daripada melakukan beberapa kesalahan maka molek sangat-lah kita memberi penjelasan kapada mereka Rang Undang2 yang di-Iuluskan, dan untok memberi fahaman lebeh2 lagi patut di-adakan satu forum dalam Talivishen dan dalam Radio supaya sa-saorang itu menyoalkan apa-kah Rang Undang2 ini di-maksudkan dan sa-orang lagi akan menjawab, dengan chara macham ini dapat-lah orang kita ra'ayat 6997 23 MARCH 1966 6998 mengikuti atau memahami dengan sa penoh2-nya Rang Undang2 yang hendak di-luluskan.
Yang Ketiga, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya ingin berchakap di-atas Head S. 13 mengenai Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama.

Saya dapat tahu bahawa Kementerian ini sedang menyusun satu Rang Undang2 mengenai persatuan peladang.

Dalam negara kita ini banyak-lah di-antara peladang2 yang dudok di-luar2 bandar yang mengha rapkan supaya dapat perubahan yang besar dalam kehidupan mereka itu.
Jadi Rang Undang2 ini saya mengha rapkan supaya di-buat dengan satu chara yang boleh memberi galakan dengan sa-penoh-nya kapada petani2 untok masok menjadi ahli persatuan lagi bagi persatuan2 peladang dan peladang ini dapat-lah Kerajaan mem buat beberapa ranchangan memberi bantuan melalui' persatuan2 ini.
Oleh kerana pada masa sekarang ini sung goh pun penubohan persatuan peladang ini muda, jadi tidak dapat bergerak dengan chergas kerana ada di-antara petani2 kita mengatakan saya kalau tidak masok persatuan peladang pun saya boleh mendapat bantuan baja, saya boleh dapat tractor, bantuan ubat penchegah seranga, pam ayer dan lain2 lagi.

Jadi, dengan chara ini petani2 enggan masok persatuan peladang.
Oleh yang demikian saya berharap supaya Yang Berhormat Menteri mengadakan satu Undang2 bahawa sa barang bantuan kapada petani2 mesti lah melalui' persatuan peladang yang di-tubohkan di-sa-sabuah kampong, dengan chara ini dapat-lah petani2 ini menghampirkan diri mereka itu kapada persatuan peladang mereka dan per satuanz ini bergerak lebeh chergas dan lebeh maju lagi dari satu masa ka-satu masa.
Kerana saya yakin dan perchaya dengan melalui persatuan peladang ini lah dapat nasib petani2 itu di-bela dan di-baiki.

Ada beberapa orang Ahli Yang Ber hormat daJam Dewan ini telah menye butkan mengenai pemasaran padi yang mana pelani2 kita tidak mendapat harga padi yang sa-penoh-nya.

Dan sa kira-nya di-bandingkan dengan harga barang2 yang lain maka: kita dapati harga padi yang di-tetapkan sa-banyak $16 sa-pikul itu sangat-lah rendah.
Oleh yang demikian, saya berharap sa kira-nya Kerajaan hendak menaikkan taraf hidup petani2 kita maka Kerajaan patut-lah menaikkan harga padi itu daripada $16 jadi $20 sa-pikul.
Ini ada lah satu chara yang boleh petani2 itu dapat harga yang baik atau lebeh baik lagi daripada pada masa sekarang dan mereka akan lebeh2 berusaha untok menanam padi, tidak payah hendak di-gunakan kuasa yang keras untok memberi galakan kapada mereka ber usaha di-atas tanaman padi ini, lama kelamaan kita akan menjadi sa-buah negara yang chukup bahan makanan untok sara hidup kapada pendudok2 kita sakalian.

Mr Speaker: Persidangan ini di tempohkan sa-hingga pukul 4 petang ini.

Sitting suspended at I p.m.


Sitting resumed at 4 p.m. (Mr Speaker in the Chair).

EARLIER ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE (MOTION) Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move: That notwithstanding (1), the provisions of Standing Order 12 the House shall adjourn this evening at 6.30 p.m. instead of 8.00 p.m. Enche' Suleiman bin Bolon: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.


Resolved, That notwithstanding (1), the provisions of Standing Order 12 the House shall adjourn this evening at 6.30 p.m. instead of 8.00 p.m.

THE SUPPLEMENTARY SUPPLY (1965) BILL Second Reading Debate resumed.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid: Dato' Yang di-Pertua, dalam uchapan saya sa-belah pagi tadi saya telah menyentoh mengenai kenaikan harga padi.
Saya 6999 23 MARCH 1966 7000 sedar bahawa pehak Kementerian Per dagangan telah memperuntokkan wang untok menampong rugi membeli beras ,,dari luar negeri dengan lebeh murah dan membeli beras daripada kilang2 dalam negeri kita ini lebeh mahal.

ini memang sudah ada, Peruntokan chuma di-kehendaki di-tambah lagi supaya harga padi ini dapat di-beli dengan harga sa-banyak $20 sa-pikul.
Saya perchaya, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, kalau harga beras ini di-naikkan dari pada $1.50 sa-gantang jadi $1.80 sa gantang, tidak akan memberi keberatan kapada orang2 yang makan beras dan sa-kira-nya pehak Kementerian Per dagangan menahan kemasokan beras yang mahal, sa-bagaimana beras Siam yang harga-nya $2 lebeh sa-gantang, maka boleh-lah pehak Kementerian Pertanian ini mengusahakan supaya dapat menanam padi yang mana mutu beras-nya sama dengan mutu beras yang di-bawa masok daripada negeri Siam.
Sa-bagaimana kita tahu, bahawa nasib petani2 kita sangat-lah susah, sa tengah2-nya menderita sa-hingga ter paksa menahan anak2 mereka itu ka-Sekolah melanjutkan pelajaran Aneka Jurusan atau Sekolah Menengah tidak mampu mereka oleh kerana membeli buku2 untok anak2 mereka itu.

Jadi, sa-patut-nya dapat pehak Kerajaan memberi atau membeli barang2 tanaman daripada basil titek peloh mereka itu dengan lebeh mahal supaya dapat-lah mereka itu memper taraf hidup peladang2 kita baiki sakalian.

Baharu2 .
Baharu2 .

ini saya dengar bahawa pehak Kementerian Pertanian sedang satu undang2 mengenai: mcnyusun penubohan persatuan2 nelayan.

Saya .

men yam but ranchangan mengadakan undang2 mengenai: penubahan persa tuan2 nelayan.

Ini ada-lah satu perkara yang sangat mustahak supaya dapat sakalian nelayan2 di-asoh, di-arah dan di-beri latehan atau tunjok ajar supaya dapat mereka itu memperbaiki taraf hidup-nya.
Kita sakalian tahu bahawa kehidupan mereka ini, kalau di-ban dingkan dengan kehidupan orang 2 lain, sangat-lah jauh beza-nya.

Dan saya mengharapkan supaya undang2 persa tuan nelayan ini membolehkan nelayan2 sa-bagaimana urusan menjalankan sharikat kerjasama ia-itu dengan ber dasarkan kapada "multi-purpose co operative society" sa-bagaimana di jalankan di-negeri2 yang maju saperti di-Taiwan, yang , saya sendiri telah melawat dan melihat.
Bagitu juga per satuan2 peladang di-sana menjalankan dengan sa-chara sharikat · kerjasama yang berdasarkan kapada multi-purpose co-operative society di-bawah undang2 persatuan peladang dan persatuan nelayan.

Sharikat kerjasama di-sana di beri peluang hanya untok menjalankan urusan sharikat kerjasama bagi satu perkara sahaja, mithal-nya, penanaman pisang, pemasaran pisang dan lain2.

Dengan ini dapat-lah nelayan dan ahli2 Persatuan Peladang kita menekmati kehidupan dalam negara kita yang maju ini.
Pagi yang di-tanam tadi saya telah mendengar jawapan daripada Yang Berhormat Menteri Pertanian mengenai kemaso kan beras dan pemasaran padi, yang beliau akan berunding dengan Menteri Perdagangan supaya dapat kedua2 itu bekerjasama untok memperbaiki dan memperkemaskan lagi chara2 mema sokkan beras dan mengeluarkan per mit.

Saya lihat di-negara yang maju barang2 di-dalam negeri, maka barang2 demikian itu tidak di-benar di-bawa masok ka dalam negeri.
Kementerian Pertanian lah yang mengeluarkan permit sa banyak mana beras yang boleh di-bawa masok dan sa-banyak mana buahan2 yang boleh di-bawa masok supaya dapat Kementerian ini mengator dan menyusun kelolaan makanan2 jangan terlebeh banyak dan jangan terlebeh ini kurang.

Saya berharap perkara dapat di-laksanakan supaya Kemen terian Perlanian ini dapat berjalan lebeh baik.

ia-itu mengenai Saya hendak berchakap atas Kepala S. 14--Kementerian Perdagangan dan Perusahaan taraf perintis.
Saya harap Yang Berhormat Menteri akan kajikan chara2 pemberian permit atau lesen taraf perintis.

Saya di-beri tahu ada kilang2 perusahaan yang dapat taraf perintis ini sa-olah2- nya untok mengisikan benda2 yang sudah siap di-buat di-luar negeri di masokkan ka-dalam kotak atau pun di dalam bungkusan.

J adi dengan chara 7001 23 MARCH 1966 7002 itu mesti-lah ini bukan-lah berma'ana benda itu di buat di-dalam negeri kita sendiri.
Yang sa-elok2-nya rumusan untok yang hendak di-champorkan menjadikan benda di-masokkan ka-dalam negeri dan sa-sudah di champorkan baharu-lah di-masokkan ka-dalam kotak, dan di-chapkan dan di-bungkuskan dan di-jualkan.

Chara memasokkan barang yang hampir2 siap ka-dalam negeri ini ia-lah sa bagaimana yang kita katakan satu chara bukan chara pembuatan barang2 itu.
Saya harap Yang Berhormat Menteri akan kaji perkara ini supaya dapat di-baiki mudahan2 banyak lagi jentera2 boleh di-adakan dalam kilang2 itu dan mem bolehkan banyak lagi penganggor2 kita bekerja di-sana.

pemasangan sahaja sa-buah sharikat Saya berasa sangat dukachita atas satu perkara yang berlaku di-tempat saya di-kawasan Mak Mandin di-mana Kerajaan Negeri telah menghadkan sa bidang tanah untok tempat perusahaan di-Mak Mandin.
Ada tanah2 itu telah sharikat2 pun di-untokkan kapada yang memohon unt9k mengadakan kilang perusahaan sendiri dan yang sa-tengah-nya sudah pun di-jalankan.

ia-itu di Ada namakan Sharikat United Malayan Flour Mill Co. Ltd. Modal-nya 100% daripada warga negara kita yang mana Kementerian Perdagangan enggan hendak memberi taraf perintis.

Maka pehak pengarah2 itu berikhtiar menchari modal sendiri untok men sendiri.
Tetapi dirikan kilang-nya baharu2 sa-sudah pelan2 per tapakan dan pelan2 bangunan di sahkan oleh Majlis Daerah dan ju.ga tahu bahawa saya di-beri Negeri, mereka tidak dapat permit untok alat2 kilang hendak memasokkan mereka yang mereka telah pun pesan di-luar negeri.
Saya berharap Yang Berhormat Menteri chuba-lah dengan sa-berapa daya-nya memberi sa-penoh2 galakan dan bantuan supaya kilang ini dapat di-dirikan di-Mak Mandin dan dapat mengambil beberapa ramai lagi pekerja2 di-sana kerana kilang ini ia lah bertujuan hendak mengisarkan tepong supaya gandum menjadikan tepong kapada ini kilang2 buat biskut yang mana ber selerak chawangan-nya dalam negara di-peredarkan ini ini.

Itu-lah tujuan yang utama kita kilang2 ini.


itu siang Saya ingin berchakap di-atas S. 32 mengenai: Kementerian Kesihatan.

Saya baharu2 ini berasa sukachita menden gar bahawa lebeh kurang 40 doktor2 daripada Korea Selatan datang ber khidmat dalam negara kita ini.

Tetapi yang saya berasa sadikit tidak puas hati ia-lah oleh kerana sa-orang doktor sangat2 mustahak untok di yang di-Butterworth Hospital tempatkan tidak di-beri.
Pada masa lawatan Yang Berhormat Menteri dahulu, Yang Berhormat telah pun memberi akuan sa-kira-nya dapat doktor, beliau akan menempatkan sa-orang supaya tanggong-jawab doktor2 meringankan di-sana yang bekerja dan malam-2 orang sahaja yang melayan orang luar yang datang mengambil ubat, kadang2-nya sa-hingga 1,000 orang dan tempat tidor ada 120 selalu nya penoh dan tempat beranak ada 10 yang selalu-nya penoh.

Saya berasa sangat-lah kasehan kapada doktor2 ini.


Saya berharap Yang Berhormat Men teri akan memberi pertimbangan dan doktor menghantar ka-Butterworth Hospital dengan sa-chepat mungkin lihat ada di-setengah2 kerana saya hospital sa-bagaimana di-Kuala Lum pur ini sa-hingga sa-ramai 70 doktor dan bagaimana-kah chara mereka itu bekerja kalau di-banding dengan hos pital kechil di-Butterworth.
Kerja ingat saya doktor lebeh2 lagi daripada berlipat ganda doktor yang berkhidmat di-Rumah Sakit Besar Kuala Lumpur ini.

di-Butterworth Akhir-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya ingin mendapat penjelasan dari pada Yang Berhormat Menteri Pela jaran mengena'i satu perkara ia-itu Pengerusi Juma'ah Pengurus Sekolah Rendah St.

Mart, Butterworth.
Mart, Butterworth.

Dalam masa yang pertama saya menjadi wakil Yang Berhonnat Menteri dalam meshuarat itu, saya telah pun bertanya kapada Pengerusi-"Kerana apa Pe ngerusi Juma'ah Pengurus ini tidak di lantek oleh ahli2 Juma'ah Pengurus?"

Jawab-nya ada satu undang2 yang mengatakan Sekolah Anglican yang mana pengembang Kristian Anglican Church ini, Pengerusi Juma'ah Pengu rus-nya di-lantek oleh LQ{Q lli~hqp-nya 7003 23 MARCH 1966 7004 saya dan tetap berkhidmat sa-bagai Penge rusi sa-lama2.
Manakala semak Undaing2 Peratoran mengenai Pentadbiran Sekolah.

:._Jnstrument of Management di-situ, ada tersebut bahawa Pengerusi manakala sampai masa-nya akan di pileh oleh Ahli2 Jemaah Pengurus.

Jadi, berlawanan dengan Instrument of Management of fully aided school.
Jadi, saya berharap-lah supaya Yang ini mengkaji Berhormat Meilteri perkara ini, sama ada perkara itu benar yang mana satu undang2 , atau perjanjian telah di-buat bahawa sekolah bantuan penoh yang di selenggarakan oleh Anglican Church, khas-nya di-sekolah saya St. Mark Primary School, bahawa Pengerusi di lantek oleh Lord Bishop buat sa-lama2 - nya.

Sa-kira-nya perkara itu berlaku, harus-lah bantuan sa-penoh yang kita berikan itu tidak memberi kesan ka pada sekolah yang sa-macham itu.
Saya perchaya, boleh jadi ada undang2 itu dahulu sa-belum sekolah itu mendapat bantuan penoh, tetapi manakala menerima bantuan yang penoh, maka mereka mesti mengikut peratoran dan undang2, atau arahan daripada Kementerian, tidak lagi meng ikut undang2 dan perentah daripada Lord Bishop sendiri.

Jadi, saya berharap supaya Yang Berhormat Menteri dapat memberi ketegasan atas perkara ini supaya dapat saya kemukakan kapada Jemaah sama ada Pengurus akan datang, undang2 itu ada, atau tidak ada.
Sekiain-lah sahaja.

Dr Mahathir bin Mohamad (Kota Star Selatan): Mr Speaker, Sir, before going on to the other Heads, I would like to say just a few words regarding the award of Honorary Degrees, about which the Member for Batu has made that this some comments.

He feels award of Honorary Degrees is an infringement of the autonomy of the University of Malaya.

I believe he says this, because he seems to base every thing on what is practised in England and in other Commonwealth countries.
We, having been independent since 1957, should begin to think in our own way and to suit ourselves, and I feel that in most independent countries it is the practice to award Honorary Degrees to various visiting Heads of States.
This is something that will help to cement the friendship between coun tries, and if there is no difficulty about the National University of Korea in awarding an Honorary Degree to our Prime Minister, I do not see why there should be any difficulty about awarding an Honorary Degree to the Head of State of Korea.
The only objection, as far as I can see, is that this is not the practice in English universities and in other Common wealth universities which follow the English tradition, but I do not think that, traditions of English universities conflict with our national interests, we should follow the tradi tions of English universities.

I would, therefore, laud the Federal Government in awarding the Honorary Degree to the Head of State of Korea.
the if Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya ingin berchakap sadikit berkenaan dengan Head S. 65 ia-itu berkenaan dengan Kementerian ya'ani bersangkut dengan taxi di-station keretapi di-Kuala Lumpur.
J>engangkutan, di-ator Saya telah membangkitkan perkara ini beberapa kali dahulu, oleh kerana taxi di-sini bilangan-nya kurang dan juga saya di-beritahu bahawa taxi di station keretapi ini ada satu benda yang istimewa, ia-itu ada pula atoran yang Perkhidmatan oleh Keretapi, ia-itu chuma keretapi taxi yang ada plate Malayan Railway sahaja dapat masok dalam kawasan keretapi.
Ini ia-lah satu perkara yang pelek, oleh kerana saya perchaya Perkhidmatan Keretapi ini telah pun me:njadi satu bahagian daripada Kera jaan dan tidak-lah berma'ana ia-itu lain2 orang tidak dapat masok dalam kawasan Kerajaan-kawasan yang di kuasai oleh .satu chabang daripada Kerajaan.

Jadi, saya berharap pada masa2 ka-hadapan supaya taxi2 lain dapat juga masok dalam kawasan taxi keretapi ini.

Perkara yang kedua, satu chara membuat garisan di-jalan raya.
Ini berlaku di-Alor Star di-mana satu jalan 7005 23 MARCH 1966 7006 yang besar di-sabelah selatan Alor Star di-bahagi kapada tiga bahagian--tiga saloran, ia-itu saloran kiri untok orang2 yang pergi sa-belah; saloran tengah itu di-katakan untok memotong sahaja, yang di-tetapkan pula di-jalan ini laju di-hadkan kapada 30 batu satu jam sahaja.
Jadi, ini berma'ana, kalau hen dak potong kereta yang ada di-hadapan pun, mesti lari chuma 30 batu satu jam dan apabila di-tanya kapada jurutera di-sana, saya di-beritahu ia-itu tujuan nya ia-lah ka1au ada mayafZ jenazah lalu di-situ, maka ini boleh-lah kereta2 yang lalu itu memotong jenazah ini.

Sa-tahu saya di-mana2 jalan juga, kalau ada jenazah, kalau ada satu garis.

atau dua garis, atau pun 10 garis, orang ta' nanti supaya jenazah ini tentu-lah semua orang akan memotong.
Jadi, meng gunakan satu saloran asing untok memotong dengan pula di-hadkan speed-nya sa-takat 30 ini ia-lah satu perkara yang ganjil, dan saya ber harap-lah dapat di-tukarkan supaya di-adakan chuma dua garis sahaja di-jalan ini.

jalan dahulu; kapada Kementerian Berkenaan dengan Head S. 32 ia-itu di-bawah Kementerian Kesihatan Malaria Control.
Saya menguchapkan tahniah ini, kerana membuat peruntokan khas untok Malaria Control, tetapi nampak nya banyak lagi perkara2 yang patut di-buat berkenaan dengan Malaria Control ini, terutama berkenaan dengan land development scheme di-mana apa bila sahaja ada tanah2 baharu di-buka, maka selalu kedengaran di-Kedah, terutama orang yang mati daripada penyakit2 malaria.
Di-dalam zaman ini, itu mati dengan kalau sa-saorang kerana penyakit malaria ia-lah ini satu perkara yang burok bagi Ke menterian Kesihatan di-mana2 negeri Jadi, kalau-lah kita sa-kali pun.

ada apa2 land development scheme, sa-patut-nya Kementerian Kesihatan bekerjasama dengan Ke menterian2 yang lain supaya perkara yang sa-macham ia-itu orang2 yang mati dengan kerana sakit malaria ini tidak terjadi lagi.
juga ini, Penghabisan sa-kali, Tuan Yang di Pertua, berchakap berkenaan dengan chara2 Head S. 24 ia-itu di-bawah Perkhid matan 'Am Perbendaharaan, yang mana wang sa-banyak $2 juta telah di khaskan untok Bank Bumiputera.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menguchapkan tahniah kapada Kerajaan yang telah membuat peruntokan tambahan sa banyak $2 million ini untok Bank Bumiputera.

· Ini menunjokkan ia-itu Kerajaan Perikatan memang ingin taraf ekonomi bumi meninggikan putera.
Kerajaan selalu nampak-nya memikir untok menolong orang2 bumiputera dan kita dapati sekarang ini bermacham2 badan saperti RIDA, MARA, Bank Agong, Persa tuan Penanam Padi, sa-lain daripada Bank Bumiputera, yang bertujuan memperbaiki taraf ekonomi bumi putera, tetapi sunggoh pun bagitu taraf bumiputera maseh tidak bagitu me muaskan lagi di-dalam bidang eko nomi.

Chontoh-nya, Tuan Yang di Pertua, saya ingin menerangkan satu daripada yang membawa kapada kegagalan usaha2 Kerajaan.
Saya perchaya ada banyak sebab2 lain tetapi chontoh yang saya akan beri menunjokkan asal sebab2 ini terletak kapada pegawai2 yang tidak faham tujuan2 Kerajaan.

Chontoh-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya telah minta MARA beri pertolongan kapada satu beras di-Kedah yang di kilang empat orang-orang2 punyal oleh Melayu.

Mengikut biasa tafsiran mereka itu ia-lah puak kapitalis tetapi wang yang ada di-antara mereka akan menimbulkan gelak ketawa di-antara pekedai2 kechil di-Kuala Lumpur.
Jumlah modal mereka chuma $80,000 ia-lah tidak chukup untok membuka satu kedai kechil di-Jalan Melayu di Kuala Lumpur.

sebab2 Sa-benar-nya Bank2 tidak mensifat ini sa-bagai pemodal2 kan mereka kerana semua bank2 yang ada di Malaya enggan memberi pinjaman kapada mereka ini.

Mereka chuma "kapitalis kachang puteh".

Sa-bagai telah menuntut bumiputera, mereka pertolongan pinjaman wang kapada Kerajaan ia-itu menerusi RIDA yang sekarang ini di-namakan MARA oleh kerana Bank Bumiputera belum ada.
telah menerangkan kedudokan Saya sa-orang pegawai mereka kapada 7007 23 MARCH 1966 7008 MARA.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, untok memendekkan cherita, MARA telah membuat penyelidekan dan basil pen yelidekan ini ia-lah saperti berikut : ini memang Pertama pemiagaan kila:ng beras 'am-nya di-Malaya ta' boleh beruntong oleh kerana harga padi yang di-tetapkan oleh Kerajaan.

Yang kedua, kilang2 chuma boleh untong jika menipu peladang2 dengan membeli dengan harga yang kurang.
Yang ketiga, Kerajaan tidak boleh menolong kilang2 hak bumiputera menipu peladang2.

Ini-lah keputusan yang ketiga yang di-buat oleh MARA.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apa-kah yang boleh kita tafsirkan daripada keputusan itu.

Yang pertama, ini-lah pertama kali nya satu Jabatan Kerajaan memberi pengakuan yang harga padi membawa kerugian kapada taukeh2 kilang2 beras besar.

Saya tahu peladang2 menderita, sunggoh pun barang2 dan chukai telah naik harga padi maseh sama semenjak 15 tahun yang lalu.
Kalau MARA membuat shor menaikkan harga padi ini tentu sesuai dengan tugas MARA menolong bumiputera, tetapi pada MARA yang teraniaya oleh Kerajaan bukan-lah peladang bumiputera tetapi taukeh2 kilang beras yang kaya raya.

Saya telah menerangkan pandangan pegawai MARA ini yang pemiagaan kilang beras tidak beruntong kapada beberapa kawan China saya, dan ini jenaka kapada telah menjadi satu mereka, kata sa-orang ahli kalau macham ini MARA jalan, kita mahu banyak lagi MARA.
Tuan Yang di Pertua, saya mengaku yang semua kilang ada menipu peladang2 bila mem beli padi, tetapi kalau harga padi di tetapkan supaya kilang2 akan untong, ini penipuan berma'ana taukeh2 kilang akan untong lebeh lagi daripada dahulu.

peladang2 maseh rugi saperti biasa.

Di-mana-kah yang kita kata tugas pegawai2 MARA ia-lah untok menolong bumiputera?
Tetapi Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang saya hormati sa-kali ia-lah tegasan pegawai MARA ini ia-itu Kerajaan ta' boleh orang2 Melayu menipu menolong peladang2 Melayu, ini menunjokkan sa pintas lalu yang pegawai ini berhimah akan hilang, tidak tinggi, malang-nya kalau di-kaji betul2 baru-lah kita dapati yang pegawai ini sangat sempit fikiran-nya.
ini ini akan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, akibat sikap pegawai terhadap kilang beras Melayu ini ia-lah akhir-nya pemodal2 jual atau kachang puteh sewakan kilang mereka kapada tau keh2 kilang yang bukan Melayu, mereka ini ia-itu taukeh2 baru ini akan jalankan kilang ini saperti biasa ia itu menchari untong dengan chara menipu peladang, jadi akhir-nya pen dirian pegawai sahaja menolong penipuan terhadap peladang2 oleh orang2 yang bukan Melayu tetapi akan menghilangkan penanaman modal orang2 Melayu dan menyingkir mereka daripada mempelajari sa banyak chara2 menjalankan kilang beras.
Saya perchaya ini bukan-lah maksud Kerajaan mengadakan MARA.

ini bukan sadikit Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan ada nya Bank Bumiputera yang mana pada hari ini peruntokan sa-banyak $2 million telah di-minta, saya perchaya perkara yang sa-macham ini tidak akan timbul lagi.
Saya perchaya pegawai2 dalam Bank Bumiputera memang faham hasrat Kerajaan untok meno long bumiputera, tetapi saya berharap lah pada masa2 yang kahadapan kalau kita terpaksa memileh pegawai2 untok bekerja di-dalam apa2 badan sahaja yang di-untokkan menolong bumi putera, maka pegawai2 itu patut di kajikan ada-kah fikiran mereka mereka faham betul2 tujuan Kerajaan mendirikan sa-barang badan untok menolong bumiputera.

Sa-takat itu lah terima kaseh.


it was stated Enche' C. v. Devan Nair (Bungsar): Mr Speaker, Sir, when presenting the 1966 Estimates, the expenditure for 1965, excluding Singa pore, was only $1,523.5 million, plus the first supplement for $26.1 million.

Since then, the second supplement has added another $58.9 million; and third this present supplement has added schedule, $51.9 million.

Thus, Sir, we have a grand total of $1,660.4 million as the sum of expenditure for 1965.
In other words, Sir, $136.9 million has been asked for in supplementary votes to meet expenditure in 1965, and this, __ _ // 7009 23 MARCH 1966 7010 Sir, is surely an unconscionably large sum of money to ask for by way of supplementary votes over and above the original Budget, and a check of the items shows that in a number of cases the increases asked for are far too high for them to have been pureiy unexpected; the increases are several times the original provisions.
some of Indeed, Sir, let us take the disturbing increase on the Public Debt.

l refer to Head C. 13.

The original provision as a charge on the Public Debt was $97 .8 million; an additional charge of $12.6 million is now required on the Public Debt.

It should be pointed out, Sir, that the increased charges on the Public Debt should have been foreseen even though part of this increase, we are told, is for payment of interest due on loans raised in the latter part of 1965.
It should also be pointed out, Sir, that during the Second Plan period there is bound to be a further increase in the charge on the Public Debt, as to a consequence of finance a large part of the Development expenditure from foreign and domestic loans.

And what will be of concern to increase in the Public Debt must eventually be met from increased taxation.

the public intention that the the is I take next, Sir, Head S. 15, under Ministry of Culture, Youth and Sports.
An additional requirement of $100,334.

This, Sir, constitutes a 30% increase over the original provisions.

I would like to know what justification there is for such an increase a 30% increase on the original provisions.
Do the services of this Ministry cover all of Malaysia and benefit all the component States of Malaysia, or is it considered, for example, that the Borneo States can do with less Culture, Youth and Sports and more visits by Alliance M.Ps at Government expenses than the other Malaysian States?

Let me give, Sir, another instance of a case which revealed more than purely estimationa1 error.

We take Head S. 43-Television.

Sir, the original provision for Television under this head was $100,000.
This apparently has turned out to be a gross under estimate.

Excluding provisions by vire- an ment of $775,741, additional $100,000 is now being requested and I would call, Sir, for an explanation for what appears to have been a fantastic under-estimation.

in the Ministry Next, Sir, Head S. 60 under the Ministry of Local Government and Housing.

The original provision for administration of for Local Government and Housing was $6,125.
Now, Sir, this has been exceeded by nearly one hundred per cent, the amount required being $5,845.

The original provision of $7,000 for Transport and Travelling was increased by $12,000 the second Supple mentary Estimates and now a further $13,000 for Transport and Travelling is being requested.

In other words, this item alone, Transport and Travelling now totals $32,000.
In other words, Sir, there has been more than four fold the proviSion for Transport and Travelling in the original provisions for the Ministry of Local Government and Housing.

And how is this, Sir, to be explained?

It would be appreciated, Sir, four-fold increase in Transport and Travelling for the Ministry of Local Government and Housing has not resulted in any increase in Local Government or any substantial increase in housing.
Sir, this Ministry, the Honourable Minister himself, is supposed to be busy building.

And it should be a that matter for concern, instead of being busy building they should appear to be busier travelling.

therefore, including increase that a in Next, Sir, and that is the last one I have, the Transport and Travelling provisions for the Ministry of Informa tion and Broadcasting, Head S. 41, are also intriguing.

The original provision in the estimate was $15,000.
An addi tiona1 sum of $12,500 is now required.

The reason given is an intriguing one, that is, that this additional sum is required mainly as a result of the separation of Singapore from Malaysia which we are told eventually entailed unexpected travels by the Minister, nili Political Secretary and officers of the Ministry within Malaya and the Borneo States.

Sir, on the face of it this does sound absurd.

Are we to .
Are we to .

believe that as a consequence of the separation of 7011 23 MARCH 1966 7012 including Singapore everybody, the Minister and his Political Secretary, had suddenly found it necessary to travel a great deal more within the States of Malaysia than before the separation of Singapore?

I would welcome, with interest, answers to these queries I have raised.

Thank you.
Thank you.

Enehe' Tan Toh Hong (Boldt Bin tang): Mr Speaker, Sir, under Head S. 60, I would like to touch on the problem of flooding of the Sungei Bunus at Kampong Bharu in my con stituency.

On this point, Sir, I brought up this serious problem in the last session of the Parliament.

Since then, many representation have also been made to the Government.
It has also been brought to the personal attention of the Honourable Minister for Agri culture and Co-operatives whose port folio includes drainage and irrigation.

I understand, Sir, the solution of this problem and this serious state of affairs involves inter-governmental co-opera tion between the State Government and the Federal Government.

Last week I personally raised this problem with the Honourable Mentri Besar of Selangor who kindly promised that he will look into it as a matter of priority.
Sir, as this flooding involves a great number of bumiputras living in the area and is a very serious social problem, I hope the Honourable Minister could use his good offices to find a speedy remedy to this flooding.

I am sure the bumiputras whose houses are being subjected this periodic flooding would be very thankful indeed to the Honourable Minister if the flooding could be stopped.

Thank you.
Thank you.

to Dato' Abdullah bin Abdulrahman (Kuala Trenggano Selatan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun menyokong permintaan tambahan estimates yang ada di-hadapan kita ini.

Sekarang ini saya menyentohi' S. 19, Tuan Yang di Pertua.

Saya nampak banyak wang telah di-untokkan untok Kementerian Pelajaran bagi Sekolah2 Rendah dan Sekolah Menengah.

Saya perchaya ini ada-lah meliputi bukan sahaja Sekolah Rendah Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan bahkan juga Jenis Kebang saan.
dan ia-itu ada Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita semua tiap2 tahun ramai tahu murid2 keluar daripada Sekolah Mene ngah Kebangsaan yang mana bahasa penghantar-nya bahasa Melayu atau bahasa kebangsaan.

Di-merata2 Malay sia ini kita dapati banyak Sekolah2 Menengah yang bahasa penghantar nya bahasa Melayu atau bahasa kebangsaan.

Sekarang soalan-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ia-lah ka-mana-kah kita hendak berharap murid2 yang keluar daripada Sekolah Menengah ini pergi untok mendapat pelajaran tinggi mereka.
Satu perkara yang Kerajaan boleh buat, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dan yang saya benar2 menggesa kapada pehak Kerajaan ia-lah menubohkan satu Universiti yang mana bahasa penghantar-nya bahasa kebangsaan atau bahasa Melayu.

Dan apakala tertuboh-nya Universiti yang mana bahasa penghantar-nya bahasa Melayu ini dapat-lah murid2 yang keluar dari pada Sekolah2 Menengah ini menuju untok mendapat tinggi mereka.
pelajaran Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita tahu ia-itu banyak kanak2 atau pun murid2 yang pergi ka-Sekolah Menengah ini datang daripada kawasan2 luar bandar.

Pada masa ini saya sedar ia-itu ada sekolah2 saperti Sekolah Alam Shah dan lain2, ka-mana mereka2 ini boleh pergi untok mendapat pelajaran lanjutan dan akhir nya pergi ka-Universiti Malaya.

Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ini tidak men chukupi.
Ada-lab mustahak bagi pehak kita dan pehak Kerajaan melihat supaya ada sa-imbangan di-dalam pelajaran tinggi di-antara orang2 di dalam bandar dan dengan orang2 yang ada di-luar kawasan bandar.

Kita jangka dan kita berharap dengan ada nya sa-perimbangan di-dalam pelajaran tinggi ini maka dapat-lah kita menuboh kan satu masharakat yang sehat, yang saling mengerti dan subor.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sekarang ini oleh kerana maseh ada jurang per bezaan di-dalam kehidupan orang2 di-Iuar kawasan bandar dan orang2 di dalam bandar, maka kita tidak dapat melihat ramai budak2 di-luar kawasan bandar masok ka-Universiti yang ada pada masa ini di-Malaya.

Ma'alum-lah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mereka di-luar 7013 23 MARCH 1966 7014 kawasan bandar itu terpaksa menem· pohi berbagai2 kelemahan dan tidak ada kemudahan2, saperti yang adapada mereka2 di-dalam bandar.
Pada masa ini juga, Tuan Yang di Pertua, kita semua tahu, ia-itu masing2 bergiat belajar bahasa kebangsaan.

Dan kalau tertuboh-nya suatu Uni versiti yang bahasa penghantar-nya bahasa kebangsaan, maka tiada itu menguntongkan bukan sahaja kapada orang2 Melayu bahkan juga kapada bangsa2 lain atau kaum2 lain.

Dan shor saya ini, saya perchaya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua.
ada-lah sesuai sa kali, dan menepati sa-kali dengan hasrat Kerajaan untok mendewa2kan bahasa kebangsaan dan untok menem patkan bahasa kebangsaan di-tempat yang sa-majar.

tinggi kapada Sa-perkara lagi, Tuan Yang di Pertua, mengenai S. 19 juga.

Pada masa sekarang ini kita dapat lihat, banyak murid2 di-luar kawasan bandar yang ada di-dalam Sekolah Inggeris, mendapat Grade III di-dalam School Certificate-nya, banyak mereka dapat Grade III.
Sekarang masaalah untok memberi pelajaran kapada banyak mereka2 yang mendapat Grade III ini patut mendapat perhatian kita.
Saya berchadang dan saya mengeshor kan pehak Kementerian Pelajaran, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, meng adakan satu atau beberapa darjah istimewa, di-luar2 kawasan bandar untok mereka2 yang dapat Grade III ini belajar sa-kali lagi atau pun untok mendapat pelajaran istimewa di-dalam Higher School Certificate, dan kemu dian membolehkan mereka ini masok sama ada ka-Universiti Malaya atau pun Universiti2 di-seberang laut.
Dan dengan jalan ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak-lah sia2 mereka2 yang di-luar kawasan bandar ini yang mendapat Grade III.

Kadang2 kita tahu mereka2 yang dapat Grade III ini, sebab banyak nya ia-lah kerana kemiskinan, kerana tiada kemudahan2 yang banyak dan yang baik saperti yang di-dapati oleh orang2 di-dalam kawasan bandar.

Sekarang ini, saya menyentohi pula, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Head 13, Agri culture.
Kita tahu, Tuan Yang di· Pertua, pada masa ini, Kerajaan sedang bergiat untok membaiki ekonomi bumi· putra.

termasok-lah kaum2 tani dan nelayan2• Apa yang di-dapati sekarang ini, ia-lah ramai Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kaum2 tani yang menyewa dengan mahal tractor2 dan lain2 dalam alatan pertanian daripada orang2 kaya yang ada di-merata cherok di-dalam Malay sia ini.
Satu daripada perkara yang pehak Kerajaan boleh menolong, saya ia-lah berpendapat Yang di-Pertua, pehak Kerajaan membeli dengan serta-· merta dengan sa-berapa banyak tractor2 dan lain2 alat pertanian untok di-beri sewa dengan murah kapada kaum2 tani ini.

Dan bagitu juga-lah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya dapati banyak kaum2: nelayan yang menyewa alatan2 unlok berkelaut menangkap ikan daripada orang2 atau pun taukeh2 besar dengan harga yang mahal.

Mithal-nya pukat, engine dan motor.


Saya shorkan kapada Kerajaan sa-berapa banyak Supaya membeli alatan kaum nelayan ini dan beri sewa kapada mereka dengan sewa yang sa-berapa murah, dan dengan jalan itu kita berharap dapat-lah kelebehan wang yang di-dapati oleh kaum tani dan kaum nelayan tadi, untok mereka sendiri dan dengan jalan itu menambah dan membaiki ekonomi mereka sa hari2.
di-lapangan Apakala saya sebut mengenai pela jaran dan pertanian tadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bukan-lah saya mermaksud ia-itu Kerajaan pada masa sekarang tidak berikhtiar untok membaiki ke· ini, dudokan tetapi sunggoh pun Kerajaan ada men jalankan beberapa banyak ikhtiar untok kemajuan, saya berkata banyak lagi pehak Kerajaan terpaksa mem buat dan patut buat, untok kebaikan orang2 yang nasib di-dalam ekonomi dan pelajaran ini tidak sa-bagitu baik.

Sekian sahaja-lah.

Terima kaseh.


kedua Mr Speaker: Saya hendak bertanya berapa lama hendak berchakap kerana masa sudah suntok.

Tuan Baji Ahmad bin Abdullalr (Kelantan Hilir): Terima kaseh.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, oleh kerana Tuan 7015 23 MARCH 1966 7016 ini yang Yang di-Pertua kata masa sangat2 sem pit, maka saya akan berchakap sadikit sahaja.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-lah Supplementary Estimates yang di hadapan kita ini ia-lah Supplementary Estimates yang ketiga.
Dan apabila kita kajikan sa-mula balek pada mula2 estimates kita telah di bentangkan di-dalam Dewan yang mulia ini ia-lah lebeh daripada $1,500 juta yang telah di-minta kapada Dewan yang mulia ini mempersetuju kan perbelanjaan yang tersebut.
Tetapi tidak berapa lama pula kemudian daripada itu kita telah di-kemukakan satu Supplementary Estimates pula yang berjumlah $25 juta lebeh; tidak berapa lama kemudian daripada itu di kemukakan pula Supplementary Esti mates yang kedua yang berjumlah lebeh daripada $58 juta dan sa-terus Ini menunjokkan nya yang ketiga.
kapada kita yang bahawa Anggaran Perbelanjaan yang mula2 di-keluarkan pada bulan Disember dahulu tidak lah memberi satu gambaran yang terang di-atas perbelanjaan2 yang akan di-belanjakan pada tahun 1966.

Jadi ia-lah satu kelemahan di-dalam ini Kementerian Kewangan yang tidak dapat memberikan satu gambaran yang chukup-anggaran yang chukup untok-perbelanjaan yang akan di jalankan pada sa-tahun itu.
Kalau sa kira-nya perbezaan itu chuma sadikit sahaja-dua tiga puloh juta sahaja saya fikir boleh-lah di-katakan kerana ada perkara 2 dan perbelanjaan2 yang tidak dapat di-anggapkan dengan terang dan jelas-nya maka terpaksa-lah kita memohon kapada Rumah yang mulia ini untok di-tambah lagi.

'fetapi kalau Supplementary Estimates ini telah memakan lebeh daripada 10 peratus daripada perbelanjaan yang asal, maka ini ia-lah satu tanda yang terang di-atas kelemahan Kementerian Kewangan.
Saya harap perkara ini tidak-lah akan berulang lagi pada tahun yang hadapan ini.

Wan Abdul Kadir bin Ismail (Kuala Trengganu Utara): Tuan Yang di Pertua, tiap2 kali estimates di-kemuka kan Yang Berhormat daripada Kelan tan Hilir ini membawakan hujah sa-rupa, sudah kita jemu-jelak dengan hujati ini kalau sudah kering dan tidak ada modal lain, ta' usah-lah berchakap ban yak.

Mr Speaker: Apa tujuan Yang Ber hormat menegor tadi?

Tegoran atas atoran bahathan itu apa?


Wan Abdul Kadir bin Ismail: Tidak ada-kah hujah yang lain.

Saya minta dia membawa hujah yang lain.

ra'ayat sama ada dari Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Saya berchakap atas Kementerian Kewangan.

Di-sini suka-lah saya me bahagian ngambil di-atas sadikit Head 19 ia-itu memberi kewangan sa kapada Kementerian Pelajaran banyak $7 juta lebeh untok sekolah2 rendah dan sekolah2 menengah.
Maka ada-lah pemberian ini sangat-lah kena pada tahu tempat-nya kerana kita bahawa perkara pelajaran ia-lah sangat mustahak untok meninggikan kedudo kan segi ekonomi dan lain2 lagi, tetapi suka-lah saya menarek sadikit pandangan hendak membuat sadikit penjelasan mudahan2 penjelasan saya ini akan dapat perhatian daripada Yang Ber hormat Menteri Pelajaran, ia-lah satu masaalah yang tidak dapat di-nafikan bahawa guru2 dan buku2 dan juga alat2 perkakas sain, maseh lagi ke kurangan lebeh2 lagi di-sekolah2 ke bangsaan di-perengkat menengah.
Per kara ini ia-lah satu perkara yang tidak dapat di-nafikan, sa-bagaimana saya katakan tadi, dan banyak-lah guru2 telah mengadu atas kekurangan guru dan kekurangan text book dan per kakas2 bagi sain atau makmal sain.

Oleh yang demikian, saya harap muga2 perkara ini akan dapat perhatian dari pada Yang Berhormat Menteri Pela jaran supaya dapat di-atasi perkara ini yang sangat mustahak.

Lagi satu, banyak-lah perkara2 yang tidak baik yang sedang berlaku di sekolah2 lebeh2 lagi di-Maktab Per guruan.
Di-sini suka-lah saya menarek perhatian Yang Berhormat Menteri Pelajaran di-atas satu surat yang telah di-siarkan oleh Utusan Melayu baharu2 ini bersangkut paut dengan Maktab Perguruan Johar Bharu.

Saya minta izin, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, membacha di·dalam dua tiga minit sahaja.
Sa telah satu minggu ia di-Maktab saya 7017 23 MARCH 1966 7018 menerima surat pertama dari-nya daripada adek saya mengatakan ke gelisahan dan chemas di-atas beberapa perkara sa-bagaimana di-bawah ini: (Alif) Pertama, tiap2 hari di-minggu per tama penuntut2 di-kehendaki dalam majlis2 tari menari dengan chara di-pasangkan terlebeh murid2 wanita dengan murid laki2.
hanya Tarian2 twist, shake tarian2 barat saperti dan waltz, kebangsaan tarian2 langsong tidak ada untok di-kehen kesenian daki meninggi mutu bangsa.

di-tarikan dahulu yang (Ba) Anjing2 sunggoh ramai berkeliaran di-bilek2 murid, khabar-nya anjing2 kepunyaan guru2 di-Maktab ter sebut ••.. Mr Speaker: Apa kena mengena anjing2 dengan perkara ini.

(Ketawa).

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin AbdUllah: Maktab Perguruan yang saya bacha ia lah masok di-dalam perkara pemberian wang bagi Kementerian Pelajaran.
Mr Speaker: Saya sudah katakan tadi, masa kita sempit, kalau boleh tolong pendekan sadikit-tidak payah di-bachakan itu.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Itu-lah sebab-nya saya katakan dua tiga minit, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya akan berchakap.

Kegangguan amat-lah mendukachitakan.

fardzu (Ta) Waktu makan malam jam 7.00, ini maghrib mengendalakan murid2.

Ini perlu di-ubah kapada masa yang lebeh awal atau sadikit akhir daripada jam 7.00 supaya mem bolehkan budak2 sembahyang maghrib.
ini Dan ini saya memohon kapada pehak yang berkewajipan untok memberi sa dikit perhatian terhadap perkara2 ter sebut.

Perkara2 ini memang-lah akan merosakkan budi pekerti anak2 kita yang sedang dudok di-bangku Maktab Perguruan.
Saya yakin dan perchaya tujuan Kerajaan memberi pelajaran2 kapada anak2 kita ia-lah untok hendak memeliharakan dan membaiki akhlak mereka itu, bukan-lah untok merosak kan dan memusnahkan akhlak mereka itu, tetapi kalau sa-kira-nya perkara ini berlaku terus, maka tetap kanak2 dan anak2 yang sedang dudok di-bangku Maktab Perguruan apabila mereka itu keluar daripada Maktab ini mereka itu akan mempunyai akhlak yang rosak yang akan merosakkan anak2 kita yang lain lagi apabila mereka itu menjadi guru.
Sekian-lah sahaja.

Enche' Tan Cheng Bee (Bagan): (rises).

Mr Speaker: How long will you take?

Enche' Tan Cheng Bee: Ten minutes, Sir.
Sir, I support the Supplementary Supply (1965) Bill, 1966. started operations I have, Sir, in this august Chamber spoken during the last Budget Session about the slow progress of the Mak Mandin industrial area at Butterworth, and I have to inform this House now that one of the first few industries that there-the had Blood Protection Co., Ltd, which has been manufacturing mosquito destro yer-hl}.s closed down simply because of strong competition from Japan and countries abroad.
With the closure of this industry, nearly 60 persons were out of employment, and this is really regrettable, Sir, because the entrepre neurs who have so much faith and confidence in our country should be easily edged out of business so soon after started operation through sheer competition from coun tries abroad.

I would, therefore, ask the Minister of Commerce and Industry to look into this matter and see if he could help to get the company to revive this industry.
they have Even if this company has no pioneer status, I believe, it is not wrong for the Ministry of Commerce and Industry to give all reasonable help to maintain the good name of the Mak Mandin industrial-in which local or foreign industrialists could reliably invest in.

Sir, I am aware, that a company with pioneer status is given every assistance, and I am of the opinion that this should be so, if we are to encourage industrialisation in Malaysia.
But, Sir, the Minister concerned must see that these pioneer companies do not exer cise the privilege given to them without consideration and with detriment to other businesses.

I refer to the flour mill recently opened in Lumut which 7019 23 MARCH 1966 7020 was given so much privilege-the privilege to appoint their agents or distributors without reference to the Flour Importers, Association of Penang and to make compulsory charges of transport fees, which is being added to the cost of the fl.our.
Sir, this arbitrary practice of this company has given rise to a great lot of discontent among the members of the Penang Flour Importers Association with the result of criticisms and all manner of allega tions even allegations of corruption, against the directors.
It appears that out of 9 agents of distributors appointed in Penang, only three have really been importing flour for the years 1964 and 1965, and even the three who are among the importers have, for the last two years, imported very negligible quantities of flour.

I am not here to say whether these criticisms and allegations are genuine, but I feel it is up to the Minister to investigate.
I understand that the flour Importers, Association has made petitions to the Minister and as a result of which, I am told, that the management has met members of Importers' Association in Penang recently and, after much argument, the management has agreed to supply to any dealer.

who can pay cash for the flour he desires to purchase.

But the margin of profit on each bag of flour has been intentionally reduced from 10 per cent-this was originally offered to the agents or distributors-to 2!
per cent to the dealers.

Sir, this would mean that on a bag of flour costing between $7.20 and $8.20-there are two quan tities-a dealer is given only 35 cents margin of profit to meet transport and handling charges of the flour from the dealer to the customer.

When the mill can give their agents or distributors 10 per cent-which is $1.20 per bag on each bag of flour, can it be logical for the mill, therefore, to give the dealers who pay cash to buy their flour, only 35 cents margin of profit?
the management could not Even explain to the members of the Flour Importers' Association as to why the balance of 85 per cent margin of profit has been deducted and for whom?

Another most unusual thing in this mill is that the transport charges are added the Flour on to the cost of the fl.our.
For each the company charges bag of flour 40 cents transport fee from Lumut to Butterworth whereas if the dealers are allowed to carry the flour in their own lorries-all wholesale dealers have lorries of their own-it would only cost them 20 cents per bag.

When the management was told not to add the transport charges to the flour, they had to say-that they have only this themselves and given a committed contract of carriage of their flour or transporting of their flour bags to another firm.
This argument only gives the impression that this new transport company is either a subsidiary of the flour mill, or is being operated in partnership with some of the directors.
I simply wonder, Sir, whether this new transport cotnpany also gets pioneer status in conjunction with the flour mill; and, if not, will the Minister please look into this matter so that this anomaly of adding transport charges on to the cost of flour may be removed and if dealers wish to take their orders ex-godown at Lumut, they may be allowed to do so.

Another point I would like to .


ask the Minister to look into is to see that the margin of profit to the dealers may be increased to an extent that will make it reasonable for them to continue to trade in flour which they· have pre viously done.

Thank you.

Mr Speaker: Persidangan tempohkan sa-lama 15 minit.

ini di- Sitting suspended at 5.20 p.m.

Sitting resumed at 5.38 p.m. (Mr .Deputy Speaker in the Chair) THE SUPPLEMENTARY SUPPLY (1965) BILL Second Reading Debate resumed.
Enche' Ong Kee Hui (Sarawak): Mr Speaker, Sir, my observations on the Supplementary Estimates will be very brief not only because you have enjoined us to be brief in our remarks, in view of the shortage of time, but also out of necessity because 7021 23 MARCH 1966 7022 unlike the Member for Batu and the Member for Bungsar, who were able to give the Estimates that close atten tion being bearer Kuala Lumpur and at Kuala Lumpur itself, we who come from the more remote parts of Malay sia are unable to give it the close attention .it merits, because we do not see these Command Papers until - we arrive here.
In that respect I would, with due respect, offer some suggestion as to how we from the Borneo States could play our role more effectively here in this House.

Mr Speaker, Sir, although Head S. 1.

Parliament, provides for certain facili for Members-large sums of ties money are provided in fact for air passages and so on-we feel that we are unable to play our role more effectively here unless we get, first of all, earlier notice of meetings and also unless we could get our papers earlier.
In this respect, Sir, I would offer a suggestion for your consideration as to whether it would not be possible for a sort of calendar to be sent out each year giving approximate dates of meetings.

This would have the addi tional advantage, in that those of us who not only sit in this House but also the State Legislative Assemblies in would be able to be sure that we could be here and meetings of State Legis lative Assemblies could be so arranged that they would not clash with meetings of Parliament.
The other point I wish to make is that the transmission of papers and notice of meetings should, wherever possible, be expedited.

I think this morning, in answer to a question, the Honourable Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, indicated to us the time it takes for surface mail to reach the Borneo States.
Now, most of these papers which are sent to us are sent by surface mail, for the simple reason that no stamps are put on them-they are merely franked with the Parliament Stamp-and they usually go by surface mail, and for that reason most of the Bills sent to us never get to us in time and we only see them when we arrive here.
Furthermore-, Sir, the notice of meeting also lays down a time limit for ques- ' tions, and for that reason we are unable to put forward questions of public interest in time, unlike certain more fortunate Alliance Members, who have an inkling of what is afoot and were able to file their questions even before the notice goes out.

So much for that, Sir.


As I have said, I am therefore unable the Supplementary Estimates the close scrutiny it merits, unlike the Honourable Member for Batu or the Honourable Member for Bungsar.

to give the exemption Sir, I would not repeat what other Honourable Members have said, nor will I say what the Honourable Mem ber for Batu has said concerning certain items, which he called "extra vagant", under Head S. 7.
Suffice it for me to say, under Head S. 20- Education, Borneo States-one Honour able Member -from Sarawak has expressed appreciation for the addi tional provision of $311,500 for Sara wak.

This additional provision together with from payment of primary school fees are, of course, welcomed in Sarawak, and we are gratified that provision has been made for that purpose.
However, education in Sarawak still presents many pro blems, and I would therefore, with due respect, offer a suggestion the Minister of Education that he might find it worth his while to visit Sarawak again and deal with these problems on the ground, so that in framing the 1967 Budget due regard will be made for all in Sarawak, so that he will not have the embarrassment to constantly come before this House to ask for supple mentary provisions.
the needs of education to Among other things, Sir, I would mention that the grant-in-aid system to aided schools, for instance, needed overhauling.
The terms of service, for instance, of aided school teachers are not in line with those given to Govern ment teachers or teachers in Govern ment schools and this gives rise to considerable dissatisfaction and a good deal of undermining of the aided school system, because the teachers find it more in their interest to drift to Government from aided schools schools and this has caused a good - - - - - - - - - - 7023 23 MARCH 1966 7024 deal of dislocation of the aided school system.
provide adequately for the needs of the people of Sarawak.

the rural schools.

I The other factor which needs his attention is the lack of skilled teachers in think one Honourable Member from Sarawak has the Minister of to in a question Education pointed out the poor results obtained by some of the rural primary schools.

This indicated a lack of well trained rural to rely on voluntary schools have helpers from overseas who have just left schools and are, therefore, un trained.
For that reason, it is hardly surprising that the rural schools are very ill-served and obtain poor results.

teachers.

Very often to leavers who have The other point, which is important, is the solution to this tremendous pro blem of the large number of primary leave school school.

I think the Minister himself gave the figure as 30 per cent of primary school leavers are able to continue their studies; the rest has out of necessity to leave school.
According to the age limit now placed on primary schools, these children are between the ages of eleven and twelve.

Now, in an urban area this is a very serious social problem, and therefore it would appear that some re-orientation of the whole school system would be required.

In the Malayan States we already have the comprehensive system which brings the age up to thirteen or four teen, an age at which children are able, when they leave school, to find reasonable employment.
In the case of Sarawak there is no comprehensive system, and even if a child is allowed to repeat Primary VI he will leave school at the age of twelve.

In an agricultural state such as Sarawak the school system must be re-orientated to fit in with the economy of the country and therefore, as one Honourable Member from Sarawak has mentioned, there is need for an agriculture college and agriculture school.
These are some of the matters which merit the atten tion of the Minister of Education and I would offer a suggestion that he might feel it worth his while once again to visit Sarawak and find out for himself the actual need so that in framing the 1967 Budget he would be able to Finally, Sir, on Head S. 30-Inland Revenue the question of payment of turnover tax has been raised many times in this House.

I regret to say, Sir, that it seems to have fallen or rather unsympathetic ears.
Neverthe· less, there was one glimmer of hope: for those concerned, in that, the Minis ter of Finance has, in fact, stated that he has given directive, if I understand him correctly, that those who are in difficulties would be considered.

There are, in fact a large number of people who had been caught unaware or on the wrong foot by the imposition of this tax.

For instance, those who are dealing in the rice trade.

These traders have a very large turnover and a very small margin of profit.
They are un able, therefore, to make provision for this as there was no indication that this was their suggestion has therefore been put forward by Chambers of Commerce for payments of this tax by easy pay ments.

I hope the Minister of Finance will give this matter his sympathetic consideration.

to be imposed and Enche' Abdul Karim bin Abo (Melaka Selatan): Tuan Yang di Pertua, saya suka mengambil bahagian berchakap pada Menteri Kewangan dan Menteri Pengangkutan sahaja.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, satu perkara yang aneh dalam meshuarat2 yang lalu selalu satu2 perkara dasar di-luluskan dalam Parlimen, ia-itu Ahli Meshuarat yang ada ini-lah.

Tetapi jalan Tanjong Malim ka-Slim, Ahli Parlimen, Ahli Meshuarat Negeri kena pula bayar.

J adi orang yang meluluskan satu2 kerja itu dia sendiri kena bayar.

Jadi saya harap supaya Menteri Kewangan, Menteri Kerja Raya, Menteri Peng angkutan dapat beruding supaya Ahli2 Meshuarat Undangan Negeri di-bebas kan daripada chukai ini.
Sunggoh pun perkara ini kechil tetapi kami Member of Parliament berasa malu kita sendiri pula kena bayar kalau melalui jalan ini.

Yang kedua kapada Menteri Peng sa-malam angkutan, pada petang banyak barangkali Ahli Parlimen \ \ 7025 23 MARCH 1966 7026 tidak dapat masok ka-Dewan ini kerana menghantar rombongan orang2 Islam pergi haji dengan kapal terbang.

Saya sa-orang dari pada-nya kerana menghantar isteri Yang Amat Berhor mat Ketua Menteri Negeri Melaka.
Bukan sahaja orang besar2 tetapi ra'ayat tidak kurang daripada 86 orang yang naik kapal terbang yang di-sewa khas, agak saya.

Yang menyedehkart agak-nya tidak ada-kah kapal terbang lain yang hendak di-sewakan yang daripada kapal terbang itu.

Susah sa ngat saya tengok kapal terbang itu hendak naik.

Apabila injin-nya yang pertama di-hidupkan, asap tidak nam pak belakang.

Dan sakit sangat saya tengok dia hendak naik (Ketawa).
Pada hal yang di-dalam-nya itu Dato' Dr Aziz, orang kuat kita, orang yang menjadi tonggak kita negara ini.

Kalau lah berjumpa kemalangan-hiba sa ngat-bukan saya sayangkan pada isteri Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri Melaka, tetapi ra'ayat Islam yang hendak menunaikan fardhu haji itu.

Tetapi shukor-lah kita kapada Tuhan barangkali sudah sampai orang itu pergi ka-Mekah, tetapi saya minta lah kapada Menteri Pengangkutan kapal yang sa-rupa itu jangan-lah di sewa lagi.

Malu negeri kita.

Terima kaseh.


Enche' John Ondo Majakil (Sabah): Mr Speaker, Sir, I rise to say something on the subject touching Head S. 5, that is Culture, Youth and Sports.

Before I proceed further, I must first of all tender my humble apology to all the Honourable Members of this House for my unpolished English and ask this.

This is the first time I am speaking in this Honourable House and I hope I would not become nervous.
Mr Speaker, Sir, what I am going to say is something about the cultures of the State of Sabah.

We know, Sir, that at present there are many tourists coming from U.S.A. and other western countries into our country, Malaysia, in general, and Sabah in particular and we know the very purpose of their tours is to gain experience of our land and to know much of culture.
In view of this, Sir, we in Sabah although we are now having several cultural associa tions, we still think that .we are unable to cater and satisfy the wishes of those anxious tourists due to the fact that we still cannot provide them the necessary facilities and things for them to see in order to satisfy their wants.

As we all know, Sir, that the Sabah State is still very much lacking in communications, such as road, etc.
For this simple reason, difficulties have been encountered by the tourists to get into the remote areas where all our ancient and cultural things are waiting for them to see.

I am not very sure, Sir, that whether the Federal Govern ment is directly involved or concerned with this subject, but due to the fact that cultures in our beloved country, Malaysia and Sabah especially, cultural knowledge is very badly in need of revival.
And with due respect, Sir, I would suggest to the Ministry concerned that funds for assistance or other kinds could be given and extended to our Sabah State Cultural Association to meet our needs to improve them which either and wherever necessary.

For that matter, Sir, and if this hqmble request of mine is considered favourably by the Honourable Minister, who is directly concerned in this, we will then apply to the State Government for the professional necessary or whereupon we could build long houses.
Bajau houses and Kadazan houses and so on for placing our cultural things within the easy reach of the tourists.

We also know, Sir, that the State Government of Sabah with the assis tance of the Federal Government.

pardon me, Sir, if my statement is wrong-has already started construct ing the Borneo Garden at the foot of our highest and valuable Mount Kinabalu.

But this would still take quite a little more longer time to com plete.
And once it is completed we have no doubt that we can then be able to provide all things for the experience seeking the anxious tourists to see and to find out for themselves what they want.

At the present what we need is that what I stressed just now.

During the past few months, Sir, there were many tourists from United States came ashore to Sabah State and 7027 23 MARCH 1966 7028 although their stays there were brief ones, I knew that they were impressed with what they had seen.
We some· times showed and entertained them with the famous Senardau berunsai and the full of laughter rumba lembu atau kerbau but that is not much to them.

But how about the cultures of our brothers and sisters, the Muruts, whose places are situated at considerable distance in the remote areas of the interior.

I am sure that they may also want to see them.

I feel the tourists have been deprived of their chances and wishes and to me, Sir, the possible answer to this is that the provision of our request.
I stressed a few seconds ago, and I am quite sure that if we can provide such things for the time being our tourist trade will no doubt be improved and promoted, and could get good the outside world.

impression from ini, Dato' Dr Baji Megat Khas (Kuala Kangsar): Yang Berhormat Tuan Yang izin hendak di-Pertua, saya minta mengambil sadikit masa dalam per kara permintaan tambahan perbelan jaan yang di-kemukakan oleh Menteri Kewangan yang telah pun di-belanja kan di-dalam tahun 1965.
Sementara menyokong permintaan itu dengan sa ta• sokong pun penoh-nya-kerana wang itu telah di-belanjakan daripada Contingencies Fund.

saya suka-lah hendak menarek perhatian Rumah yang berbahagia ia-itu kapada Kepala S. 19, Pemberian kapada Sekolah2, ia-itu ia-lah tugas yang di jalankan oleh Yang Berhormat Men teri Pelajaran.
Di-antara wang yang berjumlah $47 telah di belanjakan sa-bagai pemberian kapada sekolah menengah, pada hari ini pun sa-bagaimana, Tuan Yang di-Pertua sendiri ma'alum, ada sungutan dari pada sekolah2 menengah, ia-itu banyak daripada mereka2 itu mempunyai makmal, tetapi tidak chukup equip· ment, atau pun perkakas-nya yang membolehkan murid2 di-sekolah menengah ini menjalankan pelajaran nya di-dalam jurusan sains dengan tidak ada halangan.
Maka perkara ini telah pun di-binchangkan beberapa ini dan kali di-Dewan yang mulia telah pun mendapat sokongan dari- juta yang pada semua Ahli, ia-itu ada-lah dasar Kementerian Pelajaran kita daripada ia-lah beberapa hendak menggalakkan jurusan sains di-antara murid2 yang ada di-bangku2 sekolah menengah kita pada hari ini.
tahun yang sudah Jadi, ada-nya sungutan daripada Guru2 Besar di-sekolah2 menengah ini menjadi satu bukti, ia-itu sementara kita menggalakkan murid2 di-dalam negara kita mengambil titek-berat di atas jurusan sains, kita "tidak memberi kemudahan2 supaya pelajaran itu boleh di-jalankan dengan tidak ada tempat2-nya-saya halangan.

Pada menarek perhatian-guru-nya tidak ada, kalau ada pun guru-nya, keboleh· an guru-nya ta' chukup.

Kalau ada guru yang chukup, kebolehan, perka kas dalam makmal pula ta' chukup.
Saya mengetahui, ia-itu di-dalam kawasan saya sendiri ada dua sekolah yang besar-sekolah menengah yang tidak ada chukup perkakas di-dalam makmal.

Maka dengan itu, terpaksa· lah murid2 yang ada di-situ berganti2 memakai makmal itu dan meninggal kan mata pelajaran yang lain.
Dengan sebab itu sudah tentu-lah keputusan yang di-dapati oleh mereka itu di· dalam pepereksaan menunjokkan, ia itu itu walau sa-kali pun mereka menggunakan masa yang lebeh kapada jurusan sains, tetapi kehasilan yang di-dapati tidak bagitu baik, dan bagaimana sa-kali pun kehasilan yang di-dapati dalam mata2 pelajaran :yang lain juga ta' boleh baik.
Jadi, im-lah satu perkara yang patut sangat di perbaiki, walau sa-kali pun kita, macham mana yang telah di-beritahu oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Ke wangan pada bulan Disember yang lalu, ia-itu bagi tahun 1966 ini kita mengadakan telah di-katakan austerity Budget.
Nampak nya fasal Budget ini tiap2 tahun sudah jadi austerity, kerana macham mana yang telah di-terangkan dan di-nyata kan oleh sa-orang daripada Ahli Yang Berhormat tadi, ia-itu ta' dapat lah dengan sa-terus-nya kita mengada kan peruntokan yang di-agakkan chukup pada tiap2 tahun, walau sa kali pun tahun ini, tahun 1966, kita mengadakan austerity Budget, tetapi saya perchaya tahun 1967 nanti, ini ia-lah apa yang "' 7029 23 MARCH 1966 7030 juga-lah yang datang ka-hadapan kita ia-itu peruntokan tambahan.
ta' itu tetapi dalam perkhidmatan Perkara yang kedua.

Tuan Yang di Pertua, saya berasa hairan ia-itu di dalam Command Paper Nombor 8 Tahun 1966 ini, muka 27 di-bawah Kementerian Kesihatan, kita berke hendakkan wang lebeh lagi, kerana hendak membiayai bayaran gaji orang2 yang bekerja di•dalam Pejabat Kesi hatan.

Ini ia-lah di-katakan di-sini dengan sebab tingkatan gaji itu telah di-naikkan.
Kalau di-naikkan barangkali, pekerja2 itu akan mogok, langsong kita tidak dapat doktor2 yang hendak menjalankan pekerjaan2 di hospital2 kita.

Itu tidak-lah berapa saya hairankan, kerana itu ada-lah satu perkara yang mesti-lah di perelokkan oleh Kerajaan, kalau ber yang kehendakkan sesuai, juga, ada termasok harga2 ubat yang di-kehen daki untok mengubati orang2 asli.
J adi, saya berasa hairan di-sini, apa-lah fasal-nya Central Medical Store, atau pun Stor Pusat yang ada mengandongi beberapa banyak ubat yang berharga, kalau tidak silap saya pada tahun yang sudah.

saya telah menunjokkan, ia-itu ada berharga $5 juta ubat2 yang itu-kenapa pula ada dalam setor lagi di-kehendaki membeli yang lain untok memberi kapada orang2 asli di dalam mengubati penyakit mereka itu.
Jadi, di-sini kalau sa-kira-nya dapat Yang Berhormat Menteri Kesihatan memberi penjelasan, barangkali tidak lah ada khuatir kapada saya.
Demi kian juga di-dalam Pechahan-kepala di-kehendaki $900,000 untok memberi makanan bagi orang2 sakit, tetapi yang itu saya bilangan-nya juga-lah daripada sa-tahun ka-satahun di dalam hospital2 yang besar2 dalam negeri kita tidak ada ini, kerana tempat hendak memberi peluang bagi bilangan yang ramai masok lebeh hospital itu, dan dengan yang demi ia-itu kian, kita hospital besar di-Kuala Lumpur ini di-bangunkan sa-mula, dan di-Ipoh pun beransor2 akan di-adakan satu hospital yang baharu, tetapi bukan lah de'ngan sebab, rasa saya, bilangan orang yang masok dudok di-rumah tahu orang2 yang semua ma'alum lebeh kurang sakit sakit itu lebeh, tetapi saya perchaya ia-lah kerana harga barang2 ia-itu makanan ada-lah naik, walau sa-kali pun Yang Berhormat Menteri Ke wangan dengan angka2-nya menafikan, ia-itu harga, tingkatan hidup itu ta' naik sudah beberapa tahun.
Maka dengan itu, Tuan Yang di Pertua, saya menguchapkan terima kaseh kerana telah memberi peluang kapada saya mengarahkan perhatian sa kapada perkara2 yang kechil2 macham ini.

Tuan Haji Mokhtar bin Haji Ismail (Perlis Selatan): Dato' Yang di-Pertua, bangun menyokong Rang saya Undang2 Perbekalan ini dan di samping itu, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak menarek sadikit sahaja perhatian Dewan ini berkenaan dengan Kepala S. 19-Pemberian2 Bantuan Pelajaran ia-itu Kementerian Pela jaran.
Apa yang saya hendak terang kan di-sini, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, ia-itu di-dalam masa pepereksaan yang baharu2 ini banyak-lah sekolah2 atau murid2 sekolah2 menengah di-dalam negeri Perlis yang telah lulus di-dalam pepereksaan LCE.

Tetapi, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, oleh kerana Perlis ada-lah satu negeri yang muda dalam aliran kemajuan pelajaran maka banyak-lah penuntut2 tadi tidak mendapat tempat di-dalam sekolah2 untok melanjutkan lagi pelajaran2 mereka.
Jadi dengan belas ihsan Pejabat Pelajaran Negeri Perlis telah mengadakan satu kelas yang di-namakan Further Education Class-kelas sa-belah petang ia-itu ia-itu di di-adakan Sekolah Derma Kangar, di-Sekolah Menengah Arau di-Sekolah Menengah Simpang Empat.

Tetapi apa yang mendukachitakan bahawa pe nuntut2 ini telah di-kenakan bayaran pada sa-bulan $10 ini saya rasa, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, ada-lah sangat berat bagi anak2 pak2 tani bagi pak2 tani yang hendak membiayakan pelajaran anak2 mereka.
Jadi oleh sebab itu saya mereka merayu-lah supaya saya merayu-lah di-dalam Dewan ini ia-itu dengan belas ihsa.n pehak Kementerian Pelajaran supaya dapat mengadakan kelas2 dan supaya mereka itu jangan-ah lagi di-kenakan bayaran yang bagitu mahal.

kapada tempat tiga dan 7031 23 MARCH 1966 7032 yang Dan yang kedua, Dato' Yang di Pertua, saya suka juga-lah hendak melanjutkan lagi perchakapan saya di dalam Dewan ini berkenaan dengan Kepala S. 21 ia-itu Kementerian Luar Negeri.
Baharu2 ini kita telah dengar bagaimana baik-nya negara Singapura yang sa-kali lagi chuba hendak ber damping dengan kita dan peristiwa Singapura kita sama2 ketahui dan telah kita sama2 merasai dan menderita bagaimana kechaman2 telah lakukan kapada kita itu mereka dalam masa2 yang telah lalu, tetapi baharu2 ini kita telah dengar juga bahawa yang mereka itu hendak berbaik2 sa-mula dengan kita.
Jadi, bagi saya, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya suka-lah menerangkan di-dalam De wan ini bahawa kita harus-lah saperti kata pepatah Melayu, "pelandok lupa kan lupakan pelandok".
Jadi oleh kerana itu kita harap-lah kapada Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri supaya jangan-lah bagitu bermurah hati sa hingga sampai kita akan mendapat satu balasan yang tidak baik pula pada kemudian hari, kerana apa yang telah ketahui bahawa keadaan di-Singapura pada hari ini ia-itu mereka sa-sama mereka Jema'ah2 Menteri mereka telah mula berpechah barang kali dengan sebab itu-lah yang mereka hendak berbaik2 pula dengan kita.
Kita ia-itu pada masa yang lalu oleh kerana mereka hendak menentang kominis, maka mereka juga telah berbaik2 dengan kita tetapi akhir-nya apa yang telah kita rasa dalam masa yang telah lalu.

telah kena tetapi ia-itu jerat jerat ta' Head S. 60-Kementerian Kerajaan Tempatan dan Perumahan.

Di-dalam hal ini saya tahu bahawa Kementerian Kerajaan Tempatan dan Perumahan dengan murah hati-nya telah mengada kan peruntokan wang yang bagitu besar kerana hendak mengadakan rumah2 murah di-dalam negeri Perlis.
Ini satu perkara yang baik yang mana saya sambut baik-lah perkara tersebut.

Tetapi .apa yang saya hendak menegas kan di-sini, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, kebanyakan rumah2 murah itu kayu2 yang di-gunakan untok membena rumah murah itu ada-lah kayu yang di masokkan ubat atau kayu asap.

Jadi mutu kayu itu memang-lah tidak baik, kerana apa, sa-tengah2 kayu saya dapati ada kayu itu kekabu pun yang di-gunakan untok membuat rumah murah tadi hanya di-taroh-nya ubat.
ubat itu guna-nya bukan hendak menguatkan kayu, ubat itu guna-nya kerana hendak menahankan kayu itu daripada di-makan oleh binatang2.

Jadi kalau di-taksirkan harga kayu atau kayu yang di-gunakan untok rumah murah dari kayu meranti.

tidak ada berbezaan rupa tetapi jauh beza harga-nya.
Jadi oleh sebab itu saya merayu-lah kapada Menteri yang berkenaan supaya mengkaji sa-mula berkenaan dengan menggunakan kayuz yang di-masoki ubat itu pada hal mutu kayu itu tidak kuat maka dengan sebab itu kita selalu kedengaran-lah buat rumah keadaan 10 tahun ayam beretoh pun papan kedi sudah pechah kerana ayam beretoh.

Jadi dengan sebab itu lah saya merayu kapada Kementerian yang berkenaan supaya menyemak balek ranchangan membuat rumah itu daripada kayu2 yang di-gunakan ubat ini.
Sakian sahaja, terima kaseh.

Tuan Haji Rahmat bin Haji Daud (Johor Bahru Barat): Yang Berhormat Tuan Speaker, saya suka berchakap hanya atas satu perkara sahaja ia-itu S. 34-Royal Malaysia Police.

Pada masa dharurat dahulu sa-belum kita merdeka, polis kita bekerja sa-bagai jungle squad dan pada masa itu ketua2 mereka di-pimpin oleh bekas2 pasokan British ia-itu Sarjan askar British atau Sarjan Palestine menggantikan tempat2 sa-bagai ketua.
Sebab pada masa itu ketua2 orang Melayu atau Malaya tidak chukup maka terpaksa-lah meng itu sa-bagai ketua2 ambil mereka mereka, di-dalam jungle squad untok memerangi orang2 kominis dalam hutan.
Oleh sebab barangkali kerana ketua2 orang puteh tadi pada masa itu penjajah lagi menunjokkan lagak-nya dan lagi tidak ada sopan santun dengan kasar-nya, maka banyak polis2 kita-kaki-tangan-nya-terutama sa kali Sarjan2 daripada orang Melayu yang kata-nya melawan dengan sebab yang macham itu mereka telah di adukan kapada pegawai yang lebeh lagi, maka pegawai2 · polis tinggi Melayu-yang sa-benar-nya pagawai \.

7033 23 MARCH 1966 7034 teraniaya rendah-telah di-turunkan pangkat nya.
Sa-hingga-lah hari ini kita sudah merdeka pegawai2 polis sa-macham itu maseh lagi dudok dalam pangkat yang ia-itu sa-bagai mata2 biasa rendah sahaja.
Saya berharap-lah kapada pehak yang berkenaan supaya meng kaji sa-mula, di-beri peluang kapada telah berjuang dengan orang yang kominis dan sa telah tengah2-nya, bukan semua, patut-lah di-timbangkan supaya mereka itu dapat tempat kedudokan yang sa balek wajar-nya, sebab mereka itu pada masa ini daripada sa-tengah-nya mem punyai' anak yang banyak dan saya tahu juga sa-tengah-nya memang ada kelayakan tetapi oleh kerana mereka itu telah di-adukan melawan ketua, sa-hingga hari ini mereka itu maseh lagi di-dalam pangkat yang rendah.
Dari itu saya minta-lah, kita pun sudah merdeka, dan dalam Polis di katakan semua sa-kali pegawai2-nya terdiri daripada anak2 bangsa kita sendiri, kita kaji sa-mula menimbang kan supaya pegawai2 polis yang tera niaya itu dapat di-timbangkan supaya dapat naik pangkat.

loyar patut-nya beliau Pagi tadi pehak Pembangkang dari Ipoh telah mengatakan ada pegawai2 polis yang menggertak perempuan2 yang bekerja dalam massage parlour.
Ini saya sangat dukachita, sa-bagai sa-orang itu lebeh tahu, kalau ada-lah pehak Polis menggertak perempuan2 yang bekerja dalam massage parlour itu mengapa tidak nasehatkan kapada yang ber kenaan itu supaya mereportkan kapada Polis, sebab undang2 kita tidak pan dang mereka itu polis, wakil ra'ayat atau siapa juga.
Kalau mereka itu melanggar Perlembagaan atau undang2 negeri, maka boleh-lah mereka itu di adu kapada pehak yang berkenaan tetapi supaya keadilan di-jalankan, menudoh polis melulu sa-macham itu sama sa-kali tidak kena pada tempat nya.

Berkenaan dengan massage parlour pula patut-lah pehak kita mengadakan satu undang2 supaya di-haramkan sama sa-kali, sebab saya tahu di-Johor itu di-mana ada tempat urut, di-situ lah kumpulan yang kotor ia-itu pela choran.
J adi, dengan nama massage parlour tadi sa-tengah daripada sa tengah-nya di-kampong2 Melayu telah di-dirikan-ini sangat mendukachita kan. Patut ada suatu undang2 yang ketat supaya mengharamkan semua sa-kali tidak di-benarkan sama sa-kali, dan undang2 itu di-beri kuasa kapada mereka itu supaya menangkap atau sa-umpama-nya supaya tidak ada lagi perkara yang tidak di-sukai oleh kita-di-hadapan mata kita sendiri.

Demikian, sahaja-lah, Tuan Yang di Pertua, saya uchapkan banyak terima kaseh.
Enche' Ahmad bin Anhad (Muar Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun sama juga dengan rakan2 saya menyokong Perbekalan Tambahan yang di-minta oleh Menteri Muda Kewangan pada pagi tadi.

Di-samping itu saya chuma hendak membangkit kan beberapa perkara dalam Kepala2 yang saya akan nyatakan.

Di-antara nya yang pertama ia-itu S. 7-Jabatan Perdana Menteri.

Sejak kita beri kemerdekaan kapada Kerajaan Singa pura, beberapa peristiwa telah berlaku kapada Kerajaan kita dan ra'ayat Malaysia.
Waiau pun perkara ini telah di-chakapkan oleh sahabat saya Yang Berhormat dari Perlis Selatan, tetapi saya gemar lagi menyokong atas hal ini ia-itu dengan chara mengejut 3 hari yang lalu Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri telah pergi ka-Singapura berunding dengan Per dana Menteri Singapura, Enche' Lee Kuan Yew, maka saya dan ra'ayat Malaysia berasa terkejut dengan ke adaan itu serta memberi tahniah dan kepujian kapada Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri atas tujuan· menchuba berusaha untok merapatkan sa-mula buah negara itu.
Natijah-nya Perdana Men teri Singapura akan datang ka-Kuala Lumpur sa-mula.

Maka berasa lega lah di-hati dua2 buah negara itu, tetapi saya gemar mengingatkan Kerajaan supaya mengawasi benar2 kita tidak mahu "pisang berbuah dua kali" dan gunakan-lah pepatah orang Melayu "sa-kali jalan terkena, dua kali jalan tahu, tiga kali jalan, mengena."
kerenggangan dua Saya merayu kapada Ra'ayat ke turunan China, sama ada di-Malaysia 7035 23 MARCH 1966 7036 politik atau di-Singapura bahawa Yang Ter amat Mulia atau Kerajaan Perikatan lah yang benar2 boleh melindongi dan memberi keadilan yang sama kapada ra•ayat keturunan China dalam Gugu san Pulau2 Melayu.

Jadi, kita patut hargai-lah kesabaran Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku dan di-beri sokongan terhadap-nya.
Walau Singapura telah merdeka, tetapi sejarah tidak dapat menafikan Singapura itu ada-lah dalam Gugusan daripada salah satu 3,000 pulau2 Melayu.

Orang2 yang bcr keturunan China sayugia insaf bahawa perkisaran berjalan dengan deras dan tidak dapat di-tahan oleh siapa2 pun sa-umpama manusia hendak menahan mata hari akan ter bit.

Sa-bagai kemewahan yang dapat di-Malaysia dan juga di-Singapura di masa yang lalu, maka sangat ber untong-lah keturunan China.
Maka dengan keinsafan ini-lah saya memi kirkan bahawa Enche' Lee Kuan Yew telah mahu berbaik sa-mula dengan kita, tetapi jangan di-anggap bahawa dengan perundingan baharu2 ini Kera jaan Malaysia melutut atau menyem bah kapada Singapura, bahawa dengan perundingan ini ada-Iah satu sifat keperibadian orang2 Melayu yang sayugia mahu berbaik2.

akan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, gemar saya menarek perhatian dalam Dewan ini ia-itu berhubong dengan S. 14-Per niagaan dan Perusahaan.
Saya minta kapada Kerajaan supaya mengarahkan semua Kementerian dan Ketua2 J abatan supaya mengutamakan barang2 tempatan buatan Malaysia mulai dari tahun ini sa-baik2 sahaja stock yang ada sekarang ini sudah habis.

Dan ini memboktikan atas kempen yang di lancharkan sekarang bahawa ra•ayat Indonesia hendak-lah menggunakan barang buatan Malaysia.
Maka kita tahu semua Kementerian mengadakan ranchangan Pembangunan tidak lepas daripada barang buatan Malaysia saperti Jabatan2 Kerja Raya, Kesi hatan, Pelajaran, Perumahan, Per tanian dan Pembangunan Luar Bandar.

Kira-nya di-dapati satu barang teknik yang hendak di-gunakan buatan luar negeri hendak-lah mendapat kebenaran daripada Kerajaan Negeri.

Maka dengan itu bertambah pesat-lah kema juan buatan barang2 daripada Malay- sia.
Saya gemar menarek chontoh, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bahawa Kera jaan belum lagi gemar hendak meng gunakan barang buatan Malaysia hatta sa-kechil2 pencil yang ada di-dalam Dewan ini, ini pun datang daripada luar negeri.

jangan ra'ayat khas-nya Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam Ke menterian Kesihatan.

Saya gemar hendak menyentoh sadikit sahaja ia-itu satu perkara yang berlaku di-kalangan ra'ayat, di-luar bandar, berhubong dengan perkhid matan pegawai2 perubatan memberi ubat chuchok kapada orang2 sakit.
Saya minta supaya berchermat dan berhemat2 dengan minta ketentuan umor, sa-mata2 memegang kapada kad pengenalan yang ada pada mereka itu, terkadang dengan sebab tidak sa-imbang umor dan ubat yang di-suntik mengakibahkan mereka berapa lama daripada lepas itu telah jatoh pengsan dan ada pula yang maut waktu balek ka-rumah.

Jadi hal yang macham ini orang luar bandar, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, memang suka ubat chuchok, sebab dia kata ubat chuchok ini sangat mustajab.
Jadi, dengan sebab sukakan ubat chuchok dengan ada-nya keadaan macham.

ini akan meliarkan pula hati ra'ayat mahu ber ubat kapada jabatan perubatan yang di-lancharkan oleh Kerajaan.

Yang kedua, dallam Kesibatan ini ini juga.


Saya minta Kementerian memikirkan pandangan saya ini de· ngan mengadakan pelawat2 ug_ama kapada rumah2 sakit yang ada ·dalam tanah ayer kita, khas-nya kapada orang2 sakit yang nazak sakit yang kuat, dengan tujuan supaya dapat pelawat2 ugama itu memberi nasihat ugama atau memberi ajaran kalimah shahadad kira-nya mereka akhir kalam di-tempat itu.
Yang ketiga-nya, hendak-lah di-buat satu tempat perasingan-tempat sim panan mayat-mayat orang Islam dengan orang yang bukan Islam itu jangan kita champorkan, kalau bofoh saya minta supaya dapat di-perasing kan antara mayat Islam dengan mayat orang yang bukan Islam.

Mr Speaker: Panjang lagi?

7037 23 MARCH 1966 7038 Enche' Ahmad bin Anhad: 5 minit lagi.

Mr Speaker: The 6.30 p.m. time J'.lOW is ADJOURNMENT (MOTION) Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do now adjourn.
Dato' Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

ADJOURNMENT SPEECH MENGGUNAKAN TANAH LOM BONG UNTOK BERCHUCHOK TANAM Dato' Dr Haji Megat Khas (Kuala Kangsar): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan telah saya kemukakan pada yang Uchapan Tanggohan ini ia-lah "Ada ikhtiar2 kah Kerajaan menjalankan untok membolehkan tanah2 lombong di-gunakan sa-mula untok bertanam chuehok apabila pekerjaan melombong itu sudah di-akhiri?"
Maka jawapan kapada soalan ini sudah tentu-lah ter pulang kapada Yang Berhormat Men teri Tanah dan Galian kerana ini ada-lah tanggong-jawab beliau pada menjawab-nya.

Saya dengan sa-benar nya tidak pula berniat atau pun meminta ia-itu jawapan akan di-beri .sa.telah sahaja uchapan saya ini tamat kerana tujuan saya ia-lah dengan sa benar-nya membawa perkara ini ka Dewan ini ia-lah memberi pandangan2 yang agar membena di-dalam soalan penggunaan tanah.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-bagaimana yang di-ketahui ramai, sa-kira-nya-lah kita mengarahkan · pandangan kita ka arah bumi tatkala kita terbang di-udara dan tatkala kita melalui kawasan2 yang mana usaha2 perlombongan ada-lah di-jalankan, maka tidak dapat tidak pandangan kita ia-lah kapada itu lubang2 yang berisi ayer dan juga kapada bukit2 yang kechil ia-itu timbunan daripada pasir daripada lombong2 yang telah di-kerjakan dan kull'lpulan2 ayer ia-lah dengan itu sebab lubang2 itu telah pun habis isi nya dan akhir-nya · di-tinggalkan di-situ sahaja.
·Maka pandangan yang di- dapati itu bukan-lah satu pandangan yang molek atau pun pandangan yang istimewa yang membawakan kesukaan atau pun keseronokan kapada mata kita yang memandang.

Sa-balek-nya pandangan itu tersangat-lah burok dan menyedehkan kerana ia-itu berlainan sangat daripada pandangan yang hijau dan subor yang kita dapati di-dalam kawasan2 yang lain di-seluroh negara ini.

sa-macham Kandongan pandangan itu, sa-bagai mana yang saya katakan tadi, ia-lah lubang dan pasir.
Jika di-hetong jumlah2 tanah yang ada berkeadaan yang sa-demikian, tidak dapat tidak bukan-lah 100 bukan-lah 200 malahan nya beribu2 ekar yang telah menjadi tertinggal ini.
Maka sekarang dengan ada-nya Kerajaan ranchangan berbagai2 menjalankan membangunkan ekonomi negara, telah nyata-lah tanah2 yang di-lombong itu tidak berapa berguna lagi, lebeh2 lagi daripada segi pertanian, kerana tanah yang di-tinggalkan itu berupa tanah lembah yang berisi ayer dan berupa bukit2 yang kechil daripada timbunan2 pasir di-mana tidak acfa baja atau pun zat2 yang membolehkan benda tum bohan di-atas tanah bertumboh sama sa-kali bagaimana yang kita tengok di-padang2 pasir di-negeri2 lain.
tanah yang Sa-benar-nya oleh sebab kesukaran lapang di menchari kawasan2 bandar dan di-sekitar-nya, tanah2 lombong yang tinggal ini ada kala-nya telah di-gunakan oleh Kera jaan untok membena rumah2 murah di-dalam ranchangan rumah murah, perusahaan rumah murah yang sedang di-kelolakan oleh Kerajaan pada masa sekarang.
Chontoh-nya, tidak usah-lah di jauh, di-Kuala Lumpur Kampong Pandan, mithalan-nya, dan di-Selangor ini di-kawasan Rawang, di-Perak di-kawasan Manjor Baharu dan juga di-kawasan Bukit Merah, ada-lah tanah lombong yang sudah tertinggal yang di-perbuat dan di perbaiki menjadi tempat rumah, Maka dengan ada-nya tanah yang sa-macham ini t.ertingg:tl bagitu ya.ng tlclak ada di-gunakan, banyak-lah juga kumpulan orang2 daripada peladang, ia-itu orang China khas-nya, yang telah memandu ini, 7039 23 MARCH 1966 7040 menggunakan tanah2 yang tertinggal itu untok menanam ubi kayu tetapi dengan tidak ada zat dan baja-nya ada-lah kehasilan yang di-dapati oleh mereka itu tidak memuaskan hati dan tidak menjadi satu benda yang men jadikan keuntongan.
Maka dengan ada nya kelaparan tanah di-kalangan ra'ayat di-negara ini pada masa ini, saya berasa ia-itu tanah2 lombong yang telah di-kerjakan itu hendak-lah di-kaji oleh pehak Kerajaan untok memuleh kan supaya dapat.

ra'ayat bertanam chuchok dan chara2-nya boleh-lah di serahkan kapada pakar2 yang tertentu yang boleh mengendalikan perkara ini.
Bagi masa yang akan datang Kerajaan sa-elok2-nya tidak-lah membenarkan sa-suatu kawasan tanah yang mungkin di-lombong itu di-lombong terus sa macham yang telah sudah, melainkan tanah yang di-atas yang apabila mengandongi baja dan zat2 itu telah di-ambit terlebeh dahulu dan di sabelahkan-kata-lah sa-kaki atau dua kaki, di-sabelahkan, di-buboh satu tempat, satu kawasan yang tertentu, telah di kerana apabila kerjakan dan telali habis boleh-lah tanah yang berbaja itu di letakkan balek dan barangkali boleh itu kita memulehkan dengan tanah itu untok berchuchok tanam.
Dan kalau sa-kira-nya dengan pan dangan saya yang chetek dan tidak ada pengalaman yang dalam dalam jadi perkara ini, perkara .

itu boleh satu perkara prektik yang mem bolehkan tanah itu di-gunakan balek elok-lah di-kaji oleh Kerajaan dan juga saya kehendaki kalau-lah sa-kira-nya prektik juga ia-itu lombong2 yang telah di-kerjakan yang meninggalkan lubang yang berisi ayer itu di:kambus balek supaya rata.
Jadi dengan juga tanah2 itu boleh di-gunakan oleh jelata yang suka bertanam ra'ayat chuchok kerana kita berkehendakkan negara kita supaya berdiri di-atas kaki sendiri dengan chara bertanam padi dan sa-bagai-nya.

Saya juga faham ia itu sa sa-kira-nya perkara yang macham ini, walau pun prektik dan boleh di-buat.
tetapi akan menjadi satu halangan kapada pelombong2 kerana dengan sa-terus-nya dia hendak men jalankan pelombongan itu tidak dapat tanah itu isi-nya jalan itu tertentu melainkan sharat2 yang itu di-tunaikan.
Tetapi sa-balek-nya saya berasa ia-itu Kerajaan sendiri boleh mengelolakan perkara itu kalau-lah dengan jentera, mithalan-nya, lapisan tanah yang di-atas itu yang berisi baja itu di-sabelahkan, tetapi dengan sharat meminta di-bayark~n balek perbelan jaan yang kena kapada Kerajaan itu daripada pelombong ini chuma, Tuan, pandangan saya, kerana ada-lah perkara ini patut-lah di-kaji kalau sa-kira-nya boleh, kalau tidak boleh, biar-lah kami tahu supaya tanah2 itu jangan-lah membazir saperti yang ada pada masa ini.
itu.

Maka Saya menguchapkan terima kaseh kapada Tuan, kerana memberi saya peluang memberi pandangan dalam Majlis ini walau pun Majlis ini i tetapi saya harapkan ia-itu kosong, apa yang di-katakan it.u boleh-lah menjadi satu perkara yang menimbul kan fikiran.

Terima kaseh.
Terima kaseh.

The Minister of Lands and Mines (Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mengu chapkan beribu2 terima kaseh kapada telah Yang Berhormat mengemukakan satu perkara yang saya bersetuju memang sangat penting di dalam negara kita ini.
tadi yang Di-sini saya suka menerangkan ka pada Yang Berhormat itu dan kapada Majlis ini, ia-itu satu penyiasatan telah di-jalankan lebeh kurang dua tahun dahulu oleh Bahagian Penyelidekan, Jabatan Galian di-bawah Kementerian saya apa-kah tanaman2 yang boleh tumboh di-atas tanah yang telah di-lombong.

Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, malang-nya terpaksa di penyiasatan bantutkan, oleh kerana jabatan ter sebut tadi sangat kekurangan pegawai2.
untok menentukan tersebut saya Kementerian berpendapat bahawa penyiasatan yang sa-lanjut-nya patut atau pun boleh di-jalankan oleh Jabatan Pertanian di-bawah Kernen• terian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerja tugas yang sama yang mempunyai lebeh tepat mengenai masaalah tanah / / / 7041 23 MARCH 1966 7042 dan chuchok tanam.
Saya telah men dapat jawapan daripada Kementerian yang tersebut yang berbunyi demikian: The only comment which we can offer is about the research on disused mining land which it is suggested that the Division of Agriculture should undertake.

It is regretted that owing to shortage of staff this is not possible at present, nor in the forceiable future.

Ini-lah jawapan darlpada Kemen terian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerja sama.
Jabatan Lombong tidak mem punyai pakar2 mengenai masaalah untok memulehkan sa-mula tanah itu supaya dapat tanah yang bekas di lombong di-gunakan untok berchuchok tanam di-masa yang akan datang.

Bagaimana pun kita telah mengambil perhatian yang berat, dan sa-bagai mana yang baharu saya terangkan tadi, penyiasatan telah pun kita jalan kan, tetapi dukachita-nya oleh sebab tenaga kita kurang, maka penyiasatan itu telah bantut.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya telah juga di-beri nasihat oleh pegawai2 yang berkenaan di-bawah Kementerian saya mengenai chara2 lain yang di-jalankan di-negeri2 lain saperti Amerika dan Canada di-dalam masaalah ini, ya'ani untok membolehkan tanah yang telah di-lombong supaya dapat di-gunakan untok pertanian kemudian.

Sa-bagai telah di-nyatakan oleh mana yang Yang Berhormat lebeh tadi, ya'ani kurang sa-kaki atau pun dua kaki tanah yang atas sa-kali di-singkirkan dan jangan di-lombong.
Jadi, apabila tidak ada perusahaan melombong di lagi, jalankan itu boleh di tanah sa-mula, di-kambus dan balekkan lain2• Nasihat yang telah saya terima dad pada pegawai2 di-bawah Kementerian saya ia-lah chara ini tidak dapat kita gunakan di-negeri ini, kerana di-sini kita mempunyai deposit sa-hingga ka muka tanah sa-kali, ya'ani "alluvial deposit".

Di-sana deposit-nya itu "mineral deposit" ada-lah jauh dalam Ini-lah perbezaan-nya.

Oleh tanah.
Oleh tanah.

tanah sebab yang demikian, di-sini yang di-atas sa-kali ta' dapat kita hendak singkirkan sama ada satu kaki atau dua kaki.

Maka tidak-lah dapat kita mengamalkan di-sini sistem yang telah di-amalkan oleh pehak yang berkenaan di-Canada atau pun di Amerika.
Bagaimana pun berkenaan dengan chadangan yang kedua yang di-kemukakan oleh Yang Berhormat itu tadi, ya'ani "kambus dan rata kan" -itu memang kita buat pada masa ini dan memang menjadi sharat yang biasa di-dalam lesen2 atau permit lombong, supaya pehak yang di-beri lesen itu menjalankan, filling dan level ling, ya'ani kambus, atau pun merata kan tanah itu sa-mula sa-telah per usahaan melombong habis.
Sa-lain daripada itu, Ahli Yang Ber hormat telah memberi penjelasan ka pada kita ia-itu ada perusahaan2 , saperti perusahaan rumah, yang boleh menggunakan tanah2 yang bekas di gunakan untok perlombongan.

Itu kita nampak di-Kuala Lumpur dan juga di-negeri Perak.

Saya dapat tahu juga ya'ani ada perusahaan persendirian yang men jalankan penyiasatan masing2 untok menchari bagaimana chara-nya tanah ini dapat di-hidup sa-mula.
Maka menanam gajus dan lain2• Ini bererti bahawa kita memang-lah ada menim bangkan perkara ini dengan mengambil perhatian yang berat.

Saya chuba akan berunding lagi dengan pehak Kemen terian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerja ini.

Sa-takat sama dalam masaalah ini-lah sahaja penerangan yang dapat saya berikan.

Sa-kali lagi saya mengu chapkan beribu2 terima kaseh kapada Yang Berhormat yang telah mengambil perhatian yang berat dalam perkara ini.

Terima kaseh.

Question put, and agreed to.

Adjourned at 6.45 p.m.