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UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 1 THURSDAY, 09 JUNE 2022 ____ PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY ____ The House met at 14:02.

The Speaker took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment of silence for prayer or meditation The SPEAKER: Hon Members, order!

Hon member, in the interest of safety, for all present in the Chamber, please, keep your masks on and sit in your designated area.

Thank you.
Thank you.

APPROPRIATION BILL Debate on Vote No 1 – The Presidency: The PRESIDENT: Speaker of the National Assembly; Deputy President of the Republic, David Dabede Mabuza; Ministers and Deputy Ministers; hon members and fellow South Africans, ... Mr A MATUMBA: Order, Chair.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 2 The SPEAKER: Yes, point of order.

Hon members, order!

Order!

From all sides, order!


Mr A MATUMBA: Chair, on a point of order: My order is on ... Speaker, my order is, today, we cannot find ourselves ...

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: What are you saying?

Get closer to the mic.

Order, hon members.

Please!

You may be seated, Mr President.

Mr A MATUMBA: Chair, my order is on ...

[Interjections.]

Speaker, my order is on the President.

He is currently suffering from acquired intellectual ...

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Please, take your seat ....


[Interjections.]

That is not a point of order.

Take your seat!

[Interjections.]

That is not a point of order.

Hon Mafumba, that is not a point of order!

Take your seat!

Mr A MATUMBA: Speaker, I have not finished, but you are saying that I must take my seat.

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Hon Mafumba, take your seat!

[Interjections.]

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 3 Ms P P MAKHUBELE-MARILELE: ... is insulting us as the ANC.
[Interjections.]

He cannot insult the President.

If he has something to say, let him say what he wants to say in a respectful manner.

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Hon member, take your seat!

There is no point of order!

[Interjections.]

Ms P P MAKHUBELE-MARILELE: You are the one who is suffering from whatever you are accusing the President of suffering from.

The President is not suffering from anything.

[Interjections.]

We are also calling an order on you.

[Interjections.]
[Interjections.]

Mr A MATUMBA: Speaker, you must give me ... Ms P P MAKHUBELE-MARILELE: You are not given anything.

You have already insulted us.

You are not given anything.

You have already insulted the President.

What is he suffering from?

[Interjections.]

Mr A MATUMBA: Speaker, you must make a ruling, after I have addressed you.

[Interjections.]

I have not addressed you, but you are already making a ruling.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 4 Ms P P MAKHUBELE-MARILELE: You don’t need to be given a ruling.

You are unruly.

Mr A MATUMBA: You are making a ruling on what?

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Mr Matumba, please, take your seat.

[Interjections.]

The DEPUTY CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: Speaker, the programme of Parliament is very clear.

Today, we are dealing with Vote 1, the Budget Vote on the Presidency.
The programme was adopted by the Programming Committee this morning.

So, nothing has changed and we will not allow anything to be done, other than the Budget Vote on the Presidency.

I thank you.

The SPEAKER: Mr President, you may proceed with you Budget Vote Speech.

Mr A MATUMBA: Order, Chair.

My order is allowed!

It is Matumba, not Mafumba.

The SPEAKER: Hon Matumba, what is the point of order?

[Interjections.]
[Interjections.]

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 5 Mr A MATUMBA: My order is clear.

Let me raise my order.

My order is clear.

[Interjections.]

My order is clear.

The SPEAKER: Hon members on the virtual platform, stop it, please.

[Interjections.]

Mr A MATUMBA: Speaker, my order is on the risk of this Parliament.

I am saying, if the President is to address us, he will infect us with acquired intellectual intelligence deficiency syndrome.

So, ...

[Interjections.]


The SPEAKER: Hon Matumba, take your seat!

[Interjections.]

Mr B A RADEBE: Hon Speaker, I am rising on the Rule on a point of order: We have already taken a decision around this matter.

So, I request that your decision be respected and that we continue.

Mr J S MALEMA: Speaker, on a point of order: I don’t think we are going to run this Parliament like that, because you don’t give a speaker an opportunity to express himself and then he gives you the point ...

[Interjections.]
[Interjections.]

... which he is rising on.

He gets interrupted and then you allow that.

Can UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 6 you allow the speaker to make his point and make a ruling ...

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Hon Malema, hon Rosina Machwene, will you please mute your microphones.

Please.

Hon members, those who have not been given the opportunity to take the floor, will you please mute your mics.

[Interjections.]

Hon member, will you please take a seat!


Mr W T LETSIE: Speaker, no, we have raised our hands on the platform.

Hon Malema just rises and you recognise him.

You don’t recognise us and we have raised our hands on the platform.

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Hon member, I am sorry.

Hon Matumba had his hand up in the Chamber here.

I am now recognising hon Phiri.

Sit down, hon Matumba, please.

Mr A MATUMBA: But I am still on the floor, Chair.

The SPEAKER: You are not on the floor.


Mr A MATUMBA: I am still on the floor.

We cannot have a person ...

[Interjection.]

We cannot have a person who is not loyal UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 7 to his own country to ...

[Interjection.]

Can you rule on that?

Can a man who is not loyal to ...

[Interjection.]

It cannot be possible.

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Hon members!

Can you please mute the members on the virtual platform?

[Interjection.]
[Interjection.]

Mr A MATUMBA: Speaker, that is my order.

You cannot have a man who is not loyal to his country to address that country.

[Interjection.]

.... take money to the bank, a man who fire his own employee ... Mr J S MALEMA: Madam Speaker, we are muted here.

We don’t hear anything.

[Interjection.]

We are muted!

We are muted!

We cannot hear anything.

[Interjection.]

We are muted!

Mr X NQOLA: Speaker, we are completely out of the House.
We cannot hear anything and we are muted ... Mr W T LETSIE: Yes, can ICT people please assist us?

We cannot hear.

Mr J S MALEMA: Can we be allowed to speak?

We are muted here.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 8 Mr V ZUNGULA: In fact, they must go back and start from scratch.

We cannot hear anything.

Mr J S MALEMA: We never heard anything.

Can you protect us?

[Interjections.]


The SPEAKER: ... within which to sort out the problem, so that those who are on the virtual platform are able to follow the proceedings.

[Interjections.]

An HONOURAL MEMBER: This is not your house.

You will speak at your house.

We are all equal here, whether one came late and the other one came earlier.

We are all equal.

The SPEAKER: ICT, are we okay now?

[Interjections.]

An HONOURAL MEMBER: You can do that to the rest of the ANC people who do not have a mask.
You cannot instruct me.

Who are you to instruct me?

An HONOURAL MEMBER: Put on your mask first, put on your mask.

The SPEAKER: I’m told that the system is still being tested, hon members.

Patience, please.

[Interjections.]

Hon members, UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 9 we will now proceed with the debate and I want to caution all members, please, if you have not ...
Even if you have raised your hands, if you have not been given an opportunity to speak, please, wait until you are given that opportunity.

This applies to everybody, including those who are on the virtual platform.

Hon members, I do have people here who are checking how many hands we have on the virtual platform.

May I now allow Mr President to continue with his Vote.
Mr J S MALEMA: On a point of order: I was on the floor and I was rudely interrupted and what followed after that, I could not hear, because we were muted on the platform.

We are members of this ...

[Interjections.]

We must also be taken into confidence with what transpired when we were muted.
The SPEAKER: Hon Malema, may I plead with you who are the leader of a political party, that you do not just barge in, you raise your hand and you draw my attention to you and then we give you the opportunity to speak.

Don’t just shout from the virtual platform.

It is incorrect.

Mr J S MALEMA: Hon Speaker, I was on the platform.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 10 The SPEAKER: For the sake of the decorum of the House, I plead with you, I plead with you.
Now, I recognise you.

Mr J S MALEMA: Hon Speaker, hon Matumba stood up on a point of order.

He was rudely interrupted and I will ask that he be given an opportunity to present his point of order and then you make a ruling, because at the point you were making a ruling, we were muted and we were not able to follow the proceedings.

That is where I come from.

Thank you.

Mr B A RADEBE: Hon Speaker, I am rising on Rule 92(8): It says that once the Speaker has made a ruling on a matter, it is done.
You gave the other member a chance to raise his point of order and he did raise it and you made a ruling.

So, I request, let us respect your ruling.

If he has an objection to the ruling, they know where to go to.

Thank you.

Mr W T I MAFANYA: Chair, on a point of order: What was the ruling?

What was the ruling?

On what?

On what?

On was the ruling.

The SPEAKER: Hon Mafanya, remove your mask and then you can speak.

I am sorry.
I am sorry.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 11 Mr W T I MAFANYA: Chair, ...

The SPEAKER: I actually read my ruling.

I actually said, hon member, that I am using Rule 92 and I went on and I read that Rule and I went on to say that there is not a transgression here and that there was a Programming Committee this morning, which finalised the programme.

It was presented to all Chief Whips and this matter has been standing on the agenda or programme of Parliament.
So, today, we are dealing with the budget of the Presidency.

And I have invited the President to take the floor and address Parliament.

Hon Mafanya, will you please now that I have clarified the matter to you, take your seat.

Mr W T I MAFANYA: Chair, on a point of order: I want to put it on record that the President... A charge has been opened against the President.

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: No, hon ...

[Interjections.]

Thank you very much.


Hon Mafanya, ... Mr W T I MAFANYA: There is a case of criminality that has been opened against the President, and ... UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 12 The SPEAKER: ...

I have asked you to desist from this unbecoming behaviour.

Mr W T I MAFANYA: ... and yet today, you want us to ....

[Interjections.]

... the law, to address us.


The SPEAKER: Yes, hon Gungubele, but I don’t want to be delayed, because the hon member is not ready to take his seat.

The MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY: Hon Speaker, I thought if one were to remember what hon Pandor said, I think that it is logical, if somebody keep being irrelevant, and the second one repeats the same irrelevance, we request the Speaker with precision, to actually give those people the penalty they deserve.
I cannot explain what it is, because that member is repeating an issue on which you have made a ruling.

I think we would request your indulgence ...

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Thank you very much.

Hon Gungubele, I want to follow every step to the letter, so that when I finally have to throw people out, no one will say, I did not give them the opportunity to speak.

IsiXhosa: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 13 Uuabona, Mathunywa.
English: Hon Mafanya, do you still have a point of order?

[Interjections.]

If you don’t, thank you very much.

I now invite the President to take the ...

[Interjections.]

I am not allowing anyone ...

The SPEAKER ... Mr President, please take the floor Ms E N NTLANGWINI: On a point of order, Speaker.

Mr W T I MAFANYA: Order, Madam Speaker.

Ms E N NTLANGWINI: On a point of order, Speaker.

Mr W T I MAFANYA: Order, Madam Speaker.

Ms E N NTLANGWINI: On a point of order, Speaker.


The SPEAKER: Hon Ntlangwini, point of order?

Ms E N NTLANGWINI: Thank you very much, Speaker.

Speaker, we can’t be addressed by a money launderer and a criminal.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 14 The SPEAKER: No hon ... Ms E N NTLANGWINI: We can’t be addressed ...

The SPEAKER: Please hon member, withdraw that.

Ms E N NTLANGWINI: We can’t be addressed by a person that ...

The SPEAKER: Hon member?


Ms E N NTLANGWINI: The President is accused of serious crimes.

We can’t be addressed by a person like this.

The SPEAKER: Hon member, withdraw that!

Ms E N NTLANGWINI: This is an honourable House.

We can’t be addressed by a person with such huge accusations behind him.

The SPEAKER: Will you please withdraw that?

An HON MEMBER: Order Chair!

The SPEAKER: Now, I warn you!

I warn you!

I said you should withdraw that statement.

I said withdraw ...

[Inaudible.]


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 15 Ms E N NTLANGWINI: Hon Speaker, we can’t be addressed by a person who has such serious accusations behind him.

How do you allow that?

An HON MEMBER: Point of order, Chair.

Ms E N NTLANGWINI: You are supposed to protect this House.

The SPEAKER: Hon Ntlangwini, desist from this ... Ms E N NTLANGWINI: You are supposed to protect us and protect this House.

The SPEAKER: I have warned you.


Will you please desist from this behaviour?

Now, hon Ntlangwini, I have requested you to withdraw.

Ms E N NTLANGWINI: Hon Speaker, I ...

The deputy president of the EFF wants to speak on the virtual platform and you are not noting him.

You are not noting him.

The SPEAKER: Hon Ntlangwini?

Mr N F SHIVAMBU: On a point of order.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 16 Ms E N NTLANGWINI: He has been calling points of order for the longest ...
[Inaudible.]

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Hon Ntlangwini, withdraw that statement.

Mr N F SHIVAMBU: On a point of order, Speaker.

The SPEAKER: Yes, point of order?

Mr N F SHIVAMBU: The point of order is that there is not going to be any withdrawal for referring to Cyril Ramaphosa as a money launderer.

That is a fact which has not ...

[Inaudible.]

... disproven.

The SPEAKER: Thank you very much.

Hon Ntlangwini?

Mr N F SHIVAMBU: ...

[Inaudible.]


... there is no withdrawal that is going to take place because he is accused of serious crimes and we cannot be intimidated by you, by anyone.

We have a right here in Parliament to raise an issue of a President who is accused of serious crimes.

So we can never just withdraw things that are true.

What are we if we are just going to be made to withdraw things that are true?

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 17 The SPEAKER: Hon Ntlangwini?
Hon Ntlangwini?

May I ... Hon Shivambu?

Will you please mute hon Shivambu.

Please mute hon Shivambu.

Please mute hon Shivambu.

Hon Ntlangwini, I have requested you to withdraw the statement you made and you are refusing.

I’ve requested you twice to withdraw and you are refusing to withdraw.

Now I am warning you, hon member.

Please ... Mr A MATUMBA: Order, Chair.

Order, Chair.

It’s a political statement.

She can’t withdraw a political statement.

Chair, she can’t withdraw a political statement.


The SPEAKER: Sit!

Mr A MATUMBA: We are here.

We are politicians and we must make political statements.

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Hon members!

Now, hon ... Mr A MATUMBA: So, it’s a political statement that the President is a money launderer.

He laundered 60 million on his farm.

It’s clear he is a money launderer.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 18 The SPEAKER: Hon Ntlangwini, you are refusing to withdraw.
Will you please leave the Chamber?

Will you please leave the Chamber?

Mr A MATUMBA: The President is here.

Let him answer for himself.

Ms J TSHABALALA: Point of order.

Point of order.

Mr A MATUMBA: President, did you launder money?

Let him answer.

He’s there.

He’s seated.

Ms E N NTLANGWINI: What must I withdraw?

You didn’t say what I must withdraw.

The SPEAKER: That which you said.

Ms E N NTLANGWINI: What must I withdraw?


Mr A MATUMBA: President Cyril Ramaphosa, did you launder 60 million on your farm?

[Interjections.]

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 19 Ms P P MAKHUBELE-MARILELE: Floyd, your name is also mentioned in the murder of Gardee’s child.

Why are you speaking here in Parliament?

[Interjections.]

An HON MEMBER: They must be chased out.

They must just leave.

The SPEAKER: ...

[Inaudible.]

... will you please leave the Chamber?


[Interjections.]

Mr J S MALEMA: Repeat it outside.

An HON MEMBER: We are not going anywhere.

[Interjections.]

An HON MEMBER: We are not going anywhere.

[Interjections.]

Mr K CEZA: We are not going anywhere.

No-one is going to leave the House here.

[Interjections.]

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: [Inaudible.]

Ms C C S MOTSEPE: No-one is going anywhere.

An HON MEMBER: Leave!

Leave!

[Interjections.]


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 20 An HON MEMBER: The kidnapper must go!

[Interjections.]

Ms J TSHABALALA: Hon Speaker, thank you for recognising me.

I rise ...

The SPEAKER: Serjeant-at-arms, please remove the members.

Serjeant-at-arms, I requested hon Ntlangwini and hon Matumba to leave the House and they are refusing.

Remove them!

[Applause.]

Remove them from the House!

An HON MEMBER: Madam Speaker?

Madam Speaker?


Mr A MATUMBA: She didn’t speak to us.

I didn’t hear her ...

[Inaudible.]

... She must say it to us, then we can leave.

No, I didn’t hear her.

I didn’t hear her.

I didn’t hear that.

Speaker, our members of the EFF on the platform are muted.

[Interjections.]

Mr S TAMBO: On a point of order.

On a point of order, Speaker.

[Interjections.]

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: We have raised our hands on the platform, Speaker.

Can we be recognised please?

[Interjections.]


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 21 Mr J S MALEMA: Speaker, on a point of order.

[Interjections.]

An HON MEMBER: You won’t be recognised.

Just get out!

The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE, LAND REFORM AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT: Hon Speaker?

The SPEAKER: Hon Didiza, will you please give me an opportunity to get these members out first?

Mr J S MALEMA: No, it doesn’t work that way.

[Interjections.]

Hon Speaker, it doesn’t ...


[Inaudible.]

... You are ejecting the wrong people.

[Interjections.]

Speaker, you can’t treat members as a group.

[Interjections.]

Speaker, you can’t address members as a group.

You are going to have to address them one by one.

[Inaudible.]

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Hon Ntlangwini and hon Matumba ...

[Inaudible.]

[Interjections.]

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: You must tell Ramaphosa to leave, not Members of Parliament.

Tell Ramaphosa.

[Interjections.]


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 22 The SPEAKER: Hon Ntlangwini!

No hon ... Hon members!

Hon Ntlangwini ...

[Inaudible.]

[Interjections.]

... given you an opportunity, together with hon Matumba ...

[Inaudible.]

Mr P G MOTEKA: Mr buffalo must leave the House.

Mr buffalo.

An HON MEMBER: Speaker?

Speaker?

Ms C C S MOTSEPE: Ramaphosa must also leave the House.

An HON MEMBER: Speaker, on a point of order.


An HON MEMBER: You yourself must leave the House.

[Interjections.]

Mr J S MALEMA: Speaker, you can’t remove members as a group.

[Interjections.]

Speaker, you have to explain to each and every member what ...

[Inaudible.]

The SPEAKER: ...

[Inaudible.]

... comply with the directives of the Chair.

An HON MEMBER: You can’t even explain.

[Interjections.]
[Interjections.]

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 23 Ms H O MKHALIPHI: You want the Members of Parliament to be beaten?

[Interjections.]

Your hands are dirty, like Baleka.

The SPEAKER: Your conduct is now directly impeding the ability of the House ...

[Inaudible.]

[Interjections.]

Ms P P MAKHUBELE-MARILELE: Shivambu, your name is out there.

They are saying that you are involved in the murder of Gardee’s child.

[Interjections.]
[Interjections.]

An HON MEMBER: Speaker, on a point of order.

[Interjections.]

Can you recognise me?

Speaker, can you recognise me?

Mr N F SHIVAMBU: On a point of order.

[Interjections.]

An HON MEMBER: Speaker, the deputy president is calling a point of order.

[Interjections.]

An HON MEMBER: Those bouncers have no right to touch our members.

They have no right to touch our members.

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Natasha, moer [beat] those idiots!

Moer them!

Moer them![Interjections.]


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 24 An HON MEMBER: Speaker, you are removing the wrong people.

You are supposed to remove the kidnapper.

[Interjections.]

An HON MEMBER: Take them out!

We want to proceed with the ... House!

[Interjections.]

An HON MEMBER: You will never proceed.

You will never.

[Interjections.]

The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE, LAND REFORM AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT: Thank you very much, hon Speaker.
Hon Speaker, on a point of order.

Mr N F SHIVAMBU: On a point of order.

The SPEAKER: Yes, hon Didiza, on a point of order?

Sorry, hon members, the sound is really not good.

I can hardly hear ...

[Inaudible.]

[Interjections.]

The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE, LAND REFORM AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT: Hon Speaker ...

[Inaudible.]

... you made a ruling that hon Ntlangwini must leave the House.

As she resisted, she actually made a statement which is unparliamentary.
She said, we cannot be addressed by a criminal and ...

[Inaudible.]

[Interjections.]

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 25 An HON MEMBER: Yes, Ramaphosa is a criminal!

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Thank you, hon Didiza.

An HON MEMBER: We are absolutely fed up with your criminality.

The SPEAKER: Unfortunately, I did not hear that.

Therefore, I will have to go back to Hansard and come back to give a ruling.

Hon Tshabalala?

An HON MEMBER: On a point of order, Speaker.


[Interjections.]

Ms J TSHABALALA: Hon Speaker, I will also rise on that order that ... can we have control over the virtual platform.

Those are not recognised to speak on the virtual platform clearly ... because it is distracting the House.

Can it be muted?

An HON MEMBER: Wena, mrs daisy, please!

[Interjections.]

Ms J TSHABALALA: ...

[Inaudible.]

That’s what I’m talking about, Speaker.

Can that be muted?

[Interjections.]

[Inaudible.]


... on this issue ...

[Inaudible.]

[Interjections.]

... on the same matter ...

[Inaudible.]

[Interjections.]

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 26 The SPEAKER: Hon members on the virtual platform, once more I appeal to you not to just barge in and speak.

I really want to make an appeal.

An HON MEMBER: Speaker, can you please recognise me?

Mr J S MALEMA: Our hands are up, Speaker.


The SPEAKER: Equally, I want to make an appeal to everybody in the Chamber.

Hon members ...

[Inaudible.]

An HON MEMBER: Can you recognise us on the platform?

Our hands are up.

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: ...

[Inaudible.]

... people can’t hear my instruction.

Thank you very much, hon members.

Hon Malema, what’s your point of order?

[Interjections.]
[Interjections.]

Mr J S MALEMA: Hon Speaker, it is unacceptable for you to call security on members ... An HON MEMBER: Julius, you are not recognised.

You are not special.

Keep quiet.

[Interjections.]

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 27 Mr J S MALEMA: But I am recognised.

What do you mean?

[Interjections.]

The Speaker said hon Malema.


Speaker, you cannot call security on hon member Matumba because you have not followed the same procedure you followed with hon Ntlangwini.

You cannot treat them as a group.

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: ...

[Inaudible.]

... both of them, and both of them are out now.

[Inaudible.]

... an instruction from me ...

[Inaudible.]

... not once or twice but thrice, and I’ve now issued a directive that he should leave the House.
Ms P P MAKHUBELE-MARILELE: Can the President come and address the nation please?

The SPEAKER: Hon members, I will now mute anyone who conducts himself or herself in a manner which is unbecoming.

I will now mute your ...

[Inaudible.]

Ms N V MENTE: Our hands are up, Speaker.

An HON MEMBER: Speaker, my hand is up.

The SPEAKER: Hon member ... Mr President ...

[Interjections.]
[Interjections.]

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 28 Hon Malema, you have raised your point and I’ve responded to you.

[Interjections.]

Mr J S MALEMA: Hon Speaker, it’s not me.

I don’t know why you are calling my name.

I didn’t say anything.

Why are you calling my name?

I didn’t say anything.

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Yes, Mafanya.

Hon member.

Mr W T I MAFANYA: The two comrades that you just told to go out ... not represent themselves.
We have a constituency that we have to look after.

The SPEAKER: Yes?

Mr W T I MAFANYA: Secondly, our mandate ...

The SPEAKER: This is not a point of order, hon member.

Mr W T I MAFANYA: Yes, our mandate is to have clean governance.

The SPEAKER: Please tell me what your point of order is.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 29 An HON MEMBER: Let him finish, Speaker.

Don’t panic.

Mr W T I MAFANYA: There are allegations ...

[Inaudible.]

... against the President.


[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: What is your point of order?

[Interjections.]

Mr W T I MAFANYA: [Inaudible.]

[Interjections.]

... the President.

An HON MEMBER: Which Rule is this?

[Interjections.]

Mr T V MASHELE: On a point of order, Chair.

The SPEAKER: Take your seat.

Take your seat.

An HON MEMBER: You are out of order.

An HON MEMBER: Ask which Rule is this.

Mr T V MASHELE: Okay.

Thank you very much, Chair.


I’m rising on Rule 92, read in line with Rule 66.

Any member who rises here must quote the Rule that he wants to present.

The common sense that we are presented with here cannot go on.

Can you UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 30 please make a ruling that anyone who disrupts the House ... order them to go out so that the President can proceed with ...

[Inaudible.]

[Interjections.]


The SPEAKER: Hon Nqola from the virtual platform?

Mr X NQOLA: Thank you very much, hon Speaker.

There have been many members here who were out of order, such that they deliberately misled this House.

The members that were taken out were given time to echo their order and you ruled on that.

So, I don’t know why we should continue doing this chaos.

I wanted to raise that, Speaker ...

[Inaudible.]

The SPEAKER: Thank you, hon Nqola.

Hon Phiri?


An HON MEMBER: On a point of order, Speaker?

An HON MEMBER: Why are you only recognising ANC Members of Parliament here?

[Interjections.]

My hand has been up for a long time and you are not recognising me.

An HON MEMBER: We have been trying to rise on points of order and you are ignoring us.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 31 The SPEAKER: Hon Phiri, I now recognise you.

An HON MEMBER: Can I be recognised, Speaker?


[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Hon Phiri, I now recognise you.

Ms C M PHIRI: Thank you, hon Speaker.

Allow me to speak in Venda mixed with Sotho as they are all official languages.

Speaker, I want to start by appreciating you for taking Matumba out.

You have done well.

I applaud you for dealing with Matumba.

Ms N K F HLONYANE: What point is that?

What point of order is that?

[Interjections.]

Mr V PAMBO: Praise singing is not a point of order.
Stop being a cheerleader, wena man!

Yassus!

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: [Inaudible.]

...

I recognise hon Letsie.

Hon Letsie?

Mr S TAMBO: Speaker, you are only recognising ANC speakers and you are out of order.

I’ve been raising a point of order here.

You are recognising ANC members in sequence.

What is that?

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 32 Mr W T LETSIE: Thank you very much.

No, you must raise your hand.

Mr S TAMBO: I have been raising my hand.


You are out of order, Speaker.

The SPEAKER: Hon Letsie?

Hon Shivambu?

Mr W T LETSIE: No, it’s me Speaker.

You have not ...

[Inaudible.]

Mr V PAMBO: Now there’s a zombie floating on our screens.

No, you are not recognised there.

Mr W T LETSIE: No, I am recognised ...

[Inaudible.]

Speaker?

Mr N F SHIVAMBU: On a point of order, Speaker.

The SPEAKER: Hon Shivambu, you are recognised.

Mr W T LETSIE: Speaker, I did not waiver my hand.


The SPEAKER: But I have you on the list here.

Thank you.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 33 Mr W T LETSIE: Yes, you recognised me and hon Tambo spoke.

The SPEAKER: Thank you very much.

Hon Makhubele?

Mr W T LETSIE: No, hon Speaker?

Mr S TAMBO: Speaker, you are recognising ANC speakers in sequence and ignoring the EFF.

Why?

[Interjections.]

Ms P P MAKHUBELE-MARILELE: Hon Makhubele here.

Thank you, Speaker.
Thank you, Speaker.

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Hon Letsie?

Mr W T LETSIE: Thank you very much, Speaker.

I said that there are members who are raising their hands on the platform and you are not recognising us when we raise them to the point where some members ... Speaker ... get agitated and speak before ...

So, please rectify that part.

My point of order is that members ... hon Malema and hon Shivambu just rise without being recognised and you recognise them.
Can we please show consistency in recognising those who are raising their hands ...

[Inaudible.]

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 34 Ms O M C MAOTWE: Hey, chief, you’ve got nothing to say, wena man.

Sit down!

Mr W T LETSIE: Can the Table assist you when that happens so that we don’t agitate members and assist these ones ...

[Inaudible.]

Mr T M LANGA: What is the point of order?

An HON MEMBER: What did he say there?

An HON MEMBER: Did he say anything?


[Interjections] The SPEAKER: Thank you, hon Letsie.

Hon Shivambu followed by hon Makhubele.

Mr N F SHIVAMBU: Thank you very much, Speaker.

During the interventions there was one ANC member here who said we are murderers.

They are mistaking us for their President who killed workers in Marikana.

We don’t kill people in the EFF ...

[Inaudible.]

[Interjections.]

It’s your President who kills people.

You in the ANC ...

[Inaudible.]

... everyday ...

[Inaudible.]


I’m calling a point of order to say you must make the member who said that, withdraw that statement.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 35 [Interjections.]

Can you please make that person who said that, withdraw that?

[Interjections.]

Today the message is very clear, that we cannot be addressed by a money launderer.

[Interjections.]

We cannot be addressed by a criminal.


We cannot be addressed by a money launderer, a kidnapper who tortures people.

Ms N P MAHLO: Who are you?

Who are you, wena?

[Interjections.]

Ms C M PHIRI: Venda Building Society, VBS, Shivambu heist.

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Hon Shivambu, can you please withdraw?

Hon Shivambu, you are requested to withdraw.

Hon Shivambu, we are now throwing you out of the system.

Will you please do that?

Mr N F SHIVAMBU: But you can’t throw me out for telling the truth!
[Inaudible.]

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Hon Makhubele, will you please ...

Interjections.]

Mr J S MALEMA: On a point of order, Speaker.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 36 The SPEAKER: Will you please make sure that you remove hon Shivambu.

Hon Makhubele?

Ms P P MAKHUBELE-MARILELE: Thank you, hon Speaker.

Mr J S MALEMA: Hon Speaker, on a point of order.

Hon Speaker, on a point of order.

The SPEAKER: There is no point of order, hon Malema.
I’m not allowing you to speak.

Mr J S MALEMA: The issue of hon Shivambu was ruled on by the court.

The SPEAKER: You’ve been speaking.

I’m not allowing you, hon member.

[Interjections.]

Hon members ... Will you please mute ... Mr J S MALEMA: The issue of hon Shivambu was ruled on by the court ... that we can call Cyril Ramaphosa a murderer.

There is a court ruling on that.

[Interjections.]

[Inaudible.]

There’s a court ruling on that matter.


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 37 The SPEAKER: I said will you please mute the people on the virtual platform.

An HON MEMBER: Why?

Why?

What did we do?

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: But you can’t mute all of us.

We want to speak here.

We have raised our hands here, Speaker.

The DEPUTY CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: I’m rising on a point of procedure.
The Chief Whips in the Programming Committee adopted this programme and the item for today, which is about the Budget Vote on the Presidency.

The Constitution of this country protects all of us.

Sitting here, we are 14 parties.

Hon Speaker, we cannot allow ... to be held at ransom by one party.

Can we as the 13 parties be protected?

We didn’t go anywhere to caucus that we want to disrupt the House.

We are here to execute our mandate as Members of Parliament ... all of us ... all 13 parties.
Can we be protected?

The one party that doesn’t want to be part of the proceedings must be thrown out.

The SPEAKER: Thank you, hon Deputy Chief Whip.

Ms D R DIREKO: Order Speaker.

I have an order, Speaker.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 38 The SPEAKER: Hon members, may I address you?

I’m addressing you now.

Will you wait?

The principle that the privilege of freedom of speech ...

[Interjections.]

... may be ... What’s wrong with you?

I am addressing you.


I am addressing you.

No, don’t scream across.

Hon member?

[Interjections.]

Hon Mafela ... Hon Tafeni?

Yes, thank you.

Thank you, hon member.

Order, hon member!

Hon Zulu, please.
... the principle of the privilege of freedom of speech may be limited only by the Rules was confirmed in the Democratic Alliance v The Speaker of the National Assembly and others ZACC 8, where the Constitutional Court found that the privilege of freedom of speech, “can never go so far as to give members a licence so to disrupt the proceedings of Parliament that it may be hamstrung and incapacitated from conducting its business.” According to the Court, this would detract from the very reason for the existence of Parliament.
Hon members, this which I have just read ... I’m addressing what is happening right now in this Chamber and I am saying to you, will you please stop raising points of order which have no sense.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 39 Ms N TAFENI: Hon Chair?

The SPEAKER: Yes, speak.

IsiXhosa: Nksz N TAFENI: Enkosi Somlomo.

The SPEAKER: Thank you.


IsiXhosa: Nksz N TAFENI: Somlomo, njengoko siwuthanda uMzantsi Afrika, singabemi boMzantsi Afrika, ndicinga ukuba noko umntu xa kusaphandwa ngaye akanalo ilungelo lokuba ...

[Uwele-wele.]

Awunakuthathwa kusini na lo mba unikwe omnye umntu?

The SPEAKER: Hon member, sit down.

Sit down!

IsiXhosa: Ms N TAFENI: Kuba kusaphandwa ngaye kodwa nifuna ukumnika ithuba lokuthetha, kuba kutheni?

Xa siza kubonakala singenasidima eMzantsi Afrika ...[Uwele-wele.]
The SPEAKER: Sit down hon member.

Hon Papo, followed by hon Dyantyi.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 40 IsiXhosa: Nksz N TAFENI: Endaweni yokuba lo mntu asuke abe ehlala phaya ecaleni The SPEAKER: Sit down hon member.

Mr A H M PAPO: Speaker!

The SPEAKER: Yes, hon member!

IsiXhosa: Nksz N TAFENI: Uthule ke wena, wangxola usekwa-A.

Mr A H M PAPO: the same member – you made a ruling on that matter.
The same member is actually repeating what you threw those other members out of the House for.

Secondly, member Shivambu on the virtual platform opened the microphone and started addressing and made unparliamentary statements ...

[Interjections.]

IsiXhosa: ILUNGU ELIHLONIPHEKILEYO: Ayisiso isiphakamiso sonqwanqwado esi uthetha ngaso wena; ... UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 41 English: ... it is not a point of order.
Mr A H M PAPO: You correctly removed him from the platform.

My plea is that, defiance of the ruling you have made empowers you to remove any member on the virtual platform and in the House, because you can’t have a situation where a ruling of a Speaker is defied in the House, is defied on the virtual platform.

Actually, it is even easier on the virtual platform to remove defiant members there.

I am appealing to the Table and yourself to monitor that space.
Remove any member who defies your ruling you have made, that the only matter we are addressing today is the Budget Vote on the Presidency.

Please hon Speaker.

The SPEAKER: Thank you very much hon Papo.

Hon Dyantyi followed by hon Skwatsha.

Hon Dyantyi.

Mr Q R DYANTYI: Thank you hon Speaker.

Mr S TAMBO: Hon Speaker, I have had my hand up for 40 minutes.

You are not recognising the House.


You are treating this House UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 42 as if it is only physical.

You said virtual is part of the House.

Why are we now being muted like this?

The SPEAKER: Table will you please make sure that you mute everybody ... [Interjections] ... sensitise me about ... [Inaudible] ... please.

[Interjections] Mr S TAMBO: On a point of order.

Point of order!
Point of order!

IsiXhosa: ILUNGU ELIHLONIPHEKILEYO: Hayi wena Tambo, ... English: ... relax.

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: But, how are we going to speak when you mute ...[Interjections.]

Mr S TAMBO: On a point of order!

You are excluding the majority of the House which are on the virtual platform.

How do you do that?

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 43 Mr Q R DYANTYI: Thank you hon Speaker.
Following up on the intervention made by hon Papo, I want to draw your attention hon Speaker ...[Interjections.]

Mr P G MOTEKA: Our hands are up.

Mr Q R DYANTYI: ... on both Rule 92 and 70 because as we have started here, quite a number of Rules have been broken.

You have read to the House Rule 92.

I want to refer you to Rule 92, section 6 and 9.

Section 6 says, no point of order may be raised in response to a considered ruling which you have made not once.
Section 9 says, members may not disrupt proceedings by raising points of orders that do not comply with this.

Rule 70 attends to the fact that; these members have been made – hon Tafeni as well as hon ...

I forgot his name ... [Interjections] An HON MEMBER: Help him, Mafanya.

Mr Q R DYANTYI: ... have consistently repeated the same on the same ruling that you have made.

When you speak, in the middle of your ruling they interrupt you.
I urge you, hon Speaker to just be firm, you are well empowered in the Rules.

Even if it UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 44 means one by one, we will deal with that.

We are here for that.

The SPEAKER: Thank you hon Dyantyi.

Ms N TAFENI: Speaker!

Mr W T I MAFANYA: Point of order!

Point of order Speaker, that is intimidation.

The SPEAKER: Hon ... what’s ... Mr W T I MAFANYA: That is plain intimidation whether you say you see, but it is intimidation.

Secondly, ...
Secondly, ...

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Hon Tafeni and hon Mafanya!

Mr W T I MAFANYA: Yes.

The SPEAKER: May I address you!

Ms N TAFENI: But it is a point of order Speaker.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 45 The SPEAKER: Hon Tafeni and hon Mafanya, Rule 92 provides amongst others, I repeat that, a member may raise a point of order at any time during the proceedings of the House, in terms of the procedure prescribed in Rule 66.
A point of order is only allowed if it calls attention to a transgression of a Rule or an accepted parliamentary practise.

Now, I want to proceed by saying, the Constitutional Court ruled that, the privilege of freedom of speech can never go as far as to give members a licence to disrupt the proceedings.

Now, you are disrupting the proceedings.

Hon Tafeni, and hon Mafanya, I did give you an opportunity to speak and I am now ruling that, your points of order are not in line with what I have just read.
Thank you very much.

Ms N TAFENI: Hon Speaker, the EFF members on virtual are muted, all of them ... Isixhosa: ... ngoko ndicela ... [Ngokungavakaliyo]... English: ... all of us.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 46 The SPEAKER: Hon Tafeni!

Ms N TAFENI: Speaker!

The SPEAKER: Hon Tafeni, I warn you.

[Interjections] I warn you hon Tafeni.

Serjeant-at-arms will you please proceed to help assist ...[Interjections.]
Ms N TAFENI: Unmute those members that are not ...[Inaudible.]

The SPEAKER: Assist hon Tafeni.

Mr W T I MAFANYA: On a point of order Chair!

Madam Speaker!

The SPEAKER: Hon ... Mr W T I MAFANYA: It seems you are going to remove all of us.

I want to put this thing on record.

Madam Speaker, I want to put this on record.

The country is where ...[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Hon Mafanya!

Mr S TAMBO: On a point of order Speaker!


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 47 Mr X NQOLA: What point are you rising on?

Mr W T I MAFANYA: ... because of the actions of the ruling party.

They even defended President Zuma ...[Interjections.]

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: But Speaker she is raising a relevant point there; you can’t mute us on the platform.

Why are you ...[Interjections.]

Mr P M P MODISE: Which Rule are you rising on?


Mr S TAMBO: You have muted the majority of Parliament on the virtual platform, you are out of order.

How do you do that?

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: But you are worse than Baleka now.

[Interjections] The SPEAKER: Hon Mafanya!

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Why are you removing ...[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Hon Mafanya, why are you disregarding the ruling of the Chair?
[Interjections] UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 48 Mr S TAMBO: You have muted Parliament.

[Interjections] IsiXhosa: ILUNGU ELIHLONIPHEKILEYO: Sikhutshelwa ni?

English: We want to know.

IsiXhosa: Sikhutshelwa ni emsebenzini?

[Uwele-wele] An HON MEMBER: You don’t even recognise the hands of ...[Inaudible][Interjections] An HON MEMBER: You want to speak amongst yourselves.

[Inaudible] ... this thing about, it is not about you.
Mr S TAMBO: On a point of order Speaker, we are on the virtual platform it is not about you.

This thing is about South Africans.

The SPEAKER: Now I read to you Rule 70 which says ...

[Interjections.]

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 49 An HON MEMBER: We have raised our hands, unmute us.

The SPEAKER: ... if the presiding officer is of the view that, a member is deliberately contravening a provision of the Rules, ...

[Interjections.]
[Interjections.]

Mr S TAMBO: On a point of order Speaker!

On a point of order Speaker!

On a point of order Speaker!

On virtual platform, there is a point of order The SPEAKER: ... or that the member is disregarding the authority of the Chair, ...[Interjections] ... or that a member is ... [Inaudible] ... disorderly.

[Interjections] Mr S TAMBO: There is a point of order Speaker.

The SPEAKER: He or she may order the member to leave the Chamber immediately for the remainder of the day’s sitting.
[Interjections] Mr S TAMBO: There is a point of order on the virtual platform.

Point of order Speaker.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 50 The SPEAKER: I have given you the opportunity.

I have warned you, not once, I have warned you twice.

May you now leave the Chamber.

[Interjections] An HON MEMBER: Point of order!

What is this ...[Inaudible.]

Ms N V MENTE: [Inaudible] ...like that.

You can’t be throwing out people like that.

what did they do wrong?


Mr W T I MAFANYA: Thank you Madam Speaker.

Can you bring the bouncers to come and pick me up?

The SPEAKER: Hon Mafanya, will you please leave the Chamber.

[Interjections] IsiZulu: Nk M S KHAWULA: Nimatasatasa nidlala ngabantu nina lapho.

Nidlala amasela.

An HON MEMBER: Speaker, will you please recognise us here.

Ms N P SONTI: Please recognise us.


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 51 The SPEAKER: Serjeant-at-arms, please assist him to leave the Chamber.

An HON MEMBER: Speaker, on a point of order!

[Inaudible] ...cancelled from the house.

An HON MEMBER: Which Rule?

An HON MEMBER: Speaker!

An HON MEMBER: Order!

An HON MEMBER: Rule 69.

Ms N P SONTI: Speaker!

Speaker!

Mr J S MALEMA: You must not go Mafanya, it is not her House.

[Interjections] An HON MEMBER: Speaker!

Speaker!


An HON MEMBER: That Speaker is not helpful.

Ms N P SONTI: Speaker!

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 52 An HON MEMBER: We are doing exactly what we did to Zuma.

That is your modus operandi.

IsiZulu: Nk M S KHAWULA: Imali engaka eniyintshontshile isigelekeqe ...

[Akuzwakali.]

... nezingane zaso.

An HON MEMBER: You are protecting the status quo, that’s a dangerous thing about you.

You are dangerous.
You are dangerous.

You are an in- house ...[Inaudible.]

That is the worst position ...

The SPEAKER: I am informed that the member refuses to leave the House.

I have given you an opportunity to comply with the directives of the Chair as assisted by the Serjeant-at-arms as this conduct is now directly impeding on the ability of the House to conduct its business.
I now call upon the Parliamentary Protection Services in terms of rule 73(2) to assist the Serjeant-at-arms to remove the hon member from the House.

An HON MEMBER: Do that to Ramaphosa too.

An HON MEMBER: A suspected thief must also go.

Ramaphosa must ...

[Inaudible.]

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 53 Ms N P SONTI: Speaker!

An HON MEMBER: Speaker on a point of order.

IsiXhosa: Ms N P SONTI: Ewe makathethe u ... English: ... national chairperson.
An HON MEMBER: On a point of order Speaker!

Mr J S MALEMA: Can I address you Speaker?

IsiZulu: Nk M S KHAWULA: Ziyakhala manje.

Zikhala ngempela-ke manje.

Mr J S MALEMA: Hon Speaker, can I address you?

Ms N P SONTI: Mazikhale, mazikhale.

An HON MEMBER: On what Rule are you ...

[Interjections.]

IsiZulu: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 54 Nk M S KHAWULA: Ehe!

Ziyakhala impela-ke manje kuMongameli wenu.

Nganitshela.
Nganitshela.

Niloku nithi, thuma mina, thuma mina, nimthumela khona ukuthi ayontshontsha.

Ziykhala manje Ms N P SONTI: Mazikhale.

Mr J S MALEMA: Speaker, can I make you work easier?

IsiZulu: Nk M S KHAWULA: Zikhala ngempela-ke manje.

An HON MEMBER: On what Rule hon Malema?

[Interjections] An HON MEMBER: Rule 69, Rule 69.

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Thank you hon members.

Hon members, order!

[Interjections.]

hon members ...

[Interjections.]


I will give you an opportunity, but if your point of order is not ... [Interjections] IsiXhosa: Nksz N P SONTI: Khawunike umongameli wam athethe Somlomo.

Khawumnike, khawumnike.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 55 The SPEAKER: ... in line with what we are doing, I will not allow you to proceed.

Mr J S MALEMA: Let me help you, it’s hon Malema here.

The SPEAKER: Hon Mente!

Ms N V MENTE: Yes, Speaker!

The SPEAKER: Hon Mente!


Ms N V MENTE: Yes, Speaker, the president needs to speak.

Please give it to him.

The SPEAKER: Hon Mkhaliphi!

Mr J S MALEMA: Speaker, can I say something please.

The SPEAKER: Hon Mkhaliphi!

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: But, give the president the platform, you know the protocol.

The SPEAKER: I have a list of hands before me.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 56 Ms H O MKHALIPHI: No, leave the list, give the president.

The SPEAKER: Hon Hlonyane!


Ms N V MENTE: You are speaking to the members of the EFF, we are telling you that, instead of Mente speaking, allow the hon Julius Malema to speak.

The SPEAKER: Hon Maotwe!

An HON MEMBER: This is not a house of EFF.

IsiXhosa: ILUNGU ELIHLONIPHEKILEYO: Hayi suka wena thula.

Ms O M C MAOTWE: This is not the way of doing things Speaker, we said give it to the president.

You can’t be calling me, give it to the president.

The SPEAKER: Hon Tambo!


Mr J S MALEMA: Hon Speaker, it’s hon Malema here.

The SPEAKER: Hon Montwedi!

[Interjections] UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 57 Ms O M C MAOTWE: What is that, that you are doing?

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Lastly hon Malema.

Hon Malema!

An HON MEMBER: If you mute them ... [Inaudible] ... Speaker ...[Inaudible.]

Mr J S MALEMA: Thank you hon Speaker.


I want to take this opportunity to announce that we are not going to be listening to money launderer, a murderer of Marikana and the way you have conducted yourself ...[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: You are out of order hon member.

Withdraw hon member!

Hon Malema, will you withdraw that!

Withdraw what you just said.

Mr J S MALEMA: We are walking out of this Parliament.

We will not listen to a money launderer ...[Interjections.]
You are repeating what you have done with Zuma.

Go on ...[Inaudible] ...one day for protecting a criminal ...he is a money launderer; he is a torturer, a murderer ... [Interjections] he ... [Inaudible] money and keeps money under the mattress.

We are not going to listen.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 58 IsiZulu: Nk M S KHAWULA: Ziyakhala-ke manje.

The SPEAKER: Hon Papo!

IsiXhosa: ILUNGU ELIHLONIPHEKILEYO: Hamba Julius.


Mr A H M PAPO: I was going to request you hon Speaker ...[Interjections.]

IsiXhosa: Akukho Julius ngumongameli wethu lo.

ILUNGU ELIHLONIPHEKILEYO: Ungubani wena, ufuna ntoni?

[Uwele- wele] Ms H O MKHALIPHI: But Speaker, ... [Interjections] The President of the EFF has not finished, he is still speaking.

[Interjections] Why do you do that?

The SPEAKER: Hon members, may I just indicate to all of you that, I am not taking any more hands.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 59 Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Don’t be a dictator.

The SPEAKER: I have been patient enough.

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: That is against the rules, you can’t just do that.

[Interjections] Don’t be a dictator here by protecting a ... [Inaudible] ... who is a money launderer.

The SPEAKER: Hon members, it is important to say this here and now that, the President is here to present his Vote of ...[Interjections] Ms H O MKHALIPHI: What President?
The one... [Interjections] IsiXhosa: Ilungu elihloniphekileyo: Asinaye uMongameli.

The SPEAKER: In fact, the DA and the ...[Inaudible] ... have actually submitted questions for written reply to the President.

[Interjections.]

These questions are being processed by the Questions Office.

The questions are on the matter they are raising now on allegations about the President.

That process must be allowed to run its course.


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 60 An HON MEMBER: Ramaphosa has hidden the money under the mattress.

[Interjections] An HON MEMBER: There is a hand Speaker!

[Interjections] The SPEAKER: Order!

Order hon members, I ...[Interjections] Mr J S MALEMA: Ramaphosa will not speak here.

The SPEAKER: Order hon members, I will not ...[Inaudible] ... any more hands.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: You are worse than Baleka, Mapisa Nqakula, you are worse than Baleka.

...[Interjections] ... who is looting the state coffers ...

[Interjections.]

IsiXhosa: ILUNGU ELIHLONIPHEKILEYO: URamaphosa lisela qha.

uRamaphosa yi ... English: ... money launderer.

An HON MEMBER: Point of order Speaker, we need to speak here.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 61 An HON MEMBER: Ramaphosa is a money launderer.

An HON MEMBER: Nosiviwe you are behaving like Mbethe.
IsiXhosa: ILUNGU ELIHLONIPHEKILEYO: Ngumbulali uRamaphosa ...[Uwele- wele.]

An Hon MEMBER: We are leaving Speaker!

We are leaving.

[Interjections] The PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC: Hon Speaker of the National Assembly, hon members ...

[Interjections.]

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: On a point of order.

An HON MEMBER: We are not going to allow ... Ms H O MKHALIPHI: On a point of order.

Where is our money?

An HON MEMBER: Please, recognise us.


The PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC: ... as this Sixth Administration as well as this Parliament ...

[Interjections.]

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 62 An HON MEMBER: Please recognise us.

An HON MEMBER: Where is the money?

[Interjections.]

The PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC: ... every South African ... [Interjections] ... and woman and child ...

[Interjections.]

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Speaker, what you are doing right now ...

[Interjections.]
[Interjections.]

An HON MEMBER: On a point of order.

[Interjections.]

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: You are in breach of parliamentary Rules.

The PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC: ... greatest disservice ...

[Interjections.]

An HON MEMBER: Ramaphosa, the thug.

[Interjections.]

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: You must go to jail, Ramaphosa.

[Interjections.]

You cannot mute, you have no right to mute us and pretend like we are not talking here on the platform.

[Interjections.]
[Interjections.]

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 63 The SPEAKER: There was a long list I recognised.

[Interjections.]

An HON MEMBER: Speaker.

Call bouncers.

The SPEAKER: ... express themselves ...

[Interjections.]

...

I will not recognise them.

[Interjections.]

Mr N L S KWANKWA: No, no, I just want guidance ...

[Interjections.]

... from the virtual platform.

[Interjections.]

An HON MEMBER: On a point of order, Speaker.


Mr N L S KWANKWA: ... the response that the President ...

[Interjections.]

... because we won’t be able to hear what the President ...

[Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: We have not switched off the debate, they can hear.

An HON MEMBER: On a point of order.

The SPEAKER: People will raise their hand on the platform.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 64 An HON MEMBER: Please allow us to speak.

The SPEAKER: We will now proceed.


We will listen to the President and allow him to finish his speech.

[Interjections.]

An HON MEMBER: My hand is up.

[Interjections.]

An HON MEMBER: This is not Phala Phala.

[Interjections.]

An HON MEMBER: Speaker, the hand of the national spokesperson, hon Tambo has had her hand up for more than 40 minutes.

[Interjections.]

... You are selective and emotional.

[Interjections.]

An HON MEMBER: He is a money launderer.

An HON MEMBER: Call the bouncers.


The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: [Inaudible.]

The SPEAKER: Thank you, hon Mazzone.

Hon members, table staff, I have directed you to mute all the people who are on the platform.

Only allow them to raise their hands, but not to when they are not recognised.

That does not affect the people UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 65 who are in the Chamber.

The people in the Chamber, there is no way we have muted you.

It is not true.
It is not true.

I have pleaded with you, as hon members, as leaders of society that you allow the President to present his Budget Vote.

If you feel strongly about raising issues with him, you’ll have an opportunity this afternoon to raise those issues when you debate his speech.

That’s what I am saying.

That is my ruling, hon members.

I will not allow anyone from now onwards until the President finishes.
No one will be allowed to raise a point of order because unfortunately the points of order are frivolous.

Thank you very much, hon members.

You may proceed, hon Mr President.

The PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC: ... [Laughter] ...

I don’t know about that.

Thank you, hon Speaker, as I was saying, the people of our country must come first in everything that we do.
The greatest disservice we can do to our people at this difficult time in the life of our nation is to become distracted from the task that is at hand.

The challenges that we face as a country are many.

We are still in the grip of a devastating pandemic that has caused over 100 000 reported deaths in our country.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 66 Poverty, unemployment and underdevelopment continues to cast a heavy cloud and these are preventing many of our people from leading lives of dignity and better lives.

In recent times, we are having to deal with another problem, which is the rising costs of living.
Cost of fuel has gone up, food, utilities like water, and electricity has made it increasingly difficult for the majority of our people to get by and to pay their bills and also to feed their children and families.

We continue to count the cost of last year’s July unrests in parts of the country and the human and economic impact of recent floods in KwaZulu-Natal and Eastern Cape and the North West as well.
These are the issues that we are seized with as government because they are the bread and butter issues that have always mattered the most to our people.

As a great revolutionary, Amilcar Cabral, once reminded the liberation movements of post independent Africa.

He said: Always bear in mind that the people are not fighting for ideas, for the things in anyone’s head.
They are fighting to win material benefits, to live better and in peace, to UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 67 see their lives go forward, to guarantee the future of their children ... What the people of South Africa want above all is to see their quality of life improving.

They do not care about the political squabbles, the competition between political parties, the intrigues, the plots and the rivalries, they are least concerned about that.
They want better basic services, they want jobs and opportunities to better themselves and to better the lives of their families.

They want to live, they want to study, and they want to work in environments free of crime and violence.

Amidst our challenges, there is cause for optimism that is looming on the horizon.

The economy is beginning to show positive signs of recovery.

These signs may not be sufficient to lift all boats.
I presented this Presidency Budget Vote in a week that Statistics SA announced that in the first quarter of 2022, our economy grew by 1,9%.

Clearly, we all know that that is not sufficient.

We want to see a much higher growth rate for our economy.

The growth that we have however experienced in recent quarters has brought the economy to prepandemic levels much sooner than analysts had expected.

We all know that we want to see a much higher level of growth.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 68 Real gross domestic product, GDP, is slightly higher than what it was before the pandemic.

This recovery is consistent across most of the major sectors of the economy such as manufacturing, trade, utilities, finance, personal services, mining, as well as agriculture.

Our trade figures show further evidence of economic recovery if we care to look at indicators like that.
In 2021, we posted the largest trade surplus on record of R448 billion, the highest that we have posted since 1987.

Last week, the latest Quarterly Labour Force Survey was released showing that the number of unemployed people in the country dropped in the first three months of 2022.

I will however be pleased when I see these Quarterly Labour Force Surveys indicating a much higher level of employment creation.
What they showed translates to 370 000 jobs created between the last quarter of 2021 and the first quarter of this year.

We all want to see a much bigger number of people getting into employment.

Madam Speaker, I also presented this Budget Vote in the year that the Fourth South African Investment Conference raised investment pledges to the value of R332 billion.

These are pledges.
These are pledges.

We have seen some of these pledges being realised UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 69 into real investment.

We do forever have hope that a number of these pledges will turn into real investments.

I have been to places where I have seen how companies that make pledges in various conferences that we have held have turned them into real investment.
Thus brings us within reach of the target that we set in 2018 of attracting R1,2 trillion in investment over a five-year period.

The outcome of the conference showed renewed business, investor confidence in our economy and in our reform process.
I would argue that many of these businesses who have come to these investment conferences would not be declaring their intentions to invest further or to invest in greenfield projects if they did not have confidence that we have embarked on a reform process that can make their investments viable.

In recent weeks, there has also been encouraging progress by law enforcement authorities in pursuing cases from state capture era.

We all read about some of these initiatives that they are making.
These rare the green shoots of recovery and also of progress.

These are the signs that we are on the right track.

Many people may argue that we are not, but I can definitely say that the country is beginning to move in the right direction.

This should give us hope and confidence to UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 70 forge ahead.

We are not standing in one place, we are moving forward.
Hon members, since the Sixth Administration took office in 2019, we have been seized with restoring state capacity and with forging whole of society partnerships with business, labour and civil society on the actions that are needed to rebuild our economy.

Building a capable state and restoring integrity and professionalism in the public service has been our foremost priority.
What we have sought to do over the past four years was to locate The Presidency at the centre of an integrated government - a government working together across all the various structures that are in our state.

From these centre, we have been leading the drive to reconstruct the nation’s economy in a manner that is inclusive and a manner that leaves no one behind.

In this year’ state of the nation address, I outlined our key priorities for the year that lies ahead.
These priorities are to grow the economy and to create jobs, to fight corruption, make communities safer, build better lives for all our people and make government work for the people of our country.

We have been doing all these whilst working to ensure a swift UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 71 recovery from COVID-19 pandemic and mitigating the impact of the recent floods that we have experienced.
At the heart of our growth strategy is a bold and far-reaching economy reform agenda.

These reforms are being driven by the relevant government departments as well as agencies and supported by Operation Vulindlela, which is an initiative in The Presidency and our Treasury.

These reforms aim to achieve an affordable and reliable supply of electricity and efficient trade transport, amongst other things.
They aim to achieve long-term water security for our country and our people, cheaper mobile data for all South Africans and a visa regime that will facilitate ...

[Interjections.]

... tourism and investment.

[Interjections.]

Ms B MATHULELWA: Hon Speaker, on a point of order.


The SPEAKER: Hon member, you have just stepped in, and I have just made a ruling that I will not allow anyone to make a point of order because we have taken an hour ... Ms B MATHULELWA: But our members in the platform are muted, Speaker.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 72 The SPEAKER: Everybody is muted.

Ms B MATHULELWA: Please, unmute them.

The SPEAKER: Thank you.

[Interjections.]


Ms B MATHULELWA: Because you have muted our members.

They are participating.

Unmute them.

There is no problem.

Your ruling is right but just unmute them on the platform.

The SPEAKER: Hon member, switch off your microphone.

Ms B MATHULELWA: Unmute our members on the platform.

The SPEAKER: Please, switch off your microphone.

Ms B MATHULELWA: Are you going to unmute them?

The SPEAKER: Switch off.

Ms B MATHULELWA: Are you going to unmute them?


The SPEAKER: Serjeant-at-arms ...

I am now warning you.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 73 Ms B MATHULELWA: Serjeant-at-arms for what?

You are ruling from the air, no ruling like that ...

The SPEAKER: Hon member, Mathulelwa ... Ms B MATHULELWA: I will sit here.

No Serjeant-at-arms will come to me.

The SPEAKER: Serjeant-at-arms.

Ms B MATHULELWA: He must never come to me.


You must unmute our members on the virtual platform, hon Speaker.

And we are not going to be addressed by a criminal.

We are not going to be addressed by a money launderer.

We are not going to be addressed by a criminal.

The SPEAKER: Hon member, will you please withdraw that?

Ms B MATHULELWA: I am not leaving.

What are you going to do?

The SPEAKER: Please withdraw that, hon member?

Thank you very much.


Serjeant-at-arms, will you please remove the member from the House?

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 74 Ms B MATHULELWA: Unmute our members first.

IsiXhosa: Asihlelanga kwakho apha.

Wena ulawula njee utyhatyhiwe awukwazi nokuba ukhe ukhankanye umthetho owusebenzisayo ukuwisa isigwebo.

Ms B MATHULELWA: ... Serjeant-at-arms for what?

Is the Serjeant–at-arms a Member of Parliament?


I can’t leave the Chamber before they unmute our members on the virtual platform.

We are attending ...

The SPEAKER: Thank you very much ... Ms B MATHULELWA: This is our Parliament, not for Serjeant-at- arms.

This one is ours.

IsiXhosa: Akukhotsotsi wemali oza kuthetha nathi apha.

The SPEAKER: Hon member, I have given you a further opportunity ...

[Interjections.]
[Interjections.]

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 75 Ms B MATHULELWA: There is no opportunity like this.

This one is not an opportunity.

The SPEAKER: ... to comply with the directive of ...

[Interjections.]

Ms B MATHULELWA: Give me a real opportunity.

The SPEAKER: ... assisted by the Serjeant-at-arms as this conduct is now directly impeding the ability of the House to conduct its business.

[Interjections.]
[Interjections.]

Ms B MATHULELWA: You must first call the Serjeant-at-arms to remove the criminal first.

The money launderer.

I am not a criminal.

IsiXhosa: Mna apha andililo isela, kwaye zange ndibulale bantu eMarikana.

Andinguye umbulali mna.

Khuphani umbalali kuqala.

Ndiyacela Mongameli ukuba kuphume wena endaweni yam.

The SPEAKER: Protection services you are taking too long.

Please remove the member from the House.

[Interjections.]
[Interjections.]

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 76 Ms B MATHULELWA: I excuse you for what?

The SPEAKER: Thank you very much, hon members.

Hon members, may I just address ... Serjeant-at-arms, when you reported to me that they are refusing to leave the House.

When I say now you may remove them, the Parliament protection service must move with speed, because what I have observed now is that they take too long to come in and do what they are expected to do.
And that delays the House.

Mr President, you may continue with your speech.

The PRESIDENT: Thank you, hon Speaker.

These reforms aimed on the long-term basis to ensure that there is water security in our country, there’s cheaper mobile data for all South Africans and that our visa regime which has been raised repeatedly by various people, business and otherwise facilitates tourism as well as investment.
We are firmly on track to implement the reforms that we outlined in the state of the nation address, and reforms that have been highlighted and even requested by a number of stakeholders in our economy.

Reforms that are necessary to inject growth in our economy.

In March, the long-awaited spectrum auction was completed to expand access to the internet and to reduce the cost of data, for the first time in more than a decade.
This was a difficult UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 77 and complex process.

Therefore, we are grateful to all those who have involved who made this possible.

It took us a decade when it should have taken us much shorter.

In April, Bid Window 6 of the renewable energy procurement programme was opened for 2 600 megawatts of solar and wind power.

The first three risk mitigation projects have signed their power purchase agreements.
These projects represent some of the largest hybrid solar and battery storage projects in the world, and they are happening here in South Africa.

The Electricity Regulation Amendment Bill that provides for the establishment of a separate transmission company and a competitive market for electricity has been published for comment, and we are now working to table the final version in Parliament in the coming months.
We initiated this believing that it will enhance the better generation of electricity and the transmission thereof and we will see much better electricity availability in our country.

In April, Transnet made 16 slots on its network available to private rail operators as the first step towards ensuring third party access to some of the country’s freight lines.

This will enable greater efficiency and support our export industries.
This in the end will be the private sector and the public UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 78 sector working together and making sure that we do have a competitive transport line system.

The Department of Water and Sanitation is hard at work to clear the backlog of water use license applications by June 2022.

To date, it has finalised 897 applications and will clear the remaining 546 applications by the end of this month.
These applications had accumulated over a number of years.

Therefore, the reform process that we have embarked upon is clearing all these backlogs and making sure that our water regulation system works much better.

Through this we will be able to unlock levers of the economy to enable growth to follow.

We are on the cusp of a fundamental transformation in the electricity sector, which is undergoing the most significant reform process in our country’s history.
Once these changes are implemented, we will have multiple generators competing to supply electricity at the lowest cost to the consumer and selling power directly to consumers.

We will unleash new public and private sector investment in generation at a massive scale.

In the short term, however, we are seized with the need to get as much new generation capacity onto the grid as possible, but also as quickly as possible.

The current electricity shortfall is estimated at up to 6 000 megawatts.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 79 We will soon be introducing extra measures to bring new capacity online.
We will work to close the electricity gap in six ways: Firstly, we will improve the performance of existing power stations and ensure that additional units at Medupi and Kusile come online according to schedule; secondly, we will ensure that projects from existing procurement, including Bid Window 5, are able to reach close and connect to the grid as quickly as possible; thirdly, we will accelerate private sector investment in generation under 100 megawatts; fourthly, we will enable Eskom to purchase surplus power from existing power producers without too many regulations that stop this from happening; fifthly, we will support municipalities to procure power independently without much regulation standing in their way; and sixthly, we will encourage households and businesses to invest in small-scale solar power installations themselves to feed energy that they are not using to the grid as well.
Hon Speaker, work is already underway in each of these areas.

There is co-ordination with all relevant departments, with Eskom and the private sector to accelerate embedded generation projects that are already on the way to being implemented.

We have already simplified the registration process by removing the requirement of a power purchase agreement for UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 80 registration.
We also shortened the timeframes for environmental authorisation, and increased Eskom’s capacity to process grid connection applications.

All these impediments were standing in the way of enabling those who want to generate energy to move ahead with their projects.

Now, the reform process has taken out all those impediments and we are now going to move forward with greater speed and greater determination.
The first two embedded generation projects under 100 megawatts were successfully registered two weeks ago, and a further 16 projects were registered by the regulator this very week.

A total of 68 projects are now in development, and a combined capacity of over 5 000 megawatts that will begin to connect to the grid over the next few months is also what we look forward.
Alongside these immediate interventions, the Department of Mineral Resources and Energy will drive the process of reviewing and updating our Integrated Resource Plan for 2019, to ensure that it remains relevant in the light of the electricity shortfall and our climate change commitments.

This is work that is already underway.

When the sixth administration commenced its work, we said that forging social compacts across society would be critical to addressing our developmental challenges.
Unless, we said, we UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 81 consistently strive to achieve broad consensus in the direction in which we want to take the country, we will run the risk of our efforts becoming stalled and even becoming diverted.

Since 2018, the Presidency has established a number of processes to forge consensus on the broader economic recovery, the Fourth Industrial Revolution, the reform of our state-owned enterprises, climate change as well as corruption.
We also sought to engage at the Presidency level with important role-players in our country such as traditional leaders to address their specific challenges, including the issue of land.

We also sought to engage with religious leaders to address the various issues that were brought to the table.

Deputy President has led this process, and will report further on the work that he has been doing.
Deputy President has also been engaged and has been delegated to deal with the long- standing challenges that an important community in our country has raised over and over, and these are former liberation combatants, the people who fought for the liberation of our country regarding the problems that they’ve continued to experience.

The Deputy President may well touch on this as he speaks.

Bringing together key stakeholders with varying ranges of expertise ultimately enhances the capacity of the state.
This UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 82 continues to aid the policy-making process in our country.

It ensures that all of society is involved in our country’s development and ensures that those who are able to make a contribution also feel part of the process of building our nation.
An example of how this is being done effectively is through the Presidential Climate Change Commission, which is currently finalising a Just Transition Framework that will guide our transition to a low-carbon, inclusive, climate resilient economy as well as society.

Now, we have brought a whole range of key role-players who are making a contribution on our climate change ambitions.
In tandem, the Presidential Climate Finance Task Team that I established earlier this year is working at an expert level on the agreement that will take forward the Just Energy Transition Partnership which was concluded between South Africa and governments of France, Germany, the United States, US, the United Kingdom, as well as the European Union last year.
These are important processes that bring together, I would say, the brain power of our nation collectively both in government, in the private sector and labour, and a number of other key role-players.

This partnership will mobilise climate finance to enable transition to a low-carbon economy while supporting affected workers and communities.
The work that UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 83 they are doing will finally be brought to Parliament so that we as the important key law-makers will be able to examine precisely what they have been working on.

Our focus will be on supporting a just transition in the electricity and automotive sectors as well as the development of our green hydrogen sector which in many ways is beckoning, is calling us to embrace it and to get involved in a much more proactive manner.
The work of the Presidential state-owned entity, SOE, Council is also far advanced.

The council has as its members, people from labour, from business, from government, from academia and many other sectors in our country.

The council has developed criteria to determine which SOEs should be considered strategic and which are critical for the future development of our country.

It has also assessed 17 SOEs and will complete the remaining assessments by July of this year.
The broader context of the reform process is to improve the overall business operating environment and to improve our country’s competitiveness as an investment destination.

To this end, we have finalised the bounce-back loan scheme, which gives additional funding to businesses to grow the economy and also to create jobs.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 84 In March, the employee tax incentive was expanded to make it easier for employers to hire more young people.
You may recall that this initiative has been hugely successful in creating jobs for young people, for first time workseekers and many companies are now expected to participate in this in larger numbers as it has proven to be very efficient scheme, indeed.

As part of our drive to create new generation of black industrialists, to create jobs and to transform the economy, last year government approved R2,5 billion in new support to about 180 black industrialists in the form of loans as well as grants.
Over the next three years a further R21 billion has been committed to support black industrialists and an additional R25 billion to support black, women, youth and worker-owned enterprises.

Policy certainty in the mining sector has been bolstered by the publication of the long-awaited Mining Exploration Strategy.
The infrastructure office continues with its work of oversight and co-ordination over a number of catalytic infrastructure projects and seeking to ensure that bankable projects come to life and that we speed up the process of ensuring that infrastructure projects do actually get implemented.

These include the bridge building process in the rural areas.
This also include rural roads, social UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 85 infrastructure, bulk water installations and others.

To address onerous bureaucracy that often impedes businesses from growing, the red tape reduction team, that I spoke about during state of the nation address, is working with other departments in government to identify priority interventions as well to remove obstacles to growth.
In many ways the bureaucracy, the red tape has been what is holding back the growth of small and medium enterprises, and more broadly our economy as well.

These initiatives take a collaborative and supportive approach, because ultimately it is the departments and not the Presidency that implement policy.

We are seeing more and more collaborative work in various government departments.
The mentality of doing things on their own sake as departments is beginning to whittle away as departments now see that the best way to achieve success is to work collaboratively with others.

One of the tasks of government is to devise innovative solutions to address joblessness, particularly in a climate where there is a shortage of employment opportunities at a time when the private sector is not creating enough jobs at scale.
During the past two years, we have overseen an expansion of public employment that is unprecedented in speed, scale, and innovation and granted this started during UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 86 coronavirus disease, Covid.

Covid created an opportunity for innovation and an opportunity for better co-ordination amongst government departments.
The Presidential Employment Stimulus has enabled the rapid expansion of public employment and provided much-needed relief to mitigate the effects of the Covid-19 pandemic.

To date, the Presidential Employment Stimulus has created 879 000 opportunities, and largely to young people, to women in a variety of areas.

Of the participants across both phases, 84% are youth and 62% are women.
These programmes, which range from work such as waste collection to small-scale farming, have provided work and an income for hundreds of thousands of people in both urban and rural areas.

The programme has provided livelihood support to people working in the arts and culture space as part of our commitments to support recovery and this vital sector of our economy and our society.
It is a great boost for food security and agricultural reform, around 65 000 small-scale farmers have received input vouchers to buy seeds, fertilisers and equipment.

I’m told that this has freed many thousands of hectares from just lying fallow to being hectares of land where there is agricultural activity.
The latest programme to be launched through the employment stimulus is the Social UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 87 Employment Fund, which has started to recruit some 50 000 participants in community safety, food and nutrition, digital inclusion, sports, arts, and recreation.

A further 50 000 participants will be recruited for the revitalised National Youth Service, of which more than 7 000 have already started work.
Though much has been achieved and done, it is clear that we do need to do more.

Working together with the private sector we should be able to do much more.

With the Special Covid-19 Social Relief of Distress Grant extended until the end of March 2023, as government we continue to explore what sustainable social protection measures can be implemented to support society’s most vulnerable people.
We are working in earnest to conclude our negotiations on a social compact, as stated during the state of the nation address.

The discussions that we are having with social partners are dealing with difficult issues.

Issues that need to be addressed that have wide-ranging implications for our economy.

We are hoping to build a new consensus that pairs economic reform with measures to support employment and expand social protection as well.
We are determined that the social compact that we are seeking to build will be substantial as well as meaningful, and that it should make a real and lasting difference in the trajectory of our economy as well.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 88 Hon members, our experience with the Covid-19 pandemic has shown how much can be achieved when all of society works together to achieve a common goal.
Thanks to this collaborative effort we were able to mitigate the pandemic’s worst effects on human health as well as livelihoods.

We are one of those countries that we are able to navigate our way through the pandemic rather well we could have done better, but we do rank amongst those counties that did lot better others.
To date, approximately half of all adult South Africans have received at least one Covid-19 vaccine dose, and our priority is to increase the rate of vaccination to protect our people against possible new waves in the future.

There has been vaccine hesitancy across our country and, indeed, cross our continent, but we remain hopeful that more and more of our people will be willing to get vaccinated.
However, I do once again want to encourage our people to vaccinate against Covid- 19, to wear masks and to follow all the preventative measures.

Over the past three years, we have been at the forefront of advocacy as a country for developing countries to manufacture their own vaccines in the interests of current and future health security.

When we talk about vaccines we are not only talking about Covid-19 vaccines, but all types of vaccines.
As we know, South Africa alongside India has co-sponsored a proposal to the World Trade Organisation for a temporary UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 89 waiver of the Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights, Trips, agreement.

We are using our position as African Union Covid-19 Champion to encourage developed countries and international agencies who procure vaccines to purchase vaccines from African manufacturers.
South Africa has been hard at work within the African Union, AU, structures to advance the cause of greater pandemic preparedness for our continent.

This includes strengthening public health institutions, expanding manufacturing of medical countermeasures on the continent, establishing a fit-for-purpose health workforce on the continent that can sustain universal health coverage, and also driving collaborative partnerships right across the continent.
Even as we focus on recovery from the pandemic, we continue to work with the Department of Health and other departments towards strengthening our health systems in preparation for the National Health Insurance.

As a nation, we are making progress in moving this transformative legislation to reduce inequality in access to quality health care.

As we move forward, we strive to build a capable, ethical and developmental state.

In this regard, there is no room for engendering corruption.
We will continue to support the work UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 90 of the Investigating Directorate for the National Prosecuting Authority.

We already see great progress in the work that they are doing.

The Special Investigating Unit and its Special Tribunal, the Fusion Centre and all state entities involved in the fight against corruption is gaining traction.
The Special Investigating Unit, SIU, is achieving a great success in its applications to the SIU Tribunal for the cancellation of contracts and the return of funds.

We will be ensuring that the recommendations contained in all SIU reports are specifically and systematically processed and sent to the respective entities to which findings have been made and urging that they are acted upon, and that stolen funds from the state and taxpayers are recovered.
The Minister in the Presidency has been reporting on this work to this House on a continuous basis.

We will further speedily consider all requests for issuing of proclamations, and appointments to the Tribunal where necessary.

As we have said before, the Presidency will deliver to Parliament an implementation plan on the recommendations of the Commission of Inquiry into allegations of State Capture four months after receipt of the final report.
already work has begun on the large number of recommendations that were made in the parts of the report that we have already received UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 91 to date.

We will only have the full measure of the work required when we receive the final report from the Chief Justice.

Taking these recommendations forward requires the highest political will and commitment from all of us, the members of this House included.
It also requires great courage, from all of us.

In recent days we have seen those who stand to lose the most from the fight against corruption resorting to dirty tricks and intimidation in a bid to get us to back down.

Now, the serious threat levelled at the director-general in the Presidency is deplorable and is indicative of the tricks that they want to use to discourage us from proceeding with the work that has to be done, and we condemn this.

[Applause.]
[Applause.]

It is a sign of the lengths to which these who have been responsible for state capture are prepared to go, to even threaten a woman in the way that she has been threatened.

However, we will not be deterred by threats of any kind whatsoever.

She remains courageous and resolute to continue doing her work.

Therefore, we wish her well as she carried on with her work [Applause.]

They will have to pay for their actions.


We will restore the values, yes, of integrity and credibility to our government.

We will take back our country UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 92 from criminals.

At the same time, we are giving equal attention to safety and security in our communities as well.
I want to commend the leader of the United Democratic Movement, General Bantu Holomisa, for initiating the recent meeting between the Presidency and political parties represented in Parliament to discuss safety and security issues in the country.

Hon Steenhuisen who was traveling somewhere in Africa and Somaliland was also able to join this meeting virtually.
It was a proactive engagement in which we were able to discuss the challenges and possible solutions with leaders or political parties that are represented here.

Therefore, I would like to thank them for the various suggestions that they put on the table for us to act on.

It is our expectation that, as Parliament, you will continue in this collaborative vein when we soon reflect on the draft National Security Strategy that is being drafted at the moment.
I have committed that I’ll continue to meet the leaders of political parties on a regular basis to discuss issues of security and, indeed, a number of other issues that are of common concern to all of us.

Progress has been made in building capacity within the law enforcement agencies.

The appointment of a new Commissioner of UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 93 Police has brought much-needed stability in the organisation.
The first cohort of 12 000 new police personnel is in training at the moment, and a framework has also been developed by the SA Police Service, SAPS, for the nationwide re-establishment of community policing forums and also the establishment of specialist units that will deal with various areas of greater criminal activity.

The SAPS has established disciplinary units to address these crimes of economic sabotage and extortion at construction sites by so-called business forums as well.
Partnerships between the government and the private sector to address organised crime are beginning to bear fruit.

For example, the collaboration between Transnet and the Minerals Council around illegal mining and copper theft has seen an improvement in the security situation at a number of sites.

A stronger, better capacitated South African Police Service is key to combating crimes of violence against women and children that continue to be a real scourge in our country.
In January this year, I signed into law three Bills as we know that will strengthen the fight against gender-based violence and afford greater protection for the survivors.

Their implementation is scheduled for 31 July 2022, once the amended regulations are tabled in Parliament.
The Presidency continues to receive regular reports from the Department of Women, Youth UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 94 and Persons with Disabilities as well as other departments on their progress that is being made in implementing the National Strategic Plan to end gender-based violence and femicide.
Putting stringent laws in place and enhancing the capacity of the police and prosecutorial services to investigate and prosecute these crimes is not enough, and we need all of society’s involvement in preventing gender-based violence.

If we all, as communities, act together we will be able to overcome gender-based violence.

Community-based organisations are agents of change and play an important role in the efforts to eradicate gender-based violence, GBV, and other social ills as well.
This includes the development and implementation of programmes around gender-based violence and femicide, substance abuse, teenage pregnancies, mental health, and also the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, and intersex, LGBTQI+, advocacy and other issues.
We will soon be convening a Social Sector Summit, together with the Department of Social Development and National Economic Development and Labour Council, Nedlac, to look at a number of ways of harnessing the important work of the social sector to propel our nation’s development.
Through the Presidential Working Group on Disability, we will also continue to advance interventions that are needed to promote UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 95 the inclusion of persons living with disabilities across all sectors.

The approval by Cabinet of the Constitutional Eighteenth Amendment Bill for public comment takes us one step further to making sign language South Africa’s 12th official language.

[Applause.]
[Applause.]

This is a historic development that will give effects to our Constitution’s promise of equality and human dignity for all South Africans.

Hon members, next month marks a year since the terrible unrest and violence rocked parts of our country and wiped out approximately R50 billion off our nation’s economy.

As the Presidency we are working with the respective departments to co-ordinate the implementation of recommendations of the Expert Panel chaired by Professor Sandy Africa.
A new director general was appointed to State Security Agency earlier this year, and a number of critical vacancies have been filled, and are in the process of being filled, in the State Security Agency, SSA, Crime Intelligence and also the SAPS.
4 000 members have been earmarked to build capacity in the Public Order Policing Unit once they have undergone basic training, and for the financial year 2022-23, a further 5 000 trainees will also be recruited so that we can bolster up our public policing component.
The National Security Council is receiving periodic reports from the relevant law enforcement agencies on UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 96 progress with regard to implementation of the recommendations that were made by the Expert Panel.

We will be reporting to the nation in due course on this process as we move on so as to infuse confidence amongst our people that security is being upgraded and so that South Africans can feel safe as well.
As part of realising a capable state, we are on a drive to rebuild public service through promoting lifelong learning, through the improvement of the skills in the public service, and providing the necessary orientation to entrants to public service.

This is happening across government departments, in every municipality, in every state-owned enterprise and every organ of state as well.

We are doing this so that we can improve the capacity of the state.
We are working to ensure that the Batho Pele Revitalisation Strategy is fully implemented.

We have established a Public Administration Ethics, Integrity, and Disciplinary Technical Assistance Unit to improve ethical and anticorruption policy and discipline management within the public service.

Public servants are being trained on ethical conduct through the National School of Government in partnership with the Financial Sector Conduct Authority.
The National School of Government is rolling out a range of courses for the executive, accounting officers, senior managers, mayors, state entity board members and a UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 97 number of other disciplines as well from economic governance to long range or long-term planning as well.

In the state of the nation address, I said we would finalise the National Framework towards the implementation of professionalisation of the public sector.
The revised framework proposes fundamental reforms and changes, including a stronger emphasis on merit-based recruitment and appointments, integrity testing before any individual joins the public sector, revising the tenure of heads of departments, and curriculum development for ongoing learning of public servants.

This is a fundamental change to the approach that we have to professionalise in the public service.
We expect this framework to be fully implemented across departments and state entities within the next year.

An intrinsic part of government working for the people is making local government more responsive and more efficient.

We began implementing the District Development Model in 2019, to better co-ordinate and integrate the planning and budgeting of government programmes on a district-based level.
We co- ordinated much of our response to the pandemic through the District Development Model, ensuring that crucial health and social services reach the people in our communities, particularly where they live.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 98 Most recently, we relied on the district champions that I appointed to drive vaccinations through the Vooma Vaccination weekends.
I announced during the 2022, state of the nation address that I would embark on a programme of District Development Model Imbizos.

These engagements afford communities the opportunity to raise their most pressing concerns and provides an opportunity for government to give direct updates on service delivery and to hear the complaints and the cries of our people at first hand.
To date, the Presidential Imbizos have been held in North West, Free State and Mpumalanga and we intend to visit all the provinces in due course.

Whilst we proceed with the Imbizo programme in the remaining six provinces, government officials will be attending to the concerns that have been made by our people which have been properly documented.

Therefore, we will be resolving the issues that our people have raised and providing feedback to communities as well.
These engagements have further highlighted the extent of the weaknesses of local government, and the impact that this has on the provision of basic services.
As national government, guided by our constitutional responsibilities and powers, we will continue to support municipalities to meet their obligations to the residents of UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 99 the various towns and local areas so that we are able to enable them to provide services and to help an engender the process of growing the economies at local level.
In particular, we will marshal all the resources and capabilities of government departments and entities to intervene in areas such as water provision, road maintenance and waste management.

We will work with provincial and local government to ensure that challenges that our people are facing such as potholes are fixed, water is clean and reliable, and that cities and towns are clean and healthy to live in.
we have found that many local municipalities do need the support and the assistance from national level and we will be working to provide precisely this.

Hon members and fellow South Africans, when this administration took office three years ago, we embarked on a path of renewal to restore the promise of our democracy.

Therefore, we have come a long way in trying to do precisely that.
The economic recovery is beginning to gather momentum, and the gross domestic product, GDP, growth figures are beginning to speak for themselves and, of course, we want them to be much higher than what has been reported so far.

As does the steady uptake of domestic and foreign investment take UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 100 place we should begin to see a growth that we all yearn for in our economy to take place.
The state is being steadily rebuilt and credibility is also being restored in the state.

The fight against corruption continues apace, and the net is closing on those who for years fat off from the money and resources meant for the benefit of the South African people.

It is they who fear the renewal agenda most.

Therefore, they will do anything to divert the focus from themselves.

However, we will not waiver, we will not blink [Applause.]

and we will finish what has been started.


And as we do so, we will not be able to allow being side-tracked from the one objective, to improve the lives of the people of South Africa.

The positive impact of programmes and policies of this administration is being felt where it matters most.
It is being felt in our classrooms, where education assistants are supporting teachers to perform their work, and these assistants are young, they are techno savvy, they are committed to the work that they have been given and they know their information technology, IT, processes, they are assisting young people to read and the literacy, coding and childcare processes are proceeding apace.
It is also being UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 101 felt in the agricultural sector where thousands of small-scale farmers are looking forward to a good harvest this year, thanks to the support of the Presidential Employment Stimulus, which has enabled them to revive land for food production and to farm their livestock.
The positive impact is also being felt and will continue being felt in our cities, towns, and villages where participants in the Presidential Employment Stimulus are greening public spaces, collecting and recycling waste, clearing alien invasive vegetation, and conducting environmental education programmes.
It is also being felt in the tourism sector where monitors, many of them young people, are helping to keep our foreign and domestic tourists safe at key sites, and small, medium, and micro enterprises, SMMEs, in the provinces are receiving support to promote local tourist attractions.

We are a government that is hard at work to grow our economy and to create jobs.

Therefore, our hard work is beginning to bear fruit.
The Presidency will continue to lead the work towards the vision of a better life for all, as well as an economic reconstruction and recovery that leaves no-one behind.

We are working and, of course, we want to do much more than what is being done, and we will continue to do so.
It is, therefore, a pleasure, hon Speaker and hon members, to hereby UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 102 commend this Budget Vote of the Presidency to the National Assembly for debate and discussion and proposals on how we can improve our work.

Thank you very much.

[Applause.]

The SPEAKER: Order, hon numbers, in terms of Rule 80, I instructed that the microphones on the virtual platform be locked while the President address the House.
This was done as a result of disorderly nature of interjections on the platform, disrupting the proceedings.

As we now to debate the speech, the microphones will be switched on and will be unlocked on the virtual platform.

However, hon members, if there is continued disorder, they will be locked again.

Thank you very much and thank you Mr President.

Mr A H M PAPO: Hon Speaker, I wanted to remind the House that there were two members on the virtual platform who you ordered to be removed from the sitting.
Those members are hon Malema hon Shivambu.

So, I am just reminding the House that if they appear on the platform again, Table staff will have to remove them.

The SPEAKER: Thank you, hon Papo, the Table staff is here and they have heard you.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 103 IsiXhosa: UMBHEXESHI OYINTLOKO WEQELA ELILAWULALYO: Somlomo, mandithathe eli thuba ndibulele kuwe umonde othe wabanawo ngexesha besijongene nentlombe yeemfene.
Mongameli ohloniphekileyo, Sekela Mongameli, amaLungu eNdlu yoWiso-mthetho yeSizwe, mathanda-zwe asemakhaya, ndithatha eli thuba ndinibulisa.

Kuyafuneka ukuba abantu abachubekileyo bacele uxolo ngale mbudede nidla ngokuyibona apha.

Asinjalo sonke kwaye abantu abangaqeqeshekanga bayabonakala.

Nks P SONTI: Kodwa inyaniso aniyifuni.

English: The SPEAKER: Hon Primrose, I am warning you, you will not repeat that.
IsiXhosa: UMBHEXESHI OYINTLOKO WEQELA ELILAWULALYO: Enkosi Somlomo, ndivumele Mongameli ndinyathele apho ubunyathele khona.

English: Mama Winnie Madikizela-Mandela in her Prison Entries that were captured in her book entitled, 491 Days: Prisoner Number UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 104 1323/69 painted a picture of the dehumanising nature of the apartheid system: Solitary confinement was designed to kill you so slowly that you were long dead before you died.
By the time you died, you were nobody.

You had no soul anymore and a body without a soul is a corpse anyway.

When I was told that most of my torturers were dead, I was also heartbroken.

I wanted them to see the dawn of freedom.

I wanted them to see how they lost their battle with all they did to us and that we survived.

IsiXhosa: Thina bantu bazana neentshutshiso kwakunye nengcinezelo, iziva siziphethe ngokwethu.

Imivambo izotyiwe emizimbeni yethu.


English: Those of us who suffered humiliation, colonialism and white minority domination carry scars deeply hidden within our beings.

That is why every act of racism that goes viral on social media and in the news, even it is committed by one white person evokes so much pain inside every black person.

IsiXhosa: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 105 Ewe, saxolela kodwa asikwazi ukulibala ingakumbi xa kubane kusenzeka ezi zinto.
English: But as Mama Winnie in her book said: racists have also felt a lot of pain because in 1994 and on the five more occasions, the overwhelming majority of our people voted for the ANC to govern and lead this country.

They even trusted the ANC to build a new South Africa from the ashes of colonial and apartheid rule.

Indeed, the Constitution has affirmed the principle established in the Freedom Charter of 1955 to celebrate this month as well as the Youth Month.
This country belongs to all of us who live in it, black and white.

The ANC has consistently provided a vision for a democratic, nonracial and nonsexist, united and a prosperous country.

That is why we cannot tolerate any form of humiliation through racism or sexism.

Hon Speaker, in this project our nation is led by the President who is both the head of the state and the head of the Executive.
The full implications of this Presidency Office were articulated beautifully in the historical judgement of the Constitutional Court by the Former Chief Justice.

The judgement pronounced that: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 106 Only upon the President that the constitutional obligation to uphold, defend and respect the Constitution as the supreme law has been expressed imposed.
The promotion of the national unity and reconciliation has been placed squarely on his shoulders.

He is a constitutional being by design, a national pathfinder, the consequential commander in chief of state affairs and the personification of the nation’s constitutional project.

In light of this Budget Vote 1, first and foremost, we affirm and provide resources to capacitate the Presidency to fulfil its constitutional mission of consolidating nation unity and establishing a shared national purpose.
In spite of all these difficulties our nation faces, I can confidently say that the President has consistently upheld and defended this Constitution.

IsiXhosa: Naxa kukho imicimbi enobuzaza kodwa uMongameli ulikhokele eli lizwe, ulisa phambili.

Le nto ndiyithetha ngelunda kuba uMongameli uyawukhusela lo Mgaqo-siseko.

UMongameli unoxanduva olusemagxeni akhe lokudibanisa imihlambi eyalanayo ukuze imbali yethu icace.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 107 English: The President has performed his co-ordinated role guided by the Constitution and the Intergovernmental Relations Framework Act of 2005.

The National, provincial and local governments on the other hand promote and facilitate the intergovernmental relations within the multiparty system of governance.

IsiXhosa: Masizingce ngalo Mgaqo-siseko esinawo nomgama esesiwuhambile wokumanya esi sizwe sakowethu.
English: As South Africans we must treasure the progress we have made to maintain relatively stable corporative democratic political system that has minimised mobilisation along the racial and tribal lines.

We have observed the trauma suffered by millions of people in many in our sister countries in the continent and other parts of the world as a result of political party ethnic polarisation.

IsiXhosa Amazwe amaninzi awakafiki kulo mgama nalo mgangatho esele sizibeke kuwo singuMzantsi Afrika.
KuMgaqo-siseko, phaya kwikhasi lesithathu, kuthethwa ngokuba kudityaniswe UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 108 urhulumento oluzinzileyo.

USekela Mongameli unikwe oloo xanduva lokuba kudityaniswe oorhulumente bamaphondo nabasemakhaya.

Olo xanduva luya kwenza ukuba zikwazi ukusengela thungeni linye.

English: The Presidency must be resourced sufficiently to maintain regular and meaningful dialogues with Amakhosi within the framework of the Constitution.
These dialogues are based on four pillars: land ownership and tenure rights, economic development and rural communities, social cohesion and nation building and legislation on powers and functions of traditional leaders in the issues of development.

IsiXhosa: Kubalulekile ke ukuba xa sisenza loo nto iinkosi zihambe kunye nathi kuba zona ziphethe abantu phaya ekuhlaleni.

Makhe ndinqumame kancinci kweli cala ndingene kwizityholo atyabekwa zona uMongameli wesi sizwe soMzantsi Afrika.
Mandiyibeke icace gca oku kwekati emnyama ehlungwini into yokuba ... Nks P SONTI: Okwekati emhlophe ehlungwini.

English: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 109 The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Order hon members, order.

The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: As the ANC we have noted the allegations that are labelled against the President and we are not shy to say that.
However, this matter, like all other matters of allegations of crime must be investigated by the relevant law enforcement authorities without any undue political influence.

At the moment ... IsiXhosa: ... uthini?

Soze uphinde utsho!

[Kwahlekwa.]

English: At the moment, there are no changes and we are happy that the President is committed to support the work of the law enforcement agencies ... IsiXhosa: ... akabaleki, ungowalapha kwaya uhlala apha.

Xa kuphandwa makuphandwe.


Umongameli akazange athi akafuni ukuphandwa.

Uthi ndim lo, xa unento ngam beka umcimbi etafileni undiphande.

Ayiqhelekanga ke lento kooMongameli bamazwe ngamazwe kodwa abe-ANC bayazazi ukuba bamele isizwe.

Thina siyi-ANC asisayi UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 110 kwayanyaniswa nehlazo elisemntwini.

I-ANC iza kuthetha ngexesha elifanelekileyo xa kukho izinto ezifumanekileyo.
Nanjengoko sithetha apha sizimisa phambi kwenu ngelithi ukuba kukho ubungqina kufuneka umthetho uthathe indawo yawo.

English: This year we also celebrated 28 years of our democratic government.

IsiXhosa: Iinkonzo ezingundoqo zisiwe ebantwini Mongameli kodwa azonelanga.

Amanzi, iindlela nombane awukafiki kwiimpula zikaLujaca.

Ngenxa yokuhla koqoqosho, amaxabiso okuthenga izinto aye anyuka.

Noko sifuna uMongameli angenelele neKhabhinethi yakhe.
Sifuna kubonelelwe abantu ngokutya okusiseko okufana nomgubo, amasi, umngqusho, isonka namafuthu okuqhotsa ukuze abantu balale betyile.

Sicela ukuba ungenelele Mongameli ngokuthi kulawulwe amaxabiso okutya angaxhumi kuba abantu bakuthi bahluphekile.

Mongameli, sicela ukuba ugxile kanabomi kwiinkonzo ezisiwa ebantwini.

Umbane mawuzinze, abantu bakuthi bathwaxwa yintlupheko, uqoqoqsho alukwazi ukukhula xa umbane ungucimi- cimi.
Nathi sonele ngoku ngulo cimi-cimi wombane, sifuna UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 111 umbane oza kukhanyisa oko.

Sifuna niqwalasele aba masipala babonelela abantu abasweleyo [indigent people.]

babe kwabona oomasipala bengenazo iintsiba.

Siyafuna ukuba baxhaswe aboo masipala kuba uninzi lwabantu babo luyahlupheka.

Ithi ke loo nto Mongameli, xa aba masipala beswele nabo [indigent municipalities.]

urhulumente makangenelele.


Phaya emakhaya into esetyenziswayo yirhasi neparafini.

Ndiyithetha nje kungokuba ndiyayazi kwaye ndiyintombi yasezilalini eMacacuma, eSterkspruit.

Abantu Mongameli bathi njengokuba usipha aba basweleyo umbane, thina bantu bangenambane siphe iparafini.

Mayingene iparafini kumzi nomzi ongekabinawo umbane khona ukuze nabo bazibone bexhamla kulo Mzantsi Afrika omtsha.

English: President you are leading the campaign that people must pay the municipal services and we support that.
IsiXhosa: Xa iinkonzo zisiziswa ebantwini ngokungenamikhinkqi, abantu mabazihlawulele ngokunjalo nabo kodwa mazizinze ezo nkonzo.

Siyancoma naphaya kwi-arhente yezerhafu ngokuthi ikwazi ukuqokelela imali eninzi.

Sicela le arhente ingenelele UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 112 ngokutyala imali ebantwini abahluphekileyo.
Siyi-ANC Mongameli, sima kule ndawo sixhasa into yokuba mawunikwe imali eyaneleyo wenze umsebenzi obhalwe kuMgaqo-siseko wokukhokela esi sizwe ngothando nangentobeko usise phambili.

Abantu beli lizwe noko kudala besinyamezele behamba nathi ... English: ... with resilience in the fight against the Covid-19 pandemic.

Our people are our greatest strength together with the South Africa we can rise.
We can rise ... IsiXhosa: ... xa sisebenza kunye siyakwazi ukohlula phakathi kwezinto ezichithayo nezinto ezakhaya zelizwe.

Silapha siyi-ANC sinika inkxaso yethu engagungqiyo kuwe Mongameli sisithi amatyala mawaze ngaphambili.

Enkosi kakhulu.

The LEADER OF THE OPPOSSITION: Madam Speaker, Mr President, hon members, the purpose of today’s vote, is to vote on the Budget of the Presidency, but as we have become only too aware this past week, this is a ministry stuffed, literally, was secrets and scandals.
We are asked today to say yes or no to this budget, but the reality is that none of us truly knows UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 113 what happens in that office.

And this makes today’s vote very, very difficult.

We respected your President while he was speaking, hon Papo, perhaps you should return the compliments.

Why is it that the Presidency is the only ministry without a standing committee?
We have asked this question many times before, and we are yet to receive a satisfactory answer.

Why should every other ministry be subject to the parliamentary oversight of a standing committee, but not the Presidency?

And after this weeks’ shocking revelations, it’s very clear that the Presidency cannot police itself.

There are many questions we would have raised in such a standing committee, or if the President was attending the question session which should have taken place this term.
But, this budget is it and this is our only opportunity to take advantage of it.

And one of those questions would be around the elephant in the room and that is around the blurring of the lines between Mr Ramaphosa the Head of State, and Mr Ramaphosa the businessman.
While police budgets are slashed every year and policing resources in high crime areas are stretched thinner and UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 114 thinner, the very important person, VIP, protection budget of the President and his cabinet is the only police budget that ever goes up.
And now we are told that these precious police resources have been put to work serving the private business interests of the President – conducting cross-border investigations, interrogations and cover-ups.

And I’m sure you’ll agree, Mr President, yes you may say Mr Fraser, but it was your Presidency who ...

[Inaudible.]

... an affidavit in court plus here telling the court, what a good man Mr Fraser was and why Mr Fraser should be appointed as a head of Correctional Services [Applause.]
I am sure you will agree with me Mr President, that the people of South Africa need to know and have the right to know whether the VIP protection unit is being used as a private debt collection agency.

Just as they have a right to know what is going on behind the closed doors of your Phala Phala farm house.

Now, Mr President you’ve definitely avoided this topic today.

But, I want you to imagine for a moment what this must look like for an ordinary South African.
What a hard-working, tax- paying citizen should make of a remote farmhouse somewhere, UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 115 with tens of millions of Rands in foreign currency being stuffed into the upholstery of lounge furniture.

What such a regular citizen should think, when told that more than R60 millions of this was stolen, and that the President didn’t want anybody to know about it.

The suspects were tracked, rounded up, interrogated and paid to keep their mouths shut.
Normal people – law-abiding South Africans who have to save for months, for things like school uniforms, for school fees and children’s birthday parties – and that cannot even imagine that kind of money.

But you didn’t even report it to the police.

Never mind getting it back, Mr President, you didn’t want anyone to know it was gone in the first place.

Just how much money must you have stashed away, in homes if you can afford to turn a blind eye to $4 million?
Now you say that money was from animals, that might the case, but I don’t think there’s many people who truly believe that.

You say this was about dirty tricks.

You say it was above board and that you’ve broken no laws.

But stuffing millions of UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 116 Rands into couches, hiding the robbery from the police, paying the robbers hundreds of thousands of Rands, not say a word – these are not the actions of somebody who has broken no laws.
These are the things we see in mafia movies, about cartels, about syndicates and gangsters.

If this was all above board, and just dirty tricks, you could have ended it right away, Mr President.

But, a full, frank and public disclosure.

You could have avoided a scene we have in the House today.

You could have avoided the speculation and you could have avoided us asking these questions.

None of that would have jeopardised any investigations.
An honest and innocent man, he was the victim of a massive crime would have wasted no time in clearing these things up [Applause.]

Only somebody who would like to hide, would hide behind the smokescreen of a “pending investigation”, two years after the event.

So, again Mr President, I am asking you for the sake of the country, for the sake of the Presidency to come clean to the people of South Africa, and to this House.

No more subterfuge, no more secrets.


Whoever is advising you Mr President, not to UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 117 speak out about this and set the record straight, is giving you bad advice.

How much money was stashed away?

These are the question we need to ask.

How much was actually stolen?

How did the money enter South Africa, and who brought it into the country?

Two years later, hon Papo that’s a new record I think.
Were the exchange controls of the South African Reserve Bank observed?

How much is on the farm right now?

How much is at your properties?

Why did you not report the crime to South African Police Service, SAPS?

You have spoken today about the importance of reporting crime.

As important as SAPS are, why was it not to the SAPS?

Were the suspects detained?

Was Major-General Wally Rhoode sent to Namibia, yes but tax payers money is being used to recover it.

And that is the problem.


Was Major-General Rhoode sent to Namibia to go and recover it?

On whose authority did he travel in?

Who paid for this cross-border investigation, and how much did it cost?

Who paid for the security upgrades?

We may not be the police but we are Parliament and that’s our job to hold the executive accountable [Applause.]
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 118 And finally - and arguably most importantly, Mr President - given your unique obligation as the President to uphold the Constitution and serve the people of the Republic of the country, how do you square this obligation with this sordid detail of the case?

I was doing the job that your government should have done in Ukraine, hon Papo, but you too Papo are scared to go there, that’s the problem [Applause.]
Mr President, every single day that these questions remain unanswered causes irreparable damage to the Presidency, which has now gone from paralysed to petrified.

Even the very best-case scenario – with the most generous interpretation of what has happened, how you came into possession of the money, why it was concealed in your house, and the reasons for a cover-up or damning.

But we’re not talking about a best-case scenario here, are we, Mr President?
Because if we were, you would’ve surely reported this matter, two years ago.

Or at the very least, come absolutely clean about the matter as soon as it came to light.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 119 The fact that you have used your significant powers and resources – paid for by the taxpayers of this country and funded through this budget, which we debate in this House today – to conceal any evidence of this money tells me that the real story is something that the Presidency probably will struggle to survive.

Even your biggest praise-singers, media and civil society are now realising that perhaps the emperor was naked, after all.
[Applause.]

But to understand, the real sense of anger and disappointment, Mr President, that South Africans are feeling, you have to remember that we’ve been here before.

And today, ...

[Inaudible.]

... in our House is like back to the future.

Do you recall the shame of Nkandla and the arrogance of your predecessor?

Do you remember the embarrassment of the fire pool video, and all the shameless defending being done from the ANC benches?
Do you remember the scathing rebuke our Parliament received, for failing for holding President at the time, President Zuma accountable for Nkandla, and the solemn promises that were UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 120 made thereafter by many people in this House today?

“Never again”?

Do you remember the words of then Chief Justice Mogoeng Mogoeng in the 2016 judgment when he spoke of the unique obligations, Mr President as the citizen?
Now I am very glad hon Majodina, quoted from that same judgement, but she left out the most important part, which is at the end and let me remind you and I quote: He is required to promise solemnly and sincerely to always connect with the true dictates of his conscience in the execution of his duties.
This he is required to do with all his strength, all his talents and to the best of his abilities, and, but for the Deputy President, only his affirmation or oath of office requires a gathering of people, presumably that they may hear and bear witness to his irrevocable commitment to serve them well and with integrity.

You see you have to be beyond reproach, you have to be open, you gonna be transparent and you got to serve people well and with integrity.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 121 But now, there is only suspicion, secrecy and silence.

How exactly are you different Mr President from your predecessor?

Phala Phala is fast becoming your Nkandla.

And it’s forever gonna be an ugly stain on this Presidency.

But here’s the thing: The Presidency is not yours, it belongs to the Republic of South Africa.

And, when you drag the Presidency down in the gutter, you are dragging our country down with it [Applause.]
South Africans don’t want this; South Africans don’t deserve this.

They don’t want a two-bit mob boss...[Interjection.]

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Steenhuisen, will you please take your sit.

There is a point of order, hon Dyantyi.

Mr Q R DYANTYI: House Chairperson, point of order: I just want to check hon presiding officer, the hon Leader of the Opposition can take a question?

If this is the only thing in his speech?


The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Dyantyi, okay, hon Steenhuisen are you ready to take a question?

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 122 The LEADER OF THE OPPOSSITION: I hear the good news that Bunnies are open again, perhaps we could meet afterwards for a question.

Our people don’t want a two-bit mob boss with houses stuffed full of dirty cash for our leaders and president.
They want someone who leads by example – who puts his personal ambitions, business and interests a distant second to the needs of the country.

And so maybe this whole sordid mess is actually doing South Africa a favour by opening its eyes up to the reality of the ANC.

If you were indeed the best that your party had to offer, Mr President, in this government, days in office are numbered [Applause.]
Our country’s number one goal has got to be to reduce the once mighty, dominant ANC to being a minority party after the next elections [Applause.]

That’s my party, because things aren’t gonna change while same people are sitting around the table making the same bad decisions and behaviour, ...

[Inaudible.]

Once South Africa has put the ANC behind it for good, then we can start making progress and moving forward as a nation, I look forward to that day.

Thank you.

[Applause.]


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 123 Ms N V MENTE: Yes, Speaker, I need to address a few things before I get to the debate.

Firstly, the Speaker of Parliament has removed hon Malema wrongfully and illegally.
Perhaps is the selectiveness of Parliament when it was briefing him upon taking the seat of being the Speaker of Parliament pertaining to judgements against the same Parliament that the statement of Mr Ramaphosa and his state have murdered Marikana workers has been judged by the courts and it is a statement that is allowed.

So, let there not be a selectiveness.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Mente?

[Interjections.]
[Interjections.]

Hon Mente, please, I don’t want them to mute you because you still have your minute.

[Interjections.]

Ms N V MENTE: Can you mute all the mics as you have done before.

Just mute all the mics that are not speaking.

I am the one who is speaking now.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): No, this is why I am surprise truly speaking.

Hon members, if you touch that mic and start speaking without recognition I am going to call out your name and when I do that it’s a warning.
You repeat again, I am going to instruct that you are removed from the platform.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 124 Now hon Mente, I was calling your name because there is a point of order here, which I want to address.

Can I just find out on what Rule are you standing?

Mr T V MASHELE: Chair, I am standing on Rule 92.


I am raising a point of order because the hon member is contesting the decision of the Speaker and she knows that if she wants to contest the decision of the Speaker she cannot bring it now here.

She must take it into the relevant platform.

Thank you very much.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): No, it’s ... Ms N V MENTE: Madam Speaker, they are wasting my time.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon members, we are here on an item that was clearly stated by the Table Staff on which order we are here.

May I plead with anyone that we are here to debate the Vote of the Presidency and if you wish to talk about the issues that you are not happy about in terms of the rulings you know very well what should happen.
And I request everybody who comes to this podium to remember that this Parliament has got options for anyone who is not satisfied with a particular ruling to do so by writing to the UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 125 Rules Committee to look after that because I won’t be saying anything on the rulings that another officer that was presiding has ruled upon.
And I am sorry that I won’t be able to help or rule on what you have already started hon Mente if we understand each other.

Please, let’s proceed.

You still have your time.

Ms N V MENTE: Chairperson?

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Yes.

Ms N V MENTE: I am not going to be intimidated and neither being shut out by Members of Parliament who did not averse themselves with the Rules of Parliament and the judgements thereof that are before this Parliament.
This Parliament has received judgements and we cannot use this platform and then say retrospectively we are going to deal with matters at a later stage.

This platform is a platform of Members of Parliament to air their views.

We cannot therefore be removed from this same platform by using judgements by our courts to say this Parliament cannot tell us that a statement that Ramaphosa and the state have killed people in Marikana.

That’s a fact.
That’s a fact.

It UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 126 was ruled by the Cape Town High Court.

And that is not wrong to be said here in the same Parliament.

We took it to court because this same Parliament chart people out.

We were thrown out by this same Parliament by Speaker Baleka by saying that and therefore we are not going to be told by members of the ANC how to say what we want to say and how to debate in this House.
And then the second thing is, you are not going to lose whatever judgement to take us out of this Parliament because today’s matter or item on the Order Paper is the debate of Mr Ramaphosa.

We can use whatever else we want to use.

We don’t have monies under our own mattresses.

And therefore we don’t have money to tour around and be talking to every lawyer out there to defend us.

But we will come here and call the matters as they are.

The second thing is, you can sit here with your Parliament.
You can sit here ... IsiXhosa: ... nizixokise ngobunyoronyoro nobuqhophololo bobusela bukaRamaphosa.

Ukuhlala nemali engeyiyo yaseMzantsi Afrika UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 127 bubusela.

Ukuhlala nemali ebiweyo aphinde angakwazi ukuya emapoliseni xa ibiwe.

Sisigebenga ... English: We are not going to sit here and ...

[Inaudible.]

...

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon member, I am talking.

[Interjections.]

Hon Mente, please there is a point of order.


[Interjections.]

Order, hon members.

Please, order.

Hon Mente, before I allow the point of order in the House be raised I just want to say that there is nowhere where we have a Court Order that says President Ramaphosa killed the people in Marikana.

Ms N V MENTE: We have got it, you must go and read it.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): I want it.

Please bring it as a substantive evidence.

Ms N V MENTE: Now when it suits you ...

[Inaudible.]
[Inaudible.]

... Ramaphosa is the President of South Africa ...

[Inaudible.]

...

[Interjections.]

... UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 128 The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: ... [Inaudible ... fool to the South Africans.

You can’t.

You can’t.

Ms N V MENTE You, Reginah.

[Interjections.]

He sends an email that say people must take a conceited action against the workers.

Is Ramaphosa who do that.

So, therefore we are not going to sit here with money launder.
IsiXhosa: Ngobuqhophololo bobunyoronyoro bobusela ningade nicinge ukuba siza kuza kuloo nto yenu.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Please mute, hon Mente.

[Interjections.]

Please mute, hon Makhubela.

Please mute, hon Maotwe.

[Interjections.]

Ms N V MENTE.

Why do you mute my mic?

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): I am going to add to my list.

[Interjections.]

Hon member?

[Interjections.]

Ms N V MENTE: Is my time.

Why do you want to mute my mic?


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 129 The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): No,no,no.

Hon Mente, you should be muted.

I was calling for a long time and you kept on insulting and I am now saying that you should be removed.

Ms N V MENTE: Insulting who?

[Interjections.]

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Mute, hon Maotwe please.

And mute hon Mente.

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: House Chair, my hand is up.


The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Please, mute them.

Hon members, let me hear what you are rising on, hon Mkhaliphi?

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Yes, House Chair, one, you are so bias.

There is ...

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): No, no, no.

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: No, I am rising on a point of order.

[Interjections] Hear me out.


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 130 The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Which rule ae you rising on?

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Rule 92, Chair.

You think that we don’t know the rules?

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Okay, I am going to explain.

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Explain what?

I am raising a point of order here.

You have not even heard my point of order.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Yes, I want to explain Rule 92.
Mr V PAMBO: Listen, listen, Chair The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): That’s why ...

[Interjections.]

Please, mute hon Pambo.

I want to explain that Rule 92 because I understand it very well.

Mr V PAMBO: Just listen.

Just listen to her.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 131 The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Please, remove, hon Pambo.

I am not that listener.

I work according to the rule.

Mr V PAMBO: Listen!

Listen!

[Interjections.]


The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Pambo on the platform.

Please, remove him.

[Interjections] Mr S TAMBO: On a point of order, Chair.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Primrose, you have been warned.

You are removed.

Mr S TAMBO: On appoint of order, Chair.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): I am going to read the names and I am going to read the rules.

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: I am in the platform, recognise me.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Mkhaliphi there was nothing wrong.

I was still going to explain to you why I am asking why you are rising.

I recognised you and I ask you on UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 132 what rule, you say 92.

Now because I realised that you are abusing rule 92, I want to clarify it to you.

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: How can I abuse Rule 92 while I want to speak for the first time.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): No, no, no, listen to me.
You see now.

[Interjections.]

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: How I am abusing Rule 92 while I am speaking for the first time.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): I am explaining why I am saying that.

It’s not only you.

I am doing it for all members of this House.

I am doing it for everyone in this House.

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: But then which rule is that that you must take us out altogether?

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Because I am a presiding officer I must guide you.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 133 Ms H O MKHALIPHI: There is no rule that says you must do that.

Deal with us per member.

That is what the rule is saying.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto) Hon member, let me say this, Rule 92 allows every member to stand up.

But rule 92 has got sub sections.

That’s what I want because I realised that everyone can stand up and say a point of order but not talk to the sub-section as prescribed by the rules.
That’s what I want to say to you, hon Mkhaliphi.

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: I am rising on rule 92(1).

Let me read it for you.

Mr T M LANGA: Why you didn’t say that when it was ANC on the platform?

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Chairperson, I am rising on Rule 92 (1) which reads as follows: A member may raise a point of order at any time during the proceedings of the House in terms of the procedure prescribe in the rule 66 by stating that he or she is rising on a point of order.

It’s simple as that.


Maybe you forget your Rule Book, Chair.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 134 The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Please, read number 2 also.

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: No, no, but you can’t tell me which rule must I quote.

I am quoting Rule 92 The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Okay, I will read number 2 to you because I think you want to be lectured and this is not the time.

Mr S TAMBO: But this is out of order, Chair.


I mean, you are managing our members.

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: You are out of order because I am telling you which rule I am raising on is 92(1).

Mr S TAMBO: Point of order to you, Chair.

You are directing us.

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Why do you want to put words on my mouth on which subsection must I rise on.

You are bias.

That’s why I am saying to you, Chair, the reason why I am rising is ... NO, no, no.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 135 The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon member you are now going to be muted.

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Hon Chairperson, I am saying that while the national chairperson was speaking here, there were two members who kept on interrupting her, which is member Ponani Makhubela and the Deputy Minister of Basic Education but you have never ruled.

You never say to them they must leave the platform.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Thank you very much.

You were not listening Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Please, don’t be bias.

We are equal members.

We are not your step children in this Parliament.

Stop treating us as your step children here.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Thank you.

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: We have the right to be here voted by poor people on the ground.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon member, that’s not a point of order now.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 136 Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Don’t think we will say what you like.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon member?

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: We are not co-opted by the ANC here, Chair.

Allow our national chair because its our slot.

Ms M O C MAOTWE: Can you allow our hon member to finish: The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon members, let me respond to the order.

Hon Maotwe, I am now going to ask that they mute you.

I have already done that.


Hon Mkhaliphi, you are talking about hon Makhubela.

And hon Makhulela, we have asked ICT to mute her.

Now anyone whose name I have called I am no longer muting you.

We are removing you.

And I raised all the names.

Unfortunately, the one that you just talk about ... Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Reginah Mhaule.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Yes, Reginah Mhaule, I did not hear.

All the people that spoke I asked that they be muted.

Please, don’t say I am biased.


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 137 Ms H O MKHALIPHI: If you didn’t hear her, Chair, check with the Table Staff.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Please, don’t speak.

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: No, I am speaking on my point.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): You are finished hon member and I have ruled on that.

Thank you.

[Interjections.]

Mr S TAMBO: Point of order, Chair.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Who is that?
Hon Pambo is supposed to be muted.

Mr S TAMBO: No, this is hon Tambo.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Pambo I am not allowing you.

You are supposed to be muted.

Mr S TAMBO.

But Pambo, you kicked him already.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Tambo, you are supposed to be muted UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 138 Mr S TAMBO: No, no, no.

There is hon Pambo.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Tambo I am not allowing you.
You supposed to be muted.

Mr S TAMBO: Pambo not Tambo.

This are two different members.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): I might have said it wrong.

I agree.

But you are muted now.

Mr S TAMBO: There is Pambo and there is Tambo.

What did he do to be muted?

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon members, we proceed and I am going to ask ICT to mute everybody now on the virtual platform.

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: I am on the platform.

Mr S TAMBO: You confuse with two members.


Ms H O MKHALIPI: I am still on the platform.

You cannot kick me out like that.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 139 The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): As we proceed ... Mr S TAMBO: Point of order, Chair.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): I am not taking any point of orders.

I am going to ask that everyone be muted.

Thank you very much.

Ms M O C MAOTWE: Chair, can you please allow me.


The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Everyone must be muted.

I am not proceeding until everyone is muted on the virtual platform.

Hon members, I said they must mute everybody on the platform.

But the person who was given the opportunity to speak which is hon Mente has actually said things that are unparliametary.

Hon Mente, said that the President is a murderer and that the President is a thief.
Now I am going to allow you, ICT, to open and let hon Mente to withdraw.

That’s the only person who will speak.

Hon Mente, will you please withdraw?

Ms M O C MAOTWE: No, no, no.

Ms N V MENTE: Yes, I am back here.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 140 Ms H O MKHALIPHI: She is not going to be told by you.

You think hon Mente is your child.

IsiZulu: Akuyona ingane yakho umhlonishwa u-Mente.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Mente?

Ms N V MENTE: I am here.


The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): May you please withdraw?

Ms N V MENTE: I am not going to withdraw anything.

IsiXhosa: Sihleli nenkunzi yesela.

I-EFF iza kuhamba apha kuba asikwazi ukuhlala apha sihlalele ukukrwempana imiqolo kunye namasela.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): ICT, remove hon Mente from the platform.

Hon Mkhaliphi, you also responded in unparliamentary way.

Are you going to withdraw?


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 141 Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Withdraw what, Chair?

To withdraw that hon Mente is not your child?

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): You disregard the ...

[Interjections.]

Thank you very much.

ICT remove, hon Mkhaliphi.

Ms H O MKHALIPHI: You are protecting your own stomach.

We are not going to tolerate that.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon member Mkhaliphi must be removed.
Remove her from the platform.

We want to proceed.

Thank you.

Okay.

Hon member, what are you rising on?

Mr B A RADEBE: Thank you, hon Chairperson.

I am rising on Rule 69 ...

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Yes.

Mr B A RADEBE: ... gross disorderly conduct ...

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Yes.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 142 Mr B A RADEBE: ... (c) and (d).

We have heard the persistent undermining of the authority of the Chair.
I think that that Rule does not allow that.

Secondly, a lot of insults have been held since 2 o’clock this afternoon.

When you look at this it says that persisting making serious allegations against a member without adequate substantiations.

And then we heard that for the entire afternoon.

Can you please that when anyone brought that matter it must be dealt with.

Thank you, Chair.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Thank you very much.

That’s why I don’t want to take it as a general thing.
That’s why I am calling member by member.

And all the members that I have asked to withdraw and that have been doing that particular thing of flouting this Rule must be removed from the platform.

Thank you very much.

The DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Hon Chairperson, your Excellency, President of the Republic of South Africa, Cyril Ramaphosa, hon Ministers, Deputy Ministers, hon members of the National Assembly.
This budget vote takes place at a time of many intersecting challenges facing our country and facing the world, from UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 143 health pandemics, sluggish economic growth and the rising cost of necessities.

The fractures and discords in our social fabric call for new compacts of peace, compassion, inclusivity and social solidarity so that we face one direction as we tackle all the challenges that are facing our nation.
Together we have the strength to chart a better future for this nation.

Domestic socioeconomic exclusion largely caused by the rising unemployment, poverty and inequality has the potential to undermine social cohesion and inclusive growth.

Together we must address the contradictions of extreme poverty and wealth and strive to reduce, if not eliminate, social inequalities.

Once these inequalities are deep, they can result in severe disunity and social instability.
We dare not risk destroying the foundations of our democracy by allowing extreme wealth disparities, poverty and unemployment to continue unabated.

As we face all of these challenges, it is our responsibility as elected officials to work together to address them.

South Africans are disinterested in our political disputes, in our political divisions and slogans.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 144 We are at a crossroads of difficult socioeconomic challenges that can only be resolved through our collective commitment, shared national interest and purposeful cohesion.

Now is the time for leadership to rise above petty political differences and schisms in order to pave the way for national progress and inclusive development.
Ordinary South Africans want and deserve a government whose chief interest is the development and prosperity of its own people.

Society craves for a government service that comprehends its developmental responsibility.

The nation has lost patience with government officials that out of touch with their plight and expectations of the quality of service that they deserve.
As part of our moral regeneration agenda, we, as government, must lead the charge against corruption and inefficiency in our society, whether it be in the public sector or in business.

We cannot grow the capabilities of our people and generate decent jobs without a cadre of disciplined, committed, professional and ethical public officials who really are driven by the moral imperative of transformation.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 145 Equally, it would be impossible to build an economy that would be conducive for job creation without the provision of dependable electricity supply and generation capacity as important factors to achieving our developmental goals.

That is why all of us in the Presidency are fully behind the efforts of reviving the economy by, among other things, improving the ease of doing business and supporting the investment drive by the President.
As government we are well aware of the detrimental effect of loadshedding has on the economy as well as the inconveniences and hardship it causes for the country, the citizens and businesses.

Under the stewardship of the Eskom Political Task Team, we have begun implementing solutions to ensure energy security and long-term viability of Eskom, as announced by the president.
Government will also continue to support Eskom’s implementation of a credible and transparent national maintenance programme, which will ensure that power generation plants operate at optimal levels to reduce the negative impact of electricity supply interruptions.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 146 Alternative energy generation measures are also being explored and implemented within the framework of the 2019 integrated resource plan and augment electricity supply and improve great stability, as alluded by the President.

The primary objective is to enhance the nation’s capacity to provide uninterrupted electricity for economic growth and development.
Linked to the provision of energy supply is the creation of a predictable environment for investment by ensuring that land reform is accelerated to unlock economic development prospects.

This will be accomplished through the redistribution of land for agricultural productions to ensure food security for the country, for human settlements provision and industrial development.
These efforts are also about resolving historic challenges to achieve spatial justice towards the realisation of this right for all our people.

The implementation of our land reform programme continues along a constitutionally-defined path, hence the unfolding parliamentary processes of addressing land inequality, displacement, and dispossession.

As government we will continue to respond to the imperatives of restorative justice, economic inclusion and social cohesion.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 147 We can report that considerable progress is being made in the implementation of the recommendations that were made by the Advisory Panel on Land Reform and Agriculture to address land injustices.
We have since enacted a number of policy interventions including but not only limited to: Land Allocation and Beneficiary Selection Policy, Comprehensive Producer Support Policy; Land Donations Policy, Upgrading of Land Tenure Rights Amendment Bill and the Expropriation Bill.

We have travelled the length and breadth of our nation to promote the programme of accelerating restitution and redistribution; and this year will see the introduction of numerous similar initiatives.
Government will release land parcels in the hands of state-owned companies and municipalities for integrated human settlements and socioeconomic development.

This work also entails incorporation rural areas into the global value chains, thereby ensuring that our people contribute to driving economic growth that we seek to achieve.

A prosperous nation can only be realised through the full and active participation of its people.

That is why our successful productive capacity requires a healthy population.
In this regard, the office of the Deputy President continues to UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 148 spearhead national measures to enhance our country’s health outcomes.

Working with the SA National Aids Council, SANAC, we continue to strengthen efforts and campaigns to reduce the negative effects and burden of the HIV and TB.
To this end, efforts are underway to finalise the drafting of the new National Strategic Plan on HIV/AIDS, TB and Sexually Transmitted Infections, STIs, which will further direct the nation’s response to ending these epidemics as public health threats by 2030.
In the interim, catch-up plans have been refined to expedite service delivery and achievement of national and global targets of 90-90-90, where the 90% of all people living with HIV will know their status, 90% of all these people that have been diagnosed will be introduced to treatment and 90% of all the people receiving treatment will have their viral load suppressed.

The strategy serves as a framework for our national effort to mitigate the impact of HIV, TB and STIs.
Our national response to these epidemics requires that we coordinate better, we collaborate better and faster.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 149 While it is indisputable that the emergence of the COVID-19 pandemic brought misery, brought frustrations and loss of livelihood to many of our people, it has bestowed on us a unique opportunity to do things better, to do things differently with much less.
We seized the opportunity to leverage SANAC as a platform for consensus building and strengthening of social compacts.

This is why we interact with and try to rally communities as active partners in the national response to epidemics, non- communicable diseases and social ills including gender-based violence and femicide, GBVF.

Through this intervention services are brought directly to the people, thereby improving the access to services and empowering people to be active agents of change.
Part of this work includes engagements with various social partners such as Traditional and Khoi-San Leaders, Inter-faith Leaders and Traditional Health Practitioners to mobilise them to partner with government in this fight.

These social partners have committed to sustainable strategic partnerships with government by signing commitment pledges.

This campaign, on the Partnership Strategy which was successfully launched in December 2020 is progressing very well.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 150 In the forthcoming year the SANAC Private Sector Forum will primarily focus on setting up provincial structures to support the work of provincial and district AIDS Councils.

Everyone has a vital role to play in combating HIV and TB co-infections so that we have a productive population capable of building an inclusive economy for the benefit of all, especially the youth, women, people living with disabilities.
Our country remains a shining example of how a divided past can inspire a people to forge a new collective identity.

Even in the context of a history marked by intense conflict and fighting, our nation owes a sincere gratitude to tens and thousands of military veterans who submitted themselves to political leadership when we made the decision to resolve our differences through negotiations.
Similarly, the peace we enjoy today it’s as a result of the maturity of our veterans, who are the pillar of our nation.

As former soldiers, they placed themselves in the service of our country.

In the same spirit of trying to maximise their contribution of the people to our democracy system, the Presidential Task Team on Military Veterans has overseen the finalisation of the pension policy for military veterans.
To fully implement this UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 151 policy, a process is currently underway to conclude the beneficiary verification allowing for a quicker turnaround time and aiding the department in managing records of military veterans.
We have been interacting with various provincial governments and observed that the lack of profiling of military veterans hinders the implementation of programmes that are designed to improve the living conditions of our military veterans.

To this end, we will work together with provincial governments to expedite the profiling of ex-combatants in order to ensure the improvement of their welfare in accordance with the law.
We appreciate the veterans’ willingness to collaborate with government in addressing these issues, so as to contribute to social cohesion and stability in our country.

Our progress in building a stable and cohesive communities requires the existence of a strong, efficient and effective local government system with requisite capabilities to lead development and service delivery.
Our municipalities must be able to perform in line with their legislative mandates and ensure that communities have uninterrupted access to basic services such as water and sanitation, waste removal, electricity and roads.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 152 We are concerned that some of our municipalities are struggling to maintain existing key infrastructure for water and sanitation resulting in sewer spillages and interrupted water supply to communities.
In some cases, some of our municipalities have limited capacity to develop new infrastructure and expand access to services to cater for growing human settlements and demand for services.

As part of enhancing the capacity of local government, the Presidency will continue to work closely with the Department of Co-operative Governance and Traditional Affairs, CoGTA, and National Treasury to provide targeted support to municipalities to build necessary capacities.
Among others, the support includes: the strengthening governance system, improving audit their outcomes, development and maintenance of key infrastructure for water and sanitation, and supporting local economic development initiatives.

Within the context of the District Development Model, DDM, the Presidency will continue to lead and support the better coordination and integration of government programmes to maximise delivery impact on the ground.
Where challenges have been identified, we will continue leading coordinated interventions to respond to issues raised by communities.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 153 Notwithstanding objective weaknesses and gaps in infrastructure delivery, we are also concerned about acts of criminality targeting strategic economic and social infrastructure in our communities.
Theft and vandalism of our core network infrastructure threatens to roll back whatever progress the country has made over the last few years.

It cannot be allowed to continue.

We call upon communities to work with government and the police to guard and protect economic and public infrastructure from theft and destruction.

As we address development and service delivery challenges, we are cognisant of the critical role of traditional leaders in our local governance system.
Our governance framework make provision for the meaningful participation of traditional leaders in advancing socioeconomic development in traditional communities.

Our partnership with the institution of traditional leadership creates an effective platform for a joined-up efforts to advance the goals of rural development to benefit traditional communities under the jurisdiction of traditional leaders.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 154 The President has appointed an Inter-Ministerial Task Team to address all issues raised by traditional leaders.

Already, this task team has managed to convene a Communal Land Tenure Summit where all the resolutions that were taken in that summit will be able to be taken forward so that, finally, we resolve the challenge of communal land in communal communities.
Targeted infrastructure investment in rural areas should be geared towards unlocking economic development and employment opportunities while ensuring that access to schools, hospitals and basic services is significantly enhanced.

As the Presidency we remain committed to the direction that the President has given on reviving the economy.

This includes the implementation of the commitments that emanate from this year’s state of the nation address.
We recommit to these priorities as they are the key to creating a better South Africa for all our people.

Collectively, we will seize this opportunity to fight for and safeguard our cherished vision of a united, nonracial, nonsexist, just and prosperous South Africa.

Thank you, hon Chairperson.

[Applause.]


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 155 Prince M G BUTHELEZI: Hon House Chairperson, Your Excellency our President; Your Excellency our Deputy President, hon Speaker, our hon Ministers and Deputy Ministers, hon members of the National Assembly, before I speak to this budget, I will ask His Excellency the President, to tell me whether he understands me.

Am I speaking clearly enough, Your Excellency?


Or is my ‘speech an impediment’ causing difficulties?

I ask, because hon Madam Chairperson, Your Excellency, your premier in KwaZulu-Natal Mr Sihle Zikalala has publicly ridiculed me, telling the Children’s Parliament in kwaZulu- Natal that the Traditional Prime Minister to the Zulu Monarch and nation, myself, is incomprehensible, because he stammers.
He even did a lively impersonation of me to the amusement of the audience, encouraging the children of the Zulu Kingdom to mock me as the King’s Prime Minister.

And he did this in the presence of my eldest daughter.

I ask Your Excellency: What kind of a leader is that?

A leader who gets into drunken brawls in public, embarrassing his party, our Province, his Office and our country.
I can assure him that I am not an intellectual midget in any sense nor by UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 156 physique.

So, I cannot be pulled down by any midget of shape and kind to the level of midgets.

It pains me Your Excellency, personally, that the oldest liberation movement in our continent is discredited by leaders of the premier’s Zikalala’s ilk.
I take it personally, because when His late Excellency President Kaunda, on behalf the frontline leaders, asked me to found a membership-based organisation in 1974, our leader Mr Oliver Tambo immediately approved.

Thus, from the start, I stated that Inkatha was rooted in the ideals of the ANC as laid down by its founding fathers in 1912.
Now, the credibility of the ANC, and of the government, is continually being compromised as leaders are implicated in scandals, corruption, abuses of power, and behaviour that tears apart the moral fabric of South Africa.

When leaders show no respect and act like hooligans, how can we be surprised when anarchy such as we saw in July last year erupts?
Today, the IFP is called upon to debate the Budget Vote of the Presidency; a budget that yet again has undergone no scrutiny of any kind by Parliament, no oversight process and no UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 157 interrogation by the people who are charged with protecting our country from abuses of power and abuse of state funds.
So, for the sake of enabling the Presidency to perform its work, the IFP has always and every year supported this budget, despite none of our questions being answered.

We have done this on the assumption that the highest office in our land the Presidency would not act contrary to what is just and right, we assume.

However, I ask this question: Is that assumption still fair?
Are we fulfilling our duty if we rubberstamp an unexamined budget in the face of abundant evidence that the rot of wasteful expenditure, mismanagement and corruption is actually pervasive throughout government?

Your Excellency, in presenting the Presidency’s Budget Vote last year, you said that 10 years had passed since the National Planning Commission had identified the key cause of government’s failure – the lack of co-ordination.
You then declared that now, a decade later, we had a capable state which is and I quote, “well-run and well-managed, with clear lines of responsibility and accountability.” UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 158 That was June 2021.

And then after that, July 2021 happened.


In the aftermath of the worst civil unrest since the dawn of democracy, the investigative report of the expert panel described a Government entirely lacking in co-ordination; with duplicated reporting lines, overlapping roles, and a plethora of structures that fail to communicate.

It seems essential, then, that this budget should provide the audited performance history of programmes of the Presidency.
Yet the budget before us simply states that “no historical data is available”.

Targets for future performance are happily given, but past performance is omitted.

However, at least now despite the Deputy President has just mentioned that there is a task force looking at the role of the traditional leadership which was never recognised in the Constitution and has no role in any legislative framework.
Despite concerns being expressed, compensation of employees still consumes close to 62% of the Presidency’s entire budget.

The R1,1 billion is spent on staff salaries alone.

And estimated future expenditure on administration has increased yet again.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 159 We appreciate the President and Deputy President forfeiting a salary increase last year, in solidarity with the many South Africans who lost their income.

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Afrikaans: Dr P J GROENEWALD: Agb Voorsitter ... English: ... through you to the hon President.

Hon President, in common law, there is a crime which they call “compounding.” If the people see what is in the newspapers about the whole incident about your money it has all the elements of compounding.

Therefore, you cannot blame the people of South Africa if they have certain questions.

Hon President when you started here you said the people of South Africa come first and I agree with you.
What the people of South Africa does not understand, if you declare that you are willing to appear in front of the Ethics Committee of the ANC.

But you don’t tell the people of South Africa what the real facts are.

I want to appeal to you, if you say you put the people of South Africa first, tell them the truth because truth will always win at the end of the day.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 160 Hon Chairperson, I also want to say that the speech of the hon President is actually a picture of South Africa in this house, which is totally different from the picture of South Africa outside of this House.

Let me give you one example.

You referred to the Special Investigating Unit, SIU, but earlier this week, and you said you will ...

[Inaudible.]

... implement the recommendations from the SIU.


In this week, in front of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, SCOPA, the SIU declared that 463 cases, the recommendations have not been implemented, disciplinary steps against civil servants.

So, what you are saying doesn’t make sense.

Hon President, if we look at the crime rate in South Africa, the murder rate in South Africa is more than 6 000 for the first three months of this year and 157 907 victims of violent crime.
If we say violent crime you must understand that they are traumatized after that crime.

So, we have more than 52,000 people per month who are traumatized in South Africa because of crime.

The leading cause of murder, reason or factor is arguments, misunderstandings, which refers to a social problem.

Hon President, the second leading causative factor is mob justice, and that is worrying.
Because if you look at mob UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 161 justice, it says that the community, the people, don’t have trust in the police.

They don’t have trust in our criminal justice system.

You will remember about three or four years ago, we had the meeting with the United States of America, US, President and leaders, and I have specifically referred to our criminal justice system.

And what is the statistics actually revealing?


The increase in murder rate of women which is at 17,5%, for the children, a disturbing 37,2%, increase in murders for the three months in 2022.

Hon President, in an internal survey by the police itself, it revealed that 53% of the members of the police are actually said that the police members are dishonest.

I urge you there should be a priority number one on the criminal justice system.
Hon Chairperson, I want to ask the hon President, do you have a problem with Afrikaans?

Afrikaans is an official language acknowledged in the Constitution of South Africa.

But the Minister of Sports, Arts and Culture now wants to take the word Afrikaans out of the Afrikaans Taal Monument.

There is n other way to think that he’s got it against Afrikaans.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 162 But hon President, if there is ever a monument in South Africa, who is inclusive, that reflects the Nguni languages, the Khoi and the San, it is that Afrikaanse Taal Monument.

You didn’t say anything on that.

And I want to ask you ... Afrikaans: ... en ek wil vir die agb President vra, as dit moontlik is, kom ek en u besoek daardie monument sodat u die simboliek daarvan kan verstaan.

U wys vir my dit is reg.

Dan gaan ons hom besoek.


Dankie.

Ek wil ook vir u vra om vir die mense van Suid-Afrika te sê waar u staan met ... Afrikaans.

English: Lastly, hon President, and I don’t have time.

You referred to the economic measures you have taken.

the fact of the matter is as follows.

Are you aware that of the fact that in Matikwe, north of Durban there is a report that children eat sand, you hear me?

They eat sand to feed their stomach.


With great respect, hon President and you can say many words here.

But 199 children below five-years, died the last two-months because of malnutrition.

That is the reality of South Africa.

I thank you.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon members, UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 163 Setswana: Sebui se se latelang ho tswa ho ACDP ke motlh Moruti Meshoe.
English: Hon members, as we always say this room is too small and once a person speaks from that side or the other side we can’t hear we can’t hear the one on the podium.

Setswana: Motlh Meshoe, leka tswelelapele, rra.

Rev K R J MESHOE: House Chairperson, hon President and members, on the 25th of May 2019, President Ramaphosa delivered a speech that reverberated for months throughout the country.
He said, and I quote: I’m humbled by the trust you have bestowed upon me aware of the challenges our country faces, but also alive to the fact that our people are filled with hope for a better tomorrow.

Chairperson, in deed, the majority of South Africans trusted the President and were filled with hope for a better tomorrow.

But alas, that hope was short lived.


The allegations of UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 164 corruption, money laundering, racketeering, defeating the ends of justice against the President, have left the many devastated and deeply disappointed.

Rather than taking responsibility for breaking the law of this country.

The President maintains that his hands are clean and his integrity is intact.
Chairperson, the President cannot continue evading critical questions that have resulted from what happened at his Phala Phala farm.

These questions that demand answers include the following.

Firstly, why did the President keep foreign currency to the value of 4 million US dollars at his farm while knowing that it is illegal to do so?

Secondly, who brought the foreign currency on the farm and was it cleared with customs when it was brought on to the farm?
Thirdly, why was the breaking in and theft of that foreign currency that was found hidden in the furniture not reported to the police?

Fourthly, if that money came from sales of animals of the farm as some have alleged, has tax been paid on those sales?

Fifthly, is it true, Mr President, that a domestic worker who work there was bribed allegedly tortured even, to ensure that he does not talk about what has happened on the farm?

We want to know.
We want to know.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 165 While I know that justice must take its course and a full independent inquiry has to investigate these serious allegations, much will have to be done to restore the nation’s trust and confidence in the President.

I urge the President to be transparent and not to try and make excuses or hide any truth.

To the President I directly want to say sir, please do not allow this Phala-Phala incident to be part of your legacy.
Where there is fall, you need to repent and make right not only as head of state, but also because you are responsible before God.

I want to remind you further, Mr President, that King Solomon once said, and I quote: Whoever conceals his transgressions will not prosper.

But whoever confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy.

I wish you do that.

Thank you.

Mr W M THRING: House Chair, I rise on a point of order.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Can you please state what rule you are standing on, hon Thring?

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 166 Mr W M THRING: The rule that I am standing on is a rule that when a speaker is at the podium all of the negative comments that come through unnecessarily ...

The ACDP respected the President and they should do the same when our President speaks.

Thank you.
Thank you.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon member, I want to read to you Rule 92(3) which says and I quote: A member raising a point of order must commence by quoting the exact rule or a standing order or at least the principle of the subject matter upon which the point of order is based.

Please let’s do that it will help us a lot as we proceed.

Because we really can’t have a debate within a debate.

Thank you.
Thank you.

Mr W M THRING: Hon Chair, if that applies to every single member on this side and that side of the House then that’s fine we accept it.

Thank you.

Mr S N SWART: House Chair!

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 167 The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Yes, hon Swart.

Mr S N SWART: I rise on Rule 66.

When the leader of the ACDP was speaking it was incredibly difficult to hear him because of other members that were interrupting him by interjections.
You made mention of the fact that this is a small Chamber and therefore when there are interjections then it is very difficult.

In this case, Rule 66 indicates that a member is not interrupted.

And I notice that our leader had occasionally stopped because of the loud interjections and I would ask you to rule in that regard.

Thank you so much.

Thank you very much.

Hon members, I will repeat what I said.

My ruling is that this room is small, heckling is allowed, but heckling cannot be shouting.
That’s what I will say.

Hon Kwankwa, why are you raising?

Mr N L S KWANKWA: Since we couldn’t hear ntate moruti [Reverend] can he go back to the podium and deliver his speech again?

Please House Chair.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): What are you saying?

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 168 Mr N L S KWANKWA: We couldn’t hear ntate moruti [Reverend] speech, can he go back again to the podium again?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Kwankwa, that is out of order, you don’t give any instructions in this sitting.

Hon members, Rule 92 says that you must raise the point of order immediately when there is that occurrence.

Should you have raised your hand immediately, it would have assisted me.

Thank you very much.

As we proceed, we will now recognise the Minister in the Presidency.
The MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY: Hon House Chairperson, His Excellency, President Cyril Ramaphosa, Deputy President of the Republic, hon David Mabuza, hon members of the House, members of the media, fellow South Africans, I greet you all.

I think the challenge, Mr President, is that you have been very much unfair in this Parliament today.

First, you dislodged the opposition and turned them into fans in their grandstands.

Because you called them to a field of play they opted to sit in the grandstand.
So that left you alone in the field of play.

I am still going to speak about that part.

Secondly, unfortunately, Mr President, you also imposed UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 169 reorganisation of my speech because of the meticulous presentation you just put across.
We present this Presidency Budget Vote halfway through this Sixth Administration of government which was ushered in after the 2019 national and provincial elections where the governing party, the African National Congress, pledged to grow South Africa together.

Working with the people of South Africa, we pledged a new chapter of hope in the fight to eradicate unemployment, poverty and inequality.
A chapter to pursue the dream of our forebears of a non-racial, non-sexist, united, democratic and prosperous South Africa.

With all the above articulated by the President, as government we recognise that we have only two years left of the Sixth Administration.

We have therefore identified the priorities for the remaining period to deal with all the aspects of the triple challenges as articulated.
The Presidency will continue to play a leading role, as the President said, to build a nation that eradicates unemployment, poverty and inequality.

A nation that fights corruption and malfeasance which steals from the poor.

A nation where injustices of the past are UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 170 redressed and where socioeconomic transformation is a priority for our efforts.
A nation where all can live in safety and security without the scourge of gender-based violence and femicide.

The Presidency has thus developed and drives the strategic imperatives expressed in the National Strategic Plan which was adopted by Cabinet lekgotla last year, which identifies the following top ten acceleration interventions to deliver results towards tangible outcomes in 2022-23.

Amongst others, is job creation in the public and private sector.
The President has actually given a progress report on that.

Ease of doing business to stimulate private sector investment and grow productive sectors of the economy as part of recovery and addressing the jobs crisis in South Africa.

Using preferential procurement to utilise public procurement to empower enterprises owned by black people, women and persons with disabilities as well as small, medium and micro enterprises, SMMEs, and co-operatives.
Modernisation and digitalisation of the public service and the economy in general will contribute to economic recovery.

Interventions to immediately address household food insecurity and hunger.

The full rollout of the vaccination programme as a critical intervention to save lives, stabilise public health and enable stabilisation, UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 171 recovery and rebuilding of the economy.

Addressing water and sanitation backlogs in schools and communities.
Addressing the title deeds backlog is a long-standing commitment with generally poor performance up to this point.

Interventions to reduce violent crimes, including GBV.

While important progress has been made in combatting corruption and bringing perpetrators to book, more visible progress needs to be made with regard to prosecutions for corruption and related offences.

At this point in time ...

[Interjections.]

...


In March 2022, Cabinet approved the Country Investment Strategy which is currently out for public comment and consultation.

South Africa’s inaugural Country Investment Strategy aims to position South Africa as a key preferred African investment destination by attracting and facilitating quality foreign and domestic direct investment into the country.
Mr President, as we move to address this issue of investment strategy we want to also give some progress report in the area of security.

Based on the High-Level Review Panel by Professor Sydney Mufamadi, we accept that the progress is slow, but there is some progress to brief the nation about.
For instance, legislative impediment, in other words, General Intelligence UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 172 Laws Amendment Bill, which is ready for further processing by Cabinet and then Parliament, is in process.

Regulations for national intelligence committee have been drafted and are on consultation stage with co-ordinator and the drafters.

The process will be finished by September.

The split of two services is on track, domestic and foreign.
Under the stewardship of Ambassador Majola, the Director-General, a roadmap is being implemented.

Legal advisory service is hard at work with forensic investigation to uncover the extent of maleficence and referred case to Independent Directorate, ID, and the Hawks.

The matter of dogma shift from state security to national security is being addressed.

Soon we will be consulting the public on the National Security Strategy.
The matter of vacancies rate is continuously being addressed in tandem with achievement of stability at a management level.

These are some of the critical matters on implementation of High-Level Panel Review in this regard.
In fighting crime and corruption and building an ethical and capable developmental state, the Presidency has established a system for co-ordinating the implementation of all Special Investigating Unit, SIU, recommendations across the multiple departments, spheres and agencies responsible for implementation.

This will overcome gaps in accountability and UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 173 allow us to monitor and detect where there is inadequate progress in implementation.
Hon members, as we promised in February, this week we tabled the SIU reports implementation plan to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts while various investigations by law enforcement authorities on SIU recommendations are ensuing on a daily basis.

As a true testament to our commitment to running a transparent government, all volumes of the Zondo Commission report on the State Capture Inquiry have been released to the public within the timeframes we had committed.
We have, through the office of the Director-General in the Presidency, established a team to work through the recommendations before the deadline to Parliament which is 15 October.

We can promise the country that we will be as transparent as we have been throughout this process of implementing the recommendations of the report.

As the Minister of Finance said during the budget speech, resources have been allocated for the quick implementation of the report.
As we have previously stated, law enforcement agencies are already working to ensure that those who are found to have UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 174 been implicated in state capture are brought to book.

We have, in this regard, seen examples of serious arrests being made in the recent weeks.

That is the progress so far, House Chair, if one is to go quickly on what the DPME is going to do regarding this matter.

Hon members, thank you again.


As we know, we are at a very critical point in our term of office, with less than two years before the country goes to the polls.

The work that we do now and in the period to April 2024 will determine whether we are able to regain lost grounds and reverse the setbacks caused by multiple shocks, including the pandemic, the July unrest and the April and May flood disasters, all of which compounded poor growth levels.

[Inaudible.]

... poverty and hunger have worsened.


We are behind in our 2030 and Medium-Term Strategic Framework, MTSF, targets regarding growth employment, gross fixed capital formation, inequality and poverty.

While there are signs of economic recovery for many South Africans, sustained and growing economic equality has reduced the meaning and the value.

Again, these are not new but need to be reinvigorated.

These are our priority issues we are focusing on.


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 175 On prioritisation and focus, prioritisation is universally accepted as a principle of evidence-based decision making.

This principle of evidence-based decision making is a tall ask we are constantly asking upon a crisis to which we must respond with competing demands.
Listed in highlight, a people-cantered approach is our focus, an interventionist problem-solving approach, accelerated delivery and collaborative approach are areas we are actually dealing with.

In institutionalisation we are institutionalising integrated planning and alignment, effective monitoring and evaluation system, performance management system and digitisation of the Planning, Monitoring and Evaluation, PME, system.
All these are issues that as the Department of Planning, Monitoring and Evaluation we are focusing on.

I know, hon House Chairperson, I would have dismally failed if I did not deal with some nice issues.

Mr President, as I said, you have been allowed to play in the field alone.

The message sent by Parliament today is that ANC is alone in the field of play, therefore, the failure and success of this game depends on us.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 176 Hon John Steenhuisen came here and said nothing about Vote 1, but contradicted himself by saying that there is a need for investigations, and yet he had findings in his speech ...

[Interjections.]

... and then also cast aspersions on the law enforcement institution by saying that it is a pending smoke screen investigation.

What we don’t understand also, hon members, the President has not been charged.
Before there is a charge in the judiciary system, the prosecutors must analyse information and after that reach a determination whether there is a basis for charging or not.

As we speak here now ...

[Interjection.]

... What has occurred in Phala Phala, key institutions are analysing that and they are going to reach a determination.

The President has said, unequivocally, that he is going to co-operate with that.

One of the scariest thing, hon Steenhuisen, there is not a single one ...

[Interjections.]
[Interjections.]

... very few people in this narrative who are worried about the access in the precinct or the residence of the President which threatens his security.

Not a single one is speaking about that.

There is an access which still has to be investigated.

Secondly, he is robbed, and thirdly, he must be the one who is put in the adjudication spot.

None of you have said that.


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 177 The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Minister ... IsiNdebele ... ngiyacolisa, isikhathi siphelile.

Sithokoze malunga ahloniphekileko.

Thulani!

Ngiyabona bonyana nifuna ukuhlala la bekube kusasa ngombana anisafuni nokungipha ithuba lokoba ngikhulume.

Malunga ahloniphekileko, ngathana bekuya ngami bengizakuthi hlalani ngombana kade nithola isikhathi sekhefu.
Umuntu ekufanele aphendule kusasa nguMengameli, ngalokho kufanele alalele woke umuntu.

Asinipheni imizuzu eli-15 kheniphume nizakubuya.

Sithokoze.

BUSINESS SUSPENDED AT 18:07 FOR 15 MINUTES BUSINESS SUSPENDED AT 18:07 AND RESUMED AT 18:34.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): ...

[Inaudible.]

... Budget Vote, as I recognise from the ANC, hon Mahlaule.

Mr M G MAHLAULE: Hon President, Deputy President, hon members.
Chairperson, the Presidency has made enormous progress since 2019 that makes the democratic South Africa appear like the beginning of time rather than the end of history, and without shadow of a doubt, further progress is possible.

The progress UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 178 and success of the Presidency have been vigorously debated within both the Parliament and the public broadly.
In the midst of the Presidency Budget Vote today, however, a new discursive practice seems to be emerging, that of, conflating the public realm and the private realm, when reflecting on the performance of the Presidency.

Let me be clear about what I am talking about.

It is worth pointing out that the subject in today’s debate is President Ramaphosa as a public representative, and not President Ramaphosa as a shrewd businessman.
What President Ramaphosa does in his private life as a business man, is something that the Parliament has no authority over, and therefore it should not be the place for free thought and the exercise of reason.

Chairperson, the reason I am raising this, is obviously that, the opposition parties tend to use President Ramaphosa’s business interests to drive narratives that pit the President against the citizens.
As such, narratives are not only hegemonic, but also set up interpretative frameworks that repress anything that is articulated and envisioned outside of those frameworks.
For instance, the EFF speculates that President Ramaphosa concealed the crime at his farm for fear that such revelations UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 179 might expose the President’s involvement in what is supposedly, racketeering, which implies that President Ramaphosa’s commitment to fighting corruption is predictable, meaning, he’s talking left, so as to more rapidly walk right.
President Ramaphosa, that is the EFF’s views, it goes like, he must step aside to allow the rule of law to take precedent without interference.

Although it is hard to tell at the moment how much impact this view will have, it is nonetheless extremely popular in the public discourse, because the EFF is competing with the media to engage our attention with dramatic narratives.
But I am inclined to urge South African citizens to consume this view fact-fully, and to subsequently realise that this view is not truly helpful or, for evaluating the performance of President.

Chairperson, it is important to underscore that the view of the EFF, is nothing short of throwing stones in a glass house.
To be more specific, the ANC has never spread any distorting narrative when it was revealed that the EFF and its President for Life, received donations from donors alleged to be involved in illicit tobacco trade and tax evasions.
Moreover, the ANC has never conveyed a dramatic representative picture of the DA when one of its provincial executives in the UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 180 Western Cape province was at the centre of serious allegations of sexual assault, and yet, these opposition parties have the audacity to dictate to the ANC, how it should handle the alleged crime against President Ramaphosa as the party’s deployee in government.
The DA and the EFF must allow the internal disciplinary and integrity processes of the ANC to unfold without attempting to spur divisions where there is smooth unity, misunderstanding where there is convergence, and factions where there is agreement.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): hon Mahlaule, for a moment, please.

Hon Watson, you and hon Faber, please, that is too much.

I don’t want to disturb the speaker on the podium, I try to be, you know.

Proceed, hon member.


Mr M G MAHLAULE: Chairperson, South Africa is facing the triple challenges of poverty, inequality, and unemployment, and we should not pretend that these challenges do not exist, but this does not suggest that we must look away from the progress that has been made so far.
Just to illustrate, the current thinking about vertical and horizontal inequalities, often ignores wider dimensions of inequality such as between rural and urban workers, and between men and women, that may UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 181 retard inclusive economic development as outlined in the Economic Reconstruction and Recovery Plan, ERRP.
Furthermore, the approach to tackling vertical and horizontal inequalities, seldom places gentrification which harms residential neighbourhoods at the centre of concern.

For instance, gentrification is evident in the City of Cape Town whereby the DA-led Government allows market forces to keep property inflation rates too high to undermine access to affordable housing for the working class, as well as the poor who happen to be black.
This process is implemented under the guise of development, but its intention is to cater for the sophisticated lifestyles practised by the emerging middle and capitalist classes consisting mainly of white people.
Through the impressive work of the Investment and Infrastructure Office in the Presidency, the Mooikloof Mega Residential City project, which is estimated to create approximately 50 000 apartments and almost 41 000 direct jobs, is designed to tackle gentrification, as well as vertical and horizontal inequalities so that the City of Tshwane, does not become a mirror image of the City of Cape Town.
The project is designed to fast-track the key priority intervention of UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 182 accelerating an infrastructure-led economic recovery as outlined in the Economic Reconstruction and Recovery Plan.
In addition to providing access to lifestyle services which have been denied individuals in lower income groups, partly because of the conservative nature of the banking system in South Africa that is over cautious when financing housing developments for lower income groups.
Chairperson, the Presidential Employment Stimulus, PES, since its inception in 2020, as a response to the devastating effects of COVID-19 pandemic on employment, has transitioned to the second phase in line with the ANC-led government’s quest to create more job opportunities for unemployed South Africans.
To avoid misjudging the progress of the Presidential Employment Stimulus, more than half a million unemployed South Africans in sectors with direct social impact such as education, food security, public infrastructure maintenance, and environmental protection, benefitted from this employment scheme during its first phase.
Of course, the EFF as a self- proclaimed party that cares about the workers, is likely to argue that these job opportunities pay workers unacceptably low wages, and make them work in inhumane conditions.

What the EFF struggles to grapple with is that, there is no objective UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 183 way to understanding inhumane conditions and low wages, given South Africa’s status as one of the most unequal countries in the world.
It is plausible that what the EFF considers a low wage is a decent wage in the eyes of most South Africans at the receiving end of poverty, inequality, and unemployment.

Chairperson, opposition parties, particularly the DA and the EFF, tend to depict President Ramaphosa as a Leviathan, that always gets what it wants.
It is assumed that he has centralised power in the Presidency through Consultative Advisory Councils such as the Climate Change Commission and the Presidential Climate Finance Task Team, and this in turn, creates what is known as a state within a state.

What the DA and the EFF are unaware of is that, Cabinet is not a chessboard with predetermined moves, you just move this one to that one, but rather, a flexible institution that can be altered according to the need at the moment.
Actually, centralisation is not an issue that the EFF is equipped to rule on, since its Commander-in-Chief is all executive, legislature, and judiciary at the same time.

Notwithstanding the view of the opposition parties regarding centralisation.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 184 The Climate Change Commission has done so much work to support the Just Energy Transition.
Among others, it has managed to raise more than R131 billion from Western countries to help the country to achieve energy mix and energy security as outlined in the Integrated Resource Plan, 2019.

This investment will be helpful in procuring a further 9 213 megawatts during 2022 and early 2023 comprising of bid windows in renewable energy, storage, gas, and coal.
In conclusion, Chairperson, the Presidency budget, must pass because President Ramaphosa has performed exceptionally well in the middle of COVID-19 pandemic, which has halted so many social and economic development plans.

With the easing of lockdown restrictions, we have more reasons to believe that economic reconstruction and recovery will be accelerated at a faster pace.

You must listen.

Thank you.

Setswana: MODULASETILO WA NTLO: Re a leboga.

English: Hon Cuthberth, your voice is so strong.


So please, just try to slow it down.

Make it lower, please.

You are Cuthberth.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 185 Gen B H HOLOMISA: Chairperson, Mr President and hon members.

Mr President, you have made various promises during your state of the nation addresses, for instance, the project of Mzivubu Dam, the N2 Project along the wine coast, and many other projects, as well as the mega cities.
I would suggest that, maybe an audit of your promises, and a check-up of the progress you have made and the reasons for any failures.

Regarding the much talk about break-in at your farm, many opinions have been given by all political parties in the House, and the onus rest on you to consider the suggested courses of action for the sake of your family, the country and yourself.
Last Friday, the Public Protector was asked by one of the political parties in Parliament, ATM, and asked you to clarify the break-in at your farm, but today, Mr President, you suspended her, that is the Public Protector.

Who will investigate you, sir?

The police, who bungled this investigation, I doubt if they qualify.

Furthermore, Mr President, we have also been alerted that the judgement for the Public Protector ...

[Interjections.]

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Order, hon members.
I can’t hear.

Proceed, Mr Holomisa.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 186 Gen B H HOLOMISA: ... the judgement for the challenge which was mounted by some of us, where we said, you don’t have a leg on to suspend the Public Protector.

That judgement is due to be delivered tomorrow.

Why would you do this on the eve of judgement?

What kind of message are you sending?


Perhaps, has somebody from the judiciary whispered something, in the same manner as we witnessed under Abamjee?

Mr President, we have heard via the Zondo Commission, how the Ruling Party and some of its leaders have benefited from state resources, even your own words have echoed these sentiments.

IsiXhosa: USIHLALO WENDLU (Nksz M G Boroto): Siyaxolisa lungu elihloniphekileyo uHolomisa, ixesha lakho limkile.

IsiXhosa: Nje B H HOLOMISA: Hayi niliphelise ngabom.
Niwuvile kodwa umyalezo, la masela la.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon members, the way you are making noise it’s not right because, somebody will say something and you will come and say, this is a point of order, when I’ve heard nothing.

So please, let’s respect this House.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 187 We know that you can heckle, but limit your voices.

Don’t over drown the speakers.


The MINISTER OF SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT: Thank you very much, Chairperson, this might be sounding very funny coming from me, but this is a fact and the truth.

We are in a situation where as South Africans and Parliamentarians need to take a moment and think very seriously about what happens in this House.

From the bottom of my heart, I’m genuinely saying that there is a time when we can make all the noises, insult each other and do everything that we want to do.
But there is a time when we need to stop and I personally believe, hon Chair, having been in this House, having been one of those that also make those noises, having been one of those that heckles beyond imagination ...

[Laughter.]

I am now saying the people of South Africa are calling upon us now to relook and rethink and think very hard about what comes out of this House.

[Applause.]
[Applause.]

This, hon Chair, President and Deputy President, I say genuinely as a representative of the South African people who many of whom fought to be here and never got a chance to be here.

It is my time, Mr President, Deputy President, to say to the hon members here that it is a time now for us to pull UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 188 back.
It is a time for us now to really do a complete overhaul in a manner in which we conduct ourselves in this House and I want to say today I am going to be number one in that.

[Applause.]

Your Excellency, Mr President thank you very much.

I do want to say to those who do not believe ... IsiZulu: ... abafuna ukukholwa njengoThomas, ngizocela ukuthi bangibheke kusukela manje ukuya phambili.

Bangitshele ukuthi bayangithemba noma abangithembi.
Ngime la Mnu Mongameli ngicela ukubonga ukuthi wena ... English: ... as a President of the Republic of South Africa, you are leading us and you expect certain things from us, as the executive and you, Deputy President, I am sure you expect the same.
IsiZulu: Ngoba sikhuluma nabantu abasemakhaya ngiyacela, Sihlalo ohloniphekile, namalungu ahloniphekile ukuthi ngicaphune amagama anokushiwo omunye usisi, omkhulu kahle, engimthandayo UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 189 woKhozi FM, uLady D onokuthi uma eqeda uhlelo lwakhe athi: “Nginithanda nonke emakhaya.” Ngicela ukusho ukuthi thina singamalungu we-ANC ngiyethemba nabo laba abangapha bazovuma mangithi sinithanda nonke emakhaya.
English: Mr President and Deputy President, I am here being very thankful of the fact that Mr President you referred to a very challenging situation, which we have been in as a nation with regard to the military veterans.

Mr President, Deputy President, and members of this House, any nation that does not respect, that forgets about the people who sacrificed for their freedom and takes them for granted does not deserve a future.

Every nation all over the world they always remember the future.
They remember their heroes and heroines who made it possible.

I wish to thank you, Mr President and Deputy President, that you have taken this issue very seriously because it has been going on for too long.

I do want to say to you in this House and to the nation, those military veterans deserve a better life.

Those military veterans and their children and grandchildren deserve better.

It is possible for us to give them that better life they deserve.

[Applause.]
[Applause.]

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 190 Mr President, while continuing to provide solid leadership to all-of-government in the service of society and all our people, Your Excellency, your office, your Deputy President and all the Ministers and everyone who works in your office and I thank you also for raising an issue of the DG in your office.
Nothing is as painful and especially being a woman find yourself being threatened in the manner in which she’s being threatened.

I am hoping Mr President that those thugs ... IsiZulu: ...angazi ukuthi ngibabizeni.

Ngicela ukuthi bamyeke aqhubeke enze umsebenzi wakhe.
English: Mr President, you are steering the ship that you are steering and commandeering for: Firstly, effectively carry out executive oversight on coherent policy and integrated programme implementation pursuant of an inclusive, transformed and prosperous South African.

Mr President, we talk of prosperity.

Prosperity cannot be only for us who are in this House.
Prosperity has to be for all citizens of this country; UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 191 Secondly, provide responsive technical competencies by which accountability is necessarily engendered in the quest to realise government’s strategic agenda; Thirdly, continuously improve governance, state capacity and programme implementation with the view to qualitatively better the state of our people — yes, your constituency, hon members, when I talk about the state of people, I am not only just talking about the members of the ANC.
I am talking about your own constituencies too, and through social and economic reconstruction and recovery we have to get South Africa working.

We just came back from a strategic planning meeting where the President told us in no uncertain terms that we must fill the potholes.

He told us in no uncertain terms that everything that is a challenge that depends on us, we must be able to deal with it.
So, within the three programmes that I have just spoken to The Presidency’s Budget Vote 1 for the 2022-23 financial year, the Presidency will continue to lead and co- ordinate processes that formulate and implement comprehensive and sustainable solutions relative to the legacy of poverty and unemployment, as well as the novelty of climate change.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 192 Mr President, when we talk about climate change, we want to say to our people the issue of climate change is not just a government issue.

When we were crisscrossing KwaZulu-Natal, we were telling them that when they wake up early in the morning and watch the news and they see the weather, they must not think about what are they going to wear.

They must think about what’s going to happen.


Is it going to rain, is it going to be a heavy rain?

Is it going to be a light rain?

Will I still find my house when I come back or not.

So, Mr President all the areas that yourself together with the Deputy President as well as the Minister Gungubele spoke to, are the issues of great importance to ask as a Department of Social Development.
Of course, Mr President, we are not just about the Department of Social Development, we are about the overall performance of our government where government creates a conducive environment for our people.

Our social protection framework constitutes part of our comprehensive approach to inequalities, unemployment and poverty.
Not only do we provide targeted social assistance to cover 18 million South Africans who cannot provide for themselves and their families every month - excluding over 10 million who are receiving the COVID Social Relief of Distress grant, the SRD, R350 – and I know that there are UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 193 those who are going to say that yes they are still waiting for that R350.

Yes, Mr President, they will get that R350.


However, the fact is that in order for us to pay that R350, we’ve got to make sure that there are proper systems that make sure the money is paid to the right people.

Secondly, we spend a lot of money also in paying that money.

so we have to negotiate with banks.

Unfortunately for us, we have to negotiate with the banks.

Maybe one day Sassa may be able to do its own payments so that it doesn’t have to go through the pain that we are going though.
So, Mr President, that R350 will be paid.

Now turning into international area, Mr President, South Africa is part and parcel of a greater world.

Therefore, it is important for us as a country and as a nation to continue calling for peace across the world.

We call for peace in North Africa, in the Sahel, in the Horn of Africa, in the Middle East, Asia and, of course, we call for peace even in Europe.

The issue of the conflict or the war between Russia and Ukraine is of importance to us.
We want to make sure that our efforts which we have been putting as a nation, as a country, from the time that we started in 1994, we have been respected by the world for being able to participate in peacekeeping UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 194 missions.

We have been able to participate in bringing peace through negotiations.

I stood here at the time when we were trying to bring peace in the DRC.
I crisscrossed the country together with Minister Nkosazana Zuma at that time.

I can tell you every step - where and what was happening in the DRC.

Nothing pains me than to see African people throughout this time, women and children running away with their miserable, possessions carried on their heads, running away from mortars, from all kinds of weapons and I asked myself a question: Who is selling those weapons?

May those who sell the weapons stop.


Just like we have seen the ones who are selling and buying weapons from the West.

Now sending them to the Ukraine and very soon they’ll be trying to find out how do we remove these weapons and yet they know ...

In fact, Mr President, I think some of them are making money because their industries are going while our industries are not going.
We want to also thank the African continent for receiving us and also for enabling President Cyril Ramaphosa and Minister Naledi Pandor to work under very difficult conditions in the African continent as well as the world.

But also I would like to thank Africa for its African continental free trade, which UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 195 has been ratified by 42 countries.
We are hoping that economic peace, stability and development will come to the continent and we must not exclude ourselves from the African continent.

I thank you.

Ms T L MARAWU: Hon Chairperson, on the 3rd of June 2021, whilst delivering a budget speech, President Ramaphosa made a lot of good sounding utterances but failed dismally on each one of them.

Because of time allocation I will deal with just three of his statements.
He said; “We commend the hard work that has been underway in the National Assembly and through public hearings across the country on amendments to section 25 of the Constitution to enable the expropriation of land without compensation.” This statement was a pure lie because the term expropriation without compensation does not even appear on the Draft Bill to amend section 25 of the Constitution.

What appears is expropriation with nil compensation.

The two are not the same and are not even interchangeable.
The difference is very fundamental although to an unsuspecting eye they may sound the same, it is semantic, it is not.

Why are the people of South Africa being lied to?
Secondly, he said; UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 196 “If our economy is to thrive, if our people are to be empowered, if poverty is to be defeated, we need to tackle corruption, fraud and mismanagement in every area of public life.” When this statement was made, President Ramaphosa already knew about the robbery in his Phalaphala farm where contrary to our foreign exchange laws, millions of US dollars were stashed under mattresses but he failed to take this House into confidence and explain the circumstances around this robbery.
Section 96 prohibits Members of Cabinet from engaging in other paid work, yet the President told a hall full of conference delegates and media in Limpopo that apart from earning his salary as a president, he is also a farmer that trades in buying and selling game and livestock.

How then should the nation have confidence in a President that boasts about flouting the Constitution?
Thirdly, he said; “We are steadily and progressively turning the tide, strengthening our law enforcement agencies, identifying wrongdoing and ensuring that action is taken against those responsible.” UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 197 President Ramaphosa has confirmed that the robbery in his farm was not reported to the Police official as specified by the law, PRECCA, Prevention and Combating of Corrupt Activities Act section 34(1).
The PPU, Police Protection Unit, member that the President reported the matter to is not the DPCI, Directorate for Priority Crime Investigation, officer for crime as contemplated in the law, hence as we speak there is still no case number.

So basically, the wrongdoing went unreported and thus not captured in the crime statistics of the country.

That alone undermines and sabotages the entire Act and is unacceptable.

How can we win the war against corruption and criminality?
Hon Speaker, section 83(b) of the Constitution of South Africa demands that President should, uphold, respect and defend the Constitution.

[Time expired.]

Mr J J McGLUWA: South Africans faced its first ever remix performed live by President Ramaphosa.

This remix is not made in the studio.

Beneath all these classic hits are the echoes of an entire political structure that is in total tatters, the emperor is without clothes.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 198 Mr President, it is time to read between the lines.

The recent developments are no doubt a consequence of your inability to act against counter-revolutionary forces within your own party.

You cannot claim to be shocked again.

The fact is, in a bid to pretend that there is unity within your own ANC, you appointed a bunch of alleged corrupt ANC cadres to your Cabinet.
Instead of confronting you directly, some Ministers are making use of a faction to try and get rid of you.

So much for unity in the ANC.

Mr President, not a single person outside of this morally and ethically corrupt ANC believes that the state of our country, will improve under this poverty cabinet you have appointed.

Our country has become a laughing stock and human dignity should be everyone’s pride.
House Chairperson, the love for sporadic game, the bidding of a massive R18 Million buffalo amid a sea of poverty, the amount spent satisfying the RET, Radical Economic Transformation and ramaphoria faction.

And as I continue Speaker, I recall the inspired lyrics of Thuma Mina and Khauleza.
Little did we know it was a plight of... UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 199 IsiZulu: ... bheka mina ngedwa ... English: ... an actual plight to send you Mr President to Phala Phala and the increasing pressure from Mr Frazer.

The DA has requested the Hawks to investigate charges against him but hell no Mr nice guy, Cyryl Ramaphosa redeployed him to Correctional Services.

Eat your cake Mr President!

Our country is on the edge of becoming a total failed state.
There is no denying that ANC cadres in government over the last 2 decades have turned its back on the people of South Africa, in favour of lining their own pockets through corruption, fraud, theft, money laundering and racketeering.

Unlike you Mr Ramaphosa, we are not shocked that the tentacles of ANC, corruption is so deeply entrenched within his government.

We are not shocked that the integrity of the state has been compromised by the ANC in government.
We are not shocked that R62,1 million has been hid under a mattress.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 200 We are not shocked that the economic recovery package is not showing any real economic growth.

We are not shocked that almost 15 million people are jobless.

We are not shocked Mr President that you are dealing with a dilemma.

We are not shocked that you preferred to speak to the Integrity Committee instead of the country.
We are not shocked to have learned that someone won the first prize being the mampara of the week.

Sesotho: Wena o etsang ntate Moporesidente?

English: We are not shocked because for the last 20 years it was the DA that have warned the ANC that our state of decay and misery and despair today has been forewarned Speaker, it feels like forever we are therefore entitled to ask; where was the President when the Guptas took control of important SOEs such as Transnet, Eskom and Denel?

Where?
Where?

Afrikaans: Waar was jy, mnr die President?

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 201 I know.

The President himself was deployed by the ANC to make these appointments so we are putting the blame on your doorstep Mr President.

Mr President the worst is yet to come.

Please allow me to rewind a little bit and dwell on the counter revolutionaries and those who ones being your praise singers.
Let me remind you that the Deputy President is a paid up member of the Premier League.

It has once been said that a leopard cannot change its spots, Tigers don’t cry Minister Mantashe and buffalos have smooth tongues.

One wonders if the deputy in its worth the deputy of a deputy because he is always absent without leave, all the time and when coming to Parliament the same old answer to member of this House.
The Minister of Police, wears a hat House Chairperson, hot headed, always in a hat, always with a hat but he is currently kept under a hat for a big surprise.

Ayanda Dlodo claimed she has warned about the riots in KZN yet we had Parliament up in flames.
Former Health Minister Zweli Mkhise whose name surfaced in a SIU, Special Investigating UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 202 Unit, investigation probing on how a KZN provincial tender ballooned from a R3,5 million to R114 million.

Who will forget the R10 million glorified wheelbarrow Scooters bought to serve as an ambulance?

Then there is Digital vibes, with Covid-19 corruption that hit the R5 billion but this ANC government is quiet.
To date not a single word by the Presidency on Dikos whereabouts when asked.

She swindled the public purse with PPE, personal protective equipment.

She was found guilty failing to disclose her interests and only received a written warning She seems to be the untouchable and is nowhere to be found.

Paul Mashatile’s attempt to amend the step aside resolution should be an eye opener to you Mr President.
Former Defence Minister, very confused at lack of police in KZN, some food for thought here Mr President.

Mr President, hasn’t my good old friend Minister Patricia DeLille told you they wash your dirty linen in public.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

Your washing is all over the show from UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 203 Cape to Cairo and from Cairo to Beit bridge.

Mr President, this the end of your washing line.


Finally, Mr President allow me to put my hands over your eyes.

It’s a surprise, Mr President a big surprise.

Your Palace are falling apart.

Happy New Year Mr President!

Ms J TSHABALA: Hon House Chairperson, hon Deputy President, hon President, hon Chief Whip of the Majority Party and the Deputy Chief Whip, Ministers, Deputy Ministers, Members of Parliament and viewers at home, I greet you in the name of a man that live tirelessly.
A man that spends all his life worrying about the nation.

A man that gives free basic education.

A man that gives National Student Financial Aid Scheme, NSFAS, for free so that the kids can study.

I greet you in the name of a man that ensures there is free housing.

A man that gives water, electricity to the indigent.

I greet you all in the name of a man that ensures that the children go to school.

They never hungry.

They find feeding scheme.


I greet you in the name of a man that ensures there is uniform.

I greet you in the name of a man that ensures no UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 204 child ever sleeps hungry.

I greet you in the name of a man that ensures that there is Child Support Grant, there is Old Age Grant, there is Indigenous Grant and there is R350 Grant.

I greet you in the name and I introduce you to that man.
And the name of the man is ... Tshivenḓa: Vho Maṱamela fhondo dzhivha luaṱamela na vhavhulayi.

Ndi ri mulalo kha u vhe na vhathu, ṇala dza vhathu, ndi ri ahe Vho Maṱamela.

Aa!

English: Hon President, as I have greeted the nation ... IsiXhosa: ... ndivumele ndikhahlele iNkosi yam uZwelivelile Mandela.

Ndithi ndiyakhahlela kuwe tata.

English: I greet you also in the name of the former Mayor of Johannesburg Geoffrey Makhubo, Jolidee Matongo and Mpho.

Moerana.
Moerana.

I say may their souls rest in peace and rising.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 205 Now hon House Chair, as we prepare ourselves to accelerate or rather celebrate the commemoration of the student uprising of 1976 on 16 June, I am incline to quote Tata Mdala Reginald Tambo when he marks and said, and I quote: “The children of any nation are its future.

A country, a movement, a person that does not value its youth and children does not deserve its future”.
Tactically genuinely leadership role as a freedom fighter Barney Molokwane, Hector Peterson, “Tsietsi” Mashinini, Dan Motsitsi, Collen Chabane, to name the few, Mama Winifred Madikizela-Mandela that has ensured that they flare their lives as a great resource that can assist us to appreciate the democracy we enjoy today and equip us with the hope that the current young generation will as the old generation of 1976 to overcome hash conditions continue the long term trend towards the full emancipation of people of South Africa towards a programme that is called, non-racial, non-sexist democratic united country.
[Applause.]

I do not wish to deny that there are many challenges, Mr President, that make our young people fill hopeless, especially on the issue of unemployment.
However, Mr President, the Presidential Employment Stimulus, PES, and Expanded Public Works Programmes in the Department of Public Works has created more than 1 million job opportunities since UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 206 the emergence of Civid-19 emergence and most of this job opportunities were directed towards young people.
Mr President, your work is commendable and we would like to urge you that such initiatives should be the day to day function of the government and not be visible only during the state of disaster.

Mr President, there is a greater potential to create job opportunities for young people who stay on enterprises, for instance, the SA Forestry Company SOC Limited, Safcol, has an enterprise development programme which seeks to develop young people and women on businesses for the forestry industry.
Moreover, there are opportunities for greater or small medium micro enterprises within the United Nations Educational, Science and Cultural Organisation, Unesco, mining, agriculture value chains.

By such programmes opportunities are hard to realise because Safcol and Alesco operating communities with the outstanding land claim.
Mr President, we employ you Mr President to attend to these issues as a matter of urgency and we are confidence that the Budget Vote will assist our government in its effort to accelerate the collaboration between Commission on UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 207 Restitution on Land Rights, the Department of Agriculture, Land Reform and Rural Development and the Department of Public Enterprises.
Now let me mention the opportunities that would have been noted under this Budget Vote as we support this Budget Vote as the ANC.

There is a total learner pipeline of 2,715 Chinese current cleaning the system registered in various programmes across SOCs.

Of this 1 121 are artisans’ trainees, 235 of which are funded through the National Skills Fund as part of the SOC programme of optimising their training facilities 623 are engineering trainees.
A total of 387 students have been supported with bursaries in the 2021-22 financial year.

Over and above this a total of 334 completions were recorded for the financial year under review with 107 placements into permanent positions.

Now Mr President, I want to quickly go to the issue of Denel.

We are seeing that is another strategic state-own company which can contribute virtually to the government imperatives including the creation much needed job opportunities and be extremely profitable.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 208 What we are saying Mr President, can you ensure that you resolve issues of salaries that people have not been paid as a matter of urgency because we really need Denel.

And Denel is very important for the sovereignty of this country.
Mr President and hon House Chair, we often hear the opposition parties arguing over margins that the President has centralised power through Consultative Advisory Council such as the Presidential SOE Council and the Inter-Ministerial Team which supersede the mandates of the organised recognised department aside from the fact that the mandate performance agreement speaks for itself.
The Inter-Ministerial Task Team under the auspices of the capable Deputy President Mabuza has developed the Active Eskom Partnership Model to reduce the indebtedness of municipalities to Eskom while ensuring that the lights of municipal residents are kept on.

The model has proved to be successful as Maluti- a-Phofung Municipality.

For example, has paid R54 million of its Eskom debt in March 2022.

And this was the first time as ever well that the account was serviced.
Now under this DA administration in the City of Johannesburg that switches off the lights of indigent communities even if UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 209 there a policy the led the chief would have said the majority party.

They don’t really care about the poor.


What they have done was to ensure that they are switching off electricity without even engaging communities Hon President, one has spent sleepless night last night because there was an incident in Soweto Tladi, Moletsane were within nine months even in Orange Farm in Johannesburg in Gauteng that for nine months’ people have been without electricity.
Eskom went ahead and switched off at night and say they are going to put prepaid metre without engaging with the communities, not even going through the ward councillors and as a result community goes to ward councillors houses and they threatened their lives.

They want to burn their homes.

I think it is high time that the Minister of Police should do something to protect the lives of the councillors.

They don’t work for Eskom.

Eskom is important for them.


They must engage the localities until such programme when they implement them, Deputy President it becomes something that we have agreed on when community is happy to do so.

Know that our people don’t UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 210 want to pay.

They really want they pay what they can afford.

I will employ you to look into that.

Thank you so much.
Thank you so much.

As I move on hon House Chair, the Presidential SOE Council must be applauded for assisting with stabilising Eskom.

Since the easing of lockdown Eskom recovers which in turn enhance and improve its operating cash flows.
This is primarily the reason why Eskom debt has declined from R484 billion to R401 billion More importantly, Eskom has invested R2,9 billion in social infrastructure in Lephalale since the inception of Medupi project and more than 20 000 people benefited in job opportunities as well training entrepreneur development, financial literacy, module employments skills courses, just to name, but a few.
In addition, Eskom spent R106 million on education and healthcare infrastructure in the same area through its corporate social initiatives and at least 80 000 people benefited.

This empirical evidence just two things that Eskom remains a critical SOE with a head count of more than 42 000 that it employs.
That inclusive growth and development can be UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 211 built on the foundation of enterprises that has the government as the alternative shareholder.

So, you want to tell me the President is not doing anything, come on.
Mr President, load shedding remains an important national challenge, not to be ignored or denied and the South African citizens are unhappy about its detrimental effect on the healthcare, literacy, food security, firm productivity and so on.

This is the reason why the President, please resolve the load shedding.

We support the Budget Vote.

Long live the President.

[Applause.]


Mr B N HERRON: House Chair, a week ago when we were considering our approach to the Presidency’s budget we wanted to be addressing the issues that worried South Africans deeply and to ask our President to lead our country to the prosperity that we all desire and deserve.

We would have liked to challenge the President to lead a reprioritisation of our country’s spending so that we could address the crises we can no longer ignore.
We would have implored the President to accelerate the implementation of a basic income grant and restructure our fuel price because millions of South Africans are struggling UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 212 for their basic survival or swimming or drowning in debt.
Then we learned about the breach in security at the President’s farm in 2020, the loss of vast sums of cash, and the questionable steps allegedly taken by the head of the President’s security to manage the incident.

The questions that arise, in the absence of adequate answers and speedy investigations, have enormous destructive power.

We repeat our call that we made two days ago for the President to urgently take South Africans into his confidence with respect to the cash that was stolen from the farm.
By offering a credible explanation for these events, the President would not only defend his integrity but that of the country.

At the same time, a credible explanation would contribute to breaking the toxic South African cycle of allegations of criminality being weaponised by politicians instead of being swiftly investigated by police and prosecutors so that they could be dealt with in our constitutional democracy’s framework.
By choosing, instead to effectively invoke the so-called sub judice rule, the President, unfortunately, fuels the narrative that there is something to hide.

Investigators and prosecutors must do their work, for it is they who have the power to prevent our country from spiralling from one round of endless UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 213 allegations, accusations and manipulations at the expense of the welfare of the majority of the people and this country.
It is disappointing that our debate is unavoidably diverted from the business of the people.

We have a long list of crises, from poverty to crime, unemployment, inflation, natural disasters such as what we recently saw, climate change and of course Eskom.

We do not need another one.

We need to be debating how we achieve a just and prosperous South Africa based on spatial, social, economic and environmental justice.

And we implore the authorities to act swiftly.


South Africa deserves our undivided attention.

We must as the House also distinguish between a reported crime or a reported allegation and a criminal charge.

It would be a great disservice to the people of South Africa by referring to criminal charges.

There are no criminal charges.


Charges are brought by the National Prosecuting Authority and we must be clear that any one of us can walk into a police station and make an allegation, that is not a criminal charge.

Thank you.

[Applause.]

Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Hon House Chairperson, allow me to start by saying what we are hearing today is not the reality on the ground.
Seventy per cent of the youth in this country are UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 214 unemployed, and yet we say the children are the future of this country.

Thirty-five per cent of the people in this country are unemployed, the true figure is around 42%.

Seven million people in this country go hungry to bed every day, so it cannot be business as usual.

Millions more are homeless many more are landless including the Khoi and the San.
Nelson Mandela Bay is about to be waterless.

Forty-six per cent of people in this country get some form of social assistance and we now talking about the basic income grant.

Is this sustainable?

No.

Your debt-to-GDP is going to go up to R5,5 trillion in the medium term, and we say it is all okay.

Three hundred and fifty women are raped in this country every day and we say it is okay.

Thirty women are murdered daily in this country, and we say it is okay.
Twelve children are murdered daily in this country, and we say it is okay.

Seventy-five people are murdered daily in this country, and we say it is okay.

What are we doing about it?

There is a budget cut for the police but there is a budget increase for VIP protection services, where is the logic behind this, where is it?
I have said time and time again in this House that the police cannot solve the problem of crime in this country, it is a UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 215 socioeconomic condition under which our people live.

Now I have noticed many of the members of the ANC are trying to defend what happened on the farm of the President.

The President has not defended or denied that money has been taken, he did not deny that some bribe might have been paid to a housekeeper or maid.
He did not deny that they might have been interference.

There is a process that is unfolding.

Let us not defend yet.

Let us allow the process and the President to do what he has to do to respond to that because as the leader of this country, the President is ought to do that, to give back confidence to the people in this country, that is what we must do.

Mr President, one in two children starts school and does not finish school in this country, Mr President.
Sixty per cent drop out in the first year of tertiary institutions and TVET colleges, that is how bad it is.

The education system does not produce the skills we need in this country.

More of your billionaires today are living abroad not in the county, that is a problem we are sitting with.

Mr President, I do not believe you are serious about corruption and let me tell you why.

Corruption at the local level, Mr President, is rife.
Day in and day out that is where UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 216 the corruption is.

I plead with you to deal with corruption at all levels starting at local government and more importantly the dysfunctional state of municipalities at loggerheads to overthrow each other to take control of the municipalities instead of delivering services to the people.

Thank you very much.


The MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY FOR WOMEN, YOUTH AND PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES: Your Excellency, Mr President, Deputy President, hon ministers, the Chief Whip of the Majority Party and the deputy, “malibongwe” [praise] to all “bomaswarathipa ka bogaleng” [those who would go to any length in protecting their children].

We are here today to say we are being led.

Sepedi: Gape re swanetše re laolege gomme re bušege.
Bomaswarathipa ka bogaleng, basadi ba Afrika-Borwa, le se ke la fela maatla.

Le se ke la ya le ditaola badimong.

Rutang bana ba lena mekgwa ye mebotse.

Bana ba rena a ba godišwe ... English: ... in a society that says boys and girls are important.

Sepedi: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 217 Bana ba godišwa ke mma le papa.

English: I got a shock of my life when my kids agreed that I must go and do my masters in International Relations after 20 years.
I will never forget the tutor who took me along who said, “you know Maite, you are the first generation of parents post- apartheid who grew up in the villages who had a father and a mother who woke up and slept with their children.

This is because they would be working somewhere far away and only came back home during Christmas time.

It was such a wakeup call for me that this was so true.

Twenty-eight years is not a very long period in the life of a nation that went through so much pain like we did.
So, Mr President and Deputy President, you are leading a nation that needs to be rebuilt so that 28 years in a lifetime of a nation doesn’t mean we have solved all the problems.

But if we come here and debate irrelevant ...

I say irrelevant because indeed that which we focused on today is not what is central.

What is central is the following: The Minister of Police said after every 3 hours a girl-child or a woman is killed.

This afternoon at lunchtime, Mr President, I saw young girls smoking.
I saw smoke that was more than the face I saw.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 218 This was something called vapor whatever.

These are the children we are raising.

We are not talking about those things here.

If this House – the DA, ANC and all of us - can remember that we did not come here to serve ourselves but to focus on building this young and fractious nation ... A country in which the richest and the poorest and the gap thereof ... We are number one.
Every three hours a woman and a girl-child dies from ...

Many of them are not killed by strangers.

They are killed by people who are supposed to love and protect them.

Yesterday we were answering questions as to where the gender-based violence counsel is.

The gender-based violence counsel is still being discussed with Nedlac because that is a process we have to take before it comes to Parliament.

It is coming to Parliament, and it will come soon.


If we had our way, it would come before the end of this month.

We are getting a lot of support from the Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women, Cedaw, the European Union, the African Union, and all other countries.

They believe in what South Africa says.

SADC would not get together and not want to know what is South Africa’s opinion on these matters.
As we discuss what happens post the gender-based violence counsel launch and making sure that we thank the President with action UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 219 on the three laws that he has signed in action, we should be saying what we will be doing beyond that.

We should go back and build families; real families.

Not the ones ... Sepedi: ... tša bopapa ba go boya makgoweng ka morago ga dikgwedi tše lesome-pedi.
English: We have an opportunity now to build the real families that are South African and that we would be very proud of.

We should reduce the poverty gap between the richest and the poorest because poverty always bears a feminine face.

It was not a mistake, Mr President.

It was your thoughtfulness to say that all the vulnerable people or groups should be centered around women, young people and people with disabilities so that we do not go all over the place and instead focus our attention on one place.
However, we need to remember that South Africa ...

I would be ashamed if I could just come here and focus on the farm of the President and not focus on what I do as an hon member to rebuild this country that needs me.

We didn’t come here to discuss politics.


We came here to rebuild the country, and we UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 220 need all of us and all our thoughts together to rebuild a South Africa that Ms Charlotte (née Mannya) Maxeke and Madiba fought for and said to ... Sepedi: ... bomaswarathipa ka bogaleng [those who would go to any length in protecting their children], ... English: ... it always seems impossible until it is done.
We are busy working on the district development model as the Department of Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities with multisectoral support response teams supported by civil society organisations so that every municipality has response teams that work with districts, local municipalities and provinces to stop teenage pregnancies.

You don’t want to know how many children between the ages of 9 and 14 fall pregnant from grandfathers and everybody.
So, you people on my left, if we could stop calling each other names, we could build a beautiful nation together and make sure that indeed this redevelopment model responds to a nation we want to be proud of.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 221 Last night or two nights ago when I landed here, I landed with a man from DRC; I won’t tell you his name.

I asked him where he comes from.

He said he comes from the DRC.

I asked him where in the DRC.

I saw his eyes going ...


This is because I wanted to tell him that I was born in a village and that I spent 20 years of my life going around the world.

I know there is no place like home.

This South Africa is going to be a beautiful country in years to come if we all work together and stop calling each other names outside this.

[Applause.]

So, there is no one who can stand up here and say to me, Minister Lindiwe Zulu and Minister Pandor that somewhere is beautiful.
I asked this man: “Do you come from Kinshasa?

Do you know Kivu?” He said no.

I said, “oh, what a beautiful place”.

I told him that one day when he returns to the DRC he must go to Kivu and see how beautiful it is as he flies.

He asked if there was a flight.

I said, “yes, fly in and see how beautiful it is, and that you don’t know it’s beautiful”.
The support we are getting to respond to the national strategic plan, NSP, on gender-based violence which we use in the district development, DDM, models ... We are using technical monitors and data capturers as a pilot in the three provinces of KwaZulu-Natal, Eastern Cape and Gauteng.

We hope UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 222 that before we go into the next summit, we would have had an opportunity to see how this works through the NSP.
Many people ask us how we got to this.

President, thank you so much for the inter-ministerial committee, IMC, that you formed, which I have the honor of chairing.

We have the Minister of Police and the officials; we have the Minister of Social Development; we have the Minister of Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities; and we have the Public Serve in that.

We have all five critical ministries working together and working through our officials to reach out to our districts and to our communities.
Please join in and let’s build a new South Africa that we said we want so that when Nedlac is done with the consultation, we come back here to Parliament and say this is what we want to achieve.

We have reached out to the taxi industry.

We are working with Santaco to train their drivers to respect women.

Can women not only be the problem of the Ministry of Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities and Police?
Can women feel safe and walk safely day and night because they are raised in societies that care - you and me?

Let’s go and raise those kids the way we want them to be raised and not the other way round where we will be coming here bringing newspaper UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 223 clippings.

We don’t live on newspaper clippings.

We live on the reality of building a new South Africa that says “it’s never done until it’s done”.

One day we will get there.


We are not a department that should only be looking at how women and girl-children should not be killed after every three hours.

However, we also want to thank you Mr President and Deputy President on the Women Economic Assembly, Wecona - the participation of women in business.

We are inviting the private sector and saying that the women were not necessarily all there when we had the first round of Wecona in October 2021.

In the next Wecona we are saying let’s bring women.
Let’s engage women and make them part of rebuilding and renewal.

Let’s not leave anyone behind.

Come October 2022, they should all be there, and we should all be working together.

We must move from policy documents to action.

We must all get our hands dirty.

There are too many summits, and there is too little work.

So, let’s get our hands dirty and build our own country that people visit and say, “wow, what a country”.

They actually hear from us.


They actually tell us that they hear from us how bad South Africa is, but that when they arrive here they don’t see this bad South Africa.

You and I have the responsibility to make South Africa look good because 20 years ago I would come back home and feel like I UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 224 wanted to kiss the ground and that I was back home.

This is South Africa.

It’s not like any other country.


This budget vote speech that you presented this morning, President and Deputy President, through the South African National Aids Council, Sanac, and all, is to be supported because we want that when we go to the next summit of gender- based violence and femicide, we should have implemented and engaged all the sectors of our society to come together and work with us and make sure that we build leaving no one behind.

Resilience in the June month is what we are working for.
Our youth needs to be looking for jobs and creating jobs for themselves because we will work with them.

I thank you.

[Interjections.]

[Applause.]

[Time expired.]

Mr S M JAFTA: Chair, this Budget Vote has been the most testing budget to respond to.

The budget itself must be understood against the pretext of the obligations imposed on the Head of State, of government and of national executive.

The President is the loader of service delivery.

He must check his Cabinet.


He has the duty to ensure that the National UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 225 Development Plan, NDP and other governmental plans are implemented.

That means that the buck stops with him.


We note in this regard that the Investment Summit, the Youth Environmental Services, YES project, the social compact touted by the President, the implementation of the District Development Plan, the capacitation of the National Prosecution Authority, NPA and SA Revenue Service, Sars and a host of other achievements, conjures up the leadership strides of the President.
We also wish to touch on the thorny issue doing rounds in the public domain about allegations of indiscretion against the President.

What we know is that the President, upon returning home from a visit abroad, was advised on the matter.

The route that the President preferred in not reporting the crime, may or may not have been informed by concerns of national security and state intelligence.
We also know that what could have led the matter not being reported to the police is the fact that the President was to address the nation just after the incident.

Had this matter been brought up to the public or reported to the police service before or even after the President had delivered his UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 226 state of the nation address, there could have been fear of potential risk to the President’s security and or his surroundings.

We don’t know.
We don’t know.

We can’t speculate.

What we know is that the relevant legislation alleged to have been violated by the President in him not reporting the alleged crime, does not prescribe the timeframe according to which a crime may be reported.

Now that the horse has bolted, the President must open a case of theft, as his security is already compromised and the matter is, in any event, in the public domain.
Until this matter has been processed by the relevant authorities, and the President is found to be on the wrong side of the law, we will not un-oppose this budget.

I thank you.

Ms J HERMANS: Mr President, Deputy President, Ministers, Deputy Ministers, everyone in the House, fellow South Africans, good evening.

South Africa remains one of the most unequal countries in the world by race, class and gender.
Centuries of colonialism and decades of apartheid bequeathed to generations of South Africans’ inequality that manifests itself in shockingly stark differences in household incomes, unequal asset ownership, including both concentrated business ownership and household resources, inequitable access to UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 227 quality education, which still largely is reflected by family wealth and race; and uneven quality of municipal infrastructure.
The roots and problematic systemic features of our productive economy that continue to reproduce the crisis levels of unemployment poverty and inequality have its basis in industrial capitalism which was an externally imposed process by the imperialist West.

In 1994 South Africa was a highly concentrated economy.

At that time the largest five conglomerates controlled entities accounting for 84% of the capitalization of the stock exchange.
Although shifts have been registered since then, our economy remains highly concentrated.

These are systemic features that are rooted in our legacy of what the ANC has characterized as colonialism of a special type.

They are mutually reinforcing and have locked our society in a persisting and problematic path because they are systemic.

Any attempt to transform the high levels of concentration without simultaneously addressing the others is likely to end up in frustration and failure.
The structural transformation of the economy is therefore essential to change UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 228 the systemic features that reproduce the persistent challenges.

In order to achieve this, the ANC government is determined to reindustrialize our economy so that we move up the global productive value chain.
This in turn needs to be supported by massive infrastructure development and the transformation of the education and training system amongst others to align with and support our development and productive economic objectives.

The work of the ANC government on spearheading transformation seeks to create opportunities for all South Africans.

This involves de-concentrating our economy, and opening up exclusive product and service markets to participation by all.
It is about our enduring commitment to support the black industrialists and workers who were previously denied access to the opportunities for economic ownership and participation.
Furthermore, it is about ensuring that the spatial strategy that informs how we build and support the new model of Special Economic Zones and Industrial Parks in secondary towns and rural areas is informed by the principle of expanding industrial activity beyond its concentration in the urban UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 229 metropolitan areas.
Transformation is about building an economy that works where our people live, bringing development to rural provinces and districts.

The revised approach to Spatial Industrial Policy, informed by the District Development Model, will see government supporting projects that create jobs, infrastructure and innovation in districts across the country.
The Economic Reconstruction and Recovery Plan first announced by the President in October 2020, identifies aggressive infrastructure and industrialization as being at the centre of our inclusive growth and transformation agenda.
To achieve this, the ANC-led government has completed and signed master plans with partners in strategic sectors of our economy that will ensure that we achieve the necessary structural transformation for our economy with agro-processing, localization, and state procurement being the key points that will leverage the drive for local manufacturing jobs.
The retail- clothing textile footwear leather master plan for instance, projects to grow employment to 330 000 jobs, and increase local retail sales to about R250 million, expand local procurement from 45% to 65%, while improving skills, technology and competitiveness in the process by 2030.

We UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 230 believe that higher levels of local procurement can boost jobs and production.
As the ANC, we commend the work of the Department of Trade, Industry and Competition in engaging retailers to raise the levels of local purchasing and the speed of reaching localization targets as set out in the master plans.

This includes engaging international retailers on establishing local sourcing.

This is already being done in the Volkswagen plant in Kariega in the Eastern Cape, which is producing the one-millionth Polo vehicles to export.
A new food factory in Kerry Ingredients in KwaZulu-Natal has been launched.

Corobrick opened its production facility and a new Black Industrialist Export Network was launched.

The Industrial Development Corporation, IDC will also be launching the pilot Township Economy Programme to improve access to finance and de-risk Small, Medium and Micro Enterprises, SMMEs through business support measures.
Later in the year, the Tshwane SEZ, aims to complete 11 Automotive component plants in support of Ford’s R16 billion investment, employing about 2 000 workers in the new zone.

SA Steel Mills aims to complete its production plant announced at the Investment Conference.

The sustained growth of South UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 231 Africa is interlinked to the growth of the African continent.
The African Continental Free Trade Area, AfCFTA presents an opportunity to expand Intra African trade, and industrialize the continent which will ease trade and investment flows and shift the composition and direction of foreign direct investment flows throughout the African continent.

Moreover, it will increase market efficiency and reducing the cost of doing business by offering opportunities for economies of scale.

The support for SMMEs in a developing economy like ours cannot be over-emphasized.
It is concerning that about 40% of our SMMEs do not make it past the first year of existence.

We need to create a conducive environment for SMMEs to be sustainable.

It is therefore imperative that the Department of Small Business Development forges ahead with the implementation of the SMMEs and Co-operatives Funding Policy which will ensure the improvement of access to affordable finance for SMMEs and Co-operatives.
Further, it must accelerate the implementation of Township and Rural Entrepreneurship Programme, which is a dedicated programme to provide financial and non-financial support to the township and rural enterprises.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 232 The interventions of the ANC government are putting our economy on a new growth trajectory through the support provided to SMMEs in an effort to reindustrialize our economy working with private-public partnerships.
This is essential for economic transformation, and we believe government is on the right path on this.

We call upon progressive organisations and individuals to support the efforts of the government to transform our economy and society for the betterment of the lives of all South Africans.

I thank you.

[Applause.]


The DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY (Ms P S Kekana): Hon House Chair, His Excellency the President, Matamela Cyril Ramaphosa, Deputy President, David Mabuza, hon Ministers and Deputy Ministers, hon members of this House and fellow South Africans ...

[Interjections.]

... my hon Chief Whip, thank you for reminding me, South Africa reimagined as a prosperous, happy and equality-centric nation is the goal for the three spheres of government and its entities.
This requires a resolute focus on ensuring a capable, ethical, and developmental state.

We implement the electoral mandate of the National Development Plan Vision 2030 through the country's blueprint for the inclusive Economic Reconstruction and Recovery Plan, ERRP and the Medium-Term Strategic UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 233 framework, MTSF.
We are single-minded in unravelling the deeply entrenched and heavily embedded aspects of corruption and mismanagement that plague the state.

It will not happen overnight, unfortunately, but it is happening.

And if there is doubt just this week's events served to clarify our intentions.

The Presidency is not making promises for the sake of, we are here to account for what has already been achieved.
And I want to emphasise our resolute focus, South Africans, and this House can expect more in the immediate future.

In aligning today's debate, we are drawing on the seven priorities of the MTSF and the two critical cross-cutting focus areas, namely women, youth, and persons with disabilities and the Economic Reconstruction and Recovery Plan.
We are aggressively implementing the MTSF towards the 2024 deadline because, in its last review, the National Planning Commission advised the implementation of the NDP will need the country to drastically change course in the remaining period if we are to meet the 2030 goals.
I am sure you will agree that our first non-negotiable in unrevealing the embeddedness of corruption and mismanagement is for the Presidency, through the Department of Planning, Monitoring and Evaluation, to publicly share progress on its monitoring and evaluation findings.

In addition, all UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 234 implementation of the government's agenda is done transparently through the Biennial Reporting System that is presented to the Cabinet.
And these building blocks have already rendered some big wins.

And let me give you one example to illustrate its impact.

In a tight monitoring and evaluation process, it was discovered that a national policy on homelessness does not exist nor is there a department responsible for it.

Yet homelessness is a critical focal point since COVID-19.

So homelessness is now a performance measure in the Biennial Reporting System and its policy implementation will be transparently tracked and monitored biannually.
We are inviting you to ask us for a progress report in a few months because no matter how difficult it is to reduce homelessness through a complex integration of all spheres of government because it is now measured, it is managed.

Institutionalising planning, monitoring and evaluation relies heavily on citizenry responsiveness, especially with regard to the challenges.

Our integrated system approach is outcome-based and uses lessons and gaps to strengthen the policy and implementation interface.
Of course, we are not afraid of getting negative feedback and neither are we afraid of taking difficult issues.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 235 With that, let us unpack the Presidency, through the Department of Planning, Monitoring and Evaluation’s work on some of our country's most critical but stagnant issues.
Let us start with basic education, the Department of Planning, Monitoring and Evaluation is statistically researching the total impact of COVID-19 on education through qualitative interactions with schools and TVET colleges.

Reasons for schools’ vandalism emerged as an unexpected outcome and are being addressed by the Department of Basic Education as we speak.
Another learning has been tabulated, and we will be providing the Department of Basic Education with a framework, is for community partnership in protecting education as an investment.

You will be happy to know that we are tracking and performance managing the progress of replacing inappropriate sanitation in schools under the Sanitation Appropriate for Education initiative.
It was a nonmover but we have partnered with some offices of the premiers to intervene speedily on the ground where challenges exist and institutionalising monitoring and evaluation in partnerships with offices of the premiers has created the necessary shift on this programme.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 236 As we approach the National Health Insurance, NHI, we are critically monitoring health care delivery in the country.
As an example, the Presidency, through the Department of Planning, Monitoring and Evaluation’s assessment of primary health care facilities in the North West province revealed an inadequate availability of medicine which originally resulted from insufficient budgeting for the purchase of drugs and pharmaceutical products.

And in collaboration with the North West Department of Health, the national Department of Health and the National Treasury, this challenge is resolved.
The President announced in the state of the nation address 2022 that much progress is being made in preparing for the introduction of the NHI.

In delivering on this Sona commitment, the Presidency, through the Department of Planning, Monitoring and Evaluation, is conducting monitoring visits to assess the delivery of health care services nationally.

And we have already completed the assessment for five provinces since Sona 2022, a mere 118 days ago.
Another critical but stagnant issue that we are tackling is agriculture and land reform.

We assessed two Farmer Production Support Units for provinces in all the nine provinces, evaluating operational and governance efficiencies, and it emerged that some are not optimally efficient in both UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 237 governance and operations.
We also worked with the Limpopo and KwaZulu-Natal provinces to address the long outstanding land reform projects, including the Bakone, KwaMkhwanazi and Inanda communities, to name a few.

Our integrated approach strategy continued in joint frontline monitoring visits with other Deputy Ministers in the Free State, Limpopo and North West provinces so far.
On government's performance in the health, education and justice sectors, with a special focus on South Africa's shadow pandemic, gender-based violence and femicide.

We assessed the following; access and provision of services to gender-based violence survivors and key departments’ responses such as the SAPS, the National Prosecuting Authority, the Department of Justice and Constitutional Development, the Department of Health and the Department of Social Development spheres.
The implementation and roll-out of the National Vaccination Programme and also evaluation of the reopening of schools after COVID-19.

the government works within the communities and accounts to our people using the District Development Model, and this approach removes silos and revealed service delivery challenges immediately, but also ensures co-ordinated outcomes and the required improvements.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 238 The monitoring and evaluation of the Bus Rapid Transport, BRT, system took a long time to complete because we needed to ensure that the results were indisputable.

And to this end, we are concerned about the lack of progress in the BRT in Rustenburg where there are no buses on the road after an expenditure of R3,3 billion.
The Presidency’s director-general is working with the national Department of Transport and the municipality to ensure that we get those buses on the road now.

Thank you very much.

[Applause.]

Mr W M MADISHA: Hon Chair, hello, what happened in this House when the sitting began was extremely unfortunate.

It, however, must be understood that it is a consequence of many government failures over the past 28 years.
All the purported successes you have cited in your presentation, Mr President, are in fact not true.

You said the economy is showing positive signs of improvement.

You said it is your priority to improve the lives of all South Africans.

You said people must come first.

You promised better basic services.

All these are what you have presented over the five years of your Presidency but in fact I must emphasise the opposite has been the case.
That is why today as we stand here, seven out of every 10 people are not employed.

Here we talk of millions of people.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 239 Poverty, the absence of water, food and toilets, keeps on growing daily.

Theft and corruption by those who are called ANC deployees are true and growing, sir.
In respect of the latter, permit me to repeat what I have raised with you many times, five times actually, in a Parliament here as we spoke, this I repeat because instead of seeing any improvement from you, the opposite is the case.

I have requested that you should, Mr President, reduce the crowd of Ministers and Deputy Ministers because they just feel up the stadium, take home millions of money, get given many expensive cars and houses, tens and tens of bodyguards.
That is the money they get and that money should create jobs and improve the lives of South Africans.

There are of course conscientious Ministers, and they are few I must say and this I want to believe that you know, Mr President.

Now, on the Zondo Commission and your house, Cope says, people who must investigate and implement the results must be independent.
The Zondo Commission, although we are still waiting for the fourth report, cites many leaders of your party as the main persons who stole and even killed other human beings.

On the matter of money that disappeared on your farm, again, as the President, ensure that independent persons are given space to do the investigations, not the SAPS, not the UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 240 intelligence department because there cannot be any true or empirical evidence.
Therefore, what needs to be done, Mr President is you to find proper people because you are the Commander-in-Chief, and as the Commander-in-Chief, these people from the SAPS, the people from intelligence will simply listen to you and your name shall never be cleared.

Thank you very much.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): I remember the Deputy Speaker saying something to Mr Madisha.

[Interjections.]
[Interjections.]

I was just saying I remember the Deputy Speaker saying something to Mr Madisha wanting to find out ... the state but thank you very much, Mr Madisha.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

You have exceeded your time by 40 seconds.

Hon Minister?

The MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY: Hon Chair, I have a point of order.

I thought maybe, hon Madisha, must be too lonely to think that we have been here alone for five years.

He is alone.

He needs to be assisted.


The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): Thank you, hon Gungubele, that is not a point of order.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 241 The DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY (Ms R T Siweya): Thank you, House Chair ...

[Inaudible.]
[Inaudible.]

... speaking in this case it is yourself, House Chair; His Excellency, President of the Republic of South Africa, Mr Cyril Matamela Ramaphosa; His Excellency, the Deputy President, David Mabuza; Ministers and Deputy Ministers; hon members of the House; members of the media and fellow South Africans.

Just so we start, we support this Budget Vote 1.

If I can go into the content, you know that it becomes worrying all of us and we know that ants in their own nature they are very resilient.
It becomes worrying when you find ants which use the same tactic to want to reach a particular goal.

If you have ants in your house, if you want to deal with them, it is not easy, it will take you some time.

Now, when you come to this House and you find ants, it becomes easy to address them.

You start to ask yourself what kind of ants are these ones?

And we only hope that our electorates are watching.
Maybe the ants that we have in this House have ran out of plans, or they don’t know what to do or they do not want to work and they opt to always create an excuse to walk away, while the electorate is expecting them to come and do what they voted for them to do.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 242 We truly hope South Africans will not buy their ...

[Inaudible.]

... That as it may be, we are going to continue to do what our people who have placed us here expect us to do.
That also, President, must not deter you.

You must continue to do your work.

You have the support of this House and South Africans are behind you.

What we are happy about is that you have not said you do not want to come and explain yourself.

Our history has taught us that since time in memorial, young people have always risen in the most difficult periods and fostered solutions to keep their vision for a nonsexist, nonracial and a prosperous South Africa.
At least they have done so that we can be alive.

The generation of Anton Lembede, Nelson Mandela and Oliver Tambo injected the much needed energy and dynamism in the struggle for liberation.

This month we honor the youth of 1976, for gallantly confronting the previous regime and demand the abolition of Africans as a medium of instruction and provision of quality education for the marginalised.
In recent times, young people sort to address the challenges faced by students as they pursue higher education and pushed for free education.

In various sectors of our society we are seeing a number of capable young people rising as trail blazers.

We are UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 243 inspired by these young people, their energy and we want to see it replicate in corners of our country.

Young people cannot afford to rest and loose hope.


The youth must seize the moment to immense themselves in stabilising our country amidst the COVID-19 pandemic.

They should design innovative ideas that will help drive the much needed economic growth and must participate in the overall developmental objectives to reduce poverty, unemployment and inequality.

COVID-19, has dealt a severe blow in our economy.

Many people’s lives and livelihoods have been affected.
The floods and in some instances drought, have worsened the situation.

The full participation of women in the economy continues to be compromised by the escalating levels of gender-based violence and femicide.

Some of our youth are deprived of the opportunity to participate in the economic activities of the country because of substance abuse and alcohol.

This youth month must serve as a period of awakening for young people in our country the hour of the youth.
The hour of youth activism and participation in addressing these challenges is now.

Government remains determined to change the trajectory and provide hope for all South Africans especially to the youth UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 244 who are hardest hit by these challenges.

Speaker, today the President has once again thoroughly and clearly outlined government strategy towards the recovery and reconstruction progress.
We can see the many efforts that are being implemented in government and the private sector to give impetus to our quest for economic growth and job creation to overcome the COVID-19 pandemic, to deal with gender-based violence and femicide, and to confront corruption in all its manifestations.

The signs of stabilisation and recovery are beginning to show.

Our country registered a slight drop in unemployment from 35,3% in the fourth quarter of 2021 to 34,5% in the first quarter of 2022.
It is also encouraging that for the second quarter in a row the expanded unemployment rate has declined.

Data from Statistics SA shows that an estimated 370 000 jobs were gained between the fourth quarter of 2021 and the first quarter of 2022.

The biggest job gains were recorded in community and social services and also manufacturing and trade.
The Presidential Employment Stimulus programmes continues to play a crucial role in supporting the implementation of the of the country’s Economic Reconstruction and Recovery Plan.

Since its launch in October 2020, the first two phases of the UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 245 Presidential Employment Stimulus programmes has supported over 850 000 communities.
Over 300 000 of these opportunities come from placing young people as assistants in schools across the country through their basic education employment initiative.

The employment stimulus ...

[Interjections.]

... is supporting the implementation of the Presidential Youth Employment Initiative which aims to provide support and expand opportunities for young people who are unemployed.
while only moderate this game shows that our economy remains robust and that intervention such as the Economic Reconstruction and Recovery Plan and Operation Vulindlela are working.

We encourage young people to hid the call by brand South Africa to play a part in the development of the country and promotion of the national brand.

Brand South Africa has initiated a number of programs to market the country and contribute in attracting investment for our economic growth.
Speaker, - I am sorry about that - you will also notice that through the Media Development and Diversity Agency, MDDA, we have been able in the previous financial year to fund a number of various projects and we are continuing to commit to this UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 246 House but in this current financial year we are going to be finding more than 30 community projects across the province.
This has shown us that indeed, when we empower our community media sector we are building a conscious citizenship, responsible citizens who are empowering and building communities which will have information at their hands so that they can work towards building themselves.

We should do this with the highest speed which we have.
As we conclude, we want to encourage young people to use these opportunities to participate in the economy, use new innovative ideas assist government in the edge of empowering themselves so that they can respond in the call to assist in building the much needed jobs so that we can have a better South Africa.

Xitsonga: Inkomu.
Xitsonga: Inkomu.

IsiXhosa: Mnu M NYHONTSO: Sihlalo nawe Mongameli, uSobukwe uthi ... English: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 247 ... a true leadership demands complete subjugation of self, honesty, integrity, abruptness of character, courage, fearlessness and above all a consuming love for one’s people.

IsiXhosa: Ukuba bendishumayela ke Mongameli bendiza kuthi masihlale kulaa ndawo ithi ... English: ... a consuming love for our people.
While we are discussing ... IsiXhosa: ... iimali eziphantsi kweebhedi nasemiqalweni ... English: ... our people are dying of hunger.

Our people are landless, our people are still in jail and they do not have shelter on top of their heads.

Our veterans are dying and Comrade Deputy President, every weekend, we are burying a veteran and all of them we bury them as paupers.

Even the coming weekend we will burying a veteran in Cala and the veterans are denied.
It is very difficult Major General Masualle to confirm PAC veterans because he was never a PAC and he is denying them all.

Above UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 248 all Mama Mayosi, a PAC cadre who even gave birth in prison has just been denied.

Tata Feni a PAC cadre who spent 12 years on Robben Island has been denied.

I am just giving you two examples Comrade Deputy President but the list is endless.

Our roads are a shame.


The Eastern Cape MEC ... IsiXhosa: ... ugrumbe indlela phaya phakathi kweGcuwa nakuCentane.

Ndiyaqala ukuyibona mna indlela yetha ijikwa ibe yindlela yomhlaba.

Kunzima ke phaya iimoto ziyatshayisana kuba indlela ilinyiwe ... English: ... and the contractor has since left the scene.

It is a shame ... IsiXhosa: ... into eyenzeka eMpuma Koloni kwaye Mongameli sisengxakini kuba ukuhanjiswa kweenkonzo akwenzeki kwiindawo esihlala kuzo, ezilalini.
English: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 249 Where is the consuming love for our people?

Azania deserves better.

Thank you.

Mr M G E HENDRICKS: Hon House chairperson, I agree with Minister Lamola that to serve as President and Deputy President one must not be a pensioner.

To support him Al Jama- ah has organised 6 June 16th events to bring real freedom for the youth and that is to become President and Deputy President without having to be pensioners.
The first one we threw our weight behind the Ugu District with 200 learners, the next one is in Paarl.

Does the Freedom Party Plus hate the PAC because the Afrikaans Taal Museum says nothing about Poqo of Paarl?

We do not hate Afrikaans.

Afrikaans is a Malayu language captured by the whites.

The third youth programme is in Groutville to honour Chief Albert Luthuli.

Youth are being taught to manufacture peanut butter.
Peanut butter grows on the banks of the Umvubi River, and the Luthuli family has given extra land.

Albert Luthuli peanut butter is going to hit the market.

We also have sports tournaments in BushbuckRidge, Mtubatuba marking the Netball World Cup in July, but no support from the Minister of Sport so far.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 250 I am glad the Deputy President informed us that the Presidency is monitoring municipalities.
Is the Presidency aware that the corrupt ANC cabal has gone against the ANC mayor who wants to get rid of the municipal manager in Harding in KwaZulu-Natal because of his corruption?

Harding is also in the Ugu District Municipality.

Al Jama-ah’s Deputy Mayor Sheikh Saeed supported this progressive mayor, a leader in the ANC revival movement and guess what?

They removed our Deputy Mayor and the DA Speaker despite not having the numbers.
The DA must be surprised that Al Jama-ah acknowledges clean governance by their Speaker.

The Al Jama-ah deputy mayor was removed despite an order by Jeff Radebe and premier of KwaZulu-Natal not to touch the Al Jama-ah Deputy Mayor.

In Harding ANC rogue units are fighting the ANC revival movement with the complicity of the KwaZulu-Natal MEC.

Deputy President do not tell us you are monitoring municipalities, and this happens.
If you cannot be on top of the municipalities, how can you be on top of matters in the whole country?

It looks like you do not support the revival taking place in the ANC otherwise you will not have allowed your own revival Mayor to be undermined by corrupt ANC councillors in Harding.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 251 Al Jama-ah looks forward to a Presidential Imbizo on the Cape Flats so His Excellency can understand the oppression, poverty and inequality residents suffer often worse than what they suffered during the harshest days of apartheid.

All government departments must unleash government programmes so that the Cape Flats can taste freedom.
Also Deputy President, please take a keen interest to the kidnapping of Shireen Essop and the firing of the principal of Wesley Neumann of Heathfield High School.

The learners say it is these Principals that they wish for.

President, can you sleep at night when women are out in captivity.

We need a Presidential Order that the Defence Force ... [Time expired.]
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF HIGHER EDUCATION, SCIENCE AND INNOVATION: House Chairperson, hon President, Deputy President, “I come to bury Caesar and not to praise him” and these are the words that we had throughout the day from the tongues that came to spit vice from the side of the opposition.

These words were not borrowed with the same intention that bellowed from the chest of Shakespeare’s Mark Anthony, whose friend’s motionless body was lying in front of the Capitol.
They were uttered with malice as the real debate UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 252 this House was supposed to have, about the real concerns and worries of our people, took a backbench.
Budget Vote 1 has ostensibly, hon President, become a trial of yourself and reminded me of the words of the American play wright Shellen Lubin’s prosaic prophesy that: This is the week, the primetime hearings on insurrection and sedition, our last chance to make known and believed the ugly truth of our last President, the nefarious doings of his cohorts, the insanity we all witnessed and went through, the coup we just barely avoided.

It’s now or never.

The jury is out, the jury of public opinion.


The jury is us.” The jury is sitting this side of the House.

Yes, it was Arthur Fraser, hon President, who went to a police to report various complaints against yourself.

But in a normal cause and sequence of jurisprudence, the police are supposed to investigate the case and satisfy themselves that a prosecution is possible, and the letter of the law be followed.
But this afternoon, we have witnessed members of this legislature, sworn to protect and uphold the Constitution of UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 253 the country, tear it apart and assume the role of police, prosecutor and judge, ...

[Applause.]

all but to satisfy their lust for power, higher office and vengeance.
All that we’ve heard this afternoon, are some opposition parties hellbent to completely ignore what this Budget Vote debate is about: How this Presidency will use the allocated resources to ensure that we meet the needs, interest and aspirations of the people?
Doubt has been created through the court of public opinion that irrespective of every right inked and guaranteed by our Constitution and this Parliament, it is members of this very House who are willing to woo the people and bay for the blood of the President.

The court of public opinion, hon President, has been mobilised to hammer the untruth that your intention is all but evasiveness.
That your mission is to poison the chalice of truth with fabrications that will but help you zigzag your way out of jail, even when you have committed yourself to co-operate with law enforcement authorities and laid bare your affairs for the public to scrutinise.
The events of today, hon House Chair, reminded me of the words of Euripides, who warned against men with honeyed tongues and evil minds, whose intentions is not to advance the will of the UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 254 people, but to undermine it and in that way bring to the knees its very foundation which in this case our constitutional democracy.

We should never ever be bullied by these noises that we’ve heard in this House.
We should never succumb to those who have robbed our public judicial system of its role of administering justice.

We’ve heard many here shouts that the President should step down because of the allegations that have been leveled against him, and I’m yet to hear even from the EFF or any of the other political parties, any of their members who’s had allegations against them being asked to step aside.
But there is the real reason why the Opposition wants to use every opportunity here in Parliament as a platform for a motion of no confidence in the President.

They don’t want us to tell South Africans that this Presidency, and this government, were lauded internationally as having handled, for instance, the COVID-19 pandemic much better than many others amongst its peers.

[Applause.]
[Applause.]

Not only have we witnessed the vaccination of many adults, 40% in the overall, but we have also built capabilities to produce our own vaccines beyond dealing with COVID-19.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 255 We have seen through your leadership and in the Presidency the creation of a solidarity fund, which mobilised R3,4 billion from 300 000 South Africans and close to 3000 companies, with 400 people being committed to do volunteer work with solidarity fund; and the solidarity fund having supported our national health response with the vaccination of the national health workers and also the provision of the personal protection equipment.
[Applause.]

These are facts, these are numbers which shows that there is action that is being taken.

Also the trust between the people and its government under COVID-19 lockdown drastically increased because at every step of the way, ...

[Interjections.]

the people were taken along, lives were saved and as far as practically possible livelihoods and incomes were spared.

Health institutions were responsive and public awareness was strengthened.
The World Health Organisation, together with many other continental and global institutions lauded ours as a model to be followed.

The gradual nature within which academic institutions, factories, government services and other social institutions were reopened helped us mitigate against a potentially astronomical loss of lives as we have seen elsewhere in the world.
Now, the debate which we had this afternoon at the opening of this session was equally important for the UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 256 opposition, because they do not want us to tell South Africans about the expanding student funding which has been part of a project that this sixth administration has been spearheading.

An amount of R49 billion has now gone to fund students, which is 70% of the total population of students in universities and in TVET colleges.
[Applause.]

There’s been a challenge around the funding of postgraduate students and resources from the National Skills Fund has been allocated to this extent, which includes R886 billion.

Setas have also mobilised resources in support of the so-called missing middle.

The Ministerial Task Team by your instruction, President, is concluding its work.
They will be announcing a comprehensive student funding model, which will see the end of the so-called missing middle, but also the funding of the postgraduate students.

These are the things that the Opposition does not want us to hear and to speak about.

Hon Madisha, spoke about how you misled this House when you spoke about us making progress regarding the economy.

We’ve seen in the last quarter ... the number in terms of unemployment decreasing by 0,8%.
Yes, to those who sleep with warm bellies, hon Madisha ... UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 257 Sepedi: ... bo mohlomphegi Madisha bao ba yago mepeteng ka dimpa tše di fišago gape ba na le ... English: ... roof on top of his head - this may not be important, but for the millions of South Africans who have no jobs, this is a huge progress for them that needs to be registered.
All of these did not merely happen because a magic wand was waved, to make the economy work, but because the foundation of a democratic and capable state is grinding towards progress.

Through this Budget Vote, President, we are ensuring that the Presidency can make true of its undertakings made through the economic recovery plan.

We’ve already seen some progress, with the gross domestic product, GDP, figures showing growth of 1,9%, and even better, as it relates to manufacturing which is close to 5%.
Some of the hon members have spoken about some of the projects which were led by the President, including Gqeberha and eThekwini in the auto industry and a whole range of Special Economic Zones whose intentions are to reinforce the commitment you’ve made in terms of the economic recovery plan.
These are not slogans, these are not mere promises, UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 258 these are actions inspired by the vision and a work of a Presidency that is committed to make this country thrive.

By hammering on their blood thirst, the Opposition parties are trying to dupe the people to ignore the launch, for instance, as I said, of some of the projects in Toyota and Isuzu which you have led, President.
If you are trapped in this narrative of the Opposition, that of using this House as a continuation of their trial of the President through a court of public opinion, then we will also ignore the fact that the President has been on the ground in the floods that we experienced in the Eastern Cape and KZN, where more lives could have been lost, where more property could have been destroyed had it not been the decisive action and also a vision in averting all of those things.
Also by placing the President on trial, the Opposition parties want us to skirt around the truth that our postschool education and training system is expanding, with two new universities in the pipeline, and more than a million students going to universities, half a million going to our TVET colleges and more attending our community colleges and Seta training programme.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 259 This administration has become the frontline government of the people, placing their interest first, affirming its commitment towards fighting corruption, mobilising the people as the heart and soul of their own liberation, placing service delivery at the doorstep of citizens, and have defied all odds that predicted that by now, we will have experienced doom and gloom.
No citizen should occupy the highest office if they are found guilty of any particular crime.

However, I think the worst crime of them all is to assume that anybody whom a complaint is laid against should therefore be found guilty just because someone can shout the loudest more than anybody else, just because someone can tweet more than anybody else, as we have already seen.

Some of them mobilising on tweeter and everywhere else that they want to see the President gone.
Members from this side of the bench may have woken up this morning hon President from their houses, tying their fancy ties and buttoning their fancy overalls, thinking that their nefarious mission here today would be to march you from the Union Buildings to the nearest Correctional Service.
However, the people who have elected this government will have none of it because they know that this Constitution that you have been UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 260 part of its driving should be defended whether one is accused ... you know of any particular crime or not.

I think that is the fundamental principle that we’re here to emphasise.
Those who were hoping to end this day, by seeing some of us from this side of the House walking in shame and having isolated the President, you have come to the wrong party.

Thank you very much for listening.


IsiZulu: Mnu Z N MBHELE: Ngiyabonga Sihlalo ngaphambili, ... English: ... this debate is taking place exactly one week before the commemoration of Youth Day, but instead of us finding ourselves as a country in a situation where we should be celebrating the dreams of our young people coming true, we are tragically faced with a despairing present and a gloomy future that far too many young people are confronting.
It is the majority of our youth who are suffering, it is the majority of our youth who are excluded, and it is they who need a voice in this debate – with their issues, needs and concerns sitting front and centre – because the reality that they and their families are facing is that of stagnant economic growth, job creation in reverse gear, and shrinking opportunities, UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 261 shrinking wallets, and shrinking stomachs.
As the youth would say, “ku-tense, ku-tricky, ku-wow!” Mr President, during the COVID lockdown period, it became common lingo to refer to your live evening addresses as family meetings, implying that you are the father of the nation, briefing us on the plans and the state of affairs in the home.
Well, if you are indeed the father of the nation, then in the bigger scheme, regrettably the phrase that comes to mind is ‘deadbeat dad’, because the children of the family are hungry, the children of the family are malnourished, and the children of the family are not getting the quality education they need to build a brighter future.
As the youth would say, ... IsiXhosa: ... kushushu, kushubile, ku-bad!” English: Chairperson, one of the most curious phenomena I’ve observed in my eight years in Parliament is what I can only call the political schizophrenia of the ANC, which we also saw on display today from every single majority party speaker.
Now schizophrenia is defined as a breakdown between thoughts, emotion and behaviour leading to faulty perception, UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 262 inappropriate actions and feelings and withdrawal from reality into fantasy and delusion.

[Interjections.]

The manner in which this political schizophrenia of the ANC manifests is twofold.
Firstly, in their collective mind it separates our economic, social and governance challenges from the facts that the ANC, as the governing party usually over several terms since 1994 in all spheres of government in most of this country, has the urgency, the power and the means to address those challenges - be it poverty, unemployment or corruption.

The ANC will speak about these issues as existing somewhere out there and you know ... IsiZulu: ... Maye babo!

English: Gosh darn it!


How we do lament these things, but what are you going to do, you know?

It’s simply don’t good enough.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): Order, order hon members!

Please, don’t drown the speaker.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 263 Mr Z N MBHELE: The second manifestation of the schizophrenia is that it confuses intention for action, optimism and enthusiasm for good policy and political will.

Ms N T MKHATSHWA: How Chairperson ...


The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): Hon Mbhele, you can take your seat.

What’s your point of order, hon member?

Ms N T MKHATSHWA: Thank you very much, House Chair.

I don’t know if the hon member is willing to take a question.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): Hon Mbhele, hon members, ... hon McGluwa I still have something like 20 minutes as a Chairperson, can you just hold on.

Hon Mbhele, are you taking a question?


Mr Z N MBHELE: Hon Chairperson, no, thank you, I’m on a very good role.

And the schizophrenia seems to truly believe that through a declaration of sentiments, the pronouncement of plans and just sheer determination and force of will, government performance will magically improve and results will be achieved through a spontaneous alignment of the stars.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 264 Ms N T MKHATSHWA: House Chairperson, I would like now to stand on the point of order and the point of order speaks to unparliamentary language on the basis of referring to the ANC as having political schizophrenic behaviour.

House Chairperson ...

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): Hon member, I don’t think that’s parliamentary.

Continue, hon Mbhele.

Hon Mbhele, will you continue because it’s not unparliamentary.
It’s not directed to a person but to a party.

The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Sorry, House Chair, I just had to find a microphone that works.

House Chairperson, I agree with your ruling completely and I understand the hon member that can’t help, but want to talk to the hon Mbhele because he’s very attractive but they can have that conversation outside later ...

[Interjections.]

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D NTOMBELA): Hon Mazzone, still does not make it a point of order.
Mr Z N MBHELE: Thank you Chairperson, now on the score I must give props to the Chief Whip of the Majority Party, the hon UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 265 Majodina, who treated us to her standard fulsome expression which always says ... IsiZulu: ... ngizomemeza kwenzeke.

English: Now we noted Mr President, that you’ve moved away from making promises – anyone remember the grand promise of the smart new city or that load shedding would be a thing of the past by 2017.
So you moved from that and shifted rather to giving what might be called - and in fact, the previous ANC speaker said so as well status update progress reports.

Just because you say something is happening, that doesn’t mean it actually is happening, for example the building of a capable state.

It’s the intention, you wish for it to happen.

You say it’s happening, but the reality out here says opposites.
This is so because as I’ve said in previous debates, the problem is that the ANC governs like someone driving a car with the accelerator pressed down flat, but the handbrake pulled up and all the while trying to change gears without using the clutch.

So, to quote you, Mr President “yes, the people want better services, they want jobs and they want safety and security.” But all that has been happening and is happening.
We’re UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 266 revving the engine, we’re spinning wheels in one spot and grinding and burning a gearbox.

IsiZulu: ... kodwa asiyi ndawo.

English: Mr Deputy President, we would love to rise above political differences, as you called for us to do and to come together and solve our problems.
But it doesn’t help such a cause if we are accused by the ANC, at every turn of political point scoring when we propose alternative solutions or when our Private Members Bill are shot down before they can leave the starting blocks without grounds or merits.
Clearly, the hon Mahlaule wasn’t listening properly to the hon Steenhuisen’s speech, which clearly explained why this cash- in-transit debacle has direct implications on his public office bearing position, as state President from questions on compliance with financial laws to the alleged involvement of the Presidential VIP protection services.

However, I will be happy to forward him a copy of the speech afterwards.

He can review it and get clear on what the Leader of the Opposition was saying.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 267 The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): Order, hon members!

The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Chairperson, I rise on a point of order.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): I have not yet recognised you, Chief Whip.

I did not recognise you.

The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: I apologise.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): What’s your point of order?
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Chair, I rise on Order 64 the member is being drowned out to the point that he can’t be heard on the virtual platform or inside this House.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): I have already ordered them to be quiet.

I have already ordered them.

The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: But Sir, they are not listening to you.

It could be so ...

[Interjections.]


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 268 The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): I have already ordered them to be quiet.

The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: I will listen to you, ...

[Inaudible.].

Mr X NQOLA: We can hear him, hon House Chair.

You must not be accused.

IsiZulu: USIHLALO WENDLU (Mnu M L D Ntombela): Qhubeka bab’ uMbhele.
Mnu Z N MBHELE: Ngiyabonga Sihlalo, ... English: Mr President, you said a lot of things in your speech about what’s being done, what’s in the pipeline, what’s almost in the bag and, and, and.

Unfortunately, most of it is nothing new.

The issues and solutions you touched on are the very ones that my colleagues and I have been speaking about and the solutions the DA has been calling for and putting on the table for over 20 plus years.
I always say that the first few years as an MP are very exciting and stimulating, as you find your feet and you come to grips with the learning curve of UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 269 parliamentary routine.

But after a few cycles on the track, it all starts to feel a bit like that movie Groundhog Day and what we heard from the President and the ANC speakers today was the same old routine of rhetorical lather, rinse and repeat.

[Laughter.]
[Laughter.]

We’ve seen this movie before and it’s like going to an audition and you know it’s supposed to be a different production, but the scripts given to rehearse with just seems very, very familiar.

The truth is this Presidency is shackled and hamstrung in its effectiveness because the ANC in government is run on cadre deployment, and its animating lifeblood is patronage and political horse-trading.
Under such conditions, there is no fitness-for-purpose, no accountability, and no drive for achievement, let alone excellence.

Instead, there is loyalty- for-reward, impunity for failure, and bumbling mediocrity at best, or catastrophic incompetence at worst.

On the one hand, we bankroll one of the largest Cabinets in the world, which amounts to a cumbersome basket of patronage for accommodating and balancing ANC factions and party power- players.
On the other hand, we are seeing this inflation of a super-Presidency that runs parallel to and duplicates functions and initiatives that should be run through Cabinet UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 270 and the Ministers appointed to it, for example the team appointed in the Presidency to cut red tape across government, when this is a crosscutting concern impacting on almost all Ministers and departments.
Mr President, unfortunately the time and the clock is ticking down on the ANC.

The country knows it, we know it and I think on some level you know it.

[Laughter.]

So as the kids say, as the youth say IsiZulu: Makuzovutha, makuvuthe kanye kuvuthe bhe!

The MINISTER OF JUSTICE AND CORRECTIONAL SERVICES: Hon House Chairperson, to the hon Mbhele from the DA, you have forgotten to add that the schizophrenia also includes someone who wishfully shuts their eyes not to see the truth before them.
The reality that President has delivered here today, the things that are happening in our country, all of those are facts and reality.

It is not things that are imagined nor perceived; they are real.

Indeed, hypocrites get offended by the truth.


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 271 Mr President, you were correct when you said, in the state of the nation address, None of our efforts to revive our economy will succeed if we do not tackle the scourge of corruption once and for all.

This is a defining moment for our democracy, it is a defining moment of our renewal project.

Our success to revive the economy is dependent on our success in the fight against corruption.
The theatrics we have seen today of narrow party politics is not what the country needs right now.

The country is in distress due to the high level of unemployment, the high cost of living, and high petrol prices due to the war in Ukraine.

A sitting like this should be a festival of ideas amongst all political parties on how to put the country on an economic growth trajectory, create employment and deal with the high level of crime.
This is precisely why South Africans have voted for us to be in the House; to solve societal challenges.

Sadly, opposition parties are not focused on the nation's strategic goals on their input, but on their obsession to remove the ANC from power, as hon Mbhele has just said.

The elections will come in 2024 and you will campaign.

A fair process will be allowed for everyone to contest the elections.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 272 The President has already called for a social compact amongst all partners in our country to achieve economic growth and create employment.

As a country we must focus on the strategic national objective, which is the realisation of the political and socio-economic ideals enshrined in the Constitution.
Across the globe governments involved in reform face resistance and sometimes outright rebellion by those who do not want the wrong things of the past to be corrected; they want to continue to act with impunity.

What we are dealing with as the collective leadership of government was long observed by Deng Xiaoping in China when he started to crack on corruption.

He observed it as modern-day adventurism.


He said the following about this phenomenon: What we are dealing with as the collective leadership of the party is a new form of adventurism, where party members and leaders believe that they can try to overthrow the State or steal from the State with absolute impunity.

They don’t want to face consequences for their wrongdoing.

When they are caught, they try to discredit the state institutions and even try to turn the party against the state.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 273 The work of the Sixth Administration, as led by President Ramaphosa, has led us to this phenomenon.

Joel Netshitendze famously said the beneficiaries of state capture will not go down without a fight.

I dare say they will not succeed.

Our institutions have proven over time that they are resilient.
The Sixth Administration, as led by the President, has allowed the law enforcement agencies to do their work without any fear, favour or prejudice.

They are attending to matters irrespective of any political affiliation, the facts and the law guide them.

The Special Investigating Unit, SIU, is clawing back on malfeasance and maladministration.

The HAWKS and the Independent Directorate, ID, are at work.

The era of impunity is gone, and the rule of law is reigning supreme.
This debate should have been about this administration delivering on the pronouncements made by President at the state of the nation address and Vote 1: The Presidency.

During the state of the nation address, the President was criticised for vacancies in the security cluster.

These positions have been filled and the goal post is shifted.

The President is focused on building capable state and institutions.
He has appointed the ID head, head of the South UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 274 African Police Services, Saps, the head of the defence force and the head of State Security.

In this Sixth Administration, prosecutions on matters which relate to the theft or tampering with essential infrastructures, like copper cables, have been prioritised.

A number of 172 cases were prosecuted, and 251 accused were convicted.
These are issues that should occupy public discourse as they affect the well-functioning of rail, electricity and telecommunications infrastructure.

We must not lose sight of the fact that we are not dealing with a situation where money was stolen from the fiscus, this money was stolen from the farm of the President, he is a victim of crime.

The President has committed to the nation that he will co-operate with the investigation.
He is not evading nor interfering with the work of law enforcement agencies.

He has no history of such interference.

The President also has a right to be treated fairly by the system, his side of the story must be heard, the basic principle of ... Latin: Audi alteram partem ... English: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 275 ... must also be applicable to him.
When the constitution says everyone is equal before the law, it also means a president must also be treated fairly like any other South African citizen.

We must allow the due process of the law to take its course.

True to their hypocrisy, people who are charged and are currently attending trials in the courts of the Republic are lecturing us about stepping aside.

They cannot explain what is the position of their party when a member is criminally charged and called upon to present a plea in court.
The very same individuals who stand as accused in a court of law for recklessly firing a firearm publicly, want to tell us that this President is a danger to society.

The country should be careful of people who live by double standards.

Other than mastering the art of cheering and clapping hands for their supreme leader, the ground forces of the EFF are sticking to their role of being true ground forces.

They must also learn to internalise democracy and hold their own accountable.
In the final analysis, South Africans are not interested in a spectacle; rather they are interested in state institutions that work.

From law enforcement agencies, municipalities, to UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 276 state owned enterprises, people want to see value for their taxes.

That is what we collectively owe society as this House.

The Investigative Directorate has brought seminal corruption cases within a period of three months before the courts.
We welcome the arrests of the two Gupta brothers by authorities in the UAE.

As the South African government we will continue to co-operate with our UAE counterparts to ensure that the fugitives from justice are brought to book; they will account in our courts.

We know that extradition by its nature can be a protracted legal process but we want to assure South Africans that the Guptas will definitely return to our shores to face trial.
Same goes with Mr Chipiliro Gama, well known by the name Sheperd Bushiri, whose matter will soon be heard in the courts of Malawi.

Unlike our friends on the extreme left and right, the EFF and the DA, the President has not shied away from accountability even in his own party, the ANC.

The President has volunteered to present himself before the Integrity Committee of the ANC.

In the ANC, stepping aside is an outcome of a due process.
If you do not have a plausible explanation and then are charged, you must step aside voluntarily or you get suspended.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 277 Despite several allegations against the supreme leader of the EFF in the public domain, the supreme leader has never presented himself to any structure of the EFF as he is the alfa and omega of the cult.
On the allegations of their involvement in the VBS heist, they claimed the allegations were fabricated intended to destroy the party.

No one in their party stepped aside.

Today, when President Ramaphosa says he will co-operate with the investigation of the police, he is called to step aside.

The police are prescribed by law to be the institution competent to investigate any crime.
The President understands that given his position, he should be beyond reproach, hence he has made this commitment and has taken the nation to his confidence on the matter.
When the DA was confronted with mass resignations of its councillors as a result of allegations of racism at the City of Cape Town, this is what hon Mazzone said: The timing of the resignations seems to have been an attempt to detract from the allegations contained in the Bowman Gilfillan reports, which implicate De Lille in covering up alleged corruption.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 278 To date, no one has been held accountable for racism nor for corruption in the Democratic Alliance.

This ANC takes action, it works and even in the country, we ensure that the Constitution of the country is implemented.

There is no dark or black hand that interferes with processes.

Again, why would the DA not want to afford the same rights to the President to allow due processes when it allows the same to their own members?
Whatever our political affiliation or ideological orientation, we dare not lose sight of the strategic objectives as a country to achieve the political and socio economic objectives as enshrined in the constitution.

Today, as I stand before the nation, I say we dare not fail.

What the President has said about the statistics in the economy, and what hon Manamela also said, it is not rhetoric, hon Mbhele; it is reality.

We are back to the pre-COVID-19 pandemic state of our economy.
It is not rhetoric to speak about free education in our education; it is reality, it is there.

You can go to any university and you will see it.

The work to deal with the missing middle is also not rhetoric but a reality that the ANC-led government continues to put the people of this country first.

It is also not rhetoric that in the last quarter, the performance in terms of employment has improved.

It is a Statistics SA report and not rhetoric.


It is UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 279 factual and real.

It is also not rhetoric that this government is committed to fight crime.

There are a number of people that have been found guilty in our courts of law for committing various natures of crime.

It is also not rhetoric that the ANC-led government remains committed to fight and ensure that in this country everyone can find and live a better life.
It is a collective responsibility of all of us as South Africans to come to the party.

The President has called for a social compact and all South Africans to put their hands together.

Leave narrow political party rhetoric and come to the party and let us resolve the social challenges and the socio-economic challenges of our people.

But I know that the Democratic Alliance will not come to the party because their lifetime president still yearns for the past.
She usually and always reminds them of how it was nice under apartheid, and how it has always been good.

Hence, they will not want to come to the party to march forward with the President when he is giving them a carpet to work with him.

When the President calls on all the opposition parties to come to the party to work with us and build this country.
When the President calls on the civil society and all stakeholders in our country, they welcome it with open hands because they have the interest of UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 280 South Africans and no underhand tactics with an aim that one day they are going to rule this country.

As hon Mbhele was saying now that the time is ticking.

The time is ticking for the DA; you are now being unmasked for who you are.
The departure of hon Maimane, hon Herman Mashaba and youngsters like Ntuli show that there is no future for the DA.

The future of this country remains that of the ANC, but it remains in all of us working together.

It is our responsibility that we all need to rise beyond narrow political party but put the Constitution of South Africa first.

It is a responsibility that we all have and owe to the electorate to build a South Africa united, a South Africa that will benefit all South Africans.
It is the responsibility of all of us to ensure that the future is better than today.

We must never dare want to dream of the past.

We must never want to return to where we come from.

We must build this society for the benefit of all South Africans.

Thank you very much, House Chairperson.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D NTOMBELA): Thank you, hon members.

[Interjections.]

Can I have your attention, please.


That concludes the speakers list on the Budget Vote debate and UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022 Page: 281 the business for the day.

The hon the President will reply tomorrow.

The House is now adjourned.

The House adjourned at 21:18.