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UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 1 THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 ____ PROCEEDINGS OF MINI-PLENARY SESSION - VIRTUAL ____ Members of the mini-plenary session met on the virtual platform at 16:00.

The House Chairperson Ms M G Boroto took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment of silence for prayer or meditation.
The House Chairperson announced that the virtual mini-plenary sitting constituted a meeting of the National Assembly.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon members, before we proceed, I would like to remind you that the virtual mini- plenary is deemed to be in the precinct of Parliament and thus constitutes a meeting of the National Assembly for debating purposes only.

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We shall now proceed to the Order, which is a debate on Vote 20: Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities Appropriation Bill.
I will now recognise the Minister of Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 3 APPROPRIATION BILL Debate on Vote No 20 – Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities: The MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY FOR WOMEN, YOUTH AND PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES: Hon Chairperson, chairperson of the portfolio committee, hon members, it is an honour to present the 2022 Budget Vote Speech of the Department of Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities in the 25th year anniversary of the South African’s formally adopting the Constitution as our own.
The coming into effect of our democratic Constitution marked a decisive break from the apartheid past and it ushered in a new South Africa based on democratic values of human dignity, non- racialism, non-sexism and freedom.

While women in their diversity played a crucial role in the drafting and development of this world renowned Constitution, women continue to suffer the second pandemic of gender-based violence and femicide perpetrated by men and economic exclusion.
They have not been spared of the dreaded other UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 4 pandemic, which is the global COVID-19.

However, regardless of all these gendered challenges, women of South Africa are still standing.

More resolute than ... and in order to realize the promises enshrined in the Constitution.
One of the stalwarts of our liberation struggle, Mme Gertrude Shope once said, and I quote “Every generation has a responsibility to know what its mission is.
Mine was to liberate the country, what is yours?” As the Department of Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities, we will continue, in line with our mandate to advocate, monitor, evaluate, and regulate for the rights and empowerment of women, youth and regulate for the rights of empowerment of women, youth and persons with disabilities, as enshrined in the Constitution.

The empowerment of women, youth and persons with disabilities cannot be achieved without the socioeconomic transformation of society.
We must advocate for the acceleration of economic growth to overcome the triple challenges of inequality, unemployment and poverty, which always bears the feminine face UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES and are the breeding ground for gender-based violence and Page: 5 femicide.
We are determined to ensure that in the eight years remaining to reach the 50/50 target of gender equality in accordance with Goal 5 of the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals, SDGs, on gender equality and the commitments made at the 5th World Conference of Women in Beijing through the Beijing Platform for Action and its critical areas of concern.
In this regard, South Africa has joined the Generation Equality Forum to accelerate the implementation of programmes and projects to reach gender equality by 2030.

In order to eradicate the pandemic of gender-based violence and femicide, it is critical that we all implement the National Strategic Plan on Gender-Based Violence and Femicide.

Accordingly, the impact of the National Strategic Plan can only be realized when all sectors of our society play their part.
I am pleased to inform this august House that the Inter- Ministerial Committee which I chair, continue to do its work UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES of co-ordinating and implementation of the National Strategic Page: 6 Plan.

In this regard, the department plays a leadership role in advocating for, co-ordinating, monitoring and evaluating the implementation of the National Strategic Plan.
To date, several strides have been made including the following: The National Council on Gender-Based Violence and Femicide Draft Bill is currently being consulted with Nedlac and will be tabled in Parliament in June 2022; the Multi-Sectoral Rapid Response Teams are in the process of being established in all provinces, districts and local municipalities.
We are working closely with municipalities and other sectors and departments through the Department of Co-operative Governance and Traditional Affairs to ensure integration of the priorities of the National Strategic Plan.

The gender- based violence and femicide ... is in the District Development Model and Integrated Development Plans.
Through the European Union funded programme, technical monitors and data capturers have been placed in three pilot provinces in KwaZulu-Natal, Eastern Cape and Gauteng to UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 7 enhance the capacity of provinces to implement the National Strategic Plan and the Gender Budgeting Framework.
The plan is to roll out this support in the remaining 6 provinces during the 2022-23 financial year.

Through the support of the German funding, the department is developing the National Prevention Strategy on Gender-Based Violence and Femicide.

We must ensure that national departments integrate the gender-based violence and femicide priorities into their strategic and annual performance plans.
The department co-ordinate and consolidate the submission of the monthly progress reports on the implementation of the National Strategic Plan to the President.

We have, in partnership with SA National Taxi Council, Santaco, initiated the training of taxi drivers and owners on gender-based violence and femicide.

On 4 May 2022, I launched the SA Gender Assessment Report in partnership with the World Bank which highlights that overall, South Africa has made progress toward gender equality since 1994.
Firstly, South Africa is among the top 10 of countries globally to have successfully implemented reforms to improve UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 8 women’s legal rights; secondly, South Africa is ranked 18 globally according to the World Economic Forum Gender Gap Index, 2021; thirdly, South Africa is second in Southern African Development Community, SADC, states according to the World Economic Forum Gender Gap Index, 2021; and lastly, South Africa has achieved gender parity in primary and secondary school levels and in closing the gender gap in rates of adult literacy and there is notable progress in the number of women in Parliament.
Despite the significant progress made since the dawn of democracy, the report also highlights that women remain marginalized in the mainstream economy and economic opportunities available in the country.

In addition, the persistence of high levels of gender-based violence and femicide in the country, continue to threaten the livelihoods of marginalized groups and compromise the overall development of our nation.
Our department has also partnered with the World Bank in collaboration with Sars to release a Report on Women and Trade Facilitation in SA.

The findings of the report highlight the UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 9 challenges that women in business face with regard to export.
The report shows how mainstreaming of gender into matters of custom processes and export procedures can significantly reduce the barriers women continue to face in trade.

On youth issues, I welcome the appointment of the new board of the National Youth Development Agency, NYDA, and I am very excited that since the inception of the agency, we now have the first executive chairperson and deputy chairperson being young women.
I look forward to working with the new board in addressing the challenges facing our young people in the country.

I am also delighted to announce that the NYDA Amendment Bill has been tabled in Parliament on 26 April 2022.

Furthermore, the Integrated Youth Development Strategy, as well as the Monitoring and Evaluation Framework of the National Youth Policy 2030 will soon be submitted to Cabinet for approval.
These will enable us to monitor the implementation of the National Youth Policy across the sectors.

This year, June 16, will be celebrated in the Eastern Cape and will be addressed by His Excellency, President Cyril UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 10 Ramaphosa.

All Members of Parliament are invited to participate in all the interactions with our young people.
We must harness the potential of our youthful population.

This includes the political will by government and captains of industry to ensure an integration of youth across all strategic sectors of our society, especially the economy.
The NYDA supports the Presidential Youth Employment Intervention by providing the following: SA Youth Mobi - which is a free employment network that provides youth with access learning and employment opportunities; Youth Explorer - a youth portal that provides them with a range of information; mPowa - a location-based mobile app that provides employment and entrepreneurship opportunities, Wi-Fi spots within their immediate vicinity.
In the 2022-23 financial year, the NYDA will target the following: The training of more than 25 000 young people to be youth entrepreneurs; two thousand youth-owned enterprises who will receive financial assistance from the NYDA through the NYDA grant programme.
These enterprises will go on and create 6 000 jobs in the economy; seventy-five thousand young people UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 11 will be provided with skills development programs to enable them to enter the economy; ten thousand young people to be placed in jobs through the National Pathway Management Network; fifty thousand young people to be recruited in the structured National Youth Service where young people will earn an income, learn skills and increase their employability and offer meaningful quality service to their communities; and the NYDA will conduct monitoring and evaluation reports on the impact of the grant programme, revitalized National Youth Service and the Community Works Programme.
South Africa is the most unequal society in the world.

As a result, the department has taken a bold position to close this chasm by ensuring that there will not be any mega project in the country which excludes women, youth and persons with disabilities.
Accordingly, during March and April 2022, the department in partnership with the Minister for COGTA, hosted two Izimbizo in the Eastern Cape and KwaZulu-Natal, on the Eastern Seaboard Development to facilitate access to information for women, youth and persons with disabilities on this development and its value chains to ensure their participation.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 12 In March 2022, the department procured an exhibition space at the Africa Energy Indaba held in Cape Town, which provided women in the energy sector space to exhibit their work in order to expose their work to big business in the energy sector throughout the continent.
The department held three dialogues that focused on renewable energy, financial inclusion and best practice models on the empowerment of women, youth and persons with disabilities.

We are planning to host another Imbizo on the Eastern Seaboard Development at Alfred Nzo at the end of this month, in partnership with COGTA and the local municipalities.
You will recall that in October 2021, His Excellency, President Cyril Ramaphosa launched the Women’s Economic Assembly, Wecona, that seeks to unlock at least a minimum of 40% of all procurement opportunities for women-owned businesses across sectoral value chains.
The Wecona has developed a strategy to roll out the structure to provinces to ensure that women-owned businesses benefit from preferential procurement processes in all spheres of UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 13 government and create access to markets in the private sector.

I will hold the 2nd Wecona in October 2022.


The department continues to strengthen the implementation of the Sanitary Dignity Implementation Framework.

In this context, we are working on value chain management within the sanitary dignity process.

These include empowerment through support programmes to ensure competence in doing business with government.
We must all ensure the full implementation of the threshold for public procurement set at 40% for women, 30% for youth, and 7% for persons with disabilities.

The department undertook a rapid evaluation in 2021-22 and the findings are disappointing.

Only 16% of black women-owned businesses benefited in 2020 and 13% in 2021.

In construction 29%; accommodation and food service industry 18%.
Sectors such as transportation, wholesale and retail and ICT were the lowest at between 3% to 6% of women-owned businesses benefitting.

UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 14 Our main challenge in effectively monitoring the progress of women, youth and persons with disabilities is due to the lack of access to disaggregated data.
Access to data is critical for making evidence-based planning and programme design and to inform better policy and decision-making.

The department is collaborating with the Department Trade, Industry and Competition and other departments towards mainstreaming women youth and persons with disabilities into the African Continental Free Trade Area and the development of the African Union Protocol on Women and Trade to facilitate their participation in cross-border trading.
To strengthen disability inclusion in line with the UN Convention and AU Protocol, the department has developed and gazetted two frameworks on Universal Access and Design and Reasonable Accommodation.

We welcome Cabinet’s approval of the National Strategic Framework on Disability Rights Awareness-Raising Campaigns for Persons with Disabilities.

The framework seeks to guide both private and public sectors in ensuring the rights of persons with disabilities are protected.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 15 One of the barriers to participation in the economy for persons with disabilities is access to education.

Therefore, in 2021, the department in partnership with the Department of Basic Education hosted the Inclusive Education Summit to discuss key interventions in increasing access to education for children with disabilities of school going age.
Exclusion of persons with disabilities continues unabated in workplaces.

The disaggregated data collected by the Department of Public Service and Administration on employment of persons with disabilities in the public service show that the public service is at 1% of employment of persons with disabilities.

This is significantly lower than the 7% proposed across all public sectors.
The research report published by the department on the impact of COVID-19 on persons with disabilities highlights recommendations towards upholding rights and improving the living conditions of persons with disabilities during situations of disaster.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 16 Parliament is in the process of ratifying the AU Protocol on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities as announced by the President in his Sona reply.
Later this year, the department will convene the Economic Empowerment Summit for Persons with Disabilities in order to plan and design a strategy that will accelerate an inclusive process of persons with disabilities in the mainstream economy of the country including the Economic Reconstruction and Recovery Plan, ERRP.

I reported in the 2021 Budget Vote that the department has initiated the implementation of the Gender Responsive Planning, Budgeting, Monitoring and Evaluation Framework.
We are continuing with this work across all three spheres of government.

We will have to broadened this framework to include youth and disability as well.

In 2021-22, we conducted 46 capacity-building sessions across the government.

At least more than 500 officials have been capacitated on the framework.
As I am speaking here today, the department is presenting this framework at the provincial SA Local Government Association, Salga, Women’s Commission UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 17 Lekgotla at the Western Cape.
Similarly, we are planning to roll out this framework at the local government level in collaboration with the Salga and Department of Co-operative Governance, to capacitate newly appointed councillors.

In the 2021 Budget Vote, I informed the House that we will undertake analysis of the draft national department APPs.

In this context, the 2021 Monitoring and Evaluation Report showed that less than 50% of the departments were implementing the Gender Budgeting Framework.
However, the analysis of the 2022-23 draft APPs points to great improvement in inclusion of priorities of women, youth and disability in these plans.

We are targeting an increase towards 100% by 2024.

In 2021, I reported that the department has been engaging with the National Treasury, Department of Planning, Monitoring and Evaluation and the International Monetary Fund, IMF, in developing a strategy and road map for gender responsive budgeting.
I am happy to inform this House that there will be a rollout of phase 1 of the project over the coming months by the National Treasury.

UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 18 In addition, the department in partnership with the EU hosted a policy dialogue on gender responsive budgeting in February 2022 which included over 700 international and national experts and participants.
The aim of this dialogue is to foster discussions on the policy directives for gender responsive budgeting in the country.

The South African government and the economy was built on mining and agriculture, with land being a key factor.

Therefore, my department has signed a memorandum of understanding with the Department of Agriculture, Land Reform and Rural Development in order to ensure that women, youth and persons with disabilities are mainstreamed in agriculture and land redistribution.
In pursuit of Medium-Term Strategic Framework, MTSF, Priority 7: A better Africa and World, the department continues its commitment to achieve this priority in the following areas: We continue to participate in the African Union Specialized Technical Committees.

In November 2021, the country had a very successful session with the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, CEDAW ... [Time expired.]
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 19 The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Minister, unfortunately your time is now expired.

Ms C N NDABA: House Chair, hon Minister, Chief Whip, Deputy Chief Whip and hon members, let me start by first saying that the ANC supports this budget, Budget Vote 20.
As the Portfolio Committee on Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities, we are tasked with a huge responsibility of overseeing that the conditions of the most vulnerable in our society transforms and improve for the better.

It has become a dreadful practice that annually we have to pay condolences to the families that have lost their loved ones to the obliterating pandemic of the gender-based violence and femicide.
This is the second pandemic that we as a country continue to grapple with without success.

The fight against gender-based violence and femicide require every fabric of society to confront toxic behaviours and patriarchy.

The role of overcoming gender-based violence and femicide can never rest on government alone.

It requires all of us, our families, our groups of friends, communities and the broader society.
As the committee conveys its condolences to the Gardee and the Mtwa families along with the countless numbers of women and UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 20 children brutally killed that have not reached mainstream media, we are reminded again as a country the second pandemic of the gender-based violence, GBV, has not dissipated.
The committee welcomes the convictions of Chris Lategan for the brutal murder of Jesse Hess and her grandfather back in 2019.

But too slow have the wheels of justice turned for the victims and their aggrieved families and more need to be done and more must be done.
This has been the call from the Uyinene Mrwetyana Foundation to the committee via a petition through a committee member this year that key to the fight against gender-based violence and femicide, GBVF, is the establishment of the national council on gender-based violence and femicide.

However, this is hinged on the promulgation of enacting legislation.
The department must act and move swiftly in this regard because we were informed in the portfolio committee that the Bill has been with the National Economic Development and Labour Counci, Nedlac.

I am sure it is more than two months now.


This budget is also considered at a time where as a country we are experiencing high levels of unemployment, particularly UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 21 youth unemployment.
It is our responsibility as the portfolio committee to ensure that the economic reconstruction and recovery plan and the Presidential Employment Initiatives benefit the disadvantage particularly young people.

The future lies within our youth.

We therefore have the responsibility to safeguard that future.
As per the announcements, tabling and committee reports, ATC, 36 of 11 March 2022, the Department of Women, youth and Persons with Disabilities’ annual perform plan for 2022-23 was tabled for consideration and the report of the portfolio committee on Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities.
The portfolio committee in executing its oversight duties also considered the revised strategic plans and annual performance plan 2022-23 of the National Youth Development Agency and the Commission for Gender Equality.
The Portfolio Committee omn Women, Youth and Persons with Disability in performing its constitutional oversight mandate, engaged with the Department of Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities, the National Youth Development Agency, Commission for Gender Equality, CGE, on their respective annual performance plans for 2022-23 and revised strategic plans on 03, 06, 04, and 11 May 2022 respectively.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 22 The Auditor-General of South Africa also briefed the portfolio committee on 03 May 2022 having assessed the department and the National development Agency’s, NYD’s, annual performance plan, APP, 2022-23 financial year.

The Budget Vote report was subsequently adopted on 17 May 2022.
The department’s mandate I would say is tabled as read because the Minister has already presented it.

The estimates of the national expenditure 2022, I would say tabled as read because the Minister has already presented it.

The committee maintains that in order for the department to achieve its 42 targets it is imperative that these targets are smart and that this this give effect to the department’s mandate as regulator.
The committee took cognisance of the Auditor- General’s concerns in this regard and as such this will be closely monitored and assessed on a quarterly basis by the portfolio committee.

The committee welcomes the introduction of the National Youth Development Agency amendment Bill by the department, but we are astutely aware that the long awaited national council on gender-based violence and femicide Bill, the wage Bill and the disability Bill have yet to be introduced.
These proposed UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES pieces of legislations are incredible important and should be Page: 23 expedited.

Furthermore, the committee is aware that the department intends developing the SA youth development Bill and awaits to see what transpires in this regard.
The committee welcomes the implementation of the national youth policy and integrated youth development strategy and looks forward to see the outcomes of the implementation in this regard.

Just as youth development and mainstreaming is important to gender mainstreaming as such, the updated implementation of the national gender policy framework as well as the monitoring and evaluation thereof is critical.
Furthermore, given the continued search of gender-based violence and femicide in the country, the implementation of the national strategic plan on GBV and the prevention strategy as well as monitoring and evaluation is key.

The committee’s recent oversight visit to the North West and Gauteng provinces is testament that even though government is doing, but more need to be done.

Improved monitoring and evaluation is key.


Government departments must be held UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES accountable for what they have committed in the national Page: 24 strategic plan on GBVF.

As we are about to adopt these reports we also considered that there is no equality without consideration and inclusion of persons with disabilities.
As the portfolio committee we will continue to oversee that the rights of persons with disabilities are protected and promoted.

We cannot condone a country where a certain portion of people enjoys privileges and some do not.

This House recently agreed to the ratification of the Protocol to the African Charter on Human and Peoples' Rights on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities in Africa.
Being a signatory to the protocol and the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities is not enough.

Demystification and enactment is what persons with disabilities in this country requires.
The committee’s recent oversight visit to the North West School for The Deaf in Leeudoringstad was spared on by the SA Human Rights Commission 2019 report on the North West provincial investigative hearing into the lack of safety and UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 25 security measures in schools for children with disabilities.

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Thank you very much, hon House Chairperson, “Siyabonga” [Thank you].

Mr L MPHITHI: Hon House Chairperson, the Portfolio Committee on Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities, in performing its constitutional oversight mandate, engaged with the Department of Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities, the National Youth Development Agency, NYDA and the Commission for Gender Equality, CGE on their respective Annual Performance Plans for 2022/23 financial year.
One thing that was clear from this engagement was that we have a department that is completely out touch with the realities of the most vulnerable South Africans in this country.

Minister that has never taken accountability the many cries of women, youth and persons with disabilities.

This is a department that is bank-rolled by South Africans to do absolutely nothing but to pay the salaries of officials.

There are absolutely no successes that can be claimed by this department in this term of Parliament.
It has been unable to respond decisively to gender-based violence, youth unemployment and the continued side-lining of the disabled UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 26 community.

It has been unresponsive, uncaring, and uncreative in finding the solutions to the problems that we have personally experienced whilst on oversights across the country.
Just a few weeks ago, we visited a woman who was bed-ridden for over 10 years with no wheelchair.

The department had promised to assist the woman but a week later there was still no assistance.

We called the said official who made up all the excuses in the world of why they had failed to help uMama.

We have officials here who earn tremendous amounts of money for simply not doing the work to help communities on the ground.
There are some really great officials who are trying their best to contribute to the betterment of this country but unfortunately they are too far and few between.

The DA strongly suggested that the department should ensure that that its key performance indicators and targets are smart.

This means not allocating millions to a programme that only has a key performance indicator about producing reports through the use of consultants.
A quick example is how the department would spend R2,3 million for the use of consultants to do work like writing reports and collecting data.

One UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 27 wonders what the officials are doing in this department whilst there are 19 officials in the department that are doing nothing but are paid more than R1,2 million per annum.
This does not translate to actual change on the ground.

Minister, your reports are not helping and your imbizos are not working because the people want a department that is fighting for them and a government serving them.

People across the country are telling us that they do not see the work of the department on the ground.

That is correct because there is actually no work that is happening on the ground.
The Auditor- General of South Africa’s assessment of the department’s Annual Performance Plans, APP indicated that the targets of the department are not well structured, not well verified, not well defined and do not reflect the mandate of the department.

The department has constantly lamented about being a regulator instead of an implementer, yet have not been able to finalise frameworks and legislation in critical policies that needed to be updated.
We noted with great concern that the department has proposed a merger of the programmes focusing on the rights of persons with disabilities and youth development with no justification.

As it stands, the department’s work and image UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 28 remains poor within government and society at large.
The DA noted with great concern that the CGE can no longer afford or offer legal advice to clients.

This matter has been unresolved since 2020.

As it stands, the CGE does not have an HOD for legal services.

This leaves many victims and survivors of gender-based violence with one less avenue to find justice.

The truth about this APP is that it is less for our people and more for the department itself.

This is the ANC way.


The way of countless bloated entities and unnecessary departments often with overlapping mandates and functions all created to distribute a piece of the pie.

Too many millions and billions have been blown without substantive change on the ground by this department.

What have the successes been?

What have been achieved?

What tangible change has happened in communities?


Hon members, we must ask ourselves whether this department that spends millions on reports is genuinely been working for the people.

The DA way entails streamlining the work of government in confronting the challenges facing our people.
This would mean less money used as a form of patronage in the duplication of bureaucratic functions and offices and more money actually UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 29 working for the people.

In other words, less money to fund the business of government and more money to fund the businesses of the youth.

I thank you.
I thank you.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): We now proceed and from the EFF we recognise hon Sonti.

Hon Ndaba, you may switch off your microphone.

I beg your pardon, your video.

Ms N P SONTI: Hon House Chairperson, the EFF rejects the Budget Vote 20 on Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities.

Hon members, we have repeatedly stood on this platform to lament on the uselessness of this department.

Their inability to respond to the many challenges faced by women in this country.
Their refusal to work with the Departments of SA Police Service, Social Development and with Home Affairs in order to have a co-ordinated approach to fight femicide in this country.

Just a few weeks ago, we buried our beloved daughter Hillary Gardee, rest in peace my girl.

She is one amongst many women who have succumbed to the sadistic violence of men in this country.
Also a few weeks ago, a leader of Abahlali baseMjondolo Nokuthula Mabaso, was killed in cold blood at UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 30 eKhenana informal settlement in Cato Manor, KwaZulu-Natal.

In February this year, the body of Asiphe Nqoloba was discovered in a shallow canal behind the Sanitizer informal community in Langa, Western Cape.
On the same day, the police in Gugulethu also discovered the body of a 40-year-old woman on the canals of NY44 and NY45.

May all their souls rest in peace?

New research by the SA Medical Research Council reported that Eastern Cape is leading in the number of women who got murdered and that most of these women were killed by their intimate partners.

Lusikisiki has the highest number of rapes and sexual assaults in the country.
Minister, you know these statistics and you know the names of these women and children.

You hear them repeatedly but what have you done?

What has this department to ensure that women feel safe in this country and that those who are victims are provided with shelter and protection?

Why are you fiddling while women are dying in their numbers Minister?

Recently, the Human Sciences Research Council, HSRC released a report on the state of shelters in this country.
The report paints a very sore picture for those of us who are concerned with the plight of the victims of sexual violence and gender- UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 31 based violence in this country.

Why it is the responsibility of the Department of Social Development to maintain these shelters.
It is supposed to be your responsibility to monitor those shelters meant for abused women and abandoned children and people with disabilities that are well taken care of.

You have failed the women of this country, the youth and the differently abled persons.

The mess in the National Development Youth Agency, NYDA is proof of a continuing neglect of your department has for young people in the country.

Today, almost 50% of the population is unemployed.


A greater number of the unemployed is the women and young people.

With 74% of the youth of working age are unemployed in this country.

You have done absolutely nothing to promote initiatives for young people in their fight against unemployment.

This budget offers no new initiatives and breaks no new ground.

It is a repetitive which is ignorant of the agency mirrored to deal with the problems of the young people and young women in particular.
We reject this budget vote.

Thank you.

UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 32 IsiZulu: Nk C N NDABA: Ubungekho Sonti.

English: The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Thank you Mam’uSonti.

Hon Ndaba, please mute.

We proceed now to the IFP, with hon Hlengwa.


Ms L L VAN DER MERWE: Hon Chairperson, it is hon Van der Merwe, please could you move to the Freedom Front Plus, I will check on hon Hlengwa and come back to you.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): No problem, I can do that.

Now I proceed to the FF Plus and invite the hon Breedt.

Ms T BREEDT: Madam Chairperson, let’s not beat about the bush.

This department is a failure of a department.

This department should not exist.


Afrikaans: Ek het al verskeie kere in debatte met betrekking tot hierdie departement gesê dat ek ideologies nie saam met hierdie departement stem nie en wanneer ware gelyke geleenthede UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 33 seëvier, is daar nie ’n behoefte aan so ’n departement nie.

Ek praat egter nie vandag oor een van hierdie twee aspekte nie.
Hierdie departement faal Suid-Afrika, veral die persone wie die departement ten doel het.

English: Some shocking findings were tabled by the Auditor-General SA, AGSA, and the committee raised a number of concerns.

Almost half of their report are in fact concerns.

That is very worrying.

Many of the findings had to do with the department’s mandate.

For reference, I looked up the department’s mandate again and thought it good to bring it back into context for this debate.
The mission of the department is to provide strategic leadership, co-ordination and oversight to government departments and the country in mainstreaming empowerment programmes on women, youth and persons with disabilities.

The priority of the Ministry and the department is to ensure that the socioeconomic empowerment and rights of women, youth and persons with disabilities are mainstreamed across all sectors of society.
It further continues to explain in detail through UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES what mechanisms this is supposed to happen.

Here are some of Page: 34 the findings and concerns.

Firstly, the AGSA indicated that the targets of the department are not well structured, not well verified, not well defined and do not reflect the mandate of the department.
Afrikaans: Mmm, nogal ’n hengse problem, as jy my vra.

In kort, die departement faal, want dit kan nie sy mandaat uitvoer nie en ek glo nie enige mate van ingryping gaan dit kan omdraai nie.

Vrae wat ontstaan het gedurende die afgelope begrotingsproses sluit onder andere in hoe die departement ander regerings- departemente aanspreeklik hou vir die stadige of versuiming van uitvoering van daargestelde teikens in verband met vroue, jeugdiges en persone met gestremhede.
English: Furthermore, there was found that there was a merger of the programmes focusing on the rights of persons with disabilities and youth development with no justification provided by the department.

A further concern is with regard to the changes in UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 35 the organisational structure.

Also, without approval from National Treasury.


Annual performance plans, APPs, are unclear with targets that do not guarantee service delivery.

There are name changes of subprogrammes not effected throughout.

Afrikaans: ’n Naampie hier en ‘n plekkie daar, gaan nie dit wat institusioneel verkeerd is met hierdie departement regmaak nie.

Die herstrukturering is byvoorbeeld al sedert 2019 ’n prioriteit wat nie soos ’n prioriteit behandel word nie.
English: The majority of staff are employed within the Administration programme, as opposed to the core programmes and despite this there are still key critical vacancies in Programme 1.

To further add insult to injury, R2,3 million is budgeted for use of consultants to do work of the department ie report writing, collecting data, etc, and the question that begs to be asked is what the current staff and department are doing?
The department has 19 staff members who are paid more than R1,2 million per annum, salary level 13 to 16.

Then why does UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 36 the department still budget an allocation for consultants to implement programmes of the department?

Afrikaans: Dis so goed ons betaal twee keer vir ’n burger en kry nie ’n enkele burger nie!

English: It’s daylight robbery, if you ask me!


The committee had on numerous occasions outlined to this department why it should desist from using consultants, given its limited budget and provided recommendations on how to address the matter.

I can continue this trajectory, but I think my colleagues have and will make mention of that which I have not.
Let me rather focus on a project that I really believe in - a project that should be a priority, a project that can truly bring the girl child so much closer to an equal schooling opportunity.

And that is the sanitary dignity project.

Afrikaans: Volgens statistiek mis ten minste drie uit elke 10 meisies tot sewe skooldae ’n maand, as gevolg van menstruasie.
Die verslag UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 37 wat die komitee oor die implementering van die projek ontvang het, is amper tot op die letter dieselfde as die vorige verslag, twee jaar gelede.

Sedertdien was daar een opvolgverslag ,en het slegs twee provinsies moniteringsverslae ingedien.

Bygesê was dit na aanleiding van die komitee se oorsigbesoek.
In die Vrystaat kan ek getuig dat hierdie projek steeds in kontroversie gedompel is en dat daar geen waarde vir geld is nie.

Om eerlik te wees, is daar nie eers bewyse vir die geld wat na bewering daarop spaandeer is nie.

Vroue, jeugdiges en persone met gestremdhede gaan nooit ware gelykheid ervaar, solank as hierdie departement nog bestaan en die ANC met sy ideologies benadering tot probleme in beheer is nie.
Ek dank u. Ms N K SHARIF: Hon house Chairperson, when looking at the annual performance plans, APPs, for both the Commission for Gender Equality, CGE, and the Department of Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities, there is a stark contrast between the two.

What is absolutely shocking is that the CGE, with a budget of R107 million is able to do 10 times more of the work with half of the budget, when compared to the department, with budget of R205,1 million.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 38 The CGE has released reports around the failure of government departments to implement strategies to fight against the oppression of women.

The lack of accountability to the CGE is unacceptable.

The CGE must look at ways to ensure their reports, findings and recommendations are taken seriously.
Spending millions of rands doing numerous investigations must yield results, especially as a Chapter 9 institution that has its mandate given directly by the Constitution.

The lack of accountability is one of the reasons we keep moving backwards thanks to this failing ANC government.

In terms of budget, the CGE has to ensure that they use all the budget allocated in reaching targets.
The return of R19 million to Treasury is extremely concerning, especially when they argue a lack of an adequate budget is constraining the important work they do.

The Department of Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities has been going through an identity crisis for the last few years, since the proclamation by the President in 2019 to merge Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities into one department.
We have seen the mandate, the vision and the actual work that needs to get done change year-on-year.

The UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 39 impact of this means that policies and programmes of the department do not get implemented and get pushed to the side because they need to re-evaluate what they are actually doing.
We can see a clear example of this with the Emergency Response Action Plan on gender-based violence and femicide, GBVF, that has been reported by the department as being scrapped, noting they were the worst performing department in reaching their Emergency Response Action Plan, ERAP, targets.

The continuous redesign of the department’s organisational structure and the continuous delays in implementation of targets impact South Africans in the most severe ways.
The Wage Bill, the Disability Rights Bill, are delayed and this includes the National Council on GBVF, NCGBVF, that has not been established.

Treasury had allocated R15 million for the establishment of the NCGBVF over a three-year period, with R5 million being paid in each financial year starting in 2020 and yet, in 2022, nothing.

With these delays, we are seeing women, youth and persons with disabilities continue to suffer, in this country, every single day.
When looking at the department’s APP for 2022-23, it is evident that the targets are not smart.

It does not reflect on UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 40 the mandate of the department as a regulator.

This APP will be difficult to monitor and evaluate in terms of targets being implemented and oversight is therefore hindered.

Maybe, that is the whole plan.


The department is not convincing in terms of their capacity to do more and is not fit enough to make changes in the lives of women, youth and persons with disabilities.

South Africa deserves better.

I thank you.

Ms L L VAN DER MERWE: Thank you very much, hon House Chairperson and our apologies for hon Hlengwa not being able to speak.

She is being affected by load shedding.


Policy development and drafting as a legislation means very little if there’s no real ambition to finalize such statutory measures and above all if there are no real enforcement of these tools once adopted.

The Department of Women, Children and People with Disabilities proudly stresses its latest Annual Performance Plan that it has developed three key pieces of legislation.
This relate to the National Council on gender-based violence and femicide GBVF, Bill, the National Youth Development Agency Amendment Bill and the Promotion of Women’s Rights Environment and Gender Equity Bill.

UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 41 The department however fails to provide any targets relating to these critical Bills.
How is the committee to monitor any progress or oversight if these bills are not finalized?

The department also fails to recognize the delay in introducing these Bills.

The National Council on Gender Based Violence and Femicide Bill, provides for the establishment of an important multi sector National Council on GBVF which essentially provides for strategic leadership in the fight against GBVF.
This critical Bill was only published in October 2021 by department after years of protest and countless promises by government that it is serious about eliminating GBVF.

One of the first steps promised by government was the establishment of this council of yet many years later we are once more faced by the government’s empty promises in this regard.
The IFP strongly endorses the portfolio committee’s recommendation that the department must urgently provide specific targets to the development of this Bill and the finalization of the establishment of this council.
The Sanitary Dignity Policy Framework Work provides vital norms and standards for the provision of senator products for UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 42 vulnerable goals and young women especially those living in rural areas.

The monitoring of this framework should be a high priority for this department.
However, once again, we have seen very little enforcement or proper oversight over this framework.

The IFP agrees with the portfolio committee’s observation that there seems to be no uniformity in the roll out of this framework and this is simply unacceptable and should no longer be tolerated.

The sanitary dignity of our vulnerable girls and young women cannot be compromised by the failure of this government to ensure effective oversight.
Lastly, the IFP strongly agrees with the portfolio committee’s observations on the use of consultants by the department.

It is really concerning that R2,3 million is budgeted for the use of consultants to effectively do the work of this department.

One of the main cost drivers under goods and services is the use of consultants which is incomprehensible considering the financial constraints experienced by government, this department and National Treasury in general.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 43 The IFP strongly agrees that the recommendations that there must be an effective transfer of skills from these consultants to the department officials and the IFP will closely monitor this recommendation.

We cannot continue to be a witness to such wastage and such dismal performance by this department.
Chairperson, in conclusion, we expect better for the most vulnerable, we expect better for those living with disabilities.

And we expect better for the women and children who continue to face war on our streets, at home and in the workplace.

They deserve better than what this department is delivering.

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON: (Ms R M M Lesoma): Hon members, you will forgive me, it’s bit darker where I am because of loadshedding.

Ms A S MHLONGO: Thank you very much, hon Chairperson.
Greetings to the Minister of the Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities, the chairperson of the portfolio committee, hon members, ... Siswati: UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 44 ... sanibonani.

English: Today marks exactly 20days since 6-year-old girl, Bontle Mashiyane from Mganduzweni in Mpumalanga province disappeared.
We plead with our police and society to help the family find this young and innocent soul.

This happens after a young women Hillary Gardee was brutaly murdered by old men.

We again plead with the justice system to make sure it is old men are behind bars where they belong.

Clearly, they do not belong in our society.

Hon members, young people in South Africa are the most vulnerable with unemployment levels at highest.
It is unavoidable that COVID-19 has had a dreadful impact in our society a number of people lost their jobs their source of income and are unable to provide for their families.

This in turn further exacerbate the already high levels of poverty and deepening inequality.

However, as South Africans we are resilient not all is lost.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 45 Chairperson, as the ANC our focus is to rebuild the economy through the Economic Reconstruction and Recovery Plan and implementing it which will curb the high levels of unemployment.

It is an unemployment stimulus to create jobs and sustain livelihoods.

We have to continuously mainstream young people and women into the various sectors of the economy.
Particularly those sectors that they are least represented in like the mining sector and the agricultural sector.

we acknowledge that the causes of unemployment in South Africa can be attributed to a lack of education and training, labour demands and skills mismatch and a lack of interest for entrepreneurship.

Ours as the government is to turn this around.

We have to ensure that young people in particular have the necessary skills that are required in the labour market.
We have to drive innovations and support the programs that are aimed at increasing an interest to entrepreneurship.

If we are to attain our goals of the National Development Plan, NDP, of realising a 6% unemployment rate and 11 million additional UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 46 jobs by 2030, we have to address the main drivers of unemployment in our country and develop our economy.
Today, as the ANC, we are adamant that the budget intends to try and mitigate the triple challenges of inequality, unemployment and poverty.

In mitigating the high levels of unemployment amongst the youths, as the ANC realised that we have to advance the socio-economic empowerment of young people.

The honours thus rests upon the department to review the National Youth Policy and legislation such as the National Youth Development Agency Amendment Bill and therefore report on the recommendation.
The significance of this Bill is that it will prioritize interventions that support skills development and foster employment.

This includes the provision of support for young entrepreneurs, learnership programme and the implementation of youth programmes.
As the ANC we are pleased to note that over the medium-term period, the in the National Youth Development Agency, NYDA, UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 47 will focus on providing interventions to support the creation of decent employment and the development of skills and encourage entrepreneurship for all young people.
These interventions will take place in the form of financial and non-financial support to enable young people to access skills and jobs establish and sustain enterprises and gain access to markets.

For financial support is provided through grants to townships and rural enterprises owned by young people whereas nod- financial support includes accounting, website development, business plan writing and marketing.
Hon members, as the ANC we welcome that the large proportion of the budget has been allocated to Programmes 2 of the NYDA budget.

This programme will assist young people to gain access to socio-economic opportunities, viable business opportunities through entrepreneurship, increased access to the economy through the various sectors including the agricultural construction and the secondary sector of the economy.
This programmes will also focus on upskilling a number of young people to allow them the required skills in the job UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 48 market.

As ANC, we also welcome the new increased targets of the NYDA.

A clear indication of understanding the gravity of the challenges that young people face.
This new target will help assist foster innovation and support young and upcoming entrepreneurs.

Hon members, we have to understand the importance of entrepreneurship in the value-chain.

It also helps assist in the creation of jobs and job opportunities which then seeks to deal with the matter of unemployment and poverty.

Such initiatives have to be supported.


Hon Chairperson, we are pleased to know that an additional allocation of R450 million has been made to extend the national youth services for another two-years, enabling approximately 35 000 job opportunities per year.

The NYDA also has the responsibility to ensure that young people benefit from the National Pathway Management Network, which is a Presidential Youth employment intervention initiative to decrease the unemployment rate South Africa.
The first two phases of the Presidential Employment Stimulus programmes were launched in October 2020.

And have supported UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 49 over 850 000 opportunities.

More than 80% of these participants were young people and over 60% were women.
We are adamant that this year there would be even more youth and women that benefit from these initiative to limit the scourge of unemployment and poverty.

We remain confident that the Social Employment Fund will create a further 50 000 job opportunities using the capability of organisations beyond government.

In areas such as agriculture, early childhood development public ... [Inaudible] ... tackling gender-based violence.
Hon Chairperson, the most important aspect of this vote is that it will uplift the lives and livelihoods of many young people and women at large.

A budget should always be responsive to the socio-economic challenges that the country faces.

Young people are not lazy.

Young people need to be granted the necessary platforms and opportunities for them to thrive.

As the ANC, we are well aware of the frustrations of young people.

We are well aware of the frustrations caused by the pandemic.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 50 Let me take this moment to recognise the strains that the mental health has put on our youth.

Ours as government is to respond to the dire challenges that our young people face and therefore approve budgets that would be beneficial to the needs of the youth and the nation.

As the ANC we support Budget Vote 20 - Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities.
Ngyabonga [Thank you.]

Ms M E SUKERS: House Chair, the South African tax payer is investing R987,3 million into the budget of this department.

The ACDP notes the announced paradigm shift from facilitation to regulatory in the Annual Performance Plan, APP.

It is within this context that we wish to provide comment on this Budget Vote.

Women are disproportionately affected by the economic and social crisis in our country.
During this lockdown period the conditions in our communities deteriorated with extreme levels of poverty affecting women, youth and people living with disabilities.

There has been a significant focus given to the war in Ukraine but the truth is that there is a low intensity war in our communities, especially here in the Western Cape.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 51 I receive calls from my constituency that are desperate.

One such a call was last night when two young people lost their lives violently a few streets apart in the same neighbourhood.

If we should a body count on the killings that happen in communities on the Cape Flats the totals will be staggering.
Trauma is a daily reality for women in our country, and if you live in communities such as Seawinds, Lavender Hill or Mitchells Plain, the exposure to violence is a daily occurrence.

We acknowledge the Minister of Social Development and the department for the coming out on the oversight to facilitate dialogue with our communities and non-governmental organisations, NGOs, in the southern Peninsula.
We need more Ministers and their departments to respond to issues of violence and gangsterism which is a major threat to the national security of this country.

Young women are sold for drugs to gangs.

These are the horrific stories, Minister, that we encounter every day that requires a multifaceted approach.
It is therefore our call that this department and its entities, the Commission for Gender Equality and the National UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 52 Development Agency for them to pay attention to the root causes that drive gangsterism and violence in these areas.

The ACDP questions what the shift of the department and its organisational changes will mean in real terms.
How will this strategic focus of this department assist women and youth on the Cape Flats?

What directives and regulations will be issued, and then enforced to ensure that the department’s task with overseeing the safety and security of our people are focusing on the key issues of violence and inequality that drives the crisis women face in our communities.

On behalf of the communities that the ACDP serves, these are the questions we seek answers to in this Budget Vote.

I thank you.
I thank you.

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON: (Ms R M M Lesoma): Thank you, hon member.

I now recognise hon Shaik Emam.

My apologies, hon members once more, it is like I am flying; there is loadshedding where I am.

You may proceed, hon member.

Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Thank you, House Chair, I have more than loadshedding; I have a total blackout.

I hope you can see me.


House Chairperson, let me start of by saying that the NFP will UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES support the Budget Vote tabled here today.

However, allow me Page: 53 to raise some of my concerns.

Seven women die every day or murdered in this country.

A 123 are raped in South Africa on a daily basis.

One fifth of all women are physically abused by their partners in this country.
Now, added to that is the problem that only 4% of children live with their fathers or over 50% of children live with their mothers.

But 77% of all children in this country live with one parent.

Now, surely that tells us that that will lead to dysfunctional families because no child is born a rapist or a murderer or a perpetrator of violence.

The question that we need to again ask is: What has gone wrong?

Why has it gone wrong?

When did it go wrong and what are we going to do to correct it?
We talk about the targets we set with gender equity and particularly those that are physically challenged.

Let us start with the National Assembly.

Four hundred Members of Parliament, are we complying?

Clearly not.

Let us look at the issue of CEOs of women in South Africa.

Only 11,8% of women in this country hold CEO positions in South Africa, and only about 20% of them hold managerial positions in the country.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 54 I want to call upon the department, particularly with these dysfunctional families, should we not put in measures to ensure that any father that refuses to pay or neglects to pay child maintenance or is not in a child’s life, should not and must not be employed by the state?
Maybe that is where we need to start, over and above ensuring that they pay if they cannot be in the lives of these children, because this is the root cause of what we are having in terms of dysfunctional families.

I think as a state we should start there and not allow them to be employed by the state.
Let me go one step further, there is not enough being done to protect these women and these children from absent fathers, including when we talk about maintenance, particularly I want to raise the concern of those that are in delf-employment because there are no measures to track their income.

For that reason, they exploit the situation and end up not paying maintenance for these children.
The statistics in terms of children that are going to school, why is it that so many members of families are not ensuring that the children go to school so that we can create a better UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES society or a future generation of leaders?

Are you telling me Page: 55 that my time is up?

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON: (Ms R M M Lesoma): I guess so.

I need to say so.

Thank you very much.


Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Okay, House Chair, the NFP will support, and you keep flying, Chair.

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON: (Ms R M M Lesoma): You are so out of order, hon member.

[Laughter.]

Mr S NGCOBO: House Chairperson, the Department of Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities continues to fail persons with disabilities in the country.

It has failed to change their living conditions for the better.
It has failed to remove the barriers which keep them locked out of opportunity.

As the South African Human Rights Commission has noted, households headed by persons with disabilities have less access to basic services than households headed by persons without disabilities.
Many NGOs in the disability sector, some of which the DA has visited in the past, are also struggling UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 56 financially.

Without proper funding for them, vulnerable South Africans living with disabilities are at risk of homelessness and losing access to dignified care and education.
The Department has also failed to prioritise the development of the Disability Rights Bill.

In its annual performance plan for the 2022-23 financial year, the department does not mention the development of this Bill as a separate target, which will make the monitoring of the development of the Bill very difficult for the committee.

This is concerning, given that the committee has been calling for the speedy development of this piece of legislation for quite some time now.
House Chairperson, what is also concerning is that the department does not have a proper stakeholder database that is updated on an ongoing basis, which explains clearly why many disability rights organisations are being left out when the Department conducts outreach programmes.

The department states that the purpose of programme 4 in its annual performance plan is to promote good governance regarding the rights and social and economic empowerment of youth and persons with disabilities.
It further states that in UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 57 the current financial year it will support, monitor and co- ordinate government’s implementation of the White Paper on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities.

However, it is very difficult to imagine how the department will do this, given that the targets it has set under this programme are not smart enough to achieve this purpose.
It is hard to imagine how simply developing one draft evaluation report on the implementation of the White Paper on the Rights of Persons with disabilities is going to support and co-ordinate government’s implementation of the White Paper.

The questions for you Minister are: For how long must persons with disabilities in the country suffer before the department rise to the occasion and do what it is supposed to do?
For how long must persons with disabilities remain excluded before the department starts prioritising their issues?

For how long must they wait before the department actually start developing the Disability Rights Bill?

Now is the time for action, Minister.

Now is the time for you and your department to start listening to persons with disabilities in the country, and take effective measures to change their lives for the better.

The starting point will be to speedily develop the Disability Rights Bill.
I thank you.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Sepedi: Page: 58 Moh C M PHIRI: Modulasetulo, e re ke buṧe letṧatṧing la lehono ke tamiṧe Tona ya rena, Mme Maite Nkoana-Mashabane, ke tamiṧe le sefepisegolo Mme Majodina, gammogo le Motlatṧatona wa gagwe, ke tamiṧe Maloko kamoka a Palamente, ao a lego gona ka mo boṧegong bja lehono ke re ... English: ... before I ... [Inaudible] ... allow me to first pay my condolences to the numerous families that have lost loved ones through the scourge of gender-based violence and femicide.
As my chair had previously stated, it has been hinderous pattern that every year we pay condolences to the victims of gender- based violence and femicide, and commemorate those we have lost.

It begs the question of why does such a vicious pattern continues and persist in our country.

Why are women continuously being obliterated in our country?
We also have to acknowledge that gender-based violence and femicide affect particularly those that are vulnerable in our society, women, children and persons belonging to the community of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, questioning and asexual and other gender non-conforming identities, LGBTIQA+.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 59 As the ANC we have acknowledged that gender-based violence has reached its crisis and proportion in our country, and it affects every community in touches the lives of the most families in one way or the other.

We note and understand that these manifestations are ...

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... system that is embedded in the system and traditions of our society or our country.

That is why as a country we have to continuously support institutions such as the commission for gender- equality and the Department of Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities.

Our objectives on the stand on women and the vulnerable have always been clear as the ANC.

We recognise and understand that our struggle will never be complete the socioeconomic emancipation of women.
We have always emphasised the support for the rights of persons with disabilities and children, combat sexism and ensure that violence towards women is fully heard and that all women and youth are represented in all sectors of our society.

However, we know that responding and combating gender-based violence require a multisectoral approach which led to the implementation of the National Strategic Plan on gender-based violence and femicide.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 60 We shall always be in support of the mechanism that aims to address issues of gender-based violence ...

[Interjections.]

... today, we have to understand how this Budget Vote No 20 will assist us to the challenges that we are experiencing.

Hon Mphithi and hon Sharif, as the ANC we are a caring government.
We welcome the budget allocation to the Commission for Gender Equality, CGE, over R100 million for the financial year 2022- 23 from National Treasury, which is a nominal increase from the previous budget – that of 2021-22.

To us this is an indication that the matter of gender equality and advocacy of the vulnerable is being taken seriously by the ...

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... and the CGE, led by the ANC.

We hope that the increased allocation on the programme A on CGE continue ...

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... transformation agenda in both the private and public sector through legislation.

We hope that the specific focus will be emphasised on the private sector to evaluate legislation policies, practices and ...

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... to ensure that they are in line with the prescripts understanding that the fight against gender-based violence and femicide requires to be strengthened.

We therefore welcome the continued effort to curb the scourge of abuse.
We have long awaited the establishment of the National UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 61 Council on Gender-Based Violence.

We therefore welcome the fact that it will be launched during the financial year and that an estimated amount of R15 million has been allocated over the medium term toward this programmer – under the programme of mainstreaming women’s rights and advocacy.
We have noted that Parliament passed the three gender-based violence and femicide Bills.

It is of significance to see that these Bills benefit the public, particularly the victims of gender-based violence.

It is our responsibility to ensure that knowledge on these Bills have to reach members of the public.
We therefore encourage the Commission for Gender Equality to continue to conduct advocacy initiatives and public education interventions in the promotion of public understanding of gender equality and access to gender justice.

It is fruitless to pass Bills when the intended beneficiaries are not aware of them or do not have the knowledge of these existing Bills and how they can benefit from them.
We also partake in information sharing in all constituencies to ensure that members of the public know their rights and how the law protects them to ensure adequate access to justice.

We are now in the era of digital technology and we should embrace the UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 62 Fourth Industrial Revolution.
We should utilise the digital media and platforms to spread helpful information with regard to gender-based violence and femicide.

We appreciate that the department and the commission have reached to over 48 million people using their information and communication initiatives.

We hope that during this financial year, they would be able to reach out to even more people than the previous year.
We are awaiting the second phase to implement the National Strategic Plan, NSP, on Gender-Based Violence and Femicide as the strategy is of the great significance.

We hope that the department will continue to monitor the implementation of the plan and monitor ...

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... and accessibly to Thuthuzela Care Centres that are meant to benefit victims of violence.

We also have to ensure that our centres do cater for people belonging to the LGBTQA+ community.
They must be inclusive, most importantly, it is of significance that the department hold the departments accountable for not implementing the NSP or including it into their strategic plans.

Consequence management is led in this regard.

UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 63 Hon Sonti, the department joins hands with all stakeholders and the department has good interrelations with other departments.
As part of a ...

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... for the rights of the people with disabilities, the department has developed a framework guideline on how the department can best include people with disabilities in all government processes and programmes.
Over the Medium-Term Expenditure Framework, MTEF, period, in partnership with the SA Law Reform Commission, the department aims to develop disability rights legislation and polices in the areas such as advocacy for people with disabilities and develop all metrics and monitoring and evaluation framework for the 2015 White Paper on the rights of persons with disabilities in order to guide the department on implementation priorities.

These initiatives are expected to ...

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... expenditure of R49,3 million over the medium term in the advocacy and mainstreaming of rights of persons with disabilities subprogrammes, the mainstreaming of rights of youth and advocacy rights programmes.

This is in addition to SADC protocol of the rights of persons with disabilities.

This UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 64 is a programme being implemented, hon members.
When you say that there is nothing that this department is doing well, you are not putting it correctly.

The department is doing a lot.

This budget will benefit those that are most disadvantaged in our communities.

It will also strengthen the fight against gender-based violence and continue ...

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... access to justice.

...

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... “Freedom cannot be achieved unless women have been emancipated from all forms of oppression”.

It was said by the great statesman.


Sepedi: Ke a leboga, Modulasetulo.

The MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY FOR WOMEN, YOUTH AND PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES: Chairperson ... Xitsonga: ... ndzi khensile.

English: I wish we had more time.

We came straight into conversation with yourselves in the budget where we are participating partly in the first international labour organisations.
The UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 65 initiative to stop childhood employment or children’s work that children should be at school and not at work, to stop child labour.
You know, if one was still in that particular place, or if one would still take those people who were in that particular place and bring them into this room and hear that the whole world think that South Africa is on track and that South Africa needs support, and that there’s a lot that they can learn from this country, and many of those things they pick up from the things we do as the department.
You know the saying that says, it takes a village to raise a child, they say that they now know and they have picked it up that it comes from all over the world.

They have picked it up from South Africa, but now they know that the community means the entire society needs to take care of issues of gender- based violence and femicide.

As hon Shaik Emam has it, it takes not only a village, but community and all of us to do things right.
That’s why we have joined the District Development Model, DDM, because, may the souls of women who have been slaughtered or killed by their loved ones and by thugs, rest in peace.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 66 But they are killed in a locality, and that particular locality does not necessarily need women only, or the Department of Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities only, it needs the village, it needs all of us to deal with such issues.

Absentee fathers cannot raise children.

Children are not raised by money.


Children are raised by a father and a mother, so said hon Shaik Emam, and we agree.

Hon Phiri, I think that you said a mouthful.

Therefore, we don’t have to repeat because, we don’t have time, but we appreciate what you have said, including the support from you and the Chair of the portfolio committee and many of us, Comrades.

Hon members, let us tell the truth that, the targets that we have set we set them for the department.
Even though the Auditor-General rejected them, it is not the whole truth.

They were called back, and they emphasised that they support that work.

Yes, we work with other countries because we do not have money.

The department is not a delivery department.

It is a department that does advocacy and regulation, and works with monitoring and evaluation.

So, we cannot be responsible for every other husband who decides that he is not too drunk today and therefore he can kill his wife.
These things must stop, but the painful reality is indeed that it is confirmed that, UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 67 out of every three hours, a woman gets killed in South Africa by somebody or someone she knows.

So, we work with international community and we work with some agencies.

There is also work that we are doing in Lusikisiki.
Let me tell you this, when we receive support either through Treasury or through other agencies abroad, we make sure that we plough them back into the society and help with training.

I judge the Inter-Ministerial Committee, IMC, with other Ministers that monitors on this matter of gender-based violence and femicide, GBVF.

It is our government that had taken a stance that, when we negotiate for something to happen, like gender-based violence and femicide council to be launched, it will go through Nedlac.
So, Nedlac is where discussions are done, not with us.

They have received this at the beginning of the year.

But we will wait till end of the month to get feedback from them because, there’s absolutely nothing to hide.

We are the ones who make statements, but statements alone do not bring our people back, particularly mothers.

So, let us work together.

There is no need to fight.


There is a need for all of us, particularly this department, to make sure that, women, young girls and UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 68 mothers are safe, to keep our nation safe.

This department was supposed to be encouraging more participation of women in the economy.
Like with the renewal of the economy, women get an opportunity not to participate like they did in the past, but that we be part of the cleaning service of the economy of South Africa, so that we can become full participants.

Sanitary dignity, yes we agree, that it has to be led by women, but we work with the Ministry of Social Development.

We have both agreed that, it should not necessarily be the responsibility of the others, but ourselves.
Here in KwaZulu-Natal, where people have experienced floods and lives have been lost, may their souls rest in peace, we were the first with government to arrive in those shelters, not only to feel sorry for the victims, but also to help and share the little we had with the communities, and sanitary dignity handouts were distributed, which were highly appreciated.

I was with Minister Zulu and we will continue to offer help.
Where there is a little bit of money, it is sent directly for sanitary dignity by the Treasury to the provinces, and they see to it on how they will utilise it or how this department UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Page: 69 will take care of our people.

Let us take this opportunity to work together, remembering Wangani Maathai of Kenya, and Mme Gedrude Shope said, we fought for freedom.
What will you be remembered for?

Let us do things that help protect and make lives, in particular, of women better, in this era, by working together.

It is our responsibility and our honour to serve.

The Bills that we were referring to on GBVF that comes with justice, were discussed through the IMC which we chair.

We encouraged this.

We also encouraged that they will be offer new courts that will focus on issues of gender-based violence.

We also encourage ...

[Interjections.]


The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M Lesoma): Hon Minister, I am afraid, your time is up, Mme.

The MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY FOR WOMEN, YOUTH AND PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES: Thank you very much.

Sepedi: A re swariṧaneng, bomma le bontate.

Tsela ye e thata, fela mo re iteretṧego boṧaedi gona, a re bo lokiṧeng.
Ke a leboga UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY - NATIONAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY, 19 MAY 2022 VOTE NO 20 – WOMEN, YOUTH AND PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Debate concluded.

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