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UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 1 TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 ____ PROCEEDINGS OF NATIONAL ASSEMBLY CHAMBER ____ The House met at 10:00.

The House Chairperson Mr C T Frolick took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment of silence for prayers and meditation.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon members, in the interest of safety, in the Chamber, please keep your masks on and stay in your designated area.
DECISION OF QUESTION ON CONSIDERATION OF RECOMMENDATION OF A PERSON TO FILL A VACANCY ON ELECTORAL COMMISSION The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon members, I wish to remind you that on Tuesday, 7 June 2022, the required majority for a decision of the question on the recommendation of the person to fill the vacancy on the Electoral Commission was not obtained.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 2 There was no debate.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon members, in terms of section 6(2), paragraph (c) of the Electoral Commission Act of 1996, the person nominated for appointment to serve on the Electoral Commission must be approved by a majority of members of the Assembly.

Although a division has been demanded, we are still required to report our support for the nomination.

The House needs a clear majority of 201 members who must support the nomination.

Division demanded.

The House divided.


The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): ... on that we have the record requisite members physical present in the Chamber and on the virtual platform to take this decision.

Party Whips will then be given an opportunity to confirm the number of their members present and indicate if they vote for or against the question.

A member who wishes to abstain or vote against the party vote may do so by informing the Chair.
We are just waiting for the table to confirm whether we do have a quorum UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 3 present.

I recognise the Deputy Chief Whip of the Majority Party.

The DEPUTY CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: Hon House Chairperson, my apologies, I just want to alert you to the fact that members are still struggling to connect.

Not only ANC members but all members.


The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): We have opened the voting and waiting for the table to confirm whether there is a quorum present.

If there is a quorum present, we proceed.

The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: May I ask why you opened the votes because ...

[Inaudible.]

... Cn I ask in terms of which Rule did you reopen the votes ...

[Inaudible.]
[Inaudible.]

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon members, I am waiting for the table to confirm whether we do have a quorum present.

A quorum of more than 201 members is on the platform.

We will proceed.

Having confirmed that we have the requisite quorum, we will now proceed.

Is there a problem hon Mazzone?

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 4 The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Yes, House Chair ...

[Inaudible.]
[Inaudible.]

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon member, I cannot determine that from here.

The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Sir, absolutely no.

I place no blame on anyone whatsoever.

Can I ask if you check with the IT department when the votes started, if the quorum was 201?

That’s all I am asking.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): We do have the table staff here that keeps me informed of what is happening.
I do not have the numbers in front of me, unless you want me to open the procedure again.

Start afresh to ring the bells for another five minutes.

[Interjections.].

Okay, let’s proceed hon members.

Order.

We do have a quorum present.

Question put: That the nomination of Mr V G Mashinini be recommended to fill a vacancy on the Electoral Commission.

The voting has started.

Whips, please confirm the numbers of your members present in the Chamber and on the virtual platform.
Also kindly indicate if they vote for or against the UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 5 question.

Are the party whips ready to record the votes of their members who are present?

The DEPUTY CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: My sincere apology, we are still adding up numbers.

The ANC is in full support.

In attendance here is 53.

On the virtual platform, the ANC is 152, totalling up 205 in full support.

[Applause.]
[Applause.]

The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: House Chairperson, I have no idea how many members are there on the virtual platform because I haven’t received ...

[Interjections.]

...

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Order, hon members.

We are in a voting process.

Please take your seat, hon Papo.

[Interjections.]

...

The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Seven in the House but I have no idea how many on the platform because I haven’t been informed yet.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Okay, we will come back to you.

Order, hon members.

Just remain calm.

We are dealing with a very important question before the House.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 6 The EFF?

: House Chair, we are 10 on virtual platform and eight in the House.

We are 18 and vote against.

Mr N SINGH: We are eight on virtual platform and I am here, that makes it nine voting for.

The ACDP?
The ACDP?

: House Chair, we are two on virtual platform and one in the House.

We vote against.

Thank you.

Mr N L S KWANKWA: House Chair, one on the virtual platform and voting in favour.

Mr B N HERRON: House Chair, two on the virtual platform, voting in favour.

Thank you.

Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: House Chair, one on virtual platform, voting in support.

Thank you.

Mr M NYHONTSO: The PAC is one and votes in favour.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): I go back to the DA.

The Chief Whip.
The Chief Whip.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 7 The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: The DA has 10 members on the virtual platform and seven in the House.

A total of 17, voting against.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Is there any member that wishes to abstain or vote differently to their party?

Thank you, hon members.

The voting session is now closed.

[TAKE IN FROM MINUTES] Question agreed to.


Nomination of Mr V G Mashinini accordingly agreed to in accordance with section 6(2)(c) of the Electoral Commission Act, 1996.

CONSIDERATION OF REPORT OF PORTFOLIO COMMITTEE ON HUMAN SETTLEMENTS ON BUDGET VOTE 33: HUMAN SETTLEMENTS, AND ON REVISED STRATEGIC PLAN FOR COMING MEDIUM TERM EXPENDITURE FRAMEWORK, PERIOD AND ANNUAL PERFORMANCE PLAN, 2022-23 There was no debate.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 8 The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: I move that the Report be adopted.

Motion agreed to (Economic Freedom Fighters and Democratic Alliance dissenting).

Report accordingly adopted.

CONSIDERATION OF REPORT OF STANDING COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS ON SECOND ADJUSTMENTS APPROPRIATION, 2021-22 FINANCIAL YEAR BILL The CHIEF OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: I move that the Report be adopted.

There was no debate.


Motion agreed to (Economic Freedom Fighters dissenting).

Report accordingly adopted.

SECOND ADJUSTMENTS APPROPRIATION, 2021-22 FINANCIAL YEAR BILL (First Reading debate) UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 9 The ACTING MINISTER OF FINANCE (Mr M Gungubele): Hon House Chairperson of the NA, hon members, fellow South Africans.

Thank you for the opportunity to engage the House on the 2022 Second Adjustments Appropriation Bill, 2021-22 financial year.
The Second Adjustments Appropriation Bill, 2021-22 Financial Year, gives effect to adjustments to the appropriation of money from the National Revenue Fund for expenditure approved in the 2021-22 financial year and provides for the matters incidental thereto.

The provision of an Adjustment Appropriation Bill is an important piece of legislation in our country.
It allows the state to react with agility to deploy financial resources to cater for the adjustments due to significant and unforeseeable economic and financial events.

On that note, House Chairperson, I would like to outline the global and domestic context under which this debate is set; a global economy with the Russia-Ukraine conflict resulting in higher fuel and food prices and mounting inflationary pressure.
This is in addition to a local economy that is experiencing low growth and high unemployment, recovering from UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 10 the COVID-19 pandemic and the riots of July 2021, and most recently, the floods in KwaZulu-Natal and parts of the Eastern Cape and the North West.

This Second Adjustments Appropriation Bill, House Chairperson, is necessitated on two grounds.
The first, is an additional deployment of financial resources towards the sourcing of vaccines against the COVID-19 pandemic.

This includes a further R500 million to the national Department of Health to pay for COVID-19 vaccines and associated costs of logistics.

Again, we must encourage all South Africans to vaccinate and get booster shots.

Secondly, the Appropriation Bill, hon members, is about deploying financial resources to South African Special Risk Insurance Association, SASRIA.
This adjustment is due to the financial impact of the 2021 July civil unrest.

It is indeed, a fact that 2021 was a difficult year for our country, as we struggled to navigate our way through and mitigate the adverse economic and social disruption caused by the COVID-19 pandemic.

We were faced with unanticipated violence, looting and destruction of public infrastructure that took place in July.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 11 SASRIA, is a non-life insurer founded to cover losses, including those arising from public unrest and civil disobedience.

Since its establishment in 1979 and its 43-year existence, SASRIA has never experienced an event on the scale of the July unrest.

Thus far, SASRIA has emphasized that it has always been able to honour its financial obligations.
Public unrest, strikes, rioting, and acts of terrorism are encompassed in the risks covered by SASRIA’s short-term insurance.

Government has reaped dividends amounting to R12,8 billion from SASRIA.

However, in 2021 SASRIA faced its gravest challenge yet as a result of the July unrest which resulted in R32 billion worth of claims.
This hon House Chairperson, left SASRIA technically insolvent and unable to satisfy its financial commitments nor sustain its regulatory obligations such as a minimum solvency cover ratio of 100% mandated by the Prudential Authority.

Our goal as government is to ensure that SASRIA is financially stable.

In the current financial year, the government has given R22 billion to SASRIA to assist in settlement of claims and guarantee that the insurer has adequate capital to fulfil regulatory requirements.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 12 This comprises R3,9 billion through the Second Special Appropriation Act (2021), R11 billion through the Adjustment Budget, and R7, 1 billion through Section 16(1) of the Public Finance Management Act to respond to unforeseen and unavoidable events.
Beyond the financial responsibility, SASRIA, will also revise premiums, evaluate reinsurance agreements, and explore opportunities to expand its customer base to bolster its ability to respond to risks.

Hon members, it is important also to state the current socio-political context in which SASRIA is operating.

The macro-economic conditions of low economic growth, rampant inequality and high unemployment are taking place in tandem with the report from the Zondo Commission on State Capture.
As indicated during the budget speech, corruption is a major blight on the economy, it dilutes limited resources meant to serve the people of the country, weakens the capacity of the state to deliver, renders us fiscally more vulnerable, and erodes public trust in the state.

Therefore, it must be eroded at all costs.

Thank you, hon members, thank you House Chair, I now hand over to the House Chairperson.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 13 Mr N S BUTHELEZI: Hon Chairperson, hon Ministers and Deputy Ministers, hon members, ladies and gentlemen.

As we debate this Bill allow me to pay tribute to the young people of this country who, in 1976 and beyond, said “This far, no further”, with oppression, repression and exploitation of the majority by a minority who exploited hospitality of the owners of this country.

I’m talking about Motaung, Mogoerane, Mosololi, Xulu, Zondo ...
[Inaudible.]

... Ndwandwe, Mahlangu, and many other martyrs.

By the way all those people were hanged.

These are the young people who paid the ultimate price when they were hanged in Pretoria in Central Prison.

Let their deaths be not in vain.

The ANC supports the 2021 Second Adjustment Appropriation Bill.

The Bill gives effect to the adjustments to the appropriation of money from the National Revenue Fund for expenditure approved in 2021-22 financial year.
Also, adjustments are required to authorize expenditure approved in terms of section 6 of the Appropriation Act of UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 14 2021 and section 16 of the Public Finance Management Act, PFMA.

This Bill proposes additional allocations of R500 million for the requirement of the Department of Health vote 18 to continue funding for the COVID-19 vaccine programme authorized in terms of section 6 1(b) of the Appropriation Act of 2021.
It also proposed additional allocation of R18,1 billion to National Treasury vote 8 to provide for recapitalization of equity to the SA Special Risk Insurance Association, SASRIA.

This was authorized in terms of both the Appropriation Act and PFMA.
Hon members, these provisions of legislations allow the executive, through the Minister of Finance, to authorize use of money from the National Revenue Fund in instances like the July unrest which engulfed mainly the provinces of Gauteng and KwaZulu-Natal; also COVID-19, which wreaked havoc in our communities and businesses.
When this intervention happened in 2021, the situation was as follows: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 15 According to the quarterly labour force survey unemployment rate was at 34,4% at the end of Q2, 2021.

The highest unemployment rate since the start of the, Quarterly Labour Force Survey, QLFS in 2008.

The official unemployment rate among the youth was 44,2% in Q2, 2021; this included 11% of university graduates.
Many people were sick, hospitalised, in ventilators and many succumbed to COVID-19.

As you know, hon members, Parliament lost its members too.

The President of the Republic, his Excellency, Ramaphosa, summarizing the situation in his state of the nation address observed: For many, the fire was symbolic of the devastation caused by COVID-19 pandemic, by rising unemployment and deepening poverty.
It spoke to the devastation of a pandemic that, over the past two years, has taken the lives of tens of thousands of South Africans, put two million people out of work and brought misery families.

This statement aptly captures the state and the mood in our country, hon members.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 16 As if that pain was not enough, lightning strike again with unseen ferocity.

The July Gauteng and KwaZulu-Natal resulted in over 400 people dead.
According to the survey by the Department Trade, Industry and Competition, DTIC, 312 businesses in the manufacturing, 444 in retail and 240 in the services sector were affected.

Combined costs of damages were R7,4 billion and lost orders were R16,8 billion.

The cost to economic growth, employment and opportunity cost of resources that had to be diverted are huge.

But again, the wounds of apartheid, racism, bigotry and exploitation were laid bare.
Most business that were not insured by both SASRIA and other insurances were those owned by black people in townships and in rural areas.

The sad reality by DTIC was that: Most adverse production effects would be temporary, but some operations may not resume.

This means there are people who will never be able to get their jobs back.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 17 Our government did not throw its hands to the air.
On the contrary, it led from the front and championed the fight against this devastation.

This includes this House, in particular, and Parliament in general.

This Parliament made resources available to fight COVID-19 and effects of the July unrest to individuals, families and businesses.

It is no exaggeration to suggest that the previous battles we have won indicate that we are about to win the war.
Therefore, members, the Bill in front of us, the Second Adjustment Appropriation Bill, continues with that fight and it must be supported.

Hon members, the ANC supports the 2021 Second Adjustment Appropriation Bill to save lives and livelihoods.

I thank you.

[Applause.]

Ms B M VAN MINNEN: Thank you, House chair.

Appropriations should be an efficient vehicle for moving money within a fiscal year.
It is governed by constitutional provisions by various pieces of legislation and follows on a broad oversight and consultation process.

However, instead of understanding what the National Revenue Fund is and how withdrawals are governed, the ANC merely thinks it has an uncle in the UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 18 furniture business with money stuffed into cushions for some eventuality for when it needs cash to pay for the results of its ongoing internal wars.
The National Revenue Fund is not cash crusaders.

The ANC needs to understand that it cannot continue with its unlimited withdrawals to fund its ongoing self-enrichment at the expense of the people and the economy.
Among the appropriations this year is the transfer of R18 billion to SA Special Risk Insurance Association, Sasria, to cover insurance claims stemming from the July 21 unrest across parts of the country that saw destruction, looting and rioting resulting directly from ANC internal difficulties and factionalism, and for which the people of South Africa are now having to pay.
The SA Special Risk Insurance Association, Sasria, is an economic enabler but instead of enabling economic growth and the fiscal health of South Africa as is intended, it instead of merely enabler of the ANC.

How many times does South Africans pay for the ANC failures?

How many times has ANC destruction be repaired by hard working men and women who spent 27 years under the heel of ANC rapacity?

Where is the R500 million being utilised to the extra COVID-19 vaccines?
COVID-19 vaccines have proven highly UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 19 effective and helped save thousands of people’s lives.

It is also enabled the economy to reopen, companies to rehire and workers to go back to work.

However, it’s also a matter of too little too late.

Too much time has been wasted and too many business and economic opportunities squandered by leadership, too busy swapping deck chairs on the Titanic.
In contrast, the Western Cape government has been and continues to call for an end to lockdown and has worked tirelessly to show South Africans there is an alternative to the ANC.

The Western Cape is one of South Africa’s economic powerhouses has the lowest unemployment in the country which contribute over 15% to the country’s gross domestic products, GDP.
Exports to the Western Cape to keep overseas markets surged in 2021 despite the challenges of the Cape Town harbor and the reason the Cape Town harbor is a problem is because the ANC insists on Transnet controlling it, meaning, it has falling to the bottom of the log at number 347 out of 351. harbors in Africa.

This increase in exports occurred at the height of the restrictions which saw some governments closing down basically their entire economies.
Key among this was the ANC, who pursued the raft of its own destructive measures that did UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 20 nothing to support this nation at this time of crisis.

This brings us to the cost of living which is destroying South Africans, who, instead of living successful enabling lives are merely trying to keep their heads above water amid the wreckage caused by the sinking ship of state.
So, for friends, family and small good for nothing parasitical parties, destroying state institutions and buildings.

It is very clear and obvious to anyone not looking at the economy who glasses clouded by the gloom of dodgy ideology and instead focus on the clear blue water of the Western Cape.

However, our national fiscal position would be better if the ANC had opened the nation earlier and not constrain the vehicle of economic development with the dirty petrol of illogical restrictions and lockdown.
The fact remains that after 28 years of the ANC in this rule, instead of an uncle in the furniture business, the shop is closed and the warehouse has been looted by cadres and friends.

Thank you.

Mr M N PAULSEN: I am happy, I serve a glorious God and I serve a glorious movement; the Economic Freedom Fighters.

The Economic Freedom Fighters rejects the Second Adjustment Appropriations Bill.
The Second Adjustment Appropriations Bill is a money Bill introduced by the Minister of Finance in the UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 21 National Assembly to request us as Members of Parliament to give money to the SA Special Risk Insurance Association and money for COVID-19 vaccine.

As the EFF, we have consistently warned that parliamentary processes are outdated and need to be reviewed.

We need to look at how Parliament can be more responsive.
At the moment, the parliamentary program and the calendar only serves to rubberstamp the executive Bills and adopts reports to cover government incompetence and adopt Bills to allocate money when government and state entities have already spent the money.

We need a process to deal with money Bills so that we do not pass Bills when money has already been spent.

Chairperson, let us now deal with two allocations in the Second Adjustments Appropriations Bill.
Let us start with a R500 million allocations to the COVID-19 vaccine.

Initially, the Department of Health was meant to spend R6,6 billion but instead it spent R7,7 billion, which meant the shortfall of R1,1 billion.

The Treasury has already come up with R637 million and the additional R500 million is meant to cover the difference.
What is not said here today is that the R7,7 billion spent on vaccine was negotiated in secret and as members of Parliament we were denied access to UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 22 the so-called negotiated terms of the purchase.

What is also not being seen here is that even when there was Sputnik 5 from Russia and Sinovac from China those were going to cost far too less.
The incompetent Cabinet of Mr Cyril Ramaphalaphala misguided by the SA Health Products Authority, SAHPRA, and controlled by the white capitalist establishment was held band on the Western vaccines.

Mr B A RADEBE: Hon House Chairperson, I am rising on Rule 82, that we must refer to each other as ...

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): ... speak to the microphone I can’t hear you, hon member.

Mr B A RADEBE: I am rising on Rule 82, that we must treat each other in respectable terms.
He referred to the President with another name which is not his.

Thank you.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Yes, hon Paulsen, let us refer to each other in our proper names.

Do not add other things to this, please.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 23 Mr M N PAULSEN: I am really happy that when I said Ramaphalaphala ...

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon Paulsen!

Hon Paulsen ... Mr M N PAULSEN: ...

[Inaudible.]


... he thought that I was referring to Ramaphosa.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon Paulsen, hon Paulsen, I made a ruling in this regard you must now continue.

If you do it again you will have to withdraw the remark.

I am just cautioning you at this stage.

Mr M N PAULSEN: However, what it’s not being said today is that the Department of Health was incompetent and the government reactionary.
The SA vaccine program was late and as a result, hundreds of people who were supposed to be with us has passed on.

Death that could have been prevented.

The second one is the SA Special Risk Insurance Association, Sasria.

The 2021 July unrest is proof that the SA Special Risk Insurance Association, Sasria, model is also outdated just like the parliamentary program.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 24 The SA Special Risk Insurance Association is the state-owned company that provides insurance that covers against special events such as public disorder strikes, riots and terrorism.

That SA Special Risk Insurance Association could not cover the losses of individuals and companies that suffered from the 2021 July unrest as it is supposed to do, but cannot, it means its operating model is not appropriate or the ANC is not appropriate.
We must review the SA Special Risk Insurance Association.

The SA Special Risk Insurance Association must provide insurance for special risks without depending on the fiscus when there are special events.

However, also, it is time for the SA Special Risk Insurance Association to offer insurance to all South Africans.

The SA Special Risk Insurance Association must offer affordable insurance to black people who were exploited and discriminated by white-owned companies.
We should be debating recommendations about reworking the SA Special Risk Insurance Association remodel to create an insurance company that will offer affordable insurance.

The EFF rejects the Second Adjustment Appropriations Bill of this corrupt ANC.

Thank you very much, Chairperson.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 25 The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): The next speaker is hon Buthelezi.

Is the Hon Buthelezi on the platform?


Mr N SINGH: Hon Chairperson, it seems not, he wasn’t informed.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): You may proceed, hon Singh.

You may come to the podium if you are here, hon Singh.

Come to the podium.

Mr N SINGH: Thank you, hon Chairperson and I’ll take under 4 minutes.

Chairperson, we live in desperate and uncertain times.
The events that gave rise to this Appropriation Bill could not have been predicted and exposed weak points in government preparedness in respect of infectious disease, pandemics and civil unrest.
This Second Adjustment Appropriations Bill provides for government budgetary allocations for the procurement of additional vaccines in the fight against COVID-19 and in further enabling state-owned short term insurer SA Special Risk Insurance Association to provide insurance relief for persons and businesses who were affected by the July 2021 unrest, KwaZulu-Natal and Gauteng.
We remain firmly within the grips of COVID-19, even with the trajectory of the disease now UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 26 heading towards becoming endemic, we should not for one second become complacent thinking that the worst is past.

This period must, therefore, be used to build further resilience into our health and emergency response measures, to deal with future coronavirus outbreak as when and where they occur.
COVID-19 has exposed the weaknesses inherent in our health care systems and these must be strengthened.

Chairperson, by the end of November last year and in relation to the July unrest in the provinces of Gauteng and KwaZulu-Natal, the SA Special Risk Insurance Association had received just over 14 000 insurance claims totaling some R32 billion.

The largest claims coming from retailers, shopping malls and warehouses.
The above unrest in resultant damage have only further weakened our already limping economy and countless jobs have been lost as a result thereof.

Government is doing all it can to recompense losses and incurred by business by financially backing SA Special Risk Insurance Association in short claims through the Second Appropriation Bill.

Chairperson, this appropriation budget has to be welcomed as it shows government’s intention to assist business and restore investor confidence in South Africa.
However, government must also focus on improving co-ordination UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 27 in our intelligence structures, which played a huge role in the unpreparedness of the security cluster response to the July civil unrest.

The IFP supports the Second Adjustment Appropriations Bill.

I thank you.
I thank you.

Mr W W WESSELS: Hon House Chairperson, at the core of this Second Appropriation Adjustments Bill is the question concerning the effectiveness of government, its planning and how the budgeting process works.

If one goes and have a look, firstly, for the reason at the need for this R18 billion for South African Special Risk Insurance Association, Sasria, one cannot talk about and debate this Adjustment Appropriation Bill without reflecting on the reason for the unrest.
The reason for the looting, the reason for what happened just about a year in KwaZulu-Natal and Gauteng.

This side of the House cannot sit here and just throw hands in the air and think that they are not responsible for the looting, corruption and the destruction of livelihoods and properties.
Your inefficiency to prevent, to actually see it coming, to actually act, to not just sit and see it happening and then want to appropriate funds to solve the situation is at the core of the problems of this country.

The fact that you just sit back and you just watched as spectators.

Let me say UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 28 hon Chairperson that you are not spectators.
You are the ruling party although you cannot rule, although you cannot govern, you are supposed to be governing.

Your criminal intelligence, your intelligence services should not be keeping your Executive safe but it should actually be doing its job in preventing crimes from happening, in preventing what happened last year from happening and that is where your government failed.

If one looks at the vaccines hon House Chairperson, there is about 7 million doses of vaccines about to expire now.
That is the money we are appropriating now but it is a lack of planning and it is a lack of efficiency by government that is leading to money that is going to waste.

What we are appropriating here hon Buthelezi, Chairperson of the committee is wasted in less than a week’s time.

We are appropriating R500 million that is wasted because those vaccines are expiring because of the lack of efficiency by the Department of Health.

A lack of planning and a lack of seeing what is coming.
Afrikaans: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 29 Agb Voorsitter, ’n tekort aan om oor die bult te kan sien en te kan sien wat gaan gebeur.

U kan nie net agteroor sit en dink dat alles net in weelde gaan wees nie.

Daar is probleme en u moet die probleme kan voorspel en u moet kan optree.

Maar soos altyd, agb Voorsitter, oorskry u arrogansie u intelligensie.
Ek dank u. English: Mr S N SWART: Hon House Chair, this Bill proposes the allocation of additional funding mainly the R18 billion to South African Special Risk Insurance Association, Sasria.

We all know the July unrest in 2020 one events the disorder riots and unrest led to an extensive damage and accounted for 70% and 30% of the loses in KwaZulu-Natal and Gauteng for Sasria.
The ACDP agrees that the support provided to Sasria as the payment of claims is important to support the recovery of businesses especially in small, medium-size businesses that have been hard hit by the unrest.

What we are concerned about is that to date very few people have been held responsible for this widespread wanton destruction and tragic loss of lives.

Taxpayers are yet again having to foot the bill for this orchestrated insurrection.

The High Level Expert Panel Report is incisive.


It found out UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 30 that while the looting, destruction and violence have come and gone what they found is that little has changed in the conditions that caused the unrest.

This leaves the public worried that there might similar eruptions of large scale unrests in future.

The question many argue as the panel found is not if and whether more unrest and violence will occur but when.
There is also worry that the violence has left a sense of uncertainty and vulnerability because of the ineffective response of the State Security Services.

That is the panel’s finding which is an appetite for lawlessness by those who might feel emboldened by the apparent lack of state capacity.
Perhaps the most significant input may which the panel hear, the panel said we heard this several times that what appears to be factional battles in the ANC have become a serious source of instability in the country.

Now, that is the panel requested by the President to investigate the unrest and this is a severe indictment on the majority party.
Again the question arises, why should taxpayers then foot the billions of rand needed to recapitalise Sasria when the majority party itself, as found by the High Level Expert Panel has become the source of instability?

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 31 It is obviously crucial that the findings of the panel are implemented to avoid the repeat.

Last year the ACDP takes note of the R500 million allocation to the Department of Health for Covid-19 vaccines.
Now we wish to emphasise that we are opposed to mandatory Covid-19 vaccines.

We oppose any attempts to the recently published health regulations to introduce a vaccine mandate through the back door and to discriminate between those who have been vaccinated and those who have not.

I thank you.

Mr N L S KWANKWA: Hon Chairperson, the UDM supports the Second Appropriations Bill.
IsiXhosa: Isizathu sokuwuxhasa yinto yokuba kudala sayithetha le nto, isathukuza le ncoko, into yokuba iSasria, Buthelezi ohloniphekileyo, niyayazi ukuba iyasiqhatha.

English: Even on its page, it talks about it was inspired by young and courageous people who shaped the course of history in South Africa referring to the Soweto Uprising of 1976.

In actual fact, it was not inspired by that.


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 32 IsiXhosa: Ngabelungu ababesoyika izixholoxholo zabantu abantsundu ngexesha kwakusilelwa inkululeko.

Ngabantu ababezama ukukhusela amashishini abo kuthi ... English: ... and riots taking place at that time.
Now, the crux of the matter and the reason I am raising this matter is because ... IsiXhosa: ... ukusukela oko le Sasria yasekwayo uza kuthi gaa ngoku ... English: ... we have never done anything to try and reposition it and try to make sure that it reaches ... IsiXhosa: ... abantu abaninzi, abantu abahluphekileyo nabantu abahlala ezilokishini zabantu abantsundu kuba iSasria ibingazukufuna ukuncedwa ngurhulumente ukuba bebekwazi ukuyithengisa le nto yabo.
English: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 33 If it was actively marketing its products into packages of insurances that are affordable that can be accessed ... IsiXhosa: ... ngabantu bakuthi.

Nangoku ukuba ungakhe ufumane ulwazi ... English: ... about the claims and the amount of money paid is that ... IsiXhosa: ... abona bantu abakhuselekileyo nabantu abanoSasria zinkampani ezinkulu zabantu abamhlophe bona bantu bawaziyo umsebenzi wayo ukuba yintoni.
English: For example, ordinary people only come across this name of the company when they take insurance for houses and or vehicles but there is nothing that actively sells this insurance.

IsiXhosa: Loo nto ithetha ukuba usomashishini oselokishini akasoze ayazi.

Enye into kufuneka xa sikhuphe imali sancedisa ezi UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 34 nkampani noba nguSasria lowo, sijonge ukuba le mali ayithotywa ngamlenze kusini na.
English: That these companies do not make claims for their benefit and find out that the socioeconomic conditions that were worsened by the riots are not exacerbated further even after the insurance pay-outs have taken place.

IsiXhosa: Asiyijongi loo nto ukuqinisekisa ukuba ... English: ... there are conditions that are attached to.

It is the same thing that happened, as the side issue and not part of this Adjustment Bill, the loan guarantee scheme.
IsiXhosa: Yinto efanayo le nale yenzeka kwimali-mboleko kuncediswa iinkampani ... English: ... with rates that are favourable but we did not follow up after the companies accessed the resources ... UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 35 IsiXhosa: ... ziqhubekile zaqesha abantu bakuthi kusini na.
English: The unemployment rate continues to shoot up but ... IsiXhosa: ... urhulumente ukhupha imali ... English: ... in bailing out these businesses in order for them to do what is right.

Another problem is the vaccines in South Africa.

IsiXhosa: Asifuni ukuba nencoko ngabantu abasweleke emva kokufumana ichiza.

Sibane sisithi ewe ziyabusindisa ubomi kodwa asifuni ukuthetha ngaba bantu babhubhe emva kokuhlaba.

Ndinabo mna abantu phaya ekhaya abathe basweleka emva kokuhlaba bafumane ichiza.

Enkosi.
Enkosi.

[Kwaphela ixesha.]

English: Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Hon House Chairperson, the NFP supports the Second Adjustment Appropriation Bill tabled here today.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 36 Chairperson, I want to send a message to ordinary South Africans.

This special Appropriation Bill is as a result, particularly to a large extent to what happened on July unrests.

What does it clearly tell us?


Money that could have been used to improve the quality of our people and deliver services to them are now redirected as a result of the damages that have been done due to the protesting.

There is nothing wrong in protesting and nothing wrong in raising concerns about the delivery of service but going out there and destroy the very same infrastructure and business that are responsible for economic growth to create jobs in this country, now this is because of it.
So, what I want to say is for South Africans to understand that you are now becoming the cause of why we are where we are today.

That is the first issue.

On the second one is the issue of vaccines.

I want to raise a concern that while I too have taken my vaccines, there is a lot of concerns that are raised currently in the country about the side effects of the vaccines.

The number of people that are now having cardiac arrest, stroke and many other illnesses are on the rise.
The time has come to investigate thoroughly by taking it into consideration that these vaccines were UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 37 developed, manufactured and distributed from a very short space of time and not even given enough time to ensure its efficacy.

So, whilst we support these, there are concerns that we want to raise.

Thank you very much, hon House Chairperson.


Mrs M C DIKGALE: Thank you very much hon House Chair, hon Ministers and Deputy Ministers, hon members and fellow South Africans.

The ANC supports the Second Adjustment Appropriation Bill.

Hon members, let me start by paying tribute to the young lions of 1976, the young boys and girls who faced the most feared brutal death of apartheid white minority government with stones and bare fists.
We owe our being here to the generation of Hector Petersen and all those who perished at the hands of the most brutal system of our times The Bill amongst others allocates R500 million to the Department of Health.

This is to pay for Covid-19 vaccines and related logistic costs.

This ...[Inaudible.]

... find already allocated to the Covid-19 funds.

Hon members, this means that R8,8 billion was allocated for this programme in the 2021/22 financial year.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 38 Hon members, they say we are all clever after the event.

This is true for some hon members in the opposition benches who blame the governing party for slow economic growth and high unemployment rates.

They have all of a sudden forgotten that this virus shock was unknown when it hit the world and our country.
No country has budgeted for it, no country could have foreseen it however the ANC led government was agile enough to mobilise resources in a very short space of time to buy vaccines first for frontline workers, elders and everyone else.

House Chair, I still remember some amongst us standing here saying the ANC led by his Excellency President Ramaphosa, Minister of Health, Cogta and the Cabinet had not budgeted for the vaccines.
Standing here, they did not want to believe government when it said there were enough resources in the budget to buy vaccines for everyone.

It is now common course that the South African government led by the ANC has enough stock of vaccines.

In fact, we now have over supply of vaccines.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 39 Hon members, it is because of this ANC government that stood and more than 35 million vaccine doses have been administered to about 20 million people.
While the second and third waves of covid were devastating.

There is no doubt that the latter variants were less severe and thanks to the availability of vaccines.

Hon members, the doubting Thomases among us must not let our people die, whether in churches or anywhere for that matter.
The World Health Organisation director Tedros commented that there is no doubt that the vaccine saved countless lives, the vaccines are assisting to the turn the tight on the pandemic and the vaccines are now giving many countries the confidence to relax restrictions.

They have indeed allowed our own country to open up so that people can go back to work and businesses can start operating.
Hon House Chair, despite the success we have scored, we are not lowering our guts and that is why the 2022/23 appropriation Bills allocates the Department of Health a further R2 billion for vaccines.

It will be amiss of me not to take a bow to all the frontline workers who defied the odds, demonstrating unseen bravery and UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 40 patriotism in protecting you and I as we were fighting this stealth disease.
The health workers deserve a special mention.

Some of our patriots perished in that fight.

We shall forever be indebted to them.

We join our Minister Joe Phahla in gratitude and I wish to take the opportunity to express our gratitude to our gallant health workers who have been and all remain the front line worriers against the Covid-19 pandemic just as they have done against HIV, human immunodeficiency virus, and Aids.
Minister Phahla there, there is no doubt that this enemy will be defeated like the June 16 worriers defeated apartheid.

Hon members, there’s definitely vaccine hesitancy in our country especially amongst the young people.

Let us continue to persuade them to vaccinate for their own good, their families, for fellow students, fellow workers and our country.

This is youth month, go and vaccinate.

Hon members, so that there is no confusion, let us understand what not supporting the Bill means.
It means you are not supporting the vaccination of workers, not supporting the Bill means that no research on vaccine should take place and not UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 41 supporting the Bill means that you are saying it is right for young people to be unemployed.

Let me close by quoting his Excellency President Ramaphosa.

“Vaccines dramatically reduce the chances of severe illness, hospitalisation and death.” The ANC supports 2021 Second Adjustment Bill.
Thank you very much Chair.

Mr R A LEES: Hon Chair, with your permission may I leave my camera off, I’m in a weak signal area, thank you very much.

Hon Chair, much of what my old friend hon Buthelezi and Dikeledi have said about the good work that has been done by front line workers and so on, we have to concur with.
However, the adjustments appropriation bill is essentially a rubber stamp to approve funding already authorised by use of section 16 of the PFMA, Public Finance Management Act, and section 6 of the Appropriation Act.
This use of section 16 of the PFMA is yet another abuse of section 16 as was done in 2017 when Malusi Gigaba, the then UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 42 Minister of Finance, cynically used section 16 to pay SAA, South African Airways, a bailout of R2,207 billion.

Hon Buthelezi will remember the controversy around that bailout.
But never fear, whilst the Minister of Finance has not abused section 16 to secretly bailout SAA this time round, there is still a further R3,5 billion SAA bailout to come in the Medium-Term Budget Statement.

This will bring the total taxpayer bailouts of SAA just since 2007 to a mind-boggling R51 billion.

The question is why has section 16 of the PFMA not been invoked to provide the comparatively small R1 billion funding for the KZN flood devastation?
Why was this R1 billion promise made by President Ramaphosa and yet two months after the floods not a cent has yet been provided?

The ANC are happy to abuse section 16 to bankroll a bankrupt, mismanaged and raped SAA but not to provide funds for the desperate people of KZN.

The bald hypocrisy of the ANC is laid bare when they pontificate about spending R14,5 billion to save 1000 jobs at SAA but not spending R1 billion to save the people of KZN.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 43 It is ANC hypocrisy that says the 1 000 SAA employees are more important than the 800 SA Express employees, the 700 Mango employees and the 2 000 Comair employees.

It is ANC hypocrisy that says it is more important to provide R14,5 billion to an SAA convicted of uncompetitive trading than to provide the R1 billion in damages owed by SAA to Comair.
It is ANC hypocrisy that provides R14,5 billion to a lost cause SAA but not the R900 million ticket sales stolen from Airlink by SAA.

It is ANC hypocrisy that allowed banks to coerce them into placing SAA in Business Rescue even though loans by banks to SAA were quite safely secured by government guarantees.

Chair, the massive government guarantees of R19,7billion were issued to SAA with absolutely no parliamentary participation let alone approval.
Hon Chair, I have before Parliament a private members bill that is completely non-partisan and that is a first step UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 44 towards reigning in the issuing of ill-conceived government guarantees.

I am firmly convinced there can be no rational reason for the ANC not to support this Bill.

I sincerely hope that they do support the Bill.


Hon Chair, the bottom line is that South Africa is burdened with a lame duck President and a poverty cabinet with the majority of ministers being incompetent and useless.

Thank you very much.

Mr Z MLENZANA: Greetings to you hon Chairperson, hon members and South Africans.

Let me start by saying, the ANC supports the Bill.


Rev Hlongwane of the Methodist Church of Southern Africa said to me one day, I am quoting him: “Our democracy has been undermined by those who claim to be democratic leaders” My response to him Mqwathi was that, look ... IsiXhosa: ... mfundisi yintshumayelo enkulu ke lena, ifuna ixesha elifanelekileyo.
English: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 45 However, the hallmark of demagogues and charlatans and their ability to sell is these suicidal solutions to poor masses, when the nation is confronted with complex and difficult problems, is what is always running within their bloods.

The pages of history are littered with such charlatans, some who led the whole nations to the brink of destruction.
The fascists in Europe such as Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini who plunged the nations of Germany and Italy respectively, then to devastation of the Second World War, are prime examples of what we are actually talking about.
I need not talk about Nongqawuse ... IsiXhosa: ... abantu abangamaXhosa ... English: ... would know that, the young woman was believed to have a spiritual gift, claimed that ancestors appeared to her and said AmaXhosa ... [Interjections] ...should destroy their crops and kill their cattle because, by so doing the dead would arise.

[Interjections.]
[Interjections.]

But needless to say, the dead did not arise but ... UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 46 IsiXhosa: ... abantu bakuthi ... English: ... suffered a lot.
The incidents of July 2021 where people were mobilized to destroy economic infrastructure and businesses that served them in KwaZulu-Natal and Gauteng based on false promises, were examples of a brief triumph of demagogues and charlatans like the ones who disrupted this House’s sitting Chief Whip only last week, in their feeble attempt steal political power.

They say, because they are the fascists of Europe, theirs is the minority cause.
IsiXhosa: Bayayibona abantu bakuthi le nto niyenzayo ... English: ... and they are no longer happy.

IsiXhosa: Abasayiqhwabeli zandla, badikiwe.

English: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 47 Unfortunately, whenever such incidents of destruction occur, it is the state which has to pick up the pieces and repair that which is broken.

These incidents of unrest dealt a double blow to our economy.
IsiXhosa: Beligqiba ukutsho apha ilungu elihloniphekileyo uDikgale ... English: ... that, we were coming from or we were still in COVID-19 at the time.

The state-owned insurance companies SA Special Risk Insurance Association, Sasria which was established in 1979 to manage the property damages during political unrests, experienced the biggest loss in this history by the year ending 31 March 2022.
They lost R27,8 billion before tax as compared to a profit that they used to make of R2 billion in the previous years.

The ANC supports this Second Adjustment Appropriation Bill because it is an intervention by government to effect adjustment to appropriation of money, from national revenue of expenditure approved in the 2021 financial year.
IsiXhosa: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 48 Gqaba-gqaba ezi mali, English: ... this R18,1 million ... IsiXhosa: ... kubonakala ngokungathi niyayincwinela ... English: ... we support it, because the number of claims to Sasria shot up to 20 000 in the 2021 financial year as compared to 3 000 in the previous years.

Government had intervened because the record level claims of Sasria.
A total of R22 billion was needed, R3,9 billion was provided, R7,1 billion provided through section 16(1), R11 billion through section 16(1)(b).

This R22 billion has been helpful to Sasria to settle claims and recover its solvency cover ratio, SCR which had dropped below the minimum of 100% as required by the Prudential Authority.
Perhaps, let me quickly say, much as we understand that Sasria ... IsiXhosa: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 49 ... usebenza kakuhle ... English: ... but we are noting that its beneficiaries are mostly ... IsiXhosa: ... aba bantu babonakala namhlanje bengafuni ukuba uphunyezwe lo Mthetho-oyilwayo.

English: How we wish ... IsiXhosa: ... ukuba abantu baseMzantsi Afrika ... English: ... could be taking care of.
The second part is that, you have an unholy and undemocratic alliance and their friends in the one-man led parties like EFF and ACDP as well as the remnants of the apartheid fascism in the FF Plus, who are busy rejecting this Bill.

The FF Plus ...

[Interjections.]

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Thank you, just a ... UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 50 Mr M N PAULSEN: On a point of order Chair.

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Just take a pause.
Is that a point of order?

Take your seat hon Mlenzana.

Mr M N PAULSEN: Chairperson, the point ...[Interjections.]

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Is that a point of order hon Paulsen?

Mr M N PAULSEN: The EFF is led by a collective ...[Interjections.]

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Hon Paulsen, hon Paulsen that is not a point of order.

Take your seat.

Go ahead hon Mlenzana.


Mr Z MLENZANA: FF Plus, we don’t want to be reminded by yourselves on how you infiltrated our organisation, as far back as the underground times in exile and up to now.

IsiXhosa: Nize kuma apha nisiqhayisela ngento yokuba ... UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 51 English: ... you are busy infiltrating our intelligence system, sinijongile (we are watching you.)
However, going forward we must ensure that, the state in the light of what I have just said is strengthened in all respects to defend the communities, defend workers, defend businesses across.

When we are saying businesses, we are talking of ... IsiXhosa: ... aba bantu bahlala esitratweni begodola phaya, babe aba baze kuthi namhlanje abafuni kuvunwe lo Mthetho-oyilwayo ekuebni iza kuncedisana nabo.
Sithetha ngaba bantu batsha bazizamelayo abathi nabo ... English: ... in the name that some of them have been mobilised ... IsiXhosa: ... kukho into entsha ngoku Sihlalo apho kuthiwa kubantu bakuthi, siya kuqhankqalazo okanye imatshi ... English: ... only to find that ... UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 52 IsiXhosa: ... ngumtabho.

English: People are now mobilized to disrupt this country and we want to warn South Africans ... IsiXhosa: ... ukuba mabahlale bethe qwa.
English: There is no one who is going to wake up to come and change this constitutional democracy.

Here we have got a patriotic majority, which has got a right to speak out.

Don’t be this minority that is taking chances as if South Africa doesn’t have a Constitution.
IsiXhosa: Ufumanise ukuba ... English: ... they just wake up mobilising people, marching just because they are not satisfied ... UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 53 IsiXhosa: ... yindlela i-ANC ekhokela ngayo ... English: ... and think that tomorrow there will be no ANC.

Let us go and campaign ... IsiXhosa: ... ukwenzela ukuba abantu bakuthi bathethe evotini.

English: This that we have is a constitutional democracy.
There is no way ... IsiXhosa: ... apho siza kuvumela khona abantu abangathi bagqwethekile abasuka bavumbuluke becinga ukuba siza kusuka sithi uMongameli makeme ecaleni.

English: Who are you to tell us ... IsiXhosa: ... ukuthi uMongameli owonyulwe sithi makeme ecaleni?

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 54 English: Who are you?

Who are you?

Why should we be told by you?

The AMC supports this Bill.

I thank you.

[Applause.]


The ACTING MINISTER OF FINANCE (M Gungubele): Thank you hon Chair.

Can you hear me?

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): We can hear you.

Go ahead Minister.

An HON MEMBER: On a point of order Chairperson.

The ACTING MINISTER OF FINANCE (M Gungubele): Hon Chair, may I take this opportunity to express my gratitude to a very healthy robust engagement on initiatives and efforts whose attempt is to take South Africa forward.

One appreciates the honesty ...[Interjections.]


Ms E N NTLANGWINI: On a point of order House Chair.

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Just pause Minister.

What is the point of order?

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 55 Ms E N NTLANGWINI: Thank you House Chair.

It is very disappointing that we are debating the Appropriation Bill, and the National Treasury custodian leadership is not in the House.

They are not there.

It is in fact ...

[Interjections.]


The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): That is not a point of order.

Please take your seat.

That is not a point of order.

Go ahead Minister.

Ms E N NTLANGWINI: It is a sad day for ...

It is a sad day.

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Go ahead Minster.

The ACTING MINISTER OF FINANCE (M Gungubele): Thank you very much hon Chair.

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): You are not going to repeat that.

You are not going to repeat that hon Ntlangwini.


Go ahead Minister.

The ACTING MINISTER OF FINANCE (M Gungubele): Thank you hon Chair.

Our understanding in the Treasury is that, we are doing everything to make sure that we reduce the liabilities of this country.

We reduce all factors that mitigate against healthy UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 56 fiscal framework, that position this country on a recovery path, that improves the credit worthiness of this country.
So that we continue to secure points from the investors’ ratings, so that we continue to create an environment which improves being a destination for investment.

It is only when you pay these liabilities.

It is only one make sure that we are geared, to deal with contingencies of this nature.

Thank you to hon members for actually supporting this item with that at the back of their minds.

Thank you very much hon Chair.

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Thank you.
Are there any objections to the Bill being read for the first time?

No objections.

Bill read a first time (Freedom Front Plus, African Christian Democratic Party, Economic Freedom Fighters and Democratic Alliance dissenting).

Report Agreed to.
Report Agreed to.

SECOND ADJUSTMENT APPROPRIATION BILL 2021-22 FINANCIAL YEAR UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 57 (Second Reading) isiZulu: Mnu N S BUTHELEZI: Ngiyabingelela Sihlalo namalungu ahloniphekile onke eNdlu ... English: The African National Congress supports the Appropriation Bill 2022 B7 IsiZulu: Mhlawumbe ngingakaqhubeki nje bengazi ukuthi vele ...

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Just pause, hon Buthelezi.

Just take your seat.


There’s a long pause with the secretary today.

We going to ask the secretary to read order five.

It’s taking long.

SECOND ADJUSTMENT APPROPRIATION BILL 2021-22 FINANCIAL YEAR (Second Reading) IsiZulu: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 58 Mnu N S BUTHELEZI: Malungu ahloniphekileyo mina bengazi ukuthi ilungu elihloniphekile uMazamba uma eqala ukukhuluma uzokhuluma ngamabhanoyi ese-SAA ngathi kukhona inyanga eyambulala yase iyalahleka.
English: We are talking about the Adjustment Appropriation hon Mazambane ... IsiZulu: ... uqhamuka uzositshela ngamabhanoyi.

Sikhuluma ngeSasria, awusho lutho ngayo.

Sikhuluma ngemigomo awusho lutho ngayo.

Wena uyazindizela nje.

[Uhleko.]

Uyandiza, uyabhabha.

English: I dedicate my debate to those visionaries who congregated in Kliptown at the congress of the people and drafted the historic document the Freedom Charter.

I say they are visionaries because their ideas have mostly outlived them.
Their ideas are as relevant today as they were 67 years ago.

Even the June 16th generation was motivated by ideals of the Freedom Charter.

IsiZulu: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 59 Mazambane ngibuyele kuwena, siyizwile i-commercial yakho ye- private members bill kodwa ibekwe kabi [ is misplaced.]

[Uhleko.]

Ayizindizele njalo iye lapho ifuna ukuya khona.

[Uhleko.]

English: The ACTING HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Hon Buthelezi, apologies please take your seat.
Take your proper seat down there on the ground.

[Laughter.]

We apologise hon Buthelezi but I hope after this the secretary will be well settled.

I am going to invite the secretary to read the Sixth Order.

There was no debate.

Bill read a second time APPROPRIATIONS ON APPROPRIATION BILL (Consideration of Report of Standing Committee) The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: Thank you very much House Chair, I move that the Report be adopted by this August House.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 60 There was no debate.

The Chief Whip of the Majority Party moved: That the Report be adopted.

Motion agreed to (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front Plus, African Christian Democratic Party and United Democratic Movement dissenting).

Report accordingly adopted.


APPROPRIATION BILL (First Reading debate) IsiZulu: Mnu N S BUTHELEZI: Ngiyabonga Sihlalo, ngiqhubeka ngithi ukuze abantu bakithi bazi ukuthi ukuphikisa lo Mthethosivivinyo kuchaza ukuthini.

Namhlanje sibhekene nesabiwomali.

Iphalamende ihlezi la izothi akuphume imali kuhulumeni iyokhokhela izingane zakithi esikoleni, ikhokhele izibhedlela, inike ogogo izimali, kukhokhelwe izingane zethu ezisemanyuvesi.
Uma iqembu leliphikisayo lithi alihambisani nalo Mthethosivivinyo, ithi mazingenziwa lezo zinto.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 61 Ngiyethemba nilalele bogogo ukuthi labantu enibakhethile beze la bathini.

English: The main declaration that was made then is that South Africa belongs to all who live in it.

This does not suggest that we should be happy above the geographical location.
Belonging to South Africa also means equal access to its wealth below and above the ground.

Hence our people were unequivocal in declaring the people shall share the country’s wealth.

Also the land shall be shared amongst those who work it.

There shall be work and security.

Hon members, the Appropriation Bill is still in place of these Freedom Charter ideas.

Consolidated government expenditure is R2,2 trillion for 2022-23.

Expenditure by national vote is R1,057 trillion.


That’s what is divided among the different national departments.

This represents an increase R282,3 billion compared to the 2021 budget.
Chairperson, centuries of colonialism, decades of apartheid misrule of the benefit of less than 10% of our population, COVID-19 pandemic, July 2021 unrest, the recent storms and UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 62 floods, all have increased the number of people that need government’s intervention for free services.

Hon members, the Bill allocates R1,121 trillion for social wage based on consolidated expenditure for free services for the most vulnerable.
This budget, we are saying is redistributive and is pro poor.

According to the quarterly labour survey, our economy produced 370 000 new jobs in Q1 2022 – a positive development indeed.

The challenge of high rates of unemployment still remains.

The Presidential Employment stimulus produced 879 000 jobs in agriculture, education, health and many other sectors.

We therefore welcome the R9 billion allocation to this programme.

It will create 513905 new jobs opportunities.


Mr President, we would like to suggest that let us also include the SOEs and agencies within this initiative.

Eskom, Transnet, Prassa, DBSA, NEF, IDC and any other provincial SOEs DFIs made good partners of this programme.

The engineers, accountants, finance and accounting graduates, artisans may be absorbed by these institutions without added financial obligations.

Also many of law and accounting graduates cannot find placements for their articles.
We are proposing that we UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 63 look at small firms, especially black and women-owned firm partnerships.

This will definitely provide a win-win outcome.

Chairperson, the Department of Trade and Industry and Competition is allocated R10,859 billion in this Bill.

This department is very critical for Economic Reconstruction and Recovery plan.
It is critical in championing localisation, industrialisation, black empowerment and economic transformation and fighting against uncompetitive behaviour in business.

However, we are saying without fear of contradiction that the resources allocated to DTIC do not correlate to the responsibilities.

Upfront, we are calling for more resources to this department, hon Minister, when MBPS is tabled.
Statistics SA gives South Africa good news that our GDP grew by 1,9% in Q1 2022 taking GDP above the level of preCOVID -19 level.

Lest we forget hon members this happened despite July unrest shock to the economy.

These numbers are not just mana, they are reflecting the agility and responsiveness of our government to that dark cloud which befell our country.
We agree with Mr Patel when he said: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 64 we have to grasp the lesson that absence of economic justice places the burden of climate, social or geopolitical disruptions on those in society that can least afford to shoulder these burdens.

That must be corrected with this budget.

We would like see an addition to 400 000 workers who acquired shares at companies like Shoprite, Burger King, and imperial.
Those were the interventions of a competition committee.

Hon members, these lessons of dealing with unexpected shocks must be put in good use in dealing with KZN and Eastern Cape floods, we urge government to fast-track this process.

Chairperson, unfortunately, there is no substitute for inclusive economic growth that will ensure that we have more jobs opportunities, high revenues by Sars, higher disposable income.

We reduce the sovereign debt.


We reduce the deficit and more importantly, we decrease inequality and poverty.

We believe as the ANC that government must use its buying power to fast-track localisation and broad-based economic empowerment.

The push back on economic transformation by the beneficiaries of the largees of the colonialism and apartheid is there for everyone to see.
They are using every check to UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 65 stop the rightful owners of this country to have access to the land of their forefathers and foremother.

The Public Procurement Bill must be strong on the following and we urge the hon members when they look at that Bill then they ensure that the Bill enforces a fair and transparent process.
Most importantly, it must be unambiguous and unequivocal on preferential procurement for black people, women and African women, youth and in particular black and African youth.

It must be unforgiving on malfeasance and corruption.

It must be very strong on localisation.

That will allow the budget that this Parliament passes to be used for economic growth and transformation.

Hon members, let us be very careful and watch those who want to equate black economic empowerment to corruption.
We cannot allow black economic empowerment to be criminalised.

Corruption knows no colour.

There is nothing black in the corruption of Steinhoff.

The defrauding of state during the 2010 World Cup collusive behaviour, the misrepresentation of annual financial statements by Tongaat Hulletts for years with the collusion of some of the big auditing firms.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 66 We agree with the president in his address to the BBC when he said: Now more than any other time in our history, we need to undertake the task of empowerment with greater intensity and purpose in the face of resistance and those who use the new weapon called law faire meaning people always go to court when it has to come to the empowerment of black people.

Let’s guard against that.

That’s what the President warn.


We shouldn’t allow that hon members.

IsiZulu: Asiyibheke le nto.

Sithi ukukhohlakala akunabala.

Abantu abakhohlakele ubathola yonke indawo.

English: Let that not be used to stop economic transformation.

The people of this country have got their right to their economy, especially in the over R2 trillion budget of this Parliament.

[Applause.]

We can’t be sitting here.

IsiZulu: Sihlezi ngalesabiwomali siyasibona siyadlula.
Simi thina, iyangena iyaphuma kodwa abantu bakithi abahlomuli kuyo.

English: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 67 Hon members, the elephant in the room as we urge you to approve this budget is underspending, wasteful and fruitless expenditure and adverse audit outcomes.

The ANC supports the Bill.

I thank you.

[Applause.]

Debate concluded.


Bill read a first time (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, African Christian Democratic Party, Freedom Front Plus and United Democratic Movement dissenting).

BUSINESS SUSPENDED AT 12:45 AND RESUMED AT 14:00.

Dr D T GEORGE: Hon Chairperson, the Appropriation Bill saves up spending from the National Revenue Fund and must be considered within the broader context.

The budget process is fundamentally flawed.


It does not ensure that the people’s money is spent in the best possible way.

The Financial and Fiscal Commission has advised that their recommendations were not properly taken into consideration especially on rapidly rising debt, endless bailouts on state-owned enterprises and systemic corruption in the public financial system.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 68 I asked the National Treasury on how they can award themselves an excellent score on budgeting, when our public finances clearly not effectively managed?

The director-general responded that 170 municipalities are financially dysfunctional, that 61% of all municipalities.
We see that dysfunction when the people must navigate potholes, run out of water, watch their cities and towns fall apart, while government waste and steal their money and pretends that everything is well.

A government that is out of touch and does not care.

The public financial collapse in not only local.

The national government promised R1 billion in relief to KwaZulu-Natal after the floods, but does not have any money to give them.
Government promised the R350 grant to the most vulnerable people disparate for some relief of the distress.

It never paid them and left them hungry.

Government has run out of money and no amount of borrowing can fix what the ANC has broken.

Government has eaten away the foundations of our economic potential.

One corrupt riddled bite after the other.


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 69 The role of government is to provide infrastructure, education, health care, a social security net and a safe and secure environment.

A foundation to lift all who live in South Africa out of poverty and enable everyone to become everything that they are capable of becoming.

That is the job of government.

To lightly regulate where necessary.

Take action should the market failure occur.


And then get out of the way for business to generate the jobs we desperately need.

The ANC-led government believes that a broken, incapable state and a bankrupt state on enterprises can generate jobs and economic growth.

Are you really so far out of touch with reality or are you just glazed over with greed?
As you feast at the trout and you avoid the hungry eyes of children in KwaZulu-Natal and the Eastern Cape who are eating sand and boiled grass and who will never know the taste of a piece of chicken or meat or the better future promised to us all when we stood in never ending queues in April 1994 to choose peace over war and freedom over tyranny.

That hope was crushed.

One failed economic policy after the next.


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 70 What will they say about four or more million US dollars or 63 million rand hidden in a furniture of the President, whose poverty Cabinet lets them starve?

The Financial Action Task Forces warned South Africa that it needs to improve the prosecution of financial crimes.
If there is insufficient progress by October, we will be placed on the grey list of countries that pose the risk of the international financial system.

This will have dire consequences on the ability of our banks to transact internationally and on incoming capital flows.

A symptom of a failing state.

Government can intervene in the event of a market failure, but it should not cause that failure.
The failed Black Economic Empowerment model distorted the labour market by restricting access to jobs on the basis of race and prevented private business from operating efficiently by enforcing rent seeking arrangements in the name of transformation.

[Applause.]

The unconstitutional practice of cadre deployment meant that incapable politically connected cronies mismanaged the public service to the point of collapse.

Public Sector Wages spiralled upwards on the back of political patronage.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 71 During the International Monetary System, IMS’s recent visit, we discussed our growth’s prospects and they reported their concern over public debt.

The Public Sector Wage will end Eskom.

No power, no growth.

Eskom has piled up a mountain of debt that bond investors find very attractive because of its perceived risk free premium yields.
They must understand that it is not risk free, unless it is specifically underwritten by government and then there is still risk of default as public debt shifts upward.

Government cannot borrow our economy into sustainability.

Debt repayments are appropriated first and crowds out spending on the basic service that government was elected to deliver.

Provincial allocations are reduced, while bloated national departments get higher priority.
We have a young population and a culture of entrepreneurship that government policy has failed to leverage.

Without decent education, all of that potential talent is lost.

Our big and growing informal economy contributes to our lower growth rate and reforms to increase access to finance than simplifying registration and regulatory requirements for UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 72 new firms can help them grow and bring them into the tax net overtime.
Our economy needs investment capital to grow.

Local business and foreign investors are holding mountains of investable cash, but will not invest it because they do not trust government.

Domestic savings needs to be encouraged and the best way to do this is to reduce the tax burden on hard working South Africans.

Tax is theft, when government mismanages and steals the people’s money.

Hard working taxpayers whose money is wasted and stolen would have every right to withhold it.
This Bill is not appropriated efficiently and we do not support it.

Thank you, Chairperson.

[Applause.]

Mr M N PAULSEN: Hon Chairperson, may I start off by saying that the rejects this Appropriations Bill.

The Appropriations Bill is the Money Bill that is introduced by the Minister of Finance and Parliament passes it to allocate money to national departments and state-owned entities.
When we debated previous Appropriations Bills, we demonstrated that the National Treasury austerity programme is not sustainable.

All these budget cuts have an impact on the lives of our people.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 73 It is unfortunate that the Parliamentary Budget Office and Financial and Fiscal Commission, who are supposed to work with the Standing Committee on Appropriations to consider the proposed Appropriation Bill and make necessary amendments have turned into National Treasury cheerleaders.
Our society is facing a deep-rooted problem of gender-based violence, GBV, and is in serious of a well capacitated Police Service, and because of budget cuts the SA Police Service, SAPS, had to cut about 600 staff.

Thohoyandou Police Station has one of the highest GBV reported cases, but the police station does not even have clear processes for helping victims of gender-based violence when they come to report.
The so- called gender-based violence desk at police stations, do not have necessary capacity or resources.

We personally went to the police station in Nyanga and it is not there.

What is shocking, is that as Parliament, we passed the Criminal Law Forensic Procedure Amendment Bill and the Cyber Crime Act, all of which will need money.

What budget cuts?

The National Prosecuting Authority, NPA’s, budget is being cut by more than R400 million purposefully.
Even though calls have UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 74 been made for a stable funding to deal with high-levels of case backlog.

The people of Hamanskraal in Gauteng, Giyani and Musina in Limpopo and many other areas do not have dependable and clean portable water.

The people of the Northern Cape and the Free State continue to be subjected to bucket toilets.
The Department of Employment and Labour is failing to build the capacity to lead the government’s drive to create jobs, but the department failed to spend R584 million in the previous financial year.

There is no suggestion that the proposed budget will make any difference.

Instead, some in the ruling party believe that the government will solve the unemployment crisis by depending on the private sector to create jobs.

It is not going to happen.


We have budget cuts in the Department of Social Development even when our society is dealing with deep-rooted social problems and there is a need of social workers.

The SA Social Security Agency, Sassa, is closing more and more social grant pay points leaving many in the rural areas stranded.

They must UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 75 spend the money they do not have to go and withdraw their social grant.
When we stand up here and reject these proposed budgets, we are not objecting to service delivery, we are objecting to the senseless budget cuts.

Hon Chairperson, in addition to budget cuts, we must still deal with a Bill that is missing critical funding areas.

We have a shortage of teachers in schools and a high teacher learner ratio, but we still do not have a budget allocated for reopening of teacher colleges.
We have a shortage of nurses in clinics and hospitals, and public health care has collapsed, but we do not have a budget allocation for reopening of nursing colleges There is no funding for Technical and Vocational Education and Training, TVET, colleges.

There is no funding for free higher education, despite all the promises.

There is no funding to address housing, roads and water infrastructure backlog.

There is no funding for sports, arts and culture.


Despite calls for funding to revive school’s sports and ensure equal gender pay.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 76 We need to do away with rubberstamping Treasury budgets and look at the needs of our people, to pass an Appropriation Bill that will change the lives of our people.

Until that happens the EFF rejects this Appropriation Bill.

Thank you very much.

[Applause.]


The TEMPORARY CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Thank you, hon Paulsen.

I now recognise hon E M Buthelezi.

Hon E M Buthelezi?

Not available.

I now recognise hon Singh.

You have extra work today.

Mr N SINGH: Thank you, hon Chairperson.

I’ve just been to Home Affairs and it was the swiftest job that they have done in changing surnames ...

[Laughter.]

... to Buthelezi.


Hon Chairperson, in the words of Jean-Baptiste Karr, “The more things change, the more they stay the same”.

It is true of this debate on Appropriations, albeit that some line items have been reduced and others have received an increase.

What is telling is the fact that austerity is not written within this budget.

It appears that our government is unable to trim the fat when it comes to superficial items that do not serve the greater population.
What is even more telling is the fact that the developmental priorities in building a capable state, UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 77 eradicating poverty and closing the gap of inequality, is not embedded within the Appropriation Bill.

When I echo the words, the more things have stayed the same, I can confidently pull a Hansard report on all the Appropriations debates held in this House since the First Parliament and you’ll see that very little has changed.
It is for this reason that to this day the local sphere of government has been marred in corruption and those who have continued to steal from the state have been treated with impunity.

To this day, monies have been cut to local governments, although it can be argued that this sphere is closest to the people in delivering on the needs of communities countrywide.
We have continued to neglect local and rural development, and therefore we continue to neglect the most pertinent needs of our people who are suffering in abject poverty and are suffering homelessness.

It would be an indictment on this government if expenditure items are being sent back to National Treasury when millions go hungry and even more people suffer the dire consequences of fruitless and wasteful expenditure.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 78 Others fill their pockets with the monies of the state, whilst others have nothing to fill their bellies with at night.

Monies that are wrongfully spent or even stolen from the public purse are all monies that could lift our people out of poverty.

South Africa needs a hand up and not a handout.


What South Africans want is to be and feel safe in their country, and they want to be financially secure and cushioned from corporate and state greed.

We must ensure that government sticks to this Appropriation sheet and by the financial year books must balance if we are to effect real and meaningful change in the lives of our citizens.

Having said that, we support this Bill.


However, hon Chairperson, I would like to raise another issue that deals with appropriations and that is the transfer of funds from national government or Treasury to provinces, to compensate them for infrastructure damage inflicted during the floods.

It’s a matter of concern that up to now the monies have not been transferred and we seem to see that there is some disjuncture in the way both the provinces and the National Treasury seem to be dealing with the matter.
Whilst we recognise and must emphasise that all money spent must be UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 79 fully accounted for and must be granted within the prescribed prescripts of the Public Finance Management Act, it is not acceptable that service delivery, the restoration of infrastructure and restoring the lives of people who have been homeless due to all of this, is not done expeditiously.
So, we would urge National Treasury and the Minister to ensure that there is no more talking past each other but talking to each other between national and provincial governments.

The TEMPORARY CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Thank you, hon Singh.

You’ve become a reliable substitute.

I now recognise hon Wessels from the FF Plus.

Mr W W WESSELS: Hon Chairperson, the biggest question is what is South Africa?

Is South Africa a developmental state?


Is this Appropriation Bill and the budget developmental in nature?

Let’s look at the characteristics of a developmental state.

Firstly, there should be a developmental ideology.

It should prioritise development.

Now, as the ANC government you talk development.

That’s true.

However, do you actually prioritise it or do you prioritise your own corruption, your own stealing and your own priorities above that of development?
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 80 Secondly, government leaders should advance this ideology and follow a determined economic strategy.

Is there a determined economic strategy?

Do you know?

Because it’s Patel versus Trevor Manuel with the developmental plan versus the economic growth plan, and that is how it has been forever.

There is no clear determined strategy.

You don’t know what your economic policy is.

Not even the ANC ... in your organisation knows.


Thirdly, institutional capacity should be there.

Is there institutional capacity?

No, because business cannot even obtain a simple trading permit.

Then there should be, and this is very important, a meritocratic appointment of officials, but no, you have a cadre deployment system.

You appoint people on everything except on merit.

You don’t appoint people to actually serve the people out there.

You appoint people because they are your cronies.


Then, public servants should be neutral.

Are public servants neutral?

No, because they are appointed in Luthuli House, and that’s why you are not a developmental state.

You are more of a welfare state, but you are also not a welfare state because UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 81 in a welfare state, education is prioritised.

So what are you?

What is this budget?


No, hon Buthelezi, it’s not that we don’t want service delivery when we say this Appropriation Bill is wrong.

We want service delivery, because whilst 40% of South Africans are hungry, you protect your own.

You spend money on the wrong priorities.

Let’s look at the crime rate ... an increase of 22%.

However, let’s look at the budget.

The budget increases VIP protection ... the protection of your Ministers, with 8% but the police budget increases with 4,5%.
How is that the correct priorities?

How can it be?

An amount of R3,5 billion ... spent on VIP protection whilst people are murdered and people are hungry.

That is why we reject this budget.

That is the problem with this appropriation.

Afrikaans: Maar die ANC juig en die ANC juig oor hierdie begroting, maar eintlik is hierdie begroting ...

[Onhoorbaar.]

[Tussenwerpsels.]

... English: The TEMPORARY CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Hon Wessels, just take a seat.
Hon Papo, you are not going to do a running UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 82 commentary.

The speaker is on the podium.

Go ahead, hon Wessels.

Mr W W WESSELS: I enjoy that, so carry on.

Corruption does not know colour.

You are absolutely correct.

However, you are colour obsessed.


You are obsessed with the past, hon Buthelezi and not with the present, with the present people suffering, with people not having access to education, with a shortage of teachers, a shortage of health officials, yet, you spend money on the wrong priorities.

Admit to the problem.

Admit to the actual inefficiencies within the organisation of the ANC and in the inefficiencies of government, and then we can get somewhere.
However, repeating the same rhetoric year in and year out ...

[Inaudible.]

[Time expired.]

Mr S N SWART: Chair, the Appropriation Bill proposes a total vote allocation of R1,57 trillion, which excludes the direct charges of R902 66 billion for this financial year.

Now, thankfully, the economic outlook has changed significantly since February’s Budget and the ACDP welcomes the higher than expected 1,9% gross domestic product, GDP, growth in the first quarter of this year.
However, it must be noted that that is the final quarter of last year’s Budget.

That increase comes amidst high inflation, rising interest rates and soaring fuel UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 83 prices in this financial year, which are weighing heavily on businesses and consumers.

Rising inflation is hurting lower and middle-class income households and negatively affects the country’s competitiveness and financing costs.
Subsequent further negative developments in the second quarter from 1 April have created new significant downside risks to the growth outlook and these factors include the global economic fallout from the protracted Russian-Ukraine war, the economic effect of the KwaZulu-Natal floods, persistent load shedding and heavier borrowing costs for businesses and consumers as the Reserve Bank’s interest rate rising cycle continues.

Let us not forget that a weakening currency also has a devastating impact.
Together, Eskom and Transnet present the most serious threat to much-needed economic growth in the country, with load shedding and challenges on freight rail and ...

[Inaudible.]

... at ports causing massive congestion.

Of course, as we know, the country should be benefitting far more from the commodity boom but rail and port challenges have largely stymied this potential.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 84 Of even further and greater concern is that about two thirds of South Africa’s 257 municipalities are in financial distress and require assistance from National Treasury.

According to the outgoing director-general, the Treasury cannot cope with the situation.

Members, listen carefully.

The Treasury says it cannot cope with the situation.
Of the 257 municipalities in the country, about 170 are in dire financial distress and need Treasury’s involvement.

Now, the Appropriations committee’s comments in this regard are telling.

It states that it has, on numerous occasions, engaged with the Department of Co-operative Governance and Traditional Affairs and the SA Local Government Association, Salga, in trying to understand the financial and operational challenges in order to find solutions to these challenges.
It is concerned about constantly recommending that the appropriation of funds be given to local government when these funds are not helpful to poor, indigent households and are not helpful in alleviating the distressed situation of these municipalities.

The ACDP agrees.

The country is no closer to finding solutions for these distressed municipalities and it is deeply distressing that National Treasury itself says that it cannot cope.

I thank you.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 85 Mr B N HERRON: House Chairperson, uniting South Africans of all races and classes around a common programme to eliminate poverty and reduce inequality, encourage citizens to be active in their own development in strengthening democracy and in holding their government accountable, raising economic growth, promoting export and making the economy look more labour absorbing, focusing on capabilities of both the people and the country — capabilities including skills, infrastructure, social security, strong institutions and partnerships both within the country and with key international partners — building a capable and developmental state and strong leadership throughout society that works together to solve our problems.
House Chair, these are the key objectives of South Africa’s National Development Plan, NDP, 2030.

According to the NDP, by 2030 there should be a reduction in the number of people who live in households with a monthly income below R419 per person to zero.

We have seven more budget cycles to go to achieve these objectives which are set out in one of the only documents that almost universally unite South Africans.
If we are going to achieve these objectives, our budget has to align to an implementation plan; the budget cannot be business as usual.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 86 Last week during the Presidency budget debate we were reminded of a horrifying media report of children eating sand in order to survive in parts of Kwazulu-Natal.
The President has twice spoken of his fruitful engagement with opposition parties last week, and in that meeting I implored the President to re- examine our country’s spending priorities.

I shared my own experience of a visit into an informal settlement in Nyanga in Cape Town where I met a young man who slaughters cats and dogs to survive.
House Chair, none of us can ignore our collective failure to address a level of poverty and food insecurity that forces our fellow South Africans to eat sand or slaughter domestic animals or someone’s pet in order to survive.

We have no choice but to re-examine our budget and spending priorities, and to budget for the most basic food we need first.

We have to conduct the most difficult budgeting task ever.
We have to strip our budget back to bare bone — to zero — and rebuild it making sure that our right to sufficient food, water and social security are secured.

Before anything else we have to secure the social security of our people.

The first thing that should go into our budget is universal basic income or basic income grant so that no one is forced to UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 87 eat sand or dogs and cats.
The former Minister of Finance committed our Treasury to zero-based budgeting but we haven’t heard much more about this since.

Food, basic income, water and health care are rights; they are not gifts, they must be prioritised in our budget because they are the most basic things a human being needs to survive.

It is too late for this budget, but we urge the Minister and Treasury to go back to that promise to introduce zero-based budgeting and implement it.
We cannot continue business as usual if we are to turn this around and achieve our NDP objectives.

Thank you.

Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Hon House Chairperson, I sit here sometimes and listen to some of my colleagues when all they do is attack and attack.
What I find very funny is that some of them that are in governance in different levels of government in the country attack but don’t look back and look at the weaknesses in the areas where they govern and the quality of life that the people live in these particular areas.

In order to boost economic growth in this country we need to create jobs.

In order to create jobs, we need to create a conducive environment.
I have said this time and again that we UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 88 cannot create jobs if we allow the imports of goods at the rate they are coming in ...

[Inaudible.]

... not competitive, together with the difficult working conditions, the stringent labour conditions in the country and the fact that our local people cannot compete with the imports that are coming into the country.
The second thing is that the number of people that migrate because of the lack of development in rural areas to be urban areas which impacts in the urban areas themselves, and you are not planning to accommodate this.

That is the other people.

It is not the responsibility of the state to create jobs but it is for them to create a conducive environment in the private sector to actually create jobs.

Let me give you a good example, I heard the Minister talk about Russia and Ukraine ...

[Inaudible.]
[Inaudible.]

... yet, South Africa has such beautiful land with all the necessary resources.

Lesotho has just taken advantage of cannabis growing and hemp, South Africa is lagging behind with that.

We have beautiful land to create and grow our own weed, yet we choose not to do that.

Let us look at the quality of education for the skills in this country.

Basic education is not preparing learners for higher education.
Technical and Vocational Education and Training, UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 89 TVET, collages have 60% dropout, and let me tell you why.

There are no control measures in place.

These learners that are coming in are partying weekend after weekend and paying very little to no attention to their studies.

That is why there is a dropout of 60% in the first year of TVET collages.
That is the other reason why you are not dealing with the skills needs of the country, and you have to import more and more skills into the country.

We talk about gender-based violence.

I cannot understand why we continue to blame the police department for this.

It is not their responsibility; they are supposed to be preventing crime.
It is the socioeconomic conditions; the availability of grants, the high unemployment rate, the poor living spatial living conditions of our people almost living on top of each other, no proper roads, no electricity, no water in some of the areas.

These are the root causes of gender-based violence.

No man is born a murderer or a rapist.

The question we need to ask is how they became a rapist or a murderer, when and what went wrong in ...

[Inaudible.]

...
[Inaudible.]

...

In this country 78% of black fathers are not in the lives of their children, and we are expecting a child to be brought up in a normal way in an abnormal society and expecting them to be productive and to ... [Time expired.]

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Thank you very much.


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 90 Mr O M MATHAFA: House Chair, hon members, South Africans, I greet you in the name of Monty Motaung, George Mahlangu, Solomon Kalushi Mahlangu, who on 11 June 1977 bravely planned to give the 1976 upraising a befitting first year anniversary and thereby giving the struggle for our liberation more impetus.

House Chair, let me state from the onset, the ANC support this report.
The support is motivated by the fact that, the budget remains very distributive in nature and takes the needs of the most vulnerable of our society into cognisance and act accordingly.

Secondly, the Bill response to the priority areas as identified in the state of the nation address, the Medium Term Expenditure Framework and the Economic Reconstruction and Recovery Plan.

This is seen in the more than 50% allocation for the social wage against the total consolidated expenditure of about R2,2 trillion.
Hon Singh, it is not accurate to say that the most vulnerable and poor are neglected in that particular budget.

The total of R257,001 billion appropriated to the Department of Social Development with R96,6% or R684,4 billion of this destine to UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 91 reach R18,6 million social grant beneficiaries.
It is correct that the effects of Covid-19 are still with us and the President together with the Minister of Finance committed to extend the Social Relief of Distress Grant until March 2023 and for this R44 billion is allocated.

On agriculture, House Chair, the Department of Agriculture, Land Reform and Rural Development receives an allocation of R17,287 billion.

A welcome increase of R367 million.


The sector supported the economy by contributing 13,4% in 2022, 8,3% in 2021 and employs 860 000 with potential for more growth.

In this allocation, R1,2 billion both to agricultural research, for food security and research related thereto.
This intervention is in line with the Economic Reconstruction and Recovery Plan priority intervention No 8, strengthening food security to continue giving life to the purpose and object of the Restitution of Land Rights Act of 1994, the Commission on Restitution of Land Rights will receive R3,7 billion a short in the arm for land restitution claimants.
A plight of emerging farmers for government support in addressing their challenges is addressed with the Comprehensive Agricultural Support Programme, namely, cash allocation of R1,2 billion.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 92 As the ANC, we urge Cabinet to look at ways and means of speeding up payments for hemp and cannabis and also to ensure black farmers and retailers in these products are not marginalised.
Over the weekend, Chair, farmers like Elekanyani Muthogane, a black female entrepreneur and owner of a company Khanokhethwa from Centurion in Gauteng, the company produces raw cannabis blast, cannabis sweets, skin care products and famous raw gene name genius have to forgo valuable revenue due to market barriers that still exist from historical ownership patterns over our economy.
In her relating her story to me about the barriers that exist in the farming, producing and selling of cannabis products, she states that some instances black entrepreneur like herself have to give up their intellectual property and products formulas as payment in kind to laboratories and distillers into emerging entrepreneurs not having the means to pay for the fees charge in the market.

And also having to compete with the international capital which has identify South Africa as a place to use for export.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 93 The R400 million allocation to the Agri-Industrial Fund for me should give hope to Elekanyani and others particularly those in the Eastern Cape and KwaZulu-Natal that the ANC government has put agro processing in the centre of developing competitive economic viable activities in agro processing.

House Chair, Priority 2 in the Medium Term Expenditure Framework, MTEF, calls for economic transformation and job creation.
As the ANC, we are encouraged by the improvement in the quarter 1 unemployment rate from 35,3 to 34,5 in the first quarter compared to quarter 4 of 2021 showing that the government Economic Reconstruction and Recovery Plan, ERRP, interventions are bearing fruits.

Hon George this is proof that we do plan and we do to apply our actions to the direction which is given by the President depending strategies.
As such, the R9 billion allocation to the Presidential Employment Intervention aiming to create 514 000 short term jobs for the financial year 2022-23 and R9,4 billion in the financial year 2023-24 is squarely in line with ERRP priority area of mass public employment programmes.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 94 House Chair, youth employment remains one of the country’s biggest challenges.
In response to this challenge, the President in his state of the nation address given account of the progress made through the introduction of the Presidential Stimulus Programme, which saw 850 000 of opportunities being supported and the SA Youth Mobi Platform growing to 2,3 million young South African users.
As such, the committee welcomes that additional R18,4 billion allocations are for the Employment Stimulus from the Presidential Intervention Programme together with the R76 billion allocated for job creation programmes.

In conclusion, on small business support: To support small business, the Bill introduces new business bounce back scheme with a commitment of R15 billion to small business loan guarantees.

This will be facilitated through participating banks and development finance institutions.
And given the failure of the previous loan guarantee scheme, we are really pleading with the stated financial institutions to do everything in their powers to ensure that the bounced back scheme succeed.

Over the MTEF period, the Small Business Enterprise Development Agency plan to support emerging 10 500 SMMEs and UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 95 co-operatives to be competitive in local markets and creates 17 500 jobs within the SMMEs ecosystem.
To achieve this target expenditure is expected to increase at an average of 2,9% annually as compared to the previous two financial years.

Once again hon Chair, the ANC support this report.

I thank you.

[Applause.]

Mr M G E HENDRICKS: Thank you very much, hon House Chair.

Al- Jama-ah support this budget.

Hon House Chair, we are looking forward to examine all the items in the budget to find where we can access funds so that the youth can tell us that we have provided for them.
It is no good having a pro-poor budget if you don’t at the same time have a pro-youth budget.

So, Al-Jama-ah, we are sure that many line items that we can use to meet the aspirations of the youth because they are saying young people died for us in 1976.

What is there for us?

You remember that in 1976, hon Chair, South Africa for the first time had TV and what happened in Soweto was on the screens in Cape Town.

And Cape Town soon afterwards also started to protest.
So, in Cape Town we need to tell the youth what is in the budget for UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 96 them.

And I am very excited because Al-Jama-ah has already identified several areas where the youth can be assisted with co-operatives and they can use those co-operatives to take their families out of poverty.

I see hope for the fast- tracking of claimants ...

[Inaudible.]

... District 6.

The Deputy President lobbied for more allocations for land reform.
I didn’t waste my time to bring him to District 6.

So, Al- Jama-ah will lobby for a full return in two years’ time, not four years.

Deputy President, you delivered.

Thank you very much, hon House Chair.

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Thank you, hon Hendricks.

I now recognise the DA, hon Sarupen.

Just before you start, hon Sarupen, the platform on which you normally stand is here.

Should they bring it?

Mr A N SARUPEN: I will be fine.

Thank you, Mr House Chair.


I don’t need the boost today.

Thank you very much.

Mr A N SARUPEN: Hon House Chair, last week Monday we woke up to a letter from the President who told us that the temporary reduction in the fuel levy was unsustainable.
And if the President is so deeply concerned about the fuel price for citizens, I suggest he look into his heart and into his couch UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 97 and reach down there, he might find a dollar or four million to help the rest of us out.

But, the away the President and the government describes this, they use the term fuel price relief.

It is not relief, because the government is not subsidising fuel.

They are reducing the tax on fuel.


But they portray it as something it is not, because the government doesn’t understand its social contract with its citizens.

The government views South Africans as people who have to work for the state, who owe everything to the state, and whose income belongs to the state.

They do not care about how much is left at the end of each month for families to buy food, to pay for water, to pay for transport and to pay for electricity.
On the topic of electricity, this budget is now the fourth consecutive year of annual bailouts for Eskom, with R20 billion.

However, this is the same government that, since load shedding started in 2007, has increased electricity prices by 520%.

They do not care about how families will pay for electricity at the end of each month, as they see the citizens job as having to work for the state.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 98 This budget provides R150 billion in direct finding to local government, but this government has left 61% of municipalities in a dysfunctional state.

They do not care that their cadres have stolen all the money that should be used for providing water or repairing potholes.

They don’t care about the cost of replacing tyres or repairing cars from pothole damage, because they think the citizens work for them.
And lastly, this budget will pay for more in debt service costs than it will for any individual set of public services.

Let me break this down, for every rand that is spent on police, R3 will be spent on debt.

For every rand that is spent on Sports, Arts Culture and Recreation combined, there will be R25 spent on debt.

For every rand that is spent on social security funds, R3,50 will be spent on debt.

And why are we in this situation?


Because over the last 12 years, the government has done nothing but borrow money, only to allow the Guptas and other state capturers to steal it.

And do they care?

[Interjections.]

Do they care?

No, because they think the citizens job is to pay for their mistakes.
And the fundamental problem with this budget, the budget in process, the public participation and so on, is that we have a government that is unaware that the social contract they spoke UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 99 about at the start of the speech is at breaking point.

As citizens suffer with hyper-inflation and this hyper-inflation is triggered, as the ANC keeps singing to us, by the war in Ukraine.
A war which they are doing nothing to prevent and actually prop up in some ways.

They don’t understand that South African Citizens cannot be hacked at and squeezed for more and more money.

South Africa needs reform and for that to happen it is now apparent this government needs to leave.

So, I am very grateful that we only got two years left of this and we got two years left of having to oppose these budgets, which the DA will oppose today, so that we can finally get some reform in.
So, we don’t need to listen to the ANC speakers telling us that we oppose transformation, the way they were telling us over the last 10 years that when we were standing up against state capture, we are opposing transformation, or as to cry wolf here, we don’t need to do so; we don’t need to listen to these hollow empty platitudes as we have about two years left.

The DA oppose this budget.

Thank you very much.

[Applause.]


Ms E D PETERS: Hon Chairperson, hon Ministers and Deputy Minister who are here, hon members, the young people of South Africa, ... UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 100 Setswana: Batjha English: ... let me quickly remind hon Wessels that there is a saying in English that the empty vessels make the most noise.

[Laughter.]
[Laughter.]

Also, from where I come in Galeshewe, they say if you are forever ... Afrikaans: As jy gedurig so kwaad is, sal jy vrek van hartseer.

English: So, I want to say to him that he must just relax a little bit because he is too cross for anybody’s liking.

Afrikaans: Hy is meer kwaad as Eugene Terre’Blanche.

English: So, I want to say to hon Sarupen, we don’t expect anything from you and that is why, today, you can actually show that you have nothing to say.
Immediately, you indicated that you UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 101 have run out of ideas.

The EFF has nothing to raise.

They are here thinking that for them ... Setswana: ... ba tshwanetse go dula e le batho ba ba lwang.

English: They think that they are fighting because they are an opposition.

Being an opposition does not mean that you have to fight; you have to oppose with concrete ...

[Interjections.]

... input.


The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Hon Peters, please, take your seat.

I see that you have brought some vooma, but I want to ask the members to please ...

[Interjections.]

... so loud.

Go ahead.

We want to hear the speaker.

Ms E D PETERS: I just want to say to hon George, he comes here and delivers a speech that his great grandfather was supposed to deliver during the apartheid time.

I want to ask the EFF, how do you say all or nothing?
There must be services that get rendered in this country.

So, whilst we are dealing with the challenges of this country and the UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 102 remaining vestiges of apartheid, we need to be able to deliver services.

This being the 46th anniversary of June 16, allow me to preamble my debate by borrowing revolutionary words from the former President of the ANC.
Mr B A RADEBE: Chairperson, on a point of order: I know that it is allowed for people to heckle here, but the speaker is being drowned out.

We cannot even hear what she says.

[Interjections.]

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Hon Peters, take a seat.

Please, complete your order, hon Radebe.

Mr B A RADEBE: I was referring to the running commentary that is coming from the other side that must stop.

[Interjections.]

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Hon Peters, sit down.
I will ask you to stand down.

Your order is sustained.

Hon members, I repeat, heckling and interjections are allowed, but let us not run commentary, whilst the speaker is on the podium.

Hon Paulsen, please rise.

I am on the platform as a Presiding Officer, I am making a ruling ...

[Interjections.]

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 103 Hon Paulsen, hon Paulsen, I did not ask you to speak.

Hon Paulsen, I am asking you and I will not repeat this.
I am asking you to conduct yourself as a member in this House to not ... Hon Paulsen, sit down!

I will not repeat this.

Thank you.

Ms E D PETERS: This being the 46th anniversary of June 16, allow me to preamble my debate by borrowing revolutionary words from the former President of the ANC, Comrade O R Tambo.
This is a tribute to the fearless young people of 1976, and I quote: Teargas, bombs, bullets and guns were the redress they got.” He continued to say, and I quote again: “Since then, no less than 1 000 of the cream of our people have been shot down in cold blood in the streets of our towns and cities and in the far-flung villages.

Thousands are held in Foster’s presence.

The systematic murder of patriots of South Africa continues behind the secrecy of these prison walls.
Tambo used these words addressing the UN National Assembly in October 1976.

The struggles of these martyrs cannot be complete until the last vestiges of apartheid and new colonialism are dealt a fatal blow.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 104 This Appropriation Bill is an attempt by the ANC to deal with the stubborn remnants of that brutal system that O R Tambo was reporting about to the UN.
It is a tribute to these young people that the Appropriation Bill allocates R29,6 billion to Basic Education and R136 billion to Higher Education and Training.

This is on top and above the resources allocated to Basic Education through the provincial equity share.

The ANC understands that the foundation of all successful nations in the world is their investment to human capital formations.

No substitute for education.


That is why the consolidated government expenditure on education is about 24,3% of the total MTEF allocation.

We welcome the allocation of R29,56 billion to Basic Education, which is 10% higher than the previous year.
This allocation will, among others, provide for Mathematics, Science and Technology teaching, the Education Infrastructure Grant, the Accelerated Schools Infrastructure Delivery Initiative, the National Schools Nutrition Programme, and early childhood development.

The infrastructure spend will contribute towards economic recovery and to the provision of employment opportunities.
The UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 105 R49 billion National Skills Fund, NSF, allocation is most welcomed.

Setas are increasing their allocation for the missing million - R1 billion this year, an increase from about R700 billion last year.

Infrastructure spend in the Department of Higher Education and Training, DHET, is R7,5 billion, which will, among others, help student accommodation and also the building of a new university campus in Giyani Limpopo.
The biggest beneficiaries of this targeted expenditure will be the sons and daughters of the poorest of the poor and they EFF and the DA say they must not get that money for the university.

When the opposition says that they are not supporting the budget, they are basically saying no to NSFAS, no to ECD, no to the provision of accommodation for these children.

They are saying that the children of the poor should not go to school and not be provided with food.
We as the ANC are saying, indeed, the doors of learning and culture are being opened.

The health system of our country proves to be resilient.

This is despite the fault lines in our health system, which again still shows the apartheid legacy.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 106 Covid-19, an unknown virus, wreaked havoc, not just in our country, but throughout the world.

We have lost over 100 000 people to the virus.

This has resulted in many orphans, widows and widowers.
As you know, Covid-29 also puts breaks on our economy and this led to higher rates of poverty, unemployment, starvation and worsened inequality.

Despite the fact that this was a shock never budgeted for, by the end of March 2022, R42, billion had been spent on fighting Covid-19.

Resources were mobilised through the reprioritisation and higher than anticipated revenue collection.
We join the Minister of Health, Joseph Phaahla, in saying that this pandemic has thought us a lot, but the biggest lesson is that when we work together, when we pull in the same direction as a nation, nothing can defeat us.

Standing together, we are strong.

We are also saying that, while vaccinations have given us some respites, we dare not lower our guards.

We must be vigilant.

We must always be on the lookout.

The total budget in the Appropriation for the Department of Health is R64,5 billion.
About R55,5 billion will be transferred to provinces, as provincial grants to strengthen the health system in the UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 107 provinces through infrastructure ...

[Inaudible.]

medical interns and for community service doctors.

This budget to the national department is not the full story.

The full story is the consolidated expenditure in health is R259 billion in the current year.

This is our investment in the health of our country.
Payment for capital assets is R1,4 billion.

This is meant for construction, maintenance, upgrading and rehabilitation of health infrastructure.

This is very important, because it also positively affects our ERIP initiative.

This also provides jobs for our people.

In this Appropriation Bill, there is an allocation of R7,4 billion to provincial health departments to support their fight against Covid-19.
We urge the departments to use our resources both intellectual and physical to enhance local production.

Our scientists outperformed themselves with them discovering the Omicron variant of Covid-19.

We would like to see departments promoting increased local production and procurement.

Let’s manufacture as many drugs in our country as possible.

By doing so, we will be contributing to more job creation, economic growth, better revenue collection and a better life for all.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 108 It is important that the drugs that we use are actually produced locally, so that our people can get the jobs and when they get the jobs, they can then be able to invest in a better life for themselves and their children and have a robust body can withstand diseases.

So, those who are opposing this Bill are saying nurses should not be paid, doctors and interns should not be paid.
They are saying that it is wrong to build hospitals and clinics.

That is what it is.

I hope the people of South Africa are listening to you, hon Paulsen.

The Department of Mineral Resources and Energy, led by hon Mantashe, gets R10,34 billion from the appropriation.

This is a 10,4% increase from the previous year.

In the Sona address, amongst the priorities that His Excellency President Ramphosa mentioned was, and I quote: “the rapid expansion of our energy generation capacity”.
This was echoed by the Minister of Finance, hon Godongwana, when he said and I quote: “Our first and immediate task must be to ensure sustainable energy supply, reduce the risk of load shedding and accelerate the transmission to renewable energy resources.” UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 109 You may also want to add that it is also imperative that we get all households connected to the grid.
It is a pity that the DA never talked about the sins of apartheid, as far as keeping our people in perpetual load shedding.

For the white minority government, it was normal for them that the majority of our people in townships and rural areas did not have electricity.

It is heartening that in the past year, more than 666 000 households were electrified, 45 000 households will have solar over the MTEF.

It is important for South Africans to know that there are initiatives to deal with electricity security.
In the past year, to deal with this challenge, the following happened: 200 municipalities are participating in the Energy Efficiency and Demand Side Management Grant Programme, 1 850 megawatts from bit window 4 of the renewable energy IPP producers programme were connected to the grid, 2 600 megawatts of renewable energy from bit window 5 are expected to be connected to the grid within 24 months.

There are many other initiatives, which are collectively expected to add 13 000 megawatts.
To allow private-sector generation and allow diversification, government gazetted 100 megawatts embedded generation.

Nersa has registered six generation facilities with a total capacity UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 110 of 24 megawatts.

I told you megawatts, not mega heads.

[Laughter.]

[Interjections.]

We are happy to recommend the passing of this Bill to allow this department to continue its work.
The R10,4 billion allocation to the department will assist the department to procure R2 500 megawatts of nuclear energy by ... [Time expired.]

You can drown me out, but I have delivered my speech.

The ACTING MINISTER OF FINANCE: Hon Chair, hon members, fellow South Africans, may one take this opportunity to first thank the Chairpersons of the Portfolio Committees both in Appropriation and Finance for the diligent work done in processing everything until we are where we are.
Our Appropriation Bill is unique as it is part of our social compact which binds us together as society.

It is indeed an agreement that our spending as government must be to the benefit of all South Africans yet still protect the most vulnerable fellow South Africans.

Hon Chair, the Appropriations Bill was tabled in Parliament together with the national budget on the 23rd February 2022.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 111 Since the tabling of the Appropriations Bill, we have collectively approved the fiscal framework, approved the Division of Revenue Bill and now we need to approve the Appropriations Bill.

And I must thank the hon members for such a robust and exciting and illuminating debate that has taken place.

We have had from political parties represented in this august House.
We have heard from the Parliamentary Budget Office, the Financial and Fiscal Commission.

We’ve heard from the people of South Africa and presentations made to parliamentary committees and thank the chairpersons again.

They have also been various Budget Votes where departments have outlined how they are spending plans will realize their priorities.

We now stand ready to approve, hopefully so this Appropriation Bill on behalf of the Minister of Finance.
What is being proposed is appropriation of money from the National Revenue Fund, for the requirement of the state for 2022-23 financial year through the prescribed conditions, for a spending a funds withdrawn from 2020-24 financially year before the commencement of the Appropriation Act for 2022-24. financial year.

Again ...

[Inaudible.]

... to provide for matters incidental.


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 112 Hon Chair, having thanked members for the robust debate, I thought it is not a mistake that some of the hon members tended not to affirm or acknowledge what they know as the economic indicators that move in the positive direction in this country.

Be it the 1,9% growth, first quarter 2022, be it the increase in consumption expenditure of 1,4%.
I will jump others and go to one other significant one, the capital fixed formation which is increased by 3,6%.

And of course, positive indications from rating agencies that have been reportedly sent through.

And all these indicators ... To say this government has got no clue in what it is trying to do.

You must divorce these indicators from the following.
That the President pronounced a R100 billion over ten-years to unleash the economic infrastructure from the private sector, so as to leverage on the blended finance.

You must divorce this from the fact that the Minister Finance proposed R17,5 billion going forward in the Medium-Term Expenditure Framework, MTEF, for infrastructure.

You must also divorce this from the R1,8 million committed to unlock R138 billion infrastructure.

Which is taking place all over the county be it in ...

[Inaudible.]
[Inaudible.]

... Gqeberha, Aberdeen, around Tshwane and a number of other areas.

These are seven UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 113 major projects.

To say this government has got no clue you must divorce these indicators from these interventions.

Again, if you deal with the phenomenon of austerity, hon Chair, as repeatedly over years, which I call now, a chronic pronouncement by the EFF.

I have realized that maybe the problem is not that the budget is austerity.
Maybe the problem is to educate the EFF about the concept of the social wage because more than 52% of our budget goes to social wage.

And we have never gone less than this.

To say this an austerity budget, from the numerical point of view, you know, you will not make sense.

But maybe from understanding the meaning of social wage we can succeed to find one another.
And again, you will not ignore the fact that ... For you to say, with these indicators, this government again is out of tune, this government has demonstrated that Economic Cluster, Security Cluster, Governance Cluster in particular, array ...

[Inaudible.]

... platform to turn around the economic challenges of this country.

That also finds expression even in the budget.

In the MTEF, no less than R7,4 billion goes to Security Cluster.
Maybe just to pick up one figure of R1 billion going to the justice section, National Prosecuting Authority, NPA, in particular.

All these are the interventions UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 114 of the government, which for you to be able to say it’s out of tune, you must divorce these interventions from these positive indicators.

Remember, an increase of R3,6 in fixed capital formation, this is a positive development with regard to productive capacity in the country.
Because those are tools for production mainly.

When rating agencies say our ratings are improving, again, those are factors that improve conditions for investment in the country.

All those issues are positive indications, which is difficult to dissociate from these interventions.

Just in 2020, hon Chair, during the Sustainable Infrastructure Development Symposium, out of 50 gazetted projects 29 were reported to be under implementation, which amounted to no less than R119 billion.
And the very symposium last year, 55 projects were added in totality, having an amount of no less than R500 billion in the capital space investment space.

So, all I’m saying is that all these are indications of a government that is actually demonstrated that it is at work.
This government has also understood from the social expenditure ... That find expression in social expenditure that whilst you implement these other projects, which have got medium and long term impact, our people in the meantime, must UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 115 continue to have the minimum plate on their table.

The R44 billion therefore, of Social Relief of Distress Grant, SRD Grant, for 12-months, extending from the covid period is a response to that.
Even the intervention, by the President of no less than R18 billion, in this financial year to employment stimulus, riding on the success of last year, of no less than 500 000 people being employed and 60% being young people.

All these are interventions of government.

Then you must say these interventions have no relationship with this positive indication before you can say this government has got no clue.
Only when you succeed, to make sure that relationship doesn’t exist, then we are aligned to your view.

Having said all that, may I take this opportunity again, to thank all of you, hon the members, the stewardship hon Chair in ensuring that a healthy debate which our democracy is at bastion of continued as usual.

Thank you, hon Chair and looking forward to the adoption of the Appropriation Bill, as tabled.

Thank you very much.

Debate concluded.


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 116 Bill read a first time (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, African Christian Democratic Party, Freedom Front Plus and United Democratic Movement dissenting Agreed to.
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Hon members, before we proceed to the next item just to take you back a bit to item five the second reading, just in case it was not properly recorded, the second adjustment Appropriation Bill has been read the second time and the Bill will be sent to the NCOP for concurrence.

I thank you hon members.

As I call upon my next Presiding Officer, hon Ntombela, we are now going to proceed.

The time now is 12h45, I’m told lunch was scheduled for 13h00 ...
Unless you have a request.

Alright, with that hon members can then resume the business at 14h00.

Thank you, the business is suspended until 14h00.


Business suspended at 12:45 Business resumed at 14:00 UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 117 CONSIDERATION OF VOTES AND SCHEDULE (Appropriation Bill) The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon members, let me first thank the parties for advising the staff on which votes they will make declarations and record their objections as well as which they intend dividing on.

This information will be of great assistance for the day.
I will put each vote and I will call those parties that have requested to make declarations according to their submissions.

The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: House Chair, just a point of clarity, where would you like the members to make the declarations from, from theirs seats or should they come to the front table?

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): It’s actually up to the members.

We don’t usually use the podium for declarations of vote but it is up to the members.
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Thank you very much.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 118 The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): This is how the process will be hon members.

I will put each vote and ask for declarations of vote as they have indicated.

Members who are in the chamber may make declarations of vote from the floor of the microphone or the podium and those on virtual platform will be recognised based on the list submitted by parties.
I will then put the vote for decision.

Hon members are reminded that in terms of rule 108(5), a global time for declarations of vote has been agreed upon and parties will be allowed to make declarations as per the agreed time allocation.

Once a party has exhausted its allotted time, it will no longer be recognised to make further declarations.

For divisions, bells will be rung for five minutes and one minute thereafter and 15 seconds thereafter for further divisions.
For the first division after the break the bells will be rungs as I’ve just said.

Hon members let me assist you as we start this process, there are parties that did not indicate whether they will be declaring or objecting but you now have the opportunity to UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 119 approach the NA table and record if you wish to do so.
We do not want to leave anyone out although we had requested that things should be done in time because if I’m not told by the table staff that you have registered, that opportunity will not be given because the time that we allocate for these orders will be affected if we do not do that.

Mr N L S KWANKWA: House Chair?

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Kwankwa?
Mr N L S KWANKWA: House Chair, how are those of us who are on the virtual platform going to go about informing, in case whatever we submitted does not reach the NA table for an example?

How are we going to attend to that challenge?

IsiNdebele: USIHLALO WENDLU (Kkz M G Boroto): Ungipha ikinga wena Tshawe.

Ungipha ikinga nje uyawazi umthetho lo ukhona umnyaka nomnyaka.

Sihlala siwulandela qho.


English: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 120 Please try and find somebody from Mr Xaso’s office or anyone else from the table staff to do that because this is not the first time we do this and it’s not only coming in today.

Mr N L S KWANKWA: Thank you Chair.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Thank you.

Mr W M THRING: House Chair?

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Okay hon Thring?

Mr W M THRING: Thank you House Chair.


I did have my hand up for quite some time and you may not have seen it.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): I’m sorry, I think my staff has not logged in as yet.

Please log in so that you can assist me.

Mr W M THRING: House Chair just a point of clarity on the virtual platform that we are struggling to hear, particularly the members of the opposition, hon Mazzone included.
So if we could ask that they either sit down closer to their microphones when they are speaking because it is really UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 121 difficult to hear what they are saying on the virtual platform.

Thank you.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Thank you.

I think this is not the first time we talk about this and we hope that when we return in August all microphones will be placed at the correct length for people.
It does not augur well when you are speaking in this House and then you are seated.

So, those who are in here, if you can please try to come to the podium and speak from the podium.

It’s not that we are forcing you to stand but because of the microphones you have to sit but if you feel you can sit and talk it’s fine.

IsiNdebele: ... kodwana ayihlali kuhle ngombana kuba kwangathi asinayo ihlonipho begodu asazi bonyana senzani lapha ekhaya.

English: But anyway, it is fine.


Let them come to the podium if possible because it is difficult to speak when the microphone is too far from you.

I know that.

Let’s clarify everything, are we clear because ... IsiNdebele: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 122 ... ingaduma iyakhamba.

English: Are we fine?

Okay.

I will now put vote 1.

Vote No 1 – Presidency Put Mr N SINGH: Hon Chairperson, at which stage will you require declarations?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon members, I thought it’s a change of mind because nobody said they want to declare.

I will call those parties that have requested to be recognised to make declarations then I’ll go back to vote 1.
Declarations of Vote No 1: Prince M G BUTHELEZI: Hon Speaker and hon members, allow me first to thank his Excellency the President for his commitment to talk me to seek the approach more after the vicious attack launched against me by the hon premier of KwaZulu-Natal Mr Sihle Zikalala.

In last week’s debate, the hon Chief Whip of the ANC the hon Pemmy Majodina quoted mama Winnie Madikizela-Mandela’s book UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 123 titled 491 Days.
Perhaps Chairperson I should quote from the book as a timely reminder.

Mrs Madikizela-Madela wrote and I quote; Buthelezi was one of the greatest fighters in his day, he was entrusted with fighting the system from within.

And that is what the people do not know.

The premier may plead ignorance but only a fool refuses to be educated.

Hon Chairperson, in the absence of any opportunity to ask and get answers of the details of this budget, the IFP cannot be expected to tell South Africans that it is sound.
In the three years prior to lockdown, traveling have systems within the executive support services were curbed and now there is more travel than ever before, perhaps because the e- Cabinet system enables the executive and support self to work from anywhere.

Accordingly, the expenditure on computer services has grown to 925%, policy and research has sky rocketed and travel costs have increased.
We appreciate the President and Deputy UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 124 President for forfeiting a salary increase this year.

We admire that in solidarity with many who lost their livelihood.

The President’s salary bump now is from R2,9 million to R5,1 million and that is rather jarring particularly when the Independent Commission for the Remuneration of Public Office- Bearers actually recommended a million rand less.

Perhaps all this is necessary ...

[Inaudible.]


... but we are not afforded the opportunity to ask.

Thank you.

Mr N L S KWANKWA: Thank you very much House Chair.

House Chair, partisanship and duplicity have no room in the office of the President of the Republic of South Africa for they contradict the essence of existence like Caesar’s wife, the President must be above and beyond suspicion.
Going to last week Thursday’s Budget Vote on the Presidency, the UDM gave the President the benefit of the doubt and had hoped that he was going to use the budget vote to deal comprehensively and honestly with the allegations of taxabation, money laundering and defeating the ends of justice against him.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 125 Unfortunately, in our view, the President failed dismally to do so and in light of this we cannot with a clear conscience support this budget vote.

Thank you Chair.

Sesotho: SEPHADI SE KA SEHLOOHONG SA MOKGA WA BONGATA: Modulasetulo, ha ke lebohe sebaka le motsotso ona.

Ho bohlokwa hore re tshehetse tekanyetso ena ya Moporesidente bakeng sa ho ntshetsa pele le ho tshireletsa Molaotheo ka nako tsohle ka kakaretso.
Ntate Moporesidente le ofisi ya hae, ba shebane le boikarabelo ba setjhaba le ho ntjhafatsa setjhaba.

Ke ka lebaka leo ANC e tshehetsa kgetho ya pele ya Moporesidente ... IsiXhosa: ... ukuqinisekisa ukuba urhulumento lonke lusengela thungeni linye, ukuze abantu bakowethu baphuhle.
English: The evidence of an over aching role of coordinating government’s work and building a social compact among social partners in order to achieve the national development objectives has been brought before the National Assembly UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 126 committees on a quarterly basis and we therefore have the evidence of progress assessed against each budgeted programme.
Hon House Chair, we as the ANC still maintain that, let the law take its course, let us allow the law enforcement agencies to deal with the matter that has been reported by Mr Fraser and not interfere at this current moment.

IsiXhosa: Masiwuyeke umthetho uthathe indawo yawo.

Sima apha siluxhasa olu hlahlo lwabiwo-mali.

Enkosi.

Agreed to.
Enkosi.

Agreed to.

Vote No 2 - Parliament Put Declarations of Vote: Mr N L S KWANKWA: Chairperson, as this House is already aware that we wrote to Speaker of the National Assembly asking her to inquire into the allegations I’ve mentioned in the previous budget vote.

Unfortunately, once again we feel we are of the view that this House has missed an opportunity to properly hold the President accountable and exercise its oversight role in terms of the Constitution.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 127 And because this House consistently fails to do so and has been consistently failing to do so since the last term and continues to do so even now when given an opportunity to devise ways and means in which we can ensure that we hold the executive to account.

For those reasons, we cannot support the budget vote.

Thank you very much.

Mr X S QAYISO: Thank you very much House Chair.


Parliament’s budget vote is about whether Parliament’s transformation project is on track and whether we have the necessary financial resources to do the work.

Our role is one which understands that oversight is continuous and in which there is a reinforcing working relationship between the legislature and the executive ensuring that the government policies and programmes are implemented effectively and efficiently.
On Parliament’s budget, we have stated before that the current arrangement is unsustainable and Parliament must be part of determining its budget, internal priorities and alignment of its needs.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 128 The current issues that create a shortfall in Parliament’s budget must be addressed before the February 2023 budget.
There remaining line items in the Parliament budget which Parliament has no say over and are the causes of the shortfall in Parliament’s budget.

We call for the speedy resolution of these matters with the National Treasury to enable Parliament to have a budget that addresses the actual needs of the institution.

The ANC supports vote 2.

Question agreed to (Democratic Alliance, African Christian Democratic Party, Economic Freedom Fighters and United Democratic Movement dissenting).
Vote accordingly agreed to.

Vote No 3 - Co-operative Governance – put.

Declaration(s) of vote: Mr I M GROENEWALD: House Chair, the ANC government has established a clear and distinctive footprint throughout South Africa.

Local communities and provincial residents have no difficulty in recognising the evidence of ANC rule in our UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 129 towns and most of the provinces.
The ANC footprint is one of the potholes, with dilapidated infrastructure, a breakdown of basic service delivery and general decay.

The Department of Co-operative Governance and Traditional Affairs could not come up with a single successful intervention at either the provincial or municipal government level.

Not one.

On 29 May, the MEC of Finance in the North West said a majority of municipalities are in such a financial crisis that the provincial government had to intervene.
These municipalities normally continue to adopt unfunded budgets against every prescript of the Municipal Finance Management Act.

In the current budget process, it has become clear that municipalities such as Matlosana, Rustenburg and J B Marks are also following the same route.

These municipalities which are the economic hubs of the North West are deteriorating daily.

The ANC footprint of decay and destruction is spreading at a steady rate.
Job losses and disinvestment by small, medium to large businesses due to incompetence and a spirit of self- enrichment of the local ANC administrations are the order of the day.

Legislation passed in this House is supposed to protect our communities from the greedy government but is blatantly UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 130 ignored by the ANC-ruled municipalities.
As a matter of course, it is clear the ANC have no respect for the legislation, the rule of law or the interest of the citizens of South Africa.

They are effectively governing against the people of our country.

The ANC footprint of decay is of noncompliance and can only be the fault of the ANC and no one else.

Thank you.
Thank you.

Mr B N HERRON: House Chair, if the various fires, droughts and the most recent KwaZulu-Natal flooding crisis have taught us anything, is that our preventative methods, as well as our disaster risk management, are not up to the standards we require.

The COVID-19 pandemic was not the first of its kind, nor will it be the last that we struggle to find solutions to global disasters in their various forms.

It is imperative that we improve our disaster management infrastructure and planning.
No human being deserves to have their lives thrown into turmoil from circumstances out of their control.

But our core function as the government is to be the champion of the people who go through such a harrowing ordeal.

With a rising population, depleting resources, and undeniable climate change, one can expect that there is an inevitability of another crisis perhaps even worse than that experienced in UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 131 KwaZulu-Natal.
It is time for the department to manage its disaster risk management in a way that protects and makes its citizens the priority.

This is not a fund that should be tampered with defunded or forgotten but should be a preventative measure between life and death.

The fund aids in supplying basic needs, not luxuries to those who have lost everything.

Our hope for the future and our children's future is the only thing that no one can take away from our citizens.

Let us be a champion of that hope.

Thank you.


Mr A M SHAIK-EMAM: House Chairperson, a report by the civil society group Corruption Watch reveals that municipality managers commit the most corruption in local government.

Corruption Watch makes this claim on revelations based on more than 5 000 whistle-blowers that have reported cases of corruption within local government to the organisation since its exception in 2012 until the end of June.
In its 9-year existence, Corruption watch has received almost 33 000 whistle-blower reports, 16% of which represent allegations of local government corruption.

The highest number of allegations of corruption in local government, a record number of 857 were received in 2020 alone.

Now, this is during the time of COVID-19.


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 132 So I think what I am saying here is corporate governance must do a lot more, first of all, to ensure that we have the capacity in these municipalities.

That the people that are employed are best able to do the job.

And then we need to ensure that those that are tasked with the responsibility of delivering services do it with the highest level of ethics and morals.
Coming to that, I am talking about the value for money that we are not getting from the local government which is resulting in billions of rand being lost.

Measures must be put in to ensure that we get value for money and no one unduly enriches themselves.

We will support this.

Thank you very much.

Mr B M HADEBE: House Chairperson, I rise on behalf of the ANC to support Budget Vote No 3.
This budget fundamentally responds to the State of Local Government report by funding the Municipality Support and Intervention Plan which has been developed to assist 64 dysfunctional municipalities and 30 municipalities currently under section 139 intervention.

The newly remodelled Community Works Programme which provides short-term employment, transfer of skills and development in poor communities is the apex priority of this budget.
This demonstrates the government’s commitment to resolving the UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 133 triple challenges of unemployment inequality and poverty as outlined by the National Development Plan.

The budget also supports the implementation of the District Development Model, one plan for 44 district municipalities and seven metropolitan municipalities.
This will foster practical intergovernmental relations to plan, budget and jointly implement to provide a coherent response, maximise impact and align plans and resources.

We are also encouraged by the commitment to the infrastructure development management support in the midterm, responding to water and sanitation challenges in our communities.

The ANC supports the Vote.

Thank you.

Division demanded.

The House divided.


The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): The Speaker had determined that, in accordance with the Rules, a manual voting procedure would be used and that the whips would conduct a headcount of members in the chamber and on the virtual platform for the purpose of ascertaining quorum and voting.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 134 A quorum being present in terms of Rule 98(1), voting commenced.
AYES – 232: (ANC – 218; IFP – 10; Good – 2; NFP - 1; Al Jama- ah – 1).

NOES – 117: (DA - 74; EFF - 29; FF Plus - 9; ACDP – 4; UDM – 1).

Question agreed to.

Vote accordingly agreed to.

Vote No 4-Government Communication and Information system-put.

Ms N NTLANGWINI: House Chair, on a point of order: You can never call the FF Plus and all of those smaller parties before us.

It is first the DA and then the EFF.

Then you can call those other ones ...

[Interjections.]
[Interjections.]

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms G B Boroto): Hon members, listen.

IsiXhosa: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 135 Mr N L S KWANKWA: Hayi, hayi Natasha, musa ukusigezela wena.

Tyhini!

English: The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms G B Boroto): Nqabayomzi, hold on.

Let me explain to the hon member.

Hon members, this request to submit was given weeks ago.

The EFF did not submit and they did it now.

Should I just jump and go to the EFF?

[Interjections.]
[Interjections.]

I even forget ... No, no, no.

[Interjections.]

Hon member, don’t respond to me like that.

Hon member, we have an agreement that your Whips took in the Chief Whip Forum.

Hon member, please, don’t do that.

[Interjections.]

Hon member, please.

We do this to assist ourselves and that is what I am going to do.

I am going to read it like that.

[Interjections.]

What is your problem?

Okay, let us proceed.

Question agreed to.

Vote agreed to.


Vote No 4-Government Communication and Information Systems – agreed to.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 136 (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front Plus and African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).

Vote No 5 – Home Affairs – put.


Declarations of vote: Mr F J MULDER: Hon Chair, the Department of Home Affairs is currently competing for the first place or a possible runner- up position in stealing the limelight for the most dysfunctional department.

The department failed its mandate as the custodian, protector and verifier of the identity and status of citizens and other residents in South Africa and is staggering under the enormous backlog with the issuing of passports and other travel documents.
Thus, the Department of Home Affairs has failed its mandate as far as the regulating and facilitating of immigration and movement of persons through the ports of the country is concerned.

The department has also failed to adhere to the ruling of the Constitutional Court three years ago, to amend the Electoral Act to comply with the South African Constitution, in time.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 137 Extraordinary measures need to be implemented by Parliament on an urgent basis.

The FF Plus will not support the Vote 5.

Thank you.

Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Hon House Chair, I must reiterate that I do not support those that say that Home Affairs is performing dismally.

I think there has been a lot of progress in Home Affairs recently.

Let me tell you why I know.

I know because I deal with them all the time and I know their success.
Yes, let me tell you some of their successes.

First of all, a tender that was going to be awarded, Home Affairs, with the intervention of the Minster, has stopped it, running into hundreds of millions of Rands.

That is the first success.

The second success is that every week without fail, buses leave South Africa going to Zimbabwe, carrying passengers that do not jump out of that buses without any documentation.

The Minister has intervened.

Not a single one goes pass now.


I can tell you that, because I was the one who complained about it.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 138 Thirdly, let me tell you, work permits in this country have been sold for R30 000 each.

He has identified those who were responsible.

It is not happening anymore.

Fourthly, the issue of the passports - you know, the syndicate that has been brought down.

It is all through the invention of the Minister.


Yes, there are challenges in the Department of Home Affairs.

It cannot be sorted out overnight.

What we need is to ensure that there are adequate resources and very importantly, the ICT system needs to be dealt with.

If you don’t sort these problems out ... And yes again, the Minister has now called for ...

He is going to have those offices opened on a Saturday as well, in order to be able to provide it.
My view is, let us support this Budget Vote, let us support the Minister and his team, so that we can provide better quality service.

We support this.

Thank you.

[Applause.]

Ms T I LEGWASE: Chairperson, I rise on behalf of the ANC in support of Budget Vote 5 of Home Affairs.

All South Africans are dependent on the Department of Home Affairs, because of UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 139 its sole mandate to secure and manage official identity and status.
The Department of Home Affairs services are divided into two categories: civic services and immigration services.

The department’s mandate is to manage citizenship, civic status, internal migration, refugee protection and the population register.

Much progress has been made on the implementation of the Border Management Authority, BMA.

The BMA model will be implemented at land, air and sea ports of entry.

The BMA will create a platform for proper co-ordination between government departments.
We welcome the department’s fight against corruption and encourage it not to relax its effort in ensuring a safer country.

The department set up a series for road blocks, in an effort to address the challenges of undocumented immigrants near the Beitbridge Border Post.

This is also welcomed.

As we have said before, everyone who enters South Africa legally will be welcomed.

Once again, I rise to support the Budget Vote.


Thank you UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 140 Declarations of vote made on behalf of the Freedom Front Plus, National Freedom Party and African National Congress.

Question agreed to (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, and African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).

AYES – 233: (ANC – 219; IFP – 10; Good – 2; NFP - 1; Al Jama- ah – 1).
Vote No 6 – International Relations and Co-operation – agreed to (Democratic Alliance, Inkatha Freedom Party, Economic Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front Plus and African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).

Vote No 7 – National School of Government – agreed to (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front Plus and African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).

Vote No 8-National Treasury-put.


Declarations of vote: Mr M N PAULSEN: Chairperson, we don’t have a declaration; we have a question.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 141 The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): No, no.

I think that there has been an agreement that there will not be questions, but there will be declarations.

Mr M N PAULSEN: Okay, then, if that is how ...

I will still do it anyway.


When Mr Cyril Ramaphosa, also known as Rama phala phala, went to KwaZulu-Natal in April, after the floods, he promised R1 billion to rebuild homes and critical infrastructure.

It is almost three months now and the National Treasury is refusing to release the money.

While the National Treasury refuses to release the funds, people are sleeping in halls with no food and water and cannot rebuild their lives.
Provincial and municipal interventions are poorly co- ordinated, because they do not have any money.

Municipalities do not have the capacity to make applications for grants and the Treasury failed to make the process practical and easy, to ensure that the money is released on time.

Why is the National Treasury failing to release the promised R1 billion?

Did Mr Rama phala phala lie to the people of KwaZulu-Natal about the R1 billion disaster relief?

Thank you very much.


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 142 Mr B A RADEBE: Hon House Chair, on a point of order: I rise on Rule 82 again, people cannot be given new names in this House.

[Interjections.]

[Inaudible.]

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms G B Boroto): I heard him.

Hon member Paulsen, please, let us not give members new names.

That is Rule 82.

We have to use the names that we know in the House, please.

[Interjections.]

No, I don’t need your answer.


Mr M N PAULSEN: If it is relevant to ...

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms G B Boroto): No, I don’t need your answer, hon Paulsen.

Please, sit.

It is just a warning, please.

Can you please switch off your mic?

[Interjections.]

Mr Q R DYANTYI: Chair, on a point of order: There was a ruling earlier on that point.

There is a ruling.

I hope there will be no warning.

There is a ruling that must be implemented.

Thank you.
Thank you.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms G B Boroto): Okay.

I am sorry, I did not know about that, but as I am here, I have warned the member and should it be repeated in this House, there will be consequences.

Let me ... UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 143 Mr N L S KWANKWA: House Chair, the South African economy fails to deliver what it is ...

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms G B Boroto): Hon members, I cannot hear.

Even the order that was mentioned, I did not hear what was said.
That is why I allowed it to go that way.

Please, I must listen to every member.

Hon Paulsen and hon Mfundiswa, ... Afrikaans: ... asseblief.

Mr N L S KWANKWA: House Chair, the South African economy fails to deliver what is expected of it.

While we acknowledge that certain fundamentals, to some extent, are in place, it is equally true that the urgently required jobs and economic growth are not materialising.
It is a fact that, since 1994, hundreds of thousands of jobs have been destroyed and the formal employment shrinks at an alarming rate.

There are signs, as of late, that the South African economy is held afloat by a potential that has not been properly unleashed.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 144 In our view, the problem with the South African economy is that, with the privatisation of SOEs, we are failing to recognise that a responsible government cannot depend on market forces alone and sit back while the economy and the quality of life of all citizens are being destroyed.
In the final analysis, the needs of every South African are rooted in the need for a decent job and a decent income, which this government has failed to provide the past couple of years.

We are of the view that, until we an economic clean up, it is not possible for us to address all the economic challenges faced in South Africa at the moment.

Thank you.

Mr M G E HENDRICKS: Hon House Chair, the budget for the years 2022-23 has been approved.
Al Jama-ah would like to thank the hon House Chair for giving us an opportunity to make a declaration on the Treasury’s slot.

It is Treasury that finally releases the money for every line item of expenditures in all the Votes.

So, Al Jama-ah feels that it is making a declaration in the right slot.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 145 We want Treasury to, with haste, release money that will make the youth feel that the sacrifices of youth of 1976, for them in 2022, was worthwhile.

Al Jama-ah will get the full pound of flesh that Shakespeare wrote about in Merchant of Venice.
As a Member of Parliament, I am in support that Prof Haron, Asha Alie, Gafsa and Fajeelah will find opportunities in the Minster’s budgets that assist the youth to get funding for projects to take their families out of poverty, to get their full pound of flesh.

I have been invited to the after party of the Social Development Ministry and I hope to get my full pound of flesh for the youth, because that is what they are holding us accountable for.
I don’t know if hon members know the song: Afrikaans: Mammie, ons gaan Paarl toe?

English: Hon members do know that the hon member of the FF Plus asked his Excellency President Ramaphosa if he hated Afrikaans.

He UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 146 must ask the hon members who are Afrikaners why many people say ... Afrikaans: ... maar julle is dan verengels.
English: It is my constituency that keeps Afrikaans alive and the Minister of Police will confirm that there is a lot of DNA when he does these labs, found in nearly every Afrikaner family.

Al Jama-ah is having 11 events to commemorate 16 June and the Western Cape Parliament is funding the signature event in Paarl where the Afrikaans Taal Monument is.

There is no indication of the struggle of the Black Consciousness Movement.
So, in Paarl we are going to unfold the untold story of 16 June and its aftermath.

So, I am asking Parliament, ... Afrikaans: ... gaan julle ook Paarl toe?

English: I am asking the nation, ... UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 147 Afrikaans: ... gaan julle ook Paarl toe?

English: That is the place to be at 10:00, at the Charleston Hill Secondary School in Klein Nederburg and in time for the documentary on 16 June, the untold story told by the community of Salt River.
For all of us who lived and experienced apartheid, what happened on 16 June in 1976 in Soweto and the solidarity marches and protests that followed on the Cape Flats in townships such as Bonteheuwel, Salt River and Hanover Park - the heroic struggles - remain embedded in our minds.

I am not sure if you remember that 1976 was also the year when we got TV in our homes.

So, what happened in Soweto spread rapidly to Cape Town to the Cape Flats and we saw how young learners were slaughtered.
Al Jama-ah honour the family of Christopher Truter, who lived in Bonteheuwel, when he took up a seat in Parliament.

Part of his skull was split and his brains and tongue had to be pushed back by his sister and paramedics, as they tried to save his life.

That photo is now on our T-shirts for 16 June.


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 148 The Truter family and the Bonteheuwel community are aging asking whether Christopher Truter died in vain and when they watch on their TVs budget by budget and Vote by Vote, which hon members are now getting to approve one by one, they may see very little in the budgets that benefits the youth.

The youth of today is joining us in the commemoration, but don’t see their legacy.
I honoured the youth of Soweto by publishing a ...

[Inaudible.]

... book of most of the 500 iconic photos, the best on record, taken of the Soweto Rise by Peter Magubane.

I gave his Excellency President Ramaphosa and other Ministers like hon Patricia de Lille a complimentary copy.

I ask them humbly today again to study the photos, if they have not done so.

All Ministers must do so.

I have two copies in my office at Parliament Room 649.
They must study it to be reminded of the struggles and sacrifices of the youth and after studying it, relook at their budgets and see if they have put in more than previous apartheid government for the youth for the year 2022- 23.

We agree with the hon member that we need a political will for socioeconomic reform and we acknowledge the National Youth UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 149 Policy for 2030 and the Presidential Stimulus and Incentive Scheme.
South Africa needs a pro-youth budget.

Many of the political parties are going to make declarations after me.

Ministers must find time to unpack the 40 Money Bills or more and tell the nation if there are any direct benefits for the youth to take their families out of poverty.

If Ministers have not provided that, they fall short.

Al Jama-ah has traversed the villages and towns to ask the youth what they wanted from the 2022-23 budget.
They told Al Jama-ah they want government programmes for the youth to take their families out of poverty.

So, that is the initiatives that we are embarking on.

Al Jama-ah does not want to see, proudly made in South Africa, because that means that it is made by whites.

We want to see proudly made by the women and youth of South Africa.

The Minister of Social Development, hon Zulu, is on the right track to achieve this and my parliamentary office is already working with her officials.
We are going to use the co- operative grants that are available in the NDA to take UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 150 families out of poverty, by establishing dress-making ...

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... carpenters.

The target is 90 of them starting in Lentegeur Mitchells Plain.

to revive the clothing industry, which the Ministry of Trade and Industry destroyed.
President Cyril Ramaphosa is now called on to cut, make and trim, which the Department of Trade and Industry don’t like – a localisation venture.

We are proud to announce that we are having 11 commemorated events and it is a challenge for us when we are held accountable for what is in the budget.

We were in Melville near Groutville last week for the first event and we got the stern message from nearly 100 residents and elders that something must be done to take the youth-led families out of poverty.
The Albert Luthuli family has a hectare of land along the river there and I don’t know if people in this House know who Chief Albert Luthuli is, but he was a great man.

He got the Noble Peace Prize and they want to grow peanuts and then they want to manufacture peanut butter.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 151 So, we are hoping that Ministers listening to this will come to the party, like the Minister of Social Development has done and tell the people of Groutville where Chief Albert Luthuli was banished that this is what you have for them in the budget.

Youngsters, we understand that you want to take your families out of poverty, here are peanut seeds and we will provide all the assistance so that you can manufacture peanut butter.
We also supported the careers day in Umzinto for 200 learners.

According to councillor Asghar Khan, our PR councillor, who is Chair of the Municipal Public Accounts Committee, Mpac, these youths wanted to know what will be in the budget for them to pay for their registration fees for the institution of learning.

They also wanted to know what the appeal process is when applications are turned down, because they hear of so many applications turned down from people in the rural villages.
Al Jama-ah has not taken the amend by the Minister of Justice, hon Ronald Lamola, lightly that one has to be a pensioner to be a President or Deputy President of South Africa.

So, Al Jama-ah is asking the question to the year 2022-23, do we have UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 152 opportunities for the youth?

How can they access positions in government?

We know that millions of youth are unemployed, nearly 65%.
We are also having an event in Dimbaza where activists were thrown into this desolate place in Kings William’s Town.

Now, there is an industrial park, but the Minister of Trade and Industry has dump that community.

The youth are asking Al Jama-ah whether there will be money in the budget to revive the desolate industrial park.

There are so many job opportunities there, but people call the Department of Trade and Industry a lame duck.
This, I hope, is one of the first pro-youth budget speeches ever and Al Jama-ah is proud to take the lead.

The Ministers ... [Time expired.]

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms G B Boroto): Hon members, don’t do what you have been doing.

A party has the right to use whatever minutes.

Al Jama-ah has used their global 10 minutes.

We cannot stop them.

It is their wish.

So, don’t raise your hands.


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 153 Ms P N ABRAHAM: House Chair, the Budget Vote of National Treasury is about providing the financial resources to support the safe and strategic management of the nation’s financial resources and to act as a centre to transfer funds to the three spheres of government.
It is this Budget Vote that performs the critical functions of the provincial equitable share, a significant portion of which is adjustment for the compensation of employees, for the implementation of the nonpensionable cash gratuity.

The Vote of the National Treasury has, at its core, the financing of responsibilities for the sound control and management of South Africa’s public finances.

Sixty percent of this Budget Vote has to do with provincial transfers.
When taken together with other transfers under different programmes, it is this Budget Vote that can claim to significantly redistribute finances, to ensure crucial functioning of the state.

The review that National Treasury is undertaking with regard to government’s macroeconomic policies in the global financial crisis of 2008 to the present, must be welcomed.

We need to add that Parliament must be involved in this exercise.
We shall remain informed by our need for inclusive economic UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 154 growth and a vibrant mixed economy of state and private sector.

The ANC supports the Budget Vote of National Treasury.

I thank you.

[Applause.]

Vote No 9 –Planning, Monitoring, and Evaluation - put Agreed to.

[Take in from Minutes.]

Vote No 10- Public Enterprises – put.


Declarations of vote: Mr G K Y CACHALIA (DA): Chairperson, the purpose of the vote is to drive investment, productivity and transformation in the department’s portfolio of state-owned entities, SOEs to unlock growth and more, and so the President tells us that, we are firmly on track to implement the reforms outlined in the state of the nation address.
Slots are available to private rail operators, and that we are on the cusp of a fundamental transformation in the electricity sector and that Eskom and the private sector is set to accelerate the embedded generation projects and cut red tape UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 155 We are also told that 68 projects with a combined capacity of over 5 000 megawatts are being developed, even if we park the SA Airways, SAA’s albatross and the dead dodo that is Denel.
With regard to Eskom and Transnet alone, based on the past and the present, don’t believe a word, because the road to hell’s darkness is paved with good intentions.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

The reality is that more than 30% of Eskom’s generation capacity has been offline due to unplanned outages for the last four weeks and the average generation fleet availability, so far this year, is only 59%, compared to 62% last year.
So much for Eskom’s Reliability Maintenance and Recovery Programme, and in case you were wondering where the money will come from for the bold new plans, it seems pretty unlikely that Eskom will be able to take on any new debt unless its current debt level has been reduced significantly.

So spare us the pipe dreams, and fix what you can, and privatise aggressively now, in both Eskom and the crumbling Transnet, on terms that will attract investors.

There is no other way.

We cannot support this vote.


The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): The IFP.

Oh you’re here.

The EFF.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 156 Mr M N PAULSEN (EFF): House Chair, you can never call that dying party before the EFF.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): No, don’t refer to dying parties, you may soon get there.

Mr M N PAULSEN: No, we are going to die here.

Chairperson, the disposal of 51% of government shares in SA Airways, is continuing as a secret.
In the meeting of SCOPA, the committee members were told that the R51 sale to Takatso was above board, and there is nothing wrong with it.

But we know that this is not too.

We know that state-owned entities are weakened so that the assets are sold to cronies of the ANC for a fractional virial value.

We also know that, the plan to steep the strategic assets is political, and seeks to perpetuate future of EFF government at the mercy of the white capitalist establishment.
Two burning issues remain, and South Africans need to know.

Is the sale of 51% of SAA share still ongoing?

Has Takatso paid any money towards the operation of SAA?

If not, SAA is operational as we speak, even though it is operating at a minimal capacity.

Surely, SAA is able to operate without Takatso, as it is doing UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 157 now.

Takatso brings nothing strategic to the table, it’s just another ANC looting spree.

We object to this Budget Vote.


Mr N SINGH(IFP): Thank you, Chairperson.

I am making the declaration on behalf of hon Buthelezi.

Chairperson, we certainly do not rejoice in the failure of our state-owned entities.

We have a duty to our country as members of this House, to ensure that our entities such as Eskom, SAA and Denel, do better, but they can only do better, when there is a sufficient political will to do so, by our government.
The IFP has long held the view that these state-owned entities need a total overall and funding model.

We have on numerous occasions suggested on this House that, the privatisation or a public partnership model would work best to turn these entities into profitable and sustainable companies.

While the suggestion remains ignored, the IFP will not support this budget.

Thank you.

Mr N L S NKWANKWA (UDM): Thank you very much, House Chair.
An independent evaluation report on SAA with all its subsidiaries and assets, including routes aircraft, technical and aircraft spares, duty-free aprons services and properties, will show that 51% cannot be just handed over just for nil UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 158 consideration.

As you understand, SAA’s engineering division alone, might worth at least R5 billion in assets and intellectual property.
The question therefore is, how much is this 51% stake actually work for, or is it the true value of SAA.

The other issue that we have always wondered is, why has there been no complete transparency in so far as this deal is concerned?
What also concerns us greatly is that, not only with SAA, but as it is the case with other SOEs, it seems to be an agenda to destroy SOEs and privatise them so that the Comrades in corruption, can actually be in line to benefit from these SOEs, which is something we do not support and something we do not agree with.

It is exactly what Eskom is experiencing at the moment, as is the case with other entities.

For those reasons, we are not going to support this Budget Vote, Chair.

Thank you.
Thank you.

Ms J TSHABALALA (ANC): Chief Whip, Deputy Chief Whip, House Chair, the ANC supports the Appropriation Bill for the Department of Public Enterprises.

The work of the Department of Public Enterprises, in so far as turning around the SOEs shows positive results, and with the support of this Appropriation Bill, more positive results will be visible.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 159 Transnet is currently implementing the Private Sector Partnership, PSP, business model, to respond effectively to the inefficiencies in the port and rail network, and this must strengthen the competitiveness, operational, as performance and financial sustainability.
With that said, I want to employ, hon Mr Bheki Cele, to really come and assist with so far as the Booysens Metal, where there is in the informal settlement, all they are taken by illegal, rather people, that are doing illegal mining.

So, the community really needs your help, even Councillor Monyameni will be appreciative if definitely, Ndosi, you can come down.
On the SAA, DA, we have constantly reminded Parliament that aviation business had difficult area that the COVID-19 pandemic, had the devastating effect on aviation worldwide.

But the DA is deaf to good sense and blind to alternative ways of dealing in aviation, and as SAA in particular.

The money appropriated to SAA is the amount needed to complete the implementation of the business rescue plan.
These are legal obligation where money is required to pay creditors and for unflown tickets and liabilities, let me repeat, these are legal obligations that we have to repeat.

Now, we are fortunate that SAA survived, colleagues, business rescue, UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 160 founded better partner and it is modestly chipping to the skies.

At the same time, SAA must be careful about the impact of fuel prices.
Now, Mr Lees really tried to defend the majority white pilots earlier in this process, now, you continue to undermine the potential success of a unique restructuring as a state entity, SAA will survive the activity and antagonism.

On yourself, hon Cachalia, similarly, Comair will go even on more difficult process, with the devastating impact on staff.
We have extended our empathy with them, but what Mr Lees and hon Cachalia don’t ask themselves is, what impact problematic business decision such as deals with Boieng, have own viability of the aviation in business?

This is what we really having to be dealing with, hon Cachalia, privatisation, start to privatise the DA.

We support the vote.

Question put.

Division demanded.

The House divided.


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 161 The House Chairperson, Mr C T Frolick, announced that, the Speaker had determined that, in accordance with the Rules, a manual voting procedure would be used and that the whips would conduct a headcount of members in the chamber and on the virtual platform for the purpose of ascertaining quorum and voting.

A quorum being present in terms of Rule 98(1), voting commenced.

[Take in from Minutes.]


Vote accordingly agreed to.

Vote No 11 – Public Service and Administration – put.

Declarations of Vote: Dr L A SCHREIBER: Hon House Chairperson, last Friday the DA did what this government, and specifically this department, has steadfastly refused to do.

We declared war on cadre deployment corruption.

The DA’s court case against ANC cadre deployment is unprecedented.

For the first time in our democratic history, we have put the entire ANC on trial.
We have done so because we understand that this administration, UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 162 led by a man who not only chaired the cadre deployment committee but who stands accused of fraud himself, has no intention to replace our corrupt and failing state with a capable state.

In many ways this historic court case is not even really about the ANC.

This dying party and its corrupt practices represent the past.
Instead, with this court case, the DA has actively started to build the future that will follow after the collapse of the ANC in 2024.

By outlawing cadre deployment ahead of the next election, the DA will lay the foundation for the success of the government we intend to constitute after that election.

Thanks to the action we took last week, the era of reconstruction that will come after the collapse of the ANC will be free from all forms of cadre deployment.
In its place will be a constitutional firewall that separates party and State.

This will make it illegal for any political party to ever again perpetrate cadre deployment corruption and state capture.

By outlawing this corrupt practice, the DA will ensure that our incoming administration appoints all officials on the basis of merit alone — know-how, instead of know-who.
With this case, the DA has demonstrated that we are not waiting UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 163 until 2024 to shape the future we want for the country we love so dearly.

By declaring war on cadre deployment in all its forms, the DA is positioned as the solutions-focused political home for all South Africans who not only want an end the era of ANC-engineered decline, but who want to ensure that the country we build after the fall of the ANC is one we can all be proud of.
Thank you.

[Applause.]

Ms M M NTULI: House Chairperson, the ANC supports Vote 11.

The Department of Public Service and Administration is responsible for establishment of norms and standards in the public service across all spheres of government.

The department needs to fast track the finalisation of the Public Service and Administration Amendment Bill and the Public Service Amendment Bill.

The Department must also ensure that public service regulations are complied with.
Lifestyle audits in the public service were implemented to ensure transparency and to cap the plight of corruption.

The department should ensure for uniformity of the implementation of lifestyle audits in the public service.
We therefore commend the department for having launched the Public Administration Ethics, Integrity and Disciplinary Technical Assistance unit to improve ethical and anti- UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 164 corruption policy, strengthen ethical infrastructure, discipline management and synchronisation of all three levels of public administration.
Corruption and poor performance prohibits South Africans’ access to better services, and the ANC-led government is fighting corruption in all its manifestation.

I thank you, House Chairperson.

Division demanded.

The House divided.

[Take in from minutes] Question agreed to.

Vote accordingly agreed to.

Vote No 12 – Public Service Commission – put.

Question agreed to (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front Plus and African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 165 Vote accordingly agreed to.

Vote No 13 – Public Works and Infrastructure – put.

Declarations of Vote: Ms S GRAHAM: Hon House Chairperson, this is the third budget and annual performance plan that we have been asked to approve in the Sixth Parliament.
While the Department of Public Works and Infrastructure is absolutely central to the functioning of government at every sphere, it has been beset by problems, scandals and disasters over the last three years.

Under the leadership of Minister Patricia De Lille, the Department of Public Works and Infrastructure has lurched from the Beit Bridge Washing Line debacle to the destruction of our National Assembly by fire.
From the ongoing battles between the Minister and the Director-General of the Department, Sam Vukela, who has spent over 2 years on paid suspension, to the failure of the Minister to address the claims of abuse and sexual harassment at the South African Council of Architect Professionals.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 166 The land invasions on Public Works property in Knofflokskraal in the Western Cape, spearheaded by members of GOOD in the run up to the 2021 elections, placed the Minister in direct conflict with her department.

A fact she denied.

It seems that under her leadership, both her department and her party are in crisis.
At every available opportunity, hon Brett Heron of GOOD has demanded that the DA act with transparency in investigations, appoint external investigators and widen the scope of the current investigation dealing with sexual harassment claims against a DA leader.
Yet, in dealing with the allegations against a GOOD MPL and a GOOD Deputy Mayor of sexual harassment, skinny-dipping in front of party members and, I quote, “acts of gehoerdery”, we are required to be satisfied with a blanket claim of the confidentiality of their internal processes.

To quote the hon Heron, “The hypocrisy is astounding”.

At least the members of the Minister’s party now have a use for the washing line – it seems it is needed to air GOOD’s stinking panties.
We do not support this Minister’s budget.

I thank you.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon members, order.

Order, hon members.

I want to caution hon members on use of UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 167 language.

Even if you quote an outside source, you cannot bring it in to the House.

However, no party Whip objected to the use of that language, but the language is inappropriate.

The ACDP?

[Interjections.]


Hon member of the DA at the back, I have just made a ruling and you repeated it.

Will you withdraw that remark?

[Inaudible.]

No, you must get up and withdraw.

An HON MEMBER: I withdraw it.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Thank you.

The ACDP?
The ACDP?

Mr W M THRING: Hon House Chairperson, in the recent Budget Vote debate of Public Works and Infrastructure the ACDP called for an accelerated public and private partnership to unlock the potential of property assets worth hundreds of billions of rands.

Shockingly, the department, as the largest property portfolio holder in the country, is unable to leverage the competitive and comparative advantage it has in the property sector.
Billions of rands to be added to government coffers if due consideration was given to this public and private partnership to eliminate inefficiencies, corruption graft and contraventions of the Public Finance Management Act, PFMA — UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 168 all too prevalent in this department.
To underscore this point of the ACDP, one only needs to look at the debacle of the Telkom towers purchased for R695 million in 2016 as the South African Police Service, Saps, headquarters but has remained empty for over five years.

While some progress has been made with the project, there are still numerous ongoing challenges.

Furthermore, the ACDP was the only party that called for an external investigation into the R85 million Jersey Barrier Wall Project along the South African Mozambican border.
In this regard, we welcome the investigation by the Special Investigating Unit, SIU, into the tender irregularities at the Kosi Bay Border Post.

The ACDP has continuously raised the important issue of the state’s immovable asset register necessary to contribute towards economic and social development and transformation of the built environment.

This mandate will never be accomplished without a complete immovable asset register.
The state cannot unlock land and property for social and economic development if it has no accurate record of what it owns.

The ACDP does not support this Budget Vote.

I thank you.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 169 Ms L N MJOBO: Hon House Chairperson, the ANC supports Budget Vote 13 of Public Works and Infrastructure.

The ANC supports the Appropriation Bill for Budget Vote on Public Works and Infrastructure.
The programmes and projects of the department seek to optimise the value of the government property and contribute substantially to job creation through the Expanded Public Works Programme, EPWP.

This programme has created nearly a million jobs per annum and will reach its five million jobs target over the Medium-Term Strategy Framework period.

The efficiency of the department is expected to perform better through the implementation of the 10 areas of business improvement.
Infrastructure South Africa is geared towards playing a critical role in infrastructure development as part of the Economic Restructuring and Recovery Plan.

Reversing poverty, inequality and unemployment is important to the people of the country, and therefore supporting the Budget Vote of the department is supporting infrastructure development skills and job creation.

Thank you, House Chairperson.

The ANC supports the Budget Vote.

Division demanded.
Division demanded.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 170 The House divided.

[Take in from minutes] Vote accordingly agreed to.

Vote No 14 – Statistics South Africa – agreed to (Democratic Alliance, African Christian Democratic Party, Economic Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front Plus dissenting).

Vote No 15 – Traditional Affairs – put.

Declarations of vote made on behalf of the Inkatha Freedom Party, National Freedom Party and African National Congress.
Declaration of vote: Ms S A BUTHELEZI: Thank you, House Chairperson.

The IFP has consistently and adamantly call for the strengthen of co- operation between traditional leaders and former government structures.

Traditional leaders speak on behalf of millions of South Africans and they cannot play second ...

[Inaudible.]

in the developmental agenda.


The Presidency’s recent Budget Vote speech on the Presidency held that we also sought to engage at the Presidency level which traditional leaders to address UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 171 their specific challenges including the issue of land and ...

[Inaudible.]

and that the Deputy President will apparently provide feedback on this process.
The lack of detail on such engagement is astonishing and we submit that the government is simply paying lip-service to this commitment.

The department’s annual performance plan reveal that guidelines have been published on section 24 of the Traditional and Khoi-San Leadership Act providing details on the partnerships between the government and traditional leaders.

However, this Act already came into operation in April 2021.

Why did it take more than a year for the government to publish these regulations?
Lofty promises of involving traditional leaders mean very little.

We need to see clear commitments and actual involvement of these traditional leaders.

Lastly, the IFP wishes to stress its deep concern over the murder of traditional leaders in KwaZulu-Natal.

We have been vocal about brutal killings of these leaders and we submit strongly that much more urgent intervention is needed from the government.

The time for promises is over we need the government to act now.

I thank you.
I thank you.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 172 Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Thank you, hon House Chairperson.

Let me start off by talking about the new Traditional and Khoi-San Leadership Bill that was signed by President Cyril Ramaphosa.

Many people on the ground have raised concerns about this particularly the fundamental rights in showing about the power of unelected and predominantly male traditional leaders in rural areas.
We know that despite the fact that many of us coming to this House and promote the interest of women particularly, but we know in traditional areas and rural areas, of course, women’s rights are violated because is a male-dominated society.

However, let me also raise a concern that South Africa subscribes to the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, UNDRIP, and that is the protection of indigenous people’s rights.
The Khoi and San who are and without any dispute, the first indigenous nation in this country everyone white, coloured, black and everybody came here after the Khoi and San were already here.

Therefore, I’m not saying there’s no work being done.

A lot of work has been done in this regard, however, not enough is being done in this country to address the rights of the Khoi and San people.
It’s actually a slap in the face when we talk about languages and many other languages are being introduced but not looking at the Khoi and San language.

Very important UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 173 is the restitution of land, particularly if you look at what is happening in the two rivers project down the road which has significance to the Khoi and San nation where they have actually had to go to court to stop the project.
The National Freedom Party wants to raise this concern that we think it is time that we deal with the challenges that the Khoi and San face.

The NFP will support this.

Thank you very much.

Mr G G MPUNZA: Thank you, hon House Chair.

Hon House Chair and hon members, the Department of Traditional Affairs informed by the ANC policies has demonstrated its commitment to the vision of a community development oriented institution of traditional leadership.
Since the promulgation of the Traditional and Khoi-San Leadership Act No 3 of 2019, we have seen progress from the department in terms of pursuing its objectives which, amongst others, are to provide for the recognition of Traditional and Khoi-San communities, establishment and composition of traditional local house of traditional and Khoi-San leaders and the development of the Customary Law.

Department through its budget will be able to strengthen the progress in the ...

[Inaudible.]
[Inaudible.]

resolution of the success in dispute and traditional leadership.

Stability in the traditional leadership is ...

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in which we will be UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 174 able to pursue social cohesion in our communities through programmes aimed at creating awareness around gender-based violence and femicide, xenophobia and other challenges which affect the youth of our communities.
This budget also creates the basis for traditional and Khoi-San communities play a greater role development.

The ANC fully supports the budget.

Question agreed to (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).

Vote accordingly agreed to.

Vote No 16 – Basic Education – put.


Declarations of vote made on behalf of the Democratic Alliance, Inkatha Freedom Party, Economic Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front Plus, United Democratic Movement, National Freedom Party and African National Congress.

Declaration of Vote: Ms D VAN DER WALT: House Chairperson, quality education for our children should always be a high priority as we invest in their future and the growth of our country.
It is, therefore, important that the consideration of Vote and Schedule in the Appropriation Bill doesn’t become here a ticking of the boxes UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 175 exercise.

The ...

[Inaudible.]

on investment in our children must realise into opportunity whilst ending poverty and unemployment.

We will achieve it if we have over 1 500 unqualified teachers.

No.

We will achieve it if we have 24 000 teacher vacancies.

No.
No.

We will achieve it when many learners don’t receive learning and teaching support material, LTSM, every year.

No.

We will achieve it when the hike in petrol prices will cause an increase in food prices and our children will suffer from malnutrition.

No.

We will achieve it in overcrowded classrooms.

No.

We will achieve it when 45% of our learners drop out before matric.

No.

We will achieve it when the greatest learning losses can be seen in the Foundation Phase.

No.
No.

We will achieve it if we ignore more effective better catch-up plans.

No.

We will achieve it if our children can’t read with meaning.

No.

We will achieve it if we continue to ignore the importance of mother tongue education to all language users.

No.

We will achieve it if we continue to neglect our children with special needs.

No.

We will achieve it with the rising teenage pregnancies.

No.

We will achieve it if we pass the Bill ...

[Inaudible.]
[Inaudible.]

which seeks to centralise powers to politicians and officials just UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 176 like the previous government school system.

No.

We will achieve it when this Bill forces more administrative burden on our teachers.

No.

We will achieve it if we remove the powers of school governing bodies, SGBs, to determine the language and admission policies of their local communities.

No.

Thank you, Acting House Chair.


Dr S S THEMBEKWAYO: The Economic Freedom Fighters rejects Vote 16 for the Department of Basic Education as presented.

Acting House Chairperson, it was the architect of apartheid who once said that black should never be shown the greener pastures of education.

They should know that their station in life is to be hewers of wood and drawers of water.
South Africa’s education system even under a black government perpetuates inequality, poverty and indignity characterised by crumbling infrastructure, overcrowded classrooms and poor education outcomes with unproductive obsession with Grade 12 quantitative results.

For instance, a recent international survey found that more than three-quarters of children aged nine cannot read for meaning.

In some provinces this is as high as 91% in Limpopo and 81% in the Eastern Cape.
The Minister will insist that the Medium-Term Expenditure Framework allocated of about R9 billion increasing by 4,9% UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 177 from 2021 to 2022 overall allocation demonstrate the department’s commitment.

However, the department’s own statistics show that out of 23 471 public schools, 20 071 have no laboratories, 18 019 have no libraries, 16 897 have no internet, 239 have no electricity and many more have inadequate sanitation facilities.
The gap in the tested scores between the top 20% schools and then is enormous.

The department cannot even adhere to its own norms and standards for school infrastructure that it took almost eight years and pressure from Civil Society Equal Education to build a decent school at Vukile Tshwete Secondary School in Keiskammahoek in the Eastern Cape to finally have flushing toilets.

Beyond infrastructure challenges lack of sufficient transport in ...

[Inaudible.]
[Inaudible.]

and mostly black learners’ right to education with learners walking over 3 kilometres even though Basic Education and the Transport Department are required to ensure transport is provided to Grade 12 learners who live more than 3 kilometres from schools.

The EFF rejects the budget in its current form and calls for the review and reform of how the education budget is distributed to achieve equitable access to education.
Supporting this budget will be supporting the repeated failures of the government to address the issues of lack of UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 178 accountability from a Minister who has been doing the same mediocre jobs since 2009.

The EFF rejects the budget because conditions at Nyangilizwe Senior Secondary School in Mthatha remains crowded without adequate sanitation.
Putuma Junior Secondary School in Mbhashe Local Municipality has worsen with children forced to relieve themselves in the field because there are simply no decent toilets.

The EFF rejects this Vote 16.

Thank you, Acting House Chair.


Afrikaans: Mnr W J BOSHOFF: Agb Huisvoorsitter, in die dreowige paar oomblikkies wat ek het om te praat oor basiese onderwys gaan ek net op die Basic Education Laws Amendment, Bela, Bill [wetsontwerp] konsentreer, omdat dit om sigself genoeg rede is om teen heirdie begroting te stem.

Die Bela Bill [wetsontwerp] is uitgedateer.

English: ... it has been outdated before even has become law.
It ignores some realities, it ignores online schooling, it ignores collaborative home-schooling, it ignores the fact that people in education use curriculum from all over the world, and it undermines one of the most important federal features UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 179 of South Africa and that is a system of school governing bodies governing schools rather than the state or the department itself.
The question is whether the Department of Basic Education is ready to absorb the whole early childhood development, ECD, system.

Therefore, the conclusion is the ...

[Inaudible.]

is the emblem of the failed state ideology of the ANC which we reject and to end, I just want to say to the hon Thembekwayo that the quote which just started the speech is a false quote it has never been said.

Ms B P MBINGQO-GIGABA: Thank you very much, hon Acting House Chair.
I stand here on behalf of the African National Congress in the Portfolio Committee of Basic Education to declare our support for the Basic Education annual performance report and the Budget Vote No 16.

We submit this declaration few days before we commemorate the 46 years anniversary of students struggles against Bantu Education in June 16 1976.

The generation of 1976 was not only struggled against the use of Afrikaans as a medium of instruction, but also access to free quality education.
Hon Acting House Chairperson, the ANC government has live up to the Freedom Charter injunction that the doors of learning and culture shall be open to all.

The department annual UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 180 performance plan as presented demonstrates the commitment to ensuring free quality and compulsory education.
We have welcome the decision that as from this financial year the early childhood development centres will operate under the Department of Basic Education to ensure that these centres are not only a money-making schemes, but centres of learning and preparation for Grade R. The African National Congress submits its support for the report of the Department of Basic Education and support the Budget Vote No 16.

Thank you, Acting House Chair.

[Applause.]

Division demanded.

The House divided.


Acting Chairperson Ms R M M Lesoma announced that, the Speaker had determined that, in accordance with the Rules, a manual voting procedure would be used and that the Whips would conduct a headcount of members in the chamber and on the virtual platform for the purpose of ascertaining quorum and voting.

A quorum being present in terms of Rule 98(1), voting commenced.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 181 Ayes – 239: (ANC – 224; IFP – 12; Good – 2; NFP - 1).

Noes – 114: (DA - 72; EFF - 29; FF Plus - 9; ACDP – 3; UDM - 1).

Question agreed to.

Vote accordingly agreed to.

Vote No 17 – Higher Education and Training – put.

Declarations of vote Mr N SINGH (IFP): Thank you, House chairperson.

Students are up in arms across our country demanding to be heard.

Students claim they haven’t received their accommodation allowances.
Others say that the institution’s failure to submit data to National Student Financial Aid Scheme, NSFAS, harmed them.

Many students have been denied registration.

Far too many students remain financially excluded despite this government’s commitment to free higher education, fee-free.

Chairperson, the situation countrywide at our various universities and colleges remain tense.
This can be due to heightened frustrations of access, transformation and UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 182 financial distress.

I say that campuses have become pressure cookers, and soon, if we are not to rectify the financial lifeline promised our students things are going to pop off countrywide.

We must avoid such a student uprising.

We must do what is right and we must ensure that this budget is going to be spent on the intended items outlined in the budget.
We have to support this budget because our students need to be supported, but much more can be done going forward in this department.

Thank you very much, hon House Chair.

Ms K D MAHLATSI (ANC): Thank you very much, House Chair.

I rise on behalf of the ANC in support of Vote 17.

The Department of Higher Education Vote 17 has been one of the rapidly increasing appropriations, particularly the allocation for the National Student Financial Aid Scheme, NSFAS, funds in universities.
The increase in access to universities has created an anomaly in the distribution of the vote, which is largely skewed to universities while Technical and Vocational Education and Training, Tvet, and the Community Education and Training, CET, colleges are significantly underfunded.

This is an area that requires further assessment to ensure that our skills development strategy responds to the various skills needs of our country and our economy.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 183 The socioeconomic impact of our sector education training authorities requires expansion and increased capabilities recognising the level of youth unemployment in our country.

The Budget Vote of the department responds to social challenges affecting students through higher health.
The ANC supports the appropriations to continue with the strides of transforming our society and creating opportunities for all South Africans to realise their full potential for education or equal opportunities.

We urge the department to also focus on numerous transformational issues in the sector, importing, nation building and social cohesion.

We must indicate, Chair, that 2022 has been much for a calmer year in as far as unrests in institutions of higher learning.
Therefore, that is the indication that the department has been doing quite well, though there are some challenges in terms of the National Student Financial Aid Scheme, NSFAS, however, the department spends 75% on its total allocation to the National Student Financial Aid Scheme, NSFAS.

Thank you very much, Chair.

The ANC supports.

Question agreed to (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front Plus, African Christian Democratic Party and United Democratic Movement dissenting).
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 184 The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M LESOMA): Hon members, I shall not recognise an objection that is not before us.

Hon members, that will give us that the motion has been agreed to.

Ms E N NTLANGWINI: On a point of order, House Chair.

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M LESOMA): I have noted the objection of the EFF, hon Ntlangwini.

Ms E N NTLANGWINI: But you said you will not entertain objections which are not before you.
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M LESOMA): Hon Ntlangwini, is that a point of order or you are just interjecting?

Ms E N NTLANGWINI: No, no, no, Chair, don’t do that.

We have given also to the House all of those Votes we are objecting.

Why are you saying you will not entertain the objections that are not in front of you?

Don’t do that.

Don’t collapse the House ...

[Inaudible.]

...

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M LESOMA): ... hon Ntlangwini, hon Ntlangwini, thank you very much.

We shall proceed.
We shall proceed.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 185 Mr N L S KWANKWA: House Chair!

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M LESOMA): We have recognised the objection of the EFF.

Is that a point of order hon uh, ... Mr N L S KWANKWA: Is an objection of the UDM.

There was a ruling earlier, you might not have followed it at the time it was made that the House Chair will then allow people to actually come in and indicate whether they are objecting to votes or not.
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M LESOMA): Are you now indicating, hon member?

Mr N L S KWANKWA: Yea, yea, objection of the UDM.

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M LESOMA): Okay, it is noted.

Vote accordingly agreed to.

Vote No 18 – Health – put.

Declarations of vote: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 186 Ms O CLARKE (DA): Thank you, House Chairperson.
The Department of Health is a clear demonstration of how fraud, corruption and maladministration has destroyed health services for the poor.

COVID-19 corruption is proof of this.

At Livingstone Hospital in the Eastern Cape, they’ve ceased to do orthopedic surgeries because suppliers have not been paid.
When Dr Tim de Maayer penned an open letter to raise serious concerns at Rahima Moosa Children’s Hospital, he was then suspended for speaking out against the shocking conditions and ultimately for being a good doctor.

Looking at the budget in the amount of R8,8 billion has been allocated to the National Health Insurance, NHI.

Historically, this program has been underspent and has not benefited the poor who are increasingly vulnerable to a lack of service delivery.
Considering the massive irregularities in procurement and the mismanagement of funds, R8,8 billion of taxpayers’ money allocated will be at risk.

South Africans are increasingly cash strapped despite this, the department will be funding the National Health Insurance, NHI, with an increase in income tax.

South Africans are being taxed to death and can simply not afford another tax or levy.
It is unfortunate that income tax UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 187 is being targeted.

Funding should rather be used to ensure our state hospitals infrastructure is maintained and upgraded, to ensure compliance to norms and standards, and in order to lower negligence claims, to ensure that we have the necessary skills and human resources to provide quality universal healthcare.
We currently have a vacancy rate of 21,453 posts for nursing and 0,31 for every thousand patients in doctor services.

Our medical legal claims are amounting to around R3 billion per annum.

Throwing money to the problem without addressing corruption will not solve the problems of our health system.

Fix up current healthcare system so that South Africans can receive healthcare that they deserve.
The National Health Insurance, NHI, would just become another failed state-owned entity, SOE, that will be plundered by fraud, corruption and mismanagement by the ANC cadres.

The DNA will not support the Department of Health Budget.

I thank you.

Ms N N CHIRWA (EFF): Thank you, House Chair.

Chairperson, it only benefits the tenderpreneurs associated with the ANC to turn a blind eye on the reality that our public healthcare system has officially collapsed.
This is the reality that President Ramaphosa’s administration has intentionally lead us UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 188 to.

To absolutely render the state useless whilst empowering the private sector for the benefit of capitalists.

We are officially in full motion in witnessing the health sector suffer a complete collapse and the transfer of our people into the hands of the private sector for monetary benefits through Bills like the National Health Insurance.
Then, we see the most gruesome display of capitalist greed; putting a price on people’s lives and wellbeing, tenderising our people’s illnesses, outsourcing our human rights to healthcare to the Bill Gates and private sector faction that the President belongs to and works tirelessly for.

Our hospitals continue to have a shortage of nurses, doctors and general staff.
Our clinics continue having shortages of medicines even tertiary institutions like the Steve Biko Academic Hospital are suffering from the complacency of this government.

...

[Inaudible.]

... not basic of equipments, no service to cater for the health needs of our people.

We will continue to drum the truth into your heads.
The prevention, primary healthcare and education will forever remain a myth in the public sector so long as a poor person has to wait for a weekend to pass in order to be assisted in our clinics.

Women UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 189 in the Eastern Cape have to travel outside of their provinces in order to access termination of pregnancies.
To date, Minister Joe Phaahla has done absolutely “fokol” to assist the black women who were forcefully sterilised by the ANC government.

A crime of humanity ...

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M Lesoma): Hon member, hon member, point of order.

One second, just take your seat.

Please, take your seat.

The word that you have used is unparliamentary.

I would request that you withdraw.

The “fokol” one.

You are asking me and I am telling you.

Ms N N CHIRWA (EFF): ...

[Inaudible.]

... nothing.


The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M Lesoma): No, no, hon member, just withdraw.

Ms N N CHIRWA (EFF): And to date, Mr Joe Phaahla has done absolutely nothing to assist the black women who were forcefully sterilised ... UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 190 The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M Lesoma): ... point of order, hon member, Chirwa.

Just take your seat.

Hon member, I have requested her to withdraw ... Ms N N CHIRWA (EFF): ...

I did ...
I did ...

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M Lesoma): ... no, no, wait.

Wait!

Wait!

She has done that.

Then, I am explaining it to the House.

So, you may proceed with your declaration.

Ms N N CHIRWA (EFF): Thank you, Chairperson ...

The ACTING HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M Lesoma): ... is there a point of order somewhere?

Proceed, hon member.

Ms N N CHIRWA (EFF): Thank you very much, Chairperson.
And to date, Mr Joe Phaahla has done absolutely nothing to assist the black women who were forcefully sterilised by the ANC government.

A crime of humanity of the highest order globally that we last saw during the days of slavery and apartheid.

It must be known today that this is not the end.

The ANC government is not our permanent destination as a country.
We reject this Budget Report in as much as we reject a tired, grumpy and lazy Minister, Joe Phaahla, and the money launderer UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 191 who is held band to sell this country to the establishment whilst our people suffer and die.

Thank you very much, Chairperson.

Mr T B MUNYAI (ANC): Thank you very much, hon House Chairperson and the people of South Africa, the African National Congress rises in support of the Budget Vote 18.
As the ANC we remain steadfast and committed to leaving no one behind.

It is our understanding that this proposed Budget Vote is clear and solid.

Therefore, we will expand government efforts aimed at supporting South Africans whose lives have been plunged into distress, especially after COVID-19 has brought the unprecedented consequences that left the people of South Africa and the global humankind that has never seen.
The declaration unashamedly supports the tabled Budget Vote 18 by the hon Minister of Health on the basis that the proposed budget contribute to the broader agenda to provide the comprehensive package of social services to the economically vulnerable people of our country.

A vote for this budget is vote for progress and vote for this budget is a vote for the proposed alignment with the agenda of universal social protection for the vulnerable.
This include the universal health coverage as understood in our contest of the National UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 192 Health Insurance to change the quality of healthcare for all of our people regardless of socioeconomic status.

I thank you.

Mr M N PAULSEN: Chairperson, we raised this earlier ...

[Inaudible.]

...

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M Lesoma): ... hon Paulsen, hon Paulsen, please, can I explain to you why ... Mr M N PAULSEN: ...

[Inaudible.]

...
[Inaudible.]

...

The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M Lesoma): ... no, no, hon Paulsen, just sit down.

Thank you.

Division demanded.

The House divided.

Ayes – 239: [TAKE IN FROM MINUTES].

Noes – 112: [TAKE IN FROM MINUTES].

Question agreed to.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 193 Vote accordingly agreed to.

Vote No 19 — Social Development — put.


Declaration(s) of vote: Ms B S MASANGO: Hon Acting Chairperson, never before was the gap between announcements of relief from hunger and starvation and the actual fulfilment of those announcements wider for millions in South Africa as it is today.

The hon president announced in February this year that the Social Relief of Distress, SRD Grant of R350 would be extended to March 2023.
Today, no less than 10 million hungry would-be beneficiaries have not seen a cent of the grant.

They are starving but we have to add to this fact that the basic food basket has increased dramatically in the same timeframe.

According to the Household Food Index by Pietermaritzburg Economic Justice and Dignity Group, last year a food basket cost R4 137 11.

In May 2022 this year, the same food basket had increased to R4 609 89.
The lack of caring for the people by government is astounding – given the hardships the poor and the vulnerable experience daily.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 194 Firstly, it was appeals that date back to August 2021 that have not been paid, then it was the closure of post offices that saw beneficiaries traveling long distances to receive their grants.

Now it is the delay in paying the meagre R350.


While these gaps continue to widen, heart-wrenching reports explode daily of children dying of acute malnutrition.

It is for this reason, Chairperson, that the DA is calling for clarity on the actual date the grant and the back pay for the months that have lapsed will be paid.
A caring government would do all it takes to ensure that so many vulnerable people, at the very least, are able to keep hunger and starvation at bay even if it cannot restore their dignity and protect their lives and livelihoods.

That is certainly not the current ANC-led government.

Thank you.

Ms L L VAN DER MERWE: Hon House Chairperson, let me just first start by correcting hon Paulsen.

The IFP more than doubled our municipalities from 12 to 29 in the past election.
So, when the IFP becomes a governing party in KwaZulu-Natal in 2024, his party would still be an opposition, a party without a single municipality.

So, he must not mislead the House by the comments he made about the IFP earlier.

The IFP is trying.
The IFP is trying.

Chairperson, that been said, in response to question sent to UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 195 the Minister of Social Development by the IFP, the following facts have come to light about this department and its spending habits during the past financial year.

Firstly, they have cut funding to more than the 1 600 NPOs in the Eastern Cape affecting the elderly and the children.
Due to budget cuts in the North West, many NPOs are on the verge of closing their doors.

One such Tlokwe Centre looking after the gender-based violence victims can no longer pay its staff.

In Gauteng, a frail care centre looking after the elderly is also on the verge of shutting down due to a lack of funds.
Even more alarming are the following facts: The Western Cape Department of Social Development failed to spend R20,3 million meant for sanitary dignity towels and for purchasing vehicles for disabled children.

The Free State, KwaZulu-Natal and Limpopo failed to spend money meant for vulnerable children through Early Childhood Development Centres, ECDC and the ECDCs stimulus package.
One of the worst offenders was the Gauteng Department of Social Development which did not spend a single cent of R122 million meant to employ social workers.

At the time when thousands of social workers are sitting at home but the unemployment is a national crisis and social ills UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 196 are on the rise.

This is an absolute disgrace.


It is on this basis that the fact of this department is not spending its millions it is allocated to protect he vulnerable.

The fact that it is not spending its funds to fight malnutrition to protect the elderly, to fight gender-based violence, protect gender-based violence victims, to protect those with disabilities and to roll-out sanitary dignity products.

We record our opposition to this vote and we will abstain.

Our vulnerable citizens deserve better.

I thank you.
I thank you.

Ms T BREEDT: Hon Madam Chairperson, this department and its entities have had a huge responsibility over the past year and will have for many years to come.

Climate changes and all other disasters are putting a burden over this department and they need to be prepared which they are not.

We have seen multiple issues with the payment of the R350, Social Relief of Distress Grant.

Since its re-inception in April, many applicants have still not seen a cent.
This is not taking into account of the people who have given up of receiving these funds at all.

Afrikaans: Subsidies aan nie-winsgewende en welsynsorganisasies is gereeld ’n kopseer.

Uitbetalings geskied nie soos wat dit moet UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 197 nie, kommunikasie en terugvoer is afwesig en dit veroorsaak dat baie van hierdie organisasies wat ’n ongelooflike werk verrig, buitengewoon sukkel, nie hul werk kan doen nie en selfs hul deure moet sluit.
Ons gaan daarop moet fokus.

Dan, ons ou mense was die bouers van Suid-Afrika.

Dit is aan hulle toedoen dat Suid-Afrika die voedselmandjie van Afrika is.

Dit is net reg dat daar na hulle op hul oudag omgesien word.

Maar ’n verhoging van R90 in hul ouderdomstoelaag, wat nie eers die inflasie van die mees basiese geriewe soos water en krag insluit nie, is nie regverdig nie.

Baie moet van hul kinders afhanklik wees maar nie almal het daardie luuksheid nie.

Ons verarm ons mees weerloses.


Dit is nie regverdig teenoor die bouers van ons nasie nie.

Ons kan nie hierdie begroting aanvaar nie.

Dankie.

Ms M E SUKERS: Hon Chairperson, this is the theatre of the absurd.

Theatrics in the House may get social media views but the price is the further despair of our people.

Our places in this Chamber have been brought through blood, tears and long toil years.
The ACDP believes and stands on this that we are in Parliament to serve the people of this nation in a way that honours the price paid for our seats.

As public UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 198 representatives, we have the constitutional duty to provide oversight and represent the interests of our communities.
The politics of easy answers promises communities, they will rid South Africans of unwanted and illegal immigrants by raiding small spaza shops in the Karoo and in doing so contribute into the lawlessness that we saw in Diepsloot that cost the man’s life.
The politics of convenience and privilege in the Western Cape, issues of corruption in the governing party at a national level have led to the place where civil servants can easily ignore the constitutional mandate of Parliament and the voices of the people they are employed to serve.

Their powerful political networks prevent them from being held accountable to this House and through this House to the people they serve.
It seems we now have to beg for officials to answer phones, to appear before the committees and we are regularly told that they have other commitments.

Then, there are those outside the circles of the governing party who would rather see less than for our people than do all we can to ensure that our people are empowered to drive change.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 199 Surely, we cannot be that blind to see that we are opening the door for further collapse and failure that would plunge this country into further social darkness.

We are facing the worst social crisis any of us can remember.

In August 2019, a beautiful youngster entered the post office and in broad daylight Uyinene Mrwetyana lost her life in the most horrific manner imaginable.
Both Uyinene and Jess Hess who died in the same month are in many ways representing the of our dreams of our country.

The dream is dying as young lives are lost on the flats.

A body count that resembles a war zone goes on unabated in our country.

It seems that there is no balm in Gilead.

Last week a woman was murdered brutally and her infant was left on top of her copse alive.

We are starring into the abyss.


Transformation in how we do politics is now a national imperative if we want to avoid a systemic collapse in South Africa.

The right kind of politics is to put people first but we are not doing so, shamefully.

We expect our people to hold their breath in between the elections.

They must wait for elections between the elections.
I received a call from the community organisations here in the Western Cape who are scared that they will lose funding dare UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 200 they make a wrong move by associating with this or that branch of government.

It is reportedly the same across the country that community organisations are held at ransom by political allegiance.

This House must drive political and social reforms for the remainder of this term.
We must drive it by giving power to our communities and take seriously oaths we made before God and men or we will go down in history as a Parliament that put a show while hunger, poverty, lawlessness and violence are standing at the gate.

I thank you.

Mr B N HERRON: Hon Acting Chairperson, we have no declaration.

Thank you.
Thank you.

Mr D M STOCK (ANC): Hon Acting House Chairperson, I would like to rise in support of the Budget Vote 9 of the Social Development as it seeks to address a number of socioeconomic challenges.

Key to the ANC’s social transformation programme is the meeting of the social needs which are aimed at strategically dealing with the triple challenges of poverty, unemployment and inequality.
These are at the heart of the Social Protection Policy which deals with the number of challenges that the majority of our people are confronted UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 201 with.

This is in particular the vulnerable and the poor communities of our people.

The ANC remains committed to improving the people’s livelihood through poverty alleviation and building a caring and self- reliant generation.
A rejection of the budget vote in my view is actually a disregard of the reality that our people are facing with regards to poverty, unemployment and inequality.

A number of millions of our ordinary ground people are actually waiting and actually relying on this Budget Vote of the Social Development.

So, I do not think that this is a right moment to come and talk politics by some of our colleagues in the opposition benches and my learned colleagues in the portfolio committee.
I think we need to take the lives of our people very seriously and rise in support of the budget votes.

Indeed, these social services that are actually provided by the Department of Social Development are in affirmation for many that the ANC- led government cares.

Thank you very much hon House Chair.

Division called.

Voting.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 202 Agreed to.

Vote No 20 — Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities — put.
Declaration(s) of vote: Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Chairperson, did you know that in South Africa, 21,3% of children under the age of 17 years and younger do not live with their parents, and yet internationally, most children under the age of 18 live with both parents.

Consequently, many children are raised by their grandparents or other relatives, especially in rural areas.
In South Africa, the more children there are in a household, and that is more than four children, the greater the chances are that they are being looked after by extended family members ... 84,5%.

In South Africa, only about 22% of children have daily contact with their biological fathers and in 2018 only 36%, which is now 22%, of children live with their fathers.

So the question we need to ask is — and I know many people attack the SA Police Service and ask them to do your work — what is going wrong?
What is the role of the women of today?

Because every child that might not know who the father is — UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 203 nine out of ten times — knows who the mother is and lives with the mother or with the grandparents.

What is the message that we are sending to our children?

So, my message today to the mothers and the women of this country is, choose the fathers for your children.
Make the right decision because if you choose the wrong fathers for your children you will have dysfunctional families.

You have the opportunity to make that choice.

If you make the wrong choice, it is the children that are going to suffer because of it.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Order hon members!

Order!

Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Yes, thank you.

The reason why I’m saying this is because many people raise concerns about the high crime rate in South Africa, about rapists and about murderers.
And, let us be honest that none of these were born rapists and murderers.

So the question is, what went wrong?

When did it go wrong?

How did it go wrong?

Why did it go wrong?

Why are we allowing it to go wrong?

Why are we having children with men ... 78% of them don’t want to play any role in the life of the child?

Why are we choosing men that don’t want to pay maintenance for their children?
So I think to some extent ... UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 204 Ms E N NTLANGWINI: On a point of order, Chairperson.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon Shaik Emam, there is a point of order.

The hon Ntlangwini?

Ms E N NTLANGWINI: Thank you, House Chair.

I think the comments that the hon Shaik is making are very sexist.

Secondly, why is he not addressing the issue with men and say that men must man up?

He must stop addressing it with women.


He must stop being sexist.

Maybe perhaps that’s why he is not married.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Thank you, hon Ntlangwini.

Hon Shaik Emam, you may continue.

I will look into the matter.

Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Hon Ntlangwini, thank you.

However, if you give me an opportunity ... I’m coming to the men.

I’m coming to the men.

Yes, I agree that men are not angels.

Men must take more responsibility for their children.
No matter what your differences are with your girlfriends or your wives, those children are innocent.

You need to pay maintenance.

You need UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 205 to be in their lives.

You need to make sure that those children are going to school.

If you look at the number of children today on the streets alone that are not even going to school and we are doing nothing about it ...
So, what I’m saying is that we need collective responsibility between mothers and fathers, and men and women, in order to create a better society for the future.

If we are not going to do that we are going to have what we have today ... dysfunctional families.

That is why we are having so many children becoming criminals, rapists and murderers.

That is what I’m saying.

Thank you very much.

The NFP supports this Budget Vote.

Ms A S MHLONGO: Thank you very much House Chair.


I rise on behalf of the ANC in support of Budget Vote 20.

Gender-based violence and femicide, GBVF, has reached serious crisis proportion in our country.

Every year we pay condolences and bury women that have been murdered by men.

We need to put an end to GBVF in our country and effectively implement the National Strategic Plan of GBVF in all spheres of government, particularly local spheres, as it is the sphere closest to our people.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 206 We must continue to advocate for the rights of persons with disabilities, and not to be silent on issues pertaining to persons belonging to the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, queer and/or questioning, and asexual, LGBTQIA, plus community.
As our youth is faced with high levels of unemployment, we must also pay attention to the manifestation of crime, substance abuse and mental health that can be seen as a consequence of social economic challenges amongst our youth.

Therefore, the department should continue to undertake programmes that promote youth and women empowerment.

The ANC supports Budget Vote 20.

Thank you.

Vote No 20 agreed to.


Vote No 21 - The Civilian Secretariat for the Police Service – put and agreed to (DA, EFF, FF Plus and ACDP dissenting).

Vote No 22 – Correctional Services – put and agreed to (DA, EFF, FF Plus and the ACDP dissenting).

Vote No 2 - Defence - put and agreed to (DA, EFF, FF Plus and ACDP dissenting).

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 207 Vote No 24 - IPID - put and agreed to (DA, EFF, FF Plus and ACDP dissenting).
Vote No 25 - Justice and Constitutional Development - put.
Declarations of vote: Mr F J MULDER: Hon House Chair, if the vision of the Department of Justice and Constitutional Development was to enhance an accessible justice system in a vibrant and evolving democracy and to support organizational performance on all aspects of administration, in line with set standards, meeting the needs and expectations of stakeholders and to facilitate effective and efficient resolution of criminal so ... and family disputes by providing accessible, efficient and administrative support to courts.
And FF Plus would have supported this vote.

Afrikaans: Agb Voorsitter, die visie en realiteit is in werklikheid ongelukkig ver verwyder en behoort die Parlement op ’n dringende basis in te gryp om die departement verantwoordbaar te hou omdat die departement in sy mandaat faal.

Die VF Plus ondersteun dus nie stempos 5 nie.

Dankie Voorsitter.
Dankie Voorsitter.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 208 Mr S N SWART: House Chair, it is the central role of the state to protect its citizens and uphold the rule of law and the ACDP believes that it is largely failing in this regard.

When one considers that the criminal justice sector is struggling to cope with high levels of crime and violence.

The average law abiding citizen feels overwhelmed by the lawlessness pervading the nation.
Consider the high levels of gender-based violence senseless murders, robberies, hijackings, and kidnappings.

It is for this reason that the ACDP has called for more resources to me to be made available to law enforcement agencies and the National Prosecuting Authority, NPA, to respond to this lawlessness.
This in the knowledge that the most effective deterrent to crime is the sheer knowledge that the perpetrator will be apprehended, successfully prosecuted and sentenced to a lengthy period of imprisonment.

Sadly, there appears to be very little deterrent to crime in the country, and South Africans are understandably the morning that more must be done.

They are becoming increasingly impatient to see far more criminals behind bars.

And stolen state funds recovered and the ACDP agrees.
Now when the committee and stolen state funds recovered and the ACDP agrees.

Now when the committee visited courts and buildings, UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 209 we were appalled at the condition of many of the department’s infrastructure.

Not only our court buildings are so neglected that they become structurally unsafe.
A number of the courts cannot be accessed, and they cannot access running water and electricity when there are outages and in these circumstances, courts cannot stay open, which contributes to increased backlog matters.

And we know that justice delayed is justice denied.

So regrettably, the ACDP will not support this Budget Vote.

I thank you.
I thank you.

Ms N H MASEKO-JELE: House Chair, the Department of Justice and Constitutional Development and other entities and institutions received their budget allocation under the Justice and Constitutional Development Budget Vote.

Our courts remain critical for enforcing defending of rights of people and dispensing justice.

They have played a pivotal part in protecting the rights of women.
The battle of the fight against gender-based violence and fermicide are sexual offences courts and Thuthuzela Care Centres, which were introduced to focus on the speedy adjudication of cases.

We welcome the efforts made by the Department of Justice and Constitutional Development and UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 210 entire Justice, Crime Prevention and Security, JCPS, Cluster in the fight against fraud and corruption.
It was reported that a total of R36 million in 2022-23 to invest in information communication technology, ICT, in institutions that include the investigating directorate, Public Protector South Africa, and South African Human Rights Commission was made.

A total of 426 million over the medium term to intensify the fight against corruption and ensure efficient capacity for the investigation and prosecution of criminal cases.
Emanating from the state capture commission and Truth and Reconciliation Commission, TRC, has been set aside, among others.

This will allow the independent directorate to appoint an estimated 90 staff members in a permanent capacity.

Indeed, these are good interventions by our caring government of the ANC, which are indeed welcomed and appreciated by the South Africans as by the words of the Acting Finance Minister in the Presidency hon Gungubele.

The ANC supports the Budget Vote.

I thank you.


Vote No 25 agreed to.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 211 Declaration of vote: Mr N SINGH: Hon Chairperson, our military veterans have every right to feel abandoned and betrayed by this government.

Every right to feel no longer useful and necessary after the establishment of democracy in South Africa.
The truth remains that with the transition to democratic governance, the subsequent dismantling of these liberation resistant military wings was handled in a very poor manner.

This has led to acts of insurrection where military veterans have used their skills to sow instability.
Demobilized veterans remain in many instances destitute and due to poor education, little or no skills other than soldiering out issues and problem of reintegration mental wellness into society and they are left as outcasts of a society that has forgotten them.

This is completely unacceptable and reparations and redress by government must be prioritized for our military veterans.

I thank you.

Vote No 26 agreed to (DA, FF Plus, EFF and ACDP dissenting).
Vote No 27 – The Office of the Chief Justice – put and agreed to (FF Plus dissenting).

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 212 Vote No 28 – Police – put.

Declarations of vote: M. Gen O S TERBLANCHE: Chairperson, South Africa deserves better.

The SA Police Service has failed our citizens and let the country down.

The crime statistics of the last quarter January to March 2022 indicates an increase in crime in most categories.
The enforcers of law and order, the police aren’t successful in properly preventing crime detecting offenders and the public no longer believes that the police are capable of doing the job.

Cadre deployment has already left its mark here too.

The inflated top management echelon accommodates plus-minus two hundred generals and 600 brigadiers.

Some are even deployed as station commanders with little to no effect.

The reason being competence does not necessarily correlate with rank seniority.
These highly paid individuals quite often lack basic sufficient training, let alone any relevant experience.

Obviously, service delivery is not the main priority for deployment but rather payback time for loyal cadres.

The outcome is unavoidable, just as an unqualified pilot will difficulty even getting the aircraft airborne because he UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 213 cannot fly and even if he managed to get it in the air, a disastrous crash is certainly guaranteed.
Service delivery is crippled by Deoxyribonucleic acid, DNA, samples backlogs, dysfunctional Central Firearm Registry, staff shortages, lack of resources, dilapidated buildings, scarcity of police stations, and the list just goes on.

The SA Police Service require transformation it must be devolved to provincial level.

And we need better political leadership.

The man with the hat must go.

South Africa deserves better.

I thank you.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick) The IFP.


Mr M HLENGWA: Thank you very much, Chairperson.

I hope I’m audible?

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Order hon members!

The IFP.

Mr M HLENGWA: Yes, Chairperson.

Am I audible?

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Can you try to speak up please, we can’t hear you properly, hon Hlengwa?

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 214 Mr M HLENGWA: Can you hear me now, Chair?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Yes, you are clear.

Mr M HLENGWA: Alright.

Thank you very much Chairperson.

I raise this declaration of hon Majozi.

As the IFP we recognize and appreciate the critical and challenging role played by the SA Police Service, SAPS, in maintaining safety and security in our communities.
However, we must respond to the President’s claim in his recent Presidency Budget Vote Debate when he said and I quote: Progress has been made in building capacity within the law enforcement agencies.

He went on to mention that the first cohort of 12 000 new police personnel is in training.

This is misinformation.

According to the portfolio committee reports, 10 000 will replace personnel and 2 000 will increase the establishment.

Therefore, the number of personnel will increase by only 2 000.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 215 Further, the report states that the Directorate for Priority Crime Investigation, DPCI, Hawks is severely under capacitated and that the DPCI functions with a 48% workforce.

These capacity concerns must be addressed with urgency if the SAPS and the Hawks are to fulfil their mandates.

I thank you.

Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Chairperson, allow me to start off by saying the work of policemen and police women in the country is very difficult.
And it’s not going to get easier anytime soon given the fact that we have a very high unemployment rate in the country.

People are becoming desperate and I think the latest crime statistics speaks volumes of what we can expect in the future.

I can say this without any doubt.

You can increase the police force tenfold, you are not going to solve the problems in the country, unless you deal with the root causes of crime in the country.
And we say this time and time again that the socio economic conditions under which our people live is what is making our people desperate to conduct themselves or behave in the manner in which ...

I give you one good example, kidnapping used to be his forte of one particular syndicate, a big syndicate.

Now you have turns of copycat syndicates all over people are becoming more and more desperate.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 216 I think the Minister is here and I just want to raise a few of my observations.

First of all, salaries that are paid to and benefits that are given to our police officers - the men and women in blue are certainly in adequate.

The danger allowances they get for what they do is certainly in adequate.

I will give you a good example, many of these administrative staff sit close to where the firearms are kept.
They don’t get any danger allowances or anything whatsoever.

But they are at high risk because if somebody comes to hold you up at the police station, they are the first ones that get held up, absolutely.

Another good example is the SAPS Goodwood Police Station here in Cape Town that has those problems.

Added to that is problem that the danger allowances that they get is minimal.

Criminals today, and I have said this before, Minister, they don’t shoot you in the heading anymore.
When they know that you’ve covered, they won’t shoot you.

If you knew you had a bulletproof vest, they don’t shoot you.

The Independent Police Investigative Directorate, IPID, does not help the situation because criminals know what to do.

In other words, they will come to you with the back facing because you’re not allowed to shoot.

That’s why I always say shoot the criminal with the contempt it deserves because if you don’t, what are you doing?
An entire community is going to UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 217 lose a police officer.

He has the responsibility to protect the entire community.

While that criminal is running riot to that entire community.

So who do you protect?

You must protect the police officer not the criminal.

So I say, shoot him or her with the content that they deserve.

Minister, if you want to become a doctor, you will take Mathematics and Science in school.
If you want to become an accountant, you will take accounting.

So why not if you want to do policing introduce in the curriculum at school, those subjects in terms of investigation ... And what would you do?

You will attract the right kind of learners to come in and join the police force.

Right now anybody and everybody when you advertise is going to want to become a police officer because they don’t have a job.

The NFP will support this.

Thank you.


Ms G P MAREKWA: Hon House Chair, hon members, the ANC welcomes and supports the Budget Vote.

I need to say that the majority of South Africans in this country still have respect for the SA Police Service, SAPS.

the budget is a very important instrument in the realization of our 2030 vision.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 218 The budget will strengthen the South African Police Service to address all crimes that are negatively impacting our communities today.

This will include the fight against gender- based violence and femicide, human trafficking, that is in the main ...

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Order hon members!
Ms G P MAREKWA: Human trafficking in the main targeting young women of our country, the fight against drug peddlers and those who are also destroying our infrastructure.

The budget will ensure that the police have the necessary resources through recruitment in order to help increase police visibility in our streets, because people are crying that they don’t see the police.

So when we vote for the budget will ensure that the police will have more visibility.
We will see them in all our street corners and highways in the country.

This also will ensure that the police will deal with their preventative and proactive strategy and to further reduce their Deoxyribonucleic acid, DNA, backlogs.

The fight against crime in our country will never be won by the police alone.
But we need to mobilize the different sectors of our society such as business, civil society, faith-based organizations, UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 219 and including those owners that are having legal liquor outlets.
It is through this Budget Vote that we shall make South Africa a safer place for all who live in it women and children and it will ensure that women are not encouraged to go for self- defence classes instead of being at the workplaces and in boardrooms and engaging in their future and the future of their children.

As the ANC, we support the Budget Vote.

Thank you.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Order hon members!
Hon Mandela, the hon members sitting in these front rows will have to remove you from these front seats.

You conversing too loud with one another and you are distracting the rest of the proceeding so please keep it down.

Division demanded.

The House divided.

AYES – 230: (ANC – 218; IFP – 11; Good – 1).

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 220 NOES – 116: (DA - 71; EFF - 32; FF Plus - 9; UDM – 1; ACDP – 3).

Question agreed to.

Vote accordingly agreed to.

Question put.


Agreed to.

Vote No 29 - Agriculture Land Reform and Rural Development Declarations of vote: Mr N P MASIPA: Chairperson, based on the World Bank report, secure property rights and access to land are crucial for private sector development and job creation.

On this month of June, the DA, like many South Africans, recognizes and honours our youth.

We recognise the role that they have played in bringing democracy to this diverse beautiful country of ours.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 221 The youth should be the substratum of the labour market and land reform initiatives should be built around them.

Regrettably, the divisive cadre deployment has obliterated our youth’s hopes of meaningful participation in the land reform and the economy.

House Chair, the policy uncertainty regarding the individual property rights which are enshrined in the Bill of Rights is destroying the economy for this country.
Young people are suffering the most.

Banks are reluctant to invest in an economy where the property rights are not protected.

Land Bank is the collateral damage of the expropriation of land without compensation policy that was pushed by the ANC.

The youth unemployment now stands at over 42%.

House Chair, the management of the Ingonyama Trust and communal property rights has shown the ineptitude of the ANC government.
They chose to ignore the recommendations of the High-Level Panel, headed by Kgalema Motlanthe.

Instead, Premier Zihle Zikalala, if not stealing water, offends Prince Buthelezi and physically attacks Mr Mchunu, instead of addressing the burning land issues in his backyard.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 222 South African youth suffers the most from the corrupt ANC government’s failure to address the ineffective policy on land reform and insecure land tenure right.
Come 2024, the DA shall govern.

The 10,5 million hectares of land in the department’s hands shall be in the hands of the beneficiaries to provide tenure rights certainty.

I thank you.

Ke a o leboha, Chairperson.

Mrs Y N YAKO: House Chairperson, South Africa’s agricultural sector has often, forcely, regarded as one of the most developed and productive sectors with advanced infrastructure from agricultural production, agro-processing promotion, marketing and investment.
Firstly, what proponents of this view fail to recognize is that whilst the agricultural sector in this country is extremely unequal.

On one hand it has primitive and feudal features, mainly subsistence on former Bantustan areas; and on the other, characteristics of commercial and mechanized agriculture in predominately white South Africa.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 223 Agriculture in this country is deeply steeped and embedded in racial and colonial planning and spatial designs of the past.

This is what proponents of this falsified view neglect to mention.

This colonial, racial and class-based features, ownership patterns and realities remain unchanged, 28 years into democracy.
Secondly, in the light of the Russia and Ukraine conflict with dire consequences of global food production and security, especially to 1,4 billion people in Africa in general, who are at risk of starvation and hunger.

Rwanda has said to attain food sufficiency by investing US$1 billion worth of farming equipment, materials, implements and logistics to boost its farming and agricultural sector.
House Chairperson, if Rwanda can achieve this with a Gross Domestic Product, GDP, of half than that of South Africa and a horrible history which took 30 years back to politics of genocidal proportions and bad leadership, what stops South Africa with her over exaggerated agricultural advancements to do the same or even exceed Rwanda?
The food economy in South Africa is dominated by white minority at all levels, from land ownership and agricultural UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 224 production to the agri-processing, packaging and retail of food.

We conclude that failure of South Africa to do what Rwanda is doing can only be blamed on lack of visionary leadership on the part of the current corrupt government of the ANC.
We are told that South Africa is a food secured and can produce sufficient food to feed the population, yet there remain more than half of the citizens who suffer from food shortage, malnutrition, starvation and hunger.

As we said before, and we wish to repeat it today, EFF rejects the budget vote on Agriculture, Land Reform and Rural Development.

Thank you.

[Applause.]

Afrikaans: Me T BREEDT (FF Plus): Voorsitter, hierdie departement is steeds besig met die verkeerde dinge.
Die departement weier om gehoor te gee aan sy landbouers.

As gevolg hiervan, gaan die departement nie net sy landbouers nie, maar die land vaal.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 225 Inenttings, veral die beskikbaarheid van inenttings vir siektes soos Afrika-perdesiekte is steeds ’n probleem, maar die departement en sy entiteite ontken dit steeds.

Die Portefeuljekomitee oor Landbou is nooit oor die landboumeesterplan geken nie.
Die komitee is verlede week, ’n maand na die goedkeuring, oor hierdie meesterplan ingelig.

Tydens die vergadering het die departement vertel dat dit nie eintlik ’n plan is nie, maar ’n konsep van ’n plan en dat die implimentering van die plan nou eers ontwikkel moet word.

Dit is nie hoe ek dink ’n meesterplan werk nie, maar nou ja.
Ook is daar gesê dat daar staatgemaak gaan word op buite finansiering, dat daar nie regtig binne die huidige departementele begroting geld hiervoor is nie en dalk sal hulle later geld hiervoor herpriotiseer.

A nee a, die departement kan mos nie iets as ’n meesterplan verkoop en dan is dit net spookasem drome nie.
Met die Rusland-Oekraïne-krisis wat steeds woed, is dit juis ’n guldige geleentheid vir die departement om op landbou te fokus, om die groei van die sektor te prioritiseer, om sodoende te verseker dat ons voedselsekuriteit nie hierdeur geraak word nie en ook dat ons ons landbou se kleinskaal- en UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 226 opkomende boere tot by kommersiële boere kan uitbou.

Ons sal nie die begroting steun nie.

Dankie.


Ms E M TLHAPE: Hon Chairperson, the ANC supports adoption of vote 29.

In order to allow for provision of equitable access to land, integrated rural development, sustainable agriculture and food security for all.

This vote will improve agricultural production and revitalize infrastructure.

And this includes the employment of about 10 000 extension officers over the, Medium-Term Expenditure Framework, MTEF.
One of our priority concerns as the ANC is to see an increased agricultural productivity on all land reform projects to supports our food security programme.

We have called for the democratization, improved administration and management of Communal Property Associations, CPAs, for the realization of improvement of ordinary lives of our communities living under these CPAs.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 227 We support, as the ANC, the intervention that is unfolding with regard to Ingonyama Trust board; that hon Masipa is aware of.

We support, as the ANC, the adopted policy on vulnerable groups, that is your youth, women and people living with disabilities, that seeks to mainstream the interest of these groups across programmes of the department; that hon Masipa is aware of.
This vote is progressive and it will, over the MTEF, finalise more than 1 000 old order land claims.

Notably, the fourth phase of the District Six development will also be completed in the same period.

Hon Chairperson, given the current fiscal framework, this vote has thoughtfully allocated our limited resources towards policy programmes aimed at the eradication of triple challenges of poverty, unemployment and inequality.

And there’s no absolute reason to object to its adoption.

I thank you.
I thank you.

[Applause.]

Division called.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 228 Question put.

Voting.

Agreed to.

Vote No 30 - Communication and Digital Technologies – put.

Declaration of vote: Mr N SINGH: Chairperson, the IFP notes with growing concern that the 30th June 2022 deadline for South Africa’s digital migration is fast approaching.
In her recent budget vote debate, the Minister celebrated various milestones including five provinces where analogue has been switched off; this is not worth celebrating.

The International Telecommunications Union, ITU ...

[Inaudible.]

... deadline for the switch off of analogue television signals was 17 June 2015.

The Minister also referred to the revised SA Connect model that will roll-out 33 000 community Wi-Fi hotspots over a three-year period.
This deadline too seems entirely unrealistic as per our debate on this budget and the portfolio UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 229 committee report.

The department only managed to connect 970 out of 6 000 facilities in Phase 1 of the project.

Urgent action and consequence management for missed deadlines is needed for these key projects to succeed.

I thank you.

Ms A MOTAUNG: Thank you, Chair.

The ANC supports budget vote 30.

Vote agreed to.


Vote No 31 - Employment and Labour – put.

Declarations of vote: Dr M J CARDO: Hon Chairperson, unemployment is the single biggest challenge facing South Africa.

The figures are alarming, 12 million people do not have a job, the expanded unemployment rate stands at 45,5%.

Meanwhile almost two in every five people aged between 15 and 24 are not in employment, education or training; the so-called needs.
They are unnihilistic, exasperated, estranged and traumatized by this government’s failure to build a better life for the youth.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 230 The ANC destroys jots.

Corruption and state capture have trashed the economy.

Loadshedding is taking us back to the dark ages.

The ruling party champions policies and laws which fuel the pandemic of joblessness.
From expropriation without compensation, to the Mining Charter, to the proposed Employment Equity Amendment Bill, the ANC scares off investors, strangles growth and kills jobs.

This will be the ANCs legacy when eventually it is turfed for the office.

A nation scarred by poverty, inequality and unemployment.

Each of them on every measure has got worse since 1994.

The Department of Employment and Labour doesn’t work for the workers and it doesn’t work for the unemployed.
The Unemployment Insurance Fund, UIF, is floundering, the compensation fund is dysfunctional and the, Commission for Conciliation, Mediation and Arbitration, CCMA, is the ambled of money at a time of rising retrenchments.

Despite its R3,9 billion budget, the department isn’t guided by a plan to build an environment conducive to job creation.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 231 The DA government would get the job done by cutting red tape, reforming our labour laws, exempting small businesses from the automatic extension of collective bargaining agreements and making it easier to hire young workers.

It’s time for South Africans to destroy the job destroyers, the ANC, at the polls.

The DA will craft a budget that puts the unemployed first.

Thank you.

[Applause.]

[Interjections.]


Mr M NONTSELE: House Chairperson, the Department of Employment and Labour seeks to liberate its existing programmes to intensify its employment mandate.

It seeks to provide social protection to workers, it also continues to play the regular ...

[Inaudible.]

... in the labour market to promote safe and decent work.
The current circumstances of high unemployment the state had to intervene, hence the number of interventions that include Presidential Employment Stimulus, that has already benefitted some 800 000 South Africans; that is youth, in particular, and women, who are in the majority.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 232 The Department of Employment and Labour does its work ensuring that funds allocated are used efficiently.
This department has received unqualified audit report consistently.

And in respect of the 2021-22 audit that is currently underway it is envisaged that the Department of Employment and Labour will receive unqualified audit opinion.

It is also highly encouraging to see that the Department of Employment and Labour has released National Labour Migration policy for comment.
The policy seeks to bring about harmony and stability in the domestic labour market space, where the expectations of South Africans in relation to the access to jobs is attended in a caring and positive manner.

House Chairperson, we need to call upon business to join the social compact for the benefit of the country.

The social compact is meant, amongst others, that we share the resources and as the ANC we are for a better life for all.

That is what the social compact is about.


So, all the stakeholders may have to move with speed to ensure that the positive impact is, in fact, realized through the social compact.

The ANC supports vote 31, House Chair.

[Applause.]

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 233 Division called.

Question put.

Voting.

Agreed to.

Vote No 32 – Environment, Forestry and Fisheries – agreed to.
(Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front Plus and African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).

Vote No 33 – Human Settlements – put.

Declarations of vote: Mr B N HERRON: House Chair, the Good Party is encouraged by the objectives of the Department of Human Settlements to expedite the establishment of the Human Settlements’ development bank.
But if the objectives are to be achieved they have to be accompanied by reimagining of the country’s current public housing programme to progressively resolve the national housing crisis.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 234 Although South Africa has one of the largest public housing programmes in the world we still have not learnt from our own experiences that a free house is not necessarily an affordable house.
We have failed many South Africans by not reversing the effects of the Group Areas Act in spatial justice and we now found ourselves with suburb of poverty located far away from job prospects and opportunities.

Instead of sculpting and reimagining our current housing provision, we are just continuing to deepen the apartheid model of spatial planning.
Currently, we found ourselves in a situation where the housing code doesn’t meet the constitutional requirements of providing adequate housing and we are failing to create sustainable communities, towns and cities.

We are underestimating the impact of urbanisation.

House Chair, the current housing code is a blunt instrument that assumes we have economic equality across the country and a uniform property market.
A new housing code must address the true meaning of affordability in the local context and include the future of informal settlement with a tangible informal settlement adequate plan.

We need to continuously engage with our metros across the country to identify well-located parcels of publicly owned land in earnestly to be developed into affordable housing.
We need the courage to discard that which UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 235 is not working and reimagine a new landscape of equity and justice.

Thank you.

Ms N N SIHLWAYI: Hon Chairperson, the ANC is unambiguous on its support for the Portfolio Community On Human Settlements’ budget, Vote 33.

The ANC understands from the principles of the national democratic revolution that there can be no stable democratisation without taking everyone on board.
Everyone should be included in the programme.

Everyone should be dignified in the programme.

The human settlement sector is in the process of transforming itself.

In that particular process we have to be all patient.

As we deliver housing we need to transform.

The portfolio committee supports the budget, Chair.

Thank you Question agreed to (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front Plus and African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).

Vote accordingly agreed to.


Vote No 34 – Mineral Resources and Energy – put.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 236 Declarations of vote: Mr K J MILEHAM: Chairperson, last week, President Ramaphosa announced that the integrated resource plan would be reviewed, that there would be a push to add new generation to the grid and that the red tape hindering sub 100MW generation would be removed.

Sounds great!

But talk is cheap.


Minister Mantashe and his department have proven to be a handbrake on all such efforts.

If we are to end load shedding, we need a deadline for the integrated resource plan, IRP, review.

We need to allow all the bidders in the renewable independent power producer programme, REIPPP, to bring their generation online.

We must prioritise the urgent building of new energy storage capacity, not new nuclear power stations.
We need to make it easier for people to install rooftop solar like Vietnam did.

In one year through legislative reform they installed 9 gigawatts of rooftop solar.

We need to get rid of the National Energy Regulator of South Africa, Nersa, and municipal red tape and make it cost-effective for homeowners and businesses.

Our mining industry is in the doldrums.

The department has failed completely and there are no signs of recovering.
Licencing is backlogged to the point where it may UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 237 not be cleared for another three years, let alone deal with any new applications.

The system is rife with corruption and ineptitude.

Procedures are slow and expensive.

The much- heralded exploration strategy is a joke.

It is almost impossible for our miners to raise money for projects because nobody wants to risk their cash in such an unfriendly environment.
The department is only interested in its ongoing campaign for racial preferment under the guise of transformation.

It has only retarded the industry.

The DA rejects this budget.

Ms P MADOKWE: House Chairperson, we reject this Budget Vote as we did before when we had a full debate on it.

The department has failed to catalyse the mining industry and ensure that it serves all the people of this country.
We have just come out of a protected strike of Sibanye wherein they refuse to give their workers R100,00 increase while paying CEOs over R300 million in bonuses.

South Africa has been grappling with a massive energy crisis for years and the department has lost a plot of the agenda allowing lobbies for renewable energy to dictate terms for the department.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 238 Fuel prices are at times high and this directly speaks to the living conditions of the poorest of the poor who have been struggling to make ends meet.

The department has not crafted any medium to long-term plan for dealing with this price escalations living our people to their own devices.
Increased prices speak directly to increased food prices, increased transport prices and increased overall expenses while salaries remain the same, while the majority of our people are un employed and depend meagre social grants and even those who were promised R350 have been dealt another blow.

The looting of the strategic fuel reserves by corrupt Ministers and their subordinates have left the country without any measures to address the rising fuel prices.
And the fact that no one has been held accountable to date shows that this government has no intention of protecting its people.

Glencore’s admission of foreign bribery and market manipulation is yet another thorn that hovers above the energy sector.

There is no reason to believe that any of Glencore’s business dealings in South Africa over the years were above board.
UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 239 The EFF warned Parliament during the energy debate in 2016, that Eskom is collapsing because of inflated and corrupt coal prices.

South Africa does not have stable electricity generation today because Glencore was central to the manipulation of coal process.

When we refuse to withdraw that the President of the ANC was involved with a criminal syndicate we were chased out of Parliament to protect criminals.
Because of these corrupt agreements we now have inconsistence electricity supply and exorbitant electricity prices yet we have coal mines which would have been nationalised to ensure cheaper and uninterrupted electricity.

We will not be shocked if similar information is disclosed in the future about Shell whose business administration is willing to defend over the livelihoods of our people in the Wild Coast.

Wed reject the budget, Chair.


Mr M G MAHLAULE: House Chair, the ANC supports the Appropriation Bill for the Department of Mineral Resources and Energy.

The transformation of the mining sector in so far as implementing the social and labour plans and addressing the backlogs in the processing of mining licence applications is especially for the benefit of the historically disadvantaged South Africans.
These two imperative priorities of the UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 240 department depend on this Appropriation Bill for this financial year.

So, you can’t say you don’t support it.

Moreover the acceleration of both the integrated national electrification programme and bid windows for the renewable energy policy projects all hinge on this Appropriation Bill more importantly.
This Appropriation Bill will go a long way in terms of assisting the department to improve its oversight and regulatory work amid the growing fuel theft and illegal mining.

It’s only an enemy of progress who will not support this progress.

Thank you very much.

Division demanded.

The House divided.

AYES – 232: [TAKE IN FROM MINUTES].

NOES – 114: [TAKE IN FROM MINUTES].

Question agreed to.

Vote accordingly agreed to.


UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 241 Vote No 35 – Science and Innovation – agreed to.

(Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters and African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).

Vote No 36 – Small Business Development– agreed to.

(Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front Plus and African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).

Vote No 37 – Sport, Arts and Culture – agreed to.


(Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front Plus and African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).

Vote No 38 – Tourism – agreed to.

(Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front Plus and African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).

Vote No 39 – Trade, Industry and Competition – put.
Declaration: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 242 Mr M J CUTHBERT: Hon House Chairperson, as we speak the Minister is in Geneva, Switzerland at the World Trade Organization, WTO’s, 12th Ministerial Conference where he is most probably speaking with forked tongue about the promotion of international trade and co-operation.

While back in South Africa we have been left to discuss an isolationist budget fit for a hermit at kingdom.
While he pays lip service to the African Continental Free Trade Area, AfCFTA, and deepening market integration, the real objective of this budget is to isolate our economy from both the continent and the rest of the world.

He speaks of intensifying localisation through a series of blunt tariff measures and an endless supply of development finance funding for an exclusive few.
Instead of pursuing a horizontal industrial policy that allows inherently competitive sectors to leverage comparative advantage and specialisation, he wants to be able to pick the winners and losers.

While the winners may tolerate him for their own selfish reasons, the rest of the business community despises him.

The reality is that if you don’t get with his program then he will force you to do so.
As remarked by the Financial Mail columnist, Peter Bruce, last month: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 243 Localisation is going so badly that Patel is now offering manufacturers full on antidumping duties against any product they make, in return for promises that the companies concerned will increase and protect jobs and not raise prices faster than the prevailing rate of inflation.

It is a massive failure of policy, a bona fide protection racket.
If this isn’t a glaring indictment on his policies, then I just don’t know.

Economic growth and development depend on competition and free trade.

At this rate we may never break out of that hermit shell and we have Minister Patel to thank for that.

Mr F J MULDER: Hon House Chair, the Department of Trade, Industry and Competition is a department central to economic development in South Africa.

The department is responsible for commercial and industrial policy.
Its subsidiary agencies are involved in promoting economic development.

State capture and corruption damaged the economy resulting in a large amount of job losses in South Africa.

It also caused severe damage to that is direct and reasonable because so many of the corrupt contracts hurt South Africa’s suppliers to replace them with imports.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 244 When a crisis hit the world South Africa job losses are of larger than average.
The ANC government, more specifically this department’s answer to job losses is to enforce the black economic empowerment even more fiercely and aggressively than ever before because of a lack and the absence of political capital.

Without the economic growth redistribution of resources will revert and certainly result in the redistribution of poverty.

There’re the FF Plus cannot support this budget.

Thank you.
Thank you.

Mr W M THRING: Hon House Chairperson, the ACDP acknowledges that within our constraints international and domestic economic environments South Africa has one of the highest unemployment rates in the world with the Gini coefficient that places us the most unequal nation worldwide.

After 28 years of democracy under the ruling party unemployment and poverty have increased to some of the highest levels ever.
While the ACDP supports the department’s master plan as an intervention for industrialisation and economic recovery, we reiterate our call for the scrapping of the health promotion levy or sugar tax as a counterproductive levy in that the affected industries purchase less sugar and then use sugar UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 245 alternatives that are more harmful than the sugar itself.
Our repeated calls for beneficiations as a policy tool for economic and employment growth must not go unheeded.

Having some of the richest mineral deposits in the world South Africa cannot export the majority of our raw materials only to import the finished products in perpetuity.

Hon House Chairperson, the time has come for the true leaders of the country to arise, and the time has come to put aside petty politics and point scoring.
As we stand at the crossroads of history making the time has come to move away from race-based politics and policies.

The time has come to put South Africans first in the true spirit of the Constitution which reminds us that everyone has the right to bodily and psychological integrity which include the right not to be subjected to medical or scientific experiments without their informed consent.
The time has come the ACDP reminds this House that we must ensure that all South Africans know that South Africa belongs to all who live within it, black and white.

I thank you.

Mr S H MBUYANE: Chairperson, the ANC supports Vote 39 of the Department of Trade, Industry and Competition.
The budget responds to the essence of the reconstruction and recovery of UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 246 our economy with a particular focus on special industrial development and reimagining industrial policy, emphasising the resuscitation of industrial park, the support for economic special zones and support for various sector master plan.
This is a step in a right direction in creating conducive environment for black industrialists and small and medium- sized enterprises, SMMEs, to thrive.

The Appropriation Budget will support the ANC-led government’s efforts to localise and build internal reliance in a face of global uncertainties.

This is essential for our old longevity and job creation and suitability of our country.

The ANC supports Vote 39’s budget.

Thank you very much.

Division demanded.

The House divided.


AYES – 217: [TAKE IN FROM MINUTES].

NOES – 116: [TAKE IN FROM MINUTES].

Question agreed to.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 247 Vote accordingly agreed to.

Vote No 40 – Transport – put.

Declarations of vote: Mr K P SITHOLE (IFP): Thank you, hon Chairperson.
An effective and innovative transport infrastructure is critical to economic growth, yet, they remain many examples of unfinished delayed project and project that are worth delayed and over budget.

The government must be selective in its choice of transport infrastructure development.

We must prioritise building, roads and other transport infrastructure that can unlocked economic development.

Encourage areas on South Africans are economically viable.
This must be done with the highest degree in promoting safety, strictly attention to budgetary constraints and even stricter attention to timelines.

We must make provision for possible delays.

We must not be heartened due to corruption and mismanagement.

In fact, there must be non-existence.

This department is really failing in its mandate to the people.
We are already seeing the disaster ... UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 248 The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon member, the time of the IFP has now expired.

Mr N SINGH: Only in this debate, Chairperson.


Tshivenḓa: Mufumakadzi Vho M M RAMADWA: Muhulisei Mulangadzulo, Tshimebi tsha Buthano la Lushaka, Vho Pemmy Majodina, mufumakadzi ane a fara lufhanga nga vhuhalini, o no isa ndau vhudzadzeni, Muthusa Tshimebi Vho Dorries Dlakude, Miraḓo yoṱhe ya Buthano la Lushaka, na lushaka lwa Afurika Tshipembe, dzangano la ANC li tikedza Mulayitibe wa Mukovho wa Vouthu 40 ya Muhasho wa Vhuendi.
Vhuendi vhu na mushumo wa ndeme zwi tshi ḓa kha u tikedza bveledziso na thembabveledziso zwi tshi ḓa kha bada na tshiporo.

Mbekanyamushumo ya muhasho kha i vhe i ne ya khwinisa dzithandela dza vhuendi ha nnyi na nnyi.

Thandela dza vhuendi ndi tshipiḓa tsha vhupulani ha Pulane ya u Vusuludza.

Muhasho u fanela u tevhedza maitele kwao nga u ri zwi khwinisa ikonomi ya shango.

Nwedzi wo fhelaho sa komiti ro tshimbila ri tshi ṱola thandela dza muhasho ngei Mpumalanga, North West na KwaZulu-Natal.
Ri khou ita khuwelelo kha muhasho uri murumba UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 249 kha u ṱambele zwanḓa, tshumelo kha i ye vhathuni.

Maṅwe mahoro mahanedzi ri nao kha komiti.

Ri a dzula ra amba ra tendelana fhedzi vha tshi ḓa hafha vha ḓa u hanedza ngauri vhone vha ṱoḓa u fhiriṱanya hafha Nḓuni na u tsitsa tshirunzi tsha Nnḓu.

Vha sumbedza vha songo ḓiimisela u fhaṱa shango la Afurika Tshipembe.
Kha vha ri ndi fhedze nga uri riṇe sa dzangano la ANC thikhedzo yashu yo ḓitika kha u bveledzisa thembamveledziso ya vhundi na u sika mishumo zwine zwa vha ṱhoḓea kha lushaka.

Ndi fhedza nga uri: Vho Maṱamela Ramaphosa, iwe philamisevhe.

Na zwenezwi zwe ra dzla ngazwo zwi ḓo fhira.

Kha vha ri ndi fhedze nga uri: Kha vha ri vhse Vho Ramaphosa, kha vha ri vhuse.

Kha vha ri vhuse Vho Ramaphosa, kha vha ri vhuse, muvhuso wa Afrika Tshipembe.

Aa!
Aa!

Question agreed to (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front Plus and African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).

Vote accordingly agreed to.

Vote No 41 – Water and Sanitation – put.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 250 Mr N MYBURG: House Chair, as we all know, in many parts of KwaZulu-Natal the people have been dealt a double whammy of devastating floods and ANC incompetence.
Every additional day that it takes for government to get its act together, is a further delay in the economic recovery of the entire region.

Also, the provision of much-needed housing opportunities is being stalled whilst government takes its time in getting its act together.

The restoration of people’s dignity, and their prospects of a better life is being put on the back burner whilst government takes its time in getting its act together.
Whilst the people of Nelson Mandela Bay Metro faces a future without water, the Amatola Water Board, broken by cadre deployment, continues to stumble from one Special Investigating Unit, SIU, investigation to the next.

The country desperately desires delivery with urgency and efficiency.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 251 It is clear for all to see, this government has overstayed its welcome, and it has reached its sell-by date.
As S’Thembiso Msomi writes in the Sunday Times this past weekend: “It is no joke, we need to imagine South Africa without the ANC”!

Thank you, Chair.

Ms M R MOHLALA: Chairperson, we rejected this Budget Vote when it was debated earlier but we feel the need to re-emphasise our position on the uselessness of this department.

We noted back then the failure of the department to build water infrastructure capable of meeting the water demands of our growing economy.
And the Minister stood up and rubbish our assertions.

If there is sufficient water infrastructure in the country, why are we losing billions of litres of water as a result of water leak, as a result of aging infrastructure everything here in the country.

The people of Giyani have been without water for years despite the investment made in that part of the world by the department.
Those monies went into the pockets of the thieves in the ruling party who steal and then defend each other as UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 252 they are doing in right now in the case of money staffed in matrasses at Phalaphala Game Reserve.
We also bemoan by the fact that the water boards that have been used as a playground for the ruling party patronage politics and which have been factories for producing most corrupt activities must be revamped and refocus towards building water infrastructure and delivering water services.

Pollution of our river systems spillages of effluence dysfunctional Wastewater Treatment Works and Water Treatment Plant are daily occurrences in different parts of the world.
Today, in different parts of the country, today, there are still thousands of people in KwaZulu-Natal without reliable access to water after the devastating floods in that province two months ago.

Communities have resorted to getting their own water tankers because they have no water in the middle of a very cold winter.

We reject this report and we condemn the incompetence and corruption of the ANC thugs sitting here in Parliament.

Thank you.
Thank you.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 253 Mr B A RADEBE: Hon Chairperson, I am rising on a point of order here.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Order, hon members.

There is a point of order.

Mr B A RADEBE: Rule 84, unparliamentary language – they are referring to the members of the ANC as thugs.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Yes.

Order, hon members.

Hon Paulsen?

Hon Paulsen?

Hon Paulsen, there is a point of order, I doubt if you heard it.
Hon member who was just in the platform made a reference to hon members as thugs.

That’s unparliamentary language and it must be withdrawn.

I am waiting for a member to withdraw.

[Interjections.]

I will recognise you after wards.

[Interjections.]

No, I want to deal with this point of order.

[Interjections.]

I will come back to you.

[Interjections.]

Please, hon Paulsen?

Please, take your seat.

[Interjections.]

The hon member referred to Members of Parliament sitting in this House as thugs.
[Interjections.]

The hon member must simple withdraw.

Ms M R MOHLALA: Chairperson?

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 254 The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Yes, hon member.

Ms M R MOHLALA: They are thugs.

It’s just a fact.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon member, are you going to withdraw the remark?

Ms M R MOHLALA: The President Ramaphosa together with ...

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon member, will you withdraw the remark or not?
If you don’t want to withdraw your remark, please remove hon member from the platform.

Thank you.

Mrs G K TSEKE: Thank you, House Chairperson.

Budget Vote 41, Water and Sanitation 2022, build on the strength of its predecessors.

It lays the foundation for building water infrastructure to secure the future of the next generation.

Indeed, this is a budget that premise on the need of the people.

It thus seeks to change the lives of our people for the better.
It will improve access to water and sanitation services for households which is currently at 89,4%.

This budget will provide much needed water infrastructure to deliver water to the people industries and businesses.

UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 255 The infrastructure includes dams, bulk pipelines and the pumps.
The state of the nation address 2022 and the Economic Reconstruction and Recovery Plan call for necessary development of bulk water infrastructure and establishment of appropriate institutions.

The strategic water infrastructure and institutions will accelerate water services delivery to the underserved households.
In this regard, the plan to establish the National Water Regulatory Infrastructure Agency and the Independent Economic Regulator in the Medium-Term is a step in the right direction that will ensure consolidation of all bulk water infrastructure activities.

The establishment of this agency will also provide for holistic management of waste water infrastructure in the country as the recent Green Drop Report 2022 shows poor maintenance and operation of the waste water treatment infrastructure.
The independent in economic regulator will also provide the platform for proper regulation of the water pricing regime that will address the current municipal water debt to water boards.

This is the reason we as the ANC support Budget Vote UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 256 41 on Water and Sanitation.

Kea leboga.

[Thank you.]

[Applause.]

Division demanded.

The House divided.

[TAKEN IN FROM MINUTES] Question agreed to.

Vote accordingly agreed to.


Schedule – agreed to (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front Plus, African Christian Democratic Party and United Democratic Movement dissenting).

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon members, no, no no.

Hon members, the House is still in session.

We have not dealt with the last question that must be asked.

So, please, pay attention.

The Secretary will read the last order of the day.


APPROPRIATION BILL UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 257 (Second Reading debate) There was no debate.

Question put: That the Bill be read a second time.

Division demanded.

The House divided.

[TAKE IN FROM MINUTES} Question agreed to.

Bill accordingly read a second time.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): The Bill will be sent to the National Council of Provinces for concurrence.

Order, hon members.

Order!


Hon members, earlier today the hon Mazzone on behalf of the DA wrote to the Secretary of the National Assembly querying the presence of a quorum after division was called on the first item of the day which was a decision of question on consideration of the recommendation of a person to fill a vacancy on the Electoral Commission.
To support the UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TUESDAY, 14 JUNE 2022 Page: 258 query, Ms Mazzone states in a letter that she was shown that the DA had 45 members in the virtual platform and that it was proved at the time of the division they only had 10.

As I presided over that session and to clear any confusion, I believe I should clarify this matter before the House is adjourned today.

Parties are provided with the attendance at different points and proceedings.
Members of the DA could have dropped out of the virtual platform or loss connection.

The locking of doors on the virtual platform relates only to admissions of members into the platform.

It is confirmed that no admissions were done on the virtual platform while the division was in progress.

The virtual platform was therefore locked as the doors of the House were also locked.

And the records available.

At the same time of voting, the DA had 10 members on the platform and seven in the Chamber.
The total number of members in the Chamber and on the platform was thus 257 and the decision of the House is upheld.

Hon members that conclude the business for the day and the House is adjourned.

The House adjourned at 18:30.