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36 Tuesday 15th December, 1964 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) OFFICIAL REPORT FIRST SESSION OF THE SECOND PARLIAMENT OF MALAYSIA CONTENTS ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 4573] THE SUPPLY BILL, 1965: Schedule— Heads S. 18, S. 19 and S. 20 [Col. 4576] Head S. 21 [Col. 4660] ADJOURNMENT (Motion) [Col. 4700] ADJOURNMENT SPEECH: Acts of brutality by certain members of the Police Force [Col. 4700] DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, A .

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N ., PENCHETAK KERAJAAN KUALA LUMPUR 1966 MALAYSIA DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) Official Report First Session of the Second Dewan Ra'ayat Tuesday, 15th December, 1964 The House met at Ten o'clock PRESENT: The Honourable Mr Speaker, DATO' CHIK MOHAMED YUSUF BIN SHEIKH ABDUL RAHMAN, S.P.M.P., J.P., Dato' Bendahara, Perak.

the Prime Minister, Minister of External Affairs and Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, Y.T.M.

TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M.

(Kuala Kedah).
(Kuala Kedah).

the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence, Minister of National and Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N.

(Pekan).

the Minister of Home Affairs and Minister of Justice, DATO' DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N.

(Johor Timor).

the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' TAN SIEW SIN, J.P. (Melaka Tengah).

the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, DATO' V. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N.

(Sungai Siput).
(Sungai Siput).

the Minister of Transport, DATO' HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N.

(Pontian Utara).

the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives and Minister of Education, ENCHE' MOHAMED KHIR JOHARI (Kedah Tengah).

the Minister of Health, ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah).

the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan), the Minister for Welfare Services, TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT ALI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang).
the Minister for Sarawak Affairs, DATO' TEMENGGONG JUGAH ANAK BARIENG, P.M.N., P.J.K.

(Sarawak).

the Minister of Information and Broadcasting, ENCHE' SENU BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Kubang Pasu Barat).

the Minister of Lands and Mines, TUAN HAJI MOHAMED GHAZALI BIN HAJI JAWI (Ulu Perak).

the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara).
„ 4567 15 DECEMBER 1964 4568 The Honourable the Assistant Minister of National and Rural Development and Assistant Minister of Justice, ENCHE' ABDUL-RAHMAN BIN YA'KUB (Sarawak).

the Assistant Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, ENCHE' SULAIMAN BIN BULON (Bagan Datoh).

the Assistant Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ABDUL KADIR, J.M.N., S.M.T., P.J.K.

(Trengganu Tengah).

the Assistant Minister of Education, ENCHE' LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N., P J .

K. (Sepang).
K. (Sepang).

ENCHE' ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N.

(Melaka Utara).

ENCHE' ABDUL KARIM BIN ABU, A.M.N.

(Melaka Selatan).

WAN ABDUL KADIR BIN ISMAIL, P.P.T.

(Kuala Trengganu Utara).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAHIM ISHAK (Singapore).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAUF BIN A. RAHMAN, K.M.N., P.J.K.

(Krian Laut).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSSIN (Lipis).

ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN G UL AHMAD MIANJI (Pasir Mas Hulu).

Y.A.M.

TUNKU ABDULLAH IBNI AL-MARHUM TUANKU ABDUL RAHMAN, P.P.T.

(Rawang).

TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD.


SALLEH, A.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S.

(Segamat Utara).

ENCHE' ABU BAKAR BIN HAMZAH (Bachok).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kelantan Hilir).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N.

(Muar Utara).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAAID, J.P. (Seberang Utara).

CHE' AJIBAH BINTI ABOL (Sarawak).

ENCHE' ALI BIN HAJI AHMAD (Pontian Selatan).

ENCHE' AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam).

ENCHE' JONATHAN BANGAU ANAK RENANG, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

PENGARAH BANYANG ANAK JANTING, P.B.S.

(Sarawak).


ENCHE' CHAN SIANG SUN (Bentong).

ENCHE' CHIA CHIN SHIN, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

ENCHE' CHIN FOON (Ulu Kinta).

ENCHE' C. V. DEVAN NAIR (Bungsar).

ENCHE' EDWIN ANAK TANGKUN (Sarawak).

DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI ABDUL MAJID (Johor Bahru Timor).

DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N.

(Jitra-Padang Terap).

ENCHE' GEH CHONG KEAT, K.M.N.

(Penang Utara).

DR GOH KENG SWEE (Singapore).

ENCHE' HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Kapar).

ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD.


YUNUS, A.M.N., J.P. (Kulim Utara).

ENCHE' HANAFIAH BIN HUSSAIN, A.M.N.

(Jerai).

ENCHE' HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Baling).

WAN HASSAN BIN WAN DAUD (Tumpat).

„ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ 4569 15 DECEMBER 1964 4570 The Honourable ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN T O' MUDA HASSAN, A.M.N.

(Raub).

„ „ „ ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN MOHD.

NOORDIN, A.M.N., P.J.K.

(Parit).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN SULAIMAN (Ulu Kelantan).

TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN (Kota Bharu Hulu).
ENCHE' IKHWAN ZAINI (Sarawak).

ENCHE' IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah).

ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan).

DATO' SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, P.M.N.

(Johor Tenggara).

PENGHULU JINGGUT ANAK ATTAN, Q.M.C., A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

ENCHE' KADAM ANAK KIAI (Sarawak).

ENCHE' KAM WOON WAH, J.P. (Sitiawan).

ENCHE' EDMUND LANGGU ANAK SAGA (Sarawak).

ENCHE' LEE SAN CHOON, K.M.N.

(Segamat Selatan).

ENCHE' LEE SECK FUN (Tanjong Malim).

ENCHE' LIM HUAN BOON (Singapore).


DATO' LIM KIM SAN, D.U.T., J.M.K., D.J.M.K.

(Singapore).

ENCHE' LIM PEE HUNG, P.J.K.

(Alor Star).

DR MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMAD (Kota Star Selatan).

ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson).

DATO' DR HAJI MEGAT KHAS, D.P.M.P., J.P., P.J.K.

(Kuala Kangsar).

ENCHE' MOHD.

DAUD BIN ABDUL SAMAD (Besut).

ENCHE' MOHAMED IDRIS BIN MATSIL, J.M.N., P.J.K., J.P. (Jelebu-Jempol).

ENCHE' MOHD.

TAHIR BIN ABDUL MAJID, S.M.S., P.J.K.

(Kuala Langat).
(Kuala Langat).

ENCHE' MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N.

(Temerloh).

ENCHE' MOHD.

ZAHIR BIN HAJI ISMAIL, J.M.N.

(Sungai Patani).

WAN MOKHTAR BIN AHMAD (Kemaman).

TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Pedis Selatan).

ENCHE' MUHAMMAD FAKHRUDDIN BIN HAJI ABDULLAH (Pasir Mas Hilir).

TUAN HAJI MUHAMMAD SU'AUT BIN HAJI MUHD.

TAHIR, A.B.S.

(Sarawak).

DATO' HAJI MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI ABDUL JABAR, D.P.M.S., A.M.N., J.P. (Sabak Bernam).

ENCHE' MUSTAPHA BIN AHMAD (Tanah Merah).


DATO' N IK AHMAD KAMIL, D.K., S.P.M.K., S.J.M.K., P.M.N., P.Y.G.P., Dato' Sri Setia Raja (Kota Bharu Hilir).

ENCHE' NG FAH YAM (Batu Gajah).

DR NG KAM POH, J.P. (Telok Anson).

ENCHE' ONG KEE HUI (Sarawak).

ENCHE' ONG PANG BOON (Singapore).

TUAN HAJI OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Hilir Perak).

ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N.

(Perlis Utara).

4571 15 DECEMBER 1964 4572 The Honourable ABANG OTHMAN BIN HAJI MOASILI, P.B.S.

(Sarawak).
(Sarawak).

„ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ ENCHE' QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Timor).

ENCHE' S. RAJARATNAM (Singapore).

TUAN HAJI RAHMAT BIN HAJI DAUD, A.M.N.

(Johor Bahru Barat).

ENCHE' RAMLI BIN OMAR (Krian Darat).

TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD.

SAID, P.J.K., J.P. (Rembau-Tampin).

RAJA ROME BIN RAJA MA'AMOR, P.J.K., J.P. (Kuala Selangor).

ENCHE' SANDOM ANAK NYUAK (Sarawak).

ENCHE' SEAH TENG NGIAB, P.I.S.

(Muar Pantai).

ENCHE' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM (Menglembu).

ENCHE' SIOW LOONG HIN, P.J.K.


(Seremban Barat).

ENCHE' SNAWI BIN ISMAIL, P.J.K.

(Seberang Selatan).

ENCHE' SNG CHIN JOO (Sarawak).

ENCHE' SOH AH TECK (Batu Pahat).

ENCHE' SULEIMAN BIN ALI (Dungun).

ENCHE' TAJUDIN BIN ALI, P.J.K.

(Larut Utara).

ENCHE' TAI KUAN YANG (Kulim-Bandar Bharu).

DR TAN CHEE KHOON (Batu).

ENCHE' TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan).

ENCHE' TAN TOH HONG (Bukit Bintang).

ENCHE' TAN TSAK YU (Sarawak).

ENCHE' TIAH ENG BEE (Kluang Utara).

PENGHULU FRANCIS UMPAU ANAK EMPAM (Sarawak).


ENCHE' YEOH TAT BENG (Bruas).

ENCHE' YONG NYUK LIN (Singapore).

TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD.

TAIB, P.J.K.

(Langat).

ABSENT: The Honourable the Minister for Local Government and Housing, ENCHE' KHAW KAI-BOH, P.J.K.

(Ulu Selangor).

the Minister of Labour, ENCHE' V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K.

(Klang).

the Minister without Portfolio, ENCHE' PETER LO SU Y IN (Sabah).

W AN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN DATU TUANKU BUJANG (Sarawak).
ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB, P.J.K.

(Kuantan).

TUAN HAJI ABDUL RASHID BIN HAJI JAIS (Sabah).

DATO' ABDULLAH BIN ABDULRAHMAN, Dato' Bijaya di-Raja (Kuala Trengganu Selatan).

O. K. K. DATU ALIUDDIN BIN DATU HARUN, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

DR AWANG BIN HASSAN, S.M.J.

(Muar Selatan).

ENCHE' E. W. BARKER (Singapore).

ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N.

(Kluang Selatan).

ENCHE' CHAN SEONG YOON (Setapak).

„ „ „ „ „ „ „ „ 4573 15 DECEMBER 1964 4574 The Honourable ENCHE' CHEN WING SUM (Damansara).
„ „ ENCHE' FRANCIS CHIA NYUK TONG (Sabah).

ENCHE' CHIA THYE POH (Singapore).

TUAN SYED ESA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S.

(Batu Pahat Dalam).

ENCHE' S. FAZUL RAHMAN, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

DATO' GANIE GILONG, P.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).

ENCHE' GANING BIN JANGKAT (Sabah).

ENCHE' STANLEY HO NYUN KHIU, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' JEK YEUN THONG (Singapore).

ENCHE' KHOO PENG LOONG (Sarawak).

DATO' KHOO SIAK CHIEW, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' K OW KEE SENG (Singapore).

ENCHE' LEE KUAN YEW (Singapore).


ENCHE' AMADEUS MATHEW LEONG, A.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).

DATO' LING BENG SIEW, P.N.B.S.

(Sarawak).

DR LIM CHONG EU (Tanjong).

ENCHE' LIM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat).

ENCHE' JOSEPH DAVID MANJAJI (Sabah).

ENCHE' MOHD.

ARIF SALLEH, A.D.K.

(Sabah).

ENCHE' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA, P.M.K.

(Pasir Puteh).

ORANG TUA MOHAMMAD DARA BIN LANGPAD (Sabah).

ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN WOK (Singapore).

ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh).

ENCHE' SIM BOON LIANG (Sarawak).


DATO' DONALD ALOYSIUS STEPHENS, P.D.K.

(Sabah).

PENGIRAN TAHIR PETRA (Sabah).

ENCHE' TAMA WENG TINGGANG WAN (Sarawak).

ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka).

DR TOH CHIN CHYE (Singapore).

ENCHE' TOH THEAM HOCK (Kampar).

ENCHE' WEE TOON BOON (Singapore).

ENCHE' YEH PAO TZE (Sabah).

ENCHE' STEPHEN YONG KUET TZE (Sarawak).

O R AL A N S W E RS TO Q U E S T I O NS decisions of the Board in a manner favourable to their business.
TARIFF ADVISORY BOARD— APPOINTMENT OF MEMBERS The Minister of Finance (Enche9 Tan Siew Sin): Mr Speaker, Sir, the term "businessmen" is ambiguous and mis leading.

While it is true that a number 1.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Minis- of the part-time members of the Tariff ter of Finance to state whether any Advisory Board are persons who are businessmen have been appointed to engaged in commerce, section 8 (7) of the Tariff Advisory Board, if so, what the Tariff Advisory Board Act, 1963, steps has the Minister taken to prevent provides that no part-time member can influencing the participate in any proceedings of a such members from 4575 15 DECEMBER 1964 4576 Committee or a Sub-Committee of the Board on any matter in which he has a direct or indirect pecuniary interest, unless he has declared such interest to the Committee or Sub-committee, as the case may be.
Furthermore, the to hold a public Board is required inquiry into any matter that is referred to the Board for consideration.

It is considered that such a public inquiry would disclose any sectional interest of the part-time members.

The any of selection of the part-time members to sit on any Committee of the Board will be made by the Chairman who will take the business connections of any member when making his choice.
into account Dr Tan Chee Khoon: I am glad for the Honourable this clarification by Minister of Finance.

ikan2 di-dalam negeri TRAWLER FISHING—SARAWAK 2.

Abang Othman bin Haji Moasili bertanya kapada Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama2 ada-kah Kerajaan dapat memberi jaminan ia-itu Pukat Harimau akan di-gunakan di-Sarawak.
The Assistant Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives (Enche' Sulaiman bin Bulon): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-lah menjadi dasar bagi Kemen- terian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerja sama hendak melipat gandakan pe- ngeluaran ini supaya dapat menchukupi kehendak2 ra'ayat dalam Malaysia akan makanan yang mengandongi zat2 protein.

Di- mana sahaja di-dalam dunia ini, pukat harimau telah di-akui sa-bagai alat menangkap ikan yang bermutu tetapi di-Malaysia ini merupakan satu per- kara baharu.
Oleh kerana yang de- mikian ada-lah masaalah2 yang tertentu mengenai nelayan kita yang menangkap ikan di-kawasan2 pantai, maka peng- gunaan di-dalam perayeran kita maseh di-timbangkan dengan rapi, dan ada-lah di-jangka yang keputusan mengenai perkara ini akan boleh di-buat di-dalam masa yang tidak berapa lama lagi.

harimau pukat THE SUPPLY BILL, 1965 Order read for resumed consideration in Committee of Supply (Tenth Allotted Day).

House immediately resolved itself into Committee of Supply.
(Mr Speaker in the Chair) SCHEDULE Heads S. 18, S. 19 and S. 20— Resumption of debate on Question: That the sums of $48,628,746 for Head S. 18, $239,358,359 for Head S. 19 and $32,326,246 for Head S. 20 stand part of the Schedule.

berchakap Mr Chairman: Saya suka hendak mengingatkan kapada Ahli2 Yang Ber- hormat masa kita hanya untok perkara ini ada-lah suntok sadikit kerana pada pukul 12.00 nanti kita akan memberi peluang kapada Menteri2 untok men- jawab.
Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang hendak datang memberi tahu saya yang mereka hen dak berchakap.

Chuma saya minta jika dapat Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang hendak berchakap tepatkan per kara2 itu, pendek2 sahaja maka baharu- Itu-lah lah boleh sahaja saya beri tahu kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat.

Waktu kita berhenti sa-malam Ahli Yang Berhormat itu belum habis lagi.

saya benarkan.

banyak itu Enche' Lee Seek Fun (Tanjong Malim): Mr Chairman, Sir, I now proceed to page 211 of Head S. 18— Teacher Training (Headquarters).
Over 20,000 young Malaysians have applied teachers and we require to become only 4,500.

To see that every student who has completed his six-year primary education and automatically promoted will be given a place to begin with his secondary education, we have selected teams from the Ministry in every State to recruit these approximately 4,500 teachers to carry on their work since November, and I presume they have not completed to date.
I sincerely hope that care should be taken to select not only the hardworking and intelligent ones but that they must also be loyal.

We have one or two teachers in our trouble now by country giving us twisting the Rahman Talib policy and misguiding the innocent children and parents.

However, they cannot get very far due to the wide publicity, in theory and practice, of the Alliance education policy, and their I am sure 4577 15 DECEMBER 1964 4578 anti-campaign is dying a natural death.
It must be borne in the mind of the Honourable Minister concerned that of the 4,500 who are going to be selected there may be a few who will twist the Rahman Talib education policy.

Under such circumstances, I would suggest that every the Rahman Talib education policy fully well before he or she can be qualified to be a teacher or can be given increment.

teacher must know and Mr Chairman, Sir, I now take Head S. 18, page 241—Perak Education Office.
I wish to take this opportunity to congratulate the Chief Education Officer, his officers and staff for their magnificent work and their develop ment planning prepared for the State of Perak.

The planning is so in detail and good, and I hope the Honourable the of Education Minister Honourable Minister of Finance will consider the development programme of Perak with top priority.
It is of utmost importance that the Catholic High School Tanjong Malim gets approximately $200,000 next year for the construction of an administrative block, extension of the science labora tory, woodwork room, a domestic science room and metal-work room.

the As over eighty students sat for Lower School Certificate Examination this year, under the guidance of a good set of teachers, I am sure at least 80 per cent will pass.
With the assistance the present Acting Minister of of Education, his predecessor and the towkays of Tanjong Malim Sub- district and areas around, I am proud I have got the Catholic High School Chinese (National-type medium) in 1961—approxi mately 1 1/4 years since I was elected to the First Malayan Parliament.

This is now a model school, and every right- thinking Malaysian of Chinese origin in my constituency appreciates the Alliance policy in the Rahman Talib Report.
The students of Tanjong Malim Catholic High School speak and write Chinese, English and Malay very well.

I would remind the Malays to study hard, as the previous years' F.M.C.

results showed that many non-Malays got Grade I F.M.C.

certificates.

If the Malays do not work hard, I am afraid secondary, started that in time to come more Malaysians of non-Malay origin will teach the the Malays.

I national sincerely hope that this will not happen (Laughter).
language to Mr Chairman, Sir, I now refer to page 249, item XI—Centralised Hos tels.

Such hostels are very good; and, especially, in areas where the Malays are thickly populated, they are essen tial.

Most Malay parents are poor.

There is no such hostel in my Tanjong Malim constituency, and I appeal to the Minister that a centralised hostel must be constructed in Tanjong Malim or Sungkai.
token vote of $10 Now, I wish to touch on page 260, sub-head 105, Publication of Malaysian Literature and Tamil in Chinese languages.

I note that under this sub head only a is shown, and I presume the Honourable Minister concerned has a vast pro gramme in view.

I would like to see that this publication is widely distri buted to all parts of Malaysia, in both urban and rural areas as well.

Malay sian literature on educational policy should be given more publicity.
If this is done, then the Honourable Member from Singapore, whom I understand for the Minister of Education was Singapore, would not have compared our education policy with their educa tion policy and its implementation in this House yesterday afternoon.
How ever, my friend, the Honourable Acting Minister of Education, will be taking some time to tell him, before the House adjourns this morning, our education policy and then I am sure he will that our education certainly agree the Singapore policy than is better education policy.

(AN HONOURABLE MEMBER: Hear, Hear).

is Mr Chairman, Sir, I now wish to dwell on page 260, subhead 106— Furniture, Fittings and Equipment.
The Maktab Perguruan Sultan Idris, Tan jong Malim, the oldest Malay Teachers' Training College in Malay sia and it is sad to note that not enough fund is allocated yearly to make it as grand as the Language Institute, Kuala Lumpur, new Teachers' Training Colleges in Malay sia.

I presume and hope that more other and 4579 15 DECEMBER 1964 4580 funds will be allocated to this Maktab Perguruan Sultan Idris, Tanjong Malim for the coming year 1965.
Mr Chairman, Sir, I am now touch ing on page 263, item 1, Grants to Primary Schools and item 12, Aid to Non-Government Muslim Religious Schools.
The below and Sekolah2 Ugama Ra'ayat Rendah need grants and aids very urgently and need the attention of the officers concerned: (1) Sekolah Kebangsaan Kampong schools Kuala Slim, Slim River; (2) Sekolah Kebangsaan Kampong Perlok, Sungkai; (3) Sekolah Kebangsaan Kampong Poh, Bidor; (4) Sekolah Kebangsaan Bidor Town; (5) New National-type Tamil School (Primary), Trolak; (6) Methodist English School (Pri mary), Tanjong Malim; (7) Methodist English School (Secon dary), Tanjong Malim; (8) National-type Primary Chinese School, Slim Village; (9) National-type Primary Chinese School, Slim River; (10) Catholic High School, Tanjong Malim; (11) Sekolah Ugama Ra'ayat Kam pong Balun, Slim River; (12) Sekolah Ugama Ra'ayat, Slim Village; (13) Sekolah Ugama Kampong Rasau, Slim Village; (14) Sekolah Ugama Ra'ayat Kam pong Guntong, Sungkai; (15) Sekolah Ugama Ra'ayat, Kam pong Beirop, Tanjong Malim; and (16) A new building for Sekolah Menengah Ugama at Slim River.
(To cater for students from the streams of Sekolah2 Ugama Ren dah from (Non-Government) Tanjong Malim to Bidor).

Mr Chairman, Sir, I would suggest to the Honourable Minister concerned in Chinese and to print pamphlets to the parents of Tamil non-Malay Malaysian origin that if they send their children to explain students of to the National-type primary schools of Indian medium, either Chinese or Chinese and Tamil and other languages cannot be killed.
If they do not do so, as most parents now send their children to National-type primary schools of English medium, then it is they them selves who are not interested in their own vernacular language and as time goes on the Chinese, Tamil and other languages will run down due to the fault of the non-Malay parents them selves and not the Rahman Talib Education Report.
of The teachers non-Malay of National-type Chinese and Tamil media must also work hard to teach their students and produce good results as schools of other media.
If the teachers and Malay sians origin work together, then our future young Malay sians of non-Malay origin will be able to speak, read and write the national the language, Chinese, Tamil and English the long as languages as Alliance Party under the leadership of our Prime Minister, Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra Al- Haj and the Deputy Prime Minister, Tun Haji Abdul Razak bin Dato Hussein, governs Malaysia.
the Honourable Member Before I conclude, Mr Chairman, from Sir, the ex- Singapore, who was also Minister of Education in Singapore, yesterday afternoon in this House asked the Central Government's stand with regard to higher Chinese education and drew the attention to Malaysia's con sular relations with Taiwan and asked whether it is preferable to send our students to Taiwan or to the Nanyang University on Malaysian soil.

He also asked the Malayan Chinese Associa tion to state its view on this issue.
As a member of the General Central Committee, M.C.A.

Headquarters, Kuala Lumpur, and also a delegate of Malaysia last 18th General Assembly of the United Nations in New to York (Laughter), I have spoken almost all the international diplomats and politicians from 113 countries all over the world {Laughter) and have urged me to answer the question put is a straight forward.
The answer forward one from my own point of the to 4581 15 DECEMBER 1964 4582 view, and from the view of any right- thinking Malaysian, and it is that if the control of the Nanyang University is to be handed over by the Peoples' the Action Party Government to Alliance Central Government and allow the Central Government to take full control of it, then it is preferable to send our students to the Nanyang University than to the Taiwan Univer sity and not otherwise.

Thank you, Sir (Applause).

ini.


Beliau Wan Abdul Kadir bin Ismail (Kuala Trengganu Utara): Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka mengambil bahagian sadikit di-dalam perbahathan Kementerian Pelajaran ini, dan saya ada-lah menyo- kong penoh peruntokan yang di-minta, kerana ini ada-lah satu perkara yang sangat wajib bagi pembangunan na tional kita.
Bila kita memandang kapada pelajaran dan rangka pelajaran national yang ada sekarang ini, Tuan Pengerusi, kita tidak lupa kapada jasa satu orang yang pada hari ini tidak ada di-dalam Dewan ia-lah Enche' Abdul Rahman Talib yang telah memberikan sumbangan yang besar di-dalam pembentokan kapada rangka sistem pelajaran national kita yang ada pada hari ini (Tepok).
Sa- orang yang telah memberi jasa-nya dan derma-nya kapada pembangunan pela jaran kita, kapada pembangunan na tional kita dan walau di-mana pun kita berada, kita tidak akan lupa jasa sa- orang yang bernama Abdul Rahman Talib itu yang akan abadi dengan Penyata Rahman Talib-nya di-dalam pelajaran, dan saya rasa perasaan ini bukan sahaja di-rasa oleh kita orang2 segala Melayu, warga negara Malaysia yang terdiri dari segala keturunan yang ta'at setia—saya tegaskan sa-kali lagi yang ta'at setia kapada negara ini (Tepok).
tetapi juga oleh pada muka Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak beredar sadikit 224—Asrama Penuntut Malaysia, Kahirah, dan saya hendak menyampaikan rasa penghar- gaan saya kapada satu jawatan yang akan di-adakan pada tahun hadapan, sa-orang Pegawai Perhubongan Penun tut yang menjaga berkenaan dengan asrama di-Kahirah ini di- nyatakan bagaimana sedar-nya Kera- itu, dan jaan kita kapada kepentingan penun tut2 kita di-Masir yang telah bertambah ramai—ada 300 orang ramai-nya pada masa ini dan dengan yang demikian maka dapat-lah Kerajaan menampong keperluan mereka itu di-sana, chuma saya nampak peruntokan tambahan bagi Pegawai Perhubongan Penuntut itu terlalu rendah gaji-nya, barangkali sama dengan taraf gaji kerani.
Kalau ini di-beri $3,500 sa-tahun, saya ingat tidak berpadan dan tidak berpatutan.

Maka patut-lah di-naikkan gaji-nya sa- hingga sama dengan kedudokan-nya sesuai dengan kedudokan dan status- nya sa-bagai Pegawai Perhubongan Penuntut dengan pehak pelajaran di- U.A.R.

sana.

ini, sampai sekarang Di-samping itu, Tuan Pengerusi, sampai satu perkara yang berhubong dengan ini, sampai sekarang saya tidak tahu di- ijazah2 mana sangkut-nya penilaian dari Masir ini—belum lagi selesai.
Dari tahun 1957 soal ini di-kemukakan dari masa kita mula merdeka dan sampai hari ini perkara itu maseh senyap.
Saya tahu penuntut2 yang balek dari Masir maseh lagi menunggu2 dengan sabar hendak melihat sa-takat mana- langkah yang akan di-jalankan kah oleh Kerajaan bagi menilaikan ijazah2 dari Masir ini, tetapi jangan- lah kita biarkan mereka itu menunggu terlalu lama, kerana walau pun Tuhan beserta dengan orang yang sabar, tetapi kalau menunggu terlalu lama, kalau lama, sejok akhir-nya—ta' ada berkain dia itu akan lari ka-mana2.
Dan kita perlu kapada tenaga mereka itu, Tuan Pengerusi, dalam pembangunan negara kita pada masa ini.

itu saya hendak Sa-lain daripada memberi pandangan sadikit, Tuan Pengerusi, tentang usaha hendak me- ninggikan kemajuan pelajar2 Melayu di-sekolah2 menengah.
Ini banyak di- perkatakan dan saya berasa hendak bersetuju dengan pendapat sa-tengah daripada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang mengatakan ada penekanan sa-chara halus kapada penuntut2 Melayu di- sekolah menengah, terutama di-seko lah2 menengah jenis kebangsaan Ing- geris yang guru besar-nya bukan daripada orang Melayu sendiri.
4583 15 DECEMBER 1964 4584 satu Saya chontoh, Tuan beri Pengerusi, di-sabuah sekolah mene- ngah Inggeris yang terbesar di-pantai timor, di-Trengganu ada di-lakukan tindakan2 yang kasar, yang tidak patut, kapada murid2 Melayu kita untok hendak menaikkan taraf kema- juan penuntut2 Melayu di-tanah Malay sia ini.

Tempat yang perlu kita tumpukan perhatian di-tempat di-mana orang2 Melayu ramai—di-pantai timor.
satu tindakan Di-sini, satu chontoh, Tuan Penge ini murid2 Melayu rusi, di-sekolah di-pechat dengan sembarangan, sung- goh pun Jemaah Pengurus Sekolah itu membuat keputusan bahawa mesti-lah murid ini di-ambil balek.

Guru Besar ini telah menentang keputusan Jemaah Pengurus itu, tidak mahu mengambil balek murid2 ini.
Ini ada berlaku dan sampai sekarang, saya hairan kenapa- tidak di-ambil kah kapada guru besar yang menghalang aliran pembangunan pelajaran kita saperti ini, Tuan Pengerusi, bahkan pernah satu masa baharu2 ini sa-waktu Perayaan Malaysia di-adakan, guru besar ini melarang murid2-nya meng ambil Perayaan Menyambut Hari Malaysia.
Sampai sa- takat itu dan lebeh menyedehkan, Tuan Pengerusi, dalam perkara kemajuan murid2 Melayu ini, guru besar ini telah meletakkan murid2 Melayu hanya dalam aliran arts sahaja dan tidak di- beri peluang sadikit pun untok menem- patkan murid2 Melayu ini dalam aliran sains.

bahagiati dalam Bagi kita yang hendak berusaha untok menchari perimbangan kedudo- kan dalam pelajaran ini, perkara yang saperti satu ini ada-lah merupakan sejarah yang mesti di-hapuskan.
Saya merasa bahawa perishtiharan daripada Yang Berhormat Menteri Pelajaran bahawa tahun hadapan ada sa-kumpulan murid2 yang mengambil pengajaran dengan bahasa Melayu akan masok ka-universiti, ia-itu di-Sekolah Alam Shah ada sa-ramai 35 orang.

Ini satu langkah yang berperistiwa yang penoh bersejarah.

Maka bagi meng- galakkan aliran ini, Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka-lah menchadangkan supaya itu di- di-banvakkan Sekolah Alam Shah.
lagi Form VI Sekarang ini, saya tahu barangkali Upper Six ada satu kelas, Lower Six ada satu kelas yang bahasa penghantar- nya bahasa Melayu di-Sekolah Alam Shah, maka apa-lah salah-nya di-usaha- kan sa-berapa banyak supaya di-tambah kelas2 itu di-Sekolah Alam Shah dan di-sekolah2 menengah kebangsaan lain yang menjalankan pengajaran-nya dalam bahasa Melayu.
ia-itu Upper Six Untok mengukohkan standard dan mutu murid2 Sekolah Alam Shah yang mengambil daripada pelajaran-nya bawah dengan bahasa Melayu-nya ini, Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka-lah hendak menyatakan di-sini ada satu majallah dan beberapa orang murid di-Sekolah Alam Shah, ini— Form VI ini telah menulis beberapa articles dalam soal ekonomi di-dalam majallah itu—essay-nya—dan menurut nilaian daripada maha2 guru daripada universiti, mutu ini dalam soal ekonomi ada-lah sama taraf- nya dengan mutu penuntut2 Tahun Satu, dan Tahun Dua di-universiti.
Maka tidak ada sebab untok mengatakan orang yang mengambil mata pelajaran dalam bahasa Melayu itu tidak tinggi pelajaran-nya—ini bergantong kapada murid2, bergantong usaha mereka itu sendiri, dan dengan ada- nya kemajuan yang ada sekarang ini, saya merasa kita patut-lah berusaha menambahkan dan membesarkan lagi Form2 VI yang ada di-Sekolah Alam Shah itu.
tulisan murid2 kapada Di-samping itu ada satu perkara, Tuan Pengerusi, ada sa-tengah2 persa tuan pelajar yang sedar perlu-nya mereka memberi sumbangan memaju- kan pelajaran anak2 Melayu mengada- sendiri untok penuntut2 kan kelas Melayu; kelas sa-belah petang bahagian kira2, sains dan lain2.

Satu persatuan dalam perkara ini yang saya tahu ia- Penuntut2 lah GPMS di-seluroh Melayu Malaya.

Persatuan ini ada 25 kelas untok pelajar2 Melayu memajukan pelajaran di-luar masa sekolah.
Saya hanya hendak menchadangkan supaya pehak Kerajaan memberi pandangan sa- belah mata kapada persatuan2 bagini dan beri-lah bantuan.

Di-Selangor ini ia-itu di-Klang satu chawangan GPMS Pelajar2 Melayu ia-itu Semenanjong) (Gabongan Persatuan 4585 15 DECEMBER 1964 4586 Selangor telah membuka kelas-nya di- Klang dapat bantuan.

Kalau bantuan sa-bagai ini di-beri kapada segala kelas2 yang lain itu ia itu memberi dorongan yang baharu kapada kemajuan pelajar anak2 Melayu dalam pelajaran.
Pada hari sa-malam, Tuan Pengerusi, saya ada mendengar orang yang tidak berapa setuju dengan Aneka Jurusan ini saperti saudara saya Yang Berhor- mat dari Bachok, dia berkata ada macham chara kominis-lah, macham2 yang bukan2.

Saya merasa segala perkataan Yang Berhormat dari Bachok ini ia-lah merupakan satu ulasan yang tidak siuman.
Tiada siapa yang sedar akan keperluan pelajaran yang mahu sistem pelajaran Aneka menentang Jurusan ini, kerana ia ada-lah merupa kan suatu sistem yang memberi saloran jurusan ekedemik bukan pada satu tetapi dua lain untok memenohi keperluan2 pembangunan kebangsaan kita.

Ini satu perkara yang kita tidak mimpi boleh dapat.

Siapa yang menentang Aneka Jurusan, maka mereka ada-lah bererti suka kapada satu sistem yang berbau colonial, dan saya tidak fikir kita mahu.
Maka saya merasa tidak pada tempat-nya-lah kita hendak mengatakan yang sistem Aneka Jurusan ini tidak berfaedah.

jurusan tiga Tuan Pengerusi, pada hari sa-malam sa-orang Yang Berhormat dari Singa pura—Tuan Yong Nyuk Lin—ada ber- tetapi chakap tidak berapa panjang, panjang juga, di-dalam perchakapan- nya itu sa-olah2 beliau hendak menjadi juara pelajaran bagi Sabah dan Sara wak.
Saya hanya bertanya2 dalam hati sendiri ada-kah beliau melakukan ini sa-olah2 dia hendak menutup kegagalan- nya sendiri sa-bagai Menteri Pelajaran ada-lah Singapura, kerana dahulu-nya Menteri Pelajaran, di- pechat, di-tendang, di-hantar kapada tahu-lah Kementerian Kesihatan—ta' dia akan berjaya atau tidak berjaya dia jadi Menteri Kesihatan, kerana kebiasaan di-Singapura orang yang gagal di-Kementerian Kesihatan di- hantar pula untok menjadi Ketua Ba- dan Perlanchongan—entah tahun hada- pan, lihat sahabat kita ini akan menjadi Ketua Badan Perlanchongan Singapura pun kita tidak tahu.
lagi kita sa-kali beliau tahun Soal Sarawak dan Sabah tentang pelajaran memang ada beberapa kera- guan dari Sarawak dan Sabah yang kita faham dalam perkara plajaran, dan sebab itu-lah dalam Perjanjian dengan Sarawak dan Sabah masa mewujudkan Malaysia, kuasa melaksanakan pela itu di-beri kapada Kerajaan jaran Negeri sa-lama 10 tahun.

Saya harap Ahli S.U.P.P.


dari Sarawak daripada berpekek2 di-sini tentang hal pelajaran di-Sarawak lebeh baik-lah beliau itu berpekek2 di-Sarawak dahulu supaya di-kikis segala anasir2 colonial yang maseh mengkongkong di- Sarawak (Tepok), di-sana dahulu di- bersehkan baharu berpekek ka-mari, kemudian kita akan kembali-lah kapada pertemuan jalan dan kembali-lah kita pada masa itu kapada keperibadian kita sendiri.

pelajar Kapada P.A.P.


Singapura saya hanya chuba2 jangan berkata bagini-lah: jarum penjajah hendak menjalankan antara hendak memechah-belahkan parti2 dalam Perikatan ini, antara UMNO dengan M.C.A.

dengan me- ngemukakan soal pelajaran, soal bahasa dan soal Nanyang Universiti—ta' usah- lah di-chuba.

Saya tahu P.A.P.

chuba bagitu hendak memechah-belahkan itu, dia hendak datang ka-sini bertenggek menggantikan tempat M.C.A.

(Tepok).

Ini tujuan P.A.P.


Kita tahu kita tidak benarkan itu, kerana kita tahu P.A.P.

bertalam dua muka sa-lama2-nya.

Saya ingin bertanya kapada P.A.P.

Singapura sampai bila-kah Singapura akan merupakan sa-buah Afrika Selatan dalam Malaysia dengan men jalankan dasar multi-lingualism?

Ada- kah Singapura kelak akan masok juga ka-dalam lengkongan dasar pelajaran kebangsaan kita, kerana ini-lah sa- benar-nya jaminan bagi Malaysia ini bersatu, atau Singapura dan P.A.P.
terus menjalankan Singapura dasar Apartheid-nya dalam pelajaran saperti sekarang terus-menerus?

Kalau Singapura terus-menerus menjalankan dasar Apartheid pelajaran-nya, maka tanda Singapura tidak ikhlas kapada tanda Singapura hendak Malaysia, berusaha mengapatitkan (Apartheid) dasar pelajaran seluroh Malaysia dan tanda sa-benar-nya P.A.P.

ia-lah sub versive disloyal opposition.


akan 4587 15 DECEMBER 1964 4588 Dia memang menyokong, Tuan Pengerusi, dasar Apartheid Afrika Selatan, dia tidak mahu boycott Afrika Selatan dan sekarang dia hendak menjalankan pula dasar Apartheid pelajaran-nya terus-menerus.

dengan Suatu perkara, Tuan Pengerusi, ber- sangkut universiti.

P.A.P.

Singapura sekarang ini sudah chuba2 hendak menyeludup universiti.

Pada satu masa dalam tahun ini N.U.F.S.


(National Union of Federation Stu dents) telah mengadakan sidang-nya di- Serdang, sa-buah pertubohan penuntut2 kebanyakan-nya bukan Melayu, yang berpusat dan berpijak di-Tanah Melayu, untok membuka sidang National Union of Federation Students ini tidak men- jemput Yang Teramat Mulia Perdana tidak menjemput Timbalan Menteri, tidak menjemput Perdana Menteri, tetapi menjemput Menteri Pelajaran, Lee Kuan Yew, Perdana Menteri Singapura.
Ini-lah chara yang sudah chuba di-jalankan oleh P.A.P.

untok menyeludup universiti2 kita, Tuan Pe ngerusi.

Sa-patut-nya sa-bagai menghor- mati negeri ini negeri Selangor, kalau tidak mahu panggil pun Menteri Pela panggil-lah Menteri Besar jaran, tidak, menyeberang Selangor, tetapi Perdana Selat Tebrau memanggil Menteri Singapura.

Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad (Pontian Selatan): Subversive.
Inggeris Wan Abdul Kadir bin Ismail: Tuan Pengerusi, tiap2 kali Perdana Menteri Singapura ka-mari atau kunchu2-nya ada-lab mereka memberi cheramah di- universiti.

Suatu masa satu gerakan di- lakukan oleh perjuangan bahasa di- Kuala Lumpur mengchat segala papan yang berbahasa termasok universiti, sa-lepas itu datang-lah Per dana Menteri Singapura memberi cheramah di-universiti.
di-dalam che- sa-olah2 menghasut ramah-nya supaya penuntut2 yang bukan Melayu menjalankan tindakan balas, dan betul berlaku itu beberapa hari segala tulisan bahasa kebangsaan di- universiti Ini sudah berlaku.

Ini bagaimana keadaan- nya.

Tuan Pengerusi, P.A.P.

sudah menjalar di- universiti kita, dan saya harap Kemen- hendak menveludup telah di-chonteng.

sa-lepas itu itu Pelajaran terian akan mengambil pengawasan yang baik atas usaha2 yang subversive sa-bagai ini.
National Union of Federation Students ini, Tuan Pengerusi, di-chuba hendak di-jadikan kuda tonggangan dan batu lonchatan oleh P.A.P.

bagi menyeludup di- universiti kita ini.

Bila kita pandang kapada Perlembagaan-nya kita nam- pak bagaimana sikap-nya yang sa- benar.
Dalam Perlembagaan National ini Union of Federation Students ia-lah bahasa rasmi bagi union bahasa tidak sebut sadikit pun bahasa kebangsaan sa-olah2 badan itu bukan berpijak dan hidup di- bumi Malaysia yang mengaku bahasa Melayu sa-bagai bahasa kebangsaan— (AN HONOURABLE MEMBER: Haram- kan dia).
Inggeris sahaja, itu bermusoh tempat memakai-nya Tuan Pengerusi, tentang soal bahasa yang bukan bahasa kebangsaan saya suka hendak menghilangkan sadikit keraguan atas salah faham yang timbul kapada orang2 yang menentang bahasa China atau bahasa Tamil menjadi bahasa rasmi bukan mereka menentang kerana mereka dengan bahasa itu atau kerana mereka benchi- kan bahasa itu—tidak dan jauh sa-kali!
Bahasa China satu bahasa yang tua dalam dunia ini yang tinggi persuratan- nya (literature) dan banyak perkara2 yang perlu kita kaji dan kita pelajari sa-bagai- tentang literature-nya dan nya, tetapi ia- lah di-negeri-nya, di-tempat dia ber pijak dalam negeri-nya.

Kita di-sini Malaysia hendak bentok satu negara yang baharu timbul, kita hendak satu alat yang menjadi penchantuman, suatu alat perpaduan dan alat perpaduan yang paling effective (berkesan) ia-lah bahasa kebangsaan.
Kalau di-hanchor- kan alat perpaduan ini di-mana kita hendak menchapai perpaduan.

Kalau dapat di-perdua atau di-pertiga alat perpaduan ini akan terhempas-lah per paduan kebangsaan kita.

Itu timbul-nya dorongan bahawa kita suka dan kita berjuang supaya bahasa kebangsaan menjadi bahasa rasmi yang tunggal bagi negara kita.
Tuan Pengerusi, bila kita buka ten tang Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka tentu- lah semua orang bersetuju bahawa kita jasa dan usaha menghargai akan 4589 15 DECEMBER 1964 4590 sempena Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka dalam meninggikan penggunaan bahasa ke- bangsaan dalam segala segi.

Saya rasa kita ini tahun 1967 tidak lama lagi, tahun ini di-beri dua million kalau sa-tengah barangkali tahun hadapan tidak chukup dua million sa-tengah tahun kerana kita dekat sangat dua lagi hendak menchapai tahun 1967.
Pada masa akan datang hanya kita lipat gandakan peruntokan bagi Dewan Bahasa supaya lebeh chepat jalan-nya kita menuju kapada pelaksanaan bahasa kebangsaan.

Saya minta-lah sambil mengambil ini meminta bahawa bulan bahasa kebangsaan kita akan mengadakan sa-mula pada tahun tahun hadapan satu hadapan, pada perkara yang perlu di-jalankan kerana menyambut bulan bahasa kebangsaan ia-lah berusaha dan berikhtiar supaya sub-title sama dalam bahasa kebangsaan.
Ini jadikan satu perkara yang penting untok me- narohkan dalam masa bulan bahasa kebangsaan.
Saya tahun 1960 mula2 kita melancharkan minggu bahasa kebangsaan perkara ini telah timbul tetapi belum dapat di-jalankan— belum berjaya tetapi pada tahun hada pan (1965) usaha yang betul2 besar harus kita lakukan dengan segala daya yang ada pada kita supaya pada masa kita menyambut bulan bahasa kebang saan tahun 1965 maka kita melihat film2 di-segala panggong di-Kuala Lumpur ini dan di-luar Kuala Lumpur kita akan melihat bersama ia-lah sub title dalam bahasa kebangsaan.
Bukan kita tidak hendak dalam bahasa lain— boleh tetapi ada sub-title dalam bahasa kebangsaan bahasa kebangsaan bagi negara kita ini.

Muka 263 sub-head 10 yang menjadi itu di-adakan ingat pada film2 Mr Chairman: Saya suka hendak mengingatkan Yang Berhormat, saya tidak dengar dalam muka berapa?

Wan Abdul Kadir bin Ismail: Muka 263, sub-head 10—Pemberian untok Pengajaran Ugama di-Sekolah Rendah dan Sekolah Menengah yang di-bantu sa-banyak $4,000,000.
Saya hanya satu sahaja hendak minta penjelasan, kerana saya tahu pada tahun lepas per untokan kita bagi memberi bantuan kapada Pengajaran Ugama sa-banyak tetapi tahun $5,000,000 ini hanya $4,000,000—kurang satu million, di- mana-kah kurang-nya dan tentu-lah ada kesan-nya dengan kekurangan ini.
Jadi saya berharap oleh kerana masa kita ini kena menghadapi konfrantasi di- kurangkan, ini kalau tetapi perkara boleh hendak di-kurangkan biar-lah perkara yang lain bukan pengajian ugama ini, kerana ini satu perkara yang besar yang mustahak kita sematkan kapada murid2 ini belajar ugama untok menentang segala diayah2 subversive yang datang bermacham2 pada masa ini.
Dan saya nampak bahawa bantuan sekolah ugama Islam ada bertambah, ini satu langkah yang baik, chuma saya ini minta bantuan pengajian ugama jangan-lah di-kurangkan daripada yang telah di-untokkan pada tahun yang lepas.

Tuan Pengerusi, muka 264—College Islam.

Sa-malam telah ada Ahli Yang Berhormat berchakap tentang College Islam.
Saya hanya meminta satu per kara tentang College Islam ini, cha- dangan yang mula dahulu College Islam ini di-tubohkan dan akan di- usahakan untok menjadi sa-bahagian daripada University sa-hingga ijazah- nya ia-lah ijazah University.
Ini chita2 yang mula2 dan pada masa itu Yang Berhormat Tun Abdul Razak menjadi Menteri Pelajaran tetapi entah macham mana, entah pengaroh dari mana, entah siapa yang memberi fikiran di-situ, entah orang yang bukan anak negeri di-sini tujuan telah menyelewengkan asal itu sa-hingga terjadi-lah College Islam macham ada sekarang dan di- adakan pengajian Islam di-University, di-ambil peruntokan-nya daripada per untokan College Islam sa-olah2 dia sa-bahagian daripada College Islam bukan sa-bahagian daripada University.
Ini perkara yang menjadi kusut—men jadi satu benda yang duplicated, satu perkara yang tidak di-ingini sama sa- kali.

Kenapa-kah tidak kita kembali kapada tujuan kita yang asal.

Usaha menjadikan College Islam itu sa-taraf dengan pengajian University dan di- akui kelulusan-nya sa-bagai kelulusan University dengan pemereksa2 daripada University.

Kerana kedudokan sekarang ini Jabatan Pengajian Islam sa-olah2 bahagian satu daripada bukan-lah 4591 15 DECEMBER 1964 4592 la ini selalu Pensharah University.
sa-bahagian daripada College Islam, chuma taraf-nya di-akui oleh University di-belanjai daripada wang yang di-bayar untok University.

Ini satu perkara yang tidak di-ingini sama sa-kali.

Tinggal-lah College Islam di-Klang dan sekarang akan di-buat pula di-Petaling Jaya dengan keadaan yang sangat tidak menyenangkan hati, taraf-nya di-akui' oleh Kerajaan sa- bagai taraf sekolah menengah, sudah jauh lari-nya daripada tujuan kita yang asal, Tuan Pengerusi.
Dalam Jabatan Pengajian Islam ini pula, pemilehan Pensharah2 di-Jabatan Pengajian Islam di-University sangat di- pentingkan daripada orang2 anak negeri luar daripada Malaysia—daripada luar Malaysia, pada hal yang meminta masok menjadi di-situ banyak daripada anak2 negeri kita sendiri yang mempunyai kelulusan yang tinggi daripada luar negeri yang di-akui tentang pengajian Islam, mereka tidak di-terima.
Ada-kah mereka tidak di- terima kerana mereka itu anak negeri, di-pileh orang daripada lain negeri sa-hingga ada orang yang di-pileh pada satu masa orang yang Mazhab Shi'a yang tidak di-akui oleh Mazhab kita di-sini.
Ada pernah orang yang men jadi Pensharah di-sini yang bermazhab Shi'a yang menentang ahli sunnah wal- jama'ah kerana mementingkan orang daripada luar negeri, sedangkan orang2 dalam negeri banyak anak2 orang kita sendiri yang kelulusan daripada Masir dan lain2 yang ada kelulusan chukup boleh mengajar.
Kalau mereka kurang dalam bahasa Inggeris tetapi dalam bahasa Melayu mereka boleh memberi pengajaran dan bukan mesti, kerana telah banyak sa-kali mata pelajaran di- university di-ajar dalam bahasa kebang- saan, mereka boleh mengajar dalam bahasa kebangsaan.

Oleh sebab yang demikian, Tuan Pengerusi, taraf penga jian Islam di-University itu tidak sa- berapa.
Dan menurut yang saya tahu pengetahuan Islam-nya— pengajian penuntut2 pengajian Islam ini kalau di- bandingkan dengan penuntut2 pengeta huan pengajian Islam, penuntut2 Col lege Islam jauh lebeh baik daripada penuntut2 di-University.

Jadi ini harus di-perbaiki dan ini harus di-betulkan, harus di-persesuaikan dengan keadaan yang sa-benar.
Satu perkara yang akhir-nya, Tuan Pengerusi, ia-lah saya suka menyata- kan di-sini ia-itu untok kita hendak membaiki pengajian ugama Islam dan Yang Berhormat Menteri telah menga- takan dengan tegas hendak membaiki taraf pengajian ugama Islam.

Saya minta dan saya merayu-lah supaya di- adakan Maktab Latehan Guru Ugama, tidak chukup dengan ada-nya latehan sekarang di-buat dalam masa chuti penggal.
Di-beri latehan dua minggu untok guru2 ugama lepas itu nanti di- beri lagi tetapi perkara systematic ini bagini tidak akan mendatangkan kesan yang baik, bagi kita melihat mereka dalam sa-buah Maktab yang khusus sa-hingga kita dapat menerbitkan guru2 mengajar betul2—guru2 yang bermutu dan betul terlateh kerana dapat men- jamin hasil yang baik bagi pengajaran ugama Islam.

Jadi, sekian sahaja-lah, Tuan Pengerusi dan saya menyokong peruntokan ini.

Terima kaseh.
Terima kaseh.

lima, enam bulan tidak latehan the last remark made by Enche' Ong Pang Boon (Singapore): Mr Chairman, Sir, first, let me dwell with the Honourable Member for Tanjong Malim.

The Nanyang University is not a State University: it does not belong to the State of Singapore.

Nanyang University was sponsored by some merchants and educationists who are interested in Chinese education.
It has its own Board of Management, and the power of giving away the control of the University therefore does not lie with the Singapore Government and, for his information, I might say that the 60 per cent of from Nanyang University Malaya—a fact which he should always remember.
the students of come Mr Chairman, Sir, it is very much regretted that the autonomy in educa tion in Singapore and its policy giving equal treatment to the four-language streams of education have come under heavy criticism in this House; and some Honourable Members, the Government backbenchers, have even demanded the abolition of our State autonomy in education.
It is necessary in view of the concern and anxiety that such in Singapore that, I think, it will not be statements have generated including 4593 15 DECEMBER 1964 4594 out of place for me to explain why we think our policy of according equal treatment to four-language streams of education in Singapore is the correct approach the peculiar condition obtaining in Singapore and why we insist on autonomy in education as one of the conditions for merger.
in system the education policy Mr Chairman, Sir, the Razak Report of which in Malaya was based states that, I quote : educational "The ultimate objective of policy in this country must be to bring together the children of all races under a national the National language is the main medium of instruction though we recognise that progress towards this goal cannot be rushed and must be gradual."
Now, while few will disagree with this statement, a cursory glance of the daily newspapers recently will show that in which Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid (Sebe- rang Utara): Mr Chairman, Sir, on a point of order.
Standing Order 67B (6) (ii) states: "If no notice has been given of any amendments, or when all amendments have been disposed of, a debate may take place on the motion mentioned in paragraph (5), or on that motion as amended, as the case may be; debate on the motion shall be con fined to the service concerned."

The Honourable Member speaking on the policy.

is now Mr Chairman: That is not a point of order, please.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu): If the P.A.P.


has come under a withering attack, it should have the opportunity to reply.

I am no friend of the P.A.P.

(Laughter).

Mr Chairman: Please proceed.

Enche' Ong Pang Boon: Thank you, Mr Chairman, Sir.

I was saying why few will disagree with the statement and that a cursory glance of the daily news papers, of course, will show that a large section of the people in Malaya was concerned in the manner of its implementation.
This goes to show that education tact, understanding and patience can be a disturbing factor to unity instead of becoming an to forge a instrument united people with a common national if not handled with consciousness.

Today national con sciousness and a common loyalty to Malaysia is our goal in education.

At the moment Malaysian nationalism and Malaysian demand a wider, more tolerant and statesmen- like educational problem.
approach national to our unity While we in Singapore have on our own initiative, and with the full support of the people accepted Malay as our national language, our approach in Singapore is somewhat different.
Our education policy in Singapore is based on three main principles outlined in 1959 when we came into power: (1) The acceptance of the 1956 the All-Party Com Report of the UMNO) mittee of the Singapore Legislative Assembly on education which provides: (including (a) equal treatment for the four- language streams of edu cation in Malay, Chinese, Tamil and English; (b) the of introduction bi lingual education in primary schools and tri-lingual edu cation in secondary school; and (c) the use of Malayan-centred textbooks and syllabus.
(2) The acceptance of Malay as the national language of the State.

This provides encouragement to non-Malays to learn the language, a goal which is also pursued here in Malaya, and at the same time the revitalisation of Malay edu cation itself.

(3) Emphasis in science and mathe matics to meet the requirements of an industrialised society and in the study of the languages of the State.
this All-Party Mr Chairman, Sir, Committee was called into being because of the long years of successful communist exploitation of Chinese culture and education in Singapore.
In the turbulent years in the early fiftys, because of the disparity of treatment in Chinese education, the communists 4595 15 DECEMBER 1964 4596 this their exploited language, education successfully sensitive, emotional issue, because the colonial Government and the subsequent Lim Yew Hock regime had both failed to appreciate and understand this basic problem.

The communist exploitation of this issue was so successful that education communists and Chinese more or less became synonymous.
Any action against the communists was often construed as an attempt to destroy Chinese language, culture and educa tion.

The Lim Yew Hock regime came into an ignominious end, not because he fought the communists, but because they failed the deep to understand emotional attachment of the Chinese and to culture, and failed to remove the dis satisfaction and frustration arising out of the disparity of treatment between the Chinese and the English schools.
Thus by our giving equal treatment to the four-language streams of education, we have removed long-standing distrust and suspicion of the Chinese and deprived the communists of fertile grounds for exploiting the education issue to the detriment of the democratic cause.
The continuance of this policy does not mean that we are adopting an runs educational policy which counter to that of the Peninsular, but rather we are travelling by different roads and, take therefore, different periods of time to reach the common national objective in educa the Razak tion, as enunciated Report.

it will the in Mr Chairman, Sir, language, educa tion and culture are emotional issues which are best resolved by persuasion than by compulsion.
This is particularly important in a multi-racial and multi cultural society like Singapore and Malaya where each of the three main communities has its own distinct lan guage and culture.

To compel a large section of the population to study only in a particular language and to abandon its own culture is impractical and can only create antagonism and disaffection.
It is for this reason that we sought autonomy in education, so that our educational policy, which is based on a realistic appraisal of the multi-racial character of the population in Singapore and of the susceptibility to their res pective languages and cultures, can continue.
Failure to appreciate the emotional attachment that the Indians and the Chinese had for their own language and culture, fostered and strengthened by over a hundred years of colonial educa tion system and latterly inspired by the resurgence of India and China in the modern world, can only lead to disaster.

Language and culture which have a history of thousands of years cannot be discarded overnight.
However, what can be done is to gradually persuade the people of various communities to study and use the national language in schools where the language media is other than the national language.

This in fact is what is being done in Singapore in the English, Tamil and Chinese schools where the national language is taught.

We believe, at this early stage of the political development in Malaysia, this phase is necessary.
It is our view that if the people wish their children to be educated in any of the four languages in Singapore, they should be allowed to do so.

There is nothing wrong in this.

However, in addition, they should also learn and master the national language.

In fact, the parents and school authori ties have been only to co-operate and the Government finds itself hard pressed to supply the neces sary number of qualified national language teachers.
too willing However, what is more important at this early stage of political development in Malaysia is the inculcation of a Malaysian consciousness and the sense of belonging to one nation in schools rather than the insistence of one parti cular language medium.

It is the ideo logical content in education that is more important the at language medium itself.
stage than this We believe that in Singapore before we can achieve the ultimate national objective in education, it is necessary to go through a phase of adjustment during which equal treatment to the four language streams of education will be accorded but at the same time the national language will be encouraged.
We believe that the various language schools which have hitherto developed 4597 15 DECEMBER 1964 4598 into separate water-tight compartments should be brought closer together by breaking down these racial and linguis tic barriers that separate them.

To do so we must first accord equal treatment to the four language streams of education in Singapore so that the long standing distrust and suspicions of every Govern ment intention will be removed.
Once this is done, then measures can be introduced to bring about inter-mingling of students, a common content syllabus and the inculcation of national con sciousness and Malaysian identity.

This is the course of action being followed in Singapore.

The common content syllabus .

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Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman (Seberang Tengah): On a point of order.

Standing Order 36 (1).


I think the Honourable Member is irrelevant, the Sir, because we are discussing education policy of Malaysia, which the does not include Singapore, for education policy of Singapore is autonomous.

Mr Chairman: Isn't Singapore part of Malaysia?

Enche, Ibrahim, bin Abdul Rahman: We are not interested in this House to hear the education policy of Singa pore.

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

Enche' Ong Pang Boon: I am trying to reply to some of the attacks that have been made on the education policy in Singapore.

In any case, Mr Chairman, Sir, I won't take long.


Mr Chairman, Sir, the common content syllabus and the inter-mingling of students from different races in our integrated schools where students of two or more streams of education are studying under one roof and using the common facilities in the classroom and in the playing field have contributed in a large measure towards breaking down the racial and linguistic barriers.
Although this may take two generations or more the national objective in education, but it will in a positive manner bring peace and harmony to the country.

As against this, the alternative is too terrible to contemplate.
to achieve It the is because we understand sensitivity of the people on matters of language, education and culture and the realisation that the present approach to language and education in Malaya will not be wholly and immediately accept able to the people of Singapore that we have sought autonomy in education on merger.

This state of autonomy is embodied in the merger and the Malaysia Agree ment and enshrined in our Constitution.

These are solemn documents not to be taken lightly.
Over 70 per cent of the electorate in Singapore had voted for autonomy in education on merger in a Referendum.

We shall see that their will, their decisions, are honoured and that no change is made without their consent.

Malaysia was brought about by the mutual consent of the people in a spirit of give and take.

Any tampering with the terms and conditions of the Malay sia Agreement and the Constitution at such an early stage of Malaysia will only shake the very foundation of its existence.
As it is, the insistence that the Sarawak and Sabah Governments should change their education policies contrary to the spirit of the Malaysia Agreement if they want to qualify for free primary education has been dis quieting to the people in these two States.

I hope these talks of abolition of state autonomy in education by some Government backbenchers do not reflect the sentiments and intentions of the Central Government.
Indeed, the less such wild talks the better for unity and solidarity of the people in Malaysia.

language The question and of medium in education has little to do with the question of loyalty.

There are people in this country who speak Malay and educated in the Malay language school and yet carry out anti-national and anti-Malaysia activities both in Singapore and Malaya and some such persons even allow themselves to be used as agents for Indonesian aggres sion.
There are, on the other hand, many people who were not educated in the Malay language and who speak little or no Malay and yet are loyal to Malaysia and prepared to lay down their lives in the defence of its terri torial integrity and sovereignty.
Is the farmer who speaks no Malay but who 4599 15 DECEMBER 1964 4600 lieutenant led an Indonesian to his capture at the Jurong Police Station less loyal than, for instance, Ahmad Boestamam or Musa Ahmad the Chairman of the Communist Party of Malaya, both of whom were educated in Malay and speak pakar Malay?
the Mr Speaker, Sir, question of language and education is treated as an educational problem and divorced from the question of loyalty and race the better for all in Malaysia at this stage of our historical develop ment.

So much for Singapore's policy in education.

sooner the Now, coming to Malaya, the .

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Enche' Abdul Razak bin Haji Hussin (Lipis): (Malay) Standing Order 36 (1).

Enche' Ong Pang Boon: Mr Speaker, Sir, I am coming to the Comprehensive School system, Mr Chairman: Carry on.
the inequitable and Enche' Ong Pang Boon: Mr Chair man, Sir, the Acting Minister of Edu cation has claimed that a tremendous progress has been made in the provision of educational facilities for the people.

Indeed, one of the main reasons for introducing ill- considered tax policy is claimed to be the raising of additional revenue for the expansion of education.
Yet, the facts seem to indicate that the actual achieve ments are far less than the claims and that the Government has still a long way to go in the provision of what may be regarded as reasonable oppor tunities for the education of the masses.

It is generally accepted that edu cation is one of the most important means of raising the economic status of the people and an equalising factor between the "haves" and "have-nots".
This means that the Government must do all it can to see that education opportunities are offered to all and not just confined to a small elite specially endowed with money, power or position.

From the figures given by the ex- Minister of Education to this House on 2nd December, it was noted that over the than 20,000 children of the correct age each year had not been admitted to schools.

two years more last The figures must be higher in previous years.
Whereas in Singapore, we had been able, since 1960, to offer every child of school going age a place in school.

The comparative figures of secondary school enrolment are even more startling.

The percentage of total number of secondary school students to that of total number of primary school students in Malaya in 1963 was 13.5% whereas it was 26% approximately.
In the case of Malay stream, the percentage of total number of secondary pupils to that of total number of pupils in Malay primary schools in Malaya was 4% compared with 23% in Singapore.

A the number of pre- comparison of University students between Malaya and Singapore is even more startling.

There are in 1964 almost two and a half times more pre-University students in Singapore than in Malaya.
in Singapore in This indicates inadequate provision of educational facilities and a great deal of wastage in Malaya.

The lack of teachers, the inade properly trained quacy of teaching facilities and schools and automatic promotion have been the high percentage of reflected elimination the Secondary in rate School Entrance Examination, which is as high as 70%, and another 40% in the Lower School Certificate Exami nation.
The result was that only about 15% to 20% of students admitted to schools had the opportunity to study up to Form V and sit for the Cam bridge School Certificate or the F.M.C.

Examination.

In Singapore, all who pass the Primary School Leaving Examination, which is about 60%, will have the opportunity to study and sit for the Cambridge School Certificate or the F.M.C.

Examination.

That, I hope, will answer for Tanjong Malim who claims that edu cation in Singapore is far inferior to that of Malaya.
the Member Mr Chairman, Sir, this high per centage of wastage in Malaya is not going to be eliminated by the intro duction of the comprehensive system.

It only means the elimination that process will be deferred for three years to take place at L.C.E.
level and the rate of elimination will be raised from 4601 15 DECEMBER 1964 4602 at level facilities the present 40% to somewhere in the region of 75% to 80%, because prac tically all the financial provision in the next year's Budget has been to provide lower educational secondary large increase of Form I students following the abolition of the Secondary School Entrance Examination.
Besides, all the factors contributing to a high per centage of wastage such as automatic promotion and lack of trained teachers will even be more serious.

to meet the the In principle, comprehensive the system as announced has its merits and is a progressive step in education especially in raising the school leaving age to 15, although in Singapore it has been 16 since 1960.
However, the manner and circumstances of its intro duction, as my colleague has pointed out yesterday, reveal all the evidence of a hastily conceived and inadequately thought prematurely scheme launched as an election stunt to gain votes in the last General Elections.

It is a foregone conclusion that the the comprehensive declared aims of system will not be realised in the next three to five years.
out For one thing, the comprehensive system requires an additional 4,000 classrooms, or nearly 200 schools, to cope with increase of the expected 100,000 Form I students next year as stated by the Acting Minister of Education.

Mr Chairman: I would like to remind the Honourable Member that he should confine himself to the policy of the service as provided in the Estimates and not go beyond that.

Enche' Ong Pang Boon: Sir, I am talking of the inadequate provision in the Estimates.
Mr Chairman: But you are gene ralising !

Enche' Ong Pang Boon: However, it is well known that all the proposed new comprehensive schools are still on paper.

Despite the running of an extra session in the afternoon and loan of classrooms from independent schools, it is not unlikely that a large number of Primary VI pupils will not be able in Form I to find places in 1965.
Parents will find their children out of school without having passed a simple examination to indicate the level of performance attained by them.

The Acting Minister of Education assured the House yesterday that the Ministry will see to it that the standards are maintained.

This, I submit, is humanly impossible.


When the aboli tion of the present system of schools was announced in March, the Alliance Government claimed that 3,000 addi tional teachers were required and they were to be given emergency training of six months, and that this training will be supplemented by two additional spells of training of six months each.
Yesterday, we heard the Acting Minis ter of Education announce that more than 4,500 teachers will be required to cope with the expected increase in the next year's Form I enrolment.

Further more, the teachers are to receive even less training than in the original plan.

They are practically asked to teach with out any training.

Whatever training the teachers are to receive will be given at week ends and during school vacations.
What is more surprising is that though large numbers of teachers are is hardly any there teacher increase trainers.

The strength of the present teacher training establishment, both in the primary and secondary sections, as provided for in the Budget, remains the same for Division I and Division II officers.

A falling off in standards appears inevitable.


required, in the number of in theory, subjects which, Furthermore, the students will not be offered the announced wide range of the students can elect to study, because of the lack of teachers with the necessary skills and the facilities to teach such subjects and because no new schools equipped with such facilities are being built as yet.

In any case, I understand that even the syllabus for these elective subjects have not yet been finalised.
There is, indeed, a very real danger that those students with talents may not have the opportunity to flower.

The Member for Pontian Selatan yesterday criticised the planning offi for cials in the Education Ministry 4603 15 DECEMBER 1964 4604 inadequate and bad planning in the implementation of the comprehensive system.
This, I think, is rather unfair as the decision on comprehensive system was taken by the Ministers and they must have known that it was physically and humanly impossible to implement the system next year.

But then, the General Elections had to be held and won, and all regard for adequate preparation and planning would have to go overboard.

Mr Chairman, Sir, education is far too serious a matter to be experimented upon.
Now that the folly has been committed, it is hoped that all measures to rectify the shortcomings will be expedited so that what appears to be an improved system does not become an object of ridicule.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Chairman, Sir, I wish first of all to touch on the two sensitive subjects that have been touched upon again and again in this House, that of language and education.
At the beginning of this session, the Member for Tanjong made a plea that these two sensitive subjects should be separated, so that that goes with both of them can be calmed down.

the emotion Mr Chairman, Sir, the national language should not be treated as one where one shouts slogans about it and be highly emotional about it.
The national language is accepted by each and every citizen as an official language and given time it is true to say that in the years to come each and every citizen of this country will be able to read and write the national language.

That is no problem, because it is a in all media of compulsory subject instruction and is a compulsory it examination in all examinations.

Conse quently, the rising generation will have an adequate knowledge of the national language.
As for the other people who are not literate in the national language, those like me for example, they are learning the national language and, no the doubt, will continue national there are a number of people who are illiterate and no amount of slogan shouting can make them study the national language.

But, as has been pointed out before, the language.


But learn to farmer who led the Indonesian lieu tenant to the Jurong Police Station does not know the national language and knows only Mandarin, but does that than make him one iota less loyal the highly educated person the national language—the graduate of the Malay Studies Department in the Uni versity of Malaya or the University of Singapore?

I maintain that it is not so.


So, Mr Chairman, Sir, I will make a plea that let us look at this subject of the national language with calmness, tolerance and patience.

in learning thinking of It is a wellknown fact that in physics for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Now, to those people who shout slogans about the national language, there may well have an opposite reaction, in that, it may well frighten the illiterate farmer who may well be the national language, but because of these slogans he may well say, "Well, what am I do do?

They say 'Meninggikan, Menggunakan, Mengutamakan Bahasa Kebangsaan'.

My God, how am I to go about about it?"


So may I make treat a plea this that we should subject with patience and tolerance and in time no doubt everyone will know the national language and will use the national language.

to get emotional about As for education, there is really no necessity it, because education is a highly technical subject.
There is a course in education leading to a Diploma of Education in the University of Malaya and in the University of Malaya education itself is going to be a subject for an Honours or Pas Degree, which shows that education should not be an emo tional subject but should be regarded as a technical one and let us leave it to the professional people to judge how this best country will benefit the rising genera tions.
the educational system in Mr Chairman, Sir, the Compre hensive system of education has been criticised both by the Alliance back benchers and by us on this side of the House.

I have time and again brought to the totally that are being provided for the Comprehensive inadequate facilities the attention of this House 4605 15 DECEMBER 1964 4606 I it think it.
I do not wish system of from system of education and the member from Singapore has just now talked at to length about reiterate what he said, except to say that I see no evidence as yet of the complete assurance that the Govern ment gives that every student now in Standard VI will be given a place in Form I next year.

I sincerely hope that they will get a place.


With charity in heart, I will say that I must congratulate the Alliance Government for the intro duction of this system of education, although is an election gimmick, and I am prepared to see that in time to come they will succeed.

I still sincerely hope that this Compre education will hensive succeed, but allocations the before this House it does not seem that any serious attempts are being made to implement this scheme.
The inadequate provision made is totally and it is only for three years.

The bottle neck, as has been pointed out just now, comes three years hence, and what are you going to do?

Three in years hence Standard VI will be knocking at the doors of L.C.E.

and they will all want to go to Form IV.

Perhaps then there will be the massacre of the innocents and then everybody will wonder "After 15 years I can't get a certificate.

What am I to do?"
What am I to do?"

At least under the present system after six years of study they get a certificate.

That is a matter, Mr to Chairman, Sir, which commend to the Acting Minister of Education.

those pupils I wish all I wish to dwell again on the topic of the teaching of Chinese and Tamil in English schools.
None other than the member from Tanjong Malim has brought to the attention of this House of the inadequate provision for Chinese primary schools and I do hope that the Acting Minister of Education will look into this matter of inadequate Chinese primary schools.

I have been told by many parents that they cannot get their to study Chinese sons or daughters the English medium and Tamil in schools.

That in is so particularly Kuala Lumpur.


This is a matter which not only I say so but none other than the Malayan Indian Congress says so.

I quote from the Malayan Times of the 14th December, 1964— "Touching on education, the delegates regretted the attitude of schools in not giving proper attention to the teaching of mother tongue in the English medium schools.
The Government was urged to investigate this matter, and was further urged to observe the teaching of mother tongue within the period of the timetable."

So, Mr Chairman, you see that I am not the only one to complain; a partner of the in the Alliance, as reported the Malayan Times, has stated that time given to the teaching of Chinese and Tamil is inadequate and I do hope that the Acting Minister of Education will look into this matter.
in Mr Chairman, Sir, I now wish to touch on the Department of Chinese Studies in the University of Malaya.

The Alliance Government proudly the Chinese student that proclaims today can go right up from the primary school to the University of Malaya's Department of Chinese Studies.

Mr Chairman, Sir, I maintain that is a that must be nailed.

falsehood and First of all, education in the Chinese medium is stopped at Standard VI.
Thereafter this education is continued admittedly in the Chinese schools, but the medium of examinations is in the official the languages, i.e., either national language or in the English language.
Consequently the Chinese students in the Chinese schools lose touch with Mandarin and as such if they were given inadequate instruction, as was pointed out by the Malayan Indian Congress, then how on earth are they to progress beyond Form VI, when from Forms IV and V and there after in the Upper Secondary and the H.S.C.

there is no instruction either in the Tamil or Mandarin languages?

Con sequently, how can students prepare for courses in the Department of Chinese Studies?
This is a matter which I wish to bring to the attention of the Honourable Acting Minister of Education.
the Alliance Govern ment proudly proclaims that Chinese students can go from Standard I right up it must implement that promise, it must provide in the students' adequate instruction mother lower the secondary and in the upper secondary the University, tongue, both these then in to If 4607 15 DECEMBER 1964 4608 and in Form VI as well, so as to pre pare these students for education in Department of Chinese Studies in the University of Malaya.
to the Member Mr Chairman, Sir, Nanyang Univer sity has been bandied about a great deal in this House both yesterday and today.

It has been pointed out by the Honourable Member for Tanjong Malim that if the Nanyang University was handed over the Central Government then the Nanyang Univer sity would be recognised.

Mr Chair man, Sir, perhaps for Tanjong Malim is not aware of the fact that education is a State matter in Singapore.
In any case, between the the University of Singapore and University of Malaya is a there reciprocal agreement between the two Governments, i.e., if there are students from Singapore studying engineering or the Singapore then agriculture here Government has the reimburse to Central Government for the number of students studying here and vice versa.

take up If in courses Singapore the Central Govern ment has to reimburse the Singapore Government for the students studying in the University of Singapore.
from Malaya in dentistry or medicine students then in should degrees Mr Chairman, Sir, the recognition of Nanyang University degrees, I maintain, should have nothing to do with politics.

Recognition of Nanyang be on University whether or not the standards are adequate.

That should be the criterion; whether degrees are from Al-Azhar, from Timbuctoo, from Taiwan or from Decca, it really does not matter.
If the Government the academic standards are adequate then, I maintain, recognition should be given by the Central Government.

satisfied that is Now, Mr Chairman, Sir, as was just now pointed out by the Honour able Member from Singapore, 60 per cent of the students in the Nanyang University are from the Federation.
I maintain that if the standards in the Nanyang University are adequate and if by suitability certificates bad ele ments are all eliminated the University, then probably the time has come for the Central Government to from in studying think (1) whether it should assist its students the Nanyang University, and (2) whether it should recognise the degrees of the Nanyang University.
This has nothing to do with politics, and I hope the Central Govern ment will look on it objectively and not to get emotional as some of the Government backbenchers tend to be when the Nanyang University issue is mentioned.

Incidentally, Mr Chairman, Sir, there are many protagonists of the Nanyang University from the Malayan Chinese Association who are making loud noises outside this House.
We are today debating on the subject of educa tion, and why are these protagonists, amongst the Honourable is Member for Bandar Melaka, why is he, not here today to have their say?

I do not know whether he is here today, but he was not here yesterday.

Such is .

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them Enche' Geh Chong Keat (Penang Utara): On a point of clarification—for the benefit of the Honourable Member for Batu I wish to inform him that there are many speakers the M.C.A.
who are going to speak after him, provided we have the time to speak.

from Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Yes, I will be very brief and allow other Honour able Members to speak, Mr Chairman, Sir.

Enche' Tan Toh Hong (Bukit Bintang): Mr Chairman, Sir, on a point of clarification—on this matter of recognition of Nanyang University, the Honourable Member for Teluk Anson has already spoken very clearly and loudly on this topic in this very House.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Then I wish to withdraw that little bit regarding the M.C.A., except to say that one pro tagonist of the Nanyang University has spoken loud and bold on this subject outside this House.

Mr Chairman, Sir, I now wish to the proposed University touch on College in Penang.

Here, again, the Alliance Government has made all sorts of promises and the Penang State Government unfortunately has been led up the garden path.
I notice that in a newspaper report they are now a 4609 15 DECEMBER 1964 4610 then little more sober and realistic that they may not have the University College until 1970 as reported in the Press.

I am glad that they are now more realistic and, perhaps, they suspected that the Central Government was all the time leading them up the garden path.
I say that the Central Govern ment is leading them up the garden path, Mr Chairman, Sir, is because if to be the University College were it must in Penang established have the active collaboration and assis tance from the University of Malaya.
But, Mr Chairman, Sir, I do know for a fact that up to the end of 1963 this in matter of a University College Penang has never been discussed in the University Council of the Univer sity of Malaya, and I understand also that it is not being discussed during the current year.

Consequently, how on earth can you have a University College in Penang if you do not have the active assistance from the Univer sity of Malaya?
I do hope that the Central Government will be a little more sincere in its promise to establish a University College in Penang.

Now, Mr Chairman, Sir, I wish to dwell on the subject of free primary education in the Bornean States.

This is a matter that has again been dis cussed at great length in this House.
I only wish to say that I have stated time and again in this House why the people of the Bornean States have not the privilege to enjoy this free educa tion despite whatever obstacles that may be in the way by virtue of con stitutional arrangement.
I do wish to commend to this House the fact that Professor Tregoning of the Depart ment of History in the University of Singapore has, I think in the Sarawak Times of last year, put forward a thesis that there should be a Univer sity College in the Bornean States.

This is a long-term wise proposal which I commend to the Acting Minister of Education, and I do hope that as a start he should look into the feasibility of setting up more Sixth Form classes in the Bornean States.
Mr Chairman, Sir, I wish now to close my speech by bringing to the the Acting Minister of attention of Education this question of hunger strike at the Ministry today.

Today's "Straits Times" carries a picture of a teacher squatting outside the Ministry of Education.

This is a matter, Mr Chairman, Sir, I hope the Acting Minister of Education will look into.
I quote from the "Straits Times' of the 14th December, 1964: "The President of the 500-strong All- Malaya Association of Past Students of the Tamil Teachers Preparatory Examination, Mr S. B. Linggam, will go on a hunger strike in front of the Ministry of Education to morrow morning.

The hunger strike is in protest against the Ministry's decision not to give teachers training."

About 200 teachers had received the to undergo preparatory examination professional are not allowed to qualify as teachers.
The training scheme for Tamil language teachers was taught in 1964.

Mr Chair man, Sir, incidentally Mr Linggam is now squatting in front of the Ministry of Education as shown in today's issue of the "Straits Times".

I do hope the Honourable Minister of Education will be kind enough to look into the matter and save him from the hunger pangs that he has to endure as a result of this governmental policy.

Thank you, Sir.
Thank you, Sir.

training but sejarah Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mtanji (Pasir Mas Hulu): Tuan Penge- rusi, saya suka mengambil bahagian dalam Belanjawan Pelajaran ini dengan hanya menyentoh beberapa perkara yang penting.

Yang pertama sa-kali, Tuan Pengerusi, masaalah buku2 text.

Dalam buku2 dalam text sekolah2 terdapat Inggeris maseh sejarah2 pen- yang mencheritakan derhakaan pahlawan2 Melayu dahulu.
Mithal-nya ada buku sejarah yang mencheritakan Mat Kilau dan Datok Bahaman ia-lah sa-orang penderhaka, pada hal sa-patut-nya kita mensifatkan orang2 ini sa-bagai pejuang bangsa, pejuang lagi penderhaka, bagitu juga di-dalam sa- buah buku sejarah yang di-ajar di- sekolah2 Inggeris ini, sa-orang pah lawan Melayu yang bernama Putong di-Perak yang telah membunoh sa- orang Resident bangsa British yang mendapat sokongan daripada Raja Perak ketika itu, dan di-dalam buku ini di-cheritakan bahawa orang Melayu kemerdekaan, bukan 4611 15 DECEMBER 1964 4612 yang bernama Putong penderhaka.
ini ada-lah Tuan Pengerusi, saya harap-lah pe- hak Kementerian ini menyelideki buku2 sejarah yang di-ajar di-dalam sekolah2 di-Tanah Melayu ini, supaya jangan ada lagi murid2 kita semenjak tahu sejarah Tanah Melayu ini, me- ngatakan bahawa orang2 itu pen derhaka.

Kita mahu keturunan di-masa yang akan datang ini kenal siapa juga pejuang2 kemerdekaan dahulu lebeh awal daripada kita.
ini ini Berkenaan dengan yang kedua, Tuan Pengerusi, ia-itu saya tidak tahu sama Pemangku ada Yang Berhormat Menteri Pelajaran tahu bahawa Universiti Malaya sekarang ini sudah ada satu kumpulan, ia-itu kumpulan timbul- anti-bahasa kebangsaan, dan lawatan ini sa-telah nya kumpulan yang di-buat oleh Lee Kuan Yew manusia yang bernama Lee Kuan Yew—dan kerja2 pehak anti-bahasa kebangsaan ia-lah menchunting semua sa-kali nama2 dalam bahasa kebangsaan di-sakitar Universiti Malaya ini.
Ini-lah benda yang saya mahu sampaikan ka-pengetahuan pehak Yang Berhormat Pemangku Menteri Pelajar an.

Sudah banyak di-chakapkan oleh saudara2 yang lain dalam masaalah bahasa kebangsaan saya menguchapkan banyak terima kaseh pada Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Pontian Selatan, yang dengan terang2 telah mencheritakan dengan jelas-nya kesalahan2 di-lakukan, tetapi pehak Ahli Yang Berhormat itu tidak men cheritakan Kementerian yang bersalah, tetapi mencheritakan pegawai2.
Saya tentang itu tidak setuju, kerana yang menjalankan kerja ini betul pegawai2, tetapi mendapat arahan daripada pehak Kementerian, dan tidak patut-lah yang pegawai2 itu mesti di-salahkan.

ini, dan Masaalah bahasa kebangsaan ini, Tuan Pengerusi, ia-lah satu masaalah yang penting.

Ini di-akui oleh segala pehak.

Penting dari segi membangun di- kan masharakat ini.
Chita2 membangunkan Malaysia satu masharakat, atau satu bangsa ini tidak akan berjaya, bahkan menjadi chita2 bahasa kebangsaan ini tidak betul2 di-pelajari dan di-amalkan oleh segala pehak.
kalau-lah khayal, bangsa satu Kita maseh dengar banyak pehak2 yang menuntut supaya bahasa2 lain di- jadikan bahasa rasmi yang kedua, atau yang ketiga, dan tuntutan2 ini tidak apa2 bantahan mendapat daripada pehak Kerajaan, hatta sa-orang wakil ia-itu Yang Ber Perikatan sendiri, hormat daripada Bandar Melaka maseh dengan terang2 menuntut bahasa China di-jadikan bahasa rasmi yang kedua di- Malaysia ini.
sa-kali, Saya mahu tahu, fasal apa dalam Dewan Ra'ayat ini, Yang Berhormat itu tidak berchakap menuntut bahasa itu di-jadikan bahasa rasmi, tetapi di- luar di-dalam satu perjumpaan yang di-Negri Sembilan, Ga- di-adakan bongan Dewan2 Perniagaan China, Kesatuan Guru2 China di-seluroh Malaya telah mengadakan memoran dum dan pada hari itu saya sudah di-Dewan ini keluarkan masaalah tetapi Yang Berhormat Ra'ayat, Menteri Pelajaran yang telah lepas ini.
Ini-lah, Tuan menafikan benda Pengerusi, jawapan yang di-berikan oleh Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana Menteri dalam jawapan polisi speech baharu2 ini ada-lah amat menduka- chitakan ia-itu kata Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana Menteri ini sampai tahun 1967, kalau ta' dapat sa-ratus peratus pun, sembilan puloh peratus kita juga.

Ini satu jawapan yang amat mendukachitakan seluroh pendukong2 bahasa kebang saan di-seluroh negara kita ini.
Kita sampai masa tidak mahu apabila bahasa bahasa Melayu kebangsaan maka percentage-nya itu kurang.

Kita mahu sa-ratus peratus, tidak ada tolak ansor lagi.

Sebab itu dalam meshuarat Dewan ini juga pada hari yang telah men- lepas, saya chadangkan apa guna kita mengata- kan Nanyang Universiti ini tidak ber- kita sifat kebangsaan.
Apa guna menyalahkan Universiti, kalau sudah tahu Nanyang Universiti tidak bersifat kebangsaan, me ini nyalahkan Perlembagaan Malaysia ini—haramkan Universiti Nanyang itu lebeh daripada membiarkan Nanyang Universiti itu hidup.

Tidak ada guna-nya kita bertempek Nanyang Universiti itu tidak betul, tidak betul, tetapi kita membiarkan tidak betul, benda yang tidak betul ini hidup, dan di-jadikan Nanyang jadikan baik 4613 15 DECEMBER 1964 4614 beratus2 tahun murid2 akan keluar dari- ini.
Saya pada Nanyang Universiti ulangi chadangan saya, Tuan Penge- rusi, pada Yang Berhormat Pemangku Menteri Pelajaran, tutup Nanyang Universiti dan benda yang kedua ber- hentikan bantuan2 yang di-beri oleh Kerajaan kapada sekolah2 yang tidak menggunakan bahasa kebangsaan.

Dua tahun lagi akan menjelang-lah bahasa Melayu menjadi bahasa kebang saan di-seluroh Tanah Melayu.
Me- ngapa Kerajaan maseh memberi bantuan kapada sekolah2 yang tidak mengamalkan dasar pelajaran kita, dan bahasa tidak mahu menjalankan kebangsaan rasmi.

Kita memberi bantuan itu berma'ana kita membiakkan kembang-nya bahasa2 lain daripada bahasa kebangsaan.

Ini ada-lah satu benda yang bertentangan chita2 menjadikan bahasa dengan kebangsaan sa-bagai bahasa Enche' Tan Toh Hong: On a point of clarification, Sir.

If the Honourable Member so really .

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.. Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji: Tuan Pengerusi, ta' ada masa lagi saya hendak memberi peluang itu.

kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat Benda yang patut di-perhatikan oleh saudara2 atau pun orang2 lain di-dalam Malaysia ini, ia-itu yang tinggal pada orang Melayu hanya-lah satu, ia-itu bahasa kebangsaan.

Ini-lah yang maseh ada, kalau bahasa kebangsaan ini pun mahu di-chabul, saya tidak tahu apa benda yang akan berlaku di-negara kita ini.
Tuan Pengerusi, saya beraleh kapada Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka.

Ada saudara2 saperti Yang Berhormat daripada Kuala Kangsar menchadang- kan supaya di-beri hadiah kapada orang2 yang belajar bahasa kebangsaan, di-beri hadiah dan di-naikkan pangkat.

tidak setuju, Tuan Pengerusi, Saya kerana tidak pernah di-buat orang di-dalam dunia ini, tiap2 warga negara ini yang dudok di-negara Malaysia mengakui tundok kapada Perlembagaan Malaysia.
Dan dalam Perlembagaan Malaysia menyatakan bahasa Melayu akan di-jadikan bahasa rasmi.

Kalau orang2 itu tahu ta'at, tahu ta'at kapada sudah Perlembagaan Malaysia ini, sampai masa-nya dan telah di-beri tahun peluang oleh Kerajaan lapan lama-nya untok mempelajari bahasa kebangsaan, dan mengapa hendak suroh tundok kapada undang2 Perlembagaan Malaysia itu hendak di-beri upah dan hadiah.

Ini satu benda yang ta' pernah di-buat walau di-mana pun.
Saya men- chadangkan Tuan Pengerusi, apabila buat satu2 benda mesti ada force, mesti ada tidak boleh bila sampai masa Bulan Bahasa Kebang saan itu gunakan-lah, gunakan-lah, gunakan-lah, jadi kita ini minta tolong orang supaya menggunakan Undang2 ini.

Kita minta tolong orang Per tundok itu lembagaan ini, Ini tidak betul.

Orang itu sudah sanggup menjadi ra'ayat, dia mesti tundok kapada kemahuan Per lembagaan.
law—undang2 kapada supaya itu Saya menchadangkan, Tuan Penge rusi, supaya Kementerian ini meng- adakan undang2 dalam Bulan Bahasa Kebangsaan yang di-ishtiharkan oleh siapa Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka; sahaja yang berchakap lain daripada bahasa Melayu boleh di-tangkap dan di-hukum dalam mahkamah.

Baharu- lah ada—pehak Menteri suka sahaja.

Tetapi ini-lah benda yang patut di- buat.

Ada orang yang mengatakan "Go to hell with National Language".

Ya, maseh ada orang yang berchakap sa-macham itu.


Saya, Tuan Pengerusi, sa-bagai Telephone pernah bekerja Operator dalam Minggu Perpaduan, dalam Minggu Bulan Bahasa ini, saya minta supaya orang2 besar ini meng gunakan hari to hell with ini.

Dia kata, "Go National Language."

Apa saya hendak buat, hendak siapa?

Sa-hingga Pengarah Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka pun telah berkata, "Saya sudah puas dah, saya dah pening kepala!"

sa-kali orang2 yang Sampai bagitu ini.


Saya anti bahasa kebangsaan saya minta menchadangkan Menteri itu jawab, boleh atau tidak satu undang2— boleh mengadakan memaksa orang2 ini supaya mengguna kan bahasa kebangsaan saperti Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Seberang Selatan berchakap mengena'i Thailand.
Di- negeri Thai tidak boleh dan tidak di- lain benarkan sa-kali orang report pada kebangsaan bahasa sama dan 4615 15 DECEMBER 1964 4616 letakkan nama membuka sekolah, melainkan mesti tundok dan mesti belajar bahasa Siam.

Hendak lain di-sign board rumah itu pun kalau hendak gunakan bahasa asing mesti minta kebenaran daripada Kerajaan dan kena tax.

Ta' ada manusia dalam bayar dunia ini mengatakan Kerajaan Siam dzalim—ta' ada—kerana itu negeri-nya, dia boleh buat apa dia suka.
Bagitu juga Malaysia dalam Undang2 Malay ini mengatakan—Perlembagaan sia menyatakan bahasa Melayu menjadi bahasa rasmi, mesti tundok kapada itu dan tidak ada lag!

bertolak ansor.

Soal lain, Tuan Pengerusi, Malaysia telah menerima Hall, London.
Saya rayuan2 daripada anak2 Melayu yang menuntut di-England dan tinggal di- Malaysia Hall, anak2 Melayu ini di- anaktirikan, sa-bagaimana Ahli2 Yang Berhormat telah mengatakan bahawa anak2 Melayu dalam sekolah2 Melayu di-Malaysia di-anaktirikan, tetapi di- juga anak2 Malaysia Hall, London Melayu di-anaktirikan sa-bagai orang yang datang menompang bukan sa- bagai tuan hak.

Mithal-nya, Tuan Pengerusi, periok masak daging, itu-lah periok masak babi, itu-lah periok masak daging2 lain.
Ini tidak dapat di-nafikan oleh pehak Yang Berhormat Menteri, kalau mahu menafikan saya akan bawa surat daripada orang yang menghantar surat itu, dan orang itu sudah pun kembali ka-tanah ayer bekerja sa-bagai loyar—baharu kem bali.

Saya harap benda macham ini tidak akan berlaku lagi.

Sa-lain daripada itu masaalah scholarship yang di-beri di-negeri ini kebanyakan-nya orang2 yang besar dan orang2 kaya yang dapat, orang miskin tiada berpeluang.
Saya harap pehak Yang Berhormat Pemangku Menteri Pelajaran menyelideki benar2 benda ini.

Beri scholarship Kerajaan ini kapada orang yang betul2 mustahak, kapada orang yang betul2 patut dan layak mendapat-nya, jangan-lah ada memileh kaseh dalam pemberian scholarship ini.

Akhir-nya, Tuan Pengerusi, buku2 yang di-keluarkan oleh Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka yang menjual buku2 itu kapada semua sekolah2 dengan tidak memberi peluang kapada penjual2 buku yang ada berselerak di-tanah ayer kita ini ini kapada ini.
Apa yang saya harapkan, Tuan Pengerusi, biar-lah sa-kurang2-nya di- beri konterek penjualan buku2 yang di- keluarkan oleh Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka sa-buah kedai Melayu, bukan tidak ada di-bandar sa-buah kedai ini Kuala Lumpur Melayu yang besar menjual buku2, tiap2 buku yang di-keluarkan oleh Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka patut di- beri kapada kedai2 buku Melayu dan semua2 kedai2 supply kapada sekolah dalam Malaysia ini.
Saya sa-kali lagi uchapkan terima kaseh kapada Yang Berhormat dari Pontian Selatan kerana membongkar cherita2 Kementerian ini.

Kalau Ahli PAS berchakap tentu kena godam kuat, tetapi kalau Yang Ber hormat dari Pontian Selatan berchakap sendiri, maka saya anugerahkan gelaran Dato' Paduka Maha Raja Shah Alam di-Rimba (Ketawa) kapada Yang Ber hormat dari Pontian Selatan.

Terima kaseh.
Terima kaseh.

sudah Mr Chairman: Saya suka hendak memberitahu kapada Ahli2 Yang Ber ini hormat oleh kerana perbahathan banyak belum habis jika boleh, kita habiskan sa-belum pukul 1.00 dan supaya banyak Ahli2 Yang Berhormat dapat berchakap tolong-lah pendek2kan uchapan itu.

lagi dan Enche' Siow Loong Hin (Seremban Barat): Mr Chairman, Sir, apparently there seems to be quite some confusion, everybody wanting to speak.

However, I would like to thank you very much for granting me this opportunity.
in forcing people I have listened with great interest just now to the Honourable Member from the P.M.I.P.

Apparently, he is asking the Government to use undemo cratic methods to study the National Language, and that is something which is very foreign to the Alliance Government.

Possibly, when the P.M.I.P.


come into power, to able to do a they will probably the thing Alliance Government concerned, being a democratic Government, we would like to follow the democratic ways of encouraging people to study the National Language.

I think every one is agreeable that there must be a that.

But, as far as like is 4617 15 DECEMBER 1964 4618 National Language for this country, and everyone is attempting to study the National Language as quickly as possible.
by in Singapore and hence The Honourable Member from Singa pore yesterday had challenged, in this House, the M.C.A.

to state openly its policy on Nanyang University and Chinese education.
This morning we have heard another Honourable Mem that ber from Singapore, who says language, education and culture are very sensitive and emotional issues, and that these the communists exploited sensitive issues on Chinese education the before trouble had started years ago when students there were riotings in Singapore.

I wonder whether the Honourable Members from Singapore issue, touched on who have challenging the M.C.A.
to state openly here, are not again re-opening up these sensitive issues, or are they trying to play the P.A.P's politicking game in this House?
I think everyone is fully aware of the P.A.P's tactics in utilising this House for its Party's politicking; and I think the Honourable Members from Singapore are also fully aware the M.C.A's policy, as far as that education is concerned, is the Alliance policy, and we have stated categorically many a time what the Alliance policy is, and the public is fully aware of it.
this to The Alliance policy on the Nanyang University has been openly stated, that it will give a square deal the Nanyang University, provided it con forms to our education system, main tains an academic standard equivalent to other Universities, and is completely devoid of all subversive elements in the student bodies.

I am sure the P.A.P.

this Members are policy.

fully aware of troubles, what did When the Nanyang University had its bag of the Members of the P.A.P.

Government in Singapore do?


They did nothing.

(AN HONOURABLE MEMBER: Hear, hear!)

They called on the Alliance Govern ment to do the dirty work for them.

The basic cause of Nanyang's troubles had been the P.A.P.

They had been helping indirectly to cause dissensions to the student bodies among rise in against a legitimate Government power, at that time the Government of Tun Lim Yew Hock.
Later, when they found that they could not control the situation any further, they passed the buck to the Alliance Government.

I must say here that they practically went on their knees to Dato' Dr Ismail, our Minister of the Interior at that time, and begged him to help them to deal with these subversive elements in the Nanyang University.
of May we also know as to whether the Government of Singapore has recognised Nanyang University as yet, that education is a despite the fact State autonomy in Singapore?

What is their policy?

Is their policy just the employment few Nanyang a University students under the employ the Singapore Government, or is of their policy towards Nanyang much further and deeper than that?
As to Chinese education, the Alliance Govern ment has staled many times that it encourages the study of the languages of the various races in this country; it is not our policy to do away with the languages and cultures of other races.

This is written in our Constitu tion.

The Honourable Member there has the audacity to stand up in this House unashamedly to claim credit for the free primary education policy in Singapore which, from his own mouth, he stated was handed down by the colonial masters.
This is not an innovation of the P.A.P.

Government of Singapore.

Where was the P.A.P.

then when the colonial masters were controlling Singapore?

AN HONOURABLE MEMBER : Sleeping!

the education policy Enche' Siow Loong Hin: They now take credit for something which was done by somebody else.

In fact, this morning we heard a very glowing report of in Singapore.

We are not going to cross swords with them on this matter.

If they think their policy is good, we think ours is just as good, if not better.
But what actually confuses the minds of the people in this House, as well as the the people outside, is the way 4619 15 DECEMBER 1964 4620 trying the have-nots P.A.P.

members are to play politics by trying to gather around the haves and the have-nots and divide them into two separate groups.

I sup pose they have now placed Sabah and Sarawak among and Singapore as the haves.
If one recol lects, some time ago, when the Sabah Government was trying to obtain a loan of $30 million from Singapore, they were placing obstacles and impos sible conditions amounting to demand ing "a pound of flesh" from Sabah before the $30 million could be given to them.

Where is their disparity of haves and have-nots?

to mislead Mr Chairman, Sir, we have been hearing a great deal about this question of the comprehensive system as an election gimmick.
I wonder whether the speeches made in this House are not a political gimmick the people inside and outside as well as the administrators.

They have now resorted to championing the administrators and the civil servants of this Government and put the blame on the political leaders of this Government.

There are many types of chauvinism, and I think this is chauvinism of one of the highest to divide, degrees.

They are split and, if possible, disintegrate the whole society in this country.
One may wonder whether the P.A.P.

has a hand in in Sabah (Laughter).

the present trouble trying to they in Standard that enrolled the 1963 statistics Mr Chairman, Sir, they talk about Chinese education, talk about multi-lingualism.
As a matter of fact, the according enrolment of Chinese primary schools in Standard I in Singapore amounts to only one-third of the total Chinese pupil population in Singapore as compared I with English primary schools, and over these years, more than 100 Chinese school teachers and headmasters have been sacked by the P.A.P.

That their education policy.


They have always considered the self-styled champions of the Chinese language and education and have done a great deal for the Chinese language and education, and yet they have come down here and say that this is a very sensitive issue, the communists have been exploiting it themselves is they not exploiting and therefore they have had trouble.

issue Are directly here with the M.C.A.

in trying to split the M.C.A.

and the UMNO and split the Alliance?


I am quite sure we are not as blind as not to be able to see through their game.

this However, Mr Chairman, Sir, I would like to speak on this question of the comprehensive school system that we will be putting into operation by next month.

There has been a great deal of debate on the comprehensive system both inside and outside the House.
I would like to state here that everyone is in full agreement with the Govern ment's policy on education; but what has been causing great concern is not the policy as such but the actual imple mentation of this policy.

I would like to elaborate on this for the information and guidance of the Minister.
follows: is broken up as On 15th July, 1961, the Ministry of Education issued an official statement stating that l/3rd of the time in con verted Chinese secondary schools can be spent on the study of the Chinese language, literature and culture.

This time a minimum of 180 minutes per week for Chinese language, a minimum of 135 minutes per week for Chinese literature and a further period of 360 minutes per week at the head the discretion of teacher can be devoted to the study of Chinese.
This makes up a total of 675 minutes per week, out of a a total of 1,620 minutes per week.

Now, the com prehensive system syllabus allows only 120 minutes to the study of the pupil's own language, including literature, or the study of Islamic religious knowledge.

This means that 555 minutes have been taken off, resulting in only 1/15th of the time as compared to l/3rd of the time as stated in the policy statement.
This syllabus can be construed as not conforming to the policy set forth in the Ministry's statement of 15th July, 1961.

According to this statement of 15th July, 1961, even assuming that the head teacher will devote some part of the 360 minutes at his discretion to other subjects, this still means that in the first three years in the fully assisted Chinese secondary schools about l/3rd of the time can be devoted to the study 4621 15 DECEMBER 1964 4622 language, of Chinese literature and culture.
In the fourth and fifth years, the head teacher has wider discretion as to the time spent on other subjects, but the result is the same—that up to l/3rd of the time can be spent on the study of Chinese.

The above timetable requirements are established by law under the Schools (Courses of Studies) Regulations, 1956 (L.N.

451/56) and are stated in Gazette Notification 1815 published in the Federal Government Gazette of 14th May, 1959.
The sylla buses, also authorised under the same Regulations, provide 315 minutes for Chinese in the first three years and 360 minutes in Forms IV and V. But these periods can be increased up to 1 / 3rd of the total school time.

This was widely published.

This policy statement was issued to refute the criticism that only 180 minutes per week is given to tea ching Chinese in conforming Chinese secondary schools.
Now, in the com prehensive system with the reduction to 120 minutes, the time given is far short of the original time agreed to.

the fulfilment of Mr Chairman, Sir, the purpose of the comprehensive system, as we all know, is the eventual integration of all school children.

This would in the long run, however, affect the teachers' employ ment, especially the teachers in Chinese.
I am sure the Government is fully aware of this problem and would find ways and means to safeguard the live lihood of these teachers as promised by the Rahman Talib Report.

The comprehensive system is an improve ment on the secondary school system and the Rahman Talib Report to giving 9 years educa tion to all children.

Such an improve ment cannot be construed as a change in policy.
Since the policy is unchanged, it is important that those engaged in the administration and implementation should not tamper with the basic policy set forth by this House.

It must be remembered that this House is elected by the people and any policy approved by this House is the policy of the people.

The should follow this policy to the very letter in its implementation.
administrators As I said earlier, Mr Chairman, Sir, the main cause for concern is that this is not being implemented policy I accordingly.

Mr Chairman, Sir, would urge the Minister to go into this question of the syllabus of the compre hensive system and see that this policy is not deviated from its original aims.

Mr Chairman, Sir, I would not like to go much further, except to say a few concluding remarks regarding this question of the Budget that we have been discussing since the last few days.
Theatre.

Singapore, Mr Lee Kuan Yew's speech on last Saturday to the P.A.P.

Central Execu tive Committee and branches at the Victoria as reported in the Straits Times, shows that behind the pretence of preventing the Barisan's poison from reaching home, the real and main purpose of Mr Lee Kuan Yew and company is to launch an extensive and massive pan-Malayan campaign and to utilise all their avail able cadres and supporters.

This is revealed in the following paragraphs of that newspaper.
He said: the statement he made in "It is important to explain to the people and build up a climate of public opinion that will make it difficult for the Central Govern ment to go through with retrogressive tax legislation."

I am quoting from the Straits Times of 14th December, 1964.

This, in my opinion, is a complete defiance of the Central Government.
He, again, repea tedly stressed the introduction of the controversial payroll and turnover taxes as unnecessary, iniquitous and having a retrogressive effect on the economy.

"With support throughout Malaysia", he said, "a new climate of public opinion may be built whereby the Finance Minister may find he has got to adjust policies to face realities."

This is rebellion!

Next he said that, "beginning next week, the P.A.P.
cadres would go out on an explanatory role and make clear our stand and explain to the people the taxes."

This morning's newspaper was very clear.

It says here under the heading MINISTER SPEAKS AT "ILLEGAL" RALLY: — "All three"—Mr Hoh See Beng, N.T.U.C.
Chairman, Enche' Hashim Idris, the 4623 15 DECEMBER 1964 4624 the Vice-Chairman, and the Honourable Enche' C. V. Devan Nair, the Secretary- General—"said that the Internal Security Act was being interpreted as a law to protect the Malaysian Finance Minister, Mr Tan Siew Sin, from honest, constructive criticisms."

I wonder, Mr Chairman, Sir, whether one can find in the Internal Security Act where it is stated that it should protect the Minister of Finance from criticisms from the public.
I think this is a very unfair allegation to make, because when the Police went to inter vene it should not be interpreted as the implementation of the Internal Secu rity Act the Minister of Finance.

to protect Again, you will find statements say ing that P.A.P.

cadres and Assembly men in groups of two or more move around, attending dinners, or calling on trade unionists and association leaders, etc., inciting them to send memoranda, stage mass rallies and so on whereby the P.A.P.
will escalate the discontent of the people, because of the way the P.A.P.

had described these new taxes "as unnecessary, iniquitous and having a retrogressive effect on the economy".

At the Hokkien Hoay Kuan dinner on the 6th December, 1964, this was stated by Mr Lee Kuan Yew: "As usual, the P.A.P.

goes back to the ideology of the inevitable class war between the 'haves' and the 'have-nots' in Malaysia."
This was very loyally stated, again, in today's newspaper by the Honourable Enche' Jek Yuen Thong: "But any taxation policy must be realistic; it must take into account the fact that the majority in any country are the 'have-nots' and a minority are the 'haves'" Mr Lee Kuan Yew said that the Malaysian Budget was basically weighted in favour of the "haves" and against the "have-nots".

the "It is morally wrong to take from 'have-nots' and give to the 'haves', particularly in Singapore.
This is utter madness", he said.

If this is not class warfare, if this is not inciting class warfare, I wonder what is.

Further he said: "And one thing we know to be wrong is to give in to intimidation.

We give sincere, honest criticisms and in return we are shown the mailed fist.

I think it is wrong that we be intimidated and cowed."

intimidate I wonder when I wonder when the Central Government the Singapore ever did Government.
the Central Government ever did show its mailed fist to the Singapore Govern ment.

Where these words come from, 1 do not know.

This can possibly be an indication that the P.A.P.

will secretly support the Barisan's strategy of defi ance of the Government's policy of law and order.

Mr Lee Kuan Yew has hinted here that where the people think that the taxes are wrong they must not give in to intimidation, which means that the masses will be urged to fight— constitutionally or by violent means.
there However, is a sane person among the group.

The Honourable Dr Goh Keng Swee was more careful.

He only said: "I hope public opinion will be strong and unanimous to persuade the Central Govern ment to consider the new measures."

I think that is a very logical step to take and not to say about intimidation and mailed fist.

Enche' C. V. Devan Nair (Bungsar): On a point of information, Sir.

As there was reference to Dr Goh Keng Swee, may I inform the Honourable this Member and attempt by the M.C.A.
to woo Dr Goh Keng Swee is completely pathetic and fallacious, because I know him very well and much better than the Honour able Member.

this House that Enche' Siow Loong Hing: Sir, I would like to thank the Honourable Member very much for his informa tion.

As a matter of fact, we are not wooing anybody from the P.A.P.

We are only just trying to make a dis cerning line between the good and the bad among them.

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

in Mr Chairman, Sir, we the Alliance, the Central Government, know that when we promulgate any policy, particularly a tax budget of this nature, we are always at a dis dis advantage—at advantage.
It is like a political fight in which the people on their side—usually they show to the people that they are on the side of the people—and the Alliance are on the defensive, and if we were to hit the Opposition have great very a 4625 15 DECEMBER 1964 4626 something must be done back, we hit at the people; if we do not hit back, we keep on receiving the blows of the Opposition, particularly the P.A.P.

and their stooges.
and their stooges.

There fore, to separate the people from the P.A.P., so that if the Central Government were to give blows to the P.A.P., they will not be felt by the people.

If the P.A.P.
If the P.A.P.

can be shown to the people that they are not sincerely loyal to Malaysia and that they are not sincerely wanting to stop Soekarno's aggression, that they are not really for the welfare and security of the people but rather they are putting party interests before national interests Mr Chairman: May I point out to the Honourable Member that he is taking part in the debate on the Supply Bill and not speaking at an election rally.

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

Enche' Siow Loong Hing: Mr Chair man, Sir, that is why at the beginning I said, "In conclusion, I would like to (Laughter) and say a few words" having had your permission, may I conclude my speech by saying just a few lines more.

to what The P.A.P.

are putting party interests before national interests and they are a security risk.

There must be some truths after all in what people believe as took place between Enche' Lee Kuan Yew and the "Plen".
Then the peoples' minds will be taken from the tax issue to the more impor tant issues of national integrity, solida rity, security, peace and harmony.

Now, I would not like to ask them questions, but I would just like to remind the House of this, Mr Chair man, Sir.
If you all have read a little bit of the Second World War and what happened in England, you can remem ber that during World War II while Mr Churchill was fighting to save Britain from Hitler, the British Com munist Party was conspiring to take advantage of the World War situation to stage a civil war in Britain in order to capture power.

This was Lenin's strategy which enabled him to capture the government while the Russian troops were heavily engaged in fighting the Germans during World War I.
A third example was Mao Tse Tung's to capture control of the strategy government while Chiang Kai-Shek was heavily engaged in fighting the Japanese.

This is the strategy which the P.A.P.

in (HONOURABLE MEM Malaysia BERS: Shame!

Shame!).

While the Central Government is heavily engaged in fighting Soekarno, the P.A.P.

is exploiting the tax issue for party power- struggle.

is now employing today.


Mr Chairman, Sir, we must also remember, just as the Communists and the pro-Communists must keep on their anti-American struggles and campaigns in order to destroy the symbol of democracy, so the P.A.P.

and the Barisan Sosialis must keep on their massive campaigns against the M.C.A., especially against the M.C.A.

President, who is the Finance Minister, and also against the Chinese leaders who re present the freedom-loving Chinese in Malaysia, because the M.C.A.
is the only democratic political Chinese party that can provide leadership to all the Chinese in South-East Asia.

Therefore, the Communists and their fellow travel lers must kill the M.C.A.

I hope my brothers from the UMNO will realise this point.

This is the only answer why the Communists and the pro-Com munists are determined to destroy the M.C.A.

and, with it, the President.

Thank you, Sir.

(Applause).


untok Pelajaran Che' Ajibah binti Abol: Berhubong dengan perbelanjaan atas Kepala S. 20, negeri2 Sukatan Borneo, saya suka menerangkan de ngan tegas ia-itu saya tidak bersetuju sentimen yang di-keluarkan dengan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Sarawak, Enche' Ong Kee Hui.

Petang sa-malam Ahli Yang Berhormat itu telah menudoh, di-antara lain, ia-itu nampak-nya Kerajaan Pusat tidak mempunyai pengertian simpati dan terhadap orang2 Sarawak.
perasaan Peruntokan sa-banyak $17 juta lebeh untok pelajaran di-Sarawak bagi tahun 1965 yang akan datang membuktikan dengan terang dan jelas-nya bahawa tudohan Ahli Yang Berhormat itu tidak berasas sama sa-kali.

Tuan Pengerusi, saya menyokong penoh seruan Yang Berhormat Menteri 4627 15 DECEM BER 1964 4628 I :| keputusan di-Sarawak Pelajaran supaya Kerajaan Sarawak mengkaji sa-mula dengan teliti system pelajaran yang sedang di-jalankan di- Sarawak pada masa ini.
System ini, Tuan Pengerusi, di-adakan di-Sarawak semenjak, kalau ta' silap, ia-lah dalam tahun 1961.

Dan di-bawah system ini anak2 bumiputra di-Sarawak, terutama sa-kali yang dudok di-luar bandar, tidak mendapat nikmat pelajaran yang wajib di-berikan oleh Kerajaan kapada pe- ra'ayat.

Daripada pereksaan, nyata sa-kali kapada se- luroh ra'ayat Sarawak bahawa system ada-lah me- pelajaran nguntongkan suatu gulongan sahaja ia-itu kaum China yang telah maju pelajaran dalam Sarawak.
System yang ada di-Sarawak pada masa ini hendak di-jalankan dalam tahun 1961 dahulu, parti SUPP-lah menerusi pemimpin- nya, Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, Enche' Ong Chee Ho, dan Enche' Stephen Yong, yang telah menentang keras system tersebut dengan alasan, bahawa system itu bukan berchorak national yang bertujuan hendak menghapuskan kemuliaan dan kesusasteraan kaum China.
Sekarang sa-telah Malaysia yang telah di-tubohkan, di-tentang-nya Ahli Yang Berhormat itu meminta Kerajaan Pusat supaya membelanjakan wang berjuta2 ringgit pula untok Kementerian Pelajaran di-Sarawak dan menerusi system yang tersebut juga, yang di-tentangkan oleh beliau dan parti-nya dahulu.
Ada-kah Ahli Yang Berhormat itu terfikir pada masa ini bahawa system di-Sarawak itu ber tujuan hendak menyamakan, hendak menyemaikan perasaan bersatu padu, satu bangsa dalam Malaysia, atau ada- kah Ahli Yang Berhormat itu sekarang berfaham bahawa system yang ada di- Sarawak pada masa ini, tidak lagi ber tujuan untok menghapuskan kemuliaan kesusasteraan kaum China.
itu Tuan Pengerusi, saya yakin ia-itu sa-bahagian besar daripada ra'ayat Sarawak mahu supaya system pelajaran Aneka Jurusan, yang akan di-mulai di- Malaya ini pada tahun hadapan kelak di-sambongkan Tetapi telah banyak di-dengar oleh kita pro paganda2 yang telah di-taborkan di- Sarawak oleh gulongan2 yang anti atau menentang Malaysia, dan pegawai2 di-Sarawak.

British yang ada di-Sarawak yang ber- kata, kalau system pelajaran di-Malaya di-gunakan di-Sarawak, maka hilang- lah bahasa Inggeris.
Dan dengan hilang-nya bahasa Inggeris di-Sarawak kelak, kata-nya oleh kerana murid2 itu hanya mempelajari bahasa kebangsaan sahaja, maka sudah tidak-lah anak negeri Sarawak itu dapat men- ehapai kemajuan pelajaran.

Oleh itu saya berharap Kerajaan Pusat mesti mengambil tindakan yang sasuai untok memberikan penerangan yang sa-jelas2-nya kapada ra'ayat Sarawak berkenaan dengan system pelajaran yang di-amalkan di-Malaya ini.
dalam tentu tiap2 pegawai sa-orang Tuan Pengerusi, akhir-nya saya ber- chadang supaya Kerajaan Pusat meng- hantarkan dari Kementerian Pelajaran ka-negeri2 Bor neo, supaya wang yang berjuta2 ringgit itu, yang di-belanjakan dapat di-nekmati oleh pehak2 yang mundor yang mundor di-Sarawak saperti Melayu, Melanau, Iban, Kedayan dan lain2 lagi dari bumiputra.

Tuan Pengerusi, pada masa tinggi dalam Jabatan Pelajaran di-Sarawak ada-lah pegawai2 expatriate sahaja.

Sakian.
Sakian.

sakalian pegawai2 suku2 bangsa tahun atau ini Enche' Geh Chong Keat: Mr Chair man, Sir, I would like to speak on Head 18, sub-head 17 and Head 19, sub-head 30, University of Malaya, and higher education.

in tongue the official Sir, we accept that by 1967 Malay shall be language.
Our country has also accepted the educa tion policy as laid down by the Razak the the Talib Reports wherein and teaching is the mother accepted, and as a result of this the Alliance Government thereby created the four streams in the primary educa tion, viz., Malay, English, Chinese and to the Tamil.

Up the rights Government the cannot teaching of the different languages in the educational institutions or schools.
In the light of this, both in the Con stitution, the Talib the Razak and Education Policy Reports, we hope that our Government will honour the con tinuance of these four streams in the primary education after 1967.
It is also to 12, pertaining respect of education, prevent in 4629 15 DECEMBER 1964 4630 in the education policy to permit one- fourth of the time in the secondary schools, i.e., the time in Government- assisted schools may be used at the discretion of the principals to teach Chinese to the Chinese students and similarly Tamil to the Tamil students.

We all know, of course, that the Educa tion Advisers have a say indirectly, as they control the Chief Education Officers and the principals of schools.
into Sir, I trust that the Acting Honour able Minister of Education will state in this House that it is not the intention of the Alliance Government to change its education policy after 1967, because the public, and the citizens and the fathers of students would like to know it, as it is of national interest to all of us.
As much as the Malays want higher education, Sir, the other non-Malays also have a right to such amenities; and I must congratulate the former Minister of Education for creating the Alam Shah Pre-University School which prepare Malay students, using the Malay medium, for entry University of Malaya.

These Malay students need not have to pass the Form Six, i.e., the Higher School Certi ficate.

I must point out that I fully support that Malay students must have a fair share in higher education.
But, Sir, there is also the problem of the non-Malay students who find great difficulty in obtaining admission to the University of Malaya and the Univer sity of Singapore.
I the Honourable Acting Minister of Educa tion will not treat these non-Malay students as "step children", for they too have their aspirations and, if the Acting Minister of Education will not help them as he has helped the Malay students, I am afraid, Sir, that there will be frustration and discontentment which may lead to disharmony and further misunderstanding, which will destroy the very basis or foundation to integrate them into one class of citizens under one nation.
trust that I have no doubt, Sir, that the Acting Minister of Education, like all other Ministers of the Alliance Government, is non-communal in his approach, in drawing up the policies and in the the implementation of them.
Since in former Minister of Education has created the Alam Shah Pre-university School for the Malay students, surely the present Acting Minister should not establishing find any difficulty another pre-university school for the students, who do not non-Malay receive their secondary education in the English medium.
Sir, we realise that both the University of Malaya and the University of Singapore have limited facilities and limited enrolment and so they cannot cope with the rapid expanding needs of our nation.

Our nation's wealth, our nation's power to expand industrially and technically and our nation's source of progress are in our human resources.

May I ask this House, what better resource can there be than an intelligent educated society, and what better education can there be than a university education?
I would like to point out to this House that thousands of our students go abroad for higher education simply because our Universities do not have the capacity for them.

Not only do the non-Malay students go abroad, but also Malay students do so, and some even go to Cairo.

May I add, at this juncture, that we still do not have a university like the University of Cairo and a large number of our young men have to proceed to a foreign country to obtain such Islamic academic qualifi cations.
So, I would like to urge the Government to establish and organise a University for Islamic students.

in the near future than Sir, our country must either have it must some more Universities or expand the capacity and facilities of the present ones.

In all countries of the world, other communist countries, there are both Government and private universities.
We in Malay sia must not hesitate to encourage the private sector to establish universities if our Government has not the funds to do so, and the existing private Univer its sity standards conform to the international standards.

should be recognised if Sir, the Government should be highly commended for its foresight in establishing the University of Malaya 4631 15 DECEMBER 1964 4632 It is these appeal their views as regards and its expansion, besides the Univer now sity of Singapore.
Malaysia proudly boast of her two seats of learning, which are second to none in South-East Asia.

Besides two Universities, we have also a third seat learning which was established of through the efforts of educationists and philanthropists—I am referring to the Nanyang University.

indeed unfortunate that this University, which does not have the benefit of the support of the Government, should have been disrupted due to infiltration by frac tional and political elements.
Sir, I would the Honourable to Members in this House not to brand anyone, who speak in support of the Nanyang University as a chauvinist or as a disloyal citizen.
The Honourable Prime Minister and the Minister of Home Affairs, while previously ex pressing the Nanyang University, have stated that as long as they function constitutionally and progress to reorganise in such a way that the administration and the functioning of the University conform to the standard as required by the the Government will Government, reconsider this University.
Sir, it is also my humble opinion that it should be the policy of the Government to encourage more institutions for higher studies.

The Nanyang University had been the sub is ject of regrettable the public should make it appear that the Nanyang University has met with dis approval of the Government because it the caters for only one section of people.
The problem, as I see it, Sir, appears to be that some people feel that the Nanyang University is com munal is insufficiently high enough to receive the attention and blessings of our Govern ment.

It is my opinion that the Govern ment seats of learning and render every assistance to bring them to a standard that we can be proud of.

The Nanyang University is an accomplished fact—it is already in existence.
If this University is not keeping up its standard, or if it falls short of our expectations, then it is up to us to help it to put things right.

It that some section of recognition of support all controversy.

standard should recent that and the its This University was established to meet the educational needs of our country.

Before the establishment of the Nan yang University, Malayan Chinese students—and even some of the Malay students—had no alternative but to to take up Chinese proceed abroad studies.
These people had no choice but to look to foreign Universities for further studies, such as the Taiwan University.

It was felt that this would not be conducive to the moulding of our nation.

Sir, a spokesman of the Ministry of Home Affairs also ex pressed the view in the Straits Times, "Why should our Malayan students proceed to a foreign country to acquire foreign culture; why don't they go to the Nanyang University?"

That was the view of a spokesman of the Minis try of Home Affairs.
Sir, the facts this that have been brought up House have shown that it is really a necessity that Malaya must have a third seat and, if possible, a fourth seat in education in Malaya.

Sir, I would not like to prolong this debate to approve sub-heads 18, 19 and the others under the Head "Education".

However, I wish to point out that it is really a compliment to receive praise from the Member for Batu, who is the leader of the Socialist Front in this House.
His very words of praise have really brought credit to the Alliance Government, and I appreciate him in turn for his courage to voice his party's feelings and I hope he really means this praise of his.

in Mr Chairman, Sir, we in this House must also take heed of the proposal brought by a member of the P.M.I.P.

that the Government must use force on our citizens in order to make them study the national language.
Sir, the world knows that Malaya is a free the country and adheres strictly democratic principles of the free world.

A statement such as this from a mem ber of the P.M.I.P.

really creates great concern.

This is really food for thought for the general public on what would happen if the P.M.I.P.

really came to power.

I really abhor to think of that and it is a real blessing to us and we have got the P.M.I.P.

is not in power, and we must see to it that the P.M.I.P.
must never thank God that to to 4633 15 DECEMBER 1964 4634 come to power in this Malaysia of ours.

Thank you.

in any enlightened Enche' Tan Toh Hong: Mr Chairman Sir, country education is an instrument of progress.

Unfortunately, in this country education has been made a political issue.

It has been exploited by self-seeking career men, Communists and communalists.

As from the Honourable Member Seremban Barat has said, people from the P.A.P.

and the P.M.I.P.
and the P.M.I.P.

have exploited education, twisted facts, used half truths, quarter truths and what ever fraction of truths (Laughter) for their own self-pursuit of political gains.

Mr Chairman, Sir, I do not propose to be caught in their trap.

I shall speak on education and education should be spoken of as a science and as a technical topic.

Mr Chairman, Sir, it is a problem that has to be studied objectively, calmly and scientifically.
I wonder how many of our much publicised speakers on this subject have ever done any subject.

this research on Have various studied they educational principles and theories and made comparison with the various types of institutions of those countries whose as progressive?

important the education regarded is Sir, I gather from modern educa that a country's education tionalists policy should be aimed at two very important objectives.

They are, firstly, how best our younger generation will grow up citizens?
to be useful Secondly, how these youths can be equipped with possible capability to work and live happily in their respective environments, so that they may grow up to be useful to their society, their families and them selves.

the best In the long-term principal the Malaysian context, where plural society does exist, this means aim that should be how to inculcate in our younger generations a spirit of national identity and unity.
At the same time our education should also cater for a more to give our youth skills and ability to get immediate need—the need employment and also to be useful to a developing society.

By this, I mean that they should not turn out to be people of a and special class, discarded divorced by the common people of the community in which they live.

This long-term objective and the short-term need seem to be irreconcil able.

They only seem to be.

In fact they are not, and they need not be.


This has been proved by events here for the last nine years, by history and by civilisation.

Take America, the greatest melting-pot of all kinds of races in the world.

She has shown us the way and the direction, as the Honourable Mem ber from Kota Bharu Hilir has told us the other day.
Hawaii, composed of citizens of Polynesian origins, of Japanese, Chinese, German, French, English, Americans, etc., shows that so long as the educational and cultural process towards national loyalty, unity and identity, it does not really matter what short-term fluctuations are.

In fact, in Hawaii, a Japanese American is as loyal as a Bostonian American, even though this man is likely to be more "Japanese" than the Japanese in Japan.
is moving the In Malaysia, the long-term economic and social forces will act and interact to generate forces of national identity and cohesion—the only prerequisites being understanding and tolerance.

Sir, the critical question on education is: as an instrument of science how best it can equip our younger generation?

My humble observation is that first and foremost our education system should be orientated the level of academic and technical profi ciency.
towards increasing If we want our nation to continue to expand and to grow, then our schools and our colleges must produce more scientists, more professionals, managers, technicians, mechanics, electricians, and skilled workers.

There is no other alter native, because the momentum at which our industries and our economy will grow depends primarily on human skills and techniques.

Equally the essence of education is to develop the power of important, 4635 15 DECEMBER 1964 4636 the mind.
The mind should be a thing that works, that seeks.

It must be culti vated to scan a wide horizon as well as to analyse in depth.

In this connec tion, the more cultures one learns, the more languages, the more sciences, the better it is for our youths in the long run.

Knowledge is both strength and growth.

By all means, encourage the study and use of national language—no one in his proper senses can dispute that.
But please, let us not hear from people like the Honourable Member for Pasir Mas Hulu, "Ban this culture, ban that language, ban the Nanyang University".

What for?

(Laughter).

Sir, in fact, we are lucky that we have here already various kinds of cultures that we have inherited, like the kind of culture of the Honourable P.M.I.P.

Member who is now wearing the European suit and tie.

If he considers himself a nationalist he should take them off now!

{Laughter).
{Laughter).

Mr Chairman: I must remind the Honourable Member to please confine to the relevant subject.

Enche' Tan Toh Hong: I will, Mr Chairman, Sir.

Sir, we have already the various kinds of languages and cultures through the inherited that we have process of evolution, and we can turn these into a more fertile Malaysian cul ture.
To glorify our geographical position as the cross-roads of Asia, and as the centre of South-East Asia, we must develop further and make this country the centre of learning in all the main cultures of Asia.
I would like to envisage the day when Asians and South-East Asians come here to Malaysia to further their studies on their respective languages and cul tures—Asians like the Thais, Japanese, Burmese, Laotians, Vietnamese, Chinese, Filipinos, Indians, even Indo nesians when there is no more confron tation.

Afterall, in London they have the famous vSchool of Oriental and African Studies, which we also contributed some money; the East-West Centre, in California, the schools of Russian and Chinese Studies.
In Japan, in Hawaii, French, English, students are actively encouraged to Russian, study Spanish, Chinese, etc.

Even in Com munist China, the students there are made to study American, English, Russian and so forth.

Sir, I submit that education should be made the instrumentality of brighter future, so that our younger generations will become a fountain of progress and happiness.
On an international context, we must train and educate our youth with the ability to stand up proudly in face of keener and keener competition, between man and man, in this world of nuclear age.

(HONOURABLE MEM BERS: Hear!

hear!).

Sir, in conclusion, may I quote a philosophical reflection of John Stuart Mill: "Great economic and social forces flow like a tide over half-conscious people.
The wise are those who foresee the coming event and seek to shape institutions and mould the thinking of the people in accord ance with the most constructive change.

The unwise are those who add nothing construc the process, either because of tive ignorance on the one hand or ignorant opposition on the other."

their to Enche' Jonathan Bangau anak Renang (Sarawak): Mr Chairman, Sir, I would like to touch on Supply Head S. 20 page 266, Education in the Borneo States.
I fully endorse the views ex pressed by Honourable Members yes terday on the question of free primary education in Sarawak and Sabah.

I would, however, like to add to what Honourable Members have already said in that there has been no provision in the 1965 Estimates for free primary education in Sarawak, and one would have thought that the Central Govern ment would have budgeted at least a token sum so that the expenditure for this purpose can be supplemented at any time.
Mr Chairman, Sir, so many promises on education and development have been made by the responsible Ministers of the former Malayan Government to the people of Sarawak before Malaysia was formed.

Now, I am sorry to say that the majority of the people of Sarawak, especially the Ibans, are dis illusioned, particularly in the field of 4637 15 DECEMBER 1964 4638 education.
I sincerely hope that the Acting Honourable Minister of Educa tion will re-consider the question of free primary education for the people of Sarawak.

lady Member In conclusion, Sir, as I have heard the Honourable from Sarawak, if I understand her correctly, has alleged that the existing system of education is only to benefit the Chinese in Sarawak, I wish to clarify that her allegation is not true.
In our present system of education, the mother tongue is used as a medium of instruction in the primary schools and in the secondary schools the medium of instruction is English.

This applies to all schools in Sarawak which receive Government aid, irrespective of whether they are Chinese schools.

Mission schools or Native schools—it does not favour any one race in that State.

Thank you, Sir.
Thank you, Sir.

Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad (Muar Utara): Tuan Pengerusi, saya meng ambil kesempatan berchakap di-dalam Kementerian ini, chuma saya hendak berchakap dalam muka 263, S. 19, Pechahan Kepala I—Pemberian kapada Sekolah Rendah.
berjalan tidak-lah peruntokan yang Kerajaan Saya nampak bahawa dengan pem ini ada-lah berian yang sa-umpama kita menunjokkan untok sekarang kebudayaan warga membenamkan negara di-dalam negeri ini sa-bagai- mana yang di-sangsikan oleh sa-tengah2 ra'ayat di-dalam hal ini, ia-itu Kera jaan memberi kapada sekolah rendah ini, sama ada Sekolah Melayu, Sekolah Tamil dan Sekolah China, tetapi di-dalam masaalah ini, Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak sentoh sa-telah Kerajaan memberi peruntokan yang sa-macham ini.
Perkara yang saya nampak keterlaluan, saya mengharap- kan kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri Pelajaran ini supaya mengambil per- hatian, sebab keadaan ini saya nampak tidak sesuai dengan sa-buah sekolah yang di-bantu oleh Kerajaan, tetapi guru2, Jema'ah Pengurus Sekolah telah mengadakan satu perhimpunan, ia-itu hendak menjadikan bahasa China itu sa-bagai satu bahasa kebangsaan dalam negeri ini.
tidak sesuai-lah, Jadi, saya nampak, Tuan Pengerusi, kerana memang sekolah ini sekolah yang kita bantu, tetapi guru2 yang kita gajikan itu mengambil satu langkah yang ber- tentangan dengan Perlembagaan kita.

ini akan Perkara yang sa-macham memechahkan perpaduan negeri ini dan menanamkan satu perasaan kapada ra'ayat yang orang2 China yang menjadi warga negara ini, yang di-harap-nya guru dan Jema'ah Pengurus Sekolah itu gulongan cherdek pandai bagi mereka.
kapada bahawa bantuan perpustakaan Lagi satu sebab, Tuan Pengerusi, oleh sebab masa ini ada perhubongan sekolah2 dengan menengah—sekolah menengah yang saya suka hendak sebutkan ini ia-lah Sekolah Menengah Inggeris dan juga Sekolah Menengah China yang bahasa penghantar-nya bahasa Inggeris.

Dalam sekolah menengah ini ada membiayai berhubong dengan Perpustakaan.
Per- pustakaan ini menjadi satu sungutan kapada penuntut2 di-situ dengan meng itu adakan hanya di-muatkan dengan buku2 bahasa Inggeris, buku2 bahasa China—buku2 bahasa Melayu sangat-lah kurang.

Jadi, saya berharap dengan ini supaya dapat di-masa akan datang untok menyem- pumakan kehendak penuntut2 di-situ dengan di-beri buku2 yang di-keluarkan daripada Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka dan buku2 bahasa kebangsaan keluaran daripada Indonesia untok di-masokkan dalam perpustakaan di-sekolah2 me nengah.
satu satu perkembangan hasrat, menjadi kapada penuntut2 itu untok mem- pelajari bahasa kebangsaan.

ada-lah menjadi Ini ini Akhir-nya, Tuan Pengerusi, ber hubong dengan bantuan pada sekolah2 ugama.

Saya sangat ingin hendak ber chakap di-dalam masaalah tadi yang menyebabkan saya berdiri—saya harap Kementerian ini dapat mengkaji sa-mula berhubong dengan bantuan kapada sekolah2 ugama ra'ayat.
sebab usaha ra'ayat dalam negeri ini men- dirikan sekolah2, mendirikan pondok2, mengumpulkan ini, ra'ayat memberikan pelajaran di-dalam dide- kan Islam, saya nampak pada sa'at sekarang, chuma di-beri kapada seko lah2, atau pondok2 yang ada men- jalankan dasar yang di-kehendaki oleh negeri 4639 15 DECEMBER 1964 4640 itu timbangkan Kementerian ini.
Apa yang saya harap- kan, oleh sebab usaha ra'ayat yang memberikan pelajaran kapada ra'ayat negeri ini di-dalam segi ugama, kita minta ugama ini supaya berkembang, malahan pula pelajaran ugama di- pondok2 tidak menyalahi dasar Jabatan Ugama di-tiap2 Negeri.
Kita mesti-lah kena tentang sekolah pelajaran ugama di-pondok2 itu juga kita sayugia beri bantuan kapada mereka, sebab kita nampak, kalau kita hendakkan ugama Islam ini supaya berkembang—sekolah ugama, itu pengajaran hendak-lah di-beri bantuan, sebab itu ra'ayat bila di-buat-nya sekolah kadang2 mereka tidak dapat menyuara- kan segala kepayahan-nya, kemudian bila dia hantar ka-Pejabat Kesihatan, dia kata sekolah ini tidak dapat mem- beri kesihatan kapada penuntut2.
Jadi, ra'ayat tidak dapat hendak menyuara- kan perkara yang itu.

Pada segi pengajaran ugama, saya harap dapat di-pertimbangkan.

di-pondok2 sa-umpama ugama kita pergi kalau ra'ayat negeri Ada satu perkara lagi dalam segi sekolah ugama ra'ayat ini yang sangat di-amalkan oleh ini berhubong dengan mengaji Qur'an.

Mengaji Qur'an ini di-sabuah rumah, Tuan Pengerusi, sampai dua tiga puloh orang murid belajar di-tempat itu.
Ini saya nampak, kalau Qur'an itu kita satu pertandingan Qur'an, jadikan Kerajaan mengeluarkan wang, kerana ujian ini, tetapi sekarang ra'ayat di- kampong2 belajar Qur'an, anak2 di- kampong2, ka- kampong2, Tuan Pengerusi, kalau lepas waktu maghrib, nyaring-lah suara anak2 kita dengan bunyi Qur'an.

Kalau pukul lapan sa-tengah kita nampak-lah obor anak2 kita balek dengan mem- bawa suloh daripada getah, daripada pelepah nyior—api daripada daun nyior untok balek sa-lepas daripada mengaji Qur'an.
Apa yang saya meng- harapkan, kalau boleh Kementerian ini, tambahan pula dia hendak menam- bahkan pegawai di-tempat itu supaya di-ambil tahu di-mana rumah2 yang ada mengaji Qur'an dengan bagitu ramai—guru atau ta' guru itu tolong- lah beri hadiah sadikit.

Ini dari segi perkembangan ugama di-dalam negeri ini.

Sekian-lah, Tuan Pengerusi, terima kaseh.

Sitting suspended at LOO p.m.


Sitting resumed at 4.30 p.m. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) THE SUPPLY BILL, 1965 The House immediately resolved itself into Committee of Supply.

Resumption of debate on Question: That the sum of $320,313,351 for Heads S. 18, S. 19 and S. 20 stand part of the Schedule.
Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Mr Chairman, Sir, I must, first of all, thank the Honourable Members who have contributed objectively to the debate on the Education budget and I can assure them that their views will be given due consideration.

On the other hand, a number of Honourable Members made certain criticisms against the Govern ment's education policy and I feel it my duty to deal with these critics first before going on to deal with the various points expressed throughout the debate.
that have been I shall now first deal with the Honourable Member from Sarawak, Mr Ong Kee Hui.

He again made a plea for the extension of free primary education to the Borneo States.

In this he was supported, quite logically, by from another Honourable Member Sarawak, Mr Jonathan Bangau.

He also seemed the P.A.P.

for the extension of the privilege to the Borneo States.
the support of to have The Honourable Mr Ong, in speech, quoted the course of his the Malaysia Day Speech of the Yang di- Pertuan Agong in which, according to it was the Honourable Member, announced that free primary education would be extended the Borneo States.

For the benefit of this House, and with your permission, Sir, I would like to quote the relevant part of the Royal Address which was quoted by the Honourable Member.
I quote— to "You all know that our Government will be implementing a new system of education, known as the Comprehensive School System, to take effect from next year.
Under this 4641 15 DECEMBER 1964 4642 system all children will have the opportunity to study for a period of nine years and during this period, their individual aptitudes and abilities will be properly assessed and developed with the special aim of enabling every one of our future citizens to be able to play his or her proper and rightful role in the economic and social spheres of our country."
At this juncture, I would like to explain that His Majesty was then addressing the whole nation including the people in Singapore who, as we all know, on Malaysia Day retained autonomy in education.

The S.U.P.P., to which Party the Honourable Mr Ong belongs, chose to capitalise on this speech and at a the Council Negeri of meeting of Sarawak on 1st October, 1964, the Honourable Mr Stephen Yong, also of the S.U.P.P., moved following motion, i.e.
the "That this House records its appreciation of His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong's Malaysia Day Message announcing the introduction of the Comprehensive School System which will give free education to all children for nine years throughout Malaysia as from 1965 and urges the Federal Govern ment to implement the same in accordance with Inter- Government Agreement on the formation of Malaysia."
terms embodied the the in the motion was debated, When the Sarawak State Government gave the following the Honourable to Member.

I quote— reply consultation "The policy mentioned in His Majesty's Speech was national policy.
Under the existing Constitutional arrangements even though education is a Federal subject, it is well known that Singapore is autonomous in education whilst in the case of Sabah and there would be Federal State Sarawak Government agreement before there could be changes to the existing State policy and system of education.
The Central Government had the intention of doing this in the near future and once this consultation has been finalised and agreement reached then it should be possible to imple ment the national education programme to cover the Borneo States when the question of the Comprehensive School System would, inter alia, be considered."
and Sir, it would be seen from this therefore that for the Honourable Mr Ong and his supporters to accuse the Central Government of lack of understanding and sympathy and feeling for the people of the Borneo States has no basis whatsoever.

The Honourable Mr Ong, supported by the P.A.P., mentioned the fact that the annual cost of the exten free primary education sion of to Sarawak would only be around $3 million.
Sir, $3 million is a very small sum compared with over $300 million for which I am asking this House right now.

But I should like to make it clear once and for all that the decision to postpone the introduction of free primary education in Sarawak is not a question of dollars and cents.

It is a question of principle.


If Sarawak, or for this matter Sabah, wishes to enjoy a Federal educational privilege, then she must be ready to reconsider the present Inter-Government Committee's provision and conform to the national educational policy.

When I say that Sarawak must conform to the national educational policy, I do not mean that the medium of instruction in all the schools in Sarawak must overnight be changed to the National Language.
In my reply to the Adjournment speech made by the Honourable Mr Edwin anak Tangkun I made it very clear that Malay as a main medium of instruc tion is only one of the many aspects of the national educational policy.

For anyone to suggest that the medium of instruction is the main issue is entirely wrong and misleading.
If I remember correctly, when the former colonial Government in Sarawak proposed the introduction of the pre sent svstem of education in Sarawak in 1961/ the S.U.P.P., of which the Honourable Mr Ong was and is still the Chairman, opposed this system on the ground that it was not national in out look and was intended to destroy Chi nese culture- In other words, it was therefore in character and colonial could not be supported by the S.U.P.P.
It would appear from the Honourable Mr Ong's speech as well as from the speeches of the Honourable Members of they would like this colonial system of education to be perpetuated the State of Sarawak and, to make matters worse, they are suggesting that the Central Government should be a party to this by contributing funds from the Federal Treasury for the perpetuation of this colonial system of education.

the P.A.P.
the P.A.P.

that in Sir, we are now one nation, and we would like to see our children educated 4643 15 DECEMBER 1964 4644 to that once this House under a system that will ensure their future as Malaysians in this country.

For this reason, the Federal Government has proposed that talks be held as soon as possible between the Federal Govern ment and the State Government of Sarawak in order to resolve this issue.

No amount of talks in the newspapers, or no amount of gossiping can do any good to any party.
However, I can give a categorical assurance both to my Honourable friends from Sarawak and also this question is resolved, we shall do every thing we can to help not only in the extension of primary education in Sarawak but also in the extension of the comprehensive education in Sara wak.

It is my intention to go over to Sarawak at the earliest convenient time in order to thrash out the whole matter the Sarawak Government.
The with welfare and happiness of the people of Sarawak is not only the concern of the P.A.P.

but also ours.

The only diffe rence is that we are sincere and we have no political axe to grind.

My next advice to the P.A.P.

is to stop shedding crocodile tears for the people of Sabah and Sarawak.

(Applause).

Sir, a lot of discussions took place on the question of comprehensive educa tion.

It has been alleged by the Honour able Member of the P.A.P.
from Singa pore that comprehensive education has been introduced without proper thought and planning and that this comprehen sive education is not something new and what is worse is that this compre hensive education that we are giving to is an the children of election stunt.

this country that Sir, in the past the P.A.P.

used to boast efficient theirs was an Government and capable of doing things in a lightning flash way.
Sir, now we are trying to do something quick, something worthwhile, something that we believe the children of this country but.

instead of petting bouquets, we get bombardments from them.

the good of in for Sir, in my opening speech, I never for once made any claim this comprehensive education that we are giving to the children of this country is something new.

It has been practised in that the this by giving that will best meet it many countries for decades, but I say it is new to Malaysia.
It is a programme that will really give equal opportunity to all our children—giving them the opportunity to develop to the fullest degree their potentialities and then to type of develop these education requirements.

For Malaysia, is a total reorganisation of our secondary education, away from the system that we had inherited from the colonial past.

For these reasons, it is new, and I would say it is historical to us; and we mean to do our best to make this a success.
As I said in my opening speech, we expect to come across a lot of difficulties and also some teething troubles, but let us not be deterred by these.

Comprehensive education has worked out well in so many other countries, and there is no reason what soever why in Malaysia we could not make this a success.

the children of Sir, the Honourable Member from the P.A.P.

also belittled the free educa tion that the Alliance Government has been giving to this country.
They say that they have started this years ago, I think it is quite illogical for anyone to compare a little island with a peninsula with over seven million people.

(Applause).

It is just like comparing our country with India, which is a sub-continent.
So, what Singapore can do, we have tried to do, and the Honourable Member himself should be to appreciate the difficulties that we here have got to face, the amount of forests that we have got to wade through, the amount of difficulties in meeting the people and in persuading the people, the mentality of this compared with more country as type in Singapore, and sophisticated all to these contend with in trying to make certain educational reforms in this country.
in a better position that we have the people troubles in Sir, then the Honourable Member also talked about higher education in the Chinese medium.

This is not something new.

The Honourable Member from Seremban Barat has very ably replied to this, and I do not intend to go over it once again.

The P.A.P.

tried this tactic in 4645 15 DECEMBER 1964 4646 their deposits.

the last General Elections and as a re sult of this, a number of their candidates (Laughter).
My lost advice I say to my friends—when "friends", I mean them—in the P.A.P.

is to stop this communal politics as it is just like playing with fire and it does not pay in the long run.

On the subject of Nanyang Univer sity, my Honourable friend from Teluk Anson and also my Honourable friend replied from Seremban Barat have quite at length, and I do not propose to repeat it again.
Then I go on next to the Honourable Mr Ong Pang Boon from Singapore too who said that our system as proposed is inadequate and wasteful as compared to Singapore's.

The same reasoning goes as I said just now: it is not fair to com pare a closely-knit territory such as Singapore with the extensiveness of the area as in our country here in the Malay Peninsula.

Then the Honourable Member also touched on the question of the provision for increase in teacher training.
I would say that it is true that we have not made any provision for increase in teacher training, but, for a beginning, what we are trying to do is to make use of experienced teachers to be part-time, week-end and also vaca tion courses the information of this House, we have already started these courses.

It is still going on here in Kuala Lumpur.


lecturers; and for The Honourable Mr Ong Pang Boon also said that we have not yet built schools to provide the facilities for the starting of comprehensive education.

For his information, I would say that the schools are now being built and they should be ready very soon, but in the meantime, as stated in my opening speech, there might be certain difficul ties and inconveniences caused to the students.

But these inconveniences will be short-lived.


We hope we will be able to solve this teething trouble within the next one or two months.

He also stated that we have not finalised the syllabuses for the comprehensive education.

For his information, the syllabuses have been finalised and if the Honourable Member is interested, I can show him a copy of the syllabuses.
this The same Honourable Member also referred to the Comprehensive educa tion system as merely delaying selec tion to after the ninth year and stated there will be that because of wastage.

He further commented that there is no provision to provide educa tion beyond this point.

For the infor mation of the Honourable Member, 1965 will be the first year of implemen tation and this will be completed by the end of 1967.
In January, 1968 there will be schools—upper secondary vocational and academic—to provide for education for the livelihood of our children.

Financial provision for this will be set aside at the appropriate time and there will be sufficient time to plan for this.

In terms of percentage, 100% of all those joining Standard I will have a chance to go to Form III.

After the Comprehensive lower secondary educa tion, 25% to 30% will go to academic and the others will have a chance to go for vocational training.
starts system Now I go to the Honourable Member from Batu—since he is here.

He wants an assurance that all Standard VI pupils will be given a chance to go to Form I. I can assure that the Ministry will provide Form I places to all Standard VI pupils when the Compre hensive education in January next year.

The facilities, as I said just now, might in some cases be a little inconvenient to' the pupils, but this will only be temporary and I hope with the co-operation of the parents this will be soon overcome.
He also touched on the question of teaching Tamil and Chinese in the national-type schools.

I am told that the Ministry is in the course of tightening up and streamlining the procedure so as to make the implementation of this policy more effective.

the Minister Dr Tan Chee Khoon: On a point of clarification, do I have an assurance from that every child whose parents wish the child to learn his mother tongue, as I quoted this morning, will be given a chance to do so?
Do I have a definite assurance from the Acting Minister on that?

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: I have already stated that the Ministry will be tightening up the machinery 4647 15 DECEMBER 1964 4648 into and everything possible will be done to provide facilities for the teaching of these languages to the students where required.

Then the Honourable Mem ber also touched on the question of admission the Department of Chinese Studies in the University of Malaya.
He says it has been closed to Chinese students who receive education in Chinese only at the primary level.

The fact language that the Chinese and literature is a medium only at the primary level and is a subject in the secondary and sixth form levels does not prevent students from joining the Department of Chinese Studies in the University of Malaya.

The Honourable the Member himself admission requirement into the Depart ment is a Higher School Certificate with Chinese at principal level as a "must".
Such a Higher School Certifi cate could be taken by all Chinese students under our national secondary school system, which has only two media of instruction but with sufficient periods set aside for the learning of Chinese.

is aware that Dr Tan Chee Khoon: On a point of clarification, if I understand the Minis ter correctly, then instruction in Chi nese language and Chinese literature is also provided for at Form VI level— Lower VI and Upper VI.

Is that the statement made by the Minister?


Is that this the condition prevailing at moment?

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Well, provision the teaching of Chinese at higher levels than the School Certificate level.

is made also for Dr Tan Chee Khoon: My informa tion is that it is not—that is why I am asking the Minister.

I Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: think the Honourable Member's infor mation must be wrong.

Then the Honourable Member for Batu also talked on the proposed University College in Penang.
He asked why has the University authorities been not consulted on the proposal for establishing a University College at Penang is still in the planning stage.

No firm proposals have yet been this matter.

Now, received from the Penang State Govern ment.

These proposals, when received, will be considered by the Ministry in conjunction with the Higher Education Planning Committee.

Only when it is decided what the status of this College will be will the University authorities be consulted.
On the question of the hunger strike just right in front of the Ministry of Education, I issued a statement on this matter and I do not wish to repeat that statement in the House on the whole is being done to persuade this man to try to eat something.

(Laughter).

issue; and also something from Sarawak, Now, I go on to another Honourable Member Enche' Jonathan Bangau.

I do not propose to repeat what I have already said in reply to the Honourable Member from Sarawak, Enche' Ong Kee Hui.
in I can assure far as possible The Honourable Member for Seremban Barat brought up the question of the time for the teaching of Chinese language the secondary schools, particularly in the proposed compre hensive schools.

the Honourable Member that I will look into this matter and everything possible will be done in order to accommodate as the wishes as expressed by the Honourable Member.
In this connection, I would also like to refer to an assurance which was sought by the Honourable Member that in implementing this comprehen sive education the policy will not be changed in regard to the teaching of the Chinese and Tamil languages in the as indicated by my predecessor when he introduced the Education Act recently.

The introduc tion of the comprehensive education affects only the programme changes and not policy changes.
Amongst the policy, as you all know, is that of pre serving and sustaining the languages and cultures of the other peoples other than the Malays.

This the Government will adhere, and sufficient teaching time will be set aside for the instruction of Chinese and Tamil languages accor dingly.

the amendment comprehensive education, to 4649 15 DECEMBER 1964 4650 The Honourable Member for Penang Utara brought up the question of higher educational facilities in this country.

He says that they are inadequate.


I, myself, personally admit that they are inadequate and everything possible should be done to provide more facili ties for higher education in this country, and it is for this reason that the Govern ment thought it necessary to set up a Higher Planning Committee with the Minister of Education as the Chairman and with several other Ministers as members, in order to plan as a long- term measure what sort of higher education we should have for this country.
I think Honourable Members will agree with me that in the planning of higher education in this country, we should be careful to see that everything that in is done should be national character and also should be of an acceptable standard.

We cannot afford to be lenient in our policy towards the establishment of private institutions which are of sub-standard types.

academic The Honourable Member for Tan- jong Malim brought up the question of teacher training.
I can give him an assurance that care is always taken in selecting proper persons to be trained as teachers.

Normally on the Selection Board, for the purpose of interviewing teachers, we have unofficials who sit along with officials to interview the applicants.
is like Now, with regard to another question brought up by the Honourable Member for Penang Utara, I would to inform him that the ultimate objective, as laid down in the Razak Report on our national education policy, as we all know, is to have a system in which the National the main language medium of instruction as recommended in paragraph 12 of the Razak Report and as further enunciated in the pre amble to the Education Act of 1961.
Now, this policy, regard will be given to the wishes of intention of the parents and preserving and sustaining the languages and cultures of the major sections of our population, namely, the Chinese and the Indians, consonant with the primary objective just mentioned by me.

implementing their in That, in short, is for the policy adopted by the Government now and it is not the intention of the Government to depart from this Policy.
saya Sekarang suka mengambil peluang bagi menjawab beberapa hujah telah di-sebutkan oleh Ahli2 yang Yang Berhormat yang lain, dengan ringkas-nya terutama sa-kali saya suka menjawab Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Kuala Lipis yang telah menyebutkan berkenaan dengan University Malaya— ada juga Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang lain pula telah menyebutkan soal itu.
Saya suka memberi pengakuan bahawa Kementerian ini sedang berusaha bagi menjadikan universiti kita itu bi lingual dengan sa-berapa chepat yang boleh dan untok pengetahuan Ahli2 Yang Berhormat juga bahawa jawatan Vice-Chancellor yang ada sekarang ini akan tamat dalam pertengahan tahun yang akan datang, dan kita berharap akan dapat di-isikan tempat itu dengan sa-orang anak tempatan dan pada masa itu, saya perchaya segala ran- changan kita bagi menjayakan apa yang di-sebutkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu dapat di-jalankan dengan lebeh tegas lagi.
akan pelawat Ahli Yang Berhormat itu juga telah menyebutkan berkenaan dengan guru pelawat.

Sa-bagaimana kita ma'alum, mengikut shor Jawatan-kuasa Penye- mak Pelajaran Tahun 1960 jawatan guru2 di-hapuskan memandang kapada keadaan2 tempat.
Ini akan di-buat dan pegawai2 yang menjadi guru2 pelawat sekarang ini akan di-masokkan ka-dalam perkhid- matan, sama ada di-dalam perkhid- matan2 Kerajaan, atau pun jawatan2 di-sekolah di-mana mereka itu akan di-beri tugas2 yang baharu mengikut keadaan yang ada di-tempat itu.

pelawat2 Ahli Yang Berhormat itu juga telah menyebutkan berkenaan dengan Seko lah Ugama Ra'ayat, kata-nya patut-lah kita mengadakan rahsia supaya terelak daripada perkara siasah masok ka-dalam sekolah2 ugama.
Ini saya suka memberitahu kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat bahawa memang ada satu sharat, ia-itu apabila kita memberi bantuan kapada Sekolah2 Ugama, jika 4651 15 DECEMBER 1964 4652 sa-kira-nya di-dapati ada perkara2 poli- tik berlaku di-Sekolah Ugama itu, maka pehak Kementerian berhak menarek balek bantuan yang di-beri kapada sekolah tersebut.

itu menjalankan Saya suka menjawab Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pontian Selatan, dan juga Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Singapura sa-kali.
Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pontian Selatan telah menyebutkan bahawa beliau telah mengkeritik bebe- rapa orang pegawai di-dalam Kemen terian dan dia mengatakan bahawa sa-tengah2 mereka dasar Kerajaan dengan tidak betul.

Maka dengan sebab itu, ranchangan Sekolah Pelajaran Lanjutan telah gagal.

Saya suka memberitahu kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat itu bahawa kegagalan Sekolah Pelajaran Lanjutan bukan-lah di-sebabkan oleh salah perlaksanaan- nya, tetapi ranchangan ini tidak men- dapat sambutan daripada ibu bapa.
Daripada 117,000 kanak2 yang di-beri peluang masok ka-sekolah itu pada tahun 1962 hanya 21,000 kanak2 sahaja yang telah menerima tawaran itu.

Pada tahun 1963 pula daripada 104,000 yang di-tawarkan, hanya 14,000 sahaja yang telah menerima.

Ibu bapa memandang rendah kapada Sekolah Pelajaran Lan jutan ini bagi anak2-nya, dengan sebab ada di-antara kanak2 yang belajar di- situ yang tidak lulus di-dalam peperek- saan masok ka-sekolah menengah.
Ranchangan yang demikian rupa itu ia-lah hasil daripada shor Jawatan- kuasa Penyemak Pelajaran 1960 yang terdiri daripada Ahli2 Parlimen.

Dari pada mula ranchangan itu, saperti mana yang kita ketahui', ada-lah di-tolak oleh orang ramai.

ingatan, 'adil bagi mana2 Perkara yang lain2 yang telah di- sebutkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu, saya ambil tetapi satu perkara yang saya sebutkan di-sini, juga Ahli tidak Parlimen menudoh, meletakkan satu kesalahan itu ka-atas mana2 pegawai.
Kerana sa-bagai Menteri maka Kera jaan, pada umum-nya, bertanggong- jawab di-atas apa juga yang di-buat oleh pegawai2 Kerajaan.

Jika di-dapati ada kesalahan di-mana pehak, di- mana2 pehak pegawai Kerajaan ber laku tidak 'adil di-dalam mereka itu menjalankan kerja, saya pinta Ahli2 Yang Berhormat membawa perkara ini kapada perhatian saya sendiri, kalau saya dudok dalam Kementerian ini atau kapada Menteri yang berkenaan supaya dapat di-ambil tindakan yang tegas ter- hadap pegawai yang berkenaan.
Kemudian saya suka menjawab ka pada Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Seberang Utara.

la telah mengeshor- kan juga supaya kita meneruskan pepereksaan darjah enam untok men- jadikan satu panduan bagi pilehan untok pelajaran akademik di-dalma Sekolah2 Menengah.

Pepereksaan demi kian tidak dapat di-teruskan kerana ini akan bertentangan dengan asas pela jaran Aneka Jurusan yang bertujuan 'am yang untok memberi pelajaran boleh membentok bakat dan ke- bolehan murid2 itu.
Pemilehan kapada akademik dan bukan akademik hanya pelajaran Aneka ia-lah Jurusan.

Jadi-nya memileh murid2 sa- chara pepereksaan berakademik sa- bagaimana yang di-shorkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu akan bertentangan dengan tujuan pelajaran Aneka Juru san yang di-sokong oleh kebanyakan daripada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat sakalian.

sa-sudah Kemudian berkenaan dengan pela tulisan Jawi.
Maka pelajaran jaran untok tulisan Jawi hari ini ada-lah di- usahakan dan saya boleh memberi pengakuan kapada Yang Berhormat itu, usaha bagi mengembangkan tulisan Jawi itu akan di-jalankan dari satu masa ka-satu masa.

Kemudian Ahli Yang Berhormat itu juga bertanya ada-kah remove class atau pun kelas peralehan, darjah peralehan, itu akan di-laksanakan sa- lepas kita adakan perlaksanaan Aneka Jurusan ini.
Ini akan di-teruskan ke rana apabila kanak2 itu keluar daripada Sekolah Rendah, menukarkan bahasa terpaksa-lah penghantar-nya, maka kita mengadakan darjah latehan untok memberi kesempatan bagi kanak2 itu belajar bahasa yang akan menjadi bahasa penghantar di-dalam Sekolah Aneka Jurusan itu.

Kemudian saya suka pada 'am-nya menjawab pada sa-takat ini berkenaan dengan buku2 teks.

Ada banyak Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang telah berchakap atas perkara ini.
Saya suka memberi 4653 15 DECEMBER 1964 4654 tahu kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat bahawa pehak Kementerian dalam bulan September yang lalu telah pun menghantarkan surat keliling kapada semua Ketua Pelajaran Negeri2 untok mengambil tindakan dalam soal buku teks ini dan perkara ini sedang pun di-jalankan.

Kemudian ada juga keretik ber- kenaan dengan kelambatan buku2 itu sampai.

Kadang2 mengikut Ahli dari- pada Pontian Selatan sampai bulan sa- belas baharu sampai buku itu.
Yang sa-benar-nya buku2 ini kelambatan-nya bukan dengan sebab daripada Kemen terian Pelajaran.

Jadi kita sudah ada arrangement dengan pehak Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka apabila sedia sahaja buku, di-hantar kapada sekolah.

Jadi kadang2 buku baharu siap dalam bulan enam, bulan enam juga di-hantar ka-sekolah.

Kalau siap dalam bulan sepuloh, bulan sepuloh di-hantar.
Jadi ini satu perkara yang tidak boleh di- elakkan kerana ini pekerjaan yang di- buat oleh Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka, tetapi perkara ini kita akan kemaskan lagi supaya segala kemushkilan yang di-sebutkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu dapat kita atasi pada masa yang akan datang.

Kemudian Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Pontian Selatan telah me- nyebut berkenaan dengan pelajaran2 dan Sekolah2 Ugama, terutama sa-kali Sekolah2 Ugama Ra'ayat.

Kata-nya di- mana banyak berlaku kekechewaan di-kalangan anak2 kita.
Saya menyo- kong di-atas hal ini kerana saya sendiri ada-lah daripada dahulu pun sampai sekarang, sunggoh pun saya tukar Kementerian, memang saya sunggoh2 berasa mushkil kerana keadaan ini lagi.

Sa-benar-nya maseh berjalan pehak Kementerian tidak ada kuasa penoh dalam hal Sekolah2 Ugama tidak Ra'ayat.
Jika sa-kira-nya kita mendapat kerjasama yang penoh dari pada Kerajaan Negeri, tidak munkin yang kita dapat menjalankan per- ubahan2 bagitu jitu, bagitu giat, di- lagi keadaan dalam soal membaiki Sekolah2 Ugama.

Memang saya tahu beribu2 kanak2 kita yang dudok dalam Sekolah tahu di-mana hendak pergi apabila mereka ini tamat latehan.
Jadi bagi pehak diri saya, saya bagi tidak pengakuan bahawa perkara ini akan mendapat timbangan yang berat dari pada pehak Kementerian dan kita akan chuba dengan sa-berapa daya upaya yang boleh untok mendapatkan kerja sama daripada Kerajaan2 Negeri untok membaiki keadaan Sekolah Ugama ini.

Kemudian Ahli Yang Berhormat Che' Ajibah, daripada Sarawak, telah meminta pehak Kementerian menem- patkan pegawai2 daripada Kemen terian2, Pegawai2 Pelajaran daripada Kementerian, pergi ka-Sarawak.
Sa- berapa boleh juga kita chuba-lah, tinggal lagi saya sendiri tidak boleh meletakkan sa-orang pegawai pun di- negeri Sarawak melainkan dalam pegawai itu di-pinta oleh Kerajaan Sarawak.

Jadi sunggoh pun pelajaran itu menjadi satu Federal subject, tetapi mengikut keadaan perjanjian yang di- tidak boleh buat buat dahulu, kita bagitu.

Jadi kalau Sarawak meminta baharu boleh, kalau tidak, hantar juga, di-hantar balek, malu sahaja perkara ini.
Kemudian Yang Berhormat daripada Kuala Trengganu Utara telah meminta supaya pensharah2 daripada Jabatan Islamic Study dalam Universiti kita yang sa-patut-nya mengikut National, apa pun tidak tahu, yang sa-benar-nya kita chuba-lah hendak dapat macham itu, kadang2 tidak boleh dapat.

Kalau boleh dapat memang-lah Lembaga Pemilehan itu akan memberi ke- utamaan kapada chalun2 yang mem- punyai kelayakan yang sa-umpama itu.
tidak balek dengan lebeh sesuai Kemudian Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Pasir Mas Ulu telah mengata- kan bahawa buku2 tawarikh ada yang isi-nya segi sesuai national.

Perkara ini sedang di-usaha- kan dan apabila kita dapat mengada- kan buku2 yang lagi, maka buku2 yang sa-macham itu akan sekolah2.

di-tarek Kemudian dia mengeshorkan lagi sa- kali berkenaan dengan bahasa kebang- saan.
Dia telah mengeshorkan patut kita mengadakan Undang2 bagi memaksa orang menggunakan bahasa kebangsaan sa-kali dalam masa Bulan Bahasa.

Jadi saya tidak tahu-lah kalau tidak tentu, kalau ada Undang2 pun dia tidak mahu pakai, boleh buat macham mana.

Macham terutama daripada 4655 15 DECEMBER 1964 4656 ini ada Undang2, sekarang pun Undang2 Khalwat, tetapi orang hendak khalwat juga.

(Ketawa).

Jangan kata orang biasa, orang2 PAS pun khalwat Itu Undang2 Tuhan juga.

(Ketawa).
(Ketawa).

pun ada, Undang2 kita di-sini pun ada, itu pun di-buat kerja itu juga (Ketawa).

Jadi jangan Ahli Yang Berhormat itu ingat kita sudah buat Undang2 itu tentu berjaya.

Jalan yang baik sa-kali ia-lah ini, jalan kita buat sekarang dengan kita adakan Bulan Bahasa, ia- jalan psychology.

Yang macham itu itu lebeh baik lagi daripada kita guna- kan Undang2.

Ini Undang2, lepas itu kita hendak gunakan kuasa military pula.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tadi tuan Menteri ada ber- kata khalwat di-antara PAS.

Boleh-kah saya bertanya ada-kah khalwat dalam anggota UMNO?

(Ketawa).

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Mungkin ada, tetapi belum kena tang- kap lagi.

(Ketawa).

Yang Berhormat itu juga, kalau saya tidak salah, telah menchadangkan ber- kenaan dengan buku2 Dewan Bahasa ia-itu Dewan Bahasa patut mengadakan ejen untok menjual buku2 ini.
Dalam waktu kita membahathkan Anggaran Perbelanjaan Kementerian Pertanian dan Sharikat Bekerjasama banyak Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, terutama sa- kali daripada telah bangun mesti kita chari jalan untok menghapuskan orang-tengah.

Sekarang ini Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada PAS chadangkan kita patut adakan orang-tengah (Ketawa).
bangku PAS Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Mianji: Saya maksudkan bukan beri kapada orang-tengah, saya maksudkan beri kapada penjual2 buku yang ada di-bandar Kuala Lumpur ini; beri dia peluang supaya dia boleh hidup.

Enche' Mohamd Khir Johari: Dalam ekonomi itu di-panggil orang- tengah-lah (Ketawa).

Jadi, sekarang ini Dewan Bahasa buat terus.


Apa ke- untongan daripada yang di-dapati penjualan buku itu di-dapati balek kapada Kerajaan dan kita belanjakan wang itu untok kebaikan bagi mem- bangunkan Bahasa Kebangsaan.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah (Kelantan Hilir): Ada-lah di-maksud- ia-lah orang yang kan orang-tengah menghisap darah yang mana ada di- kampong ada-lah harga .

.

.. Mr Chairman: Hendak bertanya- kah?

(Ketawa).

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Untok penjelasan.


Ada pun ejen2 buku apabila di-lantek oleh Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka harga-nya tetap dan tidak ada tipu daya di-situ.

Kita bangkitkan soal orang-tengah (middlemen) di- kampong2 ada yang menipu dan harga- nya tidak tetap, orang-tengah mengikut hawa nafsu membeli benda itu dan mengikut timbangan-nya, maka dari segi ini PAS menchadangkan supaya middlemen itu di-hapuskan.

Enche9 Mohamed Khir bin Johari: Saya kata middleman itu tidak kira apa bangsa.
Pada asas-nya kita sa- boleh2-nya memang tidak mahu ada middleman walau apa bangsa sa-kali pun.

Kalau kita boleh buat sendiri, kita jalankan sendiri saperti mana yang di- buat oleh Dewan Bahasa, dan saya suka memberitahu Ahli Yang Ber hormat itu ia-itu saya tidak berchadang hendak menukar polisi itu (Tepok).

Berkenaan dengan Malaysia Hall, London, ada juga Ahli Yang Berhormat itu menyebutkan berkenaan dengan masakan2 dan sa-bagai-nya.
Perkara itu saya akan siasat dan apa tindakan yang sa-patut-nya akan di-ambil untok mengatasi perkara ini.

Bagitu juga Yang Berhormat dari Seberang Utara telah menyebutkan berkenaan dengan tidak chukup tem- pat di-Dewan Malaysia, London, dan patut di-besarkan.

Perkara ini akan di- timbangkan juga oleh pehak Kerajaan.
Saya suka menguchapkan banyak terima kaseh kapada Yang Berhormat telah dari Kota Star Selatan yang mengshorkan berkenaan dengan la- tehan doktor, kata-nya, patut-lah kita menengok balek kapada chara2 kita melateh doktor pada 1906 dahulu.

Saya memberi pengakuan ka pada Ahli Yang Berhormat itu bahawa shor-nya itu akan di-sampaikan kapada Jawatan-kuasa Pelajaran Tinggi untok mendapatkan timbangan.
tahun 4657 15 DECEMBER 1964 4658 Yang Berhormat dari Pasir Mas telah menyebutkan berkenaan Hilir dengan Form (VI) bahagian sains di- negeri Kelantan kata-nya dia telah menyuarakan ketiadaan langsong Ke- menterian bagi mengadakan pelajaran sains peringkat Form (VI) di-Kelantan dan juga beliau telah mengemukakan beberapa chadangan patut di-timbang- kan oleh pehak Kementerian.

Saya suka memberi pengakuan bahawa shor- nya itu akan di-timbangkan.

ini Berkenaan dengan pepereksaan.


Ada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang telah menyebut berkenaan dengan kertas pepereksaan.

Ada yang mengatakan kita patut-lah tidak ada lagi mengguna- kan nama dalam kertas2 pepereksaan.

Perkara yang sa-macham tidak dapat di-lakukan kerana mengikut Perjanjian kita dengan pehak Cam itu akan di- bridge, maka perkara teruskan sa-hingga pada satu masa yang akan datang kelak.
Ahli Yang Berhormat itu juga telah menyebutkan berkenaan dengan berlaku kejadian tidak di-ingini apabila sampai yang masa pepereksaan, tetapi Yang Ber hormat dari Lipis telah menjawab hal terjadi ini, kata-nya sa-kali sahaja bukan-lah selalu.

Jadi, saya terima kaseh-lah kapada Yang Berhormat dari Lipis yang telah menjawab atas perkara itu.

Saya ingat lain perkara yang di-sebutkan oleh Ahli Yang Ber hormat itu berkenaan dengan biasiswa lagi untok patut di-adakan banyak anak2 Melayu supaya dapat peluang.
Itu saya akan ambil ingatan dan sa- berapa daya yang boleh akan di- jalankan.

Sa-perkara lagi perkara yang saya hendak menjawab ia-lah kapada Yang Berhormat dari Perlis Selatan yang telah menchadangkan supaya kita mengadakan maktab arts atau crafts dan juga maktab fine arts.
Jadi saya suka memberitahu kapada-nya bahawa chadangan mengadakan school of fine arts sedang di-timbangkan oleh pehak Kerajaan dan apabila sudah dapat keputusan nanti pehak Kementerian akan mengeshorkan berapa banyak wang yang patut di-untokkan bagi membena sekolah ini.
Ahli Yang Berhormat itu juga telah menyebutkan satu perkara ia-itu telah antara orang China berlaku di-Australia semenjak berlaku orang Melayu pergadohan di-Singapura dengan sudah berlaku faham antara salah penuntut2 di-Australia ia-itu penuntut2 Melayu dengan penuntut2 yang bukan Melayu.

Perkara itu saya dukachita mendengar-nya dan saya akan selideki atas hal itu dan apa2 juga tindakan yang sesuai akan di-ambil.
Berkenaan dengan chadangan-nya supaya di-ada kan guru ugama di-Malaysia Hall, London, itu akan di-timbangkan.

Yang Berhormat dari Jelebu-Jempol telah menchadangkan supaya mana2 penuntut yang sudah dapat biasiswa Kerajaan sa-kira-nya dia hendak lepas daripada Agreement yang sudah di- tandatangan dengan Kerajaan patut-lah kita chari supaya menyekat mereka itu lari daripada jawatan-nya dengan kita mengadakan denda yang berlipatganda supaya mereka itu tidak dapat keluar daripada itu.
Perkara itu akan di-ambil ingatan dan sa-tengah-nya pun sudah di-jalankan.

jawatan jalan Ahkir-nya sa-kali, saya suka hendak menjawab pandangan Yang Berhormat dari Bachok, kerana dalam semua sa- kali Ahli2 Yang Berhormat dia-lah yang tidak bersetuju sangat kapada dasar comprehensive education atau aneka dia-lah jurusan—nampak-nya sa-orang yang kuat benar tidak ber setuju.

Saya suka-lah menjawab khas kapada-nya.

Yang Berhormat itu mengatakan sistem aneka jurusan ini ia-lah sistem kominis.
Saya suka mem beritahu kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat itu sistem ini bukan sahaja di-jalankan oleh negeri2 kominis tetapi juga oleh beberapa buah negeri yang democratic.

Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Saya tidak berkata bahawa comprehensive education ini hak kominis, tetapi saya berkata berasal daripada kominis, sampai kapada Amerika dan di-buat oleh Britain, oleh Kerajaan Buroh, tetapi masa Kerajaan Buroh itu dia failed (kechewa).
Jadi, sebab itu saya memberi pandangan supaya kita jangan kechewa sa-bagaimana kechewa-nya Kerajaan Buroh itu.

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Kerajaan Buroh ini Kerajaan lain, ini Kerajaan Perikatan (Ketawa).

Ini saya 4659 15 DECEMBER 1964 4660 tidak pun, kita kata kalau Kerajaan Kominis buat ini langsong sa-kali teragak2 kita hendak tiru, apa yang baik dari negeri kominis kita tiru dari- pada negeri kominis, apa yang tidak baik kita tinggalkan.

Jadi kita tidak boleh fanatic kapada mana2 negeri.


Kita bukan fanatic kapada England— U.K. buat ini kita patut turut U.K. Kita pileh mana yang baik kita ambil yang baik, mana yang jahat kita buang ka-tepi.

Itu-lah dasar yang di-jalankan oleh Kerajaan Perikatan.

Lagi satu kata-nya, dasar yang kita jalankan—dasar aneka jurusan ini akan membawa kapada feudalism.
Saya kata kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat itu, saya nasehatkan betul2 dengan ikhlas kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat, kalau sa-benar- nya dia itu anti sangat kapada feudal tolong nasehatkan- saya nasehatkan, lah pondok2 ugama yang ada di- Kelantan ia-itu yang menyokong PAS.

Saya kata, bagi nasehat mereka itu chuba ubahkan—tukarkan pondok itu sa-benar2-nya menjadi dinamik memberi kapada anak2 kita.

Jangan kita bawa macham ini; dia larat kata feudalism.
Ini satu chara yang sa-benar2 progres sive, yang demokratik, yang dapat sahaja mengikut memandukan kehendak budak itu sendiri, macham mana kita katakan itu feudalism?

sekolah yang pelajaran yang apa itu Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Pengerusi, oleh kerana Menteri Yang Berhormat kita terlampau interested dalam perkara ini, saya suka- lah memperkatakan bahawa yang saya itu bukan-lah masaalah maksudkan pondok2 di-Kelantan, tetapi saya ber- chakap di-atas policy bagi negeri ini.
Ada pun tentang hendak menambah di-situ, dengan saya menyebutkan ikhlas di-sini, saya amat-lah interested di-dalam Ministry of Education ini dan saya telah bekerjasama walau pun saya daripada pehak Pembangkang dan telah menolong menyusun L.C.E.

dan F.M.C.

dengan Islamic Studies dan 20 buah buku karangan saya dan telah mendapat kata sambutan daripada Menteri Pelajaran yang dahulu.

Jadi, bukan-lah bererti saya membangkang sa-mata2 menudoh system itu feudal.

Bukan sa-mata2 untok membangkang.


Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Itu- lah saya katakan tadi, dia tidak boleh katakan feudal.

Guna perkataan feudal itu pun sudah salah, fasal ini anti feudal (Ketawa), bukan saya marah apa2 (Ketawa).

Jadi, kalau kita hendak tunggu saperti mana yang di-shorkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dan dari pada PAS juga, apa akan jadi kapada anak2 kita, tiap2 tahun beratus ribu keluar tidak dapat pelajaran langsong.
Kita takut hendak buat salah, kalau kita takut hendak buat salah, saya katakan ta' usah-lah jadi jantan dan Kerajaan Perikatan (Ketawa) ini ada- lah Kerajaan jantan, dia berani buat salah dan dia berani pikul bebanan (Tepok).

Itu-lah sahaja, terima kaseh.

Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $320,313,351 for Heads S. 18, S. 19, S. 20 ordered to stand part of the Schedule.

Sitting suspended at 5,50 p.m.


Sitting resumed at 6.10 p.m. Head S. 21— Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu): Mr Chairman, Sir, I have given notice of an amendment under Standing Order 67 (7) on Head S. 21.

May I move the amendment now?

Mr Chairman: Yes.


it is that think intended the salary of Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Chairman, Sir, in proposing this cut of a token sum of $1 from the Menteri Luar Negeri, Head 21, Sub head 1, item (1), I am conscious of the fact that my move may be mis interpreted by some members who would to ridicule or belittle the Prime Minister who is also the Minister for External Affairs.
Far from it, I have the greatest for our Prime respect and Minister and I was indeed surprised to note, as I have said before when we debated Head S. 7—Prime Minister, that his salary as Prime Minister is only $4,000 per mensem which is only $1,000 more than that drawn by his colleagues is hardly commensurate with the dignity, responsibilities and burdens of his high office.

Accordingly, Mr Chairman, Sir, as members of this House know, it the Cabinet.
This regard in 4661 15 DECEMBER 1964 4662 was I who proposed that when con frontation ends and when the finances of the country are in a better condition, we should think of increasing the salary of this the Prime Minister.

I hope action of mine in proposing this cut will not give rise to the thought in anyone that it is intended to ridicule or belittle the Prime Minister.
is this cut to propose Mr Chairman, Sir, however, my in decision accordance with the usual parlia mentary practice to focus attention on the foreign policy of the Government, so that we can have a full-scale debate on it and to save the Government from embarrasement.

However, as time is short, it is not my intention today to initiate such a debate.

It is only my intention to focus the attention of this House on this important matter.
It is indeed incredible that in all the nine years that the Alliance Party has been in power that there has been no debate on foreign affairs.

One would have thought that any government for its own good would now and then have full-scale debates on such important foreign policy, defence, matters as economic policy, etc.

However, the Alliance Government is always afraid of any critical appraisal of its policies.
Not only does the Alliance Government not initiate debates on these matters that I have mentioned, but, on the contrary, it blocks any efforts on the part of the Opposition to bring up such matters for discussion.

Most of the members of the House will recall that it took the late Dato' Onn more than a year to bring his motion on Tanah Melayu to be debated in the last Parliament.
Members of this House will also notice that the three motions standing in my name have been on the Order Paper since July this year and, as I have mentioned before in my speech on the second reading of the Budget, I am not sanguine enough to hope that my motion will be debated for another year to come if the attitude of the Government still persists.
How ever, Mr Chairman, Sir, we have had an assurance from the Prime Minister that time will be given to Opposition members to discuss the matters that they bring before this House.

This is, of course, a result of the tyranny of the majority of the Alliance Party and by now the country must realise that this massive majority that the Alliance Party enjoys does nobody any good— not even the Alliance Party itself.
To get around this, I have decided on this amendment in the hope, albeit a slim one, that by focussing attention on foreign affairs the Alliance Govern ment on its own accord will publish a White Paper on its foreign policy so that we can have a full-scale debate on it and the people of this country also will have a chance to know and discuss this is what country.
the foreign policy of the Alliance Mr Chairman, Sir, I decided to focus attention on our foreign policy, or more correctly foreign policy, because I believe that more than anything else it is the sourse of our difficulties at this moment.

All too long it has been very vague, con fused and contradictory.

Sometimes the foreign policy is said to be a neutral policy and sometimes it is claimed to be definitely pro-West.
None other than the Prime Minister once said, while speaking to a group of students, that to be pro-West and he was proud regretted that some nations thought it not fashionable to be pro-West whilst receiving aid from the West.

I fail to understand the logic of the argument.

It follows the simple saying that he who pays the piper must be permitted to call the tune.

This attitude clearly belied the protestations of our Govern ment.
It shows to what extent we are subservient or to what exent we are prepared to be to allow ourselves to by other foreign powers dictated who give aid it shows unmistakably that we are not is this neutral.

Mr Chairman, Sir, further the Defence Treaty with Britain which permit the continuation of military bases and stationing of troops and, above all, it permits the use of these bases and troops for the defence of any part of South East Asia.
The relevant part of the agreement reads as follows— Mr Chairman, Sir, this is the agree ment concluded between the Federation of Malaya, the United Kingdom of to us.

Above all, confirmed by 4663 15 DECEMBER 1964 4664 Great Britain and Northern Ireland, North Borneo, Sarawak and Singapore.
I quote— "The Government of Malaysia will afford to the Government of the United Kingdom the right to continue to maintain the bases and other facilities at present occupied by their service authorities within the state of Singapore and will permit the Government of the United Kingdom to make such use of these bases and facilities as that Government may consider necessary for the purpose of assisting in the defence of Malaysia and for Commonwealth defence and for the preserva tion of peace in South East Asia."
Mr Chairman, Sir, the last few words are the damaging ones—"and for the preservation of peace in South East Asia."

You will note, Mr Chairman, that these bases and facilities are not only for the defence of Malaysia and the Commonwealth but also for the preservation of peace in South East Asia.

to the suppress Mr Chairman, Sir, the pace in any country can be distrubed by the folly of its own Government and it does not necessarily need any outside aggressor.
As such, the foreign forces here could be used without the sanction of this country to prop up an inefficient and corrupt Government.

It can also be used legitimate aspirations of subject peoples to free themselves from their colonial yoke.

As such we have become indirectly at least tools of imperialistic governments to perpetuate colonial rule directly or indirectly in this part of the world.
It is the acceptance of this role by Malaysia that has brought us to distrust among Afro-Asian and nations, almost all of which have cast away their colonial yokes and have declared free other countries from that same yoke.

There fore, our action is against their declared policy and is there any wonder that we are not looked upon with favour in the Afro-Asian group?
themselves disfavour to Furthermore, the Afro-Asian nations have accepted non-alignment and co existence as the twin pillars for peace in a world torn by the struggle of two conflicting ideologies and in a world in which force more than anything else has settled scores between nations.

The in Afro-Asian nations though weak in for peace military strength hope by their normal to be a and numerical superiority stabilising the factor world.

That they have succeeded no one can deny.


As such, it is pre posterous for a country like ours not only to ignore them but to ridicule and them.

The Prime Minister condemn while making a statement on the Sino-Indian border dispute said that it is impossible for us to co-exist with Communist China.

The Malayan Times, which appears to be nothing but a weak and feeble organ of the M.I.C., calls them sympathetic to the Communist bloc.
Such remarks are directed at the very principle of the Afro-Asian group and, as such, can we get their sympathy?

Besides that, we have until now the Afro-Asian group and ignored cared for the big powers in the West, which incidentally are all white.

We have not taken the trouble to establish embassies in Africa except in Cairo.

The budget that is before us does not make any provision for establishing more embassies in Africa.

We fill the embassies with discredited existing politicians.
Cairo excellent example.

There we sent a man whose primary qualification was said to be that he prayed seven times a day, but in reality he was sent away because his to suspicions.

If only men like him are to project our country actions given have .

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.. rise an is his life—that The Prime Minister: Mr Chairman, on a point of clarification.

The man who was sent to Cairo has never prayed in our worry (Laughter).

I think the man the Honour able Member is referring to is the one in Saudi Arabia.
There is no provision for praying seven times a day in the Muslim law (Laughter).

is Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Chairman, I was referring to our first Ambassador to Cairo—not the present one.

In the Dewan Ra'ayat it was stated that his qualification was that he prayed seven times a day.

The Prime Minister: I don't know where he got that—it is not in Islamic law.

4665 15 DECEMBER 1964 4666 Dr Tan Chee Khoon: I do not wish to tangle with the Honourable Prime Minister on this question of Islamic law.
I admit I am very ignorant about it, although I think there is nothing wrong in praying seven times a day (Laughter).

I wish I can myself pray seven times a day.

is that then to project our country Mr Chairman, Sir, only men like him are in there any foreign capitals, wonder that we have failed miserably in our foreign affairs?

That man whom we sent to Cairo must have been a failure.

I wonder if he had any contact with the Afro-Asian secretariat there.
If he, who was so close to the secretariat, was not able to put forth our case to the Afro-Asian nations, then either our policy must be unacceptable or he was incompetent.

This, then, shows that the present policy of appointing ambas sadors and consular heads is wrong.

The tendency to give these important appointments for political favours done or because of incompetence locally, is bound to have serious repercussions if it is persisted in.
It is because of this failure to Africa the Mission under the Prime Minister of Singapore was necessary and now the Deputy Prime Minister had to make a long trip.

We should think seriously before appointing ambassadors and we should only send the right people, be they they Indians, be Malays, be they Kadazans or Bajaus.

For the good of the country, Malaysians of whatever race should be selected on ability and merit alone to represent our country abroad.
These people should have clear-cut directives to follow a policy of non-alignment and co-exis tence, and it is time that the Govern ment makes a clear-cut stand on this so that we would be invited to the next Afro-Asian Conference in Algiers.

The Deputy Prime Minister has just returned from a visit to some of the North African countries to represent to them the Malaysian case.

But whether the Afro-Asian countries accept us as one of them will depend on our declara tions and actions.
As such, it is impera tive that the Prime Minister should at this crucial stage make a clear-cut and unequivocal declaration of non-align they Chinese, be ment and co-existence and the position of the Anglo Malaysian Defence Treaty, which has to be revised at least to delete the reference to the use of these bases for the preservation of peace in South East Asia.

The junketting across the African continent led by the Prime Minister of Singapore was proclaimed to be a suc cess.
Mr Chairman, Sir, we were not invited to the Afro-Asian Conference held recently at Cairo.

The Honourable Deputy Prime Minister has proudly proclaimed the success of his mission to North Africa.

I hope it is really so and that we would set up diplomatic missions with some of those countries and that all these will lead us to being invited to the next Afro-Asian Confe rence to be held in Algiers next year.
Mr Chairman, Sir, I am glad that there is a perceptible change of heart on the part of the Alliance Government that we are now going all out to woo African countries and that we have at long last realised that we must go along with the mainspring of Afro-Asia.
We must also show by word and deed that we are Asians, first and foremost, and that we are prepared and willing to work with other small nations for the preservation of peace and that we accept the concept of a peaceful co-existence as the only road to avoid a global war.

Mr Chairman, Sir, I now move that item 1 of subhead 1 of Head S. 21 be reduced by $1 as per provision of Standing Order 66 (7).
point2 Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad (Pontian Selatan): Tuan Pengerusi, mula2 tat- kala saya mendapati usul yang di- kemukakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Batu itu, saya bersedia-lah men- di-bahathkan, untok chatit tetapi apabila saya mendengar sadikit demi sadikit, maka nyata-lah tiada apa yang hendak di-bahathkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu, hanya mengu- langi balek apa yang pernah di-perkata- kan sadikit di-sana, sadikit di-sini dahulu.
Jadi, oleh kerana beliau sendiri tidak ada apa banyak yang di-perkata- kan, dan walau pun saya telah bersedia untok berbahath pada hari ini, tetapi ta' banyak-lah yang saya perkatakan, 4667 15 DECEMBER 1964 4668 oleh kerana beliau sendiri tidak menge- mukakan hujah2 yang chukup kuat untok membawa usul ini.

Jadi, usul ini di-kemukakan sa-mata2 sa-bagai satu daleh untok membahathkan policy luar negeri.
itu pun saya merasa disappoin ted, kerana tidak ada apa sangat yang di-bahathkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhor mat dari Batu itu.

Jadi, pertama sa-kali Ahli Yang itu mengatakan bahawa Berhormat beliau menghargai Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri dan daripada situ beliau menganjorkan supaya gaji Yang Teramat Mulia di-naikkan sa- bagai Perdana Menteri dan di-samping itu beliau menganjorkan, atau menge- mukakan usul supaya peruntokan token untok Menteri Luar Negeri di-turunkan sa-banyak $1.
Jadi, saya ta' nampak lojik, atau mantek Ahli Yang Berhor mat itu.

Pertama sa-kali jawatan Per dana Menteri itu dan jawatan Men teri Luar di-pegang oleh sa-orang yang sama juga.
Jadi, kalau kita memandang tinggi kapada satu peranan, dan me mandang rendah kapada peranan yang lain, pada hal pekerjaan itu di-jalankan oleh sa-orang, maka saya ta' nampak lojik-nya di-dalam perkara ini, dan sa- tadi, bagaimana yang di-katakan-nya kalau saya ta' salah faham bahawa usul ini di-kemukakan hanya-lah untok di- jadikan satu helah untok membahathkan soal policy luar negeri, tetapi kalau hendak membahathkan policy luar negeri dengan mengemuka- kan perkara menurunkan $1, saya rasa lain banyak masa untok membahathkan luar negeri, bukan-lah dengan chara hendak menurunkan $1.
Jadi, saya ta' nampak lojik-nya di-dalam perkara ini.

lain dan peluang sa-bagai policy di-dalam Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Batu itu juga berkata, atau pun menganggap salah bahawa Perjanjian Pertahanan antara Malaysia dengan United Kingdom, ia-itu mempertahan- kan preservation of peace in South- East Asia—mempertahankan keamanan di-Tenggara Asia.

Jadi, ini di-anggap- nya sa-bagai satu yang salah, tetapi pertama sa-kali yang elok saya menarek perhatian Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Batu dan juga Socialist Front.
Negara2 Kominis juga ada Pakatan Warsaw, ini di-chela, tetapi ta' pernah Ahli Yang Berhormat itu menchela Pakatan Warsaw.

Kenapa Pakatan tetapi Pakatan Warsaw itu tidak di-chela?

Ini lojik Parti Socialist Front dan Ahli Yang Berhormat itu menggunakan double standard in international politics.

Paka tan negara kita di-chela, tetapi bila pact negara China Communist tidak di- chela.

Jadi, kita tahu bahawa Socialist Front merupakan barisan hadapan kominis di-negara kita ini.

(HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Hear!


hear!)

Kalau sa- kira-nya Socialist Front betul2 berdiri neutral, kita tidak kira siapa yang buat itu, kita chela—itu satu.

Yang kedua-nya, Ahli Yang Berhor mat itu menganjorkan kita mengikut dasar neutralist, dasar Afro-Asia Baik dan bagus bunyi-nya, tetapi apabila India, China Communist menyerang Socialist Front tidak bangun menchela pencherobohan China Communist itu.
Mengapa-kah apabila Inggeris, Peran- chis dan Israel menyerang Republic tegas Arab Bersatu, Socialist Front keras menentang pencherobohan itu, tetapi apabila pencherobohan itu di- lakukan oleh negara kominis, kenapa- kah Socialist Front tidak tegas, tidak lantang menentang negara kominis?
Double standard yang di-gunakan oleh Parti Socialist Front, erti-nya double standard bukan-lah double standard yang menguntongkan negara kita, yang menguntongkan negara Malaysia yang kita kasehi, tetapi double standard yang menguntongkan negara2 kominis, dan menguntongkan gerakan kominis sa- dunia.
Ini policy Socialist Front, dan sa-tiap oleh kerana kita mengutok pencherobohan dan kutokan kita itu tidak menguntongkan negara kominis, maka oleh sebab itu-lah Parti Socialist Front tidak merasa puas hati dengan luar luar negeri kita.

Policy policy negeri Kerajaan Perikatan ia-lah kita menggunakan standard, kalau pencherobohan yang di-lakukan oleh Peranchis, oleh United Kingdom dan Arab Israel Bersatu, kita chela.

Maka demikian juga pencherobohan kominis terhadap India—terang dan jelas policy kita.
Ada-kah ini policy yang Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Batu itu tidak puas hati, ada-kah Ahli Yang Berhormat Republic terhadap satu 4669 15 DECEMBER 1964 4670 itu menganjorkan dari Batu kita menggunakan double standard di-dalam international politics dan lebeh burok lagi double standard yang hendak di- pergunakan, yang hendak di-anjorkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Batu ia-lah double standard yang meng- untongan kominis?
ini sudah Jadi, soal pertahanan kita dengan United Kingdom itu ia-lah untok perta hanan dan untok keamanan negeri kita, dan juga oleh kerana negara kita ini dudok-nya di-dalam Tenggara Asia, maka sudah tentu-lah kita mempunyai tanggong-jawab yang besar terhadap keamanan di-Tenggara Asia.

Nama perjanjian jelas—Perjanjian Pertahanan bukan Perjanjian Menye- rang.

Jadi, ta' perlu di-katakan apa2 yang tidak puas hati, sebab perjanjian ini untok pertahanan—pertahanan ter hadap sa-barang pencherobohan.
Jadi, apa yang hendak di-susahkan lagi, dengan nama-nya itu sudah merupakan Perjanjian Pertahanan dan bukan-lah perjanjian untok menyerang negara2 lain, kata-nya dengan perjanjian di- antara negeri Nazi Germany dengan Fascist Italy yang dahulu-nya lain.
Ini perjanjian yang merupakan sa-mata2 Perjanjian Pertahanan; baik, kalau kita tidak hendak mengadakan Perjanjian Pertahanan dengan United Kingdom, ada-kah Ahli Yang Berhormat itu sang- gup kita mengorbankan bagitu banyak daripada wang kita untok tentera dan melupakan soal2 pembangunan ra'ayat?
Kalau ini-lah yang di-tujukan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu, maka implication, chara jauh-nya, ada-lah begini: Kita belanja habis2an wang negara untok tentera; pembangunan negara, kebaji- kan ra'ayat, tolak ka-tepi, dan akibat- nya ra'ayat tidak akan merasa faedah daripada kemerdekaan, ra'ayat akan gelisah, ra'ayat akan bangkit, ra'ayat akan menentang pemerentah, ra'ayat akan menjatohkan democracy—demo cracy jatoh yang selalu-nya beruntong ia-lah kominis.
Ada-kah ini matalamat perjuangan Socialist Front di-dalam menentang Perjanjian Pertahanan di- dalam jauh-nya?

Erti-nya menentang Perjanjian Pertahanan di- dalam jangka jauh-nya menguntongkan perjuangan dunia kominis—world com munism.

Ada-kah ini yang di-tujukan jangka lagi, kita oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Batu?

Satu tahu bahawa di- Malaysia ini hanya ada 10 juta ra'ayat dan kita tahu di-sekeliling kita, Indo nesia mempunyai tentera kira2 sa-tengah juta.
Kalau lah takdir-nya, kita di- serang oleh Indonesia, siapa-kah yang akan sempat menyelamatkan kita, jika Pertahanan?

tidak ada Perjanjian terjadi Lihat-lah kapada apa yang kapada Tibet.

Tibet telah di-langgar oleh Kominis China; tidak ada negara yang sempat menyelamatkan daripada serangan Kominis China.

Ada-kah ini yang di- nasib yang sa-umpama kehendaki oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Batu itu?
Malaysia di-langgar dan di-ta'aloki dalam masa yang che- pat, kemudian tidak ada negara yang sempat membantu-nya.

Ini-lah dia yang kita hadapi dan saya takut ini-lah dia yang di-kehendaki oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Batu itu.

Sebab polisi Socialist Front tidak berubah menentang Malaysia.
Jadi tidak dapat menentang Malaysia dengan sa-chara terang2, tetapi ini-lah chara-nya, per- tama sa-kali membawakan perkara ini supaya kita berbahath dan kemudian Perjanjian dengan harapan Pertahanan ini di-hapuskan dan dengan harapan kita terpaksa mengikut nasib yang di-alami oleh Tibet dan sa-bagai suatu chara persediaan—preparation of the ground for the spread of the Com munist movement for the Communist powers in South-East Asia.
supaya Sekarang dalam perchatoran politik dunia, Vietnam Selatan menghadapi kekachauan dengan kominis.

Jadi di- harapkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Batu itu juga, hapuskan Per janjian Pertahanan ini dengan harapan tenaga2 kita akan lemah berhadapan kominis.

Jadi ini-lah yang saya nampak daripada sa-balek pemikiran Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Batu itu.

Jadi Ahli Yang Berhormat itu tadi mengan jorkan hendak-lah menganut fahaman co-existence.
Saya rasa tidak ada mempersoalkan ini dan polisi co existence ada-lah yang sa-baik2-nya bagi negara kita sa-kali bagi terutama negara2 kechil.

Tetapi dalam mengan jorkan polisi co-existence ini, ada-kah Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Batu kita 4671 15 DECEMBER 1964 4672 itu menyetujui pencherobohan, atau penyerangan oleh sa-sabuah negara ter- hadap negara yang lain?

Pertama Indonesia menyerang kita.

Co-existence apa-kah ini?


Yang kedua, Kominis China menye rang India, ada-kah ini co-existence yang di-maksudkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Batu?

Kalau Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Batu itu sa-benar2 menganut fahaman co-exis tence, maka sudah sampai-lah ketika- nya ia-itu memberikan kenyataan atau statement di-mana juga, bahawa beliau menentang pencherobohan oleh sa- juga.
Sila berikan statement siapa tentang pencherobohan oleh Kominis China terhadap India yang sekarang maseh lagi menguasai kawasan2 India.

Seru-lah supaya Kominis China ber- undor balek ka-kawasan-nya yang lama.

Saya belum pernah mendengar lagi statement daripada Socialist Front tentang hal ini.
Juga pada satu masa dahulu apabila Kominis Russia kereta2 melanggar, menghantarkan kebal dan tentera2 ka-Hungary, Socia list Front tidak berbunyi sadikit pun menchela tindakan Russia menghen- tam, melenyek ra'ayat Hungary yang bangkit mahukan kebebasan.

Tidak timbul sa-barang statement yang me nentang, yang menchela perbuatan negeri kominis.
lagi Kemudian satu daripada-nya ia-lah Ahli Yang Berhormat itu mengecham atau mengkeritik perlan- tekan Duta2 atas dasar lantekan politik ya'ani Duta2 ini di-lantek daripada orang2 Parti Perikatan.

Saya tidak nampak apa salah-nya sa-tengah2 jawa- tan Duta itu di-pegang oleh orang2 parti.

Sebab kalau kita hendak fikirkan baik2, orang2 parti-lah lebeh memahami dasar dan mind ya'ani pemikiran parti yang memerentah.
Sebab orang2 ini yang telah sa-hidup, yang merasai pahit maung-nya perjuangan parti dan orang2 itu faham benar2 akan jiwa, akan pemi kiran parti.

Jadi pada saya, perlantekan Duta2 daripada orang2 Parti ini ada-lah merupakan satu lantekan yang penting di-dalam usaha hendak memberikan penerangan, polisi, atau dasar2 Kerajaan yang di-kuasai oleh Parti Perikatan.
Ada-kah dengan mengemukakan per- soalan ini bererti jika Socialist Front berkuasa bahawa Socialist Front tidak akan melantek Duta2 atas dasar politi cal appointment?

Jangan-lah di-per- gunakan double standard lagi.

Bila Kerajaan Perikatan membuat bagini, maka di-kecham—nanti bila Socialist Front membuat ini, oh!

betul semua.
betul semua.

Jadi sa-panjang Duta2 yang di-lantek atas dasar political appointment ini, saya dapati di-satengah2 tempat yang saya sudah pergi amat berjaya, dan di-sini perlu juga saya menyatakan, Duta Besar kita di-Bonn ada-lah merupakan Duta Besar yang telah dapat menjalankan tugas2-nya dengan berjaya.

Sa-bagai chontoh-nya saya tunjokkan, di-dalam sambutan Ulang Tahun Malaysia yang baharu lepas, seluroh Duta Afro-Asia hadzir di- ini majlis upachara kita.
Ada-kah tidak merupakan satu kejayaan oleh sa-orang Duta yang di-lantek atas dasar political appointment?

Sa-lain daripada itu patut saya peringatkan ia-itu di- apa2 upachara ada Bonn, kalau Kedutaan2, Menteri2 Kerajaan Jerman Barat jarang sa-kali hadzir, payah hendak hadzir, berbeza keadaan-nya dengan negeri kita.
Di-upachara2 Ke dutaan, Menteri2 kita umum-nya hadzir dan selalu-nya ramai yang hadzir tetapi di-Bonn jarang benar, tidak sa-orang pun Menteri2 Jerman Barat yang hadzir dalam sa-barang upachara Kedutaan2.

Tetapi yang istimewa-nya telah pun berlaku pada hari ulang tahun Malaysia yang baharu lalu, ia-lah hadzir-nya sa- orang Menteri Jerman yang kanan yang mewakili Chancellor.

Ada-kah ini satu kegagalan dalam merupakan menjalankan tugas oleh Duta Besar yang di-lantek atas dasar political appointment?
Jadi, bagi saya yang penting sa-kali ia-lah "effectiveness" sa-saorang Duta Besar itu, tidak kira sama ada ia di-lantek atas dasar political appointment atau pun atas dasar "profession" ia-itu pegawai dari pada Kementerian Luar Negeri, tetapi yang di-persoalkan oleh Yang Berhor mat dari Batu itu ia-lah perlantekan atas dasar political appointment.
Jadi, keritik yang sa-benar-nya Yang Ber hormat dari Batu itu bukan-lah merupa kan keritik yang sehat, atau yang baik 4673 15 DECEMBER 1964 4674 untok memperbaiki lagi keadaan dari- ini, tetapi sa-mata2 pada yang ada hendak membahathkan dasar luar negeri, tetapi bila saya dengar betul2 tidak ada apa yang telah di-bahathkan- nya, kechuali beberapa point sahaja— itu pun point yang kechil2, jadi saya tidak nampak "justification" Ahli Yang itu hendak Berhormat dari Batu memotong bagi Menteri Luar Negeri ini.
Sa-kian-lah sahaja.

$1.00 peruntokan Wan Abdul Kadir bin Ismail (Kuala Trengganu Utara): Tuan Pengerusi, saya bangun membangkang usul yang di-kemukakan oleh Yang Berhormat dari Batu dan usul ini sa-betul2-nya menunjokkan memang benar Ahli dari Batu itu berkepala batu (Ketawa).
Ini- lah dia, Tuan Pengerusi, usul yang di- alu2kan oleh Indonesia, yang di-nanti2- kan oleh Sukarno dan Aidit, ini-lah perkara yang di-nanti dari Kuala Lumpur itu datang dan usul ini datang rupa-nya daripada Yang Berhormat dari Batu, dan saya perchaya dengan di-sedari, atau tidak di-sedari, beliau telah menjadi ejen Indonesia dalam Dewan ini (Tepok).

Apa yang hendak di-salahkan dasar luar negeri Malaysia?
Dasar luar negeri Malaysia dasar luar yang bebas yang telah di-terangkan berulang2 kali— dasar luar negeri yang bebas, dan maseh lagi Yang Berhormat dari Batu itu hendak supaya dasar ini di-ubah.

Tentang Perjanjian Pertahanan, saya sekarang minta Ahli dari Batu tolong tunjokkan apa yang dia akan buat dengan menghapuskan Perjanjian Per tahanan yang ada sekarang ini?

Kita berhadapan dengan sa-tengah juta askar Sukarno.

Apa Ahli dari Batu akan buat?

Siapa hendak di-panggil bagi menentang kekuatan itu?
Tentu tidak lain saya perchaya bahawa Ahli dan Batu mahu kita tundok dan menyembah dan masok ka-dalam perut Sukarno dan Aidit.

Ini-kah dia sa-benar-nya tujuan yang di-maksudkan oleh Ahli dari Batu yang berkepala batu itu.
Perjanjian Pertahanan kita dengan Britain ada-lah satu langkah sementara, telah berkali2 di-terangkan oleh pehak Kerajaan, satu langkah sementara yang boleh kita hapuskan dan kita batalkan bila masa yang kita suka, bukan sa- Filipina macham mana perjanjian dengan Amerika yang 25 tahun baharu boleh batal, tetapi perjanjian kita bila kita mahu batalkan dia, kita boleh batalkan, untok menjaga dan meme- lihara muslihat dan kepentingan kita— kepentingan sa-bagai crisis yang kita hadapi sekarang ini.
Barangkali ada ahli2 Kepala Lembu atau Socialist Front akan berkata baik- lah kalau untok menghadapi Indonesia sekarang ini barangkali mustahak, tetapi dahulu sa-belum konferantasi berlaku kenapa maseh ada.

Saya suka bertanya, kenapa dahulu Indonesia kita—kenapa, tidak konferantasikan padahal Pengkalan ini sudah ada ter- lebeh dahulu?

Barangkali pada masa itu Indonesia belum ada ejen2 yang aktif sa-bagai Ahli dari Batu pada masa itu.

Tuan Pengerusi, apa-kah dia dasar non-alignment ini?
Menurut istilah yang telah di-setujukan dalam Persidangan Non-Alignment baharu2 ini di-Cairo ia-lah sa-suatu negeri yang tidak masok pakatan tentera boleh di-terima menjadi anggota persidangan itu, dan menurut tafsiran itu kita memang boleh masok, kerana kita bukan masok pakatan tentera, antara kita dengan Britain hanya suatu "bilateral agreement"— perjanjian antara kedua buah negeri sahaja dan ini bukan sahaja di-akui oleh negeri kita, tetapi di-akui oleh Piagam Bangsa2 Bersatu, Piagam Bandong dan segala Piagam2 dalam dunia ini untok menjaga muslihat kita.
Kita memang patut hadhir dalam Persidangan Non-Alignment kelmarin, tetapi kita telah di-tahan, di-tegah dan di-chegah oleh Sukarno dan Indonesia yang memang sakit hati kapada kita.
Negara2 Afrika dan Asia yang ber- termasok Republik Arab pengaroh, Bersatu, dan negeri2 lain yang kita sangat berterima kaseh kapada mereka itu yang kuat menyokong kita, tetapi apa boleh buat Sukarno yang jahat maksud-nya itu telah berjaya menahan kita masok persidangan itu, tetapi kita tetap bersama dengan segala ke- putusan2 yang telah di-putuskan oleh Persidangan itu sa-bagaimana yang di- nyatakan oleh Yang Teramat Mulia hubongan Perdana Menteri dalam 4675 15 DECEMBER 1964 4676 kawat-nya kapada Pengerusi Per- sidangan itu.
Jadi terang sahaja bahawa dasar kita tidak ada apa salah-nya, hanya rasa dendam Ahli dari Batu rasa hendak berkhidmat itu, hanya kapada Jakarta, Ahli dari Batu itu mengemukakan usul ini kapada Dewan ini.

itu Indonesia Tentang Duta kita di-Cairo, saya sendiri hairan bahawa segala kelayakan yang ada pada Duta kita di-Cairo itu yang dapat di-perolehi oleh Ahli dari ia-lah dia hanya pandai Batu sembahyang itu lima waktu.
Kalau sahaja yang dia dapat repot sia2-lah dia menghantar dua wakil-nya baharu2 ini ka-Cairo—wakil daripada Socialist Front, tetapi sayang-nya Ahli dari Batu tadi oleh kerana jahil-nya dia tentang perkara ini, dia kata sembahyang tujoh waktu, sa-benar-nya lima waktu (five) tujoh.

Menurut pengalaman bukan saya sendiri saya sampai di-Cairo pada bulan Mach dan Ogos saya dapati Duta kita di-Cairo sa-orang yang sangat popular di-sana.
Ada pernah berlaku, Tuan Pengerusi, resepsi2 yang di-adakan oleh di-Cairo tidak ada Menteri U.A.R.

menjengok, saya dapat sa-barang resepsi kita adakan tidak kurang 3-4 Menteri2 U.A.R.

datang ka-tempat kita dan kedudokan Duta kita di-sana men- dapat dan hubongan-nya dengan segala kalangan Afro-Asia di-Cairo sangat baik sa- sahaja kalau kita kali.
Dan mengalu2kan kejayaan lawatan Tim- balan Perdana Menteri baharu2 ini ka- Afrika Utara telah di-buka ia-lah jalan-nya dengan jaya oleh Duta kita di-Cairo bersama2 dengan Timbalan Perdana Menteri melawat ka-serata negeri di-Algeria, Tunisia dan Morocco, maka tidak ada jalan bagi Yang Ber- hormat dari Batu itu untok menyata- kan bahawa Duta kita tidak ada mem- buat pekerjaan.

Saya harap lain kali lebeh baik Ahli dari Batu itu hantar lagi wakil-nya ka-Cairo tolong tinjau benar atau tidak.

Terima kaseh.
Terima kaseh.

sambutan tetapi tahu, tentu yang baik lose take a more active interest in the activi ties of the Afro-Asian countries.

Afro- Asian support for us, whether expressed in moral terms or in more votes in the United Nations, is vital for our survival.

For this reason, Soekarno has always tried to win Afro-Asian opinion on his side and to isolate us from the newly emerged countries in Africa and Asia.
To the support of Afro-Asian countries in our legitimate claim as an independent sovereign State is tanta mount to their acceptance of the view of that we are a neo- colonialist territory.

For this reason, the active and persistent efforts on the part to get of Malaysia accepted as a participant in the next Afro-Asian Conference in Algiers deserve the full support of the House.
the Central Government Indonesia to It will be recalled that early this year the Prime Minister of Singapore led a truth mission to explain to the non- aligned Africans that Malaysia is not a neo-colonial puppet of the British, but a State as independent as any of them.

The Singapore Prime Minister's tour was a success and did much to wipe out the false impression of Malay sia created by the Indonesians who employ their diplomatic machinery to the full turn Afro-Asian nations against Malaysia.
It was most unfortu nate that the truth mission was not followed immediately by moves to set up closer diplomatic the countries visited.

The Deputy Prime Minister, Malaysia, has also made a successful mission recently to the North African States of the United Arab Re public, Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia.
He has stated that Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia have agreed to establish diplomatic relations with Malaysia and that it is the intention of the Central Government to maintain contacts with these countries and send missions there.

It is hoped that no delay will occur in fulfilling these aims.

ties with Enche' Ong Pang Boon (Singapore): Mr Chairman, the P.A.P.

has always emphasised the political importance of the Afro-Asian countries interna tional politics.
It has always held the view that Malaysia should draw closer into the Afro-Asian Bloc and should in In fact, diplomatic ties should be established not only in North Africa but also in the East and West African States considering the number of votes African States have the United Nations and their influence amongst the countries.
Indeed, it will be money well in 4677 15 DECEMBER 1964 4678 spent, whereas it is money wasted on setting up diplomatic missions in such corrupt and discredited States like South Korea.

South Vietnam and Formosa.

late of the K.M.T.

does imply a certain degree of recognition of the existence of another China besides Communist China, a situation the rest of the Afro- Asian world is unwilling to accept.
that received it is in However, it is hoped that the Govern ment will realise the national interest that the men dispatched to consolidate the diplomatic victory in Africa should be men selected for their ability and integrity and not for reasons of political patronage.

The possibilities for good and bad international relations depend on the quality of the diplomatic corps.
On the basis of reports of the policies of rival and friendly govern ments through diplomatic channel, the Government has to make vital decisions that affect not only the destiny of the nation but also its rela tions with other countries.

Skilled diplomatic representatives will confirm friendship, make peace, settle past dis putes and remove the cause for future disagreements.

Not the least, they pre serve the support of friends and win that of neutrals against the aggrandizement of hostile neighbours.
For these reasons, it is hoped that the Government will not show the same lack of judgment in its choice of diplomatic representatives as it had occasionally done in the past—for example, the despatch of a discredited politician from Singapore to Australia.
Furthermore, diplomats how ever skillful and intelligent cannot exploit the possibilities and limits of diplomacy the country unless the men ultimately res ponsible for the foreign policy of the country are themselves capable of seeing the potentialities of diplomacy and pursue the appropriate policy.

the advantage of to In this connection, it is to be regretted that the Government has thought it fit to establish a to allow the K.M.T, Consulate in Kuala Lumpur.
The Prime Minister has explained that it is neces sary to have such a Consulate because of the growing trade between Malaysia and Formosa and the increasing flow of people between the two countries.

He also claims that the establishment of Formosan Consulate does not amount to the recognition of Formosa on the part of Malaysia.

Yet, it cannot be denied that the acceptance of a Consu Enche' Wan Abdul Kadir: On a point of order—Standing Order 35 (6) "A member shall not read his speech".
The member is reading his speech now.

Mr Chairman: Will you try not to look too much at your notes (Laughter).

Enche' Ong Pang Boon: Yes, Mr Chairman, I shall do so.

But I think this is the Budget session, it is the I hope Opposition's the time and the Opposition member will allow ample time to finish their speeches.

to improve Mr Chairman, Sir, the existence of a K.M.T.

Consulate in Malaysia is not the internal state going of politics.

Perhaps the Government has forgotten that the K.M.T.
has a noto rious record of stirring up Chinese patriotism among the overseas Chinese through commercial and social organi sations.

Together with the Malayan Communist Party, it has left behind in Malaya a legacy of Chinese chauvinism.
We are a nation in the making and we have taken great pains to persuade the Chinese immigrants to break their ties with China, the Indians to break their connections in India and the Malays of Indonesian origin to sever relations with Indonesia so that all will make Malay sia their object of loyalty.

The presence of Nationalist Chinese in Malaysia will stir up old memories and dying the conditions for accepting a K.M.T.

Consulate is that it should stay out of politics.


Even if it does, its presence will carry weight in the psychology of some of the chauvinist elements of the Chinese population.

The K.M.T.

should not be allowed to be an alternative to the M.C.P.

even in the most remote manner.

What is ultimately at stake is the development of Malaysian cons ciousness and identity.

loyalties.
loyalties.

Perhaps one of influence Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah (Kelantan Hilir): Tuan Pengerusi, saya mengambil bahagian sadikit di-dalam perbahathan ini.

Tuan Pengerusi, ada- lah dasar—polisi luar negeri bagi Kera- jaan Perikatan semenjak Tanah Melayu 4679 15 DECEMBER 1964 4680 telah menchapai kemerdekaan ada-lah satu dasar—polisi yang berdampingan tegoh dengan Kerajaan Inggeris, ini ada-lah satu perkara yang tidak dapat di-nafikan.
Hebat-nya perdampingan dasar—polisi kita dengan Kerajaan Inggeris telah menimbulkan beberapa perkara, ia-lah treaty —perjanjian di-antara Kerajaan kita dengan Kerajaan Inggeris di-dalam masaalah pertahanan.
daripada-nya satu India, Arab dan Betul perkara perjanjian yang telah di-adakan oleh Kerajaan kita dengan Kerajaan Inggeris ia-lah kita pandang dari segi mustahak-nya pertahanan negeri kita, kerana kita lemah dan sa- tetapi di-sisi negeri2 yang terus-nya, baharu menchapai kemerdekaan me lain2 reka saperti negeri lagi, walau pun mereka itu telah menchapai kemerdekaan, dan walau pun kedudokan mereka itu di-dalam perkara2 pertahanan ada-lah kedudokan tetapi oleh sebab di- yang lemah, pandang mereka tentera bangsa asing di-tanah ayer mereka yang di-pandang sa-bagai satu kemerdekaan yang tidak penoh, bahkan ada tentera asing di-dalam tanah ayer mereka itu, mereka itu pandang sa-bagai satu kele- mahan mereka di-dalam foreign policy mereka itu hanya Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad: Untok penjelasan.
Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Saudara akan dapat berchakap.

Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad: Sadikit sahaja saya hendak tanya.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Tidak.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ini per kara perjanjian yang telah di-adakan oleh Kerajaan kita dengan Kerajaan Inggeris di-dalam masaalah pertahanan dan mengekalkan kubu pertahanan dengan Inggeris dan membenarkan tentera2 Inggeris dudok di-dalam tanah ayer kita yang telah menjadi duri di- dalam daging Kerajaan Ini perkara yang selalu di-tanya2 oleh bangsa2 asing kapada kita, walau pun saperti mana yang telah saya terangkan tadi ada-lah perjanjian pertahanan ini ada-lah perkara mustahak untok per tahanan dan keselamatan negara kita, tetapi di-jawab oleh mereka itu boleh kita.
satu sa-berapa Indonesia rapat dan kita adakan satu perjanjian, sa-kira-nya perjanjian boleh kita adakan dengan Kerajaan Inggeris, atau Kera jaan mana juga, sa-kira-nya negeri kita di-langgar, baharu-lah pada ketika itu, boleh Inggeris datang menolong kita.

Ini satu soal yang mustahak di-kaji.

Soal yang kedua ada-lah satu perkara yang jelas dan chukup terang bahawa- sa-nya Kerajaan kita tidak mengambil langkah yang berat untok mengadakan rapi perhubongan yang dengan negara2 Afro-Asia.
Ini perkara tidak-lah dapat di-nafikan oleh Kera confrontasi— jaan, sa-telah tetapi timbul, maka masaalah confrontasi terburu2 baharu-lah Kerajaan kita hendak mengadakan perhubongan dengan Kerajaan Afro-Asia, wal hal Kerajaan telah mendapat peluang yang ke-emasan untok mene- rangkan dengan jelas-nya kapada negara2 Afro-Asia ini bahawa- sa-nya Malaysia bukan satu bangsa yang merdeka, kerana mereka itu tentera2 Inggeris di- membenarkan dalam tanah ayer mereka dan sa-terus- nya.
Jadi, Kerajaan telah mendapat peluang lebeh dahulu untok menanamkan kapada rachun penganjor2 negara Afro-Asia di-sana.

Perkara yang ketiga, Tuan Pengerusi, ia-lah satu perkara yang mustahak bagi Kerajaan kita, walau pun dengan sengaja atau tidak, telah menjalankan telah ini dan perkara perkara menimbulkan satu soal pula yang besar di-sisi orang2 Arab di-Timor Tengah sana ia-itu akuan kita kapada Kera jaan Israel.
Masaalah akuan Kerajaan kita terhadap negara Israel ini telah menimbulkan perbahathan yang besar di-kalangan orang2 Arab, bagaimana- kah Kerajaan Malaysia yang berdasar- kan, atau pun yang menjadikan ugama telah sa-bagai ugama Islam mengakui dan mengiktirafkan Indonesia rasmi, .

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.. ini itu Enche' Senu bin Abdul Rahman: tidak pernah Untok penjelasan, kita mengakui Israel.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Sa-bagaimana yang saya tahu, Tuan Pengerusi, Kerajaan kita akui Israel, tidak di-adakan perhubongan.
tetapi Soal Perjanjian Pertahanan.

suka-lah saya saya panjangkan perbahathan 4681 15 DECEMBER 1964 4682 tempat pertahanan untok memberi penjelasan kapada Rumah yang mulia ini.

Orang2 Afro- tentera2 Asia memandang kedudokan bangsa asing di-dalam satu2 negeri ia- lah satu perkara yang tidak baik.
Maka sebab itu-lah Kerajaan Arab—U.A.R., atau pun Kerajaan Masir dengan giat- nya menjalankan tenaga-nya untok menghapuskan Perjanjian Pertahanan di-antara Kerajaan Libya dengan Kerajaan Washington, atau Kerajaan Amerika, kerana Kerajaan Libya mem- benarkan Kerajaan Amerika menga- dakan kapal terbang di-negeri Libya sana, kerana apa, pandangan di-sisi orang2 Arab bahawasa-nya kedudokan tentera2 Ame rika di-Libya satu perkara ia-lah yang memburokkan kehormatan ke- merdekaan mereka, demikian juga tentera2 Inggeris di-Aden.
Ini juga di- pandang oleh orang2 Arab dan Afro- Asia sa-bagai satu penghinaan kapada orang2 Arab di-sana, maka sebab itu- lah timbul pemberontakan di-Yaman sana, dan sekarang tenaga2 di-jalankan untok menghapuskan tentera2 Inggeris yang ada di-Aden sana, dan ini timbul- lah penjelasan yang telah saya kemuka- kan, dapat-lah kita ketahui ada-lah tentera2 bangsa perkara kedudokan asing di-dalam tanah ayer kita maseh lagi berjalan terus dan maseh juga sa- kira-nya kita tidak ambil langkah yang chukup giat untok memperbaiki per- hubongan baik kita dengan Afro-Asia, itu-lah soal Malaysia maka sa-lama tidak dapat di-sambut oleh orang2 Afro-Asia.
Baharu2 ini kita terbacha di-dalam akhbar Utusan Melayu ia-itu reporter telah mengambil Utusan Melayu peluang apabila di-adakan seminar dalam^ranchangan T.V.

untok bertemu dengan rombongan2 (delegates) yang datang daripada Africa sana.

Maka ini reporter telah bertanya kapada itu, apa-kah pendirian dan mereka pendapat mereka itu di-dalam soal confrontasi di-antara Indonesia dengan Malaysia.
Kebanyakan daripada dele gate2 itu berkata yang mereka itu tidak dapat mengambil bahagian, sama ada menyokong Indonesia atau pun me- nyokong Malaysia, bahkan mereka itu berharap supaya kedua2 Kerajaan ini— lebeh2 lagi Kerajaan Malaysia—tenaga2, langkah2 untok di-adakan perdamaian ini supaya dapat-lah soal confrontasi di-selesaikan damai.
Oleh dengan sebab yang demikian, Tuan Pengerusi, saya minta-lah kapada Kerajaan untok mengkaji sa-mula dasar luar, policy Kerajaan kita, muga2 apabila di-kaji sa-mula, dapat-lah di-perbaiki yang mana policy yang nampak lapok, atau yang nampak burok akan kedudokan kita supaya dapat di-ubah dengan policy yang dapat menchantumkan, atau memperbaiki kedudokan kita dengan Afro-Asia.
Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah (Bachok): Tuan Pengerusi, pada mula- nya saya sangka usul yang di-bawa oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada ini merupakan satu usul yang Batu sunggoh2 gaji hendak memotong Menteri yang berkenaan itu.

Tetapi di- dalam mengemukakan atau mengusul- kan, beliau berkata bahawa ini ada-lah sa-mata2 untok membolehkan Dewan ini membahathkan dasar luar negeri.
Jadi, Tuan Pengerusi, di-dalam beliau itu mengemukakan usul-nya di-sebut- lah beberapa perkara yang mendorong beliau berbuat demikian ia-itu pendirian atau sikap Kerajaan Malaysia dalam erti kata "co-existence" dan bagitu juga berkenaan dengan menchari persefaha- man dengan negeri2 Afro-Asia dan bagitu juga dengan Pengkalan Tentera yang ada di-sini dan keadaan Kedutaan dan Duta2 kita di-luar negeri dan di- kaitkan pula dengan kekechewaan kita di-dalam Mu'tamar Afro-Asia negara2 berkechuali baharu2 ini di-Cairo dan Mu'tamar yang akan datang pada bulan Mach di-Algeria.
Tnan Pengerusi.

saya berpendapat berlainan, ia-itu saya tidak mahu di- kurangkan sa-ringgit, tetapi saya minta tambah lima million kali ganda lagi ia- itu saya minta tambah lima million lagi memandang kapada Malaysia ini telah merasakan satu negeri lebeh besar dan policy luar negeri-nya bertambah hebat dan kerja2 yang di-jalankan oleh Kementerian yang ada sekarang ini terlalu banyak, tetapi malang-nya di- lakukan oleh Menteri tetapi tidak ada orang-nya.
Sebab itu-lah saya minta lima million kali ganda daripada sa- ringgit itu.
4683 15 DECEMBER 1964 4684 Tuan Pengerusi, sa-bagaimana yang telah saya katakan di-dalam Kemen- terian Pertahanan, saya katakan juga di-dalam Kementerian Luar Negeri, ia- itu Perdana Menteri kita ini, pertama- nya yang ta' dapat kita nafikan umor telah dia pun sudah lebeh, dan dia banyak kali sudah menjadi Perdana Menteri, dan banyak-lah beban2 yang di-tanggong-nya yang sekarang ini tiga portfolio yang di-pegang-nya, kalau ta' ia-itu Perdana Menteri, salah saya, Menteri Luar Negeri dan Menteri Kebudayaan dan Sukan.
Kalau dahulu di-dalam negeri Federation of Malaya boleh buat empat pun dia pegang.

Tetapi sekarang ini sudah bertambah wilayah2 kita dan maseh hendak retain lagi championship ini.

Jadi ini-lah yang menyebabkan policy2 luar negeri tidak di-perbesarkan peranggotaan-nya sa-hingga apa yang di-buat oleh Kerajaan ini tidak dapat di-fahamkan oleh orang ramai, bukan salah di-mana, sebab sudah-lah token $10 di-minta kurangkan lagi $9.
Jadi langsong kita tidak tahu policy luar negeri itu saya meminta tambahan lebeh lagi.

itu sekarang ini, Sebab itu Tuan Pengerusi.


kalau-lah kita hen dak katakan salah satu sebab daripada mengapa usul ini di-bawa ia-lah Peng- kalan Tentera British ada di-sini dengan mentafsirkan bahawa itu untok perta hanan, dan untok sa-suatu yang lain, tetapi kita hairan di-dalam Kongres Negara2 Berkechuali di-Cairo baharu2 ini yang di-hadhiri oleh 29 atau 30 buah negara—saya lupa itu, tetap terdapat di-dalam-nya negeri Turkey, kalau ta' salah saya negeri Iraq, negeri Philip pine, Thai.
Pada hal negeri2 ini mem punyai' pakatan2 senjata yang lebeh kurang taraf-nya sama dengan pakatan di-negara kita dengan mengadakan itu.

Negeri Turkey, pengkalan-nya mithal-nya, dengan pakatan NATO, negeri Traq dengan Baghdad Paet-nya dan negeri Philippine/Thai dengan SEATO-nya.

bagaimana-kah Jadi negara2 ini boleh turut sama di-dalam di- Persidangan ta'rifkan yang negeri kita ini ada mempunyai' hubongan penjajahan di- sini dengan sa-mata2 di-adakan Peng- kalan Tentera di-sini.
Di-sini-lah yang saya katakan duit mesti di-tambah lagi sedang kita itu, supaya di-perbanyakkan lagi pegawai2 supaya memberi penerangan sa-hingga bukan sahaja negara2 luar boleh faham, tetapi orang2 Perikatan sendiri pun boleh turnpang mengerti dalam policy yang terpendam ini.

Tuan kalau-lah Pengerusi, kita hendak katakan kedutaan kita tidak sa- imbang dengan taraf Malaysia yang luas ini—ini pun saya mengakui, tetapi kedutaan2 atau pun mission kita di- luar negeri di-buat sa-sudah negara itu terbentok.
Jadi sa-sudah Malaysia ini terbentok, baharu-lah di-buat perhu- bongan2 kedutaan itu.

Jadi pada masa ini saya perchaya dengan di-minta duit yang saya katakan banyak tambahan lagi itu dapat-lah di-adakan lagi kedu taan2 di-negeri2 yang termasok juga negeri2 yang kita tidak pernah sebut, mithal-nya di-Khabul, Afghanis tan mithal-nya, negeri2 yang terpendam di-sabelah India sana.
lain itu di-bawa balek Tuan Pengerusi, ada pun berkenaan dengan Duta2 kita di-luar negeri, saya tidak pernah melawat Kedutaan2 di- luar negeri sa-bagaimana sahabat2 saya daripada Kuala Trengganu Utara, saya ta' dapat peluang, kerana dia Parti Perikatan, dia tentu-lah dapat peluang, saya Parti Pembangkang tentu-lah orang ta' bagi.
Jadi, Tuan Pengerusi, Kedu taan2 kita ini yang saya tahu, hendak kata layak ta' layak pun, tetapi kita ada satu orang Ustaz daripada Kedah nama-nya Ustaz Othman yang menjadi Duta di-Mekah, dan saya rasa kalau dia sanggup-kah Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Batu menjadi Duta di-Mekah pula (Ketawa).
Jadi, Tuan Pengerusi, yang saya kata bagitu, sebab kalau kita bawa balek Duta kita yang bernama Tuan Yang Terutama Ustaz Othman itu, saya takut pula na' di-rebut oleh orang lain yang bernama Ustaz Othman, yang calibre-nya lebeh rendah lagi—itu yang saya takutkan benda itu sebab itu saya mengemukakan ada-kah dia bersedia hendak pergi jadi Duta di-sana, jika tidak, jangan di-tarek2kan benda itu.
Jadi, Tuan Pengerusi, ada pun ke- kechewaan kita di-dalam Persidangan Negeri2 Yang Berkechuali baharu2 ini, Ahli Yang Berhormat itu tidak juga berani menegaskan, jadi di-dalam dia 4685 15 DECEMBER 1964 4686 mengemukakan masa membawa motion —hujah2 itu, kami di-pehak Pembang kang ini, kalau hujah2 itu sehat, kami na' sokong, tetapi dia membawa mula- nya dengan berani, tetapi di-dalam menggulong-nya terlampau lembut dan kami pehak Pembangkang pun rasa malu (Ketawa) dia hendak menghentam mula-nya, kemudian dia kata ini sa- bagai satu helah hendak membahathkan policy sa-mata2.
Jadi kami pun berse- dia persiapan itu entah di-mana saya letakkan, sudah ta' jadi uchapan itu berlainan daripada ini.

Jadi, saya rasa ini pun dia mengechewakan bagi pehak Pembangkang sendiri.

Patut-nya dia lebeh berani daripada itu supaya kita tengok, kalau dia kalah mithal-nya, dua orang memang patut-lah kalah, sebab dia sadikit.

"mutual Jadi Tuan Pengerusi, dalam keke- chewaan ini dahulu pernah saya kata- kan, saya tidak juga salahkan Kerajaan atas perkara ini, tetapi manusia mana yang ta' buat salah.
Kita hantar rom- bongan pergi ka-luar negeri na' chuba menchari understanding" dengan negeri2 Arab, kita hantar pergi Perdana Menteri Singapura, kalau kita hantar Setia-usaha Agong UMNO itu baharu kena (Ketawa).

Jadi, tersilap kita menghantar itu, jadi bukan-kah kerja-nva itu di-jalankan dengan betul.
Mithal-nya kita katakan bagini, kalau mithal-nya kita katakan kita mempu- nyai sa-ekor harimau yang baik, yang sudah di-lateh tahu membawa barang daripada satu rumah ka-satu rumah, dan boleh menjadi "messenger", dan kita teringat-lah, jiran kita yang sa- belah rumah, yang anak-nya sakit, dan kita na' hantar $10, kita malas na' pergi.

kita ikat-lah duit $100 di-leher harimau ini dan harimau itu pun tahu menyam- paikan duit itu.
Dia membawa rahmat pergi, tetapi tuan rumah tengok harimau datang duit itu dia ta' nam- pak dia nampak harimau itu.

Jadi ini- lah yang kita silap mengirim-nya tadi, dan saya rasa ini sa-bagai satu perkara yang patut di-ingat oleh Kerajaan dan saya mencheritakan ini, Tuan Pengerusi, ia-lah kerana saya berniat hendak tegoran2 yang membena, memberi tetapi saya nampak ada Menteri2 yang (Ketawa).

Saya pandang pada saya itu susah hati ada satu orang sahaja dalam Dewan ini, Tuan Pengerusi.

(Ketawa).
(Ketawa).

atau politik—saya Jadi, Tuan Pengerusi, ada pun yang maseh lagi kita tertunggu2—saya ini membahathkan di-atas duit $5 juta ini, kalau tidak ada duit ini saya tidak ber- chakap, Tuan Pengerusi, sebab asas saya bukan hendak potong $1 tetapi hendak tambah $5 juta lagi.
Jadi, Tuan Pengerusi, ada satu perkara lagi agak- sebab Yang susah-nya, nya yang Berhormat dari Batu tidak mahu me- nerangkan, ia-itu mithal-nya dalam dia minta supaya di-adakan Kertas Puteh berkenaan dengan dasar luar negeri kita ini dia tidak pula menyebutkan di- mana silap-nya Kerajaan ini, dia sa- mata2 mengatakan silap sa-chara umum sahaja.
Jadi, hendak betul pun tidak boleh juga, macham orang yang sakit, tetapi dia dia cheritakan sakit-nya, minta ubat yang tertentu, jadi sebab itu-lah susah, dan saya rasa dia sa-bagai sa-orang doktor tahu dia tidak boleh mengubat, melainkan di-pereksa dahulu.
Mithal-nya, dia kata mengapa-kah di- dalam Kementerian Luar Negeri kita ini terdapat orang2 yang berjawatan pentadbir tidak ingat—tetapi dia berani mengeluarkan statement2 yang boleh menimbulkan suatu silap faham di-kalangan perhu- bongan kita dengan negeri2 yang lain.

Mithal-nya, berkenaan dengan pengebo- man (bomb) Amerika kapada Vietnam Utara.

Ada spokesman kita di-sini mengatakan memang itu kita harapkan, itu-lah polisi yang kita suka.
Ini sa- patut-nya Menteri dahulu membuat perkara yang sa-macham itu sa-belum daripada spokesman itu, dan akhir-nya saya dapat tahu bahawa perkara itu sudah-lah terpaksa di-betulkan dan kita ini menyokong pengeboman itu sudah bererti melupakan beberapa usaha kita hendak menchari mutual understanding dengan negara2 Afro-Asian atau pun negari2 luar yang kita sebutkan tadi.
Jadi, Tuan Pengerusi, ini sa-bagai satu chara yang kita melakukan intervention atau masok champor dalam satu per kara yang merugikan kita daripada menguntongkan.

Saya rasa kalau Yang Berhormat itu berani mengemukakan bagitu.

saya rasa baharu-lah debate ini menjadi hangat dan boleh menghasil- kan sa-suatu yang membena.
4687 15 DECEMBER 1964 4688 saya tidak ini kita tidak salah saya, Tuan Pengerusi, satu lagi masaalah tidak dengar daripada ia-lah Ahli Yang Berhormat itu menegor tentang dasar negeri ini membuat per- hubongan dengan Taiwan (Formosa), kalau tetapi dia menegor hubongan kita dengan negeri2 yang lain, yang dia takut kalau2 kita ini tidak dapat sokongan daripada Afro-Asian.
Perhubongan kita dengan tegor, pada hal Taiwan dia tahu sama dengan Taiwan Israel, sebab Taiwan ini di-biayai oleh Amerika dan Israel juga di-biayai oleh Amerika.

Agak-nya Taiwan itu sadikit sa-banyak ada hubongan dengan beliau, jadi dia diam sahaja, Jadi kami pehak Pembangkang hendak menyokong sudah serba salah.
Tuan Pengerusi, ter- sendiri pulang-lah kapada Kerajaan menjawab-nya apa-kah hubongan itu walau pun berapa consul yang hendak membuat urusan2 perdagangan atau pun perniagaan itu boleh melukakan atau menyekat kita daripada mendapat habuan yang baik daripada negeri2 Afro-Asia.

Tuan Pengerusi, ada lagi satu per- ia-itu saya perchaya Kerajaan kara sedang membuat usaha2 yang kita hendak menjamin bahawa kita boleh hadhir dengan rasmi dalam Persidangan Afro-Asian di-Algeria atau pun di- Cairo.
Pada hari ini saya dapat tahu conclusion ia-itu orang2 kita ini hadhir di-jemput oleh negeri Masir dudok di- situ, bukan sa-bagai ahli yang me- ngambil bahagian dan juga sa-bagai pemerhati.

Saya tidak mahu negeri kita ini turut sa-bagai "pa' yet", kita mahu mendapat satu habuan ia-itu turut debate di-dalam persidangan itu.
Kalau kita kechewa pada masa itu, saya harap dalam Persidangan Afro- Asian di-Algeria jangan kechewa juga, tidak Tuan Pengerusi, untok menjamin boleh-nya kita hadhir dalam Persi dangan Afro-Asian di-Algeria itu, saya rasa ada satu soal yang mesti di-jawab ia-itu negeri Algeria oleh Kerajaan, sendiri tidak i'tiraf Israel dan Kerajaan kita tidak i'tirafkan Israel.

Saya tidak mahu bahathkan ini, sebab Kerajaan kata sa-bagai satu method of debate, sava menerima apa yang Kerajaan kata itu.
Yang kedua-nya, Tuan Pengerusi, pendirian negeri Algeria sendiri dia menyokong gerakan Nasionalis di- Congo.

Di-Congo itu ada dua kuasa yang bertentangan antara Regime Tshombe dengan kuasa Nasionalis.

Jadi, di-mana-kah Kerajaan Malaysia sekarang ini menyokong Tshombe-kah atau pehak Nasionalis?
Ini akan men- jadi perbezaan di-antara Malaysia kita dengan Algeria, dan bagaimana pula pendirian kita terhadap negeri Arab Selatan, Mozambique dan Angola yang bergadoh dengan Portuguese sekarang ini dan juga terhadap satu perkara yang kita tidak tahu yang sa-patut-nya da- hulu kita bawa masok ka-dalam Malay sia ia-itu Irian Timor yang di-bawah Amanah Australia sekarang ini.
Ini sudah ada pergerakan kalau kita hen dak meluaskan, tetapi kita tidak pernah kemukakan perkara2 ini kapada ra'ayat jelata, sebab itu-lah timbul-nya ada yang hendak membawa usul potong $1, ada yang susah hati—saya pun juga dengan Ahli2 berkawan baik rahsiakan, Perikatan—entah mereka saya ta' tahu-lah, mereka pun tidak tahu hal ini semua.

Mereka semua serah kan kapada Perdana Menteri.

Kalau kita hendak mati besok pun serahkan kapada Tunku.
Lama2 bila Tunku kata: "Hai orang2 Perikatan nampak-kah ini gajah aku masok di-dalam kendi?"

"Ya kami nampak."

"Mana kamu tahu kamu nampak?"

"Kami nampak ekor dia keluar dari lobang itu."

Mereka tambah dan sokong lagi perkara2 yang mustahil gajah masok lobang kendi dan mereka tambah ekor gajah keluar dari lobang itu, mereka tambah lagi benda yang tidak betul itu.
Oleh sebab itu, Tuan Pengerusi, saya shorkan di-dalam kita hendak meng- hadhiri Persidangan Afro-Asian itu kalau usaha2 kita itu berjaya saya rasa kita jangan tinggalkan wakil2 wanita kita di-sini walau pun wakil wanita daripada PAS ini tidak ada, tetapi sa- bagai sa-orang Pembangkang dalam Dewan ini dalam masaalah luar negeri dan masaalah nasional saya suka memberi fikiran saya kalau dapat di-terima, kerana di-dalam Persidangan Afro-Asian itu bukan-lah membahath- kan berkenaan dengan politik sa-mata2, tetapi ada juga membahathkan culture, saya 4689 15 DECEMBER 1964 4690 masaalah2 wanita dan lain2, dan saya suka juga kalau Menteri Muda Kebudayaan hadhir sama dan saya tidak lupa juga sahabat saya dua orang yang mempunyai degree dalam bahasa Arab saperti Yang Berhormat dari Kuala Trengganu Utara patut di-bawa bersama, tetapi jangan-lah bawa ustaz2 yang boleh berchakap 'tana, ente" yang pernah lari daripada PAS masok Peri- kataan (Ketawa).
Sekian-lah sahaja.

Mr Chairman: Saya suka hendak mengingatkan kita maseh membahath- kan pindaan, penchadang akan men jawab, Yang Teramat Mulia Perdana Menteri barangkali suka hendak men- jawab, jadi kalau bagitu bila masa-nya kita hendak habis.

Saya hendak beri peluang kapada penchadang menjawab.

(To DR TAN CHEE KHOON) DO you wish to reply?

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Yes.

Mr Chairman: How long will you take?

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: I do not know maybe about five minutes.
Dato' Nik Ahmad Kamil (Kota Bharu Hilir): Mr Chairman, Sir, is it your intention to cut short this debate and not give any more backbenchers of the Government a chance to contri bute or participate in the debate on this very important subject matter?

Mr Chairman: No, I am merely stating that this is an amendment to the debate and Honourable Members will have a chance to vote when it is put to the House instead of repeating what has been said over and over again.
Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah (Hilir Perak): Saya rasa, Tuan Penge rusi patut memberi peluang kapada tudohan yang saya untok menjawab personal terutama sa-kali kapada Kera- jaan kami dan juga ada menyentoh nama saya.

Jadi, Tuan Pengerusi, kalau Tuan Pengerusi daripada pagi tidak membenarkan saya bangun berchakap habis-lah (Ketawa).

Benarkan-lah saya berchakap, Tuan Pengerusi.

Mr Chairman: Boleh saya benarkan, kalau Ahli Yang Berhormat boleh memendekkan sadikit.
Tetapi kalau merewang2 sahaja bila hendak habis, itu sahaja.

Bukan-nya masa ini saya punya, tetapi Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang punya.
pindaan Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah: Tuan Pengerusi, saya minta sa-belum saya berchakap beberapa perkara yang sudah kita dengar di-sini penerangan2 yang tidak betul yang mustahak di- betulkan dan saya rasa sa-belum pen ini menggulong chadang uchapan-nya patut juga Menteri2 kami di-beri peluang untok memberikan penjelasan supaya perkara tidak berulang lagi di-dalam membahathkan dalam Committee.
Kalau Tuan Penge rusi tidak membenarkan, kami akan menyediakan itu semua di-dalam Com mittee, Tuan Pengerusi, nanti susah juga.

ini Mr Chairman: Saya benarkan.

Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah: Terima kaseh.

Tuan Pengerusi, saya membangkang usul ini.


Bangkangan saya di-atas pindaan ini sa-bagaimana alasan2 yang telah di-beri oleh sahabat2 saya dari Pontian Selatan, daripada Kuala Trengganu Utara yang telah menyatakan bangkangan-nya yang keras terhadap usul pindaan yang di-kemuka- kan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari pada Batu.

Yang menyusahkan fikiran saya di-dalam perbahathan ini ia-itu perkara yang di-bahathkan ini ia-lah perkara yang berulang2 dan sudah di- chakapkan tetapi di-ulang2 juga.
Biasa- nya kalau mengikut kaedah orang jawab-nya 4, lain kita belajar 2 x2 lagi.

Jadi manakala ta' usah jawab-nya 4, orang bertanya 2 x2 besok dia bertanya lagi orang itu nama- nya jahil.

Besok di-tanya lagi nama-nya Murakkab.

Di-tanya lagi Bahlol nama- nya.

Jadi perkara itu sudah berkali2 di-chakapkan.

Dasar luar negeri kita bukan-lah satu dasar yang menyebelah ka-mana2 block, yang sedang ber- tentangan dalam negeri ini.

Kita mempunyai dasar bersendiri mengikut atoran dan fikiran kita.
Apa yang saya tidak mengerti pendirian orang PAS muzab zabir—pendirian munafik yang telah di-terangkan-nya di-dalam Dewan ini.

Sa-orang Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Bachok dia hendak menyo- tahu tidak-kah dia kong-kah, tanya tidak 4691 15 DECEMBER 1964 4692 lagi kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Batu, tetapi Ahli Yang Berhormat yang itu berchakap mula2, sa-orang dia menentang kita, ma'ana-nya dia menyokong Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Batu, macham ular dua kepala.
Jadi orang PAS ini nampak-nya yang dia menyuroh orang jangan munafik dalam Dewan ini dia-lah bapak munafik dalam Dewan ini!

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Tuan Pengerusi, Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Hilir Perak munafik yang dahulu bersumpah dan berjanji hendak mem- perjuangkan dia ugama munafik.

sekarang AHLI2 YANG BERHORMAT: Dudok!

dudok!

Mr Chairman: Saya hendak mene- rangkan sadikit.

Saya ada chukup kuasa sa-bagai Pengerusi, saya boleh meng- hantar orang keluar.
Saya minta-lah jaga tatatertib waktu hendak berbahath.

Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah: orang Pengerusi, manakala Tuan menyerang kami, kami diam, sebab kami tahu bahawa sabar itu elok tetapi bila kami menyerang balek rupa-nya orang PAS yang memegang Islam ini tidak sabar fasal itu dia kalah.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Dia tidak faham ayat Qur'an, Tuan Pengerusi.

Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah: Tuan Pengerusi, orang yang beradab ia-lah orang yang mendengar nasehat.
Ada pun orang yang tidak mahu men dengar nasehat orang itu nama-nya kurang ajar (Ketawa).

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Tuan Pengerusi, saya minta dia tarek balek.

AN HONOURABLE MEMBER: Dudok!

dudok!

Mr Chairman: Saya minta percha- kapan itu di-tarek balek.

Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah: Tuan Pengerusi, sa-belum saya menarek balek saya tidak menujukan kapada dia.

Mr Chairman: Kalau tidak menuju kapada dia, ta' apa-lah.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Saya minta Mr Chairman: Itu terpulang kapada saya.
Tolong tarek balek perkataan yang salah pada Undang2 Standing Orders itu.

Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah: Tuan Pengerusi, sa-belum saya tarek balek, saya tidak menujukan kapada sa-orang Ahli Yang Berhormat dari pada PAS.

Bagaimana saya hendak tarek balek?

Dia menyebut nama saya patut dia menarek balek tetapi saya tidak mahu, saya sa-bagai orang jantan dalam Dewan ini kita berbahath, kalau dia sa-orang jantan lagi di-luar kita boleh berjumpa (Ketawa).
Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Tuan Pengerusi, apa yang saya faham, itu melarikan diri Yang Berhormat daripada Mr Chairman: Nanti, nanti.

Enche' Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Standing Orders 37.

No member shall interrupt another member.

Dato' Nik Ahmad Kamil: Rasa saya kita ini ada Standing Orders, apabila Tuan Pengerusi itu berchakap, Ahli Ini dalam Dewan rasa-nya dua tiga baris sahaja, budak sekolah pun pandai bacha.

ini kena dudok.

Mr Chairman: Itu semua kita sudah tahu tetapi kita bantah juga.
Jadi bila macham itu kita sudah jatoh mertabat kita—jatoh mertabat budak2.

Saya minta kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat simpan-lah mertabat itu dan boleh berbahath.

Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah: Itu-lah saya katakan Mr Chairman: Saya sekarang buat ruling.

Perkataan yang di-katakan tadi itu ya'ani perkataan kurang ajar itu di-tarek balek.

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.. Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah: Baik-lah.

Saya menudoh kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat itu kurang ajar saya tarek balek (Ketawa).
Tuan Pengerusi, kalau Ahli2 Yang Berhormat daripada PAS mengemukakan beberapa chontoh2, maka saya pun juga hendak menimbulkan beberapa chontoh2.

Chon- toh2-nya satu daripada-nya kalau Tuan ingin 4693 15 DECEMBER 1964 4694 Pengerusi mempunyai hak menentu- kan peratoran dalam Dewan ini orang itu tidak mahu ikut, yang pertama sa- kali, Tuan Pengerusi boleh halau orang itu keluar daripada Dewan ini, kalau dia tidak mahu, itu nama-nya kurang ajar, Tuan Pengerusi.
Mr Chairman: Saya tidak suka orang bertengkar macham ini.

Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah: Jadi, saya ini tidak boleh berchakap dia buat kachau sahaja.

Masaalah yang saya kemukakan ini, saya tidak me- ngerti apa-kah lojik di-antara orang2 PAS dalam menyokong usul yang di- kemukakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Batu, yang satu menyokong yang satu lagi menentang.

Enche' Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Siapa yang menyokong?

Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah: Dengar dahulu saya berchakap.
Apa yang saya faham, Tuan Pengerusi, Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Kelantan Hilir telah menyokong usul yang di- kemukakan atas pindaan yang di-buat oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Batu.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Tuan Pengerusi, saya berdiri berchakap dalam Dewan ini saya tidak menyokong tetapi dia tidak faham.

Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah: Tuan Pengerusi, itu erti-nya orang kurang ajar.

Sa-patut-nya dia mesti minta kebenaran dahulu.


Mr Chairman: Saya hendak memberi tahu kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat, kalau hendak menjawab, kemudian nanti boleh di-jawab.

Jangan tengah2 dia berchakap di-sampok, kalau dia tidak benarkan berchakap, jangan-lah berchakap.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Tuan Pengerusi, saya bangun kerana dia melangkah dan melawan serta melanggar Undang2 Standing Order yang ta' boleh di-gunakan di-dalam Rumah ini—chakapan yang kotor, un parliamentary.
Mr Chairman: Ini dia sudah tarek balek tadi!

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: lagi, Tuan Ini yang dia ulangi2 Pengerusi.

Mr Chairman: (kapada Tuan Haji Othman) Jangan di-ulang2 lagi.
Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah: Yang saya ta' faham, Tuan Pengerusi, Ahli dari Kelantan Hilir berkata kata- nya orang ta' hendak menyokong kita ini sebab dasar luar negeri, kerana tentera2 bangsa2 asing ada di-dalam negeri ini, ada tentera2 Commonwealth, ada tentera2 British di-dalam negeri ini, dan dia meyakinkan bahawa sebab itu- lah, maka dasar luar negeri kita ini, ini yang menyebabkan yang saperti negara2 Afro-Asia tidak mahu menyo kong kita—dengan erti kata yang lain bahawa Ahli Yang Berhormat itu menyokong dasar yang di-buat oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Batu, itu mantek-nya dia menyokong, dan dia sendiri mengatakan bahawa sa-barang negara di-mana ada tentera2 asing di- dalam negeri itu menunjokkan bahawa negara itu tidak penoh merdeka dan ini menjadi amalan yang sa-lama2-nya oleh orang2 PAS mengatakan bahawa kemerdekaan kita ini tidak penoh— sa-tengah masak, sa-tengah matang— itu bahasa dia dahulu, sa-tengah masak, ini.
tidak Bukan-kah bahawa paduka Yang Berhormat itu menyo kong Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Batu— bukan-kah itu ma'ana-nya, mantek-nya, tetapi Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Bachok lain fikiran-nya.

Dia kata dia hendak menyokong parti, tetapi oleh kerana pandangan Ahli Yang Berhor mat dari Batu ini berma'ana kemerdekaan sempurna Mr Chairman: Saya suka hendak mengingatkan kapada Ahli Yang Ber hormat, Ahli Yang Berhormat ta' ada hak hendak menyebut, hendak meng- ulas satu persatu uchapan Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang lain.
Beri keterangan di-atas maudzu' yang ada di-hadapan ini sahaja dan sambil lalu boleh di- refer atas perchakapan2 itu sahaja.

Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah: Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak menje- laskan betapa keraguan saya dalam masaalah ini, sebab Dewan ini telah di-kelirukan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat 4695 15 DECEMBER 1964 4696 yang pandai berchakap, tetapi chakap- nya tidak betul.

Apa mithal-nya chakapan-nya itu betul bahawa Duta Malaysia di-Saudi Arabia sa-orang yang bernama Ustaz Othman—benar- kah ini?
Benar-kah ini, Tuan Penge rusi, bahawa Duta Malaysia di-Saudi ini bernama Arabia yang sekarang Ustaz Othman dari Kedah, benar-kah?

Ada-kah bohong orang PAS ini, hendak kita tahan di-dalam Dewan ini, dan patut-lah Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Bachok menarek balek perchakapan- nya bahawa Duta kita di-Saudi Arabia bukan Ustaz Othman bin Yusof datang dari Kedah, sa-orang bekas Duta dari Indonesia yang bernama jahil- Dato' Kamaruddin.
Alang-kah nya Ahli Yang Berhormat itu tentang sa-orang Duta sahaja di-dalam negeri ini—Malaysia ini terhadap negara2 lain.

Ada-kah layak orang yang saperti ini champor di-dalam masaalah Duta kita ini—layak atau tidak layak, nama pun tidak tahu!
tetapi pembawaan Kemudian berkokok-lah Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Bachok mengatakan Philipina hadhir di-dalam Persidangan Negara2 Berkechuali di-Kahirah; Tur tidak key pun hadhir—saya tahu, benar-kah pandangan-nya ini, benar- kah negara2 yang masok dalam blok ini, walau pun negara itu negara Asia ada hadhir di-dalam negara2 bebas yang bersidang di-Kahirah, tetapi ber- selindong—satu faham salah yang di-terangkan di- yang dalam-nya, di-dalam Dewan ini yang kita tidak boleh telan bagitu sahaja.
Oleh Indonesia, Tuan Pengerusi, telah melibatkan nasib negara Malaysia ini saperti negara2 Asia, atau Afrika yang dudok di-sabuah blok2 negara yang sekarang ini sedang berchichir.

Di- masokkan-nya nama kita ini dalam list mereka itu, erti-nya Malaysia ini juga ia-lah negara di-mana dia dudok di- dalam blok dunia.
Kita tidak, oleh kerana kita menyatakan menyatakan terpaksa kita menghantar beberapa orang pegawai kita ka-Kahirah untok menyatakan masaalah ini dengan terang, walau pun kita tidak di-terima masok sa-bagai anggota penoh di-dalam persidangan negara2 berkechuali di-Kahirah, tetapi kita mempunyai peluang2 yang besar seluroh untok menyatakan kapada sa-buah tidak, terhadap sa-barang negara2 yang berkechuali tentang ke- dudokan kita yang sa-benar-nya, dan kerja kita itu berjaya.
Kejayaan dari- pada Kedutaan kita di-tambah dengan pegawai2 kita yang berpengalaman di- tanah ayer kita ka-Kahirah, kemudian di-susul dengan perjalanan Timbalan kita.

Kabus-nya Perdana Menteri sekarang ini yang menyelubongi negara kita, kian lama, kian terang, dengan harapan bahawa negara2 di-dunia ini terutama-nya negara Afro-Asia akan dapat memahami kedudokan kita yang sa-benar-nya, memahami dasar kita yang sa-benar-nya terhadap penjajahan bentok dan pencherobohan di-dalam dunia ini.
Tetapi, Tuan Pengerusi, apa yang telah di-lakukan oleh dua ekor lembu yang di-hantar ka-Kahirah oleh Socialist Front?

Mereka tidak kelihatan ini langsong dan apa yang saya dengar, ini masok ka-Night Club, mereka keluar Night Club; kemudian meng- kerohkan suasana negara sendiri dan garam-nya—negara-nya menaborkan sendiri, sendiri, tumpah darah-nya tempat dia belajar, menuntut dan tem- pat dia besar—yang di-tujukan-nya kapada negara lain, di-chakapkan-nya kapada Indonesia bahawa kita neo- colonialist.
Dua ekor lembu yang di- lembu seret dari Moscow, dua ekor yang taring-nya, yang leher-nya di-seret dari Peking untok chuba hendak menandok negara kita yang merdeka dan berdaulat ini, dan wakil-nya ada sa-orang di-sini—Ahli Yang Berhor mat dari Batu.

kita Israel, bahawa Tuan Pengerusi, masaalah ini hen- di-faham.

Berulang2 kita dak-lah tidak menyatakan mengi'tiraf negara Israel—mana lagi mulut yang hendak kita sebutkan, sa- tidak mengi'tiraf puloh kali kita tetapi orang2 PAS negara maseh berkepala batu.
Ada mata ta' di-gunakan, ada telinga ta' di-gunakan, ada hati ta' di-gunakan; kalau dalam Qur'an ia mengatakan.

Ula ika kal an 'am—Mereka ini macham binatang.

Ini kata dalam Qur'an.

Kalau hendak marah, marah Qur'an.

Kalau hendak suroh tarek balek, kikis dalam Qur'an.

Ada kepala ta' berfikir, ada mata ta' menengok, ada telinga ta' mendengar, ini macham binatang.

Kita macham beberapa kali sudah kita katakan, kita 4697 15 DECEMBER 1964 4698 ini, tetapi sharakallah tidak mengi'tiraf negara Israel.
Kita menentang penjajahan.

Kita mengutok sa-barang pencherobohan, walau di- lakukan oleh sa-siapa pun juga dalam dunia hul 'azim—ia ulang balek; ia ulang alek, sahaja hendak melambatkan debate ini, Tuan Pengerusi, Ahli Yang Ber- hormat dari Batu sengaja mengemuka- kan masaalah ini, tetapi kalau kami kata, saya tadi berasa sabar terima segala tudohan daripada pehak Kera- jaan, maka terima-lah pula kami punya peluru.

Tuan Pengerusi, bagi kita, saya ta' hendak berchakap panjang—chukup- lah itu.
Bagi saya, Ahli Yang Ber- hormat dari Bachok mengechiPkan fikiran kami—Ahli2 Perikatan ini ada- lah satu hal yang keterlaluan yang tidak dapat memberi ma'af, kami ia walau pun di-dalam Dewan mengatakan apa yang di-sebut oleh sebut; Tunku, itu-lah yang kami ma'ana-nya jahil—tukang ikut, pak enggeh sahaja!

ini kami ini sendiri.


Kami Tuan Pengerusi, pandangan rendah daripada Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Bachok terhadap Ahli2 Dewan Ra'ayat dari Perikatan ini, satu pandangan yang sempit yang tidak pandai mengukor tidak me- diri-nya mandang Tunku sa-bagai Tuhan.

Kami tidak memandang Tunku sa-bagai Nabi, tetapi kami memandang Tunku sa-bagai pemimpin.

Chuba lihat orang PAS dalam masaalah debate ini tidak mempunyai pemimpin.

Satu kata ini, satu kata itu.


Orang yang tidak mem punyai" pemimpin akan hanyut-lah dia di-tengah2 gelombang yang bagini hebat.

Kami mempunyai kepala sen diri.

Kami mempunyai pandangan sendiri dalam masaalah ini, dan kami berani kerana kami tahu, kami benar.

Pengerusi, membodoh2kan ahli2 UMNO ini dengan mengatakan sa-kali lagi, hai ta' patut-lah Tunku itu semua dia hendak ambil, beri-lah dengan orang lain rezki itu.
Dia sudah tua, walau pun Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku sa-orang yang tua, tetapi 10 orang PAS boleh di-telan-nya sa-kali gus.

(Tepok).

Sudah lama kita men- dengar bahawa chara orang2 PAS ini terhadap orang2 Perikatan demikian, tidak tetapi satu perkara yang saya Tuan dia faham, apa-kah pandangan dia dalam masaalah yang ini—pendirian concrete!

Saya dahulu sa-orang ahli PAS, Tuan Pengerusi, yang dia kata tadi saya lari daripada sana.
Betul saya lari, kerana pendirian yang goyang, yang munafik saperti ini, siapa yang lari lari?

Siapa yang ta' mahu ta' dengan pendirian yang saperti ini?

Besok Ahli Yang Berhormat dari lari!

Bachok pun hendak (Ketawa) siang2 tetapi kami telah berkata: Kami tidak akan terima.

Orang2 yang sudah menjadi second hand dalam PAS mulai tahun 1965 tidak akan kami terima.

Perchaya-lah—ta' ada harapan!

Saya tahu, Tuan Pengerusi, saya tahu pendirian dan dasar luar negeri orang2 PAS ini—saya tahu.
Saya orang besar- nya dahulu!

Saya tahu rahsia-nya itu dalam saku saya semua.

Ka-mana-kah arah tujuan mereka itu .

.. .

Mr Chairman: Saya suka hendak mengingatkan kapada Ahli Yang Ber hormat—ini rasa-nya macham political rally.

Jadi, kita mesti-lah patoh ka ini pada perkara yang kita hadapi supaya barangkali dapat Ahli2 yang lain yang ada hendak berchakap, barangkali hingga pukul lapan akan di- tutupkan perbahathan ini.
Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah: Saya hampir hendak habis, Tuan Pengerusi, lima minit sahaja lagi saya hendak habis.

Dalam masa lima minit ini.

saya habiskan chakapan Yang saya kata tadi masaalah ini yang saya ragukan ini di-mana-kah orang2 PAS ini berdiri?

Itu yang saya ragukan sangat, dan manakala saya terangkan perasaan ini, saya tahu pendirian dia.

Saya tahu, saya tahu fahaman dia, saya tahu.

Terima-lah bedilan pula!


saya saya Tuan Pengerusi, di-dalam masaalah ini pun ta' perlu saya hendak ulang2kan dan Ahli2 Yang Berhormat dari sahabat2 saya pun akan berchakap dalam perkara ini, dan kami tidak akan puas, Tuan Pengerusi, sa-lama Tuan Pengerusi tidak benarkan kami—kami bukan orang bodoh semua, kami boleh berchakap.

Benarkan-lah kami ber chakap, kami basoh semua orang2 ini, sampai batu2 itu kami hendak basoh.

Pada akhir-nya, Tuan Pengerusi, ta' ada benda baharu.
Benda baharu yang 4699 15 DECEMBER 1964 4700 original yang di-bawa oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Batu itu ta' ada—ta' ada benda.

Benda itu benda yang sudah lapok, yang ta' laku di-Sunday Market pun ta' laku modal dia ini, maseh di- bawa lagi ka-dalam Dewan ini; dan oleh kerana itu-lah Ahli Yang Ber saya dari Pontian hormat Selatan sudah bomb dia, Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Kuala Trengganu Utara tadi telah buldozer dengan dia, dan saya hanya untok menyapu berseh mana yang tinggal2 (Ketawa).
Sekian, Tuan Pengerusi.

sahabat Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Chairman, Sir, may I have a very brief reply because tomorrow morning I will have to be at the Selangor Legislative Assembly and I will not be present.

I will take no more than five minutes.

Mr Chairman: I do not think you can give a reply satisfactorily in five minutes.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: I will not take very long, Sir.

I am not that long- winded; I am not that vindictive.
Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Chairman, Sir, there are a few of us who would like to take part in this debate, too.

I think we should continue tomorrow morning.

Mr Chairman: Yes, I think we adjourn till tomorrow.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Chairman, Sir, then I regret, as I have said, I will not be here tomorrow morning.

Mr Chairman: It is for you to be here or not; it is not for me.

You started this and it is for you to be here.

It does not matter to me.


Dr Tan Chee Khoon: I just wish to inform the House that I will not be here tomorrow morning as I have to be present at the Selangor Legislative Assembly.

Mr Chairman: The time of the House is not in my entire control; it is in your hands.

House resumes.

Mr Speaker: Honourable Members, I have to report that the Committee of Supply on the Supply Bill, 1965, has progressed up to Head S 20 of the Schedule to the Bill.
ADJOURNMENT Dato' Dr Ismail: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that this House do now adjourn.

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Sir, I beg to second the motion.

ADJOURNMENT SPEECH ACTS OF BRUTALITY BY CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THE POLICE FORCE Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, after much amount of heat that has been generated in the last two hours, I hope this further speech of mine regarding reforms in Police investiga tions will not generate further heat from the Minister of Home Affairs.
Mr Speaker, Sir, at the October session of this House, it was my very pleasant duty to bring to the notice of this House the exemplary conduct of a member of the Police Force, namely Felix Manuel.

Today I have the un pleasant duty of speaking on the subject of Police brutality.
Cases of deaths of persons in Police custody, the peculiar way such deaths are supposed to have taken place and the lack of evidence from Police officers and men who could be the only witnesses, have compelled me to bring to the notice of this House the urgent need for reforms the method of investigations, interrogations and examinations carried out by the Police.
in Although only a few cases have been heard ended in deaths and have been the subject of inquests, there are many cases of individuals who have been arrested by the Police and have been man-handled while being interrogated in Police cells, lock-ups and other interrogation centres.

We all must have read with horrow the death in a cell in Kuching of a political detainee.

Wong Yuen Eng.
Wong Yuen Eng.

The evidence relating to his death has been so shrouded in mystery that the Coroner, even after two inquests, had to give an open verdict.

This had to be so because the only people who had access to the detainees were the the Police Police officers, and only 4701 15 DECEMBER 1964 4702 reciprocal from whom them implicate officers and men could know what happened in the Police Station.
As officers in the same service, it would to give not be possible for their evidence that would own kind they would expect treatment.

Mr Speaker, Sir, may I, in this connection, quote very briefly from a report of this inquest?

This is what the Coroner said of the case in question, and I quote: "Mr Rajah is a senior officer of Police and was called in (presumably to give an objective police investigation) so that an objective police investigation could be carried out.
In my view and from hearing him give evidence, it appeared that Mr Rajah, perhaps sub consciously, was not objective at all.

He the that alcohol was given conceded deceased.

He conceded that it was given by one of the staff in the Interrogation Centre.

He conceded that he questioned all the staff and they all denied administering alcohol.
When the Court put to the witness the obvious and indeed the only inference which logically could be drawn from such denials, namely, that one or more of the staff was lying, his reply, after considerable hesitation, was that no one way lying but just withholding is a ridiculous evasion and a quibble not expected, I would have thought, from a senior officer conducting an impartial investigation into an extremely important case.
If an investigation is going to be carried out by officers who are determined, no matter what the facts are, to shield their own men, then the investiga tion might just as well be discontinued."

information.

This that to Mr Speaker, Sir, this is the finding of the Coroner in this case.

Sir, there has also been another case of a man who died in custody in a Police Station some time last year, and I think it was in Kedah or Perlis.
In this case, the man was supposed to have slipped and fallen into a drain while being escorted to the bathroom, and medical aid could not be sought until the man had been dead for some time.

It could not be established whether the man died as a result of the supposed fall or as a result of the Police brutality.

I shall yet quote another example of Police brutality.
On the 26th of June this year at 2.00 p.m., Enche Lai Peng Seong, Vice-Chairman of the Pekan Jawi Branch of the Labour Party of Malaya, was arrested.

On the 27th June, 1964, at 6.00 a.m. he was seen to have been taken to the vicinity of a Chinese graveyard of Kampi Rasan and was beaten there.

I can go on ad infinitum quoting such instances, but I hope these three cases that I have quoted will suffice.
force on I am sure members of the legal pro fession, who have had occasion to take up such cases, are very familiar with such Police brutality.

But it cannot be denied that the Police have used un those who are necessary have been I myself interrogated.

approached by members of the public, who have suffered in the hands of the Police but, because of lack of medical evidence, I have asked these people to forget about such manhandling by the Police.
This difficulty arises out of the fact that investigations and interroga tions are conducted by officers behind closed doors and no members of the public or relations of the captives are permitted, even within hearing distance of the the Police Station; hence difficulty in getting evidence of such a Police brutality.

Mr Speaker, Sir, before I close, I wish to make it quite clear that only a few members of the Police Force have perpetrated such acts of brutality.
My indictment must not be taken to mean that I am tarring the whole Police Force with the same brush.

On the contrary, 1 wish to reiterate that the Police Force, as a whole, is doing a good job under very trying conditions, but there are a few "black sheep" in the Police Force as in any other profession, and it is because of them that I have brought these cases before this evening.
this House Dato' Dr Ismail: Mr Speaker, Sir, I am glad that the Honourable Member qualified himself at the end of his speech because, when I first heard him making the accusation, I thought that he was going to blacken the whole of the Police Force, of which I know the whole country is proud, especially at this time when we are being confronted by Indonesia.
Sir, I will not be so presumptuous as the Honourable Member to comment on the the observations made by Coroner who conducted the enquiry into 4703 15 DECEMBER 1964 4704 the death of that person in Kuching because, not being a learned member in law as, I am sure, the Honourable Member who is also not learned in law, I do not think we are competent to do so.

However, in so far as that part of the quotation of the case read by him, 1 am sure the Police will take note of it.
But, as far as I am concerned, the Court made this decision—it gave an open verdict.

Now, the other case that he referred to was the case in Kedah.

Sir, I would like to elaborate on this case, because so many may misinterpret what the Honourable Member has said about this case.

This case refers to a person who died of internal haemorrhage due to ruptured spleen in the police lock-up at the Jitra Police Station in December, 1961.
On this particular occasion, the injury was inflicted when the deceased before his death tripped and fell across the concrete drain on his return from the bathroom at about 12.30 a.m. on 24th December, 1964.

He was heard groaning with pain in the lock-up at about 1.05 a.m. and medical aid was immediately sought, However, by the time the Hospital Assistant arrived at 1.20 a.m., he has already passed away.
The Court's findings in this case were, and I quote: "Death through misadventure by falling on the drain but due to some negligence on the part of the Police."

With regard to that part of the verdict where the Police have been blamed for some negligence, appropriate actions have been taken.
The Coroner consi dered that the police escort should have warned the deceased of the existence of the drain and that the deceased's com plaint abdomen immediately following the fall should have been attended to there and then.

pain the of in Police enquiries were immediately commenced on these two aspects and it was concluded that there was insuffi cient grounds to justify impositions of any punishment on the police officers concerned.
The spot where the drain runs across the path was adequately lighted and no one would normally miss it.

Nobody, prior to this occasion, tripped and fell on this drain during the night.

The real need for any warning, therefore, did not arise, It that is admitted the deceased complained of some pain in the abdo men as a result of the fall.
However, judging from the nature of the fall and the absence of external injuries, the Inspector on duty—not being a doctor— believed in good faith that the deceased was suffering from ordinary stomach pain.

Hence he was not aware of the seriousness of the sickness until about half-an-hour later when he visited the deceased in the lock-up who was then groaning with pain.
Nevertheless improvements have been made to this station by the construction of another bathroom the former one which was at some distance from In addition, a general Force direction has been issued to this effect— the station building to replace itself.

(i) directing police officers to imme diately seek medical attendance to all prisoners complaining of illness and prohibiting them from assessing them selves; the complaints (ii) directing all police escort to be diligent and alert.
Now, Sir, it will be appreciated that to conclude from these cases that the Police practise "third degree" methods during the course of investigations is, to say the least, highly unwholesome, especially at this juncture when public co-operation with the Police and other Security Forces is of first importance.
Members of the public have co operated extremely well in the elimina tion of Indonesian infiltrators and such the conclusions and Honourable Member has made could only mislead the general public into believing that "third degree" methods are adopted by the Police and thereby bring the Force as a whole into con tempt.

But as I have said, he has qualified himself saying that not the whole Force was guilty.
And here, Sir, while I would like to categorically deny that the Police ever practise any form statements as 4705 15 DECEMBER 1964 4706 of "third degree" methods, it is con ceded that there have been isolated individual police officers cases of abusing their powers by the use of force on persons arrested and detained by them.
Allegations and complaints have been received and where investi gations confirmed the truth thereof, appropriate actions (leading to pro secutions in Court in certain cases) have been taken.

The Government does not permit use of third degree methods, nor would it condone any such high-handed actions by any member of the police and, as such, the need for reforms in the manner investigations are carried out, does not arise.

Question put, and agreed to.

House adjourned at 8.15 p.m. 10567—466—1-6-66.