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Enche' V. David : Sir, planning is very important.

In the speech of the Minister he says his Ministry will be co-ordinating with the Prime Minister's Department on economic planning.

I would suggest that there should be a separate department for this purpose.

We must have figures of unemploy- ment.

If we do not have the correct figures and data, it is impossible for the Government to find a solution to this growing menace.
Sir, unemployment degrades and undermines the integrity, dignity and morale of the youths of this country.

Unemploment can bring largescale destruction to our society.

Mr Chairman : The question of un- employment is not the point at issue.

You have got to be very careful.

Enche' V. David : But the Minister spoke on it.

Mr Chairman : But you should not dwell so long on that question, because that is not the point at issue.

That I must warn you.

Enche' V. David : We have got Employment Exchanges.
Sir, for the registration of the unemployed.

Mr Chairman : Are you going to argue with me?

have not been offered a standard enjoyed by the workers in the urban areas .

This is of urgent concern to a developing country .

While the urban population enjoys a certain standard, the same standard should also be extended to the workers living in estates and the rural areas.
Sir, the estate worker is insecure in his employ- ment ; the conditions are so bad in estates that when thrown out of em- ployment the estate worker has no other alternative except to take his belongings and his family and march towards the Labour Department.

Sir, this state of affairs should discontinue and this can only be discontinued if appropriate legislation is enacted by the Government .

Sir, the estate worker is no more an immigrant labourer.
He is as respectable a citizen as the others are in this country .

He has a right in this country and he plays a great part in the national economy and , rubber being the nation 's live-wire , the workers working in this industry should be provided adequate protection by legis- lation.

Sir, coming to the Labour Depart- ment, some of the workmen 's compen- sation cases have been pending for a year or more.
Cases brought to the Labour Department for appropriate investigation has not been promptly Enche' V. David: I am not arguing dealt with .

There is an attitude prevail- with you, Sir.

Mr Chairman : Please proceed.

ing in certain branches of the Labour Department to push around the com- plainants and delay as far as possible Enche' V. David : Thank you.

So it in dealing with their cases.


Where an is very important for the Government employer should be prosecuted in a to realise the growing mechanisation court, it has not been done so.

They 4545 8 JANUARY 1964 4546 have been very sympathetic towards employers and, as a result, the poor worker has been pushed from pillar to pillar.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I call upon the Minister to look into the reasons for such delays.

I have reasons to believe that the department is not staffed with adequate officers.
If it is so, I call upon the Ministry to find ways and means to provide more staff in the Ministry of Labour, especially in the Labour Department, to cope up with the grow- ing demands made on it in regard to workmen's compensation cases.

If the legislation is to be properly and effec- tively implemented, then there should be enough staff in the Labour Depart- ment.

Sir, the trade unions in this country, and generally the workers in this coun- try, completely oppose compulsory arbitration.
The Government has been considering the introduction of com- pulsory arbitration to prevent strikes.

As far as the trade unions point of view and the workers point of view are concerned, we completely oppose any move by the Government to have compulsory arbitration.

This will take away the right of bargaining on the bargaining table.

It will destroy the growth of trade unions.


We oppose compulsory arbitration because we are fully convinced by past experience that we do not have experienced arbitrators in this country who can sit in arbitra- tion courts and go through a case on industry and trade unions.

Until such time as the Government is in a position to have people with eminent experience on trade unions and industry, it is a dangerous thing to introduce compul- sory arbitration.
The Malayan Trade Union Congress, being the national centre of the workers in this country, have viewed this move with concern and strongly feels that compulsory because the arbitrator in this country is not conversant with the labour laws in this country and industrial problems and his decision, we have found through experience , more or less has been biased and, therefore, we oppose it in the strongest terms and urge that the Government should drop the idea of introducing compulsory arbitration.
Mr Chairman, Sir, the Minister in his speech made reference to the estab- lishment of a Penang Dock Labour Board .

If I remember correctly, Sir, this has been in abeyance for a number of years.

When , in the early stages, the Government agreed to appoint a Wages Council , we rightly pointed out that a Wages Council cannot be a solution to the prevailing factors in the Penang Port .
A properly established Dock Labour Board can only find a solution to the deteriorating situation which has been created by employers and by casual labour in the Port of Penang.

And today , I understand, an expert from the I.L.O.

has arrived .

I do not know how long it is going to take for this expert to make his report.

I call upon the Minister to take early action.


The matter has been hanging for the last four or five years and it is only right that early action is taken to intro- duce a Dock Labour Board whereby all employers and employees can be registered , and casual labour will be absent .

Sir, casual employment , casual and contract labour in the modern era is an evil in our society .

It is not only an evil but it has a far -reaching effect on the moral of the society itself.

Therefore.
Therefore.

I strongly urge the Govern- ment that casual employment should not be allowed to operate; and any employer trying to introduce casual employment should be barred by legislation.

Sir, in Penang the employers have arbitration should not be introduced in taken advantage of the situation by not this country.
Sir, instead of compul- registering the employees , thus the sory arbitration the Government will employees are not contributing towards be doing justice to the workers if it can the Employees Provident Fund.

The introduce protective legislation to the employers in the Penang Port escape workers of this country.
Compulsory arbitration will destroy the existence paying workmen 's compensation and all this state of affairs can only be and the spirit of trade unions in this remedied by a proper National Dock country.

Compulsory arbitration will Labour Board in Penang .

I hope .and drive the workers into frustration I believe the Minister , as he has stated, will act promptly towards this Enche' V. David: Surely, Sir.

Sir, 8 JANUARY 1964 4508 4547 direction.


Mr Chairman, Sir, in this country it is still predominent, especially in the transport industry, to have workers working for 16 to 18 hours.

There are companies which do not introduce 8-hour work, and the workers in that particular industry is unable to orga- nise themselves and as a result the workers are forced to work 16 to 18 hours.

The working conditions are far below the standard enjoyed by workers in other sectors.
It is high time that the Government institute an inquiry into the working conditions and wages in industries where there are long working hours and inhuman working conditions.

As the nation progresses it is only right and fair on the part of the Government to check these unscrupu- lous employers who take advantage of the law which has given them adequate protection.
Mr Chairman, Sir, the Minister in the course of his speech made reference to the social security scheme and the Committee appointed for this purpose, which has already made its report.

Sir, social security is very important especially in a country where you have unemployment: It is important that people can be protected during periods of unemployment, old age and sickness.
This Social Security Committee, if I am correct, has been sitting for quite a long time and has taken a consider- I do not know, even if the report has been made, whether the Government will immediately implement its report to safeguard the workers in this country.

Sir, in this country you do not have a living wage by law; you do not have protection on wages.
So, social security will be a measure which could, at least to a certain degree, pro- vide protection to the workers who are disorganised and who are unable to organise due to the size of their parti- cular industry.

In this respect, Sir, I again appeal to the Minister to move as rapidly as he can to implement the findings of the Committee.

another important factor is about the Employees Provident Fund.
Sir, I understand a well-known establishment in this country has not been contri- buting to the Employees Provident Fund and the Government is not act- ing in accordance with the law to pro- secute this employer, because this employer enjoys a position, and his family is involved in this company.

Mr Chairman, Sir, the Employees Pro- vident Fund is a requirement under the legislation.

It can be anybody the Government should prosecute in any open court if the employer fails to contribute.
I understand the owner of Malayan Times, a leading newspaper in this country, has not been contribu- ting to the Employees Provident Fund.

Action has been taken by the Depart- ment, but the Department has been very reluctant in prosecuting the em- ployer in a court of law.
Mr Chairman, Sir, I call upon the Minister personally to investigate into the matter and, if necessary, to appoint an independent inquiry into the whole system and find out the reasons why this employer was not prosecuted in time for failing to contribute towards the Employees Provident Fund.

Enche' V. Manickavasagam : Sir, this particular subject has already been referred to the court.
I would like to remind this House that the matter is with the court and, as such, it is Mr Chairman : It is sub judice therefore, you are ruled out of order.

Enche' V. David: Thank you very much, Sir.

I am just trying to point out that no Government officer should see that the employer escapes from the law because he is a Minister, or he is related to the Minister.

This would only create malpractice, nepotism and cor- ruption in the Government.
Mr Chairman, Sir, in industrial rela- tions, I am really disappointed that the Government servants have not been offered a fair deal.

Earlier, we under- stood that the Government is appoint- able period in providing its report; and sub judice.

Mr Chairman: I hope you will give ing a Royal Commission to go into the some opportunity to the other Mem- wages and conditions of employment bers to speak.

for the Government servants.


To this 4509 8 JANUARY 1964 4510 date, there appears to be no sign at all for the appointment of this Royal to review this in the light of the present cost of living.

Commission.

Mr Chairman : Order, order.

Under what item you are talking now?

Enche' V. David : Under Industrial Relations, Sir.

Mr Chairman : Industrial Relations is a very wide subject.

If you want to talk on general policy, I must stop you.
We are not concerned with general policy; we are now concerned with the policy of the service for which the money is provided for.

I must warn you that there is a difference between general policy and the policy of the service for which the money is provi- ded for.

You can only appeal or make suggestions.

If you want to start .

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Enche' V. David : Thank you, Sir, I would not be long.
I call upon the Government to state the terms of reference for the Royal Commission and act promptly to satisfy the growing discontentment among the Government servants.

Sir, coming to equal pay, the Government, as I can see, has not adopted a policy of offering equal pay for equal work.

I think this is a matter which concerns the Ministry of Labour, because no person should be paid indifferently for doing equal work.

The question of equal pay has been a long outstanding one.
I know that Members of the Government bench have participated in public rallies supporting this move of equal pay, and I do not know why they do not speak up in this House.

So, I hope that the Government will see that action is taken to provide equal pay for women, as this has already been done in many countries including some Asian coun- tries.
Finally, Sir, even though I disagree completely with the labour policy of the Government, I cannot for a moment say that certain staffs of the Department have not contributed their part they have done very well.

I must congratulate the Commissioner for Industrial Relations, with whom I disagree always, but I cannot say that he has not acted promptly in many cases he has done so.
I disagree completely with the trade union legislation; I disagree with the trade union legislation of 1959; but neverthe- less, I must thank the Registrar of Trade Unions for applying the laws sympathetically, when and where required, even though he has been too harsh at times.

The Department has maintained its status and has acted in a very unbiased manner.
Sir, as I have made earlier reference to the strike in Kelantan by N.E.T.S., I would like to make it known to this House that there has been considerable Police interference, and 60 persons have been charged, and the matter is coming to court.

The Minister being responsible for industrial relations and industries.

I seek his assistance to see that no, interference is made by the Police in an industrial dispute.
Any interference by the Police in an industrial dispute can paint a different picture entirely on the problems of industry and trade dispute.

Therefore, I hope the Minister will take this matter to the National Joint Advisory Board and find an amicable solution to the problem.

Thank you, Sir.
Thank you, Sir.

Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji Arshad (Kuala Trengganu Utara): Tuan Pengerusi, sukachita-lah saya di- sini menarek perhatian Men.teri yang The Minister, Sir, has made some berkenaan is-itu kapada butiran2 yang reference to shop assistants and various councils reports.

It has been laid down di-chatetkan di-dalam muka surat 350 is-itu kapada masaalah penganggoran that $85.00 can be paid to shop assis- di-dalam negeri mi.

Sa-bagaimana tants-according to the Wages Council.


I would like to remind the House that the shop assistants are not satisfied with the $85.00 stipulated in the report, yang di-ketahui apabila penganggoran itu bertambah2 daripada sa-hari ka- sahari di-dalam sa-sabuah negeri, maka berma`ana-fah kemiskinan dan and the whole matter will have to be kemelaratan itu juga bertambah2 di- reviewed,, and I call upon the Minister dalam negeri itu.
Maka ini-lah sate 4511 8 JANUARY 1964 4512 Kementerian, atau Menteri yang sa- benar2-nya yang mempunyal hubongan yang rapat sa-kali dengan gulongan2 yang terbiar dan menganggor itu.

jaan itu susah hendak di-tubohkan di- kampong2, tetapi sa-kurang2-nya, ba- r. angkali dapat di-jalankan kalau sa-kira-nya pada sa-tahun sa-kali Apabila Kementerian ini tidak radical umpama-nya di-adakan, atau di -hantar di-dalam tindakan-nya, maka penyakit rombongan2 Penolong Pesurohjaya penganggoran itu akan bertambah2.
Ada-lah di-ketahui bahawa pada masa ini pun telah di-tubohkan beberapa Pusat Pendaftaran bagi orange yang suka hendak menchari pekerjaan dan bagi orang22 yang men- ganggor di-dalam negeri mi.
Saya faham bahawa pada tahun 1963 yang lalu beberapa Pusat Pendaftaran bagi orange yang menganggor itu telah bertambah lagi beberapa tempat di- bandar2 di-dalam negeri ini, tetapi nyata-lah, Tuan Pengerusi, bahawa sa- kadarkan perchubaan ikhtiar yang telah di-adakan itu nampak-nya tidak-lah nampak untok menolong benar2 bagi mengatasi masaalah pe- nganggoran yang telah bertambah2 pada masa ini, terutama-nya di-dalam kawasan2 di-luar bandar, atau pun di- kampong2 yang jauh daripada Bandar.
Sa-bagaimana yang di-ketahui ada- lah Pusat Pendaftaran bagi orange yang hendakkan kerja itu di-adakan di-bandar2, Jadi boleh di-katakan tidak ada sama sa-kali di-adakan di- kampong2.

Jadi, sa-bagaimana yang di-ketahui bahawa ada-lah menjadi satu kesulitan bagi pemuda2, atau orange yang tinggal di-kampong2 yang jauh2 itu untok mendaftarkan diri-nya bagi mendapatkan pekerjaan2 yang sesuai bagi-nya manakala dia di- kehendaki datang ka-bandar2 yang saperti itu.
Buroh umpama-nya yang bersangkutan dengan pekerjaan ini di-hantar ka- kampong2 untok mendaftarkan nama2 mereka itu umpama-nya , sama-fah saperti pekerjaan hendak mendaftar- kan kerahan tenaga ra`ayat.

Jadi, sa-tahun sa-kali mereka itu pergi ka-kampongz itu, neschaya dengan ini memudahkan orangz kampong dan orange yang menganggor itu.
Walau bagaimana pun, Tuan Penge- rusi , suka-lah juga saya menarek perhatian Menteri yang bersangkutan ini berkenaan dengan nasib, walau pun saya tahu juga bahawa pemuda2 yang bukan Melayu , orang- yang bukan Melayu ada banyak yang menganggor di-dalam negeri ini, tetapi ada-lah di- ketahui bahawa orangz Melayu, pemuda2 Melayu yang pada masa ini ramai sa-kali telah mendaftarkan nama-nya di-dalam Pusat- Pendaftaran penganggoran itu.
Pernah di-siarkan bahawa pada masa ini pun sudah ada lebeh daripada 70,000 orang pemuda2 Melayu yang telah mendaftarkan nama- nya lebeh daripada dua atau tiga tahun di-dalam Pejabat2 Pendaftaran men- chari kerja itu tidak pula mendapat kerja2 yang di-harapkan .

Saya faham bahawa tidak-lah menjadi kewajipan Kerajaan untok memberi kerja kapada sa-tiap orang yang menganggor.
Tuan Pengerusi, muka surat 359, Pechahan Kepala 11 Bantuan kapada Pertubohan Belia Sukarela, dan Saya pernah mendapat sungutan2 Pechahan Kepala 12 Bantuan kapada bahawa mereka yang tinggal di- Badan dan Persatuan Kebajikan.
Jadi, kampong2, mereka yang menganggor yang saya ingin hendak bertanya di- yang tidak mempunyal pekerjaan di- sini is-lah meminta penjelasan kapada kampong2, atau jauh daripada Bandar itu suka benar hendak mendaftarkan Yang Berhormat Menteri sama ada Pertubohan Belia Sukarela , atau pun dan melaporkan diri-nya kapada Pertubohan Pemuda 2 Islam yang bukan Kementerian yang bersangkutan ini, tetapi mereka kata mereka susah hendak pergi ka-bandar2.
Jadi, satu politik maksud saya di-dalam negeri ini sa-hingga pada masa ini, ada-kah mendapat apa2 bantuan daripada per- chara, saya shorkan di-sini kapada tubohan ini, kalau sa-kira-nya ada, Menteri yang bersangkutan, kalau pun saya suka-lah mendapat tahu nama2 untok mendirikan Pusat2 Pendaftaran pertubohan itu, atau pun , kalau tidak bagi mereka yang menganggor itu ia- ada, kalau sa-kira-nya Menteri yang itu yang tidak ada mempunyal peker- bersangkutan ini tidak keberatan, 4513 8 JANUARY 1964 4514 sukachita-lah saga mendapat tahu bagaimana -kah chara2 -nya bagi per- tubohan2 dan apa-kah sifat dan bentok pertubohan yang boleh mendapatkan bantuan daripada peruntokan itu.
Tuan Pengerusi , muka surat 359, Pechahan Kepala 16 Bantuan kapada Persatuan2 Pengakap dan Pandu Wanita.

Saya sukachita-lah menarek perhatian Menteri yang bersangkutan bahawa memang-fah tuj uan sa-suatu organisasi pengakap yang di-tubohkan, yang tidak bersifat politik dan tidak boleh, atau pun di-dalam sa-suatu hal yang tidak berpolitik .
Jadi, kita telah inemberi satu peruntokan yang banyak kapada Persatuan2 Pengakap dan Pandu Wanita ini, maka Yang Ber- hormat Menteri yang bersangkutan hendak-lah mengawal dengan sa -baik2- nya wang ini supaya di-gunakan wang ini benar2 menurut dasar pengakap, oleh kerana telah ada tanda2 bahawa organisasi pengakap ini telah berjalan, sungutan2 telah timbul di-dalam surat2 khabar bahawa apabila sa-orang Pengakap Agong yang baharu telah di- lantek baharu2 ini, maka telah timbul hat' dan kejadian yang oleh sa-tengah orang di-sifatkan bahawa ini ada satu politik telah bermain di-dalam-nya, kerana hendak erti-nya perbuatan yang melanggar tradisi2 dan kebiasaan2 yang sa-lama ini di-amalkan di-dalam Kementerian mi.
Saya tidak tabu sadikit pun benar- kah tudohan itu, tentu-lah Dewan ini akan mendapat penerangan yang jelas dapat menghalang keraguan2 itu.

Tetapi oleh kerana perkara itu telah bagitu heboh susah pula saya mem- perchayai langsong.

Jadi elok-lah Menteri yang bersangkutan mengawal baik2 supaya jangan-lah ragu2 walau pun bagi kawan-nya sendiri yang menjadi pengakap atau apa2 jawatan yang chuba hendak menyalah gunakan wang tahong ini maka dia hendak-lah bertindak tegas dalam perkara mi.
Dato' Haji Sardan bin Haji Jubir: Untok penjelasan, Tuan Pengerusi.

Saya fikir Pesurohjaya Agong Penga- kap tidak di-bayar gaji.

Jadi berapa- kah gaji atau peruntokan ini tidak ada kena-mengena di-sini.

Mr Chairman : Masaalah itu tidak berbangkit.

Tuan Haji Hassan Adli: Tuan Pengerusi, muka surat 345 berkenaan dengan Menteri Buroh.
Sa-bagaimana biasa kita dengar memang-iah ada menjadi to Juan mana2 Kerajaan demokratik ingin melihat tumboh-nya perkembangan sekerja dan trade union yang sehat bagi menolong kehidupan dan kebaikan nasib kaum pekerja2-nya.

Dan menlang-lah sa-lama ini pun Kementerian ini ada berbuat juga sa- suatu, itu pun tidak ada banyak untok kerja2 di-dalam ladang di-negeri mi.
Memang-lah sejak gerakan sharikat sekerja itu di-majukan dalam negeri ini terutama sa-kali peker j a'- di-ladangz yang besar telah mendapat beberapa perubahan nasib mereka dan Bantuan daripada pehak Kementerian mi.

Chuma satu benda yang saya nampak tidak di-buat langsong oleh Kemen- terian ini dan nampak telah di-abaikan atau di-chuaikan tentang pekerja2 pada ladang'- kechil.

Maksud saya ladangz kechil itu is-lah ladangz tuan punya kebun getah, sawah padi, ladang kelapa dan lain2-nya.
Sedangkan di- seluroh negeri ini ada berpuloh2 ribu pekerja di-l adang2 kechil ini yang tidak pernah di-tolong atau pun di- galakkan mereka dengan gerakan sharikat sekerja mi.
Memang untok menolong mereka itu ada initiative tetapi sa-bagai, satu Kementerian yang mempunyai beberapa banyak pegawai2 yang khusus untok memberi pene- rangan dan memberi latehan kapada pekerja2 untok menyusun dan mem- bentok sharikat sekerja yang baik dan sehat dalam negeri ini, maka saya rasa molek-lah sa-kira-nya pada masa2 hadapan ini Menteri yang bersang- kutan dapat mengarahkan pegawai2- nya yang khusus untok melihat dan menentukan dalam menyusun trade union yang sehat.
mi juga perlu-lah pergi ka-ladangz kechil itu mengumpul- kan kaum sekerja itu dan menasihat- kan mereka dengan chara2 menyusun dan membaiki kehidupan mereka menurut gerakan sharikat sekerja itu.

Dato' Haji Sardan bin Haji Jubir: Tuan Pengerusi, saya tadi tidak sebut- kan berkenaan dengan Kesatuan Pengakap Malaya ini, sa-benar-nya 4515 8 JANUARY 1964 4516 saya di-lantek oleh Duli Yang Maha Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda Yang di- Pertuan Agong sa-bagai Pengakap Agong.
Saya beri pengakuan di-rumah Yang Berhormat ini, sa-bagai Penga- kap Agong Tanah Melayu ini memang saya bekerj a rapat dengan Kementerian Buroh yang telah di-tugaskan oleh Kerajaan bagi memberi bantuan dan membaiki pemuda2 yang masok men- jadi pengakap supaya mem.elihara akhlak dan ta`at setia kapada negara dan mempertahankan negeri ini sa- bagaimana motto-nya "be prepared "slap sedia".

Jadi walau pun banyak juga.


bilangan-nya tetapi tidak kurang 44,000 pengakap seluroh Tanah Melayu ini, yang mana baharu2 ini kami daripada Jawatan-Kuasa Pusat Malaya ini telah pun bersidang dan telah mengambil keputusan untok membesarkan lagi.

Saya harap Yang Berhormat dart Kuala Trengganu Utara akan memberi sa-penoh2 kerja- sama is-itu pemuda2 beliau sendiri masok bersama menyokong.

Soal Jawatan tinggi ini tidak bergaji.


Jadi oleh kerana itu saya minta ma`af, tadi saya bangkitkan apabila di-sebut- kan berkenaan dengan lantekan itu.

Kerana di-dalam Kesatuan Pengakap, semua jawatan2 atau perkhidmatan itu ada-lah sa-chara suka rela dan juga dengan atoran dan peratoran-nya.

Mengikut Perlembagaan Kesatuan Pengakap, tiap2 pegawai termasok juga Pengakap Agong-nya, macham saya ini, di-lantek oleh Duli Yang Maha Mulia Raja2 Melayu dan tauliah- nya chuma 5 tahun sahaja.
saya sa-bagai Pengakap Agong ada di- sebutkan had-nya is-itu dua tahun tauliah-nya.

Apabila sampai dua tahun itu akan di-timbangkan lagi dan akan di-fikirkan kalau ada pegawai2 yang kanan dan berkelayakan dia akan mengambil geleran-nya.

Jadi saya harap tidak-lah terkeliru soal2 yang di-bangkit bagitu dan, bagini kerana itu ada dalam tauliah.

Saya harap, Ahli2 Yang Berhormat akan bersama berkhid- mat dalam Kesatuan Pengakap dan juga kesatuan2 suka rela yang lain.
Jadi saya harap-lah perkara itu tidak mengelirukan dan saya memberi peng- akuan, kami memang berkhidmat kapada negara dan kami akan mem- pertahankan negara bersama2 meme- gang senjata.

AN HONOURABLE MEMBER : (Rises).

Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: mi berkenaan dengan transport of workers .. .

Mr Chairman: Kalau Yang Berhor- mat belum habis jangan-lah dudok.

Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Minta ma`af, saya terlupa (Ketawa).

Sekarang saya ingin berchakap dalam bahasa Inggeris.
Sir, the Honourable Member for Bungsar he is not here just now, but anyway he will hear me has men- tioned that the Government is not doing this and the Government is not doing that.
However, as the Minister of Transport of Malaysia, I would draw his attention to the amendment to section 57 of the Road Traffic Ordi- nance as set out in Clause 6, page 3, of the Road Traffic (Amendment) Bill which says : "Section 57 of the principal Ordinance is hereby amended by inserting immediately after paragraph (1) the following new para- graph `(11) to limit the hours of duty of drivers of goods vehicles and to prescribe the conditions of service of such drivers;'" In fact, Sir, I have been asked to give an assurance to this House that, when this Bill hasp been passed by this House and becomes law, my Ministry will be in consultation with the Ministry of Labour.
Sir, the Honourable Member is back now and I hope he will give his co-operation to the Government instead of asking the Government to give something.

In fact, we have given some- thing, and I hope that when the Honourable Member, as the Secretary- General of the Road Transport Union, is called upon to give his views, before the rules and regulations are framed as to how to implement this law, he will do his best to help his fellow workers in the road transport industry.
It is fortunate that when this Amendment Bill was debated, the Member was not present in this House and, probably, this escaped his mind.

So, I would like to say that the Government is not 4517 8 JANUARY 1964 4518 against the workers, but that it is all guidance officer, because we know that the time with the workers, and to ask _ vocational guidance is a very spe- him to give good suggestions on how cialised subject, and to do it well the we.
can best implement the law of road Labour Officer should not only have transport, Sir.

information as to the jobs that are Enche' V. David: Sir, on a point of information.

I would like to clarify certain points .

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Mr Chairman : Not very long !

Enche' V. David: No, Sir.

While appreciating the move on the part of the Government to introduce appro- priate legislation on lorry drivers, I think the same should be extended to bus drivers and conductors.
There are also large numbers of bus firms includ- ing taxi companies or passenger transports, which are not adhering to eight hours' work and the hours of work there have been abnormal sixteen to eighteen hours.

Therefore, I call upon the Minister that the same legislation be extended to all forms of passenger transport so that the workers in the entire transport industry could enjoy the benefits of the law.
l^Ir Chairman: Ahli2 Yang Berhor- mat saya nampak ramai lagi Ahli2 yang hendak berchakap dan mengam- bil bahagian di-dalam masaalah yang ada di-hadapan kita ini.

Tetapi saya chuma hendak mengingatkan perba- hathan di-atas perkara ini hingga 7.34 sahaja.

Jadi, saya merayu-lah kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang hendak berchakap, tolong-lah dengan sa- berapa pendek sadikit supaya memberi peluang kapada orange yang lain yang hendak mengambil bahagian pula.
Enche' Liu Yoong Peng (Rawang): Mr Chairman, Sir, first of all, I want to refer to the Labour Offices under the Ministry of Labour.

I understand that there is now a new function which the Labour Office is doing and that is vocational guidance.
On this matter of vocational guidance, I notice that available, but the officer concerned should also have co-ordination with the workers, with the youths, who are going to seek jobs in the future and, especially, he should have close co-ordi- nation with the people in the big factories.

The Assistant Minister of Labour (Enche' V. Manickavasagam): On a point of clarification, under what Head is he speaking, Sir?

Enche' Liu Yoong Peng Under the' Labour Department he should know under what Head it is.
Mr Chairman : In introducing these estimates just now, the Minister of Labour touched on the general policy and basing on that, T ani afraid.

I have got to allow a certain amount of laxity to Members who want to speak.

Most of the subjects touched on by the Minister of Labour today was on general policy.

That is why I am afraid I have got to allow the Honourable Member to speak.

Enche' Liu Yoong Peng : Thank you very much, Mr Chairman.

This is actually part of the work of the Labour Department.
Mr Chairman : It does not matter.

Please proceed.

Enche' Liu Yoong Peng : As I was saying just now, the vocational guidance officer should have close co-ordination, especially, with the big factories and big commercial companies to see that in these big factories and big companies they too have their own vocational guidance personnel so that the "human element" in these factories and companies are satis- factorily taken care of.
The other all that the officer, responsible for matter, which I have also mentioned, vocational guidance in the Labour Office, does is to compile some information regarding the type of work that may be available in Malaya; and is about the youths who are going to seek jobs in the future.
In this con- nection, the work of a vocational guidance officer should be to co-ordi- I think that this aspect of the work, nate with the schools and the other important as it may be, is not all that places where youths are in abundance.

we should expect of a vocational So far as the schools are concerned, 4519 8 JANUARY 1964 4520 I notice that there is almost a complete in Rawang now, there is no Social lack of co-ordination between the Welfare Office in Rawang.
There is, schools and the Labour Department.

of course, a Social Welfare Officer who Youths who are young need a long is responsible for the Rawang area, time to be trained and when they are but this officer has duties also in the trained it is still not sure whether they can get jobs or not.
Therefore, voca- tional guidance to youths should start very early in life and the ability, aptitude and interests of the youths should be understood and guided quite early in life, so that they can be chan- nelled into useful and creative func- tions in later life when, they seek jobs.

I only want to say so much on voca- tional guidance, because I, do not want to touch too much on policy.
The next thing I want to touch on again regarding the work of the Labour Office is that I wish the Minister to instruct his officers to look into the conditions of service of the workers in the Rawang Cement Factory.

I have heard and I have seen that many workers in that factory are suffering from tuberculosis, and therefore there is a grave situation there.

The Minister of Commerce and Industry (Dr Lim Swee Aun): Is the Honourably Member suffering from tuberculosis too?

(Laughter).
(Laughter).

Mr Chairman : No, he accidently coughed -I am sure of that (Laughter).

Enche' Liu Yoong Peng: Sir, if I go to that factory too often, I may suffer from tuberculosis (Laughter), but at the moment I am quite all right.

Dr Lim Swee Aun : Is it true that he will not stand for election in that constituency again?

(Laughter).

Mr Chairman : Please proceed.

Enche' Liu Yoong Peng: Yes, Sir, I am proceeding (Laughter).
I hope the Minister would take this matter into serious consideration, i.e., to check up the conditions of service of the workers in the Rawang Cement Factory to find out exactly what are the conditions there, because definitely there are many who are suffering from tuber- culosis.

Ulu Selangor area and, therefore, he is stationed at Kuala Kubu and not at Rawang.
I hope the Minister can post an additional officer making him res- ponsible entirely for the Rawang area and having his office at Rawang and not at Kuala Kubu.

This is my special request in view of the fact that I am the Member for Rawang (Laughter).

The next thing I wish to mention also comes under Social Welfare.
We know that the Social Welfare Depart- ment gives grants from time to time to voluntary welfare organisations and charitable organisations, and in this connection in the past few years a grant has been given to the Tong Shin Chinese Maternity Home at Pudu Road in Kuala Lumpur.

But last year-1963-such a grant, which should amount to something like $300,000, was not given; neither was it given this year.
According to rumours, some say the reason why the grant has not been given is because this maternity home has the word "Chinese" on it.

I sincerely hope that this is not the reason for not giving the grant.

It may be an oversight on the part of the welfare sector, and I hope the Minister will see that this grant is given for 1963 (if it is not too late)---and, of course, for this year, as well as in future years too.
Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan Pengerusi, sa-lain daripada me- ngalu2kan Perbelanjaan Kementerian ini saya harap Yang Berhormat Men- teri yang berkenaan supaya mengam- bil langkah yang tegas dan lebeh ber- usaha lagi pada masa yang akan datang.
Sebab-nya, Tuan Pengerusi, soal buroh ini ada-lah satu soal yang penting, dan kita dapat banyak ra`ayat dalam negeri ini berpendapat Parti Buroh (Labour Party) ada-lah satu parti yang membela nasib buroh, tempat mengadu hal dan menchari kerj a. Dalam uchapan Ahli Yang Next I want to speak about Social Berhormat dari Bungsar tadi, kita Welfare Offices.

As I have said be- berpendapat Yang Berhormat itu ada- fore, although there is a Labour Office lah sa-orang jagoh dan pembela buroh.
4521 8 JANUARY 1964 4522 Jadi saya tujukan perkara ini kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri yang ber- kenaan supaya menerangkan kapada ra`ayat, is-itu Kementerian Buroh dengan Parti Buroh ada-lah berlainan, kerana kebanyakan mereka anggap apa juga berkenaan dengan perteling- kahan dan pergadohan serta per- hubongan di-antara maj ikan dengan buroh semua tertumpu kapada Parti Buroh.

Di-dalam Dewan ini juga parti Pembangkang menyuarakan dengan lantang sa-olah2 mereka-lah juara dan pembela buroh.
Saya harap Yang Berhormat Menteri mengarahkan Pe- surohjaya Buroh dan Pesurohjaya Perhubongan membuat perhubongan di-antara maj ikan dengan buroh dan berikhtiar mencharikan kerja orange yang menganggor.

Saya dapat tahu pada 4-8-63 me- ngikut statistics job seekers termasok orang yang mendaftarkan nama-nya di-employment exchange is-lah 70,220 orang dan daripada bilangan ini sa- banyak 20,063 orang ada-lah daripada pemuda pemudi yang berumor 21 tahun ka-bawah.
Jadi pegawai2 yang saya sebutkan tadi hendak-lah ber- sunggoh2 menerangkan kapada pe- gawai2 yang bekerja di-employment exchange, menasihatkan pemuda2 itu dan membuat perhubongan dengan majikan kilang perusahaan dan lain2 supaya pemuda2 yang lulus sekolah pada tiap2 tahun itu dapat pekerj aan.
Tuan Pengerusi, kita ta' mahu melihat pegawai2 ini berkeadaan "passive" sahaja dengan menunggu pemuda2 mendaftarkan diri-nya di-employment exchange, tetapi hendak-lah sa-boleh2- nya pegawai2 ini (active) berikhtiar berhubong dengan gudang2 yang besar sama ada berkehendakkan pekerja untok menolong pemuda2 yang men- daftarkan diri itu.

Tuan Pengerusi, berbalek kapada S. 45 Menteri Buroh dan Kebaj ikan Masharakat.
Hari ini kita dapat tahu dalam Trade Union banyak manusia yang tidak bertanggong-jawab telah pun dapat memasoki Trade Union de- ngan chara menyeludup dan menyibar kan di`ayah2 yang tidak baik kapada pekerja2 yang "innocent" dan mem- buat mereka itu sa-bagai perkakas.

Jadi mereka ini-lah yang menyebab- kan mogok, menghasut dan membuat perkara2 yang tidak di-ingini yang akan membangkitkan huru-hara.

mi bukan semua hanya satu dua orang yang menyeludup masok dalam Trade Union.
Saya berharap Yang Berhormat Menteri ini hendak-lah selalu meng- adakan perundingan supaya pegawai2 yang berkenaan itu menyiasat baik2 dalam Trade Union mi.

Enche' Tan Cheng Bee (Bagan): Mr Chairman, Sir, I would like to speak under Head S. 48, Social Wel- fare, page 359, Sub-head 23, Main- tenance of Homes and Institutions.
Sir, this House will recall the irreparable damage caused to the Hostel in Waterfall Road, Penang, in 1962 as a result of a landslide which smashed a portion of the Hostel and totally damaged the quarters of the House Master without, fortunately, injuring any of the young occupants of the Hostel.

The House Master and his family were also not injured although the House Master lost every- thing valuable in his house.
Sir, I have been told a year ago that the Minister was looking for a site to rebuild the Hostel, but I regret to state that up to date he has not been successful in his quest for a site in Penang.

Sir, these young offenders or young delinquents are now being housed in a part of the Social Welfare building which is situated in the heart of Penang Town, where there are no open grounds for these young offenders or delinquents to have outdoor activities which is so essential to the wellbeing of such children.
Sir, I have also been told that the present habitat of these young offenders is of a temporary nature, but nearly two years have now elapsed and there is still no sign of a new and permanent building to house them.

I do not know how long yet these children are going to be housed in this temporary remand home.

I would therefore ask the Minister to look into this matter seriously and urgently and to seek the co-operation of the State Government to put up a permanent building without any further delay.
Thank you.

4523 8 JANUARY 1964 4524 Enche' Lim Joo Kong (Alor Star): mat Menteri.

Kematian buroh2 Mr Chairman, Sir, in giving my daripada buroh2 Kerajaan, sa-patut- support to these Estimates, I wish to touch on the subject of Social Welfare, under Head S. 48, on page 357, and to request the Honourable the Minister to give Alor Star a fairer share of the expenditure for this Ministry.
Sir, I say this, because Kedah with a nya ada satu perhubongan yang rapat di-antara Pejabat2 Buroh dengan tiap2 Pejabat2 yang lain.

Apa yang telah terjadi, kalau sa-kira-nya buroh2 itu daripada orange yang bukan daripada pegawai2 Kerajaan di-mestikan mem- beritahu ka-Pejabat Buroh atas ke- population of 700,000 was only given matian buroh-nya, tetapi pada ke- $70,000 a year in 1963, that is only an average of only 10 cents per person per year.

So, how much welfare work could we expect to be done?
No matian Kerajaan buroh2 di-dalam Pejabat2 tidak ada perhubongan, akibat-nya buroh2 yang mati di-dalam Pejabat2 Kerajaan itu, ada satu dua wonder every time when I tried to perkara yang terjadi di-mana compen- obtain relief for some unfortunate sations, atau pun sagu hati yang patut families, I was told that there was lack di-bayar kapada buroh2 yang mati itu of funds, although the Social Welfare Officer of my State is most sympathe- ta' dapat di-kelolakan, oleh sebab Pejabat Buroh ini tidak tahu, dan juga tic and quite willing to help.
In some pejabat2 itu tidak memberitahu dengan cases, milk powder and wheat grains Pejabat Buroh ini, dan bila warith2- contributed by friendly nations were given, but I regret to say that, al- though the donors of such gifts are nya, atau pun anak2 dan janda-nya hendak menuntut kerugian, kerana kematian buroh ini tadi, bila di-tulis very kind indeed, our people prefer kapada Pejabat Buroh, Pejabat Buroh rice and salt fish.
Looking at the Estimates, a sum of $2,038,362 is to be spent on personal emoluments but a sum of $4,464,283 only is to be spent on social welfare services.

Therefore, I consider the sum spent on the social welfare services of our country is hopelessly inadequate, and I strongly recommend that more should be given and allocated to this Ministry.
Another subject that I wish to touch on under Head S. 46 is in respect of the Labour Office in Alor Star, which is still being housed in the Japanese stable where they kept their horses during the war.

Therefore, I feel, Sir, that Alor Star has not been fairly treated in this respect.
I am afraid the Socialist Front might in the coming general elections exploit this issue to hit at the Alliance Government for discrimination against this Govern- ment Department, if the Honourable Minister failed to look into this matter as soon as possible.

Enche' Mohamed Yusof bin Mahmud (Temerloh): Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka hendak berchakap ber- hubong dengan perkara kematian buroh2 ka-pengetahuan Yang Berhor- kata mereka tidak menerima aduan, atau pun kenyataan daripada pejabat2 itu.
Jadi, rasa saya, kalau dapat satu chara di-mestikan tiap2 pejabat itu memberitahu kapada Pejabat2 Buroh atas kematian buroh2-nya supaya dapat di-kelolakan dengan chepat atas segala tuntutan kerugian berkenaan dengan buroh2 mi.

Yang kedua, kematian buroh2 yang bukan daripada pegawai2 Kerajaan, is-itu buroh2 yang di-gaji oleh penggaji.
Di-sini selalu mendapat kelambatan tentang insurance2 untok membayar, yang patut di-bayar sa-bagaimana yang di-janjikan di-dalam policy2 insurance itu tadi, oleh sebab Pejabat Buroh ini tidak ada kuasa terus berunding dengan tiap2 insurance itu.

Apa yang telah terjadi, Pejabat Buroh dia be- runding dengan penggaji dan penggaji berunding pula memin.ta di-bayar daripada insurance-nya itu.
mi akan mengambil masa yang panjang, sebab saya telah dapati dua tiga perkara yang telah terjadi, bila saya menyi- asat, saya dapati kata Pejabat Buroh mereka tidak ada kuasa terus hendak berunding, berutus2 dengan insurance2 penggaji2 itu.

Jadi, rasa saya, kalau di-buat satu chara yang si-penggaji ini apabila mengambil 4525 $ JANUARY 1964 4526 insurance2 untok buroh-nya di-boleh- kan, di-kuasakan Pejabat Buroh terus berunding dengan insurance2 itu.
Jadi, itu datang daripada Kuala Bra, ter- paksa-lah mereka pergi ka-Bentong, pergi baleh dengan memakan belanja dengan chara ini, saya fikir akan dapat dekat $10.

Jadi, dengan, chara pos dan lagi chepat pembayaran2 itu, dan j uga tidak-lah boleh insurance2 ini menchari helah untok hendak melambatkan bayaran2 itu, dan menchari helah pula supaya jangan di-bayar-nya.
Jadi, rasa saya, kalau dapat Pejabat Buroh ini mengadakan satu undang2 yang tegas, Sian dengan chara ini akan dapat menyelesaikan chara2 insurance ini, rasa saya tentu-lah akan dapat lebeh chepat dan kita tidak-lah berasa susah Kati kapada orang yang patut dapat menerima sagu2 hati daripada kematian buroh2 itu.

Yang ketiga, Tuan Pengerusi, ber- kenaan dengan pendaftaran bagi orange yang hendak menchari kerja.
Apa yang telah terjadi sekarang, Pejabat2 Buroh mendaftarkan orange ini, dia chuma di-kehendaki pula, orange yang mendaftar itu membaha- rui pendaftaran-nya pada tiap2 satu bulan.
Jadi, rasa saya, ini masa yang pendek dan ini akan menyusahkan pula orange yang hendak menchari kerja itu datang pula kapada pejabat itu untok membaharul balek pendaf- taran-nya itu, terutama sa-kali di-tem- pat saya, tidak ada tempat pendaf - taran ini, kerana terpaksa-lah mereka itu pergi ka-Bentong dan ini akan mengambil masa yang panjang dan memakan belanja.

Lagi satu perkara, rasa saya, kalau di-panjangkan masa umpama-nya enam bulan nama-nya hidup di-dalam pendaftaran itu.
Jadi, rasa saya ini akan menyenangkan lagi buroh2 yang meminta kerja mi.
Dan lagi oleh sebab di-tempat saya itu tidak ada tempat pendaftaran, dan saya perchaya-lah Kerajaan hendak mengadakan satu Pusat Pendaftaran itu akan mengambil perbelanjaan yang banyak, patut- lah satu chara yang senang pula yang saya fikir is-itu di-bolehkan pen- daftaran2 ini berunding terus dengan surat dan di-hantar borang2 yang chara bersurat ini, rasa saya akan menyenangkan lagi orange yang hendak menchari kerja itu dengan melalui Pusat2 Pendaftaaran mi.
Dan lagi, Tuan Pengerusi, saya nampak sekarang Pejabat2 Kerajaan tidak menggunakan Pusat2 Pendaf ta- ran ini sa-ratus peratus.

Ada masa- nya, ada Pejabat yang dia suka hendak menggunakan, dia gunakan.

Ada sa- paroh-nya dia ketepikan, kerana dia hendak memileh buroh2 yang mereka suka.
Jadi, rasa saya tentu-fah sa- sudah kita ada pusat ini, sudah ada nama2 buroh yang hendak menda.pat- kan kerja itu hendak-lah di-wajibkan bagi tiap2 Pejabat2 Kerajaan itu mesti-+lah mengambil buroh2-nya dari- pada pusat2 itu tadi.
Ini telah terja.di di-tempat saya, Tuan Pengerusi, banyak buroh2- kasar yang mendaftarkan nama di-pusat2 itu tidak dapat masok be- kerja di-dalam Pejabat2 Kerajaan, tetapi saperti Pejabat Kerja Raya sanggop mengambil buroh2 daripada luar daripada tempat saya, umpama- nya dari negeri Perak, dari Pulau Pinang dan sa-bagai-nya terus di- ambil bekerja dengan pejabat2 itu.
Jadi saya fikir kalau kita sudah ada satu pusat di-mestikan ma`ana- nya supaya mereka datang mendaf- tarkan itu lebeh berguna untok menggunakan pusat2 itu.

Jikalau sa- kira-nya ada pejabat2 Kerajaan yang mengenepikan itu, jadi saya rasa tentu-lah perbuatan kita mengadakan pusat ini tidak memberi faedah.
Jadi saya harap kapada Menteri Yang Berhormat supaya mengadakan` tiap2 pejabat gunakan-Iah pusat2 pendaftar burgh ini dan tempat2 buroh2 kechuali yang ada pengalaman yang tidak 'dapat daripada tempat itu saya rasa tidak- lah mereka itu khuatir boleh meng- ambil buroh di-luar daripada tempat 1tu.

Lagi satu, Tuan Pengerusi, saya telah di-ator dan apa kehendak2-nya hendak berchakap berkenaan dengan itu di-isikan oleh peminta2 kerja ini hal Welfare Department.
Ini sate tadi, dan ta' payah-lah lagi yang me- pejabat saya rasa sangat berat tang- reka2 itu terpaksa, umpama-nya di- gong-jawab-nya dan patut-lah pejabat tempat saya, kalau sa-kira-nya buroh2 ini meluaskan lagi perkhidmatan-nya 4527 8 JANUARY 1964 452S ia-itu memberi pertolongan2 kapada orang yang betul2 berkehendakkan per tolongan.

Kita nampak di-negeri kita ini pengemis terlampau banyak.

Patut lah saya rasa dalam Social Welfare ini adakan satu pegawai khas memerhati kan pengemis2 ini.
Di-bandar Kuala Lumpur ini yang saya rasa tentu-lah memalukan Kerajaan kita, kerana banyak pengemis2 itu di-bandar2.

Pada hal kita ada pegawai2 yang boleh menolong mereka dan boleh menem patkan mereka itu.

Yang sudah2 kita rayu sahaja jadi sudah sampai masa nya kita legislationkan atau kita undang2kan boleh mereka2 ini kita di tempatkan di-satu tempat supaya tidak menjadi pengemis2 lagi.

Di-dalam lawatan saya ka-negeri2 yang maju, saya tidak menengok pengemis2 ada berkeliaran di-lorong2 dan sa-bagai nya.
Sebab saya rasa di~sini kita tidak ada satu Undang2 khas yang kita boleh menempatkan mereka;i dan kita jaga dengan elok-nya.

Jadi rasa saya ini lah tiga perkara yang saya pandang penting dapat Menteri Yang Ber hormat ini memikirkan dan menchari jalan apa-kah chara untok menyel~ai­ kan supaya memuaskan hati.

Bagitu juga dalam negeri saya ber ini, kenaan dengan Social Welfare kalau sa-puchok surat itu di-jawab terlampau lambat.
Saya menunjokkan satu kes di-mana Menteri Muda yang telah datang di-tempat saya dan dengan nasehat Menteri Muda itu sa orang telah meminta bantuan daripada Social Welfare ini dan telah meng ambil masa satu tahun 7 bulan.

Bila saya ulangkan surat itu, datang-lah pegawai itu memereksa dengan serta merta-nya kemudian-nya mengatakan, "kamu tidak berhak menerima ban tuan".
Jadi saya rasa, perkara ini tudohan daripada orang mendapat tidak ada ini ramai yang pejabat menjalankan tugas-nya dengan betul dan tidak bertimbang rasa.

Kalau mengambil satu tahun 7 bulan hendak mengatakan orang ini tidak mampu, pada hal orang ini telah di-siasat oleh sa-orang Menteri Muda .Pembangunan Luar Bandar yang datang ka-tempat itu dan di-suroh pula orang itu pergi menemui pegawai daerah di-tempat itu.
Tetapi apabila sa-tahun baharu-lah perkara itu sampai dan saya ulangkan balek sampai-lah pegawai itu dalam tempoh satu minggu sahaja dan dia mengatakan, "oh, orang ini tidak layak menerima bantuan".

Jadi saya sangat susah hati dalam hal pejabat ini, sa kian.

Enche' Tan Phock Kin: Mr Chair man, Sir, the Honourable Member for Seberang Tengah appears to be very concerned over the association of the word "labour" with the Labour Depart ment.
For his information, I must tell him that the association is more a liability to us than an asset.

Never has the word "labour" been so mis used as to describe this Department as the Labour Department.

As my Honourable friend from Bungsar has pointed out, it will be more appro priate if we call it "the Employers~ Department"; perhaps, in Malay you can call it "Kementerian Majikan".
It will be a more appropriate descrip tion, if we take the activities and the policy of the Ministry into considera tion-its activities during the past ten years since the Alliance came int<> power and the very little the Ministry did for this the working class country.

in find employment The Honourable Minister of Labour pointed out that efforts were being made to train workers for jobs in various fields.
In this respect, Sir, I would like to refer the Minister to a similar school that was started many years ago to train people to become tractor drivers.

Hundreds of people joined this school to be trained as drivers for tractors.

But in the end it was found that the Government could the not students who graduated this particular school.

Later on, the school was disbanded, and hundreds of graduates of this school had to go back to their kampongs without being able to :find jobs.
This, Sir, is an example of the lack of planning on the: part of the Government, because the question of employment is not simply a question of training skilled .people: fo:rr a particular job.

long as the Govetnment pursues a policy of free enterprise~ employment will only be provided in for all from Sir, so , 4529 8 JANUARY 1964 4530 fields where people can make profits.
Employment is not based on the desire of the employers to provide employ· ment benefits but merely on the purpose of making profits for them· selves-if there is any profit in any particular field, there will be employ ment and, if there is no profit, there will be no employment.

So, it is a problem, which I am afraid, even with the enthusiasm and goodwill of the Minister concerned, cannot be solved if the overall policy of the Government is based on private enterprise.
Sir, it is a pity that so enthusiastic a Minister can do very little to help the working class.

In this respect, we must say that a lot of good work done by the Minister is often undone by his Assistant and by the other Members of his Party-it is because there are some contradictions.

The Minister has given an assurance to this House, and publicly too, that he is not going to allow political considerations to come into play as far as his Ministry is concerned.
But if we look at the policy and the performances of his Ministry, we will discover that its every move, every step, is motivated by political considerations and particularly at this juncture when elections are only a few months off.

Many steps taken by the Government under the guise of helping the people are motivated by political considerations.

I refer here, Sir, parti· cularly to the activities of the Depart ment of Social Welfare.

Anybody reading the newspapers.


will discover that if there is a national disaster somewhere, the Social Welfare Depart ment, as a point of policy, will have to use public funds to assist victims of such disaster.

We have no quarrel over that, Sir, but we feel that it is wrong for the Department to allow politicians.

active politicians.

in the various local levels to distribute such money as if they are political funds.

A very glaring example ,41 Penang.


Nobody would have quarrelled with the Department.


or with the Minister, if a ruling was mad~ that it would be proper for the such to distribute Chief Minister money when a national disaster occuITed outside the municipal limits, and that if it occurred within the municipal limits, it would be appro priate-if it is the desire to appoint somebody who is a representative of the people in that particular area-to appoint perhaps the Mayor of the city of George Town to distribute such funds.
But such is not the case, Sir.

In every instance where such national disaster occurs within the city limits.

or outside the city limits, it is always the Chief Minister or somebody who holds an important position in the local level of the Alliance who distri butes such funds, and in every case the impression is created that it is the Alliance Party that is responsible for such a distribution.

This use of public funds for political purpose is, I say..~ Sir, most deplorable.

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l Secondly, Sir, another instance whichl1" happened recently was the giving of assistance to people who faced un employment iq.

the light of Indonesian confrontati9n.


· It was, I think, during the op~rrlng of this P¥liament that I approached the Minister of Labour in this House itself with regard to what steps he proposed to take in regard to unemployment, as a result of the J'ndonesian confrontation, and his reply to me at that time was that he was at the time working out plans and he would make his plans public in due course.
However, Sir, during the interim period, whether it was due to specific instructions from him or perhaps from his Assistant, political action was taken in George Town to give the impression that the so-called M.C.A.

leaders were taking steps to apply pressure on the Minister to give assistance to these unfortunate people.
This, Sir, is ano ther glaring example and I hope that the Minister will give clarification on this point and tell us categorically that he is not responsible for this most undesirable action on the part of the local leaders of the Alliance and that he will on no account allow his Ministry to be used by politicians for political purposes.

I think that assur ance is needed in this particular House.
However, Sir, apart from the politi cal use of the Department by unscru the pulous politicians, I must the that as Minister here unfortunate people, who are faced with tell far as 45 31 8 JANUARY 1964 4532 unemployment, are concerned, the giv- without any strings attached, and it ing of $15 temporary relief to them is inadequate.

The Minister must realise that this is a very simple matter.

It is must be assistance given objectively to render help to the working class.
I hope the Minister concerned will give not a matter that requires research; this matter his serious consideration.

it is not a matter that should take such a long time to come to some conclusion.

He must realise that in Singapore such workers were promised six months' earnings-one-third of their total earnings and I do not see any reason why the Federation Govern- ment should not do likewise.
After all, these people are not unemployed be- cause of their own choosing; they are unemployed because of the unenlight- ened foreign policy of the Government.

It is the Government's responsibility.

People in this category should not be compared with the unfortunates who are receiving aid from the Social Wel- fare Department.
Assistance from the Social Welfare Department is a matter of right for any unfortunate people in this country, who do not have the opportunity of being able to earn their living, but as far as this category of people are concerned they are able and willing to earn their living.

They actually had jobs before the confronta- tion was started, and I feel that the Government should not merely com- pensate them but should also find alternative employment for them.
They have the right to demand it and I think it is obligatory on the Government to assist them in this manner and not to merely treat them as social welfare cases.
In the field of the trade union move- ment, we have heard the Minister time and again expressing his desire to In conclusion, Sir, I would like to tell the Minister concerned that, as my Honourable friend the Member for Bungsar has stated, his endeavour to assist the working class is appreciated by them, but we would like to see that he pursues his objective with more vigour; and he should not allow any obstacles to come his way, be they the obstacles of a fellow member of his Party, because trade union work and working for the working class is a very unpleasant job, particularly if you have to pursue your work in the company of capitalists.
The conflict of interests is real and if the Minister is going to pursue his efforts honestly and sin- cerely, I feel that he must have the courage and the conviction to remove all obstacles that are in his way.

Enche' Geh Chong Keat (Penang Utara).

Mr Chairman, Sir, I would like to speak on Supply Head 48, Social Welfare.
Under this Head, Sir, I would like to compliment the Minister and the Assistant Minister for the interests and progress made under their capable leadership together with the staffs of their Ministry.

Sir, after hearing from the Member for Tanjong, I could not help making some observations on his speech.

As I have said before, what can the Govern- ment side expect from the Members of the Opposition especially the Socialist Front.
From the speech of the Member for Tanjong, he was trying to sow seeds assist, but I would like to refer him to of discord between the Ministers; that one aspect of trade union work in which the Government can render very good assistance , and that is the estab- is always the case with the Socialist Front.

They thrive on sowing seeds of discontentment and dissension in the lishment of a Labour Research Section.

country.
Sir, the Member for Tanjong This particular Section can do work is really a wet blanket, in spite of all pertaining to assisting trade unions in putting up their cases for trade dispute by doing the necessary research and in the field of law , because as the Minister himself is aware many trade unions have inadequate facilities to provide themselves with legal experts and it is in this field that the Government can the good work that the Government and the Ministers and Assistant Minis- ters have done in their respective Departments.
As I have stated in this House before, no matter how well the Government plays its part in dis- charging its responsibility and sacred duty to the public, we can never expect render assistance .

It must be assistance bouquets from the Socialist Front.

4533 8 JANUARY 1964 4534 They from the very beginning have vouched or agreed to disagree with the Government.

Enche' V. David : On a point of order, Standing Order 36 (1).

Does the estimates contain bouquets?

The Member is completely irrelevant, Sir.


The Minister is there to reply at a later stage to any Member who has made any criticisms.

I hope the Member will confine his speech to the subject under discussion.

Mr Chairman: I think he is allowed to answer what has been said by the Honourable Member for Tanjong.

Enche' V. David : I think the Minister is there to reply, Sir.
Enche' Geh Chong Keat : Mr Chair- man, Sir, the Member for Tanjong gave the impression to this House that at the beginning of this Budget debate, he approached the Minister and enquired about what steps the Government is taking to assist the workers in Penang, who are affected by this confrontation.

Sir, as I have said, they have always tried to mislead and they have never done anything concrete.
For the infor- mation of this House, Sir, I would like to say that as soon as confrontation sets in, and the problems and the sufferings of the workers came to the notice of the Government and members of the Alliance, the M.C.A.

of Penang took up the matter.

Senator Cheah Seng Khim of the Upper House, wrote to the Minister informing him of the plight of the workers that was many days ahead of Parliament session.
Sir, we are very grateful to the Government and the Ministers for the best and efficient service that the staff have at- tended to the cases.

Besides the Govern- ment, members of the Acheh Traders Association through their President, Mr Chan Hoe Chooi, rendered very valuable assistance to sort out the cases of workers affected by this conf ronta- tion.

Sir, what can we expect from Members from the Socialist Front.
We also know that the first instalment was paid out at $15 and we have also made an appeal to the Minister to find ways and means to increase this financial aid or temporary relief to help the workers and their families to pull through this period of confrontation.

We hope this relief is not only for three months but the Minister will extend it as long as there is confrontation and as long as the workers and their families are affected.
We have also made appeals to the Ministers and the Penang Chief Minister has also found ways and means to obtain employment for them, and also try to channel through the Federal Department assistance of find- ing land for them to work on.

Sir, we are carrying on our best to help these workers who are affected and their families and it should not be implied, as the Socialist Front Member for Tanjong has implied, that it was he who has brought it to the notice of this House.
Incidentally, Sir, this area where this thing is happening is in his own constituency, i.e., Tanjong, and I feel that he is trying to mislead, be- cause he has not done much for his constituents and he is trying to switch round by saying something in this House.

Sir, there is one comment from the Member for Tanjong which I must not miss.

He mentioned about the handing out of aids through the Chief Minister, Penang, instead of the Mayor, because in the City Limits it should be through the Mayor.
Sir, the Chief Minister is the Head of a State, of the State of Penang.

Isn't he the proper person to represent the Government?

Sir, there are many things which the City Council through its Mayor, the previous Mayor, had done which -I am sure the Press will bear with me are more political than his civic-conscious duty to his City dwellers.

Sir, I would like to switch on to another subject, that is Homes for the aged.
Sir, in Penang it has always been a song sung (by the Mayor) that Penang is a clean city, it is a very prosperous city, and the City Mayor will discharge his duties in looking after the citizens under his care, but yet we find a lot of beggars.

Sir, I appeal to the Minister, if the Mayor cannot discharge his duties, to give him assistance.

Sir, we have a few Homes, Sir, Old and Aged in Penang.
Some are sup- ported by missionaries, and we have 4535 8 JANUARY 1964 4536 one that is being supported by the State Department the Jubilee Home.
I would like to appeal to the Minister to make provision to accommodate more of these aged people and to Mr Chairman : Ahli2 Yang Ber- hormat, mengikut masa yang di- untokkan bagi Kementerian ini hingga sampai pukul 7.30 minit sahaja, dan saya terpaksa-lah juga akan memberi increase the allowance or financial peluang kapada Menteri ini sa-kurang2- assistance to the Jubilee Home and other Homes for the old and aged.
Sir, in regard to social welfare, Penang is lucky to have public spirited men and women, who come out to work on a voluntary service basis.

Many of them, have discharged their voluntary service well and very creditably and some have received Government and public recognition.

Here, I wish to maintain one in parti- cular and he is the Secretary, Enche' Lim Chong Hai, who as Secretary of the State Welfare Committee has dis- charged his duties very well.
But, un- fortunately, his work and the work of the Committee has been hampered by lack of funds.

I would, under this allocation of funds, appeal to the Minister not to forget Penang.

It is very densely populated, and in a place, where the population is very dense you have a lot of social welfare cases to attend to, including aid required by the aged people.

Before I sit down, Sir, I would like to reply to a little portion of what the Member for Tanjong had said.
Sir, he had not paid the Government any compliment, but I am not sure that, if given the chance, that the Opposition or the Socialist Front should succeed to be the Government, they could discharge their duties just as well as the Alliance Government which has carried on for so many years.

I would like to give one example.

During the Eastern Smelting strike, members of the Socialist Front were very active.

They led the strikers and they misled the workers to strike.
What happened during the strike-- what was the outcome?

Had they done anything to help them?

The sufferings of these workers and clerks have yet to be told.

Therefore, I say that given the opportunity to do their duty for those who have faith in them, they have failed them very, very miserably.

Enche' V. David : (Rises).

nya 20 minit untok menjawab sega.la hujah2, atau menjawab soal2an yang di-datangkan oleh pehak2 yang ber- kenaan.
Jadi, saya juga merayu ka- pada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat minta-lah berchakap sa-berapa pendek supaya dapat di-habiskan perkara ini sa- belum pukul 7.30.

Che' Khadijah binti Mohd.

Sidek (Dungun): Tuan Pengerusi, di-dalam soal ini, saya akan mengambil baha- gi an pada muka 359 is-itu tentang hal Penyenggaraan Kanak2 yang tinggal di-luar a.tau di-Rumah Ke- luarga Angkat.
Di-sini, saya lihat anggaran pada tahun 1963 ada di- adakan peruntokan sa-banyak $45,000 tetapi peruntokan untok tahun 1964 hanya di-adakan sa-banyak $40,000 jadi lebeh kurang daripada tahun 1963.
Saya berasa, di-sini soya meminta supaya peruntokan ini harus di-tambah lebeh banyak, kerana mungkin, barang- kali Penyenggaraan Kanak2 yang tinggal di-luar di-maksudkan bagi anak2 yang ada di-dalam rumah ke- bajikan itu dan ada orange dari luar yang mahu mengambil anak2 itu, dan bila anak2 itu di-bawa ka-luar, maka di-beri perbelanjaan kapada orang yang menjaga anak2 yang di- ambil dari rumah kebajikan itu, tetapi Saya meminta di-sini, mungkin juga ada bantuan2 yang di-berikan kapada anak2 yang tinggal di-luar erti-nya anak2 orange yang miskin yang ibu bapa-nya tidak ada ber- kemampuan, mithal-nya pertolongan daripada kebajikan masharakat untok pembelian buku2 bagi anak2 yang hendak belajar, tetapi tidak mampu ibu bapa-nya membelikan-nya.
Jum- lah murid2, atau anak2 lebeh dari kalangan bumi putera sa-jati anak2 Melayu dari negeri ini, saya merasa sangat banyak jumalah-nya dan hares lebeh banyak lagi bantuan yang hendak di-berikan kapada anak2 yang sa- demikian rupa.
Jadi, untok memberi bantuan, atau Penyenggaraan bagi kanak2 yang tinggal di-luar itu, saya 4537 8 JANUARY 1964 45 3 8 berharap kapada Kementerian yang berkenaan supaya lebeh lagi akan memberi bantuan-nya kapada anak2 Melayu yang ibu bapa-nya yang miskin, kadang2 bapa-nya sudah meninggal, tinggal-lah si-ibu dengan tuj oh, Japan atau sembilan orang anak-nya yang harus di-kendalikan oleh si-ibu itu sendiri untok pakaian dan makanan-nya, serta buku2 kalau anak2 itu belajar di-bangku sekolah.
.Jumlah ini, Tuan Pengerusi, di-seluroh Persekutuan Tanah Melayu, saya rasa puloh ribu anak'- yang mengharapkan bantuan daripada kebajikan masha- rakat dan lagi di-dalam ranchangan2 luar bandar juga orange yang meng- ambil bahagian di-dalam ranchangan2 luar bandar itu terhad, hanya di-beri sa-bagai Wang pinjaman daripada Kerajaan satu hari untok satu orang bapa is-itu sa-banyak $2.94 sen, :sedangkan mereka itu ada mempunyai anak2 yang ramai di-bangku sekolah, lah di-ambil daripada anak jati, atau orange Melayu dalam negeri ini, tetapi kalau di-pereksa terhadap kilang2, atau perusahaan2 perintis yang ada ini, Tuan Pengerusi, saya rasa tidak ada sepuloh persen kaum buroh, atau pekerja2-nya yang terdiri daripada anak2 Melayu.
Ada perusahaan2 itu pada mula-nya menerima beberapa puloh orang mithal-nya pemuda2 Melayu, tetapi di-dalam satu dua bulan dengan bermacham2 jalan, satu demi satu di-berhentikan pemuda2 kita daripada perkerjaan-nya dan di- gantikan dengan orange asing, Tuan Pengerusi, atau orang yang sa-kaum dengan mereka2 yang menjadi majikan di-tempat2 itu.

mi sangat-lah me- nyedehkan terhadap pemuda2, atau pemudi2 Melayu yang bekerja di- kilang2, atau di-perusahaan2 itu.
Ada yang mengatakan sa-hingga ga ji mereka itu kalau sa-kira-nya dan ini j uga di-harap bagi pehak dari pehak pemuda asing mendapat Kementerian Kebajikan Masharakat $4.50 satu hari tetapi pemuda atau ini supaya d apat mengadakan penyia- pemudi2 kita hanya di-berikan gaji satan bagi orange yang mengambil $2.50 atau $3.00 lain buku-nya untok bahagian di-dalam ranchangan2 luar ga ji bagi mereka itu.
Ini' rungutan dari Bandar ini supaya anak2 mereka yang pemuda pemudi anak Melayu dan bersekolah itu jangan terlantar pela- sangat-Iah menyedehkan, Tuan Pe- j aran mereka itu, dan dapat-Iah hendak- ngerusi.

Mereka ini tidak ka-mana nya dari pehak Kementerian ini hendak mengadu kalau mengadu pun memberikan bantuan untok membeli mengadu-lah kapada Wakil2 Ra`ayat buku2 bagi anak2 mereka itu untok yang dapat menyuarakan di-tempat meneruskan pelajaran-nya di-dalam yang bertuah ini dan saya minta-lah sekolah2.
Di-dalam muka 350 is-itu.

Pesuroh- jaya Buroh yang ada perhubongan dengan perusahaan is-itu bahagian Buroh.

Di-sini juga saya merayu ka- pada pehak Kementerian Buroh supaya mengadakan penyiasatan2 di-dalam kilang2 perusahaan taraf perintis yang ada di-dalam negeri kita mi.
Berapa banyak buroh2 yang di-ambil daripada pemuda2 Melayu, sebab kebanyakan-nya majikan2 daripada perusahaan2 taraf perintis itu hanya mengambil sharat2, atau melakukan sharat2 yang di-berikan oleh Kerajaan kapada mereka itu, sa-olah2 melepas- kan batok di-tangga sahaja.
Kalau kapada pehak Kementerian demi kepentingan untok mengurangkan penganggoran2 dari anak bangsa Melayu dan demi untok melateh anak2 kita supaya dapat taraf pereko^nomian atau bekerj a dengan orange asing dalam negeri kita ini, saya minta-lah kapada pehak Kementerian ini supaya pehak Kementerian mengambil penyia- satan dan menuntut kapada majikan dalam tar.
of perintis itu supaya sunggoh2 mereka melihatkan is-itu kesuchian hati atau yang mengatakan ta`at setia kapada negeri kita Malaysia ini yang mereka i_tu mahu bahu membahu dengan anak jati negeri ini, bagi orang kita Melayu dan hendak-Iah mereka itu membuktikan sa-kira-nya kita menghendaki sa- dengan kerja2 yang di-berikan kapada kurang2-nya 51 orang dari tiap2 100 prang buroh yang bekerja di-dalam pemuda dan pemudi anak Melayu dalam tanah ayer-nya, sa-kian, Tuan kilang2, atau perusahaan itu hendak- Pengerusi.
4539 8 JANUARY 1964 4540~ Enche' Abdul Ghani bin Ishak (Melaka Utara ): Saya akan mengambil dua tiga minit berchakap di-dalam Ke- menterian Buroh dan Kebajikan Masha- rakat mi.

Sa-belum saya berchakap saya menguchapkan tahniah kerana kerja yang telah di-jalankan oleh Kementerian ini chukup baik.
Saya berchakap ini kerana saya, mendengar wakil^ dari Tanjong dan wakil sa-belah Socialist Front yang kebanyakan-nya ada menyindir bahawa Kementerian ini nampak-nya patut di-ubah nama-nya kapada Kementerian Majikan kerana tidak menjalankan tugas-nya yang sa-benar.

Tetapi apa yang saya tahu, Tuan Pengerusi, segala kerja2 yang telah di-buat berhubong dengan ke- ba jikan buroh daripada apa.

benda pun saya rasa Kementerian ini telah pun menjalankan tugas-nya dengan baik.
Tetapi dukachita sadikit hal yang hendak di-nafikan oleh party Socialist Front atau pun party Buroh itu, apa yang telah di-gunakan sa-lama ini memang boleh jadi kebamaran.

Saya telah berchakap dua tahun, hendak- lah kita pangsa2kan Union Labour Party dengan Labour Union.

Sebab saya sendiri telah di-katakan; di-tempat saya ada orang tidak faham ber- kenaan dengan party ini dia pakai badge, kemudian saya kata, "ini apa?"

Dia kata, "ini Labour Union", pada hal tandok lembu.
Jadi nyata dengan terang2 perkara ini terjadi dalam party mi.

Sa-lain daripada itu baharu2 ini di- dalam pilehan raya mithal-nya memang dia mengat.akan ini-lah dia party Buroh orange makan gaji ini- lah dia party-nya.

Yang sa-benar-nya, Tuan Pengerusi, dia tidak pernah cherita polisi party-nya.

Jadi; saya ada- lah tidak bersetuju dengan apa yang di-nafikan oleh wakil dari Tanjong tadi.
Kemudian dalam pada itu wakil Tanjong ini mengatakan bahawa Kementerian ini tidak berguna dan sekarang pula dia merayu kapada Kementerian kalau ada bantuan ka- Pulau Pinang, tolong-lah beri kapada Data' Bandar menyampaikan-nya.

Jadi IIli ganjil benda yang di-katakan tidak berguna itu tetapi dia hendak benda itu di-sambut dan di-jadikan modal party-nya hendak mengambil; nama.

Saya rasa tentu-lah bagi pehak kita tidak terpengaroh atas.

rungutan2 daripada pehak party2 Buroh ata.u dari Socialist Front mi.
Bagi pehak saya di-Melaka nampak nya hal huroh ini telah di-jalankan dengan sempurna kerana banyak penganggor2 yang di-beri bantuan ber- ker ja sama ada daripada majikan atau di-tempat Tentera yang ada di Melaka banyak-lah bantuan di-dapati daripada Kementerian mi.

Satu perkara yang saya hendak sebutkan di-sini, sa-belum saya dudok kerana saya katakan tadi tidak hendak berchakap banyak, is-itu berkenaan dengan bantuan kechemasan daripada Kebajikan Masharakat.
Di-luar bandar dengan di-dalam bandar ini ada lain sadikit, is-itu tentang kebakaran.

Jadi kami di-Melaka oleh sebab kemarau terlampau panjang pada tahun yang lalu jadi kebakaran banyak terjadi.

Jadi rumah2 yang terbakar itu kalau di-dalam bandar saya dapat tahu boleh-lah di-tempatkan kapada satu tempat kemudian di-beri keutamaan kapada rumah2 baharu yang hendak di-pindahkan mangsa2 kebakaran mi.
Tetapi di-luar bandar saya dukachita sadikit nampak-nya sa-takat ini bantuan tidak ada kapada orange yang Inenjadi mangsa ini.

Mithal-nya sa- buah rumah di-fikirkan dalam luar bandar yang hanya kita di-beri oleh pehak Jabatan Kebajikan Masharakat chuma memberi sa-takat $50, $60.

Jadi saya rasa tentu-lah susah kalau hendak beli atap buat sementara mithal-nya hendak mendirikan rumah tempat bertedoh dalam satu dua bulan itu tentu-lah tidak dapat.
Dan duka- chita-nya pula di-luar bandar ini me- mang tidak kita boleh masokkan insuran api.

Rumah2 walau macham mana besar di-dirikan $5, $6 dan $10,000, rumah di-luar bandar tidak ada chan hendak masokkan insuran api.

Jadi bila api ini, datang sudah tentu-lah ranap semua-nya dengan tidak ada chagaran untok menolong kesengsaraan orange ini.
Jadi saya pun tidak-lah menchadangkan berapa patut di-beri tetapi patut-lah Kemen- terian, ini menimbangkan agak2 boleh orang ini membeli 4 batang tiang-kah 34541 8 JANUARY 1964 4542 atau sa-takat yang mana untok mem- ber pertolongan kapada orange yang malang kebakaran itu.
Saperti saya katakan tadi nampak- nya K ementerian ini Wien jalankan :kerja-nya dengan chara yang baik dan saya mengalu2kan atas perchubaan Menteri Buroh yang telah membuat pusat2 latehan bekerja dan saya harap bukan sa-takat di-Seremban atau sa- takat yang sudah ada ini tetapi patut juga di-kembangkan dan kita harap- Iah majikan2 atau tempat2 yang mahu bekerjasama dengan Kementerian ini boleh memberi peluang yang lebeh luas lagi.
Kapada yang telah memberi peluang ini kita uchapkan tahniah atas kerjasama-nya mengurangkan pe- nganggoran negara kita pada masa akan datang, terima kaseh.

Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: Mr Chairman, Sir, I am surprised to see that so many members have made speeches regarding my Ministry.

The Honourable Member for Bungsar has, I think, made the longest speech, and I thank him very much for giving me praise for my services and the services of my colleague the Assistant Minister and officers of my Ministry.
But all this praise has lost its sweetness when he disagreed with so many of the policies of my Ministry (Laughter).

He mentioned that we are 20 years behind Singapore in labour matters.

Well, Sir, it is a matter of opinion and he is entitled to his opinion.

But it would surprise my Honourable friend to know that the Singapore trade union leaders have a very high regard for our system here and they would like to adopt our system in Malaya instead of having their own system (Applause).
The Honourable Member later in his speech said that compulsory arbitra- tion is bad and that it takes away the right of the workers.

I am sure that he knows that compulsory arbitration is a feature in Singapore.

How does he reconcile this?

Enche' V. David : Singapore has an Industrial Arbitration Court with a Chairman who assumes the role of a Judge and the man who is sitting there as Judge is an economist, Dr Charles union matters .
People of that category would be really doing a service, but people from the Judicial Service appointed to such Courts cannot contribute anything at all to the industry as well as to the workers.

Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: Again, Sir, it is a matter of opinion.

He referred also to the Trade Union Ordinance and he said it was worse than the Trade Union Ordinance of colonial days and that it contravened I.L.U.

Convention No.

87 and that trade unions have made no progress.


Sir, the principle behind the Trade Union Ordinance is that trade unions must be formed by and must function for the benefit of the workers who have an identity of interests, and not to be a tool for opportunists who have no knowledge or experience of the trade in which the trade union func- tions.

If that is not a progressive idea, I do not know what is.

Statistics also show that trade unions have in fact made much progress.
There are today 284 unions with a membership of nearly 275,000 as compared with 250 trade unions with 175,000 member- ship in 1959 when the Ordinance was introduced.

He also mentions about the Employment Ordinance which guaran- tees, he says, protection only to the employers, and that the employers retain the right of hire and fire.

Sir, the Employment Ordinance is based on many important principles adopted by the International Labour Organisa- tion.
It lays down the respective rights of both workers and employers, and not of the employers alone.

Just as much as an employer can dismiss a worker with a month's notice, so also a worker can leave his job with a month's notice.

To say that the Ordi- nance is weighted against the workers is unfair.

However, I am aware that some allegations of unfair dismissals arise now and then.

They are being dealt with by the trade unions with the unfailing assistance of my Minis- try.
The National Joint Labour Advi- sory Council is also now considering an I.L.O.

Convention to regulate the right of the employer to hire and fire.

hope that will satisfy my Honourable Gamba, who is well versed in trade friend because he was with me in 4543 8 JANUARY 1964 4544 Geneva last year.

He also alleged that the employers lock out workers and that the Government does nothing to stop them.
Well, Sir, first of all, I must say that I do not support hasty industrial action either by employers or workers.

Both sides must make a genuine attempt to settle differences by the democratic process of joint discus- sion and agreement.

However, I must point out that employers have as much right to lock out their workers as workers have the right--which is far more often used--to go on strike.

He also referred to the problem of unemployment and said that the Go- vernment is doing nothing about it.
He also alleged that we do not have the figures of unemployment.

Sir, I think I have covered this point adequately in my remarks earlier in my speech and if the Honourable Member had listened with care he would have heard that data for employment, unemploy- ment and under-employment are now at hand and will be released to the public in due course.

He would also have heard that the Government has already established a manpower plan- ning section to effectively plan employment policies.
He also alleged that there are long delays in workmen's compensation cases.

Sir, cases of workmen's compensation are dealt with as expeditiously as possible.

The Department of Labour deals with an average of 1,700 cases of this nature per year.

Delays naturally occur in some cases because of the need for proper medical reports as to the extent of the injuries and full enquiry as to the nature and circumstances of the accidents.

If just decisions are to be made it will sometimes take time.
Nevertheless, the National Joint Labour Advisory Council is con- sidering amendments to the Ordinance and the regulations to make the administration and enforcement smoo- ther.

Allegations made by my Honourable friend that officers intentionally delay matters must be refuted by me.

If he had any specific case, he could very well write to me or see me personally about it.
He also called for an enquiry into the transport is the General Secretary of the Transport Workers Union and I am sure he would agree that if this Union.

had a wider membership, conditions of work in the industry would improve.

To call for an enquiry is to admit his own failure.

Sir, I think I have answered most of the points raised by the Honourable Member and I wish now to go on to the other members.
The Honourable Member for Rawang alleged that there is no co-ordination in the vocational guid- ance activities of the Department of Labour.

I should point out that this is not correct.

Co-ordinating committees between my Ministry, the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Commerce and Industry and employers and workers already exist.

I should stress, Sir, that the vocational training project is still in its pilot stage.

He also alleged that there is excessive dust in the Rawang Cement Factory.
Sir, this is not entirely correct, as I am, told that the dust suppression equipment in the factory is^ highly efficient.

The little dust that escapes is only an irritation and not a danger to health.

The dust which used to cover the area actually came from the quarries in Batu Caves.

This too has been looked into and the dust suppression equipment and other measures have been introduced and I understand that the position is much better now.
However, the dust situation in Rawang area is kept under close watch.

His request for a welfare officer in Rawang will be borne in mind and it might be possible to post an officer there in the near future.

In reply to the remarks of the Honourable Member for Seberang Tengah, I would say that the officers of the employment exchanges and the local advisory committees are doing their best to assist job seekers.
They visit employers and places of employ- ment td get them to use the exchanges and the result on the whole has been quite good.

However, it must be borne in mind that employment exchanges do not create jobs but merely place job seekers in the employment oppor- tunities that are available.

I now refer to the Honourable industry.

Sir, the Honourable Member Member for Alor Star.

He referred to 4545 8 JANUARY 1964 4546 the $70,000 for public assistance in Kedah.
In Kedah it is provided in the `State Estimates and not in the Federal Estimates; as public assistance in a State is a State subject, it is outside the jurisdiction of my Ministry.

I am also happy to announce that the Alor ;Star Labour Office will not have to be in the present accommodation for much longer---as he says.

I was in Alor Star just recently and I found that the Federal building is going up and that the ground floor of the building is being allotted to the Labour 'Office.
As regards the remarks of the Honourable Member from Bagan, a site for the Remand Home has already been found and the new Home will be built as soon as the funds are made available.

Now I turn to the Honourable Member for Temerloh.

The Govern- ment has already taken action to promulgate legislation for the control -and rehabilitation of beggars.

The draft legislation is now being studied by State Governments.

Rehabilitation centres are being planned; in fact, one centre has already started in Malacca.
His remarks regarding delays in public assistance are beyond my jurisdiction, being a State matter.

However, I will see what can be done about it.

Regard- ing his remarks on employment exchanges, I would point out that a Service Circular already exists where- by Government Departments are required to take their labour require- ments through employment exchanges.
In regard to the remarks of the Honourable Member for Tanjong, I would just like to assure him that the whole Government is behind me in my efforts to improve the welfare of the workers well, the Honourable Mem- ber is not here, Sir.

I must say that his attempts to infer otherwise is very poor taste and totally unfounded.

As regards his remarks concerning the training of workers, I can assure him that the training projects have been undertaken only after careful study of the employment situation.
The Committee in charge of these schemes has employers' representatives on it who will ensure that the training given will meet the requirements of industry.

I now refer, Sir, to his suggestion that a Labour Research section should be formed in my Ministry to assist workers.

I am already considering the establishment of such a unit and the necessary action is being taken.
With regard to the remarks made by the Honourable Member for Kuala Trengganu that there are no Employ- ment Exchanges in rural areas, that rural youths experienced difficulties in registration for employment, I would like to say, Sir, that Employment Exchanges are situated near major centres of employment and plans exist for a wider network of Employment Exchanges.
However, Sir, the system of registration has now been changed to enable persons to renew their regis- tration every three months and this, too, can be done by post free of charge.

Sending of mobile units on rare occa- sions I do not think is going to help much.

If youths in rural areas find it difficult to obtain employment it is because of three reasons : (1) They do not have much expe- rience or training or educational qualifications.
(2) They are unwilling to move out of their kampongs to places which might be far away to work.

(3) They are choosy in the type of jobs they want.

He also asked for a procedure for voluntary organisations obtaining grants from the Government.
A new programme of grant-in-aid has been Referring to his distorted remarks drawn up and if thu Honourable Mem- regarding politics in welfare work, I will only say this : the distribution of assistance by the Chief Minister of Penang is quite in order as he is the ber wishes, I can let him have a copy.

He also asked that assistance must be given to workers in small places of employment to form trade unions.
I Chairman of the State Committee set will give this matter consideration, but up to assist workers affected by con- I would stress, Sir, that trade unions frontation.

are voluntary bodies.

Whether unions 4547 8 JANUARY 1964 4548 can be formed by these workers will depend entirely on their own willing- ness and keenness.
With regard to the statement by the Honourable Member for Pulau Pinang Utara, I will repeat what I have said earlier : the Government will be intro- ducing legislation for the control of beggars and vagrants together with centres for their rehabilitation.

This would reduce considerably the problem to society .

As regards the Jubilee Home, the Government is already pro- viding $45 ,000 per year .

In addition, the Home gets about $45,000 from its own investment.
The income should be adequate for the Home at this stage.

In conclusion , Sir, I wish to say that the Government is fully aware of the problems facing the workers.

Much has been done by my Government to overcome the problems and much more will be done this year .

It is totally false to believe that only a party which has the word " Socialist" in front of its name can cater for the welfare of the workers .

The.
The.

Alliance Government in its labour policy has been as socialistic as any socialistic government can be, and the workers of Malaya know this.

Thank you.

(Applause).

Question put, and agreed to.

The sums of : $863,085 for Head S. 45, $3,039 ,675 for Head S. 46, $458,542 for Head S. 47, $4,596,836 for Head S. 48, $170,508 for Head S. 65E, $256,981 for Head S. 66L, $126,679 for Head S .

67C, and $77,517 for Head S. 67D, Ordered to stand part of the Schedule.
(Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair) Heads S. 49-S. 53, Heads S. 65Q, S. 67H and S. 67P The Minister of Rural Development (Tun Haji Abdul Razak bin Dato' Hussain ): Mr Chairman, Sir, with your permission, Sir, I wish to explain Heads S. 49 to S. 53 and Heads S. 65Q, S. 67H and S. 67P together.

Sir, Honourable Members will observe that the 1964 expenditure under this Ministry of Rural Develop- ment proper shows a reduction of $877,061 as compared to the 1963 expenditure.
The decrease is due partly to the transfer of Games Department.

from my Ministry to the Ministry of Agriculture and Co-operatives and also partly to a big reduction of Special Expenditure under Adult Education.

Now, Sir, under the Adult Educa^• tion Division a sum of $9,020,350 is required to meet expenses for 1964.

In the last two years , this Division has played an extremely important role in Rural Development.
The ultimate object of these Adult Education Classes is to produce what we call , functional literates .

It is the intention of this Division to make the rural people know their rights and their responsibi- lities as useful citizens of this country,.

and to make them self-reliant , as well as to instil in them a sense of national unity and patriotism.

Under Personal Emoluments, there is a decrease of $35 ,470.

This is because of the reduction in three posts which are no longer required.
The post of Training Officer for Religious Instruc- tion is intended for liaison work.

between this Ministry and the State Governments .

This officer will also advise on appropriate methods of instruction to .be given in the Adult Education Classes.

The two other posts are : one Field Officer and one Cine Operator / Driver.

These posts are meant for the additional mobile unit in 1964.

The three mobile units now in operation ` are found to be inadequate to cope with the required volume of work.
Briefly , the duties of the Informa- tion Units are to encourage the rural people , especially the rural illiterates, to join the Adult Education Classes and to mobilise the spirit and energy of the rural people , so that they could better their own living, know their responsi bility towards their country , and stand on their own feet as self-reliant citizens..

Under Other Charges Annually Recurrent , it will be found that there is a decrease in the Estimates for 1964 by $97,796.
This is due to the reduc- tion in the number of classes in 1963 4549 8 JANUARY 1964 4550 which in turn is due to the fact that at present continuing its long term and a number of classes have been com- systematic basic mapping programme bined together as one class in order on the geology and mineral resources to achieve economy.

of our country.

The Other Charges Special Expendi- It is the duty of this Department to ture also shows a decrease of $722,209.
carry out mineral clearance surveys This is due to reduction in the purchase before any large land schemes are of text-books and follow-up materials.

started, so as to ensure that mineral From the above figures, it will be noticed that there is an overall reduc- tion of $857,475 in the estimate for 1964 under this Division.
As regards Head S. 50 Pesurohjaya Tanah I wish to explain to the House that the 1964 Estimates of this Depart- ment provide for an expenditure of $601,728, as against a provision of $605,987 in 1963.

This represents a decrease of about $4,259 which is due to adjustment of the salaries of the officers working in this Department.

About 70.3 per cent of the total amount is to meet expenditure on the Kelan- tan and Perlis Land Settlement work.
The Federal Government has agreed earlier to assist the Kelantan Govern- ment in carrying out the work of surveying all the lands in Kelantan and issuing fresh Document of Titles -after settling and determining the claims of the owners.

Similarly, in Perlis the work of replacing old titles with new ones is also being carried out by the Federal Government.
The Land Settlement work in Kelan- tan and Perlis is expected to continue for a number of years and the cost of completing this work will have to be provided for by the Federal Govern- ment annually.

I now refer to Head S. 51-Geolo- gical Survey.

The overall total expendi- ture for this Department shows an increase of 3.6 per cent.
The figure does not fully reflect the large range of responsibilities now borne by the Department of Geological Survey whose activities are all important in relation to development planning involving land use and utilisation of mineral resources.

I would like to inform the House that the Department has completed a reconnaissance survey of the whole country, the Malay Peninsula, and is resources are not blanketed by agri- cultural and other developments.
During the first three-quarters of the year mineral clearance certificates have been issued jointly by the Geological Survey and the Department of Mines over 25 areas aggregating 96,737 acres.

In this connection, Sir, I also wish to invite Honourable Members' atten- tion to the work of the Mineral Investi- gation Drilling Unit, operated jointly by the Geological Survey and the Department of Mines.
This is currently working, to evaluate bye scout prospect- ing the mineral potentialities of various Malay Reservations throughout the country.

In the States of Perak, Selangor and Pahang, the Unit has succeeded in scout prospecting during three quarters of this year 13,967 acres as compared with the 1962 total of 12,855 acres.

I now go to Head 52 Mines.

The Estimates of this Department provide for a small overall increase in gross expenditure from, $1,149,976 in 1963 to $1,166,475 in 1964.
Most of this increase is the result of normal incre- ments to salary and of the need to expand the activities of the Research Division so as to produce improved service to the mining industry.

I would also explain that the Depart- ment of Mines controls and supervises prospecting and mining operations, and it is responsible for the enforcement of the mining laws and regulations.

The Research Division of this Department undertakes research on aid improve- ment to methods of mining and mineral dressing.
It also investigates ore re- serves in association with the Geologi- cal Survey Department.

Now, Honourable Members are aware that tin, our principal mineral product will for many years continue 4551 8 JANUARY 1964 4552: to be one of the main pillars of our Federal Department of Mines.

The economy.
The economy.

I am happy to report that sum required under this Head is in- production in 1963 is expected to ex- tended to cover the administrative ceed that of 1962 by a modest 2 per expenses and personal emoluments and cent to 3 per cent.
Now, Sir, I come to Head S. 53, Survey Department, and I would like to inform the House that the Survey Department had made a rapid expan- sion during the period of 1960 / 1962 in order to cope with the vast influx of land development schemes under the Second Five-Year Development Plan.

This has resulted in the increase of its technicians by 250.

The overall in- crease of $259,968 is due mainly to revision of salaries of these technicians and also of junior technicians.
There is a reduction of $58,170 under Other Charges Annually Re- current.

This is due to the fact that this Department has reached its maxi- mum development on the title survey side and so no increase in field party strength has been planned for 1964.

There is only one sub-head under Special Expenditure showing an in- crease of $35,380, that is, Sub-head 13 Kereta Motor.

The increase is due to the proposal to purchase four Land Rovers to replace the old ones.
Sir, with regard to Head S. 56Q, Survey, I do not wish to say much, but Honourable Members will note that the provision is required for the adminis- trative expenses of the Survey Depart- ment in Singapore.

However, I wish to draw the attention of the House to Items (3) and (4) of Sub-head 2, under Other Charges Annually Recurrent.

The provisions for these items are only needed in 1964, because in subsequent years the services under these two items would be provided for by the Head Office in Kuala Lumpur.
I also wish to explain that the Survey Department in Singapore is engaged in ° routine sub-division and revenue work and production of land titles.

I now turn to Head S. 67H Mines.

Honourable Members will note that as other items of Other Charges Annually Recurrent.
With regard to the $50,000 under Sub-head 4, I wish to inform the House that this provision is required in connection with the operation of a Diamond Drill employed in the pros- pecting of gold deposits at Bau as well as in connection with testing of other known mineral occurrences in Sarawak.

This item was previously shown under Geological Survey (Borneo Region).

With regard to Head S. 67P there is very little that I can elaborate in ex plaining these Estimates.
They are the Federal element of expenditure for the Regional Geological Survey Offices of Sabah and Sarawak and merely show the personal emoluments of the staff required to implement the Geological Services in these two territories to- gether with other items of annual re- current expenditure.

Sir, I beg to move.
Sir, I beg to move.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: (Kota Bharu Hilir): Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka hendak mengambil baha gian di-dalam Kementerian Pem- bangunan Luar Bandar, muka 364, Butiran (28) Pegawai Penyelidek Ekonomi, Butiran (3 l) Penolong Pe gawai Perusahaan Kampong, dan juga muka 365, Pechahan Kepala 9 Lem- baga Kemajuan Kampong dan Per usahaan is-itu RIDA.

Tuan Pengerusi, sa-bagaimana yang kita tahu bahawa sa-nya tiap2 tahun,.
Kerajaan telah membelanjakan satu perbelanjaan yang boleh di-katakan besar untok memperbaiki kedudokan ekonomi di-kampong2, tetapi sa-hingga sampai sekarang ini belum-lah kita dapat satu bukti yang terang bahawa sa-nya sekalian ranchangan2 ini, atau pun sa-tengah daripada ranchangan2T ini telah menchapai kejayaan dan ke majuan yang di-tujukan dan di-mak sudkan.

Tuan Pengerusi, di-sini biar saya.


from Malaysia Day the administration sebutkan pada muka 365, Pechahan of the Mining Ordinance of Sarawak Kepala 9 Lembaga Kemajuan Kam has become the responsibility of the pong dan Perusahaan.
Kita maseh ingat 4553 8 JANUARY 1964 4554 lagi bahawa sa-nya Kerajaan telah mendirikan bermacham2 perusahaan saperti perusahaan belachan, per- usahaan masak buah2an saperti ram- butan dan buah nau di-dalam tin, juga perusahaan membuat tali sabut dan membeli pulor sabut, dan perusahaan yang lain2 lagi, yang akhir sa-kali ia- itu perusahaan kichap yang Kerajaan telah mendirikan satu rumah yang besar yang memakan belanja yang banyak di-Datok Kramat sana, tetapi apa-kah yang telah berlaku kapada perusahaan2 mi.
Tuan Pengerusi, sa-bagaimana yang saya tahu, juga ra`ayat pun tahu bahawasa-nya boleh di-katakan semua daripada perusahaan2 ini telah tidak berj aya bahkan kilang membuat per- usahaan2 ini pun telah di-tutop.

Kilang belachan mana-kah pergi-nya?

Kilang membuat tali dan perusahaan membeli pulor sabut apa-kah telah j adi.
Saya telah menyebutkan di-dalam rumah Parlimen yang lama tatakala saya per- nah melawat ka-Morib, di-sana orange telah mengadukan hal kapada saya bahawasa-nya mereka telah menjual tiga pikul pulor sabut kapada pej abat RIDA tetapi pejabat RIDA tidak membayar wang2 pulor sabut itu ka- pada orange itu.

Walhal apabila ran- changan ini telah di-buka oleh pejabat RIDA orange kampong telah men- dapat satu mata pencharian hidup untok menambah sara hidup mereka yang sadikit di-kampong.
Mereka itu telah bekerj a dengan bersusah payah di-masa yang mereka itu ada lapang untok membuat pulor sabut itu supaya dapat di-jualkan kapada pejabat RIDA dan dengan yang demikian mereka itu sadikit sa-banyak telah - dapat wang dari pejabat RIDA.

Tetapi harapan mereka yang balk itu akhir2-nya tidak berjaya kerana pejabat RIDA sendiri menerima pulor sabut daripada mereka itu tetapi tidak di-bayar harga-nya kapada mereka itu.

Tuan Pengerusi, juga tentang per- usahaan kichap.


Kita telah dengar bahawasa-nya Kerajaan telah mengam- bil sa-orang ahli pakar membuat kichap dari Kedah sana dan telah memberi gaji kapada-nya dengan gaji yang tinggi dan hamba Allah itu telah ber- usaha untok membuat kichap tetapi apa-kah telah terjadi kapada perusaha- an kichap ini?
Sa-bagaimana yang saya tahu apabila saudara kita ini yang telah di-ambil sa-bagai sa-orang ahli pakar untok membuat kichap dia chuma dapat membuat kichap sa- banyak 50 kati kichap sahaja sa bagai experiment atau pun sa-bagai.

perchubaan, di-buat-nya dan apabila di-test di-dapati oleh Kerajaan ba hawasa-nya ada-lah kichap-nya itu memang-lah kichap yang paling baik.
Kemudian Kerajaan bersusah payah mendirikan sa-buah rumah yang besar di-Kampong Dato' Keramat di-sana yang kata-nya telah memakan belanja hampir2 $100,000 untok rumah kilang kichap itu tetapi apa-kah telah ter jadi kapada perusahaan kichap itu?

Mengikut laporan yang kita telah de ngar bahawasa-nya Kerajaan telah memberi notice kapada ahli pakar membuat kichap ini bahawasa-nya dia akan terpaksa berhenti daripada kerja nya sa-bagai ahli pakar di-akhir bulan March tahun 1964 mi.
Dan rumah kilang kichap yang telah di-dirikan di-Dato' Keramat itu tinggal bagitu sahaja sa-hingga sampai sekarang ini !

Tuan Pengerusi, ini-lah sa-,tengah daripada bukti2 yang dapat kita tunjok kan kapada ra`ayat jelata bahawasa- nya Kerajaan telah kechiwa di-dalam perkara kemajuan kampong dan peru sahaan'--nya.
Kita tahu orang Melayu kita itu is-lah pendudok di-dalam kawasan2 kampong dan mereka itu sangat-lah mempunya harapan yang besar kapada Lembaga Kemajuan Kampong dan perusahaan kerana mereka itu berfikir dan berharap mudah2an dengan ada-nya Lembaga Kemajuan Kampong dan Perusahaan.

ini dapat-lah mereka itu menambahkan.

wang perusahaan atau pun income bagi mereka yang miskin.

Kita tahu, Tuan Pengerusi, orang kampong ada-lah orang yang paling miskin sa-kali di dalam tanah ayer kita ini.
Kemiskinan mereka itu terdiri dari dua tiga sebab.

Pertama-nya., tanah yang di-mileki oleh mereka itu is-lah tanah2 yang tidak memberi pendapatan yang chukup tanah2 yang di-namakan uneconomic holding.
Oleh kerana tanah2 ini kechil yang kebanyakan-nya terdiri daripada dua ekar sahaja dan ada yang 24 ekar, 4555 8 JANUARY 1964 4556 juga ada satu ekar dan satu ekar sa- Sekarang ini, Tuan Pengerusi, kehi- tengah maka dari pendapatan unecono- dupan orange kampong dan kemis- mic holding yang tidak menchukupi ini-lah yang menyebabkan kemiskinan mereka itu.

mi satu daripada sebab-nya.


Yang kedua, ada-lah orange yang dudok di-kampong, Tuan Pengerusi, mereka itu kebanyakan bekerja di- dalam satu tahun chuma 5 atau 6 bulan sahaja.

Mereka itu is-lah under employment dan yang 5, 6 bulan lagi mereka itu tidak ada kerja.

Yang ke- tiga-nya pula tidak ada Marketing Organization.
Saya telah berchakap di- dalam rumah yang mulia di-dalam rumah Parlimen yang lama dahulu bahawasa-nya saya telah melawat di- dalam satu masa ka-Jerantut di-sana dan juga ka-tempat2 yang lain lagi, orange kampong itu merayukan hal kapada saya ba.hawasa-nya ada-lah buah2an yang di-tanam oleh mereka itu terpaksa di-jual dengan harga yang paling murah sa-kali.
Saya tengok dengan mata kepala saya sendiri, pisang rastali, pisang emas di-jual dengan harga; dua sen satu kati walhal pisang2 ini di-jual di-bandar2 dengan harga 15 sen ada juga dengan harga 20 sen. Jadi oleh sebab Kerajaan tidak membuat satu Marketing Organiza- tion satu chara bagaimana dapa.t mereka itu menjualkan buah2 ini dengan harga yang tinggi.
Sebab tidak ada chara2 ini di-buat oleh Kerajaan maka mereka itu terpaksa-lah menjual- kan dengan harga yang murah kapada orange tengah atau pun middleman yang sedia menipu mereka itu dan sedia mengisap darah mereka itu.

Maka dari tiga sebab ini yang saya sebutkan itu telah mendatangkan ke- miskinan kapada orange kampong kita.
kinan mereka itu bertambah lagi berat dengan sebab harga gula naik, harga minyak dan banyak harga barang2 yang lain yang sangat mustahak bagi kehidupan mereka2 itu telah naik harga-nya.

Walhal pendapatan mereka itu tidak naik-tidak bertambah tetapi harga makanan yang mesti di-beli ber- tambah2 naik.

Oleh sebab yang demi- kian kemiskinan orang kampong se- karang ini bertambah2 merosot.

Tetapi apa-kah satu bukti atau satu tindakan yang di-buat oleh Keraj aan untok hendak membaiki nasib mereka itu.
Di-sini apabila kita tengok di-muka 364 di-atas sa-kali ada-lah kita terbacha Pegawai Penyelidek Ekonomi, Peno- long Pegawai Perusahaan Kampong dan lain2 lagi.

Kita tidak tahu apa-kah pegawai2 ini telah membuat kerja mereka itu, ada-kah mereka telah menyelideki di-atas kesusahan orange kampong kerana sa-hingga sampai se- karang ini belum lagi ada satu bukti yang boleh kita lihat dan boleh mem- baiki kehidupan ra`ayat jelata.

Mr Chairman: Time is up.

House resumed.


Mr (Deputy ) Speaker: Honourable Members, I have to report that the Committee of Supply on the Supply Bill, 1964, has progressed up to Heads under the Ministry of Labour and Social Welfare in the Schedule to the Bill.

The Committee of Supply will resume tomorrow.

The meeting is adjourned to 10.00 a.m. tomorrow.

Adjourned at 8.00 p.m.