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687 Members Present LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.

Announcement.13 688 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL The Hon.

J.

B. Singh, O.B.E.

(Demerara-Essequibo).

Friday, 6th October, 1944.

The Hon.

Peer Bacchus (Western Berbice).

The Hon.

H. C. Humphrys, K.C.

(Eastern Demerara).

The Council met at 12 noon, His the Officer Excellency the Government, C.M.G., President, Mr. W. L. Heape, in the Chair.

Administering The Hon.

C. R. Jacob, (North (Eastern District).

The Hon.

A. G. King (Demerara River).

PRESENT.

The Hon.


J. W. Jackson, O.B.E.

(Nominated).

The President, His Excellency the Officer Administe1ring ment,-MT.

W. L. Heape,, the Govern-The Hon.

T. Lee (Essequebo C.M.G.

River).

The Hon.

the Colonial Secretary The Hon.

A. M. Edun (Nomi- (Acting) Mr. M. B. Laing, O.B.E.

nated).

The Hon.

the Attorney-General, The Hon.

V. Roth (Nominated).

; Mr. E. 0.

Pretheroe, M.C., K.C.

The Hon.

the Colonial Treasurer, River).

Mr. E. F. McDavid, C.B.E.

The Hon.


E. G. Woolford, 0.B.E., The Clerk read prayers.

The Hon.

C. P. Ferreira (Berbice K.C.

(New Amsterdam).

K.C.

The Hon.

J.

A. Luckhoo, (Nominated).

of the meeting The minutes Council, held of August, 1944, were taken as read and confirmed.

of the the 3rd day on Thursday, The Hon.

J. I. deAguiar (Central Demerara).

The Hon.

C. V. Wight (Western Essequebo).

ANNOUNCEMENTS The Hon.

H. N. Critchlow (Nomi• DECISIONS ON FRANCHISE COMMISSION'S nated).

REPORT.
REPORT.

The Hon.

M. B. G. Austin, 0.B.E.

(Nominated).

The Hon.

E. A. Luckhoo, O.B.E.

(Eastern Berbice).

The Hon.

J. Gonsalves $9µth) (Georietown 1 0.B.E.

The PRESIDENT: Gentlemen, I ma:_de by the of State for the Colonies feel that the statemoot Secretary the House of Commons on October 4 should be formally by the President propose, of you may have already :rr��s.

The Secretary announced I of this Council.

to read what many seen in the therefore, of �t�te s�id :- to you in 689 ·Franchise 1944.
6 OCTOBER, Decision of SIS 690 report of the Commission; that Guiana and Executive ''The report of the Franchise· Com­ mission of the Colony of British has been l�id in the library of the House of Commons to-day.

The Legis- lative Guiana have been consulted and I have had advantage :report personally Lethem in this country.

The following of dis·cussing the with Sir G�rdon Councils in British to take upon them.
are the main recom­ with of the Commlission - mendations the action which it is now proposed wtith my approval That action will involve an amendin� Order in Council, be laid on the table for comparison and local legislation prepared and submitted Legislative to the· present of British Guiana.

': draft of which will whioh will be Council Paragraph QUALIFICATIONS OF LEGISLATIVE FOR MEMBERSHIP COUNCIL.
59.-The Commission with one exception recommended that membership should be open to women on the same terms as men.

I have accepted recommendation.


this of Legislat�ve Council Paragraph wit11 63.-The Commission one exception recommended that financlial qualifications for member­ ship should be reduced from (a) of income of $2,400 a year possession to possession a year of income of $1.200 or over (b) poss!eSSion of property· value $5,000 to possession of property of $1,000 or over (c) the holding lease to annual value of $1,200 to hold­ ing of income of annual value of $300 or over.
I have accepted these recr.m-­ mendations of a to .

Paragraph 64.-The Commissio:r-.

recommend�d that any for Council must unanimously person before _ becoming eligible election to Legislative at some period of hds life have previous­ ly resided continuously I at I-east one year before nomination.

this recommendation.

have accepted in the Colony for 65.-The Commission recommended removal of disqualification Paragi·aph unanimously present Religion tions required.

recommendation.
recommendation.

who possess I have accepted this of Ministers other qualifica­ of QUALIFICATIONS LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.

FOR VOTERS FOR (a)ownership occupation or tenancy of land of 6 acres to 3 acres (b) ownership of land to value of $350 t10 $150 (c) occupation rental ( d)possession to $120 a year.

to value of $96 a year to $48 a year or tenancy of property of of income of $300 a year The matter has maj,ority of the Guiana report.
however, A minority unanimously recommended from -numerous that they approved have bodies in the British a substantial adult suffrage.

debated Council, of the Commission Suffrage.

that the majority for provides of the fran­ short of Universal It will be recognised report of the Co,mmission a very substantial extension chiste though one still falling universal been fully Legislative of whom stated majority by report was also accepted unofficial • Council.
members oif EX!ecutive On the other hand representations been received in the Colony such as those from the in favour of East Indian Associatfon At a recent universal adult suffrage.
conference Councils, a resolution majority in which there is a considerable of opinion in the Colony, large majo.rit1y of the Commission was fully representative and was appointed manner as the Trinidad mittee has reported sion of franchise adult suffrage and this report has met of the majortl.ty of Legis­ with approval Council, I feel I should accept it.
lative It is true that in Trinidad and of universal adult but in Trini­ by a majority and responsible the same Franchise Com­ in favour of an exten­ 150 delegates passed the stirongly supporting one The matter is clearly of Chairmen of the Village short of universal which as I have said was in the same m2nner as the Jamaica the · principle suffrage has been accepted dad this was recommended of a C�mmittee appointed British Guiana Commission, Jamaica univerrnl unanimously local bodies includin Council.
Guiana are not in all respects those in Jamaica and Trinidad it would not be reasonable with differin bound to follow measures others.

Moreov,er, conditions in British parallel to and I feel that a Colony g conditions recommended should be held in exactly division and where a falling adopted in which while in adult suffrage was .
by responsible g the Legish.tive however, to make it plain by the Commission I desire, that as envisaged aim of policy in British of universal the adoption later date and as suggested 57 of the Commission's of the country prac;ticable as a step towards that end.
Guiana will be at a suffrage in paragraph will be taken as soon as report a census the Pru.·agraph 11.-A majority of the Commission of exercise reduced as follows;- recommended qualification · of franchise should be 691 Franchise LEGISLATIVE Cou�CIL.

D.D,T.

Experiments 692 Paragraph 19, The majority of the Commission recommended elected representative required that every would be to pass a literacy test in English.

of the Commission literacy recommended test should be abolished!.
tihat the existing A minority manner in and exhaustive the thorough which the Commission enquiry and to the undoubted service which members under the valuable guidance rendered of its Chairman, Woolford, have the Co1ony."

carried out its _ the to under­ that ability so I dio not feel able should be a qualifi­ recommendation As I have already explained Legisilativ ,e Council will to approve of the intro­ There is less reason than there was to invite the oi or languc.1g:e tests.
But I saw obj.ection to the British Guiam.1 not be invit€d duction of adult suffrage.

therefore in the case of Trinidad Council to accept the abolition all literacy just as in Trinidad recommendation stand spoken English cation for franchise to accept the majority British to English.

British Guiana retentiion of literacy however, accepted the Commission English Council ence, since otherwise unable to carry out their duties.

o_ver, the necessity tion has been expressly _ writing_ �o the .
Franchise the British tion and the Islamic other organizations.

in any language.
o:6 :for the literacy test in of the Legislative conveni­ for membership on grounds od: pTactical members would be More­ test confined approved in of existing test I have for such a qualifica­ submittiedl Commission Guiana for a literacy I have there£ore Guiana East Indian As.socia­ the recommendation Association among in by in ELECTORAL DISTRICTS Gentlemen, I will lay a copy of that statement the receipt Secretary ing legislation Attorney-General Council.· on the table formally, and on of instructions from the of State the necessary amend­ by the to this will be prepared and presented EXPERIMENTS WITH D.D.T.
IN THE COLONY.

I have two other · announcements which may be of interest.

I do not know if some of you have seen the Octo­ ber number of the Crown Colonist, if not I will just read you this extract:- D.D.T.

v. Malaria.-Two of the world's experts bringing anti-malaria are keeping free from mosquitoes, and new health to sur­ towns, Lord Swinton told a greatest R.A.F.

airfields incidentally rounding Press Conference '''ITh.ey have started he D.D.T.
against said, ''and I think it is going to be as damaging It is � real killer."

diphenyl-trich1o,rethane, insecticide).

in London recently.

exrrnrimenting the malaria mosquito,'' to that as it is to other things.

is dichlor­ new a powerful (D.D.T.

with Pru·agraphs 81 to 91, The Commission certain modifications recommended existing fina1 dJecision I accept these recommendations.

on t/he franchise electoral of b a districts subject question.
The Commission refer in paragraphs did not agree among themsei.ves 104, to 105 of their report to certain proposals for other consfitutional changes which were put before them.

The C'J�­ mission as to these proposals case it was not within their province ventured £ore contented transmitting the proper authorfties.

dations will be considered ernor as c.:Ild when it appears These recom-:nen­ by the Gov­ and felt that in any and of them.
They .there� them for consideration tnemselves with merely no opinion by desirable.

The Commission was a carefully selected body fully representative general op1mon in the Colony and its recommendations advance in association the Colony with management �:Bi;�!rs.

!
!

�oµls_l ljke to !W' a tri\>l�te of the people in for a m2rkP-d provide of their of to Prof. that during with those three scien­ Sir Robert Robinson, in Finance Council and to I attach to the On several occasions Committee, in Executive other places I have made reference the great importance recent visit of the three scientists, Simonsen, Prof. and D ,, King, and I think now is the time to inform this Council conversations tists when they were at GQvernment House the question use of D.D.T.
in the Colony cropped up.

As a result of those conversations and meetings with the medical officers concel"ned the Secretary D.D.T.

could be released for experiments on a large scale in this Coloriy.

I will not tell you more now, ,except thaJ.

:; it · ie.

inc1;e3:sin&"lY was despatched of State asking wr�ther of the experimental from th� wor,lp.

'§ a telegram apparent to 693 D-D.T.

Experimenfa 6 OCTOBER, 1944.

Announcement:-: 694 as I have just experts and such extracts read, that D.D.T.
is going to revolution­ ize anti-malaria with it yellow fever, filaria mosquito-borne diseases.

control and, of course, and other I am pleased to be able to tell you ons made being carried of State the Secretary I hope, I cannot the arrangements that as a result of representati by those scientists has agreed to experiments out here.

(Applause).
(Applause).

say for certain because have not been concluded-that the experiment a large scale, and, if success£ ul, the results not want you to go away with the idea that everything ft has got to that stage when I can tell you that that happen.

would be very far-reaching.


J do has been arranged, but will be carried is probably out here on what ·will it is brought t o bear o n Sir John Verity to accept the appointment not considered that His Honour equitable should bear the whole of the unforeseen burden, and consequently Honourable Members are invi-ted personal the rate of £200 per annum, with effect 19-14. from 1st January, to vote a special to Sir John Verity at allowance Officer Administering the Government .

W.L.

HEAPE.

1944.
W.L.

HEAPE.

1944.

28th September, ANOMALIES COMMITTEE'S REPORT.

The COLONIAL TREASURER communicated to the Council:- the foilowing Message� MESSAGE NO.

13.

GOVERNOR RETURNING TO THE COLONY.

Honourable Members of the Legisla­ tive Council:- I have to The other announcement a telegram make is that I have received from Sir Gordon Leth em informing me that he was leaving England to return to British He did not give me the actual date he to arrive.

(Applause).

expects Guiana at the end of the month.


PERSONAL ALLOWANCE TO SIR JOHN VERITY The ATTORNEY-GENERAL com­ Message to municated the following the Council:- MESSAGE NO.

14 Honourable Members of the Legisla­ tive Council:- At the time of the death of Sir Maurice Camacho, the then Chief Justice, Sh' John Verity was Chief .Justice of Z·anzi- werP.

being bar.

Special difficulties experienced in this Colony at the time.

and Sir John Verity was pressed to fill the vacancy.
His Honour a�cepted the transfer· advantage stances has proved to be ·seriously to the transfer Sir J•ohn's financial disadvantage.

In view of the pressure though it was of little financial to him.
Owing to circum­ out of the war, however, arising In February y Sir last His Excellenc Gordon Lethem appointed with the following a Committee terms of reference:- into and to report cin "To enquire that may exist in regard any anomalies to the salaries of subordinate ees having regard �o the revised proposed for separate and to make antY necessary recom­ to co-ordinate mendations and to adjust anomalies."
emulov­ these scales ;cales departments, As Mlem hers will recall, tru: Report (Legislative to Members) Commititee's Council Paper No.
19/194:tt- copies of which have already been cir­ culated was discussed meeting of the Finance Committee Legislative and it was agreed that, subject 1944:, t'h� Secre�ry of State's approval, this Council should be invited the recommendations Committee tions, viz:- with the following held on 24th August., of the anomalies Council reserva­ to adopt at a of to (i) TWO LONG GRADES FOR JUNIOR TECHNICAL OFFICERS.
That in connection with the creation of 2 long grades for Junior Technical Officers, would proceed he was of outstanding q1,1alified and specifically to the Sflnior grade unless and fully on the junior grade for promoU<rn.

no officer ability, LEGISLATIVE COUNC11 ...

Announcements G96 his concurrence in the adoption with effect from 1st proposal notified of the proposals January, this Council.
'.l'he <Jommntee's that officers should proceed automatically to the senior grade after being 3 years at the top of the junior grade has not therefore but it is considered been accepted, the number of posts in the senior grade should not necessarily remain fixed but to time may be increased having regard to administrative require­ ments and to meet the case of any specially grade whosei duties justify his being to the senior grade.. advanced 2.
The Council on the junior from time qualified officer with the modifications of the Anomalies to approve Report, above, being adopted January, 1944, take to vote the funds necessary effect to the proposals.

and to under­ to give inclusive, with effect is accordingly 1944, subject invited Committee's indicated from 1st to the approval that of W. L. HEAPE, (ii)ADDITIONAL POSTS.

- That no Officer Administering the Government, additional the Committee's posts be created Report.
as a result of 2'5th September, 1944.

(iii)TRANSFER OF CERTAIN UN­ CLASSIFIED SIFIED CLERICAL ESTABLISHMENT.

POSTS TO 'I'HE CLAS­ service, concerned It is consi'1ered, That this recommendation be not that however, should adopted.

while the employees remain outside the general classified.

clerical a.continuous from $360 to $1 200 per annum, and that Heads of should recommend such Depa;.tments immediiate within this scale as they may consider of •those desirable whose work is satisfactory.
they should be placed on salary scale rising increases in the ca-se REVISED SALARY SCALES FOR TEACHERS Honourable Council: Members of the Legislative In 1942 the Memoranda cm Education to Guiana by ti1e Educational for Develop• Council.

in British Adviser to the Comptroller ment and Welfare were submitted While sugges­ the Legislative tions were made in Memorandum No.
9 as to the principles followed aries for primary school teachers, definite scales Adviser considering should be the subject the Educational tee.

were recommended, that such scales of an enquiry Commit­ by Development of sal.. no the which should be in deciding upon scales (iv)FREE QUARTERS AND HOUSE ALLOWANCES--'rhat this recommendation decision on be deferred.

( v)MILITIA BAND-That the salaries of the Band should not exceed the salaries Force.
Police of equivalent ranks in the (Vi) APPRENTICES-That the salary scale of workshou apprentices should not be revised.
(vi.i) ADDITIONAL INCHEMENTS made by the , that sipecial increment represent­ Asso­ Guiana Civil Service s in c.:ddi­ increments That the recommendation two members of the Committee ing the British ciation tion to normal accruing should be granted whose earnings whose incremental slow over a period of years should be rejected, considera­ but that sympatheti� tion be given to any particular hard cases as previously in the case of officers have been small and l1fogress has been the practice.
has been together The report, tions mentioned the Secretary for his consideration, with the reserva­ above, were submitted of State for the Colonies and he has now to 2.In the following year it was decid.

ed that this matter was so important that it should be dealt with by an ad .

This Committee was hoc Committee ,,ccordingly appointed and its deliberations commenced in Novem­ report was ber, 1943.

The Committee's received copies of which have been distributed to all Members.
on the 16th of March, 1944, by Government 3.The report proposes that in the of according the principle to ,the average case of head teachers paying salaries attendance of the school \:!hould be abol­ ished, and that in the case of both head assistants teachers long and qualified effic­ grade salary scales with suitable The iency bars should be introduced.
report furthe'J.· the proposes value of special training trained College by permitting to enter the appropriate salary scale at a higher point than untrained Better salaries uncertificated mendations of the Educational are in accord with the advice Adviser.

teachers.

are also proposed for These recom­ to recognize at a Training teachers teachers.

697 Announcements 6 OCTOBER, 1944.

Announcements 698 4.


Finance Committee , which gave on and future them reasonable in general, 1944, very eareful con­ to the recommendations made the recom­ but, taking into the immediate burden to be imposed upon the the 28th of April, sideration in the report, considered and fair, and they have also been dis­ cussed by Sir Gordon Lethem with the of State for the Colonies.
The Secretary Secretary of State approved mendations consideration financial Colony, advised ment proposed case of qualified the incremental period scales, thus reducing increase the over-all This modification respect of th&t part of the salary scale l;lelow $60 per month-and has been incorporated total cost o!

the proposals.
the proposals.

has been adopted in in the attached 5.On the basis oE these salary in the expenditure should be reduced in the that the rate of incre­ the normal rate of so as to extend of the salary teachers schedule.
and thereby (iii) Thirdyear (iv)Second year (v)Firstyear 16 p.m. 14 p.m. 12 p.m. (b) UNCERTIFICATED ASSISTANT TEACHERS:..- $"30-$2.,50-$3li (i) Passed end of fourth year Pupil Teachers' exam- ination or equivalent (ii) Passed end ...... of third year examin- Pupil Teachers, ation or equivalent (iii) 25-2.50-30 (a) Passed end of second or equiva- year Pupil Teachers' examination lent ...... ...... teachers without cations but with tet: years' service or over qualifi- 20-2.50-25 ( b) Those uncertificated war bonus) would be $800,020, on the existing salaries 9 o!
the report) supplementary pro­ for special (as recom.

an amount of $13,000 to some teachers expenditure on for the year 1944 ( exclusive of scales the total estimated salaries temporary including increments mended in paragraph which would require vision of $239,203 vote.

There would also be a consequen­ of $410,664 on the provision tial increase for temporary war bonus, making the cost for 1944 approxi­ total additional mately $280,000.
The maximum estimated 1s shown expenditure in the report to be $1,178,5'80, but this amount is based on the assumption that would be able all teachers now employed the maximum to reach and be receiving .

In prac­ of their scales simultaneously tice, the amount wouJd be considerably less.
on teachers' salaries 6.I accordingly invite the Council to of th.e revised salary scaleSI being adopted 1944, and approved as set out in the Schedule with effect from 1st January, to undertake to give effect to the proposals.

to vote the necessary funds (c) 20-2.50--25 (iv) No qualifications-tempo- rary employment.. .
... 15 (v)An uncertificated assistant teacher who has passed an examination or satis­ factorily completed a course approved by the Director of Education in sewing or another specified subject shall be paid an additional $5.
(vi)Uncertificated assistant teachers in Domestic Science or Handic,raft Centres with approved course at Carnegie School for Women or Kingston Trade Centre respectively should be paid at the rate of an uncertificated who has passed the end -of fourth year Pupil Teachers' assisfa:nt Trade .

.. .... examinalion JUNIOR TEACHERS ...... $10 p.m. REGULATION 9,5 SCHOOLS: - (a) Certificated Head Teacher -.... $30-$2.50-$35 W.L.

HEAPE, Officer Administering the Government.

(d) 2nd October, 1944.

SCHEDULE.


(b) Uncertificated $40-$2.50-$60 Head Teacher .

..... $30-$2.50-$45 of a Regulation N.B.-Any Head Teacher PROPOSED SALARY SCALES FOR TEACHERS IN PRIMARY SCHOOLS.

(a) PUPIL TEACHERS:- (i) End _of fourth year (ii)Fourth year i25 p.m. 20 p.m. 95 school who does not hold a must be teacher's certificate required within ,5 years to qualify of the coming iuto force of the new scales of salaries.

If he does not qualify upon to resign.


he should be called G99 A nnounceinents LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.

Announcements 700 (C)Uncertificatect Assistant er-temporary employment fixed.

Teach­ $1� liraue 8alary pe1 month $ 80 BA.H.

t.rracte -�n<1 u1ass untrarneu Starting points within teJ U�R'rlFICATED ASSlS'l'AN'1· 'rEACHERS- One long grade $40--!li�.50 -$6U-$i> -$80 p.m. with bars at $50, $60 and $70 .• 85 90 BA.H.

�.5 100 vracte Salary per Starting points within month.
$40 4,5 50 BAR 55 60 BAR ... _ 65 70 BAR.. .... 75 80 Grade.

_ ... 3rd Class.

...... 2nd Class untrained!

1st Claiss untrained, 2nd Class trained .. .... 1st Class untrained; 1st class trained.

N.8.-(i) lf an assistant ls at a teacher ......

.

::net u1ass lrainea­ remams at :jil:JU t111 he has passeu tu� .BAH.. -1st Ulass untratned ..... .1st Class trainect­ remains at $110 till he has passed the BAR.

$100 105 110 BAH.
$100 105 110 BAH.

115 120 $12i0 125 130 BAR 135 140 _, ... Head reachers of senior schools or schools ' departments with senior or head teacher Trade Centre.

of a point in the above grade equal to or above the minimum of a third class head teacher as head teacher appointed shall start in the long grade for head teachers at the same salary plus one increment and plus First Assistant's if any.
and is he allowance, $140 145 1,50 BAR 155 160 N.B.-(ii) No third class or second class teacher untrained shall be eH­ gible for appointment teacher $60 BAR.

as a head who has not passed the N.B.-(iii) No trained or first class shall be eli­ teacher as a hearl who has not passed the untrained gihle for appointment teacher $70 BAR.

N.8.-(iv) All first assistant teachers of $10 shc.tll be paid an allowance a month in addition to salary payable under the Regulations.
(f)HEAD TEACHERS'.- One long grade-$60 -$5-$160 p.m. with bars at $70, $90, $110, $130 and $150.

Grade Salary per Starting Grade points within ...... 3rd Class month $ 60 65 70 BAR 75 80 1.To pass a bar a head teacher must have a clean record for two succes­ sive years and receive least ''GOOD'' the award of at of in respect (a)Organisation, instruction.

discipline and (b)School records, of the school.


at inspection for two years N.B.-(i) This means a. school must be fully inspected If through some un­ running.

circumstance two con­ foreseen secutive are not pos­ inspections sible then the head teacher should not be penalised.

has a clean record i.e., plaints been imposed under the Educa­ tion Ordinance Code or Regulations, been awarded ''GOOD or higher at one inspecth"'n be allowed then he may to cross the BAR.
or the Education and has for which penally ;1as If he no com­ N.B.-(ii) Trainedcertificated should be at a highf:lr point within the grade teachers starting head 701 A nnounce,mer;ts 6 OCTOBER, 1944.

.An·noii:neements 702 than untrained teachers-$10 head teachers.

certificated above untrained N.B.-(iii) An outstanding head teacher who has given meritorious ser­ vice and proved himself in every respect, be recommended ted promotion.
conduct, work, etc., may for accelera- teacher 5- A certificated appointed act when the post of head teacher vacant shall be appointed Head Teacher and shall enjoy the mini­ mum salary in long grade according to his qualifications, and shall also be which may fall entitled due during such to any increment temporary to is as Temporary employment.

Abolish Regulation therefor: and substitute 32 of the Code N.B.-(iv) Head teachers who improve their qualifications, i.e.
going from third class to second class etc.

would be eligible, proviued he has a clean Teco,rd as required by paragraph· (i) above, to the mmimum sal­ to proceed ary in the grade for the class or gained.

certificate "An uncerti.£icated teacher appointed certificate to take charge of a school shall ue given an.d shall bE.1 paid a provisional at the prescribed rate for an uncertifi­ cated teacher together bility of $15 a month.
allowance N.B.-No provisiona with a responsi­ l certlflcate shall be valid for more than 5 year� Head Teacher of Handicraft Science or Centre- Domestic N.B.-(v) No head teacher shall be to a school of average of 300 or over until the point of $120 appointed attendance he •has reached p.m. in the long grade of sal.

aries.

2.Heacl.

teachers in charge of schools Junior Schools:- which have no upper division, I.e.

a.3rd.
a.3rd.

Class $60-$5--$80-Bar at $70 $80-$,5�$100 b.2nd Class untrained $90-$i5-Hltl c.2nd Class trained ...... ...... .N.B.-li) No tirst class trained or teacher should be untrained employed Junior School.
as head teacher of a N.B.-(ii) When Junior Schools are 3rd Class with salary $60-$,5--$101.l 2nd Clas,s trained with salary $90-$,5·-$1io 1st Class trained with sa.lary N.8.-(i) Teachers of special $110-$5-$140 subjects in or Senior Depart­ or Domestic Senior Schools ments of Schools, Handicraft shall be paid in the scale $80-$5 -$-120 with bar at $100.

Only first class trained sidered teachers will be con­ for such appointments.
Agriculture, Science, N.B.-(ii) teacher Where a certificated is to take charge of a or Domestic not available Science Handicraft Centre an uncertificated teacher may be appointed scribed teacher together allowance sibility with a respon­ of $15 a month.

at the pre­ rate ror an uncertificatect as envisaged by Mr. established Hammond in his memorandum B.G.E.

4, the head teachers of any• class might at the appropric::te long grade set out in paragraph 7 (f).
be appointed point in the SOCIAL WELFARE ORGANISATION.

The COLONIAL SECRET AH.

Y (Acting) Messages to the Council:- communicated the following Regulation 30 (3) should be reword­ ed if above scales are adopted.

MESSAGE NO.

4.
MESSAGE NO.

4.

Members of the Legis­ Honourable lative Council: 3.A certificated teacher appointed Since the appointment of the Com­ to take charge of a branch school should a responsibility receive p.m. allowance of $10 4.An assistant teacher appointed to receive act as a head teacher shall a of $15 p.m. during allowance responsibility the absence of the head teacher.

This amount shall be in addition and responsibility paid.
to the salary allowance already in 1943, and the establish-­ as Social Social Welfare r of Local Government missione Officer Welfare ment of the Advisory Committee, the Council time approved sonnel for the formation Welfare organization shape with grant-aid Development request and Welfare Act, 1940.

A by the has from time to of per­ the appointment has now been put forward of the Social which is taking under the Colonial 703 Announcements ' - .

- - LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.


Announcemen-ts 70,1 might for the local pro­ Social Welfare Officer vision of a sum of $1,000 on this year's from which assistance estimates be given to organisations engaged in assistance welfare activities, of such that it could not modest proportions properly application ment and Welfare.

before the Oouncil, opportunity regarding Social Hon·ourable it is expected perform.
be made the subject of an for Develop­ to the Comptroller to review the whole position and to acquaint Members with the functions the new organisation In placing this request I am taking the WelfarP., will 2.The following posts attached to the Department been created of Local Goverrunent and filled already:- have Social Welfare Officer, ( a) Assistant (b)Junior (c)Youth Organiser, (d)Class I Clerk (revised scale) ' (e)Typist, while attached Law Commissioners is the (f)Woman Child Welfare Officer.
to the Office o!

the Poor An application approval has been made and has of from the Secretary received State, for the appointment of a (g)Chief Probation Officer, with the necessary and a candidate qualifications half in the United Kingdom.

Further applications have been ma-de as follows:- for both oHice and field staff is being sought on our be.
Officer, (h)Woman Social Welfare (i)Record Clerk, (j) Co-operative (k)Handicraft (1)6 Male District (m)3 Women District Organiser, Organiser, Officers, Officers.

Six officers (five men and one woman) in­ to fit them for the posts at (1) are already in Jamaica undergoing struction and (m).

Training arranged promoting an applicati for a has also been in the work of 4-H Clubs, and for two officel's on will shortly and organising go forward (n)Male 4-H Club Organiser, (o)Woman 4-H Club Organiser.

and 3.
and 3.

'l'he headquarters above will be occupied tiv� and other duties arising of the District activities staff enumerated with administra­ out of the and Officers, to visit and the work of the Dis­ whu will specialise the Junior Social Welfare and Woman Social Welfare will be required of the Comp.

Social Welfare Advisor for the social ser­ of the colony's , the Assistant Youth Or­ from the recommendations troller's improvement vices.

ln addition Social Welfare Officer, ganiser.


Officer inspect regularly trict Offwers; Officer should accompany their inspactions tutions Co-operatives, will naturally travelling the Child Welfare Officer bation Officer here, but it would be as well to describe the work that District intended and supervision Handicrafts, spend most of their time the country.
The duties of in delinquency, on Boards of Visitors insti­ of all reformative of to perform under the direction of the headquarter and the Pro­ call for no explanation in the Colony.

The Organisers and 4-H Clubs are Officers s staff.

4.It is proposed that they should will ndt be recreation of wholesome beyond a scale which each the individu and mentally, a means of al more fibted, tor the task of but livelihood devote their time to' rural reconstruction.
The importance must not be forgotten-as rendering physically earning a satisfactorv purely social activiti�s encouraged is willing district and can, in fact, support.
basis practical to work upon a severely is inevitable, can­ since the community not bear the cost of adequate services been improved, from many points of view that services should be established of continued assistance Tre•asury for an indefinite on the assumption from the Imperial for itself, The decision until the economic situation has and it is undesirable to support period.

social the living conditions capacity of the people.

It for them to devise ways 6.


The chief concern of District Offic .. will therefore be the of group activities ahneJ at within the dis­ self-sufficiency ers for the present creation g.reater trict, and united action over common problems affecting and earning will be necessary in whkh rural populations themselves with cottage handicrafts.
buying clubs, marketing and co-operative provide activity advantages to estab­ It should alSiO be possible lish on a voluntary basis some modest social services, simple creche for the benefit profitably or village The promotion and an educational housing groups will between cropS­ such ts a can employ ?f working value.

knowing both mz.ierial and industries of thrift clubs, .

co-operatives 705 Announcement.s 6 OCTOBER, 1944.


A. nnouncements 106 and adult education classes, In catering mothers, particularly for youth, the recreational necessarily handicrafts nevertheless.

for illiterates.

aspect must _play a greater part, but will be vigorously pursued staff are work­ 6.The groups formed in districts welfare where the social ing should provide media through which Government may more effectively dis­ information seminate new agricultural public health matters.
tact wHl have to be maintained between other departments Organisation methods, nutrition and The closest con­ and the Social Welfare this end.

to achieve on, for instance, under the Colo. Act.

In and -,Velfare gained at Belfield for and Welfare having prom­ Ariny with funds granted nial Development 1946, the experience will be examined, the Comptroller Development ised to consider recommend years· the question site �ill have to be decided time.
The cost of maintaining of $4,300 School will be in the vicinity as in 1945, but will increase somewhat greater tJon available.
then whether he will five use is made of the accommoda­ of a more suitable at the same assistance for a further this 10.With regard to the rE:lief of des­ 7.The estimated expenditure in 1945 and other allowances Salaries Organiser at $9,000 per annum, for the above personnel will on salaries amount to $29,600 in round figures, while travelling have been provided bringing the total expenditure to $38,600.

Handicraft District from these figures, ments are not likely time to come.
The assistance granted, applied for, under the Colonial Develop­ ment and Welfare Act, 1940, covers expenditure for a period of five years, i.e., up to the year 1948 in some cases and 1949 in others.

and allowances for the and one of the hc.

:Ve been excluded since the appoint­ to be made for some Officers or payment of Old Age Pensions will commence machinery A proposal titution, under the new Ordinance from January next year, and the necess­ is being ary administrative set up meanwhile.
to decen­ the Alms House, and hand over tralise to the Medical the institution as additional accommodation patients, future consideration of securing ibility carried Investigations staff.

Child Welfare Officer mentioned have already attention much valuable avdlable such children above in better and on Poor Relief, data are being made owi_ng to the imposs­ the requisite out by the has had to be reserved for had some results concerning to children the situation of Department for pc::uper medical .
8.As far as the delinquency services to and particularly those of a more adequate proba­ upon a life­ law.
With it seems clear that the line to foliow for the of crime is that of preventing are concerned, most effective reduction first offenders, tender age, from launching long struggle against the this object in view it is proposed establish tion system when the services the Probation Officer become avc::ilable plans are being considered ing prison accommodation and a Young Offender's which will make possible gation of racidivists as yet unhardened The difficult also receiving .
At the same time, for provid­ problem of after-care is attention.

already mentioned to a life of crime.

the segre­ Detentio of from ,prisoners n Institution received 11.I would now invite the consi.d­ Members of thl, to be at the disposal by Honourable to place the sum of $1 000 on of are eration proposal the estimates, .
Requests the Social Welfare Officer frequently by him for the grant of small sums which, in many cases would en-able an immediate ma<'IP-with a desirable project, encourage tary organisation become in its maturity to the Social "\Velfare ful adjunct _g-ramme.

of the sum named will enable him to meet such calls where it appears to carry on, c.nd to an extremel y use­ pro­ desirable Provision or might start to be t9 do so.

GORDON LETHEM, Governor.


11th July, 1944. a young and struggling volun­ 9.At the Essequibo Boys' School Lhe neglected boy more up-to.date methods are contemp­ plated for re-adjusting to the o.emands of society.

A long-felt need for the means of giving similar girls is being filled training School, a three-year by a Belfield by the Salvation experiment to neglected Girls' conducted ESTATE OF JOHN DE FREI'l'AS, DECD.

MESSAGE No.

11.
MESSAGE No.

11.

Honourable Council, Members of the Legislative 707 Announcements LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.
Ann01mcements 708 1 have the honour to inform Honour­ acting in accordance with 13 of the Public Trustee Ordin- able Members of Council that the Public Trustee, section ance, Chapter onial Treasurer istration of the estate who died intestate sum of $294.89 ance remaining ili November, 1935, � being an unclaimed of his estate; at credit 245, paid over to the Col­ on completion of admin­ of John de Freitas bal­ EX-LANCE CORPL.

FONTANELLE'S PENSION.


The COLONIAL TREASURER ..:om­ mnnicated the Council:- the following Messages to 2.Mary Agnes de Freitas, a niece 0£ claimed the balance at the deceased, credit of the estate and enquiries were there were any whether made to ascertain other relatives who of the deceased might also have a claim to the estate.

MESSAGE No.

5.

Members of the Honourable Council, Council is invited to · approve of the entire service of Ex-Lance Corporal of Police No.
4094 Isaac A. Fontanel1e being counted in the following cir� cumstances:- for pension LegisJativ,� Consul at Funchal.

3.His Majesty's has informed Madeira, are five nephews of the de-­ that ther-e ceased living in that island and has forwarded documents in support of -:his.

this Government 4.The Public Trustee has according­ that the balance at ly recommended credit of the estate of Jahn de Freitas.
deceased , should be divided as follows:- Mr. Fonfanelle joined the British Gui­ ana Police Force on the 8th of January, 1913.

In 1915 he volunteered with His Majeslf;y's ffiorces, th: _British British from this Colony on the 21st of August, 1915.

He saw active service and was wounded.

for service enfo·;tecl in an1 left Guiana with the first contingent West India Regiment in Egypt $n.6o.

(a) to Mary Agnes de Freitas, (b) to the five nephews $220-79, to be among them.
less equally divided the expense incurred abouts.

of $12.46 which was in tracing their where­ 5.The maltier has been considered by the Executive the recommendation should be apjproved.
Council who advise that of the Public Trm,tee 6.Unde'r the proviso to section e the payment of claim thereto, may consider by the Public Tru� to 13 (3) of the Public Trustee Ordi­ nance, Chf..pter 245, the Legislative Council may authoris any sum of money paid over to the Colo-­ nial 'freasurer anyone whom they an equitable ing that all claims to payment of the money may be barred in law, and I nave the honour to invite Honourable Mem­ bers to authorise bclance de Freitas, deceased, the recommendation Trustee.
the payment of the at credit of the estate of John with of the Public in accordance to have notwithstc:.-nd­ W.L.

HE'APE, Officer Admlnistering the Government .

1944.

16th September, Mr. Fontanelle r�tturned to British to the Police of the injuries Guiana on the 17th of June, 1919, but did not then gain re-admission Force on account while on act�ve service.

employment (from November, 1922) in the Artille British ner.
for three years 1919 to November, ry Company of the as 2 District received He obtained Guiana Militia , however, Gun­ There was a break in his service with years of three and a quarter Government from November, into the 1926, when he was re-admitted Police Force.

Mr. Fontanelle on the 30th of September, 194�1- retired 1922 to 3rd February, finally for cases in which service is The Constabulary Ordinance, in this case, makes no Cap.
30, whicli is applicable provision , not continuous , but had Mr. Fontanelle in the Police Force subsequent enlisted to the 1st of June, 1938, he would have in this respect benefited 1933. sions Ordinance, by the Pen­ In view of the fact thc:t Mr. Font,ane,lle _from His Majesty's to the Police received that his failed on discharge Forces to gain re-admission of inj,uries Force on account it is proposed active service, gratuity his entire c:.
:ctual ing which he was employed Gunner (which was non-pensionable and paid from an open_ vote) being reduced to two-thirds, should be based on the period dur­ as a District and pension service, on ,09 Announcements 6 OCTOBER, i944.

Announcements 7io The revised pension and gratuity would be- Pensdon Gratuity Present $114 86 $557 6Q Reviserl $169 310 $820 00 Officer Administering the Governn1C;nt.

W .. L. HE.A.PE, 2nd August, 1944.

ACCEPTANCE OF FUNDS FOR DRAINAGE AND IRRIGATION SCHEMES.

MESSAGE No.

6.
MESSAGE No.

6.

Honourable Membe.rs or the Legislative additional works designed to make of advances from surplus bal­ Council, I have the honour to refer to Governor's Message No.

7 dc.

"ted the 16th of March, 1942, and to Resolution No.

XVI passed by the Council on the 18th of March, 1942, approving ances towards the cost of certain drainage and irrigation available tion and of expe rimental cultivation of rice by mechanical m&ns together with expcmsion of milling facilities.
Honour­ able Members will rec all that these schemes were initiated the Secretary of State for the Colonie::1 specificall production the endec.

"vour ments of the British West Indian CGlo­ nies.

y as measures to increase the of rice in British Guiana in to provide for land for rice cultiva­ at the request of the require­ 2.

A progress report on the schemes to Council on the 27th was ,presented August, 1943, as Council Paper No.

9 of 1943.
9 of 1943.

The works so far undertaken are now approaching completion, and the experimental cultivation by mechanical means has been started.

3.The GovernOT has addressed a series applications to the Secretary of State for free grants of despatches forwarding under the Colonial Devielopment and Welfare A.ct, 1940, to meet the cost of those schemes and plc.ns were then available.
The fol­ lowing are the schemes in respect ofl which applications have for which firm estimates been made:- Crabwood Creek ........... Lots 63 to 7 4, , $170,000 Corlent�ei .Cpast 73,600 W eldaad, West Coast Berbice ........ ................ Mc.haicony-Abary............ Perth Cana ......... -� Mahaicony Rice 42,600 275,000 18,000 Further applications respect of the remainder in progress.

are to follow in of the schemes 4.As the Governor has �..iready inti­ of areas the applica­ .
The Secre- that (a) the areas involved that the funds will be provided e annual acrec.
:ge rates cost of such improve­ of State has fw-ther mated in Finance Committee, tions relative to the schemes set out above have now been approved in respect of a total of £131,730, being a slight increase on the total of the applications to cover minor contingencies tary of State has notified the GoveJ:·nor that approval is subject to aceeptance the conditions should be crez.iedl declared drainage under the Drainage and Irrigation Ordi­ nance, 1940, (b) annual maintenance rates should be leviedi on an agreed basis and (c) any ,privQ,1:e lands improved should contribut towards the capital ment.
The Secretary intimated E.S a loan wtl.thou t interest in the first instance, given to the conversion free grant when action has been taken to implement the conditions laid down.

It will be noted that conditions and (c) abov,e aire analogous to those prescribed Bonasika drainage and irrigation (as set out in paragraph 2 of Governor's Message No.

3 of 12th December, 1942) and s.pproved by Council by Resolution No.

VII of 17th December, 1942.


In thia connection, as Members are aware, fo.e Committee appointed to investigate question drainage areas c..-nd of the imposition a tax on the increase in land values directly of schemes met from public funds has submitted a Report (Cow1cil Paper No.

15 of 22nd November, .1943) which is now under consideration .
but that consideration will be of a loan into a with respect to the Boerasirie­ attributable to the carrying out of maintenance rates in declared schem� at (b) the of 5.

I now invite the Council to approve of the acceptance of by formal resolution :funds provided under the Colonial Development meet the cost of the above-mentioned schemes on the terms and conditions herein set out.

and Welfare Act, 1940, to Officer Administering the Government.

W. L. HEAPE, 2nd August, 1944.


SECOND ONE MILLION DOLLAR LOA.N .............. Mill ................... ......... 20,000 Anna Regina Rice Mill .................. ...... ___ 32,000 TO U.K. GOVERNMENT.

MESSAGE No.

7.

$632,000 £131.,667 Honourable Members of the Legislative Council, 711 Announcements LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.

Announcements 712 I have the honour to refer to Sir Gordon Lethem's Mess&:ge No.

5 of 31st.
5 of 31st.

May, Resolution 1943, and the related of 3rd June, 1943, by which Council approved $1,000,000 from surplus conditions Message.

funds o:fi this Colony on the 2 of the of an interest to His Majesty's stated in paragraph free loan of No.

X Government scheme Mr. Seaubalak's 1911 to 31st December, 1931 on the launch "Swift".
On Admin­ of the District post 1st January, as motorman the inauguration istration became redundant At the time of his retrenchment there existed could have been granted respect a gratuity up to that date.

under which he in of his services no authority and he was retrenched.

2.Honourable Members will recall 2.In view of the fact that Mr. Seau­ the amount of might be considered.
in it was suggested that that when this matter Wc'.S discussed Finance Committee of increasing the question the loan to $2,000,000 In view of the fact that the surplus bal­ ance at the end of 1943 amounted to nearly $6,000,000 cash resources ancial operations the present has been decided, with the c.<l.vice Executive loan of $1,000,000 service balak's was entirely appointment fault of his own, Council f.!pprov,e ly 1st January, 1931, being regarded his present qualifying under the provisions cil Resolution August, 1940. are ample to cover the fin_::-' t for .
of the Governmen futuxe it of the c:.nd that the existin!!

and the immediate to make a further Council, this year.

service satisfactory, between 1911 and 1931 and that his through no is invited was terminated to of Legislative Coun­ No.
XXXV of the 21st of of that period of s�rvice, name-• 1911, to 31st December, as continuous with for the purpose of on retirement for a gratuity 3.Th� Secret&Ty of State has informed me that His Majesty's Government would gratefull � ac cept the additional loan (if _ the Legislative Council approves) and has dso requested h: would wish me to convey to Com:- �11 a formal expression tion of His Majesty's Government.
that, in that event, of the apprecia­ 4.I accordingly invite the Council free interest being made to His to approve of an additional loan of $1,000,000 Majesty's Government tions stated in Resolution June, 1943. on the same co�di­ No.

X of 3rd W.L.

HEAPE, Administering the Government.

Officer 24th August, 1944.

GRATUITY To MR. J. SEAUBALAK MESSAGE NO.


8. is invited of Mr. J. Seaubalak Council, to approve of the Council during the services as con­ period 1911 to 1931 being treated service com­ with his present tinuous mencing on 1st June, 1942, for the pur­ for a gratuity on pose of qualifying retirement ces:- in the following circumstan­ Mr. Seaubalak was appointed post, namely, present man of the Lands and Mines launch "Karani" Mr. S�a\lbala� on 1st June, 1942.
Prior to 1942 ��rv�c;l Gover�ment Captain froni to his and Motor­ Officer W.L.

HEAPE, Administering the Govt 25th August 1944.

GUARANTEED PRI™S FOR FARMER-3 MESSAGE NO.

9 Members of the Legislative min-· .
I Mem­ will recall that that the policy should be to fix reason­ and that in one of these Hunourable Council, Honourable Members from time to time in the past the Gov­ to the Council ernor has submitted utes on the subject of prices for farm producers minutes c'.S far back as the 12th of June, 1942, he indicated of Government ably good prices to the producers have now to inform Honourable bers that the ad hoc Government Produce �d Marketing mittee, Legislative Committee, in keeping with those now being paid for good qUc..•lity the Government Produce Depot <iliould be maintained months; this, it is anticipated, a financial loss on the working of the Depot which may amount to $50,000.
The Com:mittee Government existing loss to enS!Ure the farmers against prices, in case of glut, should be continued for the next three years.

These prO!posals b�v� r�c��v�g �� �ntire appi:ov�l o{_ th,� for the next twelve will enfail with the full SUIPPOrt of the that the minimum have recommended produce delivered also recommend guaranteed th.at prices Scheme Com­ to Honourable Members of the Legislative Council Food Production �·13 Annauncements6 OCTOBER, 1944.
Announcements 711 Executive Honourable currence Council, Miembers to record their con­ in principle.

therewith and I now invite shown in thfi Schedule hereto.

Officer W.L.

HEAPE, Administering the Government 2.

The two groups of prices recon1.­ mended by the ad hoc Committee are 30th August, 1944.

BUYING PRICES FIXED FOR ONE YE:\R.

GOVERNMENT GUARANTEED MINIMUl\l PRICES FOR THREE YEARS.

SCHEDULE.

.

-............................ Plantains 1 c. per lb.

2 c. p�r lb.
2 c. p�r lb.

............ Plantains .......................................... 2½c.

,, ,, Tannias ................. .

........... Tannias ..... .......................................... 3 C. ,, ,, l½c.

,, ,, ............ Eddoes ................................................ Ed.does L{c. " " ........... .Yams (Buck & Bell)............ 3 c. ,, ,, Yams (Buck & Bell) .......... .

4}c. " " c." " ............ Cassava-Bitter .


¼- Sweet Cassava ...................... .. l}c. ,, ,, c." " ½ 2}c. " '' Sweet Potatoes ....................... .

2 c.,, " ............ Sweet Potatoes ...................... .. Black Eye Peas ....................... .

............ Black.

Eye Peas ...................... .. 5 c.·,,, Pigeon Peas ---.. � ............ ... .

Pigeon Pec:.-s ......... ............... .. ,.

..... .
..... .

............ 6 C. " " ............ Corn-Dried ............ ........ .......... .. c." " 2 -Sweet ....................... .

....................... 8 C. ,, ,, "' " The Depot will [Pay not less than these .prices until July, 1945, for produce that 1s good, clean and free of insects and mildew.

INCREASED PENSION To MR. G. H. DEY.

MESSAGE No.

10.

Members of the Legislative Honournble Council.


Mr. George Hugh Dey was anpointed in the Customs on the 1st of April, 1910, at to the post of Engineer Department a salary of $312 per 2nnum.

He received small increases time until the 1st of April, salary became $600 per annum which he drew until his retirement on the 31st of May, 1944, reaching yec.:rs.

of salary from time to 1925, when his the �ge of 60 2.
Mr. Dey's duties were to keep the engines of the Customs Department launches reports his 34 years' service tently satisfactory.

in good working order and the on l',-ir.

Dey's work throughout has been consis­ 3.

On retirement ed an annual allowance was the maximum amount was eligible islative the 21st of August, under the provisions of Leg­ No.

XXV of Resolution 1940.

Mr. Dey was award­ of $227.77 which for whi.ch he Council of sipecial .
The Comptroller of Cus­ that he is satisfied that con­ savings in expenditure that his case is most deserving consideration toms reports siderable effected good work, and that Mr. Dey underk-ok at all times work not connecte Customs launches ation.

d with extra remuner•• �s a result of Mr. Dey's very without were 5.
The circumstances have been sub­ granted Council for consid­ of the payment of a pensdon mitted to Executive eration Mr. Dey instead already has advised be invited Dey of an increased $400 with effect from 1944. of the annual dlowance to him, and that Council Council of the grant to Mr annual allowance the 1st of .June, that the Legislative to approve to of invited to 6.Council is accordingly of Execu­ approve th:s recommendation tive Council.

Officer W.L.

HE'APE, Administering the Government.


6th September, 1944.

PAPERS LAID- 4.The annual allowance granted to Mr. Dey has been under review in rela­ tion to the length and quality of Ms s.er­ vice, and it ha$ been ienerally· agreec..l The COLONIAL SECRET ARY ( Act­ ing) laid on the table the followin� reports and <;locumenti;; ;..,- 715 Papers Laid LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL G01.,t.

Notices 716 expe-ndi­ Statement of Supplementary during the ture which has occurred yea!'
1943, and which has not been for the schedule in any previous included year 1943, and is to be admitted :o.s a charge to public funds under Colonial 265 (2).

Regulation Schedule the quarter required to meet expenditure of the provision for the year 1944.

Provision of Additional 1st April to 30th June, 1944, in excess made in the estimates for Report of the Forest Department for Report of the Teachers' Salaries Committee.

Report of the Income Tax Commis­ sioners for the year 1943.

GOVERNMENT NOTICES.
GOVERNMENT NOTICES.

PERSONAL ALLOWANCE To SIR JOHN VERITY.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL gave notice of the following motion:- the year 1943.

Report of the Committee mc::n Trust Fund for the year 1943. of the 'frot­ Annual Re[Jort by the Director of the Imperial Institute for the year 1943.

The Imperial Foref\tiry of Oxford - Eighteenth and Nineteenth Institute Uni­ Annual Annual versity Report 1941-42 Report 1942-43. approves the Government's THAT, with reference to the Officer Mess,1ge Administering No.
14 of the 28t..1-i September, this allowance Council at the rate of £200 per annum being paid to His Honour Sir John Verity, Chief Justice with effect 1944, from the first day of January, ANOMALIES COMMITTEEJS REPORr.

of the Colony, of a personal the Report of the Mitchell Fund Trustees for the year 1943.

Resolutions adopted at the Seventh of the Associated West Indian Congress Chambers of Commerce.
The West Indies Schooner of Pool Authority accounts December, 1943. and statement1 on tl1e half year ending 31st Fool-Report of Report of the Pos:t Office Savings Bank for the ye,c.T 1943.

Report of the Colonial year 1943. .

Report of the De,partmen for the year 1943.

Report of the for the year 1943.

Treasurer for the t of Labour Superintendent of Prison, Social and Economic age and Irrigation Corentyne Huggins.

Aspects of Drajn­ Schemes, No.


1 by Mr. H. D. Coastlands, The COLONIAL TREASURER gave notice of the following motion:-- THAT, with reflerence to the ·Officer 1944, this the Government's Message Administering No.

13 of the 25th September, Council approves of the Anomalies Committee Paper No.

19/1944) in the Message, cc::tions being adopted with erffect from 1st 1944, inclusive, January.

to vote the funds necessary to the ;proposals.


effect THAT, with reference and undertakes to give with the modifi­ to the Officer indicated s Message approves of the revised the Government' Administering No.

15 of the 2nd October, 1944, this Council scdes as set out in the Schedule to the Mesis:age being adopted with effect from the 1st January, to vote the necessary effect to the proposals.

funds to give salary 1944, and to undertake Report of the Anomalies Note by the Colonial Committee.
on the Treasurer posi- present and prospective financial tion (1944).

Defence (Georgetown Regulations Rent Contirol) 1944.
(Amendment) Defence (Georgetown Premises Recov­ ery Control) List of artkles Regulations 1944. not ordinarily exempt from duty which hav,e been speci&lly exempted by the Governor under item 2 of the Fourth Schedule of tJhe Customs Duties < kdinance, during 1943. in Council Schedule of applications of deceased for gratuities teachers from dependents during the period August, 1940 to August, 1943.

The Post Office (Undelivered Postal Regulations, ,Piacketsl) (Amendment) 1944--No.
18 of 1944- GRANTS To SOCIAL WELFARE ORGANIZATIONS.

The COLONIAL SECRET A RY gave notice of the following (Acting) motions:- on suppleimentar·y THAT, with :rieference to the Govern­ of a sum of approves or's Message No.

4 of the 11th of .Tuly, 1944, this Council $1,000 being provided for the current year and �stimates at the disposal of the So<:ial plc::ced of makmg Officer for the purpose Welfare it appe�rs grants of small sums, where to do so, to voluntary desirable Welfare Organisations start to be ®.
imm�clie.,t� Social so as to enable :made with a, Report (Legis[c..Hve Council 717 Government 6 OCTOBER, 1944.

Notices 718 desirable and struggling voluntary or to encourage a young project, organisation.

tive Council Resolution 3l'd June, 1943.

No.

X 01 ESTATE OF JOHN DE FREITAS DECD.

THAT, with reference to the Officer with the the Government's Message Administering No.
11 of the 16th of Sell)tember, 1944, this Council in accordc:.nce proviso to section 13 (3) of the Public Trustee izes the payment of the balance at credit of the estate of John de Freitas, deceasedr to the relatives deceased Trustee, to be divided as recommended as follows:- o,£ the said b!Y the Public Chapter 245, author­ Ordinance, (a) to Mary Agnes de Freitc:.
:s ...... (b)to the five nephews ..... ............. $22().79 $ 73.60 to be divided equally the expense of $12.46 - which was ineurred in tracing their whereabouts.

among them less PENSION FOR EX-LCE.

CORPORAL.

The COLONIAL TREASURER gave notice of the followng THAT, with reference the Governmen motions: -- to the Officer of the entire service Administering No.

5 of the 2nd August, 1944, this Council approves of Ex-Lanoe-CoJ.1POral of Felice No.
4094 Isaac A. Fontanelle for pension pension respectively.

being counted and th�t he receive a revised y of $169.30 and $820, t's Message and gratuit FUNDS FOR RICE EXPANSION SCHEMES.

THAT, with ·r,eference to the Officer the Government's Message of the acceptance oil under the Colonial Administering No.
5 of 'the second of August, 1944, this ColllliCil approves funds provided Development and Welfar,e Act, 1940, to meet the cost of the following rice expansion Crabwood Creek ...... Lots 63-74, Corentyne schemes:- $170,000 Weldaad, Coast ...... West Coast, ...... 73,600 Berbice ...... Mahaicony-Abary " 18,000 .

......... Perth Canal ...... Rice Mahaicony ·"······.. 42,600 275,000 Mill ................ _ 20,000 Anna Regina Rice Mill ................ .. 32,000 $632,000-£ 131,667 GRATUITY TO MR. J. SEAUBALAK.
THAT, with reference to the Office1 Message approves the Government's of the service ot M1.

during the period 1911 Administering No.

8 of the 25th of August, 1944, this Council J.Seaubalak to 1931 being treated service his present June, 1942, for the purpose of qualify­ ing for a gratwty on retirement under of Legislative the provisions Council Resolution No.

XXXV of the 21st of August 1940.

GUARANTEED MINI.MUM as continuous on 1st commencing PRICES For.

·..vith FARMERS.
·..vith FARMERS.

THAT, with reference to the Office1 Message in principle the Government's Committee with those now being paid Administering No.
9 of the 30th August, 1914, this with the Council concurs made by the recommendations ad hoc Government Produce and Marketing Scheme Committee with the :full mipport of the Legislative Food Pr,oduction in keeping for good quality produce delivered the Government be maintained for the next twelve months and that the existing ment guaranteed ensure the farmer against glut, SJhould be continued three ye@rs, as set out in the Schedule to the Mlessage.
Govern­ minimum prices to loss in case of Council that price5 should Produce Depot for the next to INCREASED PENSION FOR MR. G. H. DEY.

THAT, with reference to the Officer Message Administering the Government's No.

10 of the 6th of September, 1944, this Council approves of the grant to Mr. G. H. Dey, retired Engineer, Customs Department, of an �eased annual allowance 1st of June, 1944. of $400 with effect from the SUPPLEMENTARY THAT, this Council approves the ESTIMATE, 1943.
Expendi­ of Supplementary Statement ture which has occurred during the year 1943, and which has not been for included in any previous schedule as the year 1943 and is to be admitted a charge to public funds under Colonial Regulation on the table.

265 (2), which has been lc:.-id SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE APRIL-JUNE, 1944.

THAT, this Council approves the Provision for the Schedule of Additional quarter 1st April to 3oth J �.

1944., +equireq.
1944., +equireq.

w Jll�t ���nditur� ip SECOND MILLION DOLLAR LOAN ·To U.K. THAT, with reference to the Officer the Governmernt's Message Administering No.

7 of the 24th of August, 1944, this Council approves of an additional interest-free made to His Majesty;s the Sf.me conditions loan of $1.000,000 being s�tec;l in �egisla.- Government on 719 Questions LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.

Qv.es1bions 720 excess of the provIS1on made in the estimates for the year 1944, which has been laid on the table.
[NTRODUCTION OF BILL.

WORKING OF GOVERNMENT ESTATES.

Mr. EDUN asked and the COLONIAL SECRETARY (Acting) laid over replies to the following questions:- The COLONIAL TREASURER gave and first notice of the introduction of the following reading Bill:- Q.

1.-What are the comparntive figures of revenue and expendi­ ture of the Government est1ates of Windsor Forest, La Jalousie and Hague during the years 1941, 1942 and 1943 regarding tlie cultivated est�tes?
aforesaid are as follows:- A-The figures sections of the The S'U,pplementary Appropriatfon (1943) Bill_.

1944· CULTIVATED SECTIONS.

1941.

1 1942.

I1943.

!Expenditure Revenue.

Revenue, !Expenditure Revenue.


!Expenditu: $ C $ C Windsor 87 14,249 53 Forest ... 3,36�� La Jalouf;ie ...5,870 17 5,021 Hi Hague ... ...5,553 96 2,604 38 14,787 00 21,875 07 $ C 4,072 86 7,907 16 4,521 26 7,380 10 $ C $ C $ C 4,931 94 6,391 97 6,481 82' 12,368 67 4,152 56 10,773 03 4,964 28 9 394 37 rn,157 36 24,972 16 J5,967 36 29,143 14 exceeded Expenditure considerable years as a large sum was spent in over­ of maintenance.

taking c'.
taking c'.

!rrears amount during the three revenue by a Under normal conditions should not exceed the revenue.

expenditure Q 2.-What are the comparative of revenue and expendi­ figures ture of the house lot sections of the Government Windsor Forest, Hague during 1942 and 1943?

of La J alousli.e and the yec:rs 1941, estates A-The figures are as follows:- HOUSE LOT SECTIONS.

1941.

1942.

1943.

Revenue.

Revenue Revenue.


Expenditure I !Expenditure !Ex pen di lure I � Windsor s C Forest .. 207 60 507 25 La Jalousie ... 110 76 287 58 Hague ... ... 118 35 342 62 4i$6 71 1,137 45 129 20 356 34 $ C 161 43 65 71 $ C $ C $ C 665 73 222 61 776 77 $ C 441 53 117 64 441 78 500 36 195 56 625 84 1,607 62 535 81 1,844 39 ORDER OF THE DAY.
COVE &' JOHN AND VERGENOEGEN• Mr. JACOB asked and the COLON - IAL SECRETARY (Acting) replies to the following laid over Q· (1)-Will Government questions!- why explain Cove and J o:hn Plantations Eln4 Ver�enoe� e11- � Demerar& purposes, for have not been acquired land settlement c.'S recommended by the Land Committee which Settlement was appointed in February, which submitted c.n interim 194.3?

report in · August, and -Government is iI!

this case not authoris to vurch�e ed 721 Question s 6 OCTOBER, 1944.
Motion 722 without first presenting an of the cost to the estimate .

The authority of Legislature Council by Reso­ Legislative numbers III and V of lut�ons 1944 has novV' been obtained with the proiprie­ to negotiate tors and endeavour to arr::-�nge purchase of Plantatio genoegen, Bank, Essequibo River, and Cove and John, East Coc·st, Demerara, and action is pro­ ceeding.
cum annexis, East r1s Ver­ to move:- of the Land Settle­ mendations the number ment Committee, being limited selected of persons by the ariea avc:!ilable.

It is not that a census is considered required.

PERSONAL ALLOWANCE JOHN VERITY• The ATTORNEY-GENERAL: I beg TO SIR approves THAT, with rererence to the Officer the Government's l\fos­ Administering sage No.
14 of the 28th September, this allow­ of a personal Council ance at the rate of £200 per annum being paid to His Honour Sir John Verity, the Chief Justice of the Colony, of January, with effect from the first day 1944.

Q (2)-Is Government landlord� by certain unconcerned of hundreds still about the welfare of workers who arc being victimised in Demerara who have been and a e bein� to remove their given notices houses, out-hous pens, or in the alternative, some cases, rent of over 300 per cent?
pay an increase es 2ncl catrt:le and Berbice, and in A.

--Government has never been unconcerned about the wel­ fare of the workers and has caused fu]l investi gations to be made in dl cases ·which have been brought Investigations not substantiated tions of victimisation.

tc, date have the allega­ to notice.

Q.

(3)-WillGovernment cause a i to ascertain census to be tc.·ken the number of person, and/ o:r who reauire hous� lots families on which to build their houses.
and to lease cultivation and pasturage :ftrom three to fifteen acres per person and/or family as recommended by the ] 943 Land Settlement Committee, in the fo11owing y:- separatel districts, areas to the exteut:l of ec.·ch district ( a)West Coast of Demerara.

(b)West Bank of Demerara.

(c)East Bank of Demerara.

( d)East Coast of Berbice.

(e)West Coast f'f B<>rbi.�e.

(f)East Bank of Berbice.

(g)The Canje District.

(h)The Corentyne Distri.c�.

The facts in support of this motion Hon.


Members set out in Message No.

14 occurred to improve the prestige It is only neceS<sary certain facts which are that at or about the time Camacho, one or two which were not of are clearly which has been from Your Excellency, laid on tho table this morning, and copies of which are in the hands of all for hon.

Members.

me to underline stated in the Message.

will recollect of the death of Sir Maurice the then Chief Justice, incidents calculated the Supreme Court.
It was therefore obviously that the high necessairy office of Chief J ustuce of this Colony should be 'filled possible.

that the person selected vacancy bring his influence to bear upon the Court and cause its decisions to take effect.

It so happened that Sir John Verity had been on the Bench of the Supreme Court of this Colony for a period exceeding fact he had acted with distinction Chief Justice as recently 1938.

In the circumstances, therefore, was the obvious late Sir Maurice Camacho.

he choice to.
he choice to.

succeed the three years and in as It was even more important should be a person who could as quickly as as August, to fill that A - -I£ and when the estates to in Reoolutio-ns III, referred IV and V of 1944 have been purchased by Government., will be selected in settlers accordanc� with the reoom- There were difficulties about that, however.

At that time Sir John Verity was Chief Justice of Zanzibar, and it 723 Allowance lo LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.
Sir John Verity 724 at of to come to positions that Zanzibar Legal Service.

course of events, an invitation In fact the Secretary g the difficulties of th� less than is one of the , in the Conditions post of Chief Guiana to the Chief In view of the we were e,xperiencing the Secretary so happens best appreciated Colonial service there are inter:esting, salary is only very slightly that drawn by Sir Maurice Camacho, and the cost of living is very much less.
In the ordinary therefore, Sir John Verity would never have thought twice about accepting this Colony.

State would never have thomrht of the vacarit offering Justice of British Justice of Zanzibar.

difficulties at that time, however, of State sent a long cable to Sir ,John Verity explainin specially consider We all lrnow that Sir John and Verity accepted came to this Colony.

I do not think I am overstating it was solely that he came he·re.
well aware at the time that from his own personal and otherwise, he would be worse off here.

Hon.

Members will be aware that if one is called upon to leave his .

home in one Colony to open one m another charge on one's pocket.

A part from that, for years the cost of living in t�is Colony has been imme2.surably higher than in Zanzibar, has .

H 1s ivery much more so here at the time Sir John Verity accepted to come here.

the invitation asking him if he would coming to this Colony.
the case by saying that due to his sense of duty Colony it means a heavy He was perfectly that invitation standpoint, increased financial and the war greatly now than and Another peculiar circumstance campaign was at its height, space was absolutely about the matter is that Sir John Verity came here at a time when the submarine and shipping a premium, probably moment of the whole war.

The result has been that Lady Verity has never been abJe to get transport tP this Colony.
The �l:l,tur�) a�d from Africa at the tightest at that disparity.

and I know the conditions who came here at special things out.

He "No, I have been result is that he has had the two homes, one in of keeping obvious expense this Colony and one in South Africa is high.

These where the cost of living things should not be borne by an officer request to straighten may well have said there before.

I simply cannot afford to go there.


:, However, Sir John Verity did not, and he came here to perform public ser­ vice.

In the circumstances tary of State expressed to approve personal per annum if such action was appro\7ed by this Council.

Members of the Council the sense of duty that brought Verity here, and give the motion their and I trust sympathetic theiir With thos; words I formally consideration support.

move the motion.
move the motion.

of the payment to him of a at the rate of £200 will appredate Sir .T ohn I am quite sure that sympathetic allowance the Secre­ his willingness Mr. WOOLFORD seconded.
Mr. LEE: I would like it to be should to review of Judges will be subject the appointment in Hansard that the principle of State for the is that their salaries recorded underlying by the Secretary Colonies not come under review by this Council at any time, the reason being that Judges should be free to administer to one and all.

The effect of justice will be that to this resolution passing a certain extent the salary of the Chief Justice every year.
I feel that that would be against the principle appointment Court.

I do not say that Sir .John his promotion Vertty has not sacrificed for which to come to this Colony, to him, the Colony is very grateful but at the same time he ,Yas definitely to the post was the highest this Colony could give, and he accepted on those terms.

I admit appointment that on account of the high cost of is living and the fact that q.ot�'ble fl.Wa;v f;r9m Mm he h.�l?
ha� of Judges of the Supreme told that the salary attached underlying his famil:r the the 725 Allowance to 6 OCTOBER, 1944.

Sfr John Verity 726 , officers that he should be was amended in this but if the Secretary of S-tate expense, deems it desirable paid a higher salary he should give instructions to amend the Civil U.st with that object.
The Civil Ordinance LiiSt Ordinance and higher salaries were passed Council of the Government for certain of State gave and if the Secretary that the salary of the instructions Chief Justice should be increased I have no doubt that this Council would agree to it.

It was said in Finance Committee thait this Council could review the a.ction of a Judge by promo­ Ho.n at any time.

I agree, but I am of the opinion kind is I an im.fringement of the Government's Imperial of the appointment of Judges.
I do not say that the Chief Justice is notJ of consider[\,tion, but the deserving be dealt with by amend­ matter should ing the Civil List Ordinance.

that a resolution of this policy in re,spect It on the of other Offi­ in I sub­ the salaries on the Council to the Judges' tim� ago I dropped a hint the salaries of the We y.

During the discussion that there will It seems that there will Some little which seemed to have gone unnoticed.

seemed to have no effect generall Civil List I indicated be an◊1malies.
have to be an anomaly committee relation salaries.

mit that at some time or other we vdll have to conside1r Judges and no doubt increase them.

are increasing cers who are in other respects compar­ Offi­ able with the Judges and of certain cers who are not comparable with the Judges.

I think tha,t will come.

I am glad to see we will have the support of the two hon.
Members who have spoken, if they are still Members of the Council there is anyone sitting table or h1 the Colony who has had who with the Chief Justice association would think that the amount of £200 given to him to make up the loss he has suffered or gratuity.

his judicial spheres respect of this Colony.

is in the nature of a gift He is known not only in capacity of activity of the inhabitants at that time.
1 do not ·think but in other and commands the and citizens around this there is ample justification Committee Judges asking that, in orde[' to asce1rt.ain Mr. EDUN: I think there is much in what the hon.

Member has said.

I did not attend the meeting of the Finance the need for this vote.

I am not unwilling to vote any money for the Judiciary, provided for it.

In this case I do not know how the amount to be voted would effect the Civil List.
Perhaps later on we may 'find othe1r their salaries matter which I think we must guard against.

the place where all Legislative Council acts are reviewed from time to time, and I wish to take th is opportunity for their patience the administration Supreme Court.

I say this much: that the public reposes Judges of to-day.

motion.

confidence in the I will vote for the to pay tribute to the Judges and forbearance be increased.
That i� a the Judiciary I consider of justice in the as in Mr. C. V. WIGHT: I quite agree with some of the remairks made.

I am glad to hear hon .. an increase of the Judges' salaries.

Members will support for Essequibo Mr. HUMPHRYS; There is just one point I would like to be clear on.

The hon.

Member River (Mr. Lee) seems to imagine this is an increase attached I understamd per,son,al office.

that is not so.

It is a to the present holder of the that of the salary to the office of Chief Justice.
The PRESIDENT: Yes, that is so.

Mr. HUMPHRYS: If and when Sir may or may us it may be who is then offered of Chief Justice, John Verity is leaving that the Officer, the office not deserve he leaves, will again be considered, that clear-the sala:ry of the office but a personal to the present I want to get is not on the " it.

I take it that if and when the salary of Chief Justice increase holder.

'i'27 Sir john Verity tEGiSLATIVE COUNCIL Anomalies 728 Mr. LEE : To a point of explana­ it is a personal tion!
I do realize but what I am saying is that allowance, it must come under review each year when the Budget is being considered, and I am against that in principle.

Chief disad­ to the present allowance personal in view of the special Justice suffered vantages ance of the office.

it to be.

If the present 1·esigns appointed not get that personal at any time and another is to his place, that Officer allowance.

by him in the accept­ That is how I take will Chief Justice The PRESIDENT: ber is quite correct.
The hon.

Mem­ Mr. J.

A. LUCKHOO: The salaries of · the office of to increase from of the Judges are fixed by Statute and have nothing to do with the Civil List.
It seems that an amendment the salary of the Chief Justice £1,800 to £2,000 will not be a personal increase to Sir John Verity alone hut for any future Chief Justice,, and the idea of the motion before the Council is that this £200 is to be given to Sir John for the disadvanrbageou� circum­ stances he is now suffering by reason of his acceptance Chief J us.tice of this Colony.

The hon.
The hon.

the Attorney-General has put the case for Sir John, I think, in a very elegant and I was manner and very forcibly, in mind when I somewhat disturbed heard the firsrb Member telling the increase he was again.st being paid to Sir John Verity.

Not only did Sir John come here at personal I go further and say, risked hi,s life at the very height of the submarine war­ fare in coming here.
ApaJrt from that fact which has shown him a very brave and courageous to come to these shores to help us in a which we were in so far as difficulty I am the Judiciary was concerned.

sorry the discussion by some remarks which nent to the matter.

man,, he left Zanzibar inconvenience us that of £200 has been permeated are not perti · should be is to ,,be actualJy the debates in this Council I just The ATTORNEY-GENERAL: like to thank hon.

Members for receiv­ ing and supporting this motion as they have done.
I publicly agree with every word the hon.

Member for Essequibo River said about the undesirability of the Judges' salaries coming before this Council f oir review every year or for any period.

Their salaries outside e�cept an increase fixed.

Hon.

Members will appreciate that this is a personal to Siir John Verity.

If we amend the Ordinance it would be extremely difficult to make void any appearance of that personal without a further Ordinance.

method is preferable.


is obvious appears in the Estimates gives an opportunity raise a debate on the Chief Justice's salary.

I feel sure that everyone preseut realizes it is a most deplorable thing lJ) do.

I trust when the Estimates come forward that all hon.

Members will show good sense in saying nothing item comes for review, keeping with the passing of this motion.
From all points of view thi:; This point of view to all: The fact that it amendment of the to e,vell"yone and it will be, in every year when this to Question put, and agreed to.

to himself but, Motion passed.

6 Mr. E. A. LUCKHOO: In view of circumstances of the to vote for the the e·xceptional case I am prepared I think the hon.

the Attorney­ motion.

General has given ample reasons for forward this motion.
It is bringing to the salary of the not an addition it is an addi­ office of Chief Justice; tional sum to be voted by way of a ANOMALIES COMMITTEE REPORT.

The COLONIAL TREASURER: Wich I wish the permission to move the first motion of which I gave notice this morning.

It reads:- of the Council "That with reference Administering Mes­ sage No.

13 of the 25tih to the Officer the Government's September, 729 Anomalies Committee'(>6 OCTOBER, 1944.

Report 730 .
Report 730 .

approves of the Committee Report (Legisla • 1944, this Council ·Anomalies tive Council the modifications Message being adopted from 1st January, undertakP-s ary to give effect with effect and to vote the funds necess­ 1944, inclusrive, Paper No.

19/1944) with indicated in the to the proposals.''

­ the Report and modifications motion.

Hence the motion before (he Council today.

by When speaking in Finance Com­ _ yet their most of the General at made .
was the recommendation, dealt merely with the adJa.st­ the same as the salary sca..le.s Employees These scales are Clerical Service.

of that recommenda­ of the Governor, of two long grade salary mittee on this Report I explai�ed that of although the Committee's terms reference ment of anomalies, important the instance introduction scales for Junior Technical of the Public Service.
precisely now in force for Class II and Class 1 Officers In justification tion, I should like to say that the Offi­ cers of the General Service have had somewhat over the employees Service.
Some of these Technical employees hold posts which require qualification, edu­ cational and technical, and training which are even higher than the 11uali­ fication required for posts of a purely clerical nature and, I think, it is right that the degree of training fication employee,� equitable But that ineirease by the limitaition full ce,rtificate the deciding of these Officers now required of technical should be recompensed by an of theiT sal�ri es.
increase _ has to be quahf1ed that complete qualifications factor in introducing Clerical of an advantage in the Technical a�d must be nny inrto the higher grade.

and quaii­ which was addressed At this stage I would like to · read for the purpose of record an extnict from a letter the hon.

the Colonial Civil Service Association matter, because importance.
April, 1944, and this is the extract: Secretary to the on thi::; it is of very great The letter is dated 25th by "It must be understood that1 this c�u.kl (the new scales) who are req�.t�red technical or special in fact with the of the interview Secretary on the arrangement only be for Officers to obtdn specific tions by examination cates, sense of the minutes with the Colonial qualifica­ certifi­ in accordance I would like very briefly to recall of the action to of Govern­ ·within those special depart­ with certain of the salaries The next step was, action was taken in ,on­ passed by this Council the Ppst Office (includ­ s Branch), The first step was in approved of the respects of the hon.
Members the history which has been taken in dealing with the revision ment Employees.

a resolution March, 1943, which modification in certain salary scales of what is termed the General Service.

The Unclassified intention, when that resolution wus passed, was that all the Officers con­ cerned should be regraded salary scales.

independent uection ments, notably ing the Telecommunication the Medical and the Police.

Hon.
Hon.

Members will also remember that a.� the result of very protracted negotia­ tions and reconsideration the revised salaries have been embodied in the current year's Es:tiimates for the employees the result of that action several a:nomalie,s crept in especially in regard to the employees Departments not yet been dealt with, and with the object of correcting those anomalies ment appointed tigate Committee's wais accepted to certain reservations which have been set out in Message No.
13, which I communicated in the day.

The Report and reservations were--very carefully mittee in August last and having received agreed that this Council accept the approval general acceptance it was to of the adoption, of No.

19 of 19,14, by Government subject and make recommenda Report, a Commi,ttee to inves­ tions.

rrhat as far as possible Gove1rn­ of those Depa.rtments.

As whose salaries had in Finance Com­ discussed be invited earlier in other 731 Anomaiies C,Jmmittee's LEGISI,ATIVE COUNCIL.
Report 732 to the provi­ The establish- to increments and would bars, and no Officer to the senior grade unless: he and fully 23rd August, 1943 ............ ment of such grades would necessitate the strictest adherence sions of Chapter 8 z:nd the General Orders relating efficiency proceed were of outstanding and specifically qualified It should be clearly motion ...... §tood that the fincl decision as to the establishment must lie with the Secretary for the Colonies Council.''
of these two grades of State and the Legislative ability for the pro- under- advance scale.

The Report is shown on Report If from the 1st J anu­ the cost for 1944 That cost will pro• as Officers cost of the proposals page 8 of the Committee's they are introduced ary, 1944, as intended, would be $35,410.

gressively increase in thefr incremen,tal gives a somewhat alarming figure as the maximum cost, stating that the $164,998.
cost may reach the figure, That is of course completely hypothetica tion that at some time all the Officers to whom this applies maximum salary at one and the same time.

That is almost impossible.

l; it is based on the· assump­ will receive their to Rep01rt.

new posts, and indicates as the result very clearly That lertter in their Report and recommended which are prrinted to the Civil Service is that while Officers it would seem that Govern­ more or I want to draw attention on matter.
The Com­ feels that it is not within of the Committee Asso­ the limit­ ciation ation and qualification for entry I would just into these two grades.

of Govern!Ilent refer to the reservation less for the sake of record to the on the Report of the Committee reservations in the that particular dealt with the Message.

I have already two grades, a mittee recommended first reservation.

The second is, the lowe1r grade and ano·ther,.


and they Committee included · that an went further provision for certain Officer in the lower g,rade should more Government or less automatically from the proceed the province lower to the upper grade after he had create new posts.

No new posts are been at the maximum salary for three of this Com• being created years.

That has not been accepteJ by mittee's The third reservation Uovernment and, if hon.
Members deals with the transfer would read the first re,servation in the unclassified Message, Clerical ment's intention Committee intended should not proceed automatically These posts in the Public W Oll�ks recommended Department ber of posts in the senior grade should not necessarily do not possess the qualification be increased enter the Classified regaird to administrative but the work done is of a clerical and so meet the case of any spe-ciall nature nevertheless.
Government qualified that their recommendation should not whose duties justify be adopted.

to the senior grade.

should remain in the Unclassified Service salary scale rising from $30 to $100 per month and be placed at a certain of the Head of on the recommendation The fourth re,ser­ their Department.

vation relates Committee ies for the Band.


It is felt that the appropriate salaries should be the equivalent of what are now paid to the Members of the Police Force having I have dwelt at some-length on this subject it is the most impor­ tant item in this Report and it is also the most expensive.

to refer in detail to the recommenda­ tions which a:re purely an adjustment of anomalies.

with some care in Finance Committee and, I think� they are generally accept­ 'I'he able to hon.

Members of Council.
Members of Council.

are held by-persons who to Service, remain fixed but might from time to time having requirements, y as the num­ it is considered and be placed on a continuous posts to the Classified Band.

The salar­ certain It is felt that these cl�rks Establishment, We went through them his being advanced in the junior grade I do not propose recommended should be done.

to the Militia of certain Clerical because Officer which the feels point 733 Anomalies Commhtee's 6 OCTOBER, 1944.
Report ,34 relates of Relief was put as $60 Operators.

The increment The Committee ranks.

The to the Appren­ It is felt' that their Balary not be revised.

The last deals with additional regard to their respective nex reservation tices in the Public Works Department workshop.

sc:ale should reservation increments.


The Civil Service As.soci­ ation had urged that in many cases more than the normal accruing incre­ ments should (be given to certain Officers Government feels that there may be very deserving c�ses where that may be appropriate� and sympathetic consideration cases on their ra.,erits but to individual not as a general concession.

who generally the month but is $30.

The last is in rega,rd to the recom­ for the salaries figure.
per annum whereas the comparable rate with other scales modification mendations T·elephone of $21 have recommended a month for those ladie1s.

These are generally not work throughout only when called hold themselves but do not serve.

It is proposed that instead Operators should [be paid a Reitaining Fee amd 50 cents per day for attendance.

At the moment they are paid 50 cents per day as Probationers or less logicall practice the same.

ilpon to do so.

They.


in readiness of a fixed salary these Relief the result will be practically y a training concerned.

a fixed salary may be given and it is more Trainees to serve fee.

In do that low and have remedied scale for Messen­ Since we met in Finance Commit­ tee two other modifications have been decided upon.

The first deals with Messengers.


The salary gers is $20 peir month rising to $30 per month, and the Committee considered that by making the salary scale for the Senior grade Messengers rising from $30 to $40 per month.

The first propo­ sal was that after a Messenger had served for five year,s at the maximum of the scale he would proceed to the higher grade of a Senior Messenger.

to re:duce thatl It is now proposed period from five years to three years.
It is also proposed who has been on the lowe1r scale prior to the 1st January, not yet reached be given one additional These modifications to give relief and poorly paid set of employees.

I hope hon.

Members will accept them.

It is really action which will appear in due course,, but I have only mentioned future modification the motion.

are given in order to a rather hard-worked 1944, and who has the1 maximum should departmental of the terms of it because it is a that any l\Iessenger increment.
There is one other reservation and Operators.

in the Report the that refers to Telephone Through a misprint ilncrement was fixed at a wrong I am afraid I have not covered the whole1 fieJd, necessary discussion be glad to answer it as best as I can.

but I. do not think it is to do so.

If in the course o.f any point is raised I would The COLONIAL SECRET ARY sec- onded.
I received matter import­ the usual notice that this was to be held but was given Mr. JACOB: Before I say what I really want to say this morning, I wish to say again that I am put to very great disadvantage as I did not know that this very important and other matters of greater ance were coming up for discussion to-day 'in this Council.

yesterday meeting whatever.

no details I received a similar ing being held on Thursday.

interest in the affairs and of the Colony in general,.
and when I come to this Council I want to have an opportunity beforehand the papers I have and to follow them.

I have not been able to do so.

I was promised on a previous that I would be given the agenda a few days before the meetings.

A few days ago of the meet­ I take an of this Council to consult occasion notice .

735 AnomaUes Committee's LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL .

Report 736 a but and we·11 the members of businesses I raised certain a few days befor2 or nearly all of them.
I made points and anomalies in ls report would be what they have to discuss, Members do not know, here, In literary societies organised the executive know meeting in this Council in some cases until their arrival what they have to discuss.

My hon.

friend ori my right (Mr. Jackson) not know what would be discussed to-day.

a letter It was left at my house at 6 o'clock yesterday afternoon and put in the usual place for letters, but I did not see it until this morning.
I am there­ fore at a great disadvantage.

Committee I was told that certain the Committee rectified, some notes but I do not know wheither any of those anomalies hawe beert rectified at all.

I was told too by the Colonial Treasurer- the report the respect misprint.

printed document if I remember rightly.

I was told that the matter would be adjusted.

that on page 5 of increrp.ellltal The report was not then a. of telephone this morning.
document; I received opeirators was a did rate in it was a typewritten I have said sufficient to convince that it is essential that t/o peruse the various Government Members, whether they want to look at papffi's or not, should be given an opportunity reports.

If they choose to take no interest in the affairs that is a matter for them.

So long as I am a Member I claim the right-it is not a fav;our-to be given every docu­ ment in time so that when I come here I will be in a position wish to say.
of this Council to say what I or a The COLONIAL TREASURER: At the time I do not know whether the report was a printed document typescript.

What I said was that an error had occurred draft of the Committee's the Chairman a genuine Secretary.

but an error.

and that it was error on the part of the It was not a misprint in the original ,report explained The_ PRESIDENT: I entirely of the I will do my best to devise in getting time the agenda meetings agree with the hon.

Member.
Member.

So far I have been unsuccessful to Members in sufficient and papers concernin1g Council.

means by which Members will be given more notice.

I agree that Members should have ample oppoirtunity study the papers.

to pressure get the proofs through in time, but sometimes organization.

in my efforts hope I will not fail in future.


it is due to lack of efficient So far I have failed to remedy that but I to it is due and we do not of printing, Sometimes Mr. JACOB: I am grateful for I have another the explanation.

complaint complaint.

Maybe it will be called abuse.

At the meeting of the Finance to make if it can be called a Mr. JACOB: At any rate a good corrected.
that I thought the and time has elapsed matter would have been rectified other anomalies before us does not afford us any opportunit been corrected received be I have one at my office.

y to say whether they have or not.

I have just a copy of the report, The Message but may­ The PRESIDENT: You have had that report for many days.

It was circu• lated to Members of the Council days ago.

many Mr. JACOB: I am not a civil I employ myself and I I earn my living by routine servant.

employment.
employment.

have been able to rake up certain documents get all the documents.

absolve Government before Members in this Council the correct document.

document this morning but I could not That does no� from putting is not correct.

I say that this The Colonial '731 Anomalies C(jmmittce's 6 OCTOBER, 1944. lteporl 738 has not been corrected.

as to the reason very cleverly endeavoured that it was an error.
He Treasurer to explain knew of the error months ago but the printed document I have my own opinion for that.

I was going to say that the scale of salary was fixed at $480 x $60-$600 an increment of $5.

The mover of the motion stated just now that a comparable is $4 and not $5.

I have been trying to peruse this document since he made that statement and I can see nowhere the comparable rate of $48 per annum.
rate of increment so that scales uniformity· in the various there should be the same rates of but I do not think it was i:ncrements, said that they would be altered when in this report was being discussed Council.

said it would be:;tr your point in mind when the 1945 estimates right?

were being considered.

Government Am I The COLONIAL TREASURER: Yes, sir.

Im my reply I will deal with it.

to continue Mr. JACOB: I consider it very • unsatisfactory this system.
I am not at the moment certain what will be the effect of the adoption of the re-commendations in this report, realize officers, hazardous treated are not so engaged.

but Government must all its those engaged in especially occupations, that it must consider who should be way than those who in a better The COLONIAL TREASURER: The le rate is $48, the rate with compa;rab which I have been comparing it in the Clerical which, of course, this report at all.
does not appear in Service salary scale for typists Operators statement to make·.

I go on Mr. JACOB: Very clever again, with this report of Grade II the salary the report sets for Linesmen, I say I am concerned and I say that it is a distinctly incorrect to say that immediately above the Telephone out the scale of salaries and in respect scale is $600 x $30 to $720.
Here we have linesmen doing at a salary of $600 rising to $720 by of $30 per annum, while in increments respect of Grade I the scale is $720 x $60 to $960.

This report has definitely created It another definite anomaly.

should have put everything in a uni­ form way.

I was given the definite assurance adjusted in Finance no attempt any of them.

Committee.
Committee.

has been made to adjust that these things would be when they were raised by me dangerous work I believe that I recollect very of on the, subject The PRESIDENT: well the discussion the variatio What I recollect promised to consider n of the incremental rates.

is that _ Government some form of On page 2 of the report the salary in of for the Captain I do not were its report.

in putting forward In fact I think the report is document.

It is a occupation, and in most has a wife and family.
scale recommended a. launch is $480--$30-$600.

most hazardous cases a captain At one time there were submarines this area.

The Committee, has failed miserably and I do not congratulate any of the members.

a most one-sided know whether the anomalies properly I do not kn.ow considered.

whether the members of the Commit­ tee had the time or the inclination consider have to make that rema1rk becaU::52 know some of the Members of the Com­ mittee and consider in some respects.
The case of the Captain of a launch should be consi dered immediately, and if any employ­ ee ref erred to in this report is deserv­ ing of an increment Captain of a launch should get the same.

them hard working those things.

of $4 or $5 the ._ I am sorry to tQ I 739 Anomalies Committee' UEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.
Report 740 Under Customs the salary scale Mr. JACOB: I rise to a point of of the If for the Cooper is $480- has good men they should and the Customs Watchers, of the revenue are to get the same salary.

recommended $30-$720, the protectors Colony, Government be well paid and not given increments of $30 per annum.

';['he Overseer is On page 4 of the in the same position.

report the same salary scale is recom­ I can go mended for full-time Bailiffs.
in the other anomalies on enumerating to report of the Committee For anomalies correct instance which I think is comparable Operators.

of the Telephone longer hours in rain and shine, but of $30 per are to get increments with $48 per annum annum as compared I think Operators.

by the Telephone has failed miserably in Government this matter and the sooner it corrects these anomalies concerned.

with that They ·work I take the case of Postmen in the Service.
the better for all appointed correction, deliberatel deliberately I say.

sir.

The hon.

Membe1· is y misleading.

this Council--­ The PRES.ID ENT: I do not think you can rise to a point of correction and make a statement You say you do not agree with it.

Let us hear what the Colonial Treasurer has to say.

of that nature.

The COLONIAL TREASURER: Mny salary scales, is $2; between $40 and of the where the I repeat what I said?
In respect Unclassified salary is below $40 per month the rate of increment $60 per month the increment per month, and above $60 per month is $5 per month.

That the increment is in so far as the Unclassified salary scales are concerned.

is �2.50 Mr. JACOB: May I correct my friend?

The PRESIDENT: Let the Coloni al Treasurer finish.

betokens (Mr. Jacob) it The COLONIAL TREASURER: I of Member::; of other than the Member District for which I As regards the of the hon.
Member for North­ take it that the silence the Council for North-Western of the.

· motion, acceptance am very grateful.

remarks Western District always amuses me to hear what a very large story hQ can make out of a very ,small point.

I admire him in that likewise.

respect and wish I could do His entire remarks have been confir.ed to the single criticism iinen which I myself pointed ments of these salary scales are If Members will look at the uniform.
they will find that wherever the scales salary is below $40 per month the is $2; where the salary is increment between $40 and $60 per month the rate II'ises to $2.50 per incremental month, and where the salairy is above $720 the increment month.

ts of the Telephone of the incre•­ rises to $5 per out.

The incre­ Operators officers for technical that the same scales is $5.

I said in my opening are slightly higher.


Members of salariet,; The COLONIAL TREASURER: In staff the the case of the, Classified In the increments two Long Grades which have been adopted will find that in respect between $40 and $70 pe,r month the increment remarks adopted for Junior Technical officers as in the case of the General Service.

employees been fixed and approved They come under the unfortunate classifications B, and there are Typists Assistants.
increment The other branch is women for whom two grades have In the Typists is $4 per month.

of Grade A and Grade by the Council.

and Clerical Clerical g-rade the have been In making its recommendations with regard to Telephone Operators 741 Anomalies Cr,11imittee6 OCTOBER, 1944.

Teacher(3' Salarie8 742 operator or a of a launch.


or a captain a telephone and Clerical and Clerical had intended maximum is $50 per of $60 i,n the case of Assistant s. I am the Committee to put them on the same salary scale as Assistants-$41) to Typists $60 per month with increments of $4, except that their month instead Typists not now trying to defend the argument as to whether typist should get a higher increment than a linesman I am simply stating the facts as they are.

Those grades are uniform.


Mem­ bers may have different the respectiv:e but that is a matter of opinion.

After the hon.

Member spoke in Finance Com­ mittee I looked info the matter but I see no immediate way of adjusting all the rntes to make them completely uniform.

'Ihe only way to do that is to increase them all.

If we are going to have a $5 rate of increment for the Clerical Ser­ vice and make them uniform we will have to bring them all up to that.

I have not lost sight of the matter.


If any very serious crop up, as I have no doubt they may, they will undoubtedly be corrected.

opinions about anomalies merits of various classes, to give details I endeavoured of all these things but my friend said they were all due to one particular error.

If that is the explanation cial officer of this Government has to make on a matter of such grave import­ ance affecting less for me to say anything it is use­ further.
so many persons the chief finan­ Motion put, and agreed to.

REVISED SALARY SCALES FOR TEACHER.3.

The COLONIAL TREASURER: I beg to move: THAT, with reference to the Officer Message the Government's Administering No.

15 of the 2nd October,.

194•1, this Council approves of the revised salary scales as set out in the Schedule to the Message being adopted from the 1st January, takes to vote the necessary effect to the proposals.

1944, and under­ funds to give.

with effect The PRESIDENT: The hon.


Mem- ber may point out any errors he thinks have been stated.

I am prepared to allow the hon.

Member to say what he wants to say.

Mr. JACOB: I repeat my statement explanation is The hon.

Member is prob­ to some other document before the Council that the hon.

Member's not correct.

ably referring not before the Council today.

The document does not bear out the statement now.


There are various but they do not conform to what the Colonial says about $2 and $2.50 pe,r month increments.

to Linesmen or two others, _ give details whether and Head Bailiffs and one but I will not bother to they will be apprecia because I do not know he made just increases here Treasurer ted at all.

I referred to and edu­ the long standing which we have to face.
In moving this motion I venture the hope, which I feel sure will tb.at to remove in reigard to the employment It is a matter has served to and vexed of the remuneration of prim­ the much more important problems express be echoed by many hon.

Members, if it is passed it will se•rve from the field of public discussion controversy question ary school teachers.

which I at least believe obscure cational I do not pretend that acceptlance of this motion is going to solve all the problems of teachers.
problems and the financial that staffing less, as I said, it would undoubtedly at rest this veiry burning question the adequacy primary school son I am rather glad it has fallen me to introduce the executive who is primarily tor of Education, on general set of of For that rea­ to although of the Government the Direc­ to speak policy or on the report.

of the remuneration teachers.

implications relating will remain.


N everthe­ concerned, is available many grave of the schools as to staffing this motion, Certainly officer to 7 43 Revision of LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.

Teachers' Salaries 744 a second-class certificate ranging teachers to the Message is Regulation in I think They are Rummarized to the Message.

this motion.

the Schedule hon.

Members will find it easier to refer to the Schedule rather t.ham to the report itself.
it will be seen From that Schedule are to be that pupil teachers granted salaries q- from $12 rang-in for -the first year to $2n for the end of the fourth year.

Uncertificated are to be granted from salaries $30 to $35 per month.

The next item in the schedule In those schools teacher rising to $45 per month.

Under the head Teachers Certificated the $80 per salary scale ranges from $40 to month.
At this point I wish to draw the Council's to the fact that who have had a period of train­ teachers ing at a recognized college have obtained will enter that scale at $60 per month, and those who have obtained a first­ dass certificate $70 per month.

The maximum salary of that grade is $80 per month.

95 schools.
95 schools.

a certificated head a salary of $40 will enter the scale at will be granted attention Assistant training and The history of the matter is briefly the pub­ Briefly, so as not to as recently this morning.

but I prefer to call it H by the Governor.

It was discussed is being taken today the memorandum Adviser to in 1942.

In the was year a Committee set out in Message No.


15 which I com­ municated action which ori,ginated with lished by the Educational Sir Frank St:ockdale following I notice in a}Jpointed a Message it is termed an ad hoc Committee, special Committee confuse it with the other ad hoc!

of the hon.

Member for Cen­ Committee The (Mir.

de Aguiar).

tral Demerara to consider Committee was appointed and report on the salaries to be paid The to Primary School Teachers.
I think, in report was received, Ma1rch this year and was carefull y con­ sidered.

in Finance Committee as August, and it found general acceptance, there.
but I will admit that at that meeting the members of the Committee very freely their views and fears as and regards the burden which these increased sala­ ries are going to impose on the public as Treasurer revenue, and speaking myself cannot disguise the fact that 1 too feel somewhat less theire is no doubt whatever that is a position will have to face.

After the discussion in Finance Committee communicated State who has :;1.pproved of the recom­ but in doing so he mnde mendations, one suggestion.
suggestion, advice.

rate of increm�nt some respects price at which the cost of these propo­ sals will fal] on the public revenue.

That proposal I will refeir to what has been, done later.

it was in the nature of was that the might be reduced the report wa� of Neverthe­ that has been accepted, to the Secretary which .

this Council His suggestion implications so as tlo reduce the It was more than a the financial expres<;ed alarmed.

and in I At the moment I will just briefly call hon.
Members' to the attention salary scales which are proposed in points within that the will have a with the Class with average attendance.

Under the head Head Teachers of that objec­ system of payment of salaries agrees that the time should be Head Teachers scale of $60 to $160.

It is a very main point is the removal tionable :in accordance I think everyone has come when that principle abandoned.

salary long scale.
salary long scale.

The salary scale is $60 to $160, but certain grade vary in accordance certificate The modification in this schedule schedule ment in the salary scales been fixed at $2.50 per month instead $5.00.

That is completely ity with the scales ing in the last motion before this Coun­ cil.

As I said, sir, that modification has b'een made on the basis of the advice of .

the Secretary of State.

If hon.


Members look at the Report they would see thflt the · Report had originally an which is held by the teacher.

which has_ been made with the as compared in the Report is that the incre­ below $60 has of we have been discuss­ in conform­ 7 45 Re1;ision of 6 OCT0BER7 1944.

Teachers' Salaries 746 itself trust the motion commends CcuncH and) as I said, any point of detail will be dealt with by the Director Education the motion.

who is here.

I beg to move to the of Mr. J.


A. LUCKHOO seconded.

amounting and that saving is progres­ of $5.00 per month.

There saving in making such increment is a considel'.

'able a modification, to $11,000 in the second year after the introduction of the scale, sive.

The third year it will be $22,000, the fomih year $33,000, other words, it reduces e:ost of the proposals rate at which the maximum cost i,s attained.

the total overall by reducing the and so on.


In will have to be provided to that, there As regards provision War Bonus which will salary bill for 1944 plus the salar­ will be $800,000 odd ancl for an addi­ Therefore our $40,000.

bill for this year will he The maximum total shown in cost, in paragraph 5 of the Message the cost is set out.

It means if this proposal is accepted, the t·ot[ll ies to teachers a supplementary $239,000 tional for this year.
In addition wm be the consequential increase of Tern_porary another reauire tot�-tl additional $280,000.

the Report is another 2.larming amount --$1,178,000.

thetical Bar and will will pass the Efficiency arrive at the maximum and be paid that maximum at the same time and in the· same year.

'!

'hat is very unlikely to ha1ppen.

obvious proposals heavy burden indeed.

nave to face it.

We cannot go on with at us that the the charge being levelled teachers' inadequate.
above all issues to obscure ing a solution lems that await us.

At the same time it is quite of time these that in process salaries We cannot allow that issue are going to impose a very to the nrnny other prob­ But, as I said, we a,re altogether our find­ That is completely hypo­ as it assumes that all teachers I would like to conclude by saying the Report which of this motion has some signatories.
The that on this occasion is the subject very honourable Report on the previous motion officer but this RepOi·t merely by a public is signed by the Hon.

C. Vibart Wight as Chairman, and a Teachers' Representa,.tive'.

r the Hon.

J. I. de Aguiar is signed inade­ salaries the situation unequivocally.

as I do-travelling but at the same ti;ne at us that the teachers' is one That statement w� give to the teachers.

be reciprocal.

Mr. EDUN: I have listened care­ Treasurer fully to the hon.
the Colonial the financial outlining these implications will cause.

He said: salaries teachers' "We cannot go on with the charge geing levelled are inadequate."

that carries· with it responsibility.


But cer: ainly we do expect returns from the sr.laries That I agree in t.oto 1should that the teachers are receiving quate salaries, viewing from one end of the country to another and seeing the product of the present­ day education system in British Guiana-I am not satisfied as to the or progress rate of improvement this I make Colony is making in education.
Definitely that statement I do not see how we can improve the eclucation money to the, teachers cE-rtain that these teachers they receive.

I think, already ought to be on their jobs the whole timr and all the time.

It is their duty to If see that the children are educated.
in salaries the providing for 1944 in addition in Tempo­ rary War Bonus will give me the feeHng that there will be improvement as a then I shall vote for this motion result, and endeavour to do my best to make the teachers On their work is based the moral, intel­ values of the peoplf lectual of this country.

They are the builder;; of the youth, and if money is involved certainly same time let us get value for it.

If I get an undertaking of Educatiop.


to exist to ensure work for the sahriec; I have stated that and that teacher:-\ a happy and contented let us give them it, but at the system by simply g1Vmg from the Director and not expecting that th�re shal1 qe regulations and spiritual in this Council of $800,000 to $40,000 people.

'747 Revision of LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.

Teacher.,/ Salaries 748 I is done for the Citizens' of the workers to do his very best at all.
And that i,s an of education on the within three years, then of that fact and it pains I think we should have a pro• 'from His M.ajlesty's point.

We have one section seriously of!

..

I do not of the President Association which I am tpinking on the sugar estates of the adults on the sugar As General in this Colony, the a marked pro­ and if we con­ the common right of of the Empire?

I of the Edu­ improvement I shall be contented to say certainly "Let us wait and see what will be the result."
Apart from the fact that I have what was in my mind about especi­ on the sugar estates, Commission has .out to the world to remain any effort being them educationally, then system as a whole will at all.

It is for that nouncemelnt Sec­ on the retary of State for the Colonies being given to certain peo­ franchise I feel somewhat ple and not to others.

concerned about it.
concerned about it.

Because the,y are they to be victim- are not educated, the privil­ ised and not t-0 ibe allowed ege to exercise a common citizen plead with the Chairman cation Committee to see that s�mething education estates.

Man-Power looks after the interests on the sugair estates, I know how low is the degree of their intelligence.

am conscious me to think that is so, and I am much as to how we can assist in concerned making them become proper citizens.
told me-and I Sir Gordon himself want to expose it here today-that he boys at Pln.

was hooted by some little of a conn­ Fancy the Governor Albion.

try being hooted by boys.

Maybe that has influenced ing the recommendation people on the sugaT estates be allowed they are not educated.
is ripe and has come when a definite step should be taken to do something for · these illiterates and some organisa.­ tion be established of years they can be educated have done that It is Other countries all well to have money.

That is qood in but surely we want value for itself, with the same degree of the money we spend.
Unless I see value What is Government's pol­ being obtained from the money spent on education in the literacy people from Skeldon to T'uschen, perhaps on this Government and neglect this Legislative without for the motion wholeheartedly considering involved, I wa,nt I shall vote again for it bec:mse the tE}�chers to l;>� ip.app1 and not outlined �ducation, education see any marked degree of penetraUon of the benefits sugar estates important of thA community sugar workers, with of illiterates, portion tinue to allow that section like that without made to uplift our education not be worthwhile reason that I want to ask Government view of the education to take a serious provided ally as the Franchise pointed so markedly tbat illit:eracy cise of the common privileg I view this matter with great anxiety.
We cannot allow a section ple of this country they will be simply dragging I hear so much about social welfare but I would like to see tackled schemes, of adult education the question I have seen no snch the sugar estates.

provision.

these illiterates cour-se of fifteen we must tackle education gumption?

icy so far as education I have heard so much about the Ham­ mond Report that I expect to see e,very­ one being made happy and literate not by mere chance or imagin�tion.
�['hat is what the expert expects, to see tangible I plead .with Government its eyes to that section ity to which I have referred us decry our$elv�s.

emotion, in mak­ the Government that; these should not the vo e because I think the time one day I shall level a censure for lack of vision to die out in thP­ years, oir does it me;;1n the problem of adult and I want from his report.

not to close of the peo­ to be 1lliterate, as of its duties and also on Council.
of the commun­ and ma.ke and if more money is .required Does it mean that we expect the amount of money is a bar to their exer­ whereby in a period I shall vote is concerned?

to exercise e of a vote.

l sp1;a:k wi t:'1: results us dmvn.

of the too.

on 749 Revision of 6 OCTOBER, 1944.

Teacherr1' Salaries 750 financially embarrassed can mould the minds of the.

children and make them proper citizens: so that they in the various areas it , The1 teaching of the schools will be a total failure.
of the children with the social of the children, othe,rwise they must go backwards.

If we are going to spend money, let us spend it in the right direction.

must go hand in hand welfare Mr. LEE: With respect to this salaries t to coosider the increase of their teacher that teacher ency.
There is Is Government It may be said that the are being paid better salarie� motion I wo-uld like to preface my by saying that I agree that the remarks are inadequate, bu� teachers' I would like Governmen that while you may have the best and most efficient having to teach more than forty cannot give of his or her children best.

That must be borne in mind when a charge is laid against the teachers in the future for a breach of faith following salaries.
tearhe.i:·s and yet there is ineffici also another question.

of aware that many of the children school1going age in the country are not going to school?

What -steps_ are being taken towards that, so that when the question ten years hence it will be found thatJ provision number?

Is Government to provide as many of them cannot afford to buy books and many of the Head Teachers have asked for such provision?

The teachers proper equipment.


some vote to provide not so and Government good results, coosideration is being carried that if any blame is to be attached in the future for illiteracy it will not be against I believe there is books: if that is desire,s to getJ can do notihing without has been made to reduce the out in such a manner Government's of illiteracy comes up taking steps policy.
free books to the children, it must take that into and see that eve•rything Mr. JACOB: I see there are very , in who wish to Government to be construc­ I um prepared funds should be provided gives has a free hand.

I might have been a teacher I have taken in matters that there are not in this Colony and in the accommodation I think in the who takes an interest few Members of Council speak on the motion to-day.

We were told just now that silejncei consent.


I agree with this motion and that the required but I am going to make a few com-" ments which I consider tive.

I leave that, howe•ver, to Gov­ ernment to term them as it pleases.

I am satisfied st1fficient teachers not sufficient schools for the children.

everyone affairs of this Colony thinks so also.

I have take'tn a very keen interest educatioo.

for the interest of education.

any sum of money, be it one or two million good footing in this Colooy.
have spent a good deal on education there is still a large percentage illiterates, because this Government wants that to be so.

T'hat is what we have been told outside Culpability rests wholely and solely Government Officers time.

I am supposed to the present be one of the members of the Edu.ca­ tion Advisory Committee, and I want to say that I am not at all satis­ is working well.

fied that Committee I am not satisfied with the adminii:;­ tration Gove•rnment for that state of affairs.
satisfied teachers come up to expectation, not wl).oll for th�t, in the Colony who have not and they are there are a good many of the Education to put education ;v responsible on a While we Educational this Council.

on up to dollars, Office, and But I am to vote · of • I see according to this Report following 'that the teachers will be paid increased salaries an inspection of the schools for two years running and having regard as· to whether their is good or otherwise.
It is my conduct opinion that unless Government makes regulations for the proper supervi�ion is somewhat responsible 751 Revision of LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.
Teachers' Salaries 752 I had said in Finance Committee what I wanted to say on this matter, and I want to put on record, whether is another mattetr, they are received salary scales for that the proposed should be as follows'.- Pupil Teachers should be "First Second year-$14 year-$12 per month ............... per month ................. $18 ............... .......... ............ $15 ............... should be should be Third year-$16 Fourth year-$20 per month ...... ....... per month __ .
__ _,.._ End of fourth year-$25 month should should be be $24 ...... ............ per ................ $27" ........ ......................... .... $20 I am afraid it has been to select and they are Mr. So-and-So in the past.

the Committee.
the Committee.

the habit but I hope it will not continue to be the habit of Government men because have served Government That has been the guiding principle, the results My criticisms and are made with the idea knowledge to take that they will help Government us out of the state of chaos we are in.

have been very disastrous.

are based on personal and When I made the point in .

Finance Committee the hon.


Member who made the Report suggested that the amendment would throw an added burden on the financial commitment I want to say emphatically involved.

amendment wm that this prop�sed encourage men to do something the better class of young for the Colony · when they pass out of the schools.

suggest therefore ment of the proposed Pupil Teachers · deration the proposed I amend­ salary scales of to the careful consi­ of Government.
for the administration There are othe · matters I can speak Committee, advising an Education that education Committee I think there should either on but I will not say too much.

I am going to leave this matter to those who are responsible but J of the whole system of education, I am wish to make one or two points.

not satisfied is properly admfoistered.

There is an Education Department, and an Advisory Government.

be one Committee Government should deal with the mat­ ter.
It is not proper to have an Edu­ cation Committee, ory Committee, and the Executive education.

the Department ory Committee, and if certain Members cannot find the time to do that work other Mentbers who �an finq th� tjm� should Qe a:pllointed Advis­ itself.
looking after· Council Advi­ I think an Education itself, an Educatio the Denartment or the Executive to with is not If Government wants to have satis­ there must not be anomal­ who has College A teacher Essequibo being adequately does not feel that he of say $70 per month with 10 experience.

the hon.

Member for (Mr. de Aguiar), and while verv does not go fa� matters of detail.

the position in favour of paid fied teachers ies, and I am afraid that this report hy the hon.
Member for Western (Mr. C. V. Wight), Central Demerara of Education, the Director good in many respects, mough into several For instance I understand to be like this: I am wholly teachers trained training but after all academic everything.

from the Train­ A teacher ing College upon his duties is entering to be put on a par with one been getting or 15 years' 10 years' experience has not been trained.

The facilities were not available the Training in his time.
I think the Department teacher-, trained will agree that certain teachers are not as capable as certain who have not been trained.

I do not think there is any difference on that point at all.

While training a good thing certain people who -have not had the benefit ing are equally have had that training.

teacher has given satisfactory years' experience, per month, should be given something more.

With several bodies advising Government difficult.


If Government set of people who are able to go into the matter in detail it could be satis­ factorily no discqnt�nt is to get $70 per month one who with 10 service $70 and is getting and there would be among the tea<;her the matter becomes very as good as those who If a trained appointed adjusted, of opinion is a , of specialized train­ 753 Revision of 6 OCTOBER, 1944.
Teachers' Salaries 754 for teachers now proposed grade up tb the top, and I think the salaries are such as should keep them in a measure and reli�ve them of ease and comfort, due to their not of any embarrassment being able to balance their budgets.

I to think that the effort of Government settlement of bring about a definite and I this question them­ have no doubt that the teachers for what are exceedingly selves has been done for them.
should be eulogized, grateful under those conditions conditions remuneration unsuitable I did not really are to receive.

The hon.

the Sixth N omina­ and well.

I speak on behalf should be which the He has of the fact that all have been labour­ intend to make any but I can­ remarks on the motion itself, not allow to go unchallenged some of the remarks made by some of the ·previous speakers.
ted Member (Mr. Edun) referred at a the outset to what he considered y that improvement necessit shown for the salaries teachers not thought along the teachers ing under ve,ry difficult and receiving and I say it to their credit that the; have laboured faithfully of the majority of teachers.

In every but I Department make bold to say that the majority teachers ·well.

laboured cult indeed.

Each child was regarded as a wage-earner, of payment by results from the outset.
agitation of the teachers system has been got rid of and a better it.

Now that an system has succeeded effort has been made to make them comfortable commensurate they are engaged, grudge them.
under which they at the outset were very diffi­ Through the constant themselves by giving them salaries in this Colony do their work there are slackers, with the work in which The conditions I think no one should and the rotten system was introduced that of of $2.50, and this Council That i:::; are to rece,ive With a.11 due deference to what the of State has said I think it iF; wrong to reduce the increme11t We have Mr. Ha�­ and Sir Frank Stock­ 8ecretary definitely to $2.50 per month.

Other emploveP.
Other emploveP.

::t between $40 and $60 drawing salaries per month are getting increments of $5, but teachers increments of $2.50.

We are told that the Secre­ t::i rv of State says they must only get.

increments agrees to that dictatorship.

not g-ood for democratic British Guiana or the Empire.

We have too manv people dictating.

mond dictating dale saying "I agree" or ''I do not agree."

Then the matter goes to the Secretary of State who says "I do not That is not good enough.

I ::i,gree."
I ::i,gree."

would like the matter to be sent back to him.

The whole thing is monstrouFt If I speak strongly strongly.

I approve I disapprove Secretary details not think the Council these matters.

cussed and settled charged Head of the Department, is no uniform way of dealing Government doing so.

I think the Educational is competent.

If Advisory will not work they should be some people relieved ts, and if others want to work they should be to do so.
But, of given an opportunity course, Government to carry on in the usual way and, to use a ioea l but it cannot fool aJl term, fool around, the people all the time.

it is because I feel of the scheme but of the attitude of the of State as regards the and by the and if there with them should have some means of of their appointmen They should be dis­ of this kind.
I do should go into Committee of matters by Committees prefers with responsibility, Mr. JACK SON: I rise to give to the motion support and I would like defi­ my wholehearted before the Council nitely to state at the outset that I con­ sider the work done by the Committee charged with the duties of recommend­ ing improved been work thoroughly circumstances teacher into acc,ount, for teachers has done.

All the with the in connection beginning and his work have been taken salaries from the lowest The hon.
Member to whom I ref er did not say in what direction he would like to · see improvement.

about giving teachers he must be sure that in three years' time there would be improvement-in what dir�ctiop He spoke more money, but be did not say.

lt i� 755 Revision of LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL, Teachers' Sa1,aries 756 to do the best we can but endeavour for those who are making towards what is lasting benefit to the Colony, make for potential an educate-d We shall be able to do a great deal more than we time.
are doing at the present and what is of great and what will population.

assets if we have The hon.

Member for Essequibo of accommodation out of school.
and said there were large have been made and are being of and by a system which has River (Mr. Lee) spoke a good deal about the inadequacy in the schools, numbers of children Efforts made to improve the conditions schools, already re-organized, new schools cannot get everything long as there is a process ment going on we must learn to wait for the progress are being enlarged, certain buildings built in other places.

in a day, but so of improve­ and We started schools we need.
school without of primary teachers, but it is far more diffi­ and said he was not s�tis­ very well for some people to make wild statements being able to ampli­ fy them.

It is easy to say we want improvement, cult to say in what .

degree we want and the nature of that improvement, improvement.

him cor­ If I followed rectly I think he ended up with the sugar estates and given there, fied :with the education he wanted·to intro­ see adult education duced.

Well, we are dealing.


with the salaries and I would adv:ise the hon.

Member, who to said he spoke with deep emotion, table a motion for the advancement of those who are illiterate estates.

have time to display his emotion, to convince ion it is nauseous hearing about people whose education was neglected wanted to keep them illiterate.

in this Council given the reason already for the illiteracy people to whom the hon.
Member and I do not like to say it referred again, but may I repeat it once and for all?

I will promise that if the hm1.

Member and my friend on my left (Mr. Jacob) should bring the matter up again I would take no notice of it.

on the sugar If he tabled a motion he would and perhaps this Council.
would be able In my opin­ because Government of large numbers of a little I have more of to be continually My friend on my left (Mr. Jacob) with those teachers who to me as having started and said that I had him for that statement e life cy is that because children I started The reason for that illitera to but rather to Well, if those referred with a small salary, no sympathy are starting now-that low I want them to start low also.

If were on and my a General Election friend and .


I were contesting a seat I would forgive because it would be quite permissibl for him to do what he could to get votes, but when he speaks of my not having sympathy the teaching what somebody logical dealt with the hon.

Member a little more gently than he was dealt with by the Colonial When we were considering the question improvement suggestion Education should be paid $6 per month.

I took the matter up very strongly and urged that it should be $10.
'fhe Director asked for a compromise but I stuck out for $10, and afte,i· good deal of c;liscussion money was placed before education; that no effort was made by parents educate their make them wealthy.

it is their fault and people are illiterate fault.

I do not think not Government's those hon.


Members are giving of their best in this Council to that question to look upon the trend of events to-day in rela­ tion to the education to whose illiteracy bers of East Indian children ing primary and secondary and why shouldn't have realized in giving them education, doing so.

Let us then think nothing wp.Q W�!

'� left P�W� in tbe :race th9·$.� salaries of the then Director was that a pupil teacher professio described inexactitude.
are attend­ schools,­ of the the of and they are of with the young members of that there is a great deal they?

Their parents I think I have of the very people of teacher:s' Treasurer.

n he is using they refer.

Num­ when they hold on as a termino­ and neglect pe agreed tha.t of $8 a 757 Revision of G OCTOBER, 1944.

Teachers' Salaries 758 they should start at $10.


The increase one and I am is a reasonable proposed not going to follow any wild-headed and ask for more money politician when I am satisfied that the salary I think we to start with is sufficienit.

and I in this matter, have done well am quite satisfied will have the lasting only of the teachers community.
that the Council gratitude not but of the Something was said about trained of Ed ncation in his day he is as much a Well, that is a question upon as one who has been College.

It was unfor­ teachers.


which the Di.rector knows I do not like to say much according because, to my way of when a teacher thinking, is trained according to the system of training obtaining trained teacher to a Training tunate for me that just as I conclnded my pupil teacher's course and was looking forward to taking an examin­ ation to enter the Training CoHege and I had to the system was scrapped remain outside and work ha rd in school.
There were no examinatfons f?r a number of years, but four or five years after examinations were started again and I took them.

[ defy the hon.

Member or anyone eL e who , talks .

about trained teachers to say that m my day I h ave no 1scharQ'ed t d' .

·- my duties satisfactorily and d , one as much .. as any trained teacher could have done.

I suppose it wm b0-said that I was aible to do that because mv head teachers were trained men.
�I thank them for the training they gave me, and it is known that I have trained the Colony.

that we have a Training College and I quite agree that good salaries should be paid to trained It is a very good thing many of the best teachers in teachers.

for North Western District (Mr. Jacob) who is a member of that It has been borne npon Committee.
who is me that a trained teacheT as a Head taking up an appoinitment Teacher will get a salary of say $100 it is said that a teacher per month, and' with 20 or 25 years' experience will also get $100 per month, which is There is unreasonable.

considered said about accelerated something but as to what those promotion, increments accelerated think something undertaken who has rendered for a long number of years a salary out.
If above one who is just starting that can be looked into by the Advi­ sory Committee then I say there is no flaw in the scheme.

so as to give a teaeher service successful should be I definite should be the removal along with my friend will give my support to this motion, and if is given me in the Advi­ I therefore wholeheartedly opportunity sory Committee on my left (Mr. Jacob) I am sure we of will be able to suggest I think the teachers atJ that anomaly.
the bottom have been well treated, and if they are prepared to work system­ and well they wHl atically, carefully go up to the higher salaries time.

I they have served some little thank you, sir, and the Council for the patience to my remarks which I hope will have some effect upon those who ought to by them.
I trust also that be affected at the conclusion vote, for which I express unanimous advance the warmest congratulations and gratitude of a body of men and women who are living for otherg: li1ving that others may lead proper citizens Uves and be responsible this Colooy of ours.

(applause).

with which you have listened we will have a after in in There is, however, one point to which I would like to direct attention at this stage.
It is perhaps a point which may be taken up in the Advi­ sory C_ommittee b;v the hon.

Member think I can usefully the contribution hon.

Nominated clear that hi; has studied just made by the Member.

It is quite this que&- Mr. E. A. LUCKHOO: I do not to add anything 759 Revison oi LOOISLATIVE COUNCIL.

Te<1,chers' ,·60 Salaries battle of life, intellectu­ As one Let those and morally.
The children as to fit them for of this very pressing ques­ of any education are in the schools I wish to pay tribute to with which tion in all its phases and is in a posi4 tion to offer very good advice for the solution tion.

It is indeed a very delicate right type of education question-the for the people of this Colony.

who has had the honour to serve ,vith him as a member of the Education Committee the zeal and earnestness the Director his duties.
ing to hear the remarks of Members attacking Heads of Departments are doing their best.

I feel sure I am speaking the Education Committee majority when I say that the work of the Director of Education admired by all classes munity.

is, we should , give the children such an education the practical ally, spiritually be the elements policy.
not merely for the education minds but the training and in self-respect character that goes to make good citizens worthy of the Empire which never had a greater need for such than in these dark and trying times.

Let to parents the Ii ttle ones and give them an opportunity rjght way.

Let them take advantage of the facilities Government by sending to the Primary Schools.

education Indians.
unchallenged.- on behalf of the members of and the of Education It is sometimes of their of their and all performs discourag­ of the people of this Colony I do not wish that idea to go is not closed against East t1o be edpcated has been greatly their children afforded in this com­ realise The door of in the them by who their responsibility Gov­ of educa­ themselves to school because that education question has of East Indians failed to send their they wanted have not of the opportunity the machinery should attend but for some reason or another On the general tion the position been raised again.
I would again remind hon.

M·embers has been free and compulsory.

ernment has provided in order that children school, all of the East Indians availed offered to them.

A good many JiJast Indian parents children them to work in order to supplement their meagre earnings.

contended provide districts of school accommodation the fault of age, but that is entirely The estate authorities Government.

have done their part.

The proprietors of Pln.


Albion, doing their very best, and quite they have erected another recently school.

act Surely such a genercus by the people of should be appreciated this Colony.

The question of educa­ tion is a very difficult schools.

there is not sufficient for children It cannot be to I aigree that in many tha� Government failed; for instance, one.

All I say have been school to Pln.

Albion.

Mr. JACOB: The hon.


Member referred May I state that for a long number of years there has been a school for 25 children in a of Albion and over 200 child­ section ren of school-going age who wanted to go to school could not find accom­ modation Representative amd, so far as I know, has taken no in the matter.

interest there.

The hon.

Member is for that Constituen�y and no will of Education has ever been brought I am aware that there at Pln.

Albion a school.
Albion a school.

Mr. E. A. LUCKHOO: I am not aware of any such complaint, such complaint to my notice.

is at present I hope the Director be given an opportunity to say some­ thing about it.

Quite recently the management a school for inf ants near the building I do not intend to say Police Station.
is well with all East that everything Indians in this Colony, but I do wish to say that praise should be given to whom it is due and the proprietors are trying to promote the intellectual on the sugar estates themselves embarked on a plan of 761 Revision of 6 OCTOBER, 1944.

Teachers' Saiaries 762 Therefore I do not wish any and moral side of the people on their estates.

damaging against out any foundation unwarranted men.
to be made here fraternit y with­ for such an attack on that body of statement the planting Dr. SINGH: To a point of order!

i do not think that any direct attack has been made by the East Indians in this question and I do not see why the debate should continue on the question particular Why one of East Indians.

race should be brought in?

of education, The PRESIDENT: One or two hon.


Members accused Government of wil­ from a cer­ fully withholding education tain section, and the remarks now are in answer to that accusation.

Dr. SINGH: The question never came up about East Indians, was implied.

it?

Why go into details about though it to the from my seat and I desire and that no atten­ to say that statement out the inadequacy of Mr. E. A. LUCKHOO: My remarks are quite relevant remarks made in this Council was made by one of the hon.
Members here pointing school accommodation tion was being paid to the children on the estates.

Pln.

Albion in particular as being an e·state where was mentioned was hooted.

Governor one particular as any other Mem­ Surely I am entitled, my views on this matter.

ber, to express I am here to give some protection to the Planters Council In the course of the practice question.
of my profession I represent and I have not seen any discrimi made with East Indians Therefore which are unjustifiable this Council without I wish to state here that at the present time there are Inspectors stationed There is one in New Amsterdam.

The object of that is-I had urged that in this Council of Schools in every County of this Colony.

who are unable in this on this to go out from contradicting them.

to reply to criticisms some years ago-that these I cannot allow any remarks in this country.
all races nation is I am well these people in ignorance.

In in going their chil­ represen­ Missionary for the children should be vigilant up the attendances can be brought against to say that Government time a High School established in the first fined small Officers for not sending by the Education against default­ in order to ·see those of g age are in school and that Body.
during the of Mr. Clementi Inspectors around and checking ·at the schools ':school-goin prosecution those responsible who are not going to school.

aware of the fact that prosecutions have been brought Attendance ing parents dren to school and that those parents were reprimanded and subsequently instance amounts of 50 cents and $1.00.

I do not think it is a justifiable attack on Government keeping the County of Berbice you have at the present by the Rev.
Mr. Scrimgeour, tative of the Canadian That school was started governorship wards Sir Cecil Clementi, attended the first meeting.

then there has been the establishment orf a Girls' High School, compl€ment School.

Recently blished at Rosehall High School which is also very largely by East Indian boy.s and girls.

attended are The same educational afforded our children-East and others.
as the views of the body of East Indian people in this Colony that Government them of their legitimate right of going to There may be insufficient school.

accommodation, and I know steps a,re being taken to improve the housing accommodation Planters regard, compliment facilities Indians I do not wish it to go forward are doin.g and I wish to pay them a there has been esta• Village,, Corentyne, in the schools.

their duty in that G.C.M.G.).

I Since to the Boys' High has actually in the matter.
.the logical deprived (after­ 'f he a I wish to express my admiration of the manner in which the Committee carried out schoolmasters hon.

Member remarked, slackers will find them life.

On the whole the majority its duties on behalf of the As one of this Colony.
there may be among the teachers, but you of of in every department 763 Rev?°r3ion o.f LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL; Teachers� 7611 Salaries are well-meaning teachers men, and if they are paid a fair salary under the new scheme let us hope it will pro,ve an added incentive work.

to them to do their Mr. EDUN: At no time during my speech I used the word "Indian" or the words "East Indians.·" Workers."

The workers by themselves.

the red herring do it in their own interest.


Those who want to draw of race are trying to I said "Sugar are in a class long angles, for myself, and it was felt to get rid of, and attendances Bars.

Speaking was most .
Speaking was most .

But it was a view difficult tion of long grade salary scales with Efficiency sir, I would like to say that the matter is one which was considered from various that the old method of paying teachers on the average abominable extremely it was felt that the sug,gested grade would meet the case and, as 1 have said, it seems that Members are in agreement with that view.

What concerns me as a Member of this Coun­ cil are the financial �nvolved.
As shown in the Message,, m 1944 the increased $280,000.

be due to the fact that the teachers general past, because if you werei to place alongside teachevs $280,,000 it would be found that the increase rise in the total cost and, as intimated will con­ in the Report, tinue until the maximum figure of something is reached.
cost will be this year may in were ve,ry poorly paid in the of the figure required to pay of this year that increase like over $1,000,000 that increase The increase represents a very substantial implications So much is being said about educa­ clamour for that in accordance ting the children.

We are all in with that view, but I am agreement whether the expense of wondering may not mean these recommendations that in future years we may have to cut our suit with our cloth.
There is a fairly large number of teache1rs on roll at the present time.

There is a general number to be increased.

both very burning and necessitous requirements, we have to make up our minds as to in the future.

what will be the position that unless our financial I am fearing more or less at what position remains it may mean that we it is at present, will be faced with a situation our educational may have to be curtailed.
but it seems to me that That is the warning I facilities in which They are Mr. de AGUIAR: Speaking as a I that from hon.

Mem­ reception has been taken to go at the favourable afforded of As a Memiber of this rather than to deal itself.

However, to the Report I am very this I would pref er to confine subject with Your Excel­ signatory gratified Report has received bers who have spoken.

On the other hand I am somewhat disappointed opportunity around the subject with the subject must excuse those hon.
Members who had grasped the opportunity them to deal with the wide question education.

my Council to remarks on this particular the motion dealing lency's enquire this Council principles this Report and the financial Perhaps I tions that are involved.
should interpret the r em a 1· k s made by those Members who have spoken that they have accepted the principles implications may be their side of the picture, I consider tion to these two points, future time there will be no misunder­ standing and to wh�ther or ·not Members of to accept the that have been enunciated in implica- it my duty to draw atten­ so that at SOiffie that are involved.

That but as well as the financial at all on the question.
Message on this subject are prepared The first thing on which I am sure is the agreement that was put forward that there will be general suggestion teachers system of average attendances.

was got over by the suggestion tained in the Report for the introduc- should not be paid on the old That con­ 765 Revision of 6 OCTOBER, 1944.

Teachers' Salaries 766 at present, at the moment, are reasonable, then it we will probably have vrnuld like to give at this time.
If we agree that the salary scales or as proposed, may mean bhat to reduce the numbeir of teachers at present on the roll.

It is only an expression of thought but I do hope a better solution may be found.

I do not want it to go out that this Council ha;s accepted the Report in its present form without any consideration having been given to the financial implications the present, things we have to face, and on that ground there should be no question about this Report.

port of this Council.


sir, I say it1 is one of those involved.

For receivin g the sup­ of the incremental to postpone the ultimate which, I notice I could see the logic in.

his argument.

But the reduction scales is really cost of the proposals from the M.e,ssage, will be found in less.

I am to be considerably practice using the words of the.

Message.
Message.

I do n·ot know how much less it is going to be, and all I hope is that the finances of the Colony will be able to maintain the present that it will not be found necessary even to reduce the number of teachers in our schools.

scales for some time and Mr. JACOB (sotto voce): Reducet That is what the hon.

Member will do.

One hon.

Member in the course of and the reason to the suggestion his remarks referred that was put up to reduce these incre­ mental scales.
I was s,omewhat dis­ appointed about that.

I think it was the hon.

Member for N orth•Western District (Mr. Jacob), why· he referred own expression-he go at the Secretary took the opportunity suggestion scales bear in mind and I thought have directed the fact that the incremental scales control posals.

to that - to use his wanted to have a of State and so he he would to that is, put forward that these his attention What I want him to the ultimate cost of the pro,­ of criticizing the be reduced.
Mr. JACOB: Exactly; that is what I do not want!

Mr. de AGUIAR: The ultimate ccst of the proposals Report will not give an additional teacher.

as.

stated in the Mr. JACOB: (sotto voco): Once you are there.

Mr. de AGUIAR: So I do not follow the hon.

Member's had hoped that by spending we would get five more teachers, then logic at all.

If he �1,178,000 and I of the scales.

as Com.mi ttee Mr. de AGUIAR: I would like to to for the Pupil Teachers.

from me.

Apairt from the of the proposed .


of Pupil Teachers or otherwise there can be no doubt about say that I hardly pa.y any attention what the hon.

Member says.

The same hon.

Member ref erred to the proposal he made in regard to the salary .
::cales su,ggested The answer that was given to him in Finance is cor:rect, am afraid it is the same answer he will receive adequacy suggested, it that any alteration scales of salaries will throw the whole set of propo,::;als out of gear, because it undoubtedly must mean the automatic increase those grades above the grade of Pupil Teachers resulting increase in the immediate as well as ultimate The hon.
Member in hiis usual style may have agreed with the Report in such a form as to represent of the an increase vote, because to him it may have looked everyone that hi,s object in But on this Colony will be achieved.

reflection in arriving wrong in believing lishment Colony e,ven tlhough see it carried he will find he is very wrong very that such an estab­ this can be maintained by at such a cO'Ilclusion, cost of the proposals.

in attacking we would like to out.


of in very substantial 767 Revision of LEGISLATIVE GOUNCI.L.

Teachers' 763 Salaries the reception I am very glad the Report has it has.

so far, and to the actual proposals received I do hope any other Member speaki.ng behind me on this motion will give some attention as they are-the financial involved will be able to record a decision this very important what we are committing in regard to this question.
that we , on realising question, to and the principles-so ourselves implications Mr. C. V. WIGHT: I do not pro- I to have Salaries up in my home by a nurse I would also like to point to that, when I pose to be very long.

on this subject.

will just make one or two remarks as I happen to be Chairman of the· Com­ · mittee whose report is being consid of ered.

I may say that the question has always been a Teachers' matter of concern to me even in the days of mYi infancy.
I would like to point out that during the first few months of my life I happened been brought who was a former School Teacher, a worthy woman who has produced three of the most prominent in the citizens Colony today one of whom happem; to be a teacher.

out that subsequent became a little older and perhaps working with matured, me whose son was a teacher.

doubt these associations disposed salaries small.


We had some difficulty in the matter but we over- came them and went ahead, and today we have received of gratification in· seeing our report so as we now observe.

well received, i;:; no doubt that we all want more salary but, as the hon.

Nominated Member has said, it is not just spend­ but it has to be done ing om education with a certain ness.
to the view that teachers' in themselves a· great measure made me pre­ I had a were very servant There No amount of reasonable­ in it may be like to foster, for which we are that, perhaps, as I visualize to ca;re and to select them it ·has failed, I take it, adult o!'

equiJ>s the youngsters Education, whether Member says: "Education it has not done enough."

of warning a boomerang.

will lead the,se people, juvenile, no doubt, their leaders.
Leadership, so to do, will help them considerably otherwise, it, we will It is just what the hon.

have failed.

Nominated has failed; Unless the education now providing and those same adults to whom refer­ ence has been made to be able to select who will lead them those leaders way and to eschew those the CO'rrect who seek self-aggrandisement and self.
praise, attribute failed to inculcate necessary ingredients and progressive they will so far have failed but the leadership, which seems to go into the channel of vulgar and personal abuse of every Member of this Council who sits here endeavouring iu the interest because the views of a particular re.presents ihope that the education whether vocational have as one of its objects: people to choose those who are going to lead them in their own interest.

Otherwise, failed.
Otherwise, failed.

to do his best of the communitv will or otherwise the to educate with Member ,vho of an enlightened Not only constituency.

I in this Colony, I say, our education it to the teachers.

having he happens to disagree a particular in the people the community.

and I will has The PRESIDENT: In my opinion of the Director the attendance is desirable Education and I have summoned him to the I will Council.

With your permission give him an opportunity in the debate.
to intervene on this occasion of I appreciate what one hon.

Member said with regard to a certain a certain industry-the ers.

They are on the average illiter­ ate.

But I would like to sound a note group in sugar work­ Mr. CREASE (Director of Educa­ tion) : Si,r, in the first place I would like to .

say how pleased I am to be here this afternoon and to be given a chance to take part in the debate on the motion before the Council.

I also wish to-say how .


, 769 Revision of 6 OCTOBER, 1944 • Teachers' Salaries 770 I am with the general gratified recep­ tion of the motion.

I think every Member who has spoken is in agree­ ment in principle its purpose-even I am sor-ry I do not know his official designation this Council stituted.

with the motion and the hon.

Mr. Jacob.


since it ,has been recon­ I have not been in because teachers but I do invite him to my he in will not suggest that this afternoon should give me all the directions which he hopes the improve, office at any time, and if he has any to make with regard to complaint teacher,s' any way work, or can suggest i11 which their work can be improved I shall be only too delighted him and gi v.e him all the assistance possible.
to listen to long grade of salary efficiency bars which Before making any comments on the remarks of hon.

Members I would like to make a few observations on the to the motion.

It wiU be Schedule seen that this scales contains will not be passed by any teacher, unless teacher, or assistant hE:ad teacher he gives two years' satisfactory work and conduct I feel sure, will have a very desirable effect on the teaching whole because gress unless he shows himself thorough­ ly efficient ment.
in the eyes of the Depart­ at a particular bar.

That, a teacher will not pro­ professi on as a The salary scales which have been to the British compare very fav0urably in other West and I think I can safely recommended with those existing Indian Colonies, say that it is the first time a matter has been referred Guiana Teachers' Association which has met with such a warm reception.
The were submitted to the proposed scales Association very short time the, reply came back that they had been considered by the Committee and reasonable.

something to satisfy ternity.

who regarded them as fair I think we have done the teaching for their views, and in a fra­ The first hon.

Mem­ May I just for a moment turn to the remarks made by some hon.

Members of this Council.

ber who spoke was the hon.

Mr. Edun who said he expects some return for the salaries to give to teachers.

hon.
hon.

Mr. Jackson, what improvement Well, like the I would like to know he expects.

I do which it is now proposed exact Bath and many other estates With regard to education on the I think the hon.

Member's e�tates words were that it had not penetrated on the sugar estates.

I beg to differ from him on this point.

Reference · been made to Pin.

Albion has already and the Canadian School there.


Mission I should also like to invite attention to the work which is being done and has been done by the sugar estates of Blairmont, where the Canadian Mission has schools.

stata in which those schools 10 year:s ago, but if he would visit them I feel sure he would ·be more than satisfied very fine work in assisting Denominations buildings We all owe a very great debt of grati­ tude to those estates for what thev have done.
have dor..e the various to improve their school he does not know the that the estates Perhaps were �::i.y and school accommodation.

The hon.

Member also refe-rred to to but just in our of adult edu­ I do not propose Mr. Hammond in his memo­ afternoon, I would like to" inform the hc,n.

adult education.

go into that this passing member that the question cation is at present occupying attention.
randum did not touch on that subject at all, but during the past three weeks with we have be-en in communication other Departments in the of Education West Indfos trying to glean some of their views on adult education.

It is a very big question ful working out, and I sincerely and trust that we shall, long, be able to put forward which wants care­ hope before very some pro- 771 Revision of LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.

Teacher.3' Salaries 772 posals for adult education.
those proposals the amount will be I cannot say.

will cost money.

What Naturally will send forward an applicatio!l grant under the Colonial Act.

and Welfare Development for a The hon.

Member also mentioned housing have found of teachers.

with a large of the housing and there are many instances in Georgetown; they to find suitable .

One of the recommenda­ the question I have great sympathy here.
We all know number of teachers very well that we cannot have all have to teachers be sent out to teach where they are required, in this Colony where teachers it impossible accommodation tions by Mr. Hammond was that in where houses were not those districts �o available that teachers near their schools.

an application already for a grant for this specific purpose, long we shall get news that a grant That will not mean has been approved.

that we will be able to erect the houses right away.
There is a war on and there is difficulty necessary houses should be erected should be able to live and I am hoping that before has gone forward materials.

in getting the In that connection I am not about the number of pupils I do not know whether that there are many who have larger classes The next hon.

Member who spoke was Mr. Lee who i,s not here at this moment.

He raised many points in hous-­ .

with the inadequate connection ing� the state of the school buildings and the accommodation.
quite sure but I think he mentioned something a teacher should have in a class, and I should think he said that no teacher have more than 40 pupils under hif!

control.

hp suggested teachers _than that.

At present you may find some, but I can assure hon.

Mem­ bers that the staffing of the schools better than it was now is infinitely three or four years ago.
The aim is �o have one teacher and as far as T in average figures the actual num­ know the latest employed ber of teachers to the number required with the average may be some instances not obtain.

It is not always possible evenly 40 p!.1pils for schools to each teacher, of schools staffing than it has ever been.

but I can say this at present is.


almost equal in accordance but there attendance, attendance, to allocate where this does for eve-ry 40 pupils is better and accom­ , and I was rather interested of teachers With regard to the remarks of the hon.

Mr. Jacob I have already dealt with the point raised about the insufficiency modation he made.

He said that one observation when he was a boy he might have been Well, I wis'h he had been, a teacher.
because he has always professed of the working have a wide knowledge of the Education Department, he might have he had been a teacher been on the staff and might have been of valuable help to us.

and if to in The hon.

Member also made ref er­ , accommodation of text books.

The of increased these are matters the supply of books ence to the supply.
question better buildings, and equipment-all which are now before the Secretary of State in connectiion and under the Colonial Welfare Act, except the supply of tExt books.

The Committee dealt with this has been delayed deliberatio unable to get prices from London.

As soon as they are available · which in its ns because we have been with grants Development Gove:r'Ilment Another remark he made was that the funds of the Department were If those administered.

not properly them.
not properly them.

were not his words I withdraw they and I maintain If they are correct, to that are, I take strong exception remark and leave it at that.

773 Revision of 6 OCTOBER, 1944.

Teachers' Salariet3 774 of second class certificates.

The question of the payment of has already been dealt teachers more in that of teachers the hon.

Member were confined to those between and are already in On the question of the form.
Up to the present for the Teachers' Trainjng branch of the Depart­ we have decided that of teachers should take time pupil teachers with by hon.

Members and I do not to say anything propose direction.

training had quite a lot to say, and I am not sure whether he is quite au fait with that particular ment.

Recently the training another candidates College 18 and 25 years.

Now the age-limit for 1945 is being removed.

I would like to inform the hon.


Member that quite a number of candidates-and it more and more so--are is becoming already who have had 5 or 6 years' experience possession With the new idea we hope to put into operation we shaU be able to meet the requests of quite a number of the older teachers class certificates the benefits ccurse of training, admitted to the Training CoJlege without matter on which I disagree with the He has the idea hon.

Mr. J ackison.
Mr. J ackison.

that an untrained teacher is just a� good, or did he say perhaps better I admit that we do a trained find this is so in some isolated cases, but I would not go so far as to say that they detrive benefit Teachers themselves possess certificates have seen the benefit of a course of training and are actually wanting to go into the College themselves.

from the course of training-.


who alr,�ady but who realize who possess first to be derived from a or very little no benefit, and they will be teacher?

examinat ion.

This is a further than t 1'he other Department.

the Education speakers I think have touched more or less on the financial side, and I do not propose to deal with that aspect as the hon.

the .. Coloniai r is far more capable points.


than I am to deal with those Treasurei In conclusion I wouid like to that I have been to have this opportunity repeat once more very pleased to be here, and more so on account of the fact that as far as I can recollect in my connection Council in the old days, this motio-:1 has been more favourably than any other I have been privileged to speak on.
with the Legislative received co!Iltroversy The COLONIAL TREASURER: After of much I can of education well balanced and do not want to provide to those excellent the excellent, tempered speech by the hon.

Mir.

,Jack­ �on and the speech by the Director Education, there is nothing say.

I certainly an anticlimax .


I do not pTetend that this speeches motion, will solve any of if accepted, those major difficulties but, as I have said, it will put an end to the very long-standing of the in regard to the inadequacy to our teaching remuneration Nevertheless, many speakers major issues and did not on several , confine their remarks to teachers'.

such as they salaries, by the two were, have been answered to whom I have referred.
speakers The Chairman of the Committee has also• spoken, his colleague observed Chairman of the Committee was worried regard to teachers' remember what worried early days, but I do not think it h�d to do with teachers' anything said he in salaries.

me in my in his early infancy and the hem.

Member who was that in his remarks the on the Committee.

but those points, salaries.

I cannot did touch staff.

1 I would like to thank the hon.


very much indeed for the of Mr. Jackson very fine way he spoke in support the motion and on behalf of the teachers.

Mr. Lnckhoo for his reference to the work I have endeavoured to do in I also wish to thank the hon.

As regards the financial implica­ tions I pointed of teachers' serious out that this revision will impose a very salaries burden on our finances, but 775 Social Welfare LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.

Grants 776 that we had to face it.


Those remarks .have been repeated .

ber for Central Aguiar), add anything said.

Members fully realize that and I do not think I can more to what I have by the hon.

Mem- Demerara (Mr. de "they have said much more on tha.t point in Finance have said to-day.

more.

add anything \ Committee I do nqt think I can than they of the Social The Message taken for the formation Welfare Organisation.

has been in the hands of Members for a month or more.
It has also received from the local Press, and I comments think Members will have read it.

I there­ fore do not propose that are set out in the Me·asage, details my remarks to the sub­ but to confine which is that a sum ject of the motion, of $1,000 should be placed at the of the Social Welfare Officer disposal struggling to assi-st sations.
to deal with the voluntary organi­ The PRESIDENT: There is one It is that the possi­ the cost of the exten­ under these proposals point I would like to mention which was made by the hon.

Member for Central Demerara.

bility of meeting sion of education is a matter which Government has under most careful bers know, and have said so in Finance Committee, difficult afford it.

All I can say now is that into is going most closely Government will be it, and an announcement made at an early date.
that the whole crux of this matter is whether we can examination.

Hon.

Mem­ Motion put, and agreed to.

GRANTS TO SOCIAL WELFARE ORGANISATIONS.

The COLONIAL SECRET ARY: I beg to move:- on supplementary THAT, with reference to the Gov­ of a sum of Message :,i.pproves for the_ current being provided No.
4 of the 11th of July, ernor's 1944, this Council $1,000 year and placed estimates of the Social Welfare at the disposal Officer for the purpose of making grants of small sums, where it appears to do so, to voluntary so as to enable Organisiations ate stc..rt to be made with a desirable project, struggling a young and organisation.

Social Welfare an immedi­ or to encourage voluntary desirable the subject It may be asked why it has taken a Message of some 11 paragraph-a explain I have read?
The reason is that this was considered to place before the Members of this of the action befng Council an Qutline matter of the motion a suitable to opportunity Members are aware that applica­ and is to promote to the and the The clubs provide or of boys' of full development, They are not clubs for those welfare the salaries of the necessary of the Social clubs.
These clubs I are clubs for yo;mg and Welfare Act to pro­ in this Colony, tions have been made from time to time for grants under the Colonial Development mote social to provide staff.

One of the objects Welfare Organisation to assist in the promotion clubs and girls' may explain, persons who have been denied the opportunity some­ times referired to as the under­ privileged.

who can afford subscriptions better clubs in Georgetown- country districts.
for the improvement, and physical, one of the activities is, of development course, out-door games.

Several of these clubs have been organised in Georgetown, attention some playing field .

for those young persons.

an airea of land for the purpose viding playing fields of those clubs.

covered deal of physical dition.

capacity although as they were only too willing far .as they were able to.
What was required plouih �ml harrow to plough anq level labour to put it in con­ This was beyond the physical of those boys and girls, I was able to obtain a leas� of of pro­ to my and it was brought that what was lacking was for boys· and girls The land, however, really was a tractor with scrub and will of their members, for the physical of the members, spiritual.

to.

assist take a good mental, with a is and 777 Social Welfare 1944.
6 OCTOBER, in making up their the land so that they may be able to employ themselves field.

Ploughs own playing take money, and I find myself unable to provide funds.

I therefore �.pplied t sents the bulk of the Indian population here, has very strong views on this matter.

A resolution conference with your permission, to read it.

The resolution sir, I would like • states:- held two Sundays ago, and for assistance.
to Government and tractors was passed at a "Whereas the Indian youths, especial­ on to meet their wishes, the standard of living We have made frequent That is only one instance where 1 had been asked by a stru�gling organi­ sation for some small sum to assist them.
1 think it is very desirable these occasions to be able to assist and I regret being unable organisatiorn,, on this occ2sion would wish but I feel that this Council to have some financial interest in the Social Welfare Organisation, the primary object of which is, of course1 to try to ,raise of the.

people.

applications nial Development I feel that this Council would not desire that we should go hat in hand begging for small sums such as this now before I therefore obtained per­ the Council.
to bring this motion to the mission Council and I am asking for its approval.

Tlie opportunity has been taken to review and outline the action being taken in the formation of the Social Welfare Organisation, and l feel now that Members who have found it convenient familiar have pleasure support for grants under the Colo­ and Welfare Act, and in asking this Council to read the Message are with the details.

the motion.

I therefore to Mr. EDUN seconded.


sections of the to take extreme care to Mr. JACOB: �his motion has my support but I should like to advise Government see that not only certain benefit by this motion.

community The hon.

Member for Eastern Berbice (Mr. E. A. Luckhoo) racial issue the previous been my policy here to speak on racial matters, times to do so.

The British Guiana wbiGh rep:re- East Indian Association, while he was speaking motion.
It has never but I think it is proper at brought in the on ly in the rural areas, are in dire need of proper social and cultural guidan�e; 1 "And whereas Government has appointed a Youth Council to cc-ordinate and assist Movement of the Colony; ��1.e entire 'Yuuth "And whereas Government to appears � from left out Indians have deliberately the Youth Council in spite of there bc,in� jn existence several Indian l Youth Organisations; "And wherec.s Indians regard this action as an unfair treatment of their youths, especially in the rurf..!l areas where little or no social amenities available are to them; "Be it resolved: th&t this Confer­ ence respectfully requests to take immediate Indians Government steps to appoint on thie Youth Council."
That resolution was carried unani­ sup­ still aware It is an mously at the Conference.

excellent thing to train your youths and to see them go along the straight path.

That has my wholehearted port, but is this Government of of the fact that there are thousands children between the ages of six and school- twelve years, the compulsory age, who are not in school at all.

I • want to take this opportunity to make a very strong reference to that .fact.
While there are some Members who have been in this Council over 25 years • and have advised Gove,rnment on this they have never question of education, its attempted realize to see the children responsibility are train­ for the elementary in the schools in the schools.
ing as provided Now that an attempt is to be made to train the youths there is a strong feeli'Il!g that in a certain is a red herring quarter being drawn across the trail so that the real problem a Member of the Advisory I feel very strQngly As Committee to let Government will go unsolved.

th&t it shcn1lcl be 779 Social Welfare LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.
Grants 780 to the Welfare Officer or the from which it was will not be for them, when of deliberate­ time that require I warn Government from the bottom and not -from Government the people representation to make the people understand to throw dust in the eyes of to attempted the public.

proceed the top.

This Government allowed it is doing something in truth and in fact it is not doing anything.
n which looks The Associatio after the welfare of Indians has for many years passed resolutions at meet­ ings accusing ly refusing the in a matter of this kind.

Perhaps hon.

Member, who took such pains ti) and certain defend Government ests, will get up and say something on this matter and whether he himself is to a large extent for not resnonsible in the the state of affairs Colony, at the present time.
I say they are Gove·rnment's many-and some Government OfficfaJs have deliberately down, and the time has come when there should be no more fooling As a Member of this Coundl I wm never agree to that policy.

existin� a little Guiana East Indian Association the motion Organizations hon.

Member on my left (Mr. .Jacob).


of the fact that the I am cognizant are doing good social organizations work, but I do not know whether the a while ago has been resolution read forwarded not, or simply finds lodgement in "Indian Opinion" read.

As I understand there are Social at.

the present say it is a verv help, and I want to help good thing to give them the little they need.

I have no doubt that if the British start a Youth Movement little be given them.
It is to my mind a lapse on the part of the hon.

serious to Member for North-Western in and maki.ng com­ be always butting plaints when there arei motions that have a very great object in view.

J <lo not think his attitude foot further.

deserves I do feel that any organization that from this amount requires the Authorities and satisfies tering this amount will receive Why bluster about something the motion before the Council?

adminis­ help.
adminis­ help.

and make a lot of noise help from this amount it would has my wholehearted I do say this motion This resolution kept this country advisers-and administered with not connected of the Council, assistance the support takes him one existing District around.

and ask for a inte,r­ and between and I hope the paltry $1,000 support, asked for will be properly the people who and distributed are rn need of it and who are not in where there is a lot of Georgetown social amenities provided.
If this $1,000 is not spent in the rural areas on the people who cannot read and 1write, but where it is not, m11ch needed, the real problem will still remain and then we will be told as some hon.

Members have said "Govern­ ment is doing its best and we must take time!'

I am getting Government to do and has duTing the last century I hope I will not} failed miserably.

to say in the next have the opportunity 25 years that this Government failed as in the past.

has had ample opportunity old.


Th is has Mr. .T ACKSON: I rise to support this motion but on different lines from what hais been sug-gested by the Mr. JACOB: I take strong objec• tion to the remarks made by the hon.

Member, on the ground that Nominated the hon.

Member has gone out of his if not to abuse his col­ way to criticise league in this Council.

The PRESIDENT: I think the hon.

Member for North-Western must take what he gets.

District Mr. EDUN: The motion has my support.


I feel that if there are debat­ members can go wholehearted in the rural districts ing clubs where the and char­ and examine the credentials acter of their Legislative tives they will be able to oust those Representativeis tion, Take the case of Essequibo: I out at a general elec­ Representa­ 781 Social Welfm·e 6 OCTOBER, 1944.

Grants 782 There pasture cricket assistance in the future.

when the Social that Y.M.C.A.


dares to oppose that, he from an excellent with some is proposed, might never have ( financial been deserted by those members.

That is the kind of thing, I hope, that will be rectified Apart from that, it will be a crime to allow a recre­ ation ground in any village of this Colony to deteriorate field to a cattle Welfare Officer can give a grant to assist in its upkeep.

If any Member of the Council will pay for it.

One Member has spoken about clubs on the sugar estates.
again someone gets up and says it is As a member of an Indian question.

the Indian Publicity Committee-and somehow I happen to be the spirit behind that organisation-I can say that an Indian Youth Movement has been created and I am sure that as soon as this vote is passed the Secre­ tary will apply to the Social Welfare Officer for some assistance.

spirit will benefit the villages where they need to have debating clubs.
I for one will ask the Social Welfare Officer not to forget Windsor Forest, where a centre with a large population, ground is a necessity a recreation as well as a meeting place for the boys to have their talks in the evenings.

have lived in that district tjme, and the hon.

Member for Dem­ erara-Essequibo whether and if we had assistance work might have been continued.
(Dr. Singh) can say work there, like this th2.t in the air I feel the rural districts I did social welfare and the remote parts­ just recently, greatly-the sugar estates, With that for -some I the voters would I do not wait until I am not a lnwyer, but I another Representati in order to elucidate I have seconded this It will be found ve.

wel­ I welcome these social am sure that if there were debating clubs in that district have selected Therefore fare schemes.

motion on principle.


that I have been initiating discussion in this Council.

Members speak and then pick holes in their speeches principles.

can do just as much as a lawyer on any platform Court or the Supreme Court.

Let me tell you, sir, what will happen when you put $1,000 in the hands of the Social Welfare Officer.

There is a building Y.M.C.A.

great leader, of the rural Corry, one of the fathers districts of this Colony.

It is in ruin.

I hope that the Y.M.C.


A. members there will approach Officer for a grant to help them to rebuild it.

at Den Amstel known as the Hall, which was built by that Mr. James McFarlane the Social W el-fare except in the Magistrates' those who existing at the and the build­ to go to ruin.

Two the Association time.

That building is owned Mr. JACKSON: I rise to a point of order!

There are no Y.M.C.A.

members in Den Amstel.

There i.s no Den Amstel Y.M.C.A.


present by an individual because were members of the Association deserted ing was allowed of the Officers of the Den Amstel Y.M.C.A., and Mr. J.

Wood Davis, sold the build­ ing and lodged the money vtith the Georgetown to b0 given out at any time after the organization has been resuscitated Member does not know what he is talking at Den Ams tel and no building in 1·uin belonging about.

There is no Y.M.C.A.

to the Den Amstel Y.M.C.A.

the late Hon.

A.

B.

Brown there.


The hon.

Y.M.C.A.

I had thought the amount would Instead in provid­ of $1,000, of having the sugar clubs and recreation have been £1,000 instead and even that would be too small in a matter of this kind to assist ing debating grounds.

estate workers at nights or roaming aimlessly about the road and using filthy you language, will have them in their clubs discussing of the moment and hoping to questions aspire to the better things in life.
As soon as the motion was moved I thought it my duty to se�on9-it.- on the bridges loitering Mr. EDUN: I invite any Member to take a walk with me in of this Council and see that building big letters as a monument of past maladministra­ tion in that village.

Welfare_ Orianization "Y.M.C.A.," like the ldn<l marked thereon If we had a Social standing the.re · th�t '183 Social Welfare LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.
Grants 784 people an organization Mr. K A. LUCKHOO: I think I on mob in uplift g in I underlined for discussing to a rumshop for their dis­ have arisen from the of this sort in the country order in the districts.

forward this motion because should be congratulated and many cases of disorderly is very impor­ of the people of in particular.
Government bringing the principle social tant-the the country districts ag-ree with those Members who have said that there is a great need for an organization areas where the people will have a sort of rendezvous topics of inter­ the day and taking an intelligent and est in the affairs of the country, probably them away thereby keeping crowds and assistin from disorderly maintaining know that people for want of a better place resort cussions, behaviour meeting in such places where drinking is freely indulged in and they become a very lawless the end.
For the safety and protection of a peace-loving of this sort will be most valuable to the race but in people not of any particular general.

is for the The organization general areas and, I think, they need it more than those in the towns.

My onl.v regret is that the amount to be placed at the disposal of the Social Welfare Officer is so very small to meet applica­ tions which may come in.
This $1,000, however, to the commun­ will be helpful ity and to the Police Force, as I know of my own knowledge a good many of the cases which do arise.

On that ground alone I am going to suggest a very good idea Rosehall there are no public meeting-places the people, certain meeting-places purpose their minds accrue from it is possible placed at the disposal Welfare Officer in order that he may be able to meet applications for among a class.
I hope that there will be for the people for the and the uplift that it is to form clubs.

From of the people in the rural on the Corentyne of recreation of the Social no debating to Skeldon of that sort.

society uplift of Mr. C. V. WIGHT: I agree with the hon.

Member who has just taken his organiz­ and literary when he visited demands which will be in giving priority I also feel that there is good where hon.

Members' repre­ may be debated.


seat in what he has said, but I am afraid the Social Welfare Officer will have some difficulty to the several made on him by these several ations.

ground to have debating societies I think the sentation must have hon.

Nominated Member taken a hand in forming the debating society the constituency of Essequibo I think that these societies will give one a chance one's aims or supple­ to further ment one's rather diminishing account.
I understand ber needed $300 to $800 presumably encourage a struggling when he I knOl\v he was successful visited when I go there l am unable to get $1.00.

l wish the hon.

Member will tell me how it is done.

th€re but unfortunately to· organization.

quite recently.

the hon.

Mem­ advance bank Mr.

PEER BACCHUS: I intend e amount to move an amendment-th to read £1,000 instead of $1,000.

and we this is rather a simple for the current year As the hon.

The COLONIAL TREASURER: The motion speaks of $1,000.
That is required are now in October.

Mover explained, motion introduced in this formal man­ ner so as to give opportunity of the Council the feeling generally Social Welfare the position.

There is no reason why, now that Members have expressed an added amount cannot be feelings, for next year.

put on the Estimates in regard to their for testing and explaining Mr.

PEER BACCHUS: I will the Social for £1,000.

still move my amendment We may call it a token vote.
There would be no harm if the amount lapses.

Welfare I just want to relieve Reasons Officer of any embarrassment.

of have been given for the necessity and I do helping any not intend to pursue that argument f.urther.

The fact is that Government has seen the neces,sity for presenting this motion to the Council these organizations, today, and l and that much good will them.

I suggest that if a larger amount be 785 Soci,al Welfare 6 OCTOBER, 1944.
Grants '7�6 Officer will be hope the Social Welfare given a token vote of £1,000 or suffi­ cient money to foster social organiza­ tions throughout we would be able to form a better idea as to what the amount should be.

the Colony.

In 1945 is not a to which members organization Jacob) it is indeed glad to hear that at long la:t there is Organization.

I may The COLONIAL SECRETARY: With regards to the remarks made by the hon.
Member for North-Western District (Mr. tidings an Indian Youth say that the Youth Council political of races or member:s of every organiza­ tion shall be appointed.

"ization Youth Organizations operating throughout a great disappointment Officer in the formation of that Welfare to find that there existed at Council the time no Indian Youth Organization to whom we could have extended an invitation under the usual condition·s this Colony.

It was indeed to me as Social to come in and assist us.
that are actuallv It is an organ- to which may be affiliated Mr. JACOB: May I rise to a point and say that statement is There are Indian Youth in the Eastern Berbice of correction not correct!

Organizations Constituency-at Rosehall East Coast of Berbice.

known to Government people's and several fault.

other places on the If that is not it is not the Rosehall Village, Pln.

I there­ of the Youth Council.

bership fore welcome the news that these exist to-day.

organizations do actually The hon.


Nominated Member (Mr. of time or that Social Welfare to the spirit to the amount to be "Social Welfare" Edun) referring in the air.

voted referred I do not know if he was thinking Christmas Officer is another name for Father Christmas.

term for '' Self Help.''

organizations to· assist themselves unlikely money.

This money is to support and help those who are actuall themselves, borne in mind.
they are very any part of this and I hope that will be show the will and spirit UnlesR these to receive is another y assisting The hon.

Member for North-West­ also asked whether or the education he was ern District wrong when he said this is a red her­ ring drawn across the trail.

I am very to say he is wrong.


It has pleased to do with primary whatever nothing education between the ages of six and twelve to we take whom he referred, and great interest the adult in the social welfare organi­ and will It is not intended zations.

never be a red herring as the hon.

Member for North-Western District I am grateful suggests.

of hon.

Members made in support the motion.

in youth, adolescent for the remark::; of children although of The COLONIAL TREASURER: This but I made enquiries.
have sprung up The COLONIAL SECRETARY: That !

When the was formed there was is not a correction Youth Council not at that time an Indian Youth Organ­ I learnt that not only from ization.

Indians prominent Those organizations now and I am very glad to hear that.
It is certainly Government have representation a matter of fact many Indians are which are at members of organizations time represented on the the present but there was not at the time Council, of the formation Indian organization my desire and that of that Indian youths should on this Council.

As of the Council an for mem- qualified of $1,000 for year and the amount to be estimate.
Nor­ motion merely will give the Gov­ ernor power at once to authorize by warrant an expenditure the current paid on supplementary mally this is a formal procedure merely to get a debate on the subject in this Council, Welfare Officer will ask for whatever sum he considers Hon.

Members will then have another it is too opportunity 1 do suggest that big or too little.

hon.
hon.

Members do not press this amend­ it is not ment for an increase and next year the Social of saying whether because taken will be necessary.

787 Social Welfare LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.

788 Even if the amount of $1,000 necessary.

remains and the Social Welfare requires course ask for it.

more he can in the normal Officer lVIr.

JACOB: I accept that, but I for a Woman Child Welfare I do not knrow why, if you are chil­ would like to ref er to the hon.

Mover of the motion to Message No.


4 which provides Officer.

not going to take into account dren between there should be such an officer.

would like to know from what age youth begins.

the ages of six and twelve, I in I do not say we are not interested youths of all ages; we are.

I think the matter to which the hon.

Member refers is the matter of primary education as a Member of the Advisory tee of that Department opportunity to and Commit• speak on that there.
he will have an is to succeed who have no parents.

Mr. JACOB: If this Social Organ .. it must take in the ization I think children y knows Secretar the hon.

the Colonial that there are hundreds who of children are not in school and have no one to look after them.

ought to be able to do so through Officer.

I am going to appeal to him not to put a corrupt on this Message.
this construction This organization The COLONIAL SE<CRETARY: l that the Woman Officer is an officer actual­ to the to-day attached duties who would 1 ike to explain Child Welfare ly in employment Alms House, and her particular are to follow up cases of children for them have had guardians from Poor and are in receipt Relief Funds.

She sees they are prop­ kept, prop­ erly looked after,-properly educated.

erly housed and properly Her to that class of work.
are confined duties appointed of relief Question put, and agreed to.

Motion carried.

The PRESIDENT: we now adjourn to Thursday adjourned 12th October.

to Thursday, The Council at 12 noon.

accordingly I suggest that