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THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT TUESDAY 08 FEBRUARY 2022 MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO: 205 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon.

Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP.

DEPUTY SPEAKER Hon.

P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP.

(Tonota) Clerk of the National Assembly Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly Learned Parliamentary Counsel Assistant Clerk (E) His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP.

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP.


(Boteti West) CABINET - President - Vice President - Ms B. N. Dithapo - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe - Advocate L. O. Tlhowe - Mr R. Josiah Hon.

K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP.

(Molepolole South) - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

K. T. Mmusi, MP.

(Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon.

Dr L. Kwape, MP.

(Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon.

K. K. Autlwetse, MP.


(Specially Elected) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon.

K. S. Gare, MP.

(Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

P. K. Kereng, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism Hon.

Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP.

(Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon.

T.M.

Segokgo, MP.

(Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon.

K. Mzwinila, MP.
K. Mzwinila, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon.

T. M. Rakgare, MP.

(Mogoditshane) - Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development Hon.

A. M. Mokgethi, MP.

(Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon.

P. O. Serame, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon.

F. M. M. Molao, MP.

(Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Hon.

Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP.


(Tati East) Hon.

L. M. Moagi, MP.

(Ramotswa) - Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology - Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security Hon.

M. Kgafela, MP.

(Mochudi West) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

M. R. Shamukuni, MP.

(Chobe) - Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development Hon.

E. M. Molale, MP.

(Goodhope-Mabule) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development Hon.
D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP.

(Gaborone South) - Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

S. N. Modukanele, MP.

(Lerala -Maunatlala) Hon.

T. Monnakgotla, MP.

(Kgalagadi North) Hon.

M. M. Pule, MP.

(Mochudi East) Hon.

M. S. Molebatsi, MP.


(Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

S. Lelatisitswe, MP.

(Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness Hon.

N. W. T. Makwinja, MP.

(Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education Hon.

B. Manake, MP.
B. Manake, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

H. B. Billy, MP.

(Francistown East) Hon.

A. Lesaso, MP.

(Shoshong) - Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES Names Constituency Hon.

L. Kablay, MP.

(Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon.

Dr U. Dow, MP.

Hon.


P. Majaga, MP.

Hon.

M. Balopi, MP.

Hon.

J. S. Brooks, MP.

Hon.

C. Greeff, MP.

Hon.

T. Letsholo, MP.

Hon.

T. F. Leuwe, MP.

Hon.

T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP.

Hon.

Dr T. Matsheka, MP.

Hon.

S. N. Moabi, MP.

Hon.

P. K. Motaosane, MP.

Hon.

O. Regoeng, MP.

Hon.

J. L. Thiite, MP.


Specially Elected Nata-Gweta Gaborone North Kgalagadi South Gaborone Bonnington South Kanye North Takatokwane Gaborone Central Lobatse Tati West Thamaga-Kumakwane Molepolole North Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon.

D. Saleshando, MP.

(Leader of the Opposition) Hon.

M. G. J. Motsamai, MP.


(Opposition Whip) Maun West Ghanzi South Selebi Phikwe West Mahalapye East Sefhare-Ramokgonami Ngami Okavango Maun East Bobonong Selebi Phikwe East Palapye Nkange Mahalapye West Francistown West Hon.

D. L. Keorapetse, MP.

Hon.

Y. Boko, MP.

Hon.

Dr K. Gobotswang, MP.

Hon.

C. K. Hikuama, MP.

Hon.

K. K. Kapinga, MP Hon.

G. Kekgonegile, MP.

Hon.

T. B. Lucas, MP.

Hon.

K. Nkawana, MP.

Hon.

O. Ramogapi, MP.

Hon.

Dr N. Tshabang, MP.

Hon.

D. Tshere, MP.

Hon.


M. I. Moswaane, MP.

Hon.

T. S. Khama, MP.

Hon.

L. Lesedi, MP.

Hon.

B. Mathoothe, MP.

Hon.

M. Reatile, MP.

(Botswana Patriotic Front) Serowe West Serowe South Serowe North Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon.

W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.
Francistown South (Alliance for Progressives) TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT TUESDAY 8th FEBRUARY, 2022 CONTENTS PAGE (S SPEAKER’S REMARKS....................................................................................................................................1, 21 QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER.................................................................................................................1-20 Tuesday 8th February, 2022 (2) Introduction of quick wins.
THE ASSEMBLY met at 2:00 p.m. (3) Skills enhancement and mentorship programmes, (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) P R A Y E R S * * * * (4) Collaboration with other stakeholders like sister ministries; Agriculture, Investment, Trade and Industry le tse dingwe.

(5) Development of land banks, SPEAKER’S REMARKS (6) Youth Development Fund (YDF) job creation.

MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Pray be seated.

…Silence… MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Honourable Members, good afternoon.


Let us start our proceedings with questions.

QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER UNEMPLOYED YOUTH IN BOTSWANA MR M. REATILE (JWANENG-MABUTSANE): asked the Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development to state: (i) the number of unemployed youth in Botswana; (ii) the number of underemployed youth in Botswana; (iii) Government’s interventions to create employment for the youth and its key performance indicators; and (iv) the results of these interventions.
MINISTER YOUTH ASSISTANT EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR BILLY): Mbidzi dumlani.

OF (7) Internship and voluntary programmes; bo Tirelo Setshaba.

(8) COVID-19 Relief Fund.

Mr Speaker, the key performance indicators for the above interventions are dependent on the number of opportunities availed to youth per programme.

(ii) Fa ke ntse ke le foo Mr Speaker, part of the question is the results of these interventions.
We have under affirmative action about 20 per cent quota reservation, ya micro procurement.

For financial year 2021/2022, we have spent around P64, 385, 491.54 mo bananeng.

Under 15 per cent quota reservation ya maintenance, we have used P2, 327, 201.28 mo bananeng.

Under tenders, there is price preference under tenders which is 15 per cent, we have used about P195, 493, 009.13.

Under introduction of quick wins, 21 youth companies have benefited.
We have 214 that benefited in purchasing commercial plots and then paying them in terms of soft loan e le instalments.

Under skills enhancement programmes and mentorship, we have 295 youth trained on soft skills.

We have 73 youth trained on construction.

Re na le 51 youth trained in diamond sorting by the DeBeers Sales Academy.

(i) Mr Speaker, the number of unemployed youth in Botswana stands at 167 945 out of 509 195.

(ii) The youth that are under employed is around 0.05 per cent which is 26 552.
(iii) Mr Speaker, the Government has come up with various sector specific interventions to address unemployment as follows: (1) Affirmative Action in favour of youth; 15 per cent maintenance reservation for youth construction companies.

We also have 15 per cent price preference to tenders and 20 per cent reservation for micro procurement.

Under collaboration with other stakeholders; we have used about P2.5 million and created 40 jobs for youth cooperatives.

Kwa bo Zutshwa, Kgagodi, Maun and Moralane.


We have created 49 jobs under Botswana Animal Identification and Tracking System (BAITS).

Serowe Grey Water Horticulture Project created about 8 jobs.

Development of land banks; we used about P4.5 million to refurbish Moiyabana, Lecheng and Moshaweng youth agriculture business as an incubation process.

We have 167 incubation spaces tse re di boneng through LEA, tse re di dirisang for banana.
Under YDF, we created over 1000 jobs with a budget of P89, 399, 997.00.

Mo go tsone those jobs go hirilwe banana as I have said.

Mr Speaker, let me end here.

Thank you sir.

1 Hansard No 205Tuesday 8th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MR REATILE: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker, ke leboga le Tona.


Tona o re tlhagise mo kgannyeng ya gago ya collaboration with other ministries, ke batla go tlhaloganya gore mo tenders tse di tshwanang le tsa North-South Carrier (NSC), a go na le Batswana bape ba o ba tlhokometseng ba o buang ka bone who benefited mo billions tse di tseneng mo NSC?
Ke batla gape o re tlhalosetse gore, mo bo Cut 8, Cut 9 kwa bo Jwaneng, a go na le banana bape ba o kileng wa netefatsa gore ka collaboration ya lona, they have benefited mo projects tse tsa billions tsa kwa Jwaneng?

Honourable Minister, a ga se gore gongwe o tla o tlhakanya fa o ntse o re bo P195 million.

Gongwe jaanong o tsaya le bana ba maChina o bo o tsaya gore ka gore ke banana, le bone they qualify.

Tota I was referring to banana ba Batswana, le fa potso e ne e sa tlhalosa jalo.

I thank you sir.
I thank you sir.

MR BILLY: Honourable Reatile, thank you for that follow up question.

All those three follow up questions are really new questions, tse di batlang gore I should go and find out or make a research ke bone gore ke banana ba le kae who benefited.

Fa ke leng teng gone jaana, I cannot give any number or assure you Honourable Member gore ke banana ba le kae ba ba ka tswang ba hirilwe.

Ya maChina le Batswana, my interest was only mo Batswaneng e seng bana ba maChina.
DR GOBOTSWANG: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Honourable Minister, fa o bua ka banana ba ba sa hirwang, a o tsenya le ba Ipelegeng mo teng?

Ke raya ka gore mo nakong e fetileng go kile ga umakega gore ba Ipelegeng le bone ke batho ba ba hirilweng.

A o tsentse dipalo tsa bone mo teng?

A mme dipalo tsa gago tsa banana ba ba sa hirwang, ba ba senang ditiro, di tsentse ba ba batlileng ditiro mme ba setse ba itlhobogile?
A banana ba ba setseng ba itlhobogile ba batlile ditiro, le na le dipalo tsa bone Honourable Minister?

Ya bofelo ke kgang ya underemployment ya banana mme ba dira ditiro tse di sa tsamaelaneng le dithutego tsa bone, tse di kwa tlase ga di thutego tsa bone, dipalo tse, a ke dikakanyetso fela kana di tlhwaafetse?

Le di tsaya kae dipalo tsa banana ba ba underemployed?

A mme gone banana ba ba underemployed a ba tsenya ba Internship le Tirelo Setšhaba?

I thank you Mr Speaker.


MR BILLY: Honourable Member, fa o ka lebelela Tirelo Setšhaba, ga e ipeye gore e a hira, it upskills banana.

E ba ruta the work ethics.

E ba rutuntsha gore fa ba tswa mo Tirelo Setšhaba, ba bo ba na le work ethics.

E nngwe o ne o botsa gore a banana ba Botswana ba ba unemployed ke tsentse ba ba itlhobogileng; I think when you say unemployed youth, o raya ba ba sa berekeng.

Ga ke itse gore mo go bone go na le ba ba itlhobogileng le ba ba sa itlhobogang.
I am actually giving the number e ke neng ke batliwa gore ke e tsise.

Dipalo ke di tsaya kae tsa underemployed; ke di tsaya mo tshekatshekong e e neng ya dirwa ke ba Multi-Topic Household Survey ka ngwaga wa 2020, ba batla go bona unemployed le underemployed youth.

E nngwe e ga ke itse gore a ke go utlwile sentle, o ne o reng ka the last one?

DR GOBOTSWANG: Tirelo Setšhaba le Internship.


MR BILLY: Employment ya Tirelo Setšhaba le Internship ke tlhalositse gore ke ya banana but it is not for job creation.

Tirelo setšhaba ke e e rutuntshang banana to prepare them for environment ya tiro.

We give them skills there.

Re ba baakanyetsa go ya go bereka.

Ke a leboga.

MR LUCAS: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Tona, o buile ka palo e ya 164, 000 ya banana ba ba sa hirwang, mme mo go yone, mo Budget ya gompieno ya 2022/2023, a le na le e le lebileng gore e tlaa hirwa mo go yone?

Fa e le gore e teng, o e tlhalosetse Ntlo fano.

Ya bobedi ke gore, 164, 000 o, target ya lona ke gore mo dingwageng tse pedi tse di tlang, le bo le setse le hirile bokae mo ditirong tse di farologanyeng mo lefatsheng la Botswana?

Ke a leboga.

MR BILLY: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Honourable Member, ke ka e araba ke akaretsa number one and two because di a tsamaelana.

Budget ya rona ya 2022 e go bontsha gore re lwantsha Recurrent Budget.

Re batla gore budget e tona e nne ya Development Budget ka maikaelelo a gore it creates employment ka bo yone.

Se sengwe gape ke gore, ke dumela gore o ne reeditse sentle maabane fa Tona a tlhalosa gore ke ditiro tse kae tse di yang go tlhamiwa.

O ne a bua ka construction, gore e ya go nna teng.


Construction fa e dirwa re solofela ditiro.

A bo a tlhalosa gape gore go ya go nna le Constituency Community Projects (CCP), madi a ya go dirisiwa mo bathong ba locality eo.

Ke tsaya gore it is part of job creation, ga e dirwe fela ke Ministry of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development (MYSC).

Other sister ministries ke boikarabelo jwa bone gore ba tlhame employment jaaka ke tlhalosa ka ditiro tse di yang go dirwa ke ba Local Government.
Ke a leboga.

2 Hansard No 205Tuesday 8th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MR LUCAS: Ke ne ke re di le kae?

MR BILLY: I cannot give numbers.

MR LUCAS: So you cannot?

MR BILLY: Not in this position, I cannot give numbers.

Gakere you can also see that the question is new Honourable Member.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)...

MR MOSWAANE: Supplementary.


Ke botse Tona ka o a itse gore palo ya Botswana re ka tshwara 2,7 million plus or minus, mme dipalopalo di supa gore banana ba ba 18 years to 35 ba ka tshwara 60 to 70 per cent.

Jaanong palo e ya gago ya ba ba unemployed o e tsaya fa kae?

A o rurifatsa gore bontsintsi jo bo kaiwang e le 70 per cent ba mo ditirong ka nako ya gompieno?

O e tlhole sentle karabo eo rraetsho fa e le gore go dirilwe study.

Ga ke ise ke se bone mo Francistown kana gope mo Botswana.
Ba se dira ka sephiri fela.

Thank you.

MR BILLY: Honourable Speaker, ga ke itse gore a mo ke potso kana suggestion ya ga Honourable Member?

MR MOSWAANE: Ke potso.

MR BILLY: Fa e le gore ke potso, kana fa o bodiwa gore o tsise dipalo, ga go na jaaka o ka tsisa tse di sa rurifadiwang.

Ke dumela gore re tlaa rurifatsa gore ba Multi-Topic Household Survey ba dirile study sa bone ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Ke ne ka nametsega pelo gore study se ba se dirileng, se ne sa akaretsa lefatshe la Botswana.
Ke a leboga.

MR MOSWAANE: Ke raya mo go 70 per cent total ya banana ba lefatshe leno gore o e tsaya kae?

Bone ke 70 per cent of the population.

E ya 164 000 o e tsaya kae?

Do you believe it gore is correct fa banana ba le 70 per cent mo palong ya population?

MR SPEAKER: The Minister has just given you where he got these figures from.
NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF COVID-19 ON SMMES MR T. LETSHOLO (KANYE NORTH): asked the Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry to apprise this Honourable House on the hardships faced by small, micro and medium sized citizen enterprises in Botswana as a result of the negative impact of COVID-19.

MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND leboga INDUSTRY Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke leboge Motlotlegi Rre Letsholo.

Potso e ke dikile ke e arabile (MR KGAFELA): Ke a ngogola.
E ne e patilwe ke ya bobedi e e neng e bua ka Motion wa go tlhomamisa gore ditiro tsa Puso le makalana a Puso tse di jang P10 million go ya kwa tlase, go tlhomame gore di fiwa dikompone tsa Batswana.

Ke gopola gore ntlhana ya bobedi e e neng e amana le Motion oo, ke yone e e neng e sa kgotsofatsa batlotlegi.

Ntlhana ya ntlha ke yone e e mo Order Paper e ke e bodiwang ka se sebaka se.

Ke ne ka e araba ka botlalo.


Ke tlaa e boelela Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente ke re, ka thuso ya badirelapuso e ke e lebogelang go menagane gantsi, ke boammaaruri gore COVID-19 e dikile e tsentse dikgwebo potlana tsa Batswana ka fa tlase ga kgatelelo ya letlhoko.

Nngwe ya dilo tse di neng tsa diragala ke gore, ba le bantsi ba ne ba amega segolo jang in the tourism industry.

Ba ne ba iphitlhela cancelling bookings tsa bone ka bontsi.
Bontsi jwa tsa tourism industry o fitlhela di tsamaelana le nno ya wine and other beverages jalo.

Ba ne ba tsena ka fa kgatelelong ya gore ga di tlhole di rekisiwa mo madirelong a bone.

Se se ne sa baka gore ka ba ne ba setse ba rekile stock, ba bo ba tsena ka fa tlase ga leru le lentsho.
Nngwe ya dilo tse di neng di gatelela boradikgwebo le bommadikgwebo e ne e le gore in a manufacturing sector, e e leng gore bontsi jwa yone e ikaegile ka tse di tswang kwa ntle ga lefatshe segolo jang kwa Aferika Borwa, ba ne ba iphitlhela ba na le tlhaelo ya raw materials le inputs gore ba kgone go tswelela pele ka their manufacturing business.
Le business fela throughout the country e ne e le kwa tlase ka mabaka a thibelo ya metsamao le tse dingwe tse di neng di tsentswe mo tirisong tsa go leka go itsa kanamo ya bolwetse jo jwa COVID-19.

Ditshenyegelo tsa go tsamaisa dikgwebo di ne di ntse di tsweletse pele di ba apere mme go sena letseno le le tsenang le le ka kgonang gore le tlhokomele ditshenyegelo tse.
Operation costs di ne di tsaya kwa godimo ka mabaka a gore go ne go tshwanetse ga tsenngwa mo tirisong tse di thibelang kanamo ya bolwetse tse di tshwanang le bo theko ya didirisiwa tse di tshwanang le bo protective clothing le to comply with the requirements tse di neng di beilwe pele kwa madirelong.

Go ne ga tlhatlosa ditshenyegelo tsa go tsamaisa dikompone kana madirelo a bagwebi ba ba botlana ba Batswana.

Bontsi jwa bagwebi ba ne ba tlhokana le spare parts tsa machines.
Kana machines ka botsone re a itse gore bontsi jwa tsone ga di yo mo Botswana, di tsewa kwa ntle ga mafatshe.

Dingwe di tla ka dikepe jalo le jalo.

Bolwetse jo bo ne jwa baka gore ba se ka ba di amogela ka nako, tse dingwe e bile ba se ka ba di amogela gotlhelele.

Ke 3 Hansard No 205Tuesday 8th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER tsone dilo tse di neng di apesitse bagwebi potlana ba Botswana leru le lentsho.

Se se ne sa baka gore bangwe ba bone ba fokotse dioura tse ba neng ba dira ka tsone.
Se se ne sa baka gore go nne le tatlhegelo ya letseno e ntsi fela thata e baka le gore tshegetso ya malwapa e bo e simolola e reketla ka tlhaelo ya letseno le.

Mma ke supe Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente le motlotlegi gore lekalana le la Local Enterprise Authority kana LEA le na le ba e leng gore ke clients kana customers tsa bone ba ba amanang le bojanala ba ka tshwara lekgolo dikhutlong tse nne tsa lefatshe la Botswana.
Bontsi jwa bone gongwe ba ba ka tshwarang masome a a ferang bobedi le boferabongwe ba itebagantse segolo jang le neelo ya boroko mme go na le ba bangwe ba ba ka tshwarang lesome le motso ba ba itebagantseng le se go bidiwang gotwe mobile safaris.

Gape ke travel agents, as well as transfer business operators.
Ke tlhalose gore e rile fa leroborobo le le re tsentse ka fa tlase ga mogote, ba ba neelang boroko ba le masome a mabedi le bobedi, ba ne ba felela ba tshwanelwa ke go tswala madirelo a bone gotlhelele.

In other words, 22 out of the 89 ba ne ba tlamega gore ba tswale madirelo a bone.

Travel agents, mobile safaris le transfer agents; ba le supa out of 11, le bone ba ne ba tlamega gore ba name ba seegetse fa thoko ditirelo tsa bone, se se neng sa ba tsenya ka fa tlase ga leru le lentsho.
Ke supe gore go tlogeng fela fa COVID e simolola e re tlhasela, clients tsa LEA di le 54 ba e leng gore they are in the tourism sector, ba ne ba tshwanelwa ke to cancel bookings tsa bone di ka tshwara 1,817.

Fa re di sekaseka ka madi, madi a teng a ka tshwara didikadike di le tlhano le dikete di le makgolo a marataro tsa Dipula tse e leng tatlhegelo ya madi ka mabaka a cancellations tse ke buang ka tsone tse.

Fa ke bua ka the agricultural sector, bone ga ba a ka ba kokonelwa jaaka ba bangwe.
Le fa ntswa ba sa kokonelwa ka bokete jo ba bangwe ba kokonetsweng ka jone, le bone ba ne ba nna le ditatlhegelo tse di neng di bakwa ke COVID-19, segolo jang tse di neng di bakwa ke gore batho ba bo ba tlhokafala e bo e le gore leaves tsa kutlobotlhoko (bereavement leaves) di bo di nna ditelele.

Ke supe gape gore dikgwebo potlana tsa Batswana tse di neng di gateletswe tse, dingwe tsa tsone di ne di kolota dibanka.
Ba ne ba wela mo mathateng a matona a go aperwa ke bothata jwa gore ba palelwe ke go duela dikoloto tse.

Fa godimo ga moo, bangwe ba bone ka mabaka a dikoloto tse e bo e le gore jaanong ga ba kgone go fitlhelela kana to access the Industry Support Facility e e neng e le teng.

Ke tlhalose gore State of Emergency (SoE), melawana ya teng kana e ne ya thibela go ntshiwa mo meberekong ga batho.
Ke tlhalose gore le fa ntswa e ne ya thibela go ntshiwa ga batho mo ditirong, se se ne sa se ka sa thibela go kokonelwa ga dikgwebo ga mmogo le ba ba neng ba di direla.

Fa ke tla kwa bokhutlong ke tlhalose gore LEA e tsweletse pele e berekabereka le bone ba dikgwebo potlana go leka gore e thuse gore fa go ntse go na le botlhabetsi jo bo runyang jo e leng gore bo na le modi wa jone mo bolwetseng jo jwa COVID-19 e bo e ntse e thusa gore e ba tshegetse.
E dira se ka gore e ba tsenye mo dithutong kana mentor or coach them mme e bile gape e tsoma mebaraka e e leng gore ba kgona gore ba rekisetse dithoto tsa bone kwa go yone.

E kgotlakgotla le bone ba e leng gore ke suppliers e bo e le letlafatsa le bone ba e leng gore ba a kolotiwa gore ba se ka ba gobelela bagwebi potlana ba e leng gore ba tsene ka fa tlase ga tshokolo e. E bile gape it retools bagwebi ba gore ba kgone go tsena into a competitive level.
Re rotloetsa gape le tiriso ya e-commerce Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke re ka a kalo, ke tsaya gore ke atlaatlile kgang e. Ke tlaa emela supplementaries fa di le teng.

MR LETSHOLO: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo mme e bile ke lebogela Tona go bo a arabile potso ka botswapelo jo bo kana.
Ke ne ke re ke tlhole gore a Tona mme o lemoga gore ntswa mananeo a ne a le teng a a neng a leka gore bagwebi potlana ba se ka ba kokonelwa thata ke bokete jwa leroborobo la Corona, mme mananeo ao a ne a ketefalela bagwebi potlana ba?

Ke batla go mo fa dikai tse tharo fela tse ke batlang a ntlhalosetsa gore a o itse gore diemo tseo di teng mme fa e le gore o a itse, a o dumalana le gore go bo go ntse jalo kana go na le maikaelelo a go baakanya diemo tseo?
Potso ya ntlha ke gore a Tona o itse gore go na le beng ba marekisetso a matona mo gotweng supermarkets ba e leng gore bone jaanong ba ikemiseditse gore ba tlaa ya temong go lema ditamati le merogo mme ba tseele bagwebi potlana gore ba ka rekisa ditamati le ditapole fela jalo?

Jaanong go raya gore ba a itemela e bile ke bone ba ithekisetsang mme ka jalo ba ama bagwebi potlana.
4 Hansard No 205Tuesday 8th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Sa bobedi gongwe ke botse gore a o itse gore ba gotweng wholesales kana ba marekisetso a matona ba ba tshwanetseng gore e nne bone ba ba rekisetsang ba marekisetso, jaanong le bone bangwe ba simolotse gore ba tsene mo go nneng le dishopo kana bottle stores?

Ke gore jaanong ba ithekisetsa majalwa, ba ragela kwa kgakala Batswana ba e leng gore bone ke bagwebi ba ba botlana.
Go raya gore ga ba sa tlhole ba kgona go bona gore ba ka nna le bottle stores ka gore bone (wholesalers) ba na le madi a mantsi le bokete jwa mmele go ka tsena thata mo dikgwebong tseo.

Sa bofelo ke botsa Tona gape gore fa re ntse re le gone fa mo go ba supermarkets, o a itse gore bangwe ba bone jaanong ba tsene mo go itireleng; ba ikapeela marotho mo e leng gore re ne re tsere gore e tlaa nna ga bagwebi ba babotlana?

Jaanong ba a itirela, go raya gore ba kubetsa bagwebi ba ba botlana.
E nna bone ba ba jang kana ba bonang mosola mo mananeong a a Puso.

Se ke leka fela gore Tona a re tlhalosetse gore fa re lebelela specifics jaanong, a mme gone go bonala gore bagwebi ba ba botlana ba bone thuso kana e bile ba nne le tsholofelo go ya pele go tswa mo leroborobong la Corona?

Tanki Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo.


MR KGAFELA: Bontsi jwa tse motlotlegi a di buang ke tse di setseng di gorogile ka ditsebe tsa me mme ga ke ise ke tlhome tlhotlhomiso e e tseneletseng e e ka rurifatsang gore diemo di ntse jaaka motlotlegi a di bua mme ke sa mo ganetse.
Fela se e leng gore ke eta ke se emela ka dinao motlotlegi ke gore ke aga ke roma kana ke kopa badiri ba Consumer Authority gore… fa o lebile melawana e e ba tsamaisang go na le ditshetlana tse di ba fang thata ya gore fa go nang le bogwebi jo e leng gore bo a jabetsa teng, bo supa gore motho a le mongwe e tlaa nna dimo kana e tlaa nna moikgagapeleli wa sengwe le sengwe, e bo e le gore ba a mo sekaseka gore selo seo ba kgone go se kgalema.
Molao wa teng ke tlhalose fela gore ga o bonolo, le bone tota fela badiri ba teng e nna e re fa ke ba supegetsa ka mo ke o tlhaloganyang ka teng, golo gongwe e bo e le gore ba ka tswa ba sa dumalane le nna, ba sa tlhomamise gore a go na le jabetso kana molao ka mo o kwadilweng ka teng o itsa se gotweng mogwebi o motona o go ngongoregiwang ka ene a o a mo itsa gore a se dire.
Jaanong ke re ga se selo se ke sa se itseng, ga ke gopole gore the terminology, a ke yone vertical integration, o kare ke yone e ke utlwang e ntse e dirisiwa ka fa molaong wa teng, gore e bo e le gore tota fa gare fa ga go na ope yo e leng gore o ja sepe; o a itemela, package for yourself, o bo o boa o ithekisetsa.
Mme fela kana molawana wa maloba re o tlisa wa Economic Inclusion maikaelelo mangwe a one ke gore, this chain e bo e le gore e a kgaolwa, gore fa gare fa e bo e le gore mogwebi yo o nang le kgwetlho kana o a tlamega, gore a simolole to accommodate ba bangwe ba ba tshwanetseng ba tsosiwa.

E bo e le gore jaanong ga a iphitlhele e le gore he/she occupies the entire spectrum, go simologa fela kwa temong fa e simololang teng go tsena to the plate kwa lelwapeng.

Ke ne ke re ke a go utlwa.


Wholesales likewise, eo kana re ne ra e tlhatswa sentle fa e le gore ke go utlwa sentle gore o e amanya thata le thekiso ya majalwa jalo.

Yone re ne ra fetisa molao if I can recall, wa gore wholesales go papame gore ba se ka ba tlhola ba rekisetsa individuals majalwa, ba rekisetse bagwebi ba bangwe majalwa.

Kana le yone eo re na le mathata a gore le fa ntse e le gore re alafile ya wholesales, ga re a alafa ya bottle stores.
Bottle stores le tsone di teng tse di supiwang ka monwana gore ke megobagoba, they occupy space dikhutlong tse nne tsa Botswana, gongwe le gongwe.

Ba ba botlana ga go na gope fa ba ntshang tlhogo teng.

Mme fela e ne ya re ngwaga o a go fela ke bo ke kopa, tota ke ne ke kopile Mothusa Tona ka nako eo, Rre Molebatsi, ke tsaya gore dingwe di ne tsa tsena fa gare gore a se ka a e wetsa, ke mo kopile gore simolola dipuisanyo le ba bottle stores.
Ka gore le bone ba supiwa ka monwana gore ka mo ba gwebang ka teng ga ba fe ba bangwe phatlha ya gore le bone ba ntshe ditlhogo.

Le yone re tlaa e sala morago.

Ya marotho, supermarkets, jaaka ke tlhalositse gore ke araba ka thuso ya badirelapuso, e ke e lebogelang, ga ke na details.

Ke gakologelwa fela gore we have dealt with this before, mme fela mma ke se ka ka itlama ka karabo e e leng gore mo go se sebaka my memory is very shaky on issue ya marotho sir.

Mme fela the overall concept ke a e utlwa.


Thank you sir.

MR KEORAPETSE: Further Supplementary Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Minister, ke ne ke re a o na le dipalo tse o ka re di neelang tsa dikgwebo tse di amilweng ke COVID-19?

Gongwe o lebeletse gore palo ya liquidations e nnile kae, ya foreclosures le dikgwebo tse di paletsweng ke go shafatsa licences tsa bone tse di tshwanetseng gore di shafadiwe ngwaga le ngwaga, give us an indication ya gore dikgwebo di ntse jang?
Dikgwebo di kae tse e leng gore gongwe ga di kgone go itshetela, how many are breaking even, how many have made losses, or are making losses?

Ke tsaya gore golo moo go ne go ka re fa a feel ya gore tota mme fela go ka tswa go diragetse eng.
5 Hansard No 205Tuesday 8th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Se sengwe ke gore, ga ke itse gore a o na le dipalo tse di supang gore sector nngwe le nngwe e ka tswa e amegile jang by percentage in terms of decline, gore mo tourism re bona go nnile le kwelotlase ya mofuta o and these are the indicators, re sa bue in general terms.

Do you have statistics kana dipalo tse di ka re kaetsang gore tota seemo se se ntse ka tsela e e ntseng jang?
Fa o tsaya gongwe kwa Companies and Intellectual Property Authority (CIPA), akere ngwaga le ngwaga go ikwadisetso ya dikgwebo, ke ba le kae ba ba paletsweng ke gore gongwe ba shafatse dikgwebo tsa bone?

Ya bofelo Tona ke gore kana fa o tsaya kgang e ya gore bangwe bagwebi ba ne ba tsaya advantage ya COVID-19 e le gore jaanong ba oketsa ditlhwatlhwa, mo e leng gore gone mo go ne ga ama dikgwebo tse di potlana tse di ikaegileng ka go reka mo go tse di kgolwane.
Mo mafatsheng a mangwe re ne re bona ba gagamaletswa phogwana gore ba bake, they were fined.

Jaanong kwano Competition Authority ya gago e dirile go le kae go sireletsa dikgwebo tse di potlana by fining ba ba neng ba oketsa ditlhwatlhwa ka nako ya COVID ba tsaya advantage, e le gore moo go baya not only dikgwebo tse di potlana ka fa mosing le bone Batswana go ba baya ka fa mosing?

Ke a leboga Tona.

MR KGAFELA: Ke leboge motlotlegi.


Ke re fa nne maybe ke filwe lesedi, ke babisitswe ditsebe tsa gore gongwe supplementary e ka nna ya batla numeric figures, ke ka bo ke kile ka roma badirelapuso gore ba ye go di nkepololela.

Fela ke re motlotlegi fa a ntetla ke tlaa kopa gore ke pege information on our website ya ministry, ka gore ga ke a tshola dikarabo tse jaaka ke ntse mo ofising ya me mo go se sebaka.
Ke di pege mo website mo nakong e e sa fedising pelo, ke bo ke mo itsise gore di pagame a tle a di bone, le setšhaba se tle se di bone.

Ke information e e leng gore ga se ope, ntle le gore e bo e le gore you are dealing with information ya teng on a regular basis, ga se ope yo e leng gore it can be at the tip of his fingers, e batla gore e ye go epololwa kwa the files ka boikokobetso motlotlegi.
Ke ne ke re o mphe sebaka seo, ke tlaa e pega mo website, ke bo ke go itsise gore e pagame mo website sir, ga ke a e tshola mo go se sebaka.
MAKORO RETAIL STORES PROJECT MR O. RAMOGAPI (PALAPYE): asked the Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry: (i) if he is aware that there is a tender for Makoro Retail Stores, to be funded by Botswana Investment and Trade Centre (BITC), Debswana, Botswana (BTC) and Telecommunications Corporation Morupule Coal Mine under the coordination of BITC and that the project was awarded a long time ago with all stakeholders making assurances that funds are available, however, the project is failing to commence; (ii) if the answer is in the affirmative, what is causing the delay; and (iii) to provide the timelines as to when the project will kick start as it hampers economic growth in Palapye.
MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR KGAFELA): Ke leboga Motlotlegi Rre Ramogapi.

Gape ka thuso ya badirelapuso e ke e lebogelang, karabo ya me ke gore ke itse ka Makoro retail market project e e neng ya sekwasekwa kana ya kabakabiwa ke Botswana Investment and Trade Centre (BITC) ka May 2017 ka fa tlase ga setlhogo sa PushaBW campaign.
Maikaelelo a yone kana e ne e le gore badiri potlana ba ba kwa Makoro, ba ba fa veterinary fence ya Makoro, e bo e le gore ba neelwa madirelo kana dikago tse ba ka direlang mo go tsone gore ba tswe ka fa tlase ga mekgele e ba nnang mo go yone le ditilo tse ba nnang mo go tsone mo letsatsing, diphefo le dirame tse di ba gatelelang gangwe le gape.

Re tlaa itse fela gore batsadi bao ba rekisa dijo tsa Setswana, maungo a e leng gore tota fela ke a Botswana.
Fela re itse gore bontsi jwa bone ke batho ba tota fela lefatshe la dikgwebo ga le a ka la ba amogela sentle, ke batho ba ba nang le kgatelelo nngwe segolo jang ka mabaka a gore e bo e le bomme.

Jaanong project e maikaelelo a yone gape e ne e le go ntlafatsa fa ba direlang teng, gore bahiti ba tsela e re fa ba eme fale ba kgone gore ba kgatlhegele go ba etela le go a go reka dilo tse ba di rekisang.
Maikaelelo gape e ne e le gore e tseye lefatshe la Botswana e le ise kwa godimo, le ipelagatse ka dithekiso tsa dithoto tse e leng gore ke tsa Botswana ga di tswe kwa ntle ga Botswana.
Ka bokhutshwane tota maikaelelo e ne e le gore re lefelo lele re le fetole, e nne lefelo le le ka bidiwang gotwe, “Makoro be turned into the home for local food.” Mme fela ke leboge gore BITC e ne ya thusiwa ka madi ke makalana a a tshwanang le Morupule Coal Mine, Debswana, Botswana Telecommunications Corporation (BTC) le Makoro Bricks, re ba leboga go menagane gantsi, ba thusitse ka madi.
Project e e ne e le gore e ya to be financed kana is financed ka madi a didikadike di le pedi le dikete di le makgolo a marataro a dipula (P2,6 million).

6 Hansard No 205Tuesday 8th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER E ne ya ntshiwa e le tender mme ya neelwa kompone ya Motswana gore e dire prefabricated structures di ferabobedi ka palo.

Kompone e kana e ne ya neelwa tiro e ka kgwedi ya Sedimonthole, ngwaga wa 2019.
Ke tshwanetse ka amogela gore go nnile le tiego e e neng e bakwa ke gore maikaelelo kwa tshimologong, e ne e le gore infrastructure e ya go nna fa thoko ga tsela, gone fa bomme ba leng teng.

Ya re fa re ntse re tsweletse pele, re bo re wela dingalo tsa gore ba Ministry of Transport and Communication ba bo ba supa gore molawana wa Public Roads Act, o a itsa gore go ka nna le any infrastructure on the road reserve.
Gape o ntse o supa gore le fa ntswa bomme bao ba ntse ba operate gone fa thoko ga tsela, in any case, le bone ba foo kwa ntle ga molao, le fa ntswa ba ise ba tseelwe dikgato tsa gore ba sute.

Re bo re nna le one mathata a gore jaanong lefatshe le re neng re le ikantse ga le tlhole le le teng.

Ga re kgone go baya shelters koo.

Re bo re simolola re sekseka, re buisana le land board ya Palapye re kopa lefatshe.
Ra leka go bua le bone ba transport go bona gore ba ka se ke ba waive that prohibition mme ba re latolela.

Ba land board ba re tswa thuso, ba felela ba re neetse lefatshe mme jaanong le kgakajana le fa bomme bale ba leng teng e bile le katogile tsela go sekaenyana.
Re bo re nna le letshwenyego la gore fa ba ka katoga go sekaenyana, go ka nna ga itsapisa mofeti wa tsela gore a ye kwa go bone, go ka nna ga nna kgakalanyana, e bile go ka nna ga ba bakela le bone gore le fa ntswa ba filwe that infrastructure, e bo e le gore jaanong ba a tswa ka gore ga ba bone kgwebo ka mabaka a bokgala, ba bo ba bowa ba atumela gape mo road reserve.
Mme fela land board e re file lefatshe, re ne ra dumalana gore le fa ntse re emetse gore kwa pheletsong, re ne ra tla ka tshwetso ya gore go tshwanetse ga agiwa tsela e e yang kwa infrastructures tseo, se se bidiwang gotwe access routes.

Jaanong re ne ra nna le kgwetlho ya gore re tlhaele madi a gore re dire yone that access route, re bo re simolola re buisana le ba Ministry wa Transport and Communication gore a ba ka se ka ba re akanyetsa go re thusa ka that access route.
Le fa ntswa access route e ise e dirwe gone mme re a tswelela pele ka go tlhoma the infrastructure.

Ke containers motlotlegi, tse e leng gore so far di le seven di setse di dirilwe, re setse ka e le nngwe e e leng gore ga e sena go nna e fediwa, re bo re simolola tiro ya gore re ye go di tlhoma.
They are prefabricated mme re belaela gore go ka re tsaya sebaka sa bo another six or eight months to go gore re bo re di tlhomile, e bo e le gore they are fully furnished, di bo di ka dirisiwa ke bone bagwebi bao.

Fa ke bua le Minister wa Transport, kana le ene he is subject to advice ya his officers.

O ne a supile keletso ya gore go sekwasekwe gore ba ka se ka ba re thusa.

Like I said, he is subject to advice.


Gongwe e ka nna ya re fa a ba sekaseka, ba mo thusa kwa ofising, ba bo ba mo raya ba re madi ao ga a yo, but not withstanding, re tlaa tlhoma the infrastructure Motlotlegi Ramogapi.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR MMOLOTSI: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Minister, kana tota golo fa fa e le gore this concept ya one Government e a bereka fela sentle, vision e le neng le na le yone ya go thusetsa batho fela fa thoko ga tsela gone fa Makoro, a mme ga o bone gore vision e fa nne le ka e share sentle, la nna fa fatshe la e lebisisana gore ba transport ba kgone go e tlhaloganya?
Ka fa ke itseng ka teng, le fa le ka dira an access road e e yang kwa madirelong ao, go ntse go ya go nna bokete gore batho ba khone ba tsenelela foo, ba ye go reka ka gore ba tsaya advantage ya go bona batho ba le fa thoko ga tsela ba bo ba reka.

This Government concept, ke eng e sa dire gore e bone dilo tse di tshwanang, di thuse batho ka fa re dumelang gore go ka ba berekela ka teng?

MR KGAFELA: Ke dumalana le motlotlegi ka botlalo gore we are one Government mme re Mmuso o o tsamaisiwang ka molao.
I must confess gore tsetlana e ba roads ba e buang ya Public Roads Act, ga ke ise ke e lebe, ka bona gore a e na le an exception to it, a e na le bokgoni jwa to be waived.

Ke concept e e neng e tla ka ba Botswana Investment and Trade Centre (BITC), tota fela ke ne ke tsaya information mo go bone thata, ba ne ba tlhalosa gore ba lekile, ba buisantse mme ba roads ba re le goka, not on the road reserve.
Jaanong kana concept ya road reserve, I am not an expert on that kind of engineering, go supa botlhokwa jwa yone gore e nne a road reserve, go se ka ga nna le sepe foo, ke eng sentlentle mme yone e teng.

Ke go utlwa sentle, le rona it is our concern gore fa re di katosa jaaka re di katosa jaana.

I do not think re na le choice e e kalokalo fa e le gore molao wa roads one wa re road reserve is a road reserve, nothing else on it.
Jaaka re di katositse, we know gore fa o di katosa di ka kgona gore e bo e le gore di discourage business to those people.

Fa ke ntse ke bolelelwa ke moalo o o akantsweng, ke 7 Hansard No 205Tuesday 8th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER o e leng gore tota fela fa ke utlwa, engineering ya teng will actually make it easy gore bafeti ba tsela e bo e le gore ba kgona gore ba eletse gore ba ikhutse foo, e bo e le gone jaanong ba rekang tse ba eletsang gore ba a di bona being displayed ke bomme ba.
Otherwise, I do not dispute the concept of one Government.

Ke a leboga.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, ke ne ke kopa procedure in terms of Standing Order 40.7.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Ramogapi.

MR RAMOGAPI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke ne ke kopa procedure in terms of Standing Order 40.7.

MR SPEAKER: E amana jang le dipotso?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: E a amana sir.

MR SPEAKER: Ee, mma re e utlwe.

MR KEORAPETSE: Procedure.


Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re kana in terms of Standing Order 40.7, “no questions shall be asked later than 45 minutes.

Jaanong ke ne ke kopa gore ka gore re na le a clear day mme go lebega go na le dipotso di le mmalwanyana mo Order Paper, a re ka se ke re suspend Standing Order 40.7, to allow specifically for answering of questions tse di mo Order Paper gompieno?

Just for that we do not just waste nako ya teng by ending business at 1445 hours.

Ke kopa jalo Mr Speaker.


MR SPEAKER: Eo Honourable Keorapetse ke ya lona, that is why ke ne ke re e amana kae le dipotso.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke a mo tlatsa Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Ramogapi.

MR RAMOGAPI: Ba ba ka ntebatsa le se ke neng ke re ke a se botsa.

Tona, mma ke go leboge thata rra, o mphile karabo e e tseneletseng, e ke tsayang gore babotsi ba yone kwa gae gongwe e tlaa ba kgotsofatsa fale le fale.
Ke botse jaana Mr Speaker; a Tona o a itse gore e re ntswa a re ba Ministry wa Ditsela ba re go se ka ga agiwa sepe mo ditseleng mme one o ne o agile dikago, right fa gare e bile e seng kwa thoko, ba dirile kago e tona ya gate gone fa Makoro fale?

Kago e nngwe ya bobedi e tona e e neng e dirilwe ke bone ba ministry one o e bile e santse e le teng, ke e e kwa Dibete.
A mme e tshwanetse gore fa go tla ministries tse dingwe, ke gone jaanong ba bo ba batla gore ba re nnyaa ga go a tshwanela gore go ka agiwa kago gone foo?

E bile mo go ya gago Honourable Minister, e ne e le botoka ka gore it is a temporary structure.

Ya bone e ne e le structure se se agilweng ka face brick, se teng le kwa Dibete gompieno jaana, le kwa Makoro se ntse se le teng.

A o a itse ka kgang e mo re go bitsang re re ke double standard by the ministry, o e leng gore ga o batle ditlhabololo rraetsho?
Potso ya bobedi ke gore; mme rraetsho, re bolelele gore tota sentlentle, wa re le tlaa kgona go fetsa leng?

Fa nne o ka re fa timelines ka gore batho golo fale ba a sokola, ba batla go dira kgwebo.

Ya boraro; kana go ntse go dirwa waivers, ke tlaa go fa sekai se sengwe fela sa bofelo.

Kwa kgaolong ya gago kwa Mochudi maabane fela jaana, go ne go dirwa waiver ka kago e go neng gotwe e bapile le tsela ya Mochudi Wholesalers.
Batlotlegi Makhanselara ba file waiver ba a fa kago eo license gore a go tswelele.

Jaanong ke eng go tlaa bogisiwa Ramogapi fela kwa Palapye?

Ao!

batho ba Modimo, nnyaa, a ko le akanye sentle, dikago tseo di se ka tsa ya kgakala, di kgone go thusa batho.

Ke a leboga Honourable Minister.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Keorapetse, to follow is timed out.

You are an old member of this House, you know what you should do if you want to suspend any Standing Order.
Jaanong fa re ka ba ra itaya 45 minutes, you will then be timed out.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Kopa 130.1 Sticks.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Member, move a Motion for the suspension if that Standing Order, o tswe mo dilong tse di ntsi.

MR KEORAPETSE: Mr Speaker, I beg to move that we suspend Standing Order 40.7 for today.

This is to allow for answering of the remaining questions.

Question put and agreed to.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O kgonne Sticks?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kgonne, mme ga kena potso mo teng.
MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister, you have heard the supplementary from Honourable Ramogapi.

8 Hansard No 205Tuesday 8th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MR KGAFELA: Ee rra.

Ke ne ke re ke tlhalose gore, the double standard e motlotlegi a e supang, I can neither admit nor deny ka gone gore kana o mpha an allegation e ke iseng ke e tlhotlhomise.

Jaanong ga ke itse gore a go na le kago ya sennela ruri within the recruit reserve kwa Makoro ya facebrick e e agilweng ke ba road.
That is why ke re I can neither admit nor deny se e leng gore o a se bua.

Sa bobedi ke re, kana molao o montsi motlotlegi; o montsi jaaka motlhaba wa lewatle.

Ga go na ope yo e leng gore ke modiri wa molao yo o ka o itseng otlhe ka nako e le nngwe.

Re a o boledisa rotlhe, e bile ga go na ope yo o itseng otlhe, re e a o boledisa, bangwe re o boela kgakala, bangwe re o boela gaufi.

Jaanong ga ke ise ke sekaseke molao o wa Public Roads Act gore a o na le provision ya exemption.
Fela fa o dira comparison jaaka ke utlwa o e dira, or a contrast jaaka o e dira le building ya kwa Mochudi, with due respect, it is an unfair contrast ka gore kana tse tsa dikago, at least tseo ke a gakologelwa because di wela ka fa tlase ga Building Control Act e e leng gore melawana yotlhe that governs gore building e agiwa jang le jang, e wela ka fa tlase ga regulations.
Jaanong fa o lebelela Section 9 ya Building Control Act, e fa Tona dithata tsa gore fa go nang le tlhojo ya regulations teng, fa e leng gore insistence on strict compliance le regulations go unreasonable, e fa Tona dithata tsa to waive.

So the power to waive is there, ga ke sure gore a council e na le a similar power to waive, mme fela ke itse gore regulations tse tsa dikago are subject to the power to waive.

So I cannot immediately make a contrast between tsone le tsa molawana wa Public Road Act.
Ke tsaya gore Rre Segokgo ke ene a ka o arabelang go mpheta.

Fela fa motlotlegi a ne a kile a ntsibosa gore o tlaa botsa potso ya mofuta o, ke ka bo ke kile ka o lebelela ke bo ke kgona gore ke mo fe a proper answer ya gone gore a mme go na le exemption provision or not.

Se ke se itseng ka thuso ya badirelapuso e e leng gore ke e ikantse, ke gore gatwe nnyaa, roads e rile le go ka, ga go ka ke ga tlhongwa sepe on that road reserve.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
AMOUNTS DISBURSED TO ASSIST GBV VICTIMS MR D. SALESHANDO (MAUN WEST): asked the Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs to state: (i) the amounts disbursed by her ministry in the last three financial years to assist organisations that provide safe homes for victims of Gender Based Violence (GBV); (ii) amounts availed to each organisation assisted and if the amounts are adequate compared to the rising numbers in GBV; and (iii) if the amounts have been found to be inadequate, how does she plan to address the shortfall.
MINISTER OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRS (MS MOKGETHI): Thank you so much Mr Speaker.

I just want to give a warning that my internet is not very stable.

So, if it disappears, then you will know the challenge I am facing.
Mr Speaker, Government has been providing annual financial support through the Ministry of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs to Botswana Gender Based Violence Prevention and Support Centre (previously known as Kagisano Society Women’s Shelter) in Gaborone and Women Against Rape (WAR) in Maun.

Botswana Gender Based Violence Prevention and Support Centre (BGBVC) runs four shelters in Gaborone and two in Francistown, whilst Women Against Rape operates one shelter in Maun.
Mr Speaker, for the past three financial years, my ministry disbursed a total of P5 053 869.20 to support the two shelters.

The support has been as follows; (a) 2018/2019: Botswana Gender Based Violence Prevention and Support Centre - P500 000.00 and Women Against Rape - P250 000.00.

(b) 2019/2020: Botswana Gender Based Violence Prevention and Support Centre - P514 889.20 and Women Against Rape - P250 000.00.
(c) 2020/2021: Botswana Gender Based Violence Prevention and Support Centre; P3 048 980.00) and Women Against Rape - P490 000.00.

Mr Speaker, it is important to highlight that prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, the Botswana Gender Based Violence Prevention and Support Centre and Women Against Rape were allocated a total P500 000.00 and P250 000.00 per annum respectively.
Noting that the country needed more places of safety at the break of the COVID-19, the ministry reviewed the support to shelters and increased it six times for 9 Hansard No 205Tuesday 8th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Botswana Gender Based Violence Prevention and Support Centre in Gaborone, whilst it was doubled for Women Against Rape.

This allowed shelters to open more facilities to house GBV survivors.
Mr Speaker, I must hasten to acknowledge that funds allocated to the shelters are not adequate considering the increasing incidences of GBV which are exacerbated by the COVID-19 pandemic.

I note that shelters need increased Government support, and my ministry will continue to consider ways and means through which such support could be sourced.

It is important to inform this House that my ministry recently completed a Feasibility Study on Establishment and Strengthening of Safe Havens.
Findings and Recommendations of the Study are still being considered to inform Government on the appropriate mode to adopt.

I believe this will to a large extent, facilitate Government in providing improved GBV services to survivors including housing victims.
Mr Speaker, let me conclude by expressing my profound appreciation to the Civil Society including Botswana Gender Based Violence Prevention and Support Centre as well as Women Against Rape for the sacrifice and commitment they made during the COVID-19 pandemic to provide services on-line.

Their contribution to fighting COVID-19 and its consequences Mr Speaker is immeasurable and this House needs to equally commend them.

Mr Speaker, this House needs to note that GBV is not a Government challenge alone.
The GBV response requires concerted effort by all players including Members of Parliament.

I would therefore, like to urge Honourable Members of this House to support Government through mobilising resources to address GBV in their constituencies.

Let us remember that peace in the home births peace in the nation and ultimately in the world, hence the need for Honourable Members to support Government in providing peace at household their constituencies.

I thank you Mr Speaker.


level in MR SALESHANDO: Supplementary.

Mr Speaker, ke na le dipotso tse pedi tse ke di botsang Tona.

Potso ya ntlha ke gore, fa o ne o bone go tlhokafala gore o okeletse one centre which operates in Gaborone le Francistown madi a bone P640, o a increase six times, the one which operates in Maun ya Women Against Rape (WAR), ke eng o ne o bone yone e sa tlhokafale gore o okelediwe 10 ka bokete jo bo kalo?
You only chose to double it, mme re ntse re itse gore it covers districts tse di mmalwa, go tswa mo North West kwa Maun, e cover bo Gantsi, Shakawe le Chobe, e bile dilo di tura kwa dikgaolong tsone tseo go na le mo Gaborone?

What informed gore yone ga e tlhoke go okelediwa ka bokete jo o neng o okeletsa tse dingwe mo Gaborone?
Potso ya bobedi, report e o buang ka yone e o reng e ne ya dirwa, le santse le e sekaseka, o kile wa bolelela Palamente e gore le amogetse report e ka March 2021, e fetsa ngwaga report eo ya gore go ka thusiwa jang ka dikgang tsa GBV, mme wa re le ntse le a e sekaseka.

A se se supa go tlhoafala gore mo dikgannyeng tsa GBV, Motswana o kare e tsentse tlhako kgamelong?
A le raya gore le ka nna le report e le e beileng pele, e e ka fetsang ngwaga, full 12 months, e le fa pele ga lona le re le santse le e sekaseka, mme batho ba le mo mathateng ka dikgang tsa GBV le sa tseye ditshwetso?

MS MOKGETHI: Thank you Mr Speaker.

I think Honourable Saleshando will have noted from the answer that I gave to the first question that, the Botswana Gender-Based Violence Prevention and Support Centre opened a significant number of shelters.
If you have listened to the answer Honourable Member of Parliament from Maun, you will note that we have increased it six times because the centres have now increased.

We only had two centres, now there are six for this particular centre, and hence why the financial assistance increased six fold.

This centre opened other two centres in Francistown as well.
If you are going to compare the regions which these two shelters cover, you will see that the shelter called Botswana Gender-Based Violence Prevention and Support Centre covers great significant areas in Botswana, whereas WAR Centre just covers the North West District and it only has two shelters, hence why the support increased double.

I just want to indicate that the support that has been given is proportionate to the number of shelters that these two institutions are running.
I would say Mr Speaker, that there has been significant commitment on the part of my ministry in assisting these two shelters.

Mr Speaker, in fact I made a mistake by saying WAR has two shelters, they have only one shelter in Maun, whereas the support that the ministry gave to them has significantly increased, and double fold assistance has been given to them.
It must be noted that once we received the report in March 2021, we had to carry out wide consultation Hansard No 205Tuesday 8th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER because the issue of GBV is multi-sectoral and multi- stakeholder, and hence we had to engage all the relevant stakeholders in this issue of, here is the report, what do you think needs to be done?

So it is not just centered on the decision which this ministry can hurriedly make but it involves multi power stakeholders.
I thank you Mr Speaker.

DR MATSHEKA: Supplementary.

Ke lebogele potso e e boditsweng e. Ke botse Minister gore kana e ne ya re mo nakong e e fetileng, Palamente e ya dumalana ka Inter-Ministerial Committee on GBV.

Ke tsaya gore gongwe e tlaare mo nakong e e tlang, Minister a kgone go re begela gore e tsamaya jang.
Potso ya me ke go batla go itse mo go Minister gore mo karabong ya ga Motlotlegi Rre Saleshando, o e kopanya jang le tiro e ba e tshwereng kwa Inter-Ministerial Committee gore re kgone go bona gore tlhoafalo e Palamente e neng e e dira ka go tlisa tumalano eo, tota e tsweletse, e leka go fema seemo se re buang ka sone sa kgokgontsho ya bong mo setšhabeng?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MS MOKGETHI: Thank you Mr Speaker.

The Inter- Ministerial Committee is proceeding well with its work.
What has been undertaken now is training of the various people in the Inter-Ministerial Committee.

First we had the training of the experts or the technical committee.

Those are the people who are drawn from the media, Non-Governmental Organisations (NGOs), development partners, Faith Based Organisations (FBOs) and so on and so forth.

Then there was training of Permanent Secretaries (PSs) for the six ministries.
Following that Mr Speaker, this past weekend starting from Friday afternoon up to Saturday afternoon, we had training of Ministers and some Assistant Ministers at Big Valley Lodge, just after your constituency Honourable Matsheka.

The work of the Inter-Ministerial Committee is ongoing and we are still to coordinate the GBV response.
We are still in the process of doing capacity building for the Inter-Ministerial Committee after which the work of the committee will be coordinated and we will pronounce the response at the relevant time.

I thank you Mr Speaker.


SPECIAL DUTY ALLOWANCE AT BOTSWANA PRISONS SERVICE MR B. MATHOOTHE (SEROWE NORTH): asked the Minister of Defence, Justice and Security: (i) why officers below rank of Senior Superintendent at Botswana Prisons Service (BPS) are not paid Special Duty Allowance as stated in the BPS White Paper of 2020-2021; and the (ii) if he is aware that those officers perform such special duties from the day an accused person is charged with murder until the day of execution.
MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITY (MR MMUSI): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Good afternoon Honourable Mathoothe.

Mapalamente a a tlotlegang, mma ke le dumedise mo tshokologong ya letsatsi leno.

(i) Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, badiri ba Lephata la Dikgolegelo ba maemo a a kwa tlase ga Senior Superintendent, ga ba duelwe dikatso tsa tiro e e faphegileng jaaka go supilwe mo Pampiring ya Dituelo tsa Badiri ba Lephata la Dikgolegelo ya ngwaga wa 2020/2021.
Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, badiri ba ga ba duelwe dikatso tse di faphegileng tse ka ntlha ya gore, di lebane fela badiri ba ba diragatsang katlholo mo badira- melatong ba ba atlholetsweng leso.
Ka jalo, badiri ba maemo a Senior Superintendent le a magolwane, ke bone fela ba ba filweng boikarabelo jwa go diragatsa katlholo e e masisi e. (ii) Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, badiri ba maemo a a kwa tlase ga a Senior Superintendent, ba dira tiro ya letsatsi le letsatsi ya go disa le go tlhokomela magolegwa, go akaretsa le ba ba emetseng dikatlholo tsa bone tsa melato ya polao le botlhe ba ba setseng ba atlholetswe leso.
Le fa go ntse jalo, badiri ba ga ba fiwe boikarabelo jwa go diragatsa tiro e e masisi ya katlholelo leso.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR MATHOOTHE: Supplementary.

Ke go botse Tona gore, badiri ba a ba a tle ba neelwe tshidilo maikutlo (counselling) mabapi le tiro e e masisi e ba tlaabong ba e tshwere.

MR MMUSI: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mopalamente yo o tlotlegang, batho botlhe ba ba dirang tiro e, fela fa e fetsa go diragala, ba ya counselling rraetsho, gore ba ye go sidilwa maikutlo.
Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
COMPENSATION FOR DISANA COMMUNITY MR G. KEKGONEGILE (MAUN EAST): asked the Minister of Transport and Communications to state progress in paying the Disana community their compensation for relocation to give way to the expansion of Maun International Airport, and in particular: 11 Hansard No 205Tuesday 8th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER (i) clarify when the relocation took place and if the Disana Community was compensated; (ii) the number of persons who have been compensated against those who are eligible for compensation respectively; (iii) when the compensation exercise will be completed; (iv) if Government will pay interest accruing from outstanding payments to individuals and at what rate or percentage; (v) how much has Government paid so far; and (vi) how much Government is anticipating to pay as interest.
OF MINISTER AND COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

TRANSPORT (i) Mr Speaker, the residents who gave way to the expansion of Maun International Airport started relocating to Disana Ward in the year 2007 following assessment of their properties.

The residents were compensated, however it has since been established that there are some who were not adequately compensated, while others had not been compensated at all.
Hence my ministry, in conjunction with the Ministry of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services assisted by the Ministry of Finance and Economic Development are working on verification of the assessed properties amounts to enable the process of compensation.

(ii) Mr Speaker, on 9th December, 2019, I gave this Honourable House the figures of the audit that was conducted in 2018 as 1039 and 1009 for persons eligible for compensation and those that were compensated respectively.
My ministry has since conducted another comprehensive reconciliation exercise in 2021 which is currently being audited by the Auditor General’s office.

The reconciliation exercise has since established that 1453 persons have been compensated against a total 1482 persons eligible for compensation.

29 persons out of the 1482 are yet to be compensated.

(iii) Mr Speaker, as already mentioned, there is an ongoing exercise aimed at ensuring that correct compensations are made.
I wish to complete 12 the compensation exercise as soon as possible, preferably before the end of the first quarter of the financial year 2022/2023.

(iv) Mr Speaker, the Government is committed to pay any amount that the audit would establish as owing to the residents, including interest thereof.

(v) Mr Speaker, the Government has so far paid an amount of P82,378,372.59 as compensation to the Disana community.
(vi) Mr Speaker, I will only be in a position to state the interest amount after the completion of the exercise.

I believe the ongoing audit will bring this matter to finality.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR KEKGONEGILE: Supplementary.

Tanki Mr Speaker.

Mma re lebogele karabo Tona.

Tona, a o raya batho ba Disaneng o re ka June 2022, o tlaabo o setse o ba duetse.

Kana that is the first quarter, a ke yone deadline e o e iphang?
Sa bobedi, Tona go na le dikgang tse dintsi kwa Disaneng, batho ba tshwere maina a le 1534 a gotweng a tswa kwa ofising ya gago.

A o itse sengwe ka maina a, fa e le gore o itse sengwe ka one le a tsamaisitse ka tsela e e ntseng jang gore a ye go goroga kwa Kgotleng ya Disaneng.

A ka fa le a tsamaisitseng ka teng, a le bona the communication channel e ne e le yone?
Sa bofelo Tona batho ba ba 1534, ba maina a bone a leng kwa Disaneng gatwe ba ye go bula accounts, ba tlise accounts kwa ministry wa gago, go sianwa lebaibai kwa Maun.

Potso ke gore, ba ba sa berekeng o bona o ba direla sentle, ba ya to maintain accounts tse ka eng go fitlhelela June gompieno re le mo go February?

A ga o bone o direla batho dikoloto tsa bank charges le tse dingwe fela jalo?
Ba e leng gore accounts tsa bone di tlaabo di tswetswe ka June, o ya go kgona go ba duela ka tsela e e ntseng jang, given gore Goromente a re go simolola ka 1st April batho ba tlaabo ba sa tlhole ba duelwa ka cheques.

Tanki Speaker.

MR SEGOKGO: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Golo gongwe ke itiretse phoso ka se ka ka kgona gore ke di kwale tsotlhe, di ne tsa nna motseletsele wa dipotso.
Legale mma ke simolole ka e a neng a botsa gore a ke deadline, maikaelelo ke gore re bo re duetse by the first quarter ya financial year e re simololang mo go yone, e ke e amogelang gore e fela ka June 2022.

Ke one maikaelelo.

Hansard No 205Tuesday 8th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Ya bobedi ya dikwalo tse di isitsweng kwa Maun, go boammaaruri gore lephata la me le ne la ntsibosa gore ka go ipaakanyetsa gore re tle re kgone gore re duele ba ba tlaabong ba duelwa, ba ne ba isa maina a koo.
Ba kopa gore re rurifalediwe information kana dingwe tsa one maina ao; bo Omang le gore a ba na le accounts tsa banka tse di ka dirisiwang fa go setse go duelwa.

Se se dirilweng ka fa ke lekodisitsweng ka teng, ga se patike ope gore a ye go bula account, ga gona ope yo o patikiwang gore a ye go bula account.

Ga ke dumele gore go na le lekwalo le re ka le ntshang re pateletsa batho gore ba ye go bula accounts.
Re ne re eletsa gore re tlhofofatse gore dituelo tse e re fa di diriwa mo system ya Government Accounting and Budgeting System (GABS), re bo re na le details tse di ka re thusang gore re duele ba ba nang le accounts ka motlhale o o ntseng jalo.
Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo ke batla go rurifatsa fela gore nnyaa, ga ke bone fa se re tlaabong re se dirile ke se se patikang e bile se tsenya batho mo mathateng le dikoloto kana le gore ba bo ba maintain accounts mo nakong e. Gongwe ke ka tswa go na le nngwe e ke e tlogetseng fa morago potso, mme ke ithaya ke re ke di arabile.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


METSIBOTLHOKO COURT MR F. T. LEUWE (TAKATOKWANE): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development to state when the Metsibotlhoko Court will be designated as a Court of Record.

OF MINISTER LOCAL ASSISTANT GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MS MONNAKGOTLA): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke a go dumedisa mo letsatsing leno, e bile ke dumedise le motlotlegi, ke mo lebogele potso eo.
Mr Speaker, ministry o amogela gore motse wa Metsibotlhoko o mo seemong sa go ka nna le Headman of Record.

Sebe sa phiri ke letlhoko la madi go dira tiro e e maleba e, gore banni ba motse ba bone dithuso tse di rileng.

Ministry o tlaa tswelela ka go sekaseka gore, banni ba motse wa Metsibotlhoko ba tlaa thusiwa jang fa seemo sa madi se letla.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR LEUWE: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Tona.


Motho o ka batla go itse gore fa go buiwa ka seemo sa madi, motse o sale o lemogiwa ka 1999, is almost more than 20 years now, go tewa madi e le bokae?

Ba Metsibotlhoko ba re bogolo ba leke Constituency Fund.

Madi a go buiwang ka one ke bokae?

A mme Tona o a itse gore motse o o sale o lemogiwa leng?

Dikole le dikokelo di a agiwa, go pala fela gore go dirwe Customary Court of Record gore e thuse badirelapuso bao.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

MS MONNAKGOTLA: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke leboge motlotlegi.

Motlotlegi, madi a a buiwang a, Headman of Records o a go tlhokana le package e e mo tshwanetseng jaaka go direlwa ofisi, go nna le Mokwaledi, koloi le ene mokwaledi a nne le boroko.

Dilo tse di tshwanetse go batlelwa madi gore di nne teng, re tle re thuse motlotlegi.

Ke sone se ke se buang gore fa seemo sa madi se nna botoka, re tlaa lebelela kgang e ya ga motlotlegi.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

DR GOBOTSWANG: Supplementary.


Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Honourable Assistant Minister, ke tsaya gore o a itse gore settlements di solofetse go le gontsi mo go wena.

Fa o bua dipuo tse o di buang o goroga fela mo maemong ao, a o raya gore o di direla sentle?

Se sengwe ke gore, a wa re ga go na ofisi kwa Metsibotlhoko?

Sa bobedi, go simologile leng gore koloi e nne sengwe sa dilo tse di tshwanetseng go dirwa gore Kgotla e tlhomamisiwe e nne fa godimonyana?
A o a lemoga gore go na le Dikgotla tse dintsi tsa metse e metona tse di senang dikoloi Honourable Assistant Minister?

Ke lela ka gore settlements di beile mo go wena Assistant Minister.

Ke a leboga.

MS MONNAKGOTLA: Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Gobotswang ka potso eo.

O ne o re dikoloi di simologile leng go nna teng fa ofising; ga se ofisi fela ka gore e agilwe, e tshwanetse e nne le furniture and phone.

Go tshwanetse go lebelelwa tse dingwe fela jalo.

Ke sone o utlwang ke bua ka letlhoko la madi.


Fa o bua ka koloi, borukutlhi bo setse bo oketsega mo motseng, bo tlhokana le koloi.

Ke sone se o bonang ke re dilo tse, ke tsone tse di dirang gore letlhoko la madi le nne teng.

Ke sa beye gore ga re na go e lebelela.

O itse gore le kwa kgaolong ya gago Motlotlegi Gobotswang, metse e e tshwanang le Diloro le e mengwe, bo Makopana, Mahalapye, Ngwape, Ikongwe, Kweneng re lebeletse Loologane, Mmatseta le Mmokolodi, ga re a lebelela Metsibotlhoko fela.
Re batla gore fa seemo sa madi se letla, re bo re lebelela metse e yotlhe.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR LEUWE: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Bontlha bongwe jwa follow-up ya potso ya me, bo amilwe ke Rre Gobotswang.

Ke utlwa Tona a remelela thata mo koloing le gore melato e tlaa oketsega.

Ke 13 Hansard No 205Tuesday 8th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER mmotse gore a gompieno o a itse gore melato e diragala e le kae kwa Metsibotlhoko?
Sa bobedi, a mpolelele gore madi a o bua ka bokae fa a re a a tlhaela?

Motse o lemogilwe ka 1999, go tla go tsena gompieno e setse e le more than 20 years.

Fa gare fa a le raya gore ga go ise go nne le madi a go lemoga Kgotla ya Metsibotlhoko gore e nne ka fa molaong e sekise?

Ke sone se ke batlang go se itse for those past 20 years le go feta.

MS MONNAKGOTLA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Leuwe.


Fa o botsa ka madi gore ke bokae, ga re ise re lebelele budget gore go ya go tlhokafala bokae fa re tsentse furniture, dikoloi, Mokwaledi le tse di tlhokafalang mo tirong eo.

Tota gore borukutlhi bo kana ka eng, cases di kae, ga ke na information.

Ke tlaa e tsisa mo Palamenteng Mr Speaker.


Motlotlegi Leuwe, ga se Metsibotlhoko fela, ke sone se ke reng fa o direla ngwana o sa ba direle botlhe… Re lebeletse gore re direle bana botlhe, jaaka ke ne ke bua gore le bone bao... MR LEUWE: Mr Speaker, potso ya me e botsa ka Metsibotlhoko, ga ke batle dikarabo tsa metse e mengwe.

Ke kopa karabo ya Metsibotlhoko.

Ke tlaa tla ke botsa ka tse dingwe tse di ntseng di buiwa tsa Marobela le kae.

Ke santse ke botsa ka ya Metsibotlhoko please.


MS MONNAKGOTLA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Motlotlegi, ga ke ise ke dire budget ya gore go ya go tlhokafala bokae.

Borukhutlhi ke tlaa go tlela gore cases di setse di le kae kwa Metsibotlhoko.

Ke tlaa tla ka tsone mo Palamenteng e e tlang Mr Speaker.

Dilo tse ke tlaa tla ka tsone.

Go lebelela Metsibotlhoko ke tlaa tla ka tsone gore fa e le gore o ka dira le ka Constituency Community Project (CCP) ya gago gore go lebeletswe eng, ga go a lebelelwa eng.
Ke dilo tse ke tlaa go di beelang fa pele Motlotlegi Leuwe.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


SUPPLIES OFFICERS AND BURSARS AT SELEBI PHIKWE PRIMARY SCHOOLS MR K. NKAWANA (SELEBI PHIKWE EAST): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development if he is aware that there are no Supplies Officers or Bursars in Selebi Phikwe Primary Schools which increases the workload for Head of Departments (HODs) as they have to carry out the duties of those portfolios causing them to miss some classes; if so, are there plans to create the above stated posts.
MINISTER LOCAL ASSISTANT GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MODUKANELE): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

OF Ke leboge Rre Nkawana for the question.

Ke dumedise le Mapalamente otlhe, this afternoon.

Mr Speaker, I am aware that there are no Supplies Officers Bursars in Selebi Phikwe Primary Schools and indeed in the entire country because of manpower constraints and zero growth on manpower.
I wish to highlight that my ministry provides other support staff to primary schools which include cleaners, messengers, cooks and kitchen hands.

However, I wish to acknowledge the need for supplies officers and going forward this will be considered alongside other schools countrywide through the normal manpower budgeting processes, subject to resource availability Mr Speaker.

I thank you.

MR NKAWANA: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Motlotlegi, ga ke go utlwe sentle, a wa re barutabana ga ba kgone go ruta applying themselves fully ka a certain percentage ba e tsaya ba tabogile mo ba tsaya quotation ba reka jalojalo, fa gongwe ba tlola classes tota?

A wa re kitchen staff and cleaners can compensate for classes missed?

A ko o itlhalose gore wa re di amana jang gone foo?
Ke ne ke botsa gore dithuto di a amiwa ke gore barutabana ga ba kgone go ya kwa ntlwaneng ya borutelo ka gore ba a bo ba tshwerwe ke nako ya ditiro tse e seng tsa bone.

Ke a leboga.

MR MODUKANELE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke tsaya gore kgang ya me e tlhamaletse.

Se ke se supang ke gore re thusa support staff ba ke neng ke ba supa foo Mr Speaker as an example.
Mma ke supe gore indeed though supplies officers have never been part of the establishment for the primary schools, we do acknowledge gore nako re ya bona gore e tsile ya gore fa go na le letlhoko ba a tlhokafala and going forward, our intention is to budget for such posts Mr Speaker, fa itsholelo e tokafala kana fa le ka re neela madi Mr Nkawana as this Parliament for the creation of those posts.
OPEN SPACES IN GABORONE MR T. MANGWEGAPE-HEALY (GABORONE CENTRAL): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development to state: (i) the number and types of open spaces in Gaborone; (ii) the number of those that have been either targeted for development and/or leasing; (iii) the beneficiaries of those that have been leased out; and (iv) the number of Batswana who have been employed from such enterprises.
14 Hansard No 205Tuesday 8th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MODUKANELE): Thank you Mr Speaker and let me thank Honourable Healy for the question as well.

OF (i) Mr Speaker, there is a total of 404 open spaces offered to Gaborone City Council by the Ministry of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services.
These are classified as follows Mr Speaker: local open spaces which include amongst others neighbourhood cluster playing areas, children’s playing areas, gardens et cetera.

Major walking spaces include sports fields, recreational parks, mini-walkways, public plazas and river corridors.
(ii) Mr Speaker, a total of 17 open spaces have been targeted for development or leased out by Gaborone City Council to local businesses and Non-Governmental Organisations (NGOs) for the development of recreational activities.

Out of the 17 open spaces, 10 have been leased to private entities for development while seven were developed through donations.

I will provide the Honourable Member with details of these open spaces that were targeted for development and/or leasing.
(iii) Mr Speaker, a total of 52 open spaces consisting of 32 for Ward Development Committees and 20 for Ministry of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development (MYSC) have been leased out.

The open spaces leased to Ward Development Committees are for the development of selected community partners in each ward to empower local businesses while those leased to MYSC are meant to accommodate businesses and projects funded by the ministry.
In addition, Mr Speaker, to the above, Gaborone City Council has identified 20 more open spaces which council intends to advertise through expression of interest in the current financial year for development by the private sector and community organisations.

(iv) Mr Speaker, the total number of Batswana employed from the development of parks and open spaces to date is 266 and this number comprises 180 who were engaged during construction and 86 who are permanently employed.

I thank you Mr Speaker.


Supplementary.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you very much Mr Speaker.

Thank you Honourable Minister for karabo eo.

Honourable Minister, ke utlwa o bua gore go na le tse dingwe tse di tlang tse di tlileng go abiwa.

Motho o ka batla go itse Honourable Minister gore spaces tse as you earmark them for allocation, a le buisanya le banni ba fa spaces tse di leng teng?
Ke botsa jaana ka gore e le sekai, Tsholofelo Park kwa Boikhutso, Extension 27, banni ba teng le ba Tsholofelo South ba supa fa e le gore ba bone fela go setse go dirwa ditlhabololo mme ga go ise go nniwe fa fatshe le bone go itse maikutlo a bone le gore gongwe le bone ba ka nna le kgatlhego ya gore ba ka dira eng ka space seo.

Le gone jaaka Palamente e e fetisitse molao wa Economic Inclusion Act, a spaces tse le di aba go na le targeted citizens ba le batlang go ba abela spaces tse kana le di bula fela?
A kompone nngwe le nngwe that is registered mo Botswana e ka iteka kana le leba targeted citizens jaaka ke buile jaaka banana, banalebogole, bomme and particularly banni ba lefelo lone leo?

Sa bofelo Minister, motho o ka batla go itse gore tse di setseng di abilwe, di abilwe jang gape di abilwe leng and what was the process of allocation of those said open spaces?

I thank you.

MR MODUKANELE: Mr Speaker, I thank you.


Thank you so much Honourable Member for Gaborone Central for those supplementary questions.

First and foremost, let me indicate that in line with the principles and the creed of the Botswana Democratic Party (BDP), consultation is the cornerstone ka fa re dirang dilo ka teng.

Tumelo ya me and our expectation ke gore ba ba maleba fa ba dira dilo tse, they take on board and consult le baagi ba fa open spaces tse di leng teng.
Fa e le gore ga go a nna jalo Mr Speaker, I will certainly after this make follow-up to make sure gore se se a diragala ka gore tumelo ya rona ke gore go tshwanetse gore go dirwe fela jalo.

I may not say it gore kwa Honourable Member a neng a bua ka teng kwa Extension 27 kwa Tsholofelo Park gore gongwe go ka bo go sa direga jalo.
I cannot say gore koo go diragetse kana ga go a direga mme se ke ka se tlhomamisang ke gore keletso, maikemisetso le maikaelelo a rona ke gore go nne jalo go nne le morero Mr Speaker as the Honourable Member would agree with me gore ke maikaelelo a rona gore gongwe le gongwe go nne go diragala jalo.
Targeted citizens; Mr Speaker, certainly our expectation ke gore these businesses fa go nang le tshono teng, re bone gore batho ba rona benefit from ditshono tse di tlaabong di ntse jalo in line with the inclusivity e e leng gore re tlhola re e bua and the Bill e Honourable Member a neng a e bua (cite).

15 Hansard No 205Tuesday 8th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER The process of allocation Mr Speaker, I will come back ke kope.
I beg for your indulgence gore tse di setseng di abilwe (allocated), ke se ka ka dira assumption.

I will certainly get that information and come back to the Honourable Member gore re supe gore indeed the allocations tse kwa le kwa di dirilwe jaana le jaana and in line with our expectations as it were.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR BALOPI: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente; ke go dumedise.
Ke leboge Mopalamente wa Gaborone Central Rre Healy gore a bo a tlile ka potso e. Ke kopa gore gongwe Tona a atolse gore a mo mafelong a a fa gare ga dikago kana lefatshe le le fa gare ga dikago le metse, open space ka Sejatlhapi, a a lesome le bosupa mo go one a o rileng a a lesome a setse a abilwe mme a a supa one a santse a tlaa sekasekwa gore a ka dirisetswa eng ke bo mang, gore a akaretsa a a borobabedi a a mo Phakalane?

Ke potso ya ntlha.
Ke potso ya ntlha.

Ya bobedi ke gore a lephata le dira gotlhe go tlhomamisa gore maikaelelo a tiriso ya lefatshe le le fa gare ga dikago le metse, yone open space le tsamaelana le maikaelelo a Puso a tiriso ya lefatshe?

Jaaka e le gore maikaelelo a yone ke gore lefatshe le tshwana le le mo ditoropong le dirisetswe dikgwebo tse di potlana tsa Batswana mme gape le itebagantse le tsa bojanala ka tsela tse di farologaneng teng fagare ga toropo.
Gore ka gore ke maitlamo e bile ke tshepiso ya Puso, a ba itebagantse le tseo?
Ya boraro ya bofelo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente ke gore a ga ba bone go tlhokafala gore ba ntse ba ikamantse le tiriso ya lefatshe e Puso e batlang gore e bo e diragala gore go nne le tse di seegelwang fa thoko mo tirisong ya lefatshe le gore go tsenelele mo go reng go nne le dilo di tshwana le bo internet kana tiriso ya maranyane e e tseneletseng, motlakase o o sa kgaolweng kgapetsakgapetsa, tiriso ya tse di tshwanang le ditlamelo tsa bo ablutions jalojalo gore di bo di le teng, e le Special Economic Zones (SEZs) for small and medium enterprises tse di itebagantseng le Batswana, segolo jang banana le ba bangwe ba e leng gore gongwe ba ka tswa ba ntse ba le mo mosing, a maiteko a ga ba bone e le a ba ka itebaganyang le one e le lephata?
Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR MODUKANELE: I thank you Mr Speaker.

Mma ke leboge Honourable Balopi for those questions, ke re di maleba.

The issue ya tse nine that the Honourable Member sited tsa Phakalane, mma ke se ka ka abelela ke re, I will come back to you and confirm that one.

16 Gore dikgwebo tse di potlana in line jaaka maikaelelo a Puso, mme ke re... MR BALOPI: Correction, they are eight Honourable Minister.
MR MODUKANELE: Ee, tse eight tse o neng o di bua, Tanki Honourable Member.

Mma ke re tsone tseo, ke tlaa boela kwa go wena, ke go fe information eo le fa e le outside Parliament Mr Speaker.
Mma ke re dikgwebo tse di potlana Mr Speaker, I think the Honourable Member, the Secretary General for this mighty party, o tlaa dumalana le nna gore as one Government tota se a se buang ke maikaelelo a rona, e bile ke maikemisetso a ministry one o. E ke batla go dumalana jaana Mr Speaker gore, the last comments that the Honourable Member made tota ke di tsaya e le kgakololo, e bile e le sengwe se e leng gore as we engage with our stakeholders, being the City Council ya Gaborone le boeteledipele jwa yone, ke dingwe tse re tlaa reng re nne re di ba beye pele e le dikgakololo tsa gore ba lebe those areas like Honourable Member a sa tswa go bua.
Ke go dumela gore when you are talking of… o ne o bua ka special zones le the ablutions and stuff like that gore, ke dilo tse di botlhokwa gone mo toropong, ka gore fa gongwe o kgona go tsamaya go tswa kwa go a go fetela kwa, e kete ga go na sepe fa go tsenang teng, mme e bile di bo di sokodisa thata fa e le mo bathong ba gongwe dingwaga ba setseng ba le in the afternoons of their days.

Ke dilo tse di botlhokwa, I want to acknowledge that.
I want to thank you so sincerely, both members of Gaborone, gore indeed go a bonala gore toropo e e emetswe ke banna tota ka dinao.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

EXPANSION OF THE A10 ROAD P. K. MOTAOSANE MR (THAMAGA- KUMAKWANE): asked the Minister of Transport and Communications to give an update on the expansion of the A10 road from Mogoditshane to Mmankgodi turn- off (Sengaparile); and the Molepolole-Thamaga road.
OF TRANSPORT MINISTER AND (MR SEGOKGO): Mr COMMUNICATIONS Speaker, the expansion of A10 road from Mogoditshane to Mmankgodi turn-off tender is still under adjudication.

Mr Speaker, the asphalt overlay of Molepolole– Thamaga road tender was approved for award by Ministerial Tender Committee (MTC) on the 13th Hansard No 205Tuesday 8th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER January 2022.

Subsequent to the cooling off period, the Contractor was issued with an acceptance letter on the 4th February 2022.
The Contractor is therefore expected to commence works within 28 days from issuing of the acceptance letter subject to his submission of the performance guarantee.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR MOTAOSANE: Supplementary Mr Speaker, ke utlwa Tona.

Tota fela kgang ya tsela e ya A10 ke gore ke gakgamala gore nako le nako go nna go buiwa gotwe e kwa adjudication stage.
Fa o ka gakologelwa Minister through you Mr Speaker, kana this project e ka bo e sa bolo go simologa maybe some four years ago, jaanong ke a makala.

A o a lemoga gore mme e kgoreletsa le bagwebi bangwe, sekai jaaka bangwe ba Shell filling station fa Ledumadumane, because re le Khansele we wanted to expand the road there and le bo le emisa le re, tsela eo e tlile go dirwa.
For the past two and half or three years go ntse gotwe e mo adjudication, naare adjudication e go tsomanwa le eng se se itsang gore e fele?

A mme gone go na le boammaaruri le maikaelelo a gore ministry o o batla go dira tsela e?

Sa bofelo, are you aware Minister that tsela e ya A10 is the only road going out of Gaborone e e seng dual go tswa mo Gaborone go ya kwa Kanye, and the congestion ya traffic especially at peak hours…are you aware of that?

If so o dira eng ka gone?

Thank you sir.


MR SEGOKGO: Ke a leboga Honourable Motaosane.

Ee, go boammaaruri tota gore tsela e e ntse e le in adjudication stage for a very long time sir.

Mme kana tsela e e ne ya re la ntlha fa go sena to tender go ne ga tsoga gore jaanong bangwe ba tsose dingongorego mo go yone, go belaelwa gore go na le corruption mo process ya evaluation fa e ne e santse e diriwa ke MTC.
Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, re ne ra tsaya tshwetso ka nako eo gore e neelwe ba Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Board (PPADB) ba e batlele ba go ka tswelelang ba dira evaluation.

Tiego e kgolo e tswa go nna gone foo, ka gore e sale e nna le bone ka lebaka le le leele.

Kana fa go le on the process tsa tender jaana ga re kgotlele processes tse rraetsho, ke sone se o utlwang ke go bolelela gore e mo adjudication, ka gore ga e ise e abiwe.

Ga e ise e kgone go fitlhelela mo seemong sa gore e abiwe.
Maikaelelo le keletso ya rona ke gore re age tsela e. Ga go re thuse gore rona re bo re supa tsela e e le gore ke e re batlang go e aga re raya Batswana jalo, mme e bo e sa kgone go tswelela.

Gore e kgoreletsa Shell Filling Station, specifically, ke ne ke sa itse ka seemo sa Shell.

Gone re a itse gore kana fa ditlhabololo di sa dirwe go na le fa di yang go kgoreletsa banni ba Mogoditshane.

Ke raya gore ke tsaya gore karabo ya me e ntse jalo motlotlegi.

MR SALESHANDO: Supplementary Mr Speaker.


Ke a go leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke kopa go botsa Tona gore, fa go sena to adjudicate la ntlha go bo go tsewa tshwetso ya gore e neelwa mang, ke mang yo o ngongoregileng ka dikgang tsa corruption?

Ka gore tsamaiso ke gore those who tendered if ba na le tse ba ngongoregang ka tsone ba di sale morago.

A go na le ope who tendered yo o ka supiwang gatwe, yo o ne a sa e abelwa o ne a ngongorega ka mabaka a a latelang?
Fa go sena ke bafe ba ba tlileng ba ngongorega ka tsela e gore ga e a abiwa sentle?

MR SEGOKGO: Ke a leboga.

Nnyaa, e ne e ise e wetse gore e abiwe Honourable Leader of the Opposition (LOO), mme ga ke na yo ke mo supang ka monwana gompieno, ke tlaa tla ke ka dira jalo kwa morago ka gore ke ne ke sa ipaakanyetsa jalo gore ke ene yo o neng a ngongorega a ntsha gore tender e ka se ke ya tswelela.

Mme e ne e sa abiwa.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you Mr Speaker.


Honourable Segokgo, kana tsela e go buiwang ka yone e, e felela mo sekgweng, mo turnoff ya Mmankgodi.

Would it not make sense for this road gore e felele kwa motseng wa Thamaga?

It is only 6 kilometres (km) away and one of the major metse mo lefatsheng la Botswana, or in the territory ya toropo ya Gaborone.

Jaanong kana go raya gore there is that bottleneck from Moshupa-Thamaga, before the road starts.
So would it not make sense to do the extra 6 km gore e felele kwa motseng wa Thamaga?

Ke a leboga.

MR SEGOKGO: Ke a leboga Honourable Healy.

Tota ke tsaya gore re ka dumalana gore fa nne re e isitse gore e ye go duela go fitlha kwa Thamaga, go ne go ntse go ya go thusa, gongwe e bile ra e isa kwa Moshupa.

Kana ditiro di dirwa ka madi… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Kana Kanye.

MR SEGOKGO: Jaanong ba a ntsenelela Mr Speaker.


Di dirwa ka madi go lebilwe gore mo nakong e re a bo re leka go dira tiro efe, re ka kgona tiro e le kae.

Ke dumela gore fa go ntse go tlhatlhobiwa le go lebeletswe seemo sa ditsela, go atoloswa ga yone go tlaa dirwa.

Kana ke ka a fa sekai le fela e e tswang fa Kgale e ya kwa bo Boatle.

Gakere le Tona maabane o ne a tlhalosa gore kana re tsweletse ka go leka gore re e atolose mo mafelong mangwe, bogolo jang a a setseng a supa gore e bile a a phutlhama.
Bokhutshwane jwa karabo ke gore fa re ne re e isitse kwa Thamaga, go ne go ya go thusa sir.
17 Hansard No 205Tuesday 8th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER SHORTAGE OF SPECIALISTS AT MAHALAPYE DISTRICT HOSPITAL MR D. TSHERE (MAHALAPYE WEST): asked the Minister of Health and Wellness if he is aware that the Mahalapye District Hospital has been operating without Obstetrics, Gynaecology and Paeditrician services for a long time and he should further state: (i) the infant mortality rate at the said hospital; (ii) the maternal mortality rate; (iii) the monthly average baby deliveries at this hospital; (iv) how many of these babies needed special baby units; and (v) how many unfortunately passed on while being transferred to Francistown.
ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Thank you so much Mr Speaker, and good afternoon.

Dumela Rre Tshere, Modulasetilo wa Komoti ya Botsogo.

Mr Speaker, my ministry is aware that Mahalapye District Hospital has no Obstetrics and Gynaecology services for a period of about three years, but the said hospital has never lacked Paeditrician services.

It should be pointed out that the country is currently experiencing acute shortage of specialists in Obstetrics and Gynaecology.
As an intervention, Mahalapye is assisted on outreach basis and a total of 200 patients have been operated on various gynaecological conditions for the period of 2021 alone.

My ministry is currently working on initiatives to increase access to Obstetrics and Gynaecology, among other specialists through engagement of local private sector.
(i) The infant mortality rate for 2021 stands at 23 over 1000 live birth for Mahalapye; (ii) The maternal mortality rate in 2021 stands at 181 over 100 000 live birth; (iii) The monthly average baby delivered in Mahalapye stands at 184; (iv) A total 247 at 11.2 of the total deliveries needed specialists baby care within a local hospital, with 23 of this 247 needed intensive special baby care and were referred to different hospitals.

(v) No baby died while being transferred to Francistown.

I thank you sir.
I thank you sir.

MR TSHERE: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Tona, ga ke itse gore a le a lemoga kwa ministry gore secondary health care e phutlhame mo Botswana.

Fa re bua ka Mahalapye mme fa o ka botsa Mapalamente a mangwe, ba tlaa go bolelela.
Kwa Scottish Livingstone kwa Molepolole, Serowe kwa Sekgoma, Letsholathebe kwa Maun, services tsa mohuta o ke buang ka tsone tsa bo Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Paeditrician, General Surgeon, ga di yo mme e le tsone mokotlo wa secondary care mo Botswana, e e leng gore maikaelelo a yone fa go dirwa dipatela tse, re ne le ikaelela go dira jang?
A le a lemoga gore kgang e e sale e phutlhame ka gore ga o tla mo Palamenteng, o tlaabo o bolelela Palamente gore ga le na dingaka, le lekile go di batla, dingaka di boile di ile mafatsheng a tsone mme re bo re emela maChina le maCuba, a e leng gore fa gongwe go nna le communication problem.

A selo se le a se lemoga?

Fa e le gore le a lemoga Tona, le dirile eng fa e sale nako e ke neng ke botsa potso e e neng e bua ka General Surgeon, gore ke eng e seyo mo dipateleng tsa rona?
Le dirile eng, a le kile la float advert mo Botswana and regionally, le leka go batla dingaka tse di ka re thusang mo dikgannyeng tse?

A le kile la dira jalo?

Fa e le gore le kile la dira jalo, a o raya gore letloa la lona le tlile le sa tsaya sepe Tona mo nakong e le neng le leka go dira jalo?
Ga ke tseye gore re tshwanetse re amogele Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, gore gatwe ga gona dingaka mme re bo re itshopara fela jaaka ke bona o kare Tona o itshopere, unless a kenta batho jaaka Honourable Kekgonegile a kile a bua gore kana le a kenta le bo le fetisetsa kwa pele.

Gompieno le a kenta le bo le fetisetsa kwa private sector.

Jaanong private sector ke yone e e jang the bulk of your budget.

A le a lemoga gore le phutlhamisa botsogo at a secondary level Tona?

Ke leboga Mr Speaker.


MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Mr Speaker.

Ke arabe mokaulengwe; ke supe jaana Mr Speaker, gore tota ntlha e a e buang e na le boammaaruri.

Fa re tsena mo go tsone specialists, it is not easy for us as Government go keep specialists dingaka.

Though it is us as Government ba re ba isang dikoleng ka gore dituelo tsa motho a setse jaanong e le a specialist, ba batla madi a mantsi.
Ke dingwe tsa dikgang tse re nnang re leka jalo gore gongwe dituelo tsa batho ba di baakangwe Mr 18 Hansard No 205Tuesday 8th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Speaker.

Go a tshwenya ka gore fa ba tla ba setse ba tswa kwa e le specialists, what they are getting paid in private sector, it is maybe three or four times what we offer them mo ga Goromente.
Jaanong ke dingwe tsa dikgang tse re di tshwereng, re leka jalo gore dituelo tsa specialists di baakangwe mme re nna re ntse re kopa jalo mo go lona le le Mapalamente gore dikgang tse a re di lebeleleng mmogo.

Fa re santse re lebile ntlha e Mr Speaker, go na le dikgang tsa gore we refer them kwa private sector, go bona gore a ba ka se ka ba re thuse fa re tlhokang specialist.
Le rona gape re le lephata, re simolodisa gape lenaneo lone la gore ka gore dipatela tsa rona tota in terms of equipment le dilo tse dingwe, o fitlhela e le gore dilo tse ba di tlhokang di teng.

Gongwe jaanong re batlisise gone mo dipateleng tsa rona go fokotsa madi a re a tsayang re a isa kwa ntle.

Ba bangwe ba tle go direla services tse di tlhokafalang gone mo dipateleng tsa rona.
Gone fela jaaka mokaulengwe a buile, ke dumalana le ene gore go thata to keep specialists mme ngwaga le ngwaga re a ba romela rra kwa sekoleng gore ba ye to train.

Gompieno we have got 206 ba ba tshwanetseng go goroga mo dingwageng tse tlhano tse di tlang ka go farologana.

Go supa jalo gore Puso e tlhwaafetse gore re nne le specialists mo lefatsheng la rona.

Ke a leboga.

DR GOBOTSWANG: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Honourable Minister, a ko o arabe fela o papametse, potso e ne e re a le na le dingaka tsa malwetse a bana; Paeditricians?

Gone jaanong wa re le na le ditlamelo tse di thusang bana.

A le na le ngaka kana dingaka tsa bana?

Ke yone potso e o tshwanetseng gore o e arabe.


Sa bobedi, ke ne ke re gongwe o re tshwantshetse gore dipalo tse tsa masea le bomme ba ba tlhokafalang ba le mo peleging kwa Mahalapye, o di tshwantshanya jang le tsa lefatshe ka bophara ka gore ke gone fela re ka bonang gore tota Mahalapye e mo seemong sefe?

Sa bofelo Honourable Minister, ke batla gore o nkarabe ka gore o Motswana, o itse Setswana thata gore a motho o ka hiswa ke setlhako a sa se rwala?
Kana Batswana ka bontsi jaanong ba dumela gore lebaka la gore dipatela tsa rona le botsogo ja rona e bo bo phutlhame jaana, ke gore baeteledipele ba lephata lone le, go simolola ka bo Director go ya go tsena ka Minister, ga ba dirise dipatela tsa setšhaba.

Wa reng Honourable Minister ka batho ba ba reng gongwe go dirwe molao wa gore le patikiwe gore le dirise dipatela tsa setšhaba?

Wa reng ka kgang eo Honourable Minister?

Ke a leboga MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, jaaka ke buile mo karabong, kwa sepateleng sa Mahalapye ga re na tsone dingaka tseo tsa bana, re na le bone kwa Nyangabgwe kwa e leng gore we refer balwetse teng.

Ke ne ke tsaya gore Dr Gobotswang kgang e o e tsaya ka tlhamalalo.

Mr Speaker, go araba potso ya gagwe ya bobedi, mo lefatsheng la Botswana fa go tlhokafala a specialist care, re leka ka bojotlhe fela jaaka o tlhola o bona re romela batho mo mafatsheng otlhe.
Fa e le gore motho o dirisa Medical Aid, re lebogela thata batho ba ba dirang jalo gore le bone ba re fokoletse mosuke.

E ka tswa e le ene Dr Gobotswang a ka ya South Africa kana ya kwa a kgonang teng, seo ke se re se lebogelang ka gore o kgonne to insure botshelo jwa gagwe.

Ba ba sa kgoneng, Goromente ga a latlhelele ope.

Ke gone mo o bonang re ba isa kwa Bokamoso, kwa kae, kwa go nang le specialists.
Ke ne ke araba ya gore a motho o ka fiswa ke setlhako a sa se rwala, se se supa gore ditlhako tse tsa botsogo re di rwele mmogo ka gore ga go na ope yo re mo kgopelang kwa thoko ka ntata ya gore itsholelo ya gagwe e fa kae.

Jaanong ke ne ke raya gore Motlotlegi Gobotswang, rotloetsa batho gore ba ba kgonang ba tsene mo Medicals Aid gongwe ba re fokoletse one mosuke …(Inaudible) … go sa reye gore ba ba senang Puso e tlaa ba latlhelela, ga re latlhelele ope rraetsho.

Ke a leboga.

MR REGOENG: Supplementary.


Tanki Mr Speaker.

Honourable Minister, kgang e kana o kare ga o e arabe sentle because dipatela tse tsa rona batho ba a sokola tota, go simolola fela ka yone the personnel, le di dirisiwa; the consumables kwa sepateleng ga di yo.

Nte re boele mo go e ya dingaka, fa o ka lebelela lefatshe la Cuba le la China, they have enough doctors.

Tota se se itsang gore le rona re romele palo e ntsi ya bana kwa dikoleng go ya go ithuta gore re tle re lwe le kgang e, ke eng?
A o ka re fa nako e le e beileng ya gore e tlaa re on such and such a year, re bo re setse re na le bongaka jo bo lekaneng mo dipateleng?

O e tlhamalatse fela gone gore a go na le maikaelelo a e leng gore ministry wa rona o beile lebaka la gore re ya go romela bana ba le kana mo dikoleng.

Ke buisiwa se ke gore, fa o ka lebelela gompieno, barutabana ba le neng le a train ba le bantsi, gompieno we have excess supply of teachers mo seterateng.

So why can we not do the same le dingaka?

Thank you.
Thank you.

19 Hansard No 205Tuesday 8th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Mr Speaker.

Ke utlwa se Mopalamente a se buang, ke a se lebogela.

Golo fa kana re bua ka specialist doctors, mo ke supang gore to train dingaka re a leka, go tsweletse go ntse go a dirwa.
When training ngaka, you train ngaka yo e leng gore o setse a feditse dingwaga tsa gagwe tse di ntsi, mme fa re santse re ya go ba dira specialists, ke sone se ke se buang gore budget ke yone e e laolang gore re ka ya go isa batho ba le kae.

Mo ngwageng o, re ne re akantse gore budget re e oketse from P15 million to P50 million gore jaanong re oketse batho for training.
Se ke sone se e leng gore re se lebeletse, le gore e tlaa re dingwaga fa di ntse di tsamaya, re nne le specialists tse di ntsi mo lefatsheng la rona.

Kana specialists Mr Speaker, di dira ditiro tse e leng gore ga di di ntsi mo go kalo, ke gone mo o fitlhelang e le gore le rona fa re lebeletse ka fa re ithusang ka teng, re lebelela gore dingaka tse di ntsi tse di tlhokafalang ke dife; ke general doctors.

Fa re tsena mo specialists, bontsi jwa tsone fela mathata a a leng teng ke yone kgang ya madi.
Ga re kgone go…(Inaudible)…gore already ba teng mo lefatsheng la rona.

Re ntse re tsweletse re a train rra go bona gore seemo se se sa tokafala go ya kwa pele.

Kgang ya ga Motlotlegi Gobotswang, kana go na le e nngwe e re neng re e tlogetse e e botlhokwa thata, e e neng e supa gore fa re lebeletse dipalopalo tsa batho ba ba re latlhegelang, segolo jang maternal death, o di lebelela mo Mahalapye, go a supafala rra gore dipalo di kwa godimo compared to dipalo tse gongwe re ka reng ke standard.
MR MOTAOSANE: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Honourable Minister, potso e ne e tlhamaletse go siame e bua ka specialists.

A ga o bone go le botlhokwa gore o tle mo Palamenteng o tle go re fa dipalo tsa dingaka tsotlhe tse o nang le tsone, say gore a primary hospital e tlhoka le gore e bo e na la dingaka di le kana, secondary hospital e tlhokana le tse kae, dingaka di le kana le specialists tse kana.

Re ko re tle re kgone go bona deficit ya dingaka e e leng gore re a tlhoka mo lefatsheng la rona.
Sekai, fa o ya kwa Thamaga, ke ka go raya ka re ga go na dingaka gotlhelele, we have got only two doctors, mme dikgang tse di nna di tswelela fela, ga ke itse gore a le bona go siame.
One madi a le nnang le romela batho ka one kwa dingakeng tse di kwa ntle le mo private hospitals tse di leng mono, ke eng le sa kgone go duela specialists ka one madi ao ka gore we could be avoiding go isa batho kwa private hospitals ba 20 ba jang madi a a seng kana ka sepe, go gaisa fa le ka bo le hirile batho ao bale in Government hospitals.
Wa reng ka kgang e Tona, a ko fela o tlhamalale o bo o re tlele ka a proper statistics ya tsa botsogo tsa bongaka mo lefatsheng la Botswana; both primary and secondary hospitals.

Ke a leboga MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Mr Speaker.

Tota kana dikgang tsa rona tsa botsogo go molemo thata gore re lekodise Palamente.

Se mokaulengwe a se buang ga se se se ka palang, re ka se dira Mr Speaker, go lekodisa Palamente ka dikgang tsone tse tsa rona gongwe re lebeletse tsa bongaka.
Kana gongwe fela jaaka ke buile, tota dituelo tsa dingaka tsa rona mo lefatsheng, ke sa supe gore specialist, le tsone dingaka fela, go a supa gore salaries tsa bone di kwa tlase.

Ke dingwe tsa dikgang tse e leng gore go na le batho ba ba lebeletseng dituelo tsotlhe tsa batho ba bodiredi jwa botsogo ka gore jaaka dipatela di bulwa jaana tse di ikemetseng, they offer salaries tse di rileng.
O bo o fitlhela e le gore dingaka tsa rona di a tlogela gone kwa bo Thamaga, Mahalapye, Letlhakane, kae, ba a ikemela.

Bangwe jaanong ba bula le tsone the private practice, ba ikemela le bone jaanong.
Tota konokono e tona ke kgang ya di salary rraetsho e ke tsayang gore re le lephata re e lebeletse, re tlaa e baya Khuduthamaga pele go bona gore re ka dira jang strategy of retaining dingaka mo lefatsheng le ka gore tota gone go bokete rraetsho fa re tla mo dikgannyeng tsa bongaka kana tsa botsogo fela in general.

Ke a leboga.

MR SPEAKER: Question five, Honourable Majaga.

…Silence… HONOURABLE Kekgonegile, o rile o tla e mo tseela, o kae?

MEMBER: Honourable MR SPEAKER: O lebetse gakere.


HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ijoo, ga ba yo botlhe.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga o e mo tseele Sticks?

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, that brings us to the end of matters which can be taken today, and I call upon the Leader of the House to move a Motion of adjournment.

MOTION ADJOURNMENT Hansard No 205Tuesday 8th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Thank you Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, as we have come to the end of today’s Order Paper, I move that this House do now adjourn.

Question put and agreed to.

SPEAKER’S REMARKS MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, so that tomorrow you are prepared, the Business Committee met to try and see what time can be allocated for the debates starting tomorrow.
We are not yet through with the figures, so what I have done, I intend to use Standing Order 9.3 to be free, that it allows for allocation by the Speaker, where there is no clear provision for the times.

Officially therefore, the Leader of the Opposition (LOO), if he takes the floor tomorrow which he is entitled to do, will have 50 minutes.
The Leader of Minority Parties will have 30 minutes, the other MPs will have 20 minutes and we will be using the same powers to revise those minutes by Thursday after consulting the General Assembly.

The House is adjourned.
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