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EMERGENCY MEETING (FINANCIAL ACTION TASK FORCE (FATF) BILLS) MONDAY 24 JANUARY 2022 MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO: 204 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon.

Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP.

DEPUTY SPEAKER Hon.

P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP.

(Tonota) Clerk of the National Assembly Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly Acting Learned Parliamentary Counsel Assistant Clerk (E) His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP.

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP.


(Boteti West) CABINET - President - Vice President - Ms B. N. Dithapo - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe - Ms K. Kokoro - Mr R. Josiah Hon.

K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP.

(Molepolole South) - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

K. T. Mmusi, MP.

(Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon.

Dr L. Kwape, MP.

(Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon.

K. K. Autlwetse, MP.


(Specially Elected) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon.

K. S. Gare, MP.

(Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

P. K. Kereng, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism Hon.

Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP.

(Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon.

T.M.

Segokgo, MP.

(Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon.

K. Mzwinila, MP.
K. Mzwinila, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon.

T. M. Rakgare, MP.

(Mogoditshane) - Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development Hon.

A. M. Mokgethi, MP.

(Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon.

P. O. Serame, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon.

F. M. M. Molao, MP.

(Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Hon.

Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP.


(Tati East) Hon.

L. M. Moagi, MP.

(Ramotswa) - Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology - Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security Hon.

M. Kgafela, MP.

(Mochudi West) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

M. R. Shamukuni, MP.

(Chobe) - Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development Hon.

E. M. Molale, MP.

(Goodhope-Mabule) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development Hon.
D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP.

(Gaborone South) - Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

S. N. Modukanele, MP.

(Lerala -Maunatlala) Hon.

T. Monnakgotla, MP.

(Kgalagadi North) Hon.

M. M. Pule, MP.

(Mochudi East) Hon.

M. S. Molebatsi, MP.


(Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

S. Lelatisitswe, MP.

(Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness Hon.

N. W. T. Makwinja, MP.

(Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education Hon.

B. Manake, MP.
B. Manake, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

H. B. Billy, MP.

(Francistown East) Hon.

A. Lesaso, MP.

(Shoshong) - Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES Names Constituency Hon.

L. Kablay, MP.

(Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon.

Dr U. Dow, MP.

Hon.


P. Majaga, MP.

Hon.

M. Balopi, MP.

Hon.

J. S. Brooks, MP.

Hon.

C. Greeff, MP.

Hon.

T. Letsholo, MP.

Hon.

T. F. Leuwe, MP.

Hon.

T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP.

Hon.

Dr T. Matsheka, MP.

Hon.

S. N. Moabi, MP.

Hon.

P. K. Motaosane, MP.

Hon.

O. Regoeng, MP.

Hon.

J. L. Thiite, MP.


Specially Elected Nata-Gweta Gaborone North Kgalagadi South Gaborone Bonnington South Kanye North Takatokwane Gaborone Central Lobatse Tati West Thamaga-Kumakwane Molepolole North Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon.

D. Saleshando, MP.

(Leader of the Opposition) Hon.

M. G. J. Motsamai, MP.


(Opposition Whip) Maun West Ghanzi South Selebi Phikwe West Mahalapye East Sefhare-Ramokgonami Ngami Okavango Maun East Bobonong Selebi Phikwe East Palapye Nkange Mahalapye West Francistown West Hon.

D. L. Keorapetse, MP.

Hon.

Y. Boko, MP.

Hon.

Dr K. Gobotswang, MP.

Hon.

C. K. Hikuama, MP.

Hon.

K. K. Kapinga, MP Hon.

G. Kekgonegile, MP.

Hon.

T. B. Lucas, MP.

Hon.

K. Nkawana, MP.

Hon.

O. Ramogapi, MP.

Hon.

Dr N. Tshabang, MP.

Hon.

D. Tshere, MP.

Hon.


M. I. Moswaane, MP.

Hon.

T. S. Khama, MP.

Hon.

L. Lesedi, MP.

Hon.

B. Mathoothe, MP.

Hon.

M. Reatile, MP.

(Botswana Patriotic Front) Serowe West Serowe South Serowe North Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon.

W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.
W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.

Francistown South (Alliance for Progressives) TABLE OF CONTENTS EMERGENCY MEETING (FINANCIAL ACTION TASK FORCE (FATF) BILLS) EMERGENCY MEETING MONDAY 24 JANUARY, 2022 CONTENTS PAGE (S) SPEAKER’S REMARKS..........................................................................................................................................1 GOVERNMENT BILLS Financial Intelligence Bill, 2021 (No.
34 of 2021) First Reading..........................................................................................................................................................1 Second Reading.................................................................................................................................................2-35 Virtual Assets Bill, 2021 (No.
35 of 2021) First Reading..........................................................................................................................................................1 Movable Property (Security Interests) Bill, 2021 (No.

49 of 2021) First Reading..........................................................................................................................................................1 Trust Property Control Bill, 2021 (No.
37 of 2021) First Reading..........................................................................................................................................................1 Proceeds and Instruments of Crime (Amendment) Bill, 2021 (No.

39 of 2021) First Reading..........................................................................................................................................................1 Counter Terrorism (Amendment) Bill, 2021 (No.
40 of 2021) First Reading..........................................................................................................................................................1 Criminal Procedure and Evidence (Amendment) Bill, 2021 (No.

41 of 2021) First Reading..........................................................................................................................................................2 Extradition (Amendment) Bill, 2021 (No.
42 of 2021) First Reading..........................................................................................................................................................2 Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters (Amendment) Bill, 2021 (No.

43 of 2021) First Reading..........................................................................................................................................................2 Biological and Toxin Weapons (Prohibition) (Amendment) Bill, 2021 (No.
44 of 2021) First Reading..........................................................................................................................................................2 Chemical Weapons (Prohibition) (Amendment) Bill, 2021 (No.

45 of 2021) First Reading..........................................................................................................................................................2 Nuclear Weapons (Prohibition) (Amendment) Bill, 2021 (No.
46 of 2021) First Reading..........................................................................................................................................................2 Precious and Semi-Precious Stones (Protection) (Amendment) Bill, 2021 (No.

47 of 2021) First Reading..........................................................................................................................................................2 Real Estate Professionals (Amendment) Bill, 2021 (No.
48 of 2021) First Reading..........................................................................................................................................................2 Societies Bill, 2021 (No.

38 of 2021) First Reading..........................................................................................................................................................2 Monday 24th January, 2022 ...Silence...
THE ASSEMBLY met at 2:00 p.m. (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) P R A Y E R S * * * * MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Honourable Members.

Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry.

MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR KGAFELA): Mr Speaker, good afternoon.

Mr Speaker, am I audible?

SPEAKER’S REMARKS MR SPEAKER: You are.

MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Honourable Members, can we switch on our videos.

Order!

Order!

Good afternoon Honourable Members and welcome back from the festive season.
May we also welcome Honourable Mpho Balopi, Member of Parliament from Gaborone North to the backbench.

Let us start our business of today with presentation of Government Bills.

First Readings PRESENTATION OF GOVERNMENT BILLS The following Bills were presented and read a first time.

FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.

34 OF 2021) (Minister of Finance and Economic Development) Second Reading - Later Today.

VIRTUAL ASSETS BILL, 2021 (NO.


35 OF 2021) (Minister of Finance and Economic Development) Second Reading - Later Date.

MOVABLE PROPERTY (SECURITY INTERESTS) BILL, 2021 (NO.

49 OF 2021) (Minister of Finance and Economic Development) Second Reading - Later Date.

TRUST PROPERTY CONTROL BILL, 2021 (NO.

37 OF 2021) MR KGAFELA: Mr Speaker, Kgafela speaking here.
Let me talk to you without my camera on, I am not properly dressed Mr Speaker on a kind of a bereavement, but I would like to find out from my office and Mr Gare should be acting.

If I could just find out from my office what is going on.

MR SPEAKER: What happened?

MR KGAFELA: Yes, there has been ... MR SPEAKER: You can do that.

I understand Minister.

I understand.

MR KGAFELA: Let me just find out Mr Speaker.

I will come back to Parliament.

MR SPEAKER: Yes, please.


Take your time Minister, we will find out.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, re ka se ka ra e tlola, re bo re e boela yone le ya Immigration?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Kante Vice President (VP) ene o kae?

LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Mr Speaker, if you can call Immigration again, I talked to her.

I think she was shuttling around her office to find the Bill.

But if you can call her again.

MR SPEAKER: I am not sure that I want to do that kind of …(inaudible)...
PROCEEDS AND INSTRUMENTS OF CRIME (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2021 (NO.

39 OF 2021) (Minister of Defence, Justice and Security) (Minister of Defence, Justice and Security) Second Reading – Later Today.

Second Reading - Later Today.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Honourable Members.

Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry has a Bill to present.

COUNTER TERRORISM (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2021 (NO.


40 OF 2021) (Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration) 1 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022GOVERNMENT BILLSFirst Readings Second Reading – Later Date.

Second Reading-Later Date.

CRIMINAL PROCEDURE AND EVIDENCE (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2021 (NO.

41 OF 2021) (Minister of Defence, Justice and Security) Second Reading – Later Today.

SOCIETIES BILL, 2021 (NO.


38 OF 2021) (Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs) Second Reading-Later Date.

EXTRADITION (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2021 (NO.

42 OF 2021) HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… (Minister of Defence, Justice and Security) Second Reading – Later Today.

MUTUAL ASSISTANCE IN CRIMINAL MATTERS (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2021 (NO.

43 OF 2021) (Minister of Defence, Justice and Security) Second Reading – Later Today.

BIOLOGICAL AND TOXIN WEAPONS (PROHIBITION) (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2021 (NO.
44 OF 2021) (Minister of Defence, Justice and Security) Second Reading – Later Today.

CHEMICAL WEAPONS (PROHIBITION) (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2021 (NO.

45 OF 2021) (Minister of Defence, Justice and Security) Second Reading-Later Today.

NUCLEAR WEAPONS (PROHIBITION) (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2021 (NO.

46 OF 2021) (Minister of Defence, Justice and Security) Second Reading-Later Today.

PRECIOUS AND SEMI-PRECIOUS STONES (PROTECTION) (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2021 (NO.
47 OF 2021) (Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security) Second Reading-Later Date.

REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2021 (NO.

48 OF 2021) (Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services) MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Honourable Members.

Let us proceed with the second readings.

BILL FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.

34 OF 2021) Second Reading MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (MS SERAME): Thank you Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, I have the honour to present to this Honourable House for second reading, the Financial Intelligence Bill, 2021 (No.

34 of 2021).

Mr Speaker, allow me to provide background and context before I highlight the Clauses of this Bill.

By way of background Mr Speaker, the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) has 40 recommendations which are standard and countries have to comply with in order to tackle money laundering, terrorist financing and the financing of proliferation.
The rating of countries against the 40 recommendations are classified as either compliant, largely compliant, partly compliant or not compliant.

Mr Speaker, during the assessment in 2017, Botswana was found to have serious strategic deficiencies in her anti-money laundering and combating the financing of terrorism and proliferation, AML/CFT/CFP, Framework.
No recommendation at the time was rated compliant; three were largely compliant, 13 were partially compliant, 23 were non-compliant while one was not applicable.

This led to the country being grey listed by FATF in 2018 and blacklisted by the EU in 2020.

Remedial action towards being removed from the grey list and the blacklist became a priority for the country.

This is evidenced by the 25 pieces of legislation passed by Parliament in 2018 and a further six in 2018.
All these efforts led to Botswana being removed from the grey list in October 2021, because 2 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.

34 OF 2021) Second Reading we had largely addressed the deficiencies and attained adequate effectiveness in the implementation of the AML/ CFT/CFP measures identified in the 2017 mutual evaluation review.
As at the end of December 2021 Mr Speaker, the country was rated complaint on seven FATF recommendations, largely compliant on 22, partially compliant on eight, non-compliant on two and one was non-applicable.

During the on-site visit by the FATF delegation in August 2021, Botswana had made a commitment at the highest level to continue strengthening the effectiveness of its anti-money laundering, combating of terrorism and proliferation financing regime.
It is in line with that highest level of political commitment, that Botswana is delivering on its pledge and obligation by addressing the remaining deficiencies.
In this regard, all stakeholders responsible for anti-money laundering and combating of financing of terrorism initiatives recently embarked on a holistic review of the Financial Intelligence Act of 2019, to address the deficiencies identified during assessments carried out by the Eastern and Southern Africa Anti- Money Laundering Group (ESAAMLG) and the FATF.

This resulted in the proposed overhaul of the Financial Intelligence Act and consequential amendments to several other pieces of legislation.
The amendments are intended to address the 10 recommendations where two are currently rated as non- compliant while eight are rated as partially compliant.

The amendments of these laws Mr Speaker will strengthened the anti-money laundering countering financing of terrorism and proliferation efforts in Botswana, and will also put the country in a good position during the next mutual evaluation in 2024.
Mr Speaker, the procedure at ESAAMLG is that after a country has amended its legislation, they are allowed to request for re-rating of FATF recommendations that are still rated non-compliant or partially compliant.

Further, the request for re-rating has to be made at least six months in advance of the ESAAMLG taskforce plenary meetings.

This means that for Botswana the request for re-rating can only be considered during the September 2022 meeting of ESAAMLG.
In its request for re- rating, the country has to submit all other information supporting the request for re-rating to the ESAAMLG Secretariat.

This supporting information refers to the relevant laws, regulations or other AML/ CFT/CFP measures that are in force and effect.

It is crucial Mr Speaker that the Financial Intelligence Bill and others be elected expeditiously for the country to submit a request for re-rating in February 2022.
It is in this regard that through the Office of His Honour the Vice President, the Speakership was requested for a Special Meeting of Parliament in January before the Budget Meeting.

Mr Speaker, I therefore crave Parliament’s indulgence for responding positively to this national duty by agreeing to convene this emergency session to consider these Bills.
Going forward Mr Speaker, I expect that further amendments to the AML/CTF/CFP related laws will only be brought about by new changes that FATF will introduce in the global standards.

Mr Speaker, the enactment of the Financial Intelligence Act has caused consequential amendments to other pieces of legislation.
These are the Companies Act, The Trust Property Control Act, the Societies Act, Proceeds and Instruments of Crime Act, Counter-Terrorism Act, Criminal Procedure and Evidence Act, Extradition Act, Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act, Biological and Toxin Weapons Prohibition Act, Chemical Weapons Prohibition Act, Nuclear Weapons Prohibition Act, Precious and Semi-Precious Stones Protection Act and the Real Estate Professionals Act.
Mr Speaker, my colleagues will present the consequential amendments to the other pieces of legislation.

Mr Speaker, I now wish to highlight the provisions of the Financial Intelligence Bill that has been presented to Parliament.

The Bill has eight parts with a total of 63 Clauses.

Part 1 overs preliminary matters.

Under this part, Clause 2 of the Bill subsumes the definition of beneficial ownership as amended in 2021.
The Clause amends the definitions of business relationship and specified party to make them consistent with the FATF and Global Forum Standards and improve readability.

Further, the Clause amends the definition of prominent influential person to remove religious leaders.
Further, Clause 2 also introduces new definitions such as the definitions of virtual assets, and virtual assets service providers to comply with the revised FATF standards on virtual assets, and definition of a trustee, protector, risk management systems and tip-off.

Part 2 of the Bill provides for the establishment of the Financial Intelligence Agency.

Clause 6 is amended to enable the FIA to disseminate Financial Intelligence spontaneously or upon request to relevant competent authorities.
3 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.

34 OF 2021) Second Reading Part 3 provides for the establishment of the National Coordinating Committee on Financial Intelligence.

Under this part, Clause 8 of the Bill serves the memberships of the National Coordination Committee on Financial Intelligence or National Coordinating Committee on Financial Intelligence (NCCFI) at Permanent Secretary level.
The Clause appoints the Permanent Secretary to the President as the Chairperson of the NCCFI.

Further, Clause 8 expands the composition of the NCCFI to include other critical stakeholders such as the Botswana Defence Force.

The Clause further incorporates a mandate of National Counter-Terrorism Committee to NCCFI.

Mr Speaker, Part 4 of the Bill covers the duty to implement programmes and identify customers.
Under this part, Clause 17 introduces an obligation to register or license agents for money or value transfer service providers.

Clause 24 and 25 prescribe penalties for a person who authorises the establishment of maintenance of anonymous accounts and shell banks or shell accounts respectively.

Part 5 provides for keeping of records.


Clause 36 of the Bill enables the FIA to initiate analysis of information on its own initiative based on information in its possession or information received from other sources to generate a suspicious transaction report.

Part 6 provides for reporting obligations and cash transactions.

Under this part, Clause 44 increases the period of interruption of a transaction to 15 working days.

Part 7 covers referral, supervision and exchange of information.
Clause 48 under this part introduces an obligation to supervisory authorities to prevent criminals from holding controlling interest, be it in management or beneficial owner of entities that they licence.

Part 8 of the Bill provides for general provisions.

Under this part, there is schedule one of specified parties which has been amended to include virtual assets, service providers, trust and companies service providers, while schedule two is amended to include the Department of Mines.
Schedule three has been amended to narrow the definition of accountable institutions for the purposes of the Financial Intelligence Act.

The reason for that is to ease monitoring and supervision of these entities to improve Botswana’s compliance with FATF standards.

Mr Speaker, this concludes my presentation.

Mr Speaker, I therefore beg move that the Financial Intelligence Bill, 2021 (No.

34 of 2021) be read a second time.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Minister.

Order!


Order!

Honourable Members, the question is that the Financial Intelligence Bill, 2021 (No.

34 of 2021) be read a second time.

Honourable Molebatsi Molebatsi.

...Silence...

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga a e debate at Cabinet?

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molebatsi Molebatsi.

…Silence… HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ile Damuchejanaa.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Dr Letsholathebe.


MINISTER OF TERTIARY EDUCATION, RESEARCH, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (DR LETSHOLATHEBE): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Let me take this time also to wish you the best this year Mr Speaker and wish my colleagues the best of luck in the year 2022.

Mr Speaker, ke ema fa le nna jaaka ke itse gore ba bangwe ba tsile go dira jalo, ke ema nokeng Tona yo o sa tswang go re baya Molao-kakanyetso o fa pele ga rona.
Mr Speaker, Molao-kakanyetso o ke tsaya gore o botlhokwa fela thata, o re boleletse.

O ntse a re rerisa gore botlhokwa jwa Molao-kakanyetso o ke eng.

Mr Speaker, ka jalo le nna ke ema fa ke o ema nokeng.

Mr Speaker, the Financial the re-enactment ya Intelligence Act of 2019 e tlaa re thusa fela thata gore re kgone gore re tswelele pele re dirisanye sentle le mafatshe a mangwe.

Go tlhola go buiwa ka the member of the global village.
As a member of the global village, go na le melao e re tshwanetseng gore re e sale morago gore re kgone go dirisanya le ba bangwe mme o ke mongwe wa yone.

Mr Speaker, kgang e ke batlang go simolola ka yone ke go leboga Tona le botlhe ba ba kwa lephateng la gagwe, ba a neng a thusanya le bone, Permanent Secretaries le ba bangwe go bo ba ne ba dirile tiro e ntle thata.

We have seen this coming towards end of last year, re ne ra bona re ntshiwa from the greylisting.
Se se ne sa diragala ka gore ba ne ba dira tiro e ntle fela thata.

Re ne re utlwa gore ba 4 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.

34 OF 2021) Second Reading ne ba tsena masigo ba fetisa melao mo Dipalamenteng tse di fetileng.

Ke sengwe se re tshwanetseng go ba iteela legofi ka gore ke sengwe se e leng gore ga se motlhofo.

Gantsi fa o tsentswe mo greylisting o lejwa la leitlho le lengwe, mme gore o tswe foo, ke mathata.
Ka jalo, ke kope the 12th Parliament gore le rona let us do the little bit which is left gore re kgone go tokafatsa seemo sa rona sa madi.

Mr Speaker, kana dikgang tse tsa the FATF, ke dingwe tse di kgonang go tsisa kgotlang fa gareng ga matshe le ba botlhe ba ba tshotseng sepatšhe.

Ka jalo, fa re sa sala melao e morago to the latter ra ntsha se o neng Mr Speaker o se bua, o bua gore go na le kgang ya gore go nne le moritinyana.
Fa re sa ntsha moritinyana oo, re ya go felela e le gore re salela kwa morago mo dilong tse dintsintsi.

Mr Speaker, Botswana as the founding member jaaka Tona a sa tswa go bua ya the Eastern and ESAAMLG, re tshwanetse gore e nne rona ba re nnang kwa pele, re dire dilo jaaka go tshwanetse, re sale melao morago jaaka go tshwanetse.
Ka jalo, ke sengwe se e leng gore fa re ka fetisa molao o ka bofefo jo bo tlhokafalang Mr Speaker, re ka kgona gore re tle re sale melao morago e e leng gore gongwe e ka re thusa.

Mr Speaker, we have lot of challenges, COVID-19 has humbled us, e re rutile gore re itse gore go ikaega fela mo teemaneng le mo dilong tse dingwe tse e ka tswang e le ditswammung tse dingwe le tourism, ga se gone.
Re ne re bona Tona maloba a re baya pele kopo ya madi gore o batla go kopa madi kwa mafatsheng a mangwe, mme se ga re ka ke ra se kgona Mr Speaker, fa e le gore melao ya rona e e dirisanyang ka tsa madi ga e a nna sentle.

Ka jalo Mr Speaker, ke sengwe se e leng gore ke ema fano, ke ema nokeng molao o gore re o baakanye.

Re tswa kwa dikgaolong Mr Speaker, indeed batho ba tle ba bue ka shopping lists, re tla ka shopping lists tse dintsi thata.
Batlhophi ba rona ba kopile dilo mo go rona, ba re supegeditse matshwenyego a ba nang le one, a mangwe a re a iponetseng.

Batlhophi ba rona ba batla matamo go nosa dikgomo tsa bone.

Clinics tsa bone ga di mo diemong tse di siameng le dilo tse dingwe tse dintsintsi tse ke ka di balololang fa re ne re na le nako Mr Speaker.
Se se tlaabo se raya gore ka seemo sa madi a rona, itsholelo …(Inaudible)… ga diteemane le tse dingwe jaaka tourism jaaka ke sa tswa go bua, di tlhokana le gore di thusiwe ka gore madi ga a mantsi ka koo.
Fa re sa dira gore re baakanya molao o, go ya go nna thata gore re lebalebe kwa re ka bonang thuso teng, kwa e leng gore le fa re ka bona thuso, bangwe ba kgona go tshaba ba re, ‘nnyaa ga re dire le lefatshe le re sa le tlhaloganyeng gore le dira jang, gongwe re le neela madi a rona to finance dilo tse e leng gore ga di a siama.’ Molao o ke one o o ka re thusang gore re tswe mo kgannyeng ya go nna jalo.

Batlhophi ba rona ba a lela le baithuti Mr Speaker.
Ke tsaya gore o ka tswa o bone ba lela ka dikgang tse ba batlang dikokeletso tsa dituelo.

Segolobogolo e le go lela gore ga ba kgone go nna mo hostels.

Dikgang tse di ntseng jaana kana fa di ntse fa pele ga rona, go ya go nna le mathata gore re ka kgona go bona a go ka dira ditlhabololo tseo tse ba di tlhokang.
Sengwe se re eletsang go se dira ke go dirisa lenaneo la Public Private Partnerships (PPPs) gore re nne le boramadi ba ba tswang mo lefatsheng leno le ba ba tswang go sele go tla go re thusa go ka dira ditlhabololo tse di tshwanang le bo hostels in our institutions.

Jaaka re dule mo greylisting, re santse re na le dingwe tse di saletseng kwa morago.

Re ka se ka ra kgona ka gore se se ka dira gore ba ba kwa ntle ba ba ka nnang le madi ba tshabe go bereka le rona.
Ka jalo, ke sengwe se re tlhokanang le gore re se dire ka bonako.

Mr Speaker, terrorism e a runya mo Southern Africa.

Re a bona kwa mafatsheng a re bapileng le rona kwa the northern part ya Mozambique kwa Cabo Delgado gore terrorists di koo di a senya di dira mathata.

Ke sengwe se se supang gore fa re sa itsolopaganya ra baakanya melao ya rona, re tlile go nna ba re dirisiwang, madi a tswa kwa a tswang teng to finance terrorists tseo.
Ke sengwe se e leng gore rona re ka re sena maikaelelo a go dira dipe tse di phoso, mme fela ba bangwe ba kgona go bona loophole Mr Speaker gore ba kgone go e dirisa.

Ka jalo, ke Molao- kakanyetso o re tshwanetseng gore re o tsibogele, re nne a very trustworthy nation.

We are a trustworthy nation but we should also be seen as one.

Dipampiri tsa rona di supe gore re siame, sengwe le sengwe sa rona se ne se siame.

Ke sengwe se ke neng ke batla go feta ka sone Mr Speaker.
Re-enactment ya molao o Mr Speaker, e tsile go tla le bana ba yone; consequential amendments tse di tsileng go re thusa.

Ga go tle go thusa fela gore ra re we are filling in the blank spaces gore FATF e tle e re tseye tsia, ke go dira tse dingwe tse di tsileng go re thusa Mr Speaker.

Ke mongwe yo o dumelang gore maranyane mo gompienong ke sengwe se e leng gore re le Batswana re ka itshetsa ka sone, mme o fitlhela go le bokete fela thata.
Ba bangwe fa re leka go dirisanya le bone kwa ntle, o ka tswa o le a YouTuber, o dira dilo tse dintle, o 5 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.
34 OF 2021) Second Reading bina hosana o tsenya videos tsa gago mo YouTube, kwa mafatsheng ba amogela madi fela sentle go tswa kwa bathong ba ba ba salang morago, mme rona ofitlhela re na le challenge because batho ba le bantsintsi, motho o ipotsa gore tota yo o binang hosana yo fa ke ntse ke mo tshelela madi, a mme madi a teng a ya go felela a dirisiwa sentle.

e leng gore jaaka Tautona a tlhola a rotloetsa, re tseye karolo mo dikgannyeng tse.
Ba ye go bereka gone koo, e nne matlho a rona, ba nne ba re tlhagisa gore re se ka ra tloga ra boela gape re nna grey listed.

Ke sengwe se e leng gore we need to encourage that.

We have done a good job.

I always said and I am saying it now go ruta Batswana.

Kana batho ba le bantsintsi they are very careful gore madi a bone a ba a bereketseng a dira jang.

Ke sengwe se se tlaa re thusang gore le rona re nne part of dikgang tsa go nna jalo.
Batswana ba na le kgatlhego ya go ka dira madi, go ka tsena mo ditlhabololong.

The crypto currency Mr Speaker, e gantsi Batswana ba e itseng thata ya the bitcoin, Batswana ba le bantsintsi ba latlhegetswe ke madi mong wa me, ba na le kgatlhego ya go ka tsenelela tsone dikgang tsa crypto currency.

Ba tsenelela fa gongwe kitso e se ntsi.


Fa gongwe e le gone gore ba bangwe ba mafatshe a mangwe ba tla bo ba re nnyaa, kana lona le santse le sa letlelesege, mme tsenya ka account ya me gore o kgone gore o dirise this crypto currency.

Se se ne sa felela se dirile gore Batswana ba latlhegelwe ke madi a mantsintsi, ba felela ba nna le go sa nna le tshepo.

Kana the train is moving, if we do not become of that moving train, re salela kwa morago.
Dikgang tse di ntseng jaana, di tlile go dira gore re phuthologe le rona, re tseye karolo mo go tsone jaaka o utlwa go buiwa Mr Speaker, which I may not have time to debate, the virtual assets gore le rona re kgone gore re tle ka melao e e leng gore e tsamaelana le segompieno.

Ke ka jalo ke reng, this is a very welcome move.

Mr Speaker, one of the things tse gongwe ke neng ke batla go feta ka tsone ke gore, we need to encourage Batswana gore ba kgone go tlhaloganya melao e sentle.
Kana fa gongwe melao fa e dirwa batho, ba tsaya gore e direlwa go kgokgontsha ope kana goreng.

Kgangkgolo ke gore mongwe le mongwe a dire a phuthologile.

Fa melao e ntse sentle fela e tlhomame, ga go na bothata, batho botlhe ba lefatshe ba tlaa itse gore nnyaa ga re itsewe fela ka gore re barata Kagiso, mme le go dirisanya le ba bangwe ke sengwe se e leng gore re a se itse.

Sengwe se ke nnang ke eletsa gore se diragale Mr Speaker, ke kgang ya gore Batswana need to go out.
They need to go and join the global village ba bereke, e re ba le koo ba romele pounds, Dollars kwano kwa Botswana.

Re batla gore se ba se dire go phuthologile.

Kana ke a itse gore bangwe ba ne ba bua le nna maloba ba nthaya ba re nnyaa, kana le fa ke setse 2 Pula ke re ke sendela kwa Botswana, fa ke tsena mo go bo Western Union, gatwe nnyaa mme Botswana go santse go na le dikgotlhangnyana dingwe tse di tshwanetseng gore di fetisiwe pele.
Mr Speaker, se se tlile go re rontsha gore le rona economy ya rona e ka gola.

Ke selo se e leng gore molawana o fa o ka fetisiwa, Batswana ba tlile go kgona go ya go bereka kwa mafatsheng a sele.

We should stop being people ba e leng gore re tsaya gore fa o fetsa Degree ya gago, ke gore o bereke mo Botswana.
Encourage them le toro e ke kileng ka e lora gore jaaka re ba fund jaana, gongwe fa madi a ka nna teng, re kgone to fund them ba kgone gore ba tsamae, motho a fiwa 6 months gore a ye go tshela kwa a yang teng le return ticket, e bo e nna a rotating fund.

A kgone gore a le koo a buse madi ao a thuse ba bangwe.

Go ka se ke ga kgonagala fa e le gore melawana e ga e a baakanngwa Mr Speaker.
Ka jalo, jaaka o bona e bile ke nnile wa ntlha gongwe e bile e ka nna ya re ke fetsa tota ka re a buile, gongwe re bo re fetisa molao o ka gore tota o botlhokwa fela thata.

Mr Speaker, I want to support the Minister of Finance and Economic Development with the Re-enactment of the Financial Bill 24, 2021.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR MOATLHODI (TONOTA): Ke tsaya sebaka se motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente go go lebogela sebaka se o se nkadimileng tshokologo eno go latlhela legonnyana tlhwara.
Good afternoon Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, fa ke tla kwa bokhutlong, my remark ke re re le Batswana re …(inaudible)… le bo ESAAMLG.

Ke dingwe tse e leng gore jaaka Tautona a sa tswa go bua gantsintsi, let us make sure that re nna part of makgotlana a, gore bana ba rona ba ba tlaa bong ba le koo, ba nne ba re tlhaba podimatseba; fa e le gore Setswana se a rialo, ba nne ba re tlhagisa ka dilo tse.

We have one of the best drafters in the world.


Ke sengwe se Ntetla Morena wa me motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente go leboga le go galeletsa thata Batlotlegi; motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Shoshong Honourable Lesaso gammogo le Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Kgalagadi North, Motho wa mme, Mma Monnakgotla.

Ke ba lebogela boikarabelo jo bo kanakana jo botona jo motlotlegi rraarona Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona a ba tlhomileng mo go jone.
6 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.

34 OF 2021) Second Reading I further take this time Mr Speaker to congratulate the old and the very tame white horse, very experienced expert on Local Government matters, and he is none other than Kgotla Kenneth Autlwetse who Radio Botswana reported this afternoon that he shall be our new Minister at Local Government and Rural Development, Rraagwe Tirelo.
Ke tsee sebaka gape motlotlegi Rraetsho Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente go leboga le Batlotlegi Matona a masha ba ba tlhomilweng bo Rraetsho Shamukuni fa e le gore ke utlwile radio sentle, mme ke dumela gore ke e utlwile sentle, le botlhe ba ba isitsweng kwa maphateng a Puso a a farologaneng.
Ke batla go tsaya sebaka se go lopa Modimo rara gore kgalalelo e e kileng ya tshitshema mo go Moshe a eteletse tšhaba ya Israel e le mo phudugong, mosi wa leokwane o o kileng wa kueletsa mo go Kgosi Solomon go etelelela setšhaba sa nako eo, Modimo rara a di tshololele tsotlhe mo ditlhogong tsa Matona a rona ka ba rwele mathata a lefatshe.
Le ene motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona ke lebogele letsogo la gagwe ene le monnawe, letsogo la gagwe le letona go bo e ne ya re kwa bofelong Modimo wa le kaetsa gore leba fa o se ka wa leba fa.
Gangwe le gape ke tshela ke bua motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ka re fa o le mo phathing e e busang, o le mo backbench, all Government backbenchers continue to remain as Ministers in waiting…(silence)… Fa ke sena go akgola batsadi ba ba rona Motlotlegi Rraetsho Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke bo ke lotswe Batlotlegi Mapalamente across the aisle gore re tlhotlhome, re tshematsheme kwa morago ga Matona a rona gore re ba thuse go tsamaisa lefatshe, ka le rona ba re seng Matona, we are charged with responsibility of running this country.
Re tshwere Puso le bone, ba itse gore re a ba thusa.

Ke lopele botlhale, finally mo ntlheng e, Rraarona motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, Mbidzi, a botlhale jo bo neng bo neilwe Kgosi Solomon.

Le wena rraetsho bo tswelele bo le mo go wena le monnao gore Ntlo eno ya tlotla lo e etelele ka botlhale jo bo senang bolekanyetso, ka bopelotelele, bopelotheri le bopelontle jo o ntseng o na najo le bopelonamagadi.
Mme ke lebogele thata le badiredi ba Palamente for serving this Honourable Parliamentarians so diligently at any time of the year, at any time of the day.

Re a goroga re tswa dikgaolong gompieno, fa ke le kwa kgaolong kwa ke kopa thuso, a ke tshwara ofe mmereki wa Palamente, o tlaabo a re tshwara jalo rra re go batlele thuso, e tlaa re kgantele e bonale.

A Modimo o le thuse bana ba rona, le tswelele le tshwara lefatshe leno ka natla.
Coming now to the matter that is before the House, ga re ke a bo ke go akgotse Rra Dineo maloba, o ne o bua botswerere ka ba ka go lopela Modimo gore tswele ...(Inaudible)… ke ba akgola.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ne o alela kgang.

MR MOATLHODI: Ke ne ke alela ngwana wa Botate.


Fa ke santse ke le mo ditebogong, ke leboge pele, gongwe ke tloga ke felelwa ke nako ke ise ke leboge Tona wa tsa Madi le Economic Development go tlhokomela itsholelo, Motlotlegi Mmaetsho Peggy Serame, and indeed le babereki kwa lephateng la gagwe ba ba dinatla mo go kanakana.

Ba ba tsereng sebaka to craft this very important, this highly intelligent and easily interpretable Clauses of the new law.

Ke lebogile bongwanaka.


Kwa kerekeng e ke e tsenang go na le pina e e reng ‘tshwarang thata badumedi, ineeleng go rapela, le bitse leina la ga Jeso ka tumelo.’ Ga go motlhofo, lefatshe leno la rona e rile mo malobeng fela jaaka Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente e kile ya re moso wa gompieno a bua lefoko la botlhokwa a re seriti moriti, lefatshe leno la rona le ntse le wetswe ke moriti o montsho, re tshasitswe.
Kana fa o ka re motlotlegi rraetsho, any of these important Parliamentarians, ke Rraago Pule, ke ene ke mmonang a apere hempe e tshweu.

Wa mo gasa ka boloko, go tswa fa le fa e le mosadi yo o setswerere mmaago Atlega a ka tlhatswa hempe e tshweu e, go tlaa nna go ntse go sala matoditodinyana gore hempe e e ne e gasitswe ka boloko.

Lefatshe leno le ne le gasitswe ka boloko ka moriti o o ntseng o re wetse.

One moriti o o ntshitse lefatshe la rona seriti.


Gangwe le gape fa ke dira research Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, mafatshe a e leng gore gangwe le gape a welwa ke moriti o montsho o ke a a senang Puso e ntle.

Ke mafatshe a a senang tsamaiso e ntle ya tsa madi le ya itsholelo ya mafatshe a one.

Gangwe le gape re a itsege, re tswa kgakala, re tswa goo Lowe re itsege gore lefatshe leno la rona le ntse le tsamaisiwa, re tsamaisa merero ya rona ka botswerere jo bo senang bokankabetso.
Lefatshe la rona ke setungwane.

Dipampiri tse dingwe fa o di bala Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, tsa re ‘the Republic of Botswana remains the jewel of Africa,’ mme ba galaletsa yone tsela e re tshwarang madi le itsholelo ya rona ka yone, as well as the political stability that has long and continue to reign in this country.

Le fa o bona ke bua Sekgoa jaana Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke a ikotlhaya e bile ke kopa maitshwarelo.
Ke ne ke omanngwa kwa kgaolong kwa gatwe ke rata 7 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.

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Ke a go leka ka bojotlhe gore Palamente e ke a go bua Setswana, fa ke palelwa ke lebetse ka Setswana ke tlaa bua ka Sekalaka kana ka Sesarwa, ka tsotlhe ke dipuo tse ke di itseng ka botswerere.
Motlotlegi Mmaetsho Tona, Clauses, ditemana, menangwana yotlhe e o tlang ka yone e re simolola go tsholetsa matlho jaanong re leba kwa dithabeng, kwa thuso ya rona e tlaa tswang.

Re simolola go tsholetsa matlho gore fa re simolola go apara hempe e tshweu e e iseng e gasiwe ka boloko jaana, re solofela gore babeeletsi ba tlaa simolola go kgatlhegela go tla go tlhoma madirelo a bone mono mo lefatsheng la rona.
Fa go na le selo sengwe se Motlotlegi Rraetsho Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente le Batlotlegi Mapalamente a tlotla se lefatshe leno le se nyoretsweng, se lefatshe leno le se tlhokang is creation of employment.

Bana ba rona kwa Shashe Mooke, Mandunyane, Mabesekwa, Loomboko, kwa kgaolong tlhopho ya botlhophi ya Tonota; a ke kwa Ramotlabaki kana kwa kae, ba tlhoka ditiro.
Fa re simolola re betla ditsamaiso tse di ntseng jaana, re wela mo lefokong la Setswana le le reng ‘sedibeng go iwa ka tsela.’ Re solofela gore botlhe ba mafatshe a ba batlang gore ba tle go tlhoma madirelo ba tlaa tla ka pele ka jaanong itsholelo le tsamaiso ya rona le batlhatlhobi ba ditsamaiso tse ba simolola go re galaletsa.
Selo se ka bosone Motlotlegi Mmaetsho Tona, re tshwanetse re kanole sehuba, re kanole phega re ikiteye mo magetleng gore re letleletse batlhalefi ba ba itseng ka ditsamaiso tse gore ba tle go tsena mo lefatsheng la rona gore ba re tlhatlhobe.

Ga re a fitlha sepe, ga re lefatshe le le fitlhang sepe, yone tsamaiso e ka jalo e tlaa re dira gore re bonale re le batho ba re direlang dilo mo pontsheng.
Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, motlogolo wa me Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Tati East yo a bileng a le Tona ya tsa Thuto e Kgolwane, bontsi jwa mafoko ke tshaba go a bua ka gore o ntseetse mafoko a me, ke motlogolo wa me.

Ke batla go tsaya sebaka se Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, once more ke tlhalose my unhidden support on this Bill.

My unhidden dedication on the sterling work that the Honourable Minister and her able staff have done.

Mr Speaker, I support the Bill.


MR KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE WEST): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, gore o bo o mphile sebaka le nna ke buise Molao-kakanyetso o wa Financial Intelligence Bill, 2021 (Bill No.

34 of 2021).
34 of 2021).

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke simolole fela ka go eleletsa ba toropo ya Selebi Phikwe, bogolo jang Selebi Phikwe o o Bophirima, gammogo le wena Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente le Mapalamente otlhe a gago le Batswana ka kakaretso, katlego le ngwaga o mosha wa 2022 o o babalesegileng.

A Modimo a nne le lefatshe la Botswana, a le nesetse pula, le nne le kagiso le thibibalo go tswa gompieno go ya ka bosayeng kae.
Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke tlhalose gore re setse re utlwile Tona ka tlhaloso ya gagwe ya gore ke eng fa Melao-kakanyetso e e motseletsele e e tlile mo Palamenteng le gore ke eng re biditswe ka tshoganetso.

Maikaelelo ke gore moriti o o neng o buiwa ke Honourable Pono Moatlhodi o tswe mo go rona, bogolo jang kgang ya grey listing e e neng e dirilwe ka ba FATF, e re duleng mo go yone ka di 21 October ngwaga o o fetileng.
Se se sa ntseng se ntshwenya, Honourable Serame o tlaa mpaakanyetsa fa e le gore go nnile le diphetogo.

Ke dumela gore ba European Union (EU) have still blacklisted us as a country at the moment, ke dumela gore ke around October 2020.

So re sa ntse re na le one matshwenyego ao.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, maikaelelo a molao wa Financial Intelligence ke gore o thuse melao.
O tlile ka ngwaga 2009, maikaelelo a matona e ne e le go lwantsha ka Sekgoa mo gotweng fiscal and revenue crimes, ke gore melato e tsamaelanang le madi le itsholelo kana go gopela itsholelo.

Re bua ka maikaelelo a go leka go hema melato e e tshwanang le money laundering kana go tlhatswa madi a a bonweng ka tsela e e seng yone.

Maikaelelo e le gore tse di tshwanang le fraud and racketeering di fele.

Go utswiwa ga dithoto tsa Puso ke gore, theft of Government assets, embezzlement and tax evasion.
Melato e e akaretsang ya itsholelo le madi, e ye kwa tlase.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, a re lebelele gore go simolola molao o nna teng ka 2009 go tla go fitlhelela gompieno, re ntse re le fa kae re le lefatshe?

Re ntse re dira jang mo melatong e tshwanang le ya itsholelo kana ya madi.

O tlaa gakologelwa Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente gore dikgang tsa melato ya madi kana e e amang itsholelo e e botlhabetsi, e ka diga lefatshe.
Ke gore financial scandals kana corporate scandals ke dilo tse di ka amang itsholelo kwa godimo fa di ka se ka tsa elwa tlhoko.

Ke sone se re leng Palamente, re tshwanetseng go tsenya leitlho thata mo dikgannyeng tse di tshwanang le tse.

Re a itse kwa mafatsheng a sele dikgang tse di tshwanang le tsa scandal sele sa Bernard 8 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.

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Scandals tse di tshwanang le tsa boEnron tsa 2001, Dieselgate kana Emissionsgate tse di neng di akaretsa dikompone tsa Volkswagen (VW).

Scandals tse di tshwanang le tsa boLehman Brothers ke dingwe tsa dikai tse e leng gore mo mafatshefatsheng re ka di supa gore di ne tsa leswafatsa mafatshe ao.

Re a itse gore kwano re ne ra leswefadiwa thata ke National Petroleum Fund (NPF) le Capital Management Botswana (CMB) scandals go akarediwa le tse dintsi.
Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, lefatshe la Botswana go simolola kwa morago go tla go tsena ka 2009 fa molao o o nna teng, re ne re ntse re le vulnerable.

Go le bobebe gore re ka nna lefatshe le le tshabelelwang ke financial and economic crimes, melato e ya itsholelo.

Sengwe se e leng gore se ne se itshupa morago ga molao o o ntse o le teng ke gore, dikotlhao di kwa tlase fela thata tsa melato e e tshwanang le economic crimes.
Fiscal and revenue crimes mo Botswana dikotlhao tsa teng di kwa tlase le gore fa o di tshwantshanya let say lefatshe la America; if you are involved in a financial scandal e bo o felela o bonwa molato kwa kgotlatshekelo, 30 years o a wela motho a ntse a le kwa kgolegelong.

But kwano re nna vulnerable in part because the penalties kana dikotlhao di kwa tlase fela thata.
Fa o lebelela, go na le diagente dingwe tse di kileng tsa lebisiwa molato, ba bo ba bonwa molato wa go utswa madi, mme madi ao a ne a le kwa godimo ga million.

Ga ke gakologelwe go na le ope wa bone yo o kileng a tsena mo kgolegelong more than six months, kana fa ke sa fose more than ngwaga.

Fa o lebelela molato o, o bo o lebelela le yo o utswileng podi kana kgomo, nnyaa oo ke five years or 10 years mo kgolegelong.
A re baakanyeng dilo tse ka gore Batswana ba a di ngongoregela gore a ba ba utswang millions le bone ba ye kwa kgolegelong dingwaga tse di telele.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, go kile ga nna le se sengwe scandal sa go utswiwa ga madi kwa Bank of Botswana, ke ne ke santse ke tsena kwa University of Botswana (UB), ke dumela gore ke ne ke dira second year.
Fa o re o lebelela dikotlhao tsa teng, o re o di tshwantshanya le tsa fa motho a utswile podi kana kgomo, nnyaa o bona gore fiscal and revenue crimes batho ba itswela fela.

Re le lefatshe, we continue to be a conduit for illicit financial flows.

Batho ba ba utswileng madi kana ba fetisa madi, ba kgona go a fetisa ka lefatshe la Botswana mme re ntse re nnile le Molao-kakanyetso o. Ga re ise re ye kwa tlase mo dipalong tsa tshenyetso-setšhaba le go gopela itsholelo.
Se sengwe se se tlhobaetsang Batswana le go feta ke mo e leng gore ba ba bonweng molato, bogolo jang ba re tsayang gore re ka re ke the big fish, fa ba tsena kwa makgotlatshekelong go lebega ditsheko tsotlhe di latlhegela Goromente.

Low conviction rate; ke mathata a matona a Batswana ba a lebeletseng.
Ba ipotsa gore a re tlaa tsamaya re bona corporate executives, Permanent Secretaries (PSs) kana batho ba maemo ape fela ba companies tse di tonatona, the Chief Executive Officers (CEOs) ba ba nnang ba gogagogiwa kwa courts, big business people, go nna le conviction at the end of the day.

Jaanong go na le dipotso tse dintsi gore a go na le mathata a tlhotlhomiso gore cases tse dingwe are politically motivated?
Go na le dipotso tsa gore a ba ba tlhotlhomisang ba itse se ba se dirang, kana ba ba sekisang ba itse se ba se dirang?

Ke dipotso tse di tshwanetseng re di arabe Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Se sengwe ke gore, go direla dilo mo pontsheng, re santse re tlhaela re lefatshe la Botswana notwithstanding enactment of this law in 2009.

Re santse re tlhaela ka go dira dilo mo pontsheng le go arabela se Goromente a paletsweng ke go se dira kana a se dirile.
Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, re santse re na le mathata a wastage and leakages tse di neng di buiwa ke Honourable Matsheka, Minister of Finance and Economic Development then, gore di tsamaela kwa go 37 per cent.

Mo e leng gore fa o re o a balela, o fitlhela e le P5 billion o o tsenang through the cracks re sa itse gore madi a teng a felela a le kae.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke dumela gore fa re lebelela mo Molaokakanyetsong o, re tshwanetse to address dikgang tse.
Clause 8 e bua gore National Coordinating Committee on Financial Intelligence (NCCFI) yo o tlaabong a e eteletse pele, e tlaabo e le Permanent Secretary to the President (PSP).

My considered view ke gore, tota fa o lebelela PSP, re bua ka motho yo o arabelang kwa ofising ya ga Tautona.

Let us try to address independence ya makgotla a a tshwanang le a.

Re nna re lela ka Directorate (DCEC), on Corruption and Economic Crime Ombudsman and Auditor General gore ke makgotla a a sa ikemelang ka nosi.
Financial Intelligence Agency (FIA) e ntse ke makgotla a a tshwanetseng go thusa a a ikemetseng ka nosi a a bonang gore dilo di dirwa ka tshiamo including even bagolo ba ba tshwanang le the President, Vice President (VP), Ministers, Members of Parliament (MPs) and the society at large.

Jaanong fa o tsaya yo e tlaabong e le Chair e nna PSP, yo e leng gore is appointed at the helm and …(inaudible)… of the President, nnyaa, re na le mathata a matona.
9 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.

34 OF 2021) Second Reading Tona, moeteledipele wa FIA, tota o kare o ka bo a tlhomiwa ka tsela nngwe e e faphegileng e go tlaa sekeng go nne bonolo gore re bo re bona se se neng se diragala jaaka kwa DCEC.

Mo dingwageng tse tharo, re setse na le Director Generals tse tharo e le gore President can fire and hire jaaka a batla.

Re kile ra bona Office of the President (OP) gape e leka go sutisa staff kwa DCEC.
These are the things tse e leng gore FIA will remain vulnerable to, fa e le gore ga re e dire completely independent.

E tshwanetse e nne independent le fa e le gore ga e ka ke ya nna completely independent but e nne independent.

E bo mandate wa bone ba o dira ka tshosologo ba sa boife gore motho o ka kojwa kana konteraka ya gagwe ka emisiwa.

Mo Clause 17 o bua ka anonymous accounts; I think ya anonymous e tshwanetse e lebelelwe thata.
Re dumela gore fa go ka nna le kgang, bogolo jang re itse gore bangwe ba tila kgang ya anonymous kana there are some countries tse di nang le anonymous, ba bangwe tota they are complete, absolute tax havens.

Batho ba kgone ba ise madi gone koo.

Fa gongwe re tshwanetse re lebelele gore what sort of penalties can be meted on those people ba e leng gore they are citizens of this country mme ba felela ba siisa, ba a isa kwa makgotleng a a tshwanang le ao.
Clause 44 e bua ka reporting obligations; mo go yone fa ke lebeletse dikgang tsa reporting of suspicious transactions, e siame.

Honourable Minister, at implementation se re se kopang ke gore, ga re batle go bona dilo tse e leng gore reporting obligation jaanong e fetoga e nna politically motivated.

Fa e le gore ke account ya ga Honourable Saleshando, gongwe mongwe a tsenya donation ya Botswana Congress Party (BCP), gore tsaya madi ke a o ise kwa BCP, e bo e le gore is a red flag.
Fa e leng gore gongwe ke Honourable Segokgo, million a tsena in his account, nnyaa ga go na mathata.
E kile ya re Tona yo mongwe ka Palamente ya bo 11 ka mo raya fela ke re, “ga ke itse gore babegadikgang ba ne ba go tshaba eng ka go ne ga nna le whistleblowing ya gore go na le madi mangwe a a neng a tsena mo account ya gago ka nako ya fa re ntse re lebeletse primaries le ditlhopho tse dingwe.” Jaanong dikgang tse di tshwanang le tsone tse, o bona fela gore motho o receive madi a a kalo, nnyaa, ga go raise red flag, ga go na le fa e le mathata.
Ke a itse, fa e ne e le wa kganetso, o ka bo a kile a salwa morago, ga batlwa go itsiwe gore madi a a kanakana a a tsenang mo account e ke a eng.

So, a re se ka ra bona politically motivated e le gore jaanong batho ba setswe morago, mme e le gore ga go na lepele le morago.

Mr Speaker, ke tshwenngwa ke gore, jaaka ke ne ke bua ka kgang ya independence, gore we need to adequately address independence ya makgotla a a tshwanang le one a.
Se sengwe se re tshwanetseng gore re se address ke oversight because in my view, reading through the Bill, ga ke bone oversight e le gore it is well spelt out.

I know, FIA appears before Statutory Bodies Committee, ya ga Dr Never Tshabang.

Able-bodied hands tsa ga Dr Tshabang, ke dumela gore o ka tlhodumela, a bona gore ke eng se se sa tsamayang sentle, ke eng se se tsamaileng sentle.

Ke mo tshepha thata fa go tla mo dikgannyeng tsone tseo.

I think he is adequately trained.


He has Master of Business Administration (MBA) and three other Degrees tsa Chemistry and experience ya board memberships.

Ke dumela gore he is capable.

My problem ke gore, oversight e, it is not well spelt out because kana fa o lebelela mandate wa komiti ya ga Honourable Tshabang, kana it is to look gore budget e ba e neetsweng a ba e dirisitse sentle.
In terms of delving into the mandate deeper, re tshwanetse gore bagaetsho gone fa, Palamente re e fe dithata tsa oversight.

Tota e bile e ka bo re e fa yone Palamente thata ya gore e recommend for appointment, fa e le gore gongwe an independent body like the Judicial Commission (JC) cannot appoint the head wa FIA.

Re enhance Parliamentary oversight, le tabling of the report, e ka bo e dirwa fa pele ga komiti ya Palamente, to account fully for its mandate.
FIA should be able to account for its mandate and execution of its mandate, implementation of this Act, e bo e le gore jaanong ba appear before a Committee of Parliament, not to just scrutinise or examine the books of accounts as it is the case with the Statutory Bodies Committee ya ga Honourable Dr Tshabang.

So that is my submission Honourable Speaker with respect to oversight and accountability to yone ya Palamente.
Ga ke bone gope fa go buang gore ba ba ka se keng ba dirise maemo a bone sentle a ba a fiwang ke Lekgotla la FIA kana ke molao which establishes FIA, gone go raya gore ba ka tseelwa dikgato tse di ntseng jalo.

I am not able to see this go bona gore… because you see, when you lead or o le part of institution e e tshwanang le yone ya FIA, ke gore kana o a bo o neetswe power e tona.
E re bonang e le gore currently power e, it is misused ke lekgotla le tshwana le la Directorate of Intelligence and Security (DIS).

Ga re batle a replica ya se se diragalang kwa Lekgotlaneng la DIS, where power and position of responsibility is misused.

Misused targeting political opponents le batho, e le gore lekgotla la DIS le nna le lose cases kwa court, le nna le sekisiwa 10 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.
34 OF 2021) Second Reading (sued), go na le mathata a mangwe a one a ne a buiwa ke Honourable Dow, a re sa bolong go a bua re le ba kganetso, go simolola fela fa lekgotla le le simolola.

Jaanong, Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, when we re-enact FIA, we ought to have had in mind gore ba tlaabo ba tshwere power kana ba ntse ba tshwere power e tona, e e leng gore fa e le gore ga go na accountability mechanism and punitive measures tsa misuse ya ofisi, consequences tse di ka nnang teng ke eng.
Re bone go begilwe gompieno mongwe wa badirelapuso gore he lied under oath, ke gore a forger affidavit, a bo a e submit a supa gore, ga a re ba re, o sure gore go dirilwe acts of financing of terrorism, a bo a ntsha affidavit.

Re bua jaana e le gore ke kgetsi e e kwa mapodiseng, e e isitseng ke General Khama gore motho ke yo o akile mo affidavit.

Fa o akile mo affidavit, o bonwe molato, lekgotla le go atlhotse katlholo e e kwa godimo, ke dingwaga tsone tsa bo seven years mo kgolegelong.
Re bua jaana e le gore nnyaa, ga go na le fa e le epe kgato e e tserweng.

Jaanong fear ya rona ke gore, fa o tsaya lekgotla le le tshwanang le la FIA o le empower, e le gore it is a financial intelligence, a bo e le gore gongwe ba bopela motho kgomo ya mmopa, namane ya yone a bo a e kotelwa, nnyaa, go tshwanetse gore go nne le dikgato fela tse di gagametseng, di tsewe, e bile di appear mo Molao-kakanyetsong o.
To fabricate melato fela gotwe motho is a terrorist, go bo go tlholwa go tabogilwe ka ditlhobolo dramatising kwa court, ke tsone dikgang tse fa go buiwa ka makgotla a a tshwanang le one a bo FIA, re tsenwa ke tsebetsebe ya gore re dira jang.

Re ithutile jang mo nakong e e fetileng ka fa melao e e ntseng ka teng.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, molao wa FIA, ke a bona gore go na le 15 other pieces of legislation which will augment kana their consequential amendments to yone FIA.
Ga re ka ke ra fitlhelela maikaelelo ao, fa re ka se ka ra tlisa Molao-kakanyetso o o tlhabololang Corruption and Economic Crime Act because bontsi jwa melato yone ya fiscal and revenue crimes, kana fa gotwe economic crime, e le mandate wa DCEC, re a itse gore mandate one o, is captured under the Corruption and Economic Crime Act.
Fa re ka se ka ra nna le lekgotla le le ikemetseng ka nosi la DCEC, le le nonotshitsweng, le na le batlhotlhomisi ba tlhwatlhwa, le ikemetse ka nosi, le seyo mo Pusong, le na le meno, le sa bogole fela, nnyaa, go tlile go nna thata gore Lekgotla la FIA le fitlhelele mandate wa lone.

Kana go supa gore mandate ya yone e bile e a tsamaelana, ke dumela gore mongwe wa basimolodisi ba lekgotla lone le, o ne a tsewa kwa DCEC, mme gompieno o kare o bereka golo gongwe kwa mafatsheng.
Fa re ka se ka ra nna le melao e e gagametseng, e e lebaganeng le yone kgang ya fiscal and revenue crimes, nnyaa, re tlile go tswelela re lela senajwa, re tlaa lela se bo se kgala.

Mme sone se se re tlhobaetsang ke gore tshenyetso-setšhaba le go gopela itsholelo di ntse di a gola, di kwa godimo.

Ba maemo a a kwa godimo, conviction rates are very low, such institutions are not independent, they are not accountable to Parliament.

Oversight of these institutions is still very low.


Jaanong fa re ka deal le tsone dikgang tse, ke tlaabo ke sena mathata a gore Molao-kakanyetso o o tshwanang le one o, re ka o ema nokeng.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

OF TRANSPORT MINISTER AND COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke simolola ka go go dumedisa ke re dumilani Mbizi.

Ke bo ke dumedise le Batlotlegi Mapalamente, ka e bile ke gone re kopanang mo ngwageng o mosha wa 2022.
Ke ba eleletsa ngwaga o o nang le katlego, o o tletseng boitumelo.

Ke bo ke boe gape ke galaletse Honourable Keorapetse, le fa a ntirisa ke le sekai ka tsela e ke sa tlhaloganyeng gore ke eng a dira jalo.

Ke mo akgole gore mo bosheng, o okeditse lelwapa la gagwe ka lesea le ke solofelang gore gongwe le na le kgwedi fela kana gongwe go tlola kgwedi.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke dumedise gape ba Tlokweng, ba ba nthomileng kwano gore ke tle ke nne mo Palamenteng, ke tswe lentswe la bone.
Mo bogompienong, re bua ka molao o ke dumelang gore o molemo mo go bone, e bile o molemo mo Batswaneng ka kakaretso.

O ke dumelang gore rotlhe re tlaabo re dumalana ka one.
tsa Palamente, ke gore ke Se sengwe se ke batlang go simolola fela kwa tshimologong ke se dira Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo leboge Mapalamente gore mo leetong le re ntseng re le tsaya, la go dira dipaakanyo tsa molao, gore re kgone go ntsha lefatshe la Botswana mo seemong se le neng le le mo go sone sa grey listing, tota re ntse re le seoposengwe.
Seoposengwe se re ntseng re le sone, re le ngata e le nngwe, se setse se re file maduo a gore jaaka go setse go boletswe, ka di 21 tsa ga October 2021, ke fa re ntshiwa mo grey listing.

Se se diragalang jaanong, le kopo e e tlisiwang ke Tona wa madi Mme Serame, ke gore tota re konetelele, re tlhomamise gore go tswa mo grey listing e jaaka re dule mo go yone, ga re kitla re boela kwa go yone.

Ke sone 11 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.
34 OF 2021) Second Reading se ke santseng ke tlaa kopa Mapalamente gore re nne seopo sengwe seo gore re fetise molao o. Ka mafoko a a ntseng jalo Mr Speaker, ke eme kopo e ya ga Tona nokeng ya gore re fetise Molao o o šafaditsweng o wa Financial Intelligence Act.

Se sengwe gape se ke batlang gore ke se senole ke gore, tota gape selo se ke go diragatsa maitlamo a rona a re neng re a tsentse mo manifesto wa rona re le party Mr Speaker.
Fa o ka ntetla ke ka eletsa gore ke nopole fela ka bokhutshwanyane fa re buang ka sone se re se diragatsang gompieno.

MR SPEAKER: Please do Honourable Member.

MR SEGOKGO: I quote Mr Speaker, this is on page 33 under the Finance and Banking.
Under our promises Mr Speaker re bua jaana and I quote, “strengthen financial eco-systems and to enhance compliance with international obligations and standards.” Go na le tse dingwe Mr Speaker tse ke neng ke ka di nankola, mme tota sa konokono ke tsholofetso e e neng re e solofeditse Batswana gore re ya go tswelela re nonotsha tsamaiso tsa rona tsa madi, e bile re bo re dira gore mo go di nonotsheng jalo, re bona gore re tsamaisa sentle jaaka mafatshe a mangwe, ka fa seelo se ba se beileng se tlaabong se ntse ka teng.
Mr Speaker, ga se sone fela se re dirang seo ka sone, gore re a bo re batla go tlhomamisa gore re na le gone go tsamaelana le ka fa ba FATF le ESAAMLG, ba supang gore re tsamaise tsa merero ya madi ka teng.

Batswana ba tshwanetse go tlhaloganya gore molao o ka bo one fela o re siametse re le setšhaba, o siametse itsholelo, le go aga itsholelo ya rona.

O tsamaelana le maikaelelo a rona a go tlhabolola itsholelo ya rona.

Seo ka bosone fela se raya gore molao o ke o re tshwanetseng to support it.
Ke batla ke gakolole jaana, kana se re se buang fa ke gore, re leka go thibela madi a e leng gore yo a tseneng mo go ene, a tsene ka tsela e go neng go na le borukutlhi, molato… ke ntse ke bona Honourable Keorapetse a remeletse mo go financial crimes, mme tota ke dumela gore go atologile, ka gore mo gongwe e a bo e le gore o ka tswa o dira dingwe tse e leng tsa borukutlhi gape, mme e le gore madi a o a bonang ka borukutlhi jo, o boa o a kopanya le madi a e leng gore gongwe ke a dikgwebo fela a a siameng.
Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo o bo o a kopanya otlhe, e bo e nna e kete ke madi a a siameng.

So tota fela se re tshwanetseng ra se gakologelwa ke gore, molao o o thusa gore o heme borukutlhi ka bophara.

Ke sone se Batswana ba tshwanetseng gore kwa ntleng ga gore re bo re lebile gore we comply, ba tlhaloganye gore molao o o re thusa ka ke molao o o thusang go lwantsha borukutlhi.
Mr Speaker, ke batla gore ke re madi a a bonwang ke batho ka borukutlhi, bogolo jang e le dikgwebo, ke madi a a bayang dikgwebo tse e leng gore ra re they are legitimate business, tse di tsamaisiwa ka fa molaong, fa ba phadisana le batho ba ba tsayang madi ka borukhutlhi…(inaudible)… dikgwebo tseo ka fa mosing.

Selo se se borai mo go ageng itsholelo ya rona.

Madi a a ntseng jaana …(inaudible)… sentle ka fa molaong.
Re tlaa nna le seemo se e leng gore jaanong itsholelo ya rona fela ka bophara e ikaegile ka dikgwebo tse e leng gore ga di tsamaisiwe sentle.
Mr Speaker, ke eletsa go supa gore Tona wa madi o ne a supa ka botlalo gore tota e kete ba FATF ba batla gore e re fa re lwantsha borukutlhi jo bo ntseng jaana, jo bo itebagantseng le go tlhatswa madi a borukutlhi kana gore o tlisa madi a go rotloetsa ba e leng bo ntwa dumela kana ba re reng ke terrorists, tota ba lebile gore bone ba tlisitse go tlhokisa ledula mo setšhabeng.

Re tshwanetse ra lemoga gore go na le metlhalenyana e mentsi e e dirisiwang ke batho ba ba dirisang madi fa go ntseng jaana.
Ya ntlha ke e ke neng ke bua ka yone e gotweng blending, e madi a borukutlhi le a kgwebo fela e e lebanyeng a kopanngwang.
Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo ke batla gore ke gatelele kopo e gone e ntse e ntshiwang mo Palamenteng, e le kopo ya gore tota re tshwanetse jaanong re dire gore dikgwebo, bogolo jang tse di tlaabong di na le letseno le le kwa godimo, le re tlaa bayang tlhwatlhwa ya teng, ke sa eletse gore ke e beye gompieno, mme ke ka a fa sekai gore, fa o na le turnover of above the million kana bo five million, go tlame dikgwebo tse gore tota fela ba tshwanetse gore dituelo tsa bone e bo di dirisiwa go dirisiwa digital payment.
Dituelo tsa bone e se ka ya nna gore ba amogele dituelo fela tse e leng gore ga di fe motlhala, ke gore ba amogela madi, ga ba ntshe dilo tse di tshwanang le receipts jalojalo.

Ka gore fa ke gone fa ke dumelang gore botlhabetsi jo bontsi bo nna teng, ka gore madi a e leng gore ke a borukutlhi le a e leng gore ke a kgwebo e e siameng, a kopakopana ka teng.

Madi a borukutlhi kana fela ka fa go dirwang ka teng go dirwa gore go a bo tilwa dilo tse di tshwanang le lekgetho jalojalo.
Selo se ke se kopang fela thata ke gore, re fefoge mo go boneng gore tota re leka gore re dirisa metlhale e e botoka ya gore dikgwebo di amogele dituelo gore re tle re kgone go hema seemo se.

12 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.

34 OF 2021) Second Reading Metlhale e mentsi Mr Speaker.

Go na le gone go dirisa accounts tse di kwa ntle ga lefatshe.
Fa gongwe motho a tsaya le madi a, a a tsaya fela ka dipalo tse molao o tlaabong o mo leta a feta a a tsenya kwa accounting tsa mafatshe a mangwe, a bo a boa a a busetsa jaanong mo lefatsheng a dirisa borenyane, transferring jalo.

E ntse e le fela go fitlha motlhala wa gore kwa tshimologong madi a tota ga se a kgwebo fela e e siameng.

Mr Speaker, ga ke eletse gore ke nne moleele mo go emeng Tona nokeng, mme ke tlaa re fela gongwe ke ise ke wele … MR KEKGONEGILE: On a point of clarification.

Tanki Tona.
Tanki Tona.

Tona, on your last statement sa money laundering, motho o ka botsa gore, ke gore seemo se se tshwanang le moeteledipele a fiwa shares ke kompone, a di fiwa mahala a sa di reke, go tswa foo shares tseo a bo a di rekisa di mo direla millions, gone mo o go classify fa ka eng?

Bill e e tlaa kgona go lebelela diemo tse di ntseng jalo ka gore ke dingwe tsa dilo tse gongwe international organisations ba di lebileng, ba bona e le gore indeed it is part of money laundering?

Tanki.
Tanki.

MR SEGOKGO: Ke a leboga Honourable Kekgonegile.

Gongwe ga ke na go kgona go go fa karabo e e wetseng.

Se ke se tlhaloganyang ke gore kana Bill e yone e tlhamaletse.

Fa e leng gore go na le mo go ka tweng o a gweba o bona dipoelo, go a tlamega gore go bo go itsagala gore yo o amogelang madi le yo o ntshang madi, ke bo mang.

Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, kana se se teng go tlaabo go supega gore fa shares tseo di neelwa mongwe, o di neelwa mo tseleng le ka mabaka a a ntseng jang.
E re go tweng foo, kana fa e le tsa gagwe, ke tsa gagwe, le ene fa a tsweletse a ka di rekisa kana a dirisa se a letlelelwang mo molaong gore o ka se dira ka tsone, e tlaabo e ntse e le tsone transactions tse di mo mpaananeng.

Fa e le gore di amana gope le seemo sa gore o ne a di neelwa ka gore go ne go tlhatsiwa madi mangwe, ke tsaya gore seo se tlaa itshupa Honourable Kekgonegile.
Mma ke fete ka gore gone e ne e le gore go wela ga me ke ntshe ketsaetsego e gongwe Honourable Keorapetse a neng a ka e tsenya bangwe.

Nnyaa, ga gona fa ke bonang account ya me e ka dirisiwang gore ke fetisitse madi to the party.

Party e na le account e bile ga e tsamaise ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Le nna ga ke na keletso ya gore ka letsatsi lepe ke ka eletsa account ya me gore e bereke ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.
Se se salang le gone, yo o tlaabong a nneela madi ao o tshwanetse gore le ene re bo re kgona go supa who the beneficial owner is.

Fela ke ka tlhomamisa gore ga ke gope fa ke batlang golo mo ka gore tsamaiso ya rona at the party e tlhamaletse, ga se e e ka mphang gore ke amogele madi ke a isa kwa phathing ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Mr Speaker, ke ne ke bua gore ga ke eletse gore nna moleele, ke ema Tona nokeng ka one mafoko ao.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you very much Minister.


Honourable Monnakgotla followed by Honourable Ramogapi.

OF MINISTER LOCAL ASSISTANT GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MS MONNAKGOTLA): Good afternoon Mr Speaker.

Ke leboge bone ba Kgalagadi North ba ke ntseng ke bereka le bone Mr Speaker, ke na le diphuthego le bone.

Ke ba bolelele gore ka ke tsholeditswe maemo ke nnete Mr Speaker, ba itumetse, ke ba leboge fela thata.
Ke leboge le Mapalamente, re ntse re bereka sentle le babereki ba Palamente, bo Clerk fela jalo Mr Speaker.

Ke simolole ka gore Tshutiso e Mr Speaker, ke e ema nokeng.

E botlhokwa ka gore e ama itsholelo.

Re tshwanetse gore re e tsenye leitlho mme e bile e re re e bua, re e bue sentle ka matsetseleko ka gore re bua ka matshelo a Batswana.

Fa re sa bue sentle, re ya go ama matshelo a Batswana ba le bantsi Mr Speaker.

Ke sone se ke reng re e bue sentle.


Ke tseye sebaka se go leboga ene Tona go tlisa Tshutiso e mo Ntlong e gore re le Mapalamente re tle go e buisana re e lebelele.

Tshutiso e Mr Speaker, ke bona e le botlhokwa fela thata ka gore ke mangwe maiteko a bo Tona ba tshwanetseng go dira dipaakanyo dingwe gore di bonwe ke bone ba FATF.
E bile ba FATF ba rotloetsa lefatshe la Botswana gore ba di dire go lwantsha money laundering le financing of terrorism jaaka re bona mo mafatsheng a mangwe mo Africa, matshelo a bone a le bokete Mr Speaker.

Ke leboge le bone ba FATF ga mmogo le ESAAMLG go bo ba ne ba sekaseka molao wa rona wa Financial Intelligence mme e bile ba ne ba re rotloetsa gore re baakanye ditshetlana dingwe mo molaong.

Ba di lemogile gore go botlhokwa gore tota re di lebelele re di baakanye.
Mr Speaker, fa go nang le madi teng go batla go tsenngwa leitlho ka gore boferefere bo bontsi.

Motlotlegi Tautona Masisi, Tona Peggy Serame le ba Lephata la Finance ba dirile tiro e tona maloba ka October 2021 ka go baakanya mengwe melao gore ba FATF ba ntshe Botswana from the greylisting.

Mr 13 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.
34 OF 2021) Second Reading Speaker, ke support this Bill ka gore fa Palamente e ka se ke e dumalane le yone, re ya go boela kwa morago.

Go boela kwa morago, re ya go boela gape mo botlhokong.

Fa re boela mo botlhokong, mme dilo tse re itse gore di raya eng, di implicate eng in our country’s foreign investment environment jaaka cross border transaction, go ya go nna bokete gore foreign businesses di kgone go bereka le dibanka tse di mo Botswana.
Ke sone se o bonang ke simolotse ka yone gore a re tsenye leitlho, a e re re bua re le Mapalamente re lebelele mme e bile re bue re lebeletse matshelo a Batswana.

A o Motswana kana mogwebi, dilo tse di ya go re baya ka fa mosing fa re sa di bue sentle Mr Speaker.

virtual assets and virtual service providers ka October 2021.
Le rona re le Puso, re ne ra dira maiteko ra sala ditshetlana tse morago go baakanya molao o gore virtual assets and virtual service providers di nne in line with the …(Inaudible)… financial institutions.

Re lebelele sentle batlotlegi.


Ke bo ke supe gone gore, molao o o ka kgona go dira virtual asset service providers gore ba tlamege to report suspicious transactions and they keep records, le go dira customers’ due diligence go lwantsha elicit financial flows; one madi a a tlhatsiwang ao a re sa a batleng… (inaudible)… should be out of the country.

Dilo tse Batlotlegi fa re ka di tsenya leitlho, re ka ya kwa pele.
Fa Palamente e ka amogela Tshutiso e, Tona Mmusi Kgafela le ba Botswana Investment and Trade Centre (BITC) ba tlaa kgona go ngokela Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) mo lefatsheng la rona ka gore mafatshe a tshwana le a United Kingdom (UK) le European Union (EU), ba batla confidence gore ba kgone go dira dikgwebo tsa maemo a a kwa godimo le rona.

Dilo tse fa re sa di dire sentle, di tlaa re baya ka fa mosing.
Ke bua jaana le ke Mopalamente wa Kgalagadi North mme e bile maloba ke ne ke biditse ba BITC kwa kgaolong ya Kgalagadi North kwa Zutshwa.

E le gore re batla gore ba BITC ba re batlele investors.

Gore ba kgone gore investors di ye kwa Zutshwa, gore batho ba Kgalagadi North ba kgone go bona ditiro, ke fa re ka lebelela molao o sentle, re le mmogo re le Mapalamente, re le mo.
Dilo tse ga di reye fela jalo, re a itse gore teng kwa Kgalagadi North re balemi-barui, ba Botswana Meat Commission (BMC) ba batla market.

Re bua ka gore re ya go dira kgwebo le mafatshe a mangwe.

Gore o bereke le mafatshe a mangwe, ke fa dilo tsa gago di siame, tsa madi di siame.

Le wena yo o kwa Maun fela jalo o le morui, di a go ama.

Jaanong fa o bua o le Motlotlegi Kekgonegile, itse gore o ya go baya morui yo o kwa Maun ka fa mosing.
O e lebelele thata, o e tsenye leitlho thata motlotlegi, ke dilo dingwe tse e leng gore di batla re di baya fela jalo.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O se ka wa lebala settlements.

E bile ke leboge gore Tona Serame o tsisitse Tshutiso e pele ga re dira budget e re yang go e lebelela go simolola ka October 1st, gore re tsenye leitlho mo teng ga madi fela jalo.

Bill e fa o ka e lebelela sentle, e ya go tsamaisanya le tsone fela tse dingwe jalo.
Le gone gore re dumalane le tsone, ke go nna di baakanya ditshetlana tsotlhe.

Lefatshe la rona le ya go felela le tswa gotlhelele mo grey list.

Ke le reye ke re Batlotlegi, COVID-19 e re rutile gore re tshwanetse gore re bereke thata.

Fa re bereka jalo, re ya go bereka thata, mme e bile re batla gore bone balemi barui le yone BMC e re batlele mmaraka.

Gore re bone mmaraka, ke fa dilo tsa rona di siame.

COVID-19 e re rutile gore re tshwanetse gore re itirele dijo mo lefatsheng la rona.
Ga re a tshwanela go bitsa dijo tse tsotlhe gore di tle mo lefatsheng la rona, e re rurile gore re bereke thata.

Dilo tse ke lebogela Tona Serame gore a bo a tsile ka tsone ka gore di tlile go tokafatsa itsholelo ya rona.

Le mo thutong, fa re bereka thata, le bana ba rona di tsile go ba ruta go bereka thata.

Di tsile go ruta bana ba rona gone gore ba ithute thata, le mafatsheng a sele a itse gore ke lefatshe la kagiso, ga re na dilo tse di sa nnang sentle jaaka ke bona Tona a tsisa dilo tse dintle tse.
Lefatshe la Botswana mme e bile fela jalo ...(inaudible)... le bagwebi ba bua ka Botswana, ba bua ka gore re batla yone nama ya Botswana e tle mo Mozambique ka gore rona re itse tsone ditlhapi fela.

Ke dilo tse e leng gore di tlaa re baya sentle.

MS MONNAKGOTLA: Ke buile ka settlements rra, ke buile ka Zutshwa gore re na le letswai, ba BITC ba re batlela investors fa e le gore re tlaa lebelela Tshutiso e sentle.
Mma ke supe gore ke itumelela gore Puso ga e ise e diege go baakanya molao wa Financial Intelligence ka gore ba FATF ba ne ba ntshitse updated guidance on Fa o lebelela molao o, o bua ka madi, mme o bua ka gore kana fa o bua ...(inaudible)…la go nna botoka.

Go ya go nna le ditiro, letlhoko la ditiro le ya go fela.

Ke dilo dingwe tse e leng gore ke ne ka di lebelela mme ka bona gore Tona o tsisitse Tshutiso e ka nako e e siameng.
Mma ke go leboge Tona ka gore ga ke a tshwanela go nna moleele ka gore tota Tshutiso ya gago e tlhamaletse.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

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34 OF 2021) Second Reading MR SPEAKER: Thank you madam.

Honourable Ramogapi.

MR RAMOGAPI (PALAPYE): Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke re mma ke go eleletse katlego mo ngwageng wa 2022 rraetsho le ba lelwapa la gago.
Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ga go na ope yo o ka ganang molao o, a ema fela a re ga re o batle.

Se re ka reng ga re se battle, ke dilo dingwe tse e leng gore di a fatlha mo Pusong ya mo Africa, mme molao one o phepa.

Ka go rialo, ke leka go supa gore melao e e ntseng jaana re etle re e fetise re lebeletse lefatshe, gore lefatshe le tlhoka melao e ntseng jaana, mme ba ba busang bone e bo e re kwa thoko ba bo ba tsaya molao o ba o sokamisa, ba o senya, ba bo ba o isa go sele.
Mma ke simolole ka go tsena mo kgannyeng fela ke re, kana fa re lebelela tiro le maikaelelo a FIA gore e na le dintlha di le nne tse e leng gore tota konokono ya tsone e tshwanetse ya di dira.

FIA tiro ya yone e tona ke gore e kope kitso nngwe ya madi mo mafatsheng mangwe fela a re ka tswang re bapile le one.

Tiro ya bobedi ke gore e bo e e amogela yone kitso eo ya madi.

Tiro ya boraro ke gore e bo e sekaseka kitso yone eo ya madi gore they analyse, request and receive, analyse information.
Ntlha ya bo four ke gore fa ba sena go nna le yone tshekatsheko eo ya kitso ka madi, ba bo jaanong ba e phatlalatsa ba e isa kwa batlhotlhomising ba boammaaruri ba ba tshwanang ba borre Tymon Katlholo; DCEC, ba sepodise, jalojalo.

Ke yone tiro ya bone e tona Mr Speaker.


O fitlhele go swabisa, e bile go tlhomola pelo e le gore se re se bonang gompieno mo lefatsheng la Botswana, re tshwanetse gore re ka bo re bona FIA e dira tsone ditiro tse, e bile e bo e nna kwa pele mo ditirong tsone tse, e re fa go ka nna le bothata, e bo e re bagaetsho, we have requested the information about P100 billion, re kopile kitso gore madi a P100 billion a kae, a dule jang.
Ba tshwanetse gore ba bo ba ema kwa pele ba re bolelela gore nnyaa re utlwa fa e le gore gatwe P100 billion o o dule, re sekasekile, ke boammaaruri, madi ao a tsamaile a le kanakana.

Ba bo ba tsaya yone information eo ba e neela makgotla a bosekise.

Mo lefatsheng la Botswana e le teng yone FIA e, fa o re o a e botsa, ba re ga re itse, o itse gore ke eng re tshaba go ikgolega.

O bo o bona gore lefatshe la rona ga le tsamae sentle ka fa tshwanelong.
Tshwanelo le tsamaiso ke gore ba bo ba re bolelela ba papametse ba re raya ba re re nnile le information e e borai thata go sireletsa lefatshe la rona, mme dilo tse Mr Speaker, ga re bone di diragala.

Ke batla gore ke tsene ka bofetshwana mo clause e nngwe.

Go na le Clause 10 e e supang gore Minister can declare gore motho ke terrorist.

Hee!

Mr Speaker, ke gore o neela lepolotiki gore le bue gore Ramogapi ke terrorist ke emela le ditlhopho ene, o ithaya o re o ka ntesa?
E ya gore fela go ise go ise go ye kae, o bo utlwa gotwe nnyaa Rre Boko, Rre Saleshando kana Rre Ramogapi ke terrorist, ka gore re bone dilo tse Mr Speaker, mo ditlhophong tse di neng di feta.

E ne e re fela fa ba bona Tautona Rre Boko wa UDC a feta, gatwe a a eme re mo sekaseka.

Dilo tse ke tsone tse ke di buang ke re molao o ga re ka ke ra gana o o ema nokeng ka gore re rata lefatshe, mme moAfrica fa o mo neela dithata tsone tse, o tlaa utlwa.
Fa e ne e le sengwe, ka gore mafatshefatshe kana molao o o tswa gone kwa go bone ba FATF e le recommendation gore nnyaa mme Tona can declare gore motho ke terrorist, jaanong ba ba maAfrica bone ga ba itse go dirisa dithata, ba tloga ba re bitsa terrorists fela rotlhe re tlala ka ditoronko.

A golo fa go sekasekiwe gore mme fa e le gore Tona o ka go bitsa terrorist a go iphetlhela, wena jaanong o itsheke kae.

Molao o ga o na tetla yone e. Fa re ka neela maDomkrag blank cheque yone e, re mo mathateng.
Ka boikokobetso, a re lebeleleng Clause 10 gore a mme tota ga e ka ke ya tloga ya dirisiwa botlhaswa.

Ntlha ya me ya bone Mr Speaker, ke batla gore molao o e re fa re o sekaseka jaana, re simolotse re tsenya poo e nngwe mo ntlong, mme kamoso re tlaabo re na le mathata.

Ke gore re dira DIS e nngwe gape.

O bona molao o o siame mme ga o na oversight gore tota gatwe fa ba ka dira dilo dingwe ka phosego, Batswana ba ikuele kae.
Re na le bagwebi ba e leng gore Mr Speaker, nna kwa kgaolong ya me bagwebi ba ba tlhwaafetseng accounts tsa bone were once frozen.

E bile ka fa ke itseng ka teng Domkrag, dinako tse dingwe fela ke gore mme ke fe sekai ka nna ke ke le Rre Ramogapi jaana; fa e ne e le gore ke moDomkrag ke bo ke re ke eletsa go emala ditlhopho le Rre Tsogwane tsa bodulasetilo jwa BDP.

Ke gore accounts tsa me will be frozen.

Ke tlaabo ke sa nne le access ya madi.

Ke dilo tse di teng mo lefatsheng la Botswana.


Dilo tse a Batswana ba bolelelwe gore mme fa e le gore batho ba ba ka abuse molao jaana, re ikuela kwa kae.

Kana go utlwisa botlhoko Mr Speaker, gore re bo re tsere molao o o neng o le botlhokwa wa Declaration of Assets gore batho ba bolele dithoto tsa bone, re bo re o fokotsa and relegate it fela jaanong e nna mo gotweng Asset Register.
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Jaanong gompieno ga e sa tlhole e le molato to declare your assets e bile fa o sa declare, ga go re sepe gatwe o tlaa nna o rotloediwa fela.

E bile yo o ka buang gore assets tsa gago di kana, ke ene yo o molato.
Ke gore o kgona go bona gore Domkrag ga e ikaelele go baakanya, e ikaelela go senya fela.

Mr Speaker, fa go na le batho ba ba tlaa re tsenyang mo mathateng mo lefatsheng la Botswana ke bagolo ba lefatshe le.

Bagolo ba lefatshe le re a ba rata mme re ba gakolole.

Fa o ka utlwa mogolo a ntse a re, “ke filwe mpho, donation ya bokana”, kamoso, “ke filwe kwa donations ya bokana”, ke gore golo mo fela fa le lebeletse Batswana, a gona le motho yo o ka go fang P2 million mahala, a go fa P3 million mahala?
Ga a yo.

Dilo tse ke tsone tse re reng kamoso go tlaa bo gotwe lefatshe la Botswana le na le mathata, madi a ne a tlhatswiwa.

Re re a dilo tse di lebelelwe, di sekasekwe, go bo go bonwe gore mme bagolo bone ba gakololwa jang gore mogolo ga go dirwe jaana, re a go thusa.

A nne le batho fela ba ba mo gakololang sentle.

Batho ba bangwe ba bobedi Mr Speaker, ba ba ka tsenyang lefatshe la Botswana mo diphatseng tse ditona ke bahumi.
Bahumi a e ka nna ba Botswana, a e ka nna ba South Africa, bahumi ba dinaledi ba ke bone ba e leng gore ke mathata.

Kana go na le selo se sesha malatsi a gatwe state capture.

Ke gore fela fa a batla gore jaanong ene mo dikgannyeng tsone tse tsa go tlhatswa madi tse, o tlaabo ba tshwara Tautona le Puso e e busang, go bo go raya gore dilo tsa bone di feta fela.

Ke gore o kgona go bona e le gore Leburu le tla ka diteraka tse pedi fela, kamoso diteraka tsa gagwe di a gakgamatsa mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
O bo o ipotsa gore jaanong motho yo khumo e e kanakana e o e tsere kae.

Fa o re o a re, o fitlhela e le gore nnyaa o tshwere Goromente o mo fa sengwe le sengwe, sponsors Domkrag sengwe le sengwe mme a bo a felela e le gore motho yo ga a molato.

Re re a bahumi ba tsenngwe leitlho, go tlogelwe batho ba ba basetlha.

Batho ba ba basetlha ga ba ka ke ba tsaya madi a mantsi ba a isa gope, ba ba tshwanang le bo Ramogapi.
Molao o thatathata o dirisiwa ke bahumi ba dinaledi ba e leng gore ke ditsala tsa maDomkrag.

A golo mo re go eleng tlhoko.

E nne bone fela ba le ba tlhodumelang kgapetsakgapetsa.

Jaanong re a bo re itse gore one molao o re o fetisa jaana, o a bo o tsoga e le gore jaanong o kgokgontsha Batswana ba Modimo ba ba senang le fa e le madi, ba ba itshwanelang le bo Ramogapi jaana.

Kgang ya bofelo Mr Speaker, ke batla gore ke fetse ka yone.
A molao o Mr Speaker, re se ka ra ya go o dirisa mo dikgannyeng tse di bitswang gotwe settling old scores kana settling political scores.

Ke gore mo e leng gore fa o sa rate motho fela, o tlaabo o re monna yo ga ke mo rate mme jaanong I will declare gore ke terrorist.

Monna yo ga ke mo rate mme jaanong I will freeze accounts tsa gagwe.
Go tswa foo kamoso fa gotwe motho yo a ye go ikuela, go bo gotwe ga gona kwa a ka ikuelang teng ka gore motho yo a neng a go sekisa… Ke gore motho a go iphetlhela fela, go sena le fa e le kgang fa e teng, le fa e le motswedilenyana.

Kana ra re ene motho yo a a tseelwe dikgato.

Fa re re motho yo o simololang dikgang a tseelwe dikgato, gatwe nnyaa a a tlogelwe fela.

Motho yo gatwe fa a tlogelwe fela, yo o go senyang leina gatwe nnyaa go tlaa duela Goromente.

Gatwe fa o na le tsheko go sekisiwe Goromente.


Bagaetsho, re tshwanelwa ke gore re sireletse madi a lefatshe la Botswana.

Re tshwanelwa ke gore re sireletse madi a e leng gore a teng a dirwa ke rona, ke madi a rona a makgetho ka gore fa motho a dira bohahalele ka bomo, o tshwanelwa ke gore a di arabele.

Go na le gore re bo re re jaanong re tlaa mo isa kwa kae, Goromente ke ene a tlaa mo duelelang ka gore o ne a theogetse.

Tsone dilo tsa mofuta o ra re ga di ka ke tsa isa lefatshe la rona gope.
Molao ka boone Mr Speaker, ra re re a o amogela, o siame.

Mathata go a bo go tlaa tla motsaya-kgamelo.

Ba a bo ba tsile go di dira.

Ba a bo ba tsile go di dira maDomkrag re a ba itse, ga re ba rutwe Mr Speaker.

Ka re kamoso o a bo o tlaa utlwa gotwe ke gore ba a re tshwarwa, ba a re kgokgontsha.

Fa re re re a re gatwe nnyaa kana ke molao, ke lona le o fetisitseng.
Re batla go fetisa molao o re ntse re re bagaetsho, ga re batle go dira DIS e nngwe gape e e leng gore ke sebonda fela, ke gore ga re itse le gore re ka itheng e le gore go kgokgontshiwa Batswana ka one.

E bile Batswana ba ba kgokgontshiwang go sa kgokgontshiwe fa gongwe ba kganetso fela, ke gore go kgokgontshiwa ba kganetso le section e nngwe ya Domkrag e e sa batliweng, batho ba Modimo ba bogisiwa go bogisiwa.

Mr Speaker, molao o ga re o gane.


Re batla gore re o amogele, re o fetise ka go ba baya thupa re ba raya re re re a itse, le a bo le ya to abuse it maDomkrag.

Mafoko a rona a gatisitswe, Batswana ba tlaabo ba ntse ba reeditse gore a le ya go dira jaaka le tlwaetse.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke ema nokeng Bill e gore e fete.

HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Tla ke go leboge, ke bo ke go dumedise mo ngwageng o mosha.
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34 OF 2021) Second Reading Ke dumedise Mapalamente a a tlotlegang.

Ke bo ke dumedise bareetsi kwa magaeng.

Ke bo ke leboge gore Tona a bo a tsile ka Molao-kakanyetso o o tlaabong o patilwe ke Melao-kakanyetso e mengwe ya Matona a mangwe jaaka ba tlaabo ba ntse ba tla ka yone.
Molao o o botlhokwatlhokwa, ga o tlhokane le gore re bue re o ise kgakala jaaka sebui se se sa tswang go bua, se e leng gore sone fela sengwe le sengwe mo go sone ke Domkrag.

Jaanong ke leboge dibui tse dingwe tse di buileng, tse di neng tsa itebaganya thata le molao, le botlhokwa jwa molao o ntlheng tsotlhe tsa Ntlo.

A e re pele ke ise ke tswelele, ke lebogise Matona a masha a a sa tswang go tlhotšhwa.
Ke bo ke leboge Mr Speaker, gore Mma Serame a bo a eme ka dinao a tsile ka diamaramara kwa Palamenteng mme e bile re itse sentle gore se se mo tsisang ka diamaramara ke eng.

Lefatshe la rona le e leng gore gompieno le santse le duba thankga e e bidiwang grey listing.

Ke mosepele o re o tsereng wa go bona gore re sireletsa lefatshe la rona re le ntsha mo seemong se mme re tshwanetse go dira jalo ka bofefo, ka manontlhotlho.
Dikgang tse re di buang tse ga se tse re di itlelang fela, re tla jaana re sekasekilwe, re lemositswe gore re tlhaela fa kae jaaka Tona a sa tswa go re bolelela.

Kana fa ga gona magoma a a ka dirwang.

Re bonye ka 2017 re saletse kwa morago re bo re ya go wela mo seretseng ka go goga dinao mo go neng go diragala ka nako eo.
Jaanong gompieno re ithutile, re baba lebadi fa re bua ka melao e ya ESAAMLG, re bua ka bo FATF, makgotla a a okametseng go bona gore madi ga a dirisetswe borukuthi e bile ga a tsene ka bokukuntshwane mo lefatsheng.

Ditsuulodi re setse re itse gore go buiwa ka ga eng.

Di kokota mo dikgorong tsa rona mo Southern Africa.

Re bona se se diragalang kwa lefatsheng la Mozambique, re koo re a thusa.
Dilo tse di ntseng jaana, tsa re re di emele ka dinao, re di lwantshe re tshwaragane le mafatshe a mangwe le makgotla a mangwe a a ka re thusang.

Ke supe jalo Mr Speaker gore melao e e ntseng jaana, e rotloetsa Puso mo go se e batlang go se dira.

Re itse Puso gore e ntse e bua thata ka dilo tsa go dirisa boranyane jwa segompieno mo go gwebeng.

Go gweba go tsamaisa itsholelo e e ikaegileng ka go rekisa dithoto kwa ntle.
Dilo tse tsotlhe tse di raya madi a a amogelesegang, ditsamaiso tse di amogelesegang le ba re tlaabong re gwebisana le bone.

Fa re ntse re dira jaana, re monela marulana pele.

Re leka gore re nne phepa.

Re kgone go bereka sentle le mafatshe a mangwe.

Tautona wa rona re bona a leka go re lomaganya le mafatshe a mangwe.

Re bona le rona re rwele kwa tlhogong makgotla mangwe a a tshwanang le Southern African Development Community (SADC), Mokwaledimogolo yoo e le ngwana wa rona.
Jaanong dilo tse di ntseng jaana, di re dira gore re ikiteye ka thupana re le lefatshe.

Ke boela sentle mo Bill e ya ga Motlotlegi Mma Serame ka bokhutshwanyane fela ke sa die nako e telele.

Ke amogele komiti e ya National Coordinating Committee on Financial Intelligence (NCCFI) that is being reconstituted.

Ke dumalane thata le yone.

Bao botlhe ba ba balolotsweng le ministries tseo, ke tse di thusanang le kgang e ya borukutlhi jwa madi.

Di ka thusa thata mo ditlhotlhomisong, ba ka nna bagakolodibagolo.
Ke amogele komiti eo ya maloko a 19.

Ke e amogele jaaka e ntse mo Part 3 ya Bill.

Pele ga ke ya kgakala Mr Speaker, jaaka ke bua ke re a re ikiteyeng ka thupana, molao o o dirwa ke rona mapolotiki fano.

Ga re o direle ope, re tshwanetse re bo re le mo teng le rona.

Jaaka dibui dingwe di ntse di bua, fa ke supa ka botlalo, Motlotlegi Rre Ramogapi o ntse a bua thata ka Domkrag.
Nnyaa, a re kgaoganeng le dikgang tsa sepolotiki fa re dira molao o tshwana le o. Mapolotiki re rata go dira melao mme re sa batle gore e re ame rotlhe.

Fa go diragala sengwe, o utlwa motho a re, it was politically motivated.

Ke setswe morago ka sepolotiki, whether ke wa kganetso kana wa phathi e e busang.

It is either a supa gore ke setswe morago ka gore ga ke dumalane le sennanne kana sepolotiki sa me ke sa kganetso.

Mokgwa o, ga o ka ke wa re thusa gore re dire melao.
Batho ba lemoge gore re a bo re tlhwaafetse fa re dira melao.

A re dire melao, fa e le gore go na le sepolotiki, se tlaa supafala.

Makgotlatshekelo a teng a ikemetse a tlaa dira ditiro tsa one.

Molao o, o na le dikatlholo tse o di beileng tse ke dumalanang le tsone thata.

Fa ke lebile kgang e, e tona, ke boP500 000.

Tse dingwe go lebega mo borukutlhing jwa money laundering go dirwa madi a mantsi, a e leng gore fa gotwe go atlholwa P500 000 mo go bao ga se sepe fela.
Ke dingwe tse re tshwanetseng ra di lebelela, re bona gore a mme golo mo, ke mo go ka tshabisang batho gore ba se ka ba dira tiro e ba e dirang.

Re bua jaana re ratile thata temana e nngwe gone mo e e reng, a go dirwe ka bofefo.

Dirukutlhi fa di tswa fa, di a go iphitlha.

Madi a re buang ka one, a a tsewa fa e le gore ke a lefatshe le, a isiwa kwa mafatsheng a mangwe.

Fa e le gore ke a mafatshe a mangwe, a tlisiwa kwano.

Fa go diragala jaana, dirukutlhi di tshabela kwa mafatsheng a mangwe.
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34 OF 2021) Second Reading gotwe go itlhaganelwe thata.

Bill e teng ya Extradition Amendment Bill, 2021, e e tlaabong e tla ka Motlotlegi Rre Mmusi in these Bills.

E lomagana le gore e re fa o batliwa sengwe, kana gore motho a busiwe a tle go sekela melato ya gagwe e e rileng, e bo go dirwa ka bofefo.

Ke dikgang tse di botlhokwa.


Batho ba a iphitlha ba nna dingwagangwaga kwa mafatsheng fa ba dirile melato mo mafatsheng a bone.

Ntlha e ka gore e teng e a buiwa mo dikgannyeng tse, a e tlhwaafalelwe.

Mafatshe otlhe a tshwanetse a bone gore ga ba letlelele dirukutlhi gore e re di sentse kwa di sentseng teng, di bo di tla go iphitlha kwa mafatsheng a tsone, ka gore go tlaabo go re imetsa tiro.

Mr Speaker, Bill e, e tlhamaletse, ga e na bana ba phefo.

Ga re ka ke ra tsaya letsatsi lotlhe re e bua.


Re itlhaganelele gore re e fetise le tse dingwe tse di amanang le yone.

Re tle re se ka ra bo ra boela gape mo seretseng.

We are not yet out of the woods, re santse re duba thankga.

Go dira ka bofefo le ka manontlhotlho go ka thusa lefatshe la rona gotlhelele, le bo le tswa mo seemong se le leng mo go sone.

Gompieno jaaka Minister a ne a bua, ga re ise re fitlhelele dintlha tse dingwe tsa botlhokwa mo go sekasekiweng mo.
Fa go fitlhelwa re tlhaela, ga re ka ke ra goroga mo go tse re gakolotsweng mo go tsone tse.

Re tlaabo re boela gape kwa grey listing.

Mafatshe a ne a re ja ditshego re le mo grey listing, a re ko re lekeng.

Palamente e, ke e leboge gore e faphegile, e tlile go itebaganya le kgang e. Mapalamente ga ba a re re tsoga re bua ka Budget kamoso o mongwe, re a go nna le Palamente e teleletelele.
Le ne la ikitaya ka thupana la bona gore go botlhokwa gore fa go buiwa ka lefatshe, go buiwa ka borukutlhi jwa madi, dikgang tsa go rotloetsa dirukutlhi ka madi, ke selo se se botlhokwa se se le amang.

Ke sone se le tsileng fano gore kgang e, re tle re e bue.

Re dire melao e ka bofefo.

E tle e re ka September fa go a go kanokiwa, go fitlhelwe le rona re na le melao.

Kgang e tona ke ya gore melao e fa re sena go nna re e dira jaana, e diragadiwe.
Ga go e go sekwasekwa fela gore re na le melao, go a go sekwasekwa gape go bona gore a mme melao e re e dirileng e nna mo tirisong, e mo tirisong.

E mengwe e tlhokana le dikomiti tse di tshwanetseng di nne teng, diofisi tse di tshwanetseng di nne teng.

Fa go fitlhelwa e le gore molao o teng, mme ga go na bodiredi jo bo tshwanetseng go diragatsa molao oo, go tlaabo go supa gore re batho ba ba sa tlhwaafalang.

diragadiwa.

Ke selo sa botlhokwa se re tshwanetseng re se ele tlhoko.
Fa re ntse re tsamaya, re e tlhalose kwa Makgotleng gore batho ba se ka ba tsoga kamoso ba wela mo isong ka go sa itse gore molao o o dirilweng o. Fa ba dira se ba se dirang go tlaabo go le phoso.

Ditshetlana tse dingwe di di sha, tse dingwe go a go fetolwa fela tse di ntseng di le teng.

Fa gongwe ke melao e mesha gotlhelele, jaaka wa society o tlaa tla.

Ba tlile go bona gore ba ntse ba dira kwa ntle ga tsamaiso.

Fa ba tsenngwa mo tsamaisong e, go tlaare ba e sale morago le ba societies tsa go nna jalo.
Ka go rialo Mr Speaker ke lebogile thata.

Ga ke batle go ja nako e telele.

Ke lebogele Tona gore a bo a tlile ka molao o a o re bileng pele, o o botlhokwatlhokwa o. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

“EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP” MR SPEAKER (MR MOATLHODI): Le rona re a leboga rraarona Motlotlegi Rraetsho Mothusa Tautona, e bile e le wena Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Boteti.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ne a re tshwere sentle maloba.
MR SPEAKER: Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, fa a sale a biditse Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Mmadinare.

A le kile la mmona?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, ke yoo.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O santse a itumeletse maemo a masha.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MR MOLEBATSI): Ke a go leboga Mr Speaker.
Ke simolole ka go kopa maitshwarelo fela jaaka ke sa tswa go bua, gore ke kile ka bitswa ke sa bonale e le mabaka a letsatsi leno gore fa o ne o phaketse o itse gore o Mothusa Tona golo gongwe, e re o ya dijong tsa motshegare, o bo o le Mothusa Tona golo gongwe, fa gongwe go nna le ketsaetsego.

Le wena fela ka bowena o a etsaetsega.

Go na le dingwe tse re neng re tshwanetse gore gongwe re di dire tsa tsamaiso.

Ke gone gongwe go dirileng gore ke se ka ka bonala ka bofefo jo bo kalokalo.
Ke tsaya gore e tlaare re tswa fela gone fa, Tona ke mo itse ke mo tshepha, o tlaa ema ka dinao a bona gore tsotlhe tse di tlhokagalang di nna teng.

Melao eo e re e buisanang, e re e dumalanang gompieno, e bo e ya go Ke leboge gore o bo o mphile sebaka se Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke simolole ke re re tshwanetse go itumela re le Batswana, re le tšhaba ya Botswana, re duduetse gore Puso ya lefatshe la rona la 18 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.
34 OF 2021) Second Reading Botswana e tsere tshwetso ya gore le yone e inaakanye le makgotla a a tlhodumelang, a a bonang gore a dilo di dirwa sentle, ga go na tshenyetso-setšhaba yone e e buiwang ka Sekgoa e, e gotweng money laundering, ga go na tse di maswe tse di dirwang tse di ka dirang gore dirukutlhi di tsene mo lefatsheng la rona.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, mma ke gatelele gore ga se mafatshe otlhe a a inaakanyang le ditsamaiso tsone tse.
A mangwe mafatshe a salela kwa morago ka gore go a bo go na le tse gongwe ba batlang go di fitlha.

Tla ke re Batswana fela ba itumelele gore mme Puso ya lefatshe la rona, e tseetse gore e dire dilo gongwe di bonale di le phepa.

Kana se se tsamaelana le maitlamo a Puso le phathi ya goora Domkrag, fa e tsena e ne e re e tlaa lwantsha sepe sengwe le sengwe se se ka leswafatsang lefatshe le segolobogolo e le sa tshenyetso-setšhaba.

Ke one maikaelelo a matona Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Golo mo re tshwanetse re go galaletse.

Ke gatelele gape gore ga se mafatshe mangwe le mangwe kana mafatshe otlhe a a inaakantseng le bone bo ESAAMLG le bo FATF.

Gape ke gatelele gore yone e e tshwanang le ya ESAAMLG, re bangwe ba re neng re tsere karolo mo go e simolodiseng re le Botswana.

Se se gatelela gape thata gore re le Puso, re batla go bona lefatshe le le phepa, tse tsotlhe tse di dirang ka madi kana tse di ka dirang gore go ka nna le tshenyetso- setšhaba, re leke gore di tsamae sentle.
Gongwe Batswana ke ka ba gakolola gore kana molao wa Financial Intelligence Act, re sale re o simolotse ka 2009, ra o sekaseka ka 2019.

Fa re sena go nna re o dira, re o baakanya ya re bone ba FATF ba lebelela tse re di dirang, dikgato tse re di tsayang, ba nna ba re bolelela gore re santse re saletse kwa morago ka dilo dingwe, ba tlaa nama ba re sekasekile, ba re beile leitlho kana under the radar ka se se bitswang gotwe grey listing, e le gore ba re tlama gore re fitlhelele golo gongwe.
Ke gone jaanong gongwe le bonang ka tsone recommendations tsa bone, re diramolao o gore re fitlhelele se ba se batlang gore lefatshe la rona le nne phepa.

Bagaetsho, kana tota kwa ntleng ga gore re lebile gore go ka nna le ditsuolodi, ba ba tlhatswang madi ba tswa kwa mafatsheng a mangwe, gongwe madi a tla a feta a tlhatswiwa mo lefatsheng la rona, e le madi a a sa tsewang sentle kwa mafatsheng a mangwe.
Kwa ntle ga gone moo fela, le gone mo lefatsheng la rona, molao o o tlaa thusa gore re kgone go disa, re kobakobe tshenyetso- setšhaba.

Fa o ka lebelela jaaka Motlotlegi Mothusa Tautona a ne a bua, gone fela go dira molao wa Financial Intelligence Act, go tsamaelana le gore re baakanye melao mengwe mo lefatsheng la rona.
Melao fela e e sa tswang go buiwa ka bontsi gore kwa lephateng le ke neng ke le kwa go lone la Peeletso, Papadi le Madirelo; bo Companies Act, Trust and Property Control Act, Societies Act, Counter Terrorism Act le Extradition Act re a di baakanya.

Gore re baakanye jaaka ba FATF ba batla, go tsala gore le yone melao eo, re e baakanye.
Ga ke batle go nna moleele, bakaulengwe ba buile ka boleele, ke gatelele fela gore go botlhokwa go dira jalo jaaka ke ne ke bua, re le lefatshe le Puso e e batlang gore dilo di dirwe sentle.

Of course go na le dingwe tse ka boammaaruri di batlang gore di dirwe sentle.

Malatsi a re tshela mo matshelong a batho ba kgonang go fitlha dilo ba tswa kwa mafatsheng a mangwe, ba direla dilo mo lefatsheng la rona ka gore lefatshe la rona le bulegile fela.
Le mo Botswana gone mo garona, batho ba fitlha dingwe dikhumo e le gore ba di fitlha ka masika, ditsala le batho ba e leng gore ga ba amane gope le maina a bone gotlhelele.

Mo o fitlhelang gongwe e le gore fa o kare you trace motho, e le gore ke ene tota ultimately a boelwang (benefit) a iphitlhile ka batho.

E le gore ke dira tenders ke le Molebatsi, mme ke iphitlhile ka motlogolo wa me Ramogapi.
E le gore nnyaa, Ramogapi se a se dirang fela fa madi a goroga, ene o a fetisetsa kwa bankeng, kwa account ya me.

Go botlhokwa gore golo mo jaanong, re tsenelele kwa teng, re itse gore totatota moji, the ultimate beneficiary, ke mang.

Ke sone sengwe se se dirwang se setona mo molaong o re se lebileng.
Molao o sengwe se o se baakanyang ke go dira gore beneficial ownership, re e tlhalose gore the ultimate moji kwa phelelong, re e tlhalose re lebile tlhaloso ya mafatshefatshe e bile gape re lebile tlhaloso ya se se tlaabong se tlhokiwa ke ba FATF.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke bue gore jaaka go ne go boletswe sa ntlha fela yone part one mo preliminary, mo molaong one o, e bua ka beneficial ownership.
Ke fe sekai Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, kana ba ba kileng ba dira tenders segolobogolo ba construction, o ne o bona fa gongwe dikompone di le tlhano tsa maina a a farologanyeng, mme dikompone tse di ikopetse tenders, fa tender e ya go fiwa, five ene yo, ke wa motho a le mongwefela.
O dirisitse maina fela, mme fa o ka sala morago sentle, o tlaa bona gore fa go duelwa dikompone tsone tse tlhano kana nngwe yone e e fentseng mo go tse tlhano tsone tse, a go ne go fentse number one kana three kgabagare 19 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.

34 OF 2021) Second Reading madi a isiwa kwa account nngwe ya mongwe.

Ke sone se re batlang gore dilo tse re di sale morago gore re se ka ra fitlha sepe.
Rona re lapile re le mapolotiki gore o fitlhele e le gore go tlaabo gotwe hei!

le a senya, le a reng.

Gongwe re tlaa tswa mo dipuong tse dintsintsi tse re nnang re belaelwa, ka gore yo o belaelwang ka molao one o o latedisang mo gotweng beneficial ownership, go kgona gore go latedisiwe gore meamuso yone e e felela e le kwa kae.
Kana molao o o tlaa re thusa gape gore fa go na le mongwe yo re bonang dikhumo fela tse e leng gore ga re itse gore gatwe o di tsaya kae, mme re itse gore o amogela P20 000.00 fela jaaka Tona, jaaka nna, e bo e le gore re ka latedisa gore dilo tse di kanakana o di tsaya kae.
tsa Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo Palamente, Rre Mopalamente yo o tlotlegang Rre Ramogapi, o ne a bua gore kana re a bo re tlaa tla re tsogologelwa ke Tona, jaaka a ne a bua Clause 10 gore Tona o tlaabo a filwe dithata tsa he/she declare motho gore ke a terrorist.

Nnyaa, ga go a nna jalo, gatwe Tona o dira fela jalo fa a sena go nna le komiti yone e, ba sena go nna ba mo gakolola, e le process.

Ga se gore Tona fela fa a tsoga fela maphakela, o tlaabo e le gore nnyaa, Rre Saleshando ke terrorist.
Nnyaa, ga go ka ke ga nna jalo.

Go na le Clauses tse e leng gore ga o ntse o tswelela di supa gore tota gone gore o bo o ... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR MOLEBATSI:…ya di terrorist…ke tla go neela… (inaudible)… le gone go na le mabaka, mabaka a teng e ka nna e le gore le kwa go ba United Nations Sanction Register, kana list ya bone e supagala gore ka tsela nngwe o amana le groups kana ditlhopha dingwe tse di dirang molato o wa bo terrorism.

Mma ke eme gone fa ke go neele.


MR KEKGONEGILE: Clarification.

Ke ne ke re ke go tlhaloganye Honourable Molebatsi.

Kana motho fa a go reeditse o ipotsa dipotso tse dintsinyana, nngwe ya tsone ke gore, on the report ya COVID, ya ga modupa dibuka, go supagetse go nnile le tlhoko tiriso madi sentle.

Mme tlhoko tiriso madi e sentle e, go nnile le millionaires di le dintsinyana ka go farologana, bangwe ba tsone ba le mo Cabinet.
Motho o ka ipotsa gore, naare molao fa o sena go nna o saenwa, tsholofelo ya batho ke gore mo lebakeng le le kae ba bo ba bona bahumi ba ba dinaledi ba tshoganetso, ba e leng gore ga ba a fiwa dilo sentle?

E bo e le gore ba sekasekwa mo lebakeng le le kae, wena fela fa o tlhaloganya?

Tanki Honourable Minister.

MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga motlotlegi.

Sa ntlha fela ke gore ga ke na bosupi ja gore go runtse millionaires mo Cabinet e tsa COVID.

Ga ke itse gore ke bomang.


Ga ke itse fa go ntse jalo, ga ke na bosupi, go thata gore ke go arabe.

Gongwe ke re, mme ke gatelele gore kana melao e bagaetsho le fa o bona re e ntsha jaana ga e kganele motho go huma.

Ga e kganele motho gore a itirele madi a hume, le gone ga e kganele motho gore a hume khumo ya potlako, kana fela e e spontaneous.

Ga ke bone deal golo gongwe, ke e dira, ke dira madi, ga gona molato.
Se re se buang ke gore, ra re re dirisa molao o gore re kgone go latedisa dikhumo tse e leng gore ga re tlhaloganye gore di tla ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Re bona fela o huma re sa itse gore o huma ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

O nna le dipolase le meraka, mme re ntse re itse gore wena o ka fitlhelela fa kae.

Molao o ke sone se o se buang, gore re tle re itse fela gore tseo o di tsaya kae.
Ke sone se se buiwang gore records tse…se sengwe se gongwe ke tshwanetseng go se gatelela ke gore, molao o wa re beneficial owners, ke gore fa go dirwa company re tshwanetse re itse gore beng ba company eo ke bomang.

Le fa go na le beng ba company, go na le mo gotweng nominee shareholders, ba e leng gore gongwe nna ga ke batle gore ke bonale, mme ke ka tsenya ngwanake, ke ka tsenya Theo, go tshwanetse gore go itsiwe, go nne mo mpapananeng gore Theo yo o tsentswe ke mang.
Gape re direla gore information e gape, makgotla a a tshwanetseng a ditlhotlhomiso, go nne motlhofo gore re nne le records tse di siameng, tse re tlaa tlang re bua ka tsone fa re bua kwa Company’s Act, e le yone re e baakanyang.

Records tse di tlaabong di supa gore go nne motlhofo gore ba ba thotlhomisang ba latlele dikhumo tse kana ba latele gore meamuso e yone e goroga jang kwa mothong ene yoo.
Nngwe ya tsone ke constitution ya company, jaaka re tlaa tla re bona gore constitution e supa gore ke mang yo o mo company, le kopana jang, meetings, accounts, e le gore go saenelwa madi a a kana go saenelwa mang, fa a tsamaya ke mang yo o saenang.

Ke tsone dilo tse le tlaa tlang le di bona gone moo.

Se ka bokhutshwane ke gore, molao o o tlhantlhamolola, o bo o baya mo mpapananeng sengwe le sengwe se se dirang go bona gore motho o goroga jang gore a nne le dikhumo.
Fa e le gore go na le dikhumo tse e leng gore ke tsa madi a a tswang kwa ntle, kwa mafatshefatsheng, fa a tlhatswiwa kwano, e bo re kgona go bona gore re di latedise go bona gore go tswa kae.

Jaaka ke ne ke bua rraetsho gore, Motlotlegi Mothusa Tautona o ne a bua gore e se ka ya nna molao fela, go nne le implementation.
Go na le penalties, fa e le tsone tsa dikompone, re na le penalties tse di tseneletseng kwa teng tse e leng gore fa 20 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.

34 OF 2021) Second Reading e le gore o dira company ga o kgone go supa beneficial owners, nominee shareholders tsa company eo, go tlaabo go raya gore jaanong o a thusa mo tshenyetso-setšhaba.

O tsena fela mo mathateng fela a a gakgamatsang.


Company secretaries, company directors, company shareholders, tse e leng gore ga di kgone go supa gore ultimately ke mang who benefits mo meamusong ya company, le bone ba tsena mo mathateng.

Molao o rra gape o tlile go re thusa fa ba ba tlhotlhomisang ba batla information, ka fa molaong jaanong ba tlaabo ba o batla ka bofefo jo bo rileng.
Kwa companies fa e le gore o batla information, ya to reveal gore company ke ya ga mang, maximum days a o tshwanetseng gore o bo o a filwe gore o ntshe information eo, ke three days.

Go nna o siya siya o ya kwa, o bo o bowa o ya kwa gotwe go batliwa information, se se diragalang gompieno ka gore ga gona molao, go kgona go batliwa information.
Kwa lephateng le ke tswang kwa go lone la Papadi le Madirelo, re na le information tse re a tleng re di batle ka companies dingwe tsa batho, mme go re tseye lebaka, go fitlhelela fa gongwe re dirisa mapodise, kana fa re dirisa mapodise jaanong following ya teng ke ya criminal.
Jaanong gompieno e administrative, gore re tlaabo re go raya re re, re go fa three days gore re bo re itse gore company ya Motheo Construction ke ya ga mang, go tseneletswe kwa teng, re bona gore who are the beneficial owners tsa company e. Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, re santse re tlaa nna le sebaka gore re bue re tseneletse segolobogolo mo go tse dingwe ka gore e tsetse gore go baakangwe melao e mengwe, one molao wa go bopa sesha FIA.

Ga ke re o a baakanngwa, it is enacted gape, o a bopiwa sesha.
Go setse gore re baakanye melao e mengwe, tse dintsi tse re tlaa tla re di bua gone kwa melaong ya teng, gore ke re, re tshwanetse go o fetisa ka bofefo jo bo kgonagalang.

Kwa ntleng fela ga gore a FATF le ba ESAAMLG ba batla gore re dire jalo, it is also good for our country.
It actually answers the question tse re ntseng re di botsa tsa corruption and all those things, gore fa motho re bona a tswa kwa fela a tla e le gore o aba madi kwano, e bo e le gore re... (MR MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION MOLAO): Clarification.

Ke a leboga Honourable Speaker, ke a leboga honourable go mpha sebaka.
Ke ne ke re kana melao e ya bo money laundering, ga ke itse gore molao o o itebaganya jang le kompone e fa gongwe e a bong e le registered mo Botswana, mme o bo o fitlhela e le gore the mother company gongwe e kwa lefatsheng le sele.
E bo e le gore fa gongwe jaanong madi a tsamaisiwa through these companies, madi a a tswa a ya koo, a ya go boa gotwe, nnyaa we were giving loan to a company e e mo Botswana, kante ga se loan, ke gone go tlhatswa madi kana money laundering jaaka re tlwaetse go e bitsa, gore molao o selo o ka se kganela ka tsela e e ntseng jalo ka gore se lebega se bereka even in areas where mafatshe a re a bitsang a tax havens, gore fa gongwe we register dikompone kafa le kafa?

MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a go leboga.


Ke potso e e maleba Tona.
Se sengwe se gongwe ke tshwanetseng gore ke se gatelele ke gore, molao o jaanong o bulela gore makalana a mangwe a a kwa mafatsheng a mangwe, jaaka o ne o bua ka tax haven gongwe kompone e le kwa islands tse ke ka sekeng ke di bue ka maina, kwa re ntseng re sa fitlhelele teng, gongwe DIS ya rona go thata gore e fitlhelele teng, records tse jaanong molao o o letlelela gore re ka dirisanya le makalana a mo Botswana gore gone koo makalana a mafatshe a mangwe, a re dirisanyang le one bo ESAAMLG le FATF, e bo le bone ba kgona gore ba fiwe information ka bofefo fa ba belaela sengwe, gore ba latedise tsone tseo.
Go ka re thusa le gore re tlise le jone boitseanape jo bo fetang jo re nang le jone mo lefatsheng la rona, gore dilo tse re di sekaseka, re di kanoke.

Re kgone gore re di tlhotlhomise.

Ke sone se ke kopang Bakaulengwe Mapalamente a a tlotlegang gore a re se kang ra dia sebaka, a re fetiseng molao o mo kgweding e gore re se ka ra boela kwa go tshwaiweng ka mebala ya bo grey le black.

Re bo re nna lefatshe le le nang le tlotla, le le tlhatswitsweng, le le phepha, ga go na tshenyetso-setšhaba.
Ka a le kalo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke a go leboga.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke eng o sa move or truncate?

MR SPEAKER: Ga ke dumalane le mafoko a o a buang Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Boteti East ka gore Batlotlegi Mapalamente ba batla go bua, wena o tla ka mafoko a ntwa.

MR TSHERE (MAHALAPYE WEST): Thank you Honourable Speaker of the National Assembly.

Ke go leboge mo tshokologong eno.


Le nna ke latlhele mo kgannyeng e. Ke re happy new year to other Honourable Members here ba re boileng mo Palamenteng e mo ngwageng o mošha o.

21 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.

34 OF 2021) Second Reading Mr Speaker, le nna ke emelelela to support Molao- kakanyetso o.
Go na le ditshetlana tse gongwe ke sa dumalaneng le tsone mme ke a o support in general because kana fa re bua ka ledi la Pula le Thebe, sepe fela se se ka gomagometsang ledi le, ke mmaba mo go rona, re tshwanetse re se emela ka dinao.

Ke tsaya gore Palamente e dirile sentle gore e re fa e bona dilo tse e bo e re bitsa jaaka e re biditse ka tshoganetso gore re tle go sekaseka melao e, re e fetise gore ledi la Pula le somarelesege.
Mme jaaka ke kile ka bua mo nakong e e fetileng gore kana dikgang tse di buang ka madi, mafatshe a mangwe fa a re lebeletse, ga se gantsi o ka ba raya o re nna ke dira jaana, ke siame, ke tshwara madi sentle ka gore ba a iponela.

Mokgwa wa bone ba dumela mo go iponeleng.

Jaanong fa ba iponetse jaaka ba iponetse gompieno ka Pula le Thebe gore go lebega e le gore madi a rona ga re a tshware sentle, ke gone fa o bonang go tla sanctions tse.
Go be gotwe blacklisting, greylisting, ga o ka ke wa dirisa madi, ga o ka ke wa romela madi mo Botswana o le kwa bo United Kingdom (UK) le bo America.

Ke dikgang tse masisi tseo tse ke tsayang gore go maleba gore Palamente e bo e itlhaganetse gore re leke go di baakanya ka lebelo le re tshwanetseng gore re di baakanya ka lone.

Mr Speaker, kgang e ga se lantlha re e bua ya financing of terrorism.
Re bua gore kana dilo tse le malawana e mengwe e re e dirang mo Ntlong e, e tshwanetse e lebege e support gore go se ka ga nna le financing of terrorism.

Maloba re ne re fetisa molao, ke e fa sekai, wa motsoko, re tlisa melao e e gatelelang tiriso le thekiso ya motsoko mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Re tlhalosa ka nako eo re re kana fa o dira, if you overregulate, jaanong o fa tshono ba ba tlaa kgonang go dira ba sa sale molao ope morago.
Sekai e le gore jaanong re tlaabo re kgona go bona metsoko e e tswang kwa ntle e re sa itseng gore e dirilwe jang, that do not satisfy any international requirements, e e sa saleng molao ope morago, e bo e le gore e a tsena.

Fa o ipotsa gore metsoko e e tswa kae, e lemiwa ke bomang, ke gone fa financing of terrorism e tsenang teng.

E ka nna motsoko, sengwe fela kana any commodity e e rekisegang, e kgona go tsenya madi.
So, re tshwanetse gore e re fa re dira melao ya rona, re se ka ra e gagamatsa thata gore re se ka ra a fa terrorists tshono gore di ka kgona go dira madi ka dilo tseo.

Selo se tshwana le bo hemp and medical marijuana, ke dilo tse e leng gore gompieno jaana le di lesitse, re tsentse melao e e thata mo go tsone gore terrorists jaanong di kgone go dira madi ka tsone mo lefatsheng la Botswana ka gore e tlaa nna black market.

They have created a huge potential for black market.
Ke sone se o bonang money laundering e le kana.

Le tiriso ya rona fela ya dibanka, ke leboga thata gore molao o o bo o dule o le phepha, e le molao o e leng gore le nna ke utlwa o tswa o le phepha o itebaganya le dibanka gore ope yo e leng gore o bereka mo bankeng a dira account, o tlaa nna molato ka fa tlase ga molao o fa e le gore o iphitlhela e le gore o thusa lekoko la dirukutlhi gore ba ntshe madi mo lefatsheng, ba tsenye madi mo lefatsheng kana ba tlhatswe madi.
Selo se ke se lebogela thata ka gore mo nakong e e fetileng Mr Speaker o ne o fitlhela ke utlwa botlhoko tota fa ke lebeletse mo lefatsheng la Botswana go na le bo Bank of India le Bank of Baroda.

Tsone ee di tswetswe mme gongwe damage e di e dirileng ke sone se e leng gore re bona manokonoko a teng e bile ke one a re lekang go a fetola gompieno jaana.
Fa e le gore banka e kgona gore e tla fa e le Bank of India, mo go nna ke ne ke tsaya gore go raya gore fa o tshwere madi and deposit madi ao, go tshwana fela o a deposit kwa India, a tsamaile.

Minister of Finance, re tshwanetse re ele dilo tse tlhoko, re di lebelele thata ka gore go ne go lebega e le gore madi a rona a a tsamaya ka tsela yone eo.
Tenders di a dirwa mo Botswana, company e dira two billion profit mme e bo e tswa fela e ntse jaana by a click of a button, e tlaabo e tsamaile e dule mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Fa gongwe go itiretswe companies tsa maitirelo tse di temporary tse o tlaabong o bona di reka di ba di fetisa madi a a kanakana.

Ke re golo ke gone mo go neng go re bolaya Mr Speaker.
Go ne go re bolaya ka gore le tsone dibanka e ne e se gore di report these suspicious transactions mo go kalokalo ka gore ga o ka ke wa itse gore suspicious transaction o e bona jang.

Unless molao o gompieno jaanong o tsepame gore madi a a kana fa a tsamaya fa o tshwanetse gore o bo o report, go tswa go le clear go ntse jalo.

Jaanong dibanka tse di sa direng jalo, tse di sa saleng molao o morago, di tlaa otlhaiwa ka fa tlase ga molao o. Ke sone se ke se lebogelang thata.
Se sengwe Mr Speaker, ke corruption.

Kana fa o ka bona tiriso botlhaswa ya madi mo Botswana, Honourable Dr Matsheka, Tona wa pele wa Madi le Ditlhabololo o kile a tlhalosa gore 37 per cent wa madi a rona a ya kwa corruption.

Jaanong 37 per cent yoo, ke tshono of financing terrorism, go dira money laundering le all the deeds that you can think of.
Jaanong fa re santse re ise re address dikgang tseo tsa corruption e e diragalang mo maphateng a Puso, re e bona ka matlho… ke a itse gore o a itse Mr Speaker gore gangwe le gape re kgona go bona batho ba isiwa kwa Kgotlatshekelo ba seka.

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34 OF 2021) Second Reading paraded kwa court, ba bangwe ba supiwa go tshotswe ditlhobolo, ba bangwe go supiwa jang kana jang, mme boammaaruri ke gore cases tse tsotlhe fa di fela, there is no conviction.

Ga go na ope yo o kileng a bonwa molao kana ope yo o kileng a seka a ya kgolegelong.

Ke dilo fela tsa puo ya molomo and parading batho kwa court go lebega o kare re dira sengwe mme le sa dire sepe.
Madi a jaanong a tlile go tswelela a tsena mo diatleng tse ditsouludi, a tlile go tswelela financing ditsouludi fa e le gore ga re ka ke ra tsepamisa matho mo kgannyeng ya corruption.

Ke maswabi thata e bile ke utlwa botlhoko gore gompieno jaana Honourable Dr Matsheka a bo a ntshitswe kwa Finance e bile a ntshitswe gotlhelele from the Cabinet.
Honourable Dr Matsheka ke nkgonne thata kwa Mahalapye, mme ga ke tseye gore ke mafoko a ke neng ke a bua maloba fa ke le fa a a dirileng gore le bo le felela le akanya gore le ntshe a highly renowned economist Dr Matsheka yo o neng a ka bo a re thusa dikgang tse gore re di tlhaloganye go ya kwa teng jaaka a ne a tle a re di tlhalosetse go ya kwa teng tota, gore le Motswana kwa gae a kgone a tlhaloganye dikgang tse tsa madi.

MR HIKUAMA: On a point of clarification.

Dumelang Ra Nkamo.
Dumelang Ra Nkamo.

Ke a leboga Honourable Member.

A mme jaaka fa o bua ka fa Puso e kgwile Dr Matsheka yo o neng a bua dikgang tse di molemo, re nna le tsholofelo mo go reng gongwe dilo tsa rona di tlaabo di babalesegile, ga o belaele gore gongwe dipuo tsa gagwe tse di tlhatswegileng tse, e bile di supa direction ya go leka go lwantsha corruption mo system, ke tsone that costed him post e gore a latlhelwe kwa ntle jaaka a latlhetswe kwa ntle jaana?
MR TSHERE: Ke a leboga Honourable Hikuama, ngwaga o mosha… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Member for Mahalapye West, ke ne ke re ke go gakolole fela mokaulengwe yo ke mo ratang thata gore kgang e, e re o tsena mo go yone, o itse gore ga se yone tota e e mo tafoleng.

Ke go gakolole fela ka o motho yo ke mo ratang thata Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Mahalapye Bophirima.

MR TSHERE: Tanki Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
E e neng Honourable Hikuama a e bua ke re, ke utlwile botlhoko le nna, kana gakere dilo tse re tshwaraganetse Puso le lona, re a le gakolola.

Jaanong kana re ne re utlwa thata Dr Matsheka fa a bua, e bile re bona re ya golo gongwe ka gore dilo tse fa re sa di bue tsa tswela mo pontsheng, ke gone mo di tlaa felelang financing terrorism.

Di rotloetsa borukutlhi, boferefere le dilo tse dingwe tse e leng gore di a dirwa.
Ke ne ke re Dr Matsheka o ne a re thusa thata mo nakong e e fetileng, ke maswabi gore a bo a ntshitswe gotlhelele mo Pusong.

Gone moo ka bogone ke bona e le backwardness, go re busetsa kwa moragorago, ga go supafale e le gore Puso ya ga Domkraga ya nako ya gompieno e tlhoafetse ka matshelo a batho le dikgang tsone tse di amang madi.

Re ne re tshwanetse gore re ka bo re ne re dirisa boitseanape jwa officers tse di gone fa gore ba kgone go re thusa go tlhaloganya dikgang tse tsa madi.
Le rona re le Mapalamente re kgone go di baya sentle ka gore ga se gore rotlhe re itse ka madi.

Nna ga se gore ke itse thata ka madi, ke gore fela mo tirong ya me I deal thata ka one.

Ke sone se o bonang e le gore re felela re a bona ka tsela e e ntseng jaana.

Mr Speaker, ke ne ke sa batle go tsaya nako e telele, ke bue gore gone I support Molao-kakanyetso o o buang ka go thatafatsa tsamaiso ya madi, le ka fa re a tshwarang ka teng mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
Ke tsaya gore sengwe le sengwe se se amang go tshwara madi sentle, re a se amogela Mr Speaker.

Re tlaa tla re lebelela Ditshutiso mo go se se setseng se kwadilwe gore re ka amend jang fa re setse re tsena mo legatong le le latelang.

Ka mafoko a le kalo Mr Speaker, ke leboga thata, I support the re-enactment of the Bill ya Financial Intelligence.

Thank you very much Mr Speaker.

MR KAPINGA (OKAVANGO): Thank you very much Honourable Deputy Speaker.

Le nna ke latlhele mo kgannyeng ya gompieno.


I comment ke na le title ya comments tsa me Mr Speaker.

Fa ke lebile molao o re lebaganyeng le one o, le se o se buang, ke tletswe ke mogopolo wa gore ke bue gore fa o lebile lefatshe la Botswana, le tshwanelwa ke go tlhalosiwa as a primitive democracy.
Ke a ipoeletsa Mr Speaker, ka re fa o lebile melao e re e dirang, le dilo tse re tswelelang re ntse re di tsweledisa fela mme re ntse re lemogile gore ga se dilo tse di siameng, Botswana qualifies to be called a primitive democracy; Puso ya batho ka batho e e saletseng kwa morago, e e siilweng ke ditlhabololo, e e sa tlhabologang, e tsamaisana le dinako tse re leng mo go tsone.
Mr Speaker, molao o wa FIA maikaelelo a one ke go tsaya Botswana e e baya mo seemong se e leng gore e ka lebiwa e complying with the international financial system regulatory structure or mechanisms.

Tse re di dirang tse ka mokgwa o re di dirang ka teng re le such a primitive democracy, ke go 23 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.

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Ga re ka ke ra goroga kwa maemong a e leng gore mafatshe a mangwe a Puso ya batho ka batho ya bone e tlhabologileng, a gorogileng kwa go one.

Ke tlaa simolola go go bontsha gore bokoa ke bo bona fa kae Mr Speaker.

mo teng.

Procedure e ke e kopang ke ya gore, re bua ka efe Mr Speaker jaanong?

A re santse re le mo go yone e e fa pele ga rona, kana jaanong motlotlegi o ne a batla go feta ka sengwe fela, o santse a tlaa boela mo go e re e buang e e fa pele ga rona?
Ke a leboga.

Selo sa ntlha; appointment of the Director General.

Fa ke santse ke le mosimanyana kwa Mahalapye Mr Speaker kwa ke neng ke tsena sekole teng, go kile ga tla magician yo mongwe yo o neng a bidiwa Muhammed.

O ne a tsaya beke e ntshonyana fela jaana a bo a re ‘bing, salah bing, abracadabra’, a bo a ntsha mmutla mo teng.

Ka re ne re le basimanyana re sa akanyetsa dilo thata, re itumela gore magician yo o ntshitse mmutla mo bekeng e ntsho.
Jaanong Mr Speaker, the same is happening in terms of senior appointments in this Government.

Ke gore ke bing, salah bing, leina le a somoga le sa itse gore le somoga fa kae, o kare mmutla o o tswang mo bekeng e ntsho ya ga Muhammed.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Le tlaa lemoga bakaulengwe jaaka ke kile kgantele ka bua le Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Mahalapye Bophirima, ke mo raya ke re tota le fa re se mo go yone kgang, ke go letla fela ka golo fa re tshwanetse ra leka go jwala tirisanyo mmogo.
Ka mo gakolola gore o itse gore ga re mo go yone, mme o ka feta fela.

Ke itheile ka re Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Okavango le ene o ne a nkutlwa, ke motho yo o tsebe ntlha go utlwa.

Motlotlegi Mothusa Tautona, o a mo utlwa mokaulengwe wa gago gore a mme re ntse re mo temeng Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Okavango.

Ke e tlogela mo go wena, I do not want to make any ruling ka kgantele ke kile ka tlogela mo yo mongwe.
Mr Speaker, if we were to qualify to be a sophisticated modern democracy, fa motho a tla go bewa to such a sensitive position, go tshwanetse gore go bo go nna le process e itsiweng ke mongwe le mongwe, which can be witnessed that there was a process that happened before such and such a person was appointed Director General of FIA.

Re tsoga re gakgamala kamoso re tshwana le batho ba Tonga ba e rileng ba tsoga ba bo ba iphitlhela ba khurumeditswe ke mesi ya volcano.
Re tsoga re gakgamala kamoso re fiwa leina la motho yo re sa itseng gore o somogile fa kae, o kare o somoga mo bekeng ya magician gotwe ke ene Director General wa FIA.

Mr Speaker, tsamaiso e e ntseng jalo, I find it to be backward and primitive.

That is why I am saying Botswana remains a primitive democracy.

Re santse re batla go tsweledisa seemo se e leng gore President wa rona ke gore ga a botswe sepe, he is like an imperial president, a monarch.
Re tsaya gore ke gore botlhale le maikarabelo a gagwe ke a e leng gore a feta motho yo o bopilweng mo setshwanong sa Modimo.

I do not believe in that kind of system Mr Speaker, and I believe ga e ka ke ya re isa gope.

E tlile go re dira gore re nne jaaka re ntse jaana mo e leng gore re dikologa golo go le gongwefela, ga go na kwa re go yang.

Dithata tse di tshwanang le tse re di neetseng Tautona, ke tsone tse di dirang gore a bo a appoint batho... LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Procedure.
Ke ne ke utlwa e le gore mokaulengwe o tsena thata a gaketse, mme a bua ka primitive democracy.

Nnyaa, kana primitive democracy ke ya rona rotlhe, a le MR KAPINGA: Ke mo go yone right on the forehead, I am talking about Clause 5 e e fang Tautona the unbridled, unfettered power to appoint the Director General, of FIA.

That is what I am labeling as a primitive democracy, it is only a primitive democracy that can continue to confer so much power on a single individual.
That is the point that I am making Mr Speaker.

The end result… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Replied on unriddled path sir.

MR KAPINGA: Unriddled, ke itse Sekgoa thata.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, un-riddled.

MR KAPINGA: The consequence, the unavoidable consequence of that is that you have blind individuals appointed to positions, ba e leng gore fa ba tewa gotwe dira jaana o a dira because the process leading to their appointment was covered in darkness.
Le ene ga a itse motho wa Modimo gore tota e rile gotwe ke nna ke fentseng, ke fentse jang position e. Go raya gore ke lerato fela la ga Tautona le le mpeileng fa, jaanong ke tshwanetse gore ke dire sengwe le sengwe se a se batlang mo go nna.
The second Clause that demonstrates further gore we are a very limiting democracy, Clause 7 gives veto power to DIS gore fa e kare ke ntse ke ntse foo ramogona ke re ke Director General FIA, DIS e bo e ntsha setlankana kwa gore this guy no longer passes security classification, the post becomes vacant.

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comes to financial issues.

PSP ga se gore o itse sengwe le sengwe ka dilo tsa finance, ga a itse sepe.

Still goes back to the appointment process, fa e ka bo e ne e le gore appointment eo e dirwa ke a team or committee, DIS will not have the power to produce a veto certificate and cause a vacancy in the office immediately.
Their report will have to go to some committee, e bo e lebelela report gore gatwe rre yo o sentse eng, e bo e le yone e ka tsayang tshwetso ya gore this person is no longer fit and proper to continue to occupy office ya Director General FIA.

That is the reason Your Honour, Leader of the House why I am saying Botswana is a primitive democracy.

You cannot give veto power to the DIS gore e re once fela they issue a certificate, somebody should lose their job and the position becomes vacant.
Ga ke dumalane le kgang eo Mr Speaker.

The third reason why I am saying Botswana is a primitive democracy, re santse re dumela mo positions tse gotweng di na le political power... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Clarification sought, His Honour the Leader of the House.

Akere o dumetse Kapinga?

MR KAPINGA: Nnyaa rra ga ke ise ke dumele, let me solidify my position.

MR SPEAKER: Sorry sir.


MR KAPINGA: I am going to Clause 8; gatwe Permanent Secretary to the President (PSP) ke ene a yang go tsamaisa the National Coordinating Committee on Financial Intelligence.

What is the reason and the justification of giving that position to the PSP?

If it were me, I would go for the Governor of the Bank of Botswana because that is the person who is at the top of our financial system in this country.
Ke ene ke neng ke ka mo tlhopha gore nnyaa re lebelele komiti e rra, o re sekasekele se Financial Intelligence Agency e se dirang, o bone gore are they doing their job to make our financial system as clean and of high integrity as it is required by the international community.

Yo PSP le mo tsenya fela ka gore ke morongwana wa lona yo o tlaa dirang dilo tse di sokameng, tse le batlang di diriwa jaaka le mo ntsentse le kwa Judicial Service Commission (JSC).

It is wrong.
It is wrong.

We should not believe that wisdom presides only kwa go bo PSP, Minister, President.

It is wrong.

I would have at least gone for the Governor of Bank of Botswana, ke lebile his specialist expertise when it The next issue still at Clause 8, ke gore gatwe office of General Council shall be the secretariat to the committee.

What is the justification?

Who is General Council when it comes to Financial Intelligence issues?

O tsena fa kae as General Council?


O tsenngwa fela ka gore he is from the Office of the President (OP)?

That is the only thing that I know.

You do not even think it is enough gore le bo le tsentse PSP mo teng, le tsentse Permanent Secretaries (PSs) tse dingwe mo teng.

You want to even put the General Council mo teng to do what?
The right people to be the secretariat of this committee is the Financial Intelligence Agency itself, ke bone ba tshwanetseng gore ba nne bakwaledi ba golo mo because they are responsible for that portfolio.

Ke itse dilo di tsamaisiwa jalo, e seng ga lona mo le batlang go go dira mo.

Ke ya kwa Clause 10; ke re to give such a power to a primitive democracy like ours is very dangerous.
Fa le ka gakologelwa, ka nako ya ditlhopho the leader of the BDP went public a supa bangwe a re ba batla go itira ditsuulodi mo lefatsheng la Botswana e bile ba na le information ya gore batho bao ba na le ditlhobolo, they want to become insurgents in this country.

It is there; the video is there and then you give the power to such people to declare others terrorists.

I fully agree with Ramogapi gore we will be handing a gun to somebody who is dangerous, le go iphula a ka nnang a iphula ka yone.
E bile nako eo ke yone e neng gape ga tsenngwa story mo dipampiring gotwe go na le coup nngwe e e eteletsweng pele ke maIsrael against the Government of His Excellency the President Eric Masisi, gotwe go na le thankgolo Mmuso nngwe e tlaa diriwang.

Fa e le gore batho ba ba ntseng jaana, ke bone ba ba eteletseng pele Puso, ga ke ka ke ka tshepha gore ba dirisa thata e in a responsible manner.
I would rather as a lawyer, choose gore this power or authority to declare somebody a terrorist should be given to a Judge of the High Court.

Mongwe a tle ka bosupi jwa gore re na le bosupi jwa gore rre yo o ntse a dira 1, 2, 3,4,5,6, re kopa gore Lekgotla la High Court to declare gore he is a terrorist.

That one will have credibility, rather than e dirwang ke Minister wa Goromente yo re mo itseng gore ga a tshephege, o itshupile gore ga a tshephege.
Sa bofelo Mr Speaker, ke batla go bua ke riana; o bona organisations tse di tshwanang le bo FIA jaana, they are dealing with sophisticated issues, ba dira dikgang tse di maretshwa.

Fa ba dira dikgang tse di maretshwa jaana, 25 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.
34 OF 2021) Second Reading go botlhokwa thata gore batho ba ba hirwang teng, e bo e le ba ba rutegileng e bile ba rutetswe tiro, ba sugilwe thata go itebaganya le yone tiro e ya monitoring of money circulating in our country a tsena a tswa, ba rutilwe to a high degree Mr Speaker.

E bile ba rutilwe le kwa mafatsheng a sele a re itseng gore ba na le very sophisticated Financial Intelligence systems.
Re se ka ra tsaya mongwe le mongwe fela yo o fetang ka tsela, re mo tsaya fela ka gore yo e kare ke yo tshephegileng, ke yo re mo tshephang.

Re bo re mo fa maemo gore tsena o bereke mo Financial Intelligence Agency.

That is a specialised area Mr Speaker, very specialised area.

Ke na le tumelo ya gore fa re simolola re ne re ikgolola fela.

Re e dirile fela re ikgolola gore a re direng fela re tle re ba reyeng re re nnyaa re dirile Financial Intelligence Agency.
I believe that experience, maitemogelo a Goromente a a boneng since this organisation came into existence, ke dumela gore Honourable Tsogwane o lemogile le Goromente wa gagwe gore lephata le ga se sogwasogwane, ga se le o shankodisang fela o bo o re ke dirile Financial Intelligence Agency.
You need highly capable, highly educated, highly trained and highly exposed individuals, ba e leng gore they will be able to understand what is it that is going on with regard to our financial system in Botswana le mo mafatsheng a mangwe.
Ka mabaka one ao Mr Speaker, ka points tse ke di ntshitseng tseo, ke gone fa ke sa dumalaneng le molao o. Ga ke na pelaelo gore re le lefatshe la Botswana, go botlhokwa gore re bo re na le molao o o tiileng, o o nonneng, o o tlaa tlhomamisang gore madi a rona a lefatshe la Botswana ga a leswefale.

E bile ga re supiwe ke mafatshe a mangwe gore re butse kgoro, go itirelwa fela go rata le go kgona ke bao ba ba nang le madi a re sa itseng gore a tswa kae.
Ka mabaka a le kalo Mr Speaker, ke ntsha mabaka ao, gore ke one fela a ke sa dumalaneng le one mo molaong o. Fa nako e tlaa jaaka my colleague Honourable Tshere a buile, re tlaa tsenya our proposed amendments go dira gore molao o e nne wa maemo a a kwa godimo, a a sa supeng fa re santse re le a primitive democracy.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you very much Honourable Member for Okavango, Honourable Kapinga.
You are going to be followed by Honourable Member for Francistown South, Honourable Wynter Boipuso Mmolotsi, rraagwe Itu.

(FRANCISTOWN SOUTH): MR MMOLOTSI Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke tseye nako e, ke eleletse batlotlegi ngwaga o mosha le Batswana ka kakaretso.

MR TSOGWANE: Point of procedure Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Point of procedure ke gore, gakere re tshwanetse ra bo re beile leitlho ntlha e re e dumalaneng ya gore dibui mo Bills tse di nna kae, ba kganetso ba nna kae, ba ruling party ba nna kae.

Ke yone ntlha e e ka re dirang gore re bo re ye go fitlhelela selekanyo se re se beileng le dinako tse re di beileng, tse re di dumalaneng.

Ke tsaya gore e ne e le procedure ya gore a le a tlhola gore a dibui tse re di dumalaneng mo kemeding dintlheng tsotlhe di a wela kana ga di a wela?
Thank you sir.

MR SPEAKER: Give me a second to liaise with my able staff.

I will be with yourselves Honourable Members.

However, I can confirm thumb suck gore the BDP’s list is exhausted.

We had six speakers from the ruling BDP.

So far on the board we have ba ba iseng ba bue; Honourable Mmolotsi, Honourable Lucas and Honourable Reatile.

Go buile Honourable Ramogapi, Honourable Keorapetse, Member for Selebi Phikwe West and Honourable Tshere.
MR MMOLOTSI: Mr Speaker, o a bo o tlaa letlelela Mothusa Tautona a re diele nako.

MR SPEAKER: Emang pele batlotlegi.

Ke laola Ntlo fela, ga le ka ke la diega batsadi ba me.

I confirm fela.

I have to satisfy all of you Batlotlegi Mapalamente.

Gone in the meantime, I think Honourable Mmolotsi can go on speaking while we check dipalo.

It is right gore Honourable Mmolotsi is on the floor… MR TSOGWANE: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ke ne ke sa gane gore o ka tswelela.


Ke batla gore we must remind ourselves of the agreement.

It is supposed to be eight BDP, four from opposition and two from the minority parties.

MR SPEAKER: Sorry Honourable Members.

Gone re mo tseleng.

Honourable Member for Francistown South, please go on.

MR MMOLOTSI: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke simolola ka go supa gore ga go a re siamela re le Palamente ya Botswana gore mo nakong ya gompieno, re bo re santse re taboga re dira dilo ka diamaramara.
Ka lebaka la gore re akanya gore go tlaa nna le mathata.

We did not plan, ga re a ipha nako.

Re felela re thulwa ke dikgang especially tsone tsa FATF.

Di nna di tla kwa go rona o kare di tla ka tshoganetso.

O kare ga re na experts mo Botswana tse di ka nnang di sekaseka melao nako le nako go bona gore molao wa rona o ka tswa o bo o tlhaela eng, jalojalo.

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Ke gakologelwa gore le mo Palamenteng e fetileng ya Bolesome, re ne re tswa masigo, re tswa phakela, e le gore re dira melao e ka lebaka la gore e re thudile.

Re ne re sa itse gore ke melao e e sa lekanang, e e tlhaelang golo gongwe.
E bo e le gore fa re setse re tsena mo mathateng re tloga re nna blacklisted kana grey listed, ke gone re iphitlhelang re le mo nakong e re tshwanelwang ke go taboga.

Ke dumela gore go ya kwa pele Mr Speaker, re tlaa tshwanelwa ke go nna le experts jaaka re na le tsone, tse di nnang di sekaseka melawana ya rona di e bapisa le ya mafatshe a mangwe.

Di e bapisa le requirements tsa makgotla a e leng gore we affiliate le one gore le rona re nne in control.

Re se ka ra nna re tabogile ka dinako tsotlhe.


E re fa o santse o re o buisa phuthego ya Kgotla, go bo gotwe o a batliwa kwa Palamenteng go na le Palamente ya Emergency.

Ga re a tshwanela go bereka ka emergency.

Golo mo Mr Speaker, ke dumela gore go tlhoka to plan, go ipaakanyetsa diemo, ke go palelwa ke go busa.

Nngwe ya ingredients tsa go busa mo go siameng ke gore e bo e le gore we plan for dilo tsotlhe and we are always ready go dira dilo sentle.
Having said that Mr Speaker, ke ne ke utlwa Mapalamente bangwe ba supa gore ba leboga Tautona Rre Masisi le Mma Serame gore ba bo ba ne ba baakanya molao gore re tswe mo thulaganyong ya blacklisting e re neng re le mo go yone.

Ke supe gore gone golo mo, ke gone mo go kopakopanyang dilo.

Mapalamente ba a itse gore Tautona le Minister of Finance ga se bone ba ba baakanyang molao.

Molao o baakanngwa ke Palamente.


Ba bo ba ema fa pele ga television ya setšhaba ba re ba lebogela Tautona le Minister of Finance gore ba bo ba baakantse molao, mme ba ntse ba itse gore ga se Tautona le Minister of Finance.

Paakanyo ya molao e dirwa ke Palamente.

Gone golo mo, ga se go supa gore re tlhaloganya se re se dirang re le Mapalamente.

Ke go supa fela gore re akantse go bua ka tsela e e ntseng jaana, gongwe go ka go thusa gore o bone maemo a a botoka mme o sa rute setšhaba boammaaruri.
Setšhaba se tshwanelwa ke go rutwa boammaaruri, se bolelelwe gore Palamente ke yone e e dirang molao mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Molao ga o dirwe ke Tautona le Tona a le nosi.

OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MS MONNAKGOTLA): On a point of clarification Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke utlwa motlotlegi a bua gore batlotlegi bangwe ba ne ba leboga Tona, e bile ba ne ba leboga Tautona.
Ke botse motlotlegi gore a mme o utlwile sentle kgotsa o tlhaloganya sentle gore, molao gore o tle kwa Palamenteng, o a bo o tswa go dirwa pele kwa lephateng lone leo, a bo e le gone re tlang go o debate mo Palamenteng?

Tanki Mr Speaker.

MR MMOLOTSI: Nnyaa Mr Speaker, ke dumela gore gongwe ke tswelele pele fela as if ga go a diragala sepe.

Ke tsene fela mo kgannyeng ya gore ke rata go dumalana le bakaulengwe ba babedi ba ba buileng, Motlotlegi Ramogapi le Honourable Kapinga.
Ba ba neng ba bua ka kgang ya gore Clause 10, jaaka e setse e supile, gatwe Minister can declare motho gore e nne a terrorist.

It does not matter gore go na le process e e ntseng jang.

Re a tlhaloganya gore mo Pusong ya BDP, bo Minister ba kgona gore ba dirise technocrats dilo fela tse di duleng mo tseleng.

Re a itse gore bo Ministers are capable go dira dilo fela tse di gakgamatsang.
Ke sone se ke leng motho wa bofelo go ka dumalana le ...(Interruptions)… gore gatwe Minister o ka neelwa dithata tsa to declare mongwe gore e nne terrorist ka gore ke a itse gore they are capable of anything.

Ke batho ba go tlaabong go tswa fela mo go reng ka nako eo, ba teilwe gotwe ke mang yo o tshwanelwang ke go dirwa eng.
Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, fa ke lebile le ka fa Puso ya gompieno e tletseng boswele ka teng, go nna bokete go dumela gore ke ka neela Tona wa Puso ya Domkrag dithata tsa to declare mongwe gore e nne terrorist, ke ntse ke itse gore ba ka kgona gore ba dire sengwe le sengwe.
O tlaa gakologelwa gore ngwana mongwe o ntse a taboga kwa court, gotwe is charged ka terrorism mme e le gore kwa bofelong jwa letsatsi, re lemoga fa e le gore ke fa ba boetse charges tseo kwa morago, mme kana terrorism, punishment ya teng is capital.

Ke gore fa o bonwe molato wa gore o terrorist, o a bolawa.
So ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, gore ke letlelele gore molao o o fete, o bua dikgang tse di ntseng jaana, o a ntshosa ka gore ka fa ke bonang Goromente yo, Puso e e le swele ka teng, Batswana ba le ba ntsi ba ka nna declared terrorists.

E bile re a bona gore go na le ba ba alotsweng, ba e leng gore Goromente yo ga a ba batle, o lwa le bone.
Gongwe e bile maikaelelo a molao o, fa gongwe ga se sepe se se kalokalo, ke go sala bangwe morago gore go tle go dirisiwe molao o gore jaanong ba kgone go tshwarwa ka gore ke lebaka le le leele Goromente wa Domkrag a ntse a batla go ba dira terrorists, mme go sa kgonagale ka gore they are not ...(Interruptions)… So ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, I will not agree gore ke fetise molao o o rialong.

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34 OF 2021) Second Reading MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (MS SERAME): Clarification.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Tota ke ne ke rile ke tlaa itshwara, ke tlaa e araba kwa bofelong, jaanong ke bona o kare e a kekela ka segarona le Motlotlegi Wynter Mmolotsi.

Batlotlegi, ke a le utlwa kgang e le e buang e Honourable Mmolotsi ya gore Minister declares gore motho ke terrorist, mme o bo o boa gape e le wena wa re it does not matter gore go na le process.
Jaanong ga ke itse gore fa go na le process, o bo o re ga o na sepe gore go na le process, tota eo ga ke e tlhaloganye.

Potso e ke batlang go e botsa ke gore, a o a tlhaloganya gore tota golo mo ga se gore go go sha?

Go ntse go na le molao o o reng, Minister can declare motho gore ke terrorist, ke gore fela o ne o le ka kwa go ya Counter- Terrorism, now that the committee e sutela ka fa, ke sone se Clause eo jaanong le yone e sutelang ka kwa.
Jaanong ke leka go go raya ke re, molao o kana o ntse o le teng, mme go ntse go na le process.

Le ene ngwana yo o buang ka ene yo, ga a a ka a nna declared terrorist, go ne ga tsamaiwa ka process fela gore a seke.

Jaanong ke ne ke batla go botsa fela gore a o a itse gore gone mo re go dirang mo, mo re go fetisetsang ka fa, go ntse go le teng since 2014?

Thank you.
Thank you.

MR MMOLOTSI: Ke a itse gore go ntse go le teng, mme ke lebogela gore gompieno go bo go tsile mo Bill e, gore re tle re kgone go bua ka ga gone go le mo Bill.

Ke na le tumelo e e seng kana ka sepe ya gore mabaka a teng a matona a a dirang gore le bo le go transfer go tswa ka kwa, go tla go tsena mo Bill e, mme e bile go na le thulaganyo ya gone e lona le e itseng ba e leng gore le a transfer.
Gape le jaaka ke ne ke bua ka process, ke santse ke ipoeletsa ke re, fa mapolotiki a batla go dira se ba se dirang, ga o ka ke wa ba kganela, le technocrats ga di ka ke tsa ba kganela go dira se ba batlang go se dira, le fa di ka gakolola jang.

Fa Puso e batla go dira se e batlang go se dira, e a se dira.

Re a itse re ka a fa dikai tsa maladministration e e tswang kgakala e dirwa ke Puso ya Domkrag, go ntse go na le tsamaiso.
Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, ke sone se Honourable Minister, ke bonang go le bokete gore ke dumalane le gore thulaganyo e e tswelele ka gore I know what you are capable of.

Ke tswelele gape ke re, ke a tshwenyega tota ka fa dikomiti tsa rona re di dirang ka teng, jaaka dikomiti le sub-committees tse di dirwang mo go Goromente, including this one.

Re tlaabo re na le thulaganyo e e tsepameng, e re itseng gore gatwe go tlhokiwa batho ba mofuta o o ntseng jaana le jaana.
A bo e le gore jaanong fa re ntse re itse gore go tlhokiwa batho ba ba ntseng jaana, ba ba ka dirang tiro ka botswerere, ba ba tseneng sekole having specialised mo areas tsa gore, re a e tlogela re le Goromente, re bo re dira mo gotweng tailored deployment, a bo e le gore re tsaya bagarona ba mapolotiki, re ba tsenya mo maemong, re ba neela maemo a a sa ba lekanang.

Ke ka a fa sekai fela gompieno jaana, gone mo Francistown, maloba fela Deputy Court Presidents were appointed.
A bo e le gore fa go hirwa Deputy Court Presidents, mo Kgaolong ya Francistown South, go hirwa former Councillor wa BDP gatwe e nne Deputy Court President.

Ke ipotsa gore qualifications tsa motho ene yoo, that qualify him gore e nne Deputy Court President, ke tse gotweng mang, ka gore ke Mokhanselara fela yo e leng gore ga re tlhaloganye mo go kalokalo gore kwa ntle ga bokhanselara, background ya gagwe ke eng.
Kwa kgaolong ya ga Honourable Moswaane yone tailored deployment e jaaka le bua ka sub-committees that are going to be established, le a itse gore le ya go dira eng.

Kwa go Honourable Moswaane, go hirilwe former Member of Parliament (MP) yo e leng gore ga go na sepe se re ka reng se mmapisitse le tiro ya bo Deputy Court President.

Ke gore le assign ditiro ka maemo a ga Goromente ...(Interruptions)… gore motho o dirile eng, is qualified for eng.

MR KEORAPETSE: Elucidation Mr Speaker.


Ke ne ke re kana gone go shoma maemo mo, a shomiwa o kare go shomiwa kgwathe wa tlala kana go shomiwa kgori e shomelwa Kgosi, kana le kwa Selebi Phikwe ...(Interruptions)…kobo ka letshoba ka gore former Councillor wa Domkrag le gone koo o dirilwe Court President.

A o a itse mokaulengwe gore go shoma moo le rona go re apesitse kobo ka letshoba kwa toropong ya Selebi Phikwe?
MR MMOLOTSI: Ee rra, gakere ke gore kwa bofelong jwa letsatsi, tiro ya ga Goromente ga e diragale sentle ka lebaka la gore we are not deploying the right people at the right places, re dira fela mo gotweng nnyaa, mme tlaa re direle bagaetsho ditiro ka lebaka la gore ke ba ba jelwe ke ditlhopho.

Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, ke a bona gore maikaelelo ke gore re ya to establish a sub-committee to enable performance of its functions.

Sub-committee yone e, mo go nna, ke bona o kare ke go tshamekisa batho fela.
Ke go tshamekisa setšhaba ka lebaka la gore bone ba ba yang go hirwa mo dikomiting tsone tse, ga se gore ba ya go hirwa ka lebaka la gore ba ka thusa ka sepe, ba itse tiro, ba na le background ya sone se ba se hirelwang, ba ya go hirelwa fela gore e rile fa gotwe, re a tsamaya Masisi o a re bitsa, le bone ba 28 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.

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Dilo tse di a gakgamatsa, ke gore fa o bona le kgona gore le tseye motho fela le bo le mo neela bo Court President kana Deputy Court President fa re itseng gore justice e tshwanelwa ke go dirwa teng, go sekisiwa batho go lebilwe melao, mme a bo e le gore le tsenya mongwe le mongwe fela, o kgona go bona gore ga go na sepe se re ka tlholang re se kgona re le lefatshe la Botswana.
Fa e le gore re palelwa ke go itse gore, gore motho a ye go nna Court President go tlhoka motho yo o nang le exposure-nyana ya molao, gongwe a kile a nna lepodise kana a dira molao golo gongwe.

mokang a le collapsed.

Gompieno jaana le ba re neng re ka baya mo go bone bo Motlotlegi Dr Matsheka re re gongwe ba ka thusa ke ba ba dule, ba re neng re ka baya mo go bone re re ba ka thusa bo Motlotlegi Rre Balopi, ke bao le bone ba dule.
O kgona go bona gore jaanong Goromente who is presiding over this country re mo mathateng a a gakgamatsang, a o tlaa ipotsang gore a go a itsiwe gore go iwa kae, go a go buiwa leng, kana batho ba mo lefifing fela.

Tota re na le mathata a matona mo lefatsheng la Botswana, ke sone se o bonang jaanong malatsing a sengwe le sengwe se itsamaisa sesole.

Jaanong ga re tlhabiwe ke ditlhong gore re bo re iphitlhela re le Goromente re zamelana ditiro tsa setšhaba, re sa sale tsamaiso morago.
Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo ke sone se ke neng ke re ke batla go dumalana le bakaulengwe ba ba reng, e-e molao o tota e re ntswa re o tlhoka gore o tshwanelwa ke gore o baakanngwe o nne sentle, mme re tshwanelwa ke gore re itise.

Thatathata lona babusi, le itise go bona gore ga le dirise melao e ditiro tse e leng gore kwa bofelong jwa letsatsi re tlaa di itsholela, e le gore ditiro tsa rona tsa ga Goromente ga di diriwe sentle.
Re a palelwa ka lebaka la gore batho ba re ba tsentseng mo go tsone ke ba ba neng ba sa di kgone, ba tsenyeditswe fela gore ke batho ba e leng gore ke maDomkrag jaaka rona.
Gape ke batla go dumalana le Honourable Kapinga gore, I would have preferred somebody else, and not that Honourable Kapinga has suggested Central Bank Governor, I think ke suggestion e gongwe ke ka tsamaya le yone ya gore, tota fela we know gore the Central Bank Manager or Governor ke ene yo e leng gore ditiro tse, o dira tiro e on daily basis, o tlhaloganya financial matters.
O tlhaloganya tse tsotlhe tse di tsamaelanang le madi, and therefore that particular person will probably be the right person gore re mo tsenye koo ka gore bo Permanent Secretary (PS) are administrative, ba neelwa maemo fa gongwe gotwe bo PS bo administrative fela they can run, mme ba sena understandings ya those particular areas.
In this particular case we are dealing with a highly specialised area, e e leng gore fa re batla gore tiro e e dirwe sentle re tshwanelwa ke gore re senke yo o tlaa yang go e tlhaloganya sentle ka botswerere, e se wa nkgosa kgosa.

Kwa bofelong jwa letsatsi re batla go direla lefatshe la Botswana tshiamo, mme fa re batla go direla Botswana tshiamo we need to engage the best and the brightest, gore ba kgone go tsamaisa itsholelo e, ba kgone go tsamaisa lefatshe le.
Fa re sa dire jalo re tlile go felela re ipona jaaka o bona gompieno jaana, e le gore ga go na se se tsamayang sentle, Goromente ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order Mr Speaker.

MR MMOLOTSI: Sengwe le sengwe se itsamaisa sesole… MR SPEAKER : Point of order, Honourable Mmolotsi, point of order supersedes all other points.
LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Mr Speaker, we agreed at the General Assembly after long struggle that we must manage our debate in such a manner that we are going to use option number three.

Now I can see that we are not even following what we have agreed upon.

If I may remind you Mr Speaker option three states that, there will be 14 speakers- ruling party nine, opposition four, minority one, speaking for 20 minutes.

That is option three that we have agreed with.


So with ruling party only six so far, but if we decide to save time as ruling party we can forego our three members.

So we are completely out of order.

We are completely out of order, if the list has been exhausted by the other parties then we must stop.

Mr Speaker, let us follow what we have agreed on.

That is my point of order.

Thank you.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Letsatsi leno go ne gotwe we should not debate, o se ka wa lebala, o di bue tsotlhe.
Go ne gotwe re simolola debate kamoso.

E re o ntse o kotela Speaker jaana o ... MR TSOGWANE: Jaanong what are you debating, fa e le gore go ne go tilwe le se ka la debate?

Re ka bo re nnile le free day.

Ga o na... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le wena you have debated.

MR TSOGWANE: Wena kana motho wa Mahalapye ga o ke o batla go bua sepe se se tsamaelanang le batho ba bangwe.

29 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.
34 OF 2021) Second Reading HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Laughter!)...

O teng mogolole?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ...(Laughter!)...

a tshosetsa.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mahalapye o mo tsenya fa kae, VP dumela!

MR TSOGWANE: Re teng re go nyoretswe.

Re ne re nyoretse go utlwa lentswe la gago.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mme o ne o re tshwere sentle maloba VP!

MR TSOGWANE: Kae?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ne o re tshwere sentle maloba o eteletse lefatshe VP!

MR SPEAKER: May we have order please!


May we have order please Honourable Members!

Nnyaa, mme re tlhamaletse bakaulengwe, the ruling party e tlisitse six.

So far mo go wa opposition re mo go wa bo five, go santse go setse two.

MR TSOGWANE: Nnyaa Mr Speaker, go setse two jang ka gore option ... MR TSOGWANE: Nnyaa, ke bua ka se re se dumalaneng, re tshwanetse gore re sale se re se dumalaneng morago.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Jaanong ke eng mme o ntsha directives?
HONOURABLE MEMBER: No ga se directive, tumalano.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O gakolotse go utlwilwe, ba tlaa e diragatsa ba tsaya ditshwetso, gakere ga se ene a tsayang tshwetso.

MR TSOGWANE: ...(Inaudible)... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ka re maloba o ne o re tshwere sentle VP, o palame sefofane o re tsholeletsa lebogo!

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...

(Laughter!)...

MR SPEAKER: Hang on a second, go raya gore Opposition drew... HONOURABLE MEMBER: A tsena go sele.

O ne a timela akere, le lebetse?


HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... MR SPEAKER: May we have order please!

BDP e tlhaela ka three, jaanong fa lona le re file six fela, ga re ka ke ra tsamaya ra botsa gore le tsamaya fa kae.

MR TSOGWANE: Mr Speaker, let us correct this, kana slots tse go tilwe fa re batla to save nako, batho ba ka nna ba seke ba bue.

So let us stick to the numbers, not gore ba ba BDP ba buile.

Mo BDP re ka nna ra bua re le babedi to save time.


So they do not pass onto the opposition bone ba tsaya tsa bone slots, that is the principle.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: le nna ke tlogetse nako e ntsi, eight minutes saving nako.

Re ja nako jaanong fa re riana HONOURABLE MEMBER: Gakere fa o buile VP o a bo o ba bueleletse, kana ba utlwa ka wena fela.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR TSOGWANE: Nna ke bua ka se re se dumalaneng, I am not instructing ope.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: A VP o fetogile go nna Speaker jaanong?

MR TSOGWANE: O lucky ka gore motho fa a act ga a na dithata tsa go atlholela leso, o ka bo...(inaudible)… HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...

(Laughter!)...

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... MR SPEAKER: May we have order please!

May we have order Honourable Members!

I have indeed verified our figures and the agreement as stated by His Honour the VP.
Mmang ke le tlhalosetse fela jaana bakaulengwe, go ne go tilwe the ruling BDP e tlise nine, on their own accord ba bo ba felela ba le six, e le gore nine ke ya BDP, opposition ga bo gotwe e tlise five, altogether makes 14.

Go raya gore BDP ka gore you decided gore le tlisa six le feletse gone foo.

The Opposition go dumalanwe five, so indeed Honourable Mmolotsi is the fifth Member of the Opposition.

Re tlaabo re ema ka Honourable Mmolotsi.


Ba bangwe ba ba kwadileng kwa morago ga ga Honourable Mmolotsi go raya gore ga ba yo mo palong.

Re ne re sa lebelela the slot until His Honour the VP queried.

So re ya go ema ka Honourable Mmolotsi and then we will call upon the Honourable Minister responsible for the chapter to respond to the debate.

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O a bona Honourable Minister Serame gore Matona a puso fa ba batla selo... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker!

MR MMOLOTSI: Ke gore kgokgontshiwa ... le Speaker o ka MR SPEAKER: Go na le mongwe yo o batlang procedure, ga ke a utlwa.

There is somebody calling, is that Honourable Member for Bobonong?

MR LUCAS: Ee rra.

Ke ne ke re Mr Speaker kana fa o bua ka dipalo tse o di buang tseo ke tsaya gore o di amanya gape le nako.
Jaanong fa ba BDP ba rile ga ba na kgatlhego ya go bua ke tsaya gore nako e e neng e beetswe Bill eo e santse e le teng, ka jalo o ka re letlelela gore re e buisane ka gore ke tsaya gore Bill e e botlhokwa fela thata.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.


goreng… ke dumalana le Mapalamente ba ba reng fa e le gore Domkrag e tlisa six instead of nine, then it means there is extra 30 or 40 minutes which can be taken by the opposition so that we can fully engage and come up something se se nonofileng Mr Speaker.

Ga ke itse gore re ka e leba ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Ke ne ke kopa ke ikokobetsa ka botho jo bo kalokalo.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ne o seyo kwa General Assembly?
MR BOKO: Nnyaa, ga ke bue dikgang tsa General Assembly.

In as much as ...(Inaudible)… it does not make sense for me to say nnyaa re batla Honourable Slumber Tsogwane e nne ene fela yo o buang, ba bangwe ba se ka ba bua because re alotse nako.

No, we cannot do things like that.

We need to be smart about this Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Boko, kante o bua o le kae monna?

Fa o kare o kgakala jaana.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

MR BOKO: Ke mo Gaborone.


MR SPEAKER: Bagaetsho, emang pele, ba bangwe ba bua fela ke sa ba utlwe.

The last Honourable Member of Parliament that we are responding to o ne a eme ka procedure, which I think we have cleared and then we called Honourable Mmolotsi to resume his position.

Ga ke itse gore jaanong mathata a fa kae?

Re dumalane, ke ne ke bala tumalano ya rona ya General Assembly bakaulengwe.

Five from the opposition and nine from BDP.


BDP decided gore ba tlaa bua ba le six, so they have exhausted their slot.

Opposition.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker, Boko.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko, what is your procedure mokaulengwe?

MR BOKO: Procedure.

Thank you Mr Speaker.


Ke ne ke re gongwe re thusaneng fa because kgantele re ya go fitlhela e le gore mo Bill e nngwe e e latelang, Domkrag e ntsha motho a le mongwefela go tla go bua, maikaelelo e le go somarela nako, UDC ba bo ba exhaust slots tsotlhe tse ba di neetsweng.

I do not think go tidy Mr Speaker gore jaanong le rona e nne e kete re gaisana ka go leka go ka somarela nako.

The intention is not to save time but to fully engage on the Bills which are before us.
This is Parliament Mr Speaker and we are talking about most important Bills tse di yang go dirisiwa ke kokomane e e tlang and ga re ka ke ra dumalana mo HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Re eme fela, ga gona se se tswelelang.

MR SPEAKER: I will respond to you just now Honourable Boko.

Ke leba ditumalano tsa rona.

…Silence… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, ke lebeletse ditumalano tsa phakela bakaulengwe.
Re dumalane ka bakaulengwe ba le 14, go tlaa bua batlotlegi ba le 14; nine ya BDP, five ya opposition, mme botlhe ba ya go tshwara five hours.

BDP decided to go to six, opposition e ya kwa five, mme tse tsotlhe di tshwanetse tsa dirwa in five hours.

Five hours ga a ise a wele, so re a tswelela bakaulengwe.

Honourable Mmolotsi.

MR MMOLOTSI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke ne ke santse ke re ke a re Honourable Peggy Serame o bona le ene fa ke ne ke... MR TSOGWANE: Procedure Mr Speaker.
If we go against what we have agreed, then we will decide to get our three slots.

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If we now say we stick to time, not to the numbers, then it is a different agreement.

It is a different agreement because we have stuck to numbers.

So, if we go by number, we will get our three slots.

Our Members are ...(Interruptions)… bone ba feditse tsa bone, ba bararo ba ba setseng ke BDP, re tsholetsa matsogo.

Thank you.

le batla gore ba bue, go mo go lona le ka dira jalo.

Mme kana le itse gore re wela ka tumalano ...(Interruption)… ka tumalano ya lona ya nine, e le e boneng go sa tshwanela.
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR MMOLOTSI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke tsaya gore Honourable Peggy Serame o bona point e ke neng ke bua ka ga yone gore ... MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mmolotsi, ema pele.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Fa go ntse jalo, go raya gore re tsene mo laeneng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: VP o tlhakatlhakanya Palamente.

MR TSOGWANE: Ke lona le tlhakatlhakanyang, we cannot agree on something re bo re ya go dira se sele.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke wena le Speaker gakere.


MR TSOGWANE: The issue of hours ke gore ga le ka ke la feta hours tsa gore.

It is not that you must exactly get those hours.

Ke gore ga le ka ke la feta five hours.

That is the essence of the hours.

Ga se mo gotweng nnyaa, ga le ka ke la goroga kwa go five hours re a tšhaisa.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order.

MR TSOGWANE: These are our three slots, tsholetsang diatla bakaulengwe maDomkrag, slots tse tharo tse ke tsa lona.

Tsholetsang diatla.
Tsholetsang diatla.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order Mr Speaker!

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure!

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order.

MR SPEAKER: May we have order please!

You have made your point.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Emang pele bagaetsho!

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order.

MR SPEAKER: VP o ne a eme ka point of order.

We have to respond to him and then we go to another one.

Jaanong go mo go lona kana Your Honour.


Fa e le gore le ikotlhaela gore batho ba lona ba bararo ga ba a bua, MR SPEAKER: Honourable Kablay, what is your procedure?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, ke sale ke kopile point of order Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Ke tla kwa go wena mokaulengwe, ke ne ke sa go utlwa.

Honourable Kablay, what is your procedure?

GOVERNMENT WHIP (MR KABLAY): Mr Speaker, my procedure e ne e le gore jaanong le dira tiro ya rona bokete sir.
Re ne re dumalane gore go ya go bua Mapalamente a Domkrag a le kana, a opposition a le kana.

Jaanong rona to save time, that is why go buile ba le six.

Jaanong slots tse di setseng, ke tsa rona jaaka VP a bua Mr Speaker.

Jaanong slots tse, go ya go bua Honourable Morwaeng, Honourable Mthimkhulu le Honourable Leuwe, fa e le gore o batla gore di tsamaye jalo.

Rona re ne re leka to save nako.

Fa e le gore ga le batle to save nako, go raya gore re tlaa tswelela re debate.
Honourable Saleshando le Honourable Motsamai, re tswa go dumalana kwa Advisory Committee gore re tlile go dira jang.

Tshwetso ya rona ra e isa kwa General Assembly, ra feta ra dumalana koo.

Jaanong ga ke itse gore Mr Speaker fa o ganana le ditshwetso tse di dirilweng kwa Advisory Committee, mosola wa teng ke eng gore le dumalane dilo koo, e re le tsena mo Palamenteng le bo le tla le fetola se re se dumalaneng?

It is not fair Mr Speaker.


As Chief Whip, le dira tiro ya me bokete to my colleagues ba Domkrag.

Rraetsho, jaaka Mothusa Tautona a bua, re sale re feditse kgang bogologolo.

Jaanong fa o simolola o e busa o re nnyaa wena o batla five hours, no, this is not fair Mr Speaker.

Thank you.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Murmurs)... 32 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.

34 OF 2021) Second Reading MR SPEAKER: Iketleng bagaetsho.

Ke lona le ntlhakatlhakanyetsang.


Ke le reile ka re opposition ba mo mothong wa bone wa bofelo wa bo five, BDP e feditse batho ba bone ba ba six.

Ke lona jaanong le batlang go tsenya three, ke lona le tlhakatlhakanyang.

According to tiro yame fa, e ne e le gore Honourable Mmolotsi ke ene wa bofelo ke bo ke bitsa Minister.

Jaanong lona le a ntlhakatlhakanyetsa la re le kopa ba bangwe ba bararo.

Yo o tlhakatlhakanyang ke mang?


HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, you changed, la bofelo o bo o re jaanong let us continue, nako ke five hours.

Ke gone fa re tlileng ra fetoga teng.

Fa e le gore re go utlwa jaaka o bua … MR SPEAKER: Ke ne ke bala se se kwadilweng ke lona.

Your Honour, please, re tlogeleng bagaetsho re tsamaise Palamente.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba buile ba le six… MR SPEAKER: Ba buile ba le six ba feletse, go tshwanetse go tsene Honourable Mmolotsi.
MR MMOLOTSI: Ke tsaya gore Honourable Serame o bona kgang e ke ntseng ke e bua gore, fa Matona kana Mothusa Tautona ba batla gore sengwe se dirwe ka fa ba batlang ka teng, go ya go felela se dirilwe ka fa ba batlang ka teng.

Jaaka o bona Mothusa Tautona jaanong a tsere Palamente a batla gore a e dire bana ba gagwe, a go dire ngwana wa gagwe, go bereke ditshwetso tsa gagwe fela.

Tsone dilo tse, di dira gore ke nne le mathata a go dumalana le gore Minister can declare motho gore e nne terrorist.
Kwa bofelong Mr Speaker, ke dumalana le gore re tshwanelwa ke gore fa re sena go nna re ntsha dilabe tsone tse, molao o re o fetise ka gore it is undesirable for a country to be black listed or grey listed.

E bile ke le rotloetse gore going forward Minister, dilo tse a e se ka ya nna emergency.

A re nne re ntse re lebaleba and compare le gore mafatshe a mangwe a dira eng, compare gore le tsone organisations tsone tse gore ba batla eng jalojalo gore re se ka ra iphitlhela re le mo mathateng.
Kwa bofelong, ke leboge Rre Balopi le Dr Matsheka gore go ntse jalo, fa o bona seemo e le gore go mathata, ga re o tswe mo seretseng, o se ka wa tla wa maramariwa ka sone.

Jaanong ke rotloetsa gore gongwe Honourable Mmusi le bo Honourable Moagi le bone ba letlelele bo Healy ba tsene kwa, bone ba tswele kwa ntle, re tle re … HONOURABLE MEMBER: You are out of order.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O a bo o ka simolola Wynter.

MR SPEAKER: Order please.

Honourable Mmolotsi, please confine yourself to the Bill.
MR MMOLOTSI: Ke ne ke digela jalo ka gore bo Honourable Mmusi le Honourable Lefoko ga ba a tshwanelwa ke go nna mo nthagarageng eo.

Le nna fa ke ne ke le Rre Balopi kana Dr Matsheka, ke ka bo ke sa bolo go sia ka gore tota o a bona gore golo kwa seemo se dule mo tseleng, mo e leng gore ope yo o nang le serite sa gagwe go ya kwa pele… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nna o ntsenyetsang mo teng jaanong?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke wena o tshwanelwang ke nthagaraga eo.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Lefoko o gogobisa seriti.


MR SPEAKER: Order please.

Are you done Honourable Mmolotsi?

MR MMOLOTSI: Ke ne ke re Mr Speaker, Honourable Lefoko le Rre Mmusi le bone ba tswe ba se ka ba tla ba … MR SPEAKER: Confine yourself to the Bill Honourable Mmolotsi, ao batho ba Modimo.

MR MMOLOTSI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Mafoko ame a gorogile.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you very much.

Your time is up.

Re digetse dipalo tse re neng re di dumalane.


Honourable Minister Serame, please respond to the debate.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ya five hours o e fetogetse?

MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (MS SERAME): Thank you Mr Speaker and good afternoon.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

MS SERAME: Batlotlegi Mapalamente a a tlotlegang, ke kopa gore re tlotlaneng, re reetsaneng tlheng bagaetsho.
Ke kopa go simolola fela … 33 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.

34 OF 2021) Second Reading HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke a go tlotla Motlotlegi Serame, ke kopa procedure.

MS SERAME: A ko o didimale Boko.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa procedure from the Speaker Honourable Serame.
MR SPEAKER: Bagaetsho, re dumelane gore go ya go bua batho ba le 14; 14 e buile, five hours was just an estimate e ke e bonang e kwadilwe fa gore fa mongwe le mongwe a bua 20 minutes, mme 20 minutes yoo times 14 ga a dire that five hours.

This is just a rough estimate.

So re dumelana bagaetsho, ke ngwaga o mosha … MR SPEAKER: What is your procedure Honourable Boko?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O tsere instruction mo go Vice President gakere.

MR BOKO: On a point of procedure.

Thank you Mr Speaker.


Mr Speaker, two thing, and ke kopa gore le ntheetse this time around.

Ya ntlha Mr Speaker, you have made a ruling ya gore we need to exhaust the five hours, you will tell us gore jaanong o e boela morago, it is not a problem.
Number two Mr Speaker, tell us, in the event that in the next Bill Domkrag e ntsha motho a le mongwefela to debate kana ba le babedi, opposition le yone e bo e ntsha ba ba dumalanweng kwa General Assembly, a re ya go tswelela e le gore jaanong maikaelelo a rona ke go alola nako fela kana ka tsela e e ntseng jang Mr Speaker?

We need to be very clear along these things; clear it now.

That is the procedure e ke batlang gore re tsene mo go yone.
If we are left with 20 minutes Mr Speaker, we need to use those 20 minutes to debate this.

This is not a marathon.

We need to deal with the substantive issues.

Ga ke itse gore a ke a utlwala Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, let us not waste time ka batho ba ba sekeng ba attend General Assembly or whatever sa Palamente please.

Motho yo o re diela nako.

Can we proceed?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O supilwe ke mang?

O a bo one o ntse o didimetse fela fa.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O Speaker-nyana.


HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, ga ke na nako le batho ba ba senang mosola mme e le Ministers.

A tsentswe fela ka lenngobe.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba batla go shankodisa maDomkrag as usual.

Le shankodisa fela le apaya dibese ka bomo.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O tlaa dija dibese tsa teng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Batho fa ba palelwa o ba bona fela jalo.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Honourable Minister, please respond to the debate.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: … we are a progressive democracy.
MS SERAME: Thank you Mr Speaker, ke kopa go tswelela Batlotlegi.

Tlaa ke simolole ka go leboga batlotlegi botlhe ba ba nnileng le sebaka sa go akgela mo Molao-kakanyetsong o. Bontsi jwa bone ba ne ba lemoga le botlhokwa jwa gore re bo re fetisa molao o. Ke kopa gore rotlhe jaaka re o beilwe pele, ga se wa ga Peggy Serame, ga se wa party e e busang, ke molao wa Botswana.
Ke o re tshwanetseng gore fa re o sekaseka, re o lebelele gore re le lefatshe fa re ka se ka ra o fetisa, go ka re baya mo seemong se se ntseng jang.

Ke leboge Mapalamente otlhe a a tlotlegang ka gore tota fela ka bongwe jwa pelo, safe for a few, rotlhe ra re nnyaa molao o botlhokwa re lebeletse dintlha tsotlhe tse re neng re di bewa pele tsa gore ke eng re le fa re leng teng, re tshwanetse gore re o fetise re le Mapalamente.
Batlotlegi ba bangwe ke ntse ke utlwa ba umaka gore kgotsa ba ka nna le keletso ya gore go ka dirwa dingwe Ditshutiso mo Molao-kakanyetsong o. Jaanong ke a le kopa, molao o o dirwa ke batla ba le bantsi, ba o ba latolang Honourable Mmolotsi o re ga o itse gore ba teng, e le baitsaanape ba ba farologanyeng, ba mehama e e farologanyeng.

Ba nna fa fatshe, ba thulanya ditlhogo gore kwa bofelong o bo o na le Bill e e leng fa pele ga gago.
Gore re fetole clause epe fela or even a sub-clause mo teng, it also takes me going back to get advice from the expert ba Honourable Mmolotsi a sa itseng gore ba teng mo Botswana, mo ga Goromente.
Ke bone ba e leng gore ke a le kopa gore yo o nang le kakanyo ya gore sengwe se ka fetolwa kana sa tokafadiwa ka tsela epe, a dire notice nako e sale teng gore ke tle ke boele kwa go bone baitsaanape ba ke itseng ba le teng, ba tle ba nthuse gore tsetlana eo fa e ka fetolwa kana fa e ka dirwa jalo, ditlamorago tsa teng ke eng, ka gore molao mongwe le 34 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.
34 OF 2021) Second Reading mongwe o re o dirang fa, le sepe fela se re se fetolang, re tshwanetse gore re bo re ya go lebelela melao e mengwe yotlhe e mentsintsi tota gore fa re fetola seo, go ya go ama jang melao e mengwe eo yotlhe.

Jaanong ke a le kopa gore re ka berekela mo nakong.

Ntlha e nngwe ke gore Honourable Mmolotsi a re dilo di nna di le lepotlapotla ga a itse gore batho ba ntse ba dira eng.
Ke ne ke itheile ka re fa re simolola Palamente e, ke ne ke go bone ke tsaya gore ka ke buile ka boleele ke tlhalosa process yotlhe ya gore go diragetse eng from 2017 le maiteko a rona otlhe, le gore re ntse re dira eng up to this point, o ne o le teng, o reeditse.

Ga ke itse gore legale gore go diragetse jang gore o bo o sa nkutlwa.

Fa o ne o ntheeditse, o ka bo o sa bue mafoko a a reng batho ga ba plan, ba tla ka lepotlapotla ka gore o ka bo o tlhalogantse gore go na le process.
Gompieno re fa Palamenteng e gore re fetise melao, re bo re ipha sebaka sa six months gore re tle go sekasekwa gape.

E re ngwaga wa 2024 fa o ya go goroga re tla go dira tshekatsheko e e tseneletseng, re bo re le mo maemong a mantle a gore re fetisitse melao e bile e diragaditswe, re na le se se ka bonagalang on the ground gore nnyaa maduo ke a a gore molao o teng e bile o a diragadiwa.

Ke sone se re leng fano gompieno.


Fa e le gore ga se gone mo go bidiwang planning, ga ke itse gore jaanong moo re tlaa go bitsa re reng.

Mr Speaker, ke tlaa leboga batlotlegi ka dintlha le dikgakololo tse ba neng ba di bua.

Gape ke tlhalose gore bontsi jwa bone… MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Honourable Minister, on that issue ya bontsi jwa bone ya gore o tlaa leboga batlotlegi, e tlaa re kamoso Motlotlegi Mmaetsho Tona o bo o ba leboga, ke tlaa go fa nako gape.
This is a year of progress, peace, cooperation Honourable Members, we must understand each other.

As it is not 6 o’clock, I shall now call upon His Honour the Vice President to move a Motion of adjournment.

MOTION ADJOURNMENT LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Thank you Mr Speaker, I move that this House do now adjourn.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Question put and agreed to.


The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 5:33 p.m. until Tuesday 25th January 2022 at 2:00 p.m. 35 Hansard No 204Monday 24th January, 2022FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL, 2021 (NO.
34 OF 2021) Second Reading HANSARD RECORDERS Mr T. Gaodumelwe, Mr T. Monakwe, Ms T. Kebonang HANSARD REPORTERS Mr M. Buti, Ms Z. Molemi, Mr J. Samunzala, Ms N. Selebogo, Ms A. Ramadi, Ms D. Thibedi, Ms G. Baotsi HANSARD EDITORS Ms K. Nyanga, Ms C. Chonga, Mr K. Goeme, Ms G. Phatedi, Ms B. Malokwane, Mr A. Mokopakgosi, Ms O. Nkatswe, Ms G. Lekopanye, Ms T. Mokhure, Ms B. Ratshipa LAYOUT DESIGNERS Mr B.

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