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THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT FRIDAY 04 MARCH 2022 MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO: 205 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon.

Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP.

DEPUTY SPEAKER Hon.

P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP.

(Tonota) Clerk of the National Assembly Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly Acting Learned Parliamentary Counsel Assistant Clerk (E) His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP.

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP.


(Boteti West) CABINET - President - Vice President - Ms B. N. Dithapo - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe - Advocate L. O. Tlhowe - Mr R. Josiah Hon.

K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP.

(Molepolole South) - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

K. T. Mmusi, MP.

(Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon.

Dr L. Kwape, MP.

(Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon.

K. K. Autlwetse, MP.


(Specially Elected) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon.

K. S. Gare, MP.

(Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

P. K. Kereng, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism Hon.

Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP.

(Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon.

T.M.

Segokgo, MP.

(Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon.

K. Mzwinila, MP.
K. Mzwinila, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon.

T. M. Rakgare, MP.

(Mogoditshane) - Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development Hon.

A. M. Mokgethi, MP.

(Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon.

P. O. Serame, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon.

F. M. M. Molao, MP.

(Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Hon.

Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP.


(Tati East) Hon.

L. M. Moagi, MP.

(Ramotswa) - Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology - Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security Hon.

M. Kgafela, MP.

(Mochudi West) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

M. R. Shamukuni, MP.

(Chobe) - Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development Hon.

E. M. Molale, MP.

(Goodhope-Mabule) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development Hon.
D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP.

(Gaborone South) - Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

S. N. Modukanele, MP.

(Lerala -Maunatlala) Hon.

T. Monnakgotla, MP.

(Kgalagadi North) Hon.

M. M. Pule, MP.

(Mochudi East) Hon.

M. S. Molebatsi, MP.


(Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

S. Lelatisitswe, MP.

(Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness Hon.

N. W. T. Makwinja, MP.

(Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education Hon.

B. Manake, MP.
B. Manake, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

H. B. Billy, MP.

(Francistown East) Hon.

A. Lesaso, MP.

(Shoshong) - Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES Names Constituency Hon.

L. Kablay, MP.

(Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon.

Dr U. Dow, MP.

Hon.


P. Majaga, MP.

Hon.

M. Balopi, MP.

Hon.

J. S. Brooks, MP.

Hon.

C. Greeff, MP.

Hon.

T. Letsholo, MP.

Hon.

T. F. Leuwe, MP.

Hon.

T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP.

Hon.

Dr T. Matsheka, MP.

Hon.

S. N. Moabi, MP.

Hon.

P. K. Motaosane, MP.

Hon.

O. Regoeng, MP.

Hon.

J. L. Thiite, MP.


Specially Elected Nata-Gweta Gaborone North Kgalagadi South Gaborone Bonnington South Kanye North Takatokwane Gaborone Central Lobatse Tati West Thamaga-Kumakwane Molepolole North Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon.

D. Saleshando, MP.

(Leader of the Opposition) Hon.

M. G. J. Motsamai, MP.


(Opposition Whip) Maun West Ghanzi South Selebi Phikwe West Mahalapye East Sefhare-Ramokgonami Ngami Okavango Maun East Bobonong Selebi Phikwe East Palapye Nkange Mahalapye West Francistown West Hon.

D. L. Keorapetse, MP.

Hon.

Y. Boko, MP.

Hon.

Dr K. Gobotswang, MP.

Hon.

C. K. Hikuama, MP.

Hon.

K. K. Kapinga, MP Hon.

G. Kekgonegile, MP.

Hon.

T. B. Lucas, MP.

Hon.

K. Nkawana, MP.

Hon.

O. Ramogapi, MP.

Hon.

Dr N. Tshabang, MP.

Hon.

D. Tshere, MP.

Hon.


M. I. Moswaane, MP.

Hon.

T. S. Khama, MP.

Hon.

L. Lesedi, MP.

Hon.

B. Mathoothe, MP.

Hon.

M. Reatile, MP.

(Botswana Patriotic Front) Serowe West Serowe South Serowe North Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon.

W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.
Francistown South (Alliance for Progressives) TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT FRIDAY 4TH MARCH, 2022 CONTENTS PAGE (S) MINISTER’S QUESTION TIME........................................................................................................................1-6 QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE...................................................................................................................7-15 MOTION Government to Consider Supplementing North West District Cattle Farmers who Sell their Cattle to Botswana Meat Commission (BMC) Motion (Resumed Debate)..............................................................................................................................16-33 TABLING OF PAPERS Statutory Instrument No.
112 of 2021: Hypothecation (Authorised Creditors) (Amendment) Regulations, 2021.................................................................16 Statutory Instrument No.

113 of 2021: Hypothecation (Authorised Creditors) (Amendment) Regulations, 2021.................................................................16 Statutory Instrument No.
117 of 2021: Hypothecation (Authorised Creditors) (Amendment) Regulations, 2021................................................................16 Report on the Fatal Accident of the Robinson R44 Raven Helicopter, ZSSBM at Western Sand Veld Ranches on the 5th March, 2021........................................16 Friday 4th March, 2022 THE ASSEMBLY met at 9:00 a.m. (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) P R A Y E R S * * * * MINISTER’S QUESTION TIME MINISTER OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND COOPERATION THEME: GOVERNMENT POLICY ON REPATRIATION OF REMAINS OF BOTSWANA CITIZENS WHO DIE IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES MR D. L. KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE WEST): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, the… …Silence… MR KEORAPETSE: …policy with Parliament.

The Minister can confirm to the House, we learn that it can cost between P100 000 to P200 000 to fly the remains from overseas depending on the distance and country.

This is prohibitively exorbitant for an average Botswana family.

Given that Batswana living overseas do not die regularly and given that most families are unable to meet these costs, should Government not step in to assist with transportation of the remains?
The other difficulty Mr Speaker, we see is referring the matter to the Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development to assist through Social Protection Funds after assessing the family to ascertain their inability or otherwise to meet the obligations.

However, Mr Speaker, the process is problematic in the sense that the yardstick is that of a destitute, in other words, most families will not qualify to meet the destitute status on assessment but would still be unable to meet the expensive cost.
P100 000 is a lot of money for an average family to raise within days.

So does it not bother this Government to see calls for contributions from distressed families crying to caring Batswana to assist with contributing towards repatriation of loved ones’ remains?

What reputational damage do we suffer as a country when bodies take months in mortuaries in far flung areas or overseas while social media is awash with requests for Batswana to contribute.
Mr Speaker, the Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC) is of the opinion that every Motswana who leaves Botswana to work or live in another country, especially far places, they somehow raise this country’s flag high especially if they do well.

So even during death, we should know that they went there to represent us hence it is important that we bury them with dignity.
Inconsequently, in repatriation of the remains as this will also show other countries that indeed we are a caring nation and we love our people.

It would even key value of Botho, which other people may find attractive and they would want to come and see this caring nation.

the Government should help Ka bokhutshwane ke gore Batswana ba ba tlhokafalang ba le kgakala kwa mafatsheng a sele Mr Speaker, boikarabelo jwa ga Goromente ke eng?
A Goromente ga a bone gore nako e tsile ya gore a simolole go thusa Batswana, bogolo jang ba ba retelelwang ke go tlisa mebele ya bone mo lefatsheng la Botswana, ka gore go lebega go le turu thata.

Mapalamente ba nna ba leletswa, ba bolelelwa gore kana re na le motho o tlhokafetse, ga re na madi re le lelwapa go mo tlisa gae, mme o fitlhela e le gore Batswana ba mo mathateng ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.
Jaanong tota re ne re akanya gore Goromente gongwe nako e tsile ya gore a sekaseke kgang yone e ka gore tota go turu go tlisa motho a tlhokafetse, bogolo jang tota ke remeletse mo mafatsheng a a kgakalakgakala, mafatshe a a tsididi a a kwa bo Europe, America le Asia jalojalo.

Go na le gore gotwe lelwapa le kgona gore le isiwe (refer) kwa go bo mmaboipelego gore ba ye go le sekaseka.
Ke bo ke re, mathata ke gore lelwapa la teng, fa le lebeletswe go tlaabo gotwe nnyaa, ga le qualify e le lelwapa la destitutes.

O fitlhela e le gore lelwapa leo, le fa le ntse le sa qualify, mme gone, le a palelwa kana ga le kgone gore le ka tlisa mmele wa ngwana wa bone yo o tlaabong a tlhokafetse a le kwa mafatsheng.
Jaanong gone mo, go tsenya tsebetsebe, o fitlhela e le gore go mo social media, go buiwa ka motho yo o tlhokafetseng, dinepe tsa gagwe di gongwe le gongwe, go kopiwa madi gore Batswana kolekang, re palelwa ke go tlisa ngwana wa rona yo o kwa mafatsheng.

E le gore ngwana jaanong o ya go tsaya lebaka le le leele a le mo mortuary kwa mafatsheng e le gore Goromente ga a kgone go thusa.
Kgang ya bofelo ke gore kana Goromente o kile a ne fa gongwe a kgona go adima batho madi, mme o ne a ntsha lebaka la gore fa gongwe batho ba tlaabo ba tla ba sa duele Goromente fa ba adimilwe madi.
Jaanong ke botsa gore gone fa ka gore tota golo mo ke madi a mantsi, le gone Batswana ga ba tlhokafale letsatsi le letsatsi kwa mafatsheng a sele, ke eng Goromente sa tseye boikarabelo ka go fa Embassies madi gore ba 1 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022MINISTER’S QUESTION TIME kgone go thusa mo seemong sa tshoganetso se se masisi jaaka gore motho o a bo a tlhokafetse, mme a le kwa lefatsheng le sele?

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, mma ke utlwe gore karabo ke e e ntseng jang.
AND COOPERATION INTERNATIONAL ACTING MINISTER OF AFFAIRS (MR MORWAENG): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

E bile ke go ikokobeletse wena le boeteledipele jo bo tlotlegang jo bo leng fano.

Motlotlegi Rre Keorapetse, ke boammaaruri o boditse potso e, mme ke potso e e botlhokwa thata, re lebile dikgang tse a buang ka tsone tse di amang bagarona, Batswana.
O e boditse ka puo ya seeng, re e arabile ka puo ya seeng, mme gape o ile a tsenya Setswana mo teng, fa a ntse a bua, e tlaare fa ke fetsa go e araba ka puo ya seeng, ke bo ke araba tse dingwe tse a neng a setse a di boleditse kwa pele, gore e tle e re supplementaries di tla, re bo re amile tse a neng a bua ka tsone.

Government and Rural Development through the Department of Social Protection for assessment.
The Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development would usually assist cases which are found to be destitute.

During Financial Year 2021/22 the Ministry of International Affairs and Cooperation has facilitated the repatriation of the remains of 10 Batswana as follows: REPATRIATIONS OF REMAINS OF BATSWANA: YEAR 2021/2022 REGION NUMBER COUNTRIES Africa 6 Namibia - 4 Americas 1 2 Asia 1 Europe South Africa-1 Zambia-1 USA - 1 China - 2 United Kingdom-1 NO 1.

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Mr Speaker, currently the Government of Botswana does not have a standing policy on the repatriation of the remains of Botswana citizens who die abroad.

However, the Ministry of International Affairs and Cooperation, under the mandate of providing consular services to Batswana abroad, assists by facilitating the families to follow processes established in respective countries abroad.
Mr Speaker, repatriation of human remains to one’s country involves a lot of organisation and processes, including close liaison between various parties such as families in Botswana, funeral undertakers and representatives in the jurisdiction appointed by the next of kin of the deceased.
The ministry and its missions abroad, assists by finding out all that needs to be done in the countries where this would have happened, informs and receives families where possible, assists with following the processes and issuing the necessary official documents which are usually required for clearance of the deceased in the repatriation process.
Therefore, Botswana Missions abroad play a significant role in the coordination of communication between the parties and facilitating arrangements for the repatriation of deceased remains of Batswana.
The ministry also refers families in Botswana who are unable to afford the cost involved in repatriating the remains of their loved ones to the Ministry of Local Total 10 However Mr Speaker, there are some challenges and the biggest challenge in the repatriation process of the remains of Batswana are expectations by families for the Government to automatically provide financial assistance.
During the COVID-19 pandemic, as another challenge, logistical arrangements to transport remains of Botswana citizens have become a challenge as airlines have introduced stringent international travel regulations, including ferrying human remains which are transported as air cargo.

Jaanong ke ya mo go tse Mr Speaker, Rre Keorapetse a neng a di boleditse kwa pele ka puo ya rona ya Setswana.

Jaaka a setse a tlhalositse e bile a tlhomamisitse, go ditshenyegelo tse dintsi.
Madi a teng jaaka a supa, go tlisa serepa go tswa kwa mafatsheng a a kgakala, go kgona gore e nne P100 000 kana P200 000.

Boammaaruri ke gore Lephata la Foreign Affairs, ga le na itsholelo e e lekaneng go ka tsena mo ditshenyegelong tse di kalo, madi ga a yo gotlhelele.
Se se diragalang ke gore, Batswana botlhe ba ba yang kwa mafatsheng a sele, nngwe ya dilo tse re le ba Foreign Affairs re di rotloetsang ke gore, Batswana botlhe ba ba yang kwa mafatsheng a sele, e seng a a kgakala fela, ba tseye insurances tse di ba kgonisang gore fa ba le kwa, fa bothata bo ka nna, e le jwa botsogo kgotsa e le dikgang tsa go tlhokafala, a kgone gore a 2 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022MINISTER’S QUESTION TIME busiwe.
Kwa mafatsheng a sele, embassies tsa rona di rotloetsa Batswana ba ba koo gore, bagaetsho dirang gore le nne le le malalaalaotswe, go tle go kgonege gore fa le le kwano re bo re ipaakantse.

Ke nngwe ya ditsela tse re di dirang gore re thuse bagarona.

Jaaka ke supile gore, go thusa ka masheleng ga se se re se dirang.

Re thusa ka dipaakanyo Goromente to Goromente.


Embassy ya rona kwa mafatsheng e buisana le Goromente oo gore fa go tlhokegang teng, gore re thuse bagarona ka gore ba a bo ba le in a foreign land, re ba thuse.

So far, re setse re kgonne go thusa, ga gona gope fa re paletsweng ke go thusa.

Ee, ke tshwanetse ke tlhomamise gore mo lebakeng la madi ga re kgone, ga re na budget e e kgonang go dira jalo.
Mme go a tle go direge mo seemong sa fa gongwe e le bana ba dikole, bao bone they are catered for ba ba a bong ba le under the sponsorship ya ga Goromente.

Mo sponsorships tsa bone, kgang ya mofuta oo e a bo e tsentswe mo teng.

Ke sone se ke neng ke re ke fete ka sone, ke tlaa utlwa gore mokaulengwe one a reng.
Mokaulengwe o ne a botsa gore, a ga re ise re bone nako e gorogile ya gore gongwe re bo re ka dira policy ya mofuta o, e re le mororo re sena a document e re ka reng the Foreign Policy ya Botswana ke e, e gone jaaka re bua jaana we are busy drafting the Foreign Policy ya Botswana.

Ka fa tlase ga yone, kana go tlaabo go na le dintlha tse dingwe that deal with issues of those of our people in the diaspora, tse di amang batho ba ba kwa ntle gore how do we deal with them.
Go tlaabo go na le chapters tse di amang matshwenyego a a farologanyeng.

Se re se dirang mo gompienong ke gore re ntse re bereka ka practice, e le practice e jaaka ke bua, thulaganyo ya rona e ntse e thusa bagarona kwa ntle ga bothata bope.

Ga re itse fa re kileng ra palelwa teng re le Foreign Affairs.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR KEORAPETSE: Ke a go utlwa Tona.


Ke botse gore mo bathong ba le lesome ba o neng o ba bua, ke ba le kae ba Goromente a neng a duelela ditshenyegelo tsa go tlisa mebele ya bone mo lefatsheng la Botswana?

Fa o lebeletse gongwe in the past 10, five years, palo ya Batswana ba ba tlhokafalang kwa mafatsheng a sele, o kare go ka lopa Goromente bokae on average mo ngwageng to repatriate the remains?
Ke botsisiwa potso e ke gore, gongwe Palamente in its wisdom e ka bona gore gongwe e kope Goromente to meet these costs, re lebeletse mabaka a ke setseng ke a buile a gore tota go turu.

O fitlhela batho ba le mo mathateng a leso, jaanong ba etsaetsega ka ntata ya madi a mantsi a. O ne o re le rotloetsa Batswana gore ba tseye insurances.

A one mofuta o, ga se mofuta o Goromente gongwe o ka o tsayang e le boikarabelo jwa gagwe jwa insurance?
Jaaka le re le a ba rotloetsa, ke Batswana ba le kae ba ba itseng?

A mme thuto e a goroga, because tota insurance is one cheaper way ya go reba seemo se ka fa se ntseng ka teng.

A Goromente ga a lemoge gore gongwe a tseye boikarabelo jo, gore kwa re nang le missions teng go nne le insurances tsa mofuta o?

Le gore kana go na le remittances tse di tlang mo Botswana di tswa kwa mafatsheng a sele.
A e insurance e e ka se ke e duelwe through those remittances, because those remittances kana tota batho ba ba dirang gore di bo di leng teng, ke bone ba ba berekang kwa mafatsheng a sele.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR MORWAENG: Ke go leboge gape Mr Speaker.

Ke bo ke leboge mokaulengwe wa me Motlotlegi Keorapetse.
Ke dumalane le ene fa a bua ka education ke re, ee, ke boammaaruri rra, ke se re se dirang re le Foreign Affairs gore botlhe ba ba yang kwa ntle, e bile le rona re le Palamente fano fa, ke nngwe ya dilo tse re tshwanetseng gore as leaders, we need to be educating them.

Ba ba ikgolaganyang le rona, re dira jalo sir.

Ba ba tsenang kwa mafatsheng a sele, selo sa ntlha fa Motswana a tsena kwa ntle, gantsi potso ya ntlha ke gore embassy ya rona e fa kae?
Re rotloetsa batho gore go botlhokwa gore fa o le ka mafatsheng a sele, ikgolaganye fela fa o tsena, le Embassy ya Botswana.

Tota gore ka rona fa re le foo re a bo re itse melao yotlhe ya lefatshe leo, re itse ditsamaiso le dikgwetlho, re kgone gore Motswana wa rona yo o tsenang foo, re mo thuse ka dithulaganyo tse.

Ke ka go tlhomamisetsa gore bontsi sir, ba a tla e bile ditsamaiso tse ba a di bolelelwa.
Jaaka o ne o bua ka insurance sir, boammaaruri ke gore ke nngwe ya dilo tse re di ba bontshang, re di rotloetsa gore ba nne ba le malala-a-laotswe, e se ka ya re bothata bo nna teng, ra tsena mo sepitlaganyaneng.

Kgang e o neng o e bua gore a mme ga se gore Goromente ke ene jaanong a tsene mo teng, ke dumela gore nna le wena Rre Keorapetse, re tshwanetse go rotloetsa kgang e ya gore Goromente mo dilong dingwe a ithole maikarabelo mangwe, a rotloetse the private sector.
Ke tsaya gore ke se nna le wena re dumelang gore Goromente would not be able to do everything for us.

Ke dumela gore ke sengwe sa dilo tse di ka lebelelwang.

As it stands now, tota go rotloediwa batho.

Of course go a tle go thusege ka gore mafatshe a mangwe gore o bone Visa go ya kwa go one, demand gore o bo o na le medical aid 3 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022MINISTER’S QUESTION TIME gore ba go fe Visa.
Medical aid must include this part of insurance ya gore fa o le motswakwa o le kwa lefatsheng la bone o bo o tlhokafalela koo, o bo o ka kgona to be repatriated go tla kwa ga lona.

For now, se re se dirang, ke go rotloetsa batho bagarona mabapi le kgang e ya insurance le medical aid fa ba le kwa ntle.
Actually le mo Botswana fa o emelela o ya to a foreign land, a o ya Aferika Borwa kana mo region ya rona, dikompone tsa rona mo Botswana tsa insurance le tsa medical aid, o a kgona o le Motswana to apply gore ke ya Zimbabwe ke kopa medical aid wa travelling.

Ke gore o e leng gore fa o tsaya mosepele, o a go cover for dikgang tsa mofuta o. Ke dingwe tsa dilo tse re tsweletseng re di rotloetsa.
Ke ka go tlhomamisetsa gape Motlotlegi Rre Keorapetse gore o ka sekaseka mafatshe a mantsi a a nang le itsholelo e e fetang ya rona, bogolo jang a a kwa moseja le a mangwe.

Thulaganyo e ya rona ka fa re e dirang ka teng, re patikwa thata ke letlhoko la masheleng.

O tlhalositse gore go tsaya setopo o se ntsha kwa mafatsheng se le nosi go kgona to cost P200, 000.

Itsholelo ya rona le ka fa re senang masheleng ka teng, o a lemoga gore go ka se kgonege bonolo.
Ke go tlhomamisetse gore mafatshe… MR KEORAPETSE: Fa Mapalamente chance ba botse, o arabile.

O dikologa fela golo go le gongwefela, you are repetitive.

MR MORWAENG: Nnyaa, mma ke arabe.

Rre Keorapetse, mafatshe bontsi jwa one a a kwa ntle ba ba nang le dithata go feta rona, ga ke itse lepe le le dirang thulaganyo e o reng e dirwe kwano.

Ga re itse lepe le le dirang jalo, mme ba na le itsholelo e e botoka go na le ya rona.

Ka rra o rile ke didimale, mma ke didimale.


MR MOTSAMAI: Ke a go leboga Mr Speaker.

Mma ke go dumedise le Mapalamente.

Mr Speaker, ke utlwa Tona Morwaeng a re ga a itse lefatshe lepe le le ka dirang thulaganyo e ya to establish insurances which cover ba ba nang le bothata jwa leso kwa mafatsheng ao.

Rraetsho, a ga o bone go le botlhokwa gore nako e e ntsi re nne re itshimololela dilo?

Go na le gore re bo re nna re re ga re itse lefatshe lepe, ke gone re bo re ka dirang dilo.
A ga se wena wa maloba o bua dikgang tsa melemo gore lefatshe la Botswana le batla go ema ka dinao la lesa go ikaega ka mafatshe a mangwe go reka melemo ya COVID?

Mr Speaker, kgang ya gore Goromente e nne ene a duelang insurances tseo, jaaka o ntse o dikologa rraetsho, ke e re buang ka yone gore e ka tlhofofatsa gore Goromente a se ka a turelwa jaaka o bua gore go a tura, go a reng, go a reng.
A ga o bone e le wena yo o tlaa tsenyang Goromente mo boturung le mo dikgannyeng tse dintsi ka go gana ga gago mo go senang le fa e le pele le morago?

Mr Speaker, a ga o bone gore serepa fa se tsaya lebaka le le leele kwa mafatsheng a sele batsadi ba se emetse, golo mo ngomola pelo, e bile go boa gape go baka dintsho tse dingwe?

Se o se dirang, o dira jaaka gompieno le dira kwa kgaolong ya Xade.

Le beile motho dikgwedi tse pedi in a mortuary go kganela gore a ye go bolokwa kwa ga bone.
A thulaganyo e e gogela koo rraetsho, le gore le setse le simolotse le ka kwano go baya batho lebaka le le kanakana?

Le gana gore ba ye go bolokwa mo mmung fela Mr Speaker.

Tanki.

tsa leboge gape MR MORWAENG: Mma ke go Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo Palamente.

Ke tlhomamisetse Motlotlegi Rre Motsamai gore, rotlhe re dumela gore Batswana ba tshwarwe ka go tshwana.

Ga ke dumele gore mokaulengwe Motsamai a re Batswana ba ba kwa ntle re ba direle insurance mme mo gae, ba itseela insurances tsa go ba boloka.
Batswana mo gae ba itseela medical aid, ba mo societies, Goromente a se mo teng.

Ke ipotsa gore a mokaulengwe Motsamai a re Botswana Government has to introduce insurance ya gore Batswana ba ba kwa ntle, re ba direle thulaganyo ya gore fa ba tlhokafala, e bo e nna mokgweleo wa mmuso.

Fa e le gore o Motswana o tlhokafalela mo gae, wa re a bo a sa bone benefits tseo.

Motswana wa mo gae o na le medical aid e e mo thusang le mo go mo fitlheng le funeral cover e e mo fitlhang.
Ra re, fa o le kwa ntle, dira thulaganyo fela jaaka o le mono.

Se re ka go thusang ka sone fa o le kwa ntle, ke kgang ya logistics ka gore o a bo o le in a foreign land.

Ga se se gone jaana Goromente a leng mo thulaganyong ya sone.

Jaanong ka mogopolo ke oo o dule, ke se se ka sekasekwang.

At the moment, ga re na thulaganyo eo.

Ke tsaya gore e tlaabo e ama dilo tse dintsi sir gore mo gae Batswana ba thusiwa jang.
That is why mo gae ba ba sa kgoneng go ka bolokwa ntateng ya itsholelo e e kwa tlase kana e seyo, ba thusiwa through Ministry of Local Government.

Le bone ba ba kwa ntle jaaka re bua, ba a sekasekwa gore a yo ke yo o ka thusiwang kana jang, go bo go tswa karabo.

At the end of the day, ga go na ope Motswana yo kwa ntleng yo e kileng ya re a tlhokafetse, Puso ya tlholega go dira se se maleba ka fa melawana ya rona e ntseng ka teng.

Seo ga se ise se direge.

Re ya go tswelela re thusa Batswana.


Se ke neng ke se bua Rre Motsamai, ke ne ke sa re ga go na lefatshe lepe le le ka dirang insurance.

Ke ne ke re ga ke itse lefatshe lepe le le nang le thulaganyo ya gore fa motho a tlhokafaletse kwa ntle, e nna mokgweleo wa mmuso.

Gongwe mokaulengwe o ka tswa o itse.

Re ne re re mafatshe a a nang le itsholelo e e ntsi go na le rona, ga ke itse ape, gongwe kamoso ke tlaa le itse lefatshe leo.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

4 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022MINISTER’S QUESTION TIME MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISM THEME: TOURISM DEVELOPMENT AND PROMOTION (i) which tourism events are earmarked for the 2022 Tourism Calendar in Botswana; and (ii) whether there are any plans to develop and promote tourism events throughout the country as a way to improve domestic tourism and livelihoods of Batswana by taking advantage of the diverse cultures of Batswana.
MR BROOKS: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Question 1 Mr Speaker, but Minister o ne a re ga a yo, ba santse ba le mo tirong kwa Kenya.

So, later date sir.

Later Date.

MR KEORAPETSE: Gakere ba ka botsa mo go ele Mr Speaker?

Tsweetswee re a kopa Mbidzi.

SPEAKER SKELEMANI): … MR (Laughter!

)… Honourable Reatile, question relating to Foreign Affairs.

(MR MR REATILE: Yes sir.

Mma ke go leboge Mr Speaker.


Ke tle ke leboge le Honourable Morwaeng le Honourable Keorapetse ka potso e e botlhokwatlhokwa e ba e beileng fa pele ga Ntlo ya gago e. Honourable Morwaeng, ke ntse ke go reditse ka dikarabo tsa gago le ditlhaloso tsa gago e le tse di tlhamaletseng tse di rutang Batswana.
Honourable Morwaeng, o kare you are downplaying kgang e e leng gore nako le nako Puso e e emetse ka dinao ya go tlhokomela batho ba ka gore re ntse re itse gore go na le destitute vote mo Foreign Affairs, e e leng gore nako le nako batho fa ba le kwa ntle, ke yone e dirisiwang mme e se gore ba e neelwa e le ya destitutes.

Ke e e leng gore yo o leng mo gae… ke gakologelwa gore re rutegile ka nako ya boeteledipele jwa ga Rre Merafhe le Motlotlegi Skelemani fa ba le mo Foreign Affairs.
Kana ngwana yo a leng mo gae ke ene a itlamang gore, “ke kopa gore Puso e ntlisetse motsadi wa me yo o kwa Ennyelane kana ngwana,” a bo a saena, Puso e bo e mo pega, yo a bo a tla a duela sekoloto a le mo gae.

Gongwe fa o ne o ka expand gone jalo motlotlegi Batswana ba se ka ba dumela gore gotlhelelele Puso ga e batle go tsena gope, e phutha diatla e latlhelela batho fa ba le kwa ntle.
E tlaabo e kete re leka go senya Puso leina mme e le gore tota it plays a pertinent role mo dikgannyeng tse di ntseng jalo.

Mo go ya insurance motlotlegi, kana gongwe se batlotlegi ba se buang le a dumalana mme ga le utlwane, ke kgang ya gore batho ba ba tsamayang e a bo e le batho ba ba ipegileng.
Jaanong re santse re ka dira molawana mo Ntlong e gore ope yo o tsamayang mo ticket ya gagwe e a tsamayang ka yone go bo go supafala gore fa e le gore o tsamaya nako e e kana a bo a tsere insurance ya gagwe ka gore o e reka gone kwa travel agents, ga o ye kwa insurance epe.

Ba travel agents build in that insurance mo teng.


Fa re ka e dira gore e nne part and parcel of that air ticket e tlaabo e le gore re fokoditse dikutlobotlhoko tse batlotlegi ba setseng ba di etse tlhoko mo dikgaolong tsa bone mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

A ga o bone go ka nna molemo fa go ka nna jalo motlotlegi?

Ke lebogile.

MR MORWAENG: Mma ke go leboge Motlotlegi Rre Reatile.
Ke lebogela kgang e o e buileng sir ya gore kana re le Ntlo e e fano, re le Palamente, ke rona Rre Reatile ba re ka gakololanang ra thusanya ra bo ra buisanya le ba Foreign Affairs jaaka re ntse re buisanya jaana, ra buisanya le makalana a a maleba gore mme ntateng ya kgang ya gore re lemoga gore batho ba garona when travelling go na le dikgwetlho tsa mofuta o, re patike ka molao gore fa o reka ticket to go out e bo e le gore you are covered.

Ke dilo tse di ka kgonegang.


E bile ke re ba ba itseng ditsamaiso tsa teng ba ka rotloediwa gore go dirwe jalo jaaka o bua go bo go pasiwa go dirwa ditsamaiso tse di maleba go thusa batho ba garona.

Ke raya gore foo sir ke se se ka diragalang e bile re le Foreign Affairs we can liaise with the relevant authorities go bona gore go a direga go fema seemo sone se.
Jaanong mabapi le Goromente re le kwa ntle re bo re ka ntsha madi re re e tlaa re motho a tsena ka kwano go bo go duelwa, Rre Reatile, boammaaruri jaaka ke bua ke supa gore Lekalana la Foreign Affairs jaaka rotlhe re itse, le gompieno fela fa o ka bona mo vote, o tlaa utlwa fa re bega pego ya rona gore mašheleng a Puso, ditshenyegelo tsa to maintain foreign services ya rona di kwa godimo ka gore bontsi jwa mafatshe ale ba dirisa madi a makima go nale a rona.

Go bo go raya gore go a re imela re le Mmuso.


Jaanong fa re itsenya mo thulaganyong e re ka se keng re e kgone, ga re a tshwanela go fa batho tsholofelo e e seyong.

Ke re gone jaana boammaaruri ke gore re thusa ka the logistics mme fa e le serepa sa motho yo o sa kgoneng go ka itlisa, re bua le ba Local Government ka kwano ba bo ba ka assess, ba bo ba ka thusa fa go pala.
Ke na le tshepo Rre Reatile ya gore mogopolo o o nang le one o ke ka o tlhomamisa gone jaana gore ke mogopolo o re tlaa o 5 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022MINISTER’S QUESTION TIME fetisetsang mo go ba ba maleba gore o sekasekwe.

Ba a itse ba ba itseng gore go ka dirwa eng gore kgang e e felele ruri ka to accommodate mo ticket gore e nne a must.

Ke gore o se ka wa tsena mo sefofaneng o ya kwa ntle go sena proof ya gore o na le thulaganyo yone eo.

Ke tsaya gore ke dilo tse re ka di dirang Rre Reatile.
Thank you very much sir for intervention eo ya gago.

Kana tota wena o moDomkrag.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!

)… MR MAJAGA: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Good morning to all Members.

Ke go leboge Mr Speaker, Honourable Keorapetse le Tona.

Tona, mathata a a lebega a ne a ntse a le teng e bile le nako ya gompieno a teng mo re bonang Batswana ba bangwe ba kalela ba sena madi koo kwa mafatsheng, ba bangwe le bone ba na le tsa bone.
A ga o bone go le maleba gore ba Lephata le la Foreign Affairs le bone e le lephata ba dire sengwe se se tlaa dirang gore Batswana ba tsiboge ka bonako like thuto?

Le gore go nne le some advertisements tse di ka lekang go ka rotloetsa Batswana go itse gore fa o tswa fela mo lefatsheng la Botswana jaaka Honourable Mephato Reggie Reatile a ne a bua, o tshwanetse gore o bo o ituelela tse di latelang jaaka fela re itse gore go na le visa le bo eng.
Ke buiswa seo ke gore Batswana ba tseela fela gore fa o ile kwa o bo o ya go kalela kana o bo o ya go tlhokafalela foo, ke morwalo wa Puso.

Ba tseela gore Lephata le la Foreign Affairs ke yone tiro ya lone.
Jaanong ke raya gore ga o bone e le yone kgang e kgolo e le tshwanetseng gore lona le le ba Office of the President (OP) le rotloetse thata lephata le ka gore gantsi ka dipaka o fitlhela le didimetse fela a bo go nna le kgang fela e setse e tswa mo dimpampiring fa mongwe a setse a kaletse kana a tlhokafaletse kwa?

Fa gongwe e le motho yo e leng gore ga a na ba gabone ba ba itseng melao ba ba ka thusang thata gore le Puso e tseye dikgato ka bonako.
A bo e le gore fa gongwe serepa se kgona go nna jaaka sa ga Motsamai, motho a le ka kwa e le gore ke mothwana ga a na ba gabone ba ba itseng melao.

Kana go na le batho ba ba tshabang go seka le go sekisa Puso ba re go molato go dira jalo.

Jaanong ke re kgang eo gongwe e ne e ka rarabololwa jalo Tona.

Le lona le ka ba thusa le le Lephata le le tona la Ofisi ya ga Tautona.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: E seng sa me, sa monna wa Central Kalahari Game Reserve (CKGR).
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke ne ke re a o sule jaanong malome.

MR MORWAENG: Jaaka Motlotlegi Rre Majaga a bua, tota re dira kgang ya education.

Puso e a e dira through bone ba garona ba Foreign Affairs le embassies tsa rona.

Se ke dumelang gore gongwe jaanong bakaulengwe ba a se bua e bile re a se dumela ke to intensify the education go bona gore re e isa magoletsa gore tota re dire thulaganyo yone eo.
Ke supe gore jaaka nne Rre Majaga a bua gore kana Batswana fa ba tsamaya kwa ene o dumela gore nnyaa fa a nna le mathata kwa ke mokgweleo wa Mmuso, fa o gakologelwa e rile ke araba ke rile ke nngwe ya dikgwetlho tse re nang le tsone gore fa Motswana a tswa ka kwano, nngwe ya dikgwetlho ke gore fa a tsamaya a ya kwa ntle kakanyo eo e teng jaaka rre a bua gore go a tle go akanyege jalo.

Kante ga go a nna jalo, ga se thulaganyo ya rona gore re bo re tsaya maikarabelo a ditshenyegelo.
Dikakanyo tseo di a tle di nne teng mme jaaka o bua, we will intensify education e e ntseng e le teng.

Jaaka Rre Reatile a ne a buile kgantele mabapi le go bona gore re ka dira melawana ya mefuta mang go patika gore Motswana yo o yang bogolo jang teng kwa mafatsheng koo re netefatse gore dithulaganyo tseo… ba a itse ba semolao le ba trade gore go ka dirwa jang go thusa batho ka tsela e e leng gore motho o tsere maikarabelo.
Mabapi le gore mo nakong e fetileng ke ne ke lebetse go araba ele ya ga Rre Reatile, gore in the past General Merafhe, may his soul rest in peace, ka nako ya a le kwa Foreign Affairs, kgang tse gongwe Batswana ba ne ba etle ba thusiwe ka madi e re go tsenwa mo gae go duelwe, e boammaaruri.

In the past go kile ga ne go direga jalo, fa Motswana a tlhokafaletse kwa ntle go ne go kgonega gore go direge jalo.
Mme rra ke ka go tlhomamisetsa gore Puso e ne ya latlhegelwa ke diketekete le di dikadike tsa masheleng ka thulaganyo eo, ele gore fa Motswana a tlhokafaletse koo ka yone thulaganyo eo, mathata jaanong fa re tsena mo gae, fa re sena go boloka, nnyaa rra ga go duelwe.

Puso e bo e latlhegelwa ke madi.

Ke dumela gore nna le lona ba re leng mo Ntlong e ga re dumele gore madi a Puso a latlhege ka tsela e re ka sekeng re e arabele.
So eo e kile ya lekiwa ya gore re adime batho madi fa a le teng, to repatriate ba ga bone, e ne ya emisiwa ke gore Puso e latlhegetswe ke madi a se kanaka sepe.

Ka tsela eo, ga ke dumele gore ka fa seemo se ntseng ka teng re ka boela magaleng gabedi.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

6 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022MINISTER’S QUESTION TIME MR LUCAS: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.
Ke ne ke re lantlha ke botse Tona gore mo bogompienong Tona a go na le Motswana ope yo o ka tswang a tlhokafetse a le kwa mafatsheng mme a kaletse koo ka mabaka a go tlhoka madi?

E le Potso ya ntlha.


Le gone ke e amanye le e e reng, a mme gone fa Motswana a tlhokafaletse kwa mafatsheng a mangwe, mme e bo e le gore go tsaya lebaka a ise a bone thuso ya go tla mo gae, a gone mo ga go reye gore go okeletsa lelwapa la gagwe mokgweleo wa boturu jwa go tlisa serepa seo ka go raya gore se tlaabo se tshwanetse ke go bewa mo dimmotšhareng gone koo tse di turang.
Sa bobedi ke kgang e ya Local Government e o neng o bua ka yone motho gore can be assessed gore a ke destitute, ke re kana ka fa destitute policy e kwadilweng ka teng mo bogompienong, yone ya 2002, e re kaela gore motlhoki go tewa motho yo e leng gore fa a le nosi fela o amogela madi a a ka fa tlase ga P120 ka kgwedi kana fa a na le lelwapa ke motho yo o amogelang madi a a kanaka P150 ka kgwedi, kana go ka raya motho yo o nang le dikgomo tse di ka fa tlase ga five.
A mme ga o lebile ga o bone gore mme criteria e e dirisiwang go supa gore motlhoki ke motho ofe, e kgapela kwa ntle gotlhelele bontsi jwa batho ba gongwe ba neng ba ka bona thuso ya go ka thusiwa ka go tlisa direpa tsa bone mo gae, ka go raya gore batho ba le bantsi kwa mafatsheng ba tlaa tlhoka madi fela a mantsintsi gore ba kgone go tlisa batho ba bone kwano?
Jaanong fa o re motho wa less than five livestock units kana go raya gore yo o nang le dikgomo di le 20 does not qualify, mme dikgomo tseo le fa o ka di rekisa tsotlhe ga di ka ke tsa kgona go tlisa motho, serepa kana mmele oo mo gae.
Sa bofelo ke re rraetsho, ke ne ke utlwa thulaganyo ya Local Government e le thulaganyo e kareng e telele thata, a ga se gore gongwe ba embassies ba nne le thulaganyo where they will assess batho koo, go lemoga gore letlhoko la bone ke eng, mme ba kgone gore ba thuse ka lemmenyana le ba ka thusang ka lone, ba lebile seemo kwa ba tlaabong ba le teng.

Ke a leboga.

MR MORWAENG: Ee rra, ke a leboga Motlotlegi Rre Lucas.
Kana ka fa re ntseng re bua ka teng we provide consular services to batho ba ga rona ba ba kwa ntle, mme jaaka o itse Motlotlegi Rre Lucas, mongwe le mongwe o filwe serwe sa gagwe, mo Pusong.

Local Government e filwe serwe sa yone, Foreign Affairs serwe sa yone, gore re dire eng, bale ba dire eng.
Dumalana le nna motlotlegi gore mogopolo ole o re neng re e o bua wa insurances, wa gore a ga re tle ka dikakanyo tsa gore go nne le molawana o patikang, gore o se ka wa tswa mo gae, o sena covers tsa mohuta o, ke tsone tse di tlaa femang seemo se.
Ke gore if we take care of thulaganyo tse…but ya gore gongwe jaanong re bo re re re tlaabo re isa batho ba bangwe gape ba Local Government kwa Foreign Affairs go ya go dira mandate wa destitutes kwa ntle, ke na le pelaelo ya gore ditshenyegelo di ka ya kwa mankalengkaleng.
Ke boammaaruri, setopo fa se nna nako e ntsi mo mmotšhareng, le teng mo ga rona mo gae, madi a ya kwa godimo, mme karabo ke jaaka re tlhalositse sir, gore kgang ya go tla dithulaganyo tsa gore mongwe le mongwe yo o kwa mafatsheng ele Motswana, a bo a na le cover e e tlaa mo thusang, gore fa bothata bo nna teng re thusege.
Ka gore re le Goromente ga re senke go fora setšhaba, ga re ka ke ra kgona, ga re na madi a a lekaneng go ka dira jalo, mme poloko ya teng ke tsone bo medical aid, insurances, tse re dumalanang gore batho ba rotloediwe mo go tsone, e bile re senke ditsela tsa go ka patika gore o se ka wa ya kwa ntle o sa nna le yone, go fema matlhotlhapelo a o buang ka one, a re buang ka one.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR LUCAS: A re na le bangwe koo gompieno ba ba kaletseng koo?
MR MORWAENG: Nnyaa rra, ga gona Motswana ope yo e leng gore one; o kile a kalela kwa ntle, e le setopo re saitse.

Ke raya gore gone jaana jaaka o tlhalosa ga gona sepe setopo se re se itseng se se kwa mafatsheng batho ba le mo pitlaganong ya mofuta oo, gone jaana as we speak.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Minister.

You have done justice in question.

Let us move on to Question without Notice.

Honourable Moswaane.
QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE IMPORTATION OF FRUITS AND VEGETABLES MR M. I. MOSWAANE (FRANCISTOWN WEST): asked the Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security if he is aware that: (i) the ban of importation of fruits and vegetables into Botswana, is being used by large chain stores to monopolise and drive the informal sector into poverty and out of business; (ii) some informal traders are unable to source enough potatoes from local farmers as far as Gantsi, Kudumatse and Tuli Block as those farmers are refusing to sell to them; 7 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE (iii) large chain stores enter into contracts with farmers for their produce in advance and hence leave only left overs or nothing at all for Batswana traders and that if this is left unchecked, many Batswana owned businesses will not survive; and (iv) what is the impact of the ban on importation of fruits and vegetables on the informal traders in Botswana.
ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MR MOLEBATSI): Ke a go leboga Mr Speaker, ke a go dumedisa, ke dumedisa bakaulengwe.

Ke dumedisa Motlotlegi Moswaane, ke mo lebogela potso e ntlentle e a e boditseng e. Mr Speaker, mma ke simolole, e re ntswa potso e kwadilwe ka Sekgoa ke tlaa leka go e ranolela kwa Setswaneng.
(i) Mr Speaker, mma ke simolole ka gore gongwe ke tlhalosetse Rre Moswaane gore kganelo ya go tsena ga maungo mo lefatsheng, ga e ame fruits, it is not ban of importation of fruits and vegetables, it is ban of horticulture products.

So jaanong potso ya gagwe e ne e tsenya le maungo mo teng.

Nnyaa maungo ga a kganelwe rra, maungo a a tsena, dinamune, mangoes, fela ka go latelana ga tsone a a tsena.
Mr Speaker, sa ntlha mma ke go reye ke re, ga gona bosupi bope jo bo supang gore ba mabenkele a matonatona a ke tlaareng o ntetlelele gore ke dirise lefoko le ke re megobagoba ya mabenkele, e gatelela ba informal sector kana bagwebi ba ba botlana kana it monopolises trade ya horticulture products, mme go ya ka a bua go bakiwa ke molao o re sa tswang go o fetisa.

Re le lephata ga re na bosupi joo, ga re ise re bone sepe sa go nna jalo.

Re ka leboga thata fa re ka supegediwa bosupi joo.


Mma ke re gape ke gatelele gore, kana Mr Speaker, go tlisa molao o, e ne e le maikaelelo kana maiteko a Puso a gore re godise Batswana, re thuse Batswana, re tseye Batswana re ba tontobise re ba beye golo gongwe, ka re lemoga gore Batswana ba santse ba saletse kwa morago.

Sengwe se se dirang gore Batswana ba salele kwa morago, Batswana ba hupediwa ke ditiro le dithoto tse di tsenang di tswa kwa mafatsheng a mangwe.
Mme e le dithoto tse dingwe tse re neng re ka di itirela gone mo lefatsheng la rona.

Nngwe ya tsone dithoto tse ke buang ka tsone rra ke tse re ka di lemang e le merogo ka gore kwa mafelong a mangwe go supa gore re na le metsi, lefatshe e bile gompieno re na le mananeo a a farologaneng go ka thusa Motswana gore a itemele.
Fela jalo rra, re ne re dira ka mowa o montlentle wa gore re tseye Motswana re mo ntshe mo lehumeng, a kgone gore a leme morogo, mme le rona re le Puso re provide market ka go emisa gore di se ka tsa tla tsa hupetswa ke tse di tswang kwa ntle.

Mr Speaker, balemi ba rekisetsa bareki ka tumalano ya bone koo.

Re le Goromente ga re nke re tsena mo go reng yo o reka jang; we do not regulate gore yo o rekisetsa mang ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Re araba potso e Motlotlegi Rre Moswaane o buang gore kana bone ba ba lemang ba rekisetsa ba dishopo fela, ba gana go rekisetsa bagwebi ba babotlana.

Ba dira ditumalano tsa bone koo mme fela fa go na le kgwebo e e leng gore ga e ka fa molaong, re na le makalana kwa Lephateng la Peeletso, Papadi le Madirelo gore jaanong ba ka tla ba kgalema se e leng gore ga se dirwe sentle.
Jalo ga re na bosupi bope jo bo re kaelang gore go na le unfair trading, kgwebo e e seng ka fa molaong kana e sa lolama sentle mo thekisong ya merogo ka nako e jaaka go tswaletswe tse di tswang kwa ntle.

Fela se ke ka se papamatsang ke gore fa re ne re kopane, tota e bile e ne e le nna ka sebelebele ke kopane le informal traders, retailers bone ba dishopo tse ditona tse di rekisang le balemi.
Ke kile ka ba tlisa ka di three tsa ga February, ra kopana le bone re ntse golo go le gongwefela, le informal traders ba le mo teng.

Ra bua gore mme re ka tswelela jang go ya kwa pele, re bona ka lenaneo le la gore re emisitse merogo gore e tswe kwa lefatsheng le lengwe.

Se se neng sa gatelelwa ke bone ba ba lemang merogo ka gore ga ba bantsi, ba ditapole ba ne ba bua gore ba tlhoka informal traders thatathata ka gore ba reka mo go bone mme ba reka ka cash.
Go raya gore go dira gore businesses tsa bone, balemi ba ba tshwanang le ba ba kwa Ghanzi le kwa Tuli Block, ba batona bone bao, gore ba botlhokwa mo go bone.

Jaanong jaaka Rre Moswaane a bua, ga gona gore ba ka gana go ba rekisetsa ka tsela epe ka gore ba ne ba bua re le mo meeting, informal traders ba le teng.

Jaanong fa motlotlegi a bua gore balemi bao ba gana go rekisetsa informal small traders, ga ke dumele gore go boammaaruri e bile go fetogile eng.
E nngwe potso e ne e re large chain stores enter into contracts with farmers for their produce in advance, ba bo ba tlogela leftovers or nothing at all for Batswana traders.

Ke sone se ke neng ke se bua Rre Moswaane gore tota batho ba gweba jang, gantsi re go tlogela kwa go baji-bareki, bo borakgwebo le ba ba ba rekisetsang.
8 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE Ke gatelele gore fa go na le fa e leng gore ga go dirwe sentle, re ka bua le bagarona ba trade gore le bone ba ikatumetse.

Ba agribusiness kwa go rona re kopane le ba trade gore go na le sengwe se se sa diragaleng sentle.

Gape ke batla gore yone e o e buang e e lemao le ntlha pedi ka gore le rona re le ba agriculture re rotloetsa gore balemi ba dire dikonteraka gore e re fa a lema fela, a bo a itse gore dilo tsa gagwe di ya kwa kae.
It has its own advantages gore le bone fa ba dira le bo Botswana Agricultural Marketing Board (BAMB) jaaka ba Pandamatenga ba dira le BAMB, le bone the small farmers ba re ba buang bao ba ba lemang, re tshwanetse go ba rotloetsa gore ba dire dikonteraka le informal traders gore jaaka re itse gore ditapole di a tswa ka April jaana, fa di tswa di ya kwa informal trader yo o kwa Mahalapye le yo o kwa kae fela jalojalo.

Golo mo re a go rotloetsa.


Ke itse gore gompieno o ka tswa o bona go sa nna sentle mme re a go rotloetsa, go dira a certainty of business.

Le tsone dibanka di ka go fa madi fa di itse fela gore o emetse ditapole tse di mo produce e e tswang kwa Tuli Block, JP Ross; o emetse so many tonnes e bile go mo konterakeng, o tlaa mo tsaya.

Ba ka go adima le madi gore o kgone go ya go reka ka gore o sure ka selo sa teng e bile o a go rekisa kwa kae.
E nngwe ya bofelo ke e e reng what is the impact of the ban on importation of fruits and vegetables on the informal traders in Botswana?

Jaaka ke buile, ga gona ban ya importation ya fruits, ke vegetables fela; fruits tsone di a tsena.

Sa ntlha ke amogele gore boammaaruri go na le impact.

Nngwe ya ditlamorago tse re di boneng re le lephata ke gore go na le tlhaelo ya ditapole mme go ka diga dikgwebo dingwe tsa Batswana… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le butternut ga eyo rraetsho.
MR MOLEBATSI: Ee rra, re itse ka ditapole fela thata ka kwano.

Go na le impact mme kana re e solofetse.

Gongwe le gongwe kwa re tsenyang molao wa go nna jaana, le maloba fa ke le kwa trade re tsenya molao wa go emisa metsi go tswa kwa ntle, go emisa uniforms, go emisa marotho go tswa koo, re itse gore go tlaa nna le nakonyana e go tlaa tshikhinyang seemo sa kgwebo, segolobogolo bone ba ba amegang mo lefatsheng.

Rra, se re se dirang ke gore re leba gore golo mo go se ka ga nna lebaka le leleele.
Go ntse jalo Rre Moswaane ke dumalana le wena, ditapole di ne di seo mme se re se beile leitlho.

Se ke ka se go bolelelang gompieno ke gore ka maranyane a rona a Agrima a re a dirisang, ka go buisana le bone ba ba lemang ditapole ke gore di tlaabo di le teng tse di lekaneng lefatshe lotlhe ka kgwedi ya April fa e simolola.
Go bula re ise re itse gore re tlaabo re na le ditapole tse di lekaneng gompieno, go ka nna ga re direla mathata a gore gongwe re bo re felela jaanong re nna le ditapole tse dintsi tse di ka dirang gore tse re di solofetseng, e bo jaanong re boela kwa morago kwa re neng re tshaba teng gore re thuse Batswana.

Gape ke go rurifaletse rra gore ditlamorago tse di siameng thata ka go dira jalo ke gore ba ba neng ba ntse ba lema ditapole ba okeditse production ya bone thata.
Fa ba oketsa production go raya gore ba oketsa babereki, ke go tlhama ditiro tsa batho bao.

Se sengwe se re se itemogelang rraetsho ke gore go na le balemi ba ditapole ka gore we have created market one o, ba ba runyang ba basha ba re ba thusang re le lephata kwano, ba ntseng ba tla kwa go rona gore nna ke na le tshimo ke e, tlang le lebe mmu o o mo masimong a me le metsi a ke nang le one gore a re ka se ke re leme ditapole.
Se re se itemogetseng rra monate wa sone ke gore re fitlhelela se re se batlang re le lephata sa gore re oketse production ya horticulture produce ya Batswana.

Gompieno go a re berekela, go a bereka, ba a runya mme re tla mo seemong se re tlaabong re kgona gore re jese Batswana, re bo re rekise kwa ntle.

Fa ke wetsa ke re se rra re se bona kwa mafatsheng a mangwe, a tsweletse.
Gompieno re na le baeng ba ba tswang Rwanda mme re buisana ka dikgang tse gore le dirile jang go kgona go thusa batho ba lona gore ba kgone go lema kofi, ba bo ba e rekise mo Rwanda, e bo e rekwa le kwa Star Bucks kwa America; go nowa kofi ya Rwanda.

Ke gone kwa re batlang go ya teng, re batla gore ditapole tsa rona di bo di kgona gore di jewe mo Botswana, di nne dintsi, di bo di rekisiwe le kwa bo Ukraine le kwa mafatsheng a mangwe.
Ba Rwanda re na le bone gompieno, ba tlile go re ruta gore re tswelele jang go kgona gore dilo tsa rona re di ise kwa, batho ba rona ba kgone go ipelega.

Re thusa Batswana le ka applications, we launch online applications go ba thusa.

Go na le Agrima e re e dirisang gompieno.

Ke ntse ke go bolelela gore re solofetse ditapole di le kae kwa kae, ga ke tlhoke gore ke ye kwa masimong one ao.

Ke bona fela mo maranyaneng ke le mo ofising ya me gompieno.
Golo mo go re thusa gore re tseye sector ya horticulture, re e beye golo gongwe, re batla go tshwana le mafatshe a mangwe.

Kwa South Africa, go na le… le…(Inaudible)…Turn-up, rona (Inaudible)…go na 9 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE kwano re na le Agrima mo Botswana.

Ke sone se re batlang gore re ye teng gore molemi le moreki le wa fertilisers, ba kgone gore ba bone, a lebe mo phone ya gagwe fa a leng teng, gore go na le eng kae, go bo go ya kae.
Re gatela pele, re ya gone koo.

Ke one maitlamo a rona rra, a re kileng ra re we will support small producers to go after niche markets through the use of innovation, ke sone se re se dirang.

Ke a leboga, ke eme gone foo gore ke arabe dipotso tsa ga Rre Motsamai.

MR MOSWAANE: Supplementary Mr Speaker.

Thank you.

O tlhalositse Tona, ga ke kgatlhanong le go rotloetsa horticultural business mo Botswana.
Fa ke lebelela kgang ya potato, re tsamaela kgwedi ya boraro e seyo, mo re neng re solofela gore mo nakong e e leng gore fa potata e santse e seyo mo Botswana for three months or two months, Batswana ba tshwanetse go letlelelwa to run dikgwebo tsa bone, ba import potato fa e santse e seyo.
Gone foo Tona, le betwa pelo ke eng gore jaanong le tshabe go bulela for two months ka gore batho ba bangwe ba hirisitse warehouses, ba tsere loans kwa Citizen Entrepreneurial Development Agency (CEDA), ba hirile batho, mme for two months fa e le gore le ba tswetse, dikgwebo tsa bone, ba ya to survive jang?
E nngwe e ke neng ke re o e lebelele ke ya gore mo tsamaisong ya lefatshe la Botswana, ga go na ope yo o kganelwang go dira business, mme ke bona Office of the President (OP) go utlwala fa Tautona o itse gore le ene ke molemi yo motona wa dipotata le ditamati, go utlwala fa Matona mangwe a ka tshwara four, le bone e le balemi ba ba tona ba dipotata.
A ga se gore jaanong Matona ka gore ba mo teng, ba tsaya tshwetso ya go gamola Batswana, ba dirisa mo gotweng ke unfair business practice against batho ba ba senang go itwela kgatlhanong le ditshwetso tsa bone?
O e bona e ntse jang Tona kgang ya gore e bo e le gore kwa OP, ba le babedi, Tautona le Assistant Minister ba involved mo thekong e, bo Minister ba le bararo le bone ba le involved mo go yone, ba bo ba tsaya tshwetso ya go gamola Batswana jaanong ga go na yo o tlaa rekang (order) go fitlhelela tsa rona di butswa.

A o bona selo se se siame?

O buile gape ka ya gore mongwe le mongwe o a iphandlela mo business, ga go na gope fa le tsenang teng.
A ga go na fa le tsenang teng fa go nna le tsamaiso ya unfair business practice fa e leng gore chain stores di a itemela ka botsone, e bile di reka farms tsone tseo gore jaanong le se ka la rekisetsa ope, Batswana ba sekei ba bo ba tswa mo kgwebong, ba nna ba lalela jaaka ntša e lebeletse mong wa yone a a ja.

A wa re selo se le se bona se siame fela go ya ka manifesto wa Botswana Democratic Party (BDP)?
Ke raya gore Tona a ko o ntlhalosetse sentle gore kgang e o e bona e ntse jang, re lebile kgang ya gore when you ban, mme e le gore product ga e yo mo Botswana, what are the reasons tsa to ban product e seyo mo Botswana for three months?

A ga o bone gore le bolaya dikgwebo tsa Batswana le lebeletse gore jaanong le ya go humisa tsa lona kwa le rekileng shares kwa chain stores?

Thank you.

MR MOLEBATSI: Ga ke itse gore ke simolole ka efe.


Ke a go utlwa Rre Moswaane ya ntlha ya gore fa go tsaya lebaka, jaaka o re go tsere two or three months go sena ditapole go ka dira gore go tswalwe dikgwebo dingwe, ke dumalana le wena.

Ke sone se ke neng ke se bua ke re kana jaaka ke ne ke e fa sekai, fa o tsaya tshwetso, o simolola programme e, go nna le mo ka Sekgoa gotweng teething problems jaaka ke ne ke bua le ka marotho.
Go kile ga nna le nako e ba ba neng ba rata go ja borotho jo bo kwa Woolworths, ba sena najo ka gore Woolworths, re ne sa tlhole re e letlelela go ntsha kwa South Africa.

Moo ke dumalana le gone, mme se ke ka se buang ke gore re le Puso fa go nna jaana, re nna re dira mo gotweng regulatory impact assessment, it is an ongoing thing gore re bone manokonoko a any regulation kana molao o re o dirang.

For this one jaaka ke bua re re re bone manokonoko a teng, re a a itse.
Se ke ka se go bolelelang ke gore ditapole di etla ka April fa a simolola fela jaana.

MR MOSWAANE: Ditapole di etla mme gompieno di tsewa kae, le tsaya kae thata ya go di emisa ka gore ga di yo mo lefatsheng?

MR MOLEBATSI: Di etla.

MR MOSWAANE: A re bue ka nako ya gompieno jaaka di seyo.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Moswaane o buelela bomang?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O buelela bahumanegi.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, ema pele Lelatisitswe.


MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, the Minister has been asked questions and there is a time to be heard when he replies.
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… 10 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE MR MOLEBATSI: Rraetsho, se ke se buang ke gore kana gone fa re dira golo mole, ke ne ke bua gore re ne re dirile therisano, re tlile rotlhe; informal traders, balemi ba ditapole, chain stores, Ministry wa Agriculture, ra nna fa fatshe ka di 3 February, ra buisana gore mme gone impact ya selo se e ka nna kae, mme re ka dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang... MR MOSWAANE: Nnyaa, informal sectors le a ba akela tota, they have never agreed with that.
MR SPEAKER: Ee, I can see you Honourable Members.

MR MAJAGA: Ke a go leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke a go leboga Tona le Motlotlegi Mopalamente.

Tona, kgang e ga se e e ka re lwantshang, gongwe o kare re a lwa.

Rotlhe fa re emetse Batswana, re lwela ditshwanelo tsa Batswana, le rona re le Batswana.

Ka le fa re le baemedi ba batho, re Batswana, kamoso after five years, re tlaabo re kopane le bone kwa re rekisa potatoes jaaka nna jaana.

MR MOLEBATSI: Nnyaa, mme ba ne ba le teng.


MR MOSWAANE: No, le ne le ba gateletse, you were informing them.

MR SPEAKER: I think Honourable Minister let us leave this question.

Honourable Moswaane is satisfied, you cannot ...(Inaudible)…this way.

MR MOSWAANE: No, ga se ya me, ke ya Batswana, you can take whatever action you take but this is cruel to Batswana.
MR SPEAKER: You are going to...(Interruptions)... You are not going to be answered, if you do not want... (Interruptions)... MR MOSWAANE: Corrupt Government led by a Parliament which is also corrupt!

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)...

MR MOSWAANE: You cannot be corrupt Mr Speaker, allow this Minister to answer this question, Batswana are suffering at this moment.

Corruption ya Matona ke yone e tswetseng ditapole.

You can park me but you will not win in these elections because you are corrupt.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Matsheka o sale a re Lobatse, Sbrana e baakanye... MR MOSWAANE: Hei, wena wa motokwane shut up!

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)...

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O a tsenwa monna.

Monna yo o aparang size 4.

MR MOSWAANE: Ga ke tsenwe, ke emetse Batswana, we are... MR SPEAKER: We may proceed.

Honourable Members, who wants to ask questions?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Re Speaker.

tsholeditse Mr Tona, ke bona re dirile a good move ya go tswala.
Kana fa re utlwa bothatanyana jo bo nnyennyane, re tlaabo re re re a bulelela, mme ke rona gape re lwang gore shops tse di tona, di tsaya market otlhe.

Ke ne ke re Tona ga se nako ya gore gongwe le le Lephata la Agriculture, le bagwebi ba ba botlana, ba informal sector, ba ba rekisang fa pele ga shops gore le bone le ba group ka clusters.

Ba ba kgonang go lema, lefatshe la Botswana le lentsi, ba ye go lema tsone ditapole tse ba se ka ba nna ba di reka fela.
Gongwe le ba kopanye le big farmers jaaka ba Pandamatenga le kwa Gantsi, bone ba tsaya hectares tse di rileng gore even in the future, re se ka ra nna re ntse ka population ya rona, re bo re nna e le gore jaanong re lelela fela gore re ka import ditapole ka gore di chips-nyana ga di yo mo bagwebing ba rona.

Ke raya gore our population and batho ba rona, ke ne ke tseela gore re tlhola re lela ka South Africa gore e re tseela ditiro, batho ba rona dipolase tsele di a lema.
Jaanong ke ne ke bona gore a ga se nako ya gore this thing has opened a window gore in these three months, e bile kana go tlaabo go siame, re bo re ithutile sengwe.

Yone eo Tona ke ne ke re ke e botse jalo gore ga o bone go tshwanetse gore go nne jaana, rather than gore fela fa re utlwa go nna le mathatanyana, re bo re taboga gape re re re a bula ka re ne re tswetse.

Ke tseela gore Batswana ba ka thusiwa fela ke ba Ministry of Trade le wa Agriculture.
Go sa nniwe, go sa buiwe fela, go sa lebelelwe corruptions tsone tse di diileng Batswana.

Fa e le kwa shops tsa foreigners ga go na corruption, fa e le mo Batswaneng ke corruption, ke sone selo se se re diang se.

Fa Honourable Molebatsi kana Honourable Kablay ba lema, gatwe ke corruption ka gore ke Mopalamente.

Nnyaa Tona, nna ka re, engage le ba Ministry of Investment, Trade and Industry, re abile madi.

Ke bona go ka se ke go nne dingalo go dira jalo Tona, go baakanya seemo seo.
Ga se kgang epe e e ka ntshang nko lemina, ka gore e nnyennyane looking at our population.

11 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a go leboga Honourable Majaga.

Se ke lekang gore ke se tlhalose ke se gatelele ke gore, re le Puso ga re ye go oshaosha kana ra tlhabiwa ke ditlhong, re tlhamaletse gore re ya go thusa Batswana.

Fa gona le se re ka se dirisang e le molao, go thusa Batswana gore re tsose dikgwebo tsa bone, to create market for them, re ya go dira jalo.
Ga re na go tshaba gore go tla twe re magodu kante re eng.

Se se tona ke gore, re bone Batswana ba rona ba kgona gore e nne batsayakarolo mo meamusong ya lefatshe la bone.

Se o neng o se bua ke gore ke eng gongwe le rona re sa ba rute bone ba ba rekisang, re sa ba rotloetse gore ba ye go lema.
Nnyaa, gongwe re ka farologana fa gore, kana mo valuation development, ga re ka ke rotlhe ra ya go kgobokana golo go le gongwefela, a go nne le ba ba lemang, those packaging, those transporting, go bo go nna le ba ba ka kgonang gore ba di segelele, ba add value jaaka National AGRO Processing (NAPRO), le bone ba nne teng.

Go bo go nna le ba ba kgonang go di rekisa mo mekgwatheng jaaka ba informal traders.
Ke yone value chain development e, mongwe le mongwe a...(Inaudible)… Se jaanong re ka se dirang re le Puso ke se o se buang, ke kgakololo ya gore re dira jang jaaka fa gongwe re bona re kgoreleditse kgwebo ya rona...(Inaudible)… re le Puso re dira jang gore re ba thuse?

Go na le se re ka se dirang, re ka kopana le ba Trade, re kile ra se dira before anyway.
Re kopane le ba Local Enterprise Authority (LEA) re ba supegetse gore produce ke e e etla e, batho ba ntse ba sena letseno, a go na le sengwe se gongwe re ka thusang informal sector, re le LEA le Citizen Entrepreneurial Development Agency (CEDA).

Ke sone se re ka se dirang, it is possible re bereka fela jalo re le Goromente.

Ga go reye gore jaanong re ba latlheletse, ba sweletse jaaka ba ntse fela jaana.

Re ka kopana fela jaaka o ne o bua rra.

Ke a go leboga.

MR MOTSAMAI: Supplementary.


Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Re a go utlwa Minister, o bua o na le maikaelelo a o a re bayang pele.

Ke batla go go botsa potso, a ke lona ba Puso e e neng e ile kwa Karakubis, e ya go bolelela batho gore mebu ya teng e nonne ba ka lema, e bile mo bogautshwaneng le etla le tsile go ba rotloetsa?

E setse e le nine months batho ba Karakubis ba le emetse.
Go supa gore le tlhwaafetse ka go ntsha dijo le gore Batswana ba tswe kwa morago, ke eng le tsaya nine months without attending batho ba Karakubis?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba tloga ba re ke Puso ya ga Khama.

MR MOTSAMAI: Rraetsho, ke batla go go botsa potso, a ke lona ba Puso ya maloba ka COVID-19, le raya Batswana le re le ya go ba thusa mabapi le dituelo tsa metsi, bogolo jang batho ba ba neng ba neetswe package ya nyeletso lehuma?
Gompieno ke bua jaana lefatshe lotlhe, batho ba ba neng ba itshetsa ka merogo, ka eng, ka eng e le ba nyeletso lehuma, ba kgaoletswe metsi mo malwapeng, ba tlhapa jaaka bo katse, ba iketsha melaka ka letsogo fela go sena metsi mo lwapeng.

A ke lona ba Puso ya teng?

A wa re se o se buang, re solofele gore o tlaa ema Batswana nokeng?

Gompieno re setse re tsamaela dingwaga tse pedi re tswa mo COVID-19, kana re santse re le mo COVID-19, batho ba kgaoletswe metsi.

Ke batla go itse gore a ke lona?


Mr Speaker, ke batla go itse gore a Rre Molebatsi jaaka o bua ka kgang ya gore le ne la emisa le lebile gore le tlaa rotloetsa gore batho ba wele mo go lemeng ka bonako, a ke lona gape ba Puso ya maloba e raya batho e re ba leme mmidi kana eng, ba rekise kwa dikoleng?

Maabane jaana, le setse le emisitse dilo tse tsotlhe tsa dikole, bana ga ba je legwetla, bana ga ba je dijo tsa tshimo kwa dikoleng.
Le bua ka Batswana bafe fa le re le a ba rotloetsa, a ke lona ba Puso ya metlhale e ke tlang ke e bua e?

A mme re le dumele fa e le gore le gompieno jaana kwa Local Government, batho ba ne ba senyegelwa ke mmidi, dinawa, ntšhe le tse dingwe tse ba neng ba di lemile.

A le solofetsa gore le tlaa thusa Batswana?

Ya bofelo, a ke lona ba Puso ya CEDA e e thatathata, ya go ntsha Motswana yo o lenao lesetlha kwa morago, go mo thusa, go mo tataisa, go bona gore a kgone go tswa kwa morago?
A wa re Batswana ba tlaa kgona fa le siana le batho ba ba itsholetseng, le tlogetse bontsintsi jwa batlhophi kwa morago, a Batswana ba tlaa kgona rraetsho?

Se se le rotloetsang gore le tswale le ise le ntshe Batswana kwa morago, le bo le bone gore ba a itsetlela mo go se ba itshetsang ka sone, ke eng rraetsho?

Nkaraba.

MR MOLEBATSI: Mma ke simolole ka ya bofelo rraetsho.

Go tswala mo ke nngwe ya ditsela tsa gore re ntshe Batswana kwa morago, re ba tataise.
It is a process, re tlaa nna re e baakanya re ntse re ya koo, fela jaaka re buile fa re ne re tswala, re rile re a tswala for two years.

Mme mo two years yo, re tlaabo re nna re sekaseka gore a golo mo go bereka sentle.

Ditshekatsheko di tsweletse gompieno, ga re kgakala re le lephata, re tlaabo re boa gape re kopana le ba ke neng ke bua ka bone gore re ne re kopane maloba under one roof.

Ke process e e ntseng jalo.


12 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE Ya go ya kwa Karakubis, gore re na le nine months re sa ye Karakubis, ke go netefaletse rra gore re le lephata go boammaaruri re rotloetsa batho gore ba dirise mebu ya bone e e nonneng le metsi a bone.

Kwa Karakubis jaaka o re bagarona ba kile ba ya kwa teng, ke tlaa netefatsa gore re boela kwa Karakubis, re ya go ba rotloetsa.
Ke tiro ya rona, ke se re se ratang thata gore fa batho ba lema go na le lefatshe le metsi, re ba rotloetse gore ba dire, fela jaaka re dira kwa Lentsweletau, Mmadinare le Shakawe.

Ke ntse ke ile mafelo ao, ke ile go rotloetsa gore batho ba leme, e bile ke ba tsamaetse le ka mmaraka.

Ke go solofetsa gore ke tlaa ya kwa Karakubis nna ka sebele, re ya go bona mebu eo, re bo re ba rotloetsa.

Ya nyeletso lehuma gore batho ba kgaoletswe metsi.


Go kgaolwa ga metsi, re tlaa itshwaraganya le beng ba metsi, ba Water Utilities Corporation (WUC).

Gore matsapa di a tsere kae gore balemi ba ba bo ba sa ka ke ba tlhola ba lema, ka gore ga ba na metsi ba a kgaoletswe.

Gongwe re bone ditsela tsa go ka buisanwa, gore ba kgone gore metsi a boe ba leme, ba kgone go duela dituelo tseo.

Ke e re ka e tsayang eo.

Puso ya maloba e ne e re batho ba leme mmidi, o tlaa jewa mo dikoleng.
Ke go tlhomamisetsa le gompieno le fa e le lephata le lengwe, e bile ke bua ke ntshitse sehuba gore ba ministry wa ga Rre Autlwetse, ba rotloetsa gore dikole di je tse di lengwang ke Batswana.

Ke dumela gore le mo school feeding programme ya bone gompieno go ya kwa pele, di tsentswe.

Le mo mading a a tlaa tlang a a kopa kwa Palamenteng, he has catered for that.
Eo ke e bua ke kanotse sehuba, ga gona gore re ka tlhoka gore kwa dikoleng go jewe dipe tse di tswang mo lefatsheng la rona, go latelwa dilo kwa ntle.

Ya CEDA le yone, kana ya CEDA ke lephata le lengwe.

Gore CEDA e sokodisa batho e lebile golo gongwe.

CEDA e ntsha madi ka go leba boleng jwa se o tlileng go se kopela madi ao.

Ga re batle gore re tsenye Batswana mo mathateng, re ba neele madi ka a proposal e kamoso e ka se keng e bereke.
Ke ka araba fela go le kalo ka CEDA, ka gore tota ke lephata le lengwe.

Ke dumela gore CEDA e a thusa, e tshwanetse gore e thuse batho.

Ke a leboga.

MR KEKGONEGILE: Supplementary.

Tanki Mr Speaker.

Re dumedise batlotlegi le setšhaba ka kakaretso.

Mothusa Tona, motho o ka botsa gore mo go tswaleng mo, what are the lessons learnt, re ithutile eng?

Re lebile gore sa ntlha o tswaletse vegetables, bo ditapole jalo, mme maungo ga o a a tswalela.

Target ya gago ke eng?


Maungo ka le one a tswa kwa ntle ga lefatshe, le ikaelela go tataisa Batswana mo lebakeng le le kae gore le one le bo le tswala?

Potso ya bobedi ke gore, a le ne le sa bone go le botlhokwa gore tshimologo ya go tswala ya lona, e bo e tsamaelana le ba ba tataisitsweng mo lefatsheng to supply, ba emisetsa ba ba ntseng ba tlisa ditapole kwano, kana kwa re ntseng re import teng?
We have to coincide le our producers mo lefatsheng gore ba kgona go emisetsa immediately, rather than re nne lebaka le le kanakana le le bolaileng bagwebi ba ba botlana.

Sa boraro ke gore, o bua ka free market, demand and supply, tirisanyo fa gare ga mogwebi le moreki.

Kgetsana ya dipotata e neng e e ja P70, gompieno ka ntata ya demand and supply principles, e ja P140.
A ga o bone go tshwanela gore lephata la gago le ka tsenya leitlho to regulate the prices tse, di se ka tsa ja batho mo go feteletseng, jaaka Goromente wa lona a dira mo dikgannyeng tsa petrol, oil, bo eng, you are regulating prices?

Sa bofelo, fa le dira jaana, go tshwanelwa ke gore le bo le dirile dipatlisiso tsa rona, jaanong tsa reng?

On estimation, import bill reduction e tsamaya fa kae fa re bua ka dilo tse di tswaleletsweng tse?
Fa o e tsaya, o bo o tsaya ditatlhegelo tse di nnileng teng mo bagwebing ba ba botlana, you estimate it fa kae?

The negative livelihood impact to families tsa bagwebi ba ba botlana you estimate it fa kae?

A fa le tsaya ditshwetso tse, dipatlisiso tse le a bo le di dirile?

Fa le di dirile, di raya setšhaba di reng?

Tanki Mr Speaker.

MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga motlotlegi.

Dipotso tsa gago di six.

Potso ya ntlha ke gore what are the lessons learnt?
Mma ke simolole ka negative implications tse re di ithutileng rra; go nnile le mathata a gore bagwebi ba ba botlana ba ba rekisang ditapole, go ba amile.

Ga ba a bona supply e ba neng ba e solofetse.

That is the negative part of it.

Negative part e nngwe ke gore le fa ba sepodise ba ne ba leka kwa melelwaneng, go ne go na le ditapole tse di neng di tsena ka bokukuntshwane.

Re bua boammaaruri, di ne di tsena tse dingwe mme bangwe ba ne ba tshwarwa.

Ke tsone tse re neng re di bona.


Ka demand e ne e le kwa godimo, go raya gore price e ne ya pagamela kwa godimo.

Se se araba ya gago ya bofelo gore fa go ntse jaana, re buisana le ba Consumer and Competition Authority gore re ka dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Ke buela mo go reng o ne a bua gore a mme prices can be regulated.

Ke se re se batlang kwa bogakoloding, kwa lephateng la ga Rre Kgafela.
13 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE Re a buisana gore fa go nna jaana, go raya eng.

Go dira gore inflation e ye kwa godimo.

Ke dumalana le wena.

Ke tsone the negative impacts.

The positive ones ke gore, re tla mo seemong sa mafatshe a tshwana le Rwanda.

Rwanda jaaka ke ne ke go bolelela, se ba se lemang kwa ga bone, ba kgona go se rekisa le kwa America.

Ba a ijesa mo ga bone, ba bo ba se rekise le kwa America.

Kgabagare ke gone mo re batlang gore re go dire.


Re tlaa mo nakong e e leng gore jaanong re okeditse balemi ba dijwalo dingwe tse di tshwanang le ditapole jaana.

Ba ba neng ba ntse ba lema rra, ba okeditse production ya bone.

Fa go diragala jalo, go raya gore re tlhama mebereko.

Fa re rekisa mo lefatsheng la rona, go jewa, we are reducing the import bill.

Se o neng o se bua, import bill ya rona e ya kwa tlase.
Fa re rekisetsa kwa ntle jaaka Rwanda le Ethiopia di rekisa coffee ya tsone kwa America, re tlisa madi mo lefatsheng la rona.

Fa ba thusa ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, madi a a tsena mo lefatsheng la rona.

The positive part of it, e e leng gore it outlives the negative ke gore kgabagare Botswana e tlaa nna self- sufficient mo go itemeleng merogo.

E tlaa re kwa dikoleng tsa rona, re bo re e ja dilo tse di dirwang ke Batswana kwa Maphomoleng kwa Motloutse, Shakawe le kae.
Re jesa dikole tsa rona, re tlhamela Batswana ditiro, re dira wealth creation.

E nngwe e e neng e bua gore re tlhomamisa jang ka re tswetse, go rekwa tsa rona tse di mo Botswana, tse di kwa jaanong ga di tlhola di tsena in the supply value chain; ke tseela gore go ne go na le ditamati tse di neng di tswa Limpopo, ga di sa tlhole di tsena.
Nnyaa mo go automatic, ga re emisitse tsa Limpopo ka gore demand ya ditamati e santse e le teng mo Botswana, go raya gore… HONOURABLE MEMBER: O Molebatsi, ga ke ise ke go botse potso eo.

ipotsa dipotso MR MOLEBATSI: O ne o re re tlhomamisa jang ka gore go tswetswe, Batswana ba tsena jang in the supply chain e e teng.

Ke sone se ke se buang ke re, go automatic, fa go tswetswe kwa demand e santse e le teng, go raya gore e tsaya tsa rona tse di kwano.
E tsaya ditapole tse di dirwang kwa Bobonong le Tuli Block.

E tsaya ditamati tse di dirwang ke Motswana kwa Maun.

Go automatic gone moo, go a itira ka bogone.

re na le authority e e re gakololang gore kgwebo ga e ka ke ya tsamaisiwa jalo.

Batho ga ba ka ke ba ithekisetsa ba le nosi.

Ke dumela gore go na le e nngwe e e neng e bua gore motho o a lema, then transports, packages a bo ba ithekisetsa (vertical integration).
Mme le yone re e isitse kwa go ba Competition Authority ba a e sekaseka gore a mme golo mo, go siame.

Ke dumela gore ga ba kgakala le go re neela maduo a patlisiso ya bone.

Ga ke itse gore a go na le nngwe rra e ke e tlodileng ya gago HONOURABLE MEMBER: Import bill reduction amount.

MR MOLEBATSI: Import bill reduction amount; ga ke na dipalo gompieno.

Ke ka go bolelela gore ditamati ga di tsene.

Lettuce ga e tsene e e tswang kwa South Africa.

Go raya gore ga re reke kwa.

Re tshwere madi a teng.


Ka simple Setswana, madi a re ka bong re reka ka one kwa Aferika Borwa, a reka mo Botswana.

Ke go fokotsa import bill gone moo.

Import bill go tewa madi a re a dirisang go reka kwa ntle kana go tlisa dilo kwano.

This instrument e dira gore re se ka ra reka kwa ntle, re reke mo Batswaneng.

Ke ka go batlela dipalo rra gore re tsamaya fa kae mo go yone gompieno.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Magnitude of loss of income to small businesses.
MR MOLEBATSI: Ga ke na dipalo tsa teng mme ke dumalana le wena gore small businesses have lost their business.

Ka e ne e se potso e o neng o e boditse, ke ka go batlela dipalo tsa teng gore ke selekanyo se se kae.

Eo ke dumalana le wena gore ke a negative impact jaaka ke ne ke bua fa ke simolola.

There were negative impacts and some of them re ne re ntse re itse gore di tlaa nna teng.

Re ne re ntse re di solofetse ka experience ya rona ya kwa metsing, borotho le uniform fela jalo.
MR TSHERE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re ke botse potso.

Kana Honourable Molebatsi, ga o ise o brief Palamente tota ka the ban, gore what has been banned.

Ga ke gakologelwe ke utlwa e bile ga ke gakologelwe ke sa tla Palamenteng.

Ke ne ke re gongwe o tlhatswe fela gore what has been banned tota ka gore o ne o re not fruits and vegetables but horticultural products?
Gape se sengwe sa bobedi, a le itse ka kgang ya gore jaanong ba ba ntseng ba le rekisetsa dipeo ba emisa go di le rekisetsa, they are now cutting the supply of seeds to you?

Thank you.

Free market economy; ke tsaya gore ke e arabile.


Fa re le mo free market economy, go bo go nna le dilo dingwe tse di diragalang tse e leng gore re le Puso di a re fatlha, MR MOLEBATSI: Ee rra potso ya ntlha gore what has been banned, mma ke gatelele gape ke tlhalose gore fruits are not banned, di a tsena and what has been 14 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE banned ke merogo.
Ke list fela e e telele ya merogo; tomatoes, carrots, beetroots, potatoes, cabbage, lettuce, garlic, onions, ginger, turmeric, chilli peppers, butternuts, water melons, sweet peppers, green millies, fresh herbs, fela jalojalo, merogo e re e itseng e re e e jang letsatsi le letsatsi mo ditafoleng tsa rona.

MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga.

Mma ke simolole ka ya conflict of interest.

Gongwe ke simolole ka gore ka kitso ya me, ga gona molao ope yo o kganelang gore Matona ba ka dira kgwebo.
Bangwe Matona gone fa bangwe ba rekisa dikoloi, di fong kong, bangwe ba na le dikgomo ba ruile… E nngwe e ne e re a ke a itse gore ba ba rekisang menontshane ba emisitse, nnyaa rra mo lephateng la rona ga rena information eo.

Se re se itseng ke gore ba ba rekisang menontshane se se re tshwenyang ka gore e tlaa tlhokafala e le mentsi, prices tsa menontshane di ka nna tsa ya kwa godimo ka gore demand ya teng e nna ntsi.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ra re peo, e seng menontshane.

MR MOLEBATSI: Peo.
MR MOLEBATSI: Peo.

Kwa lephateng la rona rra ga re na information epe which suggests that ba ba rekisang dipeo ba fokotsegile.

Go ka nna molemo gore ba fokotsege ka gore se re batlang se diragala ke gore Batswana le bone ba tsene in production ya seedlings go nne le dipeo tse di tswang mo lefatsheng la rona.

Maikaelelo ke one ao gore go fokotsege tse di tswang kwa ntle.

Fa e le gore go diragala jalo, go tla sentle rra.


Maikaelelo ke gore go fokotsege tse di tswang kwa ntle, a ke menontshane, dipeo kana products tse re buang ka tsone.

Ke one maikaelelo gore re nne self-sufficient.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, I think we should end this debate.

Last supplementary, Honourable Dr Gobotswang.

DR GOBOTSWANG: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Honourable Minister, ke ne ke re a mafoko a ke boammaaruri a gore Tautona le bangwe Matona ba mo kgwebong ya go lema ditapole?

Fa e le gore ke boammaaruri, a mme fa le tsaya tshwetso le le mo Khuduthamageng, a le lebile gore tshwetso e le e tsayang ke e e leng gore jaanong batho ba ka tsaya gore le tlaabo le sireleditse dikeletso tsa lona, e seng tsa bo mmaditafole?

Conflict of interest, a golo mo go teng mo Pusong ya lona ya Domkrag?
Ya bobedi ke gore wa re o ne o tshwere diphuthego ka di 3 tsa fa February tsa batsayakarolo, a ba Horticultural Council ba ne ba le teng?

Fa e le gore ba ne ba le teng, ba ne ba reng ka go tswala ga dipotata le tse dingwe?

E nngwe ke gore jaanong ka le a lemoga gore mme tota dipotata di tlaa nna dintsi ka April, ke eng le ne le sa emele April gore le tswale melelwane go nale go emisa gompieno?

Ke a leboga.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Matona bafe ba ba rekisang di fong kong Molebatsi?

Mapalamente, e seng Matona.


MR MOLEBATSI: Sure, Mapalamente.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Matona.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: A re Matona.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O raya Moswaane gakere?

MR MOLEBATSI: Ke raya Moswaane, ee.

Ga gona molao ope o o kganelang Matona gore ba ka dira dikgwebo.

Matona ba tshwanetse to declare interests, segolobogolo kwa ba dirang teng, ke tshwanelo.

Declaration of interest e dirwa kwa go Tautona e le sephiri sa Tona ene yoo le Tautona.
Jaanong ga ke itse ka o ne o re o a ba itse ba four le Assistant Minister, nna ga ke ba itse.

Gongwe ba dirile gone kwa go Tautona ka bobone koo.

Declaration of interest, ke dumela gore ga gona Tona yo o sa dirang jalo le nna tota I have declared my interest kwa go Tautona, mme e ne e le nna le Tautona fela, e ne e se sepe se se neng se le public nako yone eo.
Ya Horticultural Council gore a ba ne ba le teng, batsayakarobo botlhe, segolobogolo bone ba horticulture le associations tse di farologanyeng, ba ne ba le teng mo phuthegong eo.

Re ntse re rerisanya le bone.

Re kile ra ya le gone kwa television, ke gakologelwa gore re ne re na le ba Horticultural Council le Tona Manake.

E bile ba itumelela thata gore go nne le one molao wa go nna jalo.

Se setona ke gone fela gore rra, consultation e dirilwe.
Fa go na le ditlamorago, ke batla go gatelela se, go ka tswa go na le ditlamorago tse di seng monate di babalela bangwe mme it is natural.

Se setona ke gore re di baakanya ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Ke sone se re se dirang gompieno le go tswelela re ntse re buisanya le batsayakarolo ba ba farologanyeng.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

15 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE CRIME AND VIOLENT CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES MR M. BALOPI (GABORONE NORTH): asked the Minister of Defence, Justice and Security whether he is aware that crime and violent criminal activities appear to be on the rise; and further state: STATUTORY INSTRUMENT NO.
117 OF 2021: HYPOTHECATION (AUTHORISED CREDITORS) (AMENDMENT) REGULATIONS, 2021 (Minister of Finance and Economic Development) (i) what the national crime statistics demonstrate regarding violent crimes in each of the following years: 2020, 2021 and 2022; (ii) what forms of violent crimes are most prominent; (iii) whether illegal firearms are a concern to security organs in view of the fact that gun related crimes seem to be on the rise, and what plans are in place to arrest the situation; (iv) what security organs are doing to improve visibility and their presence around the country and within Gaborone, as a measure to avert crime occurrence; and (v) if he will consider introducing facial recognition capabilities in security cameras so that chances of identifying criminals can be improved.
Later Date.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A re boele kwa go Molebatsi Mr Speaker.

MR MOLEBATSI: Ba tlise ke ba arabe Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A re boele kwa go Molebatsi.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A re boele kwa go Molebatsi jaaka re dirile kgantele.

TABLING OF PAPERS The following papers were tabled: STATUTORY INSTRUMENT NO.

112 OF 2021: HYPOTHECATION (AUTHORISED CREDITORS) (AMENDMENT) REGULATIONS, 2021 (Minister of Finance and Economic Development) STATUTORY INSTRUMENT NO.
113 OF 2021: HYPOTHECATION (AUTHORISED CREDITORS) (AMENDMENT) REGULATIONS, 2021 (Minister of Finance and Economic Development) REPORT ON THE FATAL ACCIDENT OF THE ROBINSON R44 RAVEN HELICOPTER, ZSSBM AT WESTERN SAND VELD RANCHES ON THE 5TH MARCH, 2021 (Minister of Transport and Communications) GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER SUPPLEMENTING NORTH WEST DISTRICT CATTLE FARMERS WHO SELL THEIR CATTLE TO BOTSWANA MEAT COMMISSION (BMC) Motion (Resumed Debate) MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!
Order!

Honourable Members, the debate is resuming on this Motion.

When the House adjourned last week Friday on the 25th Honourable Motsamai was on the floor debating and he is left with two minutes 18 seconds.

MR MOTSAMAI (GHANZI SOUTH): Mr Speaker, ke jaaka ke ne ke bua ke gatelela mabaka otlhe a Rre Kekgonegile a a beileng pele Palamente e. Ke bua jaana ke itlhaloganya, ka ba ka baya le dikai tsa mathata a batho ba North West ba tsenyeng mo go one.
Goromente o tsweletse ka go neela batho ba North West mokwatla mo ditiragalong tse di farologanyeng.

Ke supile thata gore dihawa tse di welang batho ba North West, a ke tsa go bua ka ntsi ya lethobo, kgofa ya BeMobile ka fa ba e bitsang ka teng, kana ka Foot and Mouth, le ka thekiso, dilo tse tsotlhe batho ba North West ba tshela ka botlhoko jaaka noga.

Jaanong ke kgang ya gore tota batho ba ba Modimo ba ye go ikuela kae, ba sekasekelwe kae?
Mr Speaker, bangwe ba ne ba supa gore Goromente ga a tshwanela go direla batho sengwe le sengwe, batho ba tshwanetse go ipelega, bogolo jang ba bua ka farmers.

Ke akaretse fela lefatshe lotlhe gore, ke buile gore farmers ga se gore ba emelela fela ba bo ba re re nna farmers jaaka dilo tsa masalamose.

Farmers ba duela badisa, ba a kenta, ba tlhokomela masaka, ba rekela badisa dijo, ba ithekela diesel.

Ba jesa lefatshe ka go ntsha one maduo a a tswang mo kgomong.

E a bo e le maiteko.


Ntle le foo, ba bo ba boa gape being charged madi a gotweng ke levy ya dikgomo.

16 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER SUPPLEMENTING NORTH WEST DISTRICT CATTLE FARMERS WHO SELL THEIR CATTLE TO BOTSWANA MEAT COMMISSION (BMC)Motion (Resumed Debate) Ke re dikgang tse ke tse di batlang gore batho fa ba tshwana le ba kgaolo ya North West Mr Speaker, Goromente a ba reetse fela jaaka a tsere tshwetso ya go reetsa batho ba kgaolo tsa bo Phikwe fa meepo e wetse.
A bona gore golo mo batho ba Modimo ba wetswe ke seru, mma ke dire lenaneo la SPEDU gore ke tle ke ba thuse go ba ntsha mo isong Mr Speaker.

Have a nice weekend.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Motsamai.

MR MOATLHODI (TONOTA): Ke a go leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Good morning Mr Speaker.

Dikgomo ke botshelo… OF MINISTER ASSISTANT YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR BILLY): On a point of procedure Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Ke ne ke tsaya gore o kare go ne go tshwanetse go tsena nna.

Maloba re ne re buisana o bo o re, nnyaa kana ke ne ke sa bonale, mme o ne o lemogile gore go tshwanetse go tsene nna.

Jaanong ke ne ke na le tsholofelo ya gore gongwe go tsena nna.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le nna ke mosupi Mr Speaker.

Ke ene a tsenang.

MR SPEAKER: Yes, indeed Honourable Billy, I have just got an indication from the Whip you will follow after the Deputy Speaker.
leboga Motlotlegi MR MOATLHODI: Ke a Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke sa tswa go tlhalosa fa dikgomo e le botshelo.

Ka tlhalosa gape gore dikgomo di neela Motswana seriti.

Fa o ruile kgomo fela o a ikutlwa gore o na le seriti, e bile dikgomo re di neela lerato le le ntsi thata rona barui ba tsone.

Ke rata ke gakolola Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente gore ga go na ope motho mo Botswana yo o pateletswang go rua dikgomo.
Ke tshwanetse ka papamatsa gape gore dikgomo, cattle are an expensive necessity to keep.

Fa o ruile dikgomo o itse gore o ya go tsena fa gare ga ditshenyegelo tse di seng kana ka sepe.

Ke gone ka mo o bonang dikgomo di ruiwa ke motho yo o ikiteileng sehuba, yo o itseng gore nako le nako, e bile a tlhoafaletse go rua, ka gore nako le nako o a bo a itse gore o ya go mekamekana le mathata a thuo.
Mosutisi wa Tshutiso e e fa pele ga rona a re barui ba kgaolo ya gagwe ba thusiwe ka mabaka a a re a beileng pele.

Kgaolo ya Bobirwa ke nngwe ya dikgaolo tse di tshwenngwang ke leuba nako le nako, le dikgaolo tse dingwe, mme kgaolo ya Bobirwa e le kwa pele.

Le fa e le ka letsatsi le lengwefela ga ke ise ke utlwe bagwagwadi ba me ba lela ba re tlayang le re thuse le le Puso le re nyeleletse leuba ka gore ba itse gore fa o le morui wa dikgomo, ke dingwe tsa dilo tse o tshwanetseng wa kopana le tsone.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: O nna kae Botate?

O nna kae tota?

MR MOATLHODI: Ke ruetse teng, o mpolelela gore ke nna kae, e kare le katse o sena nayo jaana.

Fa re le Puso ya lefatshe le re ka tsaya tshwetso e e ntseng jaana ya go thusa batho ba North West beef farmers, re tlaabo re ithala thipa mpeng.

Ke maloba jaana, ga go bogologolo re raya Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Ngami re re ga re ka ke ra dumalana le mathata a a neng a a bua a barui ba kgaolo ya gagwe.
We did that for a simple reason ya gore kgomo ka Setswana ra re “kgomo ke ngwana e a itlhokomelelwa.” BMC e na le thulaganyo ya go thusa go nontshetsa barua-kgomo dikgomo pele ga thekiso.

Balemi-barui ba ralephalo wa bone, Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa bone kana botlhe ba ba amegang ba tshwanetse ba ba bontshe gore BMC e na le thuso.

BMC gore e go nontshetse dikgomo e na le se e se lopang mo go wena.
Re tshwanetse ra itse bagaetsho gore fa re ka simolola ra dira thuso e ra e isa kwa bathong kwa e lopiwang teng gompieno, re tlaabo re ikgoletsa molelo o e tlaa reng kamoso ra palelwa ke go o ora.

Ka Sengwaketse re tlaabo re itobekanyetsa tsamaiso ya rona ya thuo ya dikgomo.

Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Bobonong Rraetsho Lucas o tlaa dumalana le nna gore kwa ga bone, bagwagwadi ba me wa dira tiro e e ntseng jaana wa fapoga fela mo tseleng, o do itshela moko wa dalane.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ae, ga re dumalane.


HONOURABLE MEMBER: He will be betraying the struggle, ga a dumalane.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ka dumalana le dipuo tse di ntseng jalo?

MR MOATLHODI: Ka Setswapong ba re fa o ka dira jaana, o tlaabo o eme dintsentsepa, o ithela lethuthu.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, o a se leka Setswapong.

MR MOATLHODI: Ka Serolong fa go ntse jaana ra re o tlaabo o itshela thura.

A mme ke gone bagaetsho?


Lefatshe la Botswana le le kanakana, re bo re bona re 17 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER SUPPLEMENTING NORTH WEST DISTRICT CATTLE FARMERS WHO SELL THEIR CATTLE TO BOTSWANA MEAT COMMISSION (BMC)Motion (Resumed Debate) fapogile re re re ya go thusa morafe, ba bangwe kamoso le bone ba tlaa re lelala kwa Mahalapye, Tonota le kwa Ramotlabaki.
Fa re bua ka dikgomo jaana Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke batla go tsaya sebaka se go leboga moswi Tautona wa rona wa bobedi, rraarona Quett Ketumile Joni Masire, Rra Gaone, may his soul rest in peace.

Dikgomo tsa Ngamiland di ne tsa tsewa tsa bolawa tsotlhe, ya re di bolailwe tsotlhe Goromente a tsaya tshwetso ya go kuela mo setšhabeng sa Botswana gore Ngamiland e nne restocked.

Re tswa go tsenya dikgomo tse dintle kwa Maun.

Tse a buang ka tsone tse ga a itse kwa di tswang teng.
Di tsentswe ke Rra Gaone, bo Santa Gertrudis, Bonsmara, Brahman, Red Brahman, bo Beef Master.

Ke batla go tsaya sebaka se go lebogela thulaganyo e ntle e Rraetsho Masire a tsamaileng a e diretse tšhaba ya Goo Tawana.

Ke gone ka moo ke buang ke eme mo kgatong ya ga Rraetsho Masire gore a mongwe le mongwe yo o ruileng kgomo mo lefatsheng leno, botlhe re eme ka dinao re itse gore dikgomo tseo a di tlhokomelwe, di alafiwe gore di tle di tote.
Lefatshe leno le tshela ka kgomo, fa re leng teng fa o bona re na le matlhabelo a mantle a a gaisang otlhe mo lefatsheng, le fa malatsi a ba a tlogela a ya kwa tlase mme matlhabelo a rona a BMC ke mangwe a dikgantshwane tse re neng re ntse... tsone tseo ke di rutilwe ke Rra Gaone.

Ke gakologelwa teraka ya ntlha e ile go tshela dikgomo kwa Goo Tawana, ke mo leletsa mogala ke mmotsa gore go ne go ntse jang Mokwena?

“The people of Goo Tawana were bamboozled.”I am quoting him verbatim.
May his soul rest in peace.

Basadi bomme kwa Goo Tawana ba itumelela kgorogo ya dikgomo.

Ke tsele letsatsi leno ba ne ba ruile bo kgwana-matlhong pele, moretlwa-wa-noka le bo mpaa-seatla.

We introduced bo Santa Gertrudis, di dintle letsatsi leno dikgomo tsa Goo Tawana.

Nnyaa a boo-Tawana ba rotloetse, ba itlhokomelele dikgomo tsa bone.

Motlotegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, I do not support this Motion.

I thank you for the chance you gave me Mr Speaker.

Thank you sir.
Thank you sir.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O bua seDomkrag fela se se kwa morago.

MR MOATLHODI: O ne o batla ke bua segalona?

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Buti Billy.

tlwaetse go roga batho MR MOATLHODI: O Keorapetse, ke a go itse.

O rugile Tautona, my heart is still bleeding about the things you... MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, I have given the floor to Honourable Billy.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation.

MR MOATLHODI: I yield Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Yes elucidation, go ahead.


MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (DR DIKOLOTI): Point of elucidation.

Tanki Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo, tanki Rra Nkamo.

O santse o e tshwere fela foo Rra Nkamo, ke ne ke re ke go tlatse ka gore kana e bile mo go yone re-stocking eo, o tlaa gakologelwa gore e thusa gape go kgona to balance kgang ya dipoo le manamagadi.
O ya go fitlhela e le gore jaanong fa ba dintsha, go nna le a proper ratio e e leng gore kwa bofelong e felela e thusa gone moo gore e atolose dipalo tsone tse.

Gape e Rra Nkamo, jone bolwetse jo o buang ka jone jo bo bakiwang ke lethobo jwa kgofa e thamagana, re le Puso re ne re eme ka dinao re thusa barui ba gone kwa Ngamiland go ba tipela dikgomo tse mahala fela.

Tanki.

MR MOATLHODI: Ke a go leboga Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tona.
Ke sone se o bonang ke gopola Rre, and I must take pride pompously, dipolotiki tse ke nang le 18 OF MINISTER ASSISTANT YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR BILLY): Mma ke go leboge rraetsho gore o bo mphile sebaka seno go akgela kana ka go ntsha lentswe mo Tshutisong e e ntshitsweng ke mokaulengwe.

Selo santlha fela mma ke mo lebogele gore o na le keletso mo thuong ya dikgomo mo dikgaolong tsa gagwe gore e nne e faphegileng, e nne ya maduo a a rileng mo bathong ba Ngamiland.
Se se ntshwenyang rraetsho ke gore ke ne ke solofetse go le gontsi gore e tlaa re a re o kopa kopo e gore re dumalane le ene, a bo a ka re direla cost of benefit analysis ya gore dithuso tse di leng teng, ga di tswele mosola batho ba Ngamiland go le kae.

Motho o ka fa sekai ka subsidies tse dileng teng; go na le a subvention ya P20 million kwa BMC, go na le Makalamabedi e ba ka isang dikgomo tsa bone for quarantine.
Le gone gape gore go na le tokafatso e e yang go dirwa kwa Nokaneng le kwa Kgomokgwana, e e tlaabong e thusa barui ba koo gore ba tsenye dikgomo tsa bone mo kwarantining.

Tsone dilo tse tsotlhe tse ke dibuileng, o ne a tshwanetse gape go re tlhalosetse gore fa kgomo e tsentswe mo kwarantining, e lopa bokae mo Pusong gore re tle re kgone go dumalana le ene sentle.
Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER SUPPLEMENTING NORTH WEST DISTRICT CATTLE FARMERS WHO SELL THEIR CATTLE TO BOTSWANA MEAT COMMISSION (BMC)Motion (Resumed Debate) Mma ke tlhalose gore tota ka boammaaruri, kakanyo e is not sustainable ka lebaka la go supa gore tota mme maduo a Goromente a a dirang, a bonala.
The international implications, segolong jang tsa veterinary compliances, ke selo se Goromente o se emetseng ka dinao, o a se ntsha ka budget e rileng, ka dinako tse go tlhokafalang dithuso tseo.
Go tswa ka ngwga wa 2018 Goromente o ne tsaya commitment e e leng gore ngwaga le ngwaga o ya go ntsha P20 million go thusa BMC ya Maun gore dikgomo tsa bone di rekwe ka tlhwatlhwa e e riling, mme go akarediwa le gore kgomo e tlhokomelwe jang morago fa e rekisiwa; market o o local, o o mo lwapeng le o o international.
Kgomo gompieno kwa BMC Maun, e rekwa P28 per kilogram (kg) mme e dirilwe ke yone thuso ya P20 million ya subvention e e dirilweng ke Goromente mo go lekeng go thusa morui wa kgomo wa Ngamiland.

Re tsaya dikeletso tse ka gore re a tlhaloganya rotlhe gore Goromente o a itse gore kgomo e mosola go le kae mo botshelong jwa Motswana, ba ke dumelang gore rotlhe ba re leng fa bontsi jwa rona, re ka tswa re ruile tse pedi tse tharo.
Sone seo ke sesupo sa gore Batswana ba kgatlhegela thuo ya dikgomo ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Goromente le ene o kgatlhegela thuo ya dikgomo ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

So, if this P20 million was not invested kwa BMC, e ka bo dikgomo kwa Ngamiland di rekwa ka tlhwatlhwa e e kwa tlase go feta zones tse tsotlhe.
Jaanong zone ya Ngamiland e itepatepantse le zones tse dingwe ka lebaka la thuso yone e. Honourable Hikuama o tshwanetse go tlhalosa gore a reng ka quarantining dikgomo kwa Makalamabedi ka charge e e leng gore Goromente does not charge you… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Wa re Hikuama kana ke Kekgonegile?

MR BILLY: …for free.

Gone foo, Makalamabedi le yone can quarantine, e na le capacity ya to quarantine dikgomo di le 5 000.
Ke sengwe se e leng gore mosutisi wa Motion o, o ne a tshwanetse gore a re fe dintlha tsone tseo.

Se sengwe ke gore, balemi le bone ba ka itirela quarantines tsa bone kwa merakeng le dipolase tsa bone, mme Goromente a tswelela a re nnyaa, mme le fa le ka itirela, ke tsosolosa kwa Kgomo Kgwana le kwa Nokaneng gore re oketse palo ya dikgomo tse e leng gore can be quarantined ka nako e di tlhokafalang ka teng.
Ke dumela gore sone seo ke thuso nngwe e Honourable Hikuama a ka bong a bona gore Motion wa gagwe is not justified.

Ke Motion o e leng gore… HONOURABLE MEMBER: O debate Motion wa ga mang, ke wa ga Kekgonegile?

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR BILLY: Honourable Gobotswang; the mover of the Motion.

Se re tshwanetseng gore re se tlhaloganye ke gore, go dira jalo, re dira ka maikaelelo a go leka go tokafatsa dikgomo.
So ga ke dumele gore fa Goromente a tsere tlhoafalo ya gore go tokafadiwe tlhwatlhwa le market wa dikgomo ka go dira gore dikgomo di nne mo tebegong e e leng gore they can attract market o o rileng.

Ka kitsonyana ya me e ke nang le yone, tlaa ke botse the mover of the Motion gore a mme o lebeletse gore kgomo fa e fula fela mo nageng e ja bo kae ka letsatsi per kg.
A mme o lebeletse gore fa kgomo e le mo feedlot kana e fiwa dijo, ka letsatsi e ja bo kae, mo malatsing a le 30 e tlaabo e jele kilograms di le kae tsa dijo tse e leng gore e a di jesiwa, at what cost kana ka bokae.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Minister.

MR BILLY: Go botlhokwa gore fa o ntsha Motion o o tshwanang le o, o bo o ka tlhalosa tse tsotlhe gore mme kana fa ke re dikgomo should be quarantined, mo quarantine fa dikgomo di fiwa feeds, go tlhokafala le gore di fiwe feed ya selekanyo se le kae.
Ke kopa gore the mover of the Motion, o ye go dira dipalo tsa gago sentle gore fa e le gore go na le ka fa o neng o eletsa gore Goromente a ka thusa teng batho ba Ngami… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa Minister.

tlhaloso MR BILLY: … o ka tlhalosa rraetsho.

MR KEKGONEGILE: Tanki.

What are you implying Minister; are you implying that kwa Makalamabedi Quarantine goromente o re jesetsa dikgomo?

A ke sone se o se buang?

A mme go ntse jalo?

A mme ene Makalamabedi Quarantine o a mo itse?


A mme o kile wa bona seemo sa teng fa dikgomo di tshegeditswe (quarantined) gore go diragala eng?

MR BILLY: Nnyaa, Honourable Kekgonegile, the mover of the Motion, ka tshwanelo fela e ne e le wena yo o neng o tshwanetse gore fa o sutisa Motion, o bo o ka re tlhalosetsa (update) gore the facilities tse di leng teng ga di kgone ka lebaka le le le.

Fa o re ntshetsa Motion o bo o sa re fe that information, we are going to provide information for you.
19 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER SUPPLEMENTING NORTH WEST DISTRICT CATTLE FARMERS WHO SELL THEIR CATTLE TO BOTSWANA MEAT COMMISSION (BMC)Motion (Resumed Debate) MR KEKGONEGILE: So o ne o seo when I moved?

MR BILLY: Ke leka go go fa tlhaloso ya gore o tlhaloganye gore facility ya Makalamabedi is for free.

MR KEKGONEGILE: Ke a go itshwarela; o ne o seo… HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ne a seo when you moved the Motion; mo itshwarele.
MR BILLY: Ke sengwe se e leng gore o tshwanetseng go itse gore is for free; Goromente o dira jalo a ntsha madi, re dirisa the taxpayers’ money, mme re etsetlhoko gore keletso ya rona ke gore dikgomo mo Botswana di rekwe ka tlhwatlhwa e e rileng gongwe le gongwe go sena mo gotweng ke zone e e leng gore ke ya Tlhako le Molomo, e e na le kgofa e e rileng.
Ke sengwe se o tshwanetseng gore pele ga o dira sengwe le sengwe, ke go fa assignment Rre Kekgonegile gore tsamaya o ye go dira assignment ya dipalo gore re tle re kgone go go reetsa mo go se o se buang.

Give us figures, o se ka wa re raya fela o re o batla subsidy e e leng gore ga o na figures mo go yone.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you.

Honourable Ambassador Kapinga.

MR KAPINGA (OKAVANGO): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke lebogela sebaka se sa go latlhela mo kgannyeng e re lebaganeng le yone.
Fa ke reeditse sebui se se tswang mo floor, ga ke itse gore figures tse a di batlang, ke dife, ka gore figures di beilwe fa pele ga Palamente e gore fa o hira teraka e e tswang kwa Shakawe e go isetsa kgomo kwa Makalamabedi o duela P700; it is a figure.

Fa e e tsaya kwa Makalamabedi e isa kwa Maun o duela P250, that is a figure.

For the 30 days that dikgomo tsa gago di nnang kwa Makalamabedi, o rekela modisa dijo; o a mo duela Mr Speaker.

Ke tsone figures tseo.


Ga ke itse gore o batla figures dife tse a buang ka tsone.

Fa ke tswa mo go yone Mr Speaker, ke batla gore rotlhe re tlhaloganye se, kgaolo e re buang ka yone, ka Sekgoa gatwe is structurally disadvantaged.

We are trying to address those structural disadvantages tse e leng gore kgaolo ya rona ya Bokone Bophirima e lebagane le tsone.
Selo sa ntlha se se dirang gore go rua kgomo go se ka ga busetsa molemi mo kgaolong ya rona, ke gore ga go na tsone quarantines tse di gaufi le balemi kwa ba ruelang dikgomo tsa bone teng.

This creates a structural disadvantage.

Jaanong Goromente ga a na maikaelelo.

Ka fa rona re le baagi ba kgaolo ya North West re mmonang ka teng, Goromente ga a na maikaelelo a go tsosolosa quarantine ya Kgomo Kgwana e e neng e ka fokoletsa balemibarui ditshenyegelo tsa go isa dikgomo tsa bone kwa BMC.
That is a structural disadvantage.

Ga e tshwane le dikgaolo tse dingwe tse e leng gore quarantines di gaufi le tsone, e bile le ditsela tsa teng ke tse di seng maswe jaaka tse re di bonang mo kgaolong ya rona, especially ya Okavango.

Ke batla re ipeye mo seemong sa molemi yo o kwa Gudigwa le Beetsha gore fa a akanya fela go pega kgomo ya gagwe a e isa kwa Makalamabedi, what are the costs that stand in front of him; what are the cost implications.
Fa Goromente a ne a dirile boikarabelo jwa gagwe, a dirile her part, a tsositse Kgomo Kgwana a e tsosetsa barui ba Okavango gore ditshenyegelo tsa bone le bone di ye kwa tlase fa ba isa dikgomo tsa bone kwa BMC, ba se ka ba nna structurally disadvantaged unlike other farmers in other areas.
Mr Speaker, re ipeye mo seemong sa morui yo o kwa Gudigwa yo e leng gore teraka fa e tla kwa go ene, charges tsa teng ga se tse di kanang ka sepe ka gore tsela ya teng e sa le e nna jaaka e ntse ka ngwaga wa fa re tsaya boipuso, ga se tsela e e motlhofo go e tsamaya.

Therefore, the transporters charge madi a a seng kana ka sepe go ya go tsaya dikgomo kwa bo Gudigwa.
Fa a ya go tsaya cheque ya gagwe kwa BMC, ke mokang a kgaoganang madi a kgomo ya gagwe le transporter, transporter a tsaya 50 per cent le ene a tsaya 50 per cent, e bo e le gore maiteko a gagwe a go leka go tlhabolola botshelo jwa gagwe, ga a ye gope because of those structural disadvantages.

Ke dumela gore Motion o o batla gore Goromente a itebaganye le seemo se se sa tshwaneng le diemo tse dingwe tsa morui wa kgaolo e tshwana le Okavango.
Gore morui wa kgaolo ya Okavango, ke ka mo thusa jang ke le Goromente, gore fa a tla go rekisa kgomo ya gagwe, a boelwe ke sengwe ka gore ke le Goromente, ke tlaabo ke tsentse sengwenyana go mo thusa gore kgomo ya gagwe e mmusetse sengwe se se bonalang.
Jaanong fa kgaolo ya rona e santse e ntse jaaka e ntse jaana, go sena ditsela, ga ke reye ditsela tse di yang kwa merakeng Motlotlegi PPP, ke a itse gore o a tšhesega, ke raya tsela e e tswang kwa Shakawe e ya kwa Maun, e e tswang kwa Gudingwa e ya kwa Mohembo e ya go tlolela kwa Shakawe.

Tse di yang kwa merakeng ya rona, re tlaa iponela gore re tlaa tswa jang ka tsone.
Fa kgaolo ya rona e santse e sena ditsela tse di tshwaraganyang metse e metona, ke 20 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER SUPPLEMENTING NORTH WEST DISTRICT CATTLE FARMERS WHO SELL THEIR CATTLE TO BOTSWANA MEAT COMMISSION (BMC)Motion (Resumed Debate) dumela gore Goromente yo o tlhokomelang, yo o nang le selo se gotweng empathy, yo o dumelang mo selong se gotweng equity, o tshwanetse go dumela gore morui wa Okavango le Ngami is structurally disadvantaged as opposed to morui wa kwa Gulushata kana morui wa kwa PPP a ruang teng.
Ke tsone dilo tse re batlang gore Goromente a di itebaganye.

Fa Motion o ntse jaana, we are not prescribing gone jaana gore Goromente a dire a, b, c and d, we are saying Goromente should admit, a lemoge e bile a amogele gore there are serious structural disadvantages tse morui wa kgaolo ya North West a lebaganeng le tsone.
Fa ke le Goromente yo o tlhokomelang, yo o ratang batho ba kgaolo ele, ke tlaabo ke amogela gore mme re a bona gore le na le mathata a ba bangwe ba senang nao, mme re le Goromente, re tlaa sekaseka, re bo re tswa ka megopolo gore re ka dira jang gore ditshenyegelo tse di le lebaganang fa le leka go rekisa kgomo jaaka morui yo mongwe mo kgaolong e nngwe mo Botswana, re ka dira jang go le fokoletsa those disadvantages that you face.
That is what this Motion is talking about, ga e bue gore batho ba North West ba direlwe any favour which is unmerited, no.

Re bua gore these people are facing serious structural disadvantages tse e leng gore ke boikarabelo jwa ga Goromente gore a itebaganye le tsone.

Ga re na ditsela, ke sone se se oketsang ditshenyegelo tse dintsintsi tsa morui fa a batla go rekisa kgomo ya gagwe.

Ga go na kwarantine e e berekang mo kgaolong yotlhe ya North West except kwarantine ya Makalamabedi.
Ke sone se re se batlang gore Goromente a itebaganye le dilo tse, a lemoge bokete jo morui a bo rweleng wa Kgaolo ya North West fa a leka go itshetsa ka kgomo.

Ke yone kgang e re e bayang fa pele ga Palamente, mme Goromente yo o nang le boikarabelo, o tshwanetse go amogela gore this is the situation that is prevailing in that area a bo a bona gore a ka dira jang.

MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (DR DIKOLOTI): On a point of clarification.

Tanki motlotlegi, tanki Mr Speaker.


Ke ne ke re Honourable Kapinga, a o lemoga gore kgang ya transportation ya dikgomo to…(Inaudible)…ga go na gope kwa e diragalang teng mo lefatsheng la Botswana?

Ke dumela gore ke sengwe se nna le wena re ka dumalanang gore it is not a sustainable thing to do for BMC to say they can get involved in that linkage of this value chain.
So ke belaela gore kgotsa fa o ntse o e tsenya mo teng, you dilute Motion wa ga Motlotlegi Kekgonegile ka gore ene tota kgang ya gagwe o ne a re Puso e thuse go disa dikgomo fa di le kwa kwarantineng ka fa a beileng Motion o ka teng, e ya transportation tota is another opportunity e e leng gore it is a linkage within the beef value chain.
Ke dumela gore fa ke respond ke ne ka bua gore e e kwa Kgomokgwana, re eme ka dinao go bona gore… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Gape ga a bue nnete, Motion ga o ise o bue gore go jesiwe dikgomo.

DR DIKOLOTI: Thank you sir.

MR KAPINGA: Honourable Minister, fa o ka reetsa my argument, I am talking about the structural disadvantages that are faced by morui wa kgaolo ya North West District which render his attempts or efforts at improving his life through cattle farming negligible.
Ke kgang e ke e buang gore Goromente yo o tlhokomelang, o tshwanetse go lemoga gore ga ke a aga, ga ke a dira ditsela tse di siameng mo kgaolong ele, which now escalate the transport costs.

Ga ke a aga kwarantine kwa Kgomokgwana e ke tshwanetseng gore ke ka bo ke e agile five or 10 years ago, ga ke ise ke e dire le gompieno.

Golo moo escalates costs for a farmer yo o kwa North West.
Goromente yo o nang le boikarabelo o tshwanetse gore a amogele seemo seo, a bo a bona gore mme ke boikarabelo jwa me gore ke dire sengwe go tokafatsa seemo sa morui wa kgaolo ya North West District.

Ke sone se Motion o, o se buang gore improve the situation ya farmer wa North West District and make it equivalent to morui yo mongwe mo dikgaolong tse dingwe mo Botswana.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR HIKUAMA (NGAMI): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Nte le nna ke simolole, ke amogele mogopolo wa ga Honourable Kekgonegile, ke supe fa e le Motion o o lebaneng, e bile re tshwanetse ra o atla rotlhe go sa kgathalesege gore o wa phathi e e busang kana wa phathi efe fela ka gore o bua ka botshelo jwa Motswana, o bua ka matshelo a lefatshe la rona la Botswana, o bua ka itsholelo ya lefatshe la Botswana.
Se re tshwanetseng go se tlhaloganya batho betsho, ke gore North West or Ngamiland as a district jaaka Motlotlegi Rre Kapinga a bua, e mo seemong se se sa e bayang sentle fa go tla mo thuong ya dikgomo ka mabaka a mantsi a a a beileng pele le a ke tlaa a bayang pele gompieno.

Se sengwe se se okeditseng bokete jwa go rua kwa Ngamiland, ke Foot and Mouth Disease (FMD).
Tourism ka bo yone, e lefatshe ka bophara la Botswana, le ipelafatsang ka yone gore e bile is the second income 21 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER SUPPLEMENTING NORTH WEST DISTRICT CATTLE FARMERS WHO SELL THEIR CATTLE TO BOTSWANA MEAT COMMISSION (BMC)Motion (Resumed Debate) generator or contributor to the Gross Domestic Product (GDP), mme re ba tlhokomeletse diphologolo, tse di dirang thuo go nna bokete.
Selo se re tshwanetse ra se lemoga gore tourism which we host at our expenses is helping this country a lot.

Rre Moatlhodi o tshwanetse a lemoge selo seo.

Ke rona fela kgaolo e e leng gore fa diphologolo di dule kwa Ngamiland, fa gongwe e kgabola fela mo Gantsi, go tlaa twe e busetseng kwa e tshwanetseng go nna teng.
O a bo o raya kae, o raya kwa Ngamiland, mme ga re ke re re di tlogeleng di nne koo ka gore le gone ke Botswana, because we know gore bale ba contribute eng mo economy le rona re contribute eng mo economy.

Jaanong mowa wa lefufa o o ratiwang go buiwa ke Rre Moatlhodi fa re bua ka Motions, o tshwanetse gore a o ntshe, e bile a supe fa e le Mokeresete, o tlhola a ipoka.

A ntshe mowa wa lefufa, a lebelele lefatshe la Botswana e le lefatshe la rona rotlhe, ke sone se se ka isang lefatshe le kwa pele.
Ke supe jaana Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, gore it is a fact that FMD had a great economic impact on the livelihoods of livestock farmers ba Ngamiland.

Gompieno jaana ga re kgone to access markets which are accessed by ba bangwe mo lefatsheng la Botswana, which is a disadvantage.

It is part of the structural disadvantage e e neng e buiwa ke Honourable Kapinga, selo se re tshwanetse ra se tlhaloganya.
Fa re tshwantshanya dikgaolo, re di tshwantshanye, re na le mabaka mo megopolong ya rona le mo dikakanyong tsa rona, e seng go bua fela ka gore o na le tshwanelo ya go bua o Mopalamente.

Re tshwanetse go lebelela dilo tse ka mowa o o bulegileng, e bile re itse gore re batla go thusa lefatshe la Botswana.

Fa re thusa barui ba Ngamiland go ba imolola mo manokonokong a ditlhwatlhwa tse di tlisiwang ke bokete jo, re ba thusa go ba imolola lehuma, gore e se ka ya tlhola e nna mokgweleo wa Puso.
Kgantele fa dilo tse di ka tswelela, batho ba felela ba dump le thuo, e bo e nna mokgweleo wa Puso.

Dilo tse di tshwanetse re di ele tlhoko, re se ka ra bua fela e kete ga re itse se re se buang.

Re bue re itse gore once these people lose confidence and trust in farming, they are going to be a burden to the Government, and the Government is going to bleed a lot of money sustaining them.

Dilo tse re tshwanetse re di lebe ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.
Se se buiwang ke Mopalamente wa Maun Botlhaba ke gore, dikwarantini di turu.

Jaaka ba setse ba buile ba ba buileng fa pele, imagine morui a ruetse kwa Xaxa kana Xangwa, a isa dikgomo tsa gagwe kwa Makalamadi.

Transport cost ka bo yone fela, e feta P800 per head.

Kgomo ya teng ga gotwe e bone madi, ke P3000.

Ke raya madi otlhe a e a boneng.


O duela transport ka one, o duela ba ba setseng ba tlhokometse dikgomo kwa kwarantining, o ba rekela dijo, ka fa go na le ba ba setseng ba le kwa morakeng ba a tshwanetseng a ba tlhokomele.

These people need to be sponsored by madi a. Jaanong se mogopolo o o se buang ke se, re sekaseke se re ka se dirang go fokotsa manokonoko a ditlhwatlhwa le bokete jwa go rua le go rekisa dikgomo kwa Ngamiland.
Bona, go na le 4 per cent wa Government levy le Value Added Tax (VAT) tse di ntshiwang, all these things ke tse re ka di lebelelang gore a mme re ka se ke re ntshe beef levy mo baruing ba Ngami.

It will be something, go tlaabo go sa tshwane.

E seng gore re re nnyaa, ba tshwana fela le bone, o ne o itse gore o ruela eng, e kete o a mo punish kana o a mo fufegela jaaka Rre Moatlhodi a batla go supa.

Ke ne ke reeditse Tona sentle a bua ka markets tsa Mozambique le Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC).
Tona o tshwanetse gore ba nne boammaaruri, ke gone batho ba ka ba tshephang.

Go ne go arabiwa mo Palamenteng Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, Tona a araba gore market wa Mozambique has collapsed ka mabaka a ba a itseng.

Jaanong go tlhola o ntse o bolelela batho gore market wa Mozambique o teng, mme e le wena o neng o araba mo Palamenteng, gore market o nnile le dikgwetlho tsa one, ba bo ba o emisa, ga go supe Puso e e na le boikarabelo… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa tlhaloso.
MR HIKUAMA: …market wa DRC, go a itsiwe gore it is not reliable.

O atle o tseye o bo o ema gongwe ngwaga kana dikgwedi, go sena se se yang kwa DRC.

Jaanong ga se dilo tse a tshwanetseng a di bapise le dikgang tse fa re bua ka dikgang tse di boketekete tse.

Se sengwe se se neng se buiwa ke Mopalamente yo mongwe o supile gore, barui ba tshwanetse go lemoga gore ga ba a tshwanela go tlhokomelelwa sengwe le sengwe.
Barui ba Ngamiland ga ba tlhokomelelwe sengwe le sengwe, e bile ga ba a bolo go itlhokomelela leruo la bone.

Se re se kopang fela ke gore, a Puso jaaka e atle e lebelele, le mo makalaneng a a farologaneng, go imolola bokete jwa dilo mo go bone, le bone ba tshwana fela le bagwebi botlhe le Batswana botlhe, ba tshwanetse gore ba sekasekelwe se se ka ba thusang.

Bothata jwa bone ke eng, molato wa bone ke eng?


Go sekasekelwa jaaka batho ba re atleng re utlwe gotwe dikgwebo tsa go 22 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER SUPPLEMENTING NORTH WEST DISTRICT CATTLE FARMERS WHO SELL THEIR CATTLE TO BOTSWANA MEAT COMMISSION (BMC)Motion (Resumed Debate) nna jaana di sekasekelwa jaana, di thusiwa jaana.

Fa o thusa Ngamiland, bothata jwa teng ke eng?


A jaanong ke bone ba ba fetogang go nna dependent mo Pusong go gaisa sectors tsotlhe tse di thusiwang, tse re atleng re di utlwe di buiwa fa?

DR DIKOLOTI: Clarification.

Motlotlegi Hikuama, ga ke itse gore a o nkutlwile ka tsa ga morakile, ke leka gore ke le reye ke re le kgobokane le le Mapalamente a kwa Ngamiland, le re thuse gore re tokafatse dikgang tsa thuo kwa Ngamiland, ka gore mmaraka wa Mozambique o tlhokana thata le weaners.
Fa re ka tswelela re batla go rekisa dikgomo kana re rua dikgomo go fitlhelela di nna dinaka ditona, di bo di thunya ditlhako, mmaraka oo ga o batle dikgomo tse di ntseng jalo.

Fa re ka tshwaraganela thulaganyo e rotlhe e, o tlaa bona mmaraka o o tlaa kgona gore re o fenye, batho ba kwa Ngamiland ba tlaa kgona gore ba nne le letseno le le botoka jaaka kwa dikgaolong tse dingwe.

O tlaa lemoga gore re le Puso we are moving fast go thusa batho to move towards weaner production.

Thank you sir.
Thank you sir.

MR HIKUAMA: Ke a leboga Tona.

Mma ke tswelele jaana Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ka nako e setse e tsamaile.

Se se buiwang ke gore, a Puso e thuse batho ba Ngamiland go ba imolola mo botlhokong jwa dikwarantini.

Bakaulengwe ba setse ba supile ka bokete jo bo tshelwang ke barui ba Ngamiland.

Re a itse, jaaka ke setse ke buile kwa ntlheng, gompieno diphologolo jaaka ditlou di senya dipolase, didiba le sengwe le sengwe sa bone.
Dilo tse warrant gore Puso e bone gore e ka thusa jang.

Fa ke wela Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, re kope le BMC le Lephata la Temothuo la ga Rre Dikoloti, gore le se ka la fokotsa rates tsa dikgomo jaaka ba setse ba supile gore ba tlaa reka dikgomo ka P28.00, ba se ka ba di diga ka ba ne ba re fa March a wela, ba tlaabo ba boela kwa prices tse di normal.

Kopo ke gore, a P28.00 yo be retained kana a okediwe go ya kwa pele, e se ka ya ema ka March.

Ke a leboga.

DR DIKOLOTI: Clarification.


Kana fa o bua ka kgang ya tshenyo ya diphologolo tsa naga, a ga o akanye gore ke tse ...(Interruptions)... re ka tla ra e batlela lebaka la yone gore re tle re e buise, ya gore re ka nyalanya jang thuo le diphologolo tsa naga?

MR HIKUAMA: Se ke se buang ke gore Kgaolo ya Ngamiland fa re batla gore go nne special dispensation, e amiwa ke dilo tseo, tse di re tlhokometseng ba rotlhe, ke sone se ke se buang.
Re tshwanetse gore re gadime kwa go yone, re itse gore e na le dikgwetlho tse di ntseng jalo.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

MR THIITE (GHANZI NORTH): Thank you Mr Speaker, go mpha tshono go akgela mo Motion o. Ke batla go supa gore ka fa ke itseng seemo sa leruo sa Lefatshe la Botswana, ke batla gore gongwe ke dumalane le the principle ya Motion, mme go nne le dilo dingwe tse ke ka di tlhalosa fa ke bonang gore Motion o gongwe o ka nna le tshekatsheko ya gore gongwe motlotlegi a o lebe ka go ka o fetola kana ka fa a o beileng ka teng.
Ke dumalana le one ka principles tse di leng teng fa re lebeletse seemo sa leruo la dikgomo mo Lefatsheng la Botswana.

Sa ntlha fela gongwe tla ke tlhalose gore, re supile gore mo dingwageng tse 10 to 15, dipalo tsa dikgomo tsa lefatshe la Botswana have declined from about 3 million to around 1.5 million.

Mo bosheng gape go ne go lebega gape e kete dipalo tsa dikgomo di ntse di wela kwa tlase.

Seemo se re eletsang gore re se ka ra se bona se re diragalela kana se diragalela the beef industry.
Gongwe re tshwanetse ra leba pele thata dikgang tse di ntseng jalo.

Sa bobedi se ke batlang go se tshwaela ke gore, re a itse gore fa re leba gongwe dikgaolo, jaaka gongwe re ka tsaya Kgaolo ya Central, re a itse gore dipalo tsa dikgomo kwa go bone di dintsi, mme fa o lebelela gape selekanyo sa dipalo tsa dikgomo tsa Ngami, o kare go latela dipalo tsa dikgomo tsa Ngami ka bontsi jwa dipalo tsa dikgomo mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
Seemo se sa gore dipalo tsa dikgomo di a decline mo lefatsheng la Botswana, re tshwanetse ra itse gore kana re tsentse dipalo tsa dikgomo tsa Ngami mo go tsone.

Ke batla go lemoga gape gore, mo dingwageng tse di fetileng fa re ntse re gola, re ntse re itse barui ba Ngami e le bangwe barui ba le bone ba ruang leruo le le nang le boleng jo bo rileng, ntswa go ne go na le Foot and Mouth Disease (FMD).

Le dikgomo tse di neng tsa restock kwa Ngami, bontsi jwa tsone di ne di tswa kwa kgaolong ya Ghanzi.
Ba ne ba fiwa breeds tse di nang le boleng jo bo kwa godimo.

Fa o ka tsena mo kgaolong ya Ngami mo nakong ya gompieno, boleng jwa leruo in terms of breed, bo setse bo ile kwa tlasetlase.

Fa ke re ke dumalana le principle e, go a supa gore sengwe se tshwanetse sa dirwa ka re tswelela re latlhegelwa ke the beef industry.

Ke batla re e lebe gape in terms of national herd and resuscitating the beef industry.

Re e lebelele in that bigger scope, re sa itebaganye le Ngami.
Re bone gore ra reng ka seemo sa the beef industry mo lefatsheng 23 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER SUPPLEMENTING NORTH WEST DISTRICT CATTLE FARMERS WHO SELL THEIR CATTLE TO BOTSWANA MEAT COMMISSION (BMC)Motion (Resumed Debate) la Botswana?

Ke sone se ke dumelang gore go na le sengwe se se ka dirwang.

Motion ka fa o beilweng ka teng, ke ka rotloetsa mokaulengwe gore a o lebe gape.
A bone gore o itebaganye le tse a ntseng a di nankola, tse di babalelang barui gore nne le puisanyo go ya kwa pele.

Mokaulengwe o bua ka BMC e e nang le structural problems.

Ke lekalana la Puso le e leng gore it is a burden to Government.

Ga ke ise ke utlwe pego e ntšha ya Ministry of Agriculture gore motlhami wa Motion fa a re BMC, a o ka re tlhomamisetsa ka seemo sa yone?

A e setse e le mo seemong se e leng gore e na le ditsetlana tsa gore e thuse mo dikwarantining?
O ka tlhomamisa gore BMC e na le bokgoni joo.

Go na le gore re lebe kgang e, ka tsela e nngwe gape ya go bona gore re dira re reng because in the larger scheme of things, the beef industry is facing a lot of challenges.

Re ka se ke re itebatse gore e mo diemong tse re tshwanetseng re bone gore re thusa jang.

Se sengwe, re a itse gore mo lefatsheng la Botswana fa re bua ka informal sector, re na le barui ba dikgomo ba ba mo go yone.

Re tshwanetse ra rotloetsa informal sector.


Re tshwanetse ra lebelela barui ba Ngami gore ba kae, ba mo seemong se se ntseng jang?

Re ba rotloetsa jang ka re a itse gore study se supile gore informal sector mo lefatsheng ka kakaretso, e ipeile kwa pele mo go direng mebereko?

Re se ka ra lebala gore barui ke batsayakarolo mo go direng mebereko mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Ke sone se ke supang gore Motion o, ke eletsa gore re ka o leba ka tsela e sele.
Let us not discourage it because o botlhokwa fa go tla mo seemong sa leruo mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Ke batla go supa gape gore re na le a product kwa BMC e e budiwang gotwe Ecco.

This product exists ka gore it is adding to the number of products tse lefatshe la Botswana le di dirang.

E dirwa ka nama.

Re tshwanetse ra hema manokonoko le dikgwetlho tse ba the beef industry ba lebaganeng le tsone dikgaolo ka go farologana.
Ra bona gore seemo sa leruo kwa kgaolong ya Ghanzi se ntse jang, manonokoko a sone ke eng?

Re lebelela seemo sa leruo mo Gaborone, Mogoditshane le Tlokweng gore se ntse jang.

Fa re ka se ke re itebaganye le dilo tse, ra tla ka economic policies tse di ka lebelelang dikgaolo ka go farologana, ra bona gore re thusa jang barui, re ya go palelwa ke go emeletsa mohama wa itsholelo wa the beef industry.
Ke eletsa gore motlhami wa Motion fa go tlhokafala, a bone gore a o ka se ke a engage le ba Farmers Association.

Ba mo gakolole ka se se ka dirwang, se se maleba.

Motion o a itlhalosa, e bile o na le tse re ka lebang mo go tsone, di re thusa in a greater scale and in the whole country.

Re bone go na le maduo le tokafatso ya seemo sa leruo mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
Re tswelela re ipaya kwa pele re le lefatshe la Botswana in the region jaaka re itse gore mafatshe a mararo; ke Namibia, Botswana le South Africa.

Because of organic status, ka fa re tsayang ka teng nama ya rona, re santse re dumela gore lefatshe la Botswana le ipeile kwa pele mo region.

Ke dumela gore go botlhokwa, e bile go maleba gore re ka dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang gore Motion o, o nne teng ka tsela e e ka sologelang Batswana le lefatshe la Botswana mosola.
Jaaka ke ne ke bua ka Ecco, it is one of the products tse e leng gore we export tsa lefatshe la Botswana.

Products tsa rona di se ka tsa ya kwa tlase… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation.

MR THIITE: Ya bofelo mongwame pele fa ke ka go neela elucidation ya gago.

Barui ba a supa gore ba kokonelwa ke makgetho.


Fa re bua ka barui ba kwa Ghanzi, re a itse gore mo lefatsheng Botswana, dikgomo tsa bone ba nna ba bona prices tse di botoka ka lebaka la gore breed jwa bone bo rileng, di nonofile le ka fa ba ruang ka teng favours them.

O bo o ipotsa gore fa go lela barui ba kgaolo ya Ghanzi ka makgetho a leruo, ba Ngami ra reng ka bone?

A mong wa Motion o ka se ke a nne fa fatshe a bone gore a tle ka one ka tsela e e ka re sologelang molemo and meet the intended purpose.
Mma ke eme foo.

MR HIKUAMA: On a point of elucidation.

Nnyaa mme o e tshwere sentle fela thata Mopalamente wa Ghanzi Bokone.

Fa o ne o sa itewe ke letswalo la gore o ka ya go kobiwa mo phathing le go kgarametswa… Ke sone se o e tlang o bua o sokama gore o ka tla ka tsela e sele, mme o o tlhalogantse sentle.

Motion was informed by consultation ya Farmers Associations.
We met, we sat down with them, they raised their issues gore ba na le bothata jo bo ntseng jaana, a mme re ka se ke re kope Puso gore e ba sekasekele.

Ke sone se o se buang.

Ke sone se ke reng ke Motion fela o o siameng jaaka o setse o o utlwile le wena, o dumalana le one ka principle.

Ke dumela gore batho botlhe le Rre Moatlhodi ba ntsha mowa o o maswe wa letlhoo le wa seDomkrag, ba ka bo ba bona jaaka o bona.
Jaanong mathata ka gore fa motho a tsamaile ka tsela e a tsamaileng ka yone, o fapaana ka sengwe le sengwe fela.

Ke a leboga.

MR THIITE: Thank you Honourable Hikuama.

Thank you Honourable Speaker.

Ke dumalana le Motion ka principle mme motlhami wa Motion a leke go o baakanya gore o goroge.

I thank you Mr Speaker.


24 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER SUPPLEMENTING NORTH WEST DISTRICT CATTLE FARMERS WHO SELL THEIR CATTLE TO BOTSWANA MEAT COMMISSION (BMC)Motion (Resumed Debate) MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR MOLAO): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Mma le nna le latlhele la mmotlana, kwa bofelelong ke sa dumalane le Tshutiso.

Re tshwanetse ra tlhaloganya gore agriculture ka bo yone mo mafatsheng ka go farologana, e tshela ka subsidies.
Seo re tshwanetse ra se tlhaloganya as a universal understanding.

Goromente o na le ka a ka felelang teng in terms of provision of subsidies, go bo go raya gore rona barui le balemi, re ikemele ka dinao.

Mr Speaker, kgaolo nngwe le nngwe mo lefatsheng le, e na le its own peculiar circumstances tse di tlhokang various subsidies to be extended kwa bathong fa Goromente a ne a kgona.
Sekai; fa o ya kwa dikgaolong tsa Kgalagadi le some areas around Ghanzi, Kweneng West, go epa sediba fela you have to go beyond 200 metres up to 300 metres go bona metsi.

Akanya morui yoo gore fa a tshwantshanngwa le yo o kwa lefelong le o tsamayang 20 metres a bo o tshwara metsi le gone a mantsi, yo o kgona jang go epa sediba sa 300 metres a bo a se gokela.

These are circumstances di teng, tse e leng gore Goromente fa a ne a kgona, will subsidise gongwe le gongwe.
Let us come back to the North West, re tshwanetse ra tlhaloganya gore we know the peculiar circumstances tsa kgaolo ya North West tsa FMD, mme ga se yone kgaolo fela e e nang le peculiar circumstances.

Gape le fa re bua, ga re a tshwanela go bua as if ga gona maiteko a Goromente a a dirang in the North West.

Selo sa ntlha re a itse gore Goromente o a kenta kwa North West and o spend about P31 million every year a kentela FMD, a tlhokomela dikgomo tsa Ngamiland.
Goromente o kentela malwetse a bo Kwatsi le Serotswana mahala kwa Ngamiland.

O tlhokomela le kgofa e gotweng ya bo Lethobo, o a tsamaya go direla barui ba Ngamiland mahala.

Le kgofa e thamaga tota, the borne tick e e leng gore ga e kwa Ngamiland fela, e le mo mafelong a mangwe mme fa o ya kwa teng, Goromente o a spend a rekela barui tipi go ya go ba tipela kgofa e e thamaga.

Dilo tse ga di diragale kwa mafelong a mangwe.

Goromente has kept Maun BMC running mme e sa dire dipoelo.
P20 million every year is being spent go lebilwe the peculiar circumstances tsa batho ba Ngamiland gore okay, re tlaa nna re tsaya madi kwa mafelong a mangwe re a isa gore BMC e bereke, barui ba Ngamiland ba kgone go rekisa dikgomo tsa bone.

Take example ka the collapse ya BMC ya Francistown, gore batho ba ntse ba benefit mo go yone.
Now they have circumstances tse e leng gore fa ba batla go tlisa dikgomo tsa bone kwa Lobatse, the transport costs go di tsaya kwa ba tla Lobatse, now if they come around and say, “subsidies tse le ntseng le thusa ba Ngamiland ke tse le tse ba di tabulate, le rona mme BMC ya rona, you have sustained it ka subsidies at some point, Goromente then had to say golo moo ga go ka ke ga nna sustainable, let us close this BMC ya Francistown, now subsidise us for transport costs, go tsaya dikgomo tse di ntseng di isiwa BMC ya Francistown re di ise Lobatse.” It would be another call and they would not be unreasonable to say, “subsidise transport costs rona ba re ntseng re depend mo BMC ya Francistown gore re ise dikgomo tsa rona kwa Lobatse.” Then Goromente o ya go felela fa kae?
O ya go kgona to subsidise all these circumstances to what extent?

Ke yone kgang tota e re e buang fa.

We are not saying baagi ba Ngamiland ga ba na matlhoko a re nang le one mme Goromente is already expending so much in terms of extending subsidies to Ngamiland farmers more than any other place you can think of mo Botswana.

Of course yes, because go na le FMD mme ga se yone fela e amiwang ke FMD.
Kgaolo ya Bobirwa e ne ya amiwa ke FMD, ya amiwa ke leuba jaaka Rre Moatlhodi a ne a bua, batho ba Bobirwa ba a itse.

Subsidy ya bone e ka nna kana ka eng?

Mauba a tlhola a nna teng, Goromente o a leka to subsidise ka dijo tsa dikgomo le melemo fa go kgonegang teng, but it is to an extent because you cannot subsidise everything.

Go na le fa o tlaa felelang teng.

Jaanong e re le fa re bua batho betsho re batla subsidies one after the other, let us acknowledge what Government has done so far.
Ke kgaolo ya Ngamiland fela e National Development Bank (NDB) e dirileng lenaneo le le itebagantseng le Ngamiland fela go ya go leka go thusa batho ba koo.

It was never extended to other areas of Botswana tse di nang le dikgwetlho le tsone.

E ntse e le go lebelela Ngamiland as a peculiar area, jaanong re tshwanetse go itse gore go na le fa Goromente a ka dirang teng a bo a felela teng.
Rotlhe Batswana ka kakaretso, le fa o ka tsamaya o ya kwa dipolaseng tsa bo Western Sandveld kwa bo Kaka kwa go nang le dipolase, le ditsela ga ba na tsone.

Go tsaya dikgomo fela ba di isa BMC, it is a huge amount of cost.

Le fa o ka tsamaya o ya gone kwa bo Gantsi kwa mo Motsamai tota, morui fela yo o mo seterateng e se mohumi, dikgomo tsa gagwe gore di ye Lobatse, go bokete jang mo go bone.
Ke dilo tse e reng fa re tshwanetse go di lebelela re bo re lebelela holistically gore gone mme Goromente o ka subsidise a ya go ema fa kae, nna ke le morui ka bonna ke tshwanetse gore ke tseye fa kae ke ye kae, re sa lebelela kgaolo e le nngwefela.
25 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER SUPPLEMENTING NORTH WEST DISTRICT CATTLE FARMERS WHO SELL THEIR CATTLE TO BOTSWANA MEAT COMMISSION (BMC)Motion (Resumed Debate) Ke raya gore dilo tse ke batla gore re di bue re tlhaloganya gore ga se gore Goromente kana seDomkrag se tlhoile Ngamiland.

Le rona kwa North ba BMC ya Francistown, we cannot turn around and say seDomkrag se tlhoile barui who benefited from the Francistown BMC, but issue was the sustainability.
Gompieno re tshwanetse re itse gore P20 million yo o yang kwa Maun BMC ngwaga le ngwaga, o tsewa golo gongwe, mo Batswaneng ba bangwe ba e leng gore le bone ga ba bone the benefit ya subsidy e. E isiwa kwa Ngamiland go lebilwe circumstances tsa bone.

Jaanong fa e le gore letsatsi le letsatsi we want a subsidy after another, let us look holistically gore the whole country e ntse jang to the extent ya gore subsidies tsa temothuo fela ka kakaretso di ntse jang mo go yone.
Ke raya gore it is known gore gompieno kwarantini ya Kgomokgwana is under maintenance as we speak, ga se gore go tlogetswe fela.

Ba Agriculture ba a supa gore they are looking gore by end of May ba bo ba feditse go e maintain gore barui ba ba gautshwane le yone ba tsenye dikgomo teng.

Then when you come here and speak as if ga go na sepe se se dirwang, it is really disingenuous gore re bo re bua ka tsela e re buang ka yone mme re ntse re itse what Government is already doing for Ngamiland.
Re itse gore kwarantini ya Kgomokgwana is under maintenance as we speak gore e tle e atametse batho ditirelo ba se ka ba nna ba ya gongwe kgakala kwa Makalamabedi ba tswa gone kwa dikgaolong tse di kwa godimo tsa Okavango.

Ke selo se e leng gore se teng se a dirwa mme fa re nna fa re bo re se itatola re bua as if ga gona se se dirwang, it is really… MR KAPINGA: Procedure.
Ke ne ke re ke botse Honourable Minister gore maintenance e o buang ka yone, o e tsaya kae e o buang fa pele ga Palamente gore e a dirwa?

Ga gona sepe se se dirwang.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: That is not procedure.

MR SPEAKER: Totally it is not procedure.

Continue Honourable Minister.

MR MOLAO: Nna ke ne ke re gongwe o a tlhaloganya gore procedure go tewa eng, kana fa motho a sa batle go bua boammaaruri o dira fela jaana… MR KAPINGA: Ehe, go procedural go bua selo se se false mo Palamenteng?
MR MOLAO: Information is available… MR KAPINGA: Is it procedural to tell false things in Parliament?

MR MOLAO: A ko o iketle Kapinga, o buile ke sa go tsena… MR KAPINGA: Ka re a go procedural go bua maaka mo Palamenteng?

MR MOLAO: O buile maaka a gago ke sa go tsene ganong.

Fa e le gore ke bua maaka a me, ntlogele ke a bue o sa ntsene ganong.

Ga o na discipline ke eng o ne o le lepodise?

Kgang e ke e buang ke yone ya gore… MR KAPINGA: A maaka a a letlelelwa mo Palamenteng Mr Speaker?
MR MOLAO: Go and find information ka gore fa le bolelelwa boammaaruri ka ga le batle batho ba itse boammaaruri, le simolola go omana and disrupt Palamente ka gore ga le batle batho ba itse boammaaruri jo bo diragalang on the ground.

Sa lona ke go batla go tsietsa batho fela go latlha setšhaba, mme dilo tse ke dilo tse e leng gore di a diragala.
I can state with authority gore ke dilo tse e leng gore di a diragala jaanong ga le batle di itsiwe ke setšhaba, ke one mathata a lona… ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MR MOLEBATSI): Elucidation.

Ee, rra e tsweletse e a diragala gompieno… MR SPEAKER: Your time is up!

MR NKAWANA (SELEBI PHIKWE EAST): Mma ke go leboge Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke ne ke re le nna ke akgele mo kgannyeng e ke eme mokaulengwe Honourable Kekgonegile nokeng.
Ke bo ke tlatse mogopolo wa gagwe gore ke dumalana le ene ka gore balemi-barui ba kgaolo yone e re buang ka yone ya Ngamiland yotlhe ka kakaretso, e aperwe ke mathata a a ngomolang pelo.

Ga se sephiri, ke boammaaruri jo bo itsiweng ke Motswana mongwe le mongwe gore kgomo ke botshelo, ke yone banka ya Motswana, ke yone dijo tsa Motswana.

Re a bona go a diragala mo lefatsheng la Botswana gore fa go na le mathata a tshwanang le a fa gongwe Puso e tsaya tsela e sele.
Ke re, ka ke batla go mo ema nokeng ke supe jaana gore, batho ba kgaolo ya Ngamiland ba tswa kgakala ba kgokgontshiwa ke manokonoko a leruo la bone.

Ke tseye kgang ya ntlha e le bolwetse jole jwa maloba jo bo neng jwa dira gore dikgomo tsa bone di bolawe.

Fa re neng re solofetse dithuso teng, ra bo re bona Puso e tla e rwele ditonki, e ba neela ditonki gotwe ke drought relief.
Le gompieno le fa o ka tsamaya mo kgaolong eo ditonki di setse di tsamaela go feta dikgomo mo kgaolong eo, mme gatwe go ne go thusiwa Batswana.

26 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER SUPPLEMENTING NORTH WEST DISTRICT CATTLE FARMERS WHO SELL THEIR CATTLE TO BOTSWANA MEAT COMMISSION (BMC)Motion (Resumed Debate) Mabaka a a ntseng jaana Mr Speaker ke mabaka a a supang fa Puso e sa kgatlhale thata ka matshelo a batho bao ka gore tonki ga e jewe.
Gape ga se mongwe le mongwe yo o golegang tonki gore a ye go lema, mme go bolailwe dikgomo tsa gagwe ka dipalopalo tse re di itseng….

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR NKAWANA: Ke tla go e neela.

Re bona… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Tswelela, o a bo a tlile go go ntsha mo setlhogong.

O a mo itse gakere.
O a mo itse gakere.

MR NKAWANA: Re bona Puso e le gore mo sebakeng sa gompieno fa go tshwanetse gore fa Batswana ba kopang teng gore re bone mmaraka wa ditonki, bogolo re rekise teng, ka gore ke tseo di tletse thata kwa Ngamiland le gone Puso e gana go thusa batho ba Ngamiland.

Mokaulengwe gompieno o kopa Puso gore re thuseng mo leruong la rona.

Re thuseng re aperwe ke mathata a a re fetileng, a re ka sekeng ra a kgona re le nosi.

A re fokoletsweng dilo dingwe.


A Puso e lebelele dilo dingwe tse e kareng fa e di dirile tsa fokotsa go imelwa ga barui ba Ngamiland mo leruong la bone.

Mma ke tsenye e nngwe ke e. Kana e ke tswang mo go yone e go ne e bile go na le tumelo ya gore fa o bona go isiwa ditonki jaana, ke gore Goromente o batla gore a fetole kgaolo e le yotlhe ya Ngamiland to a tourism reserve, gore leruo le tswe mo teng.

Eo e ne e le tumelo ya batho.


Le nna ke santse ke ka nna ka dumela jalo gore ga go ka ke ga bolawa dikgomo, and then be compensated ka ditonki.

Mr Speaker, re bona gape batho ba Ngamiland, kgaolo e go buiwang ka yone e, ba le mo mathateng a Foot and Mouth fela jaaka kgaolo ya Bobirwa.

Ke mathata a a imelang Motswana mongwe le mongwe yo o leng mo kgaolong eo.

Mathata a e leng gore Puso mo sebakeng sa gompieno ga e eme ka dinao go bona gore re ka thusa Batswana ba jang.
Go buiwa ka mebaraka ya dinama kwa mafatsheng a e leng gore tota ditlhwatlhwanyana tsa teng ke tse di ka sekeng di go ise gope fa o tshwantshanya ditlhwatlhwa tse mafelo a mangwe a di bonang, jaaka ba tlaabo ba isa kwa European Union.

Ke sa tswa go utlwa bomaitsaanape ba supa gore, mme kana not necessarily within the EU block, go na le mafatshe a mangwe a e leng gore ga a mo teng ga EU mme a le kwa Europe, ba na le keletso ya go ka reka nama ya Botswana.
E bile re a utlwa gore gatwe go na le molemo o re o dirang mo Botswana wa Foot and Mouth o e leng gore o purified, o o ka dirang gore mafatshe a ba kgone go reka nama ka tsone ditlhwatlhwa tse e kareng Motswana fa a gateletse kgomo ya gagwe go tswa kgakalakgakala koo, gone kwa bo Beetsha le Gudigwa jaaka honourable a ne a bua, a kgona go ya kwa lelwapeng a tshwere sengwe, a kgona go rekela bana ditlhako tsa sekole.

Mo gotlhe go a pala.


Go palela Puso fela gore go nne le dipuisanyo, go nne le gore go batliwe mebaraka ya tlhwatlhwa, e seng mmaraka o o tsogang letsatsi leno kamoso a bo o sule.

Re kile ra utlwa gape gore lefatshe le le tshwanang le China le lone le na le kgatlhego ya gore we can supply it ka nama.

Fa go ntse go balololwa mebaraka jaana lefatshe la China ga le yo mo teng, e bile ga go lebege Puso e tsaya matsapa ape gore e thuse mafelo a a tshwanang le one ao.
Kgaolo ya Bobirwa fa e le gore e tlhagogetswe ke Foot and Mouth, gore ka bone they do not mind Foot and Mouth ba ka kgona go bona thuse e e ntseng jalo.

Mr Speaker, marekisetso kana theko ya gone kwa bo EU koo ke madi fela a mantle thata.

Ke madi a re tlaabong re sa leba fela gore a tsene mo pateng ya morui, ke madi a le lefatshe la Botswana le ka robang sengwe, ka gore e bile ga re ka ke ra kokonelwa ke makgetho a go buiwang ka one.
Re tshwanetse ra itse gore kgomo fela ka boyone jaaka re sa tswa go bua ke selo se setona thata, ka go nne e kgona go isa bana sekoleng, e kgona go thusa mo manyalong le gongwe le gongwe fa e leng teng, e seng thuso ya golo mo go sa jeweng thata ke Batswana, e bile e ka seke e rekwe.

Mo e leng gore le fa o tla o nkopa tonki ke ka go e neeela mahala.

Tonki ke selo se e leng gore mongwe le mongwe fa a kopana le yone o ka e golega, e tlaa re letsatsi lengwe….
(inaudible)… Batswana segolobogolo ba ba mo mathateng a a tshwanang le one.

A re simololeng gape re lebeleleng gore, ka re batla go hema Foot and Mouth eo diterata tse re di buang tsa bo buffalo fence, go kganela malwetse ao, le tsone di tlhokomelwe ka tsela e e leng gore ga di na go thagoga gotwe, nnyaa buffalo re e bone e thagile.

therefore go raya gore bolwetse bo tolotse mo kgaolong e e leng gore ga re eletse gore e ka nna a bo e tsentse leruo la bone bolwetse joo.
Mr Speaker, mogopolo o o buiwang ke mokaulengwe, ee, re ka re re o leba ra re, mme kana le ba Bobirwa le Ghanzi o ba tshwanetse.

Kana gompieno mokaulengwe o tla ka mogopolo o o lebaganyeng le ba e leng gore mo sebakeng se mathata a bone le kokonelo ya bone ga e tshwane le ya ba bangwe.
Mathata a bone re tshwanetse ra tswa mo seemong sele se e leng gore fa go nna le 27 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER SUPPLEMENTING NORTH WEST DISTRICT CATTLE FARMERS WHO SELL THEIR CATTLE TO BOTSWANA MEAT COMMISSION (BMC)Motion (Resumed Debate) mathata gatwe one size fits all.
Nnyaa, mathata a a kwa Ngamiland ga a tshwane le a kwa Bobirwa, ka gore go sa tswa go supiwa ke ba ba setseng ba buile pele gore mesepele e meleele ya dikoloi, go duela dikoloi go isa dikgomo kwa dikwarantining gore di ye go goroga kwa Maun ke matsebetsebe a madi.

Moruakgomo fa a na le kgomo e le nngwefela fela o tswa mo teng a tshwere P200.00 re sa balele ditshenyegelo tsa gagwe, go palama go tswa kwa Shakawe, Beetsha le Kareng, a re o ya go tsaya cheque kwa BMC.
Ke gore fa a boela kwa lelwapeng o tla a sa tshola sepe.

Ga go tshwane le motho yo o ka fa Motopi ka fa Borolong ba maloba ba nna le Foot and Mouth, ga go tshwane.

Mafelo a teng ga a tshwane.

Go farologana ga madirelo le dikwarantini camps ga di tshwane.

Therefore, Puso e tshwanetse gore e tseye a deliberate decision ya go itebaganya le mathata a Ngamiland e le nosi.
Fa e le gore go tlaa tla go tla se sengwe, re re go na le mathata kwa Bokspits re tlaa lebagana le mathata a Bokspits, ka gore Bokspits is a different environment e e sa tshwaneng le a mangwe.

Mo Botswana ke gore jaaka o a tle o bone Dikoloti a re, o phakisa batho dipeo, a bo a re o phakisa le ba sand dunes gore ba ye go lema, ga di tshwane.

Ga re ka ke ra dirisa molemo o le mongwefela for malwetse a a sa tshwaneng.

Mr Speaker… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga o a ntebala mogolole.

MR NKAWANA: Oh!

Ke go lebetse.


Gatwe o batla go ntsha mo lenaneong.

Mma ke go itime go le gonnyennyane.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga ke go ntshe mo lenaneong gotlhelele.

Ga re ka ke ra tla go kgaoganngwa ke Keorapetse fa, nna le wena re tswa kgakala.

MR NKAWANA: Honourable Kekgonegile, o tlile ka mogopolo o montle o Puso e tshwanetse go o ema nokeng, e o sekaseke.
Fa e le gore ba na le fa ba eletsang where they can modify, mme bottom line e le gore… MR SPEAKER: Thank you very much Honourable Nkawana, your time is up!

MR NKAWANA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MR MOLEBATSI): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, ke re Motion o jaaka bakaulengwe ba sa tswa go bua, sa ntlha fela ke bue fela gore re se ka ra nna re kare re fa impression ya gore batho ba gone ka kwa North West District cattle farmers di latlheletswe Gongwe re gakolole gore go na le dingwe tse ba tleng ba di direlwe ke Puso, di lebagane bone fela jaaka Honourable Molao a ne a di supa.

Go ne go supiwa gore ba kile ba thusiwa ka madi a NDB, pledging their livestock.
Maloba re kile ra ba thusa ka manyena, fa a simolola ba ne ba thusiwa ba sa reke mme di dintsi tse re ka di supang.

Selo se sa gore e nne e kete ba latlheletswe, nnyaa ga go a nna jalo.

Re itse matshwenyego a bone, we understand their peculiar circumstances.

So jaanong ga gona gore gotwe e kete bone ba latlhaletswe, ga gona gope fa ba tsenang teng, ga re ba bone.

Gape re a tlhaloganya gore ga gona mo gotweng mathata a rarabololwa ka go tshwana.
Se ke lekang go se bua fa ke gore dikgaolo dingwe le dingwe ka go farologana ga tsone, di na le mathata a tsone.

Balemi kana barui ba na le mathata a bone a a farologaneng.

Gompieno kwa Bobirwa re na le mathata a dikgomo tse di tserweng di utswiwa di ya kwa mafatsheng a mangwe mme le bone re a itse gore ba setse ba tlile kwa go rona ba kopa thuso e e ntseng jang and all the like.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Bua ka kgomokgwana.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, o tla sentle jaanong.


MR MOLEBATSI: Ke tshwanetse ke bue gore go se ka ga fiwa impression ya gore re latlhile kana ga re reetse batho.

Re reetsa batho lefatshe le lotlhe ka bophara, re tlhaloganya gore ba tswa kgakala ba isa dikgomo tsa bone.

Ke dumela gore Motion o wa gagwe o bua ka gore go thusiwe ka transport costs ba tswa kwa bokgaleng, gongwe ba tswa kwa bo Gudigwa le Seronga ba ya kwa quarantine camps.

Ke distance re a itse.


Gongwe se re neng re ka se bua ke gone gore re le mo lephateng dilo tse ga se gore ga re di bone, re a di itse.

Re itse gore kgomo e rekwa ka tlhwatlhwa e kae, re itse le cost ya teng jaaka a setse a e buile and all these things.

Se ke neng ke ka se bua ke gore re leka go fokotsa manokonoko a. Nngwe ya dilo tse di dirang jalo ke tse Rre Motlotlegi Kapinga a di ganetsang gore ga re baakanye kwarantini jaaka a ne a bua gore ga a bone sepe, ga gona sepe se se diragalang.
Mma ke galaletse gore re simolotse go e baakanya rra ka August 2021, go tsweletse le gompieno.

Gongwe maloba fa o fetile ka bone o fitlhetse ba ne ba seyo kana ba tšhaisitse mme ba tsweletse.

Boammaaruri ke gore go tsweletswe e a baakanngwa.

Re na le casual labourers ba ba remang ditlhare koo, ba a baakanya.

Gongwe e tlaa re fa le sena go nna le re fa madi re tswelele, gongwe re go dira gore go nne bofefo.

Ke baakanye mafoko one ao motlotlegi gore go a baakanngwa jaaka ke bua jaana.
Ke se re se itseng re le lephata.

28 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER SUPPLEMENTING NORTH WEST DISTRICT CATTLE FARMERS WHO SELL THEIR CATTLE TO BOTSWANA MEAT COMMISSION (BMC)Motion (Resumed Debate) HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR MOLEBATSI: Ke sone se ke reng ke se gatelele gore ka gone ga gona madi, ga gona gore re ka le a neela, ga se gore ga re bone matshwenyego a lona.
Le jaaka farmers tse dingwe jaaka gongwe tse di kwa go rona kwa bo Zone 7, go na le matshwenyego a mantsi, re a a bona mme fela... HONOURABLE Honourable Molebatsi.

MEMBER: Clarification MR MOLEBATSI: Clarification Honourable Vice President (VP).

MR SPEAKER: I thought it was Hikuama.

Honourable Hikuama.

MR HIKUAMA: Point of clarification.

Ke a leboga Honourable Minister.


Ke ne ke re o e tlhatswe sentle ka gore le maloba le ne la supa gore le baakanya kwarantini ya kwa Nokaneng gore batho ba tle ba tsenye dikgomo mo teng.

Fa e sena go fela jaanong, le gana batho ba tsenya dikgomo mo teng, le bua mabaka a.

A ga se gore gongwe le ya go dira jalo gape le e baakanyetsa di sele, jaaka gompieno le gana jaana gore batho ba tsenye dikgomo mo go yone?

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister.


MR MOLEBATSI: Karabo ya me e ne e le gore the fact remains gore go a baakanngwa.

Kana ke ne ke batla go baakanya mafoko a gotweng ga gona sepe se se dirwang; ga a na boammaarui, go a baakanngwa, re sale re simolotse.

Potso e ke neng ke e boditswe maloba, ke ne ke e araba ka di 29 tsa ga November, the same question mme go ntse go ntse jalo.

Gore go tswa fa go dirisanngwa jang, gongwe ke another question e re ka e sekasekang.
Ke tlile go nna mokhutshwane gore manokonoko a ke neng ke a bua, segolobogolo a transport, re leka go fokotsa gore go se ka ga iwa kgakala kwa bo Makalamabedi, go iwe kwa dikwarantining go simolola ka yone ya Kgomokgwana.

Ga se gore ga gona sepesepe se re sa se direng, gape ga se gore ga re lemoge manokonoko one a. Ke jaaka o bona e le gore re tsosolosa le tsone dikwarantini tse re ntseng re di tswetse gore re fokotse sekgele.
Solution tota e re dumelang gore e ka nna teng, e ka nna go tsosolosa the beef industry kwa North West gore e tie, go na le gore dikgomo di ye kwa dikwarantining tse di kwa kgakala.

Ke se re se buisanyang le rona fa re le lephata gore re buisanye le maphata a mangwe, segolobogolo la ga Rre Kgafela gore gongwe re dire Meat Processing Industry e tona gone ka kwa kgaolong ya gago.
Dikgomo di bolawe gaufi, go nne le a cannery; can manufacturing plant gongwe e fetang e e kwa Lobatse gone mo kgaolong eo, go na le gore re bo re tsamaisa dikgomo re di isa kgakala.

Ke sone selo se re se akantseng, re tsamaela kwa teng gore re se dire.

Gongwe o a itse gore kana nama e jewang mo dikoleng, the stewed beef e e jewang mo Botswana le mo region, ke dikgomo tse di tlhabiwang kwa Maun.
Kana dilo tse ke madi fela a mantsi, go na le gore fela re fokotse go tsamaya le gore dikgomo di tle di tlhabiwe gore nama ya lona e ye kwa dimmarakeng tse di kwa kgakalakgala, go ka dirwa gone gore... Ke gore fa Motion wa gago o ne o ganelela gone koo gore re tokafatse the beef industry mo kgaolong ya gago, ke gone mo gongwe go ka solegelang balemi thata go gaisa le gore re bo re lwa le gore Goromente o ka batla madi gore a thuse to subsidise them kana ba thusiwe ka madi mo go pegeng le mo go diseng dikgomo di le kwa kwarantining.
Kana transportation cost e simolola go tswa kwa lesakeng, go di alola fela gore o di tsenye kwa lesakeng le go di tsenya mo terakeng.

Ke tsone costs tse le rona re di tshabang, tota ga re batle go tswelela ka tsone.

The long term solution ke gore a re direng a processing gone koo mo kgaolong ya gago, go na le gore di bo di tsamaya di ya bokgakala jo bo kalo.

The logistics costs re a itse gore di kwa godimo thatathata, di tsaya profits le margins tsa lona.
Jaanong ke sone se re se buang gore ga se gore re ntse fela, re dira sengwe gompieno.

Ka ga re na one madi a re sa itseng gore re ka a tsaya kae, kana tota gongwe fa re na le one fela jaaka re tle re thuse other farmers ka matshwenyego a bone lefatshe ka bophara, fela jaaka re kile ra le thusa before, ga ke dumele gore Goromente o ka gana go thusa fa a ne a ka kgona gore o ka thusa.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.


MR MOLEBATSI: Reatile, kana ga ke itse... mantswe a lona a tshwana fela... Ke batla gore ke gatelele se ke re kana tota solution ya problem e o batlang go e rarabolola Honourable Kekgonegile ya gore go thusiwe batho go duelelwa gore go iwe kwa dikwarantining, tota ga se yone solution.

MR REATILE: Point of clarification.

Nnyaa ke nna, ga o lopele sepe gompieno.

Tla ke go leboge Motlotlegi Tona.


Kgang e e leng teng fa ke ya gore ke utlwa o re gongwe re thuse ka gore re ka dira beef processing plant 29 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER SUPPLEMENTING NORTH WEST DISTRICT CATTLE FARMERS WHO SELL THEIR CATTLE TO BOTSWANA MEAT COMMISSION (BMC)Motion (Resumed Debate) ka kwa Ngami.
A mme ga o bone go le botoka motlotlegi gore re solofetse mo letsatsing la gompieno, o bo o solofetsa Mopalamente gore ke eme ka dinao go batlela dikgomo tsa Ngami market kwa European Union (EU) ka gore go na le kgang e e leng gore dikgomo tsa Brazil tse di tshwanang le tsa kwa Ngami, nama ya teng e tsena kwa EU.

E le tse e leng gore it is a purified vaccine, jaanong di bo di kgona gore di tsene kwa Europe.
Ke eng tse tsa rona ka gore le tsone di dikentiwa ka purified, di sa kgone gore jaanong o di tsomele market wa EU fela jaaka Brazil le tsa Argentina?

I thank you sir.

gore o ka ruela mo go lone ka ntsi e e bidiwang tsetse.

Re ne re na le lephata le bidiwa Tsetse Fly Department, batho ba ne ba tsamaya ba ya go fetsa kgwedi yotlhe mo Makgobokgobong ba leka go lwantsha tsetse e le Lephata la Puso.
E le maiteko a Puso go bona gore golo koo go tle go kgone gore go ruelwe teng gore batho ba itshetse, e se go ruela mmaraka fela, mme le gore batho ba itshetse ka tse ba nang natso le leruo le ba nang nalo.

Gompieno tsetse ga e sa tlhole e le teng, mme ga ke ise ke utlwe ope fela wa baemedi a akgola Puso mo go reng tse dingwe Puso e a di leka.

MR MOLEBATSI: Nnyaa ke gore gompieno kgang ga se market, ke cost e bagarona that they incur, ya go tlisa dikgomo kwa kwarantining e kgakala ya Makalamabedi.
Ke yone kgang gompieno, ya market is a different issue altogether.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Minister, your time is up.

MR MOLEBATSI: Okay.

MR SPEAKER: Your Honour the VP.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga a tsholetsa.

HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): Ke tsholeditse rra.

Ga ke a bolo go tsholetsa Honourable Member for Selebi-Phikwe.

Mr Speaker, tlaa ke tseye sebaka se le nna ke akgele ka bokhutshwane.
Tota I did not intend to speak but let me speak so that re tlhalose dilo tse dingwe, ka gore kgang e tota ga e telele, e e ka bong e re tsere lebaka le le kana.

Kgang fela e nngwefela Mr Speaker, Motion ga o na molato, mafoko a go buelela kgaolo ya gago jaaka rotlhe re batla go buelela dikgaolo tsa rona, ga a na bana ba phefo.
Pharologano fela ke gore a mme tse re di buelelang dikgaolo tsa rona ka go farologana ga rona jaaka re farologana jaana, ke tse e leng gore Puso e ka kgona go di dira mo nakong e nngwefela re lebaganwe ke bothata jo re lebaganweng ke jone jwa letlhoko la madi.

Ke yone kgang.

Ke a itse gore bagarona e a re fa ba bua, ba bo ba tlatsa ka mafoko a mangwe a a seng monate a a kgaoganyang setšhaba; mafoko a gotweng dikgaolo dingwe ga di ratiwe.
Ke gone fa go simololagang tribalism, go kgetholola batho ka letso la bone.

Ke batla gore batho ba Ngami le Okavango ba utlwe gompieno gore ga se gore go na le ka fa ba kgethololwang ka teng ke Puso.

Ba ba tsholetsweng, e bile ba goletse kwa Ngami, ba a itse gore seemo sa Ngami se bokete jaaka Puso e ntse e se leka.

Selo santlha kwa Ngami e ne e le lefelo le le thata Fa re bua jaana batho a kwa Kasane, ba Chobe ga ba rekise dikgomo.

Fa Shamukuni a ne a le teng fa, o ka bo a ka le bolelela.
Ga ba na kwa rekisang teng gotlhelele ka lebaka la gore ba fa gare ga lefelo la diphologolo le eng gore malwetse a dikgomo one a re buang ka one a a lekwang go lwantshiwa mo mafelong a mangwe, a thata gore a lwantshiwe kwa lefelong leo.

Puso e a leka go bona gore batho ba go nna jaana e ba thuse gore bojanala bo ye magoletsa gore batho ba kgone go itshetsa, go dirisa mananeo a mangwe a e leng gore a ka ba tshetsa a Puso.

Ditsela di thata gongwe le gongwe batho betsho.


Mafelo a mangwe fa o bona a bidiwa gotwe Sand Veldt kwa go ruelwang teng, ke mafelo a a thata a go sa tsamaegeng fa go senang tsela mo gare ga metlhaba e metona.

Jaanong just to compare, ga re re bokete jwa selekanyo bo lekana gongwe le gongwe, mme fela se re se buang, ra re mo nakong ya gompieno mo mading a re senang nao a a thata a, o kare re ka nna re ntse re leka go ipelega ka fa re ka ipelegang ka teng le rona re le Batswana.
Ke lemoga sentle gore dikgomo tsa Ngami di kile tsa bo di na le mmaraka ka thulaganyo e nngwe ya batho ba ba neng ba ikemetse e bidiwa BLDC.

E ne ya tuma, mme e ne e le kwa bo Motopi.

E ne e reka dikgomo go simolola kwa Shakawe because they were using economies of scale; ba kgona go reka dikgomo di le di ntsi, and be able to cushion ditshenyegelo tsa bone fa ba tlisa dikgomo kwa quarantines tsa nnetu, e le gore ke bagwebi ba ba ikgobokantseng.
It is an opportunity which other people can take into consideration, ba bona gore a re ne re se ka ke ra ipopaganya re le dikoporase, ra dira dikoporase fela tse e leng gore re tlaa kgobokanya re rwala dikgomo re di isa kwa, re fokotsa ditshenyegelo gona le gore motho a le mongwefela a ikisetse kgomo ya gagwe kwa kwarantining.
Ke dingwe dilo tse e leng gore di ka lejwa tsa sekasekwa, gongwe ya re fa go thusiwa dikwarantini kana dithutso tse di tshwanang 30 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER SUPPLEMENTING NORTH WEST DISTRICT CATTLE FARMERS WHO SELL THEIR CATTLE TO BOTSWANA MEAT COMMISSION (BMC)Motion (Resumed Debate) le tse Motlotlegi Kekgonegile a di kopang, go bo go thusiwa gongwe e le mo tlase ga lenaneo la dikoporase go ntse ka tsela e e ntseng jaana.
Ke dingwe dilo tse e leng gore re tshwanetse ra di sekaseka.

Ke ne ke leka go supa fela dikai tse go supa gore kgaolo eo ga e a latlhelelwa, mme le lona ga le molato gore le bo le eme ka dinao le buelela kgaolo ka fa le tshwenyegang ka teng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification, Your Honour.

MR TSOGWANE: Mathata a a tlang teng fela ke gore fa re simolola re tsenya gore jaanong batho ga ba ratiwe ke sone se ba sa thusiweng.
Ke gone fa re kgaoganyang setšhaba sa rona, mme re tlaa kgaogana ka bokete jwa dikgaolo tsa rona ka fa di ntseng ka teng.

Le lona le a itse gore re fa gare ga parks tse pedi; Central Kgalagadi Game Reserve (CKGR) le Makgadikgadi tse di re tshwarisitseng bothata jaaka le itse; human/ wildlife conflict e e leng gore le kwa Ngami ke tsaya gore e teng thata thata le yone.
Gongwe go tla kwano ke le Mopalamente, ke bo ke re gongwe bao should be subsidised ka gore go na le human/wildlife conflict e ntsi mo kgaolong yame, gongwe Puso ga e ka ke ya kgona to cater for all of us.

Mongwe o ne a kopa clarification, ka bofefonyana.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you Your Honour.

Ke ne ke re ke utlwile …(inaudible)…o ne a bua gore batho ba dikgaolo tsone tsele, e rile ba sena go bolaelwa dikgomo, di bo di emisediwa (replaced) ka ditonki.
Ke ne ke re gongwe o e tlhatswe gore ditonki tseo di diretswe paka eo ya temo.

There was restocking, mme ba ne ba rekelwa dikgomo, ka gore mongwe yo o reeditseng, o tloga a ithaya a re dikgomo di emiseditswe ka ditonki.

Ke a leboga Your Honour.

MR TSOGWANE: Nnyaa, mme o bua nnete.

Ke yone kgang e ke e buang gore we cannot afford to be deceptive re le baemedi ba batho.

We cannot deceive people; Rre Molao o buile.

Gompieno jaana fa ke bua ka yone economy ya ditonki, nnyaa, e gongwe le gongwe.
Gompieno ditonki tsa rona di a rwalwa di a rekwa ke batho ba Zambia, ba di reka di le di ntsi di a go thusa batho kwa mo schemes tse di farologaneng tsa temo.

Ga se molato gore batho ba thusiwe le ka ditonki, mme ga go tewe gotwe dikgomo di ne di emisediwa ka ditonki.

Nnyaa, ke scheme fela se se ka dirwang sa batho ka fa se ka ba thusang ka teng.
E bile ke tsene gone kwa go reng, kgang ya kwarantini ya Kgomo Kgwana, ke tsaya gore e tlhalositswe; Rre Kapinga le ba ba neng ba farologana le ene ka mogopolo, is a Member of Parliament kwa kgaolong eo, mme o ne a bua se a neng a se bua ka kitso ya gagwe.

Gongwe fa e le gore ga go dirwe mo go lekaneng, go bonya, go tsaya nako, go tshwana le fa e le gore there are opportunity costs meanwhile, o ka e bua jalo.
Ke ne ke sa batle gore re farologane, re nne re akisane mo Palamenteng re le Batlotlegi, mme fela le ene he was not wrong.

Gongwe o ne a e bua ka context e a neng a e bua ka teng gore ga go dirwe.

Le potso o kile a botsa potso mo Palamenteng ka kwarantini yone e. Jaanong ke tsaya gore ditlhaloso tseo di tlaa leka gore le batho ba di utlwe gore fa e le gore go a dirwa, gongwe go tsaya lebaka.
O tle o bone boitimokanyi, yo mongwe le ene fa go buiwa jalo, wa tsala yame yo ke sa batleng go mmitsa ka leina, a re nnyaa, kwarantini eo e direlwa se sele; ga e baakanyetswe seo.

Jaanong ke gone go timetsa setšhaba, a re se direng jalo batho betsho.

Ke ne ke kopa jalo.

Rre Kapinga, ke itse gore o a bo o tshameka dinako tsotlhe fa o re nna le Tautona ga re rate batho ba Ngami.

Ga ke tseye gore o a bo o raya gore ka boammaaruri re ba tlhoile.
Ke tsaya gore re a bo re nyaodisana fela ka gore re bo ntsala, mme batho ba Maun re a ba rata.

Batho ba Ngami re a ba rata, e bile re ba eleletsa botsogo jo bo siameng.

Ke jaaka o bona gore Local Government e ne e na le thulaganyo e nngwe ya go ba thusa ka dijo le tse dingwe ka go bona gore ba a sokola ka tsela e ba neng ba sokola ka teng.

Jaanong ke ne ke tsaya fela gore a re tshwaraganyeng lefatshe la rona.
Re itse gore ditsompelo tsa rona ga di ka ke tsa re thusa gongwe le gongwe, le tsone ditlamelo tsa rona ga di ka ke tsa dirwa ka nako e nngwe fela.

Ga se gore mogopolo o maswe, re tshaba gore re dumalane le mogopolo kamoso o bo o tla o re nnyaa, ga le a dira, mme le dumetse mogopolo.

Re ne re batla go tlhalosa fela gore nnyaa, e tlaa re mo nakong e go tlaa bong go kgonagala, go ka dirwa.

Ke a leboga Motlotlegi.


Ka jalo, ga re dumalane le mogopolo wa ga motlotlegi, re sa tlhoa batho ba kwa Ngami, le ene re sa mo tlhoa ka gore le ene fa o bona a le fa jaana, ga a tlhophiwa ke batho ba Ngami fela, ba bangwe ba ne ba tswa kwa Rakops le kwa Makalamabedi ba ba tlhophileng Kekgonegile.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O re ga ke dumalane e seng ga re dumalane, o re ga ke dumalane.
31 Hansard No 205Friday 4th March, 2022GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER SUPPLEMENTING NORTH WEST DISTRICT CATTLE FARMERS WHO SELL THEIR CATTLE TO BOTSWANA MEAT COMMISSION (BMC)Motion (Resumed Debate) MR TSOGWANE: Nnyaa, rotlhe ga re dumalane, le bagalona ba bangwe ba tshaba fela go sa dumalana, ke a itse gore le wena ga o dumalane.

Ke itse gore le wena ga o dumalane, o tswa kwa Rakops.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)...

MR TSOGWANE: Ke lebogile Mr Speaker.


MR TSHERE (MAHALAPYE WEST): Thank you Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke emela to support mogopolo wa ga Honourable Kekgonegile.

Ke a utlwa kana ke tlhaloganya mogopolo wa gagwe, a re Goromente a thuse balemi ba Ngamiland ka dithuso tsa go jesa dikgomo fa di le mo kwarantineng for malatsi a masome a mararo, o kopa jalo.

Jaanong ke a mo utlwa fela sentle, ke a mo tlhaloganya, ke kopo e e ka bewang pele.
Kana fa re lebelela Ngamiland, mogopolo o o tshwana le o o neng o tlile ka Honourable Hikuama a bua gore re re sutlhe dikoloto tsa balemi ba Ngamiland, o ke neng ke dumalana le one ka gore Kgaolo ya Ngamiland jaaka ke kile ka bua, ke ne ke nna gone kwa, ke bereka mo Lephateng la Agriculture, ke le mo Tirelo Sechaba nako e neng dikgomo tsa Ngamiland di bolawa ka Contagious Bovine Pleuropneumonia (CBPP).
Jaanong kana fa ba Ngamiland ba ne ba ntse ba ruile dikgomo tsa bone jaaka di ne di itse, di tlwaetse thota ya bone, re bo re di bolaya, fa re di bolaya, re bo re tlisa jaaka Honourable Deputy Speaker, a re ba tlisitse Brahman, Simmental le tse dingwe, dikgomo tse di ne tsa se ke tsa dira sentle kwa Ngami ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Go ne ga tsaya lebaka, o kgona go lemoga gore go tsere lebaka gore jaanong balemi ba Ngami, ba boele mo seemong se ba neng ba le mo go sone pele ga dikgomo tsa bone di bolawa.
Gone moo fela ka bo gone, go ba buseditse kwa morago ka dingwaga tse dintsi e le balemi, ke sone se o bonang ke ba utlwela botlhoko ka dinako tsotlhe fa go buiwa ka kgang e. Ga ba ise ba ko ba kgone to recover sentle fela ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Jaanong Goromente o tshwanetse a ba tataise, a ba thuse ka metlhale yotlhe e e ka kgonagalang.
Fa ke mo utlwa sentle, ke gore mogopolo wa re Goromente a thuse fa a paletsweng ke go tlisa ditlamelo fa tlase ga batho jaaka kwa Ngamiland, jaaka Kgomokgwana, e e neng e dirisiwa thata e bile ka nako ya lekgwafo fa go bolawa, e ne e le yone kwarantine e tona ka nako eo.
Jaanong ke eng re sa baakanye kwarantine ya Kgomokgwana ka bonako jo bo kgonagalang jaaka Honourable Kapinga a ne a complain maloba a re o ne a tswa teng, ga go na le fa e le sepe, gatwe le budget madi a mannyennyane, go batla P4.5 million lona le bua ka madi a mannyennyane a e leng gore ga a ka ke a thusa balemi ba Ngamiland.
Jaanong fa e ne e le gore ditlhwatlhwa tsa to transport jaaka gompieno jaana fa o tswa kwa Ngamiland, kwa godimo kwa Shakawe, bo Gudingwa jaanong ga re o tlaabo o kgweetsa over 400 or 500 kilometres (km) o ya kwa Makalamabedi.

Golo moo go bolaisa balemi costs kana ditlhwatlhwa tse di ka bong di ne tsa fokotsega fa e ne e le gore ba tswa kwa Gudingwa, ba bo ba felela mo Kgomokgwana.

Ke sone se balemi ba lelang.


Ke tswa kwa Mahalapye, ke a ba tlhaloganya gore go raya gore ba ka lela ka gore jaanong ditlhwatlhwa di dintsi tsa go tsamaisa dikgomo go tswa fa o bo o boa o di tlhokomela for malatsi a le masome a mararo.

Mr Speaker, yone e ke yone e dirang gore ke support ka gore Goromente ke ene a paletsweng ke gore a thuse batho, a tlamele batho, a tlise ditlamelo tse di maleba fa tlase ga batho, therefore we can take the burden ya madi a a tlhokafalang gore re dire tiro ya teng.
I think it is logical and ke sone se se tlhokafalang.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MR MOLEBATSI): Clarification Mr Speaker.

Honourable, kana wa re ga go na tiro epe e e kalokalo e e diragalang kwa Kgomokgwana gompieno, at least ga o bue jaaka Honourable Kapinga yo a neng a re ga go na sepe se se diragalang, wena wa re go bonya.
Kana ke ne ke bua le Honourable Kapinga ka November, re tsamaya bo 30 per cent ka go fetsa go baakanya kwarantine yone e. Ke gore fa re leng teng, jaanong re tshwanetse re bo re tloga re tsweletse fela thata ka yone go e baakanya.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le remile ditlhare?

MR MOLEBATSI: Ee.

MR TSHERE: Ke a leboga Tona.


Ke leboga gore go na le maiteko a go dira, ka gore potso e e kile ya botswa, bosheng fela jaana Honourable Kapinga o ne a tlisitse potso e a complain, kana o ne a debate, a bua ka Kgomokgwana.

Jaanong ka re ka gore Goromente o paletswe ke go tlisa ditlamelo fa tlase ga batho gore ba se ka ba incur costs tse di kanakana, tsa go tsamaya mosepele o o fetang bo 500 km a isa kgomo kwa Makalamabedi.
Goromente jaanong should come in and foot the bill that he failed to provide to the farmers kwa Ngamiland.

That is my understanding, and gone foo, ke gone fa ke dumalanang le mogopolo o ka gore Goromente o ka bo a ne a thusa balemi jalo.
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Jaanong gompieno jaana, go raya gore madi a felela mo transport le mo go jeseng dijo, go raya gore dikgomo fa di tsena kwa kwarantineng, di felela di latlha nama, morui ga a boelwe ke sepe fa kgomo e setse e pegiwa ka gore dilo tse ke dikgwetlho tse di apereng batho ba Ngamiland.

Honourable Kekgonegile maloba o ne a bua gape a re kana go na le mathata a dijo tsa dikgomo, tsa leruo gone kwa Ngamiland.
Le gone kwa kwarantineng, fa e le gore di kwa kwarantineng jaanong gotwe o di rekele dijo fa gongwe ga o di bone, ka botsone dijo ga di yo.
E bile le ba ba re rekisetsang dijo tsa dikgomo tse bontsi jwa tsone di tswang kwa ntle, ke gone mo o fitlhelang e le gore jaaka re bua ka dikgang tsa trade, e ke neng ke bua ka yone maloba a maabane, gore kana fa e le gore we are importing food and then e bo e le gore tomorrow fela fa o tsoga you impose a ban on that trade, obviously there is going to be retaliation from anybody yo o berekang le wena fa e le gore o mo kgaola jaaka o mo kgaola jaana.
Jaanong gompieno re bona seemo se dijo tsa leruo, not only dikgomo le dikoko, re utlwile batho ba complain thata gore kana jaanong fa le nna le melao e e strict ya trade, o fitlhela e le gore ba ba le rekisetsang dijo, ba felela ba le rekisetsa dijo tsa boleng jo bo kwa tlase.

Dijo tse di senang dikotla tse di maleba, jaanong ke sone se e leng gore re a se face.
Ke gone mo o utlwang barui ba ba ruang dikoko ba re kana rona re jesa dikoko, mme dikoko di nna stagnant go nna go le go nnyennyane fela, koko ya Motswana e nna e le nnyennyane fela, kante batho ba ba le rekisetsang dijo because of ka fa le dirang trade ka teng, mo e leng gore you can suddenly change a huge bill fela, ke gore imagine re na le trade agreement ya close to P7 billion jaaka re na le yone ya import and export and all of a sudden, e bo e ema fela gone foo Mr Speaker.
Selo se re tshwanetse go se ela tlhoko when we deal le mafatshe a mangwe because dilo tse ga di bereke sentle.

Go common mo lefatsheng la Botswana gore re e tla re dira dilo ka tsela e gakgamatsang mafatshefatshe.
Gompieno jaana, re tlaabo re nna le policy e nngwe gotwe nnyaa, go tshwanetse go hirwe Batswana fela mo lefatsheng la Botswana, then the next thing, re expect gore Batswana ba ba kwa mafatsheng, ba ba berekang kwa mafatsheng a mangwe ba nne sentle fela, ga re itse gore re ba tsenya mo seemong se e leng gore they will have xenophobic attacks because rona mo lefatsheng, we pronounce gore nnyaa, mme jaanong ga re batle go hira batswakwa, mme re ntse re itse gore Batswana ba bangwe ba kwa mafatsheng ba bereka kwa mafatsheng.
Dilo tse ke tse re di lebelelang, fa re sa di lebelele re di lekanya ke sone se o bonang dijo tsa dikgomo kwa Ngamiland di tlile go nna... MR MOTSAMAI: Clarification Mr Speaker.

Ke ne ke re a o raya gore o tshepha banna ba fa o bua ka kgang ya gore ba go bolelela gore go tsweletswe, go a baakanngwa, o ise wena o ye go iponela ka matlho?

Ke go tsibose gore banna ba, o se ka wa nna o dumela o ise o bone se ba reng ba a se dira ka matlho, they are very dangerous, ba latlha batho.

Tanki.
Tanki.

MR TSHERE: Ke a leboga Honourable Whip.

Ke ne ke re kana dijo tse, jaaka honourable a complain ka dijo tsa dikgomo, re tshwanetse re ele tlhoko gore dijo tsa dikgomo le dilo tse re trade ka tsone le mafatshe a mangwe, keep that environment e le stable so that Batswana ba kgone to benefit mo go yone, ke yone kopo ya me e tona yone eo gore re tshwanetse e re fa re leba dilo tse, re di lebe ka kelotlhoko e tona, gore di ama (affect) jang batho kwa bofelelong, jaaka gompieno.
(MR MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION MOLAO): Clarification.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ka bokhutshwane, a o ikutlwa sentle, are you saying this is a trade agreement or a trade deficit?

A ke dilo tse di tshwanang?

MR TSHERE: Wa re it is a trade deficit or a trade agreement?

No, ke ne ke e fa sekai gore dijo tsa leruo tse Honourable Kekgonegile a lelang ka tsone kwa Ngamiland, gore ga di yo le tsone.

Kana a re ga di yo, ke sone se o bonang a kopa thuso ya gore gongwe Goromente a tsene, o ka bona di nnetlane.
Jaanong, ke di lomaganya le trade, kwa re di tsayang teng.

Ke dumela gore re tshwanetse re kgone go dira dijo, re itirele dijo mo lefatsheng la Botswana, mme golo moo ga re ka ke ra go kgona ka letsatsi.

Re tshwanetse re nne le tema ya go tsamaya jalo re ya teng… MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Thank you very much.

Your time is up.

The next Member to take the floor will be Honourable Kekgonegile, who will be replying to the debate.
It is now 12:30 p.m., may I request Leader of the House, His Honour the Vice President to move a Motion of adjournment.

MOTION ADJOURNMENT LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Mr Speaker, as we have concluded today’s business, I move that this House do now adjourn.

Question put and agreed to.
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