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4:09 they generally vote for their own mo This has heell done on different tion.

occasions, eotably i:::::.

lSt)5 and 1870, and 1 think we ought to follow the practice of the Canadian Parliament.

According to Iny opinion, the mover and seconder • arf~ free to vote as they like.

Question pItt and motion (Mr. Mous seau) agreed to, on the same division.

SUPPLY-CONCL"RRENCE.

Resolution reported from Committee of Supply (Mal'ch 11), tread the second tttme and agreed to.
House adjourned at Five minutes before Five o'clock.

HOUSE OF C01l1l\ION S. Friday, 14-th .March, 1819.

The Speaker took the Chair at Three o'clo~k.

PRAYERS.

BILLS INTRODUCED.

The following Bills were sPvl~l'ally introduced and read tlte first thne : - Bill (No.

49) To repeal 80 much of tbe Act 33 Viet., chctp.

46, as relates to the collection ot dues and tolls upon logs, timber, cedar.

pine, and rail way ties passing down the Moira River throi;gh the port of Belleville.-(M:r.

McCuaig.)

Bill (No.


50) Respecting La Banque Jacques Cartier.-(Mr. Girouard, Jacques Cartier.)

Bill (No.

51) To amend the Penitentiaries Act, 1875.-(Mr. .LlfcDonald, PIctoU.)

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Honse resar-oed itself into Committee of Ways and 1\1:ean8.
it to-day, I Mr. TILLEY: Mr. Chairman, is only recently, Sir, that I have fully real ised the great changes that have taken the Dominion of Ca place throughout last had the honour of a nada since I seat in Parliament, and, fully realise the greac change that has taken place, and the increased difficulties devol ving upon me, as Finance Minister, com pared with the position of affl1il's when I submitted myfillancial statement in 1873.

Then, Sir, my work was a very easy Hon.

members on the one indeed.


opposite benches were pleased, on that occasion, to compliment me On that state- felt To-day I am not menl, but I that I had earned no compliment; that if that spe8ch was ac ceptaLle to the House at that time, it was because of the satisfactory statement~ I was able to make with reterence to the condition of the Dominion and of the finances of the Dominion.
Then, Sir, I was able to point to steady and increasing surpluses and revenue, and that in the face of a steady reduction of taxaEon.

Then, Sir, I was able to point, ,,6th some degree of confidence, to the prospective expenditnres of the Dominion, extendi.ng over ten years.

To-clay I cannot speak Then of it with the same confidence.

the construction of the Pacific Railway was under regulations that confined and limited the liabilities of the Dominion to in 8.

$30,000,000.
$30,000,000.

position to say what expenditure or 1'e3 ponsibilities we may have to incur with reference to that great undertaking.
There has been a change in the policy, but it will become the duty of the Gov ernment and of Parliament to consider, while we have not the limit to our liabi lities that we had-our money liability being then $30,000,000, with 5~),000,OOO acres of land-whether we cannot, by some me::ms, construct thgt great work largely out of the ::WO,OOO,OOO acres of area land Then, of Si:::, and with satisfaction, to the increased capital of our banks and -the large dividend they paid.
To-day I to say that we regret must point to depreciated values, and to small dividends.

Then I could point to t.he general prosperity of the country.

that it is To-day we must all aclmit greatly depressed.

Then I could point with satisfaction to the various manu facturing industries that were in opera tion throughout the length and breadth rem unerative to the of the Dominion, men who had invested their capital in them, and giving employment to tens of thousands.
To-day many of the furnaces the machinery in many casea are cold, is idle, and those establishments that are in operation are only employed half time, and are scarcely paying the interest on the money in vested.

Then, Sir, we could point to the agricultural interest as most prosperous, with a satisfactory home market and satisfactory prices abroad.

To-day they have a limited market, with lying within that magnificent could point with pride, the wheat country.

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I that trust satisfied, is one whom, whatever low prices, and anything but a sati8fac- the tory market abroad.

Then, Sir, we could political opinions of gentlemen of this point to a very valuable and extensive House may be, all would have been anxious to see consulted before the GOY West India trade; to-day it does not exist.
ernment was formed-I mean the J\iin Then, Sir, we could point to a profitable 'The Government, there ist9r of lVIilitia.. and direct tea trade, that has been de- mOl'alised and destroyed.

Then every- the 19th fore, was not completed till thing appeared to be prosperOU8 ; to-day, October.
The members of the Govern though i:, looks gloomy, I hope thEre is a ment bad to return for re-election, and silver lining to the clond, that we may those elections, though they were hasten yet see illuminating the whole of the ed with all possible rapidity, because we felt there WaS a great deal of work to be DoIl1inion, and changing our present po- sition to one of happiness and prosperity.
done, were not over until the early part Mr. Chairman, thet'e has been, and very of November, when we returned to the naturally so, a good deal of interest and city of Ottawa.

And what did we find ~ anxiety manifested on the part of the As Minister of Finance, I cannot say I found the finances in the most satis friends of the National Policy, as it is called, in regard to its early introduction.

I founel, Sir, that we factory condition.


I can quite understand that, because be- had maturing in London, between the lieving as they do, and fiB a majority of early part of November und the 1st of .January, an indebtedness of $15,500,000 this House do, that that policy is calcu- lated to bring prosperity to the country, with nothing to meet it but the prospec it was but natural that tive payment of the Fishery Award.
On they should be anxious for its introduction, and that not this side of the Atlantic 'we had in the So day should be lost.
And it is satisfac- various banks of the Dominion sorne tory to know that, great and difficult as thing like $5,000,000, and between that is the responsibility which rests upon date and the 1st of J annary, with the the proposition subsidy of the Provinces and payments to me 1101'e, I am about to submit will be sustained, contractors who were constructing public not only by a majority of this House, works, something like $3,000,000 had to but b}' an overwhelming majority in the be paid; and then, considering the posi country.
the It was natural, therefore, :Mr. Chairrr..an, that the friends of this policy Dominion, the uncertainty as to whut its introduction, might transpire, it W:lS just possible that should be anxious for and it was pleasing and satisfactory to a reduction in tbe l'(~sel'ves might take see that even the Opposition vied with place, and that meant a demand on the the friends of the Government in their Dominion T:·easury.

Every dollar we found it necessary to take from the banks anxiety for its introduction.
encouraging to me, hecause, €>f course, an at the time W:1S embarrassing, and WM reluctantly withdrawn.
But it was in Oppositions are patriotic, and certainly a evitable that the Finance Minister should patriotic Opposition, anxious for the in- troduction of this measnre could not proceed to London, with the least possible have desired that a bad measnre, and one delay, that arrangements might be made the country to sustain the credit and the honour of not calculated to benefit should be forced hastily upon it.

There- in order the Dominion.
to avoid that, feeling the importance of fore, I take it for granted that, in addi- tion to the support from the gentlemen every member of the Government being behind me, we will have the support of at prepare gentlemen opposite to our policy and the measures for tbe meet.ing of Parliament, propositions we are about a cable message was sent to our agents But, perhaps, it will not be out of place on the other side to ask if the visit of for me to offer a few remarks in justifi- the Finance Minister to London could cation of the apparent delay that has not be avoided.
The answer was "No; taken place.

be remembered his presence here is absolutely necessary."

that the Government was only formed on U nuer these circumstances, I proceeded loan of Some delay took to London, and.

the 19th October.

in Canada £.3,000,000 sterling upon the· market place in awaiting the arrival am there.

While referring to that, it might of tion the banks were in an over hOD.

member, who, to submit.

'Ve]] , Sir, It is most placed a It will order post his in to I I an MR. TILLEY.

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411 on not that they hanks countrv realisation institutions I can appeal in the tariff of that day, placed seyeral of but, sider it than we have had, considering not be out of place to offer a few ob8er- T8.tions in reference to that loan, as it the magnitude and importance of the to other Finance Aas been criticised.

That loan, as the work.


prospectus shows, was offered to the Ministers, and especially to my prede highest bidder, and tenders were asked cessor, who, in 1874, made several changes up to 3 o'clock, on the 6th December.

t~) speak of the At that hour, owing to a variety of cir- difficulties there are in making even as cumstances, and among them I may few changes as were then made.
But!fi name the suspension, on that day, of the we undertake, 3S the present Government West of England Bank, and the antici- have undertaken, to readjust and reor pated suspension of that bank for several ganize, and, I may say, make an entirely days previous, which led to the demand new tariff, having for its object not only from the of $2,000,000 more the the revenue than will be collected this year, ba.nks in London, "for gold to streng- in addition, to providing for that then their position, in such a deficiency, to adjust that policy, or that the London position tariff with a view of making what hal could tender, although they had intended to do been, and is to-day, declared the policy of liO at an earlier period-about £1,700,000 the majority of this House-I mean the were tendered for, on that day, out of the protection of the industries of the coun try-the magnitude of the undertaking £3,000,000, and it was then stated that the loan would be kept open till the fol- will be the better appreciated.
Sir, we lowing Monday, at 3 o'clock.
On that have invited gentlemen from all parts of da.y, it waf:' announced that the balance of the Dominion, and representing all in terests in the Dominion, to assist us in the lO!1n had been taken, and I was in a position to make my arrangements to the readjustment of the tariff, because we leave on the 12th, having made provision did not feel, though perhaps we possess to meet our maturing indebtedness, and an average intelligence in ordinary Gov not on the 13th of that month the first in- feel 'Ve did loan was paid into the .talment on that hands of our agents.
N ow, Mr. Speak0r, not prepal'ed, if there should Le any further criticism without advice and assistance frOID men in this House, or elsewher9, with refer- of to to readjust ano make a. ence to my absence from this conntry ; if these matters, judicious tariff.

it should be said by any bon.

gen- therefore, invited 'Ve, those who were intere:;ted in the general tleman in th.is House that the time se- interests of the country, or interested in looted for placing that loan on the market interests.
Gentlemen who any special was an u.nfavourable one; if it should be aaid that took an opposite view, met us and it was the most unfavourable the discusse(l these questions, and I may say time, that, down to as late a period as yester London money market, in which any of if the Dominion loans had been floated; though the propositions are 8ub day, it is said that that loan should have been mitted to-day, W9 were favoured with the co-operation and opinion of gentle floated in Mayor June, when money was bringing but two per cent.
instead of six men who represent their particular or to the per cent.

and seven per cent.

when it was general views with reference negotiated; if such should be said, or any great questions we have under cOl1sidera \Ve have laboured zealously and reflections be made with reference to my tion.

absence in EngLand, I will ask my hon.

trust it will be found friend-my predecessor-to make my successfully, and we are now about to Then, Sir, after my return submit our views for the consideration defence.
to Ca.nada, I think we may appeal we the whole ques- with some degree of confidence to gentle It is not a question men in opposition, in approval of the early tion of the tariff.

Ib is not a period at which this tariff is being ir: that can be settled in a day.
to the minds \uestion that can be settled intelligently troduced, when I call in weeks, indeed it would have been well their if we could have had more time to COll- Government was formed on the 7th of erllment matters, we that we feel did biew everything.

that we were it became necessary that of this Honse.

the condition of should consider arduously, and I oT those hon.

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that my four weeks the has been a collected I will Chairman, $10,000, making necessarily trust the 14th April, this being in the first place, to a few facts Excise.

ticipated changes taking, previollsly stated, 412 [COMMONS.]

November, 1873; ours on the 19th of Itiaries, $12,500; Sundry Minor Ex hon.
predecessor I penses, altogether, Octouer; did not submit his tariff and Budget 1$654,424; less Public Works revote, speech until carried over to be expended next year, \Vhen we submit to $163,000; on other services, $75,000, the 14th March.

this House the result of our de1ibera- making a total of $238,000, a,rd leaving the tions, you will all understand the nature supplementary estimated expendi ture, over and above the estimates of last the consideration that and extent of have nlUst year, $416:424.
This, added to the esti given been that this House and rnates, makes the total estimated expen to them.

the country will feel that we have pre- diture E!

;timated $24,085,424.

revenue for the present year, taking the sented our views at as early a period as possible, taking all these facts first six months as our guide, and it is a into con- sideration.

Now, :Mr. Chairman, I de- very fair guide, under ordinary circum sire to call the attention of the Honse in stances, will be $21,620,000.
Now, Mr. the first place to the E::;timates.

from the returns that will be laid on the table of not occupy your attention with the ex- three the House, penditure for the years 1877-78.

That the last very is before YOU in the Public Accounts.

sum or large on Customs and But I desi;e to call the attention of an from the House, in the tariff.

But, with reference to the expenditures for It will be borne i::l mind, Sir, the first six this year.
estimated that in the Estimates suhmitted by our months as a criterion, the predece~sors last year of the income and revenue will be $21,620,000, leaving a This is not expenditure of the present year, the Esti- mated income exceeded slightly the esti- very encouraging for the present year.

estimated Last year, as you see by the Public mated deficiency was between expenditure $:Z3,600,noo.

It will be found the ex pen- $1, 100,000 ~md $1,200,000.

N otwith the efforts that have beeD.


diture ufthis year will exceed $24,00:',000.
The the saving that will be made in Supplementary Estimates to the House in a few the Agricultural Department, the saving I will submit days will be for Dominion Lands, $7,000; that will be made by the l\1:inister of Post Office Department, $20,000 ; Public Public 'Yorks in connection with the Works, revenue, that is railruaJ,$186,OOO railways, and the savings that have been in excess of the estimates, notwitlBtand- made bv the removal and dismissal of irig the effurts that have been made, and sllpernu~meraryemployes in the diflereul r.re being made, and will continue to be Departments; notwithstanding all this, made, bv the han.
the Minister of Public a deficiency of \Yorks to reduce that expenditure.

For $2,400,000.

N ow, I will call the atten tion of the House for a few moments to Customs, in addition to tlJe estimates the Estimates of next year.
As these of last year, a ~ubseqw:nt estimate of are before the House, I can deal more $17,740 will be required for the expenses intelligently with them and call attentiou of collecting revenue; ,Mounted Police, to the increase and decrease under these $40,000; Indians under treaty arrange- ruent, $44,674; Ocean and River Se1'- In the interest on the publie estimates.

vice, $19,770; Public Works and Build- debt, you will find that there is a very considerable increase.
The increased in ings, (special), $20,261.

This is in connection with the terest is payable in England, in couse The estimated quence of the last loan.

occurred in J\fontreal.


troubles The Paris Exhibition, $2;),000; Charges amount placed for of Manage'11ent, which were omitted in in last yeat's Estimates was $504;000. the E:-,timates of last year, $75,000, and Charges of Management, paid in Eng which was in connection with the 1'e- in sel'viCtt demption of the deot of $7,500,000; $6,500; total increase in the Charges of is Election expenses, 8Jl is payable vote that was made, $GO,OOO ;Peniten- in addition to the Management, $53,000.
amount under this head that numbers was Accounts, deficiency of $2,400,000.

expenditure.

in $116,386; Militia land $60,000, standing all that made, there will new loan savings There round that The still less the the he MR. TILLEY.

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413 I the the and fact this hon.


propose am about statement of on which we to be met, and of I n to make, state :M:r. TILLEY continuing, went into an tion I :MR. CARTWRIGHT: I disconcert in connection with the redemption of the iebt of $6,000,000, on the 1st January next, and this corresponded with the item omitted last year, in connection with the redemption of $7,500,000 in January last.

am very gen sorry to lileman, unless with his permission.
If my memory serves me, it may interest the House to know exactly how these two heavy charges on the debt which he to pay, have accrued.

}>aid, and is about T would just suggest that he should mention that to the Honse.
a large portion of the revenue of the United States is from specific duties, and, therefore, the decrease in the value of imports does not, in those conntries, materially aff8ct the revenue, whereas in the Dominion the duties are principally (tel valorem, and, therefore, largely affected by the decrease in the value of goods It is established by compa imported.
rative statements that the goods imported into the Dominion have decreased in value to the extent of 33} to 40 per cent., and the duties on those imports being levied largely on the ad valorem principle, there has b(~en a falling off in the revenues of Dominion in a con'es the pr oposi- ponding proportion.

it will be in the estimated shown-and elaborate expenditure for 1879-80, shewing a net order the House may perfectly that decrease of $24.1,191.
He also went understand extent the nature into the obligations those propusitions-that on many proved that a deficiency of $1,608,000 articles an would have to be met, even should the increase of duty, 25 per cent., levied on $850,000 estimated as properly belonging the value, will not hring more per yard than we received on a 15 per cent.

tariff to next year's revenue, be placed to the current year.

He con-I in 1873.
He con-I in 1873.

We will, by way of ill\lstra credit of tion, take 100 yards of cloth, valued in tinued: In my opening remarkR, ferred to the difficulty with which we 1873 at $1 a yard; the duty collected on have to grapple.

it would have been $15.

The same ",Ve must, if we meet cloth is worth now but 60c.

pm' yard, the expenditure of next year, our inter- est, the charges upon our revenue, and and it \vould require a tariff of 25 per the necessary expenditure which the cent.
to produce the amount of revenue to expect, ask from recl?

'ived from the same quantity in 1873. country has a right It is important to bear this fact in mind, this Honse the authority to receive a revenue from the customs of $~,OOO,OOO because, while it may be thought on the year.
other side of the Atlantic, ancI by our more for neighbours, that we are increasing largely We have the levying of taxation, and imposing increased how it can best be imposed to encourage duties on the products of other countries, It would it is well to make it understood that, if the industries of the country.

be well, before I enter upon the considera- our duties had been specified, we would tion of this point of the question to ask have been receiving the same amount of revenue as in 1873.
There are other ourselves what the volume of imports has that have led to the reduction of revenue difficulties: and to the present depressed condition of not much diminished.

Regarding the think it is to be re the country 1 tIle volume of imports has reduction of the reVimue, I have heard it gretted that remarked that it look production of the revenues ~ late years upon the large imports, ever since the Perhaps there is as Dominion was organized, showing a large has been so great.
much prosperity here as in many other balance of trade against it, as one of the parts of the world; then why was there causes of the troubles with which we such a f~lIling off in our revenue compared have to contend-one of the difficulties with the revenuf'S of the United States that it is our duty, if possihle, to remedy.
a.nd Great Britain 1 When we examine They have been decreasing to a cel'tain the case, we ascertain the fact that nearly extent, but are still very large, showing all the revenue collected in England and distinctly and clearly, in my judgment, ",Vith refererlce to the matter as I do, I the not been materially reduced.

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I last But still ought United opinion calendar let us, just in the average, gentlemen here, be to know there fur that they are ther diminished.

and elsewhere, hall.

who entertain the the that balance between the imports and exports is not a correct mode of judging of the I know that condition of a country.

opinion is entel'tained by hon.

gentlemen opposite.

for a few moments, turn our attention to the con dition which England occupies to-uay, as compared with the United States.
From 18G7 to 1873, the halance of trade against J£ngla.nd amounted, to It is quite true £50,OOO,OOD sterling.

that difference was met by interest, the returns from her vessels, and in various ways, t.o an extent largely coun terbalancing it, or leaving a balance in favour of England.

By the last return I have, which covers the year 1877, the balance of trade against her is shown to be £140,000,000 sterling, or $700,000,000 The balance of trade against per year.
1872 was the in States $116,000;000 ; in 1873 it was reduced to ;year $6G,000,UOO; hut showed that balance in favour of tne United States had reached $300,uOO,000 a year.

think, then, without entering into a discussion here of Free Trade and Protection, so far as it affects England and the United States, we may fairly con the clude that prosperity of the one country, at this moment, is caused in a great measure by the large surplus in its favour, and the depression in the other 'by the large deficiency.
Under these circumstances, it appears to me we should turn our attenticn to the best means of reducing the volume of our imports from all parts of the world.

Let me refer to some cil'cumstances that led to the present depression in the revenue.

During and afte.
During and afte.

the war in the U ni~ed tJ.e States, it country lost a large portion of its export trade, and its manufacturing industries had been to a certain extent paralyzed, and it was only about 1872 or 1Si3 that they really commenced to restore their manufacturing industries, and endeavour ed to find an extended market elsewhere for the manufactures of their country.
Lying as we do alongside that gre~t country, we were looked upon as a desit' able market for their surpl us products, and our American nf"ighbours, always is well understood that I MR. TILLEY.

their surplus, to enter surplus manufactures, competent to judge of their own intereste and act wisely in regard to them, pUi forth every effort to obtain access to our It is well known by the tera market.
they have been slaughter-market what the last four or five years in doing for Canada; that in order to £intI an outlet for they have been willing to send them into thiR country at any price that., would be a little below that of the Canadian manu facturer.
It is well kno\vn also tha~ they have had their agents in every part of the Dominion seeking purchasers for th0se agents and that their have been enabled, under our existing those goods at a price la\Y8, much 10\ve1' than they ought to have paid, which ,vas their value in the place of purchase.
It is well known, moreover, that the United States Government, in order to encourage special interests in the country, granted a bounty upon celtain manufactures, and gave to them the exclusive market of the Dominion, and, under those circumstances, we hale lost a very important trade, possessed pre-vious to 1873, in addition to the loss of the West India trade, and by the repeal of the 10 per cent.
duty on tea, we lost tea trade, and all the advan the direct tages resulting from it, by its transfer hom the Dominion to New York and Boston.

Under all those circum,s;tances, and with the high duty impo~ed by the United States on the agricultural pro ducts of the Dominion, by which we are, to a great extent, excluded from them, while the manufactures of that country are forced into our market, we could not expect prosperity or success in the Domi nion, so long as that state of things con tinued.
Tllese are some of the difficultiefl which have led to our presflnt state of affairs.

N ow, after having made these few remarks on that head, I desire to the attention of the House to the call I know this is a difficult ques remedy.

tilJn-that some that no matter wha.i hon.

members, or what proposition you may make, legislation you introduce, it cannot im prove or increase the prosperity of the country.

The Government entertain a th.

different opinion.

it would have been much more outset, have me.


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increased approval of attention w this to send to her-apart the British authorities, I have this to say to our that by the expedient to do so.
of possihle, the admission of onr ships into imposition of the duties we are now about France at tho same rate of duty as is to ask the Honse to impose, it may be charged upon British-built ships.

Turning said we -will receive from the imports they their from foreign countries a larger portion of advised His Ex.cellency to appoint Sir the $2,000,000 we require than we will Alexander Galt, one of the ablest states receive from the Mother Oountry.
I be· men in the Dominion-a gentleman whose Heve such will be the effect, but I think experience in connection with the finances that in making such a statement to this of this country, and whose knowledge of its trade and commerce cannot be sur House, belonging, as we do to, and form- ing a part of that great country-a .Jonn- passed by any, a:~ a delegate to confer try that receives our natural products w-ith the Government of Spain, a.nd with the authorities in the British \Vest India.
everything we without any taxation, Islands, and associated with him Oolonel have from our J think national feelings, 1 think this House will Berna~'d, a,s Ilssistant companion.

that this House will sustain the action of not object if, in the propositions before the Govel'nment in this matter.

These me, they touch more heavily the imports to Madrid, with the from foreign countries than from our gentlemen went Fatherland.
to American friends: In 1865 they ~brogated make arrangements with the Spanish the Reciprocity Treaty, and from that day Government to open up a trade with the to the present a brge portion of the im- Spanish \Vest Iudies.

The papms on this subject we would gladly lay hefore ports from that country into the Domin- the House, but at this time it would not be ion have been admitted free.
\Ve have hoped, bllt hoped in vain, In visiting England, authorised me to com adoption of that policy wo would lead our my colleagues American friends to treat us in a more municate with the Imperial Government spiriL with regard to the same and ascertain if some arrangements might liberal articles.
having waited not be made, through their Minister in twelve years for th~ cvnsideration of'this Paris, for the admission of our ships at two francs per ton, the same as paid by subject, the Government requiring more revenue, hav~ determined to ask thi~ the British Government.
Finding my time was limited and that it was neces House to imp08Q upon the products of the United Stat~ that have been free, stated to sary to return immediately, such a duty as may seem consistent with the Secretarv of State for the Colonies the nature ~f the duties imposed upon our position.
But couple with the proposal, I asked His shew that we approach this question Lord~hip's permission to charge Sir Alex a with no It was agreed to, and he has made some progress tion that will be laid on the table trust before in these negotiations.
containing a proposition to this effect: That, as to articles named, which are 10nO' to be able to submit the whole cor- respondence with reference to t IS matter 13 natural products of the country, t h including lumber, if the United States for the information of the House.

But, take off the duties in part or in whole, Sir, desiring not only to extend our trade we are prepared to meet them with equal with these countries, we felt that it was concessions.
The Government believe in necessary to protect ourselves in other ",Ve found, Sir, as I stated a reciprocity tariff, yet may discuss Free- directions.

trade or Protection, but to encour to-day is-Shall we have a reciprocity age the exportation of our manufactures tariff', or a one-sided tariff7 The Govern- to foreiO'n countries, and we are prepared ment propose to do more.
'Ve had not now to;:'say that the policy of the GOY been long the advisers of His Excellency ernment i~ to give every manufacturer in the Dominion of Canada a drawback on before we decided that it \Vas of the the duties they may pay npon goods used utmost importance to extend our trade with the British and foreign VorTest India!

in the manufactures of the Dominion Islands, and, that America, and that we should secure, if I under the bounty system of some foreign if possible, with South I exported.
the question of before, that it was important resolu- ander Galt with this duty also.

in order to me bv the Government.

the Government unfriendly spirit, 'Ve found also, \Vell, after Sir~ h' I I 0 ~16 Budget.

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countries, our sugar-refining trade, and other interests, were materially affected.

Well, Sir, the Government have decided to ask this House to impose countervail such circumstances.
ing duties under I trust that this proposition will receive the support of hoth sides of the House, because some six months sinep, when the deputation of sugar refiners in London and Sir waited upon Mr. Gladstone Stafford N orthcote, both of them being gentlemen representing Free-trade views, they declared, in the most emphatic terms, that when Government came in and interfered with the legitimate trade of the country they were prepared to impose countervailing duties.
To make this matter plain: and place it beyond dispute, the Government propose to ask the House for authority to collect on all such articles an ad valorem duty on their value, irrespective of drawbacks.

My col leagues say explain it.

For instance, a cent l.1nd a quarter drawback per pound is granted on cut nails exported to the Domi'Jion of Canada; the duty will be calculated on the value of the nailR, irre Now a spective of that drawback.
bounty is gi ven on sugar in excess of that which is paid by the sugar refiners; the Government will exact an ad valorem duty on the value of that sugar, irrespec tive of the drawback.
I may also state, ~'I:r. Chairman, that another reason why I think onr American neighbours should not o~ject to the imposition of the duties we propose is this: It is a fact, though not generally known, that the average percentage of revenue that is imposed on all im ports into the Dominion of Canada, at the present time, taking the returns for criterion is 13i per last year as our cent.

The amount of duty collected on the imports from Great Britain is a fraction under 17i per cent.
; while the amount of duty collected on the impocts from the United States is a fraction under 10 per cent.

If our friends across the border will not give us the Recipro city Treaty again, they cannot .find any thing to object to in the imposition of these duties, it bears a little more heavily on the articles imported from that country than they desire.
When I state that the imports entered for con sumption from Great Britain amounted in 1878 to $37,431,000, and in 1873 to $63,000,976, or nearly double; the im- if l\iR.

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but of $48,631,739, I know this subject in occupying much of the House, opportunity ports in 1877-8 from the United St.ates "187-34 and for were there has been a slight $54,283,072, falling-off; while, from England, it has heen about one-half, under the operation of the present tariff.
But, Sir, the House is more interested in the nature of the proposals we are about to submit t.han in the statements I have just made.

Before I come to that, Sir, it is the first oppor tunity that has been afforded me of say friend my ing a few words to my hon.

predecessor.

is not of such importance as to justify me, at the this time, I must time of take this thanking my hon.
friend the member for Oumber land, who, in my absence, s;o eloquently defended my policy of 1873, who so ably the statements made by my hon.

met I recollect that, on a similar predecessor.

occasion, perhaps the first in which he had addressed the House as Finance Minister~ he regretted that there had not been on the floor of the House a gentle man who had been a Finance !\Iinister belonging to the other side.

I felt, Sir, after reading the speech of my hon.


friend from Cumberland (Mr. Tupper), that if it hq,d been in the power of my friend from Centre Huron (:\-h. hon.

Oartwright) to have translated my hon.

friend to Fredericton, and hrought me back, he would have willingly made the think so.

But what did exc~nge.

I (Mr. Cartwright) do my hon.

when he visited my constituents last ~um­ mer ~ He, no doubt, desired to enlighten them.
But I may be pardoned in say ing I judged that one of the objects was to secure the defeat of some of the candi I dates, myself amongst recollect that he referred to the fact that I-and he spoke of it as my crowning offence-as Finance J\'linister, in 1873, had brought down Supplementary Esti mates $800,000 or $900,000 in excess of the estimated receipts.

recollect the marmer in which he dwelt upon this.


; the strong way in which he endeavoured to impress on the mind of my constituency what a great offender I had been, and that this was my crowning offer~ce.

Sir, he might have told that immense gather the ing that I, at the time, stated that Estimates were then, as they were on largely in excess of the previous years, the number.

friend I Budget.

lMARCH 14, 1879.J Budget.

411 about $5,000,OUO.

But, sum that was expended.


He might have told them that it was probable the re ceipts would be ample to cover the ex penditure, and that I stated that should the $800~000, the not such be the case, anticipated surplus of the then current year, would be amply sufficient to meet the deficiency.

He might have said that.


He might, Sir, have gone on and told them, though :Mr. Tilley has been such a blunderer, I, the Minister of Finance, have, for four years in succession, had a large deficiency.

I have made no pro vision for it.


He might have pointed to the fact that, when the late Government were in power, they had a surplus of $10,000,000, which the deficiencies under the present Government during the last four years had reduced to $3,000,000, their deficiency being seven millions during the last four years.
Taking the whole six years I will say this, because I do not want to decry the credit or the standing of the Dominion: that we are in a position to !tate that, taking the whole twelve years into account since the organization of taking our surplus of this Dominion; twelve years ,; taking the amount of $500,000, w rich had been charged im properly to income, that ought to have been charged to railways, and adding the $4,500,000 received from the fishery award, and deducting the deficiency, it will be shown there was a surplus ovpr and above the expenditure amounting to $10,000,000, or nearly so, which sbows, despite what has occurred during the last three or four years) that this DOl:linion has life and vit.ality if its affairs are pro pm'Iy administered.
if my hon.

friend will permit me, in imagina tion with him to his constituencv on the I will meet hi~ there, 17th September.

on his return from Kingston, \vhero he was engaged in a work, to him, no doubt, & labour of love.

I will go, Some HON.

GENTLEMEN: Succes.5 fullabour.
time in his public life, MR. TILLEY : "'~here he found that, the for the first constituency that had stood by him-no matt~r what side of politics he was on had deserted him, and I can see him as he receives his telegraams later 011, finding that one friend after another has fallen, and that the Government is in a terrible minority-I can imagine, Sir, that I can 21 I it and the verdict see him pacing the floor, greatly agitated r and saying: " Well, this is terrible; this is hard."
I can see him a little after WIth his countenance somewhat more placid can hear him exclaim and resigned.

ing, as he has been thinking over the de ficiencies for the last four years, and the I caJ hear condition of the finances.

him say aloud: "\Vell, terrible, terrible !1as been the judgment.

Looking at it III the light in which I judged my politi is cal opponents, however, just."
Now, Sir, we may have some other opportunities of considel'ing the paRt, bu t the country is looking to the future; is looking for something more than badin recrimination between the two age or sides of the House, and asking: \Vhat are you going to give us as a remedy for all the evils existil~g1 The anxiety of this remedy appears the Opposition for so great.

The leading organ cries: "Let us have it now!"

is echoed from hill-top to valley.


They wanted it now; they could not wait a day for it; they were so anxious to get it, I hope it will be pleasing to them and to the whole country.

I may sa,Y, at the out Sft that., in considering this question of the tariff and protection to our indus the Government considered how tries, they could best discharge their duty to the Dominion; how they could best ac complish the object the country desired to see accomplished.
vVe might obtain two fdillion dollars by the imposition of duties upon certain articles, and appear in reality give to give protection, but nOlle whatever.

\Ve might obtain a re venue from the increased duties, but not place it in such a position as to give real encouragement and protection to the in dustries they desire to protect.
And, therefore, Sir, in arriving at the conclu sions at which we have arrived, and which are to be submitted to the House, we submit them with the full conviction they will be effective in their that character, pro give tection to all who are seeking it, and who I to a have I may weary the p'~hence of fear that the House, but really the importance of the subject is such that, if I am tedions, you will pardon me, for I desire to be as clear as tariff is ,in a somewhat voluminous form, and I can only give extracts from it in order to.
pos~ible.

expect ample right The and .it.

418 Budget.

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show the general changes we have made.

Still, I have dassed them under different heads in order the m(Jl'e intelligently to expb.in it to the House, and I ex pect that to-morrow morning hon.

memhers will ll~ve the resolutions in printed form.

:MR. MACKENZIE: \Ve shall keep very quiet.

It a lower rate of duty.

MR. TILLEY: I hope you will.
I first with cotton goods, propose to deal and I may say here, before reading the schedule I have before me, that the prin ciple the Government has adopted with respect to many of these articles, is this: That where there are certain grades or descriptions of manufactures, the policy of the Government is this : To select for a higher rate of duty those that are manu factured, or can be manufactured, in the country, and to leave those that are not country, or likely to be made in the made in the country,-such as printed cot tons,-at is difficult, in some desuriptions of ~oods, to and make distinction; draw the line with reference to cotton goods we have but little difficulty in doing it.
There are certaiu portions made here, and certain portions tlHtt are not made here, and a line can be clearly and distinctly drawn.

The proposition of the Government with is as follows : reference to these goods, frec; and I Cotton wool, cotton waste, may state, the irlformation of hon.
for mem bel's, they must not suppose that tIle free goods named here are all that are in the list; but, in order to bring it intelli gently under the pa.rticular class of which I am speaking, where a portion is free and a portion paying duty, introduce the free goods with that list, but it is separate and distinct hy itself.

Bleached or unbleached cottons, sheetingR, drins, ticks, cotton and Canton flannels, not stained or paillted, one per clnt.

per square yard, and Ii) per cent.

ad valorem.


N ow upon the question of under-valua tion I may say a few words.
One of tho great difficulties that was pointed out to the Government by every delegation was and I the under-valuation of goods, may Govern here state ment will money to enable them to overcomc this difficulty, and they will also ask yOIl for power and authority, such as the United States has, and exercises to-day, to fix out, through their officers, the value of tlmt you for :\ vote ask the I l\fR.

TILLEY.
TILLEY.

in the the they different value of imported, country or sl)ecial business the goods in the country from whenc~ they are imported.

The great difficulty I have pointed ont is stated on all hands; it makes bnt little difference what the rate of dnt,r you impose, unless yon the under valuation.
Now, we prevput appointing additional officer8, propose it will be to \vhose asc~rtail1; coun the goods tries, what that city from are in that and whence are to impose the duty 011 those values, and to collect them.

But, notwithstanding therE' will be a difficulty, and to that obviate that difficulty, and to reach certain special classes of goods, it has been considered desirable, with these par ticular industries, to make a specific and ad valorem duty.
Under these circum stances, we have decided that, in respeci to this class of goods, 'yard, and 15 per cent.

ad valorem should be imposed.

On all cotton sheeting, drill cotton and ings, bed-tickings, plaids, Canton flannelFl, tickings and drills, dyed or coloured, pantaloon stuff and goods of thi1L description, 2c.

per square yard, and 15 per cent.

ad valorem.

These are \vhich is well articles, the value of impose known in the tracIe, and we specific and ad valorem duties.

lc.
lc.

per MR. "MACKENZIE: Can the hon.

those gentleman give us the values of two classes 7 dyed 2c.

per yard, on the same, colonred, MR TILLEY: I have the rates here I have when we go into tha.t question.

the rates here, and shall be able to in form the House when we come to them.

On all cotton batting warps, carpetings, knitting cotton, and other cotton yarns, under No.

40, not bleached, dyed or and 15 per coloured, if cent.

ad valorem,.

bleached, 3e or per pound, and 15 per cent.


ad valorem; on cotton warp, on denimR, per yard, and 15 per cent.

ad valorem,.

on cotton per and pound, and 15 per c~nt.

(fA v:tlorem,.

on cotton shirts and drawers, woven or made with cotton, 30 per cent.

ad valo rem j cotton sewing threads, 12 ~ per cent.

; on spools, 20 per cent.

; on all clothing made with cotton, or of a component p:ut, 30 which cotton is per cent.
; on all manufactures of cotton, not elsewhere spedfied, and which comaS smalls bags, 2c.

lc.

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to pel' per coal cent., leather require Budget.

per ton; ] )ominion.

pel' meaning a the 17~.

20 this can be It \Ve now we if reeled to coal and coke.

thracite ton; bituminous and coke, tiW (JoVel',lment list, cent.

that will yield, notwi thstanding the [MARCIl 14, 1879.]

419 mainly from England, and which we do I pipes, 20 per cent., ad valorem.

Now I come to another item that is.


in some re not make in this country, 20 pel' cent.

I m~y sta~e he1:e, ~t th~ outset, that it.

is spects, in th: same position as cotton to 111-1 good;;;, .

that the mtentlOl1 of IS, enthenwilre and stone as a ware, brown and coloured, and Hocking crease being I ham ware.

r:rhat is an article made ex whole, tensively in the Dominion of Canada.
It goods is manufactured the articles that are taken out of is a coarse ware, but list, an incre~lse of, pcrhap:s, 0750,000 extensiyely in countt'V, and all produc~ed in the out of the $2,000,000 required.

come to silks: Silks, is proposed to select raw, or, from the cocoon, not manufactured, silk those articles that we ca,n produce, and cottons and silk yarns, 15 pm' cent.

ad to inJI)ose a du ty of 25 per cent.

on valorem " sewing silk and silk twist, 25 earthen ware and sLoneware, and on 0.
C. \va~'e, an ad valorem, duty of 30 per per cent.

; on silk velvets and manufac- cent., while all other china and porce tures, of which silk is a component part, not elsewhere specified, 30 per cent.

Clel lain, and imports of that kind, come valorem.

N ext in the list are leather under the category of enu rnerated arti manufactures: On sale leather, tanned cles at 20 per cent.

Gypsun, unground, free; gypsum, or plaster of Pari3, ground, or rough and undressed, and on morocco, Now I come 10 per cent.
ad valorem; on sole and 20 per cent.

acl1xdorern.

"\Ve propose that an belting leather, tanned, and on all upper shonld pay a duty of leather, not otherwise specified, 15 per cent ad valorem; on the same dressed oOc.

coal, 50c.

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per ton and h'11'nes8, 20 per cent.

nd valurem; on per ton of ~,OOO pound~.

patent and enamelled leather, 20 In dealing wit,h this matter, the Govern cent.
; on all other tanned, not otherwise herein provided for, ment had to consider what, in their and on leather belting boots and shoe:;, judgment, would give barel.y tbe market .and on other manufactures not otherwise of the Dominion to the coal deposits of provided for, now 17~ per cent., will be Nova Scotia, because theyara princi 25 per cent.

; gloves of leather, 25 per pany there.

"\Ve know that, upon this cent.

; leather board, 3 cents per pound.


subject, there has been some conflict of Marble in stone, or marble in block, opinion; but the judg:nent of the Gov rough on two sides, when not specially ernment is that, while the average im port of coal into the Dominion of Canada shaped, containing 15 cubic feet, or up- wards, 10 per cent.

; slabs, sawn on not during the last few years has been from more than two sides, 15 per cent.
; planks 800,000 to 900,000 tons, and while the and slabs, be the Nova Scotia coal two In the marble, mantels finished hIe, and imitation marble, not elsewhere the specified, 25 per cent.

ad valorem,.
on 800,000 or 900,000 tons now imported, freestone, sandstone and probably there will still be 350,000 tons stone, other stones, excepting marble, per tOIl of anthracite, and perhap::s 150,000 tons in of bituminous still imported, giving to of 13 cubic feet, $1 ; or curb stone, the rough, $1.50 per the balance of ton; on dressed free- 400,000 tons, with, of cOurse, an addi limestone, $1 per tional supply, if, as we expect, our policy stone, building stone and all manufac- tures of stone, 20 per cent.
ad valorem,.

an is to supply the slate for roofing or slate-slabs, square and increased demand for coal not specially stateol, 20 per cent.

ad val- growing manufactures of the country.

,orem,.

school and writing slates, 25 per The next class of articles prGposed to be cent.

; slate mantels, 30 per cent.

; bricks dealt with is books, papers and manufac for building, 20 per cent.

; fire bricks or \Ve experienced some tiles for stoves and f'unaces, 20 per cent.
; difficulty in dealing with thIS item, and hydraulic or water lime, ground, includ- we called to our assist'lllCe gentleme:\ who ing barrels, 40 cents per barrel; Roman know the trade thoroughly, who are -cement, 20 per cent.

ad valorem,.

drain acquainted with the interests on both of mar- will take the place of a part of it.

estimates of the Government, out of the Nova Scotia coal on largely imported, than anthracite tOIl; on water consequence of tures of paper.
and skins, sawn 20 on more successful, coal will continue rough, cent.

; sides, short per in to 420 Budget.

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or the books, decided I that the labour books, six believe, except sides, and understand the matter from their own business point of view, and after conferring wilh them: the Govern following upon ment propositions :-Books, printed periodicals, 'pamphlets, bound or in sheets, not bf'ing foreign reprints of British copyrighted works, nor blank account books, copy books, BilJles, psalm prayer books cents hymn per pound.
The Government adopted this principle, which is in operation in every country, the the higher class United States, and better class of books which cost a higher peice than the objectionable and inferior books, where intellect has made the book valuable, a duty should not be placed upon the intellect, but the duty should be collected simply upon the and the paper.

value of Upon British copyrighted books 6c.

per pound and 12k per cent.

ad valorern, On },ibles, prayer-books, &c., 5 per cent., as at present.
On books and pamphlets imported through the post-office, for every two ounces in weight and fraction thereof, Ie.

A great many books are sent through the post-office from th8 United States and elsewhere into the Dominion of Canada, and the Oustoms great authorities but difficulty is not under value, necessary N ewspa· but pel's imported through the post-oftice free, blank books, through the post-office, 20 per cent.

ad valorem,.
ad valorem,.

printed bill receipts, drafts, posters, heads, cheques, labels, advertising matter, &c., 30 per ad valorem; advertising pamphletB, $1.

per hundred; printed music, bound, or in sheet, 6c.

per pound; playing cards, 30 per cent.

; engravings, prints, &c., ~O per cent.

; maps and charts, 20 per cent.

; articles not specified, 20 per cent.

; on pulps for paper makers, 10 per cent.

; mill and straw board, 10 per cent.

; en ve!npes, &c., 25 {Jer cent.


; paper hang ings and wall paper, 25 per cent.

; printing materials and presses, 15 per cent.

; printing type, 20 per cent.

; type metal, 10 per cent.

; type, old, and tit en only to be re-manufactured, graved plates, 30 per cent.

j electrotypes, &c., 10 per cent.

I HOW submit the prol>osition with reference to carriages, experienced regard to proposition know the weight.

them, it the simply free; have thi:; in to ask why cent.

all per Some the cent.


higher this description to this proposition, furniture and wooden ware :-Railway carriages, cars,waggons, sleighs, wheelbar rows and like vehicles, 25 pel cent.

ad 'vulo?

'em,o household or cabinet furniture kinds, not otherwise named, of 35 hon.

meIllber& of duty rate may of manufacture on is 5 per in than that some others 1 Marble slabs aDd cabinet maker's hardware pay a high duty, and the same may be said of other articles used by the manufacturers, such as var nish.
On clocks the Government pro pose a like duty.

On examination it was found that clocks are manufactured, and extensi,-ely too, in the Dominion, as the duty which enters into the manufacture of these clocks has been increased, the Government felt it right to ask the House I was to agree under the impression that clocks ,vas an article on which it would Dot be wise to impose a duty, as with any protection we might give them, we could not compete successfully with our American neigh bours.
But I found in that busy city of Hamilton, which is represented by nearly every article in the schedule before me, there is a clock-making industry success fully established, and producing a very nice article, in a birds-eye maple frame, for seventy cents, and they have orders from England for 6,000 or 7,000 of these clocks.

Picture frames, mouldings, &c., 25 per cent.


; billiard tables with pockets, 4~ feet by 9 feet,-and with reference to tllese articles and the smaller class of organs and pianos, I may say that the Go\--ernment have decided, after careful consideration1 to impose a specific duty and an ad valorem duty,-billial'd tables with pock8ts, 5 feet by 10 feet, $25; b!

feot by 11 feet, $35 ; 6 feet by 12 feet, $40 ; in addition to an ad valorern duty of 10 per cent.
Musical instruments, organs with not over two sets of reeds, 8. specific duty of $10; with more than two sets and not more than four, $15; with more than four and not more than six sets, $20; all having over six sets of reeds, $30, and in addition thereto 10 per cent.

ad valorern on the fair market value; square pianofortes, having not over seven octaves, $25; upright pianofortes, $30; concert or grltl1d pianofortes, $50, in ad dition to ten per cent.

ad valorem on the imple- fair market value.


Agricultnral MR. TILLEY.

Buaget.

[MARCH 14, 1879.'

Budget.

421 30 not per cent.

; stained, anel 'lDents, not otherwise specified, 25 per tubs, churns, cent.

j woodenware pails, brooms, brushes, &c., otherwise 'specified, 25 per cen t.; cOl'ks, and rnanu £actl.1re of corkwood, 20 per cent.

; cork wood and hark, unmanufactured, free.


We now come to glass manufactures, and here the same pi'inciple is intended to apply as that which I pointed out in reference to cotton and earthenware.

We have selected for a higher rate of ,duty the description of glas5ware that ,can be made in the Dominion.

On pressed glass bottles, vials of every de scription, 30 per ~ent.

; carboys and demi telegraph and johns, lightning-rod insulators, 30 per cent.

; lamps, globes, etc., 30 per cent.


; orna mental, tinted glass, and glass windows, 30 per cent.

; common and colourless window glass, and glass painted, enamel1ed and cngra<red, 20 per cent.

; and all other glass, not otherwise specified, the non-enumerated rate of 20 per cent.

The next class of articles is In metal.

The first item is pig iron.

,dealing with this question, the Govern ment had to take into consideration the important iron interest of the Dominion.
It is quite true that a very large deposit of iron is found in the Province of Nova Scotia.

Adjacent to it are immense beds of c'JaJ, and no doubt for the Province of Nova Scotia this in terest is a very important one, hut it is not confined to Nova Scotia.

\Ve find, on examining the geological reports and the reports of the officials who have been charged with theenquil'ing into the extent of that in every Province of the Dominion there From the are large deposits of iron.
west we have had specimens of iron sub mitted to us of the most valuable charac tel J made application of heat from petroleum, whi~h appears to remove some of the difficulties that have been experienced in producing good iron be removes the phos fore, ph'Jrus and sulphur whir;h rendered to a If this great extent that iron valueless.
be so, we lllay reasonably expect that in the western part of our Dominion, in N ova Scotia, in the valley of the Ottawat in the Provinces of Quebec and New Brunswick, we may, by giving some en to this manufacture, or couragement its interests these have ,.springing up all over the Dominion and inasmuch as it inexhaust.ible, iron deposits !lFoduction, show US by the our or ho0l'~ billets, ad valorp,!n; ill results.
producing the most beneficial We find in every conntry, no matter what country it is-take England for in stance, take France or any other country that has risen to any position of wealth and commercial greatness-and you will find the iron interest is one of the most important inte~'ests of that country.

I would also instance the United States.

It may safely be said that it is the basis It is true we of every other industry.

have not developed it to a great extent yet.


\-Ye hhve one establishment at present in operation in Nova Scotia, but it will only produce one fourth of our present consumption.

There is no rea son why 'we should not supply the whole of the trade in time.

There is a great diversity of opinion as to how this pro It is now pro tection is to be afforded.

posed to place a duty of $:3 per ton on pig iron; old and scrap, in hlooms, 1:2-?r pel' slabs, bars, rolled or cellt.
hammered, including flats, rounds and sqnares, band and hoop, sheet, smoothed or poliRhed, coated or galvanized, and common or black, 1)oi1er and other plate, Canada plates or squares, nail and spike rods, and all other iron not otherwis6 herein provided for, 17t per cent.

ad 'l)alOreriL; on rolled round wire rods in in diameter, 10 pel' coil, under half-incll cent.

ad valorem; on iron rails or rail way bars for railways or tramways, 15 per cent.

ad valorem,.
ad valorem,.

on railway fish plates, feogs, frog puints, chairs and finger bars, 17 ~ per cent.

ad valorem,.

on iron and steel wire, not over No.

18 wire gauge, 25 per cent.

ad valort3m,.

on tin plates, 10 per cent.

ad valor:em,.

on cast ings in the rough, 20 per cent.

ad valr finished orem,.

on cent.

castings, ad Vrt[,.. car wheels, 25 per cent.

orem~' ad ~'alorem,.


on mill irons and mill cranks, and on wr01~ght forgings for mills and locomotives, or parts thereoft weighing 25 pounds or more, 20 per cent.

ad valorem,,.

on locomotive engines, and on stationarY or other steam engines and boilers, and "on other machinery com posed of iron, or of which iron is the component part of chief value, 25 per cent.

ad valorem,.

locomotive t.yres of steel, or Besspmer in the rough, 10 per cent.

ad 1!alorem,.

seamless boiler tubing, drawn, 10 per cent.


ad valorem,.

on L€d steads and other iron furniture, and orn,a,.

stoves and other 25 per on 422 Budget.

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30 per cent.

nnts, chain beams, valorem,.

weighing ad saddlers' cent.

washers mental iron work, 25 per cent.

(ui val orern,.

on hollow ware tinned, glazed or enamelled, of cast or wrought iron, 25 per cent.

ad valorern,.

on hard ware, viz.


: builders', cabinet-makBrs', upholsterers', carriage-makers', and under ad valorem.~· takers', 30 per bolts, rivets, and 30 valorem " .. tacks, ad brads and sprigs, 30 per cent.

ad valorem,' horse-shoes and horse-shoe nails, iron wire nails, called" Point de Paris," 30 ~r cent.

ad valorem,.

iron and steel ecrews, commonly called "wood-screws," 35 per cent.

ad 'l-'alorem,.

scales, balances per and eent.

cables, over!


inch in diameter, shackeled or swivelled, or otherwise, 5 per cent.

ad il'on masts and wire flalorem " anchors, riggin~, when used for ships or other vessds, free; nails and spikes, cut, ~c.

per pound und 10 per cent.

ad valorem,.

nails and spikes, wrought and pressed, whetller galvanised or not, i of a cent per pound, and 10 per cent.

ad valorem " composition nails and spikes and sheath ing nails, 20 per cent.

ad valorem,.
ad valorem,.

on sewing machines, whole, and on" heads," or parts of heads of sewing machines, $2 each; and in addition thereto, 20 per per cent.

ad valorem,.

on machinery for -atton and worsted mills, not made in the country, free; steel, in ingots, bars, coils, sheets and steel wire, 10 per cent.
ad valorem " edged tools of all kinds, in eluding axes, scythes and saws; carpen cabinet-makers', and all ters' other mechanics' tools, shovels spades, hOts, hay, manure, and potato forks, I"GLkes and rake teeth, and steel skates, JO per cent.

ad valorem,.

on cutlery, and OR other manufltcturers of steel, and of iron and steel, not otherwise llerein pro vided for, 20 per cent.

ad valorem,.

011 in the rough, or blades knife blades, uuhandled, and for use by makers of pla.ted wa.re, 10 per cent.
ad valorem,.

copper, old and scrap, and in ingots, pigs, plates, bars, rods, bolts, wire, and in shf'ets not planished or coated, and for sheathing, 10 per cent.

ad valorem,.

seamless tubing, drawn, 10 per cent.

ad valorem,.

rivets and hurl'S, 30 per cent.

ad valorem,.

on all manufactures of copper, not otherwise herein provided lor, 30 per cent.

ad valorem,.

wire of brass or copper, 10 per cent.

ad valorem,.

coopers' MR. TILLEY.

wire cloth, of hrass or copper, 20 pel cent.

a,d valorem,.
a,d valorem,.

brass, old and scrap, and in oars, bolts and sheets, round or flat wire, seamless drawn tubing, and tubing plain and fancy, unfinished, 10 per cent.

ad valorem,.

on manufactures of brass, not otherwise herein provided for, 30 per cent.

ad valm·em,.

church bells, free j yellow metal, in bolts, bars and for sLeu,thing, free; phosphor-bronze, in blocks, bars, sheets and wire, 10 per cent.

ad valorem,.

lead, old and scrap, in pigs, blocks, bars and sheAts, 10 per cent.

ad va{m·em,.
ad va{m·em,.

lead pipe, 20 per cent.

ad lead shot,20 per cent.

ad val valorem,.

orem; all other manufactures of lead, not otherwise herein provided, 25 per cent.

acJ valorem " tin, in blocks, pigs and bars, and in plates and sheets, 10 per cent.

ad v(dorem,.

on tinware and japanned ware, and on stamped ware, 25 per cent.

ad val orem .. zinc, in pigs, blocks and sheets, and on seamless-drawn tubing, 10 per cent.

ad valO1·em,.

on manufactures of not elsewhere specified, 25 per cent.

ad valorem,.
ad valorem,.

siher and gilt electro-plated ware, 30 per cent.

ad valorem " German sil vel' in sheets, 10 per cent.

ad valorem t jewelry, watches.

and manufactures of gold and silver, 20 per cent.

ad valorem, Jewelry is considered, like silk, a luxury, the circumstances and had it not been for affecting this article, have bf,en taxation.

to subject It appears that, even at 17-!


per cent., we only imported last about is $240,000 worth, and the inducement so great to smuggle, the Govern ment propose to leave these articles in the unenumerated list of 20 per,; cent.

",Ve now come to wool and woolen goods.

In this case, Mr. Uhairman, we have so the con arranged our proposition for sideration of this House, the duty that is to be imposed so as to encourage the manufacture of the coarser description of woolens and blankeLs in the Dominion.
We have, at time, a large the present product of wool shut out practicallr of the American market, and sold there at a very low price on account of the high duty imposed.

felt if they could secure a ready and good home market for this important product, they were bound to do it, and they ask the House to sustain them in this pro 'Vool, unmanufactured, hair" position.

of the alpaca, goat and other likeanimals~ The Government it would increased year that Budget.

[MARCH 14, 1870.]

Budget.

7~c.


and, ingrain, doeskins, cloakil1gs, cassimeres, overcoatings, of pounel, knitting-yarn, under and wool waste, free; on manufactures in part of wool, oomposed wholly or worsted, the hair of the alpaca, goat, or other like animals, viz :-Shawls, blal1 kBts and flannels of every description; tweeds, cloths, eoatings, felt cloth of every description, horse-collar fingering cloth, yarn, number yarn, worsted-yarn, 30 ; goods, viz.
:-Shil ts, knitted de hosiery drawers, every and scription, in per addition thereto, 20 per cent.

ad valo rem,.

on clothing, ready-made, and wear ing apparel of every description, com posed wholly or in part of wool, wOisted, the hair of the alpaca, goat, or other like animals, made up or manufactured,wholly or in part, by the tailor, seamstress or manufacturer, except knit goods, 10c.

per pound, and, in addition thereto, 25 per cent.

ad valorem,.
ad valorem,.

on all manufac tures composed, wholly or in part, of wool, worsted, the hair of the alpaca, goat, or other like animals, not herein otherwise provided for, 20 per cent.

ad fJolorem; on treble three-ply and two-ply carpets, co.mposed wholly of wool, 10c.

per square yard, and, in addi "on thereto, 20 pet cent.

ad valorem; on two-ply and three-ply ingrain carpet::;;, of which the warp is composed wholly of flotton, DC.

per ~quare yard, and in addi tion thereto, 20 per cent.
ad valO1'Am; stamped, painted or oil cloth for floors, printed, 25 per cent.

ad valorem; jnte, j utf', unmanufactured, and jute balls, manufactures of 20 per cent, ad valorem j flax, fibre, scutched, Ie.

per pound; flax, .fibrel hackled, 2c.

per pound; flax tow, 8cutcbed or green, ~c.

per pound; bread per oarrel; barley, 15c.

stuffs and Indian buckwheat, 10c.

oorn, 7~c.

per bushel; oats, IOc.

per bushel; rye, lOco per bushel; wheat,15e.

per per bushel; beans, 15c.


per bushel; hnck'''heat, meal and flour, -le.

per pOHnd; indian meal, 4:0c.

per barrel; oat meal, ic.

per pounLl ; rye flour, 50c.

per barrel; wheat flour, 50c.

per barrel; rice, Ie.

per pound; rice and sago flour, 2c.

per pound; barley malt, :2c.

per pound.

Dairy produce Butter, 4c.

per pound; cheese, 3c.

per pound j flax seed, 1Dc.

per bushel.

It is 400. per barrel proposed to impose on apples; they now pay 10 per cent.

On.

cranberries, prunes and quinces, SOc.


bushel; barrel; peas, IOc.

per 30c.

per bushel; per bushel; pefwI1es, 40c.

Ie.

per q uart ~ cherries anu cnrrents, and raspberries filberts, gooseberries, Ie.

strawberries, :2c.

per quart; grapes, per pound; hops, Ge.

per pound, instead of 5c.

; honeYI 3c.

per ponnd; meats fresh or salted, on the actual weight as recei veel in Canada, 1c.

per pound.
per pound.

At the dnty is collected on 185 present in the United to the barrel pounds 8tates, Which, when it reaches her-e, by the effect of the salting, weighs up to 200 pounds.

The duty no\v, therefore, ac cording to the old tariff weight, will be 1C.

per pound; bacon and hams, 2c.

per pound; meats not elsewhere specified, 2c.

per pound.

On lard, which is now it is proposed to charged at one cent, the duty lQc.

11e1' pound; fried make lard, 2e.

instead of Ie.

; trees, shrubs.


20pe1' cent; seeds for field and garden, 15 per cent.

beed in small paper parcels, there is a large quantity brought from the United States llUt up in small papers at vast labanI', the paper for which we tax 20 per cent.

and printing in same proportion, it is proposed to place them under a tariff of 25 per cent; potatoes, 10c.

per bushel; All per tomatoes, per cent., other now 10 20 per :Mannres, cent ad valorem.

of all kinds, free.
of all kinds, free.

We now come to the proposition in regard to spirits and wines.

Spirits and strong waters not having been sweetened or mixed ,vith any article, the degree of strength' thereof so that cannot be ascertained by Sykes' hvdrom eter, and so on in pro'pol~tion f;r any greater or less strength than proof, and foc' every greater- or less quantity than a gallon, rum, whiskey, Geneva gin and unenumerated artides of that kind, $1.32} per Imperial gallon, instead of $1.20.
Objection was taken to the proposition made by my IlOn.

prede cessor, to make the increase on brandy per gallon the same as on gin and \...-hisky, it is HOW proposed that brandy shall be increased 25c., or $ L45 per gallon; and that old Tom gin Le charged $1.

32} per I may here state that the pro gallon.

position which the Government will submit with reference to the excise, is an lOco per gallon on excise increase of leaving tobacco where it is at spirits, twist, present, which made will be 4c.
to per Canada leaf, from 10c.

to suggested viz :-Alcohol, vegetables Canadian It was reduced bushel.

pound.

except from the 424 Budget.

[COMMONS.]

Budget.

liquors and revenue.

in prefe;oence ChampagIl~ ani.

to Ie.

per pound.

now stands, acted au many of The Go\'ernment consid- half pint eu,:h or If WA propose to in- pose an additional duty.

is lower the Government that this migh~ be met cent.

ad valorem dllty imposed, leaving in another way, by imposing a small it 25c.
per gallon, 26 degrees of proof, and increased in proportion to stt'ength; duty on the imported leaf, in addition to the excise duty; but in the Unit6'd the same as in England.

On champagne, States they have reduced the excise duty the Government aske,d the House to im 'fhe duty, as it on tobacco to 16c.

crease ours be,yond 20c.
it would encour ex that than age smuggling, and we would loose legiti- the necessaries of It was I life, and lower than that imposed on the mate business decided not to impose an additional duty cheaper kin'ls of wines; and, in order upon the imported tobacco h.af, but to to equalise the rate of duty collected on meet it in this "ray, reducing the tobacco wines, there is no reason why champagne manufacture from the leaf of our own or spark ling wines should iF~ exempted growth to 4c.

per pound.
per pound.

A resolution from a fair contrihution to the revellu~ all will be submitted to recluce the duty on of the Dominion.

malt from 20. sparkling ,\Vln28 in bottles containing It is each not 11D1'e tlutn a quart, $:) per dozen estimated that the increased lOc.

a gaI- Ion on spirits will give over and above bottles; on bottles containing not more than what we lose on malt, $100,000 additional one pint.

$1.50 per dozen; containing a less, 75c.

per dozen, excise duty.


ered that it would be wise to encourage, and to it is aueled a duty of :10 pef cent.

if stimulants are to be used at all, tl18 ad valorem.

Bottles containing over a use of malt to quart each, will he charged in addition, spirits.

Spirits and strong waters sweet- $3 per dozen.

Liquors imported under the name of wine, containing more than so that the degree of en8d or mixed, 40 per cent.
strength of proof by Sykes' strength cannot be ascertainecl, namely, for rUlli, shruh, coruia]s, &c., $1.90 per gal- hydrometer shall duty, ~pirits.

Wines Ion; f-lt,irits or strong waters, f:parkling wines, in Canada, mixed with al'y ingredients, of all kinds, lemons, and, although coming under the denomi- including and nation of proprietary medicines, tinctures, straw berries, current Bssences, extraets, or any other uew)Il1i- per nation, are, nevertheless, deemed spirits cent.
or less of spirits of the strength to duty of proofuy Sykes' hydcometer, imported .and strong waters, and subject six quart and as such, $1.90 per gallon; cologne water in woO'd or bottl~s or t "Tel ve pint bottlAs to be held to conta.in spirits, and perfumed over an Imperial gallon, 25c.

per not ,'Or Imperial cent.

gallon, and 30 per cent.

cd v·alorem".

four each, 'Vines and fermented liquon.

\Vhen containing over 26 per eeut.

and the proceed- not over 31 per cent.

40c.


per Imperial state, at ings, the reasons that have influenced the gallon; when containing over 31 and not the proposed over 36 per cent., 55c.

per Imperial gal- Government to submit Ion; when containing over 36 an(l not :sale of duty on wines; one of the IJro- posals, submitted to the Government of over 40 per cent., 70c.

per Imperial France, through Sir A. T. Galt, was that gallon, and in addition to the above specific duty, 30 per cent.
per Imperial we would pbce a dllty on French wines, at the same rate precisely as that charged gallon.

l\falt liquors, when imported in bottles, six qnarts and twelve pint bot; in England, namely, 25c.

per gallon, or tIes to constitute an Imperial gallon, will Is.

sterling.

These negotiations, though not closed, we may hope, at no distant be cL~rged 18c.

per gallon.

When im ported in casks or otherwise than in botr ilay, will be successfully arranged.
There Oils, tIes, has been a difficulty between Spain and lOco per Imperial gallon.

England with reference to rates of duties linseed lard, 20 per cent.

ad valorem,.

impesed by each country on wines.

The or flaxseed, 25 per.

cent.

; neatsfoot, ~O proposition I am now about to make per cent.

; arrangE' wi th Spain and will, France, meet the circumstances of the case by the withdrawal of the 30 per remarks, saying: At six o'clock I was proceedini tallow, per pound, one cent.

After Recess.
After Recess.

non-enumerated except MR. TILLEY resumed his weighing per 40 flasks, ounces imported as elder, 26 raspberries, in bottles, containing stage of .

oranges, be rated ginger, I may if we wines, this in MIt.

TILLEY.

Budget.

[MARCH 14, 1879.]

Budget.

4:25 The representative cover for spirits, to the con- $11.

flowers which do not bear saltpett'e, 20 per dressed, 13 per cent.

in kegs and harrels, 4c.


; on in fat oil tv explain the propositions which the Gov- of, $5 per pound~ the cost being about ernment propose to 8n omit of British I take up the Columbia will be interested in this duty.

sideration of the House.

subject where I left off.


The llext arti- Perfum8ry, including preparations for the toilet, hair oils, powder, pomatum, cles are gunpowder and other explosives, and other perfumery preparations for the gUIl, rifle and sporting powder in kegs, half or qnal'ter kegs and small packages, bail', month or skin, 30 per cent.

j po 5c.
j po 5c.

per pound j on cannon and musket mades, French or flo WeI' odours, preserved tor conserving the odours of powder, canister powd(~r in pound and half-ponnd the heat of packages and tins, 15c.

; blasting and distillation, iI.D ported in tins of not less l'unning powder, 3e.

; on giant powder, than 10 pounds each, ad valorem, 15 per dynamite I1ncl other explosives, with nitfO- cent.
; medicines, or any medicine prera glfce~ine a~ ~ constitnent, 50. per pound, Il'ations.of wh~ch the recipe is kept a secret, and, III addItIOn 20 per cent.

ad valorem; or the u gredlCnts a secret, recom~:nended lier lb., and 20 per by a Lill or Iabe1, for the relief or cure of nitro-glycerine 10c.

imported any disorder, ill liquid form 50 per cent.

; cent.

ad valorem; salt, except from the United Kingdom or any and all others, 25 per cent., as at present.
for the use of the These medicines are at present often the British possession, or introduced under their sea and gulf fisheries wbich shall be free, in bulk, 8e.

per 100 poujHls; on barrels.

name-(the duty was formed) 25 per bags and other packages, 1:2c.

per 100 cent.

); artificial flowers, 30 per cent.

ad pounds; chemicals, nJedicines, paints and valOlem; feathers, ostrich and vulture, undressed, 15 per cent.

; dressed, 25 per oils, aeU, sulphuric, ~c.

as at present j cent.


j furs, hatters', not acetic, per 1mperial gallon, 12 cents; mu- in the skin, free; skins of all kinds, not dressed, free; riatic and nitric, ad valorern, 20 per (lel valorem; fars, cent.

j oxa,lic, free; cent., ad valorem; essential oils for man- capes, viz., caps, hats, mllff'3, coats, as manufactured in cloaks, &c., 25 ufacturing, 20 per ...:el1t.

; essences of ap- pIe, pear, pineapple, per cent.

; candles, tallow, 2c.

per pound; raspberry, stra,w- ·wax, 4 per cent.


; all others, berry, vanilla, and other per.

gallon, and a1, valorem of 20 per ad valorem" 20 per cent.

; India rubber and gutta perella.

unmanufactured, free; cent.

This is to cover the spirit duty.

ot her mannf,wtnres boots, Coal tar and coal pitch, 10 per cent.

([(1 0::' Illdia valorem~· varnish, bright and black, for pm'eha, and 25 pel' cent.
ad valol'em)· soap, common, all other not shipbuilders' use, brown, not perfumed, per poun], 1 cent; elsewhere specified, 20 cents per Irrlpel'ial yellO"", castile, and white, pel'f~med or per cent.

ad valorem.

gallon, and toilet, 25 per ceut.


'ld valorem, j starch, Colours-bichromate of potash, Llue, flour, black, scarlet, and all preparations of, 2 c. pel' pound, pulp, as at present; cordage for sl~ips, 10 per satin fiue - washed white, all other purposes, 20 per tramarine and umber raw, free; added cent.
; to this class, that were formerly dutiable, that, at the are Prussian blue, and one or two other opening of my remarks, 1 referred to a to treat colours; paints not elsewhere specified, proposition of the Governme;lt 20 per cent., ad valorem; putty, 25 per all articles manufactured in the Dominion, cent.

; ochres, dry or unground, washed and exported from it, in this way: there shall be a drawback on the materials or unwashed, not calcined, 10 per cent.
; spirits of turpentine, not enumerated, 20 used in manufactures, eqnal to the duty per cent., ad valorem.

Coal oils and paid, on the eyidence of their exportation.

they are; cod The proposition is to treat new vessels of their products remain as liver, medicated~ 20 per cent., ad valorem / every description as an export, duty sperm oil, 20 per cent.

; neatsfoot, olive paid on cordage to be exception.

er l salad, 20 per cent.


For, if we allow a drawback on it, we ad shall close up the establishments main of 20 ships.

crude, 20 per cent.

ad valorem; It is proposed to increase the duty on p1'e- cordage to 10 per cent., which duty ships pared for smoking, and all preparations for I may here state, and marone, Prnssian opium tained now by the seed, sulphate ad fmits, St.SO paraffine, shoes and ruL.bel' in including farina valorem ~.

per corn starch or supply for Paris and blue, u1- valorem ~.
quinine, tippets, sesame green, gutta cent.

free; cent.

the 20 ~26 Budget [COMMONS.]

Budget.

would h'lye to pay; hut iron in pig, bolts and blooms, on paying duty and being used in vessels, "\yould have the duty paid hack.

So, practically, ships will be regarded like all other articles exported, all duties being returned to the builder.

'Vhat size of l\lEl\lBER: An HON.

ships?

been from apparent that, heen J\IR.

TILLEY: All sizes and descrip "Ve propose 10 per cent.

duty on tions.
duty on tions.

all foreign vessels seeking registration in the Dominion.

This extends to all parts of the Dominion.

As regards the pro if I posed dnty on sugar and molasses, occupy the attention of the House for a few moments, I am sure you will pardon me, for it is one of the most difficult questions with which any Govemment can possibly have to diml.
'Ve know there has been great dissatisfaction in the United States as to the mode of levying the duty there j it has been purely specific, levied npon Dutch standard, two and five for all below seven, till it reaches a duty of five cents per pound specific.

that arising Dissalisfaction in that system has sev country.
Notwithstanding eral ap have commissions this question, alld that J)ointed to treat Mr. 'Yells, one of the ablest men in the United States, has been asked by the sugar re£ners and importers to report on it, and that a very able and elauorate report was submitted; notwithstanding that a proposition bas been recently be ,fore Congress with reference to this in the mode of question, no change levying the duty has been made.
There l!eeIDS 110 probability of their arriving at any other conclusion than a specific I will say, for the information of duty.

]lOn.

members who may have studied this question, th~t tIle rate of duty imposed in the United States is From No.

under the Dutch standard.

It 7 down they pav the lowest duty.

has been found the very best.

Almost pure sugar, alllounting to 96 per cent., or even above that, had been admitted at a these circnm low mte of duty.
Under stances the refinGr would receive a draw back of three dollars per 100 Ibs.

on which he had paid.

but $2.15.

This principle of specific duty is fonnd to work injuriously in many respects, but still Congress has not repealed or changed it.

There haVf~ been very stronO' arcruments not MR. TILLEY.

0 0 I in that interested country in do not hesitate favour of used ad valorem duty, and in the Dominion as well.

to say that many of the arguments are most cogent lVII'.

Wells takes the in many respects.


line that the ad valoren~ principle is the I may sa}?

that, after inves proper one.

if you adopt the tigating this matter, ad valorem duty at all, it can best be done in the manner which we propose to do in tbis case.

There is a lll::>de in which you can test certain classes of sugar by means of an instrument, the polaris It is used satisfactorily for the cope.
purpose of testing all the classes of sugar below number 9, or in fact below number 13, especially the low class of sugar, but fails when applied to the yellow refined largely mixed with glucose.

sugars in Gentlemen who were the importing of that class of sugar were I in favour of ad valorem duties.
might say if they applied ad valm'em duties solely they would find that the 'Vest India sugar of a bright good charac ter, would be met by this yellow refinecl adulterated article, in appearance better than the 'Vest India suO'al's.
Under these circumstances, seeing the difficulty on bo~h sides, the difficulty in imposing ~ speCIfic duty, and the difficulty in ap plying the ad valm'em principle, the lat ter having, admit, some advantages; still, feeling that that article came in and impor competed successfully with our tation of good grocer's sugar, the Govern ment have fallen back on the proposition submitted in 1868, viz: a mixed duty, specific and ad va1orem, there has been naturally a difference of opinion between the importers of sugar and refiners, in reference to the point at whi~h additional duty should take place.
At the present time the higher rate of dnty took place at or above No.

13.

The refiners were anx.ious to continue it at No.

13 whilst the Importers desired it at a little higher.

We have made a compromise and put it at No.

14.

On all sugar abo've No.

14, Dntch standard in colour, Ie.

per pound, valorem.

cent.

and all That sugar.

to No.9, On sugar equal and not above No.

14, three-quarters of a cent.

per pound, and 30 per CAr~t.

ad valorem.


the dif I call attention to the fact that ference to the refiners is 5 per cent., that all below No.

14 have an ad valorem per :~5 covered ad refined . '

I 0 Budget.

[MARCH 14, 1879.]

Budget.

427 of in the \Ve and come, direct to the valO1·em.

imported to cent.

present duty early part of pay giving The House will tea.

prepared, ad 1\11'.

Chairman, Sugar, not a duty additional able to make additional articls.
from the the I made imported day, to hear that from the duty of 35 per cent., glVlllg to the re- when country of gr.

)wth and production, 15 finers 5 per cent.

On sugar below No.

:Lalf a cent.

per pound, and 30 per per ce~t.

The same, when not imported g, the ad direct from the c0untry of growth and cent ad valorem, provided that Tl.is will be a fJalorem duty shall be levied and collected production, 20 per cent.
on sugar and melado, when imported loss to the revenue of something like direct from the country of growth and $90,000 or $100,000; bnt we will be production, npon the fair market value that up, and more, from thereof, at the place of purchase, with- taxation imposed on other Sugar candy, brown Or white, the cost of hogs- out any addition for heads, or other packages or charges, not and confectionery.. Ie.

per pound, and 35 including export duty, expenses per cent.

ad valorem).
ad valorem).

G:ucose, or grape prior to shipment j anything contained sugar, to be classed and rated for duty as sugar, according to grade, by Dutch in section 34 of the Act 4(~th Vic., chap.

It ill colour.

Glucose syrup 35 standard, 10, to the contrary notwithstanding.

now means this, that all sugar imported direct per cent.

article from the 'Vest Indies to the Domini(lfi probably shall pay no duty upon packages and of statements ordinary charges.

We haye added five be cent.


the per ~5 the Government pro per on the pose to ask Parliament to reimpose a duty direct, will enconr- of 10 per cent.

on tea coming from the packages, agement to our direct West India trade.

United Rtates.

I may be pardoned for saying that I think it was a great mis Syrups, cane juice, refined syrup, sugar- house syrup, syrup of sugar, syrup of take on the part of my predecessor in molasses or sorghum, five-eighths of Ie.
standing so firmly and refusing to re-im per pound ad valorem.

Melado, ooncen- pose this additional duty on tea) and I trated melado, concentrated cane juice, believe that this House is prepared for a ooncentrated molasses, concentrated beet- reversal of is our that decision.

intention to ask Parliament to re-imposo root juice, and concrete, three-eighths of Ie.

per pound, and 30 per cent.

ad valo- a sneeific and ad valorem duty, instead of It is estimated, taking the sugar.

the.!.

5c.
the.!.

5c.

per pound now c~llected.

A rem.

that was imported last year, as shown in specific duty of 2c.

pel' pound on black, this altering of and 3c.

on green and ,Tapan, and 10 per the returns made, that the duties will yield $~OO,OOO less than cent.

ad v(dorern.

The result of uur under the existing tariff, through having poliey in that direction will he to de no duty on packages remitted.
Molasses, the revenue, say ~ used for refining, clarifying -:>1' rectify- $100,000, as tho cost of the tea, when imported direct, is less than if bought in mg purposes, or Rugal', when imported direct ~c.

per country of growth and production, 25 pound; roasted or ground, and all imita per cent.

ad valorem.

Molasses for the tions of and substitutes for, 3c.

per pound.

Bame purposes, when not imported direct Oocoa paste and chocolate, not sweetened, f~om the country of growth and produc- 20 per cent.
ad valorem; cocoa.

paste, preparations of chocolate, tion, 30 per cent.

of courage cocoa, when containing sugar, 1c.

per see why pound and 25 per cent ad valO1'em.

lasses ~ere was extr~lOrdinary Now, 1\11'.


Chairman, I have not taken discrepancy in the value of molasses irn- np every article on which we pr?po~e lto ported intp the different Provinces, 1878. change the rate of duty, ana, III oraer the Hon.=e and the country may It was, perhaps, owing, that to some extent, to the fact that read the free shall most inferior description of molasses, the list, because, unless I do so, it may be refuse which New York and.
Boston re- supposed that all the articles that I have freo list.

finers, sent into this country, and it was not mentioned are in the to prevent, as much as possible, the im- Animals for the improvement of stock; IJ.Ortation of such molasses that a distinc-!

ancrer j antimony; ashes, pot, pearl and tion is made.

Molasses, if not so.

used soda; apparel, wearing and other appal el; This importation cannot an the very blackest and not be led astray, I from the New York.
cr(',1se, to some extent, the manufacture of Coffee, green, to en- 1110- the direct.

and other such for It is I 428 Budget.

[COMMONS.]

Budget.

cabinets cotton waste foreign consuls, of household effects, not merchandise; the Go arsenic; articles for the use of vernor-General, army and navy, army clothing, musical instru ments.

military stores, etc.

; bamboo reeds, no further manufactured than cut into suitable lengths for walking-stick~.
; ; canes, in sticks for umbrellas, parasols and snn shades; bamboo, unma11l1factlll'ed; bar rels for Canadian manufactures, exported and filled with domestic netroleum ~ll(l re turneu; bells for church~s, bismuth, bone the manufacture of manure, ash for bromide, bullion, gold and silver; bich romate of potash, carriages laden with of ollins merchandise, and models, caliVUSS fat· the manl1f,wturc of fioorcloth, gutta percLa, cat-gut strings for musical instruments, citrons and rinds for candy; clothing, being donations for charitable pnrposes; coins, gold and silver, except United States silver coin; and communion plate, cotton 'wool: diamonds unset, including hlack diamonds; dyeing or tin ting al'ticles in a crude state; earths, grass and pulp for the mannfacture of paper, vegetable for manufacturing purposes, fish fibre bait, fishing tackle, lines, fish-l100ks, ginsing root, golJ beaters' moulds, grease rnanufac'ouring and gre'3.se scraps, purposes; gravels, guano and other ani mal or vegetahle manures, gums, gum arahic, hemlock bark, hemp undressed, hides raw, horse hair, india rubber, indigo, isinglass, glue, for ivory, ships or h:trges, iron ca bles and chains over one-half inch in length, shackled or unshackled; jute, liquorice, roots, lemons and rinds of lemons for candying; logs round, and unmanufactured till~ber not otherwise provided for; lumber, plank and boards sawn, Of' hox.
wood, ptch pine; Spanish cedar, oak, hickory and white wood not shaped, planed or other wise manufactnred; locomotives, passen gers' baggage passing from one country into another, vanilla grass, mica, mineral specimens, models of invention and other improvemrmts in the arts; Iceland moss, hOlses, cattle, carriages, harness, under regulations to be provided by the Minis ter of Customs; machinery for worsted and cotton mills of kinds that are not 'rhere is an manufactured in Canada.
exception macle in this case, because we have no cotton machinery in the country, in and not likely to have; therefor-e, iron masts for MR. TILLEY.

for use rosin, scientific turpentine, philoscphical including the silicate and flour, I have :10t touched upon all instruments globes; of of soda, tampico, unmanufactured, order to encl)urage this industry, it is .

proposed to make them free.
Nit rate of soda, nut galls, newspapers, cocoa-nut oil, palm oil, palm-leaf oil, carbolic oils, used in the manufacture of wooden pavement; wood for building and railroad purposes, oxalic acid, mother of pead unmanufac and tured, apparatus, when colleges, imported schools, and literary socie ties; phosphorus, pitch pine, Ijlaster of Paris, pummice and pummice stJne, pre cipitate of copper, rags of cotton, paper the waste, and waste of any kind for rhubarb manufa.ctnre of paper; flower, skins root, saffron anJ saffron undressed, sulphur tanner'e in roll for tohacco bark, conditions of excise purposes, under Act 31 Vict.
chap 31 ; tortoise and other shells, traveller's baggage uncleI' regulations, blue vitriol, verdigris, vegetable fibres, whiting, whalebone un in cask in the manufactured, whale oil condition in which it was first landed; wool.

the chaFlges we propose to make, and they will be careful1y read, no dOll bt, from the Chair, bnt I have dealt with the larger It appears to and more important ones.
me, Mr. Chairman, the Govern ment havtl think agree with me the House will or whether to the policy that we were carry ont pledged to inaugurate.

We hJ,ve en deavoured to meet every possible interest -the mining, the manufacturing, and the \Ve have endear agricultural interests.

voured to assist onr shipping and ship building interest, which is in a very de pressed condition.
We have endeavoured not to injure the lumber interest, because they now have a very important article used by their people at about the same rate of duty they had it before-1 refer to pork.

They have tea at a cheaper they have molasses price than before; articles enter largely cheaper.

These into consumption with them.


They have, as have-every other class of exporters in the Dominion, many advantages under the pr'opositions thai we are abont to submit that they did not enjoy befo~ in the interest of lumbermen and of com merce generally.

The present Govern- thnt endeavoured, and I successfully uot - Budget.

[MARCH 14, 1879.]

Budget.


429 of of the the the und that the in shipping, in than from this the Dominion absolutelv export;r the ment, as well as our predecessors, llave expended large sums of money for the improvement of the navigation of our rivers and of our ccast, by the erection of lightbouses, and:Ut their maintenance.

Thill, of course, is an advantage to the shipping interests as well.
A proposi is to be submitted to the House, which JOu will find in the Estimates, of extend ing a telegraph down the St. Lawrence.

This proposition was submitted to the people of by that able and experienced gentleman, a member of this B onse.

I need not name him, be cause the interest he has taken is well known.

This proposition is in the inter est of commerce, and of our shipping, It is in the inter and of humanity.
est of every industry that exports any country to the old article world, because an expenditure of this kind will reduce the rate of charges in "ihe shape of insurance and other charges is on interest more in of the terest ship.
owner But while we have been looking around to see what new modes of taxation might be used in raising additional revenue and you will observe, Sir, that, by these propositions, we are resorting to no new mode of taxation-it was suggested that the shipping interest might fairly contri the maintenance of the bute towards In olden times they did contri lights.

In some of the Provinces, before bute.


the Union, we obtained a sufficient amount from the shipping to maintain these lights, and the hospitals for sick and disabled seamen; but we thought it desirable to give the owners of shipping and the exporters, and, indeed, the im porters, and the commerce of the country, In our the advantage of free lights.
policy, as just propounded, we have dealt with the agricultural interest, the mining interest, the shipping interest, indirectly with and interest, interests, wit.hout with any all upon at touching other interest; and it does appear to me, Sir, that we have now arrived at the time when it becomes necessary for this coun try, for this Parliament to decide '\\hether we are to remain in the position we now occupy, with a certainty that, within two years, with the existing laws upon our Statue-book, almost every mallufac- the very many heavily lumbering be small simply time has be simply agriculturists turing industry in the country will be closed up, and the money invested in them lost.
The arrive~, I think, when it will become onr duty to decide whether the thousands of men throughout the length aIld breadth of this country who are UlJemployed, shall seek employment in another country, or shall the tim3 has find it in this Dominion j arrived when we are to decide whether we will hewers of wood and drawers of water; whether we will rais ing wheat, and lumbermen producing more lumber than \Ve can UBe, or Great Britain and the U niteu States will take from us at remunerative prices; whether we will cO!lfine our attention to the fisheries in and certain other dustries, and cease to be what we have been, and not ri~e to be what I believe ';ve are destined to be under wise and j u dicious legislation, or' whether we wiiI inallgUlate a poli<!y that will, by its pro the visions, say to the country, we will give you sufficient pro tection; we will give you a market for what you can produce; we will say that.
while our neighbours huild up a Chinese wall, we will impose a reasonable duty on their products this country; at all events, we will maintain for onr agricultural and other produc tions, largely, the market of ourown Do minion.
The time bas certl.inly arriVEd when we must consider whether we will allow matters to remain as they are, with the unim portant and uninteresting portion of Her Majesty's Dominions, or will rise to the position, which, I believe Providence haH destined us to occupy, by means which, I though I may be over sangu believe, ine, which my colleagues believe, though sanguine, which they may be over the calcu believes country lated to bring proE:perity and happiness to the people, to give employment to the thousands who are unoccnpied, and to make this a great and prosperous country, as we all desir.
; and hope it will be.

industries of coming into result being are an of MR. I\IAOKENZIE: 'Vill ~he hon.

crentleman give us an eStimate of the ~evenne of the coming year ~ We have heard nothing of that.

MR. TILLEY: obliged to my hon.

aware that I had passed it over.

am very much I was not I have I friend.

430 Budget.

[COM:MONS.]

Budget.

II f I I $ I \ I , I .

and, 322,000\ 1879-80., Canals 4,972,000 .


I Excise (1878-1 670,000 600,000 I very well I 358,0001 , •••• \ I 1 (1879-80), ,!14,OOO,00D I 4,891,400,1 80) ....•.

'1' 4,614,000 OI~IGINAL EST;MATE, 1878-79. those resolutions, Sir, Excise Rey- enue of this i year call ect-l ed in 187S-HI on I lm'estmenti :MiscellaneousI' Exdse (1879-[ and: minor Pnb-i lic works.I.........

EXCIse Less of 1879-801 at old rates!


colle C tedl this year.. 1 I C U 8 tom 8 1 h8re a comparative s~ate:nent, '",hich I will read : - I' , 79) •.

~ ..:.\ 5,213,40°1 !

I 1878-71.

I-$--\-$-e I 445.000\ 450,000 Railways .... .•••..... \ 1,481.00°11,500,000 , •••....• I 1,200.000 I 1,200,000 Post Office.. 190.000I Bill Stamps 200,000 Interest l\fR.
CARTWRIGHT: Defore you I desire to put make a few remarks upon the statement we have just heard, and also upon the general policy w~lich is now, for the firsl time, propounded to a Canadian Legisla It will not surprise you, Mr. tnre.

Chairman, or tho"e of my han.


ft-iends who, in former days, were members of if I the House of Commons of 1873, if venture to hint to tbis House that, we are to J'ndge of the lwesent by the 700,000 though 600,000 past, we may very well doubt, we have got the Budget speech, \vhether we ha \Te got the Budget itself after all.
recollect the circum Sir, stances atte~dant on the delivpry of the Budget speech of 1873; if ever there was an occasion when a Canadian Minister of Finance onght to have made a full and frank statement to the House of Oommons, it was at the moment when we were committing 0111'8el \Yes to a huge host of enterprises which every man who ktww anything whatever of the real state of Canadq, knew must tax our resources to the yery uttermost.

How did the hon.
gentleman ful hI his trust on that 00 casio1l1 Hetold the House to-day, and truly that he was complimented by enough, gentlemen on this side of the House on the mode in which he fulfilled his task; the House that he but he failed to tell under obtained their true false pretences; statement which was ultimately sub mitted to the House been made then; appeared had as in the that Session bp,en known at that time, never would a Budget have been so determinedly fought I desire on the floor of the House of Commons hon.
the Budget which Fortu gentleman cir· peculiar very be better explained as we carne to the character wholly diverted public atten items.

tion from the Budget he then submitted; estimate an increase from the operation and his subsequent retirement from pnb of this new tariff of ~2,200,OOO.
The lie life makes this practically the first exceedingly puhlic occasion on which he can be taken Government the mode in which he then anxious, heavy as the imposition of some of the taxes are, that in the future we performed his duty.

Sir, that hon.

gen tIeman, in 1873, made a Budget speech, shall bave no deficits.
The credit of the in which he informed us tha.t the total conntl'y requires, and we bt>lieve the expenditure in tbat year 'vould amollnt country will justify us in collectiner snch the l'equire~ents to $20, !

'41, j 83,against estimated receipti a revenue as will meet I of $21,740,000, leaving an apparent sur of the country.

as gentleman nately for MR. TILLEY: I thought that would cum stances was rather an estimate of the products expected under fiscal the chanzes.
Customs Rcv-I enue OfthiSI year co1- Jected in 1878-79 .... , C U 8 to msil L e s s Cus- 0 fl tom S 1879·80 col-· lectcd thisI year.

• • • • • ~-I-­ 21,670,400 24,122,000 submitted.

han.

a :MR. MAOKENZIE: What (1878-79')'1 12,640,000 l)owever, that we then that of 1----112,140,0001 facts closing commendations that, had the I may state, to task for proposed days of ;14,500,000 I I I !

i I I I i 500,000 1 500,000 have been they the the I I , I 'I II M.R.

TILLEY.