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THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT MONDAY 28 FEBRUARY 2022 MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO: 205 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon.

Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP.

DEPUTY SPEAKER Hon.

P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP.

(Tonota) Clerk of the National Assembly Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly Acting Learned Parliamentary Counsel Assistant Clerk (E) His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP.

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP.


(Boteti West) CABINET - President - Vice President - Ms B. N. Dithapo - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe - Advocate L. O. Tlhowe - Mr R. Josiah Hon.

K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP.

(Molepolole South) - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

K. T. Mmusi, MP.

(Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon.

Dr L. Kwape, MP.

(Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon.

K. K. Autlwetse, MP.


(Specially Elected) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon.

K. S. Gare, MP.

(Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

P. K. Kereng, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism Hon.

Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP.

(Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon.

T.M.

Segokgo, MP.

(Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon.

K. Mzwinila, MP.
K. Mzwinila, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon.

T. M. Rakgare, MP.

(Mogoditshane) - Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development Hon.

A. M. Mokgethi, MP.

(Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon.

P. O. Serame, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon.

F. M. M. Molao, MP.

(Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Hon.

Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP.


(Tati East) Hon.

L. M. Moagi, MP.

(Ramotswa) - Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology - Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security Hon.

M. Kgafela, MP.

(Mochudi West) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

M. R. Shamukuni, MP.

(Chobe) - Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development Hon.

E. M. Molale, MP.

(Goodhope-Mabule) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development Hon.
D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP.

(Gaborone South) - Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

S. N. Modukanele, MP.

(Lerala -Maunatlala) Hon.

T. Monnakgotla, MP.

(Kgalagadi North) Hon.

M. M. Pule, MP.

(Mochudi East) Hon.

M. S. Molebatsi, MP.


(Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

S. Lelatisitswe, MP.

(Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness Hon.

N. W. T. Makwinja, MP.

(Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education Hon.

B. Manake, MP.
B. Manake, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

H. B. Billy, MP.

(Francistown East) Hon.

A. Lesaso, MP.

(Shoshong) - Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES Names Constituency Hon.

L. Kablay, MP.

(Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon.

Dr U. Dow, MP.

Hon.


P. Majaga, MP.

Hon.

M. Balopi, MP.

Hon.

J. S. Brooks, MP.

Hon.

C. Greeff, MP.

Hon.

T. Letsholo, MP.

Hon.

T. F. Leuwe, MP.

Hon.

T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP.

Hon.

Dr T. Matsheka, MP.

Hon.

S. N. Moabi, MP.

Hon.

P. K. Motaosane, MP.

Hon.

O. Regoeng, MP.

Hon.

J. L. Thiite, MP.


Specially Elected Nata-Gweta Gaborone North Kgalagadi South Gaborone Bonnington South Kanye North Takatokwane Gaborone Central Lobatse Tati West Thamaga-Kumakwane Molepolole North Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon.

D. Saleshando, MP.

(Leader of the Opposition) Hon.

M. G. J. Motsamai, MP.


(Opposition Whip) Maun West Ghanzi South Selebi Phikwe West Mahalapye East Sefhare-Ramokgonami Ngami Okavango Maun East Bobonong Selebi Phikwe East Palapye Nkange Mahalapye West Francistown West Hon.

D. L. Keorapetse, MP.

Hon.

Y. Boko, MP.

Hon.

Dr K. Gobotswang, MP.

Hon.

C. K. Hikuama, MP.

Hon.

K. K. Kapinga, MP Hon.

G. Kekgonegile, MP.

Hon.

T. B. Lucas, MP.

Hon.

K. Nkawana, MP.

Hon.

O. Ramogapi, MP.

Hon.

Dr N. Tshabang, MP.

Hon.

D. Tshere, MP.

Hon.


M. I. Moswaane, MP.

Hon.

T. S. Khama, MP.

Hon.

L. Lesedi, MP.

Hon.

B. Mathoothe, MP.

Hon.

M. Reatile, MP.

(Botswana Patriotic Front) Serowe West Serowe South Serowe North Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon.

W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.
W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.

Francistown South (Alliance for Progressives) TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT MONDAY 28th FEBRUARY, 2022 CONTENTS PAGE (S QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...................................................................................................................1-8 APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY Organisation 0100 - Parliament..............................................................................................................................9-27 Organisation 0200 -Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration...............................................28-39 Monday 28th February, 2022 THE ASSEMBLY met at 2:00 p.m. (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) P R A Y E R S * * * * QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER FREEDOM OF INFORMATION LAW MR D. SALESHANDO (MAUN WEST): asked the Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration to state progress made to introduce a Freedom of Information Law following the assurance by his ministry in 2015 that they were at an advanced stage in formulating the law.
ASSISTANT MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION (MR MTHIMKHULU): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, following consultations with all stakeholders with regard to Freedom of Information Law, all preliminary legislative processes have since been completed.

The intention is to have the Bill tabled during the 2022 Winter Session of Parliament.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR SALESHANDO: Supplementary.


Ke a utlwa gore Tona a re ba tlaa e tlisa ka June or Winter Session ya ngwaga one o. Ke mo gakolole gape gore pele fa a araba, go kile ga araba yo e leng Tautona gompieno, Tautona Mokgweetsi Masisi a santse a le Tona wa Presidential Affairs, yo le ene a neng a araba jaaka wena ka bokhutshwane ka di 24 February, 2014.

Question 24, a re, “further, we intend to table such a Bill before Parliament during the coming Winter Session.” Le ene o ne a re, Winter Session ka 2014.
Jaanong ke kopa go botsa Tona gore fa e le karabo ya ga Tona Mokgweetsi Masisi wa nako eo a re Winter Session ya 2014, le ene a re, Winter Session ya 2022, re dumele ofe?

Go na le se se setseng se kile sa buiwa gape ka 2020; go ne go bua President a buisa babegadikgang a re, “it will be brought to Parliament very soon.” A bua ka 2020, a ipoeletsa.

Jaanong o rile 2014, a re 2020, wena wa re 2022.

Fa e le wena le dikarabo tsa ga Rre Masisi yo e leng Tautona gompieno, re dumele dife?
MR MTHIMKHULU: Go dumelwe dikarabo tsotlhe ka bobedi.

That was the intention of Government back then fa the then Minister for Presidential Affairs yo e leng gore gompieno ke Tautona wa lefatshe a re, Bill e, e etla ka Winter Session.

The Bill has always been there, it is there.

It has been finalised.

E tlaa tla Palamenteng as we have promised.

O batla ke go bolelele gore ke eng e ne e sa tle ka nako ya fa Masisi e le Tona, e ise e nne President.
There may be reasons why it was not brought up and you know some of them Honourable Saleshando.

MR SALESHANDO: Further supplementary.

Fa o bona go le thata go itse gore re tsamaye le ofe; Minister Masisi nako ya teng o ne a bua gore, the Bill has completed the process ya to draft molao one o. Pele fa o araba gompieno, go arabile Rre Morwaeng last year, ene a re, “the ministry has started consultations on the drafting of the instructions.” Fa e le Tona Morwaeng, wena le Tautona Masisi, re dumele mang?
Ga e ka ke ya re Rre Masisi a rile drafting e dirilwe ka 2014, lona le re ka 2021, e le Rre Morwaeng a araba, a bo a re ke gone go dirwang draft.

What have you drafted re tle re itse gore indeed jaanong le ready to present ka kgwedi ya June- July Palamente e tsena?

MR MTHIMKHULU: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, Bill e go neng go buiwa ka yone ke President Masisi nako ya fa e le Tona e teng, it has long been drafted.

It was correct, it has been there.


It needs to go through Cabinet to be processed and then an instruction will come from Cabinet that it can now be published and sent to Parliament.

That is the process of bringing Bills before Parliament.

Go tsamaya jalo.

Jaanong nako eo ya fa e sena go dirwa, a bo e felela e sa tla Cabinet go supa gore sengwe mo tseleng se ne sa ema gore e se ka ya goroga mo Palamenteng.
Jaaka Rre Morwaeng a ne a bua last year fa re goroga under Rre Masisi because he had made that pledge, he knew he made that pledge, and he still knows today gore he had made that pledge, this Bill will be brought to Parliament.

Jaanong re ne re ka se ke re e tseye e ntse fela jalo, re bo re tla re tlhamaletse ka yone mo Palamenteng le Rre Morwaeng.

We needed to consult relevant stakeholders to make sure gore we are on board with them.

That was that.
That was that.

We are saying, that process is complete and we can guarantee you, we can assure you here now, that our intention is to bring it to Parliament.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

MR LUCAS: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke tsaya gore potso ya ga Rre Saleshando e supile gore ga go na tlhwaafalo ya go diragatsa molao o. Dingwaga di fetile di le eight gotwe molao o tlaa diragadiwa ka Mariga.
Potso e ke e botsang ke gore tiego e e kanakana, e e teng mo go diragatseng molao o, a o a tlhaloganya 1 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Tona gore go raya eng fa o diega ka bokete jo bo kana mo go diragetseng molao wa mofuta o?

A o a itse gore molao wa mofuta o go supagetse gore fa o le teng mo lefatsheng, o ka thusa le mo go lwantsheng corruption ka gore people will be demanding information ya makalana a Puso?
A o a lemoga gore fa o ntse o diega, go raya gore o diega le gone go lwantsha corruption?

Sa bobedi, a o a itse gore ba Directorate on Corruption and Economic Crime (DCEC) ka makgetho a mantsi, ba ikuetse gore go nne le molao wa mofuta one o, wa Freedom of Information o tle o ba thuse go tsamaisa ditlhotlhomiso tsa bone mo economic crime?

Sa boraro, re ntse re fetisa melao maloba e e lekang go lwantsha money laundering, terrorism financing le proliferation financing.
A o a itse gore molao o o tshwanang le o, wa Freedom of Information Act fa o le teng, o ka re thusa mo go bonalang go tlhomamisa gore melao eo e a diragadiwa, e bile e nna le maduo?

Ke a leboga rraetsho.

MR MTHIMKHULU: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke dumalana le wena Honourable Lucas gore molao o, o ka thusa go lwantsha corruption.

It can be one of the tools that can assist in the fight against corruption.

O itse gore melao ya maloba e dirwa e farologana thata le molao o re o tlisang gompieno.
Melao ya maloba re e tlisa mo Palamenteng ka potlako, e tla because of certain timelines that were not set by us but were set by the international community, not set ke rona.

Jaanong gape ke boele gape kwa kgannyeng ya me gore kana rona le itse gore we are the Government has pledged to fight corruption.

This is one of the pledges tsa ga His Excellency the President Rre Masisi, and we will do everything to do that.

We believe a raft of laws have been passed in the past tse di lebaganeng le corruption.
So, ga se molao o fela, re fetesitse the Declaration of Assets law.

E ne e ntse e seyo e padile go tla, re tlile ka yone ya pasa.

We also assure you here again that molao o wa Freedom of Information le one o tlaa pasa, o tlaa tla fa Palameteng.

These are the pledges tse di dirilweng ke Rre Masisi.

Ke dilo tse re neng re di batla in the past administration tse di neng di pala go tla tse e leng gore e rile His Excellency a tsaya boeteledipele jwa lefatshe a bo a re o tlaa di dira.
O simolotse go di dira e bile o tsweletse o a di dira.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go ne go gana Khama?

MR MTHIMKHULU: O a itse gakere?

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Wa itse Domkrag e senya lefatshe, go tlhakatlhakane.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O se ka wa re tlisetse diswaswa tsa molao, ga re batle diswaswa.

MR RAMOGAPI: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga Tona ka dikarabo tse o ntseng o di fa.


Ke ne ke re Tona o tsepame sentle o re bo re go gakolole sentle gore a o a lemoga gore Tautona Masisi o na le dingwaga di le four mo setilong?

Molao o o na le dingwaga di le eight go ntse gotwe o kwadilwe (drafted).

Mo go rayang gore tse four tse dingwe fa e le gore you are blaming shift, dingwe ke tsa Tautona wa pele Khama.
Tse four tse dingwe tse di diegileng ka gore o sale a tsaya setilo ka 2018, go tlaabo go raya gore e diilwe ke Goromente wa gompieno wa ga Rre Masisi.

A o a lemoga selo seo Tona?


Kgang ya bobedi ke gore a o a lemoga gore mme bobegadikgang ka bophara bo sale bo tla bo ikuela bo re bo batla Freedom of Information, mme lona le bo le tla ka molao o o reng fa motho a ka bo a ntsha sephiri mo Declaration of Assets a atlholelwe botshelo jotlhe mo kgolegelegong a bo a duele bo P1 million ka fa e neng e ntse ka teng?

A tota o a lemoga gore dilo tse di a gotlhagotlhana?
Le ntshitse molao o mongwe ka fa o o reng fa motho a ka bo a rothisa mmutla madi ka assets tsa ga ope fela Mopalamente kana Minister, a atlholwe madi a a tsitsibanyang mmele.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR MTHIMKHULU: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Honourable Ramogapi, o tshwanetse go itse gore ever since Rre Masisi a tsaya Puso a nna moeteledipele wa Puso, ga gona epe Palamente e e kileng ya tsena ya feta Palamente e sena tiro e e sa fetise melao fa pele ga yone.
This Parliament has always been busy and melao e mentsi ever since Rre Masisi a tsaya Puso, e e fetileng fa Palamenteng, e e tseneng mo Palamenteng e mentsi thata.

Melao ya teng e dira dilo tse dintsi tse Batswana ba ntseng ba di batla.

This is the Government that delivers on its pledges and it will continue to deliver on them Rre Ramogapi and you know it.

That is why maloba ke ne ke le bolelela gore you do not even admit where you see the Government has done right, it delivers.
We are doing it, this Bill e etla ka June ka Winter Session.

Jaanong e ya Declaration of Assets, o ne o le teng mo Palamenteng fa e ngangiwa this section, e fetisitswe ke Palamente, ga e a fetisiwa ke Cabinet, it is this Parliament that voted that Bill into law.

It became law because we voted it, we debated and passed it gore e nne the Declaration of Assets law.
I do not know now 2 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER gore why do you come here when had the opportunity when this Parliament debated the law and passed it?

You come here and then you blame the Government of His Excellency the President Masisi.

I think if anything, we should blame ourselves in this Parliament, all of us.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

The first avenue is through the annual budget.


In terms of our planning processes, new programmes and projects not included in the NDPs can be introduced at the time of the preparation of the annual budgets which are subsequently approved by Parliament.

Opportunities in this window are very limited as only so much can be done in a year.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)...
ELECTORAL PLEDGES MR M. BALOPI (GABORONE NORTH): asked the Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration whether he is aware that several electoral pledges of the ruling party never make it into the development plans of the country and further state: (i) what measures, if any, are in place or in the pipeline to ensure that pledges against which the ruling party was elected into Government are incorporated into development plans; (ii) whether Government will not consider setting up a permanent structure where the ruling party and Government can occasionally consider areas where alignment of manifesto pledges and development plans can be made.
ASSISTANT MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION (MR MTHIMKHULU): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, I can confirm that the bigger proportion of the electoral pledges of ruling party are incorporated within the medium term National Development Plans (NDPs) of the country.

There are however, those which are not due to misalignment of cycles between the national development planning and national elections processes.
For example, the National Development Plan (NDP)11 started implementation during the 1st April 2017 to 31st March 2023.

The last national elections were held in October 2019 in the middle of the third year of NDP 11 and during the seventh month of financial year 2019/2020.

NDP 11 was approved by the National Assembly in December 2016.
However, Mr Speaker, despite the misalignment between the national development planning and national election processes, there are two opportunities to introduce new programmes and projects into the NDPs to accommodate the pledges by the ruling party.

These two avenues have been used to incorporate the pledges within the National Development Planning Framework.

The second channel of introducing new programmes and projects into the existing NDP is through the medium- term review of such plan.
Medium-Term Review (MTR) of the NDPs therefore provides a meaningful opportunity for the ruling party to get their election promises into the current plan subject to availability of resources and implementation capacity.

An example is the project to dual the A1 road.

It was initially not part of the NDP 11, but was introduced during the MTR of NDP 11 which was approved by the National Assembly in July 2020 during the financial year 2020/2021.

This is especially true for other development projects.
These include hospitals, clinics, roads, water, electrification, village connectivity and many other social physical infrastructure projects.

This is the area that suffers most from the misalignment of the national elections and NDPs cycles.

The situation is different for programmes funded under Recurrent Budget.

This can be accommodated in the next financial year after the general elections.

Again, opportunities during this window are very limited as only so much can be done in a year.
Mr Speaker, discussions on the possible alignment of the general election and NDPs cycles have been held before and continue to take place within Government to find a permanent solution to this situation.

As the Honourable Member of Parliament could recall, immediately after the general elections in November 2019, the Office of the President (OP) organised a Cabinet Retreat to develop Cabinet Strategic Thrusts to guide the integration of the ruling party promises into both NDP 11 and annual plans.
Mr Speaker, as to the Honourable Member’s last question of “whether the Government will not consider setting up a permanent structure where the ruling party and Government” can deal with the issue of misalignment of cycles between the national development planning and national election processes, one can only say that Government has a robust planning system and structures to handle the request from the ruling party, therefore, such consideration will not be necessary for now.

I thank you Mr Speaker.


3 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Honourable Balopi.
MR BALOPI: Nnyaa, ke lebogela Tona gore a bo a nkarabile potso e. Ke ne ke batla fela gore ka gore Tona o supile gore go na le matshwenyego a go tlhoka go tsamaisanya ga nako ya ditlhopho gore phathi fa e fentse maikaelelo a yone a bo a sa kgone go diragala jaaka a ntse a tlhalosa, e bile a tlhalosa gore mo dipaakanyetsong tsa go direla tšhaba ya Botswana ngwaga le ngwaga, kana jaaka re ne re bua ka kabo ya madi, ga go fe Puso sebaka se setona thata gore e ka tsenya nngwe ya dilo tse e neng e batla gore e ka di tsenya, tse di ka tsayang lebaka le leleele gore di dirwe.
Gape a re Puso e na le gore bodiredi le Puso e e busang ba na le tsamaiso e e teng e e leng gore ga ba bone go tlhokafala gore go nne le ofisi e e ka lebelelang dikgang tseo ka maikaelelo a gore ba tle ba felele e le gore ba amanya maikaelelo le tse di tlaabong di diragatswa.
Ke eng a sa dumele gore go tshwanetse go nne le ofisi eo, ka gore jaaka a ne a bua gore go na le structures mme a ntse a lemoga gape gore misalignment e is the one that causes mathata, ntswa ke amogela gore a re re mo paakanyetsong ya gore lwa bofelo go nne le alignment, ka gore fa ditlhopho di fenngwa,di reng, mo bogompienong jaana, a ga a bone e le matshwenyego a e leng gore kwa bofelong ngwaga le ngwaga fa go ntse go rulaganngwa jaana, tse ditona tse di neng di akantswe jaaka ditsela, dikokelwana, jaaka o buile di ka tloga tsa amana?
Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR MTHIMKHULU: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ke gore planning processes tsa ga Goromente di di telele thata.

Di simolola fela kwa village level go fitlhelela di bo di tla di ya go tsena mo National Development Plan (NDP).

So Goromente before a tla ka yone or NDP 11, this process is…(inaudible)…right from the roots go tswa kwa dikgaolwaneng, go fitlhelela kwa bofelong kwa godimodimo.
Kwa e tlaabong e felela teng jaanong e kgobokangwa e nna NDP 11 kana 12.

It is a long process.

Jaanong re dumela gore, when these processes are done the Government systems tse di salwang morago are tried and tested and they can deal with these processes better.
Jaanong ka fa ke utlwang Honourable Member a buang ka teng his concern is from the involvement of the ruling party in these processes, ke re tota to create a permanent structure go tlile go nna e kare jaanong re tsaya a party and now make it part of the Government.

Which is not what would be the best thing to do, because we have a system that has worked for the country for so many years.
Jaanong mme gongwe ke ka bo ke ka tlhaloganya fa Honourable Member suggesting that maybe go nne le a link of some sort, between the party and the Government, which is, he knows…(inaudible)…one of those things that had been discussed gore there should be a link that is found, to link the party and the Government, fa e le gore there is that gap e e leng gore should be connected.
Lastly gape, re tshwanetse go tlhaloganya gore as members of the ruling party Members of Parliament (MPs) here, we also represent the ruling party and we are part of this planning process as these things are taken through the Government planning systems.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR BALOPI: Further supplementary Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, maikaelelo a me ke gore batlhophi ba rona le Batswana ka bophara ba tlhaloganye ka fa re dirang ditlhabololo tsa rona ka teng mo gompienong.
Gape ke utlwa Tona a re go tlaa nna thata gore e nne e kete re tsaya phathi re e tsenya mo Pusong.
Jaanong ke batla gore Tona a tlhalose gore gongwe, ke tlaa dirisa leina la ga Honourable Saleshando ka ke ene Moeteledipele wa Kganetso mo Ntlong e, fa ba supa fa Puso e palelwa ke dikgang dingwe tse di sa kgonegeng ka mabaka a a farologaneng, go raya gore ga ba a tshwanela go supa phathi jaaka o ne o bua, ba se ka ba supa phathi ka gore tota ga go batle gore jaaka o ne o araba, e nne e kete phathi ke yone e tsamaisang merero ya Puso.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Phathi ke Cabinet; link eo ke Cabinet.
MR MTHIMKHULU: Mr Speaker, can I respond?

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Balopi, are you done?

MR BALOPI: Yes, I am Mr Speaker.

Thank you.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister.

MR MTHIMKHULU: Rre Balopi, jaaka ke ne ke bua kana there are three Arms of Government.

I think you are very much aware of that, ke the Judiciary, Parliament and the Executive.
The Executive is the head of the Government, jaanong jaaka Tautona le Cabinet ya gagwe e le yone the Executive arm of the Government go raya gore phathi because the members of Cabinet right now as you know are mainly members tsa the Botswana Democratic Party (BDP), almost all of them, so the party is adequately represented in the decision making process at the helm of the Government.
Even in Parliament, we are also adequately represented, because Parliament forms part of these processes and on the planning 4 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER process tsa NDPs, because anything that is done will pass through Parliament and be approved by this Parliament.

There is no way that we can say, reasonably say that the party is not adequately represented, because we are here as agents, representatives and we are sent here by the party to represent it in Parliament.
I thank you Mr Speaker.

ADDITIONAL CLASSROOMS FOR PARWE SECONDARY SCHOOL MR D. TSHERE (MAHALAPYE WEST): asked the Minister of Basic Education: (i) if he is aware that Parwe Secondary School has been promised six (6) additional classrooms to address the shortage of classrooms following the upgrading of the school from 18 to 22 streams; and (ii) when these classrooms should be expected.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MS MAKWINJA): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke a leboga motlotlegi.
Mr Speaker, my ministry o a itse gore Parwe Junior Secondary School jaaka junior secondary schools tsotlhe mo Botswana di na le mathata a go bo bana ba le bantsi thata, ka gore go na le kgolo ya dinomore tsa bana.

Jaanong ka fa mananeo a ne a ntse ka teng, e ne e le gore o ya go bona six matlo a borutela bana, mme ke re ka di 27 tsa ga July 2021 tender e ne ya fiwa bangwe gore ba age classrooms tse, mme ka maswabi mongwe a nna a ipelaetsa.
Mo go rayang gore fa re bua jaana kgang e e na le ba Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Board (PPADB) mme mo godimo ga moo Mr Speaker, go ne gape ga abelwa bangwe tender go dira porta cabins gape, e ntse e le gore Parwe ke nngwe ya dikole tse di yang go akola porta cabins.

Fela jaaka classrooms, bangwe ba ipelaetsa, mme kgang eo jaaka re bua jaana, le yone e santse e le kwa Ministerial Tender Committee (MTC) go e sekaseka.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR TSHERE: Supplementary.


Thank you Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke a leboga Honourable Makwinja ka karabo eo.

Jaanong ga go tswe go le phepa gore o a re porta cabins go ya go dirwa porta cabins kana go ya go agiwa classrooms tse six tse re di tlwaetseng kana intervention ka gore e santse e tshwerwe kwa PPADB, le a go aga porta cabins?

A ko o tlhalose kgang eo sentle.


Gape se sengwe Tona, jaaka o ne o tlhalosa fela sentle e le boammaaruri gore kana dikole tsa rona di tletse.

Tse di simolotseng e le 12 streams jaanong ke bo 25 to 30 streams and ke a tlhaloganya gore o a bona jaaka bakaulengwe ba tlhola ba bua mo Palamenteng.

Jaanong potso ya me ke gore, tota le le lephata le akantse jang, ka gore re sa le re bona le aga dikole tsa junior secondary almost 30 years ago in the early 90s.
Jaanong re a go bona leng le tla ka thulaganyo ya gore le oketse dikole mo lefatsheng, le di oketse bogolo jang gone kwa Mahalapye West kwa kgaolong ya Mmadibereta le Tapalamanong?

Le ya go aga leng sekole seo se se mo lenaneong kana re bone le aga dikole fela in large part mo lefatsheng la Botswana ka tsela e e ntseng jalo?

Ke a leboga.

MS MAKWINJA: Ke a leboga Honourable Tshere.


Ke re fa o ne o nkutlule sentle motlotlegi, ke rile ka di 27 tsa July 2021 tender ya classrooms was awarded, jaanong ga nna le dipelaesego.

The same date ka di 27 tsa ga July 2021 go ne gape ga neelwa bangwe tender ya porta cabins.

Fa o gakologelwa Mr Speaker, e ne e le nako e COVID-19 e neng e gaketse, re leka tota to depopulate kana go fokotsa bana mo dikolong, mme le yone tender e gape e ne e le go tlaleletsa ts six tse.
Le yone e eme fela jalo ka mathata a re a itseng, our procurement system.

Ke a leboga.

Ya bobedi, o ne o re a re na le lenaneo, ke gopola gore motlotlegi go na le lenaneo la gore ngwaga le ngwaga korotokoroto fa madi a bonala re aga sele le sele.

Jaanong se se maswabi ke gore, o tlaa fitlhela classrooms di gaisana le mantlo a barutabana le yone tota core business ya education-equipment and everything.
Mo go rayang gore tota ga re kgone go aga classrooms tse di ka itepatepanyang le seemo se re leng mo go sone se.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR MOTAOSANE: Supplementary Mr Speaker.

Thank you Mr Speaker, tanki Honourable Minister.


Minister, tota motho o ka go botsa gore mo dikgannyeng tse le tlaa bong le dira project e tshwana le go aga classrooms, mme e bile mo go yone le tshepisitse gore le tlaabo le tsenya mantlo a barutabana mo teng, why does it look like dinako tse tsotlhe fa le dira projects tse, fa jaanong le dira classrooms, le tlogela mantlo a barutabana a le neng le a tsentse mo tenders kana mo plan ya lona?
Sekai, ke jaaka kwa Kumakwane Junior Secondary School, le ne le re solofeditse mantlo a barutabana a a ka nnang marataro, mantlo ao ga a a agiwa, go agilwe classrooms fela.

Why is this happening?

Thank you Minister.

5 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MS MAKWINJA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke a leboga motlotlegi.
Ke gopola gore motlotlegi o tlaa bona gore re na le mathata a madi, jaanong fa go sena letseno jaana, go bo go raya gore priority mo dikolong dingwe, gore re kgone to depopulate kana go fokotsa bana, go bo go raya gore tota classrooms di tsaya maemo a ntlha e se gore ga re batle go aga classrooms, e le gore madi ga a lekane gore re ka dira jalo.

Ke ka solofetsa motlotlegi gore tota tsone dilo tse re boela kwa morago go di dira fa re bona letseno o kare le teng, re.
Fela ke one mathata a re nang le one motlotlegi.

Ke a leboga.

AGRICULTURAL PRODUCE IN SCHOOLS MR W. B. MMOLOTSI (FRANCISTOWN SOUTH): asked the Minister of Basic Education why money obtained from the sale of agricultural produce in schools is not used to run those schools.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MS MAKWINJA): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke a leboga Motlotlegi.

If you allow me to answer this one in English.


Mr Speaker, it should be noted that in accordance with Financial Instruction and Procedures, Chapter 2, Section 1 Subsection (201), I quote, if you allow me Mr Speaker to quote?

MR SPEAKER: Yes please.


MS MAKWINJA: “Consolidated Funds consist of all revenues, or other monies raised or received for purposes of the Government of Botswana not being revenues or other monies that are payable by or under any law into some other fund established for specific purposes, or that may by or under any law, be retained by the department of Government that receive them for the purposes of defraying the expenses of that department.” I am reading this so that my response can be well understood.
All the money that is currently being generated by Government institution, is deposited into the Consolidated Fund; all the proceeds.

This includes the sale of agricultural produce which are receipted by a properly authorised officer and deposited into the Government Consolidated Fund.

Mr Speaker, as the Act states, ‘any money retained by any department of Government can actually be used to defray the expenses of the department.
So the problem here Mr Speaker, is implementation because the way I read it is that yes, actually we can use it to defray the expenses.

So, it is an issue that we will be taking it up, but for now, all the money is deposited into the Consolidated Fund.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

MR MMOLOTSI: Thank you very much Mr Speaker.

Tona, gongwe o re tlhalosetse gore, o ya go dira eng se se faphegileng gore barutabana ba itse ka thulaganyo e ya gore they can use that money to defray costs?
Mo nakong ya gompieno barutabana ba agriculture ba kgona go tlhoka madi a pesticides, ba kgona gore ba senyegelwe ke di watering can.

Ba kgona go tlhoka basics tse ba di dirisang kwa garden mme e le gore ba dira madi ba a isa fela kwa go Goromente.

When are you going to address this thing so that now teachers can be aware that this money can actually be used in their department?

MS MAKWINJA: Thank you Your Honour, thank you Mr Speaker.
I think what you are saying motlotlegi is that we will try and actually establish what the issues are, because right now I am not quite sure what the issues are.

We will establish and get reasons why it is being done the way that it is, and try to see how best to tackle this one.

It is definitely something that we need to because it is very clear in this chapter of the financial instruction and procedure what should be happening.

MR MMOLOTSI: Further supplementary Mr Speaker.


Thank you very much Mr Speaker.

What I want to find out from you Minister is that, have you heard queries from teachers, have you heard teachers complaining about this particular problem where they are making money but they are unable to use it to improve their departments or even to buy the basics that they need to facilitate their teaching?

MS MAKWINJA: Thank you Mr Speaker, thank you honourable.
Yes, I have heard of this before, but I do not think it was in any formal setting to really talk about it.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Kekgonegile, Member for Maun East.

MR KEKGONEGILE: Tanki Mr Speaker.

Ke kopa gore karabo ya potso e e nne ka Setswana.

Question number five.
MAGNITUDE OF ILL BEHAVIOUR IN SCHOOLS MR G. KEKGONEGILE (MAUN EAST): asked the Minister of Basic Education to brief this Honourable House on the magnitude of learners’ disobedience, truant behaviour or disorder in schools throughout the country, in particular: (i) the concentration of occurrence per school and region; 6 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER (ii) the ministry’s strategy in combating or eradicating learners disorder in schools; (iii) if the ministry is not considering emphasis on corporal punishment (inclusive of whip) rather than Euro- centric measures such as suspension and expulsion; and (iv) the ministry’s plans in providing security at schools’ main gates where crime is rampant and is being mostly perpetuated by non-students.
ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MS MAKWINJA): Thank you Mr Speaker, thank you Honourable Kekgonegile.

Ga ke itse gore ke eng o re e nne ka Setswana ka gore o a itse gore ke bala dipotso tsa me ka Setswana.

Ke tlaa e bala.

Mr Speaker, re tshwenyegile thata ka botlhokatsebe jwa bana mo dikolong.

Fa ke araba potso ya ga Honourable Kekgonegile ya ntlha, the concentration of occurrence per school region, ene o e kwadile ka Sekgoa, mme a re ke e tlhalose ka Setswana.
Mr Speaker, go na le mathata a botlhokatsebe mo dikolong, bogolo jang a dirwa ke bana ba bangwe ba ba tlaa bong ba rumola ba bangwe, ka Sekgoa go bidiwa bullying, fa bana ba bangwe ba sotlakakiwang ke ba bangwe, mo fa gongwe go felelang go nna le dintwa le dikgobalo tse di masisi fela thata.

Gape go na le se Makgoa ba se bitsang truancy; go tshaba sekolo ga bana kana ba dira eng fela ba sa tsene sekolo sentle ka mabaka a a farologaneng.
Mr Speaker, gongwe gape, drugs mo re reng diritibatsi, di a utlwalelwa mo dikoleng tsa rona kgapetsakgapetsa gore ke tsone di nang le seabe se se tona mo botlhokeng kutlo jwa bana ba rona.

Jaanong ke yone ke reng go a farologana, mme fa ke ya ka regions Mr Speaker, ke tlaa di tsaya fela ka boripana.

Fa re tsaya kwa South East, re bone gore go na le mabaka a mararo a a tlisang jone botlhoka kutlo jo; ke bullying, truancy and drug or substance abuse.
Ga re re South East bullying, dinomore tse re nang le tsone as at 2019, ga re ise re nne le tsa 2020 and 2021, exercise e tsweletse ka gore re ne ra bona di gola fela thata.
Reported learners’ disorder occurrences by Region – 2019: # Region South East North East Southern Kweneng Kgatleng North West Chobe Ghanzi Kgalagadi Central TOTAL Bullying 0 0 11 1 8 0 0 0 0 0 20 Truancy 62 42 185 186 39 246 4 88 36 489 1 377 Substance abuse 4 0 0 1 26 0 0 0 0 0 31 O tlaa bona motlotlegi gore truancy ke yone e nang le dinomoro tse dintsi ka gore eo e begiwa (report) ke barutabana ba bona ngwana a seyo mo sekoleng kana go diragala sengwe.
Bullying gantsi e diragala kwa ntle ga classroom.

Go bo go raya gore there is a lot of under-reporting ya bullying.

Equally substance or drug abuse, le yone fela jalo, ke dilo tse di diragalang bana ba le kwa ntle ga sekole kana ba le mo sekoleng ka breaks, barutabana ba sa di bone.

Ke sone se dinomore tse di ntseng jalo Mr Speaker.

(ii) Mr Speaker, mo dikoleng, re na le metlhale e e farologanyeng go leka go lwantsha one mathata a. Mathata a matona Mr Speaker, ke implementation.
Re na le Child-Friendly Schools Framework e re lekang gore ngwana fa a le kwa sekoleng, e bo tota go tshwana fela a le mo community kana kwa lelwapeng, a sosologile, a sa 7 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER tshabe sepe.

Go na le Student Discipline Policy, e teng e a diragadiwa.
Go na le the Pastoral Policy, e teng e a diragadiwa mo dikoleng tsa rona bogolo jang secondary schools, di na le Head of Houses ba ba lebaganeng le go bona gore tota boitsholo jwa bana bo tsamaya jang.

Go na le School Guidance and Counselling Programme, e yotlhe re e itseng gore sekole sengwe le sengwe bogolo jang tsa senior secondary le junior secondary, nngwe le nngwe e na le guidance and counselling.
Jaanong re na le one mananeo a Mr Speaker, a e leng gore bothata jo bongwe ke yone implementation, ke re ke tshwaele go le kalo.

(iii) Mr Speaker, ga ke itse gore ke ka e araba jang, ya re, if the ministry is not considering emphasis on corporal punishment, inclusive of whip, other than eurocentric measures such as suspension and expulsion.

Mr Speaker, re leka ka bojotlhe go aga ngwana.


Go a lebega, re a itse gore Batswana ba dumela mo thupeng, gore ngwana a betswe, mme go supa gore bana ba ba golelang mo go kgokgontshiweng ka thupa, tota botshelo jwa bone ba itse gore jaanong thupa ke yone e e rarabololang kana e fetsang mathata a lefatshe.

Go bo go raya gore go na le tendency ya gore bana ba fa ba gola, ba nna violent kana Gender- Based Violence (GBV) jalojalo ka gore matshelo a gompieno ga a tshwane le a rona.
Nako e rona re neng re betswa, go ne go sena social medias le all other sectors tse bana ba rona ba lebaganeng le tsone gompieno.

Jaanong tota ga re dumalane le corporal punishment e ngwana a betswang, mme go na le policy e head teacher a kgonang fa a bona gore ngwana yo fa a ka betswa, thupa e ka mo thusa, ene o a dira kana o bitsa motsadi go bo go raya gore go bonwa gore ngwana o ka otlhaiwa jang.
Ke selo se re lekang ka bojotlhe gore re se dire, re se dira ka kelotlhoko gore ngwana a se ka a tloga a nna segogelatlhoko.

Go na le tsone support structures tse ke setseng ke buile ka tsone, tse re tshwanetseng go di lebaleba, ra di gagamatsa, gore tota di thuse, re rehabilitate bana, re ba counsel ba agege.

Ke se re se ikaeletseng Mr Speaker.


(iv) The ministry o dira eng go bona gore tota go bewa ba ba ka tlhokomelang gore dilo tse ga di dirwe; Mr Speaker, mo dikoleng tsa rona tsotlhe go na le masecurity.
Ke ka bo ke re batlhokomedi ba dikago, le go bona gore tota bana ga ba tlhorontshiwe ke dirukutlhi mo dikoleng, mme jaanong tota e, re kopa mo community le bone batlotlegi ba ba mo Ntlong e, gore a re lekeng, a re tshwaraganeleng kgang ya go leka go busetsa boleng jwa Motswana mo boleng ka go ruta bana ba rona ka maitsholo ka gotlhe mo re ka go kgonang.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR KEKGONEGILE: Supplementary.


I am a social worker by profession, I am a human rights activist, but reality and theory are two different things.

O bua ka research, e dirilwe kae, leng mo Botswana, e e supang gore bana ba ba betswang kwa malwapeng ke bone ba ba felelang kwa dikgolegelong, ke bone ba ba kgokgontshang?
O ka re e e fa ra tla ra e bona, kana fa e le gore you are relying mo research ya makgoa, a ga go botoka gore rona re itirele research mo lefatsheng la rona e e ka tlang ya re raya e re go ntse jalo?

Sa bobedi Tona, a kgang e ya gore Mogokgo e nne ene fela yo o kgonang go tseela ngwana wa sekole kgato fa a dule mo tseleng, ga o bone e le yone e e dirang gore bana ba sekole gompieno, re bo re ba bona ba slapping barutabana, ba ba roga, barutabana ba ba lebile fela go sena gore ba ka ba reng?
A ga le bone tsamaiso e le yone e e gakatsang seemo le go gaisa ka gore mo setsong sa rona, motsadi o kgalema ngwana irrespective of gore o fa kae?

O bua ka figures tsa 2019, a ga o bone gore di dikgologolo thata gore o bo o bua ka tsone ka 2022?

A selo se ga se supe gore mo Lephateng la Thuto, go na le bothata jwa go sala dilo morago, go na le bothata jwa monitoring and evaluation within the service delivery systems kana protocols tse di leng teng?
Ya bofelo Mr Speaker, bullying and drug abuse, wa re go thata gore e ka bonwa; e le boammaaruri, mme ga o bone go le botlhokwa gore ka gore ke yone mathata a matona mo dikoleng, le invest mo goreng e ka kgonwa go bonwa ka dilo tse di tshwanang le bo security cameras le tse dingwe fela jalo?

Tanki Mr Speaker.

MS MAKWINJA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga motlotlegi.

Ka research ntate, go raya gore ke tle ke go batlele statistics, le fa e le tsa mafatshefatshe, re ya teng koo le rona.
Re ka kgona go itirela research, ra bona gore tota gatwe matsapa di a tsaya kae.

A corporal punishment mo Botswana, e na le the same results?

Eo ga ke ka ke ka go e atolosetsa, ka gore ga ke na research tseo jaaka ke bua jaana.

8 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Ya gore Mogokgo ra re ke ene fela a le nosi who can discipline bana, go bo go raya gore jaanong barutabana ba leba bana fela.
Ke dilo tse ke ka se keng ka go ganetsa Honourable Kekgonegile, gongwe bana ba a itse gore kana morutabana yo ga a ka ke a ntira sepe, ba bo ba dira boithatelo kana boganana, ba itse gore morutabana ga a ka ke a ba dira sepe.

Ke dilo tse jaaka re ntse re sekaseka implementation ya Education and Training Sector Strategic Plan (ETSSP), re di lebile gore mathata a re ka a tshwaraganela jang.

minutes each, in accordance with the same Standing Order.
I will adjust of course, the time by the minutes we have lost.

ORGANISATION 0100 - PARLIAMENT MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Members, two hours have been allocated to this Organisation.

I shall call upon the Honourable Minister to reply to the debate at 16:20 hours today and the question will be put at 16:50 hours.

E nngwe; 2019 figures wa re go supa gore monitoring and evaluation e bokoa.
Ga ke ka ke ka go ganetsa motlotlegi, ka gore fa re le mo go 2022 re bua ka 2019 figures, go raya gore go na le mathata.

Ke dilo tse re berekang mo go tsone, jaaka ke ne ke go bolelela gore re leka to consolidate mathata, bogolo jang the impact ya COVID-19 gore go nnile le mathata fa kae.

Bullying and drug abuse; ke dumalana le wena Motlotlegi Kekgonegile gore ke mathata a re nang le one.

Fa ditsompelo di ka bo di le teng, mogopolo wa cameras le rona re kile ra o atlaatla mo dikoleng.
Ka vandalisation e e mo dikoleng, sengwe le sengwe, matsananyana a re ntseng re na le one, re leka ka bojotlhe go bona gore COVID-19 protocols di a netliwa, go bo go raya gore madi a cameras tse le rona re neng re rata go di tsenya, ga re ka ke ra kgona financial wise at this point in time.

Ke dilo tse re sa di lebalang.

Ke a go leboga motlotlegi.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Honourable Members we have run out of time for questions.
You will see that the time for the debate at the Committee of Supply says we should start at 14:45 hours.

That implies that we cannot have the question without notice either, which has been on Friday’s Paper.

We shall therefore, move on to Appropriation.

ASSEMBLY IN COMMITTEE (CHAIRPERSON in the Chair) APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) MR CHAIRPERSON (MR SKELEMANI): Order!

Honourable Members, we are starting the Committee of Supply for the Appropriation (2022/2023) Bill, 2022 (No.
2 of 2022).

Let me therefore, remind you that in accordance with Standing Order 51.7 (b), the Minister is allocated 20 minutes to present and 30 minutes to respond.

Honourable Members shall be allocated 10 FOR PRESIDENTIAL MINISTER AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): Ke go leboge Modulasetilo, ke go ikokobeletse le boeteledipele jotlhe jo bo leng fano.
to present the Mr Chairperson, I am honoured 2022/2023 budget proposals for Organisation 0100 - Parliament for consideration by this Honourable House.
I wish to request a total amount of One Hundred and Seventy-Three Million, Eight Hundred and Thirty-One Thousand, Six Hundred Pula (P173, 831, 600) which is made up of One Hundred and Fifty-Four Million, Nine Hundred and Twenty-One Thousand, Five Hundred and Ten Pula (P154,921,510) for Recurrent Budget and Eighteen Million, Nine Hundred and Ten, and Ninety Pula (P18,910,090) for Development Budget for the 2022/2023 Financial Year.
Mr Chairperson, you will all agree with me that the years 2020 and 2021 were both very difficult due to the outbreak of COVID-19.

The world was busy saving their people and procuring vaccines for them.

Botswana was no exception as we too were doing our utmost best to procure vaccines to save the lives of our citizens in line with the priorities of the Reset Agenda.
Mr Chairperson, the Constitution of the Republic of Botswana, particularly Section 85 to 89 empowers Parliament to make laws for the Peace, Order and Good Governance of Botswana.

In addition to making laws, Parliament also has an Oversight and Representation role.

In order for Parliament to undertake these roles, there is need for a budget which will facilitate Members of Parliament and Members of Ntlo ya Dikgosi to perform their Constitutional functions as stated above.
PERFORMANCE FINANCIAL YEAR REVIEW - 2021/2022 like other arms of Mr Chairperson, Parliament Government was adversely affected by COVID-19.

Parliament had to endure budget cuts and exercise 9 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0100 - PARLIAMENT COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY belt tightening measures in order to make the required savings.
It is due to these cost saving measures, that Parliament was not able to undertake some projects and oversight programmes which were planned for the year under review.

that notwithstanding, Parliament Mr Chairperson, took advantage of the COVID-19 protocols which restricted public gatherings and meetings to leverage on Information and Communications Technology (ICT).
As a result, the 2021 Winter Meeting and State of the Nation Address (SONA) were successfully held virtually with very little interruptions, except a few cases where network challenges were experienced.

In addition, Honourable Members attended virtual meetings of Portfolio Committees and Inter Parliamentary Bodies.
the during aforementioned Mr Chairperson, Parliamentary Virtual meetings, the National Assembly approved amongst others some Bills that were aimed at curbing the deficiencies in the handling of anti-money laundering and countering terrorist financing.

The passing of these Bills led to the removal of Botswana from the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) grey list.
Mr Chairperson, the National Assembly Standing Orders, Live Broadcasting Guidelines and Code of Conduct for Members of Parliament which are key to a smooth run Parliament, remain in draft form before the respective Portfolio Committees.
This Honourable House may recall that during my last Committee of Supply appearance, I reported that the documents were still in draft form, the reason why there has not been any notable progress is because Members of Parliament were hampered by the COVID-19 restrictions whilst also engaged with their constituency work.

It is our hope Mr Chairperson, that work on the documents will be concluded as soon as possible.
LEGISLATION Mr Chairperson, I am happy to report that during the 2021/2022 financial year, a total of 23 Bills were tabled for consideration by the National Assembly and out of these, 20 were passed into law.

Under the financial sector, the Bills that were passed include; the Economic Recovery Support Programme (African Development Bank (AfDB) (Loan Authorisation) Bill, 2021 (No.

31 of 2021), Public Finance Management (Amendment) Bill, 2021 (No.
24 of 2021) and the Financial Intelligence 10 (Amendment) Bill, 2021 (No.

26 of 2021), Credit Information Bill (No.

17 of 2021).

These financial Bills will improve the overall economic management of the economy.

Mr Chairperson, as part of the Mid-Term Review as read with Vision 2036 Pillar 2 of Human and Social Development and Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) 3 (Healthy Lives), 5 (Gender Equality) and 10 (Reduced Inequality) recognised the need for achieving a dignified life for all citizens.
In this regard, Parliament considered and passed a number of Bills geared towards the achievement of this socio-economic sector of the economy.

Some of the socio-economic related Bills which were passed include; the Citizenship (Amendment) Bill, 2020 (No.

23 of 2020), Change of Surname Bill, 2021 (No.

8 of 2021) and the Married Persons Property (Amendment) Bill, 2021 (No.

12 of 2021).
12 of 2021).

The Bills respectively sought to align the Citizenship Act with the age of majority set out in the interpretation act, regulate the right to assume another surname and to simplify and allow rectification of errors by Registrar of Deeds instead of having to apply to the High Court.

Another key Bill that was passed was the Tobacco Control Bill, 2021 (No.
9 of 2021) which is meant to regulate the demand, supply and consumption of tobacco and promote the overall health of Batswana as espoused by SDG 3 on healthy lives for all.

Furthermore, Mr Chairperson, in order to curb the social ills within our society and address Gender Based Violence (GBV), Parliament passed the Penal Code (Amendment) Bill, 2021(No.

16 of 2021).

The Bill seeks to enhance and strengthen the penalties for sexual offences and deter would-be perpetrators.
Mr Chairperson, we must commend Parliament for making such laws because not a week goes by without a horrific GBV incidents being reported, including the senseless and gruesome murders.

We need such laws to end these undesirable elements in our society.

Parliament also passed the Ombudsman Bill, 2021 (No.

19 of 2021) to expand the powers of the Ombudsman for the further protection of human rights.
This law is important because Botswana intends to keep improving on issues of human rights, and it is our wish that Parliament takes the lead on such matters and assists in improving our human rights international ratings.

Let me also emphasise that this can only be achieved if the relevant Portfolio Committee fully does what it is mandated to do.
Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0100 - PARLIAMENT COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY Mr Chairperson, the mining sector remains one of the main contributors to the economy, it is important therefore to begin to use modern technology and high mining standards to extract these minerals with a view to address issues of climate change and ensuring sustainable economic growth.

As a result, Parliament passed the Diamond Cutting (Amendment) Bill, 2021 (No.
5 of 2021), Precious and Semi-Precious Stones (Protection) (Amendment) Bill, 2021 (No.

6 of 2021), to improve beneficiation from diamond mining… …Silence… MR CHAIRPERSON: You are lost Minister, I cannot hear you.

…Silence… MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister, we have a problem, we cannot hear you.

MR MORWAENG: A ga ke utlwale sir?

MR CHAIRPERSON: No, o a ne o nyelela.

MR MORWAENG: Thank you sir.


Mr Chairperson, these Bills are just pieces of legislation which need to be actualised for the country to derive the intended benefits.

The onus lies with the respective line ministries and departments or agencies to ensure that the Bills are effectively implemented.

NTLO YA DIKGOSI Mr Chairperson, in terms of our procedures, all Bills which touch on culture requires that they be referred to Ntlo ya Dikgosi for deliberation and advice.
During the year under review, there were no Bills that were referred to Ntlo ya Dikgosi.

That notwithstanding, Ntlo ya Dikgosi which was equally affected by COVID-19, managed to hold three virtual meetings in June, October 2021, and also in January 2022.

Mr Chairperson, during the afore stated meetings Ntlo ya Dikgosi considered questions and Motions which were tabled before the House.
OVERSIGHT Mr Chairperson, as earlier stated, I wish to report, that despite the challenges occasioned by the pandemic, Parliamentary Committees were able to meet virtually their oversight duties accordingly.

and discharge Proceedings of committees’ examinations were live streamed to promote transparency and accountability.
Mr Chairperson, prior to the 2021/2022 Budget Meeting, the Finance and Estimates Committee analysed the Budget and made recommendations to the House which enabled Members to effectively and informatively debate the Budget.

This is in line with committees’ mandate as stipulated by the Standing Orders and it is a commendable initiative which sets the tone for debating the Appropriation Bill.

We hope this initiative will continue to take place as we grapple with dwindling resources.
Mr Chairperson, it is perhaps time to reflect and look at how our committees are funded.

Efficient and effective committees need adequate resources both human and financial.

It is on this basis that I humbly request that this House consider this matter as soon as the economy improves.
REPRESENTATION Mr Chairperson, Parliament in its efforts to strengthen participatory democracy must commence effective use of the Community Scorecard as this will improve the quality of services rendered to Batswana and responsiveness of service providers that is, ministries the balance and departments.

Implementation of scorecard was planned for use on five Parliamentary Committees during the year under review but had to be postponed due to lack of resources.
However, this will be undertaken during 2022/2023.

Mr Chairperson, I am afraid that… …Silence… MR MORWAENG: Mr Chairperson, the efficiency and effectiveness of Parliament is highly dependent on the services it gets from its secretariat and with this symbiotic relation established, it is critical for Parliament to continue improving the capacity of its staff for improved quality Parliamentary support services.
Mr Chairperson, that being said, I wish to request this August House especially the National Assembly Staff Committee to broaden its mandate to enable it to… …Silence… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke tsone ditlamorago tsa go gana go ya kwa House.

…Silence… 11 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0100 - PARLIAMENT COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister.

MR MORWAENG: You cannot hear me Mr Chairperson?

MR CHAIRPERSON: O tsamaya o nyelela.

MR MORWAENG: Can I come that side sir?


HONOURABLE MEMBER: Wa re o tle o setse o tsere nako e e kana?

MR CHAIRPERSON: You have only four minutes left.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ka tla go setse four minutes?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Continue Honourable Minister.

MR MORWAENG: Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Mr Chairperson, I request that this Honourable House approves a total of One Hundred and Fifty-Four Million… …Silence… MR MORWAENG: … mostly on personal emoluments to cater for the salary increase.
CONCLUSION Mr Chairperson, this concludes my presentation of the 2022/2023 Recurrent and Development Budgets for the National Assembly.

…Silence… MR CHAIRPERSON: We have lost you again Honourable Minister.

MR MORWAENG: …Nine Hundred and… …Silence… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go ya go kwalwa bokae jaanong?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Bakwena ga ba a itumela gotlhelele.

…Silence… HONOURABLE MEMBER: The highest office in the land.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke dipalo tsa ga Zuma tse.

MR MORWAENG: Mr Chairperson, can you hear me?


MR CHAIRPERSON: Ga re a utlwa gore wa re Palamente e rebole eng?

…Silence… MR CHAIRPERSON: Jaanong o nyeletse totally.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go tlaa re Tautona a mo kobe.

…Silence… MR CHAIRPERSON: Is there anybody next to you who has a better reception?

Is Honourable Mthimkhulu far away from you?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A-a-h!

That is likely to be worse, Mthimkhulu?


ASSISTANT MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL PUBLIC AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND ADMINISTRATION (MR MTHIMKHULU): I am downstairs, the Honourable Minister is upstairs.

So, re kgakalanyana.

Maybe I can call him here.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga gona lift?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O kare le ka nna le kgaoga fela jaana letsatsi le letsatsi.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke ne ke re Tautona a ba kobe.

MR CHAIRPERSON: What are you asking from Parliament?
…Silence… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke eng Tautona a sa ba kobe bone ba babedi ba, very incompetent?

MR MTHIMKHULU: Rre Mmolotsi, o simolotse gakere?

…(Laughter!

)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Gatwe le bifelwa ke maranyane.

LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Can I request the Minister to come to Parliament Mr Chairperson because the moving stage is very critical to know which figures are being passed by Parliament?
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… 12 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0100 - PARLIAMENT COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go setse three minutes.

MR MTHIMKHULU: He is coming to my office to do it here.

…Silence… MR MORWAENG: Thank you Mr Chairperson.

I am very sorry about what happened.

Mr Chairperson, this concludes my presentation of the 2022/2023 Recurrent and Development Budgets for the National Assembly.
I, therefore, move that the sum of One Hundred and Seventy-Three Million, Eight Hundred and Thirty-One Thousand, Six Hundred Pula (P173, 831, 600.00) which is made up of One Hundred and Fifty-Four Million, Nine Hundred and Twenty-One Thousand, Five Hundred and Ten Pula (P154, 921, 510.00) for Recurrent Budget and Eighteen Million, Nine Hundred and Ten Thousand, and Ninety Pula (P18, 910, 090.00) for Development Budget be approved and stand part of estimates for 2022/23 financial year.

I move accordingly.
I move accordingly.

Thank you.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Minister.

Order!

Order!

Honourable Members.

The floor is open for debate Honourable Members.

MR SALESHANDO (MAUN WEST): Ke a go leboga Modulasetilo.

Gongwe ke supe gore go maleba gore re akgole Palamente ka fa e dirileng ka teng mo nakong e re neng re na le mathata a gore ga go kgone go kopanwa jwa bone ba bo ba le mo Palamenteng.
Ke solofela gore tshwetso e tlaa tsewa mo nakong e khutshwane, ka gore ga re ka ke ra tswelela ka tsela e ntseng jaana, e e leng gore ba ba yang go bala se se tlaabong se kwadilwe mo Hansard jaaka Rre Morwaeng was presenting, e tlaabo e le mathata ka gore it is not going to make sense ka fa go tsamaileng ka teng mo letsatsing la gompieno.
Mr Speaker, kgang e tona ya Palamente e re tswang kgakala e toutiwa e Tona Kabo Morwaeng a sekeng a batla go e ama mo go tsotlhe dipego tsa gagwe tsa budget, ke ya independence of Parliament.

E tswa kgakala e ntse e buiwa, ba bangwe ba tlile pele ga rona, megopolo e dule, go kile ga dirwa le consultancies, gore tota go ka dirwa jang gore Palamente e kgone go ikemela ka nosi ka boammaaruri.
O a bona gore ga gona sepe se se dirilweng e sale ngwaga wa madi wa ntlha fela Rre Morwaeng a nna in charge of Parliament.

Go raya gore we can safely conclude gore Rre Morwaeng le Tautona Mokgweetsi Masisi, ga gona commitment, political will ya go bona gore Palamente ya rona go ka tokafadiwa jang gore e ikemele ka nosi.
Dikgang tse di kileng tsa buiwa tsa bo gore go nne le melao ya bo Parliamentary Service Commission, go raya gore ga di ka ke tsa ba tsa diragala ka fa tlase ga Puso ya ga Rre Kabo Morwaeng le Tautona Mokgweetsi Masisi.

Go kile ga nna le thulaganyo ya gore a bogolo go ka nna le tsamaiso ya molao fela gore tsa dituelo tsa mapolotiki le ba Ntlo Ya Dikgosi, go nne le tsamaiso e farologanyeng ya go itebaganya le dituelo tsa bone.

Rre Morwaeng re ka bolwetse jwa COVID-19.


Ga se Dipalamente tse a itse a gore sale a boetse morago ka molao oo.

O kgona dintsi tse di kgonneng go nna fully virtual.

Le nna ke ne go bona gore gompieno ga a bue le fa e le ka kgang ya ke sa tseye gore go ka kgonagala fa go simololwa.

Mo teng, o kare ga e ise e diragale.


O e itebaditse ka gore ga bogompienong boammaaruri ke gore ga go sa tlhole go na le lebaka la gore Palamente ya rona e bo e santse e le fully virtual, ka fa go tsamaileng ka teng when Rre Morwaeng was presenting, go supile tota go papametse gore ke nako ya gore re boele kwa Palamenteng.
Ga e ka ke ya re re tsentse bana mo dikoleng, mo classrooms, re buletse mafelo a a farologanyeng e bo e kete rona o kare re nna protected species e e tshabelelwang ke COVID go feta mongwe le mongwe.
Go ka dirwa dithulaganyo tsa gore fa e le gore go tsena palo e kwa tlase bontlha bongwe bo nne virtual, go diriwe jalo gore ba ba tlaabong ba le in the Order Paper ba bua kana ba ikaeletse go bega dikgang tsa bone, bontsi a na commitment, ga go na political commitment, ga ba na phisego ya gore ba ka diragatsa tse di tlaabong di leka gore Palamente e kgone go ikemela ka nosi.
Le fa o lebelela fela dikgang tse di tshwanang le tsone tse gore, mme go ka dirwa eng, a go na le dikakanyo dingwe tsa gore go ka tokafadiwa jang gore Palamente ya rona e nne more effective, fa o tsaya melao yotlhe e Rre Morwaeng a ne a e bala e a reng e fetisitswe Palamente, ke melao e e tswang kwa Executive.

A ga gona molao ope o mongwe fela o a ka o supang, o a ka reng, jaaka Dipalamente tsa mafatshe a mangwe, le rona re na le palo e rileng ya melao e itletseng ka Mapalamente.
Ba kganetso ba batlang ka melao jaaka re 13 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0100 - PARLIAMENT COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY itse, ele Melao ya Kakanyetso, Private Member’s Bills, Party ya Domkrag e dira khwaere e bo e e gana yotlhe.

Ba e gana fela yotlhe.

Mapalamente a back benchers tsa Domkrag, ba le bone ba ka bong ba dira melao ba ineetse gore tota tiro ya bone ke go tla gore, “aye” fa Matona a bua.
O bo o solofela gore gongwe o ka latswa ke tlhware wa tsoga le wena o supiwa gotwe o Tona ka o ne o goela kwa godimo to support Matona a mangwe.

Ga gona ope Mopalamente wa Domkrag e sale re tlhophiwa re tla fa, yo o kileng a baya Palamente Kakanyetso Molao, a re, ke le Mopalamente, ke na le Kakanyetso Molao ke o, o ke le o bayang pele.

Rona ba opposition re leka fa re lekang teng re a e tlisa, maDomkrag ba bo ba e gana botlhe.
Jaanong o kgona go bona gore Mapalamente a Domkrag ga ba itse gore ba tletse eng fa.

Ga ba itse gore ba tletse eng fa ka gore sa bone ke go tla go buchila fa go buile Khuduthamaga ya ga Tautona.

Ke go tla go letsa megolokwane fa go buile Khuduthamaga ya ga Tautona.

Re nosi ba diphathi tsa kganetso mo go lekeng go dira melao.
Fa e le gore re santse re tlile go tsamaisa ka tsela e, le gore le yone Palamente ga gona sepe se se buiwang tse re kileng ra di bua tsa bo the Budget Office gore e tlhomiwe, e buiwa e feta fela gompieno ke Tona Morwaeng gore, re tlaa tla re e bona kwa pele.
Re solofetse go le gontsi, Dipalamente tse dintsi di na le mo gotweng bo Research Division tsa Palamente tse di nang le bo mankge ba the researchers, mo e leng gore fa o le Mopalamente o na le kakanyo ya gore ke batla go bopa molao go o isa Palamenteng, ba nna fa fatshe, ba go thuse go dira researches tse di tlhokafalang go fitlhela o bo o kgona go tsena kwa Palamenteng.

Kwano re beile fela mo go bone ba Parliamentary Counsel, which is a very small team.
Re tlhokana le gore go ka bo go na le a full legal department mo Palamenteng.

Bona gore re mo ngwageng wa boraro Mr Speaker, mo ngwageng tse tharo ke setse ke bone batho ba le bararo ba bidiwa bo Parliamentary Counsel, fa o ntse o ntse yo mongwe o a tsamaya, o bona sefatlhego se sesha, o a tsamaya, o bona sefatlhego se sesha.

This is a tried and tested approach ya Puso ya ga Rre Masisi ya go koafatsa maphata a a sa beyeng sebete.
Fela jaaka a dira kwa DCEC a fetola baokamedi ngwaga le ngwaga, kwano le bo Parliamentary Counsel ke belaela gore fa go ka ya go lebelelwa nako le nako re nna le mongwe yo mosha mo setilong seo.

Go koafale, go nne bokoa, re se ka ra itshetlela badiredi ba ba tlhaloganyang ditsamaiso, ba na le maitemogelo, experience e e kareng kamoso re ntse re tsweletse ra e akola.

Se se dirwa ka gore Office of the President ke yone e tsayang ditshwetso le ba ga Attorney General gore go tla mang.
Ke eng re sa tshwane le Dipalamente tse dingwe, Palamente ya ikhirela.

Ya ntsha kitsiso gore re batla go hira motho yo o tlaabong a thusa Palamente go tsamaisa, go thusa Mapalamente go kwala melao.

E seng mo re go bonang gompieno, e le gore ngwaga le ngwaga ke tlhatlola o tlhatlege ka fa go diragalang ka teng.

Development of staff; nna ga ke kgotsofale ka se ke setseng ke se bone mo nakong e kana.
Re ka bo re bua jaana re supa le gore bana ba Batswana ba ba berekang mo Palamenteng ya Botswana ba ba kgonang to be seconded kwa Makgotleng a tshwana le bo Inter Parliamentary Union ba kae, gore re ba tokafatse, re ba tlhabolole, ba kgone go nna mo seemong se ba buduleng, ba na le maitemogelo, e seng fela a mo Palamenteng ya Botswana le tsa kwa mafatsheng a sele ka fa go tsamaisiwang ka teng.

Ga re dire go lekane mo nakong ya gompieno go leka go tlhabolola staff sone seo.
Fa o lebelela le tse gotweng ke tse di thusang Mopalamente, kana go thona gore e re fa o ya go lebelela records for more than three decades, for more than 30 years, go nna go buiwa kgang ele nngwe fela gore kante go pala eng gore fa Mopalamente a dira tiro ya kgaolo ya gagwe, a nne le transport e eleng ya Puso, ka gore o a bo a le mo tirong ya Puso.

E seng gore e bo e le gore o tabogile ka koloi ya gago fa go na le diphuthego, o setse badirelapuso morago ka dikoloi tsa Puso.
Wena o le Mopalamente ga gona gope kwa o ka ikopelang teng gore le nna nthuseng ke direng tiro ya Puso.

Ga se boithaopo go ya go dira constituency tour, it is a call of duty.

Fa re ikana mo Palamenteng re ne re ikanela gore ke tiro e re tlaa e dirang, mme e bile re tshwanetse re fiwe ditsompelo tsa go dira tiro eo.
O kgona go bona gore Rre Kabo Morwaeng le Tautona Mokgweetsi Masisi ga ba na maikaelelo a gore ba ye go tlogela Palamente e le mo seemong se se botoka, Mapalamente a kgona go dira tiro ya bone botoka.

Enforcement; Palamente ke gore le fa e tsere ditshwetso, ga go reye sepe gore a di tlaa diragadiwa.

Re a di itse Motions tse di sa bolong go tsena fa pele ga Palamente tse di iseng di diragale.
Re a itse le dipotso le dikarabo fa re simolola fa ke ne ke supa dikarabo tse di neng di fiwa ke Tautona Mokgweetsi Masisi a santse a le Tona, ke gore o kgona go bona gore ga gona tlhoafalo.

Tautona Mokgweetsi Masisi a santse a le Tona ka 2014, o bua gore, nnyaa re feditse ka go kwala molao, e bile Cabinet e tloga e o fetisa, solofelang gore ka June 2014 molao o o tlaabo o le mo tirisong.
Eight years later, go na le 14 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0100 - PARLIAMENT COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY dikarabo tse dingwe fa gare, tse di ntseng di buiwa nako le nako go ntse gotwe re tlaa dira, re tlaa dira.

Eight years later, re ne re reeditse gompieno go bua Tona Mthimkhulu, a araba e kete o neetswe karabo ya 2014, o fetotse dates fela gore jaanong e tlaa nna Winter Session ya 2022.
O kgona bona gore ga gona maikaelelo a go tsaya Palamente tsia ke Puso ya ga Rre Kabo Morwaeng le Tautona Mokgweetsi Masisi.

Re fetoga thulaganyo ya Maokaneng ka fa go tsamayang ka teng.
Go a ne fela gotwe latlhela tlhware legonyana, le yone budget e re e buisayang e, ga gona Palamente epe e e kileng ya re e tsene pheletsong ya yone morago ga go nna dikgwedi tse dintsi go lebeletswe Budget, Puso ya letlelela gore re utlwile se Palamente e se buileng, re ntsha bokana jaanong ka gore re fetola budget ya rona, jaaka Palamente e buile, ke fela le utlwile Mapalamente, a re tsweleleng pele.
Re nyenyafadiwa ke the traditions tsa Puso e e leng teng gompieno, ya gore Palamente ke go fetisa nako fela, mo nakong ya gompieno.

Ke tsaya gore Batswana ba tlaa itemogela gore fa ba batla Palamente e kgonang go tlisa diphetogo mo matshelong a bone, fa ba batla Palamente e eleng gore le tse e di buileng di tlaa diragala, ba itlhoboge, ga se ka ke sa diragala ka fa tlase ga Puso ya ga Mokgweetsi Eric Masisi.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

MR MOATLHODI (TONOTA): Ke a go leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, good afternoon sir.

Ka Setswana Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ra re more wa gole o eptswa motlhaatsholo.
Tla ke tseye sebaka se Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke lebogele mafoko a ga Rraarona Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona Mokgweetsi Eric Keabetswe Masisi jaaka a ne a bua le moemedi wa European Union (EU) mo maabanyaneng, a kgala a bo a bua a sa kgwe mathe ditiro tse di bosula tsa mokaulengwe wa gagwe Rraetsho Vladimir Putin wa Russia jaaka a tlhasetse lefatshe la Ukraine.

Ke tsaya sebaka se go kopa Batswana go rapedisa lefatshe la Ukraine, ga mmogo le batho ba lone.
Le ene Motlotlegi Rraetsho Vladimir Putin a rapedisiwe gore mowa o o maswe o wa go rata ntwa o tswe mo go ene o tsene mo dikolebeng tsa kwa Russia.

Mr Speaker, you are certainly presiding over a robust House and you are doing it very optimally, as well as meticulously wena le monnao.

A Modimo rara a tswelele ka go le kueletsa mosi wa leokwane la selegodimo gore ditalente tsotlhe tsa boeteledipele le di tsweledise ka manontlhotlho, masisi le bobelotheri.
Mr Speaker, I pray for a rigorous, as well as vigorous code of conduct amongst our Honourable Members.

Mr Speaker, I plead with all Honourable Members to acclimatise, as well as vigorously familiarise themselves with our Standing Orders.

They need to know them by heart.

Sekai Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, o utlwa Motlotlegi Mopalamente a raya yo mongwe a re o legodu, Cabinet e e tletse magodu, dintša mo Palamenteng e di a mpogola.
Fa e ne e le gore ba itse ditsamaiso tsa rona, they will be knowing that we have to be shrouded by plenty decorum at all times.

Live broadcast, Batswana ba rata live broadcast thata.

I plead with you Honourable Members, let us use it positively.

Mr Speaker, we are on the Budget session, Oxford English Dictionary defines budget as the amount of money needed or available for a purpose.
Our Parliament is a very unique institution that has to be allocated adequate funding to meet its special needs mme Palamente ya rona nako le nako e abelwa matlhotlhora.

Honourable Minister, enough is enough; Parliament runs on committees, please ensure that at all times we are adequately funded.

Around 2012 Mr Speaker, Extra Duty Allowance was taken away from our staff.

Extra Duty Allowance was benefited and enjoyed by all our staff.

There was so much productivity and peace.


Mr Minister, please bring back our Extra Duty Allowance for our staff with a view to enhance productivity.

Overtime; overtime was introduced around 2012 and it is very expensive and not enjoyed by all our staff e bile e a lotlhanya.

Please take it away Mr Minister and bring back our Extra Duty Allowance.

Our Parliament staff is ordinarily devoted and committed to their duty.
Maabane fela jaana ba letse mo Palamenteng, ba tšhaisitse ka three ba dira Bills, nngwe ya dikai.

Ke ne ke le fa Mr Speaker ka 8th Parliament up to 10th Parliament, our poor Clerk fought tooth and nail to be given enough posts but in vain, until today.

Some of our staff have been on C1 since the 10th Parliament until today.

Ke a go kopa Tona, tsamaya o ye go re batlela posts.

Ke go fa sekai, o ka nna wa tla ka tse 20 tsa C1, wa tla ka tse 20 tsa D3 wa neela bana ba rona.
I still remember the Westminster’s Foundation for Democracy, that it complained bitterly that this Parliament is highly incapacitated.

Honourable Minister, tsamaya o ye go baakanya.

Our Parliament runs on Interns and temporary staff which never get absorbed at the end of the day and this is cheap labour.
Are you aware Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, gore re ja bana ba batho ntsoma because they are losing on so many 15 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0100 - PARLIAMENT COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY things?

Ke kile ka utlwa ke tsamaya on the corridors of this Parliament gotwe re ya go dira toitoi kana fa go tshamekwa golo fa and ke ne ka kgalema selo se blankedly but all these is lack of happiness amongst our staff.

The happier the staff, the higher the productivity.
Baakanya Motlotlegi Tona.

Honourable Morwaeng, through you Honourable Speaker, do you know what the best remedy for all this is?

Please, come up with Parliamentary Service Commission.

With Service Commission, we will be able to have our own budget, employ our staff, to have our own Standing Committee ya Commission.
Maloba re ne re le kwa Public Accounts Committee (PAC), or still talking about Service Commission, during 10th Parliament, Dr Nasha and I rolled our sleeves to introduce the independence of Parliament.

Do you know what happened?

The then leadership, the then President and his Cabinet told us gore our Bills were disruptive.

Dr Nasha and I got victimised for trying to introduce the independence of Parliament and eventually we got vanquished away from the 2014 general elections.
I can tell you now Honourable Minister Morwaeng and confirm that our current His Excellency (HE) ga a ka ke a go kganela fa o ka re you want to introduce is very independence of Parliament because he pragmatic, he is a man of his words… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke tlaa tlisa Bill ke tle ke go bone sentle.

MR MOATLHODI: …that embraces change.

Maloba re ne re le kwa PAC ke na le bone ba o utlwang ba tsositse modumo ba ngongorega.
The then Permanent Secretary to the President (PSP) a re bolelela gore borra, ke ne ke le file posts, ke tseo di teng.

Fa re re re a tlhatlhoba ka nnete, Honourable Mmolotsi le Honourable Member wa Bobonong ba ka ntshupela.

Re re re a tlhatlhoba ka nnete ra fitlhela gore posts-nyana ke tse, di ne di le teng.

O bo o ipotsa gore ke eng jaanong di ne di se ka tsa neelwa batho.

I want to appeal to plead with our Honourable Madam Clerk, watch out your Human Resource (HR).
Watch out your HR; fa posts di le teng, they have to be filled by the right people.

Crack the whip on your HR Madam Clerk.

Lebelela constituencies tsa rona gompieno, there is nobody doing the coordination ya constituencies tsa rona ka gore ga gona bone batho ka go iphitlhilwe ka lebaka la gore ga gona posts.
Ke tsaya sebaka se Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, go dumalana le Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tona gore budget-nyana e a e re neetseng e fete mme a tsamae a itse gore Minister wa Finance o rile ga a kitla a letlelela epe Supplementary Estimates mme rona ga re batle gore dikomiti di ka tlhoka go bereka le fa e le ka lepe la malatsi.

We need enough funding.

Mr Speaker, I support the Bill.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you.

Honourable Majaga followed by Honourable Lucas.


…Silence… MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Majaga.

…Silence… MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Majaga.

He is not there.

Okay, we go to the next one… MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR KGAFELA): Le nna ke go leboge Mr Speaker, go bo o mphile monyetla wa gore ke kgwe Tona dikgaba.

Ke mo ema nokeng, ke supe fela kwa tshimologong ka Tshutiso ya gagwe ya kopo ya madi.
Fela ke simolole ka go mo akgolela tiro e ntle le fa ntswa Mapalamente mangwe ba ntse ba kgala, mme fela tiro e ntle yone re a e bona e Palamente e romilweng go e dira.

Ke tlaa simolola fela ka go akgela mo mafokong a a tshwenyang batlotlegi a gore Palamente ga e a ikemela ka nosi.

Mafoko a a tswa kgakala, go le gantsi a tsalwa ke gore go bo go na le lefoko le le reng kana dithata di tshwanetse tsa kgaoganwa magare ga makalana a mararo a Puso a, e bong; lekalana la Palamente, Executive le la Boatlhodi.
Ke utlwa pilapila gore mafoko ao a teng, ke mafoko a bogologolo a a neng a supiwa gore ke dintlha tse di botlhokwa gore di diragadiwe pele, pele ga sika loo-motho le ka gololesega ga nna le true liberty.
Babui ba mafoko a Modulasetilo, le fa ba a tlhama, ba ne ba lebeletse mmuso wa Ennyelane wa Westminster, mme ba fositse ba tsaya gore mmuso o tsamaisiwa ka yone tsela e e ntseng jalo, boammaaruri e le gore ga o tsamaisiwe ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, mme e bile boammaaruri e le gore ga o yo mmuso mo lefatsheng ka bophara o o kgonneng go diragatsa separation of powers jaaka e elediwa gore e ka bo e ntse.
Fa go ka lekiwa gore go diriwe jalo tota fela mmuso kgotsa tsamaiso ya lefatshe will collapse ka ponyo ya leitlho.

Se se amogelesegang ka yone concept e ke gore nnyaa, boammaaruri ke gore it is a Government system which is made up of separated institutions, mme fela these institutions are sharing 16 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0100 - PARLIAMENT COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY power.
I think that is the most appropriate description of the ideal Government e re e batlang, but absolute separation Modulasetilo, is an impossibility, ke toro e e leng gore ga re kitla re e fitlhelela.

Ke akgola Palamente, batlotlegi gore e bo e le gore ke batho ba ba tsibogelang dikopo tsa gore e re fa ba beilwe Molao-kakanyetso pele, mo nakong e khutshwane, ba bo ba setse ba kgonne gore ba o fetise, ke tiro ya rona.
Jaaka Tona a tlhalositse gore tshetlana ya bo 86 ya Molaomotheo e re romile gore re tlhomamise gore re dira melao ya tshiamelo lefatshe ya thokgamo.
Motlotlegi o buile thata ka dipaakanyo-melao tse re sa tswang go di dira, Penal Code re ne ra e baakanya le a gakologelwa, re e baakanya ka gore kana re le Batswana, re ne re rototse matlho, re makaletse ka mo re bonang kgokgontsho ya bong, segolo jang e sekametse thata kwa go kgokgontsheng batho ba bomme le bana, e e tsweletseng pele fela e sa kgalemelesege, mme e bile o kare ga go na boikotlhao mo go yone.
Ra gagamatsa melao, re gagamatsa setoropo gore ba ba dirang jalo, ba itse fela gore ba tlaa ela ruri, ga re kitla re ba bona gape, ba tlaa dika ba lebetswe mo setšhabeng, dingwaga tse ba tlaa di yang kwa kgolegelong e bile go tlaa lebalwa gore a ba kile ba tsholwa.
Re ne ra bona paakanyo ya molao wa Citizenship wa boagedi ba Botswana ka le one o ne o tshwentse, re a itse gore e ne e re fa ngwana e le gore motsadi wa gagwe yo mongwe ke motswakwa, yo mongwe ke Motswana ka gore fa o santse o le ngwana, o ne o kgona gore o nne le dual citizenship, re iponela bana e le gore fa a setse a fitlhelela dingwaga tse e leng gore ke mogolo, go bo gotwe jaanong fa a ise a ithole boagedi jwa lefatshe le sele, go raya gore o latlhegelwa ke boagedi jwa lefatshe la Botswana automatically, a bo a rontshiwa ditshwanelo tsotlhe tse moagedi wa Botswana di mo lebaganeng.
Re leboge gore re le Mapalamente, re ne ra fetisa molao wa paakanyo gore a e re fa o digela dingwaga tseo tsa lesome le boferabobedi, e le gore o moagedi wa mafatshe a mabedi ka mabaka a bobotlana jwa gago, e bo e le gore tota fela automatically o nna moagedi wa Botswana.
Re leboga thata gore Mapalamente ba dikile ba fetisitse le molao wa Change of Surname o o letefatsang jaaka mmuso wa ka se sebaka, o itlamile gore o tlaa letefatsa, o repise melao e yotlhe e e nang le thulaganyo ya gore e kgoreletse ditsamaiso tsa setho le boitumelo.
Jaanong ga tla molawana wa Change of Surname gore tota fa go lebagane gore o kgone gore o fetole sefane, o se ka wa simolola o tshwanetse o ye kwa courts, o ye kaekae ka madimadi, ka khiro ya diagente, e bo e le gore o ya kwa go Registrar o ya go baakanya.
Mapalamente ba ne ba tsiboga, ya re fa ba kopiwa gore tsisang molao o re o baakanye wa Tobacco Control Bill, ntswa tota fela mme re ne re farologana, re le bantsi ka se e neng e le gore molao o ne o tshwanetse sefatlhego se re neng re se batla mo go one, mme fela se ke se itumelelang ke gore Batswana, re atlaatla dikgang tse.

Re a tle re omane, re shakgalelane, mme kwa pheletsong, re felele re diragaditse selo se gotweng ntwa kgolo ke ya molomo, re rarabolole ditsarona ka tlhopho.
Ke lebogela thulaganyo e ya Botswana Speaks gore Palamente le bo le kile la tswa ka botlhale jwa gore re nne le badiri ba Botswana Speaks, ba ba re thusang go menagane gantsintsi kwa dikgaolong tsa rona, le bo le itlamile gore le ba tshegetse le ba duele gore ba kgone go diragatsa tiro e, e re le bantsi re neng re sena thuso e e kwa pele e. Re na le molawana wa National Assembly Powers and Privileges, tshetlana ya boraro ya teng ya re, ga e ka ke ya re o buile sepe mo Palamenteng, go sa kgathelesege gore se botlha bofe kgotsa se botšarara bofe, le fa o se buile, ga go na yo o ka go sekisetsang selo seo.
Jaanong re a itemogela gore batlotlegi ba lemoga gore ba na le tshwanelo eo, gangwe le gape rona fa re ntse re amogela feedback mo setšhabeng, ba a re botsa gore naare jaanong batsadi le buisana jang mo Ntlong e e tlotlegang ka malatsi a re a le bona, e bile re a le utlwa, fa e sale television e simolola e le supa, mafoko a lona a botšarara.
Re ntse re tlhalosa gore nnyaa, kana tshireletsego e teng, beng ba mafoko ao fa e le gore ba teng, botšarara jo ga ba ka ke ba bo dirisa kwa ntle ga Ntlo, ka ba itse fela gore ke botšarara e bile bo tlaa felela bo ba gogetse fa pele ga makgotlatshekelo.

Ke supe gore le tlaa goroga letsatsi ka gore molao o kana ga o fete Molaomotheo, jaaka re itse gore Molaomotheo ke molao o o fetang melao yotlhe, ke mmaagwe melao.
O ka tswa gongwe o ka hekeetsa melao e mengwe e e kgonang gore o itshetlele ka yone fa o sekisetsa motho ditlhapa kgotsa thumolano, mme ga o fete Molaomotheo.
Gongwe letsatsi le tlaa goroga la gore yo o neng a tlapaololwa mo Palamenteng, go iphitlhilwe ka monwana wa National Assembly Powers and Privileges Act, o tlaa felela a ikgogetse kwa lekgotleng a re bagaetsho, tshwanelo ya me ya Molaomotheo ya tshetlana ya bo seven, e e ntshireletsang kgatlhanong le inhumane treatment, ke belaela fela gore e tsuolotswe ka ke a tlapaololwa, ke a tlhapaololwa jaanong ke kopa fela gore ke sirelediwe yo a ntlhapaololang a tle a tseelwe dikgato.
Le tlaa 17 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0100 - PARLIAMENT COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY goroga letsatsi Mapalamente la gore re iphitlhele e le gore seemo seo re mo go sone.

Ke kope ka boikokobetso gore re atleatle dikgang tsa rona re le Batswana jaaka re tlwaelesegile ka segarona go tlotlanwa, go neelanwa go sa supasupanwe, go sa bidiwe maina a diphologolo jalojalo.

Ke tlaa letla tlhaloso e e neng e kopiwa, ga ke itse gore e ne e tswa kae Modulasetilo, ke tlaa e neela yo a neng a e kopa.
MR KEORAPETSE: Ke nna.

Clarification Mr Speaker.

It is just a quick one ya gore ga ke tseye gore you are downgrading the importance ya Powers and Privileges Act in terms of fela gore tota yone its essence ke eng.

Tota potso e ke neng ke re ke a go botsa o santse o na le nako ke ya dress code mo Palamenteng.
A o lemoga gore re tshwanetse re bo re le Palamente e le nosi fela mo lefatsheng lotlhe ka bophara, e e sa letleleleng traditional wear, ke gore seaparo sa setso kana sa tumelo gore se ka apariwa mo Palamenteng, ke belaela e tshwanetse e bo e le rona fela.

A o lemoga selo seo?

MR KGAFELA: Nnyaa, gore a ke rona fela mo lefatsheng ga ke itse.

Gore a go a kgorelediwa gore o apare traditional attire, ke simolola go nna mo Palamenteng in this session, mme ga ke ise ke kopane le mokwalo o o rialong.
Gone ke itse gore ditsholofelo ke gore o bo o apere seaparo se re se apereng mo sebakeng se, mme mokwalo one ga o yo.

MR KEORAPETSE: Ga o ka ke wa tla ka mokobolo le letlalo.

MR KGAFELA: Ga ke ise ke lekeletse.

MR KEORAPETSE: Lekeletsa.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke lekeleditse ka thoro, go bo gotwe ke ntshe.

MR LUCAS (BOBONONG): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dupuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Ke simolole fela ke re kana kgang e Tona, e gongwe motho a ne a batlile go e utlwa mo kabong e ke gore tota Palamente re dira eng gore e lomologe mo Office of the President (OP)?

Fa o lebile Palamente, ke lekalananyana fela, le gone e seng department, ke lekalananyana fela ka fa tlase ga Ofisi ya ga Tautona.
Jaanong moo go supa gore go nna thata gore Palamente e kgone go tlhodumela ditiro tse di dirwang ke Tautona le Khuduthamaga ya gagwe, ka gore Palamente ke lekalananyana fela ka fa tlase ga Ofisi ya ga Tautona.

Seo ga se tswe sentle gore maiteko a budget e ke go dira eng go leka go lomolola Palamente, go e ntsha ka fa tlase ga ofisi ya ga Tautona.
Se se supagetseng sentlentle gore Palamente ya Botswana e nyadiwa le go gaisa ke Ofisi ya ga Tautona, tota e tshwanetse gore e e nyatse ka gore e ka fa tlase ga yone.

E rile fa go simololwa thulaganyo e ya Constitutional Review, Mapalamente jaaka o ba bona ba le fa ba le bantsi ba lebega ba tlotlegile, ga ba na seabe sepe gotlhelele gore tota mme molao o motonatona o o fetang melao yotlhe, o sekasekwa ka thulaganyo e e ntseng jang.
E rile fa Palamente e tswalwa ka December, Rraetsho Tautona a bo a ntsha lekoko le a reng le tsamaye mo le bue ka go sekaseka Molaomotheo sesha.

O dira jalo fela letsatsi le Palamente e tswetsweng, a raya gore go se ka ga ba ga nna le sepe se Palamente e ka nang le lefoko la gore jaanong thulaganyo e ke ya mohuta mang.
Fa Palamente e saletswe ke beke gore e bulwe fa re ntse re bua ka Financial Action Task Force (FATF), ka melao ele ya tshoganetso, Tautona a bo a ntsha lekoko a re tsamayang le tsene mo dikgaolong le bue ka Tshekatsheko ya Molaomotheo.

A dira jalo a itse gore fa Palamente e ka bulwa, go raya gore Mapalamente ba tlaa bua ka thulaganyo eo ya Tshekatsheko ya Molaomotheo, gongwe ba bo ba leka gore seemo seo se baakanngwe, mme Tautona a ntsha lekoko leo la tsena mo dikgaolong.
Lekoko leo fa le tsena mo dikgaolong jalo, la dira dithulaganyo tsa gore le tsamaya ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Palamente le Mapalamente, le ba Domkrag tota, ba ne ba sena seabe sa gore mo kgaolong e a leng mo go yone Mopalamente yo, gore dikgang di tsewe ka bophara di bo di tsewe tsotlhe, ke fa gongwe commission eo e ne e ka ya kwa kae.
Re setse re lebana mo matlhong fela fa kgaolo e tshwana le ya Bobirwa, go tlaabo gotwe commission eo e tlaabo e tsamaya kwa Bobonong e bo e ya Tsetsebjwe, go bo go tlogelwa mafelo a mangwe otlhe.

Wena o le Mopalamente o utlwa fela ka commission eo, gore kwa Semolale, Gobojango, Mabolwe le Lepokole, koo ga e ye teng.

E ya fela kwa Bobonong le Tsetsebjwe, ke gone kwa e yang go tsaya megopolo teng.

O bo o bona gore ah!


tota fa Bopalamente, waitse o fitlhela o kare o boynyana fela, o boy, o lelatanyana fela la OP.

Le Molaomotheo fa o sekwasekwa, ga gona fa re tsenngwang teng, o bo o ipotsa gore re Palamente ya mohuta mang, e e se nang fa e tsenang teng fa go simololwa thulaganyo ya go dira Molaomotheo.

Ke lone lenyatso le botsotsi jo bo direlwang Palamente, gore e re fela fa e tswalwa, go bo go ntshiwa lekoko, fa e boa go bo gotwe lekoko leo a le tsene mo metseng.
Le 18 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0100 - PARLIAMENT COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY gone go sa supafale gore lekoko leo le tlhaola metse le lebile eng.

Moo ka bogone go re supegetsa gore nnyaa owai, Palamente ke Palamente fela.

Tsotlhe tse di kileng tsa buiwa gore go lekwe go thusa gore Palamente e ikemele, nnyaa, ga di diragadiwe.

Gompieno Palamente e ya rona e, e santse e hirelwa badiredi ke Directorate of Public Service Management (DPSM), e e ka fa tlase ga Ofisi ya ga Tautona.
Ka jalo, go raya gore ba hira yo bone ba ka bonang a tshwanetse, e seng yo Palamente e ka bonang a tshwanetse gore o ka bereka kwa Palamenteng.

Moo ka bogone, ke supe gore ke bokoa jo botona thata, Palamente tiro ya yone e very specialised.

E ne e batlile gore e ka bo e ne e iphirela batho ba e ba lemogang ba na le bokgoni jo bo tseneletseng jwa go ka bereka mo Palamenteng.

Fa o bua ka research mo Palamenteng e, nnyaa eo go tlhomola pelo thata.
Fa o bona re le fa re le Mapalamente, go na le different areas of national lives, o ka bua ka Agriculture, Local Government, Energy kana Minerals, mme go tlhoka gore re bo re na le bomankge, bomaitseanape, ba ba re thusang go tlhaloganya dikgang tse ka bophara jwa tsone, mme ga gona bomankge ba go nna jalo mo Palamenteng ya rona.

The research department e na le batho ba se kaenyana who are generalists, ga se gore ba ithutetse dikgang tse di tseneletseng in the different areas of national lives.
Ka gone moo o fitlhela e le gore Mopalamente fa a le mo Palamenteng, a tlhoka thuso ya gore mo kgannyeng e ke ka e akgela jang, ke kgone ke thuse batlhophi ba me, go nna thata ya lentswe gore Mopalemente a bone thuso eo.
Rona re dumela gore go ka bo go na le thulaganyo e e leng gore in certain areas of national life, for instance e tshwana bo taxation, ke na le lebaka le le telele ke batla go tlisa molao o ka one o tshwanetseng go baakanya molao wa makgetho gore bahumi ba millionaires le billionaires ba kgethisiwe thata go gaisa batho ba ba kwa tlase.
Go thata go bona expert ya taxation, e e ka thusang mo molaong one o. Moo ka bogone go supa gore Palamente ya rona e santse e le bokoa fela thata, e bile e tshwanetse ya nonotshiwa.

bogolo jang fa Mapalamente re seyo re le kwano mo Palamenteng.

O tshwanetse a tsena ditiro mo dikgaolong tseo, mme gore a tsene ditiro koo, ke gore a ithaope kgotsa a go leletse o le Mopalamente kwa Gaborone gore ntshelela foo rraetsho, bogolo ke tle ke kgone go ya go tshwara phuthego e e kwa Lentswelemoriti.
Moo ka bogone go supa gore re ne re ka tlhoka ditsompelo tse di tshwanang le tsa transport, ka gore fa o re o baya mo go bo Molaodi le ba bangwe, nnyaa, bao ba ka go neela, mme bontsi jwa nako ba re nnyaa, ga gona dikoloi.

Moo ka bogone go tlhofofatsa tiro ya Mopalamente le bodiredi jwa Palamente.
Budget; nako e ke e ntseng mo Palamenteng ka lebakanyana le le khutshwane, ke lemoga gore diofisi tsa Mapalamente di tlhoka budget e e leng ya tsone ya go itsamaisa pele, ka gore tsotlhe fela, le toilet paper kana pen tsa ofisi ya Mopalamente, di tswa Gaborone.

Ga gona budget e nnyennyane fela e ofisi ya Mopalamente e ka itsamaisang ka yone.

Go reka toner, o tshwanetse o emele toner ya printer go tswa kwa Gaborone.
Moo ka bogone, go supa gore thulaganyo ya rona ga se yone gotlhelele, ke thulaganyo e e tshwanetseng gore e baakanngwe, gore diofisi tse tsa Mapalamente di kgone gore di berekele batho fa di leng teng.
Fa go sa nne jalo, ofisi ya Mopalamente e beile fela mo goreng gongwe mongwe letsatsi le lengwe o ka e utlwela botlhoko, nnyaa re tlile go tswelela re ntse fela jaaka re ntse jaana, e le gore ofisi ya Mopalamente e bereka fela gaufinyana le fa e leng teng, ga e kgone go tswa e ya go dira ditiro kwa mafelong a mangwe.

Go lebega go sena budget eo gotlhelele.


Sengwe se ke batlang gore ke se kaye, se se ka sa salela kwa morago ke gore, Mr Chairperson, re dumela gore you are head of Parliament, ka jalo o tshwanetse le wena ra bona o tshwenyega thata ka seemo sa Palamente e re leng mo go yone.

E lebega e sena dithata gotlhelele.

E lebega e gateletswe thata ke Office of the President (OP).

BoSpeaker ba ba fetileng ba kile ba leka gore Palamente e nne independent, re ne re kopa gore le wena o tsenye letsogo.
Fa o ya kwa constituency offices, ke tsaya gore tseo gone go a latlhelelwa ka gore fa o di tsaya bontsi jwa tsone, ke fela gore tota batho ba Modimo ba ba kwa go tsone, ke ba ba berekang ka boithapo jwa bone.

Bogolo jang fa go tswa gore ba tshwanetse ba tsena mo ditirong tse di farologaneng.
Dikgaolo di tshwana le Bobirwa, Ngami le Okavango di phatlaletse, mme modiredi wa ofisi ya Palamente o tshwanelwa ke gore a tsene ditiro, Re kopa gore Palamente e simolole go nna le tlotlonyana mo ofising ya ga the Leader of the Opposition (LOO).

Kwa ofising ya ga LOO, se se diragalang ke gore lantlha o ne a kgorelediwa go tshwara diphuthego tsa Kgotla mo kgaolong e e seng ya gagwe.
Re dumela gore budget e tshwana le e, LOO o tshwanetse a nna le kgololesego ya go ya kwa dikgaolong tse dingwe a feta a ntsha an alternative view ya gagwe ka budget, sponsored by 19 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0100 - PARLIAMENT COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY Parliament.

Fa go nna jalo, go raya gore democracy e tlaabo e tshela.

LOO a kgona go nna le sebaka sa go buisa diphuthego gone koo.

Honourable Skelemani.

Jaanong ke batla go go akgola rraetsho gore tshwara jalo.
Ke sone se ke neng ke re ke simolole ka sone, ke go akgole Mr Chairperson.

Se sengwe gape ke gore, gore a bone ditshwanelo tsa gagwe, nako le nako o tshwanetse a tshosetse go ya kwa court.

Maloba jaana go ne gotwe o tlaa batlelwa security ke ba OP.

Fa a tshosetsa gore ke ya kwa court, ke gone go botwe gotwe nnyaa e tlaa nna out of … “EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP” MR CHAIRPERSON (MR MOATLHODI): Your time is up Honourable Member!
MR LUCAS: A re dirisanyeng sentle … MR KABLAY (LETLHAKENG-LEPHEPHE): Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Le nna rraetsho ke eme nokeng budget ya ga Tona.

Rraetsho, re ya go … (Inaudible) … Sa ntlha Mr Chairperson, ke bue gore ga se boammaaruri gore Mapalamente a Domkrag ga ba itse se ba se tletseng mo Palamenteng.

Ke tsaya gore ke go re nyenya, go re isa kwa tlase gore banna ba ba kana, ba ba thuntseng ditlhogo, ba sale ba le mo Palamenteng e, e bo gompieno gotwe ga re itse gore re tletse eng mo Palamenteng.
Mr Chairperson, ga go na ope yo o re kganelang gore re bue re le Mapalamente a Domkrag.

Cabinet ga e re kganele gore re bue kana baeteledipele ba party ya Domkrag ga bo re kganele go bua.

Go tswa mo go rona gore a topic e e mo tafoleng, ke e re ka buang ka yone kana e a bo e le go tshameka ka nako fela fa re ka tsena mo go yone.

Ke dilo tse ke neng ke batla gore ke di tlhalose.


Re le party ya ga Domkrag, ga re ka ke ra ema nokeng Motion o o reng re dumalane gore Goromente wa rona ga a na tiro, a tswe mo Pusong.

Ga re ka ke ra dira jalo.

Fa Motion o o ka tla ka ba kganetso ba le kae gore ba leke go tsaya ditlhaloganyo tsa rona gore re o eme nokeng, ga re ka ke ra dira jalo.

Ga re tlhobose Goromente yo re mo itiretseng, yo o tlhophilweng ke batho ba bona gore re na le boikarabelo.

Ga re o tlhobose mo Palamenteng.


Rraetsho, banna ba ga rona ba a itse gore ga re patelediwe ke ope go bua, ga go na ope yo o re kganelang.

Batlhophi ba rona ba itse gore re senngwa leina fela, ga se gore Mapalamente a Domkrag go ganwa gore ba bue.

E nngwe ke go leboge gore rraetsho, o e tshwere sentle mo Palamenteng.

Go na le dikgotlhakgotlhano fa gongwe fale le fale mme o a supa tota gore o motsadi.
Ga go na party epe e o sokametseng ka fa go yone Mr Chairperson, ke leboge Clerk wa rona Mma Dithapo gore ene le bana ba gagwe ba tshwere.

Palamente e bodiredi jwa teng, tsamaiso ya teng ga e tshwane le the 10th Parliament e ke neng ke goroga fa.

O kgona go bona pharologanyo e ntsi.

Le gone kwa re nnang teng, renovation e ba neng ba e dira, e re thusitse thata re le Mapalamente.

Mapalamente a 10th Parliament, 11th Parliament re ne re sa nne jaaka re nna gompieno.
Go bua boammaaruri, ke tshwanetse ke leboge Mma Dithapo le bana ba gagwe gore fa e le fale, ga re reye gore o feditse, o lekile.

Bana ba gago fa re ba leletsa, re go leletsa, gone fela foo re bona thuso.

Gone fela foo boMma Mokone le Manager ba eme ka dinao, re bona thuso fa gotwe ga go na metsi le motlakase, ga go tshwane le bogologolo.

Ke ne ke re re di bue Mr Chairperson.

Le gone kwa diofising tsa rona rra, ga go tshwane le bogologolo.

Ke na le malatsinyana ke le mo Palamenteng.


Ka the 10th Parliament diofisi tsa rona di ne di sa tshwane jaaka di ntse gompieno.

Photocopiers and stationery tse re ntseng re lela ka tsone, gompieno kwa ofising ya me kwa Letlhakeng o ya go fitlhela sengwe le sengwe se le teng, uniform ya bodiredi e le teng.

Jaanong ke bona gore Mr Chairperson, go a lekiwa rra.

Ga ke reye gore go dirwa jalo mo dikgaolong tse dingwe.

Tse dingwe gongwe go a dirwa, tse dingwe ga go dirwe.
Mo kgaolong e ke tswang mo go yone Mr Chairperson, ke akgole ofisi ya rona ya ga Clerk gore mmaetsho, fa o bona kwa constituency go setse go fetoga, go raya gore go iwa golo gongwe.

Ke bue ka transport gore re emetse dikoloi Mr Minister.

Re sale re ledile gore a dikgaolo tsa rona tsa botlhopi tsa Mapalamente re nne le dikoloi tse re di dirisang.

Jaanong ga re go utlwe Minister, o didimetse thata.

Tidimalo e e sale e tswa kwa 11th Parliament, go ntse go didimetse.
Re ya ditlhophong ra tsena mo go tse dingwe ofisi ya ga Tautona e sa bue sepe.

Mr Chairperson, re a sokola rra, batlhophi ba rona ba a sokola.

Gore o ise dikwalo tsa kgaolo, o buise diphuthego, o tshwanetse wa tsenya letsogo mo kgetsaneng.

O dire eng mo kgaolong ya gago, o tshwanetse wa tsenya letsogo mo kgetsaneng.

Mr Chairperson, a go bonwe gore go ka dirwa jang.

Dikoloi di tletse kwa Central Transport Organisation (CTO), re neele mo go gologolo re nne re tsutlaganye gore batho ba ga rona ba thusege.
Fa go tsena phuthego 20 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0100 - PARLIAMENT COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ya ga Tona kana ya ga Tautona, fa o tsena o fitlhela pina ya setšhaba e bile ba feditse go e opela.

Wena o tla o re kgarakgara ka hiluxnyana go tsamaiwa ka Prado.

Jaanong re ne re kopa rraetsho gore a go dirwe jalo.

Mr Chairperson, ke botse Committee ya rona ya Standing Orders gore di tlaa tla leng kwa go rona.
Re sale re e tlisa koo gore e ye go sekasekwe, e tle e boele kwa go rona kwa Palamenteng ka gore re batla go baakanya Standing Orders Mr Chairperson.

Go na le dilo dingwe mo Palamenteng tse di sa tsamayeng sentle tse di tshwanetseng tsa baakanngwa.

Di tshwanetse tsa baakangwa through Standing Orders.

Jaanong fa Committee ya Standing Orders e ntse fela, e sa tlise kwa go rona go bona gore gatwe re ka dira jang go baakanya, ra se ka ra baakanya fa kae, nako yone e a tsamaya Mr Chairperson.
O itse gore Palamente tsamaisiwa ke Standing Orders.

HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): On a point of clarification.

Ke se ka ka go jela nako Motlotlegi Kablay, thank you very much.

O bua ntlha e e botlhokwa thata e e tsamaisang Palamente.

O tshwanetse o tlhalose gore committee e fa o bona e palelwa jaana, e eteletswe ke ba kganetso.

Ga e tsene, ga go dirwe meeting.


O bo o tlhalose gore ke eng committees tse di eteletsweng pele ke ba kganetso mme tota gone Puso …(Interruptions) … go tsamaile jang?

A go kile ga diragala jalo mo nakong e e fetileng?

MR KABLAY: Thank you Vice President (VP).

Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Mr Chairperson, fa e le gore re ka tsamaya jaana, baeteledipele ba rona ba tsamaya ka sepolotiki, re ba tlhophile ka mowa o le mongwefela, re itse gore ke bakaulengwe Mapalamente … MR LESEDI: On a point of procedure.
Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson, good afternoon.

A mme honourable yo o mo floor o tshwere sentle Mr Chairperson?

A go simologile gore committee e itlhophele gore e batla go tsena leng kana schedule usually se tla se tswa koo ka dikomiti tsa teng Mr Chairperson?

Ke a leboga.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Chairperson o bua le mokwaledi wa gagwe fa e le gore o botsa setilo.
Mokwaledi a bo a ya go bua le rraarona Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente gore, ‘ke kopa gore ka dikana ke tshware phuthego.’ Obviously Mr Speaker o bua le bana ba gagwe, o bitsa Clerk le bo monnawe gore, ‘Honourable Lesedi yo o okametseng Komiti ya Standing Orders, ka dikana o eletsa go tshwara phuthego, a ditsompelo di teng tse di yang go ba thusa?’ In short, ke wena o le moeteledipele wa komiti o bonang gore komiti ya gago e a tshela, e a bereka.

MR MMOLOTSI: Procedure.


Thank you very much Mr Chairperson.

Ke ne ke re gongwe o kare gone fa re tlaa timetsa Palamente ka gore secretariat ya rona ka fa go tsamaisiwang ka teng, ba dira dinako tse e leng gore dikomiti tse di tlaa tsena, nako e le e, go tlaa tsena tse, nako e le e go tlaa tsena tse.

Re a itse gore go na le nako e go nnang le pressing matters tse e leng gore fa o kopa o kgona go letlelelwa mme fa gongwe o se ke o letlelelwe.
Ga ke batle gore re dumalane le Mothusa Tautona fa a re dikomiti ga di tsene ka lebaka la gore di eteletswe pele ke batho ba kganetso.
Ke batla o tlhatswe kgang e ya gore schedule se dirwa ke secretariat e bile ba a supa gore dikomiti tse le tse di ya go tsena nako e, tse di ya go tsena nako e. Fa e le gore e ntse ka fa o e buang ka teng, kana go raya gore re tshwenyegile ka dikomiti tsa rona, kamoso re tlaa tla kwa ofising rotlhe Chairmen, re bo re tla go kopa go tsena re bona gore a mme mafoko a ke boammaaruri ya gore ke Chairman yo o laolang gore komiti e tsena leng.
MR CHAIRPERSON: Mmang ke le gakolole bagaetsho, secretariat le fa e dirile e ya go bitsa o le Chairman gore ka dikana komiti ya gago e tshwanetse e tsene.

Ga ba go bitse fela ba re tla o tsene komiti without liaising with you.

We are on a timed debate bagaetsho, let us find time re ye go bua ka selo se, ke sa rona.

We are on a timed project.

I will be calling upon the Honourable Minister at 4:20 p.m. to respond, re jela batho ba bangwe nako.

Honourable Kablay, please continue.


MR KABLAY: Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Ke tsaya gore rraetsho o e tlhwatsitse, a re lekeng go dira se tlhaloso ya ga Chairperson e se buang.

Ga re batle gore e re kamoso re bo re supa ope ka monwana re re dilo tsa rona ga di tsamae ka gore bo semangmang ba re.

A re beeleng dipolotiki fale batho betsho re dire tiro ya setšhaba, e e leng gore mongwe le mongwe o ka bona maduo mo tirong eo.

Ke sone se ke neng ke se kopa Mr Chairperson.


Sa bofelo Mr Chairperson, re na le mathata rraetsho a motlakase at our flats.

tsa rona.

Gongwe re neelwe a backup generator e e leng gore e tlaa re fa motlakase o tima kwa parliamentary flats, re kgone go e tshuba.

Mapalamente ba ba nnang kwa flats fa gongwe ba nna le ditshenyegelo ka weekends ba seyo ba ile gae, ba bo ba utlwa gotwe motlakase o timile.
Kana fa motlakase o timile, ba tsamaile e le gore fridges tsa bone di on, bana ba bone ba le teng koo, ga gona sepe se se ba apeelang.

Bana ba Modimo o fitlhela ba tabogile ba sa itse gore 21 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0100 - PARLIAMENT COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY tota ba ka dira jang ka gore batsadi ba a bo ba seyo, mo fridges go senyegile e le gore ga gona motlakase.

Fa Kablay a ka bo a le mo flats tse, bana ba ke ka bo ke ba lekela fale le fale.
Re ne re kopa fela gore a go nne le backup rraetsho.

Jaaka Minister a go file madi jaana, bona gore a bonyennyane bongwe o ka se ke o bo bone mo lemmenyaneng le wa re rekela backup generator gore e re fa motlakase o seyo re kgone go nna le one ka gore rotlhe ka bontsi re tswa kgakala Mr Chairperson.

I thank you sir, ke support this budget ka re a e fete.

Thank you sir.

MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITY (MR MMUSI): Thank you Rraagwe Nkamo.
Mma ke go leboge Mr Chairperson this afternoon, ke go dumedise rraetsho.

Le nna ke ne ke re ke tseye metsotsonyana e fela go akgela mo pegong e re neng re e bewa ke Tona Rre Kabo Morwaeng ya go kopela Palamente e, yone e re tlileng fa go tla go e bereka, madi.

La ntlha fela ke re ke lebogele Minister le botsamaise jwa Palamente, wena, mogoloo le bana ba Palamente, tiro e le e dirang, e le re e diretseng.

Le mo nakong e ya COVID, re ne ra kgona go tsena Palamente, ya se ka ya bo ya fosa nako epe.
Fela golo moo ke tiro e tona thata gore re ne ra kgona go tsena virtually.

E bile gape ke nne ke leboge gore e ne ya re fa Palamente e simologa, Tona a tsaya tshwetso ya gore Batswana ba ka simolola go re reetsa on television.

Golo moo go tsweletse le gompieno, Tona ga a ise a ko a go emise gope, mme fela ke nne ke mo akgole gore o ne a tsweledisa.

Ke sone se ke reng ke mo ema nokeng gore a fiwe madi a gore ditiro tse tsotlhe a nne a di tsweledise.
Ke eletsa gore gongwe Tona o ka bo a filwe madinyana a a fetang a, especially mo Development Budget ka gore mo nakong e re ntseng re le mo go yone, Palamente e tsena virtually, re ka bo gongwe nako e re eletsa gore Ntlokgolo e re ka bong re tsenela mo go yone e baakanngwa gore e kgone to comply le COVID protocols gore rotlhe re tsene re kgone to space ka fa go batliwang ka teng, go nne le phefo e e tseneletseng.

Ke dumela gore gompieno rotlhe re le Mapalamente re setse re ikentile re bo re bona booster.
Ke dumela gore Palamente e ka bo e ne ya leka go atolosiwa.

Gone foo ke rotloetse Minister gore golo moo a re go itlhaganelele gore re tle re kgone go boela to the chamber re ye go berekela teng.

maloba Minister wa Finance le nna wa Justice ra tla re tabogile ka melao e re neng re supa thata gore FATF e ne e batla gore melao e e fetisiwe e bo e tsenngwe mo tirisong, mme Palamente e ne ya bereka bosigo le motshegare.

Ke yone e e leng gore mo Paragraph 6, Minister o bua ka yone.
Re ne ra e bereka bosigo le motshegare.

Ke leboge Mapalamente gore melao e jaaka ke bua, e rile ka Labotlhano Tautona a bo a e sign gore e nne melao.

Re ne re supa jalo re le boeteledipele gore melao e tota re a e tlhoka, lefatshe le a e tlhoka ka pela.

Ke sone se ke batlang go gatelela gore golo moo e ne e se matshamekwane.

Re ne ra leka fela thata mme le gompieno e setse e beilwe monwana go nna melao.
E re ke ntse ke tsweletse Mr Chairperson, ke bue gore ke ne ke eletsa gape gore gongwe Tona o ka leka go bona gore tshireletsego kwa Palamenteng e nna e e kwa godimo.

E ne ya re maloba re le mo Palamenteng gone fa ra bona Deputy Speaker, o kua o kopa gore a o ka biletswa Ramapodise gore a tle go go thusa.

Dilo tseo di ne di sa go tseye sentle mme re kopa gore tshireletsego e leke gore e nne e e kwa godimo Minister Morwaeng.
O leke go bona gore tota Palamente e a sireletsega, go nne le tshireletsego e e bonalang mongwame, bo Speaker ba se ka ba tloga ba sa itse gore go diragala eng.

Ka nako e tabogile, mma ke tsene kwa constituency office ke re, rraetsho re lebogile thata gore Palamente e kgonne go dira gore constituency office e nne teng.

Le ka fa bana ba rona ba ba berekang kwa constituency office ba tlhokomelwang ka teng, e bile ba rutuntshiwa ka teng ke Palamente.

Ke selo se re se lebogelang fela thata.


Fela gongwe ke batla go gakolola Palamente gore, mme jaanong re le Palamente ga re rute Batswana, batlhopi kwa dikgaolong gore constituency office e tshwanetse gore e dirisiwe letsatsi le letsatsi.

E ka ba sologela mosola fa ba ka ya kwa go yone fa ba na le dikgang tse ba batlang go di rola, tse di ba tshwenyang mo kgaolong, di ka kgona to be addressed… MR CHAIRPERSON: Your time is up Honourable Minister.

MR MMUSI: Ao!

Ka bonako jang Mr Chairperson.


MR CHAIRPERSON: It is 4:20 p.m.

I have got to call upon the Honourable Minister to respond to the debate.

MR MMUSI: Thank you Mr Chairperson, I support this budget.

Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Rraetsho, ke batla go boa gape ke leboga Palamente, ene Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente le wena Deputy Speaker le bana ba Palamente gore e ne ya re MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you very much.
Honourable Minister Morwaeng please reply to the debate at 4:20 p.m. for 30 minutes.

22 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0100 - PARLIAMENT COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY FOR PRESIDENTIAL MINISTER AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): Mma ke go leboge.

Gatwe 30 minutes sir.

AND MR CHAIRPERSON: Yes sir.

Le fa o ka fetsa before that e tlaabo e le masweu mantle.

MR MORWAENG: Ke a leboga mongwame.

Ke a ikokobetsa Modulasetilo.


Ke simolole fela ka gore ke leboge gore batlotlegi botlhe ba ba buileng ke dumela ba eme nokeng kopo ya rona.

Se ba se buang, e bile ba dumalana le sone ke gore, o kare fa ne madi a le teng re ka bo re neetswe madi a a fetang a. Jaaka re lemoga, e bile re dumalana, Mma Serame Tona wa tsa Finance o ne a tlhalosa tshimologong fa a bega pego ya gagwe gore mathata a re nang le one re le Puso ke gore, letlole ga le na sepe, ke gore re amilwe ke kgang ya COVID.
Ke gore madi ga a yo a tserwe ke melemo le eng le eng.

Ka tsela eo ke re, tota ke leboga botlhe ba ba buileng bogolo jang jaaka botlhe ba eme nokeng kopo e ya rona.

Ga go na ope yo o ganneng kopo e ya rona.

Ke re ke a le leboga bakaulengwe.

Fa ke bua ka mafoko a ga Rre Mmusi ke re, mabapi le security sa Palamente rra ke tlhomamise gore ke dipuisanyo tse re tlaa di tshwarang le ba Palamente kana re tsweletse re tlaa buisana go bona gore Palamente ka sebelebele e sireletsegile go le kae.
Mapalamente a sireletsegile go le kae, Speaker le ba a dirang le bone ba sireletsegile go le kae.

Ke re ntlha e Rre Mmusi jaaka o itse motlotlegi ke e re e buisanyang le wena go tlhomamisa le go rurufatsa tshireletsego ya Batlotlegi Mapalamente.
Kgang e nngwe ke bo ke re mabapi le staff sa Palamente ke supe gore, tota boammaaruri ke gore go rutuntsha staff sa rona sa Palamente go ntse le dikgoreletsi mabapi le COVID, jaaka ke supile gore kgang e ya COVID batlotlegi e amile makalana otlhe a Puso, e amile ditirelo tsotlhe.

Le fa go ntse jalo bangwe ba tsweletse mabapi le kgang e ya go dira dilo online.

Ke dumela gore e tlaa re April a simologa go rutuntsha le go tokafatsa bana ba rona ba ba re thusang ke dilo tse di tlaa tswelelang.
Ntlha e nngwe ke gore ee ke boammaaruri gore ba Attorney General (AG) ba a thusa ka kgang ya go ka re fa ba re ka dirisanyang le bone go re thusa mo go tsa molao.

Kgang ya transportation; kana le a itse batlotlegi gore thulaganyo e teng mo gompienong ya Mapalamente ke gore ba neetswe sengwenyana mo e leng gore ke Transport Allowance e maikaelelo e neng e le gone go ba thusa mabapi le transport ya bone, gore batlotlegi ba rona ba kgone gore ba thusege.
Betsho fa go ne go kgonega… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Chairperson.

Procedure Mr MR MORWAENG: Ke kopa gore mma ke bue, ke arabeng, at least 5 minutes, a bo e le gone le tsenang.

Ke tlaa go fa sebaka Rre Hikuama.

Wena kana ga o tshwane le Rre Ramogapi.

MR RAMOGAPI: Procedure Mr Chairperson.

Ke re Motlotlegi Tona yo o tlotlegang o fapogile tsela, o tsietsa le setšhaba.
Kana allowance e e teng Mr Chairperson, e a e buang, e ne e le gore re ne re neelwa dikoloi mo Gaborone, tse re neng re tla Palamenteng ka tsone.

Jaanong gone gatwe dikoloi tseo di a emisiwa ka gore di a tura.

Go bo gotwe mme jaanong dirisang tsa lona le tseye allowance.

Ga se a Constituency Allowance gotlhelele.

A ko a baakanye kgang fela a e tlhamalatse.

A se ka a batla go re bolaisa batho kwa dikgaolong ba re le neetswe dikoloi, Honourable Moatlhodi dirang.

Ga se yone e re e dumalaneng sir.


Sir nnyaa o a busa, se re dire jalo.

Ke a leboga.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister, o a busa sir.

MR MORWAENG: Ke a leboga.

Re direla setšhaba mokaulengwe wa me Rre Ramogapi.

Re batlhanka ba setšhaba.

HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): On a point of elucidation Mr Chairperson.

Kgang e tlhamaletse Rre Morwaeng o e bua sentle.

A ko re direng dilo jaaka bagolo.

Allowance eo is extra beneficiation ya bone ka gore ga ba e tseye fela ba le mo Gaborone.
They get it even when Parliament is not sitting.

It is an increment in an actual fact.

That is why Makhanselara ba ne ba lwa ka yone ba re le okeleditswe madi.

You benefit even if you are not here.

Ga se e o ka e buang o kare o raya gore le e tsaya fela fa le le mo Gaborone.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Chairperson.

Procedure Mr MR TSOGWANE: There is nothing out of procedure.
You are right, we are going to tell the people you get that allowance and le re bolaisitse Makhanselara ka allowance eo… 23 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0100 - PARLIAMENT COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY HONOURABLE MEMBER: O lelela eng?

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR TSOGWANE: Didimalang!

e tlaa le direla mathata.

Didimalang because le e tsaya fela le fa le se mo Gaborone.

E didimaleleng.

A e nne phithela kgomo ya serotswana.

Ga le ka ke la tla la sekisa Mr Morwaeng ka yone.


HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!

)… MR CHAIRPERSON: May we have order please!

MR CHAIRPERSON: Order please!

Ke tshwanetse go tlhalosetsa Honourable Keorapetse; there was somebody who was holding the floor, yo o neng Vice President (VP) a kopa go oketsa se a neng a se bua.

Who was that?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Morwaeng.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Morwaeng yes, thank you.

MR MORWAENG: Ke a leboga sir.


Jaanong ke ne ke re ka tsela eo... MR TSOGWANE: Fa e le gore ga e a nna jaaka ke bua e tlaabo e le…(inaudible)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Murmurs)... HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!

)… MR CHAIRPERSON: May we have order please!

Let us have order please.

Order!

You are out of order Honourable Kapinga, please!

Hei banna!

MR KAPINGA: VP is also out of order.

You should tell him.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Please be quiet Honourable Kapinga.

VP ga a bue, go bua lona.


Heelang, bagaetsho can we have order!

I shall park you fa le ntshamekisa.

Honourable Keorapetse what is your procedure.

MR KEORAPETSE: My procedure ke gore nkgakolole ka ya nako Mr Chairperson.

Ke bona Honourable Morwaeng a kwaletse 30 minutes.

Santlha ke ne ke botsa gore a mme ke yone?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ke yone, ka re 30 minutes is the agreed time.

MR KEORAPETSE: Ke a go utlwa Mr Chairperson.


On a second point ya procedure ke gore, e se ka ya nna o kare o tshaba Mothusa Tautona Modulasetilo.

Ga a na tshwanelo ya go bua jaaka fa a batla, le go buisa ba bangwe a ba garaswanya jaaka fa a dira.

Selo seo ke se etse thoko, bogolo jang fa o le mo setilong seo.

Ga ke itse gore a o dirwa ke gore ke wena o mo letlelelang, ka gore behaviour e ya gagwe e ga se gantsi fa e le substantive speaker a leng mo setilong seo a e dira.
Re ne re kopa ka tsweetswee gore a re tseye fela ka tlotlo, ga a na tshwanelo ya go re buisa jaaka a batla le go bua jaaka a batla.

Ke a leboga.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O nyatsa Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Gape ga re mmereke.

Procedure.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Order bagaetsho!

May we have order please!

Bagaetsho, Honourable Morwaeng was on the floor, His Honour the Leader of the House asked for elucidation and Honourable Morwaeng agreed.
Elucidation is a process e le e dirisang lona Batlotlegi Mapalamente, ga ke itse gore jaanong fa Motlotlegi Minister a dumalane le His Honour the VP gore he can elucidate, jaanong nna gatwe ke mo kganele eng?

I could not stop him.

The holder of the floor had agreed with him, that is the procedure.

Fa ba dumalane ga gona gore ke ka reng, ke laola mongwe le mongwe ke le fa, including His Honour the VP, o utlwa ka nna fa ke le fa, ga ke laolwe ke ope, ke laolwa ke Standing Order, full stop!
Honourable Morwaeng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Chairperson.

Procedure Mr MR MORWAENG: Mma ke go leboge rraetsho, ke ka tswelela sir?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ema pele honourable.

Bagaetsho, we are on a timed project, re bereka ka nako.

What is your procedure Honourable Mmolotsi?

MR MMOLOTSI: Point of procedure.


Mr Chairperson, tota ke ne ke kopa gore a ko re lekeng go tsenya Mothusa Tautona mo tseleng ka gore tota fa re ka mo tlogela a dira Palamente ka fa e dirang ka teng, e setse e tlhofofetse mo go gakgamatsang ka lebaka la dilo tse o fitlhelang a di bua di sena boammaaruri.

Golo moo Mr Chairperson, ke bona go tswelela mme o kare re a go letlelela fela re le Speakership... MR CHAIRPERSON: What is your procedure?
MR MMOLOTSI: My Procedure is that Mothusa Tautona o ntsha Palamente mo tseleng nako le nako, le gompieno jaana se a se buang, o a itse gore ga se 24 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0100 - PARLIAMENT COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY boammaaruri mme o mo tlogela fela instead of ruling him out gore kgang e o e buang Mothusa Tautona ga se boammaaruri.

O a mo tlogela fela.

Ke motho wa mofuta mang?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order Mr Chairperson.


MR CHAIRPERSON: Emang pele bagaetsho, ema pele Your Honour... MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Mmolotsi... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order.

MR MMOLOTSI: Ke Mothusa Tautona wa mofuta mang Mr Chairperson... MR CHAIRPERSON: Order!

Order!

I have to respond, he has stood on a point of order, let us have order bagaetsho.
Kgang e ya lona ya allowances tsa dikoloi, le tlaa e bua kwa General Assembly, we are on a project e e berekang ka nako, le ntse le lela ka 30 minutes gompieno.

I am not going to allow this issue ya dikoloi to be debated now, let us reserve it for Thursday.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O itse gore ga gona boammaaruri from the VP.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Let us have order please!

Honourable Morwaeng.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR MORWAENG: Ke a leboga.

Mr Chairperson, ke saletswe ke metsotso e e kae sir?
MR SPEAKER: Sorry?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... MR CHAIRPERSON: Let us have order!

Order!

LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Nnyaa the Chairperson has ruled on procedure... MR CHAIRPERSON: Ema pele Your Honour.

I have ruled on that matter gore re tlaa e bua re le kwa General Assembly.

Kgang e e ntshenyetsa phuthego, we cannot talk about it now please.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... MR TSOGWANE: Tanki Mr Speaker.
Mr Chairperson, ke ne ke ithaya ke re gongwe your ruling was, kana this debate is timed, jaanong re se ka ra e bua ka point of orders le point of procedures but nna ke ja mo nakong ya Minister to clarify my position.

Ga ke tlhokane le go ya kwa General Assembly because I am telling the truth.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR CHAIRPERSON: I have ruled on the matter Your Honour gore re se ka ra e bua gone fa.

Honourable Morwaeng.

MR MORWAENG: Ke saletswe ke metsotso e kae sir?


HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... MR CHAIRPERSON: Nako ya gago ke eo moo, o na le nako e ntsi thata, you still have 24 minutes left.

MR MORWAENG: Thank you sir.

Mabapi le se Motlotlegi Kablay a neng a se bua, mathata a kwa Mapalamente a nnang teng, kgang ya backup tsa generators le metsi a re di baakanngwe, tota boamaaruri ke jaaka a bua.

Ke tsaya gore ke dintlha tse di tshwanetseng to be attended gore... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation Minister.
MR MORWAENG: Thank you Your Honour.

MR CHAIRPERSON: VP, please go ahead.

MR TSOGWANE: Point of elucidation.

Mr Chairperson, point e ke e buang e, I am very serious ka yone because I am refuting allegation e e neng e buiwa ke Rre Ramogapi a re madi a ke a re a neelwang fela gore re se ka ra dirisa dikoloi fa re le mo Gaborone.

I am saying... MR CHAIRPERSON: Let us have order Honourable Mmolotsi.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Re tlaa di bua tsotlhe gone fa, ga go sena e e buiwang kwa General Assembly, ba tlaabo ba baka.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Moswaane, mind your decorum.

Honourable Minister.

MR MORWAENG: Ee rra ke a leboga Modulasetilo.

Rraetsho, matshwenyego a Motlotegi Rre Kablay a a buileng ke boammaaruri a tshwanetse a lebiwe mabapi le kgang ya back up generators le metsi, gore bakaulengwe Mapalamente ba tle ba kgone ba dire sentle go sena dikgoreletsi.
Ke dumela gore fa masheleng a le teng, ke dilo tse di tlaa lebiwang.

Ntlha e nngwe ya dikomiti jalo ke dumela gore le yone ke e e tlaa buisanngwang kwa General Assembly jaaka Motlotlegi Rre Kablay a bua mabapi le kgang ya 25 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0100 - PARLIAMENT COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY Standing Orders mo Palamenteng.

Re mo ngwageng wa boraro mme ka fa a neng a tlhalosa ka teng, di saletse kwa morago, di tshwanetse to be attended.
Komiti e teng e e tshwanetseng e bo e itebagantse le standing Orders tse.

Ka tsela eo ke dumela gore rotlhe ba re mo Palamenteng, re tlaa dumalana ka gore jaaka Honourable Kablay a bua, Palamente e tsamaisiwa ka Standing Orders.

Ke tsaya gore re tlaa ikitaya ka thupana rotlhe re le Palamente ba re amegang go bona gore kgang ya Standing Orders, let us attend it kwa General Assembly ka bofefo jo bo kgonagalang gore e se ka ya tloga ya felela e tlile go buelwa fa e buelwang teng jaana.
E ka tswa e le kgang ya kutlobotlhoko ya gore gongwe e bo e sa bolo go dirwa because re mo ngwageng wa boraro mme ke tsaya gore e tlaa buiwa kwa General Assembly gore e wele sentle.

Ntlha e nngwe ke ya gore Mopalamente mongwe o ne a supile gore Mapalamente a Party ya Domkrag a buile mafoko a go ba nyenyafatsa, ka fa Motlotlegi Rre Kablay a bua ka teng.
Rre Kablay o bolelela ruri gore Mapalamente ba rile mo Ntlong e rotlhe re fa re tlhophilwe ke batho, ba na le tshepho mo go rona mme e bile re fa ka maikaelelo a go direla bagarona.

Jaanong ka bokhutshwane se Rre Kablay a neng a se supa gore Mapalamente a Domkrag ba itsaya tsia, ba itlotla gotlhelele fela sir.

Ke batho ba ba itlotlang, ke dumalana le Rre Kablay ka yone eo gore go ba nyenyafatsa le go ba buisa jaaka mongwe a ne a ba buisa, ga se mo go amogelesegang.
E bile tota keletso ke gore a re direng dilo sentle, a re buisanyeng sentle ka tlotlo, re se ka ra iphitlhela re buisitse batlotlegi ba bangwe ka mafoko a a leng gore fa a arabiwa, go tlaabo go sa nne sentle, re kgone go tswelela ka go tlotla Ntlo e fano.

Motlotlegi Rre Lucas, molekane wa me, son of my mother, o ne a bua ka kgang ya gore Palamente ga e independent mme ke re Palamente e independent, e ikemetse.

A re dumalaneng bakaulengwe gore gongwe re bona dilo ka go tlhoka go tshwana.
Tumelo ya me ke gore Motlotlegi Rre Lucas, Motlotlegi Rre Hikuama, Motlotlegi Rre Kekgonegile, Motlotlegi Rre Saleshando le ba bangwe ba kganetso, ba gololesegile mo Palamenteng, unless ba nthaya ba re ga ba a gololesega, maikutlo a bone le ka fa ba dumelang gore ba dikgaolo tsa bone ba ka emelwa ka teng, ga fa ba re ba kgoreletsegile, tota ba tshwanetse ba supe gore ba re ba kgoreletsegile jang.

fiwa nako e e lekanang.

Re fiwa nako ka go tshwana go tla ka megopolo, Motions le dipotso.
Ga go na ope yo o kgorelediwang.

Mapalamente otlhe a a mo Palamenteng e a gololesegile, mme ba ba reng Palamente e ga e a gololesega go simolola ka nako ya boipuso, ke re nnyaa, balakaulengwe… HONOURABLE MEMBER: O se ka wa lebala gore o ntsholofeditse metsotsonyana e mebedi.

MR MORWAENG: Nnyaa rra, one second sir.

Ke a mo fa.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Hikuama, ga ke itse se le se fanang.

MR HIKUAMA: Clarification.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Please, go ahead Honourable Member.
MR HIKUAMA: Ke a leboga Honourable Morwaeng.

Ke a leboga ka tsibogo ya gago o tsibogela tse di builweng ke Mapalamente.

Go na le ntlha e ke batlang gore o fete ka yone thata fela le gone, ya officers le tirelo ya diofisi tsa Mapalamente.

Go ya ka wena, o bona gore ofisi yone e is empowered mo e ka kgonang go thusa Mopalamente go atlega mo ditirong tsa gagwe, ka gore selo santlha ga ba na dikoloi le ditsompelo tse ba di dirisang, le fa e le gone go ya go sela dikgang and attend mathata a batlhophi?
A mme ga o bone gore nako e tlile ya gore re leke bogolo ba fiwe koloi e ba ka e dirisang, kana ba nne le access fela mo dikoloing, ba di fiwe gore ba kgone go sianela kwa ba tlhokegang teng?

Ke a leboga.

MR MORWAENG: Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Rre Hikuama.


Jaaka ke tlhalositse ke re fa itsholelo le bokgoni di le teng, tota Palamente go ne go ka dirwa tsotlhe tse di kgonegang gore sengwe le sengwe se se ka dirang gore Palamente e direle batho including diofisi tsa rona kwa magaeng tsa Mapalamente, nako ya itsholelo e letla, ke dilo dingwe tse di ka lebiwang.
Mo bogompienong, ga se kgang ya gore ke kgano kana ya gore ga go bonwe botlhokwa jwa megopololo e e teng ya gore e kare ofisi ya Mopalamente go ka bo go na le se le se, bodiredi jwa Mapalamente kwa dikgaolong ba ka bo ba na le se le se gore ba ise ditlamelo kwa bathing.

Pitlagano e e teng, mathata a a teng ke ditsompelo; itsholelo e e kwa tlase.

Foo ke tshwanetse ke supe gore tota ga se ka lepe, ke itsholelo e e kwa tlase e seng sepe gape.
Fela ka fa go ntseng ka teng, Batswana ba ka supa, ba ka tlhomamisa gore Palamente e, mongwe le mongwe ga go na yo o kganelwang go ntsha maikutlo a gagwe mo go yone Palamente e. Ga go kgorelediwe ope, rotlhe re Mokaulengwe wa me Honourable Lucas o ne a re Palamente e a nyadiwa, ke re nnyaa batho betsho, Palamente ya Botswana ga e ise e nyadiwe ke Puso ka epe nako; gotlhelele.
26 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0100 - PARLIAMENT COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY Mokaulengwe o buile ka Constitutional Review, gore Mapalamente ga a itse, ke re ae, ga se nnete se morwarre a se buang.

Kgang ya Constitutional Review Commission ga go a tlolwa molao ope mo Constitution ya lefatshe la Botswana.

Tautona o setse morago molao ka fa o ntseng ka teng kwa ntleng ga go o roba gope, mme e bile o tlhophile Commission kwa ntle ga go roba molao ope.
Ka tsela eo, ga se nnete se Motlotlegi Rre Lucas a reng Tautona o tlhophile Commission ka nako ya Palamente e phatlaletse, jalojalo.

Re ne re le mo go yone Palamente e motlotlegi mongwe a ema ka dinao a re Tautona o tsaya nako go tlhopha commission, go sa le go solofeditswe Batswana.

Tautona o dirile jalo a letlwa ke molao, a sa o roba.
Commission e e na le batho; bomme le borre ba ba nang le maikarabelo, bo agente, bo former judge, le bo mang ba ba itseng tsamaiso, ba e leng gore ga go na ope wa bone yo o neng a ka tsena mo selong se se duleng mo tseleng.

Se ke se kopang morwarre Lucas ke gore, a re rotloetseng batho ba ye go ntsha megopolo ya bone.
Commission e ga se ya rona re le mapolotiki kana re le diphathi fela, Motswana mongwe le mongwe, including politicians, mekgatlho e e farologaneng, le diphathi tsa sepolotiki and everybody else, ba na le tshwanelo ya go ka isa megopolo ya bone… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR MORWAENG: Ke tlaa tla ke go fa, tlaa ke wetse.


Ka tsela eo, Constitutional Review, kopo yame mo setšhabeng ke gore a batho ba ye kwa commission ba ye go ntsha maikutlo a bone kwa ntleng ga go kgorelediwa even by being misled ke ope ba re ba se ka ba ya koo.

Nnyaa, a Batswana ba ye go ntsha megopolo ya bone, commission e e ka fa molaong batho betsho… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Fa o feletswe, nneela ke go thuse.

MR MORWAENG: Nnyaa, ema pele.


Go na le kgang e Morwarre Lucas a re kana jaanong re tshwanetse gore Moeteledipele wa Kganetso a tloge a buise diphuthego mo dikgaolong a reng a reng.

Ntlha e re kile ra e bua tsala yame Motlotlegi Lucas ya gore tumelo ke gore Moeteledipele wa Kganetso ke Moeteledipele wa Kganetso and to the best of my knowledge, mo Palamenteng, mme e bile batho ba itse maikaelelo, maikutlo le se diphathi tsa kganetso di se emetseng.
Jaanong fa o re a ye kwa dikgaolong tsa rona, a ye go bua eng kwa dikgaolong tsa rona?

A bue eng ka gore o bua mo Palamenteng; he is the Leader of Opposition in Parliament?

Jaanong kwa dikgaolong tsa rona, o beile bangwe gore ba emele ditlhopho gore ba fenya, batho ba ba ganne, jaanong fa ba ba ganne kwa Molepolole, o bo o re a ye Molepolole a ye go buisa batho gore kganetso ba reng, o bua mo Palamenteng mo as the Leader of Opposition gore a tlhalose the side ya the opposition collective mo Palamenteng.
Jaanong e gotweng jaanong a bo a tsamaya a buisa diphuthego tsa Dikgotla mo dikgaolong tsa rona, nnyaa mokaulengwe.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go siame re tlaa mo laletsa kwa go tsa rona ee.

MR MORWAENG: Ee, mo laletseng kwa go tsa lona, gakere ke lona batho ba le jang le ene; mo laletseng teng.

Ga go molato.

Tsamaiso yone eo, a re e saleng morago bakaulengwe; Moeteledipele wa Kganetso re mo fe tlotla e e mo lebanyeng.

He is the Leader of Opposition in Parliament, a re mo feng tlotla eo.
Jaanong le lese gore a dire tse e seng tiro ya gagwe.

Eo go na le ba ba e dirang.

Ntlha e ke wetsang ka yone ya ga Rre Moatlhodi ya gore… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification, Mr Morwaeng.

MR MORWAENG: Nnyaa, motsotso fela mokaulengwe.

Ya ga Rre Moatlhodi e a neng a re badiredi kwa Palamenteng jalojalo, ke re bagaetsho, pitlagano e tona ke kgang ya masheleng.
Tota jaaka Mme Mma Serame a buile kwa tshimologong, ga go na lekalana kana lephata lepe mo Pusong le le neetsweng madi ka fa ba neng ba eleditse ka teng.

Mathata a teng ke seemo sa itsholelo mo nakong e re leng mo go yone.

Re ka bo re na le madi to attend dikgang tse dingwe.

Mabapi le kgang ya gore Palamente e tshwanetse e nne independent, bagaetsho, a re amogeleng gore re leba dilo ka go farologana.
Ke itse gore rotlhe re ne re tswa kwa bathong re tswa go kopa Batswana gore ba re tlhophe re tle Palamenteng re tle go ba emela because re ne re na le tshepho mo Palamenteng yone e. Ke kopa gore bagaetsho, Palamente e e ikemetse, e dira tiro ya yone ka botlalo.

Mongwe le mongwe Mopalamente yo o fa o tlhophilwe ke batho, o na le ditshwanelo, o buelelela ba kgaolo ya gagwe a sa kgale mathe, a sa kgorelediwe ke ope.

Ke a dumela gore budget ya Palamente ya rona madi a kwa tlase.
Ke a dumela gore a kwa tlase, jaaka ke supile gore e kare a ka bo a feta a batho betsho, mme kgang ya independence ya Palamente ke e buile jaaka e ne e buiwa le ke moeteledipele wa ba kganetso, it is sorted, a re dumalaneng gore ga re lebe dilo ka go tshwana.

27 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0100 - PARLIAMENT COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY Ntlha e nngwe mokaulengwe o ne a buile ka kgang ya melao ke re, mongwe le mongwe o na le tshwanelo ya go tlisa molao mo Palamenteng e le Mopalamente.
Then kgang ya Standing Committee ya remuneration ya Mapalamente, ke ne ke re re tlaa e bua kwa General Assembly, Motlotlegi Rre Saleshando.

Mme fela jaaka ke ne ka bua last time, gore nnyaa, Bill eo e teng e ready, mme ke tlaa kopa mo boeteledingpele gore ke tle re tle go e buisanya kwa General Assembly so that re tle re e tlise kwa Palamenteng.

Ke tsaya gore Motlotlegi Rre Saleshando, ga se gore fa a re Palamente ga e effective, ga e kgone, ke dumela gore ene o intsha mo teng, o dumela gore o a kgona.
Tota Palamente yotlhe le rona re le Mapalamente, tumelo ya me ke gore Palamente ya rona e a kgona, e dira tiro ya yone jaaka go supegile ka melao e mentsi e e fetileng e re e pasitseng.

Stability se re nang le sone mo lefatsheng le mo gompienong is because these three arms of Government di bereka sentle, they operate sentle.
Palamente ya Botswana, Judiciary le Executive ya lefatshe operate sentle, so yo o ka nyatsang Palamente ya Botswana ka tsela e Motlotlegi Rre Saleshando a neng a nyatsa Palamente ka yone o... MR CHAIRPERSON: Order Honourable Minister!

It is 4:50 p.m.

I have to put a question.

MR MORWAENG: Nnyaa rra, ke saletswe ke five minutes.

MR CHAIRPERSON: The time is 4:50 p.m.

I am in charge.
I am in charge.

Honourable Members, the question is that the sum of P154, 921, 510 for Organisation 0100 in the schedule stand part of the schedule, and the revised total estimated cost for the sub-organisation in Organisation 0100 in the development fund estimates stand part of those estimates.

Question put and agreed to.

ORGANISATION 0200 -PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Members ...(Interruptions)... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba ntshe matsogo a magologolo.
MR CHAIRPERSON: Let us have order please!

Bagaetsho, we are talking budget, you have to be quiet.

Honourable Members, please note that two hours 50 minutes have been allocated to this Organisation and I shall call upon the Honourable Minister to reply to the debate at 12:05 p.m. tomorrow and the question will be put at 12:35 p.m.

The matter is open for debate.

Honourable Member for Ngami.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga a present pele?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Of course, ke batla go fetsa tiro.


Honourable Minister, please present your debate.

FOR PRESIDENTIAL MINISTER AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente gore o bo o mphile sebaka gape rraetsho.

Fela jaaka o setse o supile gore re alotswe ke nako, ga ke na go nna moleele, ke tlaa nna mokhutshwane, I will summarise kopo ya rona.
Mr Chairperson, thank you for the opportunity to present the budget request for the 2022/2023 Recurrent and Development Budget for departments under the Ministry for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration (MOPAGPA).

For the Recurrent Budget, I request a total amount of P1 578, 505,130 and for the Development Budget I request an amount of P997, 215,109.

Mr Chairperson, it is worth noting that we are now coming to the last year of the National Development Plan (NDP) 11.
With all the challenges that we faced as a nation which to a great extent have interrupted the implementation of many of our planned activities and impacted in many ways the quality of life of many Batswana, we must enter the next phase of our development with a renewed resolve to achieve “Prosperity for All,” as per our aspiration as set forth in the Vision 2036.
We therefore are at a point where as a nation we have to look back and evaluate our performance over the years and more importantly to chart a new development path comprising strategies that can best usher us into a future of opportunities.

Mr Chairperson, as we strive to pursue Botswana’s vision, our development strategies must seek to embrace the transformation of our economy to that of a digital economy through a broader people-centred governance framework.
We must recommit to building strong institutions that will direct and set the moral compass for our development as a sovereign country.

In as much as Parliament and other independent arms of Government, 28 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 -PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATIONCOMMITTEE OF SUPPLY as well as Bogosi are expected to remain instrumental in our governance system, they must be continuously renewed and revamped to meaningfully execute their mandates.
It is against this background that I note with admiration, Mr Chairperson, the ongoing work of the Presidential review of our Constitution which His Excellency the President set up from the 10th January 2022 to 30th September 2022.

I wish to implore all political formations and the civil society, as well as the public at large to urge communities in general to take keen interest and actively participate in the work of the commission.
Mr Chairperson, in general across Government, during the financial year 2022/2023, focus will be on the development of the next NDP 12.

Logically, the work will entail the review of performance in terms of extent of implementation of the following key documents, NDP 11, Mid-Term Review, NDP 11 and the Economic Recovery and Transformation Plan (ERTP), as well as the RESET Agenda championed by His Excellency the President.
As the saying goes, to leap into the future, we must first look back at our past performance for valuable lessons.

It is against this background that I will now present the following report which covers budget performance for the current financial year as well as the budget request for the 2022/2023 financial year.
The key organisations covered by this report include the following: State House, Office of the President (OP), Directorate of Public Service Management (DPSM), National AIDS and Health Promotion Agency (NAPHA), Office of the Former President Mogae, Department of Information Services, Department of Broadcasting Services, Government Printing and Publishing Services (GPPS), National Strategy Office (NSO), Directorate on Corruption and Economic Crime (DCEC), Directorate of Intelligence and Security (DIS), Office of the Former President Khama, and Counter Terrorism Analysis and Fusion Agency (CTAFA).
Public Sector Reforms Mr Chairperson, during the 2021/2022, we continued to enhance our governance structures, facilitated the development of select national development initiatives, and the development of legislative instruments required to meet the continuously changing national development environment.
Allow me Mr Chairperson to mention the following: National Transformation Strategy Significant progress has been made Mr Chairperson in the development of the National Transformation Strategy and the expectation is that the first phase of the strategy dubbed NTS 1, will be available by end of the first quarter of the 2022/2023 Financial Year.

As you may be aware, the strategy development process began in 2019.
Mr Chairperson, Government has also identified the need to develop and implement an overarching Ownership Policy for State Owned Enterprises (SOEs).

This is with a view to provide a framework to set parameters for oversight as well as provide conducive conditions for the optimal performance of SOEs.

In this regard, the work on the development of the policy will commence in the first quarter of 2022/2023.
Mr Chairperson, during the 2021/2022 Financial Year, Government undertook a major reform of rationalization of its portfolio responsibilities, in order to refocus mandates in line with the current developments and demands.

This is intended to ensure enhanced delivery and achievement of key priority areas; being the achievement of sustained economic development, through citizen empowerment and diversification accelerated job creation, especially among the youth.
This should facilitate the smooth implementation of the National Transformation Agenda and the subsequent National Development Plans.

To this end, my ministry, is undertaking a whole-of- Government project, aimed at evaluating Workforce Planning Systems which once refined will form part of annual workforce management protocols in the public service by identifying utilization levels of the workforce across all vocational and professional disciplines.
Mr Chairperson, Government and the Public Service Trade Unions have also signed an agreement that will result in the commencement of efforts to resuscitate the Public Service Bargaining Council (PSBC).

The PSBC will enhance the industrial relations landscape resulting in harmonious employment relations in the Public Service with a view to improve delivery of services countrywide.
CORRUPTION PREVENTION Mr Chairperson, we have managed to implement a few capacity building interventions at the Directorate on Corruption and Economic Crime (DCEC) in partnership 29 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 -PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATIONCOMMITTEE OF SUPPLY with the Commonwealth Africa Anti-Corruption Centre.
These interventions which serve to facilitate an increase in the uptake of the anti-corruption initiatives, will go a long way in ensuring that the DCEC officers are competent to fight and reduce corruption throughout the country.

Furthermore, at the DCEC we developed a Quality Management System (QMS) and a Results Based Monitoring and Evaluation System (RBMES), both through the technical assistance of United Nations Development Programme (UNDP).
Finally, in this section Mr Chairperson, we have started the amendment of the Whistleblowing Act.

So far, the Act has been reviewed by a Technical Committee comprising all the Section 8, Whistleblowing Act institutions.

A national workshop on Whistle-blower protection was also held in November 2021 with the technical assistance of the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime.

The idea is to have a much more robust law, conforming to international best practice.
COUNTER TERRORISM ANALYSIS Mr Chairperson, the fight against terrorism is heavily reliant upon forging partnerships regionally and internationally to promote collaboration and information sharing.

As the first country to adopt the Countering Terrorist Travel Programme (CTTP), Botswana has been requested to be the inaugural chair of the SADC Informal Working Group (IWG) which will be launched in June 2022.
The IWG is a forum for cooperation and exchange of information between Passenger Information Units (PIU).

TRANSFORMATION OF BROADCASTING SERVICES Mr Chairperson, for the purpose of supporting and adding impetus to our local creative industry, under the Department of Broadcasting, we are remodelling and repurposing the auditorium at Mass Media Complex.

We will provide advanced and world class production studios and related facilities that will be made accessible to the local creative industry.
This is in line with the findings of a feasibility study of the creative industry which was carried out to determine the challenges, opportunities, and solutions needed to kick-start the industry.

The purpose of the study was to come up with a comprehensive strategy for the promotion of the creative industry by outlining opportunities throughout the value chain of the sector.
EMPOWERMENT OF PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES Mr Chairperson, with regard to domesticating the Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities and ensuring effective implementation of the recently approved Revised National Disability Policy, it is imperative therefore that Government assume a lead role in prioritizing budgets to support national frameworks designed to address issues of people with disabilities.
Prioritized funding decisions would require stakeholders to allocate more for programmes and services of people with disabilities for a sustainable long term finance interventions.

2022/2023 BUDGET PROPOSALS Having said that Mr Chairperson, allow me to proceed and present the 2022/2023 Recurrent and the Development Budget for departments under Ministry for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration.
For the Recurrent Budget, I request a total of One Billion, Five Hundred and Seventy-Eight Million, Five Hundred and Five Thousand, One Hundred and Thirty Pula (P1 578 505 130) which represents a reduction of Six Million, One Hundred and Thirty-Six Thousand, One Hundred and Ninety Pula (P6 136 190) or 0.39 per cent over the 2021/2022 budget.
Regarding the Development Budget, I am requesting for a total amount of Nine Hundred and Ninety-Seven Million, Two Hundred and Fifteen Thousand, One Hundred and Nine Pula (P997 215 109).

This is a 60.12 per cent increase from the 2021/2022 Budget of Six Hundred and Twenty-Two Million, Seven Hundred and Ninety-Eight Thousand, Six Hundred and Eighty-Three Pula (P622 798 683).

Mr Chairperson, this concludes my proposal.


I therefore, request that the sum of One Billion, Five Hundred and Seventy-Eight Million, Five Hundred and Five Thousand, One Hundred and Thirty Pula (P1 578 505 130) for the Recurrent Budget and an amount of Nine Hundred and Ninety-Seven Million, Two Hundred and Fifteen Thousand, One Hundred and Nine Pula (P997 215 109) stand part of the Estimates for the 2022/2023 Financial Year.

I move accordingly.

I thank you Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Order!


Honourable Members.

The matter is open for debate... .

Kgantele I saw letsogo la ga Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Ngami, o le ntshitse?

You are not interested in this heading?

Honourable Hikuama, o le ntshitse?

30 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 -PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATIONCOMMITTEE OF SUPPLY …Silence… MR CHAIRPERSON: I assume o le ntshitse ka ga le bonale.

MR MMOLOTSI (FRANCISTOWN SOUTH): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.
E bile ke lebogela tshono ya go akgela mo chapter e ya Office of the President (OP).

Ke batla gore selo sa ntlha Mr Chairperson, ke supe gore fa o lebelela madi a a kopiwang ke Tona Morwaeng, a a kopela ofisi ya ga Tautona, o kgona go bona gore dilo di a fetoga jaanong.

Madi a mantsi a lefatshe la Botswana a simolola go tsamaela kwa ofising ya ga Tautona.

O kgona go utlwa a bua ka koketsego ya over 61 per cent mo budget ya last year, gore golo fa go na le mathata.
Re mo seemong se re le lefatshe re tlhokang gore go ka bo go itshupa gore koketsego ya madi e ya kwa maphateng a sele a a tshwanang le Agriculture.

Re dumela gore ke one a a ka thusang to turnaround seemo sa lehuma mo lefatsheng la Botswana le mo maphateng a mangwe a re dumelang gore a ka thusa mo go tsosoloseng itsholelo.

Go a itshupa Mr Chairperson gore re tsamaela go sele ka gore OP e setse e iphetotse an investment arm of Government.
E setse e batla to compete le Botswana Development Corporation (BDC), ba ba tshwanelwang ke to invest for Goromente.

Go setse go itshupile, re bone gore OP e setse e reka lodge, e na le kgatlhego ya go ya go tlhabolola kwa Okavango.

Mr Chairperson, fa o bona go tsena mo seemong se, o itse gore lefatshe le tsena mo mathateng.

Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, ke bona go na le mathata a matona gore e bo budget ya OP e ya go oketsega ka over 61 per cent.
Lefatshe la rona le mo mathateng a tlala, ga re na dipilisi kwa dikokelong, batho ba rona ba mo mathateng a a gakgamatsang, ga go na dipilisi tsa malwetse a matona.

Fa go ntse jalo, ofisi ya ga Tautona e bona go siame gore e ka tsaya madi a a kanakana.

Mr Chairperson, go a tshwenya ka gore re setse re lemogile wasteful expenditure e re e bonang kwa ofising ya ga Tautona.

O tlaa gakologelwa gore mo nakong e e fetileng, re ne re bona armoured cars tsa millions tse di neng di rekwa gotwe ke tsa ga Tautona.
Mme re tswelela ka go bona Tautona a tsamaya ka hilux e a ikgweetsang mo go yone.

Di ne di rekwa gotwe botshelo jwa ga Tautona bo mo diphatseng.

Jaanong o ipotsa gore ba lebetse leng ka bofefo gore botshelo jwa ga Tautona bo mo diphatseng.

Mo nakong ya gompieno o tlhokomogile dikoloi tsa madi a a kanakana, o itsamela ka hilux e tshweu fela e o a kareng ya me.
If we are not going to prioritise expenditure ya rona, re tlile go iphitlhela re le mo mathateng, re rwele dilo jaaka re rwele armoured cars jaana mme di sena tiro.

Batho ba se na dipilisi kwa magaeng, go se na dijo mo lefatsheng, bana ba tertiary institutions ba ba neng ba tshwanetse to be taken over for sponsorship go sa kgonagale gore ba thusiwe gore ba duelelwe dikole.

Madi a mantsi a tshwerwe ke dilo tse di ka bong di ne di sa diragala.

Mr Chairperson, ofisi ya ga Tautona e tona mo lefatsheng.
Fa e le gore ga e a tshegetsega sentle, lefatshe le tsena mo mathateng.

Gompieno o a bona gore go diragala eng kwa Russia.

Ditshwetso tsa moeteledipele, Tautona, di nyeletsa lefatshe.

Mo nakong e re buang re le mo go yone, ga re itse gore re le Botswana, a re safe kana ga re safe fa go simololwa go buiwa ka nuclear weapons tse di yang go dirisiwa kwa mafatsheng.

E le ditshwetso tse di tsewang ke boeteledipele jwa ofisi ya ga Tautona.
Ke tsene mo kgannyeng ya gore ofisi e e batlelwang madi e ya ga Tautona, mo nakong ya gompieno is polarising this nation.

I do not think gore re tshwanelwa ke go tswelele ka to support budget ya ofisi e e phatlalatsang lefatshe, e e tlisitseng tlhoka kutlwisisanyo, e e kgaoganyang batho mo lefatsheng le.

Office e e leng gore mo nakong ya gompieno, o ipotsa gore tota re ka re ke ya batho ba seemo se se ntseng jang?
Gompieno jaana Batswana ba mo seemong se e leng gore ga go utlwanwe, Matona a Puso a ofisi e fa ba re ba a bua, ba bua o kare ba kwa seterateng.

O ipotsa gore gatwe ofisi ya ga Tautona ya re e isa kae madi a a kanakana mme e na le batho ba mofuta o o ntseng jaana.

Kgantele re ne re ntse re reeditse Mothusa Tautona, o bo o ipotsa gore are we entrusting the budget e e kanakana le Mothuta Tautona ene yo?

Are we entrusting budget e e kanakana le Rre Kabo Morwaeng?
Bagaetsho, re tshwanelwa ke go ema ka dinao ka re a ipona gore re lefatshe le le mo mathateng ka boeteledipele jwa ofisi ya ga Tautona.

Tota go simolola fela ka Tautona, ofisi ele yotlhe e na le mathata.

E tshwanelwa ke go ema ka dinao go phutha lefatshe le, go phutha Batswana, e tsenya kagiso mo lefatsheng le.

Ga re eletse go ipona re le mafatshe a mangwe a go lowang, go kopakopane kwa go one.

Re kgona go bona gore budget e … MR MAJAGA: On a point of clarification.

Ke a leboga Modulasetilo.


Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Mopalamente.

O bua ka ofisi ya ga Tautona e tona, Minister, Mothusa Tautona le Tautona o kare o a ba nyatsa mme ba tlhophilwe ke Batswana le lefatshe.

Ka o Mopalamente yo mogologolo o itse tsamaiso, a o bona o ka bo o beile seo mo Batswaneng Honourable Mmolotsi?
31 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 -PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATIONCOMMITTEE OF SUPPLY MR MMOLOTSI: Well, fa re tlhalosa gore ofisi ya ga Tautona e kgaogantse lefatshe ke go ba nyatsa, ntetlelela gore ke ba nyatse.

Ke nyatsa go kgaoganya lefatshe mo ke go bonang go diragala mo lefatsheng le.
Gape ke nyatsa le yone tsamaiso e e leng gore ofisi ya ga Tautona, e e tshwanetseng e bo e eteletse pele mo go supeng sekai, ke yone e e leng gore mo nakong ya gompieno fa gotwe se, ba re ke administration e e fetileng, fa gotwe se, ba re ke administration e e fetileng.

Re tswa kgakala re dumela, e bile re itse ka collective responsibility.

Re tswa kgakala re itse gore party e, jaaka e tswa kgakala e busa e le nosi, ga e ka ke ya re yo mongwe a tswa, a bo a itatolwa jaaka re bona go dirwa gompieno.
Rona re le Batswana gatwe re lebe kae?

Re a itse gore batho ba ne ba le teng mo Pusong maloba, gompieno jaanong ba iphetotse ba re ga e sa tlhola e le bone, bone ba ofisi ya ga Tautona.

Golo mo Honourable Majaga fa e le gore o bona go siame, rona re bona go sa siama.

Fa e le gore mo go wena golo mo o bona e le lenyatso, ga ke bone e le lenyatso.

Ke bona e le selo se re tshwanelwang ke go se ela tlhoko ka gore re le Batswana, re tsene mo mathateng ka lebaka la ofisi ya ga Tautona.
Jaaka ke e fa sekai; maRussia ba tsene mo mathateng gompieno ka lebaka la Tautona wa bone yo o nang le dikeletso tse a nang le tsone.

Le bone kwa Russia gompieno ba eme ka dinao ba re, ditshwetso tse di tsewang ke monna yo, rona ga re mo go tsone.

Jaanong ke sone se Batswana ba leng mo go sone gompieno gore ditshwetso tsa ofisi ya ga Tautona le bone ga ba mo go tsone.
Ke lebile ditshwetso di tshwana le Constitutional Review e Tautona a neng a na le tshono ya gore o ka bo a dirisitse tsamaiso e sele, e e leng gore stakeholders di a rerisiwa.

Fa e le gore Honourable Majaga o bona go go siametse gore Constitutional Review Commission e dirwe koo o ise o tewe sepe, ke farologana le wena.

Ke dumela gore Palamente ke yone e dirang molao.


Palamente ke baeteledipele ba setšhaba ba ba tshwanelwang ke go neelwa morero o o tseneletseng wa gore re ya go lebelela tsamaiso ya Molaomotheo.

Re ya go baakanya Molaomotheo mmogo rotlhe.

Jaanong e, o bona fela gore e na le mathata.

Fa commission e le kwa Molepolole, e bo e le gore Minister mo ofising ya ga Tautona ke ene yo o etelelang batho, a ba bolelela gore go buiwe jang, o bona gore ofisi ya ga Tautona e na le mathata, e tlhoka go phekolwa.
Fa e ne e le gore re ka leba dilo sentle fela, re ne re ka kopa le ba Sione gore ba e direle kosha ka gore e na le mathata a matonatona a a tlhokang gore Mr Chairperson, re a ele tlhoko.

Office e, is very wasteful.

Ke sone se e leng gore ke eletsa gore moving forward Mr Chairperson, re leke go bona gore ofisi ya Directorate of Intelligence and Security (DIS) e e kwa tlase ga ya ga Tautona, e ntshiwe koo.

Re tseye DIS re e ise kwa go Honourable Mmusi ka gore ke gone kwa lephateng le le welang teng.
In fact, lephata le, le ne le le gone kwa Defence ka Palamente ya Bolesome, le bo le ya go tswa fela re sa itse gore le ntshiwa ke eng.

Le tshwanelwa ke gore le boele kwa Defence, DIS e ye go laolwa koo.

Fa go na le mathata, it will be appealed at the Office of the President (OP) mme mo nakong ya gompieno ga ke bone go re siamentse gore e bo OP e tshwere DIS mo go yone.
Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo Mr Chairperson, ke ne ke re tota to support budget ya OP go a mpalela ka gore tota ga ke kgone go bona se se dirwang.

Ke bona o kare Ofisi ya ga Tautona ke yone e eteletseng pele polarisation of this country le go re kgaoganya re le batho.

Batho ba teng dipuo tsa bone fa ba di bua mo Palamenteng o kare ga se baeteledipele, ba a itebala gore batho ba lebile mo go bone.
Fa re lebile mo go bone gore ke baeteledipele, ba thankgodisa dipuo fela o fitlhela o kare jaanong ga ba a re emela e le bagolwane ba rona.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A ba direlwe košha.

INFRASTRUCTURE AND MINISTER OF HOUSING DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLALE): Dumela Modulasetilo, dumelang Mapalamente a a tlotlegang.

Ke ne ke re ke eme… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Modisadikago.

MR MOLALE: Fa o paletswe ke go ruta o bo o tla mo Palamenteng go tla go kgakgafalela batho, o se ka wa leka mo go nna.
Ke re ke eme mokaulengwe wa me nokeng mo kopong ya madi a Lephata la Ofisi ya ga Tautona.

E re ke mo ema nokeng jalo, ke tlhagise dintlha di le pedi di le tharo fa nako e letla.

Ntlha ya ntlha, ke ne ke batla gore mokaulengwe o lebe kgang e ya Reset in the context ya growing the economy at the village level.

Ka gore at the village level, economy e godisiwa through facilitation e e dirwang ke extension workers; molemise, mokenti, Mmaboipelego, mooki, mogokgo, jalojalo.
Re lemoge gore fa batho ba ba tlhotsa e le team e e seng mmogo, kgolo ya itsholelo mo motseng ga e ka ke ya nna teng.

32 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 -PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATIONCOMMITTEE OF SUPPLY Go le gantsi fa batho ba batla go ya go rekisa dikgomo, mokento o tshwanetse go ba rebola ka Animal Information and Traceability System (BAITS).

Fa mokenti a seyo mo motseng go bo gotwe a ye go batla thuso kwa motseng o mongwe, ke ditshenyegelo.
Let us facilitate the growth of the village economy to fully staff the extension workers at the village level.

Fa gotwe dijo tse di tswang mo masimo di a rekisiwa kwa dikoleng go sena molemise e bile go sena tirisanyo mmogo fa gare ga molemise le mogokgo kwa sekoleng, the opportunity cost ya gore dilo tse balemi ba ka bong ba di rekisa kwa sekoleng e ya feta and ke tatlhegelo.
Selo se ke kopang gore o se dire mokaulengwe ke gore, selo sa ntlha a re lebe extension boundaries, tse dingwe re sale re nna le tsone ka 1966.

Population e godile, metse e ntsifetse.

A re lekeng go bona gore re baakanye extension boundaries, re se ka ra imetsa bodiredi tiro, ba kgone to focus on growing the economy at the village level.
Fa gongwe e bile in the same ministry o fitlhela e le gore extension boundary ya one officer from one department in the same ministry, ga e tshwane le ya yo mongwe in the very same ministry.

Re ka a fa dikai di le dintsi fela tse e leng gore re a di itse.

Selo se sengwe ke gore e rile fa re bua rationalisation mokaulengwe, ga bo gotwe go leke go tladiwe posts mme re se ka ra godisa public service mo go feteletseng.

Golo mo ga se ka ga diragadiwa sentle.


Se re neng re se bona e ne e le gore go tsewa posts tsa extension workers kwa dikgaolong di bo di gobokanngwa gotwe go fokodiwa palo ya bodirelapuso, go bo go dirwa post e le nngwe mo Gaborone.

That was not the way to do it.

Selo sa ntlha fela fa re provide facilities kwa dikgaolong kwa metseng, they should be manned so that there is beneficial use.
Jaanong re lemoga o kare extension work e setse jaanong e boelwa ka morago to the extent that the growth of the economy at the village level ga e tlhole e nna teng.

Selo seo re tshwanetse ra se leba ka leitlho le le tseneletseng.
Ntlha e ke e buang e ya gore rationalisation was not well implemented, kana fa re re a go se ka ga dirwa gore bodirelapuso bo gole, tota fela a bo nne mo selekanyong, go a bo go tewa kwa e leng gore fa motho fa gongwe a palelwa ke go dira se a tshwanetseng go se dira, boemong jwa gore a kgalemelwe a dira go okediwa palo ya ba ba dirang foo.

So, accountability through proper supervision methods e tshwanetse go dirwa.
I think Directorate of Public Service Management (DPSM) must come to the party ka gore golo fa o kare ba go lebetse.

There must be standards tse ba di bayang, tsone di teng.

I think ke fela gore there is no compliance with those standards.

Turnaround times, motho go tsaya dikgwedi di le six gore go duelwe motho mme standard se le teng gore turnaround time ke seven days.

Dilo tse re tshwanetse go di leba mokaulengwe, re tsenye productivity and efficiency gains mo public service.
Selo se sengwe Modulasetilo, kana fa re bua ka bodirelapuso, e bile re bua ka gore ke jone the memory of the Government, se re se bonang gompieno, and I am not saying it is wrong, go hirwa batho ba e leng gore they have not had a career in the public service ba tswa kwa private sector.

It is okay, but they are never taken through the rigors of the ethics and ethos tsa public service.
Mo e leng gore jaanong motho fa a sena go hirwa o tsamaya ka laptop e le gore e tsentse sengwe le sengwe mo teng go sena memory in the files mo ga Goromente.

This thing must be taken seriously.

That is why the public service was formed gore e leke go ruta dilo tse gore e re fa gotwe the public service is the memory of Government, e bo e le boammaaruri.

Jaanong gompieno o fitlhela e le gore information is disjointed, ga e mmogo, e kwa le kwa.
This should be managed ka gore information is power and knowledge.

Bangwe kgantele ba ne ba bua ka freedom of information.

Freedom of information is something else mme fela information e tshwanetse to be managed, and e e confidential should be managed ka tsela e e tlhokafalang ya go e tshwara sentle.

Jaanong fa gongwe fa go nna le ditsheko kgotsa go nna le eng, o fitlhela files di sena sepe.
Gongwe bone ba ba tshotseng memory sticks bao ke bone ba sekisang Goromente and Goromente ga a na information e ba ka bong ba ne ba e beela Goromente ka gore ba ne ba duelewa go dira tiro eo.

Let us be mindful of that.

Selo sa bofelo mokaulengwe ke gore bodirelapuso, ke ne ke eletsa gore re simolole to reintroduce productivity as a way of ensuring gore itsholelo ya rona e a gola.

We are seeing more and more often e le gore productivity gains ga di yo.
Policy pronouncements, fa batho ba kwa diofising ba re re utlwile gotwe go ntse jaana le jaana, gatwe ya go botsa ene yo o neng a bua mo radio yoo, rona ga re itse sepe, and yet there are documents tse di supang gore the policy direction e ntse jang, go tshwanetse ga dirwa jang, jalojalo.

So, there is a discord gone fa in as far as the public service being the vehicle through which policies and strategies are implemented.
The actual work on the ground, ga go thona gore o bone e re o utlwa report gongwe e ntshiwa gotwe re dirile jaana le jaana kwa bokete, when you go to the ground o re o ya go check, o fitlhela e le gore it is at variance with 33 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 -PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATIONCOMMITTEE OF SUPPLY what has been reported.
These things all revolve around proper management of the public service gore e kgone go tsosolosa itsholelo at the village, sub-district or district levels, gore batho ba kgone go nna le dithusego tse di tlhokafalang.

Ke eletsa gore ntlha e re e ele tlhoko, re bo re leke go e tsosolosa re e dire.

Ka gore fa re sa dire jalo there will be more and more of negative things, negative energies tse e leng gore jaanong mananeo ga a goroge kwa bathong.
A re tseyeng information, education and communication as a tool through which we can use tsamaiso tsone tse.

Ka ga re batle gore e re kamoso then blame bodirelapuso re re ke bone ba dirileng gore e nne e kete the popularity of some people ke bone ba dirileng gore go se ka ga nna le tsamaiso e e lolameng.

Let us take these things seriously.

A re di iseng kwa di tshwanetseng go ya teng.

Re kaetse bodirelapuso gore tiro e tshwarwe ka manontlhotlho ke fa go ntse jaana.
A re se ka ra ya le tse dingwe tse re di utlwang di buiwa, where everyone is blamed instead ya gore re bo re supa kaedi ya gore gore dilo di diragale bontle, di diragale ka tlhoafalo ke fa re dirile jaana.

Ka one mafoko a ke ne ke re tota mme gone ke go ema nokeng mokaulengwe.

A re lekeng go dira jalo.

MR CHAIRPERSON: You time is up Honourable Minister.

MR MOLALE: Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Minister.

Honourable Minister, Kgafela you name is on the list.
O santse o ntile?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga se Honourable Mmusi?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ee o teng.

O santse a nta.

Honourable Minister ke go tlole?

MINISTER OF TRADE, INVESTMENT AND INDUSTRY (MR KGAFELA): Ee rra.

Ke ne ke sa tlhomamise gore I am on the list.

Ke ne ke buile mo go e e sa tswang go tswa, jaanong ke sa tlhomamise gore a ke on the list ka se sebaka Modulasetilo.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ke tlaa go tlola Sedibelo.


MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR RAKGARE): Thank you very much Mr Chairperson.

Ke lebogele Tona ka presentation ya gagwe.

Ke supe fa gore ke ema Tona nokeng ka kopo ya gagwe.

Ke supe fa gore kana fa re bua ka presidency re bua ka Ofisi ya ga Tautona, e e nang le bodiredi, e e nang le boeteledipele.
Go botlhokwa thata gore motho fela a simolole fela ka go lebelela jone boeteledipele jwa ga Tautona… MR CHAIRPERSON: Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona.

MR RAKGARE: His Excellency the President Mr Chairperson.

Re simolole fela ka go supa gore, bangwe ba rona re dumela gore tiro e a bonala, motlhala o a bonala mo go se se diragalang, gore e bo e le gore His Excellency the President o eteletse lefatshe pele, mme tiro e a e dirang e le gore bangwe ba rona re a e bona.

O ka tswa a nyadiwa ke ba ba mo nyatsang.


O ka tswa a buiwa dipuo ka fa ba bangwe ba mmuang dipuo ka teng, fela jaaka o itse Mr Chairperson gore o bitswa maina a mantsi.

I do not think gore go na le Tautona yo o kileng a nyadiwa jaaka Tautona yo re nang le ene mo setilong.

E bile gongwe a nyadiwa ke ba re ganetsanang le bone.

Ke tlhalefile Mr Chairperson ke reetsa dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke simolola go sala morago dipolotiki Tautona wa lefatshe la Botswana e le the late Rra Gaone, Quiet Masire.
Ga tla fela jalo ga tsena mo go Dr Festus Gontebanye Mogae, gata jalo ga tsena mo go Lieutenant General Seretsa Khama Ian Khama, ga ke ise ke ko ke tsamaye ke bone Tautona yo o sotlwang jaaka yo re nang le ene mo nakong ya gompieno.

Mme go le gontsi mo bangwe ba rona re go bonang mo a go dirang.
A re lebelele maabane fela jaana gore His Excellency the President e re a bona ka fa re tlhasetsweng ke segajaja sa COVID ka teng, segajaja se se neng se supa a serious threat ya go nyeletsa tšhaba ya lefatshe la Botswana, jaaka re ne re bona e le gore kwa mafatsheng a mangwe segajaja se se ne se sa laolesege, go pala.

Bangwe ba retelelwa e le baeteledipele go laola segajaja se, a bo a fetola ka fa a neng a na le maikaelelo ka teng gore o ya go tsamaisa lefatshe ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
A dira kopo mo go ba a tsamaisang le bone gore, ke kopa ke tseye madi a setšhaba mme jaanong re a tshele mo go lwantsheng segajaja sa COVID.

Ga re na go dira fela jaana re ya go tla ka plan, this plan re tlile go e bitsa Reset Agenda.
Reset Agenda e kwa godimo ga yone, maitlamo a matlhano ao, priorities tse tlhano tseo kwa godimo ga yone e ne e le kgang e ya go lwantsha segajaja sa COVID-19, gore ditlamelo di nne teng tsa ba botsogo, go rekwe tsotlhe tse di ka tlhokafalang gore mme gone bolwetse jo re kgone go bo laola, mo godimo ga gore jaanong go tlisiwe melemo mo lefatsheng la 34 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 -PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATIONCOMMITTEE OF SUPPLY Botswana.
O ne a nyadiwa e le gore o a nyefolwa, o a rogwa, go buiwa dipuo tse di ganang go fela gore, “monna yo o rile!

o rile!” jalo le jalo.

Ke raya fa e le gore motho o ka tswa a sa mo rate, go mo fa tlotla ya gore mme gone o tshegeditse setilo sa bo Tautona jwa lefatshe la Botswana.

Se e leng gore Batswana fa e le gore e kare kamoso ba nna le kakanyo ya gore ba ka fetola Puso, mongwe wa ba bangwe ba re nang le bone mo lefatsheng la Botswana o tlile go tsaya setilo seo, re batla gore re tswelele re mo tlotla.
Re tlotla maemo a, re tlotla setilo se, re tlotla yo o tlaabong a tshegeditse maemo a.

Despite all these efforts, o tsweletse ka gore a tswelele a nyefolwe, a bidiwe maina.

Jaaka o ne o utlwa fela mo Palamenteng Mr Chairperson e le gore o bitswa maina fela a e seng one ka Labotlhano.

Ke gore le dingwaga motho a santse a le monnyennye!

e bo e le gore jaanong ke gore go buiwa fela ka gore o kare mo lefatsheng la Botswana tlotlo ga e sa tlhole e le teng, botho ga bo sa tlhole bo le teng, go nyatswana fela.
Re lekalekana fela rotlhe.

Fa re le mo Palamenteng e le gore rotlhe re bitswa bo honourable, jaanong go raya gone gore re lekalekana fela.

I have said this mo nakong e e fetileng gore, ke ka farologana le Dr Kesitegile Gobotswang, mme I still regard him as my parent.

That is why Mr Chairperson o ka seke o utlwe le fa e le ka letsatsi lepe ke tsholetsa lefoko la tlhapa kana lepe fela le le bogale ke le lebaganya le Dr Kesitegile Gobotswang, ka gore ke tlotla Palamenteng e, ke tlotla Setswana sa rona.
E bile ke tlile go tswelela ke se tsholeletsa kwa godimo.

Re tshwanetse gore re tswelele re leka gore re babalele se re se agileng re le lefatshe la Botswana.

Ga se moo fela Mr Chairperson, go ntse go buiwa fa ka bo go rekwa ga bo Tautona Lodge.

Ke tshwanelo, go tshwanetse go nne jalo.

Tautona yo o lerato, yo o ratang batho, fa batho ba Ghanzi ba lela gore lefatshe le fedile, ga go sa tlhole go na le lefatshe.
Ga go na kwa ba yang teng, ditlhabololo ga di yo kwa Ghanzi, le Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa bone Johane Thiite a lela a lelala mo boeteledipeleng gore, kana ga go na eng, ga go na eng mo toropong ya rona kana mo motseng wa rona wa Ghanzi, fa go kgonagala, mme e bile fa go na le lefatshe le le available, e bile e le gore gone moo… HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)… MR RAKGARE: Nkgalemelele yo Mr Chairperson.

Hei!
Hei!

tota o itse gore re mo mathateng a a seng kana ka sepe, tota go tlhokana le gore sengwe se diragale mo Palamenteng gongwe dilo tse di ka ema.
Jaanong Mr Chairperson, ke re ke supe gone fa gore, kana fa o bona e le gore selelo sa Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Ghanzi North, gammogo le ba a dirang le bone e le Makhanselara, le beng ba motse, banni ba motse one oo ba supa gore ga re nang, ga re nang, ga go na kwa toropo kana kwa motse wa rona o golelang teng…fa o lebelela Ghanzi o dikaganyeditswe ke dipolase tsa batho basweu, tota bontsi e le bone bao, bangwe e le Batswana, mme bangwe e le gore ga se Batswana.
E bile gape re bona batswakwa ba supa interest mo go Tautona Lodge e go buiwang ka yone.

Batho ba le bantsi ba tswa kwa ntle, especially kwa lefatsheng la Africa Borwa, ba supa interest ba batla go reka lefatshe le le mo Botswana.

Sengwe sa dilo tse e leng gore re le bana ba lefatshe le ga re batle go bona di ntse di tswelela batswakwa ba tswa kwa ba tswang teng ba tla go reka lefatshe mo lefatsheng la rona, ka gore re lebile bana ba rona, dikokomane le bana ba ba tlileng go golela mo lefatsheng leo.
Jaanong batho ba Ghanzi gatwe bone ba tswelele fela e le gore ga ba na eng, ga ba na eng, fa go bua bangwe ba e leng gore ba teng gone mo Palamenteng.

Tautona ka office ya gagwe ba dirile sentle gore ba bo ba kgone gore ba tshware lodge e. Kana bona Mr Chairperson fa e le gore kamoso go padile, gongwe se se neng se akantswe gore se ka dirwa ka lefatshe lone le, le ka rekisiwa.
E bile gape go rekisiwa ga lone ga gona jaaka le ka rekisiwa ka madi a a kwa tlase ga a le rekilweng ka one ka gore go motlhofo fela jalo.

Jaanong re ipotsa gore tota fa nako le nako go buiwa dikgang tse di ntseng jaana, gatwe ke tsa kwa kae.

A ko o bone gore Motlotlegi Tautona o tsisitse seriti sa boela mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
Re sale re se bona labofelo Mr Chairperson, ka nako ya ga Dr Festus Gontebanye Mogae, e le gore mafatshe a ne a tseela lefatshe la Botswana kwa godimo, a tlotla le yone Ofisi ya ga Tautona, ba itse gore Tautona Dr Festus Gontebanye Mogae o dumela gore Botswana is part of the global village.

Botswana le ene is part of ditsamaiso tsa mafatshefatshe, o tshwanetse a bonale gore le ene o tsaya karolo e bile o a kgathala ka tse di diragalang mo mafatsheng a mangwe.
Jaanong bona gore gompieno His Excellency the President Dr Mokgweetsi Eric Keabetswe Masisi o busitse sone serodumo se, seriti seo, mafatshe a simolotse go re tsaya tsia.

Ke sone se o bonang e le gore bangwe ba babeeletsi, networks, ba re re ya go beeletsa kwa lefatsheng la Botswana, re ya go aga dikago tsa manobonobo, re ya go dira biological manufacturing technology for melemo yone ya COVID-19, gammogo le yone ya cancer.
A dilo tse ke tse e leng gore re ne re ka di bona fa e ne e le gore re santse re na le yone kakanyo ele ya gore Tautona o tshwanetse a nne fela mo 35 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 -PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATIONCOMMITTEE OF SUPPLY lefatsheng la Botswana a se ka a ba a ya gope ka gore jaanong tse dingwe tse di diragalang tse ga se tse di nang le mosola?
Dikgang tse Motlotlegi Tona re go eme nokeng ka gone gore re tshwanetse re tswelele, e bile re bone gore re thusa Tautona ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Hei!

fa o tsamaya mo mafatsheng, boTautona ba mafatshe a Africa ba buganya madi mo dilong tse di sa tlhokafaleng mme ga re bone go diragala jalo mo lefatsheng la rona.
Tautona Masisi o santse a babaletse gone moo gore o tshwanetse a somarele ledinyana le re nang lone re le lefatshe la Botswana, mme a tseye madi a a teng a a ise kwa go tse di tlhokafalang gore lefatshe la Botswana le tswelele, Batswana ba ntse ba bona ditlhabololo.

Ka mafoko a a ntseng jalo Motlotlegi Tona, re go eme nokeng thata e bile re kanotse dihuba.

Ka mafoko a a ntseng Mr Chairperson, ke a leboga.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Minister Rakgare.
Honourable Member for Selebi Phikwe West, Honourable Dithapelo Lefoko Keorapetse.

MR KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE WEST): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.
Mr Chairperson, mafoko a a buiwang ke Honourable Rakgare a gore go lebega e le gore Tautona o a nyadiwa, ofisi ya gagwe e a nyadiwa, ke tsone dilo tse di neng di buiwa ke Honourable Mmolotsi gore fa Tautona a supetsa setšhaba gore ga a sireletsega e bile a bo a reka le dikoloi tsa armored cars, a bo a di tlogela a ikgweetsa ka koloi ya Hilux, golo moo go ka nyatsisa Ofisi ya ga Tautona setšhaba, ba ipotsa gore a ba ne ba bolelelwa boammaaruri ka gore Tautona ga a sireletsega.
Fa e le gore go ka rekiwa vaccines late, batho ba bo ba tlhokafala mme e re ka nako eo go bo go tsewa tshwetsho ya gore go ya go rekiwa ntlo e e neng e le ya Goromente wa Sweden ka madi a a seng kwa tlase ga P10 million le go rekiwa ga lodge ya P58 million.

O utlwa dipuo tsa teng, go a ne gotwe e reketswe gore e ya go dira agricultural research, gompieno gatwe motse wa Ghanzi o tlaabo o golela gone koo.
Ke tsone dilo tse di tlaa dirang gore Batswana ba nyatse Ofisi ya ga Tautona, ba ipotse gore e tlaa simolola go bua boammaaruri leng.

Respect is earned Mr Chairperson, ga go ka ke ga romiwa bo Honourable Rakgare gore ba tle go e batla mo Palamenteng.

Dilo tse di ntlhobaetsang Modulasetilo, ke gore Office of the President (OP) ga e a tlhoafalela go godisa puso ya batho ka batho.

Democracy will not consolidate under President Masisi.
Institutions tse di ka bong di tlhokometse puso ya batho ka batho ga di ka ke tsa nonofa ka fa tlase ga ofisi ya ga Tautona 36 Masisi.

Tautona Masisi mo Ofising ya ga Tautona, o tshwanetse gore a tseye kgang e ya accountability very seriously.

Ke gore good governance ka kakaretso, go bua ka participation ya gore Batswana ba nne le seabe, a bua ka go direla dilo ka fa molaong, go direla dilo mo pontsheng le go arabela se o se dirileng o le Puso, ke gore mo gotweng ke accountability.
Effectiveness and efficiency ke dilo tse re di solofelang mo Ofising ya ga Tautona.

Iain McLean le Alistair McMillan fa ba kwala mo Oxford Dictionary of Politics, ba tlhalosa kgang e ya accountability gore e akaretsa dilo tse di latelang; nngwe ya dilo tse e leng gore are the basic aspects tsa accountability.

Ke gore Goromente o tshwanetse gore a emele dikeletso tsa batho ba a ba tsamaisang.
Se sengwe ke gone gore Goromente o tshwanetse gore a arabele dithata tse a di dirisitseng le ditshwetso tse a di tsereng, a di arabele kwa setšhabeng.

Se sengwe ke gone gore Goromente o tshwanetse gore a amogele responsibility fa e le gore o feitse mo sengweng, o supile gore ga a na bokgoni mo sengweng.

Fa e le gore o buile selo se e leng gore ga sena boammaaruri jaaka re bone fa President wa lefatshe la America Barack Obama a bua gore I screwed on Libya big time.
Ga re ise re utlwe Tautona Masisi a bua gore re rekile mekento late, ke solofeditse banni ba Okavango gore go tlaa nna le loan e e tlaa tlang e le direla tsela e e yang go tsena kwa Mohembo.

Ga re ise re utlwe Tautona a bua gore bagaetsho, ke ne ke bua gone fa gore fa o fiwa setsha, e bile o tlaabo o fiwa le internet.

Ga re ise re utlwe e le gore Tautona dilo tse o a bua gore nnyaa mme bagaetsho le nkinele diatla metsing, ke ne ke sa bue boammaaruri.
Ga go molato fa o eteletse Puso gore you must take failure, responsibility, accept incompetence and deceit fa o le Goromente.

Tsone dilo tse fa re sa di bone mo Ofising ya ga Tautona, re tlaa tswelela re ntse re e nyatsa e bile re e tlhobosa le mo Batswaneng gore gore ga e na bokgoni gotlhelele.
Ga re itse, gongwe go dirwa ke gore kana ofisi e, tota le ene Tautona in all fairness, he is fairly inexperienced fa go tla mo mererong ya go tsamaisa Goromente ka gore kana o ne a na le less than 10 years a ntse a le mo Palamenteng kana a le mo Pusong fa a tlaa tla a nna Tautona.

Jaanong motho o ne a solofetse gore gongwe o ka inonotsha ka bo Honourable Molale.

Kana Honourable Molale is a walking encyclopedia ya Goromente wa Botswana.
Fa e ne e le kwa mafatsheng, e ne e tlaa re fela a tlogela tiro, a bo a tsewa e nna Professor wa governance mo sekoleng.

Universities like Wits, I am sure fa a tlogela tiro ka bogodi they will call him and say can you come and assist us mo school of governance.
responsibility for Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 -PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATIONCOMMITTEE OF SUPPLY Motho o ne a solofetse gore batho ba ba tshwanang le bo Honourable Molale ke bone ba ba ka bong ba le kwa OP, e seng lobbyists tse di tshwanang le bo Honourable Morwaeng le Honourable Mthimkhulu.

E le gore jaanong go bo go boa go tsewa le staff se sengwe sa batho ba e leng gore ga ba na experience mo go Goromente, ba ya go tshelwa kwa OP.
Ke sone se o bonang go na le mathata a a ntseng jaana mo Ofising ya ga Tautona.
OP is a bloated structure Mr Chairperson, ke raya gore fa o re o lebelela maphata a a ka fa tlase ga Ofisi ya ga Tautona, Directorate of Public Service Management (DPSM), National Aids and Health Promotion Agency (NAHPA), diofisi tsa bo Tautona ba babedi Rre Khama le Rre Mogae, Department of Information, Department of Broadcasting, Government Printing and Publishing, National Strategy, Directorate on Corruption and Economic Crime (DCEC), bo Directorate of Intelligence and Security (DIS), Counter Terrorism, rona re ne re dumela re le ba Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC) gore a lephata le tshwana le la NAHPA le ye kwa Health.
Re setse re na le boitemogelo ka tsamaiso ya bolwetse jwa HIV/AIDS le malwetse a a sa tshelanweng.

Ke dikgang tse di tshwanetseng gore di bo di le kwa botsogong.

Fa o tsaya DCEC, DIS, Counter Terrorism, ke maphata a a tshwanetseng gore a ye ka fa tlase ga ministry wa ga Rre Mmusi wa Defence, Justice and Security.

Fa o tsaya maphata a tshwana le bo Department of Information Services Broadcasting, Government Printing, ke maphata fela a tshwanetseng gore a ye straight kwa Ministry of Communication.
Jaanong o ka bona gore power is centralised in the President, President yo o batlang dithata tsotlhe, yo o batlang gore go utlwale e bile go bonale gore ke ene Tautona jaanong o kgobokantse maphata a otlhe.

Re utlwa e le gore gatwe go tlaa nna le restructuring yone ya ga Goromente mme ke ne ke dumela gore fa go ne go tlhoafetswe, go ne go tshwanetse gore maphata one a a boele kwa a tshwanetseng gore a nne teng.
Le tlhokomele gone kwa Ofising ya ga Tautona, kgang e e buiwang ke Honourable Mmolotsi a re Ofisi ya ga Tautona e kgaogantse setšhaba o bolelela ruri.

Ke gore kana gompieno fela fa o batla go tlhobosa motho e bile o ka dira gore a senyegelwe ke tiro mo Goromenteng o, bua fela gore motho yo o amana le Ian Khama kana le diphathi tsa kganetso.
Gone moo is enough, ke gore we are living in an era Mr Chairperson, e o kareng ke ya cold war ka nako ya that infamous Senator Joe McCarthy, yo o neng a tsweletse ka McCarthyism a bua gore rats are under the bed.

A tsenya ketsaetsego, a bua gore go na le infiltration ya makomanisi mo Goromenteng wa America, a akela batho ba bantsintsi, batho ba senyegelwa ke careers le matshelo.

Ke se re se bonang mo Goromenteng wa Botswana gompieno.
Re kopane le batho ba le bantsi ba ba lelang ka gore ba senyegetswe ke ditiro e le fela ka gore gatwe nnyaa motho yo ke wa ga Khama.

Fa gongwe motho o a hirwa, o utlwa gotwe o gannwe kwa OP.

Ke gore ke mathata fela a a gakgamatsang.

Gatwe fa gongwe o utlwa le ene Tautona a bua gore nnyaa I will give you a name, after a rigorous process e e leng gore it costs money, e ne e tsentse bomaitseanape mo teng.
O bo o ipotsa gore e le gore Tautona ene leina o le tsaya kwa kae, o ne a utlwa mang a mo raya a re yo o ka siama, yo o ka se ke a siame, mme go nnile le a laid down process.

Jaanong Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, re na le maphata a a tshwanang le bo Ombudsman, Auditor General (AG) le Directorate on Corruption and Economic Crime (DCEC), Palamente, Judiciary le Independent Electoral Commission (IEC), a a a lomololwe mo diphukeng kana dinala tse di a kokometseng tsa Ofisi ya ga Tautona.
Re bone maphata a a tlholwa ke Molaomotheo, a e leng gore ga a tlholwe ke Molaomotheo.

A ba ba eteletseng maphata a, be appointed ka tsela e e tlaa tsholetsang serodumo sa maphata a, e tlaa supa gore maphata a a ikemetse, ga a emela dikeletso tsa ga Tautona.
Bona fela gore IEC – dingwe tse di neng di dirwa ka fa tlase ga Puso yone e, o fitlhela e le gore batho ba go tlhalositsweng gore ba tlhomiwa jang mo Molaomotheong, go bo go fapogiwa yone tsamaiso eo, batho ba teng ba bo ba tlhomiwa ka dikonteraka tse e bileng go tlhalosiwa mo dikonterakeng tsa teng gore o ka nna wa nna transferred e bile o ka nna wa kobiwa, mme Molaomotheo o tlhalosa gore wena fa o tsene mo ofising, you retire o le 60 yo mongwe retires a le 65.
Ba bo ba kwalelwa dikonteraka ke OP ya ga Tautona Masisi, go kwalwa gore nnyaa, re go file kontaraka, mme we may terminate it, mme e bile re ka nna ra go fa transfer.

Ke tsone dilo tse di dirang gore re nyatse Ofisi ya ga Tautona re itse gore ga e a emela dikeletso tsa gore Puso ya batho ka batho e gole mo lefatsheng la Botswana, re bone makalana a a tlhodumelang gore dilo di tsamaisiwa sentle, a ikemetse ka nosi.

Corruption e godile.


Afro Barometer ke e e a supa gore Batswana, more than 70 per cent, e bile ba tshoga gore fa ba ka e report, go ka nna le ditlamorago tse di sa siamang, 50 per cent ba supa gore corruption e godile, le kwa Ofising ya ga Tautona.

Go bua Batswana who 37 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 -PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATIONCOMMITTEE OF SUPPLY were surveyed ke Afro Barometer.
Ga go bue Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC), Dithapelo Keorapetse kana Dumelang Saleshando.

You declined Motion wa Commission of Enquiry.

Commissions di nna di nna teng go ntse go na le maphata a a tshwanang bo DCEC.

Dirang gore DCEC e nne independent.

Tlayang ka Anti-Corruption Policy e e leng gore re ka bona gore corruption re e lwantsha ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Skilled personnel kwa DCEC, a se lebalebiwe.


Independence ya DCEC; go setse go nnile le bo Director Generals ba DCEC ba le bararo under President Masisi ka gore DCEC ga e a ikemela ka nosi.

Under President Masisi, re kile ra bona Zilberman le Wasetso being transferred ba le fa gare ga go tlhotlhomisa cases tsa corruption.

Maloba jaana go ne gotwe go fudusiwa ba bangwe ba lebagane le go tlhotlhomisa dikgang tsa corruption.
Meddling yone e ya DIS e itshunya nko mo mererong ya DCEC, ke sone se se dirang gore re nyatse le go feta Ofisi ya ga Tautona ka fa tlase ga ga Tautona Masisi.

E bile re akanyetse gore he is a very corrupt President... MR CHAIRPERSON: Your time is up Honourable for Selebi-Phikwe West.

Keorapetse, Member Honourable Member for Gaborone Central.

GOVERNMENT WHIP (MR KABLAY): Gaborone Central Sir, o tshwaregile.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Chief Whip.

Ke a tswelela mongwame.

O mphile batho ga ke tshwenyege.


Honourable Member for Kgalagadi South, Sam Justice Brooks.

MR KABLAY: Le ene o mo tseleng, a re o tswa kgaolong.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ga ke tshwenyege, o mphile batho.

Your Honour the Vice President, the Honourable Leader of the House.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Backbench… HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Yo mongwe ke yoo o batla go tsena, mme ga ke itse gore ke mang.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ke tlaa mo kgalema.


MR TSOGWANE: Mr Speaker, ke ne ke sena maikaelelo a go bua, mme ke bona go tshwanela gore ke bue gore dilo tse dingwe re nne re di tlhalosetsa Batswana, ka gore kana tota rona re batla go tlhalosetsa Batswana.

Fa e le bagarona ba bone, re a itse gore ba mo polotiking, ga se ba re tshwanetseng gore re itiele nako ya go direla Batswana ka dikgang tsa bone.
Tseo di tlaa nna di atlholwa ke ba ba ba tlhophileng, jaanong rona re tswelele ka mosepele o re o neetsweng go direla sethaba se.

Tlaa ke bue ka Ofisi ya ga Tautona, e botlhokwa, e dira ditiro tse dikgolo.

Ofisi ya ga Tautona ka fa tlase ga ga Tautona yo o leng teng, ke yone e e rileng fa e tsena fela fa, e bo e lemoga gore Batswana ba tlhokana le gore sepe se se ba amang, se nne le mo gotweng morero.
E fitlhetse go na le dikgang dingwe tsa ditshwetso tse di neng di babalela Batswana, tse di neng di tserwe ntleng ga morero, tse bangwe ba ba buang fa jaana, ba ne ba ise ba ntshe lentswe ka tsone ka nako eo.

Jaanong ka gore go tlile kgololesego, mongwe le mongwe o gololesegile go bua, ga go na le fa e le bothata.

Ba gololesegile go bua, mme ga se bogologolo jole kana maloba fa motho a ne a shebasheba ka fa le ka fa fa a tshwanetse go bua.
Ofisi ya ga Tautona e ntshitse morero, mme ke one o e leng gore gompieno re tsamaisa lefatshe ka one.

Batho ba ba tshwanang le ba ba nnang kwa Makgobokgobong, ba a itse fela gore morero o o ntshitsweng o, o ne wa sologela batho ba Maun, Ngami, le Okavango ka tsela e e ntseng jang fa go tla mo kgannyeng ya go iletsa letsomo le le neng le tshetsa batho le malwapa a bone ka lone.

Batswana ba itse se Tautona Masisi a se diretseng lefatshe le.
Gompieno lefatshe le le ngoka batho go tswa ka kwa ntle, ba a itse gore fa gotwe Botswana go buiwa ka lefatshe lefe.

Go ne go sa itire, go dira Tautona ka go tsamaya maeto a gagwe a ya kwa mafatsheng go buelela lefatshe le, fa ba bangwe bone ba inaakantse le ba bangwe ba e leng gore fa ba tswa fa ke go ya go senya lefatshe le ka kwa ntle.

Re a itse Mr Speaker, gore go a kwalelelanwa, go mo lekunutung la gore lefatshe le le ka senngwa jang ka kwa ntle ka dikgang tse di ntseng jaana.
Re ne re itse gore dilo tse di ne di dirwa ke bo Steve Cory bogologolo, ba ba neng ba batla go senya, ba bua ka dikgang tsa batho ba letso la Sesarwa mo Central Kgalagadi Game Reserve (CKGR).

E ne e le dikgang tse di neng di batla go senya, mme di simologile.

Re a itse gore bangwe ba teng gone mo Palamenteng, ba e leng gore dikgang tse di ntseng jalo, ba inaakantse le tsone.
Jaanong ke batla go supa fela gone gore Office of the President, dikgang tse di ntsi tsa go leka go bona gore ditiro tsa maphata di ka abiwa jang, maphata a mangwe ditiro tse dingwe 38 Hansard No 205Monday 28th February, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 -PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATIONCOMMITTEE OF SUPPLY gongwe di ka busetswa jang kwa bo Local Government jaaka go ne go ntse pele, e tshwaragane le dikgang tsone tse.
Rre Morwaeng o tshwaragane le dikgang tse ditona tsa rationalisation ya ditiro tsa ministries.

E tlaa re fa a weditse, ministries dingwe di tlile go boela di thusa fela jaaka di kile tsa bo di thusa pele.

Jaanong ke dilo dingwe tse e leng gore rona re reeditse Batswana fela gore ba reng, re ba thuse jang, re bereke le bone jang, Puso e ya bone re e tlhabolole ka tsela jang.

Batho ba benefited more than anybody else mo Pusong ya ga Rre Khama, they supported him.
It is unprocedural for them to lie the whole day gore go sentse Puso ya ga Rre Khama, ba ne ba ntse ba senya ba na le ene.

MR CHAIRPERSON: You are out of order Honourable Moswaane.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le gore a re ba tlhole gompieno gore a kamoso ga ba na go itatola.

Rraetsho, corruption ga go na jaaka e ka tlhokang go utlwala kwa godimo mo nakong ya gompieno, ka gore corruption ya gompieno e a lwantshiwa; it is being exposed.

Ga e a simologa maabane.


Le bone ba ba buang ba ga ba ka ke ba go bolelela gore naare cases tse dingwe tse di ntsintsi tsa corruption, tse di ntsi tse gotweng di bolela golo gongwe kwa bo DCEC, ba bangwe ba tswa gone koo; ba ne ba bereka gone koo.

Ke bone ba ba ka itseng botoka; bo rre Keorapetse.

Ba ne ba boletse gore ba fitlhetse dockets tse di kae gone kwa.

Jaanong o bo o ipotsa gore a mme corruption e e simolotse maabane fa e kare go raya gore e kelemile jaana.
E kelemisiwa jaana ka gore rona re direla dilo mo pontsheng; ga re fitlhe sepe.

Re batla gore e tswele kwa ntle gore Batswana ba tle ba e itse ba itse fela gore corruption e a lwantshiwa.

Ga o ka ke wa lwantsha selo o se fitlhile.

Jaanong ke sone se o bonang o kare fa go buiwa ka corruption, o kare ke selo se se simolotseng maabane.

Goromente yo wa ga Dr Masisi o ya go lwa le corruption ka sengwe le sengwe se a nang naso.
Ga re na go tlhola re mpampetsa re re nnyaa, yo ke wa maemo a gore… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure, Mr Speaker.

MR TSOGWANE: Bogologolo go ne go buiwa ka the big fish, fa go buiwa ka corruption.

Go ne gotwe the big fish... MR CHAIRPERSON:Sorry, your Honour.

I did not hear the point you want to stand on Honourable Member for Francistown West?

MR MOSWAANE: Ke ne ke rile procedure, Mr Speaker.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Procedure, please go ahead Honourable Moswaane.
MR MOSWAANE: Mr Speaker, ke ne ke bona o kare it is unprocedural gore re busiwa ke Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) for 55 years e ise e ko e jewe, e bo e nna e kete e ne e le absent from Parliament ka 11th Parliament, jaanong go nna e kete go ne go na le Puso e e busang ga se bone ba busang.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Order Honourable Member for Ghanzi South.
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR TSOGWANE: Rona ga re a itatola le fa e le sepe, bone ke bone ba ba lekang go maramara dikgang mo go rona, re ba bolelela gore kgang e re e tsereng e boeteledipele jo bosha bo eme ka dinao bo lwantsha corruption ka sengwe le sengwe.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Order!

Order Your Honour!

HONOURABLE MEMBER: BDP Government.

is a corrupt MR CHAIRPERSON: Order!

Order please.

Order Honourable Moswaane, order!

HONOURABLE MEMBER: President e senya, e a senya.


...Fa Office of the MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Moswaane please.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: I think...(Inaudible)… tomorrow you must park him.

MR CHAIRPERSON: I am certainly going to do that.

As it is now 6 o’clock, I shall now call upon the His Honour the Vice President, Leader of the House to move a Motion of adjournment.

MOTION ADJOURNMENT LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.
I do not want to expect too much from Rre Moswaane having known him for some time.

Jaanong...(Interruptions)…nako ya gompieno ke kope Ntlo e e tle e ye go ikhutsa.

Question put and agreed to.
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