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THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT WEDNESDAY 06 APRIL 2022 MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO: 205 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon.

Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP.

DEPUTY SPEAKER Hon.

P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP.

(Tonota) Clerk of the National Assembly Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly Acting Learned Parliamentary Counsel Assistant Clerk (E) His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP.

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP.


(Boteti West) CABINET - President - Vice President - Ms B. N. Dithapo - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe - Advocate L. O. Tlhowe - Mr R. Josiah Hon.

K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP.

(Molepolole South) - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

K. T. Mmusi, MP.

(Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon.

Dr L. Kwape, MP.

(Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon.

K. K. Autlwetse, MP.


(Specially Elected) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon.

K. S. Gare, MP.

(Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

P. K. Kereng, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism Hon.

Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP.

(Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon.

T.M.

Segokgo, MP.

(Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon.

K. Mzwinila, MP.
K. Mzwinila, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon.

T. M. Rakgare, MP.

(Mogoditshane) - Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development Hon.

A. M. Mokgethi, MP.

(Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon.

P. O. Serame, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon.

F. M. M. Molao, MP.

(Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Hon.

Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP.


(Tati East) Hon.

L. M. Moagi, MP.

(Ramotswa) - Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology - Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security Hon.

M. Kgafela, MP.

(Mochudi West) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

M. R. Shamukuni, MP.

(Chobe) - Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development Hon.

E. M. Molale, MP.

(Goodhope-Mabule) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development Hon.
D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP.

(Gaborone South) - Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

S. N. Modukanele, MP.

(Lerala -Maunatlala) Hon.

T. Monnakgotla, MP.

(Kgalagadi North) Hon.

M. M. Pule, MP.

(Mochudi East) Hon.

M. S. Molebatsi, MP.


(Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

S. Lelatisitswe, MP.

(Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness Hon.

N. W. T. Makwinja, MP.

(Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education Hon.

B. Manake, MP.
B. Manake, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

H. B. Billy, MP.

(Francistown East) Hon.

A. Lesaso, MP.

(Shoshong) - Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES Names Constituency Hon.

L. Kablay, MP.

(Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon.

Dr U. Dow, MP.

Hon.


P. Majaga, MP.

Hon.

M. Balopi, MP.

Hon.

J. S. Brooks, MP.

Hon.

C. Greeff, MP.

Hon.

T. Letsholo, MP.

Hon.

T. F. Leuwe, MP.

Hon.

T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP.

Hon.

Dr T. Matsheka, MP.

Hon.

S. N. Moabi, MP.

Hon.

P. K. Motaosane, MP.

Hon.

O. Regoeng, MP.

Hon.

J. L. Thiite, MP.


Specially Elected Nata-Gweta Gaborone North Kgalagadi South Gaborone Bonnington South Kanye North Takatokwane Gaborone Central Lobatse Tati West Thamaga-Kumakwane Molepolole North Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon.

D. Saleshando, MP.

(Leader of the Opposition) Hon.

M. G. J. Motsamai, MP.


(Opposition Whip) Maun West Ghanzi South Selebi Phikwe West Mahalapye East Sefhare-Ramokgonami Ngami Okavango Maun East Bobonong Selebi Phikwe East Palapye Nkange Mahalapye West Francistown West Hon.

D. L. Keorapetse, MP.

Hon.

Y. Boko, MP.

Hon.

Dr K. Gobotswang, MP.

Hon.

C. K. Hikuama, MP.

Hon.

K. K. Kapinga, MP Hon.

G. Kekgonegile, MP.

Hon.

T. B. Lucas, MP.

Hon.

K. Nkawana, MP.

Hon.

O. Ramogapi, MP.

Hon.

Dr N. Tshabang, MP.

Hon.

D. Tshere, MP.

Hon.


M. I. Moswaane, MP.

Hon.

T. S. Khama, MP.

Hon.

L. Lesedi, MP.

Hon.

B. Mathoothe, MP.

Hon.

M. Reatile, MP.

(Botswana Patriotic Front) Serowe West Serowe South Serowe North Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon.

W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.
Francistown South (Alliance for Progressives) TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT WEDNESDAY 6th APRIL, 2022 CONTENTS PAGE (S) QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...................................................................................................................1-8 MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Review of the Standing Orders and Composition of all Parliamentary Committees Motion (Resumed Debate)................................................................................................................................9-12 Adoption of the National Quality Policy for Botswana (NQP), 2021 Motion (Resumed Debate)..............................................................................................................................13-14 Adoption of the Public Accounts Committee Reports for the Financial Years 2018/2019 and 2017-2019 Performance Audit Reports........................................................15-27 Wednesday 6th April, 2022 THE ASSEMBLY met at 2:00 p.m. (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) P R A Y E R S * * * * QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER FENCES ALONG TARRED ROADS MR T. B. LUCAS (BOBONONG): asked the Minister of Transport and Communications to state his ministry’s policy with regard to putting up fences along tarred roads in the country and in particular to state: (i) if there are any reasons why the Bobonong- Sefophe, Bobonong-Tsetsebye and Bobonong- Lekkerport roads are not fenced to secure them from
 animals that regularly cause accidents on these roads; (ii) if there are any plans to secure these roads with fences in the short to medium term and to further state the priority list of securing the roads if there is any such; and (iii) if there are any plans to upgrade the Lebethu bridge from a single lane to two lanes in view of the dangers posed by a single lane bridge to motorists and other users of the same in respect to the Bobonong-Sefhophe road.
OF AND MINISTER COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Is this ya ga Lucas?

TRANSPORT MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Ee rra.

MR SEGOKGO: O tlaa intshwarela ke ne ke tsere potso e sele, mma ke arabe ya ga Lucas.
Mr Speaker, my ministry’s policy regarding the fencing of roads as cattle...(inaudible)…in the Botswana Road Design Manual or for (a ) and (b) grade roads is that all tarred roads connecting villages should be fenced except within built up areas or whether environmental concerns such as wildlife migration routes.

(i) Mr Speaker, the Bobonong-Lekkerport road was not fenced due to elephants movement in the area which will destroy the fence if it we were to be constructed.
Sefhophe-Bobonong and Bobonong- Tsetsejwe roads were constructed without fencing due to financial constraints at the time.

My ministry regards fencing of the above mentioned roads as very important.

(ii) Mr Speaker, owing to the fact that the Bobonong- Lekkerport road traverses a wildlife management area, my ministry has no plans to fence it.
Sefhophe-Bobonong road will be considered for fencing in the financial year 23/24 while Bobonong-Tsetsebjwe will be considered for fencing in the financial year 24/25 under the maintenance budget.

(iii) Mr Speaker, my ministry has no plans to upgrade the Lebethu Bridge from a single lane to a two lane as it was not included in the National Development Plan 11.
However, as a temporary measure to address the safety concerns of the bridge, my ministry is procuring safety signage to be installed at the relevant positions at the bridge, and we hope to do so by May 2022.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR LUCAS: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.


Ke re kana rraetsho o bua gore tsela e ya Bobonong- Sefhophe go e agelela ka fence go botlhokwa, mme kana tsela e e na le dingwaga di feta 25, a wa re bothata jwa yone go sa agelelwa ke gore, in the last 25 years we have never had a sufficient funds to fence tsela eo, a ke jone boammaaruri joo?
Sa bobedi ke gore, tsela e ya Bobonong-Sefhophe, go na le ditsholofetso tse di saleng jaaka di dirwa from since about 15 years ago, tse di neng di re e tlaa agelelwa, mme e ntse e sa agelelwa.

A mme tota gompieno re tseye mafoko a gago ka tlhoafalo fa o re e tlaa agelelwa ka 2023/24?

Sa bofelo ke gore, a mme o lemoga bodiphatsa jwa borogo jwa Lebethu?

Kana ditsela di tla di le pedi di bapile fa o tswa kwa Phikwe le fa o tswa Bobonong, mme at a certain point e nna lane ele nngwe fela.
Gone moo ka bogone kana ke seemo se se ka bakang dikotsi, se e bile se kileng sa baka dikotsi.

A mme ga o bone gore gongwe tsela e kana borogo jo le bo itlhaganelele, ka gore bo lebega bo ka nna diphatsa thata mo matshelong a batho.
Le fa gongwe bo ne bo sa tsenngwa mo National Development Plan 11, a mme ga o bone go le botlhokwa gore le tsenye borogo jo mo NDP 12, gore bo nne le lane tse pedi, go itsa gore go nne le dikotsi tse di ka bakiwang ke single lane fela e e tlang out of nowhere, e le gore ditsela di tla di le pedi di bapile.

Ke a leboga rraetsho.


1 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MR SEGOKGO: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ya ntlha tota go boammaaruri ka kgang e ya tsela e ya Sefhophe- Bobonong, karabo ya me e ne e le go supa gore tota ka nako ya e agiwa gone go ne ga se ka ga nna le madi a gore go wediwe fence.

Le nna ke swabisiwa ke gore go tsere lebaka le le kana.

Kana e e ne e dirwa ka 1987, ga dirwa some other works in 2001 le 2015.
Se ke eletsang gore ke se go reye, tsaya mafoko a me ka tlhoafalo sir, re tlaa leka gore re e tsenye fence.

Ke se re se tsentseng tota gore fa re aga ditsela tse re dira jalo, kwa ntleng ga mabaka a ke neng ke a supa ao.

Borogo jwa Lebethu le gone tota ke tsweletse ka dipuisanyo le ba lephata la me, ke bo dirisitse, ke a itse gore go diragala eng foo.

Mme kago ya marogo ka fa e ntseng e tsamaisiwa ka teng ...(inaudible)…e ntse e dirisiwa under development Budget.
Mme le nna ke bona gore gongwe go ne go ka nna molemo gore re leke go sekaseka seemo se re ka dirang gore re baakanye.

Se se botlhokwa ke pabalesego ya batho.

Mo nakong e re ne re ise re wetse jaaka o itse dithulaganyo tsa gore ba ka bo aga.

Ke tlaabo ke ntse ke buisanya le bone gore re fefose gore re bone gore re bo baakanye, go nne le tshireletsego.

Ke a leboga motlotlegi.

MR SPEAKER: Last supplementary Honourable Hikuama.

MR HIKUAMA: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Honourable Speaker.


Ke botsa Tona gore, tota fa motho kana batho ba metse ba lemoga gore mabaka a o a beileng pele gore ke one a a dirang gore go agelelwe ditsela, mme ba bo ba lemoga gore ditsela tsa bone ga di a teratelelwa, go kopiwa kwa go wena ka tsela e e ntseng jang?

Ke gore ba ye kwa Kgotleng ba ye go kopa kana ba kwale mokwalo ba go bontshe ditsela tse di batlang gore di teratelelwe kana wena o na le ka fa o lemoga ka teng gore ditsela tsa go nna jaana di tlhoka go teratelelwa?
Ke bua jaana ka gore Tona ditsela tsa North West fa o ka di lebelela tsotlhe go tswa kwa Makalamabedi go ya go ema kwa Mohembo, ga gona le fa e le epe e e terateletsweng, mme go na le diphologolo le dikgomo tse dintsi.

The same applies to bo Sehithwa to Kuke, dilo tse gore re tle re teratele ke fa re ka dira jang?

Ke a leboga.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister.

...Silence...

MR SEGOKGO: Sorry Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Ke tlhalositse gore mabaka a a dirang gore fa gongwe ditsela di bo sa teratelelwa ke a feng.

Jaanong o ne a mpotsa gore fa batho ba lemoga gore tsela tsa bone ga di a teratelelwa, ba ntemotshe ka tsela e e ntseng jang?

Nnyaa go siame rra fa e le gore ba ka ntemotsha ke le kwa Kgotleng kana ba ka nkwalela, ga ke bone gore go molato sepe sa tsone ditsamaiso tseo.
Gape le rona re a bo re ntse re sekaseka, re bona gore mo mading a re nang nao, ditsela tse re tlhokang go baakanya fences tsa tsone ke dife, e bile re di age.

Go boammaaruri gore fa gongwe re a bo re dirwa ke ditlhaelo tsa madi.

Mo gongwe ka o ne o bua ditsela tsa North West ke sa reye gore ke ka bua ke akaretsa fela mo go tsone tsotlhe, ke lefelo le le nang le diphologolo jaaka o bua tse di nang le crossing points.
Mangwe a mabaka a ke one a gongwe a tsalang gore le dingwe tsa ditsela tse o di umakileng, di bo di ise di tsenngwe diterata mo mafelong a o neng o a umaka.

Ga ke ka ke ka araba ke go tlhomamisetsa gore tsela e ya bolebelebe ka gore go ka tlhoka gore ke boele kwa morago go lebelelela mabaka a ditsela tseo ka bongwe ka bongwe gore e ne e le afe.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.
ETSSP INITIATIVE MR C. GREEFF (GABORONE BONNINGTON SOUTH): asked the Minister of Basic Education when the rollout of Education and Training Sector Strategic Plan (ETSSP) to other remaining schools, other than Moeng College and Maun Senior Secondary School will be effected, since the approval by Cabinet in 2015; he should further state: (i) progress made so far regarding retooling of teachers, where need arises, and equipping remaining schools with the necessary tools to keep pace with the dictates of the programme and curriculum; (ii) the level of financial preparedness to support the initiative; and (iii) if it is not necessary to make all secondary schools unified schools to assist in the implementation of ETSSP.
ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MS MAKWINJA): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke a leboga Motlotlegi Greeff.

Mr Speaker, ke lebogela potso e motlotlegi ka gore e tlaa re thusa thata go tlhalosa gore tota lenaneo le la go tlhabolola thuto le re le bitsang ka Sekgoa re re Education and Training Sector Strategic Plan (ETSSP), ke eng.
Ke ise ke arabe potso ya gago (i), 2 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER lenaneo le ke le le amang mehama yotlhe fela ya thuto le go rutuntsha bana ba rona, e re ka reng go tlhabolola thuto ya Botswana ka bophara.
Go thusa selo se, ke ka bolelela Ntlo e le Motswana kwa gae gore go na le mananeo a re setseng re a fetisitse a a tshwanang le bo General Education Curriculum Assessment Framework (GECAF), e re tlhabololang dithuto tsa rona fela go tswa kwa moding go ya kwa lekwalong le letona la dikole tse dikgolwanyane.

Re setse re simolotse jaaka batlotlegi ba itse gore re lekeletsa kwa Moeng le Maun ka lone lenaneo le.
2022 re a le sekaseka jaanong gore se re se ithutileng mo ditshekatshekong tse ke eng gore re tle re kgone go tlhabolola go ya pele, simolole Phase 2 ya teng e e tlaa simololang ka January 2023 fa e le gore se re se ithutileng, se re bontsha gore ke yone tsela.

Phase 3 ya teng e tlaa nna ka January 2024.

(i) Mr Speaker, gore re rutuntsha barutabana jang?

Jaaka re setse re bua jaana, re na le barutabana ba le 257 ba ba rutetsweng go ruta ba bangwe ba le 20.
Ba setse ba rutilwe ka lenaneo le go ruta ka mofuta o o pharologanyo.

E bile le ditlhatlhobo tsa bana tsa dithuto tse di setseng di tlhabolotswe, ba Botswana Examination Council (BEC) ba setse ba di dirile mme tse dingwe di mo lenaneong.

Mo godimo ga moo, re na le lenaneo la go thusa Bagokgo le batsamaisi ba dikole gore tota lenaneo le le tlaa tla le tsamaya jang.
Jaaka ke bua jaana batlotlegi, re na le education regions tsa rona di le lesome mme tse tsotlhe jaaka re bua jaana, re na le 25 trainers of trainers ba ba setseng ba phatlaladitswe go ya go leka go ruta go tsweledisa lenaneo.

Jaanong ke sone se ke neng ke re go botlhokwa thata gore re le tlhalosetse gore re tsamayatsamaya fa kae.

(ii) E bua ka gore a go na le ditsompelo tsa go tsamaisa lenaneo le?

Ditsompelo di teng Mr Speaker.


Fa re lebile 2022/2023 financial year, re na le letseno le le tlaa kgonang go re thusa gore ka bonya ka bonya re godise dikole, re bo re bone gore bana ba nna fa bonnong jo bo lebegang e bile bo ba nonotsha gore ba ithute sentle.

Le yone ke kgolo e re tlaabong re tsamaisa thuto ka maranyane e le bontlha bongwe jwa go e tsamaisa, fa re bua jaana re gatetse pele mo go yone.

(iii) Mr Speaker, e bua ka 12-year basic education.
Mr Speaker, re santse re tlile go nna le 12-year basic education mme re ntse re na le Form 1 to Form 5 jaaka le itse gore re ya go nna le preschool e e tlaabong e le two years, go bo go nna le go tswelela fela go tswa foo go ya go tsena kwa go Form 5.

Ke a leboga batlotlegi, ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Thank you.

MR GREEFF: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

O ka neela Mapalamente a mangwe nna ke siame.

MR MMOLOTSI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Gongwe Tona a e tlhatswe sentle gore kana the two schools, sa Maun Senior Secondary School le sa Moeng, ke na le tumelo ya gore go simolotswe ka tsone mme e bile this thing e le pilot project.

Jaanong ke ne ke re gongwe a e tlhatswe sentle gore rollout to all the schools tsa lefatshe la Botswana, e tlaabo e diragala ka ngwaga mang?

Re solofele gore dikole tsotlhe di tlaabo di le mo seemong sa go ka simolola programme ya ETSSP leng?
Sa bobedi e le gone gore ke a itse Tona gore kana the initial project cost for this programme was about P72 billion mme ke utlwa o kare you are financially prepared.

Ke ne ke re ke itse gore o raya jang?

A o raya gore re solofele gore go bapa le madi ao a e neng e le gore it was the initial cost ya project e when it was rolled out to all the schools, re setse re na le one?

Jaanong mme gape Tona, kana we are in the middle or beginning of implementation ya ETSSP.
Gompieno re tsamaela to implement the new Botswana General Certificate (BGCSE) of Secondary Education curriculum, jaanong ke go botse gore a mme ke boammaaruri gore lephata la gago le hirile Curriculum Director wa motswakwa?
Fa e le gore ke boammaaruri Tona, gongwe o re tlhalosetse gore fa re lebile gore re tsamaya fa kae mo levels ka go farologana, fa gongwe go simololwa review ya curriculum, kana re tsena mo project implementation ya ETSSP, a o bona fa re leng teng, re ne re tshwanelwa ke go hira motswakwa gore a tle go re bolelela, a re etelele pele mo implementation ya curriculum e e simolotsweng ke ba bangwe?
E bile gongwe o tle o tlhalose gore a mo lefatsheng la Botswana, ga gona batho ba ba nang le dithuto tse di botoka kana di tshwana, go gaisa tsa motswakwa yoo, yo re utlwalelang fa a tswa kwa Zimbabwe?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MS MAKWINJA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga motlotlegi le fa dipotso tse dingwe ke ne ke sa di botswa, ke tlaa leka ka bojotlhe go di araba.

O ne o re re solofela gore re tlaa anamisa leng kana re tlaa tsenya lone lenaneo le mo dikoleng tse dingwe leng.
Ke re Phase 2 honourable e tlaa simolola ka 2023 mme go na le subjects di le six tse ke ka di go balololelang, tse di tlaabong di tsena.

3 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Jaanong Social Sciences tse e leng gore ke di Social Sciences pathways, tsa Phase II, ke tse di simololang ka January 2023 fa re sena go bona gore re ya kae ka lenaneo le.
Go bo go tsena Phase III, e e leng gore e tlaabo e le business oriented; ya Entrepreneurship, Business Management, Accounting and Economics.

Jaanong re solofela gore e tlaa re ka 2024 gongwe 2025, e bo e le gone tota re ka reng lenaneo le le jweleletse le dikole tsa rona tsotlhe.

Motlotlegi o ne a botsa ka budget a re a ke raya gore ene P7.2 billion o re na nae.

Jaaka o bona motlotlegi, re a le ngatha ka gore madi a ga a yo.

Re ngatha go bona gore kwa phelelong lenaneo le le diragetse.
Jaaka re le sekaseka jaana gape, gongwe re ya go bona metlhale e mengwe e e leng gore e ka re somarela ledi, mme ra kgona go dira dilo tse ka bofefo.

Yone tshekatsheko e, e lebile le lone ledi lele gore re ka dira jang ditiro tse re batlang go di dira tse, mme ka madi a a lekanyeng.

Ke sone se o bonang re ngatha, re ngatha, re tlile go le fetsa mong wa me.
O ne o bua ka review ya Junior Certificate (JC) le gore re hirile motswakwa, ke re motlotlegi, ke utlwa gongwe letshwenyego la gago, re tshwanetse go amogela gore gongwe jaaka re ntse re bua ka gore re na le mathata jaana, re tshwanetse go lebagana le mathata a. Rre yo wa motswakwa re mo tseetse ka gore thulaganyo e re batlang go e dira e, e diriwa kwa lefatsheng la gabone, e bile ke bone ba neng ba e dira.

O a itse gore consultants di a tla, di re kgobelela recommendations di bo di tsamaya.
Fa re sena skill seo mo gae, re tshwanetse go lemoga gore go na le batho ba ba nang le skill, ba train, ba tsamae re sale re kgokgoeletsa tiro e ya rona gore e ye bokhutlong.

Ke sone se re itemogetseng gore rona ka borona le fa o re go na le batho ba ba nang le skill ba rile, you can be educated, you can have skill, mme go dira go na le pharologanyo fela thata gona le o bala mo theory o bo o re I am implementing.

Ke selo se re neng re se akantse, e bile re a se dira motlotlegi.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

MR MOTSAMAI: Supplementary.

Mr Speaker, dumela le Mapalamente otlhe, le Matona a Puso.

Motlotlegi Makwinja, ke batla go go botsa dipotso tse pedi fela kgaitsadiaka, re a go utlwa o bua ka mananeo, o araba dipotso tsa mananeo.
Ke batla go itse gore one mananeo a a buiwang a a billions tse di ntsintsi, a o tlaa a kgona e le gore re santse re na le bothata jo bo kanakana mo dikgaolong, bogolo jang sekole sengwe ke sele kwa kgaolong ya Gantsi South sa Marakanelo le tse dingwe tsa bo Rethuseng le Tshimologo, go santse go pala drainage ya bana ba dikole, e bile ba felela ba bangwe ba shema dijo, ba nna fa gare ga metsi a a tsitsibanyang mmele a a nkgang?
A mme dikgang tse o tlaa di kgona ka gore tsele fa re bua le lona, la re madi ga a yo?

Ga o ketlole mo go tsone billions tse wa ya go fa barutabana kwa Marakanelo, Rethuseng le Tshimologo gore ba baakanye diemo?

Ya bofelo ke ya gore, go na le dikgang tse di kwa region tse ke tsayang gore ke ne ka di bua mo Palamenteng, mme le ne la ntshepisa gore ke dikgang tse di nyennyane, le tlaabo le di rarabolotse mo malatsing a mabedi.
A dikgang tse o di buang tse, ka fa le itsolopaganyang ka teng, a o tlaa di kgona o palelwa ke go rarabolola dikgang tse di mo region ya Gantsi tse di re potileng ka fa le ka fa?

Tota di pedi fela dipotso tse.

Ke a leboga.

MS MAKWINJA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi.

Ke ka go araba fela ka go raya ka re gompieno our Development Budget, we have implemented about 30 per cent, re na le mathata a maintenance ya dikago.
Jaaka batlotlegi ba itse, le kwa go bone, prefabricated houses tse re saleng re re di a tsena, tse dingwe ga di yo, tse dingwe ke two, three years, go ntse gotwe go a dirwa.

Re na le bothata betsho jwa dikonteraka le bodiredi.

Re tshwanetse go amogela seemo se, ka gore fa dilo tse di ka bo di dirilwe motlotlegi, re ka bo re sena mathata a septic tanks tse di phephethang, bana ba nna mo kgannyeng e ba leng mo go yone.
Ke raya gore ke dilo tse re tshwanetseng go di thusanya, fa le bona go ntse jalo, le rona re a lwa ka fa.

So ke yone e e leng gore ke ka go araba fela gore madi a teng, ke gone go tlhoka go dira tiro ka tlhoafalo.

Le gore jaaka re na le mathata a dikonteraka jaana le a itse batlotlegi, ga ke a tshwanela go a le bolelela.

Gore a re tlaa kgona mathata a a ka kwa go wena, ke one a maintenance motlotlegi.
A dipaakanyo tsa letsatsi le letsatsi tse di palang; a o kwa khanseleng kana kwa Central Government, go a pala.

Jaanong ke sone se e leng gore with the reset, jaaka re ikaeletse jaana, re fetotse melao ya procurement ya bo eng, re gopola gore dilo tse re tlaa di kgona go ise go ye kae.

Ke a leboga Motlotlegi.
STATUS OF HIV AND AIDS IN BOTSWANA MR J. L. THIITE (GHANZI NORTH): asked the Minister of Health and Wellness to brief this Honourable House on the status of HIV and AIDS in Botswana from April 2020 to date; he should state: 4 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER (i) the number of new registered cases of HIV infections; (ii) the number of those enrolled for “Treat All” programme; (iii) the current status of Antiretroviral Therapy drugs at Central Medical Stores and health facilities across the country; (iv) the current status of condom dispensation in Botswana; (v) Mr Speaker, due to COVID-19, go kgoreletsa motsamao ga batho ba ba tshelang le bolwetse jo, go ne ga nna le kgoreletsego mo bathong ba ba tsayang dilo tse ka gore bangwe go ne go nna thata jalo gore gongwe ba ka felela ba ile check-ups.
Le gone fela jalo gore ka nako ya teng re a itse gore go ne go na le gore go fokoditswe thata physical contact, jaanong balwetse ba le ba ntsi ba ne ba beelwa sebaka se se leele gore ba se ka ba bona dingaka, ba nne ba tsaya melemo fela go ya kwa pele.
(v) challenges experienced by people living with HIV and AIDS on accessing HIV and AIDS related health care services during the COVID-19 Pandemic; (vi) the current major health concerns on people living with HIV and AIDS during the Pandemic; and (vii) the consequences of the COVID-19 Pandemic on Botswana’s HIV and AIDS prevention, care and treatment mechanisms at national level.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Thank you so much Mr Speaker.
(i) Ke supe jalo gore the HIV situation in the country e supa gore e wela kwa tlase fa re lebeletse dipalo tsa batho ba ba fitlhelwang ba na le mogare.

Se se supafala jaana ka dipalo tse di latelang.

Year 2019 2020 2021 Number 15,491 14,033 9,465 (ii) Batho ba ba neng ba simolola lenaneo le la treat all le le simolotseng ka 2016 gompieno ba tsamaya mo go 335,362.
(iii) Re supe jalo gore dipilisi tse tsa di ARV at Central Medical Stores (CMS) le kwa dipateleng di supa jalo gore is at 88 per cent mo nakong e ya gompieno.

(iv) Fa re bua ka tse tsa itshireletso, mo go tweng dikausu (condoms), re supe jalo gore re na le three months stock ya male condoms kwa CMS while kwa facilities re na le stock that lasts five months.

Generally, the whole is eight months stock se se available.
(vi) Mr Speaker, se se neng se tlhobaetsa fa COVID-19 e simolola, e ne e le gore kana batho ba ba tshelang ka mogare, ba ne ba le mo group e go tweng it is high risk, gore fa ba ka tsenwa ke COVID-19, ba ka nna ba re tlogela.

Se ke sone se se neng se tlhobaetsa fela thata, mme ke tsaya gore go ne ga se ka ga nna worse ka fa re neng re akantse ka teng.
(vii) Mr Speaker, nationally, COVID-19 gore e ne ya ama jang batho ba ba tshelang ka dipilisi, re supe gore go ne ga nna le dikgang tse ke buileng ka tsone mo karabong ya ntlha gore go tsaya madi, go tlhatlhoba, tse tsotlhe di ne tsa amega.

Mabaka e le one a gore jaaka ke ne ke bua gore contact e ne e sa letlelelwe mo go kalo ka restrictions tse di neng di le teng, mme tse ke tsaya gore ke tsotlhe tse re di lebeletseng.
Dilo tse di tshwanang le bo Teenage Club kwa bana mo lefatsheng ba ba mo Antiretroviral (ARVs) ba neng ba tlhola ba kopana teng, ba buisana ka dikgang tsa bone tsa adherence.

Ke dingwe tsa dilo tse le tsone di neng tsa amega Mr Speaker.

Re a itse gore ga re na laboratories in all facilities, jaanong go nna o ntse o move from one laboratory to the other le gone ke dingwe tsa dintlha tse di neng tsa amega, e le dilo tse di amang batho ba ba mo dipilising tsa diritibatsi.
All in all Mr Speaker, re dumela gore seemo se boetse mannong.

Re a itse gore re na le programme ya rona e nngwe ya circumcision, le yone e ne ya amega fela thata ka gore operations di ne di sa dirwe.

Ke programmes dingwe tse di dirisiwang go fokotsa kanamo ya mogare wa HIV.

Ke a leboga.

MR THIITE: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Karabo ya ga Minister e a kgotsofatsa.

I thank you.
5 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER ACCREDITATION AND RENEWALS AT BQA MR O. RAMOGAPI (PALAPYE): asked the Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology to apprise this Honourable House on the total number of applications pending for new accreditation and renewals; he should further state: (i) the turnaround time for new applications and renewals; (ii) the total number of staff involved in the accreditation process and how many staff members were suspended, at the office dealing with accreditation and renewals, how many staff contracts were not renewed including the management leadership and how many remained in the office; (iii) mitigation strategies in place to ensure that service delivery is not affected as the accreditation process is said to be moving very slowly or not moving at all; (iv) the cost of the new Botswana Qualifications Authority (BQA) system for accreditation and training respectively; and (v) the benefits of the new system compared to the old one.
Later Date.

ISPAAD MR P. MAJAGA (NATA-GWETA): asked the Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security if he will re-consider the Integrated Support Programme for Arable Agriculture Development (ISPAAD) Programme so that farmers can be paid according to their produce and not according to hectares ploughed.

OF MINISTER AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MR GARE): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

O tlaa intshwarela gore ga ke a tsenya senepe ka mabaka a gore maranyane a me a bokoa fa ke leng teng.
Ke go dumedise, ke bo ke dumedise batlotlegi Mapalamente mo tshokologong eno.

Mr Speaker, sa ntlha fela pele ke amogela gore lenaneo la rona la ISPAAD ka fa le ntseng ka teng gompieno, le itebagantse le go tsenya madi ka mokgwa wa go fa balemi dipeo, go ba lemela, mo gotweng draught power, le go ba fa menontshane le tse di bolayang mohero.

Mr Speaker, ke dumalana le motlotlegi gore re baakanye lenaneo le.

Ka go rialo, re mo thulaganyong e e setseng e gatetse pele, re sekasekile lenaneo le.
Maikaelelo e le go dira gore e nne le le itebagantseng thata le go fa balemi moputso mo thobong ya bone.

Ka bokhutshwane fela Mr Speaker, lenaneo le re le sekasekile ka mabaka a go rotloetsa balemi gore ba ntshe go le gontsi.

Maikaelelo e le go fitlhelela gore re nne le dijo tse di lekaneng mo lefatsheng.

Lenaneo le re tlaabong re le dirisa Mr Speaker, re dumela gore le tlaabo le siame for temo ya 2022/23.
Re dumela gore re tlaabo re setse re le ribolotse pele ga kgwedi ya July kana ya Phukwi e ya fifing.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR MAJAGA: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Thank you Honourable Minister.

O arabile Mokwena, mme gongwe motho o ka latedisa ka gore, are you going to make this in phases?

Kana le e tle e re fa go na le lenaneo le le tshwanang le le, le bo le bua jaaka o bua sentle jaana, gore le bone se se ka siama, jaaka potso ya me e le maikaelelo a rona re le Puso.
Are you going to make this in phases kana e tlaabo e le gore you just unveil the new programme the whole country?

Ke batla gore go tlhalosege gone foo because golo mo go ka bolokela lephata la gago madi Tona.

O ka tlhabolola diofisi le tse dingwe tsa bana ba gago le dikoloi, ga nna sentle fa re ka tsaya madi otlhe a re a dirisang mo ISPAAD, millions tse di kana mme go sena production.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR GARE: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke go leboge Honourable Majaga.


Maikaelelo a rona re le Puso ke go netefatsa gore re thusa balemi gore ba kgone go ntsha dijo mo masimong a bone.

Gongwe ga ke ka ke ka bua gore re tlaa le dira in phases kana jang, ke tlaabo gongwe ke tlolela ngwana diphatsana ka mabaka a gore le tshwanetse le fete ka tsamaiso yotlhe e e feletseng pele re ka le ribolola semmuso.

Se ke ka se bolelelang batlotlegi ke gore maikaelelo a rona ke gore ga re batle go tlogela molemi ope kwa morago.
Ga go na ope yo o tlaa salelang kwa morago re re re santse re dira in phases kana jang.

Maikaelelo a rona ke gore lenaneo le le re fe maduo, bogolo jang dijo ka mokgwa o re ka kgonang go fitlhela re na le seabe se se utlwalang mo kgannyeng ya go itirela dijo mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR KEKGONEGILE: Supplementary.

Tanki Mr Speaker, mma re dumedise batlotlegi, setšhaba le ba bophirima.
Tona, kana ngwaga o o fetileng le ne le solofeditse gore ka February jaana mo Palamenteng, go tlaabo go ribololwa ISPAAD e ntšha, gompieno o suteletse kwa go July.

Tota gone mme motho o ka botsa 6 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER gore ke dife milestones tse di leng teng in place?

Le dira eng gompieno se se ka supang gore boammaaruri July go tlaa direga, se se ka rayang setšhaba se re ka July ga le na gore November?

Tanki Tona.

MR GARE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Ke a leboga Honourable Kekgonegile.

Kana tota re tshwanetse ra amogela nna le wena Honourable Kekgonegile gore dilo tse ga re di dire re le nosi re le ministry.

Ke dilo tse re di pataganetseng le banaleseabe botlhe, bogolo jang thata balemi le ba ba leng mo kgwebong ya go dira dipeo kana menontshane jalojalo.
Ga go molato go ipeela seelo, mme fela kana se se botlhokwa se o tshwanetseng go se tlhaloganya Honourable Member, ke ne ke bua kgantele ke re maikaelelo le maikemisetso a rona ke gore ga re batle gore Batswana ba palelwe ke go ntsha dijo.

Ke raya ke lebeletse lebaka la gore gompieno jaana, re na le dikgwetlho tse di re lebaganyeng tsa dijo mo lefatsheng.

Ke bua se gore ke netefatse gore mme July, ga a ka ke a re palela.
Tota fela go bua nnete le ene February, lenaneo le siame jaaka ke ne ke bua, re setse re le dirile, re le tshotse.

Tsamaiso fela ke gore le fete ka ditsamaiso tsotlhe le stakeholders tsotlhe gore le bone ba dumalane.

E se ka ya nna lenaneo la Lephata la Agriculture fela, e nne la rona re le lefatshe le banaleseabe botlhe ba re nang le bone mo kgannyeng ya go ntsha dijo.
Ke sone se fa gongwe dilo tse dingwe, re felelela re di suteletsa fa pele, mme fela lenaneo lone re le bopile, re le feditse Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke a leboga.
DIS OFFICERS MR L. LESEDI (SEROWE SOUTH): asked the Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration to confirm if there are any Directorate of Intelligence and Security (DIS) officers on paid leave and to further explain: (i) how many officers at DIS have been put on leave, their ranks and for how long; (ii) the reasons for the leave and the numbers of DIS officers on leave and getting full salaries and benefits; (iii) the numbers and ranks of officers on leave with access to service weapons and Government vehicles; (iv) the numbers of DIS officers on suspension and the number of those facing disciplinary hearing; and (v) if any of the officers on leave have been replaced.
ASSISTANT MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC (MR MTHIMKHULU): ADMINISTRATION Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, I can confirm to this Honourable House that Directorate of Intelligence and Security (DIS) has a limited number of officers on interdiction and some on paid leave.

However, due to risk inherent in the intelligence community and the job environment, we plead with this House for us not to disclose the numbers and ranks involved.
This has potential to compromise the service and its personnel.

Mr Speaker, those on interdiction are on full pay and enjoy all benefits and allowances in exception of overtime allowance.

Those on interdiction are not allowed access and use of service weapons and Government vehicles.

I can also confirm that none of the interdicted have been replaced.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR LESEDI: Supplementary.

Mma ke go leboge Mr Speaker.

Ke lebogele karabo e e dirilweng ke Tona.


Sengwe sa dilo tse e neng e kete se ka eletsega go itsiwe, ke palo e a supang gore ga a ka ke a e ntsha (disclose).

Mma ke fete ke botse gore, a ke mo utlwa sentle fa a re bangwe ba batho ba ba mo suspension, gongwe ga a wela sentle, ke batla go itse gore fa ba le mo paid leave ba bangwe ba le mo full pay, kgang ke eng?

A go na le bangwe ba bone ba mo nakong ya gompieno ba santseng ba dirisa dikoloi le dithobotswana tsa tiro?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


MR MTHIMKHULU: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, jaaka ke ne ke bua fela ke gore fa motho a le mo interdiction ga a ka ke a dirisa dikoloi tsa tiro kana service weapons, ka gore o a bo a le mo interdiction.

Tota ga go kgonagale, that is what I am saying on the second part of my answer gore, those on interdiction are not allowed access and use of service weapons and Government vehicles.

Go ntse fela jalo.

I thank you Mr Speaker.


THE OPPOSITION (MR LEADER OF SALESHANDO): Order Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, kana bontsi jwa potso e ga e a arabiwa.

Minister, a re ke mabaka a itshireletso gore re ka itse gore ke ba le kae ba ba beilweng mo suspension.

Ke batla go itse gore, ka the substantial part of the question ga e a arabiwa, a Tona o ne a setse a kile a supa ka kwa go wena gore ga a na go tlisa karabo jaaka e boditswe for security reasons.
Fa re ka letlelela Matona gore a ka nna fela a re fa ke ka le bolelela gore motho o seegetswe kwa tlhoko lebaka le 7 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER le kae, go tlaabo go sa siama for security reasons ga re tle go bona dikarabo gotlhelele ka DIS.

Fa e le gore ga a kopa go letlelelwa gore a se ka a araba, ke kopa gore a fiwe taelo ya gore a tlise karabo ya potso yotlhe jaaka e feletse.
MR SPEAKER: Honourable Saleshando, on this one it is quite clear to me that it would be dangerous to give numbers publicly, because amongst us are enemies and they must not be afforded a foot in our security.

Therefore, the Minister has my permission.


BUSINESS RESCUE LAW MR D. L. KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE WEST): asked the Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry: (i) if he is currently in the process of developing a business rescue law as an alternative legal route for financially distressed companies, as opposed to liquidation proceedings; if so, to elaborate and give clear timelines and if no, to explain; and MR SALESHANDO: Okay, the permission was given by yourself?
(ii) update Parliament on companies which are currently under liquidation.

MR SPEAKER: Yes.

MR SALESHANDO: Okay, thank you sir.

MR SPEAKER: Last supplementary.

MR RAMOGAPI: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke botsa Tona gore, a go boammaaruri Tona gore go le gantsinyana le na le go tshwara maDIS ba Modimo ba, ba sena molato ba bo ba tlhatlhelwa.

Fa ba sena go nna ba tlhatlhelwa ba swelelwa fela, go tsweng foo ga ba isiwe le fa e le for mentioning kwa court.
Kamoso o mongwe gape le a ba tshwara le a ba tlhatlhela le a ba swelela, ga ba mention le fa e le kwa court, ba a gololwa.

Gotwe go belaesega gore gatwe e kile e bo e le ditsala tsa ga Tautona wa pele.

A selo se ke boammaaruri mabapi le go tlhatlhelwa ga maDIS rraetsho?

Ke a leboga.

MR MTHIMKHULU: O bua ka speculations Rre Ramogapi.


If you had given me one particular incident that you know of a DIS officer yo o tshwerweng a bo a tlhatlhelwa a ntshiwa, a tshwarwa a tlhatlhelwa a ntshiwa …(Interruption)… MR RAMOGAPI: Mothusa Mookamedi wa DIS sir.

MR MTHIMKHULU: …ka gore e ne e le tsala ya ga Khama I will understand.

Wa re Mookamedi wa DIS o ne a tshwerwe?

MR RAMOGAPI: Deputy Director.

MR MTHIMKHULU: Ehe, Deputy Director.

Fa e le gore o ne a tshwerwe, go ne go dirwa ditlhotlhomiso.
Ke raya fa e le gore o ne a tshwerwe ka fa o buang ka teng, fa e le gore o a itse, go ne go dirwa ditlhotlhomiso against him.

Fa e le gore e bile o a mo itse Deputy Director yo, o a itse gore go setse go na le dikgato dingwe tse di tserweng against him.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

8 Later Date.


UPGRADING ROADS TO BITUMEN STANDARD DR N. TSHABANG (NKANGE): asked the Minister of Transport and Communications: (i) whether he has plans to upgrade the Dagwi- Maitengwe Junction and Nkange to Changate roads to bitumen standard; (ii) why these roads have been excluded from the National Development Plans; and (iii) the schedule for any planned upgrade.

OF AND MINISTER COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): Thank you Mr Speaker.
TRANSPORT (i) Mr Speaker, lephata la me ga le na dithulaganyo tsa gore le ka aga ditsela tsa Dagwi-Maitengwe Junction and Nkange to Changate ka sekonotere.

Di ne di sa akarediwa mo National Development Plan (NDP) 11.

(ii) Mr Speaker, gore re sekaseke re bo re tsenye ditsela tsa go nna jaana mo NDP, di a bo di simologile kwa constituency le kwa district ba supa fa e le tsone ditsela tse ba di boneng di le botlhokwa gore di tle di tsenngwe sekonotere.
Mr Speaker, mo ditseleng tse Mopalamente a buang ka tsone, ga di ise di ko di tsisiwe fa pele ga rona gore re tle tle re di sekaseke go di akaretsa mo NDP.
(iii) Mr Speaker, ga re na a schedule sa gore re ka re re ya go dira leng ditsela tse, ka mabaka a dikarabo tse pedi tse ke ntseng ke di fa tse gore di ne di sa tsenngwa mo plan, ga di ise di tlisiwe fa pele Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER ga rona ka tsela e e tlaabong e re raya e re re sekasekeng gore a re ka di tsenya mo NDP.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

DR TSHABANG: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.


Minister, are you aware gore these roads di nna di tsenngwa from the constituency le district, but fa di tsena kwa ministry wa lona they are deprioritised.

Ka gore gompieno re di tsentse di etla, di tlile go tsena, are you promising gore you will prioritise and include them?

Sa bobedi, ke gore kana ditsela tse dingwe which are even longer than tse pedi tse, some of them tsa bo 15 km they have been considered for interlocking pavers.
I want to know why tse di sa kgone gore di tsene in your planned schedule to upgrade them.

Mabaka a gore tse dingwe di kgone go tsena di se mo NDP 11, tse di bo di sa kgone go tsena, le di kganela le tsone di se mo NDP 11 how do you differentiate such kind of roads?

Thank you.

MR SEGOKGO: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ke santse ke boela kwa karabong ya me e e reng, di ne di sa tlisiwa fa pele ga rona gore re di sekaseke go di tsenya in the NDP.
Fa e le gore Mopalamente o itse gore di tlisitswe kwano, o tlaa tla a mpotsha a bo a ntemosa bosupi joo.

Se ke se itseng ke gore, ga di a tsisiwa fa pele ga rona.

Jaanong o ne a bua ka ditsela tse a reng di ne di sa dirwa, di tsentswe jang, ka di di dirwa ka block paving.

Ga ke mo seemong sa go arabela kgang e ke senang bosupi le boammaaruri jwa gore o bua ka ditsela dife.
Ga ke ka ke ka mo solofetsa mo nakong e gore re tlaa di aga ka block paving di ise di tsisiwe fa pele ga rona gore re di sekaseke ka seemo se se ntseng jalo.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Last supplementary Honourable Majaga.

MR MAJAGA: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Re a go leboga Tona.

Motho o ka botsa Tona gore ka ditsela ka bontsi o fitlhela di le mo ditogamaanong, mme fa e le gore ga di a dirwa, batho ba dirile ditsamaiso tsotlhe kwa metseng e e lebanyeng.
Fa e le gore ga di a dirwa ka nako e e boletsweng, jaaka ke ka fa sekai ka tsela ya rona Maun, the spot ya Nata- Zoroga ya Dineo ya 2017, go a tweng gone foo?

A le le ministry le ya kwa bathong le ba tlhalosetsa le ba ba lebanyeng jaaka Mopalamente Never Tshabang a botsa.

O tlhalosa gore ga go na plan epe e e teng kwa.

Jaaka a boditse, le le Lephata la Ditsela, e bile re itse gore ditsela ke mokokotlo wa lefatshe, a le ya teng kana le nna fela?
Ke bona ditsela tsotlhe tsa Dineo di dirilwe mo lefatsheng la Botswana, go setse kwa ga me fela, kana re jetse eng batho ga re sa tlhole re itse?

Jaanong a le ya teng kana le nna fela, a ko o tlhalose?

MR SEGOKGO: Honourable Majaga, tota o ne o batla re bua kgang ya Nata-Maun fa e sentsweng ke Dineo teng.

Ga ke bone kgang ya gago ka fa e nyalanang teng sentle le dikgang tsa ga Dr Tshabang.

Mma ke arabe fela ke re, re tsaya matsapa sir gore re ye go bona seemo sa ditsela, mme kana di bophara, di dintsi.
Di na le ka fa di senyegang ka teng ka dipula.

Fa gongwe nna ka sebele ke le Tona, ke bo ke sa kgone go di bona tsotlhe.

Ke tlaa e soboka fela ke re, e tlaa dirwa sir.

E kwa setlhoeng gore re dire paakanyo e o e eletsang eo.

Ga e tsamaalane le tsa Development Budget ka fa e tlaa dirwang ka teng.

Ke a leboga Honourable Majaga.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further supplementary.

MR SPEAKER: Ka Sekgoa ke rile that was the last, ke raya gore ke ya bofelo.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Re thuse Never.


MR SPEAKER: Fa e le gore o ne a boletsa lona le siame, o boditse.

Let us move on to Motions.

MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT – DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Review of the Standing Orders and Composition of all Non-functioning Parliamentary Committees Motion (Resumed Debate) MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Honourable Members.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, may I raise a point of order at this point?

MR SPEAKER: Order?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Yes sir.


MR SALESHANDO: Point of order.

Yes Mr Speaker, in terms of the Standing Orders, this debate is limited to two hours; Standing Order 50.4.
Given the amount of interest on the topic as you can already see from those 9 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE who have indicated their interest to speak, I wish to propose that at this point that we extend the two hours with a further two hours to allow for greater participation and therefore, effectively varying what is provided for by Standing Order 50.4.

I move accordingly Mr Speaker.


MR SPEAKER: That is a question of procedure, not order as such.

The procedure is the one which gives two hours.

Honourable Members, Honourable Saleshando is moving a Motion that we suspend the two hours prescribed by the Standing Order 50 and extend the time for this Motion by two hours.

Honourable Members, the question is that the debate on this Motion be extended by a further two hours.

MR MOTAOSANE: Procedure Mr Speaker, before we take a decision.
MR SPEAKER: Ee, ke emetse lona gakere.

I am putting the question so that you can debate if you want.

MR MOTAOSANE: Point of procedure.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, I have just sent a note to your office that I want to withdraw this Motion.

So, if you could allow me to do that Mr Speaker, you could save us time to go into Saleshando’s debate.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)...

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, o ka bo o sa o boela morago.
MR SPEAKER: I did not see the note, I am not sure Mokgatla gore o e isitse kwa go mang.

MR MOTAOSANE: Okay Mr Speaker, I sent the security officer to your office.

I can read the note Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: You know Honourable Motaosane, as the Honourable Member in charge of the Motion, you can speak.

You do not have to read anything.

You can speak and tell your colleagues in the House what is it that you consider should be done in your view.
MR MOTAOSANE: Mr Speaker, I wish to withdraw this Motion as per the Standing Order 48.1.

Honourable Speaker, a leave is hereby sought from this Honourable House in terms of Standing Order Number 48.1 of rules of this House to withdraw this Motion.

It has Mr Speaker, come to my attention that Parliament is going on recess within a very few days, and therefore, it may not be possible or practical to fully implement what the Motion seeks to achieve within the 48 days.
I accordingly seek leave of this House to have this Motion withdrawn Mr Speaker.

I rest my case.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa mme ga o a ntirela sentle.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Good going Motaosane.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A ko le iketleng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go raya gore le ye to meet kwa dikomiting.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, let us have peace.


Because I have not had notice of what Honourable Motaosane is proposing, I did not have time to read the Standing Orders so as to be able to help you on the procedures that must be followed.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Bo padile boloi.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: The Vice President does not seem to agree.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Boloi bo bonwa kwa Bobonong gakere?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O tlhapatsa batho ba Bobonong fela jalo?
MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, now we have two Motions; the first one being a proposal to increase the hours for debating this Motion and the second one which will render the first one inoperative if it succeeds says, the Motion should be withdrawn.

The interpretation which I think will be proper will be to put the second Motion first to see if we have a Motion in respect of which we can then debate whether there are hours to be extended.

The question Honourable Members is that the Motion be withdrawn.
The Standing Order requires the leave of the House.

Honourable Members, a matsogo a ke a bonang a ke a ba ba dumalanang le the proposed withdrawal of the Motion?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke a ba ba neng ba batla to debate.

MR SPEAKER: Let us do like maabane.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: It is on the current proposal Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Reetsang ee, I suspect so.
Jaanong ka re ba ba batlang go akgela mo Tshutisong ya ga Honourable Motaosane, tsholetsang matsogo, ke tlaa le bona on the screens.

Honourable Reatile followed by Honourable Morwaeng.

10 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE MR REATILE (JWANENG-MABUTSANE): Thank you Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re le nna ke eme ke akgele mo motsotsong o. Ke supe gore kana mong wa leso fa re leng teng fa ke Honourable Motaosane mme fa a tlisa Motion e a bo e le wa Ntlo.
Fa e le wa Ntlo jaana, we debate it but fa re ntse re tsweletse a bo a dumela gore Motion o ka fa e neng e le gore o dumela jaanong o tlaa diragatsa (serve) purpose e e rileng mme e bile gape a dumela gore nako ka fa a e lebang ka teng ga go ka ke ga nyalana, melawana ya Ntlo e e a mo letla Mr Speaker gore o ka boa a bolelela Ntlo e gore Tshutiso e a neng a e tlisitse fa pele ga Ntlo e ka boingotlo le boikokobetso, o e boela morago.
Mr Speaker, fa a setse a buile jalo, ga gona jaaka re ka mo o pateletsa ka gore ga a sa tlhole a na le Motion, ga gona se re ka se buisanang.

Go tlaabo go raya gore jaanong mo re go buisanang re tsena mo dinaaneng fela re bua diele tsa Setswana tse re tlaabong re tsweletse ka tsone.

Ke ne ke re kgang e tlhamaletse fela mme ke gore tota jaanong re tswelele le business of this House ka fa e ntseng ka teng mo Order Paper.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O bua boammaaruri, go ntse jalo.
FOR PRESIDENTIAL MINISTER AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): Mma ke go leboge Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke go ikokobeletse motlotlegi.

Go boammaaruri gore Motlotlegi Rre Motaosane o tlile ka Motion mme fa a tlile ka one, o ile wa baakanngwa (amended) maabane ka fa o baakantsweng ka teng.

Jaaka mongwe a ile a bua, Motion o jaanong ga e sa tlhole e le wa ga Rre Motaosane, ke wa rona re le Palamente.
However, kakanyo ke gore ka gore Motion o o na le ditlamorago tse dintsi e bile o botlhokwa mo go rona rotlhe re le mo Ntlong e, bakaulengwe, ka Rre Motaosane o kopa gore a o boele kwa morago to make things better ka gore o ntshitse le mabaka a gore malatsi a bo 14 days a ka se re berekele ka Palamente ke e e a tswalwa kamoso, ke ne ke kopa ke ikokobeditse Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente gore a re amogele kopo ya ga Motlotlegi Rre Motaosane gore re tswelele pele.
O tlaa tla ka one nako e nngwe fa go tlhokega.

Kopo ya me ke ne ke re a re amogele kopo ya ga Motlotlegi Rre Motaosane.

Ke ikokobeditse Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Makwinja followed by Dr Tshabang.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MS MAKWINJA): Ke ne ke re ke gatelele gore ke dumalana le mogopolo wa Tshutiso ya ga Honourable Motaosane gore tota fa a lebile lebaka, mogopolo o jaaka a ne a o buile, ga o ka ke wa kgonega Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

DR TSHABANG (NKANGE): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke tseye nako e le nna ke dumalane le Rre Motaosane to withdraw Motion wa gagwe.

O setse a beile mabaka a gagwe a gore 14 days o ya go wela Palamente e tswetswe, that is honourable enough, le gore tota Motion wa gagwe has been distorted by Office of the President.

Re bona gore they are distorting it, ba batla intention e sele mme ene o ne a batla to affect non-performing committees.
Jaanong the motive e e neng e tla, le ene re ne re mmona maabane gore o a jega mo moweng.

Ke ne ke mo utlwela botlhoko gore o ka tla ka Motion o o ntseng jaana o na le maikaelelo a a clear o bo o tla o tsewa fela ka gore gatwe Motion wa Palamente fa o setse o le fa ke palamente.

Ke ne ke bona e le go rubelela fela.

Tota when somebody’s emotions are being raped, he has the right to withdraw the Motion.

So, I support the withdrawal Mr Speaker.


MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, let us do this, so far, those Honourable Members who have taken the floor are in support of the Motion.

Now, I want only those who are holding a contrary view, otherwise, we might as well proceed.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke teng Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Kekgonegile and Honourable Kgafela are opposed to.

MR KEKGONEGILE (MAUN EAST): Tanki Mr Speaker.


Mr Speaker, kana re tshwanelwa ke gore re tseye mabaka a re neng re a beiwa pele a withdrawal of the Motion re bone gore a mme a ke a a reasonable enough.

Re lebe gape le gore tota Motion la ntlha ntlha o ne o ikaela go fitlhelela (achieve) eng le gore la bobedi o ne o ikaelela go fitlhelela eng.

Fa o busetswa morago (withdrawal), a ga o na go boa gape o tla ka the same maikaelelo a Motion o?
Honourable Motaosane a re o busetsa Motion kwa morago ka gore 14 days Palamente e tlaabo e tswetswe.

Honourable Motaosane o tsentse Motion a ntse a itse in 14 days Palamente e tlaabo e tswetswe and therefore, moo ga se lebaka la gore he withdraws, o ne a sa bona dates sentle.

O ne a di bone, o ne a itse.


His intentions were very clear like Honourable Tshabang has said but ka fa Palamente e e 11 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE kgokgontshiwang (abused) ka teng ke the Executive or Cabinet, ga gona go re isa gope go fitlhela re bua dilo tse; mona lentle a nna le la gagwe.
Go fitlhela Cabinet e bona gore Palamente is independent from Executive, that is the only way e e ka reng Palamente ya rona e ka kgona to function.

Ke dumela gore a Motion o o buiwe ka gore go tlaa boiwa gape go tliwa ka the very same Motion ka tsela e sele.
A re o buileng ruri re fetseng kgang e. Fa e le gore Cabinet is taking over the runnings of checks and balances, of oversight committees in lefatshe la Botswana, go nne clear go nne jalo, the international community e itse gore rona kwano ga re na oversight committees, se re nang naso ke extension of Cabinet committees.

Ga ke dumalane le gore Motion o should be withdrawn Mr Speaker.

MR REATILE: On a point of clarification.


Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re Honourable Kekgonegile fa a santse a le gone fa a re tlhalosetse gore fa re tswelela ka Motion o ke mang yo o tlaa tlang to respond mo go one?

Ka gore Honourable Motaosane ga re ka ke ra mo pateletsa, ga o ka ke wa mo supa ka tlhobolo gore Motion o a buiwa, and fa a re ke dule ga ke na Motion fa pele ga floor of this House, o tlaabo o seyo.

Jaanong ke mang yo o tlaa tlang to respond mo go one motlotlegi?
MR KEKGONEGILE: Tanki Honourable Reatile.

E rile re le kwa Boipuso Hall Honourable Boko a tlile ka Motion wa Gender Based Violence (GBV), o neng Palamente ya o tsaya mo go ene, he changed it, e rile fa a re I withdraw it, Palamente e ne ya gana ya re, nnyaa you cannot withdraw, re setse re o tsere mo go wena, ga e sa tlhole e le wa gago.

Mme Honourable Boko o ne a patelesega go tla to summarise that particular Motion at that particular time.

Honourable Motaosane will summarise, a precedent has been set.
MR MOTAOSANE: Correction Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker can I put the record straight for Honourable Kekgonegile?

MR SPEAKER: Yes, let us hear the correction.

MR MOTAOSANE: I want to correct him Mr Speaker, he is not telling the truth.

Can I Mr Speaker?

MR SPEAKER: Yes I said let us hear the correction.

MR MOTAOSANE: Thank you sir.

Mr Speaker, ga go boammaaruri gore Honourable Boko o ne a batla to withdraw Motion.
What Honourable Boko did was, he debated and let the Motion to be debated to the end, after the end, after summarising, e bo e le gone a reng, he is withdrawing the Motion, which is not procedural.

I personally talked with Honourable Boko during the process of amendment of the Motion, I requested him to withdraw the Motion, so that we can go and rephrase the Motion.
He refused and let the Motion to debated until the end, and when he responded that is when he requested to withdraw the Motion at that point, which is unprocedural.

So these two are not the same, ga go a nna jaaka Honourable Kekgonegile a bua, it is not true.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: I can speak for myself.

MR MOTAOSANE: Yah you can speak for yourself.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker, I can speak.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: On a point of procedure Mr Speaker.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Let us vote, re tswelele ka tse dingwe.

MR SPEAKER: Ga ke itse gore ke procedures tsa eng.

I said Honourable Kgafela, because I wanted only those who are not supporting the withdrawal.

Honourable Kgafela?

MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR KGAFELA): Mr Speaker, ke utlule Motlotlegi Rre Motaosane, mme his reasons are fundamentally flawed ka gore when he brought the Motion initially I understood it to serve one purpose.
I see gore the body of the initial Motion is containing so much which should not be there.

The operative part of the Motion as I understood it ke gore, we have two committees, whose job is to review the Standing Orders.

He was frustrated that those committees are not doing their work and he wants that work to be taken away from them and be given to the whole assembly for the assembly to do.
These committees; one, is the Advisory Committee which is under Standing Order 102, the other one is the committee under 107 of the Standing Orders.

He is frustrated by these two, so he wants the work to be taken away from them.

That is all that he is asking for.

Now I did hear yesterday gotwe Standing Order 98 will stand in our way, I do not understand how it would do so because Rre Motaosane wants parts of 102 and parts of 107 to be tinkered with.
The 102 establishes the Advisory Committee, 102(1) paragraph one, establishes that committee.

He is not saying the committee must cease to exist, he says 102 paragraph 2, the one which 12 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE gives it work to do I want to tinker away with that.

Then 107, paragraph one establishes that committee.

Rre Motaosane is saying, I am not touching that one, all I want is that paragraph two of 107.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Re bua ka withdrawal comrade.

MR KGAFELA: The one which gives it work to do he wants to tinker with.

If he succeeds with that, then re le Palamente we sit, and then we ourselves, not the committees, review the Standing Orders.

It is upon us to review even paragraph one which establishes the committee; paragraph one of 102 and paragraph one of 107 which established these committees.

It is upon us as assembly as a whole to determine whether we are going to now amend that also.
So the fact that he included in his Motion other things tse ke tsayang fela gore ke dishabo, they ought not to have been there, tsa gore 14 says o rile o rile.

That I said yesterday that we will be jumping the gun, it is for the assembly and not for this Motion itself, for the assembly, once we have agreed gore the assembly is now going to take control of the Standing Orders.
It is for us now to determine whether 14 days re a boela or dishabo tse dingwe tse ke bonang a di tsentse mo teng tse gore a di a diragadiwa kana ga di diragadiwe.

That is the fundamental flaw.

Mr Speaker, if he insists we will grant him his request, not because it is sound, but for the mere asking for it, but I can tell you that as Kekgonegile is saying it will recur.

The problem is going to recur, it is likely to come back.
If what has caused him in the first place to bring this Motion has not been cured, it is going to come back.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Kgabo.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Motion wa ga Morwaeng le Mthimkhulu o sule.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: It is still alive.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, ga le a reetsa.

The Motion will be withdrawn only when the fiats of this House is given, not before.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: You are giving it life Mr Speaker.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: A re tlhopheng.

MR SPEAKER: So I put the question.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Yes, Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: The question is that the Motion be withdrawn with the leave of the House.

The question is that the House withdraws the Motion.

Question put and agreed to.

MR SPEAKER: The Motion, Honourable Motaosane is withdrawn with leave of the Parliament, in leave of the House.

Motion-Withdrawn.
Motion-Withdrawn.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… ADOPTION OF THE NATIONAL QUALITY POLICY FOR BOTSWANA (NQP), 2021 Motion (Resumed Debate) MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Honourable Members, when the House adjourned yesterday, Honourable Minister of Trade and Industry was on the floor and he is left with 10 minutes, 50 seconds.

MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR KGAFELA): Ke a leboga.

Ke ne ke santse ke tlhalosa gore policy e is supported by molao gore e tle e nonofe, e diragadiwe.
Motlotlegi Ramogapi o ne a tlhalosa gore kana go na le dilo dingwe tse bajibareki ba di neelwang mme di le botlhabetsi mo mebeleng ya batho, kgotsa e le dijo jalo le jalo.

Dilo tse gotweng ke Genetically Modified Foods (GMF), mme go sena sekao sa gore a mebele ya rona e babalesegile gore re di tseye kgotsa re se ka ra di tsaya.

Kana molao o ke neng ke ntse ke bua ka one wa Consumer Protection Act, fa o lebelela Section 10 (b), e bua ka characteristics tsa se moreki a se rekisang.
Fa gotwe characteristics go tewa o tlhalosa tsotlhe tse di tlang ka monate le borai.

Ke tsaya gore o tlaabo o fapogile o le morekisi gore tse o di neelang batho di le botlhabetsi on their health, o bo o sa di tlhalose.

O tshwanetse go tlhalosa dilo tseo.

Lefoko le la characteristics is sufficiently wide to cover dilo tsa mofuta o o ntseng jalo fa go buiwa ka quality.
Molao o mongwe o ke itseng gore o sireletsa policy e ke the Standards Act, Section 10 ya teng e bua sentle gore fa go beilwe a standard, o tshwanetse gore fa o gweba 13 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022ADOPTION OF THE NATIONAL QUALITY POLICY FOR BOTSWANA (NQP), 2021Motion (Resumed Debate) ka sengwe se se akaretswang ke that standard, it should meet it.

Ga o ka ke wa gweba ka sone e le gore now se ka fa tlase ga standard seo.
Ke ne ke re ke e papamatse gore go sireletsegile tlhe batlotlegi, le se ka la re ke policy e tshwanang le policies tse dingwe, ga e na meno, ga e lome.

Go builwe thata gore le rona re tshwanetse go nna le maiteko a gore we must monitor this policy.

Ke tlhalose gore re na le a monitoring framework under technical regulations framework mo policy under Clause 9.2 fela e yotlhe.

E bua gore re tlile go ema ka dinao to monitor and inspect gore quality e a diragadiwa.
Ke tiro e re ka bong re e romile kwa Botswana Bureau of Standards (BOBS), Department ya Regulatory Compliance.

Selo se se tlama gore go tshwaraganwe diatla le Botswana Unified Revenue Service (BURS), e re fa dilo di tsena ka molelwane, di bo di tlholwa gore they are complaint, ga mmogo le ka thuso ya ba sepodise.
Re lefatshe la Southern African Development Community (SADC) batlotlegi, ka se sebaka re ikaegile ka Southern African Development Community Accreditation Services (SADCAS), ke yone e SADC e e dirisang for accreditation body.

Ke tlhalose gore mo nakong e e tlang jaaka batlotlegi ba rotloetsa, re tlaa develop our own accreditation body mme kana ke dilo tse di tlang ka tiriso ya madi.

Fa ledi la rona le re letla gore re dire jalo, re tlaa dira jalo.
le se gotweng African Organisation for Re na Standardisation (AOS), e e sa leng e tlhangwa ka 1977.

Re le Botswana re ne ra join lekalana le ka 2014 mme e bile re tshwere bo Vice President jwa teng through BOBS.

Ka one mafoko a a kalo, ke lebogela kemo nokeng ya lona.

Ke tsaya gore tse gongwe di neng di le bakela lesokolela, re di arabile.
Ke na le tumelo e ntsi gore fa re tsenya policy e mo tirisong, go tlaa ruta le ba bangwe Rre Ramogapi gore le ka se ka la tlhola le bona didirisiwa tsa dikago jaanong e le tsa seelo se se kwa tlase.

Re tshwanetse go lemoga gore we are a developing country.

Le fa ntswa melao e le teng, go thata gore mo go se sebaka when it comes to quality, re ka enforce to the latter jaaka ke tlhalositse gore ba le bantsi ba ka tsena mo kgolegelong kgotsa ba lefisiwa madi.
Se re ka re dirang ke gore although it is open to prosecutors in exercise of their discretion to prosecute, re name re iketlile re prosecute fela fa go tlhokafalang teng ka gore as a developing country, re tshwanetse go rotloetsa batho ba rona until ba tsena mo level e jaanong re demand strict compliance with quality.
Ga ke na pelaelo epe 14 bagaetsho gore re tlaa simolola re bona quality ya dilo tsa rona e oketsega; maungo a rona, tse re di lemang re di neela Batswana, e bo e le tsa quality e e kwa godimo.

Ka mafoko a a kana Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo… OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MS MONNAKGOTLA): Clarification.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke leboge Tona go mpha gore ke mmotse.
Tona, a mme policy e ga e tle go baya bagwebi, bogolo jang ba babotlana ka fa mosing, ba re itseng gore fa go tla mo go tsa madi go kgona go dira quality things, go dingalo mo go bone?

Itse gore kana bagwebi ba bangwe ba na le advantage, ba nka se keng ka ba bua fa.

A mme gone bogolo jang Motswana wa mogwebi yo monnyennyane, ga go tle go mmaya ka fa mosing?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR KGAFELA: O setse a ntse a le ka fa mosing.

Fa o lebelela Consumer Protection Act, o setse a le ka fa mosing.
Ga a ka ke a bewa ka fa mosing ke this policy, o beilwe ka fa mosing ke molao o o saleng o fetisiwa ke Palamente wa Consumer Protection Act.

Fela jaaka ke tlhalosa, re tshwanetse ra nama re iketlile ka prosecution, we are a developing nation.

Ga re ka ke ra itshwantshanya le mafatshe a mangwe a e leng gore they are advanced in development.

Bangwe ba ba rekisang dithoto ba tshwanetse go pepetlediwa to come to speed le qualities which are expected of a consumer.
Jaaka ke tlhalositse ke re consumer go tewa re dira comparison with consumer and the international arena, e seng a consumer yo o tlwaetseng quality e e kwa tlase.

We cannot be too trigger happy to prosecute, that is why ke re ke a itse gore prosecution is discretional, prosecutors decide gore a ba prosecute kana ba se ka.

I think it will exercise proper discretion gore ba lebile the level of development, e bo ba nama ba iketlile.
It does not mean gore o bo o tswelela pele o tsuolola this Consumer Protection Act jaaka ke ne ke e tlhalositse maloba gore e batla o provide service ya mofuta ofe.

Provision of this service batlotlegi e tlile go re thusa gore le rona re tsene mo level ya gore re nne competitive.

E re fa re simolola go gweba ka fa tlase ga African Continental Free Trade Area (AfCFTA) agreement, e bo re le competitive.

Jaanong re tshwanetse ra tsenya dikole, ra rotloetsa gore go nne jalo.
Karabo ya me e khutshwane ke gore ba setse ba ntse ba le ka fa mosing.

Ka mafoko a a kalo, ke sutise Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke kope batlotlegi gore ba nkatle ka kopo e ya gore The National Quality Policy e ke e lerileng fa pele ga bone, ba e amogele, re e tsenye mo tirisong.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022ADOPTION OF THE NATIONAL QUALITY POLICY FOR BOTSWANA (NQP), 2021Motion (Resumed Debate) Question put and agreed to.
ADOPTION OF THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE REPORTS FOR THE FINANCIAL YEARS 2018/2019 AND 2017-2019 PERFORMANCE AUDIT REPORTS CHAIRPERSON OF THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE (MR KEORAPETSE): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, the report has been circulated.

It has been months since members received the copies of the report.

The Public Accounts Committee (PAC) held its 50th Meeting from the 7th June to the 5th July 2021.
Probably, one of the longest meetings of the PAC because we also embarked on examination of performance audits reports.

We had to examine the accounts of the Government for the financial year ended 31 March 2019, and on the 26th July to 4th August, to examine the performance audit reports submitted by the Auditor General as required by Standing Order 105.3 of the National Assembly of the Republic of Botswana.
The accounts examined Mr Speaker, included, the Annual Statements of Accounts (ASA) and the accounts of special funds.

In addition, Accounting Officers were examined on the progress made on issues raised in the PAC work in progress report on the 57th Meeting, and general governance issues emanating from the operations of their ministries.

The findings and recommendations on performance audits arise from the consideration of the Auditor General’s Performance Audit Reports.
Mr Speaker, the Committee strongly encourages Accounting Officers to implement the recommendations made to improve financial management and operational performance in Government.

As required by Standing Order 105 and 4, I have the honour to submit our report on the examination of the accounts of Government for the financial year ended 31st March 2019 and the performance audit reports submitted by the Auditor General.
Just to summarise some of the findings and recommendation, I beg not to be long on this one because I have said the members have the report.

Mr Speaker, one of our key findings was that, we have encountered that the problem of construction projects cost and time overruns, continue to be prevalent in most of the Government projects.
The common problems in execution of projects identified by the Committee, were poor project management by ministries, lack of commitment to perform by mainly local contractors, failure to take action against non-performing contractors, litigation, especially those that query the evaluation processes of tenders, poor preparation and planning pre tender, and change in scope by client ministries.

The Committee recommended that the oversight of the planning and delivery of projects be improved.
As I was saying, I am just summarizing the key highlights of the report.

One of the issues that we also identified Mr Speaker, is the irrecoverable and slow moving debts.

There was a rise in the number of irrecoverable and slow moving debts mainly due to lack of monitoring and failure to carry out regular reconciliations.

The debts include items that date back more than 20 years.
Example being a non-moving advances which include the grant loan scheme in the Ministry of Tertiary Education, Research, Sciences and Technology, and the balances of overpayment of salaries, and training bond liabilities under the Ministry of Education and the Ministry of Health.

We have recommended as a Committee that the ministries identified, should manage and monitor these accounts to improve collectability of these debts.
One of the recommendations was obviously the engagement of private debt collectors, where it was emphasized the cost make sense because sometimes Government will engage private collectors and you will find that such engagement prove to be prohibitively exorbitant.

We have also recommended that action should be taken against officers who fail to take prompt action to recover Government monies.

losses that occur The other issue Mr Speaker, is the accidents to Government vehicles.
The to Government through accidents continue to be high.

This is not assisted by the fact that recoveries through surcharges from drivers mainly is minimal relative to the cost of repairs.

This is compounded by the fact that the Government does not ensure its fleet resulting in minimal financial protection of the Government fleet in case of accidents.
The minimal recovery from the drivers is exacerbated by the long time it takes to finalise cases resulting in cases prescribing or drivers being charged when they have retired.

We have recommended that Government should consider ensuring its fleet, and the case determination process should be improved to ensure cases are processed within a reasonable time.

Sometimes it takes many years, and within that period as I have indicated, the matter would have prescribed.
15 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022ADOPTION OF THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE REPORTS FOR THE FINANCIAL YEARS 2018/2019 AND 2017-2019 PERFORMANCE AUDIT REPORTS The other issue Mr Speaker, is the short delivery of orders from the Central Medical Stores (CMS).

The Government medical facilities continue to experience drug shortage which puts the lives of patients at risk due to the non-availability of essential supplies.
An audit of the District Health Management Team (DHMT) in Lobatse for instance, indicated that the CMS was unable to cater for the required quantities of medical supplies with an order fulfilment of about 35 per cent.

We recommend that Ministry of Health should identify and prioritise measures that need to be taken to ensure that there is adequate supply of essential medicines which are needed in the public health system.
On general governance issues, this is a fundamental departure from previous PAC that we sought to also report on general governance issues because of the problems that emanate from general governance issues which sometimes are overlooked.

The independence and security of tenure of the oversight institutions we identified that there is a need to work on the independence of the Directorate of Corruption and Economic Crime (DCEC) and Independent Electoral Commission (IEC).
We looked at the appointment of the Justices of the Court of Appeal that we need to enhance the transparency there.

We recommended that oversight institutions, we need to secure the tenure of the heads of these institutions.

That is just by the way of summarizing the general governance issues.

However, the general governance issues are captured well in our report, especially from pages 17 to 25.
The ministries that we looked at on the general governance issues include; Basic Education, Presidential Affairs, Department of Public Service Management (DPSM), DCEC, IEC, Administration of Justice (AoJ), Attorney General and Ministry of Agriculture Development and Food Security.

Mr Speaker, we also looked at the performance reports, and I do not wish to dwell much on the performance audit reports.

However, we deliberated on seven performance audit reports.
These performance audit reports Mr Speaker, as I have indicated, they are captured in our report from pages 26 until page 30.

They included the Ministry of Finance and Economic Development, the Ministry of Environment, Natural Resources, Conservation and Tourism, the Ministry of Health and Wellness, the Ministry of Youth particularly looking at the Youth Development Fund (YDF).
Mr Speaker, I wish to take this opportunity to most profusely render my sincere gratitude to you Right Honourable Speaker for your cooperation, for availing everything that we needed for the PAC to do its work.

We also thank the Accounting Officers, notwithstanding the challenges that we encountered sometimes, the Accounting Officers would be on lockdown but they would try to engage with us virtually.

We managed to do our work.


Let me also most profusely thank our three Attorney Generals (AGs); the Attorney General of the Republic of Botswana with their seconded officer in the Parliamentary Counsel.

They have rendered legal advice throughout.

Let me thank the Auditor General of the Republic of Botswana and the Accountant General because ba re thata ka bone.

They are our team of technical experts who advise the PAC.
Mr Speaker, let me also thank the members of this committee because had it not been them, we would not be having the PAC in the first place.

Remember that the PAC normally sits when Parliament is adjourned.
When Parliament is on recess, most members would be touring their constituencies, and members of the PAC have taken this time to come and do the Parliament work at a very high risk of sometimes being labelled by some in their constituencies or elsewhere to say that they are missing in constituency activities.

I wish to thank them for their sacrifice.

The staff of Parliament, the Clerk of the National Assembly also helps us a great deal.
I wish to also thank the staff, particularly the Secretaries of the PAC and everybody else Mr Speaker who has made our work what it is.

Fa go na le ba ke sa ba amang, e tlaabo e se ka lepe fela.

Tota ke leboga botlhe fela ba ba kgonneng go re thusa.

Having said that Mr Speaker, I move that this Honourable House adopts the PAC Report for the financial years 2018/2019 and 2017-2019 Performance Audits Reports.

I thank you Mr Speaker, I move accordingly.


MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Keorapetse, Chairperson.

The floor is open for debate.

MR REATILE (JWANENG-MABUTSANE): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke leboge le Modulasetilo wa PAC.

Go se ka ga nna jaaka e kete o ikwaletse report a le kwa lelwapeng, a bo a e tlisa fa pele ga Ntlo ya gago Mr Speaker.

Go supafale gore go boammaaruri ke leloko la komiti ya gagwe, mme dikgang tsa performance audit re di dirile.
Re kanokile ka fa ba Auditor General ba tswang go tlhotlhomisa, ba bona dikgang tse ba dumelang gore ke dingwe tse di tshwanetseng di elwe 16 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022ADOPTION OF THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE REPORTS FOR THE FINANCIAL YEARS 2018/2019 AND 2017-2019 PERFORMANCE AUDIT REPORTS tlhoko, di bewe leitlho, di baakanngwe.
Le ba ministries ka go farologana, ba ba amegang ba ne ba ntse ba supa gore ba semeletse, ba leka go busetsa dilo mo seporong ka fa leitlho la ga Auditor General a di boneng ka teng.

Re dumela gore go tsweng fa go ya pele, leitlho la ga Auditor General ka fa le boneng dilo ka teng, ba tlaabo ba setse ba di buseditse mo tseleng, ka gore go ne go sena gope fa go nang le manganga a mantsi teng.

Gantsi Auditor General, o a bo a supa gore fa le sa thibe fa, go ka nna le tshenyo e ntsi.
Ke tsone dilo tse fa re biditse Accounting Officers, re a bo re leka go kaelana dikgang tse di ntseng jalo ka gore Auditor General nako e nngwe o dira performance audit, go bo go raya gore Accounting Officers ba bangwe, ba tsaya performance audit e ntse jalo, ba bo ba e latlhela kwa, ba bo ba ka se ke ba e tlhokomele kana ba e tsibogele.
Ke sone se jaanong go patelesega gore time and again, PAC e nne e netefatsa gore performance audits, special audits e di ela tlhoko, e bitsa Accounting Officers ba ba amegang, go netefatsa gore leitlho le la ga Auditor General ka fa a boneng dilo ka teng, ba sosoetse ba ba maleba gore go tsweng fa go ya pele, ba leke go bona gore ba ela dilo tlhoko tse di ntseng jalo, ba di baakanye go ya pele.
Kgang e nngwe Mr Speaker, ke dumela gore yone ga e yo mo report but ke maitemogelo fela ka gore performance audit report fa e dirwa concurrently le PAC ya ngwaga le ngwaga, ga go nyalane.

O fitlhela nako e nngwe performance audits di le pedi mo ministry.
Ke gakologelwa gore ya Ministry of Health e ne ya re fa e tsena, ra felela e le gore financial year ya ngwaga o go ne go le bokete mo go rona, mo e ne ya re kgantele jaanong go bo go nna e kete fa re tshwanetse go tsena mo go ya performance audit, o kare re a latlhelela.
Gongwe se e neng e le gore tota se ka bo se diragala ke gore go ne go tshwanetse go supafala gore mo nakong e e tlang, gongwe Modulasetilo a ye go nna fa fatshe le wena, a bo a ka go baya reports pele tse e tlaabong e le tsa performance audit le special audit.
A bo a ka re, tse ke di kopela nako e e kana ka gore ga di kgone gore di patagane le examination ya rona ya PAC ya nako le nako, ka gore go nna jaaka e kete jaanong ga re direle Auditor General sentle ka dikgang tse a di boneng mo ministry wa ga Honourable Keorapetse, e le tse e leng gore ga di tsamaye sentle.

Jaanong fa komiti e tla go kopana, a bo e le gore e boa e shankodisa fela, ga a ka ke ya re ene e le Auditor General, a bo a re kana le palelwa ke go dira tiro ya lona le le PAC.
Jaanong mme ka gore jaanong e bile Motion wa ga Honourable Motaosane o tlile ka nako, go raya gore jaanong Chairman, o itse gore kamoso re tlaabo re tlisa Motion o o tlaabong re tshwanetse re go kobe mo tirong ka gore o tlaabo o paletswe ke go dira tiro, performance audits di le teng, o sa netefatsa gore o di dira ka matsetseleko a a neng a solofetswe.
Mo e kareng kamoso fa o tlisa report ya teng mo Palamenteng, le batlotlegi Matona ba bona tota gore golo fa bothata bo teng ka gore o tlaabo o lekile gore o senole sengwe le sengwe, wa se ropamisa, wa se baya mo mpaananeng.

Mo e kareng kamoso jaanong ga dira gore mme tharabololo ke e e ntseng jang.
Ke dumela gore fa e ntse jaana Honourable Chairman, fa re ntse re tswelela, netefatsa gore gongwe o tseye tshwetso ya gore le dumalane le Auditor General, a go bolelele gore mme reports tsa performance audit mo ngwageng di ka nna kae, o bo o kgona go itse gore jaanong o plan le Speaker o reng.

O itse gore a o tlaa nna le sittings tse pedi mo ngwageng.
Le tsone jaaka ke bua fela, ke dilo tse go batlang sittings tse di tseneletseng ka gore nako e nngwe Auditor General, le fa ba Southern Africa Development Community of Public Accounts Committees (SADCOPAC) ba sa dumele gore re ka ne re ntse re kopa Auditor General gore a ye go dira performance audit kwa project nngwe, go tshwanetse gore go tswe mo go ene, ka bo ene ka gore ga ba a tshwanelwa go laelwa ke ope e le ofisi e e ikemetseng ya ga Auditor General.
Fela jalo, le Palamente ga e na tshwanelo ya gore e ka ba laela gore project ya gore, ya gore go na le dikgang tse re di utlwang, tsamayang le ye go e tlhoma leitlho, le bone gore le ka tswa ka eng mo teng.

Jaanong a tiro ya rona o netefatse o le Modulasetilo gore ga re latlhelele reports tse di ka tlang fa pele ga Ntlo e, re a bo re di dupile ka matsetseleko a a tseneletseng, ra bona tota gore sa tshwene sone se itharile fa kae.
E tle e re jaanong fa reports di tla fa, a bo e le gore bontsi jwa batlotlegi jaanong ba tlhalogantse, le ba ba neng ba seyo mo komiting fa ba bala report e ba bula matlho mo go feteletseng, ka dikgang tse di a bong di diragetse kwa maphateng a Matona ba ka tswang ba fetile kwa go one.

Se ke neng ke batla gore re tle re se ele tlhoko Mr Speaker, ke kgang ya gore performance audits tse dingwe kana projects tse dingwe, di ne tsa dirwa tsa ba tsa sala mo nageng, tsa ba tsa swela ruri.
Ka mabaka a gore e ne e le gore ke projects tse di neng di dirwa ke Local Authorities, ke dikhansele koo.

Fa ba ya go dira performance audit mo nnenyane tse di ntseng jalo, go tsweng foo potso e nna gore, jaanong re ya go tsena fa kae ka gore ba na le Local Authorities Public Accounts Committee (LAPAC).
Jaanong LAPAC ga ke 17 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022ADOPTION OF THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE REPORTS FOR THE FINANCIAL YEARS 2018/2019 AND 2017-2019 PERFORMANCE AUDIT REPORTS itse strength sa yone mo go netefatseng gore e unyolole dilo tse e di beye mo mpaananeng, mo e kareng kamoso a bo e le gore re thiba leakages tsotlhe tse di ntseng jalo.
Batho ba ba agileng LAPAC, ke batsadi ba ba bereketseng lefatshe, ba ba setseng ba ipereka koo, ba ba mo dikgwebong tsa bone, ba bangwe ba kwa gae ba iketlile.
Jaanong, gongwe kodu ya bone e ka tswa e sa lekane le ya ga Honourable Dithapelo Keorapetse mo go sekasekeng reports tsa mofuta o go netefatsa gore tshenyo ya projects tsa mofuta o, e se ka ya nna bo monama-o-ya, re bone gore jaanong go tsenngwa stop cock jaaka batho ba metsi ba etle ba bue, re bo re emisa metsi gore a se ka a tshologa fa a neng a tswa teng, dilo di bo di gatela pele.
Se sengwe se ke neng ke batla gore Honourable Keorapetse a bone gore o se hupelana le ba ga bone, ke dikgang tse Performance Audits nako le nako e nnang tsa ministries.

Kwa parastatals Honourable Never Tshabang, netefatsa gore ka madi a mantsintsi a felela koo, le wena e tle e re fa go tsenwa koo, kopa gore o bone gore ba Auditor General ba tlhoma leng batho go dira Performance Audits mo parastatals dingwe tse di amegang.
Nako le nako fa o tla go lebelela the financial year, ga go tshwane le fa go ne go dirilwe Performance Audit kana Special Audit, ka gore se tsenela kwa teng se ntsha sengwe le sengwe, ga ba bue ka figures tsa bo one plus one equals to two thebe.

Ba tsenelela kwa goreng this tender was not floated properly, e ne ya re le nako ya fa e bulwa, go lebega tse di latelang di ne tsa se ka tsa tlhokomelwa.

Ke gone kwa madi a mantsintsi a felelang teng, and parastatals tsa rona bontsi ga di dire sentle.
Fa re ka baya leitlho thata mo ministries, ra se ka ra netefatsa gore madi a ministry o a tsereng o bo o a fetisetsa kwa parastatals re a baya leitlho re a latedisa go bona gore a mme a tswa go dirisiwa ka fa go tshwanetseng, ka gore nako go nna le dilelo tse di feteletseng, fa pele ga komiti ya gago Honourable Keorapetse go tlaabo gotwe madi a e ne e le subvention a fetile.
Potso ke gore, subvention e, a Auditor General o netefaditse gore a latele kwa e neng e ya teng, a ye go bona gore Performance Audit e felela e unyolola eng mo diemong tse di ntseng jalo.

A e nne kgang e e kareng kamoso re le Palamente e e fa e, re bo re felela re dumela tota gore re eme ka dinao, re semeletse, thebe mongwe le mongwe o Motswana a mo kgethileng re bona fa a tsenang teng gore ke fa go tshwanetseng teng.
Re se ka ra akanyetsa fela gore sengwe le sengwe se siame, ka gore financial reports ka fa di ntseng ka teng, ga di ntshe dikgang ka bophara jaaka Performance Audits and Special Audits.

Ka mabaka a Mr Speaker, ke dumela gore ba dikomiti tse di maleba ba a utlwa, ka gore kgang e fa ba sa dire tiro sentle ba sa e emele ka dinao, leina le le tlaabong le senyega kamoso ke la ga Honourable Speaker gore Palamente ya gago e a palelwa.
A ba netefatse gore ba eme ka dinao ba tshegetse serodumo sa gago jaaka o bereketse lefatshe le ka dingwaga tsa gago.

E se ka ya re gompieno fa re setseng re tswa go go tsaya o santse o lebeletse dinamane tsa gago teng Mr Speaker, go bo go supagala gore o kare re go tseetse go tla go sotla ka wena re le Mapalamente a lefatshe la Botswana e le gore Honourable Keorapetse jaanong ga a dire tiro ya gagwe, go tla kgang ya tenders fela mo go ene.
A siana kwa a ntse a re o na le consultancy kwa Germany le America, ba netefatse gore tiro ya gago e tla pele over ditiro tsa bone.

Ka go rialo Mr Speaker, ke a leboga.

MR TSHERE (MAHALAPYE WEST): Thank you very much Honourable Speaker.

Ke emelela gore ke amogele kana ke kopele Palamente e gore re amogele report e ya Public Accounts Committee (PAC).

Pele ke lebelele Motion jaaka o balega, ga ke itse gore a ba o kwadile sentle, Honourable Keorapetse o tlaa tlhalosa fa a setse a araba.
Gongwe fa ke ka o bala fa Mr Speaker, go tlaa fa bokao sentle, if I could.

MR SPEAKER: Yes please.

MR TSHERE: “That this Honourable House resolves that the Public Accounts Committee Reports for the financial years 2018/2019 and 2017/2019.” I do not know whether that was supposed to be 2017/2018 or it is... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Can I clarify?

MR TSHERE: Yes thank you.

MR SPEAKER: Yes, Honourable Keorapetse.

MR KEORAPETSE: Thank you Mr Speaker.


Mr Speaker, ke tlhalose gore the PAC report le fa o e lebelela mo cover page ya yone, ke ya the 58th meeting, o o neng o lebeletse accounts tsa 2018 to 2019.

Jaanong fa o lebelela Performance Audit Reports tse di mmalwa tse re neng re di sekaseka, di palonyana jaaka ke ne ke di bua, di simolola fela ka 2017 go ya go ema ka 2019, so, go kwalegile sentle.
O bua ka reports tse; the main one ya accounts 2018/2019, go bo go nna le various Performance Audit Reports which date back from 2017 go tla go ema ka 2019.

Ke a leboga, ke tsaya gore gongwe e tlhalosegile.

18 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022ADOPTION OF THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE REPORTS FOR THE FINANCIAL YEARS 2018/2019 AND 2017-2019 PERFORMANCE AUDIT REPORTS MR TSHERE: Thank you very much Chairman wa PAC.
In anyway Mr Speaker, ke amogela report e jaaka ke ne ke bua, ka gore dilo tse e di ntshang jaaka cost overruns, poor project management, a slow moving debt, more especially tsa bonds tse a buang ka tsone gore fa gongwe le students ba ba isitsweng kwa sekoleng abroad fa gongwe ga ba boe, and then madi which they are sponsored ka one, ga gona tsela ya gore can be recovered.
Se e ntse e le bothata, mme ke ne ke tsaya gore re tshwanetse go itebaganya le gore tota go ka dirwa eng, gore go itebaganngwe le gore madi a kgone go bonala.

Mo Botswana go botoka re ka a goga from payslips, gongwe re simolole go ikatumetsa through the embassies re kgone go bona gore the companies tse di hirileng Batswana ba, di a itsisiwe gore go nne le mangwe madi that can be recovered.
meetings tsa teng, and then go bo go sa re sepe fela e bo e nna o kare it is life as usual, Auditor General ga a bue le fa e le sepe, whatever se a se buang is inconsequential, ga gona le fa e le ope yo o tseelwang kgato, e nna life as usual.

Golo mo ke gone mo go re tshwenyang thata re le kwa dikomiting.
Ga ke gakgamale, ka gore fa o utlwa gotwe re ntshiwe kwa dikomiting jaana, go tewa gotwe tsone dilo tse re se ka ra nna re di bona, ra di leletsa phala, ka gore ke dilo tse re tshwanetseng re le mapolotiki re le mo opposition le backbench, ke thulaganyo e re tshwanetseng re e dire.
Re tshwanetse re bone gore Executive is held accountable, fa madi a dirisiwa, mme go sena le fa e le sepe, Auditor General a bo a tla a tlhalosa gore kana madi a dirisitswe botlhaswa, le rona re bo re le so defenseless, ke kgang e e diphatsa thata.

Jaanong tsa dikotsi tsa dikoloi le shortage of drugs, ke dumalana le bone, ka gore go le gantsi, ke nna mo komiting ya Information Communication Technology (ICT) e re kopanang gantsi le ba Auditor General.
Se ke ka se go bolelelang Honourable Speaker ke gore, Auditor General e dira tiro ka bokgabane e bo e tla e bega mo go rona, mme sebe sa phiri ke gore ga go lebege re le Palamente le kwa komiting e, go na le sengwe se re ka se dirang fela se se kalo.

Jaaka maloba jaana, Auditor General o ne a ntshitse pego a supa gore ka nako ya COVID-19 dithulaganyo ga di a diriwa sentle, e bile go nnile le tshameko ka madi a Puso, ga a a dirisiwa sentle.
Ke gakologelwa Honourable Vice President (VP) a bua mo Palamenteng referring to that matter, o ne a re “ah!

Auditor General ee o kwadile hee!

re tlaa bona.” Ke gore ga se sepe fela mo the ruling party and the Executive gore Auditor General o bua jang.

Mo go lebegang le bone go ba kgoba marapo, ka gore e nna o kare tiro ya bone e felela mo lefaufaung fela.
Se se a tshwenya Mr Speaker, ke eletsa gore go ka dirwa sengwe re nonotshe gore Auditor’s report fa e tlile e ntse jaana, e tsewe ka tshisibalo e tona.

Gongwe e bile Palamente fa e ntse jaana e buisana reports tse di tswang kwa go Auditor General, e kgone go nna le dithata tsa gore e dire a Parliamentary enquiry.

Re nne le dithata tsa go dira jalo, re e nonotshe, e re fa e tswa kwa jaanong gongwe e bile e le a Judicial enquiry, re kgone go bona e re fa go tswa go kgone go felela kwa makgotlatshekelong.
Fa e le gore Auditor General o ya go dira jaana, a bo a re supegetsa ka fa madi a ga Goromente a tshamekisitsweng ka teng, jaaka a re bontshitse mo makgethong a le mantsi a ke ntseng mo Ke tshwenngwa ke gore o bo o bona Executive e tla ka mogopolo wa gore dikomiti tse e di tseye.

Tota dilo tse tsotlhe ba batla gore e nne sephiri, phitlhela kgomo ya serotswana jaaka o bona backbench e didimetse, e didimaditswe completely, tu!

tu!

Silent mo Palamenteng.


Fa go bua go bua ba le babedi fela, go bua Executive fela mo Palamenteng.

So at the end of the day, o tlile go fitlhela e le gore Palamente, Executive le Judiciary tota ke selo se le sengwefela, se ...(Interruption)… ka fa tlase ga the Office of the President (OP).

LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Procedure.

Mr Speaker, this is a very straight forward subject.

We all understand what we are talking about.


The procedures of this House is that, we must focus and deal with the matter before this House.

If we want to talk to other subjects and other areas, I think this is not the right time.

That offends the procedures of this House.

Gore re bo re tshwara maokaneng, re tshwara kwa le kwa, tota we cannot do justice to the subject before us.
Modulasetilo o tlisitse the subject mme o batla re mo thuse, re tle ka recommendations, re di dumele kana re ntshe megopolo e mengwe.

Jaanong fa re tshwara kwa, hei!

Standing Orders, go batla go tsewa sengwe le sengwe mo Mapalamenteng, no.

I think this is not the right way of debating issues brought to this House.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


MR SPEAKER: Your Honour, to the extent that we have just been dealing with a Motion although withdrawn, which he reads in the way he does, I think o supa letshwenyego le a nang le lone gore Motion o, o ne o batla eng.

E seng gore gongwe o ne o batla gore re tseelwe dithata re le dikomiti.

Ga a tswa mo tseleng mo go kalo mo o ka gakgamalang gore jaanong a a tswa kae.
19 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022ADOPTION OF THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE REPORTS FOR THE FINANCIAL YEARS 2018/2019 AND 2017-2019 PERFORMANCE AUDIT REPORTS MR TSHERE: Thank you very much Honourable Speaker.

Ke ne ke e amanya fela ka bokhutshwane.

Ke ema nokeng mogopolo o. Ke eletsa thata gore Palamente e, e reetse dilo tse di tswang kwa Auditor General.

Auditor General is independent.


Jaanong fa a bega mo Palamenteng through the committee and otherwise, re tshwanetse re tseye report ya gagwe ka tlhwaafalo.

Matshwenyego a me a matona ke gore, e kare report ya ga Auditor General ga e tsewe tsia, e bile e tsewa lolea ke Executive.

Ga ba bone e le sepe fela even when it is being referred to… Go nna fela gore Auditor General o buile, so, be it.

Re tlaa bona gape ngwaga o o tlang a ntsha report e nngwe, life goes on.

Selo se se a tshwenya.


Ke batla gore e re fa reports di ntse di tla jaana, bogolo jang tse di tswang kwa go Auditor General, re di tseye ka tlhwaafalo.

Mapalamente re kgone go dira an enquiry jaaka ke ne ke bua.

Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, ke amogela mogopolo wa gore re amogele (adopt) PAC Report.

Thank you very much.

“EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP” MR SPEAKER (MR MOATLHODI): Are you done Honourable Tshere?

MR TSHERE: Yes, Honourable Speaker.

Thank you very much.


MR SPEAKER: Enjoy your afternoon Honourable Tshere.

We are now going to call upon the Honourable Assistant Minister responsible for Basic Education.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MS MAKWINJA): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke a lebgoa batlotlegi.

Ke eme Tshutiso e ya ga Auditor General Report nokeng.

Ke report e e leng gore jaaka ba bangwe ba ntse ba bua Mr Speaker, e ntsha mo le rona re go itseng.

Re kope ka tsweetswee gore findings di diragadiwe.


Mr Speaker, ba bone dilo tse pedi tse ke batlang go di papametsa gore mathata a boradikonteraka tsa Batswana, le gore re le Puso, re maoto a tshupa go sala ditiro tse morago fa di sa dirwe ka nako.

Fa gongwe di sa dirwe gotlhegotlhe.

Golo mo go a tshwenya ka gore jaaka re leka ka bojotlhe go tsenya itsholelo mo matsogong a Batswana, ga re itse gore go a go nna jang.
Gongwe go ya go bifela pele ka gore tshenyetso- setšhaba e e kanakana, e dira gore go nne bokete gore ditiro di fediwe ka nako.

Jaaka re ntse re bua ka dikole tse di makgasa; maintenance ke yone kgang e. Re bua ka molao wa theko le thekiso o mosha wa Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Board (PPADB) le Citizen Inclusion Act tse di lekang go thusa Batswana.

Di leka go tlotlomatsa Motswana gore a tseye itsholelo ya lefatshe la gagwe ka natla, dilo tse di ntse jaana, e bile go bonala.
Ga re itse gore go tlile go tsaya lebaka le le kae gore batho ba bone gore golo fa they are blacklisted.

Motho ga a nne le dikonteraka di le eight kana 10 mme e le tsa gagwe, a batla tiro e le nngwefela.

Dilo tse di tshwanetse di ntshiwe gore re tle re gatele pele, e seng jalo re tlaabo re dikologa o kare leotwana la baesekele go sena se se tswelelang pele.

Dilo tse, e tlaare jaaka re tlile go gagamatsa jaana, fa dikgato di tsewa, gongwe bangwe ba rona teng fa ba tlaabo ba nna bonkgata-ke-tlhaname.
Ba re Batswana ga ba neelwe ditiro, go rile.

Gompieno jaana ba re tsentse mo mathateng; bana ba rona ba tsenela mo dikoleng tse di makgasa, go a phephetha mme re leka ka fa re lekang ka teng Mr Speaker.

Dilo di kwa courts mme re rile re leka go thusa Batswana.

Ke kope ka tsweetswee gore e ya boradikonteraka re e tshwaraganeleng batlotlegi.

Mo kgaolong ya gago o leke go nna very close to those projects le thuse bakwaledibagolo ba maphata.
Gape go tlaa thusa thata ka gore molao o mosha wa theko le thekiso o baya boikarabelo mo bakwaledingbagolo ba maphata.

Go bo go raya gore ba ba dirang tlhakatlhakano e e mo diofising ka tshenyetso-setšhaba, ba itse gore le phirimile.

Re akanya gore bakwaledibagolo ba tlile go dira go le go tona gore ba bone gore dilo tse ga di diragale.
Ke kope Ntlo e gore fa re tsaya dikgato tse di gagametseng le eme nokeng badirelapuso e bong bakwaledibagolo ka gore ke itse gore ba tlaa tsaya kgato gore re fokotse tshenyetso-setšhaba.

Re thuse Auditor General gore findings tse a ntseng a di bona tse, di fokotsege re nne lefatshe la Botswana le re neng re le itse pele.

Le e neng e re Motswana a bereka, a bo a itse gore o berekela lefatshe la gagwe, ga a iperekele Mr Speaker.

Ke tsone dilo tse ke utlwang di nkgwetlha gore ke akgele.
Fa re ka se ke re fetole re le Batswana le babereki ba ga Goromente, re itse gore re senyetsa lefatshe la Botswana le Motswana yo mongwe yo o kwa lelwapeng yo o sa bonang tshono ya go bereka.

Mr Speaker, ke leboge lekoko le le neng la tsaya matsapa le ya go dira tiro e ntle e e kanakana.

Re ba eme nokeng.

Rona ba re leng mo diofising, re tlile go leka ka bojotlhe gore findings tse re di sale morago.

Ke… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification, Mma Makwinja.

MS MAKWINJA: Yes ma’am.


MR SPEAKER: Le fana eng Minister?

20 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022ADOPTION OF THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE REPORTS FOR THE FINANCIAL YEARS 2018/2019 AND 2017-2019 PERFORMANCE AUDIT REPORTS HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga ke a dumela, ke santse ke go emetse Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Ga ke a utlwa gore le ne le kopana eng?

bo PS le ba ba maleba ba a tlhatlhelelwa gore tota tiro e e masisi e ba ya go e tshwara jang.
Gongwe motlotlegi o tlaa itse gore le gompieno jaana go na le buyers, specialist buyers, ba ba tlaabong ba thusa bo PS gore tiro e e diragale ka manontlhotlho.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR SPEAKER: Clarification sought and granted.

MS MONNAKGOTLA: Thank you Mr Speaker and good afternoon.

Ke utlwa a bua mafoko a mantle.

Mothusa Tona, bontsi jwa dikgwebo le bagwebi mo Botswana, ga se Batswana thoothoo!
Golo mo Botswana go lebega gore fa o fentse tender, e dule, Motswana yo mongwe fa a sa e bona, o fitlhela e kare gantsi ke boferefere.

A mme o buela mo go tsone dilo tse?

A dilo tse di tlaa tswa mo mpepeneneng?

Ke le Mma Monnakgotla jaana, fa ke bone tender batho ba sa e bona, e bo e le gore I tender ke le nosi jalo, gongwe go na le yo mongwe a le kwa tlase e se Motswana ke bo ke fetoga, go a gotwe go neetswe kompone ya ga Mma Monnakgotla ka gore ke Mopalamente.

A dilo tse di a go senoga?


A dilo tse e tlaa nna nnete Mothusa Tona?

MS MAKWINJA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke a leboga motlotlegi.

Ke re kana diphetogo tse ga di direlwe fela mo legoagoeng motlotlegi, re lebile ba ba tlaabong ba dira le dilo tse gore they are professionals.

Go na le bana ba Batswana ba le bantsi ba ba dirileng Supply Chain Management le Chartered Institute of Purchasing and Supply (CIPS), ba ba nang le ethics tse ba tshwanetseng go bereka ka tsone.
Ke bone bana ba e leng gore fa ba hirilwe ba le mo ditirong, ke bona gore go tle go fokotsega fela thatathata.

Gompieno mongwe le mongwe fela ke yo o kgonang go dira dilo tse tsa theko le thekiso mme ga go a tshwanela go nna jalo.

So, to make sure gore re nna le buyers, we have to have qualified and professional procurement officers go thusa.
Se sengwe ke gore fa boikarabelo bo neetswe Permanent Secretary (PS), ke bona gore dilo tse di tlile go tswela mo mpepeneneng mme e bile batho ba tlaa itse gore ga ba a tshwanela gore e re ba le on tenders ba nna ba sebetsa ba bangwe gore yole has tendered ka bokana, wena o ka e isa kwa tlase kwa go P0.02 ka gore ke tsone dilo tse di diragalang.

Ba bangwe ba a ne ba itse gore ba bone tender before the adjudication stage.

Ke dilo tse re di bonang tse di diragalang.


Dilo tse di tshwanetse go buiwa, re se ka ra bipa mpa ka mabele.

Ke re jaanong bone ba ba senyang bao le boradikonteraka go tshwanetse gore… go na le mo gotweng briefcase contractors.

Le maabane ke ne ke le kwa factory e nngwe e e dirang dilo tse di ntlentle fela thata mme fa go tswa tenders o tlaa fitlhela e le gore bone ba briefcases ba a tla, ke bone ba bonang tenders tse ba bo ba ya go reka kwa South Afrika, ba re mo Botswana go a tura.
Kamoso go a robega go bo gotwe quality e rileng.

Ke akanya gore go tlile go tokafala fela thata.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR RAMOGAPI (PALAPYE): Ke a go leboga Mr Speaker.


Mma ke tseye sebaka se ke leboge Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Selebi Phikwe West e bile gape e le Modulasetilo wa PAC ka report e ntlentle e a e beileng fa pele ga rona e. Ke re ke ema jaana ke re a re amogeleng report e. Mme e bile gape ke supe gore botswerere jo o bo dirang jo rra, bogologolo kana re gakologelwe gore komiti e was chaired fela ke ba ba busang.
E re fa ba e chair jaana, ke gakologelwa those who chaired it before ka botswerere jaaka bo Rraetsho former Vice President yo ka nako eo e neng e le Mopalamente, Rraetsho Kedikilwe.

Ke gakologelwa bo Rraetsho Goya le Rraetsho Modubule, ba e ileng ya re fa go fetolwa gotwe nnyaa jaanong Puso ga e ka ke ya itlhodumela, ga bo go simolola ka bone jalojalo gore ba simolole go tlhodumela.
Moono o ke one o o siameng wa gore tota a Puso e se ka ya itlhodumela, go nne le ba ba sa buseng ba ba tlhodumelang go bona gore a dilo di dirwa sentle.

Ke go lebogisa fela thata ka report e e o e kwadileng ka botswerere jo bo kwa godimo.

Bangwe ba ne ba akanya gore gongwe ba kganetso fa ba ka e etelela, ga go ka ke ga siama.
lebogele gore Chairmen ba pele, Sa bobedi ke segolobogolo jang ke gakologelwa Rraetsho Kedikilwe, ba ne ba bua thata gore a kgang e jaanong e nne public hearing, go se ka ga nna sephiri fela go buiwa ka dilo tsa setšhaba.

O e tshwere jalo ka botswerere, Batswana ba a go reetsa rraetsho fa le dira public hearing ka yone kgang e ya PAC.

Ke akanya gore systems le processes are going to be fine-tuned, di ya go baakanngwa gore kgang e e se ka ya nna teng.
E bile ke akanya gore jaaka re ntse jaana, Fa ke tsena mo dikgannyeng rraetsho, le fa o tla ka report jaana, ke tsaya gore selo sa ntlha ke setse ke buile gore ke amogela tsotlhe tse o di beileng fa pele ga rona 21 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022ADOPTION OF THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE REPORTS FOR THE FINANCIAL YEARS 2018/2019 AND 2017-2019 PERFORMANCE AUDIT REPORTS rraetsho.
Ke re selo se se botlhokwa ke gore ke eletsa gore Modulasetilo wa PAC le Auditor General ba neelwe dithata tse di tona tse e leng gore fa lephata lengwe kana ministry mongwe go ka tswa performance report kana audit go bo go raya gore ba e baya fela gathering lerole koo, ba sa dire sepe… kana mo re go bitsang re re ke audit query ba bo ba gana fela ba nna fela ba re “o tlaa ntheng.” Ke eletsa gore batho ba Auditor General le Modulasetilo ba ba tseele dikgato fela ka fa molaong.
E seng dikgato tsa nakwana tsa bo gore fa le bitsa motho a bo a gana le kgona gore, ke a itse gore tseo o na le tsone, o kgona gore o mo tlhatlhele mo toronkong fa e le gore o ka gana o mmiditse.

Dithata tsa go gana tiro gore kana report ke e e sale e dirilwe mme ga ba e dire, dithata tseo di ka re thusa gore go nne le mo gotweng ke go tokafatsa maduo.
E nngwe e e tshwenyang Motlotlegi Modulasetilo wa Komiti ke kgang e e leng gore o itse gore go na le vacant posts tse dintsi fela thata mo maphateng mme reports tsotlhe di nna di bua ka dikgang tse le tsa performance reports le Botswana Accountancy Oversight Authority (BAOA), ba nna ba bua gore go na le diphatlha le tsa boards tota tse e leng gore ga di thibiwe.
Ke re mme kana yone kgang e fela fa e le gore go ka nna le vacant posts tse di kanakana, golo mo go tlaa dira gore go se ka ga nna le tokafatso maduo.

Maduo a tlaa wela kwa tlase a a tlaa isang lefatshe la rona kwa morago fela thata.
Ke re selo se se botlhokwa rraetsho gore fa re ntse re ntsha reports jaana le tsone mo go senang... Diphatlha tse di nnetseng ruri, jaaka maabane ke ne ke botsa potso e le gore o fitlhela e le gore diphatlha di bo 296 mo maphateng mme go sena maiteko a go di thiba, go ntswe fela.

Ke re nnyaa golo moo a re boneng gore performance ya teng e ka tokafadiwa jang.

O neelwe dithata fa e le gore batho ga ba ikaelele go thiba diphatlha tseo.
Kgang e nngwe e e ntshwenyang Modulasetilo, ke e e tshwanang le gore o le foo o le Modulasetilo wa PAC, go na le kwa Goromente wa Botswana a beeleditseng teng, sekai jaaka kwa bo Debswana le meepo e mengwe fela jalojalo.

Le na le thata ka fa go ntseng ka teng gore tota le tlhodumele dikonteraka tse tsa bo Debswana.
Fa e le gore jaanong these contracts ga le ka ke la di tlhodumela mme le na le thata ya oversight… kana oversight go tewa gore fa e le gore sengwe ga se tsamaye sentle, le bo le kgona gore baakanyang golo fa batho ba Modimo.

Fa e le gore jaanong le ka nna sephiri seo fela Modulasetilo wa me, ke bona e le gore golo mo madi a ga Goromente a tlaa tsamaya fela.
Kgang e fa re bala e kile ya tsosa kgaruru nako nngwe e le gore PAC ya re re batla go tlhodumela ka gore madi a ga Goromente a ya koo mme Debswana a le supa le le fa ya re nnyaa, ga go na sepe se le ka se tlhodumelang mo go rona ka gore rona re private sector.

Re re nnyaa Goromente o a bo a beeleditse a na le shares koo.

Bonang gore golo moo go tsewa tsia rraetsho.


Kgang e nngwe e ke batlang gore ke e bue e ntse e le ya reports rraetsho, ke kgang e e tshwanang le tsa bo Independent Electoral Commission (IEC).

Le tlaabo le interview Modulasetilo wa IEC a bo a bua a tlhamaletse a re bagaetsho IEC ga e a ikemela.
Re tshwanelwa ke gore re nne le mo gotweng ke corporate entity, re ikemele ka bonosi re emetse fale, mme Puso e bo e nna sebonda fela e pala e re nnyaa ga go na ope yo o ka bang a lala a rile le ikemele nna ke a gana le report e ga ke e ise kwa Palamenteng, ke re nnyaa.

Motlotlegi Dithapelo Keorapetse, o ele tlhoko fela thata o bone gore fa e le gore Minister o gana go tlisa reports jaanong re mo le thuse gore batho ba Modimo jaanong le a bo le dira gofe Executive?
Kgang e nngwe e ke batlang gore ke tsene mo go yone ka bofelo rra ke siana mo go yone ke ya dikonteraka.

HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR you Rre TSOGWANE): Clarification.

Thank Ramogapi.

O bua ntlha ya botlhokwa kana, ke tsone dikgang tse re batlang go di utlwa tse o di buang tseo, ka gore ga re a di utlwa on the report.
You raised a very important and pertinent issue ya gore, a gone go a kgonagala kana go setse go diragetse, jaaka fa o o fa sekai sa gore ba bangwe ba ne ba gana fela ba re bone ga ba ka ke ba tlisa report kana ga ba ka ke ba dira sepe, that could have been discovered by audit.

Ba bo ba nna fela, go bo go nna fela go didimala, le mo report go sa utlwale.

Go sa bonale gore go na le ba ba dipileng, ba ba dipetseng komiti.

A o a rialo Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Palapye?

MR RAMOGAPI: Ke a leboga VP.


Rraetsho, ke bua jalo ke papametse ka gore report ya IEC e supa jalo gore e na le recommendations tse e di tlisitseng kwa go Minister wa bone.

Ke golo mo go mo mokwalong gore ba e tlisitse kwa go Minister wa bone, dilo di tshwana tsa gore go balelwe ditlhopho fa go tlhophetsweng teng, le gore IEC e ikemele ka nosi.

Dilo tseo ga di a tla mo Palamenteng rraetsho.

Ke siana ka bonako ka ya projects tsa Batswana, tse o fitlhelang di agiwa ke Batswana di bo di tlogelwa di sa fela.
Ke re kana mathata a matona batho betsho ke golo 22 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022ADOPTION OF THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE REPORTS FOR THE FINANCIAL YEARS 2018/2019 AND 2017-2019 PERFORMANCE AUDIT REPORTS go bitswa gotwe under- pricing.

Batho under-price, Batswana segolobogolo jang, mme ba bo ba neelwa tiro fela gotwe, re tlaa mmona mma a ye go wa, a ye go dira ka price e e kwa tlase eo.

Mma ke fe sekai fela ka kgang e e motlhofo ya under-pricing.
The security companies fa ba dira dikonteraka ba tender, o tlaa fitlhela e le gore ke gore motho o tender gore labour ya gagwe… Goromente a re motho a duelwe, sekai, P9 ka hour, jaanong o tlaabo a dira tender a re ene ke P5 ka hour, ke e fa sekai.

Ke gore e bonala fela gore motho has under-priced, mme a bo a e neelwa fela gotwe e dire.

Go bonala fela gore motho yo has under-priced, rate ya gagwe ke e e kwa tlase mo go e e beilweng ke Tona wa tsa pereko, mme a bo a e neelwa fela.
Ke re a re bona golo mo re dira sentle.

A dilo tse di simololwe fela tsotlhe, tenders, a e ka nna tsa construction, a e ka nna tsa eng, fa e le gore motho has under-priced, re bo re sa re, nnyaa re ya go mo ja ntsoma.

Kana fa re dira jalo jaanong re ya go ja Batswana ntsoma, re bo re fetoga gore, wena rra you have under-priced, ditirelo tsa gago di ka se ke di fele.

We can save madi for Goromente, e seng jalo re tlaa nna fela go ntse go ntse jaana rraetsho.
Ke ema jaana ke re, rraetsho ke amogela report ya gago, e ntle thata, e botswerere thata rraetsho, ditso di tlaa tla di supa gore o kile wa etelela komiti e, mme wa dira tiro e ntle fela ka botswerere.

Ga se fela gore batho ba a bo ba busa, gore ba bo ba dira tiro ka botswerere, jaaka re a tle re utlwe.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR REGOENG (MOLEPOLOLE NORTH): Tanki Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke re rra ke a go leboga le nna ntle ke latlhele a le mabedi fela.
Ga ke na go nna moleele mo pegong e re e filweng ka botswerere e. Gongwe ke tlhalose fela gore kana madi a a batho a, re a neela maphata ka go farologana gore ba a dirise gore a sologele Batswana molemo.

Mme go a lebega e a re kgabagare o fitlhele go na le dilo tse di sokameng mo teng, tse di sa dirisiweng kana di sa diriweng sentle.

Re a itse gore re na le maphata ka go farologana, tota a e leng gore ke one a a tsayang madi a Puso.
Re na le dikhansele tse di eteletsweng pele kwa dikgaolong tse di kwa ntle ke bo Council Secretary, mo ditoropong e bo e nna town or city Clerks.

Mo Central Government re bo re nna le bo PS ka go farologana ga maphata.

Mme mo parastatals tse re di bitsang State Owned Enterprises ka gore le tsone di tsaya madi a Puso, di eteletswe pele ke boards le bo Chief Executive Officer (CEO).

Ke gone fa bontsi ja madi a Puso a dirisiwang teng.
Jaanong ke re, kana report e a tle e tle e ntse ka tsela e e tshwanang le yone e e ntseng jaana, e kwadilwe bontle, mme fa gongwe dithata e le tsone tse di seyong, gore fa e kwadilwe ka fa e kwadilweng ka teng, ya sekasekwa, ya bonwa.

Dithata ka tsone di teng tsa gore dilo di ka tsenngwa mo tseleng sentle go bona gore se se senyegileng se baakanngwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Report ya audit e lekalana la PAC le e lebelelang, e tlaabo e le go sekaseka gore a madi a dirisitswe sentle ka fa tsamaisong ya molao le ka fa ba neng ba a abetswe ka teng.

Mme fa o fitlhela e le gore ga a dirisiwa sentle, o fitlhela komiti e bo e le gore jaanong audit e supa jalo gore madi a ga a dirisiwa sentle.

O bo o fitlhela e le gore go tsaya dikgato fa a sa dirisiwang teng sentle ke gone fa o ka reng go nna bokete.
Ke tsaya gore re le Goromente, go na le the financial management policy, e e tshwanetseng to guide komiti e. Go bo go nna le procedures le processes tse di leng teng mo maphateng ka go farologana, tse le tsone di supang gore dilo di tshwanetse go diriwa ka tsela e e ntseng jaana.

Mo gongwe o fitlhela e le gore report ya ga Auditor General, e tla e bua se sele, o bona gore go nnile le violation ya financial management, financial policies, procedures and processes.
Kgang e bo e nna gore kgato e e ka tsewang ke efe?

Ke re when we adopt this report, kana gongwe mo go e e latelang rraetsho, le tle ka recommendations fela tse di tseneletseng tsa gore go ya pele melao e e ka baakanngwa jang, gore le fiwe dithata kana go neelwa ba ba ka fiwang dithata gore fa go nna ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, ba ba tlhokometseng ditsa Puso jaaka fa ke sa tswa go di balolola, kwa di khanseleng, CEO, le tsa Central Government, go ka dirwa kgato e e tshwanang le e e ntseng jaana.
E se mo report e tlaabong e tla fela e tswa kwa Auditor General, e supa gore dilo ga di a tsamaya sentle.

E bo go felela fela jalo e le gore report e dule ka tsela e e tshwanang le e e ntseng jalo.

Ke re, gone golo mo, fa re ka se ke re go lebelelele kana re senke ditsela tse go ka baakanngwang, ga gona kwa re ka yang teng ka go leka go baakanya dilo tse o fitlhelang di le manyanyabeya jaana.
Se sengwe gape se ke batlang go akgela mo go sone ke gore, go a supagala gore mo go one maphata otlhe fela ka go farologana ga one a, kgang e ya supervision e santse e le kwa morago, mme ka o fitlhele go na le mo gotweng collective responsibility, tota yo o tshwanetseng go tsaya boikarabelo ja gore a dilo di tsamaya sentle, e bo e kare jaanong o iphitlha ka gore go na le collective responsibility, a ka se ke a tseelwe kgato e e maleba gore, fa go nna jaaka fa go ntse jaana, o ka dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
23 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022ADOPTION OF THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE REPORTS FOR THE FINANCIAL YEARS 2018/2019 AND 2017-2019 PERFORMANCE AUDIT REPORTS Ke re rra, ke amogela report, e bile ke dumalana le wena ka fa go ntseng ka teng.

Fela ke ne ke re, gongwe fa re sena melao e go nang le fa go ka tsewang dithata tse di gagametseng sentle, dilo tse re a go bona di ntse di tswelela.
Reports tse dintsi tse di duleng mo dikhanseleng, di sa nna sentle mo maphateng a Puso ka go farologana, di sa nna sentle, le tsone mo parastatals di sa nna sentle, mme e le gore Goromente o tla nako le nako a bo a ntse a tšhobela madi koo go sena kgato e e tsewang.

Dilo tse ga di re direle sentle gotlhelele, mme e bile tota lefatshe le re busetsa kwa morago ka dikgang tse di tshwanang le tse di ntseng jaana.

Ke re fela ke akgele ka bokhutshwane jo bo kalo rraetsho ke re, report ya gago ke a e bona.
Mme fela fa go sena melao e tota e ka patikang gore dikgato di tsewe tse di lebaganeng, supervision e nne teng, yo o eteletseng lephata, khansele kana an organisation, a tseelwe dikgato tse di maleba gore, e rile fa dilo di tlaa tswa mo tseleng, o ne o le fa kae...golo moo re a go bona go ntse go tswelela fela.

Dikgang di tla di ntse ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, report ya ga Auditor General e tla e supa gore go nnile le golo gongwe fa dilo di sa tsamaisiwang sentle teng.
E bo re e lesa fela go ntse ka tsela eo, ga go re thuse ka sepe.

Ke re, kwa ntle ga foo fela rraetsho ke dumalana le wena, report e e siame.

Ke re a melao re bone gore re e gagamatsa jang, gore ba ba maleba, ba ba neetsweng boikarabelo ja go etelela maphata, organisations tsa Puso, le dikhansele, ba tseelwe dikgato tse di maleba, gore e rile fa dilo di tlaa nna jaaka fa di ntse jaana, ke fa go ne go reng.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.


MR MAJAGA (NATA-GWETA): Mma le nna Mr Speaker ke go leboge, ke leboge Honourable Dithapelo Keorapetse for having presented his reports for adoption by this House.

Ke re ke tiro e tona thata rra.

Ke go leboge ka mabaka a gore, sittings tsa PAC, tsa lebaka le le fetileng…gongwe ke tsone tsa ntlha go nna le tiro e tona because of bo COVID le tse dingwe tse di neng di tsere lebaka without being attended.
Komiti e e tsene ka dinako tse di tshwaraganeng go le bokete mme you managed to facilitate the reports tse pedi, maybe doing them in one ka mabaka a a neng a le teng a COVID-19 le a ditlhopho thatathata.

When we went to elections, some of the reports were not attended to by the committee but you managed to zoom them all in one.
Ke yone tiro e tona e e leng gore melao le madimadi a re a fetisang re le Palamente, a mme at the end of the day value for money, is work being done as planned on time, any dubious businesses which are being done by certain individuals or cooperate and Government departments?

Komiti ya gago Mr Speaker, ya PAC, ke yone e dirang tiro yotlhe mme o ka bona gore ke tiro e e tona go le kana ka eng.

Mr Speaker, there is something that is worrisome to me.
One; some of these ministries ga ba dirise madi, especially Ministry of Education.

O ya go fitlhela ba na le ditiro tse ditona tse di awarded, tse dingwe ga di fele.

Maybe one in three e ka nna gore they have underpriced tenders, they have done this and that with all reasons which can come out but there is lack of supervision in these ministries.

A lot of designated officers who have been assigned for their jobs, tota ga ba dire tiro ya bone.
I am saying so Mr Speaker, ka gore it is worrisome, nako nngwe o fitlhela the whole delegation ya ministries e le clueless.

O bo o ipotsa gore golo fa ke utlwa eng se se buiwang, tota ke bona eng.

Now it is time Mr Speaker, through you Mr Chairperson, that re nne re neela batho ba matshwao or even positions gore ministry o, ba Botswana Defence Force (BDF), police, Ministry of Lands ba tsere bokae as per our hearing.
Mo ke gone mo go tlaa rokotsang some of the departments gore ba leke go itse gore madi a ke a setšhaba, ba hirilwe, ba duelwa ka taxpayers’ money to facilitate these things gore go nne transparent, e bile madi a ke Batswana a kgone go ba direla ditlhabololo.

Nna, wena Mr Speaker, Chairperson and even these Honourable Members, go a re tshwenya ka gore madi a le fa dilo di sa diragale, Auditor General o ya go bona diphoso tse mme e le rona re rebotseng madi.
Ka fa re batla ditlhabololo gore re tle re tlhophiwe, nna le bo Rre Moagi, Rre Keorapetse le Rre Healy mme dilo di bo di sa tsamae sentle.

These things lie on us.

Jaanong ke ne ke re Mr Chairperson, I know go tlaa batla some certain Standing Orders and blessings because there is a law.

Nako e tlile ya gore re rute some of the ministries tse di dirang tiro ya bone sentle, they must be commended for the good work.
Ministries tse di tshwanang le ya education, there is still more to learn, no recoveries ya madi a bursaries a eng, go nna go buiwa selo se sengwefela.

We have been in this committee maybe for two decades jaaka le wena o ne o le mo teng, ke dilo tse e leng gore they are so worrisome.

Fela jaaka bangwe batlotlegi Mapalamente ba buile, ke yone tiro e tona, le fa o bona re botsa maphata dipotso re le batlotlegi Mapalamente, kana ke yone oversight.
Fa go ntse go tsamaya, I am one of those ba e leng gore maybe if the Standing Orders or if there is any law that can come before Parliament, e ka nna teng gore e se ka 24 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022ADOPTION OF THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE REPORTS FOR THE FINANCIAL YEARS 2018/2019 AND 2017-2019 PERFORMANCE AUDIT REPORTS ya nna business as usual.
When other certain individuals have done something wrong se se bonalang without taking the liable for their wrong deeds, this committee le wena must have certain powers.

Jaaka yone e e tlamang gore you summon someone or the ministry if they do not come, you can even imprison for summons.

That one is clear, it is good.

That is why o bona fa gotwe PAC, all ministries will come forward, ba itse gore there is that Clause which can enforce them.
Ba ba nang le tshenyo ba sa dire tiro ya bone sentle, they are freemen.

Those type of people must be liable gore le bone go nne le punishment.

E tlaa thusa nna le bo honourable botlhe ba ba mo Ntlong e ba dirile Puso ka gore dilo tse ba di dirang, ba a bo ba batla di itumedisa Batswana.

Performance audit reports e supa dilo tse dintsi, especially audit report, just to mention it.
Ke dilo tse e leng gore fa o lebelela a lot of these parastatals, tse dingwe tota re gobokanya madi mo go tsone fela mme value for money e seyo.

Jaanong Mr Chairperson, re go leboga re itse botlhoko jwa tiro e gore e ntsi jang, gape e ne ya nna ntsi ka lebaka la gore from the previous elections, committee e e ne e sa sit.

Ba Attorney General, Auditor General le komiti yone e, go tlaa re go bonwe melao that can enforce some of these things.
Madi a o utlwang a buiwa ka corruption a gotweng madi a timetse, kana e a bo e le a budgeted for, a bo a ya go timela a le kwa some ministries.

Go bo go nna le two or three officers ba e leng gore they must be liable, then ba bo ba nna innocent fela, go bo go lesiwa.

Mr Speaker, these things because of time, ke dingwe tse di ka bong di dirwa even twice a year.
Di nna di tswa to scrutinise and verify a lot of things, special audits reports tse di kgonang go tla di lebane le lephata, as we know that we have got a lot of parastatals tse di bonang madi through the ministries.

Go ya ka nna fa re lebelela melao e, re lebelele gore these things if there is anything, e tshwanetse gore jaaka Palamente e tsena gabedi, le gone fa go na le sengwe se se tlhokafalang performance audit le fa e nna teng, e bo e ka tla before Parliament.
Mapalamente ba tle ba bone le bone gore ba sesole ba dira tiro sentle, ba sepodise ba dira madi sentle, ba education, o ya go fitlhela gongwe bangwe mo Ntlong e re ise re duele.

Fa gongwe e se mathata a bone, re ile kwa bo University of Botswana (UB) mme re le Mapalamente.

O bo o bona le rona gore ga re ise re simolole and there is something wrong.

Re lebogela these reports jaaka o bona di kwadilwe gone fa, 2017/2018, 2018/2019.
Tota le fa re itse gore other committees le tsone have such reports, but this one is of critical importance for this House as Parliament, country and even international because we are in the international standards.

Some of your Chairmanships have been said by the international standards.

Mr Chairperson, mma ke eme gone fa ke re I support this for adoption by this House.
With those advices and our submission e re go e bayang pele, o motho yo o botlhale rra, run around the clock re bone gore re ka tighten some of these laws.

Maybe if it happens in the Standing Orders, some of the people ba nne liable, o tlaa bona ba tla ba tabogile, ba baakanya dilo.

Go sena resubmissions tse di tleng di nne teng because people know that it is business as usual.

By those submissions Mr Speaker, I submit this for adoption, I support.
Thank you Mr Speaker, thank you Mr Chairperson of the big committee.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you very much Honourable Member for Nata-Gweta, Tsokotshaa, Zoroga, Manxotai.

Honourable Chairperson responsible for the portfolio, please respond to the debates.
CHAIRPERSON OF THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE (MR KEORAPETSE): Ke a go leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, le wena e bile o le leloko la komiti e. O se leloko fela, o le leloko la motiya ka gore fa pitso ya PAC e bidiwa, tota le fa o ka bo o le busy jang kwa kgaolong ya gago ya Tonota, o a iponatsha.
Ga o iponatshe fela, you are very active mo komiting e. Ke go leboge in a special way Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke lebogela Mapalamente ka fa ba akgetseng ka teng go amogela pego e. Honourable Reatile o ne a bua ka performance audits reports gore fa gongwe go tsaya lebaka le le leele di sa dirwa.

Fa gongwe e a re di dirilwe, go tseye lebaka gape gore komiti e ye go dupa madi a Puso gore a dirisitswe jang go bo go raya gore e tsaya lebaka gore e tlhodumele dipego tseo.
Ke tsaya gore gongwe go tlaa re re lebalebe gore mo the almanac ya Palamente re bone gore a ka se ke ya re fa gongwe fa seemo se sa patike kana re se busy thata mo go feteletseng, gongwe re dirise nako ya mo mosong go leka go kgarametsa reports tse dingwe tsa performance audits.

Sebe sa phiri se sengwe ke gore kana ba Auditor General le bone ga se gore ba nonofile mo go lekaneng fa o lebelela bodiredi le ditsompelo mo goreng ba ka dira performance audit reports di le palonyana.
25 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022ADOPTION OF THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE REPORTS FOR THE FINANCIAL YEARS 2018/2019 AND 2017-2019 PERFORMANCE AUDIT REPORTS Kgang e o ne a e tshwaraganya le parastatals.

Re a itse gore parastatals tsa rona go akaretswa le dikompone tsa Puso (State-Owned Enterprises), kana ba fiwa subventions tse di fetang P4 billion ngwgaga le ngwaga mongwe wa madi.
Re setse re kile ra bua gore kana re na le tsone tse di ka feta 60 le gore gongwe nako e tsile ya gore di sekasekwe go bona gore ke dife tse di ka kopanngwang (merge) kana di ka tokafadiwa ka tsela epe fela go leka go boloka madi a setšhaba.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke a itse gore yone e e amang parastatals, kana tota thata e mo Komiting ya Statutory Bodies ya ga Honourable Tshabang.
Re a itse gore tlholegong e ne e le komiti e le nngwefela le PAC mme fa go lemosega gore tiro ya teng e kwa godimo tsa bo di farologanngwa.

Jaanong mme tota fa re lebeletse mo kgannyeng yone e, o fitlhela e le gore o kare Modupi wa Dibuka tsa Puso ga a na dithata tse di kalokalo tse di tlhomameng thata tse di dirang gore o ka tlhodumela mo go tseneletseng mo parastatals.

These are Statutory Bodies, di dirilwe ka melao ya Palamente mme e bile le audits tsa bone di mo melaong e e di tlhomang.
Jaanong o tlaa fitlhela e le gore bontsi jwa bone ba iterela audits tsa bone mme fa gongwe o fitlhela e le gore dilo ga di tsamaye sentle.

Ba bangwe o fitlhela kompone e le nngwefela e ba audit kgapetsakgapetsa jaaka Mapalamente ba kile ba botsa dipotso ka parastatals tse dingwe gore ke eng o kare ba boeletsa audit firms di le dingwefela gore di nne di ba dupe.

Dilo tse dingwe ga di tsamaye sentle.


Jaanong Honourable Reatile o ne a supa gore fa gongwe go a re special audits, bo performance audits le tsone gongwe di dirwe.

Le gone gongwe re fe Auditor General dithata tsa gore le fa ntswa gongwe a ka se ka a audit parastatals tsotlhe ka lebaka la bobotlana le ka fa melao e ntseng ka teng le ka fa fela practically go ka kgonegang ka teng, mme go nne le dithata tse a nnang le tsone ka gore tota mme kana Molaomotheo o fa ene gore a dupe dibuka tsa Puso.
Ntlha e nngwe e ke utlwang o kare e boelela kgapetsakgapetsa ke ntlha e e simolotseng e buiwa ke Motlotlegi Honourable Tshere ya gore fa gongwe o fitlhela o kare… ke raya gore e ne e buiwa ka tsela e e farologaneng ke Mapalamente, including Honourable Regoeng, yone ya gore tota o kare go ka bo go na le dithata tsa gore remedial actions kana recommendations tsa dikomiti tsa Palamente di tlame maphata a Puso le ba ba okametseng maphata a gore ba di diragatse.
Le gore tse e leng gore go bonwe di sa dirwa sentle ka tshokamo, go nne le dikgato tse di tsewang.

Ke tsaya gore e tshwanetse gore e nne puisanyo e re ka nnang le yone go bona gore re ka tsena jang mo seemong se se ntseng jalo.

Fa e le gore Palamente e tlaabo e e adopt report e e nna ya yone, go tshwanetse gore go bo go tlama gore dingwe tsa recommendations tse go bonwe gore di dirwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Gape re sa lebale gore kana go na le Executive e e nang le mandate wa yone wa to implement policies tsa ga Goromente le molao, le Palamente e e leng gore yone e dira melao mme e sa dire melao fela mme gape e tlhodumela gore dilo di dirwa sentle mo Pusong.

Ke tsaya gore ke nngwe ya dikgang tse re tshwanetseng gore re di lebelele thata re le Palamente e ya Bolesome le Bobedi gore tota mme tokafalo re ka e dira fa kae mo melaong.
Honourable Tshere o ne a bua ka COVID-19 Report e e neng e tlhodumela gore dilo di tsamaile jang mo go yone le mo Relief Fund.

Ke supe gore go tlaa nna le sitting ya PAC e e yang go tsena ka May, e e tlaabong e sekaseka report ya ga Auditor General e e leng gore it is the latest report e bo e boa e ya go sekaseka le kgang ya COVID-19 Report.

Honourable Makwinja, ke lebogela kakgelo ya gagwe le ene.
Ga ke dumele gore fa go tlhomame fela go lebane fa dikgato di tsewa di tsewa mo go ba ba sa dirang sentle, a e ka tswa e le dikgang tse o neng o di bua tsa rigged tenders, tse o fitlhelang e le gore batho ba na le dikompone di le dintsintsi di bo di tla di bid for tender e le nngwefela go ipitswa ka maina a a farologaneng, tse go ka tweng ke tsa manyofonyofo… o ne o ngongorega ka dikgang tsa bo structural defects mo ditirong tsa Puso tse di a bong di dirilwe, ke dikgang tse ke tsayang gore di lebane mme re tshwanetse gore re di ele tlhoko thata Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Honourable Ramogapi go tswa kwa Palapye, dikgaolo tsa bo Khurumela, bo Mmalekokopu le tse dingwe, ke lebogele kakgelo ya gagwe le ene ka gore o ne a bua ka kgang e e leng gore le yone ke nngwe ya dikgang tse e leng gore PAC e ne e itebagantse le tsone, yone ya vacancies tse di sa kabiwang mo go Goromente.

Re buile ka dikgang tse di tshwanang le tsone tseo.
Re buile ka dikgang tse o neng o bua ka tsone tsa bo gore recommendations jalo gongwe di nne binding le gore go nne le response le gore melao le yone e baakanngwe go bona gore dilo di tsamaisiwa sentle.
Dingwe tsa dilo tse re neng re buisana ka tsone ke gore the Public Finance Management Act e tshwanetse gore le yone e tlhodumelwe go bona gore dilo di tsamaya sentle, bogolo jang mo dikgannyeng tse di tshwanang le tsone tse tsa bo Special Funds go ya ka gore madi a ntshiwa jang mo teng le dikgang tse dingwe.
26 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022ADOPTION OF THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE REPORTS FOR THE FINANCIAL YEARS 2018/2019 AND 2017-2019 PERFORMANCE AUDIT REPORTS Mapalamente o fitlhela ba bua kwa dikgaolong tsa bone gore ditiro ga di goroge koo, ditsompelo tse di tshwanetseng gore di ya kwa setšhabeng, ga di goroge, mme tota madi a busiwa.

Ke dingwe tsa dilo tse fa re tsena mo efficiency ya Government, di tshwanetseng go lebelelwa.
Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke leboge Mapalamente botlhe ba ba akgetseng mo kgannyeng e le ka fa ba emeng nokeng report e. Ke lebogele kemonokeng ya ofisi ya gago o le Speaker le gore a re tswelele re ntse re emana nokeng.

Go na le tiro e ntsi thata ya Audit Reports tse pedi tse di fa pele ga rona.

It may be that go na le tsa Performance Audits, I have not checked but so far, I have received only two reports.
Ka go rialo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, I move that this Honourable House resolves that the PAC Reports for the financial years 2018/2019 and 2017- 2019 Performance Audit Reports be adopted.

I move accordingly Mr Speaker.

Question put and agreed to.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, as that concludes the business on today’s Order Paper, I shall now call upon the Honourable Leader of this House to move a Motion of adjournment.
MOTION ADJOURNMENT LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

As you have requested Mr Speaker, I move that this House do now adjourn.

Question put and agreed to.

The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 4:54 p.m. until Thursday 7th April, 2022 at 11:00 a.m. O ne o bua ka independence ya oversight institutions.

Fa o lebelela mo chapter yone ya governance, general governance issues, ke nngwe ya dikgang tse re di amileng.
Ke setse ke amile dikgang tse di neng di buiwa ke Honourable Regoeng tsa gore go botoka gore recommendations tse e se ka ya nna recommendations fela, mme gongwe di tlame.

Ke lebogele kakgelo ya ga Honourable Majaga e bile e le leloko la komiti e. E bile gape le ene fa go nna le pitso yone e ya PAC, ke mongwe wa Mapalamente ba ba senkeng ba ipona tsapa go tsenelela diphuthego tsa komiti yone e, go tsweng fela kwa Palamenteng ya Bolesome le Bongwe go tla go fitlhelela gompieno.
O buile ka dikgang tse di farologaneng.

Re na le kgwetlho Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente gore gantsinyana fa go tsena mo nakong ya ngwaga wa ditlhopho, gantsintsi bontsi jwa dikomiti tsa Palamente di a swa mme ga go swe PAC fela.

Go ama PAC thata ka gore gantsintsi e nna kwa morago fa go tsena mo ngwageng wa ditlhopho ka gore Mapalamente ba a bo ba se available go tla go sekaseka reports tsa Auditor General le go tlhodumela dibuka tsa Puso.
Ke nngwe ya dikgang tse e leng gore gongwe le tsone go tlaa re re di batlele maano a gore go ka dirwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Gongwe e re ka ngwaga wa ditlhopho fa Palamente e tsene e re maphakela re bo re netefatsa gore komiti e e tshwanang le yone e ya PAC e tsene e dire tiro ya yone e e fetse.

Ke tsaya gore ke nngwe ya dikgang tse e leng gore e tlaa re fa re ntse re sekaseka ka fa re dirang ka teng re bo re bona gore re dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Honourable Majaga o ipelaeditse ka kgang ya gore re lemogile re le ba PAC gore madi ga a dirisiwe a a busiwa.

Se se neng se le botlhoko le go feta ke gore madi a mangwe a ke a projects ka dikgang tse tsa courts, scope, back and forth le bo Ministry wa Infrastructure, supervising ministry.
Ke dikgang tse di leng teng tse ke tsayang gore mo go baakannyeng go dira ditiro tsa Puso, ke dikgang tse re tshwanetseng gore re di ele tlhoko thata Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, e se re gongwe ditiro tsa se ka tsa fitlha kwa bathong e le gore mme madi one a le teng, a boela kwa Pusong.
Se sengwe se se neng se ka hutsafatsa mo kgannyeng e ke gore le madi a mangwe a e leng a bo Recurrent Budget, o fitlhela e le gore mo ministries tse dingwe fa o lebelela madi a teng, le fa percentages di le kwa tlase, mme o fitlhela e le madi a mantsi a e leng gore a a boa.
27 Hansard No 205Wednesday 6th April, 2022ADOPTION OF THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE REPORTS FOR THE FINANCIAL YEARS 2018/2019 AND 2017-2019 PERFORMANCE AUDIT REPORTS HANSARD RECORDERS Mr T. Gaodumelwe, Mr T. Monakwe, Ms T. Kebonang HANSARD REPORTERS Mr M. Buti, Ms Z. Molemi, Mr J. Samunzala, Ms N. Selebogo, Ms A. Ramadi, Ms D. Thibedi, Ms G. Baotsi HANSARD EDITORS Ms K. Nyanga, Ms C. Chonga, Mr K. Goeme, Ms G. Phatedi, Ms B. Malokwane, Mr A. Mokopakgosi, Ms O. Nkatswe, Ms G. Lekopanye, Ms T. Mokhure, Ms B. Ratshipa LAYOUT DESIGNERS Mr B.
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