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1888.

ConONS DEBATES.

1031 PrintiD«, paper lIIut bool-Diadia, 180,000 Mr. MITCHELL.

Wbat does tIM iu(5Jllde and lire ten.

ders called for it ? '

lrIr.

BOWE LL.

The printing is done aft~r publie tender is had.

The printing paper is furnished after tenders have been advertised for and speoifications sefit to the different manufacturers.

My impression is that the lowe8t tenders were th08e of two manufacturers in Kontre.l the two cl888e8 of paper.

Mr. Rolland was ooe; I forg«n.

the name of the other.


for Committee rose and repOrted pi'ogrc88.

Sir HECTOR LANGEVIN moved the adjournment bfthe House.

Motion agreed to; and House adjottrned at 12.15 a.ttl.

(Friday).

HOUSE OF COMMO~S.

FRIDAY, 27th April, 1888.

The SrtAKEa took the Chair at Thr'~ o'clock.

PRATERS.

REPORTS ON PRIVATE BILLS.

Sir HECTOR LANGEVIN moved: That the time for the reception of rt'ports from Oommittees on Private Bills be extended until Wednesday, the 9th May next.

Motion agreed to.

FIRST READINGS.


THE HARBOR OF QUEBEC.

Sir CHARLES TUPPER moved that the HouBe on Mon day next, resolve itself into Committee to c(,nsid~r the 101 lowing resolution : - Resolved, That it is expedient to provide: (a) That the Gravin~ Dock built at Lllvis, opposite Quebeo shall become a public wllrk of th~ Dominion of Canada, under the cObtrol of the Minister of Puhlic Works 01 Oanada, and admiuistned by him.
and the Oorporation of the Qm'bec Harbor Commission(>rs stiall Cl'aee to have any control over it, and all powers, privileK6111 and authorities in them l'ested ehall ceas~ and the same sball thtlnceforward be vested in the Government of the Dominion of Oanada, (6) That the Oorpora.tion of the QU(>bec Harbor Commissioners sban be relea~ed and disehar~ed from any oblill:\tion to fepay to the Hovarn ment ~f Oanada the whole or any part of the advances ma.de to thf'm by the said Government for the purpose of constructing the said GrAving Dock, and from any oblill;l\tiou to pay to the said IJovernml'ntany 8ums of ~one., to ~ro,!ide for t~e plt.yment of interest thereon, or for the for matIon of a s1Dkmg fund 10 connectIOn therewith (c) That out of the bonds of the OorporatlOn of thEl Quebpc Harbor Commissioners now held by the Minister ot fl'lOance aud Receiver Gen eral to cover advances made to the uid Oorporation of the Queheo Har bor Oommissioners by the Government of Oanada to meel pllymenta on account of improvements in the Harbor of Qutbec and in connection with the wet or tidal dock at the mouth of the Kiver St. lJharles, there shall be returned to the s~id Oorporation of thA QUt'bec Harbor Oommis Bioners such amount of bond3 fIo~ shall be equal in par vallie to the amount which hilS been pa.id out of clipital by thEl said Oorporation of the Quebec Harbor Oommissioners to the said <iovl'roment for interest and sinking tund on the banda 80 deposited 11.8 sforeS'\ld with the Mini8 ter of Finsnce and Receiver
 Uener"l, and the said Corporation ot tbe Quebec Harbor Commissioners shall thencdorth be released fl'om any oblill;lition in connection with the bonds so to be returned &8 aforesaid and the advances rE'presflnted thereby.
(d) That frcm and after the tirst day of January, 1888, the rate of interest to be paid on all the bonds 1<0 dt,posi led as af\lTesaid, and on all bonds tberebfter deposited to cover further advlilJ('es for the Hame pur pORe, sha.ll be 4 per cent.

per annum withont sink:ng fund, and th1\t all of the sa.id bonds remainin~ in the handa of the Ht'cl'ivf'f OenElTllol, after deductir; g the amount to be returned as above providt1d.
t>h'l.ll be re placed With bonds of the said Oorporation of the Qlleb.Jc IlMbor Oum the same par vlI.lue, in such form as he mav approve, missioners for bearing interest at" per cent.

per Iinr.llm wilh()ut 8inkinll; fund; Pro vided alway", that 11.11 amounts actuftolly pili,} to the Governmellt by the said corporation of the Quebec Ha.rbur Uommissioners fur 8inkin~ fund on their Baid bonds 8b&1l be the property of the Oovernmcnt of Ollnlloda aud form part of the OonsoIidated Revenue Fund of Oanada.
Bill (No.

10'7) respeoting the York Farmers' Colonisation Company (from the Senate).-(Mr.

McCulla.)

Motion agreed to.

WAYS AND MEANS-TilE BUDGI~T.

Bill (No.

114) amending the different Acts r&lative to the Board of Trade of the City of Toronto (from the Sen ate).-(Mr.

Small.)

• 1. d oen uu er tue necosslty o' Sir CHARLES TUPPER, THE HARBOR 011' MONTREAL.
Sir CHARLES TUPPER m&ved that the House, on Monday next, resolve it8elf into Committee to cODsider the follOWing resolution : - in moving that the Hou~e Teflolvu itbelf into Committee to con8ider of tho WUyH and MeaDS for raising the Supply to be granted to lIer Mlljot-ty, said: Mr. Speakor, in rising to move that you do now h,avo the Chair for the purpofoe (jf goin~ into Committte of Ways and Mcan~, I must again fl8k the indulg(mco of the House from the fuct tbat, owing to the cir'cum~tances connected with the adminibtratiun of tile affairs of tho COil Tltry, I have b f b .
Resolved, That it is expedient to proTide: rom tluwa ()r a (a) That the Government ot the Dominion ofOanada may release and confliderabJe period sinco the last Sel-sion.
Althou~h my de disch&r~ the OOrpo1"&'ion of the Harbor OomntiUioners of Ifontreal trom allliaDility to repay to the said GO'fernmellt the whole or any partment h1l8 been watched over dDrin~ DIy ab~eDee, first part of the advances made to the said Oorporation to enable them to in London and afterward8 in \Vil8hin1ftoD, by my collctlg.uo, widen and deepen the chatmel in Lake St.. Peter and the River St. Law- rence, from Montreal to QUf.bee, or auy interest thereon, berond ~he the hone the MiCliBter of CU8tOffis, with hi~ urmal ability, amount ofintereBt already paId by them to the Government (It being yet thi8 Houeo will expect fJom me, a8 FiflaTieo Mini"ltt)T, the usual !Statement as to the Dnaneial condition of the uuderstood that no portion of the amount heretofOl'e paid.
for interest is to be ~funded)' '11 F (6) That the Gov(;rnment may pay to the Bald OorporatlOD.

of the pasH at Olice to country.

I will respoct.
the consideration of our condition in that Harbor Oommissioners of Montreal a BUm not exeeedlD~ tbe sum of $37,405, which they represent as beinf the excess of their expenditure Drst give explanationA as to the variations ir~ the finuneial (apart from the expenditure on capita account), over their net revenue the yeur eXfJired during the calendar year 1881 j (c; That the Government may, in addition to the said paymen.t last 30th June, 1887, and then reviow the condition of affairs of the corrent fiBcai year, and tirally indicate to the HonAo the mentioned, expend, \hrough the mediom of the laid Oorporat1on or 'II t otherWise, in tbe work of completiDg the said channel, the amount now .
t .

url~g remaining unexpended of tire 8D11lIJ autboriJed byaDy Act heretofore posItIOn t at the finanCIal atfalr8 passed to be adl'aneed to the Mid at.rbor Oommilltonera of Montreal for tbe pnrpose of complecing ,he B&id chann,I i .

the •(d) That no tonnage dues shul be hereafter 18Tled Oil, or collected i revenue received from aU sources would amoont to 135 300 _ ' I from, any sailing l'euel Ol' steamer at the port of lIontre&!
; ~e) That the dredging plaat ~d ap,1ia~ceIi'h~tortJre used by tbe 000. eo- sud Harbor OommiBsioaers, 18 _necaen wnb.

Cbe 1&1.

cbonel deavored to dea.l WIth our expectations 10 as careful a man- works, shaU hereafter belOR, to Ue Gonmmeli\ 01 O&U4a.

the It IS Wltb pleasnre tbe ntxt fioanmal year.


TakIDg first for the year ended 30th June laflt, we estimated that 'I • In lby Jut, Y' hen makmg th!i' ann,ual statement, Iner as I could, anel not to overe8t~mateto ~ny •extent prohoable revenlH likely to be reeeived, statements made in May la8t respectinCJ' ,., W h h b' t t .e uovernmen .

expe WI is no preluce, e1 ng a iltHlt .

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ranspu.e tb I~ ct WI Moti_ .-eed to.

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1032 COMMONS DEBATES.


APRIL 27, the the total revenues for cUTio~itjes of Customs revenue.

that I remind the House that the year were 835,'754,993, or an increase over the estimate of $45.,993.

Tile yield fl'om Customs which we estimated would amount to 822,000,000 actually amounted to 8~2,378,.

800.

This increa8e was no doubt mainly caused by the revenue of the following year being anticipated, owing to the changes made in the tariff.
Bofore passing from this branch of the 8ubject, 1 think it will be interesting- to point out to the hon.

members Bome of the 16atures which might be termed In the amount of duty the year ended 30Lh June, 1386, collected on coal and coke was 81,0 i2,332.
'rhe reve;"lue on these articlos for the year 1887 amounted to $1, Ii 8,964: or an increase of over 8100,000 over the preceding year, although 150,000 tons of anthracite coal were admitted £I'ee of duty in this latter year, a striking indication of the pro ~re8S which Canada made during that year in manufactures.

In the matter of luxuries such as fancy goods, there was In an increase from 8,332,246 in 1886 to $608,776 in H187.
silks and manufactures of silki'l thol e was an increase from 8702.465 in 1886, to 8860,395 in 18~7 j and whilst 0'1 these luxuries the revenue has increased it will no doubt be gra· tifying to the members of the House to find that in the year 1807, 1,207,284 gallons only of spirits and wine were im ported against an importation of 1,400,690 gallons of the same commodity in the year beforo, and that the revenue therefrom in IH86 amounted to 81,9 t 1,601, whereas in 18S'7 the yield was only $1,700,076, showing conclusively that the temperate habits of the people are gaining grouud.
Let me add that this conclu3ion is borne out by the report of my hon.

friend the Minister of Inland Revenue.

In 18d7 the quu.ntity of spirits taken for con~umption was 2,864,935 gallons as against an average of 3,376,410 gallons for the I take the average of the two previ two years preceding.
ous years, inasmuoh as the quantity taken for consumption in tbe year 1885 was abnormally large owing to an antici pated increase of duty, and the figures for 1836 are smailer in consequence, The average of the two years is fl:l.ir and just for comparison.

The revenue {rom sugar of all kindH shows an increase in 1881 of over 8800,000, the amount of duty collected thereon in 1886 being 82,303,397, and in 1887, $3,167,528 j on wool the duties increased from 82,499, 246 in 1886 to 83,1'T6,741 in 1887.
Coming to matters of Excise we estimated that the yield from this source would the yield was be about 86/0,10,000.

As a matter of fact 86,308,~0 1.

This increase is accounted for by the fact that an exceptionally large quant;ty of spirits was entered prior to ht July, 1887, when the provieion of the Inland Revenue Act came into operation respecting the enforced ware housing of spirits for two years prior to sale.

Sir RICHARD CARTWRIGHT.


Does that $6,300/000 include simply the spirit aDd beer and tobacco duties under the head of Excise?

It includes all Sir CHARLES TUPPER.

the excise duties, and the increase is due to the change that was made in the Excise Act, which requires spirits to be a~ed for two :years before going into consumption, and which induced a very large amount to be taken -out of Excise previous to the end of the year.
In miscellaneous items there was a slight decrease, but the Post Offioe showed an increased revenue of over $1OU,OOO, and in Public Works, includin~ railways, there ia an increase of about 83()0,IiOu.

We estimated that the year would be 835,600,000, leavin~ an estimated deficit of 8300,000.
The actual expenditure for the year was very close to the esti· mate, being' only an excess of $57,860, and the estimated deficit of $300,000 has been turned into a surplus of In view of the statements made last year the 897,313.

Government cannot, I laying an think, be accused of before the House when we over-sanguine statement realisations.

the compare the expenditure for estimate with final the Sir CBAaL:I!

TuppD.

revenue from this I now come to the probable result of the year 188'7-88.
Having explained to the House the result of the operations of the last fiscal year, I have now to ask their attention to the probable expectation of the present year.

It will be recollected that in the last budget speech I stated that the total revenues expected to be realised for the fiscal year 1887-88, 836,400,000, made up as follows :-CostomB, 822,500,000; Excise, 86,400,000; Miscellaneou!il, 87\500,000.
Taking first the Cuatoms revenue, I may state to the Hou~e that during the year we have experienced a series of ups and downs.

It might have been thought likely about last Christmas that the revenue from Customs would not rdalise what was anticipated.
and this might have been justified from the fact that, as has been before mentioned, the revenue from that source exceeied expectations in 1886·87 by about 8300,000, no doubt to a great extent owing, a8 before stated, to duties having been paid in advance of the alteratious made in the tariff last Session.
But after Christmas the revenue from Customs began to recover itself, and on the 10th March the amount reoeived exoeeded the amount re ceived in the correspondin~ period of the previou8 fiscal year by 8100,000.

Since 10th March the revenue from this source has again dropped, and I regret to inform the House those to the 20th April, the that up to the latest returns, yield from Customs, as compared with last year, has fallen off 8227,000.
As the total source in 1886-8'7 was 822,378,000, I do not think it would be right to calculate on a greater revenue than 822,000,000, although we may hope that the early spring may tend to the revival of business and that a possible increase of reve nue tnay again be our portion during the latter part of the fiscal year.

But I have mentioned before I do not think it would be advisable to calculate on a greater yield from Customs than 822,000,000.
The Commissioner of Inland Revenue has informed me within the last few days that the amount that will be received from Excise revenue will be slightly in excess of the 86,450,000, and we may estimate from tbis source a revenue of $6,410,000.

The estimate of Miscellaneous Revenues has been revised by the officers.

of that from the the Finance Department, and it is thought various sources formin~ that revenue the amount likely to be received will be $7,550,000.
The total estimated revenue for the current fiscal year will therefore, we believe, be in the nei~hborhood of 836,000,000.

Coming to the expendi it will be seen that Parliament ture side of the account during the last Session granted supply which with the sta· tutory expenditure amounted to $35,969,981.98.

As hOll.

members are aware we have brought down estimates in addition thereto of 81,1l2,OOO.
These two sums would amount to 837,082,000, and taking the uSUll.l savings into account in the estimates, and these last year amounted to 8100,000, I think it expendi' ture will be in round number~ $37,000,000; and I the estimated receipt'l will have already mentioned that be about 836,000,000. the House should take into &ooount that in the year 1886-87, a.~ I have informed the House in the finanoial statement I made last year I anticipated a deficit of '300,000.
In reality this has been tnrned into a surplus of over 897,000; and it is but right to estimate that this sum of 8400,000 was paid in in anticipation of 1887-88.

With respect to the probable result of this year I consider that this fact should be taken into account, and having due regard to economy in the expenditure, I trust that the accounts for the present and coming year, taken &8 a whole, will b&lanoe.
I come now to what will probably be the resuits for t~e year 18~8-89, I am inclined to think, from the general ten dency of trade, that the merohants of Canada will be care ful in the matter of importations, and that it is not likely that there will be any material increase in the amount of importations over those in the last and in the present fiscal year.

To be within bounds I put down the Cl18toms reve- It is but fair, however, is very probable the that 1888.

COMMONS DEBATES.
COMMONS DEBATES.

1033 a than Public to the keop the I, therefore, put before them tbe the current year.

to a cel taln extent E~timates possible Generally, howevor, is 135,421,44:0.22, but, as two years, they calculate that expenditures of cnchavored to to the variations compared with the Estimates asked for Due likely to be received 88 '~2,500,000, being '500,000 in explanation8 of whioh will be supplied in due course.
The excess of the estimates for I am in- other large increase is 8290,000 in the service for Railways formed by the officers of the Inland Revenue Department and Oanals.

Thil:!

amount is made up by the 83,10.000 ra revenue 88 com· quired in the increased cost ofrepairs and working expenses that, under the present condition of their pared with the 188t the of the Intercolonial railway.

On tho other hand tbe Immi.


Excise yield for 1888-89 may safely be placed at 86,650,000. gration vote has been reduoed by 8LOO,OOO, being the esH.

A8 regards Jrliscellaneou8 I have informed the HouBe that mated 8avin~ in the general immigration expenses owing the revenue estimated to be received from this source to the abolition of aRsisted pas~age8 and other cau~es.

The If we £20.000 sterling (897,000), the contribution of Oanada to during the present fiscal year will be '7,550,000.
add to this 8um the normal increase of revenue likely to be the Imperial In~titut6 havin~ boen pllid, is of course dropped.

derived from the Post Office Depa~tment I think we can The Publi(} Works in the vote u~kej for 8hows a decrease 8afely estimate that the "evenue from miscellaneoulJ sources, of 8735,000, but I am afraid this vote will bo supplementcd tho Estimates during 1888-89, will reach $7,75.0,000.
revenue from all 80urces at 836,900,0\)0. have been framed with tbe full desire to ad'i as little 8"4 down the total the Hon.

members have had and country, to utolk 10r IJotbing for the Public Service for 1888-99; and art, owing to the the Government have new departure, many votes have already been taken into more Servioe Buffi ',iont in a state of effioiency consistent with eoonomy.

Hav.
Hav.

account and explanations ~iven in regard thereto, it will hardly 'be neoessary to offer any very extended ob~erva· ing thus explained to the House to the best of my in the estimated expendi- ability the probable outcome fOl the oomin~ financial year, tion8 as in I will uow, with the permission of the House, direct ita ture &8 Supply last Session.

The amount of the Estimates now attention for few minutes to the Debt Account.
By laid before Parliamet hone the monthly statements published in the Oanada Gazette, members are fully aware, no sums have been placed in the whioh show fully the financial position of the country, it Estimates for mail subsidies and bteamship Bubventions.

will be noticed that, at the present moment, we are in debt That question was laid aside in order that we might I:{ive in England for temporary acoommodation to the extent of more careful consideration to it than we could give before £1,000,000.
Since May last the country has experienced & the main Estimates were brought down.

There will, there- certain amount of financial stringency, and one of the reo three banks have ceased to transaot fore, have to be added to the amount already brought down suIts has becn th;lt sums snfficient to cover these services, aod further amounts business.
The past summer was one of unusual heat and in the Province of Ontario, and the harvest was will undonbtedly be 8.8ked from Parliament in the Supple- drought mentary Estimates to complete the services of the year; not up to the average.
The same caUBe has operated the extensive lumber industry, and on account or but I believe that taking all these into account at the close against the lowness of the water, timber which had been cut and of the year 1888-89, hone members will find the statement I have made verified, that having re!

{ard to the results of which lay in the stream.., could not be made marketable.
the operations the years 1887·88 and 1888·89 the This has caused a certain drain on the resources of the balance for the two years will maintain an equilibrium.

banks in order that the legitimate requirements of those It is but right to mention some items in the expenditure engaged in the industry should bo provided for.

But likely to be incurred next year which show variations and against this we have occ88ion to be gratified by the splen.

which call for remarks.


The interest on Public Debt I:!hows did harvest in Manitoba and in the North, West.

Still it must an increase of '116,000.

This increase, &8 will be seon by be borne in mind that we were going ahead rather too reference to the Estimates, In our oitieR, and especially in Toronto, there amount '63,000 required.

for the Savings Banks in conse- hus been a certain amount of foiplmutation in real cRtate.
quence of the increased balances held by the depositors on However, by the exercise of eoonomy and prudenoe, the 31st December, 1887, and by the probable amount O:4nllda wllJ soon recover from the present stringency; ber trade is, I am sati~fied, Bound at the core, and will soon re required to meet further indebtedness, 8250,000, less inter· in round numbers, 8200,000.

We turn to its normal condition.


At the commencement of the est on loans maturing, have also asked for an incre88e of 868,000 in the invest· fiscal year the Government, chiefly in deference to the that amonnt being required to banking community, lowered.

the limit of deposits in the ments for Sinking Funds, meet additional dividends requiring to be invested.
The Savings Banks, and fixed the amount to be received from votes for Civil Government have already passed the House, any depositor to be 8300 in anyone year, and 11,000 in all.

and explanations have been already given of the increase Originally, the Savings Bank deposits were unlimited; a of '32,000 therein, and al80 of the increase of $14,000 in reduction was then made to 810,000, and afterwards this the Administration of Justice.
In Pensions and Superannu8- was again brought down to 83,000; now the limit is, as I largely made up of have eaid, 81,000.

The effect, however, on the Government tion8 there is an increase of 821,000, pensions to officers who have been retired owing to abo- Savin 17s Bank deposits, has been that some ofthe larger de lition of their offices, and to a great extent this increase is p08its~held by the Government have been withdrawn, and offset by savings in other branches of the service.

My hon.
My hon.

have gone to 8well the general businoss of the country by friend the Hinister of Militia and Defence will explain the transfers to the banks where enhanced rates 01 interest increase in his services, mainly in the cavalry and infantry were offered.

The deposits in the Post Offioo Savings Banks schools.
In railways and canals (income) t~ere is an incre~e show an increase, and if we sat one side against the other, of '78,016, of which '45,000 is for overhaulIng the foundatIon the Savings Bank balances, since the 1st July last, are of the St.

Ours lock, and the balance is made up chiedJ: for nearly stationary, the deposIts equal expenditure on the WeIland canal and the Trent Hiver to be increased in a navigation.
The Lighthouse 8ervice requires an additional congratulated that expenditure of '10,000; showing maintenance and repairs to lights and '4,000 in the salanes that employed and adequately paid.

In }[isc~llaneoU8 To illustrate this I may 8~te that the number of depositors and allowances of the lighthouse keepers.
there is an inere88e of 155,000 made up by the lDcreaeed in the Post Office Savings Bank on the 31st March laat, cost required for the government of the North-West Terri- were over 100)000, an increase of over 10,000 since the tories, the expenditures at the ~a~ff Park, and th~ plant 30th Jnne 188t, and the number of depositors in the other the Government :pnntmg office and bmdery, savings bank~ under the control of the Finance Depart- required for .ao '6,000 of this amount being ~or marked manner that ling the withdrawals.
is chie8y made up by the quickly.

from the poorer is to say, Still, the deposits have the country is cla!808, labor fully for is 1034 C01tI1IONS DEBATES.

APRIL 2"1·, It, ment, increaeed from 56,000 to 57,00:1 in tbe same period.

the Savings Bank balances is The stationary character of not to be put down to any withdrawal of capital from the cou~try; these moneys have undoubtedly, for the reisons before stated, gone to the banks, and have been placed in other investments.
The Government are of opinion that, in the Savings Bunks, the by lowering the limit of deposit funds thus set 100Be, eased the strain on lhe banks til lough out the country, and had the effect of mitigating the etringency.

As a result, however, or the stationary char· acter of these balances, the.
capital expenditure of the country, to a large extent, has had to be met out of the ordinary revenue, and the Government have been obliged to have recourse to the English market, and have borrowed 10 the extent already named.

The million pounds sterling, which I have already stated, was borrowed in England, represented the amount that we expected to receive from therefore, becomes noccsf"sry, to our own depositors.
complete the capital expenditure, a8 shown in the Esti mates submitted to Parliament, and to pay the several sub sidies to the various rtlilw,IJ", u!'

Iletailed in the Public Accounts, thaL further.

borrowing powers 8hould be authorised, and a Loan BiB will be introduced hereafter, when it can be definitely ascertained how much the Govern.

ment will have to place on the market.


But I am glad to inform the Houso and the country that the Government have determined, for the present, with unimportant excep tions, to stop any fUl'ther outlay on Capital Account beyond to which the ('ountry is now committed.

Hav· that I ing so far dwelt on the financial aspcot of Oanada, 'Would verJture to detuh the Houso by showing, to the best the tariff changes of 1887 have of my ability, how far affected the Canadian iron industl y.
It is well known to the outset murh hostile criticit'm waR the House that at provoked in England.

No doubt this was because our position at that time was not clearly understood.

But owing to the explanations made, and owing' to a fuller con sideration.

of tho Canadian fiscal policy Rdopted Einco 1879, hostile oriticiAm has bAen greatly modified, and gtmel'ally speaking, that portion of tbe Britip,h press which deals with financial interests.
now view in a friendly spirit our efforts to develop, on Canadian l'ioi I, tbo Rtores of minrl'ul wealth within OUI' hordors.
Of courr:;u, ullhough muel.1 has been done, yet sufficient time has so far not elap~cd to de· monstrate fully the eflect~ ufihe new tariff, the Act having virtually corne into opol'ution nt tho begimling of the pre 8ent fiso!tl year, as the Fpeoial prOVision for tho admisbion ofgoods at the ()Ici rate of duty up to the ~Olh of June, was fully taken advantage of, and in many respects the require It may be further ments were to Bome extent, anticipated.
meniioned that the amount of cfilJitallequired for the pro duotion ofiron from the ore, is so large, that great develop ments cannot be expected in a short space flf time.

A~ hon: me~bers kl:OW, time is the e88ence of a bargain, anJ 18 cautIOUS and vety slow to inove in flew oapital nelds ofenterpl b,e.

Confidence in the permanency of OUI' ~tioal pol~oy id a further rc-qui~ite before capital can Lc lDvested In tho development uf the large works roquired to build up the irou iLJ(h:Mtl·ie@.
And here I may ~tate, to show how fuIly our neighbors are alive to the neoessity of a permanent poli('y, that in the Mills HiH, now before (.Jon gress-that il:l, the Bill intl'oduced into t.he House of Ropre sentatives by the chairman of the Oommittee of Ways and Means, and which embodies the policy of the Administra tion, and of the.

great democratic party in that country the iron and steel dutieR are touched with a spariog hund.
And the 8ame thing is to be observed WIth regard to the measure illtroduoed, in the Hoa8e of Representatives by Mr. Randall, whereby no material reduction in tbe daties on iron and steel is proposed.

The course pursued in the pro posed revision of tb~ taJ'iff shows a fixed determinat'ion.

otJ.

the part of our neighbors to the south, to continue ~n eftlcient Sir ~1IA.~LI8 TUPPER.

In the pr0 measure of protection to that great industry.
the Utiited States lead every duction of iron and steel country in the world, having obtained this position aflet 26 years of uninterrupted protection.

The changes under either of the proposed Bills leave the iron arid steel duties largely in exceRS of the present Canadian rates.

Mr. MilTs under hi"!

Bill, estimates the teduction of duties on iron and !

'teel at Sl,OOO,<JOO, exclusive of '5,706,43i dutie~ received last year on tin plate, proposed to be transferred to t~e free list.
Of this reduction of 81,000,000, neatly 130(1,000 is on 8teel rails, leaving 8700,000 for other articles.

Beparat.;.

ing tin plate and steel rails from the other iron impdrts, we find the imports of "iron and steel and their manilfac tures" into the United Statea for the year ended 30th June last as follows:-Value, 832,'136,976; duty, 814,165,18itj showing' an average rate of duty of 431 per cent~ .

Dedilct ing 8700,000 from this duty, as proposed,the average itlte is 41 per cent.
Fro~ tbis it would appear tbat apart from tin plate and steel rails the redtlation in duties on iron and steel and their manufactures is only from 431 per eent., as to 41 per cent.

as now proposed.

Taking the formerly, whole importatioIls of iron and steel and their manufactures into the United States and entered for home cOIIsumption for the year ended 30th June last, the average Jate of Ous and a1towin« toms duty was 41 per cent.
ad valorem, the redaction of duty proposed under 81,000,000 for the the avera~e rate bf Customs tiuty on tJre8am~ Mills Bill, import.ation would be 39 per cent.

ad valorem.

On tbe the average rate of Customs duty on iron arid other hand, stoel ulld their manufactures imported into (JtH18da fJr horne consumption for the year ended 30tll June last ~lle 171 per cent., and for the nine months ending distMarcb, 18~8, under the amended tariff, the average tate tif duty on these articles has beon 2~:!

per cenr.
per cenr.

ad valotem.

Comp1\r.

ing tho United States CustomR tariff on all goods imported for home consumption with the Canadian tariff on sImilftr far the yeS:1' imparts, ended 30th June, 1887 : the Trade Returns show this result Average rate on Uriited State'l iiJrpc1rtS..... 31i per em.

ad .tJlor,m.

Average rate on Oanadian imports....•....•.


2li" " " Comparing dutiable articles und~'r the United StstesCtie toms tadft' with the same articles under the Csnadian tariff, the 'l'rade Heturns for IB86·87 show the averAge dti.ty on United States imports for home consumption to be 47 per cont.

ad valorem against an average of 28!per caH.

ad valorem on Canadian imports for the sanie period.
Undar the Mills Bills the aversgoe Custorri8 rate~ on dutiable articles, based on United States imparts for hotneOd'n811m-p-' tion for 18B6-87, is estimated to be 43t per ~e1lt.

arl1Jdldte1fi; the amol1ded Oan8dian tariff fOr tli~ niJi" whilst nr;der months ended 31st March, 1888, the a.verage Cnstottia .J'8te8 on dutiable articles entered lor bdme consumption lias Wen.

I mrgbtMao remark, before ge 31i per cent.

ad valorem.
ad valorem.

iog into details, respecting the iron dnties, that in additi8il to requiring time and in addition to the necetJtoity of'having a permanent "Poliey we have to overCOMe the oP'Pdsition 01 tho8e interested in the handling ana manufs'cmre of th fOreign product.
But, Sir, the people ()f tJanadahave faith indtiBtfieB conft!r on tbe in tbe advantageB which local country, and oar people of every shade of p&litiC8 bav., showlJ DnmiRtakalily the importance tb&y attaoh to 'tie' nftidbie8& operation of active home indUBtTy by with which arid cash bonuses are offered to start new entetpriSti!l W lOcalities.
provide industrial employment With theEJe introdacf.ory remarks, I may ssy, ri8 I 8'ha.H show in the details which I shall 'lay before the H6'U8e; thnt the action taken laErt year is endorsed by the represeMti.. tiVe8 of fb~ prmcipill plate aDd bar rolting mills; who eXp1'e8A'their 8sti8fdction wftt\ the pP6ge'liti tfttff' ~ .w1mI6, and with its wotking.. the from t-aXeEt tt) gffejii· a"..

It is 'tit11ntetit16tJ.

in the several exemptio'tl siles, free 1288.

COMMONS DEBATES.
COMMONS DEBATES.

1035 /I II Cl t II f J.,D $) th th ~ t •••• •••• that 'ff' th t ~............... ..Feo/~a!y, ean In the country, at 188;8 only ~........ hTh by t 0 oompany.

the contract prices for now come 0 .

e e eo 0 Number of men employed DiilbUl8~mt'nt~t~)r 1881 ,while the additional duty, 1885 111 •••••••• ~ or ~, UI86........ $I 188'1 u the market pric(8) cau£ed by the!

is stated, point fo nn eady i\!

'l'tl.n~crncnt fOl' tho I'roetion of connt of the effect on.
changes made last year In the t~u'iff, and it may 8ul"!wi:;e I larg-o iron WJl'ks ill IItwint,; thus hl'idly loeJlity.

40Il.

~U1perBtD be told that the effect ot the tal'iff on reforred to the [lOW di~covcries lUlU tCl thu work" that helve ~rket prices or iron bas been to make a small increase, been org:lni~ed.

it Iteeomlls a.ll'lo my pttltl~ing dut.y to F<how ~n~ DO~ 19 the fuJI extent of the inCreaS6(1 duty.
I Pl'OPOflO to tbe Houso h(lW the indul'ltl'{6'l in oxitllor!eo prior to tho 19 tako, by war of illustration, tho value of wurants in change il1 the t~:-itf b:1VO been oxpanded, ami (.f th is ('Xpllll G~ow, that bew#C the best g8Jlge of the general level of 8ion and pro;.

{l·e88 thero it:!

aJreudy sobsUllltial cvidenoe.


~~~}rap market, and &8 at Glas~w prices were pretty even The toundrie~, mucbino Bhop~, brid~c works ar.d kin ~P.~lp'~ Feb~rf and December, 1887,1 will take th"'so months dred factories throu~hout tbe Dominion have beon lull,r lo~ comparison.

'Taking pig iron, the price in Cunada wa'J employed la~t yeal' tind havo I'hnred in tho ~encl'al pro!'

on~y f!

?,m"l to '1.25 pf3r ~~ ton higher in December perity.
There can bo no question bat the goncl'al efl'~ct of ~1f!1 tho new iron duties hil.~ ooon to titimuhlte hume iuduBtf'iCl'l, indi- and will c~use the great bulk'of OUI' iron to be prLxlucod in WhlCq.

tQQk eff~t 1st July, waa 82.24 per gross ton, eating that th~ foreign maker, carriers and importers, &c., the not dit'itnnt future.

At Londonderry h~~ rp.ade a con~el!


!s~on ot about 81 to 8 L~5 per ton to retain the wOlks of tho St.eel Company of Oanada, which have In other words, the consumer paid fally one· boen in liquidation for Mome ye:lr~, wuro af}quired at the the trade.

half the amount of duty contributed to tha revenue.
As end of ..F'cbruary last by a now compnny of .Knghtlh and t~b,~r iron, the pri~e was as foHows ;-In February, 1887, C~nadi8n capitaliiits) who propo.so runni.og tbem to their in December, 18~7, 8L.85 to flIlt capacity and extenuing tOOIl' operatIOns.

Ono of the 'l.iQ to 11.65 per ~OO lhs.


; f190 .per LOO}os., showing an advance of only 25 oents per Ismelting furnace~ whicb f:'uddenly gilove out i~ January is 100 lbs., whIle the extra duty was 45 oents per JOO Ib8./ undergoing repaIrs, and tho otbel' furnace whleh has been As to cut-iron WAter pipes, the sitont Since 1881, is being rekindled.

These furnaces have a capacity fur turning out 25,000 ton !

'I each of pig iron Corporation of Montreal averaged a8 follows:- per nnnum.
Puddled iron bars in considelftlJle quantities wero manufaotured la8t YUlor e for labor atfvrded in Deoember, 1887, at the employmcnt works shows an increase of more than 50 percent.

over tbe 1:11e corresponding month in the previous yeul', as will appear .8.60 per groBS ton.

It" 26.21 33.14 32.10 lit half year, 1887.

22,206 '1,112 30,'33 9,6l3 2nd h&1fyear, 1887.

28,858 8,'148 d,Ol' 9,886 2,128 1',4:70 ,,~ ao .


fuel, flux, otuer materili18 and freight, representing laborindtrectly employed...... VAlue of product Ore mined Limestone used ".. Coal (inclu·Hog coke) used PiK iI'un made Pn1riled hflT:!

HfH iron, N. plate axles, etc .l:;crap bar Outings &ltb,ough the in.crease in duty hAs been 83 per ton.

Montreal corporation water pipes for 1888, above referred by the following statement: to, have been~ontractedfor, nnd are to be made in Canada from-'(Janadian are.
The increase of price over tbe average for 1885 and 18E6 is thus about ht\Jf the increase in duty.

I .

1 e exp ora Ions m~e·i8·.to newn~lds (or the development of this industry, Clnd I JUll glad 10 be able to state that very extensive and y;aJuabJe d~posit8 of hon ore have been discovered in the I Product and operatIOns at vjcinitY.ofPort Arthur, Ontario, and on Hunter's Irlland ~ar tn,e boundary line.
When the Thunder Bay Coloni· ijJltjQD "Raihvay reaches these points the opening up of theEe depoBjt~ will be ·facilitated.

South of the Canadian Pacific Hailway crossinll of the Seine River, about 100 miles w~st I of Jrurt William, an immense depoi'lit ofbigh grade Bcssem(lr iron ore b~ beon discovered.

It is said to be the largest and purest body ofol'e ever found in America.

rrho oro is n blatk JIl~netic oxide and analyses from 62 to 70 per conti of m.\) ,t~Hic iron.
·Having briefly noticed tb 0 effect of the changes JO the tai'fff as shown in the new discovcrieR,1 will now trouble the'l{ouse for afew moment8 to point oat what hag peen done 'in the Dominion towards the organisation of now iron Workli.

'rhe Bri8tol Mine in the county of Pontiac, (luebec, Which had been closed for a time, has boen recently ae .quil',od by a company who ha~e bee~ employing about 300 .ip,en around the mine.
RoastIng kilns have been erected ~o~ ~lcini-';lg .the or.e~ but operations .have been.

~n~rrupted R<eiD9mg th~ c.omple.tlOn of ne~ded ra~lw8Y ~acIhtte8.

The ;v~nOU8 indIVIdual lntere8ts In the non mIDe8 along the I~iie 'of the' Kingst<;>n· and Pembro~e Railw~y, have.

been consolidbted 'into one company WIth suffiCIent capItal to o~ate .them.
Some of the ore 8hipped from t~i8 district At New Glasgow the recent to.G,bicago has beeQ"pronounced by e~pert8 to be thepn~eBt effect of largely incre88ing tho 8ales of iQ.r~evo;r rucch'e~ t.J;1,ere,the percentage of ph~sp~or~u8 bemg Steel Company, as the following statement shows : extremely low'.

1 aminfo.rmed that rreltmmarles have ., been,arranged for the erectIOn of a bl1iElt furnace at Tron· ~~~~~~~~~~.~'~~.~'~I~lJ~'o~a;Tl~'~'·=W~~=IF:R.ai~·l===' r:f:.'
rrei;:l ton, and in th.e iren districts of c~p.0 Broton aDd ~ova I ~~g:l S~iJ:::'."

Co.· Scotia:agood deal of exploratory work ha~ been d~ne.

The i ~ _ 1. ns $ 6~146bli &,6:'1 $ 26'30°1$ 13,12a .has ,attracted mad,ced att::n.tlOn, havm~ b~en .

July 1st~.

:l18t, lmi6.

Pi(~wu fiqW.

.visitedby .jLmemller of one of the leadmg firms of ~n~.lr8h July lat to Dee.

Zlst, 1887.\ 2,7H I U3,400 10,46~ 17,aa3 .ir.Q.n~~ ~~ ~y represen~a~ive8 of other cSJ)1tal18tB, l3 pr.et.

32 pr.ct.
32 pr.ct.

6~ pro ct. 92 pr ct. 86 pr.ct tor.. , on Jeh.\' of .lrV,D .a .iav~ ~~; ~d ne&0tu.tioJli now in progress, It The orders now in hand are greater t.han t.he entire ship m.enta for the .luet tU.x mOllthij of 1086.

T~e company hu The number 01 operatives on Londonderry pay-roll, Marcb, lBif.

343 1888.

860 tariff changes have h~ t~e the 'NO.va ScOtia Ton•.

do do do do ,..... do do do .t~e ,o.r~.

~~ 8i~ation Wage!!
~~ 8i~ation Wage!!

paid to employos Paid for fuel........ reportmg the manufacture the iron works, Londonderry, lim", sundries railway freight $lOO.

'100 .

61,000 8,007 8,000 86,94:' Wages to employes from March, 1888 $70,000 29,11(0 6,8,0 6,000 46,686 Dec. 1886.

Dec. 1887. oreB have made the quahty .of .6%.. amlDlDg loerease in 1887 Disbursemen ttl.

$16,'700 '7,600 $16,000 ;.

:1\1, bOO .pu~()Be Pa.rticula.rI. '

$Ui8,OOl Increa.s6 $336,651 ~~ 1887: Total.

34,900.
34,900.

Tlu and and the for al1 600 of 300 ".. " II ,~.

t" ,.

_ .

II .1 II U , · , " 1036 COMMONS DEBATES.

APRIL 27, been conRolidated with the Nova Scotia Forge Company, and arrangements made for the addition of a new smelting furnace, whieh will double the output of the Ste61 Works ~nd will mean a disbur~(>ment of nearly 8250,000 a year tor wages, fuel and railway freight.

At St. John, N, B , reports from the Cold Brook R Jlling Mills are to this effeot.
I quate from a Jetter received from the President of the Company: " By the operations of the tariff, the imports of iron now are Ifs9, con· •equently our output now is proportionately greater,and the benefit to the manufacturer rests on a la.rge turoover on 81D"n mar~iD8, W. are able to sell our goods to the merchants at lower fiJ{ures than they could be imported for previous to 1886."

rolling present, for oompleted car work, their There were, It appearfl, flO per cent.
morc men employed in the Rolling Mills in 1881 than in any of the years 1884, 1885 or 1~86.

At Montreal, Pillow, Hersey & Vo, have conyerted themselves into a jJint stock company with a capItal of 8800,000, and the Oanadian Pacific Railway Co., oontemplate the erection, during the season of.

a. shop and when passenger thIS 18 of stock of all every de~cription will be made in the country.
The com pany built 24 locomotives in 1886 and 24: in 1887; and t.h('y have not purchased any looomotives outside of Canada since October, 1884, excepting two special ones for the mountain grade.

All of their freigbt cars for lSeveral years back have been built in Canada, and practically all of their pa8Benge~ cars are, n?w built in Canada, exceptin~ some of the sleepIng and dIDIDg cars.

The Montreal Rolling Mills Company have added to the capacity of their bar Bnd platc mil!s by running night and day.
1887 was the fil'st year durlDg which the bar mill was ron at night, and last year they worked 10,000 tons of iron of all SQrts and uBed about .

They have recently put in an exten 1.0,000 tons of.foel.

SIve wroug~t Iron pIpe plant embodying the latest improve ments, which can turn out 6,000,000 feet of piEing per annum, using up 4,000 toniJ of material to do BO.

The new pipe mill is running day and night.


A German firm from l?asseldorf have deoided, as I am informed, to ereot exten· 8n~e works for ~e manufacture of wrought.iron pipe and boIler tubes, WhICh will be a new manufacture in this country.

At Kingston, important ohanges have taken plaoe in the locomotive works.

Messrs. Dubbs & Co" of Glasgow, one of the largest manufacturers of locomotives in the Kingston loco Great Britain, have invested in motive wo!ks..

They.
They.

now manage and them, control and hav~ In VIew theIr operation on a larger Bcale.

At H~mIlton, as one effect of the recent tariff changes, an estabhshment has been erected capable of givin,' employ ~ent to 400 hands in the manufaoture of wood s~rcws, car rIage bo,ltB and t~e like..
In cast-iron pipe manufacture at Hamllton the Immediate result of the tariff has been tha~ the Canada Pipe Foundry has been steadily employed dnrmg the past season, and will soon necessitate its increase to double the present oapaoit,y.
The Hamilton Bridge Oompany report: U We Ule iron of local manufacture very largely, and find it of at lea~t equal qU~ity to that imported, and the price, as far &8 our ex pen.nce goes, IS reasonable and not 80 high as the full tariff increa.se 'Wou~d,warra~t,We al80 ha.ve Jhe great advantage of ordering and obtauung thll .material when wanted, and without having to lay in our .tocks."
Burrow, Stewart & Hilne, of Hamilton, aay : CI We are using half of all the iron that we run of Oanadian make, and find the qUality first-rate, .A..

1."

The Ontari~ Rolling Mill Company report with regard to the new tarIff : " We are now beginning to feel the beneficial effects and expect we .hall be called on by sprin g to make far more iron than ever before.
We shall be able to turn out by sprmg nearly double the tonnage we ever made h~re, We are also ArraDging to start up the mill we bue in LOJldoIl ~Ither the~e or elsewhere, 80 that by Kay we can, if neoee fM1,make In that JDlll about 35 taD.
per dal'" Sir Oau.x.M ~R"" The Hamilton Iron Forging Company say : '" In oor own business we have felt the good effects of the wise and judicious policy of the Governm~nt, notably during the last fOUf months, baviD~ larJ{ely increased our output by mnnina- our furea full time both night and day, ani within the past few days have st&rted pether far nace in our establiE.hment with all the necessary equipment capable of turnin~ out one car load more of fini:?,hed bar iron pi'r day; this 'Will gi'e active t'mployment to 12 skilled men beSIdes day laborers i we have also increased the c8pital steck OfOUf company tor the purpose offnrtber developing th~ businfSS, and in the near future we propose placing in position another mill plant WIth a capacity of 6,000 tons per year• "In Qonelusion we have much pleasure in stating we never heard.
con8umer of iron complain of the tariff chan~e8 ; moreover, we desire to place on record the general feeling and satisfaction expre88ed by them in hliViog their wants supplied promptly at home without baving,.s in the past, to purchase abroad and cary large stoeks and pay cash for them, They can now secure irOD within a reasonable time that at once I{ot's into legitimate consumptioD, thereby giving a he&1thy and vigorous tone to business.
"The continuation of an iron policy wise in its inception and having for its object the development of the mineral resources of this country oovering the whole Dominion of Oanada, meets with our hearty approval, and must eventually lay a foundation broad and enduring that WIll be materially helpfUl to every class of men living between the Adantic and Pacifio Ocea.ns."
As closely connected with the development of manufactories and as an evidenee of the steady progress of the country, it may be mentioned that, in addition to the expansion of the iron industry, the changes in the tariff had a beneficial effect in the output of coal from the mines.

In the Nova Scotia and Cape Breton coal mines the following is a close estimate of the output-I give the totals of Cumberland county, Pictou oounty and Cape Breton : - Onmberland county Mines, tons."
Pictou Oounty )lines, Cape Breton Mines, " " M." 1886.

416,O<lO 369,000 588,GOO 188'1.

469,243 338,050 717,000 Total8 •••••••• 1,373,000 1, 52-&, 29j In 1879, the coal raised at Spring Hill was 92,000 tons; in 1887, the output had increased to 442,000 tons.

A.t this mine 1,400 men and boys are employed, the largest force at any mine in Canada.
Having thus, 1 trust, shown to the satisfaction of the House the effects of the tariff changes on the iron industry, I propose to show what has been done towards the development, and extension of the West India trade.

The West India trade for the past year has been on the whole profitable.

The present prices of fish in the West Indies during the past year would have been con sidered good.
The price has advanced 80 much that our fi8hermen have greatly benefited thereby; and I have no doubt that part of the benefit, though not so much aa wentto the fishermen, acorued to the merchar:.t shipper.

It must be borne in mind that an important factor in the West India It is gratifying to see trade i., the retorn cargo of sugar.
that the recent change in the 8ugar duties, putting the same duty upon all sugars for refining pnrp<>8es according to their polariscopic t~st, has had the effect of encouraging tbe Indies, especially into Nova Scotia.

The importation of West India (including British Guiana Bogar) amounted for the following years, viz.

:- from the WeRt importation of into Canada sugar sugar Year ended 30th June, 1886 cc u 188'l•••••••'" _ •• "............ ••••••••• ••••••••.

•• ••••• •••••• .

Lbs.


69,864,845 51,011,331 Or a decrease of 141 per cent.

j and into Nova Scotia alone: Ye&r ending 30th June, 1866••• _ .

.

II &C 1887 __ "OO'.

Lba.

19,830,113 2t398,201 Or an increase of 23 per cent.

The im portatiOD of sugar from the West Indies (inc1oding British Guiana) into Hal ifax.

amounted tor nine months ending 31st March, iP88, to 33,8~7,455 lbs.
The importation from the West Indies is usually about half as for the quarter ending 30th June, It will much as that of the other three-quarters combined.

thus be seen that the importation of Weat India sugars into the ourrent year will &m01lD~ to more Halitu &lolle for 1888.

COMMONS DEB.~TES.

1037 ., h b .••• ••••• ••••• ••••••• benefit ·••••..· - the general be of much tons were sold to Quebec, TOD•• &'1'0 10,248 ::g~: 64,891 lU.898 165,191 176,512 Year ended December.
1879..... ~:~ ~::~ ::::::.:::'::.::::::'.:::::'.:.:::'~:.

::::::'~.~~:::::::::::::::::::: 1884 1885·····..•• ..•• ••• 1886·..•• than double the importation into Nova Scotia for either of regard as indicated by the quantity of ooal yearly trans ~e two.

p~ing years, and rrobably to as mnch a8 the ported by rail from Nova S'.)otia.

For the several years, Importation Into the whole 0 Oanada for either of the from 18'19 to 1886, the following quantities were carried rears named.
With regard to the conferenoe whioh west by the Intercolonial Railway 1 recently usembled in London on the sugar bounties, I may here .tate that the pro~ abolition of bounties lugar by European Governments, if car· root on beet ried into effeot, would to the ~':;:ta.

:XO:~~.I;n:~.a th~~~ia~ t~~: ~~: ;~e ~:~~ t I d ut, a8 a few night8 sinoe n 188 10 connec Ion WIt Bngar, a debate arose on the general West India trade 1 do Dot think it O?t of place to trouble the House for ~ few mo- .
ments whde I glance at trade of Canada with A8 a further evidence of this we may take the retarn of lind that in Ib78 the total value of the co~l sa~es.

Acoording to the Novl4 Sootia Department of the West Indies.

.MInes 10 18'17, these were 687,065 tonFl, of which 95 U8 imports entered for consumption from all the West Indies was ~1,181,7Z8; and in 1886 it bad increased to $3,249,642.

leaving for all other points 591 '947 lon8 went to Qllebeo, tons.

The upper ProTiDoes aooordingly took 13 per ~ent.


.As WIll be seen from what I have previously said in ref~r.

In 18;6, the ence to the importation ot8ugar for the nine months ended of the whole sales of Nova Sootia in 1877.

3~st March.

last, I oonsider that in the general trade there return of ooalsales was 1,373,666 tons, of whioh 6~8, 76Z wIll be a still further development in the present year.

As leaving for all other points regards the whole trade, both imports and exports, I find 134,904 tons.
It will thus be seen that the Upper Provinoes took 4U percent.

of the whole sales in 1886 against 13 per that in 1818 the total value of these amounted to 84689473 in 1886 to '5,553,892; and when we take into aodount th~ cent.

in 1817.

The returns for 1887 show t.hat tbe sales of development in the importation of Bugar on the one hand coal t?

the P~ovinoe of Quebeo were fi50,85~ ton8 against and tho :exportation of fish and the other produots of the 538,762 tons 10 1886.
For the past year, the Ohief Superin.

coun~ry on the other, it iB more than likely that the total tendent of the Interoolonial Railway reports that the ship.. volaD;le of the trade will increase in the.near fature.

I may ments of refined sugar westward were: mentIon here that the Government, WIth the view of ex· anding the trade of Oanada, have sen t an aaeo t of very con- P 6iderable commercial ability, from St. John, N. B., to in· vestigate the ohanoes of extending our trade with Brazil.
and the Argentine Bepublic; and we hope also.

at no diE- ThIS trade dl~ not eXist ten years ago.

A large inorease i8 tant day, to give an inoreased stimulus to the West India also reported ID the transport of lumber, in the traffio of trade by the establishment of a line of steamers between a fres.h fish to the Upper Provinces, aDd in the live Block Oanadian port or Canadian ports and those countries.
At \ ~U8IDe88, th~ latter entirely in the local business and not this point I In the carrlago of cattle from tbe west for export.

Each ence to our cotton industry.

There are now about 60 000 year f:!ees new brancheR of inter.provincial trade opened up.

bales of raw ootton, in valoe about 83000000 used a~nu.

B~tween the 16th September Rnd the 8th October, 1887, ally in the Domirlion, being an incr~ase'in ten years of 8hlpments of oysters from Point du Cb6ne were: nearly 50,000 bales.
In the Dominion there are now about half a million spindles employing about 9000 hands, with an invested capi~1 of about 88,000,000.'

I am afraid I am troubling the HOUl;e with the details I have already laid beror~ the ~on.

members, bot If I may As further evidence of intor·provincial trade, I dnd that preeu.me.to trenoh .on ~hetr patIence, I propose ~ sho,:w how the freight billed from stations in New Brunswick, on the J!teadily Inter-provl~Clal trade has develop~d In .<Janada.
Intercolonial Railway, and from 8tation8 in Nova Scotia, on From return8 furnIshed by the Intercolomal RaIlway I the Intercolonial Railwayand Eastern Extension was' .

find that the following movements took place in 1818 and in 1887 in p888eDgers and artioles carried both waye: To Montreal II Other Stations on Grand Trunk Railway...... ' I Quebec take the opportunity to make a pas8ing refer- ~?m J4.a 1 atx ••••••••• .. ODe on 83 " ~ " 6,267 Barrels.

88,998 ' .. G6,993 3,143 barrelt.


TotaL 145,918 Tota~ H l'fi F ~ .

, ' II 1887 1880......... 197,774 t~~8.

4'1',142 I .

II f - P •••••• _•• _ '5') 820,000 Increue 1878.

83'1,778 331,170 .8,498 Total freight..... PaueDpn Brls.

Bnshe].

No.

Feet Tons : wood)............ 140,858 } 230, '1(1 522,710 618,967 1881.

713,480 1,OUJ,334 M,781 56,600,000 161,190,000 'lour Grain - Liye stock .............. •••••m Lumber _ )(uu'act~ Other articles (not lllcluding fire 1iO;6ii " or nearly 320 per cent.
The New Brunswiok Cotton M.ills re ort an inorease in I ",,43710 18B1 over 1886, and total8a.eii of '599,~ sa es 0 141 during the past three years to the Upper Provinces.

The Moncton Cotton Mills report an inoreaHe of 812 495 in 188'7 , and total Rales of $366,6:...2 In three years to the Upper Provinoes.

The Halifax O')ttOD Mills report II total sales to the upper Province3 in four years of 8528,- No.

live stock and lumber 400.


The Windsor Ootton liiUs report total ealeR in foor Of the above, in both years, 1Iour, for ex~ years to the upper Provinces of '.37,622.

'l'he Nova Sootia were local, as distinguished from through freight total sales of their port.

freight in 1881 against ii31,1'10 in 1878.


The total inorease prod oct past doring is ~ratifying to note that in of freight in 1887, as compared with 1878, was 608,000 fonr ye81'8, of 1850,478. ton&, and speaking of the proportions between local and every instance the returns show a steady inorease.

Thus the shipments by railway of the product8 of tbe Steel and through freight, the general manager states that Crt88e is about equally divided.
This would give an in- Forge Company in 1887 were lr>5 per cent.

more in value crease of local traffic eqaal to over 300,000 tons in 1~81, as than those ot 1884, notwithstanding the decrease in price of compared with 10'18, or an inorease ot 57 per oent.

The 45 oentB per ton in 1887, as compared with tbe average mOre&B8 in the movement ofpusengers I regard &8 indicative price of 1884.
1D addition to coal, the Intercolonial carried, in 1887, over 6,000 tons of stone, Dearly ~O,OOO barrels of also of increased inter-provincial the artie1el oarried .eetward, Ul.

IfOwth iD tbia trade I plMter, over '6,000,000 1b1.

of !rOD, 18,390 barrell of .A.e regards grain there were 4:10,454 busheld local Steel aod Forge Company report tbe Upper Provinces, It trade.

Taki~ some of ],13J,334 940,144 the in- 1886 over ) .

the to I 10S8 COMMONS DEBATES.

pickled fish, over 3,000,000 lbs.


of fresh fish, 4,250,000 lbs.

being an increase of 33 per cent.

over the preceding y~r, of dried fish, 750,000 lhs.

of cannod ush, and 16,000 barrol" and an increase of 47 per cent.

over 1885.

Hon.

~e~bers of oysters, all for the Upper Provinces.


Besides these, will be interested to learn, 88 a further evidence 01 inter numerous ot.her articles of commerce, 3S well as railway provipcial trade, that the coastin~ tradeqf thewholi~';i>O­ plant and the like, have found their way to the Upper Pro- minion has been steadily increaslug, judging from th~ ton.

: nage employed, until now it is dotJ,ble what i~ was ten yean vinces from the maritime section.

Mr. PATEHSON (Brant).

Has the hon.


gentleman a ,ago, S8 th~ followlDg figures show:- comp;&rative statement of the receipts of the Intercolonial Railway for the pel'iods included in the statements he has .

t ' JUB gIven ?

1877 1878 1879 I will be able to furnish my 18!l0 lH8l.. 188A Sir CHARLES TUPPER.

TODn&ll;e. 8,968,862 11,047,661 13,066,633 14,063,013 --- 15,116,.786 14,'191,064 1883••••••_ 1884 1885 1886 1881, TODD~g~.

J&,683,fi68 16,4Q,JG1 15,94',dl 16,36$,274 11,1513,677 " ~ .

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.

shows vessels coasting thou ht the uestion of inter.

in Ib77 I find that Mr. PATERSON (Brant).

But it does go into it.

Sir CHARLES TUPPER.

hon.

fdend with that.

provUlOlal trade was transceDd~nt In 1m port~nce, and ~hat If hone members will allow me, I will here state to the It would not be nece8~ary to go IOto the questIon of receipts.

House that the chief results of the Canadian trade in 1886.
87 were pretty much as1011ows :-Tbe tqtal exports ex I would be very glad, in di8- ceeded those of the previou.s fiscal y~ar by '4,250,000, cussiug the items in connection with the Intercolonial Rail- being 8 per cent.

in advanne oftbe average of the 20 year~ way, to furnish the information the hon.

gentleman has sug· of Confederation.

The export of the fisheries show au in gested.

It does, no doubt, go into it; but, after all, I must crease of 15 per cent.
over the average of the preceding twenty years, the total a~ount be~.ng 832,O()Q more than in be excused for saying that I think it is a matter of secon- dary importance to the great one of building up a large 1885·b6.

The export from the mines of Canada 6how inter-provincial trade between one section of our country an increase of 13 per cent.

over the average of twenty and another.


We must also bear in mind that there is ayesrs, but a decrease of '150,000 compared with the very large water-borne trad(~, as indicated by the shipping previous year.

The forest export a decrease employed in coasting.

The tonnsge employed in the of 7 per cent.


compared with the twenty years' aver coasting trade between Quebec, Nova Scotia, New Bruns- age, and a decrease of $500,000 compared with 1886. wick and Prince Edward Island in 1887 aggregated I refezred before to the fact that the great drought and the 9,358,735 tons, against 5,32 L, 726 tons in 1877, an increase want of means to get the Ium ber and the material for ita of neady 76 per cent.
Taking the three Maritime Pro- manufacture down the rivers, had a ~eriou8 effeot in cbeck the various ports of tbe section ing our trade in lumber.

The e~port of ag.ricultural pro viDees, saw 12,208 arrivals of vessels, and as many departures.

ducts show an increase of 80 per cent.

over the tweoty That seemed a good business, but 80 vast bas been tbe years' uverage, and an increase of $1,200,000 over the year change that in 1881 those ports witnessed 23,611 arrivals 1886.
The export of animals and animal products sh~w an In 18i7 there increase of 50 per cent.

over the twenty years' average and .and as many departures of coasting vessels.

were 21,323 arrivals and as many departures of coasters in of 82,2uO,OJO over the export of 188'6.

The imports for the whole Gulf and.

Atlantic CO:lbt, and in 1857 the arrivals home comsumption were 8 per cent.

more t.han the average for twenty yearB, and 86,000,000 more than in 1886.

The had risen to 33,330, with as many departures.


Moving all alon~ the coast and river lino, as imports were 88,400,000 more than in the previous total flU up as Montreal, these inter-pro· year.

The imports of woollen manufactures were 2·8 per vincial trade a development they never would have found cent.

more than the twen~y years' avera~e, and .~,500,OOO confined in the limits of thoir respective Provinc..e8.

The more than in 1886.


The imports of cotton were 54 per increase in tho number of arrivals and dep~rlure8 mal'ks cent.

less tban the twenty yearl:l' average and 8~00,OJO less the devel()pment of trade and intercourse that has taken than in 1886.

Tbe total tonnage of shipping employed in trade was 14,000.,0,00, being 130,000 tons more place between thalf ,in 1886 and 16 per cent.
mOl:e t~a,?- tpe twen.ty year8' on St. the is the more marked beeauso it has taken place during average, and, as ton the very ye:lra that the Intercolonial Railway has been in nogeet;Dployed in the cO.fLstJ.Dgtrade wa81~,a()O,OOO tons, being 1,:.00,000 ~~Bmore thin in i8~6 !,nd'~l1J8r operution.

day and night conveying the goods of one part to the other cent.

more than the twenty yeara' average.

Th.etons parIs of the Dominion, fwm the M.aritime.


Provinces to the of freightbroug.ht into and ca.rried out·of HaHfax by ship.

Upper Provinces, and vice versa.

So great has been the ping j~creased 7.3 per cent.

in 1887 a~ compared with lli78.

increase of inter-provincial and of provincial trade) general The shipping oa.rrying c~rg.oes into and from HJ!I,i[ff in internal commerce, that the demand for Qoasting vessels 1887 was 125 per O8I;lt. ~Qr~ .tll~n in lB68.
I[alifax i'i\Cr~ed has gone on increasing until now there are nearly 60 per during the pS8t ten years inth.e ,tonnage of .cargo e&1Tied cent.

more trips made in the year by the cOllsting marine in and out mor.e .t.I;1an a0r.

~ther port, Montrea.lh.a"i~g in of the couutryon the Gillf of ~t.

Lawrence and Atlantic creased 67 per cent.

whIle ~li:t~ in,9rc.~~'3~.

~ent.


(j()ast than ten years ago, and .tbe tonnage employed has Having detain«i ~e House .at some le,ngth ,with' these increased 76 per cent., bhowing the employment of a supe- statistics, whichar,e always very dry, but.

whioh 1 t~ink rior class ot vossels.

In the United States, as hon.


ate not uninteresting, cOliside"ring the great impOrtance we ge,ntlemen who bllve lookod into thili subject at all are, no all at~ch especially to inter-provincial trade, and to the doubt, 8W;lre, fact that Confede.ration has become more than a name, that resulted in diminishing tho enrolled and licensed tonnage in~tejd of its being a Confederation on paper,.So mere union employed in the AtltlDtic cO:ll'ning traJe.
In Canada there by whic J these Provinces are brought under ODe centnU has been found increabing employment for tbe railway and Government, it is found that, notwithstanding some geo for the coasting vessel, the fir:;t showing an increase of graphical diffi\}ultiea from the greaHengLh aDd t.he compara freightcarrhd of Uti per cent.

in tcn years, and the latter, tively narrow 'breadth of our country, a ver-.yrapidiy in jUdging from increased tonnage, of 76 per cent.
As a creasing and a very large trade is grqwing 'tlJ), 8ho.wing the &J;lgle Illustration of the growth of the trade between the I intimate commerc~al relations ~hieh are being established Upper and the Mariti me Provinces, I may state that the ton-.

between one portion of our country and the otOer-I do the port of Quebec from the not intend to detain the House by going over at &Ilylengtb nage of ve:-sdsarrived at the statistics whio~ bear UP9D the year'41 PfOINII, -to:wbioh .
M.a:r~ti,me 'l'hat railway is a continuous coasting ve~sel the ProvinccR by Lawrence HiveI'.

I have said ~efore, the 'tQlar sea and thoso exterIlal Provinces during 1887 was 1931000 development completion the This railway found tons, have the has thc of in Sir CBAaL;as TtJPp;aa. '

.

188& COnION5 DEBA.TES.

I allnded' yelit ago, wb~n m:akitig the financial statement.

I have had prepared by Mr. Johnson a series of diagrams in t~e same torm, thungh I believe somewhat improved, as tB.~~ whioh were.
rre~ented to the HODSO last ;year, ar,d I hAve :had theee p1aoed In the hands 01 every hon.

member, 80 that he ma) ascertain the exact position we are in and tbe progress weare making.

1&.

PATB.a.eQN (Brant).

There are some new tables in ttiil!J.. Sir CHARLES TUPPER.

Yes.
there are some additional tatit~ which I thotight would be of interest to the House as illustrating the subject with whieh I am dealing, and that is; endeavoring to put before the House 6omethinf{ which will giv~ information ,as to the p06ition which the country 00· ciipie~, not only in regard to.a large number of finRflcial qlleBtlons, but also In reference to tbe trade and commerce ana development of the country,' and I have had them put in slidh a form as to attraeL the attentIOn, not only of the members of this House and the people of tho cou[Jtry gen· erally, but of any persons who may be dcsirous to tako an in tbi~ (it.uniry.
Tho tollowing are inorea.sed interest the figures of diagrams referred to:- O:u.mA.

: Federal GroBs Debt with Assets, for Years ended 30th June :- ~'l {OoIifederatioIl created) ~8E$8 .~ ••••••• H • • • • • _ laq~.

( Better terms to Nova.

Scotia) .

1810 (MaIiitoba createJ a Province, debt ,.... admitted, debt $172,090) 18'11,( British (Jolumbia.

.

~ .

$l,666,'2{)0) .•••.••.• H 1872 18.73 (Provincial Debts .•.

859,080) .

, .

assumed, $13,.

.

.


, _ $4,9.J7,O$O) IH74 (Prince.Edward Islaudadmhted, debt "" ••••.•• 1875 .

1876 (hitercolorii~l Railway opened) ..••••••• .

1877 ., •••••• 1878 .

1879 .

1880 (Intercolonial Railway finisbed) .. 1881 (G.P.R.

begun) H!82 .

H:l8i.

1884 (ProTincial Dt'bts assumed,$7,172.297) 1885 (0.

P. R. fil1ished last spike 7th Nov.) 1886 (femporary loan to O. P. R. of 20 millions.

Manitoba.
Manitoba.

debt assumed, $3.31'7,226)......... 1887($10,198,521 a.dded to debt being pur· cha~ money of 6,793,014 acres ot la.nd from O. P. R.) .••..•.• .•.

.. " .

Assets.

Gross Debt.
$ 93,046,0!H $ 1'1,317,410 21,139531 36,602,679 96,896.666 112,361,998 115,993,'706 37,783/96i 115,492,682 122,400,179 37, '186,165 40,213,107 129,743,432 29,69'/970 14r,163,551 15I,66i,401 161,204,637 174,675,834 1'14,957.268 179,483,871 194,634,440 199,861,5:i7 205,365,251 202,1:9 104 242,48<3,416 264,703,691 S2,"38,586 35,655,023 36,653,173 4l,440,525 34,595,199 36,493,683 41,182,852 .-l,465,n7 5L 703,601 43,b92,3f'9 60,3<:0 50S 6lS,~&5,9l5 273,164,341 50,005,234 273,187,626 45,873,611 '" do do do dv 18n (Manitoba created a Province, Uth Jnly, 18'(0) 18n (British Oolumb a admittt>d, 20th July, 1871) 1873 1814 (Prince Edward hland admitted, 1st July, 1873) 1876 ( ~levt'nue Tariff) 1876 1877 1878 1819 1880 (Protective Tariff) 1881 1882 l8S3 1881 1885 1888 1887 do dt> do do do do do - RKLATIVIl1 VALUE of 10 prineipa.l Exports (home Dominiou of Oanada, Fiscal Year 1887 : - 1089 '74, 17!l,618 82,639,663 89,789.991 89,3M,-9.
!8 77.886,979 80,966,486 75,875,393 79,323,667 71,491,265 87911,468 9~,290,813 102,137,203 98/085,804 91.406,496 89,238,361 85,251,314 89,515,811 .

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. '"

prot1uction) (rom Wood and manufacture!

Grains, b!lfley, pells and fluur _...

Animals .. ".... •.• , ..••...• $11,166,530 10,1'101,891 10.4~1.442 Furs and hides ~l~be~~..: :.:.

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: J:~~~'~~ :.:.:::::::~:::..:::::~:::.~.:~:::::::':::::'::::'::::':':'::'::'::::':::.

:::::: ~~:L.::.:.::..,.:.:.

: 1;1!~:m 3,323,0918 ".. .. .

Gold •••••• ....•.
1/017,401 TOTAL Imports into O&nad&, for Years ended 80th June :- 1868 1869........... 1870 (Manitlba created a Provinre) 1871 (I:lritish lJolumbia admItted) 1~72 1873 (Prince Edward Island admitted) 1874 1875.. ..•••• 1976 1877......... 1878............. 1879 1S8\) 1831 1882 1803......... 1884 ltid5 IH86 1887...... .••••• oc................. ...., H... ,.. .•••• ".... "'N~""'"'''''' Total Import.. $ 73,459,6t' 70,416,185 7~,8t4,1l:i9 91:i,ntH,971 111,40,5:.17 128,011, asl J28,'lI3,681 123.070,2l13 93,210,346 99,329,fJ6Z 93.081,787 81,9154,'127 86,41'\9,717 105.330.840 119.419.500 132.:lEJ4,022 1 6,397,013 tC8 !lll,4Rn }()I44.
',61 11 ~.l:l9~, 236 Home (Jon8umption.

$ 71,985,305 87,402,170 71.237,603 e6,917,~g2 107,7<':9,116 127,&14,014 127,404,169 119,618,657 94,733,218 96,310,483 91,199,577 80,341.608 71,782,349 91,611,60' 112,648,iI<!7 123,I:s7,OJ9 108,180,644 102,710.0 9 IN,£02,6>>4 1O~,639,4J8 _ •• ,... OANADA: Importil for H(;ma COD!lumption, divided into Free and Duti.

able, d:Jr1D~ Years ended ::;Oth June:- OAlfJ.;'A.

: Taxation, beillg Customs and Eieise Duties collected, durinp; Years ended 8m June :- Excise.
Oustoms.

••••.

"... ..•..•••.

_......................... l8.8.8 IM9 181() lSv.. ~lf7a_........... 18'1~ .

;....................

••••••••• 18-14 .

;...

_....... •••••••• 1875 i~n6~ _........ 187'1...... ••••••••• 18'18 .•.•• 1879............................... lS80 1881...... lil8~ itt3:L.... 18d( i8EJ6~:::::::.::·:::::::::::.

::::::: 18'6 ..~__ 188'1 __ "... ••••• _.

_ $ 8~02,598 3,'110028 3,619.62:l 4, 295,94ij 4.


'13b,662 4,460,681 5,09,1,90" 6,069,687 6,663,481 4/9U,8~8 4,858,673 5,390,'163 4,23Z,427 6,343,02Z 6,88~,860 6,260,li6 6,469,~69 6,449, lQ3 6,852,905 6,308,301 y' .

Excise J868 per eajlita.


$ '89 ''19 1'05 1'22 1 '31 1'22 1'4.6 1 '30 1'41 1 23 1'29 1'30 1 00 1'23 I'Bi 1'39 }'18 1'37 1'22 1'20 d $ 8,6'18,380 8,2'12,880 9,334,213 11,841,104 12, 787,98Z 12,904,1~ 14,a~5,193 15,351,0 1 U,8Z3,838 12,546 98.~ 12,782,8.14 12,900,659 14,071,343 18,406,092 21,681,570 23,009,582 20,023,890 19,373,502 2Z,378,801 h J 18,93r>,428 403 i 1&70 • __ Free.
••••••••• '..... .••.•••• 18B8 lK69...... " 1870........................... 1871 18'11.................. 1873........ l8'll 1876.. .•.

18764....... .••••.

11l7?

••.• 1878...... 1879 1860..... :8S1........... 1883.; 1883 ..

188!.........................................................

l885 1886............... 1887................................... Oustoms 1868 per Cl1pita.
$~'M 2'42 3'70 8'36 ~ 64 4l'63 "'14 8 96 3 26 ~ 14 S'13 3 11 S'34 ht:PORTS of Iron aDd Steel, snd Ma.DUfs.ctures tbereof, into the D.:iminion 4'23 4'87 5 09 I 1868 443!

1·69................. $ 28,329,610 26,332,938 26,J lCJ,lS1 28,853,130 39.16-1,39'8 156,105,399 61,lfi8,316 41,477,239 3 !,489,873 36,380,518 3',4:.-rZ,988 24,911,6~ 17.li&9,383 19,990,879 26,891,494 31,648,680 28.170,146 29,44:',401 28,fi43,87lS 27,618.

'148 DutiaLle.
'148 DutiaLle.

$ 43.656,696 41,069,34'd 4/1,127,423 60,(,94,362' 68,645,718 7i,4l9,196 76,2>6,853 78,141,432 60,243,346 60,919,960 119,776.089 65,430,012 54,182,967 71,6:0726 f:5,7~7.433 911i88,339 80,010,498 7&,:l6~,6l8 70.668,819 78/120,679 _...... ••.•• .•. "

for Home ConsumptioD tor yeal'S :- . '


$ 8,~85,365 7,~85,780 '1, :00,867 lO,SO~,645 15,;;13,179 26,435,020 20,700,387 ~;:9~:;~~; 11,082,8tl 1878 1879 UltlO.................. ....• 1881......... IHa2 1883 1884 ••••__ 1885......... 1886......... 1881 ".... _ • , $ 9,398,30$ 7,96a,~9lS 10,121'(,60() 12,96/),1:11\6 17,499,488 30,080,274 14,790, 7a1 11,415,713 11,(;53,366 13,69I5,O~ 4 04 •.

09.1872 1871...............

I 1873......... !


HiH To\'.6.L ExpDrts of Oattadafor }==.:::::::::.::.:.:::::.:.~::::.:.:::::::.

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::.$ ~::~t:~ :i~~t::::·:.:::::.::~.

:::::: ears ende 30t una :- ,...... .•••••••• '13,'5'13,490 1871...... .••••••••••••••••• Ind~ .,••••' , ]040 COMMONS DEBATES.
APRIL 27, D1800U)I'1'8 given by the Ohartered Banks of Oanada, Juue 30th : - _ $ 50,500,316 53,573,307 62,262,569 83,9119,756 107,354,115 117,646,219 133,731,260 123,786,038 128,645,238 126,169,577 1878 $124,888,5511 1868 1879 ~............. ••••••••• 122,602,537 1869......... 118,916,97' 1880......... 1870......... 1871............... ••••••.• 144,139,875 1881 •••••••• : 177,521,800 1882 1872 177,222,069 1883 1873,..... 160,459,183 1884......... 1874......... 1875......... 1885 158,209,174 J886 ..•••••.
.••.• .•••••••• 185,044,608 1876......... 1877 .•••••••• 169,357,325 1887 O.A.•."'.A.

: Overdue Notes and Debts in Ohartered Banks, proportion being to total amount borrowed from Banks for Years ended Blst Octo ber:- ,.. 1873 •••.••••••..•••••••••• $ 1874 1875............... 1876.................. 1877 ,.

1878......... 1879 1888.................. 2 07 2 02 4 73 4: 30 4 45 4 56 4: 90 4 24 1881 1882 1883 1884 1885 1886 1887 _ $ .

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268 1 9) 2 45 357 245 1 63 1 61 BUSI"SS Failures in Oanada, years:- 1873 1874........ •••••••• 1815 (Rev.

Tariff)... 1876 1877 1878 1819 ... 1880 (Protect.

Tariff) do do do do $ 12,334,001 7,696,000 28,843,000 25,517,000 25,523,000 23,908,000 29,347,000 7,988,000 1881 (Protect.

Tariff) $ 5,'151,000 8,687,006 1882 15,872,000 1883 18,939,000 1884 8, '143,OOa 1885 10,387,900 1886 16,311,745 188T do do do do do do O.A.II.A.D.A.
Bank Notes in circulation during years ended June 3Oth:- "............. ' ,.. 1868 1869...... 1870 1871 1872......... 1873................... 1874 18'15 1876......... 18'1'1................... 1878............................... 1879......... 1880 •••••••• 1881......... 1882 .. 1883 1884 1885 1886..... 1887......... ••••••••• ,....... .•••••••• .••••• ••••••••• ' .

·.••••• .

.•••••••• _••••••• ••••••••• Bank Notes.

Dom.

Notes.
$ 3,795,000 $ 8,307,(179 4,792,000 8,063,198 '1,294,103 14,167,948 7,:&44,341 18,339,893 10,813,lii8 25,040,077 11,314-,2&6 28,516,046 12,175,579 26,583,130 10,780,324: 20,902,991 11,534,731 20,288,158 10,680,493 18,265,358 10,435,696 18,351,109 10,790,519 18,090,814 13,566,959 20,186,176 14,539,795 26,10l,368 15,'196,538 32,229,93'1 16,005,243 82,211,945 15,344,474 29,654,011 15,423 2?9 29,692,803 16,2f9,45J 29,200,627 15,064,835 30/438,152 ~ ••••••••• DEPOsITS by the People in lb'l Ohartered Banks of Oanada, 30th June : - 1878 (Rev.
Tariff).•• $ 66,503,757 1868 1869...... 63,635,952 1879 ••.

1888 (Protect.

Tariff) 1870.

77,891,498 1871.•••_.. 86,607,571 1881 1872.................. 99,100,'129 1882 1883 1873...... 99,364,'150 1874 (Rev.
Tariff)... 92,413,313 1884 99,383,&73 1885 18'15 1876 103,583,950 1886 1887 1877 10'1,154,483 $ 32,808,104 38,823,333 50,767,100 65,163,067 63,986,818 65,54:7,607 65,991,047 68,367,942 83,320,858 63,241,128 do do do do do do do do do do do O.A.Jf.A.DA., Deposits by the People in Savings Brancbes, Bailding Socie- ties and Loan Oompanies, for Years ended 30th Uecember :- $ 1868 1869......... ••••••••• 18'10...... -....... ••••••••• 1871......... •••••• 1813........................ 1873........................ 1874.................. 1816 18'16.................. 187'1......... 959,051.
1,486,0]4 1,842,5'15 2,39Q, 131 2,690,'1'18 2,869,382 4,614,813 6,020,607 6,126,378 '1, Ill, 186 1878.••••• _ 1879...... .• 188Q........ •••••••• .••••.

1881...... ••••••••• 1882, , 1883...... 1884..... ••••••••• 1885........ 1886 _ .•••••••• , $ 8,269,295 9,426,148 11,7 J..:I,633 13,460,268 14,241,783 13,954,461 13,8'16,616 15,435,084 17,712,885 DEPOSITS in Savings Bankt of Oanada, 30th Jane:- OU.A.DA.

: Operation!

ot the Iloney Order System tor years ended BOth June : - , _ : ,.
_ _ _ _ 1868 1869 1870 18'11 18'12 18'13 1874 18'15 18'16 1877 18'18 1879 1880 1881 1882 1882 1883 1885 1886 1887 Orden lifted.

Amount.

-- $ .

.

_ _ .

.. .

.

.. . '

.••••••••• ,..••• .

.

. "

•••••••••• .

.. .

.

.. " _ _ : 3,352,881 3,563,646 3,910,250 4,646,434 5,164,120 8,289,608 6,76'1,437 6, '111,539 8,866,618 6,856,821 '1,138,895 6,'188,'123 '1,207,33'1 '1, '125,212 8,354,193 9,490,100 10,06'1,834 10,384,211 10,231,189 10,328,984 No.

Juued.

90,183 96,6.


110,021 120,521 138,422 181,ON 1'f9,8lil 181,091 238,668 253.962 269,-t1'1 281,'125 306,088 338,238 372,MS 419,818 463,101 499,24!

529,468 574,899 OANADA.

posr O'FIOIllS.

Nnmber of Post Offices :- 1868 .

1889 ..•.•.••••••.••.•...••....••.

.

1£170 .

18'11 .

18'12 .

18'13 .

1874 .. 1875~ .

1876 .

1817 3,638 3,'156 3,8Z0 3,943 4.135 4,618 4,706 4,892 6,015 5,161 Distribution of Post Oftioea : - .

1878 .

18'11 .

1880 .

1881 1882 .

1883.••••••••••••••••••••.•••••• 1884 .. .


1885 .

1888 .

1887 Ontario Quebec...... .••• Nova Sootia .•.••••••••_..... •••••••• New Brnllswiek Prince Edward Island British Oolumbia Manitoba and.

North·West , _.

•••••••• ••••• ••••••••• 1 to every do do do do do do 64 square mU••• 142 18 26 '1 3,250 225 do do do do do do Ll'tt"rs and Postal Oards posted (000 omitted) :- 1868 1869 18'10 1871 1872 1873 1874 .••••••• , 1875 18'16 187'1 _ .

.

.

.

.

.

.

.. .


.. 18,100 21,920 24,600 27,050 80,600 34,519 39,368 42,000 46,448 48,960 _ •••••- •••••• .•••••••• 1878........... 1879 .

•••••• 1880......... .••••• 1881 ••••••••• 1882 ,.. .1883 .•••••••• 188t: 1885 _ •.••••_...... ...... 1886............... ••••••••.

•••••• 188'1...... •.••••••• ••••• •••••• New.papera earried b1 Postal Department (000 omitted) : - 1888 1869 18'10 1871 1872 1873 1874 1875 1878 18'1T .

.. .

.

.

. "

.. .. .

.


18,880 18,'100 28,150 22,250 2.,400 25,480 29,000 31,300 38,550 3',Oot Postal Rennue : - ••••• •••••••• _..... ••••• ••••••••• _............. 18'18 ••••••••• 1879 .

1888.. 1881............... 1882 1883......... 1884 ' 1885......... •••••• 1886.

....... ...... 1887 80,465 60',84:0 63,601 ~'1,810 87,500 76,74t 79,680 82,200 86,110 9O,GGS 89,936 ''1,380 45,120 4-8,890 60,~ 53,1~ 55,990 58,381 80,06' $ 1868 1869...... .•••••••• 18'10......... 1871 ~.... .•••.•••.
1872........................ 1873......... ••••••••• 1874 1875 18'16 187'1.· _...... •.•••• 4,360,692 5, 723 567 '1.591,978 9,367,941 10526,3'16 12,933,89~ 15,101,195 14,125,47'1 13,838,291 13,391,014: Sir OHA.aL:lS TlJpP.E&.

1878 1879...... 1880............ 1881...................... 1882........................ 1883......... 1884........ 1885 ••.,....

1886......... 1881 •••••• $ 14-,233,074 1869 14,'102,715 1869 ..•••••.
18,237,498 1870 24,331,202' 1871 31,098,718 Ib7.& 35,189, tl!8 1&'13 38,003,116 1874: 41,990,'176 18'15 45,072,886 1876 68,944,705 UJ11 .•••••••• ' , , $1,814-,'110 9'13,068 1,010,'16'1 1,079,'16'1 1,193,063 , 1,406,964 1,476,20'1 1,636,509 1,484,886 I,Gen,lM · 18'18 ~ 18'19 1880 .••••••••••_ 18!n 188~ 1883 IBM 1885 1886..__.

_._ 1887 ~ _ .

.

.

.

.

.

_ .

1,no,on 1,5U,B83 l,fN8,017 1,'16'1,953 I,OU,098 1,S64,SIU t~3lJO, '141 2,400,061 2,469,379 2,603,266 _ •••••••••••• .

CO_MONS DEB'ATES.
CO_MONS DEB'ATES.

1041 1~8; Postal BXPeaditure':":" , ~~.u~;.'.

: $1,053,570 1868••••_.'

1869.••••~~~~ '.':!~'.:.'~"r."""

1,079,828 ~... 18TO.. "',~" .•••••0;",.

: !"
I, 156,261 1S71 '1,271,.0'6 :.. 1,369,163 1872 •••~ ~~ 1,1)53,604 1873 .••••••__ ~•• , :f..... 1,.695,486 1874 1,rrr3,2'41 1875 1,959,758 1876......... 187'1 2,0'l5,618 ::: 1878 1879 .•••,... 1880 1881 1882............... 18S3 1884.......... 1885 1886 188'1 _ ~ ~~ $2,110,366 ',167,266 2,'286,611 2,333,189 2,459,356 2.687,S94 :&,931,387 3,'97,883 3,380,411 3,08,101 RitiwAYSm OAJiad&;30th' June':- 1868 1869._... ~!i~..: ~ Iffl· ........"...... • : • 187~ ~~•••;••., ...... 1876...... • 1877...... _ •••••• Miles do ~ ,........ do ,......... do dp do db' do d~.
do • CoSt' rr mile.

, 2,522 2,580 2,67.9 2,95,0 B,Ota 3,6'1)9 4,()lt 4,826 6, 161 5,51'4 18'18 U~78....... 1880 .....,.. • 1881.......... 18~~......... 1883.. 1884.

1885.... • 188S, '........ •••••• • 188'1.......... • .. • • Hiles do do do do do do do do do 6,143' 6.255 6,891 7260 7;530 8,726 9.575 10,773 11,623 12,2'92 PopWn.

per mile.

l,~~ 3,0615 2,110 5,000 2,101 Oost per mile.

95,200 91,200 61,000 61 ,000 PopIt'n' per mile.


3,400 5,966 417 491 2OG,!0f), 103,OOP 134,000 94,100 123,400 Holland....... Rneeia.

United states Oanada........ aretlt Britain ~r~1...... France......... It.li· •••~.

...... Belgium....... (JANA.I>IAN Ba11ways, PasaengerB carried, for years ended 30th June:- Per copil.a.

1'67 2'01 2'12 2'16 2 '06 2'06 2'20 Number.

No .retJIrns.

15,1l~PJ416, 5,544,Sl{ 8,~,233 6,4~1.9;i 6,5a3,~le 8,462,948 ~,~.

'~~~~~ .
'~~~~~ .

m~·, 1Si!l 1818 1879 1880 1881..... ...... 1882............. 1883............ ~.... 1884, 18.85...... l~a6........... 1887...... ......

Number.

6,9i3,671 9,358,325 9,679,948 9,981,358 9,672,699 9,861,024 10,686,508 1'33' 1·.3() 1'00 1 '.51 1'151 1'50 Per capita.

.

.

.

.

RAILWAYS of Oanada, Tons Oarried :- : T' Vessels :- .. onn~ge.

.
.

.. .. •••..•.. .. .. 1882 188S 188'_ 18BfS 1886 1887 Pdr capita, 3'06 2'93 2'99 3'U 3'25 3'35 trl~31/t5't 6,859/196 '1 mta..4'1~ S;g4S-,$lO 9,938,~ 12,065,323 TO)1s.

13,6'15,78'1 13,260,255 13,712,269 14,659,27J 15,670,46,0 16,367,987 Pet" 1868 to·1815.

No ~~'ns.

capita.

1'60 18'16 lID 1 '70 , 1$'18._ 1 '93 18'9 ~.

; •••••• 2 '00 2'35 1860 :...... 2'77 1881............ S;A.Q~IP.G,~I1dInland Lakis': Shipping employed, not incl uding Ooasting Tonnage.

Arri,ed.
Arri,ed.

2,104,OO~ 2,409,083 2,608,519 2,521,573 2,988,793 3,032,746 3,077,987 2,.621,134 2,97~,459 3,296,887 3,341, 465 3,049,521 3,487,735 4,032,946 3,933,152 4,004,357 4,2'50,665 8,8(10,664 4,O~8,415 4,236, '167 12,982,825 10,461,OH 11,415,810 13, 1:16,028 12,808,1f;lQ ,•••••• ,••••••••••.

1l, 74e,997 11,399,8li'l 9,537,15.5 9,91.1,1.99 11,0"9.1,~« 12,~4,81JO 11,646,812 13,1517,845 13,80il,432 13,3'1i,883 ., 1~779, 736 14,359,026' 14,084,'113· 1a,969.232 14,31'1,099 S~a·ioing Departed.
2,215, 31a 2,537,482 2,476,354 2,5"94,460 2,956,911 3, 052,789 2,973,37-1.

2,708, 074 2,938,30~ 3,348..836 3,34'2,919 3,039,°29 3,298,979 4,071,M 4,003,410 a,9,6~,420 4,233,6'38 3,843,951 4,018,1,66 4,126,671 1868 18.69.; 18'10 18'11 • 18'1~_ 1813 18'14 _ 18.74 1a't~ _ 18'17 _ 1878 1~'ZQ 1880 1_ 1i8l llSa If184 l8lR5' 1888.. 188'1 ;.

; .~ : :.... •to !

• ..: ., ~.

; • ~ , ~ ~ 0< , .. .. · 1816 IBrip.h............. C.AlIAD.&.

sea-goiilg Shipping (anived arid departed) by nationalities :- Tonn-.ge.
2,155,444 11'1.36,310 1,534,016 e61, 780 2,612,~~ 1,194,210 1,594,333 !l55,236 3,6,26.,005 T0JJ.Dag8.

1,8~~ 1,63b.. 333 .•••~ .•.m 0&.Dadian United State;... 1,697,8'l8 782,389 ;..... ferelgn ,... 2,2\1",16.

1,897,()~ gfo!l~n,.-:.~.~... (Tiii1it'~ Stt.te&...

I,'f16,8OO 'oiei~...... :..... .

8ll,412 Bmilh "'Of'" ...... 2,~M 1m .

.~~::::.

~~:~~~ )OQ.ited States.... \roreillD lBri.ti8a....

C~8.diaq,.:::...

ttmted StateS.... foreign •••.•• lBri~... 1881 »~~~.
::' ~~~:;~ 1879 \Oanadian ...... 181., 1880 '191,0'18 lI'omga... ....... t19,614 !8J.itiBIJ.

lB.n.·•.tita l loreip.._..... 181 Tonuage.

8,007,3.'

1,5~8.8M :1,118.767 9~9.>i40 8,101,:I8il 1,783,6..a ~,I90,,1OO 968,98a 2,657,6'~ 2,3~t;loa 2,~88,067 1,102,641 14,'191,0~ J5,683,5{6 16,473,1(4~ 115,944,4~1 16,388,n' 11,613,67'1 ' 1882 Oana.dian UaiteJ States.... 'oreign........... 1883 Oaoadian......... United States... _.... Foreia-n lBritiSh lBrhi8h lBriti8h ..-.. Tonnage.
3,164,839 1,892,:n.O 1,884,6M 994,779 3,001,071 1,886,166 2,096.148 9d9,89J 3,257,219 1,88.0,V93 2,239,576 1,106,613 {Britiah.... 188ts \('aoadiu )Ualted Slates.... IFoff'ign............. IBriti6h 1886 \Oanadiu JUnitlld t:itates.... \Foreign IBtitiah la84 Oanadi&l1.

United States.... Foreign OANADA Ooasting Tr&de, registered Tonnage employed:- 1881 'OanaJiu.

~....... )United States... \Foreign 1868 to 1875 187~ 187.1 187B 1819 1880 1881 No returns.
10,3UO,9J9 8,968,8'61 11,047,661 12,066,63& 14,053,013 16,116,766 Tons do do do do do lSU.

1883 188-1 1885 1886 1887, ' Tons do do do do do TOTAL Prodnction of Ooal in the Dominion, net tODI of 2,600 Pounds':- .'

1 .
1 .

Tons 1868 1,109,5915 1, 162,783 1869 do ),468,'196 do 187 l,514,O~ 187.1 do 1,845,G~ do 1872 do 1,831,819 18'13 1874 1,997,888 do l,!78,981 do J.81.5 2,104,lTQ 1876 do 2,38'1,8'11 81'1 .••••• ............ do 1878 UI79 1880 1881 1883 1883 1886 1886 .••••• _ 1888 1887 633,392 687,527 734,2a5 804,431 1,038,349 1,228,852 1,068, If1~ ~98,r04, 950,48:3 1,828,875 Tons do do do do do do do do do ~ NOVA SCOTIA Ooal Sales (in tons).

S~les to Total Sales ~elrbbor.

otber eonn· lD(t Pro· Vlnces.

eales to tries .


.

.

.. .

.

.. .

.

.

.. .. .. .. .

.

.

.. .. .

.. 453,62' 511,796 568,277 596,419 786,914 881,106 749,127 '106,795 634,207 6!j7~06lS 693,511 688,624 954,659 1,036,014 1,250,179 1,297,623 1,261,650 1,254,61Q 1,373,666 1,519,684 ~ _ 102,814 129,148 1'12,f1.8 168,5'28 280,~3 337,97'1 338,754 381,711 31 '1,8.3 291,447 303.,728 341,391 4u3,30l 603,611.

666,476 688,111 691,817 '169,643 83.5,324 970,037 Sales for 'Ho'me con· lumption.

117,631 116,4:&.'1.
117,631 116,4:&.'1.

130, 115:1 U9,6~, 206,306 215,~.QO.

, 114,9615 212,~~O 225,&8 2615,7.9(1 279,173 278,1.~O l:l~2,913 B8J,U' 468,9'B:J 471,321~ 493,t150 4154,S,6t."

460,~3'r 419,464 1868 1869 1870 1871.

18'12 18'13 1874 18'16 1876 1871 1878 1879 1880 1881 188a.~ 1883 1884 1~85 1886 1887 Year.

, ~ Year.

Ana.lyBis of salel to neighboring Prorincel.

0 - Quebec.

New Bmnlwick Bales to ISales to la-IeB t'o P E No1~~;:" ·1'''08:21i ='26;840" 163,269.

I 78,8H .

Island • • .


A _ 1868 to 18'l2 ......... ••.

.. 1873 18T4 .. 18"75 1876 187'1 1878 1819 1880 1881 18B7.•• ;.~ •••~••••~ 1883 1884 1885 1886 1887 .. .. .. .

.. .. .

.. .. .. _ _ .

, 189,754 117,303 95,118 83,710 154,118 239,09J.


268,6A8 383,031 410,605 396,782 493,917 538,762 860,868 85,968 101,890 lOj,818 \1115,245 84,731 97,8L'1 Ua,526 163,617 167,740 158,4~O 148,634 1'16,918 186,511 .1,948 43,641 46,908 45,169 43,4U 44,891 46,1'6-7 4~,313 60,096 48,088 60,399 62,770 49,188 50,115 sales to New fDund~d.

..····~i·· 66,6SMS.

62,348 151, 'IoU 49,342 61,881.

57,8U 69,611, 63,174 79,m 6~8 86,216 '14,321 71,"$.

82,063 1042 COMMONS DEBATES.


APRIL 27, TOTAL Oonlumption of eoal in the Dominion, net tons of 2,900 pounds :- TOTAL debt payable in London, July IIi, 188'1:- 1888 1869 18'10 1871 187~ 18'13 18'1' 18'15 1876 18'1'1 1869 1870 18'11 1872 1873 1874 1875 1876 1877 1878 Tonl do do do do ,.. do do do 4 • • • • • • • • • do do 714,893 636,704 859,630 86a,2l7 1,227,653 1,398,403 1,4.64,636 1,362,363 1,466,531 1,761,031 1878 1879 1880 1881.
1882 1883 1884 1885 1886 1887 Tons do dO do do do do do do do 1,665,814 1,748,164 2,094,844 2,260,680 2,70k, 654 3,085,6j9 3,556,673 3,439,745 3,615,769 4,110,778 1I'1B]I Insurance in OaDada.-Amount at risk Dec. 31st:- .. .. .

.

.. .

.. .

.

.

$188,359,809 191,594,686 228,453,784 2M,722,940 ~78, 754,835 806,848,219 364,421,029 404,608,180 420,342,681 489,899,701 1879 1880 1881.

1882 1883 1884 1885 1886 1887 .. .

.. .. .

.

.

.
.. .. .

.

.

.

.. $407,357,985 411,563,271 462,210,968 il6,856,478 572,264,041 605,607,789 611,79-1,479 686, 738,O~2 633,523,697 tIllI Inlurance in Oanada.

Net Amount in foree:- 1869 1870........................ • 1811........ 1812 1873......... 1874.. 1875......... 1876......... 1877............ 1878................... $ 35,680,082 42,694,7l2 45,826,935 67,234,684 77,500,896 85,716,325 84,560,752 84,344,916 i6,687,903 84,761,937 ~ 1879......... 1880.......... 1881.
1882 1883 1884 1885 1886 1887......... .

86,273/702 90, 2~0 ,293 ,...... 103,290,932 115,042,048 124,196,875 135,4li3,726 149,962,146 171,315,696 191,566,168 '..... O....ADLUr Bank Stock' during years ended Highest and Lowest Quotations in Montreal b ec.

3lBt:- No.

ofBanka.

1868... 1859... 1870••• 1871••• 18'12... 18'18... 18'14:... 18'15... 18'16••• 18n••• 12 13 13 a 16 16 1'1 10 20 ~O Quotations.
{Highest III 1·10 Lowest 104 2-10 { Highest 120 Lowest 209 8·10 tHighest 134 7·10 i Highest 132 Lowest 108 7-10 { Highest 1437·10 Lowest 120 Lowest 113 {Highest 120 8-10 Lowest 1116·10 { Highest 122 8·10 Lowest 113 2·10 { Highest 12l 1·10 Lowes' 1004-10 tHighest 112 3-10 Lowest 1029·10 { l:1igbest 106 2-10 towelt 93 No.

of Banks.

83 Lowest Quotations.


{Highest 1005-10 tHighest 93 4·10 746-10 {Highest 115 7-10 89 1·]0 { Highest 126 8-10 1< 38-10 Lowest Lowest Lowest { Highest 138 20 Lowest 118 8-10 IBi~he't I" 6-" 21 1Hi~hest 114 6-10 Lowest III 6-10 Highest 120 3-10 99 6-10 Lowest 20 Lowest 1006-10 { Highest 1293-10 Lowest 113 1-16 i Highest 13'1 2·10 Lowest 122 6·10 1878... 1879... 1880... 1881.;.

1882... 1883... 1884... 1886... 1886... 1887••• 20 1'1 18 19 19 21 19 LoU'.

OF OANADA.

~I.:::.
OF OANADA.

~I.:::.

I £ 2,000,000· 1,800,000· 4,900,000· 2,600,000· 2,600,000· 3,OOO,OOOt 3,OgO,ooot 6,000,10°1 4,000,000 1869 1873 1874 1876 1876 1878 1879 18B4: 1881 Nature lAVe.

Ratej Average rate at .

Interest.

which taken.

----- --- --------- £ I. d. 4 p. c.} Premium 5 12 11 { t Guaranteed i Unguaranteed 5 p. c. 4 7 8 Guaranteed 4 per eent Unguaranteed .. 4 per cent.

Discount 9 19 3 18 4 " H { Ij Guaranteed ... } 4 p c 1 Unguaranteed .

.

{ i Guaranteed... } 4 p C. j Unguaranteed Unguaranteed.
4 per cent.

.

9 ° 0 3 8 3 " II Unguaranteed .. 4 per cent.

Unguaranteed.• aj Unguaranteed.• 4 II " II 4 18 J!

I 9 0 0 Premium 1 1 8t I I • Sinking fund of 1 per cent. "

" 1 U t " " *No linkinfl fun • u Sir Cll4B.LU TuPnB.

for UDguaranteed.

Rate of Interest.

S!

per cent " 4 5 II 6 II Interest paid Total _ 4...

Amount.

$ 24,333,333 _ H.... .

140,B[16,699 2,433,333 4,052,473 $171,6'15,736 $6,R60.746 Average rate of interest :-1861, 6'56 per cent.

j 18H, 6'36 j 18'17, 4'74 j 1882,439 i 1887, 3'99.


PRICES of Canadian Securities in London, in month of March : - 5 per cents :-1868, 86!

; 1872, par; 1873,108; 1874, J08; 18'15,l08f; 1876, 107 j 1877.

1\.

;8 i 1878, lOB j 1879, 109 j 1880, 112; 1881,114; 188~, 114 j 1883,1141; 1885,113; 1886,116; 1887,114; 188B, 118.

4 pE'r cents.

:-1875, 92; 1876, 92 j 1877, 94t; 1878, 94t; 18'19, 95 j 1880, 97; 1881, 104; 1882, 106 i 1883, 105 i 1884, 106 j 1886, 106 j 1887, 106t i 1888/ 116~.

3 per cents.
3 per cents.

:-1885, 92; 1886, 9'1; 1887, 10&; 1888, 109.

I do not propose to detain the House very much longer, but, before sitting down, there are two or three questions to which the House will no doubt expect me to allude.
When making the financial statement a year ago, I was obliged to state to the House that there wAs one cloud on the horizon~ I think I would hardly be wrong in saying that there was a cloud both on the political and the commercial horizon; and that cloud was the very unpleasant relations which at that time threatened to arise between UB and our great nejghbors to the south of us-between the United States of I am happy to be able to congratu America and Canada.
1ute the House on the present occasion~ upon that cloud having been entirely swept away; and I am glad to be able to give to the House the most conclusive evidence that, I think, could be required on that point, by reading brief extracts from very high authorities, and which, I think, the House will regard as entirely conclusive upon that question.
I will first read an extract from the Message sent by Presi dent Cleveland to the United States Senate, in submitting the treaty that was recently arranged at Washington be tween Great Britain and the United States of Amerioa, in which that gentltlman used the following language:- II The treaty now submitted to you has been framed in a spirit of liberal equity and reciprocal benefits, in the conviction that mutual advantage ...nd convenience are the only permanent foundations of peace and friendship between States, and that with the adoptioB of the treaty now placed before the Senate, a beneficial &!ld satisfa.ctory intercourse between the two countries wlll be established, so as to secure perpetual peace and harmony."
Mr. Bayurd, in a letter which I recently had occasion to qnote, and which was made public in the United.

States, and which he addressed to parties who had invited him to go to New England to make a speech, said: "Oonciliation and mutual neighborly conceBBions have together done their honors.ble and bonest work in this treaty, and paved the WAy for the relations of amity and mutual advantage."
I think, Sir, with that evidence, 1 am justified in congratu lating tho House that the only oloud that we could see upon the horizon haR entirely passed away.

The House of Com mons of Canada have ratified that treaty by their action, and I have no don bt that the other branch of Parliament the Senate of Canada, will ratify that treaty; and I am still sanguine that that treaty will not be rejected by the Senate of the United States of America.
But, as 1 said before, come what may, we have the fact placed on record from the very highest sources conneoted with the administration of that great l'epublic, the Government of Canada and the Parliament of Oanada have been prepared, by mutual ooncession, to ratify a treaty which would dispose of the question that was causing so much unpleasantness between the two countries; atld whatever may be the aotion of the Senate of the United States upon this question, I think I am too sanguine in expressing the conviotion that not that 1888.
COMMONS DEBATES.

104:8 I has, that that time to a same arisen believe from the to allow it r do not it fact of a general nothing will OOCur t.o disturb that oontinued harmoni· ous.

intercourse between the two oountries, friendly r~OJprooity of g-ood neigohborhood, that will not only dIspel any caulle of anxiety in regard to our relations with the goreat republic, but will lead U8 to anticipate a larger intercourse than has hitherto taken and freer commercial intend to ask the House, in g'oing into place.
Committee of Ways and Meaus, to mllke any alteration in the tariff.

As I said before, nothing' is more important in regard to the trade and business of a country, than confi denoe on the part ofoammercial men in the permanenoe of exi"ting arrangements j and I feel that we can scarcely do a greater service to the country and to the development of our best interests, than by showing- that it is not necessary continoally to changoe our tariff arrangements.
I am sntis fied that no g'entleman who has ever held the position that I now occupy as Finance Minister, has been leRS troubl~d than I have been witb applications for a change of tariff.

I am quite certain tbat my hon.


friend from South Oxford (Sir Richard Cartwright), when he held that position, had a hundred applications for a change of tariff durintr every year that he adminlstered the offioe of Finance Minister, for every single application that I have had during the pre I may be told that a hint which we ~ave to sent Session.
discouraged applications j but at the country, rather larg-e the extent, satisfac tion upon the part of tbe country with the tariff which we now have upon the Statute-book, and a disposition not unnecessarily to disturb it.

but to have an opportunity of bein~ fairly tried and fairly tested.

A year a~o it became my duty to submit a very start1in~ proposi.
tion to thilJ House in regoard to the iron industrvof the oountry; it ber,ame my duty to make a very radical chang-e in think, considering the tariff in re~ard to that industry.
the difficulties to which I have adverted, th8t capital is extremely cautious, and that the capital required for the establishment of new iron industries is ~o enormously large, still we have every reason to be satisfied with the indi there will be no want of capital in a cation we see tha1j short time, and that at no distant day we shall be able to manufacture.
on Canadian soil, and with Canadian ore, all the iron-and a very enormous consumption per capita it It has been a source of is-that is ulled in our country.
p;reat gratification to me to be able to read to the House, alil I have done J the evidences that we have on all side8 from not only connected with parties the engaged iron industry, but parties who are of the uniform in of various manufaotures of the I have am safe in saying that sati8faction j not received from any source, from either a company or Bay important and prominent individual de@iring to invest money in the iron industry, a sing-Ie remonstrance against the very great change that was made a year ago.
I have heen preMed, and.

strongly pressed, to take another step in that direction, for the purpose of having steel rails manu I mentioned to the Hl)use a Y6ar factured in our country.
ago that Canada was the only oountry in the world posses sing lZ,OOO miles of railway within its borders, that did not manufacture its own steel rails, and I had the evidence pre sented to me that, by giving proper protection, such pro tection 88 we gave the other branches of the iron industry, we might succeed in establishing rolling mills for steel rails.
But we had to take into consideration the fact of the enor mous importance of the railway development of a country those circumstancea we have, like Canada, and under althougb we ooD8id~red it a 8ubject worthy of attention, when ever it can be properly taken up-but oonsidering the great and vital importanoe of railway extension to the prosperity of this oountry, we felt that we must postpone, at all events, for this year, making suoh a change 88 would lead to the establishment of rolling mills in this oountry for the manu- development, and I iron, I that benefioial I resolutions propose to introduce that are on into ('A>mmittoo on Ways and Means.
faoture of our own railB.

I am ~lad, as I say, to be able to state to the House the uniform satisfaction that lIeems to be exprei!sed all over this oountry in regard to the present I wHl not say more upon the subject thau refer to tariff.

in connection the Bill the Table, when with the we !

{o and that is to a lar~e extent to meet the changes in tbe Aot proposed, in wbat I have termed the Mills' Bill.
I need not remind this Hoase of what I said a few days ago, that both parties in this House, whether in power or out of power, had been exceedin~ly anxious to obtain a return to trade the Reoiprocity Treaty of 1854:.

or Buch reciprooal relation8 as were enjoyed botween Cnnada and the United States unrJer that trentv.

T 80'1\ bOl1nd to R'\Y, I am quite certain every hon.
gentleman who bas looked into the subject with the care and attention I have.-and no doubt, conllidering its importanoe, a great many hon.

gentlemen have done BO,-I am bound to say that I believe thiR country would be greatly disappointed if the Reoiprooity Treaty of 1854 were re-enacted.
While that treaty gave the most undoubted stimulus to the trade and busine88 of Canada, while that treaty, advantageous as it was to Canada, was still more to the United StateB than it was to us, r oannot for~et that a great change has taken place in this oountry and in the United States in a great many very important points that would bear upon the operatil)n of that treaty if it were re-enacted to-morrow.
the efforts, and But the House is perfectly aware that all they have been great and continuou8, made by hone gentlemen on b(lth sides of the HouBe when in power to ob tain a return to the Reoiprocity Treaty of 1854, have It would, perhaps, be a waste of time to proved abortive.

I!lutllce it to goo into the causes that have resulted in that j know that 1I11 onr efforts in that direction have ended in from my statementl!l on a failure.
The House is aware, former oocasion, that we not only endeavored to obtain a re-enactment of the reciprooity treaty as a question of treaty.

but that we also endeavored to promote a freer intercourse relations between Canada and of trade, freer commercial the United Statos, by the rlacing upon our Statute-book f.>r a very long period wb~t was held to be a statu tory invitation to the United States to meet us half.
way in reference Those articles the articles that were in the recipro did not cover all long a~o as 1849, Canada, before city treaty, but as Oonfederation adopted that clause, and it has been rc-en acted in every re-enaotment of the Tariff Act, I believe, from tbat time down to the preseut period.

The object of that was to direot the attention of our American neighbors to the fact that we were anxiouR to promote freer commer It appears cial intercourse between the two countrie8.
that certain articles that were named in that Btatutory clause were made free two or three years a~o in the United States.

Attention was not drawn to it, I believe it escaped the attention of hone gentlemen on either side of the House, and the attention of the Government was not drawn to it until a very recent period.

to certain articles.

Sir RICHA.RD CARTWRIGHT.

Excuse me for men tioning it, bat attention was drawn to it.

Mr. MILLS (Bothwell).

We had an hour's ditouuion on it.

Sir CHARLES TUPPER.
Sir CHARLES TUPPER.

When?

Sir RICHA.RD CABTWRIGB.T.

Sir CHARLE3 TUPPER.

Then I mU8t BaY, in justifica In 1886. tion of myself.

that I do not think I was here in 1886.

Sir RICHARD CARTWRIGHT.

I think you were not.

Sir CHARLES TUPPER.

A.t all events I do not remem ber, aBd I am not as a lule deficient in memory, the subject COMMONS DEBA11~8.

that is not fixity III in o'ou,~ml.

that under all Parliament are left, and ~a,Olber~e ~!

:t,4e is an entire misapprehension.


I may here mlm- month hence, beoom,e law, the notice of the House, and in the Mills' Bill down to this hour has our lumber would still be met is coupl~d with t.he8.ta~e'!tth!~ h,vi;ng been brought under although I have been a tolerably close observer, whether: lumber will only be free to co~ntrie8 ~llat ~!~v:e. ~o ~~.

);lere or abroad, of what has transpired in this House, I do I port duty 0,11 logs.
The consequence was t~t I J>!~'p'~~d not remember to have Been any reference to the subject.

If, this Bill of which I bavegiven notice in the resoll;1tioq.s,by as the hon.

gentleman Eays, and I most of courso, a~oept which the export duty can ~.

Ut.k~n off Jogs: by an Or~er C?£ It.

~he M:ills' Btll, "a his statement, attention was drawn to it, I regret my own the Governor General ~ttention h3B not been drawn to it.

lre~" in the UBl,~ St$,tes by tion that no communication the same duty as before the.
pass~e ~f tq.at A.Q~.

(Jon.
been had with Her Majesty's Government on tne ques- tion that certain articles contained in that statutory sequently it became ne~essary, ~fLev,erygelltl~~~n.i!-l .~~e invitation had been made free in the United St~te8, and I House will 8ee, t'Qat in order to give Oa.nada~he!1dyant,!,g() make this statement as I wish to correct an improper im- of having this large i~dQstry relieved ~rom the ,lleavY,9u!y pression that has gone abroad that we had been in commu- which is imposed upon its products in ~he Unipeif gt,~es of nication with Her Majesty's Government on this 8ubject- America, it becameab801ut~lynecessary to arm th,e Gov but when at a very critical period in the relations between ernor General in CouDcil wit,h pqwer, when tll~t BiU, ba !D o!,der tha.t the United States and Canaia our attention was drawn came law, to repealthe export d~ty on logs, the United we ~ight enjoy ~\le .advant~ge ~hat is tluls giye,n u~der ~hat to the qqestion, by the Government of the circumstances the Act.
But, Sir, we!Uust not forget ~~~t al,~~ougn J~6e.r S~ate8, we felt the proposal tbli'ot had may ,be made free,.although a Jarge n.umber ,of ot.~er ~~8e8t course to purslle was to meet been ~n<1e..and to put on tbe free list the articles that were articles in which, w,aar;e gr~a~y in~eB~~d~ay b?JIl.a~e contaIn~d In that clause and whic,h had been made free ,by free under that Bill, .that it is only an Act of legislatIOn.

theac~ion of Congre~s.


I see a very erroneous impr.ession It is nota treaty, ~t is not a matter ofarrange'melJt.

for is ~bropd.

~n many quarters 8S to the effect of these resolu- ten or twelve y~rs, as on fo~~er .o~~asions' 'of r~c.iproc~l 'lons which are pl~ced 1,lpon the Table with a view to the acti~n between the two countri()s 'fhl~h W:86 arrfJ,ng~d.

by l'.men~me~t of that clause, or rather to its repeal and the treaty.
We have ~be dtsa,dv.~ntageof~n<?win$.t~at~he~,e ~ri.~~tltntion of a s.omowhat different clause, and tbllt is thf:\t legis)ative 'ar!fln~eme.~tB·t~.~t ,th~lJ' ~~e effeot?f that ~ction will be to destroy the effect of the would be under a treaty, ~ut,couD,ter~afancinlLt~18 we.~~e the articles named on the free left in Can~da as free ,as the statesm.en .of t~e·u.w~~..~_~t~ p!oclama.t.lon w. h. lch put to alter or modify our legisl~tlOn, ..a~a l1I!~er \!st.Tht;\,t tariffs each country rf'm~i.n8p~rfec~!y clo~.ed th~ Governor Gene:al in C?uncil with power to put a reoipI:ocity.
of c~rt~l.n.

articles unde~ cert~lO conditions, upon the free Bst, free from Se8sion ,to ~~sioJ;l, tOD:\f!ie ju~t .~uc.h ~~~JJgeR.

I~n lL~d, tb~t p0!Ver .havmg been exercised, those articles are extending the free list or in cur~ailing~t.a.nd ~.

!.JlP9~1~$ 9n the !r~e hst ofOanada and duties can only be imposed on duty ,uponar~iclesth~t haveprevi?osly' b~n.9!ftd.e-f~e,e,..~8 tho~e arb(lles by the re-e~actm~nt of a new tariff placing they had before.
There is no ob.lig~tion restlD,S' ,or l>.lndl~g ~utle8 upon them.

I mentIOn.

thiS ~e~autle it h~s been s.tated upon either collntry, an~, ,under ~h()secirc~!D8t.a~~8,t:feJt 10 the press, I d?

not co~!n?er It that it was r\ght for ,~he p~ot~c~IOn of .oatla~u~n I~efes~ rep~es~nt tb:e Posl.tlOn, bu.t It 18 a statement -likely to cr~ate that we ;8ho~ld!ll¢ify ~his ,C'1.agei~nd~~I1.e':Dbr"ce 10 ;t a very ~rr?~eOU8 ImpreSSIOn on that point.
I have drawn such ~rticle8 as we were ~H q'll1~e .~a.~~~~!t :wo~\d ke ,10 the intereBtof .CJ;Lna.da to make.

free, whenevorthey ~ere the attentIon of~heHouse to the fact that the difficulties bav- ~ng be~n reil;loved by tl,le Tr~lJty between the Governments ()f made free in' the U Dited St8.
:tesof Amerioa.~· .8aft stan'ds in In the MIlls Bill it!s .PrOVided -t~~t salt the United etates ~nd.Gl'oatBritai 0 ul1d between the Govern- ments of Great BntRm and Canada, at a vel'y early period shall be made free, but only that comIng fromsuCh,coun.

'Ye found a Bill introduced by Mr. Mills, Chairman .of the tries as do not oharge duty upon salt going into t.hat So .in tl,lc ~.~irie Oo~mis~ion ?n Ways and Means, placing a Lumber of country out of tne United S~tes.
the articles 10 whICh we ure very much interested in Canada, way as uNn ~he free Hst.

if ~twereto '~~s' ~o-niorrojv thIng to make a stututory or a month hence, It was absol u~ly necessary the Gover to make a treaty and another arl'a.ng4)ment, ~o J;llake a legislative reciprocity.
You may nor GeD'eral in Councilsbpuldllave'pow,er to.~e,l po 1Dd:n~ed ,to put a la~'ge number of articles jnto Ii with th.at subject so as ,to put..~alt .9n the fr~e list,_ an.dgive treaty t.bat Y?U do not deSire to be made free, that if you -as {},lave n,o doubt tha.t.~c~on wo.uld,giy~a,verY.$~~~t had your.

chOl~e you would not pu~ on the free list, but y~u impe!uEl to that very lilrge.and ~m1>Or~~llt .l~<!~t~y tn t~e agree to It ,for the purpose of gettmg other artICles there ProvHlce of Ontario.
Now, Sir, I do .not thmk .It will.

00 wnichy~n verymu9h desire tobethere ; conflequentlyatrenty nec~sBary for me to say more in reference-tO t&a!t' but'!

iap1adeamatterofmntualarrangement,of'mutualconcost;iop, wanf~o drawtbe attention oftheItou@e for a few.momenfB JVheiiTwu a.nd it.h~8 the advantage that being a treaty it cannot be to a subject ofvely consi(lerable iqlJ?or...nce.

'pffec~eO durin~ its continuance by any legislativeac;tion on s~anding here a year ~goJ (}origr&:tula~~4.~ ~~~~};f.rid1 ~e.pa!
't.of one country ~r Rn?ther..

But under legIslative congratu.lat~~he ~ountry_up?n~~efa~~.,,~1t.~t.~~e.~n.xl~ty~~t reCIprocI~Y the whole thIDg IS.

entI.rely c.ha~ged, 8S the partie.s wjs~1Dg ,and ~~~.~r~n.gto 1,nvest ~lie,lr~a'pl.t.id 1n t~e.

House WIll ~ee, aDd we cannot ImagI~e fo~ a 9IDgle momen.t manufJlctnrmg i~dU!~tr,H>s of ~bi8 ~~,I1~~r:., .~~~~ ~n .~\, ..de velC?Pp~en~,of o';lr j~d.~trie8, ,'had, .I,n cO.1!~eq~e,n~ cJf ~~e ~.

~l\e.
~l\e.

policy of tb~t gr~at OOQntJ'y .18 gomg to be maten- all.Y... 101Iue.nCed.

b.y 4Ul.'

r.eleJ;6,nce to.

Gan.

'.

~Qa, \:!..h~nwc take.

dootnn.es held 'pr~.vI()~sly by ~he~!be~.t p~r~Y,,~~a..p.w~J~ ~e .P1,Q~~.to.put .lu~ber on ~he tr~..list, aB.

:lt 18 jlI'op~ed ~n a{'c0l:lnt of the ,actIOn ,of th~ hon .g~~l~~en o'pP()8i~.

~ In tlie Mills :BIll, a BIll regardmg "hlch I sttll entertam ,a congr~tu~ated the HODl?

;e, and I congratulate« tile ~ountry, very eangui!1e hope, that it will beco,~e law.
during ~he up~n the Iact t~~t ~he it:~at' ,leaijer or- 'tlie'~f' cfp:' to tile..Ro~.

.M~.

1;J"~e-~o~' '.l~1!g present seS810n of Congress.

the o&se, we k~ow a,tPDce that ~t IS not ;for tbppurpose of Jed WIth 80 muoh abIijty In thIS Houije the parW 0j) fl;lr~,er~g Canadian i~ter~s.tB.

It is done~ir;n.ply be~se posed.

to the Gov.ernqieni-I o~mgratulatedtheJ:rov.tittij~ in ~aJ'11~ng ,out ~peP9qcy of ,the democrat!c partY9f the in the Plest f~r,#~r,apd Il.u~f~t~c"~~~,!er,-~!,l ~~~.
pmted SCates, ~hey-ae8Ire to make that.

arbele flee 10 the ~entl~~~~, on a ,most~~tPOr!antr9~~~?n, ~n .~he ~v.e ~n_d In the,v,ery throes of a ieneral el~on, haC!

dOOIared to -tb;,e iD1erests.oftbell' ~ei.r.

PYD: pp~le.
PYD: pp~le.

,S.. o~..n 1'e.g~d to .a.. large.... IlU~_.. ,.r... o.f p.e,o·ple .,.of tPJs·~o~..ntry t~'tAt:iie~~~~..}..:P.Js....';D.~01:~e:~..~W~ai .And I will ~a'y this, that it is one thing advantage of that I ~a~ when we nnd that to be poslte:-I refer in refer{)nce to lurn,ber,in ord~r to get t>Ym oount.1'y, and 1n the Ulterests of IS an a~,tempt to mis- p.ro'p08~l party to the p~lioy m P~l.

!lg -rcfLDi¥il~1l a4J ,I ~ave ~ald, ,OtherS' ~r~1Cl,~ the I'ume way.

IDcJ.IW~l,.
IDcJ.IW~l,.

_~ut, that ~il,l, If CBAi\Ll:B ..~ UPPER.

OOHOB8 DEBi:TBB.

Ie,.

I I he that union.

commit 6uccS'eded that COUI'tiC.

to that policy; I alw8Js felt Bee-ure important announcement, sanctioned by the people who sent the LibJ3ral ship was drifting without a fudder.
public man after we himself not Sir, I am glnd to know that commit himself ~nly spoke with eloquence and amiable qnalities of lLac;l ~~ ,~,d, ~h.e.hon.,ge,ntl~4ln:qoti the .gentleman who tJi~ hishlut)lor.ity whioha~tIlc~ed.tohis name, and which h:l8 80 worthily bim) notwithst:an~,ing th"t a.~ta~l,\~ ~o bis positi,on, but feeling ~~t it ~as desirable on he is .a gentleman whom we all respect, wo found tb,~t ~n oC~fti9noftb~t k,ind tbat t,ber,e should be nomisunder- Instead of s~'Pd~Jj,g f ~~@tt ~verybody in this e<>1}Jlt&.y Ehould underst.and the .firm hand of tho l'.aptuiu on the t illor, we found a va· tliat"~lIel"e,l'B91le upon this g,~~t question which had been cillating hand.
The hone gentleman with his conservati,e ~ J?n~ a ~ubject of 8ucb~en~e .~ontroversy; referred espe· inst.incts~so conservativo that I have always wondered, Clalay to tlle ,.I!lon.IQ..ember for South Oxford (Sir Richard ov('r Finee I have had the honor of moeting him in thi8 H(,u~e, that he wa~ not on our side iostead of where he is q~~right) ,an.dunder.~~k to s,tate to the count.

y tLat he ~~8 ~''pre88iJ:lg that hon.

gentleman's views and expressing - I say the hon.


gent)em~n, with hi8 oonservative instinots, 1~e l1ews of the great part.y of which he was the leader when it was proposed to go back on the policy propounded do by his leader and acoepted by his party, and deliberately when he made that not h~~~je to ~ay that as a party maD, a8 one who believes them ~o this House very sjnoerely that the best interest of Canada is intimately when it was proposed to the hon.
g~ntleman to go back on Qo.~lld IIp with ~he ,8u.~ge8B of tJle gl.

"eat Liberal CODl:lervative all that, he hesitated long; and when it was propounded to P.lltl'ty in thUJ cO¥n.lry, I read that 4mnouncement of Mr. him fm ther that we shcHlld take 80 radical a step ~s to lll~k<"d withagQod deal of dism.ay.

Lookillg at it from a virtualiy change tho cOuRtitution of our country, tho han.
that he had made a gre~t stride on gentleman showed more than a disinclination to be Jed in~o 'Harty .itan~:point I Jelt t.he ,~ar~h to t~e Tre~Eury bellqhcs.

.But, Sir'.

wo found the Liboral ship, haviQg ~~~,t 80 l0ll.g ~s ,that ~hl?n.

gentleman kept his party in battle lost its rudder, in tho hands (,f tho hon.

gentleman op,pQs,ite, arJ.


:ay ~,&~1,~~ g,iviog iU<;h fostering ,protection to lhe i~duB' wilhout tipparentlyknowin~in wh~t d,lroction to attem.,pt t.rie.~ .of ~~G:a~a,fl,s ')l.adbeen found necessary to vitslise to move.

We found it drifting upon the l'Ock of commerci~l $~m' 4I:~d br~ng ~em in.to existence, that we were safe the hon.

gentleman J;lnt I f~I.t(ljat, how-eyer much we were in danger by the did not hope, for fact that the 'hon.
gentleman had stepped upon a higher his own sake, and for the sake of the reeord that will plane and placed himself before the people of this country remain of him as a all p888 in a position that tOOK aWay one of the strongost ar~u- away, to that did Jllen\B,:W'eqoy.ld pJe~e~t ,to t.he country to j.nduce them t,) policy j but it cannot be forgotten, Sir, ,that hone gentle ~eep ,h:o.n.
'gcnt)emen oppqsite diflchargipg the important men holding high and communding po~itior:s in the perly, functions of a loyal and constitutional Opposition-I say, were ready to adopt commcl'('hd union fl."

thepoJiry of the Sir, although I felt this, I felt also that the loss to my party Liueral party.
Wo kn(Jw, Sir, 1hut com mercinl union was was more than oounterbalancedby the gain io tho coun· propounded by Mr. Wiman, a gentlomall ofgre~t ~bi)ity,a tbe world ger,t1eman of Immense pocuniary re801lrCO~, and 1 think I try,in ~e ,jflalUanf;}e ,to the o~p:i1ali~tB of telling them: You need Dot fear, yau are no longer ill would £lot be doing him a particle of injustice if I were to ~ger, there is D,O p~tyw.ith f,ee trade colors .IlaBed to add-for it is no disgrace to him-a gentleman of un ~ ~~t, you De$!
notiear thatifw,e get into power we will boulJdedambition, .New YOl,k 4~~Y~Q,Uri,1;lv,estmell1J1.

()f tho United States for many yoarH; ist@, Sir, but that body which is of more vital and greater and I congratulate him OIl his 8UCCCBS most heartily.

If importanoe than the capitalists, ,the laboring cltlss of we do lOBe a man, if a Canadian goes to the United Stalos, In informing the laboring man who had I care not in what cflpacity, I want to 8ce him ocou,py the this cOuntry.
been lilted by this policy of fostering our can oc;cupy.

from the condition of helpjes~ poverty (If But, Sir, what di,l we I"tk?

We fuulJd that gentlel1lan pro· comfort, the laboring man would no longer tremble at pared to J.laco himRelf at tbe head of tbo groat Liberul the thought of hon.

gentlemen opposite obtainin~ Ii party of Canitaa.

Wo fouud that gontleman, not only with the vanity, notwitbHtanding the great position on this Bide of the House, and discharging the ambition.
but the names and the great ability pos8eb~ed by a lurge number the administrative functioDs of the Goverllment of country, beCause they were told that all these fear8 might of gentlemen in thll.t party, to a~pire to plaoe himtlelf at their head, and dictate to tho Liberal party of Cunada what be at once and for ever thrown aside, and that the Oppo sition had shown that it .vv~s po~sible that they could lew'n should be their policy with reApect to tbe most vital and ~me~hing.Tl;leyhad shown that it,w48 ;pOB8~ble tor th~m important and momentous ieanes in this country.
WeH, at'fWif'wbenJace to face with the great throbbing pulse of Sir) it is a great advantage for a movement to have a man the public sentiment of this country, to asoertain what the of unlimited pecuniary re!

"ources R!

:l8ociated with it.


Every people of this :OOuDtr.y haddehberately resGlved upon, a body knows that in these days it is no detrimeni to a caUt:le ~'t~ the~9ple.J~~d.~qliberB,l~e~y 8tud ~a.i~ ,&':1'1 again to have men in it who have not only the will) but the affirmed,~t~e ~ue po~oy .\0 be Iwrsu~d .10 ~18 coUl;ltry.

means to put their hnnds in their poeketR to advanoe its Still, Sir, I need not tell you with what regretI learned intclest.
Mr. Wiman h~d those advaotages, IiIQd I do that .aU theae .coD8'ratulMioustnat I hadbffe£Od to hone not hesitate to bay 4e had the still g.r~~ier IldvaD gentlemen opposite, all these oongratu]ationsi.haCl oBered tage of being a man' of marked ability.

Well, Sir, what tp~~,~JilQl\~~,alJ:~9.~&O cO~l"at~~sIh@.d.

qWe~ed to this was the roasult?

Why, Sir, he soon-whether by tlome t ~,e~ ~ot t~lI 1.Qu, Sir, the human device or not, we il-re not able to fatbom-I"e ~~nt~Y,r~~~ ,l!e r~aI(Qd.
rpt_:Wi~Yi,)fhiC!J.J~~~ned of ~~i~~,not .~gain ati.a party OUTed ilie services of two leading journals of Canada, the man, because, looking at it from a p~+Y.~ftrndpoint, I,felt Gwbe newspaper and the Mail nCWl'ipaper, to advocate the thaL hone gentlemen 0ppo3ite could do uti no greater service caur'e of commercial union.

But, Sir, we foutld IIOt Oldy :.balck from, t1>.e ~.position they these two leading journds cOIDruittir'g tbem8t.
:lvcB to the l8;1lj)l¥-'ty~ to(cLll had taken, andto.t...ke back this ~eliberll:te announcement policy e,f comm('r<:ial union, but wo f<Jund one after another :roJJde.

jn i,he {llQ6t ((>r~al way to tl;leMOple ,of all Canada fi8 of the ,great ligbb of thc L1 uer~l party giving more than to;.lVllilt tl!e (~~uret.ra.de policy of hon.

gentlemen opposite countenance to that polic)".

Whore Itl iL bOW, Sir?

Wby, w9u1d be.

WeH, Sir,what was pr(>,posed?


Wby, Sir, SIr, a discovery war; IDldu, and I fe~l that a rn('od of puti~e wne'n il-at g~e&t ~.nd di8t~ngui8hed leader of the party iB owing to the hon.

momber 10r West Ul.tario (Mr, Edgar') w:~ .Q~1ig~~, by ca,llses which we _all ~eplore, to de- I be!leve he is the ma~ wbo ,beld o~t the p~v~ )~e.. :p;arlityAent.

0.r ~..#1.d...,a .9f .t,..,he,.'

gr~~.

ad.v~l,l.~.

e of I b.e:woI,l h.gh.. t to.

k~.ep..the great p:.rt.y.

wlt.h whwh he IS (;?n ~ ,~enQe.


ye ~b~ tJlat v.ef1I09J).,nO~Wlthet.J.ndw~ the necte.d from drjft~ 0.0 the rook which he .had.

the sagaoity It reus,nred notOl;l1ythecapital- indu!

:ltrie8 hi~hest and mOHt importtint pORition he and a rcsidcIlt in thi,; r~gard.

livin~ in the into one city of is is He the Sir, The found himself positi6n.

And what to p'lblio expenditure.

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1046 to see, would have consigned it to political perdition.
We mulate any system by whieh it could be carried out jf w. not oaly fonnd that hon.

~entleman becoming alive and I!l)t it to-morrow.

If they say they are ~oing to let the awake to the dan~erous direction in which his party was 1 United States Flupply Canada with everything without a driftin~, but we very 8()On found that be had influence I farthin£!'

of tariff bein~ imT>Oled on it, where is the revenue enoua;h to rescue the or~an of the Liheral party from a to come from?
The United States are perfectly able to sup 1>oliey that wnuld have undoubtedly enderi at an early day 1l1y this Muntry with everything we require, and I want to in the utter destruction of the partv.

the know in that caRe where is your revenue to come from?

that Mr. Wiman, with all But, I am not £!,oina; to waste the time of the House in dis fflsult result?

his money, with all his ability.


with all his ambition, stands cusqin~ the wilde~t chimera that was ever put before a to.davalone on the policy of commercial union, without Rensible people.

I pnt aRide the question of tbe enormous in the whole of Canada.

direct taxation that would crusb the reople of this country.

a follower, without a supporter, That, [ 'Put aside the question of imperilling the indu'ltrv, the 113 that is too capital.
the labor of tbi'l country, B8 they would be im faoe to face with the loyal British sentiment deeply rooted in the hearts of Canadians to allow them for perilJed.

I put a~ide the fact which everybody knows, one moment to adnpt s p01iOy which every man with a par- snd wbich my hon.
friend admitted, when he stood here ticle of sa~arity mast Bee would result in Canada either battlin~with heavy df'fi~its and strugglin~ to make the occupVing- the most deplorable and contemptible position revenue of this country meet the verv moderate ne8essitie8 that any free country could ever occupy, that of havin~ its of this country, the hon.

gentleman then was impelled to tariff and taxes imposed by a Goveroment with which it had pursue a very economieal and moderate course in reference say.
when he was face to face no connection, or tllking the next and inevitable step, of becoming' a partoftbat goreat country.

Brougbt face to face witb deficits.


when be, as Finance Minister of Canada, told with that loyal sentiment, which fills the brea@ts of Canadians the people of this country tbat he could not add a small to an extent a8 great as it does those of the people of any percentagoe to the duties on imports, that he could not increase the revenue to even a small extent unless he did it portion of Her Majestv's Empire, the ship was steered away, and, Sir, what f0r?
Only to eSCIrpe destrnction on the rock by direct taxation - - of ?ommerc.ial n?ion, to be s~ra~ded on the.

shoals of unre- strlcted remproClty.

There It he~ to-day, SIr, a great party, a party possessing men of the hi~hest order of talent, a If my hon.

friend says he party embracin~ a great body of the independent yeom1jQry did not say that, I will say that his memory and nine are of this country, who give it an enthusiastic Rapport.

a party not together on.

that question.


pos8essin~ e~er~ qnal~ty necessarr to lead it.

to power ex· cept fixed prlDClples, 10 accord WIth the sentiments of the country.

.

tter per aps than I do; but I understood the bon.

goentleman to say, when he waR admitting a serious and formidable defioit, that he would be glad to pl"ovi.de for .it, but tbat he did not allow me to take that back, if he supposes me to nse the kno,!
of any m~ans of further IncreasIng the revenue except expression in the sense of unprincipled.

Not at all.

What by direct taxatIon.

I say iR ~hiB, and I say it in no.

invidious ~ense-I say that the Aeekmg of powel', .the deSIre to o~taI~ pow~r for the sole purpOli~e of £"overmng a cnuntrv, In mv Judgment, the most unworthy ODe that could ever stimulate a party.

I 8ay that the obj~~t of ('\1.taining- office must be, if it is to be u.seful to the country.
inspired by the convi~tionthat the attalDment of power wIn be the means ofenabhngthe party under.

;;tood him But to carrv ont such a policy and .such principles as will pro- mote the progress and prosperIty of the country.

When I market of the United States.


speak of the want of principle, I speak of it in that sense j I speak of the want of any fixed principle that will commend to the judgment of the independent yeomanry of itself Canada a.nd inspire confidence in the party which seeks, their suffrages_ Sir RICHARD OARTWRIGHT.

Quite so.

Sir CHARLES TUPPER.

And I suppoee I have mis- independently of that what is the fact?

Why.

he knows that Caoada was then the slaughter Sir TITCH ARD CARTWRIGHT.
No, I did not say that· S· CHARLES TUPPER The hon olltleman sa s I .

Ir .

SIr RICHARD CARTWRIGHT.

No.

Sir CHA"RLES TUPPER.

He know8 that every interest SIr RIOHARD CARTWRIGHT.

Hear, hear.

Sir CHARLES TUPPER.

Sir RICHARD CARTWRIGHT.

Qllite 80.

Sir RICHARD OARTWRIGHT.

I hope my hon.

friend will Sir CHARLES TUPPER.

Sir CHARLES TUPPE.

in Cana.da was paralysed.

ml~l1n\ierstood hIm.

R A d h k n I did not say that.

e nows .

g be y IS, h I .

.

.

Sir RICHARD CARTWRIGHT.

Not a bit of it.


Sir OHARLES TUPPER.

The hon.

gentleman knOWI Mr. LA.NDERKIN.

Something like the Btanding otTer that you refer to.

that every interest in Canada-that is my opinion- Sir CHA.RLES TUPPER.

I will not occuPy the time of the House much longer, but I want to draw tho atten- tion of the House for a single moment to the 8upreme folly you saId I knew.

of a~y Canadian s~tesman t~lkiDg about unrestric~ed reci- Sir CHARLES TUPPER.

That Canada was paralysed proClty.


I put aSIde as a mmor matter the questIOn that by being made a 8laughter market for tbe United States in order to get unrestricted reciprocity you must bring the Does the hon.

~entleman want to take Canada back to 1814' people fflce to fsce with enormous direct taxation.

Tha.t I 18'15 18'16 and 187'7?

take to be admitted by tbe gentlemen opposite.

SIr ~ICHARD CARTWRIGHT.

That 18 all nght, but .

.

.

, ' J Sir RICHA.RD CARTWRIGHT.


Sbe was in a great deal better position then than she is in to-day• _Some hon.

MEMBERS.

No.

.

Sir CHARLES TUPPER.

If tbey do not, they onght to Sir CHARLES TUPPER.

Does he want to allow the admit it, for it is plainly to be seen.

No man who has yet pnormous capital, the great skill, which has made the undertaken to give daring the long debate, to which I W8R United ~t8tes to.day one of tbe foremost manufacturing sweep our younger industries.
sorry not re3d, a f,iog-Ie statement asking this country to commitIwith their smaller capital, oot of existenoo, and compel it'3 ~lf to .what I oonceive to be the mad folly of unrestricted tbe labor of this country, whioh, after all, it is our most reClpr?CIty, has ventured to put before this HOUBe or for- vital and important oo118ideratioD to keep iD our midst, to to have the pleasure of listening- but which I countries of the world, Su- CJU.B.L:l1 TUPl':lB.. ...hat M.inisters tricted offer.
tions to the freer commerci&l 1888.

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go, as it had.

to go in those dark years of Canada, down toIdIscover the distinotion between an unrestricted offer and Bost?n and New York, to do in another country the work unrestrioted reciprooity.
When as a neKotiator, when 808 requlr~d to be done in Oanada, and whioh a 8ub3equent one of Her MajeCltv'a plenipotentiaries, it beoame my duty Oanad~an Government found that Oanadians could do on to &a( ertain whethe:' the United St.ates were prepared to I have used a 8trong term; I have eaid this meet ~ half wuy or to do anything to remove the obstroc Vanadian soil?
scheme of unrestrioted reciprooity is a 10])y, a mad folly; interoourse whioh we all and I say 80 for this reason: thatifevery man in this Hoose desire, when I was in that position, I put an unrestricted W&a of opinion that Canada should commit suicide-as it offer before them oertainly, but did I say anything about would dooy adopting unrestricted reciprooity-lsay if that unrestrioted reoiprocity?

What was that offer?


Did it was the position of every man of both sides of the House, commit me to anything exoept that I was prepared to we would have no more ohance of obtaining unrestrioted negotiate in regard to the question of freer oommeroial in.. reciprocity with the United States than we would have torcourse?
The bon gentleman said, you made an unres· of diotating to the Imperial Parliament I said I did, and I did so deliberately, because I can scarcely find any if the statesmen of the United States were prepared to offer should advise Her Majesty.

simile or language that would show the utter futility of us unrestricted reciprocitl' I wanted to know it, but I was adopting Buoh a polioy.

This 8ubject has been disoussed not oommitted to it.
said that I was prepluod to now for many months, it has been put forth in the moat negotiate the settlement of the fisheries, difficulty on the captivating form by the ablest men on the opposite side of balolis of freer commercial intercour"e, but I ask any hone the House, both in this House and abroad through the ooun· ~entleman on the other side if I would not have bad a per try, and they have found papers so wanting in information fect answer to any proposition, either the pro· and so blindly subservient to party influences as to advooate posal did not go far enough or that it went too far.
their scheme-.and what ~aa been the result ~ Why, point Mr. MACKENZIE.

You made an offer but you did not me ~o a paper In the.

U Dlted States, rep~bhcan or.

demo· moan it.

crabe-Bhow me a s1Dgle paper possessIng the shgbtest Sir CHARLES TU ~P.ER..

The hone gentleman 8ays influence in that country that would ever give support to a scheme whioh would take away the barriers between the that I made an offer whICh 1 dId not mean.
That would be trade of Canada and the trade of the United States and a very mean thing to do.

think my bon.

friend cannot leave Canada free to admit the produots of England ~ mean that.

1 made an offer in a broad and comprehensive form, meaning exactly what I said, that I was prepared SIr RICHARD CARTWRIGHT.

Oertainly not.
Oertainly not.

or that the British plenipotentiaries, who authorised me to Sir OHARLES TUPPER-and the other parts of the make the offer, were prepared to negotiate the settlement of the fisheries question upon tbe basis of greater freedom world.

of intercourse between the UDlted States and Oanada i .

SIr ~ICHARl?

CA~rWRIGHT.

That IS what you call but did that commit me to unrestricted reciprocity?

I Was asking for wbat every public man in this country, every I say you will search in vain.
man on both sides of thi" House, has endeavored to obtain nnrestncted reOlproOlty.

that I .

.

.

. '

' I dare say.

and has aBked for over and over again.

Sir CHARLES TOPPER.

Sir RIOHARD OARTWRIGHT.

Sir CHARLES TUPPER.

You will find no man in Mr. MACKENZIE.

If they accepted your offer, would intercourse, I dare say not.

Sir CHARLES TUPPER.

No, that.

neIther ~n the Senate, nor Congress who will support suoh a scheme.

Mr.

Butter.

not that have committed you?


worth~ in his Bill, prOVides tha:nothing.

b~al1 be done until it would not have there 18 an arrangement by whIch all thIS.

IS to be ~an8ged.

committed me to unrestricted reciprocity.
tell my I In these vague terms, he ~eeks.to get over the dl~culty, hone friend, as I have already e.x plai ned, that, if they In the had accepted the offer and had said: Yes, we will but he knows Hou~e of Representatives, nor In the press, nor among the settle this question on terms of greater freedom of pubhc men or stat08~en.of that great cOD.n.try, could you commercial llDd had then said: We ure find a man OOC~PYlDg lDfluence or pOSItIOn who wo?ld prepared to negotiate in regard to those terms, and had dare to stand up In that country and propound .the polley al!ked: What greater freedom do you wish?
I would have that Canada should haye free trade WIth the UDlted Sta.tes, formulated the greater freedom which we desire and would a~d make as Iowa tariff as she pleased at the same bme have put a diatinct statement before them.

Then I would have been bound to formulate my policy and to 8ay bow WIth England.

Sir RICHARD OARTWRIGHT.

required them far Sir CHARLES TUPPER.

That is the .reason why, in to go in order to negotiate t.he question on that basis.
If I had t~ take up more time to teac~ hone gentle my judgment, I am not using too strong a term, when I say that a madder act of folly for a party to commit itself men t~e dl1rer~nce.

between an unrestr!cted offer a~d to could not be discovered, if they offered a premium to unrestrICted reCiprOCIty, 1 shoul~ despaIr, a~d I w111 Import~nt.

any person to discover it.


Yesterday these hone gentlemen save my stood face to face with the people of Canada with a policy ~hen yve took up th.18 9.ue!ltlOn ot fosterlDg our ~atlve that everybody understood.

Yesterday they stood taoe to JDdustrIe8,.

many partI~s In England attacked me In .re.


face with the people of Canada declaring that they had ference to It, and asked .. What do you m~an by tUfn!ng learnt something by their long term in Opposition, and your back .upon tho EnglIsh ~ree tr~e poltoy ~n~ taklDg If ~ou were prepared, if entrusted with power, to protect labor and the capital and the industry of the country.

w~r~ placed I~ our pOSItIOn, ~lth.


a pOJ?u~atlon of five To-day they have e8caped sudden destruction on the rook mtlho~8 along81de.

of .a coun~ry wI~b.

Bl.xty mtlhons of peo~le, of commercial union only to be stranded on the shoals of and With only tiD Invu:nble hue divIdmg the t'.

"o countrIes, unrestricted reciprocity.

1 saId.

to them, that DO CanadIan states Mr. PATImSON (Brant).
You were very neaf there men can formulate a fiscal policy for this country with.. out having regard to the policy of the great natioD to that it was of the the south of U8; and I said further was very near there myself.

1 am pUBled to know what greatest interest to Canada to have the freest intercourse IOrt ofa mental or~ani8&tiona man muat po8H8Iwho OIDDO~ I pollible with them, couiatent with safe-guardi.Dg the belt you would under~tand .what we moan.

as I have stated In th~s House, Sir CHARLES TUPPER.
The hone gentleman says I the up the Umted.

States pr~~tlve polIcy?

I was prepared to go or how far I 8om~thID~ mo!

'e I s~ld.

yoursclf.

breath f~r Sir QUaI·.

Turna.

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of check that the progress, forget fostering the United States and the article with a lower unward policy which was on our the industries to the manufacturer cheaper, enables yOll abd highest the people of interests and institutioD8 of Oanada.

Now, what do you find?


You find the republi ..ap.ro~ec, c~n par~y of the Unitod States ~tandiDg firm?bl tlve pohcy, you find them standmg by a' pbhcy cit' high protection for American industric!l.

That is their policy.

Do you find any free trade party in that country?

If you think there is any such party, read Mr. Mills' Bill, and that the viewd of the administration i8 the exposition of the great democratic of party.

Do you find any free trade in that Bill?


I have shown that he proposes the enormous reduction on all the iron industrie8 of the United States from 43t per cent.

to is the free trade prop0toied under Mr. 41 per cent.

That Mills' Bill.

He proposos, it is true, what is also our policy, to make raw materials and natural products free, but that is alBO a prot~ctive policy.
Everything that makes the the raw living of the artisan cheaper and furnishes material to raiBe the same revenue and at the same time to pro tect tariff.
There you have the great statesmen of that country, who have been able to excite the admiration of the civilised world by the high condition of prosperity and progress into which they have brought their country; you have republican and democrat uOlted in demanding and maintaining a system of'pi"otection for the capital, for the industries, and for the la.bor ot the people ofthe United b tatcs.

Thi8 i8 their position, and, it i,s ours.
1 do not intend to weary tho House With any farther remarks, except to say that, although 1 have had the unpleasant duty to perform-and I hope my hon.. friend from South Oxtord (:Sir Richard Cartwright) will not press me too hard on that ground-of showing that we have had a little he must Dot adopted of 80 strengthened the hands of the Government and of Parlia ment, 80 filled the treasury of the country, as to enable us to construct public works of the most gigantic extent, and of the most undoubted importance to every section of this these country; he must not forget that Canada has built great pnblic works-snd not only one side but both sidetl of t.he House have been cODcerned in that, because jiOn.
gen tlemen opposite completed the IntercotonialHailway, as far as it can be said, 1 suppose, ever to be completed-from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and the people of Canada have found the maaDl:!

to construct olie of tho most gigantic works that any five miHiolH'l of people in allY part of the world have ever been able to COul:lLruct, and yet oilr credit stands to-day at the highest pain t ever I'aached.
We have found meims to stimulate the various interests of the country, we have jound means to promote every industry except lumber) which, 1 hope, in a very hhOl't tIme is going to have itlf iDl~­ ings, under the Bill which.

I am at present laying on the Table.

We have a country vas't in extent, illimitable in re sOurces, whether by sea or land; we have inexhaustible riches in the seas wnich surround UB, and they arlJ in our own hands to develop them.
We have a mercantile marine which would be the pride t\I1d admiration of any country, and which is only burpassed by that orfour nations in the world.

Sir, 11'emember tho hone gentleman opposite, on one OJ: two occasions, endea.vori(Jg to cover me With ridicule because I made a calculation ot how much wheat could be grown in the .North-West by 100,000 farmers, cultivating 3~O acres of land eacil, with a yIeld ot 20 bUEhcl8 to the acre.

'Vh~lt dOes he say now?


Will he J'(~peat that to-Jay when we have the 1~cts bOi0l'o U8, tha.t 10,UOO 1armers III Manitoba atidthe North-West of this counlry, have produced from l~,()()O,OOO to 16,000,000 bushels during the past year?

Sir, the abnormal difficulties that were experienced there, theinexperlence of the country by the new men who went hito, it,and a variety of ()the.r difficulties" have ditlap~re'd, aa<f!8G far .ast.he developtnent of that oountry is OODcern«1, country this of Sir OBAB.L.
T'gP1»D.

we are now entering upon a ~reer of ra~llr adV~~!~et# that I believe will, at an early day, give~s Dil1cJ:l 8!~~ 8urpl"ises than that which is ~t this ~omeD,~ 0OOtIfyip'~t!
(~~ attention of th oughtful a~cnlturlsts ovel" .. thO' ~iiT1i:~~ t world, that is, a country produQillg50,~deven 60' b~h~ to the acre, upon the average; over large fa:tJIUJ~ J do'~; mesn to say that is the avetage in the:c01IDt~tt b~t ~'lIidI£D.~ to 8ay that, on a Dumber of .large agrtcultut61 h~ldlngr(~' the North· West, when the gl"ain W88 threshed oo;itm~a; sured from 5U to 60 bushels per acre, c?veri~g·th~:Wllole,ft!

'P1 on the farm.

Hon.


gentlem:~n Opposlte, ":111 be a8 ~laa &f!I, will be if that statement'tnrns oot'to'bome•.

Ifay;~dlSt the circumstances, what has canada to be afrai(lof,ifwf have accomplished all this, if we have brotr2ht OQtcolI'Dtry to the position wnicb she occupies to-day?

There.
There.

,i.s'no· this House who does not know that bOth in: member of England and the United States Canada is beginning'~' attraot an amount of attention that a few yearssgo the JIlOlJl of us would have bAlieved it impossible to att~in.

I'say, Sir, what have we to be afraid of, with a'h8irdy,enterpri~~, ing and intelligent population, with men wht,ni~n ,ft*, maD, are ready, in a fair field, to enter intocompe'titi01rwi~ft, the men of any other country in the w6rld-with' s'.
fair field, not handicapped mind you, .but with.

a fair fi;elCl--:-I say, what have we to be afraid of?

Sir, we hav~ tJ?~' most abundant evidence that it is' only neoessary fO!'

us to have confidence in oursel'ves, and to deVote our tB8k of' 8el~es unsparingly in the future to the great' developing the inexhausti~le, resour9etJ of.

.tltis, ,~unt!'Y.

Then, with a great population, whenever ,the tilD;ecomes that, as han.
gentlemen opposite seem to think', we ought, to have the management of these matters entirely in our own hands, we shall be able to enter, upon even terms, into negotiations with other countries faT the I Bal,.

Sir, that extension of our commer~ial relatioJl8.

we not only have the advantage of this' great domain, w~th its inexhaustible resources, but we have over usthe fiagof the mightest empire in the ;world, and under.
its mgis we can go forth with greater confidence than a:ny ma~ can possess, representing a community of only five mU lions of people, we can go forth knowing.

,that in the remotest section of the world that fiag is waving over our heads, that there are behind us an army, a navy, ..nd & moral force of a great empire that will give CaJl!tda all the prote~tion that she, can desir~.Sir, under these circumstances, to throwaway Q\Jr birthright ,tor ~, metis.
of potage, to go l09king for comm.~rci~reciprocHy· w.lth a foreign countrJ'~6ve,ri if we'coul<t ob.tain it, lsay a pol~QY of that kind would be, iq ,my opipiop, .to .mue.

_qe {()rg~t what canadia.ns n.ev..er will f .org..et, .t.. he... gr...atitu.4~.

t.9.~e._.1.

.QW'.._.'

to the great empire of whioh ~e fo~m ap"rt..an( t~ ~u~Y' of building up on this northetifportioD'oftlie '6Obtf11'&iWof America, a power to which every Oimatliall will' {eM' prOUd to belong.

Sir RIOHARD CARTWRIGHT.


Mr. Spe1lker Some 'hone MEMBERS.

Six' o'clock.

Sir JOHN A. MACDONA.LD.

Call it Bi:t o'eloek.

Sir RICHARD CABTWRIGHT.

Perhaps it would be as weH, bat I wish to say one or two words to.

the hone gentleman.

I regret extremely, for his ~nvn sake, that h~ was not preseotdaring the reciprocity debato.

It would bave interestAd us all to have heard w~at he had to say theD.
Had he been present then, he never ~ottldbave talked the intolelabie rubbish he has done to-night about un~str~cted reciprocity.

Hat I agree' with him.

that it ls' norpo~~bl~ just now to enter into a disclls<sion of.tJla~ su~jec~ and'sO, as the hot1~ MiniB~r hfie s1Ulgest4;(f, I 'W111 cGlit'six:'o·clOOk.

It beillg-BiX' o'Ctdck;-m8'~errtlie'c",